HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: Re: Nargh ...
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:25:25 GMT

> That's why I'm whinnnnning ... the temperature never got above 75 in Buffalo,  
> and I come back to this inferno of a town we call Las Cruuuuuuuuces and it's  
> friggin one-hundred-and-twenty degreeeeeeeeeees!  (~50C)
> 
> What makes a good town for twentysomething people?  It's a town where ...
> 
> * people don't get married right out of high school, creating a vast shortage  
> of single people in their twenties, UNLIKE LAS CRUCES!
> * there's neighborhoods (besides college ghettoes) with a high concentration of  
> active, creative young people, UNLIKE LAS CRUCES!
> * where there's good, comfortable neighborhood bars where you can actually meet  
> people and have a conversation, UNLIKE LAS CRUCES!
> * there's a real downtown where people live, work and play, UNLIKE LAS CRUCES!
> 
> The list can go on.  I don't mean to sound like a whiny New Yorker, like those  
> that bitch about everyplace outside Manhattan, but Las Cruces is awwwwwwwwwwful  
> for professionals in their tweeeeeeeeenties! 

Okay, let's see if I got this right.  You're looking for a place in which you 
can be professionally employed and meet other single twentysomethings in 
neighborhood bars and have intelligent conversations these people.

You are from out of town, aren't you.  Do you have any proof that you're
from this planet?  Are you sure you're not a thirtysomthing?  That idealistic
attitude has got to go.  

By the way, why the HELL are you heeeeeeeerrrrre if you hate it so much?

--sandy
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: zrubek@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ZRUBEK PETER F)
Subject: hmm
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:00:20 GMT



I really hate politics.
John
.

Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Nargh ...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:55:55 GMT

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooston is just *crawling* with 20-somethings.  We have
a student population of 100,000 in the metropolitan area!  If thaaaaat's not
good enough, noooooooooooooo one can help you!  There's a lot to do, a
*definite* downtown, accessible by public transportation, and it hardly
eeeeeeeeeeeeever even gets to 100 degree F!  Proooooooooooomise!  We have
a lot of what New York has to offer, only this city is more liveable. 
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut,  it's veeeeeeeeeeeeeery expensive here! 
Do you want a nice, modern, 2 bedroom apartment with wall to wall
carpeting, air conditioning, dishwasher, disposal and laundry in the
building, plus your own parking space and not have to live
reaaaaaaaaaaally far away from the city?  You're looking at probably $1200
per moooooooooooonth!  Or more!  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah  Well, I suppose,
if you search, you miiiiiight find it for $900/month, but it will be 30
years old and uuuuuuuuuuugly!  

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!  Can't have everything!  :-(

--Nancy Reynolds
From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a neat-looking star... (headache cure) 
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:28:08 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <2A6B3BC6.16934@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
 
> Someone suggested cramp bark for that.  I don't get headaches during my
> period, just (some just!) cramps and barfing episodes.  For the other
> women on the net, I've found that if I avoid starchy foods like the
> plague for a few days prior, I don't hurl.  I noticed recently that
> whenever I DID barf, it was always rice or macaroni or gnocchi or pizza
> or omething like that.  Try going for salads and stuff for a few days
> prior.  

I have had a couple of friends claim their cramps went away when they
stopped eating sugar, drinking diet sodas and caffein anything. 

It would be hard for me to know from personal experience.  

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________

Stephen R. Figgins           |  There was an old woman
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  Who lived under the hill 
PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
___________________________________________________________________________
 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: zrubek@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ZRUBEK PETER F)
Subject: Druid request
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:44:10 GMT

Are there any Druidic organizations out there?  I was wondering what
a Druid would do in his daily rituals and what sort of things the
religion requires of it's members.  I am just curious.

Thanks,

John Cairns


*****************
Pardon my ignorance.
.
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Overthrow "THE MAN" symbolically, was (Who cares)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:32:45 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <12467@inews.intel.com>, pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
writes:
>In article <eTeFoB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP> 
>ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>so far as i'm concerned, 
>>i think the best tactics would be for all the oppressed groups to get 
>>together, bury their differences (for example homophobia in the black 
>>community and racism in the gay male community) and overthrow the man.  
>>together there's a lot more of us than there are of them.  and ALL of us 
>>who are white need to overthrow whatever traces of the man exist withion  
>>ourselves...
>
>Yeah, I'll go for that, overthrow "THE MAN" in ourselves. All of us are
>oppressor and oppressed in varying degrees, all of us suffer, all of us
>should overthrow "THE MAN" in ourselves. Not cast out, but turn around
>to serve all humankind. Boy, I was stupid, mista bob dobalina, it took
>a while before I could see through the mask. Now, tell me, who is number
>one?
>
>Be seeing you!

Hmmm...  For some reason this brings into mind a conversation I was having
with Dan and a bunch of Fen, this weekend.  One point that came up was the gay
community in various parts of the US.  Of how a person may come out of the
closet, and announce themself as "gay", but a year later they realize they are
actually bi-sexual.  Then they have to go through the whole comming-out
process again, and they find themself rejected by the gay community, because
they sleep with both sexes upon occasion...

(I am one of those people who "came out of the closet" as Bi a few years back,
and then realized "no I'm a breeder" then "No I'm Bi", and THEN (finally)
"I'm primairily a breeder, but have some gay tendencies."  And I can verify
how there were some people in the gay community who were true assholes in that
"No, they KNEW damn well I was gay", and some who wouldn't have anything to do
with me, because I wasn't 100% homosexual...)

----

Now personally, I am not ashamed of being a man.  As Dan said this weekend,
"I don't feel a need to be identified as an exclusivist feminist."  (chuckle)
I do not apologize for being male, nor do I feel that I need to reject my
being male.  I am happy with who I am.

I do not apologize for other men.  I am not perfect, I have faults, just like
everyone else, but I try to work on those faults.  I try to help those people
who need and want help.  But I will not apologize for what happened to them,
if I did not do it.  I will be supportive of the person who needs help, and
do what I can though.

But I will not "overthrow 'THE MAN'" in myself.  For I am happy being male.

Krikket               ! krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us ! USnail:3 Danada Square E.
a.k.a Doug Krick      ! Team Star Charter Member   !        Suite 246
Data ph# 708/665-9732 ! #include<std.disclaimers>  !        Wheaton, Il 60187

 'If you are what you eat, then I'm Dead Meat'  -- Timbuk 3 "Grand 'ol Party"
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women, men, scum, and wicca . . .
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:39:07 GMT
	<2A6B36DE.16386@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <70282@apple.Apple.COM> 
	<1992Jul21.193315.15180@linus.mitre.org>

In article <1992Jul21.193315.15180@linus.mitre.org> 
heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger) writes:
>I beg to differ.  What if there was a white man's congressional caucus,
>as there are for women and blacks? 

There is. It is called just Congress. And we all pay for them with taxes!

>What if there was a National Association for the Advancement of White People?

There is. It is called KKK. Or S&L, the biggest give away for White males ever!
BTW: What was the biggest crime since WWII? And who benefited?

>What if there was a Hetero Rights Organization?

There is. It is called the mainstream as lead by Jesse Helms whose salary is
paid by all taxpayers! Another name is Moral Majority!

>All of these would be labeled harmful and reactionary out-of-hand, regardless
>of what they actually did.

You said it! You got any more great examples?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: San Francisco pagan activities
From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:03:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

I'm going to be in San Francisco next month and would appreciate information
from anyone familiar with the area about pagan or wiccan activities, shops,
bookstores, etc.  Thanks in advance!

Nancy Proctor


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rickheit@dragon (Erich Rickheit KSC)
Subject: Re: the work "warlock"
Frankie: Nothing...why, do you think I should?
Organization: University of Lowell Computer Science, Lowell MA
Brad: What have you done with Janet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:45:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.113753.6642@ac.dal.ca> jblain@ac.dal.ca writes:
>...Warlock is Old English (and probably also Old Scots...)

>It certainly did mean "oathbreaker" or "traitor" and has little to
>do with male witches other than by (non-witches) association. 

Actually, I read an article some time ago that suggested an alternate
derivation for the word, suggesting it came from one of the old Scandinavian
languages 'hvaerdlocka' (spelling so sic...), which referred to a person who
sang a certain class of protective spells.

Curiously, the word itself was still an insult when applied to men. Since
the hvaerdlocka was usually a woman, or more rarely, a gay/effeminate man,
it was often used in in insult to imply homosexuality. When good form for
properly insulting someone required careful scansion and tricky internal
alliteration, it paid to have plenty of odd references to draw upon.

Unfortunately, I can't cite a reference from here, as I'm at work, but I
recall it being in an old issue of FireHeart, the one with the Jennifer
Moore God/Goddess phote printed sideways on the cover. I can dig it out
later for people who are interested.

-- 
			Erich the hahaha Mad
rickheit@hawk.ulowell.edu     AT&T: 508 453 1753  : USnail : Erich Rickheit KSC
         "Here, my ice lolly's melted --          :          85 Gershom Ave, #2
          You really _are_ the devil!"            :          Lowell, MA 01854
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: alt.wicca, anyone?
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:02:54 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
> : 
> : I third the motion...  And think that there are enough wiccans present to j
> : 
> : (Hell, many people in the Chicagoland area that I know hwo are on the Net, 
> 
> Heh, Heh! Shows how it is easy to come to what is probably an incorrect
> conclusion based on insufficient information.
> 
> I personally suspect that the "Starhawk Wiccan" type people are far and
> few between here.
> 
well, i love starhawk.  i find her ideas interesting and very much enjoy 
her work, and would love to meet and do a ritual with her sometime.  but 
i wouldn't read or post to *.wicca.  why?  i'm not a wiccan.  i AM, 
however, a pagan, so i will stick right here.

                                       -ailsa

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com   or   io81409@maine.maine.edu
 
are you on fire         what will replace the rent with the stars above,
from the years,         replace the need with love,
what will you give      replace the anger with the tide,
for your kid fears?     replace the ones, the ones, the ones that you love?
From: Frank.Perricone@f814.n355.z1.therose.pdx.com (Frank Perricone)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: veggies, women, fear
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:21:00 -0700

In a message dated 19 Jul 92  05:36:10, skyler bode wrote:

 sb> First, re vegetables vs. animals:  Does Nature (or whatever term
 sb> you use; I'm referring to life on Earth in general) view killing as
 sb> Wrong?  Eating meat?  Plants?  One's own species?  Ask yourself

Well, no, of course not.  The issue really is whether we, as a race, have gone
too far.  After all, killing for territorial reasons is fairly common in the
wild, but mankind has taken that a BIT too far, too.

 sb> really simplisticized for brevity.  The point:  it's not just
 sb> men/women.  It's fear.  I think Frank Herbert was right when he

Fear of what?  As a man, what am I supposed to fear about a woman, as a woman,
any more than I'd fear another man?  I don't know if I'm being too superficial,
but I have met a LOT more men I'd fear than women, because I've met a lot more
men who could turn to violence at a moment's notice.  BUT... then again, I'm
also missing the need for subjugation, as far as I can tell, so my case is
hardly relevant.  (At least I think so, and I have thought about it, I don't say
so idly.  But anyway...)  What is it about women that men fear?
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: alt.wicca, anyone?
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:43:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Radzykewycz) writes:

>I suspect Janis is right.  I doubt that very many people would want
>to post to one, but not the other.  On the other hand, it might
>be useful to *move* the group to soc.religion.wicca, so it isn't an
>"alt" group any longer.

>To me, the real question is this:  how many people feel that alt.pagan
>is not an appropriate place to post things, and would prefer to post
>the stuff to soc.religion.wicca or alt.pagan.wicca INSTEAD OF alt.pagan?
>(NOT in addition to it)

Having thought about this since my first suggestion, I would prefer s.r.w over
a.w or a.p.w.  

I do not feel that a.p is presently an inappropriate place to post things, but
if s.r.w came into being I would read both, but rarely make original posts to
a.p.  The Wiccan-specific material I have posted has generally gotten ignored
by most folk (or at least not responded to).  In s.r.w, I might have a real
chance to get meaningful critism.

I would very rarely crosspost between a.p and s.r.w--probabaly about as often
as I presently crosspost between a.p and alt.magick.  It happens, but it is
not the norm.

If s.r.w ws formed, I would not want a.p to go away.  It should exist so that
there is a format for all those pagans out there who are not Wiccan.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: stereotypes - and a request
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:27:34 GMT

pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>> maybe women do have a vicious side and have just been pretending
>>> to be sweet all these years, I just don't see it.

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Radzykewycz) writes:
>> Of course they do, Paul!  They're human, and they have all the same
>> qualities that the rest of humanity has: viciousness, greed, lust,
>> sympathy, love, honor, and all kinds of other things.

pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
> Hmm. Would you find all those qualities in Buddhist monks? Catholic nuns?

Well, in monks and nuns, I would expect it to be well-controlled and
sublimated, but they ARE there.

> Tribal people?

Even though it's fiction, you might want to see "_The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy_".
You might learn that tribal people, too, have the same qualities of
viciousness, greed, and so on.

> I have never in my life been physically
> threatened by women, I can not say the same of men.

Congratulations on never having been physically threatened by women.

Perhaps your mother never paddled you when you were a child, and
your father took on that cursed responsibility.  If so, then that
partly explains why you have this strange outlook on life.

You qualify your statement to physical threatening.  The implication
(whether you intended it or not) is that you consider physical violence
to be violence, but you consider emotional and other kinds of violence
to be non-violent.  My condolances.

> Berkeley must have really changed since I was up there last
> month. Has the People's Republic been overrun by women already?

What does this have to do with anything?


Now that I've finished answering Paul's message, I also think I
should emphasize the other half of the story: women (and men, and
blacks, and monks and nuns, and gays/lesbians/bis, and ...) all have the
same GOOD qualities as the rest of us: sympathy, love, honor, ...
Don't forget this half, either.

Bear Blessings!

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					|  An it harm none,
	-- radzy			|  do as ye will.
					|
	Tim Omelan Radzykewycz     	|  "Just pray for a
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|  tough hide and a
					|  tender heart."
	radzy@icsi.berkeley.edu	        |    -- Ruth Graham
					|
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> Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda)
Subject: wicca
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:51:33 GMT


i'm not sure if this is the right way to phrase this, or the right newsgroup,
or even the right subject matter, but i want to seriously know more about
wicca.

i live in worcester, MA and i wondered if any of you know anyone around here
i can get in touch with to share information, books and practice with...

so far i have only read some books and talked with people about the religion,
and it hasnt been too informative....

thanks for the help...


brenda



-- 
brenda@wpi.wpi.edu    "I've been singin' the blues ever since the world     
152 West St. Apt 2     began..."
792-3243                                      ~ Jim Morrison
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From: rockwell@socrates.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller-Rockwell)
Subject: Re: stereotypes - and a request
Organization: Traveller
	<2A65FEDF.19097@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <21519@sybase.sybase.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:53:46 GMT

Krikket [I think]:
   >>>>      "Well, we don't mind _all_ blacks, just the ones we know
   >>>>      about."

Janis Cortese:
   >If you're this incapable of understanding the distinction between
   >oppressor and oppressed, you have my pity.

Elton Wildermuth:
   Janis, I've said this to you before, both publicly and in email,
   but perhaps not bluntly enough; so here I go again: YOU are the
   source of most of the "oppression" that happens to you.

Ahem.

What does this statement about responsibility have to do with either
of the preceeding statements?  Maybe if it's yelled loud enough, about
how Janis is responsible, she'll stop exercising that responsibility?

Yes, it's true that "god-like individuals" can choose their own
emotional response to most any situation.  Firstly, that has little or
no bearing on people who have not chosen this path.  Secondly, this
sort of capability -- real or imagined -- should not be considered an
excuse to stuff your own emotions onto someone else.

If someone posts to stating "all oppression I've experienced was
self-inflicted," that can be a liberating post.  But the above post
made no such statement and instead was made in opposition.

-- 
Raul Deluth Miller-Rockwell                   <rockwell@socrates.umd.edu>
From: kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Faerie request
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:17:00 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Another request from the ol' Information-Vampire, c'est moi.

Could anyone E-mail me the titles of source material on the Faerie legends of
Europe?  I'm interested in an overview, as well as any specific sources dealing
with individual cultural legends, such as the Celtic Sidhe, or scandanavian
Trolls, etc.

					Thanks in advance,
						--Gareth
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: acarr@pell1l12.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr)
Subject: Lammas
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:37:03 GMT

I know the time is just past, but what kinds of things did people do to  
celebrate Lammas?  Around here we're not really organized, but there are a  
few of us who would like to make observances and it isn't easy to adapt  
what little information is in books.    Similarly, (this time, in a more  
timely fashion), what kind of commemorations are people planning for  
equinox?  Or are there other moments we might be aware of?
There seems to be some controversy in the group about posting rituals, but  
I have appreciated the discussions of particular rituals and experiences  
when they appear.  This is not intended as a FAQ, but as a practical way  
of understanding what people believe as reflected in what they do.  Isn't  
that just as important as debating the exact definitions of Wicca, Pagan,  
and so on?
Communitas, A.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: aaldrich@geppetto.encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Who cares
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:48:10 GMT

kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:

>For ourselves, for our friends, lovers, families, and children, we
>need to find ways to break out of this oppression, not just say "Hey,
>it wasn't me."  Our silence is assent.  Our silence is complicity.

Hear, Hear!!. well said..



>___________________________________________________________________________
> 
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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: JANIS IS RIGHT!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:16:04 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

dwlogsdon@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

> Okay, I'll admit it: I'm one of those people who supported Janis through the
> E-MAIL, but didn't publicly post anything!
> 
> I just returned to the net, after a few days, to find LOTS of people (nearly,
>  if not ALL male) blasting her rather intensely.
> 
> So here goes:
> 
> JANIS IS RIGHT!
> 
> I'm a happily heterosexual male, and wish I could say she's wrong about men i
> general in our society, but:
> 
> JANIS IS RIGHT!
> 
> In fact, the only thing she might have been wrong about was the degree to whi
> the men in the Pagan community are exceptions to this! So, one more time:
> 
> JANIS IS RIGHT!
> 'nuff said!
>                                         DAVE

i agree.  and i know other men who do too.  my brother is heterosexual, 
white and male, and has NO male friends.  why?  because he says all the 
men he knows are jerks, and they are really awful to his female friends.  
so he just doesn't bother.

                                    -ailsa

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com   or   io81409@maine.maine.edu
 
are you on fire         what will replace the rent with the stars above,
from the years,         replace the need with love,
what will you give      replace the anger with the tide,
for your kid fears?     replace the ones, the ones, the ones that you love?