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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Advice to CEREBUS Readers (was Re: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&D))
Summary: avoiding problems with jerk comic dealers
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:03:45 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
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Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)

In article <1992Sep3.015615.21050@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Well, I just finished reading all of the Cerebus phonebooks today (started 
>Saturday night), and jauntily went to the comic shop to pick up as many M&D as 
>I could find.  Sadly, the only shop that carries Cerebus is run by jerks who 
>cut their order of it to about half the demand so that they'd be guaranteed 
>sell-out and also have more room for Image books to sit around forever.

To all you CEREBUS folks out there who are tired of you comic store
getting CEREBUS in late, not having good quantity, and generally
pandering to the 12-15 year old set, there is a solution.

Direct mail.

Yep.  Just call up Dave or Ger, tell them you want CEREBUS mailed to
your home, and you won't ever have to worry about not finding it on the
stands again.  Each issue is mailed flat, with a cardboard back and a
comic-book bag.  What more could you want?

My story -- not only did my comic store (Atlantis in Santa Cruz) usually
get CEREBUS in late, they ordered very few so that, as David observed,
they always sold out.  The final straw was the day I asked for the Free
Cerebus, they told me that, not only did they not have it, they hadn't
even heard of it.  So much for Atlantis.  (Unfortunately my other
option, Comics and Comix in Berekeley, is not much better CEREBUS-wise.)

So, call Aardvark-Vanaheim today.  (And sorry, no, I don't have the
number handy.)  Tell them Doug sent you.  They won't have a clue as to
who your talking about.
-- 
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From: jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau)
Subject: Re: Comics as Wall Art (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)
Organization: UBC Pulmonary Research Lab., St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.214627.17993@midway.uchicago.edu> esti@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <BtIwBw.G9q@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dbasinge@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger) writes:
>
>>>Dealer: "OK, that's 33; take two more comics and I'll call it an even
>>>         $100"
>
>>Maybe he is going to wallpaper his apartment. Nah... he is a fanboy,
>>He will cherish all 33 copies, plus the other 50 he has at home.
>
>Actually, a wall covered with multiple copies of the same issue would
>give an interesting Andy Warhol style ambiance to a room, don't you
>think? :)
>
>More seriously, I've been known to hang up on the wall various *nice*
>cover art issues (all bagged-- can't figure out any other way to hang
>it-- with one of them an early Question issue signed in silver ink by
>Denys Cowan, so it looks like real art :).  So, a couple of
>questions...
>
>1. Does anyone else use comics as wall art?  Which issues?
>
>2. Does this damage the comics at all seriously (curling, fading...)?
>
>Actually, make that three (weapons of the Spanish Inquisition)...
>
>3. I've never bought an original art page to hang; has anyone out
>there done so?  What did you get?  How's it look?
>
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Hanging comics on walls I do a lot in my Den.  When friends come over they
love to look at the covers.  Especially stuff like Quantum Leap, Special
covers Old Covers etc.  I used to use Mylars and punch holes in them and
then hang them on finishing nails in the wall.  Now I bought these comic
wall hangers that are about $1.00 each and don't ruin your entire wall, just
the top.

Original art is great!

If you are going to hang it you should get it framed. 

I have Many Mcfarlane Year Two Batman pages and a cover as well.
Air Brused Ghost Busters cover (colour) & Airbrushed Ironman page
as well.  Many other pages scattered in my collection as well.
BWS cnanan pages are nice, Chaykin pages, Byrne pages, Miller page.

They are not all hanging.  Not enough wall space.

Make sure what ever you hang never gets hit by direct sun light and
that you change items atleast once per year to give the item a break
from light.  All light damages covers and original art unless you can
aford to get it UV protected and framed (Big bucks).
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Speculation and the market (was: Valiant sucks)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:49:20 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:

>> because Diamond often fails to ship books to stores that ordered  less
>> than 5 copies at a time. 
>
> This is not true.  Diamond (I know) and I assume all other dist.  will
> ship out 1 of any given title 

They claim to, but in practice I typically miss at least half of the books
I order when I'm the only person in the store who's ordering the book.
This is true of both Diamond and Capital City-based shops. 

I'm about *this far* from giving up trying to read comics at all anymore --
what the hell good is it when you only get every other issue of a title,
even if you pre-order the damned things?  Of course, the crap I have no
interest in just flows through the doors like water . . .

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"what kind of dream was this, so easy to destroy?"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS)
Subject: Superman to Die?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Sep 1992 09:18 EST  

I have been away from the comic scene for quite some time now (ok 10 years)


Today I read in my local paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) that Superman will 
die in November.  What's the story?  

Any info will be great.  

Bruce Manners

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau)
Subject: Re: Speculation and the market (was: Valiant sucks)
Organization: UBC Pulmonary Research Lab., St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.084617.4558@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.192508.15700@unixg.ubc.ca> jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>>> because Diamond often fails to ship books to stores that ordered 
>>>less than 5 copies at a time.
>>
>>This is not true.  Diamond (I know) and I assume all other dist.  will
>>ship out 1 of any given title
>
>You're just full of misinformation today, aren't you?
>
>According to the contract agreements of both Diamond and Capital City, they
>can refuse any item order of less than three copies (Capital limits this
>restriction to books under $5.00 -- I can't remember Diamond's exact wording
>as we dropped them as our distributor due to uniformly poor service).
>
>-------
>Scowling Jim Cowling
>Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
>Just got my student loan.  Never been happier, thanks.
>-------


Actually you are misinformed.  As I said earlier I deal with a store that
uses Diamond.  If they do have a minimum quntity it is not in effect here
because I regularly get bugged for being the only one to order a book from
the store.  I have only missed two books which they said was there fault. 
Redaing all of the cancellations & resolicitations in the Previews mag
is boring but at least I know where some of my titles are.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.015120.5025@cs.rochester.edu> steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:
>They may have some other purpose, but that purpose should never supplant 
>the entertainment value.  (note:  I'm using a pretty broad definition
>of "entertain").  After all, if a book/movie/comic is just designed for
>social commentary, why put it in fictive form at all?  A nonfiction
>tract will get the point across much better.  Especially since if the book/
>movie/comic is boring, we'll lose interest in the authour's message anyway.

You're totally wrong, Gavin.  Works of fiction can be tremendously more
effective at getting a point across than can works of nonfiction.  
History is replete with examples: you can start with Aristophenese 
(sp? -- I mean that Greek guy that wrote "The Frogs", etc.)
and work your way up from there.  Also, what makes you think that
a fiction work that has a "point" is necessarily "boring"?  

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Tundra and Heavy Metal
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:12:38 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

I've heard that Tundra has picked up the American rights to the
Heavy Metal magazine.  Anyone know when they'll start?

(If you didn't know, Tundra is a company run by Ninja Turtle
 creators Eastman and Laird to publish stuff they think is
 worth publishing, profit margin be damned.  While I'm on the
 subject, anyone know how much they've made off of Turtle licensing?)

-- 
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Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu |  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quotes from reviews
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:42:34 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

khandley@amhux1.amherst.edu (Keith Handley) writes:

>Jed Bowtell (jed@matilda.vut.edu.au) wrote:
>: I am doing an essay on comics and would like it if somebody 
>: could supply me with some quotes from `respected' sources
>: such as the Washington Post. Preferably in relation to a
>: specific comic but anything will do really.
>: 
>: Jed

>Go to the reference department of your library.  Someone there
>will help you.

No they wont because I live in Australia. Comics are not reviewed
in Australian newspapers and libraries do not get American 
newspapers.

Jed
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From: cpl1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Corey Liss)
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Reply-To: cpl1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Lunatic Fringe
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:21:40 GMT

glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha) writes:
>Wouldn't it be fun to see a Delerium mini-series being announced as three
>issues, being numbered as though there were going to be ten or so, and then
>five issues would be released? The issues would come out in no particular
>order, of course. (To take the idea to a barely logical extreme, I suppose
>the pages and panels on the pages could also be orderless, as well...)

i dunno, sounds too much like morrison's KID ETERNITY series to me...

-corey
cpl1@midway.uchicago.edu
DISCLAIMER: "Anyone who takes this seriously, deserves to." -- Donna Barr

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB (was Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:36:09 GMT

Wait a minute, I've got the following Cerebus phonebooks:

	Cerebus
	High Society
	Church and State I
	Church and State II
	Melmoth
	Jaka's Story

right now.  (A lot of money, but worth every penny, and cheaper than
buying the back issues, and you don't have to worry about damage).

Theory:  Dave recognized my name, and just for me hand-assembled the
last two of these and sent them off!

-- 
Missing - and presumed married.
From: rknowles@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Rick Knowles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Excalibur #54
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:34:40 GMT
Reply-To: dnewell@patty.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

Hi,
I just started reading Excalibur the last 10 issues or so and I think it's
about the best written mag around.  However, maybe some of you long time
readers can help me out.
  - Who is Vixen and Jaime?
  - What is Saturnyne's relationship to Capt Britain?
Thanx a lot
Rick
Keeper of the Simpsons
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From: sat@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Scott Tacktill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: The New DC Implosion
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:56:10 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

As a regular reader and first-time poster to this group, I wish to add
my voice to those bemoaning the news of DC's caprecious axing of some
promising new titles.  
     In particular, I'm upset at the cancelling of JSA.  I take this to
be additional evidence of DC's disregard for its heritage.  While I
fully admit that the mid-'80s revitalizations of Superman and others were
both necessary and successful, there was no need for DC to obliterate
decades of comics history at once.  Yes, I'm referring to the dreaded
Crisis.  This is certainly not a new topic for the group, but in the
light of the twisted retcons that appear so regularly, it becomes
increasingly ironic that the Crisis was perpretrated in the name of
"simplicity."
     Once again, DC is giving the JSA, the first comic super-team, the
shaft.  For years, they've been bounced around, guest-shot to
guest-shot.  In the '70s, they finally got All-Star Comics back, only to
be crushed by the first "Implosion."  In the '80s, Roy Thomas, a writer
with a true love for and knowledge of the characters, breathed new life
into them.  He and the readers were rewarded by the most massive comic
retcon in history, the complete destruction of the JSA's home universe.
Was the concept of Earth-2, et al, really more confusing than what was
done (and is still being done on a daily basis) to fix this "problem"?
     Now the new JSA title is being cancelled.  If sales were awful, I
could understand it; comic publishing is more business than art.  It
should, however, have *some* artistic consideration.  Group rumor seems
to be that DC is killing this title in an effort to achieve that
Marvel-Magic which makes their X-titles such a joy to read these
days.:-)  Maybe it's not too late:  DC could give Alan Scott and Jay
Garrick big shoulders and tiny heads and have them fight an endless
battle against those who would seek to impose a coherent storyline upon
them.  They could also wear button-fly jeans. 
    Anyway, it looks like we can look forward to more years of searching
for JSA members in the odd back-up story.  The characters who should be
the revered elders of the DC Universe, are once again being treated like
the unwanted step-children.  If this were a Disney movie, we know that
they'd come out ok in the end; at DC there chances don't seem so good.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics:22377 rec.arts.comics.misc:1607
From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: A REAL Sandman question
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:35:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug24.002358.20210@colorado.edu> rakowski@hazelrah.cs.colorado.edu (Dave) writes:
>Now HERE is a REAL Sandman question:
>Why do all the Endless have names that start with a 'D'?
>(Destiny, Desire, Death, Dream, Destruction, Despair)
Might it have somthing to do with all the "LL" characters
in Superman during the Weisenger era?



-- 
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:violent episodes, is the question of all existentialist men:
:demanding meaning from a void, "Hmmm, a wise guy, huh?" The:
:only response - from the void that is Curly - is the tragic:
:"Nyuck! Nyuck! Nyuck!"---trend book quoted in _Spy_ 3/91   :
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:40:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Aug30.004057.4931
Distribution: na
Organization: The Ohio State University

I've made other posts to this effect before (such as the Beast quote), but 
here's another.  In Indignity Wars #5, Magus comments on why he brought all the
superheroes in: to muddle things up and cause confusion.  The way in which it 
was said (sorry, can't quote, my copy's at home) lead me to believe that this 
reflected Starlin's opinion of Mega-crossovers as well...all they do is muddle 
and confuse, and keep anyone from seeing the real story.
     If anyone else notices Marvel (or DC) writers subtly slamming the Company 
Line (i.e. maximum profits and damn the story), post it.
     Dave Van Domelen, started reading all of Cerebus today.  Yes, I have no 
real plans for the rest of September.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:42:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep2.001424.20588@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>The face of Doom has been speculated on for many years. One of them is
>that Doom isn't really hideous scarred, but is just increadiably vain.
>The explosion that maimed him actually only put a small scar on him, but
>because he was so vain about his looks he decided he was scarred
>forever.

When John Byrne did FF, he retold Doom's origin.  In the new version,
the only effect of Vic's attempt to rescue his mother's soul was that
he had a small scar on one side of his face (don't remember which).
However, he was so vain, he thought he was so hideously scarred that he
didn't mind getting a red-hot mask placed directly on his face, thus
completely ruining his face.  His face is destroyed, but it wasn't a
result of the experiment.
From: ian@centric.com (Ian Macky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Comix?
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:39:57 GMT
Organization: Centric Engineering Systems
Originator: ian@falcon

Is there an equivalent group to rec.arts.comics for underground stuff, i.e.
rec.arts.comix?

Any S. Clay Wilson fans out there?  Vivid, gross & confusing, yes yes & yes.

--ian
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Valentino and Image
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:00:05 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone know why Valentino isn't on GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
any more?  He said he needed the royalties too bad to quit.  Did
Marvel fire him?

  Thanks!
                                           Drizzt
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Cerebus #300 (was Re: CRISIS IN INFINITE (well, several) NEWSGROUPS)
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:14:33 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


	Well, I have to admit, Sim managed to pull it off.  Not
perfect, certainly, but he managed to tie everything together nicely,
and Cerebus' death wasn't at all the way I expected it to be after the
Ascension-- while still making everything said there literally true.
The one thing that would have improved it would have been if Gerhard
had still been there to do the backgrounds, but Sim could hardly
control that, after all.

	One thing, though-- does anyone know what Cerebus meant by his
last line.  (Leave it to Dave to put in a mysterious utterance in the
very last issue.  Bastard.)  Or does it refer to something that I'm
blanking on?  (Open the pic-box on the lower left to see the scene I'm
talking about.)

	In any case, I'm looking forward to whatever Dave does after
he finishes his sabbatical.  Any idea what sorts of ideas he's working
with?

	BTW, did anyone get the last phone book in disk format?  I'm
thinking about pre-ordering this book in that form, as it would take
up a lot less shelf space.  Is there much loss of fidelity from the
comic itself?

Mike
From: lazarus@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Date: 26 Aug 1992 23:46:16 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Aug25.174619.26380@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>All of his past love-disasters have been female, but I doubt there is any hard 
>and fast rule that Dream couldn't be bi... who's to say really except Gaiman 
>himself.

Who's to say that Dream has to be MALE all the time?

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From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Christian Superheroes
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:49:08 GMT
Organization: UB


Here are a couple of Christian superheroes that haven't been mentioned
yet:

Jaguar:

	She is a christian exchange student from Brazil.  There was a few
moments when she compared American to Brazilian catholizism.   And the
"confession" issue with the Black Hood is a must have.


Captain Manhatten:

	from D.P.7.  Most notable was the Quasar issue where he prayed
before intercepting a large falling object ( which turned out to be 
Quasar ).


							Jim

-- 
Comics are like current physics...we haven't had a major shakeup in decades, 
so even the most brilliant participant today is nowhere near as famous as 
the guys who were doing it when all new stuff was being discovered. 
     					--- Dave Van Domelen
From: w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: New Doom Patrol?
Date: 4 SEP 92 12:33:27 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu


Any news yet on who's going to replace Grant Morrison
on Doom Patrol??

Jim

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