From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:27:34 -0500
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In article <kosinov.721066584@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
> Jews were indeed heavily represented in the Bolshevic party (though not
>nearly as much as among Menshevics and some other Socialist opponents of
>Bolshevics). But that is nearly irrelevant, Since, unlike other socialist
>parties, Bolshevic philosophy and policy was completely and exclusively
>defined by Vladimir Ulyanov Lenin.

Ne pizdi. Ne lyubish' pravdu, da?

Trudovye lagerya i krasnyi terror pridumal i aktivno protalkival
nekto Leon Trotskiy. Navero ne evrei on byl.

S 2/3 sostava TsKa fraktsiya Trotskogo bylo ochen' dazhe opredelyayushei
politicheskoi siloi.

>  Now, let's examine the "Un- Russian" nature of Lenin's Bolshevism:

Ah. Naverno on byl patriot. I nekto po familii Pervus byl sovershenno
ne priochyom. A takzhe tam byl kakie-to Engel's s Marksom s ihnei
cherezvychaino gumannoi teoriei klassovoi bor'by. Naverno russkie.

>Lenin was raised in a Russian patriotic-coservative family of Ilya Ulyanov,
>a States-Councelor in His Magestie's Government. (The career of Alexander 
>Ulyanov is not an indication of family's radicalism. Most members of 
>Narodnaya Volya came from such "enlightened-coservative" families).

Aga. V pripadke konservatizma NV bombila tsarya.

>The
>preponderance of Asian-minority blood in Ilya Ulianov's veins is also not
>an argument against his patritism -- most Russian intellectuals with
>his ethnic background were patriots, and he certainly had no less Russian
>blood in him than The Sovereign of All the Russias himself.

A KTO govoril chto natsional'nost' voobshe imela kakoe-libo k etomu
otnoshenie? Eto vy, tovarishi evrei etu von' razveli. A teper'
delaete vid chto nichego ne bylo. Samye obizhennye.

[pizdezh pro psihiku lenina propushen kak bessmyslennyi]

>And, indeed, if not for the support of Russian Peasant--
>based SR's, Bolshevics could never have held on to power.

Kogda nibud' hot' odnu knizhku po istorii chital? U bol'shevikov
byla podderzhka tol'ko v bol'shih gorodah.

>Some notes in conclusion:
> Russians have no one but themselves to blame...

Evrei tozhe. Chto ya vsyo vremya i govoril.

> They were the only ones who could have stopped it, but didn't.

Ne prosh'e bylo by ne nachinat'?

>   Russians were indeed slaughtered under Lenin and Stalin, but in no greater
> proportion then Jews or other minorities.

Kvoty dlya evreev v VUZah (esli byli) byli v lyubom sluchaye ne men'she
chem vb proportsii k naseleniyu. Vash argument, tovarish.

>   One of the main executors of LENIN's Red Terror was, indeed, the 'Chukcha'
>   Trotsky, but the two others -- Krilenko and Dzerzhinsky -- were Slavs.

I oba ne imeli nikakogo politicheskogo vesa. Dekrety-to ne oni vypuskali.
Kstati, krasnyi terror pridumal i protalkival vsyoi-taki LT. Ne nado vrat'.

> INDEED, the only person in the Bolshevic Government who tried (unsuccessfully)
> to stop the Red Terror was another chukcha -- Isaak Steinberg.

Aga. Snachala on tuda popal a potom pytalsya. V teh mestah chistyh ne bylo.

> Now, a disclaimer:
>   this post was solely intended for decent people on this network, and is not
>   in any way intended to dissuade Antonov and his ilk from joining Pamyat.

Esli pod "dostoi'nymi" ponimat' lyudei kotorye prikidyvayutsya
"politicheskimi bezhentsami" uehavshi za belymi bulkami, to my
imeem sovershenno raznye ponyatia o tom chto takoe "dostoi'nyi".
Dostoinyh lyudei vysylali. A vy -- tak, govno.

>   First of all, nothing can accomplish such a Herculean
>   task, and secondly, Pamyat is were they belong.

Net, pochemu zhe. Dostatochno perestat' vrat'. Vy ne zasluzhili dazhe
togo chtoby vas kto-nibud' presledoval.

--vadim