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From: mjflynn@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mark.j.flynn)
Subject: Swindell Red in 1993??
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:57:19 GMT


I have Greg Swindell on my rotisserie team which
has fallen out of the race, I am wondering if I
should try to get something for him or to keep
him for next year. I have him at a price of 10.
I am looking for any insight on Greg Swindell's
chances of resigning with the Reds. Does he want
to stay in the Cincinnati area? Do the Reds want
him, and are they willing to pay him the kind of
money he is looking for? Any information would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Mark Flynn
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.232355.8300@seq.uncwil.edu>, cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
>rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>
>
>>I see the following still in the race...comments/suggestions
>>welcomed.   go flame someone else.
>
>>National League
>>---------------
>
>>ROY
>>Help again...Karros is a candidate.  There are others, but I can't
>>seem to pull names right now.  Cianfrocco is fading/has faded.
>
>>I'm interested in hearing people opine away.
>
>	The only other name that hits me quickly is Reggie Sanders, I
>	haven't seen him play much, but what I have seen has been 
>	impressive.  I'd be pleased with either Karros or Sanders, 
>	They are both excellent players.
>
        There should be no contest here.  Karros should walk away with the
        NL ROY award.  He is leading the Dodgers in homers and RBIs.  The
        only negative thing about him is his low OBP.  Sanders has been
        hurt and he's not playing everyday.

>	Oh, as a longshot, Delino DeSheilds.
>
        What?  DeSheilds has been in the league for 3 years.  If he's
        a rookie, he's much more than a longshot to win.

>
>Kit
>
>
>-- 
>   Kit Cosper                        cosper@seq.uncwil.edu         
>   PP-ASEL-IA                        AMA 31022

Edward Hui

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From: gary@iphase.com (Gary Kidwell)
Subject: Re: Sierra to be traded?
Organization: Interphase Corp.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.173405.4512@newsgate.sps.mot.com> jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.133321.18658@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu  
>(Douglas Fowler) writes:
>> 
>> Our paper is reporting that the Rangers are close to dealing Ruben
>> Sierra, who has just one homer since the break.  They say reports are
>> that he has cleared the necessary waivers.
>> If this is true, I'm puzzled as to where he would go.
>
>Last night, ESPN said the "grapevine" has him going to Pittsburgh for a  
>top minor league prospect (the name escapes me). The logic being that the  
>Pirates can sign Sierra (who is a free agent next year) for much less than  
>Bonds.
>

There's not much doubt here in Texas that Sierra will not be playing
for the Rangers next year. The Fans have gone from being huge
Ruben supporters at the season start to booing him now at home games.
All the local talk shows are saying that he will not be resigned.

My personal opinion, Ruben is a proven star who's having an off year.
I think he will be a star for many years to come, and the fact that
his stock has dropped means that he will probably be a good value
in the free agent market. Especially with all the free agents coming
out this year that have had great years. As a Rangers fan, I will be
sorry to lose him.

Gary Kidwell
gary@iphase.com

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From: miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey)
Subject: Re: The Owners Never Learn
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.202757.18330@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:
>Amidst all the hullabaloo (now *there's* a word that's missing from my 
>dictionary) of the Canseco and Cone trades, I'm wondering and worrying
>about the latest events in the owner stupidity derby.  It's becoming
>increasingly clear that the owners are hell-bent on having yet another
>confrontation (read lockout/strike) with the players over matters financial.
>
>Although I'm hardly a member of the Fay Vincent Fan Club, I'm having trouble
>figuring out just what the hell the owner's beef is, other than the fact 
>that Fay is not properly acting as the owner's subservient lackey. They seem
>to want to avoid any and all possibility that he might intervene in a labor
>dispute and effect some sort of compromise "in the best interests of baseball".
>
>It appears that the owners have not learned a damned thing from their past
>indiscretions; they lose every single time. I've read/heard (don't remember
>specifically where) people like the ever-wonderful Jerry Reinsdorf talking 
>darkly about a year or two hiatus from baseball, "if that's what it takes"
>
>Does anyone else share my paranoia? It will be mighty interesting to see what
>comes out of this lynching party scheduled for this Thursday.

	From what I understand, the lockout is almost a sure-thing, although
the media have not addressed it since spring training. I would like to see
Vincent stand up to the owners in court, and see if some kind of ruling
on the anti-trust exemption could be had, as well as the establishment of a 
legal precedent that more exactely defines the role of the commissioner and 
the limits of his power over (or under) the owners. Its too bad that it
has to be decided in the courts but it seems the long-tenuous system
that has been in place in baseball for handling disputes and problems 
surrounding the game is finally falling apart and hopefully a better system 
will arise. 

