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From: andre.trudel@acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel)
Subject: yamaha atv manual
Organization: Acadia University
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:02:48 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I have a Yamaha Owners Workshop Manual for 1980-85 ATVs.
Free to a good home (send me an address). 
The manual is in mint shape and I'd hate to throw it out.

I know this post isn't hunting related, but I figured 
some hunter would be interested in the manual.

andre


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Subject: Hammer hooks on 101
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:46:16 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Any Winchester/Classic Doubles 101 experts out there?  I had a gun come in
to my shop the other day who's owner claims will not fire the bottom barrel
first reliably.  Took the stock off and low and behold there were "hooks"
attached to each hammer which are free to pivot up and down and do not
allow the gun to fire when rotated in the up position:


                      _________
                     |         | ______________
                     |         | \   O        |
                     |         |  |     _     |
                     |   ______|__|____| \    |
                     |   O________________\   |
                     |         |  |  SEAR     |
                     | HAMMER  |  |___________|
                     |         |


This is a really crude drawing of a side view of the arrangement with the
gun in the normal firing position.  All I can think of is that the hooks
are there to keep the gun from firing should the trigger be pulled with the
gun in an over the shoulder position, top of the receiver resting on the
shoulder, trigger guard sticking up in the air.

I have worked in 101's before and have never seen this arrangement but this
was a new ( less than 4 years old) gun and was specifically a light field
model.  I have typically worked on trap guns in the past.

I believe the problem is that the pivot for the hook is so sloppy that it
is allowed to swing out into the wood of the stock surrounding the
receiver.  When the gun is opened, this allows the sharp point of the hook
to gouge into the wood as the hammer is cocked.

Can anyone confirm/contradict the function of these hooks?  Anyone know how
long they have been making guns like this?  Anyone else have trouble?

I called the official factory (even though the factory is gone) authorized
shop that does 101 warranty work for the importer and they immediately knew
what I was talking about but refused to give me information regarding their
fix.  I consider this to be quite socially unacceptable behavior but they
were firm on their position.  The owner of the gun refuses to ship it for
repair and if I can not find any further information, I am going to remove
the hooks so the gun will function like any other 101 or whatever for that
matter.

-Scot



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu (rec.hunting moderator)
Subject: Finally
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:54:28 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Wisconsin's Gun deer season has finally arrived.  I am leaving this
afternoon and and will return sometime next week depending on when I
get my deer(s) (and depending on whether my wife who is 8 month
pregnant decides to go early).

So there will be no rec.hunting posts until sometime next week.

Tim Rigg (Moderator of rec.hunting) 


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From: tomfal@tr6.wes.army.mil (Thomas Faller)
Subject: Re: right handed/left eye dominant, any tips?, and other stuff
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:58:41 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Dave Basiji asks for help:

>I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
>I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:

And he goes on about a training program for his right eye.

I wonder if another tack could be taken; although side mount scopes are not
as popular as they once were, I still see some at gun shows. Why not hang
a scope off the left side, a little above the action, and use the left eye
anyway? It might be tougher to sight in (you might have to mount the scope
sideways), but I can't think of any reason (besides availability of mounting
hardware) why it wouldn't work.
Anybody have any experience here?


and from another letter:

>on the hitch on the back of the ATV.  I don't
>have one yet, but I was sold on them that day!  Put a small wench
>on it, and you have the ultimate in hunting vehicles.
                                                             ^^^^^

I've always felt that a small, light, handy wench livened up any outdoor
activity, and that she even helped when I had to use the winch on my ATV...

;-)  ;-)  ;-)

Tom Faller


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Subject: Re: right handed/left eye dominant, any tips?
Organization: Utah State University
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:46:43 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064535.7966@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
> 
> I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
> I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
> ??	1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
> 	2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
> 	3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.
> 
> Obviously, option 3 is preferred.  Hence, I am trying to retrain my
> eyes so that I will not be limited to the left-eye perspective.  I am
> putting a patch over my left eye for short periods of time (one hour)
> once or twice each day but have only been doing this for a few days.
> It is clear to me that my right eye is lazy since it's difficult to 
> focus and see clearly (there are some really interesting physiological
> effects when you can only see out of the subordinate eye), hence, I'm 
> trying not to overwork it until the focussing muscles are stronger.
> Has anyone done this successfully?  Am I going about it wrong? Any tips?
> 
> Thanks,
> David Basiji
> UW Bioengineering

	I know exactly where you're coming from.  Last year I hunted
with my Dad's old (very old) 30-06.  It had a right-hand action but the
stock was custom built for a lefty w/cheek rest.  After shooting it a
little, I became very proficient with the bolt, reaching over the top
of the gun.  I was shooting without a scope, which is why it worked.
A scope on top would have made it too hard to work the action.  I keep
on getting told to train my eye so I can shoot right handed, but I
fear it's not for me.  I can't even wink my left eye.  Appearantly you
can make the change, if you work at it long enough.  I've been
shooting left for so long now I can't even pull up a rifle right
handed.  Feels like I'm in a seizure or something.
	My solution was to buy a user-friendly Lever action.  That's a
gun anyone can shoot and feel comfortable, and it cost the same as a
left-bolt gun.  If switching your shooting eye works for you, I'd love
to hear about it.  Even though I don't intend to ever follow suit.
Good Luck.

	TC

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From: z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Subject: RE: RIGHT HANDED/LEFT EYE DOMINANT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:39:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

David,
I am in your situation also and I bought a left handed gun- rifle.
I can shoot right handed if needed but only with my rifle not
shotgun.Try a lever action or breach gun if you dont want a
left handed gun. I have shot about 10 deer with a right handed gun
shot left handed though so dont worry it can be done.
                                   Good luck

                                                       Dave Hanson



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu (rec.hunting moderator)
Subject: Finally
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:48:14 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Wisconsin's Gun deer season has finally arrived.  I am leaving this
afternoon and and will return sometime next week depending on when I
get my deer(s) (and depending on whether my wife who is 8 month
pregnant decides to go early).

So there will be no rec.hunting posts until sometime next week.

Tim Rigg (Moderator of rec.hunting) 


From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Group activity
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:29:58

 JM> Greetings from Arval!
 JM> I think a more important question is whether 
 JM> holding a published event is
 JM> fundamental to "playing the game".  Is there 
 JM> something anything wrong with
 JM> a branch where the members want no organized 
 JM> activities other than local
 JM> workshops, classes, and revels?  Evidently, some 
 My philosophy would be that if they don't hold events where the kingdom   is welcome and invited, then maybe they should just be a household.  
 Any of the 3 things you've listed could be held on a weekend and pub-
 lished, for instance.
    Hmmmm, perhaps you could think of it as the SCA's equivalent of  taxes.  
    I'm not sure I've articulated this very well.  I have a tendency to 
 accept things as they are.  Here's another thought on the subject:
  We all enjoy attending events.  So that the plate may be full of 
 events to attend, every official group should hold at least one event 
 that any who wish may attend.  
    There's another benefit to smaller groups holding events.  In every 
 group, there are those who don't travel.  Holding events will allow 
 those people to be exposed to the rest of the SCA, rather than just 
 their insular group.
     An underlying part of this assumption is that the event is the 
 culmination of SCA activities.  All our book work, all our classes, 
 produce the event, something to be shared with the rest of our group. 
 Perhaps that's the root of this -- if they're not holding events, then 
 they aren't really sharing their version of the SCA with the rest, and 
 that's a large part of the SCA to me -- sharing that which has been 
 acquired.
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Children in the SCA
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:24:27 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Gwenllian says:
> How about the next worst thing?  A specific award to give to kids... 
> Welcome to Ansteorra, where this Duchess got the idea we had to have 
> things for kids to do, and officers to promulgate having things for the 
> kids to do, and thus the Ministery of Children was birthed.......

Here, too.  The East has the Tyger's Cub, an award for children, and the 
Chancellor Minor.  Fortunately (in my opinion), the Chancellor Minor hasn't
actually tried to *do* much, so the extra bureaucracy hasn't been too bad.
But the office just changed hands and this will likely change.

Not content to settle for the Eastern award, AEthelmearc decided a few 
reigns in that it needed to have a children's award, too.  I think it's a 
stupid idea, and I think these things tend to propegate through imitation 
without anyone ever sitting down and deciding whether it's a good idea 
(after the  first one).  In five years' time it'll probably infect all 
the kingdoms.

I'm not anti-awards-for-kids -- but if the kid has done enough to rate
an AoA, give him the AoA.  (If he hasn't done enough to rate an AoA, why
do we automatically have to have a kingdom award for him anyway?  Kids
even moreso than adults, by necessity, play locally; the kingdom is probably
not the right vehicle for recognition in this case.)  We have too many 
specialized awards anyway, but at least the other ones have to do with 
areas of endeavor, not with factors beyond the recipients' control.  I
rank this right up there with the Trimarian award for female fighters,
women-only tourneys, and (hypothetical as far as I know) awards specifically
for minorities.

Hi Sappy.  What are you doing here?

Ellisif
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Carolus is looking for a fight...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:56:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that terror of the nets, that scourge
of the rialto, that boastful braggart, the soon-to-be-official-
pompous-ass of Montengarde, is headed to Mt Vernon Washington
over the christmas holidays.

One gentle (thanks aethelred!) has already mailed me the
fact that madrone practices on wednesdays.

Are there any other practices happening betwixt christmas
eve and New years Day?

Let me know where and when, and I'll try not to leave
you out of this winters

Whirlwind Frankish Sack!!!

Carolus Malvoix

Ps:   ;-)

-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: M22079@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Beginning of Renaissance
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:10:10 GMT

If one considers the renaissance to end with the reintroduction of Hellenic tho
ught back into Europe the renaissance starts in the 12th Century in Southern It
aly. See Haskins The Renaissance of the 12th Century (title may be slightly dif
ferent.  Things also get interesting at approximately the same time in Spain wi
th the Reconquista exposing the catholics to the moorish libraries.  The book c
opying that took place in Toledo etc was a major reintroduction of thought.  On
e could also tie the Renaissance to the foundings of the universities such as
Padua.  The art history names of the periods seem to have little to do with the
intellectual and cultural changes given the previous dates covered.
 
To get a better feel for the sweep of European History I recommend McCready's h
istorical atlases.  There was a lot of localized leading and laging in the proc
ess.  The SCA tends to like to mix concepts of multiple times and places. Indiv
idual cultures were different although coexistent.
 
                                - Ian of Gloucester
From: grimmund@edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Help, first time autocrat!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Nov18.021422.24183
Distribution: usa
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


Well met!
	You might want to get a copy of _Event Planning for Autocrats_, 
available from the Calontir Kingdom Seneschal's Office.  
	Cople things to think about...confirm the site, in writing.  
Decide on the feast menu *real* soon.  Decide if you want to serve  
the feast or let them serve themselves.  (Hint: much easier for 
them to serve themselves, requiring less staff for you.  More 
elegant to serve the feasters, though.)  
	Get an agenda established *real* soon.  Don't go overboard  on 
detail yet, but it helps to have some idea of what you're doing 
and in what sequence, and how much time you'll have for each 
particular segment of the event.
	Delegate jobs to responsible volunteers.  Troll, Security, 
Feast, and Fighting all get thei own job bosses, who are 
responsible for recruiting and organizing their own crews.  Get 
progress reports, but don't dog their every step-that's why you 
need to recruit people you trust.  Let them do their jobs; that 
way you'll hav etime to do yours.

This is my advice, based on how I ran my first event last June.  
It worked pretty well for us, although I didn't have a Troll boss 
and ended up doing that job myself <sigh>.

Grimmund
From: RS_NUSSLEBR@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Kim Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: OandA.db at meadow...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:17:28 GMT
Organization: Lurker, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alf.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Greetings all.  Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I need the services of
some kind soul.  I made a very valiant attempt to ftp the O&A database
last night.... after deleting absolutely everything the system will allow from
my account.  Unfortunately, the database is  just a tiny bit too large to
fit in my account.... and there doesn't seem to be much I can do about
this problem.  Could I prevail upon some kind soul who already has this
monster to contact me via e-mail, and maybe I can snail-mail a disk for
a zipped version to be sent back??? Please, someone??  <whimper, snivel,
cry....>

Thanks bunches,

Pagane
(Kim Williams
rs_nusslebr@alf.appstate.edu)

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From: pavao@cae.wisc.edu (Pavao Aaron)
Subject: Re: sinister fighters and others 
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:12:42 CST

In article <721733904snx@babel.DIALix.oz.au> del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson) writes:
>
>Well, if hitting people with sticks is anything like hitting balls
>with sticks, look at Cricketers.  About 40-50% of international level
>cricketers are lefties.  How does that compare with baseballers?
>
	Pretty accurately, in fact.  Is there a correlation, I wonder?  What
are the ratios in other sports?

-> Shandler

SCA: Shandler Greyfeathre
MKA: Aaron Pavao
NET: pavao@cae.wisc.edu
"I hate when I can't come up with something good for the signature quote."
From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: chocolate
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:56:17 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <721538534.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:
>
> BA>  chilis myself.  I threaten occasionally to serve hot chocolate at an 
> BA>  event........ period style, with said chi/jlis.  Sort of like liquid 
> BA>  mole' sauce, no?
> BA>     A possible source might be a book called _Foods_of_the_New_World_. 
>
> Gwynllian, if you ever DO decide to serve this, please include me as one  of the drinkers -- I've always been curious to try the original hot chocolate  recipes, but haven't known where to find anything more than a passing  reference to the drink.... and
> it sounds intriguing.
>
> - Vashti

Jeff Smith has a book called "The Frugal Gourmet Cooks American" and it 
contains the recipie for which you are looking...   :)

Tommy Piggie
From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: hot drinks
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:17:19 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.berkeley.edu

Greetings to all from Bjalfi Thordharson!

It seems to me that things have been a bit slow on the Rialto
of late, so I'd like to throw a new topic out and see how it
develops.  Namely, what are your favorite documentably period
hot drinks?  (I'm talking both alcoholic and non-alcoholic here.)
What are your favorite not-documentably-period (or even documentably-
not-period) hot drinks?  How well can they be transported to/prepared
at events?  Are they best prepared in individual servings or 
five-gallon batches?  Recipes, of course, would be appreciated.

(One thing I'm curious about is the idea of heated ale--I've
run across references to it in various places, none of them
primary sources.  Has anyone out there tried it, and does it
work?  I should think the stuff would go flat; but maybe that's
not a concern.)

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
From: msb@hoss.unl.edu (micheal bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Looking for name for octet!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:51:58 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoss.unl.edu

In <28407@castle.ed.ac.uk> mjo@castle.ed.ac.uk (Martyn J O Clark) writes:

*I'm trying to find a good (and original) name for a vocal octet I have
*started. We sing mainly Renaissance works, hence the posting to (soc).history.

*Ideally a latin-ish name (Italian?), but not TOO pretentious!

*Replies preferably by email to mjo@uk.ac.ed.castle

*thanks.

I'm forwarding this for a friend who (unfortunately) doesnot seem to have
access to the Rialto.  Please email any responses to either of us (I can
forward)

go in peace
--

    Micheal Bloomberg; University of Nebraska-Lincoln; msb@hoss.unl.edu
"Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises"
                                                         -Samuel Butler
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From: Tim.ONeill@english.utas.edu.au (Tim O'Neill)
Subject: Portable Sundials (Was Re: "period" wristwatches)
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:21:17 GMT

In article <BRANDON.92Nov13135040@gauss.math.brown.edu>, brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon) writes:

> What an incredibly cool idea!  Can you give us more information?  Plans?
> (if it wouldn't cut into your proposed business too much.)  References?
> Dates and places?  (Are they period for Charles V Spain?)
> 
> In particular, how does the scale on the ring work?  You line the dot up on
> the month, and the string points to the time?

The ring is etched on the inside with a calibrated scale, which has to be calculated
for your latitude beforehand. When the ring is held up to the sun the light shines
through the pinhole in the top of the ring and onto the appropriate hour 
calibration. Portable dials which can be used in any latitude (such as adjustable 
equinoctial dials)are also fairly easy to make and were widely used in the medieval
period. For details on how to calculate and construct these and many other dials 
check out Albert Waugh's 'Sundials: Theior Theory and Construction' (Dover
Books: New York, 1973). Mr Waugh gives both geometrical and mathmatical
calculations for dial construction, but he is no medievalist, so do some research to
see if the dial which takes your fancy was used in your period of interest.

Tim O'Neill
Tasmanian Devil
calcualte and make th
From: HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Enews for Chaucer fans
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:08:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92322.090823HZS
Organization: Penn State University

Yes folks, Chaucer has hit the net bigtime. Here's *another* Chacerian list -

>chaucer@unlinfo.unl.edu

>   Chaucernet is an unedited discussion group devoted to the works of
>   Geoffrey Chaucer and medieval English literature and culture in the
>   period 1100-1500.  The list is sponsored by the New Chaucer Society
>   and is open to all who are interested in Chaucer.

>   To join, send the following command to listserv@unlinfo.unl.edu:
>      subscribe chaucer <your name>

>   The address of the list is chaucer@unlinfo.unl.edu.


>   For more information, please contact Professor Bestul at the address
>   below.

>   Owner: Thomas Bestul   Email:  tbestul@crcvms.unl.edu
>                               or tbestul@unlvax1.bitnet
>          Department of English
>          University of Nebraska-Lincoln
>          Lincoln, NE 68588-0333
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