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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:47:32 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Oct8.210025.15371@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
>The problem is: how do you get these guys out of *YOUR* newsgroup.  And the
>answer is: there is no answer.  Just about every single newsgroup I've ever
>read for more than two weeks has had some sort of invasion at some point in
>time.  Either by those kind of cross-posting, "everybody-on-the-net-loves-our-
>little-joke" terrorists or by the mutated thread from hell or something which
>was misposted to the wrong group in the first place but is spawning followups,
>anyway.  There's just nothing you can do about it and nothing you *should*
>do about it.  If your little newsgroup is so important and wonderful, it'll
>survive and thrive in spite of these things.

Redirecting off-topic posts to the correct topic (which the poster
*may* not be aware of) is why we have the "Followup-to:" header item.

The Chuthlu-heads may have found that the ghost-stories group was
the only thing even close to their "religion" (believe me, with some
of 'em it comes close...) and decided to use it.  Mebbe they aren't
aware of how to create a new group for themselves.

Of course, it *could* be that they are just net.terrorists that
nothing will help, but it doesn't hurt to TRY to get 'em channeled
into a group of their own if they are generating enough traffic
to support one.

>Another reason you shouldn't make alt.fan.cthulhu is that it won't solve your
>problem.  You're being extremely naive to assume that the terriorists were
>only posting to your group because they lacked their own.  I've got news for

True, if they are net.terrorists.  False if they are merely net.misguided.

>you: they were (gasp!) doing it on purpose!  Somehow, I don't they're going to
>change their behavior because you've "thoughtfully" created them a newsgroup
>to go play in.  Newsgroups should be created only by people who truly want
>to use them.

Or as a public service for the people who are interested in ghost stories
and want to get back to their business.  Don't assume they're net.terrorists
until they've had a chance to show themselves as respectable and refused
it.

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		hartman@uLogic.COM

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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:49:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <BvpwHJ.Gyv@uunet.uu.net> peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>This is a Request for Discussion for reorganizing the comp.windows hierarchy,
>motivated by the inability of MS-DOS users to realise that there are other
>window systems in the world.


 How ever you finally succeed in renaming the groups, please try to get the
names done in such an order that a minor system such as X-Windows is not 
confused with a large, well known system such as MS-Windows, to avoid more 
trouble in the future.

 It's sometimes distressing to see a small group of enthusiasts "capture"
a word to keep as their own when it's only going to create trouble when they
collide with the real world.  Maybe a "reality check" should be mandatory
when group names are proposed?

 (For those of you who are ironically challenged, the purpose of this posting
was to point out the immense pomposity of the original post.)

Larry J
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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:14:44 GMT

In article <id.XJYT.4PI@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:

>>  How ever you finally succeed in renaming the groups, please try to get the
>> names done in such an order that a minor system such as X-Windows is not 
>> confused with a large, well known system such as MS-Windows, to avoid more 
>> trouble in the future.

>I don't suppose you've heard of 8 1/2, MGR, or any of the other higher
>quality window systems out there. X has no problem holding its own.
>Unfortunately.

  I don't normally follow the stories of trivial systems such as these.  
They probably have their advocates, both of whom want to start newsgroups
called comp.smudge.windows.something.else.misnamed.

>Reality check: try reading it with knee pads. You can damage your leg with
>it jerking around like that.

  Oh my! Such small bait is required for some people :-).

  Larry J
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From: cs_jh@cox.nsac.ns.ca (Dr Jeff Hoyle)
Subject: What ever happened to sci.chem.organomet discussion?
Keywords: sci.chem.organomet
Organization: NS Agricultural College
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:07:06 GMT

What ever happened to the discussions concerning the sci.chem.organomet 
group?  Although I did not feel able to support that proposal I had 
indicated that a split of sci.chem into:

	sci.chem.organic
	sci.chem.inorganic
	sci.chem.physical
	sci.chem.analytical
	sci.chem.general
	
plus other possibilities....
would be something that I would be happy to support.  Then at a later date a 
further sub-division of sci.chem.organic into.... if necessary.
The discussion I saw mostly supported this sort of split.  The discussion 
seemed to be lively!!!  

WHAT HAPPENED ??????
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From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:45:41 GMT

In article <RICH.92Oct10013832@kappa.Rice.edu> Rich@rice.edu writes:
>Although DOS and Windows based X servers have their own merits, as it
>stands, the charter is for discussion of a free X11R5 port which is
>only supported on PC unix-like systems.

There are many folks (like me) which would not support a charter so
restricted.  We would ask that you strike the word `free' from your
description.  There is much commonality between XFree86, the commercial
SGCS and Metrolink systems, and the vendor-supplied X packages.  It
would be helpful to have a place to discuss all of these.  This would
not detract or demean from the ability of this group to support XFree86.
It would simply extend the charter to include more people.  For example,
even though Thomas Roell is no longer involved in the free X server
project, I'm sure he would read and contribute to the more general
group.  I think that's a contribution the XFree86 users would welcome.

David's name change reflects this broader charter.  I strongly support
it, and ask that others do too.

>As a cooperative effort, both the users and the developers would benefit
>from a forum focused on exchange of ideas specifically about the sources
>and binaries which make up the free port.  It's also a forum for comparison
>and discussion of kernel support for X.

Ouch!!!  You are leaving out the users.  Most of the people who want
XFree86 just want to run the thing, they don't want to be X code
hackers.  Many of the issues they confront are the same ones the users
of commercial X distributions also have to handle.

>I don't agree that discussion of DOS and Windows servers would enhance
>the proposed charter.

If you are arguing that DOS-based X servers don't belong in this group,
I think David agrees with you.  I know from private email that he
explicitly wanted to make a distinction between Unix (and Unixishy)
X systems and others, and support only the former with this newsgroup.
You might be reading too deeply between lines which don't exist.
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Quotes/Tags/.Sigs group?
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:50:43 GMT
Organization: negligable

I'd go for it.

rec.signatures?


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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:43:42 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat):
>Why then is there a need for comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit and
>comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit?

Because of Microport, who tried to do the impossible (porting SysV to
the 286) and came awfully close.  Unfortunately, they shipped their
betas, and some customers never forgave them.  And yet, others _do_
still use it!
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From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:39:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I would like to know why this  -- alternative medicine --- 
newsgroup has so much difficulty passing.
Is there a vote required on all new newsgroups?
Isn't it supposed to be after one month?
I do not understand the procedure since I have only been
reading Usenet for several months.

I regret however to  see the  Herbalism, the Sustainable
Agriculture, and now the Alternative Medicine newsgroup
proposals seeming to vanish among the forest of postings.

I of course vote yes for all of these.
Again I have to state, concerning the discussion of alternative
medicine as worthy to be a newsgroup....
then why for example are there several drug newsgroups which
regularly discuss producing and taking every possible chemical
combination one can imagine (apparently for the purpose of
getting high)...I do not hear anyone protesting the legitimacy
of these groups.
Yet as soon as herbal medicine or alternative medicine is
even suggested, suddenly we get a raging forest fire.
I am beginning to feel that of all the scientific professions
in the U.S., the medical profession is the most monolithic
and intolerant.  And often those is other fields of science
here seem to automatically assume that American medicine has
the answers, forget European medicine with its herbal drugs,
forget Chinese  medicine, forget traditional medicine through
the millennia.  No.  Let's give our 100% support to those
American drug companies who ironically end up scrambling 
through the rain forests looking for a tribal cure plant,
then frantically trying to extract a =single= compound out
of said plant, to be synthesized and sold under the label
of course, at a fancy price.
Whose idea was it, originally, that given a plant which has
traditionally been effective for centuries against a given
illness, that only =one= chemical should be extracted from
that plant to then be called the proper =drug= to be used
for the same illness?  Has anybody ever questioned that
assumption?  Not in the U.S. med establishment apparently.
Can you imagine going to the doctor with a cancer, and
having the doctor =prescribe= the periwinkle plant and
perhaps give you a dozen starter plants to plant in your
back yard?  How much could he charge for such a service?

-- 
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            looks promising.... |-)
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.190158.5575@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> rdc30@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Code-03 LCDR Michael E. Dobson) writes:
:In article <631@lax.lax.pe-nelson.com> twbrown@PE-Nelson.COM (Tom W. Brown) writes:
:
:>
:>Question: Should the "comp.os.ms-windows" hierarchy be moved to a
:>          "comp.gui.ms-windows" hierarchy? (1/2 :-)
:>
:Sigh, how soon people forget.  This whole problem with MS-windows users
:posting to the c.w.misc, etc groups is a direct result of the split/reorg
:which moved comp.windows.msdos to comp.os.ms-windows.*  If all the new
:groups had been left in comp.windows.ms.*, we likely wouldn't have this
:problem.
:

Actually, Peter and I don't forget since we were there back then cheering
for the re-org.  Lest YOU forget, one reason that non-msdos folk were for
the split was because the comp.windows.msdos folk wouldnt stay there, but
kept posting things about Windows video boards, etc. in comp.windows.news
(ah, it must be for news about msdos windows), comp.windows.misc (ah, it
must be for any subject I want), comp.windows.x (ah, this is like algrebra -
and I want to talk about X y and Z concerning MSDOS Windows...)...  Sigh.
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From: bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:31:36 GMT
Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC

In article <id.ON0U.JI8@ferranti.com>, peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.224905.5776@ais.com> bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes:
>> Unfortunately moving things like X to a .gui hierarchy is _also_ going
>> to cause problems for those new (and clueless) people looking for
>> information on X.
> 
> comp.gui.x-windows.*?

I think as long as you have the string "window" in the group name,
you are going to have clueless MS-Windows people stumble onto the
group;  and just because there are so many of them, they could
easily overwhelm a small group like comp.windows.misc -- in other
words, naming it comp.gui.misc-windows (for example) won't help either.

On the other hand, not having "x" and "window" in the group name will
make it harder for people interested in x -- I don't think comp.gui.x
is anywhere near as intuitive.

>> I don't think any amount of reorganization is going to remove the
>> problem of irrelevant cross-posting;
> 
> Irrelevant cross-posting isn't the problem. Most of the messages in question
> are only posted to comp.windows.misc. Crossposting is easy to deal with:
> just add "/ms-windows/h:j" to your kill file.

Perhaps I should amplify my statement.  I don't think any amount of
reorganization will remove the problem of articles posted to the
wrong group.  comp.windows.* isn't the only hierarchy with that
problem -- _all_ of the groups do to some extent.  I have a hard
time imagining any reorganization that would sufficiently hide the
group to keep most of the MS-Windows people out while still making
it relatively easily findable by others.

>> The problem could probably be
>> reduced by having more frequent postings about what the various
>> comp.os.ms-windows.* and comp.windows.* newsgroups _are_,
> 
> I assume you're volunteering to do this? We tried that already, you know.

Not very well.  A short charter article should be posted often enough
and with an expiration far enough in the future to keep a copy of it
around (and likely the first item on everyone's news list) essentially
indefinitely.  This has not been done, at least not recently.

Bruce C. Wright
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From: cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.mecha
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:04:35 GMT

In article <439@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>Wouldn't these fit under the existing frp topic?
>
>The problem w/ battletech (& the other mecha games) was that 
>they weren't (quite) role playing, they weren't (quite) board
>games, they weren't (quite) wargames.....
>
>Not to mention that we also are including the other types of
>games (mainly computer-based) that also are related.

Well, let's check here....
ADND (roleplaying in general) goes into rec.games.frp.misc (because it is of
	a general nature)
ADND (specific roleplaying) goes under rec.games.frp.dnd (because our traffic 
	was so large that it overwhelmed .misc)
ADND (tabletop - Battlesystem) goes under rec.games.board (because it is a 
	tabletop game)
ADND - SSI's _Curse of the Azure bonds (the Commodore 64 version) goes 
	under comp.sys.cbm (we're too small to have a hierarchy)
ADND - SSI's _Eye of the Beholder ][_ (PC version) goes under comp.sys.
	ibm.pc.games (because it is a BIG hierarchy)
ADND - _Spellfire_ (the book), goes somewhere else (I don't know where, I 
	don't read ALL the groups B^)
ADND - SUX because {it doesn't have skills, it's level based, it's too
	unwieldy...} goes into rec.games.frp.advocacy
ADND - wanna sell some old stuff goes into rec.games.frp.marketplace
ADND - Looking for players/pbem/GMs goes into rec.games.frp.announce

Well, hell.  I'm tired of posting to all these groups.  I'd like to propose
rec.games.adnd  B^P

-Coyt

Xref: sparky news.groups:18969 comp.sys.mac.programmer:16727
From: werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: MacApp group vote delayed
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:59:26 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.157.31

Today is the day I was going to post the CFV for comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3. 
But one of the people who manage the AppleLink mailing list the group would
be gatewayed with has asked me to wait a few days so he can do a little
more research and some campaigning about the vote.  This is fine with me,
so I'll post the CFV sometime next week.

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From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:06:13 GMT

In article <2AD47812.6BF2@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> According to dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E Wexelblat):
> >	Request For Discussion - comp.windows.x.i386unix, unmoderated
> 
> What about the 486?
> 
> I'd suggest the name "comp.windows.x.pc-clone" instead, to avoid
> mentioning the 386 (the same reason why comp.unix.sysv386 has already
> been renamed to comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, though the rmgroup message
> hasn't been issued yet).  Or maybe "comp.unix.pc-clone.x".
> -- 
> Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>    "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini


Well, "comp.windows.x.pc-clone" will get DOS and Windows folks involved,
and we don't want that.  "comp.unix.pc-clone.x" would include 16-bit machines.
"comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit.x" is just too much, in my opinion.

I don't think I've heard any really good answers yet.  The majority feeling
amongst our beta-testers was to keep it under comp.window.x, rather than
under comp.unix (because Mach and Linux are not Unix).  But 
comp.windows.x.pc-clone.32bit.unix just doesn't cut it :->

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From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA
	<1992Oct10.194541.6848@chinacat.unicom.com>
	<1992Oct10.221519.7072@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.221519.7072@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:

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From: v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ninstar Cybermage - Back Again from the Mists!)
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Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.mecha
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:24:00 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

By all means, please do set this group up.  It'll be nice to know where to go
to discuss these things so that we don't have to deal with people saying,"Cut
out the Battletech talk!  We're sick of it!"  as if we weren't sick of hearing
about Gurps or whatever system they've been pushing, and as if they have more
right to be here than we do.

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <N3LDsB4w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-jwelch@jwt.UUCP (Johnathon Welch) writes:
>> So please, those of you who have a kneejerk reaction to an otherwise worthy
>> newsgroup or alt. group to say "You slobs, USE A KILLFILE," try remembering
>> that not everyone CAN.

>Thanks Joel, yes people, some of us CANT use a killfile..  Some of us 
>DONT go to college and have access to a UNIX system!

Ahhh, logic.  "If we don't have 'em, then it's our moral duty to drag those
that do back to the dark ages."

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.084003.29464
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <rawdon.718939267@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <N3LDsB4w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-jwelch@jwt.UUCP (Johnathon Welch) writes:
>>Thanks Joel, yes people, some of us CANT use a killfile..  Some of us 
>>DONT go to college and have access to a UNIX system!
>
>Ahhh, logic.  "If we don't have 'em, then it's our moral duty to drag those
>that do back to the dark ages."

	Better than "Let them eat cake."

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From: rlm@surfcty.com (Robert McMillin)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: PeaceNet/The Well
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:26:17 PDT
Distribution: us
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

I ask this for a friend who has no net access.  Can anyone explain 
PeaceNet?  What is it, how does it operate, and how would people gain 
access to it?  Also, what is the WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link), 
etc., etc., etc.  Please respond via e-mail, as I do not subscribe to
this group.
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