From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: DOES CHARACTER MATTER? YOU BET!!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.095624.210928@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER) writes:

>"SOCIALISM"; The theory or system of the ownership and operation of the means
>of production and distribution by society or community RATHER than by private
>individuals, with all members of society or the community in the work and the
>products.

>  In Communist doctrine, the society coming between the capitolistic stage and
>the communist stage, in which private ownership of the means of production
>and distribution has been eliminated, as in the Soviet Union.(Webster Deluxe
>2nd ed.)

>* Countries with Socialist Governments in 1992:
>    Czech and Slovak, France, Ireland, Italy, libya, Sri Lanka, Vietnam and
>Yugoslavia.

Um, these countries really don't fit the definition of socialism very
well.  And you forgot Sweden, and the (former) USSR.

>Do we really want to live like the people in these countries? And don't forget
>Mr. Clinton wanted to send our trrops into Bosnia to intervene! If he is
>elected, we won't have to be woried about being involved in another country's
>civil war, we might have one of our own!

He never said we should send troops to Bosnia.  He did say we ought to
think about bombing Serbia, which was called "reckless" by Marlin
"Taxpayer funded spokesperson for the Bush campaign" Fitzwater only two
days before Bush said the same thing.

>  How smug Mr. Clinton acts when he says he won't have any problem whatsoever
>sending our young people war. Now he says, "if anyone protests against a draft
>and tries to dodge it, THEY WILL BE PUNISHED UNDER THE LAW." What NERVE! The
>draft is legal under Article I Section which states: (12) to raise and support
>armies, (13) to provide and maintain a Navy, (15) to provide for calling forth
>the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel
>invasions. (16) to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia
>and for governing each part of them as may be employed in the service of the
>United States, reserving to the States respectively, the appointments of the
>officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the
>discipline prescribed by Congress.

Not ONE of these things allows the draft, now does it?  No.  No more
than the fact that Congress is allowed to "establish post-offices" means
that they can force anyone to deliver the mail.

Furthermore, these have been superceded by the 13th amendment, which
bans slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

>  Mr. Clinton is dishonorable to the CORE! People that defend him, in my
>opinion, do so because perhaps they did the same things he did or do now!
>I personally had no desire to smoke pot or become an alcoholic as a teen,
>but a youthful (underage 18) indescretion should not keep someone from being
>elected, but...When a 23 year old grad student, intelligent enough to
>manipulate a draft board, the ROTC program, the Rhodes program is called a
>BOY, SORRY!!! By the way, read his letter to Col. Holmes!

I don't see anything wrong with smoking marijuana or drinking at any age.
I don't see anything wrong with avoiding slavery at any age.

>  I wouldn't encourage my children to dodge the draft secretly and lie about
>it. I expect them to fight openly under a Clinton presidency, at the FRONT
>DOOR of the WHITE HOUSE! The Constitution, under the first ammendment, gives
>us the right to dissent under the freedom of speech. It does NOT give us the
>right to break the law, but since Mr. Clinton broke the law and got away with
>it, he set a precedent for anyone who disagrees with U.S. policy.

Of course, unconstitutional laws can't be enforced, so they can't be broken.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
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