From: hbr6165@rigel.tamu.edu (harish)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Forgeries of Hindu Texts
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:39:00 GMT
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In article <4514@verdix.verdix.com>, dharma@VERDIX.COM (Manjeri Dharmarajan) writes...
>In article <1992Apr12.221150.22533@watserv1.waterloo.edu> mvishnu@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>>
>>I too feel that at least some parts of the popular hindu texts are 
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>>not authentic, they are too simple-minded, and are disgustingly
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>>bramin-praising.

	I am beginning to wonder what those texts are..? I hate people
who make arbit comments and try to get away with it.. In hinduism..
what exactly are those popular texts that praise brahmins..
	Before that.. you may have to read the text thoroughly
and try to understand the meaning of Brahmins.. and who are brahmins..? 
	 
>>In the book "Bhagavad Gita As It Was", the auther (an Indian) condemns
>>the Bramins for the downfall of the great country that was India.

	I just cannot comprehend what that stupid book might be.. Whoever
the author is he must be a real idiot.. How can a Brahmin be the root
cause of the downfall of the great country.. Man! Vishnu.. just
refresh your history..! If you just check back you will find that
some brahmins built  country (of course with the help of Kshatriya
kings.. familiar with Chanakya and Chandragupta..?) 
Stop your stupid brahmin baiting nature..? Every body had their share
in the down fall of the country.. now one cannot (should not point
out to one particular (very small) community..  for every thing
right from down fall of the country to the invasion of Muslims)
On the contrary..! brahmins contributed greatly to  Hinduism..
Ever heard of Shakaracharya, Madhavacharya, Ramanujacharya, and many great
acharyas.. and Alvars..?

>>He says that bramins helped the Muslim invaders thinking that the new moslem
>>kings (as opposed to the then present Buddhist kings) would support the
>>Bramins and their sacrifices. The details can be found in the indroductory
>>part of this book.  

	BTW who is that author..? What is that book.. Talk sense man.. you're
a learned person.. you know our Indian histroy.. right..! (may not be right..)

>Can you post his arguments. To paraphrase my father, the Brahmins may be stupid,
>but they're not DAMN stupid. :-)

	Well! Well! Brahmins are stupid eh..?? I don't know what to say
to this guy..! I don't know when people will stop generalising and
shooting arbit statements..

>>I feel bramins did the greatest damage to my mother tongue, Tamil.  Even 
>>now, if you go to a South Indian temple, no non-bramin can go anywhere
>>near the shrine. 

	Some thing is seriously wrong with you.. Mr. Vishnu.. You
say that Brahmins did the greatest damage to your language Tamil.. 
BY NOT ALLOWING THE NON-BRAHMINS TO THE TEMPLE SHRINE..!!!
What a moron you're..  Let me know How Brahmins did greatest damage
to your Tamil..?? by not allowing others in the temple..?
	BTW are you aware of Alvars.. (Brahmins of course..!)
they have composed greatest hymns in Tamil praising the lord..
Have you heard of Andal and Thiruppavai.. They are all in Tamil..
How can they ever (brahmins..)damage your mother tongue.. tamil..? 
Vishnu..! It's better to keep quiet than showing your ignorant mind..
If you're a non-hindu.. then you're excused... but if you're a hindu..
then you're a shame to my religion.. Hinduism... Having a hindu
name does not make a person a hindu.. One should have a little bit (atleast
a little bit) of knowledge of one's cultural background..


>The truth is that Brahmins in Tamil Nadu were persecuted by the Govt., and
>some segments of the population. Now with Jayalalita as CM, it's probably
>decreased.

Mr. Vishnu might have been a ardent follower of Old AIADMK and DMK..
come out of your Old Brahmin baiting age yaar..! your friends
in TN have already started taking oaths in the name of Gods.. and
are supporting Jayalalita in making big donations to temples.. 
If you're are still in that old stone age.. your own DMK dosts
might jettison you from their boat...

>>They only use sanskrit for all communications with the idol.

	Man! you need to grow up..! Communications with idol..!!!   :^)
This must be a joke.. Please tell me this is one.. 
Have you ever been to a temple.. in your life.. Mr. Vishnu.. 
The priests pray with whatever they learn from  scriptures...
and most of the scriptures and shlokas are composed in Sanskrit
what can these poor priests do.. On the contrary to what you're saying..
in many of the temples in my locality in Bangalore..  
(On thiruppavai days..) discourses will be organised in Tamil and poojas
and mantras are conducted in Tamil.. (or in your words priests do
COMMUNICATE IN TAMIL..!  :^)  Yes! in Karnataka.. )  
 Karnataka guy like you might take cue from your posts 
and start cribbing on all these priests for praying(oops COMMUNICATING)in Tamil
and not in Kannada..? Thank god we (in Karnataka..) don't have people like
you..!	Mr. Vishnu please grow up..! 


>>When the great bhakthi movement swept TN, the nayanmaars (ironically more than
>>70% of the nayanmars were bramins!), wrote vast numbers of
>>hymns to Siva in beautiful Tamil.  Sambandhar (a bramin), one of the nayanmaar
>>is said to have composed more than 65000 hymns, but only 600 has survived
>>today.  

	So brahmins destroyed the hymns composed by  brahmins.. Is that
what you're trying to say..! The Brahmins are culprits in this biggest
catastrophe.. ??? You're argument and logic is hopeless man..!
I can't even write anything to this..


>>Thevaneyar, in his translation to the Tamil Veda (Thirukkural) has a lot 
>>more details regarding this.

>Can you post it, please? I'd like to see some proof.

	Forget it.. It's no use asking for proof from this person.. (Mr. Vishnu)
If at all he were educated he would never have written this Brahmin
baiting article in the first place..

>	Dharmarajan

Please grow up Mr. Vishnu and open you're eyes..! Brahmin baiting days
(esp. in TN) is over..! and all your DMK chaddi dosts have realised this.. 
It's good for you if you also know this.. People do commit mistakes and
Brahmins too were people.. and they also did mistakes.. Your community
also did mistakes.. (whatever your community is..!) and for that whole
community cannot be blamed..! it's high time you realise this..

-Harish
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