HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
Subject: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:52:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.184912.21340@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Assuming that *is* Marky Mark in the Calvin Klein ad in this
>month's GQ (and even if it isn't), he can hold his
>well-sculpted whatevers against me anytime he'd like.

Yes, that is definitely Marky Mark.  The NY Times had an article when
Calvin Klein signed Marky Mark to do his underwear ads.  It was full
of wonderful double entendres, with Calvin Klein saying things like
he hired Marky Mark so he "could have him just how he wanted him."
I, for one, was amused.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 03:10:21 GMT


In article <mattm-131192142712@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>I am not an 'activist' - 

Just about everybody knew that, really we did.

>and do not believe it is the responsibility 
>of a drama school to try and change dominant social perceptions.  

Of what institutions *is* it the responsibility?

-- 
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: PLEASE! no colorado boycott...
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:00:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov7.220044.1320
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

At the risk of sounding like an armchair activist, could I make a
suggestion to some of the folks organizing in Colorado?

Get some well respected lesbigay rights group in Colorado, probably
EPOC, to come up with a list of what people outside Colorado can do to
help Colorado overturn measure 2. Then take this list, and send it to
*every* lesbigay paper in the country, as well as the national
magazines (Advocate, Deneuve, ...), and the progressive press.

A lot of us outside of Colorado really don't know what's going on
there. There's been very little in the media. We want to help, but we
don't know what to do. If you want us to boycott, tell us to. If you
don't want us to boycott, tell us. Tell us where to send our money.
Tell us who to write letters to.

I'm sending this suggestion off to EPOC with a check.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/    The look in his eyes when it hit - kid, it was tasty...
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: German chaos continues
Keywords: neo-Nazi, Germany, bigotry, immigrants
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:31:13 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Ron Rizzo writes:

>There are even public comparisons being made to the Weimar republic of
>the 1920s, whose weak grip on the country was dissolved by increasing
>political chaos, as it became helpless to stop extreme rightwing and
>leftwing groups from literally fighting in the streets.

Sounds like a vision for AmeriKKKa in the nineties if we all don't
continue to work towards sanity.  CO-2 is evidence of this.

Oops, I guess that makes me an extreme leftwingist.  With no right
wing, one quickly enters a spin...
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Re: Have there been protests in Colorado?
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:21:22 GMT

flier@excalsys.excalsys.com (Rich Reynolds) writes:


>In article <1992Nov6.034545.27035@reed.edu> (soc.motss), nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> I'm curious - what sort of direct actions have there been in Colorado?
>> Any major protests, riots, planned vandalism? Anything?
>> 
>> We're not going to get that news from the papers, so we have to rely
>> on people in Colorado to tell us.
>>                 __
>> nelson@reed.edu \/                      When you expect flutes, it's whistles
>> 

>Riots.....Vandalism....

>Get real....

>All that would do is help the shitheads prove that we are not
>deserving of equal protection.

I don't know. Sure looks like it worked in California after AB-(insert number)
got vetoed....


jari
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Nevada was: (Re: Colorado)
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:30:24 GMT

In article <BxDrA5.66q@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
(Jim Hubbs) writes:
>I saw
>the following bumper sticker on a pickup truck with Nevada tags
>in Carson City:
>
>Burn Fags, not Flags

Not even original.  The same slogan was graffiti'd on the door of the
UH Women's Center (where the school LGB group meets) last month,
accompanied by a swastika, and signed "WAR" (White Aryan Resistance).

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: Colorado embargo?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:41:07 GMT

In article <BxBALG.9pK@scd.hp.com> may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com writes:
>The Entropic one (entropy@world.std.com) wrote:
>: Obligatory Colorado company to boycott-
>:  Colorado memory systems-1-800-432-5858
>
>Was just bought by Hewlett-Packard.  Again HP has a non-discrimination
>policy which covers gay & lesbian employees. 

Does this policy protect CMS employees? Personally I would only make
boycott exceptions for companies who have written (and enforced) policies
against discrimination (I'll still include all companies in the list since
other people may want to boycott everything). 

Since this is a battle over discrimination, I think allowing companies
to avoid the boycott if they have non discrimination policies is reasonable.
If the end result is companies adding non discrimination policies to avoid
the boycott that is a large benefit in itself.

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From: jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The SF Chronicle ( was: Gay Presidents)
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:32:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov11.203238.24137
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <BxKACz.DKz@queernet.org> max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:

>Also in that issue, a rather large story about the Mayor's plan to 
>clean up the streets in SF.  Included in the effort is a new bumper
>sticker, available in English, Spanish, and Chinese, that asks:
>"Have YOU picked up a piece of trash today?"

Ooooooo!! I want one of those. Better yet, I'll take a dozen (for stocking
stuffers, you know).
From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:53:33 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


So we here in Colorado weren't vigilant enough, eh?  Just sat
around being complacent, eh?

Well, where the hell was the outside CO-2 concern BEFORE the election?
I imagine if half the attitude and energy that's being put into
punishing Colorado had been put to proactive use, we wouldn't
be having this discussion.

It's so much easier to condemn an action we don't like, than to
work against it in the first place.  


-Maureen Axtell
 Cray Research, Inc
 Colorado Springs, CO
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: travel to new zealand in january
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:38:12 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

I knew it!

In article <1992Nov6.190452.11806@cs.tu-berlin.de>,
bene@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Benedikt Homann) writes:
> [posting for a friend]
> landscape architect from germany, Berlin,aged 31, will 
> travel to New Zealand next year between January 28th 
> and February 28th. I intend tracking on the South Island.
> ...
> Other interests besides my profession are classical music,
> opera, dancing, chatting about everything important.

I saw this on soc.culture.new-zealand,
and thought, "Hmm... Opera? Dancing?"

Keep on tracking!
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: powilait@cs.uwp.edu (John Powilaites)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:41:24 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Colorado Letter
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:36:08 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>For that matter - on to the whole letter!  Finally!  I can do
>an "Anatomy of a Jesobyte!"

And I can dissect a Melm-o-spurt. Yay.

>  To whom it may concern,

[Trite; not proper in business letters]

>  Years may pass, but not so my longing for that natural beauty,
>  God-given and without equal, which rises from the Earth and
>  gives foundation to your state. Even in memory, those peaks
>  of granite and ice burn into my mind the very strongest of
>  emotions.  Many, many times have I come to see them, and
>  not once have I returned from the journey disappointed.

[Far too florid for a business letter. Awkward wording
distracts the reader and fails to establish formal tone.
Third sentence poorly parsed; 'come/return' improperly
paired; 'gone/returned' preffered.]

>  And yet, now, quite a different wonder of Colorado burns
>  itself into me.  What, I ask you, could have possessed
>  a people so rich in the wonders of nature to reject the
>  equality of their fellow man?  Wherein the beauty of 
>  contempt and hatred?

[Repeated use of burning imagery highly insensitive when
writing to businesses in wooded areas. Use of first person
too informal. 'Fellow man' cliche' and sexist. Appeal to
emotion improper and ineffective.]

>  I will not visit Colorado again, until the naked bigotry
>  of Amendment 2 has been rejected.  The mountains shall 
>  remain forever beautiful in memory and dream, even if the
>  reality of their keepers has turned ugly and dark.

[Needs expansion and stress; more focus on the monetary loss
of the state and its direct relation to the amendment. Again
(and overall), much too florid.]

>  Sincerely, and with sadness,

>  J. Anderson

[Wrong name.]

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47435 pnw.motss:82
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: OR Prop *8* overturned
Keywords: New Republic, mainstream press, magazines
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:54:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov13.155437.11061
Organization: insert anything here


	Yes, that is *8* not *9*!

	I read th8is morning in the Boston Globe that a court has
overturned the 1988 Oregon Proposition 8 sponsored by the OCA
which negated the gubernatorial executive order protecting gays
and lesbians d from discrimination.

	:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

	Whee, the Navy, OR:8 all in one week.  This is incredible.

	The OCA will now hafve to put time/money/energy into a higher
court - thus making their new-and-improved-measure-9 effort [sic]
tougher to get off the ground.  I have no doubt that the defeat of
9 was somehow fuel for this great retribution.

	And things are in motion in Colorado - it's starting to
look like 1993 might end up being "the year of the queer".... :-)

BBC
Xref: sparky soc.motss:46221 talk.religion.misc:20495 sci.skeptic:19071
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.religion.misc,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Genetic oversimplification of homosexuality.
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:02:00 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Bill Rea (cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz) re-wrote:
 
> Bill Rea (cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
> > 
> > Actually just because an animal engages in homosexual sex doesn't mean
> > its a homosexual. We used to raise bulls on the farm and they were always
> > fingering each others rears, but I suspect that most of them would have
> > preferred a cow if given half a chance. 
> 
> It has been pointed out that the euphemism `finger' for the penis is not
> obvious. For those who didn't understand the `fingering' that the bulls
> were doing, they were engaging in homosexual activities. 

I'm sorry, but the euphemism 'homosexual activities' is
no more obvious.  Were the two bulls kissing?  Hugging?
Stroking each other's backs?  Holding hooves?  Shopping?

If you mean to say that one bull was observed inserting
his penis into the anus of another bull, say so.  There
is no deficiency of vocabulary here.

Nor is your verisimilitude enhanced by the gratuitous 
addition of offensive clarifications like "I suspect 
that most of them would have preferred a cow...."

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: The GLBO-Centered Film List
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:53:06 GMT

Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) writes:

>Looks like there were some glitches in my first upload.  Let me
>try again:

>************** Cut Here **************

>The GLBO-Centered Film List
>compiled by Frank Swilling


>***** GLBO-Centered Domestic Documentaries *****

<list deleted>

This list is kept available in /pub/QRD/qrd/info/LISTS/glbo-films on
nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in what is called the Queer Resources Directory.

Any questions, email me.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a cure for AIDS in the marketplace before
Magic Johnson gets AIDS?" --Vice-President J. Danforth Quayle 11/13/91 on CNN.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:35:15 GMT

In article <25380@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com (Christina Black) writes:

   Maybe democracy *does* work.

You obviously haven't heard about Colorado yet. :(
From: susan@cs.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Traveling west - any suggestions?
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:45:34 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


HI!
 
I will be traveling to the west coast the week after Thanksgiving.
I plan on driving from Knoxvile, TN to Yuma, Arizona then eventually
to Berkeley.  
 
Can anyone give me suggestions of lesbian friendly restaurants, clubs,
hotels, etc along my route?
 
From Dec 1 to Dec 5 or 6, 1992, 
I will be traveling I40 west to either I25 south (at Albuquerque) to I10 west
to I8 west to Yuma (where I have a friend to visit).
OR I40 west to I17 (at Flagstaff, Arizona) to Phoenix to I8 west to Yuma.
 
After several days in Yuma, I will travel up the California coast.
 
Thanks bunches for the info.
 
-susan
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:42:25 GMT

tc> Tom Christiansen

tc> Aren't you committed to hiring and devloping the most capable and qualified
    individuals?  

  Yes.

tc> Why should selection and placement of an employee be based on anything but
    the ability of the individual to meet the requirements of the available 
    positions?

  It shouldn't be, and those employers who follow this line of reasoning, will,
  by definition, be more successful than those who don't. That will take care
  of the problem of discrimination without putting people in jail, and having
  the state decide which morality to legislate.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Boycott Worse than Pointless
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:10:44 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>or will the be the official soc.motss softball team?  now, THERE'S an
>idea - softball-style t-shirts, with the team name as the Totalitarian
>Tinkerbells!  what an item!  i want one!

Whoa! Cool! Kin I be # 69?

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 13 Nov 1992 14:55:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <BxoCw6.K73@queernet.org> 
rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.151255.17143@tc.cornell.edu>
> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>
> >Actually, the primary role of the CMU drama school *is* to
> >prepare professional actors.  [...]
>
> This is unconscionable in an undergraduate program.

If I'm not mistaken, these students are working towards
a professional (B.F.A.) rather than an academic (B.A.)
degree.  In any case, I'm not crazy about these programs
in general, and I think people interested in pursuing
acting as a career would do a hell of a lot better
studying at, say, HB or at a real conservatory.  Besides, 
no one has ever been cast in a plum role because he or she 
has been able to wave a diploma in the casting director's 
face.

Arne
Xref: sparky soc.motss:46911 alt.flame:14593
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:31:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov10.183156.24715
Organization: insert anything here

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>I wrote:
>>But... but... he was right, wasn't he? CO-2 isn't nearly as bad
>>as OR-9. OR-9 would have mandated state homophobia, and made it
>>required curriculum in state-run schools. CO-2 just struck down
>>antidiscrimination laws. CO-2 is bad, but OR-9 would have been
>>much worse.

>>So what did your friend say that was out of line?
>Then Bob Donahue wrote:

>>	Congratulations!  For you a FREE CLUE has been planted in 
>>Bolivia.  Simply go there to redeem it and valuable prizes.

	Etc.

>Meow! Someone got up on the wrong side of life this morning. You
>ought to give some kind of warning to these postings; you know,
>something like "Summary: Attitude Queen on the rag... Proceed
>with caution". (How's that for flamebait?)

	How about just engaging your brain?  Why go thru all
the intermediaries who are trying just to get you
to recognize some simple facts?

>Okay, you guys win. CO-2 is just as bad as OR-9. And herpes is
>just as bad as AIDS. And scratchy wool is just as bad as
>polyester...


	Oy, which part of "duh" eludes you?

	Let's try it on a real simple level: when matters of
oppression are involved there is no relative "bad".  It
exists, that is enough to serve that it needs to be eliminated.

	Or for the MSNS level: bad is bad, OR:9 is bad, CO:2
is bad.  You can even do a Bush impresison to say the bad-thing if you
want.  Just keep repeating it until it sinks in.  You don't need
to compare them, in fact deciding one isn't so bad is *exactly* what
Lou Sheldon wnats you to do... Lou who?  Look it up dearie.

	Then get involved.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Orange County Went Democrat?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:52:29 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1dn53pINNjeg@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> Is this a concerted effort by Republicans to get rid
> of him?  I think he's an embarrassment *period*.  I wonder
> what the Republicans are going to do when Dannemeyer
> decides which race to enter (for Senator or governor)
> in 1994.

Loose again.  If Barbara Boxer can beat a split Republican
party, anyone can.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: The SF Chronicle ( was: Gay Presidents)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:10:11 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov10.212612.22188@oracle.us.oracle.com> dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
>In the November 10 issue of the San Francisco Chronicle is a 
>news snippet entitled, "What's Going on in the White House Closets".

Also in that issue, a rather large story about the Mayor's plan to 
clean up the streets in SF.  Included in the effort is a new bumper
sticker, available in English, Spanish, and Chinese, that asks:
"Have YOU picked up a piece of trash today?"

Hmmm....count me in!


-- 
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|  max@queernet.org  |   Max J. Rochlin   |
+-----------------------------------------+
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47201 talk.politics.misc:59774 ca.politics:9535
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:23:42 GMT
	<69332@cup.portal.com>
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

'Ya know, I've heard that we gay/les/bi people are 10% of the population, and
I've heard we're 1% of the population, and I've heard we're 40% of the
population. I've never done a survey of it myself but it sure seems to me like
a heck of a lot more than 10% of the people I know are gay/les/bi. In fact, 
outside of my family (in which only I have dared to leave the NJ area, let 
alone come out) almost everyone I know is gay or bi, and most of the rest
have told me that they had same-sex sexual experiences on more than one 
occasion and liked it, even if they are not interested in doing so now.
In fact, of all of my current male friends, only one has never had a same-sex
sexual experience that I know of. One. And folks, I'm not one who makes any
particular attempt to meet gay people instead of straight people. I used to
think all of my friends were straight... until one by one they have come out
to me.

Now, I don't doubt that my case is slightly unusual, but it sure seems to me
that for it to happen in the first place, there has to be a decent 
concentration of gay/les/bi people in our society.

			Tom