HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Pack/Skins/Eagles Tiebreakers ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:09:17 GMT


NOTE ... INTENTIONALLY CROSSPOSTED TO r.s.f.p AND dc.redskins ...


In article 23903@linus.mitre.org,  lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.073746.5031@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, grej_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Georg "necromantic" Greiveldinger) writes:
>>I just read in clari.sports.football.pro....
>
>Thanks for forwarding the info.
>
>>The Redskins will win a two way tie with the Pack.
>
>OK, I can see this.  Washington has a slightly better record against common
>opponants.
>
>>The Redskins will be odd man out in a three way tie with Pack and Philly.
>
>I don't get it.

I spent some time this morning looking at it and I come up with the
same conclusion ... where is it?

>=THREE OR MORE CLUBS TIEBREAKING RULES
>
>=1. Head-to-head sweep (applicable only if one club has defeated
>=each of the otners, or if one club has lost to each of the others).
>
>Not applicable.

Had Clark gotten that 2nd-10 catch from the 20, we WOULD have made this
apply ... *sigh* ...

>=2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games within the conference.
>
>All tied at 7-5.
>
>=3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
>
>Not applicable -- The Giants were the only team that played all three.

Not quite ... all three teams also played the Vikings, and I am wondering
if it's four common OPPONENTS or four GAMES with these common opponents,
which may work as well:

			Phi	Was	GrB
	OPPONENT
	NY Giants	1-1	1-1	0-1	(assumes NYG beats Phi)
	Minnesota	1-0	1-0	1-1	(assumes GrB beats Min)
	Philadelphia	 -	1-1	1-0
	Washington	1-1	 -	 -
	Green Bay	0-1	 -	 -
			---	---	---
			3-3	3-2	2-2

But now this makes absolutely NO sense at all ... *sigh*

>=4. Best average net points in conf. games.
>
>Philly would win here; Green Bay would be last.

I did not check Philly, but Green Bay would have to win by at least three
or four touchdowns just to pass Washington.

>=5. Best net points in all games.
>=6. Strength of schedule.
>=7. Best net touchdowns in all games.
>=8. Coin toss.
>
>Irrelevant -- Philly gets top slot and Green Bay and Washington go to a
>two-way tiebreaker.  The outcome of the Eagles-Giants last game should not
>affect it.

That would seem to make more sense ...

>Where did I go wrong?  Or is it them?

Can someone out there shed some light on this?

Thanks in advance ...


Bob - now thoroughly confused ...   :-0

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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What's Up With Cofer?
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:13:47 GMT
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In article <1992Dec30.071535.21999@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:

> In article <1992Dec30.015657.23812@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
> >Can any of you '9er fans clue me in on why Cofer had such an attitude
> >Monday nite?  Has he always been this sensitive? I don't believe he was
> >wavin' at mom, nor do I think it was "Thank you" that sprang from his
> >lips when he missed an early FG attempt.  Although he didn't repeat
> >this kind of display, he sulked and pouted for the rest of the game.  I
> >realize he hasn't had a banner year and as I understand it, he's heard
> >some boos at Candlestick other than the ones that made him throw a fit
> >last night...
> 
> You seem to have all the facts at hand to explain his reaction. I'm
> not sure why you're questioning his reaction. 

My apologies for being so vague...it was obvious to me what brought on
his reaction.  What I really wanted to know was has he always been this
sensitive to this type of criticism (or any other criticism, for that
matter)?  Does he have an ego problem or he just another one of those
moody kickers?

> The facts are, he got off
> to a very poor start, and was booed mercilessly. Then he rebounded and
> has done well since then, but has gotten very little respect for his
> efforts. Then he goes and misses one field goal attempt on a muddy field
> in a driving rain, and he gets booed for it. Wouldn't you be tempted to
> give the middle digit to those fans, too?

Tempted, definitely...would I do it? No...not if I was playing for a
Super Bowl favorite and was making his kind of money.  I suppose I'm
being a little too critical of Cofer's reaction, but I have little
respect for guys with big heads like Mr. Primetime Sanderclaus or
non-team players like my personal professional un-favorite, Wade Boggs.
I can certainly understand Cofer's frustration at the fans, especially
if he has indeed turned himself around and feels he's due some respect,
but I also feel that throwing fits in front of thousands of 49er fans
and millions of viewers isn't exactly going to help matters any. 
Perhaps he realized this too late and that's why he seemed to hung his
head for the rest of the game.  

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Land of the Giants
From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Leroy Butler v. Rod Woodson (was Re: Leroy Butler)
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:40:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <1992Dec18.172230.14636@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.094405.9335@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes...

[stuff about Butler/Ware...]
>>Oh come on! Are you seriously trying to say that Butler went leaping
>>through the air, aiming a forearm smash at the side of Ware's head without any
>>intention of hurting him? Give me a break!
>>
>>Maybe he regretted it as soon as he'd done it. Maybe it wasn't premeditated
>>(probably, in fact, IMHO). That doesn't alter the fact that it was a very
>>stupid and *dangerous* thing to do, and it was very lucky that Ware didn't get
>>hurt. Of course he should have been suspended.
>
>I'd be interested in what evidence you have that the hit *was*
>premeditated.  I've presented what I consider evidence to the
>contrary.

Agreed. I have no evidence at all that the hit was premeditated. As I said in
my last post: "Maybe it wasn't premeditated (probably, in fact, IMHO)..." The
point I was making is that that's no excuse, or reason why he shouldn't be
punished.

Later,

The Wisp. [hoping the Vikes beat the Pack, and that the Raiders don't turn
up...]
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff games - NFC
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:09:18 GMT
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Satish Nair (satish@a.chem.upenn.edu) wrote:

> Along the lines of what would happen if the Niners met the Packers in
> the playoffs (a really BIG if), wouldn't Holmgren be able to see the
> plays that the Niners may call (seeing as how he was the O coordinator)?
> I'm not saying he would but it's interesting that the possibility exists...

Funny you should mention that. The league is littered with Walsh
proteges and ex-niners.

Last week, during the TB game, Steve DeBerg was apparently openly
"stealing" (quote-unquote) Niner calls - shadowing Joe Montana and
Steve Bono along the opposite sideline. When asked about it (by
reporters), he laughed but did not deny that he was doing so.

This is apparently somewhat common practice in the league. No one
makes a really big deal about it, unlike the cry-babies in baseball..
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.131509.25817@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> john@ice.stx.com writes:
>And might I remind you NFC boasters that in twelve superbowls from
>1969 to 1980 the NFC had a mere 2 wins.  The total count remains only
>14-12 in favor of the NFC and all this Conference dominance shit is making
>me very tired.  
Well, so from 1969-1980 it's 10-2 AFC, from 1981-1991, it's 10-1 NFC. Which
streak is more relevant? the on-going one or the one 15-20 years ago?

NFC dominates the Super Bowl. Until we see the AFC rising out of the current
ashes, talking about the 70s isn't going to get the AFC any respect.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Status of Darrell Green of 'Skins
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 00:54:48 GMT


What is the status of Darrell Green's heel injury?  Will he start against San
Francisco a week from today?  If not, who will start instead of him?
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:04:45 GMT

In article <1hqee0INNhb9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.144258.4776@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
...
>If I remember corrrectly, the ABC MNF guys said during the game that
>the 49ers rated "3rd" in the NFL in rush defense and
>"27th" in pass defense.
>
>If someone's got the numbers and/or the correct rank, please correct me
>if I'm wrong.

As of December 25th the 9ers ranked #3 in rushing yards allowed but
probably lost that position to Buffalo after Sanders ran for >100 against
them.  They were also tied with Phoenix for 27th in passing yards allowed.

In defensive efficiency (which is the average yards allowed per play) the
9ers are 20th.  NO, Dallas, Minnesota, and San Diego are the top four in
order.

New stats probably Wednesday.

Gordon
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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Chuck Cecil in Pro Bowl??????? 
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:57:09 GMT


Can anyone tell me how a no-talent, cheap-shot artist thug like Chuck Cecil
made the pro bowl??  Numerous times in Sundays game I saw him make pathetic
efforts at tacking the Viking ballcarrier.  He would either try to spear them
or cut out their knees.  What a jerk!!  He is lucky that Randall McDaniel or
Tim Irwin did not kill him.  He is an asshole, as evidence by his on-camera
flip-off to the entire Viking bench.  What a loser.

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Subject: FINALLY! Ray is OUT!
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 17:30:09 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


He's gone! He's gone! He's really truly gone! Ray Handley has been
axed as coach of the New York Giants!

YEEEEHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nelson - Thoroughly delirious at the moment.
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NEW VIKING QB?!
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:33:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Keywords: Sean,

In article <1992Dec28.220011.13002@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smaus@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Maus) writes:
>
>I have a feeling that Dennis Green and the Vikings organization will sit
>down after the season is over and start to have talks with none other than
>---- JOE MONTANA!!!  What better choice to have especially since Green
>used to be on the SF crew!!
>
>MONTANA WILL BECOME A VIKING IN 1993 ! ! ! ! !
	
	I hope not! Granted Montana was/is a great player, but the Vikings
	DONT need a quick-FIX! We need a QB who has at least a few more good
	years in him, I would personally like to see Esiason in Minnesota.
	Id also like to see Bono,Buerlein,Testeverde or maybe even
	Majkowski. But I dont think Montana would fit in very well in
	Minnesota. Please dont go after Joe......

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!

-- 
Minnesota Vikings	11-5	NFC Central Division Champions 1992-93!

Gannon back in the pocket, DRAW to Allen, Allen bursts up the middle,TOUCHDOWN!
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Superbowl Records
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cfEE9ca00WDK8Flo05
Distribution: usa
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 Superbowl
Records David Nix@aslslc43.asl.d (2892)

> The superbowl records of the playoff teams are:
>   Pittsburgh	4-0
>   San Francisco	4-0
>   Washington	3-1

this one should be 3-2....wins over miami, denver and buffalo and losses
to miami and oakland (or were they l.a. by then?)

--Vernon.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 10:00:35 EST
From: ABHAY <IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Divisional statistics, week 15

In article <92356.090840RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE
ZANDBERGEN) says:

>AFC - NFC matchups for week 15
>------------------------------

>AFC - NFC     0 - 4

What about Bills-Saints match? Do you mean saints win inspite of 16-20 score?
Abhay
(Dishearted Saint fan)
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes and Bills observations (not the Chargers)
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec21.102555.2452@vixvax.mgi.com>, eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes...
>Vikings Observations:
> 
>	As a Vikings fan, I want to see them win.  As a realist, they are
>	very unlikely to do well in the playoffs because they STILL have
>	no QB.  Rich "no humility" Gannon sucks; he's the Willie Banks
>	of the Vikings.  Salisbury is a more likeable guy and is a better
>	passer as long as he has good protection, but is easy to sack.
>	Without Cris Carter, they have no passing game against a good
>	defensive team (Pittsburgh is NOT a good defensive team, regardless
>	of their stats.)  Philly, Wash, SF, and Dallas would all beat the
>	Vikings in the playoffs.  Their only hope would be to rely on their
>	very good defense to come up with a touchdown - a remote possibility.
> 
>Buffalo Observations:
> 
>	As for Buffalo, I sympathize with their fans because of the SB losses
>	(like the Vikes).  But I am very impressed with their road victories
>	this season at SF and New Orleans.  Many sceptics were ready to
>	write them off this season, but after going 4-1 vs. playoff teams
>	they appear to be the best AFC team again.  You have to admire their
>	consistency over the past few years.  I would say Buffalo, Houston,
>	and San Diego would give any NFC team a good game in the SB.


I wouldn't include San Diego as a team that could beat an NFC team,
after all they only have played two NFC teams this year, and that
was Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Phoenix Cardinals.  Not two of
the power houses in the NFL.  They will make maybe to the second
round of the playoffs but not to the Championship game.  San Diego
has played a lot of poor teams which is why they have the record they
have.  

They have a 0-4 record against winners and a 5-0 record against losers.

Houston, I don't think they can play against the top teams in the
AFC, let alone a top team in the NFC.  They have a 3-4 record
against winners, and a 4-0 record agains losers.

Bruce, a Bills fan
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Analysis of Possible Handley Replacements
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:26:55 GMT

Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>Dave Wannstedt: doing a great job in Dallas, but, again, do the Giants
>want to take another chance on a first-time head coach like Ray?

Interesting stat I saw recently:  Almost all the coaches that won a 
Super Bowl were in their first NFL head-coaching jobs!  The exceptions
are Shula (previously with Baltimore) and maybe Eubanks (of the 68 Jets)

Okay, so maybe Landry and Lombardy don't count.  But Noll, Madden,
Flores, Walsh, Gibbs, Ditka, Parcels, Seifert -- all were on their
first job, and not even very old at it (4-5 years avg on the first SB
win?)

>Howard Schnellenberger:  Well, here's the bubba factor...George Young
>and Schnellenberger go way back to the Baltimore Colt days 

I think I posted a little note a few weeks ago about how I read in an
old and yellow copy of The Sporting News (December 83) that the Giants
will soon fire Parcels and bring Howard Sch from Miami to replace him...


--Gidi

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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:29:26 GMT

hw> Holly Wise
gs> Gary Strand

gs> If a team favored by ~3 TDs can just barely beat a turd 4-10 team, they 
    don't deserve to be in the NFL.

hw> Any team can have an off day.  

  Not according to M. Gloria. Teams that don't absolutely dominate a weaker
  team, or don't beat a good team, are merely pretenders. I suspect his cri-
  teria for a truly good team is a 16-0 season with an average winning margin
  of 6-7 TDs/game. Of course, when his beloved 49ers don't quite meet expec-
  tations, it's a whole 'nother ball game.

  Oh, yes, one other thing -- he completely fails to give any credit to the
  winning team. KC loses to Giants -- just shows that AFC stinks. NO loses
  to Bills -- just another case of Cha-Choke. Bills lose to Miami -- just 
  shows that Bills can't win the Big Ones, aka Super Bowls. Dallas destroys
  Atlanta -- big whup, SF did it too. 

  The thought that the winning team might have simply played very well never 
  crosses his mind. Teams don't *win* games, the other guys simply lose. Of
  course, he never applies this rationale to the Niners. Their wins are pre-
  ordained. When they lose, well, er, the FOOTBALL GODS weren't smiling. He
  cannot admit that a team that beats the 49ers simply won.

hw> Gary, you sound like an anti-niner whiner!

  No, I'm anti-niner-whiners. JPG merely being the latest in a long string of
  them.

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From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Harris/Haley Trade
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:30:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <douthit.725822458@scofflaw>, douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) wri
tes:
>dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:
>>How has Haley done for the Cowboys?  Are you-all pleased with the trade?
>>Did it work out as you expected/hoped?  Obviously, the Cowboys as a team
>>have had a fine year.
>
>I have seen a marked difference between the way the Cowboys attack
>QBs since the acquisition of Haley, although he hasn't had a lot of sacks.
>The general opinion is that he has drawn "double-teaming" and thus has
>freed up other defensive guys.  I'm happy !
>
>                       -Ron
>
    Agreed..... even though Haley had only 6 sacks, I am quite happy with the
    impact he had on Dallas's pass rush. Last season Dallas had 23 sacks
    compared to 44 sacks this season. I happen to believe that Haley's
    presence contributed to this incredible improvement.

    Malik..... Go Cowboys......

    
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From: lgoodfie@sobeco.com (l.goodfield)
Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:37:23 GMT

In <3210@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.202658.18281@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
>>In article <BzoD76.E89@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>>->I just cannot wait for the Vikes to get hold of a real QB
>>->like Buerlein or Walsh or Tomzak etc. etc.
>>My choices for the new Viking QB.
>>
>>1. Joe Montana    (Packer fans can dream about the playoffs, I can dream
>>                     about this :^)  :^)   )

>I can't believe that a Vikings fan, of all people, would want a "quick fix"
>like this.  Didn't Herschel Walker teach you anything?  The Vikings would
>have to give up the farm to get Montana, and he would play for one season
>only, two if they were incredibly lucky.  Then, because the QB position was
>neglected during that time, the Vikings would be even worse off.

>>2. Steve Walsh

>Now you're really reaching.

>>3.  Boomer Esiason

>Oops, sorry, *now* you're really reaching.

>>4.  Fran Tarkenton 

>That's more like it.

>Seriously, the QB I'm most afraid of Minnesota getting is Beuerlein, partly
>because I don't want to see a quality QB go to another NFC team, but mostly
>because I don't want him to leave Dallas.  He's going to, though.  I can
>think of several up-and-coming teams that could use him.

>Daniel Welch

Hey guys, I think you are missing one important detail: The Vikes should
consider improving their offensive line. It's not bad but it can certainly
be a whole lot better. Every time I watch a Viking game, it seems that
Gannon/Salisbury are scrambling all over the place, and it's not because
they don't have any open receivers. Incidentally, the Vikes receiving
corps. is one of the better ones in the NFL at the present time.


-- 
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From: lwn@sei.cmu.edu (Louis Nedz)
Subject: Re: "IT WAS TWENTY YEARS AGO TODAY..."
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:48:48 EST

typo correction,  the Steelers first Super Bowl win was in January, 1975
not 1974.