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From: som@top.cis.syr.edu (Tapas Som)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Graphics Package based on X11 - Help Needed
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:35:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.

Date: 28 Jul 92 18:43:19 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Jul28.144319.22504@newstand.syr.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	A question for the  X window experts. 

	I am looking for a graphics package based on X11 (something on the
	lines of the 'xgraph ' package). It should be able to read the 
	inputs and options from a text file and produce the display on 
	the screen (I use Sun/Unix platform) with hard copy options
	(I use a postscript printer). I have used the xgraph package which
	I found  has very limited number of options. Therefore, I am looking 
	for something more powerfull than xgraph.
	

	Please reply by email to:

	som@top.cis.syr.edu
From: jovanov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Dan Jovanovic)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X-based PostScript editor
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:11:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Date: 22 Jul 92 20:10:55 GMT
Message-Id: <jovanov.711835855@ceg.uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Is there any X-based utility that can be used to edit
PostScript files out there? I need something that 
will merge plots, add text, etc. Any help would
be greatly appreciated

-Dan Jovanovic
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Scrolling a window....
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:40:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:08:54 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Jul30.010854.8741@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Jul27.003635.4498@iWarp.intel.com>, daw@iwarp.intel.com (David A. White) writes:

> [something about scrolling a window.]

> I tried using XCopyArea() to do this by first copying from the window
> to a Pixmap I created, and then copying from the Pixmap back to the
> window in a new location.  This worked fine as long as there was no
> other window on top of the window being scrolled.  However, if my
> drawingarea window was obscured, then the first XCopyArea() would not
> get the correct information so garbage would appear in the window
> when it was copied back.  I could not get GraphicsExpose events from
> this because the destination is not a window.

Hm?  GraphicsExpose events should be generated just fine, regardless of
whether the destination is a window or not.

By the way, why are you copying to a pixmap?  Why not just copy the
window to itself?  You mention you tried this...why did you feel it
necessary to do it in little increments?

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: -lPW causes problems building R5 on HP 9000/700s
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:18:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: COMSAT Labs

Date: 23 Jul 92 14:25:31 GMT
Message-Id: <NEAL.92Jul23092531@neal.ctd.comsat.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

As far as I can see, you need -lPW only for alloca.  You can extract
alloca.o from libPW, and make liballoca.a.  Using this will be safe.
As an alternative, you can probably remove -lPW from most X11R5 stuff
without any problem.
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X Font problems
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:11:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:53:50 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Jul24.185350.1394@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Jul20.103255@lssec.bt.co.uk>, dharding@lssec.bt.co.uk (Derek Harding) writes:

> xset fp+ ~/xfonts

> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
>   Major opcode of failed request:  51 (X_SetFontPath)

There are two common reasons for this error.  One is that the directory
isn't properly set up (mkfontdir or equivalent).  The other is that
you've neglected to note that the path you provide must be valid in the
*server*'s view of the filesystem.  Its validity from xset's point of
view is completely irrelevant (though in some cases xset and the server
will have the same point of view).

From the rest of your posting (which I deleted), I suspect the latter
in this case.  But you didn't describe enough of your setup for me to
be certain.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: suds@kludge.lcs.mit.edu (Sudhanshu Jain)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Looking for Shared-X utilities
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:23:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: ADAPTIVE Corporation

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:43:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Jul20.174324.14302@adaptive.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.multimedia


I am looking for utilities to allow an X-application to be
displayed on multiple workstations running X. I would like
to use this to distribute images to multiple workstations
in a broadcast mode over ethernet.

I have heard rumors of such applications existing and 
would appreciate hearing about them or getting any 
leads pointing towards them.

Thanks.

Sudhanshu Jain
suds@adaptive.com

Adaptive Corp.
Redwood City, CA 
415-780-7736
From: jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XVTDL 3.0 Released
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:36:29 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hope College

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:32:32 EDT
Message-Id: <9207291332.AA09534@expo.lcs.mit.edu>

Release 3.0 of XVTDL, the XView ToDo List mananger, is now available
for anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu as /contrib/xvtdl-3.0.tar.Z.
The README file can be picked up from export.lcs.mit.edu as
/contrib/xvtdl-3.0-README

Thanks to all who responded to versions 2.x.  Version 3.0 has bugfixes
and new features:
   * a logging feature which allows the user to log her checked off
     items in a number of different ways.
   * a "List All" feature that allows the user to combine all lists
     into one psuedo-list -- which works like any other list (e.g., 
     one can check off items or print the combined list).
   * a button to iconify the tool and to write out the todo list
     database
   * a properties window that controls X resources and makes the tool
     user customizable.

See the CHANGES file for a list of changes from previous versions.

Thanks to those who have sent comments so far.  There is a list of
features (the file "TODO", in XVTDL format of course) that are being
planned for future releases.  I would again appreciate comments and
feedback on these (and any other comments you wish to make).

   -- Mike Jipping
      Hope College Department of Computer Science
      jipping@cs.hope.edu
From: parasa@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (Rao V Parasa)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Subscription request
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:40:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:10:38 EDT
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From: bordin%itsictp.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu (Bordin Marcos)
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Subject: no subject (file transmission)
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:54:03 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 24 Jul 92 15:10:50 GMT
Message-Id: <9207241509.AA06133@ictpsp2.ictp.trieste.it>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: bordin@ictpsp2.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bordin Marcos)
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
Organization: 
Subject: I can not start X11R5 on my DECstation using xinit (HELP!)
Keywords: xinit 


Hello,


I have just built the X11R5 for our DECstations. I plan to start X11 or
DECwindows depending on users preference, so I am trying to contruct
.logins/.cshrc that can start one or another...

I succeed in running "xdm", but I cannot start X using xinit. This is
what I got:


  No screens...

  cannot open display...


Does someone has ideas about what is going on.

Many thanks in advance,


  Marcos F. Bordin

  IAEA/ICTP ( bordin@ictp.trieste.it )
From: converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Donna Converse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: XtDestroyWidget changes in R5
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:10:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9207272009.AA18380@excess.lcs.mit.edu>
             <5432@ebt-inc.UUCP> 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:09:39 EDT


> In X11R4, the phase 2 destruction of a widget did not occur until
> the current invocation of XtDispatchEvent exited.  

No; until the current invocation of XtDispatchEvent is about to return.

> XtDestroyWidget never performed the phase 2 destruction itself.

No, in two cases, at least from my understanding of the code.

Suppose widgets w, c and p, where c and w are descendents of p.  Widget p
is currently in phase 2 destroy.  Widget w is a child of c created by
the destroy callback of widget c.  XtDestroyWidget on widget w could be
invoked from the destroy callback of widget p which is currently
in phase 2 destruction; in that case, the phase 2 destruction of w should
occur within the call to XtDestroyWidget made by the destroy callback of
widget p.  Note it is normally unnecessary to make the call to
XtDestroyWidget on w from the callback of widget p because XtDestroyWidget
will destroy all the descendents of p anyway.  This case above is
somewhat twisted because of a particular descendent being created in
a destroy callback.  

Also, if not called from within a call to XtDispatchEvent, phase 2
destruction could take place immmediately.  For example, if XtDestroyWidget
were called outside of the event processing loop this would occur.

> After XtDispatchEvent returns, any widgets set to be destroyed had 
> their phase 2 destruction method called.

*Before* XtDispatchEvent returns, and after dispatching the event, any widgets
marked for destruction *as a result of that particular dispatch* (remember
you can have nested calls to XtDispatchEvent) will have phase 2 destroy
performed.

> However, in R5, it seems as though XtDestroyWidget  performs the phase
> 2 destruction before it returns.  

No, this would only be done in the special cases that I described first.

> Can anyone confirm/contradict this.

Sure, "it seems as though" you are wrong.  Take a look at the implementation
of XtDestroyWidget and XtDispatchEvent in R5.

Public patches to X11R4 Xt took the file lib/Xt/Destroy.c from revision 
1.22 to 1.37.  In addition, there was a short unofficial public patch 
issued after the public patches to R4 were cut off that fixed a now 
famous and wretched bug in the same file.  So, this code has been
scrutinized a fair amount in the past two years.  If there's a bug in the
current R5 version, send in a bug report; mentioning stuff like this
on comp.windows.x doesn't necessarily get the attention of the appropriate
person.  I don't see a bug in it.


Donna Converse
MIT X Consortium
From: can@pmw1.nuclint.nl (Stan Abeln)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: No title in original
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:26:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:32:43 +0200
Message-Id: <9207271332.AA00345@pmw1.nuclint.nl>

Hello World!

We are relatively new users of email.
We'd like to find out how to use this medium and whether it can satisfy
our need for information.
Developing applications on Silicon Graphics workstations, we regularly have
questions on X, Motif and Gl.
If there's anyone who can tell us where to post questions on these topics,
please let us know.

Thanks in advance, 
     Hans Geurtsen, Stan Abeln
     Nucletron Research B.V., The Netherlands.
From: marcello@deis16.cineca.it (Marcello Dalpasso)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Using the NonRectangular Window Shape Extension
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:40:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: *********************************************************

Date: 23 Jul 92 16:35:50 +0100
Message-Id: <1992Jul23.163551.371@cine88.cineca.it>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi netters,

I should implement an X application displaying a rectangular map divided in
many (actually about one hundred) nonrectangular zones.

The zone boundaries are non-orthogonal lines.

The application should get zone-enter/leave mouse event, and clicking.

The only solution I have figured out is to use the NonRectangular Window Shape
Extension provided by MIT X11R5.

Is it feasible?
Is it the unique solution?

Any help by skillful programmers?

Thanks in advance, please reply by e-mail and a summary will be posted.

-- 
	Marcello Dalpasso (e-mail: marcello@deis16.cineca.it)
	D.E.I.S. - Department of Electronics and Computer Science	
	Viale Risorgimento 2, I-40136 Bologna, Italy			
	Phone: +39-51-644-3015 (fax: +39-51-644-3073)
From: da188@city.ac.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: xterm & fonts
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:14:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Via: uk.ac.city; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:09:17 +0100
Message-Id: <AA28286.9207301008.Euston@uk.ac.city>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:08:48 BST
Reply-To: da188@city.ac.uk
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

>        This is a question that perhaps will only reveal the level of
>my ignorance: why can one use only fixed fonts in xterm? What are the
>extra problems involved in arranging things so variable character width
>fonts can be used? I mean, in such a way that the output looks nice on
>the screen.

You can specify other fonts using the -fn option when you invoke xterm.
Or you can set the resource in your .Xdefaults file. Or you can try
different fonts out interactively by using xfontsel. Select a font using
xfontsel, then hit the select button on xfontsel. Move the pointer to an
xterm window and hit button3 whilst holding CTRL down and you'ill get the
fonts menu. Select the menu item at the bottom labelled Selection and your
xterm will resize and use the new font.

Aj.
p.s. Isn't this in the FAQ?
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From: magras@cps.msu.edu (Mr. Jean-Claude Magras)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: program to preview postscript files that make multiple pages
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:14:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Anarchy Committee

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:12:29 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Jul24.001229.22351@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps

Hello,

The title pretty much says it all. I'm looking for a postscript file
previewer that can handle multiple page output in X. I say a program
around here somewhere that could do at least one page but I can't
remember the command (xps?.. file not found) :(

Thanks in Advance, 

J.C. Magras
 
 magras@cps.msu.edu. | 517 337 2267 | 1736 Burcham Dr., E. Lansing, MI 48823
From: R.W.J.Ashmore@cen.ex.ac.uk
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Subject: unsubscribe
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:18:43 GMT
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Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Via: uk.ac.exeter.cen; Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:19:35 +0100
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:08:25 +0100
Message-Id: <10093.9207310808@cen.ex.ac.uk>

unsubscribe Rob Ashmore
From: nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Michael S Figg)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: What is Devguide?
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:53:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

Date: 24 Jul 92 18:50:05 GMT
Message-Id: <5392@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.questions


Can anybody tell me what devguide is? I have seen it in reference to X but
don't know if it is directly related. (Wouldn't it be Xdevguide if it was?).

Thanks, Mike


-- 
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you. -- Wall and Schwartz ("Programming Perl")| CIS: 73777,360
From: ftms!brown@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: undefined symbol attempting to build X applications
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:43:58 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

Date: 20 Jul 92 17:00:51 GMT
Message-Id: <246@ftms.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Jul19.043302.19678@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wernert@astro.pc.ab.com writes:
<
<Help!
<
<Trying to build xgoban-1.0, i get the following symbols undefined from ld:
<   _get_wmShellWidgetClass
<   _get_applicationShellWidgetClass
<
<They do not occur in the source, so i'm thinking they must be referenced in
<one of the libraries, but i don't really know how to look for them.
<
<Does anyone have a clue what i might be doing wrong? My sysadmin is on
<vacation and i don't know who else to ask.

I don't think you are doing anything wrong.  It appears that you are running
SunOS 4.1.2 and OW3.0, since I am and that is the same set of errors that I
get when I tried to compile wclock.

I too await an answer.
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From: bri@black-coffee.ai.mit.edu (Brian Totty)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: ??? FWF Volunteer Request ???
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:43:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: MIT AI Laboratory, Computer Architecture Group

Date: 29 Jul 92 17:40:23 GMT
Message-Id: <25978@life.ai.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


	The Free Widget Foundation (FWF) is looking for volunteers
	interested in helping to produce a top-quality set widgets
	available to the public at no cost.

	The Free Widget Foundation began two years ago as a volunteer
	effort to gather a set of free widgets for use in building complex
	user interfaces.  We currently have a set of widgets available
	via ftp from a.cs.uiuc.edu in the directory ~ftp/pub/fwf.shar.Z,
	and have a mailing list of nearly 200 members.  Several X
	applications now use the FWF library.	

	The FWF is currently extending itself from being an ad hoc widget
	repository, to an organized effort to produce a powerful, complete
	widget set.  Our goal is to have an initially extended and
	reorganized widget set available at the end of 1992.  

	If you are interested in helping with the effort, would like to
	be added to the mailing list, or would just like more information
	on the Free Widget Foundation, please send mail to:

		free-widgets-request@kazoo.cs.uiuc.edu
From: gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary Keim)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X and MIME based mail readers?
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:21:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Date: 23 Jul 92 08:41:09 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 17-Jul-92 X and MIME based mail
readers? vaisanen@joyds2.joensuu. (435)

> What are the public domain X Window based mail readers that can handle MIME?
> The platforms I'm interested in are SunOS 4.x (also Solbourne) and ULTRIX 4.x.

The Andrew messages program is MIME-compatible and works well on both of
your target platforms.

Gary Keim
Andrew Consortium
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Twm
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:00:29 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Sat, 18 Jul 92 13:09:34 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Jul18.130934.17668@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Jul16.135236.14295@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, kierant@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Kieran Turner) writes:

> Just a quick query - anybody know if it would be _possible_ to make a
> patch for twm that could de-iconify on tty output to an xterm?

It is not.  twm has no opportunity to find out when output to an xterm
occurs.  You'd have to make the patches to xterm, not twm.

And yes, if you're willing to hack on xterm, it's possible.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: ess@hal.com (Eric Swildens)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Double Click in a window (Motif Drawing Area)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:48:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

Date: 27 Jul 92 15:12:13 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Jul24.183723.583@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
   mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>In article <50599@dime.cs.umass.edu>,
   nikoulis@venice.pilgrim.umass.edu (Panos Nikoulis) writes:
>> Is there a way to detect a double click mouse event in a window
>Not reliably.  The protocol does not contain enough support to allow
>this to be done right.  (It needs some sort of timeout event.)
>
>> Currently, I am using time functions to make it "wait" for a time
>> equal to the double click interval and detect a second ButtonPress
>> after the first one (inside the Drawing Area callback).
>Some toolkits/widget sets contain code that does this for you.  It'll
>work as well as your code does, presumably, but will suffer from the
>same basic problem: it can lose big in the presence of network hiccups
>(it can fail both ways: it can mistake a double click for two single
>clicks, and it can mistake two single clicks for a double click).

The protocol does contain support for this, but whether you can do
this correctly is X server dependent.  If the device driver for the
mouse puts timestamps on the events when it receives them raw,
the X server can get timestamps for the events correctly, which it
will send on down the pipe for your application to receive and these
timestamps wont be affected by network/server delays.  You can
check for double-click events without problems in this case:
get a mouse down/up, check the next mouse down/up whenever it comes,
check the delta between the two event timestamps in your application.

If you are running on an X server which doesnt have a friendly device
driver and which puts timestamps on the events itself, you are
in trouble.  If the server reads the first mouse down/up, draws some
huge primitive which takes 10 seconds, reads the second mouse down/up
and puts the current time as a timestamp you probably arent going to
see that double-click in your application.

ESS
From: mark@fibhaifa.com (Mark Sterin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XtVaCreateWidget in case converter (XtVaTypedArg) fails
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:46:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Fibronics Ltd., Haifa - ISRAEL

Date: 26 Jul 92 14:43:27 GMT
Message-Id: <615@ariadna.FibHaifa.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi,

Does anybody out there know how does XtVaCreate behave if the
converter (invoked by XtVaTypedArg) fails ?
It seems that all the resources after the failed one are not
accepted, or even worse - they are damaged !!

Any ideas ?

-- 

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