From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Guilty?
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:19:03 GMT

In article <Bvv5FC.FvE@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>
>The context was women as soldiers:
>
>[M. Bickis]
>> Why do I cling to this belief?  Because I believe that gender is an
>> essential aspect of society, and gender is associated with more than
>> just sex and pregnancy.  If I strip the concept of gender down to its
>> essentials, I find a nurture vs. protection dichotomy.  To be feminine
>> is to be nurturing, nourishing and *non-threatening*.
>
>[Janis Cortese]
>> Ridiculous.  If I had a kid and someone threatened it, I'd slit their
>> throat wide open and drink their blood with a smile in my face.  In the
>> wild, as you say, women are the protectors and providers for their
>> children.  This requires that they have a greater capacity for general
>> nastiness than any male.
>
>In light of the controversy over Will Steeves' statements,
>let me recall some responses.
>
>Keith Cochran wrote:
>> While some men will only THINK those thoughts, some men will ACT on those
>> thoughts.
>> And that seems to be a pretty good reason for throwing out every "spousal
>> notiication" law in the book.
>
>
>Now, let me pose some questions to the above posters (and interested others):
>
>. Is Janis Cortese's statement that she would +smile+ while drinking 
>  someone's blood to be taken literally?  

No more so than if Will had said, "...I would probably snap right there,
and kill her while playing a polka".

>
>. Is Janis Cortese violent?

I don't consider her to be.  I don't think you can be said to be "violent"
for saying that you would protect your children.  I think that's a pretty
healthy parental instinct.

>
>. Is Janis Cortese an unbalanced woman who should be kept away from children?

Nope.

>
>. Would Janis Cortese slit someone's throat for bumping into her child
>  on a subway car?

*THREATEN*

>
>. Would Janis Cortese slit the throat of a child who threatened her child?

Isn't this just a tad *too* hypothetical? Or are you just trying to drum up
support for Will?  (If this is leading into the "but Will was just trying
to protect the life of *HIS* child, I'd like to remind you that I don't
consider it a child until it's born).

>
>. Would Janis Cortese smilingly slit the throat of a mother who stopped
>  a fight between their children by yelling at them to stop or grabbing
>  one of them?

*THREATEN*

>
>. Should the moderators of soc.feminism be held responsible for having
>  posted a threat to anyone whom the unbalanced Janis Cortese imagines 
>  is antagonistic to her child?

Isn't this getting just a tad too hypothetical?  Will made a very explicit
statement.  If a woman showed him so much disrespect as to have an abortion,
and not only not tell him immediatly afterwards, but waited a year, he would
probably snap right there and kill the woman on the spot.

Janis has made a general comment about protecting the life of her children.

I think most people disagree with the former and agree with the latter.

>
>. Should we outlaw knives?

Why?  Should we outlaw women?

>
>. Mothers have done such things.  Should we restrain all mothers?

Why?  Should we restrain all fathers?

>
>I think not.  In particular, I saw no reason to interpret "with a smile
>on my face" as a sign of violent insanity; rather, it seems a figurative
>description intended to emphasize her point.

I'll agree with you there.  What does this have to do with Will's post?

>
>I'm curious about other opinions, though.

Here's mine.
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