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Subject: "Relics" vs. "Rascals"
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:53:55 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

                             "Relics" vs. "Rascals"

Well, I thought, on a whim, that I'd compare and contrast "Relics" (arguably
the most anticipated episode of the season) and "Rascals" (arguably the
most dreaded of the season).



           "Relics"                                 "Rascals"
=============================================================================
    James Doohan couldn't act his     |     The girl who played Keiko       
    way out of a paper bag if his     |     can act better than Rosalind
    life depended on it.              |     Chao.
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    It's nice to see a Dyson Sphere   |     The Ferengi, though stupid and
    but idiotic to explain nothing    |     easily defeated, actually seemed
    about why it was there and who    |     menacing for a moment (as opposed
    made it.                          |     to "The Perfect Mate.")
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Boring tirades about TOS episodes.|     Halfway decent humor.
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Semi-believable transporter       |     Simply horrid transporter
    magic.                            |     abuse.
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    No characterization whatsoever.   |     Decent characterization all
                                      |     around (sans Ro).
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The ship was in danger.           |     The ship was in danger.
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The possibility remains for them  |     The possibility remains for them
    to bring back Scotty and do it    |     to use the kid that played Picard
    right this time.                  |     in TNG "Academy Days."
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, overall I have to say I enjoyed "Rascals" more by a long shot.

The technical aspects of "Rascals" was absolutely dreadful, and that is why
I believe that most of r.a.s.* hates it (along with the well-known fact that
most of these groups believe that children have no place in TNG, even if they
are only physically children).

IMHO, of course.

-- 
Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
"On his way back to the lobby, his cigarettes forgotten, he had to walk the
length of the ranked phones.  Each rang in turn, but only once, as he passed."
                                              - William Gibson
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From: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Rascals"
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016


|One last bit, this one on direction.  Adam Nimoy doesn't seem to have his
|father's talent, but he did a good enough job.  With only one or two small
|exceptions, the show seemed paced pretty well; and there were several
|opportunities where he played with camera angles to good effect.  (Two
|examples would have to be the Riker/Picard scene in the turbolift and
|Guinan's/Ro's trip down the ladder to engineering.)  Not bad; not bad at all.
|I just wish he'd had better material to work with.

I disagree.  This is after all his first outing, and it was on a weekly
series.  Leonard got started on STIII.  The opening scene on the bridge
(which was one of the first shot) and some of the immediate ones right
after in STIII still make me cringe.  I think Adam has some decent
potential.

|At any rate, the show had definite moments, and was certainly better than I
|expected.  But the biggest question running through my mind was "Why do
|this?", and I've yet to come across an answer.

There have to be episodes that make you go "Why" once in a while.
Look at STIV.  Here is a movie where the crew violates the time stream
with no regard at all: transparent aluminum, kidney pills, etc. (Please
don't quote the book explanation, I've read it - I'm talking about
the movie.)  It's played for laughs, not for serious plot.  To me,
the execution is of far greater weight than the plot itself.   STV
had a decent plot, and an almost completely horrid execution.  It
could have been well done.  "Rascals" has a humorous plot and it
was done wonderfully FOR that format.  I've found it to be the most
enjoyable so far this season.

i just loved watching Picard rub his head stepping off the transporter,
and the comment about being Wesley's roommate.


 * SLMR 2.1a *  I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
From: jerry@bertie (Jerry Shurman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Meat Puppets
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:12:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov6.171251.15469
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

First post...hope this works...

I think the Meat Puppets were from Akron, Ohio,
contemporaries of Per Ubu, etc., but the
term predates them.

They almost certainly got the inspiration for their name
from the fashion world, where "meat puppet" 
is a pejorative term for "model" and speaks
volumes about how models are viewed in the hierarchy 
of the industry.
From: edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Edward Langenback)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG Uniforms: why the zipper?
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:26:37 GMT
Reply-To: freddyk!edwardl@engr.uark.edu
Organization: NightMares R Us

tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

> In article <1992Nov6.050148.19034@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs631112@umbc8.umbc.edu (c
> 
> > Point blank: why would a military uniform be designed so that it is
> > hard to get in to?  I know you CAN zip yourself up, but in the 24th
> > centuty there has got to be a better way.  Any ideas?
> 
> How about putting buttons on the front of the shirt?  Oh, this is the
> 24th century so we better call them "unpowered spherical closing units".
> 
Hmmm... Can you say "Velcro"? 

             I knew you could.  ;)

              


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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts on "Rascals" (Spoilers)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:01:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.BxGq62.CCs
Distribution: usa
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <19045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>
>
>
>The biggest blooper we saw in the show was at the end, when young
>Picard went through the transporter and re-emerged as old Picard,
>to be consistent with the first transformation, Picard's uniform 
>should have burst at the seams. 

Since you liked the episode, I'll help you like it more: there
was no blooper here. If you watch the final transporter scene again,
you'll notice that young Picard has donned the uniform that he was
wearing when he first materialized as a child - it's baggy around the
arms, legs, and torso. Since it was the same one he wore initially,
then when he becomes an adult, he'll fit nice and snuggly :-).

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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Trekkies vs. Trekkers
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:05:33 GMT

In article <1dpf1bINNnsl@agate.berkeley.edu> felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.153042.386@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>>Trekkies are fanatics, Trekkers are serious-minded fans.   :)
>
>No, no, no!  First there was the show.  The crew (Kirk, Spock, Bones,
>etc.) were all obviously Trekkers, and the people watching the show (and not
>really doing the trekking) were the Trekkees (the trekking being done TO
>them by the television).  Now when the conventions started, the Trekkees
>opted to start calling themselves Trekkies, since it looks cuter.  But of
>course, some people started having problems distinguishing reality from
>fantasy and began to believe that they were actually doing the trekking
>(and they also disliked the fact that Trekkies sounded cute).  Thus they
>started calling themselves Trekkers.  8-)
>
>Felix Ling, a Treckqei!
>--

Heh heh.
Keep on Treckquien.


>   Pulaski walked to the Turboshaft doors, stepped in, and plummeted down
>ninety-nine floors, yelling, "Dammit, Jean-Luc! I'm a doctor, not a skydiver!"
>She landed with a resounding thump and croaked, "I've fallen, and I can't get
>up!"
>   "She's dead, Jean-Luc," announced Dr. Beverly Crusher.
>                                -excerpt from "Still Looking for Things"


-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
	          "Oh oh.  Looks like we need another Timmie!"
			   For Dinosaurs fans only.
From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: fan scripts
Keywords: script
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:24:53 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, airn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone know whether any of the ST:NG episodes that have aired
>have had scripts written by a fan, as opposed to Paramount people?
>I keep hearing in this group about fans submitting scripts, but it
>seems a bit unlikely of a proposition.
>
Gosh! That's amazing!  I wasn't even aware that fans were able to write,
let alone put together scripts.  In England all the fans ever do is, well,
fan, I mean usually it doesn't actually get hot enough to even need them,
so maybe we don't have the advanced script writing versions that you have
in the states.

Really amazing what modern technology has achieved these days.  What
next eh?  A TV that does the washing up?  A wall clock that does the 
cooking?

Mark
From: kentk@Kimbro.SeaSlug.ORG (Kent Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Critics need to get a life.
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:09:49 GMT
Organization: D. Briank Kimmel - home system

rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:

>In a previous article, 00ajpayne@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Jay the No-Sig Man) says:

>>If you think the show's episodes suck then don't ******* watch.

>	[raving expletives deleted]

>(sigh)  It's so sad when cousins marry.  Let's turn this around a bit:
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HA!  Wish I had come up with this one.

>	If you don't like the episode reviews, then *DON'T READ THEM*!!

>	[Counsellor Troi mode on]

"I feel... anger, great anger."

[advice to the terminally drain-bamaged deleted]

>	[Counsellor Troi mode off]

How did you manage to squeeze into that outfit in the first place.  For
that matter, how does she.

>Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet
-- 
Kent R. Kimmel               | "Now the world has gone to bed 
Seattle, WA  USA             | Darkness won't engulf my head
kentk@kimbro.seaslug.ORG     | I can see by infa-red
"I'm singing in the rain..." | How I hate the night.  --Marvin _LtUaE_
From: fcm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fraser Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Some DS9 info requested
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:46:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <BxCu34.JD0@news.iastate.edu>, fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils) writes:
> rec.arts.startrek.current,
> 	I suspect you get enought of these post requesting info
> on DS 9.  But her I go anyway.
> 
> -could someone with some current info on DS 9 send it my way?
> I particularly interested in what the basis of the cross-over
> story between the TNG and DS 9 is to be.
> 
> -and, what I really wrote about, do any GIF (or any format for
> that matter) files exist from DS9?

As a member of the Official Star Trek Fan Club, I have all the magazine articles on
Deep Space Nine, and I also have a text file containing a speech made by Majel
Barrett Roddenberry about, among other things, DS9.

I assume there are many other readers of this newsgroup who have this info, but I
could post a paraphrasing of the articles I have, and from them try to answer any
specific questions anyone has.

PS. I do know there is a GIF of the DS9 cast floating about somewhere - try the
pdq.coe.montana.edu. ftp site.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: SEXISM & TROI'S ASS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 22:40:03 GMT

In article <720990138.12@fquest.FidoNet> Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) writes:
>...personal observation from the obnoxious old man of ras*:
>
>Had a woman made the first comment in this flame fest about how Marina's 
>style of clothing on TNG made her look overweight in the rear end(s), then
>nobody would have said one thing about the comment being "sexist".
>

Well, I have to say that while I disagreed with the whole this about Troi's 
butt being sexist, I also think that the mentality of "if a woman says
it, it's all right but if a man says it, it's feminist" is, if not
morally right, at least not unique.  Blacks often call each other nigger -- if
a white person does it, that's racist.  You can insult your own parents, but
God forbid someone else should insult them.  A hispanic comedian can go off
about a Puerto Rican family, but if a white comedian does it, it's racist.
That sort of "I can insult me but you can't insult me" idea is common to
all causes, not just feminism, and to condemn feminists for it is unfair in
the extreme.

Firestar


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From: 00ajpayne@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wizard of Oz and TNG
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:51:25 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1dmkqtINNntl@gap.caltech.edu>, thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
> In <1di8qoINNs0n@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew B Englander) writes
>>>Aside from the reference in "True Q", there was one time when Crusher
>>>was in some warp bubble and said "click three times and say 'no place
>>>like home' ". Any others?
> 
> In article <1992Nov9.070031.1327@panix.com> pcg@panix.com (Paul Gallagher) writes:
>>In "The Schizoid Man," where a dying scientist takes over Data, the 
>>scientist whistles? "If I Only Had a Heart" from "The Wizard of Oz" movie.
> 
> Wasn't there an episode somewhere where someone kept calling Data "Tin Man"?
> (And, no, I'm not thinking of the episode "Tin Man", with the Enterprise and
> Romulans racing to reach the new spacecraft-sized lifeform.)
> -- 

Wasn't that "Skin of Evil"?????
-Jay


> ======================================================
> ====> Thomas Kiefer <===> thogek@cco.caltech.edu <====
> ======================================================
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: moe@netcom.com (Morris Bisted)
Subject: Cloaking devices (Spoilers) Rascals
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:58:57 GMT

Spoilers for Rascals














Now that the Enterprise has caught 2 Bird of Prey, hopefully the
Federation will have the forethought to try and figure out how this
technology works.  Then we won't repeatedly be pummeled with the
tired plot device of the Bird of Prey de-cloaking in front of the
Enterprise while its shields are down and immediately
blasting away causing the injury of the enterprise and requisite
heroic acts and "victory snatched from the jaws of defeat" endings
that this theme has brought about.  
	
But no!!  The Federation has only had knowledge and actual possession 
of the cloaking device since Kirk stole it in TOS (Did IBM get the
development contract or what?).  

Morris
From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TROI'S AND OTHERS' BODY
Date: 3 Nov 92 23:53:10 GMT


 >  "I like 'em round... and big!"

"Mah anaconda don't want none unless you've got buns hon!"

                                                        OM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: Star Fleet; is it military
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:03:22 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14n by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1dmnudINNpki@chnews.intel.com> smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
>
>I have been informed that star fleet isn't a military orginization, I always
>thought it was, they address each other in military ranks, and can be court
>marshaled.....
>any thoughts?
>Stephen

   "Space, the final..." is taken right from the Star Fleet charter and
 gives the impression that the primary mission of Star Fleet is one of
 exploration (which it is in TNG time, and always had been before that).

   However, when the Federation was established, I would guess that
 Star Fleet's "primary" mission was protection.  The federation was a
 small and weak group with five memeber worlds (if I remember correctly).
 The early days of the Federation (long before the time of James T.
 Kirk) saw a *lot* of space battles (read "Enterprise"...I know it isn't
 canon, but like all ST books, does provide insight).

   *** possible SPOILER in this paragraph ***

   And even in TNG time, SF has its share of fights (it has been established
 that the Fed recently was at war with the Cardassians, and that they
 may be again in the near future).  And even if the Federation didn't
 have enemies and fights were rare, Star Fleet would still be most
 efficient with a military style chain of command, IMHO.


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
From: rsh@engr.latech.edu (Tracer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Sux
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:16:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.1992Nov13.161620.3819
Reply-To: rsh@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

In article Mf0InCa00VpF0jZWgu@andrew.cmu.edu, "Richard K. Shehady" <rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>I have Never, to this day, seen the Enterprise beat an enemy warship of
>comparable power.  Oh sure, they wasted a few tiny ships here and there,
>but they've never beaten anyone of consequence.

How about the smuggler in Redemption I?

>[stuff deleted]

>If the enterprise is the flagship of the mighty Federation, shoudn't
>if be able to handle two Klingon vessels piloted by Ferengi?  I know
>the Enterprise is not technically a warship, but judging by the way
>it is refered to, I'd assume it is a cruiser-class ship.  

The big E is not a very effective warship with the saucer section attached.  To detach the saucer takes ... ummmm, I believe it's around five minutes (that's safely).  In a battle situation, five minutes can mean life, or gruesome death.

>
>In Rascals, Riker fired one phaser shot.  One.  What about photons?  
>Aren't they supposed to be the real weapons?  

Actually, photons are mainly used while at warp speed.  A manuverable ship can actually dodge a photon torpedo.  Phasers are still the "real" weapons.

>What about cloaking?  It seems to me, if a ship can creep up to the 
>Enterprise undetected, then the Romulans SHOULD have taken over the Fed
>by now, case closed.  

It is my understanding that when you install a cloaking device, you lose higher warp speeds and shield power.  Its not just when the cloak is on, but just having it on the ship.  I would rather be able to outrun something than to sneak up on it.

>
>Maybe I'm missing details here and there, but really, its just pathetic
>how badly the big-E has gotten its butt kicked time and again.
>
>hmmm...I feel a little better now....
>
>
>--------------------
>Rick Shehady
>rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu
>--------------------
>


This isn't a flame, just information :-).

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On the other side of the hill                            rsh@engr.latech.edu
is paradise, but does anyone know                        Scott "Tracer" Hollis
how to get through the forest 
in FRONT of the hill.