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From: hm@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: scsi & HP
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:07:47 GMT
Organization: HCS GmbH, Hamburg, Europe

In <1992Apr9.022737.23032@cupnews0.cup.hp.com> wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone) writes:
>mike@socrates.umd.edu (Mike Santangelo (UNIX/VMS Sysmgr)) writes:

>: You know, I would really hope that HP decides to put their money where
>: there sales mouth is and correc the current situation.  We here "Open SCSI"
>: and what is in place now is far from it.  I would hope that in HP-UX 9.0
>: that they generalize the the SCSI driver for use with third-party disks.
>: Any comment on this?  If this is the case, then the above statement

>In what way do you want the driver generalized?

i want to be able to connect ANY disk/tape/exabyte drive to the OPEN scsi-bus
on the 800. have a look at what sun does on their machines.

first of all, move the partition table from the kernel to the disk or release
the source of partition.c to your customers.

second, release the scsi driver source code for the 800's as hp does it 
already with the 300/400/700 machines.

in the long run, it would also be more profitable for hp, if one can say to
customers "buy an 800, fantastic hardware, fantastic software and really open,
you can connect anything to it!" instead of "an 800, fantastic hardware, 
fantastic software, but if you want to connect something to what they claim
'open machine', forget it !"

i know, what i will hear - "when we do that, we can't guarantee proper system
         operation any more, please buy hp disks/tapes - we are very sorry..."

i know, if i connect anything "unsupported" to my hp, i am on my own, it's the
same with all systems we operate. but other manufacturers provide me with a
freedom of choice what to connect to their machines (please have a look at 
sun's /etc/format.dat), wheras with hp, i am not free to connect anything - 
i MUST buy hp hardware, anything else just does not work ....

hellmuth
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From: a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: NFS accelerator & remote print service
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:56:16 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong

Hi all,

Does anyone know whether HP 8x7 series and 700 series support
Prestoserve (the NFS accelerator) ?

Does anyone know whether there is any utility to enable remote printing
to and from BSD systems (e.g. Ultrix, SUNOS, etc) ?  i.e. to accept
remote print requests from these BSD systems and print files to BSD
systems ?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance !
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From: blaakso@ub.d.umn.edu (S.G. Bear)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: help with HP personal comp.
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:41:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth. Information Services.

Hi,
  I have a question for one of you HP gurus. I have aquired a HP 86B personal
  computer. Can anyone tell me what it is capable of, what DOS it runs, or
  anything else that you know.  Also with the CPU I have a 3.5 duo disk drive
  with the model number 9121. Does any one know what format it has or what it
  formats the disk to (i.e  360K, 400k, 800K ...)?
      Thanks for your help.
		Brian Laakso
		(blaakso@ub.d.umn.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dave@hp1.uucp (David Vrona)
Subject: Re: Hardware flow control on HP9000/7xx?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:07:28 GMT
Organization: Hollister Incorporated,  Libertyville, IL

In article <4860@naucse.cse.nau.edu> sbw@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Steve Wampler) writes:
>Is CTS/RTS flow control possible on the HP9000/7xx machines?
>I've got a 38400 baud connection that is crying out for hardware
>flow control, but I haven't found anyway to enable it...
>-- 

A few months ago HP tech support told me hardware flow control was not supported for modems.  It is supported for terminals and printers.

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From: mrl@uai.com (Mark R. Ludwig)
Subject: Getting the Aquarium to move
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Universal Analytics, Inc., Torrance (LA), CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:24:57 GMT

Okay, I found the Aquarium in volume 4 of comp.sources.x, grabbed it
off an archive site, tweaked the Makefile so it compiles and links on
the Snake, turned off the VUE backdrop so I might be able to see it,
and ran it.

The AquaMarine background is somewhat soothing, but I'd rather see
some bubbles and fish.

Before I dig into the code to check why nothing's happening (first
obvious guess is the BSD timer calls and/or signal handlers), I
wondered if anyone else has patched it and would share the fixes.

[Please reply directly, and I'll summarize on request.]
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From: belkin@teecs.UUCP (Hershel Belkin 3751)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:33:28 GMT
Subject: Telebit T2500 setup HELP!?
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Does anyone out there have a "working" setup for a Telebit T2500 modem
attached to a 9000/8x5?  I've set up T1600's and Trailblaazer+ models,
but the T2500 seems to be acting differently...  I'd really appreciate
a copy of your modem's parameter settings (even if for some other
Telebit model)!

Sorry if this is a FAQ; thanks for the help!
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From: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: X11 include files and libraries on HP-UX
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

It is well known by now that HP has chosen to make /usr/include/X11R4
and /usr/include/Motif1.1 directories that contain the X11R4 and Motif1.1
include files instead of putting them all in /usr/include/X11, the more
"normal" location. Rather than mucking with additional -I lines in
makefiles, it is relatively easy to make symbolic links for the directories
so that /usr/include/X11 really points to /usr/include/X11R4 and so that the
stuff in /usr/include/Motif1.1 appears to be under /usr/include/X11. When I
get R5 and Motif1.2, then I'll just make new links -- so that the linked
directories in /usr/include will always point to the newest stuff.

But what about the library files? Instead of /usr/lib holding everything
related to X and Motif (i.e., libX11.a, libXt.a, libXm.a, etc.) those
library files (and the shared library versions, etc.) appear under either
/usr/lib/X11R4 or /usr/lib/Motif1.1.

Does it make sense to make lots of symbolic links for all those library
files so that, for instance /usr/lib/libX11.a will point to /usr/lib/X11R4/
libX11.a? These links would be for individual files, not directores, so it
would be a bit more tedious to make the links. What about hard links instead
of symbolic links? Are there any special problems for the shared library files
as opposed to the archive library files?

In general, is this a good idea? Or should I just stick with lots of
-L/usr/lib/X11R4 and -L/usr/lib/Motif1.1 statements in my makefiles?

Thanks,
Johnny Tolliver
jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov
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From: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Subject: AFS on HP
Reply-To: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:55:51 GMT

Does anyone have any good or bad things to say about using the Andrew
File System (AFS) on HP equipment? Any equipment?

Thanks,
Johnny Tolliver
jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gordon@madmax.waterloo.edu (Gordon R. Strachan)
Subject: fortran scratch files
Reply-To: gordon@maxwell.waterloo.edu (Gordon R. Strachan)
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo Ont.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:30 GMT

How does one set the directory that fortran uses to build its scratch files?
By that I mean the files that are created by statements of the form:

       open(unit=11,status="scratch")

I suspect these files are created under /usr/tmp (I say suspect because the
manuals say its /tmp but its the filesystem which has /usr/tmp that fills up
when you write into a scratch file)  Anyway, this is a problem for me because
I have /usr/tmp over on a diskless cnode's disk and so when you run a fortran
program on the 730 which uses a lot of scratch files, it really slows down
since it is spending all its time talking on the ethernet.  I suspose putting
/usr/tmp over on a cnode isn't the smartest thing but I ran out of room on
my root disk and I didn't want to mess up my /users disk with putting random
O/S stuff into it (HP take note this is reason number 16 why we need
partitions!)

So, what I want to do is to be able to convince the fortran program to put
the scratch files in the current directory.  Are there any undocumented
compile options of environment variables I can set?

Gordon


From: defaria@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:02:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Very slow start-up for VUE
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>/ hpcuhe:comp.sys.hp / wong_a@summer.chem.su.oz.au /  7:05 am  Apr  8, 1992 /
>
>I'm a VUE novice, but just lately the vuelogin/vuesession has been taking a
>very long time to start up on our 750. After logging in I get the
>copyright banner for about 2 minutes and then the screen goes blank for
>about 15 minutes! And then the windows and terminals come up.
>
>Previously, all windows came up in about 30 seconds. What's happening?!
>Can someone give things to look for so that I can trace the problem?
>Thanks

A hunch.... Check to see if you networking is having problems.  For example,
if you use a name server but the main name server is down then Vue will be
waiting for a lot of timeouts.  If you have a secondary name server but the
primary one is down, then simply commenting out the primary and promoting the
secondary name server to be the primary one should eliminate your problem.

At least this is what happened to me one time.
From: grumann@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Doug Grumann)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:31:35 GMT
Subject: Re: "sar" and HP-UX 8.05
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


HP Glance and HP LaserRX/UX are two purchasable tools available for monitoring
various performance metrics on HP-UX.  

From: aaronf@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Aaron Friesen)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:02:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Softbench A.02 and VUE... accessing remote BMS's
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, js12@newshost.gte.com (john schettino) writes:

>When VUE starts the softmsgsrv, what port does the mserve
>service listen to? I've tried setting MSERVE in .vueprofile and
>.profile to a known address (ie <hostname>:7111) and it seems
>that the VUE - started message server does not use that address.

Well, the BMS listens to port 6111, but this will not be of
much use to you, since the MSERVE setting has nothing to do
with the BMS port.  I am suprised that VUE still works for you
if you have set MSERVE (MSERVE will be possibly be different
every time the BMS is started).

>I'm running the A.02 release on a 720. I'd like to be able to
>run a softbench client on another machine in the network and
>have it use a different server by using the MSERVE environment
>variable, which (I amd guessing here, there is no mention of
>it in the manuals) takes the form: hostname:port_address.

You are running A.02 SoftBench (actually A.02.01)?

Why do you want to have a separate BMS?  If you try to start
a separate BMS, VUE on your 720 will possibly have problems
(all new tools started after the second BMS starts will connect
with the second BMS).

>The odd thing is if I start a softmsgsrv process manually after
>setting the MSERVE environment, then remote clients will talk to
>that server correctly. By using the -debug option to softmsgsrv I
>can see that it is correctly using the port assigned by the MSERVE
>environment var, and any clients started on any machine in the
>network that have the same MSERVE can talk to each other.

Manually setting MSERVE is not supported.  However, it should not
be a surprise that when you start a tool and tell it which BMS to
use that it actually uses that BMS.

Aaron

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From: rypma@hppad.waterloo.hp.com (Ted Rypma)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:55:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Postscript for DJ...?
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Use ghostscript.  The latest I saw had both DeskJet 500 and 500C support.
I've used both - they work - but so far no color (haven't had a color ps
file to print).

FSF software - good price, good functionality.

Ted Rypma
HP Panacom Division
From: david@monymsys.mony.com (David Kozinn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Do the X11 libraries exist for 9000/8x7 systems?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:43:54 GMT
Organization: Mutual of New York

In article <1992Apr2.160801.15726@pbs.org> sdroppers@pbs.org writes:
>Am I out of luck, do I have to load the X11R4 system from somewhere, or what? 

For whatever reason, it seems that that "HP User Environment Developers Kit
for HP-UX Version 8.0 or later" (HP Part #B1170A) is a separately available
product. According to a fairly old catalog that I have, the price is $195 for
all platforms for the software, and an addition $695 for the documentation.
They also show an "Additional 2 User License" option at $100, though the
description of the main package doesn't seem to say anything about limits on
the number of users.
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From: ueyama@nichimen-nds.co.jp (TAKASHI UEYAMA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Emacs on HP9000/700 (In Japanese/Kanji)
Keywords: emacs
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:50:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Nichimen-NDS, Tokyo, Japan

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From: campbelr@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Bob Campbell)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:32:09 GMT
Subject: Re: 720-730 upgrade
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> We were told that by our HP rep that a 720 cannot be upgraded to a 730
> unless the operating system is first loaded on the 720.  I.e., you can't
> take a 720 without the OS on disk, upgrade it to a 730, and THEN load the
> OS.

I believe your HP rep is confused.  OS installation and update goes just
fine on Snakes of all flavors here.

> This makes no sense to me.  Does it make any sense to anybody else?  If
> so, why?

Someone is misinformed.  

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From: wong_a@summer.chem.su.oz.au
Subject: Very slow start-up for VUE
Organization: School of Chemistry, University of Sydney
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:05:27 GMT


I'm a VUE novice, but just lately the vuelogin/vuesession has been taking a
very long time to start up on our 750. After logging in I get the
copyright banner for about 2 minutes and then the screen goes blank for
about 15 minutes! And then the windows and terminals come up.

Previously, all windows came up in about 30 seconds. What's happening?!
Can someone give things to look for so that I can trace the problem?
Thanks

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From: steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:44:34 GMT
Subject: Re: problem with XDB
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, mario@cad4.lbl.gov (mario aranha) writes:

Here's not really enough context in these example to be sure, but I'll try
a guess in each case, which may be off:

> >w
>   417:      globals_command_state := -55;
> = 418:      foo_bar               := FALSE;
>   419:
> >p globals_command_state
> 1073953348

If this is a PA-RISC system, it's possible the assignment doesn't get 
completed until the first instruction of line 418.  I've seen this happen
in some cases, but this doesn't (offhand) look like one.  An examination
of the disassembly would tell.  If so, stepping one more line should show
the correct value for globals_command_state.

> >w
>   3370:           msg_tag := 'display_cmd10';
>  =3371:           msg_param := new_display_spec;
>   3372:        END;
> >p msg_tag
> Unknown name "msg_tag" (UE369)

From the names, and the "END;", I'll guess that there's a "with" clause
somewhere above.  xdb doesn't know about Pascal "with" clauses, and won't
recognize unqualified field names.  Start with an actual variable and
work down to the field.

> Anyone know what could be wrong ?

If these aren't the right answers, provide more context and I'll have
another go.
						Regards, Steve taylor

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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: GNU tar 1.10
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:50:19 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>I'm trying to compile GNU tar 1.10 on an HP 750 running 8.05 hpux
>and it complains about not finding the file alloca.o.  I can't find
>it on the system and alloca.c isn't with the distribution.

I believe that the gnu fileutils documents say that there's one in
/lib/libPW.a.  They say to use ar to suck out alloca.o and stick just it
into a new library, which is what I did, putting the result in /usr/local/lib.
Another choice is to link with this strange "PW" library, but you have to make
sure that you link against the C rtl first because of conflicting symbols --
ie.,

		cc -o foo bar baz -lc -lPW

A third choice would be to snarf alloca from the gnumacs 18.58 sources.

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From: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Subject: SCCS front-end on HP
Reply-To: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:07:48 GMT

More questions about living with HP 730, 8.07:

My project has 5 developers. All the others are on Silicon Graphics
equipment, but we're all NFS'ed together. Source files reside on one of
the SG machines under control of SCCS. Our (huge) Makefile does appropriate
"sccs get" commands before compilation. Alas, there is no such thing as an
"sccs get" command on HP-UX 8.07. The old-style sccs commands (get, delta,
etc.) are there, but the sccs front-end available on the SG sure is a
friendlier user-interface. Now I either have to modify the Makefile to use
the old-style commands (i.e., get SCCS/filename.s instead of just
sccs get filename) or write an sccs script that translates from the
new-style commands into the old-style commands. The latter option is
essentially reproducing all the work that went into writing the sccs
front end. Could be quite a lot of work. On at least three other systems
(Silicon Graphics, Dec Ultrix, IBM RS/6000), the sccs front-end is
present.

Is this a shortcoming of HP-UX? Am I missing something? I.e., is the
front-end really there somewhere--perhaps a fileset that I failed to
load? ResponseLine says they've never heard of it :-(

If not there, has anyone already written an sccs pseudo-front-end that
they would be willing to share? Or is it some public domain thing
available from somewhere? Where?

Thanks,
Johnny Tolliver
jxt@ornl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mtg1@wucs1.wustl.edu (Michael T. Gamble)
Subject: Re: scsi & HP
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:56:06 GMT

In article <7370849@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes:
>In comp.sys.hp, marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>
>> I have it on good authority (our HP ResponseLine contract paid for that
>> good authority) that there is no such drive as a 97549.  HP does not make
>> such a drive and never did.
>
>If you were actually told that, you might gently inform your source that HP
>OEM product number 97549T does indeed appear on the Corporate Price List
>(CPL).  If you (the customer) have LaserROM on-line CD-based documentation,
>this entry probably appears in the Product Catalog document.

The fact is that although the drive is an OEM product the standard HP sales
force and purchase routes available to the average HP users will not lead
him to it (and, as above, may not even let him know that it exists). One
might wonder why it is that HP produces the drive and sells its little
brother the 97548 as a standard HP catalog drive (although under a different
part number), but not the larger drive. It was probably superceded by
the 97560. 

Anyway, we've bought a number of the 97549 drives and have them running on 
Sun SPARC1+ & 2 and on 2 HP 720s. They work like a charm and you can't beat
the prices from the distributors. Why I can buy an disk from a distributor,
get a 5 year warranty on it and save 1/3 cost of buying a disk direct from
HP (with an educational discount) is the real question? In the long run I
think HP is positioning themselves to sell workstations in volume and to
supply peripherals only to those customers that don't have the expertise or
don't want to look to third party sources for products. Of course HP is
making some the fastest, most reliable disk drives on the market right now,
but they're just not interested in using their sales force to market them. 



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