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From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Under Siege
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:36:00 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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Yep, Just saw it and it was good!  I think I still like his first
"Above the Law" better, but this is a close second.  Favorite scenes
included the knife fight (amazing he only got cut once :-) and
beautiful Erika!  OOoops!  Wrong news group for those types of
"techniques!"

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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:25:16 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <MARY.92Oct2110406@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>
>*grin* Soooo, Mikel...and where did you discover this little
>tidbit.  Not...FRESNO?????
>--

Sheesh..  I hope the Fresno Visitors Bureau never catches wind of the
trashing they're taking here !  :-)

Seriously, I have a second cousin (or some such removed relative) who
has a Kung Fu School in Fresno..  perhaps I'll go visit him sometime
and check out the vicious Fresno scene myself !

'course if you don't hear from me a few days later.....


-t.c.



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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Last of the Mohicans
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.005125.23969@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> shawmd@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael D Shaw) writes:
>If you haven't seen this movie, you should! It's GREAT!!!  Anyway to the point
>of my post... in the movie the father of Hawkeye used a combination sword/axe/
					  ^^^^^^^

	Eeeeek! Alan "I'm so *sensitive*" Alda's in this movie?  The man with
	the disgusting spooge coating all over him??


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From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aiki in Osotogari
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Oct8.200652.18653@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>   Further, I would argue that one would need both feet on the 
>   ground (or kneeling) in order to "extend/expand" in the first 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding...

I would say that in Chinese internal systems, one can most definitely
expand and compress, and use internal energy with only one foot on the
ground.

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu
From: paananen@tuxedo.enet.dec.com (Ed Paananen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: re: Katori Shinto-ryu
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:41:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In regards to Katori Shinto-ryu eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly)
wrote...

> Interestingly enough, there is one formal Katori school outside of Japan.

Fascinating! As of Don Dragers death I wasn't sure if any westerner
had a teaching certificate! In conversations of Yamaguchi-sensei
(of Katori/Kashima not Goju) I got the distinct impression there were
no western "teachers" (many students and "wannabees" but no teachers)
This of course was 3-4 years ago so perhaps things have changed?
If so, it's nice to hear Katori is branching out.

Ed Paananen (principle is beyond reason)
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Kimwaza - Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:00:40 GMT
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In article <1992Oct13.112654.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I don't know if this will help, but I recently came across some info
>relating to the white dragon/black dragon kung-fu debate.  This may
>be irrelevant, but here goes:
>
>November 1992 issue of Black Belt Magazine:
>
>Panther Productions Training Videos
>
>Black Dragon
>
>Chinese Goju by 10th Dan Master Ron Van Clief.  Learn Master Van
>Clief's Chinese Goju System with these great tapes:

In traditional Chinese martial art, there is no such thing as
belt of 1 to 10th Dan.  These are all Japanese inventions.

>1.  Way Of The Black Dragon
>
>2.  Chinese Goju Fundamentals & Self Defense

In traditional Chinese martial art, the word Goju is never used
and it is non-Chinese but Japanese words.



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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:36:03 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Bw78FH.96s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.043507.6952@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>In article shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>>Shuko are weapons that are strapped on the hand, and have four spikes
>>>protruding out from the other side of your knuckles. (so instead of spikes on
>>>the knuckles, they're on the palm side of your hand).
>>
>>I wonder how you would use these things as weapons of self
>>defense in this day and age.  I'm thinking here about the kind of
>>encounters you described when everyone started picking on you.
>>You couldn't very well wander around the streets with iron
>>clawws strapped to your hands.  And I don't imagine they would
>
>Mm, you could, depending on the state's laws.
>
>>be too comfy stuffed in the pockets of your jeans.  Are these in
>>the same class as sai?  I.e., interesting traditional weapons
>>with little or no present day utility?
>
>Hey now! :)  Sai can still be used.  If the state you're in allows
>conspicuous display of MA weapons, you can make a little homemade belt where
>you can put the sai in like holsters.  Of course, that would look kind of dumb.
>:)  Or you can get a long jacket or trenchcoat, sew on little bands of material
>on the inside and slip the sai into the loops:
>
>                |
>                |
>              -----
>              | = |      = is the little strip of material
>                |
>                |
>                |    ASCII graphics.. fun. :)
>
>I just had to illustrate a little because I felt it was a bit difficult
>explaining the way of making the "holsters."
>
>But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
>carried around.  But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
>or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
>and that is effective?
>
I like a large umbrella with a heavy shaft.
It's almost perfect for use with ninjutsu hanbo 
techniques.  I imagine anything that taught techniques with
a short staff of some kind could teach a lot of things 
that could be adapted to it.

Corey
>-- 
>Sam Hulick          | "A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one
>shulick@indiana.edu | end and no responsibility at the other."  --Anon.
>(NeXTmail welcome)  |
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:49:03 GMT
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In article <1992Oct15.223819.13698@midway.uchicago.edu> fun5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>As for CHinese,
>
>Black Dragon = "Hak Lung" (cantonese) or "Hei Lyng" mandarin,
>White Dragon = "Bak (Bok) Lung" (cantonese) "Bai Lung" mandarin
>
Dragon's mandarin pinyin is Long, not Lung.

>>The word for 'dragon' in Japanese is (I think) 'Tatsu'.
>>>
>Good point.
>
>>Not many things in chinese martial arts are based on the number four.
>
>That's 'cause the number four is bad luck according to the Chinese, since no 
>matter what dialect you use, the word for four sounds very similar to the word for "to die".
>
Not totally correct.  So many people have studied TaiChi,BaKua here and
it seems not many understand the name.  Both are from the idea of
YiJing,
In Mandarin Pinyin, From YiJing:
TaiJi-> LiangYi->SiXiang->BaQua
and the 3rd one Si is 4.
In Chinese martial art teminology, a lot of numbers have special meanings.
Liang (2) Yi,  San (3) Cai, Si (4) Xiang, Wu (5) Hang or xing, Ba (8) Qua.
Most people have heard of Liang Yi which simply are Yin Yang.  The others
are less known.
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:09:33 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep29163848@atomic.princeton.edu> mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>
>FC> However, I don't consider the infrequency or the "unfairness" of
>FC> this to be a ration excuse to pretend such situations won't
>FC> happen.
>
>No, but it is a reason to decide to ignore them.  I think it is quite
>rational to say "I would rather get mugged once every 3 years than
>spend 6 hours a week learning to defend myself." 

Usually, the people I've met who way this have never faced a broken
bottle, knife, baseball bat or such, and have never had the realization
that the next few moments may be their last on earth.
 
> If I didn't get
>something out of MA other than self-defense, I wouldn't do it.  And
>for years, I didn't.  I don't think I was wasting my life before then.
>

Here I *do* agree...  As one fierce Wing CHun teacher once admonished
his class..  "if all you want to do is hurt someone, don't waste
your time learning this, go get a club or a gun"

>
>I think people who say that they would rather not learn to fight
>because they think fighting is wrong are making a perfectly good
>decision, just not the one I am making.  They have chosen between two
>evils, and decided that being relatively defenseless is better than
>living a life in a manner they oppose. 

If these people have SEEN or known someone (or have themselves been ) 
nearly beaten to death
or raped etc..  then they are making an 'informed decision'...
if violence is still an 'abstract concept' to them, then I'd
say that they're talking out of ignorance..

my $0.02

-t.c.


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 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Praying Mantis Bung Bo
Keywords: Mantis
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:11:20 GMT
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In article <8OCT199213003939@zeus.tamu.edu> khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd) writes:
>Howdy,
>
>	Does anyone out there know mantis? If so, what style? Do you know
>the form Bung Bo (Bong Po, Bung Bu, Stamping/Bouncing/Banging Step)? It is
>the only form everyone agrees was created by Wong Long. 
>
>	I know this form but would like some insights on the specific footwork
>involved. You know, the stamping/bouncing/banging steps. I would appreciate
>any help anyone can give.

There is a form called "Beng Bu" in pinyin in both 7-stars and
closed doors "mi meng" mantis.  Now, it is a form for relatively
beginners.  The forms movement are on the same axis, going front
and back.  Movements are not fansy but have almost all major
mantis moves.  However, I have no idea if it was the only form
created by Wong Long.  However, I guess it is not very likely.
Several generations after Wong Long, mantis developed into more
than 30 forms and it is not very likey that all forms were invented
by his successors.

I personally learnt this form from a friend for fun.  And that was
the first time I see mantis and I love mantis after that.
Now, I am learning from the head of 8 steps mantis.  8 steps mantis
was invented by Jiang Hua Long about a century ago.  Jiang was a
well-known mantis practitioner.

It was great.  You wouldn't know until you tried it.  Give it a
try if you have a chance.


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From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Taido/Hakamas
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.163731.1737@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(Mr. X) writes:

> 	A properly fitted hakama should not hang below the ankles.  This

I wear mine a bit lower than this.  The hem brushes the tops of my feet.

> 	exposes the footwork for all to see.  Legwork though is still fairly
> 	obscured by the garment.

In Kendo, the only time one is really interested in showing the footwork
is when Sensei are teaching footwork.

-- 
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Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
    <MHIRSCH.92Oct12105933@atomic.princeton.edu> 
    <1992Oct13.122601.2128@srg.srg.af.mil>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:36:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Oct13.122601.2128@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>In article <MHIRSCH.92Oct12105933@atomic.princeton.edu> mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>In fact, my sources tell me that they rarely eat qi's in China,
>>contradicting Stephen's original statement.
>
>	In fact, Chinese cultivate their own qi's with meditation. It tends to
>accumulate in the general area of your navel. When you have accumlated enough
>qi's, you will be extremely powerful.
>	To eat your qi's is purely external, and only suitable for people who
>need to use their qi's in the near future.
>
>
I eats my qi's with honey, it keeps them on the knife...

Charles Yeomans
cyeomans@ms.uky.edu
yeomans@austin.onu.edu
From: cc@cowan.fishkill.ibm.com (Chris Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kung Fu in Austin
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:33:03 GMT
Reply-To: cc@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: Pough, NY

Does anyone know if there are any traditional Chinese Martial Arts
Schools in Austin, TX?  I'm asking for a friend in my school, who will
be moving there shortly.  The first preference would be 7 Star Praying
Mantis, then other Northern Mantis styles (Tai, 6 Box), then other Chinese 
Styles.  

Other preferences are that the school not be commercially oriented (we
don't have belts in our school!) and that it not "mix" dissimilar styles.
Since I know that the type of people that I'm trying to reach, may feel
uncomfortable posting here, they can contact me off-line, via E-mail.

BTW, we've already looked in the Inside *MartialArts* Magazines.   We didn't
find anything, but we realize that those type of directories are by
no means complete.   (They're really ads!)

Chris Cowan 
cc@vnet.ibm.com
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chinese myths
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:02:39 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Oct14.030429.15238@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>That's the same sort of idea as dragon in Sun-style bagua: Reaching around,
>grabbing, etc... But the Cheng-style dragon is quite different. (Which
>makes me think I'm missing some underlying, common feature.)

Can you describe the Sun and Cheng styles a little more?

>Swallow also appears in eight-animal bagua styles, but it's often called
>falcon or sparrowhawk. I didn't get the reason for the name, until 
>I was on a hiking trip, and saw a falcon diving at its prey: The form
>has the same opening/rising and then overturning/downward striking feel,
>as a bird of prey's dive. 

Is the power of this animal called "guiding" in the pa kua your learning?

Al
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:30:51 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
>carried around. But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
>or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,

     Well-trained feet and hands (and elbows and knees and foreheads
and...) top the list.

     However, let's remember that most MA weapons were simple
household items that crafty MAists used as weapons. The jo (short
stick) was a walking cane, sai were either ladies' hairpins or
seed-hole-punchers for planting, nunchucku were used for threshing
grain (like the European flail).

     With this in mind, ask "What common items that I _already_ might
be carrying around can I use as weapons?" Keychains. Purses.
Backpacks. Belts.  Long coats could be used to entangle, like nets.
Shoelaces might make effective strangling cords. (Prisons seem to
think so!)

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From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.142511.13948@srg.srg.af.mil>, dpipes@spica.srg
(Dave Pipes x4552) writes:

> In article <MARY.92Oct7084236@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM
> (Mary Malmros) writes:
> >
> >In article <1992Oct7.054534.20638@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov
> >(Richard Drury) writes:
> >
> >   In article jwalters@stsci.edu writes:
> >   >In article schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
> >   >> 	Dave, you're just so knave.
> >   >
> >   >Uh, I think you meant naive.
> >
> >   Nah, he's just being rediculous.  [What *is* that tapping sound.]
> >
> >Listen jerk.  I'ts "reticulus".  
> >
> >tap tap tap.
> 
> Casting our net a bit wide, aren't we, Mary?  Well, I'm sure Stephen's next
> cuttle amuse you, while others are floundering trying to decipher your pun.
> 
> And flamers, fear not - we'll soon have you eating crow, perhaps with a 
> nice light chi sauce :-).  I guar-awn-tee it...:-)

Ack! Ack! Ick!  So this is what you guys mean, when you tell us that your
practices are *punishing*.  These fishy puns are scaling to new heights.
So knock that carp off!  ;-)

-- 
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chinese myths
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:49:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: martiniq.MARY.92Oct14134902
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Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of 14 Oct 92 03:04:29 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.030429.15238@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

   In article <8348@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
   >>Dragon, pheonix and unicorn (which I understand doesn't
   >>translate well, being very different from the western unicorn...)
   >>Does anyone have any information on these mythical animals are
   >>like in the Chinese tradition? 

   >Maybe the unicorn is the ki-rin?  I don't know anything real about it, unless
   >the description in the AD&D Monster Manual is accurate.

   That's the name, but unfortunately I've little idea what it is like
   (other than, like the bagua palm change...)

I thought the kirin was an animal from Japanese mythology...in fact I'm
sure of it.  Is it also from Chinese mythology?

The kirin, as I recall, is a horse.  In the only pictures I've seen, 
it seems to have three horns that grow out of its forehead and point
backwards, rather than forwards like a unicorn.  The center horn is
the longest.  They also seem to have beards, sort of.  The kirin is 
supposed to be a lot larger than a horse, I believe, and can fly.

The kirin plays an interesting part in "The Golden Naginata" by 
Jessica Amanda Salmonson, which is second in a fantasy series
she wrote about a woman warrior in a sort of alternate universe
Japan.  The other two books in the series are "Tomoe Gozen" and 
"The Thousand Shrine Warrior".  The kirin in this book guards a 
golden naginata (surprise, surprise), has a very very long neck, 
is spotted, and can discorporate.  

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?) CueDo
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:51:28 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct12.142921.21170@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>		Kyute.

	And right on cue, too.