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From: lamorte@netcom.com (R. Scott LaMorte)
Subject: I want...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 21:13:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


I want to get out of superbikes. I want something with *class* and
*style*. I want BAD, not COOL.

I want something with lots of glossy black. And some chrome, doesn't
have to be a lot. I want a straight, low handlebar position. I want
handling, good power, and a great feel. 

What kind of bikes should I look into ?

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Parking on the sidewalk?
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:42:41 GMT

In article <l2qnrqd.dmatejka@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
> 
> Basically, you're left with parking like a car.

     And that is the solution, of course.  If every motorcycle started
taking up a whole space, especially where parking is at a premium, (in
the city, in Berkeley, at BART stations, etc.) we'd have cagers coming
out of the woodwork screaming for more motorcycle parking.

     How about it, folks?  Instead of trying to save a quarter, spend a
little more now, take up the *whole* space, and tell everyone and his
brother it's because you'd get a ticket otherwise and more motorcycle
parking would solve everyone's troubles.

							George


----
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Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: lamorte@netcom.com (R. Scott LaMorte)
Subject: Re: I want...
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 06:53:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Yeah, I have been leaning towards Brits or a Harley. More towards the
Brits. Or an Indian?  Something about that old style I find
attractive...
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in going to the AFM races this Sunday?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:42:41
Distribution: ba

"Ilsa" == Ilsa VanHook <ilsa@netcom.com> writes:

Ilsa> It's a fun thing to do; keep an eye out for DoD-types like Pete
Ilsa> Ecclesine, on an RZ350 with AFM #83 and Jim Brewer, FZR400, AFM
Ilsa> #121.  Dwayne Chung, AFM #3, is not a Denizen, but is out there
Ilsa> on the net...

Is Peter going to be racing after his Dirt Donk last sunday?  I think
he rode home, but I was wondering if he was riding a "race-bike"....

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
 "Nude wheelies are probably the ultimate in squidliness."  -- someone at
                                                          Lissa's party
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From: hambel@berlioz.nsc.com (George Hambel)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,ba.market.vehicles
Subject: Yamaha XT350 For Sale
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:07:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Originator: hambel@blackbox


			'85 Yamaha XT350 For Sale

                                  $1500

Must sell this bike so I can move.
Bike is in good, strong running condition and is registered
on the street.  Tags are good until July, 1993.

Excellent starter bike for on or off-road use.

Call George @ (408) 721 - 4952, leave message if no answer.
or email at hambel@berlioz.nsc.com
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cycle City
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:39:30 PDT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <54vn=9_.jfh@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> I dropped by Cycle City after work Thursday to see if they had anything I
> should come back for a later look at (maybe).  I talked to Brian, who had
> the right balance between hounding me, which is what happens at Golden Gate
> Motorcycles, and ignoring me, which is what happens at Mission Honda.

the sales floor at mission honda is intersting.  there are only 
a few sales people.  the middle-aged guy with the mustache is one
of the owners and wendy is their only hired bike salesperson (that i 
know of). 

by ignoring you, do you mean that they snub you? or that they just
leave you to your own devices?  (i suspect that latter, and, given my 
druthers, i prefer to be left alone).

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: light@CITVAX.UCSC.EDU (Bob Light)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ride to AFM sunday morning -- details
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:57:28 GMT
Reply-To: light@CITVAX.UCSC.EDU
Distribution: ba
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: citvax.ucsc.edu

In article <JET.92Sep11135028@win30.nas.nasa.gov>, jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>Saturday is usually practice/student day, although I think this weekend
>there's an endurance race of some sort on saturday.

 There is indeed a 4-hour endurance race on Saturday, and the "regular"
sprints are on Sunday.

  Shameless plug:  If you're up at Sears Point for the endurance race,
you can root for one of the more unusual teams.  The team running bike #9
is made up of three people, two of whom were married a month and a half
ago!  If you have a chance, drop by and wish Dave and Terri well.  Oh,
and the name of the team?  Team Newlywed!  (Really!)

Bob Light   (light@ipac.caltech.edu)
From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: where to buy an used motorcycle
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:24:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <t3mnmrc.dmatejka@netcom.com> dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
>
>Why is it in the ba. newsgroup, no one ever gets flamed?  So here's

OK, I'll give it a shot ...

>PS - The bike I bought was one I found in the San Francisco Chronicle,
>owned by someone in the East Bay.

Really?  The Chronicle is owned by someone in the East Bay?  When
was it sold?  How much was the paper worth?  Watch that sentence
structure!

(English flames always piss me off, so I figures this is a good way
to start...)

-rob.
-- 
Rob Griffiths    "And the future will be better tomorrow" - Dan Quayle
robg@apple.com   PP-ASEL-IA, looking for clouds .... B52s/REM/Erasure!
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I want...
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:54:05 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <42qnwlg.lamorte@netcom.com> lamorte@netcom.com (R. Scott LaMorte) writes:
>
>I want to get out of superbikes. I want something with *class* and
>*style*. I want BAD, not COOL.
>
>I want something with lots of glossy black. And some chrome, doesn't
>have to be a lot. I want a straight, low handlebar position. I want
>handling, good power, and a great feel. 

You are looking for a British bike. Norton, BSA, Triumph. You forgot to 
mention intimacy, but I know you meant that, too. :-)

jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
*   (insert new bike here)   | Nothing hurts like the loss one feels when   *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | they lose their first love, get fired from   * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) | their first job, or sell their first bike.   * 
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From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Subject: 1983 Suzuki GS1100ES for sale
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:47:41 GMT

  1983 Suzuki GS1100ES Blue and White w/red accents
  23.5k miles
  new tires, battery, chain
  Telefix Fork Brace, Koni shocks, case guards, bar snake
  Recent Tune up
  *** Denizens of Doom License Plate Frame *** (oooh, aaaah!)

  This is the limited edition "S" model of this popular motorcycle.
It has a stock frame mounted 1/2 fairing (down to your knees). It is
in very good condition, has never been crashed, and has been carefully
maintained.  The koni shocks raise the bike about one inch, and are
ideal for a large person (6', ~240lb) riding one or two up or with
gear. I also have a lighter set of springs for the Koni's and I still
have the stock shocks. I will help the buyer tailor the suspension to
his or her individual needs. The intake, engine and exhaust are
entirely stock. There are two known problems, a small cam cover gasket
oil leak, and an intermittent brake light switch on the front brake.
I can arrange to have these items repaired.  I am getting out of the
sport until I move to a less congested area.

Price: $2000.00

Home: (415)968-9608
Work: (408)748-6345
-- 
+-----------------------------+
|                             |	     Drew Lynch, atl@kpc.com
|           Zoom!             |	Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Santa Clara, Ca.
|                             |	          (408)748-6345
From: trc@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Conroy)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parking on the sidewalk?
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:18:10 GMT

>> Basically, you're left with parking like a car.

>     And that is the solution, of course.  If every motorcycle started
>taking up a whole space, especially where parking is at a premium, (in
>the city, in Berkeley, at BART stations, etc.) we'd have cagers coming
>out of the woodwork screaming for more motorcycle parking.

Naw, what you would realistically wind up with is a trashed bike.

Some pissed off cager would either just tip it or would go to the trouble of parking
on top of it - really ociffer, I just didn't see it!

Of course, it does seem like we have very little choice ...

Does anybody know (definatively) what the law is concerning multiple vehicles in
a metered spot?

If we could get some salvage yard to donate a few worthless rolling chassis, we could leave a
few to hold the more choice parking spots all over the area and just pull up next to them
as necessary. Feed the meter as a matter of courtesy. Move the rusting hulk to another
spot periodically just to keep the 'abandoned vehicle' clause from being invoked. Heck,
we might even get people to leave their old 'used' helmets there for those emergencies
when some lowlife swipes your nice shiney new lid and tries to make a criminal out of you ...

Anybody care to add to this? Didn't think so. Sorry for the mindless drivel, virtual Mondays
have that effect on me ...

trc

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From: 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss)
Subject: Ungo box M/C alarm
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:41:48 GMT

  I want to give a quick plug for these guys.  The alarm itself is quite good,
but it was the service I received this morning which really surprised me.

  The Ungo box is made by Techne Electronics, located on Commercial Ave
in Mountain View, just behind San Antonio rd.  My box stopped working a few
days ago, so I pulled it out of the bike and stopped there this morning
to drop it off for service.  The service guy takes the box, says "5 minutes",
and disappears.  Five minutes later, he's back.  "One of the capacitors
was marginal, so we replaced it."  Hands the box to me and disappears.  No
mention of any charge.  Never asked me whether it was under warranty, or 
when I had bought it, or anything.  Just quick, friendly service.

  My next alarm will also be an Ungo box.

-- 
Ben Sloss        ben@versant.com (415) 329-7500 x172
Quote:          "It's all fun and games until someone gets paid."
Transportation: '83 CB650SC (straight roads) '93 CBR 900RR   (twisty roads)
		'91 XR 250L (dirty    roads) '87 Mustang 5.0 (wet    roads)
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From: ae@hal.COM (Andrew Essen)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ysr50's, prices, etc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:10:08 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: meeth.hal.com

In article <s2tnck.avery@netcom.com> avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
>ae@hal.COM (Andrew Essen) writes:
>
>>so i stop by 2 yamaha dealers and they're both asking $2000(!?).
>
>For a YSR??? For that little kitten?
>
>Oh please, for a $2000 list, you can go to Co-Ed Honda in Milpitas and
>get the bike I have, a Honda Nighthawk 250. It's about 300 pounds, so even
>a little elf like me can pick it up if need be, and it's FREEWAY LEGAL,
>unlike the YSR. Could even carry a pax if need be.
>
>About all the YSR has that the Nighthawk doesn't is a "like, totally cool"
>racing style fairing. I don't particularly like the missile-fairings anyway;
>the Nighthawk instead has VERY accessible innards and is completely air-cooled,
>making it a dream for your friendly mechanic to service.
>
>Uggggh, $2000 for a Riva Jog engine with a racing fairing? Give me a break!

i guess i wasn't entirely clear in my first posting.  there's no way
i would have paid $2000 for a ysr50.  i was just shocked by the asking
price.  so i bought a used one instead.  i've already got a full sized
bike (3 in fact, just can't get enough), i just wanted a scooter-bike
thingie to do the mile or so to work, the gym, etc.  plus, ysr50's always
looked like fun to play around with in parking lots, etc.  i think
it will fit under my desk in my cubicle at work.  indoor bike parking,
excellent!  maybe not...

also, i really like front disk brakes.  i can't recommend the 250 nighthawk
to others due to its front & rear drums.  how much cheaper are drums, anyways?
fairings can be a major bummer during service time, but you might change your
mind on a long high speed trip with a headwind.  not that a ysr is remotely
an autobahn burner.  

ae
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: spartan motorcycling (was Re: I want...
	<robert.715979259@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:31:48

"robert" == Robert Kennedy <robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> writes:

robert> You might also consider a sheepskin seat cover, since if you
robert> use one of Lissa's light green towels, it could fall off in
robert> the street.

You obviously didn't position the towel correctly, mine stayed in
place the entire time.  Or perhaps the BMW seat is of a superior
design...
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Anyone interested in going to the AFM races this Sunday?
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:24:36 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames


Hey, it's cheap ($12? $15?) and it lasts most of the day.  Just
remember to bring food or you'll be forced to eat overpriced dead
animals.

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
 "Nude wheelies are probably the ultimate in squidliness."  -- someone at
                                                          Lissa's party
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From: marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman)
Subject: Re: Parking _anywhere_
Organization: MSH Software, Hayward, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:15:36 GMT

In article <y3qnz_k.dmatejka@netcom.com> dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
 > dinner?!?  There are two checkboxes on the top that say "traffic" and
 > "nontraffic," with an offensive little "x" in the "traffic" box. What
 > sort of bizarre traffic offense is going on my driving record if I
 > just suck up and "pay bail," as they so considerately term it?

I can tell you don't understand our wonderful vehicle code :-)  Neither do I.
Perhaps someone can explain why the ticket you get for "blocking the box"
(something bikers don't have to worry about) is considered a parking ticket
yet double parking is a traffic violation.  Huh???

// marc
-- 
marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us -- pacbell!dumbcat!marc
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: shoham@flamingo.stanford.edu (Yoav Shoham)
Subject: dual purpose bike sought
Originator: shoham@scottie.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Robotics Department, Stanford University, Ca. USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:31:17 GMT

I'm looking for a used dual purpose bike, preferably a 250-350 type.
It must be in good mechanical condition, but I don't care about looks.
Please answer here, or at (415) 7233432.

Thanks
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Looking for non-anal-retentive moto examiner
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:53:53 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <pbnl2oo@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>You rode INSIDE THE INNER CIRCLE? What were you on, a trials bike?
>

Honda CB360.  Nimble little bike, but perfectly ordinary...

	- Leigh Ann


Leigh Ann Hussey  leighann@sybase.com  DoD#5913  AMA#624549  AWRRA#23 (skidoo!)
'74 Honda CB360 "Fyrdraka"   '81 Yamaha Maxim650 "Elhaz"
"And they ride, and they ride/ And the White Hounds run beside/ And they'll
seize the night and shake it by the throat."
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parking on the sidewalk?
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:46:50 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep8.224241.8694@tcsi.com>, gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>      How about it, folks?  Instead of trying to save a quarter, spend a
> little more now, take up the *whole* space, and tell everyone and his
> brother it's because you'd get a ticket otherwise and more motorcycle
> parking would solve everyone's troubles.

how about a sign on your bike that says:

"i would have only taken the spot between two cars, but, based on
the two tickets i got, that is illegal.  help us fight for motorcycle
parking and you'll get your spaces back!"