--Mike D.--

-- 
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 Computer and Information Science Dept.     fiber, (and) good scotch..."
                                                               
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Sutcliffe has big-time guts!!!!!
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:31:34 GMT

In article 071447KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> () writes:
>   Rick Sutcliff of the O's pitched a 4 hitter last night through 8 innings
>breaking the O's three game losing streak.  The admirable thing about it was
>that Sutcliff's mother died of cancer on Sunday!!!!  As a big-time O's fan,
>I have appreciated Sutcliff's grit all season, but now my admiration for him
>has shot up 200%.  When told by manager Johnny Oates that he didn't have to
>pitch yesterday (they had called up Anthony Telford from Rochester to pitch),
>Sutcliff declined and went out and pitched a perfect game through 4 innings.
>You have to admire players like that, especially when you have players who
>use ingrown toenails as excuses not to play.  Oates said that Sutcliff only
>said one word to him all night, when Oates came out in the 8th to  check on
>Sutcliff, Oates said, "Have you had enough", and Sutcliff replied, "Yup".
>It is good to see that not all ballplayers are pampered babies!!!


If he gave nothing else during his post-1984 run with the Cubs, Rick Sutcliffe
always gave his all for the team, even at the risk of his own health. I wasn't
too happy that the Cubs released him back before spring training, because I
feared that he would have a season like this. 

Oh, well, we do have Mike Harkey and Shawn Boskie in the bivouac to keep an
eye on these days. :)

BTW dear writer, I love your excitement, but excessive use of exclamation
points dilute your enthusiasm, and the enthusiasm of the reader. Is there
really such a thing as a gentle flame, like a candle?


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From: gan@igc.apc.org (Global Action Network)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Red Sox poll?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:50:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1459000006:000:448
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!gan    Aug 26 06:50:00 1992


I'm polling all of my baseball friends.  Who should the Red Sox
fire?
          (a) Butch Hobson
          (b) Lou Gorman
          (c) Roving Hitting Instructor Jim Rice
          (d) Jack Clark's financial advisor
          (e) Don Zimmer
          (f) Cito Gaston

In retro, I think the Sox are the only team in baseball who 
only need to protect two players, Clemens and Viola, in the 
upcoming draft.

Series or Cellar, We love our Sox!
Deane
From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:18:54 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <lws.10@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw>, lws@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin) wr> 
>    Boggs cannot hit anymore outside Fenway Park. I do think the Great
> Green Wall has been helping him much for his BA. In addition, Boggs
 
   This is true. Boggs loves hitting balls half way up the green monster.
But he also like stroking the ball up the middle.

> is not an ideal leadoff hitter, although he always has good OBP. He
> is too slow to bat ahead Alomar, who may be a better candidate for
> the leadoff job.

   The point I was trying to make is that his high OBP would be ideal for
the Jays because they have 2 RBI kings in Carter and Winfield. Switching
Alomar and Boggs would not be a bad idea though.

>    Are you sure that Boggs is a better 3rd baseman than Gruber and Kent?

   Positive. Gruber can't even hit his weight this year. He has been a big
dissapointment the last couple of years even though he hasn't been
totally healthy. Kent isn't a bad 3rd baseman, but he isn't good enough
yet to be the starter. He still needs more work in AAA, IMHO.

> Kent is hitting well for this season, and Gruber had ever showed his power
> before entering this season. I cannot see the point to sign Boggs with a
> Ripken-like contract.

 Maybe they won't need to. Boggs has told the Red Sox that he considered
their offerings an insult and he took it personally. He said, as did Jody
Reed, that he is sick of this team and how they don't care about the 
players. They both doubt to be in Red Sox uniforms when they're free
agents. What Boggs really wants is a long contract rather than an expensive
one. He said he wants one of at least 3 years. And seeing his hitting woes
this season, he isn't gonna be looking for a very expensive contract. But
the Sox said they will never give him  a contract over 2 years because of
the bad experiences with Clark, Young and Brunansky. They don't want to
make another mistake. Boggs said something to the effect of 'Fine, then
they'll lose me just like they did Hurst(Bruce) and Boddicker.'
From: tim@cs.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Cecil Fielder: A Tiger Fan's Opinion
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:05:36 GMT
Followup-To: tim@normal.georgetown.edu,rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

This newsgroup has been down on Cecil for several years now, in general.
It used to distress me, especially the year before last, because I could
_see_ how Cecil came through with clutch hit time after time, especially
at key moments in games.  His homers contributed in a similar way.

Last year, Cecil declined a bit.  His numbers were _not_ MVP numbers, as
was well-discussed here.  But he still took more of a bashing than his
performance seemed to deserve.  

This year is without question different.  Cecil is choking, _often_.
He is striking out, _often_, and in clutch situations especially.
Watch any Tiger game and you will observe that many times in virtually
every game, there are runners all over the place when Cec comes to the
plate.  Phillips, Whitaker, Fryman, just as claimed here statistically.
Cecil better quit choking before contract time, and it says here that his
weight _is_ a factor now.  He also falls asleep at first base too often. 
(This year in Baltimore I saw Tettleton throw a ball to pick off a runner
at first and it hit Cecil.  Then, also in Baltimore, a sharp grounder
went through his legs.  Pretty.)

Statistics make baseball fun and are a great tool for objective comparison.
But, watching 162 games season after season gives one a fine basis for
comparison, too.  The "statless" claims here usually support Cecil, the
"stat" claims do not.

So lemme summarize: This fan used to be excited when Cecil came up in
big situations, and he delivered like no Tiger in memory since Kaline.
But this year, the Tiger fans I know (me too) share no such excitement.
Whitaker, Fryman, Phillips, and even Deer and Tettleton are more dangerous.
Believe it.

 Timothy Law Snyder
 Department of Computer Science
 Reiss 225
 Georgetown University
 Washington, DC 20057

tim@normal.georgetown.edu
(202) 687-6208
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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:36:38 GMT

In <1992Aug31.233457.761@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.152101.7480@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
[snip]

>> |> [Sheffield] may also get Comeback Player of the Year (Doug Jones also has
>> |> a shot at CPotY). 
>> 
>>   Comeback Player - heck the guy is only 23 years old!
>> 

>	I don't think age has a great deal to do with it. It seems to be more
>like rewarding a guy for good-year/very-bad-year/pretty-good-year seasons.
>Sometimes, the award does have some meaning, like with Dave Dravecky (unless he
>didn't get it his final year in baseball, but I think he did).

Not so -- Lonnie Smith won it.  And deserved it.


--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Gigabit Study Group 

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:12:57 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug26.212138.22474@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
 
> |> In your dreams, kid. The Red Sox are not going to give up someone like Boggs
> |> to any team within their division. And I'm saddened that Boggs would want a 
> |> deal similiar to Ripken after all he's done the past few years. Boggs is
> |> steadily declining and I expect no more peaking from him after all. But he's
> |> still effective.

>   I don't think it's far fetched at all. As a free agent, the Sox really
> can't control where he goes once the Sox give up on signing him.  

In Todays Boston newspaper, we found out that Lou Gorman(Red Sox GM) had
been talking with the Jays over the past 2 weeks trying to work out a
deal that would send pitchers Mike Gardiner,Greg Harris,and Joe Hesketh
to Toronto for Kent and Derek Bell and a player to be named later. Toronto
was interested until Cone came into the picture. So, the Sox would be willing
to trade within the division.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:21:44 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jays Remaining Schedule
 <1992Aug27.133820.3959@sni.ca>


In article <1992Aug27.133820.3959@sni.ca>, dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) says:

>The remainder of the Jays' schedule:
>                                    For the Orioles it is...
>Aug 27-30:  Mil, home               Aug 28-30: Sea, away
>Aug 31-Sept 2:  Chi, home           Aug 31-Sept. 2: Oak, away
>Sept 4-6: Minn, home                Sept. 4-6: Cal., away
>Sept 7-9: KC, away                  Sept. 7-9: NY, home
>Sept 11-13: Tex, away               Sept. 11-13: Mil, home
>Sept 14-17: Clev, home              Sept. 14-16: KC, home
>Sept 18-20: Tex, home               Sept. 18-21: Mil, away
>Sept 22-24: Balt, away              Sept. 22-24: Tor., home
>Sept 25-27: NY, away                Sept. 25-28: Bos., home
>Sept 29-30, Bos, home               Sept. 29-30: Det, away
>Oct 2-4, Det, home                  Oct. 1-4: Cle., away

Dennis Shea
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ANSWER: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 17
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:06:11 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <92242.001506IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan R Robbins) writes:
>trn@warper.jhuapl.edu (Tony Nardo) writes:
>
>My question to everyone out there is: Why not declare an
>unintentional foul ball a ball? We've all seen the play before:
>pitch running up and in on the hitter, he ducks, but the ball nicks
>his bat and is fouled off. There is no swing there at all, but it
>is still a foul ball and considered a strike with less than two
>strikes in the count.

Unintentional contact should be regarded like any other contact
between ball and bat.  Granted, it is frustrating when the
batter does not mean to swing but still fouls off a pitch
a foot over his head; OTOH, such unintentional swings occasionally
end up being hit fair and result in base hits.  Umpires already
have enough leeway to make lousy judgement calls, let's not
give them anymore.


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| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |
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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.211902.6126@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.193940.16825@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>>
>>I see the following still in the race...comments/suggestions
>>welcomed.   go flame someone else.
>I see the following other *deserving* candidates, although not likely to win..
>
>>
>>American League
>>---------------
>>
>>Cy Young
>>1. Strong candidates: McDowell, Clemens, Morris(?!?), Eck
>Ack. not Morris. 4.00+ERA is horrid. McDowell also has a high ERA. Clemens
>looks to be one man show, unless Guzman comes back strong..very strong.
>>2. Fading: Brown, Mussina
>>3. Next Year: Nagy, Appier
>>***Note: What's up with Melido Perez this year?  Too bad the Yanks
>>         are so dismal.
>Trying to not be like big brother Pascual? :-) Melido has good numbers
>despite being on a truly bad team.
>> 
>>MVP
>>I need suggestions here.  I'm personally gonna stick with Eck.
>>McGwire was falling off, then got hurt.
>Roberto Alomar, still going strong.
>Brady Anderson had a hot start but has slowed down recently
>Edgar Martinez...top 10 in most offensive categories. 
>Kirby Puckett.outside chance..back-to-back POM award helps.
>
>MOTY:
>1. Tony LaRussa, Johnny Oates, Phil Garner.
>2. Tom Kelly
>99999999 Cito Gaston (IMHO)
>>
>>
>>National League
>>---------------
>>
>>Cy Young
>>1. Tom Glavine
>>2. That's it
>Greg Maddux, Bob Tewksbury both have better number (except W-L) than Glavine.

If Glavine loses three or four more, maybe some of us less than Awe-Struck by
Glavine will speak up.  REMEMBER THE ALL-STAR GAME!!

If Swindell stays in the NL next year and plays like this year, then he should 
get consideration also.
>
>
>>
>>MVP
>>1. Strong: Sheffield, McGriff
                        ^^^^^^^

I don't see it myself. He needs to try to get on base more often IMO.
Valuable, yes; Most, no.

>>2. Dark Horses (asbestos suit time): Bonds, Pendleton
>Another Dark Horse: DeLino DeShields. If Expos win the NL East, he'll look
>good. 
If that's the case then also consider Bip Roberts.  Above average average, 
defensive flexibility and prowess, lots of stolen bases and doubles, though
not a lot of home-runs, nor a lot of RBI's, but then he bats lead-off...

>>3. Next Year: Daulton.  The Phillies can be just as crappy without him.
>Andres Galarraga. Oops. wrong category :-)

Good choice, but will he have the same kind of year next year, and just how
important are his RBI's anyway?

>
>MOTY:
>1. Felipe Alou...Expos performance has already won it for him.
>
>Executive of the Year(NL)
>1. Everyone's Pal Dal. He's given us the Andres watch what more could we want?
>
>
RStimets
From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: pitching question
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:52:26 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

What does it mean when they say a pitcher has 14 decisions?  I am new fan of 
baseball.  Thanks in advance.

MR
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Tom House (was Re: Jose Canseco to Texas...)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 3 SEP 92 13:34:24 GMT

I can't say anything about his skill as a pitching coach, but he
wrote a pretty good book -- "The Jock's Itch".  In spite of the
silly title, it is a very thoughtful and interesting book about
the psychology of baseball players and the bizarre nature of
their subculture.  The term he uses is "terminal adolescent
syndrome".

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jose Canseco to Texas...
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:03:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep1.152532.3667@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:

> The major concern I have with Canseco is that he is extermely injury prone.
> And he's a dusruptive influence in the clubhouse. He's also about 5 years older
> than Sierra, isn't he? If I were starting a team right now I'd take Sierra over 
> Canseco for these very reasons.

Canseco's only about 15 months older, although the "virtual age" on
his back may be about five years older than Sierra.

At first glance, Canseco's superiority is set off by his fragility,
so Canseco for Sierra is about a wash.  Throw in the pitchers, and
Wakland made a steal.  Again.  Christ, why can't the Giants make
trades like this?
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