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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:19:41 -0500
From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Paperless composing
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu
              Jan 28, 93 09:27:41 am

Mark Simon writes:
>
>                                   ... So I resolved to create a piece without
> once resorting to notation.
>                   ... Well, silly me, before I knew it, that permanent loop
> was part of the piece.

I think this is possibly an artifact (and a common one) of the medium. It
is indeed easier to write 2/4/8/16 bars and loop them. I try to reuse stuff,
but not necessarily loop it. Doing so is acceptable as long as the other
parts which go along with it *don't* replicate themselves. How much changes
and when is a matter for The Composer's Taste.

>      Actually I had fun making it, my wife likes it, perhaps it would appeal
> to other New-Age-ophiles, but it sure doesn't hold a candle to anything I've
> been writing with pencil and paper. I think the difference is that, since I
> didn't have to think about each and every note, I didn't think about any of
> them, and the result sounds rather mindless.
I get around this by working over each section until I find I can't improve it.
All of the notes get thought about, usually over a period of days or weeks.

>      So the question is, how do you sequencer-based composers avoid the
> noodle syndrome?

Good improvisation overtop repeating motifs in differing contexts, changing
orchestration, addition and subtraction of contrapuntal lines. Also,
evolution of "the next thing implied" by a given motif. Thirdly, I try not
to write 20 minutes of music if I only have 3 minutes of idea.

 --- Joe M.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:59:18 PST
From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: collaborators
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU
              at Jan 25, 93 8:29 am

>     Whenever this collaboration is done, you should send a copy to Synkronos
>Music, Wayside or Eurock.  These places are always looking for something
>new.  Synkronos (Chuck Vanzyl) in particular gives special consideration to
>home tapers on his show Starsend.  Chuck is a home taper himself and works
>closely with D.Andrew Rath (aka Control Voltage) and Peter "Nightcrawlers"
>Gulch.

...and not so closely with Bill Forcier, Art Cohen, and Yrs Truly. His
new set of tapes for the Galilean Moons is uniformly excellent. I recommend
it. Chuck van Zyl, Synkronos Music, PO Box 22, Upper Darby, PA 19082-0022.


--
mike metlay                |
atomic city                | "Just remember to rip out all the RAM chips
p. o. box 81175            |  and replace them with multistate core,
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |  for a more analog sound."
metlay@netcom.com          |                                (d. elliott)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:38:57 -0500
From:         Patrick Robinson <pgr@RAMANDU.EXT.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: your mail
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Metlay writes:
> >Bill Fox      215-439-7217 |
> >AT&T Bell Labs             | Glub-blug dip woot-boof wammie,
> >555 Union Blvd. Rm. 1B-107 | hofr, horf, horf.
> >Allentown, PA 18103 (USA)  |                 Dr. Mike Metlay
> >wbf@alux1.att.com          |
>

> Sorry, Bill, but I didn't say this. I was quoting Patrick Robinson.

Ahhh... redeemed.  I feel *so* much better, now.

;-}

-Patrick
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:38:16 PST
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From:         Mitch Turitz <turitz@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Greetings from ALA (Monday)

Richard:

  I just spent a couple of hours at the Geac booth with Doug.  He said
that the MAJOR changes with 5.0 are in the OPAC, but there is no working
display of 5.0.  Just a "demo" that EXPLAINS the differences, but does
not actually show it!

  I showed Doug a couple of bugs in the serials system that he wasn't
aware of, so they will (obviously) not be fixed with 5.0.  Included
were: If you create a serials check-in record first, you CANNOT go back
and link an acquisitions record to the serial checkin record.  You CAN
link the two if you START from the acquisitions record, but not the
reverse (it will end up creating a new holding which is not part of the
original serial check-in record).  You must use the SERIAL PUBLICATION
and TRANSER options from the acquisitions module.

  There is SUPPOSED to be better MODIFICATION of searches in the OPAC,
but since there is no 5.0 working module, I could not see it.  There is
also supposed to be better local control over screen displays.

  Rumor:  Support for Geac Advance is going to be shifted to the Boston
area (CLSI home).

  Geac reception is tonight.  Last night Bob from Oregon State, Valerie
Bross from CSU Stanislaus, and a couple of others of us went out to the
Rock Bottom Bar for dinner.  It was quite good.

  There are numerous buttons against prop 2 being handed out.  There was
also some rally today (against it).

  There was great dissatisification with the arrangements here from the
very start.  Hotel reservations messed up, conference rooms changed
without notice, inadequate conference rooms & accomodations, etc.  I
believe that ALA is too large to be held here again, whether or not prop
2 is an issue.

  -- I'll be returning tomorrow.

  -- Mitch
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Mitch Turitz, Serials Librarian
X7883,  Fax: 338-6199
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:54:32 MST
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From:         Hal Kreps <ALIKREPS@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: OPAC addresses??

Boise State University and Idaho State Library can be loacted at
catalyst@idbsu.idbsu.edu or catalyst@idbsu.  Idaho State University
is different.

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:53:36 PST
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From:         Richard Griffin <griffinr@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Fax your enhancement requests

           I sent out a reminder yesterday about the enhancement requests being
           due this Friday.  If you prefer, you may fax the ballot sheets to me
           at (503)737-3453.

           Richard Griffin
           (griffinr@ccmail.orst.edu)

           VP, Geac/Advance Users Group
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:41:02 PST
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From:         Shiela Keil Osheroff <osherofs@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: multiple versions document (fwd)

Mitch:
Perhaps before you start writing that serials manual, you'd like to look through
OSU's procedures for check-in and serials module records set-up.  The
periodicals set-up procedures are fairly far evolved and might prove useful. The
procedures for continuations (annuals, biennials, irregulars, microforms) are in
draft form and still being worked on.  I anticipate we'll have them in a bit
better shape within the next couple weeks or so as we are moving forward with
migrating from SC-10 and expect to start working on continuations set-up in
earnest sometime in February.

I expect we will also be developing some internal procedures for handling
check-in of state and federal documents, as we also need to get those
transferred before SC-10 goes down in late March.

We were sufficiently into set-up and check-in by last September (after going to
V.4) that Don Chvatal (GEAC Western Region sales rep) spent a couple days with
us learning to use the serials module.  If he comes through your area, you might
want to "snag" him and see what suggestions he has.  Serials staff were quite
impressed with his ability to come in, learn how the module was working, do work
on the system, and understand the various problems and "glitches" we were
encountering.

Let me know if you'd like me to send you those procedures.

Shiela
osherofs@ccmail.orst.edu
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:08:21 PST
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From:         Richard Griffin <griffinr@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Enhancement requests - reminder

           Just a reminder:

           If your site intends to vote on the Geac/Advance enhancement
           requests, you must have paid your User Group dues and the ballot
           sheets must be returned to me by this Friday (January 29th).

           You should receive the final prioritized list from me by about the
           second week in February, so that the requests can be discussed at the
           User Group meeting in March. (You should be receiving a registration
           packet this week from Matt Goldner).

           If you are interested in the enhancement request process, please make
           sure your site sends in the ballot sheets!

           Thank you

           Richard Griffin
           (griffinr@ccmail.orst.edu)
           Vice-president, Geac/Advance Users Group
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:41:44 PST
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From:         Richard Blood <rblood@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Greetings from ALA

Mitch,
Have you taken a look at the first GUI-based OPAC exhibited at the
Caryle booth.  I think it's called something like "Voyaguer?"  Also, try
to find out as much as possible as to what is in Advance 5.0 and when
it will be available for general distribution.  Is, for example,
anything more offered for bindery control, etc.?
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:48:05 -0500
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From:         William Oldfield <liboff27@WATSERV1.UWATERLOO.CA>
Subject:      Catalogue access

>
>The following information was taken from hytelnet.  You can access Hytelnet at
>access.usask.ca and login as hytelnet or you can download a copy for your own
>machine.  Hytelnet is available for Macs, pcs and Unix


>
>
>Oregon State University
>telnet oasis.kerr.orst.edu
>login in as oasis
>enter 1 for vt100 emulation
>
>Texas Women's University
>telnet twu.the.net
>username: iris
>
>Boise & Idaho State Universities
>telnet catalyst.idbsu.edu
>login in as catalyst and select 4 for vt100 emulation
>


William Oldfield            Networked Information Research Associate
University of Waterloo Library
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada             Phone: 519) 885-1211 Ext. 2461
N2L 3G1                        Email: liboff27@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:13:56 MST
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From:         Janet Strong <ALISTRON@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: training needs and training plans

At Boise State University we do  not conduct any special training sessions
for ADVANCE.  We do incorporate time in each library instruction session
on using the catalog.  (We currently use a directly wired laptop with a
display panel that sits on an overhead projector.  Conducting searches that
directly relate to assignments keeps interest.)  We have a couple of
handouts: a one sheet basic searching and a more detailed two sheet.
We tried putting the complete manual out but those walked away very quickly.
ADVANCE is one of the more user friendly online catalogs and many people
can figure out how to use it.  Our reference staff also circulates in the
catalog area fairly frequently to help people who are stuck.

Janet Strong
Boise State University Library

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| Orientation Librarian  | Boise, Idaho  83725 | Internet:                |
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:25:58 EST
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From:         Bull Jerry John <bullj@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject:      Re: ADVANCE OPAC User Survey Report
              "hye_ok_park@CSUFRESNO.EDU" at Jan 7, 93 10:03 am

Dear Hye,
I would appreciate receiving an E-mail copy of the report.
Thanks,
Jerry Bull
Universite de Montreal
Bibliotheque des lettres et des sciences humaines
E-mail:  bullj@ere.umontreal.ca
>
>                     ANNOUNCEMENT OF PUBLICATION
>
> Under a small faculty research grant, an OPAC user survey was
> conducted in Summer and Fall of 1992 at the Henry Madden Library of
> California State University, Fresno.  A report on the results of the
> two surveys has been compiled with a brief discussion of the
> Geac/ADVANCE OPAC installation at the Library and how the patrons used
> and viewed the system, along with some graphs and charts analyzing
> the responses.
>
> A copy of the report is available upon request from:
>
>      Hye Ok Park
>      Library Automation Coordinator
>      Henry Madden Library
>      California State University, Fresno
>      Fresno, CA  93704-0034
>
>      Or send an E-mail request to:
>      hye_ok_park@csufresno.edu
>
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From:         "CAROL H. JEWELL" <CHJ65@ALBNYVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      training needs and training plans

What has been your experience(s) regarding training?  I am interested in
how you went about planning for implementation of ADVANCE, what worked
for you, what didn't, what you'd do differently, etc.

Thanks!

Carol H. Jewell
Coordinator, Catalog Maintenance Unit
University Libraries
University at Albany, State University of New York
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:29:59 PST
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From:         hye_ok_park@CSUFRESNO.EDU
Subject:      Enhancement Requests

CSU, Fresno has just been upgraded to Version 4.5.  And some of the problems
that were put on the Enhancement Requests for the Users Group to vote
on, we believe, have been fixed.  I thought maybe I should mention
them so that you may exercise your quota of 10 Urgent votes on other
urgent items.

Ver.3 #90 - OCLC download process now DOES preserve the order of tagged fields

Ver.4 #122 - In CEHD (Holdings Default Setup) menu, you can define the
default institution, sublocation codes, etc.   If you have your Cat.
ports to be Diacritics port, then you have to go into that port setup
and define it there.  I had done it for the Default and Login specific
port and not seen it work for a week.  Finally when I went it and
corrected it for the Diacr. port, it started working.

