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From: cotts@nosurrender.East.Sun.COM ( Federal S.E. Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Macintosh XL (XLisa) Trade
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:12:07 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: nosurrender.east.sun.com
Keywords: XL Lisa

TRADE! TRADE! TRADE! TRADE! TRADE! TRADE!

Macintosh XL <-> Macintosh Plus harddrive (> 30MB)

Be the envy of your neighborhood.  Own a part of the past.  The Apple
Lisa box, circa 1985 (imitating a Machintosh Plus in software, cool).
Larger screen, more weight for you buck (this ain't no sissy portable),
runs most Macintosh Plus software (watch out for those nasty sound
programs).  I have ran PageMaker, Microsoft Word, and Quicken (and most
standard Macintosh and public domain stuff).  Would make a great paper
weight, print server or learning machine.

Macintosh XL  (X-Lisa Box)
        1  MB memory
        10 MB hard drive
        400k internal floppy
        2 RS232 (printer,modem)
        Motorola 68000
        running:
        Macworks Plus, 6.0.3 (from Sun Remarketing, Ogden Utah)
                6.x System \
                5.x Finder  -- (I think)

        Full open architecture still being maintained by companies like
                Sun Remarketing and DaFax (faster/larger hard drives, scsi,
                upgradable floppy, memory and accelerator options).  Also
                available from Sun Remarketing is screen fix to change
                the aspect ration of the display ($79 last I checked).
                The rectangle pixels of the XL elongate all displayed
                output (you get use to it).

Will trade for a WORKING, ready to run, greater than 30MB Macintosh
Plus SCSI HD with interface cable (prefer under unit model).  Even swap --
no mo' money ;-).  Shipping this thing is out of the question so party
must be in driving distance from Washington DC area (in the Virginia,
Pennsylvania, Maryland area).  Will meet half way for longer distances
(100 mile max). --- Or you can pick up postage ($$$).


Chuck Otts
Clifton, VA 22024

Email:  chuck.otts@east.sun.com
Tele:   (703) 204.4221


[If this message posts outside our region, please excuse; not sure if
 our 'distributions' is set correctly].

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: pyke@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.m.pyke)
Subject: Searching for a Mac Plus
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:19:11 GMT

I am looking for a Mac Plus.  It need not have extra RAM or a hard drive but
either are certainly acceptable.

I am looking to spend in the neighborhood of $300 but of course this depends on
the machine and what extras it has.

Please reply via E-mail or call me at work at 908-805-7338 during the day or
at home at 908-572-7803 during the evening and weekends.


					-Jim Pyke
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From: james@athena.cs.uga.edu (Xanthaus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Looking for free/shareware macro program
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:52:37 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I think to subject says it all, I just need basic macro functions- nothing
fancy.  Remapping the arrow keys to a two keystroke combination, keyboard
fired username, etc. 

Any suggestions please mail me at:  james@athena.cs.uga.edu

jca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: 1 meg SIMMs for sale
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:57:38 GMT

One-meg SIMMs for sale for $25 each. Three sets of four available.
You pay shipping. SIMMs are tested and work just peachy.

Mark Rogowsky
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Mac LC II for Sale!
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:32:01 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


                                FOR SALE:

LCII 8/80 w/math coprocessor, 512K VRAM, keyboard.
(monitor not included).  Applecare good til April.

Hello netters,

        I have for sale a macintosh LC II.  I have owned it for < 6
months and have barely used it.  I am looking to upgrade to one of the
new powerful powerbooks so that I can take the Mac with me and get some
use out of it! The LC II is a beautiful machine.  This one is stocked
with everything you will need to get much enjoyment out of using a Mac. 
It has 8 MB RAM, for that comfy, secure feeling that you will not run
out of memory soon.  It's 80 MB hard drive, provides that additional
ability to use virtual memory (available in this model of LC).  The math
coprocessor allows one to enjoy the finer things in life, like Tristan
Pinball, a must for any Macintosh user.  The 512K VRAM will allow you to
shop for that large monitor that dwarfs apple's puny 12" monitor that
they typically supply with the LCII. The Software includes system 7.0.1
with tune-up, and the apple distributed version of Hypercard.  I will
also leave a lot of Public Domain software on the harddrive.  Also consider
that this price includes a keyboard which most LCII offers do not include.

My price: $2100
Your Price: $1550!


but please, no flames  .. I am not interested in what you can get for it.


-- 
=======
David Meleedy                           Smithonian Astrophysical Observatory
meleedy@cfa.harvard.edu                 60 Garden Street, MS 70
Phone: 617 495 7252                     Cambridge, MA  02138  USA
From: no05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nuno Oliveira)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,cmu.misc.market
Subject: 2 Mb and 256k Mac SIMMS FOR SALE
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:47:00 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   For sale:

   - 4 2Mb*8 SIMMS, $210 or BO.
   - 4 256kb*8 SIMMS, BO.

All are 80ns type. Send me mail or call (412) 422-6681 if interested.

    Nuno.
    no05@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: olafn@inbit.ibt.unit.no (Olaf F. Normann)
Subject: ** Backup of 1GB Mac HD -> UNIX
Organization: IBT
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:38:51 GMT

Hello!
Does it exists software for doing backup of 1GB mac-HDs to
tapedrive connected to a SUN sparc?

I have looked on a SW package called MacDump, but it stores
the dump-file on the unix HD before it dumps it out on the
tape, and we do not have 1GB free diskspace on the SUN!

Best regards:
Olaf F. Normann
e-mail olafn@unimed.sintef.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: toml@xrxedds.UUCP (Tom Love)
Subject: moniterm viking 1 monitor support?
Organization: Xerox EDDS, Herndon, Va.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:05:08 GMT


i have access to a 19" monochrome display, manufactured by moniterm
inc., now supposedly out of business.  it is a viking 1, approximately
four years old, with a pc-at interface card and old dos software
drivers.

can anyone help me in finding the interface hardware, cable, and
software drivers necessary to make use of this display in a mac
environment, preferably system 7, and preferably nubus (IIci)?  i'd
settle for a mac se interface, or perhaps another, but those wouldn't
be my first choice.

i've talked to lapis and they couldn't help.  haven't tried hard to
find out who, if anyone, owns moniterm's inventory.  is there a
surviving company?

pointers to new/used hardware sources, video experts, personal
experience particularly would be greatly appreciated.

i would hate to see this (fairly nice) tube go to waste.  

Tom Love
Xerox Engineering Systems / Engineering Document Management Systems
607 Herndon Pkwy, Herndon, VA 22070  Voice 703-787-2027  Intelnet 8-440-2027
				     Fax 703-787-2110
Internet:   toml@xrxedds.com
            toml.herndon@xerox.com
UUCP:       ...!uunet!xrxedds!toml
XNS:        toml:herndon:xerox

--

-----

Tom Love
Xerox Engineering Systems / Engineering Document Management Systems
607 Herndon Pkwy, Herndon, VA 22070  Voice 703-787-2027  Intelnet 8-440-2027
				     Fax 703-787-2110
Internet:   toml@xrxedds.com
            toml.herndon@xerox.com
UUCP:       ...!uunet!xrxedds!toml
XNS:        toml:herndon:xerox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: rreid@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Robin R. Reid)
Subject: Wanted: MacII CPU stand...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:32:32 GMT

I'm interested in buying one of the CPU stands Kensington made
for the MacII - I've tried using generic stands, but none have
worked to my satisfaction.  If anyone is interested in selling
one to me, I'd be willing to pay close to list price  ***IF***
it is in excellent condition.

Thanks in advance!


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: Powerbook modem for sale
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:56:03 GMT

PSI Powermodem send/receive fax (2400 baud data) for Powerbooks
100/140/145/160/170/180. Price is $165 + shipping. Includes faxSTF
software with PSI's customization (just different icons I believe).

Mark Rogowsky
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.wanted:9564 triangle.forsale:1668
From: kvd@acpub.duke.edu (Karen Van Dusen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,triangle.forsale
Subject: FOR SALE: SE/30 5/105 with 8-bit card, monitor
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:38:50 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.wanted
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@news.cs.duke.edu
Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name.

Macintosh SE/30, 2 yrs old, excellent condition

5 MB RAM
105 MB internal hard drive (Quantum, from Club Mac)
8-bit Micron color card
Apple 13" RBG monitor
Extended keyboard

$1900 or best reasonable offer

I love this Mac!  But, I'm finally going the portable route.  I'm
willing to be flexible about the pieces in this package, if you're not
interested in the keyboard or monitor.

For those of you not familiar with the Micron card, it drives an
external monitor at 256 colors, while still allowing use of the
original screen. 

--------------------------------------------------------------
Karen Van Dusen                           (919) 660-6917
Macintosh Systems Specialist              kvd@acpub.duke.edu
Duke University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: egreen@waggen.twuug.com (Eddie Greenside)
Subject: Resolve 1.1 forsale *$100*
Summary: Resolve
Keywords: Forsale
Organization: Brite Systems
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:57:13 GMT





I have an unopen claris resolve v.1.1 program that I swapped for with Typing
tutor 5+.  Still in its orginal shrink rapped paper with warranty and
manuals that haven't been open.  Program normally sells for $149 in
Macwarehouse, but I'm asking $100.  If you want to find out more about the
program, then email me at egreen@waggen.twuug.com, with your address account
so I can write you back.  I will also pay for shipping.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: r0302006@ccms (Li-Fu Chen)
Subject: Wanted PB140/5 
Organization: National Taiwan University Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:23:01 GMT

Hi!
  I want to buy a Powerbook 140 or 145
  I need at least 4M ram and 40MHD in it
  No matter used or new one.
  Anyone who want to sell his/her PB140/5, please e-mail me the infomation
for your PB and expected price. Thanks a lot!
  My e-mail address is:
  
   r0302006@ccms.ntu.edu.tw

   Lifu Chen
From: logan@novell.com (Logan Harbaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Mac Plus 4/60 for sale
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:54:24 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

I have a Mac Plus with 4 mb RAM, 60 mb hard drive, standard keyboard (with  
keypad), original packing, and lots of late model software and fonts,  
including Word 5.0, FrameMaker 3.0, 50+ Adobe fonts, etc. Asking $700.  
I'll pay shipping, you pay COD charges.

Logan Harbaugh
logan@sjb.novell.com
408 729-2385
From: uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: MaxAppleZoom for 16" Monitor??
Keywords: ex, cp, monitor, utility
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:03:25 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1bes8bINNfjq@agate.berkeley.edu> tomo@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas C. O'Brien) writes:
>
>Hi, I just hooked up Apple's 16" monitor to my ci using Apple's 8*24 card
>and was depressed to find that I'm only gettting about 14" worth of monitor!
>
>I had tried MaxAppleZoom on the 13" I had before and loved what it did to the
>screen size, but I still needed more.  Does anyone know about a MAZ that
>works on 16" monitors??  Or any other utility that will give me back some of 
>the wasted screen??
>
>Any pointers are appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tomo
>tomo@ocf.berkeley.edu

It might be possible, (maybe in a lower color mode or something) but how about
getting MaxAppleZoom to work the System 7.1?


-- 
                                        Yoram Yifrah -- uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu

"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
                                               -- Howard Beal, UBS Network News
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: egreen@waggen.twuug.com (Eddie Greenside)
Subject: MACINTOSH POWERBOOK 170 FORSALE *$2675*
Summary: FORSALE POWERBOOK
Keywords: FORSALE
Organization: Brite Systems
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:29:26 GMT





Macintosh Powerbook 170 portable computer, 4 megs of Ram, 40 meg hard drive,
with an active matrix display screen, two battaries, Targus professional
carrying case, internal 2400 buad modem, with Mnp-5, and 9600 send fax. 
Some software and manuals.  Aksing for $2675, Firm.  If interested e-mail me
at: egreen@waggen.twuug.com.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: egreen@waggen.twuug.com (Eddie Greenside)
Subject: PPI Modem 9600 buad modem forsale, *$225*
Summary: PPI
Keywords: PPI MOdem
Organization: Brite Systems
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:48:40 GMT





Selling a practical peripheral's 9600 buad modem, with v32/v42bis.  A true
full duplex 9600 bps, CCITT v.32, v.42, v.42bis, error correcting and data
compressing modem.  Modem has the latest rom upgrade from PPI.  The modem
also includes telecommunication program with hardware handshaking cable. 
Modem has a lifetime warranty, regardless of owner.  Im selling the modem
because, I purchased PPI's new 14.4 modem.

I would like to get $225, which includes shipping.  
If interested, email me at: egreen@waggen.twuug.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: WANTED: 4MB SIMMs
From: t303grey@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:24:17 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

  I'm looking for 4 4MB SIMMs. E-Mail me an offer.

                                                DevilCat
                                                t303grey@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,su.computers,su.macintosh,su.computers.mac
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Powerbook Question
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:17:59 GMT

hwang@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (John S. Hwang) writes:

>Does anyone have a good reason why a Powerbook can't be left on all
>the time like most Macs can be??  It is recommended that you only put
>your Powerbook to "sleep" if you are taking a break for a "couple" of
>hours.  Else you should Shut-Down.  Why??  Any input would be
>appreciated.  Please email me your response.  Thanks!!

Because otherwise you'll run down the battery.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Macs are okay, just underpowered.
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:15:07 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


	In the defense of system 7 I must say that some people who are
criticizing it are quite off base.  System 7 is quite solid on the macs
I use.  I work with system 7 for many hours each day and it is ROCK solid.
	The problem with the Mac's OS is that it is extremely underpowered
and overpriced.  When I went to system 7, I intended to get some nice
multitasking like I get with OS/2 2.0.  No such luck.  I sitll have
to wait forever to copy files from floppy to the hard drive and 
many apps still take over the printer whether i have a spooler or not
(meaning I have to sit there while it thinks about printing).  To all
the IBM users running around in this advocacy, IBMs might be more
powerful and faster but the Mac OS is damn easy to use.  This counts
for a lot in the computer world.  If it weren't for the mac, WIndows
and OS/2 PM would not exist (maybe eventually but certainly not yet).
It's just unfortunate that Apple has gotten stuck with keeping their
OS compatible.  System 8 had better have a lot better performance.
I don't think it is cute to see our $8000 Mac Quadra 700 sit there
while I wait for a graphic image to print when I can take the exact
same image, copy it to the superdrive and print the .tif on OS/2
with Page Maker and be doing something else (like working on the
next article or whatever).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: bach@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Michael Bach)
Subject: clock speed & MIPS Motorola<->Intel?
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08:29:56 GMT


Dear colleagues:
If an Intel cpu (say 386) and a Motorola (e.g., 68030)
both run at, say, 20MHz, are they comparable in terms 
of MIPS?
In the stone age, I remember that a Z80 at 4MHz was
comparable to a 6502 at 2MHz because the clock was
used differently internally. Is this difference
still inherited by their "grandchildren"?
If not, than the Mac is certainly doomed, at least
with prices in Germany. Using university discounts,
we can get a complete 50 MHz 486 system for the price of 
an LC II! Windows is slow, no doubt, and I very much
prefer a Mac over IMBcompatible, but with this incredible
difference in price/performance ratios...
Greetings, Michael.
-- 
Dr. Michael Bach, Dept. of Ophthalmogy,
University of Freiburg, D-7800 Freiburg, Germany
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: clock speed & MIPS Motorola<->Intel?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:17:02 GMT
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <1992Oct15.082956.8694@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,
bach@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Michael Bach) says:
>
>Dear colleagues:
>If an Intel cpu (say 386) and a Motorola (e.g., 68030)
>both run at, say, 20MHz, are they comparable in terms
>of MIPS?
 [stuff deleted]                                                           >with
prices in Germany. Using university discounts,
>we can get a complete 50 MHz 486 system for the price of
>an LC II! Windows is slow, no doubt, and I very much

Comparing MHz numbers is completely useless even with the same processor.
The overall speed of a system depends on numerous parameters. Two 33MHz 386
systems can differ enormously in speed depending on video cards, harddisk,
harddisk controllers, memory size, OS, bus architecture ...

Don't even try to compare a 20MHz Mac and a 20MHz PC unless you are interested
in the power spectrum of the radio noise they emit.

Try to do the things you want to do on the 50MHz 486 and on the LC II if they
are the same price. And consider if you want to expand the system later i.e
if you need expansion slots. I made this mistake once, now I have an IEEE 488
board and an ADC board for a system with only one slot. And no (unexpensive)
possibility to do networking on that machine. (Guess what fruit is on the case)

Michael Bode, Forschungszentrum Juelich.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: More Defense of CLI (there, I changed the subject ... )
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Oct13.222051.29320@nwnexus.WA.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:50:15 GMT

Steve> == Steve Kanefsky <kanefsky@halcyon.com> 

 Steve> But many programs add other commands to the edit menu (though the
 Steve> edit menu is more static than other menus), so the position of the
 Steve> copy command could change because of other menu items being added
 Steve> and deleted dynamically.

Then the program is broken.  The HIG (and the requirements of DAs) put
Undo, separator, Cut, Copy, Paste, Clear at the top of the Edit menu.  I
believe the HIG also puts New and Open as the first two items on the
File menu, where applicable.

 Steve> And of course there are still plenty of inconsistencies.  What
 Steve> is called "place" in one program might be "import" in another or
 Steve> just "open" in another.

No, because "Open" is for opening a document, not for inserting another
into this document (place).  "Import" could mean either, depending on
your context; normally import of another file format (say, MacWrite
format into Word) is handled in the Open... dialog box.

 Steve> So the graphical interface doesn't guarantee consistency.  In
 Steve> fact, the amount of consistency is completely independent of the
 Steve> type of interface.  You can have a completely consistent CLI
 Steve> (where -o always specifies an output file, for example) or
 Steve> completely inconsistent GUI's (Windows -- need I say more?)

Yes, but if we're talking about the Mac's UI vs. any CLI I've ever seen
(this *is* c.s.MAC.advocacy, after all, though dumping on Windows is a
major sport), the Mac's UI is far more consistent.

 Steve> The cut, copy, and paste commands in the edit menu are pretty
 Steve> stable because new commands tend to get added *below* those
 Steve> commands.  But there are plenty of other commands in other menus
 Steve> which appear and disappear, which effectively changes the
 Steve> position of other commands.

The HIGs, if I recall correctly, advise application designers to use
menus with *disabled* options rather than adding and subtracting
options.  One company seems to have a fetish for having commands appear
and disappear though.  They're run by someone whose initials are "BG" :)
--
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System Administrator, EFF | in one museum, you cure it by throwing tomatoes
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