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From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Speaker question, sound good?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:35:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Regarding the question of loading a 2x10 cabinet...

Much has been posted, some relative, aome not.  Some accurate, some not.
I will try to address your initial questions and ignore the rest.

If you're looking to load a 2x10, see if you can find some aluminum cone
speakers like the Hartkes.  I found JALs for $16 apiece that sounded
great when installed in a Fender 2x10 cab.  Things to look for are frequency
response and impedance:  you want something like 50-4000 Hz. and either
4 or 8 ohms.  If you get 4's, wire them in series.  If you get 8's (better)
wire them in parallel.  You will almost certainly get more power out of
your amp using paralleled 8's.

Now realize your bass response is not going to be great out of a 2x10 cab,
no matter what speakers you put in... If you play jazz or funk, that may not
be an issue, but don't expect it to pump out the low D in "Dr.Feelgood".

Highs will not be your problem with a 2x10 cab, properly loaded.
You do not need a horn with 10's.  It is a gimmick.  'Nuff said.

Scorpions (Peavey) may be a decent choice for speakers.  The Black Widows
(which are excellent 15 & 18s) do not come in 10", at least as of this spring.
I have never heard a bass cab loaded with celestions that didn't sound like a
guitar cabinet.  You may wish to consider some speakers from Parts Express if 
you are on a budget.  One to consider would be 
	#294-080	BBC 10" cast, 44-5000 Hz, 8 ohm, 93 dB/W/m
			$82.50 ea.
	#290-094	Pioneer 10", 30-3000 Hz, 8 Ohm, 100W, 96 dB/W/m
			$41.50 ea.
I have some similar 15" pioneers in 2-way cabinets and am VERY pleased with
the sound quality.  Your mileage may vary.  PE is at 1-800-338-0531.

I acheived a very pleasing sound using aforementioned 2x10 with aluminum JALs
in combination with a Peavey 2x15 powered by a Peavey head.  The 10s by
themselves lacked the kick-you-in-the-chest WHUMP that I like as part of
my sound.

I would bring my rig to a competent store and audition some pre-built 2x10s by 
themselves to make sure you won't miss the bottom end.

Good luck.

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From: v087n562@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Lewis A Bernstein)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Starter Bass ...
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Well, I was looking at a semi-local stores selection of basses and I
found one that I have never heard of (shouldn't be too tough).  I was
looking for a cheap (inexpensive) bass since I don't own one yet and 
the salesman showed me a 'Saturday Night Special'.  It is a full sized
beginners bass that was running about $150 new.  It didn't sound bad to
me (then again, what do I know?)  What I am looking for is someone who
has heard something about these basses and to tell me what it was they
heard, good or bad.  I am seriously considering picking one up. 

Thanks for your attention.

Lew
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Les Paul Signature Bass
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:16:44 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <90587@netnews.upenn.edu> jhyatt@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Jason Hyatt) writes:

>I've been playing a Gibson Les Paul Signature Bass for a while now.
>It's got one soap-bar-type pickup and a semi-hollow body.  I bought 
>it real cheap used.  I recently saw my same bass in Guitar Magazine's
>buyer's guide list priced at just over $1500.  Are the older models also this
>valuable?  Please clue me in on my bass.

The original Les Paul bass was the Les Paul Recording, a solid body
with two humbuckers.  That was followed by a similar model, the
Triumph, and then a hollow body version (that you seem to have).

The Recording model is relatively rare, while the Triumph is more
common and more of a player's instrument (it's also prettier than the
Recording with a lighter finish, binding and inlays).  Neither is much
in demand.  They're not terribly reliable and have too many switches
and knobs for my taste.  They're also heavy -- nice neck though.  You
can find them in good condition for between $300 and $700, depending
on condition and where you find them.  Many of the LP basses, as with
the LP guitars, have repaired headstocks -- look carefully before you
buy.

The hollow body bass, in my opinion, was a dog.  Occasionally a
collector will want one but no player in his right mind would, except
perhaps as a conversation piece.  The price you saw was a collector's
price -- I saw a similar price in one of the high-priced shops on
Hollywood's Sunset Blvd.

The new LP solid body basses are the best LP basses Gibson has ever
issued.  Oddly, the bottom-of-the-line bass ($539 at Manny's in NYC)
is the best sounding/feeling one of the line.


Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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From: toddc@spot.tv.tek.com (Todd Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: How about certain songs?? (Was Re: Singing and Playing)
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:53:51 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.  Beaverton, Oregon


Yes, I have done it after LOTS of practice, but there have been some
songs that are just too tough rhythmically.

   e.g.  Livin' in the U.S.A.  - Steve Miller
         (The original, not the live version)

What are some others to avoid?

                                        Todd


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From: KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu (Karl Nordstrom)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: J-Bass vs P-Bass pickups
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:56:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Whats the difference between the Fender Jazz's and the Precision's pickups?
How do they work?  I think the Jazz bass has a bar pickup and the P-bass has
poles.  Obviously, the Jazz bass has a second pickup closer to the bridge and
that would account for some of the higher sound that the Jazz has.  Is the
Jazz's pickup by the neck in the same position as the precisions pickup?
I like the sound of the Jazz bass, the wider spectrum of harmonics that it
has (I think).  Can I get this sound on my P-bass?  Would I have to add a
Jazz bass pick or two?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Singing and playing
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:15:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.193432.2048@head-cfa.harvard.edu>  
eskridge@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Paul Eskridge) writes:
> Ross Clement writes, 
> >According to "The Rock and Roll Singer's Handbook" a problem with singing
> >in general is that basically you can only do one thing conciously at once.
>
> While this DOES seem like an utterly reputable source for information on
> psychophysiology, I'm afraid that...

Yes, I _did_ hear that you have a PhD in psychophysiology. Thanks for sharing.

> I sing and play at the same time a lot.  It isn't so hard as it looks, once
> you've spent 5-8 years working on it...

We're not worthy!  We're not worthy!

> But enough of this gibberish,

Ditto.


.
From: labuski@emavr01.rtp.dg.com (Frank Labuski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: LA BELLA
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:22:33 GMT
Reply-To: labuski@emavr01.rtp.dg.com (Frank Labuski)
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

Has anyone ever heard of La Bella bass strings?  I've got a Fender
P-bass and I was told once that these strings were made for Fenders, but
I have had trouble finding them.  I bought a set a couple of years ago
and liked them a lot but haven't been able to find them since.  Does
anyone know if they still make them??  Thanks!!
From: tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony Merante)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Singing and playing simultaneously
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:11:21 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

  Playing and Singing at the same time is just like anything else you do thats
difficult.  I mean It's takes time and a heck of a lot of practice.  How long
did it take you to learn a scale or a couple of licks.  Do you think Geddy Lee
Picked up the bass and started to sing Red Barchetta or Les Claypool with Tommy
the Cat.  It's just something you have to keep at.  

  When I have to play a line and sing over the thing that holds me back the
most Is staying in tune while I sing.  You just have to keep your ears open to
what your doing.

  Bottom line:  It's extremly hard but next time your practicing stand up in
front of a mirror and just start singing.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: ohashi@hpkidmb.kobe.hp.com (Yasufumi Ohashi)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: "Personal" Amps
Date: 25 Sep 92 11:07:22 GMT
Organization: YHP KID Marketing, Kobe Japan

> Scholtz Bass Rockman
> Scholtz Bass Ace
> Zoom 9002
> Ibanez Rock&Play
> Epiphone
> 
> Anyone have any feedback?  Anyone?  Anyone?  Buehler.....

I have Ibanez Rock & Play.  I think it is good for practice with tape, 
rhythm box, or your friend guitarist or keyboardist, except it has some 
hiss noise.

That is, it has two input phone jacks, two output headphone jacks, tape 
volume, instrument 1 & 2 volumes, tape speed control, effect (complessor, 
chorus), and bass enhance switch for tape.  

When your tape speed is little faster or slower than original, you can 
control the tape speed to adjust to your bass tuning.  

It has two input jacks, so you can play with rhythm box or other player 
because it has two headphone jacks.

I'm usualy using it at my apartment, so I don't use the built in 
complessor, instead using BOSS comp/limitter (half rack size), and BOSS 
Dr. Rhythm is connected in the other input jack anytime.

--
Yasufumi Ohashi
Yokogawa Hewlett Packard, Ltd.
Kobe Instrument Division (Kobe, Japan)
ohashi@hpkidmb.kobe.hp.com
From: jchilber@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jeffrey Allen Chilberto)
Subject: Suggestions on buying a new amp
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:30:20 GMT
Distribution: all

Hello out there!

I'm getting interrested in buying a larger
amp for my bass.  I want something large
enough for a small club, but not too
expensive.  I have no idea on what brands
are better or what to actually look for.
Any suggestions out there?  Also what types
of affects do some of the bassists out there
use?

Take it easy,
Jeff
From: bill@bohemia.metronet.org (Bill Dixon)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: FORSALE: BASS CAB; Bassman, and Pre-amp
Summary: Amps and cabs for sale
Keywords: Bass Speakers Cabinets Amplifier
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:07:00 GMT
Organization: Bohemia BBS System

I have the following items available for sale:

	

	Fender Bassman 100 W. HEAD
		I don't know the year but it is CBS. New pre and power
		amp tubes (<30 hrs.). $300


	Ampeg 8x10 Bass Cabinet
		Older cabinet re-covered in grey ozite. All harware in 
		great shape. $750


	Ampeg 4x12 Guitar Cabinet
		In great shape soundwise tho' the covering is scratched
		and has some small tears $225


	Yamaha Bass Preamp.
		Solid state w/ x-over for bi-amp outs;graphic and parametric 
		equalizers; effects loop; etc. $100

I will deliver any item in Denver Metro (Boulder;Broomfield etc. as well).
Will ship if requested, but I'd rather not. If you don't like the prices make me an 
offer. Email bill@bohemia.metronet.org or Speakmail (303)657-0128 (lv msg).
From: jonathan@mantis.co.uk (Jonathan Egre')
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Weak Fingers
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:38:00 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

harlow@waikato.ac.nz writes:

> Hi,
>    Well thanks for the advice on buying a beginners bass. I have taken heed o
> all your suggestions and found the bass for me. I've had it for two days now
> and are practicing madly. However, my fingers are too small! I'm having a rea
> struggle keeping those strings down. Is this a common beginners complaint? Wi
> my fingers stretch and strengthen? Any advice on fingering and technique woul
> be appreciated.

Obviously your fingers won't get any longer, but you can certainly expect
your span and strength to increase slowly over time.  This will come
naturally if you keep playing any musical instrument (except the harmonica, I 
suppose).

You might like to try the Carol Kaye/Simandl fingering.  (Carol Kaye is an 
electric bass player who was quite well known in the sixties; Simandl wrote
the standard book on upright bass playing.)  It's not very popular, but it
works well for a person with small and/or weak hands.

There are two (independent) main points:

(1) In any given hand position, you only attempt to play notes in a span of
    three frets (guitar-oriented bassists would demand a span of at least
    four frets).  The fingers you use on these three consecutive frets are
    your index finger, your middle finger, and your ring & little fingers 
    together on the third fret (or just your third finger when you play
    higher up the neck).

    You should already have enough strength and stretch to fret notes like
    this. 
    
    The drawback to this technique is that you can't play much in the space
    of only three frets, so you'll have to learn to move your hand up and 
    down the neck quite soon.  Ideally, instead of moving your whole
    hand at once, you should move either your thumb or your palm and fingers,
    and then move the other half of your hand - a sort of caterpillar motion.

(2) When you fret a note with your middle, ring or little fingers, use the
    "previous" fingers of your fretting hand to hold the string down.
    (But keep these helping fingers to their proper frets.)

Hope this helps!

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From: jhyatt@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Hyatt)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Les Paul Signature Bass
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:36:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I've been playing a Gibson Les Paul Signature Bass for a while now.
It's got one soap-bar-type pickup and a semi-hollow body.  I bought 
it real cheap used.  I recently saw my same bass in Guitar Magazine's
buyer's guide list priced at just over $1500.  Are the older models also this
valuable?  Please clue me in on my bass.

Thankx
From: jchilber@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jeffrey Allen Chilberto)
Subject: request for tab
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:26:43 GMT
Distribution: all

Hello out there!

I'm looking for some tab.  If anyone can
give me a hand I would appreciate it.

Chili Peppers (pre-Sex Magic -> if anyone needs
some songs from Sex Magic let me know)
Violent Femms
Primus
Pantera
Doors
Suicidal Tendencies
DRI
Dead Milkmen
Seven Seconds
Sex Pistols
DK

Thanks,

Jeff
From: tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony Merante)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: a low down list: top five metal bass players
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:20:46 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

  Sailing the Seas of Cheese Is by far The best Primus.  If you Liked Frizzle
Fry and Suck on This You really need to check That Out!  It's got a lot of that
Famous Les claypool "strum".  I've been working on that a Lot lately.  That Guy
has influenced me so much on the bass.  I've just about figured out all of
Sailing the seas.  It's well worth the 15$ bucks(cd).  
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill)
Subject: Re: Slap Style
Keywords: Slap it 'til ya go blind or deaf!
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:43:49 GMT

In article <30SEP199215475757@baton.ccit.arizona.edu> doug@baton.ccit.arizona.edu (Doug Wellington) writes:
>Forget Stu Hamm's video, get The Slap Bass Program from Video Progressions.
>It's by Alexis Sklarevski, the bass columnist for Guitar Player Mag.
>This is _THE BEST WAY_ to learn how to slap. 
I second that emotion!  I was going to suggest that earlier but I couldn't
remember how to spell his name.  I have the video.  EXCELLENT!
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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Slap Style 
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:18:48 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep28.213843.22786@qualcomm.com>, dweber@crow.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber) writes:
> 
>    I need some help learning the slap style of playing: I recently
>   Joined a band and there are some parts that require slap bass; the
>   problem is that I play an old Gibson EB-0 bass with fairly high action

Can you lower the action?

>   and narrow neck width making my attempts at slapping very poor sounding.

Narrow neck is OK.  

>   Are some basses better suited at getting a good slap tone? Is a wider

I don't think that a P bass gives a very good slap tone.  The J bass is really
good, but I prefer a bass with humbuckers in the neck and bridge positions with
them both on.  This gives a nice sweet buzzed tone.  Also, I like to take a lot
of the mids out of the sound so that it doesn't sound so bright.

>   neck better (easier to hit the strings without hitting anonther)?

I don't believe that the width of the neck makes that much difference.  I play
a Westone 5-string now and the strings are pretty close together.  I personally
like that a lot better than the huge spaces between strings on the 4-string.  

>   If I can't get it to sound right they've been talking about letting the 
>   computer do the slap parts for me! (How humiliating!)

Slap underhanded.  I see a lot of bass players slapping overhanded (with their
hand in the same position as if they were playing with their fingers), and I
think that it is actually harder to learn how to play that way.  

So even though it may take a little bit to get used to, slap underhanded (looks
like you are giving a slanted "thumbs-up" to your strings.  Where you hit is
right at the very end of the neck.  Kind of a "hit that string" and "mute the
one below" with you thumb action.  

> 
>   Frustrated and not wanting to buy another bass,

Write me some e-mail and I'll try to explain further.

> 
>   Dano
> 
>   dweber@crow.qualcomm.com

ps. I like to use heavy bottom, extra-light top gauged strings.

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: dweber@crow.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber)
Subject: Re: Slap Style
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:08:53 GMT



   Hey Guys, 

    Thanks for all the great advice and tips! I decided to try and
   make the EB-0 work with the slap. I've installed a Dimarzio Jazz
   Bass pick-up by the bridge and I am having a Wilkinson Bridge 
   installed to replace the stock Gibson Bridge and lower the action.
   Why all this trouble you ask? I love the lighter weight and thin
   neck, and it was a hand me down from my dad.

   Keep popping!

   Dano
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Singing and playing simultaneously
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

In article <Bv9AM0.1IH@cdsmn.mn.org> plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.183444.12311@reed.edu> mojo@reed.edu (-><-) writes:
> 
> PRACTICE.  Even Geddy Lee, when asked how he did it, said "Sit at home and
> practice".

Unless you will be performing sitting, I suggest you practice standing
as well.  I've found after practicing while sitting that it wasn't
quite the same feeling playing while standing...

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
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From: hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu (Haw Juin Lin)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Speaker question, sound good?
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:57:44 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I would suggest ordering Celestion speakers or something of the type.

Subwoofers are made for stereo systems, which produce a wide range of sounds.
You would be wasting money on sounds that you wouldn't ever use. And
also, the stereo speakers don't narrow the quality of sound to the Bass
or Guitar range, thus you wouldn't be getting your money's worth.

Also, if you can, see if you can get a Black Widow or some Scorpions.
They are one of the best speakers for the price.

Later

Merlin
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner)
Subject: Geddy Lee's Singing (was Singing and playing simultaneously)
Originator: pturner@nevin
Organization: WCDP
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:49:22 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.201235.20885@cs.yale.edu>, nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
|> In article <Bv9AM0.1IH@cdsmn.mn.org> plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes:
|> > In article <1992Sep24.183444.12311@reed.edu> mojo@reed.edu (-><-) writes:
|> > 
|> > PRACTICE.  Even Geddy Lee, when asked how he did it, said "Sit at home and
|> > practice".
|> 

	Was this from some resent Geddy Lee interview that he said this?
	If so, what mag and issue? I've never heard he say much about
	his singing
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