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From:         SHONTZ@UTHSCSA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Circ/Access Services Discussion Group Mtg in Denver

Considering the difficult climate for new print serials these days, I'd suggest
an e-journal along the lines of The Newsletter for Serials Pricing or Psycholo-
quy.  Articles could be formally edited or even peer-reviewed, and distributed
via Circplus or subscribed to separately.  Contributors could write up more
formal summaries of responses to queries they put out on Circplus, write "how
we did it" articles, or write on how to handle the management issues we deal
with in Access Services.

David Shontz
UTHSCSA
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From:         Michael Reagan MREAGAN <VFOAO007@VAX.CSUN.EDU>
Subject:      RE: The Fire Extinguisher, Plea

Amen, amen, amen!

I'm a regular reader of circplus, usually not posting, but replying to sender
on some of the survey items.  Circ folk seem to be reasonably flameproof, and
ever so playful.

For the record, I have an M.L.S., and double in reference, bibliographic
instruction, and library governance arenas, but as circ coordinator I consider
myself one of the warehousemen (politically incorrect, but I just turned fifty
and have given myself a curmudgeon license).

My experience is that librarians without M.L.S. are often more effective than
some with M.L.S.  My mother was such a librarian, having taken a statewide
exam for librarian in New Jersey in the thirties.  She had finished high
school at night while working to help support her family, and the exam posting
did not indicate an education requirement.  She scored eighth in the state,
and was the only one who passed who did not have a library degree.  She served
as a librarian in a branch of the Jersey City P.L., but migrated to California
in late 1940.  Her exam standing was, of course, not transferable, so she
packed crackers until shortly before I was born, then did the full time Mama
bit.  Spunky lady; I miss her.

I didn't mean to get into that, just to say I appreciate the playfulness of
Circplus as well as the solid information content.

Whoops, lost my .sig file -- Michael Reagan  CSU Northridge
                             MReagan@vax.csun.edu
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From:         PHIL PONELLA <PONELLA@HARTFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      sorehead?!

While I do not want to turn this into a political discussion, I must respond
to Steve Blackwood's post of 21January.  Before you call Rusty a "sorehead"
perhaps you should examine the tone of your posting.  It seems like you are
the sorehead.  Now, I know it is currently so in vogue to bash anything remotely
Republican, and equally in fashion to be a bleeding hearted liberal, however,
at least get your facts straight.  History has recorded that it was J.F.K
who was cheifly responsible for the Vietnam problem, not Ike, Johnson worsened
the entire situation, and (you are going to love this) Nixon who got us out
of there!

Please,  let's stick to Library circulation issues.

Phil Ponella
University of Hartford
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From:         "Loretta Klarenbach I.T.S.," <LKLARENB@UALTAVM.BITNET>
Subject:      DRA install query

From: Loretta Klarenbach               I.T.S.,
                                       Rm. 440, Cameron Library
                                       University of Alberta
We will be installing the DRA circulation module this fall and their
lack of an adequate recall function is a real concern to us.(We have
extended loans to grads and faculty and recall approx. 80 items per
day)

Our current procedure (an in-house system), when an item is recalled
automatically becomes due in 5 days.  We also suspend privileges when
this item is 1 day overdue.  We would like to continue this procedure
as it works well for us.(Aside from the fact that there would be a war
if we shortened these peoples loan period to 2 weeks.).

My question is this:
Is there someone else using DRA and how do you get borrowers to return
recalled items when the date due remains the same and no penalty invoked?
OR is there a way around this problem?

You may respond to me directly if you wish to
LKLARENB@UALTAVM.BITNET

Thanks in advance.

                                       Loretta(403)492-5282
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From:         "Jorge L. Cruz" <VB7R0036@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: circ errors
              23 Jan 1993 16:13:42 EST from <gross@MONCOL.MONMOUTH.EDU>

Before automated circ, there was manual circ.  In that system, we used to
stamp both due dates, and return dates.  Now that we are online, we've found
that this system is still the best for handling the type of errors mentioned.
99.99999999% of the time, even if the computer step is goofed, the manual
step isn't.  Of course, this doesn't stop all your problems with the public,
but it does make your position much more solid.

Jorge L. Cruz                          Voice:  (214) 768-2275
Head, Circulation Dept.                  Fax:  (214) 768-4236
Science/Engineering Library
Southern Methodist University         Bitnet:  VB7R0036@SMUVM1
Dallas, TX  75275-0375              Internet:  VB7R0036@VM.CIS.SMU.EDU
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From:         "W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS" <ERCOUPE@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: your computer is wrong

>and charge the item to missing.  However, this recent episode involves two
>persons from the same residence in a span of three days.  We have not had a
>problem with NOTIS charging incorrectly, until now????

I think the clue lies in the 'residence' thing.  Could one of these
folks gotten hold of another's books and inadvertantly called in the
wrong barcode as a phone renewal?  Of course, this presupposes
phone renewals are allowed.

Rusty
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From:         wilson@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG
Subject:      Reserve form

I would appreciate anyone who could fax me a sample form
of their "Reserve Information and Release Form"
for reserve material in which your faculty or Instructors completes
or signs before placing items on reserve.
Franceen Wilson
The George T. Harrell Library
Penn State/The Milton S. Hershey  Medical Center
Hershey PA 17033
Fax: 717-531-8635
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From:         Maggie Hogue <FCLMAH@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Circ/Access Services Discussion Group Mtg in Denver

Rich - I do have a copy of LAMAs draft guidelines for publications.  I
haven't heard from Ginny, but I know Dan Lester is also interested. I
sent him a message asking if he could come to the committee meeting;
that was before he posted the message about his extended period of
visual inactivity.  I think a refereed electronic journal is a good
idea, but I also would like to see something in print, that might be
accessible to those who can't get access to the "net".  I think we miss
a lot of people using only electronic communication.  I had added the
topic to the committee agenda, but it will be good to have discussion
in both the discussion group and the committee.
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From:         "Frada L. Mozenter" <FLI00FLM@UNCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Book Review on _The Whole Internet_

I have a copy and bought a copy for the stacks (it's checked out).
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From:         Tony New <NEW@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Newcomer

> Hello. I am new to this listserver

Howdeeee frum TEXAS.  <drawwwwwllllllll>

>  But is it a place where one "needs" an MLS?

Julie, Julie, Julie,  tsk tsk tsk <looking over the brim of my
glasses> <grin>  Your "innocent" question is likely to stir up a
firestorm of debate.

To answer your question: Both situations exist.  The head of
Circulation, depending on the library, may or may not have a MLS.

But as to whether or not one is "needed".  Well, I'M not gonna touch
that one.  <smile>

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From: ERCOUPE@PITTVMS.BITNET (W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS)
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Date: 21 Jan 93 16:51:00 GMT
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Here's a thought for a compromise solution.

If you have copiers that can handle $1.00 bills, then the real
problem seems to be change for gonzo bills.  So how's about getting
a key to the Vendacard dispenser, and using that for the source of
smaller bills.  The dispenser/encoder can be reconciled to make
sure nothing is disappearing, and you have a source of smaller bills,
at least enough to get you thru a weekend.

I would mention to Joanne that the problem may disappear the further
we get into the new administration, since fewer people will have those
big bills to spend!  :^)

Rustbelt Bill
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From:         BILL SLAUENWHITE <BSLAUEN@AC.DAL.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Fire Extinguisher, Plea

After all, if we can't snipe at other Circ-types (all in good fun),
who can we snipe at - patrons ?!

Bill
Halifax, N.S.
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From:         EILEEN_KOPREN@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU
Subject:      Re: circ errors

    My experience with circ errors is that if we are unable to find
the book or magazine on the shelf the first time the patron comes in
and complains, it is still in the patron's possession somewhere-
somehow.  I will place it in the "Claimed returned" status and then
ask the patron to please check again and that we will do the same.
It almost always is returned by the patron within a couple weeks--
and usually with a most interesting explanation as to where it was
found.  I do occasionally make exceptions (if I know the patron
personally), but those cases are very rare.

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Eileen D. Kopren                     eileen_kopren@dsu1.dsu.nodak.edu
Public Services Librarian            701-227-2135 (voice)
Stoxen Library
Dickinson State University           Dickinson, ND  58601
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHAT: Jessica, etc.

Hey, Dan...nice to know that your #4 wife is alive.  (And you, too.)
And, as my husband and I are now now working on getting ready for planting
our potatoes on, of course, St. Paddy's Day, it's nice to hear "eyes"
discussions.  Re: Rusty...gosh, Dan, you should know by now that he taught
Picasso everything he knew, as in screwy perspective!!!   And don't let
him tell you he's too young to have done that.  Ask him about the illegal
drugs.  But then, of course, HE, nor Rush, inhaled!!!) :-)

Humans forever!!!

Kendall
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From:         Joanne Leary <Joanne_Leary@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Recall warning stamp

                       Subject:                               Time:12:57 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Recall warning stamp                   Date:1/26/93
I would like to hear from anyone who uses due date slips which are pre-printed
with a message about the possibility of recall, OR who hand-stamps such a
message on due date slips at the circ desk when books are being charged out.
(I'm thinking a typical message may read: "Book due back on date stamped below
unless recalled", or "Due date unless recalled".)

Questions:
1.  In your opinion, does the recall warning have the desired effect (or has it
helped even a little bit)?  If so, what phraseology do you use?  If not, why do
you think it doesn't work?
2.  If you hand-stamp the message, at what point do you do this (upon charge
out at the circ desk?  when the new books are rec'd?  other?).

A large percentage of our patrons are non-native speakers of English and many
patrons (of whatever variety) misunderstand recalls.  Last year, over 11% of
our loans were recalled, so it is vital that patrons understand the Facts of
Recall Life.  Any suggestions?

Thanks -

Joanne Leary
Cornell Engineering Library
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From:         "W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS" <ERCOUPE@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHAT: Jessica, etc.

Well Danno....glad to see you are back...Hope all is well.

Some guys will do anything to get secretarial scribe service, it seems.

No, Rusty has never been and is not currently a member of the nefarious
Gecko Brigade.

My best wishes to Kendall in her spring planting.  Last year she planted
over 2 acres of eggs and didn't have one chicken.  Hopefully she will
be planting the potatoes BEFORE baking them this year.

Best wishes, Dan....

Rusty
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Subject: Rusty has no MLS!!
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Nice to see that although Rusty may be a sorehead, at least he's a sorehead
with a sense of humour. But no MLS degree??!! Give that guy a demotion!
But seriously, Circulation gets so little respect that having an MLS degree
gives the Circ Librarian what little cache he or she has. Not to detract  
from anyone's contributions but I am convinced that, if the Circ Head did
not have an MLS, Circ would be a "unit" rather than a full-fledged (half-
fledged?) department in our Library. 
Steve Blackwood
Marquette U
PS The first military "advisors" were sent by Ike at the behest of John
Foster Dulles, so there.
 
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Subject:      Re: A Good Friday to All

As another "insane" cirkie, let me say that I have always assumed that
being insane was a prerequisite to holding the job - and not just at
circ but any librarian job - that way when you finally do flip out
completely the insurance won't have to cover it because they can always
point to the fact that it was a pre-existing condition!

Judi Shaffer
Head: Circulation, Reserves, ILL
Stetson University
DeLand, Florida
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From:         SWELDON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Newcomer

Welcome!  I worked in Circulation for about 15 years before I got my MLS.
I was successful in Circulation without the MLS, but I would never have had
the opportunity to expand my job experiences to Interlibrary Loan, Reference
and Collection Development without the MLS.  I think the two make a great
combination!

Susan Weldon
Head of Information Delivery Services
Dunbar Library
Wright State University
Dayton, Ohio  45435
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From:         "Julie C. Doepken" <doepj@RUBY.ILS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Thank you and Oops!

I just wanted to thank all of you who took the time to write back
about the circulation/MLS question I posed.  I actually would love to
respond to all of you personally, but this semester is very demanding
and quite frankly I don't have much time to do much of anything.

And the Oops! is because a couple of my replies to personal messages
appear to be posted in the listserv.  I apologize for that.  I thought
that I was replying to personal e-mail messages, but apparently I
was not.  So I apologize for the extra "stuff."

Julie Doepken
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Subject:      flaming

Since Rusty is such a good sport, let's flame him on everything and
take out our frustrations on him.  Besides, in Catholic terms, we'll
be saving him time in Purgatory (so richly deserved) by making him
suffer immensely in this world.  It's the kind thing to do, really.

Ann Williams (another neo-conservative who sees herself a benign-
dictator)
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHAT: Jessica, etc.

Darn, Rusty - why couldn't you have sent out that message earlier?  Now
I'm going to have to go back outside and dig up all those eggs.  Not much
I can do about the potatoes though.  My microwave only defrosts, it doesn't
de-cook.  But I do expect a bumper crop this year - had over a dozen bumpers
to plant.  Got them all in, too.  I'm particularly excited about my '56 Chevy.

From the home of the absolutely unbelievably awful Kansas Jayhawks, next
week's FORMER number 1, this is Kendall of the Black Thumb Society.
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From:         "W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS" <ERCOUPE@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sorehead?!

Well, be it known that Rusty takes no offense whatsoever.  It is safe
to assume that there is a   ;^)  attached to any parts of a posting
that could be construed as controversial.  Although a 'Classic
Conservative' Rusty is well aware that there is room for other
opinions wherever and whenever, regardless of how misguided they
may be!  --> ;^) <--

Rusty even has socialist friends.  He has liberal friends.  Why I
have even shared a bar tab with a member of the Socialist Worker's
Party (although it was a fight to get a 50-50 split approved!).  He
muttered some stuff about "From each according to their abilities
to each according to their needs" but pay-as-you-go economic theory
won out in the end.

One of the reasons that CIRCPLUS is one of the most enjoyable lists
is that folks are a bit less 'librarianly' on this list than on
others.  Perhaps it is because CIRCPLUS has a high percentage of
non-librarians as members.  It is one of the only lists that
has a good mix of information and fun.  Circies know how to have fun...
it is a prerequisite for survival.  ANd we know how to take a joke.

If'n you want to get Rusty irritated, you have to work REAL hard.
It might take a remark like "You MUST have an MLS to work a circulation
desk".

Crusty Rusty.
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From:         "Susan Murata" <SMURATA@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Recall warning stamp

Our date due slips are imprinted

             DATE DUE  Last date stamped
                       unless recalled

It does help for some patrons, but we also give a verbal warning at checkout:
"Your books are due on xxxxx unless they are recalled" as well as pointing
out the ones that are on short term loan.

When they are registered into our system (activating their cards) we also
pass out a slip that states our fine policy, recall and renewal policy, etc.
If we get a blank look, we clarify that a recall will shorten their loan
period and fines start earlier - that gets their attention!

Susan Murata
University of Hawaii
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From:         Joanne Leary <Joanne_Leary@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      The Fire Extinguisher, Plea

                       Subject:                               Time:9:42 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          The Fire Extinguisher, Please          Date:1/22/93
Hello folks -
It's raining here, and I've got a headache and my interviewee has not shown up,
and I've no desire to add Circplus Wars to my list of woes!  Like we Liberal
Democrats would say, Peace Man.  I find Rusty's comments delightfully snide,
even when my particular views are made the butt of his jokes.  We can all poke
fun at each other (I hope).
- Joanne
Cornell
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