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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:35:52 GMT

Gerald Vignes replied,

        But Washington also privately agreed with his contemporary
        George Washington Carver that African Americans must,
        more importantly, achieve political power
        through favorable legislation and the ballot.
        Only then would African Americans be assured
        that the fruits of their labor would not be denied them.

Makes some kind of sense.  The problem is, why should we just focus
on activism in one era, and economics in another?
.
I think we are wasting time here.  Why can't we seriously do both?
Didn't El Hajj Malik say, "By any means necessary?"
.
George Clinton also said, "Free your mind, and your ass will
follow."  Let's free our one-track minds and get on it, shall we?
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From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Black Progress
Summary: Black Progress
Keywords: Black Progress
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: global
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:15:51 GMT




Hey everyone, it's me! I am sure that you are all glad to hear from
me, so I won't waste any time getting down to todays posting business!

:)

Here is some good news, in my opinion:


A Black man will head Charlotte (N.C.)  's  Convention and Visitors
Bureau. A Black man soon will represent N.C. in Congress. The Governor
of Virginia, head of the College Board, president of the Ford 
Foundation, basketball coach at the University of Mississippi, chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - all are Black.


Two thirds of black Americans are solidly middle class.


America has the best record of legal protection for minorities of all
societies, white, or black... and offers more opportunities to a greater
number of Black persons than any other society, including ALL of AFRICA!



So quit knocking Uncle Sam, o.k.? American offers the best in 
opportunities for Black people as the world is today. Sure, there
are many problems here, but I would be devastated if every Black
person jumped on a big boat and left (went where?). I would lose
alot of good friends. (But maybe not from this newsgroup).


Oh, and by the way, be sure and read my other excellent post!!
BYYYE BYYE :)






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From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: New Generations of Conservatism-WLefare Myths
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:57:27 GMT

johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.181338.13048@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp  
>(Michael Friedman) writes:
>> >Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas) using drugs and on  
>welfare.
>> 
>> Where do the assumptions about race come in?  This si the first I've
>> heard of them.
>> 
>     Read Fred's original posting (<92208.014141FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>), in  
>particular the sentence: "This same representative [Robert Flick  
>R-Chester] feels that projects and other low income areas are where the  
>drug problems are, and this bill will help clean up the problem." I  
>imagine that the vast majority of housing projects are in urban, not  
>rural, Pennsylvania (just like they are here in Wisconsin). As for "race",   
>it's pretty clear to me that Fred's statement "The bill's advocates are  
>assuming that Blacks and Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas)  
>using drugs and on welfare" implies that many of the residents of urban  
>Pennsylvania housing projects are black or Puerto Rican.

Ok, assuming that I buy the argument for rural vs. urban, I still don't
see a mention of race.

So the urban areas have more blacks and puerto ricans, that was neither
stated nor implied by his origianal post.  

I still don't get his editorial comments.  His original post doesn't 
support his arguments.

Chris Carey
--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.

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From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: New generation of Conservatism-Welfare Myths
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:51:52 GMT

FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>FLick who hasn't estimated how much it would cost to drug test clients, said
>the proposal doesn't aim to cut cost. He said it would allow the state to
>"reach out" to drug abusers on the welfare rolls.

>Under the bill, recipients testing positive for drugs would keep their benefits
>by enrolling in a rehab program. They would be tested again every 3 months for
>a year as long they qualify for benefits.

>The measure would allow county welfare offices to investigate drug-positive re-
>cipients and take abused children into protective custody.

A good idea, but you'll get some people who'll bitch about stealing kids from
the parents.  

>The only state that recently considered such a proposal was Mississippi, which
>rejected the bill.... No state [in the country] has such a law [at this point].
>...

And that's a damn shame.
What are the objections to cutting off aid to someone who has a drug problem
and wont do anything to help it??
I'm curious.

>The legislation is companion to welfare reform package pushed by House Republi-
>cans that would limit benefits to children born into welfare, families w/ tru-
>ant children, and newcomers to the state. The package also would eliminate
>medical assistance benefits not mandated by the federal gov't.

Those all sound like good ideas to me.
Except perhaps the medical assistance part.
Would it limit benefits to children, or would it limit the number of
children.  The latter is a good idea, the former I'm not so sure of.

Chris Carey
--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.

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From: v30004@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Abeselom T Maasho 3460-457-801.)
Subject: The movie - DEEP COVER
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:20:42 GMT

I saw the movie "Deep Cover", and I really don't understand what's the
message.  For example, the undercover cop all along was saying he does
not drink or smoke, and then after a while he did (attitude was like
kind of what the hell ).  Upto that point I thought movie was ok, then I
did not get it.  Anyone care to explain?

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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.065040.23059@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.201641.15147@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.163342.3870@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu
>>(william carter franklin) writes:
>>
>>>And by the way, YOU are the name caller ..."blatent moron" I believe 
>>>is what you said.  How ugly.  And just because someone does not agree 
>>>with your backwards, narrow minded BIGOTED viewpoints.  By the way..  
>>>BLATANT is spelled B_L_A_T_A_N_T with another A.  Get an education.  
>>>THEN we will talk. 
>>
>>For those of you keepng score, Mr. Franklin is the 16th white liberal,
>>Asian, or otherwise disaffected American on s.c.a.a. in 1992 to pee his
>>pants over someone's spelling.
>>
>>Apparently patriotism is the *second-to-last* refuge of a scoundrel.
>
>I'm rollin'.......................
>
>Yeeeaaah, boyyeeee! I'm out, Mc
>

And also don't forget to count number of half size brains who cannot
finish a post without choice f and motherf words and those who go
along.
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From: dale@dale.CAM.ORG (Dale Wharton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Clinton REAL supporters
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:17:37 GMT
Organization: private

Apropos <1992Jul27.211837.9434@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com:

BCCI, too, may back BC.

Last April 21 the subject of the PBS news documentary Frontline was
"The Bank of Crooks and Criminals."  It showed the candidate in a
group shot with a multimillionaire banker from Little Rock AR,
Mr Jackson Stephens.  Frontline quoted a report that Stephens, who
is "a major financial backer of Bill Clinton...has long-standing
ties with BCCI."

Jackson Stephens's name turns up again on page 51 of the current
issue (number 41) of Covert Action Information Bulletin.  It says
Stephens contributed $100K to the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980
and another $100K to the Bush dinner committee in 1990.
--
dale@dale.cam.org         M O N T R E A L         Te souviens-tu?
From: mfckenya@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mary Kenyatta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Daughters of the Dust
Keywords: Women, Film
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:01:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I cannot remember when I've seen such a beautiful film, with such 
beautiful black women.  Some of them looked like me and some looked like 
women in my family.  It is not often that a film lingers on the faces of 
black women.

I'm anxious to see it again.  Perhaps, then I can be a bit more 
analytical.

Mary K.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:38:14 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Generations of Conservatism-WLefare Myths

And now for editorials comments.

This bill is screwed up in the very least. I will try to keep my eye this one.
There are 2 state representatives which are in my area. I'm sure going to
voice my disapproval of this bill to them. Here are some of my reasons:


One, it appears to be in violation of basic constitutional rights, as if that
would mean anything anyway. The bill's advocates are assuming that Blacks and
Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas) using drugs and on welfare.

Sometime ago, I argued on the thread "Welfare Myths" that Blacks and Puerto
Ricans are not the only ppl on welfare. If Pa is indicative of the rest of
the nation, there are a few metropolitan areas where this might be the case,
but the rest of Pa is rural and farm land w/ a lot of small towns scattered
thruout the state. The population of most the rural areas and small towns is
largely white. And if total numbers across my state were collected, I doubt
that Black and Puerto Rican welfare would be in the majority. I live in such
an area right now. Many white families are drawing public assistance, even
before the economy was bad.

Two, the bill assumes, again that the Metropolitan areas (Philadelphia, Pitts-
burgh, etc) are where all the drug problems are. This, too, is wrong because
drugs are flowing freely across the state and the routes are thru many of the
small towns in Pa. There was a news article of a small town in Georgia ( I
forgot the name) which is experiencing a rise in crime rate as a result of
incresed drug traffic flowing thru the town. The same thing holds in this
state.

Three, the cost. The author admitted there was no study done on the cost of
rehab and conducting the drug tests. Right now, Pa is in somewhat of a fiscal
crisis. Philadelphia almost went bankrupt and the city is having problems
meeting its yearly budget. Since the state has tightened its purse strings, I
have no idea where the money is going to come from to cover the cost of these
drug test. I'm not sure if the author thought the bill would save money over
all. It doesn't look like it will.

I could go on and on, but I'm won't bore anyone else anymore. I called this
New Generation of Conservatism because in their desire to make welfare reform
across the country, politicians may tend to pass more stupid legislation as
in Pa pending bill. And they are using stereotypical reasons for doing this.
I wonder how much money most states can save if the voters would reform their
politicians- if it will happen at all.

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From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Andrews Execution and Racial Context
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:07:26 GMT
Organization: Utah State University


   There has been excellent discussion of the William Andrews case.
See the thread "Re: The Scheduled Execution of William Andrews."
I would like to place these discussions in the context of the Utahn
society. In the south where I am from many people openly discriminate
against people of color. Most of us are aware of these facts.
But in Utah, where I now live, the discrimination against people of
color is subtle. The LDS (Latter Day Saints = Mormons) 
church started allowing black stake-leaders
(roughly equivalent to a priest) in the 1970's. Very few stake-leaders
are black. The proportion of black stake-leaders to total number of
stake leaders is smaller than the number of black LDS members to the
total number of LDS church members. This suggests that it there could
be some discrimination against blacks in attaining stake-leader status.
   To my knowledge there is no person of color, or woman, among
the President or the Council of Twelve (the top 13 leaders in the church).
Also I do not believe there are any people of color among the next
heirarchical level in the church consisting of 144 people (I cannot
remember the name of this group).
   The state congress is principally composed of LDS members (80%
of the Utah State Congress is LDS I believe). Thus many laws, and
people appointed to the bench pass scrutiny and voting of a principally LDS
congress.
   Therefore it is possible (and happens to be the case) that many
judges, and the Utah parole board, are composed principally (> 90%)
of caucasians LDS church members. Given that there is some indirect
evidence that the LDS church discriminates against people of color
it does not take a great leap of imagination to believe that the
judge might give the death sentence to a black man before a white
man.
   In my personal life I know that blacks are discriminated against
subtly in this culture. Economic suppression is the most common
form. However white people often view black people with "suspicion"
just because they are there. This is not supposition I have seen
it routinely living here surrounded by a homogenous mix of "beautiful,
white" people.
   So those of you that are unwilling to believe that there are racial
undertones to these legal decisions, e.g. Michael Friedman, stop a
minute and listen. On the TV here anyday of the week you can see
white DA's asking for the death of William Andrews charging that
there is no discrimination. Their reason a black man in the case was
exonerated. However, the NAACP and Amnesty International are both
taking action to stay the execution. Why? Because they believe
there may be racial reasons for the death sentence.

Peace, but not without justice,
Zip
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:8330 sci.lang:6130
From: JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,sci.lang
Subject: Re: German dialect spelling (Was: Re Black bilingulism)
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:21:59 GMT
    <1992Jul27.143815.2890@memstvx1.memst.edu>
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <1992Jul27.143815.2890@memstvx1.memst.edu>
connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
 
>
>But Swiss German is overwhelmingly called by its dialect name, which is
>Schwyzerdu"tsch (or -du"u"tsch, or -tu"tsch, or -tu"u"tsch).  The standard
>German equivalent would be Schweizerdeutsch; either may also be spelled as
>two words, Schwyzer Du"tsch or Schweizer Deutsch.  So yes, in the name of
>this dialect, deutsch is indeed spelled du"tsch (which I wrote duetsch)
>because it's pronounced with an umlaut u, not [oi] (written eu).
>
>--Leo Connolly
 
Niene geht so scho"n u lusti wie daheim (that's pronounced "hame" laddie)
in Schwyzer Lant.
 
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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Jerome Brown (Wuz: Re: Sir Charles)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:53:52 GMT

stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:

>My favorite Sir Charles quote occured a few years ago when someone axed
>why the Sixers wasnt making the playoffs that year:

>	"Bad team, man...we got a bad f***** team."

After writing this, I was reminded that Sir Charles pales in comparison
to his master, the Prophet of African American Jock Zeitgeist...
the late Jerome Brown.

Before the 1987 Rose Bowl, Jerome delivered the Twin Towers of
Black Sports Wisdom.

First, he signified the manifest destiny of the African American people:

	"We didnt come here...to ack monkeys for everybody."

Then, he illuminated the ancient mystery of Man + Woman:

	"Did the Japanese...have dinner with Pearl Harbor...
	 before they bombed her?"

Via con Dios, Jerome.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:25:39 GMT

In article <92206.075144KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>,
<KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
> I am tired of people saying that just because Jesse doesn't get
what he >wants, then Clinton is dissing the whole Black population.
I, as a Black >person, do not blindly follow the rantings of the
"great" Jesse Jackson.  I >believe more in Black politicians who
actually hold office, and not shadow >offices.  I believe in people
like John Lewis in Georgia (who Jesse is dissing >even though he and
John go back to the 60's, Jesse has been campaigning for his
>opponent), Kurt Schmoke (mayor of Baltimore), Michael Espy and
others.  These >people had prominent roles in the Clinton campaign
and Schmoke spoke in prime >time on the Tuesday of the convention
(as did Mayor Kelly of DC).  Jesse >is not the only voice for the
Black population, and we have to realize that >so the white press
will stop equating Jesse Jackson = "THE Black view".
.
.
Let's face it.  The era of the single spokesperson for
Afro-Americans has ended.  In fact, there never has been "one"
leader of black folks, except of course, Martin and Malcolm and even
then, they were kept from working in tandem...
.
Jesse has been doing some major dissing of other, younger black
leaders because he is basically one ego-driven brother.  He has been
unable to deliver the goods, so this is why the buzzards (so to
speak) are circling.
.
I just wonder, though, how this is grabbing for spoils or just being
pragmatic...time will tell.
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From: v30004@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Abeselom T Maasho 3460-457-801.)
Subject: Islam
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:35:07 GMT

I am a student from East Africa, and I recently read the autobiography
about Malcom X.  I believe he is one of the greatest man.  The only
thing I do not really agree with is that the portrayal of the islam
religion as a solution to racisim.  I know that a Muslim who is black or
yellow is not really seen as a Muslim by the Arab people.  They are seen
more as 2nd class Muslims.  Am I correct in this assumption ?


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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: The Death of the Political Left (Marxist-Leninist warfare)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:15:30 GMT

In article <143nehINN6d3@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
<
<Let me try to condense Marxist-Leninist revolutionary doctrine. 

The only things that are "condensing" here are the water droplets on your
cold skull.

<Basically political minorities are to be used by the left as fuel 
<for igniting revolutionary civil wars, then supressed once the left 
<has gained political power.

Please tell me where "Marxist-Leninist revolutionary doctrine" says anything
about suppression (note spelling) of "political minorities".  One or two
citations from Marx and Lenin will suffice.

<Democracy is a state which subordinates the minority to the 
<majority.

Quite true--if by "[d]emocracy" you mean bourgeois "democracy".

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shi4 shang4 wu2 nan2 shi4, zhi3 yao4 ken3 deng1 pan1.  --Mao2 Zhu3xi2
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From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: NYT OpEd: Black Demagogues and Pseudo-Scholars
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:02:50 GMT


> ...he called the "Jewish educational Mafia." And while Dr. Leonard Jef-
> fries's views on supposed Jewish complicity in the subjection of blacks
> captured headlines, his intellectual cohorts such as Conrad Muhammad
> and Khallid Muhammad address community gatherings and college
> students ...

Just curious: I recall an outspoken student organizer Conrad Tillard
from U.Penn. in Philly, ca. 1986.  Did he later adopt the name Conrad
Muhammad or is this a different person?

R

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:45:00 GMT

In article <151im9INNmgv@agate.berkeley.edu>,
ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>
>FWIW, I read about Oakland's reputation as being >among the best in
the state for the professionalism of its training.  >And they have
started bike cop beat patrols.  > >When driving around the East Bay,
I always feel more comfortable near >an Oakland cop car than near a
Berkeley.  And forget about all white >Piedmont.
.
.
.
Excuse me.  Really, excuuuuuuuuuuuse me.  I'd like to think some
cops are redeemable and are watching their Ps and Qs, but you forget
about Santa Rita, Oaktown's finest hellhole.  I do think most of
them still eat raw meat and get pumped up on testosterone and beat
up on folks.  Just because they are relatively quiet (that is,
mostly out of the news) don't mean they are ranking innocents.
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