HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:DEREGISTER Apologies ->News from ALT.I'M AT WORK....
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:41:59 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan8.233529.11333@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, 
GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet writes:
>         Ya know, if some of us folk don't chill out, this entire group
> will be trashed ( or worse yet MODERATED ).  And I would not want that job.
> I swear, I've seen more mature kindergarteners.  Please, keep your shit in
> your diapers and not fling it around the world.  Don't trample flowers.
> Use your shit to fertilize them.
>         And remember, don't post anything you would not want your current
> or future possible employers, friends, family, etc to hear.  All of this
> stuff is public.  Everything is archived forever, and when you finally
> do get well, this may come back to haunt you.   No names mentioned, but
> you all know who you are.  Once the words are out of your mouth, you can
> _never_ get them back in.  Take a hint from one who knows.  If r.m.gd is
> so repugnent and anger provoking, there are other forums.
> 
> Believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on.
> Gladstone>

I've been posting stuff like that listed above for a while and yet strangely
enough left well enough alone. A number of email messages once told me not to
get so worked up about this stuff, and I guess I've taken their advice. I 
almost completely lost it (laughing) when a few people found it necessary to 
inform us that Wharfie is not such a bad guy, posts rejecting him and his 
wisdom notwithstanding. Well, in the past few months we've gone from "claiming"
to be worried about one Mr. Garcia and the future of a certain band to
complaining about seats, performance, and sound. I suppose another pseudo flame
war (I'm not sure how some of you folks think this is so bad compared to other
wars at this address) just keeps things on moving along. I suppose we're
more likely to trash ourselves than be trashed, which would of course, come
right before being moderated :) Anyway, Gladstone, and to the other folks
that I usually join in trashing this flame stuff, remember:

It doesn't matter anyway....................


Peace,
!eric!

I'd certainly rather be here than   alt.I'M AT WORK CRUNCHING and CRUNCHING...
  


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Space Music at Chabot Science Center 1/15-16
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:25:09 GMT


 
 MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at the Chabot Science Center Planetarium
 
 * Hear unusual music
 * Observe the heavens through large telescopes
 * Learn the constellations of Spring
 * Witness exciting science demonstrations
 * View vintage science films
  
 Friday and Saturday, January 15 and 16
         HENRY KAISER AND FRIENDS: Space Music Improvisation
         Henry Kaiser is widely recognized as one of the most creative and
         innovative guitarists, improvisers and producers in the field of
         rock, jazz and experimental music.  The California-based musician
         is one of the most extensively recorded as well, having appeared on
         more than one hundred different albums.  Henry and KINGSLEY WIGHTMAN
         founded the Chabot Planetarium music series fifteen years ago.
         Henry's talented friends, DAVID GANS, GARY LAMBERT and CHRIS MUIR,
         will join him on guitars and electronics for exploration of the
         unknown, outer reaches of space music.
 
 8pm sharp!  Admission $6 adults, $3 under 12.
 
 Rotary Chabot Planetarium at the Chabot Science Center
 4917 Mountain Blvd., Oakland CA 94619.
 (Off Seminary, where Highway 13 and Highway 580 meet)
 
 For reservations and additional information, call 510-530-3480
 9am-5pm Monday through Friday

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: jh5h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeanne Held)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: JGB Halloween show 92
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:38:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfG4jbS00Uh_01aI5o
Organization: Admissions, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am looking for a tape of the JGB Halloween show 92.  This was a great
adventure for me and a friend.  We travelled far(from Pittsburgh) and
had a great time.  We even got to meet Ken Kesey during the costume
contest,  we were the skeletons that glowed in the dark.  This is a
great memory and we'd love to have it on tape.  
Thanks and Peace to all in '93
Jeanne
jh5j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Dave Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Who's Jammin at the Inaug?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:46:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>In article <C0E6F2.K7u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes:
>>notice that this bandleader got taken to jail over the weekend.  He
>>complained about being frisked for speeding

The officers arrested him, saying that he had "a bad attitude"
When one officer recognized who he was, they let him go.

Who decided to give cops supreme power anyway?
While I'm not advocating the violent overthrow of the 
government (FBI disclaimer), it seems that a little revolution
would be very healthy for the current state of affairs.

Thomas Jefferson for President!!!

-- 
Dave Fischer    davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell"
                                               - Edward Abbey
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: nkg1129@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Noah Knowles )
Subject: another MO question, not in FAQ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:43:33 GMT

Hey all, 

I've never mail-ordered tix before, and I'm curious-- how many seats do they 
sell this way per show? How much better are MO seats than Ticketmaster seats 
(on average) ?  How many days after the MO date do they usually stop taking 
mail-orders? 

Thanks in advance.

Noah Knowles (knowles@mephisto.physics.uiuc.edu)
From: nave@math.washington.edu (Lee Nave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Which Inaugural Ball Are We Talkin Bout?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:57:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1icp7fINNd1n
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: runners.math.washington.edu
Originator: nave@runners.math.washington.edu

All this talk about who's playing at the ball.  I'm assuming this
means the Arkansas ball at the Civic Center.  Does anyone know
for sure?

Lee
nave@math.washington.edu
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: 1992 - The Net.Year in Review
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:51:22 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan4.212644.15553@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ANDREJKOW@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>1992 will go down in net.history as The Year of The Diamondback.  Thanks to

        Not to mention that 1992 was the year Joe Doheny got his head
stuck so far up his ass that he became two dimensional, a sort of tie-dyed
Mobius strip with a big mouth and bad breath.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: davec@terrapin.rose.hp.com (David Cottingham)
Subject: Re: Help Request on new lifestyle
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:08:08 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

wharfie (wrat@unisql.UUCP) wrote:
: In article <9950040@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
: >any *bibles* of the vegetarian life style.  much thanks in
: 
: 	Diet for a Small Planet?   As far as cookbooks go, Moosewood's

Diet for a Small Planet is good if you're looking for reasons to quit -
topsoil erosion, groundwater contamination, farm productivity, health, etc.

For recipes, thy American Wholefoods Cuisine (sp?)
by Nikki and David Goldbeck.  Everything in here is a keeper, and
there is enough variety to keep you busy for years.

dc
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Leary's age  (was Re: Acid on TV)
From: rcbi105@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:57:48 -0500
 <1993Jan8.212625.8565@sunspot.noao.edu> <145535@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
Organization: Marshall University

In article <145535@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (Mark Boolootian) writes:

> I think Leary a most remarkable indivdual. 

Thank you Mark it is good to be so well liked :-)

*Matt Leary RCBI105@MARSHALL.WVNET.EDU-The Internet
*1434 5th Ave. Huntington WV 25701 (304) 529-4919
*To you who chose to lead must follow, but if you fall
*you fall alone.  If you should stand, then who's to
*Guide you.  If I knew the way, I would take you home.
From: mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Mike Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: A Better Idea
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:33:20 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
: 	Well, they deserved it.

Who is 'wharfie'?  Or I guess the real question is...who cares?

...down by the docks of the city...
From: wpc@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Claspy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Volkswagon - Eurowagon.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:09:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Todd sez-

>Saw an add this weekend while trudging through horrible football
>games, for the new VW Van called Eurowagon.

>Does this mean more European shows and now upwardly mobile deadheads
>can drive new wheels:-) :-) :-)


>The bus rolls furthur:-)

This new VW Van is NOTHING like the old ones.  Front engine, water cooled, looks
like a Chrysler for God's sake.  Besides, it'll be one HELL of a lot harder to
put new cylinder heads on it.

Bill "wouldn't be a show without helping push start someone's '67 turtle-top"

-- 
William Claspy		Case Western Reserve University
wpc@po.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: go ask Alice
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:23:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.185844.25559@sunspot.noao.edu> brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>
>WOW! Do you think maybe this is why the song is called "White Rabbit".

OK, the final word on this. "White Rabbit" was named after Hal
Broome's automobile. See, back in '66 Hal used to follow the
Great Society around and interview the members. There was no net then,
but he would simply take the reviews to GG park and hand them out,
where Wharf Rat, reb and other old netters would sit around discussing
the contents. A bad review was typically used for rolling papers,
thus the idea of "getting flamed". But I digress. But so what?
Anyway, Grace saw the car one day after a particularly intense day
of popping caffeine pills, and th erest is history.

Bill

ODC: don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no boat that I row.
No, wait. It's "the ship that row, won't cross no fools," no, uh,...
From: cs176wag@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (3jane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Lots-O-Crap
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:09:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Things that make you go...hmmmm....

* I'm glad to see that the tone of the net is changing but I 
  hope that because of the recent witch hunt, people won't be 
  scared of posting controversial material.

* Maybe it's because there wasn't a 6 month hiatus, maybe it's
  because I'm new to this group and this is the way things
  normally operate but there doesn't seem to be much excitement
  about the CNY shows.  Anyone? Anyone? Beuller? 

* I predict a Help/Slip/Frank to open the first night and a 
  Foolish Heart to open one of the second sets.  Now, whether
  these are really predictions or what I would like to see is
  questionable.  We'll probably get a Sunshine as well.

* Anyone else got any predictions?  I'm sure there will be the
  obvious ones: Long Way, Standing on Wharf Dew, I mean, So
  Many Roads, Corina (shudder), China/Rider, etc.  No rumors 
  of anythnig new and/or songs not seen in a while?

* Speaking of rumors, anything new about Mardi Gras besides
  BASS on the 17th?  Has anyone called BASS/MO Hotline lately?

piece, glove, and all that hippie stuff...
=================================================================
             Peggy Cheng - cs176wag@sdcc5.ucsd.edu
           "Excuse me, I'm trying to listen to space."
=================================================================
 


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead,alt.autos.antique
From: meyer@netcom.com (Peter Meyer)
Subject: For your information
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:55:07 GMT

Someone broke into my account and sent out nasty and
obscene emails under my name.

I am sorry. 

-- the REAL Peter Meyer
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Rainbow Family
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:31:02 -0800

 * Original to ALL at 1:102/851.4 in "GREEN.029"
 * Forwarded Wed Dec 30 1992  16:31:02 by Trog Martian at
1:102/851.4@fidonet

I am trying to locate a group of people that live in harmony with
nature.  They were in my area (Ocala National Forest   Ocala, Florida)
a few years back.  They generally move around the Southeastern part of
the U.S.  They call themselves the "Rainbow Family" and live a peaceful
life conserving and restoring natural habitats everywhere they go.
    If anyone has any info on there current location please leave me
mail on this NET or call me COLLECT at  (904) 637-6056.

    Thank You.
 * Origin: Exotica's Pets & Stuff-Crystal River,FL- (1:365/66)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Bill Sloan <wls1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Like, Stop wasting bandwidth, Dude
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09: 23:53 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: wls1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:08:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.110751.16085@netcom.com> Peter Meyer,
meyer@netcom.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.191353.11352@progress.com>
jao@majorca.progress.com 
>(Jeffrey A. Owen) writes:
>>Hi Ihor,
>>
>>My mails to you keep bouncing back, taking a week each time :(.  Can you
>>try and contact me so that we can attend to our tree involvement?
>
>Please keep shit like this from overloading the network.

Please keep shit like this from overloading the network.

Can't talk to you without talking to me,
We're gulity of the same ol' thing.........
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: uajg@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Andrew Germaine)
Subject: Re: Acid on TV
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:18:17 GMT


Well CBS aired their show "48 Hours" tonight and the story was:
"LSD: return trip"...

It was really a few shorter stories making up the show...
First they talked about "raves"? (im an east coaster, never heard of em)
where it seems about 500-1000 poeple hang out outside somewhere that
has been turned into a sorta dance club. Strange. Enter LSD and Ecstasy and
todays lost youth. Then they interestingly spoke of the history, origin,
and some proven (sorta?) medicinal use of LSD. Then enter the
deadhead, insert standard "west l.a. fadeawa" footage so old brent was in it,
and then a kid who was a deadhead "which are a group of kids who follow the dead and eat acid" (well, thats basicly how it sounded) and the
clench-yer-fist-and-get-pissed story about how he sold LSD once and is now
getting 10 years prion for it. CBS seemed to say "this is silly, it needs to be changed" and some DEA guys had their say on all of it as well.
Overall, interesting, nothing new, and unfairly associating deadheads and
hippies with acid.
Call 1-800-777-TEXT for a transcript.

Peace.

-- 
Andrew Germaine       | uajg@sunyit.edu   SUNY Institute of Technology, Utica
1212 Brinckerhoff Ave.|  "Whats so funny about peace, love, and understanding?"
Utica, NY 13501-4016  |    "If you get confused, listen to the Music play...."
(315)-733-8566(voice) |"And i'm not giving in an INCH!- to fear!" -David Crosby
From: patrick.eckman%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Patrick Eckman) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Grateful New Years
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: patrick.eckman%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Patrick Eckman) 

TO: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com

GE>In Florida, we had a very Jefferson (Airplane) holiday, with 

GE>New Years.  My favorite was Tuna on NYE at the Stephen Talkhouse
GE>in Miami Beach.  At the beginning of the show, Jorma said this is one
GE>of his 6 favorite spots to play.  It is a nice club, and very New 
GE>York.

I've heard about some great shows at this club. Wish I could get down 
there :} (It's cold and rainy in New York today).

Any chance that anyone taped the show? Arthur Mariano (sp?) gave a great 
review of a Jorma show in September where he made a stealth tape.  I was 
hoping to talk him into a trade, but nogo so far. Could there be 
soundboards of these shows? I skipped my senior prom in 1970 to see JA at 
a venue 120 miles away. Grace got drunk and fell down, but Kantner was 
fine and Jorma did Embryonic Journey coming out of a break with Jack on 
bass. Magic moment.

peace and Happy New Year!

--patrick


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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: blewis@helix.nih.gov (barbara lewis)
Subject: 1/26/93 Chinese New Year ticket grovel
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:29:08 GMT

I am flying out to CA to check out the shows.  I still need two tickets for
the 26th.  If anyone can help me, please respond.  This is my first west
coast field trip so to speak and I want to see more than just one night.

thanks in advance

p.s. - thanks to all who have dusted off their Wonders of Congress albums
and offered them up.  I knew I had asked the right bunch of people about
Dreadful Grapes or whatever it truly is.  :)   Thanks!

pppppps zen qqqqqqqs
Barb

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: Seat Hogs (THE END, Please?)
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:22:50 GMT

In article <SOWA.93Jan12100754@netcom3.com> sowa@netcom3.com (Erik Sowa) writes:
>>>>>> "Robert" == Robert McMullen <robert@askinc.ask.COM> writes:
>
>Robert> PS--judging from the ton of positive response/similar stories here on
>Robert>     the net, you're the minority opinion.  ;-@
>
>Yeah, right. None of those seathogs ever spoke up to defend themselves,
>so there must not be very many. I love usenet logic!
>
>-- 
>Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)


Actually, there are many of them, they are just afraid to leave all the
seats they are hogging and thus can't post ;-)

Mike Healy

healy@nosc.mil
From: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: 1992 - The Net.Year in Review
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:40:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thismoment.corp.sun.com

In article <1993Jan4.212644.15553@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ANDREJKOW@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>	Some net.highlights of 1992

Geez, ANDREJKOW, I hope you're pleased with yourself.  Nothing like 
ringing in the new year by trying to resuscitate the two major flame
wars of the last year.  What difference do a bunch of hurt and angry
feelings make, as long as there's a chuckle somewhere in it for *you*, 
right?

>[...] Dead-Flames was held hostage for well over 3 months by the
>persistant posting of complaints by non-Diamondbacks who were unable to
>come to grips with the mere existance of folks willing to tinker with
>their concept of the Dead's sanctity.

Right.  They weren't upset about having to scan through kilobytes 
of by then rarely-funny jokes to get to anything concerning the
alleged topic of the newsgroup/mailing list, they were just unable
to cope what they perceived as an insult to the objects of their 
slavish and ill-founded devotion.  Give us a break.

As far as the Wheel thing goes, my favorite memory from that whole
episode is seeing two of the central characters in the drama, one
from each side, face-to-face and guitar-to-guitar, each leaning
toward the other in an attempt to hear what the other was playing 
over the clamor of a roomful of enthusiastic amateur percussionists.  
Where unfortunate events and resulting feelings had rendered verbal 
communication difficult, music provided an opportunity for each to
validate the other by listening to what the other was "saying".

Peace, people...
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu (Steve Milewski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Tape trades gone bad? Help!
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:44:55 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp2-st-affairs-3.uoregon.edu

In article <9301071810.AA11626@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca>,
stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal) wrote:
>In one case I've been waiting 7 months for the tapes,
> each time I send email I wait weeks before hearing back, and am told
> "it's in the mail". Funny how one person can't seem to manage to reach
> while everyone else has no problem.
> 
>  I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem and how they have
> dealt with it. Do you just write it off? It's really tempting to blast this
> person's name all over the net with a dire warning "Do trade with XXXXX",
> but that seems somehow vengeful. What I want is to get my tapes, if not
> then at least get blanks back. I would like to prevent others from having
> this problem as well, but I don't want this to degrade into name calling.

Steve:
I've run into the same problem with tape tree traders on this net. Only
it's been the other way around, I've sent recorded tapes and have been
waiting for blanks to be returned.

There are a number of people who I've had this problem with and I've had no
response at all to followup letters and postcards. I'm just a FOG (front
office grunt) here and so, don't make that much money so being burned on
the tapes is a real drag.

I've basically written those tapes off and I've learned my lesson. On tape
trees I'll trade directly with the branch and won't make copies for anyone
unless they send blanks first or I'll deal with folks on one to one trades
rather than trees. As far as I'm concerned, these folks just ruin it for
everyone, but why spread bad karma by throwing names around on the net?

I'd be interested to find out if this has happened, and on what scale,  to
some of the big tape tree coordinators like Paolo Galtieri. (Folks like
this need to be commended for the job they do).

Anyway, FWIW, Steve
From: darkstar@toz.buffalo.ny.us (peter leone)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: personal to those below me on the 10-27-91 tree
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:21:15 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616

Hey Now! Sorry to waste bandwith here, but to those folks below me on the 
10-27-91 tree, I have recived the tape, but I won't be able to make your 
copies until I get back to school, which will be on Jan 12. so hang on! 
Your tapes should be waiting for me in my mailbox at school, if you 
haven't sent the blanks out yet do so! 
 Peace, Tom Leone (Thomas_Leone@macact.umeres.maine.edu)

                                Peace,
                                        Peter Leone
Darkstar@toz.buffalo.ny.us                              Go Sabres!!!!!!!!
Prodigy: hdhx79b                         Buffalo Bandits MILL World Champs!
From: x88keon@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead @ Monterey
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:11:36 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


I recently bought the Monterey Festival box set.  In the book inside it shows
the Dead playing, and then on the same page it says "some artists chose not to
be included for (whatever reasons)".

What songs did they play?  Anybody know why they aren't on this recording?

--x88keon@gw.wmich.edu