HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Originator: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:08:16 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
|> You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
|> gas-guzzling automobiles, polluting the air with the nauseating stench of ex
|> haust, creating acid rain, and melting a gaping hole in the ever-diminishing
|> ozone layer...it's all your fault this world is so f--ked up!!! If everybody
|> got rid of their automobiles, we'd have a much nicer environment to leave to 
|> our children!!!! 

Summer school, right?

- Greg
-- 
Greg Cagle               "It was a rit of fealous jaje!"
Mentor Graphics          
greg_cagle@mentorg.com
From: shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: minivan
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:48:51 GMT
Reply-To: shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo

Thank you all who sent me valuable information. 

Here I got some more questions.

1. I would like to know the price of minivans. so if you bought one of
  Previa, MPV, Dodge Caravan, and live in Southern California (I am live in
  San Diego and I don't mind driving up LA or Riverside) within 6 months,
 would you tell me the model you bought with options, date, location and price.

2. Does Nissan make vans? I saw one recently. It may not be classified as
   minivan. It is larger than most minivan. Anybody have information on
	this Nissan GXE?? I think Mitubish makes a similar one, too.

3. Does have anyone experience with auto-brokers?  They said if I tell them
   model, options, color, etc. they will get it cheaper than the dealer.
   They emphasized that I don't have to go thru the hassle with the dealer.

Thanks again!

-Chang

3. 
From: borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:06:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

R-12 can be replaced by a mixture of propane and iso-butane.  It will give
you a bit more cooling capacity as well.

But, don't expect to find anyone to do the work for you.  After all, the
stuff is flamable, and what with lawyers and lawsuits these days....

Of course, you would only have about a pound of the stuff running around,
as opposed to 90 lbs of gasoline (flamable), 8 lbs of oil (flamable), and
maybe a pound of brake fluid (flamable).

If you are interested, I have some information on how to do it.


Donald Borowski    WA6OMI    Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
"Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
                                       -G.K. Chesterton
From: cha@csgo.usc.edu (Seungho Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Help!!
Date: 27 Jul 1992 15:23:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: csgo.usc.edu
Keywords: Accord LX/EX

Hello.  Since my car was stolen (no insurance 8-( ), I'm considering 
to buy an 1992 Accord LX or EX soon.  Please, someone email me or post 
the information.  I especially want to know,

	1.	What are the reasonable prices for the above models?
		(without tax, title, etc.)

	2.	How much price difference is there between 2-dr coupe
		and 4-dr sedan?

	3.	How much price difference is there between 5 speed and
		automatic trans?

I'll really appreciate for your help.

- Seungho
From: pcolline@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Toyota Supra Repost
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:02:55 GMT

Earlier I posted about Supra's but only one person replied by email.  Doesn't
anyone own one of these or even like them?

This was my original post...

My brother just purchased an '85 Toyota Supra with 77k miles on it and I'm
wondering what people's experience has been with these cars. The car runs
very strong (161hp according to C/R '85) and handles pretty well too and so
far I'm impressed with it.  Would you say that the newer style Supras are
equally reliable and how does performance vary.  I know the newer normally
aspirated engine is larger and more powerful (3.0L 24v vs. 2.8L 12v DOHC) but
after driving one it seems like acceleration wasn't much better. Handling
and braking was clearly superior in the newer Supra though.

Anyways enough questions...thanks,

Phil


p.s. ok, one more...what's the word on '93 1/2 supra?
From: IAEXP000@BLURT.OSWEGO.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Help Identify Car
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:10:00 GMT

This may be the wrong newsgroup to ask this in, and if it is please point me
towards the correct one.

In a new Burger King commercial for Chicken Sandwich4o=c
From: kinnard@callahan.asd.sgi.com (Jeff Kinnard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Please buy my car!
Keywords: Rear brake pads, MORE worn out
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:44:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Before you sell your fun car, have you considered refinancing the loan?
I just refinanced my '90 Mustang at $13,400 and my payments were $370 a 
month at 13.4% and now they are $250 a month at 8.5%

Thought you might be interested!

Jeff
From: gurganus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (J Gurganus)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Need Comments on some Cars
Keywords: Cars
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:14:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

My sister is getting ready buy another car after someone
totaled the rear-end of her 88 Beretta GT.  Could anyone give me
some comments that I could pass on to her about the following
cars?
    1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais  International Quad-4 FE-3, Loaded
    1989 Cutlass Supreme V6 Loaded
    1988 Buick Skylark Limited  4\dr.

I have a '89 Cougar LS (all-out loaded).  Would anyone like to
comment about this car?  Any problems with the digital dash
(which is by far the best dash I've EVER seen)?
I've got a nasty rattle inside on each side in the
back...anyone else had this problem and found a fix?  Its also
got one of those weird rear-view mirrors that automatically
flip from light to dark...except mine doesn't work.  The
sensor is good but it seems that maybe the motor doesn't flip
the mirror inside or something.  The dealer wants over $200 to
replace it.  Surely there's something I can do cheaper than
that?

Please reply by Email.

Thanks for any info!

James Gurganus
(gurganus@ecn.purdue.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: 300zx better than the L88? NOT!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:34:55 GMT

In article <Bs0FIs.1Fs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v368ucgd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TOM STEEGMANN) writes:
>
>	In reply to the poster who didnt seem to think that a L88
>vette couldnt "survive" over 100mph, the top speed for this model
>was, in fact, 147 mph. This was done with bias ply tires. Try that in 
>your 300zx. Also, I dont need a lecture on brake cooling. The aluminum
>calipered L88 did just fine. It stopped from 80mph in 218 feet. The 
>300zx turbo takes *gasp* 231 feet! So much for your new technology
>argument. In fact, despite what you think, there has been very little
>new technology in any car for the past 30 or 40 years. Turbo or
>super charging? Nope, Mercedes did both in the 30's. All wheel drive?
>I guess if you dont count 50 
>	I think that you get my point. 
>
>Tom
>'

What about fuel injection? (btw this is a "real" question, I honestly don't
know if there was fuel injection before the 50's)

And I guess the Turbine engine is a moot point
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Info Requested on Nissan Sentra GXE and Subaru Loyale (sp?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:57:58 GMT
Organization: RICOH California Research Center

YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Yaakov Kayman) writes:
> My son, who has just started a (part-time?) job selling cars, said I
> ought to check out both the Nissan Sentra GXE and the Subaru Loyale
> if I want a (relatively? isn't everything?) low-priced quality car.
> Automatic transmission and A/C are musts for me; 4 doors are highly
> preferred.
> 
> Of particular interest to me are drivability, repair record,
> durability and longevity, and safety.


   I don't know about the Loyale, but the Sentra is a very good choice.

   The GXE has power everything and some other options you may not want.
   The Sentra XE can be had in a 4-door with A/C and auto for alot less
   money, the only difference being the gadgets toys and a couple of
   features which could be added individually to the XE.
From: valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph Valdesuso)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SATURN PRICE INCREASE
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:22:27 GMT
Reply-To: valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph Valdesuso)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>Saturn announced a 9+% price increase for the '93 model year
>
>any surprises>>>>>
Yes, but the optional air bag ($625) is now standard on the car.  If
you take this into account, the overall= increase is about 1% .  This
is excellent when iflation is about-- 5%.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bsmg9810@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bhaskar S. Manda)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:37:49 GMT

aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic) writes:

>In article <1992Jul17.063016.21262@news.unomaha.edu> ELHAZIN@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa Elhazin) writes:
>>Car's are my thing and bull-shit is not so why don't you instead get in 
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Lots deleted.

>You must be deaf, then.  Also, their "lost foam casting" process is brand-new
				       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>technology, unique to Saturn...  as is there spaceframe structural design...
>as is their polymer body panel system...

	Oooh, so lost foam casting is "brand-new technology", eh ?
	I wonder if you know what lost foam casting is, or did you
	just get that out of some sales brochure - in which case
	you're forgiven :)
	Lost foam casting is a very common, old and basic process
	used for many things, for example in die making .   

	Bhaskar(UIUC)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: deanc@apex.com (Dean Crane)
Subject: Re: Power of a Blow Out
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:13:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.125600.3684@linus.mitre.org>, rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:
> 
> What is the power of a blow out on a running car? Has anybody had this unfortunate
> experience? Does the car just go out of control or overturn? What is the safe speed
> number to be?
> 
> Comments?

I had a blow out of the right rear tire on an '88 Escort a few years ago.
I was on the freeway doing about 65/mph.  I was very loud, but didn't cause
the car to spin out of control.  In fact it did very little.  I just slowed
down and pulled over.

Dean Crane
uunet!apex.com!deanc
From: Mike Stukalin
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Yokohama tires
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:34:00 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I need a pair of tires for the rear of my '85 MR2. The size is 185/60hr-14
I currently have 2 Yoko 352's up front and 2 bold Dunlops on the back.
The car is driven on the street, although I'm looking forward to my first 
Auto-X in August.
My options  include Yoko 352 (discontinued, can be bought for only $40 mail
order, if still available); Yoko 509 (about $60), or new Yoko A378 ($53).
Other possibilities are Dunlop D60/M2 ($65) or new D60/A2 ($55?). But I've had 
a few Dunlops and they seem to wear too fast without benefiting handling.
I don't consider Firestone, Michelin, Bridgestone, Goodyear for various
reasons. And I can't afford BFG Comp/TA HR4 :-(
My main concern is dry/wet handling. I do have snow tires for winter.
So, what's the verdict? Buy 352's while they're cheap? Or go with 509's?
Or something compleately different? :-)
Thanks in advance. Mike.S
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:24:05 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: The Hellen Keller-Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1992Jul21.221322.531@crc.ricoh.com> chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton) writes:
>  I had an interesting conversation with a CHP officer recently that
>  yielded some good (hopefully reliable) information.  Yes the CHP is
>  branching out, and we can expect to continue to see different color
>  combinations.  Although these new colors are "stealthier", I was told
>  that cars used for traffic enforcement will continue to have door
>  stickers by law.  Did the white/white or silver cars you saw have the big
>  decals on the doors?  Also, the silver (also gold) cruisers now being

How do they get around the law?     (CVC $40800)

    Every traffic officer on duty... (if s/he) uses a motor vehicle, it
    must be painted a DISTINCTIVE COLOR (emphasis mine) specified by the
    commissioner.

--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

"I must have gone through 20 Porsches in the last 15 years.  Now I own 
 a Ferrari Testarossa.  My body would reject a Plymouth."
        -- Willie Brown, speaker of the California State Assembly
From: ghg@en.ecn.purdue.edu (George Goble)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:46:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <rkushner.3f8b@sycom.mi.org> rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner) writes:
>In an article, nstern@cass.ma02.bull.com (Neil Stern) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm looking to purchase a new car and I would like to know the
>>real scoop on auto a/c and CFC's. I have 3 basic questions:
>>
>>1) For how long will CFC refrigerants be available, and affordable?
>
>Not too much longer. If either Bush or Gore/Clinton are elected, expect
>a total phase out of R-12 by 1995.
>
>>2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
>>   year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?
>
>BMW, Chrysler LH & ZJ lines(LH = Concord  Intrepid  Vision '94 New Yorker - 
>ZJ = Jeep Grand Cherokee and Grang Wagoneer), and some GM models which were
>re-engineered for '92(Bonneville?) - I lost my full list. Basically as
>platforms are being phased out, so is R-12.
>
>>3) Can a car that currently uses CFC refrigerant also use the new 
>>   non-CFC refrigerants, or is there a fundamental difference between
>>   the types of A/C units?  In other words, can one replace the 
>>   refrigerant with non-CFC refrigerant?
>
>NO! The head pressures of R-134a are probably way too high for current
>condensors and compressors. Plus the capacity of 134a is ALOT less than
>R-12. Might as well fill it with Carbon Dioxide.
>
>Basically, don't get A/C on a car if it uses R-12, it's not worth it. By the
>time it's time to junk the car, reclaiming the ref. might cost up to $200. I
>currently work for a Carrier dealer and we raised our rates for warranty
>compressor changes $150 because we have to pump down the systems and
>reclaim/dispose of the burnt refridgerant. Two years ago I bought a 30lb jug
>of R-12 for $25, now the same can costs $60+ and all the added cost goes
>into Uncle Sam's pockets.

R-12 is now around $165 or so for 30 lb wholesale.  There are some blends
around that will work in an R-12 system, and at least one of them
gives better cooling performance.. These blends use no CFCs.  Check out
rec.autos.tech newsgroup, and search for "Freon"
--ghg
>
>>Thanks!
>
>Are you sure?

yep
--ghg
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Steam Clean Engine
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:15:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.221610.211@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>...and they guy rec. an engine steam clean (it was sorta hanus (sic)..the
>engine was literaly DIRTY)...so I had it done...looks great!

seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider) writes:
>I've heard this is a no-no if you've got fule injection.  The heat can destroy
>sensors etc... I generally go to a car wash and use the foaming engine cleaner.

In article <1992Jul25.044356.11463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>I hear the foam eats your sensors! But they guy who did the car for us
>told me where he was going to spray and not spay..he knew where all the 
>sensors and stuff are..(such stuff as the distrib.)

Let's think about this a minute.

You'll notice that there's no "floor" to your engine compartment. Ever drive
in the rain? Where do you think all that water goes? You gotcha. The car
manufacturers have already thought about all this. Why wouldn't an engine
sensor be *inside* the engine, anyway? All your wire harnesses are water- and
weather- proofed, and as for the heat, 212 degrees from steam is not that much
more than the average 190 degrees most modern engines run at anyway.

There are cautions, though- try to avoid firing a high-speed stream of water
directly onto connectors- sometimes water can seep in. Also, with the foam,
try to avoid keeping too much on the connectors, for the same reason. Other
than that, hell, EGR valves and manifolds and rocker covers and stuff couldn't
care less. I clean all my engines every now and then, and no ill effects. If
you keep your engine running as soon as you're done (sometimes I don't even
turn it off) the heat will help get rid of the water that much quicker.

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mhl@ece.cmu.edu (Mikko H. Lipasti)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Followup-To: rec.autos
Originator: mhl@spirit.ece.cmu.edu
Keywords: none
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:08:36 GMT


In article <92205.194311NAZ@auvm.american.edu>, Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu> writes:

|> Tell me something.  Do you like any Japanese cars at all?  There's gotta
|> be a link here somewhere.
|> 
|> -Naz

Tell me something.  Do you like any American cars at all?  There's gotta
be a link here somewhere. :)

-Mikko

p.s. You were asking for that one!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: schapple@mozzarella..
Subject: Re: [US] Accord Quality
Reply-To: schapple@ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 04:09:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.141809.11426@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>  
root@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (0000-Admin(0000)) writes:
> In article <2450011@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM>, eric@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Eric  
Fellers) writes:
> |> Ever notice how the seat upholstery fitment on Marysville Accords is  
pretty
> |> tacky?  Serious wrinkles and gaps.  Not at all up to the quality of  
their 
> |> Japan-built counterparts.  It's very simple to distinguish the  
US-built
> |> Accords from the imported ones, just by examining the seat cover  
fitment.
> |> I've done it (at our local Honda dealer) with near perfect accuracy.
> |> (Alas, there are fewer & fewer imported ones on the lot these days,  
so
> |> the comparison is harder & harder to arrange.)
> |> 
> |> As a Honda fan, this is very troubling to me.  It casts a shadow over  
their
> |> favorable reputation for quality.  Hopefully the situation will  
improve, but 
> |> this has been an observable problem for several years now.
> 
> You must be kidding.  Every Japanese Honda/Acura I have seen had  
horrible
> problems.  My examples:
> 
>   89 Integra LS - every peice of plastic body part was either deformed  
or
>                   improperly set. Several factory defects.
>   92 Prelude    - it was a rental with 250! miles.  The door molding on  
both
>                   sides fell off.  The hood was noticable offset from 
>                   one side to the other.  The black dashboard appeared
>                   warped. AC didn't work.
>   92 Legend     - engine block rear seals needed replacing at 8000 miles  
!
>                   A $1000 warranty job.
> 
> I have many friends who own AMERICAN made Hondas who have experienced  
next
> to no problems with factory defects.  The Integra above was my vehicle,
> it was nothing but trouble.  Several colleuges purchased 89 Integras and 
> none of them said they would buy another.  I can say I used to be a  
Honda
> fan, but based on my experiences I would never buy another Japanese made
> Honda/Acura product.
> 
> dan

My next door neighbors bought two brand new Honda Civics in 84 and they  
were both junked in 87--so much for Honda Quality. It convinced me that  
everything from Japan isn't so reliable.

Shawn
From: jchu@sword.eng.pyramid.com (Jan-Hua Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: A/C switch problem
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:13:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology

Need advices from netters. Thanks in advance.

The A/C switch next to the compressor of my car is not working.
I connected the wire so that it is on all the time if I turned
on the AC.

Is is OK to leave it like this?  Or, is it better to have it fixed?
How much will it cost?  Is it easy to fix by myself?

BTW, the car is an 85 Cutlass Supreme.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: norcott_bill.tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: 1989 Ford Tempo problem
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:28:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.013612.23442@tandem.com>, norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott) writes:
|> I just called Ford today at 1-800-392-3673, there is a recall for
|> the '87 model (which I have).  It is an emissions recall, not the
|> fuel pump.  My local Ford dealer scheduled me for the day after
|> tomorrow.  By the way it is called "campaign 89E78".
|> 
I called the EPA for a description of "campaign 89E78", here is what 
they do:

First they remove the fuel injector, which is one of two types.  If
type A they just re-install it, but if type B they replace it with
a brand new injector of type A.  They also adjust the throttle idle
stop position and (for auto transmission) the throttle linkage.
  
There is no mileage limit for this recall.  If the car has less than
50,000 the new part is warranted for the balance of the 50,000 miles.
If over 50,000 the warranty is probably the normal parts warranty for
Ford, but the car should run a lot better with the new, free injector.

-- 
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10600 N. Tantau Avenue		PHONE:  (408) 285-3253
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