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From: jverde@bunny.inescn.pt (Isidro Vila Verde)
Subject: Re: Getting SOSS running on a PC.
Organization: Inesc-Porto
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:48:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.180001.3604@reed.edu> bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney) writes:
>Path: animal.inescn.pt!inesc.inesc.pt!mcsun!uunet!noc.near.net!hri.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!reed!bob
>From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
>Subject: Getting SOSS running on a PC.
>Message-ID: <1993Jan13.180001.3604@reed.edu>
>Date: 13 Jan 93 18:00:01 GMT
>Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
>Lines: 20
>
>
>     I am trying to install the SOSS file server on my 386 PC, with no
>luck.  I have a WD8013 board in the machine and have it successfully
>running CUTCP Telnet.  The only other machine on the network at the
>moment is a MicroVax II running Ultrix 4.2.  Anyway, I've configured
>NETDEV.SYS and added it to my CONFIG.SYS file.  I've loaded the
>packet driver, WD8003E.COM, which works fine for Telnet.  But when I
>run SOSS, I get the message:
>
>     Error: PC IP address not known.
>     Use BOOTP or CUSTOM to set your IP address.
>
>I've set the IP address in NETDEV.SYS, so I'm at a loss as to what the
>problem is.
>
>     Anyone have any ideas?
>
>     Thanks,
>     Robert Ankeney
Yes. That alredy have happen whit me, because I set 'number of subnet mask 
bits'to 8. Setting this parameter to 0, SOSS work fine, for me.
I hope this Help

Isidro
jverde@animal.inescn.pt
From: jas@mcgarret.proteon (John A. Shriver)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: 100MBPS ENET
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:54:41 GMT
Organization: Proteon, Inc.

Considering that the people doing this have set some ridiculous
up-front requirements, like no change in frame format or size, they
are already seriously curtailed in what they can acheive.  1500 bytes
was too small a frame at 10 mbps, it will be ridiculous at 100 mbps.
For high bits/second throughput, big frames are critical.  The
software overhead is mostly per frame, not per byte.

This silly requirement for no frame format change comes from the fact
that the PC software industry has (semi-)standardized on NDIS and ODI,
which mean that every protocol stack has to understand every MAC frame
format.  If the world had standardized on the Packet Driver, which
interfaces transparently at the bottom on the Network layer, then
adding a new class of driver with a larger frame size would have been
trivial, and transparent to applications.

The same problems happens in the STREAMS DLPI interface.  Token-Rings
and FDDI often have to masquerade as Ethernet, since the clients only
support Ethernet.
From: muench-philip@math.yale.edu (Philip Muench)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: Coaxial & TP, physycal design?? HELP!
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:36:50 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In article <1993Jan19.141219.2497@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> domet@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>HELP!
>
>I am having a problem figuring out which type of wiring to use.
>
>Can someone please give me a simple schematic as to how twisted pair and thin
>coaxial are physically hooked up and what parts are required for each??
>
>I want to run a 7 station network with Novell 3.1, with SMC etherlink cards.
>Or 3COMM Etherlink III's.
>
>I would appreciate it if someone could give me at least one or both
>explanations of the physical hook up of coaxial or twisted pair. (i.e., all the
>parts needed and which ones go where)
>
>
>Luke 
>
>
>Thanks!

   I have received direct mail advertisement of the following book, which
seems (from the advertisement) as if it may answer your questions
and is available under a 15-day free trial arrangement:
"Telecommunications Wiring" by Clyde N. Herrick and C. Lee McKim.
Published 1991, 246 pages, illustrated, 6 x 9".
Write to: Steve T. Landis, Prentice Hall/Neodata, PO Box 11073, Des Moines,
IA 50336-1073
or call (515)284-6761/(515)284-6751.
   You probably can get books answering your questions from mail-order
vendors of network and computer gear (Black Box, Inmac, ...).
If you do not have catalogs or telephone numbers for such
places, find their advertisements in whatever computer
magazines you have at your disposal. Check your libraries
and bookstores, too, if that is convenient.
-Philip Muench
 muench@cantor.math.yale.edu 128.36.23.26
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From: hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens)
Subject: address of KALPANA?
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:11:59 GMT

could any kind soul tell me the address of the manufacturer of the
kalpana switch.

i really mean the address of the manucaturer, and not the address of
any distributor.

thanks in advance

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From: bray_eo@tamug.tamu.edu (Elliott O. Bray)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Illegal tcp/ip addresses
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:55:56 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University at Galveston
NNTP-Posting-Host: acc01.tamug.tamu.edu
Keywords: tcp/ip

I have 4 at&t 3b2's which were donated to the University several years 
ago,  long enough ago that there were no tcp/ip network connections 
availiable to us.  The people who got the machines assigned their own 
numbers (0.0.0.1, 0.0.0.2, ..., 0.0.0.4).  When the time came to regen the 
tcp/ip packages in orger to assign real node addresses, the software 
was {unavailiable, unreadable, unusable,...???}.  AT&T ---> NCR would sell 
upgraded software (maybe) but expensive.   The departments have decided not 
to invest any more in the machines.  However, they continue to run and are 
used.

I suspect there are other isolated networks in the world that use similar 
numbering schemes.

I would like to allow connections of some sort - telnet ftp posssibly smtp - 
between the two worlds.   Is there a bridge (pcbridge, pcroute, ka9q???) 
which would allow translation of addresses between these networks??

Thanks
---------------------------------------------------------------
Elliott Bray, Director-Academic Computer Center
Texas A&M University at Galveston
bray_eo@tamug.tamu.edu     @tamug.bitnet
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From: jas@mcgarret.proteon (John A. Shriver)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: ethernet vs token ring performance
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:46:30 GMT
Organization: Proteon, Inc.

Also, even at the same ring (bps) speed, not all token-ring interfaces
are created equal.  The first generation third-party chips were about
as slow as a 3Com 3C501 Ethernet card.  Needless to say, there have
been major improvements since then.  Competition over performance for
token-ring interfaces is getting very heated.

Also, your typical token-ring shop tends to use IBM's sludgy software,
like the PC LAN Program.  On the other hand, an Ethernet shop is more
likely to use frisky software, like TCP/IP or NetWare.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)
Subject: Re: Wireless LAN<->LAN connection?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:53:45 GMT

donp@niaid.nih.gov (Don Preuss) writes:

>We use Motorola's solution (Altair Plus). It is a wireless spread-spectrum
>product. The latest incarnation should go three blocks (I vaguely remember 1/2 mile


Actually, none of the Motorola Altair products are spread-spectrum.  They all
use 18GHz.

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From: ddrg@csi.on.ca (Duncan Glendinning)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: slooow network access on *some* suns in a UTP net
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:47:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: shark.ddrg.727901264
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Carp Systems International

muench-philip@math.yale.edu (Philip Muench) writes:

>In article <1993Jan13.150408.4243@arizona.edu> Leonard@Arizona.EDU writes:
>>In article <3583@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM>, Karen Allen@FtCollins.NCR.COM writes
>>(with carriage returns added by yours truly): 
>>
>>| Background:
>>| We've just moved from a thicknet network to a 10BaseT net. We've purchased Allied 
>>| Telesis UTP transceivers, CentreCOM 210T. Alot of our suns use a common Openwindow 
>>| area on our server, a SS10/510. 

Gee - We've also seen this behavior when we connected an IPX to our network
using the Allied Telesis UTP transceivers and a David Systems hub.  We've
not experienced problems (that we know of) with other hub connections using
the transceivers or native 10bt interfaces (3c509's and Asante's).
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Carp Systems International                    Voice: (613) 592-5780
600 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 200                  Fax: (613) 592-0584
Kanata, Ontario, Canada     K2L 4B6
From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: When to segment an ethernet? (or, How much is too much?)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:23:50 EST
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


We've started to work with scanned graphics, and I've been noticing
much more activity on our ethernet (1 10baseT Cabletron hub). Ctron's
Lanview software is showing peaks of 50% utilization, with extended
bursts over 30% utilization.

When does an ethernet start to break down? Looking at netstat on our
two unix boxes show collision rates (colls/Ipkts+opkts) in what looks 
like good shape  (.01759 and .00989). Are excess collisions the first 
sign of a network in trouble? What are the other signs? 

We're not getting any complaints from users (yet), but we're only
in our first phase. We'll be adding more traffic as designers begin
to work directly on our server (a sun 4/630), so I want to be prepared
for more traffic....

Thanks,

Jeff

--
Jeff's Oasis at Home.                   Jeff can also be reached at work at:
(Remember: The Secret Service is Neither.)              jwasilko@airage.com
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: dcarriga@NoFC.Forestry.CA (Dave Carrigan)
Subject: Needed: NDIS driver for Interlan NI5210 ethernet card
Keywords: NDIS NI5210
Organization: Forestry Canada, Northern Forestry Centre
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:47:08 GMT

Hello everyone. I've got an Interlan NI5210 ethernet card. The part
number on the box is NI5210B-8 Rev. AA. I know that there are NDIS
drivers available for this card because I've seen them. However, the
disk with the driver for this card has walked off. I really, really
need this driver, so if any kind soul out there has one, could you
email it to me, along with any other info (readme, etc.).

