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From: u31b3hs@cip-s02.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
Subject: Re: quick MGR question...
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:47:49 GMT

al838@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Grabowski) writes:
>Just a quick question regarding MGR.  I grabbed the version off tsx-11, and
>installed it.  Used all the suggested settings (640x480, /dev/mouse, etc).
>I started it up (forgot to sync first, big mistake!), the graphics screen
>came up (geez, it's fast on my 486/33!).  Got the checkerboard background,
>and then my machine hung.  No mouse movement, no console switching, nothing.
>In the README, it says that it only supports Mickeysoft mouses.  I have
>an ATI VGAWonder card with bus mouse.  The .97 kernel does recognize it, but
>I may have the wrong major/minor numbers for my mouse (by memory, I think that
>I used 10 and 0).  Anyone have any hints for me?

Join the MGR channel of the Linux mailing list. Please!!!

I don't have an ATI VGAWonder card with bus mouse.  Is the protocol
Microsoft compatible?  I think answering this question is your task, and
it will also answer your posting.

I don't know what the 0.97 busmouse driver does, because I still run
0.96c-pl1.  Can someone enlighten me?  If it provides a device which
looks like a serial line with a mouse connected, MGR should work with
it.

If you would have joined the MGR channel, you would know that the
version on tsx-11 is *old*.  Unfortunately, there is no newer version
which supports VGA, because I have no VGA and no VGA hacker is still
working on MGR.  Sorry.  I will announce the next version which supports
VGA.  The neccessary changes should be small, however.

Michael   
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: conflicting serial ports
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:48:52 GMT

   From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker)
   Date: 21 Aug 92 01:22:21 GMT

   < ... about device busy message when trying to open both serial devices 0
   and 2 or both 1 and 3, i.e. use COM1 and COM3 at the same time>

   This shouldn't be too hard to fix.  In 'tty.c' add two new interrupt
   handlers along the model of the four that are already there: one that
   checks both COM1 and COM3, and a second that checks both COM2 and
   COM4.  (It's fine to check a serial port if no character is waiting.)
   Then instead of returning EBUSY when opening the second tty of the
   pair, install the appropriate dual handler.  

The problem is that unless you have a special serial board, that won't
work.  The way the (brain-damanged) ISA bus was designed prevents two
boards from using the same interrupt line at the same time.  It is
possible to have special serial cards that multiplex more than one
serial card onto one interrult line.  An example of that is the AST
4-port card.  Ftp to tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/ALPHA/serial to pick up
my experimental serial driver which supports the AST boards plus COM1-4
ports.

Does anyone actually have a serial board that allows *concurrent*
interrupts from COM1+3 or COM2+4?  If you do, please send me email.
I've never seen such a beast on the market, which is why I didn't modify
serial.c to support it.  If there's hardware out there that really
supports that, it's a simple change to make to the serial driver, and
I'd be happy to add it to my version of serial.c.

						- Ted

P.S.  I'm also thinking about adding concurrent dialin/dialout devices,
as well as better support for hardware handshaking.  Basically, I'm
looking at FAS (the Final Async Solution, a freeware serial driver for
SysV-derived Unices) and stealing ideas of useful features that we might
want to have.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: formatting
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:54:23 GMT

Here we go again.

In article <1992Aug12.132801.6164@infonode.ingr.com> tracyre@infonode.ingr.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.015419.2738@athena.mit.edu>, hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond) writes:
>|> I'm about to install my first kernel since I converted from DOS to Linux 0.96.
>|> Under DOS, I remember using rawrite to place the boot image on the floppy.
>|> How will this be accomplished under Linux?  The 0.97 README states that a
>|> formatted floppy is needed.  What program should be used to format the disk?
>
>With Linux, if you have a bootimage file which you want to put on a
>floppy, the floppy doesn't need to be formatted.  You can simply
>execute the command:
>
>$ cat bootimage > /dev/PS0

The floppy does need to be at least low-level formatted.  You're just
asking for trouble, otherwise.  The proper command to low-level format
a floppy is:

# fdformat /dev/fd0h1200	/* high density 5.25" */
# fdformat /dev/fd0H1440	/* high density 3.5"  */

>If you want to format a DOS diskette, I believe that you use the
>mtools command:
>
>$ mkdfs -f a: (b:)

To high-level format a floppy in DOS format, the command should be:

# mformat a:
-- 
                                    +    Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95)
                                    |            Harvey Mudd College
                                    | jwinstea@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
                                    + This is all my words.  Honest!
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: reusing linux-ized disks for DOS
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:13:41 GMT

andre@sun.ac.za (ANDRE SKARZYNSKI) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.064148.9940@nwnexus.WA.COM> vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:

>>in cleaning up old versions dating back to 0.95a of boot/root floppies,
>>compiler images, etc. I notice that DOS5.0 seems unable to reformat a
>>linux-format (or image) floppy to DOS format.

>Are you sure your drive is okay ? There shouldn't be any problems. Try an 
>unconditional format, format a:/u. 

it basically doesn't get me too much.  One disk worked, 10 didn't.
I found that on the one that worked I had to format it twice, since the
first time reported about 150KB bad on a known good disk.

THe other disks show more like 150MB good (!) on known good disks.

The frustrating thing is that everything looks fine and dandy if
the disks were used under DOS.  It's only the linux-ized disks that DOS
can't handle.

One message that comes up is somthing like "Bad block 0".  

>>is there any special magic required to get linux-ized floppies back
>>to a DOS format ???

>Try passing the disk over a magnet a few times, and then try reformating it.
that's the next thing to try, but I guess I'll make sure I'm not next to
the hard disk at that time :-)


>>-- 
>>          Vince Skahan                          vince@halcyon.com (here)
>>    vince@atc.boeing.com (work)             vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (home)

-- 
          Vince Skahan				vince@halcyon.com (here)
    vince@atc.boeing.com (work)		    vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (home)
From: butler@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler)
Subject: Re: Can't compile xloadimage with gcc 2.2.2d
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:59:54 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10762]: rex

I tried:

gcc -static -V 2.2.2 -s -o xloadimage xloadimage.a -lXext -lX11 -lm

and got the same result:

ld: No such file or directory for libXext.a

?????
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga)
Subject: Re: A few basic questions...
Keywords: bootimage, shoelace, lilo
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:21:52 GMT

In article <7873@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> liebgold@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Dan M. Liebgold) writes:
>I have a few questions that probably been answered, but not in the FAQ.
>First, is the only way to get the kernel for shoelace to grab the
>source and compile it yourself? 

No, grab a bootimage of your choice (like from tsx-11), then copy it
to /vmlinux or /etc/Image or whatever.  If you have the bootimage on a
dos floppy (not a rawritten floppy) you can use mtools or the dosfs to
copy it to your linux partition.  If the only copy you have has already
been rawritten to a boot disk then you might be able to use dd to get
it off, but I'm not certain.

After copying the bootimage, use rdev to change the root partition
(eg., rdev /vmlinux /dev/hda2 to boot off of the second partition on
drive C:). Then use shoelace or lilo to install the boot image.  I
think there's a different program on the rootdisk to change boot
partition information, but I forget the name, rdev's on the
MCC-interim.
-- 
Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga                            zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Dept. of Physiology & Biophysics                   University of Cincinnati
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Hey!  Linux fs on DOS partition!
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:45:48 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

Hey, here's a cool idea I had yesterday: Make a Linux filesystem
driver that puts its filesystem in a file on an MS-LOSS partition.
Why?  Because there are undoubtedly a lot of people out there who'd
like to try Linux, but aren't willing to completely back up their
hard disk, repartition, and restore.  But they might be willing to
free up some disk space.

No, I have neither the time nor expertise to implement it.

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>  I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
Crynwr Software            Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St.               315-268-1925 Voice
Potsdam, NY 13676          315-268-9201 FAX
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: glover@dvinci.USask.Ca (Ken Glover)
Subject: Re: SLS: Free Linux Distribution.
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:50:52 GMT

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
: Peter MacDonald (pmacdona@sanjuan) wrote:
: 
: : Linux is already available from a distribution service (commercial 
: : found at the end since none of you will want to use it).
: 
: I don't think that c.o.l is the place to be putting advertisments for
: commercial ventures, which is what this is.  Take it to the biz. groups.
: 
: Ordinarily, I wouldn't care, but this gets on my nerves, and NSFnet (and
: other gateways) get unhappy about commercial advertisments on non-commercial
: newsgroups.

Read the original post again, it is available by anon ftp if you have access.
There is nothing wrong with distributing it by disk.  If you don't like it,
compete with it.

Ken Glover
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jhuang@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Jing Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Need Help: MGR
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:56:49 GMT
Organization: Kent State University


	First of all, I want to thank all of you who responded to my posting:
"Need Help: TeX". Well, the solution for "can't find the default font" can
not be simpler, all I had to do was giving the relevant directories the right
access mode.

	Now my Tex is running fine. But I would like to see the DVI file using
MGR. I have two problems:

	(1) MGR opens windows and exit them fine. But I can not "clear" the
windows. I ftp'ed the mgr-man.out from bellcore.com and use the sample termcap
for my mgr entry in /etc/termcap. It still does not clear the window. Why?

	(2) The Makefile for texmgr needs /mgr/include. But neither the 
linuxmgr.tar.Z (This is the one I used to install MGR) nor the mgr.tar.Z from
tsx-11.mit.edu has the include directory. So where can I go to get the files
for /mgr/include?

	Again, many thanks in advance.

--
Jing Huang  |  jhuang@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu
Department of Physics
Kent State University
Kent, OH 44242
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: al838@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Grabowski)
Subject: another request
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 01:12:31 GMT


Okay, I'll make this one short (promise!).

I would appreciate it if someone could uuencode and mail me a copy of ln.
I've looked all over for it (I am using decwrl - no FTP) and can't find it
anywhere.  And I don't feel like getting the .97 root disk just for 1 small
file.  FYI, I'm using .97 kernel (no patches ..yet)

Thanks (again)

-Scott (who has 1 week until he's back at CMU, and has FTP access!! 8-)
-- 
Eric Grabowski, WA8HEB            al838@cleveland.freenet.edu 
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: welshm@mirage.rtp.dg.com (Matt Welsh)
Subject: New address
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:35:07 GMT
Reply-To: welsh@odin.ncssm.edu
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

My e-mail address is changing to welsh@odin.ncssm.edu TEMPORARILY.
Upon arrival at Cornell in the next few weeks, it will change again,
but until then please send all mail through to welsh@odin.ncssm.edu.

The address for Linux bug reports (ml-linux-bugs@dg-rtp.dg.com) is still 
active for the time being. 

Thanks a lot,
mdw

Matt Welsh    welsh@odin.ncssm.edu
UNIX-SQA, Data General Corporation RTP          Office: +1 919 248 6070
  "Where's the KABOOM?! There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering KABOOM!!"
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: scott@natinst.com (Scott A. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Few Questions
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Summary: nice and fsck -y
Keywords: nice, fsck
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:53:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.030814.18259@utstat.uucp> rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student)) writes:
>Hi and kudos to all Linuxers!
>I have few questions regarding Linux and lots of thanks
>for it (system). 
>1) Why can't I use *effectivelly* setterm as regular user?
>I've set it suid!

Dunno. It works fine for me (0.96c pl 2).

>2) (did ask it before but no answer...) Why does (re)nice
>in top seem to work au reverse (ie renicing the process
>-19 seemes to speed it up, +14 slows it a lot)

This is standard behavior for nice.  Lower values have higher priority, higher
values have lower priority.  Sort of counter-intuitive, but I believe this
scheme follows the method used by the scheduler to prioritize processes. This
isn't unique to Linux; SunOS and AIX nice are similar.

>3)What do the options to fsck mean? I couldn't find a man
>page for it and one on *this* (university) system is
>inapropiate.

I don't know. I haven't played with fsck options much, and I don't have my
Linux box nearby to look and see what's available.  I do know that -y means
fix everything without asking any questions (in other words, answer "yes"
to all of fsck's questions when it tries to fix the filesystem). This is
usually a pretty safe option to use.

> My system is 0.96cpl2 with new setterm and ps-0.96c1
> package.
>
> Once again thanks!
>				Rafal
>-- 
>/|| Numbers exist only in our minds. There is no physical entity that
> ||_is_ number 1. If there were, 1 would be in a place of honor in 
> || some great museum of science, and past it would file a steady
>==== stream of mathematicians gazing at 1 in wonder and awe.


-- 
Scott Taylor            |
(512) 795-6837          | "Well, I wanted to work with gymnasts." -David Byrne
scott@natinst.com       |
** NI pays me to write their code, not their opinions, and that's what I do **
From: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: The Third Degree
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:03:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

sharman@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Sharman) writes:

>So, if one is installing a new init for example, what is the "proper"
>way to do it?   Go ahead and then "fsck",  kill init and reboot,
>or what?  I don't quite know what the "being more careful"
>really means here.

I recommend renaming the running files to init.OLD, etc.  Then put the
new versions up.  Then reboot.  At that point the new ones will be
running, so you can rm the old ones.  No file system problems will be
created.
From: E59387@TRMETU.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: New comer.HELP ME|
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:23:33 GMT
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center


        Hi,
        I want to get Linux from a ftp site and install it.But when I look at
   the directories, there are a lot of directories , files  and  versions.I'm
   really confused about this.Can you help  me about which files should I get
   and how to install them to run Linux.Or can anybody send me a running copy
   of Linux.

   THANKS IN ADVANCE.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rogerl@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Roger Lundberg)
Subject: Booting
Summary: Problem when trying to boot (ET4000 conflict?)
Keywords: ET4000,Linux
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:29:53 GMT

Hi !
I have a problem. Linux bootimage-0.97 won't boot for me. I insert it and
it starts to load but after awhile I get prompted:

  Hit <RETURN> to see SVGA-modes available or any other key to continue.

Well if I hit <RET>, it prints Mode: COLSxROWS and hangs. And if I hit any 
other key the machine just hangs. (With -hangs- I mean that the only thing it
will respond to is the three-finger-salute or the programmers button :-)

Now I wonder is the problem with:
a) Linux (I don't think so)
b) The ET4000 graphics board 
c) Me

Any clues out there ?

The machine I'm using is 486 w/4MB mem 130MB hd and said ET4000
From: csg203@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Bluebeard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus security/Non root access
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:26:36 GMT
Organization: Elf Bashers Anonymous

In article <1992Aug21.020626.20221@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Frank Pikelner (frank@cs.yorku.ca) wrote:
>
>: I'd like to find out if it is possible to say install several machines to run
>: Linux and allow the public to use them. The problem I'm trying to resolve is I
>: need the machines to have access to a floppy drive, but I do not want anyone
>: to be able to boot the machine using their own floppy, and maybe gain access as
>: root. 
>: 
>: One solution I can think of is getting a machine that has a password protected
>: BIOS, and allows the change in the boot order with the hard drive first. I would
>: love to hear other ideas, if any do exist.
>
>Hmmm...you could hack the loader to refuse to load the kernel from
>diskette - that might be easier than spending the $$$ to get a machine with
>a password protected BIOS.  If someone booted MS-DOS from a diskette,
>it wouldn't do them any good, anyway, 'cause you can't read a linux
>partition from MS-DOS.  Not yet, anyway... :)

But that wouldn't stop someone with linux/minix boot and root file system 
disks, booting from floppy and then mounting the hard disk.

The protected BIOS is the only real answer unless the linux partition was
encoded in some way that only the 'official' kernel could read.


-- 
***********************************************************************
* FLESH: Charlie Freckleton * JANET: csg203@uk.ac.cov.cck             * 
* ALIAS: Bluebeard          * or   : stliaise@uk.ac.cov.cck           * 
***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Dan McGuirk)
Subject: Re: Motif Window Manager on Linux??
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Reply-To: mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Dan McGuirk)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:51:03 GMT

In article <zhao.714325741@unixg.ubc.ca> zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao) writes:
>mwm comes with SLS package, and it is working. You can find SLS package at
>tsx-11.mit.edu.

Are the mwm binaries available separately on some ftp site?  Or, could
you at least tell which disk(s) of the SLS package contain mwm?
Although I'd like to take a look at SLS, I don't have time to download
the entire 15-disk distribution, only to get only one program that I
actually need...



--
Dan McGuirk                                      mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Why GNU cp is flakey under Linux
Organization: The Internet
	<1992Aug12.053539.14825@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Aug12.060338.24805@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
	<1992Aug12.063534.4178@muddcs.claremont.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:02:59 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 06:35:34 GMT, jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu
>>>>> (Jim Winstead Jr.) said:

Jim> Not necessarily true - GNU cp contains the optimization that it will
Jim> use lseek() to 'write' holes in a file instead of writing out all the
Jim> individual null bits.  This is what causes shoelace to break for some
Jim> people.  I'm not sure what effect this has on copying to a floppy with
Jim> the cp command - but I *know* dd is safe.

An examination of the source code shows that GNU cp only performs this
optimization if it thinks that the original file also had holes.  The
way GNU cp determines this is by comparing the number of blocks used
with the actual file size.  Furthermore, it only does this when it is
compiled without ST_BLOCKS_MISSING defined.  Note that the kernel is
created by build and does not have any holes.

So if your cp is creating holes ROUTINELY then:

* fstat is broken and returns incorrect values for st_blocks, or
* you manually defined an incorrect value of DEV_BSIZE (i.e. too small)

Here is the relevant code from GNU cp.c:

+-----
| #ifndef ST_BLOCKS_MISSING
|   if (S_ISREG (sb.st_mode))
|     {
|       /* Find out whether the file contains any sparse blocks. */
|
|       if (fstat (source_desc, &sb))
| 	  {
| 	    error (0, errno, "%s", src_path);
| 	    return_val = -1;
| 	    goto ret;
| 	  }
|
|      /* If the file has fewer blocks than would normally
| 	  be needed for a file of its size, then
| 	  at least one of the blocks in the file is a hole. */
|         if (S_ISREG (sb.st_mode) &&
| 	    sb.st_size - (sb.st_blocks * DEV_BSIZE) >= DEV_BSIZE)
| 	  make_holes = 1;
|     }
| #endif
+-----
--
Rick Sladkey
jrs@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Epstein@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
Subject: C-A-D and AMI BIOS works shutdown
Reply-To: Epstein@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:47:13 GMT

I have a 386 which will fail 100 per cent of the time to C-A-D with
shutdown (admutils-1.1) called as 'halt'.

It works 100 per cent of time as shutdown.

It even works 100 per cent of the time as shutdown -q now

Reading the source, would have thought shutdown -q now equivalent to
halt --- motherboard and AMI BIOS don't think so.

BTW:  reboot fails 100 per cent of the time.

shutdown is the first routine to completely work with AMI NCS BIOS.

C-A-D without executing any of the three, just sync works 10 to 50 per
cent of time depending on kernel from 0.12 thru 0.97pl1.5

John
From: pdp@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Paul Douglas Page)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus security/Non root access
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:16:58 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Aug21.051117.17172@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> platt@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Crouton Man) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.020626.20221@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>:Frank Pikelner (frank@cs.yorku.ca) wrote:
>:
>:: I'd like to find out if it is possible to say install several machines to run
>:: Linux and allow the public to use them. The problem I'm trying to resolve is I
>:: need the machines to have access to a floppy drive, but I do not want anyone
>:: to be able to boot the machine using their own floppy, and maybe gain access as
>:: root. 

Is it esential to have floppy access? I simply run my public access machine with out a floppy drive and do all the maintenance from a remote system across a serial line, seems to work o.k.

 -paul.