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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 16:19:23 EDT
From: <32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
 <DCAMPBEL.92Sep2102254@timshel.austin.ibm.com>
 <1992Sep2.212615.5224@pony.Ingres.COM>

In article <1992Sep2.212615.5224@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
says:
>
>In article <DCAMPBEL.92Sep2102254@timshel.austin.ibm.com>,
>dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell) writes a lot of
>stuff that I agree with 100%.  One small point...
>
>>   1.  Keep things moving from one song to the next.  People hate it when
>>       you take a minute break between every song to tune your guitars or
>>       figure out what you're going to play next, etc.
>
>On the other hand, if you need to tune an instrument, tune the instrument.
>Do it as fast as you can, but take however much time it takes.  If you're
>capable of engaging in clever banter while getting it in tune, fine, but
>if you can't concentrate on both cleverness and tuning, tune, and let
>someone else in the band be entertaining.  Or just tune and be quiet.
>It will be equally frustrating for both you and your audience if you
>just plow ahead on an out-of-tune instrument because of some misguided
>idea of pacing.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   -__ __ /_   Jon Berger              "If you push something hard enough,
>  //_// //_/   jonb@ingres.com          it will fall over."
>_/ ---------                              - Fudd's First Law of Opposition

A joke my band uses occasionaly (this might be old but...)

"We're gonna do a little Chinese song here, it's called
 Tu Ning"  then tune your guitars.  Its good for a laugh.

                  Doc
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon NUNIS)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:16:42 GMT
Subject: LimeLight...
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers

Hi everyone!

I just saw an ad in KEYBOARD regarding a PC sequencer called LimeLight by
BeBop systems.  Has anyone seen/used/heard about this sequencer?

If you have, then please send me email.

Thanks

simon ;)

nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: tjt@blink.att.com (Tim Thompson)
Subject: free Leslie and pre-amp
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:58:18 GMT

I have an old Leslie I'd like to give to someone, if anyone wants it.
It's a Model 122, with a tube amp (25W?) and single (12"?) speaker at the
bottom with a rotor.  Cabinet is wood (mohogany?), ~ 3'x2'x2.5',
a few chips on the edges.  Last time I tried it, the motor worked,
but there was a very loud buzz from the speaker - it's definitely
a fixer-upper.  I also have the separate large pedal unit (w/cable)
that includes a pre-amp and motor control switch - it's probably
much more valuable than the Leslie itself.  Both are free to the
first person who wants to pick them up at my home in Howell, New Jersey.
If I can't give them away, the cabinet has a date with a chainsaw.

 ...Tim Thompson...tjt@blink.att.com...908-363-0285 (night) 908-949-4339 (day)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: SynthAxe Drumitar?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:05:03 GMT

kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:

[stuff deleted...]

>But having said that, I still have to wonder, what's the point of 
>inventing a new synthesizer and developing a new technique with the 
>goal of sounding just like some acoustic instrument?
>If you want to sound just like you're playing an acoustic X,
>why don't you just play an acoustic X?  Especially if you're playing
>something resembling jazz, which generally utilizes the nuances of the 
>acoustic instrument, nuances that are so subtle & varied that they
>couldn't possibly show up in digial samples.  Is this just an image thing?

Wouldn't it be nice if you could stand out front and mix it with the 
egomaniac guitar players Brian? :-)

Also a rack mount sampler, dum-axe can be set up and torn down in 2 minutes?
(well, add sample loading time :-).

Scott.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
From: dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: Peavey S-3 ?
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:39:19 GMT


Despite my long-standing aversion to anything Peayey, especially their
guitars (remember the T- series?) I played one of their new ones last week
and was pretty impressed. It was a Generation S3, a Telecaster body with
hollow tone chambers, a Telecaster bridgeplate and pickup, and two Strat-type
pickups in the mid and neck positions. The bridge pickup tone was very
close to a good Tele with slightly less treble bite, and the other pickup
positions were good Strat approximations, thus allowing both a great country
tone and blues tone on the same guitar, something I've wanted for years.
I'd like to play one through a better amp than the one in the music store
drag one of my amps down to a local Peavey dealer and give the guitar a real
tryout. Anyone out there have one of these things? If not for the surgery
required, I'd put a Tele bridge and pickup on my Strat to see if I could get
a similar sound.
Maybe if I put my Warmoth neck on the Peavey noone would know what it was...

;^)

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INTEL FOLSOM (California)              |Midi guitars, basses, synths, CAD tools
DESIGN ENGINEERING, EPG GROUP          |and assorted other techno-beasties
From: billh@hplsla.hp.com (Bill Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Metronome advice?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:30:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.6200012
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

Does anyone have any recommendations for a metronome?  I had a Wittner
Super Mini Taktell, but it is about 20 years old and has been dropped too
often, so it doesn't work nearly as well as it once did.

Looking in a Shar catalog, I see it is still made.  I also see battery
powered units from Seiko, Franz, Tempus Primo and Ultra-Tek.  Does anyone
have any up-to-date experience with any of these or any others?  I would
think it would need to be easy to see and/or hear while playing, reasonably
rugged (we have 4 kids who play instruments, so it will get a fair amount
of use), and accurate.  

If you email me, I will summarize and post.  Thanks for any help.

Bill Harris
billh@lsid.hp.com      

Hewlett-Packard Co. 
Lake Stevens Instrument Division ms/330
8600 Soper Hill Road
Everett, WA 98205-1298 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik)
Subject: Re: RE: `The Annotated "American Pie"'
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:16:27 GMT

From article <1992Aug19.175243.26444@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, by bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi):
> Has Don McLean seen this commentary on his song?  I remember some interview
> with him where he claimed he was falling-down drunk when he wrote the song
> and didn't even know what half of it was about.  
> 
Now, the song I'd really love to see "annotated" is the semi-country
song "Lookin' Out My Back Door".
The one that goes:
    Just got back from Illinois,
    Locked the fromt door...
    Oh boy!
    Look at all those happy creatures...
    etc.
    
I'd love to hear what people think he was writing about.

Ron Capik    at AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ     via: europa@cbnewsh.att.com

Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9321 alt.guitar.bass:1236
From: alh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Al Hooton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Opinions wanted on Peavey TNT-160, Combo 300, DataBass.
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:30:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Folks,
	Any opinions on the relative merits of the following Peavey bass gear?

	- TNT-160 (new for $320, 92 model)
	- Combo 300 (new for $500, 92 model)
	- DataBass, with 15" driver (new, for $400, 90 model?)


	Also: Has anybody actually used a Fender BassPak (or StereoPak, for
guitar players) as a pre-amp with any kind of power amp?  Now, don't flame
me, I know this isn't exactly a hot setup, but I've already got a BassPak
which I use a jam-along-box when I don't want to wake up other people in
the house.  I'm thinking I might be able to spend a little more money on
a power amp and an enclosure now, use the BassPak as the preamp, and then
pick up a real preamp later when I get some more money.  Other than doing
this, I'll probably go with one of the combos listed above, unless I get
some really bad info about them.  My first choice would be the DataBass,
although somebody else already has it on layaway   :-(.  After that, I
really like the Combo 300, although the price on the TNT-160 is pretty
damn good!

	Thanks for the help/opinions!!

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Hotel California solo: who's playing?
Organization: NASA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:05:23 GMT

Scott O'Hare writes
> In article <1992Aug26.055804.1685@nntp.uoregon.edu>  
levitin@darkwing.uoregon.edu writes:
> >Jim Lynch asks who Joe Walsh is, in the context of The Eagles. Walsh
> >is considered by many to be one of the great guitarists of the 60s and
> >70s.  His first group, the James Gang, out of Ohio, made some great
> >guitar rock and is considered an important and influential Americn
> >rock band.  One of their well=known tunes is "Funk #49."  
> 
> Another song on the original "James Gang" album, called "Tend My Garden" 
> contains a cool power chord hook, which was stolen by Tom Scholz and used
> as a key hook in the Boston tune "Competition" - (a pet peeve of mine...)

  Hmmm... I never made that connection.  I guess you're right; I've never  
really thought of Boston's music as being that original.  But they do have a  
distinctive sound and style, for what it's worth.

  Incidentally, my favorite acoustic/vocal solo of all time is "Garden Gate,"  
the follow-on to "Tend My Garden" on The_James_Gang_Rides_Again.  It's just Joe  
and his acoustic, and the playing is simple yet delightful.  BTW... he tunes  
the whole guitar down a step, with the exception of the 6th string, which he  
tunes to C (down _two_ steps!).

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: marshall jmp-1 preamp ?
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:02:17 GMT

In article <bert.714870849@athena.llnl.gov> bert@iti.org (Bert Still)  
writes:
> 
> 
> back in january, i had the opportunity to hear a demo of the marshall
> jmp-1 midi preamp.  the demo consisted of a guitarist playing a medley
> of tunes through a jmp-1 (with a korg a3 in the effects loop "to
> provide only chorus and reverb") and then into a marshall 9005 power
> amp (50 watts per side rackmount tube amp).  quite frankly, i was very
> impressed, and i have been sort of watching and waiting to see one
> appear in a store where i could play with it myself.  but, so far that
> hasn't happened.  i have seen the jmp-1 advertised in some of the mail
> order catalogs (e.g., musician's friend), but i am still wondering
> about the availability of the product.  perhaps more to the point, i
> am curious about the reliability of the unit (assuming that marshall
> have encountered production problems, then there must be a reason --
> the 30th anniversary combos are ubiquitous).
> 
> any opinions or comments about the beastie?

I really wanted to get my hands on this. Unfortunately, Musician's Supply  
was (and still is) back ordered on it for months. I was using a credit to  
pay for it so I finally had to cancel my order to get my cash back,  
otherwise I would've stayed on the waiting list. They were completely  
unable to predict it's arrival, though they made great efforts to imply it  
was just around the corner...

AK
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:56:54 GMT

 
5) Clap your hands above your head and say "C'mon and clap your hands
   along with us on this song" and clap the rhythm ...
   clap, clap, clap-clap-clap, clap-clap-clap-clap, clap-clap
   Then you can bust into a rousing version of "Centerfield" or something.
   Audiences love that one.
 
6) Always tune up between songs. Do it at full volume. The singer can
   entertain the folks with a little story/rap that starts "I saw this girl
   across a crowded room..."
 
7) Tell them "We were wondering what it would be like to play <insert venue>
   and we just want you to know, this is the best audience we ever played
   for and we dig where your head is at!"
 
8) Say "Let's hear it for Rock-n-roll <pause> I can't hear you <pause>
   <putting hand to ear> I can't hear you! <pause>
   C'mon Let's hear it for Rock-n-roll! ....Yeah!!"
 
9) Try to be as superficial and phony as possible.
Oh, wait a minute. These are things that I *hate* to see bands do, sorry. ;-)
 
 
--Eric
From: bert@iti.org (Bert Still)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: marshall jmp-1 preamp ?
Summary: i liked the prototype, what about the "real thing"?
Keywords: opinions, availability, reliability
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:14:09 GMT



back in january, i had the opportunity to hear a demo of the marshall
jmp-1 midi preamp.  the demo consisted of a guitarist playing a medley
of tunes through a jmp-1 (with a korg a3 in the effects loop "to
provide only chorus and reverb") and then into a marshall 9005 power
amp (50 watts per side rackmount tube amp).  quite frankly, i was very
impressed, and i have been sort of watching and waiting to see one
appear in a store where i could play with it myself.  but, so far that
hasn't happened.  i have seen the jmp-1 advertised in some of the mail
order catalogs (e.g., musician's friend), but i am still wondering
about the availability of the product.  perhaps more to the point, i
am curious about the reliability of the unit (assuming that marshall
have encountered production problems, then there must be a reason --
the 30th anniversary combos are ubiquitous).

any opinions or comments about the beastie?


bert

******************************************************************************
used to be i was wet behind my ears,                  * bert still
used to be i was wise beyond my years.                * numerical math group
now the only thing behind those ears of mine...       * llnl
is my hairline.                                       * postdoc/mathematician
and i'm tripping the light fantastic on the grapevine.* and sometimes musician
                     -- helen keller plaid            * still1@llnl.gov
******************************************************************************
     wheaties, breakfast of champions; denny's, breakfast of post-docs...
******************************************************************************
--
******************************************************************************
   bert still, numerical math group, lawrence livermore national laboratory
  (510) 423-7875, still1@llnl.gov,  postdoc/mathematician/sometimes musician
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,nj.forsale,misc.forsale
From: nastasi@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joseph.l.nastasi)
Subject: Drummers Seat for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:43:55 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I have a brand-new, never-used (althoug it was put together)
drummer's throne (seat).  It is very well made and has an
adjustable backrest.  I received it as a gift, but what I 
really need is a drafting chair.  I would prefer to sell
to some one in Central NJ, but I'll consider everyone.
I am looking for $60 + shipping.

Thanks,
Joe Nastasi
AT&T, Middletown, NJ
(908) 957-6365 7am-4pm EST M-F

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:58:39 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Oh, wait a minute. These are things that I *hate* to see bands do, sorry. ;-)

You forgot:

10.  Insert as many swear words into the song you are playing as possible,
even if they aren't in the original.  This always gets the morons in the
crowd fired up.

11.  Make inside jokes with the other members of your band into the micro-
phone so that everyone can hear them.

mark schnitzius
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:25:36 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Sep3.012739.13969@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
>   Laugh about mistakes in your playing. Laugh about equipment problems.
>I always screw up lyrics and start mumbling into "Did you see any action?
>Biggoo hack Mary brains?" or stuff like that. People catch the fact that
>I'm smiling and they laugh.

A friend of mine used to play in a band that gave one of its members an award
at the end of every gig for the "best save of the night".  The audiences
always got a kick out of it.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: RE: `The Annotated "American Pie"'
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug27.161627.18090@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik) writes:
>Now, the song I'd really love to see "annotated" is the semi-country
>song "Lookin' Out My Back Door".
>The one that goes:
>    Just got back from Illinois,
>    Locked the fromt door...
>    Oh boy!
>    Look at all those happy creatures...
>    etc.
>    
>I'd love to hear what people think he was writing about.
>
>Ron Capik    at AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ     via: europa@cbnewsh.att.com
>
I always thought it was a pretty obvious drug reference train-of-thought
song (i.e. dose, and write whatever comes to mind down, try to figure it
out in the haze of the morning after).
Mostly because of:

"Won't you take a ride, on the sliding spoon..."
(or is it "gliding spoon"?)

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and, no, I never 'did' anything that required a spoon)
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted on Peavey TNT-160, Combo 300, DataBass.
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:15:36 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

In article <6828@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, alh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Al Hooton) writes:
|> Folks,
|> 	Any opinions on the relative merits of the following Peavey bass gear?
|> 
|> 	- TNT-160 (new for $320, 92 model)
|> 	- Combo 300 (new for $500, 92 model)
|> 	- DataBass, with 15" driver (new, for $400, 90 model?)

About the DataBass: the good point is that it has a decent graphic equalizer.
The bad point is that you need the eq to compensate for the inherently
somewhat boomy tone of that box. 

For $400 it is probably a good buy, though. And it is unbelievably loud
for such a small bass combo.

Victor.
From: blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Need a power amp recommendation
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I went through a power amp search a while back; I was originally very
interested in the Carver PM300.  At the time I also had a line on a used
Crown Power Base 1; a guy at a Denver sound reinforcement store (who
sells both brands) highly recommended the Crown over the Carver.  

He said that the Carvers don't push "low end" very well, at least compared
to the Crown.  One man's opinion, of course, but he sold me.  I've been
very happy with the Crown although I haven't pushed it very hard (YET!).

You'd probably need a Power Base 2 or one of the other amps that Crown
makes to meet your wattage requirements; the PB1 is 200W/side.  Of course
you could REALLY impress your friends and neighbors by getting the 
Crown amp that does a cool 8,395 watts into 0.5 ohm...

Blave
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC.DEMO
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:20:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

Yeah, lets do rec.music.promo.  And to the nettiquitely-correct out there:
I never would have heard of this in any other group.  I'm *glad* this is
getting posted here.  Who reads net.new_groups.extraordinarily_obsure_info
anyway?

And...if this group does go, count me in.  I've got some good questions, and
some almost-as-good stories/anecdotes/answers/etc.

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and promoing my latest demo-"FLASHBACK CADILLAC" by Modern Zoo)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:50:00 -0400 
From: Tom Lord <lord+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 99 Year Blues


> [Stuff about `floating verses' and improvised verses.]

I had suspected that, but never heard someone talk about it before.  Neat.
Still, the pick on the accoustic song i heard was close enough to Jorma's
electric bit that i thought there might be some connection between the two.

-t
From: jason@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jason Goldman)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:55:50 GMT
Subject: Re: A gig from heaven
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO