HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:38:56 CDT
From:         Alexandra Mason <AMASON@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: census database
              13 Oct 1992 09:33:39 PDT from <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US>

If the surviving records have been microfilmed with bad contrast and the
other problems described,surely producing them in manipulable (is that
a word?) electronic form would be very useful indeed.  It would be a
fearful amount of work and require very close proof-reading but the
result would surely be worth it.

Alexandra Mason, Spencer Research Library, U of KS <AMASON@UKANVM>
X-Envelope-to: HISTORY@DGOGWDG1.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"HISTORY@DGOGWDG1"
Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:56:11 MEZ
Reply-To:     gomide@BRFAPQ
Comments:     @FAPQ.FAPESP.BR - @FAPQ%FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPQ.BITNET - .BR
              gateway
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was GOMIDE@BRFAPQ
From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history


PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
--
Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357
Software Supervisor     | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo
<gomide@fapq.fapesp.br> | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil
(ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. |
--
From: med@LINGUA.CLTR.UQ.OZ.AU ((Marion Diamond))
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: Constellations
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:51:33 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: HISTORY%RUTVM1.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU

I don't understand why the folklore of constellations should be a
particularly monkish concern.  Surely a knowledge of the stars is
of greater importance to sailors and perhaps other travellers -
who are much less likely to be literate, and for whom the various
memnonics (sp?) attached to each constellation through legends were
important in memorising a star map.  Perhaps they were likely to
bring back stories because they were the travellers.

Marion Diamond
med@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au
From: frankt@cwi.nl (Frank Teusink)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: 500 Anniversary of the Admiral's Voyage
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:13:29 GMT

JCFITZHARRIS@STTHOMAS.EDU writes:

>On Weds 14 Oct,  "(Frank Teusink)" <frankt@CWI.NL>
>said:
>>is the ...to Amerika.
                    ^
Sorry, foutje.  (Yes, that's Dutch)

>Is Frank German or is Frank making the SDS puerile ploy of imaging
>America (proper spelling) as protofascist?

Certainly not German, and I think not the second, although I haven't
the faintest clue what you're talking about. I'm Dutch, a citizen of
The Netherlands (or Holland, for those of you who insist on using
the wrong name (-: )

>Joe Fitzharris
>JCFitzharris@Stthomas.edu

Frank Teusink
frankt@cwi.nl

P.S. I just realised that you could have guessed my nationality from
     my e-mail address.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: HISTORY@PSUVM.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"HISTORY@PSUVM.BITNET"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:15:13 -0400
From:         Barney Google With The Goo Goo Googily Eyes <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System

                       SO?


              john stith
From: welling@LET.RUG.NL (George Welling)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: genocide
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:06:16 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
              at

>
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:27:08 MET George Welling <welling@LET.RUG.NL>
> said:
>
> > How about Cambodia, Uganda, Biafra, just to mention a few cases of
> > genocide that I can remember in recent times ?
>
> As horrible as were Uganda and Biafra (which I remember well -- I knew
> Ugandans both at Michigan and London), I don't really think that
> "genocide" is the appropriate label. Idi Amin Dada certainly was
> an extraordinarily brutal man, who ruled his land with a level of
> terror that reached unusual heights. The Biafran war was very brutal.
> BUT, I do not think that the Nigerian authorities or Idi Amin
> intended to eliminate entire populations, as the Germans intended
> to eliminate Jews and Gypsies, and to reduce Slavs to a slave
> minority. The case of Cambodia differs, I think, from both the
> Nazi Germans on the one hand and the Uganda-Biafra example on the
> other. With Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge did not intend to exterminate
> the Khmer. They wanted to exterminate urban culture, middle-class
> culture, traditional culture, Western culture (at least as best as
> I can figure out, as a reasonably well-read person).
> Denis Paz
> dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
>
It is a macabre point of discussion, but the war in Nigeri (Biafra) was aimed
at one tribe/people (If I remember correctly, the Ibo's). Idi Amin's reign of
terror was especially aimed at other tribes/peoples than his own. I would
think that this would be enough to qualify as genocide.

     George M. Welling - dep.Alfa-Informatica HCI - University of Groningen
     phone : +31 50 63 54 74  | fax : +31 50 63 49 00  | welling@let.rug.nl
From: iikfe01@MAILSERV.ZDV.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE (Walter Felscher)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: 500 Anniversary of the Admiral's Voyage
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:27:11 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: HISTORY@ibm.gwdg.de

As Frank Teusink's adress "frankt@cwi.nl" shows, he is
writing from the Netherlands.

His contribution gives occasion to mention a possibly useful
distinction.

I quite agree with the statement that the Indians were
treated as (are treated) rightless animals.  And, on a first
reading, I was also tempted to agree with the further
statement

   I think the Spanish behaved like animals.  But that kind
   of thing wasn't something new then, and it isn't
   something of the past now.

On a second thought, however, it seems to be more realistic
to say that the Spaniards behaved like humans.

No, they certainly did not behave "humane".  But it seems to
be erroneous to take the properties, collected in the
adjective "humane", as the defining properties of man.

Man is very much able to act in ways deviating radically
from what we, and our Western culture, consider "humane".
And it seems to be dangerously erroneous to believe that
humans are by definition humane. It is a very naive form of
enlightenment to reason that, what we wish there were not,
actually is not.

Of course, it was the reverse error that was cultivated by
Nazism and Fascism which argued that, since man can act
barbaric, humaneness is folly.

But unfortunately, the ground for the one of these errors
may be prepared by bringing up people in the other, and
then, at some later point, have their convictions shaken
when they discover the other possibilities of man.

Walter Felscher, Tuebingen
From: MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: Medieval-bashing (Was: Columbus)
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:50:31 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:23:09 EDT Lenny said:
>Come on!  I'm middle aged myself!
>
Then you should be *especially* interested in =The Waning of the Middle Ages=
From: welling@LET.RUG.NL (George Welling)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: biafra/nigeria/amin
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:16:26 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
              Oc

Thank you very much for this additional information.
--
             =                         =                           =
          ___|_____                 ___|_____                   ___|_____
         /         __|____         /         __|____           /        __|____
      _|__        /      /     _|__         /      /      _|__         /      /
    /    /_______/______/     /    /_______/______/      /    /_______/______/
   /____/    | ______|__     /____/    | ______|__      /____/    | ______|__
______|______|_\  o o o | ______|______|_\  o o o |  ______|______|_\  o o o |
    \  o o o o o o o o  |     \  o o o o o o o o  |      \  o o o o o o o o  |
     \                 /       \                 /        \                 /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     George M. Welling - dep.Alfa-Informatica HCI - University of Groningen
     phone : +31 50 63 54 74  | fax : +31 50 63 49 00  | welling@let.rug.nl
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Medieval-bashing (Was: Columbus)
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:30:00 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:23:48 EDT Lenny Abbey <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said

> we had turned a corner and
> shaken off the 800 year langour of the Middle Ages.

I think that Lenny is being unfair to the Middle Ages.
"Langour" does not lead to Gothic architecture,
vernacular literature, the Crusades (to the Baltic as
well as to the Levant), and to the voyages of exploration
and discovery.

Denis Paz
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:56:54 -0700
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was
              ferrill@CAESAR.HISTORY.WASHINGTON.EDU
From:         Arther Ferrill <ferrill@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      re: Minoan Thalassocracies?
Comments: To: History <HISTORY%PSUVM.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu>

On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:37:04 EDT, CMH114@PSUVM.PSU.EDU wrote:
>    All this is thoroughly out of date. I was wondering if anyone has re-
> addressed this question of Thalassocracy since then, on more complete
physical
> or written evidence (ie, Linear B).
>  Any comments? Has there been any great debate in the 35 years since, that
may
> have settled the matter thoroughly?
>
You should now consult a publication entitled The Minoan Thalassocracy: Myth
and Reality, edited by Robin Hagg and Nanno Marinatos, published as the
Proceedings of the Third International Symposium at the Swedish Institute in
Athens, 31 May-5 June, 1982 (Stockholm, 1984)--Acta Instituti Atheniensis
Regni Sueciae, Series in 4, XXXII.

Professor Starr himself has an article in it, "Monoan Flower Lovers," in which
he emphasizes the warlike nature of the Minoans.

Art ferrill
From: FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Novels & History
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:23:00 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: history@ubvm.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"history@ubvm.bitnet"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

What's your favorite historical novel or novel that tells history?

The current issue of _American Heritage_ (Spec. Ed. Oct. 1992) has
a marvelous section in which writers and historians and others
mention their favorites and explain why.

I'd like to hear more about this, if for no other reason to build
my summer reading list (although the AH list will keep me busy
for a few summers already!).

What's yours?

The AH piece is oddly silent about WW II, with a mention only of
_The Naked and the Dead_ and _The Tin Drum_.  Some of my favorites
from the war are:

_The Painted Bird_
_The Wall_
_The Cruel Sea_
_Das Boot_
_The Caine Mutiny_

-Steve Fox-
History Department
Humboldt State University
Arcata, CA  95521
(707) 826-4788
Internet:  foxs@axe.humboldt.edu
From: 113355@DOLUNI1.BITNET (Thomas Zielke)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: New server available
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:25:00 GMT
Organization: UNI-OLDENBURG
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

Dear friends,

I have the great pleasure to inform you that I have opened a new HISTORY
site at PSUVM (Pennsylvania State University), which is available from
today. PSUVM will be connected to the other HISTORY lists via RUTVM1 and
will not keep any logfiles - if you want to retrieve copies of older mail,
please direct your orders to RUTVM1, UMRVMB or IRLEARN.

A larger number of subscribers will be moved to the new server in the next
days, so please make sure that when you receive a message from LISTSERV
that you will now be served by another server your mail systems are set
to send mail to HISTORY to your new server.

I apologize for any in conveniences this may cause, but I do hope that
the new HISTORY site will help to increase speed and efficiency of
mail re-distribution for our list.

Last but not least I have to thank Mr William H Verity (WHV@PSUVM), who
is the Postmaster at PSUVM, for his kind and generous help in setting
up the new HISTORY peer.

With best regards,

Thomas Zielke

Historisches Seminar
Universit{t Oldenburg

Postfach 2503
D-W-2900 Oldenburg
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"HISTORY%RUTVM1.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:15:44 -0400
From:         BROWNH@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      Constellations
Comments: To: HISTORY%RUTVM1.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

Steve brings up some good points. Undoubtedly the Carolingian vision
of the stars was not informed by oral tradition, but by the bookish
and classical culture of the monasteries.  Traditionally, we thought
of the Carolingians as synthesizing roman and germanic traditions, but
today we may be less inflined to hypostatize either ideal type. But the
fact of the matter is, as I suppose all would agree, that the Carolin-
gians found themselves heirs of a number of cultural traditions, and so
could feely choose among them the elements that seemed best to suit
their purposes.

Not in many aspects of life I feel I understand why the Carolingians did
as they did. However, when it comes to constellations, I'm baffled. The
Carolingians, particularly Charlemagne, may have had ideological reasons
to look back to the Roman past, but why in astronomy? In the carolingian
era, classic texts were copied, and my sense is there was a certain in-
trest in ancient science, but constellations seems something else, for
constellations are neither scientific nor christian. Anyone have any idea
of why the Carolingians found it worth their effort to copy ancient works
on astronomy?  I've never understood this, but I'm sure some medievalists
on the list might enlighten me.  We tend to assume that a sense of alien-
ation from the past came onlyh with the Renaissance (Petrarch, say), and
that people in the carolingian era felt themselelves to be still part of
the classic tradition. Ok, but then the classic tradition would not be
of any ideological significance, for it was nothing more than what once
existed.  I can see Carolingian classicism, which is undeniable, as part
of the necessary political ideology of the time, but that should not ex-
tend to monastic copying of classic scientific or astronomical works.  I
can see where monasteries might make manuscript copying an end in itself,
a "disciplina" of the body as part of the struggle for salvation, but that'
does not explain the interest in the constellations.

So I suppose I have a question. Did the Carolingians reject traditions
within their own culture to adopt what must have seemed a foreign and
really peculiar classical tradition? If so, why?
why? It seems to me the whole
issue of constellations is useful because it is so obviously impractical
and non-ideological. That is, we can speak here of cultural influences
without having to take these other considerations into account.
From: HADY@ERS.BITNET (TOM HADY)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: NEW LIST: NNEWS - Network News Newsletter
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:44:04 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
              14 Oct 1992 09:07:42 PDT from <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA. US>

bottom, 14 Oct 1992 09:07:42 PDT bob pasker said:
>i thought this would be useful for members of these lists:
>
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>NNEWS on LISTSERV@NDSUVM1.BITNET
>        or LISTSERV@vm1.NoDak.edu
>
>   Network News is an online newsletter focusing on library and
>   information resources on the Internet.  It updates the information
>   found in A Guide to Internet/Bitnet.
>
>   Send subscription requests/cancellations to either:
>
>         listserv@ndsuvm1.bitnet  (BITNET)
>         or listserv@vm1.nodak.edu   (Internet)
>
>   In the BODY of the message type:
>
>         subscribe nnews firstname lastname      (to subscribe)
>
>         for example: subscribe nnews Melvyl Dewey
>
>      or unsubscribe nnews                       (to cancel subscription)
>
>   Back issues of the newsletter and the latest version of A Guide to
>   Internet/Bitnet are available in the archive.  Send the following
>   command to get a list of what's available:
>
>         index nnews
>
>   Owner:  Dana Noonan <noonan@msus1.msus.edu>
>
>--
>-- bob pasker
>-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
>--
How does this differ from Netmonth from listserv@marist.bitnet?

--TOM HADY, National Economy & History Branch, Economic Research Service
   U. S. Dept. of Agriculture -- Voice: 202-219-0780  Fax: 202-219-0202
           BITNET: HADY@ERS  INTERNET: HADY@ERS.BITNET
From: bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: alexandrian library
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:27:43 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Vms-Mail-To: HISTORY-L
X-Vms-Mail-Cc: BOB
Comments: To: well!rutvm1.BITNET!history@uunet.UU.NET

>Bob, if Betelguese, Antares, and Aldeberan are greek names, then I'm wrong
>about the magnitude of the loss at Alexandria.

sorry, lenny, that's another reductionist argument.  you, just like
the rest of us, don't know exactly what was lost at "the library." and
you still fail to mention which library and when: there were two and
there were many catastrophes which took place.

>The "ancients" were never much for effective global planning.  I suppose
>that they did not expect the library to burn, but Caesar had other
>ideas.

which caesar: suetonius lists 12, for starters.  please also provide
documentation for caesars "idea" to burn the library--this notion
doesn't jibe with what i had read long ago and i would like to go back
to the primary evidence.

--
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
--
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"history@rutvm1.bitnet"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:57:24 -0400
From:         JFOX@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Oral History
Comments: To: history%rutvm1.bitnet@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

Preparing a bibliographical essay on the status of oral history.
The essay will be geared to academic librarians and focus on the
past decade.  I am with the Oral History Review, other journals and
the indexes which will provide me with bibliographical information.
What I am primarily interested are works which have been produced
during this period which professionals have found to be
particularly interesting or important.  I am also interested in
works which stresses new technology that could be combined with
oral history or used by oral historians in producing a historical
record.  Finally, I would like to include a summary of books and
other materials that you might have found helpful in doing or
teaching oral history.  If you wish you can send your reply
directly to me.  At an appropriate point in time I will summary and
place on the list.  Thank for whatever help and direction that you
can give.
My email address is JFOX@ECN.MASS.EDU
   
X-Envelope-to: HISTORY@FINHUTC.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"HISTORY@FINHUTC"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:42:00 BSC
Reply-To:     gomide@BRFAPQ.BITNET
Comments:     @FAPQ.FAPESP.BR - @FAPQ%FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPQ.BITNET - .BR
              gateway
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was GOMIDE@BRFAPQ
From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course


PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
--
Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357
Software Supervisor     | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo
<gomide@fapq.fapesp.br> | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil
(ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. |
--
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: HISTORY@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU
X-VMS-To: VAXF::IN%"HISTORY@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:36:12 -0600
From:         Jim Causey <J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 500 Anniversary of the Admiral's Voyage
Comments: To: HISTORY@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU

	Bob, I see your point.  I simply got caught up in the moment.  I'll
be more careful in the future.

-------------------
Jim Causey
J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.Colorado.EDU
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:03:24 EDT
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Info on Grad Public History programs
              8 Oct 1992 05:10:52 -0400 from <DA_AZIZ@FANDM.BITNET>

What, pray tell, is "public history"?

Lenny
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"HISTORY%RUTVM1.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:02:00 CST
From:         JCFITZHARRIS@STTHOMAS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Info on Grad Public History programs
Comments: To: HISTORY%RUTVM1.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

 >What, pray tell, is "public history"?
 >
 >Lenny (Abbey)

History that went public.  History done in public by consenting historians.
(Is that obscene?)

Generally, history done outside the "academy" (in government, business, etc.)
is considered public history.

Joe Fitzharris
From: J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU (Jim Causey)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Re: 500 Anniversary of the Admiral's Voyage
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:07:59 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: HISTORY@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU
X-VMS-To: VAXF::IN%"HISTORY@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Comments: To: HISTORY@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU


	By the way, the message with the subject "500 Anniversary of the
Admiral's Voyage," was written by me, Jim Causey.  I forgot to sign it.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU