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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Apple Stupidity .....
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:50:08 GMT

In article <9209131526.AA28095@apple.com> FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL ("ERIC S FORD") writes:
:>(Suggestion to Andy Nicholas for the next version of ShrinkIt: how
:>about prohibiting the creation of disk archives of ProDOS disks?

:This is computer facism at its worst!!  Simply because it frustrates you
:is no reason to restrict a capability from someone else.  If you really
:want some experience with programs written that way, try the majority of
:MS-DOS wares.
:

Wouldn't it just be better for someone to write a routine to extract the
files folk need from one of these archives?  Or is that one of the things
that Apple II programmers just cannot do?
-- 
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From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Converting PFS files?
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:57:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

David Empson, I tried to contact you via e-mail, but my messages came back.
Here's one of them:

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From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Subject: Re: Converting PFS files?
To: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

Howdy. I have a friend who's been trying for months to convert his old PFS
mailing list to his new Mac LC. We don't have FTP abilities. Could you
possibly e-mail me a copy of PFS.FIL.CONVERT? My friend and I would both 
be grateful.

Thanks!

David :>


===========================================
David Green      dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com
-------------------------------------------
     System Operator of Pro-Harold BBS
   "Moral Support For Intelligent Sorts"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: NDA vs. CDA?
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:13:36 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <14SEP199223494963@rosie.uh.edu> chem8w@rosie.uh.edu (Norby) writes:
> 
> Hello.  I have been using 8-bit Apple IIs for quite a while (ever since
> my father bought a II+ brand new...) and am also familiar with Macs.
> 
> I have as yet never used a gs (can't seem to save up the money for one) and 
> I have been wondering...  What is the difference between a Classic Desk
> Accessory and a New Desk Accessory?  I am used to DA's on Macs, but the 
> terminology for the gs confuses me.

A IIgs "New Desk Accessory" is exactly the same in concept as the
Macintosh's "Desk Accessory", i.e. a small program that is available
under the "Apple" menu in any desktop application.  It usually has a
single window, and shares execution time with the main application and
other NDAs.

A "Classic Desk Accessory" is usually a text-based program that takes
control of the computer until you stop using it.  An example of a CDA
is the Text "Control Panel" built into the ROM on the IIgs (not to be
confused with the NDA "Control Panel" which is available in System 5
and later).
Classic Desk Accesories are accessed by pressing Control-Apple-Escape
and choosing the desired one from a menu.


The term "Classic" is based on the traditional idea of desk
accessories as a small program you call up while in another program,
which takes control until you've finished with it.  Most MS-DOS "TSR"
(Terminate and Stay Resident) programs are "classic" desk accessories.
Borland's "SideKick" is a good example.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: DOS 3.3 Launcher
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 15:24:00 EDT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465

johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean) writes:

> The DOS 3.3 Launcher v1.1 is now being distributed - so keep your eyes
> out.  [Don't ask me to post it to comp.binaries.apple2 - it's shareware].
> In case you missed the previous description it lets you store old DOS
> 3.3 programs and games that use RWTS routines (but not DOS) on your hard
> disk, and launch them from the GS finder (returning when you're finished
> via a CDA).
> 
> A problem with this version is:
> When using the control panel from a DOS program that uses the text screen
> to store code or data, some parts of bank zero are not restored properly.
> I suspect this is the screen holes, but haven't checked yet.
> 
> Questions:
> Is it safe to patch the control panel vector to save and restore screen
> holes?
> If so should this be done as a PIF, or just while the DOS program is
> active (and why)?
> 
> John MacLean.
> -- 
> This net: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au                   Phone: +61 2 427 2999
> That net: uunet!fawlty.towers.oz.au!johnmac             Fax:   +61 2 427 7072
> Snail:    Tower Technology, 1 Apollo Pl,                Home:  +61 2 449 5930
>           Lane Cove, NSW 2066, Australia.


Letterslide and other shareware have been on c.b.a2!!   Larry

InterNet: larry@lablues.UUCP
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From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Appleworks Translator
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:17:51 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep8.150020.3000@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> ralpho@acc.fau.edu (Ralph P Carpenter) writes:
>
>I found that if I Saved from an Mac application to an HFS volume, then
>Finder-copyed the document to a ProDOS volume, the resulting file was not
>forked, and was usable under ProDOS 8.  Directly saving a file from a
>Mac application to a ProDOS volume /did/ result in a forked, unusable
>file.

Mac applications do not generally create forked data files; I believe that
the ProDOS File System manager creates forked files on ProDOS disks
to store file type information.

-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: phonem dictionary
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:35:00 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <NAGENDRA.92Sep7222410@csa.bu.edu>, nagendra@csa.bu.edu 
(nagendra mishr) writes...
>does anyone have a program which talks what is typed?
> 
>I say a program running on an Apple II at the science museum here in
>Boston, but had never seen it before then.
> 
>It basically speaks whatever you type.

  There were a few sound boards (add-on slot cards) which allowed speech
synthesis on most Apple II's with the proper software running it. One example
is Street Electronic's "Echo II" card. 

  In addition you can even create speech synthesis without ANY extra hardware,
using the stock 2-voice (1?) internal speaker of the Apple II! Using nothing 
more than software on a disk will allow it w/o a sound card. You'd be suprised
as programs such as "SAM", gives some pretty impressive results. Although the 
synthesized voice is slightly scratchy, it's still quite audible and almost as 
clear as a hardware based synthesizers! To my knowledge, "SAM" is the only
software-based (no hardware) synthesizer available for the Apple II. I have a 
64k Apple ][+ and the "SAM" program works just fine off that system...
(It includes a 2-3 minute speech demo and an editor which lets you type in 
letters, words and pharses to be spoken).

>Nagendra
>nagendra@csa.bu.edu

Mitchell Spector
spector@vax2.concordia.ca
From: rjd@alpha.sunquest.com (Robert J. Dull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: soundmaster?
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:41:00 GMT
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems, Tucson AZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

My friends Mac has a program called SoundMaster that allows him to
replace the standard system beeps & whistles with more "intersting"
sounds.  Is there anything like that for the GS?  If so where can
I get it and where can I get some sounds to play?  

rjd@alpha.sunquest.com
From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL ("ERIC S FORD")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Accelerator performance
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>        I bought a 8mhz Zip GS around a year ago and only recently
>upgraded it to a 9mhz thru a friend.  What he did was to change the
>crystal and soldered a couple of resistors on board (mine was the
>older
>design) and added faster cache ram chips.  And it works!  All it costs
>me was only S$50 (US$75) compared to what Zip was charging for an
>upgrade (not to mention the freight charges too!).  Anyway, both my
>friend and I pushed our Zip GS's to 9mhz and both cards have been
>functioning perfectly ever since.

Can we get more specifics on how you did this?

When I first started reading this newfeed (roughly 1985) articles like this
one were common and perhaps the best reason for subscribing.  The only
things missing here are the specifics on how to make such a mod (including
even a crude diagram) and the usual caveat -> this will violate your
warranty!

Teach us, Guru, that we may go on to greater speed!!!

Eric S. Ford


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: isc10327@nusunix2.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: Accelerator performance
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:28:32 GMT

FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL ("ERIC S FORD") writes:
: I recently spoke with Quality Computers re: ZipGS performance and cost.  
: They now only carry the 8MHz board.  Their reason is that the 9MHz board 
: still uses the 8MHz processor but incorporates a new crystal to allow 
: pushing that processor to 9MHz -- they expect a resultant decrease in 
: reliability.  Anyone out there care to comment?  I'm on the verge of 
: plunking down the bucks for an accelerator and would appreciate any and all 
: advice/reviews of performance, reliability, and limitations.
: 
	I bought a 8mhz Zip GS around a year ago and only recently
upgraded it to a 9mhz thru a friend.  What he did was to change the
crystal and soldered a couple of resistors on board (mine was the older
design) and added faster cache ram chips.  And it works!  All it costs
me was only S$50 (US$75) compared to what Zip was charging for an
upgrade (not to mention the freight charges too!).  Anyway, both my
friend and I pushed our Zip GS's to 9mhz and both cards have been
functioning perfectly ever since.

: Eric S. Ford
: 
: Internet: forde@uvg.eglin.af.mil or forde@p6.ams.wpafb.af.mil
: Genie: E.FORD6
: 
- DOTW -
I love my Zip GS.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: For John MacLean
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:28:34 GMT


To: John MacLean
Re: DOS 3.3 Launcher

Hi John - I sent you email, but it bounced. Come to think of it, every time
I've ever sent email to Australia, it's bounced. (in case Michael Levine
thought I was ignoring him, I wasn't).

In any case, I got the DOS 3.3 Launcher yesterday, and now I have a blister
on my thumb from playing Robotron until 2AM. It's been a long time since
I've had such easy access to some of my old DOS 3.3 stuff.

So, I don't know how to say this diplomatically, but I'll try anyway.

I don't think you realize just how valuable your DOS 3.3 Launcher is. If
you've ever used AmDOS or UniDOS, you realize how difficult it is for
novices to get DOS 3.3 software onto a hard drive. Your utility makes all of
the other DOS 3.3 utilities obsolete. No one will ever use them agaan, after
using yours.

I'd bet the biggest stumbling block that a lot of IIGS owners have is using
their old software on their new hard drive. Every month at my local user
group, someone asks me how to install some old DOS 3.3 game on their hard
drive. I constantly recommend ELS's Menu Master. It's (relatively) easy to
use, it works, it's menu driven....but, it's not as good as your DOS 3.3
Launcher.

I'll get right to the point. I think you should try to get DOS 3.3 Launcher
published by someone like Seven Hills or Quality. In fact, late at night,
after spending hours and hours messing with my old DOS 3.3 software, I
myself started to fantacize and dream about starting my own software
publishing company so that I could sell DOS 3.3 Launcher. Although I'm not a
business type of person, and don't know anything about marketing or sales, I
believe that I would be willing to pay you some $$$$ up front, in exchange
for the rights to publish DOS 3.3 Launcher myself, or to license it, and
sell it as a $20 product.

Although not everyone is going to want DOS 3.3 software on their hard drive,
for those that do, a $20 elegant solution (such as you have provided) would
be just a small price to pay.

Think about it....

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Kyan Pascal (8-bit machines)
From: robert-s@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Robert Sheehan )
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:40:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: Pascal

Does anyone have a copy of Kyan Pascal they want to sell? It is a version
of Pascal which runs on 8-bit Apples under Prodos.  The company hasn't
been heard of in years.  They also supplied a shell, and graphics and
windowing routines.  I would like these as well.

Alternatively, if anyone knows the copyright owners they may be persuaded
to make the programs freeware or public domain.

I am getting sick of converting Apple Pascal files into Prodos files.
I would really like a Prodos compatible 8-bit Pascal.

Thanks.
-- 
------- Robert Sheehan ---- robert-s@cs.aukuni.ac.nz -------------------------
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: Re: Accelerator performance
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.230154.15547@news.iastate.edu> hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma) writes:
>"ERIC S FORD" writes
>> I recently spoke with Quality Computers re: ZipGS performance and cost.
>> They now only carry the 8MHz board.  Their reason is that the 9MHz board
>> still uses the 8MHz processor but incorporates a new crystal to allow
>> pushing that processor to 9MHz -- they expect a resultant decrease in
>> reliability.  Anyone out there care to comment?  I'm on the verge of
>> plunking down the bucks for an accelerator and would appreciate any and all
>> advice/reviews of performance, reliability, and limitations.
>>
>> Eric S. Ford
>>
>
>	Well, up until the 14Mhz 65816 came out, all Zips above the speed of
>8 Mhz were 8 Mhz chips pushed to go faster. Todd Whitesel (sic) had written

Looking at my 8 Mhz ZipGSX, it's a 7 Mhz 65816, but pushed to do 8.2 Mhz.

>to Zip a while ago upset that his 10 Mhz chip had become damaged from the
>high speeds, and Zip wrote back saying that out of the 10,000+ 10 Mhz zips
>sold, none had become damaged from being ran at 10 Mhz. And later the real
>reason why Todd's processor becoming damaged had been discovered, which was
>unrelated to running at 10 Mhz.
>
>	Now, before the 14 Mhz chip, Zip would buy large quantities of 8 Mhz
>chips and then run them at higher speeds to see if they could run at that
>speed. WDC sells chips rated at 8 Mhz, but many are capable of running faster.
>But there isn't anything wrong with running a chip faster than its rating, or
>at least nothing proven yet.
>
>--
>| Hal Bouma                            | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu    |
>| Macalester College, St. Paul, MN.    | and           HBouma@Macalstr.Bitnet |
> \  Things that make you go Hmmm:  System 6, GNO, DreamGrafix, SoundMeister  /
>  \  Coming sometime this decade for the //GS : NBA! (GNO compatible too!)  /
>   \  Drop by and say hi to us anytime on the #AppleIIGS channel on IRC!!  /

Anyone wants to tell us how to modify the ZipGSX v1.02 so it will accept
the 14 Mhz cpu?  I've asked around about this for awhile now, and it seems
no one really knows, or aren't willing to share... I guess I'll ask
Bill Heineman and see if he wants to write a text file (preferrable for
speeds like 9, 10, 12, and 14 Mhz.)

Jimmy


--
Jimmy Shaw			 RamFAST, ZipGSX and 6.0... Apple II Forever!
jimmys@ics.uci.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Subject: Re: Correct BINSCII suffix (.bsc v .bsq)
Keywords: suffixes, .bsc, .bsq
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:37:46 GMT

In article <6SEP199219040207@rosie.uh.edu> chem8w@rosie.uh.edu (Norby) writes:
>
>My understanding was that .bsq denoted a file that was a file that was Squeezed
>and wrapped with Binary II, all with the old BLU.  Whereas .bxy was a file
>compressed with ShrinkIt, then wrapped with Binary II.  
>
>I've pulled quite a few OLD files off of GEnie with the suffix .bsq and that's
>what they ended up being: after my term program stripped Binary II off, they
>ended in .QQ
>

*.bxy files are compressed using Shrink-It and "packaged" under Binary II
format.

*.bsq files are compressed using Shrink-It and converted to ASCII format
(for maintaining file integrity over networks) using the BINSCII protocol.

*.bsc files are not compressed but are just files that have undergone
conversion to the ASCII format using BINSCII or GSCII+

HERE ARE THE TWO OLDER FORMATS USED WITH BLU IN THE PRE-SHRINK-IT DAYS:

*.bqy files are files that were compressed using "SQUEEZE" format (*.QQ)
and then packaged under BINARY II format.

*.bny files are files that haven't been compressed but have been packaged
under Binary II format.

Paul Schultz
schultp@wl.com

--
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Renaissance...
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:06:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue Sep 08 92 at 10:49:16 (EST)

> From: carndt@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chris Arndt)
> Where I can I find the high speed PORT driver by Bill Heineman?

You can find that PORT driver on America Online.

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From: POSTMASTER@MC.DUKE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Hard Drive problems, Low Level format didn't help!
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:19:29 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Duke University Medical Center, Durham NC, USA

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Subj:	Hard Drive problems, Low Level format didn't help!

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To:
From: isc10327@nusunix3.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: soundmaster?
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:41:27 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

rjd@alpha.sunquest.com (Robert J. Dull) writes:
: My friends Mac has a program called SoundMaster that allows him to
: replace the standard system beeps & whistles with more "intersting"
: sounds.  Is there anything like that for the GS?  If so where can
: I get it and where can I get some sounds to play?  
: 
: rjd@alpha.sunquest.com
: 
	Get GS/OS System 6.0!  The Sound CDev allows u to change
practically every action sound in the GS.  My GS's standard system bell
is now the Photonix beep and it makes noise when I insert a disk, eject
a disk, open/close windows, complains when I insert a bad/unformatted
disk or when it's unable to complete any operation, screams when I dump
things away in the trash can, etc.....

	All the action sounds u want are in System 6.0.

- DOTW -
From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL ("ERIC S FORD")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Project ABSTRACT
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


I now have an Appleworks database setup to accommodate the file 'abstract'
suggestion Larry Virden offered for CCO.CALTECH.EDU.  The database
structure includes:

Program:         <the 'real' program name>
Version:         <self explanatory>
Hardware req'd:         "
Software req'd:         "
Location:        <the full directory pathname where the file resides>
Filename:        <the storage name used at CCO>
Filesize:        <self explanatory>
Author:                 "
Date:            <either date posted or date of the program, if available>
Rem:             <one line description of program>
Keywords:        <category or type description - for database users>

Now we need some volunteers to help fill in the blanks in the first four
and last four fields.  I downloaded the FILELIST text file from CCO.CALTECH
and used it to fill in the Location, Filename, Filesize, and Date posted
information already.  Rather than post the file in its current, sparse
configuration I would prefer to E-Mail copies of it only to those who would
like to help fill it in and post the completed file later.  The plan is to
post both the database itself and a text file version for non-Appleworks
users.  If you're interested in helping, please send E-Mail direct to me
and I'll forward a Binscii'd copy of the database to you.  I'll accept any
amount of help -- even if you're only able to provide the info on one or
two files.

Eric S. Ford

Internet: forde@uvg.eglin.af.mil or forde@p6.ams.wpafb.af.mil
Genie: E.FORD6
From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL ("ERIC S FORD")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: re:Weather.shk...
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:43:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I downloaded the Weather.shk file and had the same problems - neither
flavor of shrinkit will recognize the file.  Subsequently, I used a block
editor to look at this file and another shk file.  The normal shk file
started with the word NUFILE but the Weather.shk file had a stream of
several bytes preceding this. Apparently it was processed by some other
program which adds the additional info and makes it unreadable by Shrinkit.


Eric S. Ford
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Woz certificates
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:01:26 GMT

irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:

>Oh, really?  I registered my Woz and never got a damned thing, not even the
>free magazine or whatever I had checked on the registration card...  

Me neither. I hate Apple sometimes. :)

-- 
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 Procyon, Inc.              |   for the Apple IIgs!   
 bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu         |   P.O Box 620334
 --Apple II Forever!--      |   Littleton, CO 80162-0334   (303) 933-4649
From: meekins@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Woz certificates
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:36:32 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <bazyar.716457686@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
>
>>Oh, really?  I registered my Woz and never got a damned thing, not even the
>>free magazine or whatever I had checked on the registration card...  
>
>Me neither. I hate Apple sometimes. :)
>

only sometimes? >;)