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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Bulls v. Knicks -- Who will win?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:27:20 GMT

In article <6761@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>
>	He isn't? I figure Blackmon (33)  to be the oldest starting guard in the
>league! Depending on who isn't coming back this year, he may be the oldest
>guard in the league.
>
>	Walter Davis & Brad Davis have both hung them up I beleive. Ricky
>Pierce & Danny Ainge are also 33 this year. What's Mo Cheeks status?
>Vinnie Johnson???
>
>	Blackmon's FG% dropped to .461 last year, the 1st time below .470 in
>his career. A bad year or the biginning of the end????
>
>	Dallas was pretty pitiful the year before, but Blackman managed a .482%
>then. Why did playing on a bad team only effect him last year???

You've got a point, but I've seen him play this year, and he didn't look that
old.  Age is relative, some of those guys you list look like they've already
had their funerals arranged.  Dallas was pitiful the year before...but this
year, they look like a first year expansion team!  Harper was injured for
half the year, Blackman himself was injured...at one point Blackman was the
only real NBA player on the floor.  The rest were guys who should have been
CBA players.  Donald Hodge?  Doug Smith's awful rookie year?  Randy White?
No Fat Lever again...Herb Williams being your best frontcourt player?
James Donaldson out to New York...we're talking about a team that has sunk
about as far as I've ever seen.  When you're starting those guys, Blackman
and Iuzzolino, I'd say Ro has a valid excuse.

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:38:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004731.19148@cs.ucla.edu>
lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
 
...
>And don't underestimate the impact of acquiring James Edwards.  Buddha
>can still play.
 
Buddah has one good move; the pivot and fade. When he gets the ball, the
opposite team puts a man behind him so he can't do either. The Bulls did it
to him in the playoffs 2 years ago and rendered him powerless.
...
 
--Eric
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: pervis ellison
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:13:54 GMT

In article <BvMKt4.MsC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Also, I forgot to add that it sure doesn't help playing in the
>	Cap Centre.  Whenever I watch Bullets or Georgetown games, I can't
>	help but notice how the rim makes grotesque noises whenever someone
>	misses.  Ever wonder why Georgetown shoots so bad?  It's the arena.
>	It's ugly!  I remember one year the ACC tournament was
>	played there, and one Wake Forest/Duke score was something like
>	46-43.  Talk about your brickfests...

Well, opposing teams like to blame it on the only thing that's unique about
the Cap Center (the Bullets suck, have the plainest arena and uniform), that
one heckler that has a seat behind the opposing team's bench.  A lot of
people think of him as a major part of the entertainment, especially when
the home team is getting blown out.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:15:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvI55p.MEE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER) writes:
>>
>If I'm not mistaken Divac was runner up to Robinson for Rookie Of the Year.

	I think Tim Hardaway finished 2nd to Robinson in that year's ROY
	voting...

	Jazzy J
>>
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: David Benoit's other skills
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:29:54 GMT


[tidbit copied from rec.music.info]

(upcoming album releases):

27 Oct *  David Benoit                    Letter To Evan


	Check it out.  The good 'ol Utah forward not only signed a new
	contract, he also released a new album.  I wonder who Evan is...
	:)

	Jazzy J

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:27:50 GMT

markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>
>>How?  We all know that Magic can shoot from anywhere, that he'll raise Byron
>>Scott's % drastically and add that Threatt can shoot pretty well...

>Magic can shoot from anywhere, I agree.
>Scott seems to be getting worse year by year, so I'd be surprised if he
>improved drastically.
>Threatt?  Can you say, streaky?

	I wouldn't call Threatt streaky at all.  In fact, he was the Lakers'
	most consistent performer last year.  He averaged 15 ppg and LED
	the Lakers in FG shooting -- at 49%.  Pretty solid to me...

	Jazzy J
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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 08:47:02 PST
From: Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hakeem Olajuwon trade rumors
 <1992Sep14.231644.26758@uvmark.uucp> <1992Sep15.232621.9146@u.washington.edu>
 <1992Sep17.010114.29783@newstand.syr.edu>

In article <1992Sep17.010114.29783@newstand.syr.edu>, bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU
(Maj. Devon McKnight) says:
>
>
>        Well, SportsCenter tonight reports that the rumored deal sends Benoit
>Benjamin, along with two of Rickey Pierce, Derrick McKey, and Nate McMillan.
>Basically, it's aimed at remedying the lack of a 'franchise' player on the
>club, trading three very good players for one impact player.

It seems that `very good' == `barely of NBA caliber', if Benjamin qualifies.
                          ^
                          |
                          \-- look!  a Lorism!

Not a Seattle fan, are we?

Tom Hyer
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazer Report
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:47:07 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (Jon Blixt)
Distribution: usa
Organization: People fed up with politicians, not politics

If anyone else has similar reporst, please post.  It were
was interesting if not a bit biased.8^)

####################################################
#                  #                               #
#  Jon Blixt       #  Sign Puckett!                #
#  Control Data    #  Sign Puckett!!               #
#                  #  Sign Smiley!                 #
#  jblixt@mips.COM #  Sign Puckett!!!              #
#                  #  Sign Puckett,NOW!!!!         #
#  or              #  Sign Gagne,Larkin,Bush,Davis?#
#  jblixt@neon.aqeng.cdc.com                       # 
####################################################
From: kin@athena.mit.edu (Kin Lam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Holy---!  What salaries!
Keywords: Yikes!
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:32:50 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <38912@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
|> 
|> $14.6 million for *one year*?!  Wow!!!
|> 
|> Forget "Be Like Mike"...  I wanna be like Magic!
|>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Are other superstars going to use this to whine about their
|> salaries?  ("Hey, Magic's making $14.6M this year!  I ought to be
|> good for at least half that, right? I want my $7.3M!")
|>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From the team manager:

"Alright, you want to be like Magic? You want to have $7.3M a year?
 Then show me your HIV+! I will give some serious thoughts to it!"
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Roumor
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.195545.26931@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
 
>In article <1992Sep28.184235.1767@intelhf.hf.intel.com> gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:
>>Sacramento sports radio was carrying the story that the
>>Kings are working on a deal to send Wayman Tisdale and
>>next year's first round pick to Detroit for Dennis
>>Rodman. Detriot would probably get a lottery pick in
>>next year's "weak" draft.  They would also get the
 
A '93 pick means a chance at Webber! Yes! :)
 
>>Kings only low post scoring capability.  The Kings would
>>an extra 20 boards a game.  Overall I have to think
>>this story is bogus.  How can you give up Rodman?
 
That's been circulating in Detroit's media for about a week.
I guess it's a good sign that the story has made it's way to Sac.
I don't want to see Rodman leave, but at least I can say "see, he didn't
retire" one more time. :)
 
>No, it's how can you possibly give up a lottery pick for Rodman (and
>even throw in a rather good player).  What does Detroit care?  They've
>pretty much evolved into a rebuilding type organization and what better
>way to start that process than a lottery pick.  And, just because
>Rodman picks up 20 rbs/game with the Pistons does not mean he gets
>that many with another team.  Detriot would junmp all over this.
 
Tough D! Don't forget the Tough D!
 
>(I know, I mentioned that P word again.  I'm just hoping Ed Lor's on
> vacation or his Internet feed is down or something)
 
I think Ed is really a Laker's fan who doesn't like fans who lie or boast
without facts to back them up. But I could be wrong. :)
 
--Eric
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: pervis ellison
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:58:20 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>Well, opposing teams like to blame it on the only thing that's unique about
>the Cap Center (the Bullets suck, have the plainest arena and uniform), that
>one heckler that has a seat behind the opposing team's bench.  A lot of
>people think of him as a major part of the entertainment, especially when
>the home team is getting blown out.

	The heckler's name is Robin Ficker -- there's a great article on
	him in The Sporting News' Pro Basketball preview -- check it out.
	He's been known to do stuff like read Jordan the "Jordan rules"
	and stuff like that.  Pretty funny article.

	Jazzy J
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From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic signs $14.6M 1-year contract for 1994-1995
Date: 2 Oct 1992 09:01:50 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Oct02.123623.26492@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>On the radio this morning, I heard that Magic Johnson has signed a 1-year
>extension to his contract worth $14.6 MILLION.  This would be the largest
>contract ever awarded in team sports (obviously).
>
>He is under his current contract for the next two seasons (92-93, 93-94).

>Is he guaranteed it, even if he doesn't play? 

Yes.

>Is it really a 'retirement fund'?

Seems to be.  The report I read said that they would have done this
even if he hadn't come back.

>How much is he getting this year and next year?

2.5 and 2.5  (The last 2 years of his 25M/10yr deal.)

chris
goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu
From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 4 Oct 1992 17:36:14 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <38989@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:

>I had written:
>>What the cap has done is make trading very hard, which makes it
>>difficult for the smart gm's to take advantage of the stupid ones.
>>Also, even the most stupid now realize the value of very high draft
>>picks.  Protect the stupid from themselves, and you have parity.

>I believe there's more to it than this.  If I'm not mistaken
>(somebody please confirm my facts), Bill Russell was drafted
>something like 6th overall, because five teams didn't feel they
>could afford his salary.  This led to the greatest dynasty in modern
>professional sports.

Ancient history! (If true, I'm not aware of this, and would be
interested in hearing more.)  The NBA and its financing are vastly
different today than they were then.

>Similarly, Houston let Philadelphia get Moses
>Malone, because they couldn't afford his salary; this led to a
>championship for Philly.  And if an historical ignoramus like myself
>can come up with these two examples, there must be dozens more.

Well, I'll let you speak for yourself on that one.  Actually, I'd
forgotten about Malone.  First, I don't necessarily believe that
Houston couldn't afford Malone---didn't want to pay him, I will
believe.  After all, in a couple years they were able to afford
Hakeem+Ralph.

Second, think of all the champs since 1980: LA, Boston, Philly,
Detroit and Chicago.  Philly is the only one to aquire a significant
player through free agency.  Moreover, this led to _more_ parity than
there otherwise would have been---surely LA or Boston would have been
the '83 champs if Philly hadn't signed Moses.  So, I still don't
believe that the cap leads to parity by limiting free agency.  It does
it by restricting trades, and thereby protecting the stupid.

That is what we're talking about, isn't it? :-)

chris
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From: razor@ferris.cray.com (Ray Martin)
Subject: Re: Ignorant (was Re: Selfish)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:37:55 CDT

In article <1992Oct06.175815.6496@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>Sorry for the babbling folks, but this has been really bothering me.
>
Obviously.
>
>-- 
>Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
>Bell Northern Research, Inc.


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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
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Subject: Boston Celtics Mailing List
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:06:35 GMT
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	A Boston Celtics mailing list has been created by me.  Following
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: Anderson 
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:43:35 GMT

In article <BvArw0.Is6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
> 
> >    Anthony makes the Knicks feel pretty damn good when you think of
> >    the diaster Kenny Anderson and Gary Payton have been.
> >    Anthony will settle down, and under Doc's tutelage that should happen
> >    sooner than some expect
> 
> 	U can compare Anthony to Anderson -- but not to Payton -- not in
> 	the same draft class.  Interesting enough, however.. Anderson and
> 	Payton are both #2 picks overall.  But watch out for Anderson this
> 	season.  Fitch is gone, and with Chuck Daly, Anderson should start
> 	showing some of the skills he's had for a long time...
> 
> 	Jazzy J

    There are some early NBA preview magazines out that agree with you
    but I don't know Jazzy

    J do we, in all fairness to Anderson say he was surrounded by a
    cast of underachievers in New Jersey which impacted his play ??
    Can this be attributed entirely to Bill Fitch ??
    what about Blaylocks play, maybe this is what put Kenny on the pine ?

    Daly brings instant credibility, so the possibility of him
    tapping all this unseen potential may seem pretty logical,
    BUT ... is Daly going to implement his famed 3-guard offense here ?
    Will that just open the door for more potential problems
    ie, how will Mookie/Tate/Drazen react ?

    The questions are many and Daly is really not is such an enviable
    position, but many think his credibility should have an impact, 
    that remains to be seen

    I will go out on that proverbial limb and wager that (very big) IF
    Daly can get through to these troops, he should be the CoY (-:

chris
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: British odds on the championship...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:32:22 GMT

dla@westford.ccur.com (Dave Anderson) writes:


>  Partial listing of Britain's legal bookmakers' odds 
>  on capturing the 1993 NBA Championship:

>          Chicago       3-2
>          Portland      7-2
>          San Antonio   6-1
>          Cleveland     6-1 
>          Golden State 10-1
>          Utah         10-1
>          Boston       14-1
>          New York     14-1
>             ...
>          LA Lakers    33-1  (up from 50-1 after Magic's announcement).

	Interesting... no Phoenix?  I'd surely put them ahead of San
	Antonio and Golden State.  Perhaps the British know something we
	don't know?

	Jazzy J
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Roumor
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.184235.1767@intelhf.hf.intel.com> gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Sacramento sports radio was carrying the story that the
> Kings are working on a deal to send Wayman Tisdale and 
> next year's first round pick to Detroit for Dennis
> Rodman. Detriot would probably get a lottery pick in
> next year's "weak" draft.  They would also get the
> Kings only low post scoring capability.  The Kings would
> an extra 20 boards a game.  Overall I have to think
> this story is bogus.  How can you give up Rodman?
> 
> Greg T.
> 

    I think this would be good for the Pistons
    will the Kings take Aguirre also ?

chris
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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOSTON COLLEGE: ANYBODY HEARD OF DAVID STIFF?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 11:16:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

has anybody heard of david stiff. i understand he is a rookie to the
boston college basketball programme for 1993. is this correct?

help would be appreciated

bryan
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From: schaefer@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew James Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Bulls v. Knicks -- Who will win?
Keywords: n
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:14:02 GMT

In article <96851@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor) writes:
>
>People here keep talking about Bulls-Knicks match-up. First of all,
>NY will need time to put their bunch of individuals together as a team.
>My beloved Celts will sure contend for division title with Knicks. Even
>if Knicks will get to be 2-seed in play-off ( which i really hope doesn't
>happen) they will have to play Cleveland in quaterfinals. I like Cleveland's
>chances much better. Chicago is still one dimension higher than other teams
>in the East, last year in Chicago-NY series Knicks were a distant underdog,
>fighting for life, while Chicago had to stimulate themselves for competing
>against a much weaker team. Speaking about Cleveland, even though they
>haven't made any off-season moves, they are still a great talented young
>team ( Nance is the only elderly player ). They played real good against
>Celtics last year. What people here think about where Cavs belong this year?
>Igor

Yeah, I am a little curious about how the Knicks' fans assume they will meet
the Bulls in the playoffs this year.   Assuming the Bulls and Cavs have the
first and second best records (or first and third, for that matter) then
if the Knicks do win their division, they will have to beat the Cavaliers
before they can play the Bulls.   Unless Cleveland has another injury-plagued
season, I don't think it's a given that the Knicks will make it to the Bulls
again this year.   If the Knicks have in fact improved their team, they may
have only changed the superior team that eliminates them.   It seems to
me that the only team with a serious chance at beating the Bulls in the
Eastern Conference is Cleveland.   

Andrew
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Person
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:01:35 GMT

In article <1astrmINNs69@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Michael Lerner writes:

>Did Chuck Person get traded?  Where is he now, and who got what in the
>deal?

Chuck Person and Michael Williams were traded to Minnesota for Pooh
Richardson and Sam Mitchell.  Anyone who knows about draft picks included
here can fill them in.  It's a pretty good deal for the Pacers, since they
already had about four small forward types beside Person, and Pooh should
be even better with his old teammate Reggie Miller in the backcourt.

As I said before, I should have the whole 411 on the Pacers this weekend
after a trip to media day Thursday.



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