From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed repeaters
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:30:20 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Distribution: world
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In article <8323@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> In article <1ialnnINNt37@transfer.stratus.com> leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
|> >In article <8319@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> >|> OK...but let's add some more things to make your analogy even closer: First of
|> >|> all, the highway has hundreds of lanes.
|> >And there are thousands of users/drivers.  If you live in any metro area
|> >you know that demand for more lanes rises faster than they can be built.
|> 
|> ...but, since there are hundreds of lanes, changing lanes to one that doesn't
|> have someone's Porsche in it is not only possible but easy.

Except he isn't the only person parking in the lanes.  Hundreds of others
have the same idea.  Nobody has a problem with them using the road to drive
on, it's using it for a private parking lot when they aren't that we have
a problem with.

|> Sorry, but this doesn't wash either. You're demanding that Jim change his
|> Porsche into a public bus, just liek all the public busses in all the other
|> lanes. Are you going to pay for it? If not, then what gives you the right to
|> take his property?

You can't be that thick skulled, you must be playing dense to avoid my point.
No one is saying he should be forced to play taxi driver.  Just don't park
the damn thing in the middle of the road when you aren't using it.  Let
someone else use the lane while you aren't.  I realize not having to bother
with other people is real handy, but it doesn't work that way.

|> You're demanding that Jim hand the keys to his Porsche to anyone who comes
|> along and asks. Are you prepared to buy the machine from him? If not, then ho
|> dare you tell him how to run it?

I don't care how much you spent on your car/repeater it doesn't grant you
the right to section off an area of public property for your private use.
You can spend all the money you want, but it isn't going to change the
fact that you are using public property.

AS STATED BEFORE, the situation is more like this:

Let me put it to you this way.  In your neighborhood there is a public park.
You like the park, but you feel that you and few friends would enjoy the
park more if you added a BBQ grill.  So you use your own money to add a
BBQ grill to the public park and enjoy it very much.

Now a new family moves in and starts using the park.  You don't know, care,
or like them so you try to tell them they can't use your grill.  The
problem is that your grill is built on public land, not private land.  If
you don't want them to use it while you aren't there the only thing you can
do is take it with you when you leave.  You can't rope off the area around
the grill and claim it as your private area 24-hours a day even when you
aren't there.  You don't own the land the public does.  Either share the
grill or remove it from public property when you are done for the day.

I'm not saying you have to let them use your grill/repeater, just don't
try to lay claim to public property by building something on it.  If you
don't want to share your stuff (take it home/shut it off) when you are
done (using the park for the day/talking).  That way someone else, who
has equal an equal right to use the park, can get the full use of the 
park that you enjoyed.  Claiming exclusive rights to part of the park
wrongly deprives them of its full use.  It isn't your's to claim.

I'm not saying don't put up a repeater.  Just don't get this "I own this
pair stay the hell off it" attitude.  You don't own anything except your
repeater hardware and attitude.  If someone you don't like starts using
the machine turn it off.  Getting on with an "I own this freq" attitude is
wrong and silly.  Just turn your repeater off, that is the only thing you
do own and control.
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