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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: need recommendations for center channel speaker
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:41:59 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Chris decrees:

>|> The best center channel speaker for a home theater is one that is
>|> identical to the left and right speaker.

And Brian retorts:
>Yes, but

>- An identical speaker may sound different when used in the centre position
>  because it's position relative to walls, floor, ear level is different 
>  from the main speakers.

yep

>- Most speakers can't be placed too close to a crt without causing screen
>  distortion and possibly damage, so positioning has to be a compromise 
>  between safety and ideal sound. I suppose the best way is to use a front
>  projector with the centre speaker mounted behind the screen, if that is
>  acoustically reasonably transparent. (Are there such things?)

yep and yep, 'cept front projection means the room needs to be dark.
Kinda of inconvenient....

>_ Many (almost all?) speakers are only available in pairs, so getting 3 may 
>  involve paying for 4.

yep,  but three pairs and set up another system in the bedroom!

>So I'd modify Chris' assertion to:

>The best center channel speaker for a home theater is one that, in situ,
>sounds identical to the left and right speaker.

Sure Brian all of you assertions are correct.

But,  there are solutions!

1.  Instead of placing the center channel speaker *above* the picture
screen,  Place the picture screen *above* the speaker.  Yes the screen
would be just above the line of sight when sitting in a straight back
chair but if you use a couch or easy chair then the laid back position
will put your eyes right on line with the picture monitior.  Also with
the picture screem elevated you could angle it down slightly and
reduce glare on the screen.

Besides I believe that it would be difficult to find a reduced
physical size center channel speaker that would sound "..identical to
the left and right speaker" based on the fact that the small speaker
wouldn't have the same bass response and the cabinet geometry will be
different thus making it's percieved response different.  And in case
you were going to ask,  the bass response of the center channel speaker
_is_ important!  (I don't care that manufacturers *make* bandwidth
limited center channel speakers,  whet we are trying to do here is
duplicate a Dolby Stereo Theater,  and they use full size speakers).
Additionally the sound mixers for Dolby Stereo use full size L/C/R
speakers.

2.  If you really don't like the idea of putting the picture monitor up
over the picture monitor then consider suspending the speakers above
the floor!


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From: rrccnet@ccu.umanitoba.ca (red river community college)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Satellite Systems
Summary: Which satellite systems
Keywords: speakers satellite systems
Date: 25 Sep 92 03:46:36 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


  HI, I am looking at upgrading my Paradigm 5seMkII's to a
  satellite system, such as the Bose AM5's.  I have also
  listened to the Infinity Micro (?) system, and found it
  to be somewhat better (IMHO) that than the Bose system.
 
  I would like any opinions that the net might have on these
  or other makes.

  Thanks.


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From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Recording times of MD and DCC
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:11:19 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <Bv7p9A.Evs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rmg53668@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ryan M. Grant) writes:
>
>Why can't DCC use 100 and 120 minute tapes to increase playing time?

It can, they just don't make any yet.

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University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independant Kingdoms.  :-)

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From: ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: CD player advice wanted
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:54:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep27.185445.15892
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I have an aging Yamaha CD-X2 which is having some very odd problems. it began
as a sort of tracking problem--it would occasionally go back to the beginning
of a track for no reason, then it started having little hiccups of repeating
a few seconds. now it can't seem to get past the first track, and the display
flashes all kinds of meaningless things. also, the tray will often stay open for only abot 1/2 second, then close, or open only part way then go back in.
Is all this likely to be part of the same problem? Is it worth getting fixed or
should I just replace it? i was hoping to wait until recordable CD players
entered the mass market before replacing this one.

Nathan Rose
From: Donald.E.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Donald E. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Cassette copies of CDs
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:26:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


What brand of Multi Disk CD player and Cassette Deck enables you to
make the easiest and best copies of CD to Tape?  I'd appreciate any
information you may have.

Thanks
Don Reed
Dartmouth College
From: marc@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC and the built in cassette recorder
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:20:50 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
In-reply-to: gerritse@sci.kun.nl's message of 5 Oct 92 09:06:39 GMT

In article <Bvn5B4.8H@sci.kun.nl> gerritse@sci.kun.nl (Bart Gerritse) writes:

   I would say the wisest thing to do is to wait for another year, and then
   give the second generation DCC decks a good listen. I hope that by that time
   you can buy a DCC + an external DAC for the price of a Nakamichi.

How about 'from Nakamichi'? That would be perfect.

Marc
From: richi@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Jennings)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:25:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Rewriting a Sony MD
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.audio

In rec.audio, Chinarut Ruangchotvit <chinman+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>If this is true...wouldn't that decrease playing time on many of the
>portables reading fragmented disks because of the high frequency of
>seeks?

No, because the data can be read much faster that required by the
decompression stage, so lots of data can be squirted into the FIFO
buffer, in readiness for the next seek (or the next heavy jogger's
footfall, or whatever).

richi.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: In search of the lost headphone cord
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:23:38 GMT

I live in an apartment building and am constrained to listening to
late night music through headphones. However, I need to be
roughly 50 feet away from my stereo when working on the computer.
I've been through about 5 headphone cables, and within weeks,
they end up fraying and connections go haywire etc. I tug on them
a little, but not a lot. I've always had to use a run of two
headphone cords for the length I need.

Anyway, the point of this rambling is that I'd like to know if I
can get a really high quality headphone cord that's about 50 feet
long. It has to be able to resist tugging and pulling, and I'd like
to insist on thicker than average cable. Does anyone sell such an
item? I'm sick of these crappy radio-shack-ish pieces of junk
every store sells.

Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: marc@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Rewriting a Sony MD
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:04:24 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
In-reply-to: j_adams@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM's message of 24 Sep 92 21:28:43 GMT

In article <7640098@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM> j_adams@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (John Adams) writes:

   Since the MD unit has a 3 second buffer it can seamlessly splice the
   disjointed segments togather.

On the Firato in Amsterdam Sony claimed that it will be a 10 seconds buffer.
This was due to the newest measurements.

I guess this is because they simplified their ATTRACK coding or they had to
increase memory to make it shock-resistant. 

I also wonder how they buffer when you are recording. Guess it isn't shock
resistant then. I also wonder whether recording is contact free. One needs
magnetic fields and laser, and the magnetic fields should be very small. 

   Try that with your DCC deck!

At least you don't need to spoil a lot of money to memory to make the
equipment shock-resistant. 

Marc
From: grant@steam.Xylogics.COM (Tom Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Fried speakers/dealers
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: grant@steam.Xylogics.COM (Tom Grant)
Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810


I'm about to purchase a pair of Fried R/4's.
The list price is $1200 and the price offered by
a retailer here in Boston is $1000. (He's also
giving me $100 for an old pair of AR 48s's, which
is nice.)  I need to know few things.

1) How is this price?  has anyone seen the R/4's for less?

2) If anyone knows anything about AR speakers, how is
   $100 for the trade-in? (they're 10 years old, so I pretty
		          much know the answer on that one :-)

3) Is Fried a fairly reputable company?

4) Does anyone here in the Northeast know of any retailers
   selling Fried?

Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

- Scott
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: 871323o@dragon.acadiau.ca (Oliver Oey)
Subject: Record/Turntable problem
Summary: Records only playing left channel.
Keywords: LP record turntable
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:00:56 GMT

Several of the used records which I had purchased recently but separately
only play the left channel.  The right channel is faintly audible from
time to time.  Those records looked fine to the naked eyes otherwise.
My other records played fine though.  This has never
happened to me before, though my LP listening experience is really
limited (I started with CD's).

Do some old records just behave that way or is there something wrong
with my turntable?

Any comments would be appreciated.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: hans@smab.se (Hans C Larsson)
Subject: Re: MD Price Info
Organization: Saab Missiles AB, RLD-Gbg, Sweden
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:10:14 GMT

marc@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers) writes:

>In article <1992Sep23.224626.8603@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg) writes:

>I immediately could hear 'random hissling' in the higher tones of the music,
>which makes MD worse than DCC or DAT in my case. The random access of MD is
>nice, and places it in front of DCC, but when it is destroying the sound I
>don't want one. 

A low frequency square wave seems to be a tough signal for both DCC and MD.

>The MD player was placed on a box, and no one was allowed to touch one. On the
>other hand, Philips had a lot of DCC players which everyone could play with. 

>Also  A little joke from Sony. A danser showed us how shock resistance a MD
>player is. The MD was connected to the amplifier by a wire. After swinging a
>little to hard the wire lost its contact with the MD player, but the music
>just went on??!!! :-))))))

And you said that no one was allowed to touch the "player", hmm...
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From: daw@cray.com (Dave Wright)
Subject: Re: Golden Ears?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:28:00 CDT


With all this discussion of the audible difference of speaker cables and
no measurable difference, I was curious as to peoples opinions on the
audible effects of measurable differences. Kill this if you want but:

Can you hear the changes in temperature or humidity in you listening room?

Can you hear the difference with the door open or closed?

Can you hear thermal gradiants dispersing the sound in the room?

I know what I can and cannot hear. I'm just curious!

I did not think Dick's response was arrogant. I also realize the questions
are broad and not scientific. Also each person has different experiences
to draw upon physco-acoustically.

PS Polarity and Phase are different metrics.

Dave Wright
From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Rock Solid speakers!
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:37:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah


   I would like to recommend to anyone looking for good sound at 
   a reasonable price to go listen to a pair of Rock Solid speakers...

   ...I think you'll be impressed at ~$400.00 per pair.

---------------

I have auditioned Rock Solids; even took a pair home to test.
Their attraction is that they are small and their contoured
plastic box has a built-in ball-and-socket mounting bracket.

Although I think it is a *good* small speaker,
I think you can do better for the money.  I don't
care for the bass reproduction in small, ported 
speakers (RSs are approx. 9x7x6).

B&W has a new line of small speakers (larger than
the RSs) in the $400 range, that I believe sound
better than the RSs.  There are several other 
excellent speakers in this range.

Don't get me wrong; if small is what you need, the
RSs are good speakers.


jeff

feitctaj
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: Hi-Fi VCRs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 29 Sep 1992 09:57 EST  

In article <1992Sep24.201434.19074@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes...
>kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Kevin Tieskoetter) writes:
>   Yes, but did you read what I wrote? Tapes labeled "HiFi" are like upper-
>middle of the line tapes. A "HiFi" is to video tape as an SA-X is to audio
>tape. But, there are still video tapes ABOVE the "HiFi" tapes that will
>give even better performance. Trust me, the "HiFi" label doesn't mean shit.
>Besides, I still find it hard to believe that a high-quality tape is going
>to produce better audio than a low quality tape used with a HiFi VCR.
>Consider the speed of the head moving against the tape with the audio
>frequencies it has to produce. Also, I'm not counting dropouts in this
>critique, just reproduction quality.
> 
>Muff
> 
True, "HiFi  tape" is a marketing ploy: HiFi is FM'ed.  If you see a 
tape with better audio specs than another, the specs are for the linear 
audio track(s) and are, therefore, "meaningless". 

Greg
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From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Tara Tri Class Monoblocks
Keywords: User opinions sought
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:32:17 GMT
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: flyboy.ebay.sun.com


I have taken a chance and purchased a pair of Tara Tri class monos.
these units are built by VTL for Tara.
They are rated at 240 in ultralinear, 100 in triode, and they have a
half way setting between triode and ultralinear rated at 170 watts.
I had a chance to pick these up for a steal at 2700.00 bucks (pair)
If I don't like them I can send them back.
Question: who out there has had experience with these units.
They use 6CA7s I believe.
I am familiar with VTLs 225s but, they use KT-90s or EL-34s.



Al 
Xref: sparky rec.audio:13048 rec.video:11723
From: dcha@flex.com (Doug Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
Subject: Re: Hi-Fi VCRs
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:43:39 HST
Organization: Flex Information Network [Hawaii] 808.531.3539

smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:

> kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Kevin Tieskoetter) writes:
>
> >1> What tape >is< better quality than the Hi-Fi tape, and where can I
> >find them?
>
>    TDK EHG. They don't have "HiFi" plastered all over the label.
> I normally use just TDK HS's for most of my recording and have found no
> problems with the audio handling.
>    The POINT I'm trying to make is that just because a tape is labeld "HiFi",
> doesn't mean it's a quality tape. Hell, I've seen Certron's with "HiFi" on
> the label.
>
> Muff

You may be right about not totally trusting a label, but TDK-EHG sure as hell
aint a HI-FIdelity brand tape, nor it is a Higher than HiFi tape.  He's
thinking more on the lines of Sony Pro-X, and the other "Pro" labels that cost
about $8-9 per tape.

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From: nileshb@news.chips.com (Nilesh Bhagat)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: recommendations for speaker wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:49:40 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Chips and Technologies, San Jose, CA


Hi netters !

This request is on behalf of my friend. Please
responce to his e-mail address : virens@chips.com .

He would like to know more about NHT 1.8 or 
equivalent speakers in that price range.
Any suggestions for good quality 100 watts
range speakers ? also recommend a good mail-order
company from where audio receiver/speakers
can be ordered. Any good/bad experience with mail-order
companies.

Your prompt responce to this is greatly appreciated.

Thanx in anticipation.

- Nilesh Bhagat
  (nileshb@chips.com)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse)
Subject: 6th Ave Electronics City
Reply-To: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
Organization: AISS/Telecom University of Illinois -- Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:55:15 GMT
Keywords: mail order 

 I am sure this has been gone over before.......but i missed it.
 
 Has anyone used 6th Ave. Elect. City before ?

 What do you know/think about this place ?

 DO they pay shipping costs ?


  Thanks alot
   jim



   jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, all-around skeptic and curmudgeon)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Re: Choosing Cables (Was  Re: Very expensive cables)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:09:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23751
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, all-around skeptic and curmudgeon)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1190769@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:
>What a dork.  He's still using this as if we never read it before.  You 
>sound like an overrun commercial for an investment firm.
What's wrong, Kurt? Can't answer the music, so you attack the
musician?


>"We listen to music the old fashioned way, with spectrum analyzers."
Yes, Kurt, that's *exactly* how you listen to music.  With
two spectrum analyzers, ones that have roughly 100 Hz bands
at low frequencies, and roughly 1/3 octave bands at high frequencies.
Thank you for admitting it.  [Said bandwidths can be gotten
from an old paper by Bertram Scharf, or from even older papers
by Harvey Fletcher, if you want to know.]

Said frequency analyzers are connected to very inexact envelope
detectors, and thence by PPM to a complicated neural network.

It's interesting that all the time you rail against digital
and "frequency analysis",  you use it.  Very sensitively,
in fact, too sensitively, which is both uncomfortable
and distressing.

>You are now added to my kill file, Dick. Sorry I assumed you were some
>real PhD, I must have mistaken you for someone important.   Now as far
>as I'm concerned, your ass is history.  So piss off, boy. 

Well, I won't claim that we're discussing religion, but I will
point out that this is the same reply to a skeptic when a religious
person finally gets tired of loosing to reason.  Basically,
it goes "I will shun the unbelievers".

Shun me too, Kurt.
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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Question: car stereo speaker mail order
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:30:13 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <Bv32pL.1os@encore.com>, sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois) writes:
|> 
|> I'm getting a new pickup and I want to put in a decent stereo, replace
|> the drivers, etc.  Any info on where I can get some names of companies
|> with good prices and service?  I have J&R Music World (poor selection)
|> and Crutchfield (expensive).  It seems that pickups need weird size
|> speakers if you want to easily replace the factory speakers.
|>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>   |  Steve Bourgeois                                 |----------------|  

  STEVE,

    I've tried to e-mail you but it keeps bouncing back.

    If you try over here at  REC.AUDIO.CAR  I'm sure the EXPERTS
    will fill you in.

  TRAVIS
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Electronic Parts, Catalog
Summary: some suggestions
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:57:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23737
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



	several months ago i asked a similiar question, received
several good answers and use effectively the following catalogs:

	mouser: 1-800-346-6873
	digikey: 1-800-344-4539
	allied: 1-800-433-5700
	wellborne labs: 303-470-6585

the newark catalog is much like the allied one but i don't have
their 800 number at hand. newark is a little bigger than allied
but i got pissed off at them for being out of stock of 50% of
my orders (probably just my bad luck but i've never had that
problem with allied).

	digikey is the one i use most and is in general cheapest.
mouser was the quickest delivery. i've not used wellborne yet.

			andrew hume

p.s. consider tanner electronics (214-242-8702). they are a surplus place
which have been fast and cheap for me. they are particularly good for
big capacitors but my best score was a avel-lindbergh dual 22V xfmr;
it normal costs about $50 but i got a shielded version for $18.