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From: cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: AR parts - which ones to have on hand?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.Bxtuz7.C0w
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel


What parts would you AR experts keep on hand, assuming you couldn't buy
them in the future? I'd like to keep my HBAR operational, and if I can't
buy parts...which ones should I purchase now? Which parts have you had
break? wear out? or just lost in cleaning?

thanks...rich cower

[MODERATOR:  We know a FAQ list is on the way ... now we should start
numbering FUR's too, that is, "frequently uttered responses".  Response
number one, of course, is "buy 'em all!".  In this case, Rich, it seems
like the appropriate spare part to get is, of course, another AR.... :-)  ]
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: looking for m14 (m1a) reciever
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:04:12 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

Hi all,
   I'm looking for a very low cost m14/m1a reciever. 
I want to get the seriel numbered part while it's legal, and
invest the $'s building it (them) up over time. 

Now here are the questions:
1) Who makes single lugged recievers, and about how much, and
2) who makes double lugged recievers, and about how much, and
what is involved in adding a lug to a reciever? Where is this
second lug located, at the front or the rear of the reciever?

The advantage to the double lugged recievers is supposidly that
the bedding job lasts about twice as long, ie about as long
as the barrel does, where normally the bedding has to be redone
about every 1500 rounds (vs about 2500-3000 round barrel life).
(this is for match shooting, not just service shooting....)

I do want a quality part, ie forged, not cast, and GI parts compatable.
I've heard that the Norinco recievers require modified/different parts,
is this true? What about the quality of the recievers?

-Thanks
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lilliput automatics
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:19:08 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

jthst5+@pitt.edu (John T Haller) writes:

#Well, I've ben sitting on this question for a while, so I think I'll
#finally ask it.  Does anyone know anything about Lilliput semi-automatic 
#pistols?  These guns are often featured as the favorite weapons of heroes
#in Allistair Maclean novels. (Guns of Navarone, etc)  They were supposedly
#of .21 caliber.  I am sure they weren't imported after 1968 due to GCA '68.
#Prices? History? Performance (or the lack thereof)?  

#     I liked AllistairMaclean novels enough when I was younger that I'd
#consider getting one if the $ was right.

You better save up that money then, because I think you will have
to have brass custom made for you.

4.25mm (.17 cal) Liliput or 4.25mm Erica.  Origin ~1913 in Austria.
(Cart. of the world, Frank Barnes)
4.25mm	12-15 gr	800 fps		14-17 ft-lbs
.25 ACP	50 		810		73
.22 LR	40		860		66

You could use it to put injured bugs out of their misery.  8-)
	[MODERATOR: Gosh, Jim, I don't know if you should promote that
	 practice.  You would not be assured of a sportsmanlike stop on
	 some of the mosquitos around here, using only a .22.  But you
	 would manage to piss them off, which would have grave consequences
	 for their next victim.....]

Jim Del Vecchio
From: mfolenta@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: LASERs - rangefinders?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:12:01 GMT


    Well here is a tid-bit on laser range finders that I ran 
 across.  The source of this info is a trade journal called 
 _Industrial Equipment News_, which is an open source (ie it
 is not classified in any way).  The disclaimer is so that no 
 one thinks this is privilaged or classified information.  Now 
 for the tid-bit :


	_LASER RANGEFINDER uses Head-Up Display for 
	   easy, accurate targeting_

	ProSurvey 1000 operates by measuring pulse time of
	flight rather than phase measurement commonly used
	in conventional EDM devices.  Not requiring reflective
	surfaces or special targets, eye-safe laser gauges
	distances up to 2,500 ft with 6 in. accuracy or can
	measure distances of objects with highly reflective
	surfaces to 25,000 ft.  Sighting with Head-Up-Display
	provides complete field-of-view, unlike restrictive
	telescopic sights.  Laser Atlanta, Norcross, GA
	(404) 446-3866


     There is a small photo with the ad/notice which shows a man
 holding the unit.  It looks to be about the size of a typical
 police radar gun (estimated 5"x5"x12" by looking at the photo).
 There are 4 buttons/switches (Off, Test, Range, and Speed), 2
 lcd displays (Speed and Range), and 2 indicator lights (Power
 and Laser).  Ther is a pistol grip handle on the bottom middle
 of the main body and there are a couple of jacks and dodads on
 the bottom edge of the main body.


       ***** These are my opinions.  Get your own. :-) *****
      Michael Folenta          | U.S. Army ARDEC
   Future Weapons Branch       | Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806-5000
  email mfolenta@pica.army.mil | (201) 724-3880  [AV 880-3880]
From: rmihara%ocf.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Randall A. Mihara)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: *** GLOCK *** 21, 22, and 23
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:20:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

The extra $40 for the .45ACP is not significant compared to the
operating costs of the firearm...do not let that alter your judgement
for which caliber is most suitable for you.  The $40 will equate to
about 2-3 boxes of ammunition.  You should go through at least 
a thousand rounds to become proficient with the pistol.  I have
a glock 21 and use a tactical thigh holster...it works well,
but is not concealed.  If I were intending on concealing a pistol
in a shoulder holster, I would go for an HK P7...they are very 
compact.  And if you want .40S&W, they just came out with a version
chambered for that.

Randy Mihara
rmihara@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMSEC safes on sale, experiences?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:30:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov13.232232.6434@samba.oit.unc.edu> rslugg@med.unc.edu (Robert Slugg) writes:
#Natchez is closing out their line of AMSEC safes at prices about 15-20%
#lower than Whitesides's prices.  I'm looking at the 6030 and 6032 models.


I called up Natchez and did some figuring on the AMSEC safes
vs. the ones sold locally.  What I found was that they are as
good a deal as (for instance) the lower price models of the Ft.
Knox line.  The AMSEC model at $515 plus the interior I selected,
plus the freight to southern NH, plus the drop ship fee to a residence
of $30 plus the credit card fee of $3.50 was about the same as the
similar Ft. Knox model (on sale at Riley's in Hooksett NH).  The two
differences:  The price (slightly higher for the Ft. Knox) included
my being able to see the safe before buying and the safe being in my 
house where I wanted it vs. in the garage.

Is AMSEC staying in business?  Anyway, I got the Ft. Knox instead,
but it was on sale.  The full retail on the Brownings, Ft. Knox,
Treadlocks etc. is way more than you should pay - shop around.

BDW
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Accidental Discharges
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:19:09 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:

#know that guns produced by Davis, Jennings, etc., are garbage, and
#if the safeties work, it's partly a matter of luck.  I have no
#similar compunction about carrying an American Arms PPK copy
#chambered, because it's made of decent materials, and it's a good
#design (licensed from Erma Werke).

I thought the AA products were cast from zinc also.  They have
a .22 cal TPH clone that is made from potmetal (Zamek, excuse me 8-),
or at least I thought it was.  Will a magnet stick to the frame?

#I've sold a Jennings 22 before, but only after the buyer promised
#to only use for humanely dispatching captive rabbits -- it was too
#crummy, and too unreliable for self-defense.

You'll never write for G&A, Clayton!
8-)

Jim D
From: HDFS1.acd.com!jbii@acd4.acd.com ( John O. Bell II )
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Could someone give me some advice?
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:33:14 GMT
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN

I was wondering if anyone could give me some ideas on what would be a 
good first handgun for me... I am a complete and utter novice, but I
have shot rifles before, so I am somewhat familiar with firearms.

Maybe some vital statistics will help:

Excellent hand and wrist strength, but like I say, inexperienced with handguns.
I do lift weights and am careful to work on my hand and wrist strength, since
I also do martial arts practice (budo aikido).

Even thus, I am not so sure that I should start out with a more powerful
model. To make a long story short, what would be a good pick for me?

Thanks for the help...

John Bell
From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I got a good situational question.  Here goes:

SCENARIO:  It is late at night.  You and your wife wake up from the sound of
a broken window in the living room.  You grab your favorite perp-popper and
head out towards the living room.  It is a dark, overcast night, and you can
see the perp's outline but cannot discern if he is armed.  What do you do?  
Shoot?  Yell something?  

Nathan

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From: sjo@sunsrvr1.cci.com (Steve Owens)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: A Gun Collecting Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:05:49 GMT



	Got a question for you collector-types out there: Are there any 
books out there that will teach me how to judge the condition of a used 
rifle before I purchase it?

	Here's the situation:  Recently, I've taken an interest in
collecting old rifles.  Currently, I have an SKS, a couple of SMLE's,
and a Mosin-Nagant.  Right now I'm relying on the advice of a dealer at 
the gun shop I frequent.  He, too, apparently collects a bit, and so far
has not steared me wrong, but I'm one of those people that doesn't like
to rely on someone else all the time, so I'd like to be able to better 
judge the condition for myself.

	I think I do a fairly good job of checking the rifle in general
(checking the stock for nicks and digs, checking for rust, wear, etc, on
the exterior metal parts,...).  I check the action, receiver, and magazine
for rust, pits, and gouges, but so far I've deferred all other checks
to my dealer friend (I'm still willing to allow the shop to check the 
headspacing, as they have the tools available to do it.)  What other 
visual/tactile things should I look for? What should I look for in 
inspecting the bore to determine if it's good or not?  Is there a book 
that covers this sort of thing?

	Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


						Steve
From: bhv@boilerbob.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Fletchette
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:08:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: lmpsbbs.1992Nov16.170254.13429
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL

In article <9211121812.AA00726@whirlwind> moore@tc.fluke.COM (Matt Moore) writes:

) Any such ammunition would be illegal for American civilians because the
)flechettes must be made of some hard material, such as steel or uranium,
)which would fall under the materials-oriented definition of "armor
)piercing ammunition".

It seems to me that a fetchette, esp. one made out of hard materials, 
*would* be a good armor piercer - a long, narrow, high-velocity projectile
should be ideal for penetrating armor.
From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Right-handed/left-eyed: how to retrain eyes?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:09:17 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia

scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath) writes:

#David Basiji (basiji@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:
#: 
#: I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
#: I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
#: 	1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
#: 	2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
#: 	3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.

There is, of course,
        4) buy a left-handed gun :-)

David, you didn't say what sort of rifle you're using.  There are offset
sights available for target rifles to overcome precisely this sort 
of problem  -  they work like a miniature periscope mounted horizontally,
so a right-handed shooter can use his or her left eye.  Of course,
they aren't cheap!  Alternatively, a simple piece of plastic
attached to the rear sight will block the vision of the left eye  -
this is what I use so I can shoot with both eyes open and not have 
to squint.

#....  The clay target shooters I know
#combat this problem by putting a small, translucent disk on their shooting
#glasses so that the front bead is obscured from the dominant eye when in
#the "gun-mounted-waiting-for-a-target" position.  This keeps the dominant
#eye from supplying incorrect positional information when the sight plane is
#close to the target but it allows both eyes to be used for target
#aquisition on targets that are outside the range of the obscuring disc.
#These discs are available from some eyewear shops but alot of people just
#cut a small piece of Scotch tape and use it.

A lot of pistol shooters do the same thing, covering the non-dominant
eye with target patches stuck onto ordinary shooting glasses (the
cheap solution) or buying fancy shooting glasses which have an opaque
eyeshield (the expensive solution).

I should add that for pistol shooting I prefer to shoot with both eyes
open and unobstructed, as I find it helps me to concentrate on the
front sight.  Of course, with a pistol it doesn't really matter which
eye is dominant.

Geoff Miller  (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
Comuter Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy

PS  Keep rec.guns moderated!  Keep the current moderator!  IMHO he's
doing an excellent job, and it's much appreciated.
From: booth@mdd.comm.mot.com (Greg Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: EAA Witness
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:22 GMT
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC

Does anybody have any experience with the EAA Witness guns
based off of the CZ-75 (TZ-75)?

I have a chance to buy one(or more) at a very good price from
the newly appointed Canadian distributor. (Murray Gardner)

Variants available in 9x19, 9x21, 45 ACP, 40S&W, 41AE
with and without compensators in SA or SA/DA.

I have heard that the early Italian TZ-75s were not quite
as good as the original Czech models, but that they have been
improved since then.

Please send email as I am going on vacation and I don't want
to miss your valued responses. If there is sufficent interest
I will post more info or a summary.


-- 
Greg Booth BSc                    |     /_____________________________
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From: callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Weapon for defense from cows
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:20:47 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Nov21.134449.10187@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
#I've got a self-defense situation that's a little different from most
#of the ones I see here. It's cows.
[discussion of what to use against cows deleted]

Personally, I would suggest using the same thing ranchers do in tight
quarters (like in the stock yards); either a bullwhip or the good, 
old-fashioned non-lethal cattle prod. If you shoot a cow, you're
very likely to be held liable for the rancher's loss (which can amount
to no small amount of change), even if it is on your property.
A cattle prod or bullwhip is almost always going to work against
cattle, except in a stampede--but if you're caught in one, you'll
have the choice of climbing a tree or kissing your @$$ goodbye--an
AK47 with AP rounds won't help you there...
If you're likely to meet them amongst the trees, like you said, a
good, sturdy cattle prod should do nicely, as you'll have a tree
to hide behind while zapping the not-so-little bugger as he goes
by, rather like a toreador. Cattle prods work well against all sorts
of cattle, but they have to be within three or four feet (there're 
probably longer cattle prods available, but most of the ones I'd
see when I went to the Cow Palace with my grandfather were about
four feet long (and very effective, even against those 2-ton
Brahma bulls).
Besides being a potential legal hassle, it's also a little bit cruel
to kill a cow just because you got in its way....or is that too PC
for you? :-)

				James

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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Get Out vs. Freeze ( was: Re: Bad tactical position)
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:15:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <199211170051.AA12286@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com> kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
#In article <1992Nov16.112309.1032@email.tuwien.ac.at> holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)) writes:
##....
##IMHO, the best course of action is to leave  a  suspect  a  clear
##possibility  to  escape.  If I found somebody inside my flat, I'd
##yell "GET OUT  HERE  OR  I  SHOOT  YOU!  OUT  NOW!",  instead  of
##"FREEZE!" or something similar.
#
#This looks like a very good idea to me. How come I'd never thought
#of that? ;) I've never seen/heard people using that either.
#Are there any drawbacks of using this method?

