HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: musings on relationships (was: Re: Crossing the Line )
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:15:16 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov19.220053.5174@shearson.com> wcheung@shearson.com writes:
>
>i think most of the problems stems from a failure to properly communicate 
>with one another.
>

Yeah, right.

>
>respects. however, there are major differences in the subtle nuances of 
>femalese, nuances that just could not be translated into malese because such 
>concepts are extremely difficult to comprehend.
>

Well, so how do you explain the American way of refusing the opposite sex?
May be it's CULTURAL DIFFERENCE's turn, right?

>
>would any fluent femalese speakers help this poor soul out and aid him in 
>learning the subtle nuances of femalese ? :)
>

Fred is fine (or I am fine, if you're talking about me indirectly).  Once he 
bump into a free rider he'd learn everything.

>
>guys to this day have not figured out what females are looking for. 
>

Exactly!  Most guys don't know what the female free-riders' *intentions* are.  
If they do they will not feel like a fool after meeting those females!


*****


Once again, there are many free riders out there who just disgrace the good
ladies such as W. Cheung (I beg your pardon, are you female?).  

It is such a great sin to manipulate a person by his/her feelings.  It's
unforgivable abuse.  To me those free riders are just bimbos.  Call them
chicks if you will!  You see, the only difference between the two is the 
level of physical intimacy involved.  What a disgrace!  Ack thfppt!

Oh, but if any of you is a bimbo by default, or if by subconscious efforts,
or if Memphisto* is driving your thoughts, never mind.


Regards,

- Louis Pang (segmentation_fault@um.cc.umich.edu)


*If I remember correctly, Memphisto is the infamous devil in Goethe's 
 masterpiece "Faust".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Patten/political reform discussions
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:31:26 GMT

At the suggestion of John Ho, I am posting some articles from the news archive of the Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese in the United States (AHKCUS) regarding Chris Patten, his political reform blueprint, and international reactions and editorials.  

I hope this will help those of us overseas better understand the issues, and also help those in HK reading this understand how some of the overseas opinions are toward the reforms.  

Charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: man@king.ecn.purdue.edu (Man Fai Tam)
Subject: Re: Is it right to eat dog?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:47:44 GMT


Dog is a delicious food, especially in winter. I used to eat dog a lot
when I was very young. Even in Hong Kong, killing dog is illegal, you
can eat it in New Territories. When I was very young, I used to eat dogs
in a farm in N.T. Just you don't get caught. If you are travelling in
China, you should not miss this delicious food. 

I don't think there is any moral standard forbiding you eating anything
except human. If you really want to observe all moral standards, your
result is to be a vegitarian. In India, cow is treated as a holy animal.
So, you should not eat cow. In Buddist's view, you should not eat any
animals. Therefore, it depends on whether you want to eat dog. There 
should not have any moral standard you need to follow. So, if you want
to, go ahead and try. I am quite sure you will find it a wonderful food
on the table. If you don't, don't try it.

In Chinese culture, a lot of pets are delicious food, like cat, rabbit.
Even monkey's brian is delicious. So, what's the moral standard in
Chinese culture? The answer is "eating is fortune", 'sik de si fook'.

---Kelvin Tam


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lhf@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Leung Ho-Fung)
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in Chinese culture
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:50:08 GMT

Raju.Daryanani@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani) writes:


>This is news to me.  I thought in Chinese culture you always became a ghost when you die, hence ancestor worship.  If people are reincarnated why go an worship at your ancestors' graves?  Could someone shed light on this?

According to Confucism, one does not 'worship' one's ancestors.  One just needs
to 'show respect' to the ancestors, 'as if they were still alive.'  When one's
ancestors were still alive, one needs to respect and love them.  When they
passed away, one shows his love and respect by cleaning their graves, etc.
It is wrong to worship them.
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:01:08 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <6556@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> lyndon@Sol34.essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H) writes:

>In my opinion, he ties his political future to the HK. He is trying to do
>something in HK to earn a better reputation for the next election (may be in 
>1997!). I don't blame him for this, after all, it is his career.

Oh come on you people are being ridiculous.  Patten has retired
from British politics.  How do you think he got the governorship
?  They only give jobs like that to ***EX***-politicans. 

>However, HK people are smart enough not to believe any side. PRC has a
>"reputation" of breaking promises - so the 84 joint-agreement and basic law
>are just empty documents. Patten, in his reform package, does give HK people
>a chance to secure what they have - hence it is popular.  I think Patten
>and HK people are of the relationship : mutual benefit if it works.

Think about it, if PRC wants to keep things quiet and turn back
the reforms in 1997 then why don't they just keep their mouths
shut and wait till 1997.  Why do you think they are actively
trying to kill the idea now ?  Everytime Zhu Rongji say something
about Patten's reforms the stock markets go crazy.  

The point is once Patten's reform is in place, it is that much
harder for China to reverse it in 1997.  Think of the
international pressure !  If China can kill Patten's reform now
then they don't have to worry about it anymore.  That's the
reason why we have to support it.  

As for the UK making heaps of money out of HK.  They can do it
whether or not China agrees.  So that's no argument at all. 
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: **** A few questions on George Lam ****
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:01:33 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1e6pc7INNeev@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> stong@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Simon Tong) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.200021.17504@news.cs.indiana.edu> <juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>> [stuff deleted]
>>	
>>	Can't think of anything to post.  If you want more info, don't
>>	hesitate to ask.
>>
>
>OK, a few questions off the top of my head :-
>

I will have three Final exams this week.  Can't ans all the question but
I'll check with the magazine that I have.  Will post the ans. next week.

Yes, I have three Finals.  I won't have any major exam in December!

Julia

  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Lun Yuen Ngai)
Subject: YCKMC Alumni Club
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:11:43 GMT

YCKMC stands for Yu Chun Keung Memorial College.  If you are YCK old
boys, you are invited to join our club.  The following is our directory.


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Name         Year                       E-mail address
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Yu, Yik Hon (1977,Form 1)         yiky@bnr.ca

Tam, Ming Chit (Class 82)         mtam@gradient.cis.upenn.edu

Ip, Alan (1980,Form 2)            alanip@hpsrdos2.mayfield.hp.com

Michael  (1980,Form 2)            michaell@bnr.ca

Pang, Peter (1983-85,F6-7)        pang@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu

Fu, See Wai (Class 83)            fu@hawk.cs.ukan.edu

Ngai, Yuen Lun (Class 87)         umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Cheung, Sze Wai (Class 88)        esurc@csv.warwick.ac.uk

Lai, Kei Wing (Class 89)          kw21ai@descartes.waterloo.edu

=====================================================================

Again! If you are YCK boys, we are waiting for your participation.

Any problem or question, feel free to contact:

Ngai, Yuen Lun
umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca

From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:11:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) /  5:28 pm  Nov 19, 1992 /

>Despite the fact that HK's political reform is being pushed by UK, if we
>look at it from the angle of Chinese internal politics, I think the best
>we can do is to directly appeal to the Chinese people, show them what is
>the essence of the political reform in HK, show them why what is good for
>HK is also good for them. I firmly believe what Uncle Wah said many times:
>there is no future for HK if China does not have democracy. So, no matter
>what the outcome of the current struggle of HK political reform, it at
>least will serve to raise the conscious of the people in mainland, and
>probably will give them a glimpse of what is possible - that may be our
>contributions if nothing else.

Does anybody remember one of the test post from HK said that in Canton,
more people said that they support HKG than CG in the political reform
in Hong Kong. It looked like the mainlander (at least the southerner)
know that it is good. That is exactly what the CF feared.

>Steven
>-- 
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

>----------

Yuk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:14749 news.answers:4118
From: mcleung@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Man C. Leung)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Dr. Sun
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:23:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.232345.6150@mariner.amc.edu.au> lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
>In article <2B0228B9.3159@news.service.uci.edu>, tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Nov12.015100.1421@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk>, b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:
[deleted]
>
>I believe the image created both by KMT and CCP about Dr. Sun is biased.


A legitimate thought.

>First of all, I don't think China, with its thousands years of history,
>does have a nation-father who was born just 126 years ago.

I think nation-father implies modern-nation-father.  I don't think
too many people will argue that he did not deserve the credit people
have given him for overthrowing the Ching (spelling?) dynasty and
leading the nation in the right direction, for example, a democratic
and modernized China.  I do agree with the comment from a previous
posting that China would be a very different China only if he didn't
die way too early.

>
>Dr. Sun was an idealist in Chinese history, but his radical approach to
>the reform of China impeded the possibility of a smooth evolution in Chinese
>political system.

So you think the Ching dynasty would lead us a smooth evolution in the
Chinese political system?  I think the people who lived through that
era can't possibly forget how much insult it has brought to the Chinese
people.  Just thinking about it has made thousands of Chinese come to
tears.

Dr. Sun was an idealist but he was also a superb pragmatist.  You think
anything less than that could bring China to the state Dr. Sun had achieved?

> I believe the century-long unstability in this
>country has a lot to do with Dr. Sun's radicalism.

I think you have given way too much credit to Dr. Sun.  This belongs to
Mr. Mao, Mr. Cheung Kai Shek, and the Japanese invasions and inhumane
totures and massacres.

>
>He was a great patriotic, idealist, but he wasn't a hard-headed thinker. His
>perfect image was created on a political rather than on a historic basis. 

I have heard great historians giving their outmost respect to Dr. Sun.
Dr. Sun was not perfect but he deserves a bit more respect than you think.

>
>However, I believe that the KMT has given up Dr. Sun's naiveness and
>radicalism since 1930s, but the CCP has gone too far.
>

So you think the KMT thought Dr. Sun's achievements were naive and that
what they did without Dr. Sun were the rigth things to do?

>I always believe that it is no point to re-judge people, I just hope the 
>tragedy, resulted from the "good-will" radicalism, will not 
>be repeated in China. 

I think literally tens of millions of Chinese will rejoice if there
were another Dr. Sun leading China today.

>
>Luo Wang
>
>Australia

Happy birthday, Dr. Sun.


Respectfully,
Man Leung.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Vivian Chow
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:25:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Nov17.002556.1424
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <BxtABw.7F3@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.110922.6758@sfu.ca> wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
>>
>>    Does that mean Vivian Chow has an address on UseNet? :)
>
>Yes.  Her address is vchow@jade.tvb.hk.  She rarely reads her mail though :)
>

$ finger vchow@jade.tvb.hk
[jade.tvb.hk]
Login name: vchow                       In real life: Vivian Chow
Directory: /ming/sing/loi/vchow               Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Mon Nov 16 16:00 on tty88 from  hutchinson.mobile
New mail received Mon Nov 16 22:38:54 1992
  unread since Mon Nov 16 16:13:44 1992
Project:
Plan: To leave HK before June 30, 1997

I beg to differ.  :-)

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs911301@ariel.yorku.ca (CHAK MAN TSUI)
Subject: test again
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:40:51 GMT


testing again...
please ignore...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Dr. Sun
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:23:45 GMT

In article <2B0228B9.3159@news.service.uci.edu>, tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov12.015100.1421@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk>, b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:
>>>
>>>Today is Dr. Sun 126th birthday.
>>>Happy birthday to Dr. Sun.
>>	Yes, happy birthday to our hero and father of the nation.  We will not
>>forget what you had done for us.
>>
>Revolution has not succeded yet, keep on striving, my comrades!!
>
>And someday when my beloved China become properous and free, my dear Dr. Sun,
>you will finally happy and close your eyes for good. Till then, bless us, 
>We will try hard.
>
>Eric Yihching Taor

I believe the image created both by KMT and CCP about Dr. Sun is biased.

First of all, I don't think China, with its thousands years of history,
does have a nation-father who was born just 126 years ago.

Dr. Sun was an idealist in Chinese history, but his radical approach to
the reform of China impeded the possibility of a smooth evolution in Chinese
political system. I believe the century-long unstability in this
country has a lot to do with Dr. Sun's radicalism.

He was a great patriotic, idealist, but he wasn't a hard-headed thinker. His
perfect image was created on a political rather than on a historic basis. 

However, I believe that the KMT has given up Dr. Sun's naiveness and
radicalism since 1930s, but the CCP has gone too far.

I always believe that it is no point to re-judge people, I just hope the 
tragedy, resulted from the "good-will" radicalism, will not 
be repeated in China. 

Luo Wang

Australia
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ILHC: Discussion #1 (How to relate your feelings)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:32:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

ILHC: Discussion #1 Responses

Stayvis Chaunhan Ng writes:
  For me, if I have a boyfriend, I will tell him I am sorry. If I don't,
  I am not quite sure how to react, probably jokes around and say he must
  be kidding.  However, I will give it a try since you won't know if it
  will works out without give yourself and him a chance.
					Stayvis

And our dear Dr.Dewberry also writes:
  Hey guys!!!!! I should come out to say something to defence some girls
  who are not as bad as what you describe!!!

  Take for example, I NEVER will allow a male friend to pay the bills when
  we go out for meals if we are not boyfriend and girlfriend relationship!
  If he is not a 'neutral' good friend of mine, I will not go out with him
  alone at all! PLease don't think that girls are that greedy! Only some
  girls want to take advantages from guys who go after them. And not all       
  pretty girls like to 'use' their 'followers'!!!! There are pretty girls
  who are pretty both 'internally' and 'externally'!! Maybe you should meet
  more goood girls, then you will believe what I say!!!

  If a girl asks you to pay the bills, pay for the film's prices...etc while
  she is not your girlfriend, then you should know how materialistic she is!
  You should know if you cannot afford to pay for these things, she may not go
  out with you at all! Why should you still want to go after her? Then this is
   your own problem!!! 

  I hope you will find your right girl as soon as possible!

  GOOD LUCK! 

                                          regards
						Dr. Dewberry


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ctyau@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (YAU Chor-tung)
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:59:14 GMT

hck@crosfield.co.uk (chuck kay hon) writes:

>>P.S.  I would also like what reaction does KCR has?

>they stop the ad.

Not correct!  The ad. has been stopped for quite a long time (several
months) before the ghost story is heard.  And now the KCR has decided to
pay extra money to show the ad. again to stop the rumour.  I saw it
yesterday.

If you want any company to lose some money, you can use the same trick and
spread rumour about their ad., etc.  I think most people will believe. 
This is natural.

>Another piece of information, some people( one of them is called
>Li Kui Ming, Li is his surname ) said they actually could see more 
>and more ghosts going to HK from mainland China, the reason was that the 
>Chines Government didn't allow people to carry out any funeral services to
>the death, so the death couldn't sleep well ( if you believe in Bible) or 
>the death refused to leave this world ( if you believe in Buddisim ), that's
>why they become a ghost and hanging around.  Their suggestion is no matter 
>what religion the death committed, his/her relatives should do proper 
>funeral services to them so as to let them sleep peacefully or migrate to
>next phase of life.  Another suggestion from them is that if you can behave
>yourself or you commit to one of the religions, you won't have much trouble 
>with these ghosts.

This guys has been famous after showing up on a serie of TVB programmes.
And he has conducted a film about misteries and has earned a lot of money.
However, the Next magazine has discussed the large amount of forgery in
his film. e.g. a child suffering from mental illness was said to be a
ghost (i.e. a ghost in the child) and was shown in the film.  The boy's
mother knew this only after watching the film, and was very much upset by
the film.  This guys has many inventions :- e.g. he invented the Radio-
Theory of Worshipping Gods :- every gods is a radio station, Juese is one,
Budda maybe another.  Any everyone is tuned to receive the signals from a
particular station and there is no interference between stations!
I do feel sick about many of his invention and is sad that many people are
interested by them.

Yau Chor Tung.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Your university making $$$ out of you?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:12:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

rlp0137@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>If you are paying around $900 for the university health plan, I recommend
>you to find an independent insurance company and buy it from them (eg.
>blue shield.. etc).  It will cost you about the same or even cheaper but
>it will provide for comprehensive health coverage.  In my case, we pay
>around $350.00 for U. health services and even though they are slow and
>prescribe only tylenol, advil for everything, the doctors and nurses are
>nice.  :-] ] ] ] ]

$390 for a year?? Hmm... you sure about that?

That's very good.  My school's health insurance is something around $900 also.

BTW, running a school (especially a university) is very much like running
a business.  With the recent recession, a lot of universities are in
financial difficulties.  Even relatively well-off schools are experiencing
some difficult times... look at Yale, for instance.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: HongKong should have a democratic government NOW!
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:09:43 GMT

In article <92327.150603ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>IMHO, HongKong should get rid of the British-colonist government and
>have a democratic government NOW 

Well, they will be gone soon enough: less than 5 yrs from now.

>--- all contract-granting procedures
>must be open to the public, no preference should be given to those
>British-related companies,

After 1997, there probably wouldn't be any preference for them.

 and instead, preference should be given to
>HongKong-based companies. 

Highly unlikely. Preference would instead be given to Chinese(CCP) investment
which would definitely cost more than the British-based today and much less
efficient.

 Expel those with foreign citizenships
>from high-level HongKong government positions, unless they renounce
>their foreign citizenships 

While I wholeheartedly agree, its not gonna happen. What will happen to our 
beloved member of the Kai-Lune association? Without these wonderful business
man who watch over for us as if we are their profit margin, who know what other
silly demand (like human rights, freedom of speech, ...) the trouble maker
going to make? 

--- if they pledge their allegiances to
>another country, how can they REALLY work for the interest of HongKong
>people???
>
>Just some food for thought.
>
>James Huang


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