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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Catholic Lifestyle Book Recommendation
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:31:11 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Francis Muir writes:
>Arne Adolphson writes:
>
>	Can anyone suggest a good book on the Roman Catholic lifestyle?
>	I'm not a Catholic myself, and I have to say that the Catholic
>	lifestyle is a real puzzler to me.  I'd like something light
>	and frothy as I'm not real interested in theology.
>
>There is no American Literature of consequence -- chiefly
>because nowadays to be a Catholic is not that vastly different from being
>a Lutheran or whatever. 
>
True and not true. Blink and Walker Percy's Catholicism whisks by. And
Flannery O'Connor used her Catholicism like a geiger counter. 
But there's one writer whose name is lost in unused synapses who wrote
extensively, almost exclusively, about priests. Not much useful there
for what we mysterious RC laity do. Isn't Erma Bombeck Catholic? She sounds 
Catholic to these ears, anyway. In that she sounds like my older
sister. There was a National Lampoon style "Growing Up Catholic"
book put out, but it turned out to be tamer than it could have been
and not very funny. The John Hughes' movies give a good sense of 
how far Catholicism has fallen.

From the Gross Statistics I've seen, apart from gorgeous little girls
in plaid skirts and white blouses, there isn't really much you can
sift about the differences, as Francis has said. Catholic couples
use birth control at the same rate as non-RCs. And, sadly, the 
abortion rate is approimately the same. Meatless Fridays are relics,
as are relics. And given they shortage of priests which has
given rise to a de-emphasis on the use of the Confessional, even
good old Catholic guilt is becoming something of a curiosity.
I can't remember the last hellfire and brimstone sermon I've
heard.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: -- Harry Keeler (help find) --
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:16:41 GMT
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov15.162422.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, nzander@hamp.hampshire.edu
 writes:
>I am trying to buy a HARRY KEELER book as a gift for my mother.  I have
>gone to hundreds of used book stores in three different cities and nobody
>has ever even heard of him.
>
>Please, I'd appreciate it if someone would drop me a message (either
>via the board or personal mail) that might clue me in a little.
>
>I really don't understand why nobody has even heard of him.  The books
>that I've read are impressive, not masterpieces or anything, and pretty
>engrossing too.
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Nouri

I'm in the middle of Keeler's _The Mystery of the Fiddling Cracksman_
which I picked up because of Bill Pronzini's chapetr about Keeler
in _Son of Gun in Cheek_.  Impressive?  Pronzini labels Keeler as
the most unintentionally funny of all mystery writers.  I concur, but
de gustibus and all that.

I found Keeler at the Yankee Peddler Bookshop in Williamson, NY.  They
had a dozen more different titles.  I paid $6.00 for _Cracksman_.  
Oh, in case you don't know where Williamson is, it's 10 miles south
of Pultneyville.  The area code is 315.

Erik Timmerman
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:46:33 GMT


mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin), who seems to be taking himself far
too seriously,  writes:
 
> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>>>
>>> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>>>
>>>> To me, the exceptional thing about the book is that Madonna could get away
>>>> with it. What other star of stage, screen, or music could have pulled this
>>>> off without damaging his or her career?
>>>
>>> 2 Live Crew.
>>
>> Andrew Dice Clay
 
> Mark Taranto thinks 2 Live Crew would be successful photographed in a book
> like Madonna's. Now John Mechalas says Andrew Dice Clay would be
> successful with such a book.
 
Did I say that 2 Live Crew would be successful if they were photographed
in a book like Madonna's?  Nope -- only that the publication of such a
book would not hurt their careers.  Considering the fact that their careers
were not hurt very much when, on their tour of Japan, they invited women
up on the stage to perform oral sex on them in front of the audience, I
don't think that a book of pictures would hurt them.
 
> I have learned much more about your tastes than I ever knew before.
 
I don't particularly like 2 Live Crew, Andrew Dice Clay, or Madonna.
 
BTW, I would also say that the publication of erotic pictures of Vanessa
Williams with another woman probably helped her career, and certainly
did not hurt her.
 
Mark
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Authors in Popsongs" quiz
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:50:37 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>I think I'll post one of "pop lyrics based on books."

How about Pop albums based on books.  E.g. Roger Waters new album "Amused
to Death" based on/inspired by Neil Postman's _Amusing Ourselves to Death_.

Or if we want just lyrics from books, how can we forget:

1]
Realms of Bliss, Realms of Light,
  Some are born to sweet delight.
  Some are born to sweet delight,
    Some are Born to endless night.
End of the night, End of the night.
                                      [Two for the price of one!!]

2]
Mulligan stew for Bloom, the only Jew in the room
  Saxon's sick of the holy dregs and 
            their constant getting throw-up on his leg.

Molly's gone to Blazes, 
   Boylan's crotch amazes,
  Any woman whose husband sleeps with his head all buried 
            down at the foot of his bed

I've got his arm, I've got arm, I've had it for weeks, I've got his arm.

Stephen won't give his arm, to no gold-star mother's farm.
  War's good business, so you give your son
     and I'd rather have my country die for me...

There are so many of you...

3]
And the one that mother gives don't do anything at all...

When the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom, and your mind is moving, oh...

When logic and proportion, have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knights talking backwards, 
    and the Red Queens "Off with their Head"
Remember what the Doormouse said!

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:20354 comp.internet.library:118
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: Is there an online Internet Encyclopedia?
From: pmilbur@eis.CalState.EDU (Peter Milbury)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:33:53 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu
Apparently-To: comp-internet-library@uunet.uu.net
Status: RO

rsquires%cyclops.eece.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
> Is there an online encyclopedia available for telnetting
> somewhere?  I've used the America Online Encyclopedia,
> and it was so juvenile and incomplete as to be useless.
> If someone knows of one, this would be a great service...
>
> Roger Squires
> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu

You might try logging on via telnet to the W&L Law Library.

Telnet>  liberty.uc.wlu.edu       Login:  lawlib

Once online, search forward /encyclopedia

and it should take you to one.

Peter
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:20211 rec.arts.poems:11474
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: couple of questions - thanks!
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:51:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cactus.1992Nov16.215132.535
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <1e0rp8INN2te@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>
>Authorship is a funny thing. You might wish to consider the role of
>Ezra Pound in THE WASTELAND (check out the annotated, variorum edition)
>and Dorothy Wordsworth's contribution to I WANDERED LONELY AS A CLOUD
>(*Journals of Dorothy Wordsworth* OUP).
>
>							Fido
>


Austhorship questions aside, does anything truly capture the essence
of that Wordsworth poem like Bullwinkle's "Poetry Corner" rendition?
I cannot read that poem without hearing the Moose's voice.

Bullwinkle's voice and "I Wandered Lonely As A Cloud": the perfect    
marriage of medium and message

Kate



-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
From: jsquires@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Squires)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Neuromancer
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:21:28 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


I just started reading Gibson's Neuromancer.  I have many questions but 
the one I can think of offhand--
  Can someone please explain the ice used in the novel?

				Thanks
				  John Squires

Would also like any further discussions.
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From: msastry@oracle.uucp (Mahabala Sastry)
Subject: MASTER OF ENGLISH PROSE (Cardinal Newman)
Gfrom: msastry@oracle.uucp (Mahabala Sastry)
Reply-To: msastry@oracle.uucp (Mahabala Sastry)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:11:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Hello,

Can anyone out there on the net tell me where I can get to read Cardinal 
Newman? I know Cardinal Newman to be one of the "MASTERS OF ENGLISH PROSE".
Cardinal Newman is not the actual name of the writer. One of his famous works
that I know of is "Portrait of a University". I remebered having read a chapter
in that book called "Definition of a Gentleman". Also he is a British writer.

I would greatly appreciate any help.

Thanks in advance,

---Mahabala Sastry
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein and metaphysics was: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:21:49 GMT

In article <1erfi9INNk54@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>There is no need to stray from the meaning of the word itself. Meta Physics. 
>About Physics. About those sorts of things that LudWit understood had to be
>not discussed. Prop. 7.0. The bounds of Physics. Definitionally this means
>that there cannot be logical systems of Metaphysics, but, so what? 

All I know is, I never meta physics I didn't like.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Nothing to do with: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:18:06 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD

mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel) writes:
> 
>> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes...
> 
>>> Isaac Newton's "shoulder of giants" comment was
>>> not just some clever act of credit sharing, but a genuine humility.
> 
...
> 
>Incidently, while Newton is generally given the attribution for the
>phrase, it had been around for centuries.

On this topic, can the following variation (or something similar) be attributed
to any person, real or fictional?

 "If I have seen farther than others, it's because I'm surrounded by midgets." 

It's something I would love to have made up, but I feel it's more likely that I
read it somewhere.

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Balls etc. (was Madonna's new book)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:26:40 GMT

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu:
>There is that story about the American general whose forces were 
>surrounded by Germans during the Battle of the Bulge, and who,
>when the Germans demanded his surrender, responded "Balls!" 
>(or in the bowdlerized version, "Nuts!").  This always struck
>me as admirably brief.  However, I later read somewhere that he 
>really said "Fuck off!" which is much more to the point.
>Any of the military historians on rec.arts.books recall the name
>of this monosyllabic general, or know more about this story?

This is pretty much what happened at Waterloo, with "merde" making it
into the history books as "the old guard dies but never surrenders."
The similarity of the stories makes me suspect that the later one is
apocryphal, but I don't actually know this to be the case.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
   recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
				-- John Blasik


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: good novels about gay lifestyle
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:49:40 GMT

                                   Monday, the 23rd of November, 1992

Francis chides Marko for hinting at details to come whilst he himself is

                               about to dive into a knish which has been
  baptised with some of Lee & Perrin's finest Worcestershire Sauce.

Is this one of his anti-sexual personae?

              Mike Morris
      (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:09:45 GMT

In article <By4oBM.n4y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mechalas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Mechalas) writes:

>I don't think it says anything about our tastes.  I think it says something
>about what our society would accept.  Both 2 Live Crew and Dice gain their
>success by being lewd, obnoxious, and [insert your favorite description here].

I don't think the issue is what society would accept. I certainly didn't
raise that issue. The issue I raised is whether such a book would have a
positive, negative, or neutral effect on the author's career.

It seems unlikely that a book of Andrew "Dice" Clay nudes or 2 Live Crew
nudes would have a neutral or positive effect. That you think such a book
of nudes would not hurt their careers says much about your estimation of
both talents.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: "Two Girls, Fat and Thin"
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:37:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.152541.17219@netwise.com> hilary@netwise.com (Hilary Lane) writes:

>I also enjoyed the Rand parody, as well as some of the other parodies (the
>TV show "Firing Squad" instead of "Firing Line," etc.). But I was very 
>disturbed by the book - I had to finish it even though I thought it was
>horrific. It made my stomach knot up. One of the most disturbing things about
>the book, to me, was that I didn't like the characters at all.

I don't require this.

>Couldn't
>relate to them, even though I *could* relate to some of their situations. I
>kept wanting to wring their necks. I couldn't empathize or sympathize with
>the protagonists, and felt dragged down by their personalities. There wasn't
>one positive thing about that book, IMHO. Well, maybe the parodies, but that's
>about it...

One thing I liked about the book was the fact that these unpleasant people
manage to redeem each other at the end.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
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From: john@slinky.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Lodder)
Subject: Re: "Authors in Popsongs" quiz
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:24:40 GMT

> 14.  Marshall McLuhan, casual viewin', head buried in the
>           sand
Genesis, from "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: GENIUS: Life/Science of Richard Feynman
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: parson_r@cubldr.colorado.edu (Robert Parson)

In article <1992Nov13.125015.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, parson_r@cubldr (Robert Parson) writes:
>> So naturally Wilson ended up working on the 3-dimensional Ising
>> model--and his solution was the heart of his own 1982 Nobel winning
>> work.

> But this is wrong. Wilson worked with Gell-Mann, but on quantum field theory.

Hey, I didn't give dates, now did I?

> He didn't get back to critical phenomena until about 15 years later. And
> neither he nor anyone else has "solved" the 3d ising in the sense of getting
> an analytic solution (as Onsager did for the 2d case) although there are
> plenty of accurate numerical solutions.

Hey again.  _HIS_ solution was the heart of his 1982 Nobel winning work.
It wasn't analytic, and it wasn't yet another numerical simulation.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:49:26 GMT

In article <9211230336.AA12874@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com 
(Mark Taranto) writes:

   >Not just Carnap.  It is a pretty common theme in Analytical Philosophy
   >to beat up on metaphysics.  A. J. Ayer's tries to define away the
   >problems of Metaphysics in LANGUAGE, TRUTH & LOGIC.

  Carnap and Ayer were both closely associated with the school of
logical empiricism, which in turn will forever be associated with
the cry of "down with metaphysics". However, it is inaccurate to
associate analytical philosophy as a whole with this battle cry.
I would say that at least from the fifties onwards, "metaphysics"
has by no means been a term of abuse in analytical philosophy.
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Catholic Lifestyle Book Recommendation
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:32:47 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Arne Adolphson writes:

	Can anyone suggest a good book on the Roman Catholic lifestyle?
	I'm not a Catholic myself, and I have to say that the Catholic
	lifestyle is a real puzzler to me.  I'd like something light
	and frothy as I'm not real interested in theology.

For one brief moment I thought this was an attempt at a humorous knock-off 
of the posting that started the "gay lifestyle" thread, but then the awful
realization came over me -- the man means it! So which lifestyle is it?
The pederastic parish priest from St. Paul's? The mustachio'd nun who leapt
over the wall at a single bound? Mark Taranto's Confessions of a First
Communicant? The list goes on. In some respects we are pretty much like
gays -- we suspect we're genetic but we're not sure and we don't care much.
A major difference is that instead of coming out of the closet, a lot of
us end up going into it. "I'm no longer practising" is a key phrase for
these people. There is no American Literature of consequence -- chiefly
because nowadays to be a Catholic is not that vastly different from being
a Lutheran or whatever. I imagine it may be quite important to Blacks in
some cities where going to a Parochial School is seen as a step up. In
England there is a massive modern literature -- chiefly from the "old"
Catholic families who managed to survive Good Queen Bessie's quite unpleasant
ways of getting persons disembowelled, &c. Evelyn Waugh's *BRIDESHEAD
REVISIT* is almost all about The Problem of Sin amongst the upper echelon,
and Graehame Greene (enough "e"s?) has done the same for the middle classes
in several of his earlier and better regarded novels. The Frogs never gave
a shit about Sin, so French Catholic writers tend to be either very wicked
(all the famous ones) or very good (like Paul Claudel -- you know, the guy
with the crazy sister).

							Fido,
							Recovering Papist
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From: ppetto@wariat.org (Peter J. Petto)
Subject: Re: Surreal Novels About WWII
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:28:03 GMT

I'd suggest _Gravity's Rainbow_, by Thomas Pynchon.

-----
Peter Petto         |      ppetto@wariat.org
Bay Village, Ohio   |   73125.617@compuserve.com
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Balls &c. and numbers thereof.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:19:44 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Dani Zweig writes quoting John Blasik (whoever he is):

	It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
	recently is four times bigger then the previous record.

If it is indeed four times bigger, then it isn't prime.

						Prof. Nosebody
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Why I am thrilled with the QPBC
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:23:07 GMT

                                  Saturday, the 21st of November, 1992

Fiona writes:
                                                       You see, I
  used to be a big QPB buyer between about 1980 and 1988, but the
  quality of the selections offered declined steadily during that
  period, to the point where I wasn't ever finding anything I wanted.

In this household, we are members of QPBC, BOMC, and HBC (History
Book Club), as well as the Library of Science, and we subscribe to
the Library of America. The first three are all tentacles of
the Camp Hill, Pa octopus. I don't feel like I can justify any of
the three of them. I find the occasional offering in HBC. As
someone else mentioned, the BOMC and QPBC lists often overlap. Almost
any book you'd buy with either, you could find at a bookstore,
and probably cheaper. And bookstores are a favorite pastime. I
think the reason we remain members is simply that it's cheery
arranging to get and getting packages (of books, especially) in
the mail.

She also signs off:
					--I can be negative, too, :-)
Ha! You call that negative?

                 Mike Morris
         (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Balls etc. (was Madonna's new book)
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:55:10 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

>hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
>>Also, "Balls!"
>>is a great expletive, while "Eggs!" or "Ovaries!" just doesn't do
>>much for me.  

"Balls!", said the Queen.  "If I had to, I could be King!"

-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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From: gara@cs.toronto.edu (Gara Pruesse)
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:07:03 GMT

In article <1dtpv5INNgcg@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Ken Warkentyne writes:
>	laughter is impossible only in heaven or in hell.
>In fact, Bergson said "Heaven, Hell or Canada".
>
>							Fido

Is this supposed to be funny?

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