From: pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:53:21 GMT
Organization: Club Amiga Montreal

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin) writes:
>: The question is, it's right or wrong, not serious non-serious. I know CBM 
>: associates non-democratic to serious. Did you think i was expecting an answer

>I don't know:  Were you?

The next line was reply, this comment is postsynchrone paradoxal.

>: You are just confirm than we can only receive information by respectable
>: people like Marc Barrett, who try to retablish democracy. Personnaly i think 

>Alright, I'm going to flame this one to hell.  Marc Barrett and
>respectable, after that last "fiasco", do NOT belong in the same
>sentence.  The man stretches the truth as faithfully as a damn geyser.

You fail on the instinctive association of Marc Barrett = Amiga enemy,
logically do you think CBM need enemy when they excelling to stop
developpement of a great potential was Amiga corp. machine. Do you think Marc
Barrett have time to loose of flaming the CBM vedgies, if is not because he's
frustrated, like many first time (1985) users and developpers, to see this
potential wasted. Open your eyes you are near find the thuth in Krishna.

>You wanna know what C='s working on?  Become a developer.  Do
>something for the Amiga.  You act like he's some insider--he's not.
>Get used to it.  But don't ask C= to jeopardize the future by spilling
>their guts on every little question you ask.  That's why developers
>are under non-disclosure, so that they can keep things secret--right
>or wrong.

Do you think only developper know what C='s doing, the only informations was
not spreaded at this time is source code (maybe?). CBM security is
professionnally like their marketing, etc. Under an extreme paranoia they
claim security for future developpement since all the competitor announce
long time before. They don't understand future announcement are related with
sale strategy. Maybe CBM marketer think they have to submit schematic for
press release. This paranoia is related to Tramiel vaporware era, now they
don't announce before but majority of user know they exist, and we see some
products never going out because out of date, like Lowell board. Of course,
registered developper can see what CBM doing, but nobody, developper or West
Chester team can predict when came out or what append. Only Gould decide, the
great dictator of Computer Bananas Monarchie.

>And it has nothing to do with being pro or anti-democratic.  Marc
>Barrett doesn't re-establish "democracy" with those kinds of posts, he
>brings anarchy into a newsgroup where people believe rumor as gospel
>and it takes a few people from C= to wipe away the shit being slung by
>people who know more than some, but not enough to make statements
>about anyone's future.

The information from Marc Barrett, look most credible, try to call Gail
Wellington for example, I know CBM since 7 year, and i see many tricky gamling
who are most related to CBM bad reputation then just vapoware wolf call. You
will receive noting for defend CBM, you are a victim, you need more experience
with CBM for understand that.

>: society with free information is most advanced than under military secret
>: politic for security (paranoia?) serious. Finally "fiasco" is not a serious

>Everyone has secrets.  The sky is blue, water is wet, people have
>secrets.  Some people profit from keeping things secret.  Get used to
>it, and stop complaining that C= has to hold your hand and tell you
>"Don't worry, we're doing everything we can for the Amiga.  It'll be
>okay."
C[A
If you don't have logical reason for secret, you fall in paranoia, nobody ask
for chip schematic or OS source code, and i'm sure nor Apple or IBM try to
copy via a spec announcement, at this time they don't know CBM exist.

>Do you think they OWE you?  Not.  They supply computers.  They make a
>profit, and in order to continue to make a profit they do what they
>can to stay competitive.

No but their (potential) & customer. They try to supply computers and the
future will lean.

>: word because it's not in usage in politician vocabulary, Apple IIgs, Next and
>: CDTV are not fiasco because serious company never admit it, this is arethoric
>: form called "SERIOUS".

>You call CDTV a "fiasco" and ask for a serious answer.  The word
>fiasco is not a "serious" term.  It's something used to make a mockery
>of something, such as Marc Barret's unmitigated post on the untimely
>demise of the CDTV, a unit he believed was a mistake, and should have
>been aborted long before birth.  It is not something one uses in a
>rhetorical or any other kind of question one expects a serious
>response from.

How much CDTV sale now, don't be afraid with word, a dog is a dog, Window 3.1
is not a fiasco. CDTV is a stupid concept, the software on that, is ridiculous
quality and the target market is wrong. This product have nothing to do with
computer but it can be better if marketed in the video club way like nitendo.

>: Sorry for the black eye, Jean Pepin

>There are greater things on heaven and earth than one could imagine.
>This only proves that there are also lesser things.

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