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From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:30:00 GMT

In article <BxqKu9.H9q@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> chclau@demorgan.uwaterloo.ca (Carmel Lau) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.040309.12837@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:
>>In animals' world, they kill only when they are hungry. They kill for
>>only one reason, i.e. to eat the victim (animal.)
>>
>>Chinese are right because they are kill for eat. Are Chinese animal? I
>>don't know! But sometimes I just feel that human's moral standard can
>>hardly be said higher than the animals' one.
>>
>>Why dogs are more supreme than pig, chicken, cow?
>
>Do you consider yourself a higher being than other animals? If not, then I'm
>sorry, you are just an animal. If yes, then why do you consider yourself a
>higher being? There are many factors/characteristics which separate you and
>an animal, e.g. logical thoughts, emotion, passion..., and dogs show some
>of these charateristics which make them dear to human. That's why they are
>"superior" to pigs, chicken...
>

It is possible that such "superiority" is just a false sense because humans
have kept dogs as pets for a long history.  If the roles of dogs and pigs
were exchanged, wouldn't eating pork be as "uncivilized" as to eating dogs?

Human higher than other animals?  Not really unless you consider logical
thoughts as something superior, and there is no reason to assume this
superiority.

>>Always remember, killing is for eating, not for beauty or any another reason.  
>
>If your argument holds, then how about we kill each other for food?
>

The point is not to kill unnecessarily.  I think the original poster
does not mean to include human.  We do not kill each other for food for
another reason.  Killing fellow humans for food would endanger our species
to survive as a whole, so killing human is unethical even when the only
available food is our fellows, if we place the survival of our species over
the survival of the individual.

>Just my $0.02.
>C. Lau

My .2 cents.

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From: jwong@cs.arizona.edu (John Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Chinese Joke
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:14:38 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


Question : What do you think a Chinese couple will name their new
born baby when they discovered that he has blonde hair, blue eyes,
and fair skins?

Answer :  Sum Fin Wong

--
John Wong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:30:06 GMT

In article <1eb0uoINNc74@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com writes:
>The secretary general of the UN decided to have a report-writing
>contest for the various ambassadors.  The subject was to be arbitrary, 
>and the titles of the report should reflect something of the character 
>of the representative nation.
>
>The Secretary General decided on the topic: elephants.  A coupls
>of days later, he received the various reports.  The titles were
>as follows:
>
>England:  "Elephants and their effect on the British Empire."
>
>USA:  "How to build the biggest, bestest, fastest and most
>       expensive elephant!"
>       
>Canada:  "Elephants: a federal or provincial matter?"
>       
>China:  "Elephant: A Socialist with Chinese Characteristics"
>
>France:  "Elephants -- a love story."

HK: "Elephants don't have a say, what can they do?"

Australia: "The Republic Elephant and its future"

---Cheers,
	Bill
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From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:35:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Organization: Hewlett-Packard SSG/CCSY-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) /  6:30 pm  Nov 12, 1992 /

>If you are talking immigrants to England, yes you can.  But not
>immigrants to HK.
>Immigrants to HK from mainland can't get a BNO passport no matter how
>many years they have been in HK.  They can only get CI.  This is
>common sense.  Maybe you have been away for too long.
>----------

No. Immigrants from mainland can get a BNO. Only after they nationalised 
to British Subject. The procedure is a bit different from nationalisation
into UK. Yes, all people having their nationality stated as Chinese can 
apply for CI only. To nationalise to HK British, one has to put an advert.
in an offical newspaper like SCMP, Wah Q Yat Pao (Oversea Chinese Daily)
or Shing Dao Yat Pao. I don't think many people would noticed such advertise-
ment. A lot of businessman in the 60s or 70s nationalised because the
difficulty in obtaining visa to some countries with a CI. Up untill 15
years ago (I forgot the exact year), many south east asian countries 
required a CI holder provide some reference. 

Yes, I have left for a long time. Or maybe you are just not aware because
CI is more useful these days.

Yuk
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Vivian Chow
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:17:58 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <kTG=Wj=@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>
>Fellows, don't trust him!  He's the guy who said very harsh remarks on VC
>a few articles ago!!!!!  :-)
>
>In reality, what George said is 80% right.  VC is currently being suspected
>as someone who got "taken care of" by a few $$aire.  So she is a xxxxx if
>you'd consider xxxxx as a profession.  (It is, isn't it?)
>
You made a mistake, dude.  My only comments on VC was that she
wasn't that pretty when I met her a few years ago.
Don't be confused with others' comments that I am not liable to.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: whui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (INSANITY)
Subject: Frivolous postings in hk
Summary: i don't understand what's with all these postings of one or two 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:16:46 GMT
Keywords: hmm..

well...what's with all these postings of one or two sentences
at least say more stuff
even if it's trash or junks
nice to hear from people of the same race sometimes
not to be racist or anything but it's really different with other race
i mean there's lot more of us than them
but we're just so scatter and never cooperate with one another
of course,not all of them r bad or anything sometimes could be very interesting
but still it's different
i see that some people from HK who graduated from the same school tries to
connect one another around the world
this is pretty nice especially that friends could be contacted easily
i for one thing haven't seen my HK classmates for a long time
because i moved to U.S. since i was 9 which means i left HK (around 2nd grade)
w/o really knowing how to keep in touch with my friends
that's really sad because i really miss them and never had a chance to see
them again
even if i see them,i don't think i remember them or vice cersa
oh well...if some day i see them again...would be nice
it's very interesting how my girlfriend,agnes,keeps contact with her friends
through the network....nice that they have an internet of themselves.
sigh.....maybe i should have went to a girl school too...
seems like friends r closer in her school.
From: yhmok@luke.mti.sgi.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:25:50 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Keywords: dogs

In article <1eathgINN81l@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>, tlm@chico.doc.ic.ac.uk (Te Lung Man) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov16.044444.703@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>,
|> lhf@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Leung Ho-Fung) writes:
|> |> Eating dogs is good for the body, especially in winter.  So I think it is
|> |> more appropriate to eat dogs in Britain than to eat dogs in Hong Kong.
|> |> 
|> |> Do you think so?
|> 
|> Good Suggestion. It is getting really cold in Britain. But unfortunately
|> I don't think there is a restaurant that sells dog meat. Does anybody
|> know ?
 
	Good stuff, where can I get them in Califonia?

	Shark at SGI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Subject: Re: Chow Yun Fat's first name
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:31:55 GMT

In article <98048@netnews.upenn.edu> gho@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grace Ho) writes:
>
>
>
>Hi.  I was wonderin....does anyone know what's 
>Chow Yun Fat's american name?  So far, someone
>told me that it was Robert but someone else
>told me it was Adam...who's right?
>thanks...
>
>Grace

 Having been his fan for more than 6 years, I never know he had an english name!
Can anyone tell me about this? I hope he is not called Robert. In HK, the word
"Robert" has some other meanings, I think....


Chibi
From: lsim@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Comments on CANT_SNG.ZIP :) :)
Date: 15 Nov 92 04:01:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Nov14.220131.1
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Hi!

     I recorded some Cantonese song recently as an experiment (Cant_Sng.ZIP on
cica.indiana.edu).  I have received several comments since then, most of you
told me that they are too short.  The reason that I limited them to < 30-35 sec
is that currently MPC has no standard for wave file compression.  I ran another
recording of two songs, each 1 minute - resulting total disk space used is 2MB
and 1MB zipped.  I don't think I will upload any more files until there is a
FTP site which is suitable for it (such as the proposed site at UNCC,
cica.indina.edu is more of a Windows Application depository site).  I would
also want to check out the possible copyright violation mentioned by someone
lately (in my opinion - as long as they are just a clip, it is fine - I am not
pirating the whole thing, it is just a sampler for god's sake!).

     Please redirect all comments to <LCSim@vax2.cstp.umkc.edu>, I do not read
this newsgroup.  Thanks ..


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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:56:14 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com writes:



>           ____  __.---""---.__  ____
>          /####\/              \/####\			
>         (   /\ )              ( /\   )
>          \____/                \____/
>        __/                          \__	Funky Cheung asks,  "any one?"
>     .-"    .                      .    "-.
>     |  |   \.._                _../   |  |
>      \  \    \."-.__________.-"./    /  /
>        \  \    "--.________.--"    /  /
>      ___\  \_                    _/  /___
>    ./    )))))                  (((((    \.
>    \                                      /
>     \           \_          _/           /
>       \    \____/""-.____.-""\____/    /
>         \    \                  /    /
>          \.  .|                |.  ./
>        ." / |  \              /  | \  ".
>     ."  /   |   \            /   |   \   ".
>    /.-./.--.|.--.\          /.--.|.--.\.-.|



>That's O.K.  Funky Cheung comforts himself, "The best possible thing
>that can turn out is a geeky nerdy engineer with a few sexy pimples on."

>Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.


For some unknown reason I always though Funky is a female.  Maybe I am wrong. 
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:54:24 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <BxtHB6.8K4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> psmkong@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Kong) writes:
>
>
>It is not surprising that a lot of us do not know what KCR is.  I for one,
>did not konw.  That was because I left Hong Kong about 17 years ago.  

KCR has existed for more than half a century.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Stunning New Investment Opportunity in US
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:07:38 GMT


This is posted in alt.chinese.text:

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~{SJF1DGC44s5DC@9zHN:NR;V]5DMA5X!#~}
~{OzJ[SJF1Cf;}4sP!5DMA5XJGR;<RC@9zMA5XMFOz9+K>N*AK<MDn8g~}
~{BW2<7"OVC@V^4sB=Ne0YV\5D<MDnF7#,6xVP9zHKBrUbVVMA5XTrJG~}
~{N*AKG)V$H%C@9z!09\@m!1UbF,MA5X!#~}

It says that there are some three hundred citizens in Beijing register
for buying a piece of land of the size of a post stamp located anywhere
in US for US$650. The selling of this stamp-size US land is the idea
of an American company, which sells the land as a 500-year anniversary
souvenir for memorializing the discovery of Ameirca by Columbus. And the
purpose of the Chinese who buy the land is to obtain the visa in order
to "manage" that piece of land.

HAHAHaHaha ...

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Values
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:26:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <By5HCx.DLG@world.std.com> afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung) writes:
>Sorry that this is not answer to your questions, but your posting reminded
>me of two rather unpleasant incidents that I experienced ....
>
>2. I once had to tell my parents that I needed some privacy. Suddenly, I
>   realized that there was no way to translate it into Chinese. The concept
>   of "privacy" is alien to Chinese culture!
>
>I think our culture is in dire need of "modernization" ....
>
WIERD, I started out disagreeing, since I know there exists the concept
of privacy, but for the life of me, I can't remember the world.  Trusty
Chinese=>English fails me on this, and I've lost my English=>Chinese
dictionary.  I think it is 'gze' or 'ge' as in self.  If I remember,
it's just 'gze gay dik see gan' (my own time). or just 'gze yo' (freedom).

As for modernization, are you speaking for all Chinese in general? 
I know that some (most even?) HK are quite modernize (esp those 1 or less
generation older (ie, around 40's) since they grew up in a more modern
society.  Actually, I think the word should be "Westernize"...not necess-
arily a good thing. 

Look at the rich culture retained by the Japanese.  I have a feeling that
way back, there is some Chinese in that culture (don't know my dynasties,
but I think it was before the Han Dynasty) where Chinese slept on mats, wore
something similar to the kimono, used the low tables, etc.  (again, this
is more from hearsay than genuine research.)  Look at what we (Chinese)
have lost in terms of tradition/culture from the Yuans (Mongols) and the
Chings (Manchu) (think those are the right names...).  If I remember
correctly, it was the Ching Dynasty that made the long pig-tail fashion-
able/standard.

Look at the Occidental culture (esp.American) and compare it with the
Oriental Culture.  There are lots of differences.  compare the two
cultures in pieces.  I, for one, know that I like a combination of both,
but not fully Occidental nor fully Oriental.  "know your opponent" I think
SunTzu said...(not that I'm anti-Western or something) but, I think we
should, as HK/Chinese-"wa qu", look at both sides of the coin and not
just condemn the past (or the future) (not a direct remark to Al, btw,
this is not a flame in anyway/shape/form)
-- 
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Just Babbling   <bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>   state of confusion"
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From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Woman, Dog, then Man (Was: Is it right to eat dogs?)
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.125904.7784
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Only in the West!  Dog is above man.  So do you still think it is
right to eat dogs? :-) :-) :-)

Dog is said to be man's best friend (again, from the West).  Would you
eat your best friend? :-) :-) :-)

Seriously though.  There was a donkey in Seattle tortured to death
several months ago.  A big cry from the public wanted harsh punishment
to the ones that committed the horrible act.  The newspapers carried
the story day in and day out.  During the same period, a little girl
was raped, throat slashed, and dumped into a dumpster.  The girl
survived and helped the police arresting the man who left her in the
dumpster to die.  But few people know about this story.  Well, the
story came out because the judge on the girl's case commented that the
public pays more sympathy to animal than to human being.  I look at it
differently though.  The story like that of the girl happened in the
US too often that the news media didn't think it was news worthy.  But
the donkey thing was a sensational story and the public bought it.

What was I trying to say?  I don't know.  See you guys later.

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Crossing the Line
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:31:00 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

First of all, the word *is* AMBIGUITY.  The spelling is 100% correct.

In article <1ed4huINN3fe@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>
>I mean, how do you tell if it's a "NO" or a "Maybe"?
>

The whole ides of my argument is:  NO, YOU CAN'T NEVER TELL UNTIL YOU HIT IT!
In the past the girls would just keep a distance from you, to discourage you.
Today?  Most of them would be indifference to you.  Will hang out with you,
you pay the meals and tickets, of course (that's the gestures of gentlemen,
right?), and ask you to take her photos (she keep the film and photos without
paying a cent, of course).  

Now, do you know what's going on?  She may as well said "Well, I just consider
you as a friend.  Girls are more open now.  It doesn't necessary to be your
date to hang out with you.  Sorry to confuse you".   Of course, some may
offer you the money back, and of course (again, the gestures of gentlemen)
you won't take it.  Ha ha!  

At the point, you still couldn't tell whether she used you or not.  There is
no way you could prove it.  That's the beauty of ambiguity:  Only the girls
would know.

Don't be so happy when you hold her hands for the very 1st time.  I've seen
so many girls hyping for boyfriends simply because they simply want to use you:
Say, ride on a nice Acura Integra, free movies, have someone to show-off (yea,
my boyfriend is from XXXX univ., a Ph.D. and drives a BMW), etc.  Or simply
want you to help out her homeworks.  Or she's lonely in a foriegn country...

Even a girl with a boyfriend may not reject you until the last minute.
You know, girls feel pride when her circle knows she has followers all over
the places, and unfortunately the boyfriend usually loves it, since it proved
that he make a great catch.

How sad.

*****

So the only way you could tell is observe carefully.  If after a few freebies
she doesn't bother to say thank-you, or if at the very 1st time she doesn't
*insist* on paying you back.  Be careful.  Check first to see if she has a date
already. 

This is in no way a message to offend anyone in any light.  Boys are
manipulative towards girls as well.  

So, want a date?  Apt for an American, they will refuse you immed. without any
hestitation if she/he thinks you don't stand a chance.  Most HK people called
this OPEN, I'd call this DRAWING-THE-LINE-CLEARLY-SO-NOBODY-WOULD-GET-HURT.

My 2 cents only.  Flames and comments welcome.


- Louis






Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: iu051@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:57:06 GMT

b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:

>I am so sorry to learn that there are some people still believe in  
>conspiracy theories. Even though if the motivation of Mr. Pattern's 
>proposal is only for British interests, should we reject all reasonable
>political reform proposals made by him? The point is that DO YOU REALLY 
>WANT DEMOCRACY OR NOT. If yes, you need to come out and stand for it. If 
>you really think that Mr. Patten is making use of us for his own 
>political interests, why not we just think that we, the Hong Kong 
>People, are actually using him to speed up the phase of democracy in H.K.?

But how? We did not initiates the political reform.  If we do so, we should
at least ask for the right to select our own GOVERNOR!!

>For those people who still believe in conspiracy theories, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!
>LOOK REALLY WHAT YOU NEED.

>Conspiracy theories may be good for some novels but it is certainly not
							   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> suitable for our real world and OUR FUTURE. WAKE UP!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can you explain it?

>Do you believe that our social wellfare can be improved without a well
> developed democracy system? Or are you just telling the H.K. people to 
>beg Beijing government for better living condition? Without democracy, 
>our "social welfare" will eventually go into someone's pockets --- Beijing
> bureucracy or the businessman in H.K. Without democracy, in 2000, we 
>may be forced to put all our salary to buy patriotic cupons in order 
>to support the Olympic game in Beijing.

In fact, the social welfare in China is better than in HK.  Don't you
think so?   On the other hand, if Pattern wins, I think 99% of the HK's
reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

>We cannot just wait for Beijing government to give us better living 
>conditions, we have to speak for ourselves. Democracy is a mean to do so.

Will there be another way?

>Now, I wonder if the editor of the official "People's Daily" has entered our 
>net.

Sure not.  The first thing you should learn from democracy is to allow
different voices.

K.F. Iu