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From: mjl@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Maurice J. LeBrun)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: PAT METHENY
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:43:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep29.145122.20200@webo.dg.com> labuski@emavr01.rtp.dg.com (Frank Labuski) writes:
>Does anyone know who is in the band that is currently touring with Pat
>Metheny?????  He'll be in Boston, MA 11/20.  Thanks.

I heard it's an 8-piece band.  Lyle Mays on piano/synthesizers.  Should be
an excellent show (they'll be playing in Austin on 10/25).

--
Maurice LeBrun    mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu
Institute for Fusion Studies, University of Texas at Austin

Faire de la bonne cuisine demande un certain temps.  Si on vous fait
attendre, c'est pour mieux vous servir, et vous plaire.
                                [menu of restaurant Antoine, New Orleans]
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: censored/banned/restr
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:56:04 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

BD>>I hope to be D.J.ing a radio show next month that plays only music that
BD>has
BD>>been censored, banned, or restricted to some degree in some part of the
BD>>country; could anyone out there help me out by sending me names of bands
BD>>and/or songs that would be appropriate?

     While I'm thinking of it, remember Neil Young's "This Note's For You,"
     the video that was banned from MTV because they didn't want to insult
     their corporate sponsors.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mhumes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Clearlight / Clearlight Symphony ??
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 23:36:29 GMT

There's also a 4th - VISIONS, from 1978, and then Cyrille Verdeux moved to 
Santa Cruz, CA in the 80s, at least for a while. He did a solo lp that's
much in the Clearlight vein called Messnger of Th SUn, on Catero records
in the late 80s. Ther'e a heavy piano sound and at times all of the pieces
by verdeux start to sound like the same composition to me. It's nice music. 

 - Malcolm 

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ghogen@phoibi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Guido Hogen)
Subject: Dates: Jadis, Shadowland, IQ, Chandelier
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  2 Oct 92 18:18:01 GMT

Here are some dates:

1.) Jadis/Shadowland on tour:
    Nov, 16   Oberhausen, Musikzirkus
    Nov, 17   Braunschweig, Schoppenstater Turm
    Nov, 18   Berlin, Knaacks-Klub
    Nov, 28   Tilburg, Noorderligt

2.) Chandelier:
    The new CD will be released on Dec, 1st.

3.) IQ:
    The new CD will be released in February '93. I've heard
    a fan club single has been released with some remixed
    old material. On a SI-compilation CD which will appear
    in December, there will be one new song by IQ.
    On March, 13th there is a concert in the Townhall in Kleve.
    This gig will be recorded on tape and video!

guido
(ghogen@zeus.informatik.rwth-aachen.de)

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Grateful Dead titles
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:30:52 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22263]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

Sorry to bring the Dead up here, but I have a quick favor to ask:

Would someone be so kind as to e-mail me the song lists for Workingman's Dead
and In the Dark?  I'll thank you all now in case I get a deluge of e-mail.
All I need is the song titles, in order, for those two albums.  Thanks.


piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Re: Classic albums dated ?
Summary: Classic Albums
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 20:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.135406.17261@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, peters@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Murray W. Peters) writes:
> 
>       Hello all - just a short question for everyone,
> 
>          If Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon (or any other officially
> 'classic' album, eg Bridge over Troubled Water, Tapestry, Moondance,
> whatever...) was only released today - would it still become a 'classic'
> album/cd ?

Very good point. Many of the ``classic'' progressive rock albums that I
listen to were released and delared as ``classics'' before I was old 
enough to appreciate them (I'm 26). That's perhaps one reason why I have
a hard time determining what is a ``classic'' album that is released 
today. Some of those albums you listed (mind you most are not 
progressive rock) may not get the airplay or attention that most albums
today do. _Fragile_ definitely would have a hard time being recognized
if it were released today because it's too deep compared to ABWH, GTR,
_UNION_. I think it's that ``nostalgic'' feeling (I hate that word but
it fits) when listening to it. It's obviously great music, but I believe
that most of us regard the ``classic'' as much for the music as for the
impact that it had at the time. I'm not sure if they would be as highly
regarded if released today.

A really good example for myself is _Sgt. Pepper_. When I was a young
teenager and listened to it, I couldn't understand why it was considered
a landmark album. I had heard lots of songs that sounded like them but
better. Someone told me that you had to be around at the time to under-
stand how revolutionary that album was. It changed the way other 
artists recorded their music from that point on. 

Sometimes I hear cover versions of ``classic'' songs that sound much 
more slick or raunchy but the original recording just feels right 
somehow. 

Just my humble opinion,
Andy
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson)
Subject: Sky?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:53:17 GMT


A friend of mine has a taped copy of an album by a band called Sky.  The
album is self titled.  At least, he's pretty sure about those two facts.
Anyway, the album is all instumental, with all sorts of odd time signatures, 
and includes Bach's Toccatta and Fugue.  

While at a record swap today, I found three records by a band called Sky, 
this seemed to be a completely different band - had vocals...

Are these two different bands?  Where can I find a recording of the former?
Ranjit, do you think the Sky albums you have are related to the first or
second group I described?  From the Mozart one, I'd guess the first, but I
could be wrong...

							John Stimson
Xref: sparky alt.music.progressive:2763 alt.music.alternative:11605
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: Kevin Ayers (was Re: Caravan and other Canterbury requests)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.133726.22891@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep25.203644.10523@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

|> >> also: any recommendations for good Kevin Ayers records?
|> 
|>The first one "Joy of A Toy" has Wyatt and Ratledge guesting and is a very nice
|>recording, much more poppish than the Softs.  The second "Shooting at the Moon"
|>has Lol Coxhill and some extended jamming, the song "May I" is just lovely. 
|>"The Confessions of Dr. Dream" I have never really gotten into, don't know
|>why.
|> 
|> My recommendations (in order of preference):
|> 
|> 	Joy of A Toy
|> 	Shooting at the Moon
|> 	Bananamour


Just as another data point, I agree with your assessment of Joy of a Toy,
but I hate Shooting at the Moon.  My recommendations:

     The Confessions of Doctor Dream
     Whatevershebringswesing
     Joy of a Toy


(BTW, none of the ones we've mentioned are in print in any form in the U.S.)


===========================================================================
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timk@meaddata.com             could keep both Dracula AND Superman away.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dobias@cs.odu.edu (Julie DoBias)
Subject: morrissey concert schedule
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:21:29 GMT


Does anyone know if Morrissey plans to play in Virginia on his current
tour? More specifically, does he plan to play in Hampton,
Williamsburg, or Norfolk, Va.?  I would appreciate any info on his
tour.

                                        Julie   dobias@cs.odu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson)
Subject: Re: New Gabriel
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:36:59 GMT


I was listening to Gabriel's "Passion" CD, and I noticed intermittent static
on the right channel.  Has anyone else heard this problem, or was I listening
to a defective disc?  The static is really obnoxious - you'd think the 
mixing or recording people would notice something like that!

							John
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: marshall@fs03.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood)
Subject: Are there 2 Pendragons?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:14:04 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA


Like the subject line says, are there 2 bands
named Pendragon?

I think most people here are familiar with the British
neo-prog band that released _The Jewel_, _Kowtow_, and
_The World_, among others.  But is there another band
called Pendragon?

The reason I ask is that in today's edition of the _Boston
Globe_ (10/2/92), on page 59 is a schedule for a 3-day free
concert on the Boston Common sponsored by the local kiddie
disco station, WXKS (KISS 108).  While the concert is
primarily local bands (like the Del Fuegos and The Fools)
and dancey pop stuff (Wilson Phillips), according to this
schedule, a band called Pendragon is slated to play at
3:30 on 10/10.

Marillion is playing in town the next day, so it'd be
quite a weekend for neo-progsters in New England if this
is the real Pendragon.

				--MWood

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson)
Subject: Re: sinead o'connor; I'm confused!
Organization: York University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:19:15 GMT

colette@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Colette Marine) writes:

>In <BvM4no.Fvr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:

>>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

---stuff deleted------

>>>Could anyone out there give me some idea of where she was coming from
>>>and what the point of her performance was supposed to be?

>Here's what I think the deal was. . .  I think it was a direct slam
>on the Catholic church and an indirect slam on organized religions in
>general.  But, what I saw was someone who attacked the supposed hypocrisy
>of the Church by dressing up like a priest, singing like a priest in
>Gregorian Chant-like fashion, yet saying all these things that she
>believed and stood for.  I saw it more as a performance art piece than
>as a musical performance.  And, to an extent, I think it was innovative,
>but beyond that, I think it was basically not very good.

>colette


That's pretty much my take of the whole thing as well, and that shared
by most of my friends that have bothered to make mention of it.  Right
or wrong, I felt she conveyed the message poorly (too cluttered with
all that anger, though she may feel justified in having it), and the
piece as performance was, well -- lacking.  My money is on it being
half a message and half publicity stunt; granted, she may not justify
the piece on the grounds of publicity, but she does manage to grab as
much attention as she can when she can.  (note: If it was Madonna, nobody
would think twice about calling it a cheap publicity stunt, and as far
as I can ascertain, Madonna is easily as serious, and unquestionably
as controversial in regard to issues that she cares about.  Thus I
feel a little bit justified in suggesting Sinead is not beyond being
outragious just for the cameras).  

harvey.
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Family (was: Re: Caravan and other Canterbury requests)
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:08:58 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep28.113843.5079@ecl.psu.edu> tdm@ecl.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.203644.10523@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, 
>st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>> 
>> also: do you all realize how great the group Family is?
>
>I don't, not unless you mean "The Family" (Americans who recorded a 
>great double album on Vanguard in the late 60's, folk/psych/mystery
>stuff).  Please elaborate.
>
For years I've had three Family albums, got them when they were new.
These are "Fearless", "Anyway", and "Bandstand". I know they had several
others before those three, and a couple more after.
To my ears "Fearless" is a classic, "Anyway" is merely OK, and "Bandstand"
falls in between. What other albums by them are worth checking out ?

By the way, very few people probably realize that Family was the band
that produced John Wetton, before Crimson, before UK, before Asia.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Mel Collins
Reply-To: st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:32:32 GMT

don,t forget the two camel records _Raindances_ and _Breathless_ (and maybe
others)  he might have also been on a few of Anthony Phillips's record.
his finest moment can be heard on that elusive Crimson _Earthbound_ (this
also contains some of Boz' most glorious singing for all you Bad Company
heads reading the wrong news group).

Ely.
Xref: sparky alt.music.progressive:2778 alt.music.alternative:11695
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: In Search of Mel Collins
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:23:48 GMT

In article 22063@zoo.bt.co.uk, ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman) writes:
>Right, this one is a very tall order. I am looking for a discography
>of albums/tracks that Mel has played on and/or groups he has worked
>with. Could be fun as he is quite prolific.
>
>To start the ball rolling I am aware of him having worked with the
>following:-
>
>Camel
>Alan Parsons Project
>Dire Straits (Alchemy, any others?)
>Clannad
>Anthony Phillips.
>

How about King Crimson? He played on the LP "Red."

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ken@bnf.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: New Gabriel
Organization: Byte & Floppy Computers
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:43:08 GMT

In <1992Sep28.230736.26576@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Yes, Blood of Eden is 100% on Us.

Nice track, though I thought there was a Passion-like intro in "Until the
End of the World" which is missing here.  Am I right?

My personal favorite at this point is "Secret World".  The album is a lot
more "So" influenced than I was expecting.  I don't think "So" lovers
will have to run in fear from this album :)  Also, where is Marotta?
I noticed he was on the new Suzanne Vega--has Gabriel decided that he
doesn't want Marotta's drums around or did they have a falling out?

Also, the Sinead vocals are not very prominant.  Sinead haters can rest in
peace :)  The vocals are more like the backing vocals on "Shock the Monkey"
than they are like "Don't Give Up" (where they were actually a featured
vocal as I recall).

>Scott

Ken

>(do i need to plug the Genesis list again!? :)

What Genesis list? %)

>Don't worry -- I'm going to make the plug easier to understand.)

We will still misunderstand it to spite thee :p
--
ken@bnf.com	"Never get between a woman and her food"--Natalie
-- 
ken@bnf.com		"Lady Nina, where did all the romance go?"
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Good <> Innovative
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:42:13 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex


This is a follow up to the "classic" album discussion, and to the
claims (by the Lighthouse Keeper, I believe) that certain "prog"
artists are no longer innovative.

OK, I call it "progressive" rock, too.  But I'll be the first to
acknowledge that most of the music I like is no longer "progressive"
in the sense of "innovative".

So what?  ART DOES NOT HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE TO BE GOOD.

If I found a previously undiscovered Prokofiev symphony, I wouldn't
dismiss it as "old news", throw it away and look for an Elliot Carter
or Steve Reich piece.  Just because a musical style has been around
for a while does not mean that compositions in that style cannot be a
"classic" in some sense.

I think our culture puts too high a value on novelty for novelty's
sake.  This is especially apparent in the British pop music scene.

Of course, at some point, "passe" becomes "classic", but the
critics/fashion fascists never seem to ackowledge the
inconsistency/irony of this.

There is a place for evaluating music within its social context; but
there is also a place for evaluating the music in itself, regardless
of how many albums like it have already been released.  When I enjoy a
particular harmonic progression, it doesn't matter to me that it "has
been done".

Actually, that's not quite right.  Below a certain threshold of
sophistication and abstraction, I can get tired of certain musical
forms because they do not bear much repetition.  But on the level of
prog rock/early 20th century "art music", this does not occur for me.

Just because a band uses old tricks: (changing time signatures, pedal
points, long songs with multiple movements & recurring themes,
non-blues harmonic progressions, etc.) does not mean that the band
lacks artistic integrity or quality.

On the contrary.

Here's to "erstwhile progressive" rock.

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: regional music promot
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:18:36 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

TR>                        REGIONAL MUSIC PROMOTERS (9/28/92)

TR>Hi, we are volunteers with the Ohio State University Student Events Committee
TR>the Wexner Center Student Association and a few other groups that organize
TR>musical events.  We are now expanding beyond our immediate region when
TR>promoting shows.  The electronic media based Alternative Media Alternative
TR>Music (AMAM) is the result of this expansion.

     Um, how many times is this message supposed to appear on Usenet,
     anyways?
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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Prog rock items for sale (and a few other things)
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:16:18 GMT
Organization: soon: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk's message of 29 Sep 92 13:06:1



Oh yeah;  I also have a few Jethro Tull CD rarities for sale.  Email me.

Ron
--
Ronald L. Chrisley
School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
NOTE:  I will have no email access between Sept 4th and Sep 20th...
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: Asia live album: reviews wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:23:16 GMT

nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>The other day I saw an import CD of an Asia live concert in Moscow,
>which (amusingly enough) claimed to contain "Starless" and some other
>King Crimson number, along with a reasonably good choice of Asia tracks
>(in so far as there is such a thing as a reasonably good choice of Asia
>tracks).

>Is it any good?

Actually, it's not bad, though Downes' keyboard solo is very disappointing.
It actually does contain the Crimson tracks (Wetton was a member of King
Crimson for a while), and they're pretty good.  Overall, it's nothing
especially great or horrible.  I wouldn't want to pay the full import
price for it, though.
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From: tdm@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Caravan and other Canterbury requests
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:38:41 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <1992Sep25.203644.10523@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, 
st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> 
> any recommendations for good Kevin Ayers records?

Ayers records I have heard include the first two: Joy of a Toy, and
Shooting at the Moon (the latter by Kevin Ayers and the Whole World,
including Mike Oldfield and David Bedford).  Both are great.
Ayers takes up half the "June 1, 1974" live album (the rest is John
Cale, Eno and Nico)--that is pretty cool too.  
I have also heard a later album, Yes We Have No Mananas, which is
basically lousy.  Dave Maready wrote in the zine
Chemical Imbalance that the other good Ayers albums are his third and
fourth, Whatevershesingswebring and Bananamour.  The first four 
albums have supposedly been reissued on CD by Beat Goes On.


> also: do you all realize how great the group Family is?

I don't, not unless you mean "The Family" (Americans who recorded a 
great double album on Vanguard in the late 60's, folk/psych/mystery
stuff).  Please elaborate.

Doug.