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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: NEXP RULES!
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In article <1hrdc3INN70c@ub.d.umn.edu> Jeffrey K. Boleman,
jboleman@ub.d.umn.edu writes:
>My Top Ten Comments or Opinions for the month
>
>2.  What's the deal with Chris doing Isuzu trooper comercials?

The deal?  He is probably getting a lot o' money for his voice overs
(irony: a man who had a studdering problem is now doing voice overs for
national comercials).  Hey, if Turner can do Lumina spots, what's wrong
with Corbett doing Trooper ads.

>4.  What does Ed do and where does he live (or who with)?

Ed hangs around and does odd jobs to earn money to fund his film career. 
He worked for Holling and Maurice, but now he has a regular job working
for Ruth-Ann at the store.  His other role is as the unofficial tour
guide of Cicely.  He live in a 1 bedroom (or is it one room) place that
is attached to another house, maybe the house of the family that raised
him when he was abandoned... you have to go back to the second season
episode "The Big Kiss" to be sure.

>6.  I guess they quit the sweatshirt adds.

Boy do I have some news on the sweat shirt ads... read the following
posts.

>8.  We all loved Goose from Top Gun, but Bubble Man sucks.

What really disappointed me about the 1/4 episode "Survival of the
Species" was that Ed could have commented on the fact that when Mike
rubbed that 'bad' tomato on his arm, there was no reaction.  Ed could
have stopped filming (as he did) and walkout of that bubble home more
confused that he was when he walked in with the dilema of having the
knowledge that the sky is falling, but with the image that Mike might be
a little full of it.

>9.  I hope Maggie and Joel never get together because:

Well, they will physically get together in February, but that's about it.
    
>    b.  I think Joel could find someone better.

Where?
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From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:02:57 GMT

In article <93008.083001IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>, <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio writes:
|> Am I alone in liking this episode? I didn't LOVE it, but I did appreciate
|> it. We have to keep remembering that these characters are exaggerations,
|> most of the time; as a feminist, a woman working in a MAN's world, I
|> identified with Maggie's anger. I've HAD Maggie's anger. I've even gone
|> off the deep end and ranted in a similar fashion. And believe it or not,
|> for the most part, the reaction you get from most males is the one so
|> humorously portrayed on NEX. Actually, you get that reaction regardless
|> of whether you're calm and rationally upset, or ranting and ballistic.
|> 
|> Maggie's snarling was just as funny as Joel's wide-eyed confusion.
|> As for Maurice, his bigotry is wearing a little thin for me, funny-wise.
|> I wasn't expecting Maggie to give him a philosophical or political
|> argument about what a total ass he was, but at least she could have
|> told him to SHUT UP.
|> 
|> Best line was Chris', at the close of the show... about women using their
|> intuition... does someone have the exact quote for me???
|> 
|> jo
|> (and why couldn't i stop looking at Chris' thighs??)
|> 

I believe it was

   Women use reason to justify their intuition.  --G. K. Chesterton



Mary Lee
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From: eberg@chinet.chi.il.us (Erik Arthur Berg)
Subject: Jan. 4th episode
Followup-To: eberg@chinet.chi.il.usa
Summary: c'mon people, lighten up
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:34:45 GMT


    I LIKED this episode.  None of the people in Cicely have to be real
for me.  They're caricatures.  They are counterpoint to whatever the
theme of the week is.  That is the only thing I didn't like about last
night; Ed and Mike didn't blend in with the rest of the stortyline.  
I always think of this show like a fugue.  The meditation for the
episode is the basso continuo and the dialogue between characters 
is the melodic exploration.  The first season was more of a typical
t.v. show albeit with a lot of eccentricity but it has evolved into a
deeper, more thoughtful thing.  Chris's quotes aren't gratuitous or 
showing off.  He is the greek chorus.  He annoys me once in a while 
but it's usually because the way he delivers his lines indicates to me 
that he didn't get the significance.  I thought the kid last night,
however improbable his appearance there, was handled with integrity and
added a lot.  It doesn't always work but it always touches me and makes
me THINK.  That is rare on t.v.

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From: hcbarth@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Bart Bartholomew)
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Subject: Re: Climate in Cicely
Date: 10 Jan 93 06:46:02 GMT
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	I note that in the 1/4 episode, someone (Maggie?) 
remarked that they were too far south for permafrost.
	BartB
-- 
"I'll need a sample."  "Come again?"  "No, once is enough." Joel<-> Holling
If there's one thing I just can't stand, it's intolerance.
*No One* is responsible for my views, I'm a committee. Please do not
infer that which I do not imply.  hcbarth@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Going to Extremes
Keywords: Going to Extremes, same producers
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:15:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.064223.19282@hubcap.clemson.edu> jchung@hubcap.clemson.edu (Joe Chung) writes:
>Sorry for the non-"Northern Exposure" show but I just had to ask:
>
>1) What do you think of this show, produced by the same folks that
>produce "Northern E
I watch it, but IMHO it falls short of what I expect from NX.  I think
Falsey/Brand should have focused on NX.

Simon

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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
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In article <revillot-050193090709@mm-mac19.mse.uiuc.edu> Judy Tolliver,
revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>Do the writers hate environmentalists and feminists?  I found last
night's
>episode to be insulting.  It did not come across to me as tongue in cheek
>or ironic at all.  (What am I going to do with the Northern Exposure
>teeshirt I got for Christmas?)
>
>--Judy Tolliver

What I didn't understand it how stupid the men acted when Maggie was
ranting and raving?  It is so easy to debate a revisionist down to
nothing, especially a feminist one, I am surprised Joel or Maurice didn't
take Maggie on.

As for other oddities?  I almost lost it when I saw Maurice with Rin and
Eric (I believe those are the names of the two homosexuals who run the
bed and breakfast) just being together, but it was apparent Maurice
didn't go through any major character change, as displayed when he made
that fairy comment to Maggie.

And, I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I don't think that Maggie's
ripping the contract is a legal way out of the aggrement... from the way
Maurice was acting, it looked like she did sign it.

As for the writers hating evironmentalists and feminists, I think that is
very false, considering the background of the producers.  They probably
are afraid of being labeled as being too far to the left...  From what I
can see, they have to play to their large 'conservative' following.  A
Satelite TV magazine had a readers poll which named NX the best one hour
show along with Rush Limbaugh as best TV personality.  Seeing the
character of Mike and the actions of Maggie, I could see why
environmentalists and feminists would be angered by the over the top
nature of the characters.  I could go on about how NX is the most
moderate TV show on the tube, but I won't, unless someone is interested.
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From: Mike.Peacock@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Peacock)
Subject: Raven T-Shirts
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:35:55 GMT

Please forgive me if this has already been asked, but does anyone know where
to get one of those cool T-shirts with the raven on the front that Ed
frequently wears ?  I would appreciate any posts/replies of places where I
could mail order them from.  Thanks.

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Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 08:30:00 MST
From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio
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Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
 <1993Jan5.213908.11064@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Am I alone in liking this episode? I didn't LOVE it, but I did appreciate
it. We have to keep remembering that these characters are exaggerations,
most of the time; as a feminist, a woman working in a MAN's world, I
identified with Maggie's anger. I've HAD Maggie's anger. I've even gone
off the deep end and ranted in a similar fashion. And believe it or not,
for the most part, the reaction you get from most males is the one so
humorously portrayed on NEX. Actually, you get that reaction regardless
of whether you're calm and rationally upset, or ranting and ballistic.

Maggie's snarling was just as funny as Joel's wide-eyed confusion.
As for Maurice, his bigotry is wearing a little thin for me, funny-wise.
I wasn't expecting Maggie to give him a philosophical or political
argument about what a total ass he was, but at least she could have
told him to SHUT UP.

Best line was Chris', at the close of the show... about women using their
intuition... does someone have the exact quote for me???

jo
(and why couldn't i stop looking at Chris' thighs??)
From: mark.schumann@pcohio.wariat.org (Mark Schumann) 
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Subject: Re: Historical accuracy o
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:29:00 GMT
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Judy Tolliver wrote:

JT!Wasn't Maggie one of the cheerleaders for opening the box that went around
  !the world, bugging Fleishman about not having enough curiosity?   Never
  !mind that the curious doctor poked around RuthAnn's archives for info on
  !the former inhabitant of his house, etc.....

Either way, though, the men came off as legalistic.  Maurice (and Joel)
thought the archaelogical dig was okay because there was a contract.
Joel didn't want to open the box because it would violate postal
regulations.  Joel felt justified in going through RuthAnn's archives
because they were public property (in RuthAnn's role as town clerk
or whatever title).

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From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:15:15 GMT
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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In alt.tv.northern-exp, pwy6d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Phil Yarrington (SG)) writes:

> In article <1993Jan5.175208.16377@mlb.semi.harris.com> mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com writes:
> >
> >I didn't like last nights episode either...
> >Maggie was out of control, much more so that her normal self.
> >I can understand her desire to put the artifacts back and
> >make her point about women being more that what men think
> >they are, but she was too wacko about the whole thing.
> >Both Joel and Chris agreed with what she was doing yet she
> >bit their heads off.  I didn't understand why she had such rage.
> >
> Well said!
> The comments that Joel and Chris made did not at all appear to be
> condescending (sp?), and she had no right to give them so much sh*t
> about what they said.

I found the most irritating thing about Maggie in this episode
was her insitence that Anne B. showed a courage in the face
of execution that a man would never have.  This is in contradiction
to historical documentation, amongst which are anecdotes related
by Barbara Tuchman in _The Proud Tower_ that tell a number
of stories about the defiance of male anarchists in the face of
execution.  Maggie was engaging in a lie to suggest that women
are more courageous than men.  This despite the fact that Anne
B's gesture had a style and flair that transcended mere bravery.

I found myself annoyed by Maggie to the extreme and I did wonder
why the writers were trying so hard to maximize controversy
and minimize understanding.  I thought her ragging on Chris
was a definite indication that they were not trying for
understanding.  But is was rather funny to see Chris get
snapped at.

But the dream sequence DID show her basic vulnerability, and
it MAY have been the source of some of the extremity of her
anger.  She was extreme because she saw her own weakness,
vulnerability, and tendency to give it, and it frightened her
into an extreme reaction.

>  Of course she does that to Joel all the time
> anyway for no apparent reason.  I think she was blaming the men in
> Cicely (or men in general for that matter) for her own insecurity.  I
> don't think her anger at men is justified here.  Maybe if she was just
> mad at Maurice for taking over her yard, that would have been
> acceptable.  He can be a bit pushy at times.  I'd just like to say
> (before I get flamed) that I am not anti-feminist), but Maggie was way
> out of line.

But she prompted discussion...

doug
From: shari@omar.WPI.EDU (Shari Deiana)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Barry Corbin on Designing Women
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:56:47 GMT
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I caught an old episode of Designing Women the other night, where Charlene
and Bill were married.  Barry Corbin played Charlene's father, did anyone
else see this?
From: gannon@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Mark Andrew Gannon)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Ed on Arsenio, with a look into the future?
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:05:17 GMT

hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu (H. Nunes) writes:

>I have a question about the clip Arsenio showed from NX before Darren E.
>Burrows came on.

>Ed, Shelly, and One Who Waits were at the bar in the Brick in the clip. 
>One Who Waits appeared in "The Big Kiss," the problem is that I don't
>think the clip was not from that episode.  So I will One Who Waits make
>another appearence on NX, maybe next week? (Yeah!!)  Or am I completely
>wrong and that scene was in the episode titled "The Big Kiss."

Yes, sadly the folks at NExp feel it's necessary to repeat anything that
got good reviews.  I read a description of the (then-) coming season in
September, and it sounded like "last season revisited."  So we'll see
One Who Waits again.  
I really hope this show starts to pick up soon, or I'll have an extra
hour a week, plus the time I spend on this newsgroup.
New ideas were what made the first 2 seasons of NExp great, and this
season we've seen rehashing of old ones, plus a terrible new idea: Mike
the Bubble Guy.

It's really frustrating to watch this one die like most other decent TV
(or TV that had a chance to be decent, like Star Drek: the Same Old
Story).  Is "the Simpsons" to be the only tolerable 30 minutes of TV
programming with continuing characters?

I think there's room for more than one.
I apologize for the wiling and gnashing of teeth in this posting.  I
think it suffers from the same ailment as NExp: I introduced no new
thoughts in this posting.  I'm going to go through with sending it
anyway, but I'll try to make future posts more thoughtful and less
bitchy.  

--Mark 
  :-b

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From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:53:45 GMT

dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:

>In article <rizzoe.616.726244287@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>>Finally, I was troubled by the fact that Maurice made an anti-gay comment
>>to Maggie and went unchallenged.

I think she put it aside in her amazement that Maurice was assuming she'd
gladly accept his taking over.

>Good point, i hadn't thought of this.  But in hindsight, the writers put the
>gay men w/ the other men at the end.  The gay men had just as much trouble
>understanding what the women were doing as the straight men.  Talk about
>blasting stereotypes!  It gave them more manhood than Maurice would grant them.

It was interesting that Ed and Mike weren't in the group of men and weren't
part of the domination of Maggie's front yard at all.  I never think of
either of them as being domineering in the least.

And Chris and Joel were there.  I'm thinking Maggie blew up at each of
them out of frustration at realising that, regardless of their take on
her choices, she was actually there to get approval from them.

--
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--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
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From: pwy6d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Phil Yarrington (SG))
Subject: Re: Why I Liked Survival of the Species
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:25:13 GMT

In article <5JAN199310512341@cc.utah.edu> pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN) writes:
(Stuff deleted)
>
>5) Though the kid was a "type", I thought his discussion with
>Chris and his interaction with Shelley provided some interesting
>material to think about.
>
The character of Shelly never ceases to amuse me.  I was just about on
the floor when the kid said "Nice hooters" and instead of looking
surprised, Shelley simply smiled and said, "Thanks"

I kind of liked the kid until his talk with Chris and Chris just about
condoned a life of crime.  Not that he would condemn anyone (or
anything), that just wouldn't be Chris.  But I would think after
Chris' run in with a second prison term, he would have had something
better to say to the kid.

-phil
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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:53:47 GMT

il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:

> m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran) writes:
> 
> [re:Maggie]
> > She's usually much more normal than last night.  And why didn't she say 
> > anything after Ruth-Ann went on about giving birth, cooking and sewing.  
> > That was a great chance for her to talk about how being a women does not 
> > necessarily include those things.  Instead, she stared down Joel for no 
> > reason whatsoever, other than that he is a man.
> 
> I disagree.  I think that Maggie really hates all men and needs to find
> new ways and excuses to do so.  It wasn't really about feminism, it was
> just another cloak she tried on for a while.  I really like Maggie's
> character, but I would run the other way if I ever met someone like her.
> 
> -- 
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Normally, I dislike continued public discussions, but I thoroughly 
disagree!

How can you say that Maggie doesn't like men after all of the icky stuff 
she's done with Mike this season?  What about the episode last year with 
the bear/man?  What about all of her ex-boyfriends?

I think that Maggie has general animosity to some men (namely Joel and 
Maurice) but that she likes men in general.  She's even friends with 
Chris.  I could go on but I think that these few examples prove that 
Maggie totally over reacted and just lost it.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: mark.schumann@pcohio.wariat.org (Mark Schumann) 
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Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:18:00 GMT
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!Joel's
!coming out to tell Marilyn to get a file (and then interpreting their
!looking at him without moving as their being somehow domineering),

I don't think he found it "domineering."  More like "accusatory."
His face bore an expression of "What?  What did I do?"

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From: jollie@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey C. Ollie)
Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:33:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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In article <C0rq35.5Hy@athena.cs.uga.edu>, heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Terrance Heath) wrote:
> 
> 	I know Norther Exposure has featured gay characters before.
> There was even a male couple that actually bought a house IN Cicely,
> and moved there. They haven't been seen since.

The two archaeologists from the 1/4 episode were homosexual.  Just after
Maurice introduces them to Maggie, he starts talking about their
"temperment"
vs. their "upper body strength" in a low voice.  Perhaps these are the same
people.

Jeff Ollie
jollie@herky.cs.uiowa.edu
"The Happy User"
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