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From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Racism in America (Re: Ed babbles again)
Summary: Where are those Racists, anyway?
Keywords: almost everywhere
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:01:11 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.

In article <GPRIORES.92Sep14234021@fish.oracle.com> gpriores@oracle.com 
(gordon prioreschi) writes:

>In article <BuL6z7.n0H@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com writes:

>> As I recently remarked in another newsgroup, racists are everywhere.
>> [Stevens R Miller]

>Do you mean in every state? In every city? On every block? In every
>house? Everyone?  [Gordon Prioreschi]

A good question!  Does Mr. Miller mean "everywhere" as in,

             "They are everywhere.
              They are everywhere.
              They're behind every bush,
              And they're after your tush;
              They are everywhere"?
Or as in,
             "We are everywhere.
              We are everywhere.
              Leading patriarchal lives
              With our children and our wives,
              We are everywhere"?

Or maybe he means that racists are *almost* everywhere, as in,
   
             "Almost everywhere;
              They're almost everywhere.
              They perform perverted pleasure
              Off a set of zero measure,
              Almost everywhere"?

Which is it?  

And while we're at it, is Mr. Miller referring to "racists" (those who 
think differently of, or behave differently towards, people depending 
on their race -- any race), or is he referring to "Racists" (non-Black
folk who think ill of, or passively or actively oppress, members of the 
Black race)?  Which is it?  Because if it's "Racists" he's referring 
to, why, any place that's free of non-Black folk is _ipso facto_ free
of Racists -- in which case, Racists *can't* be "everywhere."

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Jury Nullification (was: Killing in defense of
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Sep15.153014.18137@linus.mitre.org>, bs@gauss.mitre.org 
(Robert D. Silverman) writes:
> If juries have the right to nullify and I am forced to take an oath
> saying that I will not practice that right, am I not taking that
> oath under duress? I am essentially forced to take an oath that I will
> give away a right.  If I do not take that oath I will not be allowed to
> practice that right. [by being excused from serving because I am aware of
> my right].

If.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Trademarks in phone numbers
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:06:49 GMT

Does anyone know what the legal rammifications are for someone to
advertise their phone number using letters which happen to
correspond to someone elses trademark?  It has been brought to my
attention that some cases had been settled out of court with the
end result that the phone numbers had different letters (not
numbers).  For example, Shareware used to have a phone number of
1-800-IBM-DISK and has since changed the lettering.  Is there
legal precedent for a phone number to be considered a trademark?

-- 
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hornbooks -- Tax
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 02:28:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Sep8.221941.1180@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu>

Say, why are they called hornbooks?  Why not just textbooks?

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Ed babbles again
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:13:58 GMT

In article <2925495942.0.p00098@mail.psi.net> "Jones M Murphy Jr" <p00098@mail.psi.net> writes:
>FROM:   Citecheck Hell <thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu>
>
>>>Powers That Be; Jesse Jackson in the past mounted a serious, credible
>>>alternative to centrist politics, so credible that he was carefully
>>>destroyed by (false) charges of anti-Semitism,
>>
>>If a Jewish candidate said "nigger" in reference to blacks, what
>>would your reaction be, Ed?
>
>It's not hypothetical. During a mayoral campaign a few years ago, then 
>New York mayor Ed Koch referred to his opponent, Danny Farrell, as a 
>"Watusi warrior". He has referred to other black opponents as 
>"schwartzers", a Yiddish/German equivalent of "nigger". It was amusing 
>as heck to see him blasting Jesse Jackson a short time afterwards for 
>his "Hymietown" remark.

And Koch was lambasted for it and lost, didn't he?  And I'm sure Ed,
who's been going out of his way to defend Jackson's remark was quite
upset about it at the time.

>>It took Jackson eight years to get around to apologizing, and he
>>still hasn't disavowed people like Farrakhan.
>>
>And CNN didn't disavow Pat Buchanan when he said, "When I was a boy 
>there were no racial problems. The races were segregated".

Take it up with Ted Turner and Jane Fonda.  I've been criticizing
Buchanan for years.

>I didn't care for Jesse's Hymietown remark. I thought it was shallow and 
>racist. However, it's par for the course in the country that elected 
>George "Willie Horton" Bush. You are a hypocrite to single that out and 
>not to put it in it's sleazy context.

Neither Bush nor Buchanan nor Koch pretend to be healing folks representing
oppressed minorities against racist attitudes.  Nor were they directly
relevant to the context, as I neither support nor defend them.  Ed, on
the other hand, supports and defends Jackson.
-- 
           .........................................................
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
Subject: Professional Responsibility Question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:48:42 GMT

A hypothetical:  Officer Guarini is a member of the Big City Police
Department (BCPD).  He recently became a lawyer, and has been
assigned to the BCPD Office of Legal Matters.  His job is to 
investigate non-criminal complaints of misconduct made by citizens
against police officers.  His client is BCPD, not the officer
complained of.  A hearing can result from his investigations, 
presided over by a senior officer.  The hearing can dismiss the
complaint or uphold it and order sanctions including loss of
vacation time or pay.  An officer has the option to be represented
at the hearing, at his own expense.  Usually, a union official
is the representative, at no charge.  Guarini has been asked by the
union if he knows a lawyer who will be the officers' representative
on a pro bono basis.  Guarini suggests Green, whom he has previously
asked to consider this task, and who has agreed to take it on.  The
union asks Green to represent the next officer called to a hearing, and
Green accepts.

Has either Green or Guarini broken the rules of professional responsibility?
-- 
Stevens R. Miller, J.D.		E-mail to srm@mw.sbi.com
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Keywords: (312)-E-B-O-N-Y--M-T
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:29:10 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <19166@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>
>Nelson Mandela is also alive.  Mr. Nilges may have in mind such examples 
>as Mount Rushmore and Stone Mountain, carved by white men in memory of 
>other white men who were dead.  But the drive for "Ebony Mountain" is 
>being spearheaded by a Black man.  Why should the white man's rule
>apply to Ebony Mountain?

I dunno.  I stated my reasons for not giving the guys money, not why it
should not be done.  

One other problem I have with Ebony Mountain, apart from the fact that
it honors living men and represents environmental destruction, is that
it ignores black women.  

But if they want to carve the thing, I am not stopping them.
From: edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Juridiscations, patents and such
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 12:55:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <TT.92Sep12185723@tarzan.jyu.fi>

>Hmm.  How does the hypothetical scenario legally differ from
>Craig's coming over to Finland to write the software?

No difference.  

>Just leaving USA with the ability to write export-controlled
>software cannot be illegal ... or as USA considers its jurisdiction
>to cover other countries, maybe it's illegal by US laws to create
>such software anywhere, and any country that allows it is
>liable to a visit by the marines?

The act of technology transfer took place when the technology was made availabl
e
to a party in Finland.  So, Craig can travel all over the globe he wants, there
is no export as long as he does not pass on the information.

As to jurisdiction, it's an interesting issue.  The Rhenquist court ruled last
year that as long as an extradition treaty does not prohibit kidnapping, we
can send some one out anywhere to haul any one intoa U.S. Court.  Implicit
in that ruling is that it's all the more ok to kidnap any one for the purpose
of hauling into a U.S. court, if no extradition treaty exist.
From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Summary: Usage flame
Keywords: Tov ba-n'hashim ha'rog.
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:52:45 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.

In article <1992Sep14.111631.15318@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> 
dany@kalanit.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Nabutovsky Dan) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.214246.25974@news.columbia.edu> 
>ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:

>>If something is written against Prophet Muhammad, it is literature;
>>[Imran Anwar]

Literature or not, it is surely impolite to write the Prophet's name 
without the invocation, "Allah's blessing and peace upon him and his
companions," as Mr. Anwar has done here.

A little more respect next time, please.

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

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Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct
From: merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: Once more into the breach, dear friends (was: Re: Ted babbles again
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:06:39 GMT

egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.132720.26920@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>>R.A.V. concerned a different legal issue: whether it is Constitutional
>>to allow state action that punishes someone for expressing hateful
>>ideas.

>Bullshit, fella.  The law enhanced the penalties for pre-existing acts
>that were already illegal.

Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.
Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.
Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.
Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.
Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.
Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.  Wrong, Ed.

RAV was NOT charged WITH ANY OTHER CRIME!  Not ARSON, not TRESPASSING,
not THREATENING, not ANYTHING.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR MASSIVLY THICK SKULL, YOU EEEDIOT!

---
MERLYN "REN" LEROY
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hey, Roy, is that the law?
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:15:19 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Sep14.200127.5979@access.usask.ca>, choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.) writes:
> What is the basis on which lawmakers anchor themselves? How do they
> determine the justice or rightness of something?
> 
> Henry Choy
> choy@cs.usask.ca

It comes down to their own consciences.  Such a broad question can
only have a broad answer.  What's your point in asking? === Al
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hornbooks
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:17:28 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <65570@cup.portal.com>, edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan 
kwok) writes:
> Don't forget "Criminal Law" by Lafave and Israel . . .

Are you thinking LaFave and Scott?  That's the pair who wrote mine (pub. by 
West).

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Keywords: Kidnapping
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:11:18 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.

In article <1992Sep6.165813.16518@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> 
perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.125020.27141@gdstech.grumman.com> david@gdstech.UUCP 
>(David Nettles) writes:

>>For example, there are laws that exist to deal
>>with the crime of rape.  While rape can be broken down to being
>>assualt and kidnapping, there is a recognition of the harm done by
>>this specific form of "assualt and kidnapping".  [David Nettles]

>Rape is not necessarily kidnapping. If the perpetrator indeed abducts
>his victim, that is kidnapping, but if he rapes her where he found her,
>it is no more a kidnapping than a mugging is.   [Charles Perez]

Is the victim being raped free to get up and leave at any time?
If she is, then it's not even rape.  If she isn't -- if the
perpetrator is interfering with her freedom to leave -- then
it's legally kidnapping, just as hostage-takers are charged
with kidnapping even if they hold their hostages in the place
where they found them.

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: (312)-E-B-O-N-Y--M-T
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:31:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.232400.10813@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>
>>All of this may be true, but if Mr. Nilges or anyone else is *really*
>>interested in fighting Racism, he will support the drive to honor 
>>the men who have fought so valiantly against Racism:
>>
>>                             "EBONY MOUNTAIN
>>
>>    "A drive is underway to honor Black heroes by creating an
>>     Ebony Mountain.  The mountain will represent a global tribute
>>     to five distinctive great Black men:  Dr. Martin Luther King
>>     Jr., Macolm X, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Marcus Garvey and
>>     Nelson Mandela.

Hmm, I'd rather support the effort of the black man who I met last
August on Outward Bound's Sierra Challenge mountaineering expedition,
Mr. Keith Ware.  Keith proposes to be the first African-American man to
climb Everest (indeed, I understand, the first black man.)  His effort
shows more respect for the environment than tearing up a mountain, does
it not?  Furthermore, Louis Farrakhan is alive and my understanding is
that you don't place a man on a mountain, or a stamp, until he is dead.

>>What about that, readers?  Have you called (312)-E-B-O-N-Y--M-T 
>>and pledged your generous contribution yet?  Or is all this talk
>>about opposing Racism just that -- talk?

I know that it is the fashion in America to dismiss political talk as
"just talk", but it happens that human beings are creatures of LANGUAGE
and as such much of real politics is...talk.  We have to talk about
stuff in order to get the right things done, and it's the Nazis who
dismissed the "talkers."  And with "talkers" like the poster who said
that Jesse Jackson gave him the desire to "hate the fucking niggers"
loose about the shop, it's high time people higher on the goddamn food
chain started talking.  



Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: kemery@nmsu.edu (Kendal Emery)
Subject: Re: Being a lawyer: what's it like?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: misc
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:47:26 GMT


In Article: <1992Sep15.000214.23074@linus.mitre.org>

Jeff writes:

>I'm considering new career paths and am curious about law. But it seems
>difficult to find info on what it's like to actually work as a lawyer
>(I'm skeptical of TV & movies). I've read Turow's "One L" and am currently
>partway through "Broken Contract". But those only tell me about law
>school (Harvard in particular), not practice. Law school sounds fas-
>cinating, but so was my previous schooling -- I need to know whether
>I'll like what comes AFTER the education. Also, how easy is it to
>practice the kind of law you like, and how lucrative are the various
>fields? (Yes, that is ONE consideration.)

>I'd appreciate whatever you can tell me, firsthand or book references.

>Books I currently have: "Lawyers on Trial" and "Courtroom Crusaders."

>Respond by E-mail or post.

>Thanks,
>       -- Jeff R.
>          jcr@mbunix.mitre.org

Yeah, me too.

Actually I am really interested in Corporate Law, or possibly
Civil Law specializing in Civil Rights Protection.

I am looking at going to UNM. (anyone from there want to tell
me what it is like,  how hard it is to get in, etc....)

Thanks for any info.

Kendal
kemery@dante.nmsu.edu



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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.com (Patrick Jost)
Subject: What is 'Bard v Kent'?
Reply-To: Patrick Jost <jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.com>
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:18:16 GMT

This seems to be a famous law school case here...(not in the UK), what is it?



Thanks,



Patrick


-- 
..suenos perdidos, dolor infinito, ya sin sentido, en el triste fluir, de los
llantos sumergidos, al silencio de un grito en el vacio... (J. L. Velasquez)

              Patrick Jost/jost@coyote.trw.com/(310) 812-2759
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Latest FBI Wiretap Bill
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.214928.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.160500.20039@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>> 
>> It would "surprise" the hell out of me, Matthew; the NSA is not a
>> law-enforcement agency any more than, say, the Census Bureau is.
>
>Actually from what I've read, it's against the law to send encryption
>software or algorithms outside the country without some sort of
>permission.  You can send all the garbage messages you want outside
>the country, as long as you don't send the means to read those
>messages outside also.  === Al

Al, how is this a response to my comment about the NSA's not being a
law-enforcement agency?


--Mike




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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net (was: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:47:15 GMT
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Sep13.195345.21559@Princeton.EDU> by egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges):

> Damn right, Imran.  I was sickened by the beginning of the manufacture
> of anti-Arab racism during the Six Day War, years ago.  I remember being
> told of how those beastly old Arabs mistreated women...as if women
> aren't mistreated in Christian America, and as if Robin Morgan did not
> describe, recently, how Israeli men buy pornography that portrays Jewish
> women as captives of Nazis.

Then the women of Princeton aren't allowed to drive themselves to the 
gynocologist for their clitoridectomies?  Being a notoriously radical campus,
I imagine you allow them to wear chadors in a variety of shocking colors....

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