Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Olympics and Animal rights
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:45:57 EST
 <1992Aug17.234421.24687@informix.com> <1992Aug19.184627.3629@desire.wright.edu> <1992Aug20.154708.29263@informix.com>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug20.154708.29263@informix.com>, proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.184627.3629@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.234421.24687@informix.com>, proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>>> In article <1992Aug15.205232.3499@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug13.184316.7193@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>>> In modern olympic games, equestrian is also very popular, but the human
>>>>> got medal and money, what did horse get?
>>>>> --Zhigang
>>>>
>>>>I don't know exactly what kind of a point you are making.  Do you ride?  
>>>>Have you ever owned/lived around/ridden/trained/raised horses?  
>>>>In other words, are you talking from experience or ignorance?
>>>>
>>>>Sue
>>> 
>>> Here we go again. Tell me Sue, was it only the slave owners who had
>>> "experience" on the subject of slavery, and the rights and wrongs
>>> thereof? The Abolitionists were just "ignorant" wreen't they? I mean
>>> they must have been, they didn't personally own any slaves.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>
>>Are you referring to horse owners as the same as slave owners?
> 
> No, not at all. It is just an analogy.
> 
>>  The reason 
>>I was asking is because often people in this group start ranting about
>>'neglect' and they really don't know anything about the particulars.  
>>I've spent lots of my life around horses.  I have seen lots of them being
>>used in various sports.  And the vast majority of neglected horses are the
>>ones who are standing in some dirty stall, with no care, no food.  For
>>the most part, show horses, such as the ones in the Olympics are pampered,
>>groomed, and get better medical care than the majority of Americans. 
>>
>>Sue
> 
> I accept that racehorses probably get about the best treatment of all
> the animals in capitivity.
> 

Sigh.... Please reread what I said.  I said that the horses in the *Olympics*
are pampered, and get better medical care than the majority of AMericans.

NOTHING was said about race horses.  

In fact, race horses are among the worst trained and most abused horses around.

> It's just the idea that only horse-owners are "qualified" to speak about
> horse-owning, only hunters are "qualified" to speak about hunting, etc,
> that I object to. You rapidly reach the point where the only people who
> are qualified to speak about a subject are the ones who agree with your
> opinion (that's the generic you, not you personally, Sue).
> 

NO, that's not what I meant.  I just get VERY tired of people pontificating
on topics that they know very little about.  Not too long ago, someone in
this group posted that rodeo horses are made to buck by tying a string around
their testicles.  This is about as stupid a remark as I have ever heard
about horses, yet this person posted it as if it were an absolute fact.
I've participated in several horse rescues, I've spent weeks hand feeding
a horse that was almost starved to death, then found a good, kind home
for her to go to.  I'm not saying that only horse owners are 'qualified'
to speak about horse care.  But too many people really know very little
about horses, how they are treated, what constitutes neglect and what is
abusive.  

> Paul


Sue
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