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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Def Leppard and Petra???
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:04:21 GMT

In article <27JUL92.21049677.0010@lafibm.lafayette.edu> HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>I used to own that album and I read the thank yous over and over again
>just because I thought they were so insightful and mildly humorous,
>especially once they get into all of John Lange's nicknames (I've
>changed much in the past 2 years).  I'm sure I would have noticed if
>Petra was mentioned in there.  Are you sure?

I remember seeing it myself .....

Topher
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From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's "Time"
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:27:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul15.164219.26232@cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:
>"Rejoice" also fits another current thread from this group -- it contains a
>melodic phrase from "Elanor Rigby".  (Oh! Horrors! a Christian musician
>borrowing from the godless Beatles!  Actually, when I first saw PK live with
>Glass Harp in 1971,  he could easily have won a Paul McCartney look-alike
>contest, and if you were to hear the second song from "Ph'lip Side" (I
>forget the title) on a secular radio station, you would probably think at
>first that you were hearing McCartney.)
>
>Always ready for discussions of rec.music.christian.classic-ccm,
>Claude Anderson
>anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu

Paul McCartney has five fingers on his right hand, but he doesn't use
that hand to pick anyway.  Phil could never pull it off.  He'd have to
grow an extra finger.

BTW, I once heard a friend tell me the story of how Phil lost his finger
but I've never heard the real version from any other source?  Anyone
know the story and care to tell me?

--baboo
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: violet burning's strength: review
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:40:36 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Jul21.162907.11749@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>
>What musical category does the violet burning fit into?  Can you
>compare them to other christian or secular bands?

Hmm.  This is hard for me, but an essential part of any good review, so I will
try.

Unfortunately, I don't keep up with secular stuff enough anymore to make a
comparison.

The first label that comes to mind is new wave/punk.  But thats not right.

Try early U2. (War, October)  (ok, so that was kind of secular, wasn't it? ;-)

Even that definition is lacking though.

Help?
--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
		I could've been a legend, if I'd died in my prime,
	I could've been a poet, if I known how to make the words sound alike.
		Under The Bed / John Austin / The Embarassing Young
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:01:12 -0400 
From: Meg Alison Veily <mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Denominationalism
	<1992Jul29.195954.18746@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Distribution: usa

I was not going to post this to this bboard, becuase it had nothing to
do with music. In light of the discussion-bordering-on-argument about
different denominations, I have changed my mind.

This is a prophetic word God gave me about a week ago. I took it as both
a comfort and an exhortation. I pray you all will, too.

"The Lord says: The time has come to end the divisiveness in My church.
My people must seek unity in the body. Do not say, "He is a catholic" or
"He is a protestant." Nor should you say, "He is over there but I am
over here." Rather, say "He is a Christian, and I am a Christian, so we
are one in Christ." True revival can only come about when My people
dwell in unity-not only in the local body, but across denominations and
locations and cultures. Seek this greater unity with your brothers and
sisters. Then My Spirit will be poured out upon you, and you will
accomplish mighty things for My Kingdom."
 
In Christ,
 
-Meg
 

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mz@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Zoys)
Subject: Sandi Patti
Keywords: Sandi Patti
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:47:31 GMT


In response to the netter who asks if Sandi Patti is really getting divorced:

Although I haven't read anything about it (Pittsburgh's newspapers have been
on strike for a couple of months now) I did hear about it on a christian radio
station here who asked that we pray for Sandi(& her husband) because her and
her husband were getting divorced. I don't remember if they said anything else about it.

Mary
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Subject: King's X discussion field!!!
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:35:04 GMT


Got this in reply to my RFD retraction:

> Chuck...
>
> *Please* bring some discussion about King's X over to
> alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive.  We just created the
> newsgroup in lieu of music.queensryche so we could talk
> about a whole mess of prog metal bands, including Kings X.
> So bring it on over!  (And since I don't yet subscribe to
> the newsletter, could you announce it there?)
>
> scott

You heard the man, guys!  Let's go!

Barry B, could you handle announcing the Silent Planet over there?  Looks  
like you have an ocean of willing subscribers just around the corner...

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rick@jpusa1.chi.il.us (Rick Mills)
Subject: Re: Cornerstone subscription address, please
Organization: JPUSA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:36:10 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

stehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jeff Stehman) writes:
: 
: I resubscribed to Cornerstone 4 months ago but haven't received anything
: yet.  Now I've lost the address.  Could someone please email it to me?
: Thanks.  (It seems I've missed out on some intense reading, too.  Humph.)
: 
: 
: 						Jeff Stehman

	I can forward any subscription information or problems to our
mail dept if you email me - I would like to extend this to anyone, but
don't know if I'm overstepping the bounds of netequitte (sp?), so if
any questions - plz email me...

Rick Mills 						rick@jpusa1.chi.il.us
From: psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Phil Collins- talking to Jesus
Date: 27 Jul 1992 09:09:56 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: levelland.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1wDgoB2w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes:
> 
>I think Phil Collins is making fun of those corrupt TV evangelists, like 
>the Bakers, etc.  I can understand the video, and even though it's not 
>right, I too am sick of some of these evangelists.  I'm sorry but most 
>Christian TV turns me off.  Some of it is too candy-like.  Benny Hinn and 
>some prophecies shows are my favs though!  
> 
>Titan
>

You're kidding about Benny Hinn, right?  I have watched him on the Totally
Bizzare Network (TBN) and have ended up laughing at what he is doing and what
he is saying.  Unless you are watching him for some entertainment value, I
would recommend listening to what he is saying and watching what he does and 
not filter it through your Christian precepts.




                                Troy Carpenter
                        Department of Computer Sciences
                        THE University of Texas, Austin
                              psurge@cs.utexas.edu

"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor

*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:35:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul29.014713.9884@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
>Speaking of Madeleine L'Engle, here's a question I've never been able to
>find the answer to.  Why have I heard so much that she was Christian, or
>that her books were?  When I read "A Wrinkle in Time", the only thing I
>was able to find was a statement that Buddha, Mohammed, Christ, et al.
>were 'great shining lights of humanity' or something like that.  Certainly
>not the message Christ preached!  (Not in the NIV, anyway.  :^)  )
>
>Any takers?


Read some of her later nonfiction.  "Walking on Water" is one of the
best books I've ever read about the union of Christianity and art.
In one of her books -- maybe it's "Two Part Invention", her auto-
biographical book about her marriage -- she talks about her earlier
years of playing around the fringes of Christianity but not truly
committing herself to it.  She's a rare bird.

  
-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:27:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul30.145529.11951@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>This has nothing to do with Christian music, but since it evolved or
>degenerated here, depending on your perspective, this seems like a likely 
>place to keep it going.  If you don't want to read about literature, press 
>"n" now.
>
>T.S. Eliot - You're living a deprived life if you've never read "Four
>Quartets."  You want a model for the Christian life?  How about this:

(POEM EXCERPT)>
>Eliot considered this seventy-page poem to be the culmination of his
>life's work.  Most people also consider him to be the finest poet to
>live this century.  It boggles my mind that that talent culminated in
>an incredibly beautifuly meditation on the Christian life.
>


I'm not sure if you've ever read Charles Williams novel "Descent
Into Hell", but its main character, a professor, is said to be
based on T.S. Eliot.  Essentially, the professor is much loved
and even worshiped by his students; he begins to believe that he
is worthy of that worship; he begins to live more in a fantasy world
than in the real one; because of this, he loses his devotees; he
doesn't notice because he's living in such a fantasy; he gradually
devolves into a phantom in a phantom world.  

It's a chilling book.  When one takes Eliot's work as a whole, it's
possible to see how Williams could've based this character on him.


-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind.  Or not to have a mind.  How true  
that is." -- J. Danforth Quayle at United Negro College Fund luncheon
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Industrial Update
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:30:14 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


        R.M.C. INDUSTRIAL UPDATE

        I guess most of us who on the net who are into industrial music are
college students, and it seems that I'm the only one with acces to the net over
the summer.  Well, almost the only one.

        The answer to the question which resurfaced recently "Is there any
Christian industrial music?" is "yes."
        Here is a list.  Not all of these bands fit everybody's definition of
industrial, but most of it is at least of interest to most fans of industrial
music.

Mortal
Dietiphobia
Circle of Dust
Blackhouse*
Mental Destruction*
Global Wave System*
Gadget/ Mark Planquet*
        
*These bands have music for sale, but it is not as easy to get as the first
three.  These bands have either indi releases, or demos.  Mail me for more
data.  The first three bands have fully distributed albums that can be gotten
in Christian bookstores.  Circle of Dust may not be on the shelfs yet, but is
is on REX Records, and is coming, and will be HUGE!

A good purchase for Christian's who like techno and or industrial music is the
SLAVA Music sampler avialable on Blonde Vynil records called "Voice of the
People."
From: gt4725c@prism.gatech.EDU (ccastrw ROBERT E. WYNN   )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Need help getting the Warnke article
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:13:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul28.133555.20676@ccd.harris.com> ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule) writes:
->
->Hey,
->
->I am very much interested in reading the Cornerstone article on Mike
->Warnke, but am on a UNIX system and can't figure out how to unzip
->warnke.zip. Could someone please do one of three things?
->
->1) e-mail an unzipped copy of the article to ras@controls.ccd.harris.com
->
->2) tell me how to unzip warnke.zip on a UNIX platform
->
->3) create a compressed/tarred version of it (warnke.tar.Z) and put it
->   out on the ftp sight.
->
->I would really appreciate any help. I have some friends who are skeptical
->about the allegations on Warnke and since I haven't read the article for
->myself, I too am a little skeptical.

  Okay, we happen to have an unzip for the unix platform and I have unziped
  tarred and compressed a version.  I for now am not going to post it to the
  newsgroup because of the waste of bandwidth.  For now if you want a copy
  e-mail me (ccastrw@prism.gatech.edu) and I will send you a copy.  Put
  your e-mail address on a seperate line located on the first line of your
  message. I am going to write a script tomorrow to automatically send the 
  out.  If I am overrun and it looks like it should be posted then I will.
->
->Thanks in advance and God bless,
->
->Russ
->
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From: mdtanx@cs.umd.edu (Michael D. Tan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: FTP posting of WARNKE article ===================
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:55:07 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


Hi- 

 I have posted the Warnke articles from Cornerstone at

wuarchive.wustl.edu (in the /pub directory- warnke.zip).

If there are other anonymous accessible FTP sites which are
appropriate, I would be glad to send them there as well.

The file is a collection of several related articles from the
Cornerstone issue and have the permission of the editor
for distribution.

The End.
Michael Tan
mdtanx@cs.umd.edu

=============================================================
...inflated with....emotional gas


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: eric@jpusa1.chi.il.us (Eric Pement)
Subject: Mike Warnke Controversy in Cornerstone magasine
Reply-To: eric@jpusa1.chi.il.us (Eric Pement)
Organization: JPUSA - Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:59:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.christian

In article <1992Jul21.214503.28760@cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:

>If the Cornerstone allegations are true, this is very serious.
>Can someone publish an address for Cornerstone so that we can
>request a copy of the issue and base our reactions on the full
>article rathewr than a brief summary.  Or can someone who has the
>article post a more complete synopsis, at least?

   The Warnke issue (vol. 21, no. 98) of Cornerstone is available for
$3.00 by writing to CORNERSTONE, 939 W. Wilson Ave., Chicago, IL
60640.  It's a large, full-color magazine (11x15 inches), and costs
more to mail than smaller mags.

-- 
Eric Pement, senior editor
Cornerstone magazine
UUCP:  chi.il.us!jpusa1!jpusa2!eric
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: waltner@acc.stolaf.edu (Wallace J. Waltner )
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:59:55 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
> 
> It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
> secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
> hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.
>

Well, I happen to be Mennonite (General Conference).  Admittedly, I'm still
conservative, but to answer your question, I'm not Baptist.

As long as we're on the subject, Any other Mennonites read r.m.c??

--Wally Waltner
	 "As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord!"

P.S.  It's more important to be a Christian than a (insert your denomination
      here).  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for church library
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:01:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.011334.16732@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.e
du (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>My church librarian is a bit out of touch with the CCM market, but wants
>to maintain our collection.  If I was to give her a list of 20 "must haves,"





Age to Age - Amy Grant

MIchael W. Smith Project - Michael W. Smith

In Another Land - Larry Norman

Beyond Belief - Petra

Lead Me On - Amy Grant

Eye to i - Michael W. Smith

Heed the Call - The Imperials

More to this Life - Steven Curtis Chapman

Sar of the Morning? - Leon Patillo


--j.p.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:25:43 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.
>
   WHAT IS THIS? (yes, I know that caps are not nice)
  Since when have we been talking about denominations? 
  or being conservative? and what's wrong with that anyway? we should 
  examine each argument put forth by (this is a conservative statement here)
  what we understand the bible to say, not what is conservative, baptist,
  liberal or whatever else.

  this could turn into an interesting thread. granted, most CCM is
  "conservative" in some sense. and i would suspect most fans. partly
  that's because conservatism (religiously speaking) seems to foster
  (inappropriately IMHO) separatism ... so we have christian car washes,
  christian wheaties, and christian music (yeah that old thread) ...

  liberal christians seem to be much more at ease in the world, and adopting
  to its values, etc. so why would they _want_ CCM/CCMC?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
john r la plante                    calling from the Ohio State University
jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  political analysis done while you wait
o

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From: rjd4507@zeus.tamu.edu (Ray De Frese)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.185955.18494@news.stolaf.edu>, waltner@acc.stolaf.edu (Wallace J. Waltner ) writes...
> 
>P.S.  It's more important to be a Christian than a (insert your denomination
>      here).  

	This is a nugget of common sense if I ever heard one. Nothing
	irks me more than the petty inter-denominational squabbles 
	that go on between churches. The only thing it does is provide
	fodder for Christianity's detractors.

	For the record, I attend a small non-denominational church which
	breaks down into smaller "home-churches" that meet once (or more)
	during the week. The fellowship is strong and the worship is 
	Spirit-filled. 

	En agape,

	Ray De Frese
	Texas A&M University
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:16:28 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
|> It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
|> secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
|> hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

Funny, I've never gotten the impression everyone here was Baptist...
but I have been curious about what denominations are represented here.

I'm from an "Evangelical Free" church, if that tells you anything. ;-)
I was raised Catholic... still kind of hung up on the works issue.

I guess we're pretty conservative, too, in a broad sense of the term.
I love my church.  The messages preached seem right on the bible... no
compromising on what is sin, and yet we're pretty casual and relaxed
(no offerings are taken, people wear jeans, etc). Its a good balance.

(And to bring music into my post...) However, I have yet to find one
young adult at my church who has even heard of the 77s, the Throes,
King's X, Adam Again, etc.  When I played that music for some of
them.. they tended to get kind of a concerned look on their face.

("in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!"
      - wilde silas tomkyn)

Still haven't checked with any of the teenagers, though I did see a
group of them at ICHTHUS, so I bet they've heard of those groups.

_______________________________________________________________________
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