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From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:05:21 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1iep15INNdag@transfer.stratus.com>, det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
> If anyone involved in DS9 production is monitoring, please read this.
> 
> Minor spoiler ahead:
> 










> 
> Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
> I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
> should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.
> I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
> duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
> be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
> against the wall).

Maybe he's hollow...

> 
> It would be well to further define his environmental requirements.
> Does he require oxygen (or some other atmospheric gas)?  Can he survive
> high/low atmosperic pressure, what temperature range can he survive in,
> does he have similar requirements to humans for food and water?

Hmmm... and how hard (or easy) is it for him to maintain his shape...
for example could he get sucked through a little hole?

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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Re: DSN - Where does the Nine come from?
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:34:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.162352@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:


> Deep Space Nine  -  why 9?
>            ^^^^
> The wife says it comes from the "nine missing tears of the prophet".

> Yes?  No?  Don't Know?

> TRAVIS
> hhtra@hou28.chevron.com

Maybe, but I don't think so.  I think it is simply the ninth deep space 
station of the Federation (the same way that planets are named by their 
solar system and then their number from the sun).  It's just that the other 
eight stations aren't nearly as interesting.

Besides, Deep Space Six would be too confusing.

John
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:58:03 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan7.143400.3656@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:

Spoilers follow, so beware...


[Kira's battle with the Cardassians.  I said it seemed selfish.]

>	I don't see it that way.  She basicly had no choice.  Either
>surrender and be tortured or whatever ("You know what they do to the
>prisoners") by the Caradssians, or go out fighting.  Like she told O'brien,
>there was no way they could win with what weapons they had - she had to
>bluff them and I think she did it quite well.

I didn't explain myself all that well.  Take 2:

It wasn't so much what she said, or what she did.  If you watch this episode
again, watch her face.  The look on her face when she decides to fight is one
of "I'm going to die, and take everyone in this space station with me, but
I'm finally going to get those bastards."

Maybe I just read to much into a look, but I thought that she was doing it
all because it was her last chance to get revenge, so she was going to take
it, no matter what it cost.

Although I'll still take that over surrender any day! ;-)

>	Oh orgasm!  If everything about Trek stops tommorow, I can say
>that that ship being "eaten" by the Borg's beam was easily the Koolest(tm)
>thing I've ever seen from any show or movie!  :)

Well said!  I couldn't agree more.  That's got to be the best effect I've
ever seen.

>	I thought the Galaxy class ships were the first to be designed
>to be specificly seperable in battle.  The ships that were fighting looked
>older.  I mean, the 1701-C wasn't flying around without it's saucer in
>_Yesterday's Enterprise_ and that ship looked like a new model than
>most of the ships in the battle.

I'd read (on this newsgroup) that all ships could seperate the saucer, all
the way back to the original Enterprise.

Of course, one must be wary of what one reads on the newsgroup. ;-)


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From: woan@exeter.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan)
Subject:  Tuesday Night Review "Emissary" !SPOILERS!
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: woan@cactus.org
Organization: Austin School of Hardknocks


In article <1993Jan6.004239.577@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>Story:  A+	This was a dandy storyline, and even had me, someone who
>		read a little of the spoiler information, surprised at
>		many parts.  

I totally disagree... I think it was simply just too long and drawn
out with too many of those oh so wonder coincidences like the timely
arrival of Brooks with the Cardassian (sp?) ship in tow...

>Special FX:  A+  A hundred thousand words by me would be insufficent to 
>		describe the pictures.  See them for yourself and you'll
>		see what I mean.  best bits were the Borg battle scenes
>		and the wormhole.

I though the DS9 model and intro sequences bit big time.

>Music:  C+	I'll give it credit for being more interesting than TNG,
>		but it does need to be more odd than it was.  I do like
>		the title music though, more of a sweeping style theme
>		that takes its time rather than a pompous-sounding trumpet
>		blare.  Allow some more odd synthesizer tricks such as
>		we heard in the religious temple and in some of the dream
>		bits (the backwards music comes to mind) and then we'll
>		really be cooking.   The show has the stories and the look.
>		The sound will finish it off.

I'll agree with this... The intro was really just plain bad.

>Overall grade (scale of one to ten):  10

My overall grade would be just a 5 with typical STTNG in the 7 range.
This show just seemed too cheap and cheesy. It can only get better
with the characters becoming better developed. The only real saving
grace was the Major Kira character which I loved... The actor playing
Avery's son was exceptionally bad...
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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: after finally seeing ds9
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:14:36 GMT

Q6B7 <Q6B7@UNB.CA> writes:

>Now that I have at last seen DS9, a comment. It was really good! It will
>get even better with character development, but the FX were fabulous!
>Even the story was really good. A+ Rick and Michael. But! Why, when
>O'Brien was on the bridge of the E,was there no one in the "big chair?"
>Who the hell was in command? Even in spacedock somebody has the bridge.
>A minor detail.

Numerious times we have seen no one in the 'chair' - in this particular
case it stood out since no 'regular' was on the bridge that is all.
The bridge officer was looking at another station, nothing glaring.
-- 

                      Glenn E. Host - Reston, VA
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From: kmeyers@nyx.cs.du.edu (Karl Meyers)
Subject: Re: after finally seeing ds9
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:35:58 GMT

In article <C0pppz.EBA@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:
>A chief can be commissioned and advance to either warrant officer
>(lots of respect) or an ensign (no respect). Many chiefs choose
>to go warrant because ensigns tend to be treated like they don't
>know anything. The advantage of going ensign is that warrant officers
>are not allowed to command ships.

I think that's one of the problems with most people's assumptions of
O'Brien's rank.  He *is* called "Chief O'Brien", but he might be a 
Chief Warrant Officer (which is one level below ensign, as I recall)
as opposed to a CPO (which seems to be the common belief of most 
viewers, because of somethng said in an earlier episode [the one with
Worf's foster parents, as I recall...], which may have been in error).

Comments, anyone?  :)

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From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The worms within...
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:06:21 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

U15289@uicvm.uic.edu wrote:
: In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting in a
: humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the same species
: that figured in an episode of TNG, in which Dr. Crusher was romantically in-
: volved with a man who was also a host for a wormlike creature (an ambassador
: of some sort), who had to be parked in Riker's body temporarily until the
: new host (a woman, who ended the episode by saying she loved Beverly) arrived?
: 
:                                               Mitch Pravatiner
:                                               U15289@uicvm.uic.edu


could this be a SPOILER
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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: DS9's new doctor and Checov
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:07:46 GMT

At least to me, a "Dr. Julian Bashir" who speaks English with a British
accent seems to indicate a Palestinian or Lebanese Christian-- there ARE
Arab Christians, you know--who got his training in London.  But I am sure
that languages and cultures gotten even more 'muddled' by then than they
are now.
In article <C0HKEH.31D@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
 
>
>AHEM.....
>        Dr. Bashir may be of arabic descent, but this DOES NOT MAKE HIM
>AN ARAB NATIONAL OR EVEN MUSLIM  His first name is Julian for Allah's sake
>and he has a british accent so maybe just maybe he might be British????
>Come on people we didnt see sisko and presume he was from the Ivory Coast
>did we?  *Ratzafraggin closed mind...*
>
>--
>"Salam and good evening to you sir.  Welcome to Agribah, land of mystery
>of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Going Away Party-NOT
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:49:01 GMT

In article <C0MMuo.LoB@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
>
>I could hardly believe my eyes. Here's lovable old O'Brien slinking off the
>Enterprise by himself. Not one of his so called friends (except the Captain,
>of course, it was his 'duty') to see him off! Where was the Party, the gifts,
>the back patting 'You were the best transport chief we ever had' sentiments?
>Hey, come on even a 2 week temp. worker at least gets a thanks. Of all the
>flaws in DSN this one takes the cake or not as it turned out. Isn't there a
>Miss Manners in the 24th Century? :)

	Maybe they just don't like him. :)

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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Whoopi Goldberg
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:52:59 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <NNTAS.93Jan8213839@decwks.GSFC.NASA.Gov> nntas@decwks.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Tim A Sauerwein) writes:
>
>I know this is late but I just noticed that Leonard Nemoy is the guest on
>Whoopi Goldberg's show 1/8/92.  Might be worth watching.
>
>TS


Hoh! Give me a certain tuned-up delorean and I go back in time
and watch it... :-) ... You are talking about the wrong year, pal!

- Jarnis
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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Did parts of DS9 dragged?!
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 18:07:13 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1993Jan8.160216.14616@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan8.112936.7243@leland.Stanford.EDU>, trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
|> |> In article <1iit37INNmbi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> yjc@po.CWRU.Edu (Y H J. Chan) writes:
|> |> >
|> |> >Is it my imagination or that the trip in the wormhole dragged a great deal?
|> |> >The other parts were kind of alright ...
|> |> 
|> |> I think you're absolutely right.  The whole wormhole sequence was mixed with
|> |> the rest of the plot and dragged for about 45 minutes.  While the concept
|> |> and the content were good, I think they could have accomplished what they
|> |> wanted in a lot less time.
|> 
|>    I never heard anyone complain about all of that "wasted" time in
|> "The Inner Light" when they developed the plot... it was artisting
|> and engaging.

You're right - we didn't complain and it was artisting and engaging.

However, none of those three things was true about the wormhole sequence.
In Inner Light, stuff happens - at least we as the viewer see stuff
happening - just some stupid crystal thing repeating "what is this?" about
a million times.
All that happened in the wormhole sequence is we learned more details about 
Sisko and his family (an interesting ~2 minutes - the other 45 minutes 
was wasted boredom).
It reminded me of the first ST movie:
  <everyone staring at viewscreen>: "What is it?"
				    "I don't know."
				    "What do you think it's going to do?"
				    "Let's wait and see."
Boring to the max.

Other than this, I really liked DS9 - maybe it'll be better as a one
hour show - that won't have as much time to kill.  That's what it seemed
like to me - filler.

Someone that was watching with me loved that part - "they're talking
about the age-old question of man and what are we doing here" - oh yeah?
You think they'll come up with an answer in 2 hours? bleah.


just MO.
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: DS9's new doctor and Checov
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:35:04 GMT

AHEM.....
	Dr. Bashir may be of arabic descent, but this DOES NOT MAKE HIM
AN ARAB NATIONAL OR EVEN MUSLIM  His first name is Julian for Allah's sake
and he has a british accent so maybe just maybe he might be British????
Come on people we didnt see sisko and presume he was from the Ivory Coast
did we?  *Ratzafraggin closed mind...*

-- 
"Salam and good evening to you sir.  Welcome to Agribah, land of mystery
of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Is there a boot "Hotel Royal"?
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:31:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) writes:
: In article <zrsjp01.726136862@zmcipdec1> zrsjp01@zmcipdec1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Peter Jesinger) writes:
: -> 
: -> Does the book "Hotel Royal" which is mentioned in 
: -> a ST:TNG really exist?
: -> If yes, can anyone give me the ISBN Number please?
: -> 
: -> Thanks
: -> 
: -> Peter
: 
: 	The Library of Congress catalog database doesn't have a book
: with that title, so if there is such a book, it probably was not
: published in the US.
: --
: Jason C. Austin
: j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

Please be aware that the Lib Cong. Database is not complete. If the book was
published before about 1970 the LC Database would not have it listed.

pmichals@csn.org
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kira - ick
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:20:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <ewright.726735710@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1993Jan9.003158.27136@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>>I disagree.  I though Kira's character was played quite well by Nana Visitor,
>>and although she may have, at times, had a tendency to overact, 
>>I think this
>>is only natural considering the nature of her character (an incredibly
>>passionate freedom fighter). 
>Even incredibly passionate freedom fighters have ways of showing
>those passions besides screaming at the top of their lungs (when
>played by competent actresses.)

	Which Nan Visitor is.

	At least, none of the pros I work with have a problem with her.
-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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I'm snarfing the top few lines from this post from news.lists:

| Newsgroups: news.lists
| Subject: NewsStats, article counts
| Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:58:59 +0100
| 
| NewsStats
| =========
| Cumulative traffic, by article count, on ira.uka.de during the last week.
| 
| A companion article lists by article size.
| Only the first 250 lines are printed.
| Crossposts are counted correctly; sizes include headers.
| Suggestions as to the usefulness of this posting are welcome.
| 
| Articles  Bytes   Newsgroup
|   1432   5527819  bionet.molbio.genbank.updates
|   1349   2331106  soc.motss
|   1306   2253569  rec.arts.startrek.current
|   1284   1915822  comp.sys.ibm.pc.games

So out of--what 1800--newsgroups, only two had more articles posted to
them than r.a.s.current.

I'd defintle be in favor of a split, but most of the recent proposals
seem to either be too encouraging for cross-posting or too confusing
for newbies.

                --Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer     Quayle/Limbeau '96
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ottoh@cfsmo.honeywell.com  :..: .:.:. :    :.' .. :`.': .:.:. :`. :   Star Trek
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From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Subject: Re: You Call That Torture?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:24:57 GMT

In <1993Jan5.150743.24914@wam.umd.edu> myleslee@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward) writes:

>I was just thinking, since Picard has already been converted into a borg  
>at one point in his life and gone through all that trauma, Cardassian  
>torture should be a walk in the park for him??
         Oh??? 
         Why's that? I mean, when Picard became Locutus, they merely placed
some electronics and mechanics on him (rather, essentially "dressed" him
in a suit of techno-armour), and plugged his mind into the hive-mind of the
ship. In CoC, they implanted a small device just under his skin and used it
to cause *extreme* pain in *any* part of his body. On top of that, they (the
Cardassians) where using some rather strong brainwashing techniques to
break him. Long drawn out situations where one cannot rest/recover properly
are much more damaging than something that was all but over within minutes.

>Just a thought.

>Al

Ciao
James G Currie
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From: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Subject: Re: Data (Brent Spiner) was the doctor in Alien^3?
Reply-To: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:48:53 GMT

In article <C0G4AF.8vs@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umoster0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean K. Ostermann) writes:
>In <1993Jan6.060256.1@cc.utah.edu> eyring@cc.utah.edu writes:
>
>
>>Data (Brent Spiner) was the doctor in Alien^3?
>I don't think so.  You are talking about the guy that slept with Ripley
>right?  If you are then that isn't Brent Spiner.  The guy who played
>the doctor doesn't have the pointy nose that Brent Spiner has and is
>a little more beefy that Spiner.  AS well, he was British (I know
>moot point because they are ACTORS).  I'll have to watch it again but
>I think you are wrong.
>
>Sean
>
>
>
The doc in A3 is definitely not Spiner. I've seen that actor before in another movie. Can remember which one. I've seen Spiner without his makeup. The is no resemblance. By the way, Spiner showed up a couple of times on Night Court as a father of a very poor family from the country.
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