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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:39:13 CDT
From:         Bill Hunter <BHUNTER@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: VTAM app using APPCCMD
              27 Aug 1992 11:12:03 -0500 from <STU_MAFERERO@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:12:03 -0500 <STU_MAFERERO@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU> said:
>Netters,
>
>Has anyone out their written a VTAM application using the APPCCMD macro?
>I am trying to write one and am having some problems. Specifically, I am
>trying to establish a session between VTAM and a PC running an Lu6.2 appc
>programming package as a single session conversation. I can get to the point
>in the VTAM program to ALLOCATE the transaction program on the PC, but I get
>a return code saying that there is not enough sessions to do the ALLOCATE.
>
>Yes, I set the CNOS request to set a single session and that returns fine.
>Any help or ideas would be welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael A. Ferero
>STU_MAFERERO@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
You might want to look at 1992 VM Workshop stuff at 'ksuvm.ksu.edu'.  There
is a package called APPCDEMO by Dwight McCann.  It might help you out.
I don't know what APPCDEMO does but if its name means anything.....
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:35:00 PDT
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PLPA and COMMON on the same volume

I've had PLPA and COMMON on the same volume for many years -- since
the 64M 3090 at my previous employer.  I looked at the paging rates
for PLPA and for common, and they were something like 2/min and 0/min,
so I figured it was reasonable to put them on the same volume.  I
sized them normally, i.e., no overflow from PLPA to COMMON.  I have
some vague recollection of a negative performance implication from the
overflow.  Maybe the init and tuning mentions this.  Unless your
paging rate to both datasets is noticably different from zero, I
wouldn't bother with the overflow business.  For one thing, you get an
ugly message at IPL time, and for another, you need to turn off the
Omegamon warning about that event.  I just make sure that PLPA and
COMMON are next to each other and to the VTOC.

/Leonard

P.S.  The first time I ever saw the IPL-time complaint about overflow
was a couple months ago when I brought up my new CBIPO 3.1.3 system
(which replaced an older 3.1.3 CBIPO system.)  The upleveled products
in PLPA must have grown by quite a bit.
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:58:25 -0400
From:         Doug Fraser <dfraser@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: PLPA and COMMON on the same volume

I did this once.  I did not do it because I had a shortage of volumes but
because there was not too much plpa, clpa paging.  When the paging
increased, I had to put the plpa and clpa on seperate packs after several
months.  As I recall, the theory is to have as little as possible in the
plpa so that the plpa and clpa are effectively in one page datasets.  I
believe that the minimum size you can allocate a page dataset is one
cylinder but it has been many years since I did this.

Remember to have a backup set of page datasets that you have tested before
you start making changes.

Doug Fraser                         email: dfraser@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
System Support Manager              phone: (416) 525-9140 ext 3868
Computing and Information Services  fax:   (416) 528-3773
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
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From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:24:00 GMT

In article <920827.210859.EDT.LENBOYLE@ccvm.sunysb.edu>,
Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU> writes:

>Because the bookie gml files are not available for most products, I
>assume that Steve would like the format of the book files.

Correct.  I'd like to be able to view IBM's books.  We have other ways
of displaying our own documentation - and one's own doc can be built
to suit one's environment, needless to say.

>Maybe IBM could ship the source gml files for all books, release the
>book formats, or generate tex DVI files.

Having the source would be good; documenting the hairy structure of
the formatted books would be better (and possibly make IBM's OCO
contingent happier?).  Generating TeX would not; PostScript might be.

(We've already seen one publicly available software package offer
its documentation in TeX format.  After failing to print the stuff off
(TeX isn't exactly a turnkey app), we lucked out with the next release
from the author: the doc came in PostScript format.)

--
Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:20:27 EDT
From:         Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PROC TAPELABEL and 3490E drives

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:25:41 EDT F.Joseph Kelley said:
>Hi,
>I sent originally this out to SAS-L, but perhaps this is a
>more appropriate group.  I would appreciate any information
>that the List would provide.
>--Joe Kelley

Your mail has prompted me to check into this again...
I contacted SAS a while back about this and the response was that
"application programs are not aware of compression since it's a
hardware feature".  Well, I wasn't totally convinced then or now.
I just started another Tracking number (256737) on this today.

The reason I think that SAS should find a way to determine/estimate
compressed tape utilization is that we use FATS/FATAR (from Inovation?)
and it yields an ungainly tape map that shows true est. feet used.
In fact, their doc says that the hardware returns sensing values that
help the application program determine the compression ratio.
I think that SAS should review it's estimated feet algorithm for
compressed cartridges (they know that the tape is compressed since
the TRTCH entry is 'P' and the DEN entry is '0'!).
I'd give SAS a call and report PROC TAPELABEL as incorrect.
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello Net,
>We have begun to make our 3490E drives available to the general
>user community (square tapes) and are being asked about the amt
>of footage files use ... I know these drives employ some sort of
>compression, but is this nailed down?  We have been told that the
>expanded square tapes are 1100 ft and when running TAPELABEL it
>will report (for example) that we have used over 1600 feet ...
>what gives?  Any nice method of computing this?  (the IBM manual
>on this is less than helpful)
>Thanks in advance...
>--Joe Kelley
>SAS 6.07 MVS
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:47:26 PDT
From:         JAVED MASOOD <A3JM@PSUORVM.BITNET>

SIGN ON
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:03:00 EDT
From:         David Condrey 656-2733 <DAVIDC@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM (cd-changer)

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:16:00 EDT "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <URJLEW@UNC.BITNET> sai
d:
> All this discussion of Manuals on line has so far not touched
> on the operatins/policy aspects of offering this as a service.
> 1. There are many CD ROMS.
> 2. There is a much smaller number of CD ROM readers
> So there arises a need for a CD ROM operations center, with
> an operator to mount/dismount CD ROMS for users on whatever
> network is used to access the CD readers. There arises a need
> for a way to request a CD ROM mount and a way of telling a
> requestor that all readers are busy, etc. etc. etc.
>
> Is the CD ROM center to be placed in the central library, or
> as a part of the central computing facilities? Is there a
> conflict? (who orders new ROMS? who coordinates manuals with
> software?)

We are using Pioneer's 6 disk CD-changer on our OS/2 system. Using SCSI,
you can chain 7 of these on one local bus to achieve 7 drives accessing
42 disks.  I guess this can be legitimized as operations work. We hope
to put this system on the network, maybe with NFS, to allow other
workstation users to access the drive. To mount these from MVS will
require the DFP people to get some work done on a NFS client for MVS.

From what I have been able to gather, IBM is not sure how they are
going to handle all of the distribution issues. My personal view is
that you should be able to order a CD containing all books for products
at your site (aka SLSS - but correct).

-David
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:28:07 PDT
From:         "Mark C. Lawrence" <M.Lawrence@STANFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      IBM Documents on CD-ROM

REPLY TO 08/31/92 05:47 FROM IBM-MAIN@RICEVM1.BITNET "IBM Mainframe Discussion
list": Re: CD-ROM

On 08/31/92, Steve Bacher <SEB1525@MVS.DRAPER.COM> writes:
>Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:24:00 GMT
>Subject:      Re: CD-ROM
>In article <920827.210859.EDT.LENBOYLE@ccvm.sunysb.edu>,
>Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU> writes:
>
>>Because the bookie gml files are not available for most products, I
>>assume that Steve would like the format of the book files.
>
>Correct.  I'd like to be able to view IBM's books.  We have other ways
>of displaying our own documentation - and one's own doc can be built
>to suit one's environment, needless to say.
>
>>Maybe IBM could ship the source gml files for all books, release the
>>book formats, or generate tex DVI files.

What I would like to get is GML source.  This would allow one to add
and/or change material to meet local needs, and print the manuals
using whatever process is available for GML documents (DCF and
Waterloo SCRIPT being the obvious choices, but there are others).

DVI files or PostScript files are the equivalent of OCO; they can't
be modified in any reasonable way.

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:27:48 EST
From:         "William J. Forde" <FORDE@POLYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      VM ESA/370

Since everyone seems to recommend running VM ESA/ 370 feature on
my 4381-R14 instead of VM/SP rel 6 I need to know if Share File
System is availble in ESA/370.  Also what type of performance
can i expect from ESA/370.

    _________________________________________________________________
    William J. Forde                Polytechnic University, NY
    VM Systems Manager              333 Jay St., Brooklyn,NY 11201
    Data Processing                 BITNET   : FORDE@POLYVM
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:15:10 EDT
From:         Larry Holder <##09@UTMARTN.BITNET>
Subject:      Cobol II question

Since converting over to Cobol II, I have noticed that programs using
tape input get the following console message at end of file:

IGZ080I End of file or end of volume on SYS...?  Reply EOF or EOV.

Is there a way to avoid this?  Perhaps something we're doing wrong?
We're VSE/ESA.  Any expertise appreciated.

Larry Holder
Senior Programmer/Analyst
The University of Tennessee at Martin Computer Center, Martin, TN 38237
Bitnet: ##09@UTMARTN  Phone: (901) 587-7890  Fax: (901) 587-7841

Software: VSE/ESA 1.1.1, CICS/VSE 2.1.0, VM/ESA 1.0, COBOL-II 1.3.2
Hardware: IBM 9221-150; 9336 FBA dasd; 9348 tape; 7171 protocol cvrt
New PSW:  (Personal Status Words): Saved by grace (Romans 1:16 & 8:38)
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:16:00 EDT
From:         "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <URJLEW@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: CD-ROM

All this discussion of Manuals on line has so far not touched
on the operatins/policy aspects of offering this as a service.
1. There are many CD ROMS.
2. There is a much smaller number of CD ROM readers
So there arises a need for a CD ROM operations center, with
an operator to mount/dismount CD ROMS for users on whatever
network is used to access the CD readers. There arises a need
for a way to request a CD ROM mount and a way of telling a
requestor that all readers are busy, etc. etc. etc.

Is the CD ROM center to be placed in the central library, or
as a part of the central computing facilities? Is there a
conflict? (who orders new ROMS? who coordinates manuals with
software?)
--Rostyk
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:35:22 EDT
From:         Chris Allison <CHRIS@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM
              25 Aug 1992 12:48:23 EDT from <JAY@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:48:23 EDT James Justice said:
>
>I wonder if you can access these CDs via NFS support in IBM's OS/2 CP/IP?  If
>you could, I could get one CD reader and give access to CD doc to my whole
>IBM system programmer team.
>Does anyone know the answer?

   I don't know about NFS but we have been doing this with NOVELL for some time
now.  The entire starter kit is available not only to the programming staff
but also to anyone on the campus LAN able to log into the Computing Center
Novell server.  Our intent is to make this available through the library for
all of campus.

                  -----  Chris Allison
  Miami University
  137 Hoyt Hall             Bitnet  : Chris@miamiu.bitnet
  Oxford OH. 45056          Usenet  : Chris@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
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Subject:      PROC TAPELABEL and 3490E drives
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Hi,
I sent originally this out to SAS-L, but perhaps this is a
more appropriate group.  I would appreciate any information
that the List would provide.
--Joe Kelley
------------------------------- Original Message -------------------------------


----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hello Net,
We have begun to make our 3490E drives available to the general
user community (square tapes) and are being asked about the amt
of footage files use ... I know these drives employ some sort of
compression, but is this nailed down?  We have been told that the
expanded square tapes are 1100 ft and when running TAPELABEL it
will report (for example) that we have used over 1600 feet ...
what gives?  Any nice method of computing this?  (the IBM manual
on this is less than helpful)
Thanks in advance...
--Joe Kelley
SAS 6.07 MVS
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 21:08:40 CDT
From: Dave Mueller <BJ020000@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
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Subject: Anyone ever hook an EPSON LQ-1500 to a System/36?


The subject line says it all??  Has anyone ever hooked an Epson LQ-1500
to a System/36 thru a 3197 terminal??

I'm trying to do that and it won't work at all.  Even have our IBM
support stumped.

Any/all help will be greatly appreciated.


Dave
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:32:06 PDT
From:         Richard Hintz <OPSRJH@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM
              25 Aug 1992 12:48:23 EDT from <JAY@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>

Those sites which are interested in using BookManager on the mainframe
to read the books which are being delivered in CD-ROM form should be
aware of IBM announcement 392-078, 31 March 92, Online Book File Transfer
Enabling Kit promotion which basically offers a reduced price way to channel
attach a PS/2 with a CD-ROM drive.  Take a look also at announcement
291-647, 5 November 91, which describes the S/370 and S/390 Optical
Media Attach/2 program whcih is included in the kit.

The enabling kit promotion is available only until 30 September 92.  Beats me
if this is any good.  Last, take a look at announcement 292-450,
25 August 92.  IBM is changing the rules for billing publications in paper
form.

  Richard Hintz  opsrjh@uccvma.ucop.edu  opsrjh@uccvma
  University of California
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From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:35:05 GMT

In article <92238.124823JAY@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> James Justice <JAY@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:
>I wonder if you can access these CDs via NFS support in IBM's OS/2 CP/IP?  If
>you could, I could get one CD reader and give access to CD doc to my whole
>IBM system programmer team.
>Does anyone know the answer?

Yes, you can do this.  I've done it myself, NFS mounting the CDROM on a Sun
CDROM drive as a disk on my PS/2 running OS/2 TCP/IP.  Works fine, albeit
slower than a local mount, as you would expect.

-- 
Richard
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:12:03 -0500
From:         STU_MAFERERO@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Subject:      VTAM app using APPCCMD
Comments: To: ibm-main@ricevm1.rice.edu

Netters,

Has anyone out their written a VTAM application using the APPCCMD macro?
I am trying to write one and am having some problems. Specifically, I am
trying to establish a session between VTAM and a PC running an Lu6.2 appc
programming package as a single session conversation. I can get to the point
in the VTAM program to ALLOCATE the transaction program on the PC, but I get
a return code saying that there is not enough sessions to do the ALLOCATE.

Yes, I set the CNOS request to set a single session and that returns fine.
Any help or ideas would be welcome.

Thanks,

Michael A. Ferero
STU_MAFERERO@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:52:59 EDT
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From:         David Ehresman <DEEHRE01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      PLPA and COMMON on the same volume

I have heard it recommended that if one has a shortage of volumes,
one can place the PLPA and COMMON page data sets on the same volume.
If one does this, the recommendation was to make the PLPA "small" and
let it spill to the COMMON.

How small should the PLPA be in this situation?  One track?
One cylinder?  ???

Does anyone actually do this?

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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:45:28 EDT
From:         Zoltan Forray <SSTSZXF@VCUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VM ESA/370

In a VM class I took, the instructor said that if you go to VM/XA, it
currently (this was about 4 months ago) does not support SFS. However,
VM/ESA R6+ does.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:50:07 CDT
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From:         "Jonathon Simon" <JSIMON@TRINITY.BITNET>
Subject:      Restored IBM support for MVS/SP

Has anyone heard any rumors about IBM reversing their announcement to
drop support for MVS/SP on 12/31/92.  We were told by a consulting
firm, that IBM was considering doing just that.  Any comments?
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:16:14 EDT
From:         TOMA@AKRONVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: VM ESA/370

The shared file system is a part of CMS 6.0 and is in the CMS that comes
with VM.ESA 370 or ESA features.

My interpretation of vm/esa r 1.1 performance report gg66-3236-00

better performance ----->

esa 1.0 esa . . . sp 6. . . esa 1.0 370  . . . sp hpo 5 . . . . . . . . . .sp 5
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:26:32 EDT
From:         Mauricio Alvarenga <MAINT@BRCPRM.BITNET>
Subject:      Overriding CMS immediate commands

I have to override CMS  HX, HI and TS immediate commands in a machine
for external users. This machine runs an exec called at logon time
and the exec ends with a logoff. I put an immcmd in the profile and
everything is ok until one of the execs calls STAIRS, at that moment
if I type hx I'll get a protection exception. Than I tried with
nucxload, I made a 'do nothing assemble program' and put it
as nuc extension with system and imm options and the same happens.

Any ideas??

Thanks in advance


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 | VM Consultant           |    Rio de Janeiro - Brasil             |
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:24:00 PDT
From:         Gregory Plucinski 257508 <GRZES@PLWATU22.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: compress linklib

 Michael,
 Place IEBCOPY utility in another autorized library (not SYS1.LINKLIB )
 next use this copy of sys1.linklib.
 but nobody can work at this moment.

 Another way :
 allocate library for example SYS2.LINKLIB
 copy SYS1.LINKLIB to SYS2.LINKLIB
 rename SYS1.LINKLIB to for example SYS3.LINKLIB (don't scratch at this moment)
 rename SYS2.LINKLIB to SYS1.LINKLIB
 after next IPL you will be use new SYS1.LINKLIB (compressed)
 now you can scratch SYS3.LINKLIB

 Gregory

------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> We are using MVS/XA 220 and I would like to compress my
> SYSRES SYS1.LINKLIB.
> Can't I use  IEBCOPY and REFRESH LLA ? If not,how I can compress my
> Sys1.Linklib (and other linklist libraries) without disturbing my
> production.
> Thanks for Help.
>
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