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From: dcn@adpgate.UUCP (David Norton)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: ILYA Championships
Keywords: Scows, Bud Melges, Bill Koch, fleet racing
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:47:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpappl.1523
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

Was on the phone today with Peter Keck at Melges Boat Works in Zenda, 
Wisconsin and picked up the following regarding the Inland Lake 
Yachting Association Championship Regatta held last week at Green Lake, 
Wisconsin:

Bill Koch (of America3 fame) with Buddy and Hans Melges on board finished 
8th in class A (winning the last race).  Bill Perrigo, Jr from Pewaukee Lake
in Wisconsin was the overall A winner. I wonder how Bill likes fleet racing?

Harry Melges III won in class E representing the Lake Geneva Yacht Club.

Andy Burdick with Peter Keck crewing took top honors in class C representing
Lake Geneva (Wisconsin).  (Andy also finished 3rd in classs MC) 

Overall the Melges Factory Team did quite well winning it all in Class E
and Class C.  I visited the factory in Zenda, WI 2 weeks ago while in 
Wisconsin and it was fun to catch up with Buddy after almost 20 years.
He and I both grew up and learned to sail on Delavan Lake near Lake Geneva
and both crewed regularly for the same guy at Delavan (Bud Wallen).
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: For Torsten Weirich (sorry email bounced) 
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:38:52 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

re trim

>Yeah, it's me again...
>
>I've found that when I'm cruising (on plane) the most efficient trim adjustment
>is where my "rooster tail" (yeah, it's kinda small) flattens out.  Is this
>your experience too?

That sounds about right.  When my boat is running real good the bow
wave moves about 1/2 to 2/3 the distance to the stern.  The boat gets
right up on top the water and the wake flattens considerably.


re beginner

>I think your real problem is you don't know how to say no.  I can see your
>point, but as far as I'm concerned, I'll invite anyone once.  If I don't
>have a good time, they never get invited again;-) ;-)  Another trick, I
>never decide to go in advance.  It's all strictly spur of the moment.  If
>they can get ready in 45 minutes, they probably won't be a problem on the
>boat either;-) Seriously though, to big a boat can easily be more than you
>can handle.
>
>Spoken by one who doesn't have kids, but soon will learn first hand;-)
>
>Torsten Weirich
>
I think you are right on all counts.  When we bought the boat we decided
to let the kids take a friend whenever possible.  it is more fun for them
and we get to know their friends.  Our kids are at the age where this is
very important to us.  having said that if someones a pain they don't go
again.  Spontaneity, I wish.  With four busy people in the family about
the best we can do is, let's go boating tomorrow evening.  Your comment
on boat size is well taken.  I exaggerated to make a point.  Never have
all the things I mentioned happened at the same time but they have all
happened in combination.  My point was this: Within _reason_ give
yourself some room because you will probably need it.  Actually any
boat purchase is a balance between need(want), resources(money), and
capability(I sure hope I can get this thing back on the trailer without
putting a hole in it).  Sadly a day on any lake shows that a few don't
consider the third part of the formula.

hal

--
Hal Lynch
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
	DECnet:   USU::HAL
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Recomend good LORAN ???
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:11:46 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA



  A friend of mine has been investigating Loran and he and I both were
told by a professional who sells and installs expensive marine electronics
to go with the $200 unit currently being sold by West Marine (catalog and
retail). I don't have the model number. Just as with a boat, feature decisions
are up to you, but for a good basic unit that tells you where you are or
where you should be, this one is the most bang for the buck.

              Thatch Harvey
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 2 batteries -- how?
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:09:11 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards) writes:
>I'm electrifying my dad's 50+ year old sailboat.  Everything was pro-
>gressing smoothly until I decided to include wiring to allow a second
>battery to be added at some later date ...
       Considerable detail deleted about characteristics/options for
       installing a battery isolator.

     I've struggled with the best solution for this on several boats.
It's been my experience that parallel charging is convenient but will
cost you in the long haul.  Batteries with dissimilar states of charge,
as well as deterioration due to use and/or age will always cause one
of the batteries to be overcharged while the other is insufficiently
charged.  Add to this that some people even put deep cycle batteries
alongside standard high current batteries in isolator circuits.  In
these instances, shortened battery life is the result.

     I've found after going through many batteries, that battery life
can be *remarkably* extended by taking the time to select and charge
the batteries individually in the system you describe.  Often the
problem involves the situation where a flat house battery is being
charged simultaneously with the engine start battery.  In such a case,
I would recharge the engine battery, then the house.

     While recently setting up a new (for me) boat for extended cruising,
I had my suspicions about this confirmed upon reading several books
and articles on the subject.  There are now products on the market that
will monitor and charge the batteries with very sophisticated systems,
more than needed for your purposes.  All of these that I came across
started with the premise that parallel charging is to be avoided whenever
possible-- the only exception often permitted being where two batteries
of the same manufacture, size, type and age are installed permanently
in parallel for capacity purposes.

     What did I end up with?  An standard automotive-type engine battery
with it's own 35 amp alternator and engine gauge circuits.  A separate
house system with a 165 amp alternator and selectable, individually
monitored, deep cycle golf-cart battery banks.  The house batteries are
used until 50% discharged before switching batteries and recharging.
For emergency starting, pumping or broadcast power, the engine and house
systems have a parallelling switch.

-- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: CAD Program for Boat Modeling?
From: rstepno@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:12:13 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <3899@phred.UUCP>, mattp@phred.UUCP (Matt Pedersen) writes:
> In article 19640@fritz.filenet.com, daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards) writes:
>>In article <92226.083700RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Roxby) writes:
>>>Are there any programs that will construct a perspective model
>>>of a solid (boat hull) from x,y,z coordinates (table of offsets),
>>>and let you rotate the object and will simulate shading from
>>>light sources placed at different positions?  Thanks.
>>
>>I asked about CAD for boats here some time ago and got no response.
>>However, my research has turned up a source of software for the PC:

Matt has listed all the PC programs I've heard of.
On the Macintosh, there's at least one: MacSurf (as in surface,
not as in board), a family of a dozen programs or so from Graphic Magic,
PO Box 185, Cottesloe, WA, 6011, Australia. Tel 09 383 2114, Fax 09 384 0006.
US distributor is Chance & Co, Pratt St, Essex, CT 06426
entry-level price is $995 for single surface version
multiple surface version is $4500
Add-ons include hydrostatics and stability program, weight and balance
spreadsheet, plotting utility to send complete lines plans to plotters, a
Prefit program to bring an existing hull shape into MacSurf (fits a B-spline
surface through a table of offsets), and IOR and ACC measurement and rating
programs.
If you've got an America's Cup campaign coming up, I think you can spend
well over $10,000 on this stuff and have a great time!
By the way, Britt Chance teaches day-long seminars on yacht design with
MacSurf at the Kodak Center for Creative Imaging in Camden, Maine.
(800)428-7400 Cost is $200 a day for one to three days; includes a demo version
of the program and manual.
Anyone out there take this class?
Any other Mac programs out there?

Bob in Essex
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mwhhlaw!tim (Timothy E. Hollingsworth)
Subject: Re: re: Winter Boat Storage
Reply-To: uunet!mwhhlaw!tim
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:30:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.152647.17977@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu  
writes:
> when using a tarp for winter storage, make sure to have enough support and
> slope on the top.  Last winter I used the method of running the mast across
> yhe top of the cabin.  The slope between the mast and the life lines was in-
> adequate and water pooled there(tons of water).  The result pushed a
> stantion right through the deck.  This year I'll use a better frame or
> store her indoors.

I use the mast as a "ridgepole."  I elevate the mast about six feet above the  
deck.  Forward, I support the mast with an X made of two 2 x 4 x 8's.  I put  
one bolt through both about 1 1/2 feet from their ends.  The resulting scissors  
are guyed to a front cleat and a winch on the cabin top.  The bottom ends rest  
on the toe rail.  Aft, I use a single 2 x 6 which has a rounded notch in the  
end into which the mast fits.  It is lashed to the traveler, toe rail, and fore  
and aft.  I run lines from the mast to the toe rail in a couple of spots to  
secure the mast to the baot and provide support for the tarps.  Two traps over  
the mast make a tent with enough pitch to shed water and snow.  This has worked  
well for five winters.

--
Tim Hollingsworth
From: steve@acuson.com (Steve Benelisha)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hobie Cat Repair Question: Installing a new traveller car
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:46:20 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki) writes:

>This past weekend, the slide on the bottom of my main traveller car on my 
>Hobie 16 got destroyed. When it happened, the car got jammed in the track and 
>I had to pull real hard to get it to move. When it did move, the whole car 
>came right out of the track.

>I called New Hampshire Hobie Cat and ordered a new slide (heavy duty black
>plastic with metal rollers). They said that in order to re-install the car, I 
>had to drill out 2 rivets so that I could slide the car back into the track.  

>My question is this: Which 2 rivets? Either it's 2 of the rivets holding 
>the rear crossbar to the corner casting or it's the 2 rivets on the end of the 
>traveller track that hold the track to the crossbar.

>Does anyone out there have any experience in installing new traveller cars on 
>Hobies?
>-- 
>Mike Burzycki                             burzycki@sky.dnet.teradyne.com

I blew mine up during a jibe on a great day.

The rivets that you want to remove are the ones that hold the track to the 
crossbar. Go after the ones nearest the corner casting, that way you can
lift up the end of the track and slip in the new car.

BTW, just bought a H18. Much different/better traveller car design. I
think that it would take a lot to make it fail.

-Steve
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: strcklnd@rtsg.mot.com (Daniel R. Strickland)
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:38:25 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: nguyen@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Around the World books??
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:32:34 GMT

Hi boaters:

I'm looking for some books relating to around the world voyages made
by contemporary individuals.  I'm curious about the preparations that
go into such trips ( mental, physical, materials etc ).  Activities to
keep one's sanity.

Like most people, I was awed, curious, and excitedly following the
recent trip made by Bill Pinkney ( out of Chicago ).

Your recommendations are appreciated.  BTW, I once noticed an autobiography
about an 18 yrs old girl making such journey in a 26' sail boat a couple of 
years ago.  However I don't remember the exact title or the name of the 
individual.

Thanks,

Minh
  'Pray 4 HiWind'
From: cherasia@ursa.UUCP (Peter Cherasia)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Marine Supply shop
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:09:48 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


		
	
There are two discount marine supply stores that are close
	to your location; E&B Marine and Boat U.S.. They both carry
	fairly extensive inventories and their prices are competitive.
	In addition, they both have mail order catalogues which are 
	helpful for comparing prices/products.

	E&B has outlets in Eatontowne, Toms River and Perth Amboy. Boat U.S.
	has an outlet on RT 35N in Middletown. 



				Pete Cherasia 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid)
Subject: Re: Rule 39 question...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:57:20 GMT

:              U
:              T  O(ther J/24 promising beer to "T")
:  wind -->        X
: 

Did O actually make a deal with T (like promising beer)?  If so then this
could be a violation of the "individual effort" part of fundimental
rule C.


	Don Reid		HP - ICBD - Product Design
	750-2726 (telnet)	1050 NE Circle Blvd.
	donr@cv.hp.com          Corvallis, OR 97330
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Marine Binoculars
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:44:14 GMT

In article <Btwr4s.8L@news.orst.edu> kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman) writes:
>I'm looking around for an inexpensive pair of marine binoculars that have
>a compass incorporated inside. So far I've come up with:
>
>             Fujinon poseidon  $299
>             Bushnell Navigator $299 (on sale)
>             Tasco ???         $199
>
>Does anyone have any experience with these models? Comments or opinions or
>suggestions of other models??? Is it better in the long run to jump to the
>$600-800 range for Steiners? Is there a place where I might be able to find
>second-hand equipment?

I have a pair of Tasco's. They were cheap, which is nice. I fully expect 
someone to drop them overboard someday, and I won't be too bummed out by it. 

The compass works well after two summers, and my only complaint is that the
illumination for it is a bit weak. Also, for daytime illumination, it relies
on overhead light coming in through a small white disk on the top of the case.
The problem? The brim of my hat covers the disk, and I have to flip the brim up
to read the compass :-(. 

Advice? If you're considering the binocs vs a hockey-puck style compass, go
with the binocs. They work every bit as well, and provide a second
function---magnification. My hockey puck now lives in the nav desk, and in
tricky circs I'll pop up the companionway and take a set of bearings with it
from below, and then go back to the charts. But at the wheel, trying to pick
out that buoy the is uspposed to bear 235, the binocs are the way to go. Often,
having found the buoy with the binocs, I find I can see it with the naked eye
as well, oddly.

   Optics? The Tasco optics are OK. The collimation is good, and they seem to
be genuinely waterproof. Do they gather much light? Not really. I'd suppose
that they are 75% as good as my friend's Steiners. But I could have bought two
of them for the same price...
   The question then is, "How often do you need them in low-light situations."
My answer is "I've never needed them in a situation where they proved
inadequate." 

    Still, if someone gave me  set of Steiners, I wouldn't turn them down. It's
just that there are better things for me to spend $400 on. Like replacing the
hot-water heat exchanger that died last week...

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: MerCruiser Trim
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:39:03 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University
Keywords: MerCruiser Trim Power

The manual for my I/O (OMC cobra) says to run the boat at WOT (4500 on my boat)
and adjust the trim for maximum speed.  Watch the revs carefully.  An increase
in revs without an increase in speed indicates prop cavitation.  The manual
then says to zero the trim gauge.  Trim gauge, what trim gauge?!  Sigh.
--
Hal Lynch
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
	DECnet:   USU::HAL
From: daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:52:55 GMT
Reply-To: daver@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1009@tekcae.cax.tek.com> paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:
>>   For what it's worth, Olin recommends disposing of handheld flares more
>>than three years out of date by lighting them and immediately dropping 
>>them overboard. I don't remember anything about a pail of water. This may
>
>It seems odd that Olin would recommend littering the waterway
>with old toxic trash.

Um, maybe I'm missing something, but what happens to the "toxic trash" when
a flare is used normally for its intended purpose?  It seems to me that the
waste products will end up in the air and water regardless (ultimately).
What's the alternative?  Would it be better to add the toxic trash to a
landfill? 

As far as lighting it first, I'm not positive but I'll bet a burned flare
is more environmentally benign than a live one, which is probably why it's
better to light it before dumping it.  Also, it means no surprises down the
road, should it wash up somewhere and be found by people or animals.

Dave
From: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: query for boat show i
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:19:18 EST
Reply-To: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

SL>I'm trying to get information on where boat shows are going to be in the
SL>Northeast.  I think there is one in Newport, RI next month.  If someone

There's the North Atlantic Sailboat Show on Sept. 24 - 27 in Stamford, CT.
 Call 410-268-8828 for info.

                        ........Nate
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:31:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 17174@ans.net, hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:
 
> A simple question for all of you: If you buy a used boat, and want to change 
> the name, is this bad luck?

No.

Jeff Huntington
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Pollution laws
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:29:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.162108.255@lrc.edu> rheinze@lrc.edu  
writes:
> Is it true that government agencies are exempt from all
> the pollution laws?   If so, that is really a bad scene
> as the US Govt is the biggest polluter of them all.
> Meanwhile the govenment expects individuals and businesses
> to pay for the clean-up.

In all likelihood only Congress is totally exempt from the pollution
laws it has passed.

Government agencies, including the military, are subject to the same laws
as business, though the military can occasionally play the "national 
security" card.



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John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:52:16 GMT

In article <laf0fcINNo0b@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 92Sep4103732@kelvin.uio.no, oles@kelvin.uio.no (Ole Swang) writes:
>> In article 17174@ans.net, hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:
>
>> [How to get old stick-on letters off a hull]


>Heat them up with a hair dryer or heat gun.  If you still can't get a spot
>loose with your fingernail and s-l-o-w-l-y pull it off, use a putty knife or
>razor knife and CAREFULLY lift an edge to get it started.

Once you've got the letters off, there's the gummy stuff that sticks around
afterwards. Some things that help remove this: (1) mineral spirits; (2) rubbing
alcohol; (3) Avon Skin-So-Soft. 
   No kidding---#3 really *does* work well, even in some cases where the others
fail. It smells a lot (some people may *like* the smell), but it works. And
it'll keep masquitoes away from your transom.  (No kidding---the stuff makes a
decent mosquito repellent; I used it all over the place in Maine and Mass.
during the last two summers.)

-John

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden)
Subject: Re: FAQ WANTED
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:11:25 GMT


>  From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) Newsgroups: rec.boats

>  >  Are houseboats really boats?  If so, why? :-)
>  >
>
>
>  Nope.  See the above definitions.  I've never seen a houseboat
>  "navigate" (and yes, I'm including the ones with engines).  Have
>  you?

mine does -- up and down the mississippi so far.  i keep it between
the green ones and the red ones :-).

any other houseboat owners out there?  being new to this hobby, i'd be
interested in hearing about houseboat-specific concerns/problems.  i'm
also considering living aboard (not all year of course) and would like
to hear about other people's experiences.

maybe some of this belongs in the faq.

thanks,

-geo
---
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      *** Where "Research" is our middle name! ***
3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 -- (612)782-7769
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From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn) writes:
>Wow!  What a weekend--what a week.  I have never been so sore, tired, punchy
>and relieved in my entire life.  There, but for 40 miles, go us.
>
>   <Details of securing boats for hurricane deleted>
>
>We survived,
>Tonya

I don't know about the other netters, but with all of this responsibility--
houses, boats, etc. and no other help, I'd give this pair a TEN!  Hope
to never experience, but would settle for half as good an effort under
those frightening conditions.

-- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: rheinze@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Florida report
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:13:30 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

We will be looking for reports from Florida after Andres
blows through.   There probably will be a lot of stories to tell
and some of them should be helpful for everyone.