HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:52:10 GMT

bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow) writes:

>In article <aelman.721358597@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>>
>>Again, the only reason that the U$C Band plays with all these artists,
>>TV, movies, etc. is because _you're_in_LA_!!!!!  

>UCLA's also in LA.

OK, so it's also that they're funnier-looking than the UCLA Band. :-)
And better at what they do (the only compliment you'll hear from me
about the USC Band. :-)

>>Again, the Stanford Band's purpose is to entertain -- sometimes, we
>>hit, sometimes we miss.  The U$C Band's purpose is to annoy, and they
>>almost ALWAYS hit.  If you want that to mean that the U$C Band is
>>better, that's fine for you.  Just don't play Conquest again in my
>>general direction.
>>
>>23-9,
>>Adam Elman
>>aelman@cs.stanford.edu

>I think the bay-area college football fans purpose is to annoy.
>Sheesh, however annoying the SC band may be during games, you guys
>sure make up for it.  How many ways can you arrange 23-9.  9-23,
>23  9
> |  |
> 9 23.

>Win your first game against SC at home in 20 years and you go nuts!! :)

>Stan

Yeah, well...A 20-year losing streak does that to you sometimes. :-)

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Reggie Brooks for Heisman
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:38:49 GMT
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In article <lfqaeeINNh10@cronkite>, andy@sunloop.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.163244.16264@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>>	People can say all that they want about Marshall Faulk, Garrison Hearst,
>>Gino Torreta, and the rest, but IMHO Reggie Brooks deserves some serious
>>consideration for the Heisman.
> 
> Hmmmm,  first Mirer,  Bettis,  now Brooks.  Why don't we just give it to the
> ND MVP ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Andy Knipp                    |
> Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
> Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
> andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |


Sounds good to me.

					-Mike Traynor

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:37:52 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov13.033312.24970@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

| In article <1992Nov12.171026.25235@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com  
| (Debra Sullivan) writes:
| > what wimps those Irish are!  God knows they should get anything they
| > want.  I would love to see them play Miami but I know it will never
| > happen, Miami would KILL them.
| 
| Probably with a switchblade.

 Lou Holtz would space out again and put a headlock on the Ref.  It time
 for Lou to retire, before he makes the leprechauns look more foolish.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:05:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.151044.62187@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.175812.14453@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov09.142148.15310@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov9.020341.25233@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK) writes:
>>>>Um, actually, it wasn't the player's fault. He was told by "Mr. Choke" Bowden
>>>>to try and make something happen. Of course, the wrong thing happened. Just
>>>>another screw up by everybody's so-called "saint". Don't go blaming players
>>>>for the fuck-ups of moronic coaches.
>>>
>>>Well, you can easily fault Mr. Bowden for the call, but I don't remember 
>>>seeing him suited up and dropping the ball.  As I remember, the player 
>>>fumbled the ball...  Maybe it is just a faulty memory, but even though the
>>>idea was bad, the execution was worse...
>>
>>That's not the point. The point was that it was simply a stupid call. The 
>>field position the kicker was punting from would generally mean that the ball
>>will go into the endzone (I assume this 'cause they don't have a really great
>>punter). This would mean that FSU would have the ball at the 20 yard line...
>>which, by the way, would probably have been their best starting field position
>>in the whole damn game. From that vantage point their last drive may have
>>actually had a chance. Instead, they had to take a safety and give the ball to
>>Miami. It's just a stupid call on the part of the coaches.
>
>Again, Mr. Bowden did not tell his played to "fumble the ball".  He may have
>told him to run it out, and though you may disagree with the call, if the
>player would have handled the ball, he may have been able to get some good
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is highly unlikely. The kick was a very solid on e and the miami special
teams pursuit was there. At best Cory would have gotten to the 20 or so. The
coaches needed to look more carefully at the situation and go with the 
numbers. They did not, and the team suffered from it. My guess is that even if
he had successfully fielded the ball, he would not have gotten great yardage.
Considering where FSU started most of its drives in the game, I think it 
would have been preferable to take the ball at the twenty...with no fumble and
no safety. But then that would make too much sense.