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ride to AFM sunday morning -- details
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:08:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <cxvntsl.blave@netcom.com> blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins) writes:
>OK, I'm confused.  I could have sworn I heard "Saturday" as the day for
>the races at Sears.  Is there racing on both Sat. and Sun. or is my
>hearing even worse than I thought?

 Saturday == 4hr endurance race (1 per year)
 Sunday == sprint races (maybe a dozen or fourteen)

 The 4hr endurance is a race in which multiple riders ride the
 same machine and try and complete as many laps as possible 
 within the time limit.

 The sprint races are, conversely, lap-based. So they are 
 eight or ten laps (or maybe longer). First one to complete
 the specified number of laps wins. Single bike, single rider.
 Mano e mano :->.

 Different strokes for different folks. It used to be that
 sprint races were much faster and more exciting. These days
 the endurance racers lap almost as fast as the sprint bikes
 (though it can be very difficult to tell who is ahead because
 of pit stops). The pit stops themselves can be very interesting
 if well done, a cluster-fuck if not. Most will not be well
 done.. :->

 I'd say go both days and experience two wholly different
 aspects of roadracing..

 Stef
--
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs     me: (415) 599-4876  me at them: (415) 688-9400  
dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting technical writing firm) 
"If you're going to crash, then do it on the first lap because then you
don't wear the engine out for nothing." - Jon Ekerold, 350cc World Champion
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood)
Subject: Re: I want...
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.202835.14170@leland.Stanford.EDU> 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss) writes:
:
:May I suggest you look into a used Virago or Vulcan.  Both offer
:good performance, reliability, looks (cruiser-style), and won't
:drain your wallet like the Sportster.  On the other hand, neither
:of them are Harleys...

I would have to agree with Ben.  I bought a 700 cc Virago about 2 years ago
for $1800 with 7k miles.  Excellent shape.  I'm still riding it and like it
a lot.  A bit more power would be nice, but I really can't complain.  Of
course the 1000 cc would be better....but more expensive, too.
	geoff sherwood
From: novak3@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;QF11)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parking on the sidewalk?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:05:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <18j3q2INNi9u@agate.berkeley.edu> mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon) writes:
>Three hours ago I got two tickets for parking behind a car at a meter.
>One for the 3' rule, and one for 'expired meter.'  Doesn't this sound like
>contradictory, double-penalty ticketing?
>
>You generally do NOT have 6' of space between cars at metered parking,
>plus a couple of feet for the bike.  So essentially, parking between
>cars is illegal in Berkeley, right?
>
>So we have to fuind car-type parking, right?
>
>So parking policies are incredibly stupid, right?
>
>Manish

So what's the deal on parking between cars in Berkeley?  I do it 
ocasionally (park in the free M/C zones by campus usually, and
off street at home).  I've never left the bike between cars in a 
meter zone for a long (>1hr) period, but never got a tix for it.
I did get a sidewalk parking ticket in <10 min in front of University
Hall though :-)  I also got one in Downtown SF, in front of Macy's,
but never outside of the UOP Dental School, where I left my bike
during several long appointments

-Mikey
Mike Perrott, novak3@violet.berkeley.edu, dod 0706, dsss11ll
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins)
Subject: Re: Ungo box M/C alarm
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 21:22:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba

I ended up with the Scorpio alarm after comparing it to the Ungo.  Does the
Ungo do any sensing other than tilt?  (I much prefer the Ungo tilt sense
method, BTW.)  The Scorpio does current sensing, etc.

Blave
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: lamorte@netcom.com (R. Scott LaMorte)
Subject: Re: I want...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:00:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:

>dear boy, you want an R100GS.  the offspring of form and function,
>the mother of elegance.  beauty and the beast in one.
> 
>-- laurie

I ahve seen passing reference to them. BMW, correct? And there was a
75 model too? What years?
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From: ian@lassen.wpd.sgi.com (Ian Clements)
Subject: Re: Parking _anywhere_
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:12:42 GMT

 Why not write a letter to the BART commisioners explaining why you'd like
to see certain sections of the lot re-stripped to say "motorcycle parking
only".  Include a sketch of the spot you got your ticket--if possible, 
dimension it.  Perhaps BART would consider your request next time it
stipes the lots.  You might mention that some cities (Palo Alto) have
marked otherwise unusable space as MC parking only.

 As for your ticket, go to court and fight.  Find a copy of "Fighting your
Ticket" (or what ever the Nolo Press book is called), take your sketch with 
you and argue your case.  Perhaps the judge will "see the light" and either 
reduce the fine or dismiss the ticket.

 Good luck!
--

--
Ian Clements, 			| 
ian@sgi.com, 415/390-3410 	| Towards the beans! Towards the beans!
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