Thanks much!

-- 
                                ^
dcarrigan@nofc.forestry.ca     /|\   Forestry Canada, Northwest Region
Dave Carrigan                  /|\            Northern Forestry Centre
(I speak for myself...          |             ...not for my employer!)
From: rpratt@novell.com (Robert Pratt)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: ethernet monitor
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:56:36 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia


   There are a variety of ethernet analyzers available that do packet capture
and decoding, etc. and most of them come in or can be installed in a portable.
   Systems that include hardware, and tend to be more powerful than software
only products, include the LANalyzer from Novell, Network General's Sniffer,
HP's Network Advisor, and a few others.  My bias is the LANalyzer, but then it
is my product in part. :-)
   For software only products, that will work with (more or less) arbitrary
network interface cards, the available stuff includes Novell's LANalyzer for
Windows (nee NetWare), Intel's NetSight analyst, and about a half dozen or
dozen others I can't remember at the moment.  Again, my bias should be 
obvious.
   The best thing to do is probably to compare a number of these products to
see which best suits your needs.  The hardware based products tend to run
anywhere from 10K to 30K dollars, while the software only products are almost
invariably under 2K, and often under 1K in price.

Bob


Bob Pratt                               | voice     : (408) 473-8274
Network Management Products Division    | Fax       : (408) 435-1706
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"It isn't that I can't help these people, it's that I don't want to."
Disclaimer:  I do not speak for Novell in any way, shape, or form.
From: tanemeth@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: 10T and number of twists per foot.
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:40:22 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: eco.economics.adelaide.edu.au

In article <slendt.105.727652267@unomaha.edu>, slendt@unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt) writes:
> How many twists per foot in solid core unshelded twisted pair wire are
> needed to make it live up to level 3 10baseT spec?

EIA568 spec. says "7 to 10 twists per foot".  Most cables I have seen interpret
this as 7 for pair 1 (blue), 8 for pair 2 (orange), 9 for pair 3 (green) and
10 for pair 4 (brown).

> Also, how many punch blocks (old 66 type) is it safe to go through if the
> total wire length is not greater than 75 meters?

Always as FEW AS POSSIBLE.  Should ideally be 3 max.  From memory, you need to
deduct 2m from max usable length for each extra cross-connect.


Tom Nemeth
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From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.misc
Subject: Need address of the LanMan Mailing list
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:03:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Distribution: na


Hi.  I've heard about the lanman mailing list, but haven't been
able to track it down.

Could someone please either email me the address, or send a note to
the list administrator to mail me?

thanx

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: seifert@netcom.com (Rich Seifert)
Subject: Re: 100MBPS ENET
Organization: Networks & Communications Consulting
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:31:30 GMT

In article <3159366228.23@inode.com>, andor@inode.com writes:
> Has anyone out there been using/testing the new 100Mbps ethernet? 
> 
> Opinions? Feedback? How well does it work? What kind of thruput do you get?
> Collision rates? etc...
> 

Hmmm... I just got back from the 100 Mb/s Ethernet standards study group
meeting...

FYI: No one has announced any products for 100 Mb/s Ethernet. There are
no prototypes or beta test units in the field for any vendor. A few
vendors have breadboard equipment operating in their labs.

At this time, 100 Mb/s Ethernet is "paperware". Watch for announcements,
though.


-- 
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seifert@netcom.com              (408) 996-0922
                                (408) 996-2860 FAX
"... specialists in Local Area Networks and Data Communications systems"
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: tdrake@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Tim Drake - K31)
Subject: Re: Ethernet fibre-optic backbone
Organization: NSWC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:13:08 GMT

In article <C0qn6F.E98@dircon.co.uk>, uaa1006@dircon.co.uk (Peter Miles) writes:
|> 
|> My company is moving one of its offices, and I've been looking 
|> at the possibilities of installing a fibre-optic ethernet backbone, 
|> instead of our existing thick coax-base network.
|> 
|> Can anyone tell me about ethernet running over fibre?
|> Specifically, what is the bandwidth, what extra equipment do 
|> I need, how is the fibre cable terminated etc?

  Bandwidth: We use FOIRL at 10 Mbits of FDDI at 100 Mbits
     100 is about all you can get out of 62.5/125 at any distance
     ( 2K).  For a small instlation (inside one biulding) 
     I'd say don't mess with it.  Fiber is much diferent
     and good equipment is very exspensive. We have 50K
     splicers and 50 OTDR's and each connector (st) is around
     22 dollars.

        The FOIRL tranceivers cost around 250-600. My point
     is to do fiber you need a good reason. Going between
     buildings or the need for bandwidth over 100 Mbit (single
     mode). To just connect a few Hubs might not be worth
     the $$. 


|> 
|> I'm looking at getting 3COM FMS twisted pair hubs for each office 
|> (for the links to each PC/Workstation). The hubs would be interconnected 
|> with the fibre-optic cable (the 3com hubs have an option of a fibre 
|> transceiver instead of the usual AUI connector).
|> 
|> Would I be right in saying that all that needs to be done is 
|> for a piece of fibre to be connected between the hubs, and I 
|> have a network, or is extra equipment required?

FOIRL transeivers connet to AUI. ODS even has a female version
with a power suppily.

|> 
|> How are new connections tapped in to the fibre cable?

with a special tool kit.

|> 
|> Do fibre networking products from different manuafcturers interconnect?
Yes, standards, but I'd use one manf for connectors. We use
differnet manf for FOIRL transcievers on the same link.
|> 
|> Is there anything else I should be considering before making 
|> the final decision?

If there's a problem, what kind of test equipment do i need.
Power meters are probably good enough, but an OTDR is great if
the fiber breaks. A splicer is also great if the fiber breaks
from someone's backhoe. Its a new ballgame with a lot of neat
and exspensive gear.
|> 
|> Finally, can anyone recommend sources of more information about 
|> fibre-based ethernets?
|> 
|> Thanks for any help. Please email me with replies, and I'll 
|> post a summary.
|> 
|>                 -- Pete
|> -- 
|> Pete Miles			uaa1006@dircon.co.uk
|> 				...uknet!dircon!uaa1006



    Tim Drake
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: seifert@netcom.com (Rich Seifert)
Subject: Re: SQE Switch
Organization: Networks & Communications Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:49:56 GMT

In article <1js6puINNc5b@CANTOR.MATH.YALE.EDU>, muench-philip@math.yale.edu (Philip Muench) writes:
> In article <1993Jan13.114332.1@ptavv.llnl.gov> oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes:
> >In article <1993Jan12.021516.16311@nma.mnet.uswest.com>, ftarnol@nmastaff.mnet.uswest.com (Fred Arnold (303) 896-8084) writes:
> >
> >But what if you plug a repeater into a DELNI? You can disable CPT by using an
> >802.3 MAU with SQE disabled. or, if you don't use the master port, turn it on
> >and plug an Ethernet loopback connector into the master port. In either case,
> >CPT is disabled to ALL PORTS! No way to enable it on only certain ports.
> >
> Strictly speaking, is it not SQE TEST (rather than SQE, signal quality error)
> that is disabled? Does the MAU not continue to signal SQE when it detects
> actual collisions and cable breaks?
> -Philip Muench
>  muench@cantor.math.yale.edu 128.36.23.2


Of course you are right. SQE (Collision detect) is still there, just the
heartbeat is gone.

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                                (408) 996-2860 FAX
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy)
Subject: Re: Information needed
Followup-To: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Organization: Yale University--Genetics
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:31:28 GMT

Another way of getting one's own Ethernet address is to
use netstat.  One does not need to be super-user to do
this.  On my SGI it looks like this:


wardsgi 1% /usr/etc/netstat -ain
Name Mtu   Network     Address            Ipkts Ierrs    Opkts Oerrs  Coll
enp0 1500  130.132.19  130.132.19.20   8175442 3222540   436677   1   546
                        224.0.2.2
                        224.0.0.1
                        02:cf:1f:e0:44:09
lo0  32880 127         127.0.0.1           6374     0     6374     0   0
                        224.0.0.1

and the hex numbers beginning with 0f:cf are the address of
the SGI.  To get ethernet addresses of other nodes, as somebody
has pointed out, use the command /usr/etc/arp -a and you'll
get the complete mapping of directly-connected nodes with
which your workstation has recently talked.  You may have
to use ping first to get the node of interest into the
arp table...

Matt Healy
"I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab
 net pretends to work!"

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: slendt@unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt)
Subject: 10T and number of twists per foot.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:37:47 GMT

How many twists per foot in solid core unshelded twisted pair wire are
needed to make it live up to level 3 10baseT spec?
Also, how many punch blocks (old 66 type) is it safe to go through if the 
total wire length is not greater than 75 meters?

Thanks in advance!
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