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Posted-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:38:35 CST
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:38:35 CST
Reply-To:     Bob Tull <rgt@ASTRO.AS.UTEXAS.EDU>
From:         Bob Tull <rgt@ASTRO.AS.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      distant "royal" relations
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Pat Boren asked how to trace families of lesser lords and earls in England.

The key word is "Peerage."  In the U of TX library I found 105 listings
of which a couple of examples are

1.  Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage,
and Knightage /London 1938-1970.
CS 420 B85

2.  The Complete Peerage...  Cokayne, G.E. 1825-1911, in 13 volumes.
(Didn't get the call number)

3.  A directory of British Peerages:  Leeson, Francis L. 1985.
CS 421 L44

I found one of my (apparent) ancestors in one of these:  family
tradition has it that a "Lord and Lady Fortescue" in Devon had a daughter
Jane who, against her father's wishes, married a commoner, a Mr. Rooke
in Bideford.  They had 14-17 kids, one of whom, Tabitha Rooke, is my
ancestor (she married a Methodist minister Frederick James).  So far
I have not been able to trace these connections but I did find
Hugh Fortescue, Baron of Castle Hill, who I believe must be the connection.
I also found a Tabitha Rooke in the IGI, born in Bideford, Devon in 1808
but her mother is listed as Elizabeth.  The date name and place are
about right.  How can I make the connection with the Baron?

Bob Tull
Austin, TX
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:52:57 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Green <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Ancestral File question
Comments: To: Genealogy Discussion List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

So here's a little tidbit from a trip to the FHC today.

Mahlon LAMB, b. 1848 in Indiana
Married to Ruth HAISLEY in 1871.

The interesting thing is the children.  They were born in 1871, 1874, 1877,
1879, 1881, 1886, 1888, and 1890.  The question is simple - all the kids were
born in Northbranch, except the first (1871) who was born in Indiana, and
#7 (1888) who was born in Los Angeles.  The first child was my ggrandfather,
and the 1920 census also shows he was born in Indiana, so that's probably
accurate.  What about the LA child?  Any guesses on whither he should not
be in the family, or just birthplace wrong?  He's not really a direct
ancestor, so should I "waste" time trying to pin him down further or what?

Another question involves the basic accuracy of the Ancestral File.  I know
what's there should be taken with a grain of salt, but from personal
experience, just how accurate is it?  Has someone who's started with what's
there and verified it, come to any conclusions on percentage of accuracy?

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From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: Looking for Families: Wilvert, S[ch]wartzlander
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:15:13 GMT


Since my dear old chum Terrance is getting so many useful replies,
I'll cast my net.

Looking for members of my paternal grandmother's family. In Dauphin
and Northumberland Co. Pennsylvania, especially Sunbury. Names:
Wilvert, Schwartzlander (Swartzlander), and Bloom. They were German
Calvinists; mostly merchants. Have some leads back to 1804, but Penna.
material is kinda scarce around here. 

Any help, inc. a line from a distant cousin, would be appreciated.
-- 
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Internet: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu  + 
University of Georgia		   +  Looking for families: Wells, Fox (TN)
Athens, Georgia, USA               +  Coatney (TN), Wilvert (PN)
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Reply-To:     "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Quebec help
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Reply to: usr9428a@tso.uc.edu

I recently received a somewhat aged address book which had been kept
by a deceased cousin.  To my great surprise some of our Finnish
cousins had made it to Quebec.  Since these addresses are most likely
pretty old could somebody with access to an address or phone book for
Montreal and Ville d'Anjou do me the favor and check the following
for me?

1.      Ilkka Erme
        Stuart Ave., #15
        Montreal, QC

2.      Timo Erme
        7121 La Decimiere, #107
        Ville d'Anjou, QC

Thanks,
Helmut
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From: rwarr@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert E. Warren)
Subject: For Dorothy Boyd-Rush (mail bounced)
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:07:34 GMT
Keywords: Heidelberg Township

In soc.roots you write:

> I have reason to believe that a marriage between Johann Karl Risch and Anna
> Elizabeth Suess occurred in Heidleberg Township in Pennsylvania. What would be
> the best place to seek out this information.  I forgot to add that I believe
> they were married in 1752. Where is Heidleberg located, then and now? 
> Thanks to all in advance.
> Dorothy Boyd-Rush
> Harrisonburg, Virginia
> 
Dorothy --

First the bad news -- there are multiple Heidelberg Townships in PA.  The
good news is that there were fewer of them in 1752.  The one I know something
about is in what is now Lehigh County (Allentown is the county seat).  In
1752 it was in Northhampton Co. (before it split into Northhampton and 
Lehigh).  Heidelberg township is in the northwest part of Lehigh County.
One of my ancestors (Christian Loughner) settled in Heidelberg Township in
1751 near a little town named Lehigh Furnace.  Aside from land records,
the main records I have found useful are the Heidelberg church records.
This church was a 'union' church, serving Lutheran and Reformed congregations.
I have some of the church records copied, and I will look for Risch & Suess,
but my records are not complete.  The Lehigh Co. Historical Soc. in
Allentown has a transcribed copy of the records and could look for you.

Bob Warren
rwarr@ameris.center.il.ameritech.com
From: rohm@bucrf17.bu.edu (Ryan Rohm)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: German Palatinate
Keywords: palatine, germany, rheinland-pfalz, huguenots, Rupp
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: rohm@bucrf17.bu.edu (Ryan Rohm)
Followup-To: soc.roots
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University


Another reference to consider is the estimable "Collection of upwards of
30,000 Names of German, ..." (the title is a page long) by the same Rupp;
this contains copies of ship's passenger lists of mainly Germanic immigrants 
inthe early 1700's, and also some related historical 
material concerning their settlement in the New World.  
It was published in the late 1800's, but a new edition
is available from Baltimore Genealogical Publishing.

	-Ryan Rohm (rohm@ryan.bu.edu)
	 Seeking information on Rohm, Dellinger, Propst in western NC.
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Subject: geneology database?
From: dwood@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:21:19 GMT
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

  Is there any database that can be accessed online to research census
records? Thanks David Wood dwood@vax2.cstp.umkc.edu
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From: G.t..Jeffries@launchpad.unc.edu (G.t. Jeffries)
Subject: Yohn, Yon, Yawn, Youn Family
Followup-To: g.t..Jeffries@bbs.oit.unc.edu
Keywords: Genealogy
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:57:42 GMT

Gene Jeffries in Columbia, SC



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From: bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan) 
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Subject: Just Starting...
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:44:00 GMT
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Reply-To: bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan) 

To: BONGIOVIRP@VTPOOH.ME.VT.EDU
Subj: Just Starting...

Basic genealogy tips:

1. Find and join your local county genealogical society if you can locate
one near you.  Here is where you can get your questions answered best.

2. Find and use the nearest Mormon Family History Center.  Also look for
genealogy sections in local and state libraries, and in branches of the
National Archives.

3. Use PAF (Personal Ancestral File) software available for $35 from the
Mormons.  It is the best program, reasonably priced, well supported, and
almost universally used.  To order call 1-800-537-5950.

4. The Genealogy BBS on GENIE is very active and helpful.  In general I
find it more useful than soc.roots, but I use both.  If you do not have a
convenient local genealogical society, the GENIE BBS is a very good
alternative.  It is almost like belonging to an electronic version of a
genealogical society.  You can get any question answered there even much
easier than here on soc.roots.  GENIE is just $4.95 per month for their
*Basic services.

Let me know if you have any questions about what I say above.
Good luck,
/Bob

                               
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Reply-To:     holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA
From:         holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA
Subject:      Quaker info in Providence
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I was told in COncord, NH at the State Library that the best source
of Quaker records for early NH and Vermont were to be found in
Providence, R.I.  I've since forgotten the name of the establishment
.  Would anyone out there know the name of the organisation and its address
there in Rhode Island?

Thanks,  Steven Holloway
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From: caegalla@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Ernie Gallant)
Subject: Info on George Noiles
Followup-To: caegalla@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Keywords: Noiles, mercenary
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:39:15 GMT


I am researching french lines for my family tree and have reached
an impass in one location.  I am looking for info on a man by the
name of George Noiles.  The info I have on him is as follows:

        Married to Madeleine Doiron some where in Nova Scotia
        about 1760.  They had 4 daughters (that I know of).
        Two of their daughters were Madeleine & Louise. They
        were both married in Miscouche P.E.I. to brothers by
        the name of Juste and Laurent Desroches.
        The only thing that I have found about George Noiles is
        he came to Canada to fight with the British as a
        mercenary about the year 1758.  I have been told that
        he was probably from Holland or Germany and would like
        any info on this person.


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Reply-To:     Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mac PAF version?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Gary Steiner says:

> I purchased my copy of PAF for the Macintosh about a year ago.
> The file version is "PAF Release 2.11"

Has anyone with Mac version 2.1 received an upgrade notice?
Can someone with 2.1 get 2.11 free?
I bought 2.1 when it came out but have never heard from them.
I called about 4 months ago and the technical person said the
current version was 2.1, apparently an error.

I keep hoping for an upgrade that will fix the most obvious bug --
in the Notes, I can carefully format something like a census record
(tough enough since the only font is not equal width), save it,
open it again, and it has turned into hash.  Yecch!

Carol Botteron   botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
Organization: Sophomore, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:44:59 -0500 
From: Matthew Paul Wakefield <mattw+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: WAKEFIELD/Philadelphia info sought 

I'm Searching for info into an interesting ancestor and seem to have
exhausted all other paths.  The man's name was JAMES FREDERIK WAKEFIELD
or FREDERIK JAMES WAKEFIELD.  The only real hard information i have
comes from a PA death certificate.  born in MAINE to unknown parents,
married in boston c. 1890 to ANNA M HAFNER, died in phila. 1909.
    
This man's life presents an interesting challange. On his death
certificate, his occupation is listed as "palmist" meaning fortune
teller.  I have gathered that within 5 years after his marrage and the
birth of 3 sons(2 of whom died soon after birth), he, wife, and son
joined a traveling circus.    
  
As both he and his wife were dead by the time their son WILLIAM HARRY
WAKEFIELD was in his early teens, not much is known about their lives. I
have been to J. F.'s grave and it just an unmarked plot in a phila.
graveyard.  I assume J F belonged to some sort of Astrological Society
in philadelphia as this is who it seems paid for his burial.
    
Shortly before his death, my GGrandfather William Harry wrote a short
family history that places J F's birth in Kennebunkport, ME.  I have
been unsuccessful in connecting this man to any wakefields in ME
although it is believed most of the wakefields in the US are descended
from one 17th cent. immegrant in the Maine area.

Can anybody help, either with Wakefield data ar information about an
Astrological Society or traveling circus in Philadelphia, PA around the
turn of the century. 

All correspondance welcome and i'm willing to share any data i have.

thanks, 
Matt Wakefield	mattw@cmu.edu   349 S. 2nd st./McConnellsburg, PA  17233
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From: collier@pa881a.inland.com
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:58:44 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: creekmore



TEST
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: American Genealogical & Biographical Index access
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:29:05 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Nov5.164247.8829@nosc.mil> barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
>
>  
>      Does anyone have access to the American Genealogical & Biographical 
>Index , sometimes called the Rider Index, which are of the later editions that 
>include indexing of the Boston Trancript Articles?  The LDS library only has 
>filmed the early edition without the Boston Transcript included.  We have the 
>index at our Public Library, but it only goes up to the letter S.  I know the 
>Libr ary of Congress in Washington has it.

Melvyl says:

CAT-> f tw American Genealogical & Biographical Index
The MELVYL system is working on your request...
The MELVYL system is working on your request...
The MELVYL system is working on your request...
The MELVYL system is working on your request...

Search request: F TW AMERICAN GENEALOGICAL & BIOGRAPHICAL INDEX
Search result:  2 records at all libraries

Type D to display results, or type HELP.

CAT-> d long

Search request: F TW AMERICAN GENEALOGICAL & BIOGRAPHICAL INDEX
Search result:  2 records at all libraries

1.
Title:  The American genealogical-biographical index to American
genealogical, biographical, and local history materials.
Middletown, Conn.,      Published by Godfrey Memorial Library,
1952-
Description:    p.

Subjects:       United States -- Genealogy -- Bibliography.
United States -- Genealogy -- Indexes.

Other entries: Rider, Fremont, 1885- ed.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   Z5313 U5 A55

2.
Title:  Finding aid to the key title index of the American genealogical
biographical index. Citrus Heights, CA : The Root Cellar
(Sacramento Genealogical Society), [198-]
Description:    72 leaves ; 28 cm.

Subjects:       United States -- Genealogy -- Indexes.
United States -- Genealogy -- Bibliography.

Other entries: Root Cellar (Sacramento Genealogical Society)
American Genealogical Biographical Index.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   Z5313.U5 A555


Cheers!
From: bm455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradley N. Deacon)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Quimbys in NH
Date: 7 Nov 1992 21:51:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Does anybody have a connection to the name Quimby, from NH?
Lydia Quimby was born in Sandwich in 1805, father Moses.  
According to the 1810 Sandwich census, there was a Moses, 
a Moses Jr. (probably mine), and also Enoch, Benjamin, Joseph,
John, Amos, James, Isaac, and Maj. Aaron.

I thought that with such a big family, somebody might have a
tie somehow... If so, I'd really like to hear from you.
Thanks
Brad Deacon
From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject:      family name center
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 09:56:28

Where is the organization "Family Name Center" located.  It sounds like one of those scams where they send you a printout of the phonebook like Hurlburts.

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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:18:15 -0500
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From:         Robert Thomin <durango@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      USAT Frederick Lykes:
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Hello Rooters!!
I posted several day ago about having the newspapers that was printed
on the ship that I returned on from France in December 1945.There were
numerous Rooters that replied. For the ones that never I am going to
print the editorial that was written by a PFC Arthur Migdal,the only
editorial that was published.

THE LAST LAP.....

  We are about to take the final steps that will make us full fledged
civilians. Most of us will sigh with relief over our new freedom.
Our first acts will b acomplished the neccesary steps required of us after
discharge paper recorded. We want to get a lot of sleep,drink some milk,
and possibly go an a binged,substituting good old American whisky for snapes.
We will be living our own life as we want.

  Much has been written about the things for which we were fighting-
especially the Four Freedoms. At times while coping with cold and death,
it was hard to convince ourselves that all this had real meaning. But
nevertheless did a fine job of sharing in freeing the world from a ruthless
war and stranling way of life that over-looked the law of God and every
act of decency,truth and right.

  While waiting for the Lykes at the Delta Base Section, a movie was shown-
a story of America woven about a penny. Fellows that was good stuff. Stop
and think, often, of the key words in that film: "In God we Trust";Out of
many comes on"; the two sprays of wheat;Abe Lincloln. These are acute word
pictures of all that is America- of the people,by the people,for the people.

  As we step on the shores that belong to us all, we will see a busy,busy,
country. America is on the move! We each have a share in this great
movemant forward toward a better and stranger nation. We must do our part
as well as we have completed the dirty mopping up task of the several
years.

     Vote! Vote now so that we can always vote. Learn to vote intelligently.

Cherish the daily newspaper. A newspaper is a vital organ of free
speech. Know who writes for the paper you read. Read it well.

    Spend you money wisely. Don't buy what you do not need. Protect
yourself from moneyspending madhouse.

   Take part in civic activities. It is your town or city. Help govern
it.

   Lear racial tolerance. "Out of many comes one".

  Cherish your religious freedom. "Try to understan that the foundations
of all religions are the same.

   Remember that science,transportation,commerce,even the presnt
war is and has made the world smaller place tin which to live. your next
door neighbor is the fellwo across the sea. Wea all must live together in
a great family of nations.

             America's a great name. Care for it well.

I thought this was approiate at this time. sincerley,robert thomin
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From: "stan birch" <stan.birch@canrem.com>
Subject: palatine - sparling
Reply-To: "stan birch" <stan.birch@canrem.com>
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Date: 5 Nov 92 17:23:17 EST

TO: DALLEN@pvec.bridgewater.ns.ca

David,

RE: Sparling - LimerickCo,IRL>NY>Shelburne,NS>CapeBretonCo,NS dallen

I noticed your listing for SPARLING in Roots-L, and although I have no
record of any Sparlings marrying into the BENNER or DOLMAGE families, I am
wondering of you have any record of such.

This is a brief outline of my basic Palatine family:

HENRY BENNER 1650-1720, b. Palatine > Southwell Est, Rathkeale
1709

  * PAUL BENNER, 1682-1760, m. Elizabeth RUTTLE

         AGNESS BENNER, 1731-1832, m. (1) Peter LAWRENCE (2)
                 Peter MILLER 1765-1819 > New York 1769 > St.
                              Armand, Quebec 177x

              CATHERINE MILLER, 1772-1834, m. Samuel EMBURY, s/o
              Philip

       * HENRY BENNER, 1736, m. Elizabeth DOLMAGE, 1740-1789, d/o
                        Adam DOLMAGE c1703-1790 of Castle Matrix

            * HENRY BENNER, 1770-1853 > Woodburn, Ont, Canada 1822

         JOHN BENNER, c1736-1785, m. _ DOLMAGE

Palatine names in our family include:  BENNER, CORNEILLE, CRONESBERRY,
DOLMAGE, EMBURY, LATCHFORD, LAWRENCE, MILLER, RUCKLE, & SWITZER.

Regards,
Stan

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From: ASDSLP@ALBNYVM1.BITNET (Sharon L Palmateer)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Looking for Novinger
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:56:47 GMT
Reply-To: "Sharon L Palmateer" <ASDSLP@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Organization: The University at Albany, S. U. N. Y.
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According to the NYNEX directory for New York's Capital District,
Ian C. Novinger is living at 241 Delaware Ave., Delmar, NY  12054
Phone (518) 475-9502.  It's a far cry from PA but I agree with Jill
Lilly---maybe they moved.

Sharon
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From: jcarroll@leonardo.src.Honeywell.com (Joe Carroll)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Novinger family
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Nov6.230720.1197
Organization: Honeywell SRC



Also a Novinger near Minneapolis:

Andrew and Lesia      1012 Burnsville Pkwy, Burnsville, MN
(612) 895-6917

Add this to your list!

------- Joe         jcarroll@leonardo.src.honeywell.com
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