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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:56:59 CDT
From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers
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SUBJECT: RE: Films about Frontiers
>
>
> >Date: 30 Aug 1992 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >>Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:03:06 -0400
> >>Reply-To:     Discussions on all forms of Cinema <CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET>
> >>From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
> >>>
> >>    And I forgot the exact original English title of the adaptation of
> >>    that other Jules Verne's classic "Voyage au centre de la Terre" (was it
> >>    Journey at the Center of the Earth?) also with James Mason in the title
> >>    role.
> >>    MICHEL
>
> >  James Mason was in the title role???? Now, did he play the center of the
> > earth, or the voyage?   ;)
> >
> >  --Gayle Gleason
>
>         OK, OK, let me rephrase that. J.Mason played Captain Nemo in 20,000
>         LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA and he also played the main character in the
>         adaptation of another Jules Verne classic "Voyage au centre de la
>         Terre". I forgot the original title of this movie in English. Was it
>         JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH?
>         Better? :-)
>
>         Now, I was otherwise confused in that message when I nominated
>         THE DEEP. I was actually thinking of another underwater adventure
>         which title also eludes me. Ed Harris and Michael Biehn wer both
>         in that one.

>         MICHEL

    I believe that film is THE ABYSS.  (I could be wrong though.)



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Michelle Lehman                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu
University of Minnesota                                Minneapolis, MN
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From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
Subject: Truly, Madly, Deeply
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:47:27 GMT

Just rented Truly, Madly, Deeply last night and really liked it.  Would
be interested in comments from others who have seen it.

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Subject:      cocteau thanks

Just a note to thank all the people who responded to my question on cocteau and
to apologise for double posting the question in the first place.

g
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From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
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Sorry for misquoting A.J. Wright - But I do think that at least people
(or at least some people are rejecting the current campaign practices
indulged in by both politcal parties - Hopefully, if enough people
(read voters) demand a dialogue on the issues we may get such a dialogue -
A.J. Wright also asks if I have only one channel - To quote Bruce
Springsteen "57 channels and nothing on"

Actually I sort of feel obligated as a voter to try to watch as much of
the poltical news as possible.
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...I love those dancing hippos in tutus, and the music is wonderful.  Great
stuff.
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From:         GEORGE RAISER <ST402234@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The law in movies

Wasn't there a Barbara Streisand comedy (w/Ryan O'Neal?) where
everybody ends up in a courtroom at the end and the judge is trying to
decipher all the events?  Hilariously funny, I seem to remember.
--George
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:24:00 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      THE ABYSS

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            31-Aug-1992 01:57pm EDT
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SUBJECT: THE ABYSS

    I should have remembered this logical title considering that the depths
    reached in this one were far below those in THE DEEP. ;-)

    >The movie with Ed Harris and Michael Biehn is The Abyss,
    >probably the worst movie James Cameron has made.This movie
    >certainly explored the limits of an audiences' credulity
    >
    >                          John Smyth.

    Though it hardly qualifies as masterpiece, I liked it as a good piece
    of entertainment with some creative ideas and special effects. And I
    don't think it stretched the limits of credulity more than most any SF
    movie.

    MICHEL
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From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Video lists

        For all who've asked, my video list is compiled
from catalogs from MS Distributing Co. and Baker & Taylor Video.
I sometimes supplement it with information about older videos from
"Classic Images" magazine, and occassionally include releases from
Facets Multimedia out of Chicago.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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Subject:      Deli Plate #3
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--
-scott
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Subject:      The law in movies
              27 Aug 1992 08:11:31 -0500 from <JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET>

From:  Mary Shaffer



A few more titles:
Paths of Glory
The Courtmartial of Billy Mitchell (not sure if this is the precise title)

Thanks,
Mary
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Keywords: Fonda
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:28:13 GMT
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In article <CINEMA-L%92082810265413@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes:
>>        Also, the Henry Fonda movie is "Inherit the Wind" and the Susan
>>Hayward movie is "I Want to Live."  You can add these to the list if you
>>haven't already.
> I thought Inherit the Wind starred Spencer Tracy and Fredick March as
>the two lawyers (Gene Kelly plays a reported, and Dick York is the
>defendant).  Were there two versions of this movie?
> --Gayle Gleason

Henry Fonda was a juror in 12 Angry Men(1957) and a defendant in
The Wrong Man(1956).
.

.
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From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BOYZ N' THE HOOD
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> From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
> What I meant when I said that I suspect that this film plays better at
> home than in the theater is that the movie theater is already an alien
> place whereas seeing the images from BOYZ N' THE HOOD in your living room
> is like watching the footage from Bosnia or Somolia or Homestead, FL - It
> really grabs your heart because it's in your home -
> Anyway, Michelle, I'm glad you liked the film as much as I didd - I, too
> intend to see it again.

Peter, that makes a lot of sense.  I guess I wasn't thinking of it
like that.  You know, seeing something like that (Bosnia, Somolia, or
even what goes on in the inner city) in the "security" of your own
home and having it really hit home.  Makes sense.  Thanks for the
insight.



