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From: Michael.Seneco@f340.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Seneco)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: American Medical Response
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 09:31:00 -0800

Michael Seneco Overheard Joe Nicholson talking about Re: American
Medical Response recently..... 

 JN> I can find no Pac-Med Ambulance in any San Diego roster/directory.



        Joe, 

                My apologies, the company I am speaking of changed it's
name. 
                It is now called Vanguard Ambulance or something of the

                sort. 


                Thanks for the reply.


                Michael Seneco


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From: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Subject: Re: OOPS!
Reply-To: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:46:53 GMT

I'd just like to agree with the previous post, based on personal
experience.  While driving our ambulance en route to the hospital
lights and sirens, I was involved in a minor MVA.  While crossing
over to the wrong side of the street to go around a red light, I
tagged the rear taillight of the car in front of me.  Minor
damage to the car, no damage to the rig.  We left someone on
scene and continued to the hospital.  To make a long story short,
the NYPD officer who responded told me that since I was operating
an emergency vehicle in the line of duty, I was not personally
responsible.  The point of all this being, the law does not only
hold for municipalities and firefighters, but for all emergency
responders and the organizations they work for.

Ken


Kenneth R. Aron                 NYS EMT-Defibrillation            | |  / /
kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu      Columbia Area Volunteer Ambulance | |/ / 
                                Columbia University, NYC          | |\ \
"EMTs do it with patience"                                        | |  \ \
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From: slenk@hal.emba.uvm.edu (Carl A Slenk)
Subject: Re: OSHA regs
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:44:36 GMT

As a federal worker with the USDA forest service ( a wildland firefighter)
we were specifically exempted from OSHA regs. Makes you wonder....if
federal regs don't apply to fed. employees...who do they

"red card? We don't need no stinkin red card"
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From: Dwayne.Rich@p20.f1000.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Dwayne Rich)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: J FF
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 12:21:00 -0800

In a message of <Nov 03 15:49>, George Vaisey (1:260/237) writes: 
 GV>Dwayne,
 GV>        COuld you send me some statistics on if any one got hurt
while 
 GV>responding to calls (Juniour FF).  Thanks


        None of the junior firefighters got hurt while repsponding to
any of the calls.  The biggest problem we had was identifying them at
fire calls.  We have had some that were so gung ho that you just about
had to tie them to the trucks to keep them out of a house fire.  We no
longer have a j FF program (lack of interest)


Dwayne
 
 


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From: Lou.Doucet@f1.n3638.z1.fidonet.org (Lou Doucet)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Volunteer vs. Paid
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 21:38:00 -0800

CT>My opinion is that the volunteer is a lot more concerned about
patient
CT>care on a run-to-run basis than the "paid" EMS provider.  (NOTE: 
this
CT>is personal opinion and observation and not intended to be a blanket
CT>statement.)

        I have been on both sides of the fence and in some cases you
are
correct about concern but from my observations I feel that patient care
of the career personal is usually higher due to much more training and
experience by running so many more calls. In my many years in the fire
service I feel that the most important factor in the quality of the
rescue service is based on the Medical Director and the standards they
set for the system.

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From: Brian.Rueger@f94.n878.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Rueger)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Scanners Also
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:25:00 -0800

In a message to Jim Macaluso <27 Oct 92 14:38> Bob Reynolds wrote:

 BR> That's SO true.  If those cellular users only knew what us bored
 BR> fire dispatchers do for excitement at night with our programmable
 BR> scanners!!  heh heh heh

Bob, I understand I am a scanner owner also.  But be careful how and
what you tell about your late night listening habits.  Don't forget the
ECPA.

Brian
FF/EMT-C
Hampton FD
Hampton, VA

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From: Mark%FDC@Arizona.edu (Mark R. Toth)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles
Keywords: Lights
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:30:22 GMT
Organization: Facilities Design & Construction, Univ. of Arizona

In article <7740@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.234205.8162@mel.dit.csiro.au> jck@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell) writes:
>>Are all those strobes and whatnot really necessary? Only curious. Do the public
>>respond better to that many lights or is it for show?

>If I'm going to be doing things that folks don't expect others to do in
>traffic, I want every possible advantage I can get, including every
>attention-getting device I can use. I've run in my private car with only a
>pair of Federal Fireballs (single-bulb rotary warning lights, magnetically
>mounted) on the roof, and people didn't notice those worth a darn. (Texas law
>requires lights to be on the roof.)
>-- 
>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.


In many cities (Tucson being one) the traffic lights sense emergency
vehicles by the strobe lights turning the light green for the emergency
vehicle and red on the cross street.  Secondary white strobes attached
to the traffic signals help to alert motorists that the light is responding
to and emergency vehicle and should keep the intersection clear.

A side note: recent stobe light bars in place of normal blue and red 
rotating lights have been able to lock up a light.  Patrolmen stopping
vehicles were found to be holding the lights in emergency mode from
these lightbars. Our city's traffic lights now take a coded pulsed strobe to 
trigger.

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From: David.Pinero@f9.n377.z1.fidonet.org (David Pinero)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Scan-B
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 23:41:00 -0800

George:
 
Yes, the newer version will fully support your current Scan-B datafiles.

I logged onto the Paradise but was unable to find the files.  I will
try
again.  Perhaps the Sysop hadn't validated them yet.  I am thinking
about
sending you a beta version of the latest Scan-B so that you can try to
"crash" it for me.  By doing so you alert me to any bugs that I might
be
missing.

-- Dave



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From: Jim.Tyma@f4.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Tyma)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: PARAMEDIC/FIREFIGHTER
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 19:06:00 -0800

I suggest that you contact your nearest fire and rescue department
for information about recruiting into their ems paramedic program.
                                                  Jim Tyma


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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:39:53 -0500
From:         jpn1@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU
Subject:      Short, personal, annoying, space eating, time consuming messages

Hi!!!!!

I would like to address the issue of the large number of short, personal
messages that have suddenly been proliferating this list/ newsgroup/ echo/
conference, or whatever else in manifests itself as.

PLEASE STOP!!!!!

There are a lot of us that don't have enough time to sort through 60-70
messages/ day when only about half contain any useful discussion or information.
We don't particularly care who knows who else in someone or other's
organization.  These messages belong in personal e-mail. They do not belong
on the list being distributed all over the world.

I notice a lot of these are coming from FidoNet.  I don't know why, but you
guys should be a little more considerate.  Please realize that these messages
come through with about 20 lines of header and 3 lines of text, and get
distributed throughout the world.  This wastes resources, and net resources are
not inexhaustable.  Here's a hint:  If you start the message with a person's
name it could probably be sent through e-mail.  Also, think about the person
12,000 miles away reading the list:  will they know what you're talking about
or care?  If not, send it e-mail.

Ahem,
thank you for listening to my gripes.
Annoyed in ithaca....
Justin
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: comparing FA courses
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:01:54 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Just to let everyone know, Earthbound is not unique in the sense that
they teach from an EMT level.  SOLO (Stonehearth Open Learning
Opportunities) in Conway, NH also teaches Wilderness modules for EMT's
to become WEMT's.

contact me for info
From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: VOLUNTEERS
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:11:00 -0800

DP> I have to agree with Ed on this one.  Volunteer (or Paid for that
DP> matter) FD members can *not* have a driver written up for a
violation of
DP> the VTL without PD witnessing it (at least in New York State they
DP> can't).  When I first started driving (on calls) I asked a friend
who is
DP> a police officer the very same question after having a near
accident
DP> with a driver who totally ignored lights/sirens - and he said that
PD
DP> has to witness the actual occurence.
 
In CT you *can* have a driver pinched for failure to yeild the right of
way to an emergency driver _provided_ you can identify the driver. 
License plate numbers aren't enough as they only identify cars and cars
don't fail to yield -- their drivers do.
 
BTW, volunteers in POVs with blue lights are not legally 'emergency
vehicles' in CT and there is no requirement to yield to them anyway...

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From: Shreyas.Shah@f303.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Shreyas Shah)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: ALBANY CONFERENCE
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:36:38 GMT

DM> I have heard mention of A Conference in Albany NY.  Can
DM> anyone give me all the info on this as I am Origonally
DM> from this area, and it would be a good excuse to get
DM> back home and see the folks.
 
Well its the New York State EMS Vital Signs 92 conference.
It's being held at the Empire State Convention Center in Albany NY
on November 13-15. You can register on site or contact NYS Dept. Of
Health, 
Emergency Medical Services Program (ATTN Karen Meggenhoffen sp?)
for a pre-registration form and a listing of the events planned. There
will 
be several classes on different topics ranging from ALS/BLS/Management
as 
well as an update on the new 800 law.
 
If you need more specifics, feel free to call me at 1-718-667-4323
anytime. 
Hope this helps.
Shreyas Shah
NYC EMS
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From: Dave.Pfister@f702.n278.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Pfister)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:56:59 -0800

Shreyas -

 With regards to your statement of 3's in New York, you are correct..

Until recently AEMT-3's (Now recognized as EMT-CC) in Nassau County
could 
*not* intubate.  The only procedure they could perform (in the airway 
management area) was placement of the EGTA.  

You are correct also when you say that NYC doesn't recognize 3's.

The volly department I run with has about 40 A3's and A4's
(Emt-CC/Emt-P) 
(aside from the 60 or so EMTs) and I'd say only about 3/4 are ET
certified.

Intubation is now part of the curriculum in Nassau County at both
academys.

-Dave

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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: PROBLEM??
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 19:48:00 -0800

Matt,
        This is my second messgae (orig. did not go through) I'm gald. 
I said somethings that were QUITE harsh.  I'm sorry if you read that.  I
would like to appologize for any inconvenince that I or my mail has
caused you..  The people that I write don't always have access to
NetMail.  Thanks again for your concern and next time don't sound so
PI@@ED OFF at me ITS NOT MY FAULT.



                   George Vaisey

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From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Cisd
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 20:14:00 -0800

          -unknown- sent

Debreifing has caused more thought about Sunday night than Sunday night
did. I reccomend that anyone who is involved in an incident which starts
up CISD team to attend the debriefing.  I didn't feel the need much for
but I'm really happy with the perspective I took out of the meeting.

Will,
I hope ALL rescuers, fire fighters, EMTs, law enforcement READ THIS and
realize that the CISD teams are all out there just waiting to
help/advise all of us. I'm active in both fire and first aid/rescue and
am an EMT-A and a Fire Police officer for my Fire Department.  A Stress
Seminar was held, last night, for my area's First Aid Squads and
Parametics.  We ALL learned a lot about Critical Incident Stress and the
CISD team. The CISD Teams are trained professionals who are just a
phone-call away.  If your organizations' officers don't know who to
call, the local/county/state/territorial police do! Hopefully, in the
USA anyway, many emeghency personnel will get a briefing on what
Critical Incident Stress (CIS) is, where the CIS Debriefing is, and
where the nearest CIS Debriefing Team is (and how to get them).  The CIS
signs are many and are easily recognized. The CISD Team CAN make
everyones life easier, following a critical incident. Suggest people see
if their own organization(s) officers can set up a CIS Seminar to allow
all your emergency personnel know what CIS is and what to do about it.

===
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From: Cary.Eastwood@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Cary Eastwood)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: cameras on rigs (w
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 05:33:00 -0800

JN>     *** You thus spoke:

JN>PUHx> How many of you carry cameras on your rescue units for
JN>PUHx> documentation of MVAs,

JN>I thought you were going to continue and say "use the photos for
future
JN>training", intending to establish a relationship between the damage
and
JN>the injuries.  Not only for training, but for establishing a thread
in
JN>possible vehicle defects in design and/or manufacturing that NHTSA
might
JN>be interested in.

JN>But you went on .........

JN>PUHx> ....and would serve as a good thing to send with the pt.
JN>PUHx> to the trauma center, etc.

JN>I can't think of a single purpose for doing this.  Is the staff at
the
JN>trauma center going to wait for One-Hour Photo Service to develop
and
JN>print the photographs before attending to the patient?

JN>The idea of taking photos I can agree to.  We had a battlion chief
who
JN>often showed up at the scene of MVA's and other incidents to
photograph
JN>the activities of the medics and the surrounding scene.  These
remained
JN>the property of the department, for studies and for training
purposes.
JN>They didn't get transported with the patient to any trauma center or
JN>hospital.

JN>I believe your basic idea is a good one, but for the wrong reason. 
If
JN>manpower permits it, go ahead and carry a camera and photograph your
JN>responses.  Perhaps with a different angle, you can sway "the powers
JN>to be" to go along with your suggestion.

I think it is a good Idea if you use a Polrid.  That way the doctor can
see the method of injury and see how bad it is i.e. if the driver
decited to inpale his chest with the steering wheel see how mangeled or
lack there of the stearing wheel was.  During my hospitle time so I
could get my EMT cert. The doctor stated to me that sometimes he wished
he could be at the accident to see the methoid of injury so he could
better treat the person.  Because, in his opion, the EMT/Paramedics
usualy generlise stuff and they cannot get a acurate decription of the
accident.  Oh well.


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From: Doug.Plaza@f413.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Plaza)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Volunteer vs. Paid
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:56:00 -0800

CT>My opinion is that the volunteer is a lot more concerned about
patient
CT>care on a run-to-run basis than the "paid" EMS provider.  (NOTE: 
this
CT>is personal opinion and observation and not intended to be a blanket
CT>statement.)
I find this statement highly offensive.  I have been involved in EMS
for
over 10 years, originally as an EMT on a volunteer first aid squad and
for the past 6 years as a "paid" paramedic.  If a person is a
professional, what difference does pay or lack of pay have to do with
the care they provide the patient?  In many cases I think the fact that
a care provider must do a proper job, or lose his job results in a
higher level of proficiency and thus BETTER patient care.
    I have heard these comments before and as usual there is "no data
handy" to back them up.  These comments usually come from volunteers
who
feel they are accountable to no one and that "paid" EMS threatens the
existence of their social clubs!
    My department provides non-transport Advanced Life Support services
in conjunction with the volunteer first aid squads in our area.  I
do not consider the volunteers any less professional just because
they are not paid.  They provide the Basic Life Support and transport
services we rely on to be able to do our job and they are part of the
overall EMS system.


fCT>I've also read several journal articles about the DECREASE
in service CT>and INCREASE in complaints when the shift has been made
from volunteer CT>to municipal. (no, they aren't handy...yes, they were
several years CT>ago...yes, EMS is still in transition)

CT>Finally, "fees".  HCEC doesn't have a viable tax-base.  It operates
in
CT>a VERY poor area of north Houston.  The city (in its wisdom)
declined
CT>the opportunity to annex based upon the high cost of providing
service
CT>and the low chance of making money (tax).  A volunteer service is
the
CT>only real EMS opportunity.  This is the case in many, many areas of
CT>Texas (my limited EMS exposure).

CT>My vote is the actively encourage and train volunteer services.  In
CT>municipal areas, I would expect a volunteer corps to augment the
"paid"
CT>staff.

CT>Cliff the Paramedic
CT>(tons of alphabet stuff not listed)

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From: Craig.Bradley@f408.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Bradley)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Monitors for Sale
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:27:00 GMT

We are selling some of our older radio monitoring equipment.

We have these items for sale:

Motorola Alert Monitors  45 mhz range
Motorola Minitor Amplifier/chargers (only)
Motorola T1600 series remote with pager encoder.

For information, contact:

Chief Bradley
S. Venice VFD
S. Venice, FL
(813) 493-2301

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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Apology
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 15:56:00 -0800

To: ALL
------------
        I would just like to apologize for the way that I acted.  I know
I should watch me temper and remember that this is an ADULT AND
WORLDWIDE echo.  Once again I am sorry to those of you that had to put
up with me "foolishness". If you have any questions PLEASE feel free to
send them privately and I will answer them.


                             George Vaisey

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From: Ron.Brown@f16.n234.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: PROFESSIONAL LECTURERS
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 16:16:20 -0800

Hi All.  We are looking for spectacular lecturers for our future 1993
Spring Traum Symposium here in Western Ohio.  Our organization (West
Ohio Paramedic/Nurses Alliance) is a rather small non-profit nine county
alliance organized to provide continuing (valuable) pertinent
information for the pre-hospital professionals.  Unfortunately (I think)
we have gained a notrious reputation of providing Ohio with the largest
well-recognized "Trauma Seminar" annually.  Therefore, we are currently
open to suggestions from anyone across the country with valuable and
pertinent ideas of persons to contact.  Again, our theme is "Trauma" and
we are sincere in our requests for dedicated, knowledgeable, and
ideological speakers.  If anyone has any suggestions for one, or know of
someone that we may contact please respond.  If you wish you may even
call (419)224-8828 in Ohio to leave a message, and I will return all
call within 2-3 business days.
        One suggestion/request would be:  if anyone has first hand
knowledge of a Paramedic directly involved with the LA riots, we would
be sincerely interested in flying him out to Ohio to discuss first hand
to our Seminar about his experiences.  Our attendance is expected to
close at approx. 400, and will be April 17, 18 1992.
        Any coorespondence will be geniuly appreciated
                        Thanks so much
                                        Ron A. Brown NR-EMT-P,
President
                        West Ohio Paramedic/Nurses Alliance

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