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From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Subject: Haynes fined
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

       It was reported on BBC Sports Roundup that Haynes was fined for his
behaviour after he was given out. I find it utterly rediculous decision after
watching the dismissal and what Haynes did on the field. He felt that he was
not out (there was no edge but the ball only hit the pads - would have been his
feeling) and pounded his bat on the pitch on his way. THere does not not seem
to have been any altercation as far as the TV pictures went. Can somebody from
Ozland give more details about the incident. If what was shown on TV was the
only 'behaviour unbecoming of a cricketer' for which he was fined by Donald
Carr - my feeling is that some of the ICC referees are going too far - like
Peter Burge in Hamilton fining Pak team for slow over rate. BTW, is there any
recourse to appealing the referee's decision?


K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail k.srao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

Department of Electrical Engineering
Fargo, ND 58105  USA

Phone:  (701)237-7217  (o)
        (701)235-9912  (h)

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From: rcodk@catt.citri.edu.au (David Kershaw,Networks+Comms)
Subject: Re: Lara's Score
Reply-To: rcodk@catt.citri.edu.au
Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:59:23 GMT

In article 24714@utagraph.uta.edu, asif@mecad.uta.edu (Asif Mohammed) writes:
>Hi,
>   Can someone post Lara's score in the drawn WI/AUST test match.
>Also throw some light on Gavsker's and Border's Test averages.
>                                                         Thanx 

Lara's score was 277 before being run out - second highest score at MCG after a 287 in 1903.

Border's average was quoted as 52.08 about halfway through his innings in the last test, thus you would expect to be just on or under the 52 mark.


David

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David Kershaw                              Internet: rcodk@citri.edu.au
Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, RMIT.
Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute (CITRI)
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

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From: dv@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Deepak Vaidya)
Subject: Re: Performance of Kiran More
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:54:45 GMT

I guess what I was trying to point out is that the whole team is doing bad
right now, but Ravi Shastri and Kiran More are always blamed for the problems.
Yes, if More is not good enough drop him, but also look at rest of the team
when making the decision.

I should have also pointed out that I am biased towards Kiran, because he
was my coach when I played in India at Baroda.  

- Deepak
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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Pak-NZ D4 - NZ 88/8, 39 runs to win
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 01:18:51 GMT

Jones  c Mujtaba b Waqar   19   Good sharp slip catch, well held by Mujtaba
Parore c Rashid b Wasim    13   Earned the penalty reserved for flashers
Latham b Waqar              0   Stumps flying - blood and thunder stuff
Rutherford c Sohail b Wasim 9   Caught at 2nd slip off outside edge
Harris b Waqar              9   Clean bowled - another inswinging yorker, maybe
Patel   n.o.                0

Fall of Wickets: 4/65,5/67,6/71,7/88,8/88

Wasim Akram 5/42, Waqar Younis 3/20

Waqar's 9th over of the morning. Wasim has bowled 8. They have bowled
unchanged since start of play, 1 1/2 hours ago.


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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Re: AZZA RETAINED
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:03:58 GMT

In article <C0pCpu.G3u@ns1.nodak.edu> ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu writes:
>
>     Azzaruddin is retained as Captain of the Indian team for the first three
>games against England. He will be reconsidered after that for the remainder of
>the England tour. It appears Kapil and Tendulkar were also considered for
>skippering the team. The team is not yet announced.
>

All I can infer from this is that the selectors think that Kapil and 
Tendulkar are the only two players who can be confident of remaining in the 
side regardless of their performance in the immediate future. (One can perhaps
add Prabhakar and Kumble to that list, but one bad series and ... who knows?).
It would be a terrible mistake to catapult Tendulkar to the captaincy at this 
stage. It's bad enough that he has to bear the burden of being the only 
(remotely) consistent batsman in the side, and therefore the most wanted 
wicket, but captain as well?

If Azhar is replaced in the near future, it may as well be by Kapil, since 
there is no long term captaincy prospect in sight. Kapil is far from a 
great captain, but he still has verve, is senior enough to face no dissension,
and basically plays without pressure these days.

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From: brad@hawk.adied.oz.au (Bradley Edelman)
Subject: Re: PK NZ D2
Organization: Australian Defence Industries
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:39:28 GMT

awil2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Andrew James        Willmott       ) writes:

>Now can you explain the Oilers reference? (I do know they're an American
>Football team.)

Super Bowl playoffs on the weekend.  Houston Oilers were leading Buffalo Bills
35-3, but Buffalo came back to win.  Great fight back!

Brad.
From: bhandarkar@wrksys.enet.dec.com (Dileep Bhandarkar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Nine Lefthanders in a test match
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:03:26 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan12.141656.9255@sco.com>, news@sco.com (News admin) writes...
> 
>Reading about the small number of left-handers in 
>Indian test teams, I remembered that in a test against
>Australia is 1959-60, there were nine left-handers
>in the two teams.  Here are the names:
> 
>Australia			India
>---------			-----
>Harvey				Contractor
>Mackay				Nadkarni
>Davidson			Durrani
>Meckiff				Ramchand (capt)
>Kline
> 
>Anyone know of >5 left-handers in a test team?
> 
Ramchand was right-handed. India might have had 5 lefthanders sometime
in the 60's. Contractor, Surti, Durrani, Wadekar, and Nadkarni may have
been on the same team together.

Dileep
From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi)
Subject: Re: NZ v Pak, it's all over
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:55:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.144742.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> Well it's all over now - Patel bowled by Waqar for 3. NZ all out for 93. Thank
> goodness Pakistan's batsmen did not fire in this mini-tour as their bowling
> attack is the best I've ever seen.
> 
> Alan
> 

Could you elaborate on that a bit, Alan? You must have seen Thommo and
Lillee bowl and perhaps the WI quartet. What about Hadlee and X, for
any X? The reason I ask is that one seldom sees both Waqar and Wasim
taking wickets at the same time: usually it is one or the other. I
wonder what it was like to face/see the duo firing from both ends. 

	--SAN
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From: mkulkarn@uceng.uc.edu (Mangesh Kulkarni)
Subject: SA vs India !!!
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:38:38 GMT

hi folks, what is happening to indian batting and bowling?   I think it it time
for Indians to stop playing cricket for 1/2 years and rebuild the team 
by allowing young talent to come forward.


mangesh kulkarni 
mkulkarn@uceng.uc.edu
From: XSNAIK@FULLERTON.EDU (Sanjay Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA vs. India, end of 4th. day
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:03:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Surprisingly, nobody's posted the SA/India score. I just phingered Pieter's
plan:

SA: 376 (?)
    48/2 off 33 overs @1.45

India: 276 (Tendulakar 73) off 136.4 overs @2.02

You'd think India were one up in this series when you look at the scoring
rate. Infact, this series has been consistent in slow scoring. Batting
totals have been modest - rare for any team to score more than Lara !


Bye,

Sanjay Naik (Totally dejected and hoping for something fresh
             against England).
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: What does Maninder have to do?
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:45:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1ihoo6INNqqv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> gupta_sn@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sandeep N Gupta) writes:

>I wonder, what more should a person do to show that he is in form?

Do well against the touring team in a first class match perhaps...?

Mahesh.
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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Pak-NZ D4 - NZ 65/4
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:24:37 GMT

Jones  c Mujtaba b Waqar   19
Parore n.o.                12

NZ 65/4. Past the halfway stage, but just lost another wicket.


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From: sidiyus@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Srikkant (was Re: A few reports/rumours from India
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:41:32 GMT

In article <karnik.726607872@myria> karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)  
writes:
> In <1993Jan9.061459.8362@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) writes:
> 
> >	I hope that we don't pick Srikkanth again. He's never had a great
> >test record and a century against Goa is irrelevant. He got onto the Oz
> >tour partly because he scored some double ton against a weak opposn.  
and the
> >South selectors really pushed for his selection. His performances in Oz  
were
> >disappointing. Ofcourse Srikkanth was a tremendously entertaining  
batsman and
> 
> 	Agreed. Srikkanth is a no-no as far as Tests are concerned.
> But, to repeat, in a home series, it isn't inconceivable that the
> selectors will experiment with him as ODI opener. Personally, I think
> it's unlikely, but if he keeps making runs, who knows? Also, his ODI
> performance in Australia was quite impressive.
> 
> 

	You know, I used to say the exact same thing - that our batting  
line up was long enought that we could afford to have Srikkant open in the  
ODI's on the off-chance that he'd come off ( hah ! misplaced 

> >much loved by the Indian supporters because of his big hitting just  
like
> >Kapil. These days all you have to do to become popular with The Indian  
fans
> >is to strike a couple of big blows every now and again and fans will  
love
> >you for evermore, even if you're a pretty ordinary player. Look at  
Sidhu, 
> >I think Neeran Karnik dreams about him at night. Only kidding, Neeran  
:)
> 
> 	Aaaargh! No, no, please, not even in jest :-> Again, Sidhu is
> in the Board Pres. side playing England, so this may be his chance to
> get back. The likelihood of Sidhu making a comeback is IMHO higher than
> that of Srikkanth.  Sidhu still has a few years left in him, but then,
> he's not been doing anything extraordinary in the Ranji games.... I
> would go for Bhave as the opener for Tests with Shastri, and with
> Jadeja/Raman for ODIs. He is in good form, and we desperately need a
> solid opener.....
> 
> 
> 	More about domestic performers in another post....
> 
> 
>       
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
>      | Neeran M. Karnik | #2 fan of Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar on r.s.c.   
:-> |
>      | Dept. of CompSci.| "Welcome to r.s.c.,                               
|
>      | U of Minnesota   |  where jingoism rules the netwaves" - McBean  
:-> |
>       
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From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Performance of Kiran More
Date: 9 Jan 1993 06:04:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

Deepak V. writes:
 
I donot know why every time India fails in a test match or odi, the Indian
nettor's always want Ravi Shastri and Kiran More's head on a chopping block.

I have a question about how many nettor's have ever kept wickets?  I can
tell you it's not easy.  The keeper is probably the most active player on
the field,...


I agree with you that ravi shashtri does not deserve the bashing he gets
on rsc. As far as More is concerned, I think he has to go.

It seems to me that More has become a batsman who can keep wickets as opposed
toa wicket-keeper who can bat. More is fine for the one-day games but 
India needs a specialist keeper for the 5 day test matches.
Missing a stumping or dropping a catch can cost a hundred runs and the
match.
Relying on More to save the side with his batting is stupid.
Thats the job of the #1,2,3,4&5 batsmen. As long as azhar stays as Captain
the side is going to suffer. Shashtri should be captain and should
bat at number 5. Azhar shou;ld stay in the side as a batsman as should
manjrekar. Find a real keeper.

Vaseee
From: spsisira@sgife5 (Sisira Y. Jayasinghe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: An Offensive Posting........?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:33:26 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
> Mukesh Kasanjee [074spock@witsvma.wits.ac.za] writes:

> >The Friendship Tour is over. Thank Goodness !
>  
> >India lost the one days 5-2 and the Test Series 1-0.
>  
> >There has been many excuses given as to why India did so bad on this tour:
> >They dont play day-night games back home; The pitches are too fast here in
> >SA as in Australia, they were not used to it; The Batsmen were off form;
> >etc. etc. etc. etc.
>  
> >I'm surprised England gave them a tour ! They should try and beat
> >Sri Lanka first, get their act together, before thinking of touring
> >here in SA again.

> This posting is an insult to Sri Lankan cricket team  and fans.  In his
> acceptance speech (Democratic party) then Presidential candiate Clinton 
> also made a similar(!) remark.   

> Sri Lankan team is not *that* low.  Ask New Zealanders about them. Just
> before the SA tour Indians almost lost to Zimbabwe.  That is enough for
> comparison.  Please leave Sri Lanka alone!

It doesn't bother me to read such comments. We (Sri Lankans) are used to
this kind of comments from everybody. And quite used to be in the bottom
of the pile.

But, as you rightfully pointed out Sri Lanka is slowly but surely comming
up.

> BTW, Lankan lads (U-23) make a trip to South  Africa soon.  Can someone 
>  (why not you Mukesh?) keep us updated?

I am looking forward to the coverage.


Sisira.

 
Sisira Jayasinghe                         sisira.jayasinghe@sdrc.sdrc.com
Sr. Technical Development Engineer
Structural Dynamics Research Corporation
2000 Eastman Dr. Milford OH 45150 USA
From: snehal@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Snehal Patel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Tendulkar for Captaincy??
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:20:20 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

This would positively be a certain way of destroying the career of the
most promising Indian bat (by pre-maturely mantling him as the captain
of the Indian team). Comments ??
x
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From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: bowling speed of waqa
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:19:03 EST

 KS> In article <C0EBno.1CD#acsu.buffalo.edu> sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU
 KS> (Muhunthan Sivapragasam) writes: >>
 >
 > these speeds were recorded in onedays, or testmatches ?
 >
 > 135 kmph = 84 mph. Jeff Thomson was recorded 99, and 91 mph

 srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
 KS> It was 89 and not 99 (kinda hard to believe the speeds achieved by the
 KS> baseball pitchers).

Well...  the thing is that the baseball pitchers (the fastest of the
"good" pitchers, eg Roger Clemens, Juan Guzman, etc.  hit 98 mph)
fling the ball straight.  The cricket bowlers have to use the
"wind-action" and also make the ball bounce.  So the small speed
differential is explainable. 

 KS> Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions

So are you at UofT? Same here!!! (but connected via CRS)...

Faraz Rabbani
Toronto, Canada

faraz.rabbani@canrem.com


... Blue Jays all the way in 1993
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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Where is Richardson?
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:07:44 GMT

	Apparently Richie Richardson is not playing against Australians
tonight (today?).  What happened to him?

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 09
Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:38:50 -0500 
From: Sujan Azad Parikh <sp48+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: More Ranji Trophy news

Bombay is in with a good chance of regaining the Talim Shield. They just
completed their final league match against Gujarat. Gujarat was defeated
with Abey Kuruvila taking a five wicket haul. Bombay gained 24 points
from the match. Maharashtra also play Gujarat in their last fixture.
They need about 22-24 points from the match. But with all their big guns
(Sugwekar, Bhave) away playing England, the task of defeating Gujarat
and winning the Talim Shield seems ominous.

Sujan Parikh



Bombay is the Best!!!!

 
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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Waqar and Wasim - Pace or Swing?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:38:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.094432@is.morgan.com> andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
>
>Are Younis and Akram pace bowlers or are they swing bowlers? These articles are
>showing the the two W's are bowling in the same range as true pace bowlers.
>
> ..... (Stuff about swing unlikely at high pace deleted)

>My question therefore is: Were Younis and Akram consitently bowling at this
>speed and were they swinging the ball? Was it late swing or not? 

I have never seen either Waqar or Wasim bowl, but ALL the reports I've read
about them (and various patches of live commentary from the BBC and Radio
New Zealand) indicate that what makes them particulary dangerous, and sets
them apart from other pace bowlers around today (e.g. McDermott, Ambrose),
is their ability to consistently swing the ball (often late) at very high
speeds. 

Of the two, Akram is apparently the one who can swing more often (Peter 
Roebuck recently wrote that Akram could achieve late swing with an orange),
whereas Waqar tends to be far more deadly in his second spell, with a 
slightly older ball. Perhaps this is because he bowls a little faster with 
the new ball (?). 

There was quite a bit of discussion on this subject on rsc during Pakistan's
tour of England. If I remember right, the thread was that Sarfraz Nawaz had
figured out how to make the old ball swing (though at lower speeds than Imran
and the W's), and imparted this secret to Imran, who then passed it on to Wasim
and Waqar. I remember Imran in the early '80s bowling monstrous late 
inswingers at around 85-90 mph (guess, since no one timed it) with the old 
ball. As with Waqar, the new ball didn't swing anywhere near as much for
him - his second spells were lethal though.
From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Re: Vinod Kambli
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:33:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.202013.22381@news.acns.nwu.edu> sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:
>
>	Well, maybe Iam being a little sensitive about this, but dont you
>think thats pretty harsh ?? I mean, Azhar has struggled as captain and may
>lose that, and hasn't been any great shakes in a few tests now, but he
>_has_ been India's BEST OD bat for the last 2 competitions ( topped both
>aggregate and averages for India in the WC, and topped aggregate and was
>2nd in the averages in the OD series in SA ). 

Sorry, I should have been a little clearer. I was really thinking of the Tests.
Azhar is without question a classy player when he's in form, but his Test
performances over India's last 10 Tests (Australia, Zimbabwe, and South
Africa) have been miserable, bar that brilliant ton at Adelaide. However,
as you rightly point out, he has done relatively well (at least, better than
the others) in the one-day game. But, if he doesn't get any Test runs, it
may be worth doing a "Dean Jones" to him - keep him in the one-day team,
but "rest" ("drop" indicates a permanence that IS too harsh for someone with
that much class) him for Tests .. at least for a spell. Actually, I think
that over the last two tours, Manjrekar's Test performances have been at 
least on par with Azhar, though Manjrekar is not really a one-day player at
all. I agree that if he plays ODIs, he should be asked to open.

Anyway, what I'm arguing is that keeping both Manjrekar and Azhar in the Test 
team is too much of a luxury if neither of them are scoring. And, since they 
have relatively comparable Test records over the last two tours, neither 
should be an "automatic" selection at this point.
From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Cricket Commentary Faux Pas
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:04:10 GMT
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan12.101549.597@schbbs.mot.com> TUK067@maccvm.corp.mot.com (David Wheeler) writes:
>gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes:
>
>Reminds me of another cracker during an England/WI Test some years ago,
>commentator (I think) Fred Trueman:
>
>         "And now the bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey..."
>
>David A. Wheeler, Motorola Ltd., Camberley, Surrey, England
>TUK067@maccvm.corp.mot.com

Wasn't that Brian Johnston (sp?), famous for many other such 
witticisms/freudian slips?

Cheers, Paul
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Shastri.....
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:47:49 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Since I did'nt see this on the net, I thought it would be a good idea to post..
Apparently, Shastri underwent surgery for a hernia. The injury occured during 
the final stages of the RSA tour. This came from The Times of India. It did'nt
make much sense to me because the news ietm was dated 18th or 19th of Dec - I
could ahve sworn he played after that day.
Anyone with more info? 

Sudhama
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: NZ v Pak, it's all over
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:47:42 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Well it's all over now - Patel bowled by Waqar for 3. NZ all out for 93. Thank
goodness Pakistan's batsmen did not fire in this mini-tour as their bowling
attack is the best I've ever seen.

Alan