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From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:57:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep30.032347.25557@ascii.co.jp> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>>duane
>>
>>PS: alain prost - 1993 world driving champion!!!!   are you
>>listening, my dear little ayrton?  don't cry...perhaps
>>there's a future for you selling used cars in rio...
>
>	Alain Prost will be a pseudo-champion. He does not have
>	confidence in himself so vetoed both Mansell and Senna.
>	What is the meaning of this title gained by a coward like that?
>	
>	

re: vetoing senna

it means a bit more than the title earned by crashing into
your closest competitor to deny them the opportunity
of getting points.  at least in this case, there is a not
only a legitimate well reasoned rationale, there is some
semblance of respect for both the talent and personality
of mr. prost, respect that evidently senna doesn't deserve
even after an offer to drive for free.  that kinda says it all
to me.

re: vetoing mansell

mansell vetoed himself by thinking himself as good as senna
and figuring he could command a commensurate salary.
he's not as good as senna, or prost...he's not getting
his $25M...and he's perfectly within his rights to pack
up all his playthings and go home.  besides, he lives in
florida anyway...why not race indy cars?

duane
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Keywords: Mansell/Prost/Senna
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:05:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCvsy.CK1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

denis@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Denis Schiozer) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.151529.14051@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky) writes:
>>In article <92272.170700A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> writes:
>>> 
>>
>...
>>
>>nige had to do all year was to be on guard against that
>--------------------------------------------------------
>>brain fade, and drive like an orangutan on amphetamines.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>i was feeling pretty good about mansell winning until all
>>this stuff went down.  maybe paul newman will be more interested
>>in tucking him in at night and telling him bedtime stories
>>than frank williams was.   who cares.  yawn.
>                            ---------
>>
>>personally, i can't wait to see senna's doors blown off by
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>>michael andretti!  as for senna's comment above, you gotta
>-----------------
>>
>>duane
>------
>>
>>PS: alain prost - 1993 world driving champion!!!!   are you
>>    listening, my dear little ayrton?  don't cry...perhaps
>>    there's a future for you selling used cars in rio...

>I think you have to wait a long time to see that your dreams
>won't come true. 
>It looks like is you that want the other's people toys, not Senna.
>                 ---
>Before any prediction aboute Ayrton's future job, remember that
>he refuse a $25 million dollars contract with Ferrari. I looks
>to me he will be in Rio, but it's more likely that you will be
>selling used cars.

>I'm sorry to take this personnally but I think every one has the
>rigth to choose what to do and Mansell and Senna are rigth to
>claim a fair treatment from Frank Willians. They are good.
>They are world champions. And they make the show that you are
>watching.

>                         Denis Schiozer

	Frank Williams doesn't owe anyone SHIT!!!!!! If Mansell wasn't
there, Williams' would probably still won the championship by virtue of
the FW14B. From most published reports, the most recent of which is the
one in AutoWeek by Nigel Roebuck, Mansell pushed his luck too far, and
Frank backed away. Yes, Mansell has done a superb job for him this year,
but that does not mean Frank should be required to cater to Mansell's
every whim (5 extra hotel rooms per race!). It is sad that Mansell will
be departing and most probably Senna as well. A damn shame, really. But,
I guess we'll just have to get used to it...

TOBY...
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1-IndyCar Crossdressing
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:48:00 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

UPI reported yesterday that Al Unser Jr.'s plans for 1993 are still up in the air.  Rick Galles has extended the deadline given next week, and indicates some (but not unlimited) patience with Unser's position.  Little Al denies he has signed with anyone, says he has talked with Frank Williams and would love to drive for him, and says of Benetton "Anything's possible. . .stranger things have happened."

And in the unalloyed good news department:

Nelson Piquet, on his feet and walking after 4 1/2 months of recovery in Indianapolis, has returned to Brazil.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Sloppy thinking gets worse over time
				- Jenny Holzer


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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: SCCA Trans Am in Columbus, Ohio!
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:09:22 GMT

According to this morning's Columbus Dispatch, the SCCA have agreed to
bring the SCCA Trans Am series to Columbus, May 21-23, 1993.  The race
will be on a 1.8 mile temporary course to be constructed on the Ohio
State Fairgrounds.  It will be great to see racing in Columbus again,
even though the Fairgrounds can't hope to duplicate the atmosphere of
the downtown course that was used for IMSA's Columbus 500 until 1988.

I have mixed emotions about this date, however.  It's pretty close to
both Indy and the MidOhio IMSA weekend.  That's quite a strain on the
race spectating budget in one month!

"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
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From: rs3596@eve.albany.edu (Robert B. Scott)
Subject: Please Post Martinsville Results
Keywords: NASCAR, Results
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:12:21 GMT

Well the subject says it all.  I had to work all day yesterday, lastnight, and 
again today. I haven't gotten a chance to buy a paper.  If someone could please
post the results I would appreciate it.  Please include any info on how Mark 
Martin faired.

Thanx in advance,
Rob...

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From: dbm@cats.njit.edu (Dean McDermott - WB2CMN)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indycar race at Nazareth Oct 4ths
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:24:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


 You can also watch ESPN's live feed from the track on Satellite. Most of the time I watch Indycar on satellite SBS6. This is a KU "bird" and gives good pics here in New Jersy.
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Warning, r.a.s. reader goes mad.
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:14:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabot.1992Oct5.161417.2817
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <pod.717981859@sour.sw.oz.au> pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) writes:
>I know this posting is costing the net squillions and all that,
>but Thos Cohen has just spent $96.50 on Williams G.P. clothing,
>including, wait for it, $9.50 for "Williams Grand Prix Team" socks.

well i hope that at least it's all fireproof and FIA approved;
otherwise i'm not sure if the posting is appropriate to r.a.s

cheers,
  richard
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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: Re: Indy Stuff
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:07:30 GMT

In article <9210011522.AA03092@opal.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>Hi Racers
>
>This *may* be a stupid question but here goes. Now that we have lost
>Mr Wonderfull from F1 (nigel mansell) to INDY, what if any is the
>nearest race to Sunnyvale in California.
>
>See i said it might be stupid, but how is i sposed to know.
>
>Thanx
>Alan

The season finale at Laguna Seca, near Monterey, is the closest. Long
Beach is also reasonably close, but 8 hours drive away instead of
1.5 or so.

Jeff
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: What was the big TNN Announcement?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date:  5 Oct 1992 16:27 EST  

In article <john.38@aci_1.aci.ns.ca>, john@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (John Ernst) 
writes...
>On the early edition of Raceday, Pat Patterson said there was big news 
>coming in the late edition @ 8:30. Unfortunately, I missed it. Can anyone 
>fill me in to what was announced?

Slick 50 and Eagle One will be co-sponsoring a "Winged Sprint Car under
World of Outlaws rules" winter series from one of the Phoenix, AZ area 
tracks, to be televised live Sunday nights on TNN.  Supposedly several of 
the big World of Outlaws names are supposed to participate (though once you 
get beyond Kinser, Smith, and Swindell there ain't many big WOO names :-) ).

Now to vent my spleen a little with an open letter to Pat Patterson:

							October 5, 1992

	Dear Mr. Patterson,

	One of the reasons that I watch your show on Sunday nights is to
	get the results of the day's motor sports events from a number
	of different racing series.  There is one series in particular
	that I am rather fond of and thought that TNN was too, based on
	the manditory presence of a TNN sticker on each of the cars.
	Obviously, I was wrong.  There has not been a single word mentioned
	regarding this series on your show since the snow flew in Calgary
	They had one hell of a race yesterday in Toledo, which resulted in 
	a new series points leader going into the final race of the season.
	And while you'll probably have a "Skycam" shot from Jennerstown, PA 
	on your October 25th show, there will probably be quite a few 
	people who would have gone to Jennerstown had they known that the
	series was coming down to the last race.

	Sincerely,

	Jim Dorcey

	PS: I also enjoyed the "plug" that ESPN's Saturday Night Thunder
	    got on your show last night.

There, I feel much better now.

The "untold story" on the second to the last ASA AC-Delco Challenge Series 
race of the year at Toledo (OH) Speedway:

Winner:		Bob Senneker

Points:		John Benson, Jr. has a 19 point lead over defending series 
		champion Mike Eddy going into the season finale at 
		Jennerstown.  Eddy saw his points lead vanish shortly after 
		the 100 lap mark of the 400 lap race when he left the race
		due to overheating problems.  Benson finished two laps down
		due to a late pit stop under green to change a flat tire,
		but finished far enough ahead of Eddy to gain the points 
		lead.

JD
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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: FYI - Indy points
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:59:39 GMT

Indycar Standings as of 05-oct-1992
(Albuquerque Journal)

1.	Bobby Rahal			Lola-Chevy		182
2.	Michael Andretti		Lola-Cosworth		170
3.	Al Unser Jr.			Galmer-Chevy		165
4. 	Emerson Fittipaldi		Penske-Chevy		151
5.	Scott Goodyear			Lola-Chevy		108

6.	Danny Sullivan			Galmer-Chevy		 93
7.	Mario Andretti			Lola-Cosworth		 89
8.	John Andretti			Lola-Ilmor		 84
9.	Raul Boesel			Lola-Chevy		 72
10.	Eddie Cheever			Lola-Cosworth		 68

11.	Scott Pruett			Truesports-Chevy	 62
12.	Paul Tracy			Penske-Chevy		 59
13.	Rick Mears			Penske-Chevy		 47
14.	Stefan Johannsen		Penske-Chevy		 45
15. 	Scott Brayton			Lola-Chevy		 36

16.	Al Unser			Lola-Buick		 15
17.	Ted Prappas			Lola-Chevy		 12 
18. 	Eric Bachelart			Lola-Cosworth		 11
19.	Robby Gordon			Lola-Ford		 10
19.	Buddy Lazier			Lola-Buick		 10 

21.	Teo Fabi			Lola-Cosworth		  8 
21.	Brian Till			Truesports-Judd		  8
23. 	Jim Vasser			Lola-Chevy		  7
24.	Tony Bettenhausen		Penske-Chevy		  6
25.	A.J. Foyt			Lola-Chevy		  4

26.	Brian Bonner			Lola-Chevy		  3
26.	Hiro Matsushita			Lola-Chevy		  3
26.	John Paul Jr.			Lola-Buick		  3

29.	Ross Bentley			Lola-Cosworth		  2
29.	Panco Carter			Lola-Chevy		  2
29.	Ross Cheever			Lola-Chevy		  2
29.	Lyn St.James			Lola-Chevy		  2

33.	Fabrizio Barbazza		Lola-Buick		  1
33. 	Dominic Dobson			Lola-Chevy		  1
33.	Roberto Guerrero		Lola-Buick		  1
33.	John Jones			Lola-Buick		  1
33.	Jeff Wood			Lola-Buick		  1

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From: u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong)
Subject: Re: Can someone post the F1 race results....NOW!
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 07:10:35 GMT

ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:


>A O, are you out there.  I can't send mail to you from this site. Post the
>results, please.  And If you can also, post John Watson's pre race statements.

>Thank you.
1. Nige
2.Berger(sorry about the spelling)
3.Senna
4.Brundle
5.can't remember.....
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:26:06 GMT

From article <5OCT199208252674@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, by scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY):
> In article <1992Oct3.203726.19139@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, 
> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes...
> 
>>ESPN's Paul Page said during the Portland telecast that
>>they would be "bringing the Marlboro Challenge, as well as
>>the race, on the weekend of Oct. 4."
>> 
>>I assume that this means they intended to televise both
>>Nazareth events, the Marlboro Challenge and the Bosch
>>Sparkplug 200.
>> 
>>While we know that the Bosch race will be tape-delayed,
>>there have been no previews for the Marlboro Challenge,
>>nor any mention of TV coverage on ANY network.
>> 
>>Knowledge, anyone?
> 
> I believe that during last night's tape-delayed broadcast of the Bosch race 
> it was noted that ESPN will show the Marlboro Challenge next Sunday (10/11).
> Check your local listings for the time.
> 
> JD


They also said who won it at the beginning of the broadcast.  Don't panic,
I won't spill the beans here.

Ross Taylor
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:37:24 EDT
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    top 5 drivers,top 3 tracks

   Well, here's my take on this:
   CURRENT Drivers:
   1. Bill Elliott
   2. Davey Allison
   3. Dale Earnhardt
   4. Alan Kulwicki
   5. Harry Gant

   Tracks:
   1. Dover
   2. Talledega
   3. Michigan
 Brian ' NASCAR is number 1, PERIOD! ' France
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:36:06 GMT

In article <9210011257.AA03735@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>,
Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> You may well know but Prosty went faster than anyone before at Estoril
|> yesterday. 1m 16.28 secs.

This time was clocked on September 30.

On October 1, Williams test driver Damon Hill clocked 1:14:19 to top
the list, while Prost was 2nd best at 1:14:83.  (Blundell was 3rd in
a McLaren with Schumacher 4th in the 1:16 bracket.  Sorry, but I don't
remember their exact times off the top of my head.)

So who said that Prost will walk away with the 93 championship?
It all seems to depend on whether Damon Hill will get a Williams
ride next year ;-)  (Unfortunately, I consider this to be highly
unlikely, but who knows, after this kind of showing ... )

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Isle of Mansell
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:06:23 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Autosport 1oct92 p7:
...councillors in Douglas, Isle of Man - where Nigel used to live - are to 
rename Senna Street Mansell Street in his honour.   ....  the only 
residents of Senna Road, ..., are the McLaren family

Is this a hoax or what?

Below is a nice diagram of the Riccardo&Gerhardt incident.  I think (and I 
did at the time) that Riccardo made an incorrect assumption about Gerhardt's 
intentions.  After all, isn't J Hunt always going on about the disadvantage 
the following driver has because he has to wait for the guy in front to 
accelerate out of the bend before he can put the power down himself?  
Riccardo didn't wait long enough.... the diagram implies that Gerhardt lined 
up for pitting, Riccardo must have thought it was a weave to try to break 
the tow.



              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
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From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar/Nazareth:  "Style and grace" -- NOT!
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:07:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

The typical post race interview in the US is annoyingly
ingratiating - Mi. Andretti's wasn't in this case.

The 'my boys prepared the car great and I want to thank
K-mart etc etc' means very little to the true fan of racing
and conveys no information about the race.  IMNSHO.

Mi. Andretti did convey his viewpoint on a couple of things
that did IHNSHO affect the race.  Thus it was more interesting.

BUT ingratiation to the sponsors pays the bills.  Without
sponsors there would be little racing of any sort.

Therefore, give me ingratiation, I can always ignore its annoying
aspects after a couple of hours of entertainment.


Hugh
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From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde)
Subject: Re: Martinsville
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:46:06 GMT

In article <1a7f1sINNshd@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM (Shelley Frisch - Sun USOPS WSU Supplier Engineering) writes:
|> I went home for lunch and the race is still being delayed.
|> 
|> They do hope to get it in today though.
|> 
|> Shelley

The race got started around 3PM.  My problem is that I set my VCR to record from
10 to 4 :-(  Hope my roomate gets home soon to fix it.

I'm trying to get the current rundown.  This is what I have at lap 190:
	Elliot --- "it just quit running"  -- lotsa fluids and a caution so it looks
		like Bill is out early
	Earnhardt --- lost a pulley and a bunch of laps, then the rear went
		at one point was 45 laps down
	Irvan --- transmission - 69 laps down
	One lap down -- Mast, Mark Martin, Labonte, Kyle Petty, Rudd, DW, Gant.
	Two down -- Dale Jarrett, Jimmy Hensley, Mike Waltrip, Richard Petty and more

Leaders:  Rusty Wallace, Geoff Bodine, Brett Bodine, Morgan Shepherd, Sterling Marlin,
	 Dick Trickle (after an early spin), 
Allison and 2 others still in lead lap at 200 laps (I'm typing as I'm listening)
From: bitbug@netcom.com (James Buster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda to Indy?
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:31:58 GMT
Organization: Lynx Real-Time Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.164619.9169@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Now, name all the racing series that utilize methanol fuel, and
>I think you can deduce which direction Honda is going in racing.

NHRA TA/D and TA/FC? (just kidding:-)
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From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:01:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Was it just me, or did Al, Jr. sound rather upset in the pre-
race interview on ESPN?  It sounded to me like he didn't like the
idea of trying to win a championship in a development car.
 
Just an observation. Anyone else?

-- 

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From: francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Francis Vaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au
Organization: Adelaide Univerity, Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: heruka.cs.adelaide.edu.au

Perhaps just to add a litle more fuel to the fire I'll add
this.

Many will remember the '85 OZ GP. I remember better than most
since what I am about to relate happened right in front of me.

Senna, driving a Lotus in his second year in F1 was hounding Keke Rosberg
around the track.  The pit entrance is just before the hairpin that
takes you onto the start/finish straight.  Keke ran for the pits and Senna
hit his rear wheel, tearing off his front wing.  He continued to race.
Perhaps the pit wasn't ready for him on the next lap since he didn't pit, 
but driving with no front wing he didn't manage to negotiate the hairpin
the second time and ran right off the track to the point were he was no visible
under my stand.  He made it back onto the track again and got a new nose
next lap.

Rosberg went on to win the GP.  After the race Rosberg made a crack
about "brake testing" rookie drivers.  Whether he really did
deliberatly provoke the accident or whether it was a post hoc 
bit of humour we will probably never know.  The incident was almost
a carbon copy of Sundays incident, a few inches one way or the other
and Senna might have landed in my lap.  Senna only made contact with a 
wing, had the tires made contact it would have been a different story.

					Francis Vaughan
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Sauber (was: New F1 Awareness)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.122359.16322@hasler.ascom.ch>,
kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes in
response to an earlier article by me:

|> |> Of course, many people believe that Mercedes will re-emerge from their
|> |> current background role if -- or rather, as soon as -- the F1 Sauber
|> |> is reasonably successful.
|> 
|> Do you think he will be? The Ilmor engine and Karl Wendlinger/JJ Lehto
|> hardly sound like a winning combination, then again it is their first
|> season -  who knows?

For me, the yardstick to measure Sauber's success will be the performance
of Jordan-Ford in 1991:  If Sauber do as well in 93 as Jordan did in 91,
I'd consider this a success.  (Mercedes may have higher goals, though.)
IMHO, the chances that Sauber will be as successful as Jordan in 91 are
pretty good, even though Wendlinger and Lehto are not quite as experienced
as Gachot and de Cesaris were.  I think Lehto has shown promise last year
while Wendlinger has been doing very well in the first half of 92 in the
vastly underfinanced March team.  As for the Ilmor, I don't know. In any
case, the Ilmor-powered Tyrrells do not seem to be slower than last years
Honda V10 powered ones ...

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