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From: tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox)
Subject: snore
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:43:24 GMT

Ed Lor and Dave Meek.

Please flame on E Mail.

It is getting tiring and boring.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Re: ALL STATE OF MICHIGAN TEAM!!!!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:19:21 GMT

In article <55732@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <vad-k0-@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>>Glen Rice (Star of NBA Play-off team....will be All-Star next year)6'9 SF
>Rice is maybe 6'7"
	       ^^^^
	       When named to the Basketball Digest All-Rookie team a couple of
	       years ago he was listed as 6'4".
	       Talk about late growth spurt.
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:27:24
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov's message of 14 Aug 92 14:59:44 GMT

>>>>> "Wayne" == Wayne C. Cook <m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov> writes:
  Wayne> Blow me with the ultimatum.  A scientific study isn't necessary to
  Wayne> see the obvious.  All other factors being equal, the player who jumps
  Wayne> higher and is quicker is better.

Russ Smith deflated your tired thesis so I won't bother again. 

But I ask again, do you have the results of *any* reasoned experiment that
claims that the correlation between skin color and basketball skill is
*directly* attributable to that genetic makeup? Put up or shut up.

I don't care if every African-American in North America could do a 360 slam
dunk. It would not *necessarily* imply that it was directly attributable to
their genetic makeup. That might be a nice place to start an experiment,
but you couldn't assume it to begin with.

But this is exactly what quite a few clowns on this group are claiming to
the discredit of both black people and white people. Just because you say
it's so doesn't make it true.

--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.

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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Shoe teams
Keywords: n
  
  
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:20:17 GMT

    I thought Shaq signed with Reebok.


>
>	BK:  Derrick Coleman
>
>	Feel free to add to the list.  Any comments?  From 1st glance,
>	it would appear that LA Gear would have the inside game hands down.
>
>	Jazzy J
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  "I am human and I need to be loved,            | Jazzy J                   |
>|   just like everybody else does..." - The Smiths| jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: it's official: Bird is gone
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:48:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


12:00 noon, Boston:

Introduced by comments from Red Auerbach and Dave Gavitt, including the 
declaration that he will be remembered as one of the "top five" players in 
basketball history, plus Gavitt's assessment that there was never a greater 
player "from the shoulders up and from his wrists to his fingertips", Larry 
Bird announced his retirement. He said that the idea of playing only home 
games next season is not an idea that he would consider because that simply 
isn't his approach to basketball or to anything. It had to be all or nothing. 
He said he "didn't want to go out this way" (meaning with a bad back), but 
that it isn't a sad day for him. He said "the daily competition" is what 
he'll miss most of all, that his life now would be "really boring", and that
adjusting to no more professional playing is going to be very difficult for
him. He said that his goal had always been to win 5 NBA championships with 
the Celtics, but that it didn't happen, and so "we still have to work to do",
indicating that he intends to stay a part of Celtics operations. He even
said that he "can't" sell his house in the Boston area because of the
memories it holds for him. In q&a with the press, he offered a few career
reminiscences:

Dennis Johnson: "The best player I ever played with."
Robert Parish: "The best teammate I ever played with."
M.L. Carr: "The funnest player." (Typical Birdism.)
Kevin McHale: "The best inside player in the game."
Michael Cooper: "The best defensive player I ever faced. 
                  I'll take that with me to my grave."

He identified the Celtics' 80s rivalry with the Philadelphia 76ers as the
best of his career, even better than the later Lakers playoffs. 

Things are suddenly very quiet up here.
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: 1992 CBA Draft
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:03:57 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

1992 CBA Draft:

# Team		Player			Position School
- ------------- ----------------------- -------- ------------------------------
1 Grand Rapids	Rod Sellers		F	 UConn 
2 Wichita Falls Alex Blackwell		F	 Monmouth
3 Fort Wayne	Craig Upchurch		F	 Houston
4 Grand Rapids  Dexter Cambridge	F	 Texas
5 Sioux Falls	David Wesley		G	 Baylor
6 Grand Rapids  Herb Jones		G	 Cincinnati
7 Quad City	Harold Ellis		G	 Morehouse (Ga)
8 Rochester	Eric Anderson		F	 Indiana
9 Columbus	Paul Afeaki		C	 Utah
10 Sioux Falls	Joe Courtney		F	 Southern Miss.
11 Fargo-Moorhead Jim Havrilla		C	 Western Michigan
12 Rockford	Sheldon Owens		F	 Shaw (NC)
13 Omaha	Marques Bragg		F	 Providence
14 Quad City	Benford Williams	F	 Texas
15 Tri-City	Jo Jo English		G	 South Carolina
16 Rapid City	Bob Martin		C	 Minnesota
17 Tri-City	Sean Woods		G	 Kentucky

--Rob Clough
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT vs. Kukoc
Date: 12 Aug 92 03:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.030024.14157
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic) writes:

>Of course, this holds true for many NBA players.  If they had been
>drafted by strong teams, they may have never developed as players.

There are those players that come off the bench and kill for a game or
two, then disappear.  You always wonder what would happen if they were
to be allowed to play more minutes ...

>IMHO, I will disagree on this New Jersey - Petrovic analysis.  Unless 
>you mean he is an average defender, passer, rebounder etc. for his
>position.   

No, I don't think he's average, I think he's below average in these
categories.  The Blazers didn't need skills from him in those particular
areas, but he showed a real reluctance to fill the role they had him
penciled in for: gunner off the bench.  Danny Young was a much better
ball handler and defender.  When it was obvious that Petro wasn't going
to take many, if any, of Clyde's minutes, they tried him at point and he
was awful.  I wasn't tremendously impressed by Ainge's ability to run an
offense either.  Shooting guards with the passing ability of Drexler,
Jordan, or Pippen are not common.  It takes a different mindset, and I
don't think that even these guys play their best without a point in
their controlling things.

>Sounds like Kukoc could fit in at small forward for Houston? :-) :-)

Doesn't sound ridiculous to me.  With Hakeem/Thorpe/Smith, you've got a
lot of rebounding muscle.  You need some scoring, and more passing from
somewhere besides the point would help.  


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From: amadi@break.engin.umich.edu (Amadi Nwankpa)
Subject: Re: ALL STATE OF MICHIGAN TEAM!!!!
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:38:39 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: amadi@break.engin.umich.edu


   Also from Michigan :

  Willie Burton       Miami  Heat
  Roy Marble         Atlanta  Hawk??
  Anthony Buford      Cinncinati Bearcats (Future Pro)
  Demetrious Gore      Pittsburgh Panthers 
  Mark  Hughes         Pistons Benchwarmer



                                 Amadi  Nwankpa
                                 CAEN
                                 Univ  of Michigan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Subject: Re: Danny Ferry - Did he err?
Reply-To: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:32:51 GMT

In <23931@oasys.dt.navy.mil>,  swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
 >Did Danny Ferry err when he opted to play for an Italian team instead
>of signing with the Los Angeles Clippers?
>
>By signing and playing with the Clippers, Ferry surely would have gotten
>a lot of playing time in NBA and establish his reputation as a NBA star.

Well, that would be a good idea, except for the fact that he sucks....



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Bird Bids Aloha!
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:15:57 GMT



	Larry Bird Retired.
	Details on Sportscenter.

--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:55:22 GMT
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

>> Bennet Ih <bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM> 

>> [ deleted stuff commenting on how lateral speed and jumping ability is important
>> for defense but not as important on offense ]

> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)

> Organized basketball is too different a game from pickup to provide much
> insight into basketball skills. Especially defensively, where in a pickup
> game the concept is a dirty word. There's also very little concept of
> offensive plays, picks, offensivie positioning. On an organized team, you'd
> better be good at these things or the other team will eat you alive.

I'm sorry but I don't think you said anything to refute my point. If some one has
slow feet, he is a defensive liability, especially in the NBA where zones are 
prohibited.  For example in the recent NBA finals, whenever Jordan was matched 
up against Ainge, the Bulls just ran an isolation for Jordan. Ainge described this 
predicament as "When I saw that I just started calling for [defensive] help."  

And the fact that organized teams run plays (we do too BTW since I play with the
same guys and we've entered several hoops tournaments) only strengthens my
point that a player with other skills can still be effective on offense even without 
being able to fly. But as I said, he cannot create his own shot. He has to rely on 
picks, ball movement and correct floor spacing to get a good shot. Someone like 
Jordan on the other hand can just about score whenever he feels like it. 

-Bennet
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From: rstewart@ganglia.megatek.uucp (Rich Stewart)
Subject: Re: Bulls sign top pick
Reply-To: megatek!rstewart@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:46 GMT

In article <yzhou.713656236@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou) writes:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       Chicago Tribune reported that the Bulls signed Byron Houston to a
>multi-year contract Wednesday. The club did not release terms of the deal,
>but the Chicago Tribune said that Houston signed a four-year contract
>estimated at $2.6 million plus incentives.
>
>        He is expected to be tried at both forward positions with the Bulls,
>subbing for Scottie Pippen at the No. 3 spot and for Horace Grant at
>power forward.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>    I just don't see how he can play power forward with 6-4 in the NBA.
>
>    Any comments?
>
  	 Charles Barkley

-Rich
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Racism in athletics
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:43:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug12.101929.1@uncavx.unca.edu> strauss@uncavx.unca.edu writes:
>There sure is a lot of racial nonsense out there!  If 90+% of the
>basketball players and sprinters are black, then why are the other
>good teams (Croatia, etc.) 100% white?  

Do they have a choice. How many brothers are there in Yugo-land?
Russia? Lithuania? 

> Why is the 110 m hurdles record STILL held by a white?

Ahhh... Roger Kingdom is a 6'0 195lb black dude... 

>
>I think that cultural factors are much more important. As mentioned, 
>there were Jewish, Irish etc. boxers in the 1930s. Also runners, and basket
>ball players. Seems each immigrant group works up via athletics. The
>blacks have just been denied longer. Eventually, there will be more
>black doctors and engineers than basketball players. Happens in 
>other countries.

There already are... the discussion, if we could ever remove all the emotional
ranting and raving should try to center on the factors in our society which 
move young brothers to believe their only chance in life is through athletic 
prowess. If we understand that, maybe we can change it. I do not believe for 
one nanosecond that this net is not the place to get that done... but it's a 
start.

-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: cba/nba?
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:15:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


Ok, I still don't get it. This Monmouth guy, Alex Blackwell, gets signed by
the Lakers, drafted #2 in the CBA by Wichita Falls, then traded to a different
CBA team....all in the space of two days. Does this 2nd CBA team get to keep
his rights, whether or not he stays on the Lakers roster?

A similar thing happened with Dell Demps (whoever he is). He's been signed
by an NBA team (Milwaukee? San Antonio?) but was also drafted by a CBA team
about a week later.

How can a signed NBA player be drafted by the CBA? Is it legal for him to have 
two separate contracts since the two leagues are two separate entities? Does
a player simply decide if he wants to make himself eligible for both leagues?
I'd guess that he'd do this in a case where he knows he'll be questionable in
the NBA, but assured of $$$$ and playing time in the CBA.

In other CBA draft notes, I see the re-emergence of one of the greatest names
in sports history - Smokey McCovery. Where has he been, Europe?

                                           -stuart@apollo.hp.com
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Date: 18 Aug 1992 14:02:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

> There has been quite a bit of talk about teh american olympic baskeball
> team and how easily they won but you have to consider the fact that
> the U.S.S.R. and the Yugoslavian team weren't together as a complete
> force.

That's a good point. Remember that the Ladies Dream Team was also considered
unbeatable until they were upended by the Unified Team. The Unified women
won in almost an identical way that the Soviet men did 4 years ago: they took
care of the ball and thus had few turnovers that could lead to fast break baskets.
By forcing the Dreamettes into a half court game they kept the score close and
pulled out the win in the end.

I still think the US men would have beaten either the USSR or Yugoslavia but those
games would have been much more interesting than any in the Olympics.

> I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
> played.

> They even look better on paper

OK, now we are starting to get silly.

> Luc Longely is aparently one of the biggest stars in the N.B.A

Where did you hear that from? I don't think anyone who follows the NBA considers
Longley's rookie campaign to be an impressive one. Mediocre is being charitable.

> Andrew Gaze scores 44ppg as opposed to MJ 29ppg

This doesn't even deserve a reply.

[more Aussie team stuff deleted]

> You will probably read tyhis and think that it is B.S but I what both leagues
> you probably haven't seen the ausralians play.  

True, I haven't really seen any of the Aussie league play but I HAVE seen Longley and Gaze.
Both are good players but Longley has hardly taken the NBA by storm. Gaze is a good
player but he ain't no Michael Jordan. 

And if the Aussie team was so good, where were they in the medal round? Just wondering.

-Bennet
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:05:28 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <e8ug03QP59xw00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>>SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
>>				Is this Tito Horford you're talking about?
>I thought Tito went to UMiami? I'm thinking of the white kid who was the senior
>leadership of the Chris Jackson/Shaq/Stanley Roberts teams. I can't remember
>his name but he had a solid all-around game and always seemed to get that key 
>rebound or make the clutch shot. 

Why, you're talking about Ricky Blanton, the pride of my alma mater, Killian
High.  As I recall, he had to bulk up and actually play center for D**e B***n.
He was on the 86 Final Four team and was taken in the second round in 1989 by
Phoenix.  Miami could have taken him but took Scott Hafner instead.  He has not
played in the NBA due to constantly being injured.  Knees, I believe.

--Rob
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Keywords: I'ts over
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:23:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug20.142308.67448
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.210235.25502@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.191136.40466@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.150120.24198@bmerh85.bnr.ca> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>attempt at it.  
>Lighten up, Meek. What would you do had that guy not followed your suggestion
>of stoppage? Are you going to threaten him that you would notify his 
>postmaster again? 

No, I figured you would argue with him that the post was incorrect due to
his misstating something and continue the argument for a few monthes..

>>When you forge the address from the mail header, don't forget
>>that the audit trail for replies points back to you, Mr. "bmerh85.bnr.ca"...
>Just a reminder, Meek, at least have some common sense of usenet by checking
>out his path name. 
>
>   Path: .....!bnrgate!bmerh85!bnr.ca!stu1d46
>

Hey, Lo...  Don't worry about it, I am perfectly capable of doing just that
if I wanted to bother. It wasn't that important for me to list his login name,
as that doesn't tell me much either.
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Laker signings
Date: 14 Aug 1992 10:52:14 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu
Summary: James Edwards and Sean Higgins

I read in the paper today that the Lakers have signed James Edwards,
late of the Clippers, and Sean Higgins, last seen in Orlando (?) to
contracts.  The paper said that Higgins is 6'9'', but didn't say if
he's a PF or SF, can someone remind me what his game is like?

Here's what the Laker roster seems like to me:

G: Threatt, Scott, Peeler, [Magic?], Cooper (?), Smith (?)
F: Worthy, Perkins, Green, Campbell, Higgins (?)
C: Divac, Edwards, Haley (?)

Can someone in LakerLand give us an update on some of these guys?
In particular, what are the chances of Duane Cooper and Tony Smith
for making the team?  Is Haley still around?  I know Teagle's gone,
is there someone I'm forgetting about?

Thanks,

chris
goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu