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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 03:14:03 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Originator: goldfarb@tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <3179@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence) writes:
)	I would never put a mustache on the Mona Lisa...

	Marcel Duchamp sends his Christmas greetings.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |      "Hey, mister! Your ninja's dragging!" 
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     | 
goldfarb@soda.berkeley.edu |
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Atlas reviews/Derek Walcott
Date: 22 Dec 1992 13:49:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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RE:
Atlas reviews...the Sunday Washington Post's Book section had
a review of several atlases...either Dec 6th or Dec 13th.
-- 
Ted....
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Stein and Hemingway (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split...)
Date: 26 Dec 92 11:04:13 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited


Many experts believe that the key turning point of the war occured on
Boxing Day 1992.  In a pin point strike of astounding accuracy, Hoofa, son
of Henda, infiltrated an article on to Terra's soi-disant net.  This
article was constructed, with a precision rarely seen in those days, to
entrap all Terrans of good conscience, every Terran who felt that they
should listen to the other side of the argument, give the other chap the
benefit of the doubt, consider all sides of the argument, into reading to the
article.  By the evening of Boxing day over 193 such Terrans were wiped
out, dead of boredom.  From that moment on the war was won.


From "The Boys Book of History; Chapter 12 Andromeda takes over the Earth" 

-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.books.technical,alt.internet.services,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: The Online BookStore Announcement: The Internet Companion
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:36:26 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec21.023135.5677@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>I have to say that _TIC_ is a wonderful book to give to someone who
>is Internet-naive.  It's written at exactly the right level.  The ORA
>book is more nuts-n-boltz and written for a more sophisticated audience.
>The two complement each other quite well, and don't compete directly.

It's quibbling, but I don't think "sophistication" really has much to do
with it.  THE INTERNET COMPANION is a book about why the Internet is way
cool.  The Krol book is a hands-on guide to getting hooked up for people
who are now convinced of the preceding proposition.  The difference is
level of interest & desire, not technical know-how.  Krol assumes you know
what a computer and modem are, but then so does TIC.

I read TIC and am now working my way through, and I'd never dealt with the
Internet or Unix before.  They are, in fact, an excellent pair.

-- 
Patrick Nielsen Hayden      :     senior editor, Tor Books
pnh@panix.com : CIS 72701,1344 : GEnie PNH : opinions mine
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From: Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle)
Subject: Re: Books with a sense of humor (was: A modest proposal)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:30:24 GMT

Almost anything by Robertson Davies is truly hilarious-- but I just started
the Salterton Trilogy... Tempest Tost is the first one and it is too great,
so full of cutting irony and cynicism and such great descriptive writing.
From: pcs$1393@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: john hopkins university press
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:30:00 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

will someone please supply me with a method of contacting the Johns hopkins
university press. I have just read an article in my local louisiana newspaper
about a series of books they recently published entitled "the history of jewish
people in america" and I am interested in finding out about availability and
cost. thank you, tony gallart pcs$1393@selu


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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:22:22 GMT

	In yuppie shops in Berkeley, you will find "primitive" artwork from
Central America, Armenia, and Asia, much of it straightforwardly part of the
religious practice of the people who made it (this includes paintings on 
leather, cement statuary, tapestries, various icons, etc.).

	The work is usually divorced entirely from its original context and
is in fact being offered for the esthetic pleasure of the urban dweller with
(often significant) disposable income.  

	Next year, or the year after, I imagine these relics will no longer 
be chic.  

	While I generally stand foursquare in favor of cultural mixing 
(which has given us, e.g., much of the best popular music of the 20th 
century), I confess the practice I've just described makes me uneasy.

	If not wrong in some sense, it seems callous, tasteless, at least
tangentially dehumanizing.  Or just in touch with the times.  (Welcome to
the late 20th century, Mr. Maddox.  You're a science fiction writer, are 
you not?  I thought you *lived* here.)

	
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone, chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Is a bimbo the modern name for hussy?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:30:25 GMT
Summary: Skateboard babes

In article <1992Dec22.215850.379@cactus.org>, kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
> 
> My younger sisters (mid-twenties) use the words "bimbo" and
> "slut" in a completely non-gender-specific way.
> 
> This was a surprise to me when I first heard it, though a pleasant
> one. Maybe it's a New-ish Thing. They're both awfully cutting-edge.

You can add "babe" to this list. I saw an article on
"Skateboard Babes" in Sassy magazine. It was about the
different styles and personality types of the
title ( male ) subjects. I asked my daughter if it was
usual to refer to boys as babes and she gave a shrugging
affirmative. ( She's a high school senior. )

Lew Mammel, Jr.
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Chaucer. Was non-Rabelaisian farts
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:39:06 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org

In article <1hn95jINNf59@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>And to me a source of some pain that Godwin does not know Chaucer.

A very Fido-like response, but not based in anything I wrote. It will
be recalled that the most I said was that the fart humor in "The Miller's
Tale" could be called "Rabelaisian."

>The
>fact of the matter is that while an understanding of American literature
>might get by quite nicely without understanding Chaucer, that is not the
>case with English literature which, even up to the present day, is
>influenced more by Geoffrey Chaucer than any other writer not excluding
>William Shakespeare.

I'd say Shakespeare was more influential than Chaucer, but that has mostly
to do with the changes in English between Chaucer's century and
Shakespeare's.

>The *The Miller's Tale* is much, much more than a
>tale of a fart ....

Where did I dispute this? The fact that you are trying to attribute
the contrary view to me suggests that you have a lot of extra time
on your hands over the semester break.

> ... and *The Miller's Tale* is but a small part of *The
>Canterbury Tales*, which is astonishingly broad in its display of the
>human experience.

Well, of course, Fido. But careful readers will have noted that I
never purported to say anything different about THE CANTERBURY TALES from
what you write in this sentence.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your familiarity with Chaucer, even if 
you insist on using my purported unfamiliarity with Chaucer as an
excuse to do so.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:11:49 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1992Dec30.180149.5169@netcom.com> ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
>In article <1hs4avINN8nn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>>
>>Then there's the children's song GLADLY THE CROSSEYED BEAR.....
>
>And, in the spirit of the Christmas season:
>
>While shepherds washed their socks by night....
>-- 
>Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
>Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California

And please don't forget Silent Night's chubby Christmas pirate, Round John
Virgin. 

Mary Loveless  hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu
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"Too much of a good thing can be *wonderful*."  Mae West

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From: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: alcoholics synonymous
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:11:32 EST
Reply-To: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

In article <1992Dec13.1479.23155@channel1>, "dale smoak"
  <dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:

In article <hyj2#8#rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:

In article <1992Dec14.152650.23874@samba.oit.unc.edu> Joan Shields
writes:

Me:
>>>*Alcoholics Anonymous*.  In other words, the so-called big book of AA.
>>>The real life first person accounts in it can't be beat.

Jim:
>> On that note, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Barry Longyear's
>>_St. Mary Blue_, which he based on his experiences in a recovery program.

Joan:
>I'll put my biased two cents in as well.  if you find a copy give it a
>read.  It's a very realistic view of what it's like in an alcohol
>treatment facility.  It's not icky sweet or moralistic or sermon.

Along the same lines is the great poet John Berryman's novel *Recovery*.
It's written in first-person.  Its narrator describes his experiences in
a treatment facility that uses AA's program.  The book may not be sodden
with booze but it is awash in the watery thinking of an alcoholic who is
struggling to break through all of that.

Dale
---
  DeLuxe 1.26b #12237  dale.smoak#channel1.com/76350.3662@compuserve.com
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Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:06:32 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
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Ted Samsel writes
 
> Just finished this novel (as serialized cookbook) over the
> holiday weekend. Sort of a telenovela (Hispanic soap opera) with
> echoes of Garcia-Marquez and Isabel Allende. Takes place in
> Coahuila (Northern Mexico) and the recipes are great. Diana
> Kennedy has a laudatory blurb on the the back. It's by Laura
> Esquivel, a Mexican screen writer...
>   buen provecho...

Fancy you should mention it.  I got a copy of it for xmas
from my mother, whose taste for reading (rather than using)
cookbooks I share.  So, Ted, is it *good*?  

Rage away,

meg
(who has one more week of voluntary reading before the
semester begins, and with it the *Critique of Pure Reason*)


-- 

 Meg Worley 				Internet:  mworley@mathcs.emory.edu		
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From: vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni)
Subject: Re: Cambridge mimes & Third World Bookstores (was Re: Git)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:46:13 GMT

kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
>
>    Strictly speaking of used bookstores, I agree. Beyond McIntyre
> & Moore and Starr there are much better used bookstores in the
> outlying areas. I take this as a consequence of expensive Harvard
> Square rents. Still, for bookstores generally the Square is great. A
> guide to Cambridge Bookstores lists 19 in the vicinity and 32 in
> Cambridge.
>

    Yes, but if you are, say, looking for some _particular_ book, and not
    just out to view large numbers of books in general, you are pretty much 
    on the wrong track in Harvard Square. If you could (theoretically, of 
    course) park somewhere, and manage to make your way to all nineteen 
    bookstores without being shot, stabbed, or accosted by some tofu-crazed 
    street performer, you would find that, in fact, all nineteen stores have
    _exactly the same books_. (This is a Cambridge by-law, so that none
    of the stores has it's self-esteem damaged, all bookstores must stock
    exactly the same books. Another Cambridge by-law is that the great 
    majority of the books in any bookstore have to be on subjects in which no 
    living or dead human being (including the book's author) has ever -
    even fleetingly - shown any interest in whatsoever (e.g. _A Concise History
    of Umbrella Breeding_,)). Anyway, one trip to Borders, and one trip
    to the convenient Much-Ado used bookstore (right in Marblehead) will,
    in my experience, generally be more much productive (and all-around 
    _nicer_) than any amount of shopping in Harvard Square.


--
                                                         vince@gda.cadence.com

    Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe
        - John Lennon
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A fishy tale (was for newbies (was Project B.F.D. (was an apology))
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:55:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
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Mark Taranto writes:

	Alan Hunter writes:

		OBbook, don't have one, let me off, it's Christmas

	No problem -- besides, your article was Travel Literature 
	at its best.

Oh I dunno. I kept hoping his Gran'Pa would come out with the Classic
Fart.

							RABworm
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:52:07 EST

In article <1992Dec30.205213.25688@samba.oit.unc.edu>
joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) writes:
 
>Oh, almost forgot - anyone know anything about Robert J. Randisi?  He
>writes or wrote some US police procedurals and private detective novels.
>I read one of his short stories in a collection I ran across.  The short
>story was good so I thought I'd give his novels a try.
 
Randisi wrote a couple of books about a private detective named
Jacoby which I liked when I read them a few years ago.  He's also
written a western series -- The Gunsmith, I think it's called --
which I never read.  He shows up as a character in one of Max
Alan Collins's mysteries about the mystery writer.  It's the one
set at a mystery convention.  At least, I assume that's Randisi as
the guy from Brooklyn.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.books.technical
Subject: Re: The Online BookStore Announcement: The Internet Companion
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:39:49 GMT

From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
>jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail) writes:
>
>>The best-seller part is no mystery. They just go out and buy their own book
>>in sufficient quantity to hit the volume mark. (Then re-sell them, I guess?)
>
>That's plain ridiculous. No publisher does that. The word "best-seller"
>has no real meaning, so anyone can call any book that.
>-- 
>||  Why quote someone else?  ||

No honest publisher does it, but I have read magazine articles which state
that the Church of Scientology did exactly that to put L. Ron Hubbard's books
on best seller lists.  (Sound reasonable to me--I've read some of that tripe.)
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: non-fiction reading (was Re: _Dog Soldiers_ by R. Stone, a wild ride!)
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:01:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1992Dec22.003611.17050@u.washington.edu> twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
>In article <qkfrv5+@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.175019.5560@u.washington.edu> twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
>>	You might take a gander at _King Solomon's Ring_, by Konrad Z. Lorenz.

>Which is Lorenz's book about? 

	Geese.

	(Honk if you've imprinted on Konrad.)

	
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone, chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
From: gunthar@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Common rare books
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:36:54 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University


As a book collector I've done my share of nosing around dusty old stores and
flea markets.  One thing I've noticed is that _Treasure Island_ seems to be the
most published book in the last hundred years.  It's everywhere I look!  

I collect old (pre 1930) editions of the classics so I'd like to get a copy of
it eventually; but I'd prefer to get one from a year that it wasn't so mass
produced.  

I'm not talking 1st edition, but I would perfer an elderly copy.

Can someone suggest a good year to aim for?

G.
From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: _Stark Naked_
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:44:37 GMT

In article <NICHAEL.92Dec23100408@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
>
>Way back, lo these many years, I saw a book called, of all things,
>_Stark Naked_. 

>Anyway, does anyone know this book or, preferably, know where I can
>find a copy?

>BTW, the subtitle is "A [?????] Fantasy"; does anyone know a name for
>this type of pun/joke?

	Could it be: *Stark naked: a paranomastic odyssey*?
		Random House: 1969

	by Norton Juster [sounds like one of the characters in it] 

	Illustrated by Arnold Roth.

You might have confused "odyssey" and "fantasy" - it's that iota
subscript locution I imagine.

Keith - not Henry - Morgan


--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Wits and Half-Wits (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split...)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:15:17 GMT

mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin):
>>>    Teach your grandmother to suck eggs.  
>It should be obvious that Tom is alluding to Shakespeare's highly quotable
>play "As You Like It," where Jacques says he can suck melancholy out of a
>song as a weasel sucks eggs. Tom is using this allusion to call Dani a weasel.

Wrong wrong wrong.  You see, Mike, even you sometimes make the mistake
of attributing uncharitable motives where none are present.  Tom was
obviously alluding to the crass materialism which too often attends
Christmas, and was reminding us that education is the most precious
of gifts.  There, aren't you embarrassed?

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: John Sayles
Organization: Clark University
Date: 23 DEC 92 15:29:20 GMT

Over the weekend I saw John Sayles' new film "Passion Fish", and
enjoyed it very much.  I've decided I'm definitely in love with
David Strathairn.  I've also decided to read some of Sayles' fiction,
something I've been postponing for a while.  I'm not sure why I've been
postponing it.  Several times I've had a book of his in my hand, right
on the verge of buying it, when I've changed my mind.  Perhaps it's
because I read an excerpt from _Pride of the Bimbos_ once, and didn't
like it; but then, it's unfair to judge based on an excerpt, and I
loved Sayles' essay on Dick Stuart in _Cult Baseball Players_, so I
know I like his writing.  I'm going to give _Pride of the Bimbos_
another chance.  Has anyone read Sayles' other novels, and if so, which
would they recommend?  How about his short stories?

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Organization: master/peon
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 17:48:08 GMT

In article <sph0301.133.725726470@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu>, sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes:
> 
> In article <1hs4avINN8nn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:

Howz about these timeless (and true! beauties):

JUST LIKE THE ONE-WINGED DOVE  (Should be WHITE-WINGED)

BIG OLE JED HAD THE LIGHT ON (Big Old Jet Airliner)

DIRTY DEEDS DONE IN A JEEP (Done Dirt Cheap)

DO ME LIKE A LADY (Dude Looks Like A Lady)

Any set of lyrics from Louie, Louie


Jon jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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