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From: etllnfr@bagpuss.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher)
Subject: Re: Just how much of SW did Lucas make up as he
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:12:43 GMT

The Point I was trying to make was that SO much of the original film was
changed or evolved during production that it is pointless to view SW as
a complete pre thought out entity.

TODAY Lucas can say "Yep I had the whole thing mapped out from the start!"
but all the evidence that exists from that time seems to show that he
didn't. Really we shouldn't be supprised, thats the way the creative    
process works, you have a number of different ideas and "Pick and Mix"
the elements you like. The only thing it really affects is this curious
idea of what is "Cannon". A lot of writers to this group have said that
the book "Spinter in the Minds Eye" is NOT cannon and "was never cannon".

This is rubbish (as is the book IMHO). At the time of "Splinter..."
the "Star Wars Universe" consisted of one film, the novelisation of
that film and an authorised follow up writen by the author of the       
novelisation. "Splinter.." stopped being "Cannon" the moment ESB
appeared because the two conflicted and the film has presidence.

IF ESB had started with Luke saying something like, "Gee Leia you
had a tough time with Vader but at least NEXT time we can use the
power of the crystal!" (Yuck, shudder. Err sorry :-) ) Then
"Splinter..." would still be cannon as it would if ANH had been the
only movie.

One final point. When I wrote the section about Han being Lucas's
character I hadn't seen the "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles."
As a result I will modify my statement.
Luke is YOUNG Lucas (as is Young Indie) he's impetuous, trusting and
more than a little naive (sp?). Han (and Indie) are older Lucas
tough, cynical, determined, no ones sucker. Both Luke and young Indie
go out into a larger world with eyes dazzled by the wonder of everything
ready to fight the good cause. Han and Indie are both out for the profit
and the glory, they get diverted towards a more noble purpose because
the bad guys make it a personal fight. Han couldn't care less what the 
Empires doing until they start doing it to HIM. The same for Indie
and the Thugs in "Temple..."

Luke can believe in the rebelion, he can believe in a better world.
Han cann't, he's older and knows that if the rebels win their "New
Republic" will probably be as corrupt as the old one. He's fighting
for HIMSELF.

What this says about Lucas's psychology I don't know. Perhaps he feels
that others have betrayed the idealism of his youth and has decided
to believe only in himself.

Anyway enough psychobabble.

What does everyone else think?

Fletch.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:06:45 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?

In article <1992Jul27.154856.7780@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:

>* the spy following Luke & Ben thru Mos Eisley to the Falcon

My wife and I lovingly refer to this guy as dick-nose and penis-face.
I dont think he would have gone over too well as a figure.  Imagine
your parents seeing you pick up a package of "Phallus-Face" at
Toys-R-Us for Christmas....

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From: zezula@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Chad E Zezula)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:00:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul27.033226.3205@dmpe.csiro.au> barker@dmpe.csiro.au ( David Barker) writes:
>Speaking of these two characters, does anyone know if they released
>figures of them with the other SW figures?
>
 No, they didn't.
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Darth Vader lives
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:16:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


The whole point of the Darth Vader lives t-shirts was that it was emphasizing
the fact that he was still around alive at the end of ANH.  Sort of saying,
"Yeah, the good guys won, but a head bad guy wasn't completely vanquished."
By having those shirts, it sort of added to the mystique of Star Wars.
-- 
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: What IS the complete list of Star Wars books?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:09:44 GMT

>>>>> On 31 Jul 92 02:21:54 GMT, markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) said:

markb> Well, I'm afraid "complete" isn't possible, since they're
markb> coming out with a new series of chidlren's books! Published by
markb> Bantam and written by Paul & Hollace Davids. The promo on the
markb> inside is:

(list deleted)

So how much of a "children's book" is it. Would adults enjoy it, or is
it just to toned down, or what?

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: The Doors
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 19:22:08 GMT

The Doors was a great band - if you liked 'em. The Doors in Star Wars:
ANH in Death Star are great - if you like them. I don't. But I don't
like The Doors band either.

It has always irritated me how incredibly fast those doors close. When
someone push the 'Close the door' button, the door comes down with The
Speed. I really wouldn't like to be under the door in Death Star when
it closes. Why would someone make that fast-moving doors in the galaxy
far, far away?
 
And, another door thing: I'm just watching ANH and in my copy the
stormtroopers kindly first ask someone to close the blast doors and
then they change their mind and want to get them open again. And, I've
seen here such quotes which say 'Close the blast doors! Close the
blast doors! ... Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!'.

However, in my copy of the movie, there is only one 'Close the blast
doors!' but two 'Open the blast doors!' lines. So are the
Stormtroopers wiser in my copy and need only one request to close the
blast doors? Is there somewhere stupid stormtroopers who need
everything to be told twice?

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
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From: mel@Armstrong.EDU (Mel F. Buchheit)
Subject: Re: What IS the complete list of Star Wars books?
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:07:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.041739.9387@ultb.isc.rit.edu> djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Besides The Han Solo Trilogy, by Daly, and Zahn's new trilogy,
>what other books are there, and where can I grab them?
>
>I seem to recall a Lando Calrissian series.
>
>Authors' names would be appreciated.

Augh! I have the whole trilogy.  While the first book was readable, the
last two were HORRID!!!  I don't even think that I could finish reading
the last one. (It made Splinter of the Mind's Eye look like Hugo
material)

The author's name was something Neil.  I'll go home and find out (if I
can find were I buried them.)

Mel


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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:12:00 GMT

In article <l7gm2fINNnf6@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <jk2xd3h@rpi.edu> caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes:
>>Figure that Luke would have to
>>be a bleedin' ninny (not gettin' into this one) *not* to know who 'that guy
>>in black' was.....
>You never know, maybe he didn't. Luke's reaction to Ben,"....A young Jedi
>named Dath Vader, was a pupil of mine til he turned to evil..." doesn't
>say to me that he was familiar with the name.
>You have to remember that Vader wasn't of very high command in ANH.
>Of course, all the above is my HO.

True enough, but luke's reaction seemed to me to be along the lines of
"Vader was your *pupil*?!?!?!!?!" than anything else... i.e.,  if Luke
had never heard of vader before, he probably wouldnt have *had* a reaction
to begin with.
Kinda like if a cs prof told me he once taught carasso... :-)

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From: 10726446@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (LAU WAI KUEN)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.050816.19025@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) writes:
>From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
>Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
>Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:08:16 GMT

>In article <91761@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>>In article <BruMxE.MBy@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu
>>(Richard Bell) writes:
>>
>>A shuttlecraft is not as maneuverable as an X-wing and will be shot down
>>immediately. Also, the Feds (and Klingons, Romulans, too) never used
>>transporter as a weapon, thus there must be a problem somewhere.

>Yeah...like a lack of sneakiness.  They were able to get rid of the 
>Genesis device (movies).  They got rid of Nomad (old series).  They
>got rid of the tribbles.  And don't forget countless acts of
>espionage and sabotage. 

>Must be due to some goody-two-shoes treaty.


    You all forget; ST writers _must_ have ST win all the time, whereas the 
SW writers (more realistically) have both rebels and empire win and lose 
battles.  Obviously, ST would just bring their writers in and (in STNG), 
talk the emperor into being a nice cuddly type person.  I think I need to go 
and throw up now.

Halcyon

"Wheeze, wheeze, wheeze";Darth 'How the fuck can I breath in this thing'Vader
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From: golden@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Timothy A. Goldenburg)
Subject: For sale: SW clock
Keywords: clock
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:16:56 GMT

I have a Star Wars Talking Alarm Clock for sale.  It is the one that
is 9" tall w/ R2 and 3PO standing on a base with the speaker on the bottom.
The clock is wind up, and the voice is battery operated.  If anyone
is interested, please mail me.  Thankx.

Tim Goldenburg

golden@ponder.csci.unt.edu

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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Soundtracks
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:51:24 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-129]: bourbon

In article <92203.135902EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (BIG ED) writes:
>
>     Well, I finally got my hands on the Gephardt version of "Empire" on CD.
>I must say, I am rather impressed, though it is not as good as Williams. Find-
>ing this CD has set off a spark in me. I'm determined to find out how I can get
> some of this missing music from soundtracks on CD.
>     Perfect example. When I was 8 or 9, I bought the "Empire" soundtrack on
>LP (a two record set, I must add) and was constantly playing it to death. Then
>when I finally got my CD player over two years ago, I went out to replace my LP
> with a crystal clear CD. Well I did replace it but a lot of the music was
>deleted from the CD. I mean c'mon. I can see maybe a track or two, but they
>deleted 7 tracks from the CD.
>     I guess I got so fed up with it last week, that I wrote a letter to Poly-
>Gram and told them a thing or two. I did it rather tactful, so I'm hoping for
>a response soon. Anybody have a good reason why this masacre occured?
>
	The TESB CD is a source of frustration to many soundtrack collectors.  
I bought mine, as you did, to add a "perfect" copy to my collection.  Imagine
my surprise to find the same situation you did.  If you'll notice, not only
are nearly half the cuts missing, but they are entirly in the wrong order.
Instead of beginning with the "Overture," we hear "The Imperial March!"
	How did this happen?  Simple:  Polygram didn't want to incur the cost
of releasing a double CD set, so they whittled it down to fit on one.  Why are
they out of order?  Polygram had already issued a similarly cut down version
of the TESB soundtrack, i.e., the audio cassette version.  Their choice of
cuts and order of inclusion on the CD are the same as the previously released
audio tape version.
	So, Polygram saves a few bucks and we get a mangled product...

>
>                                     -Ed
>
> ======================================================================
>             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
> "There are two ways to be, and truth does not depend on me." -King's X
> ======================================================================


Derek Toten
From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:01:19 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul24.213538.13802@ucunix.san.uc.edu> weaverd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Dana M. Weaver) writes:
>ok... first, If I recal correctly (quick someone go check thier copy!) Gold
>leader comented to the various squads to put full power to the DEFLECTOR
>SCREENS (this is all in caps for refference latter :).  This was due to the
>shields around the death star, when the X/Y-wings approached they suffered
>a good bit of electical storm kind of interference (ie. flashing lights, 
>thunder, etc...).  I assume that this is the shield being mentioned.  also,

I thought that this "storm" was actually explosions resulting from 
incoming denfensive fire from the Death Star.

>
>back to the all caps word above...  If one term is used consistantly throughout
>the film it is 'deflector' screens (or deflector shields:) but deflector is
>the important part.  They are constantly being shifted around the MF, X-wings,
>etc... "Put full power to the forward deflector shields" and such.  Now, my
>theory (mark that as an IMHO) is that they are some sort of magneticaly induced
>shielding designed not to absorb damage (a shield) but to rather to redirect it
>(hence the name deflector).  Look at some of the still shots of the MF being
>shot at in the various movies.  notice that when the blaster shot makes contact
>with one of the screens at a right angle the MF take a solid hit.  BUT, when
>the shot is a smaller angle it is DEFLECTED! (not stoped)

Support for this hypothesis might come from Solo...Didn't he say something
like (as he was [as usual] fleeing] "One more direct hit on the 
rear deflector screen and we're all finished"?


           Yeshua das
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RPG help requested.
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:24:46 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I do not play the Star Wars RPG nor do I plan to but I was wondering which
books are good for use as referencing things from the Trilogy?  I have
the RPG hardcover book, the sourcebook, and the Imperial sourcebook.
I enjoy the sourcebook very much.  Which galaxy guides would you guys
recommend? Is the Rebel sourcebook worth buying?

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Droid Numbers
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:26:09 GMT
Reply-To: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Jul28.135231.127@pro-freedom.cts.com>, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes...
>>21B (where does the '-' go? :))
> 
>2-1B (actually, it is Two-OneBee)

Actually it is Too-Onebee.

--Gallandro, of Nit-Pickers Anonymous

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Droid Numbers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 29 JUL 92 08:37:18    

In article <1992Jul26.225859.1355@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes...
>R2-D2
>R5-D4
>C-3PO
>IG-88
>FX-7
>21B (where does the '-' go? :))
> 
>What do these designations mean? Are they model numbers like a
>386-SX, or actual serial numbers to identify *specific* droids?

Ray Chramega posted this a few months ago:

] Droid names aren't actually four characters long. The names people in the
]Star Wars galaxy call their droids by are actually abbreviated forms of the
]droid's serial numbers. According to the MPC Android Assembly Manuals that
]were included with the original releases of the See-Threepio and Artoo-Detoo
]model kits in 1977, See-Threepio's serial number is C-3PO/Z195A46 and
]Artoo-Detto's is R2-D2/Y477Q9O. Therefore, while you may certainly find more
]than one droid named See-Threepio in the galaxy... If it ever comes down to
]distinguishing between them you'll need to check out their serial number
]suffix to tell them apart. Perhaps this is why two identical looking droids
]in the films had variations in their paint jobs.
]
]-Ray

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Dark Empire
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:49:47 GMT

From article <SS.92Jul22075132@wpi.WPI.EDU>, by ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter):
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:01:27 GMT, is430a13@umbc5.umbc.edu (is430a13) said:
> 
> 
> is430a13> Can anybody tell me anything about the "Dark Empire" comic
> is430a13> series? I've heard it mentioned but havent seen it in the
> is430a13> traditional comic outlets, unless I'm missing something. Is
> is430a13> this a special "novel like" comic series like the "Dark
> is430a13> Knight" series? Can anyone tell me where it can be ordered
> is430a13> from? Thanks!
> 
> Well it is a 6-issue mini-series. The books come out every other month
> which is probably why you haven't seen them. Were up to issue 4 right
> now, but Dark Horse Comics (the publisher) will be putting out a 2nd
> printing of the first 3 issues sometime soon.

	And talking to Tom Veitch in the Fidonet Star Wars conference,
there will be a Dark Empire II.  Not neccessarily called that, but definetly
another series(!)...
 
 TTYL
 Chris
From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas interview
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:56:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

In article <1992Jul28.032443.3406@news2.cis.umn.edu>, moses@seasnake.micro.umn.edu (Matthew E. Moses) writes:
|> 
|> For everyone's info:
|> 
|> Just received my latest issue of LucasFilm Fan Club magazine.  In there they
|> announce that the next issue will be an exclusive interview with George
|> Lucas which will try to answer some of the rumours floating around about the
|> start of a new Star Wars trilogy as well as, discuss the Young Indy series.
|> It didn't really specify that there is going to be a new trilogy but it is 
|> supposed to give George Lucas's plans/ideas for Star Wars.
|> 
|> When it comes out(probably a couple months) I can post a summary if there is 
|> interest.
   ^^^^^^^^

Are you kidding????

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From: bdwest@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (AURA)
Subject: Re: stupid
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:38 EST  

In article <3o74NB7w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>, crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes...
>ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
> 
>> >>>>> On 16 Jul 92 13:00:56 GMT, setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (Ebbhead) said:
>> 
>> setlik> Ok, don't get me wrong.  I dearly love the trilogy, but here
>> setlik> are some things that I think are stupid.
>> 
>> Ok. Why does the Death Star need a trash compactor? If they have a
>> designated space for trash, why compact it? If it gets full, blow it
>> into space. And how the hell did that moster that attcked Luke get on
>> the Death Star in the first place. A pet?
>> --
>>                         Scott Streeter
>>                         ss@wpi.wpi.edu
> 
>Well, I don't know anything solid about the monster (is it described in 
>any of the SW RPG manuals??), but my guess has always been that it is 
>responsible for the consumption of organic materials.  I don't remember 
>seeing a whole lotta food or organic waste sitting the compactor.
> 
>Then again, another part of my theory used to be that the destruction of 
>the organic waste would destroy the smell that would most certainly 
>travel up and out of the shaft that Leia "opened" for their escape.  But, 
>as Han says, "What an interesting smell you've discovered."  So, it still 
>stank.
> 

Just to add, the idea that the monster in the compactor was to devore organic 
is a good one in my opinion. When the trash was compacted it escasped through a 
door seemingly provided for it, I doubt it would instictually know when the
trash was about to compact, over time perhaps but it would have smashed 
well before now if it was depending on a learning curve.

The smell could come from the creatures own waste products as well as the 
smell of corroding metals, chemicals mixing together, etc.  

	- you can profit by this Jabba or be destroyed - Luke Skywalker