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From: rogerb@pisco.esd.sgi.com (Roger Brown P.E.)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Converting Release 12 or Release 11 drawings to Release 10 (Help!)
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:57:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Pi8NXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, elmo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
(Yuri Villanueva) writes:
|> Is there an easy way to do this?  The other way around is easy.  r11 or
|> 12
|> will readily read r10 drawings.  I tried to convert using DXFIN/DXFOUT,
|> but
|> I always get an error when I try to read in the DXF file into r10.  I
|> tried
|> it with 6 decimal places, 16, and also with binary option.  I actually
|> haven't tried to do the exchange with small files, but the procedure
|> simply
|> won't work for my 400K floorplan.  I dont want to use IGES because the
|> translation is not very good.  All machines are for IBM-PC compatibles.
|> |> We're using an old 286 (running r10 of course) to do the plotting so
|> the
|> other machines (r11 or 12) can be busy at work.  Plot files are very
|> inconvenient because we usually have to do last-minute adjustments just
|> before plot time.  Any ideas, please e-mail or post.  Thanks in advance
|> for
|> the help.

Have you tried DXFIX?  It may be found in your R12/SUPPORT directory.

Roger Brown, P.E.
From: frank@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Frank Kok)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: cad BBS
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:09:41 GMT
Organization: ProSoft Eindhoven, The Netherlands
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Hi there,

Are there any public cad bbs. If there are, could anybody
post me the tel. number!!!!

Thanks,
          Frank     8-)

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From: dev_russell@vd.seqeb.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Help - multiple network plotters?
Date: 20 Jan 93 09:55:14 +1000
Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board

In article <1993Jan15.075040.15746@coe.montana.edu>, pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt) writes:
> We have a 10-station Novell network running AutoCAD 12 for DOS.  We
> also have 4 HP 7475A plotters, 1 Houston Instruments DMP-52, a Calcomp
> 1043, a HP LaserJet III and a HP DeskJet 500C.  Now, AutoCAD 12 will
> let me create configurations for all these plotters and all the 
> printer queues exist.  BUT, how do I determine within my batch file
> (given by the ACADPLCMD variable) which queue a plot file should be
> spooled to?  Currently, the batch file just NPRINTS the file to the
> most commonly used plotter.  Is there another unnamed variable ACAD
> will pass like the %s parameter that returns the plotter configuration
> number or something?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
>   Craig Pratt                                          pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu
>   Montana State University, Bozeman MT            gcp1070@msu.oscs.montana.edu
>    What's the difference between a used-car salesman and a computer salesman? 
>        A used-car salesman knows when he is lying. - Andrew Loewenstern

Ive got similar problems We've got 90 AutoCAD stations on a network and mobs of
pen plotters and half a dozen HP design jets directly conected to the network
vit TCP cards.
There are masive warnings about tampering the plot.dcl file so I wrote a new
one to set the plotter name variable from the set configured and then select
which que to point the output. This then uses the correct plotter and then 
under C control modifies the acadplcmd file and the redirection of the port.

But this is a real pain, why didn't Autodesk get it right if you have multiple
plotters you have to have multiple acadplcmd settings or some other 
redirection method.


Hope this help 

Russell Masters
ACAD Solutions.
From: bg@ukc.ac.uk (G.S.Briggs)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Converting Release 12 or Release 11 drawings to Release 10 (Help!)
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:36:42 GMT
Reply-To: bg@ukc.ac.uk (G.S.Briggs)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1993Jan21.151437.27374@netcom.com> hatunen@netcom.com (David W Hatunen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.072126.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> moisande@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>>In article <Pi8NXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, elmo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Yuri Villanueva) writes:
>>> Is there an easy way to do this?  The other way around is easy.  r11 or 12
>>
>>        AC11TO10.exe. And it works!
>>                                                jouko
>>
>I want to second that. I've used AC11TO10.exe and it works
>very well indeed.
>
>hatunen@netcom.com
>
>
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I have heard a lot about this program, AC11TO10.exe, but haven't been
able to find it anywhere. Is it commercial, Shareware or Public
Domain? If it's either of the last two, where would I be able to get
it; ARCHIE doesn't find it at any of the well known ftp sites.


Geoff Briggs, Biology Dept, University of Kent, England : bg@ukc.ac.uk
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:41:17 -0700
From:         Rebecca Esparza <rebeccae@KINGTUT.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Where to find AC11TO10

Geoff writes:

> I have heard a lot about this program, AC11TO10.exe, but haven't been
> able to find it anywhere. Is it commercial, Shareware or Public
> Domain? If it's either of the last two, where would I be able to get
> it; ARCHIE doesn't find it at any of the well known ftp sites.
>
>
> Geoff Briggs, Biology Dept, University of Kent, England : bg@ukc.ac.uk
>

This is straight out of The Autocad Resource Guide Summer/Fall 1992

pg. 88  Applications  Utilities

AC11TO10.EXE
Translate R11 to R10 directly from
DOS (NO DXF).  Windowed, fast
and safe.
286DOS/386DOS
$55
Softward Designs Inc.
606-987-6129

Hope this helps.

Rebecca Esparza         rebeccae@kingtut.colorado.edu
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From: engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR))
Subject: Re: parametric drawing
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:01:20 GMT

Try *SYNTHESIS*

I think they are at
   Synthesis, Inc
   2300 James St Suite 201
   Bellingham WA 98225
   U S A
   Ph : (206) 671 0417
   Fax: (206) 671 0458

Best Regards
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From: jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jari Hiltunen)
Subject: Re: How to print directly AUTOCAD draw via the spooler (Unix) ?
Keywords: 44
Reply-To: jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jari Hiltunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:21:20 GMT

In article <rouyn.727718884@tdsb-s> rouyn@mais.hydro.qc.ca (Usagers Rouyn) writes:
>Hi, i'm using Autocad R12
>on a SUN SYSTEM (670 MP), and my users are on IPX Sparc stations.
>How can i send the ploting to the spooler of my unix system ?
>I want that my draw beeing printed on the QMS 810 of my lan.

Read what the AutoCAD Installation Guide says about ACADPLCMD.

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From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Difference Between AUTOCAD based Unix vs DOS systems?
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:56:34 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA


Hi,

Can anyone tell me the difference between a Unix based
Autocad system vs a DOS based Autocad system?

Thank-you!

Vivian
viviana@tamri.com
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From: binkley@dfrf.nasa.gov (Rob -Not from Bloom County- Binkley, EIT)
Subject: Re: How to print directly AUTOCAD draw via the spooler (Unix) ?
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:26:49 GMT

Jari Hiltunen (jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:
: In article <rouyn.727718884@tdsb-s> rouyn@mais.hydro.qc.ca (Usagers Rouyn) writes:
: >Hi, i'm using Autocad R12
: >on a SUN SYSTEM (670 MP), and my users are on IPX Sparc stations.
: >How can i send the ploting to the spooler of my unix system ?
: >I want that my draw beeing printed on the QMS 810 of my lan.
: 
: Read what the AutoCAD Installation Guide says about ACADPLCMD.
: 

OK...I know about the ACADPLCMD.  It works great...NOT!
In AutoCAD r12 you can configure (about) 29 printer/plotter
configurations.  OK...so I am on a moderate network which
includes a few dozen Macs (using ACAD), PCs (using the
Novell-aware (ha!) ACAD), and 2 dozen Sun Sparcstations
(using ACAD).  Everyone is networked together via a
Novell 3.11 server w/NFS.

I have access via the network to:
	8 DIFFERENT Postscript printers (A size)
	2 DIFFERENT Postscript printers (B size)
	2 DIFFERENT HPGL Plotters (D size)
	2 DIFFERENT HPGL Plotters (B size)
	2 DIFFERENT Calcomp Drawingmasters (D size)
	1 Calcomp Electrostatic Plotter (E size)
	6 HP LaserJets (series 2, 3, 4) (A size)
	1 Seiko Color Thermal Printer (Color Postscript) (A size)

So, each user (6 Hard core draftsmen and 30 ocassional users) prints/plots
to a variety of output devices.  How am I to configure AutoCAD to select among
each of these devices and plot to it?  I DON'T KNOW!  You can store the
(29?) configurations, but you can't tell it HOW TO OUTPUT TO THAT DEVICE!
I shouldn't have to select something outside of AutoCAD to print.  I shouldn't
have to do anything but select among the available printers configured
in that copy of AutoCAD from WITHIN AutoCAD.  Am i missing something?

Oh, by the way.  How come the Network copy of AutoCAD for the PC doesn't
know about NOVELL print queues?


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From: zimzim@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Veit Zimmermann)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Request: ADI driver for ET4000
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:36:18 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

Hi Folks

As the subject may have told you I am in need of an ADI driver for my
ET4000 Video Card. It would be nice if sombody tells me where I can get 
somthing like this since I'm tired of working in 640*480*16 Mode on the
Computer.

Thanx in advance

	veit
	zimzim@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: WANTED:Nummonics 2205 power supply/cursor
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:27:29 GMT

I need a power supply & cursor for a nummonics 2205 digitzer. please email
with potential leads

thanxs

kris
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: barber@ravl.rice.edu (Alexander Keith Barber)
Subject: 3d Studio Material Libraries
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:21:55 GMT

Does anyone know of any ftp sites where I might find material definition 
libraries for use with 3d Studio?  Or perhaps does anyone have any libraries of
their own that they might be willing to share?

I am finally doing some serious work with 3d Studio v2 to render architectural
projects that I have modeled in Acad v11 and already rendered on a Unix 
platform.  Now I am using 3d Studio to generate animations, hence the request
for libraries of materials.

I would also appreciate any help that anyone could give me on defining specific
materials for my animations.

thanks in advance

Alex Barber

Rice School of Architecture
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:50:17 PST
From:         Steve Rutland <DISR014@ACADEMIC.BITNET>
Subject:      CATIA 3.2.1 file transfer to AutoCAD 12

Hey ACADers,

Does anybody know of a file transfer bridge between CATIA 3.2.1
and AutoCAD r12?

We're using AutoCAD 12 on IBM PS/2 model 70s under DOS and
CATIA 3.2.1 under VM/XA on an IBM 3090 mainframe.  We will be
removing the CATIA system in approximately five months and
need to move several very LARGE model files that people
have invested hundreds of hours in creating.  IGES is not
considered a viable option because of the vast amount of solids
and surfaces involved.  (Actually, IGES will be considered as a
last resort...maybe an only resort).

Any ideas or suggestions are welcome.

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From: varkki@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Varkki George)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Please specify location of nifty little utility programs
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:49:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1993Jan21.072126.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> moisande@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>In article <Pi8NXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, elmo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Yuri Villanueva) writes:
>> Is there an easy way to do this?  The other way around is easy.  r11 or 12
>
>        AC11TO10.exe. And it works!

In article <1jmd8sINNqaj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah395@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey T. Hansen) writes:
>
>Many thanks to the speedy replies to my question, I've got the
>EPXtoPS.exe program, and it's fine.  The only thing I'd add would
>be support for pens 9 thru 15, but of course that's an HP/GL thing,
>limited by the physical pen turret slots.

I find information about these various workarounds quite useful. I
wish, however, that you would also post how one would have access to
these utility programs. Please clarify.

Thanks.

Varkki George
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From: orion@polaris.unm.edu (Tim Guerrette)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: 3D Studio Book?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:34:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
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I am looking for a 3D Studio book. I can only find one anywhere and it is 
called 3D Design and Presentation... Does anyone have a suggestion where I 
could get another one?

Thanks,

===============================================================================
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University of New Mexico		
Albuquerque, NM
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: rouyn@mais.hydro.qc.ca (Usagers Rouyn)
Subject: How to print directly AUTOCAD draw via the spooler (Unix) ?
Summary:  How to print directly AUTOCAD draw via the spooler (Unix) ?
Keywords: 44
Organization: Hydro-Quebec (DSB)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:08:04 GMT

Hi, i'm using Autocad R12
on a SUN SYSTEM (670 MP), and my users are on IPX Sparc stations.
How can i send the ploting to the spooler of my unix system ?
I want that my draw beeing printed on the QMS 810 of my lan.


E-mail : ggagnon@rouyn-ogc.hydro.qc.ca

THANK A LOT !

Guy Gagnon
Hydro-QUebec
From: karik@karhu.ae.tut.fi (Kari Kivento)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Help with Camera Positions
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:15:35 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: world
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Originator: karik@ae.tut.fi

At least using DOS and PC, commercial software called AutoShade + AutoFlix
will help in placing cameras.

A LISP function named  walkthrough  asks You for a camera path polyline, 
a camera target point/polyline, light source(s), and the number of cameras.
It then divides the path polyline into (number) pieces, places cameras
on breakpoints and creates scenes for them. They are then included in the 
FILMROLL file.

AutoShade does the rendering of the shots (scenes), AutoFlix creates/shows  a
.FLI movie file of the rendered scenes.  

In some ftp sites there are programs named  FLIMAKER, AAPLAY and TGAFLI
for creating and playing those .FLI files, too.

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From: hatunen@netcom.com (David W Hatunen)
Subject: Re: Converting Release 12 or Release 11 drawings to Release 10 (Help!)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:14:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.072126.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> moisande@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>In article <Pi8NXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, elmo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Yuri Villanueva) writes:
>> Is there an easy way to do this?  The other way around is easy.  r11 or 12
>
>        AC11TO10.exe. And it works!
>                                                jouko
>
I want to second that. I've used AC11TO10.exe and it works
very well indeed.

hatunen@netcom.com


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From: frank@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Frank Kok)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Need Good AutoLisp Reference
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:22:09 GMT
Organization: ProSoft Eindhoven, The Netherlands
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Jim Burnes (jburnes@csisun.uucp) wrote:
: ANYONE:

: We are going to be using AutoCad 11+ on the Macintosh to compute
: total dimensions of some furniture our clients are going to be
: designing on their Macs.

: Could someone please point me to the best reference for Autolisp
: and/or any good ftp sites for code examples.  I have done plenty
: of lisp programmig before and I just need good examples of
: application specific autolisp to really get started.

: Please reply via email and I will post the responses.

: Thanks....

: Jim Burnes


Try this one, it's the best book i've ever seen for autolisp,
it's for autocad v10. I think it has been updated to v11/12.

Inside Autolisp
ISBN 0-934035-47-4

Enjoy it, Frank


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From: sullis@lib102.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: AutoCAD and CAD Overlay ESP
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:18:24 GMT


Is anybody familiar with a software program called
"CAD Overlay ESP"?

It runs on top of AutoCAD.
It's made by Image Systems Technology.

I'd like to hear some opinions about the product.

Thanks.
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From: rogerb@pisco.esd.sgi.com (Roger Brown P.E.)
Subject: Re: Difference between Autocad based on Unix vs DOS?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:14:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.145845.19283@igor.tamri.com>, viviana@igor.tamri.com
(Vivian Aldridge) writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> Can anyone tell me the difference between running
|> Autocad on Unix vs running Autocad on DOS?

You can run multiple sessions on one machine.
You can run other applications at the same time as AutoCAD.
You can run AutoCAD over the net on an X-terminal (or if using the SGI
version
and driver, using IrisGL over the net).
With SGI's Bonus Software package, you can pop up a 3D viewer and view the
contents of your drawing right beside the AutoCAD window.

Roger
From: anadeem@ampere.misc (Ahmed Nadeem)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: MRI and CT-SCAN Images For Dogs?
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:44:22 GMT
Distribution: alt.cad
Organization: /home/ampere1/anadeem/.organization

Netters,
      I am currently working on a research project that involves construction 
of realistic, solid or geometric models for dogs.
      Does anyone know where I can get serial section images( MRI, CT-SCAN, 
etc ) for dogs?
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
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From: bonobo@Ingres.COM (David Borgman)
Subject: WANTED: Cheapo Windows CAD package for small home projects
Keywords: CAD cheap!
Reply-To: bonobo@Ingres.COM (David Victor)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:03:10 GMT

Anybody know of any shareware or otherwise dirt-cheap General Purpose
Windows CAD packages for PC's?  I scoped around on Archie, but it looks
like the programs there are mostly for PC board drafting.

I've seen those CAD packages in software stores for stuff like arranging
furniture and such, but nothing for more mundane useage.

Any suggestions?  Thanks!

-David Victor
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From: wac@world.std.com (william a colbert)
Subject: Architecture CADD Packages
Summary: Industry Uses 
Keywords: Info needed
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:29:27 GMT

Hi All,

	A few days ago I posted asking for any info regarding the most
used CADD packages in the Architectural proffession.  I have received
6 responses from people asking me to forward any info that I get.  Apparently
I am not the only one interested in this subject.  I am looking primarily
for Macintosh packages.  To summerize my interest, I am a third year 
Architecture student in Boston.  I am trying to find this info so I 
can learn solid CADD skills on the more frequently used packages before I 
enter the field.
Thank You in advance!!
Rob Colbert
E-mail:  wac@world.std.com
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