HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mitch@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin))
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:51:39 GMT
Organization: Setec Astronomy

In article <1993Jan20.100852.10600@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
>
>	Roswell.
>
>In my video, the debunkers say that it was a "radar corner reflector".

Given the huge areas of New Mexico reserved for military installations
(look at a map sometime), the most plausible explanation for anything
strange seen in that region is "black project".

However, in the Roswell case, I'm reluctant to accept this explanation
simply because it took the "recovery team" two days to get to the site.
If this were a US project gone awry, they'd have known about it before
the local boys.  I think that it is safe to conclude that whatever
happened at Roswell was unexpected and the military was caught by
surprise.  That in itself would be sufficient motivation for the
subsequent cover-up, even if whatever really happened was quite mundane.

On a different topic, could someone post a summary of the Bennewitz
Affair?  I may have some comments and questions once I see the dates
and players involved.


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"Don't blame _me_, _I_ didn't do it!" --Krusty the Clown | mitch@ea.ucla.edu
"Ididn'tdoitnobodysawmeyoucan'tproveanything!" --Bartman | DOD#[classified]
"Computers are ruining this country." --Al Bundy         | 1987 VT700c
From: tdenbo@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Philadelphia experiment
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:38:57 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

The movie was quite different from the book.  The movie used time travel,
the book described distance displacement.

I really liked the book!  It was so weird that I had to give it a rousing
standing cheer at the end!

The Phiadelphia Experiment:Project Invisibilty
1979
by William L. Moore
with Charles Berlitz
Fawcett Crest Books (paper back)
From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: RE:  7&^ IVO&^T
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:46:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

>Article 12804 in alt.alien.visitors:
>From: bsrrg@dct.ac.uk
>Subject: 7&^ IVO&^T
>Date: 22 Jan 93 12:08:55 GMT
>Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology
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OK, Now that we have this cleared up we should move on with the current
thread. Everything is find here in Cleveland.

dano:
From: Susan_Tees@mindlink.bc.ca (Susan Tees)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ferengi..\Yeah
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:56:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

What is all this about Deep Space Nine?  I am astounded that you
all watched that drawn-out show.  I guess I did too.  But I think
I was drunk, so that makes it okay...
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:54:05 GMT

Tom Randolph (randolph@est.enet.dec.com) wrote:

: I have some small reason to believe that mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu is no more
: than someone's AI project. Try sending mail and see what happens. All I got
: was more random mailings of over-capitalized drivel. Yo, "McElwaine", anything
: to say to disprove this?

Isn't there a program out there somewhere that generates random bits of
trash like this?
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."   -- Buddha
From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:24:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

How dare you call ST:TNG and DS9 Lowbrow!

You quasi-intellectuals piss me off.

The greatest contribution to society you have ever made is probably the
message that I am replying too.  IF *you* don't watch TV then refrain from
commenting on the above topic.

I also find it quite rewarding that The Simpsons contributed to your decision
to nix TV.  You really must have a good sense of humour, a regular Jerry
Steinfeld! (or do you know who he is?)

Pissed off in B.C.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: ajc1@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Cooke)
Subject: Re: John Winston=fucking wanker
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:08:59 GMT


	rubbish!  it's the funniest stuff i have read on usenet for
	ages.  wonderful.

	thank-you, john.

	andrew


    fax (0223) 337523          andrew cooke            (0223) 337504/48 
    institute of astronomy, madingley road, cambridge, cb3 0ha, england   
    i think about you in as many ways as the rain comes  norman maccaig
From: u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk (N.M. Humphries)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:54:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Paul Milsom (milsom@ntb.ch) wrote:

> 	Roswell.

> 
> 3) The special metal alloy used was secret. It was very thin, very light, and 
> very strong. It was, of course, extremely important that samples of the metal 
> didn't get into enemy hands. (Don't ask me what it was!)

> If it weren't for all the witnesses, this would actually be quite a strong 
> case. (Don't flame me, I'm just answering Jim's question!) 

> 							Cheers,    Paul.

> Paul Milsom
> milsom@ntb.ch

If the secret metal alloy was secret 45 years ago, it ought to be commonly 
known nowadays, but, to date, I haven't seen or heard of any alloy that can 
stand a 10000 degree flame or bend itself back into shape, as well as being able
to be rolled out thinly and be very light and strong. If anyone else knows of 
an alloy with those properties, send in details.

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Newsgroup
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:49:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Thinkers: Well I hear that the Great Kibo refers to me as being
human. Thanks very much. That is the nicest thing anyone has called me
in months.
John Winston.
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Give Me A Break!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:51:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.145958.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>
parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
 
>About six months ago this was an interesting newsgroup.  Now it consists of
>science fiction and egos.
 
And complainers like you. Thanks for your 2 cents.
 
>The possiblility that there could be life on another planet is not one that any
>of us would view as impossible.
 
Thank you, everyone.
 
>That they could travel here and watch us and want to examine us is also not
>impossible.
 
I'd sure love to travel there and examine them, sure.
I'll give you that much.
 
>What is impossible is the amount of bull that someone has to go through to read
>something on this board that might be pertinent.
 
And you had something pertinent to say? Well? Let's have it!
Or were you just posting to test your new .sig like me?
 
>I'm sure somewhere on this vast network is a newsgroup for science fiction
>lovers.  Why can't that board be utilized instead of this one.
 
Why can't you post to alt.whine if you have nothing pertinent to say?
 
>And why all the obcenities?  I hook onto this board to learn what others may
>have learned or endured.  Why must you fight as if life itself were being
>threatened?
 
Life itself *is* being threatened....by me.
 
>And what could Star Trek, this generation or the last, possibly have to do with
>the purpose of this group?
 
Nothing, obviously.
 
>This is supposed to be about REAL ENCOUNTERS not encounters with a televison
>set.
 
I had an encounter with a television set once. Aliens implanted transistors
in my brain, and now the TV talks to me. It tells me what to do and when to
do it. I must obey.
 
>Is there another news group that I can hook onto that does have something to do
>with alien life forms and their possible journey here?  If so let me know.
 
What's wrong with posting here intstead of whining?
We're all waiting....
 
 
 
                             ///\\
--Eric                       o/o->
                            _\- /|___
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu   / >7__/<  \
HUMANS MUST BE DESTROYED  / |\ \/ / \ \  DESTROY, DESTROY, DESTROY
From: phs@cassiopee.cosmos (philippe schnoebelen 303v)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: mail exchange with aliens
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:01:30 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France


I'm looking for (snail) mail addresses of aliens currently on Earth who are
willing to answer letters.

I'm already corresponding with Hatton and Kortron & Solinus but would
appreciate having more contacts. [Both are great if you're a stamp
collector, which I'm not.] Hatton is sometimes scary, but this should be
expected considering how may enemies he has. Kortron & Solinus are real
nice.

I there are enough informative answers, I could be willing to summarize (or
put this in a FAQ, or do whatever seems fit. Maybe a "Comprehensive
Directory of Aliens on Earth" (or in the States for a start)).

[PS: I'm only interested in _aliens_, not devils or gods or ghosts ...]

Much thanks in advance,

--Philippe
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From: mahesh@elcaro1.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,rec.arts.startrek.tech,sci.physics,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: New Physics,Healing & Paranormal 2 "White Paper"
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:17:32 GMT
Organization: TeleTherapies,Inc.

In article <C1H5D6.6Jr@well.sf.ca.us>, sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
|> 
|> Continuing part 2 of my paid for "intelligence analysis" on the impact
|> of New Age Paradigms on the future of medicine, new marketing
|> strategies, new politics, etc. etc. for a high level consortium based
|> in Luxembourg,Geneva,London and Paris. 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	You forgot Deep Space Nine. ( And a few wormholes, probably!)

Your (unpaid) comments,
     ^^^^^^^^
	I have been paid (in future, effect precedes the cause) by a 
transluminal  consortium based in "East of the NorthTimeBank" to make
time-space-money-continuum corrections to these futuristic,  historical and
timely revelations of yours.

|> criticisms will be included (if of value) in footnotes. I am striving
|> for a balanced objective presentation.

	I think, since long you haven't taken a ride on Future SpaceWays.
This publication of yours was banned by Federation of United Planets way back
in 1800BC. And BTW, their headquarters is changed. It is in Bahamas now. You
are holding an illegal position.

|> 
|> The behavior of tiny spinning electrically charged particles, mainly
|> electrons and protons (i.e. hydrogen bonds), fundamental to the quantum
	.....
	.. stuff deleted...
	.....
|> thermal equilibrium, break the unitarity barrier of standard quantum
|> mechanics by some new principle not yet understood.

	Sorry for above comments of mine!!
	I didn't know that this is your latest in the series of articles
	written for leading Comics Magazine of the Future,
	namely - "Advanced Infants Entertainments."

______________________________________________________________________________
(Disclaimer: All the views expressed are exclusively mine. They don't bear any
responsibility to my organization.)
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon surface: No ETs
Date: 29 Jan 93 03:47:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
	After watching the NASA tapes on the apollo missions to the
	moon there is one thing that really stands out. The surface of
	the moon has very little erosion and the impact craters are
	billions of years old. The tracks left by the astronauts will
	be there for millions of years and yet they did not see any
	evidents of other tracks.


... well, we have hardly explored even a minute fraction of the body, 
this statement:

	This can lead to the conculsion that any ETs skipped over the
	moon or any landing marks have not been found.

... cannot be supported or denied...  If you were to pick any 6 spots
on the earth, and explore a tiny area around each for a short time,
would you know everything about it?

Charles
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What's the fuss?
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:27:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

John,

Like you deserve an answer.............

Rod 


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Knight
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: anna@moxie.hou.tx.us (Anna Anderson)
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circle
Organization: Home Improvement
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:16:01 GMT

drwho@edwards.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) writes:

> So apparently, some plants break when
> trampled, and some just bend.  So would everybody *please* stop
> insisting that unbroken stalks are unnatural?  We have enough trouble
> sorting through the facts as it is without these distracting little
> falsehoods about details.

According to British scientists interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries, the
crystalline structures of the plants were physically altered at the bend;
altered in a manner that has not been duplicated.

I didn't tape the TV show, so sorry, I don't have any names for reference.

Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:10105 talk.religion.newage:6248
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Northeast Ohio CE5 Working Group
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:09:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu

***********************************************************************
                 NORTHEAST OHIO CE5 WORKING GROUP 
***********************************************************************

Description

The Northeast Ohio CE5 Working Group is an organization that
experiments with attempts at Close Encounters of the 5th kind.  A CE5
is an encounter with extraterrestrial spacecraft or beings that is
human initiated.  CE5 groups utilize techniques such as Coherent
Thought Sequencing, playback of special sound recordings, and powerful
beams of light to attract spacecraft to an area.  This is opposed to
standard UFO investigational techniques, which usually concentrate on
collecting information after an event has occurred.

Past CE5 Successes

The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) is a
CE5 group led by Dr. Steven Greer that has been successful in
attracting and videotaping spacecraft, especially when the attempts
have been made in known UFO wave areas.  One such success occurred in
Gulf Breeze, Florida in March 1992.  Thirty three participants viewed
the event, in which 3 spacecraft appeared to the group and  responded
to signals sent with high powered lights.  There have also been less
publicized CE5's that have occurred in Ohio.

Northeast Ohio Activities

Upcoming meetings of the Northeast Ohio CE5 Working Group will focus on
learning and practicing CE5 techniques, as well as reviewing the
experiences of existing CE5 groups.  The group will then go "out into
the field" on a regular basis and utilize their training in an attempt
to engage actual extraterrestrial craft.

Call for Participation

If you are interested in participating in this activity, and live in
the Northeast Ohio area,  please reply by email.  Comments from people
outside the area are also welcomed.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:03:02 GMT


.mil




-- 
Rod Beckwith     |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$| The 
Datacom I/S      |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,| Nite
rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge."                  | Net
                 |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$|
Knight
From: kaypok@next06epsl.wam.umd.edu (Dr. Who)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Any CE groups in Maryland, D.C. or Virginia ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:57:25 GMT
Followup-To: kaypok@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

I want to contact a group or organization that deals with UFO sightings
or close encounters. Does anyone know of one? Better yet one in the
Washington D.C. area. 
			Any help would be greatly appreciated
			Thanks
			Nathan
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Dang it: well I'm back from vacation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:28:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Dear Earth People: Well I think there is now a clone of me running 
around and it's Mr. Press2.
John Winston.
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:05:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf) writes:

>How dare you call ST:TNG and DS9 Lowbrow!
>You quasi-intellectuals piss me off.

That's an interesting reaction.  Why would you take it so personally
that somebody criticized a couple of television shows you happen to like?  
Does that somehow impair your ability to enjoy these shows?  If so, why?  
If not, then why do you care what anyone else thinks about them?


>The greatest contribution to society you have ever made is probably the
>message that I am replying too.

What does that have to do with the topic at hand?  That's a fallacious
statement; it's known in educated circles as an ad hominem attack, and it
doesn't prove a thing.  Someone's not being a cultural giant himself 
doesn't mean he's forfeited all right to comment on cultural matters. 
Your apparent beliefs to the contrary don't put you in a very good light.


>I also find it quite rewarding that The Simpsons contributed to your 
>decision to nix TV.  You really must have a good sense of humour, a 
>regular Jerry Steinfeld!

You've got a lot of respect for differing tastes in televised entertainment,
don't you?  

Come back when you've reached puberty.



Geoff


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: John Winston club
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:54:24 GMT
Keywords: support


i don't know about you guys but i look up to John even though
I rib him sometimes. he has expanded my mind in some ways?
what;s the difference, you say plate-ians i say setorn-ians
but they all grow from the same group of vegetable-matter.

btw, anyone catch the latest Telly Savalis video where he captures
space alien channelers on film while they are channeling. Very
interrestink, but schtupit.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:14:54 GMT

mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:


>    If the military were going to keep such things secret, would they
>not have kept other such embarrasing things secret, like the YB-49
>crash in June, 1948 (that killed Frank Edwards and 4 others)?

	Uhhhh, I am pretty sure you meant to say GLEN Edwards.  Frank
Edwards wrote books on UFO's......

Duane
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:17:20 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1jn5jpINNdvh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem) writes:
:
:While you may be correct in saying that there are no known planets
:associated with stars other than the sun, this is true only in that
:we have no absolute proof that such planets exist.
:
:This is misleading.  Absolute proof in the form of a space probe or
:direct observation of another solar system is quite impossible given
:the limitations of modern technology.
:
:There is considerable indirect proof of which you may not be aware.
:Epsilon Eridani exhibits a "wobble" in its path through the celestial
:sphere which can be easily explained only by the presence of one or
:more "companions" with a total mass about six times that of Jupiter.
:Barnard's star (one of the closest to us) is thought to have two com-
:panions of 0.9 and 0.6 Jupiter masses.

Sorry to break in, but if this is that announcement last year that was
in the the news (of course it is because it was first time that it had
ever been used as proof according to all the media sources I read - and
I read a lot as this subject matter interests me), a follow-up article
said they had jumped to conclusions too soon, and I think they said,
after further research, that it may be a binary star instead (although
this part may be wrong).  While the theory of the 'wobble' is very
valid, it has, as of yet, not been enough to make the conclusion that
planets are orbiting other star systems.  The ONLY system so far known to
have planets orbiting it is ours.

I believe there are other planettary systems, the chances against it are
astounding.  I just hope to be around (and I probably will) when they
discover them.  Who knows, since I'm going for degrees in the
astonomical field , I might just locate one?  I can only hope! :-).

:There is also a good deal of other (indirect) evidence in the form of
:spectrographic studies, which may be found in many introductory text-
:books (at least in summary form).  I would direct you to these for 
:further information.
:
:One might raise the objection that these companions are too large to be
:called planets.  If they are nonluminous and orbiting a star, I don't
:know what else you'd call them.  In any case, their existence could
:not possibly hurt the chances of smaller planets being present.  I
:hope this is useful.
:-- 

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth