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From: burati@apollo.hp.com (Mike Burati)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Info on road/touring bikes
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:54:12 GMT
Followup-To: burati@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

(PLEASE REPLY BY EMAIL AS I DON'T GET TO READ NEWS EVERY DAY)

Hi,
    I've just started looking at road/touring bikes (the Fuji 10spd
I got back in Junior High just isn't worth fixing, and I'm tired of
borrowing bikes :-).  I think I'm getting over sticker shock, but
figuring out the differences between the brands is impossible.
All the bike stores seem to have dozens of types (and price levels)
of mountain bikes and only 1 low end (<$500) road/touring bike.

I've looked at the following (each at a different shop):

1991 Specialized Sirrus Sport 14spd     $349
1991 Specialized Sirrus Triple 21spd    $449
 (both discontinued and Specialized's new low end supposedly starts
  at around $600)

91/92? Bianchi Europa   $499.99

1992 Trek 400   (somewhere around $500?)

1992 Miyata's (can't remember the exact model numbers, but they
    started at $569, then $599 for a triple ring, then $699 for
    their entry level racing bike).

I haven't had any of them modified to fit, here's what I found:

The Specialized needed a *much* longer stem than the standard
one, to line up the bars with the front axle (several inches too
short).  They were 54cm bikes, which I thought felt small, but
the guy at Belmont Wheel works who's been doing this for decades
insisted that they fit me better than the 55cm (they had both
in stock, so that wasn't a factor) (supposedly the Specialized
is measured differently, so they would be 55 and 56 on another
line).

The Trek only needed a slightly longer stem than it's standard one
(about an inch off).  This was a 56cm frame and  I thought the
fit was close, but the salesman (seemed new at the job) said he
thought 54 would be better.

The Miyata (only the $699 racing bike was in stock) fit exactly,
but seemed to have a stem that was twice as long to start with,
and the frame was a 58cm, which I had no problem standing over.
This did make the seat height too close to the stem height, but
I would think that would be fixed by going to 56cm, which they
thought was the size I should be in (and they didn't even have
a 56cm in stock).

Anybody have any suggestions at other low end road bikes?
(supposedly Raleigh has a $400 bike this year, but it's been
sold out for the year at the factory for months now).

Any to stay away from?

Anybody know more about the Specialized Sirrus line, and why
they discontinued it (sales dude, claimed that they only
discontinued it because they (Specialized) could make a lot
more money selling $600 road bikes, and were already making
a ton of money on their mountain bikes...)  This is the best
deal I've seen yet (best components for the money, and a discount
price since it's last years bike).  I'm going to go back and
try one (hopefully with a longer stem), but I would like to know
if anybody's heard of any problems with this bike.

..Mike
burati@apollo.hp.com
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles
Subject: another altimeter option (expensive)
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399


The latest REI catalog, which just came in my mail, has
another option for people considering either the Avo 50 or
the Casio Alti-Depth for altimeters on rides.  It's more
expensive, but has some options other posters were looking
for.

"Thommen Traveller(R) Altimeter.
Measures altitude in 3-ft./1-m increments (to 19,999
ft./6000m); total ascent; total descent; net change;
highest; lowest; barometric trend; time and more.
Altitude and time alarms.  Accurate to 31 ft. over any
3,000-ft. range.  Uses one 9v battery.
4-1/4"x2-3/8"x7/8"; 4.6 oz. (with battery)."

Unfortunately, this gem goes for $185, enough to get an
Avocet and a Casio and a calculator for averaging the
readings :-(
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Wanted - Small road bike.
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:29:03 GMT


I am looking for a used small (50 cm or less) 
road bike.


-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis
From: kelley@frodo.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: FOR SALE 91 Serotta
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:54:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research

1991 Serotta 56cm.  Shimano Dura Ace STI, 
8 Speed.  Contact Steve Worley 
worley@ncar.ucar.edu
(303) 497-1248
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Help with a Bike Rack
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:41:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Rec.Bicycles.Marketplace:

			I'm not sure if this is the right newsgroup to post
this to, but since it is sort of a review of an item, and/or a want-ad, I
decided to post it here.  
	Anyway, does anybody have any recommendations as to a good, cheap
rack to fit on a Mazda RX-7 (the newer body style)?  A friend of mine is l
looking for one.
		Thanks!
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell)
Subject: Re: Brake pad advice sought	
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:27:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.192210.14329@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
|> Keywords: 
|> 
|> I am looking for advice on a braking problem, specifically 
|> replacement brake pads.  My girlfriend recently "inherited"
|> my Marin Bear Valley (mtb) when I upgraded to a Rocky Mountain.
|> It is equipped with Shimano 400LX equipment with "4-finger" 
|> brake levers.
  ETC... 
|> The rear pads are Eagle Claws - Cool Stops and are almost brand
|> new.  Their braking performance is *really* poor.
|> 
|> All of this poor performance manifested itself during a ride this
|> past weekend at Jay Peak, Vt, where she could just barely bring 
|> the bike to a safe stop because the pads were not grabbing 
|> (the Eagle claws in the back causing the problem).
|>
|>            Is there something about the other pads and/or the brake
|>            setup that can be done to improve the performance?
|> 
|>            
|> Thanks...Stuart   


It seems difficult to believe that the rear pad/brake can be blamed for
poor stopping performance going DOWNHILL.  So much of the rider's stopping
power, particularly downhill, is generated by the front brake, that the rear
is kinda irrelevant in this situation, assuming Stuart's g-friend is actually
using both brakes to stop.  Dynamically speaking, it's doubtful that she can
even move her center of mass backward far enough to prevent the rear wheel from
locking up, if she's doing an all-out stop with both brake levers.  And even if
she couldn't lock up the rear wheel in this situation, which would mean the rear
brake setup is sub-par, the front is still where ya gotta be concerned.  Try
swapping pads, front and rear, and testing things out on a downhill.  That's
where I'd start, given that I can't see your brake setup.

Michael Batchelder
mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.23.47)
From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Rear Mounted Carriers
Keywords: Eclipse Talon Laser Carrier
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:54:37 GMT
Organization: Space CUDets Int'l

In the referenced article, shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar) writes:
>
>I am looking for a rear mounted bicycle carrier for my Mitsubishi Eclipse (same
>as Plymouth Laser, Eagle Talon).  Most carriers don't fit the car properly
>since it is neither a sedan nor a hatchback exactly.  Has anybody found a
>carrier which works?  The local bicycle shop claim that none is made.

Thule has apparently just started making a rear mount rack called the
"Thule RMS system".  I saw it advertised in a catalog at REI but they
didn't have it in store.  They say that it will work on cars with
spoilers because the lower support rests on the bumper and the
vertical is designed to clear the rear of the car.  Perhaps your local
Thule dealer can get a model for you to look at.

	-- John
From: newlin@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Doug Newlin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:27:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Marin MB info wanted
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace

The last time I checked, Marin bikes were being sold by Jim Fentress
(ex HP employee) at TwoGether Tandems in FC (in the shopping
center at LeMay and Prospect).  The Marin is a well-built
bike, they have been in business for several years and the "Pine Mountain"
is one of their higher end (i.e. better quality components) bikes.  The
ones I looked at last year had LX/DX parts. They have a Team Marin bike
that is mostly titanium and XT components that is quite nice!      

I rode their "Eldridge Grade" bike (test ride only) and was impressed by
its solid feel and quick response.
From: michaelp@calvin.usc.edu (Michael Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: New Bikes.
Date: 8 Sep 1992 20:06:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu


	I'm in the market for a new bike and have found a few that I like. These
are the Zepher made by Mt. Shasta, a new '91 GT Avalance, and the Nishiki
Ariel.  Can anyone tell me what they think of these choices or if there is one
that is much better than these for around $600 - $700.

Thanks for all the help.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: william@kub.nl (William Verkooijen)
Subject: Commander alu frame?	
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 08:37:37 GMT
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands

Hi bikers,

I have the following question:

Does anybody know the brand "Commander"? It should be a frame made in
the USA. The one I saw in my local bike-shop was a 700? aluminium
frame painted red and blue. 

Has anyone experience with these frames?

Please let me know!

Thanks

William Verkooijen
E-mail: william@kub.nl



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jitendra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jitendra Kavathekar)
Subject: advice sought on cannondale's m1000 ('92)
Originator: jitendra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:40:30 GMT


Hello NetLand,

   I would like to hear opinions/impressions of the Cannondale M1000 MTB.
   I am specifially looking at the 1992 model.

   I have an opportunity to buy it for $750.  Do you think that the bike
   could be gotten  *anywhere* for much less?

 thank you
 Jitendra

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: 56cm Vitus Carbon Vitus 9
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Distribution: USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:53:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.004015.29459@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>I am posting this for a friend,
>
> 1 1/2 year old like new (hardly used) Carbon Frame.  D-A BB and headset
>installed.  Can be sold frame only or with D-A or Campy Record group/wheels.
>
>He doesn't know what to ask so any offers would be appreaited.
>
>ronf@panther.mot.com
>
>or call Kurt Rapp
>840-8200

That is area code (602) 840-8200

>
>
>-- 
>
>>
>Ron Feigen
>ronf@panther.mot.com


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: verzani@frobenius.math.washington.edu (John Verzani)
Subject: Re: Cateye Halogen Headlamp and NiCads?
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:24:56 GMT

In article <alanf.716192291@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> alanf@cs.monash.edu.au (Alan Grant Finlay) writes:
>
>However, going back to the original question, NiCads are fine provided you
>are prepared to carry a spare set (they really do go flat in an instant).
>Buying two sets costs you no more in the long run, it just means carrying
>a bit extra weight.  You should never worry about NiCads being rated at

Rather than carrying a spare set of batteries, just get a spare light. 
Set one up for high beams and one for low beams. Use only one except when
needed. The lights are pretty cheap. Also it's not too hard to find 1.8
amp-hour batteries, and they are worth the extra cost.

John


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.misc
From: mckain@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Mark E. McKain)
Subject: Brake drop bolt question
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:00:03 GMT

    I am currently building a road bike with Shimano Ultegra brakes. The
    front brake fit perfectly; however, the rear brake has too short of
    a reach. I need another 5-8mm. 

    Can someone supply me with a phone # or address of a manufacturer or
    supplier of brake drop bolts for Shimano Ultegra brakes?

    I got a quote of $60 from a local bike shop for a drop bolt. This 
    seemed to be a little steep.
   
    Any help will be appreciated.
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Headlight Advice Sought
Keywords: headlight
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:38:24 GMT

canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:

>For simple commuting (on street or bike path) a Cateye Halogen for about $15
>is quite adequate.

IMO the 2.4W bulb in a Cateye Halogen isn't adequate for regular
nightime riding (not to deny that you will be better lite with this set
up than 95% of cyclists).  While the Cateye Halogen is a good light as a
sometimes emergency measure (I take one on tours in case of an emergency).
For simple commuting on city streets I would consider a 10W halogen as a
minimum.  On back streets this will illuminate the areas between street
lights enough that you can see pot holes, glass, etc, on main streets it
will stand out adequately among automobile lights (this is an entirely
subjective appraisal, but even if it doesn't the Cateye won't and it
can't hurt).

>For night time single track riding you need something like a Nightsun;
>considerably more bucks.

Riding on unlit bikepaths you definetly need the same power set up as
for riding single track, i.e., real bright.  Remember that on bike paths
one will come across unlit cyclists riding on the wrong side, one must
be able to see an unlit object approaching at 50+ km/hr.   However, one 
doesn't need to go to the expense of a Nightsun (though I'm sure that
it's a good system).  There are lots of gell cell rechargable systems
around for less that $50, all one has to do is to replace the standard
2.4W or 3W bulb with a 10W (or greater) front bulb (save the old front
bulbs for the rear light) and (at least with the common Union parabolic
reflector) turn the front reflector side ways (just mount it on the tops
of the handle bars rather than the stem), this gives a much longer beam
pattern without being significantly narrower.  There have also been home
made set ups described which can be found in the FAQ.


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
From: javiers@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Javier Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:09:55 GMT
Subject: MTB: Kostriken Frame 4 Sale
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace

Hi Everyone,

I'm posting this for a friend:

Kostriken Frame, Fork and Stem.  Made in USA (Santa Rosa, CA)
frame mat'l: Custom Tubing (True Temper/Prestige)
Color: Clear Coated Metallic
Size: 19" center to center
extras: XT Headset and Bottom Bracket (Freebies)

$400.00 o.b.o. 

If you like more info. email to me or contact
Roger at 707-829-9271.
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Opinions-Performance Durango MTB Shoes
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Shoes, MTB, Performance 
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:29:38 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep6.154916.11299@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
>I've been suffering from sore feet, and I figure that nice stiffer
>biking shoes might help.  I'm looking at the Durango shoes from 
>Performance, costing $50.  Seems to be pretty good, and most MTB shoes
>cost something like $75.  The Durango isn't SPD compatible, but that's
>fine since I ride with clips only.

The Performance catalog says that the Durango is SPD compatible.

I am also interested in reviews of the Durango.  My Avocet 20s are getting
beat up.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: mclement@access.digex.com (Matt Clement)
Subject: Basso Graftek Complete bike
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:25:21 GMT

I'm selling my 55cm Basso Graftek (1 piece, carbon fiber racing frame)
due to a knee injury that prohibits me from riding.  The bike has less
than 750 miles on it.  It is custom painted in a black/silver fade with 11 
coats of Imron.  Full Ultegra groupo, including clipless pedals.  Bar/Stem are
Cinelli, saddle is Turbo, Suede.  Two sets of wheels, both Mavic, are included.
Headset/Post are Campy.

This is a beautiful bike, it's been kept inside and waxed regularly.  Please
send questions/offers to:

mclement@digex.com
or 202-336-3823, ask for Matt.

Asking $1500/best offer
From: casavant@elmer.orl.mmc.com (John Casavant)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Trek 330
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:30:01 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

Keywords: 

Someone is willing to sell me a trek 330 road bike bought in 1989 with low
miles.  It's been hanging in his garage for the last 9 months.  What would
an average price on a used trek 330 22" frame bike be?

E-mail responses.



thanks

_______________________/
John Casavant
MIAGD
From: broadley@lrdc5 (Bill Broadley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Dream Bike #2: S-works steel
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:26:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Got a new Dream bike, the last post seemed to create some interesting
discussions.  Most importantly that there are some reports of problems
with the MB-0 frames being to weak especially in the down tube.

This rules it out for me not as much becuase I'm espcially hard on a bike,
just use it EVERY day, and offroad at least weekly.  Not to mention races.

New nomination for Dream Bike:

Specialized S-works Steel Tange Prestige with specialized touches.

Mostly Suntour Xc-Pro (micro-drive) with a Specialized Ti seat, Ti pedals, 
Ti headset (rollers instead of bearing for the bottom races).  Specialized 
stem, seatpost, AL handlebars, kevlar tires.  14/15 spokes w/ alloy nipples.

Grease-gaurd hubs, and BB.  Bike reported weighs in about 24.5 lb's which is
the same I heard for the MB-0.  Hopefully the Microdrive saves weight that
specialized invested in a more durable frame.

Specialized has a good reputation and is big enough to really spend money on
research and custom parts.

Any discussion about any of the features of the S-works steel or any other high
end bike most welcome.  (i.e. Microdrive +/- Suntour +/- Shimano +/- etc.)  

Also I thought I'm mention that I have seen these bikes heavily discounted 
(i.e. 40%)
--
Broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu
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From: tomd@netcom.com (Tom Dempster)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles
Subject: Video Velodrome PC program
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:38:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I've been trying to locate a source for a software package which
at one time (approx 4 years ago) appeared in a bicycle mailorder
catalog. The product title was "Video Velodrome" and had a retail
price of about $70 US. Price included program discs (I think both
PC and Mac versions were available) and sensor devices of some
sort for connection to a game port. The catalog illustration de-
picted a cyclist riding a turbo trainer with his eyes glued to a 
color monitor displaying an image of a velodrome.

Program features, as I recall, were along the following lines:

A variety of competitive cycling events were supported by the
program. A single rider could save her/his results to disc for
self-competition at a later date or when saved to floppy as data
could be sent to another rider elsewhere to compete against.
Alternatively, with two game ports and two sensors, the competi-
tive event could be enjoyed by two riders simultaneously.

Unfortunately I have long since tossed the catalog in which this
interesting sounding program appeared and I cannot recall the
name of the company. My vague recollection is that the company
was located in Florida (Hopefully Northern Florida).

Any netters out there with info about this (I really didn't dream
this up folks!) please post or EMail as you see fit.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Headlight Advice Sought
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 05:03:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) wrote the following about Mt Bike
headlights:
 
> For simple commuting (on street or bike path) a Cateye Halogen for about $15
> is quite adequate.
> 
> For night time single track riding you need something like a Nightsun;
> considerably more bucks.

An alternative to the Nightsun is a Canadian brand called BLT.  In NZ they
are about 2/3 the price of a Nightsun with similar features.  They are twin
lamp 6V lead-acid systems with a charger.  The high beam on the top end
model has a 10W halogen bulb.

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