HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Subject: Re: Theft from Gallifrey
Organization: Lakes Public Access
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:00:02 GMT

markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:

> Ian Robert Asplin Manfred writes:
> 
> >And another thing Marc C,
> 
> 
> >there is a BIG whopping difference between the kind of theft that ou
> >say so easily takes place in "Trial of a time Lord" and the type of
> >theft we're told about in "Mawdryn Undead."
> 
> No there isn't. For one thing all the 8 needed were the plans to the 
> machine. They could build it from that. Secondly, How do you know 
> they actually got the machine from Gallifrey itself? You don't. How did
> the cybermen learn about Nemesis. How did the daleks learn about the 
> hand of Omega? On Dr Who, anything is possible. In fact how do you know
> that aliens did not arrive on Gallifrey several thousand years ago for 
> some reason and steal equipment? This is a work of fiction, ANYTHING is
> possible. And given the history of the show, aliens stealing or attempting
> to steal Time Lord equipment is hardly a matter to be shocked about.
> Mark C.
> 
> 
> 

You know, the Nemisis and the Hand occurred to me as well, but there is 
one difference.  As far as the show went, it seemed as if they were 
deliberately allowed to 'go astray'.  In Nemisis, the Dr. acts as if it 
is accidental that the metal escaped, but then when he is talking to the 
Nemisis, he gives the very strong impression that HE was the ojne who 
took it from Gallifrey...
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From: cevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Doctor Who)
Subject: Re: Dr Who song...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:11:10 GMT

dug@athena.cs.uga.edu (Douglas Brown) writes:


>Just an interesting note I wanted to mention.  Does anyone remember the
>Dr. Who from a couple of years back from the TimeLords (AKA Jams) called
>"Doctoring the Tardis"?

>The reason why I mention that is that Atlanta is currently in the middle
>of playoffs for the World Series and for some peculiar reason have taken
>to using that song as their theme (sans words of course), so now for
>the past couple of weeks I've been hearing the song and singing..
>"Doctor Whoooooooo, Doctor Who...." off and on...

>Just an interesting thought on an otherwise glib day...

>dug
As a matter of fact, that Doctorin' The Tardis song was sung to the tune
of an old Gary Glitter song "Rock And Roll (Part 2)". In fact on the CD
Maxi Single of Doctorin' the Tardis, there's a cut called Gary Joins The
Jams, where they do a kind of mondo mix of Doctorin' The Tardis, Rock And
Roll part two, and Leader Of The Gang, with Gary back, in fine form and
obviously enjoying the hell out of himself.A
Curious note: Doctorin' The Tardis has just been re-issued, could this
have anything to do with the 30th anniversary coming up?

The REAL Doctor #8 ;)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next06csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: An inconsitency that started the Key to Time
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:18:45 GMT

In article <HsgFsB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>  
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> mrmuon@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> 
> - In article <3NRBsB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
> - yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> - > RIGHT!!
> - >
> - > IN the 'Ribos Operation', the Doctor makes mention that he should  
have
> - 'thrown
> - > the President to the Sontarans'.  BUT wasn't it the case that The  
Doctor
> - forgot
> - > his episode in 'The Invasion of Time'?
> -
> - Didn't Borusa become president after the Dr. Perhaps even before the  
Dr
> - left. If so the Dr was refferring to Borusa.
> 
> I do believe he was.  However, the point is that the Doctor 'forgot'  
about the
> Invasion of Time sequence in his life, or did he??

Once again: duhhh! I should have understood you the first time.
Now I get you. I guess Leela told him a few things. Borusa clearly  
wouldn't have what with "It is the wisdom of Rassilon!".
Or, a more elegant solution: the memory wipe erased factual memories but  
left some emotional notions like "Hell with you Borusa. See if I care if  
the Sontarans get you!" or something like that.
--
                     -Eli
		     
This is a test .sig
		    Hey, it works!
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From: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Develyn)
Subject: No subject 
Reply-To: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:33:14 +0000

Dalek Master Plan 5 & 10
I believe both of these were found in a Mormon Church hall. The best 
theory I've heard about how they got there is simply that church 
halls are ideal places to use for a film-show. So we can imagine that 
some enthusiast group hired this place and showed DMP 5 & 10 maybe 
amongst other old TV film. Perhaps they left these two behind by 
mistake, in which case they must have had quite a lot of other 
material, or perhaps they deliberately left them for someone else to 
find.
--

Richard Develyn from Hastings, Sussex, England ( rad@cix.compulink.co.uk ).
Software engineer (datacomms) for Cray Network Systems. Married to Caroline.
Hobbies: Dr Who, FRPG, SF, Curry, quality computer games, phylanthropic
discussions.
From: whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (C J Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: News and Reviews
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:58:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester


After 4 years, this will be my last posting EVER to r.a.dw, so
sit back and read.

REVIEW:  Dr Who:  The Sixties

Of all the large format hardcovers, this new one is the best
in my opinion.  Brought to us by the team behind The Frame,
it is a highly polished publication and contains many never
seen before photographs, including the first photo of a Rill
(from Galaxy Four) I'd ever seen.  I just couldn't put this
one down until I got to the end. 

REVIEW:  Love and War, by Paul Cornell.

I'm only half way through this latest New Adventure, so I can't
give a complete review, but the writing is in the usual Cornell
style, (Timewyrm: Revelation + countless fan fiction).  The new
companion, Benny, seems interesting and I agree that it was time to
give Ace a rest, especially after the Nightshade ending.  The comic
strip in the monthly will follow Love and War, i.e., Benny and no Ace,
so that might confuse the non-UK readers who get DWM before the New
Adventures.

Now for some news (from DWB):

"No new Who until late 1995 at earliest".  Or so the headline says,
but there's no justification or explanation in the article which
just mentions that Coast to Coast have until January 1994 to produce
a Dr Who movie.

Remembrance of the Daleks, The Chase and The Curse of Peladon will
be released on video in 1993, as will the audio versions of Power
of the Daleks and Fury from the Deep.

Other news:

The script for The Masters of Luxor is now out (aka The Robots),
this was originally planned to be the second story but was de-commisioned.
As a last minute replacement, The Daleks (aka The Dead Planet) was made.

UK Gold will begin transmitting on the Astra satellite on November 1st.
Doctor Who will be shown daily (except for weekends).

And that's about it.  Goodbye to all the people I know, its been
fun these last few years.  Here's a quote to leave you all puzzling,
and I'm never going to be around to reveal the answer so I hope
somebody else will:

"I don't see why we should humour him, he's obviously
 round the bend."

--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Chris Whitehead BSc,           Internet: cwhitehe@p4.cs.man.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept         "The King of the Beasties himself
University of Manchester,UK.   couldna' get out of that one."
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: The last years...
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:32:11 GMT
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


	Understand that I'm the biggest fan of Doctor Who that I know...
that's why I must write about the death-throes of the show.  I HATE to 
admit it, but the series had to die.  Look back at the classics--the episodes
that defined the show, and what it's all about.  Most of the Tom Baker
era demonstrates the mood I'm trying to achieve here.  Everything was new,
challenging, and even fun.  The universe held a multitude of beings and races,
both good, evil, or simply incredibly selfish.  Plots from the past were
followed up on on and the extremely minor characters grew personalities the 
audience grew to appreciate.
	The Colin Baker era, on the other hand, just proved miserable.  Poor
writing, poor acting (I LIKE Colin's Doctor, but no one could be expected to
seriously act with those scripts.), poor evertything.   Trial of a Timelord
didn't even make sense -- Mel became a companion by being a companion?!?
The writers should have known better than to thorw paradoxial bull hockey
like that at an audience expecting more.  
	I also like Sylvester McCoy, but the same problems crop up during
HIS short stay.  Only worse.  The seventh Doctor's supporting actors seemed
tired, unemotional, uninspired.  The actors went through the motions but little
else.  Thank God Ace developed -- in a universe where nothing was new anymore -
not to the Doctor, not to the viewers, she slowly became the one shining point
of light where a sun once shown brightly.
	The new books aren't so bad, except it seems that everything either
has something personal against the Doctor or can find some way to explot his
innermost weaknesses.  Nightshade, however, was wonderful.  After that
plot reminiscent of a powerful third Doctor episode, I was honestly afraid
that the author (forgive me!) was going to write out Ace in the same, dippy
old style.  The exact same way they wrote out Susan.  The way the situation 
gets handled, however, is really quite surprising.  If the shows, should any
new ones EVER be made, can capture what the author did in Nightshade, use that
element of surprise, and develop the characters, both major and minor, then
and ONLY then do I say "bravo!"  Without it, the show's just squirming
in its coffin.

			Josh Geurink
From: pjaffe@next08wor.wam.umd.edu (Paul I. Jaffe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Silver Nemisis Question
Keywords: nemisis
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:57:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Oct16.235734.16999
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct16.161112.10997@cs.tulane.edu> le@cs.tulane.edu (Doug  
Le) writes:
> 
> Keywords: 
> I have just seen the episode "Silver Nemisis", in which the DOCTOR  
(Sylvester McCoy) was said to be more than a time lord.  What is he  
then????  Does this age thing hasve anything to do with it???
> 

I think that's one of those mysterious ambiguous things they do to put you  
in awe of the big D.  Great Episode! One of my favorites.


		       	Doctor:  "Who did this to you?"

Naked Punk hanging uside down in tree: "Social Workers!"

				-P
From: pcurtis@willamette.edu (Paul E. Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Videos USA and UK
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:29:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.Bw4oxv.29L
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

In article <9210121251.AA29439@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk) writes:
>
>You wait till you get "Claws Of Axos" on home-video.  Eps 2 & 3 will have
>gone thru the same hideous process, unless you complain now!

I'm working on it!  Bart Pierce, the director of quality control for Fox
Video, is very keen to get hold of the BBC's NTSC master of "Inferno" part
seven, as well as the recolorized edition of "The Daemons" part five, to
edit into "The Pertwee Years" at some future date.  The problem is BBC
Enterprises--they are very reluctant to supply anything but an NTSC
conversion of the master used for British video production.  Still, he'll
be making an attempt...

						--Paul Curtis
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Interview with John Nathan-Turner on Ch. 54 (San Jose)
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:34:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu writes:

>about the first hiatus or the present one? ANy clues? By the way,
>the new format of Doctor Who on 54 is not too bad. Pleasing both
>camps, or trying to, they are showing episode format all together.
>So you can see the whole story but not miss the campy cliffhangers.

This is what I asked my PBS station to do (in Vermont), but they
declined to take my suggestion...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Subject: Status...
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:25:34 GMT

can someone tell me the status of Dr. Who?? I'm new to the newsgroup, and the PBS 
station here stopped carrying Who... grrr....

last season I saw was 26th...  could someone fill me in??

tnx!



Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: More DW "Ripoffs"
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 02:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.200320.28110@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) writes:
>   How about any stories that have been ripped off from DW?


I always thought that Bill and Ted, wandering through time
in a phone booth, was awfully familiar sounding.

By the way "The Twin Dilemma" parallels the story of
Romulus and Remus fouunding Rome almost exactly (though
that's pretty obvious).

>
>				The Woodsman.
>Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu             

Marc Wasserman
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu
Vote Clinton/Gore in '92

-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: COMPANION POLL RESULTS
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:06:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct16.110613.10659


In article <1992Oct16.063251.7055@pimacc.pima.edu>, ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> So who the H*LL was Frobisher?
> 
> clueless....

The *PENGUIN*!  sheesh...

-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: 00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Johnny Byrne
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:07:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct14.160737.10586

In article <7562@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, billw+@pitt.edu (William R Wilkinson) writes:
> 
>    I realize that this should probably be added to the FAQ, but is Johnny Byrne
> (Scripted...Warriors of the Deep?) the same one who did all dem comics?  Or, is
> he perhaps better known for something else?
>    Thanks Muchly!
>     Bill Wilkinson, LAMMA Tamer

No, Johnny Byrne and the creator of _John Byrne's Next Men_ are two different
people, though the latter DID live in England for the first coupla or so years
of his life....

-- 

===============================================================================
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00GDWESSEL       00GDWESSEL@BSUVC.BSU.EDU       UNIX: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
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From: nitro9@hardy.u.washington.edu (Nitro-9)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Another Usenet gathering at Visions?
Summary: All Usenet members going to Visions should meet there...
Keywords: How much did that guy pay for Lister's dreadlocks?
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:25:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

It`s that time of the year again, folks. Time for all of us computer hackers
to meet at Visions and terrorize the convention. This time let's try to meet
early saturday morning and maybe get some breakfast together? Drop me a 
line if you are planning on attending. Shabang and myself will be there, of
course, and great prizes can be won with the "Spot the Shabang" contest. A
splendid time is guarenteed for all......

-Kris
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: No subject
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:52:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <memo.686878@cix.compulink.co.uk> rad@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Dalek Master Plan 5 & 10
>I believe both of these were found in a Mormon Church hall.

As I recall, the Mormons found these episodes in the basement of a building
they bought to use as a Church hall; the tapes had been left there by some
previous owner, not by the Mormons.

   Robert
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Videos USA and UK
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:29:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.055040.1103@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>
>>>I don't think we'll be getting "Claws" anytime in the near future,
>>>for the reason you describe, and probably also because the story sucks.
>
>Why? I have never understood the hostility to this story. It seemed fine
>to me. Not brilliant, but far from being as bad as some people insist.
>
>Mark C.
>
>
Any story that believes that five years from its production, a scientist
will be able to build a cyclotron that can accelerate particles BEYOND
the speed of light is dodgy to say the least.
Other problems it has is that about halfway through, all suspense is lost
when the Doctor, the Master, and Jo learn everything that's going on, and
the only people who don't know what's going on are UNIT and Mr Chinn.  
Jon Pertwee also turns in his worst performance ever in this story.
In Part Four, he should start acting distant and uncaring to the humans
around him in order to trick the Master into thinking they really will
run for it, but he just says the words and lines.  He doesn't do anything
about his delivery or body language that would say "I am now evil, be
wary of me."  Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy made this trick one of their
strengths, and come to think of it, Troughton pulls it off quite well 
in "War Games" too.  
The show does have some good points, Roger Delgado turns in one of his
best performances and actually fills the Doctor's role in Parts Three
an Four rather well.  And we had the invention of Time Loops in this
show.  
But on the whole, this one ranks about a three on a one to ten scale in
my book.

Steve/Iain

>
>


From: uhclem@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 08 Oct 92 22:12 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who Story & Program Guide 2(25)
Message-ID: <-403755@nemesis>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: New Adventures & Tenth Planet
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:48:12 GMT

   Regarding the Tenth Planet episode: if it has been found, I think 
  everyone on this newsgroup would suffer immediate and collective
  apoplexy. There have been rumours for several years about Episode #4
  being found. If it's true, this time, I'll be first in line to buy
  the video when the Beeb releases the complete story. I won't believe
  it until the BBC releases some official statement.

   Getting back to the New Adventures, thanks to all of you who mailed
  me on the topic. I found Nightshade, thanks very much, and it was
  actually quite good. *MUCH* better than Witch Mark (*gack* *cough*). Not
  a particularly subtle book, but hey, who cares!

   As for what people have been saying regarding ordering the books, ANY
  bookseller of note ( and I'd expect B.Dalton would like to fall into
  this category) will order a book for you, if you can give them (a) the
  title (NO PROBLEM) (b) the author  and (c) the publisher. Extra info
  like ISBN #'s are helpful, but in my experience, not necessary. I've
  ordered DW books through a local small bookshop for a couple of years
  without any problem. Usually takes 1-2 weeks, too. What efficiency.

   Anyone have any comments about Paul Cornell's book, yet? Drivel? A
  masterpiece?

			The Woodsman ...

-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: the dw books
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:30:16 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct11.4153.13177@dosgate> "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:
>-> Haven't been able to find Nightshade around here. Any fellow
>-> Torontonians
>-> have any suggestions as to where I could scare up a copy?
>
> Who Enterprises here in Toronto is awaiting their shipment of
>Nightshade.
> Note: The other books mentioned are also available now.
>
>Regards,
>Dale Clayton
>-----------------------
>dale.clayton@canrem.com
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Do they take mail orders, and if so, could you post the address to send to?

Steve/Iain
Xref: sparky rec.arts.drwho:6833 rec.arts.animation:4541
From: kmeyer@unf6.unf.edu (Karl Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.animation
Subject: DOCTOR WHO Animated Series?
Summary: Information, Please!
Keywords: Doctor Who, Nelvana, Animation
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:38:38 GMT
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

I was looking through some articles the other day over on another network,
and I saw something about Nelvana working on an animated DOCTOR WHO series.
Considering DOCTOR WHO is one of my favorite television programmes, I was
naturally interested.

Anyone have any info on this, or is this merely speculation?

Thanks!


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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ARCHIVE: JN-T Bashing Letter, Standardized
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:00:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct8.141129.20446@fia.dmg.ml.com> jogulin@pub_one.fia.dmg.ml.com (Joseph Ogulin) writes:
>One more little gem from our collection...
>(Hi Ron, buddy... remember us? :-) )

>**************************** CUT HERE *****************************
>Well, since we've been accused of it, and are quite likely
>to be accused of it again, we decided to give you the
>"Standardized JN-T Bashing Form."  Please send everything
>to ETS in Princeton, NJ...you know...where all your SATs, GREs,
>and other such things go.

Now, doesn't this look familiar.  :-)  Check the letter pages of an old
DWM for a surprisingly similar (though heavily edited) item under my
name.

Of course, bearing in mind the average intelligence of most indiscriminate
JNT bashers, I made my form multiple-choice.  :-)

--Jon Blum