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From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Keywords: sex furry sex 
Organization: Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:07:46 GMT


>In article <2070@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
>->
>->Ah, here is the crux of the matter.  This statement bothers me.  I suppose
>->that means we should avoid talking about politics, cars, friends, or
>->anything else not strictly "furry" when we are in "furry" space as well, eh?
>->Somehow, that image is not an appealing one, and it seems to give lie to
>->your assertions of tolerance.  Fact is, furry gatherings are just like any
>->other social group.  People will discuss what concerns them, and you are
>->free to join in or ignore them as you will.  There is no way to prevent
>->this, and no conceivable reason to do so.  The folks who are concerned with
>->gay issues will discuss them, the folks who like guns will discuss them, etc.
>->If you don't like the discussion, find someone else to talk to!

When Richard Chandler and I got into a discussion regarding guns & furries
(sounds like a Heavy Metal band, dunnit?) in this newsgroup, we were told,
in no uncertain terms, to take the discussion elsewhere.  It seems that
the furries aren't quite as tolerant as you make them out to be.

In <1992Apr7.072818.11351@muddcs.claremont.edu> dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu
 (David 'Mishael' Green) writes:

>...What I saw was, "Hey, can't we recognize furriness and sexuality as
>two entirely different issues," and "Erotica isn't the only reason for 
>furries being furries."  Both of which seem quite valid points to me...

Erotica probably is the main reason for most furries being furries.
Fred Patten, in _Rowr-Brazzle_ #32, suggested that some people
(not necessarily himself) might view furry fandom as, "infantile
funny animals crossed with adolescent exaggerated eroticism."  As well
as being wonderfully alliterative, it is a fairly accurate description 
of furry fandom as it exists today.

I don't have a problem with furry erotic art, per se.  But most
of it, apart from being badly-drawn, just isn't very erotic; 
it's usually sexist, _Hustler_-level pseudo-porn, only more juvenile.
I like well-produced furry material, but most "furry" creators
tend to cast a bad light on other non-furry artists and cartoonists
who like to use animals (funny or otherwise) in their works.

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From: estpraq@warwick.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furries and sexuality (again)
Keywords: sex furry sex gay sex
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:55:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

Posting for a friend ...
.

 
John@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.072818.11351@muddcs.claremont.edu> dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David 'Mishael' Green) writes:
>}->In article <69702@ut-emx.uucp> hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:
>}->}But these
>}->}people should realize that they, too, have a responsibility to keep
>}->}their activities confined to "furry" subjects when they associate
>}->}themselves with furrydom.
>
>That sounds to me like he is asking that _no one_, anywhere, at any time
>during a "furry" event, do anything which is not directly furry.  That
>strikes me as being far too restrictive.  Please address that issue.
 
Sounds to me like he's saying that since furrydom and sexuality (and
 opinions on guns, lawnmowers, broccoli, English Breakfast Muffins ... )
 are not the same thing, individuals should indicate, when advocating
 some stance or other, that they don't speak for furries as a whole,
 if it's likely that someone could think that they are, particularly
 if they're saying something about 'furries and whatever'.
 
Clearly when the FurryMUCK Broccoli Discussion Group meet, they talk about
 broccoli, and may even venture group opinions, none of which is remotely
 furry (unless anthro vegetables are furry). The fur is incidental to the
 broccoli.
 
 * But they must make it clear that they don't speak for the whole of
 * furrydom, or Bush might close it down.
 
 (And ConFURence would have to come to the UK, Yaaay! :3 )
 
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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: SEEKING SUBMISSIONS
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:37:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.093721.17280
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


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Howdy!  We are currently seeking submissions for four different
publications.
 
Furrlough #4 - edited by Shon Howell and Brian Sutton, published by
  Antarctic Press.  It's a military/adventure comic, published
  quarterly, that has (so far) featured Chris Grant, Ted Sheppard,
  Riley, Joe Rosales, Brian Sutton, and others.  Pay is upon
  publication - 20% of gross profits divided among the contributors.
 
A new, as-yet-unnamed anthology - edited by Shon Howell and Brian
  Sutton, to be published by Antarctic Press.  A 'sister' comic to
  Furrlough, tentatively set to be sci-fi/fantasy (although slice-of-
  life is possible.  More likely it will be 'anything' - like Critters
  was).
 
Furplay #1 - edited by Shon and Brian, published by Michael Hirtes.
  (The earlier Furplay #1, which appeared at ConFurence, has been
  renamed Furplay #0 - the prototype issue).  It's a sexual-oriented
  digest-sized fanzine, aimed at a solid-to-hard R-rated audience.
  Different pay rates have been discussed (but it looks like it'll be
  five to 10 dollars/page).
 
Things That Make You Go Purrr #1 - edited by Shon and Brian, published
  by Michael Hirtes.  A digest-sized, theme-oriented fanzine.  Content
  is 'anything goes', meaning anything from G to XXX (we suspect it'll
  probably end up being XXX most of the time).  Each issue will have
  a different theme, based upon what's submitted.  Contributors will
  be paid as above.
 
So - any of these interest you?  Want to get your artwork or stories
  published - and get PAID for it at the same time?  If so, please write
  to:
 
SUBMISSIONS
c/o Brian Sutton
1200 Patricia #1208
San Antonio, TX  78213
 
or phone:  (512) 340-2345
 
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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: RE: Furry Famdom--present and future
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:29:21 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <8APR92.01301757@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
> 	Again, in 8 years each region may have their own dedicated fur fan 
> convention.  Although I doubt it will happen--I would like to see one "mail" 
> furry convention chage location annually, like Worldcon.

Heh.  =)

> 
> 	Speaking of Iowa, would you by chance know about the guy in Soldier who 
> does a comic called "Fanboy"?  I've been meaning to order another couple issues 
> of it but lost his address.

Sorry -- Somebody else asked me but I didn't have the info.  As far as I know,
the only other furries I know of in Iowa are Marc Lynx and "Duck" (who draws
'toons for the ISU paper and the UNI Sentinel, along with myself).
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From: mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Furry Famdom--present and future
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:43:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: intercon.9204081643.AA23863

Noel sez:
> 	Well, at least around 1988 Minneapolis had a small population of 
> furries (I can think of Reed Waller/Kate Worley and Timothy Fay offhand).

Ken Fletcher also comes to mind, he used to run Vootie, the predecessor to 
RowrBrazzle.

> 	Actually, I noticed that the areas have at least one major conn they 
> "piggyback" furry activities onto.  These would be things like Philcon, 
> Fantasy Fair, Baycon, and such.  For a long time fur fans would meet at one 
> big con--San Deigo, in much the same way Small Press people meet at the 
> Chicago Comicon.
> 	Again, in 8 years each region may have their own dedicated fur fan 
> convention.  Although I doubt it will happen--I would like to see one 
> "mail" furry convention chage location annually, like Worldcon.

Eventually, maybe, but for the time being, plans for a "ConFurence East" have 
been pretty much dropped.

 --
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to
harass rich women than biker gangs.
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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:37:11 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Just out of curiosity and a typically (for me) inane attempt to start some sort
of discussion thread other than Bruce's Pathetic Petition, Furries and
Sexuality and Denial of Humanity (Ack.  My last posting *still* had nothing to
do with furries...), I was wondering if someone might be up enough on comics
history to enlighten me on the following topic:

What about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?  I recall a *looooong* time ago being
amused when I first saw a copy of TMNT in black and white ... Is there a time
when TMNT used to be considered part of the small press furrydom?  Is TMNT (the
non-kiddie-Saturday-morning version) still being printed?  (If so, *my* comic
shop's not carrying it!  =)  )  Anyway, if there happen to be any TMNT experts
out there who happen to have the historical background of the terrapin terrors
handy, I'd certainly be interested in listening...

(After all, in order to get *some* degree of self respect as a
pseudo-furry-fan, I have to get *some* familiarity with the major titles of
furrydom...)
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From: jdb8042@tamuts.tamu.edu (John Donald Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: my reply to Thomas Pluck
Summary: waste bandwith, sorry.  andromeda is bouncing
Keywords: Service unavailable, cannot append.
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:25:38 GMT
Followup-To: buster!blkbox!jdb8042@uunet.uu.net
Organization: ~/lib/organization

I'm sorry to waste bandwith like this, but this mail was bounced by the
destination postmaster.

To:  Thomas Pluck <pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu>

My attempts to reply to your mail to me were bounced by Postmaster@andromeda.
I've included the most recent bounce message so you can make some sense of the
trouble as it appears to be on your end.

Again, my appologies to the net.furry.community and the 'net in general.

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From: jdb8042@tamuts.tamu.edu (John Donald Baker)
To: pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: Journal Entry request.

Will do when next that becomes necessary.

Drabek snugs Roxiana. :-)

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From: MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!")
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Furry Survey:  The prizes!
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:50:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: vm1.920409.185025.CDT.MHIGH
Organization: And one for Jenny and the Wimp.

Remember I said there would be prizes to the respondents to the survey?
Below are the winners - I will be getting in touch with ya'll about the
specifics via private email.

Grand Prize:    arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)

Second Prize:   foxen@netcom.com (Foxen)

Third Prize:    raboczi@s1.elec.uq.oz.au (Simon Raboczi)
                fields@alcor.usc.edu (Canis)

Fourth Prize:   James Ronald Simonds <nicholas@wam.umd.edu>
                "Jimmy Chin" <jc@otter.cis.ufl.edu>
                """ <noel@umbc2.umbc.edu>

Fifth Prize:    dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk (Daniel Mitchell)
                gt7664a@prism.gatech.edu
                lynx@netcom.com (Conrad Wong)
                lorbit!phoenix@uunet.UU.NET (R'ykandar Korra'ti)
                LUOMA@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU

Prizes are a selection of comics, mailed for free.  Grand prize gets five
  comics (yes, you get a choice - wait for the list), second place gets
  four, third gets three, and so on.  All names were chosen randomly.

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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: CF3 Fundie rumor
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:05:24 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <703427733.F00002@mcws.fidonet.org>, Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Kay Shapero) writes:
> On <Apr 10 20:25>, John Alan Stanley wrote to All:
> 
>  JA>Not to me, and I was one of the people running it.  What exactly 
>  JA>are you
>  JA>referring to here?  I'd sure like to know if we were shut down by 
>  JA>the
>  JA>fundagelicals; they didn't tell _me_ about it... <pout>  :-)
> 
>            A LITTLE DISSERTATION ON SPONTANEOUS GENERATION

What are you?  Official furry anthropologist or something?  =)  (or would that
be anthropomorphologist?)

> First you come home from the con and then are overheard to comment 
> that you thought it was so fun you'd bet the Fundies sure would hate 
> it
>      Oh.. oh... rumor....

Anyway, quite interesting theory there.  I would have figured that if the
"Fundies" had raised a ruckuss at the convention I would have *certainly* heard
about it from my friends who went to the Con.  (One of them is a "Fundie" (I
think -- not quite sure of the definition) and the
other is particularly sensitive to any attempts to protest/picket something,
and would *certainly* fill me in on such...)

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                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
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Subject: How to get the MORTIMER Story
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:00:06 GMT
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From: jc@dolphin.cis.ufl.edu (Jimmy Chin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: We *are* taking ourselves too seriously
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:15:11 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I was on a roll at ConFURence 3. I musta done two dozen books. I guess I'll
be charging for inked sketches from here on out--pencil sketches will most
likely stay free. I'm just thinking my time is worth more than nothing, 
especially considering I took a bus across the country.

I like to do sketches for people, but I don't wanna get taken advantage of.

Oh, by the way, I'm leaving the net next month. I have an animation job
this summer!
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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Denial of Humanity
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:26:33 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr6.012750.13556@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
> In article <1992Apr03.095448.11692@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us> rstevew@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
> 
> 	Context deleted
> 

[more context deleted]

> 	Why should we expect ETs to behave any more appropriately
> than did Ross or Parry, or for that matter Franklin, whose expedition
> might have died because of the technology they used, rather than in
> spite of it (Lead poisoning from canned food)? Appalling stupidity
> wrt the northern climate and refusal to admit the locals might know
> the territory well enough to be worth listening to killed a *lot*
> of explorers in the 1800s.

Heh.  Remember War of the Worlds?  =)


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From: f3w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Gellis)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Denial of Humanity
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:48:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.furry
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


I've done some thinking on this subject myself.  (There is also an 
excellent volume called INTERSTELLAR MIGRATION AND THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE 
which covers the SETI/Fermi paradox issue, among others.)  Astronomer
Michael Hart has proposed that there are no aliens, that we are the
first technological intelligence in the galaxy.  His argument has some
good points.

If intelligent life has existed in the galaxy for more than ten or twenty
million years, he argues, then an "aggressive" civilization--i.e., one with
enough interest in exploration and colonization that at least a small part
of its population would travel to nearby star systems, and after a few
generations those colonies would launch their own starships, and so on--
would have colonized the entire galaxy.  

Now, we evolved.  Earth was not colonized nor was it dismanted for the
raw materials it represented.  If the aliens are out there, why did this
happen?

Could the aliens have missed us?  Unlikely, if they made it to this part
of the galaxy.  Sol is larger and brighter than 95% of the stars in the
galaxy; it might not last as long as some stars, but five billion years 
is a long time even if you are immortal, and Sol represents a fortune in
solar kilowatts compared to your average M-type star.

The only solution that makes any sense to me is that the aliens have 
interdicted us.  Why would they do this?  Altruism and advanced ethics
might be part of it, but there is a more practical reason, too.  The one
thing that aliens can get from Sol system, and from Earth, that they cannot
get from any other solar system is information.  Genetic information--
millions of species--and, once humans evolved, cultural information.  So,
once they discovered an Earth-like planet, the aliens who controlled this
region of the galaxy would interdict Earth, except for carefully controlled
scientific expeditions (although the reports of alien abductions may be
the result of "poachers.")  The "zoo" hypothesis has some problems--it
assumes a very static culture on the part of the aliens--but I think the
profit motive of protecting Earth as an "information resource" might solve
this problem.

Personally, I am beginning to think Hart is right, though.  We should 
still support SETI research, though, just to be sure.  :)

a
 
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