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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FC Nuernberg No we're talking Bayern now
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:21:23 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

heinz@wombat.ma.utexas.edu (Martin Heinz) writes:

>This is what you really have to appreciate at Bayern. True, Uli Hoeness
>might be a jerk - but he had success while managing Bayern.

Funny you should say that, just a couple of days ago I blamed the current
not so good Bayern performance on the management. Remember last season?
One of the main reason for Bayern not winning the title was an inconstant
performance. Especially the defense seemed to be insecure. So what did
the management do? Bought some new defenders to replace the retiring
Augenthaler? No. They sold the two national player Reuter and Kohler,
both strong on defense and bought 2 brazilian forwards. Ok, they also
got themselves Bertold and Kreuzer. Bertold is good, sometimes and 
Kreuzer have looked like a disaster everytime I have seen him.

I wouldn't call that good management (I admit the finances are sound
, though).

>So, I hope that Bayern will recover.

The sooner the better.
-- 
|Jesper Lauridsen        |  Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 4xCup Winner,    |
|rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   |                 4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner         |
|                        |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner, |
| No News is bad News    |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner      |
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness shocker: April 16th
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:53:30 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <cgllgher.703436273@unix2.tcd.ie>, cgllgher@unix2.tcd.ie (    SPARKY     ) writes:
> In <1992Apr16.073949.1890@tcom.stc.co.uk> tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy) writes:
> 
>  
> I wrote in before about Souness and recieved some flak but many
> of you will now see what I mean.The man has no sense of shame his
> goal  in life is to earn another 10 million he doesn't care how
> or by no means.He loves publicity more than Clough but unlike
> him has no loyalty.
>  
> 
No I dont think this. You know what the SUN is like, forever twisting 
things so I dont really think Souness should get the blame. I would
imagine your shoulders must be at breaking point with the weight of potatoes
on either one.

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Glasgow, Scotland                  * 
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From: mikel@lsil.com (Michael Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English Soccer April 14
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: mikel@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Div1
----
Luton 		2 - 1	Notts Forrest 
Sheff Utd 	2 - 0	Spurs 
West Ham 	0 - 1   Southampton 

Div2
----
Blackburn	1 - 2	Wolves
SUNDERLAND	3 - 0	Ipswich

Div3
----
Birmingham	2 - 1	Bolton
Bournemouth	1 - 1	Huddersfield
Bury		3 - 1	Exeter
Preston		1 - 1	Reading
Torquay		2 - 1	Hull
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu ()
Subject: Turkish soccer results
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:37:31 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Here the results of turkish soccer games, from 29-Apr.

	Fenerbahce	:	Bolu		2:0
	Konya		:	Besiktas  	0:3
	Adana D.S.	:	Trabzon		0:0
	Galatasaray	:	Gaziantep	0:1
	Ankaragucu	:	Sariyer		3:1
	Bursa		:	Altay		0:0
	Bakirkoy	:	Gencler B.	4:1
	Aydin		:	Samsun		2:1


Regards, MUTLU.
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US only likes LOW scores?????
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:57:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr6.011506.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>, mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
> 
>     Why does everyone have the impression the U.S. can't abide by low
> scoring sports?  A British friend of mine, who happens to be both a
> big soccer fan (BTW, he has no problem calling it "soccer") *and* a
> big baseball fan, can't understand where his countrymen get this idea
> about us.  For one thing, your average baseball score comes out about
> 3-2 or so (not very high scoring in my book -- our "dreadful" U.S.
> soccer squad just beat the Chinese 4-0).  For another, true baseball
> fans don't go round hating 0-0 games if the reason they're 0-0 is
> due to fantastic fielding and pitching.  I'm positive you can say
> similar things about soccer fans in "real" soccer countries.


	The following comments are not meant to bash Americans.  I 
merely stated what I observed.
	True baseball fans like 0-0 because they understand the games.
You cannot say the same thing to Americans in the case of football.
I have heard comments like watching football is like watching grass grow,
or do they play defense/offense ?, or is there a tactical 
techniques the players used etc.  To most Americans (especially 
adults), football is just mindless kicking the ball up and down the field.  


	To most Americans, the quality of the game is supposed be reflected 
by the quantity of the score.  A case in point.  In some college soccer,  
they have experimenting with the idea of enlarging the goal post.  To the 
dismay of the people,  some games still ended up in 0-0.

 

>      I think the main problem with soccer being accepted here as a
> spectator sport has to do with the utter lack of coverage it receives.
> Soccer is by far the most popular club sport among youth in the Phil-
> adelphia area.  This obsession with youth soccer made front page news
> in the main Philadelphia newspaper.  BUT where did the results of our
> recent drubbing of China get printed?  On the last page in the Sports
> section, hidden in super small print.  I'm not sure how our media
> can acknowledge how popular soccer is on the club level and yet think
> that *that* few people would be interested in soccer on the international
> level.
> -- 

	I believe this is a catch-22 situation.  The papers feel that
no one is interested in the game and hence chose not to print any news.
But if the game is not receiving coverage, interest will not be aroused.
I even read one letter to the editor in USA TODAY requesting the paper NOT
to spent too much time cover the upcoming WC 94, the reason given is 
fans are not interested. 



Jack Teh

>                                   JCM                      
>              |---------------------------------------------|
>              |--Mills_J@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Jason Mills)----|
>              |"Why would anyone want both an MD and a PhD?"|
>              -----------------------------------------------
From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gregory's Girl
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:15:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr13.155754.2762@tcom.stc.co.uk>, bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
> 
> One of my all-time favourite films! The football is incidental, but provides
> some very funny scenes. One is where the rather attractive Dorothy (Dee
> Hepburn) who has replaced Gregory as centre-forward scores a great goal.
> Gregory, who fancies her something rotten, is stuck in his goalmouth
> and has to watch as not only the boys from their own side come to kiss
> and congratulate her, but also the opposition team as well!
> 

I must agree with Bruce here even if he supports the scumbags (wonders never 
cease). He seems to be in a better mood these days, since Spurs have won a
couple of games and they will achieve their great goal of ...avoiding
relegation. (:-)
Anyway, "Gregory's Girl" is a classic. The two lads with their "pulling"
problems are really funny. Gregory is quite a useless goalie (a bit like
the other lanky, Nordic figure at White Hart Lane).
An excellent little film.
Bill Forsyth (the director) has also made "Local Hero" as far as I remember.

Cheers,

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From: connollj@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Bruce's Tackles)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Manchester Derby
Keywords: Bruce, bollox
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:32:29 GMT

Man United       1 : 1       Man City
=====================================
Giggs                        Curle (pen)

Oh dear, we had it sewn up and then Brucey decides the best thing to do was
to chop down David White in the box when he was going nowhere. To be fair to
Bruce I think he was going for the ball but White touched it out of the way
and said, "cheers Brucey we'll have a pen for that!".
Highlight of the match must have been Giggs' superb 20 odd yard left foot 
strike and Neil Pointon's Bruce Lee impression on Ryan Giggs which led to him
being sent off.
(sigh) 1-0 up against 10 men and the game ends up a draw, bit of a giveaway
really but that's life. Never mind we'll still win the championship.

Jon

-- 
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|  Jon Connolly                |  *** MANCHESTER UNITED FC ***  |
|  connollj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4    |       **** 1991/92 ****        |
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Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:4993 soc.culture.french:2815
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The Transatlantic challenge
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:11:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Distribution: na
Organization: GTE/SCSD


> In 1993 England travel to the United States with American Airlines to
> participate in a four nations tournament which will include the hosts
> of the 1994 World Cup..."

This sounds like the tournament they are having this year called the 
America Cup.  Maybe they are planning to do the same thing next yaer with
three different teams joining the US.

Andy
From: halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Correct Title = VICTORY
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:13:09 GMT
Organization: Skrivervik Data A/S

In article <1992Apr10.215349.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, axwcp@acad2.alaska.edu (Bill Phillips) writes:
|> In article <5360@hsi86.hsi.com>, archer@hsi86.hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
|> > OK, who's going to list all the football stars featured in the film?
|> > 
|> > Everyone here remembers Pele and Bobby Moore, of course.
|> > 
|> > Remember Ossie Ardiles (Tottenham Hotspur), John Wark (Ipswich Town)?
|> > I can't remember 'em all.  Who was the goalie Stallone replaced?  Wasn't
|> > he an Irish international?  Anyway, I'll leave it to you all to fill
|> > in the blanks! :-)
|> 
|> I think that you'll find that most of the German ARMY (not National) team
|> members were actually players from Ipswich Town FC (at the time one of the
|> better teams in the English First Division, and soon to be back in that
|> Division!!  ;-}   GO YOU BLUES!!)
|> 
|> The goalie for the Germans was Laurie Sievel (sp), and some of the others that
|> I *think* were in it (I haven't seen the movie for about 5 years) were Mick
|> Mills, Colin Viljoen, and most of the rest of the team (whose names I've
|> forgotten).
|> 
|> BTW: I asked this once beforebut got no responses:  Could someone please let me
|> know the results of the forth round FA Cup matches between Chelsea - Everton
|> and Notts Forest - Hereford United.
|> 
|> 					Thanks in advance
|> 					Bill
|> __
|> 
|> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
|> Bill Phillips    AXWCP@ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU  %    Ipswich Town Football Club
|> User Consultant                          % 2nd Division Champions 1991-1992
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|> University of Alaska Anchorage           %            1992-1993  
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Hallvard Thoresen (great name ;-)) - captain on the norwegian national
team then (the man who sinked England in Norways 2-1 win in the 1981 world
cup qualifying match) and captain (?) on PSV Eindhoven played a 
scandinavian (i do not remember if he was supposed to be danish or norwegian
or whatever). also i think there were some other players from PSV in the
movie - maybe a dane or two ??
 
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From: james@HISOFT.COM (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Brazil: Can they be champions again?
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:45:49 GMT

->               They were also so damn close to being eliminated in the first
-> round in 1982 and 86.  In my opinion England is just not consistently good
-> enough to be a mega power.

Yep.  In 1982 they were so very close to being eliminated in the 
first round.  Why, they only won 3 of the 3 games!  Just think,
if they'd lost just three more games, they'd have been eliminated in
the first round!

I mean, giving up only 1 goal in 5 games, and not losing any of those
five, clearly proves that English players are rubbish...
From: aabnous@laguna.eng.uci.edu (Arthur Abnous)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Spanish results, PLEASE!
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:11:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: noiro.29E1E5DA.20291
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of California, Irvine


Could a kind soul *PLEASE* post the Spanish results.

Thanks a million,

Arthur Abnous
UC Irvine
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: High Scoring? (was Re: 1994 world cup...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:12:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: erg.1992Apr13.181253.14354
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Apr11.023027.271@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>Vlad writes stuff supporting the Soviet Union as a traditional power in soccer.
>
>
>
>*grin* 
>Sorry, I meant no offense by criticizing the USSR team. Just that growing up
>in the UK I never considered or perceived other people to consider the USSR
>a soccer power. 


Sure Dynamo has always had a good team--but then thats the
>only decent club team in the USSR. If any country loaded all their talent onto
>one team you can bet that team would be good. 

Not quite. Unlike hockey, USSR did not  load all their talent onto
one team in soccer. Sure Kiev was hte most successful and talented, but it
sure was not the only good team. Dynamo Moscow, Spartak, Torpedo, Dynamo
Tbilisi have also done very well. In fact, they made it to the finals of
European Cups several times, won national championships, etc.

>Even so Dynamo Kiev isnt a match
>for the great Italian, german, English,Dutch,Spanish,Brazillian,Argentinian
>etc teams? Are they?

Depends on when. Now that USSR is dead and all good Soviet players play in
England, Holland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, etc - no, Dynamo Kiev is
no match. However, in the mid 70s, when they won the European Supercup and
were voted the best team in all of sports in th eWorld, I would sure pity
any  Italian, german, English,Dutch,Spanish,Brazillian,Argentinian team
than bet their money on beating Kiev.

>And do most teams get upset if they draw the USSR in the world cup? Like they
>would for Brazil etc?

Sure, USSR was never as much of a threat as Brazil or Germany, but until
1978, people sure got more upset when they drew USSR than when they drew,
say, Argentina. Moreover, I bet most countries got more upset when drawing
USSR than when drawing your good old England. Thus, if you think that only
Brazil and Germany are "competitive" in soccer, then USSR is not. But if
you think that England is more or less "competitive" then you have to
consider USSR, Italy and others to be competitive too.

In fact your claim that USSR became competitve only in mid 80s makes no
sense. In reality, USSR in mid and late 80s was much less of a threat than it
was in the 60s and early 70s.

Vlad
From: CVBASMA@UMSVM.BITNET ("Khalil A. Basma")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: To Ian Storey-Moore
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:47:30 GMT


Hi there Ian!

    I am a Manchester United supporter for a long time now, and I read your
report on the Rumbelows Cup Final between United and N.Forest, and I must
admit that I was very impresed. With you being a Forest fan and everything,
you just told it the way it is. You are the kind of supporter that makes
this great sport more enjoyable.

    My words are exactly the same as yours. We all have our favoraite teams,
and we all wish that they would win evrything, but for us to enjoy the sport
more I agree with you 100% when you say may the best team win.

    According to your report, both teams did not play well, but still the
better team on the day won. So, for that, I wish to thank you on an excellent
report, because here at Mississippi (USA) where I go to school, football
or better known around here as "soccer" is not well appriciated. Your
report was the first I read about the game, which made me very happy after
knowing that the Red Devils finaly won this cup. However I was sad for you
scince Forest lost, but then again my new friend, that is the way it goes
when you have a winner, there must be a loser. But the bright side of it
is that there is always next season.

    Now I hope United can capture the Championship, and get the jinks of
thier backs. May be there will be many glories for United in the 90's.
I was sad to find out that skipper Brayn Robson was not able to play
because it would have been even sweeter if he had lifted the cup instead.

    Again thanks for a good report, and for being the ideal supporter.


Take care now,
Khalil, 4/15/92
e-mail: cvbasma@vm.cc.olemiss.edu

PS: I dont suppose you happen to know Uniteds mailing list. If you do,
    could you e-mail to me? Thaks a bunch.
'Khalil A. Basma     Ian                  4/15/92 Read Your Report
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Dutch competition, round 31.
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:49:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: GTE/SCSD


> PSV - Willem II 3-0
>     6' Popescu
>    51' Kalusha
>    74' Ellerman

I aws wondering if yo could give me some information on how
Ernie Stewart(the American) is doing for Willem II?

Andy
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:5123 soc.culture.spain:1275
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Spanish Championship, week 29
From: zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:41:25 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Hi y'all!

Here are the scores of week 29 of the Spanish championship, followed by the
standings. Sorry, I have no details of the games!


               WEEK # 29

 VALENCIA         OSASUNA         :1 - 2  :-(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
  Eloy             Urban (p.k.)
                   Merino (sp?)
  Giner of Valencia got a red card.

 LOGRONES         ALBACETE        :1 - 1
 BILBAO           REAL SOCIEDAD   :2 - 1
 TENERIFE         ATL MADRID      :0 - 1
 BARCELONE        DEPORTIVO       :4 - 1
 REAL MADRID      BURGOS          :2 - 0
 CADIX            OVIEDO          :3 - 1
 SEVILLE          ESPANOL         :2 - 1
 GIJON            MAJORQUE        :2 - 0
 VALLADOLID       SARAGOSSE       :0 - 0



 SPANISH CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS AFTER WEEK # 29:
 -----------------------------------------------


                                                    GOALS
     TEAM          POINTS GAMES  WON  TIED  LOST  FOR  AGAINST  DIFF
     ----          ------ -----  ---  ----  ----  ---  -------  ----

 1. REAL MADRID      43    29    19     5     5    59    22     +37
 2. BARCELONE        42    29    17     8     4    61    32     +29
 3. ATL MADRID       38    29    17     4     8    46    26     +20
 4. VALENCIA         34    29    14     6     9    42    32     +10
 5. ALBACETE         34    29    13     8     8    36    29     + 7
 6. GIJON            32    29    13     6    10    30    30      0
 7. REAL SOCIEDAD    32    29    12     8     9    30    30      0
 8. SEVILLE          31    29    12     7    10    41    32     + 9
 9. SARAGOSSE        31    29    12     7    10    30    28     + 2
10. LOGRONES         29    29    11     7    11    27    38    -11
11. BURGOS           28    29     9    10    10    27    28     -1
12. BILBAO           26    29    10     6    13    29    46    -17
13. OVIEDO           25    29     9     7    13    32    38     -6
14. OSASUNA          25    29     8     9    12    22    32    -10
15. TENERIFE         23    29     8     7    14    33    39     -6
16. DEPORTIVO        23    29     6    11    12    24    33     -9
17. VALLADOLID       22    29     6    10    13    25    35    -10
18. ESPANOL          22    29     8     6    15    29    42    -13
19. CADIX            21    29     6     9    14    25    39    -14
20. MAJORQUE         19    29     7     5    17    17    34    -17

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Ziad.