HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Subject: Re: Malcom the Tenth
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:06:28 GMT

In <1992Nov21.230642.13941@seq.uncwil.edu> session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:

>grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:

>>Actually, my opinion of Lee is drawn entirely from his movies and from the
>>comments he has made in the press.  I'll agree that Helms has him beat in
>>terms of actual racist action taken, but not in terms of racist opinion
>>espoused.

>Then that's your problem. You need to listen to a real live interview
>with HIM and not reports of whayt he has said which you heard from
>the media. Remember when the press said that he thought students
>should cut class and go see his movie Malcomn X? Well, turns out he
>never said that. He was referring to a scenario where students go
>to see the movie as part of a school function. He himself as a high
>school student was taken to see movies in that manner.

First of all, as I said before, I base my opinion of Lee on comments that
*he* has made in the media, not that the media has made about him.  I have
seen interviews with him; I have seen him speak on television; I have read
columns that he has written; and I have seen some of his movies.

Second of all, I read a quote in Newsweek by the wife of the late Malcolm
X, in which she chided Spike Lee for suggesting that black children skip
school to see his movie.  If, as you claim, he never suggested that, I'm
not the only one who was misinformed.  What's your source?

>>Lee is, by his own admission, a racial separatist.  He thinks that inter-
>>racial marriages are a mistake for several reasons, one of which is that
>>it would weaken black strength.  He believes that AIDS is a government
>>engineered disease designed to destroy undesirables (implicity, blacks).
>>Lee made racist caricatures of Jews in his film "Mo' Better Blues".
>>Those are only a few examples.

>I just saw an interview with Spike Lee on Larry King Live. He didn't
>mention any of those things. I have heard other so-called black leaders
>make such claims, but never Spike. I didn't see Mo' Better Blues
>so I don't know if it contained racists views of Jews, but I never heard
>it mentioned in the press anywhere and I read and watch a lot of news.

Well, if you'd like, I can give you some direct excerpts.

Xref: sparky alt.rush-limbaugh:10343 or.politics:711
From: chamberk@ucs.orst.edu (Kevin Chambers)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,or.politics
Subject: Re: Homosexual marriage (was: The Difference Between Cs and Ls)
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:04:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: gaia.1es9jrINNf7v
Distribution: na
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
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In article <1130@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
>In article <BwvFLt.E6w@news.orst.edu> chamberk@ucs.orst.edu
>(Kevin Chambers) writes:
>>So yes, society has an obligation to support those who raise children.  
>>**ALL** people who raise children.  That includes gay and lesbian couples
>>who are taking on the immense responsiblity of parenting.
>
>No, no, no.  Society has no such obligation.  I said that it is in
>society's interest to promote and encourage that children are raised in
>a good environment.  If you can show that in general, homosexual
>couples raise children as well as their actual parents would, then you
>would have a case.  The evidence I've seen suggests kids are best off
>with both of their natural parents.  Therefore, it is in society's
>interest to promote that relationship, and no other.
>
You're making a big jump when you say that children would be much better off
in only heterosexual, natural-parent families.  Whether you call it an 
"interest" or whether I call it an obligation, society runs much better with
children who are well supported, well loved, and allowed to be who they are.
That can happen in a gay/lesbian family as much as a straight one.  I don't
buy this business that kids are best off with their natural parents--I want
to see direct references to any evidence that gay families are unhealthy.
As for the one that I know of personally, the family is much better off
than when the abusive "natural" father in the house.

As far as parenting goes, what I've read is that the best situation is one
with multiple familes living together sharing in the duties of parenting.
The nuclear family, when you get right down to it, is nothing but a nice
little consumer unit, not the best situation for parents OR children.
Children need adults around them who are alert, attentive, and loving; and
the working parents I know are so wiped out at the end of the day they 
precious little to give to their children.  How much a person can love a 
child has NOTHING to do with whether they are gay, lesbian, or straight.
I think this whole business about not supporting gay marriages has a whole
lot more to do with fear that those crazy homosexuals are going to corrupt
our children and the rest of sociy ththan with REALLY supporting children.
It sounds like what you really want is to slow down gays and lesbians being open
and free with who they are.  When you provide economic privileges only to
straights in respect to marriages, that's what effectivley happens.
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Malcom the Tenth
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:46:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:
: 
: You are correct. Lee is not a racist on the same level with Helms. But
: Malcolm X was. We can thank (?) Lee for not bringing that racist attitude
: into the 90s with his film.     

Malcolm was a racist at one point, undoubtedly.  However, it's
silly to equate his racism with that of Jesse Helms; the latter's
racism is based on unthinking dogmatism and unwarrented feelings of
superiority, while the former's was based on experience.  Not that
that justifies anything, but the two viewpoints are not the same.
At any rate, by the time of his death Malcolm had rejected racism,
as you would know if you knew anything about the man at all.  I 
suggest that you read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" and pay 
attention to what the man had to say before forming opinions of
him.

Bill     
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Subject: Re: Malcom the Tenth
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:23:57 GMT

In <1992Nov21.061433.8332@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

>In article <grendel.722306819@camelot> grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:
>>In <1992Nov17.162322.24709@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>
>>>Has anyone seen Malcom the Tenth yet?  Is it worthwhile for a 
>>>conservative to see?  Is it at all like Spike's other glorious 
>>>work `Do The Right Thing?'  After watching that movie, I still 
>>>did not know what the hell `the right thing' was.
>>
>>The right thing, of course, is to destroy the businesses of people who call
>>the police on customers who harass them in the event that the police kill
>>one of the customers, and to then ask for money from the person whose
>>business you have destroyed.

>HUH?

Sorry.  I should have been clearer.  In "Do the Right Thing", an Italian
store owner calls the police because a black youth is disrupting his
business with loud music.  The police come and beat the youth so severely
that he dies.  The angry blacks in the neighborhood riot, led by Mookie
(Spike Lee), who throws a garbage can through the window.  The next day,
Mookie comes by the destroyed restaurant and asks the store owner for
his wages.  The store owner gives him his wages.  That's the right thing
that Spike Lee advocates.

>>
>>Spike Lee is a racist on a level with Jesse Helms.

>Why, you must be some kind of insensitive racist.  Don't you understand 
>that Spike has been genetically descriminated against.  You know...his 
>ancestors were so discriminated against that it got into their genes.  

Yes, I saw the obligatory smiley, and no, this still isn't funny.  The
only thing I hate more than racism is hypocritical racism.  I hate black
people who say that there are no black racists.  I hate white people who
make racist statements about blacks in return, out of some twisted idea
of "equal opportunity".  It's all bullshit, and I find fault with anyone
who can't see that, black or white.


Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: Chelsea insult, apology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:36:24 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Nov17.230140.18099@tellab5.tellabs.com> linda@tellabs.com (Linda Jensen) writes:
>
>
>
>	RE: the alleged 'mistake' where photos of Celsea Clinton
>	and Millie the dog were switched...
>
>	Isn't that show taped?  So couldn't the 'mistake' have
>	been corrected before air time?  Didn't those involved in
>	the show recognize tastelessness and cruelty?
>
>	Nice  apology that followed.  The 'audience' gaffawing 
>	and giggling as Rush explains how 'Chelsea Clinton can't 
>	help what she looks like'.  Nice guy. Nice audience.  Nice
>	show.
>
>	Rush is not only willing to pick on a little girl, but
>	then doesn't even have gonads to stand up to what he did.
>	Instead, he offers up some very lame backpeddling.  Gutless
>	bully in my book......
>
>	

I am a fan of Rush but I'll admit that his personal attacks and name calling
are beginning to turn me off.  On the other hand, we can forgive Ted Kennedy
for murder, we can forgive Marion Barry for drug abuse, we can forgive Bill
Clinton for draft dodging, we can forgive David Dinkins for racism and
anti-semitism.  Why can't we forgive Rush a few peccadilloes.  Oh, I forgot.
He's a conservative Republican.


===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

===============================================================================
"If an aging America ever begins to lose its short-term memory, it will really
 be in trouble - because that's the only kind of memory this country seems to
 have.  There's a perpetual tendency to believe that whatever is going on at
 this particular moment is absolutely unique in human history, but will,
 paradoxically, continue now into the indefinite future.  Both assumptions are
 certain to be wrong, but meanwhile they have sent a passel of chickens
 scuttling hysterically around the U.S. barnyard."
  
                                                  Louis Rukeyser - 1992

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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: francis@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Demierre F.,85L2,x3503)
Subject: Re: Printing from within an Xview program
Reply-To: francis@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:39:49 GMT

In article 6216@ericsson.se, etljmme@etlxd10h.etlxd (jim moore xd/nda) writes:
>I must admit, despite the warning in the XView documentation, I have been using
>system calls in my Xview apps. (quite extensively in some).  I have _never_ had
>any problems doing this although this may be just luck.  My suggestion: go for it!
>
>Good luck, Jim
>

Hi, 

a little comment for this..

I also use system() calls in my Xview applications but it can lead to 
problems:

  1. While system(whatsoever) is running, refreshes will not be done. If
     the whatsoever command takes a long time to complete and the user covers
     and uncovers the window, it does not get refreshed.

  2. If your application is supposed to allow other things to happend (i.e: 
     several frames with action buttons) while the first action is carried 
     out, the pressed button (for example) will not react before the system()
     call returns.

My conclusion is that it is OK to use system() if the shell command is fast 
to complete. An lpr command falls into this category.

Another way, if you do not bother about messages and results can also be to do
"system(" something 1>/dev/null 2>&1 &")  not very smart, I know ;-)


Francis

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From: fisher@inls1.ucsd.edu (Yuval Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Using a mouse event to exit a routine
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:30:50 GMT
Organization: Institute for Nonlinear Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: inls1.ucsd.edu

This must be a common problem, but I haven't been able to 
find a nice solution. I want a subroutine to run (drawing a
fractal, say) until I hit the mouse button, at which point
it stops and exits. 

I've managed to do this with the fullscreen package, but then 
I can't use other windows (in other programs) while the subroutine is active.

I've managed to to this with read_next_event, but then a click on 
some other button in my application causes everything to hang; the 
proper event never seems to come through. 


I'd appreciate any and all help, thanks..

Yuval Fisher

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From: rickg@eng.sun.com (Richard M. Goldstein)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: File Saver
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:47:38 GMT
Reply-To: rickg@eng.sun.com
Organization: SunSoft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irondude
In-reply-to: vdp@mayo.edu's message of Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:21:45 GMT


   Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
   From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt)
   Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN
   Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:21:45 GMT


   This file saver is a part of the libraries supplied with DevGuide. In fact Sun gives the
   source code of it along with the DevGuide software.  If you can get DevGuide, then you
   can get the source code and manuals explaining these functions.
   In my communication with some Sun people on net, only reason that FileChooser,
   ColorChooser and other such utlities of DevGuide
   not being with XView 3.0 distribution is that DevGuide people have to design the code
   after XView code has been frozen for distribution. 
   From the nettalk, it seems these DevGuide FileChooser/ColorChooser etc codes will
   be distributed in future XView releases.


as announced in the SunSoft toolkit directions posting,
a future release of XView will contain a File Chooser object.
this is, however, a true XView object and bears little (ok,
i coped a bit of code) relationship to the one currently shipped
in DevGuide.  it implements an all new HI Specification and
has undergone multiple rounds of user testing -- so it has an
all new look and feel.


<<tank

--

*********************************************************************

	Richard M. "Tank" Goldstein		rickg@Eng.Sun.COM
	Window Developer Environment,
	SunSoft, Inc.

	"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind
	of person I'm preaching to"

				-"Bob" in Newsweek

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From: johnc@murray.bu.edu (John Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: Problems with XV_KEY_DATA
Keywords: XV_KEY_DATA, XImage
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:20:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In my last posting, please ignore the local variables which don't seem
to be used for anything.  They were used for other things before I trimmed
the code down.

-jc.

Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: arthum@nuge110.its.rpi.edu (Michael Rene Arthur)
Subject: DevGuide FAQ
Keywords: faq, devguide, xview
Reply-To: arthum@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:35:54 GMT

Is there a DevGuide FAQ anywhere on the Internet?
From: sdl@cs.bham.ac.uk (Simon D Levitt)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Panel_list Size
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:13:20 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

I'm creating a Panel_list that I would like to be the size of the 
panel that it is in. I have managed to get this working in the X 
direction using a PANEL_LIST_WIDTH of -1, but PANEL_LIST_HEIGHT is
not defined, even though it is mentioned in the documentation I have!

Can anyone help me... Is there a PANEL_ATTR number for the height that
has not been defined in the header file?, or is there another way to 
do this?

Thanx in advance for any help.

Simon.,
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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview,comp.windows.x
From: moeri@iam.unibe.ch (Daniel Moeri)
Subject: Disable 'Quit'
Reply-To: moeri@iam.unibe.ch
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Berne, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:51:24 GMT

Hello, 
I'm using Sun OpenWindows v3 and Devguide 3.0 and I want to disable to 'quit' option
of a window which is called by my main window.

As I know it's not possible to disable the 'quit' (so it looks 'greyish'). Therefore, I tried
with the XChangeProperty:
protocol = XInternAtom(display, "WM_PROTOCOLS", False);
delete = XInternAtom(display, "WM_DELETE_WINDOW", False);
if ((protocol != None) && (delete != None))
  XChangeProperty(display, win, protocol, XA_ATOM, 32, PropModePrepend,
    (unsigned char *)&delete, 1);

What makes me confused is the fact that this works if the window is created with
the XCreateWindow but not if it's created via devguide!

Another tiny question:
If I make a connection (->devguide) from a button of the main_window to show the
window, I get everything as expected with the test-mode of devguide (the window
is made visible). But there's no source produced from devguide! (The correct statement
is produced if a make a connection from a button to a popup)
Is this a bug of devguide?

Thanks in advance,
Daniel
From: flong@cse.ucsc.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: need help with keybaord focus on canvas
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:07:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ucsc.edu


I'm having trouble getting keyboard focus on a canvas.  I consume
ASCII, WINENTER, and KBD_USE events, but it seems the only consistent
way to get ASCII events in a canvas is to click first.  I need to catch
ASCII events all the time, not just after a click-select.  So what I
tried was interposing an event function to try to set the input focus
after a LOC_WINENTER.  Neither xv_set(..., WIN_SET_FOCUS,..) nor
xv_set(..., WIN_KBD_FOCUS,...) seem to work.  win_set_kbd_focus() *does*
work, but the window manager seems intent on sending a KBD_DONE as
soon as the KBD_USE arrives.  If I change OpenWindows.SetInput in
.Xdefaults to "select" instead of "followmouse" then the window
manager seems to leave things alone, but I really want something that
will work no matter how .Xdefaults is set up.  It seems silly that
the window manager vetoes my request for input focus on a canvas; it
works fine on panels.  Anybody have any ideas? Please send email to
flong@cse.ucsc.edu. Basically I just need to see all keyboard (ASCII)
events, no matter where the mouse pointer is.

Also, I am using notify_dispatch() instead of xv_main_loop() and when
I try to "Quit" from the main frame menu, it gets rid of my windows on
the screen, but it doesn't seem to destroy anything, and notify_dispatch
keeps trudging along returning NOTIFY_OK....

All these things worked great in SunView, but I'm having trouble converting
to XView.  Any help with these problems would be appreciated.

FL

Xref: sparky alt.toolkits.xview:1074 comp.windows.open-look:4577 comp.windows.x:19329
From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview,comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: japanese compilation: undefined symbols
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp
Followup-To: alt.toolkits.xview
Organization: Personal Media Corp., Tokyo Japan
In-reply-to: carl@crazyman.med.ge.com's message of 18 Nov 92 17:27:59 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.172813.7096@mr.med.ge.com> carl@crazyman.med.ge.com (Carl Crawford) writes:

   i have a xview program that runs correctly under openwindows v3 in 
   the usa. when it is compiled on a machine in japan the 
   following symbols are undefined:

       cc -02 -I/usr/openwin/include   -target sun4 main.o driver.o ......
       Undefined
       _cm_close
       _cm_put
       _cm_open
       __des_crypt

   why won't the code load in japan?


I suspect that your Japanese machine uses JLE (Japanese Language
Environment) from  Nihon SunMicrosystems.

[] If that is the case, from what I have read in RTFM, I think you probably
need to link the following libraries to make sure cm_close, cm_put,
cm_open will be linked in.
         -lpixrect  -lxview  -lolgx  -lX11  -lmle -lm

[] Now, as for __des_crypt, are your trying to link the program using
-Bstatic (i.e., trying to link the program in static fashion)?  Some
versions of the JLE have pretty fucked up static libraries (*.a) or so
it seems.
	When Dept. of Commerce (or some such agency) banned the
exporting of software that works with DES encryption/decryption
hardware (correct me if I am wrong on this matter), Sun tried to
comply by reorganizing the EXPORT versions of library. Their shared
libraries seem to be OK.  But the static version is fucked up beyond
repair.  I believe this is unrelated to JLE, but EXPORT version in
general. I remember seeing Canadian users posted similar problems long
time ago. Maybe there is a patch or something.

If you don't need to use Japanese on your Japanese machine (which I
gravely doubt), remove JLE or re-install SunOS with untouched
libraries. Again, RTFM will help.

 Chiaki Ishikawa,  Personal Media Corp.,  MY Bldg, 1-7-7 Hiratsuka,
 Shinagawa, Tokyo 142, JAPAN. FAX:+81-3-5702-0359, Phone:+81-3-5702-0351
 UUNET: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp
From: mnl10@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.N. Landauer)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Stupid XView canvas question
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:23:57 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

Can anyone help me?

This is probably a really stupid question - 
  How do I get XView to repaint a canvas without explicitly calling the repaint
procedure which has all those horrible parameters? Unfortunately, I don't have
the manuals you see. 

Thanks in advance,

Matthew Landauer
Cavendish Lab
Madingley Road
Cambridge
England
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From: jwh@mother.sodor (James "Oolon Colluphid" Hawtin)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: File Saver
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:11:05 GMT
Reply-To: jwh@mother.sodor
Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, UK

There is a file saver sub window for xview I saw this used on xvnews. This is written by sun but is usable in any program does anyone know where I can obtain the toolkit this is in. + any docs on how to use it ..... I have the source for xvnews but this of course does not explain how to use the file saver......


		Thanks

				James.
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview