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From: Dave Snyder <davesnyder@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:41 PDT
Subject: workplace bike facilities survey
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1702500011:000:2074
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!davesnyder    Sep 30 02:41:00 1992


Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:26:28 PST
From: John Ciccarelli <jciccare@signum.mv.us.adobe.com>
Message-Id: <9209111026.A02554@signum.mv.us.adobe.com>
To: bikecommute@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM
Subject: Workplace bike facilities survey
Status: RO

The Cascade Bicycle Club (Seattle area) has asked me about
pro-bike 
employers in the Bay Area.  If your company (or one you know of)
has a 
bicycle program, I'd like to hear about it.  Specifically:

* Company city and mailing address
* Name, phone, and email address of the commute coordinator
* Current estimated number of commuters, and number of total
employees
* Outside bike lockers or racks? (how many, what locations, fee?,
...)
* Inside bike parking allowed?  If so, where (hardwall offices,
  cubicles, stairwells, closet/storage room, ...)
* Showers?  Each building, or in a fitness center, or ???
Policy?
* Clothes lockers?  Permanent use, or day use only?
  How many in each building?
* Incentives?  (Free meals?  "Maintenance allowance"?  Other?)
* Bike access to company transportation system (bike carriers on
  vanpool or shuttle vans?  Free bike carriers for carpools?)
* Free hot towels? :-)
* Prizes offered at commute fairs
* Any other relevant information

In addition to the survey answers, I'd like a set of any
materials 
(*two* sets of originals if possible) they use to promote bicycle
commuting and transportation.  (Consider the postage as your
company's 
donation to the cause of bike transportation :-).  Examples
include:

* A site map showing bike parking locations
* A route map specially prepared for commuting to this site
* A poster or notice listing the inside-parking policy (like
Adobe's)
* "Bike to work" or traffic cycling skills brochures
* Any other posters, literature, memos, buttons, you name it...

Cascade has assembled a notebook of employer summaries and sample
materials, which they show to management and transportation 
coordinators, to show what others are doing.  Your responses will
help 
expand this great promotional vehicle.

/John

P.S. I'll do Adobe and Silicon Graphics...
From: burch@rhps.UUCP (Lee Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 11:27:14 PDT
Organization: CrissySoft Incorporated

  just my 2 cents worth:  here in southern Illinois where I am a
student, no.  I am lucky that the atmospher of colledge des not
exclude people being sweaty going to class, any way I am
fortunate to not sweat a lot no matter what I do.

  concerning the route:  to me this is the most importaint thing,
I used to live 1.5 miles from campus but I had to ride right
throught the middle of town to get to school, it was not overly
pleasant.  now i loive 7 miles from campus and I still ride
everyday but it is so much more enjoyable, not that I can stay on
rural roads (30% of which are well maintaned!) and I find the
ride much more pleasing.  also the addition of several large hills
has made the ride a lot more interesting.  if given a choice
between riding 1.5 of my old route or the 7 of my new route I
would take my new route every time.

-- LTB
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From: p00004@psilink.com (Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1: 30p)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:28:32 GMT
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   6 Oct 92 11:58:23 GMT
>FROM:   Datasbuild <datasbld@bnr.ca>
>
>William D. Bushnell (bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:
[material deleted]
>Over here, in my home town of Swindon (England) two young male car drivers
>decided to have a race.  This is not unusual as you may know but unfortunately
>one of the drivers swerved to avoid another car and ploughed into a group of
>children who had been sitting on a bench on some grass, off the road.  Five
>children were killed.
[material deleted]
>Nick    DoD 1069   MAG 73516

As a matter of curiosity -- do you happen to know what the courts did 
with the driver of the death car? And/or the other driver? 

--Michael Smith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: SAILER@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DONALD R SAILER)
Subject: Re: Buses and Bikes - Summary (Long)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:43:10 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1702500008@igc.apc.org> Dave writes:

> 
> From: hooning@cirrus.com (Mike Hooning) Subject: Metro Transit to
> allow bikes on buses in Seattle area To: davesnyder@igc.org (David
> Snyder) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 92 12:35:23 PDT
> >
> >       (SEATTLE)- Metro is considering a pilot project that would
> let
> > bicyclists put their bikes on the bus. The service, already
> offered in
> > Tacoma and Everett, would encourage people to leave their cars
> at home
> > by making it easier to travel by bus and bike. While Metro
> staffers
> > generally like the idea, they have alot of questions that must
> be
> > answered before recommending a trial program. The agency doesn't
> want
> > more hassles for bus drivers and passengers, who at times would
> have to
> > share their ride with wet and greasy bicycles. According to a
> Metro
> > report, the Puget Sound region has more bikes than cars. In
> Seattle,
> > about 11 percent of people either walk or bike to work. By
> making its
> > buses available to cyclists, Metro could greatly expand its
> ridership.
> 
> message forwarded from :
> 
> > From oliveb!cs.washington.edu!drk Tue Sep 15 10:01:27 1992
> > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:56:32 -0700
> > From: drk@cs.washington.edu
> > Message-Id: <9209151656.AA26399@sculpin.cs.washington.edu>
> > To: cyclists@sculpin.cs.washington.edu
> > Subject: Bikes on the Bus...
> 
> 
The Roaring Fork Transit Authority in the Aspen/Snowmass CO area has bike
racks on the fronts of their buses. If it rains, or the rider can't make
it up a hill, s/he can wait at a bus stop, pop their bike on the front
of the bus and go.

That is an easy and relatively cheap integration of two forms of fairly
efficient transportation.



Randy Sailer
University of Massachusetts
Randy.Sailer@OCIS.UMass.edu
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: clipless pedal options
Keywords: clipless SPD pedals
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvG7tF.8DE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:
>In <1992Sep30.173852.10289@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
>  paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
>> This may sound stupid but can you clarify "lateral movement"
>> for me.  There is movement in my SPDs (DXs).  I may be confusing
>> this with twisting (which would be very bad for buggered up knees).
>SPD cleats rotate against a spring until they release.  Your foot can
>twist right and left about the ball of your foot (or where you have
>the cleat positioned) about 10 degrees.
>Time, and I think some other pedals, have rotation AND lateral
>movement.  You can slide the cleat on the pedal towards or away from
>the crank arm (I think the track is 7mm.)  Time calls this system
>Bioperformance and claims it is beneficial for people who are prone to
>tendon-related injuries.  Most riders probably don't care about this
I disagree Alex.  The fact that Time pedals are so popular despite
their high price shows that many people do care about lateral movement.
I've lost track of the number of people I've know (including myself
and comments on the net) who had knee problems disappear after switching to
Time pedals.  In my view Shimano really missed the boat by not at least
having lateral movement as an option on their clipless pedals.  The ARC
cleats don't cut it btw.  I only wish Time would make a mountain bike pedal.
In short I stronlgy reccomend Time or any other pedal that has lateral
movement, if you have knee problems I would say lateral movement is a 
necessity.  Note that this is not based on any special knowledge of
physiology, just my own observation.
-Terry
BTW if in doubt ride with a pedal that allows lateral movement for a few
weeks and then go to a fixed system.  You'll see what I mean.
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart T Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RESULTS : Paris-Brussels (Ancient History)
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:08:15 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


Results of the Paris-Brussels Classic (17th September 1992)

Paris-Brussels (258.5km)

1.  R Sorenson (Ariostea, Den) 6hr 34min (24.6mph; 39.36kph)
2.  F Maassen (Buckler) same time
3.  P Anderson (Motorola, Aust) +8sec
4.  B Rijs (Ariostea) same time
5.  O Ludwig (Panasonic, Ger) +22sec
6.  J Bogaert (Assur)
7.  J Dauwe (Collstrop)
8.  E Vanderaerden (Buckler)
9.  N Verhoeven (PDM)
10. H Redant (Lotto) all same time

STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"I go out walking after midnight, searching for you..."
  -Patsy Cline
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Burley tandem summary
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:47:53 GMT

In article <00961374.973586C0@vms.csd.mu.edu>
9070natschke@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
 
>                     whether captain/stoker pedals should be in phase or 90
>degrees our of phase. Our pedals are still in phase and I'm wondering if we
>would benefit by moving them out of phase.
>
This debate was already raging about 17 years ago when my wife and I
started tandeming.  At that time we opted for "out" for the following
reasons:
 
1.  It puts less stress on the rear drive train by staggering the two
riders' most poerful parts of each pedal cycle.  At the time, there was
essentially NO tandem equipment (such as freewheels) available, and
we thought that we might want to take it a little easy on equipment
designed for single riders.
 
2.  You can go uphill in a higher gear since the bike as a whole has
no dead spots in the power cycle.  At the time, six speed freewheels
were rare, and we needed all the intermediate gears we could get.
 
After many years of riding out of phase, we have never switched back
(except for short periods to reassure ourselves that we didn't like
it.)  When we ride our triple with three adults, we go 120 degrees
out of phase; we also may experiment with 60 degrees.
 
The supposed disadvantages of going out of phase include the following:
 
1.  It is hard for both riders to stand up.  (We have no problem.)
 
2.  It looks weird.  (So what?)
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Comments on Bridgestone?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:16:11 GMT

In article <Bv1DJn.Eqx@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>In article <BuyK40.Drw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>(Terry Thiel) jolts us: 
>
>>>>RB-T has not been included in Bridgestone's 1993 model lineup.
>>>>... the list of production touring bikes keeps getting smaller.
>
>In article <1992Sep22.200535.27112@muddcs.claremont.edu>
>dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu) wonders: 
>
>>What's happening to these touring bikes?  I have a Bridgestone T500 which is
>>about 6 1/2 years old, and the frame is great.  I've used it for long
>>distances, long hills, and touring with heavy packs.  ... and I find
>>it to be much better for touring than my MTB with slicks.  Why are
>>the companies ending their production of touring bikes.  ...
>
>That's been my wonderment, too.  Schwinn stopped production of the
>Voyageur with the 1991 model.  Great touring bike.  My wife has an '88
>or '89 and I have a '91.  Like you love your T500, we love our
>Voyageurs.  In fact, during advanced pregnancy, she will not hesitate
>to get on the Voyageur in preference to her Bianchi--and she's a speed
>freak. 
>
>I peg it to the rise in popularity of the hybrid/city/whatever bikes.
>When you get right down to it, a bike designed specifically to be a
>touring bike (and not a knockoff from an MTB frame--C'dale) is the
>ultimate hyprid.  I guess enough folks are put off by the appearence
>of drop bars that they shied away from touring bikes.

After I interviewed Bianchi's Bill Horner, I suspected that the drop
bar hybrid was a dying breed.  At the Anaheim show I was (unfortunately)
proven correct.  Bridgestone and Miyata dropped their drop-bar hybrids.
Bianchi however, still has the venerable Volpe though.

If you want a drop-bar hybrid, now is a good time to shop.  Most of the
manufacturers I spoke to said that they have a decent supply of their
drop-bar bikes, and that they *should* be discounted.  Buy now, or be
prepared to tinker...

>
>
>
>-- 
>sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
>Wanna ride?


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour sitting down (was Re: Demise of the touring bike?)
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:52:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY 12345

In article <1992Sep26.221801.15403@seas.gwu.edu> freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag) writes:


   My recumbent weighs in at 32 lbs.  This may not be "feather" light but
   it is not going to be the source of hill-climbing difficulties.  The
   way to climb hills in a recumbent is to use the gears.  Standing on the
   pedals is not an option since you are sitting down.  Shortcoming?  No,
   the seat back allows one to place more pressure on the pedals provided
   one is strong enough.  When riding a diamond frame the rider is limited
   to the force that can be generated by lifting one's own weight.  If the
   rider is 150lbs that is the maximum force (plus some acceleration 
   component derived from the standing motion), available to rotate the crank.

You aren't limited to your body weight when standing on the pedals
of a diamond frame.  Assuming you have some type of attached pedal
you should be lifting with your other foot.  If you lift with, say,
30 lbf, then that is also an extra 30 pounds on your downward foot.
(60 lb total).

Most people also pull on the handlebars when climbing out of the saddle.

One way or the other, you end up doing all the work it takes to get
to the top of the hill.  I prefer to stay in the saddle using a lower
gear and higher cadence if a low enough gear is available, but I still
make a point of pushing the pedal all the way around, not just down.

-don perley
--
perley@trub.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.racing
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: RESULTS : Nissan Classic Stage 5
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:07:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.093810.21301@cs.hw.ac.uk> sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk writes:
>

>OVERALL (523 miles)
>
>2.  R Alcala (PDM, Mex) +7sec

MUY BUENO!!



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: bike locks
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:06:22 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Oct6.013804.28604@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>I find it hard to believe that bicycle thieves would carry a vacuum
>bottle of LN around. And freon -- which is the usual material in this
>myth -- doesn't get nearly cold enough to make metal brittle.

How about liquid nitrogren in a Thermos bottle?  On campus here, anybody
who's in engineering/chemistry/physics/etc. has very easy access to
LN...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Burley tandem summary
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:30:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.034338.29117@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
>Keith (9070natschke@vms.csd.mu.edu) writes:
>
>Think of a tandem as a two-man paceline with near-perfect drafting and no 

Is this like getting ahead of yourself?? ;-}

NJC


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From: daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Questions on mountain bikes (~$400 range)
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:10:42 GMT
Reply-To: daver@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Organization: Costa Mesa, CA

In article <BvG822.8J2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>  The idea that "LOWER" end bikes have 1 inch
>headsets is completely wrong and is not borne out by even a cursory
>knowledge of mountain bikes.  What's wrong with Bianchi mountain bikes?
>etc.

When you folks talk about 1" headsets, do you really mean 27mm?  I don't
know too much about it, but did see the phrase "standard 27mm headset"
in the specs for a bike.  I figure that's about 1.06", (or 1-1/16").  I've
seen mention here of 1" and 1-1/8", so if I'm wrong and you really do mean
1.00", then I guess there's three sizes in 1/16" increments.

Dave
From: danmacd@terapin.com (Daniel Macdougall)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Univega 'Alpina Comp' Info?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:04:09 PST
Organization: BBS

        Well, my two-year-old Univega 'Alpina Country' was stolen a few days
ago, so now it's time to replace it. I'd like another Univega, as I think their
bikes are well made and well priced, too. Unless more than one person says that
this bike is a piece of merde, I'm going to buy it.

        But, of course, I wanted to ask a few questions before I bought it, as
once the money is spent, it's gone. (This has much more of an affect on a
17-year-old than a 30-year-old, as I can't afford make a mistake!) Anyway, I'll
list the components as I remember them... BTW, the price is $715, marked down
from the orginal list of $765 at my local bike store. It's a MTB, of course,
but it only weighs 25 pounds.

        It has:

'Concept 206' stem.
    "     "   handle-bar extentions.
    "     "   seat post
'Richey' brakes (levers and brake arms: the brake pads are "low-profile" --
they're almost like road bike pads.)
'Richey' seat: I don't know if this is very comfortiable -- anyone have a
opintion?
'Smoke' tires (I forget who makes these. They weigh 700 grams.)
'Suntour' XC-something gears, both front and back, plus chain and shift levers,
too. This is one of the big things I'm wondering about -- I think these are
hyper-glide, but I'm not sure: again, any opintions?


        Anyway, that's it. This seems like a good deal to me, but I can't be
sure. Any help you can give me would be most apprecated! (I can't spell worth a
damn, can I? :-)

--
Daniel MacDougall
danmacd@terapin.com
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:49:12 GMT

"Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com> writes:

>>DATE:   Fri, 25 Sep 1992 05:42:26 GMT
>>FROM:   Robert Lewis <rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>
>> [....]  I can assure you that I would get off of the road and then
>>write down his license number, in his clear view, and then contact the
>>police and demand that he be charged with uttering threats.

>As a matter of curiosity, have you actually done this -- called the 
>police, that is, and demand that a driver be charged with something? If 
>so, what happened? 

As I hope was clear in my original post, at least around here, I have
found unpleasant behaviour rare and in each case where I have written
down the address the unpleasant driver has ceased his or her behaviour
on seeing me do such.  So I cannot relate any experiences concerning the
reaction of the police around here, though the experience of others is
that the police around here are far from perfect but unlikely simply to
ignore something as blatent as hit and run just because a bike was
involved.  As for whether one should go through the criminal or civil
system, I would be very tempted to use the later as, even if cyclists were
treated exactly as motor vehicles, the punishments dished out for
misbehaviour on the road simply are too lenient, IMO.

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Organization: Sophomore, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 08:04:26 -0400 
From: Erik K Lobeck <el1p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Super light stuff
	<de.t02Ka23Y201@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>

getta klein mission control bar/stem.  Most, well, actually, least
weight for the buck, and they're strong as hell too...
                                                lObeck
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: piper@bach.udel.edu (Jon Malenfant)
Subject: Question????
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:40:32 GMT

	I just came into what I belive is a Gitane Vitus 788.  That is all I could
	find on the frame.  It has 12 speeds with two large sprockets in the front.
	It also has a Sella Italia saddle.

	What I was wondering if how much would be a fair selling price for it.  It 
	is in good shape.  All it needs is new handlebar tape but if I sell it
	I am going to replace the cables because they are are rusted but still
	work.

	Thanks for any help

-- 
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