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From: cantor@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: Why is it so?
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.101034.1400@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> jetherid@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Etheridge) writes:
>svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>
>>Something that's been bugging me for quite a while now is the bit in the
>>Belgariad where Belgarath takes Zedar into the ground. I don't see why
>>Zedar can't get out of the ground. Belgarath's reason why he is stuck there
>>is that no one can exactly emulate someone else's mind. Why can't Zedar
>>just tunnel out? Maybe it's me, but I don't really find Belgarath's reason 
>>very convincing.
>
>No, it's not very convincing.  However, he does go on to say that part
>of what he did was that Zedar would never starve down whereever he is,
>entombed in rock.  So he has been chained within some kind of 
>sorcerous prison, not just the rock?

I always just interpreted it as meaning that he was in some kind of stasis, 
but I guess now that I think about it, if he weren't fully conscious it
wouldn't be much of a torture, would it?  I guess the prison theory is the
best one.

>Why did Zedar kill Durnik anyway?  He could have just blown him across the
>room.  But since it was Durnik's (temporary) death that allowed Polgara to
>resist Torak, he had to die, and what Zedar did was necessary.

Not only that, but I don't think Zedar meant to kill him.  My recollection
is that he struck at him with his will in a rush when Durnik attacked him.
He didn't really maliciously kill him on purpose.  I guess that was the prohecy
at work.


>Why entomb him for all eternity for being a tool of destiny?

	Weren't they all tools of destiny?  Even Torak and Zandramas were
just tools, same as Garion and even the Gods and their disciples.  When you're
on opposite sides (and in Zedar's case, he switched sides) you don't look at it
that way.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: rodney@larri.bhpese.oz.au (Rodney Lewis)
Subject: Re: Seeress of Kell.
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:22:29 GMT

chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:

>Well, in the US, it's usually 6 months to a year after the hardback has come
>out that a book is released in paperback.  Now I have seen Seeress of Kell in PB, 
>so I can't really say anything about that, but as far as I know Sapphire Rose 
>has *not* come out in paperback yet.  In fact, everytime I ask someone at a 
>bookstore, they say it hasn't come out yet.  So I'm not sure about Seeress of 
>Kell, but it looks like you've definitely got a wait on Sapphire Rose....

	The paperback version of Sapphire Rose has been out here in
	Australia for about 2 months or so now.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema)
Subject: Re: Dryad progeny
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:40:13 GMT

esrby@warwick.ac.uk (E.Bright) writes:

>1. All Dryads are women.
>2. Dryads mate with human males to reproduce, therefore all Dryad children are
>half-Dryad.

>Q1. Do the above two points indicate an increasing dilution of 'true' Dryad
>blood ? We are told C'nedra was 'half Dryad' and it was implied that she
>was therefore 'less Dryad' than the ones still living in the woods.

I'm not sure that it makes any difference whether a Dryad is full or half
Dryad, as all female Dryads (full or half) will produce female Dryads, no
matter how diluted the dryad blood might be. In other words, even if the
current Dryads were only 1/1000th Dryad, they would still produce a Dryad
if they produced a female child.

I don't seem to remember the other Dryads having any special powers that
C'nedra didn't have, which seems to support the above. Anyway, that's only
my theory, so take with a grain of salt. 

>Assumption: Female children born to Dryads are in fact fully Dryad <leaving
>out the genetic implications of this>

>Q2. So do Dryads ever bear male children ? And if so, what are they ?

>There were no 'boy Dryads' mentioned in the books, so what happens to these
>sons, if they exist ?

Hmm, maybe they wait for them to mature and then use them to propagate.
Maybe that aggressive little Dryad (I forget her name) that wanted to kill 
Garion gets to kill them? (I don't particularly like this one...)
Maybe they get set free somewhere outside the forest?

>Sir Helbergin@BelgariadMUSH, soon to be father to a Dryad child.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Why is it so?
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:11:28 PDT

In article <1992Aug15.101034.1400@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au>, jetherid@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Etheridge) writes:
> 
> Why entomb him for all eternity for being a tool of destiny?

Because Belgarath hated him with a passion.  If you have ever had
a very serious and deep trust betrayed, you should understand.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Dryad progeny
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:48:17 GMT

In article <yc0nb0k1@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, esrby@warwick.ac.uk (E.Bright) writes:
>...I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the following points
>which to my mind cannot be conclusively answered.
>
>1. All Dryads are women.

Yes, as far as we've seen in the books.

>2. Dryads mate with human males to reproduce,

Yes.

>therefore all Dryad children are half-Dryad.

No, not necessarily. Let's assume that the mating with a human male only 
serves to get the reproduction process started, *but* that only genetic
material from the dryad is used, and not that from the human. This would 
mean dryad female + human male -> dryad female, and would actually be a 
case of cloning.

*Or*, that some part of the dryad offspring's genetic material is cloned 
from its mother dryad, and the rest is contributed equally in the 
standard way. The second explanation would allow for some genetic
influence from the (half-)father on the appearance of the dryad, without 
the dryad becoming half-dryad. This is not cloning, so the dryads can be 
more different from generation to generation.

>Q1. Do the above two points indicate an increasing dilution of 'true' Dryad
>blood ? We are told C'nedra was 'half Dryad' and it was implied that she
>was therefore 'less Dryad' than the ones still living in the woods.

Without assuming an incident out of the ordinary, this is an 
inconsistency in the books.

>Assumption: Female children born to Dryads are in fact fully Dryad <leaving
>out the genetic implications of this>

This is how I remember it, yes. This would mean that Ce'Nedra should 
have been a full dryad, which she apparently is not.

We could explain Ce'Nedra, unless we want to accept the inconsistency,
as either a case where the standard dryad reproduction process went 
wrong, and Ce'Nedras parents contributed 50%-50% to her genes. Or 
perhaps dryads conciously can make this happen (e.g. using certain 
drugs)?

>Q2. So do Dryads ever bear male children ? And if so, what are they ?

If the second case above is true, perhaps the occasional half-dryad can 
be either male or female (standard probability)?

>There were no 'boy Dryads' mentioned in the books, so what happens to these
>sons, if they exist ?

We can only guess... Perhaps half-dryads are never kept in dryad 
societes, but are raised by their fathers.

>I may not have phrased the above very succinctly, but if anyone has any
>thoughts on resolving the apparent contradictions, I would be very pleased to
>hear from them.

Well, this is my version. My only reservation is that it perhaps is 
somewhat ridiculous to apply "real" genetics to a fantasy story...

Tomas

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               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
From: hawleylm@Apple.COM (Lorin M. Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: Interview with TR
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:28:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

write with an erection, even if you're a woman".

By the way, now that "ive figured out how to get back on to this newsgroup,
I wanted to followup on the "Fuck Yes" question many weeks past. I came
across a review of the book "Fuck, Yes" when it first came out, and the
end of the review included a statement that the author, the pseudonymous
Wing Fu Fing, was actually the book's publisher, a fellow in Washington
State. It was NOT Tom Robbins! I can dig up the reference and the guy's
name if anyone is interested.

Lorin Hawley
From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: Interview with TR
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:28:06 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

hawleylm@Apple.COM (Lorin M. Hawley) writes:

>write with an erection, even if you're a woman".

>By the way, now that "ive figured out how to get back on to this newsgroup,
>I wanted to followup on the "Fuck Yes" question many weeks past. I came
>across a review of the book "Fuck, Yes" when it first came out, and the
>end of the review included a statement that the author, the pseudonymous
>Wing Fu Fing, was actually the book's publisher, a fellow in Washington
>State. It was NOT Tom Robbins! I can dig up the reference and the guy's
>name if anyone is interested.

>Lorin Hawley

  wow, this is great!  we are witnessing the actual birth and nurturing
of a true, probly unverifiable, urban/literary legend.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
From: jkragh@Data-IO.COM (Jim Kragh)
Subject: Robbins on George Bush and the environment
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:43:54 GMT

A letter to the editor, reprinted from the Seattle Times 11-9-91, a little 
old but timely none the less.


       Combination of Term Limits and Euthanasia overlooked

  Maybe our mistake was in not combining Initiatives 119 and 553. Imagine the 
appeal of a law that would require all politicians, after two terms in office, 
to be subjected to euthanasia.

  In the case of George Bush, however, even one term is one too many. During 
the course of our nation's history, some pretty outrageous pronouncements have
sailed up the White House chimney, but when it comes to arrogance, cynicism, 
and blatant chicanery, Bush's vow to veto any energy bill that doesn't 
legalize oil fields in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge takes the
totalitarian cake.

  Since the amount of fossil fuel beneath the incomparable and irreplaceable
wilderness wonderland amounts to no more than 200 days of Americas oil
consumption, and thus will not even put a dent in our dependence on foreign
petroleum, Bush's goal is nothing more than a sleazy attempt to generate a
few billion dollars worth of easy money for his friends and family in the
oil business.

 The next time Boy George has the audacity to call himself the "environmental
president," we should call him the liar he has repeatedly proven to be. And 
then we should vote him so far out of Washington it would take all of John
Sununu's drivers and pilots to track him down.

                                                - Tom Robbins, La Conner

 (note initiative 119 and 553 dealt with Term Limits and Euthanasia in 
  Washington State, neither of which passed)
From: capistra@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Mahlona P. Capistrano)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: -
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:06:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

where's my signature?
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: none applicable,except, maybe, forl
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:56:35 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

BIG MACK
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From: "craig zacker" <craig.zacker@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: great news!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:08:24 EST
Reply-To: "craig zacker" <craig.zacker@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

>heard that they're also going to release just what exactly is in the secret
>sauce. God, I just creem in my jeans thinking about it.

Awww, you gave it away!!!

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From: Psylocke@utopia.hacktic.nl  (Psylocke)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McD's employees as friends.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:30:53 -0200

I think the McD's cheeseburger sucks so is's probable he got sick of it
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: McD's employees as friends.
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


I have about six friends that work at McDonald's, but I myself do not.  I
was wondering.  Who has the most friends of theirs that works at McD's but
does not work there themselves?

I bet that I am the winner.

Anyway, we recently had a bachelor party for one of our friends (he used to
work at McD's but now is a real estate appraisor) and we celebrated by ordering
about 120 McD's cheeseburgers.  We stayed up all night and ate them.  Needless
to say, I was awakened at 3:00 in the morning and had to take Ron (the sucker
that is getting married) to the hospital.  We don't think that it was the McD's
food, but you never know.  ;-)

Oh, well.  Just tell me what you think.

	-Tom-


Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: brian@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Re: GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:09:59 GMT

>>heard that they're also going to release just what exactly is in the secret
>>sauce. God, I just creem in my jeans thinking about it.

Sorry I deleted the reference.
Creaming your jeans eh?
I think you might be a bit closer to what goes into the sause then
you think....
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: none applicable,except, maybe, forl
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <114753@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM) writes:
}BIG MACK

Hard Hat Mack.
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Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Castaneda books -- info or FAQ out there?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:40:21 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners


I just started reading this group a week or so ago, and I caught what
seemed to be the tail end of a discussion of Castaneda's book. I'm not
sure I want to rehash everything that's ever been discussed, so is there
perhaps some online FAQ or something? I've read all eight (well, minus
the first one), plus the _Seeing Castaneda_ book (_The Don Juan Papers_
is mighty hard to find).

I really have two main questions. The first concerns the Eagle's Rule.
If it is in fact true (which I find quite possible, but a little hard
to believe), and as don Juan says, man's purpose in life is to increase
awareness, then that is simply incredible -- it's the answer to the
proverbial "What am I here for?"

The other is more of an info question. It appears from _Seeing Castenada_
that he never meant to write more than four books, and all the material
in the reviews is all about the first one, two, three, or four books.
Even the Don Juan Papers were written circa 1980, while the eighth book
was published in 1988. Are there any reviews (online or paper) that include
all eight (or at least more than four)? Because anyone that has read the
last few books knows that they put the first few in a dramatically different
light.

Finally, anyone know if there will be a ninth book? It seems that he has
a LOT left to talk about. Personally, I want to know what happens now that
HE'S the nagual and in charge of setting up a new group...

Just wondering... :-)

--Erik

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Subsumtion architectures and Emergent behaviours
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:23:10 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

Nice couple of articles in the Guardian (a newspaper, UK) at the end of last 
week.  Had that ring-of-truth that makes you want to believe it (though we 
all know {or should} that that feeling is often wrong).
Certainly was extremely interesting though!

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From: DZOLLMAN@KSUVM.BITNET (Dean Zollman)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: OCR Software
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: Dean Zollman <DZOLLMAN@KSUVM.bitnet>
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

I am interested in obtaining information on OCR software which can
be used with the HP Scan Jet.  I have read the article in the July
issue of PC Magazine and would like to hear any personal experiences
about the value of particlular software.
From: jack@admin.mport.COM (Jack Craig)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Playing CD's Through Drive
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:25:25 GMT
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

iidan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Rogers) writes:

>I recently acquired a Toshiba 3301b CD-ROM drive and was wondering if anyone
>has or knows where to get software that will allow it to play regular CD's
>through the headphone jack. Any help would be appreciated.

usl's svr4 has support for the toshiba's command set. there is a crude,
command line oriented utility for tray and play control as well
as channel select. i dont know anyone who is using it, but it exists.

by far the best option is the sgi box that has some Really slick
cdplayer options.

jack...
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>The University of Texas at Austin
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran)
Subject: Re: Cabling CD-ROM to Sound Blaster
Organization: Armon Public Access Unix System -- Portland, OR, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:05:52 GMT

jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:

>I have an ESDI controller and drive on my dos machine, so to add a
>cd-rom I get the SBPro card and the CD rom and I don't  have to buy a
>SCSI controller ??? Is this right ???

No... it's not.  The SoundBlaster Pro has a proprietary CD-ROM interface
that works with a specific Panasonic model CD-ROM. You cannot attach other
CD-ROM (or other devices for that matter) to the SB Pro card.

The ProAudio Spectrum 16 on the other hand has a SCSI interface built-in
so you can attach any good old SCSI device to it... A CD-ROM SCSI driver
is available from the makers of the ProAudio Spectrum, and you can buy the
hard disk (and more) SCSI drivers for it from Trantor for less than US $60.


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From: dylan@cs.washington.edu (Dylan McNamee)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Desktop Library CD - buy it!
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:48:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1479@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> dl1@ukc.ac.uk (Duncan Langford) writes:
>Walnut Creek have produced a quite stunning new CD in their 'Desktop 
>Library'; it's one of those rare disks which everyone should own. No, really.

I second the sentiment--at $39, I'm one happy customer.  There are even more 
features than mentioned in this posting, though--for example the whole disk
is duplicated in compressed (zip) format.  The _index_ alone is 3.5M.

I'm particularly excited by the entire Sherlock Holmes, and the complete
Shakespeare.  Pretty great stuff.

The disk says that the files may be freely copied.  I wonder if this means
that Project Gutenberg or anyone else could put these files up for grabs
at any public forum?

dylan
(also not affiliated with Walnut Creek CD-ROM, other than as a disappointed
customer of their AB20 amiga disk...what, no incoming?)