HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Detachable Face Plates
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:07:31 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <3750@tivoli.UUCP> paul@tivoli.com (Paul Greenspan) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I just had a Sony 5180 CD player installed in my '93 Saturn.  I really like
>the player and the fact that it has a detachable face plate.  However,
>I'm now concerend that taking the face plate on and off all of the time is
>going to wear out the contacts.  
>
>I'd like to get people's experiences with detachable face plates.  How long
>have you had one and how often do you remove it.
>
>I didn't get the extended warranty coverage, but I might change my mind if
>I think that I'll be having problems.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Paul
>-- 
>Paul Greenspan              paul@tivoli.com 
>Tivoli Systems              6034 West Courtyard, Suite 210
>Austin, Texas  78730        (512) 794-9070  /  FAX (512) 794-0623

I have had a Pioneer DEH-300, which is an AM/FM stereo with CD changer
controls. It has a removeable face plate, and I've had it since January of
1991. Sometimes the contacts get dirty and I get garbage on the screen.  
After cleaning the contacts with rubbing alcohol, the problem goes away.
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: CD Changer Sound Quality
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:12:23 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep7.140857.19449@news.duc.auburn.edu> kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of getting a CD changer for my 89 Plymouth Voyager.  
>It has the "premium" factory system with Infinity speakers, multiple 
>amps, etc. and sounds pretty good, so I don't want to mess with what's 
>already there.  I'd like to put the changer under the driver's seat.
>
>Most changers I've seen have an RF modulator to play through the radio. 
>I just don't see how this can sound as good as running direct into the 
>amps.  The salespeople at the local shops say you can't tell the 
>difference.  Has anyone done a comparison?  Notice a difference?  If so, 
>please describe.  Also what's this I hear about changers scratching discs?
>If this is the case maybe I don't want one.
>
>Also what are the differences in sound quality in the different changers?  
>I can hear differences in home units and picked the NAD 5000 to replace 
>my old Technics that sounded like crap.  Unfortunately most shops around 
>here aren't set up to compare changers against one another, or direct 
>connect against RF modulated.
>
>Thanks,
>Kevin Sullivan

Even the manufacturers of Cd changers will tell you that a CD changer
played through an RF modulator has less frequency response than one played 
through a head unit with CD changer controls. Go with the head unit with 
CD changer controls for bete sound.
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:32:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston 757's for sale
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car

/ hplred:rec.audio.car / yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang) /  5:37 am  Sep 10, 1992 /
 > Boston 757's for sale:
 > 
 > I have a pair of brand new Boston Acoustics 5.25" 2-way speakers 
 > (model 757) for sale at $120  o.b.o. for the pair. Please let me know if you 
 > interested. They sound great, but I just want to upgrade to a component 
 > system.  Thanks.

But I can find a pair of new BA 757's for about $105 at my local
authorized BA dealer. Maybe the priced has dropped since you bought
yours.

- Allan
----------

Thanks for the info, I guess I had priced them locally at "the Good Guys"
(for 130 + tax) who have a low price guarantee, and I guess I had limited 
information.  So sorry if my asking price is out of line, I just misunderstood.
Maybe if I can't get much for them I might hang on to them for now until
I have more money to upgrade.  In the meantime, I'm still open to offers.
Sorry once again, and thanks everybody!

Farshid
From: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: DETACHABLE FACE PLATES
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 

Paul,
        I got a Pioneer removeable face palyer and absolutley love it.
Pioneer did the removeable face long before Sony and had a few probs
with the contacts at first but they eventually got that perfected..I
think.  I think Sony waited so that they could get it right the first
time.  I would not worry about the thing.  Heck it can't be worse than a
full pull out(unless abused).  Anyway....How much could it cost to get
the contacts replaced.  Don't worry about it just take car of the thing.
                Later,  Rob Runkle
                                                                                                       
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:48:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Using a separate battery:  Perfect Interface or Bat Isolator
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car

>
>Is it dangerous to hook 2 batteries in parallel for Very short periods
>of time anyone?
>
>I want to add like a motorcycle battery and in case my regular battery fails,
>I can flip a switch to send current from the motorcycle battery to start
>the motor....
>-- 
>Paul Simundza                  | Cleve.Freenet: ae454@cwru.edu
>----------
You can hook them in parallel for as long as you want.  I wouldn't use an
isolator since anything that needs massive heatsinks isn't reliable.  I
went the route with my van of installing the factory option second battery.
This system (Ford) uses a special relay to connect the two batteries once
the engine is running.  I use a huge deep cycle battery for my alternate
and run my hifi off it.  You can order the schematics from Ford, but they
are fairly complex to do it yourself or pay a shop hundreds to do it for
you (Van conversion shops wanted $300+).  Using all stock parts from
Ford, after blowing two relays up that were listed wrong in their 
microfeisch, it cost me about $100-$150 to do it myself.  You could 
probably do it for about half that if you built alot of the parts
yourself.

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: >>> Car Audio Deck 4-Sale - Soundstream EC308 <<<
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:21:36 GMT

In article <295N02Aj21U501@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com () writes:
>SOUNDSTREAM - car audio system 
>
>Soundstream EC 308       
>  - Top of the line 
>  - Tuner ,Casette 
>  - Pullout
>  - CD input 
>  - Dolby B/C
>  - Preamp
>  - AutoReverse
>  - Music Search 
>  - Removable Handle 
>  - Orginal purchase price $550.00
>  - Asking $225.00/obo + shipping.
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________ 
>
>Reply to : dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com
>           (408) 746-8080
>           (415) 340-3800
>
>______________________________________________________________________________ 

Is this an automated posting or what? I've seen it regulararly for months now
and apparantly  no one is taking him up on it... You'd think he'd lower the 
price... 

Just an obeservation, I'm perfectly happy with my Clarion Pullout
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: 3 1/2" Drivers for a '81 Datsun 280ZX Dash
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:30:52 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In rec.audio.car, wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein) writes:
>        Try looking into the Pioneer 3 1/2in.  They have a few models
>under $50.  Such as the ts-1018, which I've seen for $30.

    I was at the Crutchfield outlet purchasing a bunch of stuff to eventually
supply my local market in stolen car stereos (already getting off track)..
The sales guy (who was very straightforward) said there wasn't much
difference between the high and low end 3.5" speakers and reccomended
a cheaper pair.  I got the Clarions and have been happy with them.
They are all that's left from the original purchase :(.

--____________________________________________________
]      Stu Mennitt      smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil    [
]  NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv     Bethesda, Maryland [
]         was: David Taylor Research Center           [
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From: laflisc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: speaker outputs -> pre-amp inputs
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:34:11 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Sep15.151124.28809@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy) writes:
> In article <BuMFIG.EKA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ljkong@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Lennard J. Kong) writes:
>>
>>  I can give you a the solution a friend of mine used, all he did was add a  
   resistor to the speaker outputs, I'm not sure what was the resistance but it
 waseither 10k or 100k ohms. The quality wasn't that bad, and it still works and    hasn't affected any of the equipment following.
>>
> 
> This could cause serious damage to the head unit IF the output
> of the headunit uses a bridged amplifier.  If your friend had
> no problem, he just lucked out and has a common ground output
> on his head unit. 
> 
> Marc.
> 
> 

This is true.  The guy who first put the resistor in bewteen his radio
and drivers could have really burnt his shit up.  It would have been
like just connecting the outputs together.  That would of been a good
way to lose his radio.  I would tell him to lose this great invention
and spent $20-$30 on the right piece.  
			
						Scott
Organization: University/Publications & Printing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:26:22 -0400 
From: "James M. Gollick" <jg4y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: >>> Car Audio Deck 4-Sale - Soundstream EC308 <<<

Does anyone have a stock GM - AM-FM STEREO CASSETTE for sale for a 1989
model,  the new style?
From: faith@amiganet.chi.il.us (Fred Drummand)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Need AMP! AND SPEAKERS
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:37:59 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems





Am In Need of good speakers for BASS, and a decent sized amp that is mid
priced, If You might havesomething i might be interested in let meknow!

Fred Drummand
Collumbia College
Graphic Arts Major
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Late Model Chevy Truck Stereos
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:27:12 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 92Sep2141351@kuwait.gdfwc3, young@gdfwc3 (Mark Young) writes:
>
>Was there ever a response to the question as to how to increase
>the power output by late model Chevy Truck factory radios?
>I never saw one!
>Also, I understand that these same stereos have line-level
>output capabilities.  Does anyone know which connector has 
>the line level and if anyone makes an adaptor which mates
>the Chevy connector to an RCA type connector?

I'm interested too.  I have a '91 fullsized 4x4 with a Sony CD changer.
The CD changer works great however the radio unit kind of sucks, especially
the FM sensitivity.  Any help on the FM stage?  I tried an antenna booster
and that didn't help.


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Disclaimer:	Opinions expressed are mine and only mine
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: MAIL ORDER FOR ALPINE
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> Does anyone have any experience with the Alpine 3566 amp?  With its 6
-> ch mode of 4x30w and 2x60w or 5 ch mode of 4x30w and 1x160w, it seems
-> like it would be a good choice for a front, rear & sub system.

  I've never used the 3566, but have used the 3554 (50x4 or 50x2 and 150
x 1).  I've used it to run 2 Orion 15" XTR's in a sealed box and it runs
it loud, clean, and accurate.  Never had a problem with Alpines, and
they have never shut down on me.


Erich Lim
erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
           
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Subject: Re: Boston 757's for sale
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:37:14 GMT

 > From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
 > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:30:40 GMT
 > Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
 > 
 > Boston 757's for sale:
 > 
 > I have a pair of brand new Boston Acoustics 5.25" 2-way speakers 
 > (model 757) for sale at $120  o.b.o. for the pair. Please let me know if you 
 > interested. They sound great, but I just want to upgrade to a component 
 > system.  Thanks.

But I can find a pair of new BA 757's for about $105 at my local
authorized BA dealer. Maybe the priced has dropped since you bought
yours.

- Allan
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: patchen@chemvx.tamu.edu (Don Patchen : Grading Director)
Subject: Good Stereo Place in College Station to take Nak TD400
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Freshman Chemistry Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:18:00 GMT

Howdy,

	I've had a Nakamichi TD400 in my car for about 4 or 5 years and have
been completely satisfied with it.  Recently I have been losing performance
with the tape player.  I have tried cleaning it with Alsop wet systems, by hand
with swabs, and using an electronic demagnetizer.  Nothing is really working.
I am also losing treble on the left channel.  I am assuming that the head is
probably out of alignment..  (this model doesnt have a manual azimuth control)
The other possiblity is that my cross-over is messing up, but it is newer than
the deck is.  
	The point being, does anyone know a good place in either College Station
(where I am now) or in Austin that is reputable and does good work...cheaply
if possible ??  I originally got the stereo from Custom Sounds in Austin and
they will take it out and put it back in for free...  (lifetime warrantee and
all that) but if I can find a good place here the offset of time and gas money
may be better.  So if anyone knows anything please post it or email me.
Thanks..

Don
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: CD players
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:53:52 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Sep14.055913.3059@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Barry) writes:

|> ... the non CD cartridge single players are too easy to scratch discs with.

   IMHO, you are more likely to scratch the disc loading it into the cartridge,
   especially the JVC cartridge.  I tried the JVC at the dealer's and couldn't 
   see how you couldn't help but scratch the disc on the corners or edges.
   Imagine driving while trying to remove a dics from the cartridge, then insert
   another disc into the cartridge, and then inserting the cartridge.  Kind of
   awkward, huh.  Why not "cut out the middle man" and insert the disc directly
   into the deck.  The good quality CD Decks like Alpine have foam surrounding 
   the disc slots, nothing to scratch a disc on.  True, you may have to be more
   careful with your aim when loading a disc directly, but then, I don't want 
   to bang a cartridge into the deck playing "blind man's bluff" either.  :)

|> The only companies I have ever seen that offered CD Cartridge are
|> JVC and Blankpunt.  But alas, their new models seem to have moved totally
|> away from this.

   Maybe because the cartridge is a good idea but it just didn't sell.  And
   maybe because it wasn't that benefical and/or too awkward to use, IMHO.

 TRAVIS
From: frankb@chip.tek.com (Frank Borden  436)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Protecting Equipment from voltage spikes
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:22:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.audio.car
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


Hello netters,

All of this talk of High Output Alternators and additional batteries has
got me a bit worried. I may be pushing my alternator pretty hard but I
do not have the finances right now to upgrade to a more powerful alternator
or an additional battery. What can I do to protect my audio equipment from
possible voltage spikes that may occur because of a hard working alternator.

What are some of the signs when an alternator can not keep up with demand?
Will the voltage drop significantly? Could I check to see if my alternator is
adequate by turning on all my accessaries (with the motor at about 2000 rpm for
max alternator output) and checking to see if the voltage at the battery
drops when a loud bass note hits? 

Someone wrote that chokes, inductors and caps could be used to block and
absorb some of these problems. I would really appreciate more information
on how this could be done. I realize that the only real solution would be
to upgrade my alternator but for now I would like to add some protective
electronics and try to keep it turned down a bit until finances look
better.

As a side question:
If an amplifier has a 15 amp fuse, how many amps would it be expected to
draw on average? 30 amp fuse?

Thanks for any and all help!

Frank Borden
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: How to determine wire size 1,2,4,8 ?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:16:15 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <5550@dove.nist.gov>, keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:

|> Here's the question:
|> 
|> For a run of 20 feet, and amplification of about 350 watts, what is the 
|> smallest guage power wire that i can use safely? And how is this determined?

   The key is the amount of CURRENT (amps) that your system will 
require. This is determined by adding up the maximum current usage
specified for each component. This total amperage determines what
guage wire you need. Certain guages can safely carry certain amounts
of current. I don't have a guage-amp chart with me, but I think
8 guage wire can safely carry 30 amps for 20 feet. (?) Obviously, you
should get at least the minimum guage required, and the lowest guage
that you can afford.

|> Larry

-- Tim
From: cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Need AMP! AND SPEAKERS
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:40:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <faith.07w4@amiganet.chi.il.us> faith@amiganet.chi.il.us (Fred Drummand) writes:
>
>
>
>
>Am In Need of good speakers for BASS, and a decent sized amp that is mid
>priced, If You might havesomething i might be interested in let meknow!
>
>Fred Drummand
>Collumbia College
>Graphic Arts Major

	Um Fred?

	What size speaker(s) are you looking for? 8" or 18"?

	What is your price range?
	Where are you putting it?

	The list goes on and on.
	We need more info.

	Also the '92 July/August issue of Car Stereo Review has a
buyer's guide. It might come in handy.


					 
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From: sb611785@longs.lance.colostate.edu (s.burden)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Sub Box Sectioning
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:30:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College, Ft. Collins, CO 80523


	I'm currently in the process of a subwoofer instalation for a '74 Bronco.
 What I'm looking into is a sealed enclosure of about 7 cu ft with two 15"
drivers.  One good thing (probably the only thing) going for the truck is that I have a huge amount of air
space to play around with.  Receintly in some magazine a question was brought up
concerning the sectioning of a sealed enclosure.  It was never really answered.  My question
is this:  Are there any benefits such as better reproduction, lower bass, ect. if
I went with a non-sectioned box?  Thanks in advance.       
                                  
                                    Sean Burden
                                 sb611785@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: tjd28@cas.org ()
Subject: RF Punch Amps
Organization: Columbus State Community College, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:35:44 GMT


Could anyone give me some info on the power/sound output of the Rockford
Fosgate Punch Amps?  I am going to be installing 4 Kicker 12"`s in my
car and I want really good strong bass with as little power as possible.

I would like to keep total watts under 100 and if I can't then I want to
go to 200-299 total watts.  So, will two Punch 45's do it or will I need
MORE POWER -- AR AR AR.

Thanks alot,

Trav
tjd28@cas.org
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: tafrakes@athena.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes)
Subject: Car DATs
Keywords: DAT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:13:46 GMT


Does anyone out there have a DAT in their car?  I thought Ford offered
them their premium sound systems (T-bird, perhaps?).  What would be the
best portable for car audio?  If anyone installed one themselves, do you
have any problems with it?


-----
T. Andy Frakes (tafrakes@athena.mit.edu)
-----
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan)
Subject: CD Changer Sound Quality
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:08:57 GMT


I'm thinking of getting a CD changer for my 89 Plymouth Voyager.  
It has the "premium" factory system with Infinity speakers, multiple 
amps, etc. and sounds pretty good, so I don't want to mess with what's 
already there.  I'd like to put the changer under the driver's seat.

Most changers I've seen have an RF modulator to play through the radio. 
I just don't see how this can sound as good as running direct into the 
amps.  The salespeople at the local shops say you can't tell the 
difference.  Has anyone done a comparison?  Notice a difference?  If so, 
please describe.  Also what's this I hear about changers scratching discs?
If this is the case maybe I don't want one.

Also what are the differences in sound quality in the different changers?  
I can hear differences in home units and picked the NAD 5000 to replace 
my old Technics that sounded like crap.  Unfortunately most shops around 
here aren't set up to compare changers against one another, or direct 
connect against RF modulated.

Thanks,
Kevin Sullivan

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Passages through firewall
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:45:20 GMT

and when you're sizing up a hole (:-), try and pick the one that *doesn't*
have powered wire harnesses already running through it.  if the routing's
done right, it will eliminate the need for a noise filter.  i originally
used a different hole, which was easier to access and which provided me with
mega-engine noise.  you'd think the speedo cable would do the same, but it
doesn't -- at least, not on the '88 integras.  ymmv.

cliff
From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: >>> Car Audio Deck 4-Sale - Soundstream EC308 <<<
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

SOUNDSTREAM - car audio system 

Soundstream EC 308       
  - Top of the line 
  - Tuner ,Casette 
  - Pullout
  - CD input 
  - Dolby B/C
  - Preamp
  - AutoReverse
  - Music Search 
  - Removable Handle 
  - Orginal purchase price $550.00
  - Asking $225.00/obo + shipping.


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