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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: A couple quickies....
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:29:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

MJ>YES!!!! I'm glad someone else remembers. When Vader won the WCW title
  >this summer, my first comment was "Yeah, right, this is the guy who
  >got THRASHED by Stan Hansen only a couple of years ago and now he's
  >world champion."

Vader improved a LOT from those days.  Heck, even Scott Norton has
gotten a lot better since then.  Vader ain't the first guy to get
squashed by Stan Hansen.

MJ>Hansen must be sitting in Japan going "I coulda been a contender!" :)

Actually, at that time, he was All Japan's Triple Crown champion.
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Company Men
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:33:23 GMT

In <1adll6INNkr5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman) writes:
>Bruno Sammartino in a cage match. On the undercard, I think it listed a
>successful defense of the WWF junior heavyweight title by Greg Gagne. This
>was from circa 1980.

>Was Greg ever champion in the Whiff? I'm sure he may have wrestled men from
>other federations, when it was common to do so. Otherwise, I've never seen
>him elsewhere but the AWA.

I do think Gagne was on that Shea card, but I'm positive he was NEVER
WWF junior heavy champion. The ONLY singles title Gagne ever won was
the AWA International TV title, created specifically for him, you
would think.

The bigger question is....does wrestling one match under a WWF banner,
while still signed as an AWA wrestler (remember, talen sharing was
more pronounced back then) disqualify Gagne from the category of
"wrestler whose spent his entire career in one federation"?

Michael
From: foleye@CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: McMahon's Drug Policy
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:42:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

In article <BvE728.ED6@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
>  Bret Hart                     I wouldn't bet the house that he's clean.
>                                Technical know-how?  We
>                                keep getting it rammed down our throats
>                                that he's the "excellence of execution,"
>                                but how much of that is hype and how much
>                                of that is based on his current work?
>

Good point.  I'm somewhat surprised to find out he got the "Best Technical
Wrestler" award on your Usenet survey.  I think he's somewhat overrated.

>
>  Ultimate Warrior              Off-and-on the juice.  I guess with the 
>                                body-suit, he's gonna clean himself out.
>                                I don't know where the idea that he can
>                                work comes from.  What evidence of this
>                                have we ever had? 
>

SummerSlam '89 and the Survivor Series Showdown '89 vs. Tully, to name a couple
of examples.  The former?  Belly-to-back superplex was what turned it around
when Rude climbed the ropes to yell at someone outside the ring (think it wuz
Piper).  In the match with Hogan, he did a fair amount of work, and in defending
the WWF title against Ted DiBiase at SNME the following winter he had a fairly
good match as well.  For a generally-brawling type wrestler, he actually does
work at it a great deal.

>  Undertaker                    He doesn't have to be on the juice with that
>                                ring costume.  Technical know-how?  Please. 
>

A little, but not much.  He can suplex well, and had a few good moves as
Mean Mark in WCW, but Vince hasn't let him do any moves in the ring except
off the top rope whack, flying clothesline/fist/whatever-it's-supposed-to-be,
and the UH OH HERE COMES THE TOMBSTONE WHAM ONE TWO THREE BONG BONG . . .

>  Lots of Jr. Heavyweights      True enough.
>
>                                                                     Herb...

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: WCW question [Hey Sean - Hit "N"]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:28:45 GMT

wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Not getting WCW on television, and having not been on this network
>from April until a few weeks ago, I missed the removal of Kip Frey
>and the induction of Bill Watts. I've read the network, in the hopes
>of finding out the reason for this [after all, don't want to clog
>up the network with bandwidth-wasting, "newbie" questions that might
>cause Mr. Ryan intestinal cramps], but have seen nothing, beyond

>Hope I didn't cause any headaches, urinary infections, or painful
>itching from hemeroidal flare-up due to my "newbie" question...

I can understand that without Phil S. around this year, it's
tempting to dump on the easiest available target.  And Sean
seems to be drawing fire.  But why don't we all just let it rest
and get back to discussing pro-wrestling?  It's much more interesting.

Just my opinion,

Tom
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From: s91386kf@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Katsuhiko Fuse)
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.121100.7290@cerritos.edu> 
s613012466@cerritos.edu (Robert Vandeventer) writes:

 |Two Questions:
 |
 |1.  What happened to Bad News Brown.  
 |    Last time I saw him on whiff (WWF), they were setting him up 
 |    for a feud with Hogan (guess how long ago that was :) ), and
 |    then he dissappered.  

 Quite recently, he came to Japan. He used to wrestle for New Japan,
but on his visit, he signed up the contract to wrestle in UWF Inter-
national. New Japan was ready to put this matter in the court, but
decided not to because it will take much time and money. Instead, 
they told him that they won't be hiring him anymore.  

 He wrestled twice in UWF International, where he faced former US
amateur wrestler Gary Albright. One in Sapporo and one in Tokyo.
UWF International hired him because they thought that his backgrounds
(former US Judo champion) would be suitable for their colors. (As you
might know, UWF International wants to prove that professional wrestl-
ing is the strongest martial arts all around the world)

 The result, losing twice to Albright in less than 10 minutes in both
matches.
From: jjermani@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (John W. Jermanis)
Subject: Re: RSPW "Best Of" Video Update
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Reply-To: jjermani@ics.uci.edu (John W. Jermanis)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:45:35 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the proper time or not, but if it is, I would like
to say I am definitly interested in purchasing the tape.  I'll watch the net
for further details of the tape.  If there is any information a potential
receiver like me should know, please e-mail me.

John Jermanis -- jjermani@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
From: 11mwarner@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Knights & Gladiators
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:27:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <6HkMr*3h0@birdland.UUCP>, Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio) writes:
> The success of "American Gladiators" has resulted in a bad rip-off called
> "Knights and Warriors." This has a more medieval feel to it. One of the
> male opponents looks a lot like Paul Roma. Has anyone else seen this show?
> 

Yeah, I've seen this crap.  They pushed WCW to 1:30am on Sunday nights (my only
wrestling until football season ends, BTW) for this crap.  I'll pay attention
next week and see if I find him.

						PSYCHO
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From: yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will)
Subject: It was 20 years ago today...
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:03:16 GMT

No, nothing about Sgt. Pepper...just some old results for the 
nostalgically inclined:

 
1972
 
October 5:  Jack Brisco & Mike Graham WDQ Buddy Shane & Mike Webster,
            Dick Slater W Mike George [Jacksonville, FL]
            Terry Funk W Harley Race [Kansas City, MO]
            Al Hayes W Moose Morowski,
            Dory Funk Sr. W The Sheik [Amarillo, TX]
 
October 6:  Andre Rousimoff W Red Dupree & Benny Jarrels,
            Dick the Bruiser W Blackjack Mulligan [Indianapolis, IN]
 
October 7:  Chuck O'Connor (John Studd) W Arnold Skoaland [Boston, MA]
            Tiger Jeet Singh W Wodi Ayreub [Melbourne, Australia]
 
October 8:  Baron Von Raschke W Dick the Bruiser [Detroit, MI]
 
October 9:  Bill Watts WDQ Bob Sweetan [Tulsa, OK]
            Jerry Lawler & Jim White W Dennis Hall & Roy Welch [Birm., AL]
            Gene Kiniski W Bob Brown [Vancouver, BC]
 
October 10: Don Muraco & Lani Kealoha (Jimmy Snuka) W Dusty Rhodes &
            Larry Hennig [Grand Forks, ND]
            Mil Mascaras D Bobby Duncum [Dallas, TX]
            Dory Funk Jr. W Tim Woods [Tampa, FL]
 
October 11: Pat Patterson W Paul Demarco [San Jose, CA]
            Bill Watts NC Tarzan Tyler [Baton Rouge, LA]
            The Sheik W Antonino Rocca [Honolulu, HI]
 
--Gary Will
From: dauria@csa.bu.edu (David DAuria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:35:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


In <1992Sep29.225448.13221@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding) writes:


>Four men, and one or two managers, who virtually dominated the NWA's title
>scene.  At one point in time or another, all of the following were involved
>with the Horsemen:  Flair, Ole Anderson, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Lex
>Luger, James J. Dillon, Barry Windham, Robin Greene, Sting, Kendall Windham,
>Hiro Matsuda, Sid Vicious.

Looks like you forgot Butch "where the hell did he go?" Reed.
(Yes,  Butch Reed was a horseman for a couple of weeks)
BTW What did happen to Reed?  He was supposed to fight Simmons but
it seems like he dropped off the face of the earth.(Was that the 
accident:-)

David D'Auria
dauria@csa.bu.edu
From: wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WCW question [Hey Sean - Hit "N"]
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:43:05 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Not getting WCW on television, and having not been on this network
from April until a few weeks ago, I missed the removal of Kip Frey
and the induction of Bill Watts. I've read the network, in the hopes
of finding out the reason for this [after all, don't want to clog
up the network with bandwidth-wasting, "newbie" questions that might
cause Mr. Ryan intestinal cramps], but have seen nothing, beyond
bringning in Watts to cut costs. 

My question is: What happened to Frey, and WHY Watts?

Frank
Hope I didn't cause any headaches, urinary infections, or painful
itching from hemeroidal flare-up due to my "newbie" question...
From: rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Center Stage comments
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:31:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <2696.137.uupcb@ssr.com> dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) writes:
>AP>I always thought they were loyal company men to Watts from the UWF days. Gue
>  >times have changed.
>
>Well, they make the lion's share of their income working for All Japan.
>All Japan has two big tours coming up, so Doc and Gordy will be there.
>There are only a few weeks off in between, so Doc and Gordy really
>could not be here to defend the starps that much.

  Would they leave if they got the right offer? I could see maybe Doc leaving
if he was offered the right $ and position in the company since he's probably
been wrestling in All Japan for only a couple years. But Terry Gordy? He's been
wrestling in Japan for many years and i'm not sure whether WCW could ever
get him full time. What do you think?

Rob C. 

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: BOB BACKLUND IS BACK!!!!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:28:13 GMT

It was announced on today's Wrestling Challenge that Bob Backlund will
be returning to the federation.

They showed clips from his title reign, including the post-match
celebration from his title win over Superstar Graham.

In an interview, they named him as a former WWF champion, and he said
that he's returning to once again become the champion.

Some analysis: 

1) The fact that the WWF is now admitting he's a former champion, as
well as showing clips of his old matches means they're now admitting
to an era pre-Hogan. Good for them. Backlund was and is a great
*wrestler*, no gimmicks, no flash, but a very good performer in the
ring.

2) Maybe Hogan really isn't coming back after all. And if the trend
now is towards smaller non-juiced wrestlers, Bob can actually make
this comeback work.

3) On a personal note, I'm absolutely thrilled to see his return. He
got the ultimate job from Vince back in 1984. And if Vince was smart,
Backlund would get a HUGE push and be put in a program against Flair
for the title. Now THAT would be a good Wrestlemania 9 main event!
Flair vs. Backlund at MSG for the WWF title.

Michael
From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re:  Scott Steiner New WCW TV Champ
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:16:06 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

Can anyone confirm whether Scott Steiner really "turned" at the
TV taping last week?  

Just because he beat Steamboat for the TV title doesn't have me
convinced, since the guy who reported seeing the match never said
anything but that Scott won with "a small package"--hardly a heel
maneuver unless he used an international object first.

I was under the impression that WCW, every once in a while, likes to
do face-face matches just like New Japan, where it is not uncommon
to see Masa Chono v. Keiji Muto, (lately) Hiroshi Hase v. Kensuke Sasaki,
Ricki Choshu v. Tatsumi Fujinami.   In fact, these are all considered
"healthy rivalries"...so can't Scott and Steamboat have one?

Plus, the Steiners have wrestled faces before without turning--remember
the near-classic versus Sting/Luger (which was brilliant until the 
Dicks [er, Hardliners]) hit the ring?  Or the nearly as good Japan match
versus Sting and Muta, when the Steiners *jobbed*.......they still didn't
turn!  Best of all was the match against squeaky-clean NJPW babyfaces
Hiroshi Hase and Kensuke Sasaki for the IWGP titles (the first time, 
although last week was supposed to be pretty hot, too [Steiners won,
BTW, that's where Rick ripped the pec]).  Again, no turn but hugs after
the match.

Also, the Scott "turning on Bagwell" TV angle may have just been to get
Scott back over as "extremely intense", plus Bagwell sucks bigtime and
I can't wait to see this.  Maybe they'll turn Bagwell instead.  Then
again, maybe some facial hair on Scotty and Watts can bring in Scott
Norton to be his partner...they'd be pretty fraggin' scary!

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From: kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Company Men
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:13:40 GMT
Organization: Team Slack
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About Greg Gagne:

Don't worry about the WWF Jr. Heavyweight title part. It probably was
Fujinami who held the title, and Greg probably did a couple of one-shot
matches on undercards or something.

Ignorance is bliss - plus it starts long, wonderful threads!

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From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Heart Punch (Was:More Briliant Ideas)
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:29:43 GMT
Reply-To: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Organization: J. Benedict Computing
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1



> 
> I'll bet that Achy Breaky Heart was the inspiration for the Singing
> Cowboy thing. I'll also be that the ABH is Rance whatshisname's
> finishing move.

I missed the other crud that went with this one, so I'll just jump
on in:

	Is the Achy Breaky Heart a variation of Stan "The Man" Stasiak's
Heart Punch?  In Stan's last few years, he was wrestling out of Portland
and his big finisher was the Heart Punch.  He'd hold the jobber's
arm over the head with one hand and then whack the slob right on the
sternum as hard as he could. I *know* he was hitting hard, 'cause he
did it one time and immediately started marching around the ring in
pain and Sandy Barr had to remind him to cover the jobber so he could
be counted out.

	Stan Stasiak- Now *there* was a wrestler.  He had a calcium deposit
on his elbow the size of a softball from hitting the mat so many times.
None of the "faggy shit" of the Whiff for him....

BTW- On the topic of Portland Wrestling in the early 80's- where is
Playboy Buddy Rose? He had some great feuds with Piper, David Shultz
(he was involved in a really bloody shoot which was televised in its
entirety), Steve Regal and Matt Borne.  Also, he helped break Curt
Hennig into the biz. (There was a "my father can beat your father
feud between Hennig and Borne.  Both Larry "The Axe" and "Tough Tony"
were there, but "Tough Tony" was in rough shape and there was no contact)

Happy wrasslin'

Jeff

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From: GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.)
Subject: Re: Ric Flair as a face
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:12:54 GMT


>In article <Bv96Dz.7uB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:

>  People were taling about Flair facing Nikita in 1985 as a heel/heel
>match.  Wasn't that the time when Nikita turned good in light of Magnum TA's
>accident.  I seem to recall Starcade 1985 being the Night of the Skywalker's,
>with Flair going against a good Nikita, who recently formed the Superpowers
>with Dusty Rhodes.

Nikita formed the superpowers with in 1986 after Magnum had his accident in the
fall of 1986.

Richard Gaines, Jr.
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: The Sheik and Juice (was Re: Vintage Wrestling Tape
Date: 26 Sep 92 01:14:21 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.


 [Account of Sheik vs. Lewin deleted]

>   Lewin gets thrown out of the ring and the spectators scamble.
>   Lewin junps in the ring, gets the stick and stabs the Sheik(who juices)
>   in the forehead.  

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a match where the Sheik
hasn't juiced? The poor old guy must been in such rough shape.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, my friend tasted the Sheik's
blood at a card I saw with him. He didn't believe it was real. Now he does.
 
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From: bulls@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (debra.s.martis)
Subject: Re: Mr. Perfect spotted
Keywords: Henning Gold's Gym
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:53:00 GMT

In article <Jo7Kr*Yf0@birdland.UUCP> uunet!tension!birdland!andy writes:


>Anyway, he split before I had a chance to approach him. He didn't look like
>the friendliest dude in the world, anyway. Anyone here ever get a chance
>to talk to him?


I had an encounter with him in Rockford, IL several years ago.  It was
probably 83-85 or so.  I was at an AWA card and he was a face.  We went
around to the locker room door (this card was at a high school gym and
the security was virtually non-existant, and we could follow the wrestlers
right to the door) and we were giving Hennig alot of grief.  Finally he 
turned to me asked if I wanted to go outside and settle this.  My friends
stepped up to me and he said he will take all 4 of us on.  Finally the 
cops stepped in and pushed us down the hall, away from the locker room.
Hennig did manage to get in this parting shot to my friend.  "Your girl
friend gives really good head too!"  Not too friendly, but was probably
partly a work.

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