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From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: RISK!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:41:28 GMT

Anil shares the following beautiful thoughts:

> To laugh is to risk appearing a fool.
> To weep is to risk appearing sentimental.
> To reach out for another is to risk involvement.
> To expose feelings is to risk rejection.
> To place your dreams before the crowd is to risk ridicule.
> To love is to risk not being loved in return.
> To go forward in the face of overwhelming odds is to risk failure.

Then he went on say:

> But risks must be taken because the greatest hazard in life
> is to risk nothing. The person who risks nothing, has nothing,
> is nothing. He may avoid suffering and sorrow, but he cannot
> learn, feel, change, grow or love. Chained by his certitudes,
> he is a slave. He has forfeited his freedom. Only a person
> who takes risks is free."


Some comments:

	
	* May be it's not so accurate to say that "risks must be taken,"
	  because they are already there everywhere. If water is
	  surrounding us from all sides, what does it mean to say that
	  "water must be taken?"
	
	* Many wise people throughout the centuries have proclaimed:
	  a [individual] person in fact is nothing [period].
	  If that is true, then who takes risks?
	
	* Who learns? feels? changes? grows? or loves [or hates]?
	  Who really is this [person] that does all this?
	
	* To the last sentence: it has been said by many in many different
	  words that there is freedom only in total vulnerability [one is
          trying to find security in an inherently unsecure world].


Any comments? anyone?

---raj


[P.S. The words (although not exact perhaps) in the last *ed item above
      are JK's].
From: ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Premarital Sex - Is It OK?
Keywords: sex, marriage
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:33:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <1992Nov16.210157.3211@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
|> 
|> Just do it!
|> 
|> 
|> Rakesh Patel

And when you are done, please let us all know.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aruns@microsoft.com (Arun Sagar)
Subject: Passport replacement from Vancouver B.C
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:29:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

 Hi folks-
 I have a bit of a problem. I lost my passport over three years ago,
but never got around to getting it replaced. I would like to visit
India around christmas and I suspect I wouldn't be let in without a
passport :-( Since I live in Seattle, I called the San Francisco
consulate and their answering machine told me to send in a request
for an *application* by mail. Considering the overhead of snail-mail
and consulate bureaucracy, I'm afraid, I would not be able to obtain
the passport in time.
 Since SF is so far away, I cannot go there in person. However, I can
take a day off and visit the consulate in Vancouver B.C (Canada). So
my question is: Is it possible for an Indian citizen to obtain a new
passport from any Indian consulate?
 Any help would be very appreciated...

-aruns@microsoft.com
p.s. I will try calling the B.C. consulate tomorrow but I am afraid
that I would get an answering machine. Hence this posting anticipating
that eventuality.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pawarjm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jaisingh M. Pawar)
Subject: Looking for MASTI HYDER AGHA of Univ. of Cincinnati ...
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:06:48 GMT


Hey Masti,

If you read this posting, my new email address is :
jai@xsoft.xerox.com

--
Jai

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From: kodavar@ee.tamu.edu (Ravi Kodavarti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,tx.forsale,houston.forsale,tamu.forsale
Subject: HOUSTON-CALCUTTA TICKET FOR SALE ** GREAT DEAL ***
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:54:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tamu.edu

A Thai Airline Ticket from  HOUSTON-CALCUTTA  return is for sale. The 
journey dates are:

From Houston : Dec 17th 
Return from Calcutta : Jan 25th. 

Will cost : $1245.00  (by money order payable to person named below) 

Ticket will be sent in YOUR name by express mail.

For furthur information contact :

Srikant Kandhalam 
152 B Meadowland, 
College Station , TX 77840 

Ph: (409) 260-9987 
email: srikanth@cs.tamu.edu
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MOLCOM X, A TRUE REVOLUTIONIST.
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:25:02 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem) writes:
: In article <1443@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
: >Hay guys/gals, the movie "Molcom X" is getting released
: >tomorrow, and my suggestion to all is to take a 
: 
: 	No offense, but what about "Molcom" parts I thru IX ??

Without going into details, let me briefly state that its not
number "ten", but "Ex". Molcom Little wanted to shed his last
name, 'cze it showed to the world that he was "little"(to whites).
He changed his name to "Molcom Ex", symbolizing, Ex-smoker, Ex-drug
peddler, Ex-everything. For more details, either read his
autobiography(as told to Mr Healey OR watch Spike Lee's recent
movie)
: 
: 	Prem!

__SN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:14:38 GMT

In <1439@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:

>CURIOSITY KILLS THE CAT:----)
                        ^^^^^^

	Gosh, what a long nose you have, grandma!  :->


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:46:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.191

In article <1992Nov17.224438.1@opie.bgsu.edu> mkatyal@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>Could you please send me more information about human rights abuse in
>India and I'm just curious about why does the Amnesty Int. think that things 
>in India are worse than things in say China?
>	Manish

	That is simple.
	....Because the students/Tibetans/Taiwanese are not paying (ooops, 
	I mean funding, of course) Amnesty International.

	Prem!
 ==============================================================================
 ===    I want my damn rib back.                                            ===
 ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Sterotype views on Tamils
Keywords: Tamils
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:04:18 GMT

I am posting the following article as requested by Dr. Srinivasan

---------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Stereotype views on Tamils

Follow up to: soc.culture.tamil

Some private e-mail conversations indicate to me the following
stereotype views about Tamils.

> 1. Tamils prefer to be atheists, beat Hindu idols with Chappals.

Yes, these ideas were expressed by individuals. That only shows their
tolerance to ideas. The reality is TN probably has more percentage
of temple going people than any of the neighbouring states. It
certainly has more per capita temples than neighboring region.
No wonder most Hindu temples in the new world are initiatated by Tamils.

The only state government supporting Hindu Temple building activity
in the new world has been the DMK/ADMK led TN. The others including
the center hide under the 'secular' blanket. TTD aids provided the
temple is purely Venkateswara (no other main gods).

> 2. The TN governments are forcing Tamil worship in Temples.

Nothing can be further from reality. Methods of Tamil worship have
existed 100s of years before these governments and parties. In fact,
there are instances, of Tamil worship being banned and replaced
exclusively by Sanskrit worship. Now, trying to get OPTIONAL worship
in the language understood by people, is considered fanatism.
There is NO movement to ban worship in Sanskrit.

> 3. Tamils are fanatics.

One always finds more Tamils in non-Tamil cultural events than the
other way around. TN is the ONLY state in India where the study of
the state language is not compulsary. It has 15% minority of other
linguistic groups, who could maintain it for generations even in
deep interior. On the other hand, the minority Tamils in neighbouring
states are just in border areas, who ended up there while re-drawing
the state borders. One finds hardly any Tamils still left in the deep
interior.

I hope at least the highly educated people do not carry these views.
These views, quite possibly have been propagated by some Tamils
themselves, in an effort to enhance their personal image, as one of
the few nice people among a group of bad people.
Follow up to: soc.culture.tamil
--------------------------------------------------------------------
K. Srinivasan  at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Summary: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Keywords: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:04:12 GMT

RKP writes:
 
>A nation has no mind. An individual has. Your reference to a 
>certain set of people as blacks suggests that you are not free 
>of racial prejudices. Change your mentality first.  
 
It does seem pointless arguing whether a 'nation' has a mind or
not. Its ones definition here and the context in which it was
utilized in that was important.

Not a single person is free of 'racial prejudices'. Racial
prejudices are prejudices of a society. And we are what society
has made of us. There are only a handful of Buddhas and Christs.
And I do not think U or I are one one them.

As to why I used the term 'black'.

It does get easier in the communication process and as humans we
have always done it.  As humans we need to CLASSIFY which helps
simplyfy things. 

We call people black, white , brown and yellow. It is when we
believe prejudices of society which state that 'black + womyn
therefore maid' that we need to evaluate our prejudices.

Or like my good Brahmin friend says - 'lighter skin - therefore
kids like them better' that we need to evaluate our prejudices.

We only live in the cesspool we create. 
 
John Ainikkal 
I think - Therefore I am. 
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Passport replacement from Vancouver B.C
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:25:37 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Nov19.082901.29732@microsoft.com> aruns@microsoft.com (Arun Sagar) writes:
>
> Hi folks-
> I have a bit of a problem. I lost my passport over three years ago,
>but never got around to getting it replaced. I would like to visit
>India around christmas and I suspect I wouldn't be let in without a
>passport :-( Since I live in Seattle, I called the San Francisco

Man you should have got the passport replaced long back. You are indeed
very late for it now. For the purpose of getting a new passport, you'll
have to file a Police Complaint,  and then take a copy of the Report to
the Consulate. You would be well advized to file a police complaint NOW
tellling the police that you lost the passport recently. Then take this 
report and go to the Consulate PRONTO, or send it to them by mail.

>consulate and their answering machine told me to send in a request
>for an *application* by mail. Considering the overhead of snail-mail
>and consulate bureaucracy, I'm afraid, I would not be able to obtain
>the passport in time.

The Consulate at San Francisco is the most efficient of all  Consulates
in America. In fact the COnsulates of India are far more efficinet than
even the American Embassies abroad. I have personal experiences of this
but to come back to the issue, you should send in the Application form,
which you have to ask from the Consulate by Express Mail,  and you will
get the new Passport back within 5 working days.  In fact if you make a 
trip to the Consulate,  you will get the new passport the very next day 
itself.

> Since SF is so far away, I cannot go there in person. However, I can
>take a day off and visit the consulate in Vancouver B.C (Canada). So
>my question is: Is it possible for an Indian citizen to obtain a new
>passport from any Indian consulate?

Yes, it probably is possible. In fact it is. But you have got to take a 
copy of the Police Report with you to the Consulate.

>-aruns@microsoft.com

>p.s. I will try calling the B.C. consulate tomorrow but I am afraid
>that I would get an answering machine. Hence this posting anticipating
>that eventuality.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: udumudi@vanilla (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RECIPES!!!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 05:26:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: vanilla.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Juzer T. Kopti (kopti@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:

JTK>  first time writing.Since there are so many Indian students studying in the
JTK>  States, then why dont we share some easy to make Indian recipes instead 
JTK>  of doing useless things like sending personal flames over the system.


that would be useless too. because --

% ftp wpi.wpi.edu
Connected to wpi.WPI.EDU.
Name (wpi.wpi.edu:udumudi): anonymous
Password:
ftp> cd recipes
ftp> ls
indian.recipes.README
indian.recipes.ps.Z
indian.recipes.tex.Z
ftp> bye

						  -- srinivas
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,rec.music.indian.misc,rec.music.indian.classical,osu.indian,osu.music
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: **** LIVE: PANKAJ UDHAS, NIRMAL UDHAS, MANHAR UDHAS ****
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:48:18 GMT

What is your problem ? This is CLASSICAL. Please do not post 
this nonsense here.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
From: rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:42:03 GMT

In article <1ep103INNbts@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki) writes:
|> (Rajat Jain) writes:
|> 
|> >	no! we don't wanna do that......that would be stoopid. But hey,
|> >	don't you think women should grow up too and get actively involved
|> >	in subjects like sex, physical relationships etc instead of 
|> >	maintaining the "hiding in the closet" attitude ? I read soc.penpals,
|> >	soc.singles and even rec.humor....and there I see women actively
|> >	participating in such (serious AND humorous) discussions without
|> >	shying away (just cuz they are women !!!). They are discriminating
|> 
|> reminds me of an old engg. coll. hostel joke. well this is not the
|> original one and i don't want stoopid[tm] morAn's coming after me for
|> this. 
|> 
|> there are three kinds of people:
|> 	men
|> 	women and 
|> 	indian women.

	Hey reminds me of a joke too ;-)

	In Australia...

	 Men are men, 

	 Women are women,

	 and Sheep are scared ;-) ;-)

|> 
|> suresh
|> 

	rAjAt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: Nov 19 ---- National Integration Day.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:52:09 GMT

In article <atulpule.722200763@cunews> atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:
>In <1992Nov19.180321.8684@usl.edu> sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) writes:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>I wonder how many of us remember that today, Nov 19th,
>>is National Integration Day, back home in India.
>
>>And ironically, today is also the former Prime Minister 
>     ^^^^^^^^^^
>>Indira Gandhi's birthday.
>
>Nothing ironic about this. It's National Integration Day today
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>*because* it is Indira Gandhi's birth anniversary (after some person
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is dead, one uses the words birth anniversary instead of birthday).

I think the irony has been lost on you. What I meant to say was this ----
how ironic it is to observe the birth anniversary of a person
who followed a policy of "Divide and Rule", and who  didn't hesitate
to set up one individual against another, one community against another,
one religion against another and one state against another, as National 
Integration Day!

[deleted]
>

And thanks for pointing out that the correct term to use in this
context is "birth anniversary" and not "birthday".

>Ajit.
> 
>-----------------------------------------------
>Ajit Tulpule
>

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: (For Uma) Re: Excluding men (From rAjAt.)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:25:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.044443.24518@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov21.181722.11011@risky.ecs.umass.edu> rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov20.043554.11406@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> does the indian-women mailing list mean that the sci football field is now
|> >|> safe for the rampaging MCPs and their jokes...  I got a couple of MCP jokes,
|> >|> but held back seeing that the ladies onthe net dont like it at all...
|> >
|> >	Hey.....come on dooode, there ain't no more ladies on SCI now!
|> >
|> >	Post those jokes !!!!
|> 
|> Actually, when did the presence or absence of "ladies" stop the
|> fourteen-year-olds on SCI -- fascinated, yet scred out of their
|> minds by their nascent sexuality -- from posting MCP jokes and
|> gifs? Go ahead, Mr. Udayabhaskar, post those jokes, and,
|> you Mr. Jain, post some more gifs. If you're not old enough
|> to have the real thing and if you're as dumb as you seem to
|> be, you can at least drool on your terminal. Sounds fair
|> to me.

	Uma: I am really sorry for alllll that (I really am) !
	If I had *any* idea that women were still following SCI,
	then believe me, I would NOT have asked S.U.B.Sarma to
	post those <MCP> jokes and I wouldn't have posted those
	gifs (?? actually they were ASCII....but that's beside
	the point). I *did* believe that allll the women had already
	left SCI and that only us men (pigs, if you prefer) were
	left here for discussion (or oinking, if you prefer).

	I apologize for showing such insensitivity and hopefully
	my brain will transmit better signals in future (knowing
	that there are still some women out here on SCI). See, this
	is what I meant in my posts on the "mailing list of women,
	without men"........I assumed all women were gone....(and maybe
	a lot of guys on SCI are under the same "misconception" !!!)

	Regards,

	rAjAt.

PS: I hope you don't think this is meant to be sarcastic, because I *am*
    serious (upto you to believe it or not). Plus I am posting this on
    SCI (instead of replying to you directly) because my ego doesn't
    get hurt by apologizing for something which was wrong on my part.


|> 
|> >|> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
|> >|> (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
|> >|> 
|> >	eagerly awaiting,
|> >
|> >		rAjAt 
|> 
|> Uma Subramanian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:35:51 GMT

gupta@cse.uta.edu (Arun Gupta) writes:

>    There has been several articles on the above topic recently. Let me put in
>my 2 cents worth: I feel that tipping and bribes are one and the same thing. If

As a CUSTOMARY act, yes, they are the same -- for example, a bribe
can be given or expected before or after the sought after outcome
and in many places (for eg. India, 3rd world) has become a way of
life in many spheres of activity.  It has become a practice followed
as a matter of course or habit.  A tip is also a customary act.

But there are some subtle differences...

>one needs something done, one bribes; if one needs good service, one tips.
>However the difference is that one pays the bribe before the job and one tips
>after the service (the server is not sure if the bribe will be offered after
>the service is performed).

Actually the time factor serves to confuse the issue.  Everyone (I
hope) knows that a tip is expected as a matter of course in a
restaurant but there may be room for doubt as to the exact sum
before the event.  But the distinction does not rest on time, as a
bribe materialize later (hold this thought).   

A difference arises from how much a CUSTOMARY act deviates from
being a NORM.  Remember a norm is usually a standard or `normal'
behavior.  In that respect, a bribe has negative attributes (by
definition) and is not considered a `norm.'  However, a tip is both
a customary practice and accepted as a norm by most people.  Now if
the majority of Indians (or for that matter others) were to take
this and turn it into an unacceptable (to the group) practice, the
customary practice would soon turn into (in the eyes of the
group/society) extortion.

Back to the thought on bribes not materializing; power is an
important determinant of this: if there is a power shift, a bribe
may reverse it's direction -- this aspect is yet another distinction
from being a tip but not a very strong one (as there's a tautology
involved bribe=money, tip=money, power may/may not = money).

>    Comments anyone?

Good stuff...

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From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:17:39 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
: 
: 	DO YOU STILL HAVE IT?

Dey Saaab, no offence is intended, either to you or to anyone.
	 When you loose IT(THEM) from your head, please feel free
	 to contact me; I will certainly spare some to you.
: 
: 	JUST CURIOUS

CURIOSITY KILLS THE CAT:----)
:  
: >: disclaimer: opinions are mine only.
: >  disclaimer: ---DITTO-------------
: >: 
: >: 
: >: 
: >: 
: >: --
: 
: Nishit 
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