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From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Dino's Revenge: Times have changed in DC.
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:12:12 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia


When Dino Ciccarelli takes the Capital Centre ice for tonights game with the 
Caps, he and Bryan Murray might want to ask someone to show them 
around the new-look Centre and it's proud hockey team.

The red tint reflecting off the Capital Centre ceiling comes from all the 
empty seats.  The Caps are off some 1,700 fans PER GAME from last year, and 
unless there's a BIG trade in sight, don't expect much change here.

Speaking of BIG trades, Kevin Miller is no longer in Washington.  He went 
bust after ten games.  One can only hope the same will soon be true for 
Bryan's old buddy - hustlin' Bob Carpenter.  Then again, there can't be 
another GM stupid enough to make a move FOR Bob Carpenter.

Rod Langway is not on the team anymore.  That's right, he told the team a 
week or so ago that he didn't see himself playing for the Caps ever again.  
Rod couldn't take the reality of becoming a part-timer, so he's taken his 
puck and gone to the hospital for surgery.  Don't expect to see him at the 
game, he hasn't shown at games or practices (he hasn't shown face for that 
matter) in nearly two weeks.

Of course I doubt Dino has any feelings of great loss.  Isn't it ironic that 
Langway was the guy who said Dino was getting blown off his skates game in 
and game out all last year?  Wasn't it Langway who said us average fans 
didn't understand the game?  

Tonight, Dino will be on skates, Rod will be sulking at his bar, and us know 
nothing stupid fans will be home staying away from the ticket booth and 
laughing and rooting, "Dino, Dino, Dino."

Warren
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:05:11 EST
From: <DMB144@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FLYERS VS. RANGERS

     It's great to see the Flyers playing well again, and the Rangers loo
king like, well, they haven't won the Cup since 1940.  The Ranger's looked very
 lazy in there own end, with players standing around watching the puck.  I gues
s that is what happens when you are being dominated.  Speaking of dominated, ho
w about over the hill tough guy Dave Brown teaching Tie Domi a thing or two abo
ut fighting in the NHL.  Then there is "tough, hard-nosed" defensemen Jeff Beuk
eboom.  He learned what taking a hit means when Eric Lindros made him part of t
he boards at the Spectrum.  He responded ever so bravely when he jumped Lindros
from behind (in typical Ranger fashion).  Why don't people jump Messier when he
 dishes out hits?  Lindros hits clean, while Messier is one of the dirtiest pla
yers in the league.  Go FLYERS!!!!!!



                            Doug Banks
                            (DMB144)
                            PSU--Middletown
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From: lensbs@jec303.its.rpi.edu (Sean Erik Lensborn)
Subject: Re: NCAA hockey
Keywords: NCAA hockey
Reply-To: lensbs@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:10:18 GMT

  subscribe to rpi.hockey-1

 it lists all ncaa division 1 hockey results and times-union polls and
various other hockey polls.
			sean
-- 
lensbs@rpi.edu                           |"New way what's this about a new
"I disagree with what you say, but I     | way" "Don't you laugh damn you,
will defend to the death your right      | don't you you laugh"
to say it."  -Voltaire                   |   -A Clockwork Orange
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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: NJ Devils hockey tickets
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:51:56 GMT

NJ Devils Hockey tickets for sale:

Games currently available:

Jan 6th: North Stars

Jan 16th: NY Islanders

Seats are at the Byrne arena, right on the blue line and include a
parking pass.

Two seats: $60.00 for the pair, $3.00 shipping.

email me back at: cliffr@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com

cliff
From: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Kamensky's status
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:17:42 GMT
Reply-To: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-15519]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4


   What is the latest word on when Valery Kamensky is likely to return
to the Nordiques? How bad is the broken ankle? If it wasn't too bad, I
would guess he might return by Christmas, but if it's really bad, he 
might miss the whole season.
   Also, last year, he missed the 1st half of the season due to a 
broken leg. Is the broken ankle on the same leg, and is there any 
possibility that this might be a career threatening injury?

Bob
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From: vv1@dgp.toronto.edu (Marc J. Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Players who changed the sport
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:46:58 GMT

() writes:

>The Flyers dominated the NHL for 3 years, including 1975-76 when they lost
>to Montreal in the final, but who remembers that they did go 36-2-2 at the
>Spectrum that season.
Well, dominate is a pretty strong word for 1975-76, since the Habs had a
record of 58-11-11 that year.  That's 127 points, only 5 less than the record
of 132 that they set the following year...  They swept the Flyers in the
final, so if a team dominated, it was the Habs.  Not that I'm saying that the
Flyers weren't any good (especially Leach in the playoffs), but the Habs were
awesome!

Marc
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:40:30 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Lori is correct about Steigy

I didn't hear Paul Steigerwald's comments on Friday since State College
doesn't get KDKA tv, and the game wasn't on the radio because of a high
school playoff football game, but the announcers that covered it on ESPN
were pretty fair.
    During last night's Sabres-Penguins matchups, Paul Steigerwald still
showed his jealousy because in the 1st period, Steigy stated that a lot of
people said this and that about the WIngs really found themselves during the
8-0 win on Friday, but now look at them, they're down a quick 2-0 to Chicago
right away in Detroit.  True, but I wonder if Steigy knows that the Wings won
that game 5-4.  If that's not finding yourself, then what is?
    I'm surprised I've only seen one mention of Steve Yzerman's 400th goal.
That was probably one of the greatest, if not the greatest, goals I've ever
seen in my life.  I've been fortunate enough to see a lot of Mario's magic,
but Yzerman really had a great display of beauty in his 400th.  It was
an incredible goal!
** Rob **
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Irbe gets Sharks first ever shutout
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:33:35 GMT

In <1ecoclINN98n@network.ucsd.edu>, Isaac Kim writes:

>I never got to see the game (just heard it on the radio),
>but Artur Irbe got the Sharks first ever shutout tonight
>against the LA Kings 6-0.  Quite a turnaround from the 11-4
>beating he took from the Kings last week.  It sounded like
>the Sharks completely outplayed the Kings (although you are
>never sure with Nick Nixon doing the play-by-play.  A
>typical Nixon call would be Kurri (long pause) Sandstrom
>(long pause) SCORES!!!  You never know where the puck was
>during the last 5 seconds).

The shots on goal were even (39-39), but that doesn't begin to tell the story.
The Sharks were everywhere last night.  The Kings just couldn't set up for
many good opportunities.  And on those few occasions when they did have good
opportunities, Irbe rose to the occasion.

There was no stopping San Jose last night.  Their passing was as good as I've
ever seen it.  DePalma's pass to Falloon early in the 2nd was one of the best
plays I've ever seen from the Sharks.  That should make their '92-'93 highlight
video.  They had a couple of other good goals too.  The fourth goal, though,
was a gift from Kelly Hrudey.  Hrudey was behind the net trying to clear the
puck, and missed it.  Johan Garpenlov was right there for San Jose to pick up
the puck and beat Hrudey to the goal (Actually the puck went in after it was
deflected off Hrudey's skate).  That was one for the *bloopers* video.

One of the high points of the night was when the Sharks (dead last in penalty
killing at 69% going into the game) successfully killed off a 2-man advantage
which LA had for over a minute.  At the time I think the score was 3-0 in the
second.  The place went bonkers after the power play was over, and the Kings
looked like they were conceding defeat after it was over.

The Kings played the night before this game and looked tired.  Remember that
the Kings are little more than the '85 Oilers on Geritol.  They showed their
age last night, being completely lethargic in all aspects of their game.

>Anyways, congratulations to Irbe and thanks for keeping the
>Kings out of sole possession of first in the Smythe.  Looks
>like Kingston might have know what he was doing keeping Irbe
>in the game during the last shelling.

Kingston apparently wanted to restore Irbe's shaken confidence after the 11-4
loss last week.  It worked beyond anyone's wildest dreams.  Cool game!

Oh, and there was another cheap shot with the stick by McSorley.  Apparently,
he hasn't learned his lesson about cheap shots.  The videotape of the incident
should be directed to the league office.  Whatta jerk.  Even Paul Coffey got
into the cheap shot business last night--though just with the fists.  That was
more frustration than anything else.

Tim Irvin
**************************************************************************
"Dammit, Jim!  I'm a programmer, not a doctor!"
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Subject: Re: Mysterious Player
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:36:06 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <By1wyt.LnE@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak) writes:
> It seems that you are looking for Norm Maciver. Well, he is playing with
> the Ottawa now. He has 3 goals and 16 points with the expansion team, and
> is also the leading scorer in the team, too.....However, he is a -14 player.
               					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What do you expect, he's playing for what might be the worst team the NHL has
ever seen. Give the guy a break, he plays 30 minutes a game for a team that has
given up over 60 more goals than it has scored!

								Alan
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Tom Draper
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:36:46 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov16.154009.3064@ncsu.edu> bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY) writes:
>
>Is Draper with the Sabres or in Rochester?


Draper is with Buffalo, but is presently the third goaltender.  He
played two games for Buffalo this season, one at San Jose and the
second at Los Angeles.  Neither were televised in Buffalo, but John
Muckler put most of the blame on the Sabre defense rather than Draper.


>Thanks for any info,

No problem.




-- 
Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: JETS News: Rangers want a D? (was: trade rumours?)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:24:59 GMT

umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>
>Ed Olcyzk and one of the Jets premier defencemen (take your pick of: 
>Phil Housley, Teppo Numminen, or Fredrik Olausson).  In return, the 
>Jets would be getting up to 4 Rangers, which could include Winnipeg 
>native James Patrick, Doug Weight, or Kris King.

One caution on this is the the Rangers need a mobile defenceman with a
good shot *behind* Brian Leetch and James Patrick (they actually want
one who'll stand beside Patrick, at least).  Per Djoos has not filled
that bill and is down in Binghampton, and after demoting Peter Ander-
sson the Rangers have promoted Michael Hurlbut.  It's more likely that
they'll get rid of forwards than James Patrick (which is probably some
wishful thinking on the part of somebody in the Winnipeg media) -- but
don't count on any fast moves since the Rangers don't know what they
really want in a new D outside of mobility ... a good shot, or a good
defender?  They passed on Islanders' Tom Kurvers twice, supposedly due
to his ongoing salary arbitration that'll lead to high pay for a weak
defender but good power play man.  Phil Housley is the best all-around
Jet on that rumour list, but the price will be dear and they'll be left
with but two of the former Fab Four.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Jesus Saves!
> gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.EDU 		Gretzky gets the rebound -
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			he shoots, he scores!
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Messier vs. Nielson
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:10:57 GMT

Who's winning the Ranger Civil War...enquiring minds want to know.

It is sort of ironic that the two teams with the best talent and chances
to defeat the Penguins, the Rangers and the Red Wings, both have
notorious losers for coaches.  (Detroit could have promoted Melrose,
but Murray's ego got in the way.)

Neil Smith obviously won't consider Keenan, because Keenan would be
a threat to hima...and if he does trade for Kevin Lowe, he will only
double the complaints about Nielson's "I'm afraid of winning" style
of coaching, and his overcoaching.

Messier and Leetch, to be their best, need to attack...they need a
coach who willlet them do that.

Gerald 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wtm1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Tark McMains)
Subject: Cornell Hockey
Summary: Cornell Splits weekend openers
Keywords: ECAC, HOCKEY
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:04:00 GMT

Cornell opened the season defeating Princeton 5-4.  Although the Red never
got their passing together, they managed to pull through.  They did not come
out they way a team should for the opener.   Cornell was very flat in the first period.  Luckily they at least came out hitting in the second, and the game
continued to be very ruff throughout the third.  Cornell went into the
third trailing 4-3, but came up with two big goal to win it.

I missed the game on Saturday against Yale, but they lost 3-2.  I caught
the last period on the radio, and Cornell had the tying goal taken away on
a missed icing call and then a bad call to make up for it.  However, the Red
have not looked bright yet, and if they are to have any chance next weekend
against Clarkson and St. Lawrence they need to pick things up a notch.

Tark
Go Red!
Go Bruins!
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From: fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Maple Leafs 2-0
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:45:44 GMT


The Sharks looked really awful tonite. Irbe was great, but as Nelson said,
he didn't get much help. The Sharks were not hitting or checking very well,
and they had a few powerplays when they didnt even get a SHOT.
Two things I noticed:
- Pat Falloon wasn't checking. He seemed to be very intent on cherry picking
  to pick up an offensive rush, but more than once a leaf went close to him
  carrying the puck and Falloon didn't do more than look at him.
- Irbe either needs to handle the puck better, or to wander from the crease
  less. Even before the defense had collapsed, he was wandering out trying
  to make plays a defenseman should have handled. It almost cost him a goal
  in the third, but he scrambled back and made a great, sprawling save.
All in all, a pretty lousy game. If the Sharks play like this against the
Blackhawks on Saturday, it will be ugly.
- Frank
-- 
>Frank Giraffe- fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us - {apple,pacbell,ucbvax}!well!fgiraffe
>As the noose of narco-militarism tightens 'round our necks, we worry about
>  burning flags and pee in jars at work to keep our jobs.  -- Jello Biafra
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: JETS News: Lalor out, trade rumours?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:45:33 GMT

Jets defenceman Mike Lalor is expected to be out for six weeks with a broken
finger suffered in Minnesota a week ago.  

In the trade rumour department, rumours are circulating that a blockbuster
type trade might be in the works between the Jets and the New York Rangers.
This was fuelled by a visit to the Winnipeg Arena by Rangers GM Neil Smith
for a game between the Jets and the Edmonton Oilers.  The Jets involved are:
Ed Olcyzk and one of the Jets premier defencemen (take your pick of: Phil
Housley, Teppo Numminen, or Fredrik Olausson).  In return, the Jets would
be getting up to 4 Rangers, which could include Winnipeg native James Patrick,
Doug Weight, or Kris King.

Jets GM Mike Smith (no relation) denied the rumour, as did Jets owner,
Barry Shenkarow on a local radio call-in show.


Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
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From: fischman@nynexst.com (Gary Fischman)
Subject: Re: Bobby Holik
Reply-To: fischman@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:08:15 GMT

Holik was traded to the Devils for Sean Burke (remember him, he refused to play for
the Devils and it took over a year to unload him) and Eric Weinrich.  The Devils 
were BIG winners in that deal, IMHO.

---
	Gary J. Fischman
	NYNEX Science & Technology
	fischman@nynexst.com
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh is ahead of Buffalo
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:14:27 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <92319.192051RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>To all you wise ass Buffalo fans, swallow this!
>[...]

Hey guy, perhaps you should think before you post. This is the second
time in about a week. Not that I don't think your article had soooo
much important and well-written content...

George
-- 
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Dept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527
Rochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018
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From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: Re: FLYERS VS. RANGERS
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.024606.2920@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <92325.150511DMB144@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DMB144@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
You can cheap shot anybody you want if you're willing to back it up
>afterwards. Messier is.


WRONG!  You can cheap shot anyone you want if you're willing to let
everyone know what a jerk you are.  Other players get by with skill
as their weapon.

Fred
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: thc@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas H. Cormen)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Goalie equipment
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:43:20 GMT

In article <23913@galaxy.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:

   Also, anybody want to discuss goalie equipment they think is best?  I'm  
   especially interested in brands other than the biggies like Vaughn, Brown,  
   Cooper, etc. like Heaton, VIC, DR, etc.

I have Vaughn VPG2000 pads, the Legacy model, which I bought as soon
as they were available in 1989.  I really like 'em, but I had to
change the cheap nylon straps for good leather ones.  My blocker is
also a Vaughn, the B1000.  It works fine, although it doesn't have the
curved surface you see a lot these days.  My one other piece of Vaughn
equipment is the VP1000 chest & arm protector.  It's from 1988, and
they've made improvements to it since then, improvements that I
sometimes wish I had.

I used to have a Vaughn T1000 catch glove, which I upgraded to a
T1030, but I got a Heaton L2000 a couple of years ago.  It is one
awesome glove.  It's huge, lightweight, and has a gigantic trap.  I've
made several saves with it (some just deflections rather than clean
catches) that I never would have made with the Vaughn.  I checked out
the Vaughn T2000 when I was getting the Heaton.  It's a nice glove,
but I liked the Heaton better.

Tom Cormen
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Additional comments (was Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:29:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.060933.10864@access.usask.ca> (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
>From article <BxtKno.9rq.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico):

>Pardon! Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey did keep it in their pants or are they
>now charged with rape also? Note that from my perspective asking one woman
>back to your hotel room would pretty much indicate you were looking to have
>a good time, asking 4 women indicates a party. Have you never gone somewhere
>or done something to please your friends or help them. In this situation it
>is entirely possible that Errey and even Lemieux as well as say a number
>of the women were simply along for the ride so to speak.
>
>It's no wonder people have marital problems if every time your with a group
>of people with equal number of men and women it's automatically assumed you
>have to be pairing up.
>
>*If* Quinn actually raped this woman and *if* Lemieux,Tocchet or Errey had been
>able to stop it the only thing they have to be held accountable for is their
>innaction, their own fidelity(or lack there of) shouldn't be in question here.
>

Ok, so I forgot the smiley at the end of that phrase about the pants.  But
as for the "pairing up", in one of my earlier posts I reported on an interview
with one of the women with the Pens that night.  She said that the group split
into 2 groups of 4.  She and her friend with Tocchet and Errey, the alleged victim
and her friend with Lemieux and Quinn.

>> 
>> As for the alleged rape.  I'm in a grey area over this.  Not because of whose
>> involved, either.  I felt the same about the Tyson incident.  Alleged gang
>> rapes (such as the Ciccerelli incident and the current Bengals alleged gang
>> rape case) also leave me wondering.  (Yes, I know I've ripped on Dino, but
>> that because he's been a pervert all his life...Lemieux and Co. are new to
>> this. :-))
>
>Alleged gang rapes? From some reports there was no one else in the room. Who
>else has been charged? Some reports imply the police may not have enough
>evidence to even charge Quinn. How can we be assuming there was anyone else
>involved when we don't know if Quinn even did anything wrong.

Reread what I wrote.  I said the Ciccerelli and Bengals inicidents were alleged
gang rapes.  Not the Quinn incident.

>Well that's all I have a problem with, the rest of your article makes sense.

Gee, thanks.  Now my life can go on...

Lori