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From: peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Penny E. Breyer)
Subject: Nerving information
Followup-To: Net wisdom needed on nerving
Summary: Thank you everyone who wrote!
Organization: University of Virginia
 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:25:48 GMT

I just wanted to thank everyone who wrote to me with opinions
and advice about having Tex nerved.  As of right now, no
decision is going to be made until we have him vetted (again!)
in the springtime after his six months of field board.

In answer to some questions, the vet seems to think Tex would
be a good candidate - he's still (relatively) young, and in
great shape otherwise.  Probably the biggest problem would be
keeping him quiet in stall rest after the operation!  I'm sure
my mother would be very interested in looking into the new drugs
available - I'm printing out all of the email and news postings
and mailing them all to her, so she can share them with the vet.
If we opted to have it done, the operation would be at New Bolton
Vet Center - the big animal hospital at UPenn.

And on a final note, no, unfortunately I am not related to the
Breyers who make Breyer model horses - I only wish!  When I was
younger I thought it was great that there were these nice model
horses with my last name.  I had tons and tons of them - I used
to play with them for hours.  Silly me - I gave them all away
when I was 15 or 16, not knowing any better!  I console myself
with the thought that they were all scratched up from my games
with them.

And totally unrelated to this, Kay S. asked me if my mom's name Kay
was short for anything - nope, it's just Kay.  She passed along
the favor to me by naming me "just" Penny (not short for Penelope)
and making me have to explain it for the rest of my life!  :-)
I had several Sunday school teachers that insisted my name was
Penelope!  Argh!  :)

Again, thank you all very much!  I'll post more when a decision
has been made.  If any of you hear anything new about treatments
for navicular, please please send it to me!  Any and all information
is welcome!


Penny Breyer
peb2g@virginia.edu
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: STALL AVAILABLE
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:18:43 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mary Anthony (mary@cloudpeak.tivoli.com) wrote:

: I am posting this for a friend so please do not respond to me.


: Stall available at small, privately owned barn. The stall is a box stall with
: an attached run.  Tackroom and turnout also provided. There is no ring on the
: property.

: The board is $175.00 a month.  If interested call Carla or Jed Adams at
: 288-5455.

I assume that this is in TX fron the (now deleted) signature, but that's all.
This is even worse than the horse and tack for sale postings.  At least
those are moveable commodities. :)  You really ought to put more
information in an add of this nature, like say the location of the barn.

Karen


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Horse GIF Update (Part 3)
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:28:55 GMT



    

      **********  HOW TO GET THE HORSE GIFS   **********


Follow these directions to get the gifs from my FTP site.



From your Unix prompt enter:

ftp commsun.its.csiro.au     <The IP address is:  152.83.8.2>

When you get the login prompt enter:

anonymous

When you are asked for a password enter your email address.
You should then get a prompt that looks like this   ftp>
Next, enter:

cd /staff/jen187

If you now enter the command  ls  you will see a number of
gif files. To get them, enter the following commands:


 binary

.. and then

get ozhorse1.gif

( This will then (hopefully) start the transfer to your machine. )

.. and then

get ozhorse2.gif

.. and so on.

To finish the session enter:

quit  OR  bye


_____________________________________________________________________

If you have any problems with this, feel free to email me:

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au
_____________________________________________________________________


ENJOY!


 
-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:50:24 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <1993Jan7.005858.4711@nb.rockwell.com>, reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:
|> 
|> a few days to arrange a vet exam.  A deposit, if taken, should be a commitment
|> to purchase pending vetting.  Unless the horse doesn't pass the vet, I
|> wouldn't consider a deposit refundable.
|> 
|> Diane R.

I agree.  Purchasing a horse can be as tramatic as purchasing a home (except
for maybe the price).  When purchasing real estate, you pay earnest money 
(deposit) which is refunded only (in most cases) if the house does not pass
inspection.  If the buyer changes his/her mind, he/she loses the money.  The
same should be for selling/buying a horse.  Of course, this is only my opinion.

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
From: cawalto@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOANNE WALTON)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding Boot Suggestions?
Summary: Short Leather Riding Boots Needed
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:15:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1imr7dINNaij@ni.umd.edu>, floyd@ni.umd.edu (Jim Matthews) writes...
> 
>I am interested in buying a pair of short leather riding boots and I was
>wondering if anybody out there could suggest a good type of boot, and the
>names of catalogs to order from.  I've looked in the local stores, and the main
>types I've seen are the Thinsulate type for about $130.  Is that what I should
>expect to pay?  Is that the kind of boot I should be looking for?
> 
>Any leads on catalog names and types of riding boots would be much
>appreciated!
>					Stephanie (using Jim's account)
>-- 
> ____                           |
>(   /	   floyd@wam.umd.edu    |       University of Maryland
>   /._ _         eng.umd.edu    |          Computer Science
>\_/// X \         ni.umd.edu    |        Standard Disclaimers


Hi Stephanie,

What do you want these boots for, show or just around the barn?  For show 
you really need the long ones, I've only seen the short jodpur boots worn 
by kids, I guess they are cheaper?  For around the barn, the short boots 
are fine, since those types of boots are in style now, I would probably go 
and get a cheap pair of "Jodpur boots" at the mall.  For warmth, the 
Thinsulate boots are GREAT!  I bought a pair of Millers Warm Toes riding 
boots this year and I LOVE them.  I have the long type, and paid $50 for 
them, the short ones were even cheaper, I don't remember how much though.  
$130 sounds VERY high.

Whatever kind you decide on, I would advise against getting boots out of a 
 catalog unless you have already tried on the exact same brand and kind at 
the tack store.  Boots can be awfully hard to fit, and you may be stuck 
with a lot of return postage before you find a pair that fits.

Good Luck!

Joanne
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: Trakehner decision
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:57:46 GMT

In article <3480020@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:
|> I don't know much at all (translate to 'anything') about breeding.  So
|> could someone please explain what 'cull' is???
|> 
|> Thanks
|> Kim K
|> 
|> 


If you have a breeding program going, you may, for example, breed
several mares to one stallion.  Depending on what you're trying to accomplish,
you keep the offspring from those breedings that best meet your criteria
and sell the rest (i.e., "cull").

For example, if I were breeding for halter horses (horses that will
win in a show ring under a halter judge), I might sell all those
that I think wouldn't do well in a halter class.  That doesn't mean
that a horse that doesn't do well in a halter class couldn't end
up being a champion roper, dressage horse, eventer, reining horse, etc., etc.

(Ah, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and pretty is as pretty does.)

Mary Lee
Ravenswood Apps
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Brags and hugs
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:45:34 GMT

dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:

>Sammi is doing great!  She's not there yet but everyone at the barn notices
>how much better she looks now than she did before.  Her muscles are firming
>up, she has more stamina-although i'm not expecting too much for starters.

Good for you!  My mare, who is now 18 benefitted from a couple of
years with a friend of mine who used her as a school horse.  She was
mostly used for beginner lessons, with the occasional jumping lesson
for one of the teenagers.  She thrived, liking the mostly long, slow
work.  Now that she's in semi-retirement she has kept her fitness
lots longer than she used to.  ~

>She still stumbles a little.  She developed a small problem in her left hip
>while we were apart, and she's sometimes reluctant to use it.  She has an
>occasional cough, which bothers me but the vet doesn't think i should worry
>about it much.

The same with Bailey.  She went to Kemptville College last winter to
be a school horse there for the winter.  She went in October, and by
December she was quite lame.  Turned out she has arthritis in her hip
and the small circles in a damp,cold arena  made her very
uncomfortable.  She came back to my friend's barn and from there back
to Toronto with me.~

She also has an occasional cough.  When I first had her I spent a
fortune on various breathing medications.  Waste of money!  I
switched barns and had her mostly living out - no more cough.  She
coughed the other night while I was cleaning the stalls.  But this
was after being in all day because it was pouring rain, and there was
some dust in the air because of shavings.  The temp has now dropped
and the air has dried out.  She is no longer coughing.  I wouldn't
worry too much.  With appropriate management, coughing doesn't need
to be a big problem (unless of course you intend to compete to a
strenuous level which requires really good wind).
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Quarter horses
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:21:52 GMT

micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz) writes:

(story about looking for a quiet Quarterhorse to ride Western and
the amazing price they get for such horses in Germany deleted)


I just had to reply to this.~

It is amazing what is popular in different places.  As those of us in
NA know, to get a good German warmblood horse, can cost a fortune.
Quarterhorses and grade horses suitable for what Michael wants can be
had very inexpensively here.~

My mare is an 18 yr old Quarterhorse.  I bought her at 11 for $1500
Cdn dollars - and that included the previous owner trailering her to
me (a 2 hr trip).  She goes English, but that is only a matter of
training.~

I expect that people in the mid-west - western US could help Michael
out.  If not - I am friends with the show managers for Quarterama
(held here in Toronto at the beginning of March).  They also breed
and show Western pleasure, etc.  I could find out more from them if
you would like me to.~
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Net wisdom needed on nerving
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:55:04
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.intel.com
In-reply-to: peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU's message of Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:54:57 GMT


peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Penny E. Breyer) writes:
] Summary: Thumbs up or down on nerving for navicular?

Thumbs down especially if you plan to keep riding the horse.

Nerving will stop the pain, but that will lead to more
rapid deterioration of the foot and eventually the horse
will need to be put down.

The usual treatment for navicular is frequent ( 4 week )
trimming and corrective shoeing by a competent ferrier.
A horse at my wife's alma mater ( SUNY Cobleskill ) was
navicular but was used as a school horse many hours a
day 5 days a week, UNLESS she missed a trimming.

Long toes severly agravate navicular. For this reason,
pasturing the horse where it might not get trimmed
often enough would be a real disservice to the horse.

If your vet and ferrier think the ailment isn't too
far gone, keep the horse active but frequently reshod !
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: fidgety...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:17:00 -0500

B_>I've seen too many excellent horses of every training persuasion,
B_>but, the "competition ropers" around here do seen to be very
B_>fidgety when ridden on the trail.

Many horses that are competitive in the rodeo arena are "fidgety" on
the trail. If you think the roping horses are thata way, check out
the barrel horses. This is an apples to oranges comparison: very
seldom is a specialist like a good roping horse worth his oats on
both sides of the arena fence.

Peace in our time,

Tom Stovall
AFA Journeyman Farrier
___
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From: jdurward@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Li'l Stinker)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: great quote
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:52:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Hi.. I have been reading this group for a while and it is great
because I used to take hunt seat lessons and ran out of money =(.. I
love to ride.. it is my favorite thing to do in the world.. I could
always clear my mind so fast when I got on a horse.. anyway.. beside
s missing riding more than I can explain.. I thought you guys would
get a kick out of a quote I found.. My grandfather recently passed
away and he was a big horse guy.. used to live an a ranch and such..
anyway.. his wife found a piece of paper from 1937 with his goals on
it.. At the bottom of the page in bold face it said: (his last name
is Durward)...

REMEMBER DURWARD, A HORSE BEFORE A WOMAN ANY DAY!!!!!

=)
great, eh?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott)
Subject: Re: horse vacuums
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:49:55 GMT


We have a heavy duty horse vacuum at the barn where I ride and it works 
quite well.  I just wanted to let people know of another great use for 
a vacuum.  As with most vacuums, when it sucks air in, it has to blow
out air somewhere else.  Well, our vacuum has a nozzle attachment at both the
intake and exhaust locations.  This means that you can change where the hose is
attached to and use the vacuum as a blow dryer.  Why you ask?  It works wonders
when you have a horse with a winter coat, he works up a sweat when worked hard,
and you don't have 12 years to wait for him to dry out.  Just blow dry the horse!

Just a suggestion that someone out there somewhere may like to try sometime!

Audrey Carroll (and Miss Liz and Dillon)
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey Hams - Help?
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:19:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


 Hi Again-
    Still a dead band here at 6:45 pm.  Is there anyone else out there
who would like to try calling this week, incase it's my location?  After
all these fruitless tries I am wondering about MY setup (even though my
husband has been getting through to his father in Oregon earlier in the
day times).  I may also not be in this week. So please, if you'd like
to try calling the net- post a notice and time and frequency.  If I can
make it I will listen for it!

					(Frustrated) Teresa N7KTG
					Leo, Ari, and the Cats
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Help me cheer up some kids....
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:06:05 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


Several of you probably remember my posts about the three girls who show
my horses.  They are all wonderful kids, their parents are on an extremely
limited income and live in public housing because their father has emphasyma
and their mother must nurse him 24 hours a day.  She works part-time when 
ever possible but must limit this to hours between when her oldest daughter 
is home from school until bedtime.
These girls are all horse crazy, just started riding last year and have done
very well, improving tremendously during the year.  
I've been helping all I can by providing horses, free transportation, tack,
what ever riding clothes I can manage to get for them but they still need
a few items to show in.  
If anyone out there has a child's size 6 or 8 Saddleseat suit complete with
hat, it would make a little girl named Sue very happy.
Also, a showable pair of britches, size 10 or 12 womens' petite would probably
fit her sister Vicki.  

The girls are:

Mariah, age 16, honor student, future veterinarian.  Very talented artist,
good rider, is improving all the time.  She rides both hunt seat and western,
can use almost any clothes that anyone would be willing to donate.  She's
somewhat chubby, wears a womens size 16.  
Vicki, age 12, short and chubby, probably 10 or 12 petite in womens.  Needs
britches very badly, she outgrew the ones that Jan Ryan very wonderfully
donated last year.  
Sue, age 10 (also known as Squeaker).  She's VERY tiny for her age, weighs
around 50 pounds, wears size 6 or 8 child's slim.  She's cute as a button
and about as big.  A fearless rider with perfect hands and seat, she looks
so cute on Star Signal (16.2 hand Saddlebred) that I can't wait to see her
in the show ring.  She really needs a variety of things, western clothes
would be nice, we haven't yet been able to find a shirt small enough for
her.  And she would look adorable in a Saddleseat Suit.

Things have been very hard for this family.  The father just went into the
hospital on Monday, he won't be coming home.  He could die in 10 minutes,
10 hours, 10 days.  I've been trying to take their mind off everything but
weather here is so lousy that there is no way they can ride and that's what
they love to do.  So, some nice surprise packages from all you wonderful
people out there would really light up their eyes.  
Also, donations of any horse story books, horse training books, old horse
magazines, etc., anything 'horsey' would be great.  I've already exhausted
my supply of old magazines and books.

Please, just send everything to me.  Since they live in public housing, 
UPS wouldn't leave packages, while at my house they will just leave them
on the porch.

Sue Bishop
2604 Henville Road
Xenia, Ohio 45385
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:58:58 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.222914.7390@gvl.unisys.com>, red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis) writes:
> Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
> common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
> but is this deposit usually refundable?  I'm in the process of selling my
> Morgan mare, and I have several interested buyers.  I'd hate to lose a sale
> while some prospective buyer has a deposit on her and then changes their mind.
> 

Generally, I haven't made or taken a deposit when buying/selling a horse.
Usually, if I like the horse on first trial, it goes to my trainer's barn for a 
week or so to make sure it's right for me and to be vetted--if it's right and sound,
I buy it; if not, I don't.  I go through the same process on selling a horse.
I've never sent a horse out for trial to an individual not with a trainer that
I know--and I'm not sure I'd do that--too much can happen.

If you're concerned about losing a sale while somebody is deciding--don't take
a deposit, but accept the first offer to purchase.  You might give somebody
a few days to arrange a vet exam.  A deposit, if taken, should be a commitment
to purchase pending vetting.  Unless the horse doesn't pass the vet, I
wouldn't consider a deposit refundable.

Diane R.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:56:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.222914.7390@gvl.unisys.com> red@prc.unisys.com writes:
>Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
>common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
>but is this deposit usually refundable?  I'm in the process of selling my
>Morgan mare, and I have several interested buyers.  I'd hate to lose a sale
>while some prospective buyer has a deposit on her and then changes their mind.
>
>Please fill me in on common practice.  I'd like to be firm and state that
>it is a non-refundable deposit, but I'd like to know how others have handled
>it.
>

When a buyer put a deposit down on a horse, that
deposit is entitling them to exclusive rights
to buy the horse for a time specified.  The buyer must not sell to anyone
else during that period of time.  Legally, the deposit is nonrefundable
but will be applied to the purchase price of the horse if they do decide
to buy it.  The buyer can make it contingent upon a vet check or whatever,
if the seller agrees (then it could be refundable if the vet check
or whatever didn't pan out), but if they just put the deposit down
and then change their mind, the seller has every right to keep the deposit.
Think of it this way--they are buying time.  The seller should get something
out of this, either a sale or the deposit, since they are unable to
sell the horse to anyone else.  If the deposit were refundable, the
seller would get nothing if the buyer decided not to buy--as you
are worried about.  Make sure the deposit you accept is worth
the other sales you may pass up.

    Dorothy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dmadeo@is.morgan.com (David Madeo)
Subject: repost: Club Med (Mexico) Intensive Riding Program
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:11:31 GMT


Hello, 

I'm interested in taking a vacation at either the Sonora Bay or Playa
Blanca Club Med resorts.  My girlfried who's been riding about 15
years and currently competes in combined training events in the novice
and training levels expressed some interest in the intensive English
program.  Looking at their brochure, she falls into the "advanced"
section of the course.

I'd appreciate any comments or information anyone can pass on.  Her
biggest question is whether it's useful enough to do in the first
place and if it might be too much for a vacation.

Please reply by mail and thanks in advance,

dmadeo

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