HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:08:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.150422.18403@njitgw.njit.edu> dxg6476@hertz.njit.edu (David Gray) writes:
>In article <1993Jan06.172611.22160@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
>>In <1993Jan06.132959.25465@watson.ibm.com> roy@watson.ibm.com writes:
>>
>>Here is something that might not be an error, but is hard to explain:
>>
>>   In TESB, Han is lowered into the carbon-freeze chamber hands bound
>>   behind his back in cuffs.
>>   We see Han's face grimace as the carbon-freeze is activated and plums
>>   of gas rise out of the chamber.  Han's hands are still bound behind
>>   his back.
>>   When the frozen Han is displayed, his hands are clearly in front
>>   of him.  No cuffs!  Also, there are no cuffs on either hand when
>>   he is thawed by Leia in ROTJ.
>>
>>The question is:  "What happened to the cuffs?"
>>
>>Tom Rogers
>>roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
>
>This is not an error.  If you watch closely, Han's hands are never tied behind  his back, but rather in front.  He also has a restraint around his upper arms/  chest.  Just before He is lowered into the pit, one of the stormtroopers removeshis wrist restraints, but not the upper body one.  His hands were free.
>
>                                                Dave

	Aha! Then that bullshit about 'carbon perfusion of metal' was
total bullshit! This should teach you folks to think twice when
encountering a shyster!

			John
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The other Yoda spoke of
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:55:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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<DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>up the universe as far as the Force is concerned).  From what I've heard,
>>the final triology is to be about one of the underdeveloped characters
>>who survives the second trilogy.  Wedge fits this picture just fine...

>  Where'd you hear this, exactly?

I don't know... someone here on the net said it...

keith

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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re:THE SHOE IS DEAD (was: Silly Rumour
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:46:16 GMT
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In article <1993Jan21.182634.9011@ncsu.edu>, cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes...
>In article <mtrebel1-210193114052@mac13.trotter1.swarthmore.edu>, 
>  mtrebel1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matt Trebelhorn) writes:
>|>
>|>Is there anything to the rumour that a potato and a tennis shoe appear in
>|>the rebel armada at the end of ROTJ?
>|>We recently watched it in our dorm and a friend mentioned this rumour,
>|>which we weren't able to confirm.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>|>==Matt

A good argument for posting the FAQ itself every couple of weeks, instead of
just a "where to get it" message.  Makes it more likely people will read it.

>Well, as a previous chief deffender of the faith, I posted quite a few times
>on when and where the "shoe" is.  I have not heard of the "potato" (or is that
>"potatoe" -since last night it doesn't matter anymore does it? 8-)  )

I read the interview in Bantha Tracks about the potato in the asteroid field
in ESB.  The way I interpreted the statement was that there was a shot of a
potato included in one of the "layers" (I forget the correct term--mattes?)
when they were assembled, but it is not visible in the final film because
other layers are foreground of it, obscuring it.  I imagine the same holds
true for the tennis shoe (which I also thought was in ESB--but if you can't
see it I guess it really doesn't matter.  And if you COULD see it, I'm sure
it would have been found by now.)

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
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From: pimmel@eagles.cs.wisc.edu (David Pimmel)
Subject: Re: The other Yoda spoke of
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:45:56 GMT

In article <C18oz0.BCE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>
>
>>While I still agree that the "other" in TESB is Leia, there is still one
>>thing that bothers me about this:  If Ben was the one who hid Luke and
>>Leia, why did Ben say that Luke was their last hope?  Why didn't he
>>consider Leia?  Did Yoda realize that Leia could help them if Luke
>>failed, while Ben didn't?  If so, why didn't Ben think this?
>
>>(Okay, I know the real reason is that Lucas hadn't decided that Leia
>>would be Luke's sister until they were making RotJ, but I'm looking
>>for a good reason that fits in with the movies.)
>
>Some possibilities:
>
>1.  Ben, for whatever reason, does not consider Leia a viable candidate
>    for the job of Jedi Knight.  Perhaps she has some big personality
>    flaw that we don't get to see, or perhaps Ben feels she'd be more
>    useful to the Rebellion as a political figure than as a Jedi, or
>    perhaps Ben made a promise to Leia's foster father long ago that
>    he wouldn't get Leia involved in all this Jedi business when she
>    got older, or something like that.  Yoda, however, likes to keep
>    all his options open, and still considers Leia a candidate for
>    Jedi Knighthood if Luke doesn't pan out.
>

>                          --Steve Stelter
>                            sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Or, and I think most likely, Ben has a bit of a sexist streak in him and just
doesn't consider the possiblity of Leia serving in the capacity of a Jedi 
Knight.  There seems grounds to support his outdated viewpoint.  Are female
Jedis mentioned anyway else in any of the literature of films?  I don't think
so.  Yoda on the other hand, despite being even older, is a more progressive
thinker and thus proclaims Leia as an additional hope in the struggle against
evil.  

-- 

David Pimmel              Some say the glass is half-full,      
pimmel@cs.wisc.edu            Some say the glass is half-empty,
				I say the glass is just too big.x
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:01:06 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: star wars for cd-rom
 <1993Jan19.123615@cs.bham.ac.uk>
 <1993Jan20.054924.4595@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
 <wfLllDq00Uh7E6Oo9y@andrew.cmu.edu>

>my brother got super starwars for snes, and i played it over winter
>brake when I went home.  Its incredible!  If you own a SNES, you must
>pick up a copy of the game.

  WHERE IS THIS GAME???!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!??

  I was supposed to get it for Christmas, but we couldn't find it
  ANYWHERE!!!!!!

  NOBODY had it and NOBODY was planning to get any copies in!

  Do I just live in a shitty area, or what?


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Organization: Miskatonic University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:06:05 EST
From: Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
 <1junvtINNhiq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <93025.092632BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1993Jan26.013457.16500@ll.mit.edu>


I'm going to hate myself for replying to this, but, methinks you are
missing the point of the quote. Granted this is a really STUPID thing
to argueue over, so please don't follow this up. If you still
disagree, let's discuss it in E-mail....


In article <1993Jan26.013457.16500@ll.mit.edu>, shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel
Shoham) says:
>
>In article <93025.092632BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu> Brian Panulla, MooCow
><BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>>Yes, but the Death Star was not a true part of the Imperial Fleet. If you    k
>thin
>>back to the "Board Meeting" in ANH, Admiral Motti shows disgust for the
>Fleet,
>>in deference to the Death Star.
>>
>><begin quote>
>>TAGGE: Until this battle station is fully operational we are
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more
>>dangerous than you realize.
>>
>>           The bitter Admiral Motti twists nervously in his chair.
>>
>>MOTTI: Dangerous to your starfleet, Commander, not to this battle
>>station!
>><end quote>
>>
>>Q.E.D.
>
>Well, ships that are not yet operational are generally not considered parts
>of a fleet. Although MOTTI was still (over)confident that the DS could defend
>itself, it was not yet finished.
>
>The DS did become operational at a ceremony hosted by Tarkin (with Liea as his
>guest), and hence part of the starfleet.


The way I interpret what was said was that the Death Star, despite the fact
that it can move, is NOT part of the Imperial fleet. It is a Space Station
after all, and hence not a ship. I think it falls under a different branch
of the Empire's millitary machine.

Either that, or Motti is just so friggin' proud of the DS that he has declared
the Fleet obsolete.
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Subject: Re: x-wings?????? why?????
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:43:59 EST
 <1jot2qINNeeh@oak8.doc.ic.ac.uk><C1C6tz.2w9@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

You're wrong on one of your points though.  Ships can be and are tracked while
in hyperspace.  Vader and Tarkin track the Millenium Falcon to the Yavin base
during it's jaunt through hyperspace with the newly rescued Princess Leia.

                                                 --Eric
From: flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons (and At-Ats)
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:13:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1993Jan21.160617.2770@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>If he wasn't just making up the name, then why didn't he call them by their
>name?  They are All-Terrain Armoured-Transports, or AT-ATs for short, but no
>where in their name is the word walker.  

A US pilot might say "We've got some Russian bogies coming in at 270 mark 5"
instead of MIG-29's.  Especially if there were 29's, 27's, attack helicopters,
etc. 

A chopper pilot in Nam might have flown a Hog.  He would also be a helicopter
pilot flying a Huey 204. (I think that's the number)

Anyway, the point is : nicknames.

Besides, there were AT-AT's and at least one AT-ST, so 'walkers' might be a
group classification.  Besides, AT-ST is impossible to pronounce without
sounding silly.

-Bill


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From: assaf@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New movie or just books
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:43:17 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

In article <93019.132420BXW1@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BXW1@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Okay, someone answer me.  WHAT is going on with Star Wars.  I've heard talk abo
> a new movie (which is needed since the only thing that George Lucas is making m
> y off of is Industrial Light and Magic) but is there really going to be one?  S
> ar, all I've seen are the books for parts 5, 6 and (I assume) 7.  I haven't kep
> p with Star Wars like I used to but things got so stagnant, I became a Trekkie!
> ny information is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  BW
	In an interview with the author done through Waldenbook's Hailing
Frequency he said he was given permission to do the Episode 7,8, and 9.
Lucas has been planning to release the prequel to the original.

SAF
From: megazone@oconnor.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:24:04 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <C1FsBq.IIu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
>     You are about right on the aircraft carriers we have- about five, depend-
>     ing on which one is in for refitting for a couple of years. However, the
>     United States Navy no longer uses batlleships- Desert Storm was their 
>     last use, and now they are museum pieces.

Sorry... Fresh from sci.military (I love sychronicity...)


>[mod note -- From all the other posting, here is the "canonical" list
>of U.S. Carriers currently being used:
>Ship		Class		Propulsion
>----------	----------	-----------------
>Forrestal	Forrestal	Oil  (note -- used as training carrier)
>Ranger		Forrestal	Oil
>Saratoga	Forrestal	Oil
>Independence	Forrestal	Oil
>JFK		JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>Constellation	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>America	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>Kitty Hawk	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>Enterprise	Enterprise	Nuclear
>Nimitz		Nimitz		Nuclear
>Eisenhower	Nimitz		Nuclear
>Vinson		Nimitz		Nuclear
>Roosevelt	Nimitz		Nuclear
>Lincoln	Nimitz		Nuclear
>The USS George Washington was commissioned on Independence Day, '92
>at Pier 12, Norolk Naval Base, Norfolk, Va.
(GW is another Nimitz class...)

Plus we have several landing ships, LHAs like the Wasp class, the Tarawa's,
etc that are as big as a WWII aircraft carrier and operate helicpters and
Marine AV-8B Harriers. These ships can carry as much airpower as some of
the world's smaller carriers AND a landing force...

The British have three small carriers with ski ramps for Harriers. The
French have two small carriers for conventional aircraft, with one nuclear
carrier building and one more planned.

The Indian Navy has the old British Ark Royal... The Russians have the old
half-deckers and one full size carrier, with the Ukraine building another.
Apparently for sale to India or China... The nuclear carrier was scrapped.

BTW, the 4 Iowa class battleships are not 'museum pieces', they are part of
the reserve fleet. Since world war two they have been in and out of mothballs,
for Korea, Vietnam, then for active duty and used in Lebanon, the gulf...

There is no equal for the 16" guns for shore bombardment, and the BBs were
the heaviest armored vessels we had, still remarkably fast for their size
to at 33knots. With 32 Tomahawks, 16 Harpoons, 9-16" guns, 12-5" guns (or was
it 8?), 4 20mm Phalanx CIWS, and a helicopter, the Iowa's are very well armed.
Good ships, I don't expect they'll be fully retired any time soon. (Ie,
stricken)

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From: gkullava@nyx.cs.du.edu (George Kullavan)
Subject: Xwing release
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 22:39:00 GMT


I think I read on Fidonet that X-Wing was delayed because Lawrence Hollan

who also helped with Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe was working on that
because that got delayed.



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From: djtooley@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Doug Tooley)
Subject: Re: Super SW and Film release timeline.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:22:40 GMT

crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>I was watching Poltergeist the other night (just got in a silly kind of 
>mood and felt like watching it).  The amount of SW paraphenalia in the 
>sons bedroom is quite amazing: posters everywhere, the Darth Vader action 
>figure case (with eyes painted red, no less), FX-7 sitting behind his 
>headboard, and Luke Skywalker protruding from Carol Ann's mouth.  Oops, 
>almost forgot the Star Wars bed-spread (I used to have one, but I don't 
>think I'd still be using it today, even if I did still have it).  Hmmm...
>Poltergeist was on cable, so maybe it was broadcast in hopes that 
>everybody would see all the nifty Star Wars merchandise!  Was this film 
>meant to peak our interests in Star Wars again?!? =)

I would guess the reason would be this:  ILM did a sh*t load of work
on Poltergeist. (Some amazing "behind the sceens" stuff in the book
_Industrial Light and Magic: The Art of Special Effect_)

I would even hazzard a guess: Maybe some of those models were the original
Star Wars models?  Speculation?

>TARDIS Express:  When it absolutely, positively has to be there yesterday.
I like it. :-)

...."I haven't lost my mind, I know exactly where I left it."................
Doug Tooley             3B Co-Op CS student at U of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
djtooley@{descartes|napier|cayley}.uwaterloo.ca
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Subject: NEW MOVIES please read again
From: husty@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:25:25 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center

	WAITADAMNMINIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	THERE  ARE  NO   NEW  STAR   WARS   MOVIES!!!!!!!!!


		are there?@#$%?


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-Red Leader
"Wow, look at the size of that thing"
-Wedge
"Cut the chatter Red two"
-Red Leader                                    Jester "Fool for Hire"
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: gtd227a@prism.gatech.EDU (frenchie of the hill people)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford Movies
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:45:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <eDkwXB4w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> quantum@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Blake Matthews) writes:
>Does anybody know the complete list of movies Harrison Ford starred in?
>

Ok, here ya go.  This list is taken directly from the archive at 
wpi.wpi.edu.  Loads and loads of great stuff there.  For those who
haven't yet, check it out.  Well , hope this helps...


  Dead Heat on a Merry-go-Round - 1966
  Luv - 1967
  A Time for Killing/The Long Ride Home - 1967
  Journey to Shiloh - 1968
  Getting Straight - 1970
  American Grafitti - 1973
  The Conversation - 1974
  Star Wars - 1977
  Heroes - 1977
  Force 10 From Navarone - 1978
  Hanover St. - 1979
  Apocolypse Now - 1979
  More American Grafitti - 1979
  Frisco Kid -1979
  The Empire Strikes Back - 1980
  Raiders of the Lost Ark - 1981
  Blade Runner - 1982
  Return of the Jedi - 1983
  Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - 1984
  Witness - 1985
  Mosquito Coast - 1986
  Frantic - 1988
  Working Girl - 1988
  Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - 1989
  Presumed Innocent -1990
  Regarding Henry - 1991
  Patriot Games - 1992


-- 
Sean Johnson -- Frenchie, Grand Poobah of my very own Motorcycle Gang 
   "People say to just be yourself.  But if you really do that, it's the
    most threatening, subversive thing you can possibly do." 
                                     - Vernon Reid,  Living Colour
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Harpoons (and At-Ats)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:13:55 GMT


     An observation: After Luke tripped up one of the AT-ATs, the Rebel
pilots promptly shot the walker in its weak spot (the neck) and blew
it up.  The fact that the Rebels seem to know about this weakness
implies that they've had some experience with these things before.


                          --Steve Stelter
                            sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars comics
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:43:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu's message of 28 Jan 93 00:36:38 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Jan 93 00:36:38 GMT, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) said:

mcmahan> Are these new comics going to continue the $2.50+ trend?
mcmahan> Dark Horse has no qualms about screwing SW fans over a few
mcmahan> times...

mcmahan> Classic Re-Hash certainly doesn't warrant that hefty price
mcmahan> tag! The first original series was original and was at least
mcmahan> well painted and very glossy (TOO glossy -- I'd rather have
mcmahan> something less expensive that doesn't hold fingerprints!!!),
mcmahan> but for CSW there's no excuse.

Most all comics are about $2.00 now a days. I think the cheapest book
I get are the Superman titles, and they're $1.50 I think. $2.50 isn't
outragous for a comic in todays comic market. 

mcmahan> At least Marvel put them out for $0.35 and you got Carmine
mcmahan> Infantino and Terry Austin! *sigh* the Good Old Days!

This was also 15 years ago.... If Marvel was still producing it, you
would be paying $2.00. Not 35 cents. 

--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
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From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hardware Wars
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:25:37 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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Originator: lyon@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <C1KtzA.L7n@unix.amherst.edu> mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (A waste of ban
dwidth originating) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there remember Hardware Wars, a SW takeoff shown when ANH
>went on cable?  How can I find it on video?
>
>Marlon

I too would be interesting in snatching up a copy if anyone knows who to
contact.
-- 
-Scott Lyon
"Never tell me the odds" -Han Solo (The Empire Strikes Back)
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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re:  How do Tie figthers move?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:48:52 GMT

In article <C15rx3.ItA@unccsun.uncc.edu> ebstokes@uncc.edu writes:
>The engines of the TIE fighters are electric in nature (Twin Ion Engine). They need not have the rocket exhaust spewing out the back. Unless your eyes are tuned to ionized
>radiation, you would not see anything.
>
Nope, nope, nope. There are two VISIBLE Ion Engines on the back of each TIE
fighter, one on either side of the hexagonal rear window. Vader's fighter has
four Ion Engines. They are small red dots, and they are not tail lights.

Ion Engines are a real technology that is being developed; the unusual thing
is, they work best when they have a long time to build up speed--not the ideal
thruster, it would seem, for a maneuverable little fighter.

					local Star Wars guru
______________________________________________________________________________
"I will not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that
brings total obliteration... --from the Litany against Fear

		Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Wedge's relative owned R2?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:19:02 GMT

jthorpe1@cc.swarthmore.edu (jere7my tho?rpe) writes:

>Also, who does Leia think her father is?  She mentions him in the hologram
>in the first movie, but we all know now it's really Darth Vader...  (The
>gist of the quote was something like "Obi-Wan, you helped my father in the
>Clone Wars.  Now he needs your help on Alderaan...")  Was she adopted? 
>(Luke knows his "parents" are reall Aunt and Uncle...)

Leia thinks her father is (or *was*, since he bought it when Alderaan
blew up) Bail Organa, a friend of Anakin and Obi-Wan back in the Clone
Wars, an influential senator, and one of the founders of the Rebellion.
This comes from the source material for the Star Wars RPG, so apply
grains of salt as needed.


                              --Steve Stelter
                                sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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