HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:55:30 CST
Reply-To:     David Nasser <NASSER@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
From:         David Nasser <NASSER@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      re: FTP Transport: Thanx, etc.
              9 Nov 1992 11:53:00 PT from <jack.hamilton@AMAIL.A MDAHL.COM>

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:53:00 PT <jack.hamilton@AMAIL.AMDAHL.COM> said:
>David Nasser (nasser@umslvma.bitnet) wrote:
>>
>> The _good_ news is that it worked. Due to a lack of compatible tape
>> drives, the only (serious) alternative was to download what turned out to be
>> about 20 mb to floppy disks (Cringe!).
>
>I think there would be a market for a floppy-disk drive for mainframes -
>something which would allow you to use JCL like:
>
>   //OUTPUT DD DISP=NEW,UNIT=HDFLOP,DSN=MYDATA.TXT
>
>and would write your file to a floppy (or floppies), automatically labelling
>each one.
>
Didn't I hear that its *not really practical* to connect (so much as)
a CD-ROM to the Big Box? What about 4mm, 8mm DAT? I don't expect to
see sny of this anytime soon. But you were pulling my leg, eh? eh?

>> The _not-so-good_ news is that it was sloooooooooow. Transfer rate
>> averaged about 1 kb/sec. Terminal session on (dialed-in) PC was
>> dedicated to FTP for perhaps 5 hours. Anybody ever heard of running
>> FTP in MVS batch??
>
>Yes.  IBM's ftp for MVS supports it.  It's documented in "IBM TCP/IP V2R2 for
>MVS: User's Guide", SC31-6088-01.  Basically, you have a batch step PGM=FTP
>withan INPUT DD pointing to the commands and an OUTPUT DD pointer to a printer
>or print file.
>

I had difficulty getting info on this from the local *data center* folk.
They recommend: //  EXEC IKJEFT01 , and, so long as it works, I'm
agonna run it!

  Naztrovya,
  David

David Nasser                              NASSER@UMSLVMA
St. Louis, Mo                             NASSER@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
From: DRH4@psuvm.psu.edu (Daryl R. Hoffman)
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Subject: Re: Simple Update Request - Reply
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:25:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State University



  Not sure if SAS 6.07 still has the same 'bug' as SAS 6.06 did, but we had
to use MERGE instead of UPDATE to do the update correctly in SAS 6.06.  We
have never tried to use UPDATE after this 'feature' was reported to SAS and
we have never received a reply from SI on this one.

  So try and do a match merge to do what you want the program to do.


   MERGE A(IN=IN1)  B(IN=IN2);
     BY variable common to both;

    IF IN1 and IN2 then ...;

     else ...;

Daryl R. Hoffman              The Pennsylvania State University
Bitnet:   DRH4@PSUVM.BITNET   The Center for Academic Computing
Internet: DRH4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU  Sr. Appl Prog/Anal, Resource Administration
Office: (814) 865-0845        Fax: (814) 863-7049
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:03:49 EST
Reply-To:     William Kahn <71020.1025@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         William Kahn <71020.1025@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Bcc: Blind Recipients List:;
Subject: Conjoint Experts

I have wondered how to do optimal design with comparisons comparisons.

Scenerio:  3 factors: A (5 level class)
                      B (price:continuous, linear and quadratic)
                      C (2 level class)
10 possible products we can build (5x2), price to be determined.
We want to know which product is most likely to be bought.
We have a random sample of 17 people from an identified population of
potential purchasers we can test.

We want a design where triples of possible products are presented, and the
subject ranks the three items.  We presume that if the products are
identical, except for price, the lower priced object will be prefered (I
suppose it would be, but perhaps there would be times when people would
actually prefer to spend more?  another discussion there).

Each subject can rank 10 triples before tiring out.

Question:  How do we choose an optimal set of triples for each subject?
Seems like each subject should not necessarily be ranking the same triples.

Joe S. perhaps suggests that optex may be be useful for this design.  I
don't see how.  It is clear to me that 170 triples rankings should be able
to give me information on how to balance product design vs. price, and
should give me a measure of between subject and within subject variability.
I have no idea how to do this design.  Don't know how to analyze either.

There is a PC program called Best Choice which does part of this via a
proprietary algorithm.  No stochastic measures of its estimates though.

Is Conjoint Analysis what I need to study?

Thanks

William Kahn
W. L. Gore and Associates
71020.1025@compuserve.com
From: AFDGF@ALASKA.BITNET (DENNIS G FISHER)
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Subject: vms
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:08:53 GMT
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I have had several responses to my post about not being able to
run a job on vms 6.06 but being able to run it on 6.07.  The
job was reading a sasdataset and format library.  The dataset
was 750 variables by 450 observations.  The format library and
dataset had been created in 6.06.  The responses that I got to
my post was that I did not have sufficient resource quotas on
my account.  Let me assure you that my quotas had been set to
the max that my system manager could go.  Also my system manager
ran the same job on his account which had all the resources of the
system and it bombed exactly in the same way.  It also bombed when
the statewide technical support person ran the job on 6.06.  The
job ran just fine when all three of us used 6.07.  We have now
tried it on other accounts that have much smaller quotas and the
job works fine if we set the default to 6.07.  It bombs on 6.06.
I still maintain that vms users need to be very aware of what
version they are running on and that 6.06 is very different in
than 6.07.  Good luck to all vms users.
Dennis Fisher
Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies
University of Alaska Anchorage.
From: DRH4@psuvm.psu.edu (Daryl R. Hoffman)
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Subject: Segment messages on VM/ESA
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:14:09 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


  We are running with CMS 8(VM/ESA 1.1) with SAS 6.07.  We use the option
SSEG in the SYSPROF SAS to take advantage of the DCSS's to speed up the SAS
program execution and start up time.  The problem is that we keep receiving
error messages from SAS about a 'SEGMENT not RESERVED ... in use' or 'SEGMENT
not RESERVED .. ALREADY RESERVED' when the SAS program exits.

  I have traced the problem the the Institute supplied SASV6 module.  Is there
anyone out there that has solved the problem of the messages ?  Is there a
way to 'turn the messages off' without simply using the CP command 'SP CON
START NOTERM' ?

  Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.  I know that the option
NOSSEG would get rid of the messages, but it would also require loading the
SAS system modules from disk rather than already having them in memory for
execution.


Daryl R. Hoffman              The Pennsylvania State University
Bitnet:   DRH4@PSUVM.BITNET   The Center for Academic Computing
Internet: DRH4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU  Sr. Appl Prog/Anal, Resource Administration
Office: (814) 865-0845        Fax: (814) 863-7049
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:24:00 EST
Reply-To:     Sigurdur R Saemundsson <SIGGI@UNC.BITNET>
From:         Sigurdur R Saemundsson <SIGGI@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Conversion of SAS files to spreadsheet files.

Hi fellow subscribers.

I seem to remember that there was a discussion, not so long ago, on
how to convert SAS files to spreadsheet files. My problem, specifically,
is to get a PC-SAS file into EXCEL. Can anyone fill me in on this?
Do I really need some extra software?

Thanks in advance,  Siggi.
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Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:17:23 MST
Reply-To:     Gwen Wiser <ISSGXW@VM.BYU.EDU>
From:         Gwen Wiser <ISSGXW@VM.BYU.EDU>
Subject:      Window License Fee Schedule

Looks like the pricing for SAS Windows has been decided and will the
same as OS/2.  I just received a 1993 SAS License Fee Schedule
(Academic Computing Customers) for "The SAS System for Personal
Computers under OS/2 or Windows".  Too bad ............

The fees look the same as the 1992 OS/2 fees.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:58:00 EST
Reply-To:     NJMS@NCSUMVS.BITNET
From:         NJMS@NCSUMVS.BITNET
Subject:      Print v607 graph from MVS to postscript printer

I am trying to print a graph, generated in SAS v6.07 on MVS
to a postscript printer located remotley. I have no trouble in
versions 5.18 and 6.06, but am having no luck in version 6.07.
If any of you have successfully printed a postsricpt plot from MF v6.07
I would love to know what goptions etc. you used.
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:54:00 PST
Reply-To:     Thomas M Skinner <Thomas_M_Skinner@CCM.HF.INTEL.COM>
From:         Thomas M Skinner <Thomas_M_Skinner@CCM.HF.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: SUGI Consultants Registry, SUGI 17 listing needed
Comments: To: SAS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

                                                Folsom, California
                                                Sunny, Clear Skies,
                                                High of 75
                                                Nov. 5, 1992


  Dear SAS-Lers,

  I am writing on behalf of the Corporate Information Services organization of
  the Intel Corporation.  We are currently compiling a list of likely suspects
  who go by the name of SAS consultants/contractors for the purpose of gainful
  employment.

  We are a large SAS shop with a need for contract programmers in such cities as
  Portland, Oregon; Chandler, Arizona; Folsom, and Santa Clara, California; as
  well as others.  We have a need for persons with experience in transitioning
  from release 5.18 and 6.06 to 6.07, and/or 6.08.  As you may have heard, out
  corporate strategy is to downsize to MS SQL/SERVER utilizing SYBASE as the
  RDBMS, and SAS for Windows is one of the end-user tools we will be using. At
  this time however, we are interested in persons with Mainframe (IBM MVS/ESA)
  as well as windows experience.  We have a particular need for folks
  experienced in SAS/AF and SCL as well as intensive data step programming.

  I recall seeing a bound publication listing the Consultants Registry for SUGI
  16, and am very interested in locating the same for SUGI 17.  Can anyone out
  there help us out?

  As an aside, I am aware that the CR is maintained in SAS dataset format, as
  evidenced by the Information KIOSK available at SUGI conferences, and was
  wondering if SUGI could provide interactive access to such a system online
  year-round for the purpose of updating info and conducting searches such as
  ours.  Or perhaps SUGI might sell a disk with such info. Others interested in
  developing and sharing such a resource should reply directly to the addresses
  below.  Perhaps the Consultants SAS User Group can help out on this.

  Intel-Insider,
  Tom Skinner

  ===========================================================================
  T.M. Skinner                    Internet: Thomas_M_Skinner@ccm.hf.intel.com
  Sr. SAS Technical Support           Mail: 1900 Prairie City Rd. MS FM1-102
  Intel Corporation                         Folsom, CA 95630
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:12:13 PST
Reply-To:     TWB2%RatesRDS%FAR@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
From:         TWB2%RatesRDS%FAR@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      Mainframe to PC

First, I said I would track down the name of our mainframe to PC gateway which
runs on a Sun server.  This is the MVS JCL which invokes it.  I do not know
the program name or the vendor.
000008 //STEP1   EXEC PGM=FTPK80,TIME=(,28),
000009 // PARM='110 -D "M:/GPL4:DIABLO.CSV:TWB2@RATESRDS@FAR"'
  Someone asked about notification--The stuff after ...CSV: is an e-mail
address to receive the confirmation.

Second, if you are serious about moving big files between big iron and small
sand, get a tape drive for the PC.  There are 9 track and 38k drives available
for under $5,000.  The best one I looked at also included software to select
records from the tape (e.g. keep only records with 'J' in column 17), so that
you did not need a 200MB hard disk to receive the file.  I am not aware of SAS
directly addressing a tape drive on a PC (under UNIX, yes), so this subset
capability seemed valuable to me.

Tim Berryhill
Pacific Gas & Electric Co.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:43:00 PST
Reply-To:     Thomas M Skinner <Thomas_M_Skinner@CCM.HF.INTEL.COM>
From:         Thomas M Skinner <Thomas_M_Skinner@CCM.HF.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: EMITS registration question
Comments: To: Bert_Cave@ccm.hf.intel.com, SAS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear SAS-Lers:                                      Santa Clara, California
                                                    Sunny, High of 80
                                                    Nov. 6, 1992

Gary asks (of my original statement about EMITS):


>"The second" list he talks of is EMITS.  It was my understanding when it
>first became available that it is only for SAS Site Representatives.  Is
>that no longer true?
>
>Gary

     Reply:

     We at Intel may have an arrangement for support that may be beyond the
     scope of the "usual" arrangements made with SI.  However it wouldn't
     hurt to try it...

     SI is so enthusiastic about EMITS (as opposed to handling phone
     calls), that if they haven't expanded the service to all users, they
     probably will soon. I don't believe they have a trap based upon the
     name field, but probably do for the site number.

     Note: In my original comments, I emphasized that the "USER" should
     copy his systems folks on the mail to and from EMITS.. Tracking
     numbers must be communicated in this way and ZAP recommendations back
     to the user should be forwarded to the systems folks (SAS Site REP, or
     consultant). It is these communications that are vital to getting
     prompt and dependable support from SI and your systems folks.
     Obviously SI does not want to deal with the novice user who thinks he
     has found a bug, when a consultant is capable of discerning these
     facts.  But I have a feeling, that if you are capable, willing,
     interested enough, and motivated enough to use EMITS, you probably
     qualify...Nuf Said ;-)

     If in doubt, contact your SAS Rep (SI Account Rep that is!)

     Intel-Insider,

     Tom Skinner

     ======================================================================
     T.M. Skinner              Internet:Thomas_M_Skinner@ccm.hf.intel.com
     Sr. SAS Technical Support     Mail:1900 Prairie City Rd. MS FM1-102
     Intel Corporation                  Folsom, CA 95630
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From: sngdco@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Good)
Subject: Problem doing "A" size plots to JDL 850 GL+ emulating an HP7580
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:30:10 GMT


My setup:  Running sas 6.07 on a VAX/VMS cluster.  I have a printer queue
	defined that has been working quite well as a standard printer, and
	also a A and C size plotter for Arris CAD and AUTO CAD output.

	The printer is a JDL 850 GL+ that has a DUAL bin paper feeder and
	has been configured in plot mode to emulate an HP 7580 plotter.

	I have several VMS print queus set up to select the proper size
	paper and either print or plot mode.


The problem: When I do the following...

FILENAME GSASFILE 'TEST.JDL';
GOPTIONS BORDER
         DEVICE=HP7580A
         GSFNAME=GSASFILE
         GSFMODE=REPLACE
         GSFLEN=70;

PROC GTESTIT PICTURE=1;
RUN;

	I get a plot coming out on "A" size paper (that is what I want),
	but the x=0, y=0 origin seems to be wrong.  It appears that what
	sas is doing (or what it's HP plot routines are doing), is not
	actually creating a small size plot, but somehow scaling a large
	plot down.  The result is a small diagram placed in the center of
	a "C" size area, not in the 0,0 corner where it should be.

What I have tried to do to solve this:  I have tried using all the various
	HP plotter types known to sas with out any positive result.  I have
	also tried the PROLOG to give some HP plot commands to try and
	correct the problem.  The PROLOG did not work since SAS put's it
	scaling and other commands in it's plot data that comes out after
	the PROLOG.  I also looked at the SAS HP output and compared it
	to my CAD software HP output.  The SAS output definitly has
	many reset and other commands that I wish I could take out.  I have
	also tried to create my own DEVICE DRIVER by copying the HP7580A into
	one called JDL850A and modifying some options.  I had notice when the 
	pixel count was doubled the plot showed up in the 0,0 corner of the
	paper but at the wrong size for it's border, when the pixel count was
	as the default for HP 7580A it seemed to end up centered in the center
	of a C size plot area.

	I am at the point of running out of things to try, any feeded back
	would be appreciated.

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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:28:48 EST
Reply-To:     "(Gail Gill)" <glg2@GTE.COM>
From:         "(Gail Gill)" <glg2@GTE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Proc Freq, using SQL
Comments: To: sas-l@uga.cc.uga.edu
              "HARVEY::"SAS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Nov 10, 92 10:11 am

In regards to 16 character truncation with PROC FREQ, several months ago there
was much discussion about that very topic. A wonderful solution was provided
by those users of SQL. I have used it successfully many times. An example
follows:

proc sql;
 create view **give it a name** as
  select **your variable**, count (*) as count
   from **your SAS dataset name***
    group by **your variable listed above***;

Should you desire to see a print out of your results, you need only
do a proc print with data=   and put your view name there.

Hope this helps.
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:05:30 CST
Reply-To:     Dick Campbell 312/413-3759 FAX 312/996-5104 <U08239@UICVM.BITNET>
From:         Dick Campbell 312/413-3759 FAX 312/996-5104 <U08239@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Power examples

I would appreciate receiving examples of any power analysis that anyone has
done for MANOVA models.  I have the Keyes-Muller modules and examples, and
they include on MANOVA example, but I would like to see as many as possible.
Thanks in advance.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 11:54:40 PST
Reply-To:     "(P. Oldenkamp 5-4481)" <oldenkmp@ESPRESSO.BOEING.COM>
From:         "(P. Oldenkamp 5-4481)" <oldenkmp@ESPRESSO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: SAS Usage Notes and Zaps....what to do?
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CONTENT:  COMMENT ;-)
REL/PLTF: 6.07TS203/SunOS 6.07/MVS 6.07/CMS
E-ADDR:   oldenkmp@ESPRESSO.boeing.com
NAME:     Paul OldenKamp
PHONE:    206-865-4481
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Sally Muller asked:

> SUMMARY:  Has anybody invented a better zaptrap?

... stuff deleted

> ZAPS and USAGE notes have been a thorn in my side forever!!!!

... stuff deleted

Herein lies one of the big advantages of using SAS under UNIX(SunOS).
Since no zaps are ever issued or problems fixed in any other way between
major releases one never has to bother with how to manage them.  I haven't
even had to bother with problem alerts since I haven't gotten any in the
mail.  I may have to do something now though, since I recently learned via
TSNEWS that several have been issued since last spring.

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From: nbl@solomon.technet.sg (Ng Beng Lim)
Subject: SAS/Graph problems on OS/2 Service Pack
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:54:20 GMT


IBM just came out with the Service Pack for the OS/2 that
incorporates the 32-bit graphics engine.  I am having problem
running SAS/graph on this new service level of OS/2.  When using the VGA
PM Device driver, it complains about 
 "Device does not support multiple graph windows or not enough memory."

It works fine on OS/2 sets without the service pack installed.

Anyone knows about a way around this?

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:51:00 EST
Reply-To:     Phil Bardsley <UPHILB@UNC.BITNET>
From:         Phil Bardsley <UPHILB@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MVS Transport Lib running 6.07???

David Nasser writes:

>Am I supposed to be able to write an MVS SAS transport *library* to
>disk running SAS6.07?
>
>I thought it was as simple as allocating the transport library
>and writing numerous members (type "data") to it.

According to SAS Tech Report P-195 in the chapter on 6.06 and
6.07, you can do it.  On page 60 it *implies* that you must use
proc copy, though, but it doesn't state explicitly that your
method, using a data step, will not work.  They present a table
with the advantages of proc copy and the advantages of data or
other proc step side-by-side:

  Advantages of Using PROC COPY   Advantages of Using DATA or Other
                                  PROC Step
  _________________________________________________________________
  You can create a transport      You can use DATA step statements
  file containing multiple SAS    to modify the data set as you
  data sets in transport format.  create the transport file.

  This method requires less       You can create a transport file
  CPU time.                       from any procedure that creates
                                  a SAS data set.

Later, they give the following example:

  proc copy in=oldlib out=tranfile;
     select example1-example4;
  run;

Hope this helps.  Phil
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