From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:12:33 GMT

In <4226@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>If you're gonna into this discussion, you oughta keep your facts straight
>about who's saying what.  My main point in this discussion, which nobody,
>including Silverman (or you) want to address, is that anyone who claims to
>know the Top 10 Bands of All Time without every having given any black
>music more than a cursory listen simply knows very little about the subject
>at hand.

actually i have been in this discussion for a while... i just had my
distribution set wrong... granted... you are correct sir... that person is
indeed ingnorant and if that is truly the case with mike then yes he should
be flamed if he didn't have anything to back up then he is at fault... but
i get the impression that he has heard it at just didn't like it... that is
no reason to flame him...

>Well, wait a minute, let me get back to your point up there.  You seem to
>think that musical "greatness" is determined by how many of your friends
>have heard of them.  Y'know, my wife didn't know who Sonny Rollins was 
>until last week when I brought home a CD of his.  (Who?).  Sonny Rollins.
>You know.  One of the greatest jazz saxophonists of all time.  Ever heard
>of him?  Lots of people have.  Even more people haven't, simply because
>most people simpley *don't* *seek* *out* *interesting* *music*.  And so
>I can hardly see how those people can make any kind of Top 10 list that
>has any meaning at all to anyone but themselves.

you misunderstand me... i don't think that at all.. in fact i really don't
see where you got that impression... but that is neither here nor there...
some of my favorite bands my friends have never even heard of and most of
the people i know don't even know who they are... examples, Midnight Oil
and the Shamen... now you may know who they are but most don't... i hardly
judge a band
s greatness by how many people listen to it... some of the best stuff out
there very few people know about...


>Well, by definition, everything here is an opinion.  But if you're going
>to post your opinion, you should be prepared to back it up.  Mr. Silverman
>could not back up his opinion, so he got abusive instead.  And if someone
>gets in my face, well, I'm gonna get right back in theres.

i am not saying that mike is faultless... but sometime opinions are _very_
difficult to back up and sometimes you can't put your finger on why you
like somthing... sometimes it is a 'gut' feeling...

>I was yapping at him for not sufficiently backing up his opinions; he
>displayed his ignorance of black music (no problem, nobody's born with
>this info) and then proceeded to dismiss it as unimportant.  But how does
>he *know* it's unimportant when he freely admits he hasn't even *heard* it?
>*This* is ignorance, it's annoying, and when it's splayed out all over
>r.m.m., then it's open to criticism.  Tough.

agreed...

>Well, maybe if people tried to *learn* something from this newsgroup, there
>wouldn't be so many flamewars.  People think I'm some kind of bad guy for
>flaming people, but the point is that I don't post unless I know what I'm
>talking about.  I've had perfectly civil discussions with people here all
>the time, because I don't shoot off my mouth about music I have no knowledge
>of.

i do see you as rather arrogant... but at least you can be rational and
back yourself up... that i admire... thanks for the honest criticism of my
post... it is one of the few on this group...