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From: atp3@muddnext10.cc.columbia.edu (Alexander T Patrick)
Subject: Re: Best team in Europe (Was: Re: WC qualifier: Israel-Sweden)
Reply-To: Anyone
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:30:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.175723.426@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  
(Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund) writes:
> 
> >And to here that from someone from the country that has shown that the
> >German's are _not_ in any way unbeatable! The team Germany showed in 
> >the European Cup this year was not in any way _very_ frightening, and
> >that team was mostly composed of _old_ players.
> 
> What have givin you that impression? Of the team that played in Sweden 
> only Brehme, Vo"ller and Buchwald will be past 30 in 94. The midfield
> was made out of players in the 24-27 years range and is likely to 
> get better in the years to come.

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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Predictions
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:42:59 GMT


Hello there!

As a daily reader and poster of r.s.s. I would like to have some toto-
predictions on the net. For example, the Dutch readers predict the results
of their league for the next round, the Italians for their league, the
Germans for their, ...

The people who -like me- sometimes play in the toto would have an easier
job to predict some foreign games. I mean, people from Italy know more
about injuries and so on, than non-Italians do!

As an introduction, the league predictions for the Dutch league this
weekend:

Ajax             - Willem II        1
PSV              - Dordrecht'90     1 
Den Bosch        - Feyenoord        2
RKC              - Twente          2/X
Cambuur          - Groningen        X
Roda             - Fortuna         1/X

Well, this is all I can remember from the program right now. 

I hope you all will follow my example!

Greetings!

  


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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: World Indoor Championships
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:18:04 GMT

Poland 5   Nigeria 4
Argentina 2  Hong Kong 1
US 8    Russia 3
Spain 6  China 5

Andy B


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From: ahg@daimi.aau.dk (Alf Holten Gaba)
Subject: Re: Predictions
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:08:51 GMT

PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:

>      Hmmm...Very interesting stuff you got there Gerry.
>      However, I say that Celtic will win only by a modest 2-0, Aberdeen will
>win 2-1, Rangers will draw 1-1 and Dundee will lose to Dundee United 1-0.
>      But I don't care, I hope Aberdeen wins!
>      G O  A B E R D E E N
>                                                    Panos Karliotis
>                                                    The only(?)Aberdeen fan in
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                                    the list

NO NO, you are not alone. Ever since I took a trip to Gothenburg to see a 
European Cup-final (EC2 ??), and saw Aberdeen beat my pet-hate Real Madrid,
I have been a fan of Aberdeen. I must admit though that there hasn't been
much to cheer about these last years, but ABERDEEN will return.

      Alf     ahg@daimi.aau.dk
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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Tropical comments
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:24:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <28255@castle.ed.ac.uk> ekjc13@castle.ed.ac.uk (N McLennan) writes:
                                                         
(In the never-ending Celtic v. Rangers debate...)

>I believe Celtic are the better team.
>
>The Arabian Bairn
> 

I really cannot comprehend how people can say this with a straight 
face.  It's very simple really.  The 'better team' is the one that 
wins consistently.  Rangers have won 4 championships in a row, are 
dominating the league, and have a frightening goal differential of
30 goals.  By any objective measurement, they are the best team in 
Scotland, period.

Now, I could see some light in an argument that without Super Ally 
McCoist, Rangers would be a more ordinary team.  It -is- dangerous 
when your scoring attack rests so heavily on one player.  But they
have him, he's healthy, and as long as that remains true, then for 
the forseeable future, any team wanting to topple Rangers from the 
top will have a daunting task ahead of them.

And now, off on a tangent... 

Hey Harin, what was the Ipswich-Nottingham result of 10/31?  I know
Ipswich won, but not the score, nor the scorers.  Can you help?

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From: hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema)
Subject: Mischa (was: Re: English Soccer)
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:24:41 GMT

louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.124017.28174@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

>>I (Mischa, the PSV-fan) will support Ajax (dedicated enemy for PSV-fans)
>>fiercely when they'll play 1.FC Kaiserslautern.                       

>I (Louis, Ajax fan) will support the opponents of PSV under all circumstances.
>And, Mischa, even when it is a German team.............

That is unlikely to happen this year since there is no German team in the 
Champions League. (Remember? Stuttgart knocked out by Leeds Utd. (an ENGLISH
team !))
And I (Eelco, AZ fan) will support any Dutch team in any European Cup tie and
Ajax' opponents under all other circumstances but I don't think anyone reading
the r.s.s. would be interested.

>Did you sleep well last night, Mischa?

I can't say I am pleased with yesterday's results (Feyenoord - Ajax 0-3 & 
Utrecht - PSV 2-0) but these results will probably shut up Mischa for a while.
I'd think.

>Louis

mazzel..
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From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: TURKEY vs. ENGLAND  - Update on Today's World Cup
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:37:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.141115.4851@gvl.unisys.com>, armagan@sassafras
(Armagan Ozdinc) wrote:
> 
> NO SWIMMING THE BOSPHORUS FOR COACH PIONTEK
> 
>     LONDON, Nov 17, Reuter - Coach Sepp Piontek says Turkey
> are no longer Europe's whipping boys and believes they can
> upset England in their World Cup soccer qualifier on
> Wednesday.
>     "We are not a team you just beat anymore. You have to
> play well to win now. The days when it was just a question
> of how many we lose by are finished," said the former Danish
> coach.
>     When Piontek brought Turkey to England 13 months ago for
> a European championship qualifier he promised to swim the
> Bosphorus if they won.
>     They lost 1-0 and this time he's making no similar rash
> promises.
>     "I said I'd swim the Bosphorus because it was
> unrealistic that we would win. Now it would not be
> sensational," he said.
>     "My greatest wish after two and a half years in Turkey
> is that we can get our first goal and first point against
> England. We have had two very good games against England.
>     "They had difficulty winning last time and the day when
> we score and win is coming closer and closer," said Piontek
> whose Danish team were the last to win a competitive
> international at Wembley in 1983.
>     Riza Calimbay the Turkish captain said: "Piontek has
> made us play more as a team, given us confidence and boosted
> our morale and shown us we can measure up to the rest of
> Europe."
>     Piontek was delaying naming his team until Wednesday.
> 

ENGLAND 4 - TURKEY 0

Gascoine (2)
Shearer
Pearce

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From: lamfpn@uts.uni-c.dk (Per Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: offsides question on goal kick
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:37:38 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

In <By30t3.Kv0@encore.com> kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius) writes:

>A linesman in our game the other day told me that a team could NOT
>be offsides on a goal kick.  I was under the impression that you
>could be offsides on any kick, and a goal kick is a direct kick, if
>I remember correctly.  About half our team thought one way and about
>half the other way.  Does any one out there know the specific FIFA
>rule regarding this play and when it was changed if it was, in fact,
>changed?

The linesman is right. You cannot be offside if the ball comes DIRECTLY
from a goal kick (or from a corner kick, a throw-in  or if the referee let
the ball fall to restart the game). I guess that this rule is as old
as the offside rule. At least it belongs to the basic rules you learn
on a referee course.


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Subject: Re: English News: FA Cup results
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:21:14 +0000







In article <13534@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:

>FA CUP First round (summary)

>   Blackpool    1-1  Rochdale *   4,069
>   Bradford C   1-1  Preston NE * 8,553
>   Chester      1-1  Altrincham * 4,033
>   Kingstonian  1-1 Peterbro' *   5,000
>   Lincoln      0-0 Stafford *    3,380
>   Macclesfield 0-0 Chest'field * 3,063
>   Marlow       3-3 Salisbury *     940
>   Scunthorpe   0-0  Hudd'field * 4,312
>   Solihull     2-2  VS Rugby *   1,260

> * - replay on Tuesday, November 24

Yesterday's Observer reports that all replays are on Wednesday 25th, except
for Macclesfield Town v. Chesterfield which is on Tuesday 24th.

FA Cup results yesterday:

Dorking         2  Plymouth Argyle 3   (3500)
Reading         1  Birmingham City 0   (7500)

and Division One results:

Millwall        2  West Ham United 1   (12500)
Sunderland      1  Leicester City  2   (14500)

Finally another Gresley defeat to report, 3-5 at home v. Newport AFC, their
lead is now just 1 point over Evesham United who have played 2 games more.

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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: World Cup Qualifier
Originator: harin@heidi.iti.gov.sg
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute National Computer Board
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:00:55 GMT


The following result arrived too late yesterday for me to post. (There's
a 16 hour time difference between Singapore and the Pacific side of
Canada!)

(All first-named teams played at home)

Concacaf Group B
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Canada   4-2   Bermuda

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Canada		5 2 2 1  9  7  6
El Salvador	4 2 1 1  8  5  5
Jamaica 	4 1 2 1  5  5  4
Bermuda 	5 1 1 3  7 12  3


This result means that BERMUDA have been ELIMINATED since the best possible
position they can achieve in the group is 3rd even if they win their last game
by 99-0.


Remaining fixtures in the group
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

22 Nov	Jamaica - El Salvador
06 Dec	Bermuda - Canada
06 Dec	El Salvador - Jamaica


ps. Many thanks to all those who have sent me encouraging email. Nice to
know that the postings are being read.

Cheers,
	Harin
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From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Topical comments
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:15:47 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <28261@castle.ed.ac.uk>, efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw) writes:
> As for Celtic being packed with quality
> players I reckon two at the most MIGHT get a game for Rangers.



So Hen Broon(McPherson) would keep Mowbray(Adonis) out of your team?
Would Sir Watty play DRobertson before Tom Boyd?
A midfield of McCall, McStay, Durrant and Collins would be a non-starter?
Creaney(even (Ralph) Slater) would not be desirable backup/creative alternative
to the successful McCoist/Hately partnership(MIM have feww alternatives if one
or both get injured or lose form) ?

Lets be realistic, both sides are endowed with quality players.  For fun lets
pick a Celtic/MIM select;-).  The point of this is to prove what a futile
arguement we can get ourselves into. Few will agree with this but....
GORAM
MCNALLY
BOYD
GOUGH
MOWBRAY
MCCALL
DURRANT
MCSTAY
MCCOIST
HATELY
COLLINS
SUBS, CREANEY, STEVEN

Seriously though, a midfield of McCall, McStay, Durrant and Collins would be my
ideal Scotland midfield.  Even if all were fit I doubt if we will see this.
Interestingly,  MIM did try to buy Collins and I have it on very good authority
that Souness and Murray did approach McStay two seasons ago about joining their
work force.  The report that Sir Watty tried again this season was rubbish as
Paul had told them at the previous meeting that there was no chance of him
joining MIM.  Souness has also stated that he would have taken the most
talented Scottish midfielder, McStay, to Liverpool if he had the money and if
there were not the restrictions on playing foreigners.
If I had been manager of Celtic, I would have bought McCall at the begining of
last season.  MIM proved that he was available and they only went for him on
the departure of Stevens to Marseille so Celtic passed up a chance yet again.

Chris
don't be too upset Scott et al ;-)
Celtic players in MIM shirts, would you believe it?
Not for a MO. ;-)
From: laudw@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr D R Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Cloughie for England Manager?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:58:24 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Cloughie for England ?? nahhh ! he's going senile..bottom of the table,
he lost Darren Wassal to the wonderful DERBY,still has'nt replaced
teddy sherringham,and has brought back Neil Webb one of the fattest
bastards in league football !!!

Ian..your...

going down..going down...going down.....

DH.
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:54:53 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Nov20.195539.21942@sequent.com>, jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.171514.21265@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
> > Let me say first off, I agree with everything Marcus said. Good article...
> >
> >In article <1992Nov20.143012.17237@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI
> >(Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> >|>---
> >|>Off the top of my hat and listed in no particular order:
> >|>
> >|>1) "Soccer is a dull game where a goalless draw is the most common result."
> >|>(Admittedly, 2.5-3.0 goals per game isn't that good but still better than
> 
> What are you on? If you want scores like 100-90, go and watch basketball. I'd
> rather see a quality game that ends in 0-0 rather than an average game that
> ends with 10 goals. The reason I enjoy football is "the football", not slam
> dunking meaningless goals in every minute. This may be part of the reason
> that football never really gets foothold in the US. There aren't enough
> statistics for them to collect...watch an American football game on TV
> for details.

Nobody objects to a well-played game which results in a low score.
However, many people do object to games in which the participants
get in to a defensive 'shell' and play for a tie. If a game results
in a tie in spite of the fact that both teams play hard in trying
to achieve a win, great. However, many times both teams kick the
ball around in the mid-field area because they simply want to
*not lose*, rather than to *win*.  This often results in the
0-0 or 1-1 games. It is my opinion that many people say they object
to low scoring games, but they themselves are missing the point.
They are actually objecting to teams which don't have the will to
win.

I am a citizen of the United States and happen to like baseball
very much. Whether others reading this do or do not like baseball
is beside the point. But, I will point out that baseball is an
extremely popular, low scoring game. People who understand the game
love a low-scoring, well-played game. In fact, high-scoring games
often mean the game was not played well, with many fielding errors,
and knowledgeable people find this frustrating. But, a baseball
game is *never* played for a tie, because the game cannot end until
a winner is determined. Unfortunately, football (soccer) is often
played with the intent of achieving a tie. This is *not* my
definition of excellance.
-- 
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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: World Youth Cup Draw
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:51:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.111722.29528@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie) writes:
> 	Group 3 (Held in Adelaide)
> 
> 1. Mexico
> 2. Norway
> 3. Brazil
> 4. Saudi Arabia
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	The current world champions.......they won the 1989 tournament
which was held in Scotland by beating Scotland  on penalty kicks.  Scotland
took a 2-0 lead before tiredness allowed Saudi Arabia to level the game
and win on penalties.  However closer inspection of the Saudis shows that
they were all a lot older than 16 and their superior fitness and strength
helped them through.  Most of them had beards and moustaches...at 16 !

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From: 975villar@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spanish Div.2 League
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:42:43 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1460100004@igc.apc.org>, Eugene McElroy <emcelroy@igc.apc.org> writes:
> 
> question: if real madrid b or barcelona b win the second division, do they gain promotion to the first divsion? also how are the usa players in spain doing?
> 

	Bilbao Athletic is also like Athletic de Bilbao B, and some years ago
they won the 2nd division league, but they weren't allow to play in the 1st
division.  So that is what would happen to Real Madrid B and FC Barcelona B.
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Subject: FA Cup 2nd Round Draw
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:32:55 +0000

FA Challenge Cup Second Round Draw

Bradford City
or Preston North End    v. Scunthorpe United or Huddersfield Town
Accrington Stanley      v. Crewe Alexandra
Wigan Athletic          v. Bury
Bolton Wanderers        v. Blackpool or Rochdale
Chester City
or Altrincham           v. Stoke City or Port Vale
Macclesfield Town
or Chesterfield         v. Stockport County
Burnley                 v. Shrewsbury Town
Rotherham United        v. Hull City
Marine                  v. Lincoln City or Stafford Rangers
Hartlepool United       v. Southport
Wycombe Wanderers       v. West Bromwich Albion
Exeter City             v. Swansea City
Plymouth Argyle         v. Kingstonian or Peterborough United
Bath City               v. Northampton Town
Brighton & Hove Albion  v. Woking
Solihull Borough
or VS Rugby             v. Marlow or Salisbury
Yeovil Town             v. Hereford United
Gillingham              v. Colchester United
Cheltenham Town         v. AFC Bournemouth or Barnet
Reading                 v. Leyton Orient

Ties to be played weekend of December 5th.

Reading v. Leyton Orient is live on BSkyB on Saturday evening.
Wycombe Wanderers v. West Bromwich Albion is live on BSkyB on Sunday afternoon.
Accrington Stanley v. Crewe Alexandra will be played at Blackburn Rovers.

This is the last round in which the draw is made on a regional basis.

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