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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Penpal
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:08:36 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <qncdv5o@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
=>In article <26546@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>|> In article <qmh65dk@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
=>|> =>
=>|> =>I think that some candidate for President in 1988 (was it Pat
=>|> =>Robertson?) boasted of having gone to Oxford and they dug up
=>|> =>that he'd actually spent six weeks there one Summer.
=>|> 
=>|> Are you sure you aren't thinking of Jeffrey Archer??
=>
=>No, I don't think he qualifies to run for President.  He
=>wasn't born in the US, was he?

I don't know, have you asked him? As a matter of fact I don't think he's
qualified for anything very much, but that doesn't seem to have stopped
him.

(Jon - insert smileys if it would help you)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.europe
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Organization: :noitazinagrO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:09:23 GMT

LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
: 
:If you think those are insults, let me tell you that I haven't even
: started on the banana-republic government you have over there, the mediocre
: scientists, the racisim and hypocrisy, the pathetic attempts of the Canadians
: to distinguish themselves from the USA by taking the worst of the British
: culture and the worst of the American and attempting to call the resulting
: distillate their own culture.  The only saving grace is the existence of
: French Canada, whose attempts to divorce itself from the rest of the
: country I fully endorse.
: 
I notice, Mr. G, that your prejudices do not prevent you from taking the
infidel's money or making free with the Great Satan's resources.
Perhaps, by way of repayment for this largesse, you would like to find
time, when next in Waxahachie, Texas, to express yourself freely in some
public place - say one of the local bars - and await developments.

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From: geoff@tyger.East.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.music.misc
Subject: Seeking contact address/phone for UK "Our Price" stores.
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:25:06 GMT
Reply-To: geoff@East.Sun.COM ()
Organization: SunSelect
NNTP-Posting-Host: tyger.east.sun.com

I think that this *just* qualifies for soc.culture.british because
it involves a singularly British practice (weak grin). 

When flying out of Gatwick a couple of days ago, I stopped at the Our
Price record store and decided to pick up a CD - an EMI "1968 Greatest
Hits", actually. (No jeering, please.) This being Britain, the jewel
box was empty, and I had to take it to the sales assistant who
reluctantly interrupted his natter with a colleague to retrieve the CD
from the back of the shop and put it into the jewel box for me. Naively
I assumed that he'd done his job right, and I headed off to my plane.
When I unpacked back here in the US, I found that he'd given me the
1963 volume in the same series - a disc that, oddly enough, I had
absolutely no interest in owning.

(1) Do people find this happens often?
(2) Is this a worthwhile way of avoiding the dreaded longbox?
(3) How are CDs sold in other countries? Is this really a UK-only thing?
(4) Anyone know the phone or address for the Our Price head office,
    so I can mail this thing back and get it replaced?

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:26:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.085104.29313@aber.ac.uk> dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff) writes:
>In article <Bvn9y8.G1n@scd.hp.com> tim%hpcpbla.bri.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com writes:
>>
>>I'm setting up a cluster of workstations and it has been decreed that the
>>hostnames will have a theme.  The weenies around here want to name them
>>after characters from Startrek (yuk).  To counteract this I've come up
>>with the idea of politicians disgraced by scandal (the more sordid the better).
>>I need your help with some more names. I have so far:
>>
>>Profumo
>>Mellor
>>Thorpe
>>Archer
>>Lucan (not a politician but the right flavour)
>>
>
>Lovely naming scheme, nice one Tim !, it does have the advantage that the
>list will extend from time to time, so you're not going to run out of
>possible nodes for your network.
>
>How about
>Stonehouse - caught with his fingers in the till.
>Poulson    - not a politician but greased a few palms in his time.
>T.Dan.Smith - involved with Poulson (I think)
>
>I suppose that given such a network, you could always use Cynthia Payne
>& Christine Keeler as servers.

>       What about Nabarro?  What about Squidgy?  Let us not forget
	The man in the raincoat: Lord Kagan (check Wilsons Honours
	Lists.  Never let it be said that Harold couldn't spot nepotism).

	Alec.
From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Children in Pubs?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:44:12 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <BvMvJ1.Do0@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (devitt) writes:
> 
> My mother, my brother (aged 15) and I are going to Britain in January.
> We thought 'pub lunches' might be a cheap and possibly nice way of gaining
> nutrition.
> 
> What is the age limit for entering pubs in Britain?
> Can my 15 year old brother go into a pub, when accompanied by his
> mother, in order to eat only?

Yes, as long as the pub has a separate eating area (many do these days).

Dave
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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Tory's compulsory union membership law
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.


   You might be interested to hear that John Major has announced that 
before the end of the year a bill will be introduced into Parliament
which will make everyone join a union.

   It's the "Treaty on European Union".  
So the party which attacked unions and claimed unions were too powerful
is now forcing everyone to join a new one, without letting them have 
any choice.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Pardon my ignorance and such
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:10:30 GMT

In article <17710@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>In article <6250083@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
>>
>>         As for geography, how many Americans cancelled flights to Europe
>>         during the Gulf Duck-shoot, because it was too close to Gulf ?  We
>>         could probably exchange examples till the cows come home, and thereby
>>         prove that neither of us has anything to be proud of in the levels of
>>         knowledge displayed by our compatriots.
>
>I'm reminded of the time when Charlton Heston was arguing with some
>British journalist about the Gulf War. The journalist asked Heston
>where Kuwait was and which countries shared borders with it. It was
>exquisite to watch Heston try and avoid the question--he clearly
>didn't have a clue where the country was. The journalist told him
>that if you're going to bomb a country, you might at least have
>the decency to know where it was.
>
	How about the Japanese employee my organization who recieved
	letters from his family in Japan who were worried about
	Indian attacks in Ohio? (I think he may have left his wife in New
	York for the same reason...)

	Alec Chambers
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: VNS, Tue 29-Sep-1992
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:30:05 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


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From: phd85@seq1.keele.ac.uk (D.H. Holden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:05:30 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England


     Sorry I couldn't resist this:-

     Cecil's just gone down on me!

	  Dave.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:19:57 GMT

From article <BvI4qw.35o@news.fai.com>, by pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor):
> In article <1992Oct2.144415.7568@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
> 
> I think that a free market economy works. There are countless examples of
> sucess stories to back me up. Robert Makwell, Ivan Boesky, Micheal Millican
> being just some.. :(
> 
> -- 
>   Paul Taylor pault@ossi.com

I can only assume that you are a plant for the advocates of worker
control. The examples you gave are really excellent examples of
Capitalism at its best Maxwell (fraud, sons charged), Boesky (caught by
Feds), Millican (Feds again). Hey, I suggest holding up Carnagie,
Mellon, and Frick as other great examples of how Capitalism makes the
world a safer place for democracy (i.e. real democracy), freedom,
equality, and justic.

															GW
"What is property? Property is theft" good old P.J. Prouhdon (he was a
bit of a sexist though).
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:23:48 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <26513@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
=>
=>Perhaps you are now coming to the conclusion tat it isn't a good idea to
=>have the government running the Universities? Perhaps they don't invest
=>the money needed to run a good University system? Perhaps it's time for
=>the Universities to lobby for privatisation?

But what will be the "product" that will be sold? Who will pay the
enormous tuition fees involved? Who will pay for the research to be
carried out? Who will invest in an enterprise with the prospect of
a long wait before a dodgy payout?


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From: kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Translate Shakespeare!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 03:04:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct5.005013.21463@math.ucla.edu> dstein@dione.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
>
>  Shakespeare, most of all, should be finally translated into English.

Prithee... What language is it that you are reading it in now?

>
>  I enjoyed "Romeo a Julie" in elementary school, but here in High School
>  reading Macbeth was no bed of roses.

A simple suggestion... Get a copy of Cliff Notes and read it AFTER you read
 the original play if you are having so many troubles.  There are several
publishers that have published his plays with a "translation" right along with
it.  Perhaps your English teacher could point you in the right direction.

>  Nor, it seemed, was Shakespeare liked by my classmates very much.

Really? In high school, I read Romeo and Julliet, Julius Caeser, Macbeth, Mid-
Summer Night's, Othello, As YOu Like it, King Lear, Hamlet, The Merchant of 
Venice, and The Taming of the Shrew.  (And probably a few that I left out)
Anyway the point that I'm getting at is that I did fine as well as the rest
of my class and we all enjoyed it.  I don't know... maybe we were just weird.
Could quite possibly be.  Also - our teacher was excellent and she made
Shakespeare fun....

kat
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From: riaedwards@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (AUDREY EDWARDS)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.212802.4550@epas.toronto.edu> sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) writes:
>From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
>Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:28:02 GMT

>In article <1992Sep29.062354.18381@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.112614.3849@darwin.ntu.edu.au> salter_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:
>>>I've just read in my "Grauniad Weekly" that all British school-children
>>>are going to have a compulsory test on a Shakespeare play at the age of 14.
>>>
>>>Is this really true, or is it just a pinko-liberal rumour spread by the
>>>"Gradiron" to convince the rest of the world that the Tories have gone
>>>stark staring bonkers?
>>
>>Why is this bonkers?  It sounds like an excellent idea (although it might
>>be better to require more than one play).

We started Shakespeare at primary school by reading Lambs Tales of 
Shakepeare, which in my view was an excellent introduction.

Surely, the problem with the Tories idea is not the teaching of 
Shakespeare, but rather the compulsory testing, which will render the whole 
exercise as "rote learning" rather than *education*. I recall that for my  
'O' level exam in Shakespeare, we all learnt the crib-notes off by heat and 
got A grades. With the more contemporary writers such as Somerset Maugham 
and Doris Lessing, these were not available, and we were forced to make our 
own evaluations.

Audrey.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:30:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.130535.13129@osf.org>, sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
|> Alright! Now we are getting somewhere, In the UK a semi is a type of house.
|> I wonder how long it will take to get back to truck.

	Semi (UK)
	Duplex (US)
	Backup (as in fully redundant)
	Reverse (what lorries do when they back up)
	Decline (as in reversal of fortunes)
	Refuse
	Garbage...

	Truck!
-- 
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Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
111 more days of Bush Presidency!
From: jmb@ukc.ac.uk (J.M.Bremner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Halloween in Britain (was Re: Halloween in England)
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:46:12 GMT
Reply-To: jmb@ukc.ac.uk (Mike Bremner)
Organization: Institute of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Kent

In article <1992Sep24.150550.10643@spider.co.uk> alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:

>Hallowe'en parties are also very common in Scotland.  We make our
>lanterns out of turnips.

Just in case anyone's confused, let me explain that the "turnip" in
question is not what the English call a turnip, viz. a turnip.  It is
a "neep", what the English call a swede ("food for sheep in England, and
men in Scotland" -- Dr. Johnson).  Lantern-making using neeps is, by
comparison with using pumpkins, hard work.  The result is rather
different in nature due to the much higher degree of opacity of the
outer skin of the neep.

[Standard disclaimers about the limited experience of the poster apply.
I expect that someone will post an article pointing out that in
Lincolnshire they call a turnip a beetroot (or vice versa), and that
make lanterns out of marrows.]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:22:20 GMT

 I would like to have a list, If anyone has one, where in a America we
call something by one name and in England it is called by another.

Truck vs. Lory

Can anyone help me? 

Thanks.

Dan



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:17:32 GMT

In article <BvEwtB.D5F@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:
> I would like to have a list, If anyone has one, where in a America we
>call something by one name and in England it is called by another.
>
>Truck vs. Lory
>
>Can anyone help me? 
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dan
>

Oh no!  Not this thread again.  

Maybe this should go into an FAQ.  :-)
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:50:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>If this were true, why would BMW want to be in partnership
>with R.R. to make aero engines.   Why would Taiwan Aerospace
>want to be in on BAe's aircraft manufacturing.

A large chunk of Britain's Aerospace industry is being closed
down and will be re-opened in Taiwan. Weren't high-tech
industries like aerospace supposed to be replacing low-tech
industries like coal? What are we replacing aerospace with?
Dole queue clerks, I believe. No doubt you will regard this as
an excellent example of service industries taking over.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Organization: sgi
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 03:34:57 GMT

In article <26513@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
|> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> 
|> #I understand that Mr.Perot's main plank is
|> #to reduce the federal deficit. I took the original posting as
|> #saying that the trouble with the UK was that it was just like
|> #the US - too great a government spending deficit. This at least
|> #is totally wrong - the UK government has until the past year
|> #been running with a budget surplus and paying off the national
|> #debt.
|> 
|> "until the past year". In the current year, we're giving the US a run
|> for their, err, money in terms of per capita government borrowing. I for
|> one, am worried about that and hope that something will be done soon to
|> reduce tha approaching 40 billion Pounds borrowing requirement.

In principle, I think one should always worry about debt, but
in this case I think we're just seeing good old Keynesianism
at work in the UK.   Run a budget surplus during booms, and a 
deficit in a slump.

What's been going on in the US for the last twelve years is
not so much Keynsianism as Peronism.    We're seeing a rerun 
of Argentina, when the Government is basically out to loot
the Treasury for the benefit of its friends, while keeping
the population quiet with Victory parades and Olympic medals,
as real wages gradually slip.

There is a huge degree of psychological hysteresis in play.
Everyone has been so brainwashed since 1945 to think of the
US as this immensely stable monolithic financial system that 
they can't really conceive of anything really bad happeneing.  
We may yet get to see what happens to the US, and US society,
when its financial system collapses.

One case where I really hope I am wrong.

jon. 
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