HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Flight International
Summary: addresses and phone numbers for aviation rags
Keywords: Budgie News
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:04:47 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Oct5.200843.19415@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>
>	My favourite aviation mag. was always "Flight International",
>	Unfortunately, I can't seem to find in this neck of the woods.
>	Could somebody send me subscription info?
>
>	Alec Chambers.

Geoff, please add anything you don't already have to the FAQ.

Air Progress
ISSN 0002-2500
(818) 760-8983 (subscriptions)

Flight International
ISSN 0015-3170
Reed Business Publishing
Quadrant House, The Quadrant
Sutton, Surrey SM2 5AS, England

Flying
ISSN 0504-930
(800) 678-0797 (subscriptions)
(203) 622-2700 (editor)

Plane & Pilot
ISSN 0032-0617
(800) 283-4330 (subscriptions)
(310) 820-1500 (publisher)

Private Pilot
ISSN 0032-8901
(303) 447-9330 (subscriptions)

Sport Aviation (EAA published magazine for members only)
ISSN 0038-7835
(800) 322-2414 (membership information)
(414) 426-4800 (main office)

Trade A Plane 
(615) 484-5137


World Air Power Journal
ISSN 0959-7050
Aerospace Publishing Limited
FREEPOST
PO BOX 2822
W6 0BR, UK (no stamp in mailed in UK)

USA & Canada
Airtime Publishing Inc
Subscription Dept
10 Bay Street
Westport, CT 06880
USA


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From: hwcco@chevron.com (Bill Corea)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:37:25 GMT
Reply-To: hwcco@chevron.com (Bill Corea)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron Overseas Petroleum Inc

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:17:26 GMT, rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland) said:
> 
> Rob> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
> 
> >I'd expect to see the B-2 and the F-117, with the latter possibly
> >flying in like last year.  C-17, MC-130, Sherpa, A-7, F-16, F-15,
> >A-37, B-52, KC-135, Hueys, and a few other planes from the Air
> >Force on static display.  F-15,F-16, A-7 aerial routines.  X-31,
> >X-29, NB-52B, F-18, SR-71 from Dryden.  Last year they had an
> >F-14 aerial routine, too.
> 
> Rob> Also an Aurora low pass, low speed fly by.
> 

This may be a __real__ stupid question, but is there any hard
information on "Aurora"? Is it an SR-71 follow on? U-2 replacement?
Is Lockheed the contractor? Why is there air?

I was in Laguna Beach last week and experienced an "Aurora-quake" 
one morning. If this was an Aurora-caused shockwave, why are
they flying such a super-secret plane in daylight?  To take
pictures of Cuba? 

Early F-117A flights were all at night. They lost a few because of
that.



Bill Corea                     Chevron Overseas Petroleum         
hwcco@chevron.com     San Ramon, California
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<SHAFER.92Oct4144825@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> <rob.718330646@blacks>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:59:47 GMT

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:17:26 GMT, rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland) said:

Rob> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

>I'd expect to see the B-2 and the F-117, with the latter possibly
>flying in like last year.  C-17, MC-130, Sherpa, A-7, F-16, F-15,
>A-37, B-52, KC-135, Hueys, and a few other planes from the Air
>Force on static display.  F-15,F-16, A-7 aerial routines.  X-31,
>X-29, NB-52B, F-18, SR-71 from Dryden.  Last year they had an
>F-14 aerial routine, too.

Rob> Also an Aurora low pass, low speed fly by.

Yeah, right.  They're going to let me ride in it, too.

Uh-huh.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jpd@ucs.usl.edu (Dugal James P.)
Subject: New Canadian Snowbird airshow freq
Summary: 246.5
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:21:44 GMT

New Snowbird frequency copied at Lafayette, La. 9/27/92
246.500 Mhz

This was not in the previous set of twenty that have been
circulated.

73 de n5off@w5ddl.aara.org
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: feith@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Reply-To: feith@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:44:08 GMT

I have been to the Mojave Airport where the graveyard is located.
It is really awesome.  The General Manager is Mr. Dan Sabovich,
a legend in his own time.  He will be very happy for you to drop
by.  He runs the Civilian Flight Test Center there.  Hollywood
makes quite a few films there and Dan has some great stories.
His number is (805)824-2433.  If you are there and he isn't, see
if you can visit his office, the walls are covered with some of
the most unusual and unique pictures and plaques, it's almost like
museum. --

I hope this goes through, I've never used a net before.
I'm a Naval Aerospace Physiologist stationed at the Naval Medical



Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
S. J. Feith------------FLY NAVY and civil too!!
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Posters
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:05:52 GMT

dworden@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Paul Worden) writes:

>I am interested in obtaining any kind of military aircraft poster, squadron
>patches or any other pertinent objects.  Please respond via this newsgroup or
>e-mail me at dworden@cwis.unomaha.edu


Well, DAve, you can go to Star Realm here in Omaha Nebraska...they have
pathes and sorts for you to buy.  They have a very wide selection..because
of that you have to ask to see all of them...they have two boxes full of
patches and some on display.  I'm not sure if they have posters, but you can
go to a book store or some hobby shop and see if they have any.


--
|Jeffrey S. Jo                   |	         F-14D Tomcat                 |
|Computer Operations		 |             VF-142 Ghostriders             |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha |       United States Navy F-14 Tomcat       |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu         |              Fighter Squadron              |
From: kim.lester@the-matrix.com (Kim Lester) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: AVIATION BBS
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: kim.lester@the-matrix.com (Kim Lester) 

HELP
IS THERE A BBS OUT THERE TO HELP FIND OUT INFORMATION ON US JET AIRCRAFT
I AMA MOLDER OF JET AIRCRAFT AND I AM HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THE DETALE
I NEED. I WOULD LIKE TO COMBIND MY LOVE OF COMPUTERS AND MODELING.
IF YOU KNOW OF A DATABASE OR BBS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK MIGHT
HELP PLEASE SEND MESSAGE TO KIM LESTER IN THIS CONFERENCE THANKS FOR
YOUR HELP KIN LESTER BHAM AL
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:03:50 GMT
	<SHAFER.92Oct4144825@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> <rob.718330646@blacks>
	<1992Oct6.195147.20991@pony.Ingres.COM>
	<SHAFER.92Oct6133404@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
	<1992Oct6.232022.6517@pony.Ingres.CO
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

On 6 Oct 92 23:20:22 GMT, kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) said:

K> In article <SHAFER.92Oct6133404@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

>Er, Edwards is in Southern California.  We're south of the Tehachapi
>Mountains, and that's SoCal.  I should know; I've lived in Lancaster
>since 1961.

K> OK, Mary, you got me.  I was thinking Moffet (haven't the foggiest 
K> why...), and given all the enjoyable posts of yours that I've read I
K> naturally assumed you were a properly civilised (Northern) Californian!

I'm not going to address the latter half of your comment, except to
note that I was a Northern Californian from 1951 to 1961 and I'm not
going back, but I'm going to suggest that the Subject: line may have
some influence on your thinking.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: anderson@zymurgy.bms.com (Jay Anderson)
Subject: four bar scan???
Organization: BMS Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:03:58 GMT

In several books I have read, I have come across the term "four bar scan" with
regard to a fighters radar.  What is it?

Thanks,

--
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 05:22:25 GMT

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:17:26 GMT, rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland) said:
Rob> Also an Aurora low pass, low speed fly by.
In article <SHAFER.92Oct5175952@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
(Mary Shafer) writes:
>Yeah, right.  They're going to let me ride in it, too.
	;^)

Plane?
What plane?
I didn't see any plane.
You didn't see any plane.
Who's asking?  They show an ID?  They have a need to know?
There's no plane.
			"I just follow orders like the simple
			soldier I am."  --G. Patton
We neither confirm nor deny.

Actually I liked the Stealth bomber on display at Castle AFB.
Sitting there on those three sunny pads next to numerous other planes.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
From: ch491@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pj Pisczak)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Subject: Subaru Power?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:57:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Not wanting to ignite the aircraft vs auto engine controversey I
would like to add the following observations.  Aircraft engines,
in all reality have been optimized for their function, although
that is not to say they have been really modernized since their
advent in the 1930s with new materials and technology.
	Most auto engines, with the exception of high power/low
utility function (reads as stunt or acrobatic planes), do not
lend themselves to general aircraft application, although it can
and is regularly done.  The exception to my opinion on this point
is the flat engines, those being the Corvair, Volkwagon, and
Subaru.  Just as 2 cycle snowmobile engines where thought never
to have a chance in small homebuilts and ultralights, I believe
there will always be some resistance to autoengine adaptions.
	Having owned 4 Subarus' (also Fords, Buicks, Pontiacs,
Opals, Dodges, and Volkswagons), and having rebuilt and regulary
worked on the engines, I believe it to be well suited to small
aircraft.  They pack easily under the cowling, exhaust well and
can be adapted to prop reduction packages.
	There are a number of important downsides to consider:
The first is rubber toothed valve timing belts.  They break, the
engine stops.  They should be changed often, no greater than half
the service interval Subaru recommends.  Radiator cooling is very
important and in more ways than just the obvious.  Without proper
cooling AND waterflow those little aluminum engines really like
to warp-I've done it.  Adverse torsional vibrations can and have
killed engines in very short periods of time (under 10 seconds).
Here is where a good prop reduction drive manufacturer can help.
I met an Austrilian vendor at Oshkosh 2 years ago who seemed
conservative and had a large number of aircraft flying with his
reduction drive on Subaru engines.  Info can be gotten from:

	Wicks Aircraft Supplies	  or	Amax Engineering
	410 Pine Street			5 Ultrecht crt, Donvale
	Highland, Ill. 62249		Victoria,3111, Austrailia
	1-800-221-9425			613-842-3132
	fax 618-654-6253           fax  613-841-8177

My latest turbo charged Subaru conked out on the way home from
vacation this last summer.  Originally we thought it was the
timing belts, but it turned out to be the computer at a cost
of about $800.  Choose an engine with the minimum of electronics.
	My apologies to the NET for the length of time huge
topic.  I obviously favor the engine, but not without some con-
cerns.  If you have any doubt get a good aircraft engine, they
have a long history of reliability while most home brews have
a history of one.  Now be careful out there.  Best Regards, PJ
-- 
Sealy R & D - A laid back job with its ups & downs, but we always
manage to spring back.  All opinions are regretfully my very own.
17500 Engle Lake Drive			     Phone (216)-891-8200
Middleburg Hts., Ohio 44130-8399               Fax (216)-891-9116
From: sbellan@claude.ma30.bull.com (Simon Bellan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:07:53 GMT
	<1992Oct1.194622.11758@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA

In article <1992Oct1.194622.11758@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (The Conservative) writes:
Path: mips2!news.bbn.com!seismo!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ames!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!gn.ecn.purdue.edu!dyrda
   From: dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (The Conservative)
   Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
   Date: 1 Oct 92 19:46:22 GMT
   References: <1992Oct1.164608.23178@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> <BvGEn0.Dyq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
   Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
   Lines: 10

   >In article <BvGEn0.Dyq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
   > Try wuarchive.wustl.edu /graphics/gif/(alphabetically sorted)  
   > 
   > Of some interest may be /graphics/gif/v/vnr which holds a large number
   > of small Vietnam era gifs.

     Sorry our network only accepts IP address formats, ie 134.20.8.356 etc.
   Could you post this for me, thanks!!

   Rich

>>>>>>>>>>>>>


The IP address for wuarchive.wustl.edu=128.252.135.4


S. Bellan

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From: prm@genesis.ecn.purdue.edu (Philip R. Moyer)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Aurora?
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:20:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

easmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric A Smith) writes:
>Can someone give me a little bit of information on the Aurora?  I've never
>heard of it.  Reply via e-mail please...save network bandwidth. Thanks in
>advance!

This seems like a good opportunity to post this information:

There is an Internet mailing list called skunk-works that exists expressly
to discuss the U-2 and variants, SR-71 and variants, F-117, Aurora, TR-3A, and
other advanced aircraft technologies.

You can subscribe to this list by sending email to 

	skunk-works-request@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu

with the following text in the message body:

	subscribe skunk-works

You will be automatically added to the mailing list.  We are currently
having a discussion about how to accurately track supersonic aircraft
by detecting the shock wave with seismographs.  :-)

Cheers,
Phil	<- skunk-works maintainer
From: dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (The Conservative)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:46:22 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>In article <BvGEn0.Dyq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
> Try wuarchive.wustl.edu /graphics/gif/(alphabetically sorted)  
> 
> Of some interest may be /graphics/gif/v/vnr which holds a large number
> of small Vietnam era gifs.

  Sorry our network only accepts IP address formats, ie 134.20.8.356 etc.
Could you post this for me, thanks!!

Rich
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: GIFs
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:46:51 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha



Hi!  Does anyone know of any ftp sites where I can get some really good
gifs of the AH-64 Apache, UH-60 Blackhawk or other helos?  Thanks!!


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|Computer Operations		 |             VF-142 Ghostriders             |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha |       United States Navy F-14 Tomcat       |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu         |              Fighter Squadron              |
From: gt8303a@prism.gatech.EDU (The Great and Mighty Confused)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:28:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct1.164608.23178@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (The Conservative) writes:
>Does anybody know where there are ftp sites for military jet gif's??

Please send me this info as well (I'm an aerospace engineer, I love this
kind of stuff)

Thanks again.

Andy Entrekin
gt8303a@prism.gatech.edu

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer)
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Summary: Military Jet Images are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:34:44 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

Our archive site has some... it's what I collected from various postings
in "alt.binaries.pictures.*" newsgroups.


    How to get 'Military Jet Images' via anonymous FTP:

    Site:     ftp.cs.ruu.nl  [131.211.80.17]
    Login:    "anonymous" or "ftp"
    Password: your own email address (you@your_domain)
    file:
      /pub/AIRCRAFT-IMAGES/00INDEX
      /pub/AIRCRAFT-IMAGES/*.jpg


						--[ Edwin ]--
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Flight International
Keywords: Budgie News
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:08:43 GMT


	My favourite aviation mag. was always "Flight International",
	Unfortunately, I can't seem to find in this neck of the woods.
	Could somebody send me subscription info?

	Alec Chambers.
From: rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:17:26 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

>I'd expect to see the B-2 and the F-117, with the latter possibly
>flying in like last year.  C-17, MC-130, Sherpa, A-7, F-16, F-15,
>A-37, B-52, KC-135, Hueys, and a few other planes from the Air
>Force on static display.  F-15,F-16, A-7 aerial routines.  X-31,
>X-29, NB-52B, F-18, SR-71 from Dryden.  Last year they had an
>F-14 aerial routine, too.

Also an Aurora low pass, low speed fly by.
--

Gobern de shark! 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck)
Subject: CHARTER: rec.aviation.military
Followup-To: rec.aviation.misc
Reply-To: geoff@peck.com
Organization: Geoffrey G. Peck, Consultant, San Jose CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:06:10 GMT

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