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From: roakes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rick Oakes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Keystone Promotion
Summary: attempt to attract front range skiers
Keywords: arby's coca-cola coupon
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:06:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

From the Denver Post, Tuesday 13 Oct 92:

Keystone will distribute 350,000 coupon books along the Front Range this 
season.  Coupons include discounts on lifts, lessons, and rentals.

Realizing that Front Range skiers account for 35% of their business, even
higher in early season, they have decided to go after those skiers who
"were skiing other areas last year, to get back to Keystone this year."

There is no charge for the coupon books; they will be distributed with 
any purchase at 35 Arby's locations and in 12 packs of Coca-Cola Classic.

The program, called "Ski Thang", offers lift tickets as low as $15
at Keystone and A-Basin.

Booklets are available through 18 December, but can be used throughout
the 92-93 season.


A radio, television and newspaper campaign will begin Thursday, again
featuring "Ernest" as a pitchman, returning after a successful run
last year (yes, Ernest as in Ernest Goes to Camp).


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From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:52:55 GMT

>OK, I'm pulling another Cinton.  You're right here.  I have experienced
>particular backcountry crusty conditions where my partner on skinny
>free-heal skis had an advantage over my short-fat-locked-heal-skis with
>Ramers.  But during the uphill part of that day, the short-fats had the
>advantage (and I ended up breaking trail almost all the way as a result
>-- aha, I see what you mean.  The skinny skis really are an advantage!)   

>-- 

>-Wayne Trzyna
> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU

	I've found just the opposite to be true quite often here in the
Cascades;  the problem being not so much in width as in length.  For the
last 2 years I used mostly Randonee gear, (180's) and skied with people on
longer (205's) skis, with both alpine (with Nordic bindings, of course) and
Nordic skis.  Particularly in conditions where there was a thin coat of new
snow over an icy layer, the short skis couldn't hold enough snow to
support me on the uphill traverses, so I floundered around while everyone
else skinned up with very few difficulties.
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:17:44 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct14.090655@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
>|> Further, Val D suffers from a bit of bottlenecking, a lift bottleneck
>|> in the morning going up, and a piste bottleneck in the evening coming
>|> down.  (The only thing to recommend Val D in my opinion is the night
>|> life, if that's important to you.  Tignes is definitely the 'skiing'
>|> base.)  
>
>That can't be overemphasized. If somebody is looking for a place ,
>mind you, not party ,  just have a cup of coffee, Tignes is out.
>It is just a huge concrete apartment complex , quite similar in
>appearance to low-income housing project in US , although located in
>the middle of the breathtaking scenery.

Aw, that's a bit strong.  For sure, it's not a scenic old village which
just happened to turn into a ski resort, but it's not THAT bad.  (We
had no trouble finding nice little cafes to sit around in.)  And Tignes
La Lac is ALMOST a sweet little village.  (Your description sounds like
the way I describe Flaine. :-)  Still, it is definitely true that the
primary attraction is the skiing, and that there are better places to
go if what you're after is the night life.

>For a US  tourists trying to  get to know French a little : there are
>more Brits in Val Thorens then French. 

This has its up-side, in that it means that a higher percentage of the
resort staff speak (fairly reasonable) English, which can be very handy
if you don't speak French.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:22:28 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Oct9.011832.25964@trl.oz.au> harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
>Hey, the first time I skiid in the US, way back in '83, people would
>ask where I was from, and I'd say Australia.  A few times, people
>thought I said "Espagnol", despite no trace of Spanish accent in our
>previous conversation.  Others would start talking about Europe,
>thinking of Austria.  Some were amazed to find it was summer down here
>while it was winter over there (I pointed out it was 42deg C when I'd
>left home).

Ahhh, memories...

"So, where are you from?"
"New Zealand"
"And you came all the way here to ski?  Isn't the skiing any good
in New Zealand?"
"Oh, it's very good, but it's summer now"
"Really!  So when do you have Christmas?"

...or...

"Oh - you speak very good English"
What can you say?  "Why thank you, I've studied hard."

...or...

"New Zealand huh?  Are there many Christians there, because really that's
the _most_ important thing, isn't it?"
I just wanted to say "No, most of the missionaries have been eaten by
the natives," but somehow it came out "Uh, yeah, whatever."

>By the way, our season has just about finished here.  It's been raining
>since Sunday, most mountains have closed, I've hung up my boots for
>now.
>Mt. Buller is still open, but the snow was fairly lousy on Sunday
>- very soft and very wet, it doesn't freeze overnight at this time of
>year.  No rocks.

That's too bad.  The latest news from Mt Ruapehu (North island, most of
the South Island ski areas have closed or are closing soon) is:

    Whakapapa
	- Closing 17 Nov.  Reopen 19 Dec to 31 Jan.
    Turoa
	- Closing 7 Nov.  Reopen Dec 26 to Jan 10.
	  Open weekends in between.

The conditions are still reasonably good.  It freezes overnight if the
ski is clear.  Afternoon conditions are very good for snowboarding (read:
not so good for skiing).  All runs are open, top to bottom.  The snow base
is ~3m.  Daytime temps around 5-10C.  My nose is sunburned.

>I'm considering coming over to CO or Utah in Feb, if
>I can find something not too expensive.

Vail?

>Dave Harsant,

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From: kyle@Ingres.COM (Kyle Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Utah boy misses home
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:41:15 GMT
Reply-To: kyle@Ingres.COM (Kyle Smith)
Distribution: usa

Hi everyone! As A transplant from the Wasatch to the Bay Area I miss the 
beautiful mountains of Utah terribly. How's the weather back there? Any dust
on those caps yet? Has the wind been out of the south blowing real strong all
summer? If so then get psyched for those facials!

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From: hollen@megatek.UUCP (Dion Hollenbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Please describe Purgatory
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:15:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

I have friends in Durango, Co. and they are close to Purgatory.  Could
someone please give me some info about it?

1)	Proportion of green, blue, black runs?
2)	How big is it (would an advanced intermediate get bored in
	a couple of days)?
3)	What kind of facilities (eating, lockers, etc.).
4)	Ticket Price?
5)	Any insider hints?

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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:13:48 GMT
Subject: Re: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown) writes:

> I love my Saloman SX92 E's but that's my feet. Your feet may vary.

 My feet vary. I hate my Salomon SX92 Es.

 ..glen "Rossi-foot"

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.155518.12197@col.hp.com> rstern@col.hp.com
(Richard Stern) writes:
>russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
>>I've never seen a Texas skier. Are there special noteworthy characteristics? 
>
>The men wear cowboy hats while skiing.

Oh, you have to be careful.  I was in Aspen once with some other Ames people
and these CA-natives wore cowboy hats at times.  Sorry, but a few escape.

>The women usually have jackets
>with big furry collars and wear tons of makeup and red lipstick (and often
>furry mittens or gloves). Neither would be caught dead with a hat or goggles.

Gee, I recall this one woman in Sun Valley once, yuck.  Just stood around
all day, paid for a lift ticket and everything.  Helped Idaho's economy
at least.

>Not all Texans are like this, though.  It's the difference between 
>a Texas skier (tm) and a skier from Texas.

Agreed.

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From: baggs@zach.fit.edu ( Rhoda A. Baggs)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Would like info about Steamboat Springs, CO
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:31:07 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

I would appreciate any info on STEAMBOAT SPRINGS as I am travelling
there for the first time Dec 14-21.  In particular I'm interested in
hearing about:

1)  snow that early?  conditions, base, etc.

2)  fun bars to go to, restaurants worth mentioning and overall
    social life there

3)  gondolas?

4)  how cold is it at the times mentioned?  below zero alot?

5)  I'm staying at a place called Waterford... details like how
    close to the resort, village, etc. would be appreciated

ANY other info would be appreciated.  Either post or write directly.

Thanks!

Rhoda Baggs

rab@cs.fit.edu
or
baggs@zach.fit.edu
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mail Order Companies..
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:51:09 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, martun@tan.Princeton.EDU (Mehmet Artun) writes:

> Hi, I am looking for a mail order company for buying skiing equipment
> like skis, boots, bindings etc. 

 Please sumarize to the net. This is stuff that belongs in the FAQ.

 ..glen
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From: yury@bknightjpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Open???
Distribution: usa
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:06:32 EST
Organization: Blue Knight Productions

Hmmm I just heard a little radio comercial that states that Killington in
Vermont is open??? Is this true... I know that the weather can not be that
much different the lowest it has been is 40 here at night in NY so can
anyone confirm this please???

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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:18:21 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct15.162057.28065@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.133706.17132@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>>
>>>But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?
>>>
>>Most.  You are more stable when you are lower to the ground.
>>This becomes quite obvious skiing Mary Jane.
>>
>>--Chris
>
>What??  I basically agree with what Wayne has been saying, and I was also
>interested in the answer to this question.

I think what John means is this: The lowest position to the ground is
after the skier falls.  At Mary Jane this is a very stable position indeed,
since the runs are not very steep there.  Contrast this with Snowbird, for
example, where the fallen position may not be so stable.  In fact, at
Snowbird the fallen position can be quite life-threatening on some runs;
uncontrolled spindrift-blinded *tumbling acceleration*, rocks, trees,
stumps, cliffs, thoughts of, "Man, I really screwed up this time.  This
could be the big one!  If -- blu-blump -- I -- blu-blump -- could just
-- blu-blump -- keep my -- blu-blump -- feet down-hill then -- blu-blump
-- maybe I could -- blu-blump -- stop -- blu-blump blu-blump blu-blump..." 

>I always assumed that the advantage [of telmark skis] was in climbing
>and traversing and maybe in conditions only found in backcountry skiing.

Good summary of the advantages.

To think I promised myself I wasn't going to participate in rec.skiing
this winter.  Gads, if I don't quit wasting time posting this drivel and
get back to work I'm going to be here all night.  Anyone know of a good
therapist?

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: mark@pdx.csd.mot.com (Mark O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:22:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcspdx.1389
Reply-To: mark@pdx.csd.mot.com (Mark O'Shea)
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR

It seems to me the option to buy either a "smart" ticket or an unlimited
ticket would a good choice for a ski area operation.  On the occasional
week day where I get to go and there is no crowd, I would opt for the
unlimited and get my cost down to under $.50 a run.  On the opposite
end of the spectrum I would buy the "smart" ticket (e.g., the week end
when lines are 20 min+).

MT Hood sure looked pretty this morning.

Mark O'Shea
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boots recommendations wanted
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:13:39 GMT
	<dogar.718299024@opal4> <1992Oct6.180850.25738@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 18:08:50 GMT, snarfett@athena.mit.edu (Nicole A Harris) said:
N> Tecnica-Italian

True.  However, as a bit of trivia, the incredibly successful "cut-throat"
boots from Technica (starting with the TNT and expanding from there) were
designed at Technica's US headquarters in Vermont (I think it's in Vermont --
anyone know?) as the first design of a racing coach turned mechanical engineer.
--
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From: clindh@abalon.se (Christer Lindh)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:52:17 GMT
	<1992Oct14.165849.6783@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
	<LAUNCE.92Oct14163358@apollo.med.utah.edu>
	<Oct15.031507.60154@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: Abalon AB, Stockholm, Sweden


In an article trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>   Is there an advantage of some sort for dropping into that silly
>   telemark position? 
>
Maybe not on the kind of skiis and boots ski-area pinners use. But try
forcing skinny touring skiis into parallel in slushy show... Then send us
the pictures.
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From: wbb@pajaro.berkeley.edu (Bill Baringer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Two-way radios on the slopes
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:14:19 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: pajaro.berkeley.edu
Keywords: radio

In article <1992Oct9.041843.9794@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:
>
>I wonder whether any readers would like to share comments about the use
>of two-way radios on the ski slopes.  I find them to be very handy.

I use ham band (2m) radios back-country tele-skiing all the time.  It basically
let's me go bag peaks alone after leaving the lunch crowd, and I can check
in to let them know that I'll probably not be back in time for dinner....
Very appropriate for back-country groups travelling at different rates.

However, this ought to spark the annual "no-cellular-phones-in-the-back-country
especially-if-you-hope-to-use-it-for-a-rescue-safety-net" controversy.

bill
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SNOWBOARDING: Looking for Variplates...
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:24:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Does anyone have a pair of BURTON VARIPLATE hard bindings for sale?  I
am looking for a 1992 or older.  The new 1993 plates wont fit on my
AsymAir.  I dont want to pay full retail for it if I dont have to.  

Anyone have any experience with the KASTINGER CARVER's?  Just curious.

e-mail to gen.kanai@dartmouth.edu

thanks in advance
From: RiViT@cup.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Site Swap Notation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:25:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

OK... I know I'm going to start something like a "Read the FAQ" or
"FTP to moocow" barrage, but...  I have no idea how to "read" site
swap notation nor do I have the means to get a hold of documentation
on such things - except, of course, to post here.

Can someone please post and/or mail documentation for the notation - I'm
sure it would probably benefit more than just myself.

Thanks in advance!

Russell

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From: jhk1@cec2.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:10:01 GMT

	Sorry about the double posting.  Something is wrong back here at
home in Wash U.
	Something else that might help:  Work on the half shower with three
making your throw higher and higher over the top.  Eventually you should 
"feel" where another ball should go.
	
	-- Jon Krivitzky
From: jhk1@cec2.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:15:45 GMT

	What I discovered about the four ball half shower when I learned
site-swap is that the five throws should be EXACTLY the same as where it
feels comfortable in a three ball shower (51).  If you've got this pattern
down pat (as you probably do) the '5' throws in a 4ball half shower should be
easily done.
	What was said about the '3' throw being low is true also.  Remember
that a five throw is actually about four or five times HIGHER than a '3'.
The low throw will have to get to the other hand relatively quick in order
to maintain the pattern.
	Good Luck!

	--- Jon Krivitzky
From: jaffray@beirut.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 5 ball half shower
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:09:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Reply-To: jaffray@math.uchicago.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct08.145855.8958@rchland.ibm.com> andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger) writes:
>Since everybody is talking about the half showers, does anybody
>have any hints for the 5 ball half shower?  I can handle the 4 ball
>half shower (and the 4 ball shower) pretty well and have tried the 5 ball
>half shower with only limited success.  How does one start? I have tried
>3 balls in the right hand and 2 in the left.  Throw the first one in the
>right hand real high then sort of start the 4 ball half shower.  I have
>only been able  to keep this going for 6 or 7 throws.  Any hints?

IMHO, the key thing to remember with the 5-ball half-shower is that the
height differential between the upper and lower arc is less than with
the 4-ball half-shower.  This kind of makes sense, at any given point in
a 4-ball half-shower there are two balls in the upper arc and one in the
lower (and one being thrown), while in the 5-ball half-shower there are
two in each arc.  Thus while your left-hand throws in the 4-ball pattern
are very low, in the 5-ball patterns they should be higher (since the lower
arc needs to be longer, to contain both balls).

So, my suggestion would be to get the right hand throws "high", not
"real high", and to get the left-hand throws to a reasonable height.
If you can do a 5-ball cascade, it's just a matter of experimenting
before the timing of the half-shower "clicks".  And it does look very
nice...

Just noticed that my half-shower is a glorified 5, not the 73 of which
others speak.  Should have realized this earlier, since I can switch
back and forth between the cascade and half-shower... but it does
work, and it does look half-showerish.  Perhaps there are multiple
patterns that look like a half-shower?  (And 73 needs some sort of
startup, doesn't it?)

Good luck,

Alan
From: mjn@jet.uk (Mark J Neale)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: "The Catch" - new British Juggling magazine
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:54:37 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

For those of you who haven't yet seen it, there is a new magazine
being published in the UK specifically for jugglers. It's called "The
Catch" and is published quarterly, the first issue came out in
September, the next is due sometime around the beginning of December.

If the magazine is to be a success, and I very much hope it is, then
as many people as possible need to support it. Subscribe. Get your
friends and their friends to subscribe. Send them letters, articles,
details about where and when you juggle and forthcoming events you
want to publicise.

If you want to subscribe then send a 6 pound (sterling) cheque with
your name and address to:

The Catch
Moorledge Farm Cottage
Knowle hill
Chew Magna
Bristol
BS18 8TL

Specify whether you want your subscription to start with issue 1
(sept-nov), 2 (dec-feb) etc.
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