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From: barrie@calvin.demon.co.uk (Barrie Spence)
Subject: Re: Problem with "umount" on SCO-ODT (UNIX v. 5.3.2)
Organization: DataCAD Ltd, Hamilton, Scotland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:25:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.sysv386

In article <STAALE.92Sep7145932@grim.kvatro.no> staale@kvatro.no
(Staale Deraas) writes:
>
>On SCO 3.2 you have a command that is called "fuser", that will tell
> you who are using the file system.

I have experienced the same problems under 3.2v2 and 3.2v4.1. "fuser"
does not report any processes using the filesystem.

The system is running nfs (from/to Sun and Intergraph machines) &
supporting a PC via pcnfs. Stoping both nfs and tcp/ip still doesn't
allow me to dismount the filesystem. I'm running with an IDE root/usr
filesystem and usr2 and usr3 on scsi disks off an Adaptec 1542. I only
get problems on the usr2 (scsi) filesystem - the one accessed via
PC-NFS.

(I've hopefully redirected follow-ups to comp.unix.sysv386 -
biz.sco.general may have been more appropriate, but it wasn't in the
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x.apps
From: ruck@zeta.ee.ufl.edu (John R Ruckstuhl Jr)
Subject: backward MANPATH ?
Organization: EE Dept at UF
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:17:51 GMT

Sanity check, please --
Regarding "man" (SunOS 4.1.1) and "xman" utilities,

These utilities output the manpage found !last! in the MANPATH, 
so one might suggest the MANPATH be constructed backwards (relative to
the construction of other "paths" like PATH, LDPATH, etc.).

E.g., 
If       PATH  is like  /usr/bin:/usr/local/bin ,
then  MANPATH  is like  /usr/local/man:/usr/man .

which avoids mismatching documentation and executable when, e.g.,
    /usr/bin/cut , /usr/man/man1/cut.1,
    /usr/local/bin/cut , /usr/local/man/man1/cut.1
all exist.

Right?  
Is this standard "man" behavior?
To me, it's counter-intuitive; is there an interesting explanation for this?

Best regards,
ruck
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From: stevew@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Stephen M. Wynne)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Alternative SysV3 Manpaths? (Was: backward MANPATH ?)
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:24:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: sisters.STEVEW.92Sep10162403
	<5448@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
Followup-To: comp.unix.questions
Organization: CS Dept, University of Oregon

Speaking of MANPATH, can SysVR3 (dynix/ptx) be more flexible than
looking in /usr/catman/manX for catenated files, or am I just
dreaming?

Thanks,

STEVE
From: paul@prcrs.prc.com (Paul Hite)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: changing name of core file
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:43:18 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Sep3.210650.65595@evolving.com>, dxs@evolving.com (Dan Stanger) writes:
> does anyone know how to change the name of the core file that will be
> created if a program fails.  we have several programs running in the
> same directory so if more than one of them fails the core file from
> one overwrites the other.  we would like to change the name to
> program.core or somthing like that.

Core is dropped when a signal is received.  You can install a signal
handler to catch the signal(s) and do some special processing.

One way the signal handler could work is to:
	create a new directory
	cd to it
	remove the signal handler  (not needed with SysV)
	send the signal to yourself again
You will drop core in the new directory.  Thus you'd have
	./core1/core
	./core2/core
	./core3/core
	...

There's still a chance that two processes would both try to make,
say, ./core2 at the same time.  If that's really an issue you
could use file locking, semaphores, links to directories, or
some other way of handling the race condition.  It's hard to be
specific since you failed to mention what system you're using.

If the core file *must* be renamed, you could get fancier.  The signal
handler could fork.  The child would dump core.  The parent would wait 
for the child to exit and then rename the core file.

But personally, I'd just run the programs in different directories :-)

Paul Hite   PRC Realty Systems  McLean,Va   paul@prcrs.prc.com    (703) 556-2243
    "We are trying to bring up an Air Traffic Control display on an X window 
      terminal and there seems to be some problems." -- from comp.windows.x
From: swynne@cie.uoregon.edu.uoregon.edu (Stephen Wynne)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Berkely Fast File System
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:53:36 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I'm having difficulties understanding the Berkeley Fast File System.
I can see how fragmentation would be a problem under the old method, 
but I'm getting lost in the details of cylinder groups, bitmaps, etc...
Would anyone care to start a discussion on this topic with me?

Thanks,

STEVE
From: bat@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: HELP !!! JOB INTERVIEW TIME !!!!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:45:11 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation





			HELP !!!

Can anyone give me a summary of the following items.

SMTP mail, the news data base and its structure, AARNET and other internet 
facilities and what is the difference between Domain Name Service and 
Distributed Name Service.

Its amazing what you can become an expert in at job interviews isn't it !!


				Brenton

				BAT@DSTOS3.DSTO.GOV.AU
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From: jochen@busybit.mrz.sub.org (Jochen Fahrner)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Problem with "umount" on SCO-ODT (UNIX v. 5.3.2)
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:34:47 GMT
Organization: Busybit's Software Labor, D-8068 Pfaffenhofen
X-Md4-Signature: 05d98c415a4a3a642fd43daabe0fd343

In article <1992Sep2.202716.9600@cse.iitb.ernet.in> raj@cse.iitb.ernet.in (Gokhale Rajendra V ) writes:

   We have an 80486 machine running SCO-ODT (UNIX v.5.3.2).  We have two
   hard discs, one containing the root partition while the other (designated
   as /dev/user) is mounted as /usr2.  The problem is that we are unable to
   unmount the latter.  umount complains "/dev/user busy" although the
   file system is not really busy.  This behaviour is observed with
   unfailing regularity.
   As a result, we can never  do a normal shutdown of the machine.
   Can anyone help?

Wonderfull!
We have this problem since we use SCO Unix (about 2 years), and we
colud not solve the problem with our german distributors.
We have several file systems, some are exported with NFS.
And only one filesystem (/u) is *always* busy when we do a shutdown.
The only difference is, that this filesystem is mounted from some
DOS-PCs with Sun PC-NFS 3.0.1. The other filesystems are only mounted
by unix-Workstations.
-- 
Jochen Fahrner, D-8068 Pfaffenhofen, jochen@busybit.mrz.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: cwahl@panix.com (Charles Wahl)
Subject: Re: plain mail and carbone copy
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:08:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep9.162709.3813@IRO.UMontreal.CA> robichau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Robichaud) writes:

>Is it true that there is no such way that I can't
>automaticaly put my name on the Cc (carbone-copy)
>list?

No, it is not true that there is no such way.  In mailx or mail you
should be able to put the following line in your .mailrc file:

set record=/path/filename

(mine, for instance is set record=~/mail/cc).

This will record all outgoing mail in /$HOME/mail/cc, to give the
editors of _The_Complete_Email_of_Benoit_Robichaud_ a lot to work with.

Charles Wahl

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.internals
From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Best way to be alerted on the demise of a child process?
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:49:06 GMT

Unix.illuminati:  

what is the best way to keep track of numerous child processes that one
may have forked off ? Specifically I'd like to be notified asynchronously
when any of them dies.  I know that that I can check the status of 
a specific child via waitpid() (BTW: is that the _best_ way of checking status?)
but that is a synchronous way of doing so, what I am looking for is a
way to spawn off a child and have some signal handler deal with its
death --if and when that occurs.  I know that this must have been 
done a zillion ways but I am looking for "the best" way if one exists. 
Blast me email and I'll summarize...

fmb

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From: nivaldo@impa.br (Nivaldo Nunes de Medeiros Junior)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: pager
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:24:45 GMT

>  
> PAGER="pg"
>  
> but whenever I use the man command, the output is still filtered
> through more.  What am I doing wrong?
> 

Hello Jeff,

     I don't know exactly what are wrong with your .profile setting. But
I had put 

          setenv PAGER pg 

in my .login file and I got sucess. 

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Question about make and environment variables
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:21:52 GMT



Hi there,

I am using SunOS 4.1.1 on a Sparc-2 and I have a question
about make and setting environment variables.

Is there any way to have a target like this:

setarch:
	setenv ABC def

and have ABC be set in the parent shell?  

Also, make seems to invoke /bin/sh as the default shell 
to invoke this rule, so it fails.  My SHELL (and shell) 
variables are set to /usr/local/bin/tcsh, but it seems 
to ignore them.  Anyone know why?

If I type:  "make SHELL=/usr/local/bin/tcsh setarch", it
works fine.

Also, is it possible to set environment variables in
arbitrary shells?  Can they be referenced by the tty
that they are connected to (probably a long shot!)

Thanks for any info!


-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 10:19:59 MES
From: Holger Klawitter, Informatik <KLAWITT@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject:    Trouble with xdm and /tmp/utmp

I have trouble with xdm under SunOS4.1.*/OpenWindows3.0
Some programs (like printtool, xvnews and MIT-xlock) get their uid via
cuserid. cuid checks its tty and gets the user from /etc/utmp. Therefore
these programs believe to be owned by xdm when being started from the
olwm menu.
Is there any program/patch to correct the entry in /etc/utmp?

Thanks in advance

Holger Klawitter

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x.apps
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: backward MANPATH ?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:14:52 GMT

ruck@zeta.ee.ufl.edu (John R Ruckstuhl Jr) writes:

>Sanity check, please --
>Regarding "man" (SunOS 4.1.1) and "xman" utilities,

>These utilities output the manpage found !last! in the MANPATH, 
>so one might suggest the MANPATH be constructed backwards (relative to
>the construction of other "paths" like PATH, LDPATH, etc.).

>E.g., 
>If       PATH  is like  /usr/bin:/usr/local/bin ,
>then  MANPATH  is like  /usr/local/man:/usr/man .

Strange. On my version of SunOS 4.1.1, man(1) searches the MANPATH
in the order specified in MANPATH.
Man has some serious brain damage, though. The search algorithm is something
like:

	for chapter in 1 n l 6 8 2 3 4 5 7 p o
	    for suffix in getsuffixlist(chapter) !!!!!
		for dir in $MANPATH
			if ( -r $dir/man$chapter/$program.$chapter$suffix)
			    found
			if ( -r $dir/cat$chapter/$program.$chapter$suffix)
			    found


The MANPATH should be in the outer loop, of course.

With MANPATH = /usr/man:/usr/local/man, man now prefers
/usr/local/man/cut.1 over /usr/man/man1/cut.1v
The suffixlist for chapter one expands to ``<nothing> b c g m p r s v w''
and man tries:
	/usr/man/man1/cut.1
	/usr/man/cat1/cut.1
	/usr/local/man/man1/cut.1 <- found !

And you wanted it to find /usr/man/man1/cut.1v!!

Casper

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From: pf@artcom0.north.de (Peter Funk)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: What is 'copysign' supposed to do ?
Summary: Can't find function 'copysign' in my system libraries
Keywords: copysign, math.h, portability
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:28:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: artcom0.4375
Organization: ArtCom GmbH, Atelier f. Computergrafik, Bremen(FRG)

I've just tried to install 'psgraph' on my SCO XENIX system.
(psgraph was recently posted to comp.sources.unix).
Unfortunately I was unable to resolve the function 'copysign'.
After studying all my manuals and several books about
portable UNIX programming I was still unable to figure out, 
what this function is supposed to do.

Thanks in advance, Peter.
Note: The usual "english_is_not_my_native_language"-disclaimer applies
      to this "kraut"-babble.
-=-=-
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Work at home: Oldenburger Str.86, D-2875 Ganderkesee 1 / voice : top secret
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Doing FTP in background ...
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:27:28 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.

>>>>> In article <32515@adm.brl.mil>, hjbortol@impa.br (Humberto Jose Bortolossi) writes:

HJB> Is it possible to do ftp as an process running in background? I tried
HJB> to do this using a script file but I didn't get sucess. How do I supress  the
HJB> transaction ftp messages? I tried the following:

HJB> nohup ftp xxx.xxx.xxx < ftp.commands > dev/null &

HJB> where ftp.commands is a file with ftp commands.

Create a .netrc file containing the following:

machine <machine-name> login <login-name> password <password> 

Check the man page of netrc(5) for details.

Then you can do 

ftp <machine-name> < ftp.commands > /dev/null &


Luck!
-Shubu
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: daniel@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Weise)
Subject: Portable method for obtaining domain style hostnames.
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Distribution: comp
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:44:49

Is there any guaranteed portable method (ie, works under all shells)
for determing the domain-style hostname of a Unix box?

Thanks,
Daniel Weise
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: ddavis@highlite.uucp (Darrel L. Davis)
Subject: HELP: Need to read DOS floppy in ATT UNIX 3.2.3
Keywords: dos floppy unix
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:42:29 GMT

I desparately need a utility that will allow me to read a MS-DOS floppy on
an AT&T 3B2-500 UNIX Box under UNIX SV release 3.2.3.

There is a company who sold this kind of utilities for the 3B, but they have 
stopped supporting it after UNIX 3.2.1.  I have a site that needs to be able to read an ASCII file from a DOS Floppy.  Any info or even source code would be 
greatly appreciated.
.


Darrel L. Davis:  ddavis@gotham.com  ddavis@highlite.uucp  uunet!highlite!ddavis
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From: jiazhang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jiajie Zhang)
Subject: Problems: software installation using makefile
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:18:47 GMT





Many times when I tried to a software using makefile, I always got
compiling error messages.  The following error messages are from
installing lwsrv of cap60, but the same messages were also given to me
for other programs.

	cc -o lwsrv  fontlist.o lwsrv.o papstream.o procset.o simple.o
	spmisc.o att_geto pt.o -lcap
	ld: Undefined symbol
	   __Q_get_rp_rd
	   _dlopen
	   _dlclose
	   _dlsym
	   _nl_langinfo
	*** Error code 2
	make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `lwsrv'


When I replaced "LD=ld" with "LD=ld -ldl" in the makeifle, I still got
something like 

	cc -o lwsrv  fontlist.o lwsrv.o papstream.o procset.o simple.o
	spmisc.o att_geto pt.o -lcap
	ld: Undefined symbol
	   __Q_get_rp_rd
	   _nl_langinfo
	*** Error code 2
	make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `lwsrv'

The machine is a Sun Sparc 2 running SunOs 4.1.  I was told that the
problem might be caused by the shared libraries, which were rebuilt
for Network Name Server (or something like that).  However, because I
am only an end user, I do not know much about the system stuff.

Does anyone know how to solve this problem, either temporarily or
permanently?  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

Jiajie Zhang
jiazhang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu




Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Subject: Re: missing nroff in SYSVR4
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:10:19 GMT

johe@pbutv.pb.se (Jonas Heyman) writes:


>Hi,

>In our distribution for SYSV4 we didn't get nroff (DG/UX on a AV8000).
>I need this for our local man-pages.

>Anybody have the same problem ? Is there source out there for nroff ?

>Thanks in advance for any reply, Jonas,

>-- 

>   /johe@pbutv.pb.se/

Are you sure you did not get it?  In my SYSVR4.3 for Intel, the *roff
packages were in /usr/ucb (I believe.  The machine is not up right now.).

If they indeed were not included, then try cawf, distributed on
comp.sources.misc about 2 years ago.

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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Questions from a Novice
Date: 8 Sep 1992 03:51:09 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <xxpnjvj.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>1. Why is it that if I log in as one user, su to another, and then
>run openwin, it won't log to the console window?  The specific error
>message I get is 
>   "System warning: Object 0x165d0, Permission denied, 
>    ioctl TIOCCONS returned -1, attempt to make tty the console failed 
>    (Tty package)"

When you login, the system sets the ownership of the terminal device
(/dev/console, in this case) to you, so that you can perform operations
that are restricted to the terminal's user (e.g. changing permissions, as
is done by the mesg(1) command).

On the other hand, su(1) doesn't change ownership of the terminal.  The
operation that redirects console I/O to a window (TIOCCONS) is another of
the operations that's restricted to the owner (to prevent someone else from
stealing your output).  So, when openwin tries to redirect console output,
it gets a "Permission denied" error because you're not running as the
console owner.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Subject: Re: .netrc entry for default ftp connects
Keywords: ftp netrc
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:50:07 GMT

smr@hitkw14.pki-nbg.philips.de (S.Riehm) writes:

>guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep12.184012.2519@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
>>-} .netrc works fine if I specify the machine that I want to contact. Often, tho,
>>-} I want to jump out on the net and use anonymous ftp.

>>Well, then use this script (suitably modified for your situation) in
>>place of ftp:

>[script deleted]

>eek! that script adds a line to the end of your .netrc file every time
>you ftp somewhere... why don't you just read the man page to get the
>answer...

>---
>netrc(4)

>    default             This is the same as 'machine name' except that
>			default matches any name.  There can be only
>			one default token, and it must be after all
>			machine tokens.  This is normally used for
>			ftp as follows:

>			default login anonymous password user@site

>			This provides automatic anonymous FTP login
>			to machines not specified in .netrc.  This
>			can be overridden in ftp by using the -n flag
>			to disable auto-login.
>---

>need I say more?

>catchya

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>"My company speaks another language, I CAN'T speak on it's behalf"

Do you actually use this?  What hardware and OS version?  I just replaced my
.netrc file with one having only the default line such as above and tried
two well-known sites, oak.oakland.edu and export.lcs.mit.edu.  It did not
work with either one.

I just read my man page (SunOS 4.1.2) and there is no mention of any of this
about default.

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