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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Info about Return of the Jedi script
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:37:58 GMT

morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo Strikes Back) writes:

>In article <BuFoqv.2st@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>> This post gives information about the Return of the Jedi script that will
>> be posted to this group.
>	I don't want particularly to be a harpy or anything, but posting the 
>script is illegal.
>	Insert ominous "IMMINENT DEATH OF USENET" remark.
>	Someone attempted to post the text of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
>to alt.fan.douglas-adams a while back.  He lost net.access.  
>	rec.arts.erotica is moderated in part so that no one posts copyrighted 
>material to it.

I don't want to go through this argument again, but there ^ it is. Since I
am distributing the script I get to state my opinion.

First of all, the script I have does not contain any sort of copyright
notice. Maybe there is an implicit copyright on any published work, but
there is no explicit copyright notice. Also, this script is not a published
work since the version I distributed was a working (shooting) script.

Now, if the script is a copyrighted work, which I'm not sure of,
then I agree that technically distribution is illegal. However, the movie
studios have chosen not to restrict the distribution of movie scripts.
There are companies in Los Angeles that charge $18 for photocopies of any
script you want, and they don't pay any royalties to the studios (except
for a very few select scripts - NOT the Star Wars movies). In fact, the
movie studios sometimes buy from these companies, and these companies have
been around for at least ten years.

The point is, and I can't stress this enough, THE MOVIE STUDIOS THAT OWN
THE SCRIPTS HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO RESTRICT THEIR DISTRIBUTION!

My philosophy is that if there is a legal way to purchase the script,
where the royalties make their way back to the writer, then I will do so.
However, all the books containing the scripts are out of print, and none
of these books contain early drafts of the scripts.

Until George Lucas decides to make the scripts (all versions) available to
the buying public, there is absolutely no difference between paying some
bozo company $18 to photocopy it for you and getting an electronic copy
on the network, except that you get to save $18.

So there.

					Greg Martin
					g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 16:12:25 -0400 
From: Jeffrey Todd Chambers <jcai+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Darth Vader's x-rays 

Have you ever noticed that, at the end of ROTJ,  when Vader picks up the
Emperor and is struck by the Evil Master's lightning his skeleton
becomes visible.  If you don't believe  it then watch it in slo-mo. 
Kickin effect!!!
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Jurrassic Park?
Date: 6 Sep 1992 21:01:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, bender@riscee.pko.dec.com (Patricia Bender) says:

>In article <92242.225328MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>_Death Becomes Her_???  I am *anxiously* awaiting Jurrassic Park, however, but
>>---
>>Mike Weintraub   mweintr@auvm.american.edu   Solaris on IRC
>
>Okay, after seeing a couple of post mention this movie, I have to ask what
>is it?  Plot?  Actors?  I'd assume sci-fi, correct?

It's from a novel by ... Peter Straub?  Anyway, from what I understand, 
it's about a Dinosaur Theme Park where things gat a little bit ...
real.

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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising/delta source
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  9 Sep 92 01:16:06 GMT

In <1992Sep8.104048.4753@walter.cray.com> goldman@orac.cray.com (Matthew D. Goldman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.214313.3945@desire.wright.edu> arang@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>I think it's the computer...Luke was using it before he went after C'Boath and
>>before he was delayed.(I thought I read something about Thrawn thinking Luke
>>was headed to meet C'Boath only to run into him someplace else).
>That would make sense, we have been shown that there can be backdoors
>on secure systems.

Yes... and we know that it's likely that the Emperor would have had
such an override hardwired into the system, given that there was one
hardwired into the main computer systems of every Star Destroyer.
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		Of hope and promise on dragonwing.
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From: kam@ddsw1.mcs.com (Kevin Mitchell)
Subject: Re: What Happened to Star Wars?
Keywords: SW--no longer available
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:41:52 GMT

I used to project for a film board at a local university. Anyway, 16mm
prints of films were usually pulled from distribution prior to a real
theatrical release. So, I'd speculate that they're going to release
the Star Wars movies in major theatres. Or, that they're limiting 
distribution prior to the release of a new episode. 

I remember projecting ANH when it was released. Because of the volume
we rented, our Films, Inc. rep gave us first dibs when it came out 
in 16mm. The reels I got had no leaders/trailers, and smelled like
developer. They were scratch-free and clean, and looked great even
with an anamorphic lens on a 16mm arc-lamp-modified Bell and Howell
classroom projector. I got goosebumps pulling the reels out of the
carton--a real Star Wars print! Brand new. We had it the first weekend
of release.

A few years later, my wife and I attended a *Triple Feature* at the
same university. 7 1/2 hours. We took a grocery bag full of goodies
and sat in the front row of the balcony. Since this was a university,
we had audience participation. We cheered the good guys and booed and
hissed the bad guys.

Those were the days.


-- 
Kevin Mitchell -- kam@chinet.chi.il.us -- Chicago, IL
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Looking for a SW figure
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:31:13 GMT

From article <92259.204144JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu>, by JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu:
> Does anyone out there have an Annikan (or however you spell his name) Skywalker
> figure?  My best friend has been looking for one for about a million years and
> I would like to surprise him for Christmas.  If ANYONE out there knows where 1
> is or has one they would like to sell, I would greatly appreciate it.  Please
> contact me through my E-mail address (JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu).  I hope someone
> out there can help me!!!

	Yes, I have this figure.  No I'm not willing to part with it.

	Why bother saying so?  Why bother posting your message 3 times.
 
 TTYL
 Chris
 "Low tolerance"  :)
From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Keywords: Vader Piett TESB
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:27:34 GMT

Why didn't Vader kill Piett? 

Maybe he was running out of people to promote :-)

It takes a lot of people to run a big ship like that, I think ... or maybe
coming into contact with his son turned him into a kinder, gentler villain ...

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From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Info about Return of the Jedi script
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:57:24 GMT

If possible, I'd appreciate scripts to all three movies, as well.

Emailed, of course. :)

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From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS Revamped!?!
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:38:16 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep11.111216.2308@wkuvx1.bitnet> futrena@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>The movie "gods-that-be" are beginning to re-edit very
>popular older movies FOR RE-RELEASE!!  For example, they are
>re-editing and re-releasing the cult classic, _Blade Runner_.  For all
>of you Cyberpunk fans out there, it will be a movie to remember.
>
Well, that's one. Except for Spartacus, I don't know of any others. I
wouldn't call it a trend.

>I predict that they will re-edit and re-release, your favorite and
>mine, _STAR WARS_ and _The Empire Strikes Back_.  Keep in mind, this
>is only a guess and prediction.  There has got to be at least 30
>minutes worth of footage that was cut from the original _STAR WARS_. 
>Just think of _STAR WARS_ in LucasFilm Surround Sound STEREO.  I get
>goose bumps just thinking about it.
>

I don't have to think of Star Wars in surround, I have it. Just get a
laser disc player and a surround sound unit and Star Wars letterboxed
(it's only a measly $69 unless you join Columbia) and you're set. As for
an expanded version, I'm NOT holding my breath for it, nor is anyone
else that's a Star Wars fan because I just don't think Lucas cares
enough to do it. Maybe for the 20th anniversary, but this is it's 15th,
and I haven't seen anything yet.

=============================== Mike Gaines ============================
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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Is there a Collectors' newsletter?
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:45:04 GMT

Martin Thurn <mt2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>  Greetings all,
>  Does anyone know of any newsletter(s) aimed specifically for Star Wars
>collectors?  If there are none, then I am going to start one, so feel
>free to send me some ideas if you wish.  
>  Thanks and MTFBWY,
> - - Martin Thurn        thurn+@cmu.edu

The closest thing I know of is the Lucasfilm Fan Club - I joined over
two months ago and have received NOTHING since, except my canceled check
of course. Does anyone have a phone number for the club so I can call
and ask what's holding things up?

Anyway, back to the newsletter. I'd be psyched to help out, so send me
e-mail when you're ready to start brainstorming.

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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From: goose@camelot.bradley.edu (Bradley Riley)
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Keywords: Vader Piett TESB
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:08:29 GMT

In <1992Sep11.084736.13705@pyra.co.uk> XXX@pyra.co.uk CHANGE THIS TO YOUR NAME writes:


>Good Folks,

>I have a question which has been bugging me for a long time.

>In  TESB,  when  Admiral Ozzel emerges with his battle fleet too  close  to
>Hoth, thus allowing the Alliance to force a surface attack from the Empire,
>Vader kills him.

>In the same film, when Captain Needa aboard the Avenger loses the Millenium
>Falcon in the pursuit, Vader kills him also.

>Yet  when  Admiral Piett loses the Millenium Falcon at the end of the  film
>due  to  its  jumping into hyperspace (despite reassurances from  Piett  to
>Vader  that  the  hyperdrive  aboard  the  MF  has  been  disabled),  Vader
>apparently  does  nothing  by way of a reprimand.  Lo and  behold,  we  see
>Admiral  Piett  very much intact in ROTJ.  This in spite of the  fact  that
>Vader  warns  Piett,  "Don't  fail me again - ADMIRAL !"  (great  line  !),
>shortly after doing away with Needa.

>What  forces  this  apparent  lapse in ruthlessness from  Vader  ?   Is  it
>intentional,  or is Vader so totally obsessed with finding Luke toward  the
>end of TESB that he lets it pass, assuming he has bigger fish to fry ?

>I think we should be told ! What do you folks think ?

Well, another argument has been presented.  

I believe that Vader was too enraged at the time to kill Piett.   Plus, the 
fact that the Admiral Ozzel and Admirall Needa were oldtimers as far as
Navy operations.  Considering the quick rise of Admiral Piett, it is possible
that he might not have the stirrups roden tight yet, but showed great potential
for operations.  I think Admiral Piett recieved some respect from Darth Vadar
for his authority over his command but still showed fear from Darth Vadar.  Any
power hungary jerk would like that.  So, the story is not entirely told once
again.


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and live at peace with our hearts
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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Star Wars big obvious blooper!!!!
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:25:59 GMT

From article <1992Sep4.145021.6070@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, by cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig"):
> Has anyone else noticed that at the end of Star Wars, when Luke gets back after
> blowing up the Death Star, he gets out of his X-Wing, and turns to Leia who is
> running up to greet him, and shouts, rather loudly, CARRIE !!!!! Now either Leia
> changed her name by deed poll, or Mark Hamill severely fluffed his lines. (but
> I'll forgive him anyway if he did.)
> -- 
> 
> This is a signature....

I think we've had this arguement already, and from what I recall from the
last time, I am not alone in my belief that he is saying "Hey!" instead 
of "Carrie."  Of course you are not alone in your belief either.  Apparently
it's a topic open to some dispute, but that's not new here, is it  ;)

 

It's not that I like the Empire.  
I hate it, but there's nothing 				Jules
I can do about it right now! 
	- Luke Skywalker.
From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: T.D.E. Analysis
Date: 10 Sep 1992 13:50:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep9.153126.5170@gw.wmich.edu> x91fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	How about that Dark Empire?  The art seems to be good quality,
>but there are some things that merit serious discussion, seeing as how
>the FAQ lists TDE as canon, while other netters find it mildly blaspemous.

>	The following is my analysis:

>1.  Han and Leia and Lando seem to have been written in a manner consistent
>    with the Trilogy and Zahn's books.  This is cool.

I pretty much agree with your other [deleted] points, but as far as number
1, no way. You think Han is consistent with the movies? Ughh. He isn't an
asshole, and that is how he comes across in the comic. I think he is a hard
character to peg, and they missed totally. And the way looks is pretty bad
too. Even on the cover of #1, he looks like he gained 20 pounds :)

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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:50:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.012548.2075@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:

> 	In a way you are both right.  I doubt that "Darth Vader" could be 
> literally translated from one or two languages.  Looking at words in some
> other languages, though, shows the link more clearly, without need for
> pronunciation..For example German "father" is "vater"
> 
> Dark  Vater
> Darth Vader

I remember from WAY back when I was in about grade 9, my English teacher 
handed out a sheet which had a whole bunch of words on it that were 
similar to their English equivalents. On of the words was "vader", which 
was, I think, the Dutch word for father. I'm not sure where "darth" came 
from, tho', but I'm sure it means "dark" in another language. One of Ben 
Burtt's favourite language making techniques was to take words from 2 or 
more languages and to string them together, and not bothering with 
making it "grammatically correct". Eg. the Ewok language was a 
combination of some European language and Swahili. Perhaps someone with 
the "Star Wars to Jedi" video could verify this. Matta ne.

                                                    -=]> Max <[=-

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS Revamped!?!
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:17:40
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com's message of 11 Sep 92 20:39:14 GMT


beh10> Content-wise I hope that they NEVER change any of the Star Wars
beh10> films.  I think they're "perfect" as is! However, if they want
beh10> to release the movies with THX Dolby Surround, you'd get no
beh10> complaint from me! (The cost of the equipment to play it back
beh10> is another story...)

Hey the LBX LD of Star Wars sounds just fine in it's Dobly sound
surround format. 

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                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (Taylor, Daniel K.)
Subject: Return/Revenge
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Green
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:16:00 GMT


	What is the story behind the switch from revenge of the jedi to
  Return of the jedi? I still have a patch and some newsleters that have
 "Revenge of the Jedi" logo on it...it was on Bantha Tracks...
is stuff like this worth anything?

dan


Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 12:21:13 -0400 
From: Paul Joseph Mitchell <pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
	<1992Sep4.230722.27802@informix.com>

>My pet theory on this is that perhaps levitation/flight is an attribute of the
>good side of the force, not the dark side.  You notice we never saw Obi-Wan 
> shooting Darth with lightning bolts.  We never saw Yoda make a little
pinching
> gesture and make Luke gag.

But we DID see Luke make a little pinching gesture and gag some
Gamorrean Guards in ROTJ when he first entered Jabba's palace...
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Kenner and the future of Star Wars Toys....
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:30:50 GMT

pip@pro-freedom.cts.com  writes:
> Well, just for the hell of it, I captured the list of the figures that
> people would have liked to have seen made into Star Wars toys, and some
> other information (no names, etc) and sent it off to the marketing Manager
> of Kenner (with whom I used to communicate with regularly) and inquired
> about if they were going to do any new toys, or will be involved in the new
> --and hightly rumored-- Star Wars movies. I also asked if they had any
> plans to re-issue the original toys again.
> 
> Instead of a usually friendly reply from them, I got a letter from the
> legal department that said they could not release any information on
> upcoming products, as that is highly confidential...etc...etc....etc.
> 
> They also went on to say that the y could not say that they would or would
> not be involved with any new Star Wars toys...
> 
> 
> ------------------'
> PERSONAL OPINION :
> ------------------
> 
> HMmmmm...Sounds like they sorta went out of the way to deny anything.... :)
> 
> Who knows, maybe there will be some interesting developments soon, or in
> the near future....
> 
> Dave


It is highly unlikely that Kenner will ever make another Star
Wars toy.  George Lucas was reportedly always unhappy with the
quality of Kenner's work, and VERY ticked off at an agreement
between 20th Century Fox and Kenner giving them exclusive
rights to Star Wars toys.  Of course, if these rights are "in
perpetuity" (as they may well be), and if Lucas is really
adamant about not having Kenner produce any more SW toys, there
may not BE any toys associated with the new movie.  This also
seems very unlikely, to say the least.

Any of you older hands (Ray?) care to comment?

Steve
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From: dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS Revamped!?!
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:35:44 GMT

meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:

>In article <1992Sep11.111216.2308@wkuvx1.bitnet> futrena@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>The movie "gods-that-be" are beginning to re-edit very
>>popular older movies FOR RE-RELEASE!!  For example, they are
>>re-editing and re-releasing the cult classic, _Blade Runner_.  For all
>>of you Cyberpunk fans out there, it will be a movie to remember.
>>
>Well, that's one. Except for Spartacus, I don't know of any others. I
>wouldn't call it a trend.

Aliens 2 - Special Edition
Close Encounters 3rd Kind - Special Edition

there must be more...

regards


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