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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:21:40 -0500
From:         SULKES@UCBEH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hypertext in comp and lit

David, I read your plan for your writing class with
great interest.  As yet, I know only enough about StorySpace
to be intrigued by it but still ignorant of its uses.
Nevertheless, I'd be very greatful if you could keep
me (perhaps us) posted of what you're doing.  Have you
created handouts yet?  If so, could I see them?  If
it's not too much trouble, could you mail some to me
at Raymond Walters College, 9555 Plainfield Rd., Blue
Ash, OH 45236.  I'm going on leave next year and would
like nothing better than re-charging my teaching
batteries.  What you're doing might be it.  Thanks,
Stan Sulkes.
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From:         SLATIN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: is the end of "the paper" in

Bill Wresch: could it be that the five-paragraph theme, whose rudiments seem
so hard for so many students to hold on to, as you say, is part of the
problem?

John Slatin
UT Austin
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:05:23 -0600
From:         RONRON@USU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Multimedia & hypermedia

I have to hop in on this. I've been teaching a technical writing class
in which I force students as a first step to hand me a draft in which they
give as much information as they can visually -- no words at all. I stress
that they consider any item visually before they do verbally.  It's one
of my most successful attempts, and one the students like.  We don't
consider inductive vs deductive -- just the communicative value of
visuals. They can see that. With hypertext or hypermedia, the
possibilities multiply exponentially. Ron Shook
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:35:28 -0500
From:         SULKES@UCBEH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: is the end of "the paper" in

Irvin, I seem to have stepped into the
end of your comments on using hypertext in
the writing classroom.  Can you or someone else
brief me on it? Provide a citation or two?  I'd
love to know more about this.  Thanks, Stan Sulkes
, Raymond Walters College.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:43:28 CST
From:         ellis <nse2@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nancy--Remedial/working

I appreciate all the comments you are offering as response to the
questions about "remedial" work.  As a "softened-hearted" mom of a
student who struggles  and of one who excels, I try to look at my
students as individuals.  And -- I think I success with them one-on-one.
That doesn't mean though that I don't struggle as well with the broad
questions that become easy generalizations based on repeated experiences.

What I'm trying to say is that I can see the "person" but I also sometimes
feel overwhelmed at the TASK the "crowd" represents!

To go back to some of that personal experience and to use a very homey
image, when I last taught in a public high school (and by the way, I'd
make $8,000 a year more if I had chosen to STAY in such a situation!!)
I felt daily as if I were being asked to bake an angel food cake out of
corn meal!

I can do lots of good things with corn meal (make some mean hushpuppies
and killer Mexican cornbread), but I CANNOT turn cornmeal into angel food
cake!  And I don't know any one who can!!!!

Too often we are expected to do the impossible --
Don't hire me to teach X and then give me students who can't read the
text book ... and then don't turn X into a watered-down version that
counts for X.

I still don't like the idea of "remedial" work being considered COLLEGE.
Maybe we ought to create grades 13 and 14 ????

I'm still torn, folks!
Nancy Ellis
nse2@ra.mstate.edu
Mississippi State Univ
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:31:59 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: is the end of "the paper" in sight?

>  I've never used hypertext in class (and I've barely used it myself), but I'm
> fascinated by the possibilities, and I too wonder how my students (college ESL
> at the lowest level and also right before moving into freshman comp) would
> react to it.  Some of my students are highly literate in their native
 languages
> and would, presumably, deal with it in the same way we linearly trained
> teachers do (though with some added confusion from operating in another
> language), but what of those others who are still in the beginning stages of
> learning how to navigate their way through static, linear text?  Would hyper-
> space movement feel more natural to them?  Would it interfere with their
> ability to acquire "traditional" literacy?  I don't know, but it's a
> fascinating area to explore.      --Alicia Conklin
>
Alicia:
You and I are in the same boat (or, given postructural discourse, should
I say occupying the same site or discursive space?).  I am eager to try
out hyptertext writing with my students, but I do want to know more about
how it will help students who have been struck dumb by five paragraph
instruction and worse--that is, the students who walk into my classroom
with a deadly fear of writing and convinced that whatever they have to
say in text is wrong.  I will be eager to try hypertext writing out in
special classes.  Is anyone designing a class devoted only to hyptertext
writing?
Irv

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From: rbhumbla@ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:20:26 GMT
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Could someone tell me how to contact the administrators of the
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Could you please e-mail to me directly at rbhumbla@ucsd.edu.  Our
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From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:12:36 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T


Hum....I've been there twice since moving into
that area of Matawan and was just starting to like them....
I thought they did a good job with reasonable prices.
And they had chances to "take me to the cleaners"
The first time I went was for my NJ State Inspection
(I decided the $$$ to them was better than waiting in line
at the DOT in Eatontown).  They could of said lots of things
were wrong and needed fixing to pass but ....A clean bill of
health.  My car is 4+ years old and probably is a good
candidate for "things needing repair".
The other time I took my car in was for a 60K mile checkup
including replacing the timing belt.  Much cheaper than the dealer
(not like that says alot, the dealer is Schartz and Sons Madza)
and they didn't find anything "wrong" to repair other than
the timing belt.  My bill for the 60K checkup was almost
half of my husband'd (who went to the dealer).

Ofcourse, once you have a bad expeirnce, no one will
change your mind.  I seemed to have lots of problems
with Herbie's in Lincroft when I first moved here 6 yrs ago.
Seems like everyone else liked them.  After a spark plug
problem, which I had another mechanic check out, I went
back there, told them what the other mechanic said, requested
they fix it and after a 10 minute scalding about the other
mechanic's inexperience/inability was told 
never to come there again.  So I didn't.

--C. Mount
hogpa!cjsm
From: yxx3446@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: AA
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:53:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

QQ
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:33:36 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov5.182530.1248@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> bench@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.benscher) writes:
> DON'T USE MULLANEY'S TIRE AND SERVICE CENTER IN ABERDEEN, NJ!  
> I recently had my car serviced there and have one minor complaint
> and one major one.
> 
>     [description deleted]

On the other hand, I was very pleased with them.  In changing a flat I
managed to snap off one of the bolts.  I was able to get the car to
them on the remaining three bolts, and expected a big charge for
replacing some complicated wheel assembly.  Instead, it was about $25
including fixing the wheel, fixing the flat, and changing the tire.

I suspect the standard deviation may be high.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
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From: atoth@math.rutgers.edu (arpad toth)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Ride offered, Thanksgiving, New Brunswick-->Columbus, OH
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:53:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I intend to leave Wed. afternoon, return Sunday.
If interested please e-mail to: atoth@math.rutgers.edu.
Hope you are willing to share gas/driving.

Arpad
From: yxx3446@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: TRY
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:51:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

XXXX
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:51:29 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Clarification: Mullaney's never mentioned a "complicated wheel assembly."
*I* thought this might be involved.  Now maybe they attributed to be
more knowledge about car wheels than I have, but they could just as easily
have claimed it was complicated to see if they could get away with it.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
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        He throws them where they cannot be seen."  --Stephen Hawking
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From: atoth@math.rutgers.edu (arpad toth)
Newsgroups: nj.misc,princeton.general,nj.general
Subject: Ride offered to Columbus, OH - Thanksgiving
Keywords: ride
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:39:08 GMT
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Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Leaving New Brunswivck on Wednesday, returning on Sunday.
If interested, please e-mail to atoth@math.rutgers.edu.
(Hope you'll share gas/driving!)

Thanks.
From: bench@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.benscher)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:25:30 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

DON'T USE MULLANEY'S TIRE AND SERVICE CENTER IN ABERDEEN, NJ!  
I recently had my car serviced there and have one minor complaint
and one major one.

(1) They left the window open during a rain storm

(2) They deliberately (I claim) sabotaged my car
    (i.e., damaged a spark plug) so that I would
    have to bring the car back for more service.
    (The car was in perfect running order and I had
    recently checked the spark plug gaps.)

I realize I am not backing this claim up with evidence,
but would be happy to provide more explanation if anyone cares.
If anyone has other complaints about them I'd like to hear about
it also.

Dan Benscher
bud@hotld.att.com
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:23:26 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov7.023336.2684@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

> In article <1992Nov5.182530.1248@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> bench@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.benscher) writes:
> > DON'T USE MULLANEY'S TIRE AND SERVICE CENTER IN ABERDEEN, NJ!  
> > I recently had my car serviced there and have one minor complaint
> > and one major one.
> On the other hand, I was very pleased with them.  In changing a flat I
> managed to snap off one of the bolts.  I was able to get the car to
> them on the remaining three bolts, and expected a big charge for
> replacing some complicated wheel assembly.  Instead, it was about $25
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If they charged you only $25 for the whole thing, this was undoubtedly
something they vaguely described to you as complicated - it was
probably more like they had to replace a valve stem or such.

> including fixing the wheel, fixing the flat, and changing the tire.
> I suspect the standard deviation may be high.
> Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com

I suspect that for something relatively simple like you describe, they
could hardly rip you off - most folks would certainly balk at having
to pay more than $25 for what you describe - fixing a flat shouldn't
be more than 10 bucks tops, changing the tire another 5 or so,
balancing the tire is another 5 or so, tax, and the remainder to the
*complicated wheel assembly do-hickey*. 

On the other hand, if your car is already there for some mechanical
problem, then they have reason to put your car on a lift or pop the
hood and *find* something else wrong with it etc..... This has
happened to me a few times with various ripoff chains. In my opinion,
there are 2 kinds of auto-service places - sleazy and outright
crooked. It's kinda like this past Presidential election..... the
choice was which of the evils do you want to pick.  



Mark
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:44:29 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Nov5.182530.1248@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, by bench@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.benscher):
> DON'T USE MULLANEY'S TIRE AND SERVICE CENTER IN ABERDEEN, NJ!  
> I recently had my car serviced there and have one minor complaint
> and one major one.
> 
> (1) They left the window open during a rain storm
> 
> (2) They deliberately (I claim) sabotaged my car
>     (i.e., damaged a spark plug) so that I would
>     have to bring the car back for more service.

I don't know anything about Mullaney's, but I've had similar
experiences in other places in various parts of the country.

I think there are basically two kinds of auto repair shops, the good
ones and the crooks.  If they're good, they don't have to be crooks.

Where the mechanics know what they're doing, they do the job right the
first time, make lots of money because they take less time than the
book says, and have to turn away business because so many of their
customers recommend them to their friends and relatives.

Where the mechanics don't know what they're doing, they can't fix the
problems you bring in, so the only way they can make any money is by
fixing problems they create themselves.

I'm sure there are shops in between these extremes, but these are the
basic types.

As for Mullaney's, I don't know anything about them.  The damage could
have been caused by a clumsy apprentice.  Of course, I've seen more
than one good shop ruined because they got more business than they
could handle and took on less skilled mechanics when they expanded.
But I won't say anything about Mullaney's.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: jrv@siemens.com. (Jim Vallino)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:21:37 GMT
Reply-To: jvallino@siemens.siemens.com
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Inc.

I know several people who have recommended Mullaney's to me.  They have used
them for many years.  My wife took her car there for new brakes and a tune up
and then later to change the timing belt.  Both times she was treated nicely,
the work was done quickly, and the prices was quite reasonable in my
estimation.

Just another data point to consider.

Jim
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(609) 734-3331                     755 College Road East
(609) 734-6565 fax                 Princeton, NJ 08540
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From: atoth@math.rutgers.edu (arpad toth)
Newsgroups: nj.misc,nj.general,princeton.general
Subject: Ride offered, Thanksgiving, New Brunswick --> Columbus, OH
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:45:27 GMT
Followup-To: nj.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


If interested, please e-mail to: atoth@math.rutgers.edu
I intend to leave Wed afternoon, return Sunday.
There are still 2 places left, hope you'll share gas/driving.

Arpad
From: masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Don't go to Mullaney's Tire in Aberdeen, NJ
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:33:54 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

bench@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.benscher) writes:

>(2) They deliberately (I claim) sabotaged my car
>    (i.e., damaged a spark plug) so that I would
>    have to bring the car back for more service.
>    (The car was in perfect running order and I had
>    recently checked the spark plug gaps.)

I've had gaps drift on brand-new spark plugs, and I'm sure no one
sabotaged anything because I did the work myself. (Don't buy Champion
plugs!) Ceramic insulators have also been known to fracture without
any human aid. I'd say your claim wouldn't hold water in court, unless
you actually saw their mechanic pull the plug without your permission.

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Subject: FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:02:16 GMT

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From: jmayer@drew.drew.edu (john erinn mayer)
Newsgroups: nj.general
Subject: Banking....hoe FUN.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:40:42 GMT
Organization: constant craving is all i know.

There's always First (In)Fidelity Bank, which has lotsa branches, but 
if you live near one, A Summit/Somerset Trust Company, which gives you 
unlimited use of any MAC machine anywhere anytime for only $12 
(deposits in Noo Joihsey only). If you live near Newark, The National 
State Bank Of Elizabeth is also pretty easy to deal with. Also:Avoid 
MidLantic....they seem to change their fee schedules with no reason 
and certainly no rhyme.

-john (National State Bank depositor)erinn mayer
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From: wws@rruxc.uucp (Still Searching)
Newsgroups: nj.general,nj.misc
Subject: Shollar Family Fund
Keywords: survivors of Gail Shollar
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:10:09 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

Many of you have heard of the horrible murder of Gail Shollar last week.
She is survived by a husband and 3 children.
A fund has been established to aid her family.
Donations can be sent to:

	The Shollar Family Fund
	Our Lady of Fatima Roman Catholic Church
	501 New Market Road
	Piscataway, N.J. 08854

wws
wws@cc.bellcore.com           |  I don't have to be ashamed of the car I drive,
proud owner/driver of a       |  I'm just glad to be here, happy to be alive.
*16 Valve* '74 Plymouth Wagon |          - The Traveling Wilburys (Tom Petty)
> 218,000 miles + ~75/day     |          - End of the Line
Newsgroups: nj.general,rec.autos.driving
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24227-fusco)
Subject: GSP and photo-what?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: regional
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:55:43 GMT
Followup-To: poster

	The last tollbooth (north) on the Garden State Parkway (NJ)
has some cameras located (perched high and looking down at the
driver) on the north side of most booths.
Ayone know what they are for?
I also noticed some funky antenna system in front of
one of the booths.........maybe thats why my radar detector
goes nuts near GSP tollbooths...

mf
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