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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Dogs in Pick Up Trucks AGAIN
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:25:08 GMT

In article <92285.113756U58664@uicvm.uic.edu> Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I know everyone on this board is a responsible pet owner, but I just have
>to voice my opinion about the _other_ idiot people who aren't.
>
>I was walking Beast this morning.  We live in Chicago, definately an
>'urban' area.  On a busy street, I saw a pick up truck FLY by.
>In the back bed was a large, black lab.  The dog was not
>restrained in any way at ALL.  He was roaming around the bed, and as
>they passed us, and I could tell the dog was trying to brace himself
>against the movement of the truck to keep his balance.  It was a large
>dog and the sides of the truck bed hardly topped his legs. Traffic
>was busy, and this guy was going WAY to fast, with or without a dog.

I know what you mean.  I remember seeing in a very non-urban area a 
**flat-bed** pick-up once with a black lab on the flat-bed!  I couldn't
believe it.  They were going ~50mph on a gravel road by my Grandpa's farm
and I though for sure that the poor dog would end up dead on the road.

I also wanted to comment about those who think that rural dogs should be
let free to roam around at their will.  I know that many, if not most,
farmers that I have met let their dogs roam all of the time and the dog may
be gone from home for many days at a time, but I fail to see why this is a 
good thing.  One farmer's dog died a gruesome death when his tail got caught 
in the PTO of a large tractor on another's farm (just visiting I guess) and 
it actually skinned him alive.  Many other farmers find their dogs on the
road killed because someone couldn't avoid them.  I really don't fathom the 
reason why they don't keep their dogs in some sort of controled environment.
Maybe someone out there can try to explain this to me.

				--Michael Buening
				internet:mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu

P.S. If you don't know what PTO means, it is the Power Take Off on the back
of a tractor that is used to connect the engine power to an implement being
pulled behind the tractor.  It turns many thousands of times per minute and
many a person as well as that poor dog have been killed by these (usually being
very lax about the #1 rule: turn it off before messing with it!)

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: AS.RAF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Rebecca Fenton)
Subject: RE: pitbulls
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:47:49 GMT

I have a 2 year old Dobie.  While HE is friendly, loving and very
people-oriented, I will not approach another Dobie without the
owner attached to the other end of the leash.  And I appreciate it
if others show the same respect for my animal.  While he shows total
submission, I know that a dog (any dog, mind you) will turn
aggressive if troubled, teased or worried.  My collie-spaniel mix (9
years) has shown that tendency.  Thank goodness it was toward
someone attempting to break into my house...


I'm not chicken, just cautious...   :)


Becky - Mom of Harley, Kalien, Surfer Bob, Angel and (temporarily)
        Scooter (while his Mom & Dad  are honeymooning)
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers or something else?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:35:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct15.011108.10601@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes...
>> If you have never trained a dog before, I would NOT recommend a Rottweiler as
>> a first dog to try. They are MUCH more of a challenge to train than the majority
>> of breeds. There are many more breeds more suitable to a first time dog owner.
>> You would be setting yourself up for a big disappointment and could ruin an
>> otherwise good dog. 
> 
>You think so, eh?  So what would be the most suitable and similar dog in your
>opinion?  I do like most everything I have heard about Rotts, and I think they
>are about the best-looking breed around.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a visit to
>the pound/Humane Society would be the best route?
> 
>			-Matt

I meant to suggest that a Rottweiler is not a good first dog to try to train.
There are many other breeds that are "softer" temperamented than a Rott and
would be good obedience prospects - good first dogs to practice your training
skills on. As for breeds, poodles, shelties, terriers in general, golden
retrievers, collies, are all "softer" types and therefore easier to discipline
than a Rottweiler. However, if you want a protective breed, I have found the
Doberman to be FAR easier to handle than a Rottweiler (and almost as handsome).

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:05:38 GMT
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes

In article <1aurtvINNf2b@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> 
	terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:

>There is at least one Sch III Lab in the US, so at least *some* Labs can be
>taught to bite anyway.  

Yeah -- but they bring back *mushed* waterfowl... :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:42:31 GMT

A lot of netters have written with amusing stories of strangers querying
them as to what breed their dog is.  I find it especially amusing that
people "in the know" will often say a dog is a Terrier mix.  What does 
that mean? With over 175 (I don't know the exact number) breeds of
Terriers in the world, both AKC and non-AKC recognized, "Terrier mix" 
is not really very descriptive.  Does it mean a good sized dog like
the Airdale or a small dog like a Norfolk, A wirey coat like a Scotty,
a smooth coat like a Manchester, or a soft coat like a Wheaton?
A massive dog like an Am Staff or a slender dog like a Border?  Maybe
it's a leggy dog like a Wire Fox or a short legged dog like
a Cairn. And the the list goes on.  The AKC Terrier group contains the 
largest number of breeds of the seven groups, but you very seldom hear 
anyone say my dog is a Non Sporting dog mix, or my dog is a Working dog mix.
I've never been able to figure this one out, does anyone have any ideas?

P.S. I often have people stop me to ask what my Border Terriers are or to
make a guess at it.  I take this as a compliment.  They usually just want
a chance to see them up close and maybe tickle those cute whiskers.  If
the people seem really interested I tell them a little about the breed, if
they just seem to want to pet the dogs or if I feel uncomfortable for some
reason, I say, "Oh just my lovable Mutts".   Half the time when I say Border
Terrier they hear Border Collie and that often gets me strange looks, alot
more people recognize Border Collies and they think I'm crazy.  The
favorite guess as to their breed that I've heard yet is Irish Wolf Hound
puppy :-).

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,news.answers
From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Re: dying
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:11:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


		Memories

Not the least hard thing to bear when they go from us, these
quiet friends, is that they carry away with them so many years
of our own lives.  Yet, if they find warmth therein, who would
begrudge them those years that they have so guarded?  And
whatever they take, be sure they have deserved.

					-- John Galsworthy
From: dwatson1@metz.une.edu.au (David Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:08:34 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia

In article <1992Oct7.184736.7469@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Chris Barnes writes:
>> [in Virginia in 1991] HSUS made legal manuevers in court to stop
>> the hunt on the grounds that hunting was cruel to the deer
>
>Thanks for the info.  A useful fact to know.
>
>-- Jon
>--
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
And you thought America had it's problems....

In New South Wales (Australia) There is a bill before parliment to ban the
docking of tails of all dogs. Needless to say the Canine Council is not real
impressed with the "humane Society".

David
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 3-Legged Frisbee dog!
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:55:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct8.154720.996@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke) writes:
>I sat at my terminal this morning debating.  On the one hand, 
>I figure no-one really cares about my dog's triumphs but me, and on the 
>other, many others have bragged over thier dogs here.
>	So....
>	Jake, my Border Collie, has only three legs.  He lost
>the right front one last year, trying to herd a car.  It hasn't
>affected hhim much - truth to tell, he hardly realizes it's missing.
a... good stuff deleted for space.
>	Last weekend, we attended another compitition, and Jake and I took
>Third place!  Not bad for the second time out of the barn, Hum?
>--

Bravo bravo ----- Woof Woof Woof!

Three leg dogs still have one leg advatage over all people!!!

If Jake loves it go for it!  Don't let the bastards get you down.
Sorry I can't remember how that saving goes in Latin.

------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee   4 mo. sable and white collie
Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:12021 nj.events:218
From: goc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (joy.a.gochman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,nj.events
Subject: Dog Day Afternoon
Keywords: Arts/Craft fair and Dog Demos
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:15:49 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ne
Organization: AT&T


				

			DOG DAY AFTERNOON

			When:Oct 18   10:00 AM -> 4:00 PM
			Where : Batsto NJ

	Held in conjunction with the "Country Living Fair".
	Demos in CGC,Obedience,Agility,Frisby and Canine Square Dancing

	For More Info call:609-859-0266




	
				joy gochman 
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help: Bedtime growling
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:07:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

Carol:  Try calling your dog off the couch instead of
physically moving her.  My little poodle used to do the same
thing and instead of instigating a fight, I tried a different
tack.  However, the bigger problem is that your dog is asserting
herself as alpha and "bossing" you around.  I know you'll get
lots of advice about how to regain top dog status.  In the
meantime, forget the alpha roll and try enticing your pup w/a
treat or sweet words.
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From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Foods...
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:41:03 GMT

Why do you say it's cheaper in the long-run to feed Sci.Diet, etc...if one can
find other brands (grocery or what-have-you) cheaper?   Just curious.


			-Matt
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:25:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <7367.2ad29f88@dcatla.uucp> isjrc@dcatla.uucp 
	(John R. Caruso) writes:
>
>			Teenage dogs:
>
>		Always excited as hell to see you

Except when they've joined the cat in a frenzy of shredding magazines,
leaving torn paper ALL OVER the house, in which case they try to blend
in with the floor when you get home ;-)

Take my word on this one.

Dave
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From: plee@panix.com (John Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Microchip implant require for all guard dogs in Ireland
Keywords: chip, implant, ireland
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:24:13 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Hello net people,

	I have been following rpd for a while.  I guess it is the bond 
between dogs and humans that makes this group so enjoyable.  At any rate
this is my first post.

	I was watching Beyond 2000 this past Thursday and they were talking
about a new dog law in Ireland.  All guard dogs are required to have a 
microchip implant.  It was passed after two boys ( under the age of 10 ) 
was attack by a guard dog.  The owner denied responsibility so nothing 
could be done to the owner, but the dog was destroyed.  The law was made
so dog owners would be more responsible to their dogs.  So far one dog
owner has been fined $800 ( american? ).  The humane soceity wanted to 
push the law further, making it mandatory for all dogs to have the implant.
Mean while over at US, the police department are pondering about the 
feasibility of implanting gang leader so they could keep a tab on inner
city violence.  ( This probably will never become a reality, since it is
a clear violation of human rights. )  Does anybody have more facts on 
this subject?

JPHL
plee@panix.com
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: Cruelty to animals in VA? Long, but important.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:49:50 GMT

kckbxr@next07wor.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) writes:

>I found this article in last Saturday's edition (10/10/92) of the  
>Washington Post.  It's a fairly long article, so I'll leave out some of  
>the non-essential quotes and stuff.  I thought it was an *interesting*  
>article and was curious to what the reaction was about this from  
>everybody.  Here goes:

>   " Bear Chasing Season Hounded by Allegations of Endangerment
>            (by D'Vera Cohn - Wash. Post staff writer)

>  Virginia's first legal bear chasing season, in which hunters with packs  
>of hounds were permitted to run down black bears without killing them,  

[deleted, long description of "sport" of bear chasing.]

This sort of ugliness is just about the farthest thing from sport that I
can think of.  There has to be other ways to exercise a dog.  I am absolutely
incredulous and indignant that something like this is legal.

I could sputter on for paragraphs stating my revulsion, and I won't because
you get the idea.

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
From: jap2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan A. Pildis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Help Me Select A Breed
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:32:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jap2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan A. Pildis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Could someone out there in net land help me select a breed for my
needs?  Here is my situation:

	- Apartment Living
	- Tight budget

I am looking for:
	1) small to medium when full-size
	2) easy to train
	3) easy on allergies
	4) good natured

I would appreciate any advise you could give.  If you can E_Mail me that 
would be the best, if you cannot just post a reply and I will chech
it every so often
###
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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:36:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct6.230756.5711@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>r hardin writes:
>> Well, for example, the humane societies around me specifically
>> do not train, and refuse even an offer of training,
>> because, as the head explained, it's a waste of time.
>
>Yep, that proves it!  Humane societies oppose training!
>
>-- Jon
>--
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  

Jon,

Would you please take this to the e-mail system.  I grow very tired of
seeing  multiple posts from you and the others taking part on this thread.
It seems to me like you are neither giving up on your views, so it
begins to be a waist of time trying to convince "the horse to budge when
it's happy were its standing".  

----------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee 4 mo. sable and white collie
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Sadie - Update (was: Re: GSD - Urgent Advice on Tumor Reques
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:55:39 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Helen J. Borek writes:
> I cannot put Sadie through the trauma of surgery...I could lose her in
> surgery, or she could hemorrhage, and she would suffer during recovery,
> especially with her arthritis and being mobile after surgery.  Although
> I want her with me at all costs, I will not sacrifice her well being at
> any cost.  I will not let her suffer for me.  I am agnoizing over my
> decision, because she is considered a good surgical candidate (her
> bloodwork came back fine and the vet said it could be done relatively
> easily),the prognosis with this cancer is not.


Some might critisize you for not performing 'heroic measures' to try and save
your dog, even if her odds were poorer. I just wanted to offer my support
'cos I would NOT be one to critisize you for that. I've sometimes thought
about what I would do in a similar situation with my sweeties, and I like to
think that I would have the strength to make the same decision that you
have...to do what you feel is truly best for the dog, even if it hurts you.
Best wishes...



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or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca         Until I met a man who had no feet.
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hunting Dog Stories Needed
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:49:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamvm1.1687A9842.CBARNES
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Oct8.144802.18142@news.unomaha.edu>
   massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey) writes:
 
>Oh, well, let me know if any prick your funny bone.  I hesitate taking the
>time and effort if they don't seem funny to someone else...you know,
>humor with dogs is much the same as with people's kids---sometime the
>you just had to be there!
>Dana Massey
 
 
I liked them!  You might want to cross-post them to rec.hunting as
well....I think those folks might get a kick out of them too...
 
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                        | 32 Field Trial Titles  (8 are national titles)
                        |  6 Confirmation Titles
                        |
                        |  These guys should be born today !
From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: A dog, mans best friends nightmare!
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:20:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


      			DOGS, MANS BEST FRIENDS NIGHTMARE! 

	I just love dogs.  They are mans best friend in dog form
	but alas, they are a mans best friends worst nightmare 
	if your human.  
        I just love going over to a friends house to enjoy their 
	animals love and friendship.  You know, Poo Poo slobering
	mouth and and rank smell all over my face.  The wonderful
	dog hair all over my clean suit.  Oh, isn't that cute!
	Fido loves our best friend.  Now Poopsy, stop jumping on
	morty, your getting mud and shit all over his pants.
	Sorry morty, he just loves you.  Oh thank you Lassie, I 
	just love it when you jerk off on my leg.  I thought you 
	fixed this dog.  Oh we did, but he just wants to love you.

	Christ!  If I wanted their love I'd make a warm coat out of
	them.

	Sorry folks, this is not intended to be a flame on dogs or dog
	lovers, but it is meant to be a start of a conversation concerning
	bad mannered dogs, and owners who think its cute.  ITS NOT!	
	I have lived with dogs thoughout my whole life, but I can not stand
	dogs who jump on me, lick me when I do not want it, hump off on me 
	and my cloths when it feels like it.  That is not the worst part, 
	after all their dogs.  Its the owners of these beasts I get peeved
	at.  When they think it is funny is when I get ready to send Pee Pee
	into dog orbit with the back of my hand.  

	So, let the flaming begin!

Morty
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help: Bedtime growling
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:15:29 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct9.191431.18897@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson) writes:
>
>Hi:  
>
>It seems we have a problem that is getting worse
>and I just want to make sure we correct it the
>best way.....So comments from the networld are
>appreciated.
>
>Anyway, our dog typically falls asleep on the couch
>before my bedtime (I'm watching TV on the couch).  We try to get her up
>to move her (by picking her up.  I typically reach
>in and touch her tummy area) and she GROWLS at us.  More recently,
>she's been trying to SNAP at us also.

I'm no expert, but this sounds like (very) unacceptably dominant behavior
to me.

Put a leash on her, let her fall asleep, then use the leash to get her off.
Your hands are safe, she does what you want.

Also it sounds like you need to be reminding this dog who is the boss.
Long downs.  Etc.

Good luck!

Don't just let this go!!