HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<1992Aug26.232922.17792@javelin.sim.es.com> <16238@pitt.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:44:29 GMT

In article <16238@pitt.UUCP> km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
writes:

I post this plea, rather than sending Email, in the hopes of cooling
people down a bit.

   Well, I view this as the final straw. As I have indicated before, I
   have always been worried about the possibility of people taking the
   net too seriously, of view information here as medical advice and to
   infer some type of doctor-patient relationship from encounters here.
   The increasing insistence from others regarding the tone, nature,
   and content of postings from medical people here has me worried.
   Gordon posted honest, factual information regarding spina bifida and
   associated conditions, and is being reamed for it because of
   "netside manner", whatever that is.

Ken, I sincerely hope that the noise level here will not dissuade you
from continuing to share your knowledge here.  Your postings, along
with Gordon's and Steve's, are consistently the best informed and
highest quality.

In at least some cases, the search for a solution to a long time
problem involves a lot of talking and getting opinions and anecdotes
-- mostly bad.  Anything that adds real information to this pot is
helpful.

I am not a lawyer, and cannot give legal advice; however, I cannot
believe that any danger from informational posting cannot be deflected
by something reasonable like a standard disclaimer in your .sig (or
whatever).

Of course, there are those who sue for anything at all; however, the
only way to avoid these morons is to not talk or do anything at all.
I hope you will continue to give of your precious time to add real
information here.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: rdumer@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil (Ruth Dumer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Chronic Vaginitis in 5 year old?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:45:38 GMT
Organization: U.S. ARMY MATERIEL SYSTEMS ANALYSIS ACTIVITY (AMSAA), APG, MD.

I have to respond to your plea for information, I have been to many
doctors on this with my 5 year old daughter. Finally we went to a
very well known pediatric urologist at John Hopkins who quickly diagnosed
our daughter with a, I think the term is, vaginal septum, in other
words a growth of skin which causes urine to 'pool' within the area
after urination a few drops of urine remain in the area (he showed me
but it was not obvious to me that there was anything out of the 
ordinary!) anyway he explained that bactrica would grow in the area
from the urine, causing a vaginal infection. Urine tests would show
'high white blood cell count' indicating infection, but antibotics
would 'kill' all germs (both bad and good, apparently good germs
are needed in the area) and if these are not present then, vaginal
infection (its an endless circle, that believe me I have been though!)
His advise, topical cream (monostat 2 times daily for 7 days) then
coat the area with regular Vasoline, daily. He also suggested a routine
of completely drying the area after each void, but it was TOO extensive
and I was worried about what this would do to her sense of priviacy, just
like you! Anyway good news, he said she would out grow this AND that is
is very common among little girls (funny our pediatrician was not
aware). Hope this helps!! Really I do, I've been through this!!
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hiccups
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:05:11 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug31.150629.20247@csc.ti.com- alanj@dadd.ti.com writes:
-I don't know if this is the right group to post these questions to, but:
-
-1.  Does medical science understand what causes hiccups?
-
-2.  If so, what causes them?
-
-3.  What purpose do hiccups serve?
-
-If the answer to (3) is "dunno", I have a theory I'd like to offer . . .

We know what causes them, but we'd like to hear your theory....

 -km
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Doctor's hours
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:39:02 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug25.014751.9295@lowton.rn.com- mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell) writes:
-
-My girlfriend took up a House Officer position, here in the UK,
-3 weeks ago. Her hours are completely ludicrous. 
-   Has anyone any observations on what this sort of stint would
-actually do to someone.

Yes. It will probably turn her into a doctor.

 -km


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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: How to get to FDA BBS?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:39:57 EDT

>
In article <1992Aug25.163652.9932@athena.mit.edu> jgnassi@athena.mit.edu (John Angelo Gnassi) writes:
>In article <r+an0na.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>A few months ago, I read about network access to an FDA bulletin board.
>>The telnet address is fdabbs.fda.gov, but I don't remember the logon
>>instructions.  Can anyone help?

in a recent post, jgnassi@athena.mit.edu gave the phone numbers
available to reach the FDA BBS, and reiterated that to log on
for the first time one need only type bbs at the login: prompt.

The FDA BBS can be reached via telnet at 150.148.8.48

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mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Help : Dark circles around eyes
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 09:11:10 EDT

In article <1992Aug24.111143.2109@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> abh@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>I have dark rings around my eyes. I have tried consulting physicians and
>vitamins but it just doent go. I think that I get adequate sleep too. I
>have heard that this is hereditary sometimes. My mother does have the same
>problem but no one else in the family does. Is there anyway I could get rid
>of this problem. Please help. Thanks in advance.

When I was in medical school, I asked my most admired teacher of internal
medicine, "What causes bags under the eyes?"  The professor listed a long
list of conditions associated with bags under the eyes (insomnia, renal
failure, any chronic illness) but he indicated it can also be benign
(not associated with disease).  I then repeated my question: "What causes
bags under the eyes."  My professor said: "I don't know.  I don't think
anybody does."  (that was circa 1975 - and science marches on)

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mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
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From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: Are those circles PERMANENT?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.014947.136187@zeus.calpoly.edu>, dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Daniel R. Field) writes:
>      Do the dark circles around eyes caused by lack of sleep remain after
> one becomes well rested?  Is there any "buildup" of this condition, and
> is anything permanent?
>      I can see it now: "Sir, you look like you need some sleep!" -- "No,
> those are just old sleep deprivation scars from my college days..."

My source is hardly scientific (plus I don't even remember it very
well) - a beauty magazine I read many years ago said that circles
due to consistent loss of sleep over about a month (i think it
said) could become permanent. 

Mine are permanent whether caused by lack of sleep or allergies.
My sister said that people with deep-set eyes may have more of a
problem with circles. 

Mine faded a little with exposure to sunlight, but since I cover
them up, they rarely get any.

What *are* circles, anyway?  And why does lack of sleep cause them
as well as sinus pressure?
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.fitness
From: jayc@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jay Crawford)
Subject: Tendinitis in Foot
Keywords: tendinitis
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:28:15 GMT

I came down hard on my right heal while playing basketball a few years ago and 
I now have tendinitis.  It is flairing up pretty badly these days and I want to
know what I can do to treat it.  My doctor is very reluctant to use steroids, asI am, so I guess I am wondering what I can do for it when it flairs up.  Is it
better to treat tendinitis with ice or moist heat?  Any exercises I can do to
prevent it from coming back?  I am open to any suggestions.  Thanks!


-- 
Jay Crawford          
jayc@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: SIDS death at daycare
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:38:20 GMT


Yesterday, a 4 month old baby boy died while at an in-home
day care, here in El Segundo.  He was placed in a crib for
a nap at 1:00 PM and was found at 2:00 PM.

The day care provider looked at him and saw blood and mucus
on the sheets.  She turned him over and he was still warm.
She called 911 and they advised doing CPR, since no one 
knew how many minutes it was since he stopped breathing.
The police and paramedics arrived, but it was too late.

They are doing an autopsy, but I doubt that I would hear
anything, unless my babysitter hears of the results from
the day care provider whos home the baby died in.

What puzzles me is the blood!  Why would there be blood
coming out of the baby's nose and mouth?

Since my second daughter is only 8 months old, I still
worry about SIDS and especially worry when I hear of a
baby dying.  I am so upset for the parents and the day
care provider.  They must be going through hell.

I hope theres an answer someday soon to why some babies
die from SIDS.  Maybe some of these deaths can be
prevented.  Its so awful!


Sandy

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: regis@eriador.Prime.COM (Charles Regis)
Subject: Synovitis
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:56:26 GMT

I was wondering if someone can give me some advice on this. I have
been told that I have Synovitis on my knees by a sports doctor. 

I love to jog (about 20 miles a week) and play soccer and squash 
sometimes. It has been suggested to me to stop doing these activities 
as it hurts my knees. I plan to continue jogging though at a slower
pace and to reduce squash and soccer. 

What sort of steps should I take to protect my knees further? Any
advice or suggestions? Also, what exactly is Synovitis and how 
bad can it get? I am 28, am 5ft 8inch and weigh 138lbs (if that will 
make any difference).  Thanx for any info. 

-- 
CHARLES ANDREW REGIS 
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: CFIDS and Lyme
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:56:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep2.053319.580@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>
>Now, as for symptom lists for Lyme and CFS, depending on who you
>listen to they overlap 100% except for ECM and blown knees (or other
>synovia with excess fluid).  There are no differential diagnostic
>symptoms except these two.  And 40% of Lyme patients never develop
>ECM; a higher proportion never get the fluid in the joints.  

The clinical diagnosis of Lyme can be difficulty, but one is
not left to complete guesswork. You can consider the prevalence
in the area, recent outdoor activities, positive serology
(not great, but far from meaningless, especially when positive)
, characteristic rash, joint findings, etc.. In fact, the
case definition of CFS asks specifically that Lyme disease
be excluded. To the extent that that is possible, a diagnosis
of Lyme excludes CFS.

>And while we're talking about "legitimate researchers".  My long
>personal experience is that the mainstream guys who publish in NEJM
>have their heads firmly planted in the sand.  I've been treated by 3
>of em.  Treated badly, in ways that contributed to my Lyme becoming
>deep seated and currently incurable.  I see them ignoring fundamental
>facts, searching for post-Lyme syndrome, CFIDS, autoimmune diseases,
>rather than recognizing their treatment failures for what they are:
>persistent infections.  This despite work in the European journals for
>several years now reporting culturing Bb in patients treated with the
>mainstream protocols.

Your calling them persistent infections makes it so?

Brian
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:11:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Aug24.141401.11022@apgea.army.mil> sjnaccar@apgea.army.mil (Susan J. Naccarato <sjnaccar>) writes:
>
>Would someone please tell me the side effects that can occur while
>taking this drug.  Seems to me it's being prescribed quite frequently.
>
> [examples deleted]
>
>Just seems to
>me that Xanax is being handed out to these young women the way some doctors
>used to throw the valium to them.  Exact words of one of these girls to me
>were "everyone I know is on Xanax".
>
>I know Xanax has been addressed in this group before, but I don't remember
>everything that was said.  Besides wanting to know the side effects, is
>it addictive.

My brother is a pharmacist, and has told me that Xanax has taken over from
Valium as the general-purpose overprescribed tranquilizer of choice.  Too 
many doctors and patients associate the name Valium with addiction, abuse, 
etc.  Xanax doesn't (yet) have that sort of bad association.  Also, Xanax 
allegedly has more of a euphoric effect than Valium.

Some while back, a co-worker was prescribed this stuff.  Maybe he was abus-
ing it, but it was quite obvious when he was on it -- euphoric, overly
friendly, etc.  Since it's a benzodiazepine (sp?) like Valium, dependence
and abuse are certainly possible.  The co-worker I mentioned was pretty
surly when he was being weaned off his Xanax.  He's fine now.

Look it up in a PDR for more detailed info, including side-effects.

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry
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From: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone)
Subject: Cancer question
Reply-To: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:34:10 GMT

A friend has breast cancer, treated by radiation & chemo last year but
now metastasticized into spine, which has been radiated.  I am asking
for general information on the outlook.  Thanks.

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From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Siamese twins
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:40:47 GMT
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: Jay.Hergert@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org's message of 24 Aug 92 13:23:11 GMTLines: 17

In <10709.2A98E520@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Jay.Hergert@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org writes:

> Does any body know how often Siamese twins are born and how long do they live?  
> Do they live to adult hood?

As I recall, there's a very nice chapter on conjoined twins, including the
history of their exploitation as sideshow "freaks", how they came to be known
as "Siamese" twins, history of surgical separations, diagnosis & management of
twin pregnancies in which conjoined twinning is suspected or confirmed, etc.,
etc., etc., in PREGNANCY, BIRTH AND FAMILY PLANNING by Dr. Alan Guttmacher, who
was, at the time, professor of ob/gyn at New York's Mount Sinai & director of
planned parenthood.  Book is from mid-70's - maybe a *tad* outdated now, but
info is clearly written & informative for lay folks.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hiccups
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:44:06 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep2.165215.22959@csc.ti.com> alanj@dadd.ti.com writes:

>>It is food stuck in the trachea, not the esophagus, that is a threat
>>and it would be handy to have a reflex other than cough, which requires
>>inspiration first.  But hiccup doesn't seem to occur in these situations.
>
>Food stuck in the esophagus is not a threat??  If the food's not going 
>down, the body has a bit of a problem, although not life threatening.
>
Food rarely gets stuck for long in a normal esophagus.  If you have
a diverticulum or a tumor or scleroderma, that's different, but in
those cases, hiccuping isn't going to help much.

