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From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Illinois Prairie St. Games- collegiate
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:26:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <BrsqM1.AKJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:
>Purdue  Kenny Williams

>.        Perhaps Boiler fans can clear this up.  Also, do they think he'll
>.        contribute, or is he Cornelius McNary's backup?

Oh no, we just went thru this ... 

If Williams is McNary's backup, Purdue is in serious trouble at the
center position next year (Glenn Robinson will play power forward as
far as I've heard).  Williams should provide some badly needed inside
muscle that Purdue missed last year [Riley had muscle but just didn't
have the temperment (ie. he wasn't mean enough) to be an inside force
in the Big Ten].  Williams/Robinson/Stanback/Brantley should provide a
pretty solid inside group for the Boilers the next two years.  McNary
should see some serious pine time ...

>.               Williams#1  20 (2-3s)/?/?
>.               Williams#2   4/?/?       one williams had 5 in the last
>.                                       game, the other didn't score.

I would guess Williams #2 is the one headed to Purdue.  He's not
supposed to be much of a scorer.

Carl
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Underhanded Freethrows (was Georgia Tech)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:25:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Jul21.195825.5354@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead) writes:
>
>OK. So far we have Scooter (Kansas), Jon and Drew (GT), and Brent (Oregon St.)
>How many more little Barry stinkers are we gonna have to put up with?
>Sounds like ol' Rick was accurate with more than just the basketball.

Sounds like Wilt has nothing on Rick.  Sure, he had the quantity, but
apparantly Rick had more potency, unless there are a lot of illegitimate
Chamberlains out there.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC Academics/Jucos
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:11:57 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <9207231530.AA02832@walt.disney>, chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:
>Bob McAdoo.  You've got to ask more challenging questions.

OK.  What UNC player was known as "The Blind Bomber"?

Robert Clough, DUMC
	DUKE FOOTBALL '92: "The horror, the horror!"
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: BAD News for Arkansas and UMass fans
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:26:38 GMT

In article <92204.073715KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Both of the Baltimore Dunbar High School superstars failed to score 700
>on the SAT's and will not be eligible to play next season.  Michael Lloyd,
>formerly headed for Arkansas, will probably enroll at San Jacinto Junior
>college in Texas.  Who knows if he will ever make it to Arkansas.  Donta
>Bright will be heading to UMass and will sit out this season.  He said that
>he made his decision and will live with the consequences.

This...this is just sad.  I live in Baltimore most of the year, and watch
these guys play, I mean why would I go to D.C. to watch the Bullets when
these guys are better?  But I never would have believed that both of them
would not make it to 700.  I hope Keith Booth is taking some notes on what
is happening.

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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject:  IU Recruiting - 1993
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


So far, IU has received committments from Robbie Eggers, a 6'10" 
C/F from Cuyahoga Falls, OH and Richard Mandeville, a 7'0" center
from LaCanada, CA both of which I had the pleasure to see at the
NIKE camp in early july.

There have been some changes in the rest of the recruiting priorities
since last spring however. Several kids that IU was looking at are no
longer being looked at (or vice-versa). IU is not recruiting 
Kiwane Gaddis, Randy Zachary, Kojak Fuller, or Damon Flint anymore.

The current list of recruits IU is looking at (or kids that have expressed
an interest in attending IU) are:

Sherron Wilkerson       6'4" Guard      Jeffersonville, IN
   #1 Shooting Guard at NIKE Camp. Top 40 player at NIKE

   Looks like a good bet for IU. This kid can flat out shoot the basketball
   In his final game at NIKE, he was making NBA 3 pointers with ease. 

   Considering IU, UK, Xavier, Ohio University

Randy Livingston        6'4" Guard      New Orleans, LA
   #1 player nationally as ranked by Bob Gibbons

   I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. I've never seen him on any of IU's 
   lists until now and I've never heard him mention IU either.

   Considering IU, UK, LSU, Duke, UNC, Michigan, Michigan State.

Chris Kingsbury         6'5" Guard      Hamiltion, OH
   Top 20 player at NIKE. Rated #20 player nationally by Bob Gibbons

   This kid was also runner-up in the 3-pt shooting contest. This kid is just
   tough. He's a very strong, physical player who has quickness and a nice
   shooting touch. This is one kid any school couldn't go wrong with. He's from
   the same town as Steve Eyl.

   IU is one of many schools Chris is considering. He's going to narrow down the
   list soon.

Jacque Vaughn           6'0" Guard      Pasadena, CA.
   Top 20 player at NIKE. #4 rated point guard by FutureStars.

   This kid is just flat out quick. He's also friends with Richard Mandeville and
   has a 4.0 GPA

   Considering IU, UK, Kansas, Georgetown. (I read in Bob Gibbons report though
   that he also is considering Michigan and they are actually the frontrunners
   right now)

Jeff Sheppard           6'4" Guard      Atlanta, GA
   #30 nationally by Bob Gibbons
   Boston Shootout Slam Dunk champion.

   This kid was very impressive. He loved to go inside and rebound (Can't play at
   IU then) and he could hit the jumpshot

   Considering IU, UK, Georgia Tech and Georgia.

IU's best bets are probably Wilkerson and/or Kingsbury. If Hart and Gilpin return
from prep school, then IU only has one more scholarship to offer. 

-- 

Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
Data General Corporation
62 T.W. Alexander Drive
RTP, NC. 27709                 Phone:    919-248-6327
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Corny McNary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.111929.27393@dg-rtp.dg.com>, foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com                      writes...
>In article <19104@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>|> 
>|> The "prime concern" I mentioned was bad wording.  And I apologise to
>|> Mike Von Foerster for not cutting him any slack.  How's this:  IU is
>|> going to be damned tough this year, and will probably finish second to
>|> UM in the Big-10 race.
> 
>Second!!! Ouch!!! That hurts worse. 
> 
>By the way, I was just kidding about the slack. I was really surprised by the
>response from the Purdue fans.
> 
>You really think Michigan is that good???. All the pressure, all the focus will 
>be on Michigan. Additionally, other than Northwestern, there's no apparent weak
>sisters in the Big Ten er, 11 this year. I'm not sure Michigan is ready to be 
>that consistent yet. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
> 
> 
>Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
>DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
>Data General Corporation
>62 T.W. Alexander Drive
>RTP, NC. 27709                 Phone:    919-248-6327

Michael, I take offense. As a Northwestern alumnus, the men's team would be 
very good this year if half of the team did not transfer after the 1989-90 
season. After all, Rex Walters of Kansas started out at NU amongst others. If 
they stayed, then the second division of the Big Ten would not have been 
impossible. Plus, I don't think Penn State's team shall do very well this year, 
either.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Big Ten Fanatic"
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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Big 11 Recruits - 1992
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:59:42 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <19143@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
|> In article  <Bs3snL.Gqz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
|> >>>6. Purdue             Justin Jennings   6'6"   Grand Rapids, MI
|> >>>                      Porter Roberts    6'3"   Chattanooga, TN
|> >>>                      Scott Colonna     6'1"   Staten Island, NY
|> >>>                      Glenn Robinson    6'9"   PROP 48
|> >
|> >--------------------->  KENNY WILLIAMS    6'9"   JUCO
|> 
|> This list is still not complete because the original posting claimed
|> to include all red-shirt freshmen.  Thus the Purdue list should
|> include:
|> 
|> 			 Herb Dove	   6'4"   REDSHIRT
|> 			 Todd Foster	   6'2"   REDSHIRT
|> 
|> Expect Herb Dove to play quite a bit this year, he supposedly is a
|> quite an athlete (as well as a great student) and a better defensive
|> player the Cuonzo Martin.  Todd Foster looks like another slow jump
|> shooter.
|> 
|> Also expect Colonna and possibly Jennings (or else possibly Brandon
|> Brantley) to redshirt this year.
|> 
|> Carl

Sorry to the OSU and Purdue fans who had so many players omitted from the
list. I found this list in my "Inside Indiana" mag that I subscribe too and
they reprinted it from FutureStars Magazine. I double checked these lists 
in my IU mag and the individuals mentioned were never included.  

Maybe it's just a natural reaction for an IU mag to screw up a Purdue or
OSU roster!!!!!!! :)
-- 

Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
Data General Corporation
62 T.W. Alexander Drive
RTP, NC. 27709                 Phone:    919-248-6327
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Georgia Tech
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:38:05 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <3969@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>A look at Georgia Tech, 1992-1993
>
>TRIVIA QUESTION: Who is Georgia Tech's all time assist leader, with 659?
>Robert Clough, DUMC


I'm gonna go with Mark Price.

						    Rick Milleman

    "We fear change."-Garth Algar
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BAD News for Arkansas and UMass fans
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:50:43 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <92204.073715KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>   Both of the Baltimore Dunbar High School superstars failed to score 700
>on the SAT's and will not be eligible to play next season.  Michael Lloyd,
>formerly headed for Arkansas, will probably enroll at San Jacinto Junior
>college in Texas.  Who knows if he will ever make it to Arkansas.  Donta
>Bright will be heading to UMass and will sit out this season.  He said that
>he made his decision and will live with the consequences.



Maybe it's just me, but isn't UMass a good school?Could anybody who couldn't get
a 700 on the SAT actually make it (academically) at a school of UMass's quality
or is UMass trying to compete and forget that it is an institution of higher
learning? I can understand a SAT/ACT failure to go to Arkansas and pass all of
his classes (probably with a 4.0), but I thought higher of UMass, until now.

                                                        Rick Milleman

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From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: BAD News for Arkansas and UMass fans
    <1992Jul24.85204.24929@ms.uky.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:33:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul24.85204.24929@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>In article <92204.073715KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>   Both of the Baltimore Dunbar High School superstars failed to score 700
>>on the SAT's and will not be eligible to play next season. 
>>[ ... ]
>>Donta 
>>Bright will be heading to UMass and will sit out this season.  He said that
>>he made his decision and will live with the consequences.
>
>Bright's reaction to his SAT problem has been impressive.  I've seen dozens
>of "blue chip" signees bolt for a junior college after failing to meet the
>NCAA's requirements; I'm glad to see one of the 'young guns' sticking by his
>decisions and accepting equal responsibility for both success and failure.


what is he really losing?  time?  he still get 4 years of playing
if he wants them right?  and a year head start on studying?  he
still gets to practice with the team?  
-- 
aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Spot the flaw
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:14:47 GMT

> Example 2
> 
> Assuming there is not a fundamental difference in the ability to shoot
> a basketball based on ones height(ie. shooting abilitly is not related
> to height), we take the average freethrow percentage for guards and
> centers and discover that centers shoot freethrows worse than guards
> (or tall players shoot freethrows worse than shorter players).
> 
> Hypothesis: The free throw is biased against taller players and is designed
> in such a way that its unfair to centers.
> 
> Now tell me whats the difference in the 2 example, one of which is
> considered to be true, the other which sounds pretty silly.

In a futile attempt to actually relate this to basketball, the hypothesis 
is clearly flawed because it does not rule out other, more sensible 
hypotheses, such as:

1) The St**rt Gr*y factor:  Most centers are actually quite good free
throw shooters, but every once in awhile you get a real stiff (in some
Western conference which shall go nameless) whose is there merely to
occupy a lot of space in the lane.  The poor free throw percentage of 
these centers (who have trouble even with layups) dramatically skews the 
overall percentage.  Really slow, stiff guards never make it into college
(except at Stanford and Cal).  Maybe we should call this the M*k* L*n**r
factor, or maybe the M*rk E*ton factor, or gosh, even the J*ck H*l*y
fator.
 
2) The Bobby Knight factor:   Here's a little joke to play on a Bobby Knight.
If you're a center, when you get the ball down low, dribble out and jack 
it up from the foul line or beyond.  It's a great way to get a coach 
to go pyrotechnic, although with Bobby that's no real feat.  Let's face it, 
tall guys shoot from in close.  It's psychologically devasting for 
them to move out to free throw line and shoot from there.  Short guys 
live out there in Death Valley somewhere beyond the three point 
line.  It's fun for them to shoot a free throw cause it's soooo close 
and they're no big guys trying to cram the ball down their esophagus.

3) You forgot to run a control experiment where all this was related
to foot size.

> Russ Smith

Dedicated to the pursuit of pure science,

  Curtis Dyreson
From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Carolina/Academic Hardships
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:53:57 GMT


>I was amused to see that North Carolina only alows one academic hardship per
>year? Is this due to a lack of test takers or what?


Glad to find you're so easily amused.

Let me spell this out so everyone (including our hyper-intelligent Big
Ten bretheren) can understand.


Carolina tries to take on only one student (in basketball, football is
a whole other story) who might have a hard time succeeding academically
in a collegiate setting.  UNC as a school tries to limit the number of
"academic exemptions" that the athletic programs can use during one year,
and those numbers are dropping.

This policy serves two purposes.  First, the player can be helped to become a
student, so that the first semester isn't an academic disaster.  Second,
players don't flunk out and make Dean look bad.


Dean takes great pride in getting students graduated and making sure they're
successful after graduation, whether they play basketball or enter the
workforce.  He's done an excellent job of that over the years.  (We'll leave
Doug Moe out of this discussion, thank you.)


I think it's pretty obvious that this is a much better approach to take
than some other coaches use (Valvano being the most obvious, but not only,
example).


The ACC as a whole has changed its rules over the decade to help this matter,
too.  Schools have not been able to give Prop 48 players a scholarship for
several years.




Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org


PS  Chill, you State fans.  Valvano wasn't Satan, but it's pretty obvious
he recruited more than a few kids who didn't belong (academically) at State.
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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Corny McNary
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 11:19:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <19104@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
|> 
|> To be clear:  I certainly wasn't advocating that Keady dump McNary.  I
|> agree with Randy that a scholarship is a contract between the coach
|> and the player.  If the player becomes a superstar and leads your team
|> to a national championship, great!  If he's a dud, like McNary, you
|> try to work with him.  In either case, he deserves his shot at getting
|> an education.
|> 
|> I am simply crying over spilled milk.  If McNary weren't on the team,
|> we'd have another scholarship, and might have been able to land
|> another recruit.

Big men always tend to come around slower. Down here, they were ready to
pitch Montross last year and then towards the end of the year, he started
to come around and he gets one hell of a lot more PT than McNary does. 
I really think this year will be McNary's year. Purdue has never relied on 
big time recruits anyway. Hell, look at Craig Riley. Gene just always
put together a damn tough team. 

|> 
|> The "prime concern" I mentioned was bad wording.  And I apologise to
|> Mike Von Foerster for not cutting him any slack.  How's this:  IU is
|> going to be damned tough this year, and will probably finish second to
|> UM in the Big-10 race.

Second!!! Ouch!!! That hurts worse. 

By the way, I was just kidding about the slack. I was really surprised by the
response from the Purdue fans.

You really think Michigan is that good???. All the pressure, all the focus will 
be on Michigan. Additionally, other than Northwestern, there's no apparent weak
sisters in the Big Ten er, 11 this year. I'm not sure Michigan is ready to be 
that consistent yet. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

|> 
|> sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
|>       It's a wise dog that scratches its own fleas. (William Strunk, Jr.)
|> 
|>                Help stamp out variable length protocol headers!

-- 

Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
Data General Corporation
62 T.W. Alexander Drive
RTP, NC. 27709                 Phone:    919-248-6327
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From: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
Subject: Illini Tour Baltic States
Reply-To: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:12:55 GMT

The Illini toured the Baltic States this summer and finished
5-5 playing teams such as Lithuania, Laftia, and others.  
They lost 96-75 to the olympic Lithuanian team.

Henson had high praise for sophomore Mark Davidson (sp?) and also
Robert Bennett who were voted MVP's of the tour.




*      *            *****      |      David W. Sleight
*      *                 *          |      U. of Illinois '91
*      *     of         *          |      Aero/Astro Engineering
  ***              *****     |

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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: (ASU stuff)
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:25:49 GMT

gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>  I have yet to see any mention of Faulkner's troubles at ASU. As you might 
> remember, he was given probation and community service in exchange for a
> guilty plea to charges last year. Well, it seems that Bill Freider informed
> the court that Faulkner had not performed any of the community service and
> thus had violated his probation. I doubt he'll be back with ol Bill this
> season..... anyone in ASU-land have more details on this?? 

     Last I heard he'd pleaded guilty to violating
his probation and had gone ahead and done about
half of the community service.  I believe he's
at the mercy of the court at this point, which
has yet to decide whether or not to revoke the
probation.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
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