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From: charlesv@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Charles Van Duren)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Olympic Musing
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:02:59 GMT

steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:

#From article <Bs217F.6Fy@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
# Denis Beauregard protests:-

#> As for Olympic spirit, I am very disappointed to see (again, sigh)
#> the federal government using the event to promote politics.\
#> The advertisement is showing all those Olympic athletes and says
#> how great Canada is.  This is crap and abusing the olympic spirit.
#> Without Canada, Quebec athletes would say they are representing
#> Quebec, that's all.  Olympic spirit is supposedly related to the
#> athlete and the individual (or participating team), not to countries
#> or political bodies.
#>

#  Quebec isn't a country.

#  Athletes from Quebec, Ontario, B.C., etcetera are all representing
#  Canada.

#  For my part, I wish them the best of luck and hope they are all proud
#  to represent Canada - whatever province they come from.

And I wish that all Canadians had a chance to SEE Canadian athletes
competing. CTV covers mostly urban areas, through direct broadcast
and cable systems. Those of us living outside the reach of urban areas
are basically fucked for Olympic coverage, unless of course we were to buy
a $2K+ satelite dish system.

What a rip-off!

CvD
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: dominic@scooter.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens)
Subject: Re: Shame?? (was Re: Gwen Jacobs day--reflections)
Followup-To: can.general
Originator: dominic@
Reply-To: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:15:11 GMT


In article <2877@isgtec.isgtec.com>, robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
! dominic@scooter.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens) writes:
! >
! > [...about being and therefore privledged...]
! 
! This is interesting.  I grew up in a rather economically depressed area
! with virtually no minority groups.  The only three black families I
! knew were the families of the town doctor and of two high school
! teachers;  the rich people.   Since I, as a male, couldn't get easy
! jobs like cashier or librarian I had to pound spikes on the railway for
! 11 hours a day to afford university.
! 
! I REALLY resent people who talk about "a privledged life" because
! I certainly never got one.  This is why I hate affirmiative action
! programs: they want to discriminate against me for some supposed
! 'advantage' I have or have had.

Do you really resent everyone?  Or only those who are trying to take from
you want you never really had.  Just as we shouldn't label all blacks as being
lazy, we shouldn't label all whites as being privledged.  People need to be
given little insentives or advantages for a lot of reasons other than
simply because they are a racial minority: people who are handicapped,
economically depressed, or simply have bad luck!

! > In order to be able to truely empathise with those who are marginalized, I
! > have to feel some amount of shame whenever I get somewhere because of my
! > sex, race etc...
! 
! Well it's nice that you got somewhere due to discrimination.

Oops!  I think you left off the sarcasm smily :-*

! Ever think of doing something instead of just feeling shame?

Yes, I just don't have the time to brag about it to the net.

-- 
!@$^&*)($#$@!@#$^&*()_+_)(*&^$#@!$^&*()_+)(*&^$#@$^&*+_(*&^$#@#^&*()&*$#@(*&+_$!
 Dominic Richens  :  dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca  :  Tel. (613) 564 9911 
      MCRLab, Dept of Elec Eng, University of Ottawa, K1N 6N5, CANADA   
"You construct intricate rituals which allow you to touch the skin of other men"
Newsgroups: can.general
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: CTV's Olympic Coverage Sucks!
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:36:56 GMT

Subject line says it all...

How bad is CTV's coverage...CTV's coverage is so bad that NBC looks
good in comparison.  Terrible editing, terrible flow, terrible 
commentary.

Would you buy a used car from Rod Black or Dan Matheson?  Tracey
Wilson at least has potential.  Rob Faulds has been their only
reasonably competent event announcer.  

Even NBC, with its blatant and blinkered pro-Americanism, has done
the Silken Laumann story better than CTV.

Gerald
From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Bicycle Helmets
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:42:45 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

gaea@zooid.guild.org (Call me stupid,) writes:

>+ An object dropping 2m reaches a speed of 22.5 km/h, and it's all too easy to
>+ lose your balance and either get tangled in the bike or panic, and thus fall
>+ over and hit your head on a hard surface. ...
> 
> Since when is the average bicycle 2m high?

The bike isn't, but your head falls approximately 2m if you tip over on a bike.

> I've never fallen off of my bicycle while standing still or going slow, I've
> been riding as a method of transportation for about 4 years now.

Oh, well you have nothing to worry about then; you're one of the lucky ones who
will never, ever fall off a bike, even if you were to hit a rock or a patch of
black ice.  <:-O

> However I also think it would make a little more sense to better educate
> drivers and cyclists rather than trying to enforce a helmet law. That's
> really what I was saying in the first place, I DO think helmets are a good
> idea, but I just don't think they should be manditory. Call me stupid, but at
> least it's my own life I'm playing with.

I agree, at least to some extent.  I do think that the public school system
should provide bicycle education, and that helmets should be mandatory for that
training, and possibly for young cyclists.  Once they have gotten used to
wearing a helmet, then they can choose to wear or not wear one.  From my own
experience, I think that most people would choose to wear a helmet once they'd
gotten used to it.

I'd rather see a campaign to convince parents to make their children wear
bicycle helmets than a law that the parents must wear one (I doubt that the
police would enforce a mandatory child bicycle helmet law).

--

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
From: douglasc@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Ming Chong)
Subject: Re: Chevron gas stations
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:03:13 GMT

myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:

>This brand name exists in the USA, but not in Canada.
>I remember that it did at one time exist.
>What happened to it? Can we get Chevron products here in Canada?

Chevron still exists in Canada but only in western Canada.  It is one of the
major gas station companies here in B.C.  I am fairly certain they also operate
in Alberta.

On the subject of companies in different parts of Canada I am interested 
to know if Canada Safeway (a major food chain in western Canada) has any 
presence in Ontario or Quebec.  I fairly certain Safeway does not have any
stores named Safeway in Ontario but it may have a subsidiary by a different
name.  Safeway like Chevron is a major food chain in the U.S.

Doug

Xref: sparky can.general:3594 can.politics:5541
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: FLQ (was Re: French/English status after independence)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:47:08 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <28JUL92.10924094.0067@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
>In article <12398@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>>
>>Why the hell is two isolated murders always given as example of
>>so-called Quebec nationalism, or violence in Quebec.
>>
>*Two* isolated murders?  Laporte and who else?
>
>I don't think it's at all true that the FLQ is always given as an
>"example of so-called Quebec nationalism."  I certainly haven't
>seen such a tendency in this news group.
>
>Tom Box
>CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

There was someone killed by a bomb in (I think) a mailbox.
So isolated that you don't remember both events!

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Quebec population growth (was: French/English status after independence)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Followup-To: can.politics
	<1992Jul21.220957.24209@pandora.matrox.com> <2A6E2E5E.6CA8@telly.on.ca>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:40:12 GMT
X-Posted-From: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <2A6E2E5E.6CA8@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

				.
				.
				.

   The native Quebecois population is dropping and immigrants are leaving
   faster than they come (for elsewhere in Canada). One can demand that
   Quebec gets 50% of Canada's immigrants, but under present laws you can't
   force them to stick around. And these days they aren't.

This is an exaggeration.  Although Quebec's population grew (5.6%)
less than the national average (7.9%) during the last census period
(1986-1991), it was far more than the Atlantic provinces(2.6%),
Manitoba(2.7%), and Saskatchewan(-2.0%).

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:47:13 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

[list of complaints against cyclists]
Your complaints are valid, but there's something you're forgetting.  For so
many decades, the government has treated the bicycle as a toy.  It hasn't
considered cyclists as worthy of safe roadspace, convenient safe parking, or
any of the other services given to automobile drivers.  The driver education
program hasn't included how to share the road with bicycles, and there is
little if anything devoted to educating cyclists.  With all that neglect, it is
understandable that many cyclists don't ride safely.  If automobile drivers
were treated with the same neglect, do you think they would be any better?
They'd probably drive unsafe vehicles in an unsafe manner too, with more
serious consequences.

If the government devoted the same equivalent level of resources to cyclists as
they do to automobile drivers, there would probably be a significant
improvement in the quality of most cyclists.

Many of the bad cyclists you notice are the "visible minority".  They are
"Sunday cyclists" who pull their bikes out of the garage once a year, or riders
with an attitude problem (they'd drive a car that way if they could get away
with it).  Many of the ones riding on the sidewalk do so because they either
don't know how to ride safely in traffic, or the drivers are such that it
really isn't safe to ride on the street, despite the cyclist having a right to
be there.

You can't expect immediate improvement after so long neglect.

--

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Xref: sparky can.general:3650 can.politics:5575
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: FLQ (was Re: French/English status after independence)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:47:42 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <12438@ntdd-1> grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) writes:
]A bomb was planted at an armory. A night watchman discovered the
]bomb and picked it up. He was killed instantly.
]
]A bomb disposal expert was seriously injured when the bomb he
]was disarming exploded. This bomb was planted in a mail box
]on a residential street.

Funny you don't talk about the bombs that were planted by the RCMPs
(still unconvicted of course).

]The above shows the true calibre of the FLQ and their apologists.

I don't think anyone on the net ever defended the felquistes: they
were isolated terrorists. So what's the point?

-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
                                      Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
Xref: sparky can.general:3578 can.politics:5537
From: marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Dominions (was Re: Political power of provinces)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 12:45:43 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>In article (Christopher Browne) writes:
>>Until that time, no province is a state.  Not even Quebec, which is,
>>even still, a part of the Dominion of Canada, a state that is, by
>>federal policy, officially bilingual.
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, but Canada is not a Dominium (i.e., a vassal
>state of the British Empire) anymore.
>
It's not really so hard to understand, Francois:

Mr. Baker is a jeweller;
M. LeJeune is quite old;
The Dominion of Canada is an independent state.

The term "dominion" is like the term "aspirin".  It was originally a
brand name, and then became a generic name.  The confederation was
(and _is_) named "the Dominion of Canada."  Since Canada was the first
such "vassal state of the British Empire", it gave its name to the
class.  Canada has since evolved out of that (form of) relationship,
but the name remains.  People still use the full name for effect
(just as people say "the United States of America" instead of "the
US" or "America"---for effect).  Nothing more is meant by it.

If the name really offends you so much, you should write your MP to
ask that it be changed.  But beware!  Once this gets started, there
may be no way to stop the royalists who think that the country 
should have been called "the Kingdom of Canada" from the start :-).

...mark young

PS:  The use of the term "dominion" in its political sense is largely
    restricted to political scientists.  Since there aren't any
    (British) dominions anymore (are there?), there's no need for
    people to know the term anymore.
From: jahoar@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Labatt "Draft";Molson "Dry" etc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:27:08 -0300
Distribution: can
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


>    The difference between Canadian "Beer" and making love in a canoe?
> 
>    Not much! - they're both F*#&$^% close to water!
>                             ^^^^^^^
>                           [expletive]

  Interesting...I'd always heard this joke as one about AMERICAN beer,
and considering the waterlike quality of Amer. beer, it seemed more
appropriate to me...

  	Jennifer Hoar
	Dept. of Biology
	Dalhousie Univ.
 
Xref: sparky can.general:3339 can.politics:5261
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:09:57 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

steven@spxtech.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:

>   The protection of a language and culture are noble
>   causes.
>
>   They are not achieved by actively suppressing others!
>[...]
>  One doesn't protect a language and culture by suppressing another!

You will not help your case by denying the obvious.  Suppression CAN
be very effective, as the English have shown all over the world.

The point is: Quebec is suppressing English arbitrarily.  According
to Denis Beauregard, the Quebecois do not like the English, and
want them to leave.  They have found a pretext for getting rid of them
(that the English threaten the survival of the French Fact) and are
acting on this pretext.  Once the English are gone, they will admit
that they need fluent English in order to prosper, and will endorse
personal bilingualism.  Note that Jacques Parizeau told the Americans
that Quebecers, being a small people, will have to speak English,
or he'll kick their butts!  This has already begun: government
officials refuse to speak English to you until they find out that
you are a non-Quebecer.  Have you not noticed that every Quebecois
you meet asks you where you were born within five minutes?  They want
to know whether you are a true foreigner, deserving of respect, or a
colonialist, to be shunned.  (In a pinch, say you're an Acadian).

If a person insists that the English community "must" be suppressed
for the sake of the "survival" of French Quebec, there is not much one
can say in reply, except "bullshit" or a polite equivalent.

So let us turn to politics.  Given that the Government of Quebec aims
to eliminate the English minority (for a good cause, of course), how
shall the English minority respond?

) Plead            Doesn't work: they don't care.
) Protest          Doesn't work: and who needs the hassle?
) Disobey          "You can't fight City Hall"
) Fight back       Oppose Meech Lake like Donald Johnston?
                     Sabotage Quebec's reputation like Mordecai Richler?
                     Doesn't work: it just makes them mad.
) Terrorize        Immoral.
) Sabotage things  Hmm.  Unfortunately, all those fatcat colonialist
                     capitalists aren't very good with their hands.
                     Not like a good Quebecois who can bring down
                     a hydro pylon in seconds flat!  Bummer.
) Sing             Aaaalriiiight!
   
[To the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies:]

Now here's a story bout a man named Ed
Poor financier, barely kept his Bentley fed
And then one day he was shooing at some Peps
And up from the ground came Rene Levesque

Bill 101!  Francization!

Now it goes without saying old Ed's a millionaire
The kin folks said "Ed move away from there"
Said "Ontario is the place you gotta be,"
So they loaded up the truck
And they moved to Bramalea.

--
Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 00:20:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Canadian women, having a problem finding a Canadian man?  I am about
to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.
Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an interest so far.
If you would like to see the fourth draft of my questionnaire so we
can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as men's, either send
me mail or look at the copy I posted in alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 161 men and 111 women
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected
and programming has begun.
 
                                                           Eric Klien
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:15:11 GMT

In article <12341@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>In article (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>>   Canada is not officially bilingual? - What? :-)
...
>>   English is not an official language in Spain.
>
>Neither is it in Quebec: it is in Canada. Canada is a federation of
>states (called provinces), and so will (maybe?) be Europe. Each of
>its member states have their own jurisdiction on things such as
>education. If the European parliament decides that Spanish is an
>official language in the community, it doesn't mean that the UK will
>have to make spanish schools available to all.

Canada is NOT a federation of states called provinces; it is one
state, containing provinces which are essentially administrative
districts.  This fact MAY change in the future, depending on the
outcome of some combination of constitutional changes, and possibly
the secession of Quebec.  

Until that time, no province is a state.  Not even Quebec, which is,
even still, a part of the Dominion of Canada, a state that is, by
federal policy, officially bilingual.

Please note that what Quebec seems to want (that is, general
sovereignty) is antithetical to the concept of "federal" government,
which refers to "a compact between political units that surrender
their individual sovereignty to a central authority but retain limited
residual powers of government."

Europe is NOW a sort of "federation" of sovereign states.  Each of
them has always been sovereign, and as the various treaties go into
force, various powers will move from the states to the central
administration.

And what languages are officially recognized in the EC will depend on
what agreements are reached between the central government and the
individual states.  Compromises will have to be made there between
many factions that have disagreements.  What's more likely than
Spanish becoming mandatory is for German to become mandatory.  And
there's TWO kinds of tourists that many Brits seem to hate, both of
which come from the other side of the Channel.  (Hint... What's
Canada's most controversial official language?  Hmmmm...)

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Newsgroups: can.general
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: The National Debt
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:39:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.195631.1977@unixg.ubc.ca> andy@orchid.bdc.ubc.ca (Andrew Dwelly) writes:
>
>Does anyone have accurate, or even estimated figures for the 
>Canadian national debt, and its rate of increase ? I'd quite
>like to modify the xdebt program which monitors the US national
>debt, to horrify Canadians as well.
>

The federal debt is about $450 billion dollars and the total
provincial debt is about $100 billion.

Gerald

Xref: sparky can.general:3484 can.politics:5450
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Dominion of Canada (was RE: Political power of provinces)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:35:17 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article  writes:
>Neither of these provisions has ever been repealed (let me remind you
>that the 1982 repatriation amended but did not repeal the 1867 act)
>so Canada still is a Dominion.

And that same Constitutional act does not even mention the powers of
the Prime Minister. It doesn't mean he is not the effective head of
the country.


-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
                                      Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
Xref: sparky can.general:3604 can.politics:5549
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: The position of E. people coming to QC (was various others)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:05:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 686

From article <SBO.92Jul28083851@froh.vlsi.polymtl.ca>, by sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca
 Stephane Boucher protests:-

> You are really stuborn Steve. And you expect people to
> answer your questions when you do not bother with other's questions.
> 

  Sorry.

  I must have missed something or thought your questions were rhetorical.

  By all means ask again and I'll do my best to answer.

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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