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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: RICHH: PLOOK!
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:32:42 GMT
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Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU> writes:

>On Sat, 12 Sep 1992, Graham Toal wrote:

>> That's because some asshole indiscriminately xposted some random tripe
>> to three usenet groups and us.  Now we'll get the followups for months.
>> Bloody rich, that's what I call it.

>Usenet kultur, I call it.


Hey, followups were directed outta here.

go figure.

RICHH

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Subject:      Re: My trip- the conclusion.
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Posted on 8 Sep 1992 at 13:13:47 by Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366
>on one of the best run public transit systems in the world.(the Paris Metro)

Aren't you confusing it w/ the Washington metro?  I wasn't impressed w/ the
Paris Metro--I was there for three weeks, and a strike went on for the
whole time; began before I came, finished after I left.  I also got
bronchitis from the air in the metro--or lack thereof.  But, this was
in January, a non-touristy time.

Karen
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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> 	Class of 40 students. 37 interested ones showed up. Pop quiz:
> 	"Define (scribbles it on the board) DISINTERESTED"
> 	in 10 words or less.
>
> That was why I suggested a wording, in case Natalie asked a stupid
> question like that.  Fortunately Natalie knows better, but the response
> to this question is of even less value than that to mine.

Sorry.  Although neither of the proposed wordings is "right" for getting
untainted results (or at least as untainted results as possible -- most
results of linguistic fieldwork are tainted to some degree), Jim's is
better than Graham's.  The best method would be to hear the informant
using the word and then asking him/her to explain it.  (Probably the
meaning would be clear in context, making the second part unnecessary.)
Oh -- I mean hearing it without its having been directly solicited by
the fieldworker.

> You're not testing their active vocabulary - by just giving one choice
> you're liable to drag from their input lexicon the value of the
> closely-coupled 'uninterested'.  That's why I suggested you
> present both words.

You're more likely to test their active vocabulary that way than by
presenting both words to them.

> Also that's why I suggested asking who had heard of both first.  If
> on seeing both, they haven't heard of disinterested they can no longer
> answer the question.

I agree that "don't know the word" should be an option.

> on *different* students (who haven't had either of these words
> primed) asking 'what is another word for 'unbiased'.

This also does not mean that "distinterested" in that sense is part of
their active vocabulary.  However, the point about not priming them
is a very good one -- a very important one in this kind of research.

Hope this makes sense.  I'm running late right now.  Not much e-mail time
today, alas.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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Rod,
 You might want to be careful about the mention of knees around here.  It
could get you up a tree.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:22:46 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Meet the Gresge!
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On Sat, 12 Sep 1992, Graham Toal wrote:

> If this turns out to be merely recycled talk.bizarre schtick we're
> not going to be impressed & Abh isn't going to marry you...


Awww, Graham, can I, can I, huh, pleeeeze? Just for a little?

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:48:19 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Family Tree
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>.
>           bayla-----rita czarina--natalie--love judith
>               m. <ts>
>             :
>             :
>     ---------------------------------
>     :           :                   :
>   ndh        doris                 -ggs
>    m.?          m. ?                  m. shag (1)

Does all this mean that I'm "Aunt Mama" now?

love, judith
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: SEX ID

Sorry, Rita, but I'll pass...  I don't care how cute he is, but the music
and the car show he's definitely not my type...

JMW
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: The Joneses
Date: 7 Sep 1992 00:44:32 GMT
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In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>> Regarding my last posting (an e-oops): see how starved for Words-L
>> traffic one is after just 29 hours?
>>
>
>Has it done any good?  It appears as if Words-L itself has set no mail. :-)
>
It sure ahsn't done me any good.:-)
BTW all - I got off the phone with Adam about half an hour ago.  He's
coming to CT for dinner on Thursday, to eat and mess with a computer.  It's
only a lowly '88, but it serves quite well as a dumb terminal.:-)  

Later, and hopefully busier listwise,
Ruth
-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Subject: Re: Gleanings (58
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:11:40 GMT
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In a previous article, mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU () says:

>to those who read mostly mysteries....Please name your
>favorites.  Has anyone tried Aaron Elkins..e.g. Old
>Bones, whose detective Gideon Oliver is a forensic
>Anthropologist? MG

Yup.  Some of them are good, but a few are pretty far-fetched.:)  Then again,
so are many Agatha Christie books; it never stopped anyone from reading them.
How about Margery[sp] Allingham?   The Albert Campion stories?  Now there's
an example of an upper-class highly intelligent dude who pretends to be a
certified twit.:)  

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:49:28 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Prof. Smith's Fiction
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              Sep 14, 92 5:23 pm

>
> As an employee of the D. H. Hill Library at North Carolina
[...]
>   10) Hopefully, I have done my part in clearing up any misunder-
> standings concerning the way things are run in this library.
> .
> Thanking you for your time,
> George McPherson, Special Staff Assistant
> Circulation Desk, DHHL
>

Gatcha!!!

or ???

What's going on here? Is this a feud between the library and "Prof. Smith"?
Or maybe this post is the sort of promotional stunt which assures that
readers who otherwise may not have read said  "fiction" would now feel
compelled to go and read every last syllable - sort of- along the
lines of banning books to make them sell?


