HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:37:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.191639.9963@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew 
Solovay) writes:
>
>Yeah, but isn't the Cabal supposed to be queer-only? They may have to
>take away Ms. Chibnik's membership card and decoder ring.

No, if the Cabal existed it wouldn't have that restriction.  You may have
accidentally been in contact with the anti-Cabal, which spreads
disinformation. 

>Yeah, yeah, I know:
>* there * are * no * decoder * rings *

Certainly not.  We would use perl for that function, if it existed.

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I am confused
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:10:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan11.231057.18507
Organization: insert anything here

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Either all my friends are ganging up on me trying to sidle me with
>a new personality, or I have been missing something.
>
>In the last week, several people have told me that when they think of
>my personality/interpersonal-style,  I remind them of Mary Poppins.
>
>Does anyone have any idea:
>A) is this a good thing?
>B) what it means?

	I think --- it's the chin.  No, maybe the eys...
No of course --- it's the coloring!

;-)
BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Southern Etiquette (was Bar Etiquette)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:05:23 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan8.180135.29601@athena.mit.edu> tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:

>I don't have a clue how it got to this:

>>>Wait! you forgot about 
>>>the biscuits and gravy!  I've already given Arne the recipe for 
>>>gravy:  add flour, salt, and pepper to a pan of hot bacon
>>>grease; stir until it's a glue-like substance; add whole milk;
>>>heat (to disolve the congealed grease), and Voila! ...gravy.

>This March, on a truly foolish drive from Boston to Sarasota, I stopped
>in one of these "Shoney's", which I had never heard of until I had
>gotten south of DC.  There is a reason these don't exist north of DC.

>I had order something called a "country fried steak", which the menu
>listed as having "gravy" on it.  When it came, I had this breaded fried
>steak covered in what could only be wallpaper paste.  When I asked the
>waitress what the white stuff was, she - looking at me blankly like I
>had just asked her what direction was up - said "that's the gravy". 
>Well, I dipped my finger in it to taste it, and replied "this is not
>gravy - gravy is brown, this is a rue".  Anyhow, she didn't have a clue
>what a rue was, and I had her take it back to scrape the white stuff
>off, asking for steak sauce or something.

Before thou ventureth again south of the waters called "Potomac" or 
"Ohio", prithee get thee to a literature merchant and purchaseth a book
called "How to Tawk Suthun'".

Outside the homeland, "gravy" is this thin, watered-down stuff, usually
brown in color, and devoid of taste except for the amount of pepper or
other supposed spices added during "cooking".

In the more genteel parts of the world, gravy is what Jeff described:
you _start_ with a rue, add milk and/or cream, simmer until thickened,
then serve on breads or meats.

My late grandfather had the perfect disctinction between the two types
of sauces (please pardon my approximation of an Appalachian accent):

  "That brown stuff is soppy for my biskits with a meal.
   The white stuff _is_ a meal."

>They were really quite offended by all this.

As well they should be.  Any time I've been in Washington or points
north, I've not complained when I got blank looks as an answer to
the question "Do y'all have any Moon Pies?".

But, then again, all of us in the South know that Yankees have 
absolutely no manners.  Just look at how nicely Sherman traveled across
Georgia.  ;-)

>How do these people live on this stuff?

Easily, with hypertension, high cholesterol, and the highest rates of
heart and circulatory disease in the country.

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From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: IGLE Course Offerings
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 08:55:54 GMT

The Institute of Gay and Lesbian Education (IGLE) in
West Hollywood will conduct its second semester from
Feb 15 to May 22. Classes meet for one three-hour session
each week, for 12 weeks. There is a two-week break at
the time of the March on Washington.

(The class I took last semester -- Homosexual Ethics --
was one of the high points of last fall. I looked
forward to class each week, and I can't wait for next
semester to start.)

Courses offered include:
-----------------------------------------------------------
MONDAYS:
Holy Other: Homosexuality and Religion
	(Jennifer Rycenga and Juan Herrero)
Self-Discovery thru Composition: Writing Gay and Lesbian Identities
	(Rodney Simard)
How Did We Happen? Literary Sources of the Comtemporary Gay and
	Lesbian Identity  (Luke Johnson)
Introduction to International Gay and Lesbian Cinema
	(Stephen Tropiano)

TUESDAYS:
Ritual, Music and Gender: The Folklore of Homosexuality
	(Manuel Fernandez)
The Psychology of Lesbian Experience (Bronwyn Anthony)
Queer Space / Queer Trade

WEDNESDAYS:
The Psychological Development of Gay Men
	(Mark Danson / Greg Travis / Simon LeVay)
Performance Art: the Queer Risk (David Lloyd)
Lesbian and Gay Fiction Writing: Words in Progress
	(Elisabeth Nonas)
Lesbian Poetry Workshop  (Pamela Gray)

THURSDAYS:
Homosexual Ethics  (Jim Stramel)
Communicating in French  (Jean Adloff)
Introductory Spanish  (Carrie Tamburo)

SATURDAYS:
Drawing and Painting  (Harold Cleworth)
-----------------------------------------------------------

All classes are $175 ($150 for a second course in the same
semester; $85 for those unemployed by reason of disability).

For more information, contact:

   Institute of Gay and Lesbian Education
   626 N. Robertson Blvd.
   West Hollywood, CA 90069
   (310) 652-1786

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Clinton Advised To End Gay Military Ban Quickly
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:48:25 GMT
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Friday's Los Angeles Times' said in a page 1 story [below the fold] that
Clinto is being advised to end the ban on discrimination against gays in 
the military quickly, and not to prolong the tension between activists
and military officials by establishing a commission to study the issue.
However, instead of issuing a more historic Executive Order similar to the
one issued by Harry Truman in 1948 to desegregate the military, Clinton 
will be advised to issue a 'memorandum of instruction' to the Secretary
of Defense telling him to rescind the military ban. The legal effect
would be identical to an executive order. Nothing was said about ending
discrimination based on  sexual orientation in other areas of federal
employment, such as the FBI/CIA/etc, in the LA TIMES story.


   
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:10:04 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>Watch a big Duraflame log in the fireplace and listen to Buddy Guy.  After
>what I went through from 26-Dec through 30-Dec, it was all I could handle.

Anything you'd like to share?
								FJ!!
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stonewall and Gay Pride
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:23:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan12.005909.16713@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> To be sure, there are important and significant precedents
> in the traditions of nearly all countries that are highly
> relevant to our struggles, irrespective of our own
> nationalities.  Still, Stonewall fixes a point in history
> that well serves *all* people in these struggles, whether
> they live in Europe, Australia, Asia, or the Americas.

I'd go a bit further than you on this, Jess, and
claim that the gay and lesbian subcultures which 
are now to be seen all over the world from Toronto
to Tokyo (with some regional differences) are 
specifically American in origin and simply wouldn't 
exist in their present forms had it not been for 
Stonewall.

Arne
From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:26:40 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <KMEYER.93Jan11141657@solarium.aero.org>, kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>>>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.
> 
> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) said:
>> I don't know whether or not Roger is kidding, but even if
>> he is I agree with his statement.  We're commemorating a
>> specific event, or so I thought.  It seems that the holiday
>> is losing its meaning and it's not even 25 years old.
> 
> Well, Gay pride celebrations mean different things to different people.
> 
> Personally, I don't believe that commemorating Stonewall is the most
> important function of a Gay Pride Celebrations.  From what I've seen,
> most people in my (younger) age group tend to agree with this--if they
> even know what Stonewall is, which many don't.

It seems to me that the day that we achieve equality and acceptance in our
society, Gay Pride becomes meaningless.  That's why there isn't Straight
Pride Day, or White Pride day, or Male Pride day.  Gay Pride is an act
of defiance.  It is an act of political consciousness raising.  We can't
win acceptance from others until we accept ourselves.  That's what it
means, when you say, "Proud to be Gay."  

If we have won the struggle,
then the day of Gay Pride has passed.  If we have not yet won the
struggle, then Gay Pride Day is a political act in the tradition
of the Stonewall riot, which was a turning point in the fight.  By
origin, it was a commemoration of that riot, and even if you move
it to January, its very existence is a reference to that history,
whether acknowledged or not.

Again, if we have won the battle, then we can forget our history.
Stonewall can become a rallying cry of our forebears, who fought to
liberate us, but that's so long ago, it's as irrelevant to us as
the battle of Thermopylae.  Come on, guys, let's forget that old
fogie stuff and go dancing!  They were just a bunch of old queens, 
anyhow!

If the struggle is still ongoing, then their struggle is our struggle,
and their courage in a time of oppression worse than ours is an
inspiration.  It makes me proud to be gay, proud to follow in their
footsteps.

That's what Gay Pride means to me.

--
Mike Pettersen, Ecole Normale Superieure
msp@physique.ens.fr
Perfect love casteth out fear.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:21:58 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

wood@siemens.com (Jim Wood) writes:

>I had discussed this particular issue extensively with Rob
>Bernardo, and we both came to the conclusion that a "twink"
>had characteristics defined both by physicality and personality.

>The physical nature of the twink, as Jess stated above, is one
>of a hairless, lean, and muscular (but not too muscular) male
>who aspires towards feminine and currently fashionable ideals
>of beauty.

>The typical personality of a twink is one of "AFH:" an attitude
>from hell, a notion of superiority that establishes a caste system
>based on one's physical appearance where the ideal is the physical
>nature of the twink stated above.

My experience: for at least ten years now, since a friend named Neal
in Las Vegas called an attractive young man a "twinkie", I have 
associated it with just that: an attractive young man.  For me,
the primary attribute for assigning twink status is the same as 
using the term "chicken", except that I usually mean "chicken"
to be underage, whereas "twink" to mean young but legal.  Now that
I've learned about the term "bear", it is quite possible to imagine
a hirsute but young man being a "bearcub".

I would imagine there are as many definitions for twinks and bears
as there are twinks and bears.  Your mileage may vary.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dallas (was Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott)
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:35:23 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:

>David Casti (dise@decoy.uoregon.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1992Dec30.163206.10489@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se  
>: (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>: > In article <1992Dec30.140427.2820@convex.com> cgraham@convex.com (Chip  
>: Graham) writes:
>: 
>: > >By the way, Dallas is the only major city in Texas to actively persecute
>: > > gays. 
>: 
>: Wait a minute.  I thought Dallas was the city where the police conducted an  
>: anit-gaybashing sting operation a few months ago...

>Bzzzt.  That was Houston.  A few things worth noting; Dallas uses the
>excuses that homosexual sex is against the law in TX from hiring openly
>gay cops; none of the other major cities in TX use this excuse.  

Also, when I was living there they were actively trying to gerrymander the
city council district lines in such a way that Oak Lawn, the city's gay
ghetto, would be split in three parts and be subsumed into more homophobic
districts.  This was a direct response to Dallas Gay Alliance President 
Bill Nelson's bid to win a seat on the city council.
-- 
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bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
From: jld1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr J.L. Dawson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:50:49 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

Can anyone send me a copy of the article referred to (RHAYDEN.92Dec26173107),
as it has disappeared into the great archive in the sky, and I need to read it
again in full to reply. Thanks.
From: tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Boston: LesBiGay Arts Night At MIT
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:52:17 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Reposting - first one seems to have "gone south":

GABLES ARTS GALA
Friday, January 22  7:30 PM Killian Hall, MIT 14W-111

On Friday, January 22 at 7:30 PM in MIT's Killian Hall,
GABLES at MIT (Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian Employees and Supporters)
proudly presents the GABLES ARTS GALA: an evening of 
performances including classical and popular music,
fiction and poetry.  Suggested donation is $7.00, $5.00 for members
of the MIT community.  Killian Hall is located on the ground floor
of MIT's Hayden Library at 160 Memorial Drive, between Ames Street 
and Massachusetts Avenue.  Free parking is available in the East 
Garage on the corner of Main and Vassar Streets.  For more 
information, call GABLES at (617) 252-1014.
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: BAR Manners in Boston....
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:49:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:

>Bob Donahue asks:

>>> WHY!!!  WHY are there no dart boards in any of the Boston bars!

>Answer simple: I wouldn't GO IN a bar that had darts as I wouldn't trust 95% of
>the Bitch Divas in this town with a sharp object.  Hasn't it ever struck you as
>odd that VERY FEW of the bars serve drinks in GLASS glasses?

Here, in the Cultural Epicenter of the Western Hemisphere, there
are bars with darts.  And glass glasses (though you can't take them
out into the parking lot).  Though not every establishment is so
equiped.

More common are pool tables.  I haven't been a Bar Boy in a few
months, but in my day had developed a pretty mean game.  The
advantage of pool is that you HAVE to BEND OVER to play...

A very appropriate sport, indeed.

*X*
From: muir@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: LGB studies
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:03:02 GMT
Organization: New York University

I realize that this is probably in a FAQ or something, but does anyone out
there have a list of universities that offer graduate degrees/courses in 
LBG studies?  If possible, could this be sent to me at:

vuntinj@acfcluster.nyu.edu

Th (posting from a friend's account)
JV
From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Therbligs (zw{i,a}cky matters)
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.052928.19051
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <lkmhbgINN25m@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>In <C0G27z.90u@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes
>|In article <92366.144938SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>|>A therblig is a 'Gilbreth' spelt backwards, Gilbreth as in 'John Kenneth'.
>|>It is a unit of task; one therblig is a motion taken in the process of
>|>accomplishing a task.  (for instance, picking up a nail is a therblig,
>|>if you're nailing shingles on.)
>|
>|John Kenneth?  Then surely you meen "Galbraith", and the reversal would
>|be a "thiarblag".
>
>You're close.  There is a book (and subsequent movie), which is either
>LIFE WITH FATHER or CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN (I can never remember which
>is which).  It is based on real people, written by one of the
>children.  The father, Mr. Gilbreth, was one of the first so-called
>efficiency experts, so it's not surprising that a technical term was
>named for him.

Both of the Gilbreths (Frank and Lillian) were efficiency experts.

I believe that she was the one who came up with the concept of
reducing each task to its component units, so it's not surprising that
the unit was named after _her_.

If you read more about the Gilbreaths than "Cheaper by the Dozen" you
will find out that she was considered by many (not just women, this
isn't revisionism) to be the real innovator.



-- 
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR  shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: penis size
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:37:13 GMT

portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) wrote: 
->In article <1993Jan5.152527.6888@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com writes:
->> Entire bars become silent if I walk in wearing lycra shorts
->> with a big fat hardon snaking down the leg.
->
->I simply MUST go to Paris and visit again sometime.

you HATEFUL bitch!

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:08:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.121046.8502@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com
(Joseph Francis) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.114002.10153@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <72990@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
>>(George Dalton Madison) writes:

>>>and you can make yourself
>>>something totally unique.

>>Not more uniquer yet?

>I think he meant to type 'like totally' unique.  He does
>have a totally unusual style doesn't he, almost unique.

De gustibus; not quite unusual enough, perhaps.  But it's
his own and part of his charm-substitute, eau de George.

Now Jojo, I know it's lunchtime where you are, but if you
mention patchouli (essence de cul merdatre) one more time,
I'll be unable to face breakfast.  Please dear, be sensible,
steer the folk toward Morrocan chypre or oak moss or even
what passes for musk (nothing except the real thing does),
but do help me rid the world of patchouli; we had enough for
22 civilizations in the 60s, when you were the tiniest of
tots.

>US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.

So it has been widely reported.  The way I heard it was:
dripping, sufficiently dirty, and very experienced.  Close
enough!

-- 
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From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Glendale
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:24:54 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan8.171613.22010@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.162139.19231@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>And, after all, aside from having Dinah Shore sing
>>in a sleepy, narcotized voice about Glendale as "Glendale Federal',
>>and being the place where Joan Crawford escaped /from/ in "Mildred
>>Pierce", it really doesn't have a lot to say for itself, or to be proud of.
>
>Doesn't it have the largest Armenian community outside of Yerevan?  Yum.

Racist!  :-)
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