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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:43:00 LCL
Reply-To:     Bob Abbott <bob.abbott@pcohio.com>
From:         Bob Abbott <bob.abbott@PCOHIO.COM>
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Subject:      Re: Sitelock 3.3

AS>The usual way these `wrapping' copy protection utilities work, as I understa
AS>it, is to attach some code to the program's executable (either .com or.exe)
AS>and rename it: the original name is then used for a small `stub' program
AS>which when run calls the real executable after making whatever access/valid-
AS>ation checks are specified. So, 123.exe might be modified and renamed %%%.ex
AS>or somesuch; the program then names `123.exe' is only the stub created by th
AS>copy protection program. Anyone copying this gets only some small and enture
AS> y#entirely useless executable, and even if they copy the renamed `real' exe
AS> tableit will not run without being called by the stub and the stub won't ru
AS> unless
AS>it is located on a file server so that it can check the bindery and/or the
AS>trustee assignments and maybe some private database of its own to see if the
AS>current user or use is valid.

AS>Don't know if this approach is entirely secure or foolproof but it strikes m
AS>as a better one that the permanent TSR approach and certainly better than th
AS>ridiculous batch file trick, something that could only fool the most naive
AS>user, not likely to be the type who want to copy your software!

  How well does the above work with programs that have internal
overlays?

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:19:00 PST
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From:         Michael_Kessler.Hum@MAILGATE.SFSU.EDU
Subject:      STATION ID

I have a need to idendify each station by a specific ID number or name
which makes more sense than the ID number on the Ethernet cards.  In this
instance, I use Room number, row and station number, as in Rm114r3s6.  The
problem was in getting this ID established in the DOS environment to be
used by programs such as Saber Meter.  For others wishing to do the same
thing, here's what I did.

1. I used Jeff Pilant's suggestion and included "DOS SET NODE="%P_STATION"
<< 6" in the System Login Script.

2.  Each user's login script ends with the following line: EXIT "ADDR"

3.  In the SYS:\LOGIN directory I created a subdirectory called ADDRESS in
which I created a dummy .bat file called XXXX.BAT

4.  the ADDR.BAT file reads as follows (located with in a directory with
all the other batch files--[ R   F] rights for users:

@ECHO OFF
IF EXIST D:ADDRESS\%NODE%.BAT GOTO ADR
COPY D:ADDRESS\XXXX.BAT D:ADDRESS\%NODE%.BAT
V:\WP\PCW3\ED D:ADDRESS\%NODE%.BAT
GOTO CONT
:ADR
CALL D:ADDRESS\%NODE%.BAT
GOTO CONT
:CONT
MENU

Since I am the supervisor who installs cards and software on new machines,
tests them and assigns them to rooms, the first time I login on that
machine, I will be prompted to write the station's ID using in this
instance PC-Write, but any text editor will do.

Sample %node%.bat file:
@ECHO OFF
SET S_STATION=RM114R3S6
SET NODE=

Just thought that someone else might find this useful.

Michael_Kessler@HUM.SFSU.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:49 EDT
Reply-To:     mbluett@datacom.ccs.uoguelph.ca
From:         Mike Bluett <MBLUETT@CCS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      MIB's for Novell??

Does anyone know if there are any MIB definition files available that
would allow us to control the functioning of a NW 3.11 server? We are
using HP OpenView as our SNMP monitor.


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Mike Bluett        (mbluett@datacom.ccs.uoguelph.ca)
Systems Analyst
The University of Guelph
Guelph, Ontario
Canada
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:16:00 CST
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From:         "Don M. Wee/Loyola Univ Chicago" <$ACSDMW@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: No Math - 486SX or 486DX

> >Is there any reason to purchase a 486DX for a server
> >if all we use are:
> >It's my understanding that if I'm not using mathematical computations muchm,
> >I don't need a 486DX.  Would any of the above software counsel against
> >a 486SX?
> >Present setup: 386 server, 9 workstations, Novell 3.11
> >Potential growth to: 50 or 100 workstations
> ----------
>         Whoa. The file server serves files, nothing of DOS is executed in
> the server nor does the server run DOS as an operating or file system. So
> look at your packet rates to form an opinion about available bandwidth
> with the applications of choice. Generally very little server cpu activity
> is involved in serving files, but disk and lan adapters are very important
> to good performance. Do your own benchmarking rather than using some stylized
> number generator and that will be closer to your real requirements.
>         Joe D.

Joe raises an important point: CPU is rarely the bottleneck on
a Novell server.  BUT even if you get enough demand, fast enough bus and
disk controller and network interface card to MAKE the CPU a potential
bottleneck, remember that ALL of your applications (unless you
run a database server or backup server or some other program you buy as
a VAP or NLM) run on user workstations, NOT on the server.  If you
are going to run Autocad or SPSS, you want the math coprocessor(s)
on each desktop, NOT in the server.
   When the 486SX first came out, this question was pretty popular.
General consensus was that NW 3.x kernel was written to run on
80386 without 80387.  Some tweaking apparently was done to take
advantage of 80486's special handling of 32-bit instructions, but
Netware still doesn't use/need the math unit.  It is not
an accident that IBM positions their PS/2 Model 85 80486SX as a
file server...if Intel made 50 or 66 MHz "SX/2" speed-doubled 80486s,
you'd see even more high end servers as SXes.  As it is, people
who are piling a lot of demand onto a server sometimes DO move up to
a DX just to get the faster clock speed (MHz).
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:59:00 EST
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From:         "Bob.Cowling" <23130MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      (CUH) Need memory or ?

Have you tried using the /r switch when starting WordPerfect?
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:41:00 -0800
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From:         John Villalovos <villalj@INSTRUCTION.CS.ORST.EDU>
Organization: Oregon State University
Subject: Re: The answer to all PrinterAccounting Questions

In article <1AAE43E64008D968@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> you write:
> Well here it is the long awaited answer on all printer accounting
>packages. I have received several answers to my questions about them.
>Below follows a summary of my experience with them.
>
>First of all I have tested two packages: Pcont21a.zip and
>pserv27a.zip.

Where can you get these from?

Thanks,
--
John Villalovos
Certified Netware Engineer
villalj@xanth.cs.orst.edu
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:23:00 EST
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From:         John Bruni 647-2133 <BRUNIJ@A1.ISD.UPMC.EDU>
Subject:      2.15-Changing Supervisor P/W

Got a 2.15 server that has been dug out of a closet somewhere to which there is
"very important data" on, (when and why it became important was not made
clear.)

As you may have guessed, nothing exists by way of documentation for this
server.  Can anyone point me to where I can get the detail on changing the
supervisor's password on a 2.15 server.  I figure that since it can't be
accessed now, any attempt on my part cannot cause too much harm.

Thanks
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From: stanworthdjh@vax1.bham.ac.uk (Dave <Rubicon>)
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Subject: NWPOPUP.EXE menu ???
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:55:12 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham
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Fellows netters, 
 
I have been updating our machines with the new DOSUP6 and 
WINUP7 files, and generally speaking everything has gone 
well. 
 
The only real problem seems to be with the new NWPOPUP.EXE 
and NETWARE.DRV files.  I have installed them as specified, 
and I have created an INI called NETWARE.INI, and have inserted 
the apropriate lines.  However, on booting up Windows I can not 
seem to get the F6 key to bring up a menu.  I've inserted 
NWPOPUP.EXE in the Load= line, but when I do a task check, it 
does not seem to be running.  If I receive any mail, an alert 
box appears, so I presume that I must be doing something right! 
 
What is the NETWARE.INI file for, and what usually creates it? 
Should I be in SUPERVISOR mode to get access to the menu? 
Is the menu really worth all this trouble ?? 
 
Thanks in anticipation, 
Dave 

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:57:46 -0500
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From:         Patricia Anne <anneklin@ACS.BU.EDU>
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Subject:      Re: Connecting with NOVELL.COM

You're on a machine running VM/CMS, right?  The problem is that your
'@' is being sent as a backspace.  Send mail to CFARMER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU.
Tell him Mike Dorman sent you, and that he is supposed to tell you the
magic parameter for your profile that will eliminate the '@' bug when
sending your address to an FTP site.

It's been 6+ months since I worked on UA1VM, so I don't remember the
correct parameter for your profile exec.

Mike.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:22:25 EST
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From:         "Paul R. Weber" <prw1@POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Everywhere Access

Could someone please tell who sells Everywhere Access?

Thanks.
Paul Weber
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Paul R. Weber
Technical Support Specialist
Mann Library
Cornell University
(607) 255-7705
prw1@postoffice.mailcornell.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:26:36 -0600
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From:         DDV5213@TNTECH.BITNET
Subject:      CLIENT SERVER COMPUTING

I am a graduate student at Tennessee Technological University doing a
research paper on client server computing.  I am interested in what IS
professionals define client server to be.  Also, I would appreciate it if
you would share any sources of info that you have found while doing your
research.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:39:47 -0400
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From:         MICHAEL@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Re: MAIL BOUNCE

>Why is it that everytime I post something to the list, it seems to
>post ok but I get a bounced message saying:
>
>     From Postmaster@ccmailer.aux.gasou.edu Wed Jan 27 10:56:29 1993
>     Returned Mail: Could not find any To: or Cc: recipients.
>
>I think someone else mentioned this as well...

   Happens here too.  Now I don't know if my original posting was posted
   or not.  And I probably won't know if this was posted either ...

>Brian Olson
>Emeritus Technologies - Home of the TapeWare tape backup software.
>2750 N. Clovis Ave.         !FREE TAPEWARE DEMO - just e-yell!
>Fresno CA 93727  U.S.A.
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From:         "Jene Atkinson, Jr." <ATKINSON@BART.MIO.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Locked out of network

>    I made an error in my system login script which now locks everyone out of
>    the network.  I cannot login as supervisor or equivalent, or rather,
>    according to monitor, I am logged in, but I am obviously locked at the end
>    of the system login script and everything is frozen.  Does anyone have a
>    solution?
>
>  1. attach server_name/supervisor
>  2. map x:=server_name/sys:
>  3. edit x:\public\net$log.dat to fix the problem

Not bad but why not in step 2, go to SYS:PUBLIC (or where you have
SYSCON), and then step 3, run SYSCON and modify the system login
script.  Same difference really.

Jene
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: WellFleet, Cisco or Retix?
Summary: Re: What about 3Com?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:27:14 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <NOVELL%93011611374212@SUVM.SYR.EDU>,         Richard Letts <R.J.Letts@SALFORD.AC.UK> writes:
> >         We are in the process of purchasing a "super" router to handle our
> > network.  We are implementing a "collapsed backbone" approach with fiber, etc.
> > and need to have a central router to route everything.  We have had meetings
> > with Retix, Cisco and Wellfleet, all of whom have products to meet our needs.
> > I was wondering if any of you would be willing to comment on any of these
> > companies (particularly Retix and Wellfleet) and any successes or failures
>  that
> I am currently using four AGS+ routers, linked using FDDI. We have had one DOA
> ethernet interface board 18 months ago, giving us quite high reliability.
> I've not used the other routers, but I'd buy cisco again.
> 
> Richard
> --
Well fellas,

Here in Houston, we are using 3Com Netbuilder II's.  They are much less 
expensive than cisco (who isn't?) and extremely fast and reliable. 

I work for a hospital with a patient-care related backbone, (if it goes
down, children's care will be affected) therefore, service and support
both locally and up to the corporate office are VERY important.  3Com
beats out everyone in this area. Their support goes all the way to the
corporate office... which again, I consider important.

Hope this helps.

Randy Cosby
Network Manager
Texas Children's Hospital
Texas Medical Center
Houston, Texas
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:24:24 U
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From:         Swensen <Swensen@GMAIL.LCLARK.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Pserver

Thanks for the help... can I get this from Novell.com or some other FTP site?
And if so...have you an idea as to what the filename is?
_______________________________________________________________________________

> Didn't I see messages that the PSERVER.NLM had been updated from version
1.21?
> I have that version, and is this why my PSERVER freezes on occaision?

I know that 1.22 has been out for quite some time, which supposedly
fixes the freezing problem.  I think PSERVER is in the 1.27 range
now.

   - Rick -

MHS:       Rick@Felton via NHUB or CSERVE
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From:         "Jorge Dvila, COMPUQUIM" <J_DAVILA%CUHAC@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU>
Subject:      (CUH) Still looking for MOSAIC.

Hi,

We have MAC's and PC's on the same E'net segment (NW2.2) but we don't
have/need a PostScript printer.

I read on a book about a product called Mosaic.  It "allows MacIntosh
computers to print to PCL Hewlett-Packard LaserJet [...] printers."
It was invented by Insight Development Corp.

Anybody using this software?
Any phone numbers of that company?

BOOK:
        NetWare: The Macintosh Connection, Marty Jost

Thanks,


Jorge L. Davila                 INTERNET: J_DAVILA%CUHAC@upr1.upr.clu.edu
Electronic Systems Programmer
University of Puerto Rico
Humacao University College
Chemistry Department
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:05:00 LCL
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From:         MTISDELL <MTISDELL@LARSE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Do trustee rights cascade?

>I used to think that trustee rights always cascaded downwards in the
>directory structure. If more trustee rights were added, then my
effective >rights was an AND between the previous rights, and the new
rights.
>Now I find that seeting more rights in a subdirectory basically puts a
stop >to what I previously had. Let me illustrate:

>Here's how I thought it worked:
>SYS:APPS   [ R    F ]   effective rights [ R   F ]
>SYS:APPS/LOTUS  [  CE  ] effective rights [ RCEF]

>This is what really happens:
>SYS:APPS        [ R  F ]  effective rights [ R  F ]
>SYS:APPS/LOTUS  [  CE  ]  effective rights [  CE  ]

>But if I'm a member of a group which has been assigned rights to APPS,
but
>I as an individual user am assigned "new" rights in APPS/LOTUS, then it
does
>work as in my previous example.
>Is this really the way it should work, or is there a patch that I have
>forgotten to load? :-)

The allow utility controls what rights are inherited down the tree.
If a directory has been setup so that no rights are allowed to be
inherited,
then it does not mater what rights you have in the parent (either group
or
individual), you will not have any rights in the child directory unless
they are grant to you explicitly.
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From:         "James Peterson 617.393.3255" <JPETERSON@ZIS.ZIFF.COM>
Subject:      Re: Novell drivers for windows NT

NetWare Drivers for NT are not available at this time.  They were demoed
at NetWorld.

You should contact Novell Developer Relations and ask for availability info.

-jp
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:38:00 LCL
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From:         Bob Abbott <bob.abbott@PCOHIO.COM>
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Subject:      Re: cron equivilent for d

F>The programs that come with the Mountain Tape Backup have a program that will
F>do what you want.  It is called autoset and is used with autorun.  I'm sure
F>that someone around you will have it.  I don't know off-hand what the memory
F>quirements are, but I don't think that they are all that much.

F>Good luck.
F> >
F>> Does anyone know of any program which does the eqivalent of cron in DOS
F>> (ie a timer which fires up a program at a particular time -> it would have
F>> to be a tsr).

  AUTO SET and AUTORUN are copyrighted programs available only when you
purchase Mountain's tape drives.  They are not public domain.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:00 LCL
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From:         dkearns <DKEARNS.TCC@KLAVEN.TCI.COM>
Subject:      FWD: SMTP message through S-Bridge gateway

MS> Some of our campus use Novell on Arcnet cards.
MS> We are going to add some workstations in the future (in 1,2 years).
MS> But, our reseller claims that he won't be sale the Arcnet cards
MS> and Aktiv Hubs, because Arcnet won't be in use in 2,3 years.
MS> I called an other resellers and they told me the same.
MS> I know that Ethernet is better (we have Novell on Ethernet).
MS>

1) There is no global concept of "better" when discussing the merits of
Ethernet, Arcnet, Token Ring, FDDI, TCNS, etc. "better" is what's best for
you.

2) Arcnet will be with us past the turn of the century - although sales
will gradually diminish over time.

-dave

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