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From: rudis+@cs.cmu.edu (Rujith S DeSilva)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Computers & chess ethics
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:47:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul23.154713.205571
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <palane.711820878@pv7428.vincent.iastate.edu> palane@iastate.edu
(Paul A. Lane) writes:
> When I go to a concert, I expect to hear live musicians, even though someone
> could put together a sound system and play a recording. When I go to a chess
> tournament, it's to play a person.  At $5/game, I deserve better.

Although several people have stated the above sentiment, I don't understand it
at all.  When you sit down to play a game at a tournament, does it make a
difference who/what is `seated' opposite you?  I know that you play the
opponent, and not the pieces on the board, but as long as the opponent gives
you a decent game, does it matter whether it picks its nose or is plugged into
a wall socket?

I'm not cricizing the wish to play a human, but merely trying to find the
reason you prefer to do so.  Personally, I would respect a worthy opponent
irrespective of its construction.

Rujith de Silva.
Carnegie-Mellon University.
From: lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Louis Blair)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad?
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:18:22 GMT
	<Brz6J9.GqM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Daniel Sears writes:
>his decision
>to come out of retirement to play a match in Serbia is repugnant.

Marc E. Talbot writes:
>My guess would be that the money was a much bigger factor
>than the location,

Big money has been offered to Fischer many times before.  My
guess is that Fischer agreed to play because someone finally
agreed to the match conditions that he insisted on seventeen
years ago:  First to win ten games, draw if score becomes 9-9.
From: reynolds@physics.ucla.edu (Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Reshevsky Memorial Games
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:32:14 GMT
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics

Does anyone have any of the games from the recent Reshevsky Memorial
Tournament in New York recently.  Someone posted the results. Thanks
very much, but I would love to see some of the games.

Anthony Reynolds
reynolds@physics.ucla.edu
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From: Howard Kushner <KUSHNER%NKI.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      mail from rec.games.chess
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:55:56 GMT



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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.153212.94@ipact.com> pals@ipact.com writes:
>Although I'm not as critical of the Colle, I also like the idea of
>getting the QB in the game.  I used to play the Colle, but had more
>success after I started playing Bf4 early (London System - reversed).
>Although the London has not been played as much by strong GMs as the
>Torre has, it has been used at that level.  David Bronstein used it
>occasionally, and there was a flurry of interest in it among contemporary
>world-class GMs (including Kasparov) some years back as a system against
>the King's Indian.  [This makes sense, as the London System with the
>Black pieces is a system against the King's Indian Reversed, so the
>London System Reversed is a system against the King's Indian!]

I believe that Smyslov used this system at least once in the
1953 Zurich tourney (against Averbakh? - memory fades).  Bronstein
mentions that he has "pirated points with this variation" for some
time.

A couple years ago I was looking for lines against the KID and
came upon this game.  I hated playing the Bg5 lines against
kingside fianchetto!  They were so boring (to me) that I felt
I had to give up chess completely.  The London System helped a
little, but changing back to 1.e4!!! helped the most.  I lost
more games, but fell asleep less.

-Mark
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: J. Polgar and Olympiad, NOT!
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:37:21 GMT


Evidently the Hungarian Federation and the Polgars disagreed about the
size of the fee that the Polgars were to receive.
From: cyoon@utdallas.edu (Chang K. Yoon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Can anyone see why this move is illegal?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:09:38 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas

Hi!  I've been playing a game through email with a friend and recently, I
put the moves through notation and it chocked on line 13, black (my) move.
Anyway, I couldn't see why it said that my move was illegal, so I thought
that maybe notation was broken, so I put it through gnuchess, and it too
would not allow me to make the move.  Can anyone see why?  Here's the board:

    WHITE
 H G F E D C B A

 r - - k q - - r 1
 - p - p - p p p 2
 p - n - p - - - 3
 - - - p - - - - 4
 - P P P n b - - 5
 - - - B P N - - 6
 P - - - - P P P 7
 - K R - Q - - R 8

       BLACK

My move (black) was d6xc5 (taking the bishop).  Was d6xc5 illegal?  Thanks.

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Is the Kings Gambit any good?
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:52:34 GMT
Organization: City University, London

I read in a chess openings book that the Kings Gambit had
been poplular in the last century, but refuted at the
higher levels and had therefore gone out of fashion.
However (the book continued) since it is now lesser known
it can be used by the casual player (like me) for a bit
of fun.

What is net.experience of the Kings Gambit in action and
is it good to use because it is out of fashion?

--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Computers & chess ethics
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:02:33 GMT

In <EePg7mX0BwxVERKF16@transarc.com> Bruce_Leverett@TRANSARC.COM writes:

>>Both a human and a computer are limited by budgets. The computer by what its
>>designer can afford in the way of RAM and disk space; the human by how much
>>he can blow on books. If you wish to make an equivalence, establish a space
>>limit for both sides (the computer gets so many bits, the human so many pages

>No.  When I'm playing correspondence and I want to look up an opening in a 
>book that I don't have, I go to the library or borrow from a friend.  No 
>budget. No limit.  No equivalence.

This comment deliberately ignores the suggestion and goes for a straw man.
In a tournament situation, one could not simply run out to the library or
call a friend to borrow a book. There ARE time limits. This is not correspon-
dance chess.

Furthermore, limiting the online database to the volume of reference material
establishes a definite limit with EXACT equivalence.

>>Simple solution. Computers are for training. When I go to a concert, I expect
>>to hear live musicians, even though someone could put together a sound system
>>and play a recording. When I go to a chess tournament, it's to play a person.
>>If I want to play a game against a computer, I'll whip out my copy of CM2100
>>or Sargon and sit down at the computer. At $5/game, I deserve better.

>What a simple solution, indeed.  No computers in tournaments, ever.  Can't
>believe I didn't think of this.  Could have saved 25 years of trouble.
>(Reminds me of the ``simple solution'' to acne involving a guillotine.)

Again, ignores thrust of argument. (Notably, that $5 for a game against a
chess computer is a waste of money.) Furthermore, this does not necessarily
eliminate computers from all tournaments. However, tournaments bearing on 
state championships and the like should be human only. Set up a separate
championship for "mixed doubles."

Paul A. Lane
From: trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:06:21 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302

Yugoslavia has always, at least since the age of Fischer, been a hotbed
of chess popularity, and Bobby Fischer has always realized and
respected that, as he has said and has been mentioned in the
literature.  I don't have the refs handy, but I defy anyone to
disagree.  He was pleased when he went there in 1959 to play in the
candidates matches, that people were chess-crazed, recognizing players
in the streets and such.  He returned to play there several times and I
remember him saying that he was fond of the place, and knowing how he
puts chess at the center of the universe, I can't see how anyone would
find that odd.  Also, Chess Informant et al have been published in
Yugoslavia for the past 25 years.  My point is that Yugoslavia would
want to see Fischer because they are big chess fans, and Fischer would
want to pick Yugoslavia for the same reason.

As for Yugoslav politics, UN sanctions, and so on, comparing that
situation to the one in hitler's germany is unreasonable.  In today's
Yugoslavia there is a violent battle going on between factions who
want to conquer each other, this was not the case in hitler's germany.
Today, most people look at the hitler as being clearly wrong.  In the
Yugoslav case, it is not so easy to choose a side, though one who is
not involved can easily say that fighting is wrong.

To hold up UN or FIDE sanctions as holy writ is also unreasonable, as
both of these organizations are heavily and negatively biased by local
interests, and their positions flap in the wind of changing politics.
There are plenty of places in the world that crawl with injustice that
the UN and FIDE have no problem with.  To adhere to UN or FIDE
sanctions is only to align with their politics, it has no bearing on
right or wrong.

It is certainly reasonable to be interested in watching these two
50-year old men play a chess match, a rematch of the most popular
chess championship ever played, twenty years later.  War
notwithstanding, Yugoslavia is a sensible place for it, considering
the position of chess in their culture.

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jose@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca 
Subject: ftp sites
Reply-To: jose@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca 
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:03:12 GMT

Hi Netters,

	Is there any ftp site wherefrom examples of some famous chess games can be retrieved?
  Thanks in advance for this information

		jose

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mwilkie@metz.une.edu.au (Mary Wilkie)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer-Spassky
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:27:39 GMT


 Peter Parr's chess column in todays Sydney Morning Herald announces a
Fischer- Spassky return match beginning  Sept 1st in Belgrade with a prizefund o
 of A$5.5 million. No other details given.
Mary.
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:36
Organization: Private Coherent 3.2.1 site waiting for 4.0

trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:
> Yugoslavia has always, at least since the age of Fischer, been a hotbed
> of chess popularity, and Bobby Fischer has always realized and
> respected that, as he has said and has been mentioned in the
> literature.  I don't have the refs handy, but I defy anyone to
> disagree.

I dare to, since you are mixing the terms: "Yugoslavia" in the past is
not equal to present Yugoslavia. Think of how many tournaments were
performed in Portoroz (now Croatia).

I think playing in Croatia would have been the right step.

--ralf
------------------------------------------------- please ignore next sig!
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad?
Keywords: disgust
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:20:34 GMT
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Liberty Corner NJ

In article <7_km#ck.sears@netcom.com> sears@netcom.com (Daniel Sears) writes:

> Bobby Fischer was one of my idols as I grew up.  But his decision
> to come out of retirement to play a match in Serbia is repugnant.
> I wonder how he can reconcile this decision with religious beliefs.

I haven't seen any calls to boycott ECO or the Informants, either.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
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From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.093723.12747@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.105407.36@swvcc.wvnet.edu> cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu (Allen Farley) writes:
>>Hi!
>>
>>I'm posting this for a friend:
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>What is white's best line against the Alekhine Defense (1. e4 Nf6)? I'd like to
>>use your responses in our club newsletter, with your permission of course.
>>
>>Tim
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Definetely 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 and +-

If only life were so easy! 

While I don't play the Alekhine as Black (my own repertoire tends
towards the French, Sicilian, Petroff, and a few other lines against
1.e4), I don't think it's yet possible to say that it's been refuted.
While in one postal game I'm involved in I'm using that line, it's still
at move 5, so no comment yet.

Anyone who's interested should definitely see Lev Alburt's book on the
subject; also, there is a 1977 Chess Digest pamphlet which isn't too
bad, but isn't nearly as good as Alburt's work (Alburt uses the Alekhine
as virtually his only reply to 1.e4).


-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman  <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> or <eric@lyra.Colorado.EDU> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: stark@cs.sunysb.edu (Eugene Stark)
Subject: Re: ICS
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook Computer Science Dept.
	<1992Jul28.183550.22929@ima.isc.com>
	<1992Jul28.213743.14906@nntp.uoregon.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:14:52 GMT

>would mean alot of recoding.  If something like that were to be done,
>I would prefer to rewrite the entire game into an event-driven system,
>which I believe would solve practically all of the problems that
>exist currently.
>
>  -Aaron Putnam

YES!
From: capsa@igc.org (CAPSA)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Nigeria in Olympiad?
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:04:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul20.185047.57371@cc.usu.ed:1805271026:cdp:1451600012:000:1137
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Jul 22 22:04:00 1992


Following are the results of the African teams in the last Olympiad:
Men:
 56. Tunisia (28-28)
 63. South Africa (27-29)
 64. Egypt (26.5-29.5)
 66. Algeria (")
 74. Angola (26-30)
 76. Nigeria (25.5-30.5)
 77. Morocco (")
 83. Uganda (25-31)
 84. Mauritius (")
 86. Botswana (24.5-31.5)
 89. Zimbabwe (23.5-32.5)
 95. Mali (22-34)
102. Seychelles (14-42)
Women:
 54. Algeria (18.5-23.5)
 58. Nigeria (14.5-27.5)
 59. Angola (11.5-30.5)
 62. Seychelles (5-36).
Sorry, but I'm too lazy to dig out the games and load them.

I was VERY pleased that the FIRST South African team (rather than European
team whose players were resident in South Africa) came in just under 50% and
finished second in Africa, especially because the Europeans who call themselves
South Africans complained bitterly about the composition of the team, as "not
representative".  Our top board (a "black") scored 4.5-6.5, including a win over
Hernandez (ELO 2495) of Mexico.  From MY point of view, the score of Uganda (my
second team) was most disappointing, but the brothers were hampered by having a
four-player squad (MONEY problems).

Fraternally,

Jerry Bibuld
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From: jhc@iris.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: more swimming with fish
Reply-To: jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.043815.25382@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:
>With both Dr. Coombs and NM Baker quiet, it's time for more swimming
>with the fish.  Gluttons for punishment may want to read everything.

