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From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Thank you at night (was Re: Signalling one's desire to pass)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:32:17 GMT
Reply-To: karl@isgtec.com <Karl Sewlochan>
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
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Apostolos Karmirantzos (karmira@natinst.com) wrote:
: 
:   What do you think is the appropriate way to signal a thank you at night
: to someone who went right to allow you to pass. If it's day, I just wave
: my hand, but what about at night?
: 	Apostolos

Try flashing your left blinker, right blinker, left blinker or
flashing your 4 ways (hazzards) for a second or turning your
inside light on and off a couple of times.


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From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach x4365 5-2)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors in Conn.
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:31:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <1992Oct9.140230.3222@cornerstone.com>, aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron) writes:
|> In article <586@arrl.org>, bdicosim%arrlhq.UUCP@uhasun.hartford.edu (Bridget 
|> DiCosimo) writes:
|> 
|> > Read in the paper yesterday that Radar Detectors are now LEGAL in
|> > Connecticut.
|> 
|> Is this true?  And is Connecticut now being overrun with Laser?  This would 
|> be a _serious_ bummer for those of us who make frequent runs down I-84...
|> 
|> Andy

Yes, it's true. The bill was passed last spring and just took effect
Oct. 1. As far as being over-run by Laser speed guns, I highly doubt it
considering how much each gun costs. They MAY have a few (remember, this is
the People's Republic of Connecticutt we're talking about, where the
liquor stores close at 8:00pm, even on weekends!) but I don't know for
sure and have not heard reports of any....

-Jeff

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: rlatham@decster.uta.edu (rlatham)
Subject: BEL Laser Detector (was Re: LIDAR workings)
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:16:33 GMT

In article <Bvpxo9.J9u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jsc52962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Curtis) writes:
>
>}Another thought re: laser detectors.  Are they only working on deflection
>}from atmosphere particles?  Or does it work on the laser hitting the car
>}itself.  The latter would be too late, wouldn't it?
>
>Yes, it would be too late.  The hope is that the cop guns somebody in
>front of you, and you pick up some of that signal as it's bouncing around.

I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and noticed they had a BEL Laser Detector
for around $100.  It claimed up to a 5 mile range.
Is this one of them that was recently tested in a car magazine
article?

Has anyone actually tried one yet?


Russ (rlatham@decster.uta.edu)
From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Al Gore's comments
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:11:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Oct12.170342.6594@photon.com>
jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:

> Someone told me that in his book Al Gore said that the car was more
> dangerous than the atomic bomb.  Does anyone have any further information
> on this?

I haven't read the book,(maybe next week ;-) but I have to agree with
him.

Bri
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Subject: Ridiculous signs (was Re: solution to deficits)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:37:06 GMT

> In article <Bw0xtK.1y0@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>  > What is a waste are those darn BUMP signs.  Hey, you put those
>  > things where it's no worse than the rest of the road!  What fool
>  > determined that this tiny bump deserves a sign where all those big
>  > ones don't?  (small compared to the cost of roads, but he started
>  > it :)
> 
Driving through MD (or DEL) a few weeks ago late at night in a the
pouring rain (tropical storm somebody-or-other) I saw signs on 95
that said "Uneven Pavement Joins".  OK, I thought, bumpy expansion
joints, no problem.  Then I started to change lanes to pass a truck.
Oops, now the left wheels are 3 inches lower than the right ones.  An
unpleasant experience.  In NJ, on the GSP, when the resurfacing
temporarily leaves the lanes at different heights, the sign has an
icon of a car doing the split lane tilt with the two wheels at different
levels.  In addition, the low and high lanes are separated by a double
white line.  Any other conventions out there?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Red Turning Signals 
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:16:56 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Oct12.102608@IASTATE.EDU> oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur
Yalcin) writes: 

>I can not understand why American car producers insist on installing
>the turning signal, the brake lamp and the taillights all together.
>You can hardly tell whether someone is signalling, braking, or
>emergency signalling, at first glimpse, since thay are all red.

Shhh!

Americans don't like to be told this. Most of them think it is a
wonderful idea.

More to the point, this argument comes up too often as it is...

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Right turn on red
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:54:19 GMT

In article <673@dwp.la.ca.us>, tim@dwp.la.ca.us (Tim Mortensen) writes:
> A quick question.  Is it legal to make a right turn on red from the lane
> next to the right lane when it is designated for a right turn?????
> I can't believe it is legal yet EVERYBODY in LA does it.  Am I wrong?
> 

If you are saying that there are two right-turn lanes, then why not?
We have some of those here in Chicago too and I do it.

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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:10:46 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writ
> >
> >In case you missed this morning's Wall Street Journal, Henry Ross Pee-rot
> >wants to have a Federal gasoline tax of 50 cents a gallon.
> >
> >Just thought you might like to be aware of this.
> 
> And it's a darned good idea, too. Even with 50 more cents/gallon of tax,
> we'd still have the cheapest gasoline in the world, AND we might be able
> to begin working on rebuilding our country's crumbling infrastructure.


Agreed, Ibe be all for this, JUST AS LONG, as I knew the money *was* going 
twords better/faster roads and so on.  Not just to line the pockets of 
polictions..

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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>We're talking 1980's and 1990's, not 1930's. And your grandfather on
>the road for 20 days a month is not your typical commuter... I have

That was just to indicate that not everyone fit into that neat little
slot you had made of "no one" having the mega-commutes we have today.
I showed that those existed in Europe a while ago, at least for some
people. Also, commuting between cities is not all that unusual there,
my aunt does it today, and my uncle commutes about 15-20 miles. He must
go by car, and my aunt goes part of her 30 mile commute by train. SOme
more data points for you.

>(as compared to the US) have mega-commutes.

For the 100+ milers, I'd agree, but many commute further than you think.
City to city. And many go to another city for the afternoon, by auto,
bus, or train. They don't think anything of it to travel 30-40 miles
that way.

Yes, let's get the input from people living in other countries, esp
if those are their home countries and they live there without a supplement
for housing from their companies.

>Germany is the closest to the United States you'd find in Europe. But,
>there's still England (serious tax penalties for over 1.4 and 2.0 liter
>engines), Italy, Greece, France, ..... Remember some of the funnier named
>BMW's, i.e. 516 (kidding), 518, etc?

I still see the 1.8s and 2.0s and 2.5s. Do you realize that a BMW 1.8
probably blows the doors off of several v-8s?

>Jack rabiting is a way of showing off; when showing off, gas might as
>well cost $39.0 a gallon.

Granpa at a light I seriously doubt is showing off. It's the way they
drive there. (Might have something to do with the $1000s of lessons
they must take before even being allowed to take a driving test. (at
least in the countries I was in) They actually learn how to drive a
car, rather than just give dim bulb there a key, start the car, put
it in gear, start, stop, shut off the engine, you pass test they get
here.

I'm willing to bet that certain segments of the population drive the
exact same mileage, and that there are segments of the us population
that drive more. (but not many, since the "average" mileage per year
is some where between 10k and 12k.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,alt.autos.antique
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: Antique plates & Insurance, was...Re: Get rid of old cars...
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:14:01 GMT

In article <1b49j1INNdoa@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:
>>The cops would have a tough time making such a ticket stick (unless they
>>have observed the car repeatedly over many days).  When I drive my
>>TR-3 I don't carry any "proof of a valid destination" so anything I
>>tell the cop would have to either be accepted as valid or, if the
>>cop was a hard ass and gave me a ticket anyway, that would give me
>>plenty of time to establish a valid destination that should satisfy
>>any judge, again assuming th car has not been observed being truly
>>used on a daily basis.
>
>This is really not necessary.  It is the state's duty to prove you DIDN'T have
>a valid destination...

You're absolutely correct.  It's just an easier process to get the ticket
tossed out if you have your own proof that you did indeed have a valid
destination.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,alt.autos.antique
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:44:13 GMT

In article <92284.152848MWA102@psuvm.psu.edu> MWA102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>      From what I got out of Perot's tv spot Friday night, He wanted to raise
> gas taxes to support construction and maintenance of transportation systems.
> Despite the fact that a gas tax will definitely hurt the working poor, the
> vast interstate highways are reaching the end of their design life.

Have you ever read the signs that are posted on gas pumps regarding the taxes
that are incurred?  I'm not sure of the exact amount, but if you add up all
the taxes, it is much more than the standard 6-8%.  Also, compare the prices
of gas just a few years ago.  The prices have risen about 50%.  Thus, a $.50
increase would not be that much, only about 30-35%.  Furthermore, have you
ever compared the prices of gas in the 40's and 50's.  Sure you hear your 
parents and grandparents say that they only paid $.25 a gallon for gas, but
if you factor in inflation, the price of gas 40 years ago is much higher
than it is today.  In fact, it has been said (I don't have the source to
cite it) that gas today, or at least a couple of years ago, factoring in
inflation, is the cheapest it's ever been.
Although a $.50 gas tax is quite high, it is not too unreasonable.  Look at
Europe, they pay about $4.00 - $5.00 per gallon.
--
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From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Antique plates & Insurance, was...Re: Get rid of old cars...
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:47:45 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

>The cops would have a tough time making such a ticket stick (unless they
>have observed the car repeatedly over many days).  When I drive my
>TR-3 I don't carry any "proof of a valid destination" so anything I
>tell the cop would have to either be accepted as valid or, if the
>cop was a hard ass and gave me a ticket anyway, that would give me
>plenty of time to establish a valid destination that should satisfy
>any judge, again assuming th car has not been observed being truly
>used on a daily basis.

This is really not necessary.  It is the state's duty to prove you DIDN'T have
a valid destination...
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
	<1as6seINNbfr@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> <1992Oct9.062219.24247@ncsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.062219.24247@ncsu.edu> bcrulifs@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:

[bike flame and counter flame deleted]

>Get a life.  Stop knocking the most efficient mode of transportation
>devised by man.

>BC Rulifson

Most efficient?  Riiight...in terms of what?  Certainly not time efficient.

Biking is nice for those who can...but don't let your own prejudices
get carried away.

Nigel Tzeng
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:37:29 GMT

In <BvpDHL.A1G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:


>In article <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>>
>>In case you missed this morning's Wall Street Journal, Henry Ross Pee-rot
>>wants to have a Federal gasoline tax of 50 cents a gallon.
>>
>>Just thought you might like to be aware of this.

>And it's a darned good idea, too. Even with 50 more cents/gallon of tax,
>we'd still have the cheapest gasoline in the world, AND we might be able
>to begin working on rebuilding our country's crumbling infrastructure.

Amen to the infrastructure, but stop and think about Perot's plan.
In the current economy, raising taxes across the board would be
just what it takes to turn this recession into a full scale
depression a la 1930s. How about dumping space stations and
star wars? Don't be fooled by the economists talking about
consumer confidence, I am not lacking in confidence, just
money :-(. Thanks, Ross but I think I'll go with Bill and Al.

Bob.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: BKD@USLVM.USL.EDU (Brian K. Dore')
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:57:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com>
jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
 
>In case you missed this morning's Wall Street Journal, Henry Ross Pee-rot
>wants to have a Federal gasoline tax of 50 cents a gallon.
>
 
I don't mind paying an extra 50 cents a gallon tomorrow as long as every
penny goes twoards road construction and maintainance.  Better roads would
probably save me a good chunk of that.  Especially here in Louisiana where
bad roads bend rims, suspension parts, and sheet metal.  (Drive a sports
car on I-10 west out of Baton Rouge sometime and you'll see what I mean.)
Not to mention the reduced risk of accidents that come with better roads
and bridges...
 
I don't really think Perot is the best candidate for president, but I
hope that somebody is listening to what he is saying.
 
Brian
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:28:48 EDT
From: <MWA102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
 <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com> <25996@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
 <1992Oct6.141459.5447@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> <Bvt1xn.CBq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
 <BvtEAv.4ut@ssesco.com>

     From what I got out of Perot's tv spot Friday night, He wanted to raise
gas taxes to support construction and maintenance of transportation systems.
Despite the fact that a gas tax will definitely hurt the working poor, the vast
interstate highways are reaching the end of their design life.
     With increasing auto traffic, these old roads must be maintained or
upgraded, and new roads should be built.  The only other option is mass transit
which, to me, does not seem feasible for a country with a large rural
population.  With either improved roadways or developing mass transit systems,
a large amount of $$$ is needed!  How else should one raise transportation $$$
than by taxing those who use the systems?

Mark
mwa102@psuvm.psu.edu
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:18:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <23593@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:
>In article <22862@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
>>...
>>Although a $.50 gas tax is quite high, it is not too unreasonable.  Look at
>>Europe, they pay about $4.00 - $5.00 per gallon.
>
>If you want to look at Europe, then take a look at the whole picture, not
>just the prices. There are differences, besides Perot just does not make
>sense when he wants to raise taxes since he says that the government is
>already wasting money or does he want the government to have even more
>money to waste?
>
>						 Kemasa.

also, wh cares what anyone else pays in the world.  that has nothing to do
with what we should pay. how about if beef in russia costs 5 times what we pay...
you want a tax on beef here then...wake up buddy.
kemasa has a good point about wasting money.  that is what the government does
already...why give them more.  are you aware that even current taxes collected
on gas are not all being used to repair roads etc and that our gov. plays 
games with how those funds are distributed...for instance, i live in lafayette
indiana...and our local government decided that everyone in the country should
pay for us to relocate our railroad tracks in town and build us new bridges.
now i am going to enjoy zooming around/over/under the trains and drive on
new bridges and you got to pay for it and that is not right.  why should the
rest of the country pay around 50-80million(project is still on-going and 
cost estimates rise every year) just for my city drivers not to have to wait
5 minutes for a train at a crossing????????
actually the construction delays have been worse than any train i ever waited
for.  anyway...thanks all you taxpayers for buying this for my city via our
pork-barrell representitives.  now maybe you will see why we need term limits
since you can bet our reps will be re-elected since this has been good for 
business here.
From: pwu@doctor-pepper.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Expired inspection sticker
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:49:58 GMT
In-reply-to: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU's message of 14 Oct 92 15:07:00 GMT


    In article <1992Oct13.122047.16757@dg-rtp.dg.com> lenkeit@firebird.rtp.dg.com (Matt Lenkeit) writes:
    >If I am driving someone else's pickup truck (in NC)
    >and the inspection sticker is expired, am I responsible
    >for the ticket? It has my name on it, but his vehicle.
    >
    >Thanks!
    >
    >-Matt
    
    Well, In Massachusetts (just an example.... doesn't have to make sense, you 
    know), such a fault would lie evenly between the owner, the operator, and
    the person in charge. This `person in charge' is mentioned over and over in
    Mass. automotive laws, but I haven't got the slightest clue who it is, and
    there are no explicit references in the driver's manual.... (*sigh*)
    
    Well good luck on you appeal
    (I would anyway)
    
    Damon
    
    damong@wpi.wpi.edu

Talking about driving regulations in MA!  The ticket either goes to the driver
or the owner at the police's choice.  But I do not know how the merit board
will record it for the purpose of determining insurrance surcharges.

Anyone knows how to get a car inspected in MA after the inspection sticker
expired?

I was told that the only lawful way is (1) have the car towed to an inspection
station, (2) purchase a "rejected" sticker, (3) drive the car around with the
"rejected" sticker to warm it up, (4) drive back to the inspection station to
complete the inspection.

I got a ticket for expired sticker on the way to an inspection station.  Does
anyone know how to handle this kind of ticket?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Re: Does This Law Make Sense
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:57:45 GMT

In <Bw0HtJ.FK@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:

>We have a slight variation of that law.  The gun must be in plain view
>(unloaded) from the outside of the car.  That's why gunracks are so
>popular.  People would throw them behind the seats otherwise.  If you
>don't have a gunrack, you have to throw the gun on your dash.

Great.  Who's "we"?  Where are you?  "ssesco.com" doesn't leap to everyone's
mind as a particular jurisdiction.

(Not that it's not interesting info, but we need a little context.)

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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Opinions wanted: SUV's
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:35:54 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

I'm thinking of getting either a Nissan Pathfinder or a Mazda Navajo/Ford
Explorer. Would be interested in hearing from anyone who owns one of
these. What do you like? What kind of problems have you had? Would you
buy another one?

Thanks!

Dave


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