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From: tmb@arolla.idiap.ch (Thomas M. Breuel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Chording, again, sorry ...
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:29:42 GMT
Reply-To: tmb@idiap.ch
Organization: IDIAP (Institut Dalle Molle d'Intelligence Artificielle
	Perceptive)
In-reply-to: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of 31 Aug 92 16:17:29 GMT

In article <112160037@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes:

   Not me.  I'm curious about chording, and one day I will try it out
   to see how it stacks up against other methods.  I still remember how painful 
   it was to learn QWERTY.  You all forget too easily what a pain QWERTY really 
   is, *and* where it came from.  QWERTY was designed to keep manual typewriter 
   hammers from jamming.  Its designers intentionally made it slow and 
   inefficient.

That statement is true, in some sense, but probably not very relevant
since QWERTY was also not designed for touch typing but for
hunt-and-peck. What makes hunt-and-peck slow doesn't necessarily make
touch typing slow.

   You/I/we have only become proficient at it through practice.
   Key-input alternatives such as chording and Dvorak provide a
   release from the QWERTY straitjacket, and with enough practice you
   can become proficient at them, too.

I believe the difference between QWERTY and Dvorak is relatively minor
(a few percent) in practice. It is almost certainly not worth the
effort of converting. Furthermore, different languages have different
letter frequencies and bigram statistics, so that a Dvorak design
would lead to even more diversity among keyboards than there already
is.

					Thomas.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: 95LX Problems Galore
Date: 25 Aug 1992 17:46:51 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Aug24.203002.24859@riogrande.cs.tcu.edu> panizo@guadalupe.cs.tcu.edu (Maria Panizo) writes:
>Since I'm considering buying a 1mb PCMIA card, would formatting a card as a
>startup volume and CTRL-ALT-DEL with the card installed bring me back to life?

Almost...you'd need to format it, and then put an empty AUTOEXEC.BAT and
CONFIG.SYS on it.  Then a reboot gets you going again; the first thing I'd do
is fix whichever of those two files on C: is corrupted. Also, make sure that
the drive letters in C:\_DAT\APNAME.LST are upper case, as lower case has been
known to cause trouble.

>And I found the card locally (the real HP flavor) for $439 US.  Is that near
>what you guys would pay for one these days?

I think that that's not too far above the going price for the HP card, but
there are a few aftermarket cards that work just fine for less. Call EduCalc
at (800) 677-8001. For about $20, they'll even ship next day FedEx.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow)
Subject: Re: Reassigning HP95LX's application keys...
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:49:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.215212.24938@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.201752.735@unixg.ubc.ca> george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow) writes:
|> >Howdy,
|> >  Is it possible to rearrange the mapping between the application key and
|> >the built-in applications? Since I seldom ever use the Filer but rather
|> >check on my Setup, I want to flip the mapping so that the Filer key starts
|> >up Setup and the shifted-Filer key starts the Filer. Is this possible? 
|> >I know about the APNAME.LST file but how do I reference the built-in
|> >applications?
|> 
|> Should be pretty easy in theory. Snag the keyboard servicing interrupt and
|> check for the key combination you want, do what you have to then branch back
|>  into the polling routine at the appropriate point(Isn't this 21H or something?)
|> 
|> Alternatively, diddle with the jump table that contains the vectors for
|> processing those keycodes and point them towards your code. Again, make
|> SURE you jump back to the right point when you're done..

I'm well aware of the possibilities with the keyboard interrupts et al. What I'm
looking for is actually a Quick and Dirty (tm) way of doing this. I thought that
since the System Manager could be accessed as $SYSMGR, maybe there's a name that
I can referenced Setup and Filer by and use the APNAME.LST facility to remap the
key easily. 

|>  There is a list of keycodes on 
|> eddie I believe. Also, the MEMUTIL and APLISTER programs on eddie have
|> 95 keycode tables built into them as well as a function that will give you
|> the hex value returned by a particular keypress.

I'm aware of this list.

|> Somebody who's better with Intel or Intel-like chip sets could probably 
|> give you a better idea of whats involved, but thats the conceptual
|> approach I'd take.
|> 
|> ---Steve 
|> -- 
|> Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
|> "You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
|> personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
|> to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"

George
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Reassigning HP95LX's application keys...
Date: 3 Sep 1992 03:59:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

Can't this be done by changing apname.txt?

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"
From: gingell@aurs01.UUCP (Mike Gingell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: List of Holidays
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: gingell@aurw6b.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Mike Gingell)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <26830007@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> eugene@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Gene Dick) writes:
>
>Just so you have the right dates:
>
>    10/31/93	Daylight Savings Time ends; clocks move back (Last Sunday in October)

- but 10/31 is a Saturday - if the rule is really the Last Sunday in October
  then it should be 10/25/91.


Mike Gingell, Alcatel, Raleigh, NC USA  (919) 850-6444
UUCP:       ...!mcnc!aurgate!aurfs1!gingell
Internet:   gingell%aurfs1%aurgate@mcnc.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: trevorc@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: List of Holidays
Organization: Nuclear Medicine, U. Western Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:09:55 GMT

In article <61116@aurs01.UUCP>, gingell@aurs01.UUCP (Mike Gingell) writes:
> In article <26830007@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> eugene@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Gene Dick) writes:
>>
>>Just so you have the right dates:
>>
>>    10/31/93	Daylight Savings Time ends; clocks move back (Last Sunday in October)
> 
> - but 10/31 is a Saturday - if the rule is really the Last Sunday in October
>   then it should be 10/25/91.

I guess that is true, yet not true!  The actual time change is normally 
scheduled to take place in the early hours of the morning (01:00 or 02:00?)
so that although it may be Sat night it is really Sun morning. So the date
when you will change your clock is on the Saturday yet the "Last
Sunday in Oct" remains correct when looked at in that perspective.
-- 

Trevor Cradduck,                |  Voice: (519) 667-6574     
Department of Nuclear Medicine, |  FAX: (519) 667-6734
Victoria Hospital,              |  
University of Western Ontario,  |  E-mail: cradduck@uwo.ca
LONDON,  Ontario,               |  
Canada,  N6A 4G5                |  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow)
Subject: Reassigning HP95LX's application keys...
Originator: george@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:17:52 GMT

Howdy,
  Is it possible to rearrange the mapping between the application key and
the built-in applications? Since I seldom ever use the Filer but rather
check on my Setup, I want to flip the mapping so that the Filer key starts
up Setup and the shifted-Filer key starts the Filer. Is this possible? 
I know about the APNAME.LST file but how do I reference the built-in
applications?

George
From: tim@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Psion Series 3 programs
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:31:41 GMT
Reply-To: tim@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

Does any one have anything interesting to give away.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: fin@unet.umn.edu (Craig A. Finseth)
Subject: Re: Reassigning HP95LX's application keys...
Organization: University of Minnesota, Networking Services.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:50:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.215212.24938@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.201752.735@unixg.ubc.ca> george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow) writes:
|> >Howdy,
|> >  Is it possible to rearrange the mapping between the application key and
|> >the built-in applications? Since I seldom ever use the Filer but rather
|> >check on my Setup, I want to flip the mapping so that the Filer key starts
|> >up Setup and the shifted-Filer key starts the Filer. Is this possible? 
|> >I know about the APNAME.LST file but how do I reference the built-in
|> >applications?
	...
|>  There is a list of keycodes on 
|> eddie I believe. Also, the MEMUTIL and APLISTER programs on eddie have
|> 95 keycode tables built into them as well as a function that will give you
|> the hex value returned by a particular keypress.

While these methods would work, you might also consider poking
directly into the "hot key" entries in the system manager's task
table.  The code to MemUtil will tell you how to _read_ values, and
writing them should be obvious.

I have no idea whether this will work, but some intrepid soul with a
backed-up 95 may want to try this...

Craig A. Finseth			fin@unet.umn.edu [CAF13]
Networking Services			+1 612 624 3375 desk
Computer and Information Services	+1 612 625 0006 problems
University of Minnesota			+1 612 626 1002 fax
130 Lind Hall, 207 Church St SE
Minneapolis MN 55455-0134, USA

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: chua@phage.cshl.org (Victor Chua in Krainer Lab - CSHL)
Subject: Re: File recovery on HP 95LX
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:22:23 GMT

falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:

>In article <1992Aug7.043003.23371@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> fritzj@gauss.ecn.purdue.edu (Fritz Friedlaender) writes:
>>
>>Buy a 1MB SRAM memory card (it may be cheaper than the disk drive, and
>>takes up no extra space)...

>Which brings us to the question: where's a good place to get a 1M sram
>card?  Fry's wants $700 for the HP card, which is twice what I paid
>for my HP.

>For that matter, how much are e-prom cards nowadays and where's a
>good place to get them?

>P.s. I saw 4M sram cards and 16M dram cards at a recent trade show.
>Also saw a fax modem and an ethernet card.  Awesome!

>		-ed falk, sun microsystems
>		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
>	terrorist, cryptography, DES, drugs, cipher, secret, decode,
>	DSS, FBI, NSA, CIA, NRO, SDI, communist, proletariat

Tote-a-lap, 1-800-9LAPTOP, charges about $180 for a 1MB RAM card
I have been using mine for about a month without any problems

Victor Chua
chua@cshl.org       .
-- 
Victor Chua
chua@cshl.org
vwtc1@phx.cam.ac.uk
From: tmal@cl.cam.ac.uk (Mark Lomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Sony PTC-300 PalmTop
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:23:50 GMT
Reply-To: tmal@cl.cam.ac.uk (Mark Lomas)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

I would like to find some details of the Sony PTC-300 PalmTop computer.  This
is a handheld device operated with a pen rather than by typing on a keyboard;
it was designed for the Japanese market and carries out handwriting recognition
for a combination of Japanese and European text.

Please could somebody explain the facilities of this machine; in particular
I'd like to know how it differs from the PTC-100 that I have already used.

What similar products are available from other manufacturers.  n.b. I am
looking for a machine on which to practice writing in both Hiragana and
Katakana.

I'd also like to find a shop that can supply machines such as this by mail
order since it is not to my knowledge available in this country.

	Mark Lomas (tmal@cl.cam.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: hudgins@sklib.usask.ca
Subject: CNNS sci-tech report (laptop batteries)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:43:54 GMT

This is in reply to a posting by:

cloos@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (James H. Cloos Jr.)

> I caught the video but nothe audio of the story on what seemed
> to be a revolutionary (well, evolutionary at any rate) battery
> that will has an energy density high enough to allow significantly
> better laptop computers--and palmtops as well, I would hope.

The program was rebroadcast Sunday Aug 30 at 10:30 a.m CST, and here is a
semi-transcription/summary (done with a pause button and an HP95LX).


The Zinc-Air Battery:

The new Zinc-Air battery developed by AER Energy Resources of Atlanta
provides eight hours of laptop operation from four batteries, weighing
1.5 lbs, as opposed to 5 lbs of current Nicad batteries. The company
plans to begin marketing the battery pack this fall.  Mark Schimpf says
"we have the advantage that one of the raw materials is oxygen from
the air, and we don't have to carry that around. ... Zinc is a metal that
has a very high specific energy and is very light in weight." The company
says its battery pack can run a laptop up to 20 hours on a single charge.
Zinc-air batteries are currently used in hearing aids, but are not
rechargeable.  They discharge slowly.  The new rechargeable version
consists of zinc, oxygen and an electrolyte.  The zinc and air react
through the electrolyte to power the equipment, and the charging process
reverses this process inside the battery.  The company hopes that the
lighter battery may lead designers to improve equipment: to add features
like colour screens and faster processors that are power-hungry.  It also
plans to adapt the batteries to other consumer products like camcorders
and cellular phones.
---------

Bill Hudgins
Systems Librarian: University of Saskatchewan Libraries
Hudgins@sklib.usask.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Questions about Atari Portfolio
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:52:56 GMT

Greetings, all!  I recently purchased a second-hand Atari Portfolio, with
serial and parallel port modules and a 128k RAM card.  I have some questions
I'm hoping people will be able to answer.  (Though from reading this echo it
seems very few of you are Portfolio users.   I myself am planning to upgrade to
a ZEOS palmtop by sometime next year, when I have more money, but the Portfolio
will have to do for now.  At $150 for the unit and the above-mentioned add-ons,
it was a decent deal.)

Questions:

1. I have the software for the desktop-PC to transfer files via the Portfolio's
built-in transfer program, but it uses the parallel port and I don't have the
proper cable.  What sort of cable do I need?  Is there any kind of standard for
this "null parallel" cable?

2. Is the card drive PCMCIA compatible?

3. What is a good, small BASIC to run on the Portfolio?

4. What is a good telecom program to run on the Portfolio?

5. Can NiCad rechargeable batteries be used?  They have a lower voltage than
normal AAs.

6.  Why is the external power supply input 6 volts when the batteries only
provide 4.5?  (just curious.  I bought a generic multi-ouput power supply and
it works great.)

Thanks for your help!

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From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: PC compatable palmtops
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:12:34 GMT
	<1992Aug25.010929.8575@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: cable@crs.cl.msu.edu's message of 25 Aug 92 01:09:29 GMT

>>>>> On 25 Aug 92 01:09:29 GMT, cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable) said:
Dan> carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth) writes:

Dan> >Are there any other PC compatable palmtops than the 95LX?
Dan> >Keywords:

Dan> Yes there is. Atari's Portfolio which is not only considerably
Dan> less expensive, but much prettier too!

There are also Poqet and Sharp PC-3000 & PC-3100.
--
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp.  				    
350 Legget Drive, Kanata
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3
From: plav@cup.portal.com (Rick M Plavnicky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: CPACK and OS/2
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 20:43:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis) writes:

>Has anyone had any luck loading and using the connectivity pack
>(specifically, DC95) under a DOS session or image in OS/2 2.0?
>
>I can't seem to get my PC to recognize the HP.

I simply brought up a full-screen DOS session with all parms left to
their default values, changed to the directory with the connectivity
pack software, and started APP95.EXE.  Seemed pretty much normal to
me, but I didn't really beat on it or anything.

Later on I filled out a program template for it and this time I took
away all of the session's EMS and XMS memory (I don't think APP95
needs it - that true?) and backed up the 95LX using Filer.  Other than
two instances where I got the "Remote Connection Broken" message from
APP95, the backup went fine.  There's probably an OS/2 DOS session
parm to diddle for that; if I find it I'll post.

I haven't tried DC95 yet but I suspect it won't work.  Didn't we hear
a while back how DC95 is an extremely poorly behaved program?  I was
never able to get it to run it under Windows (3.0 or 3.1), no matter
what, while APP95, for example, (slowly) ran fine.

/* Rick Plavnicky   plav@cup.portal.com */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: ZEOS vs. Sharp
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:59:39 GMT

I recently purchased a second-hand Atari Portfolio, but am planning to upgrade
to a more powerful machine by early next year.  The ad for the ZEOS Palmtop in
PC Computing made it sound very impressive, the best I'd seen so far and for
only $600 brand-new.  But I've seen references in the message area to some
palmtops produced by Sharp, the PC-3000 and PC-3100 (?) or something like that. 
Could someone describe how Sharp's machines stack up against the ZEOS PC?  Be
sure to mention the price.  (I know that the ZEOS isn't shipping yet, and if
you haven't read the ZEOS ad, then a simple run-down on the capabilities of the
Sharp PCs would be fine.)

Thanks!

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      / /         | |  _  _   _  |  \       ________    ______   _______
     /  \         | | |_||_| / / |   \     |________|  |____  | |_______|
    / /\ \   _____| |   ____/ /  | |\ \     ________       / /
   /_/  \_\ |_______|  |_____/   |_| \/    |________|     /_/

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        |      Hey, man, I _like_ Robotech.  So sue me.      |
        | Sukotto Miraa/Scott Miller (ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu) |

From: slin@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Sabrina Lin)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:21:04 GMT
Subject: Fax/modem for the 95LX
Organization: HP Application Support Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

Any recommendations for FAX/modem for the 95LX.  I read about
the PalmModem/PalmFax product.  Does anyone know about this
product?

Thanks in advance.

Sabrina Lin
slin@hpasdd.mayfield.hp.com
From: gr1c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Greg Howard Rhodes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Chording, again, sorry...
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:11:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Qea5BFi00WB8ACCE9Y
Organization: Junior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi. I wonder if some kind person would e-mail me the chording alphabet
that was posted here about a month or two ago...? Thanks

Greg Rhodes
gr1c@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: bobfa@ecs.comm.mot.com (Bob Fairbairn)
Subject: HP59LX (512K) for Sale $300
Organization: Motorola, LMPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:00:44 GMT

I have a used HP95LX 512K model for sale.  Asking $300.

Also HP 128K SRAM card $100  

PCMCIA card drive from Pamco  $125.  This drive hooks to the printer port
of a PC.  Includes driver software and cable.

All prices include shipping in USA.  Please reply via email to

bobfa@ecs.comm.mot.com
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Re: Chording, again, sorry ...
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:17:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> - : I wonder how many other non-customers-for-life you've created?
> - me!  me!!  I'm one!!!  I'm a non-customer-for-life too!!!!
> I hate to say it, but I'm a non-customer for life too.  

Not me.  I'm curious about chording, and one day I will try it out
to see how it stacks up against other methods.  I still remember how painful 
it was to learn QWERTY.  You all forget too easily what a pain QWERTY really 
is, *and* where it came from.  QWERTY was designed to keep manual typewriter 
hammers from jamming.  Its designers intentionally made it slow and 
inefficient.  You/I/we have only become proficient at it through practice.
Key-input alternatives such as chording and Dvorak provide a release from the 
QWERTY straitjacket, and with enough practice you can become proficient at 
them, too.

Some of you (not me!) have attacked Jon Allen personally, accusing him of 
various undesirable personality traits and motives.  Steve Jobs and Bill 
Gates are jerks too, y'know, and have proven it from podiums around the 
world.  You still rush out to buy Apple and Microsoft products, don't 
you?  (Be honest!)

Hey, if someone were publishing excerpts of my book over the internet, I'd
get a little excited too, you know?  Considering the history of the 
MicroWriting (R) (C) (TM) (XYZ) (ETC) discussions of late, I can see why Mr. 
Allen would overreact somewhat upon reading the basenote to this discussion.
He was engaging in sound business practice:  his response was direct and 
unambiguous, which is the legally required minimum in a case such as this.  
Cut the man a little slack.



Regards
Ray Depew
still a potential customer
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com

Disclaimer:  I don't speak for HP.  In fact, HP is probably a competitor of
  Mr. Allen's client.  (Shut up, Wesley.)