From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.misc,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.mac.games,rec.games.video,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Followup-To: poster
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:22:06 -0400
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.UU.NET

(Reminder - if you've already voted, no need to vote again.  Check for
your name in the list of received votes at the bottom, though, and
mail me if you aren't there).


2nd OFFICIAL CALL FOR VOTES FOR NEW GROUP
 
NAME:
        comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
 
STATUS:
        unmoderated
 
CHARTER:
        To provide a forum for the discussion of games for the IBM PC or
        compatible machines.  This is not just limited to MS-DOS, but
        extends to OS/2, Windows (Yes, it's not really an OS, but...)
        and anything else which can run on an IBM PC compatible.
 
For example (not to be taken as comprehensive):
        o Discussion of upcoming games
        o Discussion of software companies
        o Discussion of current and past games
        o Requests for help
        o Hints and spoilers
        o Personal sales and trading of games.  Not for commercial sales
          or piracy.  Any risk assumed is your own.
        o Discussion of locations of new demos and ftp sites
 
 
RATIONALE:
 
        It has been much discussed in the past, but failed due to the
lack of anyone dumb enough to take on the resulting work.  The RFD has
received overwhelming support in rec.games.misc and other interested
groups.
 
        The primary motive is to get the huge amount traffic regarding
IBM games off of rec.games.misc, where it can be self-contained.
IBMers can read only about their games, if they choose, and those who
aren't interested in them will have a much more less smothering
rec.games.misc, where board games and other games under its charter
can be discussed more freely.
 
        We have discussed group names, and the overwhelming favorite,
because of the previous precedent of groups such as
comp.sys.mac.games, comp.sys.amiga.games, and comp.binaries.ibm.pc, is
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.  It is recognized that "ibm.pc" does not cover
the entire range of machines, such as PS/2s and other software
compatibles.  However, "ibm.pc" seems to be a recognized name for this
group of machines in the rest of the hierarchy.  We are also aware of
the comp.os.msdos hierarchy, but while most of the posts will probably
be about MS-DOS games, the group is not limited to that.
 
 
VOTING:
 
        This vote will run from now till 23:59 GMT, Monday, May 4, 1992.
        The date/time on your message must be before this time, or it will
        not be counted.  Only votes recieved by email as detailed below
        will be counted.
 
        There will be two other CFVs and mass Acknowledgements during
        this time.  The final acknowledgement and totals postings will
        be done on Wednesday, May 6, 1992.
 
        Send all votes to
 
                rdippold@qualcomm.com
 
        (You can just reply to this post...) Our mail is usually very
        reliable, but if it bounces, try again later.
 
        The first line of your post should be either
 
                I vote YES on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
 
        or
                I vote NO on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
 
        You may add comments below that, but only the first line will
        be used to determine your vote.  If you do not use YES and NO
        in that line, your vote will be discarded.
 
        If you vote more than once, your last vote will be the one counted.
        If you are revoting, please add a line underneath commenting on
        this, to make sure we notice.
 
 
MY ACTIONS:
 
        I did the RFD for comp.sys.ibm.pc.games and am doing the CFV.
        This group has not been particularly controversial.  To keep it
        that way, I will not be discussing the proposal in any way which
        involves my expressing a positive or negative opinion on it.  I
        will not be doing any public or private campaigning for or against
        it.  I will, on public groups, encourage people to vote, but will
        not take a stand for or against and will encourage both YES
        and NO voters to vote. 


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THOSE WHO HAVE VOTED SO FAR

Thanks to all those who took the time to vote, for or against
(anipathy is better than apathy here).

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"Darryl Gamble" <darryl@cs.yorku.ca>
"David A Berson" <daberson@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
"Ezra M. Dreisbach" <ed10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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"Hollis M. Schuler" <hs02+@andrew.cmu.edu>
"John B. Clements" <clements@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
"John W. Boelter" <BOELTER3945@iscsvax.uni.edu>
"Keith Woolner" <kwoolner@us.oracle.com>
"Kevin C. Dutt" <kcdutt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
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