From: pankow@yoda.fsl.noaa.gov (glen pankow)
Subject: Re: bad idea to post pictures of Miyazawa Rie
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA, Boulder CO, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:56:25 GMT


In article <35966@twics.co.jp> dcroz@twics.co.jp (DAVID CROSSLIN) writes:
> Glen Pankow (pankow@fsl.noaa.gov) writes:
> 
> =}those so shameful of their work that they do not identify themselves by 
> =}name. . .and those posts by dcroz (although it appears that recently he's
> =}starting to identify himself)).
>  
>      The following is an excerpt from a message I received from the sysadmin
> at my node:
>  
> ***************
>  
>      I think what he means about "anonymous" is that your name doesn't appear
> in the headings of the notes you post.  You can set that up, if you want, by
> doing this: 
>  
>         *BEE command,?> MAIL 
>         MAIL> SET PERSONAL_NAME "xxxx yyyy" 
>         MAIL> EXIT 
>  
> We don't do it by default because we try to take a more strict view of member 
> confidentiality than most systems.  I don't know if that's good or bad, but
> it was necessary after an incident a few years back. 
>  
> ****************

I'm glad that you're no longer leaning on the crutch of any past bad incidents.
You should be commended.  However, your node's sysadmin could have noted that
there are other ways for one to identify oneself in one's posts.  But of
course it's not his job to babysit your postings.  You could have gleaned the
secrets of these methods from the hundreds of postings in s.c.j.

And from what I recall about your posts, you had abundant opportunity to
consider switching to using these techniques.  There were several posts where
the question "who is this dcroz guy?" arose.  Your response was something like
"I don't need to tell you, so there!".

These recollections are based on postings long deleted from our newserver, so
they could be in error.  If you or anyone reading this knows of an archive of
s.c.j., I'll be happy to look up and post the complete references, and
appologize if I am in error.

 
>      There's nothing in my notes that I'm ashamed of, bunky.  And I haven't
> seen any solid rebuttal, either.  Mostly just, "You're a jerk for saying that,
> jerks are always wrong, ergo you're wrong too."  Very impressive.
>  
> =}Such postings should be clearly labeled as being pollution.
>  
>      Opinions you disagree with are "pollution."  How very, *very* open-minded
> of you.  And ad hominem attacks on people posting opinions you disagree with
> are not worthy of mention when cataloging "net.crimes."
>  
>      Interesting.

The purpose of my original posting was hardly to mount a point-by-point attack
on the content (or lack thereof) of your earlier postings.  You may not have
seen any "solid rebuttal" by me (or by Bunky, whoever he is), but others have
posted some.

And yes, it is my (possibly polluted) opinion that many of the opinions thrust
upon us in s.c.j. are garbage.  Ye gods forbid that I should bring back the
concept of relativism of culture, now there's the concept of relativism of
opinions???
 

> =}those who insist on inundating the net with foul language and trashy
> =}personal attacks
>  
>      "Trashy personal attacks" like, for example, referring to other people's
> opinions as "pollution?"  That the kind of thing you mean?

I would refer you back to my original posting, where I gave explicit examples
of "trashy personal attacks" ("any article by Christopher Mauritz concerning
Rikiya Asano").  Please don't jump to conclusions that I was referring to you
here (this gripe was under a separate billet).
 

>      Sounds like Boulder hasn't changed much since I graduated from CU in
> '77.  Still the self-righteousness capital of the Rockies, is it?
 
I admit there's been a lot of crap eminating from Boulder lately; I fortunately
cannot claim to represent Boulder.  However, this isn't another one of those
tiring "You're from ___ [CMU/Urbana/Boulder/...], so everybody from ___ [ditto]
is a loser" arguments, is it?  For someone who seems to be trying so hard to
present a veneer of open-mindedness, this last comment shows your true nature.


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Glen Pankow                       If any of my opinions should be caught or
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