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From: kunze@ducvax.auburn.edu
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Subject: O'BRIEN IS TWINS!!! [THE REAL ANSWER]  ;-)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:02:31 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

This is probably the only solution to the dichotomy of O'Brien's:

O'Brien #1 is a CPO married to Keiko with daughter Molly.  He has *always*
been an enlisted man.  We really never saw him until the episode
"Family" when Sergey addresses him.  He's a comedian and often
wears his brother's uniform pips.  Kind of the Prince and the
Pauper thing.  He's not the transporter head, that's his brother.
This O'Brien (Miles Edward) is the favorite of coproducer Ronald
Moore, who is the source of the dichotomy anyway.
This O'Brien is the one going to DS9, and the one Scott has so
*eloquently* argued for.

O'Brien #2 is a Lieutenant.  He's been with the Enterprise since
before E@F.  He's served on the bridge many times, and was promoted
from Ltjg to Lt in the first season.  He's the head of Transporters,
but his brother is almost as capable.  This was the O'Brien seen
before "Family" and was a Lt, just like Eric Stillwell used to indicate,
and of course Eric has had to change his tune since Ron Moore is more
TPTBier than Eric is.  This O'Brien has faded into the woodwork, but
notices his brother is oft stealing his pips.  This O'Brien (Edward
Miles) is *not* going over to DS9.  

So there you have it, Dave's The O'Brien Twins Solution (TM).
Now if I'd only thought of that one a couple years ago when I was
writing my shopping lists, gee, I could be a co-producer too!

Identical O'Briens....
It's as simple as can be...
They look alike, they walk alike...
All times they even talk alike...

They're O'Briens....
With different ranks....

[guess what theme song to use :-)]
Dave.
:-)
From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: PAD's dire nudity predictions come true
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:40:02 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

Didn't PAD say something to the effect of:

"...I find it unlikely that the writers will see dropping ratings
and say, 'OK, off with Troi's clothes'..."

(sorry for misquoting you, Peter)

Well, it seems you were wrong, after seeing "Man Of The People"...

							Thor Iverson

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.181814.1683@wixer.cactus.org> raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz) writes:
>  In fact, how would you address Lt. Worf?  He's _Chief_ of Security.
>  Ditto for Lt. Cmdr. Data.. Chief of Operations.  Are they all ENLISTED?!

"Chief Data, to the bridge".
"Captain to Chief Worf".

how many times have you heard anything like that?  If O'Brien is called
"Chief" just because he's a department head, then why aren't Data, Worf,
LaForge, etc. called "Chief"?

>I realize that this is not going to change people's minds, but I'll
>take Roddenbury's interpretation over some NAMELESS writer that is
>throwing a temper tantrum just because he/she/it can't get his/her/its
>way.

I haven't seen anyone throwing a temper tantrum over this...and
"Roddenberry's interpretation" falls to pieces when you examine the
numerous references to enlisted men in TOS, TNG and the movies.

>AND NOTHING IS GOING TO MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND!!!

That much is obvious.  Some people are just unwilling to listen to
anything that might disturb their precious beliefs.  Most people here
at least have an open mind (i switched sides on this issue myself...),
but there are always those who would still call him Lieutenant if he
walked across the bridge wearing nothing but a "Proud to be an ENLISTED
MAN" t-shirt.

>it's getting very damned annoying when half the damn messages are
>about this very stupid subject.

/o'brien's rank/h:=:j      
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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Relics (no spoilers)
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.160337.21103@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>In <1992Oct12.074026.9746@wam.umd.edu> mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:
>
>>Satellite..???  How in the hell are you seeing a newepisode almost
>>a week before anyone else??  I want it!!
>
>Paramount uplinks the episodes at 6pm Eastern time every Saturday.  Your
>local TV station tapes it but isn't allowed to show it until Monday, though
>many stations schedule it on the weekend, so you have to wait about a week
>after the uplink to actually see it.
>

Actually in Dallas we get it Sunday night.  The day after the uplink.
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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Enterprise time travel?
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:33:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1b57l8INN4oq@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes...

[Stuff about why the Big E doesn't do the time travel thing]
> 
>	I wondered this for a time, too.  I think the biggest reasons are
>(1) that the Federation has an unwarrented fear of time travel,
>(2) the drive and propulsion systems on the E-D are fundamentally different
>    from those used seventy years earlier (more environmentally correct? :),
>(3) they'd be time-traveling every week.
> 
>	Number 1 is probably the most likely reason - the idea that time is
>incredibly fragile and can be mauled with the slightest touch seems to pervade
>sf today.  Number 2 would be the most absolute (and before anyone mentions the
>Guardian of Forever, we don't know if that's still around or accessable; before
>anyone mentions the dozen or so novels it's been used in, let's remember that
>Bermen and Piller can contradict those at their pleasure) reason, and number 3
>is probably the best reason backstage - although this would make a good thing
>for the Enterprise-G (or so) to do ten or twelve years from now.
> 
>						-Jay
I personally perscribe to the "since there are families aboard, it wouldn't be
fair or prudent to do it" reason.  If you remember from ST4:TVH, the crew
blacked out with some weird hallucinations when they went back.  Think of the
effect this could have on children and spouses(male or female) who are not
prepared for such experiences.  I think other Starfleet vessels could do it
though.

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Oh, how I am confused!
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New Record!!!!
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:50:41 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct17.024848.18530@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>Wow! I read the latest posts, quit, rescanned, and of the
>28 new posts in r.a.s.c. 20 were from bernie wong! That's
>what I call prolific writing!

He probably has a once-a-day UUCP feed or something, so that he posts, and
the articles are stored at his system until it connects to its contact
on the Internet, at which point all 20 articles are propagated to other
sites at roughly the same time.

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From: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com (Robert Whitehead)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Reply-To: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Vulcan Science Academy Foreign Student Union
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:34:33 GMT

In article <67315@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

|> But somehow I can't see them saying, "It's sweeps month; quick, get Troi's
|> clothes off."

Not to say it wouldn't be appreciated...... ;-)
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From: lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:46:36 GMT
Reply-To: lpeters@marge.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

Incorrect. Lt Cmdr Shelbe was selected as First Officer, over
Worf and Data.
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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Keywords: How
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:37:34 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Oct7.205149.8722@msdhsv.ingr.com> bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com writes:
>> 
>> I just saw a re-run of "Elementary, Dear Data" last night and I have a stupid
>> question.  Isn't there some way they could use a plot complication like
>> downloading Proffessor Morriarity's holodeck program into a android body
>> built to his own likeness?  Data could build the body and then just download
>> Morriarity into his new form.  Anyone have a justifiable answer why it can't
>> be done?
>
>Yes.  The Burroughs (as in Edgar Rice) estate will not permit it.
>-- 

Well, the stinginess of Burroughs estate explains why we've never 
seen Tarzan on STTNG (although it would be fun to have Worf walk up
to Troi and growl, "Me Tarzan - You Jane", and switching the chimp for
Alexander would be an improvement) but I think it's Sir Arthur 
Conan Doyle's estate which holds sway over the Prof. Moriarty character.

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From: janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian)
Subject: Re: ""Trek"" history made in ""Realm of Fear"" (**SPOILERS**)
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:13:03 GMT

In article <10OCT92.00090591@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>-- 
>Yeah, I was pretty happy about the reverse transporter effect!  The first 
>serious info I heard about TNG was at BosKone in February '86.  David Gerrold 
>was the speaker (he wrote Trouble with Tribbles and had some to-do in creating 
>TNG).  He said they planned on showing this reverse transporter effect, and 
>I've been waiting six years for it!  
>
>I'm not sure if they did it technically correct, but it was still cool.
>
I actually got a "chill" watching the transporter effect and realizing what
it means is happening to you. I truly believe that I would be like Pulaski -
I would *hate* transporting. Heck, I had a hard time when they gave me
anesthesia (sp?) in the hospital. The effect was much the same. Your vision
begins to fade, even with your eyes open. When you next become "aware"
you are in a different place with different people in front of you. The
transporter effect definitely gave me the creeps.

Janet
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: New Record!!!!
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:48:48 GMT

Wow! I read the latest posts, quit, rescanned, and of the
28 new posts in r.a.s.c. 20 were from bernie wong! That's
what I call prolific writing!

-- Tim
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE F
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

TO:crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu

CRD>>Who else had their pips messed up *this* season?  I think the pips for almo
CRD>>all the characters have been screwed up from time to time since the very
CRD>>beginning of the show.  For instance, I haven't seen good explanations of:
CRD>>
CRD>>1. Troi's rank (the one un'pip'ped officer!).
CRD>>2. Lt. J.G. Worf's promotion to Lt.
CRD>>3. Lt. J.G. La Forge's promotion to Lt. Cmdr.
CRD>>4. Wesley Crusher's demotion to Cadet.

CRD>Remember, though, that Picard only authorized him to act as an Acting Endign
CRD> not a fully commissioned one (he never did wear Starfleet red until he was
CRD> actually at the Academy; besides, Starfleet Acadamy graduates are given the
CRD>rank of sub-Ensign, I believe, and you can you have a real rank when you hav
CRD> been to school for it?)

Wesley wore "Starfleet red" in a number of episodes.  He was promoted in
the late third season with "Menage A Troi", and wore red in every episode
he appeared in following that, until he was sent to the Academy in "Final
Mission".

His "demotion" is easily explained, however: His promotion to Ensign by
Picard was actually merely a field promotion, like Riker's promotion to
Captain in "The Best of Both Worlds".  It was understood that Wesley would
only have the rank of Ensign until he entered the Academy (or otherwise
left the service of the Enterprise).

There is no actual rank called "sub-ensign" or "ensign (junior grade)",
contrary to what some people think.

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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Riker-Troi
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:02:10 GMT

SUBRAMANIAM (ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote:
: I started watching TNG only a year ago.  Therefore I don't know what was
: going on between Riker and Troi.  I think they were seeing each other during
: the early seasons.  How did their relationship end?  Can anyone tell me the
: exact episode in which they broke up.

They were broken up before the series started.  In the pilot, it was
evident that they had a relationship and had to break up because one of
them was leaving (bet it was Riker).  Although they were very warm to
each other in the future episodes, and possibly had some sort of physical
relationship at one time or another, I don't recall seeing anything more
than a very deep friendship.

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:24:15 GMT

johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
:)In article <Bw2uH2.7xz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
:)>johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
:)>:)	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
:)>:)take this newsgroup BACK! Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
:)>:)purpose in life is to tear down the work of others. TNG is among the
:)>:)top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
:)>:)all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.
:)>You never saw the episode with Troi's mom and Alexander, did you?  :)

:)	I'm getting FLAMED! I guess I deserve it after a post like that.

Even though I disagree with your review of Atsushi, that wasn't a flame.
It was a joke...   :)

On a side note, why is it whenever I start posting after a long lapse, 
everyone takes my jokes too seriously?  :)

:)Thus, we get 200-message long flame threads over why didn't the writers
:)show us how they got their clothes at the start of TAII. Then Atsushi starts
:)flaming: "This show sucks because they didn't tell us how they got their
:)clothes." I mean, come on. *Maybe* they thought we were smart enough to figure
:)it out on our own, and it wasn't crucial to the dramatic thread of the
:)story.

Actually, that was one of the things that bothered me the most about that
episode.  :)

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:43:42 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <8525@orbit.cts.com> chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson) writes:
<
<                        STAR TREK:  THE NEXT GENERATION
<                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
<                                 October 1992
<
<Dates indicate the day of satellite uplink, 'PC' denotes Paramount Code, and
<'R' denotes Repeat.  Stardates will be added when known.
<
<Ep    Date      PC   Stardate     Title
<----  --------  ---  -----------  -----------------------------------------
<127.  09/19/92  227  46001.3      Time's Arrow II
<128.  09/26/92  228  46041.1      Realm of Fear
<129.  10/03/92  229  46071.6      Man of the People
<130.  10/10/92  230               Relics
<131.  10/17/92  231               Schisms
<132.  10/24/92  232               Q-Me
<133.  10/31/92  233               Rascals
<134.  11/07/92  234               A Fistful of Datas
<135.  11/14/92  235               The Quality of Life
<      11/21/92  227R 46001.3      Time's Arrow II
<      11/28/92  228R 46041.1      Realm of Fear
<      12/05/92  229R 46071.6      Man of the People
<
<
<Chris Jacobson
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Damn, this sure looks like my schedule, the one I just recently posted.  Even
the stardate note is word-for-word.
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:10:57 EST

In article <91861@netnews.upenn.edu>
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
 
>In article <16870BE99.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
>>
>>I would be greatly surprised if the Sci-Fi channel were to be considered
>>a "premium" channel, so I'm presuming the original poster of this info is
>>somewhat misinformed about how Basic Cable works.
>
>I am the original poster.  My understanding is that basic cable costs $20
>per month.  That's $240 per year.
 
Right, but Sci-Fi is not the only thing you get for that.
 
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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Relics *Spoilers*
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:18:18 GMT
























Spoilers?   possibly...so why take chances

























I was much happier with this episode than I've been with the rest so
far this season.  The explanation of being stored in the transporter
seemed believable and even possible given the amount of information
this net has discussed in the past.

I was wondering just how they beamed Geordi & Scotty back to the
Enterprise while the shields were up though.  Anyone got an
explanation?  And why was the enterprise orbiting the sun if it had
enough impulse power to pull away and exit the sphere?  Or, better
yet, why didn't they just repair their engines enough to manuever back
to the door and "hail" the tractor beams to let them out?  Hopefully
the ships that return to explore the sphere will have better sense!

In all though, a great show.  I think they missed the opportunity to
bring more of the TOS cast members back with cameo appearances while
they were on the holodeck.  I kept on waiting for the computer to
display Uhura, Checkov, Sulu, etc...  It would've been GREAT!

Regards,
Ron

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From: plp1@Ra.MsState.Edu (pat parker)
Subject: Re: Rascals info (SPOILERS)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:33:00 GMT

andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus Software Ltd) writes:

>> 133.  10/31/92  233               Rascals

>I don't think this info has been posted yet (I guess I'd have noticed
>the outcry). You really aren't going to like this, but the general plot
>for the upcoming episode "Rascals" is about a transporter malfunction in
>which a group beaming back aboard the Enterprise (including Picard,
>apparently) suffer a freak transporter malfunction and get beamed back
>aboard as children... Picard even has hair!

yeah! i've heard the same thing about this episode.  picard is spanky, 
riker is alfalfa, and worf is buckwheat.

really!