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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Nettles
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 19 Dec 1992 07:44:47 UTC

In article <1gu0ngINN4js@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>I am interested in growing nettles as a food and herb.
>I think the common species is Urtica Dioca (not sure).
>Anyone know of a company that sells seeds for this?
>thanks

Ref: Cornucopia, Kampong Pub, Vista, CA, ISBN: 0-9628087-0-9:

Urtica dioica - Stinging nettle. Young leaves make a very palatable and
nutritious potherb. They are also pureed, creamed, used in soups, made
into a beer, or mixed with leeks, broccoli, and rice to form nettle
pudding. The juice of the leaves, or a decoction of the herb, is used as
a rennet in preparing cheeses or junkets. Nettles may be blanched and
eaten like seakale. Dried leaves are brewed into an herbal tea. Eurasia,
naturalized in North America. A2, C11, C43M, C85M, F24, F80, G68, H46,
J82, K22, M16, N45, N71M, etc.

A2: Abundant Life Seed Foundation, pobox 772, Port Townsend, WA, 98368,
(206) 385-7192, CAT $1
C43M: Companion Plants, 7247 N. Coolville Ridge Rd, Athens, OH, 45701,
(614) 592-4643, CAT $2
C85M: Dam (William) Seeds Ltd., pobox 8400, Dundas, ON, L9H-6M1, Canada,
(416) 628-6641, CAT $1
F80: Hudson (J.L.), Seedsman, pobox 1058, Redwood City, CA, 94064, CAT $1
G68: Le Jardin du Gourmet, pobox 75, St. Johnsbury Center, VT, 05863,
CAT $0.50
J82: Richters, pobox 26, Goodwood, ON, L0C-1A0, Canada, (416) 640-6677,
CAT FREE
N71M: Appel (Conrad) GmbH, Bismarckstrasse 59, D-6100 Darmstadt,
Germany, 6151 852-200, CAT FREE
From: del_col@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: WANTED: Disa seeds or seed sources
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:31:04 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

Okay, orchid fans, can anyone provide the names and addresses of sources
for seed of Disa uniflora and/or its hybrids.  I once got some from 
Warren Stoutamire in Akron, Ohio, but I don't know if he still has them.
As soon as I find his address in the trash heap that serves as my office,
I'll try to get in touch with him, but in the meantime, can anyone provide
the names of other sources?  Better yet, anyone out there got Disa seed
he or she is willing to sell or barter for?

Jeff Del Col
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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Christmas tree alternative?
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:23:00 GMT

Hmmmm, I don't know who cuts down trees to plant christmas trees... I 
suppose someone somewhere does it.  But my brother manages a xmas tree
farm in Newhall, CA and they grow their trees under high tension wires,
on land that would otherwise be acres of weeds.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity has no hold over me!
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Potted vegetables, ideas needed.
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:40:16 GMT
Organization: -

In article <BzBD3s.8HF@dale.cts.com>, npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
> I'm an apartment dweller in San Diego,  and I've discovered the joys 
> of gardening by growing vegetables, and a few flowers, in pots.  I have 
> 3 nice peppers (2 anaheim and a jalpeno), a perky herb garden and a 
> few flowers.  I'm looking for other ideas for vegetables to plant
> this winter, or early spring that'll do well in my patio.
> My patio doesn't get much direct sunlight.
> 

How about leaf lettuce?  If you use some of the mail order sources for
seed you can get varieties in all kinds of shapes with colors ranging
from deep-purple to lime-green.  Since you have limited space, go
ahead and plant all the seed and eat the baby plants as you thin it
out.  Lettuce usually does OK in partial sun in San Diego, but full
sun would be better in the winter.

Also try rhubarb chard (use the leaves like spinach) and bok choy. 
Both of these look good in containers.  

If you want to add some flowers to your salads, try nasturtiums,
calendulas or pansies.  All do great in pots and should be good until
late spring.  Of the three, pansies need the least sun.

Jim
Organization: Toontown
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:02:27 EST
From: <RJP119@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: I'm looking for an Anoectochilus Sikkimensis ....

   Hello, my uncle is looking for an anoectochilus sikkimensis, "King of the
Forest".  For all those that don't know what this plant is, here is the
description that he gave me:

         ANOECTOCHILUS (Orchidaceae): the charming "Jewel Orchids" are small
         tropical epiphytes of great beauty growing on trees, or terrestrials
         beneath trees or on mossy rocks under moist-warm conditions, and are
         cultivated primarily for their gorgeous velvety, often bronzy foliage
         with tracery in muted colors or in gold or silver; the flowers being
         very small and not showy; lacking pseudobulbs; they require constant
         humidity and even temperature, and need to be grown in greenhouses;
         in our super-heated homes in a terrarium or under a plastic hood or in
         a bell-jar, in vary humusy soil with sphagnum of fern fiber, broken
         pots, charcoal, or similar.  Less moisture needed in the winter.
         Removing the flowers in weak shoots will conserve the strength of the
         plant.  Propagated by cutting the fleshy rhizomes into pieces
         preferably with a root attached.  To my surprise I have seen Jewel
         orchid successfully grown as cut-off branches simply by placing them
         in a glass of water near the window where they have been blooming
         regularly for several years.

         SIKKIMENSIS (Sikkim Himalayas), dwarf "King of the forest";
         terrestrial orchid, with succulent stems and broad ovate, dark bronzy
         red 6 cm leaves with velvety velvety reticulated with a network of
         orange red veins;  the 22 cm inflorescence with small 2 cm flowers
         green and white, blooming in autumn.


   Now that you are up to speed with what the flower is, and hopefully made you
interested in the flower, I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get my
hands on one of them.  If you do, PLEASE send me a note at:
RJP119@psuvm.psu.edu as soon as possible.  I'm trying to make this a Chirstmas
gift.
   Thank you for taking the time to read this.

                  - Rick Pries (RJP119@psuvm.psu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: calamondin orange
From: thacker@rhea
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:03:40 MDT
Reply-To: thacker@rhea
Organization: Alberta Research Council

Following the recent discussion on this newsgroup I purchased a 
calamondin orange.  I see that in the nifty orange-coloured 
directions they state that it is a hybrid orange.  Is this true?

If it is a hybrid then it won't produce "true" from seed.  What are
the parents ie would I get other dwarf orange varieties from seed or
is there a full size orange lurking in its genes? 

Should I resort to cuttings if I feel the need for more dwarf oranges,
and how easily do cuttings root?
From: kc@clark.edu (Kevin Carrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Tomatoes in Marl...
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:38:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Dec19.013846.23553
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

I need help growing tomatoes in Marl in southern California.  The plants
grow a little and then bare a few fruit, then they all turn yellow and
die.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you..

-- 
~ Kevin Carrigan                    "The mind is a wonderful thing to waste." ~
~ kc@clark.edu                      "The mind is a terrible thing."           ~
~ Clark College CS Department       "A mind?"                                 ~ 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: tall grass prairie
From: thacker@rhea
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:29:18 MDT
Reply-To: thacker@rhea
Organization: Alberta Research Council

I am toying with the idea of putting in a small patch of tall grass
prairie in my yard.

Last spring I started rows of Indian Grass (Sorghastrum nutans) and
Big Bluestem grass (Andropogon gerardi) in my vegetable garden.  They
only reached about 6 inches high by the end of the year, but I 
understand they could be 6 feet high in several years.

My problem is this.  I want to dig a bed for them and include a 
number of prairie wildflowers (and I may cheat and add daffodils for
spring colour), but I don't know the growth habits of the grasses.
Do they form clumps or do they form a sod?  How quickly do they fill
out?  If they grow as clumps I can introduce wildflower seeds between 
the clumps, but if they form a sod quickly I would be better off to
plant established perrenial wildflowers rather than seeds.  While the
seed heads can reach six feet high or so, how tall is the actual dense
leafy growth?  Presumably any wildflower that can grow above the leaf
cover will have enough light to flower among the heads of the grasses.
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From: djd@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.j.daulton)
Subject: Re: Bird food (Was: ... feeding bluejays)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:42:36 GMT

On the subject of plants that attract hummingbirds, I have had the most luck
with three:

1. Fuschia.  Not the fancy ones, but the very simple, single trumpet,
no frilly stuff, ones, which are harder to find.  I put these in a
hanging basket in the shade.  Of course, they are not hardy this far
north.

2. Trumpet vine (Campsis radicans).  Last year they were all over this, but
seemed to miss it this year--at least while I was watching.

3. Honeysuckle.  Not the fragrant yellow ones, but the non-fragrant red
ones.  This was where I most often spotted hummers in my yard this year.
I have several red varieties.  I think one is called "gold flame",
and another is "Magnifica"--which bloomed all summer.

Dave Daulton, Columbus, Ohio
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: jona@whservd.att.com (Jon M. Allingham)
Subject: Re: Bird food (Was: ... feeding bluejays)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:46:14 GMT

   >Another thing you might try to lure bluejays are unsalted peanuts in
   >the shell. At least the local scrub jays adore them.  They are close
   >relatives of blue jays.

   Here they sell "net stockings" with peanuts sans shell for bird food.
   The tits love peanut stockings. Strangely enough, the sparrows don't
   seem to care for peanuts, or maybe they can't get the hang of the
   stocking. :)

I miss the start of this thread, but I'll throw in my 2c. We have been
fairly successfull in attracting birds with our feeders. We use the
following:

1) a thistle feeder for the finches. This primarily attracts gold
finches, the common finches and purple finches nibble there but are
more attracted to sunflower seeds.

2) Suet with mixed in peanuts. Attracts Hairy, Downy & Sapsucker
woodpeckers. The chickadees, nuthatches, and blue jays also like it.
The titmice will also nibble on it.

3) Triple tube feeder with bottom mounted on pole on the deck. Some of
the feeding holds have perches, some don't. We fill one tube with
cracked corn and the other tubes with sunflower seeds. The mixed seeds
are not particularly popular. Chickadees like the perchless feeding
holes, titmice & nuthatches don't care. Finches prefer perches. Juncos
and Cardinals are gound feeders and kind of hop around below the
feeder looking for droppings; Juncos will fly up to the feeder and
nibble cracked corn or sunflower seeds but the Cardinals really don't
like to. The Blue Jays eat the cracked corn.

We also get a few wrens but not many.

What we are clearly missing is a ground feeder of some sort for the
Juncos and Cardinals. Unfortunately we have so many squirrels that
anything within their reach is immediately cleaned up before the birds
really have a chance. Maybe I can put together some kind of elevated
platform that the birds will sit on.

Mourning Doves occasionaly try to get the thistle seeds, otherwise
they mostly root around under the feeder for whatever spills out.

Any suggestions as for other approaches to attracting cardinals would
be appreciated; they are one of our favorites but they never always
seem to get short-changed at the feeders.

PS: anyone know what the hummingbird season is in NJ? I keep wanting
to put out a hummingbird feeder but really have no idea when they are
around.
--
Jon M. Allingham	(201)386-3637	AT&T Bell Laboratories (Whippany,NJ)
gummo!jona OR jona@gummo.att.com	WH 1F-224

"To those of us with real understanding, dancing is the only pure art form" - Snoopy
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Hillside erosion
Date: 9 Dec 92 21:30:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: -

In article <1g381pINNpp5@network.ucsd.edu>, mab@chem.ucsd.edu (Mary Ann Buckles) writes:

> Here's my first question:  What iceplant should I use?  I can't use the 
> big heavy stuff (I think it's called pickle-weed) because it's so heavy 
> it pulls the hillside with it when it slides off during rains.  I would
> like something that has a little bit of roots to it and will not need
> much water.  Not being too heavy is my first need, low water needs is the 
> second quality I seek, and it would be wonderful to find something
> that actually has some roots as a final consideration.  Anybody out there 
> know anything about types of iceplant?
> 
> Thanks -- Mary Ann

Try drosanthemum.  It is often sold as rosea.  It produces the
wonderful carpet-like hillsides of blooms for several months in the
spring.  It comes in shades of almost purple to pale pink.  It has
little rice shapped leaves that have a grayish cast with a reddish
blush and a touch of glitter.  It doesn't have the heavy succulent
leaves or huge thick mat build up that some ice plants do.  (Heavy
iceplant buildup can lead to bluff failure after a rain.)  I have
several hills that have been in place for over 10 years and it is
still less than 6 inches deep.

It is a little slow to get started and doesn't grow nearly as fast as
the more common red apple or disney.  (These two are awful and require
almost weekly trimming once established.)  I give mine very little 
supplmental water and it only needs a twice a year trimming around the
edges.

It does attrack lots of bees when in bloom (so do most ice plants), so
don't put it two near a patio or yard.  Evergreen Nursery sells flats
for $9 I believe.  Several other nurseries that specialize in ground
covers may offer it for less.  Or you can find someone that needs
theirs trimmed and root your own.  It's fairly easy to start by direct
planting of cuttings.  However, planting in flats first would improve
rooting.

Oh, and it mixes wonderfully with white or purple lantana for off
season color.  (Careful about where you plant white lantana.  It
doesn't take frost very well.)

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: brokaw@flamingo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Pete Brokaw)
Subject: Re: Bird feeding (was Re: 1)
Organization: Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:31:32 GMT

|> <V-JOHN@UMINN1.BITNET> asks:

|> >So far I've put out suet and black sunflower seeds (oilers).  I saw a blue 
|> >jay yesterday but it didn't land--any ideas what they like?  What do 
|> >cardinals like?  Is there a special feeder for these birds?  I do have 
|> >squirrels in my back yard & they eat everything in sight if the food isn't 
|> >kept out of reach.  Thanks for your help.

I won't add much to what Jill already wrote.  I live in Iowa, so we have
a similar climate to yours.  I noticed that the cardinals were the last
birds to come to my feeder--I've been told that they may wait 3 months to
approach a new one (I don't think it took that long).  I only put out the
oiled sunflower seed because it seems to please the most birds.  One
problem is the mess left behind--lots of empty shells.

I've noticed that cardinals prefer to eat alone and will become territorial
at the feeder (the perches on mine are long enough to accomodate bigger
birds).  Another bird can only be at the perch opposite the cardinal, or the
cardinal will chase it.  Cardinals have to eat every 14 hours (at least),
so once they find your feeder, they should be consistent visitors.

A great way to attract birds (and squirrels--I'm a squirrel fan, even if
they eat bird seed) is to keep a bird bath out all year.  I keep a heater
in mine when it gets too cold.  It's pretty common to see several birds
(7 or 8) at the bird bath--some in the bowl and smaller ones perched on the
edge taking showers in the overspray from the big birds.  The bird bath base
freezes to the patio before too long, so I don't worry about keeping the bowl
really clean--I just add fresh water every few days.  When the weather
cooperates, I dump the water and scrub it clean.

Pete
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Pete Brokaw		Email: pete-brokaw@uiowa.edu
Weeg Computing Center	University of Iowa	Iowa City, IA 52242

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Re: Nettles
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:24:50 GMT

In article <1gu0ngINN4js@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>I am interested in growing nettles as a food and herb.
>I think the common species is Urtica Dioca (not sure).
>Anyone know of a company that sells seeds for this?

We have seeds at $1.25/packet plus handling.  


-- 
Conrad Richter                     richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
Richters Herbs                     71550.3411@compuserve.com
Goodwood, ON L0C 1AO Canada        Tel 416-640-6677 / Fax 416-640-6641
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: lejensen@iastate.edu (Linda E Jensen)
Subject: Tree Longevity
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:37:53 GMT


We just moved into a house with some medium size trees.  Some of
these trees don't look very well.  So we call a few tree services
to come out to look at them and doctor them.  But all of them
said that we should just cut them down... the trees are too old.

What is the longevity of willow trees, and other small to medium
size tree?  

From: linda@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Linda Jackson)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:39:18 GMT
Subject: Pollination in hydroponic garden?
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hello, Netland!

We have recently (the day after Thanksgiving) set up a hydroponic garden 
in our dining room.  It is situated next to a south-facing window, and 
we are using a grow light.  The books that we have are rather vague on
one question:  How do I pollinate the various plants?  Do I need to 
pollinate?  The man at the hydroponics store had an answer for only the
tomatoes:  Shake the flowers a little bit every day.

I am growing:	Tomatoes
		Yellow Crookneck Squash
		Green beans
		Sugar Snap Peas
		Basil
		Dill
		Cabbage
		Lettuce (Cos and Bibb)
		Broccoli
		Cauliflower
		Eggplant
		Cucumber

Any help that you can provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you
in advance.

				.........Linda Jackson
					 Hewlett-Packard
					 Ft. Collins, Colorado

					 linda@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com
From: linda@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Linda Jackson)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:09:18 GMT
Subject: Broccoflower seeds?
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I am looking for seeds for Broccoflower, a cross between broccoli and 
cauliflower.  It is a real taste treat, and I would like to try my
hand at growing it.  

Do any of you know of a source for broccoflower seeds?  Are there any
mail order sources? 

Thank you for your help.

				........Linda Jackson
					Hewlett-Packard
					Ft. Collins, Colorado

					linda@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com
From: spencer@compton.RadOnc.Duke.EDU (David P. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Bird food (Was: ... feeding bluejays)
Keywords: birds
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:31:39 GMT
Organization: Radiation Oncology, Duke Univ. Medical Center

Hummingbirds really do like the colour red, I can remember a hummingbird 
investigating a red flower on a towel my mother had hung out to dry.  We use 
a feeder which is made of red-coloured plastic, so there is no need for any 
dye.  I don't know what effect it has on them, although when we did use dye, 
we had tiny little red-coloured bird-droppings on our patio, strangely cute.

We put out seeds on the deck for whoever wants them, yes squirrels get a lot, 
but we also have at least 2 chipmunks.  The mammals are fun to watch, so we 
don't begrudge them the seeds.  They do compete and chase each other off, no 
matter how many seeds are out there, possibly the funniest time was when I saw 
a chipmunk come up behind a squirrel and leap on its tail!  We do get some 
cardinals and blue-jays.

The feeders, one thistle and one black-oil sunflower get a lot of different 
birds, including goldfinches, house finches, purple finches, chickadees...
An interesting thing about the chickadees is that they will "select" the 
sunflower seeds by taking one, drop it, take one, drop it, over and over, then 
take one and fly away.  They are just dropping, not eating, and we see the 
seeds falling on the mourning doves, squirrels, etc. scrambling around 
underneath.

Lots of fun at our house.

We have had some nice red tomatoes develop mysterious small holes and harbor 
dark suspicions of those cute little hummers, though...

David Spencer
From: mcacc@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Cacciacarro ~)
Subject: Re: Gardening gifts
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:23:16 GMT

In article <741@mtinews.mti.com> sonia@adara.mti.com (Sonia Lansberg) writes:
>In article <3102@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> ljane@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Linda Cas
>t) writes:
>>
>> Holiday wish list - a Radio Flyer little red wagon (think that's the
>> brand name), 
>
>I've been looking for an all-purpose gardening/utility/hauling cart
>that I can use for things like: unloading groceries, moving filled
>trash cans, moving things around the yard, etc.
>
>What I'm picturing would probably have a flatbed (for lifting trash
>cans onto) and some baskets and/or shelves for carrying things like
>groceries, pots, tools.
>
>I've tried Mellenger's, but their catalog doesn't contain any carts.
>Does anyone have any ideas (with prices)? 
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Sonia Lansberg               sonia@lexcel.com

Depends on how much you want to spend.  Lehman's non-electric catalog
carries some HEAVY duty wagons. From 14''x26'', 8"h to 24"x48", 17"h.
Priced from $65 to $310.  The weight carrying capacity is from 50# to 180#.
They also have an air filled tires option. There's even a 4-wheeled steering
one that's 17"x40", 14"h for $209 to $250. $250 for air filled tires.

	They also offer some sizes in frame only so you can build your own.
The wagons are Amish handcrafted, plywood bottoms, hardwood racks and
bodies, steel frames, and ball bearing wheels. They look like little stake
beds. There is special steering so they don't tip. 

	Alittle spendy, but what isn't these day's? There is also an A.L.
Leonard catalog that caters to the nursery type trade. They have a bunch of
differant carts in it like you've seen at the garden centers. They seem high
to me, plus shipping charges mount fast. I don't have the address or number
handy, but they are out of Ohio.

Lehman hardware and appliance
4779 Kidron road,  PO box 41
Kidron, Ohio 44636   216-857-5757  216-857-5441

	They also have a nice assortment of old timey and modern hand tools
for gardening and workshop and kitchen. The stuff I've ordered has been
Quality merchandise.

			Mark Cacc.

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