HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: howard@ms.uky.edu (Howard Francis)
Subject: Re: Davey's wreck/ESPN
    <1992Jul21.200615.2282@ms.uky.edu> <1992Jul22.140938.10542@ncube.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:55:07 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul22.140938.10542@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>>
>>>Anybody got any background on Jenkins?  What did he do prior to
>>>ESPN?
In my reply I request:
>>PS to c'ball:  If you get to talk to him, ask him if he wants a copy
>>of the published interview (If he does, find out an address I can send
>>it to).
>>
To which he asks:
>
>OK - where did the article [my interview with Jenkins] appear?
>
>-c'ball-
>
My interview with Bob Jenkins appeared in the Appalachian 
News-Express, a small three day a week newspaper in Pikeville,
Kentucky.  For those of you who do not know where Pikeville is,
get out you map of Kentucky, and look as far east in the state
as you can.  There we are.

The interview appeared in the June 15, 1992 edition as part of
a series I did for the paper on events besides the actual race
during the month of May.

BTW c'ball:  If he doesn't remember my name, remind him that
I was the one whose tape recorder wouldn't work.  (I had to 
borrow one of theirs!)

Thanx,

_howard v francis     howard@ms.uky.edu

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Howard V Francis -- Assistant Professor of Mathematics  Pikeville College
		 -- Photographer  Appalachian News-Express
		 -- Computer Science Student  University of Kentucky
(take the most appropriate title)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Mansell, Michael, . . . (German GP spoilers)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:29:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


Observations on the German GP:

Mansell tries another kamikaze move, but this time is unsuccessful in his
attempt to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  By my calculation he
only has to win one more race to sew up the championship. He now has a lead
of 46 points over his nearest rival, Patrese, with six more races to go.
One more win would increase this lead to at least 50 (the best Patrese could
do would be to fall only 4 more points behind by coming in second). Patrese
could then equal Mansell's world championship point total by winning the
remaining five races while Mansell scored no points, but Mansell would still
win the championship as he would have won nine races to Patrese's five.

The only other driver with even a mathematical chance at the championship is
Schumacher, and he needs a minimum of five wins plus a third-place finish
without Mansell scoring a single point.

If Mansell does win the next race (and with it the driving championship),
he will also win the constructors championship for Williams/Renault, as
one more win (from either driver) would give Williams at least 136 points.
Benetton/Ford currently have 49.  If they (Benetton) took second place at
the race that the Williams won, and both first and second place at all the
other five races, they would still end up the season with only 135 points.


Patrese tried to show that he could manhandle a Williams/Renault around a
racetrack as fast as Nigel Mansell.  He certainly managed to set fastest
lap a few times, but failed to demonstrate that he was the equal of Mansell
when pushing his car right to the limit (and maybe a little bit further).

Senna demonstrated his superb driving abilities by holding off a charging
Patrese for several laps despite being on old tyres, and having very little
downforce dialled into the rear wing.  however Michael Schumacher was, in
my opinion, even more amazing!  Not only did he also complete the race on
one set of tyres, he was running competitive laps despite only having a V8
powerplant.  A head-on shot showed how he was able to do this; he had even
less rear wing than Senna.  As the race practice sessions showed, it was
not easy to run even one lap with minimal downforce, let alone forty!


Finally, an observation about F1 vs. IndyCars.  If the IndyCar series is,
as we have often been told, a far more level playing field, then how come
Michael Andretti already has something like 25 race wins to his credit?
-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
The world can be divided into two classes :-
 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: More F1 Fodder
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:18:50 GMT

Here's some more scuttlebutt for the the F1 fans:

Top Dogs at Peugeot are seriously pissed (at Jean Todt)
regarding LeMans.  Though they got the win (after spending
much moola), Peugeot got zippo publicity out of it.  The
ROI (return on investment) was nil.  They are giving some]
thought to going F1 next year.

Other thoughts are that Sauber will be there with both Winkelhock(sp?)
and Schumacher as shoes.  If the car turns out to be successful, they'll
insert the Mercedes nameplate in lieu of Sauber.

So have fun :-).

Now, let's team Al Jr. and MiAndretti together in F1!  Get Dan Gurney to
turn out a new Eagle F1 chassis (complete with bird's beak front nose).
Guess you'd have to use Toyota mechanicals.  

-c'ball-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Mansell's handling problems ?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:02:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.113258.10226@news.clarkson.edu> taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:

>Mansell had serious handling problems for a lot of the
>race.  Very bad vibrations that caused him to slow down so that he
>could see where he was going.  That's why Senna and Patrese were able
>to close up so much at the end and, perhaps, why Mansell did not pull
>out as much a lead as he has in the past.

According to the post race interview (which ESPN did not show) Mansell
said that his tires were blistering very badly.. So badly to the point
that he couldn't even see clearly from all the vibration that was
in the cockpit.

I have to take my hat off to Senna.  Masterful drive on one set of tires.
Wonder how the Williams would have fared if they ran on one set of "B"'s
like Schumacher did.


eliot




Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Patrese at Hockenheim (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:05:08 GMT


In article <92015@bu.edu>, nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
|>
|>A question about rules & regulations in F1:
|>
|>Patrese did not cross the finish line, but suposedly got the 7th place
|>(I think) accorgding to ESPN. What is the deal here?

Any driver who completes 90% of the laps of a race is classified as finishing,
whether the car actually crossed the line or not.  Patrese did 44 of the 45
laps, and still had covered more distance than the other cars still running
on that lap, hence he was classified 8th.  Conversely, it's possible for a car
to be still running at the finish but not be classified, because 90% of
the laps weren't completed.

--PSW
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: wife shots (was Re: Toronto Indy Results, Points Standings--and CART-IMS agreement!)
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:33:53 GMT


In article <71166379711098@c00031-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu>,
jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
|>
|>Is it my imagination, or are there fewer wife shots lately?  I counted
|>only one in the Toronto race--Mrs. Rahal was shown in closeup one time
|>(though she also appeared among the pit crew in a few shots).

I noticed that, too.  Maybe Ohlmeyer is finally getting the message that we'd
rather see more of the cars and less of the wives.

--PSW
From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Thoughts on German GP
Date: 27 Jul 1992 17:31:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 In article <1992Jul27.174414.10884@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
 >
 [someone else writes]
 >|>See how the Williams drivers behaved under pressure ?
 >
 >DriverS??  Mansell ran away with the race and Senna never even got close to
 >him.  We never got to see how Mansell behaved under pressure because he
 >never was under any.
 >
   You must have been watching a different German Grand Prix than
 everyone else :)
 
   There is just one thing that I cannot understand about Mansell.  He
 is on the most 'experienced' (and I use the word cautiously), yet he
 still drives like young inexperienced charger.  I think that Senna
 knew that all he had to do was keep Mansell behind him for a couple of
 laps and he would do something stupid, and he was right.
 
  Did anyone else notice that Senna waved Mansell by immediately after
 Mansell missed the chicane.  Maybe Senna thought that Mansell would be
 disqualified for 'entering the track at a point other than the point
 at which he left' or perhaps for touching a cone.  Does anyone know if
 a protest was filed or if FISA considered penalising Mansell?
 
   I heard that Senna *has* signed for Ferrari.  I think this is a big
 mistake.  McLaren is on the verge of getting their chassis together.
 Their design philosophy has always been conservative and has focused
 on reliability rather than innovation.  Williams philosophy seems to
 be the opposite, but this season they have formula well and truly
 solved.
 
   I don't see Ferrari suddenly producing a championship winning car
 next season, but I can see McLaren pulling up their socks and getting
 on terms with the Williams.
 
   Just my $0.02 worth.
 

-- 
  Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS    |  Some people can tell what time it is by
  dxandy@cs.widener.edu           |  looking at the Sun, but I have never been
  dxandy@cyber.widener.edu        |  able to make out the numbers.
-----------------------***STANDARD DISCLAIMERS APPLY***------------------------
From: b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:17:00 GMT
Organization: The Anti Mansell Society
NewsSoftware: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
NntpPostingHost: utarlg.uta.edu
MessageID: <20JUL199213173201@utarlg.uta.edu>
X-Bytes: 2618

In article <Brp6G6.96H@apollo.hp.com>
johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes...
>  
>In my opinion Michael Andretti is currently a serious accident
>looking for somewhere to happen.  The oncar camera coverage
>shows that he has ample time to slow down and fall in behind
>Rahal.  Instead he chooses to put his foot down and make a pass
>in pit lane.  As a result of this decision he clearly puts his
>wheels above the yellow line on the track  a contravention of
>the regulations.  Unfortunately the CART officials choose not
>to enforce the regulations, so Michael is encouraged to continue
>in his belief that he is somehow special, and that the rules may
>be for other drivers but they don't apply to him.  How else can
>you explain his consistent jumping of the start on the few races
>where he wasn't on the pole?  He always seems to cross the start
>finish line in first place (O.K. not at NHIS, but that wasn't
>for lack of trying!).  I am always amazed when the CART officials
>wave the green flag  I think they should stay yellow. Actually
>I think they should wave the green, then blackflag Michael and
>bring him in for a stopandgo.  After all, isn't passing before
>the green flag waves technically passing under the yellow?
> 
> 
>John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com

I agree wholeheartily, there is a difference between driving agressively
and driving dangerously and Andretti has been doing the later for some time
now. IMHO he is having trouble accepting the fact that he is not fastest
at every circuit and driving with a bit too much emotion. He could learn
alot from a class driver like Rahal whose headsup driving style prevented
the first four cars from crashing on the first lap. As for jumping the start,
Fittipaldi blantly did just that. He was leading Rahal by half a car length
on the strait preceeding the corner onto the start/finish line strait and
yet they let him get away with it. What happened to the polesitter setting
the pace on the rolling start lap ???  I'm quite sure, had Emmo followed
the rules, we would of seen a different race with Rahal leading many of
the laps that Andretti did. It was clear that Rahal was as every bit as
fast as Andretti and only Emmo's rule infraction prevented Rahal from
setting the pace. Also, what happened to the speed limits that CART was
talking about enforcing on the pit lane ?? Rahal was out of the pits in 
plenty of time to take over the lead, but, Andretti floored it and barged
through the yellow line on his way to a tainted first. Funny, how it always
an Andretti at the center of controversy.

George.
From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren Engines
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:02:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan Swaby) writes:

>>2. Peugeot

>This would be my choice. McLaren has a chassis that would be good for
>Peugeot
Why do you say that? What does it mean?


>>3. Nissan
>They have a 3.5l v-12 built, but they swear they are not going to use
>it for F1. My guess is that the engine is too new. It is probably
>too heavy and lacking in power. If they did enter maybe they would
>use this as an oppurtunity to sell the infinities. I want to see
>them enter F1. I hope they do someday.
>>4. Toyota
>I have been hearing things about Toyota entering F1 for years. The
>talk stopped when turbos were outlawed. I have not heard much about
>a normally aspirated engine from these guys.

Both companies have been doing quite well with their normally aspirated
engines (eg in IMSA).

>Jonathan Swaby

toufic
            R 2 4      Toufic Boubez
            |_|_|      boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu
            | | |      Computational Engineering Systems Lab
            1 3 5      CAIP Center, Rutgers University, NJ
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ferrari and Lotus (Re: Boo Boo Senna)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:33:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.154812.6073@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>In article <Jul.24.11.09.08.1992.24081@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu> boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:
>>JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan Swaby) writes:
>>
>>> ... The Lotus 102/107 must be the only GM cars that are powered
>>> by Ford.
>>Just a small detail, but I think that the Lotus F1 effort is a completely
>>separate entity from the Lotus car Co. owned by GM. So it's not really a
>>"GM car".
>
>My recollection is that the racing team was always a separate entity from the
>car company, and that since Chapman's death the family has held onto ownership
>of the team.  I'm not clear on whether the change in team management (two
>years ago?  Peter Collins??) has altered that situation.
>
>Perhaps a serious Lotus fan can update us on the current ownership and team
>structure.

I posted something about this a couple weeks ago.  Some of what I posted is
speculation.  I need to call the team soon anyway, so I'll try to get
details on who actually owns the team then, but I am pretty sure that,
at least, technically, Hazel Chapman still owns the team.

alan
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Subject: Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?
Keywords: sneva cart indy
Reply-To: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:47:21 GMT


In article <jsnow.711740446@moons>, jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow) writes:
|> 
|> {...} and I volunteered to give him a lift which he agreed
|> to. It was a half hour ride and I found Sneva to be a very friendly
|> talkative guy. So what would you have asked him if you had him all to
|> yourself for half an hour? 

"Wanna stop for a beer?"

Seriously, I probably would start by asking if he still remembers the trick
I taught him at Mosport (in the early '70s) about how to open a beer bottle
without an opener using the edge of a table.

On specific racing topics, I'd be most interested in his opinion about whether
the "weepers" at Indy might have been a factor in the problems during the race,
especially all the wrecks up in four.

More generally, I think I'd be interested in hearing his comments about how
driving high-horsepower cars like Indy cars compares with anything else, and
what his views are on the best preparation for stepping into the cockpit of
such cars.  That's especially interesting, because there was recently an
article (Forrest Bond's column in On_Track?) about the lack of a good ladder
for training progressing into Indy cars.  It also relates to Sneva's own
ability to go 230 mph with little practice...

--bruce


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: spencer@odin.unomaha.edu (Tom Spencer)
Subject: Re: Senna attacks Schumacher!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:35:33 GMT

marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:

>In article <zlsiida.995@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>|> Just got around to lookin at today's paper.....
>|> Ayrton Senna, likely to be deposed as world champion by Nigel Mansell, 
>|> clashed with Michael Schumacher at Hockenheim yesterday.  Accusing the 
>|> German of blocking his line, he grabbed him by the throat before mechanics 
>|> separated them.

>Saturday (July 18) evening, Schumacher was a guest in the "Sportstudio",
>a sports program of the "Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen" (2nd Public German
>TV Channel).  The host jokingly presented Schumacher with an eyepatch
>to cover visible damages from his brawl with Senna.  (There were none.)

>Concerning his altercation with Senna, Schumacher claimed it had been
>blown out of proportions by the press.  He also said that he and Senna
>had had a lengthy talk after their quarrel which cleared what he termed
>misunderstandings between Senna and himself.  He claimed that there were
>no hard feelings left on his part, and he believes the same to be true
>of Senna.  (Funnily enough, very similar statements were attributed to
>Schumacher after the Magny Court incident, where Senna told Schumacher
>in no uncertain terms not to do such moves again ... )  It was interesting
>to see that the only footage of a race shown in the program was the first
>(1989) Prost-Senna incident at Suzuka.  Even more interesting was that
>the incident wasn't discussed subsequently.

>Finally, the host also announced that according to Japanes press reports,
>Honda would pull out of F1 by the end of the year.  Schumacher said he
>hadn't known this, although he wasn't caught by surprise, either.  He
>commented drily (and rather obviously) that McLaren would have to look
>for a new engine.  Disappointingly enough, there was absolutely no
>speculation on who that might be.

>-- 
>Robert Marti                    |  Phone:    +41 1 254 72 60
>Informationssysteme             |  FAX:      +41 1 262 39 73
>ETH-Zentrum                     |  E-Mail:   marti@inf.ethz.ch
>CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland     |
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: dougw@grebyn.com (Doug Worthington)
Subject: Re: Misc. Weekend Ramblings
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:19:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.215414.6996@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>
>There is a limit, and that limit is dictated by common sense.  
>Something you and Michael Andretti seem to be lacking sometimes.

I agree.  Just because Michael gets through without incident doesn't
mean that it's ok.  What's funny is that driving race cars seems to be
in direct  proportion to your personality.  I know people that raced 
with Michael in his early days.  He was a spoiled brat and he and his 
father drive that way.  This is not Andretti bashing.  He is an awesome
driver, but he is a jerk. That's what makes people people.

>
>But let's have it your way for a moment.  In that case, we have Michael
>overtaking a slower car (Rahal) on the racing surface, and going out of bounds
>(over the yellow line) to complete the pass.  That in itself is a rules
>infraction.
>
>--PSW

Correct, infact, the last time Michael left the pits, he agina put his
two left side wheels over the yellow line.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ayrjola@hut.fi (Ari Yrjl)
Subject: Re: Facts and Rumors before Hockenheim
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:29:04

In article <h1fm_d-.esprit@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
> I think it has already been mentioned here, but I will repeat it.
> Lotus cannot afford Al Jr. (they have unofficially unadmitted this) and
> if one of the current drivers goes it will be Johnny Herbert.  Mika has
> more sponsorship money (unless the EC bans all cigarette advertising like
> they were talking about).

I think Mika brings no cigarette money to Lotus. Neste (Finnish
oil company) used to sponsor both Finnish F1 drivers, but early
this year they dropped their support for JJ Lehto and his team
mate Pierluigi Martini in Scuderia Italia. JJ Lehto and his team
are heavily sponsored by Marlboro, and I think Neste didn't want
anymore be seen alongside cigarette logos in driver suits and
helmets. I remember Mika Hakkinen used to be 'Marlboro guy' but
choose to drop their logo from his suit to keep Neste sponsorship.


--
                     / /  most stupid
   ayrjola@hut.fi   / /   dinosaurs
___________________/ /    ought to starve
--------------------'     
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:48:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Senna & Schumacher
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

> Or maybe Schumacher should start learning how to look at his side
> mirrors before driving a F1 car. :)

How do qualifying sessions work anyway. I take it that they have several
cars on the track at the same time.

Are there any rules as to when you should let somebody through or is it
just gentlemen agreement ?

What if you are on a hot lap and Nigel shows up in your mirror. Moving over
might make a difference between a decent starting spot and an terrible one...

bruno.
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: F1/CART rumours
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:10:42 GMT

In article <pod.711962408@suite.sw.oz.au> pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) 
writes:
>Honda to go CART racing with Rahal (who is a big Honda dealer)

Isn't Rahal actually a big Acura dealer (yeah, I know, big difference)?
I think I read recently that his Acura dealership was rated #1 in customer 
satisfaction among all Acura dealers.  Actually, I think it would make sense 
for Honda to market an involvement in IndyCars under the Acura name.


--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu  uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!eos!jcsmith
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Good.  For a minute I thought we were in trouble."
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport