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From: anandam@eng.auburn.edu (Ananda K. Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Hindu Digest.
Date: 1 Jan 1993 16:53:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



I appreciate the approach  of Paul  regarding the Digest  issue and also his 
suggestion for it.Good work Paul and keep it up! 


Anand.
From: shadagop@remus.rutgers.edu (Narayanan Shadagopan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: A Book on Kerala History
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:18:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <9212222117.AA26382@itsa.ucsf.EDU>, sredhar@itsa.ucsf.EDU (Sunil Sreedharan) writes:
> Someone had requested information on books written about Kerala history.
> One book that I highly recommend (although I can't vouch for its accuracy
> as I haven't lived long in Kerala and don't know all that much about Kerala,
> etc, etc) is "The Decline of Nayar Dominence: Society and Politics in
> Travancore, 1847-1908 - Robin Jeffrey, Holmes & Meier Publishers, New York,

Sorry, if this was already posted, but a very interesting collection of
legends and folklore of Kerala can be found in K. Sankunni's
"Aitheehyamala". As far as I know it has not been translated (but I am
an idiot so don't my word for it.) 

-Narayanan Shadagopan
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E-mail: shadagop@central.rutgers.edu
From: bapr7@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jansen Jacob)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Merry Christmas to you all
Date: 25 Dec 92 12:17:38 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


	Merry Christmas to all you ackers out there and hope you
have a wonderful New Year.

///Jansen
From: eswaran3372@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Any kadammanitta fans? ( NOT A FAN)
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:40:51 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <199212240122.AA07714@mp.cs.niu.edu>, t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar) writes:
> 
> 
> Thank you Eswaran, for quoting a few lines from Shanta. 

No problem Bijoy, you are quite welcome.

> Can anyone here suggest good translations of Malayalam
> poetry that I should try to read?

One name that comes to my mind is Prof. Sachidanandan. I am sure
he had given a sincere effort to translate some poems. But I am
not sure about the content of them (GuruNinda porukkannam).
Wait a minute! Here is another name: Prof. Ayyappa Panicker. You
may want to try his works too.


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TO TRANSLATE IS TO BETRAY. TRANSLATIONS ARE LIKE WOMEN: IF THEY ARE 

BAEUTIFUL THEN THEY ARE NOT FAITHFUL; IF THEY ARE FAITHFUL, THEN

THEY ARE NOT BEAUTIFUL.

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From: RENJIT DARWIN <RENJIT_D1@blrv1.verifone.com>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: MONISHA UNNI's DEMISE
Date: 3 Jan 1993 22:54:14 -0600
Organization: VeriFone
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

All,
I hope everyone on board had heard of Malayalam actress and Urvashi award
winner Monisha's sudden demise...! In case anyone missed it, here is the
news..
Monisha (she won the urvashi award for her performance in
'NAKHASHATHANGAL') was killed at Cherthalla (Alleppy Dist) when the car
she was travelling skidded off the road bounced over the road divider and
crashed into a speeding Bus! She was on the way from Trivandrum to Cochin.
Her mother, who was travelling with her escaped hurt, but the car driver
died on the spot! Monisha died on reaching the local hospital. (This
accident happened sometime in the first week of December.)
Any way...Malayalam film feild has lost a wonderful young performer...!
MAY HER SOUL REST IN PEACE....!

Renjit
From: sredhar@itsa.ucsf.EDU (Sunil Sreedharan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: A Book on Kerala History
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:18:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Someone had requested information on books written about Kerala history.
One book that I highly recommend (although I can't vouch for its accuracy
as I haven't lived long in Kerala and don't know all that much about Kerala,
etc, etc) is "The Decline of Nayar Dominence: Society and Politics in
Travancore, 1847-1908 - Robin Jeffrey, Holmes & Meier Publishers, New York,
1976".  It is a fascinating book about the jockeying for power among the
various castes and religions in 19th century Kerala and appears to be rather
unbiased.  Then there is a travelogue by George Woodcock called "Kerala" (I
believe).  Recently while browsing at a local bookstore I found a translation
of the memoirs of Ibn Batuta who was a famous Arab Explorer?Soldier?Statesman
and had traveled through Africa, India and Southeast Asia during the Middle
Ages.  Anyway, there was quite a bit about his stay at Calicut (where I'm
from) and the local history at that time.  I look forward to hearing from
others in the net about books they might have read.

Sunil Sreedharan
sredhar@itsa.ucsf.edu
From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Happy New Year! Happy 1993! NavatsarAshamsakaL!
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:58:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


        PutuvarShappularitan pookkaL viriyumbOL
                Putiyoru lOkattin vAtil tuRakkumbOL
        PutumalaR gandhavum, puttEn madhuravum
                Poonkuyil nAdavum nERnniTaTTe!


                                       --- Narayanan






        (As buds of the new year bloom
                As doors open to a new world
         I wish you the fragrance of new flowers,
		Sweetness of fresh honey, and
                Music of dulcet kuyil)


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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***ChalaChitra Lookam***
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:58:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

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	Movie			*ing				Comments
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
yhezara(71/2)Ponnana      Jayaram,SaiKumar,Kanakka               ****
                        Jagathy,Thilakan,Siddique         Some good Songs.
                        Pappu,KPAC,Kunjan,Mammukoya             Drama

Music: Kaithaprom
Padiyathu: Yesudas, Chitra,Sujatha,Anto
Katha,Direction : Thulasidas
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Aaparatha             Sriram,Rahman,Urvashi,Sukumari             ***
                    KPAC,Jagathy,Innacent,Kunjan,Nedumudi      Standard IV Sasi
                    Mammukoya,Unnimary,Soman,Siddique         Masala movie
                    Jagannath Verma,Sunny                     
Music: Ilayaraja
Padiyathu: Yesudas
Katha,Screenplay,dialogue : SreeKumaran Thampi
Dir: I V Sasi
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Kanal Kattu          Mammooty,Murali,Shari,Urvashi              **1/2
                    Sankaradi,Innacent,Oduivil,Jayaram        Weak plot.
                    Mammukoya.                                Drama

Story: Lohidas
Music: Kaithaprom
Padiyathu: Yesudas
Dir: Sathyan Anthikkad
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Aanaval Mothirom     Suresh Gopi,Srinivasan,Sunny,             ****
                    Karamana Janardhanan,Jaganatha Verma     Comedy/Action

Music: Johnson
Dir: G.S.Vijayan
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Maalyogam            Murali,Mukesh,Mammukoya,Oduvil           **1/2
                   Thilakan,Jayaram,Innacent,Parvathy         Comedy.
                   Jagadish,Philomina,Ganesh,Raju           Weak story line
Katha: Lohidas                                              Good Songs
Music: Kaithaprom
Padiyathu: M.G.Srikumar,Balagopalan Thampi
Dir : Sibi MAlayil
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Kallan Kappalil     Ashokan,Siddique,Raju,Maala               **
Thannae            Sukumari,Kunjan,Jagadish                  Comedy

Katha : Hariharan
Music/: R.K.Damodaran
Padiyathu : Yesudas, S.Janaki
Dir : Prasanth
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Rating on a scale from * to ***** ; where * is poor
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Wild musings on a New year's eve:-)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:17:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



This is concerning the postings about the spelling of Malayalam names
of places. I, for one, feel more comfortable with Kerala and Trivandrum
than with Keralam and Thiruanandapooram. A.c.k should kkep itself
open to everyone who is interested in the culture of Kerala irrespective
of their own culture/language.

I have been thinking lately about my experiences with my grandmother
and her relatives during my short visits to the states when I was a kid.
The last time I visited Kerala was in 1984, when I was 15. And that time
I was too small to be interested in learning about the history of my 
family or similar things. Looking back, I feel saddened by the lost
opportunities.

When I grew up, I spent a lot of time with the histroty of Chittagong
and other parts of Bangladesh with which I have deep connections. 
Somehow, I did not pay so much attention to my Kerala ancestry. My grand
mother who spoke better Urdu than I ever would, lived all her youth in
Lahore, Karachi and other cities of undivided India before returning to
kerala in the early 1940s. While stories of the family were discussed
in the history books, I never could get a good picture of that life.
On the other hand, as a child when I visited Kerala, I was more inclined
to complain about the things I did not like, like the way people 
criticize me, or the way they practiced sexual seggregation there.

Alt.culture.kerala and (hopefully soon) soc.culture.lang.bengali
really help me in finding a historical identity that I lack.
While I love Kerala and Bengal equally, I never could decide where to 
lean to, for my identity ( Paul, I guess you will have some comments there,
after reading your " Make me a Bengali" posting:-)-) 

So, let's keep this newsgroup open for everyone who likes kerala and
its culture, even those who do not know it well. If we try to keep
it so narrow as to make it appealing only to real-Malayalees, a lot
of Kerala lovers will feel lost.

Happy new year to all,
Subho nobo borsha,

Bijoy Sagar
******************************************************************************
A splendid fellow, as far north as the neck, beyond that, solid concrete.
- Jeeves:-)
******************************************************************************
.
 
a short while
From: sathi@cco.caltech.edu (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: appropriate technology
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:10:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: coil.caltech.edu
Keywords: smabhar

	While I was studying as an undergrad in India,
I remember learning about appropriate technology. Where
"foreign" technology was altered to suit Indian conditions.
The main reasons for this may be 1) prohibitive cost of
foreign technology, 2) uselessness of foreign technology
in the Indian context, etc.

	I was thinking about this one day while I was
pondering over how to make sambhar. I don't have a car to
go to the Indian store and buy dal regularly. Sambhar
powder doesn't have to be used as heavily as dal. So most
of the trips to the Indian store is just to buy the dal. 
And for me, the nearest Indian store involves cylcling 3 miles
(downhill one-way and uphill coming back). When I think about
the uphill climb once a week or so (for dal), I feel 
awful.

	It was then I decided to adapt to the American 
grocery store. No, I would not give up sambhar, but I would
modify it to prevent me from cycling all that distance
to the Indian store. 

	In short, what I did was use split green peas for
making sambhar, rather than use the dal from the Indian store.
Taste-wise, it doesn't make a difference, as the taste in the
sambhar is provided by the powder. The split green peas
is cooked the same way you would cook ordinary dal.
No difference at all. And cost wise, it is cheaper than
the regular "orange" dal. And very easily available.

	I was wondering if anyone else has tried this out?

TATA!
Sateesh
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who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
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From: itchy.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: puthuvarsham, pazhay joely
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:19:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchy.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@itchy


	
	HAPPY  NEW  YEAR !!!!!!

SEE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR!!!!     SAME TIME, SAME PLACE!!!!!


TATA!
Sateesh
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		| Sateesh Pillai			
		| 128-95, Caltech
who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
		| (818) 564-1225
From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Hindu Digest on ack
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:55:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


 1] Stay Cool :-)  on Hindu digest!

I don't think there is any reason for indicting Raj personally on this
issue. While I admit I don't want to see Hindu Digest on ACK (I
*personally* don't agree with some of the things included in it, but
do read it faithfully on alt.hindu, SCI, etc.), I wouldn't recommend
flooding the digest editor's mail box. I also think the reply an
editor gave was "paranoid" or "childish", but I wouldn't recmmend
responding similarly.

If the editor(s) refuse(s) to desist from posting it on ACK, we should
send [I mean one of us (that means Paul :-) should send] a polite mail
to the editor conveying the overwhelming feeling among ACKers against
it. This reply can be sent in response to each Hindu Digest posting,
but no more. Ignoring the article is easy and civil enough not to
resort to anything less civil.

Just my personal opinion!

PJN

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan)
Subject: Re: Keeping a.c.k. clean & all that jazz.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:24:45 GMT

As the person who committed the "sin" of responding to the
Hindu Digest material, I apologize if I have started a discussion.
I think I was "key-board" happy for a while :-)

I also thought about writing just a line or two telling the person
who posted it to keep the material out of a.c.k. But this
is an unmoderated group, we cannot shut-out people from
posting. Probably we should ask Raj Bhatnagar, who posted it
to refrain from doing so in the future, since we feel
that there is a broad consensus in the newsgroup in that
direction. If anybody wants to read their digest, they can read it
in alt.hinduism, which is created for that purpose.

If Paul cannot contact Raj, I can do the job of conveying our
reaction.

Arun
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Now Acker List through Mail.
Date: 27 Dec 1992 03:44:44 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


The Acker List file has grown too large to be used as a weekly posting.
It will now be available by automatic mail server.

If and when you want to access the list of people who read or use a.c.k.
send mail to paulchem@ucsu.colorado.edu with
'ACKERLIST SEND'
in the subject line.
The body of the letter will be ignored, as it is being handled by a
program.

If a system does not respond to the mail, after a day, send me mail
at paulchem@tigger.cs.colorado.edu

Now, to clear up some confusion:

I am physically at washington, d.c., My boulder accounts are still
active and I access them through telnet when I need to.
Mail from my boulder accounts are forwarded to me differently 
depending on the nature of the subject line and the machine used.

All a.c.k. mailserv (news by mail) comments, subscriptions and
revoking should be sent to  paulchem@ucsu.colorado.edu.
To access the acker list mail to same address with appropriate
subject line.


For other mail please use paulchem@tigger.cs.colorado.edu.

Whew! Back to our regular programming. :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: thomman@joseph.me.uiuc.edu (Thomas Jolly)
Subject: A Genuine Dilemma !!
Organization: Control Systems Design and Applications Laboratory
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:38:38 GMT

	First-Time ACKer -- pardon my lack of posting ethics. 

	The topic of how ones spouse is to be referred to seems to
have sparked interest among some ACKers, and I've decided to add my
"naalu paisa's" worth.
	Lets face it -- in this day and age we cannot afford to be 
so ignorant as to think that calling ones wife (from a male viewpoint, 
obviously)  "Edee" or "Nnee" indicates disrespect in any shape or form. 
I think Malayalam has been gifted (for that matter, so have most 
Indian languages) with grammatical rules (call it what you may) that 
discerns various classes, either by way of social standing or by 
chronological age. Perhaps our "caste" system called for this. 
	I would like to think that the use of "Edee" or "Edaa" is 
based on ones age in relation to the other rather than out of disrespect.  
Being older than my wife by n number of years, I sometimes refer to 
her as "edee", and it invites much less negative attention from her 
compared to what I get if I were to refer to her as "darling" or 
"ente preeyae" or "ente ponnumol" or whatever :-)
 	As pointed out earlier, marriage is all about sharing, caring, 
etc. etc. and there is much more to it than worrying about what to 
call ones spouse.

	- Thomman

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If you are not part of the solution,
	then you are part of the precipitate.
				-  Thomman
					circa 1990
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Navavalsarashamsakal!!
Date: 31 Dec 1992 11:19:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Wishing you all ACKers a very happy New Year!!!

Ajit.
From: vallath@vishnu.labs.tek.com (Vallath Nandakumar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: buddhists etc
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:12:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


The temple at Kodungallur has the Bhagavati, who is also
referred to as the Ottamulachi, the one-breasted, probably
referring to Kannagi.  Kannagi tore off one of her breasts in the
legend.  And part of Kannagi's story took place in Vanchi,
which is somewhere in Kerala.

Speculation on:

I just remembered that in Kannagi's story many of the people were
Jains, including Kannagi.  I wonder whether Buddhists and Jains
got mixed up somewhere: for example, were the vulgar songs meant to
scare away Jain monks, and not Buddhists?  Also the author of
Kannagi's story (Shilappadikaaram) was Ilango-v-Adigal, a
Jain, and Ilango
could refer to Ilanka, the Tamil (and probably old Malayalam)
way of saying Lanka.  And Buddhism was (and still is) popular
in Sri Lanka.

Also I wonder if there is a correlation between the martial
art learning in Buddhist monasteries in China, Korea and
Japan, and the martial art training among the Theeyars of the
"Vadakkanpaatukal"?

Just speculation on my part.
Vallath Nandakumar

Profile:  Vallath Nandakumar, school education mostly in 
Thiruvanathapuram (Trivandrum), Kerala, in various English medium
schools (and even Hindi medium Kendriya Vidyalaya).  Now working at
Tektronix in Oregon.  

Likes about Kerala:  Scenery, coastal climate, avial and
banana chips, pretty girls in Mundu going to temple (purely
from an aesthetic point of view, I am married!), old houses,
listening to Nagaswaram in the immaculate temple courtyards as
dusk is falling, appam and meat curry on Christmas morning,
unpretentious people.

Dislikes about Kerala:  Nosy people, frequently rude public
servants, horrible state of the industry and economy.
From: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: what shall i call him
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:13:14 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph)
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: GE Research


In article <1992Dec22.233700.22864@leland.Stanford.EDU>, kochumol@leland.Stanford.EDU (anna geevarghese) writes:
>
>I read a lot of articles regarding the addressing between the spouses.
>I never realised the fact that calling `edee' is accepted in our society.
>The word or the tone in which it is used is not that matters.
>What if I ask you, all the men, how will you feel if your wife
>calls you `edaa bharthave' ?
>
>Addressing the wife `edee' shows the attitude of the men in our society.
>They feel that a woman is married in to the family to be a subordinate
>to everyone in the man's family catering to all of them, work as a servant,
>suffer the mother-in-law and the sisters-in-law and in the process of
>entering the family bring some caution deposit(as someone had mentioned
>in one of his earlier articles). 
>The society has to change and feel that all are equal.
>Marriages are to share, not to rule.

   You got it all wrong, Anna.  The reason *I* call my wife 'edee'
has nothing to do with equality or lack of it.  I call
my little sister 'edee' too.  (Actually, I call her 'edee pottassae',
meaning 'edee dumb-bell'.  I refer to my sister as a 'pottas' when I
feel most affectionate to her.)  I call my wife edee because I feel
that she is part of the family.  She is on par with my little sister.
Meaning that, she is younger than I am, and she is part of the family.
None of my younger brothers would call my wife edee.  They all refer
to her as 'chaechi', just as they would refer to their older sister as
chaechi.

   There may be families where the woman is treated as all of the
terrible things you refer to above.  But most families I know,
including mine, don't do those things. Picking on calling her 'edee'
is just nit-picking. There are no negative connotations to it.

james joseph             joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala