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From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Re: BUG of feature: cannot move `foo' accross file systems
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:21:54 GMT


In article <1993Jan3.205523.23937@klaava.Helsinki.FI> kankkune@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Risto Kankkunen) writes:

   >that's a feature, not a bug.
   >many *nix'es don't allow that.

   OK, I can live with that, but is there any reason for this? I haven't
   checked the sources (yet), but I think disallowing just requires extra
   code with no benefits. Afterall, symlink is just a file containing the
   path name of the file it points to.

You just explained why it *doesn't* work.  It is a FILE containing
that name.  Files simply don't move across filesystems very well.

michaelkjohnson
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Timezone support
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:59:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

richb@jti.com (Richard Braun) writes:

>I've created /etc/tzname.  I've set my TZ environment variable.  I've
>downloaded the Gnu timezone source code.  But I'm still missing
>something.  The shared C library's localtime() function simply isn't
>picking up the info.

>How do I get the date program and others to use EST5EDT instead of GMT?

The timezone code in libc is based on POSIX-complaint code submitted
to Berkeley, because at the time I first started testing it, that code
was in much better shape than Gnu's timezone code.  It needs
/usr/lib/zoneinfo.  There are really only one or two necessary files:
/usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime and /usr/lib/zoneinfo/posixrules.
Localtime defines the zone to be used if TZ is not set (the default
zone).  It should be a copy of or symlink to the zone file for your
time zone.  If you don't do anything fancy, that's really all you
need.  On the other hand, if you always set TZ, you don't need
localtime at all.  If like to use TZ (either to define your normal
zone, or because you like being able to change zones), you need
posixrules.  Posixrules defines the rules to be used to interpret the
TZ variable.  If you need strict POSIX compliance, posixrules should
be a copy of or link to one of the US zones, e.g.
/usr/lib/zoneinfo/US/Eastern (it shouldn't matter which one) because
POSIX specifies that the defaults used in parsing TZ are based on the
US rules.  If I were somewhere outside the U.S., I'd be highly tempted
to ignore Posix and make posixrules a copy of or link to localtime, so
that my local rules were used as the defaults.

/usr/lib/zoneinfo is included in Hlu's base distribution, along with
time.doc, which describes how to set up time, and clock, a utility for
setting up time from the CMOS clock, and also resetting the CMOS
clock.  (I believe cs.rutgers.edu:/pub/linux/timebin.tar.Z contains
just the time stuff.  /usr/lib/zoneinfo and time.doc from there should
still be OK if that's all you need.  I wouldn't use the executables
from that distribution, as they are quite old.)  Both of these sources
of zoneinfo include definition files for an immense number of time
zones.  (Did you ever wonder what special rules were used for time
zones in the Navajo nation?  BSD's got them.)  You really only need
files for the zones you're going to use.  Indeed once you've got the
right file copied to localtime and/or posixrules, you can remove all
the others if you want to.  

You can also copy /usr/lib/zoneinfo (or just the files from it that
you need) from your friendly local Sun or other BSD-based system.  I'm
fairly sure the file formats are compatible.
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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: It's installed, now what?  (was Re: A flight of marketing fancy)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:24:48 GMT

In article <1igrp7INNdp8@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>In article <C0FvMp.A2y@jti.com> richb@jti.com (Richard Braun) writes:
>>
>>I was musing a number of hours after the above about where I go from
>>here with my newly-installed Linux system.  If I throw out my
>>mailing-list, address-book, word-processing, and spreadsheet programs
>>previously used on the system, and manage to decide that I never want
>>to use them again, I still have the following question:
>>
>>	Now what?
>
>Well, I've got TeX and vi, with xdvi for previewing, so that takes care
>of the word processing :-)

  Hmm so I was right 'bout TeX.  

>
>The programming environment is far superior to anything MS-DOS has to
>offer, and with f2c I've got a fairly reasonable FORTRAN compiler for
>work; when g77 comes out, I'll hurry and install it.  Gnuplot takes
>care of the graphics side of things.

  Is there a Modula-2 compiler out there for Linux?  I know there is
a pascal one on my system, I think. Is there?

>


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From: root@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: real time
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:57:12 GMT
Reply-To: p_copela@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The New University in the West of England, Bristol (WEB)


Of no real value to the debate, there is yet another solution but it's
a bit of a cheat. As I work in the transputer labs, I have axcess to
several b004/b008 transputer cards for the PC which I can quite happily
set running RT applications (sig processing mainly) running on the
transputers,.. data can be cashed or transfered back and forth from the
i[3/4]86 to the t800's such that by writing the code with some
'intelligence' it's possible to maintain a RT system outside of the 
kernel by getting a foreign processor to do the work for you,... mind 
you the cost is a bit on the heavy side + the transputer development
tools available are errrm 'primitive' but that doesn't stop cross
compilations from a sun being mish mashed with a common FS (NFS springs
to mind) but all of this is academic, the main problem is in the
specification for your RTS.

Phil
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From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Re: XWindows and virtual consoles
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:20:11 GMT


In article <Lu8qwB1w165w@dat1hb.north.de> lion@dat1hb.north.de (Daniel Tietze) writes:

   1) After starting X, I cannot switch to the other virtual consoles any more.
   ALT-F1 through ALT-F4 simply dump strange characters in the shell window.
   Coming to think of it, I have only tried this with the focus on the shell
   window, not with focus on the desktop. Could this be the problem? My SCO
   system at work switches to and fro quit well, even from and to X (or, rather,
   Motif) sessions. Any suggestions?

Yeah:  wait.  The current version of Xfree86 does not yet take
advantage of the brand-new kernel features for doing this.

   1.a) Is MOTIF free? Is there any chance for a Motif port to Linux? If
   I'm not mistaken, Motif is a product of the FSF, the first F meaning "free".

No, you are mistaken.  It is from the OSF, the O meaning Open, not
free.  Motif is *DEFINITELY* not free.  Check the prices on the Motif
libs sometime when you want sticker shock...

   Does anyone see a possibility of developing the software at home and then
   simply taking a tar archive to work now and then and cimpiling it there? Of
   course, this would depend on a positive answer to item 1.a.

Well, you could buy the motif source from OSF, and then I imagine it
might work. ;-)

michaelkjohnson
From: Mark.Woolfson@f1.n2250.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Woolfson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Xconfig
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 14:40:00 -0800

Does anyone out there have an Xconfig for an ATI VGA Wonder XL card.  My

mouse is not working and I can't do a damn thing when I get a good 
screen.


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(1:2250/1.0)
From: Larry.Mulcahy@f918.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: A few misc questions, and
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 23:20:00 -0800

Overcome with nausea on 12-31-92  23:01, Randy Beiter retched up these
words:

 RB> Question #2: I snagged the tinymush nad tinyfugue binaries from
tsx-11
 RB> to play with, and am curious about something: I am
 RB> running a completely isolated linux system, no ethernet
 RB> card, no TSP/IP feed or anything, is it still possible
 RB> to connect to a certain port on my own system? like
 RB> connecting to localhost? *which doesn't work :)*

I was trying the same thing a couple of weeks ago.  Depending on what
version of Linux you have, you may have to recompile the kernel to turn
TCP/IP on.  If your kernel has TCP/IP, it will say something about
AF_INET sockets when you reboot.  

The next thing is you must get the 0.8.1 version of config.  ("Go to
Rizzo's ftp site.  Ask for louie.")

Another non-obvious feature is that telnet doesn't work.  You can't
telnet to your mud.  This is just more incentive to get tinyfugue
working.

There is a Linux NET FAQ that actually explains all of this pretty
well,
especially if you read it over and over.  

One thing I'd like to see in the NET FAQ is a description of how to set
up the software for a local-only configuration with no ethernet card. 
This must be a fairly common first step.


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From: norsk@mobius (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: Pentium P5 (586) vs. i486 upgradable socket?
Reply-To: doug_thompson@novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:52:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.165948.28260@athena.mit.edu>, Alex Nemirovsky
<AN72958%LTUVAX.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu> writes:
> just a quick questions.. rumor has it that the P5 is going to be a
> 100 MIPS machine...  and most highend 486's are about 20 MIPS.
I just bet its marketing hype again
before the 486 chips hit the street intel was saying 15 mips for 33
mhz and 26 for 50 mhz. Probably will be in the 50-60 mhz range
in a real machine
> 
> does anyone know if the upgrade socket on i486's allows you
> to stick in a P5 or something of that nature?

sorry no

> I have heard (again hearsay) that is there is a chip in the
> upgrade slot the orginal Cpu is bypassed.
> 
> if anyone knows... please straighten me out.
> 
> just to know if I can upgrade if a decide to go with a 486 and not wait
> for the P5 whick might not be supported by Linux anytime soon.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
email:   norsk@novell.com or doug_thompson@novell.com
phone:   801-429-3495
"If your think education is expensive, just try ignorance."
From: sdh@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Heavner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Communications for 14.4k modem (kermit patch anyone?)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:09:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sdh@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Heavner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


	Are there any Communications programs out there for
linux which will let me set my modem speed to 57,600???  I
have tried kermit + seyon and neither will let me use either
14.4k or 57.6k.   The only thing I have that goes that fast
is the program that came with the modem for Windows, but the
stupid windows text scrolls really slow down terminal access,
aside from that, you can't do anything while you are downloading.


				Scott
				sdh@po.cwru.edu
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From: creacy@yuppie.enet.dec.com (Chet Creacy)
Subject: SLIP???
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:01:26 GMT


SLIP ---
	What is it?
	What is the latest version that is compatible w/ SLS 0.99?
	Where can I get it (host and location)?

Thanks in advance,

Chet
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: The backup problem (was Re: tar won't do multi-volume archives)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:51:59 GMT

Richard Braun (richb@jti.com) wrote:

: Among the DOS utilities I gave up in order to run Linux was 'FastBack'.
: This is a program which does multi-volume compressed backups in a hurry,
: and it puts of the day one has to give in and replace the 3.5" diskette
: with a tape drive.
: 
: Tar doesn't support this feature.  Among all the contributors to Linux,
: has anyone solved the backup problem using any technology which can be
: had for <US$300?  Byte for byte, tape drives are more expensive than disk,
: and worse, tape media and formats have diverged wildly in recent years.

tar -Mz doesn't work??  Mine does - maybe you have a bad/old copy of tar...

-M = multi-volume, -z = compressed.
-- 
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and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
From: pfr@psun2.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: progress...but telnet still not working
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:21:21 +0100
Organization: Hahn-Meitner-Institut Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: psun2.hmi.de


Thanks for helpful hints on getting telnet to work. I am afraid I am some
sort of guinea pig for those writing docs...

The status now is that ftp <ip number> results in an error message
'network not reachable'. ftp loopback works alright but only (from root)
to root, not to another user on my machine. Also in ftp loopback, the ls or
dir command does not work but may-be that is normal.

This is what I did:

(1) grabbed the SLS package around Dec. 20. It contains version 0.99 of
    linux and 0.98.5 (or similar) for tcpip. Installed the a,b,t,x disks
    but omitted a few parts (uucp is one that I remember).
(2) configured my WD card to irq=5 and io=280. It's still 16 bit and not
    8 bit as the docs demand. Important? I would NOT go the extra 500 miles
    and install/use gcc to 'recompile' something.
(3) installed the lib41 libraries from the c2 disk of SLS, just in case they
    really matter.
(4) edited rc.local in order to get rid of sticky softland.com hosts.
(5) ran install.net.

On booting there are no error messages that I would recognize, except for
complaints about missing NFS packages. 

Anyone can give me a clue what to try next? I am definitely not close to
being a unix expert.

Wolfgang Fritsch
pfr@psun2.hmi.de
From: ghart@ems.cdc.com (Geoffrey Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: X-windows & aliases
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:40:39 GMT
Reply-To: ghart@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <fluet.726525307@ee.ualberta.ca>, fluet@ee.ualberta.ca (Kevin Blaine Fluet) writes:
|> john.will@satalink.com (John Will)  writes:
|> >Can anyone tell me how you get your aliases that appear in .profile to
|> >be recognized when you're running X-Windows?  I have X running like a
|> 
|> Me too, please.  Not being able to type ll in an X terminal is driving me
|> nuts!  Am I missing some file somewhere?  (I'm running SLS .99 with
|> Xfree1.1 by the way).

It seems to me that the standard window manager or the standard X resources
for Xterm try and use /bin/sh as the shell.  I changed mine to /bin/bash
and everything works.  On my system, /bin/sh was a link to /bin/bash, so
apparently bash was detecting it's name, and turning on only the
appropriate features (aliases aren't sh).

Another note: I don't think aliases are normally exported to subshells,
whereas .bashrc (or whatever's in ENV) is executed by subshells, so my rule
is to put alias definitions in .bashrc.  I'm more familiar with ksh, but I
think the bash behavior matches ksh in this case.  Perhaps some bash
experts would expand on this?

-- 
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From: juergen@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Juergen Stuber)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: LILO 7 and LINUX 0.99.1
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:43:31 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Informatik
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Juergen.Stuber@mpi-sb.mpg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: mpii02000.ag2.mpi-sb.mpg.de

In article <72348@cup.portal.com>, Dave-Nuttall@cup.portal.com (David Dave Nuttall) writes:
|> I can make a LILO 7 floppy which boots fine, but attempts to
|> make the hard drive bootable are failures.  Would appreciate
|> insights other than RTFM/FAQs. 
|> 
|> My /etc/lilo/config is:
|> install = /etc/lilo/boot.b
|> image = /Image
|>   label = lin-hd
|>   root  = /dev/hda1
|> 
|> If I run:
|> $ROOT/etc/lilo/lilo - C /etc/lilo/config $*
|> 
|> no errors are reported.
|> Then I sync and reboot.
|> The system reports NO OS.

Others have already suggested booting from /dev/hda, which works.

When I installed lilo, I read the docs and decided to boot from
/dev/hda1, to avoid replacing my master boot sector.  I encountered
the same problem, but being curious I went as far as disassembling
the master boot record.  Everything looked perfect, except that upon
booting I got 'Missing Operating System'.  Finally, I tracked down
the problem to a slight inconsistency in the partition table.  For
each partition, it records the beginning of a partition both in terms
of its cylinder/head/sector and as the offset of the partition from
the partition table in sectors. The cylinder/head/sector address is
used by the master boot record for loading the boot sector and was
set to 0/1/1, while linux apparently uses the offset, which was 1,
corresponding to sector 0/0/2.

         Sector 1             Sector 2          Sector 3 ... Sector 17
Head 0   Master Boot Record   Lilo Boot Sector  Data
Head 1   MBR loaded this one
..

After changing the 0/1/1 to 0/0/2 everything now goes smoothly.

Notes:
- neither DOS nor linux fdisk reported this inconsistency
- I don't know who wrote this entry.  DOS partitions always start
  at the beginning of a track, so maybe DOS fdisk 'corrected'
  the table.

Hope this makes things clearer
    be careful with your partition table
        don't blame me if you blow up your disk

Jrgen

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From: jrc@brainiac.mn.org (Jeffrey Comstock)
Subject: Re: Need 3c501 driver 
Organization: Sewer of Source Code
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:13:55 GMT

In article <726375686snx@crynwr.com> nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.031516.25491@brainiac.mn.org> jrc@brainiac.mn.org writes:
>
>   I am sure somebody out there has hacked a 3c501 driver for Linux. If
>   you have one, please email it to me.......
>
>Go buy yourself a real Ethernet card.  You can get NE2000 clones for
>under $100 now...
>

I don't want to buy a real ethernet card.  I have a real ethernet card.  I
also have some crappy ethernet cards, and I need a driver for them.  They 
aren't even 3c501's, they are 3c500's - those big blue monsters that shipped
in '85. 

Next time someone asks me for a packet driver, I'm gonna say 'go get a real
ndis driver', just so I can be a prick like you.


-- 
Jeffrey R. Comstock 
HOME  jrc@brainiac.mn.org
CW    -. .-. ----- -..
From: pfr@psun2.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Getting talk, telnet, ftp to work
Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:14:24 +0100
Organization: Hahn-Meitner-Institut Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: psun2.hmi.de

 I am not the original poster of the reference message but I also have
problems getting telnet to work. I am not sure I know what the problem is
but...: when I run install.net it always quotes softland as the hostname
(I think this is what is called "hostname"). In the README it says one should
"define the hostname" but is does not say how to define it. Sorry, sorry for
this question which might be primitive for someone knowledgeble...

Wolfgang Fritsch
pfr@psun2.hmi.de
From: cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("St.John-Olcaytoe", Electrical Engineering)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: More Xterms ???
Keywords: xterm, termcap
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:12:42 GMT
Reply-To: cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

Yesterday I posted a question regarding the Xconfig file.  I'd like
to thank everyone who helped out. X now works.

My new problem is:

Sometimes within an xterm when I try to start a new xterm (i.e. on
the command line) I get the message

   no available termcap entry

and xterm aborts.

However, if I seem to able to get many xterms going if I start them
via the window manager i.e. using the popdown menu of twm.

What's going on ?  Anbody know ?

Ender

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