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From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:43:16 GMT

In article <22507@venera.isi.edu>, rogers@isi.edu (Craig Milo Rogers) writes:
> In article <51261@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
> >is the glass in skyscrapers.  There is no engineering that can be done
> >to guarantee that it will not come down in a quake.
> 
> 	Hah, a challenge!  Defining "guarantee" as "reasonable
> expectation" rather than "absolute certainty", well, surely something
> can be done.  How about wrapping each glass section in a stretchy but
> high ultimate tensil strength tape?  The idea is that the glass panels
> might pop out of their ordinary supports, but be prevented from
> falling by the tape.  Perhaps the "tape" could be continuously
> anchored to the glass at the edges, or there could be an internal
> "safety" plastic layer, like automobile glass, so the majority of a
> panel would remain supported even if there's cracking?

I don't know what sorts of solutions to this problem have been considered.
I imagine that taping wouldn't work unless it crossed most of the area of the
window.  The problem with that is maintainance - cleaning the windows becomes
very difficult, the tape would probably start looking pretty ratty in a few
years, and certainly the adhesive would degrade pretty quickly.  As for a
plastic layer, building glass is substantially different from auto glass
(much thicker for example) and probably experiences much greater stresses.
To me, it is conceivable that a plastic layer would actually weaken the window
rather than strengthen it.  It also would not prevent the entire window from
popping out.

I guess I shouldn't have said nothing can be done.  I really meant that I'm
not aware that the engineers have found really good solution to this problem.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Auroraquake
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 01 Oct 92  17:50:50

On <Oct 01 17:50> Michael Weiss writes:

 MW> Well, it looks like there has been yet another Auroraquake this morning. 
 
 MW> You know, the ones where it has all the indications of a P-wave, 
 MW> without any subsequent S-wave, and it travels across the Southland on 
 MW> Thursday mornings.

 MW> I was too tired to make note of the time...I think it was about 6:10am or 

 MW> so. -- 

Something rattled my windows real hard about that time.  I thought we were
having a strong quake but then noticed that the building wasn't really moving.
Wierd!
From: memcint@well.sf.ca.us (Margrit McIntosh)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Another FAILED PREDICTION
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:20:03 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Just wanted to point out that the Scallion predictions for Southern and Northern CA have flopped.  Here is the text of the predictions, posted a while back:

>>>An 8.3 (-/+.5) earthquake is being predicted to occur, between
>>>now and September 22, 1992, and epicentered within 100 miles of
>>>Palm Springs, California.  Lest you Northerners think you're
>>>home-free, there's a 7.8 (-/+.4) scheduled for Sonoma County,
>>>by September 28th.  And a 7.1 for San Diego, by October 14.
>>>
>>>This information comes from Gordon-Michael Scallion, a clair-
>>>voyant living quite safely in faraway New Hampshire.  Scallion
>>>publishes a newsletter, and therein has reportedly been quite
>>>acccurate in predicting the recent Florida hurricane, and other
>>>natural disturbances.

The only thing that's predictable about quakes is that these silly predictions can be counted upon to fail!

M. E. McIntosh
memcint@well.sf.ca.usa
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: winter@sequent.com (Robert Winter)
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:56:23 GMT

rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
<deleted stuff....>

>But if it pleases you to drag it down to your level, have at it. Go ahead,
>make jokes at the expense of people genuinely trying to be helpful. After
>all, a little laugh at someone else's expense is worth a few lives, right ?

Lighten up.

>-- richard

>-- 
>=====
>-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
>         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
>                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:54:05 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett) writes:

>rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:

>>Check out ferrocement geodesic domes. . . .  Their land-locked equivalents
>>are _very_ stable and essentially undestructable without power tools.

>	Yeah, but when the Big One (tm) comes, they roll downhill,
>crushing your neighbors' matchbox houses to flinders.  If you survive
>being bounced around inside the ferro-concrete ball, the lawyers will
>get you when  you crawl out -- if it doesn't wind up in  the water first.

Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about, and have a hard time
distinguishing between spheres and hemispheres.

If you don't have anything substantial to contribute, I formally invite
you to sit on your hands and refrain from generating misinformation.

Sorry, a little "(-:" doesn't save you from being regarded as a halfwit.

-- richard

-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:06:44 GMT
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <1992Sep28.210847.3802@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>Check out ferrocement geodesic domes. . . .  Their land-locked equivalents
>are _very_ stable and essentially undestructable without power tools.

	Yeah, but when the Big One (tm) comes, they roll downhill,
crushing your neighbors' matchbox houses to flinders.  If you survive
being bounced around inside the ferro-concrete ball, the lawyers will
get you when  you crawl out -- if it doesn't wind up in  the water first.
:-)


-- 
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Work: DSC/Optilink, 1310-C Redwood Wy, Petaluma CA 94954; 1-707-792-7253
Internet: samlb@optilink.com 		      UUCP: uunet!optilink!samlb
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:43:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) writes:

>>>rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:

>>>>Check out ferrocement geodesic domes. . . .  Their land-locked equivalents
>>>>are _very_ stable and essentially undestructable without power tools.

>>>	Yeah, but when the Big One (tm) comes, they roll downhill,
>>>crushing your neighbors' matchbox houses to flinders.  If you survive
>>>being bounced around inside the ferro-concrete ball, the lawyers will
>>>get you when  you crawl out -- if it doesn't wind up in  the water first.

>>Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about, and have a hard time
>>distinguishing between spheres and hemispheres.

				...

>>If you don't have anything substantial to contribute, I formally invite
>>you to sit on your hands and refrain from generating misinformation.

>>Sorry, a little "(-:" doesn't save you from being regarded as a halfwit.

>Waht's wrong today, Rich?  A bad wedgie?


Well, I've already explained this once privately. Guess I can do it again.

I regard this group as related to people who are concerned about saving
lifes and anticipating earthquake-related problems.

I've made a serious recommendation, in light of the absence of anything
better on the subject, as to a truly life-saving architecture.

A dimwit promptly belittles it. This one stupid comment could result in
a lot of people not giving geodesic architecture the analysis it deserves.
This could lead to people getting killed.

But if it pleases you to drag it down to your level, have at it. Go ahead,
make jokes at the expense of people genuinely trying to be helpful. After
all, a little laugh at someone else's expense is worth a few lives, right ?


-- richard

-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
From: rogers@isi.edu (Craig Milo Rogers)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:11:09 GMT
Reply-To: rogers@blips.isi.edu (Craig Milo Rogers)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

In article <51261@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
>Some hazards from buildings cannot be overcome, however.  One example
>is the glass in skyscrapers.  There is no engineering that can be done
>to guarantee that it will not come down in a quake.

	Hah, a challenge!  Defining "guarantee" as "reasonable
expectation" rather than "absolute certainty", well, surely something
can be done.  How about wrapping each glass section in a stretchy but
high ultimate tensil strength tape?  The idea is that the glass panels
might pop out of their ordinary supports, but be prevented from
falling by the tape.  Perhaps the "tape" could be continuously
anchored to the glass at the edges, or there could be an internal
"safety" plastic layer, like automobile glass, so the majority of a
panel would remain supported even if there's cracking?

					Craig Milo Rogers
From: rogers@isi.edu (Craig Milo Rogers)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:55:46 GMT
Reply-To: rogers@blips.isi.edu (Craig Milo Rogers)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute
Keywords: wizard, quake, predict, sky quakes

In article <8166@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> weiss@turing.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) \writes: 
>In article <24SEP199212563921@csa2.lbl.gov> sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHAS\E) writes: 
>> The entire Bay Bridge would have been in the Bay
>>if the last quake had lasted 25 seconds rather than 15. 
> 
>This statement makes me think that Guess #1 is more likely.  The reason for 
>the failure of that one section of the bridge is quite simple.
>
>When the quake hit, Oakland moved a bit east, pulling on the bridge.  The
>section that failed was designed to fail before the rest of the bridge, so as 
>to act as a "fuse" of sorts.  Because of this, that particular section of
>bridge rested on a lip.  Unfortunately, the lip was not quite long enough to
>hold the roadway after a "stretch" of the magnitude seen in the Loma Prieta
>quake.  Nonetheless, the bridge behaved as expected and predicted by the very
>engineers who designed it.

        An interesting statement, but Competing Against Time makes no
mention that this particular section was intentionally designed to
fail in the manner of a fuse.  Rather, after the California Bridge
Seismic Retrofit Program, the designers didn't expect it to fail at 
all for this type of earthquake.  Read pages 130-1.

>The rest of the bridge was never in danger of
>collapse, especially once that one section gave way.

        Not true at all.  The deck nearly fell at Pier E23, and the
pedestals themselves began to fail at Pier E17.  Read pages 147-8.

                                        Craig Milo Rogers
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:10:13 GMT

In article <51263@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.203756.10724@morrow.stanford.edu>, andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
>> In article <51261@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
>> >Regarding homes - this is one of the areas of least concern.  Wood frame
>
details about failure mode of houses on slopes due to foundation
complexity deleted.
>
>Some developers will look for anything to save a buck.  Surely, a full
>foundation would only cost a few thousand more bucks if included in
>the original design.  And any earthquake engineer would tell you that
>changing the foundation in the middle of the building is just asking
>for trouble.  It's good to hear that the codes work well enough that
>life-safety is maintained despite such bungling.

I think the point is that while an engineer might have spotted the flaw
due to first principles (it does seem pretty obvious, at least after
the fact) the houses in question were built to code.  The problem is
that not everything an engineer can model and predict is embodied in
the code.  Hence the need for code upgrades every few years.  Most
residential construction is not designed by engineers.

>> concrete and masonry structures.  You can build to survive an M>=8
>> earthquake, it just takes effort and money.  It also takes knowledge.
>> Just because we think we know what such earthquakes will produce doesn't
>> mean that we won't be surprised and just because the engineers think they

It has been pointed out to me that I am abusing the magnitude scale by
saying we can build to survive an M>=8 earthquake instead of using
accelerations.  The problem is that we don't know what the near-field
accelerations of an M>=8 are because we simply don't have enough
on-scale records from such events.  However, there have been buildings
to survive such events, even in the near-field.  Hence the statement
I made above.  Surviving an M>=8 event at a distance of several thousand
kilometers is of course rather easy. :-)

Andy
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Quake Day - Minus 4
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.203756.10724@morrow.stanford.edu>, andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
> In article <51261@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
> >Regarding homes - this is one of the areas of least concern.  Wood frame
> 
> In a seminar yesterday we learned of an interesting failure mode of wood
> frame houses in the Big Bear earthquake.  Some of the houses built on
> hillsides failed because the foundation had different stiffnesses
> depending on the position under the house.  At the top of the hill it
> was very stiff (basic concrete foundation) but further down the hill
> the houses were sitting on 6 foot high well braced cripple walls.  These
> walls flexed and focussed the stress on the stiffer shorter foundations.
> Here the mudsills were well attached to the foundation so the house
> actually ripped off the mudsill!  Of course, life-safety standards were
> still maintained but it does show that we have things to learn even about
> "standard" construction.

Some developers will look for anything to save a buck.  Surely, a full
foundation would only cost a few thousand more bucks if included in
the original design.  And any earthquake engineer would tell you that
changing the foundation in the middle of the building is just asking
for trouble.  It's good to hear that the codes work well enough that
life-safety is maintained despite such bungling.

> concrete and masonry structures.  You can build to survive an M>=8
> earthquake, it just takes effort and money.  It also takes knowledge.
> Just because we think we know what such earthquakes will produce doesn't
> mean that we won't be surprised and just because the engineers think they

True.  Hiroo Kanamori used to say that we really needed a big quake
to hit a modern urban area so we could learn how the tall buildings really
respond.  I think the science and engineering behind these structures
is sound, but until the real situation occurs, you can't know for certain.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
From: yeoel@soda.berkeley.edu (Engling Yeo)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Alpine car pull-out CD-player forsale
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:57:09 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: usa
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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Ford Taurus For Sale
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:28:27 GMT


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Subject: Process Serving Business
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 21:08:04 -0800

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From: sdg@wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta)
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Subject: L. Subramaniam Concert
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:28:39 GMT
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Dr. L. Subramaniam is performing at the Ambassador Auditorium
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Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Looking for...
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From: lindae@netcom.com
Subject: Roommate Needed In Sunnyvale
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:45:17 GMT



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Subject: IBM Proprinter forsale
From: sludi@zeus.calpoly.edu (Stephanie Ludi)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 02:26:58 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

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