HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: INSIDE SPORTS poll: best players by position
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:27:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.100549.14501@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
>prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts) writes:
>
>This is obviously based on talent and not perofrmance this season. Or was
>this poll taken before the season? KJ and Drexler are obviously both very
>talented star players, but both have been inconsistent due to injuries, so
>that must mean the poll isn't for how they are playing this year. Did the
>article mention when the poll was taken and what the criteria were?

I'm not even sure it was based on talent, I don't know what it was based
on.  Kemps' #9 at PF and even worse Rodman's #3.  Parish is the 5th best
Center?  Robinson at #1 is even questionable.  Richardson, Jackson, and
Smith in instead of Porter or Strickland or even Payton?  Lewis is #3 at
2 guard while Dan Majerle doesn't even make the list?

This looks more like a list of player names based on how visible they
are.  Of the "scout, coaches, GMs, and the like" that voted, it looks
like there were a lot of "and the like".  
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Subject: Re: INSIDE SPORTS poll: best players by position
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:05:49 GMT

prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts) writes:

>In the newest issue Inside Sports comnvened a panel of a dozen NBA
>scouts, coaches, gms and the like and had them vote on the top five
>players at each position (5 points for 1st-place vote, 4 for 2nd, etc.).
>The rankings with vote totals (top 10 at each position unless fewer than
>that got votes):


>POINT GUARD
>Stockton 56
>KJ       34
>Hardaway 30
>Price    27
>Thomas   21
>Pooh      7
>Jackson   2
>S. Smith  1

>SHOOTING GUARD
>Jordan   60
>Drexler  45
>Lewis    19
>Miller   12
>Dumars   12
>Richmond 10
>Hornacek  9
>Marc'nis  7
>Gill      5
>Rice      2

>SMALL FORWARD
>Pippen   44
>Mullin   41
>Wilkins  24
>Manning  18
>Worthy   12
>Shrempf  10
>Nance     8
>McKey     3
>Kersey    1
>Person    1

>POWER FORWARD
>Malone   57
>Barkley  53
>Rodman   18
>Grant    15
>Coleman  14
>Willis    7
>Johnson   7
>Thorpe    6
>Kemp      6
>Williams  4

>CENTER
>Robinson 53
>Ewing    49
>Olajuwon 39
>Daugherty24
>O'Neal    7
>Parish    5
>Mutombo   2
>Seikaly   1


>NOTES:
>Jordan was the only unanimous choice, and Drexler was virtually
>unanimous for second behind him (2nd on 10 of the 12 ballots). Barkley
>got some of votes at small forward, and his point total includes those
>votes. Tightest voting was at small forward, where Pippen got 4
>1st-place votes, Barkley and Mullin 3 each, and Wilkins 2.

>And before anyone wonders, seeing Pippen's and Grant's high ratings: no,
>none of the panelists were from the Bulls organization.

This is obviously based on talent and not perofrmance this season. Or was
this poll taken before the season? KJ and Drexler are obviously both very
talented star players, but both have been inconsistent due to injuries, so
that must mean the poll isn't for how they are playing this year. Did the
article mention when the poll was taken and what the criteria were?

-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu
From: belo@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Bela M. Voigt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Chaney assistant coach for the Pistons?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:55:43 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: briksdal.cs.tu-berlin.de
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi folks!

I just watched a tape of a Cavs-Pistons game from this season.
I think I noticed Don Chaney at the Pistons' bench. Is he a
assistant coach for the Pistons?

Thanx.
belo.
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: was Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:19:39 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <mt#@byu.edu>, jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.150350.7745@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>Pippen has improved in each of his last 5 seasons:
>>
>>Year   FG%   FT%   RPG  APG  PPG
>>87-88 .463  .576   3.8  2.1  7.9
>>88-89 .476  .668   6.1  3.5 14.4
>>89-90 .489  .675   6.7  5.4 16.5
>>90-91 .520  .706   7.3  6.2 17.8
>>91-92 .506  .760   7.7  7.0 21.0
>>
>>And he's currently on track to improve his RPG and APG again this season.

Getting back to the original thread (whether or not John Paxson "sucks")
Does anyone have his stats for the last 5 years or so.  I think they will show
a man in the decline of his career.

BB
From: George L. Shilenko <gelc@gelc.msk.su>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Little request
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:06:45 +0300
Distribution: world
Organization: gelc
Reply-To: gelc@gelc.msk.su

>From gelc Mon Jan 11 18:05:01 MSK 1993
May i ask You to send me the time-table of NBA games
in January and February. I can't find it in my statistics.

                                       Great thanks.

                                       Dmitriy Shukin, Russia
                                       gelc@gelc.msk.su


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Phoenix-Jimmy Jackson
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:32:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.195810.19105@cheshire.oxy.edu>, creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan10.193056.4272@athena.mit.edu> mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu) writes:

|> >Plus, you wonder how much Phoenix could pay Jackson
|> >and still stay under the salary cap.
|> >
|> >Opinions?
|> 
|> I don't believe staying under the salary cap would really be an
|> issue.  For all intents and purposes, Jackson isn't under contract,
|> so would their ability to pay him have anything to do with their
|> acquiring him?  I don't understand the salary cap rules so I can't
|> say for certain.
|> 
|> Personally, I'd see that as a great addition, especially with KJ's
|> recent injury problems.  In addition, it would surely gurantee a
|> good future for the Suns.  With Barkley, Chambers, and Ainge all
|> looking to retire rather soon, it would be nice to have the likes
|> of Jim Jackson and Richard Dumas playing with KJ, Majerle, Miller,
|> and co..
|> 
|> Scott
|> 

One, we know that Phoenix is already slightly over the salary cap.
Trading Knight, Ceballos, and Mustaf would certainly lower the
Sun's salary cap, probably by under $2,000,000 since none of these
guys are highly paid.  However much the Suns would have under the cap
would be the maximum they could offer Jackson, whom we all know
wants a huge contract.  

So in answer to your question, would the salary cap be an issue?
Most definitely -- in fact signing a new player is one of the few
times that the cap becomes crucial.

Would this be a good trade?  I don't know.  From the Mavs
perspective, they certainly are not getting equal value, but
they would get a lot of bodies out of the deal, and everyone 
knows they are in a desparate position.
From the Suns perspective, they would be taking a chance of
cutting their depth and upsetting team chemistry. On
the other hand, Knight has been a big disappointment this year,
and Mustaf is playing almost no minutes, and Dumas is outplaying
Ceballos.  Jackson after missing so much of the season probably
couldn't help them much for a while.  It's a great trade in the long run,
but perhaps the Suns should wait after the season.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Sonics' draft picks
Summary: need to know Sonics' draft picks
Keywords: Sonics Seattle
Date: 10 Jan 93 07:38:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan10.073834.25290
Organization: Western Washington University

Anybody know what the situation is on the Sonics' future draft picks? Now
that the tradefest seems to be over, I'd love to know where they stand,
especially for this year's draft. Are they back to their own picks, or do
they have more or less? I know it's pretty early to be thinking about the
draft, but I'd love to see the Sonics make a deal for a top draft pick to
try and acquire either Montross or Webber. Though they play different styles
of center, either of them would fit in well with Seattle. Webber will
probably play power forward in the NBA, but in Seattle, with Karl's "small"
mentality, he'd be a perfect center. Imagine both Webber and Kemp in the
same backcourt. Makes me shiver. Anyway, please post the draft info!

-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: How dumb is Red McCombs?
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:21:32 GMT

Letting Strickland go was probably the dumbest player move this year. 1
Firing Tarkanian was handled badly, but there's the sneaking suspicion
that Tark didn't really mind so much.  It's the same situation with Ditka
and the Bears, where a coach probably would really prefer not to deal with
the problems with his team but can't bring himself to quit.

But bringing in John Lucas was a stroke of genius.  Or it looks that way
for the time being.  He is getting good performances out of most of his
players and seems to have turned on Dale Ellis and Sean Elliott.

But he doesn't seem to have any real coaching experience and playing 
point guard for years is not necessarily the same thing.  Magic was a
"coach on the floor", but he had a real coach on the bench.  Could it be
that eventually the magic will wear off the Spurs, much the same way the 
coaching change in Milwaukie wore off?  This is still a team without 
Anderson, Cummings, or a "real" point guard.

1.  The Barkeley trade was the best move this year, even though Phoenix 
did give up Horny they got rid of two "C" players and let the Suns run 
some more.  It's a tossup as to whether Ainge or Strickland is the second
best: both the Suns and Blazers got a quality player for nothing but 
money and both teams have won games this year simply because they <had> 
picked up those players.  The picks of Gugliotta, Sprewell, and Peeler 
so far look excellent, with the trade for Byron Houston possibly being
almost as big.  Picking the Shaq or Mourning was pretty obvious ...

Letting Ainge go was possibly the second-worst move of this year, although
he was really lost to the Blazers last year when they didn't tear up his 
old contract and redo it.  They really didn't have a chance to sign him 
this year since they'd offended him so badly a year ago.

--
jamesd@techbook.COM                   "2291 newsgroups & nothing on ..."  
PDaXs gives free access to news & mail. (503) 220-0636 - 1200/2400, N81  
Full internet (ftp, telnet, irc) access available. Voice: (503) 223-4245
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:02:35 GMT

In article <108000076@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele) writes:
>    Team Defense                         Team Defensive FG Pct.   
>      Team            Pts/Game        Team               FG Pct.  
> 1 NYKnicks               92.0    1 NYKnicks              0.422    
> 2 DetroitPistons         98.1    2 SanAntonioSpurs       0.442    
> 3 ChicagoBulls           98.6    3 OrlandoMagic          0.450    
> 4 SeattleSupersonics    100.4    4 HoustonRockets        0.458    
> 5 HoustonRockets        101.0    5 SeattleSupersonics    0.459    
> 6 SanAntonioSpurs       102.0    6 UtahJazz              0.461    
> 7 ClevelandCavaliers    102.5    7 IndianaPacers         0.464    
> 8 UtahJazz              102.7    8 LAClippers            0.464    
> 9 LALakers              102.9    9 ChicagoBulls          0.465    
>10 MilwaukeeBucks        104.0   10 DetroitPistons        0.465    

Hmmm.  Half the top teams in each of these catagories seem to be out
West.  Does someone know how East vs West compare in each of the numbers?
Maybe that "East defensive dominance" isn't as dominate as we all have
thought.  It might also be interesting to look at just playoff teams.
The gap betwen NY and everyone else is pretty amazing, but then again
their dead last in offense.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: FT differences between teams
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:39:05 GMT

In article <5914@osc.COM> ashwin@osc (Ashwin Honkan) writes:
>
>
>LAL   27  852   646       +206  +7.62     103.6    102.6    +1.0 
>
>Why don't they change their name to the 'LA Saints', poor souls who
>never foul but get beaten up every time ? Or have the refs forgotten
>that Magic 'I never fouled anyone in my life' Johnson has retired ?
>
>Ashwin [Justice For Evryone] Honkan

this is just Ed Lor's noted residual SuperPower status in effect.
the Lakers still have some altitude between them and reality.

- nate
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: All-Star Voting Summary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:54 EST  

In article <11JAN199315123834@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>, ecaxron@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes...
>In article <1993Jan11.174941.17824@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, 
>     ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes...


>"I mean, here's a guy with no clue whatsoever - and look what he's doing!
> Just think what he'll be like when he figures out what's going on!"
> -  Steve Kerr, on Shaquille O'Neal

I miss quotes like this in Cleveland.  Kerr is great for interviews, and 
its a shame that he's not around up here anymore, especially since he isn't 
getting minutes down there.


Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: R3MCS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS)
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:25:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.190235.18722@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
 
>In article <108000076@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele) writes:
>>    Team Defense                         Team Defensive FG Pct.
>>      Team            Pts/Game        Team               FG Pct.
>> 1 NYKnicks               92.0    1 NYKnicks              0.422
>> 2 DetroitPistons         98.1    2 SanAntonioSpurs       0.442
>> 3 ChicagoBulls           98.6    3 OrlandoMagic          0.450
>> 4 SeattleSupersonics    100.4    4 HoustonRockets        0.458
>> 5 HoustonRockets        101.0    5 SeattleSupersonics    0.459
>> 6 SanAntonioSpurs       102.0    6 UtahJazz              0.461
>> 7 ClevelandCavaliers    102.5    7 IndianaPacers         0.464
>> 8 UtahJazz              102.7    8 LAClippers            0.464
>> 9 LALakers              102.9    9 ChicagoBulls          0.465
>>10 MilwaukeeBucks        104.0   10 DetroitPistons        0.465
>
>Hmmm.  Half the top teams in each of these catagories seem to be out
>West.  Does someone know how East vs West compare in each of the numbers?
>Maybe that "East defensive dominance" isn't as dominate as we all have
>thought.  It might also be interesting to look at just playoff teams.
>The gap betwen NY and everyone else is pretty amazing, but then again
>their dead last in offense.
 
As you note, half are from the west, but half are from the East also
(exactly half).  And while fg% may be the west's forte as shown, the
East have the three top spots in ppg (which is what it comes down to
anyway, right?).  If you don't have the ball to shoot (steals, etc.),
it's better than shooting & missing (from a defensive view).
 
>--
>Harry Koehnemann
>enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: tmorgan@quesadilla.ssesco.com (Toni Morgan)
Subject: Wolves Fire Rodgers
Organization: SSESCO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:55:19 GMT

I've just received a phone call informing me that "after weeks of denying" that
any such action was impending, the Timberwolves have today terminated Coach
Jimmy Rodgers.  Unfortunately, the caller (who had just heard it on the radio)
did not hear who would be replacing him.  Anybody know?

rgds,
  T
Toni Morgan        |   "Rock and roll is more than a haircut."
toni@zetaco.com    |                               - Nuno Bettencourt
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sonics' draft picks
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:20:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Keywords: Sonics Seattle

From what I've heard, and this is really confusing, Seattle has the best
of their, Portland's? (or some other good team), and Philly's 1st round
pick next year.  Since it appears Philly's will be the highest pick,
Seattle basically has the 76ers pick in the first round.  But, if this is
pick is in the lottery, Philly has the option of keeping it and giving the
Sonics their 1994 pick instead.

Hope that clears it up (and I'm just really sure it will).

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: sdy@bcstec.boeing.com (Ugly Bag of Mostly Water)
Subject: Re: Warriors big men
Organization: Ringworld
	<1993Jan7.030227.11740@muddcs.claremont.edu>
	<1993Jan7.044305.24154@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:53:36 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jan 93 04:43:05 GMT, terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) said:

|> In article <1993Jan7.030227.11740@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
|> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes: 

|> Latrell Spreewell is a really awesome player.  I saw him for the first time 
|> at the Sonics game.  He is for real.  Nice Jordanesque moves and a ggood outside
|> touch (at least in that game, but one game does not a player make :)
|> 

   Terry> Actually, last night was a fairly typical game for him.  There have
   Terry> other games where he has shot better.
I was at that game and he really seems to be a "scary" player - for moments in
the first half it looked liked he was going to totally take over while Hardaway
was resting -- luckily (or was it defense? it did pick up.) he kinda faded out
never to be seen again. But he does look like a player for sure, just needs to
put it togeather during crunch time. It was a very close game, great D by the
sonics for 20-22 seconds followed by Hardaway draining a trey -- nothing like
it.

I was suprised that Hill didn't play, and Houston has potential but keeps
suffering from those "rookie" (non)-fouls.

steve.
-- 
Steven D. Yee is sdy@bcstec.boeing.com    ==> The Boeing Co. has no opinions =P
       I supply creativity to another's mistake as a form of self hate..
            What about your friends? Will they stand their ground?
                   Will they let you down, again? -- T.L.C.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Alaa is playing in Boston!!!
Date: 05 Jan 93 17:16:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Alaa

In article <jxu.726164498@black.clarku.edu>, jxu@black.clarku.edu (The batman) writes:
> Once again, Alaa played well last night.  He scored 21 points against LA

Hey, maybe he heard what Sonics broadcaster Mychal Thompson
said about his game:

"Alaa...The big pharoah who sometimes plays like a mummy."

All right, so it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. 
It's still a good line.

Paul


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: questions on all-star voting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:34:25 GMT


Re: The NBA All-Star Voting

It is my understanding that the starting five for each time are
selected based on the All-Star voting, with he remainder of each
team selected by the All-Star coaches.  Is this correct?

Assuming that this is the case, are the top two vote-getting guards
and top two vote-getting forwards selected, or the top PG, top SG,
top PF, and top SF?  For instance, if the East team were selected
today, would the two guards be Jordan and Hornacek or Jordan and
Thomas?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Tom@Orlando
From: fls@acpub.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Scott Williams' injury
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:23:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	I was watching the game on television when Scott Williams went
tumbling over Michael Jordan.  He acted like it was a painful
experience, but I haven't heard the extent of his injury.  Does anybody
know?

**

	PS:  There's been a good deal of talk around here about how
badly the Bulls are playing this year.  Get serious!

fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Sonics' draft picks
Keywords: Sonics Seattle
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:09:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.180601.19497@zip.eecs.umich.edu> raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani) writes:
>There is no point in even thinking about either Webber or Montross as Sonics
>since they are both almost certain lottery picks and given the way the Sonics
>are playing, they will probably end up one of the last 4 or 5 picks of the 
>first round.

Also, Webber is just a sophomore and Montross is a junior.  I wouldn't be
surprised if Webber came out early, but I'd be very surprised if Montross
did.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Warriors need an attitude...
Keywords: 89 Detroit Pistons..
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:27:04 GMT

In article <12562@risky.Convergent.COM>, trit@pase60.Convergent.Com (Tri Tran) writes:

|>    Alexander, who's roughly the same height, good shooter from the outside
|> like Bill Liambeer, can play defense and have an attitude like him. I don't
|> care for Liambeer that much either, but I'll be the first one to tell you
|> that the guy is a competitor, good position defender, and great rebounder
|> for a slow w.... man. If only Alexander can be like him...

True, Alexander has the skills and size -- he just needs to be more
aggressive and physical.

|>   And find a consistent outside shooter/defender like Joe Dumar. Who's on
|> the trading block now that even come close?... Can Sprewell ever develop in
|> to a 20 PPG 2 guard?
|> 
|> So you see, the Warriors actually need a little man!
|> 
|> Later,

Actually, Sprewell is pretty close to 20 ppg and is getting better all the
time.  I think he will be the Warrior's Joe Dumars.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro