From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan ( aka. Wolphgang ))
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:35:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In article <ebolog.17@elaine.ee.und.ac.za> ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD) writes:

>Ok, just tell us all the Biblical errors and a logical explanation on how 
>you came about. 

	For what purpose? This has been shown time and time again, we have
no need to do it again on this board.

>No, do not quote the THEORY of evolution I said proof - your 
>own personal ideas on why the human body is symmetrical and does not have 
>two arms on one side and only one on the other for example. Also explain why 
>if human life came about by freak accident why only we are intelligent. Why 
>not, as logic would point out, some creature with a different shape to the 
>human being with the gift of intelligence.

	Again, an inability to explain why something is, does not imply
that some higher force is at play. It is not logical to believe that we
would of had a different shape. To ask such a question is practically mean-
ingless. The only complete and correct answer, is we are the way we are,
because we are that way. You can ask what were some of the factors that
influenced the process, or conjecture on hypothetical probabilities, but
that will be attempting to answer another question. 

	I suggest that your first reform you question of "Why", what
type of question are you asking?

Why: as in the material cause?
Why: as in the formal cause?
Why: as in the efficeint cause?
Why: as in the final cause?
Why: as in a motivative cause?
Why: as in the causality?

etc:

You ask "Why is this statue exist?"

Some possible incomplete answers:

Because it's made of brass.  ( without such, it would not exist. And the 
	actually material doesn't matter, call it styrofoam if you want )

Because it was sculped.

Because it is to honor a great man.

Because the people want it here.

etc.

	So, I could equally give like answers to the question, why do I have 
two arms, which are semetrical ( or rather, the capacity of such; some do 
not have two arms ):

Because my genes tell my body so.
Because my parents had them.
Because they are made of bone, muscle and grizzle.
Because they wants to be there.
Because they help be function.
Because I am a human, and a human has two arms ( or the capacity of )

You can answer: Because God wants me too. 

But, that can answer anything.

Why do rocks fall?
Why is the sky blue?
Why is there evil in the world?
Why is 1+1=2?

Because God wants it that way.

However, if I know that 1+1=2 solely because God wants it so, it doesn't tell
me that 2+3=5; God may want it to be 6 for all I know, I do not have ESP.

The answer "because God wants it" is an empty statement, and an empty answer.
It can be used to answer everything.

So, if you tell me that God created the world 3000 years ago, and just 
created half loads of pu to confuse the unbelievers, I must ask; then how
do I know that the world wasn't created one minute ago? Can you prove that
you weren't created a minute ago? Remember, you could have memories because
"God wants it so".



	Please, don't bore us with your trite and hackneyed posts.  And, I 
do believe there are other being who share in the gift of intellegence! You'
re so caught up with the idea of being God's pet project, that you fair to 
recognize that there are other intellegence all around you. The extent of 
which, is what is in debate.

	
>
>It is logical isn't it - and please do not ignore or laugh at the question.