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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes win the NFC Central!
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:52:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison

In article <1992Dec20.205918.17252@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>The Vikes have just defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers by a score
>of 6-3 at Three Rivers in a game that I'm sure was just as ugly
>as the score would indicate.  Anyone who saw the game, please
>post some impressions/summary.  Congratulations to the Vikes...
>1992 NFC Central Champions!
>
>We're in!!!
>
>Jim
Yes, sigh, the Vikings have won the division, oh well, it would have been a
great game in the Metrodome.  I don't mean to flame the Vikings, they won it
fair and square, but I wish it would have come down to the last game, I think
the Packers would have (will win) won.  Further I would be very surpised if the
Vikings made it past the first game in the playoffs, 6 points in a game in none
to hot, contrast that to the Packers, 28 points in seven minutes!  (Although I
don't like how Holmgrem said, well, we got it, let's just sit on our ass now).
Well, I can still hope for the impossible, go Raiders! go Giants!.  By the way,
if the Redskins win and the Eagles lose (and the Packers win) who goes in a
three way?.  Anyway, there's always next year, the secondary is just getting
better (A LOT BETTER, Buckley 2ints, 1 Td, Cecil 1 int).  The Qb is in place,
we got the WR, we can draft another.  A little better OL, and we're set.
(A rushing DL would be nice too).  Well hat's off to the Vikes, see you next
week!  Payback for week one at least!

-Chris C.

PS Steelers!!!??? you may be my favorite AFC team, but your bums, you owed us!
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From: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Subject: Re: Green Bay Packer Prediction
Summary: yes, but...
Reply-To: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:38:00 GMT

In article <101163@netnews.upenn.edu> yhl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Stallion) writes:
>In article <19921208.123316.100@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:

>>If the Green Bay Packers can beat Houston this weekend, and I believe
>>they will, we, the Packers, will win the division. Mark my words.

>Yeah, but that is a BIG if.  Only way that Packers will win is if 
>Oilers choke it up.  But I don't think that's going to happen.  
> The Oilers are going to destry the Packers like they destroyed DA BEARS!
>
>Stallion

yes, stallion, but the packers destroyed da bears too! green bay 
*can* win the game in houston.  it remains to be seen if they will.

go pack.

tom	pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com
	(CA license plate:  GO PAKRS)

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From: dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle)
Subject: Pitt Vs. Bears
Organization: Computer Science - Bowling Green State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:35:39 GMT

I have not kept up on Bears news as of late.
Do the Bears fans out there have any idea
of how the teams emotions are this week.
I look for a good game.  Steelers need a convincing
win after some narrow wins.  Hopefully Brister will
not make mistakes for the team and they will play
well with Foster carrying the load.

What is the weather report for Chicago area tomorrow?
Any thoughts anyone?

Don
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Can Eagles still win NFC East?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:45:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

It's still possible for the Eagles to win the NFC East. A very longshot, but
still possible. I think Atlanta has a good chance of beating the Cowboys. 
Dallas already lost at home to another NFC West team, the Rams. And maybe
by some miralce the Bears will be so pumped up because it's Singletary's last
game that they'll beat Dallas.

-Teh Kao
From: abdul@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Majothi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Play-off dates
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:09:29 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

Anyone got the play-off and champioship games dates? I know Super Bowl is on
Jan 31st.

Thanks!


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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:18:15 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


If Washington and Green Bay are tied at the end of the season, Washington
wins the tiebreaker according to what I've read.  Green Bay's only hope
is to win the division.

				       Mike
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From: q2dt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Turner)
Subject: Miami/L.A.
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:34:37 GMT

	Haven't heard much in this group about MNF tonight.  Miami vs.
L.A. Raiders at Joe Robbie.   L.A. always plays Miami tough.  Both teams 
traditionally do well on MNF.  Both teams are looking for a playoff spot.
They played in Miami in 1990 on MNF: L.A. 13, Miami 10.  
Any predictions?  Miami has the best offence in the league on paper.  
However, it is in a complete shambles.  Duper and Clayton look like 
school boys out there.  Keith Jackson alternates between trying to do 
too much (e.g. his "fumble" against S.F.) and celebrating three yard 
gains like the winning catch in the Super Bowl.  

	They have not sustained a running game and have badly underused 
Bobby Humphrey.  I have never seen a Miami team show so little concentration 
as individuals (penalties, dropped balls, fumbles) or as a team (losses to 
teams they should beat).  The defence has played better than any Miami defence
except perhaps 1990's since 1982.  (Which may not be saying much.)  This 
is surprising since Offerdahl has played little and their are many young 
players on it (Vincent, Coleman etc.)  It is the high-priced veteran offence 
that has let the team down.  Shula needs to take charge of this team now and
give some people the shit they deserve.  Or this team of I think great  
promise will perhaps not even make the playoffs.  

All opinions encouraged, except for "glorious" ones.  Pun definitely intended, 
JPG.  The only person we have heard more from is the every 10 minutes Redskins 
guy.   

By the way, prediction: Miami 27, L.A. 10.

cjt
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers Wild Card Hopes
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:14:16 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

Actually the peachiest scenario would be if the Vikes beat Steelers this week
(they could considering they'd need it to clinch the Central and Bubby is still
the QB for the Steelers).  I think this would make it easier for the Packers
to win the last two remaining games as the final game would mean less to the
Vikes than to the Pack. Now, I'm NOT saying that Denny Green is the sort of
dude who would hand the game over to the Pack (far from it) but it wouldn't
be as "big" a game if the Vikes lost to the Steelers.

Just pure speculation on my part ...

satish nair
giants (5-11 in '92)


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:42:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.180414.7212@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>If you go by your logic, Dallas gave two away against the Rams and the Skins.
>It all evens out, Ed.  When Dallas beat Washington like a drum at Dallas, I
>took it as evidence that the Boys were winning the division.
If by my logic, which originates from the guy who claimed "Dallas LOST the
game", then Washington shouldn't have lost to Dallas at Dallas, nor at
KC, nor at New Orleans. Afterall, they were the defending champs.  
In other words, the Skins should be 14-0 right now and 2-game ahead of the 
49ers for the #1 seed. Case closed.

See, I didn't invent this logic. Some Cowboy apologist did.

Is this screw-up logic? Bingo, I am sure you guys will say so.

>Last year was a fluke year for Rypien.  
How do you know that the last three months weren't some fluke months for Aikman?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: Physics 101
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:40:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.040939.7878@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
> rs> Rick Schaut
> 
> rs> If the ball goes backward out of the QB's hand, then that hand must have
>     been going backward when the QB lost control of the football.  This isn't
>     rocket science, folks.
> 
>   Have you considered the possibility that the ball was momentarily out of
>   Aikman's hand, as the result of his passing it, and that it and his arm hit
>   the defender at about the same time, driving both arm and ball backwards, 
>   but in insufficiently divergent paths so that it looks like Aikman is bring-
>   ing the ball back after a pump fake, the ball never having left his hand?
> 
>   In any case, since we don't have a reverse angle shot, and I suspect that
>   instant reply would have deferred to the call on the field because what we
>   were able to see was inconclusive, all this debate is rather pointless.
> 
> --
> Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
> strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

This is getting to be about as interesting as analysis of the Zapruder film...

Personally, I can't wait for the discovery of the 'pristine football', the ball
which was / was not thrown by Aikman.

Check frame 273.  In the background, you can barely see a young Troy Aikman 
playing on the Grassy Knoll with the ball still in his hand.  In frame 274, his
hand is moving backward but the ball is still in his hand.  No one paid
attention to this, however, as in the foreground the president's head was being
blown off.

The Cowboys lost.  They admitted it (At least Troy did).

Dallas fans, repeat after me:  MY TEAM LOST.
                               THEY LOST BEFORE.
                               THEY WILL LOSE AGAIN.

Now then, don't you feel better?

Next case...

HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin L. Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER!

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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Greatest team, Bret Favre and Vikes
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:12:49 GMT

In article <BzFAFt.ErG@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:

>IMO, Green deserves the NFC Central after what he has
>done this season.

I disagree.  To my recollection, the Vikings were 8-8 last season, and
considering that the Bears and Lions were contenders a year ago, 8-8
wasn't pathetic.  If they lose the last 4 games of the season, they
deserve nothing, because that is somewhat pathetic, regardless of
the competition.  The difference between these Vikings and the Seahawks
is that the Vikings have proved that they can have great offensive
games versus weak defensive teams.  (Interpret this statement as a
compliment to the Seahawks if you like).

My point is that Green hasn't proven much this year, except that he
has given the Vikings the winning attitude.  Holmgren has managed
the same with the Packers.  The best team (and perhaps the best coach)
will win the Central Division.  GO RAMS!  :-)




-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
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From: djd@agent99.Eng.Sun.COM (Dave Damkoehler - Sun BOS Editor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:49:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: agent99.east.sun.com

In article <1992Dec17.172128.16917@microsoft.com> richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>
>I'll go a step further and paraphrase Dick Shaap who says that, while the
>Packers of the 60s may not have played better football than a select few
>other football teams, there's little doubt that the team which won the
>first Super Bowl was the best _team_ ever to play any professional sport.
>

I, too, watched the Schaap documentary in which he made this
statement. But Schaap didn't limit his declaration to professional
sports; he flatly stated that the 1966 Packers formed the best
*team* ever put together to do anything, including but not limited
to sports. He made this statement in the 80's, by the way, and
was quite familiar with the emerging 49er domination of the NFL.

What honks me off the most about Mr. Lor's characterizations is his
description of the "bush-league 60s." May I remind him that the
opponents faced by Lombardi's group included teams coached by the
likes of Paul Brown, Don Shula, Bud Grant, and George Halas. Bart
Starr was confronted by folks such as Alex Karas, Big Daddy Lipscomb,
Rosey Grier, Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen, and Lamar Lundy. Hornung
and Taylor had to find their way around Dick Butkus, Mike Curtis,
and Sam Huff. Herb Adderly and Willie Wood had to stop legends such
as Paul Warfield, Charlie Taylor, and Mike Ditka from catching passes
thrown by Brodie, Gabriel, Ryan, Meredith, Tittle, Jurgenson, and
Tarkenton. And Nitschke had to run down backs such as Jim Brown.

I'm leaving out more legendary names from the 60s than I'm putting
in. But the point is that second-best NEVER made the cut in the NFL
of the 60s.

Dave
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Vikings + Gannon = Suck! 
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:05:38 GMT

sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz) writes:

>Doesn't this make you wonder that maybe the problem is with the overall
>Offense philosophy. Wilson gets out of there and he throws for 5 TDs.
>I think the Vikings have been doing an excellent job of distroying the
>careers of good QBs. 

Hogwash.  Have you heard that the Vikes have a new coaching staff this 
year?  Wilson had big days when he played for the Vikings.  In fact, Wade
had a huge day when the wildcard Vikes destroyed the omnipotent 9ers in 
the playoffs a few years back (1987 I believe).  Wilson also had 3 300-yard-
plus days against Tampa Bay (the team he just struck for 5 TDs against) when 
was with Minnesota.  Get a grip on the facts please.  A lot of teams have
difficulty getting a person with the right combination of talent, smarts, and
character at quarterback.  Since Tommy Kramer, the Vikings seem to have not 
found the right person.  Coaching may be a problem, but no connection can
be made between Wade Wilson and the current coaches.

John Ganske
Thinking Tommy Kramer in his prime looks pretty good right now

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:30:15 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: fitch@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What is a Packer?
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:05:42 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Okay, this will be a bit general, but it's been a while since I've read
anything about NFL history ...
The Packers were actually a "town team" that began in 1919 as a time (prior to
the NFL's formation) to play other teams around the upper Midwest (one of which
was the Decatur (Illinois) Staleys, a team sponsored by a Decatur car
dealership that later moved to Chicago and beacme the Bears).  Originally
it was sponsored by the Indian Packing Company of Green Bay and played it's
games in a high school football stadium (either Green Bay East or West?).  In
1920, the Packers raised the money (for some reason, I think it was about
$2,000 in 1920) and applied to become a member of the newly formed NFL. Many
teams in the 1920s were from towns in the Midwest (Toldeo, Canton, Duluth,
Chicago (the Bears and the Cardinals) etc. as well as New York, Boston (the Redskins), Baltimore and other East Coast
cities).  Keep in mind that the first team on the West Coast (I think) was in
the 1940s when the Rams moved from Cleveland to Los Angeles.  
Basically, the main reason the Packers asre still around is fan support.  The
team remains the only publicly-held franchise in the NFL (they've come close to
bankruptcy a few times many years ago and issued more stock to raise money). 
The Packers, Bears and Cardinals are the only charter NFL teams remaining.  And
unlike other teams, they enjoy *incredible* fan support from the entire state
of Wisconsin and the Midwest.  Not to mention the fact that the Packers were
the dominant team in the 1960s, when network television really started to pay
attention to pro football.

Hope this answers some questions.  I'm sure others can fill in the blanks.

Ron Fitch
University of Northern Iowa
Still looking for a Packer E-Mail newsletter 
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