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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Drugs in racing?
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:00:00 -0500

RH>The ability to control drugs in competition is strictly
RH>controlled by two factors...the honesty of the competitors...
RH>(and) the ability of the authorities to detect the drugs...
RH>...As a chemist I can assure you that it is easier to create new
RH>drugs than it is to detect them.

Every few years, the racing chemists make a breakthrough of some kind
in their ability to detect drugs and their metabolites. This generally
results in essentially the same group receiving relatively modest
penalties. Perhaps harsher punishment for bad tests would weed out
those individuals. If being ruled off for life was a virtual certainty
for trying to chemically engineer the outcome of a horse race, few
trainers would take the chance.

RH>...as long as there is lots of money involved, and as long as it
RH>is virtually impossible to detect most of the drugs being used,
RH>the drugs will be used...and there is little anyone can do...

The fact that banks occasionally get robbed doesn't make them crooked
or tempt me to keep my money under the mattress. In racing, everyone
from the hotwalker to the steward has a vested interest in the image
of the sport. Consequently, the use of drugs by an unscrupulous few
is minimal considering the number of races and horses involved therein.

Tom Stovall
AFA Journeyman Farrier

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From: kris@boi.hp.com (kris troxel)
Subject: Happy Solstice
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:03:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Greg:

There is at least one other person in Idaho who has heard of dressage, but
I understand what you mean. I have a reined cowhorse trainer who uses
basic dressage for is reining horses, and I studied when I was in college
in California. 

Congrats to your wife, she does us Idahoans proud!!!

Kris Troxel
Cassie - Aussie/Border Collie X
Shezza Brat - AQHA
Smart Leo Lena - AQHA
From: sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Transporting my 4-legged friends
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:08 EST
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In article <1hur7cINN2oq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes...
> 
>I was just wondering if anyone out there can recommend a 
>reputable horse transporting outfit.  My primary concern
>is finding one that takes the horses comfort and well-being
>into consideration while en route. . . . .
>Thanks,
>Sonja
>Feathers & Kai (who may be moving to Iowa with me in
>    the very near future...)
Sonja--
I used Blue Chip about four years ago to ship a horse from Vermont to
Maryland and was extremely happy with the quality of care he received.
The rig was clean and inviting, the pair in charge were very knowledgable
and comfortable handling the horse (who was an intimidating sort to
begin with!).  He was also a basket case about traveling--but they
bent over backwards to make things easier for him.

Sherron Knopp
Williamstown, MA
sknopp@williams.edu
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: more on bowed tendons
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:54:14 +1100
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <829.1002.uupcb@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net>, steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)  writes:
 
> Atually, veterinarians have now learned both blistering and pin-firing 
> have no therapetic use for any horse problem.  Now that we know they do 
> nothing, they're continued use is just cruelty.
> 
> steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)

AI think your claim that blistering a horse is ccruelty is ait harsh. Whether
or not there is any scientific merit in this therappy, does nt mean that many
people consider it to be of great beneefit. They will contiue to use it with
the best of intenntions. I know at least 1 person who stronny believes in the
benefits of bleedinng horses and continues to use this method in the treatment
of  colic. He claims good success, so even though there is no scientific merit
in bleeding horses who should stop him?

- Ross
                  
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Barn Fire Near Chicago - Tragedy Avoided
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:26:04 GMT


I was looking over some old articles I'd saved and noticed some
about the dangers of storing hay in the same barn with horses.
This prompted me to post about a story on our local news on Christmas
day.  As I mention in the title, this one has a good ending
for the horses.

A large boarding stables (70 horses) had a fire start in the loft
of the main barn.  Apparently they were storing all their hay in
the loft and had recently gotten in a load.  The owner went to the
barn to check something and smelled smoke.  He immediately called the
fire department, called for help, and started getting out the horses.
Although the fire spread quickly due to high winds and eventually
destroyed the large stables, many volunteers pitched in and were able
to rescue every horse and there were no fire-related injuries.

Maybe for once an angel was watching, because usually these stories
have a much different ending.  It points out again the dangers that
can come from improperly cured hay. 

What a shock for those boarders to get a call on Christmas day to get
your horse out - the barn burned down.  That phone call was always
my worst fear when I was an owner (along with any call from the barn
owner - I always started trembling until she would say something like
"the vet's coming for worming on Monday").  I remember hearing a story
come on the news once about a stable that burned to the ground with
most of the horses.  They showed smoldering ruins and went on and on
for about three minutes before they finally mentioned the name of the
barn.  By that time, I was a shivering wreck.  Smoldering barn ruins
look like they could easily be your barn.

I once DID get a call on New Year's Day.  We had had a giant snowfall
in Chicago and the roofs of indoor arenas all came tumbling down.  At
final count there were over 60 barns that lost their arenas.  They called
us to say the arena roof had fallen and the barn area was considered
unsafe although all the horses were fine.  We had to move them out.
This was at a time when everyone's car and the streets were buried two
feet deep.  I'll spare you the long story but with a well-placed phone
call our horse was safely at another stable before we were able
to negotiate the 30 mile trip to the stables.

Here's wishing none of us ever get "the phone call".

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 19ft. Stock Trailer for sale
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec28.204931.6390
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
>sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
>>>    19FT. CIRCLE J Stock trailer for sale::: like new condition, good tires
>>>    manger and large tack compartment. Gray with white roof.
>>> 
>>>                                      Ask for Dan at (814) 355-7205 day
>>>                                                     (814) 355-0917 evenings
>> 
>> This is a prime example of the complaints several of us have about 'for sale'
>> postings.  There is NO price, (how on earth am I going to determine if I'm
>> even interested) and NO location, (where is it, California or Maine?).  
>> 
>> Sue
>
>    SORRY, I guess you can not make one mistake without being flamed. I
>    thought horse people where nice. 

Mmmmmm.... Touchy, aren't we?

>    If you would look up the area code
>    you would find it is in Penn. and if you call the number you would find
>    out the price. I know that most of you would use company watts so it
>    would not cost you anything.

You're missing the point.  As a prospective buyer, you've told me there is
a stock trailer for sale somewhere in the world, presumably in the US, based
on the phone number's area code.  I don't know where it is.  I don't know
how much you're asking.  Why should I spend my time and energy to research
something you could have told me in two short lines of text?...

>        Wingate Penn.
>        $ 5,500

Furthermore, stock trailers are pretty much available locally in most
areas of the country.  The worldwide distribution of the original posting
is unwarranted.  I wish more people would use the Distribution: line...
(You will note that I did not in this case.)

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com
From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patricia A. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Another Arabian genetics question
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:51:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec21.055156.10263
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

Hello all!  I've been following the color genetics thread, and now
I have a genetics question of my own.

I have a friend who has an Arabian mare that she suspects might be
a CID carrier.  She hasn't bred the mare because of this suspicion, and
I applaud her caution.  I thought that I'd recently seen a magazine
article on CID inheritance and told her I'd get it for her, and for
the life of me, I can't find it.

So my question is this:  can someone explain CID inheritance in
Arabians to me?  My recollection is vague, but this is what I think
is true.  CID is a recessive trait, so that if my friend's mare is
a carrier, she'd have to be bred to another carrier to produce a 
CID foal, and even then would have a 25% chance of getting a CID
foal.  In that case, there's a 50% chance of getting a carrier and 
a 25% of getting a healthy non-carrier.  Is this right?

Does anyone know if CID is more prevalent in some bloodlines than others?
My friend's worries about her mare are based solely on the death of
one foal sired by her mare's sire.  The cause of that death was
never determined, to her knowledge.  Is there a test to see if a horse
carries CID?

This mare is terrific and really ought to be bred.  Any information
is certainly appreciated!

Patty

P.S.  This machine is giving me trouble, so I hope this posts in
a fairly coherent way.  If it doesn't, I'll try again!  ;-)
From: micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Michael Bongartz, private UUCP site, Saarbruecken/Germany
Subject: Re: Carnivorous horse?
	<1992Dec23.191316.29118@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
Reply-To: micha@moko.saar.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:30:42 +0100

In article <BzFs9K.EpC@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>
>One of our mares has taken a likely to eating dog food

In Iceland most of the horses in Germany called Islaender or Island Horse
eat in strong winters dry fish in salt and I have seen horses from Poland 
the kind - I don't now if this is the right expression - 'Wielkolski' often
eat mead or sausage. My own horse Lucky likes to eat my bread with 
butter and sausage. Most horses don't eat meat pure like a steak or
something else, but with bread they eat it. I believe if it isn't to
much that there are no problems. But with horses having problems
with their stomach (German: Kolik) be careful.
Sorry, the for most expression I don't now right english words.

bye, Claudia and Lucky ( 8-year old white gelding from Poland)  
                                                     c/o micha@moko.saar.de

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SnailMail: Michael Bongartz, Am Ordensgut 43, W-6600 Saarbruecken 1, Germany
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: more on bowed tendons
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:50:18
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In-reply-to: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net's message of 27 Dec 92 16:22:00 GMT


steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) writes:
] Atually, veterinarians have now learned both blistering and pin-firing 
] have no therapetic use for any horse problem. 

This is not quite true. Both could be effecaciously applied to
some horse owners, if the law permited it.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: More on bowed tendons
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:14:20 GMT

doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor) writes:


>Just as another data point on "bowed" tendons : I have recently
>"bowed" (i.e. partially torn) a ligament in my left knee, and
>am wearing essentially a splint. Ii is a fabric sleeve that straps
>on above and below the knee with 5 big velcro straps, and has
>three sets of metal stiffeners : left, right and back. I'm
>going to be spending 5 weeks in this thing, 24 hours a day
>except in the shower. Of course, it's purpose is to immobolize
>the knee so the ligament can heal.

I had a whole new appreciation of torn ligaments after I popped the
ligaments in my ankle while feeding hay to my friend's horses (don't
ask :-)

But, on the subject of bowed tendons... the farm I worked for (TB
racehorses) deals with bows by blistering and keeping the horse on
stall rest until the blister has finished.  It looks ugly and is
somewhat painful for a couple of days - we also put bibs or cradles
on the horse so that he/she doesn't get blister on their face.~

When the blister has done its job they are kept bandaged - usually in
a sweat.  They are handwalked for a week and depending on how they
are doing, they then start regular turn-out, but in small (I mean 30
x 30) paddocks.  These are sand paddocks, so we feed hay.  They
eventually work their way back to a regular, large grass paddock.~

We have one horse (who is for sale - see other post) who bowed and we
have done this three times to make sure the bow is well set.~


Cathy Cleverley~
clever@sequent.com
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Help! My horse has turned into a Juvenile
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:27:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I agree with a lot of what Karin said and some of what Patt said. Your horse
is VERY VERY dangerous and it is due to him being a stallion and you not
disciplining his bad behaviour. You must take a more responsible attitude
to this problem. You either have put the time and effort into training hin
to the appropriate behaviour or you must geld him. Although, gelding will
only be of some help now. It is not good enough to say that you can't enough
time with your horse and you don't want to geld him, then ask people for
help. Clearly, you already know that the problem lies in his testicles and
your lack of effort in overcoming his natural behaviour. This horse is too
dangerous to allow the situation to continue and probably become worse. So
I see 3 choices. 
1. Spend much more time training your horse (at least 1 hr/day)
2. Geld him and spend more time training him
3. Hand him over to a competent trainer. When the horse returns to you, you 
must still more time training him.

If this seems like a flame, it is because I am asked to re-educate a lot
horses that have a similar history to yours and I get quite angry when
these problems are easily avoided by the owners taking a more responsible
attitude to owning a horse.

- Ross
From: brownlow@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Seeking information on Norwegian fjord
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:30:58 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College






















































A breeder in New Hampshire operated Beaver Dam Farm for many years and imported
ponies from Denmark where some of the best Fjords come from. She and her family
moved to Pomquet, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada. Her name is Carol Rivoire.
She still trains and breeds them. Larry Poulin from Maine breaks them to
harness for her (Larry being Michael's brother of US Dressage Team fame).She's
been in Nova Scotia for 2 years now.
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey Ham Net Time
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:39:07 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hello Horsey Hams and SWL's-

   This is a reminder:
Try again for Wednesday night, Dec 23th, same times (5:45 PST, 6:45MST,
7:45 CST, 8:45 EST), again at 14.270 + or - 10.  I hope to finally hear
the Equestrian Net tommorrow!

					Teresa (N7KTG)
					Horses Leo, Ari, and Razzie
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: more on bowed tendons
Date: 28 Dec 92 05:31:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In Article 10717 in rec.equestrian:
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)

>Atually, veterinarians have now learned both blistering and pin-firing 
>have no therapetic use for any horse problem.  Now that we know they do 
>nothing, they're continued use is just cruelty.

	Agreed!  Sorry I forgot to mention pin-firing by name in my
article, I implied that it was of no use but without the crucial word
there was a chance that someone might miss the  connection.  So to state
it directly -- pin-firing and blistering are of no therapeutic value
in treating bowed tendons.  More can be done with a little rest, ice,
and early physical therapy. 
	Thanks, Steve!

					Tracy and everybody
 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.rural
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Re: Farm software?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 02:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.151940.19198@samba.oit.unc.edu> rdrob@med.unc.edu (Ricky Roberson) writes:
>Is there such a thing *anywhere* such as a software package that might
>help keep track of individual farm animals?  I find myself in need of
>something to keep track of worming schedules, vaccinations, dosages, farrier
>schedules, etc.  
>If anyone has any thoughts/ideas about this, I would appreciate if you'd 
>drop me a line.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick

I am holding the latest copy of Equus in my hands.  In the marketplace section
I see an advertisement for Horse Trak. This is a horse management software
package for the IBM PC or compatible. Cost is $39.95.  I have NO idea
how good or bad this software is. 

Here is the company information:
Forus Enterprises
Route 1, Box 44
Walnut, MS 38683
Phone:  800-798-4422
     or 601-223-4422

Rudy
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Leads in Kentucky?
Keywords: jobs land housing veterinary
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:01:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


		    INFORMATION NEEDED RE: KENTUCKY

A friend of mine wants to leave the NY/NJ metropolitan area and get off the
corporate merry-go-round.  She is considering moving to KY -- not too far
from her East coast roots, but far enough south to what she thinks might be
an easier pace of life.

She will need a place to rent, preferably in a small town and probably on
the eastern side of the state near the mountains.  She wants to leave her
office career of 14 years and, in her words, 'do something constructive',
like work as a vet tech or assistant in a vet's office, or help care for
horses in exchange for a place to live.

Any leads?  Towns in which to start looking?  Vets who might be looking
for help?  My friend is serious about this, but needs a starting point.

Thanks!
Steve
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: TB FREE TO GOOD HOME - N. Carolina 
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:28:38 GMT

This is from Jodie Gilmore, plase respond directly to her!!!
				Kay

*******************************************************************
> Topic: 20-yr. TB mare free to good home, North Carolina
> 
> A friend of an acquaintance of mine has a horse go give away. Here
> are the particulars:
> 
>         A person at St. Andrews College in Laurinburg, NC has a 
>         schooling horse needs a good home. She is 16.2 hands, grey.
>         She is said to be serviceably sound and a good trail horse.
>         One warning: She eats a lot! The current owners would like to
>         interview anyone interested. They say she jumps, and has been
>         retired from showing. They don't want her to be a school horse--
>         they want a less-strenuous existence for her.
> 
> If anyone is interested, please email me DIRECTLY (sasjmg@unx.sas.com)
> and I'll get contact info for you. Thanks!
> --
> Jodie Gilmore
> sasjmg@unx.sas.com
> 
> **********************************************************************
From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Drugs in competition
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:00:00 -0500

FB>I would really like to hear people's opinions on this subject...

I don't have any answers, but I can give you the parameters of the
conundrum:

If an animal is lame, the lameness should be addressed. If the lameness
is of such a nature that the horse will "warm out of it", then he
probably can perform without drugs. If the animal can't work without
drugs, ideally he should stay in the barn to lessen the chance of
worsening his condition.

In the real world, economic reality makes it difficult to justify not
taking advantage of every remedy. Most trainers will do anything they
legally can to get a horse to the track because of the tremendous
pressures exerted by owners.

FB>Breed for fitness, not just speed.

The horses most likely to hurt themselves are the ones with the most
speed. There a quite a few hunters that are hunters because they
couldn't run fast enough to hurt themselves at the track.

Tom Stovall

AFA Journeyman Farrier

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: schechter_e@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: More on bowed tendons
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:06:34 GMT

I'm the owner of Eve, the 9 year-old saddlebred mare with a bowed
tendon referred to in the message from
springer@khonshu.colorado.edu. Thank you for your helpful
comments. We evidently have some additional complications of
anular ligament thickening and a sesamoid "avulsion fracture,"
which may be old or new the vets say, but the basic treatment so
far (since the end of September) has been focused on the tendon,
which actually looks pretty good right now. We're doing the usual
routine and would like more input on the do's and don't's of leg
wrapping. We're using a quilted underwrap with polo wrap over
that. We know to avoid wrinkles and keep it firm but not tight.
Any other suggestions? Our recent bad weather has prevented us
from doing much hand walking, so she's mostly still stall-
confined (fortunately, this horse has an outstanding temperament
and is still cooperative and affectionate after all she's been
through). We were told to remove her shoes for the winter, which
we did. Any further comments on that?

Jacquelyn Schechter
Boulder CO