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From: lanih@herald.Berkeley.EDU (J. Lani Herrmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Ray Fisher CD
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:21:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Summary: Available from Musical Heritage Society

The recording by Ray Fisher, "Traditional Songs of Scotland," is
available from the Musical Heritage Society, Box 1408, Asbury
Park, NJ 07712. Price CD $13, cassette $8 + 30cents/item postage.
	MHS occasionally picks up other items of real folk
interest, such as Kathryn Tickell's first recording. The
only drag is that (as far as I can tell) you have to sign up
with their subscription service which wastes a lot of paper
and postage (for me, anyway), while I wait for them to release
something interesting. But is a reputable service, especially
if you like slightly obscure but respectable recordings/performances
of mainly classical music. (They also carry a jazz series ....)
	(This is for the person who wanted a second copy of Ray's
CD for a gift. Enjoy.) -- Lani
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:53:41 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

GALWAY RACES

It's there you'll see confectioners with sugar sticks and dainties,
The lozenges and oranges, lemonade and the raisins,
The gingerbread and spices to accommodate the ladies,
And a big crubeen for threepence to be picking while you're able.

It's there you'll see the gamblers, the thimbles and the garters,
And the sporting Wheel of Furtune with the four and twenty quarters;
There was others without scruple pelting wattles at poor Maggy,
And her father well contented and he looking at his daughter.

It's there you'll see the pipers and fiddlers competing,
And the nimble-footed dancers and they tripping on the daisies.
There was others crying segars and lights, and bills of all the races,
With the colour of the jockeys, the prize and horses' ages.

It's there you'd see the jockeys and they mounted on most stately,
The pink and blue, the red and green, the Emblem of our nation.
When the bell was rung for starting, the horses seemed impatient,
Though they never stood on ground, their speed was so amazing.

There was half a million people there of all denominations,
The Catholic, the Protestant, the Jew and Prespetarian.
There was yet no animosity, no matter what persuasion,
But failte and hospitality, inducing fresh acquaintance.

-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: philo@orion.IntelliCorp.COM (Philip R. Obermarck)
Subject: Re: What's the best way to amplify a fiddle?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:22:14 GMT
Reply-To: pobermarck@intellicorp.com
Organization: IntelliCorp Inc.

 selliott@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Elliott) writes:
|> 
|>  ...  I play fiddle, and
|> I am wondering if anyone has any recommendations as to the best way to
|> amplify a fiddle while retaining the acoustic quality of the instrument.

|> Thanx for any info, Steve Elliott

Fishman makes an exceptional pickup which slips into the bridge.  The last
time I investigated amplifying a fiddle was a couple years ago, but at that
time, this was the best overall product.

The problem with using a stationary (ie vocal) mice is that you are tied
down to one spot, and must always "aim" the fiddle at the mike, or possibly
lose it out of the mix.  A pickup provides the freedom to move about on stage
so long as the cord is long enough. :-)

Also, most vocal mikes are not made to register all the tones of a fiddle
properly, so often provide a poor sound. (ask a mike expert for more info).

-- 
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  Philip R. Obermarck                             PObermarck@IntelliCorp.COM 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Subject: Re: The Great Selkie of Sule Skerrie
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:14:56 GMT

In article <1geb7lINNevl@pith.uoregon.edu> tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny) writes:
>
>Does anyone have a working melody for this song?  There's one in the Viking
>Press collection of ballads, but it's kind of clunky and obvious to my
>ears.

The liner notes from RAGGLE TAGGLE, by Dinah LeHoven, provide a reference
to a melody source.  (BTW, this tape also contains what I think is the
reference version of the song ...)
--
-- Christophe

"I draw the line at Styrofoam packing kernels, you sick pervert."
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: incredible string ban
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:39:47 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com's message of 16 Dec 92 08:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.1568.7429@channel1> eliot.gelwan@channel1.com (eliot gelwan) writes:

>Where you can look is England. They have not been re-released on
>CD in the US although there are rumors that the best of their
>albums -- Hangman's Beautiful Daughter, Wee Tam, Big Huge -- are
>soon going to be. Alot of us think Elektra are fools not to know
>what a goldmine they are sitting on top of. Laurie Devine, of
>Devine Celtic Sounds in Tucson AZ can probably get you the
>English import CDs for a pretty penny if you can't wait.

Got a phone number for her? I'm one of those who can't wait :-).

thanks,
--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"





--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
From: pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Stephen Foster
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:46:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsc.pavlovic.17.724617985
Organization: Environmental Health Sciences Center, Oregon State University
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In article <1992Dec16.202824.10781@sequent.com> rls@sequent.com (Robert Sleator) writes:
>In article <1gml9bINNm4r@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (
Steve Pope) writes:>>gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu (Norton Gusky) writes:
>>
>
>>By far the most important recorded version of a Stephen Foster
>>song in the last decade is Mary Black's version of Hard Times,
>>on DARA-CD-010 (Mary Black Collected).
>>
>>Steve
>
>Most important to whom ?  
>
>Dedannan also did Hard Times, but I forget which album.
>
>--------------
>Robert Sleator
>rls@sequent.com

It was on DeDanaan's "Song for Ireland", sung by Mary Black and collected 
onto her "Collected" album.  In other words they are the same recording.
At least this is the way I remember it.  

JGP
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:8627 soc.culture.german:9370
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 15:15:33 CST
From: <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.german
Subject:    Looking for German lyrics of "Die Gedanken Sind Frei"

For some time, I've been trying to track down the original German lyrics of
the old university song, "Die Gedanken Sind Frei," of which Pete Seeger re-
corded an English-language cover years ago.  Would anyone be able and will-
ing to either email them to me, or post them?

Thanks a lot.

                                                Mitch Pravatiner
                                                U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
From: jdh9308@rigel.tamu.edu (HOOD, JONATHAN DAVIS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: words to I'm my own grandpa
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:30 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

	One of my favorite old folk songs is I'm my own Grandpa but I don't
remember the words to the song.  I would be grateful if anyone could send me
the words to the song.
				
				-Jon
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: kelleher@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Joseph Kelleher)
Subject: Re: Name of Irish folk song?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:58:12 GMT

In article <Dec.11.12.06.15.1992.24902@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Daniel Rosenblum) writes:
>In <1992Dec8.174902.18786@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> kelleher@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Joseph Kelleher) writes, in
> part of a thread about oxymorons that started with some comments
>>                   . . . .  He had two sons . . .
>>                                  . . . .  The duller sun . . .
>                                                ^^^^^^ ^*^
>
>Talk about oxymorons!  :-)
>-- 
>Daniel M. Rosenblum, Assistant Professor, Quantitative Studies Area,

Ack!  I've had the editorial hounds of hell [sic]ed on me!

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Stephen Foster
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:20:19 CST

In article <799@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gusky@hamlet.phyast.pitt.edu
 (Norton Gusky) writes:

>I'm trying to put together a feature for WYEP's Calliope Edition that
>would include contemporary renditions of Foster tunes.  Hard Times, for
>example, has been recorded by the Red Clay Ramblers, Bob Dylan (most
>recently) and others.  What are other tunes and artists that I could use?

Joan Baez recorded "I Dream of Jeanne with the Light Brown Hair."

Then there's this thing about Foster's music I am confused about:
I have occasionally heard it said that many of his melodies
were not original.  But I don't, myself, have the knowledge
to back this up.  There is a Folk Legacy album on which
Eddie Trickie sings a song to the tune of Foster's "Gentle
Annie," but I don't know which set of lyrics came first.

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com


Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Makem & Clancy, Waltzing Mathilda, Rostubble
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:01:17 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.094854.8168@teetot.acusd.edu> jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:
>
>There's another song that goes:
>
>"So farewell to the guns and the drilling and the marching,
> and when I get back home no more soldierin' for me.
> Oh, I'm going back to the town of Rostobble,"
> (near all sorts of neat stuff).
>
>What's the name of the town?

Rostover.

>Also, does anyone know where I can get Makem & Clancy albums? This tape
>was old when I got it, and is getting harder and harder to deal with.
>It'd be nice to have a record or CD.

It's on CD from Shanachie records. I bought my copy at a MusicLand or
some such chain store within the past 3 months; have your local store order
a copy for you. I believe the title is simply "Makem & Clancy."

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: Gerry.Mulvenna@launchpad.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna)
Subject: Any news on Jackson Browne?
Organization: The Queen's University of Belfast, Ireland
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:52:07 GMT

I was wondering what Jackson Browne has been recording since his World in 
Motion album.   I have the JB track (Rebel Jesus) on the 
Chieftains' Christmassy album - IMHO it and the Elvis Costello  contribution
(The St Stephen Day Murders) make the  album.

So  is there a new Jackson Browne album out in the States?  Where is he 
touring?  Does any one know the true story about the fisticuffs involving
Darryl Hannah?  I have conflicting reports about who hit who.  After all, she's
much bigger than he is :-).

Thanks.

Gerry Mulvenna (osg1688@v2.qub.ac.uk)
Belfast, Ireland

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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Subject: ISB releases
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:47:28 GMT


I had the following email, but my reply wouldn't go through, so I'll post it
instead. There may be other people interested in it also.

The message:

Re: New Incredible String Band releases
     Thanks for this post.  I don't read rec.music.folk regularly, but 
was looking around for information on the ISB.  Since you mentioned that 
Robin's "Myrrh" was a gem, I'll definitely be looking for that one, since 
I like his work a lot.  (You could say that Robin plays Lennon to Mike's 
McCartney.)
     One question: have you head Heron's "Smiling Men With Bad 
Reputations"?  Is it a good record?  The local used-record shop has it, 
and if it's good I'd like to grab it before it goes away.  (I'm kicking 
myself that I passed up the chance to get Changing Horses and Liquid 
Acrobat, but oh well....).  Thanks for any response.

 This is from
     buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com


My reply:

I wouldn't say "Smiling Men" is up to the standard of the best ISB
albums, but it's not as bad as the worst ones either. A reasonable
but minor work is perhaps the best way of describing it. I listen to
it occasionally. It is on CD, and has a few extra tracks in this
format. The main thing that is interesting about it is that it has
lots of famous backing musicians: various members of Fairport
Convention, parts of The Who (under the name Tommy and the Bijoux),
John Cale (or maybe J.J. Cale, I can't remember), and, on the CD,
Jimmy Page and Elton John. I should say, though, that I am more a
fan of Robin's music than Mike's generally.

Changing Horses is also one of the better minor works. Liquid
Acrobat (which has appeared on CD) is the last really good album
they did; in terms of quality it is up to the standard of, say, The
Hangman's Beautiful Daughter.

Incidentally, the full list of ISB albums now on CD is: The 5000
Spirits, Hangman, Wee Tam (but not The Big Huge yet), Liquid
Acrobat, Earthspan, No Ruinous Feud, On Air (BBC Radio recordings),
Live in concert (ditto), and the solo albums Smiling Men and Myrrh.

-- david
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)
Subject: Folk & Singer/Songwriter Radio Station List ??
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:31:14 CST

Hi folk music lovers!

I would like to compile a list of radio staions which play folk and/or
singer/songwriter type music. If you send me the location, call letters,
frequency, and a short description of your favorite stations, I will
summarize and post them. I think it would come in handy while traveling.
Oh, and I have two already: WYEP 91.3 in Pittsburgh and WXPN (not sure
of the frequency - please help me out here) in Philadelphia.

Once again: Please e-mail and I will summarize and post.
Thanks in advance.

--
_____________________________________________________________________________
Tom Huot        			       
huot@cray.com 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Laura Nyro - unreleased songs
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:17:29 EST

     Interesting to see that some people are even more moved by Laura Nyro 
than I am.  I bought "New York Tendaberry" used on an@ impulse, and it 
immediately became one of my all-time favorites.  "Christmas and the Beads 
Of Sweat" is another great one.  I've never seen her live, unfortunately, 
and I'd be curious to know if she'll be touring any time soon.
     Anyway, the only news that I have of her is that she's working on a 
new album with Gary Katz, the former producer of Steely Dan.  Katz made a 
passing reference to this in an article about Jeff Porcaro's death.  Hope 
it comes out soon.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: And the Band played Waltzing Mathilda
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
	<mjc.724707958@NL.CS.CMU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:58:12 GMT

In article <mjc.724707958@NL.CS.CMU.EDU> mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) writes:

   >I'm hearing (in my perhaps faulty memory) some different words,
   >so for anyone who cares, here are the differences (my version
   >marked with *, and typos silently corrected):

   Bogle has recorded this song three or four times, and each time the words
   mutate a bit.  Others have also recorded it.  So in my opinion it's kind of
   silly to argue about things like "to stop" vs "you stopped" and the addition
   of a "'cause"; minor variations happen sometimes, and there's nothing wrong
   with that.

I didn't think I was arguing - I thought I was providing a variant.
The more variants one finds (and the more they differ), the more confident
we can be that the song is becoming a "folk" song (adopting, momentarily,
the definition of "folk" that makes the assertion true :-)).

The folksingers (and in this case the author, too) create the variants
and the folklorists collect and study them.  Often these groups are
at cross-purposes, but I think this group contains people of both
persuasions as well as those who bridge the gap.

My favorite anecdote about arguing over variants is from Michael Cooney,
who said that after singing "On top of Old Smokey, all covered with
sand, I shot my old teacher, with a red rubberband" to a bunch of kids,
they protested, saying that they use a green rubberband.  

I notice from this thread that the Pogues are perhaps making this a 
pop hit, in which case it seems in danger of being set in stone the
way the mass media tend to influence mass perception.

 
--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: bk249@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David M. Kushner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Astronomicon 2
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:47:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bk249@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David M. Kushner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Dear fellow folkies,

	I am in charge of filking (an inclusive form of folk music)
for our local Rochester area science fiction convention, and expect to
make this a great filking con!  I cannot to it without your help.  Any
filkers (including listeners) who can travel to Rochester the weekend
of March 5 - 7, 1993 will be welcomed with warm hearts and, of course,
FILK.  
                                    David Kushner
                                    dmk@mit.edu


HEAR YE, HEAR YE!  A SCIENCE FICTION (AND COMIC) CONVENTION YOU HAVE
PROBABLY BEEN WAITING FOR (even if you did not know it):
***********************************************************************
ASTRONOMICON 2				ASTRONOMICON 2
***********************************************************************

	The Rochester (New York) area science fiction convention

March 5 - 7, 1993       at The Radisson Inn, Rochester
*****************          175 Jefferson Road, Rochester, NY  14623
                           (716)475-1910  Rooms $60/day, S or D

Guest of Honor:  Michael Swanwick (1992 Nebula Award for Best Novel)
Artist Guest of Honor:  Phil Foglio (Hugo Award-winning Artist)
Special Guests:  The Gunderson Corp (Science Fiction Comedy Troupe)
Other Guests include:  Nancy Kress, Nick Pollotta, John Allen Price,
Larry "The Doctor" Stewart, Marcos Donnelly, S.M. Stirling, S.N. Lewitt.

This is a full service convention with such features as evening/night
Filking, Con Suite, Mingle with the Authors, Fannish Feud, Dealers
Room, Panel Discussions, Video Marathon, Masquerade, Art Show,
Readings, etc.

Pre-registration:  $20 until 2/1/93, then $25 at the door.
Make checks payable to and for more information contact:
Rochester Fantasy Fans, P.O. Box 1701, Rochester, NY  14603-1701
phone # (716)342-4697
or send e-mail to me, David Kushner, at   dmk@mit.edu

-- 
_________________________________________________________________
David M. Kushner		dmk@mit.edu
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:37:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: ugo@eng.umd.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 19:55:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.195503.10278@eng.umd.edu> ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli) writes:

>There is a line I could never figure out.  Could anyone help?

I got another like that- in the first verse,

"When I was a young man I carried my pack
and I lived the free life of a rover.
From the ???? green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my Matilda all over.

what's that word in the third line?

--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jimcole@adobe.com (Jim Cole)
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:05:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.101040.20683@yang.earlham.edu>,
edwardd@yang.earlham.edu wrote:
> 
> I'd have to say for ease, Clawhammer style on a regular open back banjo
> will get you the farthest the fastest.  Bluegrass style is facinating to
> play, mezmerizing really, but seems like a lot more work.
> 
> ed

-----------------

I play bluegrass banjo, so I can only speak for its ease, and I can't
compare it to other banjo styles.  But, I think it's fairly easy to get to
a level where you sound pretty good at bluegrass banjo.  There are a few
basic picking patterns (bluegrass banjo players call these "rolls") that
you can use for backup work.  And the open G tuning makes it fairly easy to
play a break that sounds like the melody.  Of course, you can spend years
trying to play like Bela, Tony Furtado, Alison Brown, etc.

I played guitar before banjo, and found banjo MUCH easier.  In the open G
tuning, you can learn three easy chord forms (one of them simply a barred
form across all the frets), and you can play virtually any bluegrass song. 
Of course, you'll sound boring after the second song, but this is what I
mean about it being very easy to get to a level where you can play a little
(and start playing with other people).

A very good book is called "Backup Banjo;" it also covers lead playing.  I
think the author's last name is Davis; it's a red book.

Jim Cole
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:8676 rec.music.misc:29543
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Modes; was: Re: Reading music - book sought.
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:55:53 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Dec19.002432.20909@das.harvard.edu> jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost ) writes:
>In article <BzH0v6.JnH@spss.com> bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley) writes:
>>5 note scales are Pentatonic. Kesh jig es an example. 6 note is
>>heptatonic. Can't remember the name of the heptatonic I learned this
>>week. 
>
>I know the terminology, but wanted to know which, if any,
>of those named modes only allow 5 notes in their scale.  
>Reason is that stuff I like as often gets labelled generically
>'pentatonic' as 'modal'.
>Thanks for the example.  All named examples welcome.

Unfortunately I'm not a music theorist (help somebody). My instructor
tells me that pentatonics are indeed modal. Just like the greeks start
a scale on each position of the white keys of a piano, you can start a
5 note scale on a black key. The most common would be 1 minor3 4 5
minor7. He (Joe Sobol) didn't have a name for each pentatonic mode.

An example of a heptatonic by the way is Over the Ocean.