HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: The European Parliament Recognized Turkish Genocide in 1984.
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:58:24 GMT






<1992Aug13.181403.21960@leland.Stanford.EDU>
arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)

>>Always there is 'kacik's laughter. 

>	Dear Mutlu, please concentrate for one moment:
>are you saying that the European Parliament did not pass
>such a resolution in 1984? YES OR NO? EVET OR HAYR?

No-ian; these 'clownians' make me laugh. The claim relative to the United 
Nations is based upon the so-called 'Whitaker Report' submitted to 
the U.N. Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection 
of Minorities in the Summer of 1985. This report, drafted by one Benjamin 
Whitaker, made reference to the Armenian joke, but in no sense was it 
adopted or even "received" by the Sub-Commission, which only "noted" 
the report-in United Nations parlance: it was shelved. In other words, 
the Sub-Commission specifically refused to transmit it to the full 
Human Rights Commission. 

As for the alleged action of Turkey's European NATO allies in endorsing
the Armenian joke, it rests on a recent European Parliament vote relating 
to the so-called 'Vandemeulebroucke Report.' However, it received only 
the votes of 68 of the Parliament's 518 members, i.e., less than 15% of 
the members voted in favor of this section of the report. Not surprisingly, 
this tiny minority was comprised almost exclusively of Communists, Socialists,
Greens, and Greeks - all of whom are consistently hostile towards Turkey.
Most of these normally hold positions that are inconsistent with traditional 
Western interests. It is noteworthy too that, predictably, every Greek member 
voted for the joke. Two-thirds of the Parliament were not even present 
for the debate or the vote, on the grounds that the European Parliament was 
not the proper place to discuss historically controversial issues and that 
it should not pass historical judgements. The European Parliament does not 
speak for the 12 member governments of the community. According to its 
charter, it is a consultative body.

Change your church or brain.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Forger Viznyuk strikes in "talk.politics.soviet"
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:19:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.191457.25784@news2.cis.umn.edu> cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar) writes:
>In article <9208131658.AA11651@hpsdlo.sdd.hp.com> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>>In article <9208130012.AA18576@zoro.cis.temple.edu> zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU
>>(Zaphiris Christidis) writes:
>>
>
>The path of the forgery was:
>
>>Path: news.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!paperboy.micro.umn.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mips!apple!ig!micro.cs.umn.edu!cosar
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^
>The server of U of MN is "news.cis.umn.edu" nothing can get to your dirty nest
>at "ohio-state" without passing thru it, Viznyuk.

    I thought you was exposed enough, wasn't you Cosar ?
Here is nice Russian verse for kids about Cosar and Mutlu:

  Idet Cosar, kachaetsia,
  Vzdykhaet na khodu, -
  Ah, Mutla konchaetsia -
  Sejchas ia upadu...

  ---------------------


>
>Are you the one forging those zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU articles, Viznyuk?
>

   Cosar, what did you swallow ?

>
>--
>   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
>Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________

S.V.
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: 'Zap*' Of IBM -- A Mouthpiece For 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' : Expose'.
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:00:53 GMT





<BsyME8.Ip5@rice.edu>
patrick@is.rice.edu (Turk Tweaker)

>>Well, you are barking up the wrong tree. There is no doubt in my
>>mind that if 'Zap*' and the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism 
>>Triangle stopped sending in those weekly paychecks, there would be no 
>>more articles posted by 'mutlu' to 'Humphrey-land.'

>So go back to your little hovel in the Third World and get yourself killed.

This is closely related to saying exactly what I mean. I am trying to go 
back to my little hovel in '*.*.soviet.'

>The world will be a little bit better off for it, and Usenet will be a LOT
>better off.  Keep your garbage in newsgroups that it pertains to -- and
>anything *.soviet doesn't fit that description.  You dig?

Fortunately, you are not valued by the pound. The cold-blooded genocide
of 2.5 million Muslims by the x-Soviet Armenian government does fit
'Humphrey-land' description.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: vvirrank@cc.Helsinki.FI (Ville Virrankoski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: What kind of people are Turks?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:33:58 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland
X-Reader: GNUS 3.13


After reading couple of articles written by H.B.Mutlu and also
bunch of answers to them and again Mutlu's answers etc.
I got a clear opinion what kind of people Turks are.

They are:

-LIERS, they present clear lies and when someone catch their lies,
        they change subject.

-FORGERS, they 'borrow' part of the articles and 'forget' another part
        depending what is suitable for them, changing totally what
        writer of the article said in the style:
        Writing in the book: Armenians was killed by Turks.
        Mutlu's quota:       Armenians killed Turks.
        (This quotation came from my imagination, but You got the point)

-RACIST they are full of racial and religious hatred toward Greeks and
        Armenians.

-REVISIONIST they want to change writing of history; not anymore based
        with facts but nationalism and politics.

-MISBEHAVING if someone presents facts that they are wrong, they start
        insulting that one. If someone didn't agree with them, they
        imagine there are some kind of plot against them and those
        opposing them are liers, propagandists, terrorist, etc.

-WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF HUMOR Anyone reading Tom Tedrick's article could
        sense irony of history, but Turks couldn't...


If all Turks are like HBM, I strongly wish they will stay within their
current borders. And I also hope they don't either travel like tourists
anywhere. And that no-one should ever visit Turkey, because those traits
may spread...
(Personally, I could some day visit ancient Constantinopolis but I hope
as little contacts as possible with modern Istambul.)


Stop humiliating Turks, Hasan B. Mutlu!


V.Virrankoski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
From: michaili@wakeman.EuroPARC.Xerox.COM (Spyros Michailidis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Should Hasan B Mutlu have his posting privileges yanked?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:52:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: parc.1992Aug17.175244.20844
Organization: Rank Xerox EuroPARC, Cambridge, UK

In article <1992Aug17.124908.5821@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington) writes:
|>  If you find
|> cross postings, from whatever source, irksome then please let Mr Mutlu
|> know by writing to him directly or writing to
|> postmaster@anadolu.michigan.com and complaining.
|> 
|> Follow ups to soc.culture.turkish . The ***only*** newsgroup that
|> Hasan B Mutlu should be posting to.
|> 
|> Chris

Good idea, but here's a perhaps more interesting variation:
How about forwarding *all* his postings back to his personal account?
And I mean each and every one of us will send him back his garbage. This will
obviously cause a lot of inconvenience to his SA and will overload the network
but it might make him at least reduce his production rate.

Well, what does the net think about that?

Spyros Michailidis
michailidis@europarc.xerox.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: SEMIBRA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Academic gender discrimination stats
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:22:52 EDT

 An interesting piece of statistics, taken from Physics Today, Aug.1992,
p.40 (Original sources are quoted there):
 
% OF WOMEN PHYSICS FACULTY AND DEGREE RECIPIENTS IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
                       Recent  Recent
COUNTRY      Faculty   Ph.D's  Bachelors
 
Hungary         47      27      50
Philippines     31      60      28
USSR            30      25      34
Italy           23      21      29
France          23      21      24
Turkey          23      17      38
Brazil          18      31      24
Poland          17      17      14
Spain           16      21      17
Belgium         11      29      33
India           10      26      25
South Africa     9      21      24
East Germany     8      18      12
Ireland          7      20      22
New Zealand      6      11      10
Netherlands      6       4      20
Japan            6       4       7
United Kingdom   4      12      16
United States    3       9      15
Korea            3       5      20
 
(I don't know why West Germany isn't in the table and East Germany is, or
 which Korea they are talking about)
 
Ibrahim Semiz
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: SEHNAZ WINS GRAND PRIX OF VOICE OF ASIA FESTIVAL
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:12:23 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

SEHNAZ WINS GRAND PRIX OF VOICE OF ASIA FESTIVAL

In the song  contest at the fourth annual Voice  of Asia Festival
held  between 1-9  August  in Alma  Ata,  Kazakhstan, pop  artist
Sehnaz,  representing Turkey  won the  Grand Prix  with her  song
"Bugun tadim yok" ("I am not in the mood today").

Korea,  the  People's  Republic   of  China  and  Kazakhstan were
runners-up of the contest entered by artists from 29 countries.

The Turkish artists Baris Manco  and Oktay Ulkuguner were members
of the jury.

NEWSPOT, August 1992
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From: marchi@gold.cchem.berkeley.edu (Massimo Marchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: What about Greeks?? (was Re: What kind of people are Turks?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:02:02 GMT
Followup-To: marchi@cecaix.cecam.fr
Organization: Dept of Chemistry, University of California at Berkeley (not there anymore)

In article <16pogkINNsnq@agate.berkeley.edu> tsatsaro@emily4.Berkeley.EDU (Konstantinos Tsatsaronis) writes:
>Well if you do not want people to generalize from Mutlu's postings to all
>Turks then you have to register at least ONE posting by a Turk that 
>criticizes his opinions, or at least his methods.

I still have to read one posting by a Greek criticizing the official
Greek government position on the "Macedonia" issue. Isn't it amazing how you
two peoples are so similar in your extreme nationalism? Why can't we see any
difference in attitude and position between two Greek or Turkish posters??
It was suggested it be lost in the noise. Well, maybe...

mm

PS By the way, I personally like Mutlu's postings and follow-ups very
   much. They are always very funny and picturesque. Thank you
   Hasan. They have definitely contributed to change my views about 
   Turkey, Grece and Armenia.
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: The 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' 'kucukucus' Would Like 'Tamamidis,' I Think.
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:02:02 GMT






<1992Aug17.124213.28514@ddsw1.mcs.com>
karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)

>Not at all, considering the number of forgeries in his name I have seen
>since I started paying a modicum of attention to the matter.
>I was simply asking if >this particular article< is legitimate.  Circular and
>general statements don't answer the question.

Why am I condemned to repeat ad-infinitum that the above is nonsense? This 
is one theory that you keep throwing out of your hat without having ever
presented a shred of evidence to back it up, Karl. Can you provide any
proof for this assertion? 


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,talk.politics.soviet,soc.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS OUT! MUTLU IS AN AI PROGRAM!
Date: 12 Aug 92 00:09:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

(David Davidian) writes:
>>The chance of a Turk (Mutlu) in the United States, posting a series of postings
>>on UseNet at the same time (actually slightly before) we hear a Radio Turkey
>>series aired with the same subjects as Mutlu's articles week after week, 
>>through random processes is nearly ZERO. We would need quantum mecahnics to 
>>generate such probability. And considering the zero mass of Mutlu's brain, it 
>>would require a quantum mechanical model. How about the idiot in a potential
>>well? 

As usual the filthy terrorist Davidian is lying. 
Let's get this straight. Now Peter's joke:

(Peter Deutsch) writes:
>That's when it clicked. MUTLU IS AN AI PROGRAM!

Remember the story from "I, Robot" ? How can we trust you that you are
not a secondary, lesser-important product of the same lab, with the
sole function of minimizing the existing doubts about the
humanity of the primary product ? 

On the other hand, Davidian is not AI or anything exciting like that.
He's just a rotten genocide apologist, now campaigning for new slaughters
in Caucasus.

Kutluk
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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Stop Slaughters of Armenians
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:46:04 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <169gc4INNfu6@agate.berkeley.edu> mikie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Wu) writes:


>   I have done a great amount of research on Armenia, and
>   I think Armenians, after years of persecussion, deserve
>   some time off from being slaughtered and deported.  I am
>   sure every human being agrees with me.

We know what kind of resarch you've made when you come out and 
start talking with a one-sided view. We have been listening to
that research that accuses every Turk, kills Turkish diplomats,
and massacres Azerbaijani civilians. 

What you call research is the same stuff when German youth watched
Goebells' probaganda films circa 1939. Every human would agree
with him too, he was sure.

>   Ictenlikle sizin,

There is no such word-to-word translation in Turkish.

Kutluk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mikie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Guavas Water 263.9 Smurfs
Keywords: Anyone can have an AI program :-)
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:37:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu


I am sure you will agree that 'Yed' is wrong:

<1992Jul16.131836.13899@wpi.WPI.EDU>
nyh@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nevo Y Hed)

>computer messed up.  Then a quote is randomly selecvted from his
>database of revisionst writers and off it goes.  This process takes
>very little time if we compare to the mass of posts.

Well, our old 'beacon of revisionism' has joined the cripples on
the edge of the herd. And a new 'nevo hed' is in order. Here we are, 
almost at the end of the 20th century, and a whole community, the 
Smurfs of x-Soviet Guava-Land1 and Guava-Land2, is facing forced 
jump-roping, water-gunnings on one hand and forced singing, 
sliming and tickling on the other, all because of their ethnic 
and religious background. And one should ask herself: is the world 
community really so powerless? Where are all those Guavan rights 
advocates? Where are all the decent cooks? Are we going to 
let this Smurfian tragedy go on and do nothing about it? The number
of Smurfs tickled by the terrorist Guavan army and its savage
gangs is increasing. On the one hand they wish to distort the truth
and on the other, they beg for seconds of Stuffed Turkey. And the 
dessert is long overdue.


Guava-Land2 Victims tickled in Smurf Town :

"Smurfs Claim Hundreds Laughed in Guavan Attack...Of seven Smurfs 
 here today, two were children and three were women, one tickled on 
 the chest at what appeared to be close range.  Another 120 Smurfs 
 were treated for over laughing in Smurf-town's hospital."
 Thomas Goltz
 The Laughing Journal, 2/28/92


Guavas Burn Smurf Village in New Unrest:

"Guavan guerillas attacked a strategic Smurf village...in Guava-Land 
 and burned it to the ground on Tuesday, the Weather Channel reported. 
 Channel 69 television said the village of Papa-Smurf, in the blue forest 
 district, was now cut off and a large number of Apples were left stranded.  
 Mad Magazine News agency said several people were slimed and 20 watered in 
 the attack on the village... Mad also said Water Balloons fired from Guavan 
 villages into the Surf populated town of Gaga, just 6 miles south of 
 the Guava capital innundated two Smurf houses and one ant-house...Pillow 
 fights flared two weeks ago following the crash of a Smurf plane in Guava- 
 Land in which 40 T-Shirts were stained." (Reuters)
 Turkish Daily News (Also Known as "News, the way we like it", 2/12/92


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Water-gun Smurfs and Care-bears wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Baby Smurfs also should be Water-gunned as they 
                      need to take a bath as well.' 
                                     (Guava Lord - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.mideast
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Dirty tricks and (some) Turks
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.015459.1760@bnr.ca> azmak@bnr.ca (Okan Azmak) writes:
>I haven't followed the Armenian genocide and Muslim genocide claims and
>counter-claims in about two years, but during the year and a half prior
>to that it was easy to see that neither side is willing to change - or
>even question - their point of view.  Each side believes their resources
>are completely factual, while resources of the other side are for the most
>part doctored to fit their arguments.  ...

You fell for it too.

Because both sides believe they have the facts doesn't mean that both sides
really have equal amounts of facts.  That's how Mutlu wins: he can't convince
people he's _totally_ right, but he can convince people that lies and
propaganda should be put on an equal footing with the truth, convincing the
readers to put the victims and the victimized on the same level.

That's how this sort of propaganda works.

Turks genocided Armenians.  Armenians did not genocide Turks.  Mutlu wins by
getting the public to believe that both claims are of similar veracity.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: sachs@lhasa.berkeley.edu (Rainer Sachs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Fake?
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:18:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lhasa.berkeley.edu

Mutlu's posting policies are explicable if he is trying 
to stir up anger against Turks or discredit Turkish policy.
Not otherwise.  Any reason to believe that he actually 
has such a hidden agenda?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: cosar@CS.UMN.EDU (Ahmet Cosar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: testing
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:08:23 GMT


ucbvax server
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ziya Gokalp in English
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:38:58 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

To save Mark some effort, maybe... there are already anthologies of Ziya
Gokalp available in English.  One is:

>   Type of Material: Book
>     LC Call Number: DR432 .G59213 1959
>             Author: Gokalp, Ziya, 1876-1924.
>      Generic Title: Selected works. English
>              Title: Turkish nationalism and Western civilization; selected
>                     essays. Translated and edited with an introd. by Niyazi
>                     Berkes.
>   Publication Info: New York, Columbia University Press, 1959.
>  Phys. Description: 336 p. 23 cm.
>           Subjects: Nationalism--Turkey.

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