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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Boxing:SuperMiddleweights (Nunn, Eubank, Barkley, Benn)
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:54:20 GMT


>WBC                WBA                IBF                WBO
>Nigel Benn(ENG)    Michael Nunn(US)   Iran Barkley(US)   Chris Eubank(ENG)
>

I finally found someone who recognizes the WBO. Now there is two. 

Keep these reports coming. Its good reading.

>With James Toney moving up, this division could see some sparks flying pretty
>soon.
>
>Simon.
>



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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

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From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: ALI in jail
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:22:30 GMT

I don't think ALI ever spent time in JAIL.  His title was stripped
and he could not get a license to fight in any states for 3 years. 

Last nights result
TONY TUBBS W10 BRUCE SELDON
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Boxing: SuperMiddleweights (Nunn, Eubank, Barkley, Benn)
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.135508.10109@news.Hawaii.Edu>
tokuda@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Lee Tokuda) writes:
>>
>>Benn was also interested in fighting Iran Barkley again, having already
>>stopped Barkley in 1 round 2 years ago. This would be a hellish fight
>>on the basis of what happened last time out. Comments welcome ?
>>
>
>True, the last time out, Benn-Barkley was blowout.  I've been watching
>Iran Barkley since his comeback, however, and his new trainer, Eddie
>Mustapha Muhammad, has done wonders with the super-middleweight champ.
>Barkley fights with more focus than I've ever seen in him before.
>Just look at the expression on his face when he entered the ring
>against Darrin Van Horn and Thomas Hearns . . . I'd swear he was ready
>to kill somebody.  If Benn-Barkley II were to happen, I think Barkley
>would have a very good chance at avenging his previous loss.  He walked
>through the "Hit Man".  He just might walk through Nigel Benn.
>
>

Believe it or not there is talk about Barkley/Duran II. Duran fought a nobody
last month. Cant say he looked bad, but then again who did he fight? He was
down to 166 which is amazing since he was at over 200 in the summer!
>-Lee
>
>



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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: ronnow@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Roennow)
Subject: Re: How far away to stand playing darts?
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<1992Oct7.103019.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:44:51


>>>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:00:19 GMT, bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca said:

bill> And the metric data have arrived - 2.37 meters, which is 7 ft 9 and 1/4,
bill> and 1.74 meters, or 5 ft 8 inches and a bit... the metric figures are
bill> "official". [click click ...]

I cannot figure out the 1.74. The center should be 1.73 over the floor:

			     |
	O       =-           |-
       /|/                   |
	|                      1.73
       /|
--------+-----------------    -
	|	2.37	     |

/ronnow
From: sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: Boxing (Toney vs Macallum, Herol Graham, etc.)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:01:41 GMT
Expires: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 00:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau)
Followup-To: rec.sport.misc
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Oct14.032013.21504@news.Hawaii.Edu> tokuda@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Lee Tokuda) writes:
>
[ stuff deleted ]
>jab and a hard right hook to the BODY.  I guess Olympic judges
>are not the only one's who think jabs and body shots don't count.
>Because of this fight and the Tiberi (sp?) fight, I'm beginning
>to think there's something rotten going on in the estate of
>Bob Arum.  Just look at the scoring of those two judges and you
>know McCallum never had a chance from the moment the contracts 
>were signed.  
[ stuff deleted ]

Hey, I've got a great idea; let's use that system from the Olympics :)
How did it go again : For a punch to be registered, all three (or 2 out of 3)
judges have to push their buttons simultaneously within a 1 second time 
interval. Correct ?

I can see one of the judges now :
"... blast, on second thoughts, maybe I made a mistake; where's the UNDO 
button, whoops was that another clean punch while I was distracted. Damn, 
past the 1 second time limit. Reactions just ain't what they used to be.
Gonna have to sharpen up on my son's Nintendo. Good punch, hope the other
judges caught that otherwise it'll be discounted. Hoo boy, that was a
fast combination, the other guys better be as sharp as me ..."

