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From: Brian_Purdy@mindlink.bc.ca (Brian Purdy)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Rooftop boat loaders
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:03:55 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Now that I have acquired a camper van with an elevated roof, I am having
difficulty figuring out how to transport my two kayaks. I prefer not to use a
boat trailer, since that would make for a very long and unwieldy vehicle.

What I am hoping to find is some sort of commercial gadget which will clamp
the kayaks to the roof, which is about 8.5' above the ground, and elevated
about 18" above the rain gutters.

It would have to be something which would lever the kayaks up there, since
they weigh about 70 lbs. each. I have concerns too about putting that much
weight that high up, but I'll give it a try, if I can find the right device.

Anybody know of a gadget which will fill the bill? We don't have a big
selection of such things on the Canadian market (i.e. none, that I know of).

Any assistance will be appreciated.
--
Brian-Purdy@mindlink.BC.CA
Vancouver,British-Columbia
Canada

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From: mwhhlaw!tim (Timothy E. Hollingsworth)
Subject: Confused (was: Zincs on boats)
Reply-To: uunet!mwhhlaw!tim
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:54:10 GMT

In article <724035136snx@mmp.UUCP> mmp@mmp.UUCP (Lou McIntosh) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec9.015623.9956@smartstar.com> ben@shark.smartstar.com  
writes:
> 
>  > |> To get substantial electrolytic corrosion requires
>  > |> dissimilar metals in electrical contact in a electrolyte. 
>  > 
>  > ???  Sea water is an electrical conductor.  Therefore if the two metals 
>  > are in the same ocean the less noble will corrode.  No?
> 
>         Sea water is an electrolyte, but not an especially good conductor. 
>  However, because of the virtually universal modern practice of running a 
>  "bonding" conductor to connect all the dissimilar metals in a boat, there's
>  an excellent current path to satisfy the condition of "in electrical 
>  contact".
>         There are actually a large number of people in the world who think 
>  that bonding is supposed to prevent electrolysis.  (Actually it's to reduce
>  your chance of being killed by lightning -- which it will do, unless the 
>  lightning blows your fathometer transducer out through the bottom of your 
>  boat and drowns you.)  It doesn't seem to occur to them to make the analogy
>  to a battery, in which you prevent electrolytic action by REMOVING any 
>  connection between the terminals.  Ah, well ... 
> 
Boy I am confused!  I thought that electrolysis occurred in part when there was  
a electric potential difference between dissimilar metals.  Ions of the less  
noble metal are carried along with the current flow.  Thus, if the metals were  
bonded, they were effective grounded and no current would flow through the  
electrolyte.  In a battery, the plates are not in contact.  Indeed, if the  
plates come in contact, the battery is history.

The above is the recollection of a political science major and I am sure the  
less technically challenged in the group will straighten me out if I am in  
error.
--
Tim Hollingsworth 
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From: sap@lucid.com (Synthia Petroka)
Subject: seeking crewing position
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:30:56 GMT

Ahoy,
I'm interested in finding a crewing position on a boat that will be
participating in the '94 Pacific Cup race to Hawaii.  I've been sailing for 15
years from racing dingies to sailing to Cabo San Lucas in a 116' gaffed rigged
schooner, but I've never been to Hawaii.  Perhaps it's too early to plan for a
trip almost 2 years away, maybe the boats from the '92 race haven't made it
back yet 8^), so in the mean time I'll also be interested in getting a crewing
position on another boat in the area just to keep my sailing chops up.  I live
in San Jose, so I'm hoping to find something between Santa Cruz to San
Francisco to Berkeley, but I'll consider opportunities outside that area.

Thanks.
-Synthia

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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Marelon fittings et. al.
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:10:44 GMT

In article <14DEC199213022915@erich.triumf.ca> bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
:In article <1992Dec14.194708.5295@progress.com>, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes...
:>There also the ball type valve used in shoreside plumbing systems.  The
:>common brand is "Apollo".  In the large sizes they are expensive enuf to
:> ....
:>aren't as massive.  These valves have brass bodies, some kind of 
:>chromed ball and teflon seals.  They are designed for pretty severe
:>duty.  ANy opinions?

(1) My "Defender" catalog (conveniently here at the office) shows a "JABSCO"
cast bronze seacock, and clearly visible on the handle is a plastic covering
with the word "Apollo" on it. I think Gerard was just slightly mistaken in 
calling them brass, when they are actually bronze, and are the same item as the
ones sold by Jabsco for marine use. It's just that if you buy them from a 
good land-based (grin) supplier, they may cost less. What Peter says below
is dead right, though, and *very good* advice. But the application of it to
this particular issue is that "one should determine whether a shoreside
plumbing fitting is brass or bronze, and then should continue as appropriate."

(2) On the matter of "can a seacock, sitting alone in a plastic hull, corrode
in the sea, when the "other end" of the battery is a stainless shaft far away,
when the two are connected only by air or plastic on the inside of the boat,"
I can give another (theoretical/practical) answer: if the two really are
connected only by air on the inside, then corrosion will be very slow indeed,
as Gerard points out. (Absent other factors, like shoreside power screwups,
etc.) But if the two are connected inside by a grounding strap, then you have
to worry (as Gerard also pointed out). But there's a third possibility: the two
may be connected inside by something more insidious, like a short bit of
salty dampness leading to one side of a your house power system, and another
such bit leading to the engine block at the other end, or some such thing. In
short, perhaps there's a connection on the inside that has lower resistance
than does the path through the water on the outside. The current flow induced
by the battery will be proportional to the inverse of the size of the
resistance, up to a point. And this current flow is where corrosion begins...

-John

:Shoreside brass plumbing fittings SHOULD NOT be used for any critical (below
:the waterline) application on a boat.  Brass is an alloy containing a fairly
:active metal (zinc?) that will be eaten away by self-electrolysis within the
:fitting, leaving a weak, porous copper fitting.
From: mbr@bellcore.com (Mark Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Request for advice: Buy vs Crew - option 3 sailing clubs
Reply-To: mbr@bellcore.com (Mark Rosenstein)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown, NJ
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:19:16

In article <b_k2s8f@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:

   Newsgroups: rec.boats
   From: floydb@rpi.edu
   Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:20:26 GMT

   If both options are equally obtainable (financially, etc.) what are
   the advantages/disadvantages of regularly crewing on other people's
   boats (30' plus, extended ocean cruising) vs owning a boat and going
   to and from more or less the same places?

   What have others done presented with these options?
Choose a third option? In the last 2 out of 3 places I've lived there
have been clubs (closer to co-ops actually). The first of these:
Wind 'n Sea, which I belonged to in San Diego, which also has branches
in Los Angeles and somewhere in the SF Bay area worked like this:
The club owned or long termed leased boats (~35ft). For your membership,
which was like $35/month 5 years ago, you were guarenteed one day sail
a month. The club sailed enough (usually Saturday and/or Sunday) each
week, and you signed up for a day. You could then sign up for standby
on other days. The club also had overnight sails to places like
Catalina, which were additional, but quite reasonable. On every outting,
the club provided a skipper and mate, and there was a scheme for working
your way up to those positions. There was also a few class once a week,
where a skipper would lecture about some aspect of sailing (like manoverboard).
Sadly,I left San Diego, so I don't know if they're still around.

Currently, I live in New Jersey and belong to a club called the
Morristown Sailing Club. It has a slightly different flavor. From May through
November, approximately once a month the club has a trip. They rent boats
usually either in Long Island Sound or the Chesapeake. Depending on the
location and number of people who sign up, they rent anywhere from 4 to
as many as 12 boats. The trips are usually 3 or 4 days, but they do some
longer trips as well, usually at fun places like Maine. The club provides
a skipper and a "backup skipper". How one moves into those positions is
less clear than in Wind 'n Sea. I can't quite remember, but it seems like
it is about $100/day for these trips, less for longer trips, but I'd have
to check to make sure.

I expect there are other organizations like this arround. I found Wind 'n
Sea by an add they placed in a local magazine, and I found Morristown Sailing
Club through a service that Sail Magazine used to provide. [They used to
keep track of such things, and you could send them a letter, and they'd
send you back a list of sailing clubs].

Mark.
=-=-=-=-=-=
The sailor reaches his destination the moment the sails are raised.
      -unknown
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Mercruiser questions
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:36:14 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <1992Dec15.180407.9792@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.131508.22928@nynexst.com> jsh@icslab.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Hirth) writes:
> >>On 11 Dec 92, torsten@unisql.UUCP wrote:
> >>
> >> My boat has a strange tendency to "fishtail" while bumbling along at
> >> 1200 RPM.  It runs straight as an arrow at speed.
> >>
> >My '92 Century 21' (deep V) does the same thing.  Stable as a rock when on a
> >plane, but yaws like a drunk when off plane.
> 
   This results from a combination of the thrust forces of a single propeller
   (thrust sideways as well as backward) and a hull that is designed to plane.
   Though not all boats that fit this category will exhibit this behavior.  
   




   greg pavlov
   pavlov@fstrf.org
From: juan@temecula.Corp.Sun.COM (Juan Montelongo)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: CrownLine boats
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:08:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: juan@temecula.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: temecula.corp.sun.com

Does anyone have any knowledge of CrownLine boats. Good or Bad. I
happened walk into a showroom with several of these boats, and was
impressed with the style and several features that seemed unique to the
line.

Thanks,

Juan 





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From: kuehn@super.org (James T. Kuehn)
Subject: Re: Boarding (by Coast Guard)
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:04:38 GMT

In article <1gqia9INNq9b@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Is there some reason why the Coast Guard can not be held accountable for 
>their actions?  
>
>Does anyone on the net have any ideas on how boaters can band together and 
>exert the proper pressure to fix this problem?  Do anyone know what buttons 
>to push or where the appropriate pressure points are?  

Push the "record" button on your camcorder.
It worked for Rodney King.

--jk
From: donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Automatic or manual transmission for towing?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:20:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvca.1992Dec11.192011.16104
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

I have been looking for a new mini van recently.  Several of the 
manufacturs offer "Towing" Packages.  I have noticed that several of these
REQUIRE the automatic transmission.  So at least these guys think their
automatics can handle it.
From: alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan Yelvington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Coast Guard Boating Tax, NOT!
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:18:41 GMT

I just want to clear up one thing:

The Coast Guard did not pass the boat tax,
and the Coast Guard never got one red cent.

What the Coast Guard did get was a lot of
hate and discontent for having to enforce
and indirect tax that did nothing for them
or the boating public.

PLEASE!  No matter what you think, the
Coast Guard is our friend.
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Request for advice: Buy vs Crew
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:53:34 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine
NNTP-Posting-Host: mchip00.med.nyu.edu

In article <b_k2s8f@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:
>If both options are equally obtainable (financially, etc.) what are
>the advantages/disadvantages of regularly crewing on other people's
>boats (30' plus, extended ocean cruising) vs owning a boat and going
>to and from more or less the same places?

	Crewing on other boats means you show up at the appropriate time,
bust your butt for the duration of the race/voyage/delivery to help the
owner achieve his/her goal (winning the race, taking it easy and having fun,
or getting the boat there in a reasonable amount of time and in one piece,
respectively), help clean up after it's over, hang around and socialize for
some socially acceptable amount of time, and then go home.  On the other
hand, owning a boat means constantly worrying about where to find the
requisite number of above described crew members, and paying the bills.  You
also get to go sailing at 1AM on a Tuesday night, if it strikes your fancy
to do so.

	Having owned a small boat, and crewed on larger ones, I am firmly
convinced that the only rational way to sail on large boats is to crew for
somebody else.

	PS, if anybody in the City Island vicinity is looking to crew on a
J/24, drop me a line.  Especially if you're willing to show up on time, bust
your butt to help win the race, help put the boat away, and hang around and
socialize for a socially acceptable amount of time afterwards.  If you have
a bottom sanding fetish, I can probably accomodate that as well.
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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Boarding(was Re: Coast Guard Boating Tax, NOT!)
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:09:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.131139.13513@mwhhlaw.uucp> uunet!mwhhlaw!tim writes:
>In article <1gnputINNlae@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> cworth@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU  
>(CHUCK WORTH) writes:
>> In article <7975@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan  
>Yelvington) writes:
>> >PLEASE!  No matter what you think, the
>> >Coast Guard is our friend.
>> 
>> HORSEPUCKY!  As long as the Coasties are conducting armed, warrantless
>> boardings and searches of US ships in US waters (under the pretext of
>> drug interdiction) they're no friends of mine.

In case Mr Yelvington did not know, The Coast Guard has be making armed,
warrantless boardings and searches as long as the have existed. I have 
been boarded every year for the last 9 years.  Generally in Jan. Feb. or March
in the Pacific NW. (San Jaun Islands) The first time this happened I asked 
them why the boarded me and they replied I was the first pleasure craft the
has seen in three days. They have always been very courteous. They have always
followed a check list which has gotten about three time longer in these
nine years.  Besides the usual life jackets, flares, horn it now includes
Y-valves and a sticker warning against disposal of plastics at sea.  They 
really are just doing their jobs as prescribed by the Federal legislature.
They are not particularly pleased with how long the list has gotten. 
They once abandoned their search with the comment "We just got a distress 
call, now we can go do our real job".  The cutter was already leaving and 
the guys in the rigid inflatable rushed to catch up. 
Though I have never needed them I am happy to see them when I am out 
enjoying a 35 degree F, 20-30 mph 4-6 foot chop winter sail.

joel

From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:16:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: A RAB symposium?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

    OK, that's settled. TUESDAY or THURSDAY, DEC 15 or 17th. 11:30 am (seven
    and a quarter bells?) at CHARLIE BROWN'S. I'll have FELIX tied up at
    Charlie Brown's, and yes, we'll all go for a quick trip round the turning
    basin before we say our farewells. We'll make this an ARTHUR RANSOME lunch,
    and I'll bring WE DIDN'T MEAN TO GO TO SEA along from which we will read
    in turn.

Have a great time and have a pint for me (no, I didn't say *on* me
:-)

    	'Twas on the good ship VENUS,
        ...........
    				Rudyard Kipling.
                                        ^^^^^^^^
Really?  Used to sing that when I was in the army (stationed on a
landing craft), but I never thought about who the author might be.  Do
you remember Eskimo Nell, too?

Brian, in Colorado
From: laughlin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sail Related Software
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:42:00 -0800

RAW/From: rwein@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Robert A. Wein)
   /Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario

RAW/I was reading in Sail magazine a while back and they were talking about
   /sailing software (proprietary) that deals with navigation and such.
   /They also mentioned that there was a "veritable plethora" of shareware
   /software out there.
RAW/Anybody know of ftp sites that would have this kind of software??

        Not exactly Robert, but you might come alongside Ship to
Shore in Toronto and have a browse.  The system here launched in
1989, and there are about 500 sailors aboard now in Toronto.
Quite a lot of shareware/PD stuff too...

        Fair winds and following seas
        Laughlin Hughes
        Skipper, Ship to Shore OIS, Toronto (416)538-2496 8/N/1

 * OLX 2.2 * Take a sailor to launch.
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Gybing Centreboards
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:48:32 GMT
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota

wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:

>A keel or board which develops hydrodynamic lift does more than just
>counteract leeway.  It also contributes to the heeling moment on the
>boat.  If you increas the lift, you must also increase the heeling
>moment.

>If the keel or board is not perpendicular in the water (e.g., because
>the hull is heeled) then its lift will do less to counteract leeway
>because the horizontal component is less.  On the other hand, its
>contribution to the heeling moment will be undiminished.

>Since heeling is not a GOOD THING for performance, I imagine that the
>good effect of a gybing centreboard in reducing leeway is to some extent
>offset by the increased heeling.

I believe that you won't find true gybing centerboards on anything
except lightweight, high-performance, planing dinghies.  As anyone who
has ever sailed one of these boats competitively knows, _any_ heeling
(whether you have a gybing ceterboard or not) is the best way to make
the boat go real slow.  "Sail it flat" is the best advice for any
beginning dinghy racer (light winds excluded).

>There are alternative geometries which could give you more of the
>benefits and less of the disadvantages.  Wings on the keel, for
>instance, or bilge keels as described by
>michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
>in article <28651@oasys.dt.navy.mil>:
>|> ... Lift was provided by 2 foils, one on each side. The
>|> foils were canted so that when the boat was heeling they were closer
>|> to vertical, and I think the blades were asymetrical in cross section
>|> with a built in angle of attack.

Some of the Scows popular here in the Midwestern U.S. have canted
"leeboards" on each side.  Most do not have asymmetrical blades, but
do have a built in angle of attack, and also are not vertical, so that
the leeboard _will_ be vertical when the boat is heeled.  These
dinghies are the exception to the "sail it flat" rule that I mentioned
above.  You always want to heel them to reduce wetted surface area,
even down-wind, but this keeps the foil more or less upright.  They
also have dual rudders, which are more or less useless when the boat
is really screaming along, due to their small size.  Despite the name
"scow", which sounds old-fashioned, these boats are very fast, very
high-performance, and lots of fun.  The sight of a 38 foot A-scow on a
full plane spinnaker reach is truly amazing.  Even better to be on
board.  I know that there are E Scow fleets in New Jersey and also
various scow fleets in Texas, but does anyone know if they are sailed
anywhere outside the U.S.?
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
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From: moinard@irisa.fr (Yves Moinard, tel 7313, bureau 214AB)
Subject: Vendee Globe Challenge, 13 dec 92
Reply-To: moinard@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA, Rennes, France
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:42:27 GMT


The leader has good 15/20 knots winds,
and since he crossed the equator, he regularly increases its advance.
The others fear that they will never see him again before Les Sables-d'Olonne.
(News from the day 13 december).

1) Alain Gautier  (Bagages Superior)     	11 deg 25 S 26 deg 52 W
2) Bertrand de Broc (Groupe LG)         	10 deg 11 S 27 deg 07 W at 77 nm
3) Nandor Fa (K & H Bank Matav)   		 5 deg 16 S 28 deg 11 W at 368 nm					4) Jose Luis de Ungarte (Euskadi Europa 93) 	 0 deg 10 S 26 deg 07 W at 670 nm
5) Alan Wynne-Thomas (Cardiff Discovery)  	 0 deg 13 N 25 deg 28 W at 697 nm
6) Bernard Gallay (Vuarnet Watches)      	 0 deg 31 N 25 deg 19 W at 714 nm
7) Jean-Luc Van Den Heede (Gr. Sofap Helvim) 	 2 deg 33 N 24 deg 11 W at 827 nm
8) Philippe Poupon (Fleury-Michon)		 3 deg 12 N 27 deg 25 W at 877 nm
9) Jean-Yves Hasselin (Solo Nantes) 		 8 deg 23 N 26 deg 22 W at 1192 nm
10) Vittorio Malingri (Everlas- Neil Pryde) 	 9 deg 23 N 26 deg 40 W at 1242 nm
11) Yves Parlier (Cacolac d'Aquitaine) 		22 deg 37 N 18 deg 26 W at 2044 nm

 
Van den Heede, one of the few with a  narrow boat (3,74m, as
opposed to the Finot design of Gautier 5,76m), is loosing again the miles he had 
partially recovered since his second departure.
Parlier is now in calm winds, after his problems in the first week.

Here is a complement and correction of a previous post about the marks:

From Les Sables-d'Olonne to Les Sables-d'Olonne (23 605 nautical miles):
 - one buoy, in the Canary Islands,
 - Antarctic to starboard,
 - Heard Island (close to the Kerguelen Islands) to starboard,
 - a fictive mark, 59 deg 30 S, 119 deg W,
 - between Digo Ramirez Islands (to starboard) and Horn cap.

I do not think the Canary Island buoy is to be respected again on the way back.

                                          Yves Moinard
E-mail: moinard@irisa.fr                      IRISA
tel: (33)-99-84-73-13                     Campus de Beaulieu
fax: (33)-99-38-38-32                     35042 RENNES-Cedex
                                               FRANCE

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