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From: siejko@rtc.atk.com (Kris Siejko)
Subject: Re: Collecting old (and not so old) calculators
Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc., Mpls, MN
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:59:57 GMT

In article <EtPRrAULBh107h@pete.uucp> dennis%pete%nicmad%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>
>I still have the first calculator I bought in 1972 and several others I
>have pickup along the years. I have always thought these would be the collectors 
>items of the future.  I would like some net wisdom on other calculator makes and
>models that I should look for if you assume they will be collectors items in 20 or
>more years from now.  
>
>I believe the classics like an HP 35 ( I still do not have this one ) are the place to
>start but I would like to build a wish list to use on garge sale times for my use.
>
>If I get enough interest I will post or e-mail my composit list.
>

I also have wondered if the first calculators of the 70's
would ever become collectable.  I guess it would depend on
how many were produced and whether or not people threw them
out after they became obsolete.  (As I recall, it was a big
deal when the square root key was added....:) So there are
many earlier ones that have only the + - X / operations.
(Some of those used to cost up to $100 !).

I guess I would look in catalogs (i.e. Sears) from the 70's
as a start.  

My feeling is that there are probably several hundred thousand
HP 35's laying around, and they probably won't become valuable 
for another 50 years or so...  


Kris
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: watpod78@alfred.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: Hot water and old bottles
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:19:57 GMT

Please never combine the above!  As you get into the older bottles, particularly the 1800's and beyond, the glass is nowhere near as pure as modern glass, therefore is much more unstable.  If there are any weaknesses in the glass (and there almost always are) in the form of open bubbles, potstones (little black stones which appear as impurities in the glass) there is a good chance they will "open up", sometimes dramatically, when an old bottle is exposed to extremes of heat or cold.  Therefore, never put o





ld bottles in the dishwasher, unless you really like convenience and don't mind the eventuality that, some day, one of your possessions will be reduced to shards by the water/heat.

And despite the fact that old bottles in the window look really pretty, don't do this to any bottle you respect.  I have a bundle of cobalt blues in the kitchen window cuz they're pretty (and real cheap), but I'd never let any of my better bottles get direct sunlight.  Same as any other heat source.  If you have a heatilator fireplace, don't put the bottles on the mantle.  Or on/near a radiator, etc.  Nothing is worse than a cracked bottle, cuz a crack can never be repaired.

The beauty of a glass bottle is inherent in the fact that it is simultaneously very strong, yet very fragile.  By exposing old glass to extremes of temperature, you risk its future.

Phil
From: rschorr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Electric Clock
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:11:58 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <144863@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, jeff_roberts@esciqm.es.llnl.gov (Jeff Roberts) writes:
> My wife and I have an 'old' (1940's?) electric clock, General Electric 
> Westminster Chime, that needs a new motor.  The existing motor will run 
> for a couple minutes, then stop.  I have tried to lubricate the motor, but 
> this does not seem to help.  Does anyone know where to look for 
> replacement motors?  Specifics: model 416; motor type B3, 59M31.  This 
> clock has more sentimental value than anything else, but we are also 
> interested in its value.  Thanks to anyone who can help.
> 
> 
> Jeff Roberts        
> (jeff_roberts@esciqm.es.llnl.gov)
> Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
> P.O. Box 808  L-365
> Livermore, CA 94551-0808
From: robie@umbc3.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Old records from the 60's
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:20:52 -0500
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
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In article <1itgmvINN4bj@koh-sun3.usc.edu> meattle@usc.edu (Meattle) writes:
>
>I have a whole bunch of records from the late sixties...
>
>Was just wondering what they would be worth today,
>
>say for example a Beatle's record.???

As with many things, condition is crucial.  If your Beatles albumn has
never been opened or played, it might be worth a few bucks.  Otherwise, used
albumns in average condition just don't bring very much.

The kind of albumn that you describe will bring, in the used record stores
around Baltimore, on the average of $1 to $5.  The *vast* majority of these
are in the $1 range, and only those that are in *exceptional* condition
(no scratches at all - no matter how slight - with like-new jackets), and
by groups that are desirable (Beatles, Stones, Doors, Joplin, etc.) make it
to the $5 category.  Most people are interested in them for the music value, 
and most of what you have can probably now be obtained on remastered CDs.  The
dedicated collectors want to find albumns that are still like new, and sealed
in the original plastic wrap.  There is a *very* limited market for albumns
that have excellent covers (dust jackets), but don't hold your breath until
you meet someone who collects "albumn art" (and if you do, yours had better be
flawless).

Of course, your mileage may vary according to regional availability, market
demand, etc..  These same albumns might bring twice the money in some area
where there would be demand for them (college town?), but little competitive
supply (college town in the boondocks? Miami/Ohio?).


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From: gail@sequent.com (Gail A. Lewis)
Subject: Trade Fruit/Canning Jars
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:48:46 GMT

I know there are lots of others who collect bottles and jars.  I
specifically collect very old canning jars.  I have lots of duplicates
and would be happy to trade (or sell) to other collectors.  

Because I live in Oregon, I have access to Selco jars, which are
very hard to find in the rest of the country.  They were manufactured
by Ball Corp. for Sellers Co. in Oregon and were distributed in
only in this state.   

Ball has a small book on their antique jars, and the writer states
that he thinks the Selco's only came in a quart size.  We have them
in half gallon and pint size as well as quart.  They are the
beautiful "Ball blue," glass lid, wire bail.  "Selco" is in the
traditional round slug that Ball used when they made canning jars
for other companies.

I would like to stay in touch with other collectors thoughout the
country (or world) who have access to jars that we may not find
very often on the west coast.  My husband and I attend lots of
antique shows and can look for specific items in exchange for the
same :-)  

Other than Canadian, we don't have any foreign canning jars and
would be very interested in learning what is out there.  And, we'd
love to just talk with interested persons about the evolution of
canning and the wide assortment of old canning/fruit jars.  It's
a fascinating world!  Honest!  

What can I say?  These lovely, practical pieces of art appeal to
me more than 50's radios or old calculators ... I can remember
them!  The canning jars "really" are antiques because many easily
go back 100 years ... no flame mail please.  I'm just teasing!

Thanks!

Gail Lewis
Internet:  gail@sequent.com
Uucp:      !sequent!gail
From: aa440@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Wedge)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Another watch question
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:37:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa440@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Wedge)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I've got a pocket watch from (20's or 30's, I think).  It is a
Waltham with a white porcelain background, minute and hour hand,
plus a second hand located in the bottom center of the watch.

The wind up mechanism is at the top with a key chain holder that
goes over the wind mechanism.  The back is engraved with the
initials of the guy that owned it.  It has no date, runs well,
etc.

Just wondering
From: wiehn@gdc.com (John Wiehn)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Displaying Milk Bottles?????
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:58:10 GMT


I recently went to a small bottle show in my area.  Several vendors had
old pyro milk bottles on display that were filled with what looked like
small white pellets.  I know the pellets are used to display the bottles
better but is there a name for the white pellets??  Where can I get a
bag of the stuff for my milk bottles??  What is the cost??

Please Email directly or post.

Thanks!!!!

John Wiehn
Email: WIEHN@EVAX.GDC.COM

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From: watpod78@alfred.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: labelled bottles
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:15:25 GMT

Never take a label off a bottle, never reattach it using varnish or anything of the sort.  By so doing, you destroy any proof that the label was originally attached to the bottle, and so, although it may be prettier from a personal standpoint, the historical proof is gone.  The idea is to make sure that the label is no more damaged after you start than it was when you started.  So don't get any water on it if you can help it, and please don't varnish over it or anything like that.  Cleaning the inside of t



he bottle is as usual, so long as none of the liquid gets outside and on the label.  Clean the outside with a damp rag, and use a soft, dry brush to whisk away any dirt that may be just next to or on the label itself.  Once the bottle has been satisfactorily cleaned, wrap the entire bottle with saran wrap or some such clear non-stick plastic wrap, thus rotecting the label.

Phil
From: meattle@usc.edu (Meattle)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Old records from the 60's
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:16:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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I have a whole bunch of records from the late sixties...

Was just wondering what they would be worth today,

say for example a Beatle's record.???


 Saumya
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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:50:17 EST
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Selections for the week:


* SAN FRANCISCO  - 9- over Washington
* Philadelphia   + 6- over DALLAS


Last week 2-2 -2.5 units.  Season 39-23 + 9.9 Units


*** Air Force + 8   L  0 - 13
**  Texas A&M + 6-  L  3 - 28
**  Alabama   + 8   W 34 - 13
*   BUFFALO   - 3   P 41 - 38 (OT)
*   Philly    + 3-  W 36 - 20


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From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Whodunnit?
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:42:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan04.214250.39879
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

I have it from an informed source that there was a "Frank Irwin" at the
Las Vegas Advisor Party in (where else?) Las Vegas last month.  Could it
really be a coincidence, or was someone just being funny?

Did anyone who was there get a chance to talk to this fellow?

From the description I got, it could've been Jacobs, but I'd'a thunk he
would've told me about it.

				-- Frank
				  "All I want to know is,
				   how'd I do?"
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From: hashimoto@sgi.com (Roy Hashimoto)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: The Price of Poker
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:03:47 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sideout.asd.sgi.com

In article <117780001@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> dcc@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Don Cameron) writes:
>Garden City added insult to the injury of a rotating dealer charge by spreading
>9-handed games (I assume this is to speed the game up and make more $ for the
>house).  The dealer charge in $2 and $4 Omaha split is $3.  Does anyone think
>these games are beatable for more than 1/2 top bet/hour in the long run?

It's certainly going to be very difficult, particularly in the $3-$6 game.
Add tips on top of this, and you're really swimming against the tide.

On that note, how much are the dealers making?  The typical tip in Las
Vegas for low-limit is fifty cents per hand, but it seems to be a dollar
in California.  Say three rounds an hour, and we're talking about a $50K
income in tips alone if they work the standard number of hours.  Are the
dealers really doing that well?

Roy Hashimoto
hashimoto@sgi.com
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: gambling
Date: 11 Jan 1993 03:59:08 +1030
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        gamble, gamble, gamble,...is that all that is discussed on this 
board?  What about real issues like who won the 1952 F.A. Cup?

        The Mad Hackette

g4beaton@student.business.uwo.ca (Gary Beaton)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario


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From: dcc@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Don Cameron)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:35:42 GMT
Subject: The Price of Poker
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.gambling

"The price of poker just went up."  An inane phrase, repeated in countless
home poker games, would seem apt when applied to low limit poker games
in certain clubs in California and Nevada.

Before the California poker explosion of the 80's, low limit hold'em and stud
could be found in Nevada with a 5%, $2.00 maximum rake.  (I am referring to
$3 and $6 stud and $2 and $4 hold'em and higher - the $1-$3 or $1-4 stud
games were generally 10%, $3.00 max rake).

A tight, solid player, who is not in that many pots, should prefer a rake game.
For such a player, the price of poker definitely increased when poker
liberalization hit the Bay Area.  One club I know of which initially raked
their 10-handed hold'em games now charges the (rotating) "dealer" $2 in
$2 & $4 and $3 in $3 & 6.  Thus one might be paying $9/hour, or 1 1/2 top bets,
to play.

Garden City added insult to the injury of a rotating dealer charge by spreading
9-handed games (I assume this is to speed the game up and make more $ for the
house).  The dealer charge in $2 and $4 Omaha split is $3.  Does anyone think
these games are beatable for more than 1/2 top bet/hour in the long run?

Sadly, these inflationary trends have spread to South Lake Tahoe, although
the games are still raked.  Harvey's $2-$6 hold'em now has a $3 max rake,
and their $1-3-6-6 7 stud split game is $4.00 max.  Try playing a head up
pot with a lock for low and no high chances, and watch the rake accumulate.

I suppose Harvey's clientele, being largely Californians, are inured to
these tariffs.  The moral: play higher, or play blackjack.

For you Bay Area-ites - I recall that poker clubs in Contra Costa County 
used to rake pots rather than charge time (back in the lowball days).
Do they (or any other Bay Area clubs) still use a rake in their hold'em games?
How about the Cameo Club in Palo Alto?
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: Tahoe info?
Organization: UCLA Honors and Undergraduate Programs
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:05:23 PST

In article <JACOBS.93Jan7070658@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>In article <eric.181.0@hup.ucla.edu> eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) 
writes:>>In article <1igfisINNr12@network.ucsd.edu> erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (
Sean Erwin) writes:>>>Everyplace in Lake Tahoe is pretty expensive, but all 
BJ is double down on>>>10 or 11 only.
>>
>> All single deck might be 10/11 only but there's plenty of shoes with 
>> southern nevada rules.
>
>That really isn't much consolation... <etc...>
I implied that shoes were bad for business when I wrote "Tahoe was hard to 
beat".  But, Tahoe _is_ a whole lot nicer to look at than southern nevada, 
so if you enjoy playing and you can find a dealer who is cutting off less 
than 10 or 15% of the deck, I'd say play. 
________________________
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eric@hup.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2768
From: slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: The Price of Poker
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:12:46 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <1ifkpnINNqqu@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>In article <117780001@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> dcc@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Don Cameron) writes:
>>
>>For you Bay Area-ites - I recall that poker clubs in Contra Costa County 
>>used to rake pots rather than charge time (back in the lowball days).
>>Do they (or any other Bay Area clubs) still use a rake in their hold'em games?
>>How about the Cameo Club in Palo Alto?
>
>Cameo charges $6/half hour in their $1-2-2 no limit hold'em game.  Don't know
>what they do in the others.

Cameo Club used to charge on the half hour for their limit games.  Cameo
now charges $2 on the button for 2-4 and $3 on the button for 3-6.  It's
kind of odd, because the time payment is live.  Artichoke Joe's (San
Bruno) collects from the button in their limit Hold'em games, and
charges on the half hour for their no-limit games.
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Request feedback on Vegas World package deal
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:52:35 GMT

> 
> Thanks in advance!  
> 
> Ron

        While not a complete rip-off, this deal certainly promises a LOT 
more than it delivers.  For example:
        *  Drinks are free in all the casinos (if you're gambling)
        *  You can get rooms as cheap or cheaper in various places on
           the strip (particularly if you travel mid-week)
        *  The "casino action" chips are a clever sort of bait and switch
The chips by themselves are worthless, so you have to gamble with REAL 
chips in addition to the "match play" chips.  For example, to use 1 
casino action chip in blackjack you must accompany it with one of your 
own chips of an equal value,...if you win the hand the dealer will give 
you 2 more chips of the same value, for a total of THREE (not four) 
chips.
          *  They generally come through on the $200 cash if you jump 
through all the hoops
          *  The "prize" that you win will be worthless (a velvet oil 
painting from a famous local artist!)
          *  If food is included in the deal it will be the mass produced 
variety and you will want to eat elsewhere.
           * You won't win anything on the slot machines

        Remember, Vegas World's objective in offering this package is to 
keep you IN THEIR CASINO during your entire trip.  You can probably put 
together a package of equal value on your own and get a chance to see the 
many different sites on the strip to boot!

        BTW if you do end up with "match play" chips, go immediately to 
the roulette wheel and play "red/even" with your matching "real" chips, 
this way you'll get roughly 1/2 of the "cash" value of these worthless 
chips and you'll get it within 15 minutes or so....

s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Poker table top for sale
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:18:52 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1isfpaINN265@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@diver.asd.sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>Note: This table top for sale is in San Jose.  If you're not within reasonable
>driving distance of San Jose, it's probably not worth your trouble.

[Table description deleted, to leave more room for me to be a smart-ass.]

>If you're a serious buyer, you're more than welcome to come over to our
>house and check it out.

Can we come over and *try* it out?

				-- Frank
				   "We gotta see if it's a winning
				    table or not, right?"
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: con games
From: surf@netlink.cts.com (Tony Rosa)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 23:44:25 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

who are these idiots posting pyramid schemes, every forum I am in has on
get a life guys.  flame flame flame
tr 8)

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From: kena@ngc.com (Ken Anderson)
Subject: Hotels in Tahoe
Summary: Looking for a nice place to stay
Keywords: Lake Tahoe Casinos and Hotels
Organization: Network General Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:41:23 GMT

I am planning a ski/gambling trip to Lake Tahoe in a few weeks.
I want to ski on the south end of the lake primarily so I want
to stay in that area.

What hotels are nice in the south Tahoe area?
  Ceasers (sp)?  Harveys?  Harrahs?  Horizon?
Which ones of these are good places to stay?  
Are there better places?

Thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom.

kena@ngc.com


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From: adkins@singha.eng.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth C. Adkins)
Subject: Roulette data
Summary: Does anybody have a roulette wheel I can borrow?
Keywords: Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:02:05 GMT


I just got done reading "The Eudaemonic Pie" by Thomas Bass, which has
been discussed in the past in this group.  I guess I was a little
disappointed with the book, because I wanted more details.  (It seems
obvious that Bass is not a techy.)  Anyway, in a fit of curiosity, I
started playing with the physics of estimating where the roulette ball
would land on the wheel.  I think I've got the basic equations, but I
had to make some assumptions (e.g. the only significant drag on the
ball is wind resistance, as was reported in the book) that I cannot
verify without a wheel or some data on a wheel.  So now the question
is: do any of you have any real world data on something like this?
Better yet, does anyone own a roulette wheel in the Columbus, OH area?
OK, maybe I'm asking a bit much with that one.  It's just that I'd
hate to waste any significant portion of time at a casino taking data
if it turns out not to be practical.  One last question: (I'm assuming
that the story is true here) do any of you know any of the characters
in the book? (What?  It's possible.)

Please email any response, as our SysAdm just restricted this group to
expire articles 4 times per day!!

Thanks,
Ken

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