HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: storner@diku.dk (Henrik St|rner)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: starting new threads
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:48:54 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:

>If you're still reading this and haven't reached for the flamethrower, and
>you want to know how to properly start a new thread, here's how you start
>a new thread correctly from within rn or trn (those are the only two
>newsreaders I've used... from the tin flame war on news.software.readers I
>gather Tim Pierce is our resident tin guru... anyone use nn or something
>else?).

Using nn: Enter ':post' (without the quotes, of course). You'll be prompted
for the rest of the necessary info.

--
Henrik Storner (storne@olivetti.dk / storner@diku.dk)
Tech. Support
Olivetti Denmark
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:18:04 GMT

In article <1gt9erINNm57@mizar.usc.edu> hbaldwin@mizar.usc.edu (Harry Baldwin)
writes:
>Andre Gide: The Immoralist
>Henry James: The Turn of the Screw (no sniggering in the back please). The
>             Pupil (short story)

Also try "Beast in the Jungle."  Read as a story with gay themes, it's
_very_ interesting.

>Shakespeare: Richard II

And the sonnets.

--Don
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Miracle cure for homophobic states
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec30.175709.13321@bsu-ucs>, d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
|> Big Brother is queer,

Well, that explains why he is watching me...


FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: 60 Minutes, "Gay Cops" segment
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 13:12:47 GMT

In article <1hqu6bINNgvg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton) writes:
>60 MINUTES: ABOUT TIME
>Praise segment producer Lowell Bergman ("Gay Cops") at the same
>address.

I have an additional bone to pick with these people... as we have
discussed in soc.motss before, a lots of us were in front of the TV
waiting for Mike Wallace (standing beneath the FBI sign and talking
about the FBI's discriminatory activities) to bring up the hyprocasy
of the FBI during the J. Edger Hoover and Clyde Tolson era... they
show guys in drag and leather but don't even want to address this.  
Oh well, at least Oliver Stone did :)

-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free"   |CO made a #2 no-no... PU!          |
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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "cures" for homosexuality
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:42:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto

In article <72338@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Ken Dykes writes:
>I have dibs on the space immediately preceeding or following
>Ken.  This way, I could be amused while waiting.  ;-{)##]
>
>>oh, but i forget about cliff's feelings about this,
>>  cliff,
>>   would you prefer to be kidnapped singley, or en-group ?-)
>
>I'm hoping for en-group.  To quote from BRit25thC, "Think of the
>*permutations*!"

I recommend testing the permutations of the waiting line first, then
adding Cliff and repeating the process.  Since repeatability is the
soul of good science, we'll have to do this several times in succession
to confirm objectively that the process and resulting fun is valid.

And Barbie says math is tough!

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:30:40 GMT

tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:

>buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>| A broader question, do all 9 cities that are boycotting Colorado have
>| gay rights ordinances? I would presume YES.

>No. Atlanta, for one, does not. I heard the head of the Colorado
>Tourist Board (who has an obvious agenda here) complaining that
>it was awfully smug and hypocritical for Atlanta to be boycotting
>Colorado when Denver, Boulder, Aspen all had enacted anti-
>discrimination ordnances while Atlanta never has. 

Hmm, well then the obvious question is WHY NOT? Atlanta has one of the
largest gay populations in the country. Are they politically active?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
0.5% of all homosexual marriages in Denmark end in divorce. [O.C. _Blade_]
From: Cread@Fwva.Saic.Com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Minor Crises was(long-term relationships)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:26:06 GMT
	<1992Dec29.190012.13298@bsu-ucs>
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
>In article <29DEC92.16572481@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> In a previous article, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) wrote:
>>>It's been my observation that there are four 'crisis periods' in a 
>>>relationship...
>> 
>> I guess this means you haven't reached the "What?  You want to have sex
>> again?  I'm too tired.  Didn't we just do it last month?" phase yet.
>> 
>
>Ha! So true....
>
>I fell out of my chair laughing at this (all-too-familiar) scenario.
>
>Hopefully both parters go through this phase close to the same time.
>
>David Speakman
 
And we go on VACATION to have sex. . .
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Please forgive me, again.
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:15:22 GMT


as jess has so kindly pointed out to me in email,
complaining about cramer in soc.motss, ranks high
on the national stoopids meter.

chaulk it up to my forgetting cramer was still
wandering around, it was a late night, I
was let loose with a new version of NNTP
and playing around in alt.sex....

