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From: jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Loral Defense Systems Arizona
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.200109.17726@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.050313.13510@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
>>>You didn't respond to this. I'll ask again: do you claim there's a
>>>distinction between Scientology and other religions that "apply" their
>>>"truth" (or maybe "Truth") to the world around them? If so, what is that
>>>distinction?
>>
>>I personally might claim this, but it's not representational of the views of
>>Scientology, the Church of Scientology, or Scientologists.
>
>Are you saying there is a distinction or not? If so, what is the distinction?
>I'm asking for your personal opinion on this.

Yes, *I* (not Scn) would make this distinction.  The distinction *I* would
make would be: ease of application of Scn, potential understanding of Scn
in order to apply it, the potential effect of Scn application being greater
and more useful, etc.

>Also, I'm somewhat suprised that you don't feel you can represent Scientology
>on this question. It seems to me to be a fairly fundamental question. If there

I'm not a representative of Scientology, the Church of Scientology, or
Scientologists.  I represent myself on this newsgroup.  

>is indeed a religion that asserts to be all about what it means "to know,"
>this is something I darn well would want to know about it.

Read some of the Scientology books.  Then you'd know more about it.

>>>Does Scn make it impossible for you to answer yes-or-no to the question:
>>>Is LRH ever ambiguous in his writings and/or tapes?
>>
>>No, Scn doesn't make it impossible.  In fact, Scn increases an individual's
>>certainty on things.
>
>OK. Great. Can you answer the question: In what you have read/listened to, has
>LRH ever been ambiguous or contradictory? If *at all* possible, I request a
>yes-or-no answer to the question.

Okay, no, he hasn't.

>
>--phil

Jonathon
Barbera

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: erichill@microsoft.com (Eric Hill)
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 07 Nov 92 06:23:45 GMT
Organization: MICROSOFT MFG, 

In article <JNqqTB2w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org> hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.org (Bill Hardman) writes:
>> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>
>> In article <024mTB3w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org> hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.o
>>>
>> Then why are there ethics officers and ethics organizations if ethics is
>> completely self defined?  Would that mean that ethics are not reality ?
>> (reality being the agreement of thetans, of course).  
>
>This answer is self-explanitory.  There are levels of ethics
>awarness.  If a person is able to correctly identify the area that
>there is a problem in, there is no need for an ethics officer.  If
>that person has mis-applied, or failed to correctly identify the
>source of the area, then the ethics officer is used for guidance and
>intervention in area of conflict.  An ethics officer is not an
>'enforcer' in the context that they go around 'slapping hands' and
>looking for situations of transgression.  They are councelors in a
>specialized field.
>
Not true.  The "ethics" officer of any standardized group of 
scientologists looks over the compiled statistics of the group
and the output statistics of each individual in the group.
He or she then actively tracks down anyone who has statistics
lower than the preceeding week.  If the person being "handled"
by the "EO" does not show improved statistics they are soon
considered "ethics bait" and are then punished in accord with
"scientology ethics tech".  Which starts with the individual
having to write up thier private life for thier company.  
That creates conflict of interest for the groups management
and gives emotional and sometimes legal leverage to 
scientology over the individual.  This is an inherantly 
corrupt system.

Erichill

>Bill Hardman
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Volkmar.Grote@Stollmann.DE (Volkmar Grote)
Subject: Re: Scientology is good.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 01:26:50 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany
Originator: vg@sai1

jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:

| I've recently had several good experiences (wins) with Scientology where
| I was able to use (apply) it to help a couple of friends handle problems
| and improve their overall awareness of what's going on around them.
That is what I do with common sense and newspapers.

| Everything else aside, Scientology is usable and will produce good results
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Agreed!
| when applied correctly.
Just like Vick Vaporup, insectizides or fertilizer!

| It might not be real to you, but sure is real (and more so than ever before)
| to me.
Just like my hangover the other morning!

Isn't this defense of a company like Scientology, that claims to be everything,
but not a commercial enterprise, a bit thin? You "win" by "applying"
Scientology, many people over here loose their many and flats, because
your Co-Scientologist try to "win" with rather dubious methods.

| Jonathon
| Barbera
Volkmar
Grote
From: ph36@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology is good?? (mistake corrected)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:10:13 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Summary: YIPE!!! I erred:  125*4=500 not 1000

In article <1dhgl7INNraa@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> ph36@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk) writes:
>
>I want to find my PV.
...
>
>	PV = I*D^x
>	   = (125 I.Q. points)*(4)^1
>	PV = (1000 I.Q. points)
              ^^^^


YIPE!!!   sorry.  The correct answer is 

	PV = 500 I.Q. points

anyway... still a long way out!

Richard Nistuk       Fourth year physics student at U.B.C.
ph36@unixg.ubc.ca  (soon to be nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca)
From: gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr)
Subject: Re: Scientology and intelligence
Organization: gisle@ifi.uio.no
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:55:08 GMT
Originator: gisle@gyda.ifi.uio.no

In article <75LuTB1w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org> hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.org (Bill Hardman) writes:

> gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr) writes:
>> 1) is a blatant violation of standard scientific procedure -- that a
>> moderator with a vested interest in the outcome should be allowed full
>> control of the testing.

> This is a blatant false assertion.  Many "scientific" research
> organizations conduct testing on their procedures within their own
> organizations, and do not rely on external testing agencies to
> review their findings.  Standard scientific procedure varies from
> lab to lab.

Please re-read may assertion.  The key phrase is "vested interest".
_Most_ scientific research organizations aren't businesses who sell
the results of their research (whether it is programs to increase
intelligence or a cure for cancer) as products to a non-scientifically
trained public.

For the few scientific organizations whose research-results _are_
markedable products that are sold to the general public (e.g.  those
developing drugs and experimental medical treatments), standard
scientific procedure _is_ that external and independent testing is
carried out before the products are disseminated to the public.


> The Church uses a number of different tests.  It is not the same
> test given over and over.  If this occurs, it is against standard
> Chruch practices.

I only commented upon John Holifield's presentation of how the CoS
had conducted the IQ tests in his particular case.  John's own words
(which you deleted) was:

>> Unless you are suggesting that the test moderator changed the answers,
>> or gave a different test (which I assure you he didn't)

which clearly imply that the same test was re-used in re-testing.

I'll be happy to discuss a case where intelligence gain is achived and
testing is conducted according to "standard church practices" (which
-- I understand from your posting -- has been violated in John's
case).  I'll update my FAQ if you can you supply a source describing
such a case, the results achieved and testing procedures followed.  At
the moment, the _only_ case we have where we know something about the
testing procedures is the postings where John reports on his own
IQ-enhancement experience, and it is therefore the best documented
case we have for a FAQ on scientology and intelligence -- don't you
agree?
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera)
Subject: Re: "Scandal of Scientology"
Organization: Loral Defense Systems Arizona
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:01:28 GMT

In article <1dqfhfINNhr8@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> ph36@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.221753.18672@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
>rjk7m@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Richard John Kwiatkowski) writes:
>>   I find it very interesting that the majority of the
>>pro-scientology books available have been written by L.Ron Hubbard,
>
>  More interesting, I think, is the fact that he authoured a lot of the
>books _after_ he died!
>

Nope.  He wrote all of the books before I died.  If he's written any since
then it'd be big news to everyone (LRH returns).

Jonathon
Barbera
From: 9210466@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.inet92
Subject: test(ignore)
Date: 4 Nov 92 00:55:54 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

test...
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: The UNofficial pseudoFAQ for alt.tla
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:45:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <1992Nov9.113809.29419@alf.uib.no> edb57@bih.no  (Trond Wergeland) writes:

>Whats supposed to happen in this group?
>Where do I get the FAQ on this topic?

Frequently asked questions:  <null>  :-)

Might-be-frequently-asked-if-anyone-bothered-questions:

Q.  What is the group alt.tla for?

A.  Some say that "tla" is just "alt" backwards, and think that the
group is for palindromes or something.  Some think that it stands for
TLA (well known three letter abbreviation for "three letter
abbreviation").  And some claim that "Tla" is the name of an ancient
Aztec diety.  But nobody seems to know for sure.  :-)

Q.  What is supposed to happen in this group?

A.  Well, people are supposed to post messages, but nobody is sure what
to post about or why.  Personally, I'd like to see another discussion of
cheese start up here.  :-)

Q.  Where do I get the FAQ?

A.  Well, you could make one up.  That's what I did.  :-)

Q.  So if nobody posts, and nobody knows what's up, why is the group
here?

A.  Because someone created it, and once created, alt heirarchy groups
never seem to die.

Q.  What is the capital of Botswanaland?

A.  That's an off-topic question!!  Flame, flame flame!!  :-)

Q.  What's more fun than palindromes?

A.  Failed palindromes!!  :-)

    Madam, I'm Abel.
    A man, a plan, a canal, Suez!
    Able was I, ere I saw Waterloo.

Q.  What do palindromes, failed or otherwise, have to do with three
letter abbreviations?!?  Take this crap to a more appropriate newsgroup,
flame, flame, flame!

A.  May the great God Tla rip your lungs out and hang them from a high tree!
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Newsgroups: alt.tla
From: edb57@bih.no
 (Trond Wergeland)
Subject: SurfsUp
Organization: Bergen College of Engineering, Bergen, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 11:38:09 GMT

Whats supposed to happen in this group?
Where do I get the FAQ on this topic?
From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: John Jay Hooker and the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:38:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Tennessee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu
Keywords: where is he now?

> There was another prominent Knoxville business man
> The name is familiar but I can't place it.

does the name butcher ring a bell?

-- 
mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
department of computer science, university of tennessee
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:09:30 EST
From: Richard E. Lynch <RICH@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: A West Virginian (was Re: West Virginia Yankee)

I grew up in Beckley WVa (actually it was Sprague WVa, A coal camp in
the Beckley area). I moved to Morgantown WVa about 17 yrs ago. We return
home 10+ times a yr and travel I-79 and US 19 through Summersville. US
19 has grown up considerably over the last few yrs. There are several
motels, stores and gas stations now! US19 has had many sections upgraded
to fours lanes and it's a very busy road today. When I first moved to
Morgantown the New River Gorge bridge hadn't been finished yet and it
took over 4 hrs. to make the trip. Now that the bridge is completed it
takes about 3 hrs. We use to drive down and up a very narrow two/single
lane road through Fayette Station which added the hour to the trip. This
was truly a classic WVa road with "kiss your a*s" turns like you
wouldn't believe. It was straight up on one side on straight down on the
other with no guard rails or anything.  A few times we even had to turn
around and go another way because of rock slides blocking the road. It
was a real treat in the Winter with 6+ inches of snow. Whoooo... gives me
chills just thinking about it.

BTW... I have two sons. One is 6 yrs old and the other is 3 yrs old. They
both refer to their grandparents as Mawmaw and Pawpaw.

Rich
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving at Mamaw's
Followup-To: alt.appalachian
Summary: Mmmmmmmm, MM!  Yeah bud!
Keywords: breakfast
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.122718.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> mcmill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
>
>
>	Good news!  The whole family is headed down to Harlen county for
>Thanksgiving.  We have decided to go to Mamaw's (who lives on Forrester's Creek

	Hey, we'll practically be next door to each other!  Well, not really,
but I will be in Middlesboro, which ain't that far from Harlan!

>just around the hill fron Coldiron and Eeffy Blanton's huge nasty coal pile)
>and do things "the old timey way", as Mamaw says it.  Meaning that we are going
>to do the whole thing on her coal/wood stove.  Yes, one of those old ones that
>you could feed the whole union army (or one Marine Corps recruit battalion)
>with.  
>
>	This does two things: 1) It pleases Mamaw
>			      2) It makes the whole trip just that much more
>interesting.
>	Don't get the wrong idea, Mamaw has a General Electric stove as well,
>but she still uses her big stove.
>
>	An added bonus! This means at least three mornings waking up to biscuts
>and gravey.  This is especialy good news for me, because I usually don't have
>time to even think about breakfast.  Even if I have to fight Uncle Junior and
>Billy Ray for my rightful share this still works out to a good deal.  (Maybe I
>can trick them into talking politics while I get a head start!)
>
>	Anyway, have a happy Thanksgiving you all.  
>


	I thank you kindly, and make sure that you have biscuits with butter
and LOTS of black-strap mollasses!  Either that, or a little dab of apple
butter!  Also, see if your Mamaw will make one of those things my mom calls
"stack cake," which is layers of biscuit dough, baked, alternating with
cooked apples.  Man!  Good eatin' !


	Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, and to everyone reading!  (I haven't
gotten any specific recipe requests, but I'll try to bring back what I can
from my Mom.  She said she doesn't know how to write a recipe from what she
does, so I'll try to be very observant and attentive!)

	Cap.


>


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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove)
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Summary: Bubba is a diminutive of brother
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:51:39 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: Bubba colloquial language
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1dod3jINNt9b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>And also "Bubba" may come from the German "Bube" (umlaut over U)
>meaning boy or young feller.

It's my understanding that bubba is a diminutive of brother.  The much rarer
female equivalent is itty for sister.  

Bubba is common to the entire SE US from Virginia to Texas.  Over the last
century it has acquired a perjorative connotation, which I think is a shame.  
I had a great-uncle, whom we called Bubba, and he had none of the stereotypical 
traits associated with the name, except being from the South.  I also had an 
aunt Itty.

Richard Hargrove
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From: jk7g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Mark Kalafat)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: West Virginia Yankee
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:11:45 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.appalachian: 31-Oct-92 Re: West Virginia
Yankee by Michael P. Colburn@dartm 
> believe.  This road takes you through some nice country...Buchannon,
> Elkins, past Seneca Rocks and Spruce Knob.  I used to work at what used

    It sure is nice to hear someone speak of Buckhannon, especially in a
good way.  I grew up in Upshur county about three miles out of town.  It
is beautiful country, with lush hills and Audra State Park nearby.  My
fondest memories from high school are hanging out on the Sago Road next
to the "mighty" Buckhannon River.  If you've ever read Machine Dreams (I
forget the author) you know just the spot I'm talking about.  There is
also an old song (maybe by Chicago, but don't hold me to that) called
"Ballad to a Girl in Buchannon".  Yes, the musicians spelled the name
wrong, but it still is about my hometown.  
    Please tell anything you know about Buckhannon, I'd love to hear
what people think.


Jason Kalafat
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA

e-mail: jk7g+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: mcmill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Thanksgiving at Mamaw's
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:27:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville




	Good news!  The whole family is headed down to Harlen county for
Thanksgiving.  We have decided to go to Mamaw's (who lives on Forrester's Creek
just around the hill fron Coldiron and Eeffy Blanton's huge nasty coal pile)
and do things "the old timey way", as Mamaw says it.  Meaning that we are going
to do the whole thing on her coal/wood stove.  Yes, one of those old ones that
you could feed the whole union army (or one Marine Corps recruit battalion)
with.  

	This does two things: 1) It pleases Mamaw
			      2) It makes the whole trip just that much more
interesting.
	Don't get the wrong idea, Mamaw has a General Electric stove as well,
but she still uses her big stove.

	An added bonus! This means at least three mornings waking up to biscuts
and gravey.  This is especialy good news for me, because I usually don't have
time to even think about breakfast.  Even if I have to fight Uncle Junior and
Billy Ray for my rightful share this still works out to a good deal.  (Maybe I
can trick them into talking politics while I get a head start!)

	Anyway, have a happy Thanksgiving you all.  


Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley)
Subject: Re: John Jay Hooker and the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair
Keywords: where is he now?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:30:51 GMT

In article <lfl4c8INNjd3@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston) writes:
>> There was another prominent Knoxville business man
>> The name is familiar but I can't place it.
>
>does the name butcher ring a bell?
>

YES!  HE'S THE ONE!  It's been so long since I heard that name (although
not long enough).  Jake Butcher; it's funny how your mind actually does
surpress those ugly thoughts!

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From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Mad Butcher (was WV Yankee)
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:03:04 -0500

I spent three summers near the town of  Amity, Pennsylvania in the mid-1970's.
Amity is in southern Washington County, PA, which is not far from the WV
border.  There was a ruin of a cabin in the woods outside of town that was
known as 'Mad Butcher's Cabin.'  Could the Mad Butcher be a common motif 
in Appalachian folklore?
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: harry@cs.tu-berlin.de (Harald Brinkmann)
Subject: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:52:01 GMT

RICH@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Richard E. Lynch) writes:

> BTW... I have two sons. One is 6 yrs old and the other is 3 yrs old. They
> both refer to their grandparents as Mawmaw and Pawpaw.

This reminds me of the German pronounciation of Mama and Papa. Does
anyone know, whether this may actually BE the origin?

  Harald

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA