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From: jimp@cognos.COM (Jim Patterson)
Subject: Re: HP-3000/MPE/HP-UX Box
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:48:31 GMT

tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener) writes:
: Hello all. I am an old HP-3000 MPE person. I am interested in finding an
: inexpensive MPE box. I mostly come from an HP-3000/48/70/etc...
: I am not familiar with the HP models that run both MPE, and HP-UX. But I
: am told they exist.

I think you've been misled. HP sells two different computer series
based upon the same chip technology (HP-PA), these being the HP
9000/8xx or 7xx (running HP-UX) and the HP 3000/9xx (running MPE/iX, a
32 bit implementation of MPE/V). However these are in fact two
separate computer systems. As I understand it you can't run HP-UX on a
HP3000/9xx or run MPE/iX on a HP9000/8xx, because of differences in
the peripheral equipment (e.g.  the terminal controllers).

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From: mor@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Mor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: CD-DRIVE question
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:22:30 GMT
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

I have an HP APOLLO 730 workstation on my desk.  I have a 
CD drive mounted on the system, and I was wondering if there
is a way I can listen to music CDs using the computer.

I once had access to a DEC workstation that let me listen
to CDs.  An X Window application let me start, stop, and
select tracks.  I plugged my headphones into the cd-drive,
and it was pretty cool.  If I can do the same with my HP,
I would be very happy.

Thanks for any info,
  Ralph
From: kempf@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: <None>
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:55:58 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

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From: mark@roissy.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Problem with hp laser II
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:43:19 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <6854@tivoli.UUCP> stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel) writes:
>|> 	to it at once, it looks to me that the line somehow dropping the
>|> 	baud rate to 300 then reset back to 9600 before spooling to the

>
>Serial ports in HPUX, when not attached to a running process are set
>(but the OS) to 300 baud.  And the laserjet will see that.

>lp  ::off:nohup sleep 999999999 </dev/lp & stty 9600 </dev/lp

I've seen this is lots of SYSV based machines-- they all seem to have
this problem, but this solution looks like a quick hack that covers over
some other problem.  

It looks to me like the real problem is that the XXclose routine for the
terminal is changing the baud rate BEFORE the output is drained.  If the
close() system call would block until the output queue drained, and THEN
set the baud rate back to the default, everything would work correctly,
right?

Mark S.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To)
Subject: Chfn error
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:08:24 GMT

Hi there,

Would anyone pls advise why I get the error "chfn: audswitch: Not owner"
when invoking "chfn" ?  I'm using hp9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

Regards,

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From: S_BOTSCH@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Botsch Kai)
Subject: quad module for hp 41C wanted
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:37:38 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

does anybody out there where i can get a quad ( Rm) module for an old hp
41c?
(in germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>It's great that it's going to change :)  Seriously though, on an economic
>point, what about litigation ?

You are asking a software guy a legal question.  I am not qualified to
answer.  I think HP covers its legal and moral obligations in these
matters.

The lawyers would make a lot of money and I don't think it would solve
the technical problem.

Perry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dougd@fc.hp.com (Doug Drees)
Subject: Re: Building HP Kernals
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:22:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

: 
: I expect that the parameters might have actually been changed, but that the
: way SAM gets them from the kernel was fooled by how you rebuilt the kernel.
: 
: 
: Bret

Bret is correct.  SAM executes "/system/TOOL/get_kdfile /hp-ux" to retrieve
the dfile used to build the kernel and then parses.  The method described
in the base note modified conf.c without also modifying the image of the
dfile found near the end of that file.  

As for whether SAM retrieves the correct values for kernel parameters,
it retrieves the values used to build the kernel (unless the kernel was
built using the proceedure listed in the basenote).  The values
returned by monitor are accurate for tunables that are static and do not
change as time goes by.  Some parameter settings are special values that
mean "use the best value".  SAM might display something like "0" or "-1"
and monitor would show the current value as the kernel has set.

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From: allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Need Restricted FTP
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:07:17 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Dec11.173941.25609@unison.com>, jk@unison.com (Joseph Konton) writes:
...
> In my reading of the manual, it indicates that an anonymous user is 
> limited to the directory structure /users/ftp, and that the user is
> chrooted such that that directory appears to be the root directory.
> 
> I'd like to be able to do this for our customer so that they can only
> access the files and directories that we wish them to have access to.

here's how to do restricted ftp:

set up anonymous ftp first (as decribed in ftpd(1m)).
in the ~ftp/etc/passwd file (under the anonymous ftp directory)
make a login account and password.  keep in mind that this file will be used
after we have chrooted, so / means ~ftp.  leave the shell field blank.
make the home directory, and it can be mode 700 (or whatever you want).
make sure to chown the directory to the correct uid.

the remote restricted user logs in with anonymous ftp first, then enters
the ftp command "user".  this requests a login and password
(which is looked up in the ~ftp/etc/passwd file) and the user
is logged in normally, but still inside the anonymous ftp area.

not an official response.
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From: martins@hpl.hp.com (Henrique Martins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP HIL, audio, & video extensions
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:25:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

In article <Bz9uqx.y7@irvine.com> jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet) writes:

>  Can anyone tell me what comes with an HP 46082B "30 meter remote
>  extension with audio and RGB video cables"?  It's under the heading of
>  HP-HIL Cables and Extensions.  Is this just cabling?  Or does it come
>  with some kind of video driver box?  (That's sort of implied by the
>  fact that you can delete remote and RGB cables, but who really knows?)

#include <std/disclaimer>

  I think this is a set of long RGB cables, long HP-HIL cables, long audio
cable, and two HP-HIL boxes.


  -- Henrique (martins@hpl.hp.com)
From: mintz@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Ken Mintz)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:08:57 GMT
Subject: Re: non-root mount
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> Does anyone know how to have non-root users use the mount command
> as more and more users have their own cd-rom connected to their
> workstation ?

  After some private interactions with Derko, the problem was in the 
  implementation of his mountcd script.  An easy misunderstanding, as
  you will see from my response below.

> $ cat /usr/local/bin/mountcd :
> if [ $# -ne 1 ]
>   [...]

  Aha!  Now this is all coming back to me.  I went down the same path of
  confusion that you are on a long time ago.

  [...]

  [T]he problem is that we need to put "#!/bin/ksh" in the first line
  of the script.  `chmod u+s /etc/mount` works because /etc/mount is a
  program, not a script.

  [...]

  The explanation appears in the ksh(1) man page.  However, the structure
  of the paragraph is poor, so it is not very clear.  (I missed it the
  first time I read it long ago.)

  Find the "Execution" description.  Under there is a paragraph like:

    "The shell parameter PATH defines the search path for the directory
     containing the command.  Alternative directory names are separated by
        [...]
     script file, which is a file of data for an interpreter.  If the first
     two characters of the script file are #!, exec (see exec(2)) expects
        [...]
     parameters are removed in this case.  If the shell command file does
     not have read permission, or if the setuid and/or setgid bits are set
     on the file, the shell executes an agent to set up the permissions and
        [...]"

  It is not obvious (I think), but the sentence about setuid __depends__ on 
  the sentence about "#!".  That is, everything (?) below the "#!" sentence
  applies __only__ to "#!" scripts.

  [...]

-- Ken Mintz

DISCLAIMER:  This response does not represent the official position of, or
statement by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  This response is provided for
informational purposes only and is supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: Frank Hoffmann <fh.pad@sni.de>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Need Restricted FTP
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:27:18 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: fam168.ap.pdb.sni.de
Keywords: restricted ftp

jk@unison.com (Joseph Konton) writes:

>My company has a need to provide ftp service to a customer in order to
>exchange files with them.

>In my reading of the manual, it indicates that an anonymous user is 
>limited to the directory structure /users/ftp, and that the user is
>chrooted such that that directory appears to be the root directory.

>I'd like to be able to do this for our customer so that they can only
>access the files and directories that we wish them to have access to.

>Anonymous ftp is not a suitable solution as we do not want just anyone
>to have access to these files.

>Is there a way to accomplish this?  Perhaps a customized version of the ftp
>daemon?

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The best you probably can do, is to get a copy of the ftp-demon and hack it
to your needs.

Check wuarchive for that. If you don't find anything, email me.

ff
frank

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From: v_rao@mothra.vssi.trw.com (Vineeta Rao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: C library file
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:33:47 GMT
Organization: TRW Vehicle Safety Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mothra.vssi.trw.com

I am looking for a C library file called libC.sl. It is not available on our HP 9000/7xx. I wander if any one has it available on their HP and I could get a copy of this library. I need it to run a software - mathcad. You can semd a email to me at the following address: v_rao@vssi.trw.com
Thanks.
Vineeta Rao
From: pearmana@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Andy Pearman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP730 and NFS
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:21:03 GMT
Reply-To: pearmana@prl.philips.co.uk
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK


We have an HP730 running HP-UX 8.07
How can I fix this:

I can telnet to another node on Ethernet - no problem.
If I then pull the Ethernet plug (thin) out of the back of the HP730
for about 30 seconds and then plug it back in again, I can no
longer telnet to anything.
I get the message:

telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

which is a bit misleading cos the node I am telnetting to is
on the same logical network and is the same node that was 
working prior to pulling out the cable.  Anyway, netstat says 
that all the routing information is correct and re-doing any 
route statements (not that any are needed in this case) doesn't 
fix the problem.
I am trying telnet, but I get the impression that nearly all
IP based services have stopped working in one way or another.

Rebooting the system seems to be the only way to get it working
again.

Any other system would jump back into life when you put the plug
back in.

    Andy

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From: lampi@halcyon.com (Michael Lampi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP Apollo 9000 Series 715/33, 715/50
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:51:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: nwnexus.1992Dec13.225135.606
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505

paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:

>In article <1470005@hpugrca.GRC.HP.COM> eerhan@hpugrca.GRC.HP.COM (Erol Erhan) writes:
>>
>>the HP 9000/715 can have a EISA card and a Network connector together.
>>You only have to specify if you want a BNC or a AUI connector.
>>Second HP-HIL stands for Human Interface Loop and is the keyboard (mouse)
>>connection mechanism.
>>
>Almost.  I just got the new configuration guide today.  Seems that both 715's
>and the 725/50 only come with an AUI network connector.  If you want to tap
>into a ThinLAN net, you need to buy an external transceiver -- $175 from HP...

Or $85 from third parties .....:-)

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From: justin@nx20.mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: Re: Where are the X headers?
    <TML.92Dec15001816@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx20.mik.uky.edu!justin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:14:46 GMT

In <TML.92Dec15001816@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:

>Why can't HP salesmen be educated to ask the customers whether they
>intend to do any software development, and sell the necessary optional
>software, so people won't have to ask the net once a day where the
>ANSI C compiler, X headers, etc are...?

  Would it really matter? You don't get everything you need with the development
option anyway.. HP really does need to get their act together.. I mean, IBM
has included GL with their RS/6000s for a long time now, and HP hasn't even
Sannounced one! I have all this great hardware (soon to be a whole lot 
better when I go from a 750 to 755), but it's not much good when it runs
poorly put together pieces of HP system software. 
  Mind you, the software is just fine (for the most part.. The 8.0x family
is/was awfully buggy though..), but all the right pieces aren't in place
to hold the jigsaw puzzle together. No STREAMS or a full complement of X
stuff? What were they thinking!? That would be lie Novell selling NetWare,
but you have to provide your own protocol! <grrrr> 

From: cary@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Cary Coutant)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:15:12 GMT
Subject: Re: problems with setjmp(3C),longjmp(3C)
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: hurf@boa.graphics.cornell.edu (Hurf Sheldon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: D1187A Monitors with 72HZ Snakes?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:56:00 GMT
Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Display, monitor, multisync

	We have an animation/display environment that depends on
	a 60hz 835 display and, now, a 72hz 700 display. Will
	the D1187A work with both sync rates? Is there a reason
	I wouldn't want to use this monitor?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dansl@aud2.aud.auc.dk
Subject: ftam
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:59:48 GMT

Hej out there !

Have anybody any experience whith configuring ftam on a
hp 9000 machine running HP-UX 8.02. Both configuration at
CLNS/802.3 and CONS/X.25.

We have some difficulties - so please E-mail me, if you have managed
to configured it. Maybe you could send me your configuration files
for OTS (OSI Tranport Services) and FTAM .


Thank you in advance

Niels Skovgaard Larsen

System-manager Dansk MobilTelefon I/S
Phone +45 99 36 71 44  Fax 99 36 70 70
Denmark
From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: bus error problems, how to solve?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:48:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In comp.sys.hp, holger@spider.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Holger Busse) writes:

> Hello HPNetters,
> does anybody have some information how to search for the origin of
> bus errors, that occur when executing programs.

As pointed out in a previous response you are looking for a bad address
usage, most likely due to an alignment issues.  If you happen to wander
into an I/O mapped region of the memory map (like a framebuffer) you can
also produce bus errors.

If your code can generate the bus error when compiled debuggable, then
xdb can be used to locate the point of the offense (by executing in
xdb it will break at the point of code which generated the bus error).
If debuggable code does not produce the error, then this is a clue that
an uninitialized variable/pointer is to blame (using debuggable code
has a tendency to implicitly initialize these variables to "nice" values
like zero).

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From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Subject: Logging info
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:39:15 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

My old colleagues at the department of theoretical physics recently
added a few NeXt stations to their HP network.  Last night some thieves
broke into their office and stole one NexT.  They want to know if there
is any way that they can find out, on their 720, the time when the NeXt
was stolen.  I told them to poke around in /usr/adm and in other log
files.

Any other, more clever ideas?  E-mail answers would be highly appreciated.
The quicker the better (for them and the police)...

Bo
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From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: clusters
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:04:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

These days, the term "cluster" can have at least two definitions...

The first is the "classic" definition - the one that involves HP's
discless solution. This has already been mentioned in the string...

The second is the "new" definition - the one that involves "cluster
computing" where jobs are farmed-out to different systems and such.
The HP/Convex "stuff" ;-) falls under this definition.

It is important to be specific as to the context...

...and I thought it was hard to remember what "supported" meant for HP
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) 

rick jones
these opinions are mine, all mine, HP wouldn't want them anyway...
From: allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Problem with hp laser II
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:18:46 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com

In article <6954@tivoli.UUCP>, stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel) writes:
> Well, that would be true if a single process was sending data to the printer.
> But SYSV print spooling is a conglomeration of shell scripts, with a cat
> somewhere in the middle.  If a program were responsible to get the file,
> set up the printer and send the data, the close() would work.  But if
> you have a script that:
> 
> echo "some control char's to setup the printer"
> cat file
> echo "some more control char's"
> 
> It's hard not to get the 300baud spikes.

except for the fact that there is only one model shell script called
for each printer (in /usr/spool/lp/interface/<printername>), and it 
is called with the printer device file opened as stdout, so what you're 
suggesting as a problem doesn't exist.

there is no "last close" anytime within the model script. the script
can set the baud rate to whatever it wants without fear that it will
change during its' execution.

not an official response.
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