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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY Technology
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:58:09 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

silverstein@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>Mr McElwaine, if any intelligent physicist or engineer seriously believed that
>any of this stuff would actually work, he would give up his job and go into
>business making free-energy cars and power plants and toaster ovens. He would

More importantly, the totalitarian countries, like Cuba which are
moth-balling their agro machinery and going back to the oxen due to the
lack of fuel, where the EVIL PRIESTHOODS of the OIL CORPORATIONS are
not an excuse, would have explored and utilized these technologies by
now.  They have little to lose.  Instead of using "FREE-ENERGY" Cubans
are switching to bicycles.
-- 
"Eight years is too long for anyone to go without skills or purpose." 
							-- George H. W. Bush

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: dschleef@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mr Zeppelin and his band)
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY Technology
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:17:50 GMT

In article <6898@transfer.stratus.com> moser@sw.stratus.com (Tom Moser) writes:
>I only have a few minutes so I will only comment on the MOST amusing aspects of
>this post. In article <1992Sep29.181540.1413@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>                Ninety to a hundred years ago, everybody "knew" that a 
>
>	I was not around 90 years ago but I am pretty sure that they
>	had birds back then. Last time I checked birds were heavier 
>	than air. Birds are an example of heavier than air machines
>	which can fly without violating the laws of physics.

If she weighs the same as a duck... SHE'S A WITCH!

but... she can't fly...

>> [stuff about wonderful, simple 'free energy' devices that no one builds
>>   despite their simplicity and utility deleted]

(Sorry I didn't include the original...)

If there is an explanation for where the energy comes from, then these
devices certainly could not be free energy devices.  The devices that
were decribed in no way violated classical physics, only stole energy
from a readily available source, such as the rotation of the earth or
magnetic field of the earth.  This is the way that space probes are
accelerated around planets such as Jupiter.  Jupiter looses the same
momentum/energy as the space probe gains.  Yet, the energy loss of
Jupiter is not detectible.
The kenetic energy contained in the rotation of the earth is approximately
2.57e29 Joules.  The current energy use of the US/world is in the range
of exajoules (1e18), so it appears that there is a resource that is
untapped, but could supply the world for billions of years, not that it
would matter... Isn't this what the moon is doing?

I'd like to see someone pull all the energy out all at once (and put it in
the moon?)... That would be a considerable shock to the world...

>
>	Let's be serious - Some of these devices are REALLY simple to build
>	eg. Joseph Newman's engine - if they work then why don't we see
>	anyone except an Arkansas pig farmer using them? Does Newman
>	run his microwave and toaster from one of these?

No, becuase the output for these devices is small, making them very
unprofitable.

>
>	[apologies to anyone from Arkansas or any pig farmers - I know
>	several of each and no insult is intended - I just don't expect them
>	to be the first and only users of new global energy technologies]
>

Yes... it has been a while since farmers were the forefront of technology...
How many years has it been since the Agricultural Revolution?

>Tom 
>B.S. Computer Science
>U of Illinois (Champaign)

dave.
I just study some physics here and there and know a non-impressive number
of trivial facts.
From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Summary: time travel
Keywords: parallel universes time travel
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:58:39 GMT
Expires: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 07:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: et@et.com
Organization: Eric Taylor and Associates, Inc.

In article <20SEP92.20442522.0039@vmxa.polymtl.ca> TH04@polytec1.polymtl.ca (TH04000) writes:
>Could anyone give me good references, if possible in French, on books
>that could explain in a non-to-technical way the theory of parallel
>universes.  There are too many books on the subject, and I don't know
>what to start with.  I think Einstein was doing researches on the
>
>subject, and was coming to the conclusion that there could be an in
>finite number of universes.  I am presently dreaming of the possibility
>of traveling in time, if we start with this theory.  In fact, let's
>[...]
>Thank you for your answers and comments...(don't forget the references)

I'm not very up on parallel universes, but here are some references
for time travel, etc:

A Brief History of Time, by Stephen W. Hawking
  -- while not specifically on time travel, it does discuss time's arrow.

Faster Than Light: Superliminal Loopholes in Physics, by Nick Herbert
  -- an excellent treatment of FTL communications and travel.
     it also has a very good bibliography.

"Time Travel Redux" by David H. Freedman, Discover magazine, apr 92, v13#4 p54
  -- the cover story, interesting, but impractical methods of time travel.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (L GENE BATTIN)
Subject: Re: Meyer's Hydrogen From Water Technology
Followup-To: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: VENUS.IUCF.INDIANA.EDU
Distribution:  world
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:16:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.093626.14789@kth.se>, 
tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren) writes...

>In article <w2+pzg#.noring@netcom.com>, 
>noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
> 
>>I just heard from a source that I'd rather not reveal that some sort of Federal
>>"gag order" was put on one or more of the Meyer patents and/or his work.  My
>>source stated that it was classified 'Secret'.
> 
> is this the same "Meyer" who was screwing around with dudettes from the
>Pleiades?? who got ray-beam shot-guns from them, and who was taken for
>round-trips in their magnetized superconducting earth'n'space gravity
>riding UFO's and provided us with really out off focus photographs??
> 

Don't think so, the UFO "Meyer" was spelled "Meier", I thought.  Someone
in alt.alien.visitors would probably know for sure.

> 
> 
> 
>---------------+--------------------------------
> Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my OWN,
>               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
>---------------+--------------------------------
> Department of Physics, University of Stockholm

Gene
Battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
no .sig yet
From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: String Theory
Date: 1 Oct 1992 13:10 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
Summary: What happened to the String Theory?
Keywords: strings, quantum mechanics, quantum physics, whatever
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <tem1.717899943@Isis.MsState.Edu>, tem1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Miller) writes...
>I was wondering...does anyone know what happened to the string theory?  I
>remember reading a big article a couple years ago (in a fairly large 
>scientific magazine, sorry cant remember which) about it.  THe cover of the
>magazine had a neat picture of computer generated strings on it. Anyway,
>the point of this post is this:
> 
>Is is still being debated, or has it been totally discredited?  Also, could
>someone either post to this board the 'meat' of the theory or email me the
>information necessary to read about it (i.e. The magazine I referred to, date
>etc...)

String Theory is still alive and the subject of intensive research.  It has
not a single piece of experimental evidence either in favor or against, which
is unlikely to change in the near future.  So String Theory will probably 
not die anytime soon.

It's not really a matter of "debate," due to the total absence of experimental
data.  It is more a matter of exploring the consequences of a set of interesting
assumptions, which seem to solve some of the nastier problems with the 
conventional picture of subatomic physics.  On the other hand, only when the 
subject is well-developed enough for someone to make unambiguous 
predictions which can affordably be tested in an experiment of some kind, 
wlll the general population of non- String Theorists begin to take the model
very seriously.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
From: sundermm@columbia.dsu.edu (MARC SUNDERMEYER)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Ions and Ion drive technology
Summary: Need Info
Keywords: Ion Drive
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:31:12 GMT
Organization: Dakota State University


	To anyone out there in this area, I would sure like some response 
about new technology concerning Ion drives or Ion propulsion.  I need some 
other things such as addresses that will put me in direct contact with a 
company that designs and tests Ion drives for reasearch.

Your help is greatly appreciated!
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: That FREE ENERGY thing (NASA)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:55:30 GMT

v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...) writes:

>	The shuttle recently conducted an experiment (which failed due to an
>equipment malfunction) in which a 13 mile conductive wire was to be stretched
>out and allowed to pass through the electromagnetic field of the earth while
>in orbit.
>	We know that it will generate electricity, just ask any high school
>physics teacher about passing a wire through a magnetic field, the question
>was: Would it be practical?
>	Does this fit into FREE ENERGY???

It's not free-- it comes from the kinetic energy of the shuttle/space
station.  There was a considerable amount of discussion of this on
sci.physics and, I think, sci.space around the time of the attempt.

It's also not clear that it will work even if they do get the apparatus
to extend.  Part of the problem, I think, is whether the means used to
close the current loop-- involving some kind of electron gun mounted at
the spacecraft end-- will do its thing.  If it doesn't, they'll just
succeed in producing a DC voltage, but no current.  
-- 
Matt McIrvin, posting nonsense again 
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Meyer's Hydrogen From Water Technology
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:18:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <w2+pzg#.noring@netcom.com>, noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I just heard from a source that I'd rather not reveal that some sort of Federal
> "gag order" was put on one or more of the Meyer patents and/or his work.  My
> source stated that it was classified 'Secret'.
> 
> Has anybody heard independent corroboration of this rumor, or is this just a
> false alarm?
> 
> Jon Noring
> 

While we're at it, Jon, what happened to Tom Bearden? We haven't heard
much about him and his inventions lately.  I, for one, sent you a
message asking to be sent more info, and I haven't heard a peep.

Jason

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Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:48:04 -0400 
From: Maulik Harish Shah <msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Question about FREE-ENERGY?

Hello,
	I read the post on Free-Energy. It piqued my curiousity and skepticism-
Does anybody know the drawbacks of some of the devices that the poster
posted about? (Obviously there must be or everyone of us would have
Migma Fusion reactors in out backyards. 
	Well, Just curious.
				Thanks!

				-Mo

P.S. Could you mail me a copy of any posts on here? I don't read the
bboard often.





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Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
From: kdrolt@athena.mit.edu (Kenneth D Rolt)
Subject: going to 124th ASA / New Orleans ?  request.
Keywords: physical acoustics session  3aPA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:05:22 GMT

I won't be going to the 124th Acoustical Society of America meeting,
31 Oct - 4 Nov 1992, but there is a paper that appears to be greatly
on my graduate research work, amd I am looking for someone who plans
to go to the meeting, and attend the 3aPA Physical Acoustics session
on Monday morning, 2 Nov.   The paper is 3aPA12
"Experimental investigation of highly intense sound beams from two focusing
circular transducers" by Nachef, Cathignol, and Chapelon.
I would like a reprint of the paper (if the authors make one available),
and failing that, a summary of the talk (then I can treat this as a
personal communication in my thesis).   there are people here @ mit who
are going to the meeting but i amy trying to find someone who WANTS to
go to the 3aPA session, so i don't have to recruit an unenthusiastic
grad student here.  email reply to me please.  thanks.
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Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
From: haase@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Mark Haase)
Subject: Good Books
Summary: List of references for sonar study
Keywords: sonar, acoustics, references
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:51:53 GMT

Dear Users:

The following is a list of refereces that was sent to me.

Sincerely,
	Chris Haase
	University of Chicago
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Ivan Tolstoy and C.S. Clay
Ocean Acoustics: Theory and Experiment in Underwater Sound,
first published 1966, published in 1987 by the Acoustical Society of
America.

The Geological Society of America Memoir # 27, October 15, 1948
Propagation of Sound in the Ocean
Contribution # 415 from the Woods Hole Oceanograhic Institution.
This document contains three papers containing WW II studies on
sound propagation.  The papers are:
Explosion sounds in shallow water, J.L. Worzel and M. Ewing
Theory of Propagation of Explosive Sound in Shallow Water, C.L. Pekeris
   (this one is the first great paper on sound propagation)
Long range sound transmission, M.Ewing and J.L. Worzel

For a recent paper try
Bahar, Ezekiel : Scattering of Acoustic Waves in irregular layered
                 Media: Full Wave Solutions.
Wave Motion, Volume 12 (1990), pp. 53 -- 65
published by Elsevier Science Publishers

Another classic book:
L.M. Brekhovskih, Waves in layered media. Academic Press, 1960.

A recent book
Calvin H. Wilcox
Sound Propagation in Stratified Fluids
Springer Verlag, Applied Mathematical Sciences, Volume 50
From: jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Joe Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: Re: Auditory Demos. on CD?
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:51:26 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <26273@castle.ed.ac.uk> mjo@castle.ed.ac.uk (Martyn J O Clark) writes:
>Linked to my article asking for info. on Chas. Taylor, I would like to
>ask whether anyone has the CD mentioned above. I am trying to track down
>an acoustic illusion used by Prof. Taylor in the course of a lecture in
>London... Is there such a track on that CD  ---  of a musical tone which
>seemingly descends infinitely in pitch?
>
>I would be glad to here of anyone who has the CD!
>
>Martyn (mjo@castle.ed.ac.uk) 
>
>-- 
>==============================================================================
>I Have, even if I do say so myself, the BEST CHOCOLATE ICE-CREAM recipe in the 
>world...Mail mjoc@uk.ac.ed with your request...no special equipment reqd.

Hi Martyn, et al.,

I have the ASA's Auditory Demonstration CD and I must say that it's great!
I believe that the answer to your question is yes, it does contain
a demonstration of Shepard's Scale (an M.C. Escher painting for the ear).
I've also made a QuickTime movie of Shepard's Scale based upon a 
delightful book (w/CD-ROM) _Exploring_Mathematics_with_Mathematica_
by Theodore W. Gray and Jerry Glynn, Addison-Wesley, 1991; someday I'll
unleash on the net.  Also of interest is Malcolm Slaney's HyperCard stack
that complements the ASA CD; it's available via anonymous ftp from
ftp.apple.com.  (The ASA CD may be ordered directly from the ASA, see
the last few pages of a JASA for details.)

Joe (you've tempted me, please send me your chocolate ice-cream recipe)
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From: marvit@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Peter Marvit)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: Re: Sound imaging
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:14:48 GMT
	<72610@apple.Apple.COM>
Organization: Psychology Dept, U. Pennsylvania
In-reply-to: malcolm@Apple.COM's message of 21 Sep 92 19:06:02 GMT

In a previous article, pamws@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Mark Sprague) writes:
   >With only two inputs (left headphone and right headphone) it is impossible
   >to distinguish between a sound source in front, behind, above, or below
   >you.  Your ears can only distinguish left and right.  In the "real world"
   >your brain compensates by noting the changes in the directionality of
   >the sound when you turn your head.  

Then, in article <72610@apple.Apple.COM> malcolm@Apple.COM (Malcolm
Slaney) writes:

>  I don't have a reference handy but we can localize sounds that are as short 
>  as 50ms.  Seems unlikely that we can react and move our heads that fast.

In fact, thresholds for interaural time differences using transients
(clicks) through headphones were measured in the 9-28 *micro*second range
(Klump & Eady, 1956) with certain circumstances/conditions producing a
difference limen of 6 microseconds (Tobias and Zerlin, 1959). Note that
a time difference of 10 microseconds corresponds to about 1 degree of
lateral shift.

About vertical localization through headphones, Malcolm continues:
>  There are a number of labs that talk about doing this. Mostly they do this
>  by measuring the sound actually received in people's ears and then filtering
>  with the derived transfer functions.  I've seen lots of attempts to explain
>  how we do this (perhaps pinae echos that cause frequency notches to move)
>  but I'm not convinced yet.

The list of Foster's work is wonderful.  Thanks!  Blauert (Wisconson?)
has done a lot of this work, as Butler (place unknown). I'm probably more
convinced than Malcolm, though I think the pinna (earlobe) frequency
filtering is only part of the story. Some references which folks may wish
to start with for the psychophysical evidence include Blauert (1983),
Freedman and Fisher (1968), and Batteau (1967).  There is also evidence
that we are able to familiarize ourselves with room acoustics very
quickly, probably using pinna cues (Plenge, 1974).

	-Peter "Ear-ly to bed" Marvit

Klump RG and Eady HR (1956). Some measurements of interaural time
      	difference thresholds. JASA 28:859-860

Tobias JV and Zerlin S (1959). Lateralizatio threshold as a function of
	stimulus duratio. JASA 31:1591-1594

Blauert J (1983). Spatial hearing. MIT Press

Batteau DW (1968). Listening with the naked ear. in Neuropsychology of
	spatially oriented behaviour (ed. Freedman SJ). Dorsey Press

Plenge G (1974). On the differenes between localizatio and
	lateralization. JASA 56:944-951
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From: haase@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Mark Haase)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: Shallow Water Sonar
Summary: Question
Keywords: Sonar, Shallow Water, Numerical Methods
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:04:32 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago

Dear Users,

I am a graduate student at the University of Chicago and am interested in
finding an interesting thesis problem involving sonar in shallow water.
I have Urick's book but am interested if there are any good references that
discuss the use of sonar in shallow water conditions.  Ultimately, I envision
my problem involving dissipative, boundary value PDE problems and the use
of numerical methods.  If you have any advice or have any sources that I might
consult, I would be greatly appreciative.

Sincerely Yours,

Chris Haase
Department of Mathematics
University of Chicago
From: "brian sheehan" <brian.sheehan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: drop
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:48:27 EST
Reply-To: "brian sheehan" <brian.sheehan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

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From: mjo@castle.ed.ac.uk (Martyn J O Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics
Subject: Auditory Demos. on CD?
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:47:41 GMT
Organization: Organization?

Linked to my article asking for info. on Chas. Taylor, I would like to
ask whether anyone has the CD mentioned above. I am trying to track down
an acoustic illusion used by Prof. Taylor in the course of a lecture in
London... Is there such a track on that CD  ---  of a musical tone which
seemingly descends infinitely in pitch?

I would be glad to here of anyone who has the CD!

Martyn (mjo@castle.ed.ac.uk) 

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From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: AA-1 timescale
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:35:12 GMT
Organization: Raccoon-Silkies have more fun !


 Just a repeat request for any information as to the time it might take from
receiving notice of registration for in the AA-1 lottery to being given the
work authorisation. I remember someone posting his own experiences from a
successful application last year, at the beginning of September, so I know
/someone/ gets the promised green cards.. :)

-- Porsupah

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