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From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Re: NEW wonderpill! (was: Re: Bananas vs. PowerBars)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:59:34 GMT

johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid) writes:

>young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec15.155209.13238@polaris.utu.fi> eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:

>>[...]

>>>The new MIX-VIT (tm) is made up of a sodium chloride heart surrounded by
>>>a layer of glucose. All ingredients are 100% NATURAL with NO PRESERVATIVES
>>>added. Five tablets daily of MIX-VIT (tm) will help you improve your diet!

>>	Wonderful.  Just what the Western world needs: a pill that adds
>>	salt and sugar to the diet.

>100% Natural?? So is a cowpat.



>>-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
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Is it me, or are you guys  humor-impaired? I think this was a joke.
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Keywords: Avocet Cross tires
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:54:29 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <41301@unix.SRI.COM> brent_silver.msidb@qm.sri.com writes:
> [stuff about bad experience with Avocet Cross tires getting lots o'
> flats deleted]

I had a similar experience with Michelin HiLite Tour tires: fairly good
luck for the first half of their 3500 mile (in back) life and then lots
of flats.  This surprised me, as I've had phenomenal luck with Michelin
HiLite Comp tires (thousands of miles between flats).

Of course, part of the problem is that I ride the larger Tours in the
rain more, and we all know how well water lubricates glass.  But I came
to the conclusion after inspecting my tires a few times that the thicker
rubber and the deep tread gave the glass a place to shelter while it worked
its way toward the tube.  The Comps have very little rubber, and are slick,
so during the time it takes a piece of glass to work through the tire it
is exposed, and liable to be brushed off by contact with the road or with
my prophylactic hand movements.  Glass inside grooves in the Tours is very
hard to dislodge, so even though the rubber is thicker it eventually gets
through.
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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:03:21 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec17.172907.22349@ncar.ucar.edu>, jweiss@paintbrush.cgd.ucar.edu (Jeffrey Weiss) writes:
> Let me also emphasize the importance of carrying some ID.  I was once
> in a bike accident that resulted in temporary amnesia.  I still don't
> remember the accident itself, but luckily I was wearing a helmet.  I
> was not carrying ID.  Luckily, I remembered who I was within an hour or
> so.  Also, carry proof of insurance (if you have insurance).  I had
> quite a time at the emergency room without it, and I think I was not
> given all the tests I should have gotten because of it.
> 
> --
> Jeff
> jweiss@ncar.ucar.edu

Still,  what this really points out is the ridiculousness of the US hospital
system where your insurance is more important to the doctors than your health,
but that's another story...

Jonathan.
Uni of Waikato
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:05:56 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Just something I was wondering about...

You know how Russian technology is often hassled for being substandard
or not even of standard design,  e.g. their wristwatches which are about the
only ones in the world that differ from the standard Swiss design,  and
Ladas are the butt of jokes in the car-world.

Well I've noticed a few things about Russian cycling gear since they had 
some riders in New Zealand recently for the NZ Post Cycling Classic.

On one leg a Russian rider punctured and upon trying to fit a 'standard'
wheel on as a replacement found it didn't fit his Russian bike (apparently
this wasn't just a problem of hub width or such like).  And the latest issue
of Cycling Magazine NZ says that some Russian riders were still using cleats
and straps and that their tubulars were cheap jobs made from the same rubber
used for Lada tyres.

Any comments other than that this should be in the .tech group? (That one 
all seems to be about personal gear inquiries)

Jonathan.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: Split support
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.181002.25304@serval.net.wsu.edu> jfletche@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Justin Fletcher - CS) writes:
>I'm starting to lose patience.  [...]

Me too.

> [...]               I've been a (relatively quiet) reader of
>this newsgroup for a number of years, and I applaud the decsion to split
>the newsgroup.  In its original form as rec.bicycles, it would often
>receive hundreds of articles, requiring significant time to sort through.
>Miss reading news for a few days, and it was possible to have over 500
>articles in the group (time for the old "catch up" key . . .).  In its new
>form, I can select the topics of personal interest.  [...]

Great.  So one group has been split into six, and you apparently are now
only looking at a portion of the traffic that you did before with the
single group.  So you're not reading all of the new groups and if something
of interest to you is posted to one that you don't read then you lose.

Given a single group and one of the four or five decent newsreaders you
could quickly scan the one large group and not miss anything.  Now, if
you're intent on not missing anything of interest to you then you've
got a mess on your hands.

So the split benefits those that don't have decent newsreaders, and/or
those that aren't all that serious about the group.  Or at least aren't
too worried about missing stuff here and there.

> [...]                I'd be willing to bet
>that with just a little more support, the split would be fine (limit the
>cross-postings & bitching - use the group AS THE READERS VOTED FOR).

Well it is the only game in town now, since the previous arrangement
has been abandoned.  Are we supposed to salute when we log on or what?

>There are many of you whose ideas & comment I read with interest - in many
>cases even agree with.  In this case, I strongly disagree with your opinion
>-- and with the method with which it is made known (well, at least those of
>you complaining).

It's not as if our `complaining' is really taking up huge amounts of
bandwidth, as seems to be the claim.  We don't agree with you so it
seems you don't want to see our views in `your' forum.  (Of course
with a decent newsreader you could ignore us with little trouble.)

>Were the groups to be recombined, I would regretfully unsubscribe.  I like
>this format - and would no longer have the patience to wade through all the
>articles in one group.
>--

A better newsreader would make things a lot better for you.  Then you
might be able to deal with a few more `too big' newsgroups, and not shy
away just because you're ill equipped.


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:51:23 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <41301@unix.SRI.COM>, brent_silver.msidb@qm.sri.com writes:
(stuff deleted)> 
> Mr. Tuffys have been on only a short while not but I have had two flats with
> them also.  Do they work for other people?
> 
> Brent.  

Hooray,  another person getting flats with Mr Tuffys!  I got a flat the other
day while using them,  and only hope that the puncture occured in a small 
section where I hadn't centered the MT's properly.

Anyway, as our roads are so much rougher than yours,  punctures can happen a
fair bit more in New Zealand.  Most A-catagory riders I ride with use 22-25mm
tyres as a result,  and have little problem.  I'm now waiting for my 18mm's
to wear down enough so I can get a bit of extra width too!

Jonathan,
Uni of Waikato
From: aehall@calvin.seattleu.edu (root-bound)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:46:28 GMT
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.seattleu.edu

>Having ID wouldn't have stopped this, but it took a long time to find
>out who he was.  Luckily he was wearing a jersey from a local bike shop
>and through a description they figured out it was Dale.  If you go out
>riding, especially alone, bring *some* ID.  It doesn't weigh much.

I hope everything turns out okay for him....

As for I.D. I went to a local army surplus store and had a pair of
dogtags made up (~$5)... I had them stamp my name, driver's license number,
blood type, and a couple of phone numbers of close relatives.
It didn't take long to get used to wearing them and I think it's better than
a wallet in your under-the-saddle pack.  What if they never look in your pack??
What if they leave your bike at the scene??? (ACK!  MY MERCKX!!)

Please wish him luck for us and we'll all be thinking about him...

We'll also be thinking about the damned driver too :(

Anthony


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:34:18 GMT

jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Still,  what this really points out is the ridiculousness of the US hospital
>system where your insurance is more important to the doctors than your health,
>but that's another story...
>Jonathan.
>Uni of Waikato

Agreed. My wife and I have some Canadian friends who are here doing some
research and they are amazed at how many people go without medical treatment
or receive poor medical treatment in the U.S.  My wife is from Hawaii which
requires employers to purchase medical insurance for their employees so
most people are covered.  It's also cheaper for everyone becasue everyone pays.
Pretty pathetic situation whne you look at all the wealth in this country.
-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: How do I make by stationary trainer not so loud?
Keywords: n
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:47:47 GMT

In article <19753@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> news@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (news) writes:
>I replaced the nobbie tires on my mountian bike with smooth ones.  This made
>a dramatic difference ;-)  You might also try a carpet or reminant under the
>stand to insulate it some.

a what?  ruminant?  a cow would be pretty good, but somewhat
unhappy.  you could end up with more noise than you prevented.

-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:54:12 GMT

From article <1992Dec16.180556.12837@waikato.ac.nz>, by jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz:
> Just something I was wondering about...
> 
> You know how Russian technology is often hassled for being substandard
> or not even of standard design,  e.g. their wristwatches which are about the
> only ones in the world that differ from the standard Swiss design,  and
> Ladas are the butt of jokes in the car-world.

Actually, Ladas are rather highly thought of in some circles (rallying, to
wit), since they're so heavily overbuilt, and, of course, cheap.  Not that
you'd pit them against a Lancia or Audi, of course...
 
> Well I've noticed a few things about Russian cycling gear since they had 
> some riders in New Zealand recently for the NZ Post Cycling Classic.

Russian pros (as in nationally sponsored "amateurs") don't use Russian gear.
Usually they use Italian bikes (they seem to be fond of Colnagos) fitted 
with Campy components.  I've only seen pictures of real Russian bikes;
apparently they're cheap knockoffs of Italian models.

 
> On one leg a Russian rider punctured and upon trying to fit a 'standard'
> wheel on as a replacement found it didn't fit his Russian bike (apparently
> this wasn't just a problem of hub width or such like).  And the latest issue
> of Cycling Magazine NZ says that some Russian riders were still using cleats
> and straps and that their tubulars were cheap jobs made from the same rubber
> used for Lada tyres.

What's wrong with cleats and straps?
Just out of curiosity, what are NZ bikes like?  I'm sure there are any number
of fine framebuilders there; are there any in particular the rest of the
world might want to know about?

Dave

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1657 rec.bicycles.tech:2765 rec.bicycles.marketplace:1681
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: non-bike source for sealed bearing cartridges (6001)
Keywords: hub bearing cartridge
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:49:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I have a pair of Bullseye hubs that use sealed bearing cartridges, and
though the ones that came in the hubs are just fine, I'm looking for a
source for replacements. I know they're available from Bullseye, from
an occasional bike shop, and from Loose Screws (thanks Mark), but the
flyer that came with the hubs bragged that the cartridges used were so
common I'd be able to pick up replacements in a hardware store in Pakistan.

The only other place I've located them is in bearing supply houses,
like King Bearing in San Jose, that only seem to exist in large cities.
Maybe it's just paranoia, but I'd like to be able to find them in little
towns too, there being a lot more of these than cities along the RAAM 
route....

Any suggestions?  What are the damned things used for, anyway, besides
bicycle hubs and rollerblade wheels (a smaller size, I believe)?  The
only visible part of mine says "KBC" and "6001D".
-- 
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RAAM in '93?		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:28:21 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Dec14.034004.23448@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
>I usually ride alone, mostly for the exercise.  Occasionally I'll
>have someone come up and start drafting me for a while, and recently
>I've tried a little drafting myself.  My question is, what are the
>conventions and etiquette for this activity (if any)?

I'd be interested to know too.

I only started riding again about a year and a half ago and have never
ridden with anyone else.

I was riding to work the other day (about 25km) with a bit of a
headwind when someone started drafting me. He followed for about half
an hour and then passed me (nearly hitting a car!) and rode off.

Having someone riding so close to me was quite unsettling as I am not
at all used to it. I normally ride quite defensively, braking early
for potential hazards and the like, and was worried that one of these
maeuvers would have him hitting me.

As I was uncomfortable with it I probably should have just stopped and
forced him to pass. Oh well.

Any comments?
-- 
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Datamark Intl Ltd | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz     Home: 64 4 499 3832
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Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1556 rec.bicycles.racing:879 misc.forsale:33479 dc.forsale:3105
From: mclement@access.digex.com (Matt Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing,misc.forsale,dc.forsale
Subject: For Sale-Basso Graftek
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:13:09 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

 
For Sale
--------
 
   Bike - Basso Graftek, 55cm, Mint condition.  Can't ride now, due to knee 
   injury.  55cm, lugless carbon fiber frame, Shimano 600 Ultegra,
   Campy headset, post; Cinelli bar/stem, Suede Turbo saddle.  
   2 Wheelsets, both Mavic.  Clipless pedals.  Silver/black custom
   paintjob, Imron.  This bike is in brand new condition.  Recently
   appraised at $3,200. 
 
   MUST SELL.  Asking $1000/Best Offer.
   THIS BIKE GOES TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER ON FRIDAY, DEC 18, 1992
 
If interested, please respond via e-mail, or call voice (afternoon/evenings)
at 301-652-9246.

 


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Re: Same geometry as Klein Attitude
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:31:42 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc

cannon@virus1.cannon@virus1.virus.kyoto-u.ad.jp (Kurt Cannon) writes:
>
>I'm using this network for the first time, so forgive my ineptness.  I 
>wonder if any of you Klein experts could tell me the intended purposes and 
>differences in geometry of the Rascal and the Pinnacle?  --K.Cannon

Differences: The rascal has slightly steeper head and seat-tube angles.
	Rascal has track-style rear drop-outs (cut in from the rear)
	Rascal has no braze-on mounts for racks.

Use:	I believe that the Rascal is inteded as a racing bike, where as
	the Pinnacle is more suited to general purpose riding.  That said,
	I don't actually think there's that much difference.   

	I've owned both a Pinnacle and (now) a Rascal.  The switch was
	to move from a 20" to a 19", more than to 'upgrade'.  The reasons
	I chose the Rascal were

	1) I like the available paint job better
	2) I personally like the rear drop-outs
	3) I could get a good deal on the Rascal
	4) I thought the steeper angles would be better for a suspension
	   fork which tends to raise the front (lowering the angles somewhat)
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From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:00:08 GMT
Subject: Flats from Fine Wires
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

I often hear of riders who are getting flats from tiny wires and I
have had the same problem.  If you look carefully, you will notice
that these wires are stainless and that they come from steel belted
car tires.  With the state of the economy and the prevalence of
steel belted tires, more of these are being driven beyond the rubber
to expose the belt.  These wires are found everywhere cars go and as
I mentioned, the only flat I got in the Alps was in France from just
such a wire.  So now I can say that beer cigaretts and Michelin
cause flats.  Beer bottles in the winter when you can't recognize
the broken beer bottles, cigarette induced thorns in the summer
because roadside grass abatement to prevent fires from smokers
prepares barren soil for puncture vine (terrestris horribilis).
This plant will not grow where anything else grows.  It needs barren
arid soil.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: dharvey@lemond.harvey.com (Dave "Hill" Harvey)
Subject: Message from Wayzata
Organization: Harvey Consulting
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:19:39 GMT

I clipped some of your posts to show him during our recent get-together.
Let me say that he didn't seem to be anymore impressed with you guys than
I am. He's got a good sense of humor, by the way. He said the only hills
you guys could climb without walking would be considered Whore's Category
over in Europe. We also agreed that Winning magazine would be garbage
until they get their racing reports out in, like, the same year.

    - Dave
ZZ
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Brilliant!! (Was Freedom, Social Respons....)
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:32:05 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

>Move over, Mel Brooks. The 10,000 Year Old Man has company:
>the 250 Year Old Young Republican.

>--Michael Smith


Wow!  This is the most well thought out and intelligent response I've heard in a
long time. (GEEEZ!!!)
From: bobf@intermec.com (Bob Folline)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Bike rental in the Los Angeles area.
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:22:48 GMT
Reply-To: bobf@intermec.com (Bob Folline)
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

Does anybody know where I can rent or borrow a 59 or 60 cm road
bike in the LA area.

I will be in the area from December 29 to January 4.  Please E-Mail
me if you have any advise.

Specifically I will Be in Ventura, Orange county, San Fernando Valley,
Lancaster/Lake Hughes area, .....


Thanks in advance,

Bob Folline

bobf@intermec.com

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.034004.23448@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
>I usually ride alone, mostly for the exercise.  Occasionally I'll
>have someone come up and start drafting me for a while, and recently
>I've tried a little drafting myself.  My question is, what are the
>conventions and etiquette for this activity (if any)?
>
>
>-- 
>Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com

Well, you really don't need any etiquette rules per se, if you don't want
a person sucking your wheel, tell them.  If a person doesn't want you on their
wheel, they should do the same (or try and drop you...).  Another option is
to just take turns taking pulls with the person.  In short, what I'm saying
is it depends on the people involved, not in any "convention."

Bill
From: landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:26:05 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morocco

> > >I second this question.
> >    KILL IT!  PULL THE PLUG!
> Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot more
> fun and a lot more useful.

It was a lot less fun, since I was interested in only about 10% of the
articles, and had time to read only about 5% of them.  If you have a
decent newsreader, you should still be able to get the same set of
articles.  If you really want it to look like it used to, why don't you
implement a "newsgroup union" feature in your newsreader?

Despite my initial objections (my lack of interest in road biking made
me want to see a r.b.mtb subgroup), I find the current situation a vast
improvement on the old way.  Now I can much more easily decide which
subsets of articles I have time to read.

> ... sounded good at the time to many people, but it's a failure.

I think it's a complete success, despite the grumblings of a few.
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