HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Coming out to teachers...
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:09:35 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <rhialto.002q@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@cs.kun.nl writes:
>In article <31164@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.010303.24382@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
>>>[ And what's this "liberal viewpoint" bullshit?  I don't think I'm
>>>  liberal... am I? ]
>>When it comes to sexual matters, you seem pretty liberal to me.  I use the
>>L-word as a compliment, by the way.
>Absolutely (whole last paragraph). As long as you stick to the "American"
>meaning of "liberal". In Dutch, I would't want to be called "liberaal"...
>it is associated with "capitalist" and "conservative (on monetary issues,
>at least)". [in general, the liberal party (the VVD) is considered to be in
>the political center or just right of it.] Just a matter of political
>culture... (And a related word, libertine, has been spoiled for me by a
>certain French marquis (though he presumably misuses it)).

The "American" meaning?  but I always thought that, in certain American
circles, at least, the (so-called) "L-word" was about the most vile insult
that one could throw at an opponent... meaning something approximating
to "statist", if I've interpreted the political invective I've met on
soc.motss.

Interesting, this cultural difference:

Country			Meaning of "Liberal" or equivalent
=======			==================================
America			Statist
the Netherlands		Centre-rightist
UK			Dog-assassin :)

Oh, and the "Marquis": he wasn't; merely a Comte.  His Marquisate was
pure affectation.

					Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry Poly, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Coming out to teachers...
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:16:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr6.010303.24382@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
+
+A few examples from the textbook:
+
+[ From "Homosexuality" (cp 17) ]
+
+     from 2 to 4 on Kinsey's scale.  Some bisexuals apparently live a
+     typical heterosexual life with their mates and children, yet enjoy
+     homosexual sex on the side in such places as "tearooms" (public
+     restrooms).

So that's what a T-room is?? And here I was imagining a bunch of
people setting around a English style tea shop, drinking tea, and
hitting on each other with significant glances.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:05:03 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>I guess if I lived in a nicer world (ie *everybody* was bi :) ) my visible
>hots would be in accordance with my internal 50-50ish state, but until that
>happens I'll be a lot more reticent about hurling myself to the floor and
>rolling around clutching my gonads when I see an attractive woman.

That is a great relief to me, oh Kay sweet deflowerer of innocents (or
is that devourer? >{8-) ), as (assuming of course you consider me to be
attractive - fish fish) I think I would be somewhat disturbed to be
greeted in such a fashion and my reaction would probably be to either
dial 999 for an ambulance or to run swiftly in the opposite direction in
terror of the vicious thug(s) who must surely be responsible for having
wounded you so sorely in the goolies. 

<love and hugs>

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Soc.bi elections- Nominations opening
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:20:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010049.16mdty
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3

Well we did not really have an election, more like a bunch of
unofficial nominations for various positions.  Therefore I think that
we should open up official nominations.

I hereby nominate;
Peg as Net Goddess of Flirtation.
Elf as Minister of Perversion.
Sara as Keeper of the BZZZT.

Any other suggestions?

By the way Elf, I throughly enjoyed you story about the Thundercats.  I
will never think of Cheetara in quite the same way ever again. :-)




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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:46:58 GMT

In article <31257@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:

>Flirtatiously nibbling the *big toes* of the entire newsgroup...

EEEK!! That tickles!

>Dave.

	-Nora (who is not ticklish except when being flirted with, but
then finds it too much fun to resist...)




-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re:  Ann Landers
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:20:42 GMT

In article <01010066.0vf54w@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
>
>My reaction to the idea of someone having an abortion because a
>test showed that the child would be gay is the this is a person who
>should not (in my own opinion) be having children in the first place.  

i agree, but asking (or expecting!) 'phobes not to procreate
seems a bit unrealistic, doesn't it?  which is especially ugly
when you think of it, since homophobia is learned, usually at
home.  
sigh

peg
From: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Looking for fun sex games to play.
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:59:30 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Trinity College, Dublin.

In <1992Apr13.223047.3953@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>I'm noticing a certain reticence about this topic (i.e.
>particular sexual habits between two men).  I do believe I'm
>seeing, could it be, shyness???

I do believe you are, could it be, generalising ;-)

There are *tons* of reasons why somebody might not followup a posting.
Here are some of the reasons why I may not post a followup to a
particular article.

	o There are some aspects of myself which I do not wish to
	  discuss on the net, so I don't usually post on such topics.
	  (Sometimes I might email instead if I don't mind discussing
	  them in private.)
	o Sometimes the topic doesn't interest me enough to post.
	o Sometimes I am too busy.
	o Sometimes I'm just not in the mood.
	o Sometimes I don't have enough knowlege or experience of the
	  topic being discussed and so have nothing to say.
	o Sometimes I might have _something_ to say but don't bother,
	  thinking that somebody else will be able to give a more
	  complete response.
	o Sometimes somebody else has already posted a response and I
	  don't feel I have much to add.
	o Sometimes a posting looks like it might be forged or from
	  somebody who left their terminal unattended.
	o Sometimes, a person posts something which I want to respond to
	  but their posting also contained a few careless phrases which
	  deserve to be flamed and I decide to reply by email rather
	  than flame on the net.

The above are just the reasons I could think of off the top of my head.

>--
> Patricia "Ellen" Clary              |       "Too bad ignorance
> pclary@polyslo.csc.CalPoly.EDU      |         isn't painful."
> pclary@nike.CalPoly.EDU             |                       (Unattributed)

<>Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
<>--- Will Rogers

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                            ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.      \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539  FAX: +353-1-772204  email: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie  \/
From: kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ok....North East Get Together!
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:07:01 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY


  In article <3143@cs.rit.edu> kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
  
      Date:    June 1 - June 3  1992
  
And in this article Kevin D Colagio makes a correction:

The date is:   MAY 1 - 3   

Not June 1 - 3....I'm sorry....

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=               aka                 =  for something  - All others pay cash.   -
-         KDC5072@cs.rit.edu        -   to put here.  -      -Vladimir Taltos  =
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.174216.9178@turing.ac.uk> hopkins@uk.ac.turing writes:

>In high school, when some kid really wanted to insult me, he'd call me a faggot, 
>just because it was the worst insult he could think of. But I was *never* accused
>of being bisexual.

That's a fascinating point.  I haven't thought of that particular angle.

>I wonder if that was because nobody knew what it meant, or
>that there wasn't a nasty enough sounding word for it,

I'd go with the first one.  A large proportion of heterosexuals I have
known -- especially the homophobes -- have not made a significant
distinction between being bisexual and being homosexual.  Case in
point: one of the charming numbers on alt.flame recently claimed,
"There is no such thing as a bisexual. If a man fucks another man,
he's a fag."  (These are words from the horse's mouth, I suppose.)
Being bisexual _makes_ you a faggot, in their eyes.  To a certain
extent, I identify as a faggot for that reason.

Elisa sides with your second suggestion, and I think there's some
truth to it: "bisexual" is too clinical a word.  Now that I'm in the
hallowed halls of collegedom, I do hear bis occasionally referred to
derisively as "switch-hitters," etc.

>or it was verging on a 
>complement, or what. 

That's a nice thought!  There are even some monosexuals who consider
bisexuality to be a "better" sort of sexual orientation -- the
equal-opportunity sexuality, or something like that.  I imagine that
being considered bisexual would be a compliment to those people.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Women are BLG, too! (was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:35:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr12.195632.24722@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
+In article <1992Apr12.175124.14167@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
+>In article <31593@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
+>>
+>>'cause men don't get abused. And if they dd,o the abused becomes homosexual
+>>too, since the the perpatrator is a male.
+>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^ 
+>isn't there supposed to be a smiley here?  (please say yes...)

+
+True, but if John was speaking sarcastically from a Middle American
+viewpoint (as I think he was) these acts are indeed identified with
+homosexuality rather than pedophilia.  As long as there is a negative
+view towards homosexual activities, man-boy pedophilia (which is very
+often equated with a homosexual orientation) will go underreported.

Speaking of 'outing', who was. I lost no sleep when I read in the
newspaper several years ago about a 'homosexual porno movie' ring which
was busted near the Camp Pendlton Marine base, staring 'a few good men'.
Having had a number of sexual encounters with some of 'the few, the proud,
the marines' most of which took place under some form of coersion if not
out right violence, the news came as blind justice. There was a posting
about the military and it's attitude towards homosexual behavior, well, I
would like them(the military) to come to the realization that there
are a number of individuals who assault youngsters such as I was a
million years ago. I sometimes hoped that they got their reward in
Vietnam. Pretty brutal but I have no feeling of sympathy for them.

This has nothing to do with the military and it's medeval views
about normal human beings who happen to have relationships with
same-sex partners as normal adult relationship. This is about
coercive, male dominance, sex as a symbol of that dominance.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: ok....North East Get Together!
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:09:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

OK, I have elected me to organize this get together.  Now I need to know who is
coming and what people want to do.  Information follows (dates, times, etc...)

Date:    June 1 - June 3  1992
Time:    When you get here.
Place:   RIT campus.  My room (e-mail will be sent to those who respond).

If you can/want to give someone a ride, let me know or post a follow-up.  

I reccomend you bring some $$$ as I am a student and usually broke.  We can order
pizza and other goodies, go out to eat, or eat at the local dining hall (the
food isn't THAT bad.).  

   If you want to bring things like fondue supplies, toys, etc... feel free to 
do so.  

   There is a pool and "health club" (Student Life Center) on campus that 
costs $3.00 per day.  They have sauna's (seperate male/female) a weight room, 
raquetball courts, running track, etc. 

    Anyone showing up on Thursday night will be taken (but not treated) to a 
night at a local club (neo-industrial music...OK for dancing).

   Let me know...and this is open for those outside the North East U.S.A. 
also, but it may be a trip for you.  

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-  Kevin Colagio...student at large -  I am looking   - In Gods we trust,      =
=               aka                 =  for something  - All others pay cash.   -
-         KDC5072@cs.rit.edu        -   to put here.  -      -Vladimir Taltos  =
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From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: good places to not fit in
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:26:35 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

hopkins@coulin.turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins) writes:

>Oh yeah, I like looking at *anything* yellow, especially in black leather. 
>(My friend has this soft long haired golden yellow cat that I just adore, 
>but cats sure hate wearing collars, so I'll have to settle for humans...) 

Well, my cat is tortoiseshell so there's plenty of yellow in there ...
my hair's just yer common or garden brown I'm afraid, no brown hair
hunts going on out there?  >{8-(

>Well if you're into that,  I haven't had a hair cut in 8 years, so maybe
>you should fly out to Glasgow and we can not fit into the scene
>together! c(-;

>double latte's in the world? (Tell him the computer hippy who left for
>Glasgow hasn't had a decent cup of coffee since the last one he made
>for me.)

** Eight years??!! ** ** Computer hippy? **  *I* sure as hell don't need
to fly to get to Glasgow, I can get there in under an hour on the train
(on one of BR's good days with the wind behind it ...)  I'll see you
there tomorrow!  Or alternatively, you come over to Edinburgh and I'll
make you a nice cuppa coffee, I just recently got a new filter maker
and the delicatessen up the road does some nice blends ...

Sara

PS  That's a very interesting surname you have there, Don, could we by
any chance be related?  >{8-)
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:45:18 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr16.012212.1866@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>Sexy Omaha and I have have been having long chats, planning the menu and
>talking about cheap places to buy scarlet and black satin sheets, beautiful
>DeWolf and Graham have been discussing reiforcing the joints so we can hang the
>sling safely (some of us are on the hefty side you know...).

I should point out that I can no means be described as sexy; though I do
match the description of being on the hefty side.  Must be some other
Graham, unfortunately.

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: NELGBSA Conference -- What I did. (LONG)
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:54:28 GMT

In article <92091.180806SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>[Apparently, Dr. John Money at
>Johns Hopkins has just published a book on Gay & Lesbian parenting, which
>studies these issues.])

title?  date it was published?  etc, etc... i would be very interested 
in purchasing/borrowing this book, and i doubt i'm alone...

>We thought about how to
>write posters to minimize the chance of having them ripped down, and
>how to make them provocative with unusual program names or sample
>questions ("Have you always wanted to know what gay people did in bed?")

i like this one, i do...  ;)  ;)  

>(At one point during lunch, some of us
>in the back part of the room staged an impromptu sex simulation.  *blush*)

don't just blush adorably!!!  *details*!, *details*!
;)

>After lunch, I attended two workshops:  Creating a Positive Bi Identity
>(with Robyn Ochs) and Women's SM Safety: Are the Handcuffs too Tight?
>(with Deb S. from Female Trouble in Philadelphia)

i will restrain myself.... (pun intended!)  ;)  ;) 

>Loraine Hutchins, co-editor of "Bi Any Other Name", spoke wearing a
>strap-on dildo and with her breasts exposed.  Her talk was inspirational
>to bisexuals, tracing the development of the bisexual movement over the
>last 15 years.

i'll bet!!!  inspirational is *one* word for it!  hey, heath, when
she spoke for us this past winter she brought *no* such neat toys/
fashoin accessories, and kept all her clothes on!  i feel... i don't
know, shall we say, shotchanged?  

>Saturday night I joined several of our fellow net.bis as well as some
>other cool people for a safer sex party.  I won't go into tremendous
>detail in the interest of confidentiality.  I will mention, however, that
>I had the fun of having sex with a woman wearing a strap-on dildo for the
>first time.  (Times like this make me feel so inexperienced...all the
>more reason for practice, practice, and more practice!  ;-)

sounds like fun!  should we start talk about having a bi-con?  ;)
i bring this up with *no* ulterior motives, of course <grin>.  

>The final workshop I went to was a dialogue between lesbians and bisexual
>women.  I learned a great deal about the feelings of many lesbians, and
>I think it was an excellent experience.  The most important thing I got
>out of it was, "Always remember that things which are perfectly obvious
>to you may be utterly obscure to someone else, and vice versa.  This
>doesn't make them or you stupid."  (I spent a lot of time trying to
>understand how being around men saps female energy.  I think I almost get
>it now...)

i just get *real* sad that this one is still so necessary...

thanks for the terrific report, sonja!  

peg
From: hopkins@coulin.turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:42:16 GMT
Reply-To: hopkins@uk.ac.turing
Organization: The Turing Institute, Glasgow, Scotland.

In high school, when some kid really wanted to insult me, he'd call me a faggot, 
just because it was the worst insult he could think of. But I was *never* accused
of being bisexual. I wonder if that was because nobody knew what it meant, or
that there wasn't a nasty enough sounding word for it, or it was verging on a 
complement, or what. 

	-Don
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:   Outing at the Oscars? (Was: Why are you all so nice?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:47:23 GMT
Reply-To: rhialto@cs.kun.nl
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

In article <1992Apr9.102150.22537@thelema.uucp> STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
|In article <rhialto.0024@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert) writes:
|>The fundamental problem is the contradiction between everyone's privacy,
|>and the fact that it is a Good Thing if the whole world knows that the
|>"default" orientation isn't really the only thing there is.

|What's the problem?  I'm out.  This is MY choice, and I've made it,
|and I am quite happy about it.  I don't need to out others.
[lots of other sensible things removed]

Ok, the right of privacy has always won over all other arguments I've seen.
But when I hear about specific persons who are homophobic in public, and
turn out to be queer themselves, I do tend to get very tempted to give
privacy a little less regard. Not that this ever led to any specific
actions on my part, so far. But this is mostly what I had in mind when I
wrote this.

|>Given this, choices need to be made. Which is more important? It's a
|>choice. A very difficult one, since I always have valued privacy, but I
|>have become to value visibility more and more. I wouldn't have a simple
|>answer, and I also wouldn't expect one to exist.
|
|For me, there is a simple answer.  I will be private about the things
|I choose to keep as secrets.  I will be as honest, as open, as
|assumption-breaking as I can be about others.	And I will respect the
|right of others to likewise make their decisions as they see fit -- if
|I knew Jody Foster personally, I might tell her how glad, how free, I
|am to not have that secret to keep.

This is of course a very valuable view, and I agree with it. But, as I
said, sometimes I feel different.

|STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rushm@coch11.alleg.edu (Matthew Rush)
Subject: Re: Bi="fad"? and out on campus.
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.172945.900@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>  
max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman: liberal hippie subversive  
dude.) writes:
> 	How have the rest of you handled being out on campus?


I'm not completely out to the entire campus (there's still a lot of  
hostility here), but I am fairly visible as a member of Gay rights groups.   
I guess some people, those I haven't told, would just assume that I wasn't  
straight, but my girlfriend usually throughs them off (she's a rather  
strong female =)  )   I'm probably one of the most "out" people on campus,  
which is saying a lot.

matthew in meadville