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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:21:54 CET
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From:         Martin Misseyer <V67CVM10@HASARA11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Decision Support Systems in Environmental/Geotechnical
              Engineering

Hello all,

The referred book is:


Environmental Decision Support Systems
G.Guariso   - Department of Electronics, Research Centre for Environmental
              Computer Science (CIRITA, Politecnico di Milano, Italy
H. Werthner - Institute of Statistics and Computer Science, Univerisity of
              Vienna

(c) 1989 G. Guariso and H. Werthner/Ellis Horwood Limited

Ellis Horwood Limited (Publishers Chicester)
Market Cross House, Cooper street
Chichester, West Sussex, PO19 1EB, England

ISBN 0-7458-0255-9

or: Halsted Press: a division of John Wiley & Sons

ISBN 0-470-21431-7


I hope this this suffice. Greetings from Amsterdam, Holland,


Martin Misseyer

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From:         "Armando H. Scalise" <ARGG6029@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      TIFF files.
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From:   IN%"GRAUA@invermay.maf.govt.NZ" 14-APR-1992 02:37:36.37
To:     IN%"ARGG6029@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE"
CC:
Subj:   RE: Imagenes

Armando:

Muchas gracias por tu contestacion.

Defino un poco mejor mi problema: quiero calcular area foliar y si es posible
otros parametros (largo y ancho). tengo acceso a un scanner Microtek 600G, con
600 DPI, con greyscales, que produce files tiff. En principio puedo cortar las
hojas y analizarlas con el scanner. Se trata de hojas bastante pequenias (3-10
cm2), en algunas casos muy divididas. Es decir un eje con varias minusculas
hojitas(foliolos) de hasta 0.1 cm2 o menos. De todos modos un error del 5%
seria bastante tolerable.

Por supuesto existen medidores de area foliar comerciales (LICOR, Delta T, etc)
pero mi impresion es que son demasiado caros para lo que hacen. Pienso que con
un programa de esos entre gratis y 100 dolares tendria que ser posible obtener
datos aceptable con hojas cortadas. Queda todavia el problema de analizar las
hojas attached to the plant. Pienso que eso tendria que ser posible con un
scanner portatil y un datalogger. Tambien estaria la alternativa de obtener
fotos y analizar la foto.

Por eso me interesaria mucho obtener programas que hagan este tipo de cosas. Se
bien no es un punto urgente ahora, supongo que lo mismo podria usar para
analizar aerofotos de una mescla de bosque y pastizal y calcular la superfi de
cada uno de ellos.

Me interesaria saber mas de ese programa que comentas (IDIRISI). Pienso que si
la cosa anda con programas simples (y baratos) despues se puede saltar a cosas
mas complejas.

Bueno, espero haber aclarado un poco mas mis pretensiones. Como ves, soy
bastante ignorante en cuestiones computacionales y de correo electronico, y si
este mensaje llega un tanto perturbado, es porque se me crusaron otros dos en
la pantalla y no se como arreglarlo.

De nuevo muchas gracias.

Alfredo

Invermay Agricultural Centre, Private Bag, Mosgiel, NZ.
graua@invermay.maf.govt.nz
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: The "G" in GIS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:03:16 GMT

In this morning's mail I received an elaborate ad from Daratech, Inc.
of Cambridge, MA suggesting I purchase a copy of their survey on GIS
Markets and Opportunities (1991) for $2500. Unlikely!!

In the brochure they make a number of general comments about the
industry and provide a few quotes from firms. The one that struck
me was the following:

    Says another desktop vendor, "We're going to take the 'G' out
    of GIS."

I view this as yet another example of the sad state of much of the
so-called GIS industry which, aside from a few firms who really do
have some idea of what they are doing, appears to be filling up with
suppliers who appear to think that anything graphic is a GIS.
-- 
Duane F. Marble
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:38:05 EDT
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From:         Rob Smyser <smyser@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Rob Levrant's Statement of Correction
X-To:         gis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

Are you sure that GeoLink got this correction without coercion?  It sure
sounds like some large man named Vinny was standing behind Rob as he
typed the message, no doubt with bleeding, fingernail-less hands.

The usual disclaimers should have applied here -- that Rob's opinions
were his own, etc....  Whether Rob was "right" or not is immaterial.
GeoLink obviously needs to improve their marketing to spread the word
that they're alive and well.  I really doubt that whatever strong-arm
tactics (threat of a libel suit?) they used are the right way to go
about it.

Rob, it may be impossible but can you set the record straight for us?
If you were unfairly pressured into making such an officious (and
therefore obviously insincere) correction, put your hand on your ear...
Ah, message received.

- Rob Smyser
  manager, computer resource labs, mit school of architecture and
           planning, smyser@athena.mit.edu
From: bhaskar@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Bhaskar Purimetla)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Need info on image databases!
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:19:46 GMT
Reply-To: bhaskar@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Bhaskar Purimetla)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Hi Everybody,

	I am currently working in the field of main memory real-time 
databases. I am looking for information on database applications
where some guarantees are needed for critical transactions. Could
anybody provide me with pointers to applications like image databases,
which are currently being used or being planned. I want to know more
about the structure and type of queries in those applications. It would
be very helpful to me in my work. Since this may not be of interest to
many people in the group, I would appreciate replies by e-mail. I can
summarise on the net if sufficient interest is forthcoming or respond by
e-mail.

Thanking you in advance.

--Bhaskar

e-mail: bhaskar@unix1.cs.umass.edu


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From: youngs@osiris (D.Youngs)
Subject: Topology, Arc-Info vs. Intergraph
Summary: Topology: Arc/Info vs. Intergraph MGE distinctions
Keywords: Topology Concepts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:40:55 GMT

What are the differences in definition and function of "topology" between
the Arc-Info GIS and the Intergraph MGE GIS ? I'm wondering what the draw-
backs (or advantages) might be of building spatial analysis functions on
top of the CADD data model ???


thanks for any feedback.....

D. Youngs

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From:         Peter Halls <PJH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: perspective on Geographic
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This debate, surely, is in danger of resurrecting the debate of Geographic vs
Spatial.

Like it, or not, we are now effectively 'stuck' with the term GIS for the name
of the mechanism for (computer aided) storage, manipulation, management,
analysis and reporting upon spatial (or geographic (note the small s this time))
information.  If the 'geo' is to be regarded as pedantic, we have to invent
a new term for the analysis of the spatial relationships of features on other
planets.  As a Geologist, I am unaware of replacing the 'geo' when we were
examining samples of moon rocks some years back!

Likewise scale!  If you are working on a planetary scale, then (for the earth)
a scale of 1:50000 would be a highly detailed plan!  If you are examining
plant communities, or soil stability, 1:20, such as an architect's site plan
might well be the point at which you change nomenclature from 'map' to 'plan'.

For me, the power of GIS is that it is, essentially, application INDEPENDENT;
unlike scale, the pedantic meaning of 'geo' and such like.  At York I have
research workers of many disciplines using (to a greater or lesser extent -
many of them have yet to understand the sheer power potential of the tool they
are using) GIS to examine spatial data that covers areas from the whole world
(and whole 'other' planets) to floral variations within a SSSI (Site of
Special Scientific Interest).  Our recent General Election looks likely to add
yet another group of workers as they try to analyse the results and to try to
understand the background to those results.

Lets put some more effort into promoting the opportunities of GIS, and the basic
needs for affordable base map information in a digital form and at an
ecconomic (for the user) licence fee, rather than this childish bickering as
to whether what 'so and so' is doing is GIS!

Peter Halls,
GIS Specialist,
University of York

PJH1@UK.AC.YORK   (or vice versa, if you prefer)


Oh --- and Happy Easter everyone!
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:48:28 EST
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From:         Dan Civco <CIVCO@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Problems with PCArc-Info and DOS 5
              6 Apr 1992 18:15:00 PST from <cvalj000@CSUPOMONA.E DU>

Re: pcARC/INFO 3.4D, DOS 5.0, and HP7475A problems.

We are running exactly that configuration with a Zenith 385-25 machine,
and have absolutely no problems. We have an older version of ATLAS/Graphics,
too, that we have had no trouble plotting with. Maybe you could post some
further diagnosis of your problem.

Dan Civco (CIVCO@UCONNVM.Bitnet)
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:24:00 EST
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From:         "Robert S. Levrant" <RYQALXA@IUP.BITNET>
Subject:      Statement of Correction

                        Statement of Correction

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

        On April 4, 1992, I sent a message on Internet (list GIS-L)
which I have been informed contained completely incorrect
information about GeoResearch, Inc., the firm which developed and
markets GeoLink.  I deeply apologize for this to Internet readers
and to GeoResearch.

        To set the record straight:

        1.      I apologize for stating that GeoResearch was
experiencing "hard times."  To the contrary, GeoResearch has
informed me that it is growing rapidly, has doubled its revenue
during the past year, and currently is expanding with new offices
both in Denver and Seattle.  I have been informed that the firm
also has greatly increased the number of employees at its
Billings headquarters office recently.

        2.      I have been informed that the firm is not involved
in any controversy or legal dispute regarding dioxin in a creek.
I have been informed by GeoResearch that there is absolutely no
truth to this statement; there is no dioxin issue at all, nor is
there any existing or potential litigation.  I got my facts
entirely wrong on this.  I apologize again to GeoResearch.

        Geo Research does make the GeoLink GPS/GIS mapping system,
and is the world's leading developer and supplier of such
technology.

        For information on GeoLink contact:

                           GeoResearch, Inc.
                           115 North Broadway
                       Billings, Montana   59101
                           Tel (406) 248-6771
                           Fax (406) 248-6770

        I apologize sincerely to GeoResearch for any inaccurate
information contained in my April 4 Internet transmission.



Rob Levrant
130 Mack Hall
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana, PA 15705
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From:         alan fiermonte <ABZX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Centrographic analysis
              8 Apr 1992 14:00:00 +1300 from <BENWELL@OTAGO.AC.NZ>

Thank you!!!

Alan Fiermonte
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From:         STROBL@EDVZ.UNI-SALZBURG.ADA.AT
Subject:      Visiting Professor Salzburg University

ANNOUNCEMENT: Visiting Professor for 'Geographic Information Processing'

The Department of Geography - Salzburg University (Austria) is searching
for qualified candidates to fill this position in the academic year
1993/94. Expectations are significant contributions to the department's
course offerings within the framework of 'Geography diploma - emphasis on
Geographic Information Processing', supervising student projects and theses
and participation in R&D projects.
Courses can be offered in German or English language. Candidates with
appropriate academic and/or industry background please contact Josef Strobl
at the address given below.
Please forward to persons who may be interested!
Thanks for the bandwidth!
        J. Strobl
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From:         Flash! <GGIS_13@LEICESTER.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: GEORGE BUSH STATUE COMMITTEE NEEDS HELP
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Sorry about the blank previous message.

I thought that this was a GIS discussion list! Please can we keep such
political bias off the NET.

Thankyou.
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Subject:      Internet Resources for Earth Sciences

To Bill Thoen:

Could you please repost the "Internet Resources for Earth Sciences"
tabulation?  I inadvertantly lost it in a file dump.  THX.

Alan Fiermonte
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From:         S74XNOY@TOWSONVX.BITNET
Subject: Re: GIS Software

MAPINFO CAN BE REACHED BY CALLING 1-800-FAST-MAP
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From:         "Chaitanya S. Rajguru" <rajguruc@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      SUMMARY AND COMPARISON OF DIFFERENT GIS'S

Hello,

I am doing work which involves a GIS, GRASS. I need to consider
other GIS's, too. I am looking for a summary and/or comparison of
the different GIS packages available. Strong and weak points
including analysis capabilities, data handling, cost and any other
criteria will be useful.

Is there any article/essay/summary of any such discussion already
available? If so, I would be very grateful for any references.
If not, I am willing to take all your input about the different
packages and summarize it, but please let's give the "references"
a chance, and put if off until we can open the floodgates.

Thanks a lot.

-Raj
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From:         "Robert S. Levrant" <RYQALXA@IUP.BITNET>
Subject:      Erroneous information

II am righting this out of deep regret
From: esri!zeus!zeus@UUNET.UU.NET (Frank Ennab)
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Subject: Image Processing newsgroup
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:34:20 GMT
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Reply to: Creating a newsgroup for Image Processing

	The need for Image Processing newsgroup is there. I think it is a great
idea.
	Image Processing value will increase in the next few years, due to the
decrease of computer processing cost, and the increase of computer power.


Frank Ennab
fennab@esri.com
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:50:00 EDT
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From:         PLF@NCCIBM1.BITNET
Subject: Re: GIS Software

Hi:

I often hear mention of MAPINFO although I have never seen results
or demonstration of it.  Could some one tell me who to contact
in order to receive more information on this sostware.

Thank You

--Jerry Pitt     BITNET: PLF@NCCIBM1
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Revisions in software
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:40:14 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <9204082206.AA06687@ufo.universe> esri!ufo!armando@UUNET.UU.NET (Armando Guevara) writes:
>> ....Anyone claiming to be an industry leader should be publishing
>>     version 1.0 of smart new products, not petrified upgrades of
>>     eight-year-old stuff...
>
>>     Darius
>
>QUESTION:
> If you were looking for a consultant to help you solve "Problem X"
> would you hire a guy with 1.0 years experience vs. 8.0 years?

In reading these discussions of version numbers, I cannot help but be 
reminded of a semi-serious, semi-joking claim that version 2.1 was the
version that the market prefered.  Version 1.x of anything was probably
too new and untested and buggy.  Version 2.0 is the first big re-write,
when the programmers have finally figured out how to do things.  And version
2.1 has caught most of the bugs in 2.0.  But version numbers greater than
2.1 might indicate software that was past its prime, so 2.1 is the optimum
version number.  :-)

These claims were made in a tongue-in-cheek article purporting to be the
users manual to version 2.1 of Melville's "Moby Dick", with a few new
characters, additional chapters, etc.  Anyone out there remember this and
know the source?

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
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Subject: Re: Image Processing Newsgroup
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:39:28 GMT
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How different is the proposed new group from IMAGRS-L which is available
via      ugs.cc.uga.edu:LISTSERV@CSEARN.BITNET    ????

BM Miller
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From:         Mark LEBER <GISMAIL@VM1.SDI.UAM.ES>
Subject:      data entry package for GIS

   We are looking for a package with the following characteristics:

    -clear and simple interface (import/export) with Arc/Info, DXF, and ASCII

    -PC-based (optionally, UNIX machines)

    -treatment of contiguous maps with the possibilility of continuing the
     work on a new map starting from a finished one

    -capability of digitalization of a portion of a map at a different scale

    -powerful control points system to solve any kind of transformations,
     not just linear

    -main functions to edit lines (draw parallels, fonts, smoothing, arcs)

    -main functions to edit text and symbols

   We aren't lokking for a GIS package, but a proper data entry system.

   Please send us information about such software and a demo disk (demo ZIP
better).

   Thank you.

   Mark LEBER

Servicio de Cartografia y Cartoteca       Voice: +34 1 397 4580
Facultad de Filosofia
Ciudad Universitaria de Cantoblanco       Fax:   +34 1 397 8599
28049 MADRID.
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From:         LSHYTSUI@HKPCC.HKP.HK
Subject:      Re: Interlayer or 3D analysis
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Dear netter,

A month ago, I had a question using GIS?? as the subject title. The
question was "If we said that GIS can manipulate and analyse spatial (x,y,z)
information, can we select spatial object by SPHERE reselection operation".
Some netters recognized that all most all present GIS cannot do this kind
of spatial selection because the data model is not really 3D and the topology
is  also not 3D. Then some started to ask the 3D GIS application and some
did answer. But, I am still waiting for some pioneers to tell us the progress
of true 3D GIS development in both acedemic institutes and software vendors.

To describe geographic/land/spatial objects/things, human drew picture or map
in the past (even now). But now we have computer which can present our
information in form of 3D rendering image, video and sound. So I think we
should keep in mind to use MAP, a 2D presentation tool, as the basic model
to store our 3D information. If we understand that 2D is only a sub-set of
3D world, we will find that there will be a lot of new technology and fun
when we can get into 3D analysis.

In my work, I am dealing with 3D geological information and questions. For
example, my client ask can I correlation the seismic track plot (simply say
a profile of soil layers without material description) to borehole information
(sample soil drilled with material description)? Can I model noise pollution
by sphere bufferring which contains number of affected people living in
different floors of the surrounding buildings.

Any comment is welcome.

Thomas Lee
GIS and Land Surveying Specialist from Hong Kong.
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