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From: jevans2@cc.swarthmore.edu (jevans2@cc.swarthmore.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Who's the best leader?
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:00:37 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

I've posted something here a couple of times, and got a couple of my
friends reading it, now.  Well, these friends and I (they don't post) were
discussing who was the best leader of the X-men, Cyclops or Storm.  I said
Cyclops, they said Storm.  I was wondering if I could get a debate or
response or something going on the Net, so here we go.  Who do you all
think is the best leader?  If you want to throw in other X-books, that's
cool too.  After all, Havok's my favorite character.  Let's get this
dicussion going.  Or not.  Your choice.
From: aj005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hulk get PO'd big time)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable/Stryfe (again, *sigh*)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


	Some people have been saying that if Nathan (Cable and Stryfe) is
Scott and Jean's son, the little tike was raised by Askani.  Remember her. 
She was the person who went to the past to save Nathan from the techno-virus
and raise him to save the future.  Remember what Cable (Stryfe ???) sayed
when he shot Xavier?  "I cable am the man who saved the future."  Just
thought I'd make a point of that.
	One other thing.  Many people have the idea that Askani raised
little man Nate as her son.  Stryfe, though, seems to have been raised
without parents (probably by machines).  Askani was only made of energy (as
thats probably the only way she could have returned to the past without
making a divergent time line).  When she returned to the futrue, it was to
her own grave.  She was on a suicide mission and she new it (for goodness
sakes! she mentioned it a half dozed times).  
	I guess I have another point.  Cable seems to be able to travel
through time via a non dimensional manner.  He doesn't seem to create
alternate time lines.  In fact, the "Professor" can scan the past time
lines.  Stryfe probably created Cable when he "saved" the future.  The
timeline changed (creating two Nathan's)  The Cable we know is a nicer
person who can travel through time without making hundreds of divergent
Cables.  The theory, Cable is so far into the future that it would take a
major change in the timestream to change his destiny and make for him, an
alternate dimension.

	Sounds a bit silly eh?  Well, most of it is.  We will likely see an
end of Stryfe at the end of X-cutioners Song because his self will blend
with Cable now the the timestream of the future is more complete.  I
seriously doubt that the current X-writers follow the mainstream Marvel
method of time travel.

					The Dark Ghost has spoken....

   _____
  |     |
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   | ^ |
    |"|
From: cddukes@c00497-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Graymalkin Bound
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:14:13 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <Bxw3Fr.HDG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
>   According to the Handbook to the Marvel Universe, the location of the
>   X-mansion is 1407 Graymalkin Lane (a street address), Salem Center (a
>   village that actually exists a little north of NYC), Westchester (a 
>   county in New York), New York (a state in the U.S.).
>   So here it is. Now no one will hopefully again post with these weird ideas
>   that the mansion is somewhere in Massachusetts or something equally as
>   weird. 

It has to be asked... has this graymalkin lane fact been run into the ground
yet for the purpose of trying to figure out where Cable and the professor 
came from in the executioner's song?

Chris "the PakRat" Dukes______________________________cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Wolverine 64-->65: is there an issue missing?
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:19:19 GMT

In article <WBE.92Nov16034210@crystal.bbn.com> wbe@bbn.com (Winston Edmond) writes:
>
>   What happened to Wolverine #64 1/2?  :-)  The story was going along fine
>up through the end of issue 64 where it said "TO BE CONTINUED", but there's
>such a big jump from Ferro's island (near Seattle) at the end of #64 to the
>mansion in #65 that I can't help wonder if I missed an issue somewhere.

Erm...bad writing?
I thought exactly the same thing when I first read 65. I had to go back and
reread 64 afterwards - I hadn't even realised that that was the *real*
Silver Fox that Sabertooth had killed! I was surprised to see that she
was really dead (and dismayed - such a cop-out answer, and yet another 
excuse for a few panels of angst which never gets developed - I mean has
Wolvie *really* shown much sign of being cut up over Mariko's death? Not
much, it doesn't seem to have changed him much). I also found it hard
to believe that everyone would have just got up and walked away afterwards
- Wraith returned in 65 but what happened to Maverick? This issue just
reinforced my view of Wolverine (the comic) - occaisonally very good but
let down by bad plotting, a real mixture of good issues and bad issues.
As one of the more expensive Marvel books, I've thought about dropping it
quite a few times recently.

MMike


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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: Claremont Files??
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:56:59 GMT

In article <BxvHGH.Dnv@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>Does anyone have a copy of the Claremont files discussed a month
>or two ago in this newsgroup.  I have a friend that would love to
>read them, but I have not access to them.
>
>Please respond via e-mail with any information.  Thanks.

ugh...I can't believe I'm doing this...

Me too...

(gee, that wasn't so hard...)

Jay (=
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue's eyes (was Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:26:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxxI3q.FLF
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Once again:
>>August Paul Yang and I continue our in-depth discussion:

The rest of you, just shoo away. :-)

>>Yeah, NC intitiated it, which is equally odd because, like I've said, she's
>>never shown the capability to do this in any other appearance.

>*shrug*  I've seen no evidence to state otherwise.  There have been no
>instances that the "chain reaction" didn't work.  Then again it's rare
>that people would link up just so they could absorbed into Rouge.
>Maybe if there was an instance where the X-men needed to act as if they
>were of one mind...

No, that's still unfair, because that's a major boosting of her capabilities,
which should have been shown *before* the big important calamity that she
was capable of doing. Otherwise, it's still too much deus ex machina.

>
>>>August Paul Yang *hates* Jim Lee's writing
>>Careful, August! You're one half the way to the dreaded Dave Position!
>Dreaded Dave Position?  What's that?  And why is it "dreaded"?  I've
>never seen anything the Jim Lee wrote that I like, including
>that idiotic "X-traitor" plot thread he initiated and the very poorly
>executed "Death of Mojo" thingy.  (Doesn't even rate a story in my book)

"Dreaded" because some people on the net have taken some exception to my
joyous and whole-hearted disapproval of Jim Lee's artwork. On the other
hand, if you want to be closely identified with the man who turned down an
engraved invitation to the LNH, go ahead.

>
>August Paul Yang wonder if his stating that he's not too fond of Byrne either
>would cause a reation.

Byrne's art is a wonder. His writing ranges from adequate to professional.

"Bite my fanboy." --Richard Darwin
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Subject: Re: Cast Women for X-Movie
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:02:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.063636.17680@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Jason.H.York@dartmouth.edu (Jason H. York) writes:

: I'm a newbie, so excuse me if I offend in any way.But, reading the
:cast lists, I just had to put my two cents worth in (hopefully it's
:worth more than that.)
:Kitty - Kathy Ireland
:Rogue - Cindy Crawford ( I think she would be better as this character
:vs. Jean)
:Jean/Marvel Girl- Elle ( This is mostly my friend's idea)
:Storm - Grace Jones (There can be no other)
:Dazzler - Michelle Phifer (Did you see her moves in Batman Returns?)
:Psylocke - Tia Carrere? (From Wayne's World- Couldn't think of anybody
:else)
:Ice Queen/Erma Frost - Baywatch Girl (the one that was in Playboy-
:again my friend's idea)

All I want to know is how we can get Molly Ringwald into this :-)

	- Robi
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: More on NAM/Mutants
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:27:44 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Scav sent this to me instead of xbooks, so I'm bouncing it here:

[snip!]

Well actually, Doug Murray (If he was the writer on 'NAM--If not him whoever
was) was on a pannel on Wether Mutants were ruining comics at the Atlanta Con
this summer.  The other pannel members were Claremont, Nicieza, and Byrne was
moderating.

Byrne introduced them as the three people who had been screwed by Marvel, and 
one who was waiting to be screwed by Marvel

----SCAVENGER doesn't know what was said at the pannel, like the Claremont
Files he was told this by a friend.

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[snip!]

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My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Wolverine 65 - Silverfox Dead? (Not quite)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:59:04 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Harumph.



Let's stop and think for just one moment...

Why would Aldo Ferro want to kill one of the very people he had been trying
to emulate the genetic structure of for so long?  It's obvious (and I think
he said at one point) that he wanted to lure them there to speed his genetic
code cracking up a little by studying them directly.  So let's assume Silverfox
is still alive...

What does SHIELD have to gain from somebody like Silverfox who had a very
close connection with HYDRA?  Very much, I'd say.  What does SHIELD have to
gain by keeping Wolvie under control and on their side by faking the cabin
scenes (again) to placate his memories conflict and letting him go on 
believing she is dead? Also very much.


Mike C. a.k.a.  Zen, the Master of the Art of Balance


-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
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From: tsang@cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang)
Subject: Re: Kitty's Age (was: a few more movie cast ideas)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:38:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.023354.779@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.203702.24668@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>>How about Wynona Rider for this part?  Anybody remember her in
>>_Real_Genius_?
>
>Obscure Trivia Lad doesn't.  Obscure Trivia Lad believes that the reason
>he doesn't remember this is because Wynona Rider wasn't in Real Genius.
>You might be either confusing an actress or confusing a movie here.

Probably the actress.

Michelle Meyrink played the part of "Jordan" in _Real_Genius_.

As long as I have the tape out...

"Susan" (the blonde with the "pound a nail" quote) was Deborah Foreman,
and "Sherry Nugil" was played by Patti D'Arbanville...


(Winona Ryder's most famous roles were in _Heathers_, _Beetlejuice_,
_Edward_Scissorhands_ [blonde??], _Mermaids_, and _Dracula_)


>Obscure Trivia Lad also can't picture Wynona Rider as Kitty.  She just
>doesn't seem to fit the part.

She has the "winning smile" and (though I haven't seen Dracula yet)
the innocent appearance down pat... but I'm sure an unknown who's
_perfect_ for the part could easily be found.

Since Kitty's my favorite character (ever since Doug Ramsay was killed
off), I'd rather they went with someone new, so as not to typecast one
way or the other.

Imagine the money they'd have to spend doing Lockheed SFX, though...

-- 
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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Al Milgrom/X-FACTOR
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:23:41 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <70126@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> Having just seen the photocopies of X-Factor #87--
> 
> Joe Quesada's work is superb, and Al Milgrom bashers will be cordially
> invited to eat their words.
> 
> PAD

Much as I hate to point this out, this probably only means Quesada is
so good not even Milgrom can mess him up...

-Drizzt (insert liberal :+)'s)

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From: ss@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WeaponX)
Subject: Wolverine 65
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:13:48 GMT

I thought the story was alright and i reckon silverfox is definitely
dead unless the filler issue were missing showed shes alright and
in hiding. 

Shes dead cos when wolvie was burying her he would have known if it
was the real corpse or not by the smell. Stupid that he was 
blindfolded to the cabin and then is left alone so he can find his
way home. like he wont know where the cabin is when he gets home.
right yeah and moneys may fly outta my butt!



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From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Quicksilver Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:18:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:

>In article <69688@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>I'm sorry.  X-Factor #87 is out in December.  
>>
>>PAD

>Am I missing something...?

Not sure. What are you reading?

			James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Cast Women for X-Movie
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:15:54 GMT

> I'm a newbie, so excuse me if I offend in any way.But, reading the
>cast lists, I just had to put my two cents worth in (hopefully it's
>worth more than that.)
>Kitty - Kathy Ireland
Accckkk! I have a hard enough time picturing Kitty as a 15-16 year old
without having Kathy Ireland play her. Not a chance.

>Rogue - Cindy Crawford ( I think she would be better as this character
>vs. Jean)
Again, no. Julia Roberts or whatshername (I CAN'T Remember!) from Thelma
and Louise>
>Jean/Marvel Girl- Elle ( This is mostly my friend's idea)
Again, no. I would like to have a few people that could conceivably act
and not just go around strking poses all the time. Of course, then they
might be the perfect characters if Jim Lee were involved with the script
;->.

>Storm - Grace Jones (There can be no other)
>Dazzler - Michelle Phifer (Did you see her moves in Batman Returns?)
>Psylocke - Tia Carrere? (From Wayne's World- Couldn't think of anybody
>else)
>Ice Queen/Erma Frost - Baywatch Girl (the one that was in Playboy-
>again my friend's idea)
> 

Again, not a lot of these (with the exception of Michelle Pfieffer)
possess a lot of acting talent. I would prefer to find some one who
could act a little as well as look good. Also, people around the same
age, meaning with the exception of Prof X and Wolverine, no older than
mid 20's.
But I will state that Patrick Stewart is absoulutely perfect for
Charles. Nobody else can do it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arrrgh! I have a paper on dead people due and I'm hear posting! Maybe I
can write about myself at this rate since my prof is going to kill me
soon.

-Craig
From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wolverine 65
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:19:47 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I think the explanation for Wolvie to be left alone at the cabin is simply 
that Wolverine let Fury know that the blindfold was not enough; I'm sure it
takes more than a blindfold to lose Wolverine.

Was is stupid, is from Fury to only blindfold him. I expected more from Earth's greatest spy. But then again he is the guy who goes in spying with a pach and
a SHIELD emblem...

Daniel Roy
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: Re: Rogue's eyes (was Re: XMEN: TAS-load of crap)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:40:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174414.23823@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>
>>>August Paul Yang *hates* Jim Lee's writing
>>Careful, August! You're one half the way to the dreaded Dave Position!
>Dreaded Dave Position?  What's that?  And why is it "dreaded"?  I've

Y'see Paul, Dave hates (maybe dislikes is a better term) Jim Lee's work, both
writing AND art.  Very few people (apparantly) agree with Dave.  I myself like
Jim Lee's art.  I felt he brought a lightness back to the X-Men after the c
creative black hole that was Marc Silvestri.  (Remember Claremont worked on a
synergy system with his artists--an example of the black hole effect, I give
you the Brood boys-ick).  As for writing, Lee's one of the better IMAGE writers.
take that as you will.

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From: edsverk@ed4000-2.lerc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Lee Atchinson)
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie - What To Consider Besides the Cast
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:23:07 GMT

While we are speaking about fantasies (some company making the
X-Men movie is a fantasy) why not plan to make the X-Men not one
movie but "several".  This way the "plausibility problem" addressed
in Martin Phipps's article would be addressed.  If, say a sequence of
4 movies were planned, then the origins of the characters could be
done via "flashbacks" or "fireside stories" throughout the "mini
series".  Also valid villians can be whose history/background can
be developed during the movie.  Think of the X-Men movie like
Star Wars instead of Star Trek.

This is of course wishful thinking.  I also thought that Star Trek
should have as it final movie as one which "ended" the original crew,
said something about Enterprise B & C, then "ends" with D (maybe the
beginning of "the Encounter at Far Point" episode.

I think they should take a good grouping of the current X-Men and do 
not change the story line, powers, etc.  In other words, take some issue 
(say just before Phoenix died on the moon), add or delete a character or 
too, and go from there.  As much as I liked Batman (the movie) and Flash 
(the TV series) I hated how the producers added their own stuff and 
deviated from the comics!

Getting back to the subject, I think Patrick Stewart is the one and only
choice for Professor X.  Maybe the users and readers of USENET should
pool their money together and MAKE our own movie!! 

-- 
Kenneth Lee Atchinson
edsverk@lerc.nasa.gov

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Subject: Cable, Sinister, the universe and everything.
From: <CSTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 15:34:23 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Well I tell Ya. I've been reading through some of the ideas on the net and I
am impressed. You guys are really on the ball. BUT! I've gor some questions tha
t need serious answers.  For instance is Cable's computer really a future versi
on of Prof. X after the virus has totally taken over? Who in all hades is Fitzr
oys pappy? We know his mother has green hair. don't we? We know who did in the
pack. But we don't know how. We also know who killed Rictors pappy too. And the
 Winner is:  Stryfe.  So anyone figure out that Sinister is a high lord? He's g
otta be. He's been around forever. If not a high lord definitley a time hopper.
As for Bishop. (finally a African hero that aint a poop butt. Always crying abo
out what they can't do) Bishop doesn't argue. He acts with decisiveness.
YO Someone suggested a link between Sunspot and Bishop. Nope! Because mutant po
wers don't transfer only the meta-gene for an X-tra ability is transferable.
Yes I know that some of you are going to mention Stryfe and Cable. Fine explain
 where His daddy's powers are. Everyone has certain racial characteristics that
 are genetic. People have red hair or they have the epicanthic fold over the ey
es or their all mixed and matched. So. Bishop may be linked to sunspot but its
not going to wash that he's a relative.  However Bridge is a good choice, simpl
y because he has no mutant power that we know of. That and the fact that Bishop
 looks a lot like Bridge. Liefeld's lack of variation in his art
notwithstanding.    Yo people gotta go. Gimme a line lemme know what ya Think.
Seeya  Kwaame