I don't know about you but I think this could definitely take off in
the professional game. Controversial fights will be a thing of the
past. Just ask Eric Griffin (sp ?); he's the system's biggest fan.

>
>-Lee


Simon.


"I'm not going to predict the winner, but I will
 say that when the fight's over, I'll be leaving with the belt"
-- Frank 'I don't go into the ring to have an orgasm' Bruno


P.S.  Yeah, I do think Bruno's crap.
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From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: Fight results
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:42:22 GMT

HEAVYWEIGHT ACTION 

Jorge Luis Gonzalez KO 1 Phil Brown
Phil Brown looked pathetic, he weighed 200 pounds against 260 pound
Gonzlez.  He was scared and fell from the first punch.

Marc Rhine W8 James Broad
James Broad was 320 pounds. Rhine looked OK but he has to get alot
better if he ever plans on moving up. 

Michael Dokes W10 Jose Ribalta
I thought Dokes looked pretty good.  He speed was there and was able to
rattle off pretty good combinations.  I was somewhat impressed.

Ray Mercer KO7 Mike Dixon
Mercer was his usual self, that is strong, walk through anything, and
showed average skills. He pounded Dixon and Dixon pounded back but
Mercer walked through it all. Dixon had little chance of winning the
fight and was cut badly so it was stopped. 

ALSO: NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT 
BRUCE SELDON VS. TONY TUBBS - ESPN
From: ptks@swatow.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Tan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Letter
Date: 14 Oct 1992 02:24:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ptks@swatow.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: swatow


I have a this issue that a friend asked me.


What is the difference between earning a varsity letter and earning a letter jacket?
Do some colleges give one and not the other?

-pt
 
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From: tokuda@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Lee Tokuda)
Subject: Re: Boxing: SuperMiddleweights (Nunn, Eubank, Barkley, Benn)
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:55:08 GMT

>
>Benn was also interested in fighting Iran Barkley again, having already
>stopped Barkley in 1 round 2 years ago. This would be a hellish fight
>on the basis of what happened last time out. Comments welcome ?
>

True, the last time out, Benn-Barkley was blowout.  I've been watching
Iran Barkley since his comeback, however, and his new trainer, Eddie
Mustapha Muhammad, has done wonders with the super-middleweight champ.
Barkley fights with more focus than I've ever seen in him before.
Just look at the expression on his face when he entered the ring
against Darrin Van Horn and Thomas Hearns . . . I'd swear he was ready
to kill somebody.  If Benn-Barkley II were to happen, I think Barkley
would have a very good chance at avenging his previous loss.  He walked
through the "Hit Man".  He just might walk through Nigel Benn.


-Lee

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Boxing: SuperMiddleweights (Nunn, Eubank, Barkley, Benn)
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:11:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.123112.8757@news.Hawaii.Edu> >>
>>      Lets just hope Tyson's appeal is successful...    
>>     
>>       
>>      Gavin. 
>
>Actually, If Tyson did commit rape, lets hope he stays in jail.  
>Boxing probably doesn't need him around anyway.  The worst case
>scenario would be if Razor Ruddock were to emerge as the
>heavyweight champ.  Then everyone would say that the REAL champion
>is in jail.  Otherwise, the Heavyweights should do fine.  Sure
>Tyson would have added more excitement to the division - but
>Holyfield-Bowe and Lewis-Ruddock are very great matchups.
>Mercer-Moorer or Mercer-Ruddock would be excellent action fights.
>Throw Morrison in there (He can give any heavyweight hell -
>for three rounds) and you can get some pretty tantalizing fights.
>Oh yeah, and don't forget Tony Tucker and Alex Garcia . . .
>I think the Heavyweight division, right now, is the strongest
>its been since the 70's.  Even without Tyson, the division has
>more depth than it did when Holmes or Tyson held the throne.
>

uh...gotta disagree with you on this one. The "REAL" champion is Evander. He
beat Buster who beat the former "REAL" champ Tyson. Tyson has since been KOed
by Don King and Deseree Washington. Tyson was found guilty. He will serve at
least 3 years. And some preacher has been investigated by the FBI for tampering
with the case. Seems that Deserees father taped a conversation with the
preacher where he was offered $1,000,000 to drop the case. The preacher said
that Don King was sitting right beside him when the offer was made. So more as
the punches are  thrown.




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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: ttt@cmr.no (Tore Tjomsland)
Subject: Mr. Sandman
Keywords: Boxing
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:19:55 GMT

Have you heard about Mr. Sandman ?
He's a new boxer at Kronk Gym (Emanuel Stewart)
He comes from my hometown here in Norway, and
perhaps he'll be a big star.

So, have you heard about him, and do you know
when he'll fight his first match ?

Tore Tjomsland
ttt@cmr.no
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: Boxing: Heavyweight division, random comments
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:55:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: aio.1992Oct14.195549.29881
Organization: NASA/JSC

In article <SINGH.92Oct13151305@julius.cs.uiuc.edu> singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu
(Rajendra Singh) writes:
>The HWs still seem to have interesting possibilities.  The current
>Final Four tourny thing is great.  I think there are several
>problems which hopefully will be overcome.  So I'll ramble
>a bit about some of em.
>
>1. The spectre of Tyson.  He has the legend but is in jail.  He
>	is neither still involved, nor is he gone.  He is in
>	this limbo state and people will say he would crush
>	whoever it is that is champion.  When he gets out in
>	a few years, people will say what if he hadn't wasted
>	his best years and lost his talent.
My 2 sense: There is a lot of "IFS" involving Tyson, IF he did fight Holyfield,
who would have won? IF he gets out of jail, and IF he fights Holyfield, and IF
he loses, will he be remember as the fighter who lost it in jail?  Well, there
are just too many IFs. I just try to remember: IF  grasshoppers carried  45s,
birds wouldn't f*** with them.
>
>2. Fear of losing.  The top fighters don't want to fight any
>	contendors for fear of losing.  Other divisions seem
>	to have more big matches, with losses not being
>	percieved as much career threatening.
Well, Cooper/Moorer was a chancy fight. As well as Bowe/Coetzer, Rudduck/Lewis.
Otherwise you got it all right!
>
>3. Pay-Per-View.  PPV has brought big money to boxing, but I
>	wonder if it's good.  The big fights are expensive
>	and there is the previously mentioned lack of second
>	tier fights.  Exposure for new fans has diminished.
>	Then again, there's the HBO and showtime fights, but
>	that's still cable.
YEP. Cant argue with that. Although TVKO has lost a shit-load of money trying
the monthly PPV fights. (They have since stopped that) 
>
>4. Don King.  Scum, giving the sport more bad press.  The idea
>	of owning fighters and all that is a part of the
>	sport and a very bad part I think.
Some day, Don will be on the wrong end of a gun. How about Chavez/Camacho? He
promoted both of them! Only in america....could you get booed at the Thomason
Mack Convention Center louder than Camacho!
>
>There seem to be some interesting HW fighters out there, hopefully
>they'll actually fight each other once in a while.  The other
>divisions may overtake the HWs, which may be a good thing.  Has
>it already happened?
>
>Comments highly encouraged.
>
>peace,
> -raj
>--
>			  __ \_;
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>Rajendra Singh		    |
>singh@cs.uiuc.edu	   /__/--\
>			   \   @_/
>			    |
>			^.  /
>			 `==
>
>



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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: stonek@rollout.tymnet.com (Ken Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: bouncing mail and ball
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:43:56 GMT
Organization: btna


Vim

 Mail to you is bouncing back.  Sending to mahadeva@chimi.engr.ucdavis.edu.


 Sorry for this post.

 I have been recovering from an old back injury this summer.  Have
not been playing much racquetball.  I know of a doubles only
tournament 16-18 at gold river is sacramento.  The week after is
the doubles nationals in phoenix.  I'll check the calendar...


ken

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Boxing: Great fight To-nite!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:14:58 GMT

Hey! Keep the boxing news coming! 


And for you fight fans there is a good one on tonight! 

In the Blue corner, the challenger, an environmentalist, a Senator, fighting
for a change in America, Senator Al Gorrrrrrrrreeeeeee!

And in the Red corner, the current champion, a VP who watches too much TV, and
cant spell, head of the now unfunded Space Counsel, and virtually out of sight
during the whole campaign, the champion, the Vice President, Dan "I wish I
didn't have to do this" Quaylllllllllllll.

And in the White corner, the unknown, mystery challenger, fighting out of
Texas, on the heals of Ross Perot, the honorable......?

My Prediction: In the first encounter of the two parties, Bush failed to deck
Clinton, while Clinton was armed with enough counter punches to force Bush into
his corner. Clinton launched his attack using combinations of Bushes record in
the economy, and his own plans for change in America.

In the only good exchange, Bush through a poorly thrown overhand right and
attacked Clintons patriotism and character. Clinton countered with a good crisp
jab which reminded Bush that his own father fought against McCarthy-ism. This
jab shut Bushes mouth. (as Gov Ann Richards put it: "you can stick a fork in
George Bush, he's done!")

The third man in the ring was doing nothing more than showboating somewhat like
Paez or Leonard, but he was gaining points although none of his punches had any
zip, sting, or effect on anyone intelligent. 

As for tonights match:

Quayl will once again come in unprepared, overweight, and with little
confidence. Watch for him to get his feet crossed as well as his facts. He will
not need Gore to KO him, he can handle this himself.

Gore is poised for victory. Unlike the Presidential debate, there will be a
clear winner. 

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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: SHORT BOXING QUIZ
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:28:17 GMT

1. Who was the last fighter Mike Tyson fought?
2. What fight inspired Sylvester Stallone to write Rocky?
3. Who was Ali's last opponent?  
4. What fighters scored knock downs on Ali ?
5. What current Heavyweight contender has only one loss, a
   loss to Mike Tyson? 
6. Razor Ruddock has three defeats, two to Mike Tyson, who
   was the other loss to?

Each question is 1 point except for #4.  You get one point per
fighter that scored knockdowns against ALI.
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From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: ESPN
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:14:42 GMT

TONY TUBBS VS. BRUCE SELDON ESPN TONIGHT

Tubbs was just knocked out a month ago in the first
round on USA.  He tried to take the guy out and got
gonged.  I think his career was fading so he tried
to make himself more exciting.

Seldon had a tough time with Mike Dixon. If you saw
the Mercer vs. Dixon fight you know why.
From: sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: ALI in jail
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Oct15.162230.13886@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
>I don't think ALI ever spent time in JAIL.  His title was stripped
>and he could not get a license to fight in any states for 3 years. 
>

Now that you mention it, you could be right. My memory of what I read
is a bit hazy. Either way, it was obviously for a different reason to
Tyson's.

>Last nights result
>TONY TUBBS W10 BRUCE SELDON

Simon.
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From: singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: Boxing: Heavyweight division, random comments
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:13:05 GMT

The HWs still seem to have interesting possibilities.  The current
Final Four tourny thing is great.  I think there are several
problems which hopefully will be overcome.  So I'll ramble
a bit about some of em.

1. The spectre of Tyson.  He has the legend but is in jail.  He
	is neither still involved, nor is he gone.  He is in
	this limbo state and people will say he would crush
	whoever it is that is champion.  When he gets out in
	a few years, people will say what if he hadn't wasted
	his best years and lost his talent.

2. Fear of losing.  The top fighters don't want to fight any
	contendors for fear of losing.  Other divisions seem
	to have more big matches, with losses not being
	percieved as much career threatening.

3. Pay-Per-View.  PPV has brought big money to boxing, but I
	wonder if it's good.  The big fights are expensive
	and there is the previously mentioned lack of second
	tier fights.  Exposure for new fans has diminished.
	Then again, there's the HBO and showtime fights, but
	that's still cable.

4. Don King.  Scum, giving the sport more bad press.  The idea
	of owning fighters and all that is a part of the
	sport and a very bad part I think.

There seem to be some interesting HW fighters out there, hopefully
they'll actually fight each other once in a while.  The other
divisions may overtake the HWs, which may be a good thing.  Has
it already happened?

Comments highly encouraged.

peace,
 -raj
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From: tokuda@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Lee Tokuda)
Subject: Re: Boxing (Toney vs Macallum, Herol Graham, etc.)
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:20:13 GMT


I saw Tony-McCallum II and thought the fight was pretty close.
The two judges who had Tony ahead by 7 and 8 pts. were way
out of line.  True, Tony generally did land the harder HEAD
shots.  But McCallums best weapons during the fight were his
jab and a hard right hook to the BODY.  I guess Olympic judges
are not the only one's who think jabs and body shots don't count.
Because of this fight and the Tiberi (sp?) fight, I'm beginning
to think there's something rotten going on in the estate of
Bob Arum.  Just look at the scoring of those two judges and you
know McCallum never had a chance from the moment the contracts 
were signed.  Anyway, I just watched the fight once and had
McCallum winning a close decision.  It could have gone to Tony,
but not by 7 or 8 pts.

-Lee



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From: tokuda@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Lee Tokuda)
Subject: Re: Boxing: SuperMiddleweights (Nunn, Eubank, Barkley, Benn)
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.111417.13125@phillip.edu.au> t9014192@phillip.edu.au writes:
>In article <BvrqIE.M1K@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau) writes:
>> 
>> Hmmm, it would seem that the SuperMiddleweight scene could well
>> be taking off, especially after recent title fights...
>>  
>>     [stuff deleted]
>>  
>> Simon.
>
>      I wish we could say the same thing about 
>      the Heavyweight division!
>
>      Lets just hope Tyson's appeal is successful...    
>     
>       
>      Gavin. 

Actually, If Tyson did commit rape, lets hope he stays in jail.  
Boxing probably doesn't need him around anyway.  The worst case
scenario would be if Razor Ruddock were to emerge as the
heavyweight champ.  Then everyone would say that the REAL champion
is in jail.  Otherwise, the Heavyweights should do fine.  Sure
Tyson would have added more excitement to the division - but
Holyfield-Bowe and Lewis-Ruddock are very great matchups.
Mercer-Moorer or Mercer-Ruddock would be excellent action fights.
Throw Morrison in there (He can give any heavyweight hell -
for three rounds) and you can get some pretty tantalizing fights.
Oh yeah, and don't forget Tony Tucker and Alex Garcia . . .
I think the Heavyweight division, right now, is the strongest
its been since the 70's.  Even without Tyson, the division has
more depth than it did when Holmes or Tyson held the throne.

-Lee


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From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: How far away to stand playing darts?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:10:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.171529.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>I hope I'm not mistaken on this, but I believe [the throwing distance]
>is 7 feet 9.75 inches, or is it 7 ft 9.25 inches?

It is 7 feet, 9 1/4 inches.  The center of the bulls-eye is 5 feet, 8
inches from the floor.  The diagonal distance from the center of the
bulls-eye to the front of the throwing line (oche) is 9 feet, 7 and
3/8ths inches.

There are rumored to be some places in England where the line is as
close as 6 feet and as far as 9 feet.

Then again, if you're setting up a soft-tip board in Snake Navel,
Idaho...  {;^)

By the way.  Anybody out there still playing American darts complete
with Widdies and potatoes?  Now there's a REAL game!
-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
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