>yardage.  As it was, the PLAYER fumbled the ball, thus giving Miami the 
>safety and the ball.  
>-- 
>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"

Kevin
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sad Anniversary this Saturday
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Nov12.225152.28943@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
> 
> This Saturday, November 14, marks the 22nd anniversary of the worst
> sports-related disaster in American history.  On this date in 1970, a
> Southern  Airways DC-10 carrying the Marshall University football team,
> coaching staff,  and most of the booster club home from a game at East
> Carolina University  crashed short of the runway in Huntington, WV, killing
> all 75 people aboard-- including the entire coaching staff and all but three
> varsity players.

There was an excellent article in SI several years ago about this
disaster.  Check it out if you get the chance, and it will be worth
your while.

> In the year prior to the crash, Marshall had been placed on probation for
> recruiting violations and had been banished from the Mid-American conference.
> The program had not had a winning season since 1964, and did not have another
> until 1984.  In fact they were, statistically speaking, the losingest
> Division I football program in the decade of the seventies.

Not the way I'd choose to clean up a crooked program.  Though Debbie
might have some suggestions for Auburn...

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Washington vs. Arizona
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:33:50 GMT

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In <5dA=Ra+@engin.umich.edu> chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:


| In article <1992Nov7.234859.28700@u.washington.edu>, baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
| > In my previous post, I meant to say: "The dispute over #1 is over!!"
| > :) | > -Behzad
| > 
| 
| 	Yes, Miami is number #1 if they can hold off everyone else.
| 
| 	I am bummed out, but the season is not lost.  The Huskies with
| this streak thing off their back have a chance now to concentrate on 
| what is really important - the Rose Bowl.
| 

Arizona cast the decisive vote.  The delegation from South Florida accepts
your resignation from the 1992 National Championship Race.  We look forward
to Washington taking out Michigan in the Rose.  

For two seasons Washington and Miami have been locked in a college
football duel.  Every week was the AP/USA poll.  It was almost two years
of weekly comparisons.  Who would blink first.  Last year a Washington
Radio Station put up four billboards at the Orange Bowl,  that had a 
picture of a Huskie (dog) looking over a dog bowl of tiny Hurricane helmets.
" The captions was #1 is going to the Dogs.  "

Every game we hoped Miami scored enough points to move up in the polls.  We 
didn't even have to worry about that 1-point win by Miami over Arizona.
Students at UM were dancing and screaming, after Arizona upset UW.  

In a way the Huskies keep Miami focused every week.  The Huskies and the 
polls were just ome more adversity in a season of adversities to overcome.

| 	Go Huskies! -  Onward to Rose Bowl!
| 
| - Chung Yang
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:53:27 GMT

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In <1992Nov6.231312.27332@b11.b11.ingr.com> mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:

| 
|     Alabama and Miami have met 14 times.  Alabama has won 11 and lost 3 in
| the series.  Miami wins came in 1954 at Miami (Alabama finished 4-5-2), 1955
| 
True a long time ago Miami was bad, and Bama was very good.  

|    So, it is clear that Alabama would be scared to play a team they have so
| thoroughly dominated.  Perhaps we caught too much criticism about playing a
| patsy and that is why the series was stopped.  Or, perhaps Miami asked for it
| to be stopped for mercy's sake?

So Miami is a patsy.  Let's talk the last ten years.  This is a list of
the best records in football for three straight years starting in 1982.

No.	Team		Record		Years

1.	Miami		32-1-0		1985-87
2.	Miami		32-1-0		1986-88
3.	Miami		31-2-0		1987-89
4.	Oklahoma	31-2-0		1985-87  ( Guess who beat them ;-> 
*Note: Miami beat Ok 1985 27-14, and again in 1986 28-16
5.	BYU		33-3-0		1983-85
6.	Nebraska	32-3-0		1982-84  ( Guess who took 1 of 3)

Also, note that if Miami goes 12-0 this year we have a new spot on this 
little record.  The Canes would then be 34-2 from 1990-92.


This year we played a Big-10, Pac-10, ACC, SWC, WAC, BE, and a Ind.(PSU).
Miami hasn't played a SEC team regular season in 1991, 1990, 1989, 1988.
We have to go back to 9/5/87 when Miami beat Florida 31-3 to find a
SEC team.  But, we all know what happen then.

So Guy, tell be why you think no one in the SEC will play Miami?

You, know our opinion.


| Hurricanes are a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.

Even at low tide.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: MAJOR NEW CONFERENCE PROPOSED
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:46:53 GMT

In <199211052103.AA09635@tuna.wang.com> WILLIAM.S.BILL.W.ZUK@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("William S. Zuk") writes:
[snip]

>THE NEW CONFERENCE PLANS TO BE KNOWN AS THE BUSH LEAGUE.

And it will be larger than the Dukakis league, the Mondale league, and the
Re-elect Carter league put together.

(Once again, we have proof positive that Clinton fans can't even find a caps
lock key on their keyboard.) :->
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
From: gt5448b@prism.gatech.EDU (James Corbett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: grant teaff
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:29:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BxKuFM.BM3@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:

>Actually, at the Baylor-Georgia Tech game, Baylor had a field goal
>called now good by the "quality" ACC crew - several Tech players said
>after the game that they all thought it was good, and most of us were
>in the Tech section agreed.  ANYWAY, due to the publicity of the A&M
>complaint, Teaff told his team not to say a thing about the lousy
>call.

I listened to the Georgia Tech-Baylor game on the radio and Kim King, Tech's
color analyst, kept saying that the officials would make an initial call and 
then reverse the call without announcing it.  It made for a really difficult
time listening to the game.  For example, on Tech's last punt, when the 
receiver fumbled,  King said that the officials called that Tech recovered
and then gave to ball to Baylor without a signal. Did anyone at the game
notice anything that the announcers missed?  The field goal was also 
mentioned alot. 

>-- 
>Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
>"The 'wall of separation of church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
> history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.  It should
> be frankly and explicity abandoned." - Chief Justice William Rehnquist


-- 
--------
CORBETT,JAMES FRANKLIN   mail: gt5448b@prism.gatech.edu

It's a boring signature, but it's all I've got.
From: azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: WEEKLY S.E.C. STANDINGS
Date: 2 Nov 92 06:56:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA


    S.E.C. Eastern Division Standings

             S.E.C.  TOTAL
TEAM         W L T   W L T  Last Week's Results          Next opponent
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Georgia      5 2 0   7 2 0  LOST v. Florida, 26-24       at Auburn,11/14
Florida      4 2 0   5 2 0  WON v. Georgia, 26-24        v. So.Miss,11/7
Tennessee    3 3 0   5 3 0  LOST at S.Carolina, 24-23    at MemphisSt,11/14
S. Carolina  3 4 0   3 5 0  WON v. Tennessee, 24-23      v. La.Tech,11/7
Kentucky     2 4 0   4 4 0  LOST v. Miss.St, 37-36       v. Vanderbilt,11/7
Vanderbilt   1 4 0   2 5 0  --IDLE--                     at Kentucky,11/7

    S.E.C. Western Division Standings

             S.E.C.  TOTAL
TEAM         W L T   W L T  Last Week's Results          Next opponent
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alabama      5 0 0   8 0 0  --IDLE--                     at LSU, 11/7
Mississippi  4 3 0   5 3 0  WON v. LSU, 32-0             v. Memphis St.,11/7
Miss. State  3 2 0   6 2 0  WON at Kentucky, 37-36       v. Arkansas, 11/7
Auburn       2 3 1   5 3 1  TIED v. Arkansas,24-24       v. Georgia, 11/14
Arkansas     2 3 1   2 5 1  TIED at Auburn, 24-24        at Miss. St.,11/7
LSU          1 5 0   1 7 0  LOST at Miss, 32-0           v. Alabama, 11/7
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: #1 resolved!
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 20:37:33 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college

In article <TOMA.92Nov7194104@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>Well, looks like Alabama is #1... NOT! I hope Miami doesn't wimp out and
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>stay home over New Year's Day.
>--
>toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma
>

I like the phrase "wimp out".  Pretty much reflects what the Canes huh?

It does!

- Louis





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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: The REAL top five
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:16:18 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:


>1. Florida State
>2. Alabama
>3. Michigan
>4. Miami
>5. Notre Dame

>No, I'm not a Florida State fan.  In fact, I hate them and their
>stupid cheer and tommy-hawk chop.  It's just that I think they have
>the strongest team in the country.  Miami was lucky.  Alabama, I'm now
>convinced, could beat anyone with their defense.  Michigan has an
>offense that won't quit.  Miami has the luck of the, er, well they
>have luck.  Notre DAme is now playing as well as anyone.  As for
>Washington, they beat Nebraska, but then couldn't do anything this
>week.  Go figure.  Nebraska just might belong in the top five.  Texas
>A&M.  Um, well, um, who knows?  Maybe they're good, maybe not.  It's
>too hard to tell right now.



>Of course, I could be wrong.


YOU ARE !


>-Alan Harder
> 
>These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Re: C U Later!!! (was Re: Nebraska and patsies -- C U later)
Keywords: tiguzz
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:26:49 GMT

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:


>>CU later....

>HEY!!!!!THIS IS REELY NEATO STUF!!!111!!!!  MUSS BEE A BIG-ATE THING!!!!
>LEMME TRY!!!!!!

>'CU' later!!!
>'MU'nization!!!
>'OU' 812!!!
>'ISU' first!  'ISU' second!!!
>'KU' bar the door!!!
>College football is 'NU' face!!!
>Close only counts in 'OSU' and hand grenades!!!
>'KSU' chicken and an egg roll, please!!!


>-J.J.

ROFLOL!! :-D 
Thanks for the great laugh J.J.

--
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Comp. Sci. Graduate Student		compuserve: 	76146,2323
University of Nebraska at Omaha		AOL:		skipb
My Disclaimer: Any opinion I may have stated was purely unintentional!
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Organization: American Math. Society
	<X2A=70#@engin.umich.edu> <26091@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:52:55 GMT

In article <26091@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

   >> 	It it not arrogance.  Its percentages.  Do you seriously think
   >> that the team with the talent of the Huskies would play as poorly as they
   >> did against Arizona two weeks in a role?  

   >They didn't play poorly - they got their asses kicked by a better team. 
   >Arizona totally shut down the run and then played their bend but don't 
   >break pass defense and simply destroyed the Huskies...

You're deluding yourself.  Udub played poorly.  As neither an AZ fan
nor a UW fan, that is my impartial opinion.  That's not to take away
from AZ, who I think is one of the best teams in the nation right now.



-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Hobert, UW on the ropes.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 09:48:05 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov06.210206.36173@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>The really sad thing is you are right.  Don James has run, by all accounts,
>a clean and extremely successful program.  If UW gets sanctions placed against

This morning's paper said that the NCAA ruling will depend on
what the Wash. coaches knew and when they knew it.  Unfortunately,
it also said that some of the coaches knew that he had received
the money.
 
Anybody know an NCAA timetable for their investigation?
They usually aren't the swiftest of people (in more than one
sense of the word).

--
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
--
From: daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Alabama's Newest Problems: NCAA and Gene Jelks
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:21:23 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


I don't know if this information has already been posted to the net or
not.  Either way, here it is:

Excerpt from a story in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution,
Thursday, Nov.12, 1992.

"ALABAMA'S JELKS FOLLOWS PATH OF AUBURN'S RAMSEY"

"A year after Eric Ramsey stunned the Auburn football program with
secretly recorded tapes and allegations of illegal cash payments, former
Alabama captain Gene Jelks has produced tapes of his own alleging NCAA
violations by the Crimson Tide."

These tapes were provided directly to the Constitution and contain
conversations with former Asst. coach Jerry Pullen among others.

There is another interesting angle on the story:  Jelks' allegations
include his own mother, who he said "conspired" with Pullen to get him
to sign with Alabama.

Another story in the Constitution described the families fear for
themselves now that their son has gone public.  They fear that harm
might come to them.

I'm sure the story will be in _many_ other papers tomorrow.  We'll have
to see what comes of it.

Final quote from Jelks: "I want kids to know that Tide Pride is not all
what they think it is.  They buy and sell it.  And when they're through
with you, they kick you to the curb."


T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemsitry
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