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From: mcohen@brtph127.BNR.CA (Matt Cohen P785)
Subject: Rain skating, 5 wheel Switchit
Reply-To: mcohen@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 18:26:23 GMT

 
Hello All,

	The Athens to Atlanta race went on for the 11th year. 
It POURED rain for the first 4 hours of the race. An interesting thing
happened, though; the oil apparently washes out of your wheels after 
a couple miles, and your skates get traction almost as good as if it 
was dry!    
	The friday night skate tour of Atlanta was one of the most
fun skates I've ever been on - there must have been over 120 skaters.
The race went fine, other than water squishing out of my Switchits and
the occasional dogs chasing us, no problems. The race was extremely well
run and was a pleasure to skate. The people were the best part, everyone
was really friendly, it was a fun event. I met two others who skated
at exactly my pace and we did the second 20 miles together - it made a
big difference. We finished the half distance in 3:27, which is not
great but we weren't last by a long shot. Good showing from the Triangle
Skating club, we had 6 who went, four skated. Many folks dropped out
because of the rain. Eddy Matzger won in 5:03.. Local skaters Eric Towne
did the half in 2:50, "Racer" Dave Kaplan in 3:07, Lee "Rocks" Cox did full
distance in 6:57. Thanks for the great race, Henry, Janice, Alan, and all
the other folks who helped out. See ya' next year.

	Watch for an upcoming skating event in Raleigh.    

The Triangle Road Skating Club is a new club with 100 skaters on the mailing
list... PO BOX 13802, RTP, NC 27709  

Has ANYONE seen the new FIVE WHEEL SWITCHIT Frame? Lets hear about 'em
good or bad

Matt
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Hazzard of skating
Keywords: calcium injury heel boot
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:44:09 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct8.213017.7006@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> Help! I need some advice for a problem, and I'm sure that
> many of the readers of this news group have had the same
> problem before.
> 
> I'm in the process of breaking in a new pair of ice skating
> boots and I have developed a calcium buildup on my left heel
> which is about the diameter of a quarter and about 1/16 to 1/8
> of an inch high.  I am assuming that it is a result of my new
> boots since it started at about the same time I got them (2 to 
> 3 weeks ago).  The "lump" on my heel is hard and painful.  I have
> never had anything like this before so I'm not sure what to do
> about it.  One source told me that something like this doesn't
> go away and that you have to have it ground off by a doctor (I
> would rather quit skating than do that).  Another source (another
> ice skater) told me he experienced the same problem a few times
> and that it went away on its own after a few weeks.  What's the
> poop?  I would be very interested in knowing how other people in
> this newsgroup have dealt with the same problem.  I really love
> skating and I would hate to have to quit because of something 
> like this.

This is confusing.  Are you really talking about a buildup of "calcium"
(a metaillic element or by extension bone material) or a buildup of
callus (hardened skin which forms the working surfaces of feet/hands)?

Assuming the second, it it's just a "buildup" you can take care of it
yourself with an abrasive stick, nippers of (carefully) with a very
sharp knife.  Some techniques work best with very dry feet, others if
you've soaked them until all the "dead" skin is white and can be easily
abraded away.   Obviously you can also go to a specialist.

The other possibility is that you have a deep "blister" or seperation
between the superficial callus layers and the underlying "live" skin,
which may be inflamed or fluid filled causing the pain you describe.
In this case, avoiding irritation for a while may cause the fluid to be
resorbed and the blister to close up, or you may have to puncture and
drain it.  If it doesn't close up, then you may have to get the
superficial callus layers cut/abraded off so that new callus can form
that is anchored to the underlying skin.  Depending on how deep the
blister is, a specialist might also reduce the thickness of the callus
in the whole area to minimize the depth of the "hole".

If it is a blister, then you might want to check the fit of the heel
area of the skate, since either your heel is sliding around or getting
pinched to cause the blister.  You're really having a lot of fun with
breaking in those new skates, eh? 

There is also the possibility that planter warts, corns or other foot
ailments are involved, you'd need to see a doctor, podiatrist or other
foot specialist for an accurate diagnosis.
From: cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Ice Skates...
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:39:22 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA


So, now that I've been in-line skating all summer, and really enjoying
it, I'm thinking ice skating might not be so bad after all...

Can someone make some recommendations on what brand and styles of ice
skates I should look at? I plan on general skating, probably
on frozen lakes most often.  (no racing, figures, or hockey yet). Since
I won't outgrow them, I'd like a reasonably good pair that will last. 

My 4 kids will probably want to join in the fun.  Are hockey skates good
for kids to learn on? Costco has hockey skates for $32.  Are these any
good at all? (CCM junior pro or something like that).  I'll have to buy
four sets of whatever I get... 

Thanks!


Cecil Williams
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:15:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: kariba.ABOULANG.92Oct15111551
	<1992Oct14.163910.15573@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com>
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: harbour@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com's message of Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:39:10 GMT



In article <1992Oct14.163910.15573@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com>
harbour@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Susan Harbour) writes:

      My coach said there used to be a lot
      of figures using two foot turns, but I don't see any in my handy dandy
      figure book. However there are all the one foot turns you want to
      name (three's, rockers, counters and brackets) in various combinations.

These may be the "grape vines" that I saw in a turn-of-the-century ice
skating book.  (I found it in the sports library at UIUC) I like
skating history -- its amazing how things cycle through. There are
"funky dance" versions of the grape vine now for instance.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
(Just back from a trip to NYC to skate at the Roxy)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Hazzard of skating
Keywords: calcium injury heel boot
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:30:17 GMT

Help! I need some advice for a problem, and I'm sure that
many of the readers of this news group have had the same
problem before.

I'm in the process of breaking in a new pair of ice skating
boots and I have developed a calcium buildup on my left heel
which is about the diameter of a quarter and about 1/16 to 1/8
of an inch high.  I am assuming that it is a result of my new
boots since it started at about the same time I got them (2 to 
3 weeks ago).  The "lump" on my heel is hard and painful.  I have
never had anything like this before so I'm not sure what to do
about it.  One source told me that something like this doesn't
go away and that you have to have it ground off by a doctor (I
would rather quit skating than do that).  Another source (another
ice skater) told me he experienced the same problem a few times
and that it went away on its own after a few weeks.  What's the
poop?  I would be very interested in knowing how other people in
this newsgroup have dealt with the same problem.  I really love
skating and I would hate to have to quit because of something 
like this.

Kevin Anderson
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Who's Doing What
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:41:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscnvx.1992Oct9.204133.16383
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes:

>Recently, someone posted a letter asking for interesting news about amateur
>and professional figure skaters.  I got my issue of _Skating_ yesterday,
>so here's a synopsis:

What were the names of those fantastic Russian ice dancers (oops, make that
Unified Team) and what happened to them?  They finished 1-2-3 at the last
olympics as I recall.



+----------------------------------------------------------------------	+
|    __n__                               				| 
|     `O'      Draw, ya' mangie dog  					| 
|     /|\                                				| 
|    | | |                               				| 
|    $/-\$                           Kevin Anderson			| 
|    /   \								|
|   _|   |_                          "Landing jumps is like landing an  |   
|                                     airplane, any one that you can 	|
|		                      walk away from is a good one"	| 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Subject: Re: Who's Doing What
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:23:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.154153.22376@wdl.loral.com> zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes:
>
>  8. Urbanski and Marval are back together.  During their split, Urbanski
>     was skating with Scott Kurttila and Marval with Natasha Kuchiki (who
>     was herself pairless since Todd Sand paired up with Jenni Meno).

      What happened to Jenni's partner?  (name escapes me at the moment)
      What's Natasha going to do for a partner now?
      Any knews on the other men - Chris Bowman, Mark Mitchell?
      Is Tonya Harding going to stay in?
      Are Bressuer (sp?) & Iessler (sp?) still in it?
      I heard something (maybe I read it here) about Paul Wylie training
         for '94.  I thought he was retiring.  Anything there?

Pardon all the questions.  I've been a little out-of-touch during the summer.

Barbara Kane                                             Unify Corporation
* He befriended a lump of wood and took it everywhere with him.  He used *
* to throw dogs for it to fetch and could never understand why it didn't *
* retreive them.      - Jeremy Pascall                                   *
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (KAREN EILEEN WASIELEWSKI)
Subject: Re: Stretching
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:35:08 GMT

Kevin Anderson (kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:
: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes:
: 
: >I recently had the pleasure of watching a well-known skater zoom around our
: >local rink.  What amazed me (aside from the triple axels and heart-stopping
: >death drops, of course :-) was the fact that he spent a good 25 minutes
: >stretching before getting onto the ice.  Never having spent more than 5
: >minutes stretching myself, I tried stretching for 25 minutes the next time
: >I skated.  It made such a difference that I've decided to do it every
: >time I skate.  My muscles were warmed up, I didn't have to take my usual
: >10 to 15 "practice laps", and I just generally felt much more in control
: >of my skating.
: 
: It usually takes me about 25 minutes or so of just stroking around the 
: ice before I've loosened up.  Warming up off ice is definetly a better way
: to go, but unfortunatley the rink I skate at doesn't have much room for 
: that kind of thing.  

stretching is definitely far more helpful after you've already "warmed up," 
i.e., after you started moving around enough to really get your blood flowing
through your body.  it helps your muscles to wake up, so to speak, and causes
the subsequent stretching to be more benificial.

i know lots of neat stretches, but most of them are far easier to demonstrate
than explain electronically.  (:  try asking some of the pros at your local
arena.
 
: BTW, what is a "death drop"?

the easiest way to describe it is as a butterfly/flying camel into a back sit
spin.  imagine doing a really big flying camel, then the instant you land
twist down into a back sit spin.  does that help at all?

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From: kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: NY Skating?
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:02:07 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Oct9.061837.405@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:
>In article <13703@pogo.wv.tek.com> lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd Wieman) writes:
>>I just bought the Oct-Nov issue of Inline magazine and it has an article
>
>>By the way, the magazine includes a subscription offer for $17 something
>>for a years subscription and includes 8 wheels.  This sounds like a pretty
   
Cool,
It's a bargain!!! I need another set of wheels soon.  Can some one one please	post Inline Magazine subscription phone number please!!! 
-- 
Internet:  kiwong@iris.calpoly.edu               Voice Mail:  (805) 756-5603
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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: cxd4303@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C. DeTerra)
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Summary: there are more rollerskaters than you know!!!
Originator: cxd4303@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:59:43 GMT

In article <jkaplenk.718304553@lucpul.it.luc.edu>, jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:
> In <36020001@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett) writes:
> 
> I think there is also a  smaller number  of quad artistic skaters.
> USFSA has almost 100,000 members. I'm not sure the numbers of artistic
> quad skaters, but they seem to be less. With a larger base you can
> attract a higher quality at the top because the competition is more
> intense. In the Chicago area there are not many artistic quad skaters.
> I can do a toe loop (mape) on quads and this makes me the best artistic
> quad skater at the two clubs I belong to, but on ice my toe loop places
> me close to the bottom in the two ice rinks I skate at and definitely
> at the bottom of my club in artistic skill level.
> 
  just my two cents worth...i have been reading this group for some time,
  and have noticed that most people are unaware of what you folks call
  'quad' skating.  

  a little background first, to lend credibility to what i say.  =)
  i skated competitively for nine years, and i did dance, freestyle,
  and figures, although i was strongest by far in dance and figures.
  freestyle was just sort of to blow off steam.  i was fifth at
  Nationals in sophomore dance in 1989.  i had also skated Nationals
  previously in senior free dance, and many years ago in juvenile dance.

  now, for my real point (whew!).  last time i heard statistics, there
  were close to twice the number of artistic rollerskaters than there
  were ice skaters.  but, since rollerskating didn't have enough
  countries competing to get into the Olympics (it now does), no one
  really knew much about it unless they were into it.
 
  it does show up on TV from time to time, but not often enough.  i
  skated out of the northeast region (MA), which has always been by
  far the strongest in the dance events.  it is quite popular there.
  i don't see as much popularity here in upstate NY.

  well, instead of babbling here, if anyone has any questions, please
  feel free to mail me.  i quit skating 4 years ago to come to college,
  and i really miss it.  i love to talk about it to anyone who'll
  listen!  =)

    --chrissy

	    cxd4303@ultb.isc.rit.edu   OR   chrissy@nick.csh.rit.edu

	
> -- 
> Joe Kaplenk,
> jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
> 312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: betsy@sybase.com (Betsy Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Athens to Atlanta Results??
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:54:29 GMT
Distribution: rec.skate
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


Anyone out there in skate-land know the results of the Athens to Atlanta
race. I would be interested to find out how the women and men did.

If you know details...I would like to know about some local Bay Area
skaters.

Eddie Matzker
Sandy Snakenberg
Anna Stubbs
Mike Riddle 
Heather Lacayo
Steve Carr

Thanks!

betsy
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Stretching
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:01:41 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

Actually, one should do a light workout such as stationary bike, easy
skate or whatever to loosen up the muscles and get the blood flowing.
Then do some stretching, then windsurf, lift weights or race on inlines
followed by another stretching session after cool down (but not too far
after).

Of course, who has the time?  I've used the inlines as a nice warm-up for wind-
surfing and felt great the next day.

Kirk out
From: ctl3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES THOMAS LAINHART)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: abrupt stopping of inlines
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:29:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BvMBGr.L9y@csn.org>, pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <42090038@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) w
rites:
>>Staying in the realm of practical (as opposed to stylish or fancy), a well
>>practiced 'spin stop' is proably the quickest stop for slow to moderate
>>speeds.
>
>Translating your linear velocity to angular velocity is a neat trick to learn.
>Unfortunately, the place where you need to be able to stop the most -- steep
>narrow terrain -- is where a spin stop will be lest practical. Often, being
>able to maintain a linear vector -- being predictable -- is the most important
>thing in a stop. When you do a spin stop, your direction is typically
>unpredictable to people around you.
>
>>Er...by 'fall down' I mean use your knees, elbows, and wrist guards when you
>>reach the ground.
>
>Actually, I prefer a controlled collapse onto my rear end and then sliding.
>Protection is for uncontrolled falls...
>
>--phil
>
Are you crazy?  You'd rather peel skin of your a__ then fall on your knee pads?
No thanks.  As for the person that asked how to use the brake, no one told you.
Say the brake is on your left skate, bend your right leg and slide your left
out in front of you. The farther out your left leg gets and the more your
right bends, the faster you will stop.  The first few times exaggerate the leg
bend and bend forward at the waist.  Always bend the non braking leg, make a
point of it, otherwise you will be practicing stops with your behind.
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (KAREN EILEEN WASIELEWSKI)
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:37:51 GMT

: 	I heard a judge (who does both roller and ice judging) say that
: 	it's easier to judge figures on ice because the tracing is right
: 	there when the skater is done. On rollers the judges have to
: 	watch everything as it happens...(although I know about one
: 	little girl who had to go to the bathroom during her event and.....
: 	well...shall we say, she left a trace?)
: 
: 	Susan

i'm sure it must be harder to judge the roller figures, because you only get
to see it that one time, and you have to judge tracing, edges, turns, poise,
and everything in those same instants.  i know that for the higher level ice 
figure tests, the judges spend several minutes on their hands and knees after
the skater has completed his/her test, carefully inspecting the key parts of 
the tracings left...!

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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Good in-line skating slogans
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:10:09 GMT

Ricardo Pincheira (pinch@cs.washington.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct14.231832.1@wharton.upenn.edu> baran04@wharton.upenn.edu (Dave Baran) writes:
:    [much stuff]
: >From:  Thomas A. Darling (darling@cellar.org)
: >	When inlines are outlawed, only outlaws will inline.
: >	They'll take my inlines when they pry them off my cold, dead feet.
:                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: which reminds me of my thoughts on future skate technology, namely, that
: soon olympic skaters will have titanium studs implanted on their feet,
: much as is done today for artificial teeth in the jaw.  

now at first this sounds like a wonderful idea, i'll admit, better than 
horizontally sliced bread, but we must consider some practical aspects of
this concept.  what about ankle support?  what about boot covers?  what
about those big pom-poms or bells that everybody knows should be worn on
a skate...?  all of these important fringe benifits of skating would be lost
without an actual boot attached to the blade/wheels.

: Interestingly, note also that with some standardization of the mounting
: system, you should be able to wear your teeth on your feet and your skates
: in your mouth.

this, however, is such an exciting breakthrough that it deserves some looking
into.  (:

: Ricardo

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  kewasiel@cs.amherst.edu	_|_	"the philosophers have only interpreted
 kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu	 |	 the world, in various ways; the point,
kewasielewsk@amh.amherst.edu	 |	 however, is to change it."    -k. marx