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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T3 PAL VHS Letterbox When?
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:30:20 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

rchandle@maths.tcd.ie  writes:
> In Ireland and the UK T2 has just been released on sell-through
> video. Great and about time too. But the release is only in
> the contemptable 4:3 ratio of the TV screen which hardly
> does justice to T2 in all its widesreen glory.
> 
> Does any wise individual out there know when a letterboxed
> version is coming out in Ireland/UK ?
> 
> Also what is the address of Guild Home Video so I can write to
> them demanding they hurry up with its release? 

If your P&S version of T2 is the same as the one we have here
in the US, don't knock it too hard. Cameron filmed the movie in
35mm and then matted it down to the 2.35:1 aspect ratio. When
the movie was transferred to video, it was unmatted, resulting
in less loss off the sides and more picture on the top and
bottom. I agree that TV's aspect ratio is "contemptible" in
comparison with the full theatrical AR, but in this case it
isn't nearly as bad as it might have been.

Steve
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From: jpark2@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (John J Park)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: R.A. Heinlein
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:38:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6Ms6.E0t
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


 Hell, pick any thing written by the master(RAH), and it could be a great movie,especially:      The Cat Who Walked Through Walls(although an ending would be weird)
		 Stranger(which is being done)
		 Revolt 2100
		 Friday


		 Or anything with Lazarus Long, maybe Methusalah's Children.
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From: SINARRWB@admin.uh.edu (BELL, ROBERT W.)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:17:23 GMT
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Books that might make good films...shrug

- Contact, Sagan
- In His Image, ???? (I forget..sci-fact ??)
- Necromancer, Gibson 
- Ring World, Niven
- Messiah, Heinlein
- Rendezvous with Rama
- Gods of a Different Sort, Me :^)

Bob
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Tremors
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:02:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.210244.29425
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In article <1992Oct9.174641.7175@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
>rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher) writes:
>>  Will there ever be a Tremors II?
>
>God, I hope not. One was way more then enough.

You're kidding!? This is one of my favorite movies, especially since it 
had Reba McEntire in it. I still crack up whenever I think of the rec 
room scene - this movie took every horror movie cliche and turned and 
twisted them into a great flick.
-- 
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From: gschlesi@scott.skidmore.edu (gabriel schlesinger)
Subject: plot question
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:03:31 GMT

It seems to me that probably the Storm Troopers thought that there was
no need for further pursuit, what are the chances of people surviving
the trash compactor?  Why didn't they shoot in there?  I don't know.
Probably would have brought a speedy end to the movie.

-gabe
From: ss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien kits again
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:23:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk's message of 13 Oct 92 14:02:20 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Oct 92 14:02:20 GMT, adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) said:

adrian> In addition, they had a "Drop Ship Missile Pack" costing 5.30
adrian> pounds.  This is a little white metal kit intended to add some
adrian> detail to the "Drop Ship" kit.  It comes in a small plastic
adrian> bag with a card stapled over the top, and the card indicates
adrian> that it comes from: S.H.E.D. Models, 118 Bourne Road, Swindon,
adrian> Wiltshire SN2 2JW No mention was made of mail orders; if you
adrian> could read the card you could buy the kit on the spot.  If
adrian> your model shop doesn't have the kit, you could try writing to
adrian> the above address.

Anyone know any US stores that carry the Drop Ship detailing kit?
--
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Return of the Jedi - what I didn't like (again)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:28:36 GMT

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>In article <BvzDru.753@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>>True.  However, we have to keep in mind that the Rebellion has been going on
>>for quite some time.  By now, Han and Lando have pretty much grown out of 
>>their "seedy pirate" image--they're generals in the Rebel Alliance by now,
>>for Yoda's sake.  This change in personality is bad news for fans (such as
>>yourself, apparently) who prefer the hard-nosed, tough-guy Han and Lando,
>>but good news for fans (such as myself) who thought it was pretty neat that
>>these two characters have redeemed themselves for their mercenary past and
>>developed into full-fledged Good Guys.

>But why do they have to 'redeem' themselves?  Why do they have to be 'full-
>fledged Good Guys'?  One of the things that I liked about Star Wars and
>even The Empire Strikes Back was that the "good guys" weren't always good,
>and the "bad guys", well, they were always bad. :-)

>But everything wasn't so damn black-and-white like it was in Jedi.

As I said, it's a matter of taste.  My feeling is that the Star Wars
universe is black-and-white, like it or not.  For example, the Jedi
certainly don't appear to have much room for moral ambiguity--you either
follow the Dark Side, or you don't.

Personally, I'm glad that Han and Lando cleaned up their respective acts.
I mean, we discover at the end of ANH that Han is a nice, principled guy
despite his hardened exterior; why bother to keep up the facade in later
movies?

>>Cheesy dialogue is a staple of the Star Wars films.  Even so, I found the
>>dialogue in ROTJ to be much, *much* less awful than in ANH.  "Governor
>>Tarkin!  I recognized your foul stench the moment I set foot on this battle
>>station."  Ugh.

>C'mon, at least get the quote right if you're going to criticize it.

Don't have a Bantha.  My purpose was to draw attention to the quote, not
to quote it exactly, secure in the (obviously correct) knowledge that
the readers of this newsgroup would know what I was talking about.  I
might add that I wasn't the only person who found this line cheesy; Carrie
Fisher herself mentioned that it took many takes before she was able to
say it without laughing.  (Unfortunately, I can't recall where I read this
tidbit.  "Skywalking," perhaps.)




                        --Steve Stelter
                          sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:37:06 GMT
Subject: Re: DARTH VADER vs. T1000
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies

Yup, I loved this bit.  When I first went and saw the film, the bit with the
T1000 in the helicopter annoyed me, because it should have crashed, but the
next time I saw it, I saw the third arm.  Nice touch!
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From: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Computers or physical? (was Re: Is not! Is too! Is not! Is too!)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:49:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu

>
>Well, perhaps what we really disagree on is the definition of 'traditional'.
>In the all the literature I read prior to the Old Star Trek, 'android' meant
>a flesh and blood, or biological, but synthetic or manufactured human.  For 
>that matter, I haven't read anything since in which androids were electro-
>mechanical. 
>
>If by traditional you include post-Old Star Trek Sci Fi, and/or popular 
                                                                 ^^^^^^^
>dictionaries (e.g. Webster's or Oxford) then you are right.  Personally
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^              ^^^^^^
>I think we are each right, but in different contexts.  The use of the term


Hold up.

Go to a library sometime - a LARGE librariy, that is - and check out the 
Oxford English Dictionary.

It is twenty or so LARGE volumes.  And costs (I believe) more than 2000
U.S. dollars.

Definitely NOT a popular format!  :-)

 
>--
>dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov  
> |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |
> |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |
> P.S.  Yes, I'm also one of those snobs who distinguishes between SF, and
> Sci Fi.
  ^^^ ^^^
Do you pronounce that, "sky-fi"?  :-)

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did you kill in battle,        peace - in peace sons bury fathers, but in war
Patroklos, when the gods       fathers bury sons.  It must have been heaven's
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From: stevep@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Aliens (New Book?)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:44:29 GMT


	I just picked up a book called "Aliens (Earth Hive)" book 1 by an 
author named Perry. It states it is a Dark Horse Novel and has CBS Fox all
over the covers. I have only read the first 2 chapters and there is nothing
about Aliens vs Preditors but it does have the same atmosphere (So far) as 
Aliens (The second movie). There is no mention of Aliens vs Preditors 
(Thank goodness), but it seems to be a good candidate for a movie if there 
going to make a part 4.
From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Halcyon ALIEN kits?
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:33:10 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <SS.92Oct6080012@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>
>Alien Warrior with egg (plactic kit)
>Alien Warrior (Vinyl kit)

Also a brown Alien from "Alien 3".

>Nostramo (sp?) (Big bucks. $185)

If the sign in our local model shop is correct, this one is a limited release
kit - 5000 worldwide.  That is why it is expensive.

>Kit of the dead Alien Pilot from the first movie (forget the actual name)

Space Jockey.  At least, that's what the box calls it.

-- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T3 ?? What's the deal?
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <s892031.718852895@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>, s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Pumpkin Power) writes...
>glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
>>	Pardon me if this is in a FAQ somewhere (I looked and couldn't
>>find a FAQ posted), but I read on this newsgroup a while back a post
>>wherein someone quoted a newspaper article that announced the
>>forthcoming Terminator 3 movie.  What's the deal.
>>	The alleged article told of a nnews conference held by Cameron,
>>Arnie, Linda Hamilton, et al., and said that the flick will be out in
>>the summer of '93.  While I cringe at the thought of a third Terminator
>>movie (how could they do it??), if Cameron is behind it, I'm willing to
>>hold out some hope that it may be good.
> 
>He was pulling your chain.  There was no such newspaper article, he
>made it up - a few people followed up having been unable to find any
>such article in the paper he mentioned.

     It was there, in the LA Times, I SWEAR IT!  :-)


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:43:34 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Oct7.173208.8611@cc.tut.fi>, by jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia):
> In article <1992Oct6.103019.19815@lut.ac.uk> K.R.Catchpole3@lut.ac.uk writes:
 
>>but I thought one of the main themes in BR
>>was the fact that Deckard IS NOT a replicant

> It is still the main theme, because 'Deckard is a replicant'--claim
> comes out only at the end, when Deckard finds the folded unicorn from
> the floor.

It is not (assuming you accept the unicorn as proof that Deckard is a
replicant), since conclusions drawn from an invalid premise are not
valid.
-- 
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From: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: BR: Raw oysters, boiled dogs, tequila worms, calfskin wallets.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:11:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
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In a previous article, ben@abby.chem.ucla.edu () says:

>Re: Calfskin wallets:
>
>Because real animals are so rare; killing or harming them for any reason
>is illegal, and considered to be revolting, uncivilized, and generally 
>socially unaceptable.
>

Then I guess the world has gone veggie!  Well, I'm ready...  :-)

I guess that Deckard was sucking on a robotic tequila worm in that bar...

Really, now.  I gathered from the movie that animals were scarce, but
by no means extinct.  How about the line about a meal of raw oysters and
boiled dog?  They can't be as rare as the assertions of Zhora
and Rachel would suggest.

If they had been wiped out by radiation or toxins, humans would also be
experiencing problems and NO Japanese actress would have been promoting
the use of birth-control pills on ANY billboard!!

If they had been decimated (but not wiped out) by pandemic, unless 
humans had been somehow unaffected by the pandemic, we would have
had to develop a cure/treatment for ourselves which we would almost
certainly have extended to the domestic animals - dogs, cows, etc.

And I still don't know why the mere POSSESSION of a calfskin wallet
would be a crime.  It could be twenty years old, for crying out loud.

Hold on - I just had a brainstorm (the milk and cookies kept me awake).

I know... there was a nuclear and/or biological war between the
United States and Japan, which Japan won.  ALL animal goods are the
sole and proprietary right of Japanese citizens or soldiers to possess,
by law.  The actress is promoting the use of contraceptives AMONG
AMERICANS ONLY.
To apply for a civil service job (such as cop) one must be bilingual in
Japanese and English.  The Japanese are also working with good old boys
like Tyrell to replace persons of authority with replicants, so that
Deckard and Bryant are both replicants!

Everything is so much clearer now!

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 
(-: (-: (-: (-: (-:


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Whom first, whom later         No one is fool enough to choose war instead of
did you kill in battle,        peace - in peace sons bury fathers, but in war
Patroklos, when the gods       fathers bury sons.  It must have been heaven's
were calling deathward? HOMER  will that this should happen...      HERODOTUS
From: corwin@ensta.ensta.fr (Gilles Gravier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Wars in French item
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:14:28 GMT
Organization: ENSTA, Paris, France
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In article <goudswaa.717574112@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) writes:
>I had been watching a French (Canadian?) version of Star Wars a few weeks
>back, and the names of the 'droids were D2R2 and C3P7.  Anyone have any
>idea why they did this?  A ex says that C3P7 shortens the syllables, and
>R2D2 would simply be a French tongue-twister.  Any other reasonable
>explanations?
>

	Well, if you're talking about translation, check this:
Still in Starwars:

US   <--->   French
Darth Vader - Dark Vador
Han Solo - Yan Solo
Chewbacca - Chictaba
R2D2 - D2R2
C3P0 - Z6P0 (not C3P7 as said earlier)
Millenium Falcon - Millenium Condor (why the heck change that!)
17000 credits - 22000 credits (Han Solo's fare for Luke and Ben)

And so on...

It is interesting to note that in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi,
the names revert to their original US versions... 'Guess to many people
comyplained about the stupidity of such a translation!

Cheers!

Gilles.

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From: popmak@columbia.dsu.edu (KYLE M POPMA)
Subject: Re:  Arnie's Next Movie
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:48:37 GMT

I heard Arnie's next movie is called The Last Action Hero.  Has anyone else 
heard this?
From: neal@NeoSoft.com (Neal Symms)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: TRON/HEAVY METAL/DUNE/BLADE RUNNER
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:26:14 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <9210152026.AA07760@rutgers.edu> BRADHAMP@ASHLEY.COFC.EDU writes:
>
>Are TRON and HEAVY METAL available on tape?  if so, how can I get copies?
>If not, why not? [they were both really good flicks]
>
Actually, a friend in Germany has a German version of HEAVY METAL.  Evidently
a slightly edited version was released in europe.  He keeps asking me for an
English-language version, since his is missing some scenes.
-- 
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From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T1000
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:56:51 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <92280.094917U59849@uicvm.uic.edu>, by U59849@uicvm.uic.edu:
> Did anyone else noticed in the chase scene between Arnold and the T1000.  While
> driving down the expressway in the SWAT Teams truck, the T1000 had to reload
> and while doing so he controled the helicoper with his both hands while reloadi
> ng with a third.  It a quick scene, but if you have slow motion with your VCR
> you can notice it, then again if you pay strict attention I think it's noticabl
> e.

heaps of people have probably said this by now, but he even has a FOURTH
hand if you look closely

BTW, notice that just after this arnie brakes and the chopper smashes
into the truck, totally demolishing the front half of the chopper, but
when the chopper crashes on the road and rolls over the front half
is without a scratch?

Cav.
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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: plot question
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:37:59 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


This may sound ridiculous, but I always thought the garbage smasher
was not turned on because they knew the rebels were on there. If it was
on purpose, wouldn't the empire have somebody to make sure they got
smashed? And wouldn't the Empire realize when R2 turned it off?
Just a thought.
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Tremors
Date: 9 Oct 1992 12:29:00 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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  Will there ever be a Tremors II?
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re:  Arnie's Next Movie
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <popmak.9.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, popmak@columbia.dsu.edu (KYLE M POPMA) writes...
>I heard Arnie's next movie is called The Last Action Hero.  Has anyone else 
>heard this?

     THE LAST ACTION HERO is at CarolCo, I believe.  The script
     brought big bucks at auction.  Last I heard, Bruce Willis
     was attached, and John McTiernan as director... but things
     do change.  Dunno currently.
     Last thing I heard about Schwarzeneggar was that he would
     executive produce, and possibly costar, in the next Saturday
     Night Live big screen adaption - Yes, Hans and Franz are 
     making the jump to features.

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn)
Subject: Re: R.A. Heinlein
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:16:50 GMT

In article <Bw6Ms6.E0t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpark2@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (John J Park) writes:
> Hell, pick any thing written by the master(RAH), and it could be a 
> great movie,especially:      
>	The Cat Who Walked Through Walls(although an ending would be weird)
>		 Stranger(which is being done)
>		 Revolt 2100
>    ***	 Friday

Now that is a movie Hollywood would probably like to make.  A rather
well built young female star who goes around for long scenes without any
clothes :-).  
>
>
>		 Or anything with Lazarus Long, maybe Methusalah's Children.
>

Aragorn
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