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From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during CR
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:59:29 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1isr63INNf3o@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
> In article <ll3p7aINNsg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
> 
> 
>>>
>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals studied/are studying 
>>overseas are responsibile for, major part if not all, letting the minority 
>>takings hands on destruction. Why there was no single voice out loud 
>>against the red guards? Afterwards, only blamed on four gangs, was that 
>>the real problem cause? 
>>
>>Well, you raised good questions there, but I don't think the Chinese people
in general should be hold responsible for CR.  Let's try to understand
historical events from historical perspective.  During CR, yes, many people
actually stood up against the Revolution, but they were either put into jail,
exiled, or killed as counter-revolutionaries.  In those years, dictators such
as the Gang of Four, especially Mao had absolute power. They were above the law
and above the people.  People were tight controled and had had no power under
dictatorship.  In my opinion, no specific individuals except for Mao and the
Gang of Four should be blamed. Instead, we should rationally examine the
political system.  Had there been a democracy then, CR would not have happened. 
We need to work together to change the system from monocracy to democracy
should those historic trgidies no replay in the future.  Let's stop bashing one
another irrationally.
>>
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Re: When China Wakes
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:15:32 GMT

    In article <2B47595F.10883@news.service.uci.edu> (3 Jan 93) Yifan Gu
writes,

> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>> I don't think freedom of speech should be blamed for the violence [in
>> CR], but deep-rooted desire for power.  Mao only used such desire as a
>> vehicle to move mass.  Without desire for power, freedom of speech won't
>> yield violence, like on SCC.
>
> Freedom of speech in limited range is OK.  Not the kind of "Mass
democracy".
> I am not so sure about this power thing.  Fists can not fly electronically,
> you know.  But you are right about power's big role in those years.

    Cultural Revolution was the only time Chinese people did enjoy some
degree
of the freedom of speech under Mao's reign, if you are lucky enough to be
classified into "The People" (Ren-min).  The problem was that the society was
not ruled by the law.

    For a few it was the thirsty for power that drove them crazy, but most
ordinary people just wanted to live a bit better, by robbing in chaos.  In
Shanghai, where the housing condition often ranks at the bottom among China's
cities, many workers quickly began to squeeze their families into homes of
the "class enemy," after raising fists for a while to support the Reddest
Sun's Revolutionary Line.

    Mob politics is always dangerous, in democracy or not.  But the freedom
of speech, that means even the opinion of a minority is protected, actually
is a counter-balance to the destructive mob politics.
From: ygu@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Yifan Gu)
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:32:29 GMT

In article <9301060231.AA02384@thames.bu.edu> lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) wrote [about literate rate]:
>>The last census result shows that the general population
>>of China is something like > 75% LITERATE in 1990.
>
>Thanks for citing the source. If my memory does not fail, I think it
>is something like 73.3%, very close to your number.
>
>But, well, I still doubt this number, because of the definition of
>"LITERATE" and the way the data were collected. According to report,
>in that census, the item was defined as "whether the person can read
>or write", this is a very vague definition, and there was no proof or
>certificates required. So there was very large room for this number being
>an overestimated or underestimated one according to the political climate.
>I don't know where you are from, city or villages, but you may ask around
>your friends from villages, whether they believe this number.
>
>One may enjoy this number. But one should not use this number as an excuse
>for not doing anything for promoting China's education. Otherwise, you
>have to disprove the following ststement:
>
>"There are currently 229 million illiterates in China.
>One in every four illiterates in the world is a Chinese.
>Each year, over one million children in China are unable
>to attend school because of poverty. Of 679 counties rated
>as poor in China, the problem of feeding and clothing the
>population has not yet been solved. So there are no funds
>for children to buy essential stationery and books for
>attending school."
>
>What do you think? Is this a lie? I think it is very close to
>truth. 


Ah...  ,  229 million illiterates.  The chinese population is 1.1 billion,
or 1100 million. So the illiteracy rate is 229/1100  = 0.208 x(100%) =20.8%.
So, should we conclude from there that the literacy rate is (100-20.8)%,
or 79.2% > 75%  ?    Am I making a mistake ?

BTW, anyone out there has statistics on the numerical illiteracy rate of
chinese ?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34216 soc.culture.hongkong:16902 soc.culture.taiwan:16854 talk.politics.china:3609
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Keywords: The CCP blood debts increased
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:20:06 GMT
Organization: New York University

stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:

>>From 1958-1959
>   One million Tibetans were killed by the PLA.				 1 M

This cannot be true, do you know the population of Xizang (Tibet) at that time?

China-bashing will do harm to the reform happenning in China.

Ze Yang
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:45:43 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1993Jan6.172509.10088@fuug.fi> an3845@anon.penet.fi (Tory) writes:
>carl_@nwu.edu writes:
>>What do you gain by attacking Taiwan?
>What does US gain by selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
>What does China lose by buying aircraft carrier from Russia?
>What do you gain by not attacking Taiwan?
>
>It is sad that a regional war will be inevitable, in which
>one of Asian's fastest growing economies (Taiwan) will be ruined,
>China will be condamned by UN but no one would like to intervene,
> 
Taiwan will not be destroyed because of buying Nuke submarines.
On the contrary, it will increase the bargain bits that CCP has to
think twice more about its action: people's army kill the people again!
If the CCP did not kill people at TAM, it might be the CCP era today.
The CCP did as that CCP used to kill people using various political
movements to eliminate the KMT remaining force on mainland.

In article <93005.232305LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu> <LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I hope this is true,too. Because this is a good reason for us to
>attack taiwan realier and quicker.

I want to see that happens too, as soon as possible. :-)
By then, the CCP will be the world number one killer, 
and again the world will be terrible shocked,
the world has to rewrite the history and human character,

	The people's army killed the people using tanks to run people over.
	The Chinese kill the Chinese people using nuke bomb/weapons.

May be that will be the time the Chinese will be freed from the CCP.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34424 soc.culture.taiwan:16974
From: u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: PARTRIOTS FOR TAIWAN
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:59:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: rex.C0r5zr.sC
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC

In article <1993Jan11.181047.4237@arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>Some more weapons for Taiwan: according to Aviation Week &ST, Jan 4,
>Raytheon is in direct negotiation with Taiwan for the sale of about
>$1.2-billion worth of Patriot fire units and missiles.
>
>That much money probably comes to about a dozen fire units and
>700 or 800 missiles. The missiles will be Pac-2, improved in
>range and altitude over the Desert Storm ones.
>
	Please keep us posted about this kind of news.  Does
anyone know when CCP is going to close U.S. consulate this time (just
kidding)?  Superrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

YJ
From: hxie@dps91a.cis.upenn.edu (Hong Liang Xie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for two persons from BJ Info. Tech. Institute
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:25:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

If you happen to know the current address of any of the following 
persons: 

   Biao Xie, Xiling Zhou, Jing Yue

   from Software Engineering Research Centre, 
        Beijing Information Technology Institute 

Could you please send it to me at hxie@dps91a.cis.upenn.edu.

Thank you very much in advance.

-Hongliang
 CIS Dept
 U of Penn
 USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xic@utkvx2.utk.edu 
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:52:00 GMT

In article <3989@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang) writes...
>A very interesting picture ( 4 parts ) is posted.  You may
>guess what the title is.  After you see the picture, I will
>tell you where I got it and what its name is.
> 
>Note: how decode the pic:
> 
>1. remove the headers from each part.
>2. cat part1 part2 part3 part4 | uudecode 
> 
>That's it.  
> 
>Zhang YaoEn


I am wondering if this picture came from some Chinese magazine?
The editor is shameful.  Low taste.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Toycott?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:17:31 GMT

In article <C0GEsy.88q@fiu.edu> stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.155255.23838@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>|> 
>|> I didn't see an explanation of what the "Toycott" is about?  Would someone
>|> please provide me with one.
>|> 
>
>Toycott: boycott toys made in China. The following are reasons for such move.
>
>1) China uses prisoners to make toys.
>It was reported that political prisoner JiangQing was forced to make dolls.

China apologized for this and promised not to do this any more.

>
>2) Child labor is used to make toys.
>Some shrewed ones picked up this line and established an education fund for
>Chinese kids and ask people to donate toy money to that fund.

It is illegal in China to have child labor.

>
>3) Bad economy will hasten the down fall of Chinese communist government.
>Some Chinese dissidents are afraid that they will be too senile to run for
>election in a democratic China.

Like Russia or Somalia ? When you aimed at the big guy, you most probably
would hit the small guy.

>
>4) Santa's toy factory is in finacial trouble.
>Imports take away American's job, but it's more politically correct to
>toycott than winecott.

How about Japanese car, VCR, TV, etc? What is competition ? Americans are
not lousy at all, no need that kinds of protection.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:17:14 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin
Keywords: Terrible conclusion

In article <1993Jan8.003139.16813@mtu.edu> qye@next5 (QIAN YE) writes:
>> 
>That is a really horrible things. But however, there is tradition of  
>eating human's meat in some area in China. Even in some developed area.
> In 1940's, My grandfather denoted his fresh of his leg to his father when  
>his father was ill seriously. It is said that his father would be well if  
>his son denoted fresh. So i think in some undeveloped area like GuangXi,  
>people don't think that eating human's meat is so bad.

CCP supporters, your time has come and your turn to donate your flesh
is coming soon. Your hope on CCP will turn out to donate your own meat.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Does Fudan Univ in Shanghai have internet access?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:03:17 GMT

sosc1069@wc08.yorku.ca (Ming He) write:

>There was a FAQ for SCC two months ago.  The guy said he want to post
>it on news.answers and archive it on pit-manager.mit.edu.
>
>It seems he is not yet successful.  But at least try ifcss.org or
>achkg.org(?).
>
>BTW, this FAQ mentioned some good information on Chinese network.

That FAQ was rejected by news.answers because its format is not
in accordance with news.answers standard. Sorry about that.

Nevertheless, it is available from the following ftp site:

      site:  ifcss.org

 directory:  /chinese
 
      file:  net-china.faq
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:38:48 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Keywords: Terrible conclusion

In article <1islavINN4rg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1ishu5INNs9b@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>>In article <106560@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>......
>>>
>>>No way. I have no interest to share the crime of Mao and fighters.
>>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals, and Chinese culture
>>>has their(our) own weakness, so that Mao and fighters could commit
>>>such crimes. 
>>
>>  But how do you explain Mao's "direction": " Yao4 Wen2 Dou4, Bu2 You4
>>Wu3 Dou4" ( Fight with your pens, not with guns )   
>>  Mao never encouraged people to fight/kill each other during CR.
>>  That's my understanding, tell me yours if you don't think it;s right.
>>
>Are you still trusting Mao's open speech? Not even Mao himself when he
>was alive.

  That's irrelevant, because only Mao's open speach can reach the
public, the public can get Mao's direction by his open speach, right?
>
>BTW, Mao also said "good guys beat bad guys. (Huo Gai). good guys beat
>good guys, a misunderstanding". Sorry, I don't know how to translate the
>word Huo Gai. Also Jianqin said the famous Wengong Wuwei.

   This may not be Mao's open speach, is it?
   Also we are talking about Mao, not Jiang.
>
>I'm not here in defence the wrong doing of Chinese. Very often I think
>they deserve for what they've got. (A religious thinking?)

I kind agree with you. If we Chinese don't learn the lesson of CR, only
put the blames on one party or one person, we may repeat the mistake
once more, 6.4 is the most recent example .    

>>
>Tingli Pan
From: qyl@cs.strath.ac.uk (Magnus Q. Luo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Toycott Update 1/4/93
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:05:23 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Why should not we buy the toys made in China? I hardly see any real
benefit the Chinese people and children here will get from the toycott. 
For Xmas and the new year, I bought a number of toys made in China 
for my son. He likes them very much. 

Magnus

Magnus Q. Luo, Department of Computer Science,      _                         
University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G1 1XH, UK      |   _  _  _| |      _ |    
qyl@uk.ac.strath.cs  041-552 4400 Ext 2952         |_T|_||_||_| |__|_||_ |< 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:04:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.154459.13173@topaz.ucq.edu.au> huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>In article <106134@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>>>(deleted)
>>>We should not have whole sale Westen style "democracy", it should be
>>>discraminately selelcted to serve China.
>> 
>> It sounds right, but the problem is: who is in charge of such selecting?
>> Zhang ZhiDong suggested this "discraminately selelction" 100 years ago,
>> and Lu Xun repeated this 60 years ago, and Mao selectively got Stalinism:-(
>> 
>> Put history aside, could you please answer me this question?
>
>Good question!
>
>At the moment, the anwser seems like:
>    The leaders are in charge. The question becomes: who is in charge
>    of selecting leaders?
>And at the moment, the answer seems like:
>    The leaders in charge. 
>
>( I recomment people to read the "survey of China" in The Economist (also
>in this net). It said "acrossing the river by feeling the stones under
>feet." )
>
>Actually I think we have already found the way: Following Taiwan's step.
>I must say China is like Taiwan of ten years ago. China has been studying 
>Taiwanese experience carefully, and becomes confident in mono-party 
>political system. Taiwan's transform is nearly perfect, and the army is
>under control all the time, it is just amazing! However, there are some
>worry about military in China. 

Taiwan is not a good political model to follow. It is a child of Cold war,
 outside factors paly dominent role in Taiwan's politics.
From: ming@nttor.uucp (Mingqi Deng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:49:47 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom CAC

In article <1993Jan5.154459.13173@topaz.ucq.edu.au> huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>
> (deleted)
>
>Actually I think we have already found the way: Following Taiwan's step.
>I must say China is like Taiwan of ten years ago. China has been studying 
>Taiwanese experience carefully, and becomes confident in mono-party 
>political system. Taiwan's transform is nearly perfect, and the army is
>under control all the time, it is just amazing! However, there are some
>worry about military in China. 

I agree to some extent. (BTW, I see encouraging signs in the trend of this
discussion -- polite, rational, and refraining, unlike postings prevailling 
this group a while ago). Imagine this: implementing the demorcacy now enjoyed
in Taiwain in early 50's on the same island. It would be a total disaster.
The same would result if 1989's movement in China had led to western
style of democracy. (I do have great respect for those who rised up. But
history tells us that pioneers are often naive and sacrificed, that the world 
need them to cry out, and that they are still born generations after 
generations, forgetting what happend before; -- a sad reality.)

However, Taiwan still has seriou problems in its current demorcatic system
such as ballot-buying and KMT's control. Moreover, western democracy
has its problems too: special interest group, selfishness of political
parties, crying baby symdrom (one who cries gets the attention, but may
be against the majority of people), inefficiecy in dealing with any
particular problems especially if it's long-term (over serveral election
terms), etc. Even though a democratic system can evolve without war or
supresion of a certain group of people (the best point
of democracy, perhaps), it's not enough to cure its problems, at least not
in the near future. China must try to find a better compromise, if any,
and at least do best to avoid a civil war like in the 20-30's of China.

-Mingqi Deng
From: rfc@allegra.att.com (Robert F. Casey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: California radio station KPLA-AM airs Chinese news
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:35:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

In the December 23, 1992 issue of _Radio World_ (a trade journal), there is
an article "KPLA(AM) Airs Chinese News" on page 1.  It says that KPLA
gets a half hour program from China Radio International, formally Radio
Beijing.  And airs it during afternoon "drive time", when commuters are
going home.  Signal is delivered to this station via phone line.  
The Chinese government pays for the phone line costs, and air time on
this station.
KPLA is located in Sacramento, California.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34459 soc.culture.taiwan:17003
From: bub@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: PARTRIOTS FOR TAIWAN
Date: 13 Jan 93 12:07:24 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <C0r5zr.sC@rex.uokhsc.edu>, u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.181047.4237@arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>>Some more weapons for Taiwan: according to Aviation Week &ST, Jan 4,
>>Raytheon is in direct negotiation with Taiwan for the sale of about
>>$1.2-billion worth of Patriot fire units and missiles.
>>
>>That much money probably comes to about a dozen fire units and
>>700 or 800 missiles. The missiles will be Pac-2, improved in
>>range and altitude over the Desert Storm ones.
>>
> 	Please keep us posted about this kind of news.  Does
> anyone know when CCP is going to close U.S. consulate this time (just
> kidding)?  Superrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
> 
> YJ

What U.S want is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.   Any Chinese can never find American really
like a Chinese more than like an american. Of cource, American is really good 
helpper. For the future of Chinese, It is better have a war in Chinese, which 
will reduce the population of China. That will make next Chinese generation 
has more space to live. Thanks for U.S, Thanks for KMT and CCP.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yma@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (William Ma)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:52:42 GMT

In article <C0B5nC.87w@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>And looking at the believers (many are indeed Ph. D.'s, even
>professors), I am somewhat shocked.

Yan Xing's exaggerated Qi Gong can be denied. But Qi Gong itself will still exist.
Those people who exercise Qi Gong do have a special feeling. Their health can also
be improved. I never met Yan Xing. I don't know whether his Qi Gong is real or not.
But strange things did happen in this world. Don't you know there was a famous man
who could escaped from iron cages and tight chains? (Sorry, I forgot his name.)

If you want to prove Yan Xing is a liar, give evidence. If you want to prove his Qi Gong
works, give evidence, please.

I don't think the discussion about whether Qi Gong is a science here is in scientific
manner.  It seems to me that the discussion  here is also counter-scientific.

Give me your evidence, no matter which side you stand.

William
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Toycott Update 1/4/93
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 04:00:23 GMT

If the toycotters dance in a club, they may be able to attract more
people.



J Su

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china