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From: quanbeck_hm@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: HORSES FOR SALE, HORSES FOR SALE!!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 09:56:15 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

This posting is a collaboration of several horses in my area for sale.  While 
they are not all mine, I can answer most questions about them since I ride them
all.  BTW, they are all in or near Hickory, NC (just north of Charlotte).

Hard Time Breeze, AQHA Palimino gelding foaled May 9, 1976.  15'2 Western 
pleasure or possible team penning prospect.  Three-Bars grandson. $1500 range

Flying Circus,  This mare is gorgous! (IMHO) She is 1/2 QH 1/2 TB 16'3 hands
stocky build and only 4 yrs old.  I have just started her over fences and so 
far she tends to like them BIG! She is a chestnut with a blaze and two (I think
its two) white socks.  She is not Appendix registered yet but her owner is 
working on getting the papers. $3000-4000

Flash By Me, 16'2 hand 4 yr old reg TB gelding.  I started this horse over 
fences last month and at his first show which was five weeks after I started 
riding him, he won two firsts, two seconds, two thirds, a fourth, and a fifth.  
He is currently jumping 2'6" baby green courses. (No flying leads yet)  Flash 
a very stylish and super slow mover.  He is a dark bay with black legs and a 
white dot on his forehead.  $3000-4000

Forever Flash, 16'2 hand 6 yr old reg TB mare.  This mare is a full sister
to Flash By Me and the are almost identical!  "Sammy" is a bay with a blaze 
and three white socks.  She has been on vacation for awhile (her owner got busy
riding everyone elses horses ;-)) but she previously was jumping 3' courses.
She is another super slow, stylish mover that would look great in the show ring.
$3000-4000 BTW it is mere coincidence that her and her brother are both for
sale.

"Simple", 16'2 hand 6-7 yr old reg TB gelding.  "Simple is a very powerful 
jumper.  He has been jumping 4' courses without any problems.  He knows his
flying lead changes and uses them.  He is a chestnut with a white blaze and 
two white socks.  $6000

That's all of them,  if anyone is interested give me a call at (704) 326-0771
or e-mail me at quanbeck_hm@alice.lrc.edu  I will be glad to tell you more about
them if you contact me.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Slippery Saddle
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:53:03 GMT

In article <6730005@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>,
cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell) writes:
>Wow!!  Just sat in my new saddle in breeches for the first time.  It is
>REALLY slippery.  Does anyone out there have some ideas for dressing or
>oil or something to use on the leather to hasten the aging process, just
>to make it easier to sit in?  I have some stuff, can't remember the name,
>from Germany in a blue package (soap and oil) but I haven't tried it yet.
>Suggestions would be appreciated
>Thanks,
>
>Colleen


Mom always said to oil the saddle twice (with a couple days in
between) with warmed Neatsfoot oil. Then just ride in it, keep it
clean, grin and bear it!

=gwyn

ps: work fast with Neatsfoot -- it soaks in and darkens the leather
quickly, so you can get botchy or streaked markings if you don't
give even, quick and thorough coverage. Good luck!
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:20:53 GMT
	<92240.050340ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
	<HANNAH.92Sep2173111@pomponio.ai.sri.com> <14515@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 18:47:33 GMT

In article <14515@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:

   In article <HANNAH.92Sep2173111@pomponio.ai.sri.com> hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
    >I, too, am a lover of one of the cold-blood breeds, except that mine
    >is technically a pony---the Norwegian Fjord. 

   I have seen these really cute ponies in demonstrations, but I've never
   seen one jump.  Would they make a good pony hunter for a kid?

   Sarah Pallas

I know nothing about what is involved in pony hunters for kids, so
won't hazard a guess as to how well a Fjord would do as such.  Some of
the breeders of riding-type Fjords advertize with a photo of one of
their ponies going over a jump, and some include brags on the ribbons
that their kids have won with them in various events that seem to
include jumping.  The only reservation that I would have would address
the level of skill of the child and the kid's strength.  When a draft
pony puts its head down to graze, a weak and/or unskilled child might
have trouble "getting it unstuck" again!  The good news is that Fjords
are the sort of horses who's idea of a major disobedience is "stop and
eat"....

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: South Florida Update
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:23:52 GMT

In article <92258.055519ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Bliss B. Siman
<ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> There was an article in the 9/4/92 Chronicle that gave addresses for contrib-
> utions to animal rescue, maybe it was specifically for horse rescue. With all
> the human misery, some of us must remember those whose own kind can't help
> them. After reading story I can't imagine what I would feel if it were one of
> my own three in that situation.

  Could you post the addresses when you get a chance?

  thanks,

  jan
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From: rogers@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Catherine Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Slippery Saddle
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:21:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Sep10.165303.15773@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>In article <6730005@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>,
>cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell) writes:
>>Wow!!  Just sat in my new saddle in breeches for the first time.  It is
>>REALLY slippery.  Does anyone out there have some ideas for dressing or
>>oil or something to use on the leather to hasten the aging process, just
>>to make it easier to sit in?  I have some stuff, can't remember the name,
>>from Germany in a blue package (soap and oil) but I haven't tried it yet.
>>Suggestions would be appreciated
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Colleen
>
>
>Mom always said to oil the saddle twice (with a couple days in
>between) with warmed Neatsfoot oil. Then just ride in it, keep it
>clean, grin and bear it!
 (stuff deleted )
But don't wear breeches that you care about to ride in it for
a while.  or don't wear breeches at all in it for a while ...
The neatsfoot oil will stain your clothes as well as darkening and
conditioning the saddle.  I decided to just grin and bear it when
breaking in my saddle because i didn't want the color of it to 
change.  It was a real pain but in the end it was good for my seat,
I thin; the sitting trot especially was hard, but it is not impossible
and it's only really bad for a few weeks if you ride pretty often.
But the saddle won't be really broken in for a few months.

good luck
cathy rogers
indiana university
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Stall Floors
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:10:09 GMT


Rubber matts with shavings or ( better yet ) course sawdust
are a very good floor to use. It provides a soft, warm bedding
that will absorb moisture so the horse, when he or she sleeps,
doesn't have to do it in a puddle of urine. Rubber mats alone
won't do this. The stall will smell nicer too, and be more
pleasant to work in.

From personal experience, keeping a mat+sawdust stall clean
takes about 1/2 hour per day, using a comfortably deep
bed of sawdust. We used 4-6" or more ourselves, and kept the
extra banked along the walls for insulation and convenience.
Banking the sawdust also lowers the chance a horse will
get cast. Only the manure and "wet spots" (urine-soaked sawdust)
need to be cleaned out. Use a fiberglass "apple picker".

You can let the stall go for a day, or two in a pinch, without
much extra average labor per day. But much longer than that and
you'll need to strip the stall.

We used to buy sawdust mixed with a little bit of shavings
for $20 a pickup-load, which would last us two horse-months.
Look under "wood products" in the yellow pages. Sawdust is
easier to pick through and absorbs fluids better.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:57:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.222510.28198@nb.rockwell.com>,
reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:

>> they get, if it isn't rated? Or is it the same weekend as the
>> Foxfield Finals, so people come just for fun?
>
>It does sound like fun, but from what I've heard of the course difficulty
>it may be a bit much for where my horse is at now.  It is the same weekend
>as the Foxfield finals and it gets a lot of the A/O riders as well as
>some of those who are doing Jr/Am Modifieds since it offers a fair bit
>of money.  For instance, it was won last year by Mary Jakubiec on Pumpkin
>Pie and there were either one or no clear rounds which tells something
>about the course difficulty since the height isn't that much for horses
>used to competing in the A/O division (usually 4'6" in this area).

You're right, it certainly isn't a question of height. But so many
horses are used to: <line, line, rollback, comination, end fence,
bending line, triple> in the standard bright colors and typical
configurations, that when they suddenly find themselves galloping
down to a -gasp!- DITCH, they hit the brakes to take a second look.
I mean, how many show places have a bank, or a ditch, or water? And
these are the basics -- like Mary said, a grob?! You've got to be
kidding!

In California, who has those natural jumper obstacles:

-Sandstone
-Showpark (but the field isn't used much for the Amateurs, is it?)
-Pebble Beach
-...???...

There must be more, but I can't think of them. That's sad. And the
only places I know you can school over them are combined training
facilities and a couple of private places (Abduljiwad's,
Kilgallon's, Breakwell's, etc.) No wonder the horses' eyes bug out!

=gwyn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Caution: Brag Alert!
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:01:18 GMT

Hi All -
   I just have to brag about my horse!  The Saturday of Laborday Weekend, we
did our first 25 mile Competitive Trail Ride since last March, and got
fourth place, with a score of 95.5 (out of 100).  Mostly we lost points for
metabolic changes (gum color and capillary refill time were a little off), and
a point for a scratch on the fetlock, where we were probably cantering 
through some downed sticks or branches on the trail.
   Then this weekend, we had a 4.5 hour trailer trip to another 25 mile CTR.
An experienced friend drove our two horses, and we were able to ride together.
The weather was gorgeous, and the scenery was great, too!  We signed up as
a team, and she (and her horse) won 1st in her division, Shogun and I won 2nd
in our division, and we won first in teams!  I got really nice comments on my
score sheet under the trot-out - "stays with handler nicely" for the morning
trot-out, and "obedient but tired" for the evening trot out.  (Well, ideally 
I could have done without the tired part, but I was glad he was noted as 
obedient".)
   That was Saturday; Sunday was another 25 mile ride (just take yesterday's 
trail in reverse).  There were a couple of late scratches, so my friend did 
that ride, too.  I was very tempted, but Shogun and I had never done that 
many miles yet, or trained with that in mind, so we stayed at the camp.  This 
was only the second trip where my horse had been picketed (the other time was 
a year ago), and he was so good!  He only called a few times in the afternoon 
for the other horses, and mostly napped or ate.  He never got frantic that 
the others were leaving. 

Sorry this got so long, but I'm just very happy with both rides!

Rosalie and Shogun
From: dlc@gasco.uucp (Darci L. Chapman  x5930)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bibliography Compilation Help Wanted
Keywords: Appaloosa endurance riding trail riding
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:43:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Sep4.234312.24026
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR


Dear Equestrians-

I'm in the process of compiling a bibliography on two subjects:
	Appaloosas
	Endurance/Competitive Trail Riding 
	(also Competitive Mounted Orienteering would be useful)

What I'm looking for are books and magazine articles in addition to
the ones listed below. Specifically with magazines I'm interested
in ones that have a year-end index of their own articles (like Equus
does every December). Failing that, I'd like the magazine name, issue
(date or volume/issue), and page numbers.

I'd appreciate any contributions and/or corrections any of you could make! 
Also, I will post/email a summary if there's enough interest.

Oh, yes, I'm also interested in clubs in addition to those mentioned below
(and regional clubs for the PNW).


advTHANKSance!

=====================================================================

Endurance Riding Clubs 
(these come from an older book so corrections would be wonderful!):

American Endurance Ride Conference
PO Box 1
Auburn, CA 95603

Pacific Northwest Endurance Riders
Route 1, Box 80
Powell Butte, OR 97753

Endurance Horse Registry of America
PO Box 63
Agoura, CA 91301

=====================================================================

Appaloosa Clubs:

Appaloosa Horse Club (ApHC)
PO Box 8403
Moscow, ID 83843

Appaloosa Sport Horse Association (ApSHA)
Diane Clark
10808 Georgetown Pike
Great Falls, VA    (ZIP???)

=====================================================================

Endurance Riding Bibliography:

Long Distance Riding
Drummond, Mary   pbl: ???       1987,          ISBN: 0876058616

Endurance Riding
Hyland, Ann      pbl: Libbincot 1975,          ISBN: 0397010826

Successful Endurance Riding
Ingram, Patricia pbl: Stepen Green Press 1981, ISBN: 0828904243

Going the Distance
Parslow, Sue     pbl: Newton/Abbott 1989,      ISBN: ????

=====================================================================

Appaloosa Bibliography:

The Complete Book of the Appaloosa
Haddle, Jan      pbl: 1975

Appaloosa Horses
Patent, Dorothy Hinshaw pbl: 1988

The Appaloosa
Richardson, Bill pbl: ???

=====================================================================

Magazines:

I have access to compiling a list from Equus that I won't type in
here/now. These are the categories I'm looking under in their year
end index: Appaloosa (breed), Conditioning, Muscle, Endurance (sports),
and Wilderness Trekking (sports). Other suggestions welcomed! 

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From: tim@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Tim Pointing)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Easier Rider summary?
Keywords: Easy Rider, [human] shoes
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:11:59 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

Folks,

A few months ago, there was a discussion on shoes for riding including
the "Easy Rider" shoes. As I am about to start riding lesson (first
class is tonight!), I was hoping that somebody out there might be able to
summarize the conclusions (if any!) as to whether or not these shoes
are worth getting.  Also, are they comfortable enough to wear as
"street shoes"?

Thanks in advance,
	Tim Pointing
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From: scully@rockyj.rockefeller.edu (Anne-Marie Scully)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: equestrian
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 10:57:29 EDT

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Trucks
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:23:21 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

>  Teresa,
>
>        When I started looking for a truck three years ago, I
>  the same advice (NO automatic overdrive) from my sister's
>  neighbour (a rural mechanic).  I assumed it was because in
>  overdrive the gear ratios are equal (well..they were in my
>  MG, if they aren't equal they're darn close to 1:1). This
>  means the engine is providing direct power to the rear end
>  with no 'mediation' from the transmission.  This can leave
>  your engine in a rather precarious position..for the same
>  reason you never stomp on the gas when you're in overdrive,
>  only very gradual speed increases.  I'm guessing that in the
>  typical 'hit a bump and everything jumps' ride, the lurch is
>  picked up by the suspension (this is where heavy duty or
>  camper special is best), but some of that short lived but
>  pronounced speed increase/decrease when the load hits the
>  hitch again is transmitted straight to the engine. Like
>  flooring the gas for a moment, only worse.  Just very
>  unwanted wear and tear.   I have a heavy duty F250 with a
>  351 cid engine and 5 speed trans; even the manual says
>  NEVER haul in overdrive.
>      That's my 2 worth of guess on the matter..worth what
>  you paid for it :-).  If anyone else has a theory or, even
>  a FACT, please contribute..I'd like to know if the guesswork
>  is anywhere near accurate.
>
>                                        Margaret (and Kaiser)

Thanks for the information, Margaret!  I know I'm not supposed to 
tow in overdrive (and I don't), but I never knew why.  But I didn't
know you were supposed to accelerate gradually in that gear.  I
don't tend to romp on it because it'll gulp gas, but once in a
while I have to to fit in to traffic.  I do tend to be easy on
the truck as much as possible, especially since it's gone over
the magic 100K miles and I'd like him (his name is Harrison, you
know, the Ford ;-) ) to go another year if possible before I
have him rebuilt.
Thanks again!
					Teresa et al

					A
					Teresa et al.
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From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:40:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.145619.7054@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
> ...
>We used them [quarter sheets] like this:
>
>=damp chamois against the skin
>=cotton rag on top of chammy
>=quarter sheet
>=rubber or gel pad
>=saddle

Why the damp chmamois and cotton rag?

  Debbie
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: MAUSEN@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA
Subject: Re: trucks?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:32:33 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:23:15 GMT
Reply-To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
In article <Sep11.174831.17338@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> meridiem@lamar.ColoState
>>Second, don't they do it differently in Europe, i.e. use sedan cars like
>>Volvos and Mercedes?  I seem to remember a brief discussion on this,
>>about their lighter trailers and such.  I am curious.  Any of our friends
>>across the pond have an opinion?
>>                                     Jill
>I've been following this thread in total awe!:-)What *are* you people
>towing?:-)Yes,it would seem our trailers are considerably lighter than
>yours.On the other hand,they are probably more fully equipped(yours,I
       good stuff deleted
>So......you pays your money,and takes your choice.
>Cheers
>Mike Rooth
>>*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *

       I think Mike has some good points.  I for one am very
   'over-trucked' with a F250HD with a 5.8l engine; I'm only
   hauling a small two horse..but then I plan to increase the
   amount of trailer I'm towing when (if ever!) the truck's paid off.
       I have one question though..what about distance?  I'm
   probably mistakenly labouring under a provincial attitude that
   those of us out in the wide open spaces have to go further to get
   anywhere, but wouldn't that be a deciding factor as well? My average
   trip is a 70 mile round trip (for lessons), and that's done once
   a week.  A pleasure day-ride is anywhere from 50-200 miles
   roudn trip, once or twice a month.
       What kind of mileage does everyone usually put on their
   trailer??  It would be interesting to know.
       I've never trailered more than 400 miles from home, but
   we've only been at this two years..LOTS of room for adventure!
   (I'm SURE all my extra horsepower has NOTHING to do with
   Alberta's reputation for producing rednecks :-)  )

                                         Margaret (hauler)
                                         and Kaiser (haulee)
From: cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:22:25 GMT
Subject: Slippery Saddle
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Wow!!  Just sat in my new saddle in breeches for the first time.  It is 
REALLY slippery.  Does anyone out there have some ideas for dressing or 
oil or something to use on the leather to hasten the aging process, just
to make it easier to sit in?  I have some stuff, can't remember the name,
from Germany in a blue package (soap and oil) but I haven't tried it yet.
Suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks,
   
Colleen