HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Su)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs
Subject: External Z-Modem protocol...
Date: 14 Dec 1992 05:32:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu


I'm looking for sources for an external Z-Modem module for a DOS-based BBS.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
-- 
-alan su
-alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: Mike Pearl <mpearl@pes.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Hot file locations for InterNet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:15:44 EST
Organization: Professional Exchanges Services, Inc.

jensenm@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:

> Does anyone know of any MS-DOS file location on InterNet?  (good ones)

Mike,

Good question... let me know what you come up with <G>...

Michael
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.misc:1529 alt.config:7887
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.config
Subject: Re: j: WWIV newsgroup
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:24:53 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

shaun@octel.com (Attack of the Dayglo Howler Monkeys) writes:

> In article <Bz0rsG.226@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) 
> >
> >hacks like Telegard, but never WWIV (I've placed it in several incoming
> >directories, but it disappears...).  A WWIV newsgroup will generate interest
> 
> Since Wayne is now demanding registration before one can join WWIVnet (even
> if one doesn't use WWIV -- vbbs for example), biz.* would be the appropriate
> place for a WWIV newsgroup, if anywhere is.  

nope -- only on those things which use Wayne's net software. I am on WWIVnet
(thankfully -- I am not subscribed to any subs this Walker character seems to
use) (no, Walker, I'm *not* telling you which ones I am on) via Tony Hursh's
WWCP, which is totally original code. I don't have to send anything to Wayne
to be on WWIVnet. Just have to register with Tony (and, since I'm one of his
main beta-testers, that's fairly easy to deal with....)



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: tim@shovel.Prime.COM (Tim Cantin)
Subject: Re: 'best' BBS
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:46:53 GMT

I'd go for Maximus-CBCS v2.00 ... it takes a little while to setup, but has
VERY complete documentation. It's worth checking out... and it is FREE for
personal use. See ~msdos/bbs on wuarchive.wustl.edu, or <MSDOS.BBS> on 
wsmr-simtel20.army.mil, the files max200-[1234].zip ...

-- 
#include "stddisclaimer.h"
/* Tim Cantin      {uunet, csnet-relay}!primerd!tim || tim@primerd.prime.com
 * Computervision Corp., Computervision Services Department, 10-21
 * 500 Old Connecticut Path, Framingham, Massachusetts 01701  (U.S.A.)
 */
flames > /dev/null 2>&1
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: j: Re: Popular BBS system
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:04:07 GMT

In article <ZHgoVB15w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
)jules@kbsw1 (Jules Dubois) writes:
)
)Mucho garbago re WWIV and kiddie-net.
)    ... and your replies were certainly in order.

No, the replies were stereotypes, generalizations, and half-truths displaying
the same intellectual level as the "mucho garbago" that was being replied to.
Putting "wwiv sucks" in the header and redirecting followups to alt.flame 
don't exactly show a whole lot of maturity...
-- 
"What? Over? Did you say it's over? Nothing's over, till we decide it is! 
 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" --John Belushi
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: FAQ request, plus two question. 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:05:19 GMT

  Hi, I was wondering if this newsgroup has a FAQ, and if so, where can
I get one?

  Questions: I'm currently a sysop of a Remote Access bbs system, and
             have a couple of feeds from different local Networks,
             as well as a national one(InterSports).  I'm planning to
             switch to Linux operating system, which means that I will
             no longer be able to utilize Remote Access; however, the
             question is: Is there a Unix-based(or linux-based) bbs 
             system which has the capability to toss normal (fidonet-style)
             message packets?  If so, would I also require a front End
             mailer system, like I am using right now for Remote Access- 
             that is, FrontDoor?  .

  Any help would be appreciated; flames aren't.

Thanks.

-- 
InterNet: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca  |  "Fail not; Learn Not.
                               |  It is with failing, that one learns,
                               |  So by Learning, one must fail." - Edmund Wong
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jensenm@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Hot file locations for InterNet
Date: 16 DEC 92 00:17:57 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada


Does anyone know of any MS-DOS file location on InterNet?  (good ones)

-Mike-
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: dp35@mc1adm.UWaterloo.ca ()
Subject: Re: BBS wars - a plea
Organization: University of Waterloo 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.023518.24465@sol.UVic.CA> ndenux@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>  -  PCboard, this is boring, no configurability, no colors or shity colors,
> too long of menus fucken hostile environment.  Burn it down if it were a
> building type of software, it costs too much and should suffer a slow
> painfull death... It'll run multi line but not the greatest even then.. Not
> recommended if you want to have a "fun BBS where every one can relax and
> use pseudos"  Most systems running this that I've encountered are pay
> systems which sort of sucks... ah well.. enuf said on aboring soft

I think your blaming PCBoard for problems caused by the Sysops.  I don't get
the "no configurability".  You can design every screen that you want your 
user to see.  While I agree that it's not very user friendly, I like it 
because it doesn't encourage stupid people to post messages like 

  TIM'S A FAG.  HE WANTS TO BLOW THE GYM TEACHER!

I've seen a lot of those on Telegard and Remote Access.  I like some of the
features of those boards, but I wouldn't set one up because they have the
tendency to draw that crowd. (ie.  Hey man, you got any Warez?  K00L!  I'm
on all the pirate boards!)

As far as colors go, what more do you want than the standard color ANSI.  
What is even better is that you don't even have to make seperate screen for
color or b&w.  I guess you want a XGA or 8514 BBS.

The menu is a bit of a drag, but by putting your files in one area, you can
get rid of the file part of the menu, and clearing those options.  Makes it
much more readable and friendly.

You can use "psuedos" easily too.

It's definately not an easy, fun BB, but it's nice from both sides once your
used to the interface.

The biggest drawback is price.  I kind of like it anyway though because it
means the board will be run by someone mature enough to have the money to
buy it, meaning, hopefully no 13 pirate will set one up, get what he wants
from it then shut it down.  Telegard BBS's go up and down like yo-yo's around
here.

I am not a PCBoard Sysop, but you shouldn't cut it up for things like color
and configurability if you havn't given it a fair chance.  Obviously you
haven't.

PS.  I have set up & run Remote Access, Telegard and WWIV.  I am in the
     process of seting up PCBoard and find it rather easy.  I don't hold
     any grudges against any other BBS software.  What fun would it be
     if everybody ran OraComm?  ;-)

Greg Moore
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: j: Re: Popular BBS system
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:58:48 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:
> 
> > And then, of course, Waffle doesn't require source to be configurable.. Don
> > like the files section? "disable : files" and throw in an external file
> > section, or write one yourself, or whatever.
> > 
> > My main reason to emit Glee with Waffle is that it has a built in idiot
> > filter. People who are clueless seem to not call back.
> 
> Has the same effect on clueless would-be sysadmins.  Good news!

Not so much, tho. I managed a connect.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.
From: maven@mavenry.UUCP (Norman Hamer)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Popular BBS Software
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:16:32 GMT
X-CitNet-ID: 64938


 Breakdown for MavenCit 
 (Bored programmer at work) 
  
 PRICE: 
 Freeware.  
   
 SETUP:  
  
 OS compatibility.  
  
    Requires MS/DOS or a reasonable facsimile thereof (works under windows,  
    OS/2, can be forced to run on a DEC Rainbow) 
     
 External requirements:   
  
 Fossil  
    Supports but does not require a fossil unless used on wierd architecture 
     
 Protocols  
    Has Xmodem (3 flavors) internally, other protocols are external 
     
 Netmailer  
    Supports CitNet networking internally, plus an external networking 
    interface which allows hooking up to virtually any other network. 
     
 Installation procedure:  
  
 Modem configuration  
    Gotta look in your manual for the codes, but aside from that supports  
    any modem which raises CD during connection and drops it when DTR goes 
    down. 
     
 Message base configuration  
    Single circular file, usually 2-5mb 
     
 File base configuration  
    Internal quirky file system, plus a full-featured external FS vaguely 
    reminiscent of WWIV/QBBS/RBBS 
     
 Door installation and support  
    Whenever, whatever, wherever. Most MavenCit doors are written by yours 
    truly, so they're usually pretty similar in setup... A util is available 
    to convert to RBBS/QBBS and WWIV door file formats... 
  
 FEATURES:  
 
 Single or multi-line  
    Single line at present, looking at multi-line by mid next year 
  
 Sysop management utilities  
    Rarely needed, and rarely written. 
   
 HARDWARE REQUIREMENT:  
 Processor Minimum  
    8088, but takes advantage of XMS/EMS memory if available 
    386 instruction set version available 
     
 Harddrive Minimum  
    About 5mb, but it's possible to set up on 1.2mb floppies 
     
 Ram Minimum  
    400-600k conventional, swaps to disk during applications 
     
 Networking System (Ethernet, etc.)  
    Not Really Applicable 
     
 Highest Baudrate  
    19.2k w/ internal comm drivers, whatever with a fossil 
   
 SOFTWARE REQUIREMENT:  
 Multitaskers  
    N/A 
   
 SYSOP MAIN BRAGGING POINT:  
  
    I network with USENET like a uucp node, FidoNet like a FidoNet node, 
    C86Net like a C86Net Node, etc, etc.  
      
    Plus, the room-based interface common to Citadels makes for a much 
better 
    message posting atmosphere than most linears. And the External File 
System 
    is the equal of most linears.
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: j: Re: Popular BBS system
Keywords: WWIV, sucks, kiddies
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:18:46 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

jules@kbsw1 (Jules Dubois) writes:

> In article <ByyAD0.FtH@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
> >(JAY WALKER) writes:

Mucho garbago re WWIV and kiddie-net.
    ... and your replies were certainly in order.

However, it is a violation of good common courtesy to set "follow-ups" to
alt.flame without notifying readers!  Also, "jules@kbsw1" is quite bogus.
So, mail replies aren't possible either.

However, it's still possible to follow-up to your post, and to do it so
that it appears only in comp.bbs.misc; witness this post!

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!uumind!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.config
From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
Subject: Re: j: WWIV newsgroup
Organization: The Durex Blender Corporation
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:05:57 GMT

In article <Bz46A9.3oM@cs.psu.edu> fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>In article <Bz3JqC.Ex9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:
>|I don't fucking care any more about the newsgroup.  Shove it up your ass.
>
>My, what a mature response.  I'll be sure to try out WWIVNet now, if this is
>a typical WWIVNet sysop.
>
>Lemme guess, that class that it was so important to go to last time was 7th
>grade Social Studies?...

	Don't aim so high. From reading Jay Walker's past posts, he is an
asshole, and can be ignored. Just another 13 year old WWIV d00Dd1!!1

	FOo.


-- 
(C) 1992 by Random Tox and The Durex Blender Corporation
All Rights Available at the Door, No Reservations.

	"If this is the place for you, then herd."
From: 1-9702@wwiv.cojones.com (The Diseased Mind #1 @9702)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: I really don't see a need for a WWIV newsgroup
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:16:32 GMT

<Reply To:--> Re: j: WWIV newsgroup
<Written By:> dogbowl#dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) #181 @500

I don't think we need comp.bbs.wwiv nor even alt.bbs.wwiv

Since WWIV already has it's own established network, purely WWIV-related
discussions would best be had ON the WWIV-Based network(s)...

                                                       TDM
9-----
9Stupid people should NOT Breed!
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: BBS wars - a plea
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:41:34 GMT

thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:

>After reading the latest spate of "my bbs is better, nyaah" and "yo mama"
>posts, I'd like to ask a serious question:

>	Has anyone with brain cells actually worked with enough of
>	these packages to provide informed commentary about the
>	strengths and weaknesses of a half-dozen or more of them?

>It sure looks like nobody has admitted to having done so thus far.
>(On the other hand, given the nasty arguments they'd likely get, I
>can see why that wouldn't be something people would leap to admit.)

I think that one of the real problems with running a BBS is that a sysop
gets past most of his users pretty quickly --- it's easy for the sysop
to refer to the documentation, since it's right there on the disk ---
and they don't really know anymore what it's like to call and not know
so much about the system.

The problem is that people don't want to stop, download the
documentation, and then read it.  One of the virtues of most local
boards is that it doesn't cost anything (except time) to stumble around
instead of reading the help material.  Every system that I've ever
called has some sort of online help and usually a user's manual
available for download.  The problem with the manuals is that they tend
to be very generic and a version or two behind, but it's a lot better 
than nothing.

One sysop many years ago required you to read the rules of his system
and answer a questionnaire.  If you didn't get a passing score, you
couldn't login.  That's a little hardcore for me, but I can empathize.
I'm tending more and more to answer questions with "look at help file
such and such" rather than give a specific answer.  "Give a man a fish
and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish and he can feed himself."

Some complaints about documentation are valid, and I probably wouldn't
arrange things the same way you would.  But way too many complaints come
from people who never looked at the documentation.

In answer to your question, I'd be surprised if there were very many
people who had the time to both run and use more than one or two
packages.  The diversity of software shows to me that users aren't as
concerned with what BBS software the sysop uses, they're more concerned
with what the system does with it.  Doors and other external programs
let you add functionality to your system so that it can do most
anything, even things that the BBS programmer never intended.  

"What software is best" doesn't have an answer.  What software is the
most open-ended?  What software is best for graphics?  What software is
best for leaving unattended for days on end?  These questions do have
answers, but I think you'll find that most software can do a competent
job at most things.
From: iracle@lcs.mit.edu (Ira Hochman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Suggestions for BBS on 80286 PC requested
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:53:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /u/iracle/.organization


I was recently able to allocate a spare 286 PC to setup as a dedicated
BBS here in Boston.  Before I get in over my head, I thought I would
ask for opinions (facts welcome also) and experiences on possible OS &
BBS combinations for this sort of hardware.

I plan to stuff some hard disk storage on thing (100M - 500M) and
attempt to run 1-3 serial lines (intellegent serial card, perhaps?)
into it.  I'd like a reasonable upgrade path to some combination of
better hardware, a "doors" facility (Jim Morrison optional), and a
_secure_ capability to utilize and share network resources.

Usenet is a distant maybe and Internet mail capability is intriguing,
but certainly not required.

All things possible... Please send email directly & I will post a
summary of replies, if I get some.

Reply-To: iracle@joplin.lcs.mit.edu

Multiplexed thanks to all,
Ira
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: ttocek@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Tomas Tocek)
Subject: 'best' BBS?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:46:49 GMT

OK, I think I asked about the 'best' BBS already...so let me
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: j: Re: Popular BBS system
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:44:04 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) writes:

> Bullshit. Perhaps you would like me to create alt.flame.jay.walker as an
> example of how easy it is to do?.....

Shouldn't that be alt.flame.jay-walker (kind of like alt.flame.sean-ryan,
which does exist, last I checked.. I really need to have that fed. It would
be the first time Sean would actually be able to see it.)



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.
From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS wars - a plea
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:17:30 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

In article <Bz3qKF.EH7@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.023518.24465@sol.UVic.CA> ndenux@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>

> Telegard's a hack of WWIV.  Anyone who uses it is indirectly supporting theft
> of code.  Even if Telegard is a good program, it should be avoided for 
> ethical reasons.
> 

I even understand that there will be no future releases of Telegard from
Martin Pollard?  Also, there are several sources you can obtain the source code
for Telegard 2.5 and greater.  There is reportedly (hearsay cause I haven't
actually saw it) that a later version contains a trojan and some local sysop
who got greedy to get ahead of the other Telegard Sysops went and downloaded it
from Rust and Eddies BBS (somewhere in Florida) and it did the wild thing.. on
his drive.

For a long time Telegard and TAGBBS ( a ligit - produced code and also a later
re-write of WWIV) went at it head and toes.  Seemed that most the kiddies in
town ran Telegard as opposed to TAG or commercial software for some reason.
I guess that might relate to "Hacker Wars".  Ask Marty Pollard about the user
who uploaded a "Logoff.Bat" file with a little documented feature of DSZ to
his BBS directory and nearly did the wild thing on him!  Since... That feature
was fixed by using the DSZ 'Restrict' command, restricting uploaded files to
the upload directory and not the path sent by the remote hook-up.

When security counts, Telegard doesn't!  Telegard anyone?  His next software,
which is scheduled to be Marty-Gard, well I never saw it.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions only!          lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.misc:1516 alt.config:7843
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.config
Subject: Re: j: WWIV newsgroup
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:36:01 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

> ) biz.* would be the appropriate
> )place for a WWIV newsgroup, if anywhere is.  
> 
> If that was true, we'd have to move all the bbs newsgroups to biz.*, since
> all software authors that I know of expect to be paid for their work.  We'd
> have to move comp.os.* groups to biz also, you have to pay for an OS before
> you use it.  Compilers aren't free either, move comp.lang.* to biz...       

Gee, I could point you to dozens of free compilers, and a few free bbs
packages.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!uumind!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (idbremne)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: BBS software, THE POSITIVES
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:34:44 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada

v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:
>No thanks.  Waffle sucks and no amount of modding is going to change that.
>A few reasons why I hate Waffle:

To put an end to all this petty bickering.
(Guys, my Dad one told me, "Ian, you're as subtle as a shotgun.")

Face it.  There has been little discussion and a lot of whining about
BBS software.  If you have a piece of software that YOU use and ENJOY,
this is an excellent opprtunity to get other people interested in the
software YOU enjoy.  

I personally would like to thank all the people who were trying to
put an end to the WAR I started.

To tell the truth, I was hoping that I could use the information gathered
from a DISCUSSION in the design of a Bulletin Board System that would
address almost everyone's needs.

I and others don't want to hear what is wrong with other software but
what is right about yours.

Please use the following catagories to discuss the positive things about
a piece of software.

SOFTWARE TITLE:

PRICE:
	Freeware.
	Shareware.
	BigBuckWare.

SETUP:
	OS compatibility.
	External requirements: 
		Fossil
		Protocols
		Netmailer
		etc.
	Installation procedure:
                Modem configuration
		Message base configuration
		File base configuration
		Door installation and support

FEATURES:
	Single or multi-line
	Sysop management utilities
	
HARDWARE REQUIREMENT:
	Processor Minimum
	Harddrive Minimum
	Ram Minimum
	Networking System (Ethernet, etc.)
	Highest Baudrate
	
SOFTWARE REQUIREMENT:
	Multitaskers

SYSOP MAIN BRAGGING POINT:

PLEASE Add to this basic breakdown, I know I have forgotten things.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc