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From: budd@playfair.Stanford.EDU (David Budd)
Subject: Re: just thought
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:33:09 GMT

In article <93022.221502U60132@uicvm.uic.edu> <U60132@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Provoked it? Where are you getting this information from?


Are you saying that fleeing police, driving at speeds of (at prosecution's
own admittance) 85 mph, and charging officers is not provocation?

The point is not that he did not provoke a response. The problem
is that the response was inappropriate, to say the least.
--
David Leung-tak
"You can always tell a Harvard man. You just can't tell him very much."
"A day without sun is night."
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: E2KP000 <E2KP@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Roboboard
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:16:41 GMT

In article <727731517.AA06915@illusion.tpg.org> Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles) writes:
>Hello E2KP,
>
>
>Your previous message about Roboboard said
>
> E2> to get 1.06a or 1.06b as they were bnoth flo s as far as bug fixes go.
> E2> 1.07 - beta tested now - is supposedly going to be released next week.
>
> 1.08 now .... Seems like ROBO is changing version as often as I change
> socks!
>
> E2> If it proves to be stable I will go out of my way to F'req it and post
> E2> it on several sites.
>
> 1.08 is what ROBO should have been all along...

Yes, RObo is now at version 1.08 after an embarrasing bug relaese which
failed to correct the bugs and instead created new ones. I will be getti
g it this weekend and will post on Simtel when I do have it.
Seeing as you have it Yvon, it would make life MUCH simpler if you
could post it to an FTP site for me and others. If you do not have FTP
access please let me know. Perhaps we can work on developing a Simtel
directory for ROBO files? I have been invited by the archivist to do so.
As you are the only other Sysop from Robo_net I see around here it would
helpful if you and I could work this out and make these files avail
worldwide. Seth was going to call me this weekend regarding this proposa
But unlike those Fido goofs - i don't care who is "in charge":) I
would just like to get the ball rolling. Please let me know. While we
seem to get into online debates in the past in the IBM PCGAMES echo re:
copyright law - it would be nice to work together for a change...:)
_______________
Robert Trifts <E2KP@UNB.CA>
From: GENEB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: info re:connection
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:01:25 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu

any information out there or advice regarding least expensive way to connect
 
to national services such as prodigy, as we don't have local access number
 
here.   as you can tell - am new to this  -  thanks
 
 
geneb@latech
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: GIF Menus on BBSs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:11:51 GMT

In article <C1AHA8.IoC@world.std.com> adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin) writes:
>There's already a way to do this: NAPLPS.  This is the graphics format
>used by Prodigy, but one can do a lot more with it than they do.  NAPLPS
>is much better than GIF, IMHO, because its files tend to be *A LOT*
>smaller (especially if you're talking about something like menus).  And it
>has the user-end processing you're talking about; i.e., a NAPLPS menu is
>really a set of directions to your telecom program to draw something on
>the screen, rather than a full-fledged graphics file.

I've seen Prodigy, and knew about the NAPLPS format.  While I've not taken
a close look at the format, it's not really what I'm talking about.  For a 
few reasons:  Even if the protocol can allow the most detailed of designs,
transmission times would still be horrid; constant transmission is unwork-
able with any protocol.  Just transferring the menus once, in GIF format,
perhaps, means almost instant replication of the menus later on.  And, since
GIF is already a popular, and readily-supported format, you gain from that
end as well.

It doesn't really matter what format you use, though; my idea is that instead
of transmitting the menu's information each time you need it, you only
transmit a small code sequence that cues the term prog to display the file,
which is very easy to do.  Heck, you could even speed up just normal ANSI
displays by just dumping a previously-recorded ANSI file to the screen.

...Paul


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: BBS/Offline Development..
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:12:52 GMT

What si the chances of some designing a BBS in a way similiar to a QWK viers
(or other offlien viewer). Where you have the BBS program at home, but the just
the message are online. The rest including the menus and such (that can be
changed by you, I think it is prodigy or ? who has somethng liek this)..Some
one posted this idea before, just hopefully adding some filler(?)..

Other online stuff would be files, but you would get the lists of files sent to
you as part of the offline viewer  stuff and then you would do a "request" the
next time that you sign on that you could down load it (at your choice)..
... Any comments please post them here.. Im maxed out for email space..

==
 Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
 Im not high, just jacked

Xref: sparky alt.bbs:8218 comp.bbs.misc:1891
From: peter@globv1.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: DTS-0001 proposed standard
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:29:54 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

petrilli@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Petrilli) writes:

>The problem I have is that it creates yet another set of "islands" in
>the network that have to be interfaced.  Given, those islands are
>larger, but they are still islands.

That is the difference between the bottom up and top down approach. You
propose a top down approach. The proposed bottom up approach (i.e. the TDS-0001
document) will solve the short term problems of a small group of people. And
a top down approach would solve long term problems. So I don't think that
either way is "better" than the other as they have different goals. In short,
it is good to have a short term solution, but it would be even better to have
a long term solution, a real generic standard, as well.

>It would be better to ignore the
>"operating system specific" concepts and go for REAL standards that are
>usable by everyone rather than a subset.  There's so much that is left
>out of this document that it's difficult to use.

Well, then you're going to talk about functionality and not about
implementation. That would still allow for different implementations of the
same standard to be incompatible. Have a peek in comp.mail.misc, there is a
discussion about "the UNIX mailbox format". All mailboxes use a RFC-822 type
message layout, but there are nevertheless many incompatibilities.

>The best thing to do is just simply adopt the Internet standard which
>will allow for almost anything on the face of the planet.  The date
>standard I mentioned is the european one, not the american one.

That won't help the people that are stuck with FidoNet stuff at all. The
only thing for MS-DOS that looks like a BBS (flames >/dev/null please) and
does USENET and e-mail is Waffle.

>RFCs and other Internet documents are available via anonymous FTP at
>nic.ddn.mil.  There's an index file there (there are currently 1400 RFCs
>and several hundered Internet Drafts).

You can also get them by sending e-mail to <something>@nic.ddn.mil, but I
forgot the <something> part.

Greetings,
Peter Busser
-- 
Hacktic Network Association, bringing Internet to the people
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: USENET bbs
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:25:15 GMT

blackwlf@blackwlf.uucp writes:

>Looking for Usenet and or Mail? (Local to the Atlanta area?)

This is the wrong newsgroup for these type of postings.  If you are
going to be involved with usenet, then please follow the rules and use
alt.bbs.ads for advertisements.

btw, you only offer 100 newsgroups, our machines offer 2400 newsgroups --
so your selection is very limited :)

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: ac617@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Philip C. Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: RE: "Renegade?"
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:37:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


>Renegade is presently in beta testing. It's being written by Cott Lang
>and there are some nice features in it that you won't find in Telegard.
>There is a lot of support for it. There is a Renegade echo in the ITC
>net where you can report the bugs you found and give your suggestions.
>Presently the program is free to use. I can give you the phone numbers
>of the support board if you want. I just don't have it handy.

You can download or freq Renegade from me at 1:157/554 or 85:867/1
or 85:867/103.  I'm running the Ohio Telegard Support System, 
which is also the ITCNet hub for Northeast Ohio.  The BBS is
called Analytical Engine.

Telegard v2.7 is also worth checking out!
-- 
				Phil Roberts

		Analytical Engine BBS  --  (216) 942-3876
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.waffle
From: imelven@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Melven)
Subject: Help with Waffle finger command
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:07:13 GMT

I am attempting to set up Waffle v1.65 as a stand alone BBS. Everything's 
going well, however when you 'finger' a user, it displays their real name
and phone number. I'd like to have this information in the user file for
my records, but I don't want it displayed wth a 'finger'. Is there any way
I can change the info returned by a 'finger' command? Thanks.
.
:ZZ

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: lundberg@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Andrew Jon Lundberg)
Subject: Re: Archivers and Types..
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:14:20 GMT

3386838@Jeff-Lab.QueensU.CA (Wes Garland) writes:

>.ZIP -> PkZip, from Phil Katz. My choice of an archiver. V110 is the standard,
>	2.04C just came out and offers better compression, speed, and size
>	than ARJ but is bug-riddled. I'm sure a fix will come out in 3-4
>	months.

PKzip 2.04e has been released, and fixes all the bugs I heard reported in 2.04c.

Andrew
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: 3386838@Jeff-Lab.QueensU.CA (Wes Garland)
Subject: Re: Search capabilities in BBS's?
Reply-To: 3386838@Jeff-Lab.QueensU.CA
Organization: Terminal Velocity Kingston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:34:07 GMT

In article 3901@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, mcover@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Coverdill) writes:
>   I am not that familiar with all the different BBS's out there in
>cyberspace but the few I have seen are limited in one thing I am
>looking for. I would like to store text based documents and allow
>users to search through the system on keywords of their choosing.
>Something perhaps similiar to rn but with the ability to search each
>article for a string not just the header. The system would return the
>articles marked with the string highlighted. Something like a
>hypertext stack now that I think about it. Does such a system exist in
>BBS form? in PD or Shareware?

Hi Mark!

Maximus can do something similar with its message areas (with the Browse
command, you can search for strings in any or all or some of the To, From,
Subject, or Body fields).  You can either read the whole message, or display
the message number and a one-line description with the To, From and Subject
fields.

Cheers,
Wes

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mpeters@pax.eunet.ch (MBX Michael Peters)
Subject: Fido or other BBS in CH.
Organization: EUnet Login/Mailbox Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:50:07 GMT


I recently crashed my system.. I had most everything backed up but I need 
to find fidonet nodes in this area.. 

(I remebered the phone number for this account.)

Again: Switzerland Fidonet nodes.

TIA 
m.


(JIC, TIA means thanx in advance)
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.ads,alt.bbs.internet,alt.bbs.waffle,alt.bbs.lists
From: rkelly@shearson.com (Richard A. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Need Info.
Reply-To: rkelly@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:35:43 GMT


I am in the process of researching the best way to set up a BBS on a
SPARC 2.  I would like to have an Internet connection (preferrably a
direct connection, 56K min).  What I need to know is:

What are some of the best BBS packages on the market?  Where can they
   be found and is there any cost associated?

What is the best way to get connected to Internet? (PSI..etc.)

What are some of the most popular games and forums?  Where can they be 
   found?

Thank you for your help.

When responding please also reply to me directly at 'rkelly@shearson.com'
I do not get to log in often.

rich

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From: marlow@sys.uea.ac.uk (Keith Marlow PG)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Development Newsgroup. Interested?
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:22:28 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>Would anyone be interested ina BBS-Development newsgroup.. generally for
>programmers, but also open to Sysops (all types) and users of BBSes..

>I have seen alot of BBS types, and netware, front doors, and other 
>items for BBSes and such.. Maybe it is time to list them, and to find ways to
>standardize BBSes a bit (atleast make better ways to integrate)..

	I vote a big YES for such a newsgroup - it is something which is
lacking here considering the number of developers & developing BBS's on the
internet now.

  Keith Marlow
--
Keith Marlow,              *  Phone Cyclone BBS on 0603 260973; 100Mb of
Information Systems P/G,   * downloads for Arc's & Beebs + associated fidonet
University of East Anglia, * echoes + all information on commercial radio +
Norwich. Norfolk NR4 7TJ   * + Acorn support area. Running on Archiboard s/w.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: DTS-0001 STANDARD VS OTHER.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:39:29 GMT


I LIKE BETTER THE IDEA THAT ANYTHING AFTER THE @ IS DEFINING THE COMPUTER TO
THE INTERNET. EVERYTHING BEFORE THE @ IS UPTO THE LOCAL COMPUTER TO FIGURE
OUT.. I CAN SEE THE POINT ABOUT NOT USING THE "FIDONET" STANDARD..


(SORRY FOR THE CAPS, IM NOT AT HOME AND THIS MACHINE IS CRAZY, OLD IBM PC.)

MICHAEL ADAMS
NSMCA@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU
USED TO BE 1-9709@WWIV.COJONES.COM OR 1@9709 ON WWIVNET.


Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mfroedge@lunatix.uucp (Maxwell Froedge)
Subject: Venezuela
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:41:25 GMT

I am looking for access to the Usenet in Caracas Venezuela.  It
needs to be free of charge similar to many of the public access
BBSes in the U.S

Maxwell
From: mxh@Autodesk.COM (Martin Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: TeamMate UNIX BBS?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:46:22 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

I am trying to find out any information I can on this product.  I do not even
have a company name.  I seem to remember TeamMate as a UNIX-based BBS (bulletin
board system).  Any information or pointers would be appreciated.

                                        Thanks,
                                        ----Martin----


----Martin---- 		Martin L.W. Hall, M.S. Cyb.Sys.
mxh@autodesk.com  	(415) 491-8851
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:8217 comp.bbs.misc:1890
From: peter@globv1.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: DTS-0001 proposed standard
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:00:21 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

petrilli@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Petrilli) writes:

>[ Narrow-minded DOS drivel deleted. ]

>While I think that there is an excellent concept in standardizing BBS
>software so that it can talk to eachother, the document you sent out is
>worthless to a large number of people.

The same goes for other things. E.g. I'm not interested in RBBS discussions,
but does that mean that I have to flame people who do?

>There are more people on Usenet
>than on FideNet, so the mail addresses are useless.

Try:

  Joe.User@p<point#>.f<node#>.n<net#>.z<zone#>.fidonet.org

It'll work.

>Why don't people
>just use the standards that are already there.

Because everyone thinks to know how to do things better than everyone else.
Not just better, but "The Best Way to do Things Ever<tm>".

>	Config file:	Is it really that important?

It is if you want real open systems (i.e. where every part can be replaced by
some other (equivalent) part).

>	Phone numbers:	Same thing: ISO standard: +1 XXX XXX XXXX
                                                  ^^ That should be +31!

(Not everyone lives in the States. :-)

>Seems to me that this is creating yet another set of "standards" for use
>by a group of people who are destined to exclude others.

That's IMHO often not the first intention, but an unfortunate side effect.

>Remember, not everyone uses COMMAND.COM as their shell. (And thank gods
>for small favors like that :-)  Don't be so narrow in focus.

You bet I thank the gods for that (I'll do an extra #offer to please them the
next time I play nethack :).

>The
>Internet has developed a lot of standards and they've been tested,
>implemented, and PROVEN interoperable with hundereds of thousands of
>machines all over the world, why re-invent the wheel?

I think that that is the main reason why people shouldn't try to insist on
making their own protocols (so called "standards").

>Especailly when
>the one you're inventing is square?

Greetings,
Peter Busser
-- 
Hacktic Network Association, bringing Internet to the people
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: lundberg@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Andrew Jon Lundberg)
Subject: Re: WWIV flexi? UUCP Op, WWCP? VBBS..
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:10:54 GMT

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>In article <C1IuHM.Dt5@javelin.sim.es.com>, tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel) writes:
>> i'm putting up a board in february with a UUCP connection.  i'm searching for
>> the 'best' options in regards to BBS software.  i ran a WWIV board back in the
>> days of version 3.21D and have called BBS' running later versions -- some i'm
>> familiar with that package.  thought it was decent, but it's not like i'm
>> emotionally attached to it or anything.
>> ...

>Last version of WWIV that I have heard of is WWIV 4.21, Net30 (for WWIVnet
>netting). There is a file to convert Waffle packets to WWIVnet and visa-versa
>called WWCP, send email to 1-9704@wwiv.cojones.com or roy@cybrspc.com and ask
>about it... I think you can get a copy of it someplace FTP (not sure).
>You would need the source code (about $50 for source) and TC++ (I believe) to
>edit the source, to add the "." to the base WFC menu is easy.. I did it by
>moving some code around from inside the source.. not sure of the MOD I tused..
>MOD=Modification for WWIV source code.. Ask Filo if you can about MODs..
>If you can email on WWIVnet send email to 1@9714 or 1@501 for info..
>the 1@501 is a WWCP gateway to waffle(?) I think..

>Far as I know there is no source code out for VBBS, but last I heard someone in
>Ireland (Northern?) wrote a modification for it so that VBBS can gate to
>fidonet or was it UUCP, inclluding WWIV and VBBS nets..

>IF you can get ahold of WWIV or VBBS netted BBSes might ask around there to..


>Michael Adams
>Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
>nsmca@acad2.alaska.edu
>(used to be 1@9709 on WWIVnet)


A few minor corrections:

  The current version of WWIV is now 4.22 (dated 1-23-93).
  The currnt net software is Net32.

  Source code (in QuickBasic) is available for registered VBBS users.

Andrew Lundberg
lundberg@cs.jhu.edu
1@4067 on the WWIVnet
From: abolins@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Door Programs
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:26:13 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

devinm@nason109.its.rpi.edu (Benjamin Douk) writes:

> I have been looking all over the place for the door programs Studs and
  Studettes
>
> P.S.  Could you please mail it to me at devinm@rpi.edu

                               Tom Wildoner
                             397 West Broadway
                              Jim Thorpe, PA
                                  18229
                            VOICE (717)325-9480
                   *between 5:30 & 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time

                                  From

                               The T&J BBS
                              (717)325-9481
                        1200/2400/9600/19200/38400
                               24 Hours/Day

(Hope this helps.)


-- /|ugust /|bolins -------------------------[ abolins@visavis.cam.org ]--
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: T0FG000 <T0FG@UNB.CA>
Subject: Fidgeting network
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:15:31 GMT

Oops... braindead IBM mainframe spellchecker pulls one over on the
unsuspecting user. ;)

<sigh> Will.


---------------------------------------- William Burrow
Internet:  t0fg@unb.ca                      |
           will@p1.f14.n255.z1.fidonet.org  | I'm not UNB, thats
Fidonet:  1:255/14.1                        | someone else...
From: wrc@po.CWRU.Edu (Wesley R. Cherry Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: cccf
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:34:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


looking for any and all info on the 

Chaos Computer Club France (CCCF)

the general secretary is a man named Jean Bernard Condat

plaese mail info to   EUGENE.F.LYTLE@CYBER.WIDNER.EDU

thanx
-- 
"The limits of the language are 
the limits of the world."   Wittgenstein
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop