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From: kali@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Cal Pomes)
Subject: 3YO waking up hysterical
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:46:25 GMT

This is the third time in 10 days, so that makes it a series:
my normally calm son has been waking up hysterical and unconsolable.
Nightmares? I can't get any sense out of him, I can't even calm him
down. As I type this, he's screaming in his room. For fifteen
minutes I held him, walked, crooned, offered juice, and then
I put him back in his room because I couldn't stand the screams
six inches from my ear.

I'll try comforting him again--after all, 45 minutes of screaming?
It's a record for him.

later. He's finally calmed down. What I'd like to know is,
are these night terrors? Should I just leave him alone
when it happens? Sometimes it seems that I aggravate the 
situation, but then again, leaving him alone aggravates things
too.

No big changes in his life--he's started a new nursery school,
but he's been in daycare before, although he's been home with me
for three months, and he's reacting positively to the place.

Or is it natural for this age group no matter what the life
experiences?

Thanks,

Cal Pomes
-- 
Abandon my babies to the care of strangers?  Heavens no, I'd rather sell them.

Internet: kali@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nudity in an Unsafe Toddler
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:30:26 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Just barely, these days...

Unsafe because he isn't yet completely potty trained.

The rule I have established is that he may be naked out in the back
yard, on *his* mattress in our bedroom (the mattress with the plastic
cover on it :-), or in the bathroom.  He has been told that he may go
without his underwear (or a diaper) as soon as goes potty *all* the
time.

My roomies are getting tired of reminding him of this rule.  Is it
too complicated for him (he'll be 2.75 on Sept. 5)?  Do I need
something more tangible for him, like stickers on a calendar?

He begins daycare tomorrow, and I don't think nudity is encouraged
under the good Sisters' care :-)

Any hints for getting him to keep his clothes on?  Especially the
underwear....

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:03:28 GMT

>In article <16412@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>
>Puff, the Magic Dragon
>by Peter, Paul and Mary (I think Paul Stookey wrote it)
>
>Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea,
>And frolicked in the autumn mist
>In a land called Honalee.
>Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff.
>He brought him strings and sealing wax,
>And other fancy stuff.
>
Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sails
Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail
Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came
Pirate ships would low'r their flags
When Puff roared out his name.

A dragon lives forever but not so little boys
Painted wings and giant things (?)
Make way for other toys
One grey night it happened - Jackie Paper came no more
And Puff that mighty dragon sadly ceased his fearless roar.
His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain
Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane (?)
Without his lifelong friend Puff could not be brave
And Puff that mighty dragon sadly slipped into his cave.


When I was in high school, deep in the early 70's, an English
teacher told us that song was drug-related.  Figure?

-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
                            (_) \(_)                           
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:12:05 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: SUMMARY: Toddler chairs and tables

Thank you, thank you, everyone who sent or posted their experiences with
various child-sized tables and chairs.  I don't have a file of all of the
responses, but I have tried to summarize the basic points below, in case
other parents are considering such a purchase.

First, most people thought $300 was WAY too much to spend, although a few
had spent about that for nice wooden sets and were very happy with them.

Wood vs.  Plastic:

Plastic is inexpensive, durable, and easy to clean.  Most families had
either a Little Tykes set or a Fisher Price set.  There seem to be a couple
of different L.T.  sets--some thought the chairs very UNstable, others
remarked about their stability.

Wood was regarded as "aesthetically" more appealing.  Many suggested a
formica-type top to make cleaning easier.

Chairs vs.  Benches:

Attached benches have the advantage, of well, being attached.  This was
important to the parents of some persistent climbers.  They may also be more
stable, and may eliminate the need for parents to help push chairs up close
to the table.  Chairs have the advantage of being used for other
things--trains, forts, houses--and for being used in other rooms or with
other furniture.

Other stuff:

One recommendation was to use a solid door and attach screw on legs for a
table.  Another family bought a nice wooden set at a craft show.  Everyone
suggested shopping around at used furniture sales and garage sales for a
used set.  One parent responded that her son never really used his table
much (a good reason to start with a low-end model).  Some useful features
are a lip around the table edge to keep crayons from rolling off, drawers or
compartments to keep things in (although at least one person said this same
feature was where everything got "lost").  Some parents found reasonable and
sturdy sets at educational stores/catalogs.

Thanks again, I'll let you know what we end up with.

Chris
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:06:48 GMT
	<1992Aug24.133339.3966@newstand.syr.edu> <3459@master.CNA.TEK.COM>
	<14347@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates


   In article <3459@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
   |> I have to agree with Keith--I've always felt sorry for home-schooled
   |> kids because they miss out on the social aspects of going to a school
   |> outside the home.  To me, school isn't just academic subjects, it's
   |> a whole social learning experience as well.  I just can't see how
   |> parents who teach their kids at home can provide anything near the
   |> social experience that public school does.  

In article <14347@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

   [stuff edited out]

   There was nothing about socialization before high school that I wouldn't 
   have been better off without. What did that socialization teach me? That I 
   was a nerd, disliked, unworthy. It was incredible when I got into the right 
   classes in high school and discovered that people actually like me for 
   myself, that I wasn't really ugly, and that intelligence can even be a 
   good thing!

   It all depends on the school, I think. ANYTHING would have been better than 
   my school experience! I was seriously depressed for years, but back then 
   nobody believed that children could suffer from depression.

Paula, that sums up most of my public school experience, including in
high school.  Boring and socially a lose. I memorized enough to do
very well on the tests, but it mostly wasn't interesting to me, and so
I retained very little of what was taught, to top it off.  It wasn't
until college that I found out that I might be a socially desirable
human being. And it wasn't until after I quit college, and took a
course at the college I later worked for that I really *learned* the
course material fully, and enjoyed myself.

For those who are still following this discussion, check in with the
homeschool mailing list and ask your questions (about laws, logistics,
etc).

	home-ed-request@alfalfa.com	Subscription requests

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Subject: Re: Late night bottles
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:41:05 GMT

Many people have posted that their pediatricians had told them to wean
their children form bottles.  I understand that going to bed with a
bottle can promote toothe decay.  So have the child brush his or her
teeth.  

Except for instances where a child is drinking so much liquids that they
are not getting adequate nutrition, why should a child stop drinking
from a bottle?

Aleta
*************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
************************* 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Ultrasounds
Reply-To: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:15:14 GMT


I don't know how relevent this is but I have been having ultrasound therapy
for an back trouble. The therapist did say to tell her if it started to feel hot as it was possible to sustain a burn from the ultra sound. 

Not wanting to scare monger so I'll explain that this is Diathermic ultrasound and each treatment did last for several minutes. Somewhat longer I believe than the ultrasound used for monitoring.


Simon
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Transitional (Toddler) Bed versus Twin Beds
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:45:43 GMT

Sorry, I didn't do an "F" so I lost the history.  Anyway, we transistioned
our then-almost-three-year-old from a crib to a bed in the Jan-Feb time
frame (this year).  We, too, were expecting another (July) and wanted Brian
to get used to sleeping in a new bed.  We wanted bunk beds (don't ask me
why, maybe because I always wanted bunk beds???)  Anyway, he went with us
and helped picked them out, and he "helped" take down his crib, and put up
his new bed.  (of course, we talked about this for a few weeks before doing
anything!).  We made a big deal, but not too big, about being a big boy
now.  He was more proud of his new bed than being big.  He was fine.
He fell of a couple of times, but we had extra pillows down on the floor
and everything went smooth.  He was not a crib climber, and was perfectly
content (we think) in the crib.  Now, he's been in his new bed for 8 months,
has a new baby brother, and most of the time, sleeps all night in it.
If he awakens, he may come into our room.  We put him back into his.
I think if you talk to your child and plan it with him, things will go
all right.  Some folks recommend putting the mattress on the floor for
a few weeks before setting up the bed, in case he falls out.

Jennifer
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Johnny-Jump-Ups
Date: 3 Sep 1992 07:33:15 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Maggie Douglass writes (in part):


PS  All three kids enjoyed being in the bouncer, but none of them ever
actually bounced.  They just liked being upright and they would stand
up and dance and spin around.


************

Isabel is another child who loves the jumper, but doesn't
actually jump in it.  It was pretty cute when I'd go visit
her daycare room when she was about 4 mos. old and just
starting to use the jumper:

Other kids would be bouncing vigorously up and down in their
jumpers and there Isabel would be, just sort of hanging there
in hers, but *grinning from ear to ear*, proud as anything of
herself, without a clue that she was doing it "wrong". I always
had to laugh.

At this rate, she'll be as athletic as her mother, which is to
say not at all.  

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.235937.2102@oracle.pnl.gov> d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:

>>And claiming that kids cannot be made to wear seat belts properly is
>clearly a crock.

The first time my daughter got on a bus (before she rode one to school), she 
asked where's the seatbelts.  She was so used to them (using them as a 
baby), she didn't feel right without them.  I think today's kids (being 
brought up wearing seat belts), would almost all automatically buckle up if 
seatbelts were on buses.
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:59:18 GMT

In article <day_kevran-230892150043@130.252.108.211>, day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
> 
> This isn't the case for our program.  There are "qualifying events"
> which make it possible to change the amounts.  For instance, I was
> able to change my amount withheld (upward) when my husband went
> from part-time self-employed to full-time permanent employment.
> The birth of a child is a qualifying event as is the loss of a job by one
> of the spouses.  There are probably others, you need to check with 
> your company's benefits administrator.


I found out the hard way that the birth of a child didn't qualify 
unless there was a corresponding decrease in income.  When my
second child was born, I was able to take an 8-week  fully-paid
disability leave.  So even though I'd planned to take my older
child out of daaycare while I was home on leave, they wouldn't
let me break out of the plan.  (So I left him in daycare, sinc
I had to pay for it anyway, and it worked out OK, as I really
didnn't have the energy to tend my older son plus the newborn)

But I did feel screwed over, as I'd signed up the previous fall,
hoping to get pregnant sometime in 1990, but not sure how long it
would take, and with the "birth of a child" being a supposed
qualifing event, it hadn't seemed like a risk.

One woman I'd talked to had her som get seriously ill, so his grandma
came to care for him for two months.  And she wasn't allowed to 
break out of the plan, so she had to pay for 2 months of unused daycare.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:24:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Sep2.162419.17261
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep2.123053.12040@crd.ge.com>, millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller) writes:
> I had an amnio at 15 weeks that was done by the doctor.  I drank my water
> even tho they didn't tell me to.  The doctor took one look and asked if I
> had emptied my bladder.  When I said no, he told me to go do so.  (I could
> see the difference in the ultrasound picture from the two states.)

I told this story a few years ago, but it's amusing enough to repeat.  When
my SIL was pregnant with her first, they told her to drink a lot for the
ultrasound.  When she got there, they started and told her there was too much
fluid and could she let out about 8 oz.  Luckily, she's not a violent
person!

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [27 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Debbie@b3.ingr.com (Debbie Thomas)
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:10:31 GMT

My son (4 yrs) also loves Thomas the Tank Engine.  I have managed to collect
a few "Thomas" toys,posters, games, etc for him.  We even have "Thomas"
clothes.  He has overalls and a sweater with "Thomas" for the fall.  A local
department store carries these items up to a size 7 for boys and at least 
to 4T for girls.  His next birthday party will be a "Thomas" theme, I already
have the plates, etc and I will decorate a 3-d train cake.  "Thomas" is one
of the few non-violent characters around and I think it looks better than
Ninja Turtles, etc.  I enjoy the videos and characters myself.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:08:42 GMT

In article <21053@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>> clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes:
>>Question for netland:  How much less safe is it to put the rear-facing
>>infant seat in the front seat instead of the center of the back seat?
>
>
>Brag note: Jordan is 6 weeks old today and he's slept through the
>night 3 nights in a row!
>--Beth Weiss

ARGHHHHHHH!!!!  My Jordan is 10 months old and still gets up around
2am for a bottle........I figure I can be patient about this for a while
longer (Dad and Mom trade off nights)......he should sleep through by
the time he goes to school right?  8~}


				|    See Dick run.  Run Dick Run.
Barbara				|    See Jane run.  Run Jane run.
				|    See Spot run.  Run Spot run.
				     (Is all this running really necessary?)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:21:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.175933.24905@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.bnr.ca (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
>|> 
>|
>I'm not sure who is hardest on mothers who have drugs, and/or c-sections
>during their birthing, women who have not experienced labor, women who
>*have* experienced labor, and refused/did not require intervention, men,
>doctors, or the mothers themselves.

I have my own feelings about the answer to this.  Every so often,
a smug posting appears from someone who had either a wonderfully easy
delivery or a difficult labor that they toughed out without drugs.
These letters typically extoll the virtues of unmedicated deliveries and
the worst of them go on to say that more women could do it IF THEY REALLY
WANTED TO.  I find this attitude absolutely infuriating, worse than
anything else I've encountered in this regard.  Aside from just
the newsgroup, it is a mentality that has turned the natural childbirth
movement into something of a monster--setting childbirth up as such
a proving ground for women.  

Rarely have I met a encountered sanctimony from a woman who has not
experienced labor.  Rarely also have I met men who sat in judgement
of women's choices during labor--if anything, my hunch is that many 
men would like to see their partners opting for more medication rather
than less; it can't be easy to watch your partner in that kind of
pain.  

Cheers,

Sue
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Drawing software for kids
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:46:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     A friend of mine, whom I've told about this newsgroup, gave me a
ShareWare program that is really neat looking.  While a couple years old,
I thought I'd report about it in case some of you didn't know but would like
to inquire about it.
     It's called KidPix, and it is compatible with most Macintosh drawing
programs, as it stores thing in Pix format.  Its menus seem much easier for
kids to operate because you don't have to worry about dragging things offscreen,
accidentally double-clicking and getting things you don't want, and that
sort of thing.  It also keeps the whole picture on screen, rather than
allowing one to scroll up and down, which can be confusing to a child.
     So, in case anyone wants to inquire, here is the e-mail and snail mail
address of the author of the program:

     Bitnet:  Chickman@oregon.uoregon.edu

     Regular:
     Craig Hickman
     615 East 39th Street
     Eugene, Oregon, 97405 

    Note:  I am not affiliated with the product, as I hadn't heard of it
before today, but if I had kids I would probably be a satisfied customer.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: karinc@ssd.intel.com (Karin Coffee)
Subject: Re: Eczema patches
Keywords: eczema
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.184131.13956@cbnews.cb.att.com> hovan@cbnews.cb.att.com (patricia.a.thomas) writes:
>We have a one year old son who has begun to have a patch of eczena on his cheek.
>Our pediatrician says it is common in fair-haired children and don't be too
>concerned.  He also has very bad hayfever and is being treated for that.
>She (our ped.) says the antihistimines he is taking will help relieve
>any itching he has.  In addition, I have been using a hydrocodisone cream.
>
>But it isn't getting any better!!!  There are times of the day when it is brightred. Other times it is less noticible.  But he heas such beautiful clear
>skin otherwise, that it really upets us to have this spot on his cheek.
>
>has anyone out there had any experience with eczema/skin allergies?  What
>did you do?  Should we go to a dermatologist and not "beleive" our
>pediatrician?  BTW, our pharmacist confrimed what our doctor said.

I was born with eczema and have lived with it all my life.  It is generally
worse when the weather is dry and hot or dry and cold.  Humidity can go
either way.  This summer has been very dry and hot, and I've been breaking
out in places I hadn't since I was a small child. 

The color fluctuations you see occur, and, as far as I know, are normal.
Usually, if it is inflamed, it itches more.

The type of eczema that I have is not caused by things I come in contact 
with.  It is caused by the same gene that causes my brothers' (2) asthma.
I also suffer from hayfever.  The antihistamines will help the itching.

I've been in and out of dermatologist's offices for years.  The best advice
is to moisturize, moisturize, moisturize.  They don't recommend that you
use hydrocortisone on the face, although they have given me a very
mild prescription for the occasional times that my face gets it.  I have a
much stronger prescription for my hands (which is my primary target zone).

The last dermatologist I saw had me switch to Dove soap.  It's about the
mildest thing out there unless you want to buy the soaps that melt.  
Recently, I was told to try Cetaphil lotion instead of soap.

Warm-to-cool showers, no baths :-(, no bubble bath, stay away from things
that are perfumed, and use lots and lots of moisturizer frequently.

I hope this helps.


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