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From: hiramc@sco.COM (Hiram Clawson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Hempless history - Can you help me?
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:43:54 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <15930004@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck) writes:
>A good reference for your project might be "the emporer's new clothes"
>by Jack somebody. It is slanted pro-legalization, but has oodles of
>sources and copies of old news articles. Even give you a place to buy
>the old war film "Hemp for Victory" (not kidding!).

There is an interesting story outlined in this book about that movie.
I can't remember how to spell Jack's last name, something like Herrah.
Anyway, as Jack was researching for this book he was trying to find
documentation for the movie.  The movie was well known in Hemp Advocacy
groups for a long time.  And since it was made by the U.S. government,
Jack figured there should be some reference in the Library of Congress.
As he searched the indexes there he found nothing.  He looked around
for a while, then one of the librarians had the idea to check the
older bound volumns of indexes rather than relying on the latest
computerized indexes, and sure enough they found a citation in a
library index of the early 50's.  The reference to the movie had
been deleted in later indexes of the Library of Congress.  Staff
at the Library said such disappearance of records was becoming
more common place as the computerized indexing took over and
the the computer files were at the mercy of various political
winds of cover ups.  So much for the veracity of one of the most
important libraries in the world.

Down the old memory hole, so to speak.

--Hiram

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Re: Christic Books & Videos Address Your Need to Learn of Gov't Criminality
Keywords: Christic Institute, Gov't criminality, books & videos
Organization: University of Missouri
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:19:07 GMT

In <1992Apr11.051319.3671@wpi.WPI.EDU> entropy@yaya (Lawrence C Foard) writes:
>I assume from this list that the Christic Institute supports the war on
>drugs? This is unfortunite since the war on drugs is directly responsible

Hmmm .. I just scanned the original article and I can't figure out where
you got that impression.  The reverse is true.

Rich
From: news@cs.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: AIDS
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:48:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167CAD059.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <1992Apr15.182059.5834@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
gregory j farrar <gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
 
>
>	Over the last several years I've heard from different
>places of the idea that the US government is responsible
>for the AIDS epidemic. They supposedly started it to elimanate
>( insert your favorite minority here ).
>	Does anyone have any real articles or information concerning
>this line of thinking. If so, please email the info to me.
>
>gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>Thanks,
>    greg
 
Here we go again. In the past, any number of diseases were attributed
to "a secret government project", including sickle cell anemia, influenza,
syphillis, etc. Dick Gregory had an interesting theory in which the children
in Atlanta who were being killed were actually being kidnapped by the
government who needed them for such a project. But what's a "real article"?
Does publication make it true?          --mje
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From: lurker@net
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution:  world
Date: 12 APR 92 01:14:46    

In article <x-vj0p+.mortal@netcom.com>, 
mortal@netcom.com (Phyllis Schlafley) writes...

>To put my .02 cents worth, why not create a Holocaust news group and let all 
                                                                      ^^^
>these people slug it out there instead of waisting bandwidth by putting the 
>same stuff in three or four news groups?
> 
>Any one like this?

I underlined the key word above, from which you can see the failure of this 
idea to actually *work*, in practice.

The question is, will doing this actually succeed in moving the Holocaust
postings out of "inappropriate" news groups?  Since the majority of Holocaust
discussions originate as replies to posts that come from the b-cpu gang, you'd 
want them to voluntarily restrict their future posts to that new group.  
However, I have never seen any of the b-cpu people proposing that such a group 
be created, so I doubt that they'd limit their postings to that group, even if 
it *were* created.  In other words, why do you think they'd suddenly start 
acting like good net citizens if they can't already?  You can't _force_ them 
to restrict their postings to any particular group, and they would almost 
certainly feel justified to keep right on posting the same repetitive stuff 
into the groups they already post to, as opposition to what they would consider
an attempt to "censor" discussion on these other groups.
So I don't think it would be a good idea, on the whole.

IMHO, it is not a "waste" of bandwidth to have reasonable people responding to
the idiocies posted by the Holocaust revisioninsts.  The original "waste" is
from the b-cpu gang making bi-monthly reposts of old, worn, already refuted
material.  Do you honestly think they are just gonna stop doing this because
everyone else wants them to restrict it to just one group?  Their posts are
made as a form of propaganda for their beliefs, and they are _not_ going to
self-limit the distribution of this propaganda.  So, IMHO, the net result of
your proposal would be:

1) the Holocaust group would contain posts, pro and con the revisionist material

and

2) all the "regular" groups currently "infested" with Holocaust postings would
_still_ receive posts from b-cpu-types, which would continue to generate 
discussion among their readers.

So, I would predict that the net result would be even _more_ "bandwidth wastage"
than before.

> 
> 
>Mortal@netcom.com

Just my .02 worth.
> 
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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: JPFO Jews ("anti-Semites"??) *AGREE* with "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?"!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:18:42 GMT
Organization: Summit NJ

In article <gate.kg5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston aka Shitbrain) writes:

Ralphie,

By your own admission, you agreed that hatred type postings do not
qualify for protection under the Freedom of Speech.

So then, why after saying it, do you then turn right around and post
yet another anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi article?

And re:

>UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look dickhead, I told you to get rid of this anti-Semitic trailer on
your postings.  Are you going to be a good neo-Nazi, anti-Semite and
do it already?

-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: THE HOAXER PROJECT, Ralph spews out 2842 lines of garbage!
Organization: The World
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:52:13 GMT


From: cwilkins@irscscm.UUCP (Charlie Wilkinson)
>As much as Ralph may piss you (and me) off, we *NEED* people like him to keep
>the rest of us honest.

I disagree.

We may need people with some commitment to honest scholarship to raise
hard questions, we do not need people like Ralph et al who are cynical
and bald-faced liars and prevaricators who, when confronted with
compelling refutation of their claims, choose to simply ignore the
contradictory evidence and hope there's a bigger fool to prey on by
merely repeating their lies, knowing full well they are lies (which I
am certain they do know.)

Seriously, how long would you entertain a flat-earther, for example?
How long would you bother to try to explain to repetitive posts from a
flat-earther ignoring all evidence refuting his claims?

That's what we have here, except of a more odious variety.

Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out of your head.

These people have no valid point whatsoever, worse, their goal is mere
vicious propaganda, not truth or discourse.

If we are to have any respect for the truth at all and the compulsion
of evidence as a necessary foundation of civilization they must be
shunned and mocked as dangerous fools (note my careful choice of words
here), not defended as people with a different and unpopular
viewpoint, that's just puerile nihilism.

There is no need to suffer an idiot and treat him as respectable, no
need whatsoever.

--
        -Barry Shein

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From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)
Subject: Re: "Deep Throat", who was he?
Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:44:59 GMT

In article <15930005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, hypes@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:
> 
>  I believe I read a blurb somewhere - don't know where, don't know when -
>  quoting Woodward as directly saying that Deep Throat was a composite of
>  several people.
> 
"The J.Edgar Hoover Story, makes a good argument that Deep Throat was 
someone from the FBI. Hoover had plenty of reasons to hate Nixon because
of his co-option of control of the FBI's spying activities. Hoover 
most likely had Nixon's office bugged, and used someone to pass on the
info he had gathered in order to damage Nixon. Several attempts to 
deduce who Deep Throat was by co-ordinating spilled information, with 
who knew it have failed. It seems that all suspects were aware of some 
of the leaked information, but nobody knew all of it, except Nixon.

                                                Larry Mayo
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From: reus@klein.euromath.dk (Jens Peter Reus Christensen)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: More Antisemitic lies From B-CPU
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:10:37 GMT
Organization: University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Math.


   "Ralph Winston" (an alias for Maynard, the sysop):

   ------------------------------------------------------------
   
   The Polish Institute had to
   kiss up to the Zionists and be Politically Correct by pretending not to
   know that simple fact.
   ---------------------------------------------------------



   "George Martin":

   ----------------------------------------------------------
   In article <RaFLiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP# gmartin@b-cpu.UUCP (George Martin) writes:

   #From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
   #
   #No. A shameless lie. The Polish institute completely disagrees with
   #Lechteur's conclusions. Not surprisingly, Winston says it is because
   #"they are kissing up to the Zionists", Gee, I didn't know the
   #Zionists rule Poland.
   #
   ???????????????????????????????????????????????
   Poland needs money to rebuild its country.  The Zionists have control
   of much of the international banks.  You can fill in the blanks.
   ???????????????????????????????????????????????
   ----------------------------------------------------------

   Usuall Jew hating propaganda. Someone does not agree with their absurd
   "scientific findings", they blame the Zionist connection. Old Nazi
   trash.

   -Danny Keren.


***************

Pitty I do not know how to send a sermon to Ralph Winston. He needs to
repend no doubt!

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From: as081@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve R. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Moment of Terror is the Beginning of Life
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:37:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr8.233731.3504
Reply-To: as081@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve R. Smith)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says:

>In article <1992Mar27.002051.643@pages.com> bruce@pages.com (Bruce Henderson) writes:
>>And it helps to know who you want to hunt down with that hi-powered Uzi...
>
>What "hi-powered Uzi"?  (Hint: NO Uzi is hi-powered.  They're merely
>big ugly handguns.)
>

Well, I guess you'll get the last laugh when all those low-powered
bullets bounce off yer skull, eh?  Hmm....

						5+e\/e


-- 
/'''      I could say "Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"    ```\
c-OO      And everybody'd know what I was talking about.          OO-)
   \      I mean everybody here would know *exactly* what I was   /
  -          talking about.       --Paul Simon                     -
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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SWAN SONG
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:42:24 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

> #....Mahler should be the Jewish
> #idol, Mendelssohn second.  The fact that they both converted
> #to Christianity is beside the point; God only knows the
> #intense pressures there.
> #Pete Faust
> #Institute for Relearning

That institute has a suitable name, one certainly needs relearning
is one thinks that musical taste has to do with race, color or sex.

Cheers,
Kent
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:25:10 EDT

Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:

>  -=> Quoting Gary Stollman to All <=-
> 
>  GS> WELL, it has been a strange three months here in LA...God is
>  GS> continuing to  wipe out the demons that have tried to destroy my
>  GS> family, and I have great  hope for my future now...It looks like we
>  GS> just might win!!  But the impact  on my psyche is irreversible, I'm
>  GS> afraid...I just don't know what these  aliens will come up with
>  GS> next...They have the phones tapped to the gills,  and the CIA has most
> 
> I am sure within the next ten years...you'll write a book laughing at
> all the fun you have had in coming up with your nutzoid theories and
> 'public warnings'.  You have already showed the classic signs of
> exploitism and exhibitions of false mental illness (though I am sure there
> are plenty here who would debate that your are indeed genuinely ill).
> Enjoy the superficial sympathies and popluarity, however unwarranted.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> ... How come the AT&T symbol looks like the Death Star?

*****
Unlike what you "might" believe, I take this all VERY seriously...Think 
about it...I risked my LIFE to get my message out to people...I could 
easily have been shot dead by some crazy gun-happy cop in the studio...But 
I planned it out too carefully for that to happen...Still, it was risking 
my life to save my species...I made the "ultimate sacrifice"...You will 
learn more in a few days...

        Gary

 This is from
     garys@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yet
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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: IHR Scores Stunning Victory in $11 Million Mermelstein Trial!
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.024102.7404@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.165207.23234@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu
>(Danny Keren) writes:
>>In article <gate.e30TiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP# ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP
>(Ralph Winston) writes:
>>
>>Hey, Ralphie, read this and WEEP, baby, WEEP!
>>
>
>Strategy # 3: ``The weep accusation''
>
>(Hopefully you are following me. At one stage you will
>learn a good piece of information about your own
>thinking process. )

Maybe you don't understand English.  Danny's saying that he has 
something, that when Ralph reads it, it will show that Ralph
(the person who distributes anti-Semitic White-Supremicist) literature
is wrong, where Danny has been right all along.

>Have nothing against strategies, but when strategies interfere
>with ethics, we have a war.
Please tell me what you think about the 'strategies' of the B-CPU,
which is a front for white-Supremicist and anti-Semitic hate groups.

Which strategy is it not to give ones real names, not to answer question,
to post the same garbabe over and over, to post advertisements as
if they were news?


>-- 
>George Hassoun
>University of Adelaide, EEE Dpt.
>Adelaide, South Australia
>email: ghassoun@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au      Phone:(08) 228 5468

Please think before you post and make a fool of yourself again.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: David.Choweller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Choweller)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:03:52 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


In an book review dating from the 60's Gore Vidal claims that
American troops participated in the genocide of 3 million Filipinos
at the "turn of the century."  I've never heard of this before.  Did this
happen, and how widely accepted is this alleged fact?  I don't have the exact
title of the article because I was just given a photocopy of it, but it's
a review of a book about West Point.  Vidal spends almost not time reviewing
the book, but expounds his own theories on how the people at West Point have
been responsible for building America's "empire" throughout the world.
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 23:04:53 -0400 
From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate

>     Arno J. Mayer, chaired professor of European history at Princeton
>University, has written in his _Why the Heavens Did Not Darken_, that
>at Auschwitz more people died of "natural causes" than were killed. 
>Mayer is a Jew and himself a refugee from the Nazi regime.

Yes, fine evidence of the quality of prisoner treatment in the Third
Reich.  Regardless, it dosen't refute the happening of the holocaust.

Allan
-------------------------------------
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ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu
"Give, expecting nothing thereof."
All opinions are those of the author.
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From: ees2as@ee.surrey.ac.uk (A Shafarenko)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,alt.activism,sci.research
Subject: Re: THE HOAXER PROJECT REPORT (Racist and Anti-Semitic Hoaxes and more!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:10:18 GMT
Reply-To: ees2as@ee.surrey.ac.uk (A Shafarenko)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England

Ralf>>

[staff deleted]

     Writing about this problem in his nationally syndicated column in
January 1988, conservative columnist PATRICK J. BUCHANAN referred to
Prof. WILLIAM WILBANKS, professor of criminal justice at Florida
International University and author of _The Myth of a Racist Criminal
Justice System_.  Here is what the professor found, buried in the
nation's crime statistics:

     "There is interracial violence in America.  In 1985, 629,000
     interracial crimes were reported (where victims survived to
     identify the criminal); but nine out of ten were committed by
     blacks against whites.  Where white criminals, 98 percent of the
     time, prey on other whites -- to rape, rob and assault -- black
     criminals chose fellow blacks as victims less than half the time.
     Black criminals seem to prefer attacking white people.  While only
     2 percent of the victims chosen by white criminals are black, more
     than 50 percent of the victims targeted by black criminals -- to
     rape, rob and assault -- are white."

.....

Fine, I've never heard an absurdity of a more refined sort. In fact, being 
professor in the U.S. doesn't necessarily mean being numerate. The professor
simply can't do numbers -- yeah, he's not a mathematician, he's a lawyer. Good...

Also if you are blinded with hatered nothing matters, 2+2=4, 5? maybe 7?...

Look, Ralf, the black people in America are a minority, say 10% (doesn't matter
how many exactly). *Suppose* black criminals are not racists at all, meaning
they don't give a shit whether the fella they want to kill is white or black.
Take a guy from the crowd and kill him. Now look, the chances are 90% he is 
white!! So,-- you have guessed, silly thing, -- a perfectly unprejudiced criminal
will kill 9 whites for 1 black, just because blacks are a 10% minority. 20%?
Okay, okay, then 8 whites for two blacks. 

Now you may wonder, mindless creature, why the figure is 50% not 80 or 90% of 
white victism of black criminals. That's simple, boy, because some of black
criminals live in black ghettos, which whites sort of created for
them out of their good hearts I guess, and therefore THEY SIMPLY HAVE MORE CHANCES
TO OFFEND A BLACK PERSON AROUND. 

It must be clear by now that the sort of comparison presented by Prof Wilbanks,
the bigot, can prove that black criminals prefer black victims as easily as 
the venerable professor thinks it proves they prefer to kill whites. 

Can't comment on the rest of the text. Feel like vomiting. Folks, this is a
sci.research group I believe, not nazi.coming.coming.coming.

--Alex