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From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
Subject: Re: Dune
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies 
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:44:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.062639.19265@cc.uow.edu.au> jerd@uow (jerd) writes:
>In article boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
>> In article news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) writes...
>> 
>> } I don't know if this is a FAQ (I haven't been able to find the thing!),
>> } but I keep on hearing rumors from friends about this mongo-longo version
>> } of the movie _Dune_. Do any of you out there in net-land know anything
>> } about this?  Just curious...
>> 
>> Yes, I know about this. It's a myth, story, tall-tale, falsehood, urban
>> legend. No such creature exists. Never has. Everyone seems to have heard
>> of it, but no one has ever seen it. It's never been documented anywhere
>> as existing.
>
>	There is something in the introduction to one of Frank Herbert's books 
>which indicates that there was a longer version (i think 6 hours) that 
>Frank was working to get released on video, as 2 or 3 vid set.
>
Well, I don't know about that, but my brother-in-law's third cousin
used to share an apartement with someone whose sister met a guy in
a supermarket checkout line who swore on a stack of bibles that his
younger brother had been hitchhiking in Europe one summer and met an
Austrailian who told him that he'd met an American fellow who claimed
to have met the sister of an acquaintance he'd been in the same 
basketweaving class with at junior high, and she told him that she
had a friend who'd been assured by her uncle in Toronto that while
visiting Spain, he had spoken to the second cousin twice removed 
of the gardener who worked on the same street in Venice as the
sister of the man who'd once rented a car to a movie critic who
claimed to have been told by a baggage handler at Heathrow airport
that his sister's cousin had been told by her hairdresser in L.A.
that a 31 hour 13 1/2 minute version was in the possession of a 
sailor working on a tuna boat out of Osaka.

So, believe what you will, but I'm still looking for that damn
tuna boat...

---tom

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From cunews!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!milton!pinky Thu Mar  5 08:51:38 EST 1992
Article 2800 of rec.arts.sf.movies:
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>From: pinky@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Burbank)
Subject: Re: Dune Question...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1992 00:01:44 GMT

wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:

>In article boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:
>>In article, tad2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry A. Donaghe) writes...
>>
>>} I have heard that there was a four hour version of Dune made...
>>} Does anyone know about this?

the version on video was differant than the one at the theater was
differant than the first tv release was differant than the second
tv release.  i am sure of that.  i have also heard that they have
15 hours.  this from a interview with F.H.  on a local radio station.
From: gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: mysterious marine SOLVED
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:24:53 GMT
Organization: Ironpig Arcadia, Coventry, UK

In article <1459@grivel.une.edu.au> scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh) writes:
>
>I've figured it out, guys. It's so obvious.
>
>He's the marine that BROUGHT THE EGGS UP TO THE SULACO!!
>

YES!! Of course! And the Sarge and Dietrich, who weren't dead, actually helped
him. I see it all, now. Walter Hill is a genius!

And a big Smartie for Cav for working it out!

Great! Now all I have to do is to watch the film and the dreams I've been 
having for the past three years might stop.


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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:59:50 GMT

In article <5582@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>From article <1992Jul21.104715.3221@ifi.unizh.ch>, by hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner):
>>>10. Alien
>> If you say "Alien" you have to say "Aliens"!
>Ha!  Definitely not.  If Alien is #10, Aliens must be somewhere around
>15-20.

Oh no!  Another Alien vs. Aliens clash!  IIIEEEEE!!  8-)

Personally, I would've loved to see Aliens (not to mention Terminator
or STII) included in the Top Ten, but the day I let popular opinion
influence my life is no doubt the day I'll start voluntarily wearing a
business suit (Iugh!  Makes my skin shiver just thinking about it!).

>Personally, I would also put Zardoz somewhere in there (though I guess
>hardly anybody will agree with me).

Well, you've just shot *your* credibility as a movie critic!
Oh here, have some smileys: 8-) 8^> 8-] 8v\ 8:d  Feeling better?
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:45:00 -0400 
From: Louis Blair <lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wizards

SPOILER WARNING



"Chris Jarocha-Ernst ", Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt writes:
>I was outraged at the complete character turnaround of the
>"good" wizard, who had preached against technology and
>yet found it expedient to shoot the other wizard.

I, for one, think that characters are allowed to have a change
of mind in a movie.  The causes of the good wizard's reassessment
of his attitudes are made quite clear.

"Chris Jarocha-Ernst ", Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt writes:
>It was another example of "the ends justifies the means",

No, it was an example of a reassessment of those means.

"Chris Jarocha-Ernst ", Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt writes:
>a notion I don't believe.

I hope that you never go to the doctor.  A good deal of the
advance of medical science has been brought about by
experimenting on animals.

I remember vividly something that happened when I
first saw the movie.  At the end, someone stood up and
asked a companion, "Doesn't that mean that the good
wizard is just as bad as the evil one?"  Overhearing,
I replied, "Does it?", and received only a puzzled ex-
pression in response.  Bakshi could have just had
another big battle with the wizards throwing
bolts of light at each other, but instead he gave us
something which I think is much more interesting.
The movie makes both the pro-techies and the
anti-techies mad, and I suspect that this was in-
tentional.  In my opinion, the movie is trying to
push both to re-examine their own views.
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From: moscatel@granite.ma30.bull.com (Joseph Moscatelli)
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:07:39 GMT

In article <BD.92Jul23131956@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>is to ask audiences who the bad guy in E.T. was.
>
>Who are the bad guys?

Maybe one of the locals that were thrashing the woods looking for the "alien."

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From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Where's Star Wars 4
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:35:26 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <9207211945.AA03575@rutgers.edu> b3gms@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("bottrell, gerald") writes:
>the "Major Science Fiction Magazine" in question is the June 1992
>Cinefantasique.  The article is "Where's Star Wars 4?" by Nolan Wright
>Wright says that Lucas said he was tired of doing the series.  The article
>was very downbeat and it really sounded like Wright was taking it personally
>that Lucas "Wasn't interested any more."
>the big quote seems to be from the NY Times :"I ran out of energy to do
>it," Lucas said. "Once you have done it a couple of times, then the thrill 
>wears off and you really want to get into different territory."
>the new territor seems to be "Young Indiana Jones".
>
>MJ

The article was written as if the author had a real vendetta against Lucas.
As far as I know, Lucas has made many contradictory statements about continuing
the Star Wars series within the past year.  Wright took one statement in the
_Times_, and based a whole diatribe on it.  (If I remember that _Times_ article
correctly, I don't think Lucas was swearing off from ever doing a new Star
Wars movie.  He was just saying that for now he would like to concentrate on
the "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.")

I've noticed that the writing in _Cinefantastique_ has a tendency to jump in
and rip on a movie before it's released.  It doesn't happen all the time but
it is glaring when it does.  I don't know what it says for the editors' 
objectivity . . .


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From: b3gms@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("bottrell, gerald")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Where's Star Wars 4
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:40:00 GMT

the "Major Science Fiction Magazine" in question is the June 1992
Cinefantasique.  The article is "Where's Star Wars 4?" by Nolan Wright
Wright says that Lucas said he was tired of doing the series.  The article
was very downbeat and it really sounded like Wright was taking it personally
that Lucas "Wasn't interested any more."
the big quote seems to be from the NY Times :"I ran out of energy to do
it," Lucas said. "Once you have done it a couple of times, then the thrill 
wears off and you really want to get into different territory."
the new territor seems to be "Young Indiana Jones".

MJ
From: mmccolli@ess.harris.com (Mike McCollister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Close Encounters
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:27:33 GMT
Reply-To: mmccolli@ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris (Government Aerospace Systems)

I've only version that I can find of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" on video
is the "Special Edition" which shows the interior of the large space ship.
Does anyone know if the non-special edition is available on video?

Thanks,

Mike  

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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:15:44 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <14552@umd5.umd.edu> walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:

>Also, what *is* sf? Would Jaws be sf? It is about a giant monster like
>godzilla. I think my sf is different from other's sf. Has anyone really
>defined an sf theme in a movie?

Can't define it, but I know it when I see it.  Jaws ain't it.  Godzilla
is in separate category of "monster movies" as opposed to SF movie, as
far as I'm concerned.  Monster movies might be a sub-set of SF, but it's
clearly a separate category of _some_ sort.
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:12:18 GMT

In article <BD.92Jul27094814@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>>	The Military/Government are EEEEEVIL and will do anything to
>>cover up such a landing, help the psychotic Scientists get hold of
>>the Harmless Alien, and use anything they learn to Destroy The World (tm).
>But the actions of the scientists didn't seem eveil, although I can see why
>from Eliott's point of view they might seem bad.  I think you have
>overly identified with Eliott, and were unable to look at the scientists
>from an impartial point of view.  They didn't do anything wrong.

As David Brin pointed out (whether or not he actually got his facts correct
about Wizards, a can of worms I can't go into since I've never seen it), that's
the whole nature of propaganda: of course the scientists and government
didn't actually _do_ anything wrong, but the audience is manipulated so as
to feel their perfectly innocent actions are evil nevertheless.  We were
_supposed_ to identify with Elliott, and we were _supposed_ to see the
scientists as bad guys; the fact that they're not _really_ bad guys hardly
changes the fact that the movie was trying to _tell_ us otherwise....

Oh, and here's another topic: Is Star Wars anti-scientific?  I would claim so.
(Turn off your computer, use the force....)
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From: pclink@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick)
Subject: Re: _NEUROMANCER_ movie?
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:02:39 GMT

zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>In the early/mid 80's, I had heard that DEVO was slated to do the soundtrack
>for Neuromancer.  Needless to say, the movie was nixed by the studio for
>reasons unknown to me.

DEVO did the music for the game.  Not bad, considering it came out of
a 2" speaker driven by a square wave.

Rick.
From: RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Blade runner gif site?
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:58:23 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

In article <1992Jul19.230059.21822@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ca806@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roger M. Selby) says:
>
>Would anyone know the internet address of the ftp site(s) with
>Blade Runner and Alien gifs?
>

      Yes thankyou! ;o)
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From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Subject: Re: Light Years
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:37:35 GMT

In article <UeOoGVu00Voj8GJJ0F@andrew.cmu.edu> John Charles Fiala <jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>        LIGHT YEARS is in my video library as well as several other animated 
>>feature films (and shorts). Its one of the better AniFilms to come out in 
>>the 1980's...
>I hope not... if so, the general quality of 'AniFilms' to come out
>during the 1980's
>was rather low.  I watched Light Years once, but found it to be badly animated
>(to my taste), and I found the storyline simple, with holes.  I had been
>expecting
>to like it (what with Issac Asimov's name across the box), but ended up
>extremely
>disappointed.  I can't really go into a detailed review of *why* I

What I heard was that the original french version made so little sence that 
when translated into english it was nonsence.  So they got Asimov to watch it
with out dialog, tell then what he though was going on and then redialoged
the film to Asimov's new plot line.

--
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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Kobyashi Maru
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc 
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:04:57 GMT

In article <deb.100.0@loni.ucla.edu> deb@loni.ucla.edu (Debjoti Sensharma) writes:
>
>>Sulu loses because he ignored the distress call. Chekhov because his
>>ship was killed, and Scotty because he gets killed anyway by ever
>>increasing numbers of ships.
>
>Then Kirk would not have been the only one to succeed (as mentioned in TWOK) 
>since he too cheated like Scotty...  Why was no one else mentioned?

	First of all, this thread doesn't belong here.  I set the followup-
to line to the appropriate ST newsgroup.  Secondly, I don't understand
your objection.  Scotty did *not* succeed.  He lost.  He got killed while
trying valiantly to fend off the attackers.  Kirk, however, won.  He
"defeated" the Klingons and rescued Kobayashi Maru.  Yes, Kirk did cheat
and so did Scotty.  The difference is Scotty died anyway.  Kirk didn't.

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From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:58:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

It was *me*.

Unfortunately, all of my footage was cut from the released version of the
movie.

:-)

   Robert
From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:40:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <BD.92Jul23131104@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>re Close Encounters...

>This movie was, for the most part, great.  But the last few minutes
>really sucked, IMHO.


	WHAT?!

	That was what the whole movie was leading UP to! Roy Neary,
the daydreamer, the one who really WANTED to go to the stars, being
one of those chosen to go... and finally attaining his dream! Why
do you think the music was based a lot on "When You Wish Upon a Star"..?

	The finale of CE3K was enough to bring tears to my eyes, and
damn few movies have managed that. I LOVED that movie (both versions,
although I was glad to see at least a glimpse of the inside of the
Mothership in the second version)...


                                 Sea Wasp
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From: lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Re: Wizards
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:39:05 GMT

In article <gj36120@pro-smof.cts.com> wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher) writes:
>  " Good and evil are never so cut and dried as you would like to believe."
>
>  Good and evil are "cut and dried" it is just that we are all evil and
>some of us are not trying very hard to be good. 

I don't agree that human's are inherently evil. Neither are we inherently
good. Every person has the capacity for either, and everyone decides how they
will act. Of course, there are many factors that influence this decision, such
as your environment, past experiences, current situation, etc. My point about
good and evil not being cut and dried was that there aren't many people
that you can point to and say that they are totally evil or totally good.
I'm not saying these people don't exist, but they are rare. You usually
say, "He's basically a good person" or something similar.

> But as for your example of
>"The Gulf War" I think that you are right about how view point is shaped by
>which side one is one.
>  We kill tens of thousands of Iraqes they only kill a hand full of us.
>Perhaps Bakshi is tying to show just how dirty we all are.

As I said, I think the point was to show that most people aren't totally
good or evil. "Good" people will sometimes do "bad" things, and "evil"
people may have some reasons that help you understand yet not condone 
their "bad" actions.

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:02:02 GMT
Reply-To: eprice@sql.sybase.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <BD.92Jul23131956@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>I didn't save it, so I can't quote directly, but in the second
>of the "David Brin" posts he says that one of his favorite tricks
>is to ask audiences who the bad guy in E.T. was.

I think it was Spielberg.

-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sql.sybase.com (not wildman@...)
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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: ALIENS- mysterious marine.
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:42:42 GMT

gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:

>In article <1432@grivel.une.edu.au> scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh) writes:
>>
>>Just after Apone says his "we gonna go in, and we gonna conquer, and
>>we gonna kick some" bit, the camera follows the marines running out
>>to join the line up. Just before you see Frost handing out the M41As
>>there is a marine who puts on his helmet and runs off to the left. I'm
>>pretty sure I know the marines better than most, but I don't recognise
>>this guy. He looks older than the others. Who is he?

>This is Crowe. Wierzbowski is the podgy one that Hicks pulls away from the
>railings just as the ammo is about to explode.

*Crowe* was the one being pulled away. He then gets killed by the exploding ammo

 Fact is, that in the middle
>of a battle, in the dark, when everyone's wearing the same uniform, it's
>difficult to tell who's who. This is why (IMO) Hicks calls in to the Lt.
>that Crowe and Wierzbowski are down, and then shouts after Wierzbowski
>as he gets taken away. I think that Someone else was actually getting hit,
>but Hicks thought it was Ski.

Wierzbowski was killed. Either by an alien or accidently by a marine after he   was
captured

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