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From: c23sn@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Siva Nadarajah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Info. on Travel Agents needed
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:53:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi Guys,

I am planning to travel to Colombo in December. Will anyone
suggest me reliable and competitive travel agents who 
deal on this route.

Pls respond via email to c23sn@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com.

Your help is very much appreciated.

Siva.
From: m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Imagine
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:10:34 GMT
Reply-To: m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena)
Followup-To: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC


be942@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nesan S. Sriskanda) babbles:

> What imagin? we had this imagine last 34 years, now we are in Action!
> So, you have in the period of imagination. Everything we are in Forward!

Que?  Huh??  Come again??? SAY WHAT????
From: nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Imagine
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:34:10 GMT
Organization: Guess what


	Whoof Whoof
			One sick puppy eh dudes? :-)
From: m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Imagine
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:25:11 GMT


Soundranayagam (possibly <NewsWatcher@sunova.ssc.gov>) says:

> Federelism is not segregation; decentralization of government, including
> the police. The security forces (army, navy and airforce) stationed in the
> north and east should reflect the make up of the local population.

But doesn't "Federalism" mean exactly that?  As far as I understand,
Federalism means having a federal government and a few State governments.
In a true Federation, States should be free to do their own things
within the laws of the Federation.  (Example: In the US, tenth amendment
to the constitution.  -- I just gave an example; I didn't suggest that
that's what's good for SL as well.)

> Sri Lanka never had a national party or national leaders. They were all
> either Singhala or Tamil or Muslim parties.

My memory maybe fading a bit, but UNP and SLFP did have candidates in all
of the electorates in 1977 election.  And the candidates were not all
Sinhalese.  Therefore, SL did have national parties.  Other than those of 
LTTE, there are on provisions prohibiting folks in Jaffa or VVT to become 
active members of national parties even today.

> By constitution, Sri Lanka is
> a Budhist country and only a Budhist can become a national leader.  Well,
> if he or she call himself a Budhist Sri Lankan, then he or she cannot be
> national leader. What I mean by all these is that elimination of cultures
> other than Singhala Budhist is written in the constitution.

The last time I looked at the SL constitution was in 1980.  Buddhism has
a special status under the constitution.  (Even though the constitution 
specifically mentions that all the religions are considered equal, I don't 
like that special status Buddhism enjoys, hence, my tongue-in-cheek (no, 
not that cheek, sheesh, get your mind out of the gutter) attitude about it 
in my "SL Bill of Rights" ...er.. should that be "Bill or Wrongs?")  

The requirement to be the president of SL is to have been born in SL, right?  
It doesn't say that the candidate to the presidency should be Buddhist or 
Sinhalese.  (All of this is from my memory, so I stand to be corrected *if* 
you have the facts straight.  Does anyone have a copy of the constitution?)

Some of us would like to see the separation of church and state (in SL's
case, it should be "temple and government") but if you have an attitude
like "... elimination of cultures other than Singhala Budhist is written 
in the constitution" you stand to piss everyone off.  

prasad
++ Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box.
   Religion is the smile on a dog.
		-- Edie Brickell & New the Bohemians ++
--
Prasad Dharmasena  Internet: <pkd@fed.FRB.GOV>   UUCP: <uunet!fed!pkd>
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: SL Bill of Rights
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:26:08 GMT
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Why don't we start discussing the partition in a manner acceptable to Tamils
and Sinhalase? Anything else would be just waste of time.
I have a plan with me(ready for a real discussion!). If any of you have sincere
hopes for peace, then this could be a good start(psychologically preparing for
the evantual split of Sri Lanka). I mean am I getting to the bloody sense here
or what?
SR you were all born in is pretty much diivided alreday. So, how long is the 'lets-pretend-it-is-unified' game up? How many more 'mishaps' in Colombo will it take to bring a sense of reality to the urban Sinhalase? Forget the bloody monks!

-Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
From: nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.)
Subject: Re: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed (LOOK WHO IS TALKING)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:29:48 GMT

In article <1en9rmINN84g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> be942@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nesan S. Sriskanda) writes:
>
>I thought "Mahavamsa I" was written by Lake House, "Mahavamsa II" is in the
   ^^^^^^^   
>print by Gunasena Book Depot.
	Oh wow!! clap clap clap !!! .So you do have the capability to "think"
too.Is that all you could come with your little brain boy?
	On the same token where was your birth certificate written at??
			The Dehiwela Zoo??

			truely amused
			
			Nishantha


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: tpapic@ocs.mq.edu.au (Anthony Papic)
Subject: Tomislav Rides Again
Reply-To: tpapic@ocs.mq.edu.au
Organization: Macquarie University, NSW, Australia.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:54:13 GMT


    Tomislavgrad was in fact called Duvno.....I know, I have some acquintances living there.....



Tony
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:568 soc.culture.usa:8601
From: U15231@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.usa
Subject: McCloskey Would Use Air Strikes Against Serbs
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:37:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92324.113722U15231
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago




        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Calling Bosnia a death camp, Rep. Frank McCloskey,
D-Ind., said Tuesday the United States should consider selective air
strikes against Serbian aggressors.
        ``Western policy based on negotiations, sanctions and peacekeeping
has failed,'' McCloskey said in a statement upon his return from a four-
day trip to Macedonia and Croatia as a member of a congressional
delegation.
        ``We need a more forceful and coherent strategy which confronts,
instead of acquiesces to, Serbian agression,'' he said.
        ``Serb forces are operating concentration camps on the edge of
Western Europe, and indeed, turning Bosnia itself into a death camp,''
McCloskey said. ``Hundreds of thousands of Bosnian civilians will die
this winter. Bosnia will be killed and the Bosnian nation decimated if
western policies continue on their present track.''
        McCloskey said he will recommend the Bush administration close the U.
S. embassy in Belgrade and bring ``to justice as war criminals Slobodan
Milosevic and his allies in Belgrade, Bosnia and Croatia.''
        ``In addition to that, I will specifically say that the Bush
administration should implement a strong commitment ot an American and
western policy generally of airpower,'' he said.
        ``In effect, if the siege of Sarajevo and Bosnia goes on, selective
air strikes must be used to make the Milosevic regime realize once and
for all that the west does mean to stand up to this and that he will not
get away with it,'' McCloskey said.
        He also called for lifting the United Nations arms embargo from
Bosnia and Croatia and liberating the concentration camps in Bosnia.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Call It Anything but Peace
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:32:05 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Andrej Brodnik (abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
)I said:
))Or maybe if the EC and the UN hadn't been in such a hurry with B-H.
))I know you hate to hear it, but at that time there existed only
))one sensible solution for B-H which could preserve peace. Today
))there is no sensible solution at all.
)
)First of all, what was that solution you are referring to?

B-H should have remained in Yugoslavia. And before you object,
answer the question: could it have been any worse than this?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:539 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9514
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Me, the Serb extremist
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:08:22 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Those who have followed s.c.yu since its creation know that I have
had several combats with Serbian netters, about Kosovo and other
things. Seldom, if ever, have there been an agreement between us.
And after all, what do we get?

Senad Arnautovic (arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca) writes:
>I am surprised you, who usually promotes pro-Chetnik (Serb extremists)
>views, posted this article.

This statement is so completely ludicruous that I find it useless
to even consider elaborating on my standpoint. Obviously, the
principle that if you are not with us you are against us, is effect    
here in the most absurd way.

With people like this, there will be never peace in the Balkan
until everyone is dead.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: "Bosnia Tune"
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:43:39 GMT

"Bosnia Tune"
By Nobel Laureate Joseph Brodsky

As you pour yourself a scotch,
crush a roach, or check your watch,
as your hand adjusts your tie,
people die.

In the towns with funny names,
hit by bullets, caught in flames,
by and large not knowing why,
people die.

In small places you don't know
of, yet big for having no
chance to scream or say good-bye,
people die.

People die as you elect
new apostles of neglect,
self-restraint, etc. -- whereby
people die.

Too far off to practice love
for thy neighbor/brother Slav,
where your cherubs dread to fly,
people die.

While the statues disagree,
Cain's version, history
for its fuel tends to buy
those who die.

As you watch the athletes score,
check your latest statement, or
sing your child a lullaby,
people die.

Time, whose sharp blood-thirsty quill
parts the killed from those who kill,
will pronounce the latter tribe
as your type.

-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:10:03 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Sinisa Mihailovic (miha@proteus1.UUCP) writes:
>        It  is  clear that he was of Orthodox faith and therefore Serb.
>Similar goes for the others. As for Boghumils, you should already know
>that Boghumilism originates from Russia, from the Orhodox religion.

No. Bogomil was a Bulgarian bishop. It is true that the Bogomils
originated from an Orthodox country, but they reach support in
the Catholic world as well. As I understand, theology is not my
speciality, Bogomilism was a very special form of Christianity,
much more different to Orthodox faith than Catholicism.

