HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: the perennial subject of donna and keith
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:52:54 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <3331@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.195228.18043@infonode.ingr.com> jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com writes:
>>I can't tell you how glad I was when they left the band. They were a good idea
>>that just never worked out.
> 
> 	Do you really think it never worked out?  Sometimes Donna was 
> absolutely transcendent, and sometimes Kieth was, and sometimes the rest
> of the band was and on at least a few occasions they all got there together.

	I have a tape of a couple GDH's that they featured stuff from Utica in
76 and some of the stuff Donna and Keith are good and some are bad....I figure
it's like most shows...some songs are really good and then some songs from the
same show are really bad. It depends on if you like their sound and style with
them in the band....face it, on one song they can be the best band in the world
and then the next song they can be the suckiest band in the world.

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Dave D. Cawley		   |	Where a social revolution is pending and,
University Of Scranton	   |	for whatever reason, is not accomplished,
ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu	   |	reaction is the alternative.
ddc1@SCRANTON		   |				-Daniel De Leon
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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: *My* clueless opinion!
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:52:56 GMT
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA

In article <15bsv4INNndj@agate.berkeley.edu> richter@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Jean Richter) writes:
>
>I must respectfully disagree. While I only got to see one Keith & Donna
>show in late '78, based on listening to tapes, the Brent era wins
>hands down. Sometimes the 72-77 vocals sound fine, other times
>it's painful to listen to. They were much more consistently in tune
>during the Brent years. Don't base your opinions of their vocal
>skills on live albums, which are heavily overdubbed after the fact.
>

So how could you judge or even compare the one show you saw in 78, and
say the Brent era wins hands down.

Don't base your opinions on limited experiences.

Door swings two ways you know:-)

>>Now at Richfield this summer the Boys closed with Brokedown Palace and I 
>>think their harmonies sounded the best they have in years........This is 
>>not to say that Brent didn't make an awesome contribution, (I just don't 
>>think Keith was the kind of player that could pull of Lost Sailor/Saint, 
>>for example), just that he was not perfect at everything he did.
>

We all have opinions, mine for instance is I can't stand Brent, he
for me was not what I invisioned as DEAD inspired, I'd take Donna
over Brent anyday.

And the Band as a band were much more productive during the period
when Keith and Donna were on board, look how many songs from that
period are still in the rotation.

Just my opinions though, your mileage may vary!  Get It? :-) :-)
>There's no denying the new monitor earphones help immensely
>(and that chorus-vocalizer effect they use now helps too :-)
>Vince has a better range than Brent did (Brent lost his high
>register by '82 or '83), but I still think Brent sang more
>consistently in tune than Vince, except maybe for his decline
>in late '89 - early '90.
>

So what was Brent doing during '84 thru '89, just hanging on.

Oh Clifton Hanger, I forgot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: jeberger@novell.com (John Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Shoreline On sale 7/26 date (BASS)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:40:24 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

>
>I saw your message on the net about the new hotline message saying BASS
>date for Shoreline is now 7/26.  I just called the west coast hotline
>and got an "updated July 14" tape which still says 8/2 is the Shoreline
>BASS date.  Did you get your info from the East coast hotline?  I
>couldn't tell from your message...

YESSS!  Called the MO hotline (West), and Shoreline BASS goes on sale the 26th!
Thanks for the tip!  (I would have hated to spend the first day of my 
honeymoon waiting outside a record store!)

Hope to be there!
>

John Berger  =8^)	internet:jberger@novell.com
2180 Fortune Dr.	MHS: jberger@novell
Mail Stop F2-51		voice: (408) 473-8332
San Jose, CA 		fax:  (408) 954-9748

The opinions expressed are my own, and do not necessarily express those
of Novell. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Subject: Thats it for the Censorship thread...
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:55:07 GMT


	When The Contreversy over the 2 live crew hit its peak, I decided
I had to hear what all the brewhaha was about.  So I go to my local disc
emporium and go to purchase one of those cheepie cassette singles.  The
owner of the store recognizes me and says "What the hell are you buying
THAT for?"  So I say I want to hear what's causing the uproar.  He tells
me I don't want THAT one and instead reaches under the counter and pulls
out another tape and hands it to me.  "This is what The Contreversy is all
about" he tells me.  So I take my $2.49 gem home and pop it in the WalkPerson.
The thing that offended me most about this sonic abortion was the group's
total lack of rapping talent!  Once I got past that, however, the material
was truly offensive.  I would be *scared* of anyone who said they actually
enjoyed this stuff.  And I would be equally scared by anyone who would
purchase more of it once they heard it the first time.  If my memory serves
me right, this group has not sold anything to speak of since the initial
uproar.  This is reassuring.  I think once the word gets out on the street 
that something is trash, the sales die quickly.  I guess what I'm trying to 
say is that I have faith in people's basic ability to decide for themselves
what is worth owning and what is worth adopting as standards of decency.
I must admit that it troubles me everytime I see someone wearing one of those
"Guns and Roses were here" T-shirt with the girl laying on the ground looking
as if she was just raped.  But it also troubles me to think of the governments
in the past who have tried to mandate what would be read and thought.
Book burnings, anyone?
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:57:48 -0400 
From: Jefferson Provost <jp57+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert. Yuk!


On 21-Jul-92 in First and LAST visit to a G..
user Joseph Hack@cleveland.Fr writes:
>FIRST AND LAST EXPERIENCE AT A "DEAD-HEAD" CONCERT
>--------------------------------------------------
> 
>A few years ago some friends of mine decided to take me to a dead-head
concert.
>I had never been to one and knew little about the Grateful Dead.  They bought
>a ticket for me so how could I refuse?  I asked them what songs the Dead wrote
>that made it to top-40, but the ones they mentioned were unfamiliar to me.  I
>drove my car to Park West, Utah were I met the others.
> 
[story deleted]

For those of you who don't know, this *exact same* story was posted here
a few years ago.  A massive flame war ensued.

It's called the Porshe Guy Story, and the consensus back then seemed to
be that it was probably fiction.

Cheers,
Jefferson
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: Do they all sell out
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:04:38 GMT

>Catfish's reply:
>
>|6/9/92 - Richfield.  There were more people *with* extras than ticketless
>|        (well, at least what I observed:-}).

   Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the hotline say this was 
   sold out? Of course sold out is not necessarily the same
   as "can't get a ticket at the venue", but we're not supposed to
   show up without tickets....where does this leave us?
>
>|7/1/92 - Buckeye Lake.  Tickets were being sold at the box office all
>|        throughout the day of the show.
>
    That's what I'd call "not sold out"

-- 

------------------------------
Jeff Althoff
jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:36:10 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Jul21.172344.24008@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene) writes:
>>2)  Why did Donna Godshaux leave the band??
>They kicked her out because she couldn't sing (basically)

	Oh, horseshit.
From: petelev@convex.com (Pete Levinthal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Brent Mydland - Rest in peace.
Keywords: Brent, Mydland, last.
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:36:08 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

The shows in Tinley Park were July 21st, 22nd and 23rd of 1990.  We miss you
Brent....

Pete 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jdh@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Jonathan David Harris)
Subject: Deadbase 91
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:13:54 GMT

Like i have said in earlier posts i was out of the country and i would  
like to update my deadbase five with the 91 edition.  Does anyone know  
when it comes out etc... LET ME KNOW

Thanks
From: mitchh@hops.gvg.tek.com (Mitch Hendrickson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Eagle vs. The East Coast
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:28:39 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Jul21.193113.15283@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>attitude of west coast superirity.  New York City residents didn't loot 
>riot or burn down their city like the scum of LA.  The east coast has nothing
>to rival LA's smog.  Now I'll go up to the Adirondack mountains and hide 

Uhh, not to get into this big coastal thing, but you might note that
you're just bitching about L.A.  You'd make a fine Northern
Californian :-).

-Mitch (another mountain dweller.  hey, maybe it's not the coasts, but
the cities! :-)



-- 
Mitch Hendrickson		mitchh@gold.gvg.tek.com
Grass Valley Group, Inc.	(of course I don't speak for them!!)
P.O. Box 1114  (M/S N3-2F)
Grass Valley, CA 95945		"Sedan delivery is a job I know I'll keep"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: farbrent!ajr3@ms.uky.edu
Subject: Personal to Nathan Holtz
Reply-To: farbrent!ajr3@ms.uky.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:06:59 GMT


All of the address you sent are still bouncing mail back at me. It's  
being returned "User Unknown" if that helps.

j.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: wwilliam@dvorak.amd.com (Wade Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: parental warning Oh nO!
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:38:10 GMT
Organization: Austin, Texas

In article <geoff.43@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> geoff@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Geoff Wells) writes:
>
>CD. As he starts to walk out of the room I say "Hey, aren't you gonna let
>me listen to your new CD?" "You can't Dad" the Kid says. "Its got one of
>those parent labels on it. That means you're not supposed to listen to it"
>
>Geoff Wells

I generally assumed that those little labels would *promote* sales to
minors.  Lot's of kids do things just because they can get away with it
or it's considered to be for adults.  Most parents probably have no
idea what their kids listen to because they can't stand to hear it.  If
the parents do object, it is easy to just hide the stuff in your room.

On the other hand, it does make it possible to segregate the material
in the store.  It also leads to restricted distribution and a break
down of free speech as envisioned my most of r.m.gdead.  None of this
is good and for this reason I oppose the labels.

Of course those huge labels covering the nasty pictures on the nasty
album warning of nastiness are no fun either ;-)  If you buy the tunes
you might as well get the visuals to go along with it.

Later,
Wade
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: siskind@eos4.larc.nasa.gov (David Siskind)
Subject: HOAX!! Re: First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert.  Yuk!
Keywords: Dead-Heads, filthy, moronic, drugs, deplorable
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.055744.9160@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>FIRST AND LAST EXPERIENCE AT A "DEAD-HEAD" CONCERT
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>A few years ago some friends of mine decided to take me to a dead-head concert.
>I had never been to one and knew little about the Grateful Dead.  They bought
>a ticket for me so how could I refuse?  I asked them what songs the Dead wrote
>that made it to top-40, but the ones they mentioned were unfamiliar to me.  I
>drove my car to Park West, Utah were I met the others.
>
> ..... long pathetic story...
>
>As of this day, the words "Dead-Head" bring back visions of those angry,
>moronic pieces of human dung jumping on my car, glaring at me with hollow eyes
>while screaming filth as dirty as their own offensive, disgusting bodies.
>The majority of scum I came in contact that day were an insult to the image
>of decent, hard-working people everywhere.  Quite the opposite reaction to the
>visions of loving, fun people we hear who attend these concerts.

Before anybody gets too bent out of shape over this article, amusing as it is,
its worth remembering that this appears to be an exact repost of an article
put on the net about 4-5 years ago. I'm wondering how many netters remember
this. At the time, I recall, it was unclear whether it was true. I suppose
it may not be strictly a hoax, in the sense of a false story, but its pretty
weird that "Joe Hack" decided to put this back on the net after 5 years. I
guess he wantedto see how many people wouldn't remember!

David Siskind
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Veritas
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:16:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I see signatures that do not match usernames.  What is up with
this? 

Using tass newsreader you can press H to see
the complete header for an article.  Here I see that
names and geographies do not match signatures.

What is the deal? Do you have something to hide?

BTW I had this flame 11 years ago with a bunch of boys
in Maryland (Washington Apple Pi) who insisted on
aliases (insisted I use one because of the amount of
AT&T calling card numbers and pirated software on
our boards).  

There are also some girls (women) using boys (men) accounts. Ooooh.


-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: akr@sei.cmu.edu (Astrid Rapp)
Subject: Re: East Coast
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.131219.40959@chili.cc.lehigh.edu>, porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu (Paul A. Orphanos) writes:
> |> >     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
> 
> Oh yeah, providence, pittsburgh (the city, that is), hampton, richmond,
> springfield (some wild shows there, eh?), the list goes on....
> 
Actually, as I understand the Dead have not been BANNED from the city of
Pittsburgh, but they are required to post bond to the City for any damages
incurred by the show.  I would assume that the amount of the bond is fairly
high considering the amount of damage done at the Civic arena.  I'm told (but
am not positive) that the Dead posted bond when they played at Three Rivers
Stadium in '89, but considering the damages done even then they chose not to
play in Pittsburgh, that is until Starlake.  A lot of damage was done there
too!  Whatever happened to "Nothing but footsteps....".  I'm almost surprised
that Starlake is willing to welcome them again, I guessthat with all the money
they made off the show they were able to cover the damages and then some...

Peace.
Astrid 
akr@sei.cmu.edu
From: 0004903167@mcimail.com (Brian J. Rupert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: re: Dead-Flames via ADMD's
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:39:14 GMT
Reply-To: 0004903167@mcimail.com
Organization: The Internet


 >reb@ingres.com writes:

 >Finally, Compu$erve, MCImail and ATTmail all (I believe) have gateways
 >to the  Internet, so  you  could always have  dead-flames delivered to
 >your own mailbox -- though you'd have to pay through the nose  for the
 >privilege.                               ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
 >                                reb

For the record, to receive Dead-Flames via MCI Mail is not a
bad deal. There is a $35.00 annual fee charge for mailbox, and
you only pay to send messages, NOT to receive them. There are
NO on-line time fee's or toll charges. 9600 baud access is also
free.

So you could literally pay only $35.00 to receive a year's worth
of USENET feeds from anywhere. Unless you feel that $2.92 per
month is "paying through the nose", it's not a bad deal.

----------

		BJR
		490-3167@mcimail.com
      (202) 416-5631
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:06:09 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: i need '77 tapes!

hi everybody i need all yes all of the '77 shows or else god will call me home.
 just kidding, god really won't call me home. But I really do want to collect
all of the tapes from that year.  I don't have a massive collection, maybe 150 hrs or so, but they're mostly good quality, and a good representation of the
history of their musical evolution. your list gets mine, etc, etc,


Leave mail to this account and I'll give it to Matt (the guy who wrote this
message...)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ckqh909s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Weir-Wasserman Sighting on CNN
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:32:59 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Did anyone catch Weir and Wasserman on CNN's Showbiz Tonight?  The short
segment included clips of Victim, Eternity, and Spoonful (Spoonful was also
played during the credits.)  The segment was recorded in a studio? maybe a
basement, and they finished the segment by mentioning that they (not the Dead)
are working on a new album.  Weir's age is starting to show, too.

Paul Fronstin                  internet: ckqh909s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Dept. of Economics             bitnet:  fronstin@umiamivm
Univ. of Miami
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Timothy J. Dalton" <dalton@mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: BOSTON/New England Heads - Read This
Reply-To: dalton@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:13:02 GMT


Just another subtle reminder that there exists the:

	B O S T O N    M U S I C    M I N I - N E T 


This is a list to discuss the Dead and related bands/activities in
the Boston/New England Region.

The list has grown beyond Boston propper to include western mass,
central mass, eastern mass (i guess thats Boston), providence RI
and southern NH.  We have readers in MA, VT, NH, NY, CT, and FL!

To be added to the list, use the SERVICE ADDRESS.

**********
The service addresses (additions, deletions, etc) are :

    Internet: Boston-Music-Request@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
              Boston-Music-Request@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU
    UUCP:     ...!uunet!virginia!Boston-Music-Request
    BitNet:   Boston-M@VIRGINIA
**********
To send mail to the entire list, the addresses are :

    Internet:  Boston-Music@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
               Boston-Music@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU
    UUCP:      ...!uunet!virginia!boston-music
    BitNet:    BM-Req@VIRGINIA
**********

	Tim

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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Elliot Sowadsky <ditka!daver!nexgen!elliot@unix.sri.com>
Subject: Looking for Oregon tix
Reply-To: ditka!daver!nexgen!elliot@unix.sri.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:08:46 GMT

I'm in the bay area.

I can be reached at the below addresses. A simply "reply" will probably
fail.

Thanx

Worldnet: (408)435-1137 x259 (Voicemail)
          (415)968-3985
Arpanet: daver!nexgen!elliot@sun.com
	 nexgen!elliot@oliveb.olivetti.com
	 oliveb!nexgen!elliot@sun.com
	 elliot@nexgen.uucp  
UUCP: {sun!,ames!,<none>}{oliveb,daver}!nexgen!elliot
UUCP: When it absolutely has to get lost overnight
From: snahas@TD2CAD.INTEL.COM (steven nahas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Tapes stolen
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:14:04 GMT


These tapes stolen "stories" circulate periodically, just like the
Porsche guy story, but for the purpose of obtaining free tapes form
unsuspecting netheads.  I know of one nethead who actually stated
that everything from the '70's sucked, and then got all these great
tapes form netheads trying to convince him otherwise!  hey man,
he loves the '70's shows, and now he has a great collection from theat
era to listen to.  (Hi out there, you know who you are :-). 

so take these "stolen tapes" stories with a grain of salt.

else, if it's actually true, then, Jeff, why don't you go back to the
last place you can remember sucking on your nitrous tank, maybe you 
pulled all your tapes out to get to the tank and left them on the 
curb.

or has someone already sent you a new tank too?

seastones 

"So many pedestrians.  So little time."

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:  Very Little Dead content, cops harrass youths.
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:32:10 GMT

|wel hes out now eithe ron bail or with a ticket, i dot know which...
|and it seems, unfairly, that he will simply pay for a broken window
|rather than pay court fees and lawyer fees to prove his innocence..

if he pays for the window, he has admitted his guilt.  stupid thing to do.
it may get things over with now, but it will be on his record for a long time.

|oh, and of course before leaving, the arresting officer came up to me and
|said "dont fuck with us.. remember i still have this pipe of yours. we know wha>ts goin on here... we know you did it"
|hows that for injustice?

sounds like you got luck.  in most places, possession of drug
paraphaelia is illegal.  especially when it has residue.

BTW, just what is the "injustice"?  you fit the description of someone
who perpetrated a crime.  you're lucky you didn't get to spend the night
in jail.

Steve-TOO

"patience runs out on the junkie..."
From: NIZAMIAN@CSMCMVAX.BITNET (RAFFI NIZAMIAN - JUST A NOTE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: UUENCODE/DECODE
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:38:48 GMT
Reply-To: NIZAMIAN@CSMCMVAX.BITNET
Organization: The Internet

Can someone please send a copy of UUENCODE and UUDECODE to my Bitnet account.
Since I have not gotten a response to any other request for these and other
files, I won't hold my breath....BUT....please, I really need a copy of these
files...thanx in advance

-raffi