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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: SHARP AND ARA; THESE ORGANIZATIONS SHALL PERISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:21:36 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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unhealth@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kristian Dunn) writes:
: TO WHOM IT MAY  CONCERN:
: 
: 
: 	What in the hell is wrong with you kids out there? Why in the world
: 	would you join a group called "Skin Heads Against Racism & Prejudice"?
: 	Don't you know that most people not so well versed in Skinhead iden-
: 	tification would probably assume your a rigth-wing  SKinhead! Hell,
: 	before I was enlightened about the skinheads and their differences,
: 	even I, the Great White Right Wing Guru, assumed that all Skins were
: 	racist! Now that I think about it, I remember asking two Skins, that
: 	I erroneously assumed were Right-Skins, about fire bombing the local
: 	RED CROSS bum (Commonly referred to as "homeless individuals" in this
: 	P.C. day and age!) shelter! I was perplexed at that time why they 
: 	both said "FUCK YOU" in no uncertain manner, but now that I piece the
: 	incedent back together again it makes good sense to believe that 
: 	they must have been Leftist-Skins propaably aligned with SHARP OR ARA.
: 	I suggest that all of you skinheads out there, regardless of political
: 	opinion, get and organize a dress code, so I don't go bumbling into 
: 	a similar situation, again! I suggest that the Right Wing Skins should
: 	have a definitely identifiable and visible marking and so should the
: 	SHARP-sters, because I can't tell which side you are on, unless the 
: 	leftists have a Sickle and Hammer and the Right Wing Skins have a 
: 	Swastika or Iron Cross emblem on their jacket!
: 	Yeah, Iguess this article doesn't have much to do with the title, but 
: 	I thought it would get the attention of everybody on the net. I guess
: 	I haave cried wolf for my first time, huh!?
: 
: 					Kristian Dunn

Hey, another expression of Kristian's Mighty Aryan Courage!
Firebombing homeless shelters.  Yeah, boy, you one brave 
motherfucker.  Some of them homeless dudes might come running 
out of the fire and puke on you.

Bill
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Info about Skins in US
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:59:27 +0100
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
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fsgab@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

First off, thanks for the extensive information.


>	Let me explain skinhead to you.  Skinheads first appeared in the 1960s
>in Jamaica.  All of the original skinheads were black.  The common thread which
>made them a group (besides shaved heads) was ska music.  Ska is the pre-cursor
>to reagge, and it evolved from an acoustic music called mento.  
>	Because of the strong ties between Jamaica and the UK, ska music soon
>spread to England.  There, the skinhead scene soon expanded to include members
>of all races who listened to ska music, mostly blacks and whites.  The scene 
>was largely apolitical, but was composed almost entirely of working-class 
>males.  
>	When exactly racism and Nazism came to be connected with skinheads, I'm
>not quite sure.  It sure has made things confusing for all involved.  What I
>can tell you is that skinheads, real skinheads, are in no way connected to Nazi
>ideology or racism.  Mass media had no interest in skinheads until every NF and
>Nazi-youth member on the block shaved his head and called himself a skin.  
>Unfortunately, this is the only definition available to someone not familiar 
>with this subculture.  

Well, but there ARE (here in Germany) only a few non-nazi skinheads, I myself have
never heard of any, but I am not a member of this subculture, so that may explain
it. However, whenever someone decides to crack down on racism, he/she/they decide
to crack down on skinheads.
Now, is it really worth calling yourself a skinhead, when you will be viewed as
another racist statistically? I mean, the swastika for example is an old germanic
rune symbol (or some such, I'm no historian), but use it today and you will be
viewed as a Nazi. The swastika itself isn't evil, it was there long before Hitler,
but don't you inadvertently promote what it stands for, when using it?

>	Groups such as SHARP were organized by non-racist skinheads in order to
>combat the false stereotypes being implied by hairless Nazis.  I do not
>represent SHARP, but I can tell you that they are very (too?) serious, and have
>quite a following.  Also, not all non-racist skins belong to a non-racist skin
>organization.  Some of these organizations use questionable and/or violent
>methods, not approved of by all skins.  
>	I hope this has answered your questions.  Someone else may want to
>elaborate on the integration of racism and nationalism into the skinhead scene,
>or why Nazi-youth shave their heads.

Also, there appear to be some Nazi-types in this group...

>Educate to destroy the stereotypes, Grant Beaugard
>--------------------------------------------------------
>"So all you skinheads... get your boots on... and put your braces together" -
>The Specials, "Skinhead Moonstomp"
From: tlilley@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Tripp Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Apology
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:42:57 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
To: sk5h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sarah Michelle Kreidler)

sometimes i still think i might wig out and go nazi... it's seductive...
it's romantic... honestly speaking, the 'sell your soul and march in a 
stadium with a hundred-thousand others' really *looks* and *feels* astounding.
but the bottom line, and the bit that definitely nixes it for me, is the hate.
that's the part that i *thought* about, and that's the part that keeps me 
from complementing my 'bats with and assault rifle.  I suppose that's why I 
wear the starfleet uniform when i go to cons... or why i hack together my 
medieval garb to go to festivals... because it feels extremely reassuring
to know that you're part of an entity, however high and noble or low and 
ignoble that entity is...  it's the scary side of human personality that feels
better in a group, and acts differently in any group.

i'm still guilty of feeling the pull (if that's a thing of which we can be
guilty) but i'm also guilty of thinking against it...

i'd say i'm 'glad' you've 'joined us' ... but it's not about that.  i'm glad
you've elected thought.  if you still decide that the world would be a better
place if neighborhoods were monochrome, that's cool.  as long as *thought* is
the source of that decision.

- t.


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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: I LUV CAPS LOCK
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:50:06 GMT

goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman) writes:
>rpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert P. Cvetichan) writes:

>>TWELVE OUNCES OF COURAGE
>>MAKE THE WORLD LOOK BETTER.

>>POPE

>Um, get real 'POPE'. Get your courage from the heart and mind, not from a
>Mickeys Big Mouth, the Mickeys only makes you a big mouth.

On the otherhand, maybe he's quoting from the song because he agrees with it's
message, which apparently you do also.  Or are Dagnasty a drinking band...?
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca| Q: Why did the Jungle Fowl cross the road?          |
Behavioural Ecology   | A: To maximize it's lifetime reproductive success   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  | Q: Huh?                                             |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  | A: I guess it just needed to get to the other side. |
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: Pride/shame
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:30:12 GMT

In article <Dec11.091601.65248@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU () writes:
>
>		If you lived a hundred years ago you would have done the same thing that everyone else did, you would have conformed to their ways, just as you are now.  Try to hide your personal shame.   
>
          Huh!?

             Hubert.

Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: What's in Ska?/The Best Fucking Ska.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:26:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.211301.4639@spcvxb.spc.edu> 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>
>Since you are into Hardcore and punk, check out Operation Ivy.  They are sorta
>a combination punk/ska.  It will give you a feel of what you are getting into.
>They are on Lookout Records.
>
     Yeah, I just got one of their CDs, It's pretty hardcore, and well Ska! I
was looking for something Ska-ier though. I don't know if Skankin' Pickle or
Bim Skala Bim are indeed more Ska. I couldn't find any of them here (Indiana),
none of Bad Manners either. Anybody's got a lead into the West Lafayette
record dealerships? And hey, I want to sample real Ska! I saw a Ska-tellites
CD here, are they any good?

     Hubert.



Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: gilgan@ug.cs.dal.ca (Tommy Gilgan)
Subject: Re: SHARPS
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:52:08 GMT

In article <Dec17.224642.17563@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU () writes:
( unadulterated shit deleted)


How the hell can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even
format a post so that it is readable ?

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: Tell me about Spike and X
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:41:06 GMT

In article <0f_bID600awQ8Al1FR@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Scott Jefferson <ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>kitchen. As far as I can see, the Moslem religon has absolutely nothing
>to offer anyone and it always amazes me that people who critize
>Christianity for being narrow-minded embrace Moslems who are certainly
>no more open than the most fundamentalist of Christians.
>
      Quite right! Any religious fundamentalist/fanatic is a buttlicker!

      Down with religious oppression! 


         Hubert.


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: Alive?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:29:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

IS ANYONE OUT THERE ALIVE?  I SEE YOU'RE ALL TO BUSY STUDING FOR FINALS!

WHAT'S UP MARK?  HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM YOU LATELY, NOR ROMONA or KRISTAIN.


WHERE ARE ALL OF YOU LOOSE POOPERS?

Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:04:06 -0500 
From: Kenny Eng <ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: JIVE
Distribution: world

i think the company you are talkin about is called FRESH JIVE. theymake
t shirts with spoof on various products.  a lot of it is rave wear.  
 kenny
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 00:20:51 EST
From: Apocalypse Now <IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Sarah

Thanks to Sarah for reaffirming the belief that we all should talk about
our differences before going to war over them.
Thanx again!
-TC - Straight, Alert, Aware
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman)
Subject: Re: I LUV CAPS LOCK
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:10:12 GMT

rpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert P. Cvetichan) writes:

(deleted)

>TWELVE OUNCES OF COURAGE
>MAKE THE WORLD LOOK BETTER.

>POPE

Um, get real 'POPE'. Get your courage from the heart and mind, not from a
Mickeys Big Mouth, the Mickeys only makes you a big mouth.


-- 
Christopher L. Goosman                                   goose@irie.ais.org
Ann Arbor, MI USA                     University of Michigan Computing Club
     "The fools only laugh 'cause they envy you." -- Paul Weller, 1977
"You remember when?Yeah,so do I.They call those the Salad Days"Minor Threat
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: ERIC COOMER IS A BULLY BOY!!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:46:44 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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unhealth@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kristian Dunn) writes:
: In <1foq5qINNabu@agate.berkeley.edu> coomer@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Coomer) writes:
: 
: >In article <4f7bs=600awT5AGlZ3@andrew.cmu.edu> ssac+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Alan Sisson) writes:
: >>DUHHHH?????????????
: >>
: >>this newsgroup has gotten tooooooooooooooooooooooo f'd up.
: >>					lil teev
: 
: >Hey wait!  Don't you and Sara-she-wolf-of-the-SS go to the same
: >school????  
: 
: >Why don't you hunt her down and give her a boot in the ass for me?!
: 
: >Eric
: >Wondering how far of a drive it is to Mellon from Albany over 
: >Christmas break so I can have some violent fun!
: 
: 
: 
: Gee Eric what a great concept! I like that : "give" someone "the boot in 
: the ass" if they disagree with you! Are you sure you're not really a neo-
: Nazi in the closet at night! I'm sure that the  SS and you agree on quite a few
: things in principle, well so do I, so don't feel like your being left out.
: 
: I think you are nothing but a left wing bully boy from Berkely! you should be
: ashamed of yourself for advocating violence to the female gender, but we all
: know that you probably are not strong enough to fend for yourself when it 
: boils down to it ( please don't send me stories and folklore about your
: exploits against gangs of skins and your "Schwarzenegger"-ian physique!
: My email file is filled to the brim with other leftist bully boys, telling
: me how buff and bad they are!). Eric please write a little more politely
: next time or don't write at all, because the net is already being over-run
: by a bunch of foul-mouthed individuals who talk big and waste space with
: their dribble! I guess I could always post the threat you sent me after 
: I wrote my VIVA ROSTOCK message, but I'll keep it between you and me,
: because the authorities tend to take threats as a pretty serious offenc in
: California!
:  
:  Well Later big-Guy and please, remember, don't say anything if you nothing
:  nice to say at all!
: 
:  Be of good cheer this holiday season!          

Pretty strange set of accusations from someone who supports the
murderers of innocent Turkish women and children.  Just like you
cluster-fucking Nazi sheep.   

Bill     
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein)
Subject: "doc martens:scourge of our young lives?"
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:35:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

"Doc Martens obsession must face its day of reckoning. The very idea that one   brand of footwear could have the power to shape entire identities is such a load.Docs have become the ultimate indicators of indie-rock credibility, but at the same time have reached their height in mass popularity. At about 80 bucks a pop they're just not alternative anymore, even though they're looked on as such.    It's almost as if without a pair you can't possibly be truly 'alternative.' But the opposite of conformity isn'




t non-conformity, it's indifference to the       subject. So boycott Doc Martens and buy a pair of sneakers instead. Then you'll really be 'different.'"                                                         Just a little article from Sassy...don't laugh...they also predicted ska would  be the new cool music of the nineties.
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: SHARPS
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:45:46 GMT

cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU () writes:

  [a gazillion absurdities deleted, none of which required more than three
      neurons to refute...]
>Skins may have originated in England but we are here now and we are going to
>survive. 

   Eish you even blew this one, Skins originated in Jamaica you moron!

>Your apa
> approach to your cause isn't from the heart. That is why you look down every time we (the proud) walk into your weak ass night scene. We are the strong, you are the weak, we will always have power over you.

True strength is manifest by kindness, patience & generosity; meanness
viciousness and pettiness are the true marks of weakness.
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca| Q: Why did the Jungle Fowl cross the road?          |
Behavioural Ecology   | A: To maximize it's lifetime reproductive success   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  | Q: Huh?                                             |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  | A: I guess it just needed to get to the other side. |
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From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: "doc martens:scourge of our young lives?"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:36:33 GMT

In article <Dec13.024014.75148@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein) writes:
>anyone who flames me for my messy post is an asshole...so don't do it!
>

      Would you goddam stop posting messy articles you maxi-pad without deodo-
rant!

      Hubert.
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: erm...i expected something a bitty diffe
From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk (Grant Doig)
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:03:48 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


i thought this group would be discussion on skinhead life, music..

hardcore, straightedge etc..

why is it so full of racism and hatred???

i know the majority dint feel like those few idiots (i hope!!)


so whats going on????????

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From: co050@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Cors)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Power with Plurality
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:13:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hmmm... Notice the plural signatutre....

When have any of you NON-racist skins vere seen singular reacist boneheads
make statements and do anything by themselves??   Just a small point that
I think needed to be called attention to...


Other than that, anyone have any Ska-related GRF's...   I mean GIF's??  If so
could you be kind enough to upload them via FTP to wuarchive.wustl.edu or any
other FTP site that you coud, and leave me the sites address??  Thanks...

Bri
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein)
Subject: Re: "doc martens:scourge of our young lives?"
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:40:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

anyone who flames me for my messy post is an asshole...so don't do it!

Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: responce
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:07:27 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: Whaat the hell is this about?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:39:22 GMT

In article <Dec17.053513.23812@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU writes:
>
> 	JEAN-HUBERT, PLEASE, GO BACK TO SLEEP.!!
>	ChrisTOPHer.
>
     Hey TO4, I am sleeping! How else could I crank out such nice prose!

     Hubert.
From: h8n@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Overly condescending ska post
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:22:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Cornell University

In response to hubert, et al.
I think there is a huge difference between British and American ska. 
Someone has just listed some American bands, including the Toasters and Bigger
Thomas (which split to form "Native Son" and "Bigger Thomas International",
both ofwhich are inferior to the original, I've heard) (Oh, and Richard
Wright wrote Native Son; Bigger Thomas is the main character in that book).
Both of those are good bands, but the others mentioned, esp. No Doubt, are very
substandard and sometime not very ska (which is not to say bad, just not
very representative).  People seem to think that an upbeat gutiar is all you
need. Ah well. Other really good American ska bands are the Scofflaws, Bim
(which was mentioned-- they just cam eout with a new album called Bones
which is good but short), Mephiskapheles, and the Citizens in the East,
and Let's Go Bowling, the Dance-Hall Crashers, and the Skeletones in the
West Coast, and others of course.  But all of these are really variant
adaptions (some improvements, some not) on British ska, ie the Specials, 
English Beat, Madness and the Selecter and other 2Tone bands. I would highly
recommend checking out these bands first so you can see where the whole style
comes from. (Of course, all the 2Tone stems from 60's Jamaican ska, like the
Skatalites and others. A CD called Ska Bonanza is good.)  Wow, that 
really sounded preachy but once I start talking about this I have trouble
stopping, sorry. So to start, check out the roots, and then find new
stuff to listen to. And, by the way, if anyone wants some music to trade, drop
me a line. 
Glenn
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
From: reddog@sage.cc.purdue.edu (RedDog)
Subject: Re: TO HUBERT (What's in Ska?/The Best Fucking Ska.)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.082621.29039@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>Bim Skala Bim are indeed more Ska. I couldn't find any of them here (Indiana),
>none of Bad Manners either. Anybody's got a lead into the West Lafayette
>record dealerships? And hey, I want to sample real Ska! I saw a Ska-tellites
>CD here, are they any good?
>
>     Hubert.
>
>
>
Hey, Hubert, I am Kenny -located right here in W Lafayette.  I just picked
up BIM SKALA BIM's _Bones_ the other day at Von's.  Definitley get the
SKATELLITES thing, cause if you dont, I will.  (Ill have to have someone tape
it for me because i dont have a cd player, and no cd's either.)

If you want to email me, to get some stuff, maybe we'll make up a tape for
you if you want.  Here's my address (for anyone)

		reddog@sage.cc.purdue.edu

Indigo.
Indigoing.
Indigone.

Kenny Redman
.