HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Looking for LOGO and its developer
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:42:14 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS


   I am trying to find LOGO for IBM/PC, any version, shareware or commercial.
   Any advice?
   Also, I would be happy if somebody could give me Seymour Papert's
   e-mail address, if it is not classified.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  Alexander Chislenko | sasha@cs.umb.edu | Cambridge, MA  |  (617) 864-3382 |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: protocom@DMI.USherb.CA (protocom-Laurent turcotte)
Subject: Robot Turtle...(Terapin Turtle)...need info...
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:15:21 GMT


	Does anybody no about any kind of turtle robot.

	This robot is supposed to hold a pen and plot it's movements as it is
controlled by a PC (Apple, Mac or etc...) running LOGO.

	So what you see on the screen (i.e. turtle graphics) is what you get, as
traced out by the robot turtle.

	The information link can be infrared, wireless or even dangling wires...

	I need to teach youngsters logo, geometry and robotics etc...

P.S. I heard about the Terapin turtle a LONG time ago now I'm interested in
locating ANY kind of turtle device....

Thanks everyone...
-- 
Larry Turcotte                           Internet:protocom@dmi.usherb.ca
computer science student/consultant
consulting company:Protocom              Is there anybody out there.....
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Looking for LOGO and its developer
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:19:33 GMT


In article <1992Jul26.044214.5236@cs.umb.edu>, sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko) writes:
|> From: sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko)
|> Subject: Looking for LOGO and its developer
|> Date: 26 Jul 92 04:42:14 GMT
|> 
|> 
|>    I am trying to find LOGO for IBM/PC, any version, shareware or commercial.
|>    Any advice?
|>    Also, I would be happy if somebody could give me Seymour Papert's
|>    e-mail address, if it is not classified.
|> -- 


To answer both your questions from your Subj:

Logo was invented/developed at BBN in Cambridge, MA, by a group
headed by Wally Feureig

feurzeig@bbn.com  will probably work, although I occasionally
	get the E and the I reversed.

Seymour, who was a member of the original group and has done far and 
away the greatest recent work is reachable at:

papert@media-lab.media.mit.edu


-- 
Honk if you Teacup Chain...

	...Wex
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: elsbernd@arctecserv-2.informatik.uni-kl.de (Klaus Elsbernd)
Subject: Re: Logo on PCs - Sources and Short Reviews
Reply-To: elsbernd@arctecserv-2.informatik.uni-kl.de (Klaus Elsbernd)
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:44:11 GMT

In article <MURPHYG.92Jul26054717@murphyg.Software.Mitel.COM>, murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy) writes:
|> In article <14pqdfINNerj@hilbert.math.ksu.edu> bennett@math.ksu.edu (Andy Bennett) writes:

|> It does seem surprising that Ladybug is the only PD/Shareware logo.  At
|> a client's site, I once found a directory for some other PD logo for
|> unix, but it had long since been 'archived' never to be seen again.
|> Anyone have any details on this?
|> ...
|> --
|> Gary Lawrence Murphy - Gary.Murphy@software.mitel.COM - (613) 592-2122 x3709
|>  Enlightenment is the natural response to the environment - Morita Shoma

I think you mentioned the Children's Museum/LSRHS LOGO.
I searched for it in using archie one year ago. I don't remember the ftp server. Origionally, it runs under sunview, but I got it running under X11 using the
stdwin Interface, which provides a simple mechanism for creation of windows
under X.
I used the source only as an example for programming turtle graphics into
my lisp system.
If someone is interested, contact to

elsbernd@dfki.uni-kl.de

MfG
Klaus
From: bennett@math.ksu.edu (Andy Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Logo on PCs - Sources and Short Reviews
Date: 24 Jul 1992 15:49:51 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu


I've seen three implementations of Logo that run on a PC. 
 
Ladybug - shareware, available at wuarchive.wustl.edu. Implements the  
basics well. I've had some trouble doing some of the fancier techniques  
but Ladybug is quite acceptable for children. Also the cheapest. 
 
PC-Logo - commercial, available through PC Connection among other places. 
Best implementation I've seen for fancy work (using in place of LISP for  
AI, etc.) Also handles the basics competently. 
 
Logo Writer - commercial, sorry I don't have a source. Best Logo for  
grade school kids. Good interface and strong support for mixing text and  
graphics. Also good for fancy work. 
 
All IMHO of course. 
 
-- 
Andrew G. Bennett         bennett@math.ksu.edu         If you count too
Dept. of Mathematics      Voice: (913) 532-6750        much you turn
Kansas State University   Fax:   (913) 532-7004        purple.  -  SARAH
Manhattan, KS 66502       STRICTLY MY OWN OPINIONS
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: Robot Turtle...(Terapin Turtle)...need info...
Date: 27 Jul 1992 11:13:50 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

I don't think you can get Terrapin turtles any more.  There is the
Valiant turtle, which comes from England, and the Tasman turtle,
which comes from Australia.  Also, the Lego-Logo people publish
plans for a build-it-yourself turtle out of Lego.  I don't have
addresses handy but I'll try to look it up.
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: Logo Compilers?
Date: 29 Jul 1992 22:43:39 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) writes:
>Is there a compilable version of Logo available?  Also, does anyone know of
>any Logo-to-micro-controller cross compilers (something to program embedded
>control for LEGO/Logo vehicles)?  Is there interest in such a cross-compiler?

Object Logo compiles into native 68000 code on the Mac.

I believe that the MIT Logo group has an ongoing research project about
Logo-in-a-Lego-brick controllers; you should get in touch with them.
From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Logo Compilers?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:13:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19420
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Is there a compilable version of Logo available?  Also, does anyone know of
any Logo-to-micro-controller cross compilers (something to program embedded
control for LEGO/Logo vehicles)?  Is there interest in such a cross-compiler?

-- 
Karl R Altenburg				altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu
North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND  58105

All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God.  SIR THOMAS BROWNE
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: Kid's introduction book?
Date: 25 Jul 1992 11:24:06 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

There are a zillion Logo books, but not (imho) so many good ones for
really young kids.  (Once the kid is 10 or so, good books start
becoming available.)  If you got your Logo from Terrapin or LCSI,
it came with introductory materials that are as good as anything.

Also look for "Learning with Logo" by Dan Watt (there are dialect-
specific editions with names like "Learning with Apple Logo" but
it's not that important) and "Teaching with Logo" by Dan and Molly Watt.

Hal Abelson's "Apple Logo" is a classic introductory text but I think
it's out of print.
From: 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: Robot Turtle...(Terapin Turtle)...need info...
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:55:55 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <MAX.92Jul27135405@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> Max Hailperin <max@nic.gac.edu> writes:
>   ....  Also, the Lego-Logo people publish
>   plans for a build-it-yourself turtle out of Lego. 
>
>As a warning, the Lego turtle is a bit disapointing once you've gotten
>used to screen turtles or higher-tech robot turtles.  I've been using
>it (not with Logo, with Scheme, but that is irrelevant) and it is
>frustrating trying to calibrate how many seconds of turning for angles
>of various measures, or even getting the forward/backward motion
>reliable.  The design is completely open-loop -- there is no
>"odometry" to measure how far the wheels actually turn, so you just
>have to go by the times.  Closed curves rarely close, etc.  Another
>limitation is that there is no pen up/down effector, so the pen is
>always down (or always up -- you choose).

I used a lego robot on a BBC using BBC Logo in 1988.  The robot featured
shaft-encdoding as it's odometry, and quite a nice set of LOGO primitives.

It was quite accurate (especially if you ramped the speed up and down so
it didn't slip) and came with a beautiful breakout box with which you
could view all the inputs, outputs, etc, and a big red master switch for
disconnecting output.  A good habit to get into.

Now maybe there's more than one Lego robot, but the one I got to use was
a real pleasure, and has provided lasting memories.

Mitch.
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Berkeley Logo available
Date: 28 Jul 1992 19:50:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

The alpha test release of Berkeley Logo is hereby officially
available by anonymous FTP.  "Alpha test" means that I know there are
bugs in it!  But you're welcome to try it if you understand that.
I'm happy to get bug reports but I don't promise anything.

FTP to anarres.cs.berkeley.edu and get the following files:

pub/logo.tar.Z		Unix sources and documentation
pub/ucblogo.zip		PC version, PKZIP form, including executable BL.EXE
pub/ucblogo.sit.hqx	Mac version, StuffIt/BinHex form, w/ executable Logo
pub/usermanual		Just the documentation file.
pub/csls.tar.Z		Logo programs from _Computer Science Logo Style_

You're on your own for the unpacking software.

Advantages of Berkeley Logo:

	* It's free.

	* It comes with source files (in C).

	* Logo programs are completely compatible among Unix, PC, and Mac.

Disadvantages of Berkeley Logo:

	* It's pretty slow.

	* It doesn't do anything fancy about graphics.  (One turtle.)

	* It still has bugs.  In particular, it runs out of memory easily.

People who can't handle anonymous FTP will have to wait until I get home
(I'm in Ohio right now) to organize other forms of distribution.
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: cb307@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David P. Kressen)
Subject: Re: Kid's introduction book?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 22:52:17 GMT


I think of two books which might be appropriate:  

Introduction to Programming in Logo Using LogoWriter by Sharon Yoder,
published by ISTE, 1787 Agate St, University of Oregon, Eugene OR 97403
($18.95)  and Come Out of Your Shell ... Get into LogoWriter by Corinne
Olivares, published by Blue Valley Schools, 15020 Metcalf, Overland Park,
Kansas 66223.  These both start out slowly and end at about the start of
recursion!  Let me know if you'd like other suggestions!

Dave Kressen <dkresse@atl.calstate.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Robot Turtle...(Terapin Turtle)...need info...Folklore
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Keywords: Logo Folklore
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:27:26 GMT


In article <Bs155M.IAw@DMI.USherb.CA>, protocom@DMI.USherb.CA (protocom-Laurent turcotte) writes:
|> From: protocom@DMI.USherb.CA (protocom-Laurent turcotte)
|> Subject: Robot Turtle...(Terapin Turtle)...need info...
|> Date: 27 Jul 92 04:15:21 GMT
|> 
|> 
|> 	Does anybody no about any kind of turtle robot.
|> 
|> 	This robot is supposed to hold a pen and plot it's movements as it is
|> controlled by a PC (Apple, Mac or etc...) running LOGO.
|> 
|> 	So what you see on the screen (i.e. turtle graphics) is what you get, as
|> traced out by the robot turtle.
|> 
|> 	The information link can be infrared, wireless or even dangling wires...
|> 
|> 	I need to teach youngsters logo, geometry and robotics etc...
|> 
|> P.S. I heard about the Terapin turtle a LONG time ago now I'm interested in
|> locating ANY kind of turtle device....

Folks who have no interest in Logo history should ignore my posts:

The first Logo Turtle was, indeed a wireless robot; it's name
was Irving (from an old joke about a grasshopper).  I built it in
about 1969 - 70?? at BBN in Cambridge.  It was 12" in diameter,
had touch sensors and a bell(beeper).  Later versions had other
ecoutrements.  Irving went incrementally forward, and back, and could
rotate (pivot about it's center) in 15 degree increments.

Irving is in a closet somewhere these days, but I have a few pictures
(and left over parts somewhere)

Irving had an interface driven by a teletype (Reg TM)


-- 
Honk if you Teacup Chain...

	...Wex
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: norsk@mobius (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: Logo on PCs - Sources and Short Reviews
Reply-To: norsk@mobius (Doug Thompson)
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:42:11 GMT

In article <14pqdfINNerj@hilbert.math.ksu.edu>, bennett@math.ksu.edu
(Andy Bennett) writes:
> 
> I've seen three implementations of Logo that run on a PC. 
>  
> Ladybug - shareware, available at wuarchive.wustl.edu. Implements the  
> basics well. I've had some trouble doing some of the fancier techniques  
> but Ladybug is quite acceptable for children. Also the cheapest. 
>  
> PC-Logo - commercial, available through PC Connection among other places. 
> Best implementation I've seen for fancy work (using in place of LISP for  
> AI, etc.) Also handles the basics competently. 
>  
> Logo Writer - commercial, sorry I don't have a source. Best Logo for  
> grade school kids. Good interface and strong support for mixing text and  
> graphics. Also good for fancy work. 
>  
> All IMHO of course. 
>  
> -- 


I'm glad to see this group. my son has been bugging me to get a "real" logo
at home, since he was taught on an apple. We have ladybug from a few years
ago, but didn't know where there were any others.

does anyone have a source for Logo Writer mentioned above?
and TIA

------------------------------------------------------------------------
email:   doug_thompson@npd.novell.com
phone:   801-429-3495

"Me? I'm eighty percent sure I don't like one hundred percent of the 
candidates!"   Answer to a Poll taker.
Polictical cartoon, GORRELL, Copley News Service
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Subject: Re: Looking for LOGO and its developer
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:03:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.044214.5236@cs.umb.edu> sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko) writes:

>   Also, I would be happy if somebody could give me Seymour Papert's
>   e-mail address, if it is not classified.

He does military research? :-)  Well, I tried the obvious
"finger papert@mit.edu", which produces:
[mit.edu]
Student data loaded as of May 23, Staff data loaded as of Jul 22.

Notify the Registrar or Personnel as appropriate to change your information.

This service is maintained by Distributed Computing and Network Services.
Send Comments regarding this service to mitdir@mit.edu.

      Use finger help@mit.edu for some instructions.

There was 1 match to your request.

      name: Papert,  Seymour A
     email: SEYMOUR@MEDIA.MIT.EDU                                        
     phone: (617) 253-7851
   address: E15-313
department: Media Arts & Sci Sec
     title: Lego Professor Of Learning Research
     alias: S-papert

Then I did "papert@media-lab.mit.edu" produces:

[MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU]
Login name: papert    			In real life: Seymour Papert
Office: E15-313, 2530330
Directory: /u/papert                	Shell: /bin/tcsh
Last login Sun Jul 26 11:49 on ttypc from dialup.media.mit
Project: Headlight: Epistemology and Learning. ###
Plan:
%MENTION-MAIL%
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
From: kerskine@astro.East.Sun.COM (Keith Erskine - SunSelect Product Marketing)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Looking for a "Best Buy" Logo
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:36:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kerskine@astro.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro.east.sun.com
Summary: Need Logo for my kids
Keywords: logo, kids

Can anyone suggest a version of Logo that works well on a 386SX
machine?  My daughter saw some kids using Logo on Sesame Street and
keeps bugging me as to why our computer can't do it.


Thanks....Keith Erskine



Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
From: fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin)
Subject: Re: Looking for LOGO and its developer
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:04:11 GMT

The preferred e-mail address for Prof. Papert is
"seymour@media.mit.edu".  "papert@media.mit.edu" will work, but this
address is supposed to be used for priority messages and not general
inquiries. 

If you are interested in a bibliography of publications distributed by
Prof. Papert's research group (the Epistemology and Learning Group at
the MIT Media Lab), please send a request to "el-pub@media.mit.edu".

	- Fred
From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: WINLOGO will be changing it's name to MSWLOGO.ZIP
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:19:41 GMT
Distribution: usa


Note to folks using MSWLOGO (formally winlogo).

That the text manual is not updated to reflect the windows port.
I included because the introduction is very good. The online
help is up to date but does not include the intro.

A version (1.1) with a floodfill function and much more efficient
screen repaints will probably be posted tonight. If the boss lets me :-)
From: lebaron@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Gregory LeBaron)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: MIT Press books
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:13:34 GMT
Organization: INRS Telecommunications

I saw a catalog from MIT Press a few years ago with some very
interesting looking Logo books in it. One was on teaching high school
algebra with Logo; can't remember the others.

Does anyone know if these books are still in print, and if so, how I can
get in touch with MIT Press? Phone number would be good but not 1-800...
they rarely work from Canada.

Thanks
-- 
Gregory LeBaron   lebaron@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca    (514) 765-7835
INRS Telecommunications, 3 Place du Commerce, Verdun, Quebec, Canada, H3E 1H6
From: rrogers@cs.washington.edu (Richard Rogers)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: LogoWriter Source
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:11:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

From ksulliva@seattleu.edu Wed Jul 29 18:47:03 1992
Received: from sumax.seattleu.edu by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65a/7.1ju)
	id AA12252; Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:47:02 -0700
Received: by sumax.seattleu.edu id AA08169
  (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2 for rrogers@cs.washington.edu); Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:45:51 -0700
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:45:51 -0700
From: Kathleen Sullivan <ksulliva@seattleu.edu>
Message-Id: <9207300145.AA08169@sumax.seattleu.edu>
To: rrogers@seattleu.edu
Subject: logowriter
Cc: ksulliva@seattleu.edu
Status: R

someone was asking for a source for logowriter
if no one has responded yet - it's available from LCSI
1-800-321-logo

Thanks, Kathy Sullivan
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: MIT Press books
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:01:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.lang.logo
Organization: Bugs-R-Us


In article <1992Jul31.001334.8259@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA>
lebaron@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Gregory LeBaron) writes:

>Does anyone know if these books are still in print, and if so, how I can
>get in touch with MIT Press? Phone number would be good but not 1-800...


MIT Press is still in business at:
  MIT Press
  Massachusetts Institute of Technology
  Cambridge
  Massachusetts     MA 02142
  United States

The telephone numbers I have for them (1989) are

Person  +1 617 253 1584
Fax     +1 617 258 6779

MIT books are heavy and (in the UK) expensive; they tend to be dip-ins
rather than read-throughs.  With that in mind, have a look both at their
Logo series and their AI series.  In the Logo series, I would recommend
`Turtle Geometry' and `Exploring Calculus Discretely' [?].  From the AI
series I would particularly point out `Structure and interpretation of
computer programs'.  Although this is written with examples in Scheme,
much of what it says is also true of Logo.  Parts of it are so well
written that they really have to be read aloud, like poetry.  The only
MIT Logo series book I have been disappointed with was Michael
Friendly's `Advanced Logo' because I had seen all the material in it
presented elsewhere, and I didn't take to his as it were
painting-by-numbers approach. 

-- Ken Johnson



-- 
////  Advice to dieters:          ////  Ken Johnson, A I Applications Institute
////    Never eat more than       ////       80 South Bridge, EDINBURGH EH1 1HN
////    you can carry.            ////                 E-mail ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk
////               -- Miss Piggy  ////     phone 031-650 2756  fax 031-650 6513
From: am@Materna.DE (Achim Millinghaus)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: LOGO for ATARI ST ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:38:28 GMT

Does anyone know somethin about a logo-interpreter
for ATARI MEGA ST 2.
I'm interesting about getting one.
Please send me what you know about it.
am@materna.de
+49-231-5599244
From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo
Subject: Re: Logo on PCs - Sources and Short Reviews
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:47:17 GMT
Organization: Applications Software II, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: bennett@math.ksu.edu's message of 24 Jul 92 20:49:51 GMT

In article <14pqdfINNerj@hilbert.math.ksu.edu> bennett@math.ksu.edu (Andy Bennett) writes:

   Ladybug - shareware, available at wuarchive.wustl.edu. Implements the  
   basics well. I've had some trouble doing some of the fancier techniques  
   but Ladybug is quite acceptable for children. Also the cheapest. 

You can add Ladybug will run with two monitors (for those rich schools
;-) ) and the major limitations are strict integer math and the lack of
arrays --- this latter is the biggest drawback when trying to run logo
source from examples in books.

I installed Ladybug in my son's grade three class, and they had a great
time writing code to scribble polygons and running some of the demos.
The editor seemed to cause them a bit of trouble, but they enjoyed just
typing in commands and using the command-line editing to repeat the last
sequence with small changes.  I intentionally just installed it and left
it for all the 'Commander Keen' fans in his class to explore it for
themselves.  They found one book in the public library, and then just
toyed with it.

It does seem surprising that Ladybug is the only PD/Shareware logo.  At
a client's site, I once found a directory for some other PD logo for
unix, but it had long since been 'archived' never to be seen again.
Anyone have any details on this?

I'd also be interested in any recommendations for 2nd to 4th grade-level
logo books, as most I've found have assumed a high-school reading level
while offering grade-school-level examples (I wouldn't think teens would
enjoy drawing houses ;-) )

--
Gary Lawrence Murphy - Gary.Murphy@software.mitel.COM - (613) 592-2122 x3709
 Enlightenment is the natural response to the environment - Morita Shoma
Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo