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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: choosing sides
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:34:36 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Dec12.090646.6707@netcom.com> lunatic@netcom.com 
(Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex) writes:

>    \/\/ell, I hope no one here thinks that I've "chosen sides."

Why would we think that?

>    ]['ve come back and been monitoring comp.sys.apple2 and posting
> here for the first time in a couple of months because I knew when
> I saw Ernie Moore's message up on GEnie that it's sure to have been
> posted here, as well.  I wanted to come on and correct what I could
> from that "transcript" as people were sure to be asking about a lot
> of the questionable things in it.  As one of the attendees of that
> meeting, I felt a certain obligation to the Apple II community at
> large to provide what first-hand insights I could.

And I think your insight, as one of the attendees, is valuable.

>    /-\fter seeing all this flak, though, it's not too likely that
> I'll be sticking around again for that much longer.  This newsgroup
> has proven itself consistently to be a great sinkhole full of
> negativity, flames, and prejudice.  The Apple II community should
> be doing its best, right now, to pull together and have everyone
> help each other.  Instead, here all we get is petty bickering.
> Come on, people, I'm sure you can all do better than that.

I hope you don't let the noise in the signal get to you.  There is a whole
lot of junk on the net, this is true.  But there are also a lot of people
with a lot to contribute who can't/won't get for-pay services such as 
CI$, GEnie, or AOL.  When you say "...all we get..." I think thats pretty
unfair: like I said, there is a lot of trash, but there is a lot of worth-
while stuff as well.  I think Matt D. was right on the ball when he suggested
that people are more willing to flame on the Internet than the pay services
because Internet is free.  One of the drawbacks, I guess.  In "retaliation"
I've just become very experienced at determining when to hit "k" I suppose :)

Well, -I- hope you don't give up on comp.sys.apple2.  I'll miss your postings,
your insight, and most of all your goofy capitol letters ;)

>  /         -= Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex     (:      /
> /  lunatic@netcom.com  GEnie: LUNATIC  CI$: 76170,672  /
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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: Trashed Hard Disk
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:19:48 GMT

Error $51 is the common directory damaged error... Deliverance *should* fix
this if you have it "Fix all Problems"... It worked for me... It will put all
your bad blocks into a file called BAD.BLOCKS.001, and your problems will
disappear until you delete that file... so run Deliverance, and do not
delete the Bad Blocks file..
From: st1q9@elroy.uh.edu (Devine, Della M)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: connecting APPLE IIc+ to Hayes Optima 2400?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:09 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

  I'm having some problems connecting my Hayes Optima 2400 to
my Apple IIc+ computer.  I can get it to connect to my IIc+ and dial and 
everything, but nothing gets echoed to my screen.  The Send and Receive 
lights blink like they are supposed to but nothing goes to my screen.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: re-entrant programs
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:20:06 GMT

dockery@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (Sean Dockery) writes:

>I have often heard the term describing software to be "re-entrant."
>The context under which I have heard it most used was an opinion that
>the Apple IIgs tools and GS/OS would be easier to work with if they
>were re-entrant.
>Would someone please enlighten me with the answers to the following:
>	o What qualifies an application as re-entrant?

Well, normally you use the term "reentrant" for routines (or algorithms).
Of course, "routine collections" like an OS or a Toolbox or a Library
can also be called reentrant, meaning that all their routines are
reentrant.
Reentrance means that you may, for example, interrupt a routine, and,
while it is interrupted, call it again (this can be nested ad infinitum,
of course :)

>	o What are some examples of re-entrant software?

Unix kernals. 

>	o What are some advantages and disadvantages of an application
>	   that is re-entrant?

Well, as I said, routines are reentrant, not applications. The advantage
is: In a multitasking environment, more than one process can use the
routine at the same time. Disadvantage: Making routines reentrant requires
more thought on the part of the programmer who writes them.

>	o Are re-entrant applications significantly larger that
>	   others that perform the same task?

Larger, perhaps. I doubt significantly larger. Anyway, the advantages you
get more than weigh up the small discomfort of having (perhaps) slightly
bigger routines.

Soenke
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From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IIGS sampler software?
Summary: the usual
Keywords: words which summarize the content
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:22:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes...

>Use AudioZap 1.2 with the card type set to 'HyperStudio'.  Works great with
>homebrew-type digitizers.  (ftp cco.caltech.edu, pub/apple2/sound or 
>pub/apple2/util).

Where can one find the newer AudioZap 1.2.1? :)

Speaking of which, are you holding off on AudioZap 2.0 until Econ releases the
SoundMeister card, so it too can be supported in AZ? I'm sure it'll include 
it's own sampling software, but it'd be nice for (true) 44.1 Khz sampling and
playback in AZ! 

>        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
>  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
>"..there is another large cross section of users that think the Apple front
>office is infested with morons and dimwits" - Ernie Moore, Project Apple Storm

Mitchell Spector 
spector@vax2.concordia.ca
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Printer driver information.
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:45:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.052917.43067@slate.mines.colorado.edu>,
gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC) wrote:
> 
> 
>     O.K.  So I look through all the books I have at the IDs and I nowhere
> see which one is a Printer port or a Modem port let alone a Remote Print
> Manager or Printer interface. (The Console driver I got of course.).  The
> names I get are SCSI printer, Serial printer, Serial LaserWriter, Character
> devic driver(generic), ect.  Nothing about Printer port or Modem port or
> any of the others.(well again exclude Console driver.)  AQm I missing
> somthing?  What gives?  Is how to get the other names given in the driver
> manual?(Something I thought you only needed for programming drivers.)  Is
> there other ways of doing this?  Anything would be helpful.

Hmm...GS/OS Reference isn't very helpful here, is it?  I'm looking at
the "standard" device ID list on page 122.

Well, the key is to use some extra common sense (above what you normally
have to use just to get the stuff to work).  You should find that $0009
means "serial port set to modem" and $000B means "serial port set to
printer."  Remember, you can change ports 1 or 2 between "Printer, modem,
your card" and (on ROM 3) "AppleTalk".  If you really want to know,
check the slot numbers.  Internal ports 1 and 2 have to be the serial
ports, since there aren't going to be more IIgs machines.

============================================================================
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Personal mail only -- please POST technical questions, questions about
Apple and its policies, where to find documents and related inquiries.
The opinions I express don't represent Apple, which makes us both happy.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Subject: Re: QWK reader..
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:09:25 GMT

In article <n123at@ofa123.fidonet.org> Brenden.Gilbert@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>      I just completed the s16 version of QWK-GS the shell command I 
>put up on Comp.Binaries.Apple recently.  It is completely menu-driven and

I know this is a basic question but: What is QWK? A mail format, a mail
reader????

Paul Schultz
schultp@wl.com

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From: YCSG306@LSUVM.BITNET (Mark Orr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:13:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


|From:         Mary Louise Cassidy
|              <haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!mary@AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV>
|Subject:      Re: Does apple [" GS software work using the apple [" emulator
|
|And does anyone else know of any DSK sites since cco.caltech.edu was
|forced down????  Let me know...I want Airheart!!

Excuse moi...I am the one that identified those "DSK" files on
cco.caltech.edu as pirated software to the sysadmins at caltech.

Are you aware that "Airheart" (and all the other "DSK" files on cco)
is pirated Apple II software, and that the existance of such repositories
of pirate software is illegal? Obviously not.

You emulator people must have no moral objections to stealing at all!!!

When I helped "force down" the incoming directory on cco, it was the second
time they had placed pirated software on that FTP site.

We Apple II users are not going to tolerate it. I know that if I see
nyet@cco.caltech.edu put up another incoming directory to be filled with
"pirate wares" (or anyone else at any other site) I am going to inform
the sysadmins forthwith!!! And I know a lot of II users on this net would
do the same!

+------------------------------+    "We were having a great time, but
|  Mark A. Orr                 |     Macintosh wasn't selling that well.
|  YCSG306  @ LSUVM.BITNET     |     The Apple II was paying our way."
|  cs229078 @ bit.csc.lsu.edu  |            - Guy Kawasaki
+------------------------------+              (from The Macintosh Way)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: muller@world.std.com (James L Muller)
Subject: Re: Pascal on a ][+
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.020104.24703@cs.uow.edu.au> david@cs.uow.edu.au
   (David E A Wilson) writes:
>According to my Pascal 1.3 manual this version will run on a 64k ][ or ][+.
>(I assume by 'OLD Apple Pascal' 1.1 was being described). Certainly a 80 col
>card would be desirable and two drives almost mandatory. Pascal 1.3 is US$69
>from Resource Central.

I've been using Apple Pascal since 1983, and though some people knock it
pretty hard sometimes (well, it isn't UNIX), I like it.  It will run on
practically any ][ with the language card, but the //e version from 1.2
onward offer a 128k version that uses the auxiliary memory to allow larger
programs.  Version 1.3 also recognizes a SCSI interface to a hard disk,
though Apple's newer Hi-Speed SCSI Card with DMA will not work; you have
to get an older (REV B, or is it REV C?) Apple SCSI card.  Resource Central
sold me a hard disk, the SCSI card, and version 1.3 when I needed to migrate
my application (a big mailing-list database) to more disk space.  I was
*immensely* pleased with their support.

One more item.  I have written a package of graphics routines and programs
to create and manipulate shapes in Pascal for the ][ or // hi-res screen.  It
all runs under the Turtlegraphics unit, and so is compatible with anything
that runs that unit.  At one time I intended to put it up for sale, but the
commercial opportunities for it seem to be long gone.  (I have no intention
of spending any advertising money on it.)  It is available to anyone here
if you are interested.  Drop me a line and I'll send you a description.
If anyone has some idea for distribution, I'm open to suggestion.
I have other things available too, such as a signal-processing unit and
various games I've written.  I'm willing to swap anything interesting
(meaning stuff you've written, not pirated).

Thanks,
-- 
Jim Muller  muller@world.std.com
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: pointless pointers?
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:57:26 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya,
	I just got pointless (finally!) the other day and yesterday, finally
broke down and printed something from Appleworks GS, and was devastated by the
quality (etc etc) and now have this great urge to find lots of TrueType fonts. 
Any pointers and tips on converting Mac/IBM ones to my GS?  (Please don't tell
me it's in the faq, please, pretty please?)
	Anyway, in one of my tests, using courier, part of one letter
"infringed" on another letter (separated by a space), using a 12 point size. 
Is that a bug with pointless (courier was supplied by them) or was that another
of AppleWorks GS bugs?  Also, is there any way to make the default font _not_
Geneva?
	Thanx for any help.  Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: .QWK readers
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:25:43 GMT

jlars@pro-storm.cts.com (John Larson) writes:


>   I am wondering if there is a version of the .QWK program that will work
>on the //E.

No, but you could probably easily write one. The .QWK format does not seem
complicated.

Soenke
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From: tim.c@pro-freedom.cts.com (Tim Craven)
Subject: Re: where do I get Operating systems updates?
Date: 18 Dec 92  3:52:52 GMT 
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

You can download them from America On Line and I think Genie

tim

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From: fuller@blurt.oswego.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple //+ disk drive - WANTED
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:50:03 GMT
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY


	A friend of mine is looking for an Apple //+ disk drive.  Does anyone
know of a good source to order one from or have one on hand that they would
like to part with?
	Thanks...

Lawrence Fuller
State University of New York
Chemistry Department
Oswego, NY  13126            (315)341-2744 (w)

Internet:  Fuller@ Blurt.Oswego.edu
Bitnet:    Fuller@snyoswva
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: NuLib v3.23 now available
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:50:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <9212132358.AA26544@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>    I keep getting permission errors when I tried untarring NuLib.  It
>won't let me create the files because I don't own them.  Is there some flag
>in tar I don't know about?  -o and -p don't seem to help.

Your version of tar must be brain-dead; I've never seen this happen before.

Do you have problems with all "tar" archives, or just this one?  Can you
unpack tar archives from other users on your machine?

>-- Real name: Brian Tao (Dept. of Exobiology, University of Toronto)

-- 
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[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:01:32 EST

philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes:

> In article <H6TkVB8w165w@bluemoon.use.com> cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew
> >~15% is the most common figure I hear from industry (computer industry, 
> >not "Apple" or "PC" industries).
> 
> Well this won't seem to go away so why don't we try to define the question.
> Would you please tell me the meaning of "market" in 15% of marketshare?

That's 15% of the desktop systems... (I _think_ that's in use, but it 
_might_ be sold...)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: IDE Drives
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:47:30 GMT

In article <behrenss.724329835@hphalle6> behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:
>
>>	Yeah, that would be ideal, except then it would take some
>>bucks to get the cables made.  Maybe if the 40 pins could be condensed
>>into 25, and you a straight through db25....
>
>Ungh. Why the effort? The card comes with a cable (so ok, it's a ribbon
>cable), put the one end on your dirve in the case, and the other end on
>your card. Voila', you are all set.

	I don't know, to be aesthically pleasing?  Having an
unshielded ribbon cable, attached to an HD out in the open with a
power supply isn't the nicest way to have a HD.  Trust me on this one,
I ran my 100 for about a year before I got a case... :)

	It seems rather silly to purchase an external HD that comes in
two pieces...

	Of course, as of now, the external IDE drive packaging hasn't
been set, so please don't assume that the above is true.

>More than silver, more than gold, I need   !    behrenss@informatik.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:25703 comp.sys.mac.system:15320
From: tnakada@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Nakada)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Where to get the Mac ProDOS file system extension
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:34:09 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY) writes:
> Can someone tell me site, directory, and file name where I can get the Mac
> ProDOS file system extension?
> --
> Randy
> cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu

If you are referring to the IIe files necessary to run ProDOS disks using
the IIe card in the LC then:

ftp.apple.com
/aii/lc.iiecard/iie-installer-disk-image.hqx
/aii/lc.iiecard/iie-startup-disk-image.hqx

If you're referring to something else... I'd be interested in knowing as well!

Happy Holidays!

Tom

tnakada@eis.calstate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: prophet@cheshire.oxy.edu (Dale B. LaFountain)
Subject: Re: Send/Receive FAX Modems for GS
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:58:30 GMT

In article <9212130834.AA16580@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall) writes...
>> 
>> On a related note, I am curious as to what faxmodems people with GS's out
>> there have.
>
>    I'm using a SupraFaxModem v.32bis.
>

Me dittoum.  Only the modem part so far, though. :)

>    A fax driver which looks and acts like a printer driver would be, IMHO,
>the only rational way to implement the sendfax.  I would also like to see a
>simple utility which will let you quickly open $C1 and APF graphics, text
>files and AppleWorks WP files and send them off.  This would save the
>trouble of running a full-blown application just to send a couple of faxes.
>
>    An application version of the receive fax NDA would be nice too, in
>case the NDA conflicts with something already in the System folder.
>

I concur.  A printer-like fax driver sounds like the most flexible way
to send faxes.  An NDA or INIT that watches for faxes and then prompts
if you want to receive it now and relinquish (hmm, that word looks
weird) control of your machine would be pretty cool too.  However,
there might be some pretty low ceilings around when it comes to
buffering the received fax, if you know what I mean...

>-- Real name: Brian Tao (Dept. of Exobiology, University of Toronto)
>-- Preferred: 90taobri@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca (checked daily)

Just my $.02,

Dale
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
Subject: 6.0-hip icon editor?
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:23:24 GMT

Hi all,

What tools are available for editing icons under System 6? At minimum I'd
like to be able to use a resource editor to extract icons into an old-style
icon file, where I could edit them with IconEd or DicEd. (I took a stab at
this with ResLin but couldn't get IconEd to read the extracted file.)

TIA,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: Stop IBM Pirate Lamers!
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:52:24 GMT

In article <bazyar.724366815@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:
>
>>Ok, here's the situation:  IBM pirate lamers running an Apple II+ emulator
>>have stuffed pub/nyet/apple2em/ on cco.caltech.edu with copyright disk images
>>and ROM images.  Todd Whitesel can do nothing about this since that's not
>>his area of the archive.  Therefore, if as many of you as possible
>>send protest mail to the following, something might get done:
>
>  Forget that, find out where they've got the ROM image stored and
>send a note to SW.LICENSE@applelink.apple.com.

	I think the point was to avoid getting cco.caltech taken down,
because of the ROM images...  

> Jawaid Bazyar              |   Ask me about the GNO Multitasking Environment

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