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From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:11:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.151053.274@weyrich.UUCP> tnet.com!weyrich!orville writes:
>Any argument that giving more vacation would reduce unemployment is 
>based directly on the premise that it would increase the headcount, and
>hence it follows that it would increase the taxes the companiues would
>have to pay.

Currently, employers have incentives to increase overtime for existing
workers rather than hiring new people.  This is contributing to the
continued high unemployment of the 1990/91 recession.  Given political
will, it would be a simple matter to change this: wage and hour
legislation (1) restricting the somewhat bogus category of "exempt"
employee and (2) increasing statutory overtime from time and a half to
some higher rate, time and three-quarters for example.

Of course, business (or rather their political flaks) will raise the cry
that this will "create unemployment", which is in this context less a
scientific prediction than a sort of hostage-taking threat that if
social legislation is passed, the business class will destroy the
economy.
>>
>
>NOT!
>
>If I wanted to live in a European country I would move to Europe. If I had

NOT yourself.  The EEC would not make it easy for you to work in Europe.
Let's bag these microeconomic fairy tales which give the worker absolute
freedom to move where the jobs are when in fact there are countless
factors that tie most workers to one geographical location, factors that
make it a cruelty for a company to blithely relocate to Outer Thule.

>a month of vacation I would look for another job. I would NOT spend my month

Well, the fact that you're a dull chap who does not know how to have a
good time is not, in itself, an argument.

>paying some tourist trap my hard-earned money so that I could "vacation."

I spent my vacation on Outward Bound.  Outward Bound, and camping in
general, is to be recommended if you want to save money.  I deducted the
money I would have spent walking around from my Outward Bound fee, since
they provide all food and camping gear in a single all-inclusive fee.
Club Med might be the same way for people who'd rather lie on a beach
than rappell down a cliff.  

Other folks might spend their vacation building a home, taking care of
their kids, or in volunteer work to help the environment.  Point is that
spending your vacation at Disney World is only one way of spending your
vacation, and that to "deconstruct work" means to see that your REAL
work might be done on vacation.  I certainly learned a lot about working
in groups, teamwork, and leadership during my Outward Bound vacation.



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Electrical/Electronics job/career info
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:45:33 GMT

I've been reading an electronics book to try and refresh my
knowledge in that area. The first chapter lists a bunch of
addresses related to the electronics/electrical fields for
further job/career info. Just thought someone may be able to
use one.
tj(no affiliation with the groups below)
-------------------- cut here ---------------------

Electrical Engineering:
----------------------
Institute of Electrical Engineering
1111 19th St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20036

Electric Utilities
------------------
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
1125 15th St., N.W.
Washington, DC 20005

Utility Workers Union of America
815 16th St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20006

Telephone Industry
------------------
Telecommunications International Union
P.O. Box 5462
Hamden, CT  06518

U.S. Independent Telephone Association
1801 K St., N.W., Suite 1201
Washington, DC 20006

TV, Radio and Appliance Repair
------------------------------
EIA
2001 I St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20006

Broadcast Industry
------------------
National Association of Broadcasters
1771 N St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20036

Federal Communications Commission
Policy Analysis Branch
1919 M St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20554

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: magras@cps.msu.edu (Mr. Jean-Claude Magras)
Subject: Foreign Languages, usefulness and levels of qualification
Originator: magras@eel.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Anarchy Committee
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:05:51 GMT


Hello Newsreaders,

I have been trying to teach myself the Russian language using a tape and
two books plus some flashcards. I was wondering about the following...

o Possible ways to setup such things as mutual tutorings in English and
  Russian.

o Are there any credential granting organizations for competentcy in a
  foreign language out there? What is their address? Affiliations?

o I have a degree in Computer Science, what companies would be most 
  interested in this combination of skills? My minor courses included
  Political Science and Accounting/Economics. (PLEASE don't include the
  Intelligence gathering slime and the Defense industry.)

o Does anybody know of X Window compatible Cyrillic fonts? Editors
  compatible with them? I think the InterViews package supports such
  things (I saw it able to handle Japanese--a much tougher language)
  but I have found the documentation at Interviews.Stanford.edu to
  be vague and too general. It only gives the simplest of example
  programs--I'm especially looking for information on the handling of
  keyboard input.

I'll be honest with you people, after nearly 14 months of post-degree
unemployment, I'm working near fulltime at Burger King and I hate it.
Yes, its money in my pocket but I feel my brain is being broiled along
with the burgers and everythingelse. Some of my grades in school in
computer science were 1.0 (2 cases) and 1.5's but one of those had a
3.5 for a Final Exam grade and I got 2 3.0's (Operating Systems & System
Software Development) and a 4.0 (Fortran--not in my degree program).
I got more consistent grades in ACC 230 (3.5), Political Science (3 3.0's,
3.5's and maybe a 4.0) and Economics (consistent but slightly lower).
I, however, still love to program. In the 14 months, have taught myself
C++, Berkely sockets, written an LZW decomppressor with variable size
codes and am now in the middle of writting a Kermit file transfer
implementation having done a vt-100 terminal emulator. This Kermit
will have full fledged Long packets and a server mode.

Suggestions on how to leverage this into something more fufilling than
burgers and more well paying than $4.50/hour are wanted.

Sincerely,

J.C. Magras

 magras@cps.msu.edu. | 517 337 2267 | 1736 Burcham Dr., E. Lansing, MI 48823
From: jmaddox@mistxt.oc.com (John Maddox)
Subject: Opinions/Experiences sought / AGS - NYNEX
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:18:48 GMT

To those who have worked for or are still working for AGS

I am interested in learning more about AGS (the subsidiary of NYNEX)...
Things you liked about them, things you disliked about them, etc.

I'm also curious as to the differences you've noticed consulting for AGS
as opposed to being a direct employee...

Post if you like, but please email me as my chances to read 
this newsgroup are very infrequent! :-(


Thanks in advance!!!

JM
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: morss@ssd.kodak.com (Charlie Morss)
Subject: Foreign Employment for US citizens (where to look?)
Organization: Self
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:12:20 GMT


I guess the subject line says it all. I'm interested in 
working in a foreign country for 2-3 yrs or maybe longer. 

Working for a US company on an overseas assignment would 
be ideal, but working for an overseas company would also
be fine. 

The job listings in misc.jobs.offered are mostly for US
companies. Are there any good references (trade journals,
etc) which may help me out?

Also, how does it work being a US citizen and working 
overseas? Does each country handle it differently?

Any ideas or suggestions (or warnings)?


Thanks in advance,

Charlie Morss


P.S. I apologize if this is not posted to the correct group,
	 it seemed like the logical place.  
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From: reddy@seas.smu.edu (N. Urimindi)
Subject: ***NEED YOUR HELP*******
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:27:54 GMT

Dear netters,
             could any knowledgeble soul mail me a list of head hunters in the area of Electrical Engineering. It would be great if you can let me know the information about headhunters in the following sub-areas of Electrical Engineering.
         	1. Fiber Optics Communication systems
		2.Integrated optics
		3.Microwave/millimeter wave systems.
		4.Lasers 
		5.Electromagnetics
		6.Electronic circuits.

I have strong background in the above areas and would like to work for a decent company. BTW, I will be graduating in May 92 with a Ph.D in EE. I don't mind
taking up a job at any time.

All the experienced engineers/hiring managers/knowledgeble netters please help me in my search for a good position.

You may mail your responses to the following address directly. Please don't post it in this news group.

My email address: reddy@smunews.seas.smu.edu (OR)
                  E5BR0016@SMUVM1.BITNET

Thank you all in advance for your help.

Reddy.
From: anselmo@nic.near.net (Ed Anselmo)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: RELOCATION:  Do companies still provide it?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 10:35:04 -0400
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.near.net
In-reply-to: gwf@sapphire.bellcore.com's message of 1 Sep 92 12:56:39 GMT

In article <gwf.715352199@sapphire> gwf@sapphire.bellcore.com (George W. Fleming) writes:

   Does anyone know whether companies looking to hire people are really cutting
   back relocation budgets?  One of my head-hunters recently told me that 
   most companies are looking to cut back relocation costs (i.e. instead of 
   moving companies, they might ask you to U-haul it yourself).  Furthermore,
   he told me that no one is paying for buying and selling of homes.  Is this
   true?  Perhaps only the good companies still provide the full relocation 
   package?

One of the organizations with whom I recently interviewed offered a
relocation package of up to 50% of your first year's salary; this
covered things like moving expenses, temporary housing for you and
your family, closing costs on your old residence, rent differential.
This struck me as somewhat out of the ordinary.

Another offered a pack-move-unpack + $1000 miscellaneous expenses
relocation package.

So yes, there are still companies offering relocation packages....
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for new career
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:46:26 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Aug24.092654.1@wizard.colorado.edu> smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>
     [lines deleted...]
>
>	Maybe some of you can help me.  I am a people-person stuck in a 
>paper job.  I enjoy the university I work for, the department and the 
>people, but I need people interaction.  I need out of this department!
>Reading the classifieds just isn't doing it.  And misc.jobs.resumes seems to 
>concentrate on the technical and computer jobs not people work.  
>
    Whats your background?  SOME of the techie jobs are for service,
    sales, and systems engineering personnel....and "people person"
    skills are equally important as technical qualifications in all
    of those fields.

    Actually its hard to get anywhere as a techie anymore without
    also being a people person....for good reason...
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sonic@romulus.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: Re: Need Advice/CS major w/ bad grades
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:20:31 CDT


In article <90750003@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com>, sandya@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Sandy A) writes:
> > I am thinking of becoming a technical writter.
> 
> Does anyone else find this sentence pretty funny?
> 

With the various types of keyboards on the market and varying quality
thereof, no.  I miss a lot of extra letters added to my posts as well....

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HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
I'd rather be in a coma.........
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu
Subject: Taking the plunge
Organization: UMS
Date: 31 AUG 92 08:33:26 MST


Sorry about that last post everyone... Monday Morning coffee just didn't kick in yet!

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions in pointing me to a new career.....
 I've sent out a handful of resumes and got one very interesting reply from
a publishing company.  I need to find out more about this company, is there a
publishing network I can contact?

Also, I send my resume to 10 different departments on campus, with a hand
written letter explaining my situation (people-person in a paper job) and
asked that they keep me in mind if they are thinking to hire someone in the
near future.

I have spoken to the personnel department and asked that they keep me in mind for a transfer.  I am so very certain that the job I desire is out there just
waiting for me.  In the mean time, I sit around with little to do and think
about what a sham I am being here and hating it.

So, how many of you LIKE/LOVE your job so much that you would do it even if
you weren't getting paid?  Just a little survey.

Thanks again....... Meg

P.S. Please continue with any and all helpful suggestions.
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Headhunter  Employment Agency ?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:48:11 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Sep2.205530.1765@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, pettengi@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov (James B. Pettengill) writes:
|> Many responses questioned whether my
|> wife talked to a Headhunter or an
|> Employment Agency. I honestly don't
|> know the difference. Can someone help me out?

A headhunter, more properly called a recruiter, is one who gets hired
by an employer to find an employee.
An employment agency, also known as a placement agency, is paid by an
eployee to find an employer.

The first class are usually respectable. They get hired by big firms
(that don't mind spending money that way) and if they're incompetent,
they won't get any business ; and if they're fraudulent, they'll get
lawsuits.
The second class, being employed by desperate people, is more easily
seen as a collection of con men, scam artists, and plain incompetents.
Their clients are in no position to argue. There may be honest and
competent ones. Like second-hand car salesmen.

Note that many recruiting firms can act as placement firms. Once they
get hold of your resume (when you apply for a position they advertise),
they can use it (with or without your permission) to get you another
job. The advantages and disadvantages of this have been discussed here
before ; the big difference with the placement firms is that the
latter will want a fee from *you*. 

In your wife's situation, it won't hurt if she calls recruitment firms
to ask if they trade in her kind of employment ; I've never known a
recruiter to refuse a resume, although you don't have to believe them
if they make optimistic noises.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
From: sjw@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Sandra J Wald)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Virginia job groups
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:19:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: sjw@convex.csd.uwm.edu

Does anyone know how I can subscribe to any Virginia job news groups?
Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Sandra
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sjw@convex.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Foreign Languages, usefulness and levels of qualification
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:31:33 GMT

In article <9DP9PB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga) writes:
>magras@cps.msu.edu (Mr. Jean-Claude Magras) writes:
>
>> 
>> Hello Newsreaders,
>> 
>> I have been trying to teach myself the Russian language using a tape and
>> two books plus some flashcards. I was wondering about the following...
>> 
>> o Possible ways to setup such things as mutual tutorings in English and
>>   Russian.
>
>Learn Russian if you like it, but it ISN'T AT ALL useful!  Nobody cares 
>if you know it and most of the companies who do business in the former 
>USSR hire emigrees.  My undergraduate was in Soviet Studies and I'm 
>fluent in Russian. I went and got a Masters in Computer Science and 
>am having better luck with that!

DITTO for Asian languages.  I and several of my friends are Anglos who are
fluent in Japanese/Chinese and have technical degrees.  It has neither
helped or hurt in finding jobs.  In our highly multicultural society and
even more multicultural university system, there are more than enough
emigrees who can speaker the language better.
On the other hand, being multi-lingual opens up fullfilling travel and
educational opportunities, even if it doesn't bring home the bacon.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: ccollins@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Charles Collins)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: MTW (Dallas-Ft. Worth) Info
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:28:18 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens


Please let me know of your experience (good or bad) with a
Dallas-FT. Worth company (MTW).  They call themselves a staff
acquisition company.  They have four types of employment:
1.  Permanent employees who are assigned to clients and are
moved around.
2. Hourly employees, who are hired for a short term project and
then dismissed.
3. Contract hire.  They claim that 90% are hired by the company
contracted for after a 6-12 contract period.
4. Licensed and bonded employment agency.

Thank you.

Charlie

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Internet: ccollins@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
CompuServe: 71033.3153
Voice: <614> 594-2600
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dp@natinst.com (Debapriya Ray)
Subject: Appln software Vs. System software
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:47:32 GMT

Hi folks !

	I am interested in knowing the prospects of a career in system-level
software (device drivers/internals of any OS) versus application software
(working on X/Motif/C++/Databases). Which one will be more lucrative ?
Which one provides more opportunities for growth/employment ?

	Thanks, DP

email: dp@natinst.com

 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: Headhunters? (reposted)
Keywords: Looking for headhunters
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:47:11 GMT

Hello, again.  Sorry for reposting this, but my system just crashed about
a quarter of its home directories (and their backups -- would you believe
it?!), and I lost (along with most of my last three-weeks' work) the
responses to my original posting.  So, I dug the original post out of my
news program (inserted below), and ask any who responded before (and anyone
else!) to please re-send your responses (ESPECIALLY whoever started sending
me info about SF Bay area headhunters!).

Thank you.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Greetings!  I know I've seen this asked before here, but if there were any
 posted responses, we've missed them.  (We only read this group sporadically.)

 I know a group of people here looking for jobs.  If anyone out there knows
 anything about headhunters:
     who they are, how to contact them, what they'll do, etc.,
     - especially (though not neccesarily) for technical positions,
     - especially (though not necessarily) in California,
 please send me email about them.

 Also, any headhunters reading this are invited to respond.  (Advertise
 yourselves!)

 Thanks.

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BTW, I also have a couple people looking for Techincal Writer positions,
especially without requiring specific TW-employment experience.

Thanks again.
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: cjb@canopus.Stanford.EDU (Cecil Bloch)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Reply-To: cjb@vega.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:19:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.141150.27657@Princeton.EDU>  
egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.151053.274@weyrich.UUCP> tnet.com!weyrich!orville  
writes:

> >If I wanted to live in a European country I would move to Europe. 
> 
> NOT yourself.  The EEC would not make it easy for you to work in Europe.

Yes, absolutely!  It took me several years and close to $8,000 (in  
1979-1981 dollars) in travel costs, legal fees etc. to make the move from  
England to the US _legally_, and as I am increasingly dismayed by what is  
happening in the US I have started investigating what it would take to  
move to Europe, and I can tell you that it is NOT EASY, even if one has  
skills that are in demand.

> >a month of vacation I would look for another job.
> 
> Well, the fact that you're a dull chap who does not know how to have a
> good time is not, in itself, an argument.
>
> >paying some tourist trap my hard-earned money so that I could  
"vacation."
> 
> Other folks might spend their vacation building a home, taking care of
> their kids, or in volunteer work to help the environment.  Point is that
> spending your vacation at Disney World is only one way of spending your
> vacation,
> 

Ed, I like you.  Paying "hard-earned money" to a "tourist trap" is silly  
even if you have a mere week's vacation -- that's a function of savvy not  
elapsed time.  The hidden implication is that vacation is all a trite and  
trivial waste of time and money and that work qua job is the only  
legitimate and worthy use of one's alloted years.  I am less interested in  
some of Mr. Weyrich's assertions that in the harsh and venemous tone of  
his posting.  Why does he react with such vitriol to the notion of  
spending time on pursuits other than his immediate job?  It's a view of  
life and people I find inhumane and quite fanatical in its myopia.  Apart  
from building (or improving, or finding) a home, spending time with  
family, etc. you could add furthering one's education, regaining one's  
perspective, becoming involved in any one of innumerable societies &  
organizations according to one's inclinations.  Mr. Weyrich's is an  
extraordinarily impoverished and desiccated view of a person's  
relationship to his or her immediate society, let alone the world at  
large.  What ever happened to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of  
happiness"?
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