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From: el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent)
Subject: Re: Episode 10/12, or whatever it was called
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:21:45 GMT

waynebro@juliet.caltech.edu (Broughton, Wayne Jeremy) writes:

>Wow!  I thought this episode was fascinating for two reasons:  I am
>a mathematics graduate student (I never knew discussing mathematics
>could be so seductive!), and the episode tied in with a lot of threads
>that have been discussed here.

>1. First, it was gratifying to see mathematics (and its beauty) presented
>on the show, but I am afraid that the "mathematician" (Amy) was _not_
>convincing.  Number theorists do not study pi or other transcendental numbers,
>per se.  I don't know of anyone who thinks they can get a doctorate by 
>"looking for messages from God" in the decimal expansion of pi (this 
>idea was the final climax of Carl Sagan's book "Contact").  And her list
>of grad school options, "fractal geometry, imaginary numbers, non-linear
>differential equations" was hilarious.  (Gosh, stop griping already! you say).
>One neat thing was the formula shown at the top of Amy's screen at the
>very end: pi = 4*(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 + ....).  Not that 
>she could have possibly been using this to do her calculation.  :-)

In contrast, a girl friend of mine in the graduate math program
at U of I really liked the math character.  She said that she dressed
just like a math grad student, and had some of the same quirky
semi-disorganized behavior a math grad has.  I think she's studying
number theory.  It's stuff which makes me ill, personally.
Commutative rings, fundamental theorems of mathematics, stuff from
Euler to Euclid.  What a drag.  Nothing so simple as a sophomore
undergrad class like imaginary numbers or non-linear differential
equations. :)

>Keep them equations balanced,

I suppose if Maggie were in the episode, she could have made a
comment to Maurice like, "Don't worry, my biological clock is
about 8 or 9 minutes off, too."

>Wayne. 
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From: wright@staff.tc.umn.edu (Mark Wright)
Subject: Chris' quote on 10/12
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:57:31 GMT

I don't know if this has been discussed already (hey, I just found this group.
there are around 400 posts I haven't seen), but can anyone identify the source
of Chris' quote at the end of the show on 10/12?  Is was something like:

A system is the tail on the lizard of truth.  The lizard will gladly lose its
tail, knowing that it can always grow another.,


-- 
Mark Wright
wright@epx.cis.umn.edu
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From: avison@cheshire.oxy.edu (James Bothwell Avison)
Subject: Re: Rolf and Joel: who will stay?
Keywords: my theory 
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.190441.19828@news2.cis.umn.edu> alberti@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Albatross) writes:
>Okay, my wife think's I'm crazy but I don't:  I think Rolf (the Clock Fixer)
>WAS JOEL (or at least, was portrayed by the same actor whose name you'd think
>I'd know by now except if you knew me and names and bout the time I forgot my
>cousin's name at a wedding you'd realize isn't so unusual).

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. The woman who plays MAGGIE played Rolf.
That's why she didn't appear in the episode...:-)
			James
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Monday's "Midnight Sun" episode.
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:30:02 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>>Is it just me, or does the guy who sold the clothes sound
>>>like the narrator for Disney nature films?
>>
>>Aha!  I think you're right.  All during the show I was attempting to place where I
>>I had heard that voice.  By the time I was 10 I had probably absorbed about 30
>>hours of thoese Disney films and that voice is kinda ingrained in my long term
>>memory, but I just couldn't figure out from where.

When I was a kid (30 years ago) all those Disney nature films were narrated
by Rex Allen, a member of The Sons of the Pioneers.  His son still
sings/records as Rex Allen, Jr.  If my memory serves me right, Rex Allen
has been dead for many years, and I believe the clothes salesman is too old
for Rex Jr.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: gaylin@bacall.ipac.caltech.edu (Gaylin Laughlin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Variety IS the spice of life
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:20:13 GMT
Organization: Caltech
NNTP-Posting-Host: bacall.ipac.caltech.edu

I'm sorry, I hope I don't offend everyone, but here's my opinion:

I really liked the episode on October 12th, in fact it's one of my
all-time favorites.  It ended beautifully, with "Inchworm", and I had a
wonderful feeling for three days.  I really wish people on this
newsgroup would stop dissecting every single word every character
utters, and learn to experience the show.  There was a wonderful
message for me in this episode.

Every episode DOES NOT need to focus on whether or not Joel and Maggie
are going to finally get together!  It seems to me that the two
episodes about the trip to Juneau at the end of last season were two of
the only episodes that ever had any continuity.  Do you really think
that the show should always carry on from there, based on that?

Think back, or better yet, go back and watch some of your old tapes of
early episodes.  The reason why we all grew to love this show was
because we never knew what to expect.  I like the variety of never
knowing who the storyline will focus on from week to week.  I think
it's one of the show's strong points.  It proves there is good writing
as well as good acting.  If NEXP had gone along like some of you think
it should, and continued the same story line as the two Juneau
episodes, you'd all be whining right about now about how boring,
predictable and bland the show had become.  Then, you would begin
comparing NEXP's downfall to that of Moonlighting and Cheers.  The
writers on this show are intelligent.  They know that would kill the
show.  They want it to stay fresh.  I do too.  So what if Joel and
Maggie aren't the focus every week?  I think it's an exciting show with
a great future.  Yeah, I love Bernard, and I really enjoy the
interaction between Maggie and Joel.  But, hey, variety is the spice of
life!! Try to experience the shows each episode at a time for a change,
instead of looking at it as a soap opera or something.   SHEEEEEEEESH!

Based on the stuff that goes on in this group, I think those folks back
on rec.arts.tv who don't have access to the "alt" groups aren't missing
much.

Just my opinion.

Gaylin
gaylin@ipac.caltech.edu

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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:28:02 GMT

In article <1bem2uINNmit@uwm.edu>, david@convex.csd.uwm.edu (David Stack) writes:
> From article <1992Oct13.045107.28845@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, by sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth):
> > 
> > Ok folks, what did you all think of this weeks episode?? I don't know why,
> > but there was someting missing..HMMM..what..was it...don't tell I'll figure
> > it out....AHH..Of course.. Maggie wasn't in it :-)
> 
> But she *was* in Chevy commercials than ran during the show.  I thought 
> there was some kind of prohibition against this -- having an actor 
> appear in a commercial that runs in the midst of a show they're starring
> in.  But, of course, she wasn't starring in this episode...

I had never heard this, why would there be?

Larry Billings
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From: mhw@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Murphy)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuffclose
Summary: rebuttal... tee hee.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.163640.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>
>AGREED!  I didn't like it at all...
>
>1) No Joel and Maggie?

In a show with several major characters, do they have to be on every show?  I
thought it was great that the writers could build a show without showcasing
the budding or dying (however you want to see it) relationship between Maggie
and Joel.  I can see it as giving the other characters more time to develop
their own characters... was Erlich on every St. Elsewhere episode?  :)
I can interpret this statement two ways; either you, personally, don't like
the shows without Maggie and Joel in them, or you don't think a show can be
good without Maggie and Joel.  And I guess that's your perogative.  But I
didn't think their absence took anything away from the show.
>
>2) Maurice waxing philosophical about time, and sounding like Chris?

Thank God he did some soul-searching to make up for his outrageous behavior
during the rest of the show, I say.  He's what, in his 50s?  About time to
start thinking about trying to harness time and not age anymore, I think. 
Maurice is my least favorite character, but I thought his speech about time
was appropriate, and well-planned.  Especially wsince he was doing his
soul-searching with Holling.  THAT made more sense than if he had gone off
about Time to Joel or Chris.  He and Holling go way back, and every time they
talk to each other you get that sense of shared history.
>
>3) Chris going even farther than usual...a message from God in Pi???

I thought that was more from Amy, with Chris going, "Yeah, man... I dig."
>
>4) A mathamtician searching for Pi in the middle of Northern Alaska?

Well, so many great authors secluded themselves in natural settings like that,
for inspiration... why not a mathematician?
>
>5) Was Chris responsible for killing those animals?

Good question.  Don't think this one was supposed to have an answer.
>
>6) Should he have to destroy his property, and litter that beautiful valley?

*sigh*  That beautiful Harley... that beautiful valley... no.  I don't think he
should have.  But that was the time where you, as the audience, have to say to
yourself, "I think we're supposed to be suspending our disbelief."  Enjoy the
story for what it is, and see if you can glean any abstract truth from it.


M.
"Tastes like Robitussin."

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From: mats@netcom.com (Mats Wichmann)
Subject: Re: Janine Turner
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:52:29 GMT

marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:

>I'm sorry and I may be the only one in the world who thinks so, but I've
>never been particularly impressed with Janine Turner's intonation. She's
>able to do the moving, say the lines, and emote from time to time, but a 
>lot of the time her lines sound just like lines, not like something she
>actually thought of to say. I've learned to think of it as part of the
>character, but I think she's one of the weaker actors on the show.

My own theory, held for a long time but never agreed to by anyone I've
talked to (except my wife) is that writing around Janine's shorcomings
are a large part of what has made the show work - other characters have
been developed and at times Maggie has seemed almost an afterthought -
every now and then they write an episode which involves her, but she's
not in the mainstream of most of what's going on.  On the other hand,
maybe the really did plan it this way...
-- 
Mats Wichmann
Unisoft Corporation
mats@unisoft.com (or mats@netcom.com)

Silly Disclaimer:  speaking only for myself, except when I'm not.
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Music on NEXP
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:33:38 GMT


This is a FAQ by now, but who sings "Play Bovines"???

Just wondering.

:-)  :-)


Simon

(I think the previous posting got junked, not sure though).
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From: hrp@cray.com (Hal Peterson)
Subject: O'Connell and Fleischman
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:27:58 CDT

I've been hearing a lot of speculation about those two getting
together, and the show certainly did spend a lot of time building up
to it in the first couple of seasons.  But didn't they resolve that
whole plot line at the end of last season?  Now that they've resolved
the standard sitcom problem (how to get the stars in bed together) in
a nonstandard way (they don't), they can move on to cover new ground,
exploring the other possibilities in the relationship.
--
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From: troy@cs.sfu.ca (Troy Brooks)
Subject: Re: Season's premier, loud musical score?
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:19:47 GMT

In article <drenze.718403401@icaen.uiowa.edu> drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze) writes:
>djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>
>>>The volume was terrible! The scene in the Brick, where Shelley talks to 
>>>Maggie about turning thirty, was awful! I almost couldn't hear the 
>>>dialog over the music.
>
>>I heard it just fine in San Diego.  If it was loud, I didn't notice.
>>-- 
>>Darin Johnson
>>djohnson@ucsd.edu
>>    Strange things are afoot at the circle-K...
>
>My complaint is that the sound quality was inconsistent...I was constantly
>having to adjust the volume to compensate for character voices fading...I
>surmise it was the result of them not being tracked very well with the mikes,
>because they would fade in and out as they moved toward and away from various
>fixed points (mainly in the Brick).
>
>Peace,
>
>Doug
>
>-- 
>| Douglas J Renze            | "Jerry [Brown] is the equivalent of a          |
>| drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu     |  drive-by shooting."                           |
>| drenze@chop.isca.uiowa.edu |                                                |
>| drenze@aol.com             |         * NPR's Morning Edition, 13 July 1992  |
>
>

Sorry if this is off track, but I've noticed a similar problem while
watching Star Trek: The Next Generation. I can hear the music and the
sound effects great, but _occasionally_ the dialogue will dip to barely
audible levels. This doesn't happen very often, or for very long, but
it's happened enough for me to notice it. I'm just wondering if this
is a side-effect of shows that have stereo soundtracks, as I notice
Northern Exposure does. Has anyone else noticed this?

Troy Brooks
troy@cs.sfu.ca

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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Maggie a babe
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:17:30 GMT

In article <jp.2@usafa.af.mil> you write:
>How many you out there think Maggie is a babe?


Oh, YEAH....


William Thompson
<wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

" 'Oh, grow up, Fleischman.' "
    --Maggie, _Northern Exposure_
From: david@convex.csd.uwm.edu (David Stack)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:22:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: david@convex.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Oct13.045107.28845@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, by sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth):
> 
> Ok folks, what did you all think of this weeks episode?? I don't know why,
> but there was someting missing..HMMM..what..was it...don't tell I'll figure
> it out....AHH..Of course.. Maggie wasn't in it :-)

But she *was* in Chevy commercials than ran during the show.  I thought 
there was some kind of prohibition against this -- having an actor 
appear in a commercial that runs in the midst of a show they're starring
in.  But, of course, she wasn't starring in this episode...
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:23:48 GMT

In article <7188@transfer.stratus.com> cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.135853.21464@dptg.att.com> reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:
>>who wants to gamble that the "clock fixer" will stay on and make a play
>>for shelly?
>
>
>play for Ed, you mean......
We're not going to have another one of THOSE threads again, are we??? :-)
Now, if this did happen, imagine Maurice's reaction to THAT sort of thing in
his town....
Simon
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From: kkwwkk@mixcom.com (TA Shaw)
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Beer
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:23:25 GMT


I agree that Sam Adams is better than most wildly 
offered beers in North America, especially their
Dopplebock.  But if Rolf was drinking anything produced, well
almost anything, by Miller/AB/Coors then he probably
would spit it out.  By the looks of what was in his
glass I suspect that he was drinking one of these three.

I also made me wonder, why it took Rolf a while to spit it
out.  If I remember correctly, he had been drinking the beer
while by the jukebox and when sitting with Maurice before
he called it wasser.  Ususally one reacts immediately and
not several "sips" afterwards.

Give me a Sprecher Black Bavarian or Give me Ayinger Celebrator Ale.

TS
-- 
   "Life is a highway, I want to drive it all night long" 
    Tom Cochrane 
    1983 750 Maximum
    kkwwkk@mixcom.com                 shaw@mixcom.com
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:22:38 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Oct7.165617.17155@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> bturner@hpcvusc (Bill Turner) writes:
>
>[I don't watch "The Simpsons," but I've read that there have been
>references to "Dinosaurs" -- nice to see they both recognize each
>other!]
>

The two shows seem to have a friendly rivalry going on. They have
referred to each other, and it's usually some kind of friendly jab.
It's fun to see shows which can have fun with the "competition" and
not take themselves too seriously.

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From: mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Claymation or what?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:19:37 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Co

aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:
>>Are these people inside of costumes or what? I have head varying ideas
>>from claymation or puppets, etc. It just doesn't cut it...The characters move
>>too well to be anything other than a human actor. IMHO.
>I'm not sure, but I would guess that there are actors inside the
>costumes. There are probably some robotics involved also to control
>mouth movement (when speaking) and eye movement. I assume that the
>technique that they use is similar to what was done in the "Teenage
>Mutant Ninja Turtles" movies. In those movies, there were actors 
>inside the costumes.

based on a couple of newspaper articles, there's folks inside of some
of the characters, and not inside of others... the larger characters,
such as Fran, Earl, Robbie, Charlene, etc. have people inside very
large and very hot costumes.  the smaller characters don't have folks
inside of 'em... like the news commentator, Howard HandUpMe... he's a
hand puppet, hence his appropriate name (grin).

There's an incredible amount of robotics involved... managed by
computer, run by very talented people in control of it all..  The
first newspaper article said that Earl is run by a guy wearing
something like virtual reality gloves, when he twiches the second
joint on his pinky, the outside end of earl's left eyebrow wiggles,
etc... so you've got one guy inside, one guy working the faces, and
one guy/gal doing voices, which is why you see three people for each
of the major characters when the credits roll.

cheers.
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From: "alan kennedy" <alan.kennedy@canrem.com>
Subject: entertainment tonight
Reply-To: "alan kennedy" <alan.kennedy@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:05:18 EST

There was a little behind the scenes piece on Entertainment Tonight last
night about how everything works. But the big news was that they are
apparently planning a Dinosaurs FILM!
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From: nann@fraser.sfu.ca (Michael Craig Nann)
Subject: Re: voices
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:45:01 GMT

>>While I'm blathering.... I know that Ethyl is Florence Stanley, but I swear 
>>that it's the late Selma Diamond, the ? on "Night Court" (Roz, about two 
>>actresses ago.)  Okay I'll shut up now.
>
>yes, the voice could easily be hers, if she hadn't died some years ago.
>same hoarseness.
>
Actually, Florence Stanley ALSO did a season as the bailiff on Night Court
(either immediately before or after Selma Diamond, can't remember which).
Maybe that's what you remember?

>voice is stuart pankin, an actor who is more or less earl-shaped.  of course,
>earl's boss (his name escapes me. argh) is that neighbor from all in the
>family. :)

Sherman Helmsley (sp?), even better known from The Jeffersons.
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Claymation or what?
Date: 10 Oct 1992 23:48:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) says:

>Are these people inside of costumes or what? I have head varying ideas
>from claymation or puppets, etc. It just doesn't cut it...The characters move
>too well to be anything other than a human actor. IMHO.
>
>


I'm not sure, but I would guess that there are actors inside the
costumes. There are probably some robotics involved also to control
mouth movement (when speaking) and eye movement. I assume that the
technique that they use is similar to what was done in the "Teenage
Mutant Ninja Turtles" movies. In those movies, there were actors 
inside the costumes.

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