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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Empathic question
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:42:48 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <MALCOLMC.92Sep4115550@redknee.spider.co.uk>, malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell) writes:
> It _is_ possible for a naturally talented empath to attack without
> realising it, on a subconscious level. The more training someone has,
> the less likely they are to do this, or the more likely they are to
> notice they are doing it. I wouldnt describe the results as serious
> harm, but certainly projection of negative emotion can be unpleasant.
> Even the most trained empath can do this, if they are overwhelmed with
> emotion...

Thank yu for addressing the question most directly.
 
> A true empath who is 'linked' to someone will feel the feedback from a
> projection like this, and know what they are doing very quickly.. And
> the 'attacker' can shield too, which also breaks the 'link'..

Okay, would there be aftereffects? As I understand it, she tried to shield (it
was the first thing she thought of) but he kept complaining for a short period
afterwards. And they were both affected for the rest of the night. I don't know
how effective she might have been in shielding either--it was a serious
argument, not the type conducive to good concentration.

At any rate, this does answer one of my questions--she did the right thing.
 
I appreciate your post; I don't care for the implication that good friends of
mine are neurotic and should undergo therapy, nor was I interested in breaking
up what seems to be overall a good marriage. I am still at a loss to comprehend
the situation--why a man as diehard a cynical skeptic as he is should accuse
anybody of psychically attacking him is beyond me.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: NLP 1st exercise
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:20:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <1992Sep10.001901.10886@lsil.com> jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291) writes:
>Is NLP similar to (self-)hypnosis?  The hypnotic frame of mind permits one
>to divide the use of one's mind as well.

1.  To seek the determination that thing A is "similar to" thing B is to miss
  the opportunity to see where they're different.

2.  Previous posts pointed out that NLP is grounded in Ericksonian hypnosis;
  virtually all good NLP practitioners are Master Hypnotists (some just avoid
  using the term 'cause it scares so many people off!)

---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                      and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
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---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                      and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: The Simon Iff Method (Was Re: Shielding)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 03:36:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I agree that the word implies something of  a hierarchy, but how
else could we distinguish the differences?

P.S. My favoritebook would have to be "The Long Walk" . Cant
seem to find it again... 
: 

--
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:37:53 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep10.083100.23025@reed.edu> kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson) writes:
>In article <JOSHUA.92Sep9102342@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>>get you' and 'trying to get in' eh?  why don't you try using a worldview in
>>which these kind of things don't exist? sure, that won't have the advantage
>
>This is, I believe, the third time that you have suggested this
>tactic.  It is simple enough to show no benefit from repetition.
>
>I find that your posts have decreased in quality since you recieved
>Jesus as the one true savior.
>
>>josh
>
>karl

I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds a decrease in the quality.

Is this true Josh?  Are you a Christer?  Don't you think that this
sex magick stuff is a bit conflicting with traditional Christian
family values? :)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: briansp@css.itd.umich.edu (Brian Spolarich)
Subject: Re: MAGIK
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:17:06 GMT

In article <1871.726.uupcb@factory.com> harish.reddy@factory.com (Harish Reddy)  writes:
>Does anyone have a 'spell or a mantr that I msy lesrn to furthrt my
>brlef?
>      Still hopefull(enternity snd the eternal circle)
>                                                                                                                              

    Huh?
    No really...
    Huh?
     -brian
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Psychic attack / shielding / empathy
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:49:58 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <VRAULS.92Sep14143402@sparta.nmsu.edu>, vrauls@nmsu.edu (goddess) writes:
> In article <199209102102.AA10533@intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:
> 
>    From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
> 
> Sorry, but this is a circular argument.  Adults don't pout about
> not being taken seriously because they ARE taken seriously more 
> often.  If you spend your teanage years (as I did) not being taken
> seriously at all, then I think you have a right to pout a bit.
> 
> I know nobody can piss me off like a person who doesn't take me
> seriously...even when I'm acting rationally.  Because I see many
> adults being taken seriously even when they're full of shit.
> (check out your least favorite candidate for election -or if
> you're more pragmatic all candidates).

Elections are one thing, but this is a text-only environment on alt.magick.
There are only two ways that we can tell if a person is a teenager:  if
they start the post by saying "hi, I'm sixteen years old" or if they sound
immature.

(Reminds me of a flame war that I got in on another newsgroup.  I said to
someone "You might want to shut up now because when you get out of college
and see more of life you're going to be embarrassed that you said these
things," and it turned out the guy had kids older than I am.  I still think
it was some kind of point - most of the posters thought he was eighteen.)

Dawn
"Oh, Time!  Of all the dwellers here below 
You only elevate buffoons or fools,
Or him whose anus as an inkstand serves."
The Perfumed Garden of the Shaykh Nefzawl, translated by Sir Richard F. Burton
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
Date: 9 Sep 1992 08:39:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi there, it's me again....

Um, I have a question for anyone that could help me...There is a spirit
in my house that is driving me absolutely buggy.  (I'm empathic and sen-
sitive to spirits so that gives me a double whammy :-).) Anyway, I've
tried burning yellow candles and that works quite well in the room that
the candles are in, but the only room I was allowed to burn in was my
room, which meant that I was very uncomfortable in the rest of the house...
Well, one day my parents decided to say that I was not allowed to burn
ANYTHING in the house, so there went my protections.  They told my sister
that they don't like the fact that I don't believe in Catholicism like
they do.  So, I tried building myself a shield of yellow light (like 
the light sheilds from the Sheild thread) and tried to expand it to the con-
tours of my room.  I forgot to leave an opening for the air duct, so 
until I figured that out, my room was the stuffiest in the house until
I put a hole in for the air duct.  That created another problem...the
hole leaves an opening into my room for anything that wants to get in.
The sheild worked perfectly until the hole was put in.  
	
My question is what can I do now?  The spirit hasn't manifested any nasty
qualities, he's mainly a trickster, but I still have a very nasty feeling
that anyone else who is sensitive can feel.  The only examples of his
work in the mundane world are things that are basically pranks, but of
the sort that my parents are blaming the three kids in the house (my 
sisters and I).  I talked to another Wiccan as to the cause of these pranks
mainly to confirm my own suspicions, and that person said that it was
probably the spirit and that was about it.

Ok, I'm done babbling now.  Any response would be appreciated.  E-mail
me if you prefer at:  eburke@huey.csun.edu.  Thanks in advance...

Bright Blessings,
Kethry
From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: about attacks and so forth as they pertain to empathy
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:15:37 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <JOSHUA.92Sep6071335@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>In article <Bu4yBG.5u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu 
>(brandywine) writes:
>>   In article <JOSHUA.92Sep4123934@dharma.cpac.washington.edu> 
>joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>   >what are you, about 19?
>well, you are oversensitve enough to see a flame that isn't there. ask
>tagi or BA how I express myself when I flame someone. I asked you how old
>you were. I notice you didn't answer.

No, brandywine, it's not only that he was not flaming you at full capacity,
but that he was proving that he didn't read your original post for 
comprehension -- an occasional fault in the best of us...

josh, in brandywine's original post she said (and I paraphrase):

	Being one of the under-23 crowd for several more weeks...

So she was simply protecting your reputation by assuming that your question
was rhetorical.

We're all *such* polite people in these fine points...

-- 
Shava Nerad Averett				shava_averett@unc.edu
/*  all materials (c)1992, Shava Nerad Averett, and have nothing significant
    to do with the University of North Carolina, a mostly owned subsidiary 
    of the NC Legislature, a mostly owned subsidiary of the DOT.      */
From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Mike Douglas-Llyr)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Any other Akkadians out there?
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:47:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


	I can suggest two books that you might investigate. Unfortunately, my 
copies are packed away, and I can't give you the authors' names. One is called 
"Ancient Near Eastern Religion. The other (an excellent reference!) is called
"Inanna, Queen of Heaven, Queen of Hell". Hope these help.
			michael

-- 




	Hokh'Ton	:	The Crystal Wind is the Storm,
  mdouglas@netcom.com	:	 and the Storm is Data,
Michael Douglas-Llyr	:	  and the Data is Life.
			:		---Player's Litany (The Long Run)
	
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: (Was: Shielding)  Now: Letting shields down.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 00:38:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
: 
: I find it much harder to be vulnerable.
: 
: 
It sounds to me like fear is blocking you. I would suggest
trying to imagine vulnerable situations. Role play them in
your mind. You will probably get hurt some in real life
but if you let the fear control your responses, you will
never get past it.

: Even so there are times when letting down all shields is what I 
: want to do, even just to make sure I can still do it and none get 
: stuck half-way down.  Much harder to be vulnerable, yes?  
: 
: Hurt me! :)
: 
: - Peggy -

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From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: ritual curse against an enemy (help wanted :-)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:50:34 GMT

In article <Bu2MBH.JKF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>tedrick@melody.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>
>>Can anyone tell me (or recommend a source for) some ritual curses
>>to use against enemies (assuming this is legal, are we still free
>>to do this kind of thing these days?)

	(brian's babble deleted, as I am answering the first post)

		To avoid any karmic kickback, if such exists, you should try the 
following: pull a karma call on them.
	Simply do a ritual with some symbol or concept that represents all their 
karma coming bck for a specific action.
	You will recieve karma for similar actions, but if they do not exist, you
are in the clear: example.  X rapes a person.  i do a karma callback on x.  X gets
3 times the karma back immediately for raping the person.  i have never raped a 
person, so I get 3X0 karma back - in other words, none.

		It is safe, and natural laws do not seem to mind the concept.

		Call it speeding justice.

					DODGER
From: brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Somethings wrong... Not quite right....
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:32:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


i was hoping that someone could explain what happened here...
i think it might be that i am just very inexperienced with magick, and need to
practice more...  

i did a money attracting spell a week ago... 
it was herbally inclined if you know what i mean...
i put herbs like high john, lavender, etc. and 3 silver pieces (dimes) in a 
green cloth and tied it... all the while focusing on money...

well, so far i am about $70 into debt...  i think maybe i was concentrating
on my money problems instead of cash coming to me.  are there any other reasons
this worked out reverse?  can i correct this, or should i just practice and
try again all over?

thanks!

brenda



-- 
brenda@wpi.wpi.edu    "I've been singin' the blues ever since the world     
152 West St. Apt 2     began..."
792-3243                                      ~ Jim Morrison
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From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: power points in general and geomancy
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:34:45 EDT

Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes...

> [regarding geomancy]...
> It seems the Chinese have really developed this to an art form.  I
> haven't heard of it becoming such a business venture for Western
> magicians.  Anybody know where the Golden Dawn's system of 'geomancy'
> came from?

It's Islamic, I believe.  I once saw a book that described a kind of
'machine' (just a box with gears in it) that allowed a geomantic divination
to be carried out by just turning a few cranks.  It looked somewhat like
an Islamic astrolabe, and was constructed in medieval times.

And isn't _Napoleon's_Book_of_Fate_ a 'parlor' version of this type of
divination (with tabulated 'fortunes' and all)?
____________________________________________________________________________
   "Hold your fire -- Keep it burning bright..."

                                  Steve Cranmer
                                  cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Psychic Defence. Help needed
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:57:45 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.002535.4898@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> 
braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:

>   Ok, I may be acting a bit silly but I feel that I may be the target
>   of a sub/concious psychic attack of some sort.

>   Anyone have any suggestions as to how I may overcome this???

I've said this before.

the best way to defend against psychic attack is to have your default
worldview be one where psychic attack does not occur.

in other words, one in which it does not exist.

josh


From: bon@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Brian O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:18:14 GMT
Subject: SOL Conf. 1992
Organization: HP Response Centre, Berkshire, England.
Newsgroups: alt.magick


	S.O.L Conference 1992

	Usual Place, Usual Time & Tickets from Usual Place

	It promises to be an Unusual event.

	Light in Extension,

			bon
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: power points in france
Date: 6 Sep 1992 23:32:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

It's funny that someone brought up the cathedral sites in France.  I've
been following this conversation for a little bit and was about to ask 
if there was anything going on in the sites.  I went to France in February
for a week and one of our stops was l'Catedral du Reime (sorry about the 
spelling, I speak Spanish not French...).  There I got the strangest feeling
and "saw" many people in period clothing.  It was very peaceful...almost *too*
peaceful even for a Church.  I "felt" alot of energy there as well.  When I 
asked my teacher about it all she said was,"Hmm, I figured that would happen,
thanks for telling me."  I just wanted to know a little bit more about it...
Thanks....

		

		Kethry
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Need font w/ astronomical symbols
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:51:39 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

This article from comp.fonts may be of interest to you peepuhl...

In article <BRECHER.92Sep6191805@husc8.harvard.edu>
brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher) writes: 

 >There are several, including (but not restricted to) Mortbats and Hermetic,
 >both available by anonymous ftp from mac.archive.umich.edu, of course.

 >FO/MORTBATS      69     8/12/90    BinHex4.0,StuffIt1.5.1
 >/mac/system.extensions/font/type3/mortbats.sit.hqx
 
 >   Size:  12, 24
 >   Morbid dingbats (assorted creepy symbols such as skulls, snakes,
 >   spiders),  astrological, I Ching, rune, and religious  symbols
 >   (and a smiley face, martini glass symbol) Includes laser font file.
 
 >FO/DTFVOL3      344      1/25/92   BinHex4.0,Compact1.33
 >/mac/system.extensions/font/type1/dtfvolumethree.cpt.hqx
 
 >   Three typefaces.  Enochian is an "angelic" or typeface used in
 >   witchcraft circa 1580. Runic-Futhark fonts contain sans serif,
     ^^^^^^^^ I know, I know. Non specialists... :)
 >   serif and a Turkish-derived script.  These two fonts are type one
 >   (with a separate TrueType suitcase) and bitmap sizes 9, 10, 12,
 >   14, 18, 24.  The third font set is Hermetic, which contains
 >   elementary Hebrew, Astrological, Alchemical and Magick symbols.
--
Chris Lilley
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From: kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kerwin Yap Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: power points in france
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:32:21 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The theory that I have heard is that there is a protective net around
the earth which has several *dents* in it.  These dents actually reach
down to (and possibly into) the earth, forming the said power points,
not all of which are marked (like Stonehenge, the Pyramids, etc.).  The
net is supposedly made from some form of energy that sensitive people
can percieve (and manipulate? I have a hard time dealing with all of
these monuments and the like precisely built upon these points).  my
information is rather vague, and I'd like to be enlightened along with
everyone else if someone knows what the dickens I'm talking about.


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u@andrew.cmu.edu
Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: anger
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:51:00 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <65482@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
> 9209.08 e.v. [The Birthday of my Abyss!]
> 
> Most of the books I've found on 'magic(k)' warn against such attacking
> spells.  Most mages are too afraid to face their own anger.  Many would-be
> mages are simply programmed by our prophylactic culture into do-nothingism.

What would you suggest doing with anger?  I've tried so hard to be a good
little smurf^H^H^H^H^Hwiccan, but I do seem to have a hard time dealing with
some of these darker feelings.  I feel uncomfortable using any of these
types of spells, but I'm afraid if I personally dismembered and roasted 
the object of my disaffections the neighbors might look at me funny.

(OK, I'm being a smartass, but it's still a serious question and I hope
someone answers it.)

Dawn
"Oh, Time!  Of all the dwellers here below 
You only elevate buffoons or fools,
Or him whose anus as an inkstand serves."
The Perfumed Garden of the Shaykh Nefzawl, translated by Sir Richard F. Burton
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:59:26 GMT
Subject: Re: ASTRAL PLANE
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: about attacks and so forth as they pertain to empathy
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<JOSHUA.92Sep4123934@dharma.cpac.washington.edu>
	<Bu4yBG.5u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 15:13:35 GMT


In article <Bu4yBG.5u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu 
(brandywine) writes:

>   In article <JOSHUA.92Sep4123934@dharma.cpac.washington.edu> 
joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

>   >In article <Bu26w8.DyF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu 
>   >(brandywine) writes:

>   >>   about attacks and so forth....
>   >>   [lots of more than usually self-important stuff deleted]

>   >what are you, about 19?

>   why josh, I thoguht this was an open forum
>   forgive me for trying to share....
>   if by self important, you meant important to me... 

no, that's not what self-important means.

>                                                      it is
>   but I shared it not to look good, but to make a point....
>   thankfully, I am not so over sensitive that I will let your obvious
>   *FLAME* 

well, you are oversensitve enough to see a flame that isn't there. ask
tagi or BA how I express myself when I flame someone. I asked you how old
you were. I notice you didn't answer.

>   prevent me from posting.....
>   nice try tho....

now, whatever gave you the idea that I was trying to prevent you from
posting. If I wanted to prevent you, or anyone else from posting. I
would just do it. cancelling someone elses messages is trivial.

regards,
josh