HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Borg and Cyber-po
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 


MRB> In article <AeoUdmi00YUoRLDm9u@andrew.cmu.edu> Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andr
>Acutal
>(oops...Forgive my lack of an editor!) Actually, I was talking more about
>the RPG.  I'm not so worried about any lack of explanations, 'cause I agree
>with you when you say that they are given.  What bugs me is that they give
>absolutely no credit to the authors of cp who came up with all the ideas
>
MRB> I agree that for a RPG they should give credit to the originators.  
   > Once I was taking with some high school kids about the VR in Lawnmower Man
   > One kid saw "oh, like in Shadowrun".  I told him you shouldn't give credit
   > to Shadowrun for VR, cause VR was being done long before the game.  I woul
   > hate  to think a lot of high school kids like VR (or similiar CP-like stuf
   > originated from the RPG and not research people.

Who cares?  CP's a genre now, not a copyright-bound work.  Lots of people who
write CP don't credit anybody except Mom, Dad, and Aunt Lulu.  And
SR is a *game*, fercristesake.  Can we all move back onto the reality
bandwagon.

All flames blissfully accepted.


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Sperm is the only human cell with self-propulsion.
From: wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Post-cascades (was Re: U2)
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:32:01 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 9-Oct-92 Re: Post-cascades (was Re:
U2) by morpheus@entropy.mcds.co 
> > You poseurs.  I'm writing this message from the collection of little
> > sticks I keep inside my cave, near my fire.
>  
> I haven't even evolved enough to write.  So there.

You multi-cellular organisms think you're so talented!  Humbug!  Try
typing without any appendages...
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Misc stuff (was Re: Gibson, et all..
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:58:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Qep35SW00VpQM39Vp4@andrew.cmu.edu> "Daniel S. Efran" <de0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 3-Oct-92 Misc stuff (was Re:
>Gibson.. TJO@hardy.u.washington.e (4349)
>
>
>> In article <NP31RB3w165w@west.darkside.com> guru@west.darkside.com
>> (Guru) writes:
>> >
>> >More Gibson.  Anyone know anything about him writing the original 
>> >(unused) script for the flik alien (yes, the first one).  Appears that 
>> >they (studio types) didn't like it.
>
>> Well as far as I know he just did the aliens III script... although I could be
>> wrong.
>
>
>You are, slightly.  He started a script for Alien 3, but they didn't 
>like it and he never finished it.  He's NOT responsible for the film
>that actually came out, at all.  And he had nothing to do with the
>first film.
>
>	---Daniel Efran
>----------------------------------
>An it harm none, do as you Will.
>Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.

	No I have to disagree here (partly because you mis-understood me and
partly because you are incorrect). I was ob. not implying that A^3 was his 
script...thats why I said Aliens III ... and yes he did write a finished
script (or atleast a complete draft for the script) because I read it and
put a little bit about it in the FAQ.
From: aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Until the End of The World (Again)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 01:50:41 GMT
Organization: The Banzai Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

Jay_Daunheimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jay Daunheimer) writes:
: I just rented above mentioned film last night.
: Cool soundtrack. Wonderful HDTV dreams.
: It is Cyberpunk in my book.
: You should see it, makes you think.
: Its long. I thought it was ending about 5 times.
: Very romantic. Very moving.
: 
: 
: Possible Spoiler Question:
: 
: Do you think the cure for her addiction was a statement about television and
: literature?

Yes, most definitely.  I'm glad that someone posted about this film.  I saw
this in Atlanta while visiting over the summer and LOVED it.  I'll be
looking for it on vid around Milwaukee, now.


		      ____________________________________
			Steve J. White
			aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
			aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
			skeptic@large@9600bps
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: U2
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.002818.7422@panix.com> jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
>In <1992Oct7.205950.26640@news.ysu.edu> ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow) writes:
>
>
>I personally think that Information Society are a bunch of poseurs.  I
>think the Jesus and Mary Chain are more cyberpunk (as far as attitude
>goes) than they are.  same with Joy Division and New Order.....
>
>But I think Front 242 are -the- cyberpunk band....
>But this is only my humble opinion....

I agree....they are exremely cool. I esp. like the different types of crosshairs
they have on the >Tyranny< album. Close behind is Front Line Assembly. They 
turned in an awesome show last month...

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:24:49 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <2421.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com> wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)  writes:
>Re: your recent complaint about a psuvm post...
>
>Granted, the grammar and syntax were less than kosher (to put it
>mildly), but the contention was valid (IMHO): Sterling isn't a great
>writer.  He's accepted as a great CP author, but his style is sleepy.
>Walter Jon Williams and Gibson may have shortcomings, but they aren't
>sleepy.  Remember, this is a branch of SF - presentation is more
>important than "literature."  Hemingway could have written CP; Melville
>couldn't.
>
>Wendell Martin
>                          


I've got to disagree here.  If Melville were around today, Moby Dick
would have been a brilliant attack at the 'information society.'
Someone really should do to the specialists of our day, complete with
their unique subsets of the English language what Melville did to
the experts of his day. Assume their languages, assimilate their
authority, then expose their weaknesses.  No language or subset thereof
is capable of wholly containing the human experience.

In a way, I see hackers an modern day Ishmial's.  Actually, I may be
feeling a book coming on.

ratner
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Agrippa News
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:08:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)


	Gibson says that "Agrippa" hasn't been cracked yet because it hasn't
been *released*.  Sometime soon, I didn't get the date, there's apparently 
to be a party at The Kitchen, a performance art place in New York City,
where "Agrippa" will be read off a huge scrolling screen by Penn Jillette,
who will not have seen the text before.

	Disclaimer:  this is unauthenticated oral history--Gibson wasn't
reading from notes, and I wasn't taking any.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
From: bradw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Brad Wyble)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Snoswell's cyberterm
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:17:40 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

I recently read an article about one Mr. Michael Snoswell who has
developed Cyberterm, a product which uses existing phone lines to
transmit information about virtual reality constructs allowing Sun's
and PC's to interact in a VR mode.  He was supposedly located at: 
	snoswell@sirius.oz.au 
but I cannot find him there.  If anyone has information regarding his
location, please email me. 
 
					bradw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 09:02:22 -0400 
From: "Daniel S. Efran" <de0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Misc stuff (was Re: Gibson, et all..
	<1992Oct3.023428.13198@u.washington.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 3-Oct-92 Misc stuff (was Re:
Gibson.. TJO@hardy.u.washington.e (4349)


> In article <NP31RB3w165w@west.darkside.com> guru@west.darkside.com
> (Guru) writes:
> >
> >More Gibson.  Anyone know anything about him writing the original 
> >(unused) script for the flik alien (yes, the first one).  Appears that 
> >they (studio types) didn't like it.

> Well as far as I know he just did the aliens III script... although I could be
> wrong.


You are, slightly.  He started a script for Alien 3, but they didn't 
like it and he never finished it.  He's NOT responsible for the film
that actually came out, at all.  And he had nothing to do with the
first film.

	---Daniel Efran
----------------------------------
An it harm none, do as you Will.
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo mazzucchi)
Subject: information
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:31:06 GMT


hi 

i am max from Italy Milan

 i want know the address
 of cyber-net 
 
 Thanks for your help
 
 BYE 
 
 mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it    


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: rlr@panix.com (Richard L. Rosen)
Subject: Re: reality?
Summary: You got corporate control in my anarchy!... You got anarchy in my...
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:37:12 GMT
Organization: RLRCLC

In <cep9Wf600WBLQ5kKlF@andrew.cmu.edu> wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:
> > I agree...Anarchy for one is practically impossible, let alone anarchy
> > combined with it's polar opposite - oppressive industrialized
> > mega-zaibatsus... 
>     In most of the genre literature, the anarchy is limited to the
> denizens of the streets - the corporations control things on the
> worldwide scale, they simply do not constitute the focus of the
> literature.
>     Witness our world.  There is no reason to think that these two
> concepts cannot both exist.  Look at L.A. for anarchy...merge that with
> the undeniable fact that the power of corporations grows in this society
> with every passing day.

The dual notions of who holds the real power.  There's the government, of
whatever form, exercising the visible reins of control and order, but
ultimately not really in charge.  So the "real" power is said to be held by
1) the secret cabal that "actually" runs things (corporations, Freemasons,
Illiterati, Quadrilateral Committee, communist/Jewish/Rockefeller conspiracy),
whether it exists or not, and 2) the street people who actually interact with
the proles and act as suppliers of "illicit" goods and services for the people
(and ultimately for the ruling elite as well) and thus control a lot of the day
to day world for everyone.

In some schools of thought, the latter, with all their street anarchist
imagery notwithstanding, are actually part of the former.  (e.g., the ruling
elite makes drugs illegal in an effort to make them more popular and more
expensive, and works with distributors to line everyone's pockets and actually
enforce even greater control by both controlling supply AND creating the fear
that leads to more government restrictions)  In such a scenario, anarchy and
total repression live side by side, in perfect harmony.

Not that any of this is really new, but it breaks down into three theories of
social order.  The first says that power is held by a secret behind the scenes
cabal that really runs things.  The second says that the "real" holders of
power are the streetwise underground types.  The third says that both groups
are one and the same.  My own personal theory is that all these groups think
they have control, and exercise it to varying degrees to meet their ends, but
ultimately chaos rules, no one is really in charge, least of all those who
think they are.  The ones with the most degree of control are those who slip
between the cracks of both groups, with technical or other knowledge needed
by both sets of "masters", serving them whenever necessary, exploiting them
whenever possible.
-- 
"It's not an idea for a film, it's my actual life."   Rich Rosen  rlr@panix.com
From: moon!cyberden!verge@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: STUFF!
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 21:06:05 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Cyberfolks,
Hey, there, all you electronically charged monks of the CRT monastery, 
priests (okay, okay, nuns and priestesses) of the Virtual Churchyard, 
Verge here--nubbie to the net but gonna be very annoying as I get to know 
my way around. Seems I read this post of someone wantin' a video-list of 
Japanime cyberpunk. Here's my squirt:  Black Magic M-66, Metal Skin 
Panic, Goku (Midnight Eye), AKIRA, Bubble Gum Crisis, Appleseed, Venus 
Wars, Crusher Joe, Labyrinth Stories (the racer segment's been making the 
MTV rounds of late), VOTOMS, and a hell of a lot more that have slipped 
the brain cells. Of course with Anime the best is check out box art, see 
if it meets your criteria and view and see.
--oh, and if you're into Steampunk, check out Laputa, and the upcoming 
NEW Giant Robot--
My personal faves fall more into splatter, rather than cyber: 
Supernatural Beast City, BAOH, pink noise, Guyber, et all.
Plug: for the rest of you Mohawks and Implants, check out Wender's "Till 
The End Of The World" for fun/innocent/European punk. Also, dumb but fun 
"Split Second", Aeon Flux on MTV's "Liquid Television", and Innovation 
comics (Wetworks, Cyberforce, Wild CATS), "Lazarus and the Virtual 
Churchyard" (and you were wondering where I got that from), and even 
(agast) "Spiderman 2099".
Any other recommendations, suggestions, comments, chemicals?


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Subject: Re: The *best* person to read _Agrippa_ aloud
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:59:34 GMT

In article <1bevanINN184@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel) writes:
>
>The *best* person to read _Agrippa_ aloud would be
>
>	Jim Carroll

I vote for Bob Dylan.

-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  LOTFB: Lying On The Floor Bleeding
             
(I didn't write the above.  I left my terminal unattended, and the janitor 
sat on it.)
From: Loring Wirbel <lwirbel@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: 08 Oct 92 13:59 PDT
Subject: VPL Research trouble?
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1300100011:000:258
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lwirbel    Oct  8 13:59:00 1992


Subject: VPL
So is VPL Research in dire straits?  Many rumors of employees not getting
paid, new venture money maybe not materializing, lots of funny stuff?
Will Silicon Graphics come to the rescue the way they did for MIPS?
Loring Wirbel
loring@igc.apc.org

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: Re: "Cyberpunk breakins" (was: re: Gibson)
Organization: Industrial Cybernetics
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 22:50:08 GMT

Hackers are like cockroaches. You'll never get rid of them.

Ice()
From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Review: Hacker Crackdown
Keywords: Sterling,Crackdown,Small furry rodents
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:53:07 GMT
Organization: UB

viable distribution rights?  The whole fucking copyright concept is hitting
the fan with the advent of mass-distributed e-media.

Give it up.  If it's out there already, people ain't gonna pay.
It's not a question of 'information should be free', it's a matter of 
'information will be free' - now what are you going to do about it?

We can't hold back progress, even though it'd be nice to find ways for
people to make money off of their intellectual property.  How the hell
do you do it?

-Brian, who got a printout of Crowley's magick without tears today, and
 dumped LSD, my problem child, to magentic media, and wasn't the only
 one to do this in the last hour... two more books 'liberated', when will
 the rest of the library come down...
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Judge Dredd
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:49:46 GMT
Distribution: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <1992Oct9.192047.10576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jhochman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joshua M Hochman) writes:
|> :
|> 
|>   Has anyone read the comic book "Judge Dredd" or "2000 ad"?  These British 
|> comic books deal with a futer "cyberpunk" type world, but I think that it is 
|> not totally based on the cyberpunk genre...It deals mostly with the law force, 
|> called judges in the futuristic "MegaCity-1" which is like New York, but the 
|> size of the whole East coast of the united states.  For anyone interested in 
|> cyberpunk, witha  little twist, this comic book is for you, althought the older
|> ones put out by Eagle comics are the best.....check 'em out.  Psi-police, 
|> cybergangs, robots, big guns, crime....EVERYTHING!  A really interesting 
|> setting.
|> 

You are right to say that Dredd isn't totally based on the cyberpunk genre
because he probably predates most of it. He was certainly around a good few
years before Neuromancer anyway. I know many of you will quote titles of
`cyberpunk' books years before Neuromancer but it wasn't until this book
that there was anythink like a `cyberpunk genre', and I was reading 2000AD
when I was about 12 I think. I'm a little older than that now :-) I wouldn't
be surprised if this comic had some influence on cyberpunk (especially
anything British), just as cyberpunk has had a big influence on 2000AD.

			Rob.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
|                       | Rob Ingram                                          |
|  "Hang loose kid!"    | University of Nottingham                            |
|                       | Department of Computer Science                      |
|                       | Nottingham, UK.                                     |
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd)
Subject: Re: Effector 3.06
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:48:41 GMT

In article <1015338.2AD17298@cmhgate.fidonet.org>
Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson) writes: 
|I got the Effector 3.06 with Stearlings articale in it.
|I would post it her but I need a DOS version of Split...
|Anyone know where I can find one??
|
|                       Bret Johnson
|--  
|Bret Johnson via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH
|UUCP: ...!n8emr!bluemoon!cmhgate!1110.1!Bret.Johnson
|INET: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG

If people can read this group than they most likely have access to
comp.org.eff.news and comp.org.eff.talk, where you could also find
it...If the article has been cancelled, then pick it up from
ftp.eff.org (when it gets there)....If you don't have ftp access than
subscribe to SF Eye, Steve Brown's great SF mag, the forum in which
the article initially appeared (Bruce Sterling writes a regular
column)... 

Re-posting it here is a waste....If people are really interested than
they'll get it....

--
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From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:04:50 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM


	Grace Jones as Molly.  Yah.
	Or Linda Hamilton.

	The Laughing Priest!

"Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy!"  -Lord John Whorfin
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: Eat me cyberweenies
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:39:43 GMT

	Get a fucking life, you TOTAL dweebs!  You can't POSSIBLY
	get enough alcohol in your blood as we have at this moment!
Don't listen to him . he's drunk. Listen, we were punks when you were still
swimming around in your daddies balls.  He is sitting next to me laughing
hysterically.  He is a typical Irish Bastard incapable of coherent thought.
We just came back from a concert that touched the gonads of our lord the
deity of microchip erectile implants.  Try one ... they're MAGIC!!!!

	If you are capable of imbibing a 40 ounce bottle of Jamieson's
	Whisky ... then you are able to soar with THESE eagles!!  Now
	for some TEA!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen you cyber-dicks, Gibson was a fun trollup, but where is the real violence
in you lot. If you really wanted to be cyberpunks you would be into ultravilonece
Jessus, mary and Joseph, James has found my extra-large bottle of Elmers Schools
glue, I must save him, excit stage left cyber-girlie-men. 

n
n
nListen cyber-dicks, Gibsi
n
	Lisa

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: angus@well.sf.ca.us (Angus P. MacDonald)
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:13:48 GMT


I find it amazing that you people think Melville's boring. But then, I also
find it incredible that no one ever mentions how much _Moby Dick_ is leavened
with wide-open humor, sarcasm, and even slapstick. It is, among other things,
a very funny book.

Angus MacDonald           angus@well.sf.ca.us
Box 561, Concord, California, USA, 94522-0561
From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Agrippa News
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:10:03 GMT
Organization: UB

houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:


>Actually - it makes more sense than you think... Penn Jillette has done
>stuff on a non-jokey level... He has a long relationship with the
>Residents and Ralph Records (he hosted their 10th anniversary show
>way back in '82), and, if I'm thinking right, had something to
>do with 50,000........000 Watts Records. This guy is more than
>a practical joker...!

Youcall a long relationship with the Residents DOING STUFF ON A NON_JOKEY
LEVEL?!?!?!?!

Now, granted, 50skiddillion watts is a more serious undertaking, but the
Residents are humor on a grand scale..

                     -Brian