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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Dougie-Poo
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 00:15:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: cold
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Keywords: {touch bin/smiles/#4}

In article <2697@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.205312.8062@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty aka Ninjam aka Who Cares...) writes:
>>allready, come over to Milwaukee tap your foot three times in
>
>	I used to know a horse that would do this.  You'd say "How many
>fingers am I holding up" and the horse would tap his foot...
>
>
>

	oooooeww!  that's cold!  you'd better watch out or marty aka ninjam 
(aka several yet to come.... {touch bin/smiles/#7} - *you* know!) will start in
on you next.  are you trying to gain a reputation in martial arts by this?
{touch bin/smiles/#1}
	of course, once marty aka nijam give you recognition, the next step is
to earn a nick name (reserved for only his favourite and most promising apostles- like me!  mine is 'dougie-poo')
	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-

	(beloved 'dougie-poo of marty aka ninjam, etc.)
From: lau@enel.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Edged weapons list
Date: 8 Apr 1992 13:56:57 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello-

How does one subscribe to the famed edged weapons list?

Thanks
c4

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From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:24:01 GMT

In article <8232@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
> Is this Jeff Cooper of Cooper's Corner fame? 
	
	Yup.

> If so, what does he know about hand to hand combat? 

	The original question specified "fighter", not "hand-to-hand expert"...

			:-)

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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Karate (first source)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:57:20 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <43413@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

>
>As per my original comments:
>
>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 90 09:20:55 PDT
>From: scheid@danzan.ebay.sun.com (David Scheid)
>Message-Id: <9006011620.AA00989@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM>
>To: martial-arts@dragon.cso.uiuc.edu
>Subject: re: Kempo and Karate
>
>Sarah writes:
>
>>And yes, the original Kanji was for chinese boxing, but Master Funakoshi
>>felt it no longer was a foreign art, that it had developed into a truly
>>separate, cultural art, and so re-named it kara-te (empty hands).
>

 This was not the question.

>At great insistence from the various Japanese ministers for cultural 
>affairs who did not wish to acknowledge the Chinese or Okinawan heritage.
>

  Still no sources, except those from an unknown source that someone is
alleged to have quoted.

>And let's not forget, that Funakoshi could not return to his homeland for
>over 30 years (somethig like that). This made him basically a captive, 
>although he lacked for nothing. 
>

 He was not a captive.  He lacked for a great many things. His family,
his friends, his revered teachers, who were not, by the way, Chinese,
enough money to live decently, and sometimes even food.

>
>What is at work is the propagandists. Karate is truly an Okinawan 
>form & even the Japanese cannot change that by changing the Kanji.
>

 Indeed, propagandists are at work.  At any rate your statement that
Funakoshi developed his art directly from the Chinese remains unsupported.
Attempting to side track the issue will not work.

>(Just a little peeve on my part - nothing personal to anyone. It was
>part of the nationalism of the times. Kind of like Hitler's ministers
>changing the foreign words into German words. Radio = Fernhoerer (not in
>use); television = Fernseher (current); telephone = Fernsprecher (current); 
>auto = kraftwagen (not in use, although Lastwagen for truck is).)

 Nazis? Already?

Osu!

Bud
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From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Inputs to this newsgroup
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:05:13 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

polinger@isis.cs.du.edu (patrisa olinger) writes:
> I am new to this system and have been reading some of the martial arts
> commentaries....there do not seem to be many (if any) women who have any
> opinions on martial arts.

	Hehehehehe...
	Its probably because the female martial artists don't enjoy
arguing as much as the males.
	For example, can the Barfing Dragon Punch beat the Dim Mak
Ankle Sweep? Can I accidentally kill someone while giving them a foot
massage?
	Can Karate/TKD/Striking folks handle Mr. U and Ms. V more
effectively than an Aikidoka? And, if I were surrounded by U, V and
all the other letters of the alphabet, which one should I attack
first? What if they had weapons? Or, worse yet, what if I ran into a
few Chinese characters in a dark alley?

	Is Taijiquan fattening? Which styles have the coolest looking
uniforms? What is the appropriate height for a TKD stylist?

	Opinions, opinions...isn't the net a wonderful thing?

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kata (was Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:42:30 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <MdtOUQi00UoJA4NGNc@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:

>JXT109@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennie) writes:

>> Again, I always took the above as a given.  Some people in my school have
>> been razzing me some, because I have gone back and spent quite a lot of time
>> on our first kata... they think I'm just trying to boost my ego or show up the
>> white belts or something.

>	Some folks spend their entire lives polishing only 2 or 3
>forms.

My favourite kata is one of the first in Shotokan, (THE first if you don't
count the Takyoku(sp?) kata), Heian Shodan.  What's good about the simple
kata is that it is difficult to fool anybody, least of all yourself, into
thinking you "know" it.

ob-ma: There was a competition not too long ago and a Shodan did 
Gojishioho-sho for the kata section.  The judges (albeit from wado-ryu,
and thus unfamiliar with the kata) missed the two moves he forgot.
As I said, sometimes you can hide in an advanced kata.
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From: toman@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (joseph toman)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:48:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.204053.2032@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>[....]
>I have a distinct preference for japanese blades myself, but I don't
>think that they are quite as invulnerable as many stories would make
>them seem.  (My sword has a small chip in the edge near the point,
>my instructor said he thought it was caused by either striking armor
>or bone)

Uh huh. Fess up now, you lost your bottle opener again, didn't you ?
Dammit man, if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times,
that's what the hand guard is for ! 

>
>Joel Stave
>stave@apollo.hp.com

Oh, yeah, :-) .
						J. Toman
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:58:09 CDT

In article <1992Apr10.194704.29611@apollo.hp.com> stave@frost.apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>In article <ogorman.702929015@unix1.tcd.ie>, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie
>(Lucifuge) writes:
>|> One thing which no-one seems to have mentioned is guards. I can't understand
>|> the guards on japanese weapons. They seem to offer absolutely minimal
>|> protection. European weapons seem (to me) to be vastly superior in this
>|> respect. Then again I know nothing...
>|> 
>|> Ollie...
>
>According to my kenjutsu instructor the guards are more to keep
>your hands from sliding down onto your own blade, than to keep another
>blade off your hands.  A lot of the guards are made from brass, bronze
>or copper and are not particularly thick or solid and would be quite
>easy to cut through.


... also the tsuba (guard) is used to control the blade. Women's blades
don't have a tsuba, so to use a woman's blade, you have to learn to do the same 
moves without 'cheating' by manipulating the blade with thumb pressure on the
tsuba. 

(smugly)
-Lauren
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:26:15 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <Vdk+_A-@engin.umich.edu> hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert) writes:
>In a previous article, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) wrote:
>> Ah yes, the old story of the 'white belt turns black thru the
>>rigors of practice".  Charming, but a fairy tale, I'm afraid. The
>>white/black belt system in Japanese karate was inherited from Judo,
>>where it had been deliberatly implemented.  Most of the other colors
>>got started so that people would get promoted often enough to have
>>their egos massaged.
>
>Site sources, please.  This one is too good to be forgotten.

Site? Why, this one of course. *OH*, you meant "cite". Off the top of my
head, I'd suggest you check out Draeger's Budo and Bujutsu series.
Kano *invented* the kyu/dan ranking system (originally there were only
5 dan ranks, BTW). Funakoshi adopted the system when he went to Japan.
Many ko-ryu don't use the system at all, preferring to stick with the
older practice of issuing "menkyo" for various levels of proficiency.
As far as all the cute, spiffy colors are concerned...there are a few 
people on this group (and Bud *is* one of them) who have been training 
long enough to recall when *most* karate styles only used white/black,
white/brown/black, or white/green/brown/black. I think it's a little
gaudy and undignified, myself...but hardly the most flagrant example
in American martial arts. I'm still unhappy that *we* went from a 
6 kyu to an 8 kyu system.

A lot of us geezers still have trouble with seeing RED belts, since in
Judo this indicates a very high dan rank and on Okinawan it tends
to be used only for those of Hanshi (9th/10th dan) rank. Seeing some
13 year-old wearing one really *does* push my buttons, I'm ashamed to
say.

Steve
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:10:48 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Multiple attackers
	<1992Apr15.010926.15693@cs.brown.edu>

tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>   Now here is a (pathetically biased :) version of a bad way to do it:

	WOW, I'll say!

> 
>    U_/F   V      Foo blocks right arm strike.
> 
>    U<-F  V       Foo counter-attacks.  V closes in !
> 
>    U  F<-V       Foo turns around, V hits Foo.
> 

	Other folks have already pointed out that Foo is a dummy and
nothing prevents him from using the same movement pattern that the
aikido nage uses.
	And you are also under-estimating how fast
someone can move their limbs around! In the time that it takes to
perform a shihon-nage, and throw your uke-1 into uke-2, a skilled
striker could probably throw 2 kicks, one to the front, and one to the
back, or maybe block, counterpunch and back kick.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:05:09 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bruce Flame
	<1992Apr14.105113.877@gacvx2.gac.edu>

karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:
> expand the concepts of Jeek Kune Do which he learned from Dan, 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> not Bruce.

	Hmmm...sounds like Geek Kune Do...the way of the geek's
fist...
	"Whaddaya mean my account have been deactivated? BAM!"

> There's too much not allowed at point fighting tournaments to 
> make it effective at determining overall fighting skill.  Grappling
> and groundfighting happens very often in street fights.  I'll repeat:
> I don't think a reverse punch to the chest is the answer when 
> someone comes in and tackles you to the ground.

	Well, there's all kinds of tournaments. A Thai Tournament
fighter or the winner of the Sabaki Challenge are different from the
winner of some local _Battle_of_the_Smurfs_. (I would probably lose at
a BotS, but I would probably end up in an ICU if I tried the Sabaki
Challenge)
	The difference between tournaments "in the old country" and
many modern tournaments is the difference between the pro-wrestling of
Bruno Samartino (sp?), and the pro-wrestling of Hulk Hogan.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
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From: srs@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Scott R. Stonefield)
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:28:59 GMT

brankin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.rankin) writes:


>No, I don't iron my keiko-gi.  Wash, dry, fold neatly.  But then again,


Wash!!! we don't need no wash!!!

it is called, gas war-fare :-)

>I don't do demos at all, which I believe was what Steve referred to.
>>So, am I the only slob out there?

>Nope! :-)
 second... Do we now call for a vote?


>>--
>>Richard A. Drury                                    drury@helix.nih.gov
>>National Institutes of Health                                   

>-bill rankin
>wtr@bromo.att.com

-scott

...
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or
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: O'Sensei
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:47:14 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.170610.26131@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>
>  Quote from an Aikido beginner :
>
>  "Just who was this Oh Sensei and why does he have so many relatives ??"

My personal favorite:

	Funny, he doesn't *look* Irish...

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jayb@cpqhou.compaq.com (Jay Brinkmeyer)
Subject: Dangerous Pole! 
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:05:34 GMT


Help! I run a TKD school that has an 8" diameter structural support 
pole on one side of the workout floor. I can't move the pole, but I can 
cover it with a pad (like the kind used over football goal-posts). Does 
anyone know where I can find something like this? I imagine there must be
a company somewhere that makes these things...

Thanks in Advance,

Jay Brinkmeyer
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which Styles (Wing Chun)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:36:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr8.214350.15538@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>One thing I can add though,
>is that the student with the most senority is not always the one chosen for 
>Grandmaster.  From what I've seent there's been a number of times when
>a lower level senior student who is greater in skill or other such abilities
>is chosen (ie his wisdom or tolerance could be greater than a student with
>greater senority).   As always though it's up to Grandmasters judgement.

As a point of comparison, if my understanding is correct, it has
been customary in the Fukien shaolin lineage for a Grandmaster
to pass his lineage to a much younger student whenever possible.
The justification I have heard is that the heir of the
lineage is chosen to be responsible for ensuring that the
material survives to be passed on. For a Grandmaster to choose
an heir too close to his own age would make it too likely that
the heir might die before the Grandmaster, and so the heir
is often chosen from among a Grandmaster's youngest students.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Crush and maim (was: How to choose...)
Date: 13 Apr 1992 05:25:20 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Crunch, Break, Ow!

In article <1992Apr13.013445.12130@mcs.anl.gov> sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:
>In article <s5u4uINNi80@agate.berkeley.edu> I, Michael Robinson, write:
>>By the way, this was a counter to a wrist grab.  This to me illustrates the
>>difference between a combat art and a self-defense art like aikido.  On the
>>battlefield, you want to ensure that it is safe to turn your back on your
>>opponent, and you want to accomplish this as quickly as possible. In a
>>self-defense situation, however, you only want to neutralize a confrontation,
>>and you want to accomplish this with as little fuss and bother as possible. 
>
>Well, I guess I can forget those minor variations to standard Aikido 
>technique that my Sensei taught me that turn them into quick death for
>the attacker.  ;-)  Most have to do with guiding uke's head into the ground
>in a rather violent way.  Particularly effective on concrete.  Yuck.

Nor do I understand this apparent inferiority complex of Aikidoka.

"But we could hurt people if we wanted too!" they say.

First of all, one cannot deny that what aikidoka spend almost all their energy
doing is training techniques designed for use against one or a small group 
of essentially untrained assailants, with the intention of preventing medical
and/or legal action all around.

But more importantly, what difference does it make?  Even if every aikido
technique were certified 100% harmless, would this in any way devalue the
art?  Or somehow make it inferior to more ICU-oriented arts?

I've said before that, in our present time, the ability to defuse random
confrontation without serious incident is probably more useful than the
ability to prevail in hand-to-hand combat on the battlefields of feudal 
China (or Japan, for that matter).

Or, to put in another way: "So, the ones who didn't get their arms and legs
cut off were the ones who got the timing right?" (the response of a student
to whom I had just explained the use of the Chen-style jumping front snap
kick).


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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: True Martial Artists
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:52:21 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
Followup-To:      doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

In article <1992Apr7.190137.22563@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) says:
>
>>OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
>>it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
>>such a vehicle might have.
>
>I use the Chuck Norris Action Corvette myself.  Beats the heck out
>of the Bond car.  :)
>
>I usually take it for a spin with Chuck (Dressed in his action gi)
>and we go looking for hot female ninja babes (kunochi) roaming the
>streets.
>
>Sometimes He insists on Action Grip Gi Joe coming along but I begin
>to worry about that since I heard about that close relationship
>between Action Grip Joe and Jungle Jim. :)
>
>Marty


	somehow, i always suspected as much...
	as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

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From: yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ambujitsu
Summary: Ambujitsu :-)
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:28:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <8dvEK=C00iUyQ_FFEW@andrew.cmu.edu>, gy0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gwokang Yang) writes:
> Has anyone heard of the martial art ambujitsu? I just read an article on
> it in a magazine.

I believe that this art is a required course for EMT's. It originated in the
early seventys. It was developed by a team of EMT's who were studying jujitsu 
at the time. It seems that they needed an art that would help them in their
work and at the same time provide them with self defense ability. Since these
techniques were practiced in the field while riding in an AMBULANCE which
allowed them to toss patients in quickly without further injury it became
known as AMBUlance juJITSU or AMBUJITSU. :-) :-) :-)

Sorry I couldn't resist!
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