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From: pmfisher@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Fisher)
Subject: Re: CD Repair
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:32:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.033959.21186@Thalatta.COM> bossert@Thalatta.COM (John Bossert) writes:
>Can anyone recommend a decent, affordable place to have a CD player
>repaired?  Thanks.
>
	You may be better off buying a new one depending on the
broken one that you have.  Repairs and RIP-OFFS are very expensive.
20/20 did a report on electronics repair places and most of them
ripped people off big time.  And even if you don't get ripped off,
repairs can be almost as costly as a new cd player.

	Pat- 
A
A
cost >-- 
>
>In-Real-Life: John Bossert, Thalatta Corporation, (+1 206.455.9838)
>Domain: bossert@Thalatta.COM   Path: ...!sun!sunup!thebes!bossert


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Register to vote at Pike Place
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.022519.22950@polari> dwdyer@polari.online.com writes:
>
>It always reminded me of that political ad where someone pulled the
>lever of one candidate and the world blew up.  Anyone remember who that
>was??
>

Ronald Reagan.   The ad was sponsored by the Carter campaign.



Yeah, it blowed up *real* good!   :-)


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: so, pro-windmill cadres...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:48:24 GMT

In article <MS-C.718341383.377401575.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>, Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
> Let me get this straight.  So that your windmills can supply enough
> energy to serve current needs, you are proposing that you clearcut
> Washington State and fill it with windmills and cows?  Such
> environmental consciousness.
> 
> Oh.  I get it.  You want to build windmills *only* in those few areas
> that are devoid of trees, windy, and not used for anything other than
> cow pastures.  Just ignore the fact that the electricity you'll get
> from the whole mess is a drop in the bucket of the overall energy
> needs.

I've got news for you.  Washington has more land area east of the
Cascades than it does west of them.  Granted, not all of Eastern
Washington is desert, but plenty of it is.  And there are a lot
of treeless, windy ridges -- the Horse Heaven Hills, Ahatanum (sp?)
Ridge, Manastash Ridge, North and South Umptanum Ridges, and that's
just the ones that are near the Yakima Valley, where I lived.

> [ edited ]
> Perhaps you should spend some time living in a `desert' to appreciate
> why windmills are not welcome `environmentally neutral' technology.

I've lived for 9 years in New Mexico, 2 years in Utah, and 2 years 
in Eastern Washington.  Perhaps *you* should spend some time living
in the desert.

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:31:29 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1254@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:
/In article <1992Sep28.195107.12497@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes, while quoting others:
/:>   The family leave bill only applied to companies with >50 people.
/:At that somehow makes it right?  The same principle applies.
/Right or not, there is a difference.  If you are going to require
/it (and I don't know if it should be required or not), at least
/require it of companies that can better afford to give the benefit.

The family leave bill would have at least 3 effects:
o	An incentive for growing companies to stop hiring at 50 people.
	An incentive for companies with >50 people to fire a few to get
	below 50.
o	A disincentive for companies to hire people for key positions who
	would be likely to take parental leave. (This probably means
	young women.)
o	Another cost to business that makes American business less
	competitive. Adding burdens to business drives out of business the
	marginal ones and moves the rest down a notch towards being marginal.

Naturally, all these costs are hidden because they are not accounted for
using normal accounting techniques. This means that they appear "free" to
politicians and gullible constituents.

Large businesses go out of business all the time. There is no magic that
says that a larger business is making a higher profit as a percentage of
revenue. Adding burdens to large businesses because they can "afford" it
better has the tendency of making small businesses out of them.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Paying for unlisted phone number.
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:05:58 GMT

In <1992Oct6.093636.1987@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:

>ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp) writes:
>>I just investigated changing my home phone number to an
>>unlisted number, and was told by GTE NW that it will cost 
>>me $2.20 each MONTH!!!    
>>
>>This is absurd!  I can understand paying a one-time service 
>>fee to alter my database entry, but why should I have to 
>>continuously pay for my privacy?

>When they print the phone books each year, they've got to move all the names
>past yours down to fill the gap.  Thus, it costs them each year to unlist
>your number.  Hence, the fee.

>--Tim Smith

That may have been true on old-fashioned typesetting printing presses, but
these days with computers, it's a simple database query of "do not print filed
that has the 'unlisted' code in it" and *poof*  off to the printer it goes
(usually via telecomm).

Crystal
  ;>

Newsgroups: seattle.general,uw.general
From: gwynne@milton.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: REAL Fun (was Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:16:11 GMT

In article <356@sleepy.UUCP> allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn) writes:
>
>I have survived and thrived without tv for 14 wonderfull years. I did not
>miss a darn thing. I get so much more things done. Like reading an average
>of two decent sized books per week. Going out and doing things (what I
>call active entertainment). Getting more exercize. 
>
>Peace!
>Mark Allyn
>

Now, my version of REAL fun is doing as Mark stated above but with 
slight variation:  I go through about 5 books a week, walk a 1.5 or 
miles a day, ride public transportation, watch about 6 hours of TV
a week with and without my daughter, keep the mold out of the kitchen
and still have time to do the active entertainment bit.

Mark, I'm glad that you are able to get places on your bike.  I am 
unfortunately time-limited because of the limited amount of time that
my daughter can be left alone so I can't afford the luxury of bike
riding.  

I am also glad that you are happy having no TV.  I wish my best 
friend didn't have one because she constantly has it on which 
excludes her from any interaction with the outside world after
she gets home from work.

However, I didn't want this to get into a holier-than-thou flame
war.  I have cable and am irritated that I have no say over
what the company decides to show and how they decide to show it.
Any monopoly bugs me and throwing away my TV isn't going to change
the fact that it is still looming in the background.  Remember
Bell Telephone and its slogan "We don't care.  We don't have to."
I don't want that to happen with the cable company, and then the
bus company (which I think should be next on the chopping block),
the street cleaners, the grocery stores (ever notice how many 
Safeways there are?  I make a point not to shop them because 
they have run so many nice grocery stores out of business).

This thread was not meant to be a "who's living better than who"
but mainly a "how to keep the cable/phone/bus/Safeway/etc.
company from becoming the ONE BEST WAY aside from tossing your
TV out the window.  People are happy, IMHO, when they have 
more than one choice and even happier when they have more
options than two.

Kristan
gwynne@u.washington.edu
 

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Paying for unlisted phone number.
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:10:57 GMT

In <1992Oct5.230254.4013@GTEtele.com> ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp) writes:

>I just investigated changing my home phone number to an
>unlisted number, and was told by GTE NW that it will cost 
>me $2.20 each MONTH!!!    

>This is absurd!  I can understand paying a one-time service 
>fee to alter my database entry, but why should I have to 
>continuously pay for my privacy?   The only reason I can 
>surmise is that GTE wants to discourage people from not listing, 
>which would leave them with less numbers to sell/publish.

>Are my complaints, and right to privacy, ignored because I am 
>purchasing a service?  Has anybody tried to fight this with any 
>success?

>I'd love to hear any comments or suggestions,

>Ken Swapp
>-- 
>Ken Swapp
>ken@gtenmc.gtetele.com


Well, I always thought it was a bit bizarre to have to pay for NOT using any
ink or paper for my unlisted number.  Since those who are listed DON'T have
to pay, can we assume that ink has no value and no ink is expensive?

Crystal
  ;>
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:15:44 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Sep28.195812.23556@u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan {IS}) writes:
/If the government didn't require businesses to "do the right thing",
/they wouldn't.

If that was so, why does Nordstrom accept "returned" merchandise even if
it was bought from another store or obviously worn out?

Why does Microsoft give unusually large stock options to its employees?

Why do most employees get paid more than minimum wage?

Why do businesses offer health plans to their employees?

The answer, of course, is that business prospers by doing right by its
customers and employees.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling)
Subject: Re: so, pro-windmill cadres...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:49:06 GMT

Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:

>Let me get this straight.  So that your windmills can supply enough
>energy to serve current needs, you are proposing that you clearcut
>Washington State and fill it with windmills and cows?

I read every posting on the subject, including the original one by
Mr. Crispin.  No one made this proposal.

>Oh.  I get it.  You want to build windmills *only* in those few areas
>that are devoid of trees, windy, and not used for anything other than
>cow pastures.  Just ignore the fact that the electricity you'll get
>from the whole mess is a drop in the bucket of the overall energy
>needs.

Perhaps you could supply a well-founded estimate of how much
electrical power would be generated from said "few areas"?  In
addition, the current "overall energy needs" in MW would be
useful to substantiate this statement.

>Just ignore the fact you'll be spending all that money to accomplish
>nothing, so more fossil-fuel burning plants will have be constructed
>to fill the gap.

What gap?  Presumably conservation is necessary in addition to
expansion of power generation facilities.  I doubt growth in
this area can proceed unbounded whatever the means of generation.
Again, relevant figures such as present and projected consumption
and projected generation from new facilities are necessary
to support this argument.

>have lots of trees (or water) is a sterile wasteland.  The claim of
>`no significant bird kills' does not mesh with what I read from the
>California chapter of the Sierra Club either.

What did you read from the California chapter of the Sierra Club?
It is difficult to determine the validity of an argument without
specific references.

--Jamie Pehling
  january@eskimo.celestial.com
-- 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: COPS in Seattle
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: uassa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:38:04 GMT

mojo@polari.online.com writes:
: 
: This article is intended to analyze certain flaws in the 'bedside-manner'
: of our local constabulary (Seattle) as exhibited in a recent COPS episode.

Was this the same show that neglected to show ANY Seattle PD Officers?
Let's see... Tacoma, maybe Kingo Co. PD, and a Thurston County SO unit?

Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joe Kelsey)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:37:41 GMT

In <1992Sep30.232711.12915@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:
>	They are claiming 36 channel max, then a couple years
>ago they start broadcasting 2 (two) more channles making it 38.
>channel 60 on by tv remote control box and 99 on by VCR is

If you look at the channel allocation map for cable TV on an *old* (i.e. early
80s) cable-ready TV or VCR you can explore the limits of the ``36-channel''
system.  Yes, they call it ``36-channels'' because the numbering system goes
from the VHF 2-13, then the ``cable-only'' 14-36, plus the ``special''
channels 91-99.  Most *old* cable systems use the ``extra'' channels for the
special event programming and preview services, as you noticed.  This still
doesn't mean that anything changed on your cable system -- the ``channels'' in
the 9x range didn't suddenly appear -- you always had them, either you just
didn't notice or the cable company didn't bring them to your attention.

Basically, channels 2-13 don't count when totalling the number of available
channels on your cables system, since these cahnnels follow exactly the
frequencies used by channels 2-13 broadcast stations.  Channels 14-36 and
91-99 constitute the cable-only range handled by a given cable system.

I personally think that if we hadn't had cable deregulation during the Reagan
admihnistration, the cable systems in Seattle would have upgraded their coax
and amplifiers to handle the increased channel capacity.  However, they still
would have used ``coax'' delivery.  Now, they apparantly want to install
``fibre'' delivery, which increases the possibilities even more, especially if
we regain regulatory powers to *force* them to spend their ill-gotten profits
on infrastructure and customer service!

Every month I write ``ADD COMEDY CENTRAL'' all over my cable bill (to Chambers
Cable), hoping that they will deep-six the Family Channel or the Religion
Channel or one of the other useless channels that *I* never watch.  So far,
all I've received in return is a self-serving letter from the president of
Chambers Cable (in Eugene OR no less!) explaining how they can't possibly
change the cable line-up and anyway they also get lots of people asking for
Lifetime, etc., so they can safely ignore my request...

*Sigh*.

/Joe

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:04:37 GMT

In article <941@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>The family leave bill would have at least 3 effects:
>o	An incentive for growing companies to stop hiring at 50 people.
>	An incentive for companies with >50 people to fire a few to get
>	below 50.

If the market still functions, another company would start and grow to ~50
employees. People would still be employed. Goods and services would still be
produced in the proper amount and for the lowest price possible. The loss of 
economy of scale would drive the lowest price up a bit and increased 
competition would lower it. I suspect that the net effect would be a slightly 
higher price reflecting the real cost of the leglislation. 

>o	A disincentive for companies to hire people for key positions who
>	would be likely to take parental leave. (This probably means
>	young women.)t

Yes, young woman would have to make an exceptional contribution to get key
positions. Maybe we could think up some leglislation that would also have
this effect for men, and then we would see some real economic gains.

>o	Another cost to business that makes American business less
>	competitive. Adding burdens to business drives out of business the
>	marginal ones and moves the rest down a notch towards being marginal.
>

I believe you are correct. We should consider this cost against the value 
of the leglislation.

>Large businesses go out of business all the time. 

Not usually if they make it to the monopoly/oligopoly stage. This certainly 
hurts American competitiveness. 

>There is no magic that says that a larger business is making a higher profit
>as a percentage of revenue. Adding burdens to large businesses because they 
>can "afford" it better has the tendency of making small businesses out of 
>them.

So what? 


-- 
---
Mike Zintel             zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com not zintel@mdi.com anymore
Motorola Mobile Data
Bothell, WA
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: Save the Folklife Festival...City Council meeting Thursday
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:48:43 GMT

[Since kaliyuga's original post went out with a bad subject line, I will
 re-quote most of it here...] kaliyuga@carson.u.washington.edu writes:

  There will be a public hearing at 7 pm Thursday, October 8, 1992 in
  the City Council Chambers, Municipal Building, 11th floor, 600 Fourth Ave
  in downtown Seattle. Seattle Center proposes to begin charging an
  admission to Northwest Folklife Festival this year and into the future.
  Folklife has been free to all for the entire 21 years of its history. Over
  7000 people volunteer their time and energy to make it the most fun of all
  the public events held in Seattle. Performers and many other individuals
  donate their services, and more than 80% of the cost of the festival comes
  from donations, sales, and corporate and foundation support. Many other
  cultural events are held free of charge at Seattle Center, which is part
  of its reason for being, as stated in its mission statement. 

  Now Seattle Center management has singled out Folklife from all the other
  non-commercial events held there, to attempt to begin charging. Please
  call all the members of the City Council (684-8888) and the Mayor
  (684-4000) and ask them to prevent this from happening. Also please attend
  the City Council public hearing and speak up against the fees. Many
  families attend the whole long weekend with their kids. If there was a
  fee, more would not be able to do so. 

  Please call Northwest Folklife for more information on how you can help
  prevent this wonderful cultural event from being limited and
  commercialized (684-7300), and please attend the public hearing. Go at
  6:30 to sign up to speak.

David sez:

The only thing I would add to this post is some background: Seattle Center,
like all Seattle City departments, has a mandated 1% budget cut this year.
This amounts to $200,000, which is the estimated value they place on the
in-kind services they "give" to Folklife. Essentially, they are trying
to balance their budget entirely on the backs of the Festival, a terrible
and completely visionless piece of bureaucratic hand-washing that saves the
Center from having to make some *real* choices about their fiscal outlays.

If you want Folklife to be like Bumbershoot, with huge lines and locked gates
and ever-rising admission charges, then perhaps you don't really care about
this. If you *do* care, make your opinion felt - as the poster stated above,
either in person or by phone.

Feel free to call me if you have any questions....547-6060.

-- 
David Ruggiero  (osiris@halcyon.com)      Seattle, WA
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: U Dist. Restaurants?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:39:12 GMT

In article <3118@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>In article <machman.718055106@milton> machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:
>>
>>Try the Last Exit on Brooklyn, just south of 40th st.  They have 
>>espresso, coffee, teas, sandwiches, soups, desserts, etc., and
>>a unique atmosphere.
>>
>He's right that it's a great place, but be forwarned:  the unique
>atmosphere he mentions is tobacco smoke, lots of it (unless it's
>changed - I haven't been in there for about 2 years).

No.  It hasn't changed a bit.  It is a fun place to be if you don't
mind the noise, heavy and choking smoke, and sharing table with strangers.
I think there is some sort of musical performance every Monday started
at 7pm.  It also has more chess players than any other cafes in the U-Dist.
I guess some people can completely isolate themselves from their surrounding.


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: prager@mdd.comm.mot.com (David Prager)
Subject: Jewelery Maker recommendation
Keywords: Custom jeweler
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:11:52 GMT

I'm looking for a jeweler/jewelry maker in the Seattle area to help me
design and build a couple of rings. Does anyone have experience with
someone local with a sense of imagination?


===============================================================
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Motorola					(H)206-485-4397
Mobile Data Division
19807 Northcreek Parkway		
Bothell, WA 98011			prager@mdd.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: I need cofee expresso machine
Keywords: coffe, machine, hardware 	Hello, folks.
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:16:56 GMT

In <1992Oct6.180717.3375@u.washington.edu> yuri@amath.washington.edu (Yuri Yulaev) writes:

>Can smbdy tell me where can I buy cheaper, but not nececcary cheapest coffe-
>maker like Krupp. I need to make 2-4 cups at once.
>	Thanks in advance. Yuri.

The cheapest Krupps-like expresso machines I've seen are at Costco.  (In
Seattle, expresso machines are a commodity item...)

                           "I'll tell you one person who doesn't think we've
                            wasted our money on $600 toilet seats --- Saddam
                            Hussein."
                                           -- Dan Quayle

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