HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: More functionality. More UNIX utils.
Keywords: Unix Waffle setuid future
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:00:20 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:

> basil@osric.cs.odu.edu (Keith Basil) writes:
> >    o    Command history!! Hitting the arrows to get previous commands would
> >         be sweet.
> 
> We can reuse a waffle iron to make many waffles, so it'd be cool to be able t
> reuse a waffle command to make many commands.  Okay, okay, so maybe that's no
> the best analogy.  But I tried.

Excellent idea.  I just hope the powers that be are listening.


---  /|ugust /|bolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
From: nick@brimbank.apana.org.au (Nick Langmaid)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Filename munging problems with Taylor UUCP
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:49:44 +1100
Organization: APANA, Melbourne.

Just a brief word in case it helps anybody.

The latest Taylor uucp (1.04) has a bug in which the lines in the
X. file have a trailing space.  This drives Waffle's filename munging
algorithm wild - uuxqt appears to munge filenames incorrectly, making 
a high proportion of files unprocessable.

This bug appears in the beta release of Taylor 1.04.  Fortunately, there
is a "gamma" release available which corrects the problem.

Just thought that might help someone, someday.

-- 
Nick Langmaid        nick@brimbank.apana.org.au       +61(3)336-3228
From: doc@intercon.com (Dave Kosiur)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: National collaboratory?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:26:48 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: doc@intercon.com (Dave Kosiur)
NNTP-Posting-Host: rx7.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b21

In Greenberg's annotated bibliography of CSCW, I've run across a reference to 
a 1989 Rockefeller University report called "Towards a national 
collaboratory". Has anyone ever seen this report, or heard of it? Is it  
worth looking at? Lastly, any ideas where I can get a copy?

Many thanks,
Dave K.


Dave Kosiur
InterCon Systems Corp.


Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
Reply-To: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:41:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Introduction to comp.groupware (Periodic informational Posting)

[David Stodolsky]
:
|   Please read carefully:
|   Any article posted to comp.groupware uses a minimum of ten hours of
|   readers' time. Do not post test messages to comp.groupware (see
|   section 5 below).

Bogus, bogus, bogus!  Remove that thing; it only distinguishes you as
highly confused about how people can work in parallel on something, as
they typically do in _groupware_ applications.

</Erik>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Task management platforms - question ?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:17:58 GMT

Hi there

Seeing that I cannot find the FAQ, I will post my question. (Could someone
please still tell me where the faq is?)

I am looking for software which can be used in developing a task management
platform - preferably public domain. We are looking at implementing a 
task mangement system in our environment, but this sort of thing seems hard
to come by. What were looking at is something which supports things like
definition of individual tasks, construction of an entire group activity
and definition of roles with some role-resolution mechanism.

The user interface of our intended prototype will be integrated with other
applications, so this we intend to develop ourselves.

If anybody is interested to know more about our ideas and the application
area (which is network management incidentally), let me know and I can
provide such information.

Thank you.         

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Newsgroups: comp.groupware,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.sys.ibmpc.misc,news.software.b
From: Christopher Allen <consensus@aol.com>
Subject: Re: bulletin board software wanted
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:46:45 GMT
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:44:40 GMT
To: berman@gboro.glassboro.edu (Mike Berman)
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A753F43878010318@kip-24.apple.com>
Organization: Consensus Development

You might want to try (listing from Groupware Yellow Pages): 

*****

FirstClass (Version 2.0)

FirstClass is an integrated email and conferencing system with a
graphical user interface(similar to America Online or AppleLink.)
FirstClass provides threaded conferences, unlimited attachments, styled
text in messages, a powerful search engine, and gateways to other mail
systems such as the Internet, Usenet News, and CompuServe. FirstClass
runs equally well over modem or AppleTalk network, so employees on the
road and customers can keep in touch. Non-Macintosh users can access
via the PC Interface Option. COST: 5 network users $395, 25 users $995,
100 dial-in only users $395, PC Interface Option $295, 4 modem ports
with Hurdler card $895. SoftArc Inc.
(416) 299-4723; f(416) 754-1856; BBS (416) 609-2250 AL: CDA0674 AO:
SoftArc IN: sales@saolgate.softarc.com 

*****

There is reportedly a Windows version coming, and Unix users can use
VT100 emulation and connect via TCP/IP. 

| Christopher Allen	       America Online: Consensus |
| Consensus Development	 Internet: consensus@aol.com |
| 3182 Campus Drive #501	     Tel: (415) 345-1060 |
| San Mateo, CA 94403-3123	     Fax: (415) 3451-714 |
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)
Subject: European Labs Visit Request
Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:36:13 GMT

(Apologies for this appearing in groups other than rec.travel - I just want
to reach people in the appropriate fields of study)

I will be in Europe next (northern) summer and in the US for a short period
after, for the purpose of researching methods of remote delivery of educational
material. I am interested both in existing systems (both educational and
commercial) as well as current research in the area. I am principally
interested in delivery of university level (undergraduate and postgraduate)
technology-based course material.

My reason for posting is to reach as many people as possible in my field of
study, and to ask whether you would mind having an Aussie stop by for a chat
sometime.

Topics of interest include:

	Interactive video distribution and control e.g. delivery of lectures
		to multiple sites (both on and off campus).
		
	Multi-media in its application to tertiary technology education.
	
	Integrated information systems.
	
	Commercial service provision by universities e.g. provision of lecture
		material to corporate sites (I'm interested in costing
		structures, growth patterns, student participation etc).
		
	Local / Wide area network service provisions for multimedia and
		interactive video distribution (e.g. dedicated lines vs
		packet switched networks etc).
		
	Management of interactive teaching networks.
	
	Methods of delivery of service e.g. satellite, fibre, etc.
	
	Commercial equipment related to service distribution.
	
	Any other related topics! My brief is extremely broad, with a goal of
	identifying an implementation strategy for my university which allows
	for campus-wide, city-wide and [intra/inter]national delivery of
	educational material, with the ability to target whichever sectors of
	the education market (undergrad, postgrad, corporate, community
	education) are required.
	
I am an engineer with a background in computer communications and
digital systems design, so I am more interested in the technical and
management aspects of service provision, rather than the pedagogy of remote
teaching. However, I would like to hold discussions, in broad terms, with
people experienced in the use of such systems from an educator's viewpoint.

Please mail me - this is not really a topic of world wide interest to be
kept on the net!

Thanks,

	JohnH
	
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Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Where can I get the FAQ file?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:03:43 GMT

Hi

I've looked on ftp.eff.org and could not find anything. I'd appreciate it
if anyone could tell me exactly where to get it, or even mail it to me.

Appreciated.
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From: doc@intercon.com (Dave Kosiur)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: U Mich CMI Report source?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:23:34 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: doc@intercon.com (Dave Kosiur)
NNTP-Posting-Host: rx7.intercon.com
Keywords: meetings, Michigan, reports
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b21

Can anyone tell me who to contact to get copies of reports from U. Michigan's 
Center for Machine Intelligence?  I'm particularly interested in a 1988 
report by P.D. Scott entitled "Formal models of protocols for computer 
supported meetings."

Many thanks,
Dave K.


Dave Kosiur
InterCon Systems Corp.


Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: S.M.Clark@lut.ac.uk (Sean Clark)
Subject: Long distance modem links?
Followup-To: comp.groupware
Organization: LUTCHI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:02:30 GMT


All,

Has anyone experience in setting up high speed modem connections over
*very*
long distances? I am interested in linking two Macs, one in the UK and one
in Australia (roughly 10,000 miles) via Hayes Optima 144 (v32bis) modems
and
would like to know what problems to expect. Is the link likely to work?
Will
there be a serious network latency (i.e. over half a second)? Will it be
robust?

At Loughborough University we have successfully run ISDN over the same
distance without problems.

Any advice would be most welcome.

Sean Clark,
Loughborough University
From: martin@excalibur.crim.ca (Daniel Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Info needed on window or screen sharing
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:41:44 GMT
Organization: Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal

Hello,

   I'm sure some of the GG ("groupware gods") can help...

   We are doing a study on softwares and protocols that allow sharing of
window(s) or section of screen between two or more computers (i.e. application
independent groupware).

   Our focus is on the PC/windows platform, but all pointers to relevant
information are welcome.  We already know about PC anywhere, CloseUp and
Epsitalk (mac).  If there's some interest, I can summarize to the net 
the information I'll gather.

   Thank you!
        Bye, Daniel.

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o    o  o  o  oo oo  |  Daniel Martin, Research Analyst
o    ooo   o  o o o  |  3744 Jean-Brillant, #500, Montreal (QC) Canada, H3T 1P1
oooo o  o ooo o   o  |  E-mail: martin@crim.ca,  Voice/Fax: (514) 340-5700/5777
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: davenewman@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Newman)
Subject: Re: Groupware tools?
Cc: davenewman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: davenewman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:36:00 +0000

ters)

There are plenty of groupware tools that run on microcomputers -
although it depends on what you mean by groupware.

I am writing this on a computer conferencing system called Telepathy.
It runs on our LAN, with 50 staff and students using it. In addition
to local conferencing, it drives communications scripts to exchange
messages with commercial conferencing systems (CIX, BIX, Compuserve,
Greennet/Econet, Usenet). Richer organisations use Lotus Notes to
share information and ideas among workgroups.

There are many commercial and shareware shared diary applications
that run on LANs - and there are a few shared editing tools. And of
course many email programs.

Help desk software (perhaps the earliest workflow information
systems) is often implemented on PC networks, such as HEAT (which was
commissioned to meet the working practices and needs of the major US
help desk operators).

I don't know of any groupware construction kits for PCs or Macs, but
would like to hear of any.
-----
Dave Newman, Queen's University Belfast, Information Management Dept.
Preferred email: d.r.newman@qub.ac.uk
From: dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Introduction to comp.groupware (Periodic informational Posting)
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <19921216.016@erik.naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no> writes...
>[David Stodolsky]
>:
>|   Please read carefully:
>|   Any article posted to comp.groupware uses a minimum of ten hours of
>|   readers' time. Do not post test messages to comp.groupware (see
>|   section 5 below).
> 
>Bogus, bogus, bogus!  Remove that thing; it only distinguishes you as
>highly confused about how people can work in parallel on something, as
>they typically do in _groupware_ applications.
> 
    I must be confused too as given the assumptions, I come to the same
    conclusion.  However, I question the assumptions.  David, could you
    demonstrate where you get the readership numbers that go into your
    calculations?  We seem to have well under 100 regular posters so I
    would guess (WITH NO INFORMATION TO BACK ME UP) that we have a couple
    hundred to at most a couple thousand readers.

===========================================================================
daniel david mittleman     -     danny@arizona.edu     -     (602) 621-2932
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: The New Wang's BPM Re-engineering Recruits Get Trained in Brussels
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:11:00 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

To re-focus the new Wang's Business Process Management (BPM) re-
engineering consultants on Wang's new TQM-driven re-engineering
strategy, the Wang BPM Resource Center in Brussels recently conducted
formal Wang corporate BPM "Boot Camp" training sessions for Wang
Europe subsidiaries.

Guy Vanhomwegen, center director, said, "Our regional practice
managers said they needed more BPM consultants."

Twenty-seven people were trained during this particular session.
They came from Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, Italy, Australia,
and the Wang US BPM Resource Center.  The US and Australian
representatives attended to become familiar with the Brussels courseware,
which they will teach at their home sites.  Wang Brussels developed the
courseware and course format.

Guy explained that the five phases of Wang BPM are: define the customer's
goals and identify business processes that could be improved; analyze
and quantify a selected business process; redesign the business
process; implement the new process, and lastly, measure the results
to see if they meet the goals established in Phase 1.

For BPM re-engineering technical reports or research studies in Europe,
you can Email Guy at Guy.Vanhomwegen@OFFICE.Wang.com or telephone him at
(32) 2 727 21 11.  Alternatively, you could phone (same number) or Email
Martin.De.Rover@OFFICE.Wang.com

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Shared windows
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:15:47 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <1g9tdiINNirq@corax.udac.uu.se>, tomasc@ida.csd.uu.se (Tomas Carlsson) writes:
|> I am currently writing a paper on sharing parts of a workspace
|> between several users. In some cases the word 'sharing' means
|> "beeing able to see" rather than "beeing able to use" someone
|> else's window (or whatever).

We have a program called XT-Confer which provides an environment for writing CSCW
applications under X-Windows. The program is the "glue" that binds it together,
and it provides an API and data structures to enable "tools" to be written.
It currently supports 10 tools, including text conferencing, shared editing, 
shared sketch-tool, shared shell, vote tool, shared calendar, and finally a 
"watcher" tool which enables arbitrary X-WIndows to be watched and "shared" with
the other "delegates" in the "conference". All of the tools apart from the watcher
are fully interactive, and support multiple users of a single tool. For example,
the edit tool enables different users to have their own insertion points into a
document.
It supports floor control, as a layer above the tools provided by the core 
program. Tools are just notified when the floor changes. Floor can be either open 
or closed. Closed floor is when one user has control of the floor. Floor Control
is on a per-tool-basis.
Sharing is automatic, but the watcher tool is active (you choose what to share).

It supports different views on a tool, for example when the floor is closed to
you, many of the buttons on the tool will be greyed out. As another example, the
text conferencing tool has a "private" coomposition area for each user, and a
shared speech area.

See the Proceedings of the 1992 European X Users Group Conference for a paper
written by myself about XT-Confer. Also, contact support@xtel.co.uk for info
about availability of  XT-Confer, or contact me.

Neil Cook.
n.cook@xtel.co.uk

or

nlc@cs.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman)
Subject: Re: Which Tape Drive for OS/2?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:21:14 GMT

In article <8187@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.231529.23670@a.cs.okstate.edu> teague@a.cs.okstate.edu (Keith Teague) writes:
>>Does anybody have any further info on getting the Irwin Accutrac drive and
>>EZtape for PM to work with the latest (GA+CSD) release of OS/2. It fails
>>to operate correctly for me using either the latest beta (11/92 PDK) and
>>the GA+CSD release of OS/2.
>
>What kind of problems? I'm running an Accutrak 250 just fine, on a vanilla
>XR06055 level system. I'm using the floppy controller (there's a 4100A in my
>future, I hope; it'd be nice to have two floppy drives again!), and EZTape/PM
>version 3.1. (Not 3.01.)
>-- 
>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
> "Brought to you by the letters O, S, and by the number 2." -- Mike Levis

Are you using any new video drivers or just the plain vanilla VGA driver from
GA?  I also lost my tape system after the CSD (A250 on floppy controller, 
EZTape/PM 3.1).  I don't know if it stopped working (backup dies randomly, no
errors) before trying to install the ET4000 800x600 and then going back to the
640x480 (also the new VGA 256 color driver), or if it happened after trying
the new drivers.

A friend is using an A120 after the CSD, BUT he's only using the 16-bit Trident
drivers.



-- 
Les Hartzman                hartzman@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Jet Propulsion Laboratory   M/S 238-528    (818) 354-5964
4800 Oak Grove Dr., Pasadena,  CA.  91109
From: 5692330@mcimail.com (Robert Gammon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Any news on OS/2 2.1?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:09:25 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

In article <gershon.722754974@husc10> gershon@husc10.harvard.edu (Ethan Gershon) writes:

 >> Does anyone know when OS/2 2.1 will be released?  I assume some sort of
 >> upgrade will be availible on the net.  Will that upgrade need 2.0 with
 >> the CSD?
 >> 
 >> I heard there is a 2.1 internal beta floating around IBM.  What is 2.1
 >> improving?
 >> 
 >> any information would be appreciated.
 >>                                          --Ethan Gershon
 >>                                          gershon@husc.harvard.edu

OS/2 2.1????? What is this beast???  I think what you really mean is the
Service Pack that is targeted for release late December/early January.  No
announcement has been made, to my knowledge, about the revision level of this
service pack.  Last word that I got from IBM was that it MIGHT be called 2.00.1,
or 2.01.   Lets use terminology that we can ALL understand, and that won't
get us the equivalent of a blank stare when talking to IBM about this on
the phone or in person.  All we know now is that this is a Service Pack.

--
Regards,
Robert Gammon
(713)-274-3299       (voice)
(713)-274-2324       (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1? (Why it may cost) READ THIS!!
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:31:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.094803.12759@waikato.ac.nz> harvey@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>   Sorry if someone has posted this information already but I was
>speaking to our local IBM person on friday (11/12/92). She said that
>the reason that OS/2 2.1 has been delayed is because there is a fight
>going on between IBM and microsoft. Basically microsoft is trying to
>force IBM to charge for the next update because they recon that in
>moving to 3.1 code they can charge more.

>   This stinks but IBM are trying to get it out for a media charge only.

>   Mark Harvey

Win 3.1 support is of course important in todays market. But I think
that if MS continues this attitude, IBM should in not to distant
future make Windows support an option. Past 1993 I will probably not
need Windows support anymore, so why pay MS for it? Making Win support
an option from let us say OS/2 2.2 or 3.0 can also boost the
development of OS/2 applications, assuming that OS/2 will have a well
established critical user base by then.

Olav Torvund
University of Oslo
Norway
Olavt@jus.uio.no

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc