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From: marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied)
Subject: Re: Sadam
Organization: ASCII Corp. Tokyo, Japan
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:25:39 GMT

In article <1690@yetti.UUCP> aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:


>That is a very hypothetical question. However, my answer is 
>I WILL NOT KILL THEM unelss there is something mysterious about being
>in power that completely ruin people mind and turn them into power hungary
>murderers.

	What would you do if someone is trying to kill you? 
	

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	M a r c o s    B a c h i r    M u b a i e d
From: mmokhtar@attmail.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Fifth air strike in eight days
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:40:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Assalamu `alaykum,

  US airplanes carried a raid on Iraq for the fifth time in eight days. The
reason for this strike was that US planes flying over northern Iraq detected
that they were being tracked by radar.

  "Any excuse will serve a tyrant."


Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar
From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddam
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:32:58 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

>>   As if I need excuses to flame whoever the hell I damned well wanted
>>to flame. Do you call this a flame? If I actually flamed you probably
>>you would accuse me of physical violence against women!

>> Nabeel.


>I seriously believe that you need good psychiatric help.  I honestly do
>not mean this as an insult, but there is definitely something not right
>with the way that you function, Nabeel.

>Salamtak -

>Anisa

Is that relevant to the discussion about Saddam and the gulf crisis ?

I was trying to find some good analysis to the whole situation, but
unfortunately the whole talk was concluded by those final statements,
given above. Was there a need for all that ?  Is it common among 
Arabs that they respond and react when it is not needed, while they stay
dumb, blind and deaf when they are required to respond. 

25:63  And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk 
 on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address 
 them, they say: Peace.
                               The Ultimate Wisdom (Quran).
-- 
Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
Tel: office: +353-1-7021524,  Home: +353-1-937402.
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:30:21 GMT

In article <5030@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.175810.6422@tfs.com> samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias) writes:
>>In article <1k3q3aINN36c@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:
>>
>>>I don't read any Iraqi papers nor I know of the name of any.
>>>I only use *COMMON* sense.
>
>>I thank god that there are still some arab/muslims who still do use
>>*COMMON* sense.
>
>
>And it seems very clear that you are NOT one of them!
>
>Anisa
>

Remember,bush when he had no argument about issues,he started mud
slinging.















P.S.:
-----
The above reflects my opinions only,they by no means reflect those of
my employer.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: khater@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Issam Abu-Khater)
Subject: Boycotting American Cars
Keywords: Boycott, Cars
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:07:15 GMT

Salam to All,
I am forwarding this call by Prof. M. I. Elmasry hopping that it will
be of benifit for you:
 
Please Circulate......
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Forwarded message:
> From elmasry Tue Jan 26 13:46:45 1993
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:46:45 -0500
> From: "M.I. Elmasry" <elmasry>
> Message-Id: <9301261846.AA12582@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>
> To: khater
> Subject: Boycott American Cars 
> 
>               D O  N O T  B U Y  A M E R I C A N  C A R S
> 
>               PROTEST U.S. DOUBLE-STANDARD FOREIGN POLICY
> 
> U.S. double-standard foreign policy in dealing with international problems is 
> so unfair that it is a real threat to world peace. 
> 
> The U.S. is now the only superpower and it is manipulating the U.N. to its 
> advantage. Now there are two types of U.N. resolutions: ones which are 
> enforceable by the U.S. military (eg. regarding Iraq and Libya) and the others 
> which are not (eg regarding Serbia and Israel). 
> 
> It is the time for peace loving people to protest this dangerous U.S. 
> double-standard foreign policy by boycotting American products, especially
> big-ticket items, eg. American cars. This will send the message to Washington
> loud and clear. 
> 
> This is not a new approach to register your protest. To this day, most 
> Japanese don't buy American cars because they still remember Heroshima and
> most Jews don't buy German cars because they still remember the Holocaust. 
> 
>                   L E T  U S  N O T  F O R G E T  ! ! 
> 
>               D O  N O T  B U Y  A M E R I C A N  C A R S 
> 
> 

..........................End Forwarded Messege.........................
Issam.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Thank you Bashar
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:35:50 GMT

In article <1k4vgeINNrf9@uwm.edu>, bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bashar_Abouseido) writes:
|> 
|> Also I would say to Aziz "please don't reply to this subject again".
|> Iam a muslim and I respect your believes and I respect all christian
|> fellows. I've beening living in a society where muslims are the majority
|> and we have christian families too, every thing was fine 
|> and we have never experienced any problem with each other.

I do not want to make this a new topic, rather, it is to inforce your message.
There has never been a problem with Christians and Muslims in the past and
there should never be one in the future. Where problems do arise is when a
fanatical approach is considered on both sides. A fanatical approach that
lacks any form of reasoning. Infact, there is no reason that even Jews can
live in harmony when reasoning is applied.

Indeed, if one to remove the Godly aspect and the mode of revelation of all
the three Middle Eastern religions, you will find the same message. The
differences are a result of the environmemt and era where these religions
laid their seeds.

Please no more unfruitful discussions.
                                   
|> 
|> Well, You (Ishaq) have to know that not everything in the muslims' mind 
|> is in the quran.

Thank you for pointing this out. Where were you in between these heated
discussions.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: To Mr. Faris
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:17:18 GMT

Mr. Faris, as a fellow Christian I would like to inform you that you
have gone far beyond tolerable limits in your latest nonsense.

I have had absolutely enough of this.

I mean, it is really too much.

Don't you know anything about the teachings of Jesus on civility and
decency. Don't call yourself a Christian if you will behave in this
manner.

One turns to s.c.a, s.c.l, and Egypt Net and all we have is this
kind of trash bouncing back and forth.

Mr. Faris, I have had more than enough.

Irhamouna Ba'aa!!!!!

PLEASE, with all respect to your person, if you cannot conduct yourself
in a decent fashion then at least do not waste our time. If you feel
and uncontrolable urge to continue then please consider e-mail. I think
that would be ideal. You and Mr. Hamza can keep each other company but please
let the rest of us in peace!!!!!

John Absood

P.S. I am very sorry to post this message. I realize that it has nothing
     to do with s.c.a but I have really lost my patience.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Summary: Sorry but no prize
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:17:07 GMT
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1993Jan23.223456.14338@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

>Askew makes one crucial implication, which makes his entire argument
>seem reasonable but which is false.

If you really like Alan you can use my first name.

>He implies that there is an equivalency between the Jews who were
>kicked out of their homes by the Jordanians and the Arabs who
>voluntarily left their homes to make their expected destruction of
>Israel easier.

Sorry to disappoint you but as we both know after much personal abuse
from you, you have precisely zero evidence of this absurd claim. NOTHING
Not one shred of evidence have you managed to produce in over half a year.
All you have (or at least mailed me about) is *one* anonymous second hand
inaccurate article from someone who wasn't even there (that's the now
infamous Economist article for anyone else reading this) Hearsay at best,
lying propaganda more likely. As for the Arabs leaving their homes, in
February 1947 not even you could seriously suggest that the Arabs were
planning invasion. Besides which since when did the advice of the Syrians
(or whoever) become law for the Palestinian Arabs - they couldn't stop
them selling land. Also the whole concept of making invasion easier is
just so stupid it is beyond belief, an army *benefits* from a friendly
local population!

>The Jews in the sections of Jerusalem taken over by the Arabs were
>kicked out of their homes.  The Arabs who left their homes, with
>precious few exceptions, left voluntarily of their own free will.

Demonstrate that just one Arab left his home in Jerusalem of his own
free will. They have all said repeatedly that they were expelled. Even
Ben Gurion suggests so when he says that they left _due_to_the_efforts_
of_the_Army or didn't you read the quote?

>There is no equivalency there.  When one voluntarily abandons
>property, there is no obligation to compensate him or her for it.

There *is* equivalency here which if you were any more of a human being
you would recognise. It is your hatred and malice that blinds you to the
truth Alan. I just feel sorry for you. The evidence is all there, if you
care to read Ben Gurion (or Teveth or anyone else)


Joseph Askew


-- 
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
From: aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sadam
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:32:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1687
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1jnv0bINNfgk@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:

>We cannot judge people's heart most of the time except
>from their behavior.  I saw Saddam pray on TV, can you
>Anisa say that he's not , at that praying point, bowing
>to Allah?  Can you say he's not really praying for Him?
>No you shouldn't.

I am not Anisa, but I really couldn't let this goes by without answering it.

Yes, I have seen him praying on (for ?) T.V. But

Have you seen him fighting Iran for 8 years killing many Moslems on
both sides and wasting Billions of dollars ?

Have you seen him occupying Kuwait (undoubltly another Moslem country,
and although I haven't seen the Emir of Kuwait praying on T.V. I am
pretty sure that he did it more than once) ?

Have seen seen him killing Moslems in Northern and Southern Iraq ?

Have you seen him not giving a damn about his soliders in the Gulf war ?

I know that in times like this some Moslems are desperately trying to
cling to any one who might resemble a Moslem Leader, But Sadam ... Please


>jle

BTW, he continued to kill Moslems in Northern and Southern Iraq after
he prayed on T.V.

--Mokhtar Aboelaze   aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca
From: mwd@cray.com (Mark Dalton)
Subject: Re: U.S. "spokesman"
Originator: mwd@snoid
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:36:23 CST

In response to:
Here I really beg for some opinions of  americans who support
this neo-colonialism, I just would like to know how the
clear facts can  be twisted. . . .
_____________________________________________________________

I cannot say I support the neo-colonialism, because I don't.

Personally I completely disagree with their approach to
the "Gulf War", and now this.  It really makes me embarrased
to be an American.
	The facts are not always twisted, they are sometimes
outright lies.  A certain previous president of the U.S. exemplified
that to me.  By comparing Kuwait to "a harmless puppy dog"

But to answer your question:
The facts in our media in the U.S. are commonly twisted, as
is are in medias across the world.  The point is that they
are trying to do a number of things:

1. Justify their actions.
	In the U.S.  I feel:
	- to gain a foot hold in the Arab Nations
	- To maintain access to major oil supplies
	- Justify military spending to the U.S. citizens.
	- To hopefully spark the economy.
2. Gain support of the country.
	- The false or twisted "news" is used to get citizens up
	  in arms, support the military in whay I think is typically
	  blind ignorance.
	- The country would fight against the war often if they actually
	  believed or knew we where doing things out of aggression
	  or perhaps (I would like to think) out of gread.
3. Boost morale.
	- To see that we are doing something "good for the world"
	  makes many people happy.
	  (Much more than we went and blasted some people, for no
	   more reason then to show how "tough" we are).
	   (which a certain portion of the population would like
	    a seem to associate these people with police, basically
	    people on power trips).


___________________________________________________________________
These opinions are my own and DO NOT necessarily reflect those of my
company.
-- 
Mark Dalton
Cray Research, Inc.
Eagan, MN 55121
Internet: mwd@cray.com
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:34:56 GMT

Askew makes one crucial implication, which makes his entire argument
seem reasonable but which is false.

He implies that there is an equivalency between the Jews who were
kicked out of their homes by the Jordanians and the Arabs who
voluntarily left their homes to make their expected destruction of
Israel easier.

The Jews in the sections of Jerusalem taken over by the Arabs were
kicked out of their homes.  The Arabs who left their homes, with
precious few exceptions, left voluntarily of their own free will.

There is no equivalency there.  When one voluntarily abandons
property, there is no obligation to compensate him or her for it.
-- 
Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
From: oueichek@gram (Ibaa Oueichek)
Subject: Re: New Word Processor
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:25:27 GMT

Ziad K. Cheiban (ziad@eng.umd.edu) wrote:
: 
: There is a review in the latest (Feb) Byte magazine of Multi-Lingual Scholar,
: a new word processor. The review starts on pg. 219, here is a bare minimum of
: info.
 Do you have an idea about the publisher and his location ?.
: Price: $695.00     a bit steep if you ask me!
 Ouch !!!!.

: OS: DOS          stupid choice if you ask me!
 Beurk !!!.

: Comes with fonts for 6(?) languages including arabic and a program to create
: your own fonts. Additional languages $50.00 there are 63 total. One of them
: is Syriac (a dead language!).
  Well, Syriac is not completely "dead". It's still used but in very few places,
i've met several people who speak it as their main language.  
: The program is WYSIWIG unlike TeX and derivatives. You can use 10 languages
: on the same page and 16 different sizes. 

--
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | IMAG, INPG.
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
					

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: rtrisack@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Risack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sadam
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:24 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui01b.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:

>	May Allay illuminate Sadam Hussein to do the right thing
Oh Yeah. He has to go !!!

>	against those who kill for oil.Insha'Allah! The opressor
>	will get what they deserve! 
No difference: WHEN DOES HE WANT TO GO ??!!
>	It is time to the Arab and Islamic world get united! 

With Saddam as leader?? For making Saudi Arabia (with a government now I don't
like too) as poor as Iraq?

I want to donate him a book:

   How to make a "Wirtschaftswunder" by Ludwig Erhard

It's a pity that Erhard didn't wrote such a book.
("Wirtschaftswunder" = economic miracle)

It would'nt be long:

"
You need:

  1. Peace

  2. to make your neighbours having the opinion that it's better
     if haven't got an army.

  3. You must think so too.

  4. Nothing else.
"

As a little proof:
Germany has about 1 000 000 000 000 DM debts
divided by 35 (years of German Army)
you get about        30 000 000 000 DM/year

the real acount for the Army is about:
                     50 000 000 000 DM/year

So Germany has all its debts only because of Army.
I don't think that there is a great difference to other countries like:
Israel, Egypt, USA, Sweden, Sovjet Union, Iraq, Japan, ... (calculate yourself)
By the way there are exact 2 countries which has lost a war, were a long
time not allowed to have one and belonging now to the richest of the world.
(guess yourself)
(Okok this is soc.culture.arabic and not talk.about.nonsense.of.armies)
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From: abdu@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (abdel-hadi h bukres)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Where can I find the Bazar Word Processor?
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:25:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6742

While downloading some Arabic fonts (in reply to an earlier message) from
a site, I came across an Arabic WP called Bazar. While I never heard of it
before, I found it easy to use and able to print Arabic characters on my
humble 9 pin printer. It's a demo version and unfortunately I couldn't
find any means of contact of its publisher. 
If anyone knows where I contact the software publisher, I would be
grateful. Thank you.

abdu@cs.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: To Mr. Faris
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:59 CST
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   

  Hello gentlemen

  I have not had the honor to be part in that last flamewar: allow me
to jump on the train.

In article <1993Jan21.231718.17828@news.columbia.edu>, jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) writes...
>Mr. Faris, as a fellow Christian I would like to inform you that you
>have gone far beyond tolerable limits in your latest nonsense.

  I agree with you, John: it seems nonsense from this side of the Net to 
continue trying to convince Salah that Christian bashing would do harm to the
cause he is trying promote.

  Aziz has finally admitted that nothing he might say will change Salah's mind
or ways of voicing his opinions: in his own words "I have failed pitifully".

  So let's see: Ibaa and Aziz are giving up, I have given up long ago (I tried
by e-mail).

  I guess the field is open for Salah to keep saying whatever he wants about
Arabs and Islam.  

  Let's hope that this newly found peace will help moderate him.

>I have had absolutely enough of this.

  Same here.

>I mean, it is really too much.

  Right.

>Don't you know anything about the teachings of Jesus on civility and
>decency. Don't call yourself a Christian if you will behave in this
>manner.

>One turns to s.c.a, s.c.l, and Egypt Net and all we have is this
>kind of trash bouncing back and forth.

  Now, wait a minute, here John !!

  As a subscriber to the three groups you have mentionned, I have seen some of 
what you are rightly complaining about, and Mr. Faris does not qualify as 
either uncivil or indecent.

  Then, again, who are we to judge who is allowed to call him/herself a 
Christian and who is not ?

>Mr. Faris, I have had more than enough.

  Same here, and I thank Aziz for deciding to stop this fruitless discussion.

>Irhamouna Ba'aa!!!!!

>PLEASE, with all respect to your person, if you cannot conduct yourself
>in a decent fashion then at least do not waste our time. If you feel
>and uncontrolable urge to continue then please consider e-mail. I think
>that would be ideal. You and Mr. Hamza can keep each other company but please
>let the rest of us in peace!!!!!

  Concerning decency and the lack thereof, please read above.

  About e-mail, I already mentionned that I tried: it did not work.

  John, you will not have the peace you are asking for: see what is happening
on EN, even after the recent vote: if *self*restraint is not applied, the
offensive posts will keep on flowing.

>John Absood
> 
>P.S. I am very sorry to post this message. I realize that it has nothing
>     to do with s.c.a but I have really lost my patience.

  Look for it: you will need it dearly.  The quantity might decrease, the
substance is unlikely to change soon.

  So, let's be patient.

alex khalil
alex@dt.uh.edu
From: yamin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ammar Masalkhi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Pro-Israel statements
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:43:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

>I have a request to make of all those Israel supporters who
>are corresponding on this network.  Please stop.
>
>>This network should be dedicated to arabic culture.  If that 
>includes negative statements about Israel, so be it.  Israel
>supporters should respect the opinions of those making the
>statements without attempting to refute them.

	You do have a point in stating that this network should
	be dedicated to arabic culture.  But as a regular reader
	of this newsgroup and as an arab, I find it important that
	Israel supporters express their unilluminating point of view 
	(even though it might be radical and unjust as it usually is).

					Ammar
					Yamin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddam
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:09:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu

In article <5021@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <nabeel.727990971@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo) writes:
>>
>>   Its true, but right now, I do not remember the Hadiths about
>>the United Nations, so I will skip. In fact, I think I am wasting
>>my time replying to this post. I will quit.

Nabeel, I hope you are not saying prophet's "Hadiths" about the UN.
If so, you should have some respect for people's beliefs.   I don't
feel like flaming you right now, I am tired of flaming people
all night long.

jle

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic