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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:28:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

One of the most interesting "factoids" I took back from the auto-free cities
conference I attended in Toronto in May was that Toronto has:

A sizeable area (of several hundred thousand people) including part of
downtown where 48% of households don't own a car.

A considerably larger area (which includes the above) where 25% of house-
holds don't own a car.

I was amazed -- even after observing a tremendous number of cyclists going
about their business on the city streets, enterprising young bicycle
mechanics doing a booming business on street corners with a box of tools
and a portable workstand, and after being able to travel by mass transit
at 1:00 am or 8:00 am on a Sunday without waiting more than 10 minutes for
a bus.

My current town of residence is supposed to be among the most bicycle-
friendly in the continent, but it doesn't compare to Toronto -- at least
in the summer :-).
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
From: mccallum@fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: OLYMPICS 100K
Summary: weak description
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:32:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

I haven't seen anyone posting this yet, and this will be lame,
but hopefully it will sate people until someone
is kind enough to post more complete results.

100K Mens TTT

1) Germany 2h 1m 
2) France
3) Italy
.
.
15) China
16) USA approx :13 mins behind

--Mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hrad@ellis.uchicago.edu (vincent peter hradil)
Subject: Re: Olympic results
Reply-To: hrad@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:25:58 GMT

In article <7023@lib.tmc.edu> cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith) writes:
>
>My boss happened to catch the NBC coverage this morning and saw that "an 
>American" (Connie Young) was beaten "by a frenchwoman" (Felicia Ballanger) 
>in a protest. Connie won the sprint but the French woman protested that 
>Connie had crossed (into or out of) the sprinter's lane.  Her protest 
>was upheld and she won. Later, Connie was racing a German and the
>German won.  Connie protested that the other woman had crossed 
>(into of out of) the sprinter's lane (according to 
>my boss, it was "just as bad as what she (Connie) had done in the 
>ride with the French woman"). Connie lost the protest.
>That's all my boss remembered.
>My paper doesn't mention Connie riding against a German and the only comment 
>at all (other than the results typed above) is "Connie Paraskevin-Young was 
>disqualified in women's cycling."
> Any more details, anyone?
>-------------

I saw the coverage this morning also, and I would have to agree with
your boss that the move the German put on Connie was "just as bad" as
the one Connie did.  The difference was, however, that Connie's swerve
in front of the French woman was coming off the final turn, when the
riders were in full sprint.  The German's swerve was as she was coming
down and going into the 3rd turn on the last lap.  That is, they were
just starting their sprints.  I'm not sure of what the rules are, or
how exactly they were interpretted, but it seemed to me that the
judges were a bit inconsistent.  Either both protests, or neither
should have been upheld.

Maybe some track riders could give us some better perspective.

vince hradil
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:40:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I have worked on aluminum aircraft so old and with so many
hours on them that I'm pretty sure they were autographed
by Wilbur and Orville.

I've worked on low aerial number DC-3's with no structural
fatique damage.
From: ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What's wrong w/ my Zefal Mini-pump?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 15:55:33 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory) writes:

>My Zefal Double-Shot mini-pump isn't working right.  It doesn't fill
...
>It acts as if the check valve isn't working correctly (i.e., it pumps
>back and forth OK but the tire doesn't fill with air; also, the pump
>handle sometimes "kicks back" when the handle is pushed all the way in
>on the in stroke.)  I couldn't find the check valve, tho, even after I
...
>Jim Gregory      freshair@iastate.edu    |  "10,000 lemmings can't be wrong"


My pump did this exact same thing right out of the package on day one.

I took it back to the store where I bought it and nobody could make it 
work.  We even tried other pumps to no avail.  A friend of the store
owner walks up after seeing us fighting with these pumps and says
"don't push the pump so far onto the presta valve".

So we just insterted the presta valve into the gasket in the pump head
less than 1/4" (far from bottoming out in the pump head), flipped the 
locking clamp lever up, and it worked great!

I have not taken it apart to find out how the pump head parts cause
this behavior but it works very well and I'm quite pleased...
especially after my front blowout during a century on Saturday.

Good luck,
Edzo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: smitty@es.com (Maurice Smith)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Reply-To: smitty@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:40:10 GMT

In article <l78hilINNpgc@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer) writes:
|> In article <l78gjcINNpff@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes: 
|> |> >You wanna tour?  Take the mtn bike.  Leave the skinny tire at home and use it
|> |> >to race.  For comfort, ADDED stability and durability, you can't beat an ATB
|> |> >for touring. 
|> |> 
|> Excuse me, but I can easily beat an ATB for touring. How, Ryan Vanguard
|> recumbent. No butt pain, no shoulder pain, no hand numbness. Nice upright
|> position so I can relax and take in the scenery. Sorry, but arguing about
|> whether a road bike or MTB is better for touring is like arguing whether
|> Sears or Montgomery Ward sells the best MTB's.:-) For long distance
|> touring a underseat-steering-long-wheelbase recumbent can't be touched.
|> 

-- 

:-) Amen, except that ANY recumbent will give the above benefits. 	:-)
:-) I prefer my hands up, so I ride a Tour Easy.  (Besides, where do	:-)
:-) you mount the cyclocomputer on those under-the-seat critters?)	:-)

======================================================================
 Maurice Smith                     |" I feel much better now that I've
 smitty@dsd.es.com  (use it!)      |  given up all hope." 
 Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | 
 Salt Lake City, Utah              |  #include <standard_disclaimer>


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: cable housing stops snapped off....
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.210724.11887@nlm.nih.gov> berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew  
Berman) writes:
> I have an old schwinn which has metal stops for the cable housing  
soldered
> onto the lower frame tube.  The metal stop is configured as follows:

..

> Two of these are connected together by a piece of metal and are  
separated by about
> 3/4 of an inch.  They are soldered (?) onto one of the tubes.  The  
problem is that
> one of these tabs has snapped off and will cost me about $75 to have  
soldered back
> on...any suggestions on how I can fix this?  I was told that schwinn  
used to make
> replacements for this but have since stopped.

The cheap way (that lets you fix it properly later) is to substitute a  
fully-housed cable with clamp-on clips or zip ties to hold the housing to  
the frame.  Most bike shops should have the clips for a buck or two.   
Total fix (you install) should be $10 or less.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Rob Gordon <rgordon@convex.COM>
Subject: Cape Cod Riding
Originator: rgordon@cvxcs
Reply-To: rgordon@convex.COM (Rob Gordon)
Organization: CONVEX Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:39:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Does anyone have any thoughts about Cape Code riding? Is there
anywhere to get in a long (safe) ride? Does riding to Provincetown
on Rt 6 make sense given wind and blowing sand possibilities?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Rob
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:31:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.133647.3411@gdt.bath.ac.uk>, ccsdhd@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:
|> I certainly hope that the original poster doesn't let
|> the presence of Greg stop him from watching the TV coverage of the
|> Kellogg's.  We've just got to keep the viewing figures up so Channel
|> 4 keeps screening the stuff, and preferably more of it. 

Being a couch potatoe (sic) isn't going to do much to promote cycling on T.V., Dennis.  You'll have to write a letter to C4 thanking them for the coverage.  Unless you're one of the few people who is monitored by the station they don't actually have a T.V. detector van stationed outside your home checking what you watch.

David.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: jeff344@lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Berton)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Reply-To: jeff344@voodoo.lerc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:33:02 GMT

In article <m8nm9tc.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> The author of the helmet bill for requiring mandatory helmet use
> for motorcyclists in California held a pres conference twherein
> he stated that his helmet bill had saved many many lives and saved
> the public some millions of dollars.
> 
> Later on a motorcycle lobbyist group showed numbers that revealed that
> ridership was down 40%-60% and that fatalities were actually up from
> last year. So the California experience has been that the motorcycle
> industry has been greatly injured and the public safety has actually
> lost ground.
> 
> Beware do-gooders -- they will never believe that their ideas are wrong
> even if it costs you your life.

There are also interesting economic consequences.  Since most motorcycle 
helmet law advocates often use the "public economic burden" arguments
to propagate their views, I'd like to echo some points made by ABATE of
California.
 
Their statistics suggest motorcycle sales drop by at least 25 percent in states
with mandatory helmet laws.  This is conservative, and is substantiated by the
ridership statistics now coming out of California, a state that has had their
law since January.
To save bandwidth, I won't repeat all of the details here, but as a consequence
of this lost ridership, California could lose $10 million in sales tax and
$13 million in registration fees each year.  There are also many less
tangible things like loss of employment in the motorcycle industry and the
corresponding losses of income tax and increased unemployment compensation.

Anyway, the point here is that mandatory helmet laws, from an economic
point of view, probably do not save money.  Parallels, to a point, may
be made with bicycling.

A far better approach is to this safety issue is education.  I haven't 
seen many postings in these net wars point this out.  States should
sponsor safety programs starting at the grade school level.  Bike shops
can do many things to promote safety at the adult level.  Helmet use can
increase, and it doesn't have to be at the expense of ridership or civil
liberties.

-------- Jeff Berton;  jeff344@voodoo.lerc.nasa.gov;  (216) 977-7031 --------
--------- Aeropropulsion Analysis Office, NASA Lewis Research Center --------
------------- "If headquarters is interested, we're interested!" ------------
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:50:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

Harry, I think that the limitations have nothing to do
with the bike type but with the muscle strength and
endurance. Theoretically, I would assume that a seated
recumbent rider having something to push against would
be able to more effectively use his muscle strength in
a climb vs the diamond frame riders necessity to work
his weight against the far less bracing gravity well. :-)

Since we both know that diamond frame riders climb at 
least as well as recumbent riders the limitations _must_
be in the strength of the rider and not the frame type.

And since a diamond bike is far lighter than a recumbent
the end result of _climbing_ must favor the standard
diamond frame bike. For downhills and flats there are other
results to the problem though.

It would be interesting to watch recumbent pursuits.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:10:10 GMT

Thomas H. Kunich writes:

< I'm willing to go so far as to agree that it wasn't an "accident"
< in the real sense of the word. Reckless endangerment certainly
< fills the bill here. But I'm sure the jackass didn't mean to, nor
< wanted to, hit, injure or otherwise bother the cyclist.

Holy crash test!  What's this "willing to go as far as".  You're not
on trial so why are you an apologist for this bigoted macho car-power
menace?  Reckless endangerment is not what is at hand.  This guy went
to the far side of the road to run over a bicyclist head-on.  If he
had not meant to run the cyclist down, why would he not even call for
help when he returned to the scene and saw that the rider was still
lying unconscious on the road.  He could have done this anonymously.
He was quit satisfied with what he had done and was proud of it,
showing his handiwork to a friend and making ghoulish remarks.

That he did not crash off the road indicates that he knew where he was
and went just far enough to strike the cyclist.  There has not been any
mention of alcohol in the description of the assault.  This is just so
much gratuitous presumption.  It is clear to me that some of those who
offered these ameliorating circumstances have not been confronted with
this kind of jerk.  If you are a bit assertive these guys will come out
from behind their tinted windows and blurt out, amidst rude language,
what it is they have in mind for you.  They sound a lot like the helmet
warriors who righteuosly wish permanent disfigurement and paralysis, if
not death on the "errant" bicyclist.  With the similarities in tone, I
find it odd that there is not more understanding for this kind of
intolerance of others.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: mtb chainrings - which are the best?
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:52:07 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Jul22.133315.11240@vicorp.com>, chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes...
>I'm about to overhaul my SuperGlide chainrings (as well as the chain
>and cassette).  Originally, I was going to purchase Sugino rings,
>because they seem to be of decent quality and not too expensive - I
>don't want to go back to SuperGlide because they wore down extremely
>quickly, and I don't find any great advantage to the pre-worn teeth.
> 
>But is Sugino the best choice?  There are a number of high quaility
>mtb chainrings on the market.  Which are the best?  Do the stainless
>steel versions perform well?
> 
>From what I understand, some designs of the small chain rings are
>supposed to prevent "chain suck" - do they work?  (I get chain suck
>once or twice a ride, usually when shifting very quickly on rough
>terrain.  I'm reluctant to add the "chain suck thing" unless I really
>need it).
> 
>So what rings are ringers?  
> 


     I am a profound supporter of the superglide rings.  They seem to shift
better than sugino, or sakae (SR).  The one ring I know for a fact is a 
godsend, is the 24 tooth lowring.  Get a stainless steel one if you can.
They shift perfectly under load, and are durable enough to outlast any
other component on your bike.  I have been racing for two years, made
the upgrade to steel the lowring about 6 months ago, and wondered how I 
ever went without it!  The 24-tooth is my choice because it allows you
to TEAR up just about any hill that should come along.  The Mounatain
Tamer Quad, is a fourth ring that can be added to the crankset, and allows
ring sizes of 16-20 teeth.  The rings that fit the quad, I believe, are
Hyperglide Cassette cogs, and fit quite well, I hear.  If you need 16 teeth
either you're tto nut's to be climbing hills, that steep, or you dont get out
enough.


      Joel Brodsky        jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                          jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                          jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                          jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Barbora Deschenes <BRAB@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Ottawa cycle groups
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:09:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.141542.26993@dragon.acadiau.ca> 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:
>Just want some info on the various bike groups in the
>Ottawa area.  How large, types of rides, organization?
>
Go to Ottawa Bikeway on Carling Ave (don't remember the address)
Not only is it a really nice store but the owner is the president of
the Ottawa bike association......you'll find plenty of info and help
there.
Barbora Deschenes(A missplaced Ottawan)
University of New Brunswick, Computing Services
barbora@unb.ca

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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: How often do you ride?
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 09:08:49 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima):
>
>I've recently purchased my first real road bike, and I'm interested in 
>participating in races.  The question I have is how often should I ride or
>how much should I ride before entering my first race.
>To give you some insight, I consider my self in shape but I've not ridden a
>bike seriously for over a year.

Ride, ride and ride. The only thing to do to get in good shape. If you have
not been riding a road bike before (or in many years), you need to ride a lot
so that you can learn how to handle your bike well, to use the gears right
etc. You also need to build up your body so that it get used to the bike and
the riding style. This may take several months depending on how much you
ride. Remember, don't push too hard in the beginning. Ride a easy gear before
you really begin to push the big gear.

>Also, I've just read the book written by Phinney/Carpenter, and they recommend that
>a novice racer should  ride it least 10 hours a week.  To me this sounds like a lot.
>Although I can make time for it, I'd like to enjoy other activities as well. (e.g.
>tennis, roller blading, etc.) If I want to race do I have to give it all up?

No, you do not have to give it all up. But more hours are in most cases of
the good one and you will benefit from it when in a race. When I began biking
3 years ago, a fiend of my told me that I have to use about 2 hours per day
in average with training and to service my bike(s). I thought is was a lot of
time, but today I'm spending more than 2 hours per days.

>Does every USCF lisenced racers ride this much (or more)?
>(Note, Although I want to be competitive, I'm not aiming to be a national champion.
> Winning a Cat 4 on once or twice would be nice though :))

I have no idea.

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From: snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Subject: Honking Horns
Reply-To: snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:56:38 GMT

In article <Bs7tCz.KDx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>,
gwalker@lily04.waterloo.edu (Greg Walker) writes:
|>> [some stuff deleted for brevity's sake]
|>> Honking and bells should be reserved for ``unusual situations''
otherwise they
|>> just become to common and end up being ignored.
|>
|>I'm told that Europeans, (the French in particular), use their horns as I
|>described above, and that Paris is a constant cacophony of those chirpy
|>little import car horns.  (I.e. not the American-made fog horns usually found
|>on Buicks et al).  Nevertheless, you can still tell which horns are being
|>sounded near you, and the drivers don't simply ignore them, the same way
|>that we don't ignore turn signals.

Having completed a bike tour in Portugal this ast April I can attest that 
about 90% of cars passing politely 'beep' the horn in order to let you know
they are there. The manner in which it was done never (to me) seemed to imply
anything other than 'good' intentions. As an FYI I also noticed 'beeps' of the
horn when passing horse drawn carriages and assorted farm equipment.
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul23.180300.22459
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 18855@gn.ecn.purdue.edu, seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn) writes:
  The only
>difference I know of is that Thule is from Sweden and Yakima is from the
>west coast (Yakima, Washington?).  Most shops around here tend to carry
>Yakima instead of Thule, so it's a bit more difficult to get stuff.
Yakima used to be in Yakima, WA.  Now they are in Eureka, CA.  I prefer the
Yakima, myself.

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Are You a Bikaholic?
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 09:33:22 EDT

You are an incureable bikeaholic when you got a member card in the AIB,
"Anonymous Incurable Bikoholics".

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