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Michelle Lehman                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu
University of Minnesota                                Minneapolis, MN
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From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bette Davis movie recommendations, anyone?

Anjani--My favorite Bette Davis film is Now Voyager.  If you want to get
into a romantic mood or shed a few tears, then this is the one.  Additionally,
she is supported by a stellar cast with Paul Henreid, Claude Rains, Gladys
Cooper.  For no. 2?, well, one I enjoy from the 60's is The Nanny, a British
film or of course, the quintessential 60's film for Bette, Whatever Happened
to Baby Jane?  Since my sister is coming for a visit this weekend, I'll have
to avoid the latter myself. *:}  Enjoy!
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:20:00 CDT
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: THE ABYSS

Subj:   THE ABYSS

    >The movie with Ed Harris and Michael Biehn is The Abyss,
    >probably the worst movie James Cameron has made.This movie
    >certainly explored the limits of an audiences' credulity
    >
    >                          John Smyth.

>>    Though it hardly qualifies as masterpiece, I liked it as a good piece
>>    of entertainment with some creative ideas and special effects. And I
>>    don't think it stretched the limits of credulity more than most any SF
>>    movie.
>>
>>    MICHEL

I agree.  Any SF movie requires, as William James put it, "a willing
suspension of disbelief."  THE ABYSS was no more ludicrous than other
works in this genre: INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, ALIENS(1,2,3),
PREDATOR(1,2), ET, etc., etc.

And let's face it.  Any movie with Ed Harris in the cast has some
redeeming value.  When Ed's on top of his game, he could make watching
a Tidy bowl commercial compelling viewing.

j-man

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:18:32 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Parents

Yes, I saw this one too, and think it's a wonderfully perverse film.  If I
recall, the "mother parent" was Mary Beth Hurt, but the viewpoint child of
the film I don't recall.  This was apparently the first feature film of actor
Bob Balaban, but so far I haven't noticed him following up on the promise
displayed here.  In addition to the film's quirky weirdness, I think it's low
profile may be due in part to being released around the time of Ron Howard's
hit _Parenthood_.  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:38:21 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Bette Davis movie recommendations, anyone?

Greetings, movie-lovers.

A long and rainy weekend is coming up soon, and I need
some recommendations for videos to see.  I'm feeling a
Bette Davis urge coming on, so I'd love to hear what (say
2) BD movies you folks would recommend above all others?

--Anjani
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From:         Christopher Mark Conn <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      the final analysis
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Saw The Final Analysis last night... it was a well-done
enough movie and Richard Gere and Kim Basinger and Uma
Thurman were good enough in their roles but there just
wasn't much very different about the movie. You could
pretty much tell what was going to happen. Worth seeing
if you're a fan of any of the above actors, I guess.

I liked _Shattered_ and _Dead Again_ a lot more because
of the twisty plots!
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:45:00 EDT
From:         ken fisher <FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Strangelove/Vegas/Heffner

Someone mentioned a day or two ago that Major Kong's "good time in Vegas" speech

in DR STRANGELOVE was reportedly redubbed after the JFK shooting. This speech
doesn't appear in the January '63 draft of the script, so it appears to have
been a late addition. This early draft also gives some hints about the (many)
lines that P Sellers is supposed to have contributed on the set. (e.g. -- in
telling General Ripper of his torture at the hands of the Japanese: "Bloody
swine...the strange thing is, they make such bloody good cameras...").

Strangelove fans will note that TBS is running it  tomorrow at 8pm, hosted, God
save the Queen, by Hugh Hefner.

kjf-
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A few more (mostly older) with important trial scenes (if memory
serves). This list includes some good genre titles (western,
film noir, horror), but there must be hundreds of others.
In some of these the court actions are not strictly legit...

AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY (dir. by Josef Von Sternberg)
BEDLAM (directed by Mark Robson; sanity hearing)
BOOMERANG (dir. by Elia Kazan)
CAPTAIN BLOOD (dir. by Michael Curtiz; Errol Flynn swashbuckler)
COUNSELLOR AT LAW -- (stars John Barrymore)
THE CRIMINAL CODE (dir. by Howard Hawks)
DRACULA'S DAUGHTER (Dr. Van Helsing accused of murdering Dracula)
A FREE SOUL (dir. by Clarence Brown; stars Lionel Barrymore)
FURY (dir. by Fritz Lang; stars Spencer Tracy)
THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (dir. by William Dieterle; medieval courts)
THE HURRICANE (dir. by John Ford)
ILLEGAL (stars Edward G. Robinson)
THE INFORMER (dir. by John Ford; IRA tribunal)
JUDGE PRIEST (dir. by John Ford; stars Will Rogers)
KNOCK ON ANY DOOR (dir. by Nicholas Ray; Bogart defends John Derek)
THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JUDGE ROY BEAN (dir. by John Huston)
THE LIFE OF EMILE ZOLA (dir. by William Dieterle)
M (dir. by Fritz Lang; Peter Lorre tried by underworld court)
MARY OF SCOTLAND (dir. by John Ford)
MR. DEEDS GOES TO TOWN (dir. by Frank Capra; sanity hearing)
THE MOUTHPIECE
THE OX-BOW INCIDENT (dir. by William Wellman; kangaroo court)
THE PARADINE CASE (dir. by Alfred Hitchcock)
THE PEOPLE AGAINST O'HARA (dir. by John Sturges; stars Spencer Tracy)
the Perry Mason series
A PLACE IN THE SUN (dir. by George Stevens; AMERICAN TRAGEDY remake)
THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE (dir. by Tay Garnett)
THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE (dir. by Bob Rafelson)
THE PRISONER OF SHARK ISLAND (dir. by John Ford)
THE PURPLE HEART (Lewis Milestone; Japanese try American bomber crew)
REBECCA (Alfred Hitchcock; coroner's inquest)
SERGEANT RUTLEDGE (dir. by John Ford)
STATE'S ATTORNEY -- (stars John Barrymore)
STRANGER ON THE THIRD FLOOR (dir. by Boris Ingster)
A TALE OF TWO CITIES (dir. by Jack Conway)
THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME (dir. by Irving Pichel)
THEY WON'T FORGET (dir. by Mervyn LeRoy)
TRIAL (dir. by Mark Robson)
THE UNHOLY THREE (dir. by Jack Conway; Lon Chaney Sr.'s only talkie)
THE WESTERNER (dir. by William Wyler; about Judge Roy Bean)
YOUNG MISTER LINCOLN (dir. by John Ford; Honest Abe for the defense)

George Chastain -- WVNET, Morgantown, West Virginia
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 the universe go up in flames,
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Subject: Re: Inherit the Wind
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:01:45 EDT

In article <22082810315209@vms2.macc.wisc.edu>
Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU> writes:
 
>
>        There were two versions of INHERIT THE WIND, but Henry
>Fonda wasn't in either.
>
    True -- Henry Fonda was in a television production of his one-man play,
DARROW, based on the lawyer's most famous cases including the Scopes trial.
  --Michael Kerbel
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From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

One of my favorite "Frontier" films is Centenial.  Although it most
definitely is a mini-series (it runs something like 26 hours).

It covers a lot of ground (from the first white men to venture west
all the way to the 1970's).

Steve Rife
(STEV@MCO)
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:04:04 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: T&L commentaries

Anjani,
The issue of _Film Quarterly_ on T&L is vol. 45, no.2, Winter 1991/92.
Jeff
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Law and order

REPLY TO 08/27/92 08:40 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Law and order

Movie about last person executed in Britain:  I think it was called
DANCE WITH A STRANGER.   (Had Miranda Richardson in it; she's
currently in ENCHANTED APRIL.)  Jennifer

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From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      hello

I haven't received a message from Cinema-L all day.  Are people
just not writing, or is the problem with my home system?
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:00:58 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Delicatessen, part 3

The director of "A Boy and His Dog" is L. Q. Jones, though I don't recall
offhand if he did the screenplay too from Harlan Ellison's novella of the
same name.

Jeff Clark
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From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New and upcoming videos

Ray, where do you get your upcoming video information?  A lot of it
looks like the information I receive from one of our big video
vendors, Baker and Taylor.

Becky Albitz
University of Iowa Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:40:57 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Bette Davis movies

Thanks to everyone for all those Bette Davis suggestions.
(Gosh, Ellen, do we really disagree on so much??  It's hard
for me to judge for certain because I have such a strong
urge to play Devil's Advocate that I holler about points of
view I don't really have.)

Anyway, thethree (but I've seen one of them already) vote-getters
so far seem to be :

Jezebel (seen it; loved it; I too like her bitchier roles)
Now Voyager
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane

2nd tier:
Dark Victory
Three Faces of Eve (which I always manage to confuse with
                       All About Eve)

--Anjani
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Subject:      Re: Sex in Movies

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                                        Date:     25-Aug-1992 03:14pm DST
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Subject: Re: Sex in Movies

You know, I have no objection to the portrayal of any relationship per se in a
movie, homosexual, heterosexual, etc..  What I do object to is the assigning of
a sexual nature to relationships that do not have a sexual nature, as if having
the characters involved sexually validates the interaction between them.  For
example, you can understand why Thelma and Louise were so close, they were
sexually involved.  It "explains" the relationship and therefore takes away
from it (I don't mean that it demeans it, I mean that in this case it subtracts
from the characterizations).  It is more difficult for people to understand
intimacy, warmth, affection, and kindness between two people (in any
combination that you choose - male/female, male/male, etc.) who are not having
sex than vice versa. Obviously, we are all entitled to see what we want to see
(and not want to see) in a movie.  I just think it is interesting to consider
those things that can't necessarily be explained and that make many of us
uncomfortable.

Ellen
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