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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:24:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Addison de Witt

I admit my literary deficiencies.  Who is Addison de Witt and what is his
relevance to cultural (il)literacy?  (If Addison de Witt is/was a female
I apologize, but point out again, that my mistake is due to ignorance.)

David  accdak@vaxc.hofstra.edu  //  accdak@hofstra
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:08:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Serious discussion of cinema

There is a list which tends to be a bit more focused in its discussion
of cinema (not that what we don't talk about isn't focused)
SCREEN-L subscription address is LISTSERV@UA1VM.bitnet or
LISTSERV@UA1VM.UA.EDU.  Hope this helps.
Becky Albitz
University of Iowa Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:18:25 CDT
From:         Jane Carver <CARVER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Shining Through

Joe,
I rented _Shining Through_ this past week end.  It was a bit schmaltzy,
required some willing suspension of disbelief, but I enjoyed it.  You
may need to be forewarned, however, that my family likes to state that
I've never seen a movie I didn't like.  They're wrong, of course.  If
you enjoy Melanie Griffith or Michael Douglas, you will probably not
regret renting it.
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: a probably false rumor
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>...Any news of Bob Dylan appearing in a soon-to-be released film?
>Has he been in anything recently in a cameo-type role ...

	Could this be _Rush_ with Jason Patric and Jennifer Jason Leigh?

Review follows:
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:42:00 -0700
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Subject:      a probably false rumor
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Jackhammer.

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Dylan was in the Dennis Hopper film titled -BACKTRACK- if I'm not mistaken.
It was a bit part.  If I remember correctly he was an artist working with a
welding torch.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:35:45 BST
From:         Rob Simpson <robs@CHARLES-CROSS.POLY-SOUTH-WEST.AC.UK>
Subject:      Oh! What a lovely war!
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Re: Oh! What a lovely war!

I have been trying to get hold of a video of this film for quite a while.
 Enquires to video stores and art cinemas have led no-where. Does anyone have
 any useful info about this film, eg;

Director?
Label?
Distributor?

Cheers, Rob Simpson  robs@uk.ac.psw.cx
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:26:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Multiple Laserdisc endings

Knowles put two endings in the novel "The French Leutenant's Woman", then
the screen play managed much the same thing by making the film about two
stories, the story and the players making the film.

Hey why not in film.  In the Mystery of Edward Drood the B'way audience got
to vote on how they wanted the play to end.

David    accdak@vaxc.hofstra.edu  //  accdak@hofstra
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From:         Colleen Hailey <CHALEY@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Addressing the camera

And let's not forget Groucho Marx in the Marx Brothers films.  I missed
the early part of this discussion, so maybe someone has mentioned him
already.

C. Hailey
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Date:         Fri, 17 Jul 1992 19:45:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Labels=censorship?

Most of us know people who get the lyrics wrong.  My favorite howler comes
from Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds:
     "A girl with colitis goes bye" ("A girl with kaleidoscope eyes")
What is the beef against putting the lyrics on the cover?  Are the
performers ashamed of the lyrics?  (Much of
 of what we might say in passion,
the ooohs, aaaaahs, and uh-huhs work much better when sung or spoken than
it does in print, but hey wouldn't you like to know what the performer was
saying?  Some enquiring minds want to know.)

Who is being censored by publishing the lyrics?  Is the argument against
publishing the lyrics grounded in the idea that the necessity of publishing
the lyrics WITH the music is intimidating?

My 3 cents.

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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:52:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Labeling Mike Hurt the Mad Anarchist

I would appreciate it if Mike Hurt would label is messages to indicate
crude and offensive language so that I can avoid them.  His points can be
more succinctly stated without obscenities.  (Of course I might be denying
myself the pleasure of being annonymously insulted,
 but I'll take my
chances.

David   accdak@vaxc.hofstra.edu  // accdak@hofstra
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:58:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      TNT
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I thought that the movies on TNT were supposes to be "uncut" -
One of my favorite movies (CITY OF CONQUEST, which I mentioned last
week) had the opening segment cut off, turning a great movie into
a pretty good movie - sigh
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:06:50 EDT
From:         Maureen Shuh <ST402896@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Previews....

Bill:

   Got the previews; thanks!  Wow--THE REMAINS OF THE DAY with Anthony Hopkins.
  Just read the book last month--I highly recommend it for those who don't mind
 reading the book before seeing the movie.

   P.S. to the persons talking about Hillary Clinton's potential resemblance to
 Rebecca DeMornay:   Gee, maybe if Hillary took off her clothes, it'll be easie
r to see some resemblance.  Just kidding--not meant to offend DeMornay fans!

                                        Maureen Shuh.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:37:00 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Film, PoMo, sophistication

I was wondering the same thing as Michael:  is there someplace where
a word like "montage" or "jumpcut" wouldn't look so out of place?  I
don't consider myself knowledgeable about film theory, but I seem to be
able to follow it.

What I CAN do is offer some bridges with literary theory, though I suspect
it would be out of place here.  For example, I can't help but be struck by he
the 19th century attitude about authorial/directorial control.  No need to
flame me, but consider how postmodern architects re-use/quote/rebuild
classics in a new context; how some musicians patch in samples from completed
works by OTHERS; how post-punk writers like Kathy Acker incorporate/steal
titles, plots, characters, etc.  Seems a bit reactionary to say, as 2-3
folks have here, that only directors can/should/may alter existing movies.

In fact, there is an existing example on (I think) Fox network.  I haven't
seen it, but I understand that some sitcom uses 1950's TV footage within
the show.  Okay, that isn't the same as taking a single movie/show and
redoing it, but the lines could get blurry.  Doesn't the uneasiness
expressed on this list merely demonstrate what Marvin Carlson called
"the widely-held assumption of originary textual plenitude"?

oops, gotta go.  Hope others feel like participating in this topic.

Rick Francis   <C47805NF@WUVMD>
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:36:00 +1700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Re: Labels and censorship
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Sue, my comments about hair, food and smokes were to kjf.  I believe the
first part of my post responded to something you said and then I added to
that by mentioning an earlier post, yes, not yours.

It was the grander "you" than just you, Sue.

sorry, folks. My mailer really really sucks.

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Steve:

        Your reply included this paragraph and a copy of my post...

>And yes, food can be art and art can be consumable.  but YOUR point was about
>cigarrette warnings, which I do not count as art. There is no artistic
>expression there. And if you're going to judge artists because of their
>hair ("hairy louts with guitars..") well....

        I believe you have me confused with someone else; food, cigarettes
and hirsute musicians weren't part of my post.


                                                        Sue
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:25:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Fame, though not Fortune, for CINEMA-L

I bring exciting news. CINEMA-L is about to become respectable.

This is a small town, hungry for novelty. It occurred to
me that some of my colleagues might welcome the chance to
chortle ironically over our recent shenanigans. So I
printed up the whole shebang for the past week or so --
35 pages of 9-point Courier -- and hauled it down to a
local faculty watering-hole.

It brought down the house.

One fellow in particular, a venerable full prof from the
Psychology Department, howled so ferociously that I feared
for his health. He's working on a book tentatively entitled
"The Media-Watcher's Book of Bullshit" (I'm not making this up.)
He's convinced that the various pathologies exhibited here
might be useful to posterity, and he wants to include some
of our proceedings in his learned tome.

Depending on what the University shysters decide, he may
be contacting some of us for permission and clearance, etc.

Be nice to him. He's old. And he's not pompous, not a
character assassin, doesn't live under a rock, and doesn't
use a thesaurus. Unlike Dick Cavett and certain others,
he's not an asshole. He is, however, a Republican.

He'd like to hear any responses we choose to share:

          Dr. Foster L. Brown
          brownfl@snyoneva

kjf-
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:30:00 EST
From:         ASTMSIRI@STETSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Good, The Bad, and The Pompous

nothing personal, but can you all take your flame war to the privacy of
your own accounts. i don't think your subjects really have anything
remotely to do with the lists, that would be helpful to the rest of us.
again, nothing personal. :)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:24:53 -0500
From:         ed.j.hahr@UWRF.EDU
Subject:      Re: Anne Rice flick
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I have pretty good references from another list that say that
Interview With A Vampire has gone into production with Anne Rice doing
the screenplay, but I wouldn't expect to see it for a few years.

ed.j.hahr@uwrf.edu
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:31:50 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Unforgiven

Joe--I also saw the making of Unforgiven last night on ABC.  Could be
entertaining what with Gene Hackman as a mean sheriff.

I don't think that the TV promo has to be tied to an expectation that
Eastwood or other powers that be know already that the film is bad
and therefore needs all the help it can get.  For the last couple of
summers there have been several "making of" type TV programs usually
tied with big summer films.  Batman, Terminator 2, and Robin Hood all
come to mind though they used much more hype what with having various
special effects.  Granted Eastwood's picture doesn't follow into that
category and the TV program was only 30 min. but someone out there just
figured (IMHO) that it's different programming among the summer reruns.

Don't forget that Richard Harris will be in this one too.  That's reason
enough for me to go!
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:03:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      hand that rocks da cradle

Steve...
I enjoyed the -HTRC- quite a bit.  You are right though everyone was very
wimpy. My wife and I found ourselves on the edge of our seats by the end of
the movie.  All in all very entertaining.
Short on time......
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:58:46 CST
From:         LLFW%UTXDP.BITNET@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:      RE: SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF CINEMA
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KJF,
Rick was suggesesting something a little more contemporary than you are!!!
What makes film theory so interesting is that it is so near or at the edge
of theory. I recommend as an example any recent issue of Spectator, a
journal put out by grad students at USC. One journal (Screen or Wide Angle)
is devoted to feminism and film theory.  Now there is a possibility that
needs to be looked further into!

The "problem" here is that the Cinema-L list is informative rather than
theoretical.  Its strength is providing film facts and trivia (Didn't we
just suffer a huge discussion on critics on the list and Siskel and Ebert?)


Perhaps it is time to look at the earliest logs and determine what was the
original focus for this list.

	Tanya in Atlanta

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Well, I don't know what the original focus for this list was, but I, for
one, have really enjoyed the wide range of discussions this list has
engendered.  It's really nice to have a mixture of theory and gossip,
info on actors, previews of yet-to-be released movies, etc.  It's nice
to read people's opinions about movies I have seen as well as movies I
have never seen.  Obviously different people have different expectations
for this list, but I think it's nice to have the list as diverse as


possible.  The people who have been responding have kept me very amused
(the PABLM idea was hilarious) and very informed for the past few weeks,
and I would be disappointed if the list became too severely restrictive
in the kinds of responses it has been receiving.

This is just my 2, of course.  And I'm sure many of you will disagree
with me.  But that's okay -- isn't that what discussions are all about?
If everyone always agreed, why would we need to talk in the first place?

sincerely,
felicia weiner
Austin, Texas
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Subject:      RE; Remakes, etc.

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     24-Jul-1992 01:26pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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TO:  Remote Network Mail User             ( _IN%CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET )


Subject: RE; Remakes, etc.

It seems like the "redoing" of films is a response to a market for screen saps
:) like us who can't wait to know all the nuances of a plot, the making of a
film, etc., etc. and who would be willing to watch, not to mention own,
multiple versions of the same movie.  Maybe it would be better if the directors
would use their energies to create new films with  new plots instead of
remaking old ones.
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Comments:     Originally-From: Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Multi-Spoiler

Liam,
   (With apologies to all the rest of you for this unrelated post!)
   Did the post make it through?
                                Joan
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From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      The Good, The Bad, and The Pompous
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You're right.  I'm completely wrong.  Everything you said was completely
correct, and not only am I wrong, but I'm sure that I'm a lout (and in
fact a long-haired one) for mistakenly thinking (in what passes for a
brain in my dim skull) that you could have been wrong at all.

Steve

No thesaurus?  What, then? "It Pays to Enrich Your Word Power?"

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>Well, if pomposity and a good online thesaurus make you right,
>then Professor, you are very right.


More the one than the other, I'd say (I don't use a thesaurus).

>I'm not interested in a discussion that devolves
>(hey I didn't look that one up!) into character assasination.


...And I'm happy to hear *you* don't use one either. Damned
useless things.

Now, as for character assassination -- help me understand this:

     1) You misquote me, then read me the riot act
        for using a word (hairy) which I did not use,

     2) I complain bitterly about the unfairness of it all,

     3) therefore, *I* am a character assassin.

Welcome to Wonderland! We should charge admission.

kjf-
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Subject:      CREN NET_USE

> From:         Roger Fajman <RAF@NIHCU.BITNET>
> Subject:      Re:  ptfs and such via ftp
> To:           George Haddad <GEORGEH@MSU.BITNET>,
>               "richard r. moore" <21495TCP@MSU.BITNET>
>
> From CREN NET_USE on LISTSERV@BITNIC:
>
>          * CREN networks may be used for the provision of services which
>            support the needs and purposes of the CREN networks, and for
>            which a charge is made, if the network is an optional mechanism
>            for provision of this service for which no additional charge is
>            made, and as long as the use of the service is consistent with
>            the bandwidth of the network and the forwarding hosts.
>            Providers of such information may be non-profit or for-profit
>            organizations.

OK.  Now, how does that paragraph parse in english???  ;-)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:17:19 -0400
From:         Peter Coleman <pcoleman@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: TCP/IP v1.02 pauses on long FTP

In my case when I said that I had a similar problem, I gave the wrong
version of TCP/IP - we use version 2 but have not yet received the latest
update.  Our cpu is a 4381-T90, I consider the traffic light, about 25
terminal sessions but at the same time we have 7 7171's in use as well as
4 3274's.  I wondered if our version of the problem was due to host work load.

Peter

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992, Leonard D Woren wrote:

> Is your tcp/ip traffic through the box light?  Are you running on an
> older Amdahl CPU?  If so, search the archives for this list (or was it
> FALBTI-L?) for "Amdahl" and "interrupt".  That could be the problem.
>
> /Leonard
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