From: Donald.Wen@f201.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Donald Wen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Iczer-3 (was  Nausicaa no longer #1!!!)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:39:50 GMT


 MJ> Alan Takahashi (takahash@ntmtv.UUCP) wrote:

>>Rational?  Who cares about rational?  We have a show about cute girls
>>in school sailor suits who fight evil demons, and you expect
>>**RATIONAL**????????   :-)      (Alan was talking about SAILOR MOON)

 MJ> Hmm... Somewhere along the line here people have decided that
 MJ> I'm anti-Sailormoon and anti-Iczer-3.  I'm not rational, why
 MJ> would I expect the anime I watch to be rational? :-) [Hey I
 MJ> liked Licca remember :-)]  As i said I haven't seen any
 MJ> Sailormoon so I can't really comment on that...

>> Actually, the main similarity between Sailor Moon and Iczer-3 is that
>> the main characters are cute...Iczer-3 being insufferably so...

 MJ> That's "kute" for Iczer-3 :-)

 Do you know that the voice actress is a prpfessional wrestler named
 Cuty Suzuki?  Overkute, not overkill, isn't it? (g)

>> Seriously, the reason I don't like Iczer-3 is that:

 MJ> [Going by present flame wars on the net this means you are more
 MJ> mature than me as I like Iczer-3 :-)]

>>   1) "Iczer-3" ignores most of the events in "Iczer-One"...particularly
>>      anything pertaining to the Iczers themselves...

 Well, Iczer One, now a noble leader, is leading Chutulu (??) to a
 never-never land (what has she been doing for three years after the end
 of "Iczer One"?), Iczer Two was supposedly "dead" until episode four
 (and everyone else look it up!!), and Three fills in as comic relief (I
 dubbed her SDI, super-deformed Iczer, not Strategic Defense Initiative,
 no way!!)  Things get interesting between Iczers One and Two, though,
 in episode six, but I wish I had the script.

 MJ> Having no translation of Iczer-3 I won't and can't comment on
 MJ> that, but I would be interested in a few examples. In fact if
 MJ> any one has any scripts or synopsi for Iczer-3 please email me.

Michael, there is a BBS in the Bay Area called Megaroad (415) 964-6315.
If you don't mind the long distance, it carries an assortment of
anime-related GIFs, scripts and stuff.  There is a zipped file,
ICZER3_1.ZIP, that contains the synopsis to the first episode.  I could
not find any other, though, but still looking.  I'm not a Compuserve or
any online member, except San Francisco PC Users Group, of which I am a
member and the BBS carries this conference.  BTW, Alex Spoerer, the
co-author of above synopsis, no longer runs the 2032 BBS mentioned in
the file, so don't bother calling the number.

>>   2) Nagisa underwent an inexplicable and sudden personality change
>>      during the course of the OAV series...from a frightened and
>>      confused young girl to the pivotal person who had all the
>>      answers.  Witness her interactions with Atlas...

 MJ> Actually I've seen that in real life.  [Well maybe not the
 MJ> alien invasion bit]  Its an amazing thing see when someone
 MJ> suddenly finds thier backbone. Mind you, I think I'm going to
 MJ> have watch this again with that in mind. Is Atlas, Atoros?  The
 MJ> dark-Iczer?  If so I'd say that Nagisa always coped well with
 MJ> the small and cute...

 It is Atros, BTW.  And just because she has dark hair hardly justifies
 her as a dark-Iczer.  She developed doubts after a fight with Three, in
 episode four, when the ever-knowledgable Nagisa stepped in to convince
 her that she shouldn't fight, and later developed a kind of mother/
 daughter relationship with her (bleaugh!!)  Which isn't to say I didn't
 like the series, but then I was constantly bombarded by negative
 comments or "flames."  Flame on...NOT!

>>   3) The middle of the series was pretty much complete formula in the
>>      traditions of the worse giant robot shows... :-)

 Okay, we are seeing a more gawdy, grandiose version of Iczer Robo, but
 that is limited to episodes two and six.  Then there is Iota, the
 robotic lion and Bigro's (the cat lady) partner, and Golem, the leader
 and transformer of the four baddies.  So there isn't too much mecha and
 this series seems to have more character development, esecially towards
 the end.

 MJ> I don't know about that, I cheered when Iczer-2 got her act
 MJ> together and shot Iczer-3 [I hate it when villians brag/play
 MJ> around and basically blow their chance to win.]  There were
 MJ> digressions to the formula and once I figured out this wasn't
 MJ> meant to be as serious as Iczer-One and relaxed [have a
 MJ> homebrew] I enjoyed it.  Its not a Wings of Honneamise but who
 MJ> cares?

>>   4) The series just didn't *go* anywhere.  By the time I got to
>>      part 6, I really couldn't care less what happened to Iczer-3
>>      or Nagisa.  This is a bad sign...boring the audience.

 Both Iczer-One and Iczer-Three series ends the same way: the astriod
 zaps into space, except that Iczer-Two seems to go her own way in the
 latter.  If Iczer-Two could come back, I wouldn't be too surprised to
 see Atros coming back in a future OAV series: maybe by then she will be
 called Iczer-Four??

 MJ> Iczer-One doesn't go anywhere either.  The earth is in the same
 MJ> state it was before the start of Iczer-1 :-)  It didn't bore
 MJ> me, in fact I bought the box set!  [Mind you, I wouldn't have
 MJ> bought them seperately, the box set is far cheaper]

>>   [Why did I watch all 6 parts?  I was vainly hoping that things would
>>    get better, since I *did* like "Iczer-One"...]

 MJ> Out of curiousity was this in one sitting?  I think I first
 MJ> watched this one or two episodes a night.

 MJ> One thing I can't work out is why Atoros is called Atoros not
 MJ> Iczer-4 [although it was an indication of her final fate].

 You will find out in episode six.

 Regarding the boxed set, couldn't they have put the six episodes on all
 three sides of CAV disks instead?  Or is there something else on the
 disk that I should be aware of??  How about the booklet: how many pages
 are there?  I bought a Bandai book "B-Club Special: Iczer-3" for $26.70
 at Kinokuniya a while back.  (ISBN4-89189-159-9, 2200yen).   It is
 essentially color shots of the episodes, character designs, and an
 eight-page spoof by Ikkou Sahara.  All in 112 pages, 64 in color.  So
 what's in the booklet included?  I was contemplating a trade-in of my
 six original disks for the boxed set, IF IT'S WORTH ANY LOSS.  And how
 is the picture quality of the CAV disks?


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