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From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:40:01 GMT

lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser) writes:

>Yes, and that is to be thankful for.  These seem to be mostly
>havens for junk food.  I can buy all the potato chips and
>Twinkies (tm) I want there, but what about decent, non-processed
>stuff?  Also, these places create low-paying, dead-end jobs,

But is this necessarily so? I think it would be helpful if at least super-
markets were open until at least 20:00 every day. Sometimes I don't find
the time to do some necessary shopping, or simply forget to do so (or rather
forget about the time). When I was in England, there were a Tesco's and a
Sainsbury's nearby which were open until 8pm and until 6pm every satur-
day, where not only junk food was sold. Also in Sweden I found regular
supermarkets open until 22:00 or even midnight. Very convenient.

But liberalising shop opening hours is politically impossible: the trade
unions don't want it, so the social democrats wouldn't agree, and the cur-
rent opening hours suit the conservative ideology, where everybody is
supposed to have a wife at home who can do the shopping during daytime,
so the conservatives won't change anything, too.

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From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Fascist Parties in G.
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:51:47 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

In article <1992Aug19.024015.26495@mcshh.Hanse.DE> chl@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Carsten Lechte) writes:
>
> 
>The Republikaner, the only (?) politically successful right-radical party
>are not, as far as I can gather, a fascist party. They are intolerant etc,
>I don't like them, but they are as moderate as you have to be in these
>times. And you have to take into account that people often vote
>Republikaner because they are not happy with the way the 'big' parties
>handle things. They will come back to the 'big' parties once these have
>solutions (if ever).
> 
The Republikaner are a fascist party! And unfortunately they are not the
only successful right-radical party. I would count the CSU as right-radical
but that is of course only my opinion. 

Beatrice
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 22:45:03 CDT
From: Irene Marquez <U37533@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS: Are Americans stupid?
 <92228.142751U37533@uicvm.uic.edu> <jsamuels.2@lawlab_2.vill.edu>

In article <jsamuels.2@lawlab_2.vill.edu>, jsamuels@lawlab_2.vill.edu (Jeffrey
Samuelson) says:

    [  ... stuff deleted ... ]

im> *whisper* >>>  It's makes us look kinda stupid.  I think they
im> already have that impression of us.  We don't need to reinforce
im> it, do we?

js>                2+2=3   3+3=5   3+6=32



js> Are we stupid?  I thought just sort of dumb & lovable excepting those of us
js>who vote Republican.


    Jeff,  you're absolutely right.  I stand corrected; most of us
    are sorta dumb and sometimes lovable.  Too bad it seems to be
    the rule and not tbe exception.

    i.
From: lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:21:01 EST
Organization: Test PLease ignore

In article <ALTI.92Aug17155811@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) writes:

> However, by reading your mail I get the impression that there are
> enough idiots in the US.

Correct!

> If you are so happy with everything in the US why do you bother to
> post this junk to soc.culture.german ? Supposingly you get sexually
> aroused by offending people.

I think you've hit on something here, somewhat like Till pointed out.
Carasso is the Howard Stern of the net, except that Howard Stern is
sometimes funny.  Carasso used to be, but I think he's too obsessed
now with gaining world-renown, and his posts are often shocking but
usually not very funny.

For those who don't know about HS: he's a "shock-jock" on NY radio,
whose show is also broadcast in LA, Washington, and Philadelphia.
Like him or hate him, sooner or later everyone will know who Howard
Stern is.

Ed
From: wrs@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Wolfgang R. Schulz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Temporary dwellings in Hamburg
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:55:01 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg

I.Glendinning@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Ian Glendinning) writes:

>Hi,
>   while I was in Hamburg over the weekend I noticed what appeared to be
>blocks of temporary dwellings, made out of freight container sized units,
>stacked up on floating bases.  This was on the north bank of the Elbe,
>between Fischereihafen and Neumuehlen (just opposite the Kneipe "Zwiebel".)
>Can anyone from that part of the world tell me exactly what these places
>are?  I guessed that they might be accommodation for Asylbewerber or some
>such thing, as there certainly seemed to be a lot of people of rather mixed
>ethnic background wandering around.
>   Ian

Ian:
You are exactly right. Like many spots in town now, trailers, tents,
containers, boats and even those ships you saw on the river are for
refugees, asylum seeking persons or "supposed-to have-german-ancestors"
people from former USSR, Romania, Poland etc. In addition to that, as
the city does not know where to give them accomodation since the
Bosnian/Herzogovenians pore in also in the numbers of thousand, they
live in hotels also, payed by the city. With the germans, still coming
in the number of 30,000 every month from former East Germany, there is
absolutely no appartment, flat or hole available anymore. Try to find
one! 
Regards,
Wolfgang
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Native Americans
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

MK>ritz@brtph95.bnr.ca (Charles Ritz P215) writes:
MK>>    Comparing the Nazi atrocities to the United States policies
MK>> towards Native Americans is specious at best for many reasons.

MK>While I agree that there are significant differences in motivation and
MK>execution, I do not agree with the general tone of your note.  Most
MK>shockingly, to read your note, there is no difference at all between
MK>the extermination of the Jews and the extermination of the Indians.

MK>        You claim the indians were massacred because they didn't deserve
MK>        to continue as a people.  That sounds amazingly like the reason
MK>        for the slaughter for the Jews (or any of a hundred other cultures
MK>        that have been the targets of genocide).

MK>Genocide has nothing to do with Germans or Americans or Jews or Indians.
MK>It has to do with people who think that other people are less important
MK>than themselves.  If you can support any aspect of any genocide, you
MK>carry the seed of all genocides.  The belief that you are somehow different,
MK>and that your situation entitles you to do things that others should not
MK>defeats the safeguards of humanity.  You are much closer to Hitler than
MK>you think.

Great! Much better expressed, than I could. It's so important, that it
had to be quoted. The very early beginnings of fascism/racism/nazism are
seen everywhere.

greetinx, Carl.

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From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Hope me helped
Summary: Martinsried is close to Munich.
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:32:03 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system

In article <1992Aug18.134712.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, zheng@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> 
>                                            18, 08, 1992  in Helsinki
> 
> Hello, everyone,
> 
> 
> I am a chinese living in Helsinki Finland, I am planning to visit
> a germany ssmall city called MARTINSRIED, It's post-code is 8033,
> but I don't know anything about it.
> 
> ...

Martinsried is close to Munich (it's postal code already shows that: 8033).
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From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.)
Subject: Re: Dr. = Dr. ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:17:00 GMT

In article <pebi.714416650@zephyr.aem.umn.edu>, pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes...
>jfadams@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James F Adams) writes:
> 
>>Hello s.c.g Users!
> 
>>Having recently completed a graduate degree (Ph.D) at an American university, I
>>heard it is necessary to have the academic title recognized in order to use it 
>>in Germany.  The culture or education ministry of the particular federal state 
>>is responsible for this (such as the Ministerium fuer Wissenschaft und 
>>Weiterbildung Rheinland-Pfalz).  I have written to them and received an answer 
>>as to the information I must provide to apply, but I am curious whether anyone 
>>on the Net has any experience with this kind of application.  In particular:
>>1. How long does it take ?
>>2. How much does it cost ?
>>3. Has anyone has any problem with it?
> 
>>(I post this in English, since some American readers interested in working in 
>>Germany may also want to find out...)
> 
>>Thanks in advance !
> 
>>James Adams                                DON'T respond to electronic
> 
>Hi
> 
>As far as a know that is different from Bundesland to Bundesland. I have
>a friend who moved to Krefeld and he said it was no problem. I don't
>know how long it took (but not very long - think he had it 6 month after he
>left, but I don't know when he applied), but it kost him 120 DM and now
>he can use Dr.-Ing. (USA) as a title. This is not so easy in Baden Wuerttemberg.
>I heard there it is a longer process and the cost was more like 1000 DM.
> 
>I would be interested to hear more about it too. I might need it later too.
> 
>Cheers,
> 
>Peter
> 
> 
>		                                                               
>===============================================================================
>Peter Bidian					     Internet: pebi@aem.umn.edu
>Dept. of Aerospace Eng.				     Bitnet:    AE02022@UMNACVX
>University of Minnesota				     phone:      (612) 625-1346
>===============================================================================
In Bavaria, the 'Ministerium fuer Unterricht und Kultus' (Education Ministery)
will only allow you to use the US degree in Germany (I think the fee is about
150 DM), i.e. you can call yourself a Ph.D. (most germans will think this means
you have a doctorate in philosophy or in education sciences, i.e. Dr. phil.).
If you do not reside in Germany, the authority to recognize your degree rest 
with the Ministery for Science (and Education ?) in the state of Nordrhein-
Westfalen.  Costs range from DM 50.- to 250.-  You can apply to have your degree
transformed into a German equivalent (takes 'several' months) or just to carry
the US degree 9takes 2-3 months).  I have more info, if desired.

Chris W

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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Made in Germany: requirements
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:53:55 GMT

does somebody know what requirements have to be met for
a product to carry the label "made in Germany"?
does the product have to be made 100% in Germany,
can foreign parts be used etc?

Michael

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: korschi@goofy.uni-mainz.de (Ralf Korschinsky)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:42:46 GMT


Roger David Carasso writes:

>>(blabla) Saying you know about germany is the same as saying you know
>>california, except we have better looking women and our grandfathers
>>weren't fascists.

LUCKY MAN! 
`better looking women` is a question of taste; IMO a good looking woman
doesn`t need to paint her face& shave her legs etc. for some hours each day.

LUCKY MAN!
Does the name `McCarthy` ring a bell ? (THIS IS NO COMPARISON)
As a german citizen, I am aware of the history of my country,
I hope you`re also still knowing of some nasty things the U.S. did,
also before there was the U.S. 

<REMAINDER POLITELY DISCARDED>


KORSCHINSKY@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (IN%)
From: alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:26:45 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:

>I wunder why the stores aren't open later in Germany.
>It seems that some entrepeneur could make a fortune by opening
>a store at later hours for those who wanted to shop later.
>I asked my cousin why the stores aren't open later.
>She said nobody wants to work odd hours.
>What, not even to make money?

My best guess is that the American system is much more geared toward
creating such an (economically) lower class of people who would jump at
the chance to get any job, including one at a 7/11 which pays only
minimum wage (in the States that have one) and forces you to work odd
hours, while the German system provides better/better paying jobs so
the people are not forced to take these types of jobs, and thus there
is no demand for them.

My girlfriend works at a coffee shop in Germany and makes DM 50 for 3
hours work.  My friend works at one here in Canada and makes $5 an
hour.  How much does someone make at Dunkin' Donuts in the US?  Looks
like the Canadian system is modelled after the American one,
unfortunately for us (Canadians).

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From: chl@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Carsten Lechte)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Fascist Parties in G.
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:40:15 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg


carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) writes:

 
> Hi!
>
> CL>>1992: THE NAZI FASCIST PARTIES ARE GROWING IN GERMANY AND ITALY
> CL>>1988: 1/3 OF ALL AUSTRIANS QUESTIONS WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A JEW.
>
> CL>First: there are no fascist PARTIES in Germany, 'cause they are not allowed.
> CL>:-)
>
> Care to explain, what colour the Republikaner, the FAP and the various
> other organisations have? Have you ever read one of their programs?!?
> You should, don't say afterwards: "We did not know that." !!!
 
I don't have to study the programs of those parties to know that I should
not vote for them and to know that I should emigrate or become a terrorist
if ever they came to power.
 
The Republikaner, the only (?) politically successful right-radical party
are not, as far as I can gather, a fascist party. They are intolerant etc,
I don't like them, but they are as moderate as you have to be in these
times. And you have to take into account that people often vote
Republikaner because they are not happy with the way the 'big' parties
handle things. They will come back to the 'big' parties once these have
solutions (if ever).
 
> Besides, fascistic symbols and gestures are verboten by law in Germany.
> I've seen those supposed-to-be-part-of-the-German-DEMOCRATIC-Republic
> people shouting merrily "Sieg Heil! " (2 minor remarks here: This is the
> correct spelling you stupido Carasso, and, I'm sitting in the US, so I'm
> allowed to write it :-| ) and waving their arms to the Hitler-Gruss. The
> police was watching quietfully and protecting them from mean, radical
> lefties.
 
That's the point where my trust in the German jurisdiction begins to waver.
But, is this behaviour of the police representative?
 
I think that most Germans are not able to deal with the subject of fascism
because of the shock that was caused by it. Either they tolerate too much
or they get hysteric and fear a second progrom when the Republikaner reach
6% at elections (I am NOT saying that the Republikaner are harmless or
anything).
 
CL>There is an increasing number of brain-amputated, violent youths who think
> CL>they are neonazis but really are too stupid to understand anything about any
> CL>given ideologie.
>
> Well, this doesn't help me, if I'm get bashed by those not-so-bright
> youngsters.
 
Yes. I meant that these people are not an ideological problem, but a social
one.
 
> CL>And of course there have been other mass murders in history...
>
> Who gives a **** about that? "he did something meaner than me!" This
> does not mean, that your sins are less.
 
This was aimed at the subject "I HATE GERMANY". I only wanted to point out
that virtually everybody can find a reason to hate everybody.
 
It certainly was not meant as an excuse (I thought that was obvious - but
then again, I am only a German).
 
> CL> Solong.
Sowhat.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:5610 soc.culture.europe:7257
From: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: I HATE GERMANY
Keywords: Bigotry, racism
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:24:59 GMT
Organization: 'Be at Peace, and Peace will be with you.'

gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche) writes:
)
)Well, seems to be a typical example what happens if you get your view
)of history and other countries from class B war movies. And the worst
)thing: I am sure if you asked this guy, he'd certainly tell us that
)HE was not bigot, or prejudiced, or racist ...
)
)One of the main reasons for the rise of fascism in Germany (and other
)countries in Europe, for this matter) in the 20s and 30s was ignorance
)about other peoples and cultures. Let's hope the level of ignorance 
)Francis just exposed is not significant for the US ...

1992: THE NAZI FASCIST PARTIES ARE GROWING IN GERMANY AND ITALY
1988: 1/3 OF ALL AUSTRIANS QUESTIONS WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A JEW.

Germany, Italy, Austria, Latvia, and Croatia, are so full of fucking
bastards, and rascists even in this age, and I have no doubt that
they'd welcome an invading Serbian army to do a little ethnic
cleansing, just as the welcomed the German Nazi Bastards of 50 years
ago.

Wake up.  You haven't learned anything but denial.

.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Christopher Lane)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:32:56 GMT

In article <_y6m_na.rdc@netcom.com>
rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) writes:
 
>carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>>Very funny indeed. Why would German not fulfill this requirement?
>>At least, your girlfriend is supposed to get educated in another
>>language than American.
>
>Oh, American is a language?  Apparently you do not speak English.
Hmmmm the English speak english, Americans speak american.
Only an extremely narrow viewed bigot would see his language as being
'english' that generic term Americans have for their universal language
that all the world must speak.
>
>>That makes her belong to the 0.002% of the
>>Americans, who have heard of another language.
And I speak two and i'm american...does that make me in the 0.0001%? GRIN
>
>The reason for knowing anything is based on need.  I argue that
>america is so big that there is seldom a need to deal with foreign
>countries.  European countries are the size of USA states, of which we
>have 50.  Saying you know about germany is the same as saying you know
>california, except we have better looking women and our grandfathers
>weren't fascists.
This would be funny if it weren't so sad.
This sounds like the engineers at my college who claim they don't need
english/writing classes becuase they don't write in their profession.
 
==================================
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netoprbl@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Raleigh , North Carolina, USA
My opinions are my own, the university has no opinions.
Not all Americans are obnoxious twits, just people like Carosso.
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From: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Need translation: computer terms
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 19:11:46 GMT
Distribution: world               
Organization: private UUCP site, Kiel, Germany

wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:
>
> yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt) writes:
>
>
> >I guess you can simply use the english term. I am German, but for most
> >of the words and terms in your list I dont know the German equivalences
> >(joystick, cache, modem). Some have German equivalents ( 9 pin printer=
> >9 nadel-drucker, hard drive=festplatte), but at least in university-type
> >environments the english terms should cause no understanding problems.
> >I dont know about other environments.
>
> There was a discussion about that earlier on here.
>
> Sure most people understand English terms, and many have'nt been translated
> anyway. But forcefully using English terms, if a much more worthwhile
                                              -------------------------
> German one exists, is really bad style.
 -------------------
>
> "Meine Harddisk hatte nen Headcrash, aber Gott sei Dank hatte ich sie
> upgebackt."

Wesentlich besser als:

> "Meine Hartscheibe hatte nen Kopfunfall, aber Gott sei Dank hatte ich sie
> hochgerueckt."    

Es gibt immer Experten, die meinen, sie muessten alles uebersetzen. Das fuehrt
aber fast immer zu Problemen. Man versuche nur einmal, ein Microsoft-Manual (
aeh Handbuch :-) in der deutschen Fassung zu lesen. Im allgemeinen sind
englische Begriffe leichter zu verstehen - insbesondere im sehr technischen
Bereich. "Betriebssystem" ist schon OK auf deutsch, aber der Unterschied
zwischen Erweiterungsspeicher, Expansionsspeicher und Extensionsspeicher wird
durch eine deutsche Uebersetzung auch nicht klarer. Insbesondere, wenn man
ueberall sonst die englischen Begriffe hoert ( Was ist Erweiterungsspeicher ?
Ich weiss es wirklich nicht auswendig!)

Der VDE hat kuerzlich ein paar neue Uebersetzungen vorgeschlagen:

System ( hihi)
Verklemmung  ( Wer das erraet, bekommt von mir den elektronischen 
               Verbalkreativitaetsorden)
Semaphore (haha)
Anlagenprogrammsystem ( Kurzform von system load)
Subsystem (hoho)
Eintrittsvarianz (reentrancy)

und 30 andere...



Ulrich Gall, Seebrooksberg 2, W-2300 Klausdorf, Germany
Tel.: +49-431-790292, EMail: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de
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From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:23:12 GMT

rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) writes:

>They had US Forces protecting them from the Soviet Union.  There were

The so-called "Useless Army"?
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