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From:  (David Ingham)
Subject: Re: Amber: Triumphant Conclusion?!
Organization: Beer R Us
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:19:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written

In article <1993Jan6.191635.29851@mail.cornell.edu>,
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan6.141031.23013@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, baps0@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nicole Marie Craig) writes:
> |> Sorry I know this has been done to death but I've only just read a copy
> |> of Prince of Chaos - the american import with the words THE TRIUMPHANT
> |> CONCLUSION TO THE AMBER SERIES written in large letters on the cover.
> |> 
> |> I only have one thing to say.
> |> 
> |> HAH,TRIUMPHANT CONCLUSION MY *!@*.
> |> 
> |> where's the next book? I don't want all the details wrapped up - well I
> |> do but I'll settle for most of them. Please, please grovel, grovel etc.
> 
> Happy happy joy joy.  I'm not the only person out here who felt that the "conclusion"
> to the Amber series concluded nothing but the book.
> 
> A certain long-awaited reunion was pointless (except the teasers got my wife to
> read the "new" Amber.  The plot was at best silly.

There was a plot in this book???

> 
> Bleh.

More like Barf :)  Gets my vote for worst sequel of the year.
 
> 
> -- 
> 73 de David Weingart  KB2CWF    In the event I am captured or killed, the
> phydeaux@cumc.cornell.edu       Cornell University Medical College and the
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From: rogrif@SNLL-ARPAGW.LLNL.GOV (griffith richard o)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Dave Duncan
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:12:58 GMT

Greetings!

I am most of the way through "The Reaver Road" by Dave Duncan, and I just
can't restrain myself:  is it just me, or does he seem to be getting better
and better?  It seems that each time I read something new from him, I like
it more than the previous work.  Does anyone else feel this way, or am I
being insidiously and progressively brainwashed?

richard griffith
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: SF starter kit
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:24:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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A friend of mine recently asked me for 7-10 books that would give a
good overview of science-fiction. I haven't really read that much SF,
but managed to comb through my memory to suggest these titles to her:-

_Dune_, by Frank Herbert. SF as an anthropology of the amazing. =)

_Foundation_, by Isaac Asimov. Had to include the good doctor somewhere...

_Neuromancer_, by William Gibson. As an intro to the cyberpunk genre.

_Stranger_In_A_Strange_Land_, by Robert Heinlein. 

_Flowers_For_Algernon_, by ??. SF as an exploration of the human psyche.

I also suggested she pick up _The_Essential_Ellison_, and a Connie Willis
anthology. As you can see, this isn't the best list, so to the more seasoned
readers out there, could u help me out? What books would you suggest as a
primer for those interested in SF? It's not a "The Best Of.." list,
what she wants are a group of books that give an overview of what can be
considered to be good SCIENCE fiction. 

After reading a few of the books I reccomended, ( she was very impressed by
_Dune_, but staggered through _Neuromancer_ ) she asked me about the various
categories in SF, and I told her it was impossible to classify them into neat
little groups, but in general, I said some possible categories were Military
SF, Hard SF, Cyberpunk and Alternative Histories. She asked me for some more
reccomendations, especially for books in the Military SF and Alternative 
Histories category. However, my knowledge of those in the former is near to
zero, and that of the latter almost as bad. So I could appreciate some help,
as well in identifying other categories in SF I am sure I missed out.

Since I am the culprit of this suggestion for SF primer kits, I will try
to keep up with all replies and possibly compile them into a FAQ thingie,
similar to the starter kit suggestions in the rec.music.classical FAQ.

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Chua
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From: mkr@fid.morgan.com (Mike Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: KSRobinson _Red Mars_... When?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:26:23 GMT

In article <C0G9L3.MwM@panix.com> pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden) writes:
>However, I don't mind saying that it's out from Bantam this very month, in
>simultaneous hardcover & trade pb.....

but just try to find it in hardcover...i have been to 6 major bookstores in
new york city. not one had the hardcover. only one admitted that a hardcover
even existed. i'm afraid that the increasing practice of releasing simultaneous
hardcover & trade pb editions is flawed. bookstores seem to have the opinion
that they may as well only order the pb, since no one wants to pay up for
a hardcover science fiction novel. i would be interested to here what our friends
in publishing think about this.

mike rosenberg
mkr@fid.morgan.com

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From: phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart)
Subject: Re: Capitol S.F.?
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Organization: CUMC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:11:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.025854.3115@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
|>  Can anyone give me the names of fantasy or science fiction books set in
|> Washington, D.C.?

How about "The Congressional Record"

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From: mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: King of Sartar!
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:43:58 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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	I am almost all the way through a "book" called _King of Sartar_
by Greg Stafford.  It is fantastic!  The idea is that it is a collection
of manuscripts dealing with Argrath, an ancient hero, by a scholar who is
attempting to figure out the truth behind the legend.  It is set in
the fantasy world of Glorantha, the setting of the Runequest role playing
game, which is an unbelievably complex background, yet Stafford is able to 
make it understandable to people who do not play Runequest (like me).
	This is not some dippy little "rpg fiction" book, but IMHO it is
a major work of fantasy, comparable to the works of Dunsany and Tolkien,
although very different in content and scope.  If you are interested in 
reading some really good, imaginative, and interesting fantasy, you should
read this book.
	Finally, some new fantasy I can be happy about!
From: jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Start alt.fantasy-- was Who killed SF?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:05:58 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

A while ago, there was an acrimonious negation of the idea that the fantasy
people should split off SF-lovers. I thought, "Oh good, all the people who
think fantasy readers should go away have graduated, and I can browse this
list in relative peace." However, it seems the Science Fiction Inquisitors are
back.  Shall we retire to another newsgroup?
-- 
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
The butterfly upon the road Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling
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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Subject: Re: KSRobinson _Red Mars_... When?
Organization: fwa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:53:22 GMT


Actually, Evelyn, my understanding from Stan is that the novella "Green
Mars" will not be part of the trilogy.  It will remain forever as a source
of bibliographic confusion.  <g>

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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: The Gripping Hand By Larry Niven And Jerry Pournelle
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:07:15 GMT

In article <726713445.AA04747@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Dyer-bennet@f0.n727.z0.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet) writes:
> Al> My problem with Niven/Pournelle, as
> Al> evidenced in LUCIFER'S HAMMER and MOTE IN
> Al> GOD'S EYE, is that they always manage to torture or torture/murder women
>in
> Al> these books with a little too much loving
> Al> detail.
>
>Even after you mention it, I can't remeber one single example in the
>books you mention.  What woman dies, at all, in Mote?  Let alone at
>all graphically.

Well, there's the Motie engineer on board the MacArthur... she
*slowly* wastes away, howling, losing fur in patches... and dies alone
and unmourned. And she was female at the time.

Was that it?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: mb7@ukc.ac.uk (M.Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:17:53 GMT
Reply-To: mb7@ukc.ac.uk (M.Bloom)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1993Jan6.100145.26564@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.092912.21804@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood) writes:
>|> In article <TOMW.93Jan5214525@orac.asd.sgi.com>, tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein) writes:
>|> |> In article <YAMAUCHI.93Jan5134817@yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu>, yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>|> |> 
>|> |> > Does anyone know whether a sequel to Orson Scott Card's _Xenocide_ is
>|> |> > planned, and if so, when it is expected to be published?
>|> |> 
>|> |> I certainly hope not.
>|> 
>|> Why not ?
>
>My unposted response to this question was exactly the same as Tom's
>posted one. The story has come to an end. The plot elements have been 
>resolved. There is even a kind of reconciliation between Peter and
>Ender, because although he isn't Peter, Peter seems to be derivable
>from (a subset of?) Ender's subconcious. From here, a sequel could 
>only go downhill, and would be a sure sign that Card had lost it. 
>
>On reflection, Brian's original question is phrased such that he
>might not be aware of Ender's Game and Speaker For The Dead,
>without which Xenocide is not complete.
>



I posted a similar question a while back, and received this
reply on the net:

In article <195c9nINNgjf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
>
>OSC's new Ender book, which is still being written, has the
>working title _Ender's Children_. Card promises that Ender Wiggin
>will be 100% dead by the time you reach end flap.

It seems that a 4th Ender book will be out soon, then?

Mark
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Niven a misogynist?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:35:28 GMT

jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:
>>Kdatlyano, Tnuctipun, Outsiders, Bandersnatchi, Martians: Insufficient
>>data. We don't even know that they have two sexes.
>>
>Bandersnatchi are axuasexual and reproduce by budding.  This is
>mentioned in World of Praaves(spelling?) when Greenberg who
>thinks he's Kanzol (again spelling?) and using K's memories
>points out the budding organs while watching a video sent 9 LY
>from Jinx of a Bandersnatchi being cut up.  

So Niven is a misoaxuasexualist pig!
-- 
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Subject: Re: Covenant/LotR parallels?
From: agapow@latcs1.lat.oz.au (p-m agapow)
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:36:23 GMT
Organization: Calvin Coolidge Home for Dead Biologists

As a side note, when i was reading Covenant, i was struck by the
similarities to the Amber series. Whilst there may be nothing to it, the
ethical problems at the heart of the two series have a lot in common : are
the mythical lands created by our hero(es)? What responsibility do they
have towards them? And so on ...

p-m
From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:48:17
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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Does anyone know whether a sequel to Orson Scott Card's _Xenocide_ is
planned, and if so, when it is expected to be published?

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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Subject: Re: Simmons' Shrike (spoilers)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:37:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Instrumentality
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

On a related topic (I think): I recently read Kim S. Robinson's _Icehenge_.
In this book, one of the characters has the nickname "Shrike". (It's the
archaeologist's politician friend/lover.) Is this a veiled reference to
Simmon's Shrike, or does this name have some other meanings that I'm
missing?






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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:47:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1433@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pjhst10+@pitt.edu (Peter   J Hill) writes:
>I think that there are many things that could be tied up in a sequel.  The
>government is still scared as hell of the Descolada. What about the hive
>queen and the piggies wanting to found there own colonies. Just as I think
>that a sequel to alien is possible, since you do not need Ripley to have
>a movie about the aliens, You do not need Ender to talk about Card's 
>universe.
>
>pjhst10+@pitt.edu


Not to mention Peter taking over Starways Congress, I'd love to see
some of that in more detail (up until now they've just brushed aside
Peters conquests, with the exception of the beginning of the Earth
conqest.)  And I think Path may have a big role to play in the coup
on Starways, that I'd like to see as well.  As long as Ender is dead. :)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 9 Jan 1993 08:54:52 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <C0KrM4.2uJ@news.ucs.mun.ca> jfarrell@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Farrell) writes:
>
>How would you feel if in the end of a Sci-Fi movie like "Return of the
>Jedi" Luke joined the Empire and wiped out the Alliance.
>It would make for a stupid series.

Au contraire, mon frere!  I find the idea simply delightful.  

Luke Skywalker as a latter-day Hermann Goering, utterly corrupted in
the flesh, hunting down his erstwhile comrades with the fury of a man
who knows he is doing absolute evil and enjoys every last bit of it...
or perhaps more of a Rudolf Hess figure, broken and confused by the
world's misunderstanding of his heartfelt treachery, ending his days
white and hunched in an Imperial Spandau, bisecting rats with
Bergeracian flicks and twirls of his sharpened cabbage spoon.

c
but would the thirteen-year-olds go for it?
From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: John Wood Campbell, Jr.  (let's get it right.)
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:43:40 GMT

In <1993Jan1.055157.14036@csus.edu> Gharlane of Eddore wrote:
>   Eric S. Raymond's assertion that Campbell supported the "Shaver Hoax"
>   is entirely out to lunch. ....  (He *did*, however
>   think it was hilarious, and loved to make jokes about it.)

Um...communication breakdown.  I didn't mean to claim that he ever *believed*
it.  But some of those jokes were *very* deadpan, and made in print...
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
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From: gmills@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (MILLS G - CHEMICAL ENG.)
Subject: Ambiguous Covers
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:53:52 GMT

>From: wilder@nx20.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
>Subject: Re: Bait & Switch (was re: Who killed SF?)
>Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
>X-Path: nx20.mik.uky.edu!wilder
>Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System)
>Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:20:33 GMT
>
>|> Maybe we can start a new thread.  Can anyone think of a cover/blurb
>|> combination that led you to think a book was SF (or fantasy) when it
>|> was actually fantasy (or SF)?
>
>Anne McCaffrey's DelRey _Dragonriders_of_Pern_ paperbacks are pretty
>ambiguous.  Flaming dragons?  In fact, _The_White_Dragon_ describes
>itself on the back cover as "A fantasy of a time when..." or something
>like that.  The books are pretty solidly SF.  (Whether they're *good*
>SF or not is up to the individual. :-)

When I talk to the uninitiated, I usually refer to a spectrum, with hard
sf on one end and pure fantasy on the other.  Pern usually ends up in the
center.  At the start of the series, it struck me as fantasy; only when
they find the ships and start talking about the genetic manipulation of
the fire lizards does it cross into sf in my mind.

As for misleading covers, one of the early printings of "The Many Colored
Land" struck me as pretty strong fantasy.  Don't remember the blurb tho. 
I read it only after several, trustworthy reco's.

Greg Mills
(still no sig)
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Crow's Friend Timmy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:33:40 GMT
Organization: Next Thursday A.D.

robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) writes:

>My argument is that books which *would* sell if on the shelf for sale lose
>shelf space to books of archetypes which _have_ sold.

From all indications from talking to the folks in the industry, the TSR
books would. Sad but true.


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From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:56:50 GMT

In <76226@apple.apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Crow's Friend Timmy) writes:

>mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>>	Verily, by their initials shall ye know them...TSR...TSR...TSR

>TSR puts out three books a month, in a field that publishes 1,100 titles a
>year or more. You can't exactly call them a major force in the market.

However, in most of the mass-market book chains (Walden, B. Dalton,
Bookstar, etc.) TSR books, along with the Star Trek series and a few
other well-known offenders, get shelf space in proportion to their
sales.

On the other hand, I had to order _Snow Crash_, _Stations of the
Tide_, _Song of Kali_, and several others... no one locally stocks
them. Forget about finding _Neuromancer_ or other, older paperbacks.

OTOH, many of you are fortunate to live in areas with dedicated SF
bookstores, so my complaint- that crap _does_ drive quality off the shelves,
because crap sells more- may not hold everywhere. YMMV.

-Paul
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From:  (David Ingham)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: Beer R Us
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:12:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written

In article <1993Jan7.191415.9908@news.uiowa.edu>,
williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) wrote:
> 
> I go to book stores.  I go to the library, and only rarely do I find anything
> worth buying and reading.  What is all this crap that clogs the shelves???
> 
> Here is my list of suspects:
> 
> All those nitwits who write endless fantasy series.
> 
> Star Trek Crap.  Enough already!  They've made a frigging
> cult from a second rate space opera on TV.

I really hate the D&D books that come out just in time for an addition to
the game.
 
> Fantasy Body Snatchers.  Roger Zelazny and U K Leguin used
> to write great books before they got into the fantasy dodge.  Wake up!
> 
> Assembly line writers.  Especially the journeymen who they
> hire to produce more product in the style and universe of
> a famous author.
> 
> Publishers who pay the big bucks for this crap.  How do they sleep at night?

I guess they fall asleep counting their money :>.

> 
> L. Ron Hubbard.  Excuse me, Mr. Fat Boy Cult leader, but who asked you to
> write Science Fiction again?  And isn't he DEAD??? WHY DO THEY KEEP PRINTING
> BOOKS???
> 
> All of the Unicorn and fake medievalist readers who have an insatiable appetite
> for the STOOPIDIST POSSIBLE Trash.
> 
> It is sad.  I can actually remember being able to WAIT IN ANTICIPATION FOR THE
> NEXT Philip K Dick to come out.  Can any claim now to be waiting for anything
> that momentous?

Yes.

> --
> Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu Work(335-4496) Home(338-6053)
> "You, Varlet! Why so blithe?" -- from "Shreck" by William Steig

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From: pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan)
Subject: Re: The Illuminatus trilogy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:54:32 GMT

In article <3458@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes:
>
>I also was urged to read this book and in retrospect regret every 
>minute I spend on it. I found it badly written, full of ridiculus

Just as a rejoinder, I found the Schroedinger's Cat series to be
slightly more worthwhile than Illuminatus, which I was unable to finish.

>If you're looking for a *much* better, more believable conspiracy
>theory, I suggest you read Focault's Pendelum by Umberto Eco. This
>book is wonderful and made me reflect in ways which TIT never even
>came close to.
>
Foucault's Pendulum is wonderful.

paul duggan
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