HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Moots suspension (was MTBs in $1500-$2700 range < ACTUAL opinion)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:16:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <102520011@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>
>I think by far and away the most *elegant* rear suspension is the Moots
>titanium or the Merlin titanium with non-hinged (conventional) chainstays 
>and a urethane bumper shock in the monostay, with 2" of travel.  
>Chainstay flex accomodates the travel of the monostay shock.
>At a first glance, you can't even tell the bicycle has a rear suspension.
>(This is the same suspension Eric House asked about for road bikes).

I went out to visit the Moots factory last weekend to check out their road
frames (my local shop only has the mt. bike frameset so I couldn't test ride
one) and to be measured for a custom frame.  It was a fun trip; the fact that
I couldn't test ride anything was almost made up for by getting to spend an
entire day on snowshoes (my first.)

Anyway, I learned a bit more about the Moots rear suspension, and so ought
to correct the misinformation I posted before.  I said that it added only
about 2 ozs to the frame, when in fact the figure is probably closer to 6.
What the shop told me, and I posted here, about how the suspension works was
incomplete.  I said that there was nothing in the monostay to limit travel
(and Keith says there's a urethane bumper), but in fact there's a stout
steel spring.  (I'd rather they used a bumper, but heck.)

I still agree with Keith that it's the most elegant design out there, and
is certainly the only one you could get away with putting on a nice road
bike without making it feel like a tank.  Whether I'll actually order one
is still up in the air, though Moots has offered to let me borrow a frame
for an extended test ride *after* I've paid for mine (but before it's
built).  Problem is, Bridgestone's '93 RB-1 has everything I want in a frame
(except for Ti :-) at a *much* better price.
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RAAM in '93?		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.fitness
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Winter Warmth: Lycra Vs. Everything else
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:15:34 GMT

In article <BxGx9z.Cuw@access.digex.com> steveg@access.digex.com (Stephen Grant) writes:
>Does lycra (such as the
>running and cycling tights - both long and short) have any
>distinct warmth advantages? Is it warmer than average materials
>such as sweats and those nylon running suits? Would lycra
>be acceptable as an outdoor 'warmer', or should it be used
>in conjuction with something else?

Wow. Lycra has no insulating properties to speak of. It does, however,
have a prety good wind resistance. I wear a lycra jersey under my
winter stuff to keep the sweat from being frozen to my skin on very
cold rides. After lots of experiments I find that it works well.
>
From: cs92mjd@cen.ex.ac.uk (M.J.Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: merits of hypothetical $3000 bikes
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:50:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <1992Nov10.145350.12068@waikato.ac.nz> jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>   Only when the riders are equal in skill,  strength,  fitness and tactics does
>   the bike play such a large part in the end result (although someone's bound to
>   come up with extreme examples to counter this).

Who cares about the result? There is a pleasure in owning and riding an 
expensive bike that is unmatched. I don't win races, don't even come close, 
but its _fun_! Admittedly it'd be nearly as much fun with a cheapo bike, but
the fact that my bike was built up by me over a period of two-and-a-half 
years makes it kind of unique and special to me. And no, it's not about
posing, 'cos it looks the same as all the others when it's covered in mud and 
other assorted gunk. Having said all this, I'd rather ride a well-sorted and
maitained $400 (currency for the benefit of US readers) bike than the sort
of $3000 bike with ropey shifting, non-functional brakes and creaky bearings.
There does seem to be a worrying tendency for people to slap down 3grand on
a bike all at once, then never look after it, ride it properly etc. The number
of badly set-up ultra-trick bikes I've seen about the place is distressing.

Even more so if they beat you ;-)


Mikey D

--




"Ride and find where all the freedom has gone..."

Michael J. Davis          |   cs92mjd@ac.uk.ex.cen
Dept of Computer Science  |   cs92mjd@cen.ex.uk.ac
University of Exeter      |
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: looking for GIF pictures
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:22:13 GMT

I am looking for some on-line bicycling pictures (real(TM) people, no
models, of course). GIF format would be nice, but not essential. Is there
an ftp site or something of the sort with some good pictures. I would like
to use them as background on my X-terminal (selecting one at random at the
start of each session).

THx, Javier.
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Where to get Reflective Tape?
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:09:11 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

Where the heck are the good places (read:cheap!) to find reflective tape?  I
will be riding at night and I would like to get some so that I need not worry
too much about riding at dusk/night.........

Thanks,

-Mike-
From: chrisv@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestions for attaching rear brake to a track frame?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:35:56 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

Paul Gatker writes:
> What are the best ways to attach a brake to the rear of a track frame?
>
> I don't want to drill a hole in my front fork (although I'm slightly
>tempted as the bike is for training 

Go ahead and drill the fork - if you only have one brake it should
be the front.  A front brake has far more stopping power than a rear.
Plus you won't have to worry about cable routing - your track bike
presumably doesn't have cable guide braze-ons.

You can slow/stop a fixed gear by resisting the pedals but it's 
a little hard on the knees.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: UHHH, Good God Y'all
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:37:19 GMT

In article <1e0sdvINN9dc@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
>   How true.  The worst thing is needing six killfiles for
>Mr. BRANDT_JOBST.  With no bicycle groups, I wouldn't need
>*any*!

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to put
Jobst in a kill file. I enjoy every one of his posts, especially his
ride reports, and can always skip over the occassional liverish reply.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Speed from MTB to Road.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:40:16 GMT

I am curious, what kind of speed improvment can I expect if I switch to a road
bike. I am currently riding a MTB and I can average about 18 mph for 1 hr.
(Or 12.5 mph when loaded and riding 2 hrs over slightly hilly terrain.) I'm
not looking for absolute numbers and all the dependents. But I will fill in the
following: Age 31, weight 164, Height 5'9" (small build), strong legs, decent
climber, small build (muscle wise). I'm not racer but I've been putting on the
mileage.

NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Joseph R. Pitts)
Subject: New Bike (Mt. Bike?) Magazine
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 16:37:28 GMT

For a couple of months now I've been catching bits and pieces
about a new mag to hit the streets...soon! Anybody know
anything more ??? The latest I've seen has been John Olsen's
leaving Mountian Biking Mag for this aledged new thang.
		anybody????
		Thanks,
		Joe


******

My Opinions are.
*******
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: More handwaving about the "myth of NiCad memory"
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:34:04 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
> 
> Any chemists or experts who actually know what is going on feel free
> to jump in at any time.  I'm just trying to remember what I've read
> about NiCads in the past.
> 
> Jim


    I'm not a chemist or an expert, but I tell you what an applications
engineer from SAFT, a maker of NiCad batteries told me when I was looking
into the problem. It turns out that the vast majority of NiCad batteries
exhibit the behavior that Jim describes. As much as possible, you should
allow the NiCad to run down to below 1.0V per cell before you recharge
them. This goes a long way to insure that you will be able to extract the
full amount of charge on the next discharge cycle. Also, overcharging
is a good way to shorten the life of the battery. A NiCad is fully 
charged when:

         1- The temperature of the cell starts to rise quickly, or
         2- The voltage starts to drop with continued charging.

     What is interesting is that you can get NiCads that are immune to the
discharge before charging problem ( not overcharging ). The problem comes
about due to the battery's manufacturing process, not the chemistry of
NiCad storage. SAFT uses a new process for certain of their NiCad's that don't
seem to have a charge memory effect. Batteries which do exhibit this effect
are manufactured by a process called "sintered electrodes". Also, these
batteries are susceptible to internal shorts that occur when the sintered 
electrodes grow "whiskers" between the plates. If you've ever ZAPPED a
dead NiCad to try to restore it, you were burning off the internal whisker.

     In general, these new process batteries are not available to consumer
applications. I've played with "C" cell samples of them that were 2400 mA hr
capacity. The best "C" batteries that I've seen  were 2800 mA hr ones from
Sanyo, but these were sintered electrode types.

                                                           Arnie
 
-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@col.hp.com
Telnet 719-590-5642
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: New Bike (Mt. Bike?) Magazine
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:09:06 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <1992Nov09.163728.21116@norfolk.vak12ed.edu> jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Joseph R. Pitts) writes:
>For a couple of months now I've been catching bits and pieces
>about a new mag to hit the streets...soon! Anybody know
>anything more ??? The latest I've seen has been John Olsen's
>leaving Mountian Biking Mag for this aledged new thang.

The magazine in question is called _The Bike_.  They were supposed
debut their first issue at the Anaheim Interbike show (in September).
They did not get the funding in-time, so the first issue has yet to
materialize.  As far as I know, they are still trying to get the
necessary funding.

Olsen was to be one of the higher-ups at _The Bike_, but is now
"writing" for _Bicycling_.  It will be interesting to see how
long their relationship lasts.

Doug Roosa (former Technical Editor for _Bicycle Guide_) was also
involved with _The Bike_.  Although I like Olsen's writing, Roosa
is one of my personal favorites; so I hope he hooks up with some
other publication RSN.

With _Bicycle Guide_ losing nearly all of its staff, and _Bicycling_
being the "leader" of the cycling press, all we can do is hope for
_The Bike_ to come to press.

>		anybody????
>		Joe


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: phuar@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr T Moxey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: info--help
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: chervil.csv.warwick.ac.uk


I am a physics undergraduate, and am currently up to my neck in trouble. I am
doing a project on the physics of bikes and am particularly looking into the
aerodynamics of wheels ( eg the specialized one etc) and the handlebars. I work
in a triathlon shop here in the UK, but even with this advantage I cannot seem to
get any DECENT hard info on these products, The UK might as well be a different
planet as far as getting getting reports is concerned. If you have any
information, or any email addresses of companies, then I would be very grateful
if you would email them to me. Many thanks,


                                Tim Moxey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: emergency flat repair observed
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:57:38 GMT

Since there has been discussion/flaming on the subject
before, I thought I'd note that this weekend I almost saw
first-hand the classic "stuff a tire with grass" technique.

I say "almost" because the guy whose tube I replaced had
used moss and ferns, not grass, to stuff his mountain bike's
front tire after getting an unpatchable flat.  I asked him
about it, and he said moss and ferns were much more
convenient than grass, since they come in bigger pieces and
don't compress quite as much under load.

Still, it's hardly what I want in my front tire when
cornering on rocky single track trails.
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Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1202 rec.bicycles.rides:397 rec.bicycles.soc:917
From: ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Honking (was Re: Bikist Takes Revenge For a Change)
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:13:39 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

: When I am really moving, the wind in my ears is so loud that I can't hear
: a car right behind me. Now THAT is when you can get rattled by a loud
: horn

Get yourself a rear-view mirror then...You wont be rattled, because you'll
have already noticed the car behind you.  That way you don't have to HEAR
them...you'll SEE them.

That is...unless you're moving faster than light-speed.  :)

--
ericj@eskimo.celestial.com - "Tao never makes any ado,
                              Yet it does everything." - Lao Tzu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: sacks@spartan.mv.us.adobe.com (Joel Sacks)
Subject: Lowrider front racks with full-size panniers
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:40:22 GMT

I plan on doing some bike touring next year on a tandem.  One quickly figures
out that a tandem has rougly half the carrying capacity of a single bike as
far as luggage goes, so one option I'm considering is putting full-size rear
panniers on the front, and storing the lightest, bulkiest things there (fleece
jackets, windbreakers, aluminum pot etc).  First, is this physically possible
(with or without lowrider racks), and second, is it a good idea?  I've heard
some people say that the front rack should be heaviest, but this doesn't make
sense to me, and the majority of opinions I've heard say to keep the front end
lighter.  I guess I'm also open to suggestions about the lowrider concept,
since again I've heard differing opinions.  Thanks for any info any of you can
provide.  Experience with tandems especially appreciated.
--
-Joel Sacks				sacks@mv.us.adobe.com
Adobe Systems Inc.			...!decwrl!adobe!sacks
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Broken cogs
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:46:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5505
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <0dYq02Eg29fH01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:

>
>Geez. I've *never* heard of anyone breaking cog teeth. Do you have 
>bionic legs or just crash a lot? ;)
>

I've broken cog teeth.  Old Suntour Winner 5spd freewheels.  It's not a real
fun thing to have happen.

Jim
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1253 rec.bicycles.tech:1936
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:55:49 EST
From: Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Cannondale vs. Trek

   I'm considering purchasing a 1987 Cannondale racing bike with a 3.0
frame, however, I'm unfamiliar with the Cannondale line during
that time period.  The bike I'm looking at is 62cm and $400
   I'm also looking at a 1991 Trek 1100 62cm bike. The price for
the Trek is also $400.
   While I realize that these aren't the best bikes to directly
compare (the Trek has a 3-ring system), I was wondering what
everyone thought.  Is the quality comparable ?  All things being
equal, I'm leaning towards the Cannondale, basically because of
the great look of the oversized tubing.  Pretty vain, huh ?
Well, if you have the time, I would love to hear your opinions.
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From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Suggestions for attaching rear brake to a track frame?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:32:44 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

 What are the best ways to attach a brake to the rear of a track frame?
Are there any available mounts? Easy techniques to attach it?

 I don't want to drill a hole in my front fork (although I'm slightly
tempted as the bike is for training and I have minimal intention of riding
it on a track-- except maybe a pursuit during the states).

 Thanks for ideas!


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From: bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Need a better sprint? Legal substances, no hassles
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:42:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx8278.9I1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

praetzel@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>  The question is what happens if you artifically bump up your PCr levels
>before an event.  Oral ingestion of 20 g/day for 4 days will bring up your
>  Does it work?  Yes in a double blind there was a noticable increase.
>  Are there side effects?  I don't know.  I don't now anything about organics
>    yet and am not sure where you could get some Creatine to eat.  You do get
>    a fair bit of it in your daily food (100mg I think).

   *******
   ..point of information.  do you mean 'creatinine'?  what's the RDA?
   what kinds of food are richest in this (?I assume?) vitamin?

   also, since 20g is more than two orders of magnitude more than the
   amount you talk about getting from your diet, are there any effects
   to watch out for lest ya 'tox out' (e.g. analogous to the effects of
   massive doses of vitamin A or other things that are helpful only w/in
   a range of dosages, and do not conform to a "if a little's good, a lot's
   better" curve?)?  is this kind of PCr 'loading' of the muscle tissue
   really any more effective than a pint (or so) of good, strong coffee?

   bruce
From: jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: re: merits of hypothetical $3000 bikes
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>>yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>Also, to the intelligent bike thief (if there is such an animal) the
>brand new $3000 bike is more attractive than the $700 bike or the $100
>klunker.

I suppose *that* would be the case if the $3000 bike owner is stupid
enough to trust his $3000 mount to a lock + bike rack.  I would also
suppose that owners of $3000 bikes are intelligent enough to use less 
expensive bikes (maybe even $100 klunkers) for commuting purposes.

>What is it that you see in this theoretical $3000 bike?  Is it beauty?
>Ease of use? Quality?  Speed?  

Someone else (i think Terry) summed it up perfectly: **It's neat**

>If it is the latter, then I challenge you to a race with my 
>bike  (the winner gets both bikes :-)) 

Now, *what* would YOU do with a $3000 bike that you think you will
get out of this?  Why would you want it?

>If you must know, I ride a $100 klunker.

That's nice.  Am I suppose to be impressed?

I admit I can't identify with klunkers.  I don't commute on a klunker but
a 1971 Peugeot UO-8. That bike is probably worthless to others, but priceless
to me.  You see, it was my very *first* real "10 sp".  It has take
me through >20 years of riding, and hopefully many more years to come.
And, no, I won't race you with my Peugeot.  I won't know what to do
with your klunker if I win.  Your klunker is just a klunker.

I don't have a $3000 bike, tho I wish I have the $$ to spend on one.  And,
no, I won't race you even if I have a $3000 bike. I feel no need to prove
my cycling skills to you or anyone else.  I do, however, have a $1500 bike.
And, no, I won't race you on that one either.  I ride it for the sheer
pleasure of riding a fine bicycle that is built and fitted to my own taste.

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From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: Where to get Reflective Tape?
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:10:39 GMT

From article <1992Nov7.100911.6211@gw.wmich.edu>, by x90watz@gw.wmich.edu:
> Where the heck are the good places (read:cheap!) to find reflective tape?  I
> will be riding at night and I would like to get some so that I need not worry
> too much about riding at dusk/night.........
> 
What do you mean by "cheap"?  I get mine from places like Woolworth's, for
about $1.79 for ~30".  Seems kind of steep for the amount you get, but it's
far less expensive than other "reflective solutions" I've seen.

Dave

> Thanks,
> 
> -Mike-