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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: puththiYuLLa manitharellaam vetRRi kaaNpathillai.....
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 23:59:38 GMT

puththiYuLLa manitharellaam vetRRi kaaNpathillai
vetRRi petRRa manitharellaam puththisaali illai

puththiYuLLa manitharellaam vetRRi kaaNpathillai
vetRRi petRRa manitharellaam puththisaali illai
puththisaali illai.......

paNam irukkum manithanitam manam iruppathillai
manam irukkum manithanitam paNam iruppathillai
paNam pataiththa veettinilE vanthathellaam sontham
paNam illaatha manithanukku vanthathellaam thunpam

puththiYuLLa manitharellaam vetRRi kaaNpathillai
vetRRi petRRa manitharellaam puththisaali illai
puththisaali illai........

paruvam vantha anaivarumE kaathal koLvathillai
kaathal koNta anaivarumE maNam mutippathillai
maNam mutiththa anaivarumE sErnNthu vaazhvathillai
sErnNthu vaazhum anaivarumE sErnNthu povathillai

puththiYuLLa manitharellaam vetRRi kaaNpathillai
vetRRi petRRa manitharellaam puththisaali illai
puththisaali illai........

kanavu kaaNum manithanukku ninaipathellaam kanavu
avan kaanukinRa kanavinilE varuvathellam uRavu
avan kanavil avaL varuvaaL avanaip paarththu sirippaaL
avaL kanavil Yaar varuvaar Yaaraip paarththu azhaippaL

puththiYuLLa manitharellaam vetRRi kaaNpathillai
vetRRi petRRa manitharellaam puththisaali illai
puththisaali illai.......


Anpudan,

V R Kumar

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Subject: Re: one of sujaathaa's pudhuk kavidhais from memory
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:53:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.161234.23787@news.uakron.edu>, arbi@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (R Balaji) writes:
>when i was discussing a point with a friend, the following
>came to my mind. i'm sure lot of you would have seen it. it
>was in one of the tamil weeklies (saavi/kalki/kumudham/...).
>
>
>                    _______________________
>        liftil nuzhaindha                  |
>                    _______________________
>                    |   avaLai,            |
>                    _______________________
>                    |   "kaadhalippadhaa?  |
>                    _______________________
>                    |   kaRpazhippadhaa?"  |
>                    _______________________
>                    |   mudivu seyyumun    |
>                    _______________________
>                    |           i          |
>                    _______________________
>                    |             Ra       |
>                    _______________________
>                    |               ngi    |
>                    _______________________
>                    |                 veli...yE sendRu vittaal.
>                    |______________________|
>
>peace an' luv,
>arbi

This is from his novel "Nirvaana Nagaram", and incidentally this would
be used to unveil the murderer in the later part. And your version isn't
exactly accurate (there will be a mention about computer punchcards)
but the structure is right.

- Arun.
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigal - 5
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:47:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45594
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"Vaanam enakkoru bodhi maram !
	 NaLum  enakkadhu sEdhi tharum !!"

	 from "idhu oru pon malaip pozhuthu.."

	 posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Thamizhan enral .....
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:20:14 GMT

Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>ever killed an INNOCENT person in pursuit of power. Fight your
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^
>>oppressors by all means. That is your right. However, do not
  ^^^^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           ^^^^^^
>>shed the blood and tears of innocents. That is all. Niraparaadhiyai
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>kondRa paavam pala thalaimuRaikkum kolaikaarargalai summaa vidaathu.
>>This applies to everyone: sinhalese, tamils, british, americans etc.

>Its very easy to preach philosophy. But, when Gandheism is especially dead 
>and buried deep in India itself one should be careful in preaching ahimsa.

>Dont' talk about 'paavam' before you know the reality. Don't write about
>'shedding the blood and tears of innonecents' when my people(Tamils) are
>dying 
>everyday on their land with bombs from air, shells from the sea and
>bulltes from the Sinhala troops. You, of course the right to express
>your opinion. But, remember: we don't need any of your crocodile tears
>either.

>-Thambi

Well, you are entitled to your opinion too! However, I think there is
a difference between fighting one's oppressors and random killings.
I also do not think that I was "preaching ahimsa" in the sense
of "turning the other cheek" (see above). And I am equally appalled
for instance, by happenings in Punjab, which as I see it, has
turned into "Land of the five rivers of blood and tears". - ganesh 


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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Lyrics of some Bharathiyaar songs..
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:17:23 GMT

In <1218@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> na@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Aru Arunasalam) writes:


>In article <1992Nov6.122216.6189@gw.wmich.edu>, x90ramachand@gw.wmich.edu writes...
>>Nanbazhrgalae  Vanakkam,
>> 
>>I was listening to songs from Bharathiyar and I wonder if some enlightened
>>soul could post the lyrics of the following songs:.
>> 
>>1. Kakkai chiraiyinillae... nanda laala....(something like that)

>    I recollect this as "Kaakkai siRahinilae..."
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>4. any other song you remember....

>    I believe the classic "Kannamma" song is also a Bharathiyaar composition

>    "KattRu veLi idai Kannamma, Unthan  Kaathalei eNNi-thavikkindRaen..."
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  It is ennik kaLikkinREn
>>Suresh Ramachandran

>Aru/
>
From: x90ramachand@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Lyrics of some Bharathiyaar songs..
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:22:16 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Nanbazhrgalae  Vanakkam,

I was listening to songs from Bharathiyar and I wonder if some enlightened
soul could post the lyrics of the following songs:.

1. Kakkai chiraiyinillae... nanda laala....(something like that)
2. Theeratha Viliyattu pillai... Kannan therivilae..
3. Veenai yedi nee ennakku....
4. any other song you remember....

Ekkathudan Kaathiirrukkum,

(forgive me if my Tamil doesn't sound good) 
Suresh Ramachandran

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Tamil names (was Re: commonness among Tamils...)
Organization: -
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:09:53 GMT

un025720@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

>I always wondered why all Tamils,irrespective of their castes have no family 
>name. Tamil cousins do not have the same last name as others in the country do.
>We just end up adding one more first name as our last name. This is also
>true among tamil muslims and christians. Does anyone know if this was in
>practice for very long and if this just unique to Tamil culture??

It probably depends on how far back in time one wants to go. I would
guess before the days of British rule, common people in the Tamilnadu
used just one name. 

During the British rule, with the reform movements many indians started 
making longer forms of their names too. The turn of the century 'Madras'
used to use the Villagename Fathersname Personsname Castename format,
at least among Hindus. During the freedom struggle itself the leaders
of the community realised that the caste system is only dividing 
the people and started encouraging people to drop the caste part of
the names. The place of birth part of the name became meaningless if
you were born in a big city or town.

To answer your question, dropping extra parts of peoples names
happened during the 1900-1950 time period and it was done for 
a very good reason.  As long as there are caste based discriminations
(one way or the other), we don't need the castenames and the caste
system.

Regards,
Raghavan, V.
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From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Subject: Re: Three good Tamil movies in the last decade
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:59:37 GMT

In article <9211121749.AA20480@cec1.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
|> 
|> >thaNNeer thaNNeer (1982) - Komal Swaminathan and K.Balachander,
|> >oru inthiyak kanavu (1983) - Komal Swaminathan,
|> >veedu (1988) - Balu Mahendra
|> >     these three for the theme and realism.
|> 
|>      These are good movies and more than `non-mediocre'. 
|>      I would not credit K.B. much for the success of the `ThaNNeer,
|>  ThaNNeer'. It was based on Komal's drama and the drama was  
|>  a big success in T.N. and K.B. closely followed the drama in  
|>  his success. But for Sarita, all others in the movie were from
|>  the Komal's drama troupe. K.B. added a humor to the drama in
|>  the movie and it worked in some places and it didn't work in some
|>  other places. It worked with the character `Vaadhyaar Raman'.
|>  Looking at the seriousness in the theme and the seriousness in the
|>  Komal's drama, I wish that K.B. had not added his type of humor
|>  in this movie version.
|>      The last two movies in your list failed in the theatres.
|>  Komal directed `oru indhiyak kanavu'..
|> 
|> >
|> >Thanks,
|> >
|> >S. Sankarapandi
|> >ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
|> 
|>     S.Pandian
|>     sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
|> 

Concidering the fact that "thaNNeer thaNNeer" was successful among
the masses and "oru inthiyak kanavu" was a flop (both successful
plays by Komal, the first one directed by K.Balachandar and the
second by Komal himself), I could not understand how one will not
give proper credit to K.B. for *the movie* "thaNNeer thaNNeer"! 

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
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From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Re: On the relevance of Satyagraha
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:00:12 GMT

This is a response to Sundaramurthy's reply:-

[1] Constitution:-
	Yes! It isn't immutable. The power to effect any change resides
with people and anyone interested in a change should take the
responsibility of educating them. Instead whining and blaming
ruling/working division, at any given time, is futile. Giving U'r own
medicine, look around and tell us as to how many socialist govts.  have
altruistic law makers. Nevertheless I don't want to maintain the status quo
in India. But to me your argument is nothing different from DK's
propanganda of branding any ruler from Delhi as Aryan.

	Anyone with a bad record shouldn't be allowed to hold any govt.
office. Period. How are we going to ensure this? Just an active and
vigilant press isn't enough. If the masses want an alternative, they should
be provided with one. It is sickening to see that students, whose dynamism
can help in this, fall prey to existing parties and their myopic views. So
the silver lining is education and  providing alternatives.

[2] Thani Tamilnadu
	Yes! DK asked for Dravida Nadu to be rejected by all except TN. The
basic premise that Delhi was being ruled by Aryans with their career
objective to subordinate Dravidians, was rejected. This is the basic
difference between national feelings in Karnataka/Andhara and TN, then and
now. One who is proud of his cultural identity should also realise that if
his culture is good enough to weather time and  onslaught of others, then
it will. Whining and finding a scapegoat wouldn't help.

raghavan

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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: ilankai oLiparappu koottu thabanam - A reminiscence
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:20:20 GMT


 Recollecting some of my favorite programs.
"puduveLLam" - Daily morning 7.00am. New songs. My day usually started
with this program.

"udayaavin paattukkup paattu"- Sundays afternoon.Compere B.H.Abdul Hamid.
This was always fun to listen. You could hear all the songs in typical
Srilankan tamil voice. Some of the competitors' knowledge about tamil
movie songs was really awesome. Not to mention about K.S.Raja's talent.

" Nikkadovin... " - I don't remember the program's name. The competitor
had to speak about something for about three minutes and should avoid
a particular word. (eg) upayokapaduththavENdiya sol: kinaru.
thavirkkavENdiya sol: thaNNeer. Some rules were there like no word had
to be repeated three times.

I don't remember this program's name also. The competitor would be given
a brief hint about a word and he had to ask some six questions to find
the answer.

Another one was the competitor had to answer K.S.Raja's questions for
about three minutes. He had to avoid "aam", "illai", and no word should
be repeated three times.

Some other programs I could remember are "isaich chelvam", "kurukkezhuthu"
etc.

Are these programs are still broadcast by SLBC?

Cheers,
Venkat
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Subject: test
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:36:30 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan)
Subject: Re: The War on Behalf of Rama and Ravana
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:23:50 GMT

In article <45377@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>
>If you read these epics, you'd find countless erraneous aspects.
>Dasaratha is supposed to have something like 60000 wives! So were
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Krishna and Arjuna! They could have made a regiment out of their
>wives alone. There is a Rishi called Suga Rishi who has a parrot's
>head. There must be many more - like the army of monkeys.  
>
>
>Partha sarathy

I read somewhere that Dasaratha is an ancestor of 
Wilt Chamberlain's :-) 

I have to say this grudgingly about Dasaratha though,
"What a man!"

-- rst
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: Summary of kuRavanji paadalgal, please.. 
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:06:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.214816.23439@cis.uab.edu> vaidyana@cis.uab.edu  
(Viswanathan Vaidyana) writes:
Hi Vikram! (alias Viswanathan)
Welcome to SCT.
Vikram>   Can you please post a summary of the kuRavanji paadalgal you have
Vikram>  posted so far...  Thanks.
Hope your request is honored by the concerned netter(s).
Vikram> 
Vikram> - Vishu. 
Hope to see your active participation in SCT.

Cheers,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: kn the movie Roja..
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:38:50 GMT




I dont understand why people talk length and depth about the unity and
separation with conservative views.  What is so sacred about being part of
India or any other nation for that matter when more than half the populace are
not able to live with dignity or basic living conditions.

Afterall the boundaries of all our colonial countries were drawn by beuracrats.
Heaven wont fall down (ya, when the life is hell whether live in India or
Separate Tamil Nadu due to the exploitation of the established class) if some
section of the people talk about separation.  What is wrong in burning the
constitution or flag if some people wanted to show their protest.  During the
Gulf war we have seen this in the US when the civilized US people did not ask
for the arrest or torture of those who have burnt nor the govt did suppress
them.

We need unity of our country or all the countries in the world for a better
living.  That should come from the mutual understanding of all the parties.
First of all, can we think of our families who live in the same place can live
as a joint family.  Trust, tolerance and respect are the important aspects of
unity.   When they are under question all the problems will arise whether it is
in a family, a nation or in the whole world.


Almost all the governments are criminals which suppress the dissent with
brutal police and military.  Then to hide their blood strained face, they
propagate this kind of false patriotism.  All the other problems related to the
economy go unnoticed.  On the other hand, the affected people support violence
for their defence which in some cases lead to terrorist movements.  So before
preaching about Satyagraha to the terrorist movements or the separatist
movements, one should point the finger against `the first licensed terrorist',
the government.


About DMK/DK, they are just jokers or selfish politicians who talk separation
or autonamy for votes similar to the congress and the *.janatha.* talk about
unity.  They are all gambling the interests of the people for some self
interested groups on both sides.


So let us not preach the Srilankan Tamils or the Kashmiris about what they
should do when we know next to nothing about their real problems.


S. Sankarapandi
ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: skrishna@cocoa-pebbles.ai.mit.edu (Sarath Krishnaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Indian Army 4th largest?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:30:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cocoa-pebbles.ai.mit.edu

Well, hi there,

Just a quick question out of curiosity.  One of the earlier posts to this
group mentioned (implied?) that the Indian Army is the world's fourth
largest.  Is this in fact true?  I find that pretty fascinating.  Is
this in terms of an active, standing army or does it include reserves?

I am pretty sure that the top 3 are the US, China and Russia (not sure if
the US is forst or second); but I'd thought maybe Germany or one of the
Middle Eastern countries would be next.  If anyone has data on this, I'd
appreciate your letting me know -- Thanks!


On other stuff:  

(1)  	Thanks to whoever posted the article on posting on
	controversial topics to soc groups.  It's good to have a reminder of what
	the USENET guidelines are.

(2)	It's probably a bad idea in the extreme to deliberately edit someone
	else's post in a fake followup, even if they were offensive.  Actually,
	I'd say it was beyond a bad idea, running into the illegal/immoral range.


Thanks again,

Sarath.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: On the relevance of Satyagraha
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:15:41 GMT

In <1992Nov11.160012.13708@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:

>This is a response to Sundaramurthy's reply:-

>[1] Constitution:-
>	Yes! It isn't immutable. The power to effect any change resides
>with people and anyone interested in a change should take the
>responsibility of educating them. Instead whining and blaming
>ruling/working division, at any given time, is futile. Giving U'r own
>medicine, look around and tell us as to how many socialist govts.  have
>altruistic law makers. Nevertheless I don't want to maintain the status quo
>in India. But to me your argument is nothing different from DK's
>propanganda of branding any ruler from Delhi as Aryan.

     From what has happened in history we tamizhs (at least a few like me)
are aware of the dictatorial attitude of the Center. When anybody in
tamizh naadu other than a Congress samcha is in power the center dismisses
the govt. I am not a supporter of karuNaanidhi but I am against the central
govt. attitude of dismissing mu. kaa's govt. in '89 when it was elected
with full support of the people of tamizh naadu. NTR's govt also met
with similar fate when he came to US for treatment. The question
is not who is good. If mu.kaa is bad, what about jay,sO & rajiv.
Everybody is bad. But there is a double standard. Coingress
trying to establish hegemony in punjab has cost so much to the country.
The center has made the people who sacrificed so much for the country
its enemies. My friend, democracy is a laughing stock in India.  
Diversity has to be acknowledged. Unity will develop if people
do not fight and economy is set right.


>	Anyone with a bad record shouldn't be allowed to hold any govt.
>office. Period. How are we going to ensure this? Just an active and
>vigilant press isn't enough. If the masses want an alternative, they should
>be provided with one. It is sickening to see that students, whose dynamism
>can help in this, fall prey to existing parties and their myopic views. So
>the silver lining is education and  providing alternatives.


Who decides who is bad. Indira amma! RSS! That is BAD!
>[2] Thani Tamilnadu
>	Yes! DK asked for Dravida Nadu to be rejected by all except TN. The
>basic premise that Delhi was being ruled by Aryans with their career
>objective to subordinate Dravidians, was rejected. This is the basic
>difference between national feelings in Karnataka/Andhara and TN, then and
>now. One who is proud of his cultural identity should also realise that if
>his culture is good enough to weather time and  onslaught of others, then
>it will. Whining and finding a scapegoat wouldn't help.
            Could you answer my question how? why? a democratically elected
majority govt. was dismissed in '89.

      
>raghavan


  Kathiravan
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