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From: klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Presidential Succession History
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:45:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (marmoset) writes:


>>> nuclear attack or something that wipes out a large number of high
>>> officials, what is the line of succession? 
>>

>Bunch of high officials deleted

>>Secretary of Education
>>Secretary of Veterans Affairs
>>

>I was told by someone (and I want to say that it was Mr. Pennypacker (no lie) 
>my 7th and 8th grade social studies teacher) that the line of succession went
>clear down to the Postmaster General.  Was he just plain full o' it?

The list I have seen had the postmaster general rather high on the list. It was
VP
the chairmen of the 2 houses of congress
4 secrateries of this and that
postmaster general
a bunch of other secretaries.

I got the impression that the list had been made when the cabinet was
much smaller, and that offices were added to the bottom when they
were introduced.

Klaus O K
Newsgroups: misc.legal,talk.abortion
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,bit.listserv.infonets
Subject: On-line Legal: ABA/net
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:16:48 GMT

I have found an entire network which is run for lawyers: ABA/net,
which is administered for the American Bar Association by a
company called iNet.  It has access to the two major commercial
legal databases of cases, LEXIS/NEXIS and Westlaw, as well as
other commercial databases lawyers might find useful -- it gets to
them by having a gateway to other commercial gateway services such
as BRS.

It also has e-mail.  Sending mail into ABA/net doesn't look like
much of a trick.  Apparently all you need is a user's address:
there are gateways to and from MCI-mail, ATT-mail and the
Internet.

What looks interesting to me are the "conferences," which is
apparently their term for echoes or Newsgroups.  That's why I'm
cross-posting to bit.listserv.infonets, the list that contains the
net's experts for accessing systems inside and outside the net. If
there's a way to read those conferences someone in
bit.listserv.infonets will know how to do it.

According to the information sheet I have they have quite a few
conferences where lawyers discuss various things.  There are 3
general ones, called ABCAUCUS, ABFORUM and Organizer, as well as
14 specialized ones, ranging from Aglaw to Taxchat.  There don't
seem to be conferences on criminal law, juvenile law or family
law.  I don't know if I would find discussions on student
empowerment in the schools or provocative words as defense against
felony and tortious battery.  I'd sure like to see a sample of
these conferences.

Folks reading this article in bit.listserv.infonets will probably
be shocked to hear that none of the lawyers in misc.legal seem to
have heard of ABA/net.  I inquired in misc.legal if there were any
specialized legal networks with bulletin board type conferences
and discussion and the word came back that there were not.  That
raises the question: just _who_ subscribes to ABA/net?  Is it a
little network with only a few subscribers?  Is it only attorneys
in big, expensive law firms (which is the impression I get from
looking at the topics of their conferences, which deal with
money-related law such as taxes, corporate law, bankruptcy, real
estate law, etc)?

Anybody know if there is a way to read those conferences?

--
Richard Carlson
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From: hess@boi.hp.com (Kevin C. Hess)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Prosecuting Attorneys
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:02:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I'd like to add a follow up question to this:

If a crime is committed, and the DA does not file charges, how can I
file them?  Am I prohibited from doing so, and by what methods can I
force a DA to file charges?

--
Kevin C. Hess                 The Hewlett-Packard Company
Network Printer Division      11311 Chinden Boulevard
Mail Stop 524                 Boise,, Idaho  83714-0015  USA
hess@hpbs907.boi.hp.com       (208) 323-3384

"There can be only one!" - Conner McLeod of the clan McLeod
"I will not be pushed, filed stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or
numbered - I am not a number, I am a free man!" - Number 6
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: JD != "lawyer" (was: What a Problem!!!)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:18:06 GMT

shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>attorney present.  Kinda like a learner's permit.  Try explaining
>"not being a lawyer" and the distinction between being certified and 
>being admitted to the bar, to a client!

$100/hour to the clients wallet?

:-)

--Tim Smith
Xref: sparky misc.legal:18201 alt.censorship:7908 misc.headlines:6521
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:13:08 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct15.001936.12017@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

> Does this dot-sig get the prize for longest and most elaborate *ever*?
> Don't say "or what?"  If there's been a more info-packed dot-sig than
> this one, I gotta *see* it!
>
>						--Fiona Webster
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Peter Horn 
>>German Department, UCT 
>>43 Trevor Road, Lansdowne 7764, Cape, Republic of  South Africa . 
>>Phone Home ZA-(021)696-1983		e-Mail: HORNPETE@UCTVAX.UCT.AC.ZA 
>>      Work ZA-(021)650-2936		Fax ZA-(021) 650-3726 
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Peter Horn, Walking through our sleep (Poems), Ravan Press 1974
>>Peter Horn, Poems 1964-1989, Ravan Press 1991
>>Peter Horn, An Axe in the Ice (Poems), COSAW Publishing House 
>>forthcoming September/October 1992
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Ravan Press, P.O.Box 31134, Braamfontein 2017, Republic of South Africa
>>COSAW Publishing House, P.O.Box 421007, Fordsburg 2033, Republic of 
>>South Africa.
>>USA: Ohio University Press Fax (614) 593-4536
>>Britain: Central Books, Fax (71) 378-1811
>>Australia: New Era Books, Fax (02) 596-0045
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------


     Actually only five lines of it is .sig; the rest is .plug

                                                        -- jf
From: ndallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: AFT Endorses Model Child Labor Law
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:50:58 GMT


Here is a press release from the American Federation of Teachers.

 AFT Endorses Model Child Labor Law
 To: National Desk
 Contact: Ellen Shearer of the American Federation of Teachers,
          202-879-4458

   WASHINGTON, Oct. 14  -- Gregory Humphrey, director of the 
American Federation of Teachers' Legislation Department, said
today the Child Labor Coalition's new model child labor law is a
"beacon that points the way toward ensuring that those of our youth
who must work don't forego educational opportunities."
   Humphrey, speaking at a news conference announcing the new legal
model for states, said, "The AFT has been active for years in pushing
to end child labor abuses.  We believe the principal job of our
nation's children should be their education.  But those who must work
should be guaranteed conditions that further their education and are
safe and healthful."
   "The AFT supports the coalition's model child labor law and will
send copies to our state federations," said Humphrey, who also is
executive assistant to the AFT president and secretary-treasurer.
   "We have supported efforts in Congress to amend the Fair Labor
Standards Act to address child labor abuses," he said.  "While this
legislation has not been enacted so far, we are hopeful that a new
administration will lead to its enactment in the future."
   The AFT, a member of the Child Labor Coalition, represents 796,000
teachers, paraprofessionals and school-related personnel, higher
education faculty and staff, nurses and health care professionals,
and state and municipal employees.
   Copies of the AFT's award-winning article, "Children Who Labor"
(American Educator, Summer 1989), are available by calling the AFT
Public Affairs Department at 202-879-4458.
 -30-
From: edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: JD != "lawyer" (was: What a Problem!!!)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:19:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <4caD023Y25yE01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com><1992Oct9.213424.14213@eff.org>
  <67463@cup.portal.com> <MAYER.92Oct12130725@porky.sono.uucp>

>
>edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok) <67463@cup.portal.com> writes:
>>I was sworned in December, at which point I allowed others to
>                                             ^^^^^^^
>>call me a lawyer.
>
>Right.  Before then it would have been slander or libel or whatever.
>

Slander when spoken, libel when recorded on a fixed medium.  Like your
sense of humor.  
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: johnscar@microsoft.com (John Scarborough)
Subject: Hypnosis-enhanced testimony
Date: 08 Oct 92 00:11:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

'm looking for articles/papers/books on hypnosis-enhanced 
testimony/witnessing.
   
   I'm not an academic or a student not trying to get anyone to
do my homework for me -- I'm trying to learn what's going on in
"talk-therapy", esp. regarding the producton of "videotape quality"
memories of alleged childhood sexual abuse.  My sister, under the
treatment of therapists for MPD, is coming up with extraordinary 
and bizarre images from her childhood.  I doubt that she's trying
to con anyone, but I doubt that they happened -- I grew up in the
same house.  So what's happening?  
    
   I'll take any level of info: clinical reports, case studies,
personal accounts, books, professional papers, etc.  

   If you're too pressed for time, I could also use paths to 
pursue via InfoTrack or other on-line library catalogs.  I'm not
familiar with the terms by which this information might be cataloged.

Thanks,

John Scarborough
From: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: student loans
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:25:27 EST
Reply-To: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


N. Trafford Vaccaro, in a message to All on 10-08-92 at 3:04pm, said:

NT>|A friend of mine ows about 10,000 dollars plus interest on a
   |guaranteed student loan. He graduated and has a job, a condo, and
   |a year old baby, and can't afford the $140/month payment. He tried
   |calling the people at Student Loan Services and he talked to them.
   |He wanted to try and get the monthly payments reduced to about 80,90,
   |or 100 dollars/month, but they would not work with him. So, they
   |sent the loan info to the Guarantor (State of Florida) and he is
   |in a default status, even though he wants to pay the thing back.
   |He tried to get help from the County Credit Counseling service,
   |but they said they could not help with student loans. He wanted
   |to get in touch with whoever the Guarantor is, but was told by
   |Student Loan Services that he can't call them, he has to wait
   |until they call him. Now he's all worried about what's going to
   |be done to him, etc. Can anyone shed light on what can be done to him,
   |if he's going to lose his home, get his wages garnished? He wants
   |to pay the loan back, but he can barely make ends meet now.
   |______________________________________________________________________

          The borrower should write to the Guarantor and explain the
          circumstances and offer to meet and develop a plan of repay-
          ment.  Before the matter results in a judgment against him,
          someone will be very interested in a negotiated resolution --
          because the vast majority of such loans get written off once
          they reach this point.  If the response is not immediately
          forthcoming, he should be patient.


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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: "Innocent Until Proven Guilty"???
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:07:53 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

Where did the words "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" first appear in the context of US law?
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:59:50 GMT
Subject: Can't I start a business in this town?
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: misc.legal

	
	Hi all....

	In reference to laws regulating what types of business may
	be allowed to 'do business':

	I am considering running a 'paintball' business in my town.
	This is a game where people shoot paint-pellets from air-guns
	in an 'adult' game of "tag".

	I am told that the supervisors in my town probably won't
	allow me to operate such a business because they don't
	like the game.  They think it's too agressive, so of course
	they don't want anyone else to play it either.

	This seems a bit oppressive to me....  

	What rights do I have WRT owning and operating a legitimate business
	in America?   I know of a few adult bookstores in this town.
	And I can get porn flicks from every video rental place in town,
	but I bet the supervisors can't even touch those businesses.

	Can I bring suit against them? (which I would HATE to do)

	Please help.....

	-Mike-

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
Subject: Re: Working on the Chain Gang (was: Re: Roe v. Wade for Men)
Keywords: FEMINISMUS DELENDUS EST
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:36:05 GMT

matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:

>In article <Bvyz6K.MvI@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> 
>kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:

>>Obviously the legal liabilities to which men
>>are currently heir are remnants of an archaic, patriarchal, paternalistic
>>system which saw women as weak creatures needing male support and 
>>sustenance.  As we all know, this is certainly not true.  Women need men
>>like fish need bicycles.  I suggest you take classes in feminine discourse
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^
>>so that you may widen your horizons and free yourself from the submissive
>>self-image which the dominant male culture has imposed on you. 
>>[Steve Kellmeyer; emphasis added]

>What an unfortunate typo!  Mr. Kellmeyer, of course, means classes in
>*feminist* discourse.   There's nothing "feminine" about opposition
>to the patriarchal system.  Moreover, it's still the same old story:
>"Woman needs man, and man must have his mate," as no feminine woman 
>would deny.  It's only the _farbisseneh_ feminists who make that crack
>about fish and bicycles.

>					-- Matt Rosenblatt
>                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

GOOD EYE!  It is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise sterling example of
liberal logic, is it not?  :->

Steve Kellmeyer
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>TRUTH     JUSTICE     FREEDOM     YIDDISHKEIT     IVY     THE AMERICAN WAY
-- 

Steve Kellmeyer 
kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: property/future interests formal syntax help
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.023231.29666@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.201213.12787@rosevax.rosemount.com> craig@bunsen.rosemount.com (Craig Taylor) writes:
>>I am currently taking Property and I'm more than a little
>>confused by what seems to be use of undefined words in
>>future interest problems.  
>>
>><text deleted>
>>I am definitely looking for black letter solutions here, 
>>preferably in some formal syntax.  I did not have this problem
>>in contracts, civil procedure or torts last year.
>
>This is a common problem for law students, but there is a cheap and
>very effective fix: Buy the Law-In-A-Flash flashcard set for Future
>Interests. After one or two passes through these cards, you will know
>future interests cold.

Future interests is definitely the one subject that can only be learned
by lots of practice.  I second the law-in-a-flash rec, and for additional
black-letter, the Gilbert's on Property by Dukeminier is very good.

There once was a time and place where future interests was a whole
semester course.

ObLegalTrivia: Which film noir has a crucial plot turn on a misapplication
               of the Rule Against Perpetuities?
-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
ajax crypto-analyzer -- warning! remove all chicken bones first
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.folklore.urban
From: mikkelson%rwtms2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com (snopes)
Subject: Re: Presidential Succession History (was: Presidential UL's)
Organization: Will pay money for food.
Date: 13 OCT 92 22:18:24    


In article <adams.718656959@spssig>, 
  adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes...

>Wasn't the assassination of Lincoln part of a larger conspiracy to kill a
>number of Northern government figures, including Scty. Seward?

This does bring up an interesting question, though.  In case of
nuclear attack or something that wipes out a large number of high
officials, what is the line of succession? 

 - snopes

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|              "Facts are stupid things"  - Ronald Reagan, 1988               |
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mayer@sono.uucp (Ron Mayer)
Subject: Re: JD != "lawyer" (was: What a Problem!!!)
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
	<1992Oct9.213424.14213@eff.org> <67463@cup.portal.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:07:24 GMT


edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok) <67463@cup.portal.com> writes:
>I was sworned in December, at which point I allowed others to
                                             ^^^^^^^
>call me a lawyer.

Right.  Before then it would have been slander or libel or whatever.

    :-)

Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.folklore.urban
From: vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer)
Subject: Re: Presidential Succession History (was: Presidential UL's)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:42:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.051945.12035@PA.dec.com> mikkelson%rwtms2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com (snopes) writes:
>
>This does bring up an interesting question, though.  In case of
>nuclear attack or something that wipes out a large number of high
>officials, what is the line of succession? 
>

Alexander Haig, of course.

But by then he will probably be powerless to stop the Terries.

Vance "Posting On Some Hunk o' diodes" Kochenderfer
Virginia Tech                    |  "Get me out of these ropes and into a
vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu           |   good belt of Scotch"    -Nick Danger


Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade for Men!
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:41:38 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

uctlxpd@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Bartlett) writes:
>If one accepts abortion as a legal option (as I do), the question becomes
>who has control over the decision as to whether to carry the child to term.

And in formulating the answer to this specific question, please keep
in mind the Principle that Authority and Responsibility should go hand
in hand:  whoever has one should have the other as well.
-- 
                     Vote for *anybody* but Quayle!
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Net-bandit running short of words
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:06:35 EDT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <10292282.421.13557@kcbbs.gen.nz> 
Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:

>Mikhail Zeleny is already running short of words :->
>Answering public messages by private threats:->:->:->

I love your cute little ASCII graphics, Hakki.  How did you ever
manage to get the idea for such inventive, original designs?

>>In article <10292279.77102.19750@kcbbs.gen.nz> you write:

MZ:
>>>>It is to be hoped that Mr Rushdie, as well as some of his numerous Western  
>>>>defenders, in this forum and elsewhere, will see fit to contribute towards  
>>>>the elimination of the continued threat against his life, which also  
>>>>constitutes a menace for the cardinal principle of Western culture, the  
>>>>idea of freedom of expression.  I sincerely hope that all participants in  
>>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  

HK: 
>>>Hey Mikhail!  
>>>you should very well know by now that the idea of "freedom of expression"  
>>>is just another idea out of basketfull of ideas for us unless you reveal   
>>>more about the machinary behind it. We need MORE REVELATIONS from YOUR BOOK   
>>>of BOOKS Man! BRING YOUR BOOK ! so that we can compare it word to word,   
>>>and see how far you can endure exercising your "freedom of expression"...  
>>>Yes Mikhail, I am challenging you :->Don't forget to bring by the  
>>>revelations of Rushdie with you.  

MZ:
>>Well, send me your seconds then.  Pistols at 75 meters is my choice.

HK:
>Hey Mikhail, how can you silence words by pistols Man ! 

My intent is not to silence words, but to put an end to blithering.  I
am sure that you can appreciate the difference.  Likewise, I am sure
that you know that the choice of arms belongs to the defending party.

HK:
>What happened to your:->

I usually wear one around my 8==*

MZ:
>;->->>the cardinal principle of Western culture, 
>;->->>the idea of freedom of expression.  

HK:
>>>Here you are Mikhail, throw your artifacts like the magicians of Pharoah..  
>>>Here is your once in a life time chance....don't miss it Man !  

MZ:
>>I assure you that I won't miss.

MZ:
>>>>the current debate would agree that this action makes the situation more  
>>>>fair and equitable.  

>>>>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu  

HK:
>ya pipi, ya pistol ha ?

Just make sure you don't put the wrong tool in the right place, old chap.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
smiley-free and proud 
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
Subject: Re: JD != "lawyer" (was: What a Problem!!!)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:47:38 GMT

tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.030548.4916@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, 
>noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>> [summarizing comments by Anne Mitchell, JD (for all you non-legal
>> eagles out there, JD stands for "Juris Doctoris" - lawyer)

>Nit-pick alert, but JD means only that the individual has obtained a law 
>degree, not that the individual is a lawyer.

Let's pick that nit some more.  Depending on the dictionary you use,
a lawyer can be anyone involved in the study or profession of law,
while one who is authorized to represent another is an attorney.
-- 
Stevens R. Miller, J.D.		Electronic Frontier Foundation Member 932
				Republican National Committee Member 90050367
				Amateur Radio Station WA4LDA
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