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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:57:40 EST
From:         Eric Dennis Wincentsen <267@ef.gc.maricopa.edu>
Subject:      Clinton? Oh great...

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Subject : Jello Biafra
Written : 01/26/93.10:57pm

As far as I know, Jello is busy producing music for Alternative Tentacles
and making new spoken word for Clinton. He's also focusing a lot of attent
ion
on his band, Lard, which also contains Paul Barker from Ministry.

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For CLINTON? I Biafra is liberal, but I never thought he'd go so far as to
support that scum. I do hope Lard gets better. I have "The Last
Temptation of Reid" and it is rather disjointed. Too much of Ministry's
approach and too little Biafra.


It's strange that an ultra-conservative like myself would actually like
Biafra, but he's so far to the left that he actually makes points that the
right wing has been trying to make all along. It's just too bad he's
entering the mainstream wacko left and supporting the President and her
husband.
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Subject:      Cobham/T.Williams/It's A Beautiful Day

Michael said:
>>I am extremely incensed at the dog-in-the-manger attitude of major labels
>>who hold copyrights of important, in-demand records and won't make them
>>available. Can you say _It's a Beautiful Day_? Thought you could.

Mr. Scrutinizer said:
>  I'm curious about this one Michael.  This discussion came up before, but
>I found this CD priced as high as what you would expect to pay for any
>imports (~$25).  It was released by an outfit called (*synapse failure*)
>San Francisco Sound (? -- they also have done some Moby Grape releases for
>a slightly more reasonable price).  I think John Mc mentioned finding it as
>an import.  So what's the scoop on this?  If CBS is sitting on this one (it
>was originally on Columbia wasn't it?) then are these "grey market" CD's?

  This topic came up 6 months or so ago. Someone said that some guy on the
west coast had got the rights to _It's A Beautiful Day_ from CBS and had
pressed a batch of CDs. And, when all were sold out he would press another
lot, but increase the price, and carry on doing this, making the CD more
and more expensive. When I heard this I dashed out to see if I could
find a copy (IABD was on my 'Records To Be Replaced By CDs' list).
Without too much trouble I found an copy on CBS's 'Nice Price' series.
Maybe I was just lucky, beacuse I haven't seen another copy since.
  If this story is true then I hope that others don't start doing the
same, because this is an example of pure exploitation.

Hosko
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:49:00 EST
From:         John M <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      re: intro

Eric sez:

>I'm new here, and I've kind of been thrown into this and am unsure what to
>do, but I'll make a go at it anyway. My name is Eric Wincentsen, I'm 20
>years old, and I like to collect records and tapes-anything from Big Band
>to Industrial. My favorite groups are R.E.M., the Ramones and the
>Residents.

Welcome - I'm pretty new here myself, actually. Stick around...

Ah, the Residents. Truly one of my most memorable experiences was seeing them
on their 13th anniversary tour (with Snakefinger [R.I.P.] on guitar). What a
show! And speaking of Snakefinger, can anybody help me out with a discography?
There's a few things I'd like to get - didn't he do some kind of blues/big band
type of thing at one point? I think I heard something like that once upon a
time.

-John M.
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trying to keep up

>>incidentally, since CDs are digital, and thus the max signal
>>from a CD is fixed (at least, for a given CD player, the max
>>signal for any CD should be the same) you shouldn't have to
>>fool with level settings on the tape deck.  A given tape deck/
>>CD player combo could always have the same input level setting.

>This I don't follow.  Most CD players send an analog signal to the amp--this
>is why DAT isn't actually going to give you a perfect copy of a CD.
>And most of my CDs make the meters jump around quite a bit when I record
>them.

because the info is recorded digitally in a fixed number of bits,
there is a fixed maximum number.  that means that the CD output
has a fixed maximum volume, which is that largest storeable
number run through the D/A and any amplification stages - all
of which are fixed in the CD player.

if the CD is well engineered, the maximum volume of the music
to be recorded will be recorded at a level close to the maximum
integer able to be stored on the CD.

if the processing is all done digitally, I suppose the loudest
bit can be found, and all the data scaled to fit on CDs, if the
digital processing uses more bits than the CD, or if the recording
is done at a relatively low level (although that would imply less
real dynamic range.)

of course the levels jump around - it is not a fixed level of output,
it is a fixed *maximum* level of output.

                                   -Tim
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Tim said:


> I don't care for ALW at all, myself.

> But....

> Is he a success with the public?

> lots of people think so.

>                         -Tim

    Here is a parallel with science: there are 'real scientists' who
make the discoveries, advance their fields, etc., and there are
'popularizers of science' who make those discoveries available to many
people outside the narrow circle of specialists by putting complex ideas
into a form that can be easily digested by dilettantes. And so do some
composers. And ALW is one of them. And while the 'popularizers'
don't contribute directly to whatever they are describing,
they are partially responsible for general public's education, which is
not that bad, if you think about it.

                  Ilia.

    OMC> Sonia and others interested in psychedelic music: for the past
couple of days I have been totally absorbed in the music of 13th Floor
Elevators, thanks to Renato. They are a great energetic band that
amazingly combines opposite emotions and adds an original guitar
signature to them. A total must.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:47:33 -0400
From:         kyle legate <9013118@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Alternative

Accordiung to me, there is no such thing as "Alternative" music anymore since
"alternative" music is pretty mainstream today.
        I listen to such bands as the Butthole Surfers, Nomeansno, Negativland,
Sucking
 Chest Wound, Psychic TV, etc... but I would hesitate calling them
"alternative" because by today's definition, they aren't.

For real alternative music, listen to something from the real "Alternative"
label, Alternative Tentacles.
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Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:35:35 GMT
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In a previous article, ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins) says:

>I'll take more of the same with some Muddy on the side and put it up against
>anything that's ever been recorded. They may not have been technical wizards
>but they got their point across with their 3 chords better than 99% of todays
>techno wizards......L. W.

  This may well be true, but it may be equally true that you simply are
not brain-capable of understanding the point the techno-wizards are making.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:48:17 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Non Muscial..? Rhodes Scholar

I need (badly) to know all i can about the Rhodes Scholarship, how it's
awarded, applied for...etc. (for a friends daughter's school project).
She's having trouble finding anything, except what it is. I know
all the intelligent people on Allmusic will have the answers (right or wrong)
so e-mail me all you can about Rhodes Scholars (except Clinton data)
BTW Kris Kristoferson(sp) was a RS..........L.W.   ists024@uabdpo
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:08:38 -0700 Robert Garret Gruhn said:
> >Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Glad i asked, Harry Chapin, Bob Dylan, early Paul Simon, John Hiatt, Willie
Dixon (sorry had to ad a bloozeman)...........L.W.
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Subject:      natt johnson

Thanks for this info.  Best news I've heard in weeks.  Again, many thanks.
Larry.
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:53:25 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>   There's a guy in lab nearby that's sanding something (loud), listening
>to Phil Collins (loud) and singing really terribly (loud).  I don't think
>he realizes that the doors are muting everything *except* his singing,
>which is ringing clearly through the halls.  Pretty comical.  The tune is
>some sappy slow PC standard.  Wait, he's attracting a crowd.....

Speaking of Phil, he is a good drummer isn't he...? I don't really know
thats why i'm asking...........L.W.

BTW it could be worse as in Michael Macdonald....know what i mean

Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:13:42 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      last post

Did my last post with the Los lobos discography go thru?  If not it
can be found through gopher or ftp-ed at the cs.uwp.edu site. Thanks.
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From:         a mirror cracked from side to side <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      noise reduction
              25 Jan 1993 06:33:37 CST from <crispen@EIGHT-BALL.BOEING.COM>

sexy crispen sez:
>Am I the only one who has this problem with sonic quality?  If so,
>just note this as a foible and pass it by.  If others out there
>share my problem, please speak up!

i've got the reverse problem: i usually find noise reduced recordings to
be unlistenable since the high frequency ranges are all gone. the hiss
problem may be solved, but the music sounds much duller and muted without
those missing frequencies (i know that's not how dolby works, but that
is the net effect).

however, i'm not as distraught by the idea of noise reduction as bob
here seems to be by the thought of no noise reduction, so i relinguish
my preferences in the sight of his much stronger ones.

woj
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:08:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      It's A Beautiful Day

>From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>

Michael said:
>>I am extremely incensed at the dog-in-the-manger attitude of major labels
>>who hold copyrights of important, in-demand records and won't make them
>>available. Can you say _It's a Beautiful Day_? Thought you could.

>  This topic came up 6 months or so ago. Someone said that some guy on the
>west coast had got the rights to _It's A Beautiful Day_ from CBS and had
>pressed a batch of CDs. And, when all were sold out he would press another
>lot, but increase the price, and carry on doing this, making the CD more
>and more expensive. When I heard this I dashed out to see if I could
>find a copy (IABD was on my 'Records To Be Replaced By CDs' list).
>Without too much trouble I found an copy on CBS's 'Nice Price' series.
>Maybe I was just lucky, beacuse I haven't seen another copy since.

Since I was the "some guy" Hosko is referring to, allow me to repeat
the story.  Once upon a time there was a good CD store in East Lansing
called CD Emporium.  (This was back when stores with "Records" in their
name actually did carry vinyl.  CD Emporium was the first store in
town to carry only CDs.)  One day I spotted a copy of the first
It's A Beautiful Day album with a price tag of $68.  When I questioned
the manager about the high price because while not cheap CD Emporium
was reasonable (Japanese 2 CD Miles Davis sets for $35), he told me
that some guy on the West Coast had the rights and pressed a small
number.  As I remember the story, there was only the one pressing.
The price would increase each time the store would reorder.  The $68
one was the third time the store had ordered.

I later found the first two It's A Beautiful Day as $18 discs on the
TRC label.  No address for the label, but the discs were made in
West Germany.

The CBS 'Nice Price' series has me puzzled.  Last Christmas I found
Leonard Cohen's _Songs of Love and Hate_ for $15 while Meatloaf's
_Deadringer_ was $23.50.  There was even a Japanese pressing of
Soft Machine's fourth album for $15 with a 'Nice Price' sticker.
Maybe the strange pricing was just Tower Records.  They had some
$15 imports, a lot more imports at their usual low twenties price,
and several that were over $30.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: More catagorization horror stories

I said:
> >     The real tragedy is that the white audience required watered down
> > versions of black music.  They just couldn't handle the raw sounds
> > that we think are so hot today.  But isn't that always the way?
> > Isn't rock 'n' roll just watered down blues mixed with a little
> > gospel?

And David Malbuff responded:
> Hell, no, it isn't. Maybe you're thinking of Pat Boone whitebread cover
> versions of Little Richard tunes. Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl
> Perkins, Buddy Holly, Little Richard, the Coasters, and on and on...
> watered down? No way.

    I'm gonna have to take issue with you on this one.  Have you
every heard Willie Mae (Big Momma) Thorton?  Go ahead find her
version of _Houndog_  then listen to Elvis.  I'm sorry, there is no
comparison.  The white audience (the mass audience, the ones the
record labels made music for) could not handle the raw energy of
Black Music.  Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino played weak
versions of the blues music that was so popular among the black
audience.
    I find most early rock 'n' roll hard to listen to.  Especially in
the wake of the real, hard core, gut wrenching music that was
available at the same time.  Rock 'n' Roll was just baby pap, to
pacify white, teenage audiences.


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>   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
> wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
> it's nudity more than anything else).

Anybody care to admit to ever having actually seen this performed live? I'm
sune somebody around here has since it was one of the longest running
productions in the history of broadway. Memory tells me that there was a
sequel written too, but the title escapes me. Wonder if you can write off
to the publishing company for perusial copy of the script and music. But
then again I suppose most community theatre groups wouldn't even consider
staging it anymore.

                                            Tom "Buck-Naked" Buck
                                             (hence the interest)
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Dear Dave,
  That rovk 'n roll class of yours sounds like it's really happenin',
and I'm glad to be the first to say I was dead wrong to have been so
cynical about it before the fact. Would you please keep us posted?
(Or me, anyway, should the list get bored; but from what you've said so
far, I can't imagine that happening)
Thanks,
Michael
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:02:22 EST
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Subject:      RE: Oh Calcutta (fwd)

[   Automatic replying doesn't always go back to the list. Sometimes it goes
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Tom "Naked as a Jay Bird" Buck sez:
> >   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
> > wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
> > it's nudity more than anything else).
>
> Anybody care to admit to ever having actually seen this performed live? I'm
> sune somebody around here has since it was one of the longest running
> productions in the history of broadway. Memory tells me that there was a
> sequel written too, but the title escapes me. Wonder if you can write off
> to the publishing company for perusial copy of the script and music. But
> then again I suppose most community theatre groups wouldn't even consider
> staging it anymore.
>
>                                             Tom "Buck-Naked" Buck
>                                              (hence the interest)
>
    It's interesting you should mention this.  Just a few weeks ago
there was a big stink in one of our neighboring Albama municipalities
(that's Huntsville, Al., Rev. Bob's neck o' the woods) over the
production of Oh, Calcutta.  Seems the towns leading citizens were a
might upset at the thought of nekked folks on stage.  Well, the most
humorous thing about is that Huntsville is home to one of the largest
porno shops in the U.S. (or so it claims).  It's also home to more
"Go-go's" than I think I've evr seen.  Seems if it ain't sleazy or
underhanded the founding fathers can't handle it.
    Sorry, to slice yer home town Bob, but the whole situation has
struck as just outrageous.
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Subject:      favorite songwriters

>From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>

>Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Bob Dylan before the his religous conversions
Phil Ochs
Elliot Murphy
the main writer for the Rainmakers (blast those missing brain cells)
Peter Hammill
a couple of dozen others I'll remember as soon as I send this off
Jim Steinman

As for a masterpiece song, I'll have to go with Steinman's "Tonight
Is What It Means To Be Young" from the movie _Streets Of Fire_.

As to why I didn't submit it for the compilation tape, the tape was
announced while I was on Christmas vacation.  When I returned, there
were 2200 messages unread.  By the time I found the announcement,
the deadline had passed.  A few days later I found the announcement
that the deadline had been extended, but by then the extended
deadline had already passed.  Sorry, folks.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Subject: Dream Theater
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:12:56 GMT

Dream Theater played Baltimore, MD in Decemeber.  They put on an amazing show
Does anyone know anything about them or their origins?  Last year they put
out only their second album, "Images and Words."
	Andy
	C.U.A.

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