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From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: 10-Ride ticket for Amtrak Captiols & San Diegans
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:28:22 GMT

According to Caltrans Division of Rail's "Making Tracks" newsletter
Amtrak is now offering 10-Ride tickets for the Capitols and the
San Diegans:  

	Available Sept. 1, the 10-Ride ticket will free regular
	riders from standing in line to purchase individual train
	tickets.  And, instead of lugging around 10 tickets,
	riders will ahve a single ticket with 10 squares, which
	the conductor will hole-punch each time the ticket is
	used.

	According to Caltrans Rail Chief Cindy McKim, the ticket
	offers added convenience and potential cost-savings for
	regular passengers.  She said, "The new 10-ride ticket
	is a way for us to say 'thank you' to our frequent riders.
	With a single ticket they can make 10 trips, so they save
	time at the ticket counter, and can also save money
	depending on when they travel."

	The convenience ticket is good for 10 trips (or five round
	trips) between any two predesignated stops on the route--
	Sacramento to San Francisco, for example.  Passengers may,
	at their discretion use the ticket for shorter trips along
	the same route.


The ticket is valid for 90 days and can be used by more than one
person per trip (e.g. a group of 5 can make one round trip with it).
The new 10-Ride convenience tickets for the Capitols and San Diegans
are available at all California Amtrak stations.  For more details
on 10-Ride tickets, contact your Amtrak station agent or call Amtrak
at (800) USA-RAIL.

Amtrak Capitols
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fare from	One	10-Ride
City-City	Way	Discount

Roseville-SF	$17	$ 9.00/ride, or $ 90 ($170 value)
Sac-Martinez	$12	$ 6.50/ride, or $ 65 ($120 value)
Sac-Oak/SF	$16	$ 8.50/ride, or $ 85 ($160 value)
Sac-San Jose	$23	$12.00/ride, or $120 ($230 value)
Martinez-Oak/SF	$ 9	$ 5.00/ride, or $ 50 ($ 90 value)
Mrtnz.-San Jose	$14	$ 7.50/ride, or $ 75 ($140 value)
Suisun-Oak/SF	$10	$ 5.50/ride, or $ 55 ($100 value)
Oak/SF-San Jose	$10	$ 5.50/ride, or $ 55 ($100 value)

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
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From: brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: SIAM demo following
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:14:13 GMT


Following discussions about railroad/railway computer, I am posting a demo
version of some of the railway simulations available from SIAM Ltd.

Cheers
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From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak's future under a Clinton administration
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:26:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.27253
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Distribution: world
Organization: lbl
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

In article <16824@umd5.umd.edu>, gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
writes:
|> Amtrak supporters rejoice.... Only two more months of Bush!  
|> 
|> President elect Bill Clinton has made some grandiose promises about high
|> speed rail.  Will he deliver on these promises.  What projects will be  
|> undertaken in the next four years?  The bottom line is we will see real 
|> progress in intercity rail expansion and AmTrak will probably running truly 
|> |> high speed (150mph service) by the turn of the century.  How about some  
|> comments from newsgroup readers about what they think will happen, what  
|> regional projects they think will be implemented.  Lets get a lively
|> discussion  
|> going!

OK, I'll bite -- I'd just add that we could distinguish between what
is _likely_ to happen and what _ought_ to happen.  For example, I'd
like to see the 'Amtrak Penny' idea implemented and expanded (taking
or adding gas (carbon) tax revenue for rail and other transit), but
I expect that that might be politically difficult.

I'm not knowledgeable about the North-East Corridor, but I would expect
full funding of that.  Maybe we'll see Clinton and/or Gore take a
ride on the new tilt-train as a photo-op.  I would also expect more
capital to be available for Amtrak.

As I recall, there are about 5 high-speed rail corridors already
selected, but I haven't heard that this has had any practical effect yet.
Any votes for where the first high-speed lines should be built?
Naturally, I'd like to see them in California, but I suspect this
is not the best place for the first one or two lines, due to geography
and relatively longer distances (as between LA and SF, though maybe
LA/San Diego would work).  As Texas has seemingly put the most
effort in to date, perhaps that should be the location of the first
lines (and a way for Clinton to try to win Texas in '96.....).

Since the U.S. seems to have to buy all its high-speed equipment
from other countries, I would expect to see some federal involvement
in helping build a domestic high-speed rail industry.

Then of course, there's the direct high-speed line between DC and
Little Rock, and the new presidential train-- Amtrak One !!! :)

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: zdb@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Subject: Don't restrict postings to North America please.
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:32:08 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

  Some postings to rec.railroad and rec.models.railroad are
restricted to North America (na). There are lots of us out
there who are interested in US railroading. Please could
you post these items with a world distribution. I often
read these newsgroups through a US node to overcome
this problem
----
David Bourne
University of Cape Town, South Africa.
Internet zdb@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: rjkopp@wraith.syr.EDU (Ray Kopp)
Subject: Re: Railroad Computer program...
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:13:20 EST

Signal is not there anymore either.  I have a C64 and was trying to get this toowithout much luck.  Someone offered to try to get a copy back that he had
given to someone or something like that to copy and send to me but I don't
think he ever was able to get it.  Still looking.

Ray Kopp
Internet: rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
Bitnet: RJKOPP@SUVM.BITNET
Syracuse, New York
From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Amtrak's future under a Clinton administration
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:54:17 GMT
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu

Amtrak supporters rejoice.... Only two more months of Bush!  

President elect Bill Clinton has made some grandiose promises about high
speed rail.  Will he deliver on these promises.  What projects will be  
undertaken in the next four years?  The bottom line is we will see real 
progress in intercity rail expansion and AmTrak will probably running truly  
high speed (150mph service) by the turn of the century.  How about some  
comments from newsgroup readers about what they think will happen, what  
regional projects they think will be implemented.  Lets get a lively discussion  
going!
From: gregb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Greg Brahms)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Sacramento/SFO happenings?
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:58:08 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

Hello Dave,

Check in to the Mt. Diablo repeater whose input is on 145.33.  This repeater
is frequented by bay area and central valley rails and covers from Tahoe to 
the coast and all up and down the central valley.  There is a Wednesday Rail
Net on it at 8:00.

Cheers,
Greg Brahms WB6UHH
"I'd rather be riding my speeder"
...and I will be then; I will be installing a radio system for the Nevada
Northern at that time and will take my speeder out there.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: ICC gives WC preliminary approval to buy GB&W
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:03:00 GMT


>Sad? I think it's Great!
 
I've never been a fan of the WC - I've just got this thing about scab
(non-union) roads.
 
>As far as monopolies go, the WC is far from one. anything hauled on
>the WC ( or FRVR or GBW for that matter ) could be hauled on trucks
>for about the same cost to the customer.
 
Yeah, and I want to see trucks haul that coal train I saw the FRVR
hauling out of Butler, Wis. yard the the other day. We're talking rail
monopoly here, not trucks.
 
>Back to the employees, ex ITEL workers can't be laid off, but current
>WC workers can be laid off. I find this to be quite unfair, but
>that's the way it goes...
 
I think that's fair, considering WC workers could have unionized and
received some support. It's nice to see someone besides union workers
get it, for a change.
    Joe R.
-- 
Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
WISE Div., NMRA
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Condencening Steam Locomotives
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:05:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

The South African Railways had some engine with condencing tenders.

Kinda looked like black F45s without the cab (row of fans centered the length
of tender)


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From: M.Enderby@daresbury.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Condensing Locos ...
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk ()
Organization: SERC Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.

I believe that South African Railways also have (or had) condensing
locos for conserving water supplies on long runs - modified 25NCs.
Cheers,
	Mark
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From: muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Rio Grande Ski Train and "Cost of Living"
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:05:29 GMT


  This below is TONGUE-IN-CHEEK and JUST FOR FUN.

  re. Rio Grande Ski Train (Denver-Winter Park) ...  way back in
  the olden days, viz. 1949, round trip cost was two bucks.

  I am told (??!!) it now is $ 25 ...

  Thus using an interest rate of 6.05 %, the "worth" of $2 in 1949
  has a "[present] worth" of $25.   THUS WE DEFINE A NEW "COST OF
  LIVING INDEX", viz. the "Ski Train Index" as being 6.05 % !!

  If you are riding the ski train this 
  winter, have a good time !!   We certainly used to in the olden days.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: U.S. railroad maps (topo maps)
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:47:44 GMT

The 1:25,000 maps (aka the 7.5' series) are, from my experience, basically
good for fairly fine detail.  The 1:250,000 series, on the east coast
anyway, are a lot better for the big picture.  As someone else mentioned,
these haven't been updated much.  It takes six of these to cover the entire
state of Maryland, so the scale is still relatively small.

Indexes are sold on a per-state basis; you almost have to have one of these
to do mail order.
-- 
C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
                  +    but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
From: zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN)
Subject: Re: Cows'n'Trains (was Cow Catchers)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:21:37 GMT

In article <17412@mindlink.bc.ca> Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
>
>One of our (CP Rail) operating rules states that when livestock is struck,
>the dispatcher must be notified immediately.  In some cases, CP will
>re-imburse the farmer for lost cattle.  This brings back a story I told once
>where a farmer purposely left his gate open and led his herd on to the
>tracks.  A train came around the corner and nailed about 10 of them.  CP
>Police investigated and discovered what he had done and he got NOTHING.  This
>happened in Southern BC by Sparwood.
>
>As for cow-catchers, their main use is to shovel anything off the track, be
>it rocks, debris, or cars.  In bad climates, large ones are used as snow
>plows.  They ride about 2 inches above the railhead and can sweep most small
>stuff out of the way.
>
[abridged version]

 Ah, in the good old days of steam engines and cattle on the track. Seventy
years ago, it seemed that the only animals that trains ever struck were
prize wining beasts. Or so the farmer claimed. This problem was so big
that the railroads employed crak lawyers to keep from paying huge
settlements.

 An aside, during WW2, Soo Line had a couple of female employees at
their Shorham yard (a large yard and engine facility). The managers
felt that the railroads were no place for women and these poor girls
were often found with scrapers removing heavilly baked animal remains
off of steam engines.



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From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: European trains
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 13:56:06 -0600

Subj: High Speed Rail Query          Conf: (51) Rec.Railro
___------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, Allon...

Here in the USA, I'm not sure how many people really understand how
European trains are physically structured.  I've been over there twice,
and rode a "regular" train in Belgium, and the TGV in France -- 8 or 10
years ago.  (Boy, time flies....)

The regular trains weren't particularly fast, to me anyway, but they
*were* quick, clean, pleasant and efficient -- and I enjoyed the scenery
whether we were in a city or in the countryside.  That's the visitor's
perspective, I think.

The TGV was, of course, fast, and seldom seemed to slow for anything.
While I'm glad I rode it, it was *so* fast that it wasn't as pleasant
an experience as a "regular" train.  Although it was quicker (I
think) and more pleasant (definitely) than the plane, it isn't a choice
I would make for the sheer pleasure of the experience!

This may be a question that is too general, but perhaps you would
describe train system setups in more detail for us?  Or, is there a book
somewhere on European railroads.  Silly me!  Of course there must be!
Any recommendations in that line?

Later,
  Alan.

 * OLX 2.2 * From Minnesota -- Land of the Giant Frozen Mosquito!

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
From: luebeckd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ken Luebeck)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Misspelling of "Amtrak" (was Re: Metroliners)
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:07:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1dq0utINNgrt
Reply-To: luebeckd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ken Luebeck)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-30.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <lfipggINNahd@news.bbn.com>, rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)  
writes:
> Seriously....
  
> how did the National Rail Passenger Corporation ever
> get the name "Amtrak" anyway?

The name Amtrak was derived from the combination of AMerican, TRAvel, and  
tracK.

Incidentally, according to Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary (First  
Digital Ed.), an "amtrack" is an amphibian, that is, a vehicle designed to  
travel on both land and water.

Ken Luebeck
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: wadams@spitz.ECE.CMU.EDU (William Adams)
Subject: Re: Stupid People (Grade crossings)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:50:23 GMT


[stupid people at crossings]


I've been wondering too.  Someone got nailed here (right next to
my building) a couple of weeks ago.  True, the only warning
was a bell (crossbucks,TRACKS, and a headlight don't seem to be considered 
warnings).  Now CSX is installing gates.  My guess is they got 
sued for unsafe practices?

Maybe most people don't have a good idea of the size/physics
involved.  Trains are pretty rare in normal life, and usually
seen at a distance...  and they look "normal-sized" at a distance,
and you only see the engines at the crossing, usually, the 100+ cars 
pushing it.  Plus people are familiar with road vehicles and their 
stopping, slowing characteristics, and probably assume trains are 
like trucks (i.e. like a single truck).

I know trains seem small to me, until I go downtown and stand
next to (and I mean NEXT to...) an idling SD40-2... You REALLY get
a feeling of weight and power then.

Maybe railroad companies should follow the lead of drunk-driving
prevention programs and return the wrecked vehicles to the crash
site for all to see... Of course there wouldn't be much LEFT to see.

(at least gate runners aren't as bad as those who hit the middle of
 a train already in the crossing.... now how does THAT happen?)

One more thing.  I have noticed at the aforementioned CSX crossing
that many people try to be cautious and stop at the tracks.  The
thing is, they see the rail guage and assume that that is the train
width.  They don't know a train is some 10 ft wide and largely overhangs
the guage.  So they're just waiting to get nailed... since the car 
behind is usually right on their bumper... and inevitably they will
try to back up instead of crossing to safety.

I don't believe the driver's ed course I took or the state of MD 
drivers handbook says anything about trains beyond look both ways
at crossings and "this is what a railroad crossing sign looks like".
Maybe instead of showing so many drunken driver accident blood/gore
films, drivers ed should show a general "don't do this" film...
a good film of a car getting t-boned by an engine (just an engine alone
would do, staged, of course) would certainly make people aware of
the potential health risk.  Actually, cars tend to be flung out of the
way, I guess, so don't absorb much energy...  Maybe have a longer train
t-bone something a little more significant (and respected by the public)
Like a dump truck or a semi or a tour bus (better use an engine headed
for the scrap heap).  (slightly indulging in destructive fantasies here,
but it's for a good cause).

In all honesty, I must confess that when I was a kid, I used to play 
between the rails in front of 100+ car trains (and I knew it was
there, too), getting clear when it was maybe a hundred yards away. 
I'm glad I never fell and I hope I didn't cause too many grey hairs for
the crews.

 
	Just my thoughts,

		Bill 
		wadams@faraday.ece.cmu.edu
From: AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Aron Eisenpress)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: System timetables f/w 92-3
Date: 3 Nov 92 22:38:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

This won't help you in Chicago, but I picked up a new Amtrak system timetable
today at the BWI station in Maryland.  They had a few out in the rack with the
northeast and national timetables.  I also saw them out for the taking last
time I was in Toronto, at the station.  Philadelphia sometimes has them out
too (I got them a couple of times there just at the end of their valid
period -- I suppose they were trying to get rid of them.)  But you're right,
mostly the Amfolks won't admit to their existence (or don't know about them).
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: U.S. railroad maps (topo maps)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:37:57 GMT

	Indeed, topo maps are great fun.  I have traced trolley lines gone for
	80 years, and steam lines gone for 150.  With luck, the line shows as
	an "abandoned RR".  If not, long straight stretches of dirt roads.
	Furthest "back" in time, look for straight lines crossing contours,
	marking out cuts and fills.  Amazing what can be found in rolling
	country...

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd.		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass		01775	pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: compound locos (was Re: High Speed Rail Query)
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:54:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: The Really Useless Computer Company

In article <1992Nov6.164726.16489@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com
(Steven Bellovin) writes:

#  Has anyone ever tried building a locomotive that tried to recondense
#  water from the steam? It would seem that a closed cycle would be of
#  great interest, given how quickly steam engines need to refill their
#  water tanks. 

Yes, the Metropolitan Railway in London did, at the end of the 19th
century, because it was largely underground. 


-- 
                                  //// Ken Johnson, A I Applications Institute
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From: luebeckd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ken Luebeck)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Stupid People (Grade crossings)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 23:22:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: luebeckd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ken Luebeck)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-11.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

[stupid people at crossings]

To further illustrate the size disparity between a car and a train...

I was talking with a conductor on the Burlington Northern a few months ago  
when doing research for a high school project. At the time, he was working  
for Operation Lifesaver, a railroad safety program that several (all?)  
major U.S. railroads participate in. He compared a train hitting a car,  
with a car running over an aluminum pop can. He further noted that he can  
have a full cup of coffee sitting in the cab; when the train hits a car,  
not a drop spills. There is no impact as far as the train is concerned.

While some train crew have had to undergo counseling or have even quit the  
profession, in general, he said, if I hit you and your car at a crossing,  
"it ruins my morning."
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: wadams@spitz.ECE.CMU.EDU (William Adams)
Subject: Re: Railroad maps in general for N. America
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:11:12 GMT


     US Geological Survey maps are great for detail and finding old
grades which have been dismantled, but I've found that these maps
have a long period between updates (at least the 7.5 minutes topo series)
They're first updated by airborne photography,  then field checked
later.  Some haven't been field checked since 1965.  This leads to many
wrong road names.  Road names are sometimes omitted altogether.


	bill
	wadams@faraday.ece.cmu.edu