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From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:24:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <102627@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>   [...deleted...]   Obviously, the population
>   wouldn't care about "otkazniks" (I don't), .......
> 
>  Serezha.

What do you know about 'otkazniks'?  I was one of them, and I should tell
you, that our main goal was to get positive opinion from the West, rather
then from Sovok's.  I remember a demonstration near Lenin's library in
Moscow, which was surrounded by journalists from the States.  Later, they
printed the names of us in some Chicago newspaper, and it definitely help
us to get status 'refugee' among the first in Dec.1990 (about 3 month after
they decided to close Italian-Austrian way).

Michael Martynov.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:10986 soc.culture.europe:10386 talk.politics.soviet:9652
From: verbit@birkhoff.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: SOC.CULTURE.SOVIET is loosing subscribers - Let's do something!
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:20:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.002029.18499
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec12.082232.11910@polaris.utu.fi> opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:
>I think that this group has almost melted by the flames.
>Also the name of this group is like honey for crusading
>bees.

>Is anybody for changing the name of this group for
>soc.culture.russia? It would probably lighten the
>burden that word "soviet" carries nowadays!

>Should be self-moderate this group before Christmas
>and for Christmas?

>Shalom - peace - mir!
>- Olli -

I agree with Olli: the discussions on the soc.CULTURE.soviet
newsgroup tend to degenerate into politics, mostly due
to interethnic (Russian-Estonian, Russian-Ukrainian, Armenian-Azeri)
flamewars. Hopefully, the newsgroup like soc.culture.russian 
will carry less political stuff, which is downright 
boring. Though I doubt there is someone around 
who can monitor the process of creation of this
newsgroup, even if it is badly needed. 

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Estonia5
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:35:07 GMT

Alexei Moiseyev (alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) writes:
>And anyway, there is every reason to beleive that the next general
>Election in Russia will be democratic while the next election in
>Estonia will not.  And the reason is that the population of Russia has
>a vote while 40% of Estonian population do not.

First, we don't know when this next general election in Russia
will take place. If we're unlucky it might in 2045 or so.

Second, as Tanel Tammett already pointed out, the next elections
in Estonia are local elections, and here also non-citizens will
be allowed to cast a vote.

Third, and most important, if the same amount of the adult 
population will not be able to vote in the next Estonian
national elections as this time - a number that reasonably
must have been rather 30-35% than 40% as Russians with
1940 citizenship and their descenders were allowed to vote -
it will be of their own choice. This time there were no
technical possibilities to get a citizenship in time for
the elections. But next time, no problem.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:10896 talk.politics.soviet:9616 soc.culture.europe:10348
From: covdy@cronos.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Estonia's Russian-speakers
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:57:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA  USA

in article <1992Nov28.192404.21948@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland
Sommarskog) says:
[...]
> And, as far as I know, citizens as well as non-citizens in Estonia,
> are allowed to manage their own life.
[...]

You forgot to mention also, that all people, citizens or non-citizens, are 
allowed to use public toilets and have equal rights there.
Isn't it great?


-- 
  Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, METAPHOR Inc.,  CA,  USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: s33968t@puukko.hut.fi (Ilkka Huotelin)
Subject: Faculties on Russian lang. in West
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:00:34 GMT

I'm intersted in receiving information on universies in Western Europe or
Norther America that have a faculty or similar on Russian language. Please
send the name of university and contact information directly to me.

Thanks,

Ilkka Huotelin
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: RELAX
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:36:46 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

Muller sidel u sebia doma, kogda v dver' postuchali i neznakomyi golos
skazal:
- Verbliudy idut na sever...
- Verbliudy idut na khui!  Shtirlits zhivet etazhom vyshe.
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sleasy spititual hero... Pagan and POGANYJ
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:04:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Bz20xu.EqE@cs.columbia.edu>, igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.175108.20381@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>> In article <8DEC199214565835@pavo.concordia.ca>, v_vinog@pavo.concordia.ca (VINOGRADOV, VLADIMIR) writes:
>> >An article appeared in LA newspaper and was reprinted in The Gazette
>> >(Montreal) about the leader of Russian paganism - Alexii Dobrovol'ski.
>> 
>> There's an error. The leader of Russian paganism is I.
>> 
>> -- 
>> ---
>> Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
>
>Only one small correction: Dobrovol'skii is the leader of paganism formed from
>the word "pagan" which is "yazychestvo". You are the leader fo the poganism
>formed from the word "poganyi" (nastyness-infested?). I would hate to even
>see a whole forest of gnoy (pus)... Yucc!

Thou art but an ignorant. The Russian work "poganyj" meant
_exactly_ the same as "Pagan" in English - Non-Christian.
Thy pathetic illiteracy deserves pity, and I am not offended by
thy petty insults. Nor are the Great Lurking Beasts of the
Forests of Gnoy. Mayhap they'll devour thee someday, though.

>
>--Igor
>
-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11221 talk.politics.soviet:9812 soc.culture.europe:10569
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:41:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec17.224154.18651
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <kosinov.724631372@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>IN DISCUSSING RUSSIAN CULPABILITY FOR COMMUNIST  CRIMES
>verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>
>
>
>>	Are you mad, Tapani? What Soviet Russia?
>>	USSR was a superpower, but Russian nationalists
>>	were persecuted much more cruelly than 
>>	dissidents or Jewish otkazniks.
>
>
>  Now, Misha, I think that you maid a lot of good points in the rest of your
>leangthy article, but the overstatement quoted above really riles me.
>  The fact is that the ONLY none- or anti- Communist groups tolerated
>during the Brezhnev era were Russian nationalists. Witness the continuous
>publication of Nash Sovremennik throughout that time. It may not have been
>as virulent back then, but its ideological gist was as clear as it is now.
>  Now try to imagine reading a Jewish-nationalist, a pro-Western-democratic-
>dissident, or, for that matter Estonian-nationalist publication openly at that
>time, and you will understand how silly this overstatement is, and also
>how insulting it may be to those people who were prosecuted UNLIKE, rather
>then LESS than Russian nationalists.
>					      Greg.

I prefer to readdress the answering on this to some 
Russian patriot on the net (Sergei Borodin, au!), but 
anyway I don't think you are right. To call Brezhnev's Nash
Sovremennik Russian nationalistic is no more valid than to call,
say, Novyi Mir or Novyi Put' (or how the Yiddish magazine
was called) Zionistic. The *real* nationalistic or monarchistic
dissident activity (like the _Veche_ samizdat magazine)
was persecuted more heavily than ordinary dissident activity.
The reason is very simple: authorities saw more populist potential
in "bei zhidov spasai Rossiyu" dissidents than in usual
"human right above all" ones.

Note that the Brezhnev's politic towards
nationalists is not unlike tsarist persecution
of slavyanophils (who were also being considered
worse danger than Socialists and Zapadniks
in 40-ies and 50-ies)

Misha.
From: lcornel@eis.calstate.edu (Louis Cornelio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Envelopes Wanted!
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:23:36 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services


Greetings! Do you receive surface mail from Ukraine, Belarus, Baltics, &
other new republics?

Please e-mail me if the envelopes you receive are unimportant to you. As
history is being made in those countries, so is modern postal history, and
I am trying to collect to exhibit samples of mail from x-SU. Especially
interesting are Ukraine & other provisionals & overprints.

Take a second look at those envelopes you have. I would like to save them
& catalog them. Please email me if you have something of interest.
======================================================================
Louis Cornelio          Internet: lcornel@eis.calstate.edu
GEnie: L.Cornelio   "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal"
SnailMail: 3691 Marlesta Dr. San Diego CA. 92111
======================================================================
From: verbit@kovalevskaia.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Anekdot pro Vovochku i pogovorka
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:13:34 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec15.205316.8172@ryn.mro4.dec.com> libkind@hdlite.enet.dec.com (Sam Libkind) writes:
>
>In article <102184@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>||>  
>|> >|>   po palke soskuchilas'?
>|>  
>|> >Po sebe merish?
>|> 
>|>   Strannaja logika. Devushka s grust'ju vspominaet svoi pionerskie
>|>   gody, a ty - "po sebe merish". Zdes'-to, na zapade, ni domov
>|>   pionerov, ni domov ofitserov - sovsem bednoi devushke podat'sja
>|>   nekuda. Udivlen, chto prihodit'sja ob'jasnjat' ochevidnoe.
>|>   
>|>   S.B.
>A po mne tak devushka napisala anekdote, khot' staryi no dovol'no smeshnoyi.
>A kto to reshil devushku obdelat'.  
>A Ya rposto vyrazil vozmuschenie po atomu povodu.
>Vot i mne prishlos' vam ob^yasniat'

A po-moemu devushka dura kak i vse ostal'nye mudaki
kotorye posylayut v scs starye anekdoty. Ya by ne stal eyo obdelyvat',
(vremeni netu obdelyvat' kazhdogo idiota), no k Sergeyu 
polnost'yu prisoedinyayus'. Eti zastarelye
tupye anekdoty NADOELI! See my recent 
answer to Michael Martynov why I think that 
the posting of "anecdotes" in scs is obnoxious
waste of bandwidth. 

Misha.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11095 soc.culture.europe:10472 talk.politics.soviet:9731
From: tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Estonia 15
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:22:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS, Chalmers, Sweden

In article <12054@sorley.ed.ac.uk> alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
>Mr.Hietaniemi writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.221211.6886@cs.chalmers.se>, tammet@cs.chalmers.se 
>(Tanel Tammet) writes:
...Stuff deleted...
>>> Please do not continue the practice of referring to noncitizens
>>> residents of Estonia as "Estonian Russian-speakers". First, noncitizen
>>> residents are in the same position disregarding their language.
>>> Second, a noticeable percent of "Estonian Russian-speakers" are
>>> Estonian citizens. I do not know exactly - it might be be between
>>> 10% and 20% or so.
>
>I would follow your recommendation but unfortunately that way we would
>lose the most fundamental identifying feature of *noncitizen
>residents*.  You may want to insist that this is not their EXCLUSIVE
>identifying feature, but this is not all that important.  Russian
>speakers in Estonia are almost complitely identified with noncitizen
>residents, with only comparetively few exceptions.  Calling these
>Russian speakers *noncitizen residents* is not acceptable to me.  It
>is not acceptable because somehow this appears to me like condoning
>the current situation.

Exactly - sticking to facts would appear like "condoning the current
situation". When you say: "russian-speakers could not vote at last
general elections", you claim that there is a a language-based 
apartheid in Estonia. When you say "noncitizen residents could not
vote at last general elections", it is something completely different.

You claim: "Russian speakers in Estonia are almost completely identified
with noncitizen residents, with only comparatively few exceptions".
Unfortunately, this is not true. The estimate of the percentage of
Russian-speakers who ARE citizens and COULD vote, is between 10 and
20%. From the other side, the number of noncitizen residents who do 
NOT have Russian as a mother tongue is quite noticeable also. 
Anyway, the main point is that the condition of being able to
vote on general elections is made on the citizenship status, not
language, as you very well know. 
 
Your insistence on the incorrect use of "Russian-speakers" when you
actually speak about "noncitizen residents" has a sole reason to
distort facts in order to create grounds for your complaints.
   
Regards,
	Tanel Tammet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jackz@panix.com (Evgueni Zabokritski)
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:41:19 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <LEONID.92Dec19131458@tuna.uchicago.edu> leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:
                    ..................
>Well, "Gorod zolotoy" ( City the Golden ) - as for this one,
>nobody really knows, where it comes from. Bob used to refere
>to it as to "narodnaja", but this piece of lyrics is pretty 
>strange just for a folk song. Do you know anything about
>it's origin?

Well, I guess I will be the 1001st to point out that the author of this
lyrics is Alex Hvostenko, AKA Hvost. As I recall, he had emigrated (to US?)
when these verses were used by Bob. As for the music of this (excellent,
in my opinion) song, it was also "borrowed" from an unknown English musician
who lived circa 18th century. It was originally intended to be performed 
on lute.
/* These facts inspired some negative attitudes to Bob for "plagiate", but
   I still think he WAS a real author of this enchanting thing */

Continuing the theme, are there Bob fans around here who feel the strong
connections between many Aquarium songs and English fantasy, primarily
Tolkien ? These connections have been heard to be directly confirmed
by Bob. I personally feel it very strongly, although not necessarily in
details, but in "general impression". I believe the above mentioned
"Golden City" should belong either to Lothlorien, or to that "hidden land"
of Valar, whose name I forgot.

Opinions?

-- Jack
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Uspenskaja - Odessan? emigrant singer!
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 08:39:51 GMT

In 1989 I bought a C-cassetten from a taxi-driven in Khiev and
it consisted emigrant songs by Uspenskaja. Who is/was she? Some
songs go like this:

1	"Ljuba ljubenka zeluju tebja v glubenki - za tot shto
   	 ty pojosh kak solovei..."
 	"Eshe ne pozhno, eshe ne rano - I ja he yhoshu iz restorana"...

	This song was played in film Malenkaja Vera.

2 	"Gusarshkaja ruletka - shestokaja igra,
   	Gusarshkaja ruletka - doshit by do utra"...

	Is gusarshkaja ruletka, so called Russian roulette with
	one bulletin and five blanks? 

3	"Mamotshka mama - prosti dorogaja, shto dotshku vorovky
	 uehala, s vorom guljala, vora ljubila oh voroval vorovala
	 i ja... i ja ne uspela ugalovky sabirali menja...
	 
What are these songs originally and who is the composer?
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:29 MDT
Subject: nikogda
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600063:000:688
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Dec 12 02:29:00 1992


Obo vsex, kotorye ya nikogda ne byla
___________________________________
 
ya nikogda ne byla ditya.
noch'yu lezhala, slyxala ottsa
kotoryj zhelal,
chtoby mat' umerla.
Unichtozhena, ona,
no eshche zhila
a kak - ne znala.
 
ya nikogda ne byla p'yanitsa.
Trinadtsatiletnaya,
vina bypila,
rebyat tselovala,
na plyazhe spala.
A domoj - ne mogla.
ya vse ponyala.
 
ya nikogda ne byla zaklyuchennaya.
ya kokain prodala
chtoby sbezhat' ot ottsa.
V tyurme est' eda
esli ya golodna,
a devushka, kotoraya
menya obnyala
kogda ya ot koshmara
noch'yu zvala.
 
ya nikogda ne byla ispugana
kak on pistolet klal
k golove i krichal
"Ne valyaj duraka!"
i menya nasiloval.
 
A potom
ya prosto
uzhe ne
byla.
From: polyakov@ruhets.rutgers.edu (dimitri Polyakov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: prostuzhena
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:34:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Prostuzhena?Eto kak?Patricia!Is THAT in the HELL true?You've got a
severe cold and become a poet?OOOOOOOO.....Beware,girl...Remember:
"Umerla.47 let.
 Zhila v barake.
 Detei net.
 Myla poly v muzhskom tualete.
 Dlya chego zhila na svete?"
      -Vsevolod Nekrasov.
You understand that?Beware!
P.S.A mezhdu nami-to govorya,ai da Patrishka!
From: nobby@stein.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Will Russia stand beside Serbia?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:34:29 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec20.154305.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.215331.8115@polaris.utu.fi>, opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:
>
>...deleted...
>
>> Dear fellow-citizens of Russian interest circle and emigrants.
>> Do you think that Russia should remember it obligations to
>> little brothers of Slavonic family: Bulgaria and Serbia who
>> ....
>> -olli-
>
>First of all, I have know idea what Russia is going to do with Serbia.  So
>carry the usual mission of such units...  

>
>Now, if you talk about "Slavic brothers", then don't include Bulgaria in 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this list, for it's a common mistake to call them Slavic, while they are
>not Slavs
>at all.  The other point is, that Serbs are not the only Slavic people of
>x-Yugoslavia.  What about Bosnians and Herzegovinian, along with Croats?  Well,
>Croats are Muslim, but they still Slavs, and the obligations of Russia toward
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>them (I mean Imperial Russia) are the same as toward Serbs.

Looks like ethnographic studies thrive at the University of Scranton.
Good job, man! Keep on posting! If I am not mistaken, your lingo-cultural
research is sponsored by the military? It shows.

>
>By the way, I'd like to remind you the history of this obligations.
>
>First of all, in 1794, in the Treaty of Kudzuk-Kainardzhi (sp.?), Catherine the
>Greate reserved for Russia the right to be representative of Christian rights
>in Ott.Empire (sorry for not using its full name, because I'm affraid of 
>some postings from their, which would call me a 'self-admitted lier'...).
>
>This term of the Treaty was used by Russia for >50 years, but in 1856, after
>Crimean war, the term was eliminated.  
>
>The next idea was pan-slavinism, which justified new wars with the 'sick 
>man of Europe'.  As you can see, there is no single word about religion here,
>so Croats, although Muslims, got the same help from Russia as Serbs.
>
>As it is now, Russia isn't interesting about religious origins at all;
>therefore, if it is going to 'help Yugoslavia', it has to help everybody.
>
>The problem is that it's impossible to help every side of Yugoslavian war.
>That's why, I don't really know what Russia is going to do or can do in
>this situation.
>
>Michael Martynov.

nobby@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: libkind@hdlite.enet.dec.com (Sam Libkind)
Subject: Re: Anekdot pro Vovochku i pogovorka
Reply-To: libkind@hdlite.enet.dec.com (Sam Libkind)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:08:57 GMT


In article <101973@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
> >V Dom Pionera na yolku, a v Dom Ofitzera na palku.
|> 
|>   po palke soskuchilas'?
|> 
|>  S.B.
|> 
Po sebe merish?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Subject: Re: ANECDOTES : Vovochka
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:36:04 GMT

================
Sobralsa Vovochka postupat' v konservatoriu. Nado emu predstavit'
svoyo sobstvennoe proizvedenie - ne znaet chto i delat', ved' nikogda 
on muzyki ne pisal i dazhe not ne znaet. Reshil sprosit' soveta u svoego 
dyadi - izvestnogo muzykanta, chlena Soyuza Kompozitorov, laureata 
neskol'kih premii.

   -- Chto zh, - otvetil emu dyadya, - vozmi kakuyu-nibud' izvestnuyu
vesch i perepishi ee zadom na pered.

   -- Tak ved' dogadayutsya oni, chto eto plagiat, - zasomnevalsia 
Vovochka.

   -- Ne volnuisia! - uspokoil ego dyadya, - Ne dogadayutsa: napisannoe
zadom na pered proizvedenie sil'no otlichaetsya ot originala.

Poslushal Vovochka dyadinogo soveta i vzyal odno iz ego sochinenii.
Perepisal, kak polagaetsya, i predstavil v komissiyu. Posmotrela
komissiya na ego rabotu i skazala:

   -- Nu eto ezhe plagiat, molodoi chelovek.
   -- A kak vy dogadalis'?
   -- Klassiku, molodoi chelovek, my naizus' znaem -
Eto zhe Pyotr Ilich Tchaikovsky.
=================





---

When I tell any Truth it is not for the sake of convincing those
who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those who do.
         
	                           WILLIAM BLAKE Public Address
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin)
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!! / favouring Soviet culture?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.080812.23925@polaris.utu.fi> Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.194319.8933@math.ucla.edu> Alexei Stolboushkin,
>aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu writes:
>>On the other hand, shall the culture traditions we share
>>be changed in accordance to any new legislation the
>>honored people deputies pass?
>
>If you prefer Soviet culture, please tell me what is nowadays and
>what is your opinion of past Soviet culture? Why can not we go
>back to basics and restart speaking of Russian (both Russkij and
>Rossiiskij) culture?

well, I don't have any objections. Please do create soc.culture.russia,
and soc.culture.estonia, etc. Also, I did not say that I do prefer
Soviet culture.

The point was, that there also exists Soviet culture, whether you
like it or not. Consider a simple joke like this:

--V Odesse na sredstva evrejskoj obschiny vozdvignut byust
--Yurija Gagarina, kotoryj pervyj mahnul rukoj i skazal: ``Poehali...''

Is it a russian, jewish, or ukrainian joke? Certainly not. It is
Soviet. A more serious discussion may involve names of Soviet
writers, like F. Iskander. Shall we put him in soc.culture.russian,
just because he writes in Russian, or to soc.culture.abhazian, for
his ethnicity, or even to soc.culture.georgian, as Abhazia is,
legally, a part of Georgia at this moment?

It is simply silly, like to say ten years ago that there is no
German culture per se, and, instead of, there are West German,
East German, and Russian cultures (the latter includes Kant
philosophy), let's alone West Berlin culture...
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>	olli


--Alexei
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