HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lowen@lorc.eskimo.com (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:04:15 -0500
Organization: LORC Enterprises

In <L30TVB13w165w@mertwig.uucp> daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>lowen@lorc.eskimo.com (Lamar Owen) writes:

>> Unfortunately, Waffle doesn't yet support killfiles in the 1.65 release
>> (which is what you are running).

>If you look carefully, you'll note that there is no mention of killfiles in
>my quoted text. Therefore, I know what a killfile is. What I mean is that
>he could simply put the subject into his killfile instead of unsubscribing
>the group.

>Waffle itself doesn't have killfiles, but the newsreaders for it do.

The newsreader I run, Helldiver, does not.  It is on the list of future 
enhancements, however.

I personally wouldn't use a kill file anyway.  Why?  Because of two reasons:
1.) Helldiver's interface is so fast and slick to use that having the reader
    selectively kill messages from the list I read would not improve my reading
    efficiency.
2.) As I found out very graphically that other day, sometimes you can get useful
    information from people that you really don't want to listen to.  So, even if
    it is a Serdar Argic that is writing, I'll at least read the first and last
    pages of their post.  Also, I don't read a whole lot of news--thus, traffic
    is not a problem.

No one has as yet answered the question:  Who first used killfiles, and why?
Which reader supportted them first?

BTW: I answered your question in a serious fashion (since the thread WAS leading up
to killfiles, and messages other then the one you quoted WERE mentioning
killfiles, thus, I presumed that you were unaware of what a killfile was, since
you are running Waffle.

As the old saying goes, "The only ignorance that is dangerous is that one that is
ignorant of being ignorant."  IOW, it is not a shameful thing to not know all the
answers; rather, admitting that fact is a sign of a maturing mind.  If I knew
all the answers, why would I be reading a.f.c in the first place?? :-)


>--
>Daniel Drucker        N2SXX       Coconut seashells whispering to me
>daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net         "Forever, forever, my Coda..."

-- 

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant          | If there were a tax on syn,
GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC | we'd all be broke.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are not those of GE and do not reflect GE policy in any way.
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: PI
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:33:23 GMT
Organization: Doug's House of Disco

Since we're talking about Pi (yum!), I feel I must point out one of my
very favorite 'fortune' quotes ...

 The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to
 constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every
 appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA
 statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant.  This
 also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change.
                 -- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers

Also, I did hear somewhere that some US governing body actually did delcare
legally that Pi was in fact *3* or something like that ... (but I don't
-- 
----------------------- \  Confucius might have once said:
Doug McLaren,            \  People who claim they don't let little things
DemoN on IRC              \  bother them have never slept in a room with a
dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  \  single mosquito.
-------------------------- /
From: jdavis@bordeaux.kpno.noao.edu (Jim Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: The puppy is dead - alt.folklore.computers will not change
Summary: Perspective?  What's THAT?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:58:27 GMT
Organization: Thomas Tupper Jr. High

In article <184650@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   Did ANYONE other than Dan Quayle and Zippy the Pinhead actually
>   vote for this turkey?
>
>   And if they did, would they admit it publicly?

Yes (along with 150 others) and yes, respectively.  Though I heard some good
reasoned arguments against the proposal after I voted for it.

I also heard an amazing amount of nasty nonsense.  I wonder what the more
vitriolic debaters would do over an issue that REALLY MATTERED...
-- 
Jim Davis            | "You caved in the moment they threatened you with
jdavis@noao.edu      |   exorcism." -- Clarissa Darling
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:18042 alt.folklore.urban:31521 alt.religion.kibology:5455
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Proper pronounciation of 'Kibo'
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:53:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

Well??  Don't leave us all waiting....

	How _do_ you make a pronoun derived from the proper noun "Kibo"?????

maybe { kibI, kibou, kibee, kibay } for { I, you, we, they }, but the latter
two would require that Kibo not be unique, else they, oops, kibay would
be of no use at all.

Maybe, just maybe, *all* netters 
are kibo, whereas, of course there is only one Kibo.
    ^                                          ^

KibI suppose kibI could deal with that, how about kibou?  And the rest of
the net, who don't read a.f.u, how could kibee explain this to kibem?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: PI
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:42:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.130503.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jbridson@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>For 8 digit calculators especially, try:
>
>          16__________
>          \/ 90032221
>
>With even the simplest calculator you can punch in 90032221, filling the 
>display, and hit square root four times, and get pi, accurate to +11 places 
>after the decimal.

You expression gives:
3.141592653932337031404188447...
Pi is:
3.141592653589793238462643383... (the last few digits may be wrong...this
is from memory).

This only matches to 9 places after the decimal, rather than the 11 you
claim.

Furthormore, yours requires 12 keystrokes, while simply entering
3.141592653 only requires 11.  From the point of view of effort of
memorizing, your requires a magic 8 digit number.  Everyone already
has memorized the 3.14 part of pi, so if they simply memorized the
next 8 digits of pi, they would get one more digit than your
formula for the same effort.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: root@lucifer.9thfloor.beadwrld (sysadmin)
Subject: Re: PDP-11: A Physical Threat :)
Keywords: Hit'n'Run
Reply-To: emf@freedom.nmsu.edu
Organization: The aNk1e ByT0rz k1uB
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135126.2632@spatula.rent.com>, azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.205112.3488@cc.tut.fi> oh3mqu@ee.tut.fi (Saastamoinen Ari) writes:
>>
>>
>>Greetings, a.f.c people!
>>
>>  This is the first article I have ever written to a.f.c, but I thought since there
>>was some discussion (it was some time ago) on computers killing people, what the heck.
>>One of my friends was just leaving the local University, and when he stepped out to
>>the hall he was almost overrun by a PDP-11. The local admins were transporting the machine to an another room. :) You can imagine my friends surprise when the vast bulk of the
>>machine was rolling (noisily) towards him. Try to imagine the impression on his face :)
>
>Perhaps you should purchase a clue from your local retailer, and
>fix your line length. Even tho the article text is right above me, I
>have no want to read it when the lines are as fucked up like this.
>

Perhaps you should shut your festering hole.  Not everyone is as perfect as
you Mr. 80-column.  as you'll notice, i'm intentionally posting this in 95
columns JUST TO IRRITATE YOU.  jerk.

I too have a PDP-11 as a Physical Threat story to relate...  once day while
removing one of the backplane units from my 11/34a I managed to make a
painful mistake.  After removing the 6 screws that held it in and finding
the backplane still stuck in there after all the years it had been held in
place, i (quite ignorantly) proceeded to work on removing those damnable
Mate-N-Lok power connectors.  It required quite a bit of force to get it to
come out AND... this force was enough to get the backplane to come out.. 
falling on my chest from a 3rd level rack mounted CPU. (I was lying on the
floor at the time)  I had about a thousand little bloody holes in my chest
from those wire wrap pins... ouch, ouch, ouch...

They sure don't make computers like they used to... (Nostalgic sniffle)

-- 
Techs	(techs@lucifer.9thfloor.beadwrld) (efichtne@dante.nmsu.edu)
	(emf@freedom.nmsu.edu) (emf@lochnar.unm.edu)
"Whaddya mean I ain't kind?  Just not YOUR kind" - Megadeth
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:43:27 GMT
Organization: Doug's House of Disco

In article <1gd5qoINNfj5@wintermute.phys.psu.edu> kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:

>I liked the one where someone posted and said:
>
>	"I have this really cool site for X-rated GIFs.  It's not in the
>nameserver yet, you'll have to use the IP address.  Just ftp to 127.0.0.1.
>You might have to logon as yourself, however".

My favorite trick? post (if you're brave) forge (if you aren't ...)

Post to some newsgroup (alt.evil is a good one!)

  Subject: Test yourself in the eyes of the Lord ...
  Followup-To: misc.test,alt.test,alt.evil
  Reply-To: alt.evil@ucbvax.something...

Now yes, I know this isn't polite, but it's fun ... :)
-- 
----------------------- \  Zippy says:
Doug McLaren,            \  - if it GLISTENS, gobble it!!
DemoN on IRC              \
dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  \
-------------------------- /
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban
From: carlos@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Miguel Borges)
Subject: Re: Proper pronounciation of 'Kibo'
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:25:44 GMT

lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>In article <27961@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>>std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>>
>>  +Kibo, what do you do on the net?  Also, what do you do in the real world?
>>
>>What's the difference?

>No one ever asks you to get a net.

No one ever asks you to get a real world, either.
-- 
\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\
C. Miguel Borges        and his EVIL TWIN BROTHER (tm)        Carlos M. Borges
carlos@morgan.ucs.mun.ca <-------------------------> carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca
Memorial University of Newfoundland, St. John's, NF. Canada []*[] <-cheap flag
From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:05:53 GMT
Organization: WNC
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <1g5s9sINN97a@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>concluding that INed is preferred.  In the MKS case most of the users'
>machines couldn't run a real version of emacs even if they tried, and
>many of the machines aren't really fast enough anyway.

That proves vi kicks emacs' butt.  The reasons being:

	-- Who the hell wants a Cray just to edit their e-mail?

	-- Vi has all the power who would ever want or need, in a editor at
	least.  Anything that it doesn't do shouldn't be done by an editor.
-- 
Aryeh M. Friedman, President, WorldNet Communications (aka bum from netland)
1720 E. Monte Vista, Phoenix, AZ, 85006, USA  "I need the numbers now!!!!"-anon
(602) 258-5781 		Disclaimer: I don't usually speak for my company.
E-mail: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu, aryeh@wnc.com and flames to liar@bush.whouse.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: octal to decimal converter?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:43:35 GMT

In article <BzAv2I.6o4@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.030730.20175@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>> In many instances, the PDP-8 wins hands down on programming for the shortest
>> number of instructions to solve a particular problem,
>
>It better, considering you've only got 12 bits of address space to shove those
>instructions into.

For your information, the last commonly sold PDP-8 configuration with that
limitation was about 1967, since by then most machines were being sold with
8K.  I don't understand your whining about late '70's use of a 4K PDP-8
since by then virtually every one of them was running OS/8 which requires
8K with good enough peripherals, and 12K with most of the small systems
configurations being sold (RX01, etc. are so feeble that they need more
memory to support them, etc.).  In fact, when the 8/a came out, (not for the
short-lived OEM imbedded computer market, but rather for complete system
usage, meaning at least a CPU, memory, peripherals, disk, terminal, O/S, etc.)
the *smallest* memory you could get was 16K, and typically 32K/board.  The
KT8A supported up to 4 of those for a total of 128K words.

When CESI brought out their memory, they upped the address space from 
DEC's limits of 15 or 17 bits to 19 bits.

Saying that the PDP-8 only has a 12-bit space is like saying that the
PDP-10 only has an 18-bit space.  Both are untrue because if you need more,
it's available.

cjl
From: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: oops.
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:12:49 GMT
Reply-To: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Dec14.231922.12364@cc.tut.fi> oh3mqu@ee.tut.fi (Saastamoinen Ari) writes:
>
> Regarding my last article, the frigging xrn's editor somehow let
>me pass the 80 char width.... sorry if i caused any inconvenience.


No prob,
try to
keep it
under
10 though
ok? Thanx

-keith :)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:22:19 GMT
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

In article <1992Dec13.000603.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rebill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Russell E. Billings) writes:
>In article <1gdildINNee6@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>> lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) writes:
>>>Does anyone have an article on the history of internet worm?
>> 
>> There was a pretty good article on it in JACM a couple of years ago
>> ('90 I think but I can't remember exactly).  It should be pretty easy
>> to find.
>
>Assuming that Jim meant "Communications of the ACM", here is the article
>in question:
>
>   Spafford, E.H. The Internet Worm: Crisis and aftermath. Communications
>       of the ACM, volume 32, number 6 (June 1989).
>
>I, too, was very glad that my University was not part of the Internet that
>day.
>

I had an account on a public site (Portal, cup.portal.com). Im pretty
sure that they got hit with this thing (they run, or did run, Sun 3s)
because I remember getting really really pissed off that I couldnt
login. Of course, I had no clue as to what was happening, and its
pretty common for Portal to go out of service every once in a while...

On another topic, can anyone give me a general timeline of the Great
Renaming? I think it happened in 1986? I am just curious, because 
I used to have stuff that refered to the old names, and it confused
the hell out of me. (if you cant tell, its real easy to confuse me)

-- 
Billy D'Augustine azog@spatula.rent.com

Gentlemen, shall we manufacture salsa, or oven mitts?
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: The puppy is dead - alt.folklore.computers will not change
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:22:08 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

jdavis@bordeaux.kpno.noao.edu (Jim Davis) writes:
>
>I also heard an amazing amount of nasty nonsense.  I wonder what the more
>vitriolic debaters would do over an issue that REALLY MATTERED...

Nothing.  It wouldn't interest them.  Or else they'd be relaxed and
open-minded about it.

                    (Voted "NO" and darn proud of it!)
Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Apple ][e emulator (?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:05:57 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey


c3q@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> A couple of us CS types were discussing the old ][e, and concluded that it
> would be a SMOP to write a ][e emulator (sort of an interpreter that took ][e
> object code and ran it on a virtual 6502, virtual graphics chips, etc). 
> Although this would be a real cool hack, *I* don't have time for it.  Has
> anyone heard of anyone else talk about this project (either software or 
> vaporware)?  I'd like to meet the demented heroic fool!

Yes, such a thing does exist, although I think it emulates an Apple ][+.
It's for MSDOS and available by anonymous FTP from cco.caltech.edu
Look in /pub/nyet, the filename is ap2emu.zip
I think it requires VGA.

Enjoy!
Andy
-- 
 Andreas Meyer, N2FYE                          ahm@spatula.rent.com
 If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:42:04 GMT

In <1992Dec10.223135.8761@gallant.apple.com> cheryl@gallant.apple.com (Cheryl Lins) writes:
>In article <gFqkVB6w165w@bluemoon.use.com> cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew Curtin) writes:
>>While I think that technically the Macs are, for the most part, neat 
>>machines, I don't think I'd ever get one for several reasons. a) they're 
>>closed boxes. The Apple II was the original open system, and everything 
>>that I've used and liked has been an "open system." 

>Gee, Macs have had slots since, oh the Mac II in 1986. You can get a 'closed'
>Mac if you don't need expansion, but you have many other choices.

Gee, the Apple ][ had slots from day 1, the Mac got them *years* later.

You can open an Apple ][ with your bare hands.  To open an early Mac (any
model before the Mac SE), you need a special screwdriver that's hard to
obtain and the screws are carefully hidden.

With your Apple ][ you got the schematics, and a commented assembly
listing of the monitor.  When the Mac appeared, no documentation of MacOS
was available.  Initially, software development on a Mac was impossible, as
there were no tools.  No compilers, no assemblers, no debuggers, no nothing.
(Apple used a cross-development kit running on a Lisa).

Wonder why the Mac had such a hard time competing against the ][ ?

>Cheryl Lins  Oberon Paladin  lins@apple.com | Real miracles, reasonable prices.
                                   ^^^^^
Ah, that explains a lot.           ^^^^^

--
Hans Mulder				hansm@cs.kun.nl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Keywords: PDP 10, gods gift to hackers, TOPS, ITS
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:55:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.213840.26305@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:
>In article <1ga8q4INNftm@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, sarr@sinshan (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.041441.21535@u.washington.edu> fetrow@pike.u.washington.edu (David Fetrow) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec10.171417.18174@csrd.uiuc.edu> j-grout@uiuc.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>>What killed off the PDP-10 architecture?
>>>>
>>
>>Since nobody else has said this I will and will endure the flanes.  In
>>the early 80s DEC had 3 choices:
>>
>>1) kill the 10/20
>>
>>2) kill the VAX
>>
>>3) Continue to develop and market both, acknowledging that they were
>>competing for exactly the same customers; that every sale of one was a
>>lost sale for the other.
>
>>Which would you choose?
>
>2.
>
>>Which would you choose if you were a stockholder?
>
>2.
>
>No smileys.
>-- 
>Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
>                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
>                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
>alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_

Speaking as if I were a stock-holder, then apparently this is true, since
DEC did 1) instead, and look where they are now.  Clearly what they did was
1), and clearly it hasn't been good for the bottom line.  While it can't be
alternated, since in the Real World (tm) you only get one chance, it's
entirely possible that had they chosen 2) they would today be better off.

Perhaps we need opinions on where DEC would be today.  Imagine a DEC history
where the VAX was never a seriously pursued architecture (or at least wasn't
done so at the -10's expense) and thus now DEC would be at a new cross-roads
regarding what to do about the various product lines with the Alpha just
coming up to speed now, but without all the VAX activity, etc.

cjl
From: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Fools who don't log out  was: Re: PIRATE BBS?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:04:34 GMT
Reply-To: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Boston University

In article <Bz6qq8.Ixp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>In article <XeRmVB4w165w@bluemoon.use.com> cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew Curtin) writes:
>>Or a fool who left his workstation logged in and walked away?...
>
>Along the same lines:
>
>I'm a TA for a COBOL (NO ONE SAY ANYTHING! :) class that caters mostly
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


	BAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! Boy, did you post to the wrong group!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: The puppy is dead - alt.folklore.computers will not change
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:46:46 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec15.183238.15067@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.122951.6200@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
>>
>>
>>For details, watch for a posting with RESULT and comp.society.folklore
>>in the Subject line, coming soon to these newsgroups.
>>
>>-- 
>>Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com
>
>HOORAY!  WE DID IT!	


   Did ANYONE other than Dan Quayle and Zippy the Pinhead actually
   vote for this turkey?

   And if they did, would they admit it publicly?


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers