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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:50:45 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <1993Jan11.190555.659@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <16B5379AD.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>=     ....text deleted.....
>=  
>= >Personally, I feel that this standard has both good and bad points.  Sadly,
>= >I feel that the negatives outweigh the positives on this issue.  I plan to
>= >write letters opposing the new standard for several reasons.  If you are
>= >interested in further discussion of this issue, I think it would be best to
>= >discuss it via private email.
>=             =================
>=  
>= I already sent mail to Liza, but what do the rest of you feel:  should
>= this discussion be in private email, or here on rpd?
>
{deleted some stuff}>
>Further, I suspect that even though not everyone is specifically
>interested in the Labrador breed standard, most have a favorite
>breed of some description and may be interested in the general
>process of breed-standard revision.  Further, if there are no copy-
>right problems, it may not be a bad idea to post the proposed breed
>standard.  I'll bet that there are some readers of r.p.d who may
>have never seen a breed standard and who may like to see an example.
>
>Anyone else interested in seeing the discussion take place in r.p.d?
>
All excellent points Charlie.  I have never seen the revision process
take place and was pretty much unaware it happened anyway.  I would
really like to see the standard in question and what they plan on chaning
and how they plan on doing this.  It would be of general interest to all
on the net IMHO so let it rip as they say.

Mike

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| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: AKC Breeder Referral Service
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:54:36 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <1776@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:

>Could one of you kind folks please post or e-mail to me the AKC's new 900
>service number for breeder referral? The number I was given (or wrote down
>incoreectly, more likely) is 1-900-407-7877. This is not a valid phone number.
>And AT&T doesn't offer a directory service for 900 #s.

Hm, that's the same number I have for the FAQ.  Please post the
correct number if you know it (or cc: me on the email), please.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:29:32 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago


Let me continue this discussion about goldens and labs as protective dogs
one step.  I see a big difference between goldens and labs.  I've known
many aggressive and protective labs.  The only two serious bites I've
ever experienced were from black labs.   In fairness, the dogs may have
been motivated.  When I was 9, I let a black lab sniff my hand and then
tried to pet him.  He never sniffed and when I went to pet him he bit me
in my face, drawing quite a bit of blood.  Working at a vet, I needed to
pill a lab that the owners could not pill.  He was fine being pilled, so
I walked in and rather quickly took his head back for pilling.  He 
stiffened so I tried a more sociable, gentle approach.  After a moment of
talking to him, I again tried to take his head back and he bit my hand.
I've still got an inch long scar.  

I remember a discussion months back about "labs that bite!?!"  I don't
think we would have had nearly as many stories if the question had
been "goldens that bite?"  I guess I've just never known an aggressive
or protective golden, although it's a little easier for me to imagine
a protective one.  Has anyone?
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                              O             betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu
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  \      /    \       -- >      O           E. C. Weatherhead
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From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Food Bags
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:41:57 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <19398@mindlink.bc.ca> Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
>This sounds ridiculous but what is the best way to open those sewn dog food
>bags.  Other than chopping off the sewn bits, it does seem that there ought
>to be one string that one can just haul on... but that doesn't seem to be the
>case.  Thanks

One of my pet peeves!  I can never find my scissors so I end up cutting the
darn things  open with a knife while three dogs surge excitedly around me.
Why AREN'T they all closed with a stitch that just pulls open?  Some of the
supermarket brands I've bought have been, so it can't be because they open
in transit.  Do the premium-brand manufacturers think it adds snob
appeal or something for their bags to be hard to open? :-/


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Weird habits
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Whippany, NJ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:10:30 GMT

In article <C0E8xA.AMv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wenzel@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Patricia Wenzel) writes:

>Our current companion is a german shepherd/collie cross who
>has the most expressive ears I've ever seen on a dog.  We've
>not been able to read all of the expressions yet.  My favorite
>is full alert where the ears are both facing forward.
>When he greets us at night, both ears are tucked tightly back
>against his head; we think this means he's happy!
> When he's frumping, both ears sort of go out
>to the side and generally he's laying as flat against the floor
>as possible! Then he has times when one ear is up and one
>is curled sort of back.  Don't know what that means yet.

>Anyone else have a dog who use ears this way?

Absolutely - my Dobes!  Especially Babie, even though her ears are
a lot smaller than Mag's.  She's the type of dog whose ears would
have stood up with no problem if they were cropped...in fact, sometimes
they do, anyway.  (Well, briefly.)

Maybe she's part cat?  Those ears are like antennae.  She'll be lying
on the floor, seemingly sound asleep, till one of her favorite words
(like "walk" "out" or "biscuit") creeps into the conersation.  One
ear will go up, listening for further evidence that it's worth her
while to wake up.  With each successive word, the ear goes up another
notch, till she just can't stand it anymore, and jumps up to enter
"goofy mode".

Whenever someone talks to her, she'll tilt her head and lift her ears
about halfway, as though she's taking in every word.  When she knows
she's in trouble, they go flat down, and when she's angry they go back,
almost like a horse's ears.  And when she's really, really excited, she
can sometimes get at least one of them to stand straight up, at least
till it gets blown back down by the wind she creates as she runs around
in circles.


Roberta
...and the DoberGoofs...I'm so glad they're not cropped.
From: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: GOLDEN RETRIEVERS
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 

We are now the owners of a 9 week old female golden retriever. More
my wifes' dog than mine.<g> This will be a house dog. Right now it
is relatively well paper trained (thank goodness). We have finally
gotten her settled down in the evening so that she doesn't cry very
long. We get woken up about 5 am by her barking and whining. I hope
that changes soon.

Some questions that I have are,

1. As far as disciplining a dog. After you tell it "no" and it
still persists in doing something wrong. What is the proper<?> way
to strike the dog. With a newspaper/hand/?. I am of the view that
dog should not be struck with the same hand that pets/praises it.
But I am not sure about the newspaper. Any opinions?

2. With a pup, how old should it be before you take it on a 1-2
mile run? I understand working up to that just like a human.

3. Is there anything special when it comes to goldens. This dog
seems to have a good personality and always likes to be near my
wife and I. She has a fondness for slippers/shoes. Not chewing but
sticking her head in them. The dog must have a foot fetish.

4. Is it normal for the dog to spend a lot of time sleeping?

5. Someone made the comment that goldens' should have a companion
dog because they do not do well alone. Has anyone ever heard that?

Any help will be appreciated.
---
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:51:47 GMT


One of my colleagues' mother has five (5!) golden retrievers.  She had an
intruder once--someone strung out on drugs waving a gun around.  The 
intruder was sure this woman had money or valuables.  He tied her up and
kept threatening her with his gun.  This woman was in her late sixties
and lived out in the country.  The dogs were very upset and confused.
Then, when the police showed up, one of them decided to give a little growl
at the officer in charge! 

I'm still amazed that anyone would try that around 300 lbs of dogs, even if
they are goldens.  He must have been on drugs.

I still think dogs are great protection just because perpetrators have
their choice of victims.  They'll take a home or person without a dog
more often than not.  Make it a big dog with a bark, and I feel very, very
safe--even if the dog is trying to get to the person's face to lick them
to death.

-- 
                              O             betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu
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  \      /    \       -- >      O           E. C. Weatherhead
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From: amy@ragtime.sf.ca.us (Terry Weissman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I want my dog to obey me.
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:05:18 GMT
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I have an American Eskimo dog (a small Spitz).  He will do the normal
commands such as Sit, Stay, Come, and Stand when his choke color is on or
when I have food in my hand.  When he is off the leash at the park he
comes on command.  Sometimes he listens because he is happy to see me or
thinks I have food.  However, if he manages to gets out of the yard he
will not come when I call him and I have to chase him. Of course, this
makes him run more and it is very scary because he could get run over. 
HELP! what do I do?

My friend told me to hit him with a newspaper when I finally catch him. 
My dog trainer told me just don't give him commands when he is off the
choke collar.  Does that mean that I shouldn't bribe him with food when I
want him to do the commands?

Also, my American Eskimo dog is like hyper-city.  He doesn't stop moving
for a second.  He is weird and sometimes scared of noises.  He's 11 months
old (we got him when he was 4 months).  Is his behavior typical of this
dog?

Finally, I was thinking of trying to train him to stay off of certain
couches, although other couches are junky enough that I don't care.  Will
there be any problem teaching the puppy to distinguish between the
different couches?

Also, I want to get a second dog a Doberman Pincher, for protection and
affection and out of all the guard dogs the Pincher is supposed to be the
most affectionate. Does anybody know where I can find a good breeder that
has puppies?  (I live in the San Francisco Bay Area.)


Thanks!

Amy Weissman		amy@ragtime.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:21:38 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <19512@mindlink.bc.ca>, Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>> Chris Barnes writes:
>> lizalee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza L Miller) writes:
>> >Those of you who know and love the Labrador Retriever breed may find this
>> >of interest:  The standard for the breed is being revised by the national
>> >breed club, the LRC (Labrador Retriever Club, Inc.).
>>
>> I already sent mail to Liza, but what do the rest of you feel:  should
>> this discussion be in private email, or here on rpd?
> 
> 
> I'd like to see it publically.
> 
> --
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca        Nine weeks 'til Shaedi comes home!
> or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca   ********************************************
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Me, too.  As sec of our national breed club (Puli Canada), I've been 
involved in re-writing a breed standard, and am faced at the moment with a
a loud and persistent club director who wants changes (to better fit her
own dogs, 'tis thought).  I'd be interested in seeing what the lab club is
up to.

Stef
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re:  Poison Alert!! 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:18:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <64640041@hpcss01.cup.hp.com>, bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett) writes:
> This weekend, my obedience instructor alerted all her classes to this problem.
> The bottom line is, please do not leave your dogs unattended in a situation
> where this could happen to them.  It would only take a moment for someone to
> do this.  
> 
> Needless to say, I abhor such behavior and dread even having to alert the rest
> of you to this danger.                    
> 
> Diane
> 


Awhile ago, when these sorts of incidents were discussed on r.p.d., was
any absolutely credible evidence ever given to support claims that
this was happening?  All I remember is the major flame war that
erupted!

Holly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Radical Regimen for Recalcitrant Rovers: Weekly Report
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:14:52 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 38

Well, as I announced on r.p.d last week, I have put Buffer on Job Michael
Evans' RRRR program.  I said I'd keep you posted, so here's the 1st Report from
the Trenches:

I think its harder for me to stick to RRRR than it is for Buffer to stick to
it.  Buffer is being a good pupil, learning pretty quickly to do what I ask of
her (especially when I give her no other real choice). *I*, on the other hand,
am constantly fighting against my own temptations to "cheat, just a little." It
is very clear to me just exactly WHO is undergoing the "Radical Retraining" --
ME, not Buffer.

It cost a bunch of $ to get all the equipment (including a "doggie trolley"
for the back yard, so that we can continue to work on fetching & retrieving
without Buffer being off-leash; 30-foot tracking leads; "baby gates" to block
off restricted areas of the house; etc.).  I made the (stupid) mistake of
taking her to the woods on a 30-foot tracking lead.  She not only tangled
herself up in every bush & tree in sight;  she also managed to dash down a
stream bank at about 200 mph, caught me off-balance, & yanked me right into the
water.  "Brrrr." (I think that may not quite be *exactly* what I said...)

I still haven't figured out how to let her go swimming w/out being afraid
she'll get her feet tangled in the tracking lead & drown herself; or how to let
her play with her canine buddies when she isn't allowed off-leash (they get all
tangled up).  Any advice welcome(!).

Her chewing behavior has dramatically increased since we started RRRR.  :-(
She's performing her 28 tethered recalls/day so well that I keep being tempted
to think, "Oh, heck, she doesn't REALLY need all this."  <Ha! Yes she does.> 

One of the requirements of RRRR is to spay or neuter the dog if it hasn't been
already, so Buffer is scheduled to be spayed next week.

Generally, so far, so good (except the chewing behavior).  I'll contine to
report on the "RRRR Experience" periodically, as we go...

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: gurley@spectra.com (Jim Gurley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How do you train a dog to "speak"?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:49:21 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <1993Jan6.182238.11117@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> smm1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (michelson,steven) writes:
>In article <C0E5Bt.HCz@hsi.com> hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) writes:
>>
>>P.S.  If there are any other neat tricks that you can think of, that would
>>      be great too.
>
>When I point my finger (like a gun) at my Dachshund, Chillie, and yell
>"bang!" she immediately rolls over onto her back, and remains that way
>until I say "okay." When I wave my hand at her and say "bye bye" she (sort of)
>waves back. We're still working on that one.
>
>
>-- 
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>Steve Michelson                |  A dog teaches a boy three important life
>Bell Communications Research   |  lessons: be loyal, be obedient, and rotate 
>smm1@cc.bellcore.com           |  three times before you lie down. 

Our neighbor has an old yelloLab that "bangs" by either finger signal or
whisper of the word.  Once she's in that position, the phrase "air raid"
makes her roll back onto her stomach then put both her front paws over her
head.  My dog Boomer has mastered the bang part, put doesn't seem
interested in any higher education.
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How do you train a dog to "speak"?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:22:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) says:

>
>Hello, I'm interested in training my dog "Rolf" how to say his own name.
>What I'd like to do is say to him "What's your name?" and have him bark
>back at me which will sound like his name, Rolf.  He's 8 months old and has
>so far learned, sit, stay, down stay, come (sometimes), and gives me his
>paw when I say "How do you do?".  Any ideas would be welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>Alice
>
>P.S.  If there are any other neat tricks that you can think of, that would
>      be great too.
>

An excellent book on this is "Dog Tricks" by Carol Benjamin and ***
Haggerty.  It has more tricks in it than you will even dream of teaching
your dog with suggestions for the method.  In the back they have a listing
by breed of tricks that are especially suitable/unsuitable for the breed.

Gail Brookhart
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: glb@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Gina Bull)
Subject: Re: Anybody get some neat dog X-mas Presents?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:16:45 GMT

My black-and-tan Cocker puppy, Scotty, got a pair of red
bandanas from my sister. He willingly wears one around his
neck when we go for walks. He seems to know how cute he is.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: Great Xmas for Ginger
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:49:57 GMT


Hi:

I gave my husband a calendar from the local SPCA ($5).
It's really good.  Everyday has a "pet description"
of that day's importance.   Examples of what they've
done is to take "gone with the wind" and make it "Howling
in the wind" or take a person's name like "Helen Keller" and change it
to "Helen Heeler".  Except they do much better than
what I've put down. We also got a holidays placemat for the
doggie dish ($1) from the SPCA.  

From Santa, Basenji Ginger got a "chewman" for 
christmas (but this one was less than $6)
and a sheepskin like Candycane (aka chewman candycane).  And a cow's bone
with rawhide in the hole and a chewhoove with
rawhide in the middle.  My brothers gave her
big bag of rawhides and a doggie stocking.
She is spoiled.  She's still busy burying her rawhides in
our couch.  I don't think she understands they're not
hidden that well.  She gets one, hides it, the eats it later
and the next day, we do it again.
My mother-in-law is going to make her a
sweater.  Truly a spoiled dog!

For myself, I ordered several books on the breed
(I started on my present months before Christmas).  I'm still waiting for one
to arrive.  Ofcourse, this is the fiction one about Christmas.
Its Candle - A story of love and faith.  -- the littlest Basenji
follows her master who follows the wisemen.  I hope its good! 

Hope everyone had Happy Holidays,
Carol and Ginger
(and Paul too)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:08:39 GMT



I'm just wondering what are the thoughts 
out there about getting a second dog...
I'm thinking we should get another one but
it's starting to look like a very big step!

Is it more work, about the same, or much more work
to have the second dog? Does it really help keep the first dog company or
do you now have 2 lonely dogs?  Does the first dog
get more active if there is another dog around or does
it depend on the breed?  Also, will 2 dogs making the
tranisition of having a child later more difficult or easier
than having one dog.  Or is this even an issue?  I ask 'cause I know
kids take alot of time which means less time for the dog(s).

Also, if we get the second dog, how long will it
take us to know if it is going to work out or not?
2 weeks, a month, more?  I want to make sure we
can return the second dog if it doesn't work out --
particularly if the #1 dog and it don't get along.

Thanks in advance for any discussion.
-- Carol Mount
hogpa!cjsm
From: mooring@rikki.Eng.Sun.COM (Linda Mooring)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Newfoundland breeders
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:03:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mooring@rikki.Eng.Sun.COM (Linda Mooring)
NNTP-Posting-Host: rikki


Hi everyone,

For the last 8 months, my brother has been training his Rottweiller
with a Search and Rescue group in Southern California.  He's met a
gentleman that has been doing swift water Search and Rescue for many
years.  This man has been researching dogs for some time, and has
decided that he'd like to get a Newfoundland.

Can anyone send me a recommendation for a reputable Newf breeder?
He would prefer someone local, in the California to New Mexico area,
but will travel to any highly recommended breeder.

Please send any replies directly to me.

Thanks very much in advance!

Linda Mooring (mooring@rikki.Eng.Sun.Com)