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From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Costa Rica ???????
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:41:26 GMT

In article <4041@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>In article <1k21jjINNg73@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> davos@engin.umich.edu (Alexander Slingeland) writes:
>>
>>Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) in Costa Rica. I heard from 
>>a non-board head that it didn't look very good, but I am probably going
>
>Well I'm no expert, having never been there. However, the mags talk about
>a big lake in teh middle of Costa Rica which is generally ragerded as 
>excellent sailing.
>

From a travel ad:

Costa Rica, with its warm climate, friendly people and tropical atmosphere
attracts adventurous visitors from all over the world...For the expert
windsurfer it offers yet another rare commodity: consistent high wind
in our winter months!

The Costa Rican summer, December to March, extreme sailing conditions
prevail on Lake Arenal in the Guanacaste region of Costa Rica. The
strong thermal gradient between the Caribbean and Pacific Ocean frequently 
results in GALE force winds at Lake Arenal. Windsurfing in Costa Rica
is for advanced sailors who thrive on sailing in outrageous high wind
conditions. The frequent 40+ knot winds produce huge chop, big jumps,
and unrestrained speeds!

Sounds great eh? I plan to go there next January. There is also a rental
shop that has all the equipment you'll need for the conditions. Other
things to do are rain forest excursions, white water rivers, jaguars,
monkeys, active volcanos and dense jungles to see. The ad goes to say
it costs $499 for 7 nights, double occupancy, breakfast and unlimited use
of the equipment. Non-sailors $249.

All this from Excursions Extraordiaires 1-800-678-2252.


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: somlo@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Peter Somlo)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing around Sydney.
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Applied Physics, Sydney
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:09:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.113917.15412@ecrc.de> jeanmarc@ecrc.de writes:
>This mail is forwarded from
>	Bruce "The Sailboard Kid" Carney
>	email: bcarney@awadi.com.au
>at his request.
>
>>From jeanmarc@ecrc.de (Jean-Marc Andreoli)
>>Subject: Windsurfing around Sidney.
>>Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 10:27:23 GMT
>
>
>ShArKs.  :-)
>
>I have surfed and windsurfed for years and have NEVER seen a shark. City beaches
>are patrolled and they warn you when there are sharks about. This is not to say
>there aren't sharks around, and they do catch some big ones out to sea of the
>coast, but it really is a non-issue. In my living memory there has not been a
>shark attack in this area and when you consider the number of people who
>surf/swim at the beaches you are safer than driving your car. As on magazine put
>it - Sharks don't eat brightly coloured triangular sails.
>
>
>Bruce "The Sailboard Kid" Carney
>email: bcarney@awadi.com.au
>

Two summers ago (i.e. Dec.- Feb. down-under) I saw a shark (fin) (about 15
cm triangular, dark) on Pittwater (a Sydney inlet), slowly cruising in the
opposite direction from me about 50 m away. It was definitely not a
dolphin. I kept my direction and so did the shark, but after some 10 s
after me sighting the fin it slowly descended. 

Two weeks ago, at Longreef (Fisherman's Beach) I saw a `stationary' shark
fin and as I was getting closer I saw a splash and it disappeared. I guess
that fish would have been not longer than about 1 m. There are sharks
about, but they seem to leave windsurfers alone (surf-board riders are a
different story though).

-- 
Dr Peter I. Somlo FIEEE | CSIRO Div. Appl.Phys. | "Every coin has three
Head RF/Microwave Proj. | Natl. Meast. Lab.     |  sides - at least"
FAX: 61-2-413-7383	| POB 218 Lindfield 2070|  (Somlo, cca. 1985)
TEL: 61-2-413-7505      | NSW AUSTRALIA         |
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: shweeja02@cc.curtin.edu.au (James Hwee)
Subject: Re: Rename rec.windsurfing to rec.outdoors.windsurfing
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:04:52 GMT

In article <RIGG.93Jan25114817@valeron.che.wisc.edu>, rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
> Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
> several group suggesting that the groups be moved to the rec.outdoors.
> hierarchy which currently contains just rec.outdoors.fishing.
>
> If you have any comments about renaming this group, please post them
> to news.groups.  Followups to this group and email will not be
> considered.  The guidelines state that the official discussion must
> take place in news.groups.
> 
> tim

Hokay,

I have a comment (not an official one though).

Rec.outdoors.windsurfing? So who's to say that all windsurfing is
done OUTDOORS anyway.  What about the Paris Indoor event?  Hmmmm.


James
From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: convertible sails
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:17:43 GMT
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.
NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz

I've seen a US company advertising convertible sails which allow about
5m to be zipped off the bottom of the sail, allowing you to have
a large quiver with a small number of sails, ie.
sail#1 = 6.5/6.0, sail#2 = 5.5/5.0, sail#3 = 4.5/4.0
The ad I've seen only gives an 800 phone number which I don't think
applies outside US, so any or all of the following info would be 
useful

address, fax number, normal phone number of company.
any experiences (especially first hand or nearly so) with these sails.

Thanks in advance

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera)
Subject: Re: Question: Layline
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:59:14 GMT
Organization: Interface & Control Systems, Inc., Melbourne FL

In article <1jnnc7$3gk@DIALix.oz.au> atr@DIALix.oz.au (Australian Technology Resources) writes:
>Hi there,
>
>can anybody out there in netland explain what a layline is,
>and what they are used for?
>
>I think they have to do with approaching markers but I'd like to know more about them.
>
>Thanks a lot
>Peter

You are right, they have to do with approaching the mark. The best way I
can describe a layline is with a picture:

		                   |
		                   | wind
		                   |
		                   V

				   o  windward mark
				  / \
                                 /   \
	port tack layline ->	/     \   <-starboard tack layline
			       /       \
                              /         \
                             /  <-90->   \    (90 degrees)

When you sail upwind, close hauled (about 45 degrees from the wind),
and you are on a course that will take you to the mark, then you are on the
layline.  Now, there are a whole ton of tactical reasons to get to the
layline (or not get to the layline), but that is another discussion.

Pat
 'P19'
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: rowing attachment
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:34:50 GMT

In article <9301260256.AA13601@bodie.corp.frame.com.frame>
dkl@frame.com (Doug K. Landau) writes:
 
>
>Has anybody heard of a rowing attachment for windsurfers?  I
>saw an ad once but no longer have it.  Any help greatly
>appreciated.   thanks!!!
>
>-dkl@frame.com
>
Martin Marine (Maine) makes the Oarmaster...a sliding seat
unit with normal span (62") to be used with regular (about
9'8") sculls (oars.)  Last I looked, the price was about $500
for the unit, and the oars will run another $300-$400.
Several other manufacturers used to (maybe still) make such
units.
 
I do quite a bit of rowing and have two of Martin Marine's
shells and the Oarmasters to go with them.  I tried an
Oarmaster on a long board (O'Brien Sensation at 11'10" and
about 235 liters) on the small lake behind my house; its
only 1/8 mile long and a rowing shell is a pain to turn around
that often, whereas the board turns quite nicely.)
 
The major problem with sliding seat units on a board is that
as you row, your center of gravity moves about 2 feet front and
back, and the board really pitches.  I opted to make myself a
sliding rigger unit (seat fixed, but the oarlocks move back and
forth with the feet) for my board.  I use it regularly...nothing
like being on the water five minutes after the urge strikes you
to get me to use odd free moments to advantage.  (Someone used
to/maybe still does make a sliding rigger unit commercially.)
 
Also, I find that rowing is a very enjoyable way of retaining
some of that underbody/arm strength that I will need as soon
as the spring winds arrive and I want to windsurf again.
 
..Richard
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: vanity plates
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:17:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

|> > HI WIND
|> > MO WIND
|> > JIBE IT
|> > NUKE IT
|> > 40KNOTS
|> > LOOP IT
|> > BIG AIR
|> > WND SRF
|> > 
|> AIR TYM
|> AIRTIME
|> AIR TIM (You gotta paint an E on the bumper though or everyone keeps
|>          askin' "Who's Tim?".  This is mine in CO and since I was
|>          painting on the bumper anyway, I added the rest "Gotta get some...")
|> LOOPING
|> WYNDSRF

CHOPHOP
HOPCHOP
CARVJIB
DUCKJIB
CATAPLT (nobody use this!  It's mine!)  --Luigi


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gfin@cyber.psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley)
Subject: Belize
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:44:19 GMT

My wife and I are going to Belize in early March for a sea-kayak
trip on Glover's reef, a 20-mile-long coral atol 40 miles offshore.
I'm trying to get the tour operator to find out for me what the
prospects are of renting sailing equipment.  I'd be glad to hear
from anybody who's sailed in Belize and knows about this issue.
It *sounds* like a potentially good location, with protected water
that has a clear sweep of the trade winds, which should still be
going pretty good in early March it think?

---------------------------------------------------
Gary Finley, Univ of Alberta Psychology Dept.
gfin@psych.ualberta.ca    (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Rename rec.windsurfing to rec.outdoors.windsurfing
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:48:17

Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
several group suggesting that the groups be moved to the rec.outdoors.
hierarchy which currently contains just rec.outdoors.fishing.

If you have any comments about renaming this group, please post them
to news.groups.  Followups to this group and email will not be
considered.  The guidelines state that the official discussion must
take place in news.groups.

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
From: dkl@frame.com (Doug K. Landau)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: rowing attachment
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:57:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Has anybody heard of a rowing attachment for windsurfers?  I 
saw an ad once but no longer have it.  Any help greatly
appreciated.   thanks!!!

-dkl@frame.com
From: waltoml@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Eagle Palms: A question for all of us net.experts
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:24:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <C1642K.190@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, miltf@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Milt Forsberg) writes:
> Regarding Merit Badges beyond Eagle for Palms....
> 
> The requirement is to earn 5 more than required for Eagle.  Some troops have
> interpreted this (incorrectly) that the badges must be earned after the Eagle
> Board.  There is nothing in the requirements about when the badges are to be
> earned.  

Yes there is....look on page 28 of the BSA advancement procedures
booklet; page 112 in the Scoutmaster's Handbook; page 7 in the Boy
Scout Requirements booklet; and on page 597 in the current Boy Scout
Handbook. In *all* cases, the statements are EXACTLY the same and is
the same statement that I wrote several postings back. 

> Credit should be given for ANY badges beyond 21.  The other requirement is 
> to serve actively for 3 months beyond the Eagle Board. 
...for the first palm and 3 months each after each sucessive board.  I
thought that my long posting took care of this.... There is also a
leadership requirement and the Scout Spirit and Scoutmaster Conference
requirements as with all BS advancement. 

> Troop 7 in Champaign IL has followed the 21 + 5 for the past 25 years.

I am sure that you meant "except for the five year period between
1973-1978 where it took  _24_ merit badges for Eagle in which case it
was 24 + 5 "  *broad smile* 

Settummanque!

Mike Walton
Greenwood, Kentucky
From: IZARD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Don Izard)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Uniform: NEW BSA socks and JAMBO unifrom????
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:20:46 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo


   The NEW BSA supply catalog NO longer shows the knee-high (almost)
   red-top socks.  Now it shows a boot high style with a very thin
   red band, more like a crew sock..   So when do we at the unit
   get notification?  And what is the official JAMBO uniform?
 
   IZARD at UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener)
Subject: Would you like to maintain a FAQ file?
Keywords: faq scout wosm
Organization: Peppermint Software Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:50:04 GMT

I'm still looking for volunteers who would be willing to maintain
one of the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) files. 
As of today, the following FAQ files are still without a maintainer:

#1: Skits, Yells & Creative Campfires
#5: Silk Screen Techniques (could become scout crafts hints)
#6: Cub Scout Leader Hints
#7: Fund Raising Ideas

As a maintainer, you should keep an eye on what is posted on
rec.scouting for new material that is susceptible to be added
to (or to replace parts of) your FAQ file. You're also very
welcome to add your own contributions. 

New suggestions are always welcome, too!


-- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
   Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Need Scout Grace for Banquet
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:13:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dbsjbm@oompah.Arco.COM (John B. McKeon) says:

>Do you know of a good scout grace or blessing I could use at our upcoming
>Cub Scout Blue and Gold Banquet?
>
>

	The Philmont Grace is ALWAYS appropriate:

		FOR FOOD,
		FOR RAIMENT,
		FOR LIFE,
		FOR OPPORTUNITY,
		FOR FRIENDSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP,
		WE THANK THEE O LORD.


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: brenner@well.sf.ca.us (Anita Susan Brenner)
Subject: Uniforms! (ugh!)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:16:03 GMT


I don't know about you folks, but the uniforms for girl scouts were
better when I was a kid. The fabrics they use now are of such poor
quality and the styles leave a lot to be desired. Some of the leaders
have used their own navy blue suits, with the regulation blouse and scarf.

It would be nice to see green leggings to go with the Juior
uniforms. Why can't GS USA commission Talbots to do the
adult uniforms?

Shades of Troop Beverly Hills perhaps?
                        Anita Brenner
                        Mount Wilson Vista Council
                        Troop 99
                        (Pasadena California)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: chris@scout.demon.co.uk (Christopher T Wilkinson)
Subject: Going to Russia
Distribution: world
Organization: 1st Farnsfield Scouts
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:04:53 +0000

I have very regular contact with Scouts in a town called Dubna near Moscow
and as a matter of urgency I need something taking out there.  Is anyone
going who could take a very small package for me.

I will discuss the Scouting contents if you contact me.

--
This Mail was brought to you by Chris Wilkinson, 15 Woodland Close,
Farnsfield, Newark, Nottinghamshire. UK. NG22 8DN
1st Farnsfield Scout Group
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From: GRS03109@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*GRS9999102)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: INAUGURAL (?) POEM?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:56:38 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: conrad.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Does anyone have a copy of the poem that Maya Angalou wrote for the
Presidential Inauguration?  Please post it.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: meyerc2@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Chris_Meyers)
Subject: Pinewood Derby Software
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:31:23 GMT

        Has anyone heard of a PC-based package for managing a pinewod
derby?  Someone mentioned to me a program called Racing Managment Program.
Does anyone know where I could get this program and how much it costs or
is there shareware available on the internet?  A BBS?  Where?

        Thanks for your help.
From: dsnoek@terapin.com (Daniel Snoek)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Pres. Clinton a scout?
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:13:17 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1993Jan22.170819.9754@wam.umd.edu>, kckbxr@next09wor.wam.umd.edu
(Robin of Locksley) writes:
>Was President Clinton ever a scout?  If so, does anybody know what  
>achievements he may've earned (i.e. Eagle rank?)?
>
>bill
I seriously doubt it, If he was one we would have heard about it thus far.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: johnm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.s.maddaus)
Subject: Re: CUB Scout Camping
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:45:23 GMT

In article <1jlophINNdr6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae110@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank Bates) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, johnm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.s.maddaus) says:
TEXT DELETED
> 
> Congratulations on your success with Cubbibg and camping.  But you only told
> part of the story.  What percentage of the boys go on to Boy Scouting, how
> long do they stay in (and why do they drop if they drop within a year) and
> how does the troop keep them interested?
> 
And now for the "rest of the story"..
Actually, last year a new troop was formed in our town.  To seed this troop,
11 of our 13 4th grade Webelo's that were 10 and a half years of age (all had
earned Arrow of Light) were graduated to the new troop.  We had already lost
all 6 of our 5th grade webelos for the same reason.  (I'm not commenting on
whether or not I agree with this, but we had no choice).  Given that the
majority of the new troop never went through the formal Webelo's program and
were immediately put into a high impact camping environment (designed for
all to reach the level required to attend A.P.Hill), I'm surprised that they
had as much retention as we did.  

To my knowledge, 100% of the 5th graders are still in the Troop and 8 of the 
11 4th graders remain.  Of the three that dropped, two were discipline problems
throughout Cubs and couldn't accept the more rigorous discipline from their 
patrol leaders (actually, I thought they would drop earlier from Cubs).  The 
other was bent on self destruction.  He had more scars on his legs from Cub 
activities that when the rangers finally carried him out of a National Park in 
Maine on a stretcher with another large gash in his leg, his parents pulled 
him out of the program in the interest of saving his life.  So our retention
rate is approximately 82%.  The scoutmaster is very talented and makes
scouting his "profession" and building houses his occupation.  He has
even pulled kids back that previously have dropped from Cubs and he has pulled
kids in with no prior scouting experience.  They keep them interested with
at least one weekend program per month, 12 months a year.  Remains to be seen
how many will make Eagle.

__

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener)
Subject: Swiss Scout Uniform (and how does YOURS look?) REPOST
Keywords: switzerland scout uniform
Organization: Peppermint Software Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:48:05 GMT

Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:

> (We'd also love to hear about your uniforms!)

I'd be interested too in how the uniform looks like in other countries.

(hello rec.scouting readers from Spain, France, Germany, UK, Canada,
USA, Vietnam, Taiwan, Russia, Argentina, Chile, USA, Belgium, Norway,
Finland, Holland, South Africa, Australia, Danemark and elsewhere. Speak up!)


The current swiss scout uniform is limited to a heavy-duty cotton shirt
(extremely comfortable, keeps cool in the summer, warm in the winter),
a scout neckerchief, appropriate pants (blue jeans or bermudas)
and hiking boots. 

The shirt colors are: light blue for wolves (cubs), khaki beige
for scouts, red for rangers and rovers and forest green for leaders.
Den and patrol leaders wear the beige shirt and a grey shoulder cord.
Other leaders have a yellow, orange, red, purple or blue cord, 
depending on their assignments. The unit's and the council's
arms are worn on or above the shirt pockets.

Each unit has its own neckerchief, single-colored or split in 2 colors,
with or without a border. As an example, my wolf pack's neckerchief is 
purple on the left, green on the right and has a black border. 
My troop's neckerchief is deep blue with a red border. Neckerchief 
colors are unique within the same council.

Optional items are: brown BP hat or blue girl scout hat, scout belt,
satchel (wolves), pocket knife or hunting knife and Recta compass.


-- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
   Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland