HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Subject: Anyone know where to get a disk cataloger for my HD?
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 16:31:18 CDT

  I would like to have a list of all my MOD files that I keep on my hard
drive.  I have FTPed many disk catalog programs from A.A., but they are
all for floppy disks.  Anyone have a program that could help me?
 
Jeoff Hines                       c556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu
 
 
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 14:18:39 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Xwindows on TT (Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX)
	<1992Oct4.123634.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
	<H.ea.uehSAzznpfA@marsu.tynet.sub.org>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 7-Oct-92 Xwindows on TT (Re:
Falcon .. Markus Wenzel@marsu.tyne (1419)
> BTW, the Falcon030 is definetly no machine (compared with 486, 68040 or RISC 
> CPUs) with enough performance for Unix or X11.

> Regards, Markus.


Do you remember that time when sun could only count up to 3 ?
Yes, it was unix and X and it was powered by a 68020 !

I haven't seen a sun2 (=68010), but I've heard they also come with X.

Of course it's not as fast as a R4000 or HyperSparc or whatever, 
but it runs and surprisingly is not that slow !

Don't forget that the speed you feel with X is generally more a 
question of responsiveness than of Mips. VM is no good for
responsiveness. That's why less powerful processors can run
X with reasonable speeds (well, the comfort is not excellent,...)
if they don't use too much of VM

	Stefan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Uwe Seimet)
Subject: Re: Falcon040 to have 96002 DSP???
Keywords: falcon, 96002
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: eunet
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 08:17:01 GMT

rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie (Robert Walsh) writes:

>I read in a posting in comp.dsp that the Falcon040 will have a
>Motorola 96002 dsp in it. Has anyone heard any other rumors
>about this? If it is true, the the Falcon040 would be a _VERY_
>nice machine...
There aren't any official statements about the F040. At the moment even the
F030 isn't available (on the CSS show in Collogne this weekend you could see
Falcons but you couldn't buy them). So why spreading rumours about the F040
when even the F030 isn't available?

***************************************
*        Uwe Seimet                   *
*        seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de        *
*        seimet@chemie.uni-kl.de      *
*-------------------------------------*
* I really hate this damned machine,  *
*     I wish that they would sell it. *
* It never does that what I mean      *
*     but only what I tell it.        *
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From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Which programming language?
Keywords: C MarkWilliams
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:01:29 GMT
Organization: BNR

As a first programming language I normally would not recommend C. But
I agree that C offers the best access to the power of GEM. The compiler
I recommend is Mark Williams C. It comes with a command shell, micro-emacs,
archiver, make and several useful utilities. It does not come with a source
debugger, it is available seperataly though it is not the best.

MarkWilliams C (MWC) compiles K&R C not ANSI, but does come with the
best documentation for an ST, that I have seen. MWC is also very easy to
install, works well with a Ram-Disk and no HD. MWC is no longer being 
produced but there are copies available. Atari used to include MWC in its
developer kit, I'm not sure what they are shipping now.

I currently use PURE C, and recommend it highly to someone that either
has MWC, or Atari's developer kit as reference material. The orignal name
of PURE C was Borland Professional C. Borland dropped support but sold the
source code rights to a German company with the stipulation that they NOT
translate the manual to english, so you sometimes have to fight the manual
to find the information you need.

Either of these packages will meet a beginners needs. Though if you purchase
PURE C you will still need to purchase a set of documents that will allow
you to program with the AES/VDI.

Brian
a.k.a.
Wyle E. Coyote
From: boender@dutiws.tudelft.nl (P.Boender.TI-tel-4593)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Things I'd like to see in MiNT...
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:39:17 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands

Hi,
some things I'd like to see in MiNT:
- core dumps for programs that crash (if set... not for ALL crashes)
- shared libraries (if we have shared text in programs, we also should have
   libraries shared. Like, uhm, Suns or the Amiga).
- swapping for large programs. G++ is far more usable if it swaps. I don't
  want all programs to be swapped, just some large programs that have the
  'swap' bit set in the header.
- /dev/audio, /dev/speech device drivers.

Could hope for more, but this seems to be possible on STs.
Bye, Hildo Biersma
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: Re: Falcon Refresh Rates
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:38:19 +0000


In article <1992Oct14.145159.10522@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

    i only want to pick up on this point [rest deleted]

>doesn't matter. the eye has a limited reaction time. anything faster
>than that time is imperceptible. 60Hz is just over the threshhold.
>sure, you can go more than that, but i'd rather use the extra
>bandwidth and money required to get it for more colours and resolution.
>
>jason

    i think it is actually higher at the 'corners' of the eyes. About 70Hz i
believe. Try looking side-on to the TV and see if you can see the flicker.

    Adam.
From: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Marsupilami's private UUCP site - Palumbien, Germany.
Subject: Re: Xwindows on TT (Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX)
	<1992Oct4.123634.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
	<H.ea.uehSAzznpfA@marsu.tynet.sub.org>
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Reply-To: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:27:42 MET

In <oepQnzK00awAEXBmhS@andrew.cmu.edu>, Stefan Monnier writes:
> I wrote:
> > BTW, the Falcon030 is definetly no machine (compared with 486, 68040 or RISC 
> > CPUs) with enough performance for Unix or X11.
> 
> Do you remember that time when sun could only count up to 3 ?
> Yes, it was unix and X and it was powered by a 68020 !
> 
> I haven't seen a sun2 (=68010), but I've heard they also come with X.
> 
> Of course it's not as fast as a R4000 or HyperSparc or whatever, 
> but it runs and surprisingly is not that slow !
Don't compare computers of the current generation with ones out of date.
Once, the 68000 was the most fantastic CPU in the world. Now this is the
Nineties. The development was really fast, so I cannot go and feel high
just because a machine can run X at all. If I think of X on a Linux based
386/33 8 MB PC clone, my eyes get wet from the bare performance of this
equipment. I do not believe that a Falcon 030 could compete with it.

> Don't forget that the speed you feel with X is generally more a 
> question of responsiveness than of Mips. VM is no good for
> responsiveness. That's why less powerful processors can run
> X with reasonable speeds (well, the comfort is not excellent,...)
> if they don't use too much of VM
I still wonder why Atari SysV / Motif on the TT is so many times slower 
than X11 on a Sun 3/50.

Regards, Markus.

-- 
/dev                Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart
/usr/spool/mail     wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de
/etc/motd           >> Any kind of work is a little death. <<  --  ALF
From: kfason@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kevin Fason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Fax s/w for ST
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:05:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


 am looking for fax software for the atari ST, I have a Supra v.32bis Faxmodem
 and am looking for software for it.  I cannot afford Straight Fax at teh moment
 so am looking for some PD/shareware/whatever that I could use to fax for
 a little while.  (as well as see if I should purchase a fax program).  If
 there happens to be one at a FTP site, please mail me saying where and the file
 name.  thankyou.
 -Kfason
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Gulam & TOSwin
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:02:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.230227.3999
Organization: University of Washington

Why won't Gulam run in TOSwin?  Does anyone know any shell that does?

Thanks,

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Refresh Rates
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:43:32 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert) writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> > wrong. TVs operate at 60Hz period. what makes them flicker is that
>
> Nonsense. TVs operate at 50 Hz. Only in some (very few) countries 
> do they use 60 Hz TVs.

TVs *in europe* work at 50Hz. did you see what i said about PAL?
here in the US we use the NTSC standard, which is 60Hz but sacrifices
a few lines of vertical resolution for the stability.

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From: sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen)
Subject: Re: info about VIDEOSTREAMER?
Reply-To: sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: eunet
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:06:16 GMT

Using a VCR as a tape streamer doesn't seem to be a novel idea. Last
week, I finally threw away some German magazines from 1986. One of the
issues had an ad for this very same thing. 

It would appear that an analog videotape is not well suited for storing
digital data. Otherwise, it would surely have caught on.
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Email: sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi               --------  Japs Rule OK ----------
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: atspeed (or the like) for
Date: 7 Oct 1992 09:42:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct6.135725.2950@fwi.uva.nl> ruth@fwi.uva.nl (J.van Ruth (W92)) writes:

>I have read that the expansion bus in the Falcon is only 16 bits wide,
>so a 386DX or 486 just wouldn't fit in it.

	According to Bill Rhebok (or rather the technician with him...darn I
keep forgetting his name) at the Glendale Atari show, the falcon's DPS has all
the pins that the '030 has, including 32bit address and 32bit data, which 
implies that even though 24bits are used for memory, and the rest left 
unimplemented for cost reasons, it would be possible to not only put an
accelerator in, but also add memory with the accelerator board.  You 
would probably have a model similar to the TT split mem model as the extra
memory would not be (necessarily) available to any device except the new
CPU - the TT supports TTram better than this though.  Actually I am tempted to 
say that the extra memory cant be accessable by the other devices, but I 
suspect the DSP can access 32 bits address, and of course if you have ever 
followed the history of Atari 3rd party developers at all, you will note that
they enjoy doing the "impossible". :)

>Joeri van Ruth  

-Mike

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: Something about MTOS and TOS 4.0...
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:29:15 GMT

A little tidbit, I didn't know this before, and I haven't seen this
posted before here.


Multi-TOS is a rewrite of the AES. It of course handles all the multi-tasking
stuff, But, It Does not include the animated icons, new VDI, etc
thats TOS 4.0. 

Multi-tos on the TT would probably look just like 3.06, 
except the processes go into the DA pull down. 

Did every one know this but me?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: SPAC000 <SPAC@UNB.CA>
Subject: Mint versus Powerdos
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:44:56 GMT

What is the current status of MINT?  Will it allow multi-tasking or
task-switching of ordinary (legal) GEM programs like WordPerfect
and Flash II?  The version I tried a few years back was not really
functional, but I've heard it's been much improved since then.  And
what of PowerDos (I hope I have the name right--I mean the OS patch
from Dragonware)?  Willit at least let you task-switch with ordinary
programs?  And what about easy set up directions for MINT, which is
wee bit tricky--is there something of that nature in the MINT folder
on atari.archive.umich.edu?  I just downloaded some PI3 images of
what seemed to be MINT (it may have been Multitos, but there is a
little overlap there) and it revived my interest!
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Amiga
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:34:43 GMT

All these years of hearing the
>>
>>              _#      **MMp     g#00   `N##0"    _agN#0P0N#           _#L
>>             g##       jN##    j##F     J##    _dN0"      "          g##L
>>           _#]##      _0 ##L  jN##F     ###   g#0"                 _03##L
>>          gE_j##      #  0## jF ##F    j##F  j##     ______       gE_j##L
>>        _0"""N##     d"  J##L0  ##F    0##   0##     "9##F"     _0"""5##L
>>      _gF    ]##    jF    ##0   ##F    ##F   `##k     d##     _gF    j##L
>>    _g#_    _j##L__g#__   ]N  _j##L_ _d##L_   `#Nh___g#N'   _g#_    _j##L_
>>   `""""    """""'""""'    "  """""" """"""      """""""   `""""    """"""

people trying to make me go oooh and aaaah, and I still haven't gone oooh or
ahhh to a single thing that is inherent to the Amiga.  not surprisingly I have
gone bleh! a few times......What a user interface!
From: Benedikt_Heinen@firemark.fido.de (Benedikt Heinen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What changes in Pagestream  (1.8 -> 2.2)
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:02:08 GMT
Organization: Firemark.BBS - 1st Atari ST Node Aachen

As I've heard, the upgrade from my Pagestream version to PageStream 2.2 will 
cost me US$75, I wonder, what has changed since version 1.8.
Can anybody tell me more about these changes? Especially, since the update from 
2.1 to 2.2 is free, what changed from 1.8 to 2.1?

yours,

    Benedikt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mats@netcom.com (Mats Wichmann)
Subject: Re: Falcon040
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:08:51 GMT

dunham@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:


>This morning I started out the day by sending a FAX to a friend at Motorola,
>and I couldn't help noticing the two FAXs already laying on the machine.  Both
>were from Atari Texas (in Dallas) and were resumes intended for our Personnel
>department.  The names involved are irrelevant, but one piece of information
>jumped out at me: both listed their most recent accomplishment as the develop-
>ment of the Falcon040!

I saw a news release a few days ago that Atari was consolidating all their
operations into their Sunnyvale, CA location.  It claimed all employees
were being relocated, but I wouldn't be surprised if some didn't want
to move...
-- 
Mats Wichmann
Unisoft Corporation
mats@unisoft.com (or mats@netcom.com)

Silly Disclaimer:  speaking only for myself, except when I'm not.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Borland and Pure C (was: Which programming language?)
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:49:42 GMT

In <OKES.92Oct10153611@SunLab43.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S) writes:

>In article <1992Oct10.020928.23786@splunge.uucp> garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood) writes:
>|>As someone else on the net posted a while ago, Borland doesn't seem to
>|>want there to be an English version of the Pure C manual out of pure
>|>spite.  There certainly isn'y any *economic* reason to deny English-
>|>speaking ST users an English manual -- it's not like the product
>|>actually competes with Borland's Turbo C on the PC!  Frankly, if I
>|>ever do buy a PC (yecccchhh!!!), I will certainly remember Borland's
>|>churlishness in this regard when considering software purchases.

>The way I heard it was that the US branch of Borland didn't want to be
>associated with a 'toy machine' like the ST. Fortunately their German branch
>were a little more open-minded, which is what led to the existence of
>Pure C in the first place.

Another rumor I recently heard holds that Borland may  have  done
HiSoft   a  favor.  I was told that HiSoft offered Turbo C owners
in the US a "swapgrade"  to  Lattice  C,  and  maybe  they  asked
Borland  to  do  something to keep them clear of competition with
Pure C in the US.

Greetinx, Jan

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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tramiel's got the spirit (was: New Mac Prices)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:12:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct10.112108.166148@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
  <1992Oct10.212845.27452@zooid.guild.org>
  <1992Oct12.180842.20403@news.nd.edu>

Jay Millar writes:

>Are you trying to suggest that if Atari did well making clones that they wou
>drop the ST line of computers?  Yes, the Tramiels are businessmen and are
>concerned with making a profit, but I also believe that they are dedicated t
>producing INTERESTING, FUN, ENJOYABLE, EASY TO USE, and PRODUCTIVE machines.

Nice to see that Pollyanna is alive and well..
 
Jack Tramiel has been quoted as saying:

"I'm not in business to make computers, I'm in business to
make money."

If he can make more money producing boring PC clones, you
better believe he'll cut loose every ST owner and leave them
twisting slowly in the wind..
 
>Yes, Atari did try to gain some capital by producing the ABC line of DOS
>clones.  They were simply catering to these same computer-ignorant masses.
 
Glad to see you can tell us with such assurance just what's
inside those Tramiel minds..  did you know they've had PC clones
since 1987, long before the "ABC" name was invented..?  Did you
know they were ready to jump onto the money wagon with both
feet ever since the Atari PC1..?
 
>Please, Mr. Kovarski, don't waste our (actual Atari users) time with your
>obnoxious, inane, and above all, irritating commentary on Atari.
 
That's right.. don't confuse us with the facts... 

According to Jack Tramiel, "Business is War"..  and unfortunately
we're the enemy..
 
BobR
From: imacleod@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain R Macleod CS90)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Boot from B drive
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:46:44 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

I am also interested in any software program that will allow me to
'boot' from drive B.  Any info. on this topic would be most appreciated.

Iain.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: GCC / G++ setup again
Summary: How does gcc2.2.2 relate to mntolb and g++ ?
Keywords: GNU C C++ MiNT setup FAQ
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:03:55 GMT

I have a 3-layer request.  First, would someone please post an explanation of
how the new gcc (2.2.2, if I remember right) relates to the g++ libraries
and headers that are already on atari.archive.  Does it use them?  What goes
in which directory?  Same thing for mntolb and its headers.

Second, once this gets explained (no matter what anyone says, it's sure to
be argued over for a while.  By the end of the process, one hopes that an
answer that's both correct and unambiguous will result), could this be
put in the FAQ.  Preferably, if any new releases of things look like they
might alter the answer, someone(s) could try to get the word out on what
has and hasn't changed.

Third, it sure would be nice if a small text file on recent installation
instructions always lived somewhere in the Gnustuff directory at a.a.u.e.
Covering, if possible, the entire GNU suite.  It would spare the net a lot
of garbage postings like this one.

It is not useful or appropriate to tell me to RTFM.  I have.  It's out of
date, and fragmented.  Or rather, with all the hands working on keeping
GNU stuff current on the ST, the world is fragmented.  I'm asking for a
central location to look to find out how things stand ->now<-.

There would be more justice in telling me to "Use the Source".  But I'm
not directly on Internet, so collecting all that source and keeping it at
current revision levels is an expensive exercise, requiring a lot of favors
from better-connected friends and the net at large.  And a central reference
would help lots of people.

                               Steve         saj@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Using a different font with CoNnect 1.60
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:29:47 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <H.ea.Pkw5TIZ5JMc@nathan.do.open.de>, ue@nathan.do.open.de (Udo Erdelhoff) writes:
> In <1992Oct4.143115.13337@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, Ryan 'Gozar' Collins writes:
>>     Well, I've started using CoNnect 1.60, and I like it a lot, the
>>only problem is the fact that on a color system, to get a window that is
>>80X24, I have to use the dinky 6X6 font, which is hard to read. Does
>>anyone know of the easiest way to get a 7X7 font?
>
> where's the problem? Connect makes use of GDOS, so just use an appropriate
> GDOS font to display 80x24 chars in color. The slightly more expensive way 
> would be a monochrome display

     So can anyone recommend a font? Can anyone recommend a font editor?

Later.......

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