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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:30:03 GMT

Robert Lewis writes:

<>> I think I would ride faster if I had a girl mechanic!
<
<> I'm heard of men who would rather play with girls than with women?
<> Maybe you are into child molesting?
<
<        In the past Mr. Brandt has reasonably argrued that personal
< attaicks should not be part of discussions within rec.bicycles.*.  As I
< have too good of an opinion of Mr. Brandt to believe that he thinks
< child sexual abuse is a joke, I must conclude that the above two
< sentences has no place in discussion in this group.  If I were Mr.
< Wuertele my future discussions on this matter would be conducted through
< legal council.

Pardon me for being out of touch.  My passing comment that the term "girl"
where "woman" would be appropriate apparently touched on a raw nerve.  The
reference to child molesting seems to conjure up the extreme connotation
in some readers.  It appeared to me to be a facetious image of a bicycle
rider wanting a "girl" to fix his bike for unspecified reasons that could
be inferred from David Wuertele's statement.  There seem to be rules about
which sexual implications are OK and which are not.  Why, for instance,
would a "girl" make Dave ride faster?  Oh sure, because she would adjust
his bike better.

I think that under this subject heading (women's place in a technical
world) referring to women as "girls" is awkward and out of place.  My
reference was to suggest how far out of place such male banter might be
interpreted.  Some took it either as an endorsement of the practice or as
an indictment against Dave, both of which seem to me to be gratuitously
extreme interpretations.

Robert's response is about as extreme as they get and I seem to have pressed
a hot button here.  I am not aware that the term "child molestation" is so
far out of bounds that the obvious incongruity of my suggestion of "girls"
assisting a bike rider and his possible sexual interest in underage women be
so interpreted.  The selfrighteous responses are striking.  It may be a
result of new focus on "family values", another term that seems to carry a
lot of weight these days.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: chzs06@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: bike for sale in Glasgow, Scotland
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:17:40 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


I won a bike in a prize draw and I will never use it. It's a 
Dawes Diehard 21" (effectively 18" because of the sloping top tube).
It has shimano 200GS bits and a Renolds 500 frame with oversize
seatstays (the only bit worth getting oversize).

It retails at 250 pounds. Call me with sensible offers on 041 337 2871.

Neil McDonald
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: CRANKARMS % COMPATABILITY
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:27:27 GMT

Let me propose cranks as a reasonable word for the ubiquitous
CRANKARMS and group for GROUPSETS.  Some of the garbled words
spilled out by bike rags and shops should not be repeated so
often that they become the lowest common denominator
disirregardless of how often we we hear them or see them in print.
You laugh but the above word is heard often enough to soon be
regurgitated by Webster's Dictionary.  Irregardless already has
its place and its derivative soon will.  Fortunately this venerable
institution ignores bike jargon, else these redundundundant words
would long since have found space there.  Arguing against mentioning
English usage in this forum would be appropriate if such words
occurred rarely. They are not misspellings but awkward contractions
born of ill conceived marketing efforts to give bicycling a verbal
identity of its own.  We needn't follow as sheep and speak their
language.

Ride your bike-set!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 16:35:41 -0400 
From: Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 58cm Cannondale road bike fer sale


1990ish 58cm (like I said) Cannondale road bike
blue/white
mix of 600/105/RX100 components
good condition

Asking $400ish

Call Eric @ 371-3770ish

Donish
---
dp32@andrew.cmu.edu                     Gregory Peck/Hunter Thompson in '92. 
"We have bad news for you - Hell just froze over."
         - excerpt of a recent letter from home.
From: jeffd@hls.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: <None>
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:11:07 GMT

SR TCO mountain bike seatpost for sale.  I bought a Syncros Pro Post and do not
need the TCO.  I had this post on my Klien.  It is a 27.2 X 350mm.  I want 15
for it and can be reached by Email Jeffd@hls.com
From: mwkx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Sidi Challenger Shoes: Sole and cleat problems.
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:09:37 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

The sole of one of my Sidi Challenger shoes has started to come apart with the	
result that the cleat mounting plate spins around uselessly, making the use of 	
SPD pedals impossible. I have met one other person to whom this has happened.
1. Is our experience unique?
2. Are they covered by warranty.
3. Does this problem afflict the Sidi Dominator? I have had excellent service
from Sidi road shoes in the past and am reluctant to switch brands.

Morgan Kelly.
E-mail: mwkx@cornellc
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:41:29 GMT

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>David Wuertele writes:

>> I think I would ride faster if I had a girl mechanic!

>I'm heard of men who would rather play with girls than with women?
>Maybe you are into child molesting?

	In the past Mr. Brandt has reasonably argrued that personal
attaicks should not be part of discussions within rec.bicycles.*.  As I
have too good of an opinion of Mr. Brandt to believe that he thinks 
child sexual abuse is a joke, I must conclude that the above two 
sentences has no place in discussion in this group.  If I were Mr.
Wuertele my future discussions on this matter would be conducted through
legal council.

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Schindleria Praematurus)
Subject: Misc
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:10:00 GMT

  Hi all,

  Is there anyone out there in the newsgroup who lives in Colorado, preferably
Colorado Springs?  The reason I ask is because I need to get the phone
number for Century Bank in Colorado Springs.  (Living here in Germany is not
conducive to finding such information).  
  I need to call this bank because 1 week ago I wire-transferred a bunch of
money to pay for the Vitus 992 I ordered from Colorado Cyclist and, when
I last spoke with them on Friday and the money still wasn't there.  (Yes,
I'm quite anxious to get the bike!)
  Thanks in advance,

  Richard Brock
  BrockR@RFERL.ORG
  Munich Germany
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: 700c knobbies
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:17 GMT

In article <18onboINN5lv@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>
mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy) writes:
 
>
>Question about a hybrid??
>
>What I have in mind is to have my rear canti posts repositioned on my
>1980 stumpjumper to accommodate  a 700c/27" rear wheel while retaining
>the 26" front with a 1.5 tire inflated to 50-60 psi for shock absorbtion
>qualities.  I would use this bike exclusively for commuting and errands.
>
>I want to run a disk cover and drop bars with standard thumbies positioned
>to allow a semi comfy bar tops position.  But I plan on spending more time
>on the hoods or drops.
>
I think you're going to a lot of trouble for no gain whatsoever. 700c           s?
frame, and you'll upset the steering geometry of the bike. You'll also now
have to carry *two* sizes of spare tubes- and if you keep spare tires you'll
need two of those.
 
I think you'd be far better served by just using smaller tires front and
rear. You can get 26" wheel covers. Dia-Compe has drop levers that work
well with your existing brakes. And instead of running 50psi on the street,
which feels like pedaling through mud, run tires at higher pressure and
buy a Flexstem. It works pretty well at absorbing handlbar shock.
       --mike
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22453 rec.bicycles.misc:409
From: bennett@math.ksu.edu (Andy Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Date: 14 Sep 1992 11:33:24 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics) writes:

>  This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
>  of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
>  blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?

>  My commute is 10.5 miles each way; it normally takes 40-45 minutes with
>  lights.  I weigh about 160 (5'8").  I am in good shape, but I'm not a
>  racer: I cruise at about 15 - 16 (flat no wind) without breaking much of
>  a sweat or breathing heavilly.  This is on an LL Bean Acadia (cheap ATB),
>  with a lead-alloy frame.

I used to regularly donate blood on my way home from work. I had about a 4
mile ride left with a gradual uphill slope. I found I could ride without
difficulty as long as I took it easy. If I was late and started speeding up
I would regret it when I got home. I wouldn't want to go 10 miles after
donating based on that experience. I'd drive that day.


-- 
Andrew G. Bennett         bennett@math.ksu.edu         If you count too
Dept. of Mathematics      Voice: (913) 532-6750        much you turn
Kansas State University   Fax:   (913) 532-7004        purple.  -  SARAH
Manhattan, KS 66502       STRICTLY MY OWN OPINIONS                    
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mitroka@bms.com
Subject: Weight-loss program
Reply-To: mitroka@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:53:44 GMT

Does anyone out there have a good biking program for 
loosing weight (about 10 lbs) ?   Long and slow or short and fast?
Thanks/ Jim Mitroka   TInton Falls, NJ
From: LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Cheryl Lynn Lavertu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:01:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Judith Speck writes:

>Jobst, there is simply no way you can compare homosexual tendancies to
>mechanical inclination.  The traits are simply not on the same scale!

>Take your silly sexist BS someplace else.


I second that motion!
While growing up with four brothers, I "the dumb ol' girl" was never
given a chance to explore any mechanical ability, and thought I was
inept by nature.  Now that I'm married to a man who can't fix anything,
I've found that I can do lots of mechanical things, and to my
surprise, I really enjoy it.   Who knows what my level of skill would
be if I'd explored that aspect of myself while I was
a child,  if I'd been given the tools and had a mentor much like
being given music lessons and a teacher, or feeling free to watch and
learn as my brothers and their friends worked on bikes, cars, etc.
   Jobst may have been born knowing how to fix things, but except for
geniuses like him, most of us need a bit of guidance and instruction,
or at least some support and acceptance of our desire to try.
    When you wait until adulthood to gain the confidence
to develop your skills, you're probably not going to be at the
same level as those who started as a child, but it doesn't mean
that your inherent ability is less, IMHO.
                              Cheryl
"WORK TO EAT, EAT TO LIVE, LIVE TO BIKE, BIKE TO WORK"
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Mt. Bike advice needed!!!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:26:45 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hey there netters,

	Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm going to be in the market for a good
mountain bike in the near future, and I want to get some advice on those in the
$500-850 range.  What components should I look for, etc.  I will be using it
mostly for riding to school for the next year or so, but then I will be moving
to Colorado, so I want something which will be good on the trails.  I don't
necessarily need a bike that's good on the road -- the move to Colorado will
have more impact on my decision.  Please e-mail to x90watz@wmich.edu and I will
compile the results in the near future and post it to the group. 

Thanks in advance,

-Mike-
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: mind games
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 22:28:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <lashetINNitb@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> scheng@cs.utexas.edu (Sheila Cheng) writes:
>I have noticed this trend in my training.  There are lots of
>hills around here and some of them are rather steep.  Whenever,
>I am riding up what I consider a steep hill, I say to myself,
>"this is crazy. you don't want to do this again. remember how
>bad it feels!!"   However, after the ride, I almost immediately
>forget "how bad it felt".

>Maybe I am not making any sense.  Does anyone know what I am
>talking about ??
>
Sheila, yes -- you're crazy. But so are the rest of us so you're
in poor company. :-)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.racing
From: shawn@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Shawn Furgason)
Subject: Re: bugno wins the World Championship for the second time!
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:31:23 GMT

In article <h5snyb.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>Didn't we see a posting from Motorola that Lance Armstrong would
>be attending the Tour of Avenir or something instead of the World's?
>
>What happened?


I believe that posting was mine, and not from Motorola.  (An easy mistake because there
are several posts from a Motorola site here in Austin/Oak Hill, and Lance rides for 
Motorola.) Anyway, I haven't seen anything else in the paper here about the 
Tour of Avenir.  I think the "Austin American-Statesman" only ran the story because
Armstrong trains (or trained) here part time, therefore enabling a stretched claim about
a Texan and "Austinite" making good.  If the race has been run, and nothing was written, 
I can only speculate that Armstrong did not do well.  Like most American mediums, the 
"Statesman" concentrates on events in which Americans win.

Anybody have any *FACTS*??




-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Shawn Furgason                    |  Homey the Clown and
shawn@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu  |  Bill the Cat in '92
----------------------------------------------------------------
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RESULTS : World Championship Road Race; Brilliant Bugno; Millar sues
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


Gianni Bugno rescued his low-key season by retaining the world road race
championship in Benidorm yesterday (Sunday).  He becomes only the 4th
professional to defend the title successfully.

Meanwhile, Robert Millar (TVM), who did not compete in the chamionship
due to non-selection for the British team, is to initiate legal proceedings
against the British Cycling Federation.  Selection was based on the results
of the British pro national road race chamionship which Millar did not
attend, claiming tendinitis.

Only 90 from 192 competitors completed the 261 km course, run in temperatures
of 33C.

Results

1. Gianni Bugno (It) 6hr 34min 28sec (39.69kph, 24.81mph)
2. L. Jalabert (Fr)
3. D. Konyshev (Rus)
4. T. Rominger (Swit)
5. S. Rooks (Neth)
6. M. Indurain (Sp)
7. P. Ugrimov (Lat)
8. L. Leblanc (Fr)
9. L. Roosen (Bel)
10. J-F Bernard (Fr)

23. S. Roche (Irl) +2min 8sec
45. B. Smith (GB) +7:24
62. M. Earley (Irl) same time
63. S. Kelly (Irl) same time
83. H. Lodge (GB) +16:30

--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"Eat what you catch or put it back.  And don't go wasting
   a lot of words when a simple 'yup' will do"  -mid-west fishing ethic
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: bugno wins the World Championship for the second time!
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:56:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Didn't we see a posting from Motorola that Lance Armstrong would
be attending the Tour of Avenir or something instead of the World's?

What happened?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dkw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Wittenberg)
Subject: Re: Recumbant Bikes
Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.032951.3993@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu>, jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James Gillespie) writes:
|> I've been reading this group for a few days now, and I haven't seen much
|> mentioned in the way of recumbant bikes.  Are there any recumbant riders out
|> there?
|> 
There is a mailing list for hpvs (Human Powered Vehicles), which deals
mainly with recumbants.

hpv-request@sonoma.edu to join,

--David Wittenberg
From: gs7413@noah.sbc.com (Bert Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Slipping
Summary: Competence
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:13:28 GMT
Organization: Southwestern Bell - Arkansas

In article <3SEP199213195023@muvaxf.rferl.org>, brockr@muvaxf.rferl.org (The Delicate Sound of Thunder) writes:
> 
>   Whenever I get up out of the saddle, pedalling uphill, the chain starts
> slipping through the cogs.  If I pedal up the same hill sitting in the saddle
> I don't have this problem.  I've brought it back to the shop and they've
> fiddled with it on numerous occasions.  After rescuing the bike from the shop
> it works fine for about 30 km. Then, it starts slipping again.  
>   This problem obviously has to do with pressure being exerted but which
> component might be the culprit?  ANy ideas?  Thanks in advance

I had the same problem when I bought my new Cannondale R600/Shimano 105.
Took it back a couple of times with no success in solving the problem.

I took my bike to another bike shop and the problem is gone, hopefully,
forever.  They fixed it the first time in about 3 minutes.  How confident 
are you that this bike shop you frequent has competent mechanics?

Check it out,
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Bert Soto 				Southwestern Bell Telephone
Transmission Equipment Engineering        	    Little Rock, AR
(501)373-6459  	   peiges@ark.sbc.com  	        gs7413@noah.sbc.com
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: bugno wins the World Championship for the second time!
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:32:11 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems


Unless Bart has made the recovery of the century he is still resting from his
accident at the US Track Nationals. He and his partner both came off BAD in 
the tandem race. For more details see your local bike magazines. Bart is doing
OK as far as the last reports that I heard on him.

-- mike --

-- 
                 -=---------  Michael C. Whitman
               ---===-------  National System Engineer - Telecom
             -----=====-----  Pyramid Technology Corporation
           -------=======---  1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250
         ---------=========-  Vienna, VA 22182

	Phone: (703) 848-2050	Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300
	    mike@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com -or- uunet!pyrdc!mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal)
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.115544.1@mdcbbs.com>, royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers
EDS/Unigraphics) writes: 

>   This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
>   of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
>   blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?

To my experience it's no good excuse to take the car. I never felt anything 
"funny" after a donation. The people try to keep you for a few minutes 
afterwards and have a cup of coffee soup or lemonade. Maybe it would be a good 
idea to drink some water on a warm day to replace that half a liter but I was 
told you could loose about 3% of your body weigth on water (not blood) before 
there's anything noticeable in your performance.

I usually donate first thing in the morning and then commute the about 14kms in 
a non-racing pace.

Regards, <kees>

Kees  van der Wal		       e-mail: J.C.vanderWal@research.ptt.nl
From: machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Recommendations needed for Shaw's Lightweight Cycles
Keywords: shaws
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:42:18 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <LHXyqB1w163w@gcarter>  writes:
>The problem with Shaw's is that they are oriented toward
>short-term business relationships.  

I kinda don't think so. If this were true Shaw's would have gone out of
business a LONG time ago.  I've been a customer for about 1.5 years. 
If Shaw's does something I don't like, I tell them. They usually fix me up
just right. 

>As you might guess, this shop
>is located next to an expensive university to supply new 
>customers since the business strategy is to discourage long-term
>business.

Yeah, right. 

-- 

Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
From: sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov)
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.115544.1@mdcbbs.com> royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics) writes:
>  This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
>  of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
>  blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?
>
>  My commute is 10.5 miles each way; it normally takes 40-45 minutes with
>  lights.  I weigh about 160 (5'8").  I am in good shape, but I'm not a
>  racer: I cruise at about 15 - 16 (flat no wind) without breaking much of
>  a sweat or breathing heavilly.  This is on an LL Bean Acadia (cheap ATB),
>  with a lead-alloy frame.
>
>-- 
>Royce Myers			EDS Unigraphics
>royce@mdcbbs.com 		"Work is the curse of the drinking class"
>					-- W. C. Fields

I find that after donating blood, it takes a couple of days before excercising
(of any kind) feels okay again.  The day of and the day after donating, I feel
exhausted and a little run down, after 2 days I'm fine.  I'd recommend driving
just in case.  Maybe you could go for a ride afterwards near home to see how
your body handles donating blood.  Some people get light headed due to the loss
of blood volume, so whether you drive or ride, make sure you drink enough to
make up the volume in your bloodstream.

Sean

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles