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From: mdr@netcom.com (Marc D. Rossner)
Subject: Diarrhea Again
Organization: Taos Mountain Software
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:44:00 GMT

One of my 4 month-old boys, Vincent, has had diarrhea for much of 
the 4 weeks that I've had him. He has still always been very lively and 
has impeccable litter-box habits.

I had called the vet about 2 weeks ago, and he said to reduce his diet and
try some kaopectate.  A few days later nothing had changed so I brought
Vincent and a stool sample in to the vet.  The vet said he had a fever 
(103? -- I forgot to ask what normal temp, is) and kept Vincent to watch
for 2 days (which broke my heart especially since his healthy brother Theo
missed him terribly).

Anyway, the vet did a fecal exam and said there were no parasites.  When I
got Vincent back the vet claimed Vincent was back to normal but had no great
explanation of what had been wrong with him -- he said he saw Vincent gnaw
at some paper which might be a problem but I have never seen evidence of this.

However, starting the night Vincent got back home and for the last few days
he has the same diarrhea all over again -- same look to the stuff, still no
effect on his lively behavior, etc.  I am sort of at a loss since I had to
leave him at the vet last time and it cost me $120 and nothing really changed.

So -- Any suggestions?

Rigorous Diet Control?? (of course his brother Theo has to undergo the same)

   Now they each eat about 3 ounces of "Fancy Feast" wet food a day 
   and some Iams dry food also.  Should I try to cut out ALL wet food?
	I put them on cottage cheese and baby food for a few days before, also,
   but that didn't seem to change anything.

Do I need another medical opinion?

	My vet is in general sort of unresponsive.  If anybody has an awesome
   opinion of their vet in the Palo Alto area, let me know.  As it stands
   I'm hesitating a tiny bit to call my vet again since I  can't see what's
   going to change.

Trying to be a good cat-dat  --

Marc Rossner (and Vincent and Theo)
mdr@netcom.com
From: cherniac@bbn.com (Natasha Cherniack)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: rec.pets.cats FAQ (part 2/3)
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:26:50 GMT
Organization: BBN Systems and Technology, Inc.


> To help prevent this kind of vomiting, feed your cat on a regular
> basis some petroleum jelly (aka as Vaseline).  If they don't like it,
> you can try Petromalt, a malt-flavored petroleum jelly.  Pats of

I have read that this isn't a good thing to feed cats as it is somewhat toxic.
Mineral oil will loosen a fur ball the same way petroleum jelly will but it's
better for the cat.

Natasha
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:57:15 EDT
From: <MAF112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: 'bye Tess

I can understand how you feel. A little more than a year ago, I was forced to p
ut my 7 year old Himalayan down. He had severe hepatic lipidosis (Fatty Liver S
yndrome) and over 75% of his liver was damaged. The decision to end his pain wa
s the hardest decision I ever had to make, but it was to only one to make.. he
was in so much pain and so unhappy. He was the first cat that was truly "mine",
 he was an abandonment case left at the vet hosp I worked at. He was a pure bre
d Bluepiont Him and he was beautiful. He was a mottled mess when I got him but
after months of good care, food, and grooming his coat was a cream dream and so
ft as silk. I miss him terribly, eventhough I have another Blue point Him.
    Anyway a few weeks ago, my fiance and I were in bed when we heard a cat pur
ring on the bed. But there was no cat on the bed, no cat in the room for that m
atter. We tried to reproduce the "purr", thinking it was a sound the bed made,
but we could not. Both of us know we heard a cat purring on the bed. So we gave
 it up to things most people would rather ignore, and decided that it was my
deceased Himalayan coming to say that he misses us too.

                                             Still missing my Moonshadow
                                                   even after a year.

                                                    -Theresa
From: myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Feeding Cats
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:34:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21078
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


  HI all.  I recently purchased two Siamese cats from the HS and now I have
a question about feeding them.  Since I got them I have only fed them
dry cat food with a "treat" of canned cat food about once a week.  However,
they both act like they are starved cats and follow us into the kitchen
everytime we go in there.  Even though one cat never (and I mean NEVER)
makes any noise, the other hollers enough for both.  My question: Am I 
not feeding them correctly?  Should I feed them canned cat food more
than I have been?  I normally keep their food dish full of dry food.
Neither cat have any tendancy to gorge themselves and they go through
probably about 3 cups of dry food a day.

  Please email since my time has been limited lately and I don't have
the time to read newsgroups.  Thanks

Robert Myhre
Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
North Dakota State University
myhre@plains.nodak.edu   (Internet)     
myhre@plains             (Bitnet)      
uunet!plains!myhre       (UUCP)         
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rob@apache (Rob Jarman)
Subject: Re: Help needed to save cat's life
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:21:21 GMT

In article <ldom05INNnsr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 1812@udel.edu, rob@apache (Rob Jarman) writes:
>>there's noone around to catch him. He has had diarrea lately, which could
>>be his food, but I'm not sure about that. The diarrea is slightly bloody. 
>>Personally, I think this is the reason he's not using the litter box.
>>Well, he does use it, he just uses the tub and floor also. 
>
>Have you taken this cat to a vet?  If he has bloody diarrea, he's obviously
>sick and needs to be treated, not thrown out into the woods.  
>
>If the litterbox problem is an ongoing one (i.e. not just related to his
>recent diarrea) you need to look for possible causes and perhaps retrain
>your cat.  It could be that his litterbox isn't kept clean enough, or that
>he needs more attention.  Have you tried moving the litterbox into the bath-
>room for a while?   Have you tried the suggestions in the FAQ section on 
>litterbox problems?
>
>-Ann
>
    He's been using the tub for quite awhile, but he's kept it confined to
the bathroom where his litterbox is. Recently he's moved to the other
bathroom which is what has my girlfriend so worried. I did look through
the FAQ list awhile ago, but most of what was in it you have to catch the
cat in the act to do anything. This cat is not dumb. He knows he's not
supposed to do it, so he does it when no one is around. 

   I'll check the FAQ again and see if have been any changes to it.

   Thanks.
From: alclark@RWASIC27.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Amy L Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: not quite cruel
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:35:41 GMT


  The posting about those cruel boys reminded me of an event
that occurred in our family when I was a wee tot.  Fortunately,
it is more of a humorous event since it had the potential for
disaster.
When my brother was a small boy of about five or so, we lived
in a house that had very tall trees in the backyard.  My
brother had a treehouse in one of these trees.  Now, my brother
is one of the most compassionate and gentle people I know.
My brother was outside playing with some friends one day and
they decided to go into the treehouse.  After everybody was
inside, my brother looked out, saw the neighbor's cat sitting
at the base of the tree, and decided that the cat wanted to
come into the treehouse also.  All of the boys scrambled out
of the treehouse, picked up the cat, but couldn't carry the
cat up the tree into the treehouse.  This is where my brilliant
(at least he thought he was- remember he was young) brother got
the idea that if they tied a rope around the cat's neck they
could haul the cat into the treehouse.  At this point, there
was a small knot of boys gathered around a cat (the cat must
have been VERY used to kids).  One boy was holding the rope
around the cat's neck, one boy was up in the treehouse pulling
on the rope, and one boy was supporting the cat at the base of
the tree.  The boys were just getting ready to haul the cat
up the tree (ie. hang the cat in their ignorance) when
(fortunately) the next door neighbor came screeching out of
her door demanding to know WHY the boys were trying to HANG
her cat and how could they be so CRUEL!  Needless to say,
my brother was dragged over to my mother who finally obtained
the explanation that the boys were only trying to get the cat
into the treehouse because they felt so sorry for it since
it was left out.  My brother was given a lecture that you can't
do this sort of thing to animals without killing them and it
doesn't matter how sorry you feel for them, they really don't
want to do what you think they want to do.  To this day, my
brother cannot be told of this story without feeling guilty
that he almost inadvertently killed a cat.  (BTW, my brother
won't even kill flies-- he catches them in his hand, carries
them outside, and lets them go).
From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Disease Incubation Period
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:25:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.usc.edu


I don't know how I typed what I did in the first posting, but I think the
closest spelling for the disease is "panleupopenia".
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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Need help - traumatic flea removal situation
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:29:49 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct14.172653.1959@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.151228.21338@odin.corp.sgi.com> lruben@persian.csd.sgi.com (Lara Ruben) writes:
>>
>>If you notice tiny rice shaped
>>particles on Morsel's behind or poop in litter box, you'll need to
>>go back to the vet!
> 
> What exactly are the rice-shaped particles? (I mean, what part of the tape-
> worm?) When I asked about the "albino planarian" I found a few weeks ago, the
> answer was "tapeworm", but I haven't seen anything resembling rice at all,
> and this thing was considerably larger than a grain of rice.

Ruth, you saw  fresh tapeworm segments (and they'll move!)-- when they
start to dry out, they wind up looking like a piece of polished rice.

The head of the critter is still inside the kitty, making more segments...

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI.
From: jmorris@spider.co.uk (John Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Phone hating cat
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:32:14 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <Bw6LDF.9E6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> edotto@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Otto) writes:
>lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson) writes:
>
>>Your cat doesn't hate the phone, he is just answering it for you. ;<)
>
>I have one that attempts to make outgoing calls...
>
>One bill had a $24 dollar call to France - direct dialed...
>
>					--		Ed
>
...and where do the ones who share my office learn to type the "cancel edit"
sequence with their back legs? (I'm not joking - one actually did this to
me! I was so impressed I forgot to get annoyed!)

John.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: Re: I feel SO guilty!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.195509.7558@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>But I'm sure all the kitties will play Angelica's vet visit and
>antibiotics for all the special treats they can manage!  Do you
>suppose they conspire when we're not around? 
>  "Hey, I can throw up for her." 
>  "Naw, that's no good, then we get put on crunchies and water
>     and hairball paste for a week."  
>  "Ear mites are easy to fake."
>  "No way!  She gets out the Mitox then.  No goodies are worth THAT!"
>  "Well, a limp is always good for some tuna"  
>  "Ok, who's turn is it?  Yuck!  Why do you have such furry feet? I always 
>     spit cathair for a week after I bite you." 

i have suspected this to be a truth for many years.  i firmly believe that 
my old crew would sit around and decide just whose turn it was to get sick
and off they would go to the vet.  i swear that there was a pattern to it,
mouse, michael, bunny, ryanne, then mouse, michael, bunny and ryanne again,
and again, and again ad infinitum.   

cats are wonderful at draining your financial and emotional resources :-)

kg

-- 
so what if i am a vegan?  so what if i try to live a cruelty free lifestyle?
i'll tell you what, i sleep better at night knowing that nothing suffers for
anything i eat or wear and i try to use products that have not involved 
animal testing.
From: john.hayden@analog.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Has my cat gone mad?
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:26:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Originator: john@atlas

In article <Bvt8w4.Hyt@encore.com> ashelton@encore.com (Amy Roberts Shelton) writes:
>In article <Bvr6pI.EDD@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>[ thread about grown-up cats chasing their tails like kittens... ]
>>

A cat I knew when I was a kid would chase its tail when balanced
on a railing, spinning around vertically down and up and over. A riot.

-j


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From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Second Cat, Following Death of Mother...
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:28:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: fpdynami.nlp-151092173006
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.


I think that that is a good idea.  At most humane societies they have cards
on the cages giving the basics about the animal.  Try to find one that says
good with other cats or animals.  I think that cats need a companion if the
human can't be home all day.  Though most people think of cats as loners,
they really are social creatures.  Good luck and let us know what happens!

Nancy and Calvin and Hobbes
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Fleas at the vet
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:10:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.194947.157473@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELLE A. M. SZENA) writes:
>was so afraid my cat would end up with them before we left.  Well, so far
>we've been lucky and they have never come home from an appointment with them.
>However, every time they have had to stay overnight, they come home with
>tapeworm which I'm told is from ingesting a flea.  It really makes me angry
>that I protect them from fleas and check them regularly only to have them pick
>them up at the vet.

If it's any comfort, human hospitals aren't much different. Despite everything
they can do in the way of disinfection, washing hands, etc., they are still 
great places to pick up disease. It's the nature of the beast. I expect that
the vet, like the hospital, would keep the *really* serious stuff quarantined.
And the exposure is usually quite short, which reduces the chance of catching
things.

I think dog fleas and cat fleas are different, so you don't need to worry
about your cats picking those up - or at least not sustaining them - but they 
could easily pick up fleas from other cats at the vet's. Do they stay overnight
often? We've only had ours a little over a year, but even when they were spayed
they went in at 8 a.m. and came home at 4 p.m. the same day.

Having separate waiting rooms isn't really practical since vets generally
handle a lot more than just dogs and cats. Birds, for example.
-- 
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Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: amyk@netcom.com (Amy Kurtzman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Fleas at the vet
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:06:26 GMT
Organization: Amy's Boca-By-The-Sea Resort (sm)

In article <1992Oct13.194947.157473@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELLE A. M. SZENA) writes:

> [stuff deleted]
>tapeworm which I'm told is from ingesting a flea.  It really makes me angry
>that I protect them from fleas and check them regularly only to have them pick
>them up at the vet.
>
>I know there's probably nothing the vet can do about this but it still makes
>me mad.  Also, I think there should be separate waiting rooms for cats and
>dogs.  It's emotionally disturbing enough for my cats to be there let alone to
>be next to a 100 pound dog who keeps moving around and hitting my cat carrier
>with it's tail.

I agree with you on both of these points. I don't think the flea
problem is as bad when you are just there for a (relatively) quick
visit. But when they are left for the day or a longer stay it is
terrible. My kitties suffered from tapeworms for over a year after one
of them was hospitalized for several days. If one brings home
tapeworms, all of your cats will end up with the problem. I finally
had it beat, and then w got a new kitten who turned out to be *full*
of worms (we were calling him worm-butt for awhile). My big cat took
to the little guy immediately, so within a few weeks the big guy had
to go to the vet for a deworming shot. 

On the subject of dogs, I am so happy with the cats-only veterinary
clinic we use. It is so calm and peaceful in their waiting room. When
I got the kitten, he came with a free checkup at a different vet which
covered the deworming he needed so badly. I wouldn't have bothered
going for the freebie if he didn't need the deworming, but this saved
me $15. There were so many big goofy dogs in the waiting room,
escorted by owners who didn't control them, that both me and my little
kitten were unhappy with the situation.



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From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: HELP:  Need advice about fat kittens
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:45:29 GMT
Reply-To: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct7.120305.17535@nuscc.nus.sg> art30358@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG HWAI AUN) writes:
>
>I have an eight month old and a three month old kitten (both, that is)
>and both of them seem to have paunches!  

I may not be able to get many breeders to agree with me, but I think it
is natural for persians to carry some extra weight.  In fact, all the 
persians I have ever had have been (what I call) "sturdy".  Also, they
have all had those little "fat pouches", underneath, just in front of
their back legs (they were all altered, too).

>I seem to have read somewhere
>that overfeeding them with nutritional supplements can cause problems.

I give my (adult) Tamora a vitimin a day and try to get her to eat the
"good stuff" (nutro's max cat).  I asked the vet about this.  He said
if she was eating the nutricious food every day, as she should, then 
she really didn't need the vitamin, but that it wouldn't hurt her to 
have it.

If this is all you're doing, then that shouldn't be too much, but if you
give more vitamins/supplements than recommended, etc. you might want to ask 
your vet about it.

>PS.  By the way, the eight month old is a tabby Persian and the other is
>a blue point Himalayan.

They sound adorable.  However, I like chubby cats.  ;-)

Seriously, if they are not _really_ overweight, I wouldn't worry about it.
Also rememeber, they both have those stocky persian genes (though I've 
never seen a chubby Himalayan).


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeremy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jeremy.l.radosh)
Subject: Does your ccat do this?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:30:53 GMT

Does your cat ever bury his food.  I don`t mean in the front yard, or anywhere
outside.  I'm talking about the good ol' supper dish in the kitchen.  My Orson
buries his with whatever scraps of paper (newspaper usually, which he shreds
every morning) or garbage he can get his paws onto.  He learned this from his
mom, Buddah, who recently passed on ( of a minor and then major stroke).  She
also buried her food.

I wonder if this behaviour is common for multi-cat families?  Or maybe it is
a throwback to the cat's hunting and gathering days, when getting food was
rare and it needed to be protected from other wild animals.  Is my Orson a
'throwback', not quite fully evolved.  Some friends (mgp) might think so, but
I don't know.

Any comments?


Jeremy (+ Orson)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: not quite cruel
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:13:00 GMT

Rebecca Alice Metz (rm6p+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:

: Bravo to your brother for being so humane.  I'd like to say that this
: board helps me a great deal, because I'm suffering SEVERE catsickness
: (missing Nikki and Pete terribly) here at school.  My parents tell me
: stories about all the odd things they do in my room to try to find where
: I've disappeared to.  I found a nearby pet shop with two live-in cats,
: and when I need a good petting, there I am.  It helps some.  But I'm
: considering a "pets allowed" apartment for next year.
: 
: I can't wait for Thanksgiving.

Anyone at CMU that can help this poor woman out??????
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: bobb@terapin.com (Bob Breckenridge)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: kittens!
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:03:24 PST
Organization: BBS

We have kittens that are available in Berkeley, CA.  They are eight weeks old
(10-10-92) and sucking once or twice a day.  The mother should ween them any
day.  The little creatures of love are black, one all black and two with white
bellies and paws.  They have been raised with the utmost of care and attention
by my wife mainly.  They are trained to a litter box.  Very cute.  If
interested, leave a reply.

If you know how I could send a message like this through Internet and keep it
local (ie, in Berkeley only) please let me know in a reply.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats