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From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:34:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.190115.4656@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.180308.22496@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.154659.23682@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct7.021833.14973@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> curran@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Brian Curran) writes:
>>>[lots of drivel deleted ]
>>>
>>Actually, OU's freshman class this year ranked 7th in the U.S. for incoming
>>national merit scholars and 1st among all U.S. public universities.  The new
>>pres., Van Horn, seems tobe making good things happen at Oklahoma.
>
>Oh, yeah? Well how much did OU pay THEM to go to OU? ;-) Looks like a scandal
>to me... I bet the admissions office gets investigated soon! ;-)
>
>Actually, that is pretty impressive. Texas typically places first among
>public universities and second overall in National Merit Scholars enrolled, 
>and therefore must be first or close to it in how many they admit every
>year. This is all very irrelevant, however, as non of the Texas football
>players _I_ have met were National Merit Scholars... ;-)
>
>Jay

Good point.  I learned of these  Nat. Merit students at halftime of the OU-USC game.
They trotted them out on the field and I heard somebody holler, "Big deal!  Get more
football players!"

Oh, BTW,     TEXAS SUCKS!   :-)

>  John R. Boisseau ("Jay")       
>  Department of Astronomy        

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From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:57:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <92281.224513MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   I can't believe it!  Notre Dame-USC?  Harvard-Yale?  How can anybody
>make a list of great football rivalries without including the grandaddy
>of them all?  No, not Penn State -Pitt but my hometown favorite rivalry..
>
>	Lehigh vs. Lafayette !!!
>
>This year will be somewhere around the 113th game between the two.
>
>C'mon guys, sombody should have known this!  And why not any Lehigh
>posters to put this up?
>

well, the subject is Biggest Rivarly in the Country, and i think the fact
that no one else mentioned this is a testament to the fact that it is not a
nationally recognized rivalry, even if it is one of the oldest.

>
>    Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
>					    1991 National League Champions!!
>
>    mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu

-johndoe
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Keywords: Huskies, Number One
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:29:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.040103.3040@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <Bvz4F2.n5B@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:
>>
>>>Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
>>
>>That number would be "two", I believe.
>
>Actually, they beat Iowa, who was ranked in the top 25 at the time...
>
Oops, I only have the current poll...

>>
>>Now that's TWO years in a row that the refs should have called a safety on
>>Miami, and didn't!!!
>
>What the hell are you talking about???  What safety???

OK, here we go:

1991:  Tony Sacca lets one go with about a minute left on 4th & long.  It is
intercepted in the endzone by Miami, and the guy who made the INT (can't
remember his name) runs out to the 1 yd. line.  He cuts back into the endzone
and runs *out of bounds in the end zone*.  Should have been a safety.  Not
called.

1992:  This time, Miami is on offense, in the fourth quarter, on their 4 yd
line or so.  Toretta backs up into the endzone, and throws as he's about to
be hit (but before he is).  He throws it out of bounds around the 15, where
there are NO Miami receivers!  Intentional grounding?  Sure looked like it
to a lot of people (including JoePa).  Of course, it wasn't called.  And, as
the rule was explained to me, intentional grounding in the end zone is a 
safety.

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Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ.
(Y'know, in this sick world we live in, Penn State could STILL win the MNC!)
jdh@math.psu.edu

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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:04:14 GMT

James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu (Jim Pinkelman) writes:
>
>Let me see if I've tracked this conversation correctly...
>
>Paraphrasing,
>
>Someone TRIED to say: "The Pac-Ten is undisbutably the best
>                      conference in college football."
>                      
>Mark said: "Maybe they aren't, the ACC is pretty good so far
>          this year."
>
>Someone said: "It is meaningless to talk about who is best
>               untill the end of the season.  Besides the ACC
>               didn't do that well in bowls LAST YEAR."
>
>Someone else said:  "Yeah!, that last person is right!
>                     How well did the ACC fare in bowls year ?"
>
>The way I read this is that west-coasters have turned their
>assertion that the PAC-10 is this years best football conference
>into a question of how well the ACC did in the bowls LAST YEAR.
>
>Did a miss a logic step here?

Obviously.  The word "west-coasters" above should be replaced by the word
"bone-headed goobers".  Both the Pac Ten and ACC are having quite good
years this year--end of story.

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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:54:56 GMT
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In <1992Oct12.074802.26651@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:

> In article <70885@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
> snip, snip...
> 
> >like FAMU, etc.  Why aren't you also harassing Washington for playing such
> >powerhouses as Oregon St., Oregon, Arizona St., etc.  What's good for the
> 
> Did it occur to you that they are PAC 10 teams and Washington *must*
> play them?  Washington did schedule Nebraska. Miami, on the other
> hand, schedules all their oponents.  Also, Oregon and Arizona St.
> aren't pushovers and would have a field day against FAMU and TCU. You
> seem to forget that playing in the PAC 10 means that they will face
> Stanford, USC, Cal, Washington St. and Arizona. All these teams were
> AP top 25 at one point this season, except for Arizona.

  Sorry Charly, just because you *must* play the teams in your conference
does not excuse you from the "easy schedule" complaint.  A&M has had to put up
with that all year -- yes, most of the SWC does suck, but there is little WE
can do about it.  Being stuck in a wimpy conference means 1) You have to put
up with complaints about "weak schedules" and 2) You're at least safe from 
people calling you chicken about scheduling them ("Hey, we didn't go out and 
ASK for SMU. We *have* to play them.  They're in the conference!").

> | Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
> | tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  You know, I really hope you do!  Which sets up the inevitable "Since Stanford
beat Washington, and A&M beat Stanford, then..." :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:00:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.182106.13347@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.164747.9974@b11.b11.ingr.com> jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>>In article <1992Oct8.200252.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>|> 
>>|> And don't give Jim a hard time, he's probably sweating right now about that
>>|> bunch of psychos from Tulane!  Ooooh, the Green Wave.  Maybe we can schedule
>>|> them next year after the Samford game!!
>>
>>  No doubt Tulane will be ready to play. But remember this; if Bama is fortunate
>>enough to get ahead early, look for the 1st string to be removed!  Like vs South
>>Carolina, the first string was taken out in the 2nd quarter.  Dye had White
>>throwing against Samford in the 3rd quarter after the game was far out of hand.
> 
>     Hell, I would have too.  Gotta pad the boy's stats somehow if
> he's gonna have a shot at being Sully Jr. and winning the Hiemlich. 
> What better way than against a team on which each player must buy
> his own equipment?

I don't know, at the rate he's going this year, he'll have to play here
until he's 28 to get Heisman level stats!!  (and he looked so good against
Tennesse and FSU back in 1990...)

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: help on past National champs
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct14.193207.906@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison) writes...
#Actually I'd like to extend this and ask if people could direct me to the 
#final polls (not just who the Nat'l Champ was) for the past 20 years or
#so.  Maybe by chance someone has this stuff compiled already in byte-space??

I might be tempted to type in the AP results for the past few years next
week, but in the meantime there are a few places to look:  most media
guides have the top ten or so per year since the beginning of the polls, 
sports almanacs (e.g., SI, I think, and Information Please) have been known 
to put this info in, and the NCAA football book from last year had what 
you're looking for as well.

As for Mr. Mitchell's smart-ass blowhard comment:  hold your horses, pal ;-).
I still have to catch up to the guy who promised me space for the anonymous 
ftp.  If I can't find him in the next week or two, I'll give up and try 
to find another site.  Sorry I can't devote myself full-time to this group,
but, after this weekend, I'll have all the piddly dissertation proposal 
requirements complete and out of the way and should be able to be back at
your beck and call, massa'.

#add that I'm an alum of Miami [. . .]
#  [Having never been present at a game where
#your team loses tends to bias your sense of reality.  Now I'm at Virginia - 
#a school where they can't even hold a 28 - 0 lead.  How's that for reality? ]

A Miami alum that doesn't even remember the depressing 42-40 loss to 
Maryland in 1984?  Let me refresh your memory:  Miami was up 30-0 at the
half.  I was debating whether to go home and get ready to go out for the
evening when Boomer Esiason led his team to the most shocking upset I've
ever seen in my life.  I kind of wish I had left the game after all.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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Subject: Re: Strange facts
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:10:47 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Oct12.034511.1629@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>At the halfway point of the I-AA season, after approximately 250 games
>involving I-AA teams, there has not been a tie in a game involving a I-AA team.

Well, I got SamHoustonSt and NichollsSt tying 19-19 this week.
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: PENN STATE BEATS MIAMI!!!!!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL

You people at Penn State are lamenting the fact that you statistically outplayed
Miami and lost ONE game?  How do you think we FSU fans feel?  We have statistically
outplayed Miami most years (this year included, check the yards passing, yards
rushing, return yards, etc.) and lost.  Has ANY other team in America lost so
much at the hands of one opponent as FSU has to Miami?  I think not.  FSU has
been able to regularly beat any school they have played over the past 5 years
except Miami.  What's my point?  I don't know, I'm just frustrated.  FSU and Miami
are the only two teams in the country to finish even in the top 15 for the past
5 years straight and Miami has all of the national championships.  Even the year
we beat them (1989 in Tallahassee, 24-10) they won the national championship.

Mark Mitchell made a good point regarding the ACC.  We began the season with 5
teams in the top 25 and still have ... 5 teams in the top 25!  Only the SEC can
match that.

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From: tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:04:28 GMT

In article <CJ6--a@engin.umich.edu> chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>
>	What does it all mean?  With the exception of Oregon and Oregon 
>st.  It is OK for Washington to win in close games because the opponents 
>are tougher. BUT it is not OK for Miami to win close games from now on.
>(With the exception of Syracuse game).  
>
>	At this point, yes I agree Miami should be #1.  But they must 
>blow out each and everyone of their opponents in order to claim that 
>out right(BY 25 pts or more).  And I am not sure if they can keep that up 
>every week.
>

Many are saying that Miami needs to win by a large margin in upcoming 
games.  What baffles me is that a few years ago when Miami put up a 
large number of points they were condemned as being unsportmanlike.
Now it seems that in order to satisfy people they are being asked to go
back to being "unsportmanslike".  Rack up the points; prove that you can
humiliate opposing teams.

Miami could have put up more points against FSU and PSU but they felt
sorry for 'em :)  :)  

Seriously though, I was amazed at the remarkable lack of penalties 
against the Canes during the last two weeks.  What happened to the
good ol' days like the Cotton Bowl against Texas?  It was kinda 
special when your penalties amounted to more yardage than their 
offense could put together.



Tim Allison
tja2f@virginia.edu


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:14:19 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <44830@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> s243ap@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Dean Roberts) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.013903.14858@walter.bellcore.com> lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>
>I agree.  Miami is not winning its games in the way a #1 team should.
>Just as strength of schedule is an important factor in determining who
>is #1, so is the margin of victory, particularly if a significant number
>of your victories depend on opponents missing field goals.

And Washington is not winning its games the way a #1 team any better. 
The point is is that it is much more impressive to go the the #5/#7 ranked
team in the nation and win, even if only by 3, then to stay at home and take
on an overrated California team, and be tied 7-7 in the 3rd period, the same
California team that got beat BIG time to a very poor Purdue team.  hile
Washington has not looked all that impressive beating border-line top 25 teams,
Miami has been beating top 10 teams.   
>
>In all these instances, the opposing team lost the game, rather than 
>Miami winning.  Miami is a great team, but they do not deserve to be
>#1 until Washington loses, or if they beat Oregon State by less than 
>seven points.
>

Oh get a real life.  The opposing team lost the game...  Damn, Miami is
pretty fucking lucky that three weeks in a row, especially the last two facing
teams that had hopes of the MNC, that they just fucking LOST THE GAME, 
instead of Miami winning.  Let's not forget Washington's recent win vs. an
unimpressive California team... Until the fumbled kickoff, these two teams
were playing neck-n-neck.  And, except for the fact that they then had to
play very risky, this game would have been very close.  They still managed to
out gain the "vaunted" Washington offense.  The "vaunted" Huskie defense gave
up almost 400 yards of offense to Cal, a team that will be lucky to make it
back into the top 25 this year.  
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--5 Oct 92
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  7 Oct 1992 10:31 EST  

>>In article <5OCT199218530020@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>>68 SMU (3-2)		0.8
>>>69 New Mexico St (3-2)	0.8
>>>
>>>After surprising 3-0 starts, these teams are now in a race to the bottom of 
>>>the pack.  Either could easily lose out the rest of the season, and it 
>>>could come down to a question of weakness of schedule.
>>
>>SMU didn't start 3-0. They lost their first game, at home, to Tulane. They
>>missed a short field goal at the very end. They then won 3 in a row before
>>having their Cotton Bowl and National Championship hopes nipped by Baylor
>>this weekend.
>>
>>Jay

Oops.  That's what I get for spouting off without paying attention to what 
I'm talking about.  Maybe I do deserve to be last in Chris Stassens' pool.

R Dendy
From: dschmidt@palladin.corp.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


|> >>>[lots of drivel deleted ]
|> >>>
|> >>Actually, OU's freshman class this year ranked 7th in the U.S. for
|> incoming
|> >>national merit scholars and 1st among all U.S. public universities.
|> The new
|> >>pres., Van Horn, seems tobe making good things happen at Oklahoma.
|> >
|> >Oh, yeah? Well how much did OU pay THEM to go to OU? ;-) Looks like
|> a scandal
|> >to me... I bet the admissions office gets investigated soon! ;-)
|> >
|> >Actually, that is pretty impressive. Texas typically places first
|> among
|> >public universities and second overall in National Merit Scholars
|> enrolled, 
|> >and therefore must be first or close to it in how many they admit
|> every
|> >year. This is all very irrelevant, however, as non of the Texas
|> football
|> >players _I_ have met were National Merit Scholars... ;-)
|> >
|> >Jay
|> 
|> Good point.  I learned of these  Nat. Merit students at halftime of
|> the OU-USC game.
|> They trotted them out on the field and I heard somebody holler, "Big
|> deal!  Get more
|> football players!"
|> 
|> Oh, BTW,     TEXAS SUCKS!   :-)



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