Agnes
who is quite ~~~~Swamped
			~~~~~~~
				~~~~~~~~
				but still intrigued...


PS
(boy, it's hard to keep up with this list - how do you guys do it?
I'm not complaining, mind you, but wondering how you guys can get
things done and *still* keep up a lively TOPICAL exchange on words-l...?
...in my mailbox still sit some  1600++ messages I have
received in just the last few days, mostly from this
list, and those are just the ones I haven't had a chance
to *fully* read (and savour) yet!!
(of course I loathe to delete them, some are so delish...
but one can't hog diskspace for long around here without
the wrath of the node khan decending...
Whew...)
Agnes (who is definitely NOT a ghost)
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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> We ought to get Giggles to dictate his what-happened-to-me's to richh and
> see what that cuisinart of a brain could make of them. Greatness, is all.

Why would we want to do that any more than we would want Dickens to write
Bernard Shaw's material?  Love you abh, but disagree. ;-)
Doris
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMITL6
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>   Gilbert Smith, here mostly revoltingly known as Giggles, writes:
>
>     >"Brage, concordia och V.V.V.: Nagot om vara forma
>     >litterara gymnasistforeningar", a fascinating
>     >...
>     >"En neurotiker som psykolog: Nagra jakt-tagelser i von
>
>   Well, you mendacious teller of absurd tales, I see that you've actually
> taken the <trouble> to look up some genuine <Swedish words>. However,
> "forma" should be "forna", and "jakt-tagelser" should be "iakttagelser".

I only know what I read in the PMLA.  Tell it to the <Professors
of Swedish>....
--ggs (delighted to have *finally* gotten torkel's attention...)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:14:21 CDT
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Subject:      Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day

>No venom--no *genuine* venom--Torquemada.  As a Polish friend of
>mine says--it's about the only English he knows--Take it easy.

That's what I somehow guessed, you know. It was just the usual,
cheerful, and as always, deadly but delightful, Witty Riposte.

tushar
From: gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Hopefully
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:28:42 GMT
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	What abh said.  <Hopefully> is an adverb and needs to be used as one.
	Doris

Isn't there some Fowler-like prescriptivism to do with 'neds' in
this sort of context?   My memory is playing tricks again but that's
one I'd look up before I let it out of proofreading it it were in
anything important.

G
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> >of her, *please*!!!   I beginning to think that I am IRTN.
>> IRT what?  An Idiom-retentive Texas Native?  But we already *know* that!
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I like this better than the original meaning of IRTN.
>--ggs (In Real Trouble Now...)
Ahhh - is this an unusual state for you?  I doubt it, especially with a list
sister, daughter, and Pig all on your case either singly or collectively.
Then of course, there is the tc/sw, who has been known to become a teensy bit
irritated with a certain <Miata-driver>....

Ruth
ps - I got a good shot of you and the List.Goddess together.  And got reprints
of same.  Willst du?

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:05:40 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Amazon T-shirt News
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 > Of the colors described, here's my ranking:
 >
 > 1. Columbia blue
 > 2. raspberry
 > 3. good purple
 > 4. green green
 >    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

As long as you're asking, I would say, "Any of the above,
except raspberry."

love, judith, wearing a green green dress with her abh earrings
              and getting compliments from everyone
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:14:45 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: A strange find
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torkel, I missed the story about the white dust in your house, but
you'd better check it isn't asbestos!

G
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:49:36 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      The wonders of telecom
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              92 7:49 pm

	Well, it takes quite a bit to get me going these days.  Sad to say,
a simple ftp just doesn't do it anymore (but I can stop anytime...I just don't
want to).

	I'm more impressed with making contact with people and the
incredible, yes, networking, that e-mail enables.  For example, some
well-known figure in the BBS world has chosen to flame me incessantly
under very little provocation recently.  Within a week, I have heard
*multiple* stories from several different women in telecom about this
figure that have helped in handling the situation diplomatically.

	I think that women make better use of this aspect in general
than most of the men I've run across on the net.  I'm on 3 or 4
different women's mailing lists, and boy, I'll tell ya, shared
knowledge is a powerful thing.

	Although I minored in CS, and can program in 7 languages,
and am no slouch when it comes to techie stuff, it has always
been the people factor that has attracted me to these expensive
toys.  Heh.  So much that I have a fledgling career in it.

Rita
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:49:42 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Over-the-counter language
              10 Sep 1992 13:51:48 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:51:48 CDT Natalie Maynor said:

>On a totally different subject, do any of you still get the feeling of
>awe and excitement that I sometimes still get from the e-world, even
>though it's a large part of my everyday life?  Somebody in the cafeteria
>while ago told me that he was using a shareware program called Ample Time
>that he liked.  I just did a quick Archie search and found that it was
>available at a site in Japan, so I ftp'ed there and had it back here
>within seconds.  As I said, I still get turned on when I stop and think
>about that kind of thing.  A program is now sitting on my computer that
>wasn't sitting here five minutes ago -- it was sitting in Japan then.
>Sorry -- I'm getting carried away.  Logging off now to play with new program
>or *maybe* even to do some work.

Indeed.  I never get over the thrill of some technology - email around
the world, seeing the sunrise above the clouds over the North Atlantic
while eating breakfast, and even - as Barbara pointed out a couple of
days ago - the lowly car which allowed us to wake up late in Stowe, Vermont
on Tuesday, meander around town til mid afternoon, and be at home in bed
in Toronto by just after midnight.

Sometimes when we're far away I'll call home just to hear the phone ring,
just for the thrill of picturing the cats' ears twitching at the sound,
of knowing that pressing a few buttons in a small town in France has
caused clapper to hit gongs 4000 miles away in Toronto.

Tony (also getting carried away) H.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Tongue Movement
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Reply to Message of Sat, 05 Sep 92 11 from Rest of header flushed:

> >When moving from the stop to the interdental fricative, does your tongue
> >slide neatly forward, or does it sort of skitter?  I'm practicing it again
>
> It slides forward, but not much, so it doesn't skitter.

But it would have to move from the alveolar ridge to between the teeth.
That's a pretty good slide.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Unuserfriendly
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On Mon, 7 Sep 1992, Entropy Warrior wrote:

> >Why not just say what my husband told me:  User-hostile.
>
> Because these are the nineties, Susan.  We're all new-age
> sensitive folk who have a problem with hostility.  It's painful
> even to see the word appear.  In fact, I'm going to call my
> therapist now . . .  You've upset me so.

What can I say?  My inner child made me do it.

> -Mka

--Susan
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
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  >torkel, I missed the story about the white dust in your house, but
  >you'd better check it isn't asbestos!

  A thoughtful response! However, I have no fear that asbestos is
involved.  We are extremely asbestos-conscious in this country. I
happened to see a lab report on some similar white dust at SICS, and
it claimed that the dust was mostly harmless silicon! Very
appropriate. I suppose it's something similar here.
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:16:55 CDT
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Subject: Re: My trip- the conclusion.

>(Pasteur worked and made the first Rabies vaccine)

Now I am confused. Exactly what did Jenner do?

tushar
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Subject:      Gossiping about Natalie and prescriptivism
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  I guess Natalie has gone away by now, so it's safe to talk about
her. I think Natalie was bitten by a very nasty prescriptivist as a
child, and that this is the reason for her present attitude. She has
this idea that there are people abroad who think to stem the tide of
language by prescribing and prescribing, and she also likes to think
that she knows as a linguist that the tide of language is ok and
nothing bad can happen, because whatever happens will just reflect the
needs of the people who use language. Actually, her vision of people
who prescribe and prescribe in an effort to stem the tide of language
is mostly fantasy, and her idea about people's language always
reflecting their needs is vacuous, but I don't think we should tell
her this. I have come to think, over the decades - no I mean the years
- well this last year anyway - that Natalie is a delightful female
person - I think "woman" is the technical term - with a very shrewd
head, which I have never seen, on her shoulders, and this in spite of
the peculiar cant that she apparently feels compelled to spout from
time to time. In order to get anywhere with this "prescriptivism"
thing, a radical rethinking of strategy is required. I'll return with
some ideas, but please don't tell Natalie about them.
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Posted on 9 Sep 1992 at 20:26:58 by Natalie Maynor
>Of the colors described, here's my ranking:
>1. Columbia blue

Yeah, Natalie, it goes w/ everything you own!!!!:)

Karen
who *was* thinking of this color first
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From: jwagner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith O Wagner)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:42:23 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9209091601.C21589-a100000@abernathy.tenet.edu> Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU> writes:
>> From:mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
>>
>> to those who read mostly mysteries....Please name your
>> favorites.
>
>My all-time favorite is Dorothy L. Sayers.  I enjoyed Elizabeth
>Linington's books (those written under her own name and those she wrote as
>Dell Shannon and Lesley Egan.)  Currently my favorites are Charlotte
>MacLeod (who also writes as Alisa Craig), Joan Hess, Dorothy Simpson, John
>Sherwood, and Robert Bernard.
>ndh (who wishes she had a good new mystery to read instead of persuasive
>writing papers)

Speaking of mysteries--a new one is about to come out.  It's called
_Showcase_ by Alison Glen, published by Simon and Schuster.  I mention
it because it was written by two good friends of mine--Louise Vetter and
Cheryl Lowrey and I was an early reviewer!  If anyone reads it, I'd *love*
some feedback for them!

2Judith who is *mentioned in the acknowledgements!*
From: WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM (WERTSJ)
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Subject: internet gurus
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:28:00 GMT
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Internet gurus, heed my call,
Yes, I mean you, one and all:

Where do I send the LIST command to get a list of the internet lists?
If I send it to (for instance) ooga-cooga-edyu, I get an abbreviated
list, which I am assuming is the list of lists there? or not?

Thanks much,

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:25 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: A Poltroon?

>What??  Tushar called me a poltroon??  I who had the courage to leap
>a fence, walk two miles, sneak into this lab, and log on while a room
>full of students aren't aware I'm here?  I who may be the only dog on
>campus with his own e-mail address?  I who crawl the nets hacking and
>barking bravely?

Now that we have established that logging on, having an email address,
crawling the nets etc are acts of bravery, let's close the topic. I'll
sneer privately.

tushar
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