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From: mickel@OES.ORST.EDU (Paul M. Mickel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Exabyte 8500 and SunOS 4.1.1_U1
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:45:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: gaia.1gmc93INNo66
Distribution: deltam,liv,ca,na,usa,world
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oes.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec10.172728.16359@deltam.com> jt@deltam.com writes:
>In article 16414@mr.med.ge.com, doug@med.ge.com (Doug Curtis 5-4240) writes:
>>
>>Does someone have a summary of what changes are needed
>>in order to get a SUN3 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1 to support
>>the Exabyte 8500 tape drive?  I know about trying to use 
>>the rst9 (high density) vs rst1 (low density), but in all
>>the testing I have done, I can only get the system to write
>>in the 8200 mode. The "mt -f /dev/rst9 status" always comes
>>back ID'ing the drive as an 8200.
>>
>>Doug Curtis
>>GE Medical Systems
>>INET: curtisds@med.ge.com
>>--
>>Doug Curtis - curtisds@med.ge.com
>
>
>If you are using tapes previously used by the 8200, then the 8500 will write in the 8200 mode. Try using a fresh tape. You shouldn't have to change a thing to the st_conf.c file.

Either this, or see if your vendor has drivers that will read both. Our vendor
did support this, and send the drivers when we asked for them.

Good luck.

-pmm

-- 
Paul M. Mickel			  	   Internet:mickel@oes.orst.edu
Sysadmin, Oregon Extension Service	   Corvallis, OR 97331
Database Programmer, Teledyne Wah Chang    Albany, OR 
Disclaimer: Neither employer has *ever* claimed any of my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: how to force readers to read a system message?
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:27:24 GMT

Has anyone out there figured out how to do this yet??
I find that anything in /etc/motd is generally ignored by
at least 80% of our users. If we make them hit carriage return
or something similar after reading the message they generally
ignore the message and hit carriage return. Perhaps a quiz
on the contents of the message displayed? When will the system
be going down? Why is the system going down? Who is your Lord
and Master? What is your Bell Calling card number? etc...
Any ideas would be gratefully appreciated.
                   Martin A. Thompson
   ... usin' my bosses account 'cause were too poor to get me my own
       and I got dem second class networking blues... oh yeah... I got...
                   Internet: roihar2@cc4.crl.aecl.ca   OR root@cu48.crl.aecl.ca
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:9401 alt.sys.sun:3497
From: glenns@nms.otca.oz.au (Glenn Satchell - Uniq professional Services)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,alt.sys.sun
Subject: Re: Loop back ethernet? How?
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:55:04 GMT

ahoekstr@cs.utwente.nl (Andre D. Hoekstra) writes:

>OOPS. I added some confusion there:

>	make sure the entry 
> 
>	is in /etc/hosts

should read

127.0.0.1       localhost real_hostname

The system will configure the lo0 (loopback) interface by itself
without you having to change anything - just reboot.

regards,
--
--
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Uniq Professional Services Pty Ltd  ACN 056 279 335  |  or  for  the   moment
PO Box 70, Paddington, NSW 2021, (Sydney) Australia  |  glenns@nms.otca.oz.au
Phone: +61-2-360-7434           Fax: +61-2-331-2572  |  Phone: +61-2-339-3843
From: eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Erik Oliver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: NFS Unmounting Unavailable systems [Q]
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:05:03 GMT
Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department

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We have a SUN using NFS to mount Bryn Mawr College's home
user directories.  However, if the link between our two
colleges goes down, it is very frustrating that out machine
grinds to a halt of sorts because of all the time wasted
looking for the other machine.

Is there anyone out there with suggestions for dealing with
this?  I am personally contemplating writing a C program
to be run by CRON to unmount the other college's directories
when the link fails.  And then remount them later?

Is this a good idea?  Am I reinventing the wheel so to speak,
i.e. has this already been done?`


Thanks for any help,
Erik

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From: meyer@darkwing.uoregon.edu (David M. Meyer 503/346-1747)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.managers,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Any way to reduce the size of BackupCoPilot Database?
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:06:28
Organization: University Network Services, University of Oregon, Eugene, OR
	97403
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu


	Does anyone know if there is a way to reduce the size of
	BackupCoPilot Database? Ours is huge (like 200MB).


	Thanks,

	Dave
	David M. Meyer			Voice:     503/346-1747
	Senior Network Engineer		Pager:	   503/342-9458
	Office of University Computing	FAX:	   503/346-4397
	University of Oregon		Internet:  meyer@ns.uoregon.edu
	1225 Kincaid
	Eugene, OR 97403
From: Thomas.Tornblom@nexus.comm.se (Thomas Tornblom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: zs3: silo overflow, but no serial ports
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:22:13 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Communicator Nexus AB

In article <BCD.92Dec14165943@redondo.mps.ohio-state.edu> bcd@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bryan Dunlap) writes:

   I have an ELC running 4.1.1 that drops into the PROM monitor from time
   to time, and the only error I can see anywhere is "zs3: silo
   overflow".  Usually, the machine can be continued.  The man page for
   zs(4s) says this is the second (serial) port on the first SCSI board.
   Our SCSI has no serial ports attached, just one disk (Wren VIII).

   Anybody have any ideas about what's going on, and how to stop it?

   Bryan Dunlap, OSU Physics Dept.      | Giving money and power to government is
   bcd@mps.ohio-state.edu  614/292-3402 | like giving whiskey and car keys to 
   174 W. 18th Ave. Columbus OH 43210   | teenage boys.  -- P.J. O'Rourke

I think zs2 & zs3 is for the keyboard and mouse. To me it seems that
the man page only counts SCC chips while the error messages are for
the ports.

I get these kind of messages on my Sun386i from time to time when I
move the mouse around and the machine seems locked up doing other
things.

Thomas
--
Real life:      Thomas Tvrnblom           Email:  Thomas.Tornblom@Nexus.Comm.SE
Snail mail:     Communicator Nexus AB     Phone:  +46 18 171814
                Box 857                   Fax:    +46 18 696516
                S - 751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: lsloan@nova.gmi.edu (Lance Sloan)
Subject: Solaris 1.1 OpenWindows
Summary: What version of OpenWindows comes with Solaris 1.1?
Keywords: solaris openwindows compatibility
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:08:24 GMT

Are there ANY differences between the version of OpenWindows 3 that comes with
Solaris 1.1 and the version on the CD titled "OpenWindows version 3 for SunOS
4.1.x"?

If not, I may mount Openwindows from my server.

Any info appreciated!
--
  Lance Sloan                                              lsloan@nova.gmi.edu
  UNIX System Administrator           GMI Engineering and Management Institute
  Assistant Programmer                                    Flint, Michigan, USA
From: gjap@ukc.ac.uk (G.J.A.Paul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: SPARCclassic and SunOS 4.1.x
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:31:26 GMT
Reply-To: gjap@ukc.ac.uk (G.J.A.Paul)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

(Newsgroups line trimmed)

In article <1992Dec14.084639.18266@fwi.uva.nl> you write:
>As for that SysV thing, why is it that people value to 5-10 year old
>technology (4.3 BSD) over a much more modern Unix (Solaris 2.x)?

Because the technology is better in 4.3BSD.  Even Solaris 2.1 has an
antiquated feel about it.  Everything is bloated and complicated and
doesn't lent itself to `remote administration' -- e.g. stupid
screen-based interfaces to do system administration.  Yes I know that
deep down it is just writing files, but the program interface to those
files isn't publicised.

Sun has done us existing customers no favours.  The system
superstructure has taken several steps back and they've offered no
assistance in the move.  We've had to buy a development machine in
order that we can start on the enormous amount of work required to
migrate.  And the end result will be worse; maybe the users won't
notice any differences, but the administrators will be tearing their
hair out.

>If and when you get 4.4BSD, you would hardly recognise it as BSD
>and you would have to do as much porting from SunOS 4.1.x to 4.4
>BSD as you have to do now to Solaris 2.x.

Indeed so, at least from an application programmer's point of view.
Most established applications will already have been moved between
different versions of SunOS and even different versions of Unix.
But the difficult area is system administration; an administrator is
suddenly confronted with a wildly different set of tools.  And whilst
an application developer might just be able to hack a few lines of
code and link against a compatibility library, the changes in working
practices for an administrator are not well understood.  It may be all
right for you, but we've been running Unix since 1976 and we've
acquired a fair amount of infrastructure in that time.  Sun can't tell
us how to migrate (say) our user accreditation system, which covers
various flavours Unix, VMS, printer accounting, and other systems.
Everywhere we look there is something more that Solaris 2.x breaks.

Note that most of the good bits in SVR4 came from Berkeley.  Note too
that the reason that many people bought Suns in the first place was
because they were BSD + some other bits which you could ignore (and
have done quite successfully for many years).

Just my opinions,

Godfrey Paul
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From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCclassic and SunOS 4.1.x
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:55:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom

In article <1go470INNsl7@male.EBay.Sun.COM> elkinbar@filly.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Elkinbard) writes:
>
>> 
>> [...] (deleted stuff not about 4.1.x on a Sparcclassic

Ahem... If I read the 'Subject:' line correctly this thread was not about
the de/merits of any particular OS.  Doesn't anyone bother to update
their subject headers in this newsgroup?

My question is: 

------>   HAS ANYONE TRIED TO INSTALL 4.1.x ON A SPARCCLASSIC?   <------

I know 'Sun says' it won't work but Sun employees have been overheard
talking about what will hit the fan if it is even suggested that 
4.1.x can be installed on a 'classic'.  I don't know about you
but this makes me curious.  It would sure be nice to get a classic _now_
and transition to 5.x.x when I'm ready, or even to have dual OS
partitions and boot from either!
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: memory upgrade
Date: 13 Dec 1992 09:11:53 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <1g4cksINNon5@obelix.uni-muenster.de> holger@math.uni-muenster.de (Holger Klawitter, Rechnerwartung) writes:

>[ how to make a swap file with mkfile ]

People that do this should know two things:

1 -- Swapping on a file is NOT as fast as swapping on a raw partition.
Theorertically they should be the same, but the vnode system doesn't
have the ability to pass all the information one would need to make
them the same speed.  Therefore, expect a small slow-down.

2 -- SunOS 4.1.x has a bug when swapping on a file.  If a very, very
large program (we're talking >120meg) exits on such a system, it
will take considerably longer than if you were using raw partitions.
Sun has a patch for this, but it's not supported.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: sinteur@ooc.uva.nl (John Sinteur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: uucp problem
Keywords: uucp
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:02:31 GMT
Organization: ooc.uva.nl

I've got a weird problem with UUCP.
 
I changed my system name (both 'hostname' and 'uuname') a while ago,
and since then I can't send out mail - getting mail over my uucp
link is no problem, nor is sending mail locally. All my messages
bounce with the following error:
 
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
uux failed ( 75 )
550 Postmaster... User unknown
 
Now, I've tried to do a simple test with a high debug level, as follows:
 
fourcnl% uux -x9 "sun4nl\!blah"
 
** START **
arg - sun4nl!blah:arg -  sun4nl!blah
xsys sun4nl
aliasFind (sun4nl) FAIL
uux failed ( 75 )
exit code 75
 
To add insult to injury, when I type "uucp" at the command line, it
gives me a segmentation fault.
 
Anybody seen this one before? (if you need more info, let me know... :-)
 
 
 
-John
 
[ sinteur@fourc.nl  John W. Sinteur, 2:512/48 (fidonet) ]
[  Snail: Jade str 28, 2332 RT Leiden, The Netherlands  ]
[               May the Source be with you              ]
 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa)
Subject: Mounting Floppy Disks {not a ?}
Reply-To: motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:29:00 GMT

How do you mount a floppy disk?  It seems
that disks that I get from vendor's can
sometimes be mounted and sometimes cannot.
Tar and extract_unbundled work no matter if
the floppy can be mounted or not.

I have a product called TransferPro that can 
read/write/format MS-DOS/MAC/UNIX HD diskettes.
When I format a diskette as Unix with TransferPro,
It first does a format (which appears to be
the same as an fdformat from the console output).
Then TransferPro says, "creating unix file system".
This extra step allows the floppy to be 
mounted.  What exactly is this step doing?

Wait...let me try something...BINGO...what Tpro 
does appears to be a "newfs /dev/rfdoa" that creates
the file system.  Now I can mount the floppy.

Thanks anyway people, I love it when in the midst
of posting off a question, I come up with
my own answer.  It happens regularly.

- John DeRosa

P.S. I'll have to get rid of the ? in the 
subject line.
-- 
=  Enjoy!          John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, ESMR Development  =
=  thanks          derosa@ssd.comm.mot.com                       =
=  a 10^6          N1111@applelink.apple.com                     =
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
Subject: Re: problem with named/resolve
Keywords: named, DNS, resolver
Nntp-Posting-User: per
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:17:56 GMT

In article <1ga7e4INNeaf@fnnews.fnal.gov> schurech@nightcrawler.fnal.gov (kurt schurecht) writes:
>  When I run nslookup on machine A I get a response:
>
>*** Can't find server name for address 131.225.22.66: No information
>
>where the IP address is that of machine FIRE.

This is a misfeature of pre-BIND-4.8.3 nslookup - it is *only* a problem
with nslookup, normal lookups by telnet/ftp/whatever don't have it. What
happens is that when nslookup contacts the server specified in
/etc/resolv.conf, it wants to find out the name of the server host
(/etc/resolv.conf just gives the IP address) - it does this with
something called an "inverse query" (basically it supplies the answer -
the IP address - and wants to know the question that would give that
answer), which only works if the server already has the data that does
that particular name->address translation, and a "caching only" server
like the one you've set up frequently doesn't.

Workarounds/fixes include:

- make the server on FIRE a secondary for the domain its name is in
- direct nslookup to another server initially, then switch to FIRE with
  the 'server' command
- get the nslookup from the BIND 4.8.3 distribution - in addition to
  fixing this problem, it has several nice features such as doing IP
  address -> name lookups without the 'PTR, reverse address' stuff, and
  allowing 'set' options on the command line (e.g. -q=... for querytype).

--Per Hedeland
per@erix.ericsson.se  or
per%erix.ericsson.se@sunic.sunet.se  or
...uunet!erix.ericsson.se!per
From: velarde@ccrs.emr.ca (Cesar Velarde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: /dev/mem error (Q)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:58:22 GMT
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa

In article <1992Nov27.172236.19098@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> mikeg@asylum.tmc.edu (Michael Grabenstein) writes:
>	I have a Sprac Station 2 that is (yes, more) giving
>Problems. Its latest is an error in /dev/mem. When I do a ps
>or a pstat or w it gives me a message about error reading 
>/dev/mem. I have tried fsck on root, rebooting and a couple 
>of other things. any one have any ideas as to what I might do?
>I geuss my next course is to reload the system (again :( ).
>	Please e-mail me. Thanks!
>Later,
>	Mike
>	mikeg@asylum.gsfc.nasa.gov
>	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu

Make sure /vmunix is both owned and readable by group kmem. The same applies
to /dev/mem.

Hope this helps.
-- 
velarde@ccrs.emr.ca			Canada centre for remote sensing
Tel. (613)947-1301			588 Booth St., Ottawa, ON
Fax. (613)947-1408			K1A 0Y7
From: ohnielse@fysik.uni-c.dk (Ole Holm Nielsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: password aging and NIS
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:43:07 GMT
Reply-To: ohnielse@fysik.uni-c.dk
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computer Center for Research and Education

In article 382@whitney.UUCP, vlb@whitney.UUCP (Virginia L. Baca) writes:
>Will password aging and NIS ever work
>together?  I have a client who really
>needes this. Is there an alternative?

Aging with NIS is broken in SunOS 4.X.  Reportedly fixed in Solaris 2.X.

Ole.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: matth@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Matthew Hannigan)
Subject: Re: SAVE ME FROM RPC.LOCKD
Keywords: rpc.lockd
Organization: AODC, but I don't speak for them.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:26:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.011935.25011@ibx.com>
	 steve@ibx.com (Steve Giuliano) writes:
>I've got several 6x0 machines that sit all day and bitch about
>
>	rpc.lockd: cannot contact status monitor!
>
>Meanwhile it usurps about 25% of my CPU.  Yes rpc.statd is running.
>BTW, portmap is screaming during this time too.

rm /etc/sm/* /etc/sm.bak/* worked for me when I got this problem.

Don't _really_ know why :-) but see the manual for statd.

Regards,
	-Matt
matt@aodc20.aodc.gov.au
From: svb@svb.guug.de (Sebastian v. Bomhard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: tunefs on /usr
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:00:24 GMT
Organization: v. Bomhard Unternehmensberatung

>In article <ByG0ny.KK1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mflll@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dr. Laurence Leff) writes:
>>I am trying to run tunefs on the /usr file system.  Of course this
>>is part of the two file systems (/root and /usr) that are brought up
>>on bootup.
>>
>>Thus, we can't dismount it to run tunefs.  This is even true when we
>>come up single user (boot with -s option)
>>
>>We are on 4.1.1 operating system on Sun III's.
>>
>>Does anyone know a method of running tunefs on the /usr file system.
>>We want to reduce the disk space allocated to root on this file system.
>>

Well, the easiest way is to just just unmount /usr. The problem are
the shared libraries, so all you have to do is to write a staticaly linked
umount of your own (I assume you don't have the sources) and put it
into /sbin, then boot single user and umount /usr, no problem at all!

And, you don't have to write your own umount, here it comes (without
warranty, but it works for me since I wrote it). Please ignore the
german comments :-). The /etc/mtab part is sort of an ugly hack, you
perhaps might want to edit it, but the unmount(2) syscall doesn't keep
track of that file. And YES, I will use symbolic constants next time :-)


HTH, 

  -svb.

----------------------------cut here----------------------------------
/* unmount_usr -- Umount /usr, is to be linked statically
 * Synopsis: unmount_usr, no args provided
 * May 1992 svb
 * Works if / is on /dev/sd3a. Change, if wrong.
 * OS 4.1.1
 */

#include <stdio.h>

main()
{
	FILE *mtab;
	switch(unmount("/usr")) {
	case 0:
		break;
	case -1:
		fprintf(stderr,"Cannot unmount /usr\n");
		perror("unmount()");
		return 1;
	default:
		fprintf(stderr, "Unexpected Returncode from umount!\n");
		perror("unmount()");
		return 2;
	}
	mtab = fopen("/etc/mtab", "w");
	if(!mtab) {
		fprintf(stderr, "%s\nDas sollte drinstehen: %s\n",
			  "Peinlich, peinlich, Deine /etc/mtab ist wahrscheinlich weg!",
			   "/dev/sd3a / 4.2 rw,dev=0718 1 1" );
		perror("/etc/mtab");
		return 3;
	}

	fprintf(mtab, "/dev/sd3a / 4.2 rw,dev=0718 1 1\n");
	fclose(mtab);
	printf("/usr unmounted\n");
	return 0;
}
----------------------------cut here----------------------------------

-- 
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St.-Anna-Str. 13, D-W-8000 Muenchen 22 (Lehel),     +49-89-298934
>>>>>>>>>>>     A neat desk is a sign of a sick mind.      <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mjr@ursa.calvin.edu (Matt Ranney)
Subject: Re: how to force readers to read a system message?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:29:31 GMT

roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:

>Has anyone out there figured out how to do this yet??
>I find that anything in /etc/motd is generally ignored by
>at least 80% of our users. If we make them hit carriage return
>or something similar after reading the message they generally
>ignore the message and hit carriage return. Perhaps a quiz
>on the contents of the message displayed? When will the system
>be going down? Why is the system going down? Who is your Lord
>and Master? What is your Bell Calling card number? etc...
>Any ideas would be gratefully appreciated.

Your quota will be reduced for each incorrect answer.

Here is what I use to sorta deal with this problem.  Most people know
that if they put a .hushlogin file in their home directory that they
won't see the motd.  Also, just about everybody here uses tcsh as
their login shell, so I added the followin lines to /etc/csh.login:

--------------------------------------
# If the user has ~/.hushlogin file, then they won't see the motd
# automatically.  Use ls -t to check which file is newer, and if 
# /etc/motd is newer, then print it out and reset the date on the
# .hushlogin file.  If the message is newer, print the info in a 
# way the the user will see it.  (blinking + bold)
#
if ( -e $home/.hushlogin ) then
        set tim=`ls -t ~/.hushlogin /etc/motd`
        if ($tim[1] == "/etc/motd") then
		echotc -s mb		
                echo --- NEW MOTD ---
		echotc -s me
		echotc -s so
                cat /etc/motd
		echotc -s se
		touch ~/.hushlogin
        else
                echo motd is unchanged.
        endif
	unset tim
endif
---------------------------------

I abhor csh programming, so there might be a cleaner way of doing
this, but this works fine for me.  Of course, if they don't have a
.hushlogin file, it won't work, but you could always just go and GIVE
everybody one, I guess.
--
Matt Ranney -  mjr@calvin.edu
  "You know, I don't think theres a man, woman, or child alive today
   who doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage."  -DL
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