>Again, all of this has nothing  to  do  with  muslims,  except  that
>it prooves that muslims have  no  right  to  claim  the Bosnian heritage
>since they have never lived in the independent and souvereign Bosnia-
>Herzegovina.

But tell us, what happened to the Bogomils? And where did the
Muslims come from?

>Oh, yeah. My heart is in what was Yugoslavia. You people destroyed it.

Who are "you people"? Senad Aranautovic, to whom you replied? Croats,
Slovenes and Muslims in general? Do you think the Serbs are innocent?
Do you think you are innocent?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:567 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9581
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 10:51:00 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Cro?
 <1992Nov19.032934.28435@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>

In article <1992Nov19.032934.28435@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, xyz@ualberta.ca says:
>
>In article <92323.100352U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago
>Cro) writes:
>> Look Rasputin, If you have a book tell me and I'll read it. But why
>> can't you get me a book to read on Chetnik (Serb) History? Because there ...
>> (deleted)
>> The Cheniks are sissies...
>>                                 __
>>           )|(    -----      |__|__
>>           ---    -----       __|  |
>>           )|(
>>
>>                 ...as well as Fascists...
>>
>>
>> -Cro...A Western Oriented Person...
>
>Mr. Zeljko Sijercic, enough of your racist slander!
>

I am not Chicago Cro, nor I post from account U52148@UICVM.UIC.EDU.
My name is Zlatko Sijercic (not Zeljko), my account is U15231@UICVM.UIC.EDU
and I am Bosnian Muslim.

Elementary logic would allow having at least two person from the same school
posting to soc.culture.*. Agree?

>Guess who?...

Whoever....




Zlatko Sijercic


   ------------
   |\ \*   *  |    LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT
   |* \ \     |
   |  * \ \ * |  BOSNIA AND HERCEGOVINA !!!
    \   * \ \/
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 14:32:01 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Bosnia Tune

Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:27:01 EST
To: Iztok.Hozo@math.lsa.umich.edu
From: BOSNET@math.lsa.umich.edu
Subject:    Brodsky-NYTimes
Reply-To: Iztok.Hozo@math.lsa.umich.edu
Organization: BOSNET (Bosnian Electronic Network)

Contribution by: stela


         THE NEW YORK TIMES - NOV.18.1992
            OP-ED

          BOSNIA TUNE   -   By Jozeph Brodsky

     As you pour yourself a scotch,
     crush a roach, or check your watch,
     as your hand adjusts your tie,
     people die.

     In the towns with funny names,
     hit by bullets, caught in flames,
     by and large not knowing why,
     people die.

     In small places you don't know
     of, yet big for having no
     chance to scream or say good-bye,
     people die.

     People die as you elect
     new apostles of neglect,
     self-restraint, etc.-whereby
     people die.

     Too far off to practice love
     for thy neighbor/brother Slav,
     where your cherubs dread to fly,
     people die.

     While the statues disagree,
     Cain's version, history
     for its fuel tends to buy
     those who die.

     As you watch the athletes score,
     check your latest statement, or
     sing your child a lullaby,
     people die.

     Time, whose sharp blood-thirsty quill
     parts the killed from those who kill,
     will pronounce the latter tribe
     as your type.

---------------------------------------------
Joseph Brodsky , the poet , won the Nobel Prize
for Literature in 1987.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: xyz@ualberta.ca 
Subject: Cro?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:29:34 GMT

In article <92323.100352U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago  
Cro) writes:
> Look Rasputin, If you have a book tell me and I'll read it. But why
> can't you get me a book to read on Chetnik (Serb) History? Because there ...
> (deleted)
> The Cheniks are sissies...
>                                 __
>           )|(    -----      |__|__
>           ---    -----       __|  |
>           )|(
> 
>                 ...as well as Fascists...
> 
> 
> -Cro...A Western Oriented Person...

Mr. Zeljko Sijercic, enough of your racist slander!

Guess who?...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: DEMONSTRATE at the UN for BOSNIA
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:33:04 GMT

Assalamu `alaykum,

                             DON'T LET BOSNIA DIE!



	How long must the killing continue?
	How long must the raping continue?
	How long must the homelessness continue?
	How long must the misery continue?

	HOW LONG MUST BOSNIANS REMAIN DEFENSELESS?


  Please raise your voice to save Bosnia. DEMONSTRATE at the UN!

  November 21st at 11:00 AM on 47th st and 1st ave.
  Zuhr prayer at 1pm in front of the UN.

  Organized by Majlis Ash-shura of New York and Metropolitan Area.

  For information, please call: (718)658-1290 / 262-8865 / 822-0800


Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric)
Subject: Want sample letters to UN, US Pres,etc.
Organization: Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:52:10 GMT

Does anyone out there have samples of letters
they've sent requesting further aid for the
people of Bosnia?  I'm also looking for
correct addresses of high officials at the
UN and in other strategic places where
letters might prompt greater outpouring
of humanitarian aid.

I'd need these before 5 p.m. CST tomorrow,
Friday.  Thanks.

susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 14:39:46 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkey proposes conference to discuss Bosnia-Herzegovina

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (SEVA ULMAN)

Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:57:00 PST

        ANKARA, Turkey (UPI) -- Turkey has invited several countries in the
Balkans to a regional conference to discuss the situation in Bosnia-
Herzegovina, a Foreign Ministry official said Thursday.
        Ankara took the initiative after expressing dissatisfaction with the
resolution passed in the U.N. Security Council Monday authorizing an
international naval blockade to enforce economic sanctions on Serbia and
Montenegro, or ``little Yugoslavia.''
        Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Filiz Dincer said the resolution,
prepared by Belgium, the United States and Britain, ``was far from
satisfactory.''
        She said Turkey has invited the Balkan states, including Bulgaria,
Romania, Albania and Greece, to attend a conference in Istanbul Nov. 25
to discuss the situation in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
        ``There are two dimensions to this problem,'' Dincer said. ``One is
to immediately stop the bloodshed in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the other
is the fear that the conflict might spread to other regions.''
        Earlier, the Foreign Ministry expressed fears the fighting in former
Yugoslavia may spread to Kosovo, where ethnic Albanian Muslims are
seeking to break away from Serbia.
        Dincer said Ankara would try ``to keep up the momentum'' of efforts
to end the fighting in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and would use all the means
at its disposal to get the Security Council ``to pass a more efficient
resolution.''
        Efforts would also be made to stop Serbia from making aggressive
moves against its neighbors, she said.
        Ankara has invited Hungary and Austria to attend the Balkans
conference. Though these two countries are not strictly Balkan states,
``they would be most affected in case the conflict spreads,'' Dincer
said.
        Other states invited included the former Yugoslav republics of
Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.
        In Athens, government spokesman Vassilis Magginas said Greece would
not attend the Istanbul conference.
        ``Initiatives have already been taken by the United Nations and the
European Community to confront the problems which have arisen due to the
break-up of Yugoslavia,'' he said.
        ``The Geneva conference is continuing its sessions, and French
Foreign Minister Roland Dumas has additionally proposed to the European
Community a meeting of Community representatives on the same issue,''
Magginas said.
        For the past few months, Athens has blocked E.C. recognition of
Macedonia if it continued to use the name ``Macedonia'' internationally.
Political analysts said Greece could not attend a conference where the
breakaway state attended under that name.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Me, the Serb extremist
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:51:59 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Muris Cicic (cicic@cc.uow.edu.au) writes:
>You deliberatelly avoid the arguments.  It is not question of being with us,
>it is discussion about truth and humanity.  You always have had understanding
>for ridiculous claims of Serbian fascists in B&H.  As I told you already, you
>are quite happy with current killing (100,000 people), raping (50,000),
>displacing (2 mil), you are against intervention, or lifting arm-embargo.

Quite happy? Please apologize for that statement.

Yes, I am against intervention, I don't want to see want even more 
blood flow. And I fail to see what we should intervene for. Bosnia-
Hercegoniva as an independent state from day one. If Alija & co
thought that "The New World Order" would intervene on their side
because they were the weaker, that was very unresponsible. Just as
little as aggression should be rewarded, should plain folly be.

If someone can show me a plan to what the intervention is meant to
install, I might consider it. The only stable structure which can
be achieved is a partition of B-H between Serbia and Croatia, but
that is morally unacceptable. Well, of course if you drive all Serbs
out of B-H you might also be able to achieve something, but that would
be equally unacceptable.

The only plan which might be worth intervening for would be to make B-H
a UN protectorate, put under a non-Serbo-Croats leadership. In such
an intervention all armed forces would be enemies, Muslims, Serbs and
Croats all alike. Then again, that would be an expedition that would
cost many lives, and still have a low likelyhood to sucede.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se