From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: 'NamVet Newsletter, Vol.5, no.7 (6/6)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:51:40 GMT


     paragraph #1 (of Peck's resignation). "I hereby request to 
     resign"?  Accepted practice is to say "I hereby resign..."  In the 
     last line of his memorandum he says "... I further request that 
     the Defense Intelligence Agency, which I have attempted to serve 
     loyally and with honor, assist me in being retired immediately 
     from active military service".  
       Am I supposed to believe this Full Colonel who has served long 
     enough to qualify for retirement (and as a chief honcho of a 
     national agency) does not know how to have his G-1 or Personnel 
     Officer prepare a request for retirement?  You guys out there that 
     did retire, did you need special assistance to get those forms 
     into the mill?  I sure as hell didn't.  All it took was a simple 
     signature on a request for Personnel Action Form (1049?).  My 
     personnel clerk did the rest, including setting up the retirement 
     physical.  This Colonel is either not carrying a full deck or he 
     is not what he espouses.  Ya gotta remember that even those 
     military types that are assigned to other agencies DO have a 
     personnel staff to handle things like retirement.
     
     Similarly strained usage throughout the letter are also oddly 
     written for one with his staff background.
     
     In para 2b. he (Colonel Peck) states he has experience as the 
     Deputy Director for Intelligence of the Defense Intelligence 
     Agency, and as Chief of the Asia Division for Current 
     Intelligence, yet he voices surprise that there is within the 
     Intelligence community a system to waylay or otherwise withhold 
     information from not only other government agencies but from the 
     American people as well ("need to know", comes to mind as a cute 
     catch phrase).  
       That doesn't make sense at all.  If he has in fact held those 
     
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     positions he is well aware of the conscious efforts to keep any 
     information that may bring discredit to himself, his immediate 
     superiors, or the present administration from becoming public 
     knowledge.  Those of you with any assignments involving "secret" 
     work are well aware of this.  Why is this man playing "dumb"?
     
     Okay, just for the sake of argument, let's assume he is correct in 
     that there is a cover-up taking place.  Who is at the top of this 
     effort?  George Bush?  He (George Bush) WAS at the head of the CIA 
     a while back.  He has consistently dodged any questions about his 
     part in the Iran-Contra affair - yet is suspected of having more 
     than just a passing knowledge of the entire operation.  Could he 
     be involved?  How about his ex-boss, Reagan?  
       Other possible involvements - the major players in the Congress, 
     both Republican and Democrat?  How about the "Golden Triangle"?  
     Does it play a part in all this?  Wanna go for a real wild shot?  
     Go back to the power plays that set up the JFK assassination and 
     those political appointments that little escapade brought about.  
     People like Johnson, Connolly, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and the 
     hangers-on who travelled with them.  Bring in the players from the 
     Ollie North days.  Remember the electronic fence?  Know who 
     provided it?  His background?  
     
     This may be a pretty big story.  Is America ready to concede it 
     has "dirty" politics?
     
     How about the CIA itself?  Have they gone beyond the law that 
     created the agency?  Are they, in fact, operating within the 
     limits of the Continental United States (in FBI territory?) where 
     they were specifically prohibited from working?  Were (are?) there 
     within the CIA a group of individuals who consider themselves 
     above the law?  Are drugs, sex, and power involved?
       A few of you had involvement with agency actions (classified, of 
     course).  Wanna tell us the goodies now?  Or are you still playing 
     the "national defense" game that it is all classified?  What all 
     did you see and do that you swore you would never reveal, ever?  
     Don't ya wonder sometimes just who you are protecting?  
     
     Is it remotely possible that WE are among those responsible for a 
     part in the POW/MIA problem because we have not come forward to 
     tell it like it is?
       If the answer is "YES", then guys and girls we are in deep do-
     do!.
     
     Watcha think we ought to do????
     
         NAME WITHHELD BY REQUEST ... FOR PERHAPS OBVIOUS REASONS
     











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           Vietnam Vet suggests Rap Group for Telephone Company
                          From: Presidents Column
                      April 1991 edition of SNET VETS
                   (Southern New England Telephone VETS)
                Input by and Edited for NamVet Inclusion by
                 G. Joseph Peck - NamVet's Managing Editor
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
     
     Dear Vietnam Vets:
       I  wanted to write something to our Vietnam Vets and didn't know 
     how to start until I saw the following article in the newspaper:
     
     - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
                          VIETNAM VETS COME HOME
     Dear Vietnam vets:
       This  letter has been a long time coming.   I hope,  in  finally 
     writing it, I'll be able to look you in the face again.
       I  am so very sorry.   I apologize for myself and everyone  else 
     who  bears  the guilt and shame of our nation's treatment  of  you 
     when you came home from Vietnam.   YOu didn't want to be there any 
     more than we wanted you there.  But you did your duty,  and we did 
     not.
       It's  too  bad most of us have to learn the hard way.   But  the 
     important  thing  is  that  we do learn.   Our  soldiers  who  are 
     returning  from the Gulf benefited from our mistakes of the  past.  
     The  patriotism that is evident across the nation has been missing 
     for decades.
       We  bear the burden of your tears,  your psychological and  drug 
     problems,  forever.   But  maybe we can soften some of the pain we 
     feel  by the support we gave our men and women while they were  in 
     the Gulf, by welcoming them home with open arms and hearts so full 
     of love and pride that,  every time we see your faces and hear the 
     national  anthem,  even  just seeing our flag flying will give  us 
     lumps in our throats and bring tears to our eyes.
       I  wish  we  could turn the clock back to the  1960s  and  early 
     1970s.   There were many of us who cared deeply about you.  But we 
     were overshadowed and intimidated by those who protested so loudly 
     against the war.
       Shame, for keeping quiet!
     - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
       I  know  I had some feelings that I had to deal with  since  our 
     troops  became involved in Saudi Arabia.   Even my wife could tell 
     it was bringing back memories and that I was not myself.
       As we all watched TV,  seeing the troops saying goodbye to their 
     families and REMEMBERING, watching the war unfold and REMEMBERING, 
     and watching the war end and REMEMBERING.
       It  does my heart good to see what the American public is  doing 
     for our troops today.  The flag waving, the supportive groups, all 
     the  recorded  messages  from radio stations being sent  to  Saudi 
     Arabia.  That was all lost in our time.  The country has learned a 
     lesson from Vietnam, and let's hope they never forget.  
       The  reason  for this letter is to see if anybody would like  to 
     get  involved  in a Rap Group.   I know a lot of people are  still 
     dealing  with Vietnam,  or have other problems they are trying  to 
     solve
       Maybe  you thought everything was fine until the war broke  out.  
     We  have  talked  to the VA about this.   They think the  idea  is 
     great.  If we have enough people and the problems warrant it,  the 
     
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     VA would help.
       You  did not have to be in combat to have problems.   The stress 
     alone  is  enough for people to have problems.   Think  about  it!  
     Just  the  way we were trained has a lot to do with  our  behavior 
     today.  We were trained to handle things a certain way.
       Do you have feelings such as:
        Is everything black and white to you?
        Do you want to be left alone?
        Don't bother me?
        My wife/husband doesn't understand me?
        I can live on a mountain top with no one around?
        I hate holidays?
        Are you irritable, short on temper, no one understands me, etc?
       You are not alone, we can help each other.
     
       I  have  already  talked to a few people who would like  to  get 
     involved.   I  know from personal experience that this group  type 
     works.   This  group will be kept confidential.   Who you see here 
     and what you hear here,  STAYS HERE.   This would be our group and 
     would have nothing to do with SNET (Southern New England Telephone 
     VETS).
       If  you have an interest in getting involved,  please send  your 
     name  and phone number to Don Mitchell,  President SNET VETS  Room 
     2B2, 84 Deerfield Lane, Meriden, CT  06450 - or call the office at 
     203-420-2818 and leave a message.   Or call me at home on 203-592-
     9766.
     
     [Note  from  Joe:  (Thanx  for the SNET  VETS  cap,  Don!)   Don's 
     editorial   is   placed  here  to  show  that  outreach   to   our 
     brother/sister  Vietnam veterans *-MUST-*  STILL continue and what 
     one company is doing about it.  Kudos to Don Mitchell!)
     



























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                        KOREA... WHAT?  WHO?  WHEN?
                          From 5/91 SNET VETS NEWS
                   (Southern New England Telephone VETS)
                Input by and Edited for NamVet Inclusion by
                 G. Joseph Peck - NamVet's Managing Editor
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
     
     -- The following is reprinted with permission from the author.  It 
     first  appeared  in  a column called "MY TURN"  which as  part  of 
     "Management Topics" Vol 7, No 7, May 10, 1985 (A TELCO publication 
     believed to be TELEPHONE TIMES)
     
       Some  thoughts  on David Ohlson's moving story about  Viet  Vets 
     (Telephone Times, April 24).
       I have mixed emotions.
       One  emotion is deep sympathy for these guys who entered  combat 
     so  young,  remained so isolated and returned to be forgotten.   I 
     know what it was like.
       That leads to my other emotion.   That's a much more complicated 
     one.  You see, the veterans of my war are still forgotten.   So is 
     the war.
       When  Bob  Janicki,  in the Times story,  compared Vietnam  with 
     another war,  he used World War II,  as if no combat involving the 
     U.S. occurred between 1945 and 1961.  Bob's not alone.  That's the 
     comparison that's usually made.
       I  know,  though,  that  something did happen at a place  called 
     Korea.
       It  didn't last as long as the war in Vietnam.   The Korean  War 
     lasted  from June 25,  1950 to July 27,  1953.   Three years,  one 
     month  and  two days.   When figuring casualties,  the  government 
     considers  the  Vietnam  war as lasting from January  1,  1961  to 
     September 30,  1977 (to include the Mayaguez casualties).   Almost 
     16 years.
       There  weren't nearly as many troops in  Korea,  either.   About 
     2,600,000  U.S.  servicemen passed through 'Nam.   Korea never saw 
     half a million.
       The two wars had some similarities, though.
       For  one thing,  they produced about the same number of American 
     bodies.  Vietnam killed 57,091.  Korea killed 54,246.
       Think about that a moment.   More than one of every ten soldiers 
     who  went to Korea came home in a box.   For the number of  troops 
     involved,  the  Korean  conflict  was  the bloodiest  war  in  our 
     history.
       That  surprises a lot of people.   Those old enough to  remember 
     know  that cease fire talks began July 1951 after barely a year of 
     war.  Most of the troops killed were killed after the talks began.
       And  while they were being killed,  most of the people back home 
     thought the fighting was over.
       A  member  of the TV M*A*S*H cast once said the show  had  great 
     flexibility  in  blotting  because Korea was a war  "nobody  knows 
     anything about."
       Some of us know.
       'Nam  vets  say  that  there you never knew when  you  might  be 
     attacked.   That undoubtedly,  is a stressful situation,  and it's 
     one we didn't have.  In Korea, we knew when we'd be attacked.  All 
     the time.   Except when we were attacking.   The war never paused.  
     That's pretty stressful, too.
       What did cease fire talks mean to us?  Flopping into trenches to 
     
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     avoid machine gun bursts; Crouching in bunkers an listening to the 
     pitter-patter  of  mortar shells on the  roof.   Endless  "contact 
     patrols"  up  Noname Ridge to see if Joe (our Victor Charlie)  was 
     still there (Where else WOULD he be?); Wiping out a battalion size 
     Chinese push on King Outpost in the Iron Triangle.   Little stuff.  
     It  didn't  get  much press.   But you can get just as dead  in  a 
     little action as a big one.  A lot of us did.
       Vietnam and Korea had other similarities besides the casualties.  
     Youth was one.  World War II had just ended.   It had taken all of 
     the older guys.  Isolation was another - at least to the extent it 
     was  a factor in Vietnam.   Individual replacement was the rule in 
     Korea, too.
       Being  forgotten didn't start with Vietnam,  either.   The  last 
     stateside civilian I talked with was a cab driver who said most of 
     his  customers  hoped the war would never end,  because  they  had 
     jobs.  When we came back, individually, we had all the impact of a 
     snowflake crashing on a pillow.
       There  were no brass bands or parades for Korea,  any more  than 
     for Vietnam.
       And there were no monuments, either.
       There still aren't.
       Of  course,  the Korean War was long ago and in another country.  
     We  K-vets  are old coots now,  and even we have forgotten all  of 
     this stuff.
       So why am I trembling as I write this?
                Bill Weir
     
     (Replies  may  be sent to Don Mitchell,  President SNET VETS  Room 
     2B2, 84 Deerfield Lane, Meriden, CT  06450 - or call the office at 
     203-420-2818 and leave a message.)
     




























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     ==================================================================
                      Concentrated IVVEC/NamVet Service
     ==================================================================

                         TELL IT TO THE SECRETARY
                 (Believed to be from) 10/90 Federal Times
                         Input by: G. Joseph Peck
                         NamVet's Managing Editor
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
     
       Ever  have  one  of those dreams in which you  finally  get  the 
     courage  to  tell  the top boss your great idea ...  or  what  you 
     really think of the new management plan?
       One of the good things about dreams is they relieve stress while 
     you sleep. 
      You can eliminate all the middle players who would take your idea 
     and hash, mash or trash it before it even leaves the office.
       The  "Tell  it to the Secretary"  program,  begun  by  Secretary 
     Derwinski  last  year,  is  like a good dream.   It  provides  the 
     opportunity  for a direct,  open line of communication between the 
     Secretary and employees, patients, supervisors, managers -- anyone 
     with an interest or idea to voice.
       "I  decided  I would not be cut off from the rank and  file.   I 
     would not let my front office isolate me.  I noticed that when you 
     take a complaint and send it through the system, people tend to be 
     instinctively defensive," Derwinski said.   "I started this 'write 
     to  the secretary'  because I found the response of the system was 
     to draw their wagons in a circle."
       According to Camille T.  Barry,  staff assistant who administers 
     the  program,  the Secretary's purpose is to improve the system by 
     listening to people.
       "He  really  tries  to keep his finger on the  pulse  of  what's 
     happening  in  VA,"  said Barry.  "The letters we receive run  the 
     gamut from personnel concerns, veterans'  families,  the placement 
     of patients, jobs well done,  facility problems and suggestions to 
     make things work better."
       In  fact,  the  program  has  highlighted  a  number  of  issues 
     important  to VA employees.   For example,  registered nurses  are 
     writing  about  the  need  to make the chief  of  nursing  service 
     position  equal  to  the  chief of staff  and  associate  director 
     positions  at  each medical center.   Other employees are  voicing 
     concern  over what they feel is fraud,  waste and mismanagement in 
     the system.  This issue has launched some investigations.
       "Secretary  Derwinski  reads  every  single  letter.    He  sees 
     everything,"  said Barry.   "Every letter is acknowledged,  and he 
     has  no reservations about picking up the phone and addressing the 
     problem  with a director,  the medical inspector or the  inspector 
     general.
       "The  "open  door"  policy has led to many interesting  letters.  
     One  of  them resulted in a new flag flying high  atop  VACO.   An 
     employee  had suggested that the old one had ragged edges,  caused 
     by gusty winds that whip across the Potomac River.
       "Employees  send  their  letters to a post office box  that  has 
     limited access and a designated 'mystery'  person who picks up the 
     mail,"   Barry   said.    "This  element  ensures  the   strictest 
     confidentiality we can provide our writers."
       You can write to the Secretary by sending your letters to:
                        Tell it to the Secretary
     
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                        Post Office Box 27840
                        Washington, D.C.  20038-7840
     
     >>>  NOTE FROM JOE:   Shortly after I came across this information 
     (thanks  to the Massachusetts Office of Commissioner of  Veterans' 
     Affairs/Massachusetts  Veterans'   Service),   I  sent  a  letter, 
     Certified  Return Receipt Requested (and received) with a copy  of 
     my  most recent claim to Secretary Derwinski.   Five weeks went by 
     and  I'd heard NOTHING.   I telephoned and,  about 10 days  later, 
     received a letter from Secretary Derwinski's office which said, in 
     effect: "We have referred your claim to those parties who would be 
     in  a position to know more about your case/claim.   Thank you for 
     writing Secretary Derwinski's office."
       Ain't nothin's changed - In fact,  I got BETTER,  MORE EFFECTIVE 
     responses  from  Presidential  Aide's than  Secretary  Derwinski's 
     office  -  and I didn't have to call them FIRST to get  it!   Walk 
     carefully and cautiously when you're writing to the above,  folks.  
     In my humble opinion, it's just a new name to an old practice.
       Searchin' for BETTER veteran service...  >> Joe
     







































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                          Local Heroes Need Apply
                  From the US VETERANS BBS (612)-522-2026
                         Submitted by: Marge Clark
                     The Homestead BBS - Nashville, TN
                              (615) 385-9421
     
     Veterans who never received awards or decorations they earned,  or 
     who  lost them,  and merely want replacements now have a chance to 
     get   them.   In  some cases,  the military will even throw  in  a 
     ceremony to have them presented.                                                          
     
     The following should be of assistance:             
     Q-- How  do  I  get  an award or decoration  that  I  should  have 
         received, but never did? 
     A-- First   of   all,   remember   that  you  are   dealing   with                  
         straightforward  military regulations that will require you to 
         give  all the information you can to support your case.   Pull 
         together all your documents and try to include, if possible, a 
         DD Form 214  with  all the data on it.   A DD-214 is the  best 
         document  you  can  use.   If you do not have a copy  of  your 
         DD-214 you can request one by filling out a Standard Form 180, 
         "Request  Pertaining  to  Military  Records",   which  can  be           
         obtained  from  any Veterans Administration  regional  office.  
         Other data, such as a set of orders, all your service numbers, 
         and  your social security number,  can also support your case.  
           Once  all the information is pulled together,  write a clear 
         letter  as  brief  as possible but with all the data  to  your 
         former service:
     
                                   ARMY                                                    
                                 Commander
                    U.S. Army Reserve Personnel Center                                    
                          Attention: DARC-PSE-AW
                 9700 Page Blvd.  St. Louis, MO 63132-5200                 
     
                                   NAVY                                                      
                            Navy Liaison Office                                        
                     National Personnel Records Center                                            
                 9700 Page Blvd.  St. Louis, MO 63132-5200 
     
                                 AIR FORCE                                                  
                     National Personnel Records Center
                             Attention: 6KTF-M                                                    
                 9700 Page Blvd.  St. Louis, MO 63132-5200                          
     
                                  MARINES
                                Commandant
                             U.S. Marine Corps
                               CODE: MNDM-2
                        Washington, D.C. 20380-0001
     
                                COAST GUARD
                         Commandant (G-PS-5/(TP41)
                             U.S. Coast Guard                                                           
                           Washington, DC 20593                                                                                                      
     
     Q: How long will it take to get a response?                              
     A: The records centers are very busy, so you must allow a fair 
        amount of time.  If you have not heard from them in about 90 
     
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        days or so, drop them another line.  Plan on the whole action 
        taking at most about six months.                                                               
     
     Q: How do I get a better looking copy of my award?
     A. Write and tell the records center what you want, but do not 
        send in your old award until they tell you they want it.
     
     Q: How do I receive an award that I thought I should have gotten, 
        but was never put on my records?
     A: The awards people call this a "lost recommendation." Do 
        yourself a favor when you ask for a decoration and have no 
        records of being awarded - give them all the information you 
        can.  If you leave anything out, plan on having to send more 
        information.  Except for people who served in the Air Force, 
        write to those addresses previously given.  If you were in the 
        Air Force write to:             
                                 Commander
               U.S. Air Force Manpower and Personnel Center 
                            Attention: MPCASA 1      
                Randolph Air Force Base, Texas  78150-6001                                 
     
     Q: How do I arrange for a ceremony to receive my award?                      
     A: You can request a ceremony if you are to receive an award for 
        the first time.  Contact the public affairs office at your 
        nearest military installation.  Try to contact a big post, 
        base, reserve or National Guard unit with a general or flag 
        officer in command.  Some awards take a lot of brass to be 
        pinned on.  It often makes good press for a "local soldier to 
        receive his medal after 20 years."
     
     Q: How can I receive past awards if I am still in the military?          
     A: If you are still in service, see your commander for details.
     


























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                        NAM-NET is up and running!
                     Submitted by Lydia Fish, Director
            Vietnam Veterans Oral History and Folklore Project
            Department of Anthropology - Buffalo State College
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
     
     NAM-NET  is  up  and  running!    NAM-NET  is  the  newly  created 
     networking  component  of  the Vietnam Veterans Oral  History  and 
     Folklore  Project  and  was designed to  facilitate  communication 
     between  scholars,  teachers,  veterans,  and  anyone else who  is 
     interested in the Vietnam War.
     
     INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON NAM-NET WILL INCLUDE:
      ^ Announcements of meetings, conferences and veterans' activities
      ^ Works in progress
      ^ Papers
      ^ Book reviews and announcements of publications
      ^ Newsletters of special interest groups
      ^ Resources for teachers and scholars
      ^ Bibliographies, diskographies and filmographies
      ^ Notes and queries
      ^ News items of interest to veterans and scholars.
      OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO INCLUDE.  IT'S UP TO YOU!
     
     NAM-NET is a permanent conference on the BITNET LISTSERV facility. 
     (Most  colleges and universities and many high schools have access 
     to  BITNET,  which is an international education network.)   It is 
     also accessible from INTERNET.  To sign up,  contact your computer 
     support  personnel  and  tell them that you want to  subscribe  to 
     VWAR-L on LISTSERV@UBVM.  There is absolutely no charge involved.
     
     Any message sent to NAM-NET will be distributed immediately to all 
     the subscribers on the list.   Afterwards it will be placed in the 
     list  archives so that it may be accessed by new subscribers at  a 
     later date.
     
     If you have any questions, please contact me!
     
                           LYDIA FISH, Director
            Vietnam Veterans Oral History and Folklore Project
                        Department of Anthropology
                           Buffalo State College
                            1300 Elmwood Avenue
                            Buffalo, NY  14222
     
         HOME: (716) 883-1843               OFFICE: (716) 878-6110
         FAX: (716 878-4009                 BITNET:FISHLM@SNYBUFVA
     










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            IN COUNTRY - Songs of Americans in the Vietnam War
                     Submitted by Lydia Fish, Director
            Vietnam Veterans Oral History and Folklore Project
            Department of Anthropology - Buffalo State College
                      To VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA  
                              (413) 443-6313
     
     [Note  from Joe:   I've reviewed this tape;  played it for quite a 
     few veterans;  thought long n'  hard as I listened to each song on 
     it.  I "pictured" and "remembered"  what so many of us experienced 
     seems like SO many years ago.
       For  a softer recon of the harsh reality of 'Nam,  the tape  (or 
     CD) is well worth having in YOUR library!]
     
     A  digital  recording of 28 songs written and sung in  country  by 
     American  servicemen  about their experiences and emotions  there.  
     Some  of the songs are original compositions,  performed by  their 
     composers; others are variants of songs sung in World War I, World 
     War  II and the Korean War,  performed by men who learned and sang 
     them in Vietnam.  The singers and song writers include fighter and 
     bomber  pilots,  grunts,  members  of the elite forces,  and  rear 
     echelon personnel.  The recording is available in record stores or 
     it  may  be  ordered from the Vietnam Veterans  Oral  History  and 
     Folklore  Project at the address below.   The price is $9.98 for a 
     cassette or $15.98 for a CD.   A tacher's manual is also available 
     for $3.00 from the Project.
     
     SAUL BROUDY:  Green T-Shirt Blues, Saigon Warrior, Chu Yen, Here I 
        Sit
     
     CHIP DOCKERY:  The  Panther  Pack is Prowling,  Ling Po Drove  the 
        Truck  Away,  Sitting  in  the  Cab  of  My  Truck,  I've  Been 
        Everywhere.
     
     BULL DURHAM:  Jolly Green, Danang Lullaby, Crack Went the Rifle
     
     BILL ELLIS:  Grunt, First Cav, Firefight, Freedom Bird
     
     TOBY HUGHES:  Ho Chi Minh Trail, Tchepone, Cobra Seven
     
     DICK JONAS:  Pull  the  Boom  from the Gashole,  Will There  Be  a 
        Tomorrow?, Fighter Pilot's Christmas,  Battle Hymn of the River 
        Rats
     
     CHUCK ROSENBERG:  Six Clicks, Ba Muoi Ba, Green Beret and Friendly 
        FAC, Boonie Rat Song
     
            Vietnam Veterans Oral History and Folklore Project
                           LYDIA FISH, Director
                        Department of Anthropology
                           Buffalo State College
                            1300 Elmwood Avenue
                            Buffalo, NY  14222
     
         HOME: (716) 883-1843               OFFICE: (716) 878-6110
         FAX: (716 878-4009                 BITNET:FISHLM@SNYBUFVA
     


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     Volume  5, Number  7                                 July 27, 1991

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
         Some Gave ALL ...                      Some Still Give!!!
     
     
     
               O                                      O
                O                    SOME GAVE ALL  ...
         ________O__________________________________O______________
        !         O                                O               !
        ! pow mia pow mia - BRING THEM HOME NOW! - pow mia pow mia !
        !           O                            O                 !
        ! ~~~~~ ~ ~  O~   ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~ O ~~ ~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ !
        ! ~~~~ ~ ~~   O ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~  ~~~  ~~ ~O~~~ ~~~  ~ ~~~~ ~~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~  ~~ ~ O~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ O ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~ !
        ! ~~~  ~~ ~~ ~  O ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ O ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~ ~ !
        ! ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ O ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ O ~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~ !
        !  ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~  O ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  O ~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ !
        ! ~  ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  O ~_~_~_~_~_ ~ O ~  ~~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~~  !
        ! ~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~  O          ) O ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ /(O)       / O \ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  /          / O   \~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ !
        !  ~~ ~ ~  ~~ ~~ / PRISONER /       \~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~~ !
        ! ~  ~~ ~~ ~~ ~ /          / MISSING \~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~ !
        ! ~~~  ~ ~~ ~~ /   OF     /\          \~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~ !
        ! ~ ~~~~ ~~ ~ /          /  \   IN     \~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~  !
        ! ~~~  ~~~ ~ /    WAR   / ~~ \          \  ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~ ~ /          / ~ ~~ \  ACTION /  ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ !
        ! ~~ ~~ ~~~(__________/ ~~ ~~~ \       /   ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ !
        ! ~~~~~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~ \     /  ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ !
        ! ~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ \   / ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~  !
        ! ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ \ /~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ~  !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~
        !  ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~ SOME STILL GIVE
        ! ~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~
        ! ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ !
        ! mia pow mia pow - BRING THEM HOME NOW! - mia pow mia pow !
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