HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fritz@ra.csc.ti.com (Fritz Whittington)
Subject: Re: New Yorker Magazine
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:43:21 GMT

In article <804.1619.uupcb@factory.com> antony.van.couvering@factory.com (Antony Van Couvering) writes:
>
[ . . . ]

>The "New" New Yorker arrived today, Tina Brown's first issue.  A real
>disaster.  About three pounds more than the old one (crypto-nazi perfume
>ads, heavier paper), with new typography.  The text font seems like a
>mongrel between the old font and Times.  Horrible.

Well, according to an article I read in the local paper, this issue
weighs in at just under a pound (0.93 if I recall correctly).  

I didn't like their old font all that much, anyway.

Layout:  Of the 178 total pages, 85 contain an ad.  A bit circusy.
-- 
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    Shipping address: 13510 North Central Expressway, MS 446 Dallas, TX 75243  
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Since I am not an official TI spokesperson, these opinions contain no spokes.
From: mshaver@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Matthew Shaver)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Albertus font
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:24:25 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Can anyone point me to a source for Albertus font?  PD or commercial.

Be seeing you,

Matt.
mshaver@pyramid.com
From: fj@iesd.auc.dk (Frank Jensen)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: HELP: Are Window's .pfb files really Postscript?
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:36:02 GMT
	<1992Sep25.022448.7593@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> On 25 Sep 92 02:24:48 GMT, jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons) said:

 > In <1992Sep24.165007.26082@wuecl.wustl.edu> qarl@wuecl.wustl.edu (Karl Stiefvater) writes:

>First thing I noticed is that the *.pfb files all begin with control codes
>which seem to be very UN-postscript like.  (They appear BEFORE the 
>obligatory "%!".)
>
>The kicker, though, is that I cannot get them to work AT ALL.  Even when
>I strip off the leading control codes.  Both Ghostscript and my LaserWriter
>complain quite loudly about undefined commands.  (The commands being named
>something like ";p}x&9"... a control code sequence.)

 > ".pfb" files are not things you can send to Postscript printers. They are
 > stored in a mixed text/binary format, as far as I can understand (by trying
 > to work out dvips' C code :-( ). I think the file is a sequence of
 > "blocks", each block being x80 followed by x01 or x02 followed by a 4-byte
 > length followed by that much data (either ASCII text or binary data). Or
 > something like that.

 > The best method I found of getting a proper ".pfa" file (which you can send
 > to a Postscript printer) is to get a Windows (or Mac, in my case) program
 > that can use them, and print a document from that program, saving the
 > output in a Postscript file. Edit that file to extract a valid Postscript
 > definition of the font.

 > There must be a better way than this, but I haven't found it.

Pick up `t1utils-1.1.tar.Z' from `ftp.cs.umb.edu' on directory
`pub/misc'.  It contains utilities to convert between PFA and PFB
format, assemble and disassemble type1 fonts, etc.

 > Jeremy

 > ---
 > Jeremy Gibbons <jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>         tel: +64 9 373 7599
 >    Department of Computer Science,              fax: +64 9 373 7453
 >    University of Auckland, Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand.

---
Frank Jensen,   fj@iesd.auc.dk
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Aalborg University
DENMARK
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From: cargo@cherry04.cray.com (David S. Cargo)
Subject: Latin True Type Font
Originator: cargo@cherry04
Keywords: Latin character set
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:53:55 CDT


I find myself in an interesting situation.  I want to do computer work
for a Latin class.  The character set used does not match what I have
seen in a wide variety of True Type fonts.  In particular, I need a font
that has macrons over the vowels a, e, i, o, and u.  The macrons need
to be about the same size as hyphens.  (The "i" needs to be "dotless".)
The shape of the macrons should be the same as hyphens.

The True Type fonts I've looked at have accents of `'^ and dots, but
no macron.

I would like to avoid having to buy a program to modify existing fonts.

David S. Cargo
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: coca/cola, futuristic, or old 50's, 60's, 70's, or 80's fonts wanted!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:19:25 GMT

i am looking to collect many of these types of fonts, if you know of their 
names and type1 mac or true type would be preferred.

i haven't been watching lately, but if a font is in the .win format or IBM 
truetype/atm1 format, can you use truetype converter to change it to mac? let 
me know if you can.

please respond via e-mail.

sines
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           body release (live techno), krushin invisible clothing and ...
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Hamburgefonstiv (Was: Lorem Ipsum Dolor)
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:25:42 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

pgh@cs.brown.edu (Paul Howard) writes:

>So what is "hamburgefonstiv", other than a 15-letter "word" with 15
>different letters?

Peter Karow of URW says that (probably German) type designers first test
the letters o and n and then go on to "gar fest". If that looks good
they do the "Hamburgefons"-routine. These letters are supposed to contain
all the elements of an alphabet. (That would be a Latin alphabet of course)
The "H" for example tells one how upper case letters compare to lower case,
the "b" at the same time tests the "d", "p" and "q" because they look similar.

Other than that "Hamburgefons" is a font label. (Daughter of URW I think)


     Ulrich Mayring
     volksdesign.

       - Herr Otto Mol fuehlt sich unwohl am Pol ohne Atomstrom -
From: churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: HELP: Are Window's .pfb files really Postscript?
Summary: t1utils1
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:14:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <1992Sep24.165007.26082@wuecl.wustl.edu>, qarl@wuecl.wustl.edu (Karl Stiefvater) writes:
> 
> the *.pfb files all begin with control codes
> I cannot get them to work AT ALL.  Even when
> I strip off the leading control codes. 

  What you need to do is convert your .PFB's to .PFA's.  The T1UTILS1
package has a program (T1ASCII) to do this.  Unfortunately, I can't
find the original Unix version of T1UTILS1 in an Archie search, just
the Ms-Dos port (see below).  But the Ms-Dos version still contains
the C-code; hopefully this hasn't been so hacked up by the port to
Ms-Dos that you can't still compile it on Unix...

Host garbo.uwasa.fi
    Location: /pc/fonts
           FILE -rw-rw-r--      81472  Jun 11 23:20  t1utils1.zip

Host plaza.aarnet.edu.au
    Location: /micros/pc/garbo/pc/fonts
           FILE -r--r--r--      81472  Jun 12 01:20  t1utils1.zip

Host wuarchive.wustl.edu
    Location: /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/fonts
           FILE -rw-rw-r--      81472  Jun 11 20:20  t1utils1.zip
--
         --Henry Churchyard     churchh@emx.cc.utexas.edu

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From: mhauser@courtney.acns.nwu.edu (Marc Hauser)
Subject: PS and TrueType?  Probably a FAQ, but...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:24:44 GMT

Well, this is probably asked more than enough times, but I have a question  
anyhow...

I have a Mac Classic running system 6.0.7 and a TI Microlaser ps17 printer  
hooked up.  It runs Postscript like a champion, but I was wondering if I  
can, and how, run TrueType fonts on it.  Do I need something in the system  
folder, since I do not think that it needs to be inherent within the  
printer.  Or am I wrong?  If I am right, where do I get the necessary  
software tools to allow me to do so?

Please help me.  All help will be thouroughly appreciated.

Marc Hauser
mhauser@courtney.acns.nwu.edu
mhauser@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
 

          
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Subject: Re: Grey text in PageMaker?
From: Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:09:52 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Oct5.133756.29159@shearson.com> dmandl@shearson.com writes:
> In article 10943@actrix.gen.nz, Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz () writes:
> >In article <1992Oct1.163516.22336@shearson.com> dmandl@shearson.com writes:
> >> I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but isn't there a way
> >> to get grey text (i.e., 10%, 20%, etc.) in PageMaker (Windows
> >> version)?  I usually use Corel to do this stuff, so it's never
> >> come up before.  It seems to me that the option is only
> >> available for graphics (circles, squares).  Surely there must
> >> be a way to do this to get drop shadows, etc.?  Selecting
> >> one of the Pantone grey shades doesn't work, because they're
> >> actually treated as colors and so they print as black on a
> >> laser printer.  Anyone have an answer?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> >Go to the *define colours * option (under Elements), choose new and
> >set C M and Y to 0% and black to 25%, call it 25% black and exit.  It
> >should now be on your colours palette.  Highlight your text and apply
> >the colour 25% black.
> >
> 
> No, this doesn't work!  The greys show up on the screen fine,
> but they print as BLACK.  I assumed that this was because the
> interpreter sees that it is a "color" defined using CMYK (or
> whichever color system) and so assumes that it can't be rendered
> and prints it as black instead--i.e., it doesn't look at the
> definition and see that the color contains only a black component.
> This is what it does if you  use a "real" color (yellow or whatever).  
> Have you used this technique and actually gotten the greys to
> print??  Am I using the wrong driver or something?  (I'm using an
> HP LaserJet III with a Pacific Page PostScript cartridge and the
> Windows LaserWriter driver.  Thanks for your help!
> 
>    --Dave. 
> 
> ---
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>          Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
>        New York City           | are not those of my employer,
>    (dmandl@shearson.com)       |          believe me.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
Dave

Check your printer dialogue box and see if you have an option to print
colour/greyscale as opposed to black and white.  It's a few months
since I switched from PC to Mac and I can't recall the options.  I
know on the Mac I can get grey type by selecting colour/greyscale output.

Pat
-- 
| The floggings will continue until morale improves
| Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill, Wellington, New Zealand)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.protocols.iso,comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.misc,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Character Sets (AGAIN)
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:33:02 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

In article <keld.717888165@login.dkuug.dk> keld@login.dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen) writes:

>The RFC is for use in Internet communications, and ordinary email
>users do not consider their 8-bit character encoding as 4 separate
>character sets, they call it LATIN1 and expect it to both contain
>ASCII characters and accented characters (and rightly so, according
>to 8859-1) and also to have some control characters like TAB, CR, NL
>etc (and this is actually not part of 8859-1). 

  The above is HIGHLY MISLEADING as Keld's work on character sets was
rejected for the Internet standards track on technical grounds, though
Keld did try very hard to invoke politics and felgercarb to try to
force it into a standards-track RFC despite lack of merit.

  Also, the comments above are highly EURO-CENTRIC as many languages
that fit in 8-bits are NOT part of LATIN-1 (aka ISO 8859-1).  This is
the whole reason that ISO also created ISO-8859-2 through something
like ISO-8859-8 to cover a whole set of other languages that fit in
8-bits just fine.  The recent work on ISO-10646 (16-bit characters)
also added support for the ideographic languages (such as Chinese).
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: Tim Larkin <tsl1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Old English Fonts for Mac
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15: 21:53 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: tsl1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.201101.9083@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ,
nfulton@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Not quite the only problem, at least if you want to be pedantic.

Besides the eth, thorn, ae, and oe, the OE manuscripts show different
letter forms for s, r, g, f, and the ampersand. Some of the earliest
>printed< editions preserved these forms. For instance, Updike's History
shows a specimen sheet prepared by Wm. Caslon which has a type called
Saxon, which includes the old forms for each of these letters.
Haralambous's Metafont Saxon is the only modern font I know of which is
true to the OE forms. But of course, as Neil says, in current usage,
modern equivalents usually replace the older forms, "and nobody
complains". There may be an corallary of Gresham's Law which says that
bad types drive out good types :-)

Tim Larkin
Federal Nutrition Laboratory
Tower Road
Ithaca, New York
tsl1@cornell.edu
607-255-7008
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From: mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: My stand on the Gnu font project (no followups, please)
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:36:34 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation, Cambridge, MA

In article <cw1JRB17w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

   If you print a document in Times Gnu Roman, do you have to give everybody
   permission to photocopy it?

Are you really clueless?  Fonts are copyrightable in the US.  As a
result, it's totally irrelevant whether or not (or how) the GPL might
apply: they aren't copyrightable, ergo, the FSF can not effectively
attach conditions to their copying.

--
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+1 617 625 4518 (H)      |     Gaude, mater jucundata Jesu puerperio.
+1 617 253 8568 (W)     -+-    Gaude, conresuscitata resurgente filio.
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From: keld@login.dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen)
Subject: Re: Character Sets (AGAIN)
Keywords: character-set, charset, font
Organization: DKnet
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:54:26 GMT

jon@hook.corp.mot.com (Jon Whalen) writes:

>I.  I'm looking for pointers to documents describing the encodings used 
>by several different character sets. In particular, I'm looking for the
>encodings for:

>1. EBCDIC
>2. ISO Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1)
>3. ISO Latin-2 (ISO 8859-2)
>4. Unicode [more than just the ascii part]
>5. ISO 10646

>If you know of any electronic document[s] describing any of the above, 
>especially one that's ftpable, I'd really appreciate hearing from you.

I have written the RFC 1345 with information on the above,
although only about 2000 characters of UNICODE and ISO 10646
is covered. It is available by ftp via the normal RFC archives.

>III. I'm looking for pointers to documentation on standard and ad-hoc mappings
>between 7-bit ascii and 8-bit charsets. For example, on the mailing list
>GAELIC-L, the accented vowels: a_acute, e_acute, i_acute, o_acute, u_acute,
>a_grave, e_grave, i_grave, o_grave, u_grave; are represented as vowel + /
>and vowel + \, respectively. What other encodings are in use? Where might I
>get documentation (formal or informal) on them? Are there ISO standards
>in existence or under development?

RFC 1345 specifies such ASCII fallbacks for about 2000 non-ideographic
and 24000 ideographic characters. The ASCII representation for 
eg a_acute is a' - for a_grave it is a! . The RFC1345 names are
employed in sendmail 5.65c as it comes from UIUC. It is also employed
in POSIX locale specifications from Danish Standards, appearing in ISO
9945-2 (as informative information).

There are other short notations in use, including:

Johan van Wingen notation, see archives of the iso10646 list.
Alan La Bonte' notation, see same archive.
Those two are fairly alike, and intended also for email use.
They are not far from the RFC1345, but have some other 
characteristica.

The vietnamese society has picked a notation for Vietnamese,
eg a' and a` for a_acute and a_grave respectively.

troff  has various notations, eg greek alpha  *a
I was involved in doing the names for groff and psroff,
USL picked another notation originating from DEC screens.

various formatters, like TeX have their own notation, which is
of short form, as far as I know.

Some organisations do longer names, English-like:
SGML has a fairly comprehensive set of names like a_acute
The same is true for Postscript, and X/Open has been working
on such a set too. 

ISO standards use a scheme where a_acute may be called LA12,
this is only covering Latin characters.

There is work underway on doing a standard for "short identifiers"
the initiative is coming from ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 (Programming languages
and Operating Systems) where such a list of short character identifiers
has been on the wishing list for about 4 years.
ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG20 (Internationalization) will discuss it at
their forthcoming meeting this October.

Keld Simonsen
From: opstad@Apple.COM (David Opstad)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: What Typefaces in Apple's New TT Set?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:16:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <h!bp-3m@lynx.unm.edu> lgorbet@carina.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) writes:
>According to last week's MacWEEK, Apple was to release a new
>set of TrueType typefaces for $99 at the Seybold.  Could someone
>post a list of the typefaces included here?  Thanks.

ITC Avant Garde (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
ITC Bookman (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
New Century Schoolbook (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
Delphian
ITC Garamond Narrow (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
Helvetica Black (roman and italic)
Helvetica Compressed (roman and italic)
Helvetica Narrow (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
ITC Lubalin Graph (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
Lucida Bright (roman, italic, bold, bold italic)
ITC Machine
Nadianne (roman and bold)
Old English Text
Onyx
Oxford
Swing Bold
ITC Zapf Chancery
ITC Zapf Dingbats
Zeal

Dave Opstad
Line Layout Weenie
From: antony.van.couvering@factory.com (Antony Van Couvering) 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: New Yorker Magazine
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: antony.van.couvering@factory.com (Antony Van Couvering) 


MH>MH> most easily recognized as "the New Yorker Magazine" font.
MH>
MH>TH>I haven't seen either this font or the New Yorker in a while, but
MH>TH>it seems to me that either Upper East Side or Upper West Side would
MH>TH>do the trick.  It's available at several ftp servers around in
MH>TH>TrueType format.  (Legally?  Is this a public-domain or shareware
MH>TH>font?  I don't use it, so I don't know.)

The "New" New Yorker arrived today, Tina Brown's first issue.  A real
disaster.  About three pounds more than the old one (crypto-nazi perfume
ads, heavier paper), with new typography.  The text font seems like a
mongrel between the old font and Times.  Horrible.

The thing also stinks to high heaven.  I'm going to shred mine and use it
as a potpourri filler.

Antony
antony.van.couvering@factory.com



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From: jordi@sc2a.unige.ch
Subject: Composite TT fonts ???
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:36:20 GMT

Hello there,

Does anybody know if it is possible to create composite fonts in TrueType
format ?
It is possible using a PostScript font, but I failed to do it with
a TrueType one (Fontographer 3.5).

Thanks for any help !

Sincerely,

Steve Jordi                

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From: achobbs@eos.ncsu.edu (ASHTON CALDWELL HOBBS)
Subject: TrueType Fonts for Sale
Originator: achobbs@c00061-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: achobbs@eos.ncsu.edu (ASHTON CALDWELL HOBBS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:30:00 GMT


Have collection of about 300 TrueType Fonts on 3 1/2HD disks for $15.00 (Free Shipping)
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From: cb@fantod.xis.xerox.com (Christopher Bader)
Subject: Re: New Yorker Magazine Font
Organization: Xerox Imaging Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:37:39 GMT

In article <15660@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>In article <214.236.uupcb@nitelog.com> michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) writes:
>>Several weeks ago I asked if anyone knew of a font similar to the one
>>most easily recognized as "the New Yorker Magazine" font. 
>
>I haven't seen either this font or the New Yorker in a while, but it
>seems to me that either Upper East Side or Upper West Side would do
>the trick.  It's available at several ftp servers around in TrueType
>format.  (Legally?  Is this a public-domain or shareware font?  I don't
>use it, so I don't know.)

It's Caslon.

		-- Christopher Bader


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