HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: What is GIF?!!??
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:59:19 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <10616@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany) writes:
>Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmger!peterk@cbmvax.commodore.com
>Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
>Distribution: 
>Organization: Commodore Germany
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <bburdeau.05bl@redorc.chi.il.us> bburdeau@redorc.chi.il.us (Bob Burdeau) writes:
>>PMBC???  Lossless image compression?  I like the sound of that.  
>
>Me too. Recently I saw a show on TV and they had a HD floppy for PC
>(no floptical, real standard) and this disk carried a *huge* number of
>full-size pictures, perhaps it was 200. They said there was a special
>compression procedure used that reduced the images to fractal formulas
>and only these formulas were stored. I'm doing hard to believe that,
>as the pictures were standard images of houses, people, landscapes, etc.
>But it obviously lead to phantastic compression rates (sure with losses).
>
>Does anybody know more about this? At least the name of the algorithm?

As part of a graphics course last year, I did a report on fractal 
compression algorithms.  I believe that the algorithm used is the 
Fractal Transform Process, developed by persons at Iterated Systems, 
Inc. of Norcross, Georgia.  There is an article in the October 1991
issue of SunWorld written by Louisa Anson and Michael Barnsley, president
of operations and president of Iterated Systems, Inc., respectively.

The resulting .FIF files have incredible compression ratios and while
they are lossy, they are not as bad as JPEG files.  It is claimed that
a 33MHz 386 with VGA and no extra hardware can decompress the files at
20 frames per second for full motion video.  Compression is apparently
much slower, but that seems to be true for many competing algorithms.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that there is a FIF viewer for the 
Amiga available.
 
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: jjarrett@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (James Jarrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: IFF Format
Summary: Lots of info available
Keywords: IFF, spec
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:15:45 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


The RKM Libraries book has the official spec and sample code for IFF
manipulation.  Also, Fred Fish disks (I don't remember the number) have
an official IFF disk with specs and samples.  IFF is *very* well documented
and supported -- and very open-ended.  Guess that's why Microsoft adopted
it for its RIFF file specs (Ripoff of IFF = RIFF).

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: twang@csc.albany.edu (Teddy Wang)
Subject: Re: Structured Drawing Recommendations?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:07:05


      I'm looking for a good structured 2D drawing package. On MS-DOS machines
   I prefer packages like CorelDRAW! and Micrografix Designer. What are some
   of the packages for an Amiga 2500?
      I'd want things like bezier curves, moveable guidelines that can be
   turned off and on, and an intuitive user interface.
      Thanks for the help.

Well, as I understand, you have 4 options here (since there are only 4
object oriented drawing programs on the Amiga discounting CAD programs
which can do double duty).

Professional Draw (v3.0) - Doesn't yet work with A4000 or 3.0, but a fairly
	solid program.  I like the GUI, it's fairly easy to learn, though
	if you are already familiar with Adobe Illustrator, it's quite 
 	different.  Also it's files are proprietary!

ProVector - Looks like, feels like, my god it is xfig!  I've been working 
	for the computing services here and damn this program looks like
	the publically (available on unixes running X) available xfig!
	Did these people develop this themselves or what?  Well I only 
	played with it once and I wasn't all that impressed, GUI is quite
	different from other drawing programs, makes learning curve greater.

Expert Draw - Novices need apply only.  The only bonus to this program is
	that it saves and loads Professional Draws proprietary format...
	Not powerful enough for someone already familiar with Adobe Illu.
	or CoralDraw...

Art Expressions - I currently own this one, so my opinion is bias.  All 
	in all the one with the most potential, but unfortunately, it has
	many bugs to be ironed out, including the fact that it has no ability
	to do "manual tracing", big mistake soft-logik, most of my business
	is based on this.  You are relegated to use BME's autotrace (not 
	quite as good as Adobe Slip Stream or Coral's autotrace), so most
	of my work is still done on IBM's running Windows...

Hope this helps!

Teddy
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Imagine 3.0 WHO CARES!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:34:08 GMT

In article <C17sGE.KIn@fc.hp.com> koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:

>Real3D is also very expensive.  I could afford Imagine just to plink

	My brother bought Real 3D a few months ago for $13 new.

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From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE MAILING LIST
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:23:59 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
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In article <mcouch.0pa8@amiganet.chi.il.us> mcouch@amiganet.chi.il.us (Marc Couch) writes:
> Someone out there subscribe to the Lightwave/toaster mailing list?
>
> I have tried to subscribe, but I think I have the wrong address.. WHAT IS THE
> SUBSCRIPTION ADDRESS??
>
> Also.. Besides Imagine and Lightwave.. what other mailing lists are there??

The subscription address is Lightwave-request@bobsbox.rent.com.

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From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Help me with my HAM ....
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:00:40
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
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In-reply-to: bjarrett@cs.strath.ac.uk's message of 27 Jan 93 10:59:38 GMT


In article <11460@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> bjarrett@cs.strath.ac.uk (Ben M O Jarrett CS92) writes:

>   Can someone out there tell me how to display HAM8 pics on an A1200?

>   I thought to access AGA modes, you select 256 colour WB, is that right???


The program you want is ViewTek 1.03.  It can display all AGA iff pics,
including HAM8.  In addition is can display GIFs and JPEGs, and does
quite a good job.

As for accessing AGA modes, any program that asks for an AGA custom
screen will get it regardless of your WB settings.  WB only needs to
be in an AGA mode if you happen to want to actually do AGA stuff ON
the WB screen itself.

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From: faith@amiganet.chi.il.us (Fred Drummand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Help With Anim Brush w/Imagine
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:14:09 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

How do you apply an anim brush to an object in imagine?

Is it just like a normal brush?  Or do i have to edit tush each frame in 
imagine?

Thanks

From Zen: On Man Says, The Flag Is Moving.  Second says, The Wind Is moving.
Third Says, Neither the wind or flag moves, but it is your mind that Moves.

Fred Drummand
Columbia College
Commercial Animation
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Imagine 3.0 WHO CARES!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:53:35 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

How dare you even ASSUME that Caligari Pro will fall into second
place.  Tell me that when Real3D gets a good interface and FFD
lattices.  ;)

(it's just a joke, folks...)

Greg

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From: Alf_Cook@mindlink.bc.ca (Alf Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE MAILING LIST
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:53:06 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

The address for the lightwave mailing list is lightwave@bobsbox.rent.com.  If
you want to subscribe send a mail message to
lightwave-request@bobsbox.rent.com
and in the body of the message enter:
subscribe lightwave-1 your.name@your.site.domain.  Expect a welcome message
in about 5 days and the mail will come pouring in.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: Ross.Knepper@launchpad.unc.edu (Ross Knepper)
Subject: Re: 16 Color Icons - Wb3.0
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:24:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.140949.727@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ross.Knepper@launchpad.unc.edu (Ross Knepper) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.183350.18320@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Are there any nice 16 color PD icons out there.  The 4 color ones
>>from C= are just not "neat enough " for those new AGA chips.
>>
>
>You mean you can get a 16 color Workbech with Wb3.0!? HOW??
>

That may have been unclear.  I know you can get up to 256 colors,
but the preferences only lets you edit 8.

>>-- 
>>________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
>>  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
>>	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: s8922967@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Murray Gilbert)
Subject: Re: GIF viewers and GIF89a
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:44:05 GMT

In article <frank.25.727836804@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov> frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
>From the faq for alt.binaries.pictures.utilities, I see some
>recommendations for Amiga GIF viewers.  However, it does not make
>it clear whether these viewers will work with GIF89a files; on
>other platforms, many viewers bomb when trying to view a GIF89a
>file.  (The main thing about GIF89a is that the file contains an
>embedded caption in the form of a "comment extension block." 
>Files under the previous GIF87a standard just had the image.)

I have found that most of them reject anything but gifs beginning
with 'GIF87a'. However, I have also found that some  that seem to
hand some of the GIF89a pictures completely ok when I manually
change the '9' in the file to a '7' with a binary file editor.
I haven't tested this extensively though.

Cya,
    Murray.


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From: sorvan@draco.bison.mb.ca (Colin Stobbe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Real 3D 2.0
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:51:34 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System

Hello,
     I just heard that the release date for Real 3D 2.0 is being pushed
back to april, and also that there'll be two versions released, one with
everything, and a cheaper version that doesn't include the presets, textures
etc... maybe I'll be able to afford it after all :)
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: LIGHTWAVE MAILING LIST
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:32:43 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1993Jan25.221012.26409@oracle.us.oracle.com> cgould@oracle.uucp (Colin A. Gould) writes:
> In article <mcouch.0pa8@amiganet.chi.il.us> mcouch@amiganet.chi.il.us (Marc Couch) writes:
> >Someone out there subscribe to the Lightwave/toaster mailing list?
>
> >Also.. Besides Imagine and Lightwave.. what other mailing lists are there?
>
> To subscribe to the lightwave list, mail to lw-request@bobsbox.rent.com
> asking to be added (providing your email address, of course :-) )
>
> There are other lists out there, I know of some David Tiberio was
> administrating, or at least was a high-level interface to- here's a
> recent list. You can subscribe to non-xamiga lists through dave's
> stuff, but he just forwards it, so it's quicker to mail the lw-request
> above.
>
> David said something recently about taking some time off from the
> list, but the subscribing etc. should be automatic. I'm still getting
> (a little) commodore@xamiga stuff, at least...
>
> ---------8<-------8<---------8<------------8<-----------
>
> ------------------ Via Amiga Graphics BBS (516) 473-6351 ------------------
>
>  David Tiberio               //  Amiga Graphics BBS  (516) 473-6351 v.32bis
>  dtiberio@xamiga.linet.org  //     Sponsored by Total Productions & DDD MEN
>  Long Island, New York    \X/    USENET - 3D - Music - Fonts - Pics - Utils
>
>     MAILING LISTS:
>
>     NEW Aladdin 4D          - post to aladdin@xamiga.linet.org
>         America             - post to america@xamiga.linet.org
>         AMOS                - post to AMOS@xamiga.linet.org
>         Commodore-Amiga     - post to Commodore@xamiga.linet.org
>         Emplant             - post to Emplant@xamiga.linet.org
>         Excelsior! BBS      - post to Excelsior@xamiga.linet.org
>         Imagine 3D          - post to imagine@sp.paramax.com
>         Lightwave 3D        - post to lightwave@bobsbox.rent.com
>     NEW SUNY Press          - post to SUNY_Press@xamiga.linet.org
>         United We Stand     - post to United@xamiga.linet.org

I certainly hope that Dave is not taking subscriptions to the Lightwave
3D mailing list.  If he is, he should immediately stop doing so.
Actions such as this can cause some horrendous bounce problems as well
as other problems with people whose addresses do not work or people who
drop accounts or want to unsubscribe.  The *ONLY* official subscription
address for the Lightwave 3D list is lightwave-request@bobsbox.rent.com.

If you are reading this Dave, please drop me a line about what exactly
you are doing with the list and we can nip this potential problem in the
bud.

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From: frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: GIF viewers and GIF89a
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:53:24 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: frankpc.jpl.nasa.gov

I've been putting together an anonymous ftp site to distribute,
among other things, GIF files of images from JPL's space
missions.  Besides the picture files we would also like to offer
people shareware/freeware GIF viewers for various platforms,
including Amiga.

From the faq for alt.binaries.pictures.utilities, I see some
recommendations for Amiga GIF viewers.  However, it does not make
it clear whether these viewers will work with GIF89a files; on
other platforms, many viewers bomb when trying to view a GIF89a
file.  (The main thing about GIF89a is that the file contains an
embedded caption in the form of a "comment extension block." 
Files under the previous GIF87a standard just had the image.)

I don't have access to an Amiga, and so I wonder if anyone can
recommend which GIF viewers do or don't work with GIF89a files. 
(If you need to get your hands on a GIF89a file you can visit our
ftp site, pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2); the GIFs, all of
which are GIF89a with embedded captions, are in the directory
/images.)

Thanks much if anyone can make any comment.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: oxleyd@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: IFF Format
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:00:48 GMT

In article <C1F3uA.IFH@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, James Jarrett writes:
> 
> manipulation.  Also, Fred Fish disks (I don't remember the number) have
> an official IFF disk with specs and samples.  IFF is *very* well documented
> 
> Jim
Fish disk 705 contains NewIFF, submitted by Commodore's Carolyn Scheppner. You
can ftp it from ftp.cso.uiuc.edu. You'll find it archived in /amiga/fish/f7 
as something like ff705.lha. This site contains about 750 (all?) fish disks and
documents.

Happy ftp-ing,
David Oxley.
From: jtee@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Babylon 5
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:04:09 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <bburdeau.0569@redorc.chi.il.us>, bburdeau@redorc.chi.il.us (Bob Burdeau) writes:
> Ok, just call me stupid, but what and where is "Babylon 5"?  I am guessing it

	Hmm...I just heard about it here too.  When is it 
scheduled to air?  Sometime in February I heard?  I
assume that it'll be airing on one of the major networks?
<hopefully - Canada isn't exactly a network playground
for smaller US stations).

	James
	JTEE@ac.dal.ca
> is a sci-fi show on a cable channel, no?
> 
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From: djmccoy@netcom.com (Daniel J. McCoy)
Subject: Re: Babylon 5
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:44:23 GMT

re: Motorola and 68060 behind

As far as I can tell from talking to engineers I work with that keep tabs on
Motorola (Motorola reps dropped by to talk DSP this week, next week, cpus),
the 68060 may be available by the end of this year.  Judging from the specs
one spews forth at me, it does indeed sound powerful for one's desk!  

Also, with Motorola handling the PowerPC cpu (to be used in Apple's and IBM's
joint effort machines), I doubt Motorola is hurting for business.

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From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Digiview to 24bit Problems
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:23:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I did use ADPro to read the Digiview file, but rendering it to HAM gave the
same greenish color.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: The Mailing List Condom
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:20:44 GMT


	Whenever posting to a mailing list, always use protection. I went
through my share of problems when I had over 26 megabytes of bounced mail,
which only stopped because my feed's spool partition became filled. In order
to stop getting bounced mail whenever you post to a mailing list, all you
have to do is add this to your header:

Errors-To:  someone@who.you.don't.like

	As an example, you could send errors to my math teacher who gave me
a B- because I was absent one day, so you would add a line like this:

Errors-To: mj12@majestic.grudge.gov

	Or to my Amiga friends:

Errors-To: tomas@dddmen.hola.sp
Errors-To: carlos@vivid24.coming.sp

	Or to the President:

Errors-To: bclinton@gaz.taks.gov
Errors-To: agore@45.good.28.bad.gm

	Or to NewTek (for not releasing a PAL Video Toaster) and for not
making it fit in a 3000 by sliding the endplate over too far:

Errors-To: macweenie@whats.an.amiga.com
Errors-To: christine@weave.been.kicking.around.an.idea.for.a.3000.version.lie

	Or to God:

Errors-To: god@po.box.1.heaven
Errors-To: allah@mecca.lecca.hi.mecca.heiny.ho
Errors-To: buddha@short.fat.guy

	Or to me at:

Errors-To: david_tiberio@amiga.lunet.ork


	Then all bounced messages will go to that address. It has to be a
real address, I think (I will test a fake address and see what happens).
In running my mailing lists, I have created an account called 'postmaster'
where all my bounced mail goes. No matter what happens, any mail that
ever leaves my site and bounces back will go to that address and no further
unless the poster has not provided an Errors-To: line. If I am home I
check my spool directoy and make sure all the large files have this line
added, and I also add them to my own outgoing mail. I have learned my
lesson about bounced mail a few months ago (Black Tuesday).


					
						David
						(no relation)


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