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From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: To muslim brothers/ Do you feel the same if .........
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:51:12 GMT



Dear muslim brothers,
    I am facing a big question. One Hindu, One muslim, one jews,
One ethist all of them are innocent. All of them are killed because
some body of their type ( I mean Hindu is killed because some other
Hindu has done some thing bad, an ethist i killed because some other
ethist had done some thing bad etc. etc.)

The question is that do you feel little more sad when the muslim is
killed then others?  

I am asking this question because I got this reply from a friend.

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
4) Do you feel the same way when a punjabi or a Hindu die,
as when a Muslim die?
Like I said, depends on who died how. To tell you the honest to God truth,
acutally, I am more hurt when an innocent Muslim dies.  Why?  There is an
answer.  There is a hadis of the Prophet that says, "The Muslim umma (all
Muslims) is like one body.  If one part of the body hurts, the whole body
hurts."  And I feel myself as part of this body and that is why I feel the pain
of my sisters who are raped in Bosnia, that is why I feel the anger of my
brother in India who sees his place of warship torn down.  But let me do say
that if someone was going aroung massaquering Hindus or Punjabis, YES I would
feel as passionaltely for them.  I feel passionately for the Jews that were
killed by the Nazis.

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(sorry friend, I posted that part without your permission. I also
wish to post the whole letter. But for that I wll need your permission)

AAt this I request all Muslims to respond and request all non-muslims
to restrain  to say any thing opn hearing the answer. I really want
to seen how many of you muslim brothers feel the same. It is your 
duty to respond to this letter in public because I am a person seriously
considering to follow Allah. I should know what I am going to accept.

                                                      
with regards
SUPRAATIC GUPTA

-- 
With regards

SUPRATIC GUPTA

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From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Sick and tired of reading all these religion related articles in SCB.
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:04:26 GMT


Well, I've tried my best to keep to my shut and show respect to the
freedom of speech, but sorry folks, I can't take this any more.  I've had
enough and I am sick and tired of all these relegion related articles in
SCB.  Maybe religion does play a role in our society but that doesn't mean
this is the only thing we should talk about.  


I know "this is free forum", "everybody has the right to express his/her
opinions", "this is a un-moderated news-group" and I know I am going to get
responses like "who the hell are you to decide what should be discussed
here and what shouldn't be?" and "I can post whatever I want to (who
cares it is relevant to SCB or not!)" etc. etc., but I have the right to
speak-up as well and I don't have any respect for the people who doesn't
have the common-sense to realize that there is a number of news-groups
available for discussing religious issues.





-- 

Khaled Aziz
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jamat and the ban question
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:39:01 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu

In article <NAEEM.92Dec12020543@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> Problem is that Sheikh Mujib gave the general pardon to ALL collaborators. So
> how can Ghulam Azma be differentiated among others pardoned?
> 
> Naeem Mohaiemen
> (216) 774-1993
>

Sheikh Mujib made lot of mistakes, it does'nt mean that we cannot
correct it ( if majority of the people want to correct it).It is
interesting to note that BNP always take credit for correcting the
Mistakes of Awami league ( like Baksal, allowing more than 4 newspaper
etc. ) except this thing. 

---Zakir 
  
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From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: To muslim brothers/ Do you feel the same if .........
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:58:14 GMT

Keywords:Muslim 

Personally I will first analyze the cause or reason of the death of a
person (regardless of his/her religious affiliation).  If the killing
is done for a wrong reason (all killings are wrong except when one
have to do it to protect his/her own life and his/her country's
sovereignity as the Bangladeshis did in 1971 against the Pakistanis) then
I will feel equally sorry for a Muslim, Hindu, Christian, or else.  The
things that can be solved by political means should solved thru 
negotiation based on equal respect towards each other.  Killing is a 
barbarian act.  Personally I will never even consider to hurt someone
from a different belief because of a religious cause.  There are many
more worldly issues that we should solve first.  But again, it's my
personal belief and I don't expect anyone else to agree with me; at
the same time though I wouldn't like to see anyone jumping on me
to prove me wrong and to dictate his/her own faith to me.

