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From: webb@vault.tsd.itg.ti.com (Rosemary Webb)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Need to Talk...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:52:04 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, Tx.
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Kathy,

I know what you're talking about.  Whenever I'm depressed, I tend
to binge, especially when i'm alone.   To help figure out where 
to go from here, I suggest reading LEARNED OPTIMISM by Seligmann (sp?).
The book describes self-talk that leads to depression, and may help you
pick up on what's going on when you're home by yourself.

In general, a helpful technique that I've found to stop specific patterns 
of behavior I want to change is to (a) ignore the behavior I want to change
while I (b) find another behavior or two that I find more acceptable, and 
then (c) consciously and deliberately do these as gifts to myself.
This attitude  pulls me to what I desire, rather than making me feel deprived
and "bad" when I indulge in a less desirable behavior.  (Because if I'm "bad"
I don't deserve anything good, and it doesn't matter what I look like or what 
I do, because if I'm "bad" no one - not even god - will love me, so since I'm
bad I might as well sit in the corner under the dining room table and 
eat the entire 2-pound bag of potato chips, cause I'm "bad.")

NOT!  Behavior is undesireable.  A person is what they are, and any person can 
become different by engaging in different behaviors.  The longer you've engaged
in a specific behavior , the more effort you may need to make a habit of a 
different behavior, but IT CAN BE DONE.

Anyway, some of my "behavior more acceptable than binging " when home alone 
includes
- long, hot bubble baths
-  giving myself a hug
- listening to music or watching a video I've rented especially for the purpose
-  giving myself a foot rub or hand rub or other massage (be as creative and 
   sensual as you like - after all, you're by yourself)         
In short, anything you enjoy that suits your goals more than eating.  Sometimes,
I even make a special trip to a good bakery and buy myself a slice  (one slice 
only) of a rich chocalate cake, take it home, and concetrate on tasting every 
single (very small) bite.

Some times are harder than others.  Keep a notebook of what works (ignore what 
doesn't), with other important things that happen in your life.  Pay attention 
to how much you're sleeping and exercising and what part of your menstrual cycle
you're in when you have good days and hard days.  (The changing estrogen levels,
I find, really change how hungry I feel and how "weepy"/incompetent I feel.)

Try lots of things.  Repeat the ones that work.  Keep posting.
Be gentle with yourself, 'cause the rest of the world usually won't be.
E-mail me if you would like.

Best,
Rosemary Webb 
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From: barbaraj@csc.ti.com (Heart Dancer)
Subject: Re: Stop the Insanity
Reply-To: barbaraj@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:02:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.221919.17425@inmet.camb.inmet.com>, mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>> I was home with the flu last week and saw a "new" weight-loss person
>> on a 1/2hr local talk show.  Her name was Susan ? and her program was
>> called "Stop the Insanity."  Susan used to be 260+ and now is in the
>> 100 range (she's a size 2) and claims to have gotten that way without
>> dieting--she pushes low-fat eating and getting lots of exercise.  (She's
>> also looks a bit like Billy Idol, down to the cropped bleached hair.)
>> 
>> I liked her much more than Richard Simmons-- she was motivating without 
>> being overly sugary--and her program (as little as was discussed on the 
>> show) seemed sound.  I especially liked how she encouraged women to look
>> at the process as getting fit and strong rather than losing weight.  

Susan Powter's studio is here in Dallas.  I haven't seen her video, but I have
taken classes at her studio, (one or two with her, specifically).  The lower
level class, "New to Fit" is step aerobics, and is ideal for over-
weight people. As I have mentioned before, I am close to 300 lbs (and
getting further!) and I was definitely not the anomaly in any class I
took.  The instructors are well-trained professionals, and treat all
clients with respect.  They encourage each person to start from where
they are, with what they can do, and will provide some individual
attention.

She likes to keep things simple.  In order to lose weight, you have to
move, eat and breathe.  She advocates a very low-fat which is
accomplished by reducing (ideally eliminating) meat, dairy and sugar,
and increasing grains and legumes, fruits, and vegetables.  

I loved her exercise classes, but it's not particularly convenient for
me, and my membership at the onsite fitness center is much cheaper.
Still, I may go back.

BJ
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: food
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:15:33 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1993Jan27.205326.24910@emr1.emr.ca> thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:
>I disagree with you about Kerr, particularly in light of his
>book "Smart Cooking".  In it, he takes classic high-calorie
>foods and revamps them with reduced fat, meats and so forth.
>The results are pretty good.
>
>I'm not suggesting that this is diet food per se. But they are
>good recipes for those of us who love the fattening classics,
>but not the normal quantity of fat. I, for one, do intend to
>eat butter again some day.  And all six ounces of meat.

Well  you  are  now  talking about a "diet". The problem with diets is that
they   don't   work.   *Permanent*  lifestyle  changes  are  necessary  for
sustained  weight  loss.  Dieting only succeeds in lowering your metabolism
and  then  foods  you used to be able to eat pile on the weight when you go
off the diet.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan20.192330.3704@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)  
writes:

> 
> 8oz of fluid is 8oz of fluid.   The amount of solids in juice,
> or soda, let alone something like Crystal Light (Kool-Aid for adults)
> is negligible.  Do you think your kidneys know or care where the water
> comes from?  There's not even a significant amount of sodium in any
> of this; the only factor I can imagine being somewat, if not especially,
> important.

This is true, BUT you have to be careful that the liquids that you drink do not  
have caffeine in them.  I'm sure you all know the effects of caffeine.  

Basically, the water is there to keep you hydrated, and as it was mentioned  
earlier, to keep unwanted things cleansed from the system.  So, when you are  
excercising, you should drink extra water to replenish what you lost, but as  
for why do it during dieting... a guess would be that when you eat less food,  
you *might* have the tendancy to drink less too, so they want to make sure you  
don't slack off. :)


> 
> >and yes, I do need to use the restroom often :)
> 
> I suppose time on the can is time away from the fridge.

True!  :)  Also, when you are on the can, you are almost *too* aware of those
trouble spots (esp for us women :)

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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Need to Talk...
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:52:46 GMT

Ms. Kathleen Clark (clark@umbc.edu) wrote:
>   I have been watching talk shows for awhile now about how
> we seek food because of something that either happened to us
> as a child or something that we lacked in our childhood. I have
> thought about this for awhile, because I came from a great family
> and have never thought of any "bad things" that happened to me.
> My biggest problem is that I eat excessively (probably what some
> would call bingeing) whenever I am alone.  I still eat bad things
> [stuff deleted] 

I think it's a messy trap trying to self-analyze yourself
and searching for reasons for your behavior in your childhood.  Life 
is so much simpler if you just admit to yourself that you have a problem
and then look for solutions to the problem, rather than the cause of 
the problem.   I mean, what happens once you've spent hours agonizing
over your childhood?  Perhaps you found the source of your problem, 
but maybe you've just found an excuse to go on like you always have.
Whichever, you still have the problem right?  

It sounds to me like you eat when you're bored or understimulated.  
I do the same thing too.  The way I deal with it is to only stock
"safe" foods in my apartment.  Those are foods I'm not likely to
binge on.  The other thing is to provide yourself with stimulation.
I play with my cat or fuss with my hamster or house clean or get
out and go shopping or do something that involves using my hands so
I can't eat.

Acknowledge the problem, accept the feelings and then work on a
solution or a work around.  That seems to work pretty good for me.
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: temptations
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:45:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz) writes:

> Hi. I'm the original poster. I want to thank everyone who
>sent me suggestions on how to avoid the chocolate I was 
>obsessiong over. Unfortunately, I binged anyway. After working

I don't know how to control binging because I've never had that
problem.  (Finally - I problem I *don't* have)  :).

But I crave chocolate also and I found a way to have it.  I
have Andes candies.  They are little chocolate pieces that
have 25 calories a piece.

I can eat one or two of them and stop.  I was eating Halloween
size candy, which has 110 calories a piece, but I realized
that I didn't even want the whole piece, but I would finish
it because I started it.

So I bought the Andes candies because they're smaller.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: surviving plateaus
Keywords: diet plateau
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:21:43 EST

In article <Jan.20.10.08.47.1993.20296@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>
>>In article <grenus.727113797@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> grenus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Karen M Grenus) writes:
>
>>BTW, I was on 600 calories a day for 20+ weeks and recently was able to
>
>???
>
>What did you eat?  What made you decide to do this?  How much weight did you
>loose?
>
>I've never heard of anyone on such a low calorie allottment.
>
>-- 
>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
>Publications Coordinator - User Services
>Rutgers University Computing Services

This topic is interesting to me for several reasons....  
Lets see, first comment is that many moons ago when I was in highschool
I lived on 600 cals a day (you don't really want to know what I ate...
like 2 hotdogs with buns or something...) for a few years.  I lost the
initial 70 lbs or so and was at a good weight but it started creeping
back on (I must have jumped up to 800 cals! :) so I fasted for 4
days (guess I was a little nuts...).  Anyway, some how I managed to keep
the weight off for about 9 years.  

Now the thing is that I've relost that 70 (after regaining it and more)
on 1200 cals a day (approx. on WW).  Sure it took twice as long
but I feel alot better.

As for plateaus....I'm *still* 3 1/2 pounds from goal!  Ugh.  I've
been dancing around it since before Christmas!  I'm convinced that
my caloric intake is well suited for my current weight and 
exercise (love that health club!) and I'm going to *have* to
cut back....  I mean, from my understanding of plateaus they
seem to go away (or whatever) with time the weight will come off
but I'm losing patients with these 3 crummy pounds!  I'm upping
my exercise now that we're health club members by going more frequently
so maybe that will help.  Is there any chance that the weight machines
are slowing my down?  I'd find that hard to believe....

Margot



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  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:16:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1993Jan26.055657.25907@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> 
|> I think people should trust people who know something about human
|> physiology and be suspicious of claims which start with "water is good
|> for your complexion".

OK. When I meet someone who knows something about human physiology,
AND I trust them, I'll believe what they say about physiology.  But
I do NOT trust people just because they are the "top in their field".
So, until I meet this person(s), I'll continue drinking lots of
water.  As I said many appends ago (and was flamed for), I've
found that drinking lots of water does help me not only with 
weight loss, but it makes me feel better, too.  And no, before trying
it myself, I did not believe that drinking lots of water (i.e. more than I was
thirsty for) was necessary beneficial - but I figure it wouldn't hurt
so I'd try it.  I tried, it worked for me.  This whole group
is like that:  Here's what I tried - you can try it too if you like.

I think I understand what you're saying - there is no scientific
proof that drinking lots of water will help with weight loss (maybe
you're even saying that there IS scientific proof that drinking lots
of water does NOT help with weight loss).  And you're trying
to enlighten those of us who don't know. But, I've seen many things that 
science can't prove or explain, and I've seen things
that science has proven to be true to later be found false.


Thanks,
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: food
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:32:13 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

> Actually, you should eat relatively little meat--about 4-5 ounces a day,
> and the rest of your diet should be grains, legumes (beans), fruits and
> vegetables.  You're smart to delete added fats, but also be aware of
> the fat hidden in other foods, such as meat.

Agreed.  Except that 4-5 ounces of meat *every* *day* is actually pretty
extreme, based on historical and biological norms.  That much per week or
per month is more reasonable.

Watch out for processed and baked foods.  Check the labels.  They put fat
in almost everything.  Restaurants are a lost cause.

Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / wvenable@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) /  9:35 pm  Jan 26, 1993 /


>200 pounds eh Peter?  Watch out.  As of yesterday I am 127 pounds down, and
>gaining on you fast...  I have about 100 pounds to go, but already the
>doctor is starting to talk about "maintenance", whatever that is.  :-)
>
Hmm, looks more like you are 'losing' on me.  Congratulations!

Of course, losing the weight is the 'easy' part.  Rhetorical advice to all
losing a lot of weight:  Follow the suggestions very closely when you start
maintenance.  It's much too easy to regain all the weight.  It took me several
months to figure out what I needed to do to achieve stability, and a lot of
calorie balancing is a learned skill for us.

Pete Brooks
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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Stop the Insanity
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:19:19 GMT

I was home with the flu last week and saw a "new" weight-loss person
on a 1/2hr local talk show.  Her name was Susan ? and her program was
called "Stop the Insanity."  Susan used to be 260+ and now is in the
100 range (she's a size 2) and claims to have gotten that way without
dieting--she pushes low-fat eating and getting lots of exercise.  (She's
also looks a bit like Billy Idol, down to the cropped bleached hair.)

I liked her much more than Richard Simmons-- she was motivating without 
being overly sugary--and her program (as little as was discussed on the 
show) seemed sound.  I especially liked how she encouraged women to look
at the process as getting fit and strong rather than losing weight.  

Has anybody heard of this or seen her video?  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Should I try Weight Watchers?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:25:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

hitchens@math.utah.edu wrote:
> My downfall there may have been not finishing the maintenace period (but of
> course you are very confident then that you don't nee it, after losing all the
> weight). 

I didn't finish their maintenance period either, but I think after doing
it for a few months you've pretty much got the idea.  Sticking out the
entire year is silly, unless you really like doing it, and eating their
food 2 days a week.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Deal-a-meal
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:40:16 GMT


Someone help me!  I would like to find some information on how to get Richard 
Simmons' Deal-a-Meal diet program.  I bought his Sweatin to the oldies video 
but there is no information in it.

Thanks!
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
From: Adrith.L.Bedore@dartmouth.edu (Adrith L. Bedore)
Subject: A beginner's questions..
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:48:20 GMT



Hi everyone.

I've been reading this newsgroup for two weeks, and I have decided to
start over. God knows how many times I've tried to lose weight, and it
never worked.

This time I want it to work.

First of all (and I know this may seem strange), what music do you
listen to when you exercise? The reason that I pose this question is
that I was given a copy of the soundtrack from the movie _Cool World_
last weekend. Didn't think that I would like it at all, but after
listening to it a couple of times, realized that a lot of the music is
technotronic stuff.. the lyrics are really off color, but the beat is
good. I was wondering, what kind of music does everyone listen to when
working out?

Second, is there someone out there who would be willing to start an
E-mail/ snail-mail/telephone supportnet in the NorthEast? Or anywhere.
The college I go to doesn't have an overeating support group (which
really stinks!!), and I am finding it really difficult going at it
alone...

Any comments/criticisms, helpful suggestions, and words of advice will
get to me at

adrith@dartmouth.edu

Regards and best wishes,
Adrith

************************
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.........
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:43:07 GMT
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

In article <1993Jan25.161231.8059@crd.ge.com>, berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery) writes:
|> 
|> > Tracy says
|> > Lots of people eat salads, right?
|> 
|> Reminds me of a line by Dame Edna Everage (aka Barry Humphries).
|> "I'm eating nothing but salads these days. They can be quite good you
|> know, salads. Especially those PORK CHOP salads, and the CHEESE CAKE
|> Salads, and..." Had me in stitches anyway.

My aerobics class has a "salad lunch" a couple of times a year.  We
cut the class a few minutes short and then drag out all our salads.
Well one time one of our members brought in a 9x13 pan that appeared to
be just lettuce.  She just opened it up and set it out with all the other
salads without saying anything.  The first person who tried to spear a 
piece of lettuce found it was an entire pan of brownies covered with a 
layer of lettuce.  Our sheepish cook said she decided we needed some 
"brownie salad" to "round out" our meal.  Now none of our salad lunches 
would be complete without someone bringing "brownie salad".

Jan
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:34:19 GMT
Subject: Re: skin
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) /  1:57 pm  Jan 21, 1993 /
>Join the other 98% of the human race.  At least you probably don't
>draw a crowd on the beach now.

200 pounds ago, a friend (similar weight) and I would regularly use the
hot tub at the local Elk's lodge.  We'd always joke about the one-legged
guy with the harpoon...

Pete (not a whale) Brooks

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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:59:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1993Jan20.192330.3704@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.173016.29874@watson.ibm.com> kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com writes:
|> >I don't know WHY it's important, but I do know (from personal) experience
|> >that it is important.
|> 
|> What important happens to you when you drink all that water?
|> 

On weeks where I drink lots of water (6-8 glasses/day), I feel better and
sometimes lose weight.  I don't know WHY - and don't much care,
as long it works and is easy to do.

Thanks,
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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