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From: t9014201@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:32:24 GMT
 <1992Aug28.191312.23885@bnr.ca> <1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell) writes:
> 
>  What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
>  embarassing, is that you feel absolutely miniscule when the lights come
>  up and you HAVE to walk out of the theater with every other bonehead
>  who bought a ticket to this turkey).  Movies on video don't count as
>  your stupidity is hidden by the walls of your house. :-)
-- 
The second Battlestar Galactica Movie.  I forget it's name, but they took the
episodes of when they arrived on Earth, combined them into a movie,
and my dopey friend asked be to see it WITH HIS PARENTS!
There's nothing finer than watching Z grade mindless slop with your friends
parents watching on.
The horrible thing was that his Parents LIKED it!
--
* Clouds...  Love...  Stars... Colours... *
                                     Greg McPherson * T9014201@phillip.edu.au
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From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Dracula
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:37:14 GMT

In article <philip.714978859@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>
>>Query: Lucy, played by Winona Ryder.
>
>>I may sound dumb, but what other films has this lucky lass been in?
>>Intrigued, so I can see if she fits my image of lucy.
>
>She has been in:
>
>  Beetlejuice			(the weird girl in black)
>  Edward Scissorhands 		(love interest to Edward)
>  Heathers			(played Veronica)
>  Night on Earth		(first taxi driver segment)
>  Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael	(thought she was Roxy's daughter)
>
She also had a supporting role in the movie Lucas, a small production 
starring Charlie Sheen, Corey Haim and Kerry Green (sp?).  She was very
young, and looks one heck of a lot better these days!



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From: wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:18:53 GMT

Couldn't resist this thread:

(Excuse the duplications)

"Good Fellas" - Tracking shot into restaurant (one of the best uses of the
stedicam since its invention)

"Taxi Driver" - overhead shot after the shooting, then tracking downstairs
past all the victims

"Lawrence of Arabia" - Too many to count: 1) Omar Sharif's introduction,
when he rides in from a long distance and you see this small hazy figure
get larger and larger
2) Lawrence (Peter O'Toole) on top of the train
3) Lawrence after the massacre of the Turks, when he is holding the bloody
knife

"Barton Fink" - John Goodman standing maniacally in the flaming hallway

"Psycho" - When they find "Mother" in the cellar and the light bulb is
swinging making it look like "she" is blinking

"Bridge on the River Kwai" - When Alec Guiness realizes what's going on and
says "What have I done?"

"Suspicion" - Obvious classic: Cary Grant carrying glass of milk to his
wife

"Casablanca" - Well, you name it.  Particularly the last scene (brilliantly
parodied, almost shot for shot, in "Play it Again, Sam")

"Gone With the Wind" - 1) Scarlett helping Melanie have her baby,
silhouetted against the shutters
2) The introduction of Rhett, from Scarlett's POV, at the bottom of the
stairs
3) Of course, the depot with all the dying soldiers and the tattered
Confederate flag flying above

"It Happened One Night" - 1) The walls of Jericho
	2) The morning after, when they pretend to be a feuding husband and wife

Oh, I guess that's enough for now.
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Mindy
wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Institute for the Learning Sciences
Northwestern University


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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Wayne's World Music Change
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:20:35 GMT

In article <1HZZPB3w165w@jybox.jyu.fi> otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:

   (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
   >In the case of _Wayne's World_ and "Stairway", I doubt the producers even
   >imagined that they'd *need* to arrange for permission to use four stinking
   >musical notes.

   I find the need for permission rather surprising: I thought it had been
   firmly established (by rap and other sampler artists) now that it's OK
   to use a some notes from a composition by someone else ?  I believe the
   limit was around a few seconds.  Were it the title "Stairway to Heaven"
   I'd understand this need for permission, but they didn't change that ?

My understanding was that it's exactly the opposite -- that record
companies now hire people to listen for sampled fragments and send
royalty bills along with lawsuit threats.

-Joe.
From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:48:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
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Reverend Dodgeson's (Sinclair Lewis played by Ian Holm) facial reaction
while overhearing little Alice deride him to her family.

rn
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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Most ridiculous sex scene (in a movie - not real life)
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.132007.12372@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
> 
> Although this post is a confession that I actually saw this stupid movie,
> (on video, though!!) how about HOWARD THE DUCK??


The scene in "9-1/2 Weeks" where Kim Basinger and Mickey Rourke have at
it in an alley in a downpour.  Looks great, but the water had to be *cold*,
not to mention disgustingly filthy.  

In "Basic Instinct" where Sharon Stone is doing her patented ride-em cowgirl 
bit.  Each bounce seemed to go about 3 feet into the air.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat 
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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: War Hunt (was Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:10:06 GMT


never seen "war hunt" but I look forward to  - thanks

gary
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: question on Ice Station Zeebra
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Aug27.153034.19557@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, k3mi@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Brian d'Auriol) writes:
|> I'm putting it blanks for spoiler protection...
|> 

Do not worry, you could not spoil the movie any more then the director
or the cutters. It would have been nice if they could have followed 
the book, specifically on the contents of the film sent to the ENEMY.

Without the book the movie is OK, just like "Patriot Games" good
movie but did not track the book properly.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.195424.4530@asl.dl.nec.com> clee@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Christina Lee) writes:
>
>does anyone out there think that the sex scenes in certain
>movies are getting too explicit and not really called for?
>A number of movies come to mind:
>Boomerang
>Single White Female
>Basic Instinct
>
>It really hit home when I realized that a woman had brought in 
>a little girl (2-4 yrs old) to SWF.  

Too explicit for what?  And not really called for, in what way?
These films, at least in part, are supposed to be about sex.  They
make no bones about it in their advertisements.  (I suppose one
*might* not guess that there was sexual content in "Single White
Female" if one had only seen the posters, not reviews or trailers,
but it is rated R, which implies that you find out a little about it
before you bring the kids along.)   There may be an argument that some
or all of these films deserve to be rated NC-17, which would, in theory,
prevent children from seeing them at all.  But otherwise, I don't see 
the problem.  Really, there isn't even that much of a problem with rating 
them R.  Theater managers shouldn't let in the kids to these films without 
an adult, usually their parent.  If a parent thinks that it's OK for his 
or her child to watch a couple of folks, well, coupling, should we butt in?  
I haven't actually heard any complaints from parents who took their kids, 
under the false impression that these films were not so full of sex as 
they are.

Personally, I'd be more concerned with exposing kids to the violent
content of "Basic Instinct" or "Single White Female", than the sexual
content.

If one is speaking purely artistically, the only "artistic" impulse
behind "Basic Instinct" is to thrill and titillate - so the sex and
violence are necessary for the film to achieve its effect.  "Single
White Female" isn't that much different.  It's got a somewhat artier
look, but, let's face it, it's the same sort of film as "The Hand 
That Rocks the Cradle" and "Unlawful Entry", neither of which really 
had much more on their minds than making their audiences jump,
using the theme of the trusted figure who's actually a loony.

"Boomerang" is a sex comedy.  It's not surprising that a sex comedy of
the 90's is quite a bit more sexually explicit than the Doris Day/Rock
Hudson sex comedies of the early 60's.  I don't remember scenes in 
"Boomerang" that seemed "beyond the pale", to me.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:12:44 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <Btnv8x.K49@news.udel.edu>, conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon
Conrad) writes:
|>Breakfast Club?  Not even close.
|>
|>How about: 
|>
|>Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf (4 leads, 2 walk-ons, 3 background people
|>for 2 seconds at the beginning).
|>
|>Images (dir. Altman).  Unless I'm forgetting a background person, there
|>5 leads, and 1 small part in one scene.
|>
|>Sleuth (I'm not giving away details here, but the total is less than 7).
|>
|>And all the various one-person shows that have been filmed:
|>Give 'Em Hell, Harry!  (James Whitmore)
|>The Search for Signs...  (Lily Tomlin)
|>the one directed by Altman, about Richard Nixon
|>
|>Jon Alan Conrad
       
   Or Peter Jackson's "Meet the Feebles". I can't confirm but I have
heard there are no actors in this one!!
           
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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:48:58 GMT

In article <BD.92Sep3130817@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>>Mike Haskell (mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com) wrote:
>>: 
>>:  What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
>>
>>Home Alone. No contest (although it was on at the University film society
>>and I didn't pay...) Laugh? I nearly started.
>
>I wasn't embarassed that I went to see it, but I was disgusted by
>my fellow watcher's laughter.
>
>I like violent movies, in general.  Love kung fu flicks, terminator-type
>movies, and "mysteries" with lots of sex and violence.  But for some
>reason I was disgusted by Home Alone, and was not close to laughter.
>
>Maybe because the violence reminded me so much of children's cartoon
>violence but it was happening to real people.  Don't know what it was,
>but it disturbed me more than most other movies.
>-- 
	Alas, fellow Home Alone haters!  I cannot stand this movie!  When I
first saw it, it had been out for quite some time.  This gave my friends
and family plenty of opportunity to push me to seeing it!  I have not
forgiven them yet.
	The movie was full of cutesy humor that made me want to vomit!  I
found it to be quite unrealistic and quite stupid!  The theater was packed
with children that had seen it several times before.  They actually laughed
before the jokes came around.  I wasn't even laughing when I left the
theater.  It made me think about the state of people's mind that can sit
and enjoy such trash and make it the second biggest money maker that year!
	Macaulay Caulkin (Or however the hell you spell his name) is making
a couple million dollars for Home Alone 2!  Give me a break!  i can't wait
to see the little bastard turn into one of Hollywood's drug babies!
	The only scene I found to be somewhat funny is when John Candy was
telling the story of leaving his child in a funeral parlor and how he didn'
t talk for two-three months.  But, I was the only one laughing in the
entire theater on that scene!

			-Casey Hopkins
			hopkins@agora.rain.com


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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:22:30 GMT

hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
: In article <BD.92Sep3130817@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
: >pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
: >
: >>Mike Haskell (mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com) wrote:
: >>: 
: >>:  What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
: >>
: >>Home Alone. No contest (although it was on at the University film society
: >>and I didn't pay...) Laugh? I nearly started.
: >
: >I wasn't embarassed that I went to see it, but I was disgusted by
: >my fellow watcher's laughter.
: >
: >I like violent movies, in general.  Love kung fu flicks, terminator-type
: >movies, and "mysteries" with lots of sex and violence.  But for some
: >reason I was disgusted by Home Alone, and was not close to laughter.
: >
: >Maybe because the violence reminded me so much of children's cartoon
: >violence but it was happening to real people.  Don't know what it was,
: >but it disturbed me more than most other movies.
: >-- 
: 	Alas, fellow Home Alone haters!  I cannot stand this movie!  When I
: first saw it, it had been out for quite some time.  This gave my friends
: and family plenty of opportunity to push me to seeing it!  I have not
: forgiven them yet.

Hey, give them a break !!! :)
:

 	The movie was full of cutesy humor that made me want to vomit!  I
: found it to be quite unrealistic and quite stupid!  The theater was packed
: with children that had seen it several times before.  They actually laughed
: before the jokes came around.  I wasn't even laughing when I left the
: theater.  It made me think about the state of people's mind that can sit
: and enjoy such trash and make it the second biggest money maker that year!
:
Hey, all my friends (especially the ladies) seemed to be that way as well!


 	Macaulay Caulkin (Or however the hell you spell his name) is making
: a couple million dollars for Home Alone 2!  Give me a break!  i can't wait
: to see the little bastard turn into one of Hollywood's drug babies!
:
Hey, give the poor kid a break !!!!  :)


 	The only scene I found to be somewhat funny is when John Candy was
: telling the story of leaving his child in a funeral parlor and how he didn'
: t talk for two-three months.  But, I was the only one laughing in the
: entire theater on that scene!
: 
: 			-Casey Hopkins
: 			hopkins@agora.rain.com
: 
:
Actually, I agree totally with you. Home Alone was the most nauseating piece
of work *ever*. And I *hate* Macaulay Culkin! I especially hate myself
for watching the show. It was actually worse than _Ghost_ and _Pretty Woman_!
I almost forgot about Home Alone till I read your post. Thanks a lot, Casey :)

kelvyn 
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From: rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan)
Subject: Re: Excalibur music?- NOT Carmina Burana
Keywords: or was it?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:34:37 GMT

jeffl@pcx.ncd.com (Jeff Longueil) writes:

>In article <37264@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah) writes:
>>I've seen this brought up quite a bit, but I've never been able to
>>catch the answer I was looking for.  I realize the operatic pieces
>>from Excalibur were taken from Carmina Burana by Orff but what about
>>the rest of the orchestral music throughout the rest of the film
>>(especially over the end credits)?  Or is it all from CB?
>>

>You are perhaps referring to the Wagner music (Siegfrid's death and funeral
>march) at the end of the film.  I believe there is more Wagner sprinkled
>throughout, along with the Carmina Burana.

>--ffeJ.

	Was there ever an Excalibur soundtrack available? Even a UK import?
Does anyone know if it's on CD (I sure can't find it)?
From: ecbjkokegei@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: WINONA RYDER
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:11:43 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide

Hi, 

I was just wondering (with all the talk about Dracula) if anyone out there
knows the facts on Winona Ryder. I know she was born in 1971 but I dont know
where or on which date. Does anyone know a complete list of movies/TV she has
been in . It would be most helpful.

 		Brett
PS  To reply to me use my e-mail address : bjkokege@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au
instead of the one in the header at the top (my account there closes soon and I
cant post from the other account).
From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Masturbation in SINGLE WHITE FEMALE
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:08:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon

In article <1743egINNok2@agate.berkeley.edu>, peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter D. Merholz) writes...

>.. I'm disturbed by that the mentally whacked-out character is 
>shown masturbating as a symbol of her loneliness, and possibly her 
>insanity (as it is not portrayed positively in the film)... It's unfair
>(considering how many people masturbate) and discouraging to those who
>might already feel guilty in pleasuring themselves. Jeers to SWF.
> 
>--Peter M.
>
Well, since so many people do it, just like crying or praying or lying or
having sex, or using the toilet, (all very private activities with very
personal motives and meanings) that sort of dilutes the afront in my
eyes.  It seems that the message isn't so much that _those who *do it* suffer
for reasons like this character_ as much as _people who suffer also *do it*,
for their own reasons_ . 

Perhaps the difference in interpreting these kinds of mysteries often tell
more about the interpreters than the object of their interpretations.

Ron
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Timothy Hutton
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:05:48 GMT

In article <22843@sybase.sybase.com> wdw@sybase.com (Wayne Wong) writes:
>What ever happened to him?

He starred in the "The Dark Half", which is about a year overdue and
might be released this Fall.

As to what he's done since then, I don't know. I *think* I heard something
about another upcoming film, but I'm not sure.

                                           -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:26115 rec.arts.sf.movies:6749
From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:00:27 EDT
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:

> In article <urf.714728061@sw2001> urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
> >>Any other science fiction classics you'd like to see transported to
> >>the screen, and think they could be done well?

What about Heinlein's THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS ?

A book that I love, but I'm not sure if I want the Hollywood dream machine
to trample all over it.  The movie plot line need not be very close to the
book (how much do BLADE RUNNER and "Do androids dream...?" have in common,
plotwise ?), but the atmosphere needs to be right.

Manuel Garcia O'Kelley					?
	Some aspiring good young actor (perhaps from the stage)
Professor de la Paz					Max von Sydow
Wyoming Knott						?
	Needs to be a tall smart-looking blonde
Voice of Mycroft Holmes, the computer			?
	Mike has a persona that would make HAL look anemic!
"Adam Selene", Mike's screen alter ego			?
	Handsome 50ish, trustworthy looking man, dimples
	Both Mike's personas could also be rolled into one without
	serious damage to the plot
Comte Stuart Rene LaJoie				?
	Handsome young rogue.  Who was the lover/pirate in Princess Bride ?
Director						Ridley Scott
SFX							ILM + Pixar
The usual cast of thousands

> >Is is too soon to nominate Friday as a classic?

No, but I don't think it is.  It doesn't have a plot!  It's very well written,
the characterization and atmosphere is great but there is no real reason why
all these things happen to Friday.

> >I also think Glory Road could be made into a good movie. Also The Forever
> >War and All My Sins Remembered.
> 
> I would rather not see "The Forever War". I didn't like the book at all, sort
> of like a black-and-white leftist answer to Heinlein's "Starship Troopers". 

I really liked it.  I didn't think it was very leftist (well, over here we
all look like goddam-pinko-commies, compared to the average american :-)
but all and all I thought it made a lot more sense than "Starship Troopers".
The comic book isn't bad, either.

> Now a REAL version of "Starship Troopers" is another story.

What I'd like to see is the parody of "Starship Troopers", "Bil the Galactic
Hero" (two L's is for officers)!  And the way they've been cranking out those
continuation books, we may still see it.

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From: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: EMBARRASSING:  JOE V VOLCANO??
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:32:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep4.001025.24164@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.SKW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Susan Wandling) writes:

>       Secondly, "Joe vs the Volcano."  Again, I think, a
>nearly great comedy.  Sure it's a joke once they get to the
>island of Pukapuka or whatever it is, but up to then, it's a blast

           ^^^^^^^^

I believe it was Waponi-Woo.

>to watch Ryan's three (four?) characters and Hanks' version of
                 ^^^^^

It was three.  I remember one of the reviews at the time saying:

  "Meg Ryan is *three* times better than she was in 'When Harry
   Met Sally!'"

>hypochondria.  I know I'm in the minority on this last endorsement,
>but like I said, it was too much when they both got bashed.
>Maybe not everyone's favorite, but it's hard to believe these are
>really ranking that low (MOST embarrassing?) with anyone.
>

I really liked it, too.

Chuck

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