>Sorry, your comment on "vagal tone" has no meaning to me (my dictionary's
>definition sheds no light in this context).  Like I said, I have no medical
>background, but if you have the time, perhaps you could elaborate a bit.
>

Vagal tone refers to the level of parasympathetic activity of the
vagus nerve.  It should be in your medical dictionary.  The vagus
regulates the heart as well as visceral activity.

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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Do Doctors Give a Damn? The Other Health Care Crisis
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:37:59 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <geavNhi00iUxQ3P258@andrew.cmu.edu> lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio) writes:
>Medical costs have been justified on the basis of:
>1) Insulation of the consumer by insurance from real costs;
>
>2) Technology; and
>
>3) Litigation
>
>In the discussion, it has been assumed that the consumer has a real
>choice in the course of treatment. I would claim that in part because of

Actually, in all the discussions that I've seen, it has been assumed
that one of the problems is that the patient is in a poor position
to choose.  It is usually the doctor or the insurance company
that makes the decisions as to what the patient will get.

>care and no care at all. It would be nice to have other choices - like
>larger roles for non-physician providers.
>
The legal stuff influences that too.  The cost of malpractice
insurance has practically killed the nurse-midwife business.
Only by working for an institution or a corporation can a
nurse-midwife afford to have insurance.  It is not practical
for most nurses to be out there on their own practicing for
this and other reasons (such as not being able to prescribe).


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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: CFIDS and Lyme
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:37:19 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Aug28.162338.10877@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>    
>    2.  prior tests in years past for lyme disease have been negative ... all
>    i can say is that at least people with a lyme disease diagnosis get
>    respect for living with a serious illness.
>    
>Lyme is a clinical diagnosis, and is essentially indistinguishable in
>symptoms from CFIDS.  Many people (40%) never have the characteristic

Lyme is a disease with a definitely identified cause (the borrelia
spirochete).  It is true that it can produce many different
symptoms, but it is not at all in the same category with CFS,
for which no cause has yet been identified.  Lyme is in the
differential diagnosis of patient presenting with fatigue.  So
are other diseases, such as mono and MS.

>(some researchers speculate that much of MS is undiagnosed Lyme, and
>that all of CFIDS is).
>
I've never seen any legitimate researcher speculate that much of MS
is undiagnosed Lyme.  Only quacks who do no research, but only
charge huge sums to patients with MS for giving them worthless
lyme treatments.  Do you have anyone in particular in mind, or
did you just toss this one out?




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From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:40:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: What are the symptoms of Epstein-Barr virus?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Seeking Info. on Angiogram
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:22:50 GMT

In article <92242.025438RFB3@psuvm.psu.edu> RFB3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
> I am kindly requesting information concerning the angiogram procedure as a di a
> gnostic tool.  More specifically, I would like to know the risk(s) associated
> with, and the possible complications resulting from, this exam.
 
I can't add anything to Gordon's excellent description of angiography.
 
However, as a patient who's had angiograms, I can say that I suffered "hot
flashes" when the radio-opaque dye was injected through the catheter.  My
doctors said that was common;, moreover, some of their patients even felt
nauseated when the dye went in.
 
[Note: Radio-opaque means X-rays are blocked by it.  The dye itself is not
radioactive; but you do need to be shot with X-rays -- to see where the
X-rays can't get through.]
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Do "deodorant rocks" contain aluminum?
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:35:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Dunno about deodorant rocks, but there's an Israeli deodorant called
"Lavilan" available form many health food stores. It was tested at Tel
Aviv University Hospital. It is claimed to need to be used only once
every 3-14 days (in tests that was its effectiveness).

It uses two herbs in a Zinc Oxide base, and is claimed to work by
killing perspiration bacteria. The period of effectiveness is the time
it takes for the bacteria to regenerate enough to stink again.

I started using it last week and it seems to work just fine. You
wash your underarms and put it on at night, and wash it off the next
morning.

It's a bit expensive (about $12) but considering the infrequent
application, probably works out to less per day than "normal"
deodorants.
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