From: misra@sam.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: III: Conflict: Causes: Police Brutality
Date: 15 Apr 1992 18:37:04 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <92106.141720DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
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>It looks like that you are treating Hindu, Muslims and others to be
>same in every regard. Well OK. But where the hell Ram Temple came from?
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	If you want to say something, do it say but dont get carried away
with it. Where is came from is where it was built. That is all.

>Indian muslims may feel traped or may have the so called ghetto mentality
>because such questions and such standard tests are sought be raised in the
>first place. In some postings, people are even defending police brutality
>on muslims by the biggest excuse that police is brutal on every one. Police
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	This is a fact you cannot deny that. Have you ever been in a riot?
If you havent you have no idea what goes on. So dont go ranting about it.  

> (PAC, CRPF etc) respond to muslims in much brutal way because they dare to
>chalange the police force by resorting to stone throwing. Why can not muslims
>role over and play dead ? Is this joke or what ?

	Yes what you are saying is a joke. You dont even know how rash the PAC
is on everyone. And the PAC has a reputation because of its actions. Regardless
if it is a riot or a strike turing violent or anything else the PAC is usally 
the last resort. I can see by what you are saying that you have no idea of what the PAC is for.

>
>If you want to compare police brutality why compare ten different cases
>in ten different situations. Compare specifically, in how many reported
>instances of hindu-muslim riots police went into muslim localities and
>indulged in beating, killing, raping, looting activities. In majority of
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	Are you mad? Just becuase you read of some cases in a weekly you go 
and accuse the entire police force of such things. Have you lost it?

>reported cases the muslims have to take the brunt of police brutality.
>In the article posted by Dinesh: the main reason for this is because muslims
>are two emotional and dare to chalange the might of the police, whereas
>hindus, perhaps, are two smart. Hindus go in their houses and let the police
>come in and do whatever they like. Does it make sense ?

	Oh..my.. the more i read this posting the more i see that you have 
no idea. Let me tell you something.. during a riot the police is not there 
to reason, they dont pick out the muslims and charge on them. There is a 
charge and that is it.. if you come in the way you are hit regardless of 
if you are a hindu,muslim, christian or a jew. Even bystanders are hit..
so dont go on with this great theory you have come up with. 

>
>The biggest flaw in this logic or reasoning is for two reasons. The police
>is more brutal on muslims because i) they have less representation in police,
>the PAC in UP is specially notorious for taking side of hindus in each and

	Oh..my.. goodness, the PAC is UP was charged with such actions but 
then and Independent council was set up to look into the matter and found
that there was no such basis for such accusations.

>are we asking for ? That the police is right to be brutal in the first place
>or the police is right to be brutal on muslims for some inherent reasons which
>can be blamed on the muslims only .

	Police does not have the right to be brutal, but there are times
when it has to. There is nothing you can do about it. And dont give me 
this about brutal on a specific group, I have seen enough of such things 
and been through enough. 

>
>in the context of police brutality, did say that one day the police will
>come for you also and there will be no one to speak for you.

	Well the police can always come for you anywhere. I dont see what you 
are trying to say. The police can come to you here also, but what does that 
prove? 

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>regards..             Deepak