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From: obbe@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Obbe Vermey)
Subject: HELP with Module-names
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:52:10 GMT

I encountered the following problem :

os9 stores the used executables in memory and when someone
else starts up the same program the program is not 
loaded in memory a second time but the same code is
used again.
This ofcourse is very efficient.
The problems start when you have two versions of
the same program. If you'd like to run the two versions
simultaniously os9 won't let you. When you start up the
2nd version os9 will use the first which is already in
memory. os9 doesnot care whether the length is not
the same,and renaming one of the two versions won't
help either since os9 recognizes the programs by some
internal name.
I guess there must be a possibility to change this
internal name (which can be seen using DUMP) but
I don't know how to do it.

Can somebody help me ?
				Obbe Vermeij.
				obbe@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
From: rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Russell E. Hoffman, II)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Wanted: Product reviews
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:13:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0eh15Ny00WBME575oP
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Folks,
  I was just wondering, if for the benefit of those of us who aren't so
luck as to have access to all the neato new OS9 tools and toys, if
anybody out there would be willing to write some reviews on some of the
newer OS9 commercial stuff. For example, X11, ISP, mshell, G-windows, et
cetera. I mean, there's always the Microware literature, but I was
wondering if anybody who actually owns some of this stuff would be
willing to give some comments on it. 

Much appreciated,
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From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones)
Subject: Re: HELP telling socket from terminal
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:51:27 GMT

In article <88358@netnews.upenn.edu> mark@ginger.biophys.upenn.edu (Mark Elliott) writes:
>	Does anyone know how an OS9 program can tell if a path number refers to
>a SCF, RBF, or socket device. The _iobuf structure in <stdio.h> gives some bit
>codes (_SCF, _RBF). Do they belong to _iobuf._flag? What about identifying the
>path as a socket?

Those flags are really more the moral equivalent of what in ANSI C is the
setting for full buffering, line buffering, or nonbuffering of streams.
To find out for sure what sort of path you have, you will need to get the
path descriptor option section for the path and look at the first field
therein, which is essentially a variant tag that says what file manager
deals with the path.

	James Jones
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest)
Subject: Re: how to do concurrent read/write on terminal?
Keywords: input output
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:31:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.223924.5962@mcs.anl.gov> saunders@aps.anl.gov writes:
>I have a control program (in Microware-C) running under OS-9 which 
>accepts commands from /t1 and also periodically writes to /t1. 
>There is a separate fork'ed process for reading commands and 
>for periodic writes. (There are reasons behind this design.)
>
>The problem is that the gets() in the consuming process sleeps and prevents
>the producing process from getting characters out to the terminal.
>
>Is there any way of solving this without installing a signal intercept
>function and grabbing unbuffered characters one at a time with getchar()?
>That solution is essentially duplicating the driver.
>
>Is there some mode I can set that will allow printf's while another process
>is sitting in gets()? Do I need to open() additional file descriptors?

It is inherent in the scf file manager that you cannot do this.  We
wrote our own file manger for an application because it was so central
to our project.  Without doing that, yes, you have to do the signal
game.  Look at any of the terminal programs (sterm, kermit) for
examples on how this is done.

This is, to me, one of OS-9's less attractive features.  If Microware
saw it as crucial to a large project (i.e.:  "change this feature, and
we'll buy a 5,000-copy license"), they just *might* change it for you.
More likely is a custom version of scf that you pay extra for.  Even
more likely is, "This is that way it is.  Take it or leave it."

Mark
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From: mark@ginger.biophys.upenn.edu (Mark Elliott)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: HELP telling socket from terminal
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:47:43 GMT


	Does anyone know how an OS9 program can tell if a path number refers to
a SCF, RBF, or socket device. The _iobuf structure in <stdio.h> gives some bit
codes (_SCF, _RBF). Do they belong to _iobuf._flag? What about identifying the
path as a socket?




Mark Elliott                       |     
Dept of Radiology                  |     Voice: (215) 898-9357
University of Pennsylvania         |     FAX  : (215) 573-2113
Philadelphia, PA 19104 USA         |     Email: mark@ginger.biophys.upenn.edu
From: maxed@athen (Hr. Ahn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: Strange problem with setjmp()/longjmp() in OS9
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:52:08 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Peter Dibble (dibble@microware.com) wrote:
: I've tried to reproduce the setjmp()/longjmp from a signal
: handler problem.  I can't.
  [-deleted-]: 
: It doesn't fail.  Did I fail to build a test that does the right (wrong) 
: thing? Or is it failing to fail because I'm using the very latest
: (not shipping) kernel... or maybe there's something about
: the MVME167...

Yeah, maybe... I'm still running way old version 2.2 of OS-9 and I had
many problems with intercept routines in combination with the cio trap lib.

(I wrote my own signal() on top of intercept() to be a bit more unix
compatible and use it in many applications, including those that use
the cio traplib). But when I rewrote the keyboard input routine for jove
(Jonathan's Own Version od Emacs, which is far superior to the shipped
umacs) and used _ss_sig() to trigger the keyboard input to a fifo, I
got nasty garbage characters in the fifo when I used cio (but everything 
worked perfectly fine if I use the normal library).

I just thought: perhaps it's the combination of longjmp() with cio?!?

Oh yeah, by the way, I had problems with signals + longjmp, too, partly
because the "interrupt cleanup code" of the intercept() handling routine
is never executed when you leave it by longjmp(). So the F$Rte is not
called, and this sends you off somewhere else pretty soon.

I had this problem when I tried to compile old bsd uucp (which times out
every 20 seconds and expects to return to some restart point by using
longjmp() from the alarm() routine. [gnuucp doesn't do that, luckily].

Hope it helps..
     Martin
 
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From: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: OS9, In search of...
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:28:32 GMT
Organization: Just Computers!

Does anybody in this group have a copy of OS9 that is sitting on their
shelf that they would like to sell?  I am looking for OS9, the C Compiler
for it and whatever else I need to get going on a Coco III.  Thanks.

Randy Just
uonline@infoserv.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:07:32 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: HELP telling socket from terminal
Reply-To: blarson@usc.edu
From: blarson@blars.UUCP

In article <1992Sep10.185127.1343@microware.com> jejones@microware.com (James Jones) writes:
>In article <88358@netnews.upenn.edu> mark@ginger.biophys.upenn.edu (Mark Elliott) writes:
>>	Does anyone know how an OS9 program can tell if a path number refers to
>>a SCF, RBF, or socket device.

>To find out for sure what sort of path you have, you will need to get the
>path descriptor option section for the path and look at the first field
>therein, which is essentially a variant tag that says what file manager
>deals with the path.

#include <sgstat.h>

struct sgbuf buffer;
_gs_opt(fileno(filepointer), &buffer);

buffer.sg_class will contain different value for different file
managers (scf, rbf, etc.)

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		C news and rn for os9/68k!
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							-- Barbarella
From: martin@cs.unc.edu (Kevin Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: X PROBLEMS & QUESTIONS
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:49:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.115758.18961@athena.mit.edu>, nmp08@rz.uni-kiel.dbp.de (9-SEP-1992 13:53:08.56) writes:
|>                                                    when scrolling through
|> the man pages there will be sometimes garbage in the window. It seems as if the
|> bitblt-routines or the font cache of the 8514-Server is causing the problem. 

The problem here is not with the 8514/A X server, but with xman itself.
There is a fix for xman which will hopefully be included in the next
(2.0?) release from Orest.  (Orest?)


Kevin
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From: lien@lysator.liu.se (Jan Lien)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: gcc install doc
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:25:11 GMT
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden


Regarding the gcc install files.  I have read the README, as well as
all releasenotes, and the FAQ.  Most of the contents seem directed
to unix gurus, and treats mainly compiler options or if it is ANSI
compliant.  I just want a gcc so I can compile and install programs
I find in the archives, and maybe later on adjust programs I have
slightly.  A C compiler seems to be essential on a unix system,
that's why I want it.  I might get the fortran to c converter,
because I have written short programs in fortran before.  I am NOT a
programmer.  I DO NOT know C.  I do not have the time to learn all
about C now. If I cannot get gcc to work without much perspiration, I
will just kick it out - and never learn or use C...    Most of the
people who have replied to me have just said "read the README!".  But
the README does NOT answer the questions I have - if it does, please
point i out to me, and I will apologize for my stupidity.

By the way, I managed to boot and install linux without much trouble.
I managed to get mtools on line, and after that emacs, and ka9q.
Thanks to all those kind souls who provided those packages,
especially to Jim Winstead, as I had very few problems in that
installation!  This should mean I am not a completely stupid asshole?

What the gcc README does not tell me:

-  does not give me any information on what to do about the fact that
   linux truncates filenames longer than 14 characters.  The install
   script does not seem to complain about it, when I tested it, now.
   But there should definetly be a remark there about this.
-  where files will end up (new directories, plus most important what
   files go into existing directories).
-  how to uninstall gcc
-  what procedures the install script actually performs:    simply
   untar all archives, or does it do something else?
-  does the install script actually check that all files are where
   they should, that it works?
-  I don't understand the final remarks in the install file.

   Please get rid of all the -"nostdinc -I" from the Makefiles in
   kernel sources and then do a fresh "make dep".

   What is -nostdinc ???   make dep  on my linux just gives me
   make: command not found
-  where I find gdb
-  where and how do I find a "make" to install
-  what do I have to do if I decide to move my kernel source to
   another directory

I do not want to have to become a unix guru just to use linux.
Then I could as well do something productive, like program an old IBM
360 with punch cards :-)

This was not a flame, just a comment.  I appreciate that HJ has spent
effort on the gcc compiler.  I simply didn't get it working anyway.
I volunteer to improve the install doc, IF AND ONLY IF, I get to the
point that understand (or think I understand) how it works.
From: baron@clifton.hobby.nl (Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Switching Video Modes in X (KEYS)
Organization: Minix Hobbynet Host
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 1992 22:00:17 MDT

ramirez@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu () writes:
> 	I am sorry to bother everyone with this, but I forgot what key sequence
> for changing to the different video mode in XFree86 (X386).
> 	I could not find this anywhere.

Ctrl-Alt-KeypadPlus    for the next video mode in your Xconfig
Ctrl-Alt-KeypadMinus   for the previous video mode
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace     for exiting X, no questions asked
Ctrl-Alt-Del           for rebooting the whole machine, no questions asked

It's in x386.1, but I learned it very quickly by heart.

Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell)
Subject: No patchlevel 3. 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Home for Three Headed Canines
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:54:37 +0000


In article <bjl.715932240@freyr> B.J.Lippolt@research.ptt.nl writes:

>
>joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep7.215429.7866@umr.edu> dminer@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu (Dan> Miner) writes:
>>>wait a little (~100K? for that one).  Now, I got pl4 and ready for
>>>an all night compile (it takes over 5 hrs on my machine.. :(  )
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>machines?  I seem to recall about 15 minutes for a recompilation.
>
>This depends highly on your machine. I've got a 486/33-8M and it takes
>just under 10 minutes. I've seen others with the same configuration
>mentioning the same time, so I guess that's fairly normal for this type
>of machine. I wouldn't be suprised if it takes 5 hours on a 386SX/16-2M.
>
>
>Ben Lippolt
>
>
With only 2M it'll be too busy swapping to compile any thing
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: PETM@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de
Subject: Version numbers & Compatibility
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:46:52 GMT

Hello,
As I am new to Linux and planning to install it with X11 on my machine,
I have to following questions:
  o which is the newest version of Linux (and where can I get it)?
  o which is the newest version of a Linux-X11 port and what is X386?
  o which X11 version works with the corresponding Linux version
    (I've heard that there have been some difficulties)
  o which GNU-C/C++ compiler do I have to use to recompile X11?
  o Is there any german keyboard device driver?
I know that these questions belong to FAQ's but I think that it is a real
problem of Linux that nobody knows the current versions and their
compatibilities to existing application software until he makes his own
(errorful) experiences, maybe one should create a regularly posted
(and proved) 'error magazine' to avoid such problems.
 
Thanks,
            Thomas Mueller (petm@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de)
From: jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: RAM Disk Trouble (Solved)
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:59:44 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR

In article <1992Sep4.201646.20874@athena.mit.edu> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.160053.4330@athena.mit.edu> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
>>I tried to use the RAM disk tonight but ran into a bit of a problem. I
>>compiled the kernel with the RAM disk support. Then made a file system
>>using the command mkfs /dev/ram 512 and mounted /dev/ram. However, I
>>keep getting I/O error messages relating to thr RAM disk. Did I use
>>the correct procedure in using the RAM disk? (I couldn't find anything
>>in the FAQ). If so, what would be the source of trouble here? Any help
>>is appreciated.
>
>I found out that the minor device number for /dev/ram in the root disk
>0.97.1 is inaccurate. It should be 1 rather than 0. No problem now.
>Jim, will you please fix that in the next release?

Done - I had asked around about this before, but was apparently fed
bad information.  :)  Sorry for the confusion.
-- 
                                    +      Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95)
                                    |      Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
                                    |   jwinstea@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
                                    + or jwinstea@fenris.Claremont.EDU
From: Rob.Levin@f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: clearing SUID bit on writes
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 08:10:00 -0800

 i> Careful! I don't know if you want to support mandatory record
locking,
 i> but if you do you need to keep the sgid bit set on writes if all
the
 i> execute bits are clear. I don't know anybody who's ever used
mandatory
 i> locking, so this may be a red herring, but it's worth thinking
about.

Mandatory locking is explicitly not supported by POSIX.1, if this
helps.


Rob L.


 * Origin: Via the Annex in Victoria, TX (1:3802/217)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Subject: Re: Want to buy a linux PC...
Reply-To: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:58:24 GMT

hlu@poly2.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:

>I am running 0.97 pl 4 and X11 v2.0 on 386/387sx-16 with 4 MB RAM and 105 MB
>HD. It works fine so far. I think I can use another 4MB RAM. You can get those
>for about $1,000 in US with 1MB ET4000 SVGA. But I'd like to have a 486dx-33
>or 50.

Looking at my handy copy of the "Computer Shopper," (Sept '92)
Hi-Tech (a random choice) is selling a 386/40 with 64K MB cache, 4M ram,
120M 16MS IDE HD, 1.2 & 1.44 floppies, with monitor and your choice of Diamond
speedstar or Orchid IIs for $1198.

The company I bought my 486/50 from (similar config, except 170M IDE + 
localbus G-HOST4000 Hi-color video) is offering it for $2188.  (Microlink,
pg 154-5).


At this stage in the game, for about $800, you get about 8 time the 
performance... and the ability to later pop in an 'overdrive chip' and
have a 486dx2/100...   

Of course, prices are still falling rapidly... so you might want to wait a
few months... 
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From: eoi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Chenmin Zhang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: final touch on installing gcc 2.2.2d
Keywords: final touch on installing gcc 2.2.2d
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:38:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


    After boring naming and renaming sequence (since I have to get file
to DOS floppy through binary ftp and carry back home), I have nearly
finished installing gcc 2.2.2d .  Thanks all the people who have give
me all valuable suggestions.

   I watched out the installation procedure very carefully. After I typied
the "sh install.2.x 2.2.2d /usr/src/linux" where /usr/src/linux is the place
I keep kernel 0.97 (after uncompress, untar), the process goes smoothly
without any complaning about missing file, hundred files are created and
scatted all over the place.  Finally comes to this point:

     ..................... 
     install jump table 
     do you kave kernel source on line [y/n]
     y        /* I respond */
     igore the error message
     no more error message
     Fixing the file
     chown: bin: invalid group
     chown: bin: invalid group
     Done!  gcc 2.2.2d has been installed
     please get rid of all the "-nostdinc -I" from the Makefile in kernel source
                and then do a fresh make dep



      I followed the instruction and commented out  ONE line in Makefile, but
when I typied "make dep", I got
     " unknown command make" or something like that.  I checked all the
/bin, /usr/bin, /usr/etc,.... and couldn't find "make".  I don't know if the
last error is related to the "chown" error I got.  How can I fix both errors?

     Thanks to all the people who has helped me or going to.

--------
new comer
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sph1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (stephen.p.hill)
Subject: minicom
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:05:14 GMT
Keywords: minicom, cursor keys

Around the 97pl0 timeframe, the cursor keys under minicom 
stopped working for me.  I changed several things at the 
same time, so I am not sure what the problem is.  I hope 
that someone else has seen this and can help me since I 
havn't a clue what the problem is.  (This is true on a 
VC or under X, even with 'Enable Application Cursor Keys' )

Thanks for the help!
Stephen Hill
sph1@cbnewse.att.com
sph@ihlpe.ih.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Data Technology DTC3180 SCSI Controller (Will it work)
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:20:17 GMT

In article <Bu0zKF.B9J@ruacad.ac.runet.edu> eoakes@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Ed Oakes) writes:
>I guess the subject about sums it up.  
>
>I am trying to help a friend install Linux on his new 486.  He was told he
>was getting an Adaptec board, but it showed up with a DTC instead.  Is 
>there any way to get this thing to work, or should he send it back and 
>demand an Adaptec? 

If it's not adaptec compatable, he should send it back and demmand an
Adaptec.
-- 
Microsoft is responsible for propogating the evils it calls DOS and Windows, 
IBM for AIX (appropriately called Aches by those having to administer it), but 
marketing's sins don't come close to those of legal departments.
Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit.
From: baron@clifton.hobby.nl (Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: problems getting 800x600 out off an ET-4000
Organization: Minix Hobbynet Host
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:54:32 MDT

obz@sisd.kodak.com (Orest Zborowski COMP) writes:
> this is indeed true. 

Yes, I now have found out too. Marvellous, this gives me 1024x768 with no
absurd scrolling, and I can start twiddling the numbers. Thanks to you all.
NB: It should be incorporated in one or the other faq/readme/tutorial.

The letters do come up quite tiny on my 14'' monitor, though :-). 

Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst
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