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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: number of pages
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:25:52 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan6.163958.27417@hubcap.clemson.edu> bo@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bo Slaughter) writes:
<
<Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...
<
<I need a program (piece of code, or whatever) that can read in a
<postscript document and print out the number of pages that WOULD 
<be printed if it were sent to the printer.
<
<If someone can tell me of the existence of such code, or can tell me 
<how I can go about writing the code myself, I would be most
<appreciative.

It's called a PostScript interpreter.  That is the only way of really knowing.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: sacks@spartan.mv.us.adobe.com (Joel Sacks)
Subject: Re: Cancelling jobs being processed (Q)
Followup-To: comp.lang.postscript
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:05:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.150357.22690@adobe.com> zisk@adobe.com (Stephen Zisk) writes:

   In article <justin.726213640@tasman>, justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au
   (Justin Ridge) wrote:
   > Is it possible to cancel a job which is being processed in a PS
   > printer - specifically, in a Apple LaserWriter IINT/NTX/f/g?

   For any PostScript printer data stream there is an "interrupt" command.
   On serial and parallel streams, emit a ^C character. On Appletalk, I
   do not know the command, but you could look it up in Inside Appletalk.
   The effect of the command depends on the state of the printer job.

Actually, there is unfortunately no such command on AppleTalk.  The protocol
you talk to the printer with (PAP, Printer Access Protocol) does not have a
Cancel notion.  The "Cancel" button on your Macintosh only stops the flow of
data to the printer.  This usually works if you interrupt a job before it's
gotten too far along, because the printer will go to read data and get EOF
instead.  The EOF can be in the middle of an image, in the middle of an
operator name, or wherever, but will generally cause some sort of error, and
the job will abort.  You'll never see the error, because the Macintosh will
have already closed the connection and won't be listening for it.

However, back to your real question, how to stop the interpreter on a
LaserWriter.  Even though you can't generate the interrupt over the
communication channel itself (in the AppleTalk case), if you have physical
access you can interrupt the job by changing the switch position for a few
seconds, and then changing it back.  This can have anti-social consequences,
if you switch the printer from LocalTalk to serial mode, say, because running
serial line levels on a LocalTalk wire will freeze the network.  It's probably
safest to disconnect the communication channels before fussing with the
switch.

Finally, even using the switch may not be enough, because as mentioned
earlier, the printer may have some pages queued up via copypage, and the
interrupt will not do anything to them.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: reeve@mail.physics.utah.edu (mark reeve)
Subject: PICT or TIFF to Postscript?
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:54:55 GMT

There have been a few posts on tangentially-related issues lately,
but I still don't have a clear idea how to convert PICT or TIFF
files to Postscript. I have heard that Adobe's Photoshop will do the
trick. Is there any other (preferrably public domain) method available?

Thanks for any and all help!

Mark Reeve
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: jcasey@maths.tcd.ie (James Casey)
Subject: Re: number of pages
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:56:27 GMT

>In article <4749@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan8.172822.12211@wavehh.hanse.de> cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) writes:
>><I an using:

>><grep "Page: " | wc

>And what if your document also has the text "Page:" in it somewhere?
>Please, use

>	grep '^%%Page:' | wc

>Even that won't work if you're working with nested documents which
>may have embedded (but igonred) %%Page directives too.

>>If the PostScript file was DSC compliant, then "grep %%Pages:" would be
>>enough.  If you get back nothing, then it was either a one page document
>>(where the %%Pages wasn't necessary) or it wasn't DSC compliant, which means
>>that the grep idea won't work.

>I've seen supposedly DSC compliant code emitting %%Page, but not %%Pages:.
>Somestimes a "%%Pages: (atend)", but forgot to do the real one at the end...

>It's simple enough to try both and see what comes out.

>Not very reliable tho.

More reliable-- use ghostscript... Someone on our site hacked it to return
number of pages printed... It was easy enough to do. It comes with a dummy 
driver supplied. He added a global in main,and added code in printpage which 
increments the global every time a page is printed, and before exiting returns
total number of pages printed. He says he will post diffs if anyone is 
interested.

james.
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: number of pages
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:12:15 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <4749@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.172822.12211@wavehh.hanse.de> cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) writes:
><I an using:

><grep "Page: " | wc

And what if your document also has the text "Page:" in it somewhere?
Please, use

	grep '^%%Page:' | wc

Even that won't work if you're working with nested documents which
may have embedded (but igonred) %%Page directives too.

>If the PostScript file was DSC compliant, then "grep %%Pages:" would be
>enough.  If you get back nothing, then it was either a one page document
>(where the %%Pages wasn't necessary) or it wasn't DSC compliant, which means
>that the grep idea won't work.

I've seen supposedly DSC compliant code emitting %%Page, but not %%Pages:.
Somestimes a "%%Pages: (atend)", but forgot to do the real one at the end...

It's simple enough to try both and see what comes out.

Not very reliable tho.

Consult the FAQ.
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From: bill@banana.fedex.com (bill daniels)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: Just the FAQs please (requesting FAQ file)
Keywords: FAQ needed
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:19:36 GMT
Organization: Federal Express Corp.

bill@banana.fedex.com (bill daniels) writes:

>Would someone please send me a copy of the FAQ for comp.lang.postscript?

Wow! What service!  The FAQs postings just reached my site!  Talk about
coincidence.  Now I will go away for a few days to mull over the FAQs
but based upon my initial scanning of the info, I will probably be back
looking for a command to embed in the postscript file that will make my
HP IIIsi w/ duplex option print in duplex mode.

bill
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From: tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: Postscript to HP Series II converter?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:21:44 -0600
Organization: Coffee R Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaches.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan1.234855.5391@vpnet.chi.il.us> ron@vpnet.chi.il.us (Ron Winograd) writes:
>Does anybody have a post script to HP series II unix based convertor?

I would be interested in such an animal, too.  I have some users who
prefer PCs at the Unix site I administer; being able to let them print
to PCL "printers" which are actually just filters sitting in front of
the Apple LaserWriter II/ntx's that we already have on the net would
be a big boon for them.

I tried looking at Poskanzer's pbmplus package, but that only allowed
translating from a portable bitmap (pbm) to PCL.  In case there is no
such thing as a PCL -> Postscript filter or translator, is there an
electronic copy of the latest PCL spec, or does someone have
suggestions for a good book on PCL?  Since pbmplus has its API so well
documented, it wouldn't be hard to hack up a really gross but workable
translator (I would just have the translator image and spit around
giant bitmaps).

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: ciacovel@telesciences.com (Chris D Iacovelli)
Subject: PS for beginners
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:59:33 GMT

Hello netters,

 I am looking for a good source of info for help in learning postscript code.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Chris
Chris Iacovelli
Member, Technical Staff
TeleSciences CO Systems
ciacovel@telesciences.com

Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: macr@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Mauro Croci)
Subject: PS on non-PS Printers (Mac)?
Reply-To: macr@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:10:01 GMT

Is it possible to print postscript files or files wich contains eps 
(e.g. FrameMaker files imported from SUN) on a mac with a 
non-postscript printer (like the apple LaserWriter LS)?

Are there any programs for that ?
Is the program Freedom of The Press what I neeed ? How does it work ?
Do you have experience with it ? 


Thanks a lot

M. Croci

macr@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch


Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Can a default font sub be forced?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:11:37 GMT

Doing a textual substitition for the string "/Souvenir" or "/ITC-Souvenir"
or whatever you're using with "/Times" should work.

Or, you can preface the files with a little Postscript program that creates
a copy of Times under the name Souvenir. The reencode example from the Blue
Book will show you how to do that.
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From: mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: STILL.PS program
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:17:12 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Has anyone gotten the postscript distillation program "still.ps"
from the adobe file server to work?  Any hints appreciated!
-- 
Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: bo@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bo Slaughter)
Subject: number of pages
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:39:58 GMT


Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...

I need a program (piece of code, or whatever) that can read in a
postscript document and print out the number of pages that WOULD 
be printed if it were sent to the printer.

If someone can tell me of the existence of such code, or can tell me 
how I can go about writing the code myself, I would be most
appreciative.

Thanks.

Bo Slaughter
Clemson University
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: sbeyer@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Beyer)
Subject: cexec in Level 2?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:05:04 GMT


Is it correct that cexec is no longer supported in Level 2? (I don't mean
undocumented; I mean that using it results in an error.) If that is so,
does anyone know of any Level 2 substitutes for getting low-level code to
the interpreter? Is this why Adobe has (I am told) abandoned Lasertalk?
Inquiring minds want to know. --Steve

Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Erik Wang)
Subject: Can GhostScript split PS to odd & even Pages?
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:38:37 GMT

Hi,all

	Can the Ghostscript split one PostScript file with many pages to
odd and even pages? I want to split it to print it on both side of paper.
	If it can,please tell me the method.....

	Thankx for any help.

	Erik

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: synchrods!daniel@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Daniel Senderowicz)
Subject: where are plot2fig and pic2fig?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:39:06 PST
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I was wondering if someone can let me know if there is an
anonymous ftp place where to find these PD programs? Thanks,

Dan (daniel@synchrods.com)
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: Program for generating mixed PS/TIFF - Files ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:44:19 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de's message of Mon, 11 Jan 93 09:17:05 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.091705.7927@wavehh.hanse.de> cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) writes:

   Is there a program that generates a file with postscript- und and
   tiff-representation out of a postscript-file ?

   The format is used for screen-previewing in Pagemaker ?

Yes, most applications on the PC generate EPSF files including a TIFF preview.
This includes Micrografx Designer, Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw! etc etc
A great thing too, since it means you can preview inserted figures without
requiring a full PS interpreter and waiting a long time...

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Xref: sparky comp.lang.postscript:6162 comp.periphs.printers:3798 comp.sys.hp:14556 comp.graphics:13448
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sys.hp,comp.graphics
From: eharding@uk.oracle.com (Edward Harding)
Subject: PPD file equivalent for HP printers?
Followup-To: comp.periphs.printers
Keywords: PPD, HP, printer, plotter, corel
Reply-To: eharding@uk.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:24:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Is there a printer capability file format describing the device
specific attributes of HP-PCL (4/5) and HP-GL(/2) printers and
plotters (in the same way that Adobe PPD files describe PostScript
devices)?

Has HP defined such a format?

I notice that in the release tree for CorelDraw V2.00.2 for X, the
printer driver subdirectory contains some `.hpd' files for HP printers,
as well as `.ppd' files for PostScript.  Is this `.hpd' format a standard,
or is it a Corel homebrew? - anyone at Corel Systems able to comment?

Thanks,

Ed.

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: koert@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (Koert van der Lingen)
Subject: Re: PS for beginners
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 13:12:46 GMT

In <1993Jan4.155933.18514@telesciences.com> ciacovel@telesciences.com (Chris D Iacovelli) writes:

>Hello netters,

> I am looking for a good source of info for help in learning postscript code.
>Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>Thanks.
>Chris
>Chris Iacovelli
>Member, Technical Staff
>TeleSciences CO Systems
>ciacovel@telesciences.com

I suggest you purchase the book 'Postscript language Tutorial and
Cookbook' from Adobe Systems Inc. It is published by Addison Wesley

There is also a reference manual available, but you need the first book
to learn. It's got plenty of examples.

K van der Lingen
Departement of Electrical Engineering
Electronics Research Laboratory
Delft University of Technology
E-mail: k.vdlingen@et.tudelft.nl
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: number of pages
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:59:21 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan8.172822.12211@wavehh.hanse.de> cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) writes:
<bo@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bo Slaughter) writes:
<
<
<>Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...
<
<>I need a program (piece of code, or whatever) that can read in a
<>postscript document and print out the number of pages that WOULD 
<>be printed if it were sent to the printer.
<
<I an using:
<
<grep "Page: " | wc

If the PostScript file was DSC compliant, then "grep %%Pages:" would be
enough.  If you get back nothing, then it was either a one page document
(where the %%Pages wasn't necessary) or it wasn't DSC compliant, which means
that the grep idea won't work.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: etobhag@etn.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634)
Subject: Print Time System Partner pages (mp?)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS, Oslo, Norway
Distribution: comp.lang.postscript
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:57:24


I have noticed the features of the mp command (POSTSCRIPT pretty print)
to print pages that will fit into the Time Manager personal organiser
(option -tm) and Time/System International organiser (option -ts).
I want to print pages that will fit into my personal organiser as well,
but the problem is that I have a Time/System Partner personal organiser.
this one is a bit smaller than the other two, so I can't use mp as it is.

So I wonder if anyone have an idea that will solve my problem.
I see several opportunities: 

1) A new version of mp exists that can do this format.
   Where can I get it, or can you send it directly?

2) Another program exists that will do exactly what I want.
   Which one and where?

3) Hack the source of mp to fit the size of Time/System Partner.
   Where can I get it, and where/what to I rewrite to fix the
   size? I'm not a postscript hacker.

4) Use a WYSIWYG program to draw the pages.
   Unprofessional.

Any ideas?

The size of the Time/System Partner page:

            7.45 cm (2.94 inch)
       <------------------------->

       ---------------------------   ^
       |                         |   |
       |O                        |   |
       |                         |   |
       |                         |   |
       |O                        |   |
       |                         |   |
       |                         |   |
       |O                        |   |
       |                         |   |
       |                         |   |
       |O                        |   |  12.96 cm
       |                         |   | (5.11 inch)
       |                         |   |
       |O                        |   |
       |                         |   |
       |                         |   |
       |O                        |   |
       |                         |   |
       ---------------------------   v

The page should allow 0.7 cm (0.28 inch) left-tab for the holes.

All help is appreciated!

--
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Ericsson AS, Norway
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From: titus@dallas.sil.org
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: PS table for DEC ALL-IN-1 ?
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:47:10 CST
Organization: Summer Institute of Linguistics, Dallas Center

  Does anybody out there have a printer table for DEC's
ALL-IN-1 system that allows access to all of the built-in
fonts on the PostScript card for the DEC 2200-series
printers?  DEC's "standard" table (PS) does not provide
hooks for Zapf Chancery or Zapf Dingbats, that I'm aware
of.
  If anyone has, or knows of a table that gives access to
those and other fonts, please let me know via e-mail where I
can obtain a copy.  If such a table doesn't (yet) exist,
perhaps DEC will add the additional fonts to the PS table
in the future.
  Thanks for any help I get.

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,news.answers
From: thompson@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Thompson, code 682.1, x2040)
Subject: Re: PV-WAVE widgets
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:24:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.175820.21889@news2.cis.umn.edu>, patel@sparky.drad.umn.edu (8-)) writes...
>I have seen postings on this net concerning IDL  widgets
>but none concerning the PV_WAVE widgets. I was wondering if
>anyone out there has tried out WAVE widgets. I am running
>PV-WAVE CL 4.01 with widgets. I like the ease of programming
>these widgets. Moreover, we can use any of the Motif (or OL)
>widgets also apart from the Wave widgets and also mix them.
>I donot know if same things hold true for IDL widgets. IDL user?

Not being familiar with PV-Wave, I'm not sure I follow you.  IDL widgets work
the same on both Motif and OpenLook, and take on the native look and feel of
either system, depending on which machine you're running on.

There are a small number of basic widget types available.  Off the top of my
head, I can think of base, button, slider, list (inclusive and exclusive),
menu, draw, text and label.  There are keyword parameters that extend the
capabilities of each widget type, such as allowing slide bars on draw or list
widgets, for example.

The latest version of IDL introduces the concept of combined widgets, which are
routines that combine several widgets, which can then be called as if it were a
single widget.

>Only thing I dislike is passing the parametes by common block. 
>The program look like FORTRAN programs and I hate the common blocks. 
>I was wondering if PV-WAVE can come up with something like a global
>declarations. This might ease a bit the parameter passing and
>make it easy to add/delete parameters to be passed.

It sounds like widget procedures in IDL and PV-WAVE work very similarly in this
case.

Of course, system variables are global and could be defined by the user in
either IDL or PVWAVE.  I have stored parameters used in a number of routines in
a system variable that was defined as a structure.

>I was wondering if someone out there can summarize the pros and cons
>of IDL and WAVE widgets.

How about discussing the pros and cons of IDL versus PV-WAVE just in general?
Anybody out there have much experience in both programs?

Bill Thompson
From: f61090@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (F61090)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.idl-pvwave
Subject: IDL for Mac doesn't exist?
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:09:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo


Is there a port of IDL or PVWAVE which runs on a Macintosh computer (Mac/OS or A/UX)??
I have heard of a version for IBM-PC.  Why not one for Mac?

     Kyo Akita (  kakita@solar.stanford.edu )