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From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Hindi Film Recommendation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:20:13 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.003123.17200@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> banerjee@spot.Colorado.ED
U (akb) writes:
> 
>
>>
>>cherv@rs6408.ecs.rpi.edu(Vinay M. Cherian) writes:
>>>Thanksgiving holidays are fast approaching and I am planning to watch
>>>some hindi movies during that time.  So all you movie fans please send
>>>me a very short list of the best movies released in 1992.  I mean movies
>>>that are way above the average.. movies that can be compared with SAAJAN,
>>>Dil Manta Nahin, BETA, etc..  Preferably, a drama with a touch of comedy.
>>
>>>Thanks a lot,
>>
>
>
>I had occasion to see BETA last summer.
>Permit me to share a few thoughts:
>
>PLOT:
>    A step mother takes advantage of her step sons (blind) devotion
>to ensure that he remains an illiterate country bumpkin (and totally
>dependent on her for all advice, monetary and otherwise). She has also
>declared the father (her husband) insane (presumably with the step son's
>acquiescence). Her plotting leads to naught when in a bizzare sequence 
>of events the idiot son ends up getting married to a strong willed
>woman.
>
>    The above is a rather long winded description of a plot
>that can be adequetly described in one word - PATHETIC.
>
>CAST/ACTING:
>    The girl looks good.
>
>MUSIC/LYRICS:
>    Very often a terrible hindi movie can be (and indeed has been)
>rescued by some exceptional songs. 
>
>    Ek, Do, teen char, panch, chey, saat...... ad infinitum
>is the most memorable thing to come out of this one.
>
>
>IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A WAY ABOVE AVERAGE FILM, you
>(and indeed the Bombay film industry) have my deepest sympathies.
>
>I guess this means I don't get to recommend any movies for
>your Thanks Giving break.
>
>         DARN!     -:)
>
>Nevertheless have a great THANKSGIVING holiday. -:)
>
>
>Bye

          Watch "Khel". It is humorous. *ing Anil Kapoor, Madhuri Dixit.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36753 soc.culture.tamil:3517
From: RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian History
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.92316.202728RIPBC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-     The whole of India was and is overwhelmingly dravidian and NOT
-                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-     aryan ( = vedic-culture-people).
-
-     Regards,
-     Selva Selvakumar
-
     Am I the only one who is feeling `overwhelmed'?   -:)

   Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian History
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 07:11:41 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-         I have to take both sides now (waffling like Clinton).  It is true
-    that Hinduism  and Indian  culture is  90 percent  non-Aryan,

      I very much doubt this figure for which the only  confirming source
      would be Hitler's Mein Kamph. 30-40 percent Aryan would seem to  be
      closer to facts.  It is likely, that racially, India is a Dravidian
      majority  (or  plurality?)  country.   But  where  is the Dravidian
      Clinton?

-                      but where
-    does this South North  divide come from?  If  you say that non-Aryan  =
-    South India and  Aryan = North  Indian, you are  getting into the  same
-    trap.   ALL  THE  INDIAN  LANGUAGES  whether  the  four Southern or the
-    northern languages are basically Dravidian in nature.
-
    This is not true.  For Gujarati at least, the second largest source of
    words, after Sanskrit, is the muslim culture, represented by Farsi and
    Arabic.

-         K. Sankara Rao
-
                      ---------------------------------
-
-     If Ravana is a sex maniac and he had such urges as you
-     confidently ( (-:) say
-     he would not have let Sita remain pure. Agree ?
-
                 Good point.
-
-     regards,
-     Selva Selvakumar
-

-     Do you mean to say that brahmins and kshatriyas are descendents of
-aryans,  the other castes that of dravidians..atleast majority of them???
-This means you are saying that all the casteist philosophy in the ancient
-books is in reality racist stuff, right?  Then two small puzzles ....
-
--Narain

      Narain has a good point.  Here is a verse from the Rigveda:

                 "The Brahmin was his mouth,
            of both his arms was Rajanya made,
                  His thighs became the Vaisya,
            from his feet the Sudra was  produced"

      This is the only reference to the word Sudra in the Rigveda.  There
      are 68 references to Dasyus.  It would seem that the two words  are
      not synonymous.  Also,  there is no  hint in the  verse above that,
      apart from being  lower, the Vaisyas  and Sudras are  fundamentally
      different in any way.   Some scholars, e.g.  Mallory,  have pointed
      out that  the 3-partite  division into  3 castes  in Indo-European,
      rather than specifically  Aryan.  (I am  using the term  `Aryan' as
      scholars  do,  to  indicate  `Indo-Iranian',  so  that  Germans are
      Indo-European,  or  Indo-Germanic,  but  not  Aryan.   There  is no
      evidence that  Germans called  themselves Aryans  before Westerners
      learned Sanskrit  and realised  that European  languages and  North
      Indian languages had a common  root.  The original German word  for
      the Swastika is Haken-kreuz, which means cross with hooks.  Anyway,
      the  Swastika  is  definitely  not  an  Aryan  symbol  - another of
      HItler's illusions)

      Rohit Parikh
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: If Khalistan comes......
Date: 10 Nov 1992 04:08:35 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
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		If Khalistan comes......

  Just suppose that, somehow, Khalistan comes into being. There are several
interesting questions to be asked.

  1) The 48% non-Sikh population is not likely to cooperate with the
government in any way. Do you plan to get rid of all of them (as is being
done in Bosnia?) They are certainly not going to go quietly-particularly
as some areas like Hoshiarpur district have non-Sikhs in a majority.

  2) Khalistan is going to be a landlocked country. All imports and exports
will have to pass through India or Pakistan (even air services will be
wholly dependent on the goodwill of India and Pakistan). What gives you
the idea that you will always be free to travel in and out of Khalistan?

  3) What sort of an economy will you have? Sure, you will be surplus in
foodgrains but what else will you produce? Do you think that anyone is going
to invest in a country where there are more AK-47s than people, when it will
take years to restore law and order? Punjabi businessmen are not THAT stupid
to invest in a disturbed area.
    Where do you plan to get coal and oil from? Not from Pakistan as they
don't have their own resources.

  4) Sorry, I was wrong when I said that Khalistan would be surplus in 
foodgrains. To ensure irrigation, you would have to make sure that you have 
control over the entire headworks of the Bhakra Nangal system-which is partly 
in Himachal and could be easily sabotaged by anyone who doesn't like the       Khalistani government.

  5) If some kind of "ethnic cleansing" is done in Khalistan, naturally the
same process will start from the rest of India. Have fun with the lakhs
(millions?) of refugees; after all, more Sikhs live outside Punjab than inside.
Also have fun trying to get back their funds and property from the rest of
India; this is likely to be much less than that of the non-Sikhs in Punjab.

  6) You probably ask that if Bangladesh could attain freedom, why cannot
Khalistan? Don't forget the disadvantages the Pakistani armed forces had in
1971 as they had to travel 2000 km to reach Bangladesh, and supplies could
be easily cut off by India. Nothing of this sort applies to Punjab today. 
Even if Pakistan intervenes openly, various nasty things will happen to Sind 
and other places bordering India. The Pakistanis know that.
 
  It's fun making predictions like this; perhaps someone might like to make
a similar scenario if, say, Bengal or Rajasthan wanted to become 
independent :-)
  The ironic point is that SOME combinations like Gujarat + Maharashtra or
Tamilnadu + Andhra Pradesh or even Bengal + Orissa + Bihar might well be viablecountries. But Punjab certainly would not. Even Kerala stands a better chance 
of surviving as an independent country :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.food.drink
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: In search of the perfect winter drink
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:58:49 GMT


A good winter drink isn't easy to find.
It must warm the body and soothe the mind.
It should not dehydrate
yet appeal to the palate.
After work or workout, should help you unwind.

	Water, when tepid
	Is rather insipid.
        W/ ice, but a sip
	Makes your body temp. dip.

	A Darj. or Earl Gray
	Does your tension allay,
	but it leaves your mouth dry
	and your taste buds awry.

	A good tonic and gin
	Warms you within
	But it does dehydrate
	And a cold aggravate.	

	Cocoa, while good
	Is too much like food.

    	Sweet sodas, forsooth!
	Will put holes in your tooth!	
	
The Recipe: 1 cup boiling water, 5 slices of ginger and a teaspoon of honey.

..............Mmmmmm.
Add one cardamom.
Or a smidgin of rum.
One more ginger slice
Will pep up the spice.
Use sugar, not honey
To make it more runny.
It's an age-old
cure for the cold
& can be made in a trice
with no fancy device.


Susan.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Stupid postings from wpi (was Postings from wpi)
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:31:17 GMT
Distribution: usa

sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki) writes:
>
> raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>
>>Debchat and we got this wpi consortium. :-( ]
>
>what is the ']' stand for? hydroceles?
>
>suresh

tickle,tickle,tickle. I still can't find a joke in there.

You seem to be wishing whatever ailments you have on other 
people. Thanks, but no thanks.

I see you have cross-posted your reply to s.c.i.telugu.
Why bother those poor people. (Sorry folks, I am leaving
the cross-posting on, this one time.)

Somebody mentioned you spend 30 seconds per posting. I guess
in this case it took that much time for you to pick a quote 
out of context and to spell hydroceles. 

-Raghavan,V
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36028 soc.culture.pakistan:16377
From: tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems.urdu,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: URDU
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:31:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Nov5.093108.11525@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.121643.9096@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid) writes:
>>
>>Agreed there is no such thing as Urdu culture, or for that matter an urdu
>>cultural identity. Punjabi, Kashmiri, Sindhi, Tamil, Bengali ARE cultures.
>>A person can correctly state that (s)he is Punjabi, Sindhi, Tamil, Bengali,
>>etc, etc. You cannot say you are Urdu, or for that have an Urdu cultural
>>identity.
>>

>Hmm! I guess by this definition there is no such thing as Pakistani cluture,
>or Indian or Islamic culture ... not that I do not agree with you .... I'm 
>just wondering which culture do I belong to !  and the rest of 8 million 
>(?) Karachites!  Any thoughts on that?


Since culture is dynamic we are all to a lesser or greater extent multi-cultural - for instance I am a british born son of punjabi parents. I have therefore
been directly influenced by these two cultures.

As for what you are, you are many things also. A person can belong to MORE THAN
ONE GROUP. As to what these groups are we can discuss in detail.


>>Culture evolves and grows, it should not be suppressed. I am not preaching
>>nationalism, or separatism; only plurality - live and let live.
>>
>>Don't get me wrong I am not condemning the urdu language. I am merely stating
>>that it has been used to replace the language of the peoples. Urdu should not
>>be promoted and taught in conjunction with the language of the people (whosoever
>>they are).
>>
>>In this respect Urdu can be used, and should be used, as a CULTURAL BRIDGE.
>>


THE BIG IDEA
------------

In Britain you can say: "I am English, I am British, I am European." , or for
that matter:		"I am Scottish, I am British, I am European."

Then why can't it be said: "I am Punjabi, I am Pakistani, I am Bharti.", or for
that matter:		   "I am Bengali, I am Hindustani, I am Bharti", or
			   "I am Pakistani, I am Bharti".

There is a great pretence going on that the cultural experience of the 
Pakistanis is totally set apart from the cultural experience of the people of 
India, and the sub-continent in general. The same can be said of Indians.

There is strong evidence to suggest that a large part of the culture of
Pakistan is shared with the India. Here is some evidence: 1) The languages
spoken, 2) Customs and traditions (e.g. the bride is married in a red dress,
the bride's parents pay the "dowry"), 3) The food, etc, etc.


Culture IS when two people meet. Culture is your culture meeting my culture.

Regards

tariq


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From: hsingh@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: #$#$#^%$^$#%    H A R S H A D      M E H T A  $%$%#%#
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:54:33 GMT

Hello,


    I was just wondering if anyone could tell me as to how   Harshad Mehta
is doing these days.......




Is   he  up to something nice or what.........


Some   feedback would  be   very  appreciated.......


Thank You,,





Harsimrat 


hsingh@ecs.umass.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan)
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:00:57 GMT

In article <4805@equinox.unr.edu> hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim) writes:
>
>I am with the Amnesty International. We will be working on human rights in 
>India very soon. According to my information, India has one of the worst
>human right abuses. India is in the red line.
>
>If you want further information, you may e-mail me. The Amnesty does hope
>that India improves its human right conditions and it is likely to ask the 
>US govt to impose tough conditions on India and other human rights abusers.
>
             <stuff deleted>
>Ashraf

  Amnesty International carries about zero influence in the US State Dept.
The United States will impose sanctions on India when it is in the US' best
interest to do so.  They might, however, use Amnesty International's 
recommendations as an excuse when doing so.

  It would be unwise for the Americans to impose sanctions on India in the 
foreseeable future for various reasons.  Even George Bush's dog Millie knows
that.  Lets hope Clinton does too. 

  What the heck's a "red line"?
-- 
Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
Engineering Science 9T3                <rr@odin.control.toronto.edu> 
University of Toronto
From: ravi@sequoia.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Postings from wpi
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:35:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu

raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
|> ravi@sequoia.wpi.edu, Ravi Narayan, writes (in his reply to
|> sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu, Sridhar Venkataraman):
|> 
|> >	                        (udumudi, the only other person who
|>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >	posts from wpi,  does not seem to enter the picture since
|> >	he has been succesful in avoiding controversy). with such
|> >	justification behind you (or other undisclosed ones maybe)
|> >	you choose to advice people to kill all articles from wpi,
|> >	where it would be trivial for you to construct an author
|> >	kill for the two of us, if *you* did not want to read our
|> 		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >	articles.
|> 
|> Adds upto three posters from wpi.

	not if you read what follows the parts you chose to highlight.
	as i said "udumudi does not seem to enter the picture" - you
	are welcome to refute it, but with the evidence available to
	me (since sridhar et al choose not to provide any) i specify
	above that i leave udumudi out. is it that hard to read a
	sentence completely???

|> That's probably three more than what sci needs.

	fortunately or unfortunately you or sridhar have no part to
	play in deciding what sci needs.

|> Talking about the stuff coming out of wpi, let us 
|> not forget that the famous 'An apology from George Chacko', forge 
|> came from wpi.

	sprry i have no idea what this is about.

|> [I feel during the last two months the noise level on SCI has 
|> increased due to the postings from wpi and replies to them, 
|> including this posting].

	you are welcome to your opinions.

	peace,

	- ravi


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: shah@beauty.Stanford.EDU (Kishan B. Shah)
Subject: Re: Politics in Nepal and Development...
Organization: Scientific Computing/Computational Mathematics (SCCM), Stanford U.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:08:57 GMT


In article <1992Nov7.112121.3958@arizona.edu> rana@evax2.engr.arizona.edu writes:
>Does anyone happen to know about the controversial issue of the Tanakpur barrage and the supreme court ruling on this issue.  There was a hearing set for the 03 November in Kathmandu.


talking about the border fuss, i saw the follwing poem which i thought 
was a good laffer. (esp the last part)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Indian Causology (poem)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 21:56:27 GMT

A beautiful peom, extremely witty and biting in its satire, from Khushwant
Singh's joke book Vol II (Orient Paperbacks)

	When the monsoon fails and the sun drums down
		On the parched gangetic plain
	And the tanks dry up and dust storms blow
		Where once were fields of grain.
	
	When hunger stalks each village hut
		And famine grips the land,
	It isn't Mother Nature's fault -
		It is the foreign hand.

	For, this is India, you see,
		Not Germany or France,
	And nothing here is blamed on God
		Much less on quirky chance.

	Here evil has a fingered form
		Both alien and planned,
	It is that darkly subtle limb -
		It is the foreign hand.

	When Hindu lads hack Sikhs to death
		In peaceful Delhi town,
	When Rajiv's corns are acting up
		Or the Bombay bourse goes down.

	When the pesky little Nepalese
		Insist on things like borders,
	When once-tame Tamil Tigers balk
		And taking South Block orders.

	The reason for this mischief
		I think you'll understand
	It's those meddling foreign digits -
		It is the foreign hand.

	So when you're in a Delhi lift
		Beside a buxom dame,
	And you give in to your natural urge
		To pinch her husly frame.

	Confront her adamantine glare
		With a visage mildly bland,
	And say: "It wasn't me, my dear -
		It was the foreign hand!!"


----


Regards,

	Pavan


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From: subedi@unssun.nevada.edu (Full Moon [Purna Chandra] Subedi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Nepali customs?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:35:20 GMT
Reply-To: subedi@unssun.nevada.edu (Full Moon [Purna Chandra] Subedi)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno


    I am a Nepali citizen living in  the U.S.  I  am  going to be travelling 
to Nepal at the end of this month.  This will be my  first visit to Nepal in 
nearly  9  years.  I  am  planning on staying  there for about 7 weeks. I am 
planning on taking a video camera to  shoot  pictures and I will be bringing 
the video camera back to the U.S. with me when I return. I have heard rumors 
saying that it is difficult for a Nepali citizen to take a video camera into 
Nepal. Does anyone know if I will have to pay the custom duties for taking a 
video camera into Nepal? 

     My parents live in Parvat district  where there is no electricity. I am 
thinking  about  taking  a  14.5-volt  10-Watt photo-voltaic solar panel and 
use an automobile battery to collect  the charge and connect it to some kind
of a low-power light fixture for lighting the inside of the house. I will be 
bringing the solar panel from here, but I hope to buy the automobile battery 
in Nepale. Does anyone know if it is  relatively simple to buy an automobile 
battery there and what the cost might  be?  Also, is it possible to buy some 
kind of low-power 12-V light fixture in Nepal?

   You can post a response if you think it might be helpful to others and/or 
you can directly send me e-mail. Thank you very much.
     
     Purna Chandra (Full Moon) Subedi 
     P.O. Box 8197 
     Reno, Nevada 89507 Ph: 702-747-7535
     e-mail: subedi@unssun.nevada.edu
             subedi@equinox.bitnet
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: jadhikary@trentu.ca (J ADHIKARY)
Subject: just testing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:41:00 GMT

Hi everybody,

	I just found out about this vnews thing and it is great. I am an 
undergrad Nepali student at Trent University in Canada. It is at peterborough, 
near Toronto.

	There are no Nepalese students or families in this city. If there 
are any that I donot know of around here, would you please send me a email 
or post a thing in here. There must be at least a few Nepali students in 
Toronto region.

	I would really like to get in touch with some Nepalese around here.
 My email address is:
	jadhikary@trentu.ca 

	Hope to hear from some of you.
	Later will be greater............CIOA

						- Junas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal