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Subject: Re: Sheep noises again
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:05:29 +0000







In article <C1945J.Ax5@dcs.ed.ac.uk> gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair) writes:

>As for not being in Europe this season, well that is thanks to a certain Alex S
m
iff
>(who led Clyde to defeat against Celtic). Aberdeen have been in Europe every ye
a
r
>since the Premier League started up until this season so I think that sums up
>Smiffy's performance.

Minor correction, Aberdeen didn't qualify in 1975-6, the first season of the
Premier League, when they finished 7th and avoided relegation on goal
difference.

> Hopefully Willie Miller can continue his successful run and
>give us back a team which can emulate the "Team Of The Decade" in the eighties 
i
n
>which Willie played such an important part.

>I cannot believe all the blue noses out there who think the sheep are crap whil
s
t
>Aberdeen are the only team that are giving the huns any sort of competition for

the
>championship (as we did 2 seasons ago.)

From what I saw in the Skol Cup Final, Aberdeen can compete with Rangers as
long as Rangers lie back and let them run at them, once Rangers put their
foot on the pedal it's a different story.

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From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The 'great' Milan?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:43:48 GMT
Reply-To: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

In article <1993Jan22.100234.3738@fwi.uva.nl>, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl
(Mischa Bronstring) writes:
> These days all the newspapers and soccer-magazines talk (or rather write)
> about the so 'fantastic' AC Milan. If you look at their numerical
performances,
> 29 points out of 16 matches, that seems to be true. But, have you been
watching
> some complete Milan-matches this season? They are not that strong on
the field!

Have YOU been watching the other teams either in Italy or Europe?? ...

> Not like in '89, when they played about the whole match on the half of the
> opponent. Nowadays they're somewhat lucky to score many goals out of not so
> many chances... For example the match against Sampdoria recently:

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think you definitely DO NOT watch Milan games: last
sunday, against
		Brescia, they had at least 5 clear opportunities, which they missed,
		plus a regular point which was not awarded by the referee. You can say
		they were playing 11-10, but that's another story (see Roma-Milan 0-1)

> Sampdoria far out the best team, but Milan scores twice and Sampdoria once.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now I think you're getting pretty
ridicolous! They
				  had two opportunities in the first minutes (which
				  they, as of their 'technical ability', missed pretty
				  poorly) and THAT'S IT!

> 
> Strange thing... Don't think they'll loose a single game this year, though!

  ^^^^^^^ For whoever DOESN'T WATCH Milan games ... Sooner or later they
will loose a
	  game, so somebody will stop (maybe) thinking about changing the rules
just to
	  limit Milan power ...

> 
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From: roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Average
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:24:12 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC

In article <9301140203.AA15325@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>The idea of the Media Inglese (English Average) makes sense in 
>World Cup qualifying play, for instance, when teams have different
>number of home and away games. In Italy, though it is interesting as
>it further illustrates Milan's dominance, it does not say much more than
>the points themselves, because the teams alternate each week playing
>home and away.  So 15 weeks into the season, each team has either 7
>or 8 home games, and after this Sunday everyone will have 8 home games.

Please, don't make such a statement if you don't know perfectly the
Italian League. Yes, after 16 weeks, *this year*, every team has 8 
home games and 8 away games, but after 18 weeks, for example Lazio
will be 10-8 while Roma (obviously) will be 8-10. 

This happens very frequently, this is why the "Media Inglese" is the
most important stat to really understand what's going on. For another
example, Inter and Verona were tied at the top of the league after 16
weeks in 1984-85, but, thanks to the MI, everybody knew that Inter
standings were fake. In fact, Verona proceeded to win quite easily its
first championship.

In serie B, in 1980-81, it also happened a three game difference between
home and away games. However, that was the exception of the rule.

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From: gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:57:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1993Jan20.200857.2952@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> 
> 
> Does anyone out there read fanzines?
> which ones? 
>  
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I used to read "The Northern Light" which had hilariously abusive articles which
 basically took the piss out of the AFC directors board (Dick Donald & Co.). Bobby
 Conner was often the victim and there was a cartoon strip in every issue titled
 "Bobby's Blouse".

Celtic and Rangers were always slagged off aswell ofcourse but I don't think there
will ever be a fanzine which took the piss out of it's home club more than "The
Northern Light".
It is no longer in circulation however. I'll just read the "Daily Record" instead as
it slags off the Reds all the time.

Garry.
From: nydec@westminster.ac.uk (Charles Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sheffield United
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:43:53 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster

I would just like to leave this little note to point out that Sheffield
United are going to get stuffed when we play them in the fifth round
of the F.A.Cup. 

	That is all I want to say!

		Bye!

 Sorry this isn't a discussion but there is nothing to discuss. Plain and
simple!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: khans@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (sanjay.a.khan)
Subject: World Cup Finals, 1966
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:54:26 GMT

Who scored the three  goals in England's win over Germany  
in the WC final of 1966. Pl. email response to:

skhan@mhcnet.att.com

or post in this newsgroup.

Thank you.

Sanjay (Khan)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Subject: Re: FANZines
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:05:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.200857.2952@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>
>
>Does anyone out there read fanzines?
>which ones? 
> 

I read the Gooner; oneof the Arsenal fanzines.
Why do you ask?

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From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Piechnik?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:06:21 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

In article <C17AF5.MIE@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dibble) writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.151756.15866@syma.sussex.ac.uk> pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine) writes:
>>
>> My spelling may be wrong here, but we all know the player: Piechnik for
>>Liverpool. From what I've seen of him so far he looks a complete donkey.
>>However, remember the European Championships 1992: he handled Marco van
>>Basten very well. Can anyone tell us any more about this player?
>>Paul.
>>
>Well.....either it's his twin Donkey playing for Liverpool or he was ill
>when he played against Holland. I've heard him and Borygnaby (SP) called
>Torvill and Dean!!!!! *8-)
>Dibble
>
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I think you'll find the Liverpool team is just like a box of Milk Tray
- Full of soft centres.

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From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: #############  UK fans, PLEASE GO!  ###############
Keywords: new.newsgroup
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:20:00 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <1993Jan21.010042.6383@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla) writes:
> 
> dear english (scotish/irish/ect) fans please form your own group
> (rec.soccer.england, rec.soccer.british, rec.soccer.whatever) and
> make things easier for the rest of us.  there's no need for splitting
> the existing group!!  ...just leave, the rest will be Ok!
> 
> 

Actually, there is an easier solution to this problem.  If you look
at all the message, you see three different kind of postings:

1. Results (certainly of interest for every soccer fan)
2. Questions about Players, Teams (of interest for most readers)
3. "My beloved ..." crap.  This is mostly from the UK, and this is
   what seems to annoy everyone of us.

The solution for problem #3 is to keep this messages in Britain a/o
Europe.  To do so, just enter "britain" or "uk" or "europe" as the
distribution target instead of "world", and the problem should be
solved (at least for the Americans).

Veit
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: RE:Oceania player of 92.
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:16:42 GMT

In article <1jl2rdINNilc@sunaus.Aus.Sun.COM>, peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles) writes:
> I am not aware of Wynton Rufer's exploits,

Which, of course, makes you highly qualified to comment on them.

> my only recollection of him, is as an overrated  player when ever he played 
> for NZ against the Socceroos.

Yep - so overrated he has been playing in Europe since the 1982 World Cup
finals.

> There is nothing special about any performance I have seen him play 
> internationally, though I must admit I have not seen a lot of him.

Hah - by your own admission you've seen him play about two games, that's a good
basis to judge a player!! 

Alan
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:12:06 -0500 
From: Saverio Cittadini <sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: NEVER SAY GOAL (AGAIN)


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Subject: NEVER SAY GOAL (AGAIN)
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I forgot to mention that the WORST GOAL OF THE SEASON (up to now) was
chosen. It was De Agostini's goal that allowed Inter to equalize the
"derby" vs. Milan: a not-so-terrific long distance shot, with the
ball slipping incredibly out of Antonioli's hands, bouncing onto
his face, and then rolling into the goal despite a clumsy attempt of
the goalie to stop it...

 Bye,
  Saverio

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From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Origin of Girondins de Bordeaux
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:59:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <9301281353.AA18120@teg.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
>Well, Girondins are one of the oldest clubs in France (formed in 1881, even
>if football wasn't part of the club by then), so the name has nothing to do
>with the current economy of French clubs...

Yes, the name means "team that loses titles to Marseille at the end of the
season."  :-)

>As I have been told by fellow fans in Bordeaux the name is due to two facts:
>A. To honour "Girondins", one of the parties during the French revolution.

Actually, the party was the "Girondistes" so I don't think that it was to
honour them.

>B. The district Gironde where Bordeaux is the capital.

...and the river Gironde also.

>Kent

John

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From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: McLEAN vs MURRAY
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:33:58 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan25.132135.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.125247.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes> 
> 
> 	Well the point is that the story was broken on Friday night after
> it had been leaked to STV and David Murray was merely confirming what had 
> been on STV the night before.  I don't see anything wrong with this and the 
> concern should be how the story managed to get out in the first place.  Rangers
> always conduct their transfers in the proper manner and the first anyone 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Have you read this morning's paper...a beginner's guide to "tapping" other
team's players by Richard Gough !!!!!

Murray has obviously authorised Gough to go ahead and undermine McLean and
Dundee Utd. I wonder what the SFA will do about this ????? Bugger all probably.


> hears about a transfer is when the player signs, not before.  Also, failed 
> transfer bids rarely make the news.                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What about Rangers bids for Mathaeus or Durie  !!!!!!                

>              


-: In The End :-

A.
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic Fans' Loyalty (was Ranger`s fans)
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:33:28 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1795@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>, apc@getafix (Andy P Clarke) writes:
> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan19.185601.2897@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>> >
>> >the celtic v new zealand friendly last season was free entry, only 7300 turned
>> >up, which out of a capacity of 40000 odd is pathetic. 
>> 
> 
> Out of interest, what was the score when Celtic played New Zealand last
> season?  I have heard a rumour that Celtic lost 1-0.  Did they have
> their first team out or did they just not take the game seriously?  Or,
> of course were they beaten fair and square?  The reason I ask is that
> Tranmere beat them 7-0 a week or two later.  I know Celtic are not great at
> the moment but being beaten by a team we hammered - surely not??!!

yep, 1-0 to NZ it was

and Celtic played several first team regulars

> 
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From: skip@sloth.nrl.navy.mil (Skip Kovacs)
Subject: Re: NCAA offseason playing
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:24:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.144905.2397@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John  
Leinaweaver) writes:
> In article <1k76rdINN94g@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J.  
Duffield) writes:
> >
> >From Feb 1, 1993 Soccer America:
> >
> >"I will place articles in the press.  I will hold press conferences.  I
> >	will take the fight to Congress.  All I need is for you to tell
> >	me to go ahead."  --US Soccer executive director Hank Steinbrecher
> >		telling NCAA Div I men's coaches he will lead the fight
> >		to lift the ban on college players playing outside ball
> >		during the school year.
> >
> >To me this sounds like a great idea.  NCAA a good slap in the face (or kick
> >somewhere else) so that they realize that they are destroying US Soccer.
> >
> >~r .scoff
> >
> 
> The slap in the face is on the players, what ever happened to "Student  
Athletes"
> or will this be a new "study abroad" program.  I sure hope the NCAA doesn't
> become a minor league for yet another professional sport (basketball,  
football),
> 
> I guess these players will go use up their elligibility "for the good of
> US Soccer" and be left four years later without a degree or the means to
> complete it.
> 
> John L

You're putting this in the worst possible light.
I think the intent of EVERYONE trying to allow NCAA players to play "outside
ball," particularly in the off seasons, is for them to be able to play for
their local, amateur clubs.  As things stand now (it's so absurd it's 
ridiculous!) they can't.  So all winter, spring and summer they are prevented
from touching a ball in any organized fashion.  How'd you like to try keeping
your skills in that situation?  If you have hopes of going pro after college
it can lead to some very tough choices.

skip
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SERIE A FIXTURES PLEASE
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:13:22 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



does anyone out there have the complete list of serie a italy fixtures until
the end of e season? Failing that, only Milan's?

If so, could you e-mail them to me at the below address?

thanks....


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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Throw Ins
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:07:47 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Yesterday (Wednesday 28th January 1993), FIFA announced it's
intention to replace the throw in with the "Kick in". For people
in Britain they might have seen Jimmy Hill on Sportsnight ranting
on about it last night.

What are FIFA on? Some form of drugs? Why don't they leave the
game alone for a while. This kick in ideal will mean that you
can get as good as a corner from anywhere on the touch line,
and hoof the ball into the box even more.

Yawn......


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From: RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Sheep noises again
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:02:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Good to see someone stick up for Rangers once in a while.Everyone
else in Scottish football and particularly Aberdeen have an
inferiority complex which makes Rangers feel they should be
apologetic about being so far ahead of everyine else its not true.
I can remember Rangers in the early 80's when playing in front of
crowds of 4000.Celtic were dominant then and I don't recall anyone
bleating about the need for a strong Rangers side to challenge
them.Not like all this crap in the media now about the need for
Celtic to rise to the challenge of taking on Rangers.The truth is no-
one in Scotland wants a successful Rangers - except the Rangers
supporters.