While this is a very tempting option ... I can't help thinking
that it invites the person to 1)  Move.  2) Turn away from you
so you can't see their hands/inside their coat.  3)  Come back 
later for revenge.

#1 is a problem, since a person in motion can do a lot more than one at
rest.  #2 is a problem since they can grab a hidden weapon and use it
while shielding it from your view with their body.  #3, well, you know...

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com (Lawrence V Cipriani)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glocks and Lead Bullets?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:20:13 GMT
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.

In article <19389@smoke.brl.mil> gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
#
#>n article <1992Nov17.210359.5084@cbnews.cb.att.com> lvc@cbvox1.att.com (Lawrence V Cipriani) writes:
#>I believe the problem above is due to the polygonal barrel in 9mm Glocks.
#>The big-bore Glocks do not have a polygonal barrel ...
#
#Is that really true?  Certainly the .40S&W models have so-called

That's what I read in some gunzine a while ago, but apparently
it is not true.  I double checked with a Glock 21 owner, he took
a look and stated it does have a polygonal barrel as well.

That "improved" barrels for the Glocks are being manufactured is
rather amusing; I've also read of "improved" bullet designs for
the Glock.
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Gun for Sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:32:28 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)


This message is for a friend who does not have any net access, so you
can reply to me.

For Sale: Ruger GP100 (.357 Magnum) 4" barrel, stainless, New, in box.
$330 plus shipping if outside Los Angeles area.

The story is that she bought the gun and then her father found a gun
that he wanted to buy, but he could only justify it if he sold one of
his guns (Both Colt Pythons). He offered to sell his gun to her at a
good price. She has not picked up the GP100 yet (Nov. 30th), but the
store charges a 20% restocking fee and since I don't like that store I
would prefer that the store not make such a profit. If she does not
find a buyer she will do that. Selling it this way saves her some money
and also saves the buyer some money.

Also needed is a FFL in the LA area and whereever the buyer happens to be.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I would also like
info from a FFL on all the details of what the transaction is. I have
some idea, but I just want to make sure. The gun can not be transfered
until after Nov. 30th.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

Sierra Club Leader	NRA Life Member		Pro-freedom	Pro-choice

e-mail address: kemasa@ghost.hac.com
From: scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:10:05 GMT
Organization: ScylaxCorp


magnum@mimsy.umd.edu

# .. Glock operation ...

<It half-cocks.  You cannot cock the gun using only the trigger. 
<You cannot cock the gun without moving the slide.  If you hit a dud
<you cannot hit it again using only the trigger*.  When this is
<the case, you know you have a sigle action gun, _a gun whose trigger
<cannot fully cock and release the hammer_.

If it half-cocks with the trigger.  How come I have a fully cocked
gun and not a half-cocked one when I squeeze the trigger

Listen, this could be endless as long as your definition of single 
action keeps changing. Before it was "the trigger cocks the gun"
That, the Glock _does_.  Now if you extend the definiton to "if you hit
a dud...".   No, you are right, the Glock can't do that.  This will 
never be clear cut.  Because the Glock has some operational features 
typical of DA, and some of SA.   That's why you and I ought to be happy 
with "safe action" as a description.  Now to belabor the point: since
I hit duds very rarely, the Glock is _effectively_ double action
most of the time, and, conceding your point, single action whenever
I hit a dud.  Happy?
From: slh@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: j&g sales
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:14:22 GMT
Organization: N.O.N.E.


	This is a followup to an article I posted about a month ago.
	I posted asking about j&g sales (they advertise in SGN).
	I got response from three people.
	Basically the only bad thing anyone had to say about them
	was that he had ordered ammo from j&g and
	some of it was reloads and
	that one box of it had tin cases and
	he had cracking problems with a few of these tin cases;
	the ad didn't say it wasn't reloads, but it didn't say it was either.

	I went ahead and order:
		a ``Bausch and Lomb family'' (sp?) spotting scope and
		a case (1440) of 7.62x39.
	I mailed my order (using a money order for payment)
	on a Tuesday afternoon, UPS delivered on the next Friday;
	fairly fast, though slower than the sales person indicated.
	I haven't had a chance to try either item out yet.
	The ammo looks fine (old Chinese surplus).
	The scope looks fine, but is a Jason, not a B&L;
	maybe somehow their phrasing justifies this
	(is Jason somehow related to B&L?),
	but I thought it was misleading in any event.