From: shay@osiris (George Shay)
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:09:36 GMT

This is my first time to post in this newsgroup although I have been reading
it for quite a while.
On your situation, it is kinda hard to say it is racial discrimination. But
definetely is a problem of racial equality. In this country, there are all
kinds laws to implement the so called Equal Oppurtunities. On the surface,
you are well-treated by main stream. But do you think in their deep mind
they will treat you as same as someone in their own race? No, and NEVER, it
is easy to change the law, you can do it in several days(of course, changing
the laws in several days naver happened in congress, anyway). But it may
take several generations to change their deep mind. There are still a lot of
prejudices in their deep thoughts. and It surprised me that it not only
happened in non-well-educated white people, but also in well educated white
people. I have dated several caucasian females myself, and my experience is
the more education they have, the more prejudices they have. That tells me
something, and I think about it for a long time. I found several
answers(only myopenions) and I like to share it with you.
I think one very important point is where I come from, come from a rich
country or a poor country, whether my home country or the home country of ancesters is strong or weak. I still can remember a story told by the first
president of Republic of China, Sant Yet Sheng(Spelling is wrong, but I hope
you can understand whom I am talking about): At the very beginning of this
century, overseas Chinses were discriminated by the Government of Colony  in
some islandic countries(those islands were called South Sea Islands, should
be in southern pacific ocean), those chinese needed to carry a special
licnese in order to walk on the street after dark!!! But Japanese people
need not. One night a very rich chinese businessman went to a party and
forgot the time and license(He forgot to bring the license), you know what
he did in order to go back home(he couldn't go because he did not have a
license and on the street the police would go to chech your licnese if you
were a chinese)? He called a Japenese prostitute, gave her money and that
Japense prostitute accompanied him to go back home. They did meet a police,
that Japenese prostitute told the police she was a JAPENESe, so police let
them go. So the conclution is: The police respected a prostitute because her
COUNTRY is Strong though she was poor, the police did not respect a rich
businessman because his country was poor though he was rich.

The another story is Last tuesday I watched TV. It was Jerry Springer talk
show, a conversation between him and 2 racists. To my surprise, even white
people are classified as 2 classes, the 1st class is english/scottish/irish,
the second class is italian/germen/french. I can still remmber, in middle
centry, the First class europeans are Latin
europeans(Spanish,Italian,French), the second class are Anglo_saxon. And
suddenly Anglo-sexon became first class, Latin european became the second. I
guess becuase last centry and this centry are the turning point, Britain and
Germany bacame very strong in Europe.

So all in all, this world respects the power. If your home country is strong
you receive more respection from the others. Although personally I do not
like the way the Japenese are doing their business, but I am glad to see teh
Japenese are teaching those racists a hard lesson. The asian people can do
better than them. They are not smarter at all. And also I hope China and
India can become superpowers. Then in this world, we can receive much more
respection.

Be honest, I will not let my sister date an Indian unless I know this guy
very well, sure he has nice personality and good education. Before that I
will not let her do it. Personally I do not hate indians, in fact, my
advisor was an Indian, and I do appreciate he gave me a lot of help.

P.S. Never think the mainstream will treat you as one of them. I can tell
you another story. I started a penpal friendship with a nice girl,in New
Zealand, it is very intresting to talk to her on net and she enjoyed writing
me mails(she tlod me she was writing her thesis, and write to me was kinda
of relax and fun). Everything changed after I told her I am an oriental(she
said she had english/irich/germen/french blood and asked mine). After that
she never send me any mails. I believe 100% she will not admitte she is a
racist, but what does this story tell me? BTW, we never talk about love or
what ever, we talked about tennis stars, comedies and music, nothing else. I
talked to her because my friends in Austrilia visited New Zealand and kind
enough to mail me some photoes they took ther. It is a very beutiful
country. I am just a kinda curious to know this country.

So all in all, never expect you would be understood by other races.



it is just my $.02.


George