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From: csanoy@bcars689.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cynthia Sanoy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Smoking Airlines (was Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?)
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:24:40 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada


I realize that this topic has probably been discussed here a zillion times, but
here goes again:

Does anyone have a list of airlines that provide entirely smoke-free International
flights?

I know that Air Canada is smokeless on North American flights, but I'm not sure
about international flights. 
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From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream / nonsmoking question
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:55:34 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Christopher Davis (ckd@eff.org) wrote:
: I *believe* the current law is 6 hours scheduled, but there aren't that
: many flights in the lower 48 over that limit, and I always fly long
: segments on NW anyway :)

Are there any direct flights in the continental US that take over 6 hours?
Does a route like ORD-HNL (Chicago-Honolulu) count?  or DFW-HNL?

--Ken
From: ramanath+@pitt.edu (Jayaram Ramanathan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Continental's survival
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:09:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I'm planning to book an international flight by Continental, during March
of this year.  I'm interested in finding out if they will be in existence
till then.  I know they have filed for bankruptcy, and also that they may
be bought over by some other airline (Air Canada?).

E-mail would be fine.  Thanks.

-jay

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From: ava@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu (Ashik)
Subject: Travel from Philadelphia to Boston
Summary: Travel from Phila to Boston
Keywords: Phila to Boston
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:54:43 GMT

I would appreciate any information anyone would have on finding  
inexpensive transportation from Philadelphia to Boston on the
last weekend of January. Does anyone know of special deals by 
the airlines to fly between these cities ?

Thanks Very Much
Ashik - ava@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu
From: aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: cheap SFO-LAX-SFO
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:25:39 GMT
Organization: is useful
Distribution: usa
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I have this Delta round trip ticket:

	from  to    flight#   date     time

	SFO   LAX     196     Jan 31   4:00 pm
	LAX   SFO    1058     Jan 31   9:55 pm


I ask $51 for this $128 gem, sigh!

Reply to me directly, thanks,

Aldo Castillo
aldo@netcom.com
(415) 336-6676	days

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From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: CPH-ORD  Copenhagen - Chicago fare...
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:07:36 GMT

Could someone with air fare access please quote me the cheapest
round-trip ticket from Copenhagen (Denmark) to Chicago?  Note that I'm
originating in Denmark.  Also, what would the cheapest rt fare be if I
originated in Chicago?

Thank you very much...
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
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From: jrallen@devildog.att.com (Jon Allen)
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.224326.28845@news.media.mit.edu> geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.201944.20078@oakhill.sps.mot.com> fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:
>>
>>I'll be travelling on a NW 747-200 SFO->BKK and was wondering what the
>>best [non-smoking] seats in the house are? Are the bulkhead ones nice or
>>do they have non-lift-uppable armrests like on some other planes ? I'd
>>like to get as far away from smokers as possible since my wife is 
>>terribly allergic to smoke.
>>
>
>You probably want to sit "up top".  Your mileage may vary; on UA the
>upper deck is all non smoking, I can't testify as to NW.  I don't like

I also suggest the upper deck (I try to get it whenever I travel), but
because of the most important reason for long trips:


	The "People to Bathroom" ratio is much, much, better than down
	below.......



-Jon Allen

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From: web@dirac.rice.edu (K. E. Aiani)
Subject: USAir Coupons ???
Reply-To: web@dirac.rice.edu 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:17:26 GMT

I have a USAir coupon valid for $129 or $189 travel,
depending on the cities involved.  My question is
regarding a discussion I seem to recall reading on
this group some months ago.  I would really like
to use this coupon for travel on Continental
as my spouse has a voucher for Continental and it
would be certainly more convenient to be on the same
plane.  

I recall some people here said these USAir coupons
could be redeemed on other airlines.  Is Continental
one of them?  How do I go about doing this?

Thanks for your help.

KEA
From: eschimme@oak.math.ucla.edu (Ernest Schimmerling)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: American Express / Continental vouchers
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:01:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department


Does anyone out there have experience using someone else's 
American Express / Continental vouchers (the ones that come
with the student deal)?

This would involve a woman using a voucher with a male name
on it.

Thanks.
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From: dgrove@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove)
Subject: Re: American Express / Continental vouchers
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:53:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.000147.305@math.ucla.edu> eschimme@oak.math.ucla.edu (Ernest Schimmerling) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there have experience using someone else's 
>American Express / Continental vouchers (the ones that come
>with the student deal)?
>
>This would involve a woman using a voucher with a male name
>on it.

From my experience, you REALLY don't want to do this. Every time I've
used the vouchers in the past year, they have let me get on the 
outgoing leg without a hitch. On the way back (in Tucson, Seattle, and
Aspen) they have asked for ID. In Tucson, they asked me for ID when 
I checked in and when I went to board the plane! I suspect that you
would be really screwed and have to by an expensive one-way ticket back,
among other things.

The fact that a woman would be travelling with a male name makes it all
the more unlikely that it would work.

-- 
Dan Grove                   |       Rice University
Phone: (713) 524-6571       |       Dept. of Computer Science
Fax: (713) 285-5136         |       Houston, TX  77251-1892
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From: jeanmarc@Ingres.COM (Jean-Marc Fortier)
Subject: Re: Smoking Airlines (was Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?)
Reply-To: jeanmarc@squid.ingres.com (Jean-Marc Fortier)
Organization: Ingres, The ASK Group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:06:44 GMT

	Air Canada has a non smoking policy on ALL its flights,
	North American and International.
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Setting expectations (again)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:57:18 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mcs-next-12.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan12.144738.14891@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Dalcio.Dacol@launchpad.unc.edu (Dalcio Dacol) writes:
> In article <C0qw8J.Muo@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)  
writes:
> 
> >   On our recent trip to Huahine, Bora Bora, and Moorea
> >   ("Tahiti") we had a good time except that the hotels
> >   we stayed in (Sofitels) were truly awful by the standards
> >   of fine international hotels, especially at their prices:
> >   $200 - $300+ a night.    Yet all our guide books raved
> >   about them and in many tour companies' price guides they
> >   were always in the best (and most expensive) categories
> >   in the islands.
> >
> >   My question is:  Could we have gotten our expectations set better?  
> >
> >   What's the right philosophy to have once you're in that
> >   situation?   How do you keep from becoming an Ugly American,
> >   ranting and raving at the hotel management?  How do you
> >   keep from muttering and cursing as you smear DEET (mosquito
> >   repellant) over every inch of your body and trying to sleep
> >   on top of sweat-soaked, sandy, same-sheets-as-yesterday 
> >   and thinking "I'm paying $250 a night for this?!"
> >
> >   Some guests, especially the Europeans, who were just as 
> >   scratching and bitten-up and bleary-eyed the next morning 
> >   as we were, nonetheless seemed to have a better attitude.  
> >   How do they do this?  
> >
> 	Maybe they weren't paying $250 a night ...
> 

Actually there is more truth to this last statement than it could appear at  
first glance. Due to currency exchange rates, $250 a night for Europeans  
translate into amounts, that when compared with prices of hotels in Western  
Europe in local currencies do not seem as much to the Europeans as they seem to  
Americans.

I am European myself and, as it could be expected, know quite a few of them and  
they will protest just as vociferously as anybody else. I think that the Tahiti  
situation was a singular one.

Other things to consider: Sofitels throughout French Polynesia are awful period  
but they are still better than other dumps. Thus, they are rated accordingly by  
guide books. 

Second $200-300 per night in Bora Bora is not even on the high end. The best  
hotels there: Moana Beach and Bora Bora charge in excess of $525 per night.  
They are clean but the service is very poor by Western standards.

Hotels in general in French Polynesia suffer by the fact that culturally, the  
Tahitian people do not regard service in the same way as Westeners. Thus, what  
looks sloppy for you may look great for them. No criticism here, just a  
cultural difference that should be taken into account when judging the place.


--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
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From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)
Subject: Re: Travel Bargins... Whats the deal???
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:52:39 CST

In article <1993Jan11.105420.1@fnalni.fnal.gov> baert@fnalni.fnal.gov writes:
>On cable TV's Travel Channel, they run this show called "Travel Bargins",
>Which offers Airline tickets with what seem to be rather low fairs. 
>
>My question: Anybody have any expierience with them? What's the deal?
>	     What are the restrictions? We all know there's no such
>	     this as something for nothing......
>
>
>					Mark Baert
>					baert@fnal.fnal.gov

I heard about this from a friend. 
They offered ORD-CAI for $499 only on TWA!!
Any idea how this works ? 

Nabil

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From: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Arthur G. Yaffe)
Subject: Re: Traveling to Japan
Reply-To: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: . . . Next week, we've got to get organized.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:14:09 GMT

In article 159@cup.hp.com, staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:
>Remember that Narita has a departure tax/fee before you can leave Narita.
>It was about 2000 yen if I remember correctly.
>
>--Ken

Right, you are.  Yen1000 for children.  Narita is now called 
the New Tokyo International Airport.  I has changed names several times
since it opened.


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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream / nonsmoking question
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:39:33
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: eli@cisco.com's message of 11 Jan 93 10:53:36

On 11 Jan 93 10:53:36, eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias) said:

> "no smoking on domestic flights under 6 hours".  i asked
> the flight attendants about this 6 hour restriction and if it
> was real.  they replied that there is no 6 hour cutoff, that
> all domestic flights must be nonsmoking, regardless of duration.
> can anyone confirm this?  this was on Northwest and since they
> were nosmoking before the law, i wonder if maybe i got wrong info
> from them.

As I recall, the law states that all domestic flights WITH A SCHEDULED
FLYING TIME of less than 6 hours must be entirely nonsmoking.  The
six hour exemption was put in as a last minute amendment to the law
for flights to Alaska and Hawaii.

I don't believe there are any flights longer than 6 hours in the lower
48; the two longest flights I know of (Boston-Los Angeles and
Miami-Seattle) are both under 6 hours scheduled flying time.

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Subject: Wanted: Cheap ticket Israel - NY March April . (Courier?)
From: OWEN@vms.bgu.ac.il (David Owen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:44:05 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva Israel, BGU
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13

Shalom,

I will travel around March April to NY from Israel and I'm looking
for a cheap ticket. Is it a good idea to fly to Europe (london?)
and then to NY?
Any way, a courier service or anything else is welcome.
Thanks,

Shlomo Zelkine,         E-mail:
3 Eilat St.
Afridar,                owen@bguvms.bgu.ac.il
Ashkelon,
Israel 78443            Shlomo.Zelkine@f4.n401.z2.fidonet.org

07-710286               zelkine@ilnet.net
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: KLM and Northwest "merger"
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:40:52
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org


KNX Radio in Los Angeles reported this morning that the US Government has
given KLM and Northwest the go-ahead to combine operations and effectively
operate as a single airline.  The combined airline will also be exempt from
some federal antitrust laws (didn't understand this part of the report).

Good news for people like me, who have lots of frequent flyer miles
saved up on Northwest...

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From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:24:27 GMT

I've ridden upper deck on NorthWorst 747-200, it was non-smoking executive
class.  Dedicated flight attendant, no noise or sight of the mobs beneath.
Four seats wide, two each side with one aisle.  Four rows makes 16 pax.
Also a dedicated lavatory, so no need to go downstairs till arrival.

Note that each airline configures seats differently, some put tourist up
top.  It also matters whether it is a short upper deck (-100 and -200 and SP)
versus a partly stretched upper deck (-300) versus fully stretched upper
deck (-400).  It's even possible for a given airline to differently
configure planes of the same submodel, based on which planes fly which
routes.  NW, for instance, configures the multi-lingual instruction placards
in the lavatories for Atlantic versus Pacific, ie, Oriental versus European
languages.

I've also ridden on NW's second executive section on the main floor.  These
are eight seats wide, four in center and two on each side, two aisle.  This
section tends to suffer smoke incursion as the last row or two of this
section is a cancer ward.

And I've ridden NW's main cabin, which is ten seats wide (four in center and
three on each side).  If you are near a lavatory or kitchen, you will have
more foot traffic when trying to sleep.  Smoke incursions occur at weird
intervals, I assume they occasionally adjust the ventilators and smoke from
the main-floor exec section can work its way back.

I've never ridden any 747 as first class in the nose, but have read in
a book about Boeing history that seat 3A is the quietest on the plane.

Last time I took a NW 747 was a few years ago.  At that time, they would
accept telephone calls to reserve seats as of 60 days before takeoff.  On
Hawaiian flights, this gives a chance to reserve a main-floor executive
seat at tourist prices as they do not sell those seats at executive rates
for the vacation market.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email: gordon.chace@cdc.com or gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: UA Round the World Dropped
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:01:11 GMT

Given yesterday's announcement that United is cutting 2,800 jobs and
stopping all hiring for 1993 as well as cutting service in a number of
areas, I suspect that this may be history.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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From: djablon@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J. Jablonski)
Subject: Re: Upgrades
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:31:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.003844.19182@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>TWA has a very nice upgrade policy -- most of the time you can get
>an upgrade to either First or Ambassador Class if you have a gold card,
>and occassionally even if you have a silver card.  You can even get them
>on international flights with a gold card.  Plus, you don't need to
>"cash in" miles to get the upgrade.  My question is: do any other US
>airlines have similar upgrade policies for frequent fliers?

I'm a Delta Frequent Flyer member (not medallion).  They offer paid upgrades 
off of unrestricted (B06) fares.  These upgrades can be confirmed at any 
time prior to departure.  The cost is based on nonstop mileage from
origin to destination (connection doesn't matter).  I upgraded Houston-Boston
(1597 miles) for $60, and they didn't make me pay either the increase in B-fare
since I had bought the original ticket (about $100) or the $25 reticketing fee.
I flew IAH-ATL-BOS first class for $335, and I got the first class 100%
mileage bonus.  If you have to fly unrestricted anyway, it's a pretty good
deal since they also give you double miles.

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From: haggar@crchh432.BNR.CA 
Subject: Re: Travel Bargins... Whats the deal???
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:21:35 GMT
Reply-To: haggar@crchh432.BNR.CA 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1isgrqINNbpm@lynx.unm.edu>, khan@us17501.mdc.com (Naseer
Khan) writes:
|>baert@fnalni.fnal.gov wrote:
|>:"On cable TV's Travel Channel, they run this show called "Travel Bargins",
|>:"Which offers Airline tickets with what seem to be rather low fairs. 
|>
|>:"My question: Anybody have any expierience with them? What's the deal?
|>:"	     What are the restrictions? We all know there's no such
|>:"	     this as something for nothing......
|>
|>I don't know what the deal is, but I just recently used them for round
|>trip travel to Midway (Chicago) from Orange County (So Cal).  Information

                           



Could someone list "Travel Bargins" phone number, for the benefit of 	
everyone else.


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From: ah505@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Quinby)
Subject: RE: Consolidators
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:35:20 GMT


I sue Mena Tours in Chicago for International travel espically to
Latin America. Usually the ammount of money I pay them is about
40% of the price printed on the ticket. I have never had a
problem with them. They do have an 800 number but I can't, off
hand, remember it.

		Brian

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From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:55:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.214238.23500@tera.com> erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg) writes:
>In article <50994@shamash.cdc.com> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:
>[snip]
>>I've never ridden any 747 as first class in the nose, but have read in
>>a book about Boeing history that seat 3A is the quietest on the plane.
>
>Seats 1AB are pretty quiet too.  If you look sideways through the
>window, you can see almost straight ahead.
>
>Erik






OK, OK, OK you've forced me to post :-/ errrr I don't know how to 
say this but I am a worthless, hegemonist, dog-offal, running-dog
capitalist roader who can only afford economy so all those 
suggestions about sitting in C or F just make me sweat with envy.
Please, just seat assigments in Y for me, sigh.


;-)

fmb
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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: UA Round the World Dropped
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:56:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.122541.11312@ohare.Chicago.COM> kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:
[ .... much good stuff ommitted for brevity ... ]
>BTW, United says Delhi, the LA Times says New Delhi.  Which one would
>be preferred when referring to the airport or air travel in general?
>(Yes, I know they are different cities, at least according to my map.)

The airport is actually located in Palam, a suburb of New Delhi and
Delhi, and serves both Delhi and New Delhi. The code for the airport
is DEL, and the official name is Indira Gandhi International Airport
(as I recall, I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong). In
popular usage both Delhi Airport and New Delhi Airport are OK but the
former seems to be used more often than the latter. 

In fact ages back when I used to live in that area we used to refer to
it as Palam Airport to distinguish it from Safdarjung Airport which
then was served by a few domestic flights. Since then New Delhi has
grown to swallow the Safdarjung area completely thus converting that
airport into a general aviation only airport.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
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