From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices (was Re: Sexuality)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.191743.7958@asl.dl.nec.com>
     dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:

>So, will I get special rights if I am a meat eater?

   We're not talking about special rights, Doug, just equal ones.
You're the one after special rights, after all-- you want your specific
belief system taught in the public schools, to the exclusion of others.

>All I am saying is that unless you can show me that homosexual sex
>can create life (as the heterosexual sex act does) than it is an
>un-natural act. Homosexual sex uses a human output device (waste
>disposal) as an input device. This is not natural and therefore
>should not be considered normal and should not be taught as an
>alternate lifestyle.

   This is an old argument, Doug.  I'm sure all the lesbians in the
audience are amused by assumption that "homosexual sex uses a human
output device," as are the 47% of all homosexual men who don't engage
in anal sex.

   Since you're so adamant to flame homosexuals for having anal sex,
let me throw statistics at you:

   (a) 10% of the population of the United States is gay or has actively
       participated in homosexual acts. (Kinsey, Pomroy, et. al.)
       (Actually, Kinsey stated that 33% of the population had at
       one time or another participated in at least one homosexual
       act.)

   (b) 60% of the population of the United States has tried anal sex.
       (More to the point:  Pomroy, Rice, Noble, et. al. put the
       numbers at 67% of American women and 47% of American men had
       had something inserted into their anus as sexplay.)

   Since both percentages refer to the same base (The population of
the United States), we can subtract (b) from (a), and what do we find?

   Assuming (1) that all gay men like anal sex (Not true... I know
quite a few that don't... reliable figures (Saghir and Robbins, 1978)
show that only 53% of gay men enjoyed anal intercourse.  Note the
study date was before the advent of HIV.) and (2) that the 10% figure
quoted in (a) represents ONLY males, we find:

   *AT LEAST* FIVE TIMES AS MANY HETEROSEXUALS AS HOMOSEXUALS HAVE
    HAD ANAL SEX.

   Also, looking at the Saghir and Robbins study closely, we discover
that 47% of all gay men don't have anal intercourse.  Please explain to
me, now that I've dissected your anal sex argument and found it
wanting, how you propose to hate those 4 to 5 million American
homosexual men who don't have anal sex?

   Please stop arguing that homosexuality is unnatural on the basis of
anal sex.  It makes you look uneducated.

   Meanwhile, heterosexuals are getting blowjobs and handjobs right
along with their anal sex, and they're using birth control, too!

   Face it, Doug, you're outmaneuvered on this one.

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
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