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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Help With Falcon 3/Sound
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:17:10 -0600

 MD> From: GG.MPD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michael Durket)
 MD> Path: tghost!uuneo!sugar!menudo.uh.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-
 MD> state.edu!wupost!emory!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!stan
 MD> ord.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!not-for-mail
 MD> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
 MD> Organization: Stanford University
     
 MD> I've a minor problem with two different games which, curiously,
 MD> exhibit the same symptoms under OS/2 - Falcon III and Joe 
 MD> Montana Football.
     
 MD> I've got a SoundBlaster installed. It works fine in general with
 MD> these games, except that, periodically, there is a growling 
 MD> noise that comes from the games. In Falcon III, I'm guessing 
 MD> that this is probably radio messages, and in Joe Montana 
 MD> Football, maybe speech really slowed down? All other sounds 
 MD> work ok. 

 MD> Can anyone tell me what's going on here, and perhaps what DOS
 MD> setting will fix this? (I'm running the games in DOS full screen
 MD> mode. I did try setting HW_TIMER to ON in Joe Montana Football
 MD> but that really made OS/2 very unhappy - WPS slowed down and it
 MD> was tough to kill the program).
     
 MD> Thanks for any assistance.
     

Don't have either of the games. BUT I do have experience
with OTHER games with digitized voice effects with the
Soundblaster and OS/2.

  Basically. Older games just won't work. Here are a few
that DO work with digitized voice effects. They All have
one characteristic in commen.

REX Nebular
F15 III
Amazons

Each of these late model games at install provide you with
a menu choice of the PORT address, and IRQ your Soundblaster
is installed with.

It would appear that this can not be done automajically. So
the game designer gods have had to modify their methods.

Joy. Joy Joy.

From what I've heard there is nothing you can do for the
digitized voice effects in FALCON. Other than to disable them.

Bottom line. Digitized  voice effects work great with Soundblaster
and OS/2 as long as the software designers don't assume all those
Soundcards are all sitting on the same port,IRQ addresses!

Hardware here. 486-33 /8meg/Intel 400/Trident 8900C/Soundblaster/170meg
                ConnerIDE/ running OS/2 Ga with the Xr6055 SP and
                Joels 800x600x16 generic SVGA vid drivers.
                  Whew. IBM Compatable? eh? whats that?



Hugh Craig - KG5OY - AKA

... Windows?  Homey don't play that!
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From: greenidd@CS.ColoState.EDU (danielle greenidge)
Subject: Re: CMS Stuff...
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:24:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <C03GML.LyG@world.std.com> jpole@world.std.com (Jamie C Pole) writes:
>  CMS products are garbage.  I'm in the middle of an extensive network
>upgrade for a client that was unlucky enough to have used CMS SCSI
>controllers and disk susbystems.  They ALL had to be replaced in order to
>make the system functional.  CMS stuff is absolute trash...
>						Jamie
>
>
Which CMS, Jamie? and which products?
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: sio.sys at 2400 bps. Should I bother?
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:21:13 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1hjgeoINN1ol@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth) writes:
>The subject summarizes it: is there any performance gain from using
>the sio.sys driver at a low speed? 

For DOS communications programs, perhaps.

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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: ADAPTEC
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:12:36 GMT

In <T6s8VB1w165w@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca> system@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Gordon Soukoreff) writes:

>Does anyone have the 1410 drivers for the 1542 SCSI ?

Contact Adaptec.  This is commercial software.  I'm also not sure why
you're asking for this in an OS2 group -- since the drivers aren't
necessary (so far as I know) under OS/2 because support is built into
the OS.

ASW-1410 is the MS-DOS drivers.

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From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Backmaster demo problems
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:40:49 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Has anyone had a problem with the Backmaster demo? I get an error message
that says, "No files selected to backup" when in fact i have entire directories
selected. 
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From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Subject: Re: Designer 3.1 for OS/2 is Shipping!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:42:37 GMT

olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund) writes:

>It is good to read that Designer 3.1 for OS/2 is finally shipping.
>Micrografx makes some nice programs, but they are among the worst when
>it comes to spreading desinformation about availability. I was told by
>some Mx prepresentatives in the first half of november that Designer
>3.1 was shipping, but then it turned out that they had been
>misinformed by Mx.

The problem with their OS/2 programs is that it uses their mirrors.  This is
fine for a quick port, but if they don't plan on doing further development
then it is no good.

Todd

>Back in 1988 or 1989, I bought Designer 2.x for Windows (or maybe it
>was 1.x). Inside the box was a note saying that they also had an OS/2
>version available, and that one should send in the form to get it. I
>sent in the form, but did not hear anything from Mx. And it turned out
>that this program did not exist. (A year later, they did put aout an
>OS/2 version, whcich was a very bad port of 2.x Windows version - it
>was almost like an early beta version sold for full price.)

>If you take a look at Micrografx 1990 catalog, you will find that they
>mentions OS/2 versions of 3 of their programs as if they are available
>(Graph Plus, the forerunner of Charisma, Draw Plus - forerunner of
>Windows Draw and PM Draw, and Designer). But these OS/2 versions have
>never existed.

>I like Micrografx programs, but not their desinformation.

>Olav Torvund
>University of Oslo
>Norway
>Olavt@jus.uio.no
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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: FDFORMAT/FDREAD for OS/2
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:08:39 GMT

morro@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
: Hello Everyone,
: 
:    Has anyone come across an OS/2 2.0 version of Christopher Hochstatter
: excellent par of programs FDFORMAT/FDREAD ?  These programs enable one to
: format floppy diskettes to higher capacity (DS/DD to 830 K for example !)
: on regular 1.2 M and 1.44 M drives.  The latest version that I've seen is
: 1.8 however, FDREAD does appear to run in any way shape or form under OS/2.
: I've tried both full screen and windowed versions of both DOS and OS/2 with
: the same result - some gibrish scrolling across the screen and not much
: else.  There are no error messages or anything, but I still can't read
: the FDFORMATed diskettes.  I am a bit desperate as I have a lot of these
: 830 K and 1.77 M floppies but because I went to OS/2 and HPFS only system
: I have no easy way of reading these.  If anyone has a knowledge of newer
: version of these programs or perhaps knows how to reach Mr. Hochstatter
: himself (I would be willing to work on porting these to OS/2, if necessary),
: I would very much appreciate hearing about it.  Thanks in advance for
: any and all help.
: 
: Best Regards to All,
: John Duchowski

You don't actually need to run fdread to read the disks - most hardware 
configurations will read/write them. Formatting seems to be a different 
matter - my hardware reads/writes to them, and will even format one 3.5 
to 1.72 Meg. BUT if I try to format after that, the program seems to think I
have a 720 K drive ! Yowzers.


-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
From: eblinder@panix.com (Eva Blinder)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Questions on 14.4 modems, ATI Ultras and OS/2
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:59:33 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Dec28.070855.18758@midway.uchicago.edu> silveanu@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Adrian Silveanu) writes:

>Hello, I have a problem will my BOCA 14.4 Modem and PMCOMM 2.01.
>The problem is that when I do downloading, it bogs down my system
>and it slows down to about 330 cps when it can do over 1200cps.
>Is there anyway to get the both speeds back up? A form of buffering?

What kind of CPU are you using? When I first installed a 14.4 modem on my
old 20MHz 386, it bogged down the system something awful. But my new
system, a 486/66, doesn't even notice. I think a slower CPU just gets
overwhelmed.

I've also heard that you can speed things up considerably by installing a
16550 UART if your system supports it, but I don't have any direct
experience with that.

eblinder@panix.com
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From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse)
Subject: FaceLift for WordPerfect: 1.5 steps forward, 2.0 steps back
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:33:56 GMT


FaceLift for WordPerfect, version 1.5, runs when (properly) installed
in a DOS session under OS/2. 

Version 2.0 is "faster" has more features, fonts, etc. But I cannot
get it to run at all, even using the same headstanding that worked for
1.5. Has anyone got it to go?   Otherwise, I'm sending it back to Bitstream
(16-bit stream :).

Damn these vendors that won't even test their stuff on an OS/2 system.
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From: gaw2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gang Wu)
Subject: TRI32NEW : SEAMLESS WINDOW WITH ATI : HOW?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:33:50 GMT

I just downloaded the tri32new.zip driver from hobbes and tried to make it
work with my ATI Wonder + card with 1mg.The question is, I have my HD 
formatted as HPFS, how can I boot from DOS and creat the PMI file? 
I tried it anyway without booting from DOS and everything seems working
fine except the screen crashes everytime I try to switch between 
OS2 Desktop and a Win-OS2 session, and the Windows programs does not run
in seamless mode. Can someone tell me what I did wrong? Thanks,

Gang
gaw2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: TE/2 @ 14400 Baud??
Organization: Raytheon Company, Equipment Division
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.165911.28429@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Could somebody please let me know how to get 14400 using TE/2,
>such as CONFIG.SYS settings and such. My version does not allow
>14400 baud as a choice.

You must have an old version.  The one I just picked up goes up
to either 57600 or 115200, I forget which.


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From: jpole@world.std.com (Jamie C Pole)
Subject: CMS Stuff...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:47:08 GMT

  CMS products are garbage.  I'm in the middle of an extensive network
upgrade for a client that was unlucky enough to have used CMS SCSI
controllers and disk susbystems.  They ALL had to be replaced in order to
make the system functional.  CMS stuff is absolute trash...





						Jamie
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: OS/2: leave it running?
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:19:43 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BUHR.92Dec18102806@ccu.umanitoba.ca> buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr) writes:
>Many people claim that the heat-cool cycle of powering a computer on
>and off is much harder on the "solid-state" components than leaving it
>on all the time is on the hard drive.

But be sure you have a full-size case.  Many of the "mini-tower" or
"baby-AT" cases don't have adequate ventillation and will fry
themselves if left on for extended periods.  We had a Novell Netware
server die (hard drive siezed - the heads spot-welded to the
platters!) this way after being left on for 8 months.  We added a
second cooling fan to the case to prevent this happening in the future.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: WordPerfect to Postscript?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:46:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BzDrLH.n1M@nic.umass.edu> <C04M5u.Jzw@sci.kun.nl>

>I've produced a lot of PostScript this way, and I can tell you, WordPerfect
>generates the worst Postscript I've ever seen. It doesn't conform to the

I've seen WP generate reams of PS code because it wanted to tell the
printer where to put *EACH LETTER* on the page. The output looked
fine, I guess, but no better than letting PS itself do this type
of formatting. That's what PS is for, isn't it?

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: any good database app development products??
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:29:15 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <laird.725599462@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
>I need to write some database apps that are much more complex than
>IBM's Query Manager can handle.  Originally I purchased Smalltalk
>with the DB interface to do the job, but I don't feel comfortable
>leaving such an app with people who don't know _any_ "real" programming.
>So...I was looking through PC Mag and saw an ad for Computer Associates'
>dBFast.  Looks like the kind of product I'm looking for: dialog boxes,
>radio buttons, bitmaps, ...
>Is there anything like this for OS/2?  How about one that also handles
>sound, too?

Computer Associates is porting its entire suite to OS/2 2.0 -- you
might contact them to ask when dbFast will be ready, if that's the
product you're after.

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From: karu@nevada.edu (NARANAPITI KARUNARATNE)
Subject: Re: Settings for Boca 14.4 Please
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:24:49 GMT

In article <Bztty4.66M@news.iastate.edu> TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller) writes:
>     I've decided to try TE/2, but I don't see my modem listed as
>one of the 'supported' modems (their's no set-up file for it).  I
>was wondering if anybody out there knows what the file is supposed
>to look like.  My modem is a Bocamodem 14.4.  Thanks
>
>Timothy Miller
>

I use the following settings in my MODEM.INC file and it works great. I hope
that this would work for you too.

"; Hayes V-Series 9600 V.42
;
; ONE TIME MODEM SETUP:  The first time you run TE/2, upon entering the
; program, type the following lines and press ENTER after each.  Then
; exit and restart TE/2.
;
;       ATE1Q0M1X4V1S11=60
;       AT&C1&D2&G0&J0&K3&L0&P0
;       AT&Q5AT\N3AT\E1S36=5S46=138S48=7W1&W
;

Baud          57600
Parity        N
WordLen       8
StopBits      1

XonXoff       BOTH
CtsR5S95=47^M
ModemDialStrg ATDT
ModemDialSufx ^M
ModemHangStrg ;
DTRHangup     TRUE
Connect       CONNECT,57600
;Connect  CONNECT_1200,1200
;Connect  CONNECT_2400,2400
;Connect  CONNECT_9600/ARQ,9600
;Connect         CONNECT_14400/ARQ,14400
;Connect         CONNECT_38400/ARQ,38400
;Connect         CONNECT_57600/ARQ,57600

NoConnect     NO_DIALTONE
NoConnect     NO_CARRIER
NoConnect     BUSY
NoConnect     VOICE

I could not get it to work with S95=44 as suggested in the 
instructions that came with the modem. S95=47 works. However,
please do not ask me why because I do not know. S95 values are
not documented in the docs and when I called Boca tech people 
would not explain either. 

Karu.
"
From: czmax@cats.ucsc.edu (Max C. Pritikin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: *FAST* GIF viewer for OS/2 PM available on Hobbes
Date: 25 Dec 1992 05:27:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


I am impressed (800x600x256 ET400 driver -- i'd be in 1024 but
my monitor would make me blind).

One comment (note i've only viewed one file and haven't had a
chance to try any boken files on it or anything):

it doesn't handle the redraw from menu's or its own dialog 
boxes correctly.  The area to be redrawn appears as a mishmash
of colors -- not random but like the palette was way off for the
moment.

redraws from other windows don't have the same affect.

	-max     
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: FaceLift for WordPerfect: 1.5 steps forward, 2.0 steps back
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:22:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.043356.5982@netcom.com> jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:
>FaceLift for WordPerfect, version 1.5, runs when (properly) installed
>in a DOS session under OS/2. 
>
>Version 2.0 is "faster" has more features, fonts, etc. But I cannot
>get it to run at all, even using the same headstanding that worked for
>1.5. Has anyone got it to go?   Otherwise, I'm sending it back to Bitstream
>(16-bit stream :).
>
>Damn these vendors that won't even test their stuff on an OS/2 system.

	Must be something about WP extender products.  I can't get 
	MoreFonts 3.0 to run (it will load and run sometimes, but 
	no printouts--other times it brings down the whole system with 
	a spectacular lightshow--can't find a means to predict which)
	nor could I get TrueType for DOS to work properly.  

	I wonder how well WP 6.0 will run.  

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Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 1992 13:12:33 GMT
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Disney Software

William: That's normal. The beta os/2's README file says that they are
in contact with Disney about it. Apparently OS/2 wants to control the
LPT, with the spooler, and the sound device can't work with the spooler..
-turgut
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: TRI32NEW : SEAMLESS WINDO
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:32:20 GMT

In article <2287.624.uupcb@almac.co.uk> mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson) writes:
> GW..I just downloaded the tri32new.zip driver from hobbes and tried to make it
> GW..work with my ATI Wonder + card with 1mg.The question is, I have my HD
> GW..formatted as HPFS, how can I boot from DOS and creat the PMI file?
> 
> This is just a guess, but why not put SVGA on a floppy and run it from
> there?
> 
> /\/\ | |< |.                                     mike.dickson@almac.co.uk
> ---
>  . SLMR 2.1a . !noitanalpxe lanoitar lla seifed enilgat sihT
>                                                                      

This works fine. That's how i did it. 
 
Steve

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From: altman@cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Subject: Re: CD Technology drive offer
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, State U of NY at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:26:04 GMT

Jeff Altman (altman@cs.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: For those of you considering the CD Tech drive offer.
: Here is some additional info, if you ask politely and
: spend $50 more CD Tech will send you a Toshiba 3304 
: instead of the 3301.
: 
BEfore I get bombarded with requests for phone numbers,
questions about the original offer, ...

This offer is only good for those of us who have ordered
the OS/2 PDK or the 2.1 Beta.  A coupon for the purchase
of the discounted CD ROM drive comes in the package.

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From: altman@cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Subject: Re: CMS Software (From CMS BBS)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, State U of NY at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:15:44 GMT

Ronald Jones (rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: I guess IBM doesn't want Sytos Plus to compete with PS/2 Internal Tape
: backup program! However, I friend of mine was able to get additional
: drivers from Sytos (this was before CMS drivers were out).
: 
No, its not IBM's choice.  Just like its not CMS's choice that the 
only drivers they can provide are those for CMS drives.

Sytron sells the package either direct to customers with all drivers
for $179.95, or sells it to OEMs with drivers for their products for 
$79.00.

So, CMS is making $20 a copy while IBM is making $37.00 a copy.

If you want all of the drivers, call Sytron.  I don't know what
Sytron's policy is with regards to upgrades for other drivers
if you change backup devices.

Also, a beware.  I have a PS/2 55sx.  And so far, I have been unable
to get the MC drivers to recognize floppy based CMS Jumbo 250.  I am
the first MC customer and so CMS is looking into it.

Sytron has told CMS that the new drivers will NOT work with the model 57.
I hope they can get it too work with the 55sx.

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