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From: tdober@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:30:43 GMT
            <92106.193952IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Distribution: na
Organization: LLNL

In article <92106.193952IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> 
> well, we've had a whole lot of posts abotu male lovers in SF.
> so who writes abotu lesbians?  are there any outside of the
> lesbian presses and Gael Baudino?  (and the bi woman in Silver-
> glass)
> 
> not really interested in reading about men these days.  been
> doing it all my life and want something different.
> 
>                                       -ailsa

Well, let me see...(of course, I'm at work, away from my books, so this
is just what I can think of off the top of my head)

_Thendara House_ by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Right spang in the middle
                 of the Darkover series. It deals with a Terran woman
                 who goes to live in Darkovan society (actually, a
                 small subset of Darkovan society, but who wants to
                 quibble?) and a Darkovan woman who goes to live in
                 the Terran quarter. Talk about major culture shock...

_The Ruins of Isis_ also by Bradley. Non-Darkover sf about a planet
                    run by women (men are there, but occupy a
                    subordinate role). I found this book profoundly
                    annoying in some ways. Of course, I have to make
                    allowances for how long ago it was written, but
                    still...

_Arrows of the Queen_ by Mercedes Lackey. Two fairly important female
                      characters are in a committed relationship with
                      each other.

_Titan_  \
_Wizard_  } (the Gaea trilogy) by John Varley. The female main character
_Demon_  /  is in a relationship with another woman.

_The Northern Girl_ by Elizabeth A. Lynn. Someone else just mentioned this
                    one. Third book in the Chronicles of Tornor.

I'm sure I'll think of a dozen more as soon as I go home. Oh well, it's
late, I'm outta here. (I'll follow up later if I do come up with more
titles.)

TDO
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:16:40 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

> After looking at hundreds of boots, I decided that they fall into one of 
> three categories: 
> 
>  1) Ugly 
> 
>  2) Uncomfortable
> 
>  3) Expensive 

Usually!  I lucked out and got a nice pair of Tony Lamas (black lizard
skin) at the factory outlet in El Paso when I was visiting there a
couple of years ago.  They are quite handsome, comfortable (as far as
boots go), and were dirt cheap (as far as boots go).

> So today I have a like-new pair of boots with a wonderful leather/polish
> aroma.  But you know what?  You don't walk in boots the way you walk in
> shoes.  I don't have the hang of it yet.  I feel like I'm going to fall
> over, and I probably look like someone who is trying to look butch, but not
> succeeding.
> 
> Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
> about the proper way to walk in boots?

You don't "walk" in boots.  You put your foot out in front of you and
                        s   t   r   i   d   e.

:)



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ST:TNG -- The Outcast
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr6.165047.15140
Organization: insert anything here

dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:
>mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>I *waited* for Ryker to say *something*.  He had two opportunities.
>The writers, after writing such an impassioned (it really said it all)
>plea by the accused, blew it with Ryker.

	I expect the *writers* didn't blow it, but the *beancounters*
ata Paramount who watch the potential $$$-depletion over te hospital
bills for Pat Robertson's gonads suffered intense bouts of "testicle
deleteion".

>:Paramount is run by a bunch of weenies.

	An understatement.

BBC
From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Auto-Fellatio (Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:26:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpmwfab2.32590075
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.


 sik@cci632.cci.com (Shawn Kammerdiener) writes:

>	My question is whether it's kosher ?
----------
Not to worry:  _That_ cream is not dairy, so it's o.k. along with the
meat.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:55:39 GMT

jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.051438.13936@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> Plus, gay men inherently dance better - we might not have inherent
>> rhythm, but we have inherent *style*. :)

>Indeed, this is a great way to find closet types
>because as my friends and I regularly assert:
Well, this is sort of hazardous, because ieven though the following is true:

>   "Straight boys can't dance."

That doesn't necessarily mean that

"NOT straight boys CAN dance". Does it? [I'm a math major, I don't understand 
all this logic stuff .. :-)]

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Sure you can get aids from a mosquito -- if you have unprotected anal sex 
 with  one!"
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 13 Apr 1992 11:00:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

How could I have forgotten "Judy at Carnegie Hall"?  I can lip synch
'em all and we'll...and not miss a thing -- I've got the sudden gasps,
the twitches, the glottal stops down cold.  (Plus I've got some of
the moves, having grilled someone who was actually there.)

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Crusades (was Re: Deletions)
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.095347.6585@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr12.044913.26205@nevada.edu>
>balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:

>>Favorite quote: "Back in '85 my Amiga was juggling windows like a pro when
>>                 MSDOS still thought the world could fit in 650K"
>
>The quote loses a little force, I think, by being
>technically incorrect.  The number is 640K.  Bill Gates, of

Ack! The [4] and the [5] key are sooo close! But hey, I don't have to
be technically correct during Spring Break. I just have to be drunk
and available. ;>  (minus the drunk... but I can fake it if it is
important to you..)

Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:31:29 GMT

Earlier in this thread, speaking of Marion Zimmer Bradley,
I referred to her as a witch, when I should very definately
have said bitch.  Maybe George Bush was channeling through me...

(hint: after Bush's *debate* with 'oh god what's her name, the woman
that ran with Mondale time before last...' her.)

Sorry...

Sandy 		Bisexual by Nature?

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:09:18 CDT

In article <1992Apr6.125123.19486@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
 ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes about a motss.con
 proposal:

>Over dinner we agreed that we'd put one together for next year, right around
>the pride march

On the one hand, it seems appealing to organize a lesbigay event
around a city's Pride events.  Please consider, though, that
this will require asking many possible attendees to miss the
Pride March in their own cities.  For some this may not be
an issue at all, but I think it is worth factoring in to
a proposal.

--
Steven Levine
steven@cray.com
From: ccornish@sunflower.sybase.com (Carleton Cornish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: postcard mutilations?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:06:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19291
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <19287@sybase.sybase.com> black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris]) writes:
>My housemate Andy recently got back from the post office a mutilated
>shred of the "yes I'm glad to be gay" postcard he sent to Ann Landers.
>The post office says it was accidentally damaged in transit.  We suspect
>that it was homophobic vandalism.  Has anyone else had a similar
>experience?
>
>-- Chris (black@sybase.com)

Chris,

I think Andy should mail the postcard in a sealed envelope (along with the
notice from the post office) to Ann Landers directly.  I should think that
she would be very interested in this turn of events.

-carleton

************************************
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From: tomb@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: postcard mutilations?
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:00:22 GMT
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA

>The post office says it was accidentally damaged in transit.  We suspect
>that it was homophobic vandalism.  Has anyone else had a similar
>experience?

Chris,

No, but I would definitely send it (in an envelope) to Ann explaining
the situation... maybe besides the AFA-types, this is yet another 
bias in the numbers she gets.

The post office generally has too many letters to stop and read them 
all... so if it was intentional, it was probably someone on Ann's end
or at your end... why didn't they send it on to Ann?  Did they destroy
her address and leave yours?  How long did it take to get it back?
Was it postmarked?  If so, then it must have passed through your end
OK.  Ask for specific details from the postal authorities, but do not 
give them the original postcard (if you want to make an issue about it).

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)        tomb@tandon.com                  voice 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation          1:102/1006.6@fidonet.org           fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer      "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: NYTimes Covers Cracker Barrel Story
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:07:11 GMT

Thursday's (4/9/92) New York Times ran a *big* report of
the protests against Cracker Barrel Old Country Store Inc's
discriminatory hiring practices -- they fire and refuse to
hire people who are openly gay or lesbian.  The story's
main intent was to show the lack of any Federal protection
for G/L workers, and the efforts to extend Federal Civil
Rights legislation to include sexual orientation.

The Cracker Barrel spokespersons came across as idiots,
likewise their homophobic and mean-spirited customers.
The Queer Nation/Atlanta protestors (and their "Straight
But Not Narrow" supporters) were depicted as heroes.

