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From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:45:22 GMT

In article <78217@ut-emx.uucp> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>stuff, but, er, let's just say that Cinnamon is about as exotic but not quite
>as good-looking as Death. The piercings just kind of turned me off......

Well, my roommates all have pierced nipples, and, well, some other areas. I 
don't know, that realy isn't much of a turn off, taken to far though....
(Of course 2 of the 3 are male and THAT is a turn off for me....)

>(BTW, Megazone, have you noticed that you tend to fall in love with comic book
>characters a lot? [Re : UF])

Not really, I'm not in love with Yuri.  The UF concept was Ben and Robs major
idea and I joined in during the planning stages. The relationships just sort of
developed as we wrote, ben wrote about Kei and I followed up with Yuri, it was
sort of 'Oh yeah! Well I'LL do this' 'Well, then I'LL write this' friendly war
between creators. And after that the characters took on their own lives. I 
used my feelings towards friends and SO's to base my writing.

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:50:10 GMT

In article <OTTO.92Aug26020800@tukki.jyu.fi> otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.124448.12582@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g) writes:
>Who thinks that "Super Babylon" was not as good as "Hateful Dead" ?
>The plotting isn't as tight, less real humor (as opposed to pulling
>limbs off), and even the artwork seems to be a bit weaker...

Super Babylon was not even close to be vintage Marshal Law. Easily the
weakest of the Marshal Law stories done so far. I love the character
(and the grafitti, of course), but things seem to have been going
progressivly downhill since the title left Epic (now there's a change, a
comic gettin worse after leaving Marvel).

Perhaps the guys are running out of ideas, but I hope things turn
around, and soon. The first six issues still remain the best of the
bunch.

All IMHO, of course.

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From: creeper@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wolfgang Kies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Grimjack Fans
Keywords: Marvel
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:25:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	I don't know if this is the right place to post this since
I have been off of the net for the summer but I got a question. 
Has anyone seen the add for Ravage 2099. I ask this because to me it looks
just like the Jim Twilley incarnation of Grimjack. What I wanna know
is it legal for Marvel to do this? I mean The guy's almost a carbon
copy. I don't know if this has been mentioned before but I had to bring 
it up. I really can't say anything else because I haven't read the
book , but looks alone. well.. you get the meaning.

	thanx.
			

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Who left the necklace?
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:58:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.102422.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>I haven't checked the two issues with Hyppolyta Hall in them to see if it
>could be her.
>

Unlikely, if only because of continuity problems between Sandman and the JSA.
Now, if he'd left it for, say, another 9 months...

Mike
From: eja@soc14.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Marvel's untouchable corpses (was re: STARLIN SELLOUT?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:28:21 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug31.225251.7249@ac.dal.ca>, ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
|>   I'm not certain, but I beleive that Starlin found out that marvel was going 
|> to bring back Thanos and/or Warlock anyway, so he basically wanted to make
|> sure that it was done as well as possible. Whether or not he achieved this
|> is anyone's opinion. This doesn't sound hard to accept, since he doesn't own
|> these characters and Marvel does have a habit of bringing back characters
|> who were once dead. ONLY BUCKY IS SAFE!


Actually, back a couple of years ago when John Byrne took over the Avenger's 
titles (from which they are still recovering) he brought back the original
Human Torch and had him working with Captain America and Namor with various
"Gee, this is great, just like back when we were the Invaders" type comments. 
I was almost certain that Byrne was going to find a way to bring back Bucky 
just to complete the set.  I suppose he would have had to do it over Mark 
Gruenwald's dead body.  

On related topics: what exactly happened to Toro?  
What other Marvel stiffs are untouchable?  I'd guess Uncle Ben, and um...
well, I can't really think of anyone else after the Parker Parents fiasco.  

Is Mark Gruenwald's Executive Editor position just a method of keeping him
out of the way so his 'silly concerns with continuity' won't get in the way 
of pumping out more sludge for the fanboys?

Eric Akawie; Freelance Messiah
eja@acpub.duke.edu
From: U19807@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:35:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <BtMK66.KrH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J
Klaybor) says:

>        Hey everyone!  (Everyone point at newbie)
>
>        Just thought I'd try and get a sub-conversation started here
>about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_
>interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
>am!!

Nope. Sorry,but I don't get why I should fork over my hard-earned $ for yet
_another_ overblown Marvel mini-series which accomplishes absolutely zilch
except to line that company's collective pocket. It amazes me,in fact,that
anybody would actually pay money to deal with Jim Starlin's typical "let's
kill off all the heroes and then retcon 'em back to life" style of writing.

Jim Starlin _used_ to be a relatively good writer. Of course,that was before
he decided to toss his ethics in the circular file and write stories highly
reminiscent of Jim Shooter's glop in the two SECRET WARS mini-series. Sigh...

(Incidentally,my buddy Doug wants to know if they found the Secret Sauce at the
 end of that one.... >:) )

>        I usually read 'down-to-earth' stuff like the X-titles,

"Down to earth"?

?!?

Full of absurd plot convolutions and contradictions,perhaps,but "down to
earth"? Nah.

>but
>the inter-cosmic scale on which this series is presented in just
>incredible!!  A great follow-up to the 'Infinity Gauntlet' series,
>IMO.

Uh. After reading through (notice that I didn't say "buying"-that's a bit of a
stretch) virtually all of the issues of INFINITY GAUNTLET,I came to the not
particularly original conclusion that Starlin,of all people,is doing his best
as vapid a plotter as,say,R*b L**f*ld.

Was this really written by the guy who wrote the original WARLOCK series back
in the 70's,or his evil twin?

Then again,maybe the evil twin had enough sense to work somewhere else besides
The House of Tired Ideas.

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From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Warlock back from the dead
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:38:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <visser.715286964@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes...
> ...Starlin ... has pretty well sold out whatever credibility he had by
>bringing Thanos and Warlock back from the dead (which as I remember he said
>at one point he would never do). 

I never considered that Warlock was dead--just trapped inside the Soul Gem.
And Thanos was turned to stone (which, in the Marvel Universe, isn't an
irreversible fate--refer to the Grey Gargoyle). 

Way back when this occurred, I used to dream up ways to bring back Warlock,
with the intention of writing to Starlin to tell him how. I never did do it,
because the best I could come up with was to simply break the gem (I had
already passed my creative childhood years).

Although I was no longer desperate to see the return of my all-time favorite
character, I for one was very glad to see it.

DN
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Please put Mutant threads in rec.arts.xbooks (was Re: Excalibur #54)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:44:27 GMT

In article <7904@hq.hq.af.mil>, rknowles@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Rick Knowles) writes:
> Hi,
> I just started reading Excalibur the last 10 issues or so and I think it's
> about the best written mag around.

This thread should be moved over to rec.arts.comics.xbooks, which is the
appropriate newsgroup for Marvel Mutant threads.

P.S.  I disagree.

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From: pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Marvel Bashing
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:47:22 GMT
Reply-To: pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Netters, Just posting to get a point across IMHO that
rec.arts.comics and other related groups seem to be
anti-MARVEL.
    I'v been reading (and occasionally posting) in the
    group for 6-8 months.  It seem as soon as a post
    Marval related go's up the Marvel "vultures"----
    (Def. - a greedy,ruthless person) flame the post
    to submission before any (if any) constructive
    dialog can begin.  the net is free so flame on
    but not indiscriminately.
NUFF SAID.
paul.
Organization: Senior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:13:17 -0400 
From: Jason Lee Smith <js06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be Unleashed on the Net

	I don't really like Sandman any more.

	<courteous pause while fans unsheath their knives>

	It had its moments, like the initial "Master Of Dreams" storyline and a
couple of the short-stories (especially the one about Hob (sic)), and
the Season Of Mists was one of the best stories I've ever read, but all
in all, I've found it rather intellectually prententious, and a whole
lot of it was merely borrowed from Alan Moore's  work. Apart from that,
I find his stuff a little dull, and the fact that he doesn't always has
a concrete plotline in mind when he writes has not added to my respect
of Gaiman as a writer.
	In short, I'm tired of seeing lukewarm storylines put out by a good
writer, but not a great writer, of comics and have them cheered as
earth-shattering works of fiction. Don't get me wrong, I like Gaiman's
work. MiracleMan is great, I thought the Books of Magic were swell, and
Sandman is a good comic. However, I don't think it deserves the
attention its been getting. 
	Also, I really can't stand McKean's artwork on the covers.
	Also, I think Death is one of the stupidest characters ever created.


	I just had to get that off my chest. This is just one person's opinion,
please don't start flaming me. I just wanted to see if anyone else
shares my feelings.


		Jason
From: Arthur.E.LaMarche@dartmouth.edu (Arthur E. LaMarche)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RE: ECLIPSO Checklist
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:42:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


  I follow Deathstroke the Terminator. I try to purchase everything he
appears in, and I have a few questions regarding the Eclipso cross over
stuff.   In his annual he does not become "eclipsed", but in the Titans
title he becomes "eclipsed".  In what other annuals has Deathstroke
appeared?  Will the characters who have been eclipsed be released soon?


Art LaMarche
LaMarche@dartmouth.edu
If you aint the lead dog, the scenery never changes
--E Wilson  
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Sandman (spoilers)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 11:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.082157.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>Spoiler Warning for latest Sandman Issue
>
>I can't believe it!  Aaaarrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!
>
>Dream tells his staff to not talk about his past love affair,
>AND THEY DON'T!
>
>Oh, well, perhaps he'll open up to Del.
>
>Is it just me or was Jill Thompson's art better the previous issue?

I don't know about that, but I certainly enjoyed this issue a lot more than the
last one, which didn't grab me for some reason. It's wierd - at the moment the
quality (or maybe just the enjoyment I get out of them) seems to almost exactly
alternate month-to-month:

38 (Wolf story) - Excellent
39 (Marco Polo) - A bit dull really
40 (Baby Endless) - Brilliant, one of the standout issues of the whole run IMHO
41 (Brief Lives 1) - Didn't do much for me, a bit dull
42 (Brief Lives 2) - For some reason I really enjoyed this one. I don't really
know why. Some issues just seem to work for me and some don't. And it's not
just my mood at the time I happen to read them, because I often reread issues
of Sandman (not as much as I reread Shade, but that's another thread...) and
I usually feel the same way about them each time.

Mike

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From: plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson)
Subject: Re: Grendel and Spawn
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:35:55 GMT

In article <Z9JeqB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>Am I the only person who thinks that Spawn looks just like Grendel in a 
>cape?
>
	No.  Eppy Thatcher (issues #24 - 33) looks like Grendel in a 
cape.  Spawn looks like Eppy.

>Namaste,
>Elizabeth

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Valentino and Image
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:29:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.090005.2015@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Does anyone know why Valentino isn't on GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
>any more?  He said he needed the royalties too bad to quit.  Did
>Marvel fire him?

To my knowledge, he was dismissed as writer from Guardians for a number
of reasons. The most likely one appears to be a kind of retribution
firing becasue of all the artist defecting to Image. Since Valenteno was
with Image, but still doing Guardians Marvel must have decided he was
going to have his cake and eat it too.

Also, one of the editors (according to an unnamed source) thought that
Valenteno was to only thing keeping Guardians from being a best selling
comic. Funny, I thought it was already.

Finally, Valenteno had stated in an interview that he had Guardians
plotted out to at lest issue #50. What happens now is anyone's guess.
Too bad. There was some interesting ideas there.


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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 17:31:19 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: feminist comics?
 <176t1pINN3u7@agate.berkeley.edu>


In article <176t1pINN3u7@agate.berkeley.edu>, Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
says:

>=o= Not all feminism is the same thing.  Don't make the same
>mistake that Dave "duh" Sim makes when trying to talk about
>feminism.

Yeeesh. He's _still_ ranting about this in the letters column? I haven't
bought an issue of CEREBUS in years,but I seem to recall that f*m*n*sm is
a major-league bugaboo where he's concerned. Is it really taking this long
for him to get over his divorce,or what?

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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: LSH #38 - SPOLERS HO!
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:44:38 GMT

...Anyone still wondering what the "big event" in LSH #38 is supposed to be?

Guess you've not yet read _Advance Comics_ for November, then? Spoilers after 
the ^L (provided it works):



^L


...according to the AC blurb for LSH #39, Earth is destroyed at the end of
#38, and the Legion is basically left to fend for the survivors.

...now, astute rac'ers will recall that back during the "Moon go BOOOM!" 
fiasco, there were reports that Giffen wanted to blow up the Earth instead,
but was held back by editorial reins.

Methinks that Mike Eury isn't much of a controlling force of an editor, as
it appears that Giffen's gotten his wishes after all.

...anyone wanna bet as to what pocket the Legion's going to pull a replacement
Earth from?

                                                     OM

(Of course, this sort of redefines "The Terra Mosaic" as "The Terra Collage",
especially if the Bierbums decide to use both Valors to put things back
together piece-by-piece :-))
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: cable
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:34:46 GMT

In article <BtnCuG.15p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
>>To ruin one of Marvel's best magazines, the New Mutants.
>
>I have to disagree here. New Mutants was already pretty dead in the
>water by the time Rob the Snob was put on it.

I suppose you're right... Simonson started the degeneration.  501-man just
speeded up the process.
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Batman (AZRAEL)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.011932.29369@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> perry@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Perry Staltari) writes:
>	Just got the Batman issue with "the Sword of Azrael". I thought
>it was quite good and intriguing. I just wanted to know what others
>thought and how many issues this would go on for....

I thought it was quite decent and I will pick up the rest of the series.
Of course, there is not one good reason in the book (aside from more
money being made off the book) why this could not have been put in one
of the regular Batman books. I don't care if he will play an important
part in Batman's life in the next few years, there's nothing so special
about it that warrants a mini-series.

I'll get off my milk carton and let you continue on with your lives.


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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: r.a.comics to be rmgrouped Sept. 30.
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:28:26 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1992Sep1.182638.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

>29 days and counting until this group is rmgrouped!  Bug your local sysadmin
>to switch over the new heirarchy today!

However, in 28 days, we will be placing the R.A.C. FAQ list into a tiny
rocketship, and sending it into the reaches of space....

....probably aimed at the NEW YORKER offices.

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