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From: squash@iesd.auc.dk (Lars F. Kristiansen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: STUTTGART COCK-UP
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:46:06 GMT
	<13066@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

A follow up to Tim's follow-up:

>The fairest solution for me would be to have one game on neutral ground, and 
>the team that wins the game advances.

Tim>Crap.  Cheats should not prosper.  There is now a dangerous precident set
Tim>which could mean other teams will do the same, knowing its better to have
Tim>a 3rd game than the chance of going out on the night.

To my knowledge VfB Stuttgart themselves pointed out the mistake right
after the game. I should think that any deliberate actions is out of
the question. As a fairly neutral spectator I think it's probably the
best solution to the mess. I would like to think that our favourite
game is still a game of sportsmanship.

/Lars -- Odense Boldklub (OB) for the danish championship!!!

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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  7 Oct 1992 08:14 MST  

In article <9210070141.AA18447@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes...
{Attn: Eric
{Re: Media coverage
{ 
{Your suggestion about pressing the local papers to cover more soccer
{scores is a good one. On rare occasions the Atlanta Constitution does
{cover scores, but mostly it is only two or three matches covering local
{colleges, and that's it.
{ 
{Much as I would have liked to see the WC here, I am glad that Atlanta
{didn't get a bid since they basically didn't deserve it.
{ 
{By all means, we should call and write local media outlets.
{ 
{Best, Chris
{ 
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The local Salt Lake paper (a generous description) surprised me again today.
At the begining of the week they posted the S. American results.  Today they
posted the weekend results for the English and German leagues.  Granted it 
was several days late and only consisted of the scores and the standings,
but for a paper with a circulation of about 200,000 in a metro area 
about 1 mil its a definite start.

I am aware that there are many players from the US squad playing professionally
in Europe.  However, I don't know where.  Could some one out there please
send me some info so that I may pester the paper into including updates on
their play.

Thanks in advance.

Eric
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu

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From: jorni@edb.tih.no (Joern G. Innset,o90a)
Subject: Re: Cup final in Norway
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.121831.2048W@skylark.edb.tih.no>, stigh@edb.tih.no (Stig Husby,o91a) writes:


>There is no doubt that Norway only has one winning team,
>yepp you're right :
>
>Rosenborg B.K.
>
>The only team in Norway that really know how to play football.
>As usual they will win the double this year. 
>It's a shame that no other teams in norway know how to play
>football....
>At 25 oct. they will put an end to the rest of the teams in Norway
>by winning the Norwegian Cup Final.

What utter crap! I'll confess RBK have been pretty superior the last few
years, but this year it wasn't a sure thing. Half the league had the
chance of beating RBK to the top. 

I'm inclined to say it was a game of chance - the way it fell out.
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From: k8wq@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (MCCALL)
Subject: Scottish First Division
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:58:13 GMT




	Could someone out there please post the results from the Scottish First
Division and perhaps the table.  I sometimes get the results here but have no
idea of the current standings.  (What happened to the First Division postings
from the Morton fan ?).  


	Stewart McCall		University of New Brunswick
				Fredericton
				Canada
From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Dutch competition (ere-divisie), postponed game.
Summary: played 10/9.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:25:34 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

Roda JC - Cambuur 3-2
   62' Hofstede 1-0
   66' Mols     1-1
   69' Mols     1-2
   81' Brouwer  2-2 (own goal)
   85' Jansen   3-2


PSV             7 6 1 0 13 23- 3
FC Twente       7 5 1 1 11 14- 6
Feijenoord      7 3 4 0 10 16- 5
FC Utrecht      7 4 2 1 10 12- 7
Ajax            6 4 1 1  9 16- 5
Vitesse         7 3 3 1  9 11- 3
Roda JC         7 4 0 3  8 14-12
Sparta          7 1 6 0  8  4- 3
Willem II       7 3 1 3  7  7- 6
FC Groningen    7 2 3 2  7  6- 8
MVV             7 2 3 2  7  9-12
RKC             7 2 2 3  6  5-12
Go Ahead Eagles 7 1 3 3  5  6-10
Volendam        6 1 2 3  4  7- 6
FC den Bosch    7 1 2 4  4  5-20
Cambuur         7 0 3 4  3  4-12
Dordrecht '90   7 0 2 5  2  2-15
Fortuna Sittard 7 0 1 6  1  3-19

joost.

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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: The Mighty Gresley Rovers
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:05:32 GMT

In article <Bw0nJw.7wo@dcs.ed.ac.uk> dwb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Baines) writes:
>In article <13089@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>>
>>BEAZER HOMES LEAGUE Premier Division
>>   Chelmsford      1-3  Burton Albion
>>
>>And finally ....
>>
>>Beazer Homes League Midland Division:
>>
>>   Lynn            1-4  Gresley Rovers
>
>GR 2 - 0 Dudley Town
>Bridgnorth Town 1 - 4 GR
>Stourbridge 2 -5 GR
>Redditch United 0 - 2 GR
>GR 5 - 0 Evesham United
>
>So the top of the Beazer Midland Division [correct up until the 26th Sept.]
>		P	w	d	l	f	a	Pts
>Gresley Rovers	5	5	0	0	18	3	15
>Nuneaton Boro	6	4	2	0	15	7	14
>Sutton Coldfld	5	4	1	0	16	8	13


Thanks for the Gresley Rovers news, Tim and Dave.  Also; Peter Hemmings
e-mailed me this from England:

    Burton Albion gained a 3-1 away win at Chelmsford which keeps them
    in the middle of the Beazer Homes Premier League.  Gresley won 4-1 at
    King's Lynn.  Our paper does not publish the lower divsion tables, but 
    all the Gresley results I have seen so far have been victories.
     
    A few days ago in the Beazer Homes Cup, Burton 0 Gresley 1.

    Best Wishes, Peter.


Burton Albion are my "other" local team (I was born in Burton) but I'm not
quite as passionate about the Brewers as I am about the Moatmen.  But look
at that _fantastic_, _magic_, _brilliant_ cup result;  Gresley thrashing
the local rivals (about 5 miles away) from the _Premier Division_ on their
home ground.  What I would have given to see that!

I'm with Peter, I too have not seen results other than wins except the one
loss against Gainsborough Trinity in the FA Cup.  Its an incredible start
to Gresley's historic first ever season in the Beazer Homes League.  Please
don't pinch me, I must be dreaming!


	GLORY, GLORY, GRESLEY ROVERS !


-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
=======| Gresley Rovers FC:  Banks's Brewery League CHAMPIONS, 1990-91 |========
=======|                     West Midlands League   CHAMPIONS, 1991-92 |========
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: CONCACAF Champions Cup (aka American Airlines Cup) finals
Date: 9 Oct 1992 21:57:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 >...whatever happened to the finals...

From Soccer America, 10/12/92, page 6.
"CONCACAF will hold the final of the American Airlines Cup, it's annual
competition among the region's national champions, Oct. 28 at the LA
Coliseum. Mexico's Club America, which eliminated the USISL's Dallas
Rockets and the APSL's SF Bay Blackhawks in successive rounds, meets
Suriname's Robin Hood in one semifinal, while Alajuela of Costa Rica
faces L'Aiglon du Lamentin of Martinique in the other. Both semifinals
will be played October 4 in Queretaro, Mexico."

Best, Chris

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From: gps@ecr.mu.oz.au (Gavin_Paul SMITH)
Subject: Chelsea F.C.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:50:04 GMT


Can anyone please tell me when and where Chelsea are playing
between the 17th and 30th of November as a friend on mine is    
visiting the U.K. from Australia and wants to see them . How easy are tickets
to get ? All help reguarding this matter would be appreciated .

Thanks .

Gavin .
.

********* gps Melbourne University - Chemical Engineering. *********	
   Your Achievement .. What has it come to ????????????????????
 ************NAPALM DEATH********MANCHESTER UNITED F.C.************ 
                     The Fatality of Optimism .
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: More name problems! (was Re: chesterfield.....YOU'RE NOTHING!!!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:41:48 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Oct8.154928.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|.............................A FLUKE goal
|against Sheffield to snatch a 1 - 0...........................

Jeeeesus.............after all the petty squabbling over names and then
someone writes this! Just who do you mean by Sheffield? The amateur club
who play in some local Yorkshire league? (and is the oldest football club 
in the world)......I think not! And coming from a supporter of one of
the clubs who's being arguing that the rest of the world *must* use the
correct name and the correct name *only* for his club.......
(OK so I don' remember whther Dan was one of the parties involved in
that but the rest of his Glasgi buddies (sic) were!)

And this coming on the back of a fine example of Sheffield Wednesday being
called United (which was followed by a quick apology I admit but you
were pushing it there Jamie! :-).........I dunno, some people just don't
know what it's like to be mixed up with some bunch of kickers from across the
city! (well that should dig out any United fans, erm I mean Shef Utd of
course!, if any exist.......). I'd stick with what you've got you Celtic
and Rangers lot and don't complain in future!

Maybe Shef Wed should change their name back to "The Wednesday Football
Club" to avoid confusion (and I'm sure we wouldn't complain at anyone 
calling us "Wednesday (Sheffield)"!
Come back Alastair Burnett - the only newsreader who called us just
Wednesday when reading the results!

Up the Owls (which was the nickname chosen to replace The Blades many
moons ago, which is now Shef Utd's nickname!!......but don't let me hear
anyone confuse the two clubs again! (or three if you include Sheffield
FC).

gordon
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 12:43:20 -0400 
From: Saverio Cittadini <sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Never say goal

On Sunday evenings, and since this week also on Monday evenings, there is
a football-related program on italian TV which is completely different
from all the others. It is called "Mai dire gol" ("Never say goal"). Its
peculiarity consist mainly in the fact that they look at football with a
reversed perspective. In fact, instead of showing the "best" things that
happened on a Sunday, they show the *worst* - and therefore funniest -
events. That is, they choose the worst goal of the day, the worst line-up
of the Championship, the top non-scorers (i.e. easy-chanche-wasters), the
funniest mistakes (of any kind) made by players, coaches and journalists,
and so on. I enjoy this program a lot, especially because IMO one of the
idea behind it is, by joking about it, to forget all the exaggerations
that there are in Italy about football, and bring it back to what it
really is - a game.

Now, I was wondering if people on r.s.s. might be interested in getting
some more news about it. That is, if there is interest, I might post
some of their "reversed" standings, and try to describe the funniest
scenes. Please let me know what you think (either by posting or by
e-mail; for the latter, I'd prefer my italian account - see below -
but the american one is all right too).

                                 Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"The sky is light-blue, since God is a Napoli fan"
V I N C I   P E R   N O I   M A G I C O   N A P O L I  !!!
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Blackburn Rovers News wanted - Roy Wegerle
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:31:52 GMT

Kelvin Cheu (cheu@venus.its.uci.edu) wrote:
: Can some of the English league netters provide me with the news
: about Roy Wegerle ?
: 
: 
: Kelvin

I'm not an English League expert but in the past week Roy has gotten his
first two starts and has produced three goals.  What I want to know is did
he get the starts because of an injury or in Nlackburn trying a new lineup?

Andy

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From: DeBarger@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: NCAA Women --UNC-Stanford **RESULT
Organization: SLAC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:56:30 GMT

A match featuring the top two women's collegiate teams in the USA.

North Carolina 5 (0) - Stanford 0 (0)
Hamm
Hamm (pk)
Lilly (pk)
Tower
Hamm

North Carolina, national champions 10 of the last 11 years, entered the match
ranked #1 nationally, with a 12-0 record. Host Stanford (10-0, ranked #2
nationally) filled the stands at Maloney Field with over 2000 spectators. A
scoreless first half had the play split evenly between both teams. Stanford
tried working through the air against the shorter Tar Heels, while UNC
attempted to use their superior team speed. In the second half, North Carolina
pressed forward more quickly, bypassing the midfield with long passes to the
strikers. Stanford's second half adjustment involved packing the midfield to
control the play in that area. Carolina broke through when Kristine Lilly,
apparently trapped on the end line, fired a beautiful cross to fellow USA
international Mia Hamm who converted a leaping header at the far post. Seven
minutes later, during a scramble in front of the Stanford net, keeper Leslie
Garrard brought down one of the Tar Heel players (I couldn't make out which
one) and Hamm drilled the ensuing penalty. Following the second goal, Stanford
lost composure on defense while trying to press forward. North Carolina's pace
and control was up the challenge of Stanford's more physical play. Following
another pile up in front of the Stanford net, Stanford midfielder Dena Dey
handled the ball on the goal line and was sent off; with Lilly knocking in the
penalty. Playing a man down, Stanford continued to attack, and forced North
Carolina keeper Shelley Finger to make several difficult saves. With less than
ten minutes to play North Carolina's Rita Tower blasted an incredible 35-yard
shot past the near post. Hamm, the nation's second leading scorer with 15
goals, managed to break free once again and chipped in the games final goal
shortly before time expired.

In all, the match was loaded with action and talent. Three American (Hamm,
Lilly, and Stanford midfielder Julie Foudy) and one Canadian (North Carolina
midfielder Angela Kelly) international players were involved in the match. UNC
Head Coach Anson Dorrance also runs the USA Women's Soccer Team, while Stanford
Coach Berhane Andeberhan heads the Under-19 national team. After the game,
Dorrance singled out Kelly's marking of Foudy as the key to the match. "In my
mind, Julie Foudy is the premier center midfielder in the world. For Angela to
stay on her like that was outstanding"

Both teams will make the NCAA Tournament, and probably will be placed in
opposite brackets. For now, North Carolina has demonstrated again that they are
the dominant team in NCAA Women's Soccer.

Cheers,

Scott DeBarger        "And all the science,
SLAC                   I don't understand.
                       It's just my job five days a week"
Stanford, CA                - Elton John
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English News: more gossip
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:10:10 GMT

LEEDS UTD v STUTTGART
Striker Rod Wallace could return after injury as Leeds bid to book their place
against Rangers in  the second round.  Wallace missed both legs of the first
round tie against the Germans with a hamstring injury and is likely to start
the replay on the bench.  Mel Sterland is still injured and Rod's
brother Ray, yet to appear in the first team since his move from Southampton,
is a surprise inclusion in the squad.  Chris Fairclough or Jon Newsome could
take over from midfielder David Batty in the right back role.


Third Division Gillingham have parted company with manager Damien Richardson
and his assistant Ron Hillyard.  Richardson has been in charge at
Priestfield Stadium for almost three and a half years but they have won only
once in the league this season.  Skipper Paul Clark will take charge of
team affairs for Saturday's trip to Doncaster Rovers.
Club chairman Bernard Baker said: "It's a very sad day for me because Damien
has done a tremendous job since taking over. He was sure he could turn things
around but we ran out of time."

Aston Villa midfielder Steve Froggatt has withdrawn from the England under-21
squad for next week's UEFA Championship qualifier with Norway at Peterborough
due to an ankle injury.

Millwall chairman Reg Burr has demanded courts impose "the maximum punishment"
on the coin throwers and racists who marred Wednesday's Coca Cola Cup clash
with Arsenal at The Den.

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From: fbahg@nuscc.nus.sg (Himawan Gunadhi)
Subject: Re: European Cup
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:03:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.154131.15997@news.nd.edu> ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.121728.13560@praxis.co.uk> colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield) writes:
>>With all of the current mess regarding the Leeds Stuttgart business in
>>the Eupropean Cup. It seems an ideal time to question the
>>whole point of this foreign player ruling. I know why it exists, in
>>theory, it's to prevent a club importing loads of the best
>>internationals and winning the cup.
>
>The whole point is that teams from Italy and Spain, whoc have had such rules
>for their own leagues for years can do better in the European competitions.
>Isn't the EC doing anything about these rules?

UEFA came out with the idea of uniform (or shall we say blanket) restrictions
around the time the EC decided that all restrictions on cross-border employment
should be lifted for EC nationals. This was a scary scenario for the UEFA
powers-that-be! Imagine if the EC declares that in each and every member
nation's clubs, there will be no quota on EC nationals!

To pre-empt such an occurrence, UEFA came out with their scheme. Even if
all EC clubs are eventually not allowed to discriminate against
players from member nations, they won't want to have too many
of them in their books, if few are allowed to play in UEFA competitions.
So you could say that the UEFA quota acts as some sort of moderating
factor, at worst. Further, the EC has no jurisdiction over
UEFA, whose charter and membership encompasses more than the EC.

When the initial plans came out, I don't think that the idea of the
assimilated player was clearly formed. It was after objections from nations
with many assimilated non-nationals (e.g. England), that the current set
of rules came about.

Of course I think the whole idea sucks, but that's just my 2 cents :)
Remember that it's not just UEFA, but lots of national FAs that wanted
the rule! Most of the latter want to preserve their domestic competition
structure. They want to delay the inevitable -- a European superleague,
which horror of horrors, may be dictated by the likes of Berlusconi :)
-- 
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Dept of Decision Sciences      	 	BITNET  : fbahg@nusvm
National University of Singapore
From: cadorin@matterhorn.cica.fr (Mauro Cadorin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC qualification results
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:41:26 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

Paris:
		French 2 	    -	 Austria 0
		 2'Papin
		 76'Cantona
		 85'Papin miss a p.k.

Cagliari:
		Italy 2		    -    Switzerland 2
		 82' Baggio		  ? Ohrel		
		 92' Eranio		  ? Chapuisat

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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Samp-Milan
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:13:05 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Any word on when this game is going to be played?
From: 074spock@witsvma.wits.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Test for Liverpool
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:06:16 GMT
Organization: Wits University

This weekend is a good test for Liverpool when they take on Manchester
United at Old Trafford. The result will be a good indicator if they are
on their way up or Graeme Souness is on his way out.
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Subject: FA Cup Replays
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:32:12 +0000







FA Cup 4th Qualifying Round Replays, 13th Oct 1992

Altrincham            1 Colwyn Bay         1 (aet, replay @ Alt. next Mon)
St Albans City        2 Stevenage Borough  1 (St. Albans away to Telford U)
Sutton Coldfield Town 1 Rushall Olympic    1 (aet, replay @ Rus. next Mon)

Newport AFC and Clevedon Town replay tonight (14th)