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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: KENNY WREGGET MUST GO!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:08:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan25.121139.7902@rz-berlin.mpg.de> KOLASINSKI@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE (Rebell ohne Schlips) writes:
>> Wregget for Sitler?  The jury's still out,
>> I guess
>	Who needs a jury?  This was poor judgement because it also 
>more or less lead to the departure of Pietrangelo and Young, both of 
>whom are more competent.

Absolutely, positively incorrect.
Pietrangelo is the backup on the NHL's 3rd worst team,
and Wendell Young is *3rd* string on an EXPANSION TEAM.  He was just
sent down to Atlanta.

No way do they compare to Wregget as a backup.

Wregget is an average goalie to be sure, but average is better than Young or 
Pietrangelo EVER were.

Frankie makes one big save during the playoffs two years ago and you people
elevate him to legendary status.

He's a head case who let's one bad goal go to his head and screw him up
for 5 games.  

Wendell Young is simply less-than-capable, as Tampa has apparently found out.

Ken Wregget single-handedly knocked the Pens out of the playoffs in 1989 with
his performances in games 6 and 7 for the Flyers.  He has a shitty 7-goal
game  in Boston a couple weeks ago and people are hanging him in effigy.

Some people have no judge of talent.

Dean



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From: todd@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Todd)
Subject: Re: HOUSLEY's streak ends after 2 handed slash by Roenick
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:49:50 GMT

In <1jms0cINN78u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk) writes:


>Roenick is really turning into a hacker and a cheap shot artist. Suspend him
>for 10 games!  I think he learns it from Smith and Chelios.

>JIm
>GO Blues
I agree! but it will never happen. He'll get away with nothing. There are 
rules for different players (and teams).

I was at the game. I have no respect at all for Chelios.. he is crazy, and I'm
not surprised at what he did.

I was surprised at Roenick! I didn't think he would cheap shot anyone.. maybe
it was a one time mistake.

..meanwhile the NHL wants to ban fighting (so hockey will be clean and spotless
for American television and Disney fans) but they turn a blind eye to goon 
tactics, behaviour that is unacceptable etc and infractions that can be
career ending. go figure!

there's nothing wrong with tough - in your face style hockey, but Chicago
came in with sticks, elbows and fists flying while the ref (Faucette)
looked the other way... until he finally lost control of the game.
You can be sure that if the Black Hawks were the Senators/Lightning/Whalers/
Jets/Nordiques/Sharks/the poor sisters of the league, there would have been
penalty after penalty called.  o well!

Go Jets Go 
Selanne for rookie of the year and MVP
Essensa for Vezina!
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From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hawks News 1-27
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:01:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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winning the norris divison is bad luck

don't be too upset when the warthawks lose in the first round.
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Scott Stevens (WAS: Re: Ridiculous Rumours (WAS: Re: Wings News))
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:35:50 GMT

In article <93Jan20.161326est.24@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:

>Who underrates him?? I don't know of anyone who doesn't think he's
>great.  I've never thought of him as "under-rated". The only knock I've
>had against him was his petulant whining after he was cut from the
>Canadian Canada Cup team. Last series (when Bourque opted not to
>play), Stevens did make the team and played very well.

Wwll, maybe not underrated, but definately "out of sight, out of
mind."  A lot of people, when asked who the best defensemen in the
league are, forget about Stevens.  Everybody thinks of Bourque, Leetch
(who is over-rated, especially defensively, in my book), Iafrate, etc.,
but Stevens is forgotten.  Part of this problem is that he is not
flashy, and doesn't score a pantload of goals.  Also consider that he
has played in Washington, St. Louis, and New Jersey, not exactly the
best places to play in terms of media coverage.  Of them all, New
Jersey, being in the New York metropolitan area, has the highest level
of media coverage, but the Devils are the odd men out-- the Rangers get
all the NY press.

-JPC

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From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Mac back.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:25:42 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

USA Today reports that MacInnis may play for Calgary on Thurs 28/01/93.

Smitty
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From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia Mancini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Toronto wins the Cup (Why not?)
Keywords: Leafs Toronto Cup
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:02:31 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan25.211253.1866@cs.sfu.ca> ekaas@cs.sfu.ca (Erik Kaas) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>4. Pat Burns is a proven coach
>
>He failed to lead the Habs (despite point 5 a better team)
>to a Stanley Cup final.

Have you forgotten 1989?
The last 3 years have been a bust a bust though.


>Erik KK

--Lydia


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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: Wendel Clark
Reply-To: dchhabra@stpl.UUCP (Deepak Chhabra)
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:30:27 GMT

In article <23JAN199318003637@trentu.ca> nritchie@trentu.ca (Nicole A. Ritchie) writes:

>Just out of curiosity, what does anyone and everyone think about Clark's 
>playing ability.  My boyfriend thinks he's a bum and we should trade him
>while we can but I tend to disagree.  I think he does sometimes take 
>stupid penalties but then who doesn't. 

I disagree strongly with your boyfriend.  Wendel's great.  Period.  There are
very few 'team guys' like him in the league...currently the Leafs are playing
well, and one of the _hugest_ changes I've seen in them (aside from those
points in the standings) is that they finally stick up for each other.  Wendel
was doing that a long time ago, and doing it well.  Nobody else on that team
could go out and get the whole team pumped up in one shift.  Clark's a
heart-and-soul-of-the-team type of player, and the Leafs have been sorely
lacking real leadership for a long time.  I think trading him would be a
mistake, and I also think he deserves to wear that 'C'.  

dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
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From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: Sunshine League
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:02:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

I was wondering if anyone had any info on the Sunshine Hockey League, the
new one down in Florida.  There was one page of coverage of it in January's
_Hockey Ink!_, but there's been nothing on it here (so far as I know... I
was gone over Winter Break).  For those who don't know anything about it,
there are teams in Jacksonville, Daytona Beach, West Palm Beach, and Lakeland.
This is the third new league to come along this year, along with the CHL
and the AHA.

Marc, r.s.h contact for the Central Hockey League

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From: johnwu@netcom.com (John M. Wu)
Subject: Re: L A KINGS FANS
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:02:40 GMT

In article <2B647CAF.2538@news.service.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>
>In article <19930123001403IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda) writes:
>>In article <93022.171300PHAMER@ESOC.BITNET>, on 22 Jan 1993 17:12:59 CET,
>><PHAMER@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>>Uhhh...I wouldn't blame Hrudey, not even on the goal you mentioned.
>>I was at the game and Valk's shot from the left point DID go through
>>traffic...a 2-player screen.
>>
>>Besides, the Kings turned the puck over twice and gave up the
>>puck in their own end...each of these miscues resulted in goals.
>>So blame the defense...not the goaltenders.
>>
>Although the defense has not been particularly great (not even
>particularly good), a good goaltender should be able to stop
>a shot they can see coming all the way.  Yes, I will give Hrudey 
>some leeway on the screen shots, but lately I have seen he and Stauber
>both miss shots (often) that any other goaltender would have stopped.

Yeah, too many clean, can see it all the way shots go through.

And too many shots, period, go in due to lackluster defense.

Maybe goaltenders just get tired when they have to make 15 great 
saves per night just to keep the score right during the first part
of the season.
 
So class, how many times did the red light behind the black and white goal 
tender come on last night?

Defense is very sloppy and puts out a fourth-rate effort.

Kings Ring Theory 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Old Guys With Rings And Great Contracts = Fourth Rate Effort

Kings should unload as many of the old men as possible and get young guys
who'll put in a first rate effort.  A Gretzky-Kuri package 
should be able to sucker a NHL team into biting.  McNall doesn't need those
two anymore for publicity.  Kings have proven they can live without
"The Great One".  And the IHL has many good guys the Kings can grab.   

>Yes, the Kings defense needs alot of work, but the goaltending has
>been absolutely atrocious.  

So atrocious, that Goverde played a game right after he lost a Phoenix
one.  And I think Goverde sucks too.  Hurdey and Stauber used to be so
good... Sigh.

>GO KINGS??? :(

Where?  Oh, I remember.  5th place in the Smythe.  

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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Re: War on Violence a Joke (Scott Taylor)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:00:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.061354.12857@Princeton.EDU> fafuria@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia) writes:

>(2)  Intentionally hurting another person is illegal in both Canada and the US, and outside
>     of a hockey rink is cause for arrest (and should be *inside* the arena as well).

I guess you are also calling for a complete ban on boxing, since the
whole basis of that activity (I fail to see how it can be called a
sport) is beating the snot out of somebody.


>The good news is, I heard a report that fighting in the NHL has gone down a bit this year, and

Yeah, but FIGHTING ISN'T THE PROBLEM!  The extra-curricular crap that
happens at the end of a blowout is uncalled for, but non-premeditated
fights always have been (and will be) part of the game.  The biggest
problem in the NHL is the cheap shots, and that is where all the
do-gooders should concentrate.

>that the average game has .5 more goals.  (Not as much as was hoped for...)

In my book, that's a negative.  Hockey is best when it is played as a
close-checking defensive game.  Goals are nice to watch, but saves are
nicer.

-JPC

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Subject: Re: Jagr female?
From: $ledouxbd@brandonu.ca
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:24:18 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

  



  If you think Jaromir Jagr looks like a girl, I would hate to see
what the girls look like that you date!!!!

Diane



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From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: What's the record?
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:39:11 GMT

In article <EfNp5yy00awVMG5mwZ@andrew.cmu.edu> Nathan Robert Peters <np22+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I'm just listening to the hockey game now and the Penguins thanks to goals by
>>Murphy, Stevens, and another one by Stevens have just scored 3 goals in just
>>29 seconds!!! What is the record with this?  I doubt this is a reord, but it
>>may be a team record.
>>** Rob **
>
>It's not a team record either, unfortunately.
>The Pens scored three back in 1974,  I think, in a span of 23 seconds. 
>Can't remember who though, sorry.
>
>-Nate

Just for your info, the fastest 3 goals by one team is by the Boston Bruins.
They did it in just 20 seconds on Feb. 25, 1971 against Vancouver.
The next fastest is 21 seconds with 2 teams tied for that record.
Source: The NHL Official Guide & Record Book, 1992-93.

Charlie Cook
charlie@calvin.cs.unb.ca
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From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Re: Whalers/Sharks - 21Jan93
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

In article <1993Jan22.211856.5584@scott.skidmore.edu>, mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
>
>Putting the sarcasm aside, people fail to realize that hartford is 1
>or 2 good draft picks away from becoming a great team.  Hartford has
>the best young talent perhaps in the NHL, like quebec was 2 years ago,
>Hartford (aside from any moron moves by the front office) are less
>than 2 seasons away from being in the top two in the Adams division,
>unless they are placed in another division because of realignment.

"young talent" is a dubious label at best. Quebec had Sakic two years ago.
Hartford has no player even close to the calibre of Sakic. I also doubt
Hartford will have the chance to draft a Lindros-talent with all the 
expansion teams. Without the Lindros trade, the Nordiques still would be 
one rung below Buffalo in the Adams.

Smitty
smith%phobos.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu 
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From: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: ESPN Gripe
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:06:50 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Reply-To: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscpk.larc.nasa.gov

ESPN puts on one game every two weeks.  Can you call this Hockey COVERAGE?


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From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NORRIS possibilities?
Keywords: Norris trophy
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:36:46 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <C1JM9F.94A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard) writes:
>	I just read that Brian Leetch is going to be out for another
>six weeks.  This made me wonder who would be winning the Norris trophy
>this year.  Bourque has probably been having a decent season at
>Boston, but not outstanding, as I havn't seen that much talk about how
>well he has been doing (and his point production isn't fabulous - for
>him).  
>
>	So who are the other candiates?  Could this be the year that
>Phil Housley wins a Norris trophy?  Could Al Iafrate's proformance in
>Washington get him what would be the realization of his, often-talked-
>about-but-never-fully-reached, potential and the Norris?  Who else is
>a possibility?  Larry Murphy?  Garth Butcher? (hey, he's in the
>all-star game; so he's only subbing for Jeff Brown; he's there) 
>
> 
>_______________________
>Evan Pritchard --------  Number 4 or 18 depending on the hockey pool 
>=======================
>epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  

How about Lyle Odelein. He has five points and he's learning how to
skate properly. But seriously, Mathieu Shneider should be considered. He
wasn't pick for the all-star game but most agree the all-star games
picks were no-brainers anyway. He may not be good enough to win, but he
is good enough to be considered.

Brian Spencer
Go Lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyle
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:21:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.205757.18319@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, shaikh@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (SHAIKH/AMIR/MR) writes...
>Bad trades??
> 
>How about Brett Hull from Calgary to St. Louis for a 2nd round draft pick!!!
> 
>How about Joe Mullen to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round draft pick!!!
> 
>later,Amir

 or...
 Sergio Momesso AND Vince Riendeau from Montreal to St. Louis for Jocelyn
 Lemieux??

 Russ Courtnall from T.O to Mtl. for John Kordic and a 2nd rounder??

 Brian Hayward from Winnipeg to Mtl for Steve Penney??

 and of course, the all time classic boner in Habs' history...

 Sylvain Turgeon from N.J. to Montreal for Claude Lemieux??

 later...

 Patrick Emond   MATHIEU SCHNEIDER FOR NORRIS!!
 Concordia U.    LYLE ODELEIN FOR EMERY EDGE!!
 Montreal, Can.
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From: vv1@dgp.toronto.edu (Marc J. Ouellette)
Subject: News about Andria Hunter in Swiss Women's Hockey League
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Keywords: Andria Hunter women's hockey Switzerland
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:11:28 GMT

Well, Andria's is picking up her torrid scoring pace once again, having scored
9 goals and recorded 8 assists in the past 2 games.  Her club, Langenthal,
is now firmly in second position in the A division of the Swiss Women's
Hockey League, with a record of 10 wins, 1 tie, and 4 losses.  Three of the
losses have been to Lyss, the first place team.  Andria now has 55 goals and
36 assists for a total of 91 points in 15 games, an amazing 6 points a game!

Last month's results:
                                         (Andria's performance)
December 18  Langenthal 5 @ Zug        5 (3 goals, 1 assist)
January  10  Bulach     2 @ Langenthal 6 (2 assists)
January  14  Langenthal 3 @ Lyss       6 (1 goal)
January  17  Zug        5 @ Langenthal 7 (3 goals, 3 assists)
January  23  Langenthal 14@ GC         4 (6 goals, 5 assists)

Upcoming games:

January  30  Weinfelden   @ Langenthal
February  7  Lyss         @ Langenthal
February  9  Langenthal   @ Lyss
February 14  GC           @ Langenthal

Since there are no playoffs, the team in first place at the end of the season
is the Swiss champs.  Lyss is almost guaranteed first place, and Langenthal
second place.

Marc
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From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Last Call for the get-well card...
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:08:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



Yes it's still me... thanxalot to all who have sent their names to be included 
on the r.s.h. get-well card for Mario (about 120 to date). I'll have to send it 
soon, so he gets it before his radiation therapy ends 8-)  so I'll include any
names that reach me before Tuesday night, Jan 26 (the next time I check my mail,
in other words).

the address: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca
the subject:  Get well Mario (just include Mario or Lemieux)

and Brian: ouch!

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Pens-Ottawa Summary
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:17:37 GMT

In article <93021.004316RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Woob <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>    Aah but I was there Rick - like I've been to most games over the break.
>The Penguins played really solid in the 3rd period.  I don't know where your
>seats are, but mine are in behind the net on the Penguins side so I saw all of
>those 3rd period goals.  Believe me 6-1 is a high score.  Ottawa doesn't get
>blown out every night.  They suck, but they're trying.  They don't have much.

Yes, Ottawa *does* get blown out pretty much every night...  They have given
up 232 goals in 49 games, while only getting 106 themselves.  That means that
an average Senators game is a 4.7-2.2 loss, with the opponents on the average
out-scoring the Senators by more than 2 1/2 goals.  (The only team nearly
as bad, of course, is the Sharks, who would lose an average game 4.9-2.8.)

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