HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:57:33 GMT

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>	If Jym Dyer's source about the Bush campaign staff
>collaborating with Rush Limbaugh is true, then thank the Goddess that
>Clinton was elected! I knew that Bush had appeared on Rush's show, but
>this? And it seems in character with someone who made an issue out of
>Willie Horton to do some Red-baiting. At least he didn't win this

So as of now, there is a one-to-one correlation between a presidential
candidate appearing on RL and losing miserably in the election. But
cheer up, Rush, it's only one data point!

----
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
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From: rhuesca@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob T Huesca)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: clinton e-mail
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:47:06 GMT
Distribution: alt.news-media
Organization: The Ohio State University

i was trying to repost the message from a mass comm. listserver regarding bill 
clinton's e-mail transition team. i'm going to try to do it again, just typing 
it in the old-fashioned way this time. here goes:

"There is a server for campaign and transition info--also, i understand tere 
are extensive archives of press releases and position papers available through 
FTP--even a file of GIF's (presumably of the candidates -- not Gennifer 
Flowers). your best bet is to send e-mail to clinton-wins@campaign92.ord with 
the  subject line HELP. this will get you an extensive list of instructions for
signingup for the mailing lists that interest you. if that doesn't work, try 
CLINTON-INFO@CAMPAIGN 92.ORG."
good luck, rob
From: rhuesca@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob T Huesca)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: clinton's electronic transition
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:28:42 GMT
Distribution: alt.news-media
Organization: The Ohio State University






















i just read my last posting and see that it doesn't make any sense because the 
first part of the message got cut off for some reason.
well, here goes a second try.
a communication list-server that i subscribe to has been sending me press 
releases from the clinton transition team and has also included an e-mail 
address to contact the trans. team directly. i am curious if anyone has used 
the e-mail address, and if so, with what kind of response
i'm also looking for articles in the popular press that have examined the 
e-mail transition device.
thanks for any leads,
rob
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:34:18

In article <1993Jan26.003138.5750@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:

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   From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
   Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
   Date: 26 Jan 93 00:31:38 GMT
   References: <Jym.24Jan1993.2029@naughty-peahen>
   Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
   Lines: 19

   In article <Jym.24Jan1993.2029@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
   >=o= The latest -- January/February 1993 -- issue of _Extra!_ has
   >an even longer article about Limbaugh, focusing on the unusual
   >combination of his (1) working with Bush campaign officials, (2)
   >spending most of his 22-minutes on the air campaigning for Bush,
   >and (3) not being accountable to the FCC or FEC for this on-air
   >campaign time.

   If Limbaugh should be accountable to the FEC and/or the FEC for
   "campaigning" for George Bush, then the producers of Murphy Brown,
   the Bloodworth-Thomases, and the producers of Tiny Toons should
   also be so accountable.  Not to mention Dan Rather/Sam Donaldson/
   Peter Jennings/Ted "Mr. Hanoi Jane" Turner, etc.

   -- 
   Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
   mvp@netcom.com         | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
			  | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
			  | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry

To the victor belongs the spoils.  The Bush Administration couldn't go
after the above people or even the the Government financed bias on
PBS, because the press and Congress were too strong.  However, Jym
Dyer has good reason to hope that with both the Congress and the
Presidency and most of the press and radio, it will be possible to get
rid of Rush Limbaugh and other politically incorrect people in the
media.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:16:38 GMT
	<Jym.27Jan1993.0909@naughty-peahen>
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University

I met with Soviet dissenters many times over the years.  Not the famous
ones, however.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: President Instructs Staff to Follow Strict Ethics Rules
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:54:35 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu


 Posted by: The White House

 President Instructs Staff to Follow Strict Ethics Rules

 Jan. 21, 1993 -- President Bill Clinton today called on his White
 House staff to uphold the highest possible ethical standards and to
 put the needs of the American people ahead of personal ambitions.

 "We just have to be dominated by high standards and clear vision and
 we ought to have a good time doing it," the president said at his
 first meeting with senior White House staff members.

 The meeting, held in the historic Roosevelt Room in the White House's
 West Wing, came one day after Clinton, in his first official act as
 President, signed an executive order establishing the most stringent
 ethical requirements of any administration ever.

 Executive Order No. 1 requires all senior appointees to pledge that
 they will refrain from:

 * Lobbying during the five years after they leave government any
 agency where they have served or which they have had any
 responsibility for as a member of the White House staff;

 * Engaging in any activity on behalf of any foreign government
 at any time after they leave government service;

 * Representing any foreign government or foreign corporation in
 any way within five years of being involved in a trade negotiation
 on behalf of the U.S. government.

    "The ethics rules that we have put forward," said the president,
 "will guarantee that the members of this administration will be
 looking out for the American people and not for themselves."


                                  -0-
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:54:31 GMT


	If Jym Dyer's source about the Bush campaign staff
collaborating with Rush Limbaugh is true, then thank the Goddess that
Clinton was elected! I knew that Bush had appeared on Rush's show, but
this? And it seems in character with someone who made an issue out of
Willie Horton to do some Red-baiting. At least he didn't win this
-- 
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: DEATH OF THURGOOD MARSHALL
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu


                         THE WHITE HOUSE

                  Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release                          January 25, 1993


                   DEATH OF THURGOOD MARSHALL

                          - - - - - - -

        BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

                         A PROCLAMATION


     Thurgood Marshall, an African-American born and reared
in segregated America, was a fundamental force of change in this
Nation.  Perhaps no other American lawyer has had more impact on
the current meaning and content of the U.S. Constitution.  As the
leading attorney for the N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense and Education
Fund, Justice Marshall's twenty-nine victories before the
U.S. Supreme Court breathed life into the text of the Fourteenth
Amendment and guaranteed all Americans equality and liberty in
their individual choices concerning voting, housing, education,
and travel.  As an appeals court judge, the Solicitor General of
the United States and, finally, Supreme Court Justice, he worked
tirelessly to expand and protect his vision of justice for
America.  As our Nation begins to chart its course for the next
century, it is fitting that we pause to honor and remember the
courageous, purposeful life of Thurgood Marshall.

     As a mark of respect for the memory of Thurgood
Marshall, former Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of
the United States, I hereby order by the authority vested in me
as President of the United States of America by section 175 of
title 36 of the United States Code, that the flag of the United
States shall be flown at half-staff upon all public buildings
and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on
all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of
Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories
and Possessions until his interment.  I also direct that the
flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time
at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices,
and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities
and naval vessels and stations.

     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand
this twenty-fourth day of January, in the year of our Lord
nineteen hundred and ninety-three, and of the Independence of
the United States of American the two hundred and seventeenth.

                                   WILLIAM J. CLINTON



                              # # #
From: rwn@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard W. Nelson Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: SLICK TIMES
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:04:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     A new publication out of California called the "SLICK TIMES"
will satirize and otherwise have great fun with Bill Clinton,
Hillary and their administration. It is in a 12 pg. format, and
comes out 4 times a year. For more information or to subscribe,
call 1-800-93-SLICK.
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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow"
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:42:39 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <Jym.24Jan1993.2029@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
]
]=o= The infamous Clinton-meeting-with-the-KGB-in-Moscow smear
]campaign (found, of course, not to be based in fact), was traced
]by _Village_Voice_ reporter Leslie Savan as travelling
]
]    o  from Willie Horton ad designer Floyd Brown
]    o  to Rep. Bob Dornan
]    o  to Moonie newspaper _The_Washington_Times_
]    o  to George Bush.

Of course, anyone who actually LISTENED to Dornan or Limbaugh or Bush
would realize that:
  -Bush never mention meeting with the KGB
  -Dornan and Limbaugh both pointed out that Clinton probably met with
   the KGB and didn't know it at the time. There is ample evidence to 
   that - namely that the KGB shadowed any American going to Moscow
   at the time, and met with and tried to influence any whom they
   thought it useful to influence.
  -very suspect was Clinton's claim to have met with "anti-soviet"
   students at Moscow U. Anyone who knows anything about the way the
   Soviets handled things realizes the utter absurdity of that claim.
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - Tree Hugger's Nightmare: Mt. Graham Red Squirrel Stew ...
 - - Have you ever tried looking at the stars through a squirrel? - - -
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: The Council on Competitiveness
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:38:08 -0500
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu


                           THE WHITE HOUSE

                   Office of the Press Secretary

 For Immediate Release                          January 22, 1993


                         January 21, 1993



                   MEMORANDUM FOR THE ACTING DIRECTOR
                    OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET

 The Council on Competitiveness, established March 31, 1989,
 terminated on January 20, 1993.

 Pending completion of a review, existing Executive orders on
 regulatory management will continue to apply.  You are directed to
 request the agencies described in section 1(d) of Executive Order
 12291 to assure that in publishing regulations, and subject to such
 exceptions as the Director or the Acting Director of the Office of
 Management and Budget determines to be appropriate, all regulations
 must first be approved by an agency head or the designee of an agency
 head who, in either case, is a person appointed by me and confirmed
 by the Senate.



                                    WILLIAM J. CLINTON



                               # # #
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: FAIR Game (was "Willie Horton Goes to Moscow")
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:54:20 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

>=o= There's an interesting item in the December 1992 issue
>of _Extra!_, a publication of Fairness and Accuracy In Media
>(FAIR).  It notes that "liberal media" mythologizer (my words)
>Rush Limbaugh's syndicated TV show often resembled an unofficial
>Republican campaign commercial.
>
>=o= "The resemblance may not be coincidental," it says, "the
>show's executive producer is Roger Ailes, Bush's 1988 campaign
>handler who quietly advised Bush again in 1992."

So what?  If Limbaugh claimed to host a *news* program, FAIR would have a
point. But he has never claimed to host anything but an entertainment
program.  Perhaps FAIR wants to claim that conservatives shouldn't be allowed
to broadcast their opinions? 

>=o= The latest -- January/February 1993 -- issue of _Extra!_ has
>an even longer article about Limbaugh, focusing on the unusual
>combination of his (1) working with Bush campaign officials, (2)
>spending most of his 22-minutes on the air campaigning for Bush,
>and (3) not being accountable to the FCC or FEC for this on-air
>campaign time.

Which only goes to show that the folks at FAIR are either totally ignorant, 
which is implausible, or total demagogues.  Are they whining about the "equal
time" regs?  If so, somebody oughta tell them that they applied only to
*news* shows.  And how does the FEC have any jurisdiction over an
*entertainment* show?  Hell's bells, if that's the case, let's turn in
Saturday Night Live, Arsenio Hall, Whoopie Goldberg, Murphy Brown, and
ANYthing produced by the Bloodworth-Thomas cast -- all of which shows have
publicly stumped for the Democrats for years.

>I have no association
>with this group and have received no compensation in exchange
>for providing this information.

Just as well... you got what you paid for.

------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ 

Paul Havemann   (Internet: paul@hsh.com)

   * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *
         ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine)
Subject: alt.news-media: A dumping ground for propaganda
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:44:23 GMT


Is anybody elsed distresed that this group, alt.news-media, which was
created as a forum for the discussion of media isues has seemingly
become a dumping ground for press releases and propaganda tracts from
various organizations?

I don't mind being made aware of this stuff, but I feel that it is
drowning out other discussion. Would anybody else like to see this
information limited or directed to a more appropriate newsgroup?


-- 
scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- Stuart M. Castergine
Fiver: "Oh, Hazel, look! The field! It's covered with blood!"
Hazel: "Don't be silly, it's only the light of the sunset." -- Watership Down
From: rhuesca@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rob T Huesca)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: clinton e-mail
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:40:19 GMT
Distribution: alt.news-media
Organization: The Ohio State University


Steve Craig, Associate Professor
Dept. of Journalism & Mass Communication
107 Lord Hall, University of Maine, Orono, ME 04469
(207) 581-xxxx: 1277 (Voice); 1283 (Dept); 1286 (FAX).
BITNET: RSCRAIG@MAINE   INTERNET: RSCRAIG@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: alford@alc.com (Mack Alford)
Subject: Re: RE: Media Bias
Organization: Ascent Logic Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:59:33 GMT

In article <mtl2001-170193161655@m248-97.bgsu.edu> mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (MAtt)
writes

>:..... It is only natural that liberals put a liberal slant on
>their news.  Similarly, if conservatives over ran the media business, the
>general public would turn on the TV and open the newspaper to a strong
>conservative bias--just as Rush's show does today.
>                                  **********************************
>....... You have your power bases, and we
>have ours.  Fair fighting.
>                     *************

BZZZZZZZT.  Sorry, when someone who claims to be objective, and then 
deliberatly  slants the news, that is called propaganda, not fair fighting.

Note that Rush is a commentator, which explicitly mixes fact with opinion.  He 
does not claim to be "objective", but to provide an interpretation of the news
 froma specific point of view.  When liberal columnists present their views on
 the opinion and editorial pages, I may vigorously disagree with such opinions 
(my prime example is the drivel dispensed by Richard Reeves, which I regard 
as full of half-truths and hypocracy), but I agree with a newspaper decision to
 run the column.  That is the place where the fighting is fair. 
          However, when the newspaper is pretending to present the NEWS, 
"all the news that is fit to print", then I have some expectation of some
degree of 
objectivity.    At one time, journalists prided themselves for being objective,
and 
claimed all  kinds of priviledges based on" the right of the  people to "know",
and
were respected for it.  Note that they did not claim "the right of the people
to know 
only what we want them to know".  

Now, it appears that many in the media still  want that kind of  respect, but 
can't resist distorting the presentation to re-inforce their particular point
of view. 

      Another  favorite example of bias is the case of the guy up in Idaho who
had the 
confrontation with the FBI.  When reporting the origins of the case, both TV
and 
newspapers reported that the problems started "with weapons charges from the
BATF".  
An indepth article explained that these charges stemmed from the "sale of a
sawed 
off shotgun".  What they did NOT report was that the gun was obtained by the
FBI, 
and charges were drawn up after it was determined that the shotgun barrel was 
ONE-SIXTEENTH OF AN INCH TOO SHORT (less than the width of a saw blade).  
That single fact transforms the entire story from "FBI AFTER GUN RUNNER" to 
"FBI IS USING A TECHNICALITY AS AN EXCUSE TO  HARASS A CITIZEN".  
      There are a number of organizations now trying to publicise this
unfortunate
trend, and they seem to be starting to have some effect.  Public approval of
media
reporters is fast approaching that of lawyers and politicians.  
   As Abraham Lincoln said,  "You can fool some of the people some of the
time....."

--Mack

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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.org.misc
Subject: CLINTON: Remarks by the President in Photo Opportunity
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:35:37 -0500
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu




                           THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary


For Immediate Release                               January 23, 1993

                      REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
                        IN PHOTO OPPORTUNITY

                           The Oval Office

12:08 P.M. EST

             Q    How do you like your new office, Mr. President?

             THE PRESIDENT:  I like it a lot.  It's a wonderful
office.

             Q    Did you read the note that President Bush left for
you?

             THE PRESIDENT:  I did.

             Q    What did that say?

             THE PRESIDENT:  I think we should leave it between the
two us, but it was a very generous note and a very encouraging one.

             Q    Mr. President, what are you doing in pursuit of a
new nominee for the attorney generalship?  How are you going about
this?

             THE PRESIDENT:  I did some work on it yesterday
afternoon and had several extended conversations with people about
potential nominees and gave my staff some instructions to go do some
work on three or four folks.

             Q    Three or four -- men?

             THE PRESIDENT:  Three or four people.  (Laughter.)  I'm
not going to say who --

             Q    Have you talked to any prospective nominees
directly?

             Q    -- so far -- how's it gone so far?

             THE PRESIDENT:  So far I've liked it very much.

             Q    -- surprises so far?

             THE PRESIDENT:  We just got started, you know.  I've got
a lot --

             Q    Will you be keeping Mr. Sessions on?

             THE PRESIDENT:  I don't want to talk about --

             Q    What are you going to do for the rest of the day,
Mr. President?

             THE PRESIDENT:   Work.

             Q    Not jogging?

             THE PRESIDENT:  No, I'm going to go out for a jog later.
And I'm going to do a little work, and I'm trying to get the house
acclimated, get organized.
                                 END                   12:11 P.M. EST


Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
Subject: Re: Nation? Constitution? Where?
Organization: Institute for the Human Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:09:26 GMT

deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes (in a post that only reached my site
just now even though it was sent over a week ago):

>An 'abstract nationality' is the negation of nationality. Consider the 
>USSR. Or Rome.

It's interesting how much of a hold an abstract nationality can have on
people, though.  "Civis Romanus sum" was a proud claim, and the idea of
the Roman Empire remained compelling long after 476 A.D.  And I read
somewhere that even prisoners in Soviet labor camps found it very hard
not to respond to appeals based on their still being "Soviet persons".
-- 
Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
"Alles Erworbne bedroht die Maschine, solange
sie sich erdreistet, im Geist, statt im Gehorchen, zu sein."  (Rilke)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter