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From: raybro@utrcv1 (William R(ay) Brohinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Why use a PC for Music?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BrLHKM.CL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cottle@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (David M. Cottle) writes...

> 
>I think Lime is just as powerful, and more so since you can use it! (as
>you've noted below, what good is a VCR if you can't figure it out?).
>

I'll bite. What's a Lime? What platforms does it run on, is it commercial,
what are it's purpose and capabilities?

This sounds interesting. Which is more than I can say for the rest
of the PC/Finale debate. (Up 'til the mention of Lime, I hadn't
seen anything of worth in either discussion.)

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From: mike@yenta.alb.nm.us (Mike Werner)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Ensoniq SD-1 & Patch Librarians.
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:20:13 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm


Does anyone have any experience with the various patch librarians available
for the SD-1. Has anyone had any luck with any of the shareware librarians?
I have heard that SuperLibrarian will be comming out with a Mac Version for
the SD-1 within a month or so. Yes I am running a Mac but can run PC programs
on it as well.

					Any advice will be useful.
							Thanx,
							       Mike....

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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Cakewalk for Windows - Questions
Summary: how do i get my drums?
Keywords: Roland SCC1 Sequencer Cakewalk
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:13:39 GMT

Hi.  I purchased a Roland SCC-1 as well as a Roland PC-200 keyboard to
play music with it.  While the demos and games sound really good, I want
to try to do my own stuff with the setup.

Anyways, I downloaded the Wincake demo and everything seems pretty neat,
EXCEPT I can't/don't know how to do the following:

1.  How do I send a control message? With Winjammer I just insert a control
message, but with Wincake I can't find anything resembling it.  The help 
doesn't contain much info.

2.  The SCC-1 has 9 drum sets built in.  How can I enter in rhythm patterns
so that I can have some percussion?  I downloaded a little windows program
called drum.zip or something by Charles Petzold, which was like a little
drum machine.  I can click where I want a particular drum to go off, etc. and
it automatically repeats itself.

Are these just FAQ?  There has to be SOME way for Wincake to let be get a
drum beat going.....

Thanks for your help,
Phil
wu@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: sdpage@andersen.co.uk (Stephen Page)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: What is this group for?
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:02:51 GMT
Organization: Andersen Consulting (UK Practice)

miller@cs.rochester.edu (Brad Miller) writes:
>Not to be a weenie, but this group is looking more and more 
>like rec.music.synth every day. I thought it was about
>computer applications to music, not sales, looking for patches, etc.

The charter of this group is for computer applications in music research.

You are correct: it is not for discussion about MIDI, synthesizers, patches, 
etc etc. This material belongs in rec.music.synth, and it should be posted
there.

I recently posted the Music-Research Digest charter (comp.music was set up
to redistribute the Digest into the Usenet world). I'll arrange for a shorter
version to be automatically posted into Usenet on a monthly basis when I get
around to it.

Stephen Page
Moderator, Music-Research Digest.
From: lclarke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lee Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Finale vs. Encore
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:18:34 GMT
Reply-To: lclarke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lee Clarke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In comp.music, stevep@Cadence.COM (Steve Peterson) writes:
>Can anyone provide a reference to a review article that compares and/or
>contrasts these two programs with any other comparible programs?  Perhaps
>in Keyboard Magazine or Electronic Musician....
>
>Thanks....
>
>Steve Peterson
>stevep@cadence.com
>
>--
>Best Regards......
>
>Steve Peterson

Yes.
Electronic Musician magazine, September 1991
Article: EM Guide to Notation Software, page 44

Coda Finale 2.0, Passport Encore2.1 (PC) and
Coda Finale 2.6.1 Passport Encore 2.1 (Mac) and many more (!!!)
compared.

It's worth a look.

Lee Clarke
"opinions are my own"
lclarke@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Product-review group?!
Summary: Why does this group exist?
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: ?
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:25:00 GMT

I've been reading this group for a few months and it seems that
the majority of the postings are either for sale notices or plug/reviews
of various products. That's lame. Why don't people post discussions
that pertain to computer applications to composition and/or analysis? Are
there any composers out there? Theorists? Anybody actually compose
computer/ electro-acoustic music out there ( I mean in the strictest 
artistic sense, not like, you own a synth and are forming a band).
  Are there people using Max who have any interesting ideas about
how to construct fertile compositional algorithms? Any CSound, 
CMusic users? I'd just like to see some new and more stimulating
discourse besides "I just bought x-y-z software, how do I run it on
a-b-c machine, is it better than p-q-r software?"

Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.synth
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Why use a PC for Music?
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:24:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

My $0.02 as a Computer professional and student and music buff...

>I'd have to say this is not valid.  Not only are Macs easier to use than PCs,  
>they are much easier to maintain.  Apple prides itself on reliability; it has  
>one of the highest reliability ratings in the industry.  Clones do not.

I do work on a lot different systems: PCs, Mac, Sparcs, RS6000, DECStation...
and while PC is not crash or trouble proof, it sure rates quite high on
the reliability list.  The workstations crash more often then my PC.  I have
seen more crashes and hardware problems on the Mac.  The IIfx I am using
often crashes when I am working with Photoshop and some other Desktop 
Publishing programs.  
>
>
>I suppose this means they don't multitask.  This is an advantage?

Of course they do.
>
>
>>and don't hind behind Sesame Street-style "look at the pretty pictures
>>the clever machine can draw" interfaces for people with half a brain
>>incapable of any control mechanism that has more than one button (ie a
>>mouse).
>It pains me to hear idiocy like this.  If PCs were so great without a GUI, why  
>are they all going Windows?  In the early days of the Mac, PC users talked  
>about "Mac slowness" and "playing around instead of getting down to business";  
>i.e. they really were suggesting the Mac's GUI was not productive.  You always  

People go for GUI because they are pretty and easier to use.  But you still 
need the control underneath it.   You don't want a SPARC station or a NeXT
station with all these beautiful GUI without the power and control of UNIX.
You don't want Windows or OS2's workshell without the command level.  But
you can't get out of the Mac interface.  You get what you are given.  It's
like giving you a beautiful house but you have no control over the pipes,
the ground work....Anyone can use a Mac, but does that really make the Mac
better?   I like the Mac, I also love to have a workstation at home, but I 
ended up getting a PC for my personal use because I get all my work done
in less time, for less money and in more ways.

>Amiga and Atari:
>
>	I don't have enough experience on these machines to pronounce
>	blessings or curses.  :)  But I think it might be advantageous
>	to go with the Mac over these machines simply because it seems
>	the music industry is becoming increasingly Mac and PC oriented.
>	This could be baloney, though...

I think the Atari is still the general music industry's choice of platform.


Ray

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From: debra@wsinis07.info.win.tue.nl (Paul De Bra)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: encore vs score
Summary: how do they relate
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:14:19 GMT
Reply-To: debra@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

this group seems to talk a lot about finale and encore.
i haven't seen either of them, but i have seen results from Score,
and i have seen it in use.

I seem to recall that Score and Encore both are made by Passport.
My obvious question is: how do these relate?
Encore is a lot cheaper, yet from what i read on the net it must be
a lot easier to use than Score.
What kind of things can Score do that Encore can't?
Or is that the wrong kind of question to ask about these 2 products?

Thanks for any info.

Paul.
(debra@win.tue.nl)
From: ats@phoenix.udev.cdc.com (alex t stagg x4718)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: MIDI Merge
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:49:32 GMT
Reply-To: ats@phoenix.udev.cdc.com (alex t stagg x4718)
Organization: Control Data Corp., Arden Hills, MN

In article <1992Jul27.105227.846@yvax.byu.edu>, feijai@endor.byu.edu
(Sean Luke) writes:
|>Does anyone know where I can get an inexpensive MIDI 2->1 merge box (or  
|>bigger)?  Anatek is selling Pocket Merges for $100 apiece!  (We're talking  
|>about $10-15 worth of parts here).

Not as simple as you think. Complete multi-byte midi messages
have to be preserved in-total from each input. That means if
one input receives the first byte of a midi message, it has
to be saved until the message is completely recieved. Then,
the message can be transmitted on the output. This has to be
done for each input, so it means a processor w/PROM code,
small RAM and at least two bi-directional serial ports.

BTW, the scheme outlined above may cause long sysex transfers
to fail. To make them work, either some priority scheme with
sysex lockout on the other inputs has to be employed, or
a large RAM buffer had better be implemented. Even then (with
large RAM) special considerations might have to be given to
handshaking implementations.             

OK, now who knows of a suitable processor that will run off
a battery, with embedded EPROM, small RAM, and 2-3 bi-directional
serial ports that will run at MIDI speed?

Alex.

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From: jeras@cs.vu.nl (Ras JE)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: M-studio 3.0 compatible sound-boards ???
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:23:25 GMT

Does anybody know something about The Music Studio 3.0?
What kind of MIDI-cards are supported and are drivers available
for the Sound Blaster or another common board?

If you know something about it, please reply by e-mail.
Thanks in advance.

Jordan.


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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu (Joseph Geniec)
Subject: Yamaha RX-7 Drum machine for sale
Originator: jgeniec@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:27:08 GMT

	I am interested in selling a Yamaha RX-7 Drum machine. I paid
$660 for it and a RAM-4 cartridge several years ago, but I'll part with
them for around $250. You get:

	-The Drum Machine 
	-RAM-4 cartridge
	-cassette interface (for saving data)
                       
The RX-7 comes standard with:

	-24 drum pads
	-16 simultaneous voices permitted
	-100 drum and voice samples
	-midi sysex capable
	-100 songs permitted in memory at once
	-100 patterns "	      "    "    "   "
	-midi in, out, thru ports
	-LR output and phone jacks
	-foot switch jack
	-8 demos
	-pitch, volume, pan & decay editing allowed on each individual note
	 in songs
        -backlit LCD
	-step and real time recording allowed
	-echoing effects
	-and it's in perfect condition, too!

In case you were wondering, the drum pads are NOT velocity sensitive. However,
if you own a velocity-sensitive keyboard or electronic drum setup, the machine
will respond to velocity thru MIDI.
I'm sorry to say that I do not have the manual anymore, but you can probably
find it at a local music dealer for under $10. Also, if you don't live near
Akron, Cleveland, Cincinnati or Columbus, you'll have to cover shipping
From: greed@bnr.ca (Graham Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: MIDI Spec Wanted!
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: greed@bnr.ca (Graham Reed)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Where can I get a hold of the complete MIDI spec in electronic form?

--
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        self.Opinions != BNR.Opinions

No quote; it was confiscated by Customs.
From: falatic@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MacGyver)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: WANTED: "MacGyver" theme sheet music
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:25:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	I am looking for a copy of the sheet music for the theme to
MacGyver. It appeared in a book called "Television Showstoppers" (music
book, usu. found in local record stores, but not mine!). The book is
$20 or so, and out of 200+ pages, I only want this song. Anyone who can
help, please reply via E-Mail!

			-Marty
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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: wincake upgrade, finale upgrade
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:56:35 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

siffert@horton.Colorado.EDU (Thunder-Thumbs) writes:
>Hi, I purchased Cakewalk for Windows two weeks ago, on a Monday - the
>copy was in stock.

>It is version 1.00, and only after I bought it did I hear that they
>are up to 1.02 now.  What is the difference between them?  And if it
>is significant, shouldn't I get the upgrade for free because I bought
>it so recently?  I should hope that companies would make a practice of
>storing the most recent versions in stores.  Is this upgrade something
>that costs money for a registered owner?  If I will have to spend more
>money on something I just bought two weeks ago, I'll be angry...
*----
When the minor number changes, it's usually a trivial program change.
I wouldn't panic.  And if you expect stores to always have the very
latest release on hand, then you'd better expect them to have a couple
of weeks where the product isn't in stock at all.

Should you get the upgrade for free?  Well, again, why not find out
if you NEED it first?  Most companies are very good about free upgrades
if you purchase a product from a legitimate dealer after a new release
is out.

It seems like you'd save a lot of time and aggrevation if you just
asked the publisher.
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From: menoche@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Charles Paul Menoche)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: problem compiling csound's hetro program
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:23:29 GMT
Reply-To: menoche@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Charles Paul Menoche)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: menoche@pooh.cc.utexas.edu

I have been unable to compile the hetro program that is included
with the csound archive for the mac.  I have use a version of 
this on the Next so it is possible for it to work.  To jog the
memories out there, hetro is the program that "converts" sound
files into a format that can be used by adsyn.  Has anyone 
got this up and running on the mac?  What did you do to accomplish
this?  It's probably something obvious I'm sure, but I've spent an
hour so far without much luck...and since it's summer I don't run
across most of my computer science contacts.
Thanks in advance
e-mail or a post would be great....
cpm
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon NUNIS)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: FREE NOTATION SOFTWARE
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:57:21 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server

is there a way to get this through a mail server?

i don't have ftp access...


thanks.

simon.
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Tascam MM1 Mixer
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:52:22 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I have had an MM1 for 2 years now. A great mixer for the money. It feels very solid compared to 16 ch mixers from Alesis, Roland and Yamaha, and has more inputs to boot. The effect sends are a bit of a compromise - for each channel you can select effect 1 or 2 and effect 3 or 4, ie. at most 2 effects per channel. I'm using multi-effect units that already generate 4-5 effects so the 2 effects per channel is not really a big problem. Having to choose between 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 can be awkward, but adding a patch








bay cures this.

The MM1 is very quiet, compact (only 4 rack spaces), and is solidly built. The headroom in the output stage is not very high so don't listen to what the manual says about setting levels - keep individual levels low so as to avoid overloading the output stage. Its still very quiet.
From: patricio@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (PATRICIOS M P)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: MOD file format
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:38:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: underdog.patricio.2
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).

Does anybody know the format of a MOD file. I have been working on some 
sound routines and would like to write a MOD editor. I have figured out a 
bit of the format, but it would be a great help if someone could tell me the
exact format.

Thanx in advance.
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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Subject: Re: MIDI Merge
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:38:41 GMT

In <45701@shamash.cdc.com> ats@phoenix.udev.cdc.com (alex t stagg x4718) writes:

*In article <1992Jul27.105227.846@yvax.byu.edu>, feijai@endor.byu.edu
*(Sean Luke) writes:
*|>Does anyone know where I can get an inexpensive MIDI 2->1 merge box (or  
*|>bigger)?  Anatek is selling Pocket Merges for $100 apiece!  (We're talking  
*|>about $10-15 worth of parts here).
*
*Not as simple as you think. Complete multi-byte midi messages
*have to be preserved in-total from each input. 

I might add that I have a Pocket Merge, and IMHO it is inadequate.  It
generates its own version of active (non)sense that retransmits the data
bytes that it last merged along w/active sense.  STOOPID.

                    Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com>          

          "Whoso pulleth this linoleum knife from the mailman is 
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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: gautemyk@idt.unit.no (Gaute Myklebust)
Subject: .sng <-> .mid
Reply-To: gautemyk@idt.unit.no (Gaute Myklebust)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:02:55 GMT

Hi

I am looking for a program to convert between .sng and .mid files.

Does anyone know a ftp site where I could find a program to do this bit 
of work for me.

Thanks

Gaute
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Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.synth
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Music Computer News
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:17:36 GMT

Atari will have news conference soon so please wait for facts!!

Falcon '030 has MIDI ports.  It is ENTRY LEVEL computer so do not
send questins about why 68040 is missing! IF you can find better
computer please buy it!!
From: chrisg@rox.mel.dbe.CSIRO.AU (Chris Green)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: <none>
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:06:54 GMT
Organization: CSIRO

Does anyone know how to read and write bytes to/from the SB Pro 2.0 midi port?


Chris Green

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From: xxrich@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Rich Rinehart)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: wincake upgrade, finale upgrade
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:53:08 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Jul21.031435.16942@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> siffert@horton.Colorado.EDU (Thunder-Thumbs) writes:
>Hi, I purchased Cakewalk for Windows two weeks ago, on a Monday - the
>copy was in stock.
>
>It is version 1.00, and only after I bought it did I hear that they
>are up to 1.02 now.  What is the difference between them?  And if it
>is significant, shouldn't I get the upgrade for free because I bought
>it so recently?  I should hope that companies would make a practice of

 Yes, you can get it for free.  Twelve Tone has a VERY GOOD policy of
 giving free bug fixes out.  The 1.02 version went out free to all
 registered 1.00 users.


>I've also heard that there will be an upgrade soon for Finale for pc's.
>It will take advantage of more of the windows 3.1 stuff and presumably
>allow more than one midi application to run at the same time.  Has anyone
>heard more, like when this patch will come out?

 Hope you are right but I heard it may not be out til around Christmas (+-month)

-rich

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