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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:41:41 CDT
From:         Christopher Mark Conn <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
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              "THOMPSON%UCRVMS.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Apr 16, 92 12:41 pm

>
> >> I'd be interested to know what Jim Thompson thought of Ron
> >> Silver's performance in Enemies - A Love Story.  I thought his
> >> depiction of a man harried and harassed by his own deceits and
> >> devices was excellent.
>
>
> > Is that the same guy who wrote _The Grifters_ and _After Dark,
> > My Sweet_?
>
>
> No, you're thinking of Jim Thompson, 1906-1977, newspaper reporter
> and novelist, author of such immortal works as POP. 1280 and A
> SWELL LOOKING BABE.  If you think the movies are depressing, try
> the novels.  BAD BOY is autobiographical and is included in the
> three-novel book HARDCORE, which should still be in print.
>
> Jim Thompson, Fellow, The Molesworth Institute
>

Oh, I get it... he was talking about you, not Jim Thompson the writer!
*nevermind*

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:27:41 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Ron Silver

REPLY TO 04/16/92 02:59 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": ps to Reversal

Yes, I have my own private fan club just for Ron Silver -- I will go
see practically anything he is in.  Considering that he first gained
recognition as Valerie Harper's goofy, overbearing neighbor on the TV
show RHODA, he has certainly managed to steer his career in the right
direction.  His versatility is astonishing.  Yes, this is an actor
ripe for an oscar-winning role.  Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:53:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: Medieval films

One of my favorite medieval films is _Ladyhawke_ with Michelle Pfieffer,
Rutger Hauer.

                                Stephanie
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:12:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@WISCMACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Older films, finding videos

        I enjoy old films very much.  What peeves me is that
local video stores feel it is a sin or something to carry black
and white movies.  They would rather carry MEATBALLS III than
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT.  Does anyone else have this same problem,
or are they lucky enough to have a video store manager with
a working knowledge of what a good movie is.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
"I stick my neck out for nobody"
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From:         ICE9@GACVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Pet Sematary II?

> HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE COMMERCIAL KING DOES FOR AMERICAN LIBRARIES?

yes! it makes me wonder why he hasn't become a noted comic actor, he has the
face for it.

jim(ice9, not the other one.  Maybe i need a new sig)
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From:         Vincent <PUPSCVB@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Civil documentary

     The pbs documentarey on the civil war was incredible. it beats
any movie that i have ever seen. it was expertly done. i highly
recomend it to anyone but it is quite a long doc. there are
i think 9 one hour episodes. luckily a relative gave us a copy of
the entire series. it uses old photographs of the people and weapons
and so on.
From: rowhite@wrdis01.af.mil (Ronald D. White)
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Summary: Don't forget...
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:04:45 GMT
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		Don't forget "Barabbas" which is sure to be shown hundreds
	of times during the coming week!

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:19:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      medieval films

must be going nuts . . . mistakenly posted a version of this to the
literary list . . . must be that bug powder . . .  that durned Bill Lee,
anyway . . .

Yeah, Stephanie, i dig Ladyhawke too!

This list surely must include *The Name of the Rose* with Mr. Connery, though
i'd recommend reading the book instead if one hasn't--methinks the book is
the better treat, ultimately . . .

Michael McDonald

P.S. I notice that the original poster on this issue hails from the beautiful
city of Galway, where i'm going to have the privilege of hanging out for a
day or two in late June--any special recommendations would be much appreciated,
especially regarding music.  My e-mail address is <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Thanks.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:20:00 PST
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My all-time favorite example was the broadcast of Scarface (Al Pacino) --
the cocaine lord walking into a hale of machine gun fire shouting "You
wanna [fight] with me?  I'll [fight] with you!"

James Quinn
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:07:00 PST
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Subject:      New film?

Frank,
   Edward the Second was reviewed (mixed) by Siskel and Ebert this week;
it's based on the Marlowe play and, according to S&E, really an
allegory about present-day gay men.  It's updated and done in modern
dress.

   It's going into distribution now.

Jim thompson
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From:         "Caroline Sisneros, Mgmt Lib." <ECZ5BCS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stone, Scorsese, Allen

> Caroline, i just don't think that this distinction between Stone presenting
> his point of view as THE TRUTH and Scorsese and Allen somehow *not* doing
> this holds up.  I never get the impression from Scorsese and Allen that
> they do not think that they are presenting the truth of their experience.
> Aren't these filmmakers honored precisely because they *do* have a knack
> for getting at certain truths?
>
> Again, i think that you and Peter are simply not paying sufficient attention
> to the sorts of topics that Stone takes on; again, i for one am damn glad
> that *someone* is presenting an *alternative* "truth" to those offered by
> the likes of Reagan/Bush regarding Vietnam, El Salvador, JFK, et al.
> Maybe we need to look at Stone's *The Doors*, which i imagine might be his
> *only* film whose topic is non-controversial enough to examine Stone's
> techniques alongside those of Scorsese and Allen.
>
> Frankly, i admire Stone even more simply for getting under our collective
> skins in ways that Scorsese and Allen, for all their brilliance, simply
> do *not*!
>
> Fractiously,
> MM

I guess what bothers me about Stone is that somehow I think that if I disagree
with him that makes me wrong. This is my gut reaction to his films. As to his t
opics, yes they are an alternative to the Reagan/Bush mentality, but does this
alone make them great films. Now once again this is just my gut reaction, but i
f Stone were to present the truth as Reagan and Bush see it he would be painted
 as a propangnistic right wing Republican. What I dislike about Stone movies an
d maybe I did not make myself clear is that I hate BEING TOLD what to think and
 he seems to hit you over the head like a hammer. I can see your point about ad
miring Stone, he does get people to think and to talk (even though I get the fe
eling he has less respect for the people you disagree with him, a feeling I don
't get with other filmmakers). Well that's my last two cents on the matter.

Caroline
UCLA
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:27:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject: re: death of sam kinnison

>From:         "patrick mckane" <PMCKANE1@UA1VM.BITNET>

>i'm never happy to see anyone die, but can the world really mourn the
>passing of another loud misogynist and homophobe?

 Of course it can't, or at least shouldn't.  They truly have no purpose,
and should not be mourned. Perhaps you would feel yourself
as the arbiter of who is too misogynistic or homophobic to be mourned.


 >    'i can find no room in my cosmos for a
 >diety save as a waste product of human
 >  weakness, the excrement of the imagination'
 >                 -george norman douglas
Another household name for sure.  Certainly should be mourned (and none too
soon!).

Dan
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From: palomb@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Anthony Palombella)
Subject: Re: Wonky double features.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:26:07 GMT

Jay Swartz <swartz@OYSTER.SMCM.EDU> writes:

>Here at St. Mary's we once showed Meatballs with Robocop.  We've also paired
>Fatal Attraction with Psycho and Strange Brew with Up in Smoke.  One year, we
>had a week when we show Star Trek I & II, and the next week III and IV (This
>was before Star Trek V came out.)

	Several years ago, a theater in Hayward, CA showed a double feature
of The Breakfast Club and Desperately Seeking Susan.  That's no big deal, but
their marquee read: "BREAKFAST SEEKING SUSAN."  Maybe not as good as 
"Desperately Seeking Breakfast," but I liked it.

				-- Tony

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HA! ...*Pronoun trouble.* It's not, "He doesn't have to shoot *you*
now," it's, "He doesn't have to shoot *me* now."  Well, I say he DOES
have to shoot me now!  So SHOOT ME NOW!! [] palomb@beagle.colorado.edu
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:42:00 EDT
From:         CLERC@GENESEO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Medieval films.

>        What about _Excalibur_?  Or _Legend_ with Tom Cruise?  Can't they
>be considered medieval films?

        There's a movie from New Zealand called _The Navigator_ that
starts out in a medieval English village and ends in modern-day NZ.
Very interesting little movie. The village is struck by the Plague
and the main character has visions about how to save everyone. The
medieval scenes are in B&W, except for the visions which are in
color, and the modern scenes are in color. The changeover is kind
of confusing - it's hard to tell when it's a dream, when it's medieval,
and when it's modern.

                                Sue
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:37:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Murnau, Cape Fear, and Libraries

What except my twisted mind would connect Murnau, Cape Fear, and Libraries?
The Pt Washington Library as part of it's excellent film series presented a
group of reserected silent films, one of which was Moana, directed by Murnau.
I knew, but forgot to watch for it, but the house boat in Cape fear was
supposed to be named Moana in tribute to Murnau & the film Moana.

While I'm blithering on the subject, one of the enjoyments of watching a film
series in a library or at a film society is the extra info one gains.  How else
would I know that that the principal actress in Moana was a local bar girl, who
later married a German count and died an alcoholic?  (Yes, I could take
hallucinogenic mushrooms, but they're too pricey for my budget.)

(Also on the same bill with Moana was another silent film named Chang!. This
film is of interest for a number of reasons: it took 3 years to film, it
involved the actual killing of tigers, it contained only a single "staged"
sequence, one of the directors/producers is more famous for creating Pan Am
Airlines, and a single clip from the film has probably been seen by every
member of this list!

Concerning the killing of the tigers, it is reliably reported that the producers
   were asked back several years after the filming to help shoot tigers which we
   re
again becoming a problem.  The producers did not go back.

The staged shot was a closeup of an elderly elephant in the Bronx zoo having
a coconut dropped on his head.

And the clip is a shot of elephants being hurded into a stockade.  The shot is
in a Marx Brothers movie.)

If I remember correctly, Murnau's real name was something else.  The name was
taken from a place in Austria (Germany?) where Murnau had spent a romantic
interlude with his lover.  (The lover was subsequently killed in WWI).

David  ACCDAK@HOFSTRA  ("See you at the libraries")
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:51:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Stone & other filmic greats

Oliver Stone? Subtle? OLIVER STONE?

Talk about oxymoron...dry water,military intelligence, subtle Stone.

I've seen every movie he's been connected with, and even managed to
enjoy one. He's a first-rate manipulator of the medium and his films
are physically exciting to watch and listen to -- if you shut down
your frontal lobes as you pay your admission. But as a thinker and
artist, he's about as deep as dermatitis.

The day Stone achieves subtlety will be the day fish fly, sharks swim
in my backyard pool, and Jerry Brown moves into the White House.

Ken Fisher
SUNY Oneonta
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Subject:      Re: Mission from God

        I believe the correct dialogue is:  "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've
got a full tank of gas...half a pack of cigarettes...it's dark and we're
wearing sunglasses.  Hit it!"  followed by lots of tire screeching.

                                Amy
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From: aku@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Chia-Tso Ku)
Subject: Steve Kloves....whatever happened to him?
Keywords: fabulous baker boys, racing with the moon 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 05:30:33 GMT

Does anyone know if Steve Kloves is currently working on a movie?  I'm
a cultish devotee of The Fabulous Baker Boys, his directorial debut
(made when he was twentysomething).  FBB came out in 1989, and since
then I haven't heard of him writing or directing anything new.  His
only other writing credit (to my knowledge) is Racing with the Moon,
which came out in the early '80s.

Andrew
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From:         SLIS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: RE: Stone, Scorsese, Allen

brilliantly said MM!
i second that motion!

cheers
suzanne
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From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      tv cancellations

Kyle, thanks for the info.  I love *Brooklyn Bridge*, don't know
*Civil Wars*, and think that *I'll Fly Away* is often brilliant.
It's certainly the *only* show that presents parallel stories about
African- and Euro-Americans, thus tacitly asserting that both races
are equally interesting!  There's certainly nothing like it, certainly
there's never been a show that attempted to dramatize the early Civil
Rights-era South.  It's *quite* entertaining as well!

Thanks again, I'll call for *BB* and *IFA*!

MMcDonald
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:26:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: Stone & other filmic greats

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: Re: Stone & other filmic greats

> Also, i think that Stone is getting more subtle, in fact; i know that most
>of you won't agree with this, but i actually think that JFK is a fairly subtle
>film, more suggestive than propagandistic.  In my view, this subtlety is
>accomplished through the film's brilliant, restless use of montage, of a number
>of story lines, and in the fact that i, for one, felt free to draw my own
>conclusions about the assasination.

I don't know if the movie was *subtle*, but it certainly wasn't *blatant*.  I
agree that the brilliant use of montage of multiple storylines allows the
viewer to draw your own conclusion.  And just becuase Garrison had made up his
mind, doesn't mean that the viewers had to make up theirs.  Some people may
have come away from the movie believing the Warren Commission anyway?  I
though the movie was very sucessful in making the viewers, like myself,
who weren't alive at the time, feel like a participant in the investigation.
SOTL, although a very engrossing movie, is not on the same intellectual level.
The viewer is led through the plot and is easily able to predict the outcome.
If you analyze the storyline of JFK as just a story, and not fact, it is very
unique.  The "hero" ultimately looses out in the end, a technique that you
would find in a Kafka plot :-)

>i certainly think that JFK leaves more to the imagination than does the silly
>plot of *Silence of the Lambs*--regarding which, someone mentioned Jeffrey
>Dahmer, but the probable *banality* of Dahmer's sensibility (his horrific
>*acts* nothwithstanding) is precisely what *SOTL* *cannot countenance*; i just
>don't buy the notion that there are a lot of *brilliant monsters* running
>around out there, folks, nor do i believe in the literal existence of
>Satan . . .

Amen ;-)

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From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      tv editing

Mentioning editing for t.v. and soundtracks, brings to mind the last time that
Ordinary People was shown on television. The movie was censored for offensive
language, but inconsistantly. In the big scene where Dr. Burger provokes Conrad
into getting pissed off and swearing, the voices were redone but they certainly
didn't match the movement of the lips.  And yet, in other spots they let other
words stay in that were less important to the story. Go figure ...

Stephen
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:32:00 EDT
From:         DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Medieval films.

To the many already mentioned, I'd add:
- FLESH AND BLOOD with Rutger Hauer and Jennifer Jason Leigh
- THE COURT JESTER with Danny Kaye, Angela Lansbury and
Basil Rathbone (one of the grat villains of all time IMHO)

P.S. Gayle, no spelling problem there :-)
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          MICHEL

          Michel Deschuyteneer              (DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET)
          Div. Neurology, Dept. Medicine, Duke Univ. Medical Center.
          Durham, North Carolina; USA.

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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:47:00 EDT
From:         DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET
Subject:      More medieval movies

While browsing at the video store, I noted a few titles in this
category. I did not double check with the previous postings, so
some may have already been mentioned.
IVANHOE by R. Thorpe with Robert Taylor and Elisabeth Taylor
IVANHOE by D. Camfield with Anthony Andrews, Olivia Hussey and
James Mason (1982 remake of the former)
CROMWELL by K. Hughes with Richard Harris
MERLIN AND THE SWORD by Clive Donner with Malcolm McDowell
JOAN OF ARC by Victor Fleming with Ingrid Bergman and Jose Ferrer
THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC by Carl Dreyer with Maria Falconetti
AGUIRRE: THE WRATH OF GOD by Werner Herzog with Klaus Kinski

And in the fantasy category, there is the DEATHSTALKER series.
I believe there are four of those.
........................................................................

          MICHEL

          Michel Deschuyteneer              (DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET)
          Div. Neurology, Dept. Medicine, Duke Univ. Medical Center.
          Durham, North Carolina; USA.

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From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Older films, finding videos

I've also had trouble finding older films for rental or purchase
in the usual video outlets.  However, there are a number of places
from which you can mail order just about anything available if
it's in English, and a whole lot that isn't.  For VHS, Movies
Unlimited in Philadelphia is the best; for laser, Ken Crane's in
Westminster, Ca. is the most comprehensive, though their phone
order-takers don't seem to know anything about movies ("Would you
please spell Nosferatu for me again?").  Facets Video in Chicago
rents through the mail, as does Home Film Festival in Scranton.
Both are steep, but if you REALLY want to watch, say, _Juliet of
the Spirits_, you probably aren't going to find it at Blockbuster.

If there's any interest from the list, I will post a list of ad-
dresses and phone numbers.

P.S. _Juliet of the Spirits_ is due out in laser about now.

P.P.S.  Roger Ebert's annual _Roger Ebert's Movie Home Companion_
has an appendix with video sources, but his info. is badly out of
date -- several of them have changed phone numbers, others are out
of business, and one (Loonic Video in SF, which has a really bi-
zarre list) is listed with the phone number of a gentleman who
sounds just about as P.O.'d as it's possible to get when you call
him to ask about _The Killer Shrews_.

Jim Thompson
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