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From: dorje@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Berkowitz)
Subject: Re: Can he do this?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:14:05 GMT

In <16dpgbINNksi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:

>The following situation is, of course, hypothetical.  Let's say you are hired
>as a teller in a bank, with the understanding that you will continue to look
>for a better job.  You don't find anything too soon, and relatively quickly
>are promoted to new accounts.  Later, you piss off the person who hired you,
>not purposely of course, but nevertheless.  Anyway, at your next performance
>review, he tells you that he has no problems with your performance, agrees
>that they are not using you to your potential (You are one of very few here
>with a college degree), but will not promote again as long as you continue
>to look for work elsewhere (This is a small town, practically everyone knows
>everything you do).  Is there anything you can do about this?

>-- 
>.   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .  .
>Mark Griffin, Sys Admin, Fort Hays State University      |It is always better to
>Internet:mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu Bitnet:mgriffin@ksuvm |do, than be done to.
>.   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .  .

with the conditions outlined above, i'd have to say that the employer's
stance seems fairly reasonable.  after all, the employee in this scenario
has demonstrated no commitment to the company from day one.  yes, the
person has a college degree - fine.  if the company has no basis to believe
that the employee will be around for a while, why bother promoting him or
her?  to really understand the employment process, you have to look at it
from the employer's perspective.  and it's good business for the employer
to hire someone who is going to be not only *qualified for* but *satisfied
in* the position for a reasonable period of time.  turnover costs money.

what to do?  the employee has already gained some acknowledgement that
she/he is overqualified for the current position and has a lot to offer.
build on that.  do some legwork to demonstrate your commitment to the
company's goals by writing up a proposal - or a steady stream of them -
stating how you think operations/service/whatever can be improved and what
part you'd like to take in changing them.  in essence, despite the general
recognition that you are underutilized, nothing may improve until you say
"here's how to utilize me and this is what it's going to do for you".
demonstrate that you want more challenge and are ready to take it on.  by
putting it all in writing you have proof of your ambition right there in
your personnel file, and something definite to follow up on at a later
point if nothing's changed.

--shelby

_________________________________________________________________
Michelle Berkowitz
Northwestern University
shelbaroo@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pedro@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Looking for headhunter
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:47:56 EDT

This is posted for a friend of a friend! Please e-mail directly
to: thakar@payne.mps.ohio-state.edu

If anyone knows the name of a good(?!) head-hunter (preferably
east-coast) specializing in technical software dev. jobs in a
DEC VAX/VMS environment, please send e-mail to the above address.
Thanks.
From: tvh@sandman.EBay.Sun.COM (Terry Haynes (Nite Knight))
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacatio
Date: 14 Aug 1992 15:32:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tvh@sandman.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.ebay.sun.com


>
>I agree with the need for longer vacations.  My company (I'm a contractor)
>doesn't normally give vacation time until the first year of employment is
>complete.  But with negotiation prior to employment, I was able to obtain
>vacation and sick leave prior to accruing (sp?) it.  You can gain just about
>anything by negotiating for it.
>
>I think one of the reasons people use their sick leave for non-sick purposes is
>because people in this country just don't get enough vacation time.  Of course,
>there will be those who will argue that even if lots of vacation time were
>granted, there would be people who use sick leave for vacation time. <sigh>
>

I saw an excelent solution to all of this.

At one hospital where I applied the policy was like comp_time
except all days were accumulated together and could be used
as you wish with prior notice being required for more than 3 days off  
at one time.

If you think about the amount of time that you can take including
vacation and sick. I believe that most people have close to 5 weeks 
per year that they can take off.

The company wins in this case as they can offer comp_time for
over time and can cash out accumilate comp_tiem after a certain limit
was reached.

At this hospital it seemed to be a win_win situation as far as I could see.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Achievement based resumes 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:52:29 +0000


In article <BsuM7n.D68@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ezellj@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
> 
> >broadcast in the London area only). Apparently, a man resigned from his job
> >as an hospital administrator because he had claimed to be an MD but wasn't!
> >He had sustained the sham for over 10 years. A representative of his
> >employers appeared on TV saying that his CV appeared to be in order and
> >that "he had passed a rigourous interview" where in he had apparently given
> >a very good account of himself.
> 
> Wow!  This is frightening.  Were his references checked?  I find it a
> little suprising how seldom references seem to be checked.

The TV report made no mention of whether his references had been verified
or not. The story is now a little vague but I seem to remember that the
fact he was working in another hospital was seen to be sufficient "proof"
of his qualifications. I can, perhaps, forgive the third hospital for
employing him because one suspects that any references that he provided
were solely from the second one; what is unforgivable is that the first
medical institution should have employed him as a doctor without verifying
that his medical degree was real. But then again, no has ever wanted to SEE
my Master's degree (honest I do have one---from Brunel Univeristy); nor
have I requested to see anyone elses degree either from any univerity or
college.

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Trevor Jenkins                                   Radio: G6AJG
134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk
phone: +44 (0)923 776436
From: prg4752@hertz.njit.edu (Padmanabha R. Guddeti)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: need info. on headhunters/recruiters in NJ,NY and Phil.
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:39:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: prg4752@hertz.njit.edu

Hi 

	will anybody can mail me adresses of recruiters in 

	New york , New jersey , Philadelphia and Washington 

	areas .

	Thanks in advance.

padmanabha.
 
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Newark  NJ07104				| TEL# (201) 483-1186
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From: ZVV@companion.khabarovsk.su (ZABELIN VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH)
Subject: Investitions for Russian Far East
Reply-To: ZVV@companion.khabarovsk.su
Organization: Small Venture Companion
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:06:32 +1200


The "COMPANION" firm invites investors to take part in building ventures on
the basis of the shared property possesion. We have at least two actual
proposal at the moment. They are as follows:

  - Dwelling area including all needed for normal living conditions
    ( stores, hotel, cinema ) in Khabarovsk;
  - City public center in the downtown of Khabarovsk which involves
    hotel, restaurant, a hospital providing with mud therapy.
  - Aviation techiques, aircrafts and helicopters manufacturing

We also offer you to co-operate in the domain of investition projects
concerning foundation of industrial ventures. We also would be glad
to know your opinion on the possibility of foundation of joint venture
for dealing with investitions.

We are looking forward to co-operation. Your opinions and ideas are
appreciated.

        Director Igor Orinov

        'COMPANION'
        18,Pushkin street,
        Khabarovsk, 680030, Russia

        Phone:   (4210) 393463
        E-mail:  zvv@companion.khabarovsk.su
From: barr@silver.NNTP (J. Hunter Barr)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: One more try-- Additional info on C Programmers wanted
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:57:49 GMT
Distribution: misc
Organization: /usr/guests/barr/.organization

Many thanks to all those who pointed out my omission-- the location of
the work.  Thanks too for the smiles at my Freudian slip :-).

Thanks to everyone for your patience; I have very limited access to
usenet news, and I post so rarely that it takes a few tries.

A consulting and solutions enabler firm that helps organizations to
design, build, and and implement networked information systems has two
positions open for C Programmers.  Candidates must have the following:

    Strong C programming skills (3-6 yrs.)

    Familiarity with Microsoft SQL server

    OS2 a plus

    LU6.2 (for *one* position only)

Additional openings for M204 User Language Programmers with file
systems management, PC Networks, or database management.

These jobs are in the Dallas/Fort worth area, and in the St. Louis
area.  There may be a similar opening in the Washington D.C. area
(requiring clearance, of course).


Call (617) 661-9790 x573
or email BARR@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU
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                                ______
                                HUNTER
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dorje@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Berkowitz)
Subject: Re: Temporary agencies
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:34:05 GMT

In <Aug.13.19.37.55.1992.29778@andromeda.rutgers.edu> giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:

>Excuse me if this has already been posted but -- I recently
>found out that alot of people have been having the same trouble as me, I was unemployed and found it hard to find a job and all there was aree jiobs through thes agencies, later I found out I was getting paid half of what the perms wre getting doing the same job and no benefits, why does th ergovt send
>people to places like thi sinstead of giving real jobs
>has anyone else had experince with these agencies?

temping is not a good deal for everyone, but it has its place in the job
market -- it's a good source of flexibility and income (survival, spending
money, or whatever) for actors in between auditions, students, mothers with
school-age children, older workers, and, of course, people in between
regular jobs.  pay for the worker *is* generally lower than that for a
comparable permanent position, that just goes with the territory.  however,
if you become somewhat of a "professional temp" -- there are lots of people
who just like the variety and the no-strings-attached job situations --
then the temporary agency will sometimes have benefits that you can
purchase.

The protection for temporaries is that (under federal law) after 1000 hours the employer must
treat the employee as a regular employee w/r/t pay, benefits, sick and
vacation leave, etc.  this doesn't affect people who work through agencies
as much, because they are considered employees of the agency and not the
client company.  basically it's designed to prevent companies from
classifiying a more or less permanent, on-going employee as "temporary"
just to avoid the expense of compensation, benefits, unemployment
compensation, etcetera as well as
compliance with other federal regulations.  some
companies used to actually lay off employees and then have them 
come back as temporaries just to avoid the expense.  unfortunately, many of
these people needed the work badly and got themselves a raw deal.

--shelby

shelbaroo@nwu.edu
From: mstephens.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: headhunters needed, west coast
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:39:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: nasa/gsfc

I would like to relocate to the west coast and leave the east behind me.  My 
first choice would be Portland, Oregon.  The second would be Seattle, 
Washington.  I would consider San Francisco and the Bay Area but not much 
further south in California.  

I have been in the computer field for more than 12 years.  My current position 
is project manager of a "group ware" distributed system designed to capture, 
manipulate and make available information to end users who are themselves 
designing and managing a very large, five year hardware/software 
development effort.  My goal is to find similar (or different!) work with a 
small group of skilled, hardworking, talented folk who also have an easy 
going and supportive attitude.  The "culture" at work is very important.  

Although one of my main skills is understanding the requirements of future 
customers, I have no problems with "getting my hands dirty" and love to 
learn new environments, languages and systems.  I am also a fan of Apple
Macintoshes and at the least require one on my desk.   

If interested, please contact me via email.   


mark stephens
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 07:48:59 CDT
From: <U12181@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Headhunter Needed



I would like to contact with headhunters or employment
services specialized in engineering field at any area in U.S.


Thanks in advance.


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From: emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:39:18 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Aug14.172502.183@europa.lonestar.org> <Bt4pp3.Dq@apollo.hp.com>
<1992Aug17.115039.8718@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
Reply-To: emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug17.115039.8718@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser) writes:
>
>Anyway, I think the average American wouldn't know what to do with more
>vacation time.  My own father was like this.  Most have become accustomed
>to 2 weeks, and accept it without thinking twice.  

        Count me out of this:  I do think twice!  I think it's
        unfair...and I agree that time at work doesn't necessarily
        correlate with productivity at work.


>Some people make their
>entire life revolve around their job, and would probably rather be there
>most of the time anyway.  Others view their job as a way to make money,
>and would rather be doing other things, like travelling.  These are
>probably the people who would want more vacation.

        And don't forget the people who like to work, but who also
        realize-ah, I'm gonna catch it for this one, that's for
        sure- that vacation is ALSO often a learning period, and
        who like time away so that they can learn OTHER things
        than those required at work.  Wouldn't it be nice if we
        all could take an extra week off to just read all of 
        those books we have wanted to read, or learn to sail, 
        or visit Nepal?

        I like work.  But I like life, too.

        EM
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re:  How to get a Job...
Date: 14 Aug 1992 06:40:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Information about the Human Resources Information Network was posted
several days in this forum but when I received the post it was
garbled.  Would the poster please email me with background info on
HRIN.  Thanks...

----- Forwarded message # 1:

Subject: How to get a job.
Summary: Put your resume on-line with a reputable database provider.
Keywords: resume database


Human Resources Information Network is a collection of databases
maintained by Bureau of National Affairs, Inc.  Among the many
services provided by HRIN are the Resumes-On-Computer database (ROC),
the College Recruitment Database (CRD), as well as similar databases
for minorities and veterans.

----- End of forwarded messages

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From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: litigation
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:16:22 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <1992Aug15.184136.29967@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mas6d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU writes:
>I have a friend who is a litigator.  He is interested in changing careers, i.e.
>finding a career other than being an attorney.  
>
>Do you have any suggestions of careers where he could use the skills he has 
>learned as an attorney?

actor, used-car salesman, con man
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
From: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Rajiv Arora)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What to wear as a new female professor?
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:42:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <oneil.713506837@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>In article <l85cqhINN8o0@aludra.usc.edu> lilychen@usc.edu (Lily Cheng) writes:
>>
>>What do you think a young female professor should wear in the class 
>>for her first semester?
>
>The reason that I (and others) have suggested that she wear a suit, at
>least to start out with, is because she is both female /AND/ young.  
>I have no doubt, based upon my own experience, that a suit will give
>her more authority.  At least the students will respect her more.  
>

I couldn't agree more. When I started teaching, the respect I received from my
students seemed to be directly proportional to the formality of my dress. I
found however that by the end of the semester I could "slack off," as it were!
8-)

The bottom line with academics is that you can wear whatever you want, but for
a young woman professor, dressing well improves her credibility tremendously.
My wife started teaching last year and she was teaching MBA courses with older
(40s and 50s) men as students. She is 29. She said that being dressed really
sharply gave her the confidence to face up to just about anyone.

That said, I must point out that you don't have to wear boring ol' grey or navy
suits. Just so long as you look sharp, though for logistic reasons you may want
to avoid cocktail dresses and miniskirts. If you're looking for places to shop,
Talbot's and Joseph Banks are good bets along with a zillion other places, I'm
sure.

The sad truth is that to be a successful professor, you have to command
respect. Older men have it easier because students are predisposed to respect
them. Young women (especially foreigners) have just the opposite effect. Until
students change, dressing well is the best way to level the playing field.

Good luck!

-- 
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From: ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Ted Powell)
Subject: Re: putting irrelevant experiences on resumes
Organization: Entropy Limited, Vancouver Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:02:25 GMT

In article <rebel.714296099@deathstar> rebel@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Piou) writes:
>...
>	I've worked in pizza places, served food, etc. Should I put
>this stuff down on my resume, to explain what would otherwise look like
>times when I didn't have a job? Or will potential employers read it and
>think "Why's he wasting my time with this?" ...

How about just renaming the "Employment History" (or whatever) section of
your resume to "Computing-related Employment History", and only including
the relevant information? If queried, you can say you simply omitted the
irrelevant material for reasons of brevity.

-- 
ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca   {ubc-cs,uunet}!van-bc!eslvcr!ted   (Ted Powell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:06:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug12.145254.25386@osf.org> bhaim@osf.org (Bruce Haimowitz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.023342.7625@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>
>> The real median wage has been falling steadily in
>> the United States for the last 20 years or so.  This has many
>> effects, one of them being that Americans are increasingly
>> working harder and longer than they used to in an attempt to
>> keep up their standard of living.  And there is little pressure
>> on employers to offer longer vacations when so many people
>> are unemployed.  Europe, while it is not devoid of problems,
>> seems to be faring better that the United States in this
>> area.
>
>I think an additional factor to consider is: European unions
>are strong and are constantly fighting for additional
>vacation time for their members.  Whereas in the U.S.,
>unions are relatively weak and their membership is an ever
>declining percentage of the workforce.  U.S. employees
>have no collective bargaining power to fight for longer vacations.


   While I hate to be a trouble-maker (right, Peter, whatever you say)
   I just have to ask:  why is vacation time an issue?  TANSTAAFL, and
   all that --  SOMEONE has to pay for that European employee's wages
   when he's partying on the coast of Spain or fishing in some lake
   in Sweden or painting his house in a suburb of Munich.  More
   vacation time translates directly into higher labor costs or less
   productivity.  Look at Europe's cost-of-living sometime or their
   share of the world market in any of the a number of major in-
   dustrial sectors.   Personally I'd rather have fewer vacation days 
   and a stronger economy or more profitable company, than lots of
   vacation time and watch my nation's economy or my company's 
   fade to harder-working competitors.


---peter


   

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