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From: mina@seas.gwu.edu (Mina E. Marshall)
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.025028.27010@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
>  
          Some paragraphs deleted...

>However, this leaves the domain of soc.culture.iranian.
>If anyone wishes to continue this debate, I am more than
>willing to do so in a more general group, such as
>soc.feminism, talk.politics.theory, talk.religion.misc,
>or soc.culture.arabic.
>

I as one am willing to carry this discussion on.  I agree with 
Loren.  We are dealing with a totaliterian regime in Iran, and 
as Loren, Agha Javad, Farhad and others have noticed, the 
followers of that regime (examples on the net are Seyyed, Ali
Baba, ..) adopt the totalitarian philosophy in their attitude.

In their view, (the regime and its followers), it is not  
enough to set certain rules and force the people to live 
by them (that would be dictatorship).  The totaliterian 
philosophy says I not only force you to live certain way, but 
I also force you to THINK like me.  

The fate of those who resisted such system was either death
or exile from their home land. 

>I will not, however, waste the time and bandwidth of those 
>who feel that this discussion is tangental to the mandate of 
>soc.culture.iranian.
>If anyone wishes to carry on, let me know.
>
>Loren King

Please don't feel you are "wasting" anybody's time ( or 
bandwidth!)  You usually have very interesting discussions.
by all means please carry on!

MINA
GWU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi)
Subject: Re: Persians versus Germans
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.034026.8527@math.toronto.edu> vahid@math.toronto.edu (Friedrich Kourosh Vahid) writes:
>I have been told that Persians originated from Europe. Is it part
>of Germany that they originated from?
>

In ancient times a tribe that was in the former Soviet Union split up
and took three different routes, leading it to what is now Germany,
Iran, and India.

But that is a long time ago. I spent a few days in Berlin this summer,
and none of the locals knew me :-) . In fact many of them did not like
me :-( . The anti-foreigner sentiment in Germany is real and runs very
deep right now.


Have a nice day

Mehran

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From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Bahais: Real or Economic Refugees?
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:43:33 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Bahais claim that

 1) In Iran, they have been deprived not only of religious     
    freedom and basic human rights but they are also being     
    harassed, prosecuted, and even killed at a massive scale only 
    because they have different religion.

 2) Because of that they have no choice but to flee from that  
    country.


*IF* above allegations are correct, then one could conclude that

  1) there should not be single Bahai left in Iran by now

  2) And there should be huge concentration of Bahais refugees 
    in the neighbouring countries.

BUT we see that even today maximum number of Bahai are in Iran
than any where else and there are minimal number of Bahais in 
neighbouring countries, like Pakistan, Iraq and the Gulf states.

This is quite contrary to what we saw when wars erupted in
Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, and Bosnia etc.  In these
cases there was a huge exodus of people from troubled countries
to neighbouring countries.  The number of people who got refuge
in west was negligible as compared to those who were lying
miserably in camps in surrounding countries.

In case of Bahais the number of people who are in  neighbouring
countries is inconsequential as compared to those who made their
fortune by entering the west.  Even if there are a few people in
these countries, they are using them as a transit on their way
to the west.  

Considering all that one thinks, aren't these people ECONOMIC
REFUGEES rather than genuine one and are all those claims of
torture just a way to get refugee status?

  
Warm regards to seekers of the truth,

Asad 
 
BTW: It is a general observation that a big share of people who
get refuge in the west come from those countries which are at odd
with the west.  Does it mean that human rights are well-respected
in all friendly countries?  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Don't blame me- I voted for Bill and Opus)
Subject: Please, anyone familiar with the Tajik language, help out!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 05:53:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

	The Russian and East Central European Studies Program at
	Colorado State University is designing a t-shirt, and we
need your help and assistance.  This is a fundraiser and it will
assist us to provide programs, as we receive no funding from the
university.  What is needed is this: can you translate the phrase
"RUSSIAN AND EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN STUDIES" into Tajik, or any 
other local language?

	You would really be helping us out.  Thank you for your time
and patience.

	Please respond directly to: fitch@lamar.colostate.edu

Sincerely,
Chris Fitch
R.E.C.E.S. Program, CSU
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: of baghals legends joojaahs and fingernails: thoughts about rn
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:08:31 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <BxKI49.9ps@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>there once were two wanna be and one not wanna be. the wanna be's names were
>javad and ali. the not wanna be was zafar. javad wanna be'd a baghal, ali
>wanna be a legend or a joojah, the problem was that he couldn't by an acura. it 
>caused alot of mental distress. so he ended up liking people like pat buchanan
>and other liers and hypocrites of the republican party. javad knew that he 
>couldn't be a baghal. he didn't have the milk for it. oh well. 
>along comes this very cool dude ala soc.culture.pakistan. he was not a 
>wanna be, wanna not bed a fingernail man. his name is very similar

hahahahahahahahahahahah!!! (rolling in laughter), aha, aha, HHAAHAHAHAhahaha,...


Very nice post zafar, thank you.  You have a good point, that soc.* separates
us all from each other.  Yeah, I know, I got carried away answering Ali 
Joojeh on the open network, the same place he assaulted me.  Like others
have said, relax!  That's why I suggested any further mudslinging not
be done on this valuable newsgroup and at the expense of our respected
readers, but rather by email, since I trust most people (including myself)
are not interested in this sort of crap. Amoo joon once said that the louder
and the more foul mouthed they become, the less seriously they are taken.
I couldn't agree more, so let me shut up right here.

I hope one day joojeh can buy an Acura, I can get some good cows and become
a good baghghal, and that you never become a fingernail man!

>--== not the fingernail man ==--
>zafar

chill out dude,

Agha Javad
(aspiring baghghal)

"Still the gunman rules and widows pay
A scarlet coat now a black beret
They that blood and sacrifice
Could out of death bring forth a life"

The Edge
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:56:54 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <12NOV199213254704@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.183057.5400@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes...
>>In article <12NOV199206532838@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:

>>>peacefully or asking other countries to help us. What we need
>>>to do is to kill all those goddam Arabs and Turks that act nice

>> 
>>Notice how conveniently he left out Iranians.  Whose payroll is this guy
>>on?
>> 
>>>
>>>Satan.
>>>
>>Isn't there a conflict of interest with Ahoora Joon here? hmmm..
>> 
>> 
>>Agha Javad
>> 
>
> What the fuck are you trying to be sarcastic of?

Fear Allah, satan!!  Learn how to talk like AdamizAd, and I'll answer you. 

>
>Satan.
>

Agha Javad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: AghA farhAd ham assabAni shod!
Organization: The Recall Division
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:57:10 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.184702.11126@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.005129.2055@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>
>>What is it when these, SCUM bag khomaini dog supporters , lose argument
>>they start insulting and threatening people!
>>
>>Mr King keep up the good work and ignore these low life brainless
>>hypocrite fenatics.  They'll be punished by their own GOD eventually!
>>
>>May God give you a PASGARDANI [(c) Seyyed] when you get to 
  ~~~ ^^^
>>the MehrAbAd airport!
>>
>>
>>Farhad

Seyyed I guess if there is one person who is wrapped in rabbit sleep is you.
Please read above. ~~~ meant to say it will happen.  ^^^ meant to say IRI.
'jenAb ghAzi I guess you don't understand either!' [(c) a joke, 91]

>Remember Mr. nAsser arabhA?

Farhad didn't; I didn't either.  Would you be kind and tell the net who
the person is and what happened to him, if any.  I only ask hoping your 
reference to this person has something to do with soc.culture.iranian.

>Now use your imagination, and whenever
>you decide to go to Iran, khoub passe gardaneto charb kon, because nokhost-
>vaziri guys might be waiting for you! dar zemn, ye dast pijAmeye rAh rAh, bA
>ye Alameh ketAb hamrAt vardAr tA hosselat sar nareh!

Seyyed, you better stop these public threats at sci.  You might end up
loosing your net privileges.  I am more concerend than just a loss of
account on a dumb computer.  You see the more threatening you become, the
less frightened people become too.  Then they begin to investigate and 
pretty soon they will learn you are a 'tabl-e too-khAli.'  Then, you become
less and less credible to the point of totally being ignored.

Now, why don't you imagine the following as another perspective:

The breezes of nokhost-vaziri indicate that they are waiting for you.  So
don't be surprized to receive the Golden pas gardani [(c) Seyyed, 92] at
Mehr-AbAd Airport.  This last message was brought to you by one of your
double-spy agents who is really concerened about you.  Mr. Y said IRI is
in the process of finalizing your "Recall" to its HQ's for they were very
concerend about the consequences of your actions and threats.  "We think
something went wrong during the brain-wash process, so by recalling the
subject we will try to fix the problem," the spokeman for the Recall
Devision secretly told Mr. Y.  :-)  :-)  An imagination only, right?

So here is your track record:


Credibiltiy
| * 
|  *
|    *
|       * 
|           *                   |
|               *   *   *   *  *|
|_______________________________|______
           Time (T, days)       |
                                |----------->  The Day of Recall.

Reghards,
Hooshyar


PS.  You haven't answered my last question.  Are you representative of IRI,
and if yes, can you produce your 'hokm?'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:53:00 GMT

 I am so happy! As a Kurd I'm sick of us trying to work things
peacefully or asking other countries to help us. What we need
to do is to kill all those goddam Arabs and Turks that act nice
as individuals, but are monsters when they're with their own
kind. Those Pesh Madgres are the only true heores left in the
Middle East!

P.S.
 Could you post the name of the Kurdish group that did it?

Satan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Amoo Noroz)
Subject: *** How to unzip for Farsi word processor***
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:08:52 GMT

Khanomha va Aghayan aziz:

I like to unzip the ARIA.ZIP and I do not have the utility. Please tell me
where would I find a copy of such utility and the instructions. 

Thank you so much,  khaily as komak shoma mamnonam,

   Naser
   email: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Oman, UAE Border Dispute -3-: Follows Saudi, Qatari Conflict
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:38:03 GMT

---
11/10 (DJ) Oman, UAE Border Dispute -3-: Follows Saudi, Qatari Conflict

    Radio Muscat reported that Oman's deputy premier for legal affairs,
Fahd al-Saeed, met today with the UAE ambassador, Hamad Sabet
al-Kuwaiti, ''to discuss the brotherly relations existing between the
two sister countries.''
    Oman is an active proponent of settling disputes in the region by
peaceful means. It has boasted with its neighbor Yemen of having settled
earlier this year the issue of demarcating their common borders, which
saw a bloody war in the Dhofar province in the 1970s.
    Oman's leaders are also using their goodwill in the various other
disputes that have flared recently in the region, including that between
UAE and Iran over sovereignty of three islands in the mouth of the
Straits of Hormuz.
    A desert border dispute between Saudi Arabia and Qatar flared on
Sept. 30 leading to the death of two persons, and a dispute on
territorial water boundaries between Qatar and Bahrain is at The
International Court in The Hague.
    Yousef bin Alawi, the Omani minister in charge of foreign affairs,
left for Saudi Arabia early today carrying a message from Sultan Qaboos
to King Fahd and saying it dealt with consultations on the situation
ahead of the annual Gulf Cooperation Council summit, usually held by
year-end.
    The GCC groups Saudi Arabia, Oman, U.A.E., Bahrain, Qatar and
Kuwait.
     3:28 PM
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Oman, UAE Border Dispute -2-: 1 UAE Person Killed, 6 Wounded
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:30:20 GMT

---
11/10 (DJ) Oman, UAE Border Dispute -2-: 1 UAE Person Killed, 6 Wounded

    MANAMA -AP- Another border incident has erupted among the countries
of the Persian Gulf region, this time involving a town on the border of Oman
and the United Arab Emirates, sources said today.
    The sources said shots were fired, one person from the UAE side was
killed and six people were wounded after Omani police intervened Sunday
when workers paving a road that runs through the border town of Dibba
overstepped their limits.
    Dibba is on the border of Oman and Sharjah, one of the seven
emirates that make up the UAE.
    The sources, speaking on condition that they not be named, said
helicopters of the federal UAE armed forces command were sent to
evacuate the injured. They had no specifics on the incident.
    Officials in both countries declined to comment on the reports.
     3:21 PM
                                 -END-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.inidan
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iranian foreign minister seeks to patch differences with India 
Keywords: Iran, India 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:06:50 GMT


	NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Velayati
arrived with senior officials in the Indian capital Monday to discuss
increased trade and political cooperation between the two regional
powers.
	Velayati's visit follows an official Indian protest over Iranian
President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani's remark that Pakistan should receive
full support of Islamic nations in its territorial dispute with India
over Kashmir. Rafsanjani made that statement Sept. 7 during a visit to
Islamabad.
	Velayati, who heads a high-powered delegation, is expected to try to
patch differences with India and explore greater political and economic
cooperation between the two countries, including joint ventures in the
newly independent ex-Soviet states in central Asia.
	Shortly after its arrival, the team, which includes officials from
the ministries of industry, transport and agriculture, began discussions
with an Indian delegation headed by Minister of State for External
Affairs Raghunandan L. Bhatia.
	The discussions are part of the Indo-Iranian Joint Commission, which
has held annual meetings since 1987 after the two countries signed an
agreement to expand trade, industrial and technological collaboration.
	The latest two-day commission meeting will discuss bilateral
collaboration in trade, industry, agriculture, transport,
communications, and science and technology, according to Indian
officials. The officials also will discuss regional security and other
political issues.
	An Indian external affairs ministry spokesman said Velayati's visit 
``will provide a useful exchange of views on bilateral, regional and
international'' matters.
	Although Iran is a major oil supplier to India, relations between the
two Asian nations have been cool since the Islamic revolution toppled
the shah in 1979.
	India has been concerned over Iran's efforts to export its radical
Islamic philosophy to other countries in the region and has often
complained about Iranian interference in its internal affairs.
	India has a larger Muslim population than Iran. Tehran has issued
several official statements in recent years criticizing New Delhi's
handling of Muslim-Hindu conflict and violence.
	Before returning home, Velayati is scheduled to meet with Indian
President Shankar D. Sharma and Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Iran is not your kingdom Mr. King!
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:51:29 GMT

In article seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>   In article lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
> 
>   >I think the discussion has moved into the logic of
>   >religious semantics, and I have no intention of discussing
>   >that, because I don't accept that God, if she exists, has
>   >said any of the sorts of things you claim she has.
> 
>Very good, don't accept! But also respect the believes of others. You neither
>have any right, nor any knowledge to decide whether God is a "he" or a "she".
>Hey, why is that when you cannot answer logic, you start becoming angry at God?
>Are you so desperate? Don't worry, *I* am the one who is giving you a hard 
>time, not God :-)
> 
>   >I say let them find their own answers, their own way of living,
>   >and if God doesn't like it, then she can pack up and find
>   >another planet.
> 
>I say it's none of your business. If you don't like it, you can pack up and 
>get out of the mid-east region.
> 


What is it when these, SCUM bag khomaini dog supporters , lose argument
they start insulting and threatening people!

Mr King keep up the good work and ignore these low life brainless
hypocrite fenatics.  They'll be punished by their own GOD eventually!

Also Mr. king is in MIT, you are the one in his territory BUD,
so why dont you pack your bags and get the hell out of here!
IRI needs people like you Seyyed, go back  and help them 
They want you!

May God give you a PASGARDANI [(c) Seyyed] when you get to 
the MehrAbAd airport!


Farhad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Organization: Football
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.234900.8154@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>I just talked to my family in Iran this morning. In light of Iran's
>elimination from the Asian Cup, here's some facts/opinion courtesy of
>my brother.
>
>Facts:
>
>    o A tie would have advanced Iran into the semifinals while it
>      would have eliminated Japan, where a win for Japan would advance
>      Japan into the semifinals and eliminate Iran.
>    o The game was played in Japan!
>    o Three players from Iran were sent off during the game!
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    o The game was tied 0-0 until the 88th minute when Japan scored
>      the only goal of the game.

Do we know why the 3 players were ejected from the game?  Was this another
"towte'e" [(c) dAee jAn Napel-on, 1357] by British as Babak had previously
felt?

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Re: Ms(mr)King real name(The jews)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:12:27 GMT

In article <24443.9211131323@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>Ms Mellisa Namazi writes in her article that I am ANGRY???
>

>
>I beleive A MUSLIM should care about his fellow muslims
>

  Does that careing require that you hate a specific group?
    (i.e. the jews)



>
>If you are not angry and happy with the suffering of the muslims
>then I realy feel sorry for you.

I am not "happy" with the suffering of any group.  That is exactly
my point.  You are advocating the infliction of suffering on a
group because of their religion/race.  This is wrong, just as
wrong as the jewish discrimination against the Palestinians.
Did no one ever tell you that two wrongs do not make a right?

>
>
>
>M.G.
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K


Mellissa Namazi
From: ntt@ccwf.cc.utexes.edu (NTT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fat Bird Wants More Food
Date: 6 Nov 1992 10:55:33 -0600
Organization: ghost
Reply-To: ebb@mab.cc.utesas.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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From: ardehali@abdi.zko.dec.com (Mike Ardehali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:45:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: decvax.1992Nov10.214542.9377
Reply-To: ardehali@abdi.zko.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH

In article <10NOV199209182802@rosie.uh.edu>, cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
|>From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
|>Subject: Seyyed
|>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:18:00 GMT
|>
|> To all you goddam, western loving, feminist, exiles out their, Kiss
|>my ass! Seyyed is brave enough to stand up to all of you, even though
|>he is out numbered. I glad that Seyyed is here to express the views 
|>most Iranians have.
|>
|>ShAYton. 
|>(The Devil.)
|>

WWWWRONG!!!!  Just a few, not all Iranians.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian