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From: ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.environment
Subject: Re: BUSH Administration Hushes Auto Efficiency Studies
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:36:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EecrzJC00WBOI23pNO
Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    A  CAS analysis of  EPA's 1992  data showed that the passenger car
fleet would attain  an average of 35 miles  per gallon  (mpg) if every
car  did as well as  the best car  in its class, without requiring any
new technology or shifts to smaller  cars.  According to CAS, shifting
to a  "best-in-class" fleet would save 800,000  barrels of gas per day
and would reduce annual carbon dioxide emissions by 125  million tons.
The Sierra Club says that reducing auto pollution  is the clearest way

Roger Collins writes:
Well, surprise, surprise.  A study showed that if you have a sample of
fuel efficiencies, and change all the samples to the highest of the
samples, the average goes up.  I'm sure this will make all the
statistics journals.  :)
At last, there is some hope for Bush if he actually saved the taxpayers
some money by discontinuing such ridiculous "analysis."
 


The question is NOT whether or not the analysis was rediculous, but what
did the analysis involve?  If, in foct, it was merely a manipulation of
the statistics, then it probably was unwarrented simply because the
outcome would be obvious.  Was there more to it than this?  Was there an
analysis of why the best MPG cars are the best, and what design and
material changes are needed to bring the less fuel effecient cars up to
the level of the best?  (If it was all statistical manipulation, it
would be cheeper and easier to ask the automakers offer only the top car
in each class now wouldn't it?)  What exactly was in the analysis that
induced a squelch from the Bush administration (assuming there was one)?
 

           -lms

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In the absence of data it is wrong to draw conclusions.
   
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15575 talk.environment:3430 talk.politics.misc:42468 alt.save.the.earth:1073
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,talk.politics.misc,alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: TRADE NEWS 8/24 -- Canadian Agricultural Marketing Boards
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:33:06 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>
>Under NAFTA, Canadian marketing boards for eggs, dairy and  
>poultry products are exempt from tariff reductions. 
>
>Source:  "FUMMC Demands Full Dairy Details of NAFTA," MILK  
>MATTERS, August 17, 1992, p. 1. 

Canada has put its marketing board system on the table for GATT.  
It is a card needed by North America in the agricultural dispute
currently holding up the bogged down Uruguay Round of talks.  The
Canadian consumer can't wait for them to go; while our domestic
product is better due to fewer additives -- and I vouch for that 
from personal taste tests between here and home up north -- it is
discouraging to see Canadians buying chemical-heavy American eggs
and milk during the cross-border shopping rebellion due to price.
Western Canadian farmers' co-ops are already streamlining their
operations for the day that the provincial marketin boards go.

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: nicaraugua "resistance"
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:46:42 GMT

In article <Ta9DqB1w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>although I personally cannot sanction vengance as a national
>policy, ...

He then goes on to say that he considers the extrajudicial execution of
a number of Sandinsita opponents 'justice'.

I never ceace to be amazed at the contradictions leftists can come up
with and believe. As the Bard put it: Cognitive dissonance, thy name is
liberal.

  Allen

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Xref: sparky alt.activism:15771 talk.politics.misc:43115 talk.bizarre:28338
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 29 Aug 92 09:24 PDT
Subject: Re: LaRouchians as Fascists!
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500306:cdp:1296500323:000:421
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Aug 29 09:24:00 1992


Re: LaRouche

I was in Chicago when the LaRouchians won the primary. There was a pollster
in Joliet who had warned prior to the vote that frustrated voters might
vote for the LaRouchians as a protest over the Democratic Party ignoring
poor and working class constitutents, which certainly included many
Black voters. The American Jewish Committee commissioned a study of the
vote patterns, but it was inconclusive.
-Chip

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 11:44:03 GMT

session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:

>So, is nuclear power generators a "renewable energy" source?

Certainly more "renewable" than oil, coal, or natural gas, wouldn't you
agree?


>What happened to the "degree pending"?

A .signature file Zack. They get rotated, you know?


MD
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Xref: sparky alt.activism:15530 talk.environment:3427 alt.save.the.earth:1071 misc.headlines:6008 talk.politics.misc:42354
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:47:21 CDT


In article <1992Aug25.175614.17397@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.141932.20456@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> >> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
> >
> >> >Supply side economics?
> >> 
> >> 	"We reduced tax rates and we increased the tax base. ..
> >                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> We've reduced tax rates and strengthened enforcement, and now we are
> >> getting more revenue out of lower tax rates."
> >> 	-President Carlos Salinas, of Mexico
> >> 	quoted in Forbes magazine, Aug 17, 1992
> >> 
> >> The top tax rate was reduced from 60% to 35%. The capital gains tax rate
> >> in Mexico is currently zero.
> >> 
> >> More revenues out of lower tax rates?  Yes, it happens. Believe it.
> >
> >"and we increased the tax base".
> 
> Yes, the tax base was increased because there was greater economic growth and
> less tax avoidance.  *Not* because any taxes were added.

Increasing the tax base (such as in the 1986 tax reform) meant taxing what had
previously been tax deductable (like consumer interest payments).  It was
usually described as "closing loopholes".

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 20:50:13 EDT
From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: nicaraugua "resistance"

In article <1992Sep1.124642.19226@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) says:
>
>In article <Ta9DqB1w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>>although I personally cannot sanction vengance as a national
>>policy, ...
>
>He then goes on to say that he considers the extrajudicial execution of
>a number of Sandinsita opponents 'justice'.
>
>I never ceace to be amazed at the contradictions leftists can come up
>with and believe.

And I never cease (or, as you would have it, ceace) to be amazed at
the lies you right-wing loonies reach for in your attempts to discredit
decent people who don't agree with you. "Extrajudicial" was *NOWHERE*
in the post you're responding to. Of course you don't actually quote
that part of the article, but say "he then goes on to say...". Well
he DID NOT go on to say that, and you're a liar. He talked about the
execution of murderers, not the "extrajudicial" execution of "opponents".
You're sickening.

H.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15612 ca.politics:7163 talk.politics.misc:42536
Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Gus savage is history
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:43:11 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.063908.1@fnala.fnal.gov> maxwell@fnala.fnal.gov writes:

>: Well, Carl, you should feel a lot better then, because due to the most recent
>: gerrymandering in Illinois, Gus Savage will *not* be returning to Washington
>: next year.

>: Every once in a great while, something nice actually happens. (You shoulda
>: heard that execrable bigot whine when he lost the primary--- hee hee!)

>	I don't live anywhere near Illinois. What did he have to say?

He blamed everything on 'the Jews' and 'White Racists' and that 'real
blacks' voted for him, but 'Uncle Tom' blacks voted for his opponant, etc,
etc.

He called people who voted against him Nazi's.  He blamed Israel. etc.  I
haven't heard such crap since I heard David Duke.  The two are
interchangeable, if you disregard skin color...

 -Steve
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:15:08 CDT


In demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

> 	Read "The Seven Fat Years".  It is largely a case of guilt-complexes
> and faulty conclusions.
> 
> 	Remember the people decrying "greedy yuppies" buying VCRs?  How people
> were starving in Africa while we drove our BMWs?  Well people were starving
> before the 80s, and they are still starving today.  As sane people tried to say
> in the 80s, it has nothing to do with US consumption.
> 
> 	There seems to be a segment of the population that feels guilty about
> being successful.  How can we live with ourselves (in our beachfront condos)
> while there are homeless people?

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye
of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingom of God." Mathew 19:23

Maybe Pat Buchanan was right, that most people in the US live by the
Christian ethic.  :-) :-)

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15910 talk.politics.misc:43706 soc.culture.latin-america:3296
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:16:24 GMT

kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>>Reduction in Department of Energy budget for 
>>        renewable energy between 1981 and 1989: 90%  <========== 

>So, you would support increased funding for the establishment of nuclear
>power generators throughout the US?

So, is nuclear power generators a "renewable energy" source?

>--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 

What happened to the "degree pending"?

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
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From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: "Family Values" -- Clinton Continues to Miss Opportunity
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:27:50 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB



	Percentage of Americans which found the following "very
	important" to promote family values:


-- Creating a National Health Care Program: 83 percent


-- Spending more money on education: 88 percent


-- Spending more on Day Care for children: 79 percent


[AP wire story, New York dateline, Mon Aug. 24, 1992, p.17 cited
in Cornell's _The Cornell Daily Sun_]


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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Challenge to socialists from capitalist who might change his mind.
Date: 29 Aug 92 11:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Any socialist out there that is interested in a good discussion on the pros and
cons of economic systems, primarly socialism (you) versus capitalism (me).

Let's see who gets converted to what.

A 'no thanks' is acceptable, though I will take this as your admission of
defeat. Any flames will result in a flood of crap reaching this newsgroup.

Warning: I get my mail free, I post for free and I don't use this account for
my work, so don't waste time and effort termcapping me.

Note: Unlike conservatives, I don't consider the ex USSR as an example of
socialism in action. I will do combat on a theoretical basis.
Likewise, I don't consider the current American position as being all that
capitalist - it looks more feudally orientated to me. Don't waste bandwidth by
continually reffering to the plight of poor in USA - I agree that the current
situation is a disgrace.

-- 
John McVey, Whyalla campus, Uni S.Australia
Enic Eng Student who lives in small room on $50/week, yet still capitalist.
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au

'An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.'
   				--Don Marquis
[applies to any belief, socialist or otherwise]
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15787 talk.politics.misc:43182 talk.bizarre:28386
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Lies"Lies Work"
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 06:11:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.201427.16408@news.ysu.edu> ae277@yfn.ysu.edu (Stewart Rowe) writes:

>Clinton's aides said that the correct count was 59 times; on the same
>criteria, they said, Bush had raised taxes 327 times.

The Congressional Research Service says that Bush raised taxes 78
times using the same criteria, not 327. If Bush is a lier, then
Clinton is an even bigger one.

  Allen

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From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Harel posts a particularly clumsy lie.  (Was Re: "STRONG FAMILY VALUES" (III) (1))
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:49:10 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Aug30.224116.13550@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp
(Michael Friedman) writes:
>
>>The
>>health care situation *for the population as a whole* is worse in the USA
than
>>any country in Europe (with the obvious exception of Yugoslavia as was), in
>>addition to Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan Korea etc. etc... 
>
>Evidence please...  To begin with, please define "The health care
>situation for the population as a whole."  I don't think you can and I
>think your statement above is just someone blowing hot air and
>propaganda out their ass.

the united states has a higher infant mortality rate than all of the other
'industrialized' states, including canada, japan, all the western european
nations.
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From: ccx018@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Leslie Griffiths (Griff))
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Nuclear Bomb Tests and their relationship to Earthquakes planetwide
Keywords: Is Nuclear Testing Triggering Earthquakes and Volcanic Activity?
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:15:47 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <1992Aug26.215604.18067@odin.corp.sgi.com> dave@ratmandu.esd.sgi.com (dave "who can do? ratmandu!" ratcliffe) writes:
>
>   earthquakes?  Do nuclear tests make the planet more prone to geologic
>   disruption? . . .
>   So Whiteford was able to make a simple comparison of the earthquake rate 
>   in the first half of the century, before nuclear testing, and the rate for 
>   1950 to 1988.  In the fifty years before testing, large earthquakes of 
>   more than 5.8 occurred at an average rate of 68 per year.  With the advent 
>   of testing the rate rose "suddenly and dramatically" to an average of 127 
>   a year.  The earthquake rate has almost doubled.  To this day the U.S. 
>   military attributes the increase to "coincidence." . . . 

Umm. My first degree is in geophysics, and I'd be very interested if you could
explain how testing could cause large quakes. Cause some local shallow seismic
stuff possibly, but deap-seated big quakes? Could you give me some references 
in any of the reputable geophysical journals? Or explain the mechansism 
yourself.

I personally think Nuclear Testing is now unnecessary (were it ever necessary),
but I think (if your stats are correct) you are making a mighty leap between
correlation and causation. 

>                                              daveus rattus   
>
>                                    yer friendly neighborhood ratman
>


Cheers

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: GOP Convention, Houston
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.044107.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writ
s:
>
>		HASTEN THE FALL OF THE POLICE STATE!!!
>
>		     VOTE BUSH/QUAYLE IN `92!!!
>
>	Remember we have to get all the way into it, before people will get
>mad...so vote for the oppressors!!!! Don't prolong it any more than we h
ve to.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~
>Dave D. Cawley		   |	Where a social revolution is pending and,
>University Of Scranton	   |	for whatever reason, is not accomplished,
>ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu	   |	reaction is the alternative.
>ddc1@SCRANTON		   |				-Daniel De Leon
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~


 I have heard buzzings of riots in the streets if these weenies get
elected. Just rumours though...

--
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From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 01 Sep 92 19:52 PDT
Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
Nf-ID: #R:QFS-fv@engin.umich.edu:1034962224:cdp:1296500327:000:1007
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Sep  1 19:52:00 1992



It is indeed a total mischaracterisation to call LaRouche a Libertarian or
a conservative. Just because the mainstream media is incapable of describing
LaRouche in accurate terms doesn't mean that the description of LaRouche as
a fascist is also innacurate.
  To argue that since LaRouche <Says> he is an anti-Fascist he can't be a
fascist is not logical. People lie all the time.
   In Germany and Italy, the fascist movements both promised to throw the bums
out. They both said the regimes in power were corrupt. They both claimed to
represent the interests of the working and middle classes and the farmers.
Both betrayed those promises once in power. That's the sucker punch.
  I have read LaRouche's newspaper for ten years. I have read most of the books
he has written. I do not base my opinions on secondary sources. 
  I hope that personal attacks and snidly whiplashes can be left out of this
discussion. I have posted the long article on "LaRouchians as Fascists" later
in this conference.
-Chip

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