Khaleq

P.S.  Above all is the humanity, nothing is above it. (Line from a
Bengali poem) .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: wasi@athena.mit.edu (Wasiuddin A. Wahid)
Subject: Looking for Jawed Alam.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:02:47 GMT




I was wondering if anyone could give me the address and phone no. of Jawed Alam.
The last time I heard of him, he was studying at Priarie View A&M University at
Texas. 


Thanx,

Wasi.
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From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:28:00 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Shakil,

Congratulations, you have done it again.  You have found an
excuse to dodge the questions.  Pity you give us so much hope.


Manoj
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangladeshis join hands against fanatics
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:04:37 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu

In article <SAHMED.92Dec11185034@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
> 
>    But the ruling Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) needs Jamaat's 20
> seats to stay in power.

After the the election of the women seats, BNP has the absolute
majority and does not need the support of Jammat any more to stay in
power. 

---Zakir
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:56:19 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>Is that why India blocked off all routes to Nepal until Nepal agreed
                               ^^^

Actually, all but one. The open one accounted for about 1/2 or more
of the total traffic. International law/conventions require only that
much. Keeping more routes open is courtesy and depends on goodwill.

>to do things India's way?  Or have you forgotten that incident -- it

In any case, the dispute was over foreign policy issues. India hasn't
pressured Nepal to change any of it's internal policies eg; monarchy.

Anyway, my point is to show that Indian "interference" in Nepal and
Bhutan is far less than in any Indian state. eg; Indian govt. could
dismiss the U.P. state govt. when it failed to protect the Babari
mosque, but it couldn't/wouldn't have done any such thing if Nepal
destroyed any mosque or temple.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Ban the Jama-E-Islami
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:40:55 GMT

   As a result of the riots in India, the leader of the BJP Advani is now
in jail. The Bangladeshi governemt should note this unusual phenomenon and
take it one step further. It is time that we banned the Jamaat Islam party
altogether. The BNP despises this party, but puts up with it simply because
of the coalition.    

    Bangladesh has enjoyed religious harmony for a long time. It is intolerable
for a handful of idiotic fundamentals to destroy this peace. Hundreds of madrasas have openly supported the riots. It is now pardoxical to call them by that  
name. 

    Secondly, the government should promptly proceed with the trial of Golam
Azam. Everyone knows that he was a collaborator. If tried and found guilty,
the maximum punishment should be applied. 

    Bangladesh cannot afford to have religious violence. The best way to solve
this problem is to get rid of these radicals. Everyday hundreds of illetrate 
villagers are being brainwashed by this group. If the government makes it  
clear that this type of action is not acceptable perhaps the trend can be 
halted before any more damage is done.

Rafat Sadiq
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:29:37 GMT


Because he could!

Rakesh Patel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:36:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193357.21324@news.columbia.edu>, rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde) writes:
> 
> Now that you have quoted my personal mail on the net: 
> 
>  If Islam preaches equality of men and women, then you must admit that
>  the practice of Islam is at fault. Because there is no argument even from
>  you that women in Islamic states do not enjoy the same freedom as men,
>  is there? 
   Islam is not at fault. It is the nations such as Saudi Arabia that are at
fault. If they refuse to grant the other half of their population equal rights
one cannot blame that on religion.

> 
>  If mortals are not following the religion to the letter then it's ok. Every
>  religion has been distorted in practice by its proponents and 
>  participants and practitioners. Welcome to the club.
> 
   I agree. Man has twisted religion to suit his needs.

regards
Rafat Sadiq
From: dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: An incident in Dhaka round 10 Dec
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:01:08 GMT

Hi, Netters,

I was rung this afternoon by a reporter from our national
broadcasting service to comment on an incident in Dhaka
round 10 December where, as I understand it, a very large
group linked hands as a demonstration of solidarity in
favour of religious freedom.  At least, this was how it was
put to me.  I checked the net and found that I actually
receive your postings up to a week late!  The latest as I
read this is 8 December, which is pretty poor, really - I'm
sure it used to be faster!

Anyway, if anyone knows about this incident, would you
kindly email me with any information concerning it, because
I am completely in the dark about it.  It seems that my
posts get to the net much quicker than I receive them, so
email seems the best bet.  As these incidents are not
regarded as newsworthy here in Australia, I would very much
appreciate any information on this.  (I'm due to be
interviewed about such events in Bd the day after tomorrow,
so I can't wait till anything comes on the net!)

All the best to friends I have not talked with recently. The
events which have set off this last wave of communal
violence are deplorable.  When I see the postings of a few of those
on the net who are unable to keep *their* emotions under
control, it augurs badly for what must be happening on the
streets. 

Any information is gratefully received.

'bye from Oz,

Denis Wright.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Bangladeshis join hands against fanatics
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:50:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

                           The Reuter Library Report

                     December  10, 1992, Thursday, BC cycle


HEADLINE: BANGLADESHIS JOIN HANDS AGAINST ULTRA RIGHT-WING

DATELINE: DHAKA, Dec 10

   Nearly 20,000 people joined hands to form a human chain in Dhaka on
Thursday in a peaceful rally calling for a ban on ultra-right politics
in Bangladesh.

   The rally was intended to press the government to prohibit
political activities by the Jamaat-e-Islami party and execute its
leader, Golam Azam, for alleged collaboration with the Pakistani army
during Bangladesh's 1971 war of independence.

   Organised by a committee of lawyers, teachers, politicians, artists
and war veterans, the rally was eventually joined by thousands
protesting against the destruction of a mosque in India by fanatical
Hindus.

   Witnesses said the 10-km (six-mile) chain stretched from old
Dhaka's Bahadur Shah Park to Parliament house.

   Jamaat, the country's third biggest political party, came under
fire from left and centre-right opponents for its role during the 1971
war.

   They accuse Jamaat stalwarts, including 70-year-old Azam, of
helping the Pakistani army in a campaign of rape and murder of Bengali
nationalists in then East Pakistan.

   Azam, jailed since March for illegally staying in Bangladesh on a
Pakistani passport, has denied the charges.

   Jamaat, virtually non-existent in Bangladeshi politics after the
war, resurfaced during the government of former president Hossain
Mohammad Ershad, who stepped down in December 1990 after nine years in
power.

   The controversy surrounding Jamaat turned into an open conflict
after it elected Azam its chief last year.

   Those demanding a blanket ban on Jamaat and its militant student
wing, Islami Chhatra Shibir, include the main opposition party Awami
League.

   But the ruling Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) needs Jamaat's 20
seats to stay in power.

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| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
| | sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu                                             |
| |________________________________________________________________________/
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From: P.Hasan@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Pervaiz Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: TODAY! TODAY! DEMONSTRATION - PAKISTAN EMBASSY - Re: PERSECUTION OF
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:59:00 GMT

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim

Assalam-o-alaikum Brs & Srs,

	There is a demonstration Today after Jumma at the Pakistan Embassy
in London (details are given below). 
When will the muslims wake up - Palestine, Kashmir, Bosnia, India ..... 
Every muslims should look at himself regarding each of these situtions and 
see if he/she has fullfilled his/her duty. 
Are the muslims not concerned that their Sister are getting raped that their
brothers are being tortured, and their children are being abused and killed.

"Anyonewho wakes up in the morning and does not care fore the affairs of the
Ummah, is not one us" Muhammed (SAW)
This is  what the Prophet (SAW) said, yet we find Muslims fail to respond
positively. 

The issue is not just the mosque, the issue is the muslim blood being so cheap.
Remember that the Prophet (saw) said that the blood of a muslim is worth more
than the Ka'aba and all its surroundings.
Think about the armies we have and the millitary might we possess, and yet
they do nothing but clean their weapons and target practice. Their orders from
the corrupt leaders is not wage Jihad but to suppress their own people from
calling for Jihad and Islam.

There are three way in which a muslim can fullfill his/her duty of Jihad :
 `.......By your Wealth, By your Tongue, By your Body`.

It is importent that the muslims in Britain support this Demonstartion.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

	  MUSLIMS OF INDIA, WILL THEIR CRY GO UNHEARD !!!!



  It is the duty ie fard of the Muslim governments to do everything
in their power to come to the aid of Muslims in India ;especially
those governments who are in close proximity to the area,like
Bangladesh and Pakistan.We would like to encourage the Pakistani
government to take the following measures:

  1) Break off diplomatic relations with India;maintaining any
relationship with a government presiding over  a vicious onslaught
against Muslims is totally unacceptable.

  2)Pakistan should lobby the Gulf States to impose a total trade
ban(especially an oil embargo) on India and expell all Hindus in their
territories.

  3)Additionally they should lobby all Muslim countries to break off
diplomatic ties with the murderous Indian regime.

  4)If Pakistan's Generals really want to undertake some
comprehensively Islamic action,then they should use all means
necessary to the lives,property and honour of Muslims in India.

DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRAT

PAKISTAN EMBASSY
LOWNDES SQUARE
LONDON SW1    (NEAREST TUBE:KNIGHTSBRIDGE)

FRIDAY 18TH DECEMBER
2.30pm

ORGANISED BY WESTMINISTER ISLAMIC SOCEITY
IN CONJUNCTION WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ISLAMIC SOCEITIES OF:
Imperial
LSE
Kings
UNL
UCL
South Bank
QMW
Brunel

Contact Mohammed on 071-723 5429.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Wasalaam
Pervaiz Hasan (UCL).


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.072006.10021@zip.eecs.umich.edu> bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>In article <samaddar.724086510@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>>                       ^^^^^^^
>>
>>I don't deny this. The protectorate kind of relationship has been there
>>since British times. My point was that India doesn't interfere in the
>>internal/domestic policies of Bhutan/Nepal. I made this point in the context
>>of the Chakmas because IMHO, Chakmas would be willing to settle for being
>>a protectorate country of Bangladesh/India provided they had freedom in their
>>domestic policy.
>>
>>Sumitro
>
>I think that the recent discussion on the issue of autonomy on this newsgroup
>begs the question : how fine a level of fragmentation is acceptable for
>nationhood ? Where do we stop? Independent cities ? Neighbourhoods ? Streets?
>
>The solution to the Chakma issue (or the Punjab issue or the Sindh issue or...)
>lies not in fragmentation but in eliminating the exploiter/exploited relation
>between different geographical areas and different sections of the people.
>That however seems rather impossible in the foreseeable future. 

>-- 
>Sayan Bhattacharyya          |   Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.
>Graduate student             |
>Artificial Intelligence Lab  |
>The University of Michigan   |

I am curious. I have lived in both W.Bengal and in Tripura but have never
come into contact with Chakma refugees. With the extent of terrorism aimed
by the Bangladeshi Govt at these people( as claimed in this newsgroup),
I would expect quite a few. Does the GOI have any camps for these refugees 
in either of the above mentioned states?
Santanu Bhattacharyya
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From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:07:57 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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In article <15DEC199216094117@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:

> 	I have not read anything about equality in voting and property 
> 	ownership between men and women, in Quran, please state the
> 	reference if you think so.
> 	I have an impression though that two female witnesses are
> 	equal to one male witness and also the heritage laws put two
> 	shares for male dependent compared with one share for the 
> 	female dependent [for example among brothers and sisters].
> 

Your impressions are wrong and characteristic of the standard
anti-Islamic propaganda the western media loves.  The issues you raise
above have been discussed in the past on several of the groups you
posted this to, as well as in soc.religion.islam.  The one male
witness is equal to two female witnesses is incorrect, and I have
shown this many times in the past.  The inheritance laws are not
identical for men and women, but they are very complex -- there are
some situations in which men are favored and some in which women are.

> 	[I wonder if these MUSLIMS have ever read QURAN in their life]

Have you?

-- Shakil
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