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From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: Judo
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:54:31 GMT

In article <1ichvqINNj4p@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 17@viikki.Helsinki.FI, hannula@viikki.Helsinki.FI (Jaakko Hannula (OPTOIM)) writes:
>>Mixed feelings about kodokan's future
>>
>>As a many years board member of our Yudanshakai I felt very sad
>>noticing that even Kodokan has been trapped by the illness. Did 
>>the Olympics really manage to do all this? Who cares for a waza anymore?
>>It seems that in Europe there are developing small groups who do it
>>in the traditional way: we fight and do kata. And do not care for medals.
>>
>>Are there any similar experiences?
>
>Hope this helps in letting you know you are not alone. Perhaps Dan can
>post some of his experiences, as well.

Dave and I have shared some thoughts about this issue a couple of times.
It is sad when only a pittance of an art that contains so much is taught.

Kano believed randori was the most important aspect of Judo, but shiai
was not.  Kata training was also important.  The maximum efficiency and
mutual benefit and welfare principles were of the utmost importance.

Now, however, there is not such an emphasis (as many have noted).  But, I
am extremely pleased with what I have seen both on this newsgroup and
in the "American Judo" magazine that comes with my membership to USJA
lately.  No comments on my USJA membership from all you Phil Porter
fans  :-)

More people want to see the art side emphasized.  Not all new students 
are looking for a place to beat on other people, some are looking to improve
themselves physically and mentally.  The club where I began Judo emphasized
Judo as a martial art not as a sport.  I am now an instructor at another
club where I try to preach the same philosophy.

It is unfortunate, IMO, that as Dave says, training methods will need to
be relearned.  I'm probably not preaching all the right things (as I've
only just started as a head instructor), but I know I'm offering my
students a more balanced picture of what Judo is. 

I don't want to sound like I'm slamming the sport aspect of Judo because
I also partake in that side.  I really like going hard with someone, but
that aspect of the art has its place. 

Dan
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Keywords: aikido, picky
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:24:57 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan4.131042.28152@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>[kotegaeshi] isn't a hold or a throw, I think; it should be a break, properly
>performed.  
	
	Well, I've been taught that you only need to tighten the wrist
enough to connect to the arm and that there shouldn't be much pressure
on the wrist at all never mind enough to break it...   

	Like, is ikkyo "at the elbow" or "at the wrist" or do you use the
wrist to connect to the elbow to connect to the shoulder to move her center?

									wr
From: tuula.saari@vtt.fi
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Wary about pre-class workouts (*puff puff*)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:31:09 +0200
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tuula.saari@vtt.fi

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>Well, I start hapkido tomorrow.  I'm worried, because in most classes
>I've seen, they have workouts before class.. crunches, jumping jacks,
>pushups, etc.. and I'm not in good shape at all.  I'm young (18), so
>isn't it a low chance I'll damage my heart?  I'm not fat at all, just
>out of shape. :)  My exercise is walking around, that's about it.
Yeah, I was worried too when I started Taekwon-Do, and it was much 
harder (and still is) than I expected. But of heart damage, I don't 
think so, if you don't have any heart disease (or been born with one). I 
have a heart sound which is not normal but hasn't caused any trouble. It 
is just one more reason for me to train regularly.
We have warm-ups before practising, which include running, crunches, 
jumping jacks, (lots of) pushups and stretching. You get used to it 
soon, and in a month you'll be able to do all the pushups etc. I 
couldn't at first, because I had weak arms as women usually do.
The most important thing you should remember: you are there to relax, 
get in shape, learn new skills. Just try your best, if you can't do more 
than 5 pushups, that's okay. No-one should make you do more than you 
can. No-one made you go to that Hapkido class either, you volunteered.
Take care and have fun in the meantime,
Tuula
Tuula.Saari@vtt.fi 
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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:22:52 GMT

In article <76235@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>
>I'm wondering about this in relation to my workout schedule. I
>keep a pretty vigorous schedule, but a little while back I
>decided to start taking aerobics to try to improve my aerobic
>conditioning. The class was a high-impact step aerobics class;
>I found it boring and not particularly challenging, and it cut
>into my practice time, so I gave it up.

I'll bet the reason you didn't find it challenging is 'cause you made
the same mistake I did when I tried to take one of these classes --
eliminating the wasted motion and unnecessary tension from the movements.

Of course, when one does that, there isn't a whole lot left of your
average aerobics class.

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From: renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault)
Subject: Re: Taiji and Tai Chi.....
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:54:29 GMT

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From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi or Pa Kua in Palo Alto area
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:35:28 GMT

coombs@ivan.uucp writes:

>Sorry to repeat this request.  The headers on my postings are all wrong.
>I'm at coombs@parc.xerox.com.

>I would like to hear from people who have studied T'ai Chi or Pa Kua in
>the Palo Alto area.  I see one school in the book and have run across a
>poster.  It looks good from the propaganda.  But I suspect that there
>are other options as well.  Thanks.  --Jim

Most of my response is just to repeat your question, I'm afraid. I'd
like to find out about the same thing, although I'm looking for
Xing Yi and Ba Gua. I'm less interested in Taiji, but I realize how
closely related they are.

I studied Ba Gua from Kumar Frantzis in Berkeley. He now teaches
only in San Rafael, as far as I know. I studied long enough to
learn something about bagua, not long enough to learn bagua itself.
I loved it and was amazed at Kumar's talent. If San Rafael weren't
so so far away, I'd be studying with him still. I've begged him to
come down to Palo Alto to start a class here, but he doesn't believe
the demand exists! He's really great at all 3 internal styles.

I've heard the name Adam Hsu for years, and I know he's around here
somewhere (near Stanford). I know he does taiji and think he might
do the other two, but I don't really know anything about him. If
anyone else cares to comment, we're listening!

Maybe I should just become independently wealthy and move to Beijing
to study for a decade or so. NOT.
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Slash or stab...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:57:38 EST


...that is the question.

06-Jan-93 17:58	sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)	Re: Escalation
In article <1993Jan6.143124.18828@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>BTW, whomever it was who was advocating that the stab is better than the slash
>(as a knife fighting technique) has obviously never seen "Surviving Edged
>Weapons" (a very interesting police training video concerned with knife
>wielders).  Clearly a good knife fighter is prepared to turn nearly anyone
>into mulch.

>>Gee, Peter...the last person *I* can recall touting stabbing over cutting
>>was some fellow by the name of Capell (psc@sei.cmu.edu) who was loudly
>>proclaiming the superiority of the Chinese straight sword over the 
>>Japanese katana ;-). 

Oh Stevie! Are the lights on today?  If you recall, it was I who was
begrudgingly acknowledging that I don't believe there is an equivalent to the
Japanese sword in China.  I do believe there are much better sword techniques
than iaido, but I don't know of better swords. I think Japanese swords are an
amazing technology.  I have a former Boston museum curator friend who has
quite a personal collection, and so I have a very special appreciation for
them.  He also has a very nice Chinese sword as well--not like the crap we see
all over the place now.  

But if you are interested in *technique* vs the omniscient Japanese
technology, there is a nice movie called "the Ninja Challenge" which is a
hokey but accurate exegesis on the subject of the differences between Chinese
and Japanese sword technique.

Besides, in this context, my discussion was about *knives*, where a stab or
slash occupies about the same amount of "commitment of the blade."  With a
knife you can stab an slash as part of one motion--not so easy with a 40-inch
sword.
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: CarJacking: my $.02
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:04:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I would like to add my $.02 about CarJacking.  CarJacking falls into the more 
general category of "assaults in transit".  For example: you are on a subway 
and as you leave the subway somebody mugs you and steals something from you.   
An "assault in transit" can be perpetrated by assailants who have no knowledge 
of you, merely that you appear vulnerable.  On the other extreme, the 
perpetrators can have intimate knowledge of you, similar to an assassination.

The police in this area recommend "Do not drive at night".  Good advice.  A 
simple and effective rule to follow.  This infringes on the life-style of many,
particularly those who work at locations distant from where they abide.
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Pinyin
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:26:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

A short comment on the argument over chinese Romanized Orthography.
The reason that letters such as q and x have been mapped as they are
is also related to the desire to set up a phonetic system that allows
the Chinese themselves to learn the language more easily, and to allow
for reasonable typesetting. (Just try typing with a keyboard with
several thousand characters on it!) 

They didn't really care whether it made sense to an English speaker,
it was meant for the Chinese. The fact that q and x and ch have
distinct pronounciations required different letters, and since q and x
from European languages have no corresponding sound in chinese, they
were available. 

All this means that they don't need to develop special keyboards,
etc., just to write Mandarin. They could just buy good ole American
typewriters and computers and bang away.

And now we take you back to our regularly scheduled match.
-- 
Happiness is just a                     ******************************
remembrance away.                       *  Lorenzo Farris            *
                                        *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
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From: mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden)
Subject: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Reply-To: mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:02:24 GMT

Hi,

I'm a casual reader of this newsgroup. I was just wondering if anybody
has a list of, or knows the meanings of, the various style names, or parts
of style names.

For example:

   - What does "do" mean in "karate-do", "judo", or "tae kwon do"?
   - What does "ju", "su", or "jiu" mean in "ju-jutsu" or "jiu-jitsu"? 
   - What does "jitsu" mean?
   - What does "hapkido", "tae kwon", or "ninjutsu" mean?
   ... etc.

Just curious,
Mark



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: M.J.Wright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright)
Subject: Re: Strength vs. Skill
Summary: strength v skill; Hapkido perspective
Keywords: hapkido
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:08:09 GMT



Hi folks

<comments on whether a weak person can do judo deleted>

I'm not sure what is meant by "weak".  There is a danger of being
tautological and defining "weak" as someone with insufficient strength
to do Judo.

While I am a Hapkido rather than a Judo practicioner, I believe that 
any ninety-nine pound weakling has what it takes to execute our throwing 
and other techniques.  Certainly, they may face problems doing breakfalls 
etc at first, but no more so than any other beginner.  Part of the benefit 
of martial arts is the development of physique and confidence that enables
students, even "weak students" to achieve things that were once difficult.

So how is this done?  I see the "weak" person's stregth coming from two areas:

1	Timing, and the use of an opponents force against them.  By accepting
	and deflecting the attack, only a very small amount of energy is 
	required to throw the opponent.  For example, stomach throwing a
	charging opponent, or for that matter stepping to one side and
	tripping them, requires little strength - the opponents charge does
	the work.

2	Tan-jon, one point, hara, call it what you will.  The application of 
	power in our form of hapkido ultimately stems from the centre.  
	Consider this is western terms: the centre is the centre of balance 
	in the body; a ninety-nine pound weakling has the strength to lift 
	and move ninety-nine pounds (their own weight); the point of 
	leverage for this is their centre of balance.  Therefore, by
	using the motion of their centre to provide power, they have access
	to nearly ninety-nine pounds of force.  How many people can lift
	ninety-nine pounds with (say) a bicep curl?  So even an apparently
	"weak" person has access to huge amounts of power.

So accepting the attack, timing, and the use of the centre should allow 
anyone to perform our form of Hapkido.  Is it the same in Judo?

I hope these comments are interesting, and look forward to some other views.


Malcolm
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Richard Bustillo - Calgary,Alberta
From: sboland@mtroyal.ab.ca (Steve Boland)
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:00:42 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

                  A Richard Bustillo 2 Day Seminar
                         At Calgary, Alberta

                          March 20-21, 1993
                      9 am - 4 pm (with breaks)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Hand-on workshop will cover:

	*  Jeet Kune Do (Jun Fan Gung-fu)
	*  Filipino Kali/Escrima/Arnis
	*  Muay Thai/Kickboxing
	*  Trapping/Grappling
	*  Shoot Wrestling

  Cost is $120 if registered before March 1, 1992.  After that it's $140.
  Participants must pre-register.  To register or for more info, contact:

                            Daniel Rutano
                      Canadian Kali Association
                         88 Ventura Way N.E.
                             Calgary, AB
                               T2E 8G5
                       Phone:  (403) 250-8069

  You can also E-mail me at this address.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
                  A short blurb on Richard Bustillo

 	*  Director IMB Academy, Carson, California
	*  Chairman, Jeet Kune Do Society
	   (Richard is one of Bruce Lee's original students)
	*  Vice-president, World Eskrima/Kali/Arnis Federation of the
           Philippines (WEKAF)
	*  Coach and official, USA Amateur Boxing Federation
           (Certified with USA Olympic Training Center)
	*  Shoot wrestling instructor - certified by Satoru Sayama
           (IMB Academy is one of only 2 schools in the USA certified
            and sanctioned by Shoot Wrestling Federation of Japan)
	*  Coach, Muay Thai
	*  Certified Law Enforcement Defensive Tactics Instructor
	*  Lecturer, California State University, Phys. Ed. dept.
	*  Columnist for martial arts magazines
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From: basler@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (Charles Basler)
Subject: Aikido in Knoxville,TN?
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:21:24 GMT

 Anyone know of aikido training in or around Knoxville,TN?
 Send replies to basler@utkvx.utk.edu. Thanks in advance.
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From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: NEWS: Master Choon Jung wins World Championship
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:27:52 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:31:37 GMT

Master Choon Jung wins the 7th Kung-Fu World Championship

Sifu Choon Jung, master at the Wu Shu Kung-Fu Institute in Webster, Texas,
competed at the 7th World Kung-Fu Championship held in Taipei, Republic of
China during November. He won the world title in the middle weight,
full-contact fighting division as well as the world championship in hand
forms. This competition, held every three years, included over 500
competitors from 52 countries representing many different styles. It is
his fourth international title. Sifu Choon is a member of the U.S.
National
Team. He is a sixth degree black belt and master of Pa Kua, Tai Chi,
Hsing I,
Shaolin, Mantis, Chin-na, and Akido as well as weapons master.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:27:05 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: cs_e445@ceres's message of 5 Jan 93 17:06:42 GMT


In article <1icf72INNglq@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:

   Hello all,
   We sometimes have free-sparring in our karate lession, semi-contact (ie. touch
   blows) between men and women.
   I am interested to hear about the attitides of people, about this.

   Should I as a man just treat the woman as an opponent and go in as hard as
   I would as if I was against another man, or should I put on 'kid-gloves'.?

How hard do you hit another man?

   There are 2 sides to this!

	   The idea is that we leave all ranks and positions outside the dojo
	   when we train, and shouldn't discriminate against women. Also in a 
	   real life situation an attacker might not be so discriminate.

	   Women are 'mostly' not as physically strong as men, and so are at a
	   disadvantage, and should be trated accordingly.

Strength isn't really the issue, is it?  If I kick you in the ribs, 
the damage that you will sustain has little to do with how strong you
are.  I guess the right word would be frailty, or fragility. 

The simple answer is that you should gauge your sparring to match
your partner's needs and ability.  If you have two partners of equal
size and ability, one male and one female, it makes no sense to go 
easier on the woman simply because of gender.  She's got equal skill
at evading you and hitting you, and if you hit her, she's no more 
likely to be damaged than the man.

Of course, if you do find a discrepency in how you spar men and women, 
you might also want to consider that perhaps you are being a bit too
hard on your male partners.  That's not said jokingly, either...

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From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Qi-gong
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:05:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfGts7W00WB70AKlEE
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

eng10193@nusunix1.nus.sg (YEE BOON CHEOW) writes:
>   How does one know whether he is doing the correct method of practising
> Qi. I have heard and read many instances whereby people gets injured or
> insane just because they practised the art wrongly.

I don't do qi-gong, but I do standing meditation. What's the
difference? In qi-gong, you visualize the movement of qi, in standing
meditation, you just sorta stand there and try to relax and clear your mind.

    Its supposed to be okay to practice standing meditation and
similar non-visualizing meditations without a teacher. But if you
actually do qi-gong, then you ought to seek out a real teacher -
anything else is risky [qi or no qi, the mind can have profound
effects on the body]. Everybody is a little different, and your body
may have little problems which may require you to deviate from a
"standard plan".
    If you don't have a qi-gong teacher around, why try to learn it?
Calisthenics, stretching and aerobic exercise are perfectly reasonable ways
to maintain health and increase your qi - either way, you only get out
what you put into it.

	Stephen Y. Chan
	stevec+@cmu.edu
From: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: japanese term
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:48:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <sandacz.726507794@gargoyle>, sandacz@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Kay Sandacz) writes...
>Does anyone know a collective term in Japanese for shinai, bokken,
>jo, bo, tanto, and the like?  We call them weapons in English.
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>---  
> Kay Sandacz				What doesn't kill me makes me stranger.
> 

Kobudo.  At least that's what we call the instruction at my goju-ryu dojo.
From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: Canasta Question
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:35:06 -0500

Any canasta players out there?  I'm trying to learn & have a few questions.
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From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier)
Subject: Again forgive the intrusion
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:42:42 GMT


Hello

(I apologize in advance. I have no way of knowing whether or not, these messages
are going through)

I am trying to get ahold of Sarah Roff, she graduated from Yale in 1990 (with
a degree in History). Any information that you have would be appreciated.
Kindly e-mail to me directly, as I am at a remote sight.

Regards
Neil Schier