I just got back from two weeks in San Francisco (working most of the
time).  I did see about five boards down town somewhere, near a cable
car terminus, I think.  A couple of people had brought folding chairs
and tables.  Looked like blitz for bucks.  There must be more pleasant
places to play, and there must be more chess than that in SF.  I
haven't seen many tournaments in Chess Life for that area (not that I
really know the cities that are close to SF).  I get the sense that
Boston offers more chess.  How about those of you down around Palo
Alto?  Where do you go?  --Jim
From: jmcd@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (John McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Yugo Fischer, I go Fishin'
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:51:10 GMT
Organization: Center for EUV Astrophysics



At the risk of taking this into a political discussion, why
is this Fischer-Spassky event going to take place in Yugoslavia?

Is that guy the only man who offered 5 million for Fischer's 
return?

And is it a violation of UN sanctions against Yugoslavia?

Something tells me the press coverage won't be so good because
of the war....

j


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From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Subject: Re: Can anyone see why this move is illegal?
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Organization: NASA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.190938.1055@utdallas.edu>, cyoon@utdallas.edu (Chang K. 
Yoon) writes:

> Hi!  I've been playing a game through email with a friend and recently, I
> put the moves through notation and it chocked on line 13, black (my) move.
> Anyway, I couldn't see why it said that my move was illegal, so I thought
> that maybe notation was broken, so I put it through gnuchess, and it too
> would not allow me to make the move.  Can anyone see why?  Here's the board:
> 
>     WHITE
>  H G F E D C B A
> 
>  r - - k q - - r 1
>  - p - p - p p p 2
>  p - n - p - - - 3
>  - - - p - - - - 4
>  - P P P n b - - 5
>  - - - B P N - - 6
>  P - - - - P P P 7
>  - K R - Q - - R 8
> 
>        BLACK
> 
> My move (black) was d6xc5 (taking the bishop).  Was d6xc5 illegal?  Thanks.
> 


I can't see anything illegal about that move. Perhaps the notation wasn't 
accepted. Try dxc5, dxc, or dc. That's all I could think of now. 


> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> Chang Yoon                            |  DISCLAIMER:  My thoughts (and no 
one
> cyoon@utdallas.edu                    |  else's)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> "Excuse me, but isn't that taken directly from _Emperors of Melcena and
> Malloria_?" ---  "Naturally.  Plagiarism is the first rule of scholarship."
> -- Sorceress of Darshiva
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Always good to see a person who read Eddings.


------------------------
       John Paul Phillips   
             "Azjohn"         
         NASA/Langley        
azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Summary: Karpov?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution:     world
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:12:44 GMT

Eric Schiller writes:
>The logical path for Fischer is Spassky (piece of cake), Karpov (to qualify
>as a Contender), Anand (to earn a title shot), then Kasparov (possibly
>after playing the loser of Timman-Short).

I think Fischer might have such a thought, only his intention is to ignore
Karpov, as insignificant or whatever.  Classic bit of revenge.

The best explanation I've heard for the match is that Reshevsky dying shook
Fischer up, and Tal dying blew him away; he is snapped back by a jolt of
mortality.

So maybe he'll win the match, buy nice mausoleums for Sammy and Mischa and
then disappear again?  Classy.

--Elliott
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From: fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu)
Subject: Fischer rumor(?)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:59:25 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

If you are in the US, there is an article on page 3 of Saturday's
New York Times.  Looks like it might very well happen this time.
There is supposedly a video taped statement by Fischer coming
out today (July 25).  Check the CNN and the newwork news today...
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Re: Castling and Check
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:36:12 GMT

ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass) writes:
>... I want 'super-castling' *only* if it is with the rook of the
>opposite color. ;-)

But then you're still in check.  :-) :-)

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:52:49 GMT

In article <2a782884wnr070@ark.abg.sub.org> ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:
>
>I dare to, since you are mixing the terms: "Yugoslavia" in the past is
>not equal to present Yugoslavia. Think of how many tournaments were
>performed in Portoroz (now Croatia).
>
>I think playing in Croatia would have been the right step.
>
>--ralf

Just a small correction: Portoroz is in Slovenia.

Sven

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