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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: Re: I asked for it...(Was: Comics I'm thinking of trying)...yup, I did.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:31:52 GMT

>
>Sandman: After only two issues--#44 and #41, respectively--I'm hooked.  With
>Christmas on the way, I know what's going to be on my list!  (Hint: TP)
                                                                 ^^^^^^
>
And people say the merchandising for X-Men has gotten out of hand!  Sandman
toliet paper!?!  C'mon, the shirts and poster's are nice.  The statue and mug
are cute.  But enough already.


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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:05:06 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <69160@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> In regards to Delphi's vision of the Hulk's mental state, laughing with blood
> on his hands...why,it was right there in Hulk #400, page 46, panel 1.  I'm
> surprised no one has commented on it.

Yeah, I wondered if that was the way that panel was supposed to be. 
Too bad; I was kind of hoping that would stay off in the future for a
while...
                                     -Drizzt
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From: debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ginsberg deborah)
Subject: Convergence - some ideas
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:44:04 GMT

Links in the three stories:
1:  All are stories where people interact with the realm of dreaming beyond
how one normally interacts w/ it.
2:  All are temporally unstable, seeming to exist within three times:
an ancient time, a modern time, and the time where dream is with his lover.
3:  The latter time seems to be the convergance.  
4:  All have to do w/ reletivly unknown aspects of well known legdends, but
this theme is common throught the series (here, they are:  the early days of
Marco Polo, the Russian version of werewolves, and the more unknown stories
of Judeo-Christianity.)
5:  In all three stories, it is unclear what parts of the story are true and
what parts are fiction.  Are there really soft places, or was that part of
the dream?  Was the grandfather really the hero of his story? The third story
has the most such questions;  Wouldn't Eve know the story of Adam and his
wives exactly?  Why do the parliment of rooks meet?  How did Cain and Able
end up in the Dreaming (though this story has the least uncertainty in it,
while being the least probable.)
6:  In these stories, we get to see the major inhabitants of the dreaming:
Lucien, Fiddler's Green,Eve, Matthew, Cain, and Able.  

That's all I can come up w/.
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Current Status of the Five (IMHO) Major Comic Distributors
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:40:06 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>I'm going to have to try some of these "Dark" Titles, particularly Sandman.
>(The net got me interested.)

Oh, oh! Another convert! Prepare the batter!

>Same here.  I used to be diehard Marvel, but now I don't find their titles as
>enjoyable as they used to be.

Yep. Major convert. Tsk-tsk. Showing discretion at your age. :-)

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What does LSH stand for?!
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:50:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov11.005048.3602
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

LSH

Now stands for

_L_osers and _S_loppy _H_acks

Pick up *any* issue, and see why! Just put it back before you 
hurl on it...

Scott
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From: joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
Subject: Re: The Current Status of the Five (IMHO) Major Comic Distributors
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:08:11 GMT

In <1992Nov5.232001.1110@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>David VanDomelen (dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: Scott says that A: the X-books need better writers, but B: New Warriors is 
>: great writing.  Considering that Nicieza does half the X-books already and is 
>: he great writer of NW, and that PAD does one of the other X-books, you tend to
>: contradict yourself.

> Not really...

>I believe that Fabian does a much better job on NW than anything X. 
>Fabian is under some big constraints doing X, namely Bob Harassment and
>the Fanboy X Association's overwhelming need to take all the
>PERSONALITIES out of X and put in lots of violence.

>Fabian really gets into the CHARACTERS on NW...

>Claremont was a great writer because every X-Man was a 3D character
>and he still got the violence in. The new writers are taking out
>all the character development.

>PAD is the best of the X writers, true (that was not a compliment :))
>but he has a bum deal -- bad characters (X-Factor should be the 
>X-Dregs -- the bottom 1% of boring characters), Stroman and Jae Lee,
>neither of whom complement his writing style.

I disagree there.  I like X-Factor a lot because it's a bunch of "leftover"
characters that have been taken and run with, and done so in a way that
I find interesting.  I never cared much for Havok or Polaris, and actively
disliked Quicksilver, but in XF they work well.   

The New Warriors is a good example of the same sort of thing.  A lot of
minor characters turned into a developed, major ones.


>Put Jae on Wolverine and PAD on the X men and you'd be in business...

Me, I'd like to see a New Mutants book by PAD...wouldn't even care
who pencilled it (so long as it wasn't, say, Kevin Nowlan).
>Scott
From: smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Seventh Endless: David (was Re: Sandman #44)
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:12:11 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <QeyTRVO00VIG0DLMEY@andrew.cmu.edu>, sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth D. Kadesh) writes:
 solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> In article <96220@netnews.upenn.edu> smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith)\
>  writes: >
>Yet another meaningless detail-
>
>Why was the the doctor with the Orangutang singing a David Bowie song?
> 
>         When I am king, dilly dilly,
>         You shall be Queen.
>         Lavender's blue, dilly dilly...
> 
> ...Knowing how Neil does his homework, I'd assume the doctor is singing an
> authentic late-seventeenth-century song.
|> 
|> i believe the song is called lavender.  or at least, there is a song
|> called lavender on the album _misplaced childhood_ by marillion.  the
|> song is based on a previously written poem (which may or may not have
|> been a song).  hope i didn't make things more obscure.....
|> 
|> and i didn't even read the comic!
|> 
|>   seth ---> sk2f@andrew.cmu.edu

No, I insist that this song comes from David Bowie.  It might not be on the album
"Heros", but I don't listen to this album much.  But I have a tape of "Serious
Moonlight" the live movie that he did, and this comes from that movie.  Just
before the song "Heros" David sings this as an introduction to the song.  I can't
remember if these lirics are actually in the song itself, but David does sing 
them.  I don't know if Marillion used these lirics too, if they have, that makes
it a little more interesting.  Is this some english folk song that people would
know from growing up in england, is it really as old as Neil suggests?  Or is
everyone mentioned just a fan boy of David Bowie and used his lirics?  Just
Wondering-

Douglas Smith
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From: cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir)
Subject: Re: Batman vs Lobo
Summary: Just my opinion...
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:50:35 GMT

         To the person who suggested that Lobo take Superman out into
space to beat him up, seeing as how Lobo doesn't have to breathe in
space, my retort is this. Think about it: Superman can hold his breath
indefinitely. So, he would still be able to kick the crap out of Lobo
even in the Frag Man's home turf of outer space. As always, I am...

                                             The Nomad
                                             cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Image Leaves Malibu
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:16:54 GMT

According to Pat O'Neill (editor of Wizard) on the Comics-L mailing list,
Image has "amicably" parted with Malibu.  What this means for the group,
who knows.  O'Neill says that the chances of success of the group staying
viable as a loosely-affiliated group of creators is about as much as him
becoming king of the world...:)

Good news for all Image-bashers, I'd say, myself included.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
-------
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:35:48 GMT

There are three possibilities, and each is equally defensible:  Only
a small fraction of the population can be evacuated in time, the entire
population can be evacuated with capacity to spare (the L.E.G.I.O.N.
solution -- and why didn't they ask the GLs to help?), or a large
fraction of the population can be evacuated.  So there is no reason
not to choose the option that makes the best story.

By way of analogy, suppose levels of personal mobility and interstellar
trade were similar to our own levels of personal mobility and
international trade.  Suppose South America disintegrated today, and
investigators determined that North America would follow in one month.
How many could we evacuate, with help from the rest of the world?
Just at a guess, if panic were avoided, I'd say as much as a quarter
of the population.  By analogy, having the UP able to evacuate about
half the Earth's pre-disaster population is reasonable story-telling.

I thought the use of Death to be an excellent one:  She's as recognizable
an icon as the traditional scythe-bearer, not as much of a cliche, and
far more DC-specific.

So now we know what that funny-shaped shadow on the Earth was:  It was
a foreshadowing.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (The Glenner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bloodwind-a better choice?
Keywords: not Red Tornado
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:10:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov6.211003.19168
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bx4BCB.A1q@andy.bgsu.edu> wketelh@andy.bgsu.edu (William R. Ketelhut) writes:

>    Firestorm- Best choice I've seen, though I disagree.  DC elementals, like
>Firestorm, Red Tornado, and Swamp Thing, among others are rarely potrayed in
>human form.  I can't see the fire elemental coming back as a black character
>since his original hosts were caucasian.

Well, it's irrelevant, but the last part isn't true, an African was
(briefly) part of Firestorm for about 2 issues late in the run.  Also,
I'm not sure what you mean by "human form", and RT and Firestorm have
both changed forms too many times too count.  Of course, I'm still
betting on Reddy :^)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see"
   --- nine inch nails
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must kow
......................................................................
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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  9 Nov 92 17:18:52 GMT

In <1992Nov8.014416.24570@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.054404.11529@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>>  Um, if they can open gateways to the Phantom - er, Bgztl Buffer Zone,
>>why not just put Earth's population there (where they will neither 
>>need air, food, nor water) until it's safe, say when they've 
>>assembled more space arks?  As Elmo is prone to say:  "Sloppy writing."
>This still ignores the need to get the population *off* of Earth first! Now
>*that* would be sloppy writing. 

Oh?  And why would they need to move the population off the planet?  They
could've entered the Zone *while still on Earth*.  Annual #2 already showed
that it's possible to beam people in and out of the Zone; witness Valor.

--

 _______________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ GL (Alan Scott): You can take the villain out of the 1940s...          \/
    FLASH (Jay Garrick): But you can't take the 1940s out of the villain!
                                    -- _Justice Society of America_ #5
From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: MARLO'S DEATH (was re: Hulk)
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ac.1992Nov10.150942.8764
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BxHAFG.uA@news.udel.edu>, cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
> In article <69098@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>
>>Of course, if the mind starts to splinter again, well...
> 
> Peter, I loved Hulk 400. Though I doubt this will be the last Leader
> story, as you claim, this would have been a great way for him to go.
> The number of loose ends tied up, plus the re-introduction of Savage
> Hulk is great.
> One problem: How can the Hulk go on fighting super bad guys now? He's
> proven that his anger can cause him to kill the ones he loves. If this
> book had any basis of reality, they'd have Hulk take an issue off from
> fighing to fix up his relationship with Betty (like she's gonna be
> happy about what Hulk did to Marlo's chance of a new life...)
> Just my .02 cents...
> Ray
> U of D
>  
  But Marlo is DEAD! There is no way she was gonna come back, regardless
of what the Leader said. MAYBEE THE HULK WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH ENOUGH SENSE 
TO UNDERSTAND THIS.

                             Jamie Lauchlan 
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Legion of Super-Heroes... (VERY LONG)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:17:36 GMT

ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth):
>The original Legion Constitution forbade anyone OVER 18 years of age 
>from joining (it did not, however, stop anyone from remaining a 
>Legionnaire after they turned 18; you just couldn't join as an old fogey). 
>It also prohibited married couples from being active Legionnaires. True, 
>no one has ever explained, satisfactorily, WHY this was so (except that 
>this constitution, obviously, was written by a bunch of kids)...

That's precisely the answer.  Remember, when these limits first
appeared, LSH was a superheroes *club*.  It wasn't "join us and help
save the universe"; it was "we'd like you to try out for our club."
The appropriate analogy is the G.R.O.S.S. constitution from Calvin
and Hobbes (though the restrictions are different).

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Sandman 44 (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.160652.25787@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>In article <BxAvI4.C0w@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> schmburg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Schomburg ) writes:
>>rauchfuss@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Brian Rauchfuss) writes:
>>
>>
>>>My stray thought was that it was *because* Destruction deserted his post that
>>>Delight became Delirium.  That the loss of one of the endless warps the
>>>universe, destroying the balance that use to exist.  
>>                          ^^^^^^^
>>
>>Destruction abondoned his post at the dawn of the industrial revolution.
>>Could it be that humanity, with warlike tendencies and machines
>>of war to multiply thier proclivities a thousandfold, has been in
>>effect ASKING for destruction throughout recent history?  Perhaps
>>Destruction just plain got sick of humanity and is ignoring 4
>>billion screams for annihilation?     
>
>Spoiler
>
>Again, it seems obvious to me that the reason Destruction left is 
>because he saw the coming of the nuclear age and didn't want to 
>take part in another sequence of global destruction. His comments in 
>#44 make that pretty clear.

Well, that would make sense if Destruction was limited to Earth, instead of
being a universal concept.  Earth is not the first, nor will it be the
last, planet to harness nuclear power.

//Karthik
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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: subscriptions and reserves
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:04:29 GMT

In article <10NOV199211145887@pavo.concordia.ca>, f_alfan@pavo.concordia.ca (ALFANI, FABRIZIO) writes:
|> 
|>      I've noticed lately that people have been talking about their subscription
|> service (also know as reserves service) at their local comic book stores.
|> The store I go to gives me a 35% discount on American prices for comics (
|> I live in Canada, so that's a great discount) as well as put all my comics in
|> a protective bag with cardboard backing. This of course is only for those comic
|> books which I get on a regular basis.
|> 

   What's the name of the store?? (If you don't mind my asking, that is). 
This sounds like one heck of a deal!  I pay full price for any and every
comic I buy here in Ottawa.  Am I the only one being hosed like this?
You know, I manage to visit Montreal quite often... If I can get prices
like 35% off, I might consider buying my comics over there...

-- 
   __ ___  
  /\ \ \ \  Anshu Prasad                        stud1b53@bnr.ca
 /--\ \/_/  Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
/_/  \_\    All opinions are my own, not my employer's, BNR Ltd
From: 003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Current Status of the Five (IMHO) Major Comic Distributors
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:49:20 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

>
>PAD is the best of the X writers, true (that was not a compliment :))
>but he has a bum deal -- bad characters (X-Factor should be the 
>X-Dregs -- the bottom 1% of boring characters), Stroman and Jae Lee,
>neither of whom complement his writing style.

 No, no, you're missing the point.  His ability to take these completely 
obscure characters and make them into the best written and most interesting 
(IMHO) is an incredible accomplishment.  Characters are only as boring as 
the writers writes them as.  While the "X-Dregs" should be the most boring 
characters, they are turning out to be the most interesting at this time, 
while the opposite goes for, say, X-Force (and most of the other Xbooks)
 Maybe this should be followed up in xbooks.  Sorry to the mutantly 
sensitive out there.
 All IMO, of course.

 KID ANARKY---
"Flame this if you must, but remember... I like my steak weel-done!"
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:35:36 GMT

In article <1dkcntINNkvt@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

>	Sorry, June 4, 2994 falls on a Wednesday.

Now, normally, I'd say that David has just shown he has entirely too much
spare time. However, on page 14, the shot of all of New Earth hooked up,
I took the moment needed to actually count all the bubbles.

Comes out to 107, just a few more than the 95 said to have survived the
link-up on that same page.

More on more serious problems with the whole thing (such as, just why
didn't Valor, Andromeda, Ultra Boy, etc. help out with the airlift/link-up,
etc.) when I have more time than a couple of minutes. [side note: I'm
behind on email and such due to a combination of a trip for a family 
funeral, a bug caught while at it, and a heavy work schedule. Patience
is appreciated. On the much smaller good side, my niece did learn to go "nana
nana nana Batbaby" while wearing her Bat-PJs].

"By the way, there was a Legion of Super-Pets"
"But it isn't a nominee because:
1) It would be redundent.
2) It was only an auxiliary of the Legion of Superheroes
3) DC admitted its existence in Who's Who, and 
4) There are a lot of humorless Legion fans out there, and some of them
   probably have guns."  --World's Worst Comics Awards
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 08:18:05 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Legion of Super-Heroes... (VERY LONG)
	<vanyel.720897941@camelot>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 4-Nov-92 Re: Legion of
Super-Heroes... Alan Williams@camelot.br (14005)

> fact that THE ORIGINAL LEGION CONSTITUTION FORBADE ANYONE UNDER 18 YEARS
> OLD TO JOIN!!!!  You want shallow characters and dull stories?  Put a bunch


Obviously, you meant "anyone OVER 18" :)

--Vernon.