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From: arowe@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (B. Anne Rowe)
Subject: Re: New
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:09:39 GMT

Welcome aboard!  My name is Anne Rowe.  I am the associate
specialist for business education at the Virginia Department of
Education.  We have many teachers who are getting involved with
telecommunications, and now that Virginia has a statewide
network, they are allowing students to communicate with each
other.  Hopefully, some of those teachers have internet
and will communicate out-of-state.  Good luck with your new
venture.

Anne Rowe, Virginia
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
From: arowe@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (B. Anne Rowe)
Subject: Re: Mentors
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:28:45 GMT

Dr. Kesten:  I need a little more information.  I vaguely
remember your earlier message, but I didn't respond to it
thinking you meant local mentors.  Evidently you mean
electronic mentoring through the network?  Sorry I didn't pay
better attention.  Please send me more information.  I will
then send out a message through our VA.PEN network.  If I don't
get a good response, I will contact a few teachers personally.
How many teachers were you hoping to serve as mentors?  I look
forward to hearing from you.

Anne Rowe, Virginia Department of Education, P.O. Box 6Q,
Richmond, VA 23216-2060 (As of Sept. 1:  P.O. Box 2120, ZIP
23216-2120).  Phone, 804/225-2889.
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
From: kesten@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: Mentors
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:28:32 GMT

Hi.  Thanks for responding.  I do want 'electronic' mentors.
I will have about 10 or 12 students in my Methods of Teaching
Accounting course this fall semester.  My idea was that each could
have a mentor to communicate with about teaching strategies,
the nature of accounting students, content, etc..

It would be great if you could find a few volunteers for me.  I think
I should find a way to facilitate direct communication as these
conversations between student and mentor may clutter the airwaves.

Please let me know, either here or directly about your success.

Thanks

Cyril Kesten

Internet:  Kesten@Meena.cc.uregina.ca
Bitnet:  Kesten@meena.bitnet

Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
From: kesten@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Mentors
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:57:56 GMT

Anne Rowe:  A while ago I posted a request for accounting teachers to
act as mentors for my students who are in a Methods of Teaching Accounting
course.  Is it possible you could recruit some of the teachers on your
state network?  Please contact me through this news group or directly
at the address below.

Thanks

Dr. Cyril Kesten
Associate Professor of Education
University of Regina
Regina,  Saskatchewan
Canada   S4S 0A2

Phone:  (306) 585-4532
Internet:  Kesten@Meena.cc.uregina.ca
From: Joshua.Kramer@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: New
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:23:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

PW>   I tried to teach telecommunications with one computer and a modem/phone
PW>   line.  The problem was that students just didn't get enough time online
PW>   to make it beneficial.

That's interesting... in our school library there was a Mac and a 1200
baud modem (donated by a person whom you know that sees value in
telecommunications <g>)... and more people than not used it, mostly
calling the library, OSU's library, Tele-Forum, or my BBS...

PW>   The school BBS was extremely popular.  We put it up in November and had
PW>   more than 17,000 logins on it by June.  Definitely the way to go, IMHO,
PW>   especially if you already have a network in place.

Yeah, but remember that 1000 of those were Matt's, 1000 Chris Terry's,
1000 Phill Terry's, and 10000 mine... the other 5000 were other
people's... <g>

--Josh


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From: Paul.Winters@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Winters)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: New
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 12:30:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

GC{not received a reply yet and am looking forward to some.  I would really lik
GC{to get a modem for my classroom and begin showing my students how to
GC{communicate with your students and you.  If any of you have any advice or

   I tried to teach telecommunications with one computer and a modem/phone
   line.  The problem was that students just didn't get enough time online
   to make it beneficial.

   When we put in our computer network, we put a BBS on it.  Now students
   can log in from any networked machine, read and post mail at his/her
   leisure.  We offered FIDO's National Teen conference toward the end of
   the last school year, and it was quite popular.  This year we've
   substituted K12HighSchool Chat, but I expect similar results.

   The school BBS was extremely popular.  We put it up in November and had
   more than 17,000 logins on it by June.  Definitely the way to go, IMHO,
   especially if you already have a network in place.
 * OLX 2.2 * Spring Sale!  Buy two, get twice as many!!
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From: Steve.Clements@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Clements)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: Re: MENTORS
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:15:07 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

If you are looking for volunteers to help students in your methods course, I 
would like to offer my services.  I am currently teaching at the New 
Brunswick Community College in Moncton, NB, and can (hopefully) be reached 
through this network system.  If not, write to me c/o MBCC Moncton P.O. Box 
2100 Stn. A, Moncton NB E1C 8H9.  Good Luck with teh course.

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Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
From: kesten@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Accounting teachers to act as mentors
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:11:20 GMT

I am teaching a methods of teaching accounting course to prospective
business education teachers this fall.  These are students in their
second year of a four year bacherlor of education program.  They
are either majors or minors in business education.

I am interested in having teachers who are presently teaching a
first year accounting course at the high school level become mentor
to one or more of my students.  This would involve some communication
to discuss 'tricks of the trade' and advise on content and instructional
strategies typically used in the accounting classroom.

In exchange for this I will expect my students to send you their lesson
plans, unit plans and other materials collected or developed for the
class.

If you are interested please let me know.  The class begins the first
week of September.  I try to re.ad the posting here regularly so you can
respond here.  Alternatively you can contact me directly at the
addresses below.

Thanks a lot, I'm looking forward to this and I think all participants,
me, you and the students and pupils we work with will benefit.

Dr. Cyril Kesten
Associate Professor of Education
Faculty of Education
University of Regina
Regina,  Saskatchewan
Canada,    S4S 0A2

Internet:  Kesten@Meena.cc.uregina.ca
Bitnet:  Kesten@Meena

Phone:  (306) 585-4532
Fax:  (306) 585-4880

Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
From: kesten@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: MENTORS
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:29:58 GMT

Thanks Steve.  If you are on this network from Canada you should be able
to get me directly at my E-mail address.  This way we won't clutter the
network.

I'll get back to you shortly with some ideas about the project.
I appreciate your interest.

Cyril
From: Bill.Rankin@f2051.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Rankin)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: Looking For Technical Business
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 04:16:12 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:147/2051 - The O.U. BBS, Norman OK

    In determining a suitable business venture, you should assess the
skills and resources available to you.  In the case where a group of
individuals are involved a mutual interest should be pursued to insure
completion of the venture.  A good place to start would be books on
entrepreneurism.  You'll find that the achievement of a goal is usually
the place to start.  What are you wanting to do?  Raise money?  Wok at
it permanent or t time?  Days or nights?  Service, retail or
manufacturing?  Alone or in teams?  Think about it and give me a line
in return.  I'm a business student (BA/MIS) and would be glad to help
as I can.
   Good luck!


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From: Edward.Dunagin@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Dunagin)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer and "Stuff"
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:55:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

Sorry for the post in here. It was a new user and he has been corrected.

Peace............................Edward Dunagin, Sysop

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From: Audy.Barr@f66.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Audy Barr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: GL files
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:31:46 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/66 - Calgary Message Lin, Calgary Alta

Hi need a hand with GL files . I have a couple here that were originally arj files and I decompressed them and know I have this file with a GL extension that won't run >I assume like a GIFF file I need some kind of special program now to run it ?
Any one have any ideas??
thks 
Audy Barr


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From: Fran.O'gorman@f94.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Fran O'gorman)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTER CURRICULUM
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:52:16 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/94 - Monroe Electronic M, Monroe NY

Hi Murray,

That model store idea is nice, a good idea...I also saw a video of
a teacher who used Appleworks to have the students (I think they
were 5th grade) create a database of themselves... the class
deciding on what fields and such with each student being a
record..  and then later sorting -- like students whose favorite
sport is basketball, etc... the kids really seemed to get into
it... and the nice part for someone teaching this each year if you
continue to do this project, the database will always be different
(different kids) and the fields will be decided on by the kids and
so more ideas come into the pool.

Just another idea...

--Fran




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From: Dave.Nobile@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Nobile)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer and "Stuff"
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:33:22 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

Due to an economic crisis; "laid off from work" I have to sell my
computer system.  Should anyone be interested please leave me E-Mail.
Here are the specs for the entire system:

IBM Compatable 486/33 with 256 cache. 4mb ram, expand to 64 megs.
(2) 213 mb hard drives, (1) 5.25 FLOPPY DRIVE (1) 3.5 FLOPPY DRIVE
SVGA Monitor non-interlaced with 1mb ram video card (svga).
Tower system with 250 watt power supply and plenty of expansion slots.
Soundblaster card with BOSE Roommate II amplified speakers.
Logitech 3 button mouse.
Flight Stick Joystick
GVC Super 9600 Modem with MNP 5 data compression to 38400
Packard Bell Laser printer with 1.5 megs ram. 8 pages per min.
System is 7 months old and has a 1 year on site warrenty and a 2 year
parts and labor warrenty.  System comes with plenty of software such
as Windows 3.1, Lotus 123 Ver 3.1 Dbase 4.1, Harvard Graphics, Norton
Utilites 6.0 and much more.
I want to sell the system as a whole unit.  If you are running a large
scale business or Network, this is the system to do it.  It is
upgradable as well.  I am asking $4750.00 for the entire system.
If interested, please send E-Mail.



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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: APPLE SCHOOLS OF TOMORROW
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:41:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Joel, Thanks for the stuff you sent.  It came through with no problem.  Did 
I mention I painted the house while waiting?  In the fall WE are supposed to 
have file attachment to our mesgs on the Kto12(I guess others can do that now 
but we have to wait for an up-grade to our bbs software).  Just kidding...the 
waiting was more a result of my two weeks of vacation.  You material was 
useful and I made copies for others at work.  Again, Thanks!!!!!


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From: Zita.Podany@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Zita Podany)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Xapshot
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:03:20 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

In message #29 you had written that you've used the Xapshot with 
MacVision? How was the quality of the pictures and did you have any 
trouble with Macvision? What version of Macvision were you using?



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From: Joel.Orleck@p5.f41.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Orleck)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Alaska
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:20:04 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/41.5 - Metro-Net, Nashville TN

 
  VB> I am currently teaching in a Mac Lab in Albany, Oregon and am
  VB> interested in moving north to Alaska (intended) in a couple of years.
  VB> Would be interested in knowing if anyone out there has (or is)
  VB> teaching in Alaska. My wife says the requirement include: (1) a store
  VB> (2) a hospital (3) LDS church (4) a road in case she wants to escape.
 
  Hi Vic,

     Several years ago I used to communicate with a teacher who worked in a
small Alaskan village called Anaktuvak Pass (on the North Slope).  There were
only 250 people in the village and the nearest large city was 300 miles away.
 His house had no running water, all of his food was flown in, and the town
had limited medical facilities.  But, he loved it there!!  One big plus was
the fact that his wife was also a teacher and each of them was paid $60,000
a year!  He left the position because his wife became pregnant and he was concerned
about her not having immediate access to medical care. I sent for an application
for a position but never got around to sending it in.  In addition to the usual
stuff you find on a job application, there were also about 10 pages of essay
type questions that one was required to answer.  Also, on the North Slope they
prefer to hire husband wife teaching teams and at the time I was not married.
 

    However, I am sure that in the larger cities you'd find things similar to
the way things are in Albany.  BTW, I know that Albany is the home of the Supra
modem.  You wouldn't happen to be using one in you Mac Lab??

Regards,

Joel Orleck

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From: Sean.Willmore@p2.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Sean Willmore)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: GL files
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:25:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.2 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

AB->Hi need a hand with GL files . I have a couple here that were originally arj
  ->files and I decompressed them and know I have this file with a GL extension
  ->that won't run >I assume like a GIFF file I need some kind of special progra
  ->now to run it ?

you need a program called GRASPRT.EXE  it should have come in the archive. if
not check with the sysop of the BBS you got them from he should be able to
point you to the archive that has GRASPRT.EXE...

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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTER CURRICULUM
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:05:24 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Maurice...:)  I put together an intergrated package for my board and if you 
would like a copy of the skills development section I would  be more than 
willing to send it to you.  It only goes from grade primary, 5 year olds to 
the end of grade six, but might be of some use to you as a starting point. 
Leave me a message and I will get back to you.  An address if you want it 
would be helpful :-).  Carol

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From: Joel.Helton@p1.f41.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Helton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Apple Disks
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:21:53 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/41.1 - Metro-Net, Nashville TN

In a message dated 8/18/92, Grant Kwai wrote to Joel Helton about Apple Disks
. . . 

  GK> Joel, Sorry for the lateness of this, but if you haven't sent those
  GK> Apple stacks and things yet, could you cancel it please? It appears
  GK> that they (the club) aren't as interested as I had hoped.
  GK> 
  GK> If you have sent them already, then I will send your disks back and
  GK> stick some 5.25" disks with programs I can download for your effort.
  GK> These things happen I guess. Sorry about all this.
  GK> 
  GK> Cheerio, Grant

Grant, 

No problem.  Evidently, when this BBS could not poll for our messages your recent
one must have gotten lost because I don't recall getting a message asking for
the disks <g>.  I guess this is one time where a foul-up helped out after all.
 No disks have been sent but I understand.  

Joel


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From: Joshua.Kramer@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: RE: OS/2
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 08:20:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

EW>other platforms also.  I have found OS/2 to be unreliable, and not very

That's weird... from what I heard, it's very smooth and very fast...
unless you're talking about OS/2 previous to 2.0...

EW>multitasking-momory management, use UNIX...  There is a free, reasonably
EW>small unix called LINUX,

Could you give me info as to where to get this, what kind of memory/disk
space/processor I must have, etc.?

Thanks...

--Josh


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From: Joshua.Kramer@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: OS/2
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:44:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

LP>easy to use and is very powerful. It is not quite up to the level of the mac
LP>in certain areas like multimedia, but in a little while that should change

Naaaaah, I'd say that it's superior to Macs... more muscle, and there
are add-ons to surpass any Mac in graphics and sound...

--Josh


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From: Janet.Murray@f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Janet Murray)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: K-12 Resource Index?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:19:30 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

In a message of <Jul 22 14:42>, Jonathan Kochmer (1:105/42) wrote: 

>Does anyone know if an index exists of Internet resources for K-12? 

 JK>Yes indeed! Chapter 15 of the NorthWestNet User Services Internet 
 JK>Resource
 JK>Guide (NUSIRG) is written explicitly to address this need. The 
 JK>chapter was
 JK>last revised in October, 1991, so some of the contact information 
 JK>is out
 JK>of date. 

Jonathan!

I'm so glad to see you're still checking in with us - and NUSIRG is
_still_ my favorite.  You did a wonderful job on Chapter 15; we
were so proud to see K12Net featured in so many places.  I have
a bound copy of the March, '92 edition, sitting next to my BBS
computer.

Thanks for all your hard work; it's true that some of the contact
information will need to be updated - send me an inquiry when
you're ready to revise.

--Janet Murray
jmurray@psg.com
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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer and "Stuff"
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:17:20 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Dave!

Friday August 14 1992, Dave Nobile writes to All:

 > Due to an economic crisis; "laid off from work" I have to sell my
 > computer system.

Wrong area for this type of thing. I hope you get a job soon.

ooroo


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From: Vic.Brockett@f603.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Vic Brockett)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Alaska
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:37:32 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/603 - Salem Educators Onl, Salem OR

I am currently teaching in a Mac Lab in Albany, Oregon and am interested 
in moving north to Alaska (intended) in a couple of years. Would be 
interested in knowing if anyone out there has (or is) teaching in Alaska.
My wife says the requirement include: (1) a store (2) a hospital (3) LDS 
church (4) a road in case she wants to escape. My degree is in science 
education, my current assignment and interest is in computer technology 
especially the Macintosh. If anyone wants to respond or just chat, I 
would like to hear from you.
Vic Brockett
2993 Ridgeway Dr SE
TURNER OR 97392
Thank you


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From: Grant.Kwai@f729.n713.z3.fidonet.org (Grant Kwai)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Apple Disks
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:16:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:713/729 - TETIA Service Info , Baulkham Hills NSW

 Joel,

 Sorry for the lateness of this, but if you haven't sent those Apple
stacks and things yet, could you cancel it please? It appears that they
(the club) aren't as interested as I had hoped.

 If you have sent them already, then I will send your disks back and
stick some 5.25" disks with programs I can download for your effort.
These things happen I guess. Sorry about all this.

Cheerio,
Grant



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