From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Credit (was: Re: : Yugoslavs - a non-existent nation.)
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:51:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

>In article <Dec.26.01.10.32.1992.9869@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>>>blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:
>>
>>>Somehow I sense a racist (strict definition of the word) tone to your 
>>>posting.  One question though Bill.  What happened to the Indian Nation
>>>in what is now the U.S.A.?  Alive and well it ain't.
>>
>>Bill probably has as much responsibility for the killing off the
>>American Indians, as you, Joe, have for the killing in the WWII and
>>now.
>>
>>Joe, this is a bit in the style: "attack is the best defence", ne?

>Ana, you missed the point of my posting.  My posting was a scarcastic
>response to Bill, intended to get people to reconsider the common
>opinion that "the people in the Balkans are inherently uncivilized,
>unlike us...etc etc".  I didn't prescribe anything.

Sorry, I missed the sarcasm. Apologies.

>>In the same vein, but much more ferrocious, some people are hoping
>>to "cover up" for the atrocities done by Ustashi (in the sense: not
>>all Croatians) in the WWII, by pointing to the more immediate
>>horrors done by the so called "serbian forces" (or Chetniks, if that

>They are??  Seems to me there are too many people (such as youself)
>willing to accept what happened 50 years ago during Nazi occupation
>of the Balkans as some sort of _CREDIT_ against atrocities being
>committed today and tomorrow.  You tell me which is more ferrocious!

In all fairness, I don't quite understand what you mean here. But
I must tell you that I have always thought that people can learn from
history, not misuse it. 

Why do you think that I "accept" what happened during WWII as a credit
against the atrocities today? I am appalled at what is going on
today. I am stricken by what is going on today! The only thing that
interests me is to stop the hatred which blinds everyone (almost).
A hatred toward nations, toward people who one doesn't even know
personally, and who never did anything wrong (in the sense of
criminal). I can feel the rage toward the perpetrators of the
atrocities today, myself. There is nothing, nothing to justify
them. 

But the history is being misused. It is as much a tool in the
propaganda of Milosevic & company, as it is a tool in the
propaganda of Tudjman and Bosnian leadership. Instead of 
LEARNING from history: seeing how dangerous it is to play with
national issues when one has a desperate, impoverished, angry
lied to, manipulated and betrayed people (as all Yugoslavs were
and are); the leaderships of all republics went straight ahead
KNOWING they are going straight into the war. This, for me, is
inexcusable, incompetent, criminal.

So why do you think that I accept the atrocities and the
Holocaust of the WWII as a credit for today's atrocities?
On the contrary!

>>I hope you don't really wish that the American Indians start the
>>war against US ALL here in the USA and Canada!

>No, see above.

>Sincerely,

>Joe Blazic

Happy Holidays and with one wish for the New 1993 Year:
Let's have

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Ana M. Shane                               pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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