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Subject: Re: Previews.... August/ September 1992
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:16:33 GMT
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>From: huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
>
>>                          FESTIVAL CALENDAR
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>...
>
>Oct. 29-Nov. 1          Virginia Festival of American Film
>800.UVA.FEST
>(Sidney Poitier, Robert Duvall, Roger Ebert, the authors of _Driving Miss
>Daisy_, and _Rambling Rose_)

Also:-

Nov. 5-22		The 36th London Film Festival
Call (UK number) 071 928 2695 for more details.
(Closes with Ridley Scott presenting his director's cut of _Blade Runner_)

>Thanks, Bill!

Ditto -- another fine job.
			    Liam.
			    ====-
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:59:44 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Living End-the movie

I doubt this movie will get wide distribution, but that makes me all
the more curious to find out if others have heard of it.  It has been
described as a Thelma-and-Louise of two HIV-positive gay men.  It won't
win any awards for slick production, but if you're looking for the
antithesis of Hollywood production values, you could do worse than look
here.

As will probably be the case with anyone seeing it in a theater, when I
saw it last night the audience was predominantly gay men, and audience
reaction was a substantial part of the experience.

I'll stop here, and see if others want to discuss it.  How about that
ending, eh?

Rick Francis
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:48:16 GMT
From:         HAUGHD88@IRLEARN.UCD.IE
Subject:      Re: IRISH?
              9 Oct 1992 13:29:06 GMT from <SMYTHERS@MAIL.LOC.GOV>

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:29:06 GMT LYLE B SMYTHERS said:
>
>          By Irish do  you  mean Gaelic?  And  if  so,  has  it  now become
>          politically correct to refer  to Gaelic as "Irish" the  way black
>          became Afro-American  is  becoming  African  American,  and  this
>          change just slipped by me?


I'm puzzled. I don't see the connection between language and being
"politically correct" (which in and of itself is a ludicrous concept
to me, being potentially undemocratic insofar as people's opinions and
attitudes can be restrained by fear of ridicule or censure. But enough
of thast...)

You are confusing a number of things here, namely Nationality and Language.
"Gaelic" does not exist on its own, in an international context. One can
refer to "Scots Gaelic" as a language; (however, the Scots can refer to
"Gaelic" as opposed to "English" to refer to their own language).

"Gaelic" as a nationality does not exist. The term "Celtic" is more
appropriate, encompassing Scottish, Welsh, Breton, Cornish, Manx and Irish.

"Irish" can refer to the people of Ireland; it is also the correct name for
what we think of as the indigenous language of Ireland. One can refer to
"Irish Gaelic" in a similar manner as referring to "Scots Gaelic", though
it is a quite uncommon usage.

When Irish people refer to "Gaelic", they're talking about a type of football
game peculiar to Ireland !


Hope this clears up some confusion for you :)

-- bjh, Dublin, Ireland.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:24:21 -0400
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Subject:      Re: Winds of Something:Review

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            16-Oct-1992 10:08am EDT
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    Dick,
    Since the infomercial industry is now having its own annual Awards
    ceremony, your critique of Ross Perot's prformance is absoutely
    necessary. Inquiring minds want to know whether he'll get nominated.

    MICHEL


    P.S.: WARNING. DON'T READ DICK'S POSTINGS WHILE EATING A BAGEL! I
    almost choked on mine this morning. Obviously, giggles and bagels don't
    mix. :-)

          M.
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From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Andy Garcia

Some news show did a small piece on Garcia going back to Florida to help out
residents stricken by the hurricane.  I also got the impression that
he's rather down-to-earth.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:35:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: Denholm Elliot

>British actor Denholm Elliot died last week of an AIDS related
>illness.  In a long, and distinguished career, he always seemed to play
>the supporting character, and would often steal the show.  He is perhaps
>best remembered by modern movie audiences for his parts in _Trading Places_
>and _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade_.
>
>                       Liam.
>                       ====-

        This is such sad news. He was always good..._A Room with a View_,
_A Private Function_, dozens I can't think of because it's only  8:30.
I'm glad _A Child's Christmas in Wales_ is on every year. Does anybody
feel ambitious enough to post a filmography? This is the first time in
a long time an actor who meant something to me died. Isn't it an odd
feeling, to mourn someone you didn't even know.


                Sue
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Subject: Letahl Weapons
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:54:09 GMT
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>Ah yes. The one in which Ms Andress kills men with her brassiere. I dream
>about that movie regularly. Good old two-gun Ursula. It changed me forever.

I think I'd really like to see that movie. It sounds almost as classy
as Barbarella.

>Has it occurred to anyone that "Ursula Andress" is a spoonerism?

>kjf-

And a fairly appropriate spoonerism too........

                        j.s.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:41:25 BST
From:         "(John Smyth)" <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      HAGGIS

Liam's story sounds more like
a shaggy dog than a Haggis
            John
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Subject: Re: Fatal Attraction
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:01:46 GMT
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Euge, I haven't decided yet whether it's worth buying Fatal, at least on
disc (which is about $50 list instead of $25? for the cassette).  I'm
afraid, though, I'm not a major fan of the film anyway, though it's enjoyable.

Jeff Clark
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:28:27 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      unemployed politicos

REPLY TO 10/15/92 14:42 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": unemployed politicos

Dick, I've been dying to ask you -- are you a Catholic priest?   or
just catholic (small c) in your interests?  or both?  I think there's
a writing position waiting for you with THE SIMPSONS -- and I truly
mean this as high praise.  Maybe you should approach your local paper
(or the Washington Post) about getting your own column.

Jennifer

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:57:09 BST
From:         "(John Smyth)" <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      All the Presidential Men

I know this isn't a movie question,
but as Dan Quayle has already been mentioned
(and ridiculed), I'll ask anyway.

What did y'all think of the debate between
Bush, Clinton and Perot last night ?
I thought Bush started very badly
but seemed to settle down after about an
hour. Clinton started well, but seemed
to be just reciting well-practised
answers as the debate wore on. I thought
he was more impressive than Bush, though.
As for Ross Perot, I thought he enlivened
the proceedings with his shoot-from-the-hip
comments. The press (in Ireland) seemed to
think Clinton put up the better show.
 Any comments from people who'll have the
chance to vote for these fine,upstanding,
sincere politicians...
                        John
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:33:53 -0300
From:         "(Don McCreary)" <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Am I bored with Hollywood?

I watched three movies this Thanksgiving weekend: Until the End of the World
(starring William Hurt and Jeanne Moreau, dir by Wim Wenders), Monster in a
Box (Spalding Gray) and Prosperos Books (Greenaway).  All of them were
amazing and yet they were so different.  It got me wondering whether I am just
tired of the same drivel coming out of Hollywood these days -- predictable
plots geared toward star-power as opposed to making an interesting statement.
There has been a thread recently here along these lines: when we were talking
about the Merchant-Ivory and Greenaway films and how they were funded.  I heard
someone say something about the reasons the 70s were so diverse in what they
offered was that there was more input from the actors and more "marginal"
money-making films were made as a result.  Have we swung too far in the
opposite direction (the old pendulum analogy) or should I get out my rocking
chair and quilts and live the life of the stereotypical crotchety "youngish"
man???  Maybe I am having a flashback to _The Player_??

Don
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Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:11:00 GMT
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                                        Date:     15-Oct-1992 04:06pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Dracula

For many of us, the forbidden mixture of religion, eroticism, and symbolic
violence, in literature and movies, is still, at the very least...shall we say,
interesting.  Imagine the effect that combination would have on an adolescent
boy's heart...not to mention his other body parts.  Sounds pretty normal to me.

The Opposite Ellen
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Subject: Silence of the Lambs vs. Manhunter
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:03:37 GMT
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Just thought I take a minute to spout off about _Silence of
the Lambs_ and how it measures up to its predecessor, _Manhunter_.

_Silence_'s Lechtor (sp), though much more charismatic, lacked the quiet
devilishness of _Manhunter_'s mad doctor.  I don't know how played him in
Michael Mann's picture, but he seemed so cool, so calculating.  I found that
incarnation of the character much more haunting than Hopkins's.

_Manhunter_ was more complex psychologically, as well.  It was fascinating to
watch the FBI agent, whatever his name was, slip back into the psychotic mind-
set he needed to put on to catch his man.  I didn't feel anything like that
with Jodie Foster.  In fact, I didn't see a real change in her at all, except
for some mumb-jumbo about "the lambs are quiet now," or some such.

Granted, _Manhunter_ is dated, but _SOTL_ is very early 90's in its look &
feel.

Maybe I'm just not seeing something everyone else is.  Will someone help me out
out                                                             Shaka!
                                                                Alex Ellermann
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:07:16 -0500
From:         "(Currie Thompson)" <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      EL BULTO (EXCESS BAGGAGE)--Anyone familiar with it?

    Is anyone on the network familiar with the Mexican film EL BULTO
(translated as EXCESS BAGGAGE) directed by Gabriel Retes?  If so, please
give me some feedback so I can decide whether I want to go see it tonight.
As some of you may know by now, I am especially interested in Hispanic
films and would normally go see any Hispanic movie I had not seen.  But
to see this film I will need to drive for 1 hour and 45 minutes to D.C.,
where it is being shown in the Americas Film Festival at the Kennedy Center
and then drive another 1 hour and 45 minutes back.  Since the other
Hispanic film being shown tonight in the festival is an Argentine film I
have already seen (Jorge Polaco's SIEMPRE ES DIFICIL VOLVER A CASA [IT IS
ALWAYS HARD TO RETURN HOME]--a very uninspired work on commission by a
director who has done some interesting work in the past), this means I
would have to drive three and a half hours just to see this film.  Add to
this that it is raining and that I am recovering from mono and exhausted,
and I simply don't want to invest this much effort unless the film is good.
So--if you have read a review, please share it with me.  Or if you have seen
the film, give me your reaction.  Thanks.
Currie Thompson
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Subject: Re: Touch of Evil: Complete uncut restored version
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                                        Date:     16-Oct-1992 02:23pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Touch of Evil: Complete uncut restored version

Rick:

The horse is dead and on its way to the glue factory.  You can put your club
down now.

Ellen

;)
From: C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU (Rick Francis)
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Subject: Touch of Evil: Complete uncut restored version
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:25:07 GMT
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Is someone on the list familiar with the history of versions of
Welles' Touch of Evil?  Our library purchased a videocassette which
purports to be the "Complete uncut restored version".  What does this
mean?  I've read interviews with Welles in which he disavows the final
editing of the film, saying "I've directed eight films, and I've been
able to edit only three of them myself."  _Touch of Evil_ was not one
of those three...

Thanks in advance.  A related query:  who wrote the novel, Badge of
Evil, of which the film is a translation OOPS I mean an adaptation?
Is it Whit Masterson, or is it Robert Wade and William Miller?  Or, as
seems likely, is Whit Masterson a pseudonym of the twosome?

Hey, I wonder why any adaptation/translation was necessary, anyhow?  I
would think the novel would be far more accessible than, say, James
Fenimore Cooper's writing, which folks on this list will only
abide in punched-up, colorized version.  Or could it be... that once
again a translation yields the survival of another otherwise-forgotten
artifact?  I wonder how many believe the film version can be better than
the original text?  Seems universal in the case of poor Cooper.  Welles'
version of Kafka or Shakespeare?  Defilement, or weak shallow trans-
lation, to use terms offered by others on this list?  Or legitimate
transformation?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  I wouldn't mind a response, though.

________________________________________________________________________
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Subject:      Sexism

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                                        Date:     09-Oct-1992 10:21am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Sexism

MK's observation that Mary Tyler Moore's character in "Ordinary People" is
strong, is a stereotype on MK's part.  Strong does not equal silent, cold,
rejecting.  If she had been a truly strong character, she would have worked
through the anger rather than being so afraid of it that it became all
consuming and in order to shut it out she had to shut everything and everyone
out.  The character was, however, human, which made the story believable and
acceptable and not, IMO, sexist.

Ellen
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:48:30 EST
From:         "(Steve X. Portigal)" <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Biting of the Rump
              "ELGFROEHRER%PSUCES.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Oct 7, 92 2:28 pm

ELGFROEHRER%PSUCES.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU writes:
>
> kjf-
>
> Geez, I'm puzzled, it works when I do it.  You need a character witness?
>
> Ellen
>

  Hey, let's separate *biting* from *kissing*. At least for the purposes
of discssion. Else it's up to you :-)
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From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Irish Music

>Re: Irish Music
>
>Enya is DEFINITELY Irish--she sings in both Irish and English, and
>has quite a distinctive vioce.  Lovely music!  I believe that she
>used to sing with Clannad (I may be mixing things up here though).
>
>Susan

 I'm not sure if she ever sang with thegroup, but she is the sister of
 the female vocalist of Clannad.
--Gayle Gleason
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                                        Date:     14-Oct-1992 04:12pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Debate, etal.

Michelle:

Thank you for sending me the copy of the Prez Debate review.  I appreciate it!

Ellen
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From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      re: _Hero_

I saw _Hero_ and really enjoyed it.  I especially liked Andy Garcia's
understated performance.  He's one of those actors who has done some
excellent film work (_Dead Again_, _Internal Affairs_, _Godfather III_)
but not yet garnered his fair share of public appreciation.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:17:04 -0400
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Jaws and Spielberg

> From:         GEORGE RAISER <ST402234@BROWNVM.BITNET>

> I just saw JAWS again the other night.  It seems that the direction of
> this movie couldn't have been better, and the soundtrack was extremely
> effective.  Do people think that S. Speilberg should have won the Academy
> for best director for this work?  If you try to forget all of the
> terrible movies made after it that tried to play on this action/horror
> genre and remember its novelty, you could make a point for this.

Sure, I thought the direction was fine.  I recently saw it again myself
after many years and had much the same reaction as you.   My question
is, whatever happened to the Spielberg who directed JAWS?  In my
humble opinion, Spielberg began a downslide that started with E.T.

Spielberg's CE3K is one of my all-time favorite movies (and I only
have three of 'em), but I haven't been too impressed with much of
his subsequent work.  I know it's "C.C."  (Cinematically Correct) to
rag on Mr. Spielberg, but I really >have< grown disenchanted
with much of his film work.   Could it be that my tastes have
changed as I've "grown up"?
Comments?  I'm sure there will be some...  <g>
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