I was not on my leash,
The Object Of My Affection is Not Present,
I had a lousy Xmass shutdown Season,
solar Flairs,
SatanicKultRitualIsm
BrainDeath
Personal Loyalty to the USMC

{ was I suppose to list them in any particular order? }

ciao
drieux


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Modern Day Problems:

This is Not a .sigfile addendum to the Post.
You are just reading beyond the edge.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:48:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.114640.15059@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>  >No such luck, Cobra Woman.  Prepare to pay.
> 
> Mara [Cobra Woman?  You gotta be kidding.]

Kidding? Greg?
From: nomad@network.ucsd.edu (Lee Damon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Can someone please tell me good things about Savanah, GA?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:58:16 -0800
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: network.ucsd.edu

It looks like the best offer I'm going to get is from Gulfstream Aerospace
in Savanah, GA. For reasons I don't want to go into here, I think I'll
be accepting it soon.

I would dearly love to know anything good about the area I'll probably
be calling "home" soon.  Places to go, people to look up, etc.

Savanah is 4 hrs from Atlanta, which is just a bit too far for convienience.

Any info would be greatly appreciated

ADVthanksANCE
nomad
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                                         - Lee "nomad" Damon -         \
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@ibeam.ht.intel.com (Joe Bonasera)
Subject: Lesbian and Gay Bands in the news...
Reply-To: joe@ibeam.ht.intel.com (Joe Bonasera)
Organization: Multimedia Software Technology Group
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:43:09 GMT

The San Francisco Winds of Freedom will be saying "Good Morning, America"
on ABC, this Thursday, 12/24, Xmas eve morning.  Set your VCR to your local
affiliate for 6:55-9am.

Also, for those who still may not have heard, the Lesbian and Gay Bands of
America (LGBA) will officially be performing at President-elect Clinton's
inauguration.  This is the first time a LBGO group has ever taken part in
such a national event.  Musicians from all around the country will be joining
together in a combined band.  I believe we are scheduled to perform on
Pennsylvania Ave at 10th Street from 10:30-11:30am and then 12:30-2:30pm EST.
No doubt, some of it will be carried on national news.  If you live in the
Washington area and can make it, come listen and support us!

Lastly, I administer the LGBA e-mail mailing list.  If anyone out there is
interested in band information or participating in the list send me mail
at "joe@ibeam.intel.com".

Joe Bonasera (of the Rose City Gay Freedom Band)
--
joe@ibeam.intel.com
(503) 696-5091
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dclark@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (daniel.c.clark)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.231739.8064@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>found Usenet, or later?

One day (sometime in early '91), i was casually bouncing through newsgroups at
random, and came across motss quite by accident: "what... *is*... THIS?!?!?"
Didn't take too long to figure out what "motss" stood for after that :-)

dan, demuffining himself

dclark@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 03:13:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <BznGFH.KBq@unix.amherst.edu> 
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

Hi, Tim!  Sorry we didn't get a chance (because I was just
a *teeny* bit "under the weather") to talk last October,

> Assuming for the moment that Andrea Dworkin's suggestions are
> clueless, inappropriate, and nonsensical (and it's been my experience
> that feminists who are perceived to be such are usually maligned by a
> hysterical, incredibly myopic media) it wouldn't invalidate my quote.

I wouldn't look to Andrea "everyday, in-a-loving-relationship,
vaginal intercourse is fully as evil as the gas chambers at
Auschwitz" Dworkin for suggestions about *anything*.  Her suggestions
are clueless, inappropriate, nonsensical, and, surprise, surpirse,
homophobic (men being the beasts we are, it doesn't matter what our
sexual orientation is: we're all genocidal rapists bent on exterminating
women from the face of the earth.)  Yawn.  There's no reason whatsoever 
to listen to a single word Andrea Dworkin says.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Diet differences with your partner?
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:09:58 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1526@dosbears> dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com writes:
>I am an omnivore (if it can't run faster than I, it is in trouble).

Wanna race?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Age-ism and the gay community
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:41:43 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote:
> 
>Presbyphilia (thanks, Steve, for the great word) seems to tread across
>some deep-seated social taboo that I don't understand. What is so
>titillating about the idea of an intergenerational relationship? They
>seem perfectly natural to me. Why is it shocking?

Probably simply its being different from the norm.  People tend to group
around like people, whether it be on the basis of age, race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, etc.  It is relatively rare, although less so lately,
to see mixed groups of people together.

>In contrast, no one on motss has ever been obnoxious to me about the
>difference in the ages between Robert and me. No one said a thing at
>the con, nothing negative on motss, nothing in mail. If people even
>notice, it seems they don't care. I find this acceptance to be
>wonderfully refreshing: it makes it much easier to post this article.
>Thank you.

That is one of the beauties of motss.  Here it is the norm enjoy company 
with a diverse group of people.  This diversity has certainly helped me
to become familiar with many different cultures I would not have come across
in my daily life.  A year ago, I didn't think I would ever have reason to
go into a leather bar, for example.  While I didn't necessarily understand
(I'm not sure that is the word I am looking for, but it may have to do for
now) you and Robert at the time, I did have to look within myself to
understand why it bothered me so, and why I had chosen to limit myself
in this regard, and many others.

This only addresses a small subset of your post, which has given me
many things to think about.  Thanks.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hispanic Journalists to Meet in Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:22:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec30.202257.22252
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <30DEC92.15212472@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) wrote:
>>Patricia E. Duarte, a member of the board of the Hispanic
>>journalists' association, said she resents what she said are
>>"pressure-group tactics" being used against the organization.
>>She said the convention does not have to be moved to show
>>that Hispanics are sympathetic to homosexuals.  "We should
>>not be pressured into taking a political stance," Ms. Duarte
>>said.  "I don't think I have ever recalled gays taking a
>>stand on Hispanic issues."
>
>And why should we?  Hispanic issues are not gay issues.  When we march in
>Washington, it's only for gay issues, nothing else!  How dare they ask
>for minority solidarity in this day and age!
>
>[insert smilie here]


Thank God you said insert smilie here!!!!! :-)  :-)

I almost had a stroke which would have been pretty damn embaressing
what with EMS trying to get me up the stairs in a gurnie......
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder (Re: More on Roseanne & Cast)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<rizzoe.580.724600003@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>
	<1992Dec17.213315.7090@njitgw.njit.edu>
	<1992Dec18.121028.19937@spdcc.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:20:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec18.121028.19937@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

   If there was a scale for being a screaming queen, Mull would be around
   9. I saw him on an interview once talking about living in Silverlake,
   and he then started on a strange tangent talking about "You know,
   swish alps..., PPlatinum Pond...". Not having seen the interview, I
   might add that a "frown skinker pause" is usually his way of being
   sarcastic.

Mull is married.  Doesn't mean anything about his sexuality, of
course, but tarnishes the "screaming queen" image...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: roy@panix.com (Roy Radow)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:06:33 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Here's some books to add to the list.

Non-fiction

Ryan White: My Own Story. Although not gay himself, Ryan was a victim
of homophobia and received support and friendship from members of our 
community. A story of great courage, it seems to reflect a realistic
image of this young man.

Reflections of a Rock Lobster by Aaron Fricke. Another early hero of
our movement tells of his coming out and fight to go to the prom with
his male friend. (Sudden Strangers, is a more recent book written by
Aaron and his father, and in a very personal way documents the
struggle these two had in accepting Aarons lifestyle.)

One Teenager in Ten (Heron) A book written by and for gay youth, and
Young, Gay & Proud: both timeless classics.

Fiction

Dance of the Warriors by Kevin Esser. Science fiction wherein gay
youth fight the evil religious fanatics for the right to live and
love as they wish. I love most of what Kevin writes. Many of his
short stories in the Acolyte Readers are among the best. (Also,
the stories by gay youth Luis Fuentes which appear in the Readers
are especially HOT!)

Kite Music (Shellhart) When a man falls in love with a boy in a
different culture he is pleasantly surprised when the relationship
is valued for it's beauty and not condemned as it would be in the
west.

Growing Old Disgracefully (Dukahz). Although not as wonderful as
his earlier works (Asbestos Diary & Visa Versa) the erotic diaries
of this classic "dirty old man" has delighted his fans for years.

Other recommendations available upon request.

Yours in Liberation,

Roy


 

-- 
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From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:52:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bzo43E.2Br
Organization: Open Communications Forum

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>This is "literally" erroneous.  Unless Portal is missing over
>half the traffic on soc.motss on an ongoing, daily basis, it's
>definitely not "thousands per day."  *Hundreds*, yes.

Depends on how bursty your feed is.  On agora sometimes the feed gets
blocked upstream, and we'll go a few days with nothing, zilch.  Then
the dam breaks and we will literally have over a thousand
messages to deal with in soc.motss.  One time I was behind by *4000*
messages and just had to mark them all read.  At the moment Alan has
the expiration set to two days to keep agora from being overwhelmed by
a week's worth of blocked news that was headed down the feed in
our direction.  Right now I'm *only* 400 messages behind, but only
because the older messages were expired before I had a chance to
read them.

Anyway, for the record I like the idea of an automated delete-o-clayton/
crosspost filter, and the newsgroup should be split.  I do not like 
changing the name from motss to lesbigay or queer.  I see no reason 
to give the 'phobes any assistance in finding us -- try reading a.p.h 
for a while to see what that will turn into.  True, some people just 
coming out may have to hunt for us for a while, but sooner or later 
somebody they know will clue them in.

-- 
Brent Capps                          | "It's just a phase you're going  
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    |  through.  Last year it was 
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |  miniature golf."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham)
Subject: Re: Minor Crises was(long-term relationships)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:43:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>
>An actual exchange between my SO and myself:
>
>  "Is there anything you want to do tonight?"
>
>  [sarcasticly] "We can always do something totally different - like have sex."
 Or how about this actual exchange:
Him:	It's your night, hon, anything you want to do is ok with me...
Me:	How about a good nasty f__k?
Him:	Weeell, that's not exactly what I had in mind, maybe we could go
	to a movie and then do it?
Me:	Ya, right...
>
-- 
Chip Graham      cgraham@convex.com         +1 214 497 4642
Convex Computer Corporation 
3000 Waterview Parkway     
Box 833851, Richardson,Tx,75083
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 14:06:06 GMT

In article <76056@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a
flying squirrel) writes:

>Hmmm, perhaps I should post my GAY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER routine
>someday.  But who here knows what a back course is anyway?)

I know what a downwind leg and a final approach are and I've
had sex in both private and commercial airplanes; in the
former instance there was some downleg wind during the final
approach.  I must say we didn't try the back course under
those conditions.  It wasn't exactly stunt flying, but there
was a trick to it.

-- 
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From: grendel@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Cliff Winnig)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "cures" for homosexuality
Summary: YEAH!!!
Keywords: kidnapping, beards, bikes
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:12:07 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Ellen Keyne Seebacher writes:
> I don't think Cliff has enough beard for you, George.

Hmph!  Better start workin' on that ZZ Top beard then, huh?

George Dalton Madison writes:
> He certainly did at motss.con; I hope that situation hasn't
> changed for the worse.....  ;-)

Nope.  Still the same.

Now...

George also writes:
>Ken Dykes writes:
>>Brian Jarvis writes:
>>>Like so many worth-while projects, the benefit is likely in the effort.
>>>If nothing else, it'll provide me an opportunity to kidnap Cliff while
>>>you're busy.
>>get in line buster! :-)
>I have dibs on the space immediately preceeding or following
>Ken.  This way, I could be amused while waiting.  ;-{)##]

Gentlemen, I am flattered...more than that, I'm game -- we could use
it as the basis for an, um, "in-between" motss.con here....

The possibilities (read "permutations") do indeed seem abundant. :-)

But do I get to ride on Ken's bike?

	-- Cliff (thinking of more permutations)
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