Ver.4 #123 - In the same menu (CEHD), you can set this flag to 1 to
not get thrown out to the search screen.

Ver.4 #147 - In AR screen the date due as well as the date returned
shows.

Ver.4 #205 - Setting a dollar amount for printing INVOICES is possible
and is working.  We have ours set for $5.00.  I am not sure about the
statements though.

Ver.4 #204 - I believe this is possible in 4.5.

Ver.4 #203 - Happy to say that microprocessor-based Circ. Backup
worked finally!  I can supply the details after ALA conference if
anyone is interested.  However, we have to checkin and checkout for
renewals.

Ver.4 #281 - This works!  You only need to enter the first letter of
the search option and press [CR] to jump to the index of your choice
on the main menu of OPAC.

Now, I would like to lobby for a couple of items which we consider
Urgent.

     Ver.4 #133 - Volume sorting.  It works in reverse-chronological
          order.  However, there is more to volume sorting than
          chronologically ordering, such as bi-annuals, parts, etc.  I am
          forwarding the specifics to Richard Griffin.

     Ver.4 #78 - This is a huge problem for us in that we also have
     "semester hours" and "between semester hours," the latter of which
     falls between the cracks.  Manually changing each day as exception is
     really cumbersome.

There are several more I would like to go on lobbying for, but I must
hurry and catch the plane to Denver now.  Sorry for any typos, since I can't
proof-read the message.

Thank you for reading this looooong message!
-- Hye Ok Park, hye_ok_park@csufresno.edu
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:25:38 PST
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From:         Debbie Hackleman <hacklemd@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Enhancement Requests

          Thanks for the note on version 4.5.  We don't have it yet,
          but I tried setting the flag to 1 to solve the problem
          mentioned in #123.  It works fine for monograph records, but
          there is still a problem for item records once a serial has
          been set up in the Serials module.  (We don't have version
          4.5 yet by the way.)  In the Serials module, when you are in
          a position to retrieve an item record there are 2 ways to do
          it--both Retrieve # and # item actually retrieve the item (#
          item does NOT just let you look at the item, you can change
          it).  The setting of the flag in CEHD has no impact on the
          whether Exit returns you to the search screen or the list of
          items for records set up in the Serials module.  If you use
          Retrieve # and then Exit you are returned to the search
          screen.  If you use # item and then Exit you are returned to
          the first page of the Item listing.

          We are getting around the problem by using # item instead of
          Retrieve #, but the Exit from a retrieved item record should
          return you to the list of items instead of the search screen
          when you use the Retrieve # option.

          The second point you made concerning Request # 122:  If I
          understand your response correctly, setting these defaults
          would mean that any item created would have the same
          standard information as defined in CEHD.  This is not what
          #122 is about.  What we want is that the information for a
          new item would be taken from the existing items for that
          record only, not that any new item would have defaulted
          information.  This is particularly of use when doing a major
          barcoding operation.  If we default the information so that
          all items for any record have the same standard data, this
          would not be a good solution for sites which have several
          branches especially if all processing is done centrally.

          I agree with you about the importance of volume sorting.
          There have been some excellent improvements in this area
          since we submitted that enhancement request.

          I would like to mention the request for making the Search
          Copy option available in records which have been set up in
          the Serials module.  This request is listed under the System
          section in the Enhancement Requests list for Version 4 and
          actually is more applicable to the OPAC and to other staff
          modules such as Cataloging.

          Thanks again to Hye OK Park for sending out the comments in
          relation to Version 4.5.
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:35:12 PST
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From:         Mitch Turitz <turitz@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Greetings from ALA

Hi!

   I am sending this from DataResearch's booth at ALA.  Just wanted to
let you know that I was told (but not demonstrated) that version 5 of
Advance WILL allow linking of analytical records to the parent/child
record.  The person at the terminal was not familiar with it, and (of
course) the one who is was out to lunch.

   C U L8TR

  -- Mitch
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