Sure is good to see the media jump on this story and make
it clear where their sympathies lie (Barbara Walters (ABC)
and Charles Gibson (?) on CBS made remarks about staying
away from Cracker Barrels too).
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From: jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel Whitfield)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: London in July?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:26:51 GMT
Reply-To: jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel Whitfield)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd, Farnborough, ENGLAND

In article <1992Apr14.065950.11682@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <2640@pyrltd.UUCP> jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel
>Whitfield) writes:
>
>>(though I must admit that I don't tend to stay in
>>hotels.)
>
>Nigel doesn't even stay at home; all he does is work! :-)

Sometimes I get that feeling; I remember with nostalgia when I used to
have time to read soc.motss regularly. uk-motss is as much as I can
manage these days. Maybe next month things will settle down on the
magazine (but I've been saying that for at least six!)

>It's been not quite a year since I was in London.  

I was thinking about this the other day. Isn't it about time someone
else glamorous came to visit us ?

Nigel.-- 
Nigel Whitfield, uk-motss List Maintainer
Send list administrivia to uk-motss-request@pyra.co.uk
Personal mail to jimmya@pyra.co.uk or nigelw@ibmpcug.co.uk
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:17:51 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr09.161802.74175@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>sometimes i wish i were a bigger fan of madonna so i could have my
>dick and eat it too.

Yoga helps, they say.

-- 
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:57:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Apr13.094024.1490@reed.edu>
  <1992Apr13.153908.15077@amhux2.amherst.edu>
  <1992Apr13.211148.3573@reed.edu>

Nelson Minar writes:
>>>>Not being a lesbian, I became a computer scientist.
>>>I wish I had a quotes file.
>>So start one!  I caved in under pressure, too ...
>
>I thought about dropping this in my .signature file, but I decided it
>would really only be appropriate in soc.motss. I envisoned some
>posting of mine to a technical newsgroup in which someone reads the 
>signature and gets offended. I should fix my signature software to be
>newsgroup specific.

So do what Jess Anderson and I do -- separate the quote and the
.signature.  I'm not sure how Jess does it, but I have a little
program that lets me select a quote, attach it to the end of
my posting, then the actual .signature gets slapped on after
that.

() You've been watching douche commercials again.
()      -- Lurch
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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Czech this out (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:32:03 GMT
 <1992Apr14.064237.11232@macc.wisc.edu> <13980@star.cs.vu.nl>
 <1992Apr14.121417.21385@macc.wisc.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

not to insult jess, but harpsichords are such wonderful objects
that one doesn't NEED a lot of skill for people to anjoy hearing
them played...  a woman who could play one of those things could
ask anything....

                                           -ailsa
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:37:29 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <122677@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, tdober@llnl.gov
    writes responding to Ailsa's request for lesbian sf:
> Well, let me see...(of course, I'm at work, away from my books, so this
> is just what I can think of off the top of my head)
> 
> _Thendara House_ by Marion Zimmer Bradley.

But not terribly lesbian, ne c'est pas?

> _Titan_  \
> _Wizard_  } (the Gaea trilogy) by John Varley. The female main character
> _Demon_  /  is in a relationship with another woman.

Yes, but it's by a man.  I really got the impression,
especially from some of the utter crap in _Demon_ that the
lesbian sex ws there to tittilate straight males.  I thought
the first book was okay, though.

> _The Northern Girl_ by Elizabeth A. Lynn. Someone else just mentioned this
>                     one. Third book in the Chronicles of Tornor.

That was me.  The first book in the Chronicles also has a
lesbian relationship (_Watchtower_).  The books are set far
apart from each other in time and the society goes through
some changes.  The women in the first book hide their
relationship most places but by the third book the gender of
who you love is *almost* not worthy of comment.

I also like the short story "Houston, Do You Read?" by James
Tiptree, Jr. (the pseudonym of the late Alice Sheldon).

By the way, I just finished the third (and hopefully final)
Dragon book by Gael Baudino, _Dragon Death_.  I liked the
characters but hated the plot.  She could be so much better
with a good editor to tell her to cut the battle
descriptions and concentrate on character building (says
Kathryn who's never written fiction in her life).

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Posthumous Oscar Update
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:22:01 GMT

Remember when Howard Ashman's (lyricist for "Beauty & The Beast)
lover, Bill Lauch, accepted the Oscar on his behalf (Ashman died
of AIDS last year)?  The New York Times (4/13/92) ran a little
update on that story as part of a piece called "The Talk of
Hollywood":

    William P. Lauch finds himself an unlikely celebrity.  A soft-
    spoken 36-year-old architect who lives in the Hudson Valley
    village of Cold Spring, N.Y., Mr. Lauch says he is now being
    recognized everywhere: in the supermarket, on the street, in
    airports.  The reason is that two weeks ago, on worldwide
    television, he accepted the Oscar for best song that was
    awarded posthumously to Howard Ashman, the librettist for
    "Beauty and the Beast."
    
    In his speech, Mr. Lauch said he and Mr. Ashman had "shared a
    home and a life together," and that he was "happy and proud"
    to accept the award, and that it was the first Oscar given to
    anyone who had died of AIDS.
    
    Mr. Lauch acknowledged that his acceptance of the award was,
    perhaps, a major statement.  "It was, like, a small event but
    a very big step," he said in an interview.  "Both the Disney
    Company and the academy have sort of recognized me as Howard's
    survivor.  That was the point I was trying to make.  I've seen
    so many friends die.  And you hear stories about lovers or
    companions who are ignored or dismissed by the family or
    lawyers or whatever.  They're not considered like spouses.
    They should be."
    
    "All kinds of people have come up to me, men and women,
    actually more women, saying, 'It was great what you did,'" he
    said.  Mr. Lauch added that he sympathized with the noisy
    demonstrators outside the academy event who were protesting
    Hollywood's depiction of homosexuals.
    
    "For many years there was this stereotype of swishy
    hairdressers to be made fun of, really effeminate characters,"
    he said.  "Lately, homosexuals have been depicted as
    psychopaths.  I wish people would be a little more creative
    and responsible."
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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Where to find FJ!! on a Friday night/Saturday morning.
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:23:59 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <13983@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>
>So, you know where to find me: I'm the blond feeling up
>your bottle in the C-ring in the Warmoesstraat, Amsterdam, and probably
>taking it away too soon.

...and he doesn't take American Express.

--
                 David R. Preston      drp@dosbears.uucp
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:04:55 GMT

mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas) writes:
| In article <ku9q3pINNlbj@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
| |> Have you read the Portland proposal?  I'm desperately trying
| |> to figure out how to pack an ice axe in a suitcase stuffed to
| |> overflowing with chenille.  
| 
|    Gad, I hadn't realized that .con's were so violent. Do you need a
| concealed weapon permit to carry that axe under your chenille?

After Basic Instinct??? If we explain that we're travelling to a
lesbigay convention, chenille and an ice axe is just what they'd
*expect* to find in our suitcases... :-)/2

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Good news from La La Land
Date: 16 Apr 1992 14:28:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr16.201838.25485@gordian.com> 
mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas) writes:

>   If people have not heard about this yet, the police commission in LA
> has made their decision on the new Chief of Police: Willie Williams from
> Philidelphia. For those who don't know, Chief Darrel Gates is one of the
> most bigoted redneck bastards in the state if not the nation.

Yes, he is slime.

>   Does anybody know anything about Willie Williams? There is no possibility
> that he could be worse than Gates, but from what I've heard he may actually
> be good (!?)

From an article in today's LA Times about LAPD officers' reactions
to the chief-to-be:

  "We called Philly and talked to a street cop," said LAPD Sgt. Ted
  Maillet.  "He said, 'Give him a little time and you'll be proud to 
  call him your chief....He's a straight shooter.  But screw up, and
  you'd better bring your Vaseline.'"


!!!

Arne
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:02:36 GMT

I've always avoided boots, there are some things that this camp fag cannot get
away with. I can't afford them anyway...But all this talk has got me thinking,
maybe all I need is someone to shop for boots with, and who knows what s/he is
doing.
								FJ!!