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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:12:52 -0500
From:         "Ann M. Hathcock" <ALI00AMH@UNCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Amy Grant; was -- Re: Unanswered Prayer

Jesse,
You made a good point that has to do with discernment.  We as Christians need
to be aware of why we make the choices we make whether it is music, etc.
It matters to me what purpose an artist wishes to gain by what they are doing.
We are accountable to God first but we are then accountable to our fellow
brothers and sisters in Christ.  Words like accountability and responsiblity
are strong foundations for any true ministry.  If they are to be held as a
role model, they have to realize that what they do affect many lives.  It
is an awesome responsibility.  In my opinion, Amy Grant would have made things
easier if she would have just been in video with her baby if she was going to
sing about her baby.  Is that too much to ask?  She could have a made a
tremendous statement for the family!

ANN H.
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From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      The Late Great Planet Earth - Video

Dear Christia,
I would like to thank all of you have responded so far. After reading
the post, I am even more determined to find these movies for myself my
co-worker and the youth of our church. If viewing these films helps
even one of the young people turn to Christ, to me, the search will have
been well worth it. In todays society, I personally feel that Satan has
pulled out all of the stop signs and he his moving full force within the
T.V & Music industry, our schools and yes even within some churches.
This is not a game. Hardly anything shock the youth that I deal with.
Most of them  feel that they have heard and seen it all. Anyway, thanks
again and please pray for the youth at my church.
Your sister in Christ, Yvette

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst from Dallas - Texas
"I know worse things about myself that you will ever say about me." Anon
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From:         "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: A Hindu View of Amy Grant

Although Amy Grant thinks and sells herself as being Christian, we know
according to her fruit, (music, statements made, lifestyle, etc), that she is
not like Jesus, and that is the test.
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:39:26 -0700
From:         "Glenn Radinsky S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu"
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Subject:      prayer

                      January 10, 1993

Dear All:

     There has been a bit of discussion on prayer lately,
and I thought that I might as well write about my approach
to it.  I am not trying to sell this approach as a cure-all,
and it is probably far from perfect--and maybe I will learn
something from the responses.

     The usual method I use for prayer is to get somewhere
where I can be alone and undisturbed.  Most of the people
who do run across me would probably think I am talking to
myself, but the Lord and I know better.  Once I am alone, I
usually feel free to speak my mind to the Lord.  I figure
that since He is aware of the thoughts that are going
through my head, it would be pointless of me to try to hide
them from him.  If nothing else, I consider it a kind of
confession.  This releases a great deal of emotional steam,
and at the end of these walks I am usually quite a bit more
objective about things than I was when I started.

     I usually try to take a list of CHRISTIA (and other)
things to pray about along with me.  But since I usually
take these walks at night, I usually end up praying about
them when I get back to my apartment.  But they do get
prayed for.

     Well, that is pretty much my approach.  Nothing very
glamorous or sophisticated, just my status reports to the
Lord.  They have played a very important role in keeping me
sane, and I expect this role to increase in the future.

                         God Bless,



                       Glenn Radinsky
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:36:47 CST
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Contraceptives...

Ok, gang....I might open a can of worms here, but lately I've seen several
posts on Contraceptives/birth Control.
I know someone who had a situation that warranted she be put "on the pill".
She didn't "sleep around", or anything like THAT, Lord no, she's not
that type, and never will be, however, her mom saw a need concerning a more
important reason than preventing pregnancy.  This 18-year old kid had
an irregular monthly cycle, and during her "week of heck", she'd fly off
the handle without a moment's notice.  Just -say things she shouldn't have
said-.  After consulting a doctor, the girl and her mom decided that the
"Pill" would help relieve some of the monthly "uncertainty" that comes
with an irregular cycle.  Believe me, when you are in that situation,
things can get rather tough to handle.  In this sense, contraceptives
helped this person know what to expect each month, because they regulated
her bodily functions to an extent where she could actually know what was
goin' on and when she could expect things to -well, go haywire for a week...-
If my daughter has the same problem, I'll do the same thing this young
lady's mom did....try to help her out.

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:28:03 CST
From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Living Epistles Tees...
              at Jan 11, 93 3:01 pm

>
> This post was titled "being a faithful witness".  Russ was bold to
> confront the person who 'condemned' him for wearing that shirt.  I have two
> friends who have the shirt, and I have another "Living Epistles" Tee
> that reads 'Even in a New Age, the truth remains crystal clear"
> Then the scripture reference to Acts 4:12 is on the bottom.  The back
> reads "There are two things sure in this life"
>  1. there's only one God
>  2. You're not him
> This shirt had gotten some very cool reviews from people I went to class
> with.
> Maybe if Russ will continue to spread the Word, more folks will come to
> know HIM.  Hang in there, everyone....especially Russ.
> Theresa

I haven't heard of or seen this shirt, but it sounds GREAT!! (I might just
have to ask my wife to get me this for my birthday....)

By the way, I do have the "Go Against The Flow" t-shirt that I'm still
"allowed" to wear to work.  I plan on adding to my collection once the
weather warms up (right now it's 25 with a wind-chill of 9 in Madison -- for
those of you who don't know, I'm a Meteorologist  :-).  Just the other day
I was at the bookstore and noticed that they also make coffee mugs with the
"Lord's Gym" picture on them... who knows maybe in a few weeks I won't be able
to drink my tea from a politically incorrect mug...

Thanks Theresa!
>
>  * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
>
Russ Neumeier


Person 1: "Hey, you got salt on my lard!"
Person 2: "Well, you just go lard in my salt!!"
Together:  "Hey..........BACON!"
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:24:17 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Christmas
              7 Jan 1993 20:07:43 GMT from <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>

Ian W.,

If the fact that Christmas happens to fall on the same place on the calendar
as an ancient pagan celebration bothers you, why not just pick another day
of the year to celebrate Jesus' birth?  In any case, as to whether or not
it is a sin to celebrate Christmas at the end of December, I would refer
you to Rom. 14:5:

    One man esteems one day as better than another, while
    another man esteems all days alike.  Let every one be
    fully convinced in his own mind.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:06:24 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:PRAYER REQEUST-MARK

Dear Mark,

I just want you to know that the prayer warriors on Christia will be holding
up your father in prayer and know that by Jesus' stripes he is healed -
Praise the Lord!!!  I also praise the Lord for what He has done for your
father already.  I can tell from your post that he is a wonderful person.
It comes through.

Dear Heavenly Father, Abba Father,
We praise You and thank You for all Your many blessings.  Someone to love
You lend to us.  We thank You for Mark's Dad and ask that You completely
heal him from the top of his head to the soles of his feet.  We will be
faithful to give You all the glory, honor, and praise in Jesus Name.  We
ask that you continue to use Mark to strengthen and minister to his father.
Give his family strenth and Your love, joy, and peace through this time.
Looking for a marvelous testimony in Jesus Name, Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:49:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Unanswered prayer.

In romans 8:26, Paul says that we do not know "the what" to pray for, so
the Spirit intercedes for us with, what I would call, the language of
heaven.

Paul is speaking to saved, elect individuals here, so this is in that
context only.  I would say that God answers the prayers that the Spirit
presents to Him, and He answers them as the Spirit has translated them, not
as we have spoken / thought them.  Realize that what ends up being
presented to God may be vastly different from what left our lips, or
thoughts.

We simply do not know what to pray for, nor how to pray for it, so the Holy
Spirit must assist us.  I am absolutely sure God hears every prayer of a
saint.  How He responds to that prayer is His business, not ours.  We may
ask for money to pay the rent, the Spirit may translate that to say we need
to lose our home so we are free to move to a place where God can use us,
anything can happen.

Prayer is neat stuff because we don't know what is happening on the other
end, sort of a mystery, and no matter what happens, we know that "all
things work together for them who love God and are called according to His
purpose."

Dan Graham
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:38:54 CST
From:         Renee Autry <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer request follow-up

Brenda,

Just wondering if the cataracts on Sarah's eyes are better. . .?  I apologize
if you have already posted this to the list (they have been installing a new
system and I have "lost" a good bit of mail the past few months )

                                            Renee Autry (SRAutry@Samford)
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:10:46 -0500
From:         Cindy Lou Who <nlt@GBORO.ROWAN.EDU>
Subject:      Why the Grinch can't steal Christmas

Ian Wylie writes:

> I dont want to cause a flame, but I get the distinct impression after reading
> Steve Creps article that some of you believe and/or celebrate Christmas.
>
> The question is did you not know that Christmas has nothing to do with
> Christ, but is based on pagan festivities.
>
> Before I go into the facts and history, some answers would be appreciated.

I will give you an answer from Dr. Seuss.  In his children's book _ How the
Grinch Stole Christmas _ , the Grinch looks down on all the Whos living in
Whoville and decides to steal Christmas from them.  So he sneaks into their
houses on Christmas Eve, while they're sleeping, and he steals their trees
and decorations, their presents, and their food for the next day's feast.
Then he sneaks back home and watches to see what will happen.  The next
morning -- to his surprise, he hears singing, the same singing that the
Whos always do on Christmas morning.  Christmas has come without any of the
decorations or presents or food, because Christmas was never really about
those things to begin with.

The Incarnation is at the center of my Christian faith.  It astounds me and
moves me more than any of the other Mysteries of the faith, more than even
the Resurrection or the Atonement.  God becomes a part of his own creation,
lives alongside us, suffers what we suffer -- it is an impossibly extravagant
act of love that leaves me speechless.

I will celebrate the Incarnation.  I will join the angels in their song, and I
will bow before our Lord with the shepherds and the Magi.  If you take away
the tree and the lights and the plum pudding, I will still go to church on
Christmas Eve to celebrate the Lord's coming; and if you close the doors of
the church against me, then I will sing hymns in the streets or in the
privacy of my heart.  The secular festivities give us a way to express our
joy, but they are not the heart of the Feast of the Incarnation.
_____________________________________________________________________________

Veiled in flesh the Godhead see;              Nancy Tinkham
Hail the incarnate Deity,                     nlt@gboro.rowan.edu
Pleased as man with men to dwell,
Jesus, our Emmanuel.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:58:34 -0600
From:         Tom Shelton 314 694-3831 <tjshel@MAPLE.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject:      RE: Venturing into full-time motherhood

Julie,

    I will pray that God will bless your commitment to stay at home with your
children, as He has for us.  Anyone who doesn't think that staying home with
the kids is not a job should try it for a week.  I did it for three months
(seemed like three years) while I was in between jobs.  I have the utmost
respect for anyone who will stay home and nurture the next generation.

Tom Shelton

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:53:25 CST
From: Roger Deschner <U52983@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Alas, TEMPORARY really means just that - anything you do between it
and the next procedure has no effect beyond that statistical procedure.
Variables created are gone, just as you have discovered.

A bypass you might find more elegant is the DO IF structure, and if
any of your students have taken any programming classes, they will
probably be comfortable with it.

Instead of
TEMPORARY
SELECT IF (moon = 'GREEN CHEESE')
COMPUTE answer = 42

why not use
DO IF (moon = 'GREEN CHEESE')
COMPUTE answer = 42
END IF
TEMPORARY
SELECT IF...

and your:

>   if (sex eq 1) scale = age * grade
>   if (sex eq 2) scale = age * grade * 5
>   if (sex eq 3) scale = age * grade * 9

would be better as:

do if (sex eq 1)
.  compute scale = age * grade
else if (sex eq 2)
.  compute scale = age * grade * 5
else if (sex eq 3)
.  compute scale = age * grade * 9
end if

These things can be nested, etc., and by using the .(period) in column 1
to indent your logic, it really is like programming.
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I am still receiving messages about unreachable users. Anyone else?
Is anything being done to rectify the situation?

Paul Watters
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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
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Subject: Re: manova interpretation
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:55:06 GMT
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In article <C0CvIA.BHy@spss.com> nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.135743.18937@polaris.utu.fi> Timo Toivonen <ttoivonen@abo.fi> writes:
>>
>>How to interprete MANOVA
>>
>>Manova gives interaction parameters in a known order. What is this order.
>>Is it so that the first parameter is the value of effect when both (or
>>more) variables are in the first category. But the second parameter? Is
>>it so that the first mentioned  variable (for example, if variable names
>>are USOS and HESU  and the interaction term USOS BY HESU) is still in the
>>first category, but the second one moves to the second category or vice
>>versa.
>
>The interaction contrasts are created by elementwise multiplication of
>the main effect parameters involved. The incrementing of subscripts
>runs fastest on the last factor listed, so that if A and B are the factors,
>then AB(1,1) is a contrast with coefficients equal (or proportional) to
>the product of those for the first contrasts of A and B. The next parameter
>for the interaction would be AB(1,2), then on to AB(i,j-1), then back to
>AB(2,1) up to AB(2,j-1), etc., up to AB(i-1,j-1). The interaction parameters
>created by the default deviation contrasts are generally not of supreme
>usefulness. Often it certain forms of interaction are postulated, you'll
>have to do one of two things: figure out what kind of main effect contrasts
>will produce the desired particular interaction contrasts, or simply lay
>the design out as a big oneway and specify all the contrasts in the model
>and partition the pieces if you want to get the factor effects in addition
>to the individual 1 df contrasts.

Oops, sorry, there's a typo here. The line above that reads:

>for the interaction would be AB(1,2), then on to AB(i,j-1), then back to

should read:

>for the interaction would be AB(1,2), then on to AB(1,j-1), then back to
                                                     
the difference being the 1 for the i.

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Subject:      Random Number Generation
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I am using SPSS v4.0 on VAX/VMS platform and I want to generate
a set of random values for several variables, and in certain
ranges. Does SPSS cater for this, and if so, what is the command?
Thanks in advance.

Paul Watters

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Date: 5 Jan 93 23:57:23 GMT
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In article <01GT5QIQ4AJM8WWCXF@cc.newcastle.edu.au> Paul A Watters <C9112151@CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU> writes:
>I am using SPSS v4.0 on VAX/VMS platform and I want to generate
>a set of random values for several variables, and in certain
>ranges. Does SPSS cater for this, and if so, what is the command?
>Thanks in advance.

The COMPUTE command can produce pseudo-random numbers "drawn" from uniform,
or normal distributions. Check the manual under COMPUTE for more details.

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From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea)
Subject: select and temporary
Summary: how to create a variable while temporary
Keywords: temporary select if cases
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:50:49 GMT

Every once i a while i have a user who wants to create a new variable
based on some selection criteria. They tend to use a combination of
TEMPORARY and SELECT but it seems that a new variable created while
the temporary is in effect is not visible after the temporary.

Is there a way around this side effect of the temporary ?

For simple cases i show them to just do this:
   if (sex eq 1) scale = age * grade
   if (sex eq 2) scale = age * grade * 5
   if (sex eq 3) scale = age * grade * 9

or something like that {i try to take the view of an spss job as a
program, i'm a programmer by trade, not a statistician}

but for more complex cases, a RELIABILITY for instance, i can't see how
to do it.

John Andrea
VAX System Manager
St.F.X.Univ.
andrea@essex.stfx.ca