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>(Gordon Storga) /  4:34 pm  Jan  9, 1993 /
><1993Jan10.000759.20838@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>FINAL SCORE:  Niners 20   Redskins  13
>>A game that had eight turnovers, 4 each, but the last TO
>>by the SKINS cost them the game IMHO. Great D on both
>>sides and credit to the Niners D for coming through!

>??  What game were you watching?

What's so wrong with John's analysis?  No question about the Niners D -
after scoring 24 points on a good Minnesota defense, the 'Skins only TD
against the 'Niners came on a 15 yard drive.  More importantly - and in
dramatic contrast to Houston and New Orleans - the S. F. defense hung
tough and made the big plays in the 4th quarter when momentum was
shifting toward Washington.

The 'Skins TO might not have "cost them the game", but it came on a
drive that would have given them a go-ahead TD in the 4th quarter so
that's not really off the mark.  The only questionable assertion might
be "Great D" for Washington since the '9ers moved the ball well most of
the game and *might* have had a big lead in the second half.  But though
Young certainly had "fumbleitis" at least 3 of the 4 Niner TOs were
caused in part by the aggressive play of the Washington defense, so they
deserve at least *some* credit for keeping the 'Skins in the game.

I suspect this was just a knee-jerk anti-Gloria reaction.  John is no
football genius, but neither are a lot of people who post to r.s.f.p.
Strip away the '9er woofing and "Football Gods" stuff and John has no
less insight than a lot of people on the net, and more than some.  To
use a purely hypothetical example, I would say that he has a better grip on
the game than someone who would pick Washington (9-7 regular season) to
beat S. F. (14-2) by *17* points.

- Gary Rosen
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:04:47 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1993Jan3.220421.7381@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>FACTS:  The FAT LADY CHOKED and the DA BILLS came back
>to win the greatest come from behind game in  
>NFL HISTORY. 38-41
>
>FACTS:  Was there ANYONE out there that really thought
>the Bills could come back and win it after they were
>down 35-3? How many of you Bills fans were thinking
>"OH NO!" "Please FOOTBALLS GODS, do something!".

I only kept watching cause I love football.
WHAT A GAME!

>
>I enjoyed the game and the outcome on this game to me,
>HONESTLY, was one of indifference.  I was rooting for
>good plays and as the game started, the Oilers were in
>command. In the second half, the tide turned and again,
>I was rooting for good plays. Da Bills were the victors
>in the 2nd half.  

Just about  ;-)
>
>FACTS:  Beebe stepped out of bounds and it was not
>called and he ran in for a TD. Although this COULD HAVE
>been the game for the Oilers, IMHO, I believe Da Bills
>WOULD HAVE found a way to win this one. 
>-- 
ANOTHER SUICIDE ONSIDE !?!?!?
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller


Anyone know if Kelly will be back soon?
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From: medeiros@labdacus.think.com (David Medeiros)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Free Agency
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:24:20
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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   From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
   Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu
   Organization: Yale University
   Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:42:31 GMT

   In article <1ise3eINNfof@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
   >From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
   >Subject: Re: Free Agency
   >Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:25:50 GMT
   >In article <C0oH8t.MH@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:

   > >What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
   > >he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
   > >the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). 

   This means you can lose players to free agency, but NOT pick any up if 
   you're team is a final 4?  Where would a team compensate?  Is this that 
   clause about extra draft picks if you lose members of the team to free 
   agency?

   > >I
   > >guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
   > >Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
   > >such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
   > >free agency.
   >
   >This will be known as the Al Davis rule. What a crock of shit, this move 
   >was done to keep Reggie White from Dallas and San Fran. 

   [some stuff deleted]

   Duuuh..... I'm a little confused, can someone spell out the full free 
   agency rules.  (Did I miss it?)  

   T.I.A

The way free agency is going to work is that THIS year a team in the final
four can not sign anyone off of free agency unless they lose someone to
free agency and then can only sign someone of similar value.

The teams who lost this past weekend can only sign 1 player, who's value is
over 1.5 million/year and as many as they want at a lesser value, until
they reach the salary cap.

All other teams can sign as many as they can until they reach the salary
cap.

Again that is THIS year only.

Dave....
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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Random Dallas THoughts
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:37:07 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <24685@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>
cwalker@Pterodactyl.scg.hac.com (Clint Walker) writes:
>Up to this point, the Eagles had
>shown the ability to move the ball, so I was concerned when they called a
>handoff up the middle to E. Smith and then punting the ball.  It appears
>that I was wrong based on the outcome of the game, but I wonder id this
>conservative style of play will work against SF.

I doubt that they will be playing as conservatively against the San
Francisco defense, which is good but not near the level of the Eagles'.
What I would like to see is the Cowboys use Smith as a decoy for the
first part of the game, and passpasspass.

If the Dallas offense has a weakness, it's predictability (although they
seem to be able to do what they want anyway).  It seems almost every
drive is run-run-pass.  I *loved* the draw play to Smith on third and
long in the opening drive -- it was completely unexpected.  They've
done that several times before this year, and it has worked every time.

Daniel Welch
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From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
Subject: Re: NFL Merchandise
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:22:20 GMT

dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:


>You can contact NFL properties on (212) 838-0660.  No 800 number
>was given.

Oh, btw, if you call this number they give you the 800 number for
Dallas Athletic Supply, Inc (I posted that earlier).  Seems as
though Dallas Athletic Supply, Inc. is the official outlet for 
NFL merchandise.

>If you are a 49er fan, you can call (800) 359-4937 for a catalog.
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From: barnes@cowboys.mfg.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Subject: Re: Dreams
Keywords: Win
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:27:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.204504.17139@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
(JOHN) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.184257.14363@odin.corp.sgi.com>
|> barnes@cowboys.mfg.sgi.com (James Barnes) writes:
|> >I had a dream last night.......
|> >Dallas won the NFC Championship.
|> >The score was Dallas-31   Washington-7
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >Talk about being out on a limb.................................
|> >
|> >
|> Yup, it was a dream. A figment of your wild imagination. :-)
|> -- 
|>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
|> "To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
|> everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller




I was afraid of that...but, let's just wait and see.........
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Bills injury status?
Keywords: Bills are great!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:56:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.061837.9087@ultb.isc.rit.edu> trc6398@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.R. Craver) writes:

>In article <4JAN93.01193409@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>>Would someone post Buffalo's injury outlook for Saturday, mainly for Jim
>>Kelly and Cornelius Bennett. Thanks in advance...

>Kelly is out at least for next week.  
>
>Bennett should be back in for next week against Pittsburgh.
>
>Thomas went out with a hip injury in the first half, but should be
>  okay for next week.

I'm getting bits and pieces of the Second Half of Destiny (still haven't
seen any replays), but as I understand it, the Bills made the comeback
of the century without:

o their starting QB
o their starting RB
o one of their best defensive players
o a whole bunch of other people nicked up

most if not all will be back soon.  Say what you want -- this is
the stuff of what legends are born.  I now officially expect to see
a Niners-Bills Big Dance.  No predictions on the outcome until I
watch a few more games...

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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:55:36 GMT


>hi there it,s[sic] hamish here again, with just a few points to take
>up with all you flammers[sic]. 
>Firstly[,] i am SCOTTISH[,] not bloody English so cut out your
>references to soccer violence.This as always been a problem in
>England, but even they have it under control know[sic].In Scotland
>we have the best behaved fans in the world,[sic]at the last world
>cup we were congratulated for our impecable[sic] behaviou[sic] in
>italy[,] and at the european championships this summer u.e.f.a gave
>out medals to all the scottish fans who traveled[sic] to
>sweeden[sic], because they were the best behaved fans there, and had
>noone[sic] arrested.There has,nt[sic] been any serious troulble[sic]
>in home matches, since we stoped[sic] playing the english, as they
>just came up here looking for a barny.So get your facts right [--]
>Scottish and English football are two diffrent[sic] ball games. As
>for someone saying soccer also has a drugs[sic] problem, well
>mayby[sic] it does in america but it does,nt[sic] here.No Scottish
>footballler[sic] as far as l[sic] know has ever been caught using
>drugs, and there are stingent[sic] tests carried out at
>random,[sic]can you say the same about american football. Oh what
>about those people whose best comeback is ["]we won the war for
>you["]. so what if you did[?],america had know[sic] need to get
>involved in any of the wars, but they did saving british lives at
>the the expense of american lives.I don,t[sic] know about you but I
>think we got the better deal. By the way[,] I know my spelling is
>terrible, but what's the differance[sic][?] I am just writing a
>quick message to a newsgroup[,] not a bloody theseis[sic].
>
>So all you ignoramuses out there,before you flame me, try and think
>of an intelligent point to make first, if that's possible for a
>bunch of couch potatoes.[no sic] notice the use of the dan
>quale[sic] spelling of potato,know[sic] there's a clever guy.
>
>Football Players Are Dickless
>
>Hamish
>

I think Hamish has made a number of excellent points here.  It's
obvious from his post that Scottish soccer fans are the politest
fans in the world. Their graciousness, intelligence, and compassion
should be a beacon to us all.  Now imagine a whole stadium full of
little hamishes.

It's pretty sad when just about the only word you spelled right was
the one you were trying to misspell [potatoes].  True, it's "not a
bloody theseis", but it tells volumes about you.

mark
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:20:11 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <c872__-@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>
>Bills vs Steelers -- Bills engineered the comeback of the century against the
>                     Oilers. But that's history, and I expect a letdown in
>                     Pittsburgh, especially if they don't score early.
>                     Defense wins Championships and I think the Bills are just
>                     too banged up on both sides of the ball. The bills will
>                     be valiant, but the Steelers are a totally different team
>                     with QB O'donnel who is supposed to start.
>
>Steelers 26 Bills 20

Nobody is picking the Bills for this one. I love it! The Bills are great at
winning when they are underdogs.

>
>
>Well there they are, we'll see how I do. I wouldn't mind going 3-1 again.
>
>--------------------------------------------
>J.R. Ordon
> Vikings Fan .. we'll get'em next year
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From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Eagles/Cowboys: A Lasting Impression
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Reply-To: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:49:14 GMT



My final thoughts on Sunday's Eagles/Cowboys game....

Yesterday screamed my lungs out as the football team I was chearing
for won a stunning game. The contest will be disected by many more
knowlegable than me. But the lasting memory I will bring away from
that game will be something which occured at midfield moments after
conclusion of the forth quarter. A collection of about 10 players
Eagles and Cowboys alike knealed together in prayer. 

For several moments as media, players and coaches swarmed the field,
as we in the stands celebrated these men, fierce competitors just
moments earlier held hands and prayed to their God. I can only
imagine what was said, but I was certainly touched by the moment. 

It put the game, and in a small way life in perspective. I was
fortunate to have been there.

Jeff Martin
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From: ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:53:22 GMT

In article <C0GB3L.5A9@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>Here is a Category-wise list of Team of Frustrations. Corrections
>are welcome from fans of other teams and I will post a revised list.
>
>A) HAVE BEEN TO THE SUPER-BOWL BUT NEVER WON IT
>------------------------------------------------
>1) Vikes ... 0-4  
>2) Broncos   0-4
>3) Bengals   0-2
>4) Bills     0-2
>5) Patriots  0-1
>6) Rams      0-1
>7) Eagles    0-1
>-------------------------------------------------
>Categories below are teams who have never even been to a Super Bowl
>B) HAVE NEVER WON A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
>--------------------------------------------------
>1) Browns    0-2
>2) Oilers    0-1
>3) Lions     0-1
>4)Additions are welcome
 4) Seattle   0-2
    Loss the 1982-83 AFC Conference game to the Raiders
    Loss the 1983-84 AFC Conference game to the Dolphins
 5) Tampa Bay 0-1 at least
    Loss NFC Conference game to the L.A. Rams the year the Rams went to
    the SB
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>C) HAVE NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME
>----------------------------------------------------
>1) Saints     0-3
>
>D) HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A PLAYOFF GAME
>---------------------------------------------------
>1) Tampa Bay
>2) Sea-Hawks
>
    See above, every NFL team has been to the playoffs

Cheers!

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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More predictions
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:58:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan11.234616.23348@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> andres@minerva.ece.
drexel.edu (Andres Lebaudy) writes:
>
>I didn't see the game but heard it on the radio.  The commentators kept
>saying how awful Rypien's passes were --  Overthrowing/underthrowing wide-open
>receivers.  They also noted several dropped passes.  Was the 49er secondary
>outstanding, or were Rypien/"The Posse" to blame? 
>
>Andres

While the Niners secondary did play a very good game, Rypien and the Posse
were consistently off.  The fumbled handoff to Mitchell inside the Niners
20 was the epitome of the poor playing.  Rypien wasn't to blame totally as
Ricky Sanders let a pass slip right through his hands a few times and Gary
Clark overcompensated and dived into a sure TD pass from Ryp.  Washington
had every chance to win this game as their defense really started to come
on in the second half but I'd say it was more a case of the offense shooting
themselves in the foot (again, I am not implying that the Niners secondary
played poorly)!

satish nair


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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:25:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.190732.12315@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
>In article <103575@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>And guess what? This 'greatest comeback in NFL history', and almost
>certainly the greatest game in franchise history, WAS NOT SEEN IN
>BUFFALO! That's right, the game didn't sell out, and so the blackout
>was in effect. With the exception of those with access to satellite
>dishes, no one in Buffalo or Rochester saw this game.
>Don Pajerek
>

Yes, I read that in today's paper and I COULD NOT believe it.
It seems, by some Bills fans own admission, that they were sort of
resigned to losing THIS GAME! Not a flame, but I did get a
couple of such replies that they were just going to enjoy the
game with friends. I would have drove to another locality to
see in on TV if necessary. I could live with myself if the
NINERS game were blacked out locally. I would drive to another
part of the state that DID! :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: re: Chargers D WINS IT!
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:53:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.000805.8693@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Well, the Chargers have not stopped being the Cinderalla
>team of the 1992 season. Next stop, Miami. Hmmmm, I wouldn't
>bet against the Chargers based on their Defensive play.
>Of course, IMHO, I don't think the Chiefs offerred a
>multi-faceted offense, at least not today. This is NOT
>a knock or flame towards the heralded San Diego Chargers.
>My point is, IMHO, against a more multi-facet offense, the 
>Chargers could have problems. The Miami - Chargers games
>will certainly be interesting!!

Right. The Chargers will have trouble against the Skins or
49ers, both of whom have a 'multi-faceted offense'. The
Dolphins, despite of years of trying to put together a
running game, still don't have one. If you can stop Marino,
you can stop the Dolphins. And this years Dolphin OL is
clearly more porous that previous editions. The Charger
D should have a good time pressuring/sacking Marino.

>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:11:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Going out for breakfast, boring game!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

John was correct.  Yawn.  Its not his fault the Beagles forgot to show up
for the game.  Must be those blue and silver tinted glasses y'all are
wearing.  Now where did I put my pancake syrup?

Don Boell
"Just slide in the mud baby"
From: your-email-addr@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Ed Rendell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Randall Cunningham Sucks
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:26:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Randall really sucks giant donkey dick.  He should spend less time trying
to be a talkshow host and more time studying the playbook.  He's a
celebrity here.  His own candy bar (cost $1.00), his own T.V. talk show and
a big contract. All that is fine if he could play football.  Here in Philly
it's a sin to criticize Randall because you're accused of being a bigot. 
Everyone has got other reasons why the Eagles went down in flames.  Face
it..
   RANDALLL SUCKS
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: REDSKINS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:35:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.225922.22654@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>In article <C0E6y9.225@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.004630.15086@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>>In article <4JAN199313354112@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com> rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J) writes:

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

>Your rationale has me confused???? Do you think the Cowboys or
>Eagles would want to trade for Young for the playoffs. I don't
>think so. Again, your mind is made up that Washington does not
>have a great QB. BTW, their QB did win the SB MVP didn't her?
>

Yeah, your right...Didn't Milli Vanilli win a Grammy?

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