From: der2@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Rives)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and Ice Cube and stuff...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:35:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: der2@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Rives)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) says:

>der2@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Rives) writes:
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>zapp
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>>ICE CUBE-- The Predator
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>>The thing that I like about this one is how he manages to still
>>come up with original, imaginative samples. Some might ask, "What
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>Puke!
>It's not difficult to make a dope track by sampling alot of PE etc. beats.

OH REALLY! It's funny how that is not difficult at all to do, yet there are
not that many people who impress the rap world with both their beats and
their lyrics like Ice Cube does... There are not that many that impress me
like that either... and I'm an even harder critic.

>example, Wicked track, OK it's dope hard etc. but the beats all used before
>fuck him, I dont respect him for that.

"..the beats are all used before fuck him" 
Hmm.. How much of hip-hop beats have been "used before" ?  It's not that
the beats haven't been used before, it is that he (I.Cube) uses the beats
in a different way... In Wicked, I.Cube takes part of Breed's "Aint No Future
In Yo' Frontin", along with pieces of two PE cuts... This is his 3rd LP and
I must say that Cube uses the beats differently... 

>another stupid example: 'A good day' or whatever the title is, that track
>makes me puke when thinkin about how he used that 'Compton's most Wanted' sample.

Funny how in the credits, Cube said the two samples were 
(1) "Footsteps in the Dark" recorded by the Isley Bros. and
(2) "Come on Sexy Mama" recorded by the Moments...
CMW may have used it too but don't try to say it is ok for one to sample 
and not the other. CMW may have used it first, but Cube used it differently
and better.. give up the props G

>>is an 'original sample?' But there is skill in choosing what sample 
>>to use and how to use it. 

>Originality is to find a dope and (nearly atleast) unused sample.
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Come on, don't be hypocritical... Even if Cube uses SOME samples
of more popular songs, he uses them DIFFERENTLY!
You cannot deny that he is not using any skills. It takes imagination for
him to use the beats that are already out there, and make them "new".
So far, I'm impressed. 
 
>If you cannot make original music yourself, let someone else do it.
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This is a whole new discussion, I don't have time to get into this one..

Cube's CD is dope... If you don't want to give up any props for making
dope LP, cool.. If its sooo easy, then why aren't there more? Perhaps
you should negotiate with Priority and make your own..
Otherwise, give up the props...

>The hard Truth.
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There's really nothing to argue about here. In order to sample, true, its
not that hard, but to sample well, it takes skill and research. Don't try
to tell me that Cube doesn't spend time listening to lots of old records 
and stuff... 

That's enough on this one....

"And that's the truth, Ruth" oops.. another sample..

"Other foot; ok bend over, grab your ass, spread your cheeks
 and give me two good coughs...    <We Will Rock You sample>"
			Ice Cube -- The Predator
			  "When Will They Shoot?"
David E. Rives--
(der2@po.cwru.edu)