HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: [l/m 6/1/92] A short note on posting, cross-posting
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:01:14 GMT
Summary: Stop, Think, Observe, Plan
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

Panel 14

	Table of Contents of this Chain

14	Posting headers and cross-posting			<This panel>
15	Distribution Fields
21	Killfiles (with extreme prejudice)
28	Canceling posted news articles
1	Reminders on use of the *.general news.groups
7	General Help Reading News

This is a quick lesson on posting (to any group).  Unfortunately,
inconsistencies of news and notes systems will limit some of this information.
See news.announce.newusers and consult (by mail) a news/system guru if you
need help, even if that guru is on another system.

This is a news message header and some hints to remember:

Newsgroups: <- if you cross post or use "general" use the Followup-To: line
Subject: <- EDIT this field if you refine your subject
Summary: 
Expires: <- for dated postings
Reply-To: 
Followup-To: <- consider using this field to limit cross posting or "poster"
Distribution: <- consider limiting posting to ba, ca, usa, na, and so forth
Organization: 
Keywords: 

News is potentially a beautiful communication tool.  Unfortunately, it is
too easily abused.  Cross-posting isn't bad, but just like forgetting to
edit a Subject line, you can have unintended effects.  If you are not
absolutely clear on what each field does, ask for help FIRST.  CONSIDER
all newsgroups you are posting and make certain you use a minimum number.
Use the followup line and consider the offer of posting summaries (makes you
the center of attention.  Place the most relevant newsgroup first!
If you want a discussion to appear in multiple groups like:

Newsgroups: ba.xxx,ca.yyy,na.zzz,ba.general
#where xxx, yyy, and zzz are groups, then use a Followup line like:
Followup-To: ba.xxx
#LEAVING general out.  ba.xxx should be the most relevant group.

like:

Newsgroups: comp.graphics,ba.seminars
Followup-To: comp.graphics

Consider that if you have a topic of non-immediate interest that you post
with using a limited domain/distribution like:

Newsgroups: rec.audio,ba.wanted
Distribution: ba
Followup-To: rec.audio
#Keeping out of general, getting the audio philes and those seeking.

Remember: KEEP ADS in the market groups, and save general for important
announcements.

Oh?  You didn't know about rec, misc, talk, alt, news, sci, comp?  Well!

Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: wallich@NCD.COM (Kenneth Wallich)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:17:51 GMT
Distribution: ca
iPath: lupine!wallich

casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:


>I know several people who have left California recently, and I'm hearing
>more talk about it.  Do you have a general sense of incoming/outgoing?
>Have you thought about leaving yourself?

I think about it every day I drive into the smog from the Santa Cruz
mountains.  I've been working on it for about 2 years now (building up
enough capital, and looking to expand my skill base beyond high-tech).
I bought some property in Fiji to either eventually put up a business
on, or sell for a ridiculously high price when the Japanese take over,
and am looking to buy some rural property in the States as early as
next year (as all the farms and small businesses go broke, picking
things up for fairly little cash gets easier).  I don't actually know
a lot of folks who are planning on leaving though, besides me.  They
talk about it, but they don't do anything to prepare for it.

Of course the problem is I actually own a house out here, and can't
sell it and move without loosing a lot of money.  So much money, in
fact, that I would have nothing left to start a business, or to live
on while I tried.  Capital gains is a wonderful thing.  Employment
isn't all that rosey anywhere, but the pay is relatively good for
high-tech sillycon valley work.  I'd like to get out of high-tech when
I leave, at least for a while, so I'm spending my time investigating
other ways to pay the bills, without having to work full time to do
it.

I'll probably just milk the cow until it goes dry (the drought and
budget irony are intentional), and then move on.  I doubt I'll be here
in 5 years though.  The smog and traffic have gotten too depressing to
live with in the long run.



-- 
Ken Wallich
wallich@ncd.com  
ken@wallich.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix)
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Organization: Wild Bill & BabyCat's House of Many Pleasures
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:30:25 GMT


bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle) writes:
>ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix) writes:
>
>   (Stuff about how non-native Californians have no right to
>   voice any complaint whatsoever deleted)
>
>So let's get this straight--if you were born here, you can complain,
>right?  The guy whose message you responded to said he was born here,
>so where did the gratuitous stuff about all the evil outsiders come from?
 
     Everyone has the right to complain,  but...when people that move
here from elsewhere start bitching and moaning about the state, then 
I get upset.  Sure, our housing cost's more...but our salaries are 
also higher than elsewhere.  Sure there is WAY TO DAMN MUCH traffic...
but, what did you expect when everyone from other states moves here to
earn some of those higher salaries????? Sure there is crime...but,
there is crime EVERYWHERE.  The WHOLE point is...If you don't like
your situation....change it.


>I meant to say in my earlier message -- great .sig, though.

Thank you...I almost peed my pants when he said it on his show.:+)



Ellon

--
"Excuse me,George Herbert,irregular-heart-beating,read-my-lying-lipping
slipping-in-the-polls,do-nothing,deficit-raising,make-less-money than 
Millie-the-White-House-dog-last-year,Quayle-loving,sushi-puking Bush!
I don't remember inviting your ass to my show!"  Arsenio Hall.
From: scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:17:42 GMT
Reply-To: scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <Bt5oIG.Gxo@well.sf.ca.us> casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>
>I know several people who have left California recently, and I'm hearing
>more talk about it.  Do you have a general sense of incoming/outgoing?
>Have you thought about leaving yourself?

I remember about 10 years ago when we had bumper stickers that said
"Welcome to California, Now go home"  and 
"Thanks for visiting California, Take a friend when you leave".

Maybe people are getting the picture ...   :-)

Even though it might be bad for the economy, I think in the end
California is better off with less people. We have been saturated
for a long time. If enough people leave California might become a 
nice place to live again. I even left for awhile, but being a native
I missed home and decided to return. I found it much easier to get a 
job here then in Washington. 

-- 
Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:20:11 GMT

rudomet@eltamin.usc.edu (Steve Rudometkin) writes:
>They are thinking of the PNW or the Denver area (avid skiiers).  They are 
>going to Denver for Labor Day weekend to scout the area north/west? of the 
>city (Boulder, Colo Springs).  If they don't like it, they will take another 
>long weekend to go up to the Seattle area.

Just make sure they don't tell anyone in Seattle that they're from
California if they want a good reception.  They might consider saying
they're from Arizona, or are fleeing KGB torturers.
-- 
Put your hand on the TV screen and repeat after me: `I do hereby promise only
to watch the Ren & Stimpy Show... to make underleg noises during the good
scenes... to wear unwashed lederhosen every single day of the rest of my life!'
From: rudomet@eltamin.usc.edu (Steve Rudometkin)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 21 Aug 1992 10:36:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: eltamin.usc.edu

In article <Bt5oIG.Gxo@well.sf.ca.us> casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>
>I know several people who have left California recently, and I'm hearing
>more talk about it.  Do you have a general sense of incoming/outgoing?
>Have you thought about leaving yourself?

Two of my friends are DEFINITELY leaving the state.  Both are mid 20's, 
college educated, high wage earners (which CA can't afford to lose) who
spent most of their lives here ~15 years each.  Both are sick and tired
of the crowds, traffic, smog, crime, unaffordable housing, taxes, gangs, 
racial tension, etc.

They are thinking of the PNW or the Denver area (avid skiiers).  They are 
going to Denver for Labor Day weekend to scout the area north/west? of the 
city (Boulder, Colo Springs).  If they don't like it, they will take another 
long weekend to go up to the Seattle area.

I spent a month in Europe this spring, and when I came back I almost packed my
bags immediately to leave to ANYWHERE else.  It took about a week to get used
to the above mentioned horrors of LA and learn to ignore it.

By the way, I am a lifelong resident of SoCal.  19 Years in LA, 4 years in SD,
2 Years in LA (so far).

-Steve

-- 
Steve Rudometkin                       o          ,__o        o   /\/\
University Computing Services         <\        _-\_<,     []<\  /~~\ \/\
University of Southern California  ___/__,     (*)/'(*)      /> /    \ \ \
Los Angeles CA 90089-0251        (213)740-2870  rudomet@skat.usc.edu
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:08:11 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>I know several people who have left California recently, and I'm hearing
>more talk about it.  Do you have a general sense of incoming/outgoing?
>Have you thought about leaving yourself?

If it wasn't for this company I'd be gone, gone, gone.  Except for the
weather and the Comic Con, California sucks big time.
-- 
If God has wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.
From: slinke@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Steven Linke)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:16:23 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <l9aadiINN3gq@eltamin.usc.edu> rudomet@eltamin.usc.edu (Steve Rudometkin) writes:
>
>Two of my friends are DEFINITELY leaving the state.  Both are mid 20's, 
>college educated, high wage earners (which CA can't afford to lose) who
>spent most of their lives here ~15 years each.  Both are sick and tired
>of the crowds, traffic, smog, crime, unaffordable housing, taxes, gangs, 
>racial tension, etc.

I have the perfect place for them and everybody else who wants to
leave California for the above reasons.  My former place of
residence--FARGO, NORTH DAKOTA.  (Metropolitan pop. 125,000)

I'm in my low twenties and college educated (at the expense of North
Dakota taxpayers).  Since I moved to San Diego, North Dakota lost
out on their investment in me.  They would be grateful to receive
someone in exchange.

  Crowds?  Only six days a year at the college football home games. 
  Traffic?  They just put a third lane on one of the highways, but
            nobody uses it.  You could probably have it all to yourself.
  Smog?  None.  Among the cleanest air in the country.
  Crime?  Average of about one murder per year.
  Housing?  Very cheap relative to California--you can buy a
            veritable mansion for the price of a small California house.
  Taxes?  Ranks about 40th in the nation.
  Gangs?  None that I ever saw or heard about, although a recent
          study done at North Dakota State University said Fargo is
          not immune to gangs since it is getting so big (probably has
          something to do with that third lane on the highway).
  Racial Tension?  Almost non-existant since there really isn't much
                   racial diversity.
  etc.?  There isn't any of that either, as far as I know.

The population of the entire state of North Dakota is only about
650,000, and is declining every year.  THEY WANT YOU!!!  Intelligent
Californians would be very welcome, I'm sure.

I love San Diego.  I apologize for moving here from out-of-state,
but believe it or not there ARE worse places than California.

-- 
Steve Linke
Salk Institute (Gene Expression Lab)
La Jolla, CA
From: rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:10:01 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix) writes:
>
>   As a native Californian, all I can say to these people is...
>[..  ..]
>   And I am getting tired of these people who come here from somewhere
>   else and put this state down.  If you don't like it then go back to
>   where ever you came from.

What about all the native Californians?  Where are they supposed to go?
Arizona? New Mexico? Texas? Washington? Oregon?

I knew California was in trouble when the designer of the Hobie Cat 
moved to Oregon.


Rex Tener                                                 rtener@pyramid.com
Pyramid Technology                                            A.M.A. #580669 
"Radical is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air." - F.D.R. (1944)
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:37:59 GMT


Ellon, I started this thread because I wanted to hear what people had to
say about it.  It isn't about you, it wasn't started for you, and no one
forced you to participate.  If it offends you, you're welcome to put the
subject header in your kill file.
From: rick@rgb.com (Rick Davis)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:37:07 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: RGB Spectrum

casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:


>I know several people who have left California recently, and I'm hearing
>more talk about it.  Do you have a general sense of incoming/outgoing?
>Have you thought about leaving yourself?

I am seriously considering leaving California.  It's not well set up for
the crowds that throng it's shores.  I have lived here since I was quite
young, and think of it as home.  Still, I have watched as 15 years of
mismanagement, basically following the passage of Prop 13, have eroded
the schools and the general infrastructure.  The bus systems have gone to
hell;  each year it gets harder and harder to get from the residential
neighborhoods into the city.  BART  is impossible to use unless you
have a car or live seriously downtown. And housing prices are out of
line with wage earnings by around 30%.  The state budget battle this
year has had a huge impact on many people, particulaly those who
either work for the state/medical system or those who have small children.
Several of my freinds, most of whom have kids, are actively looking
for jobs and housing in other areas.  Top of the list right
now is Raleigh/Duram/Chapel Hill in North Carolina.  I  was there last
weekend, and things looked very good - it rains often, the land is
green, housing prices are about half what they are here, and there
is a decent college district and good arts community.  The people were
friendly, even on the roads where we strangers were lost and in need
of direction. Try asking for directrions in downtown SF.  I'm not
sure if I can live that far into the South, but it's certainly very
tempting at this point, as buying a house here and sending my kids
to the Oakland schools is not something I really look forwards to.
I would either have to work all the time and take side contracts
or face some hideous commute to afford a house here and never see my
family.  That's not living - it's slavery.  And beautiful as the
Bay Area is, I am not willing to put up with that kind of lifestyle.
I leave it to the rich and job-obsessed.   And the poor and trapped. 
I'm none of the above.

(Getting down off of soapbox)

Just letting off some steam-
Rick D.
-- 
                                              <uunet,usenix>!rgbsys!rick
                    R  G  B  Spectrum         rick@rgb.com
               950 Marina Village Parkway
                   Alameda, California
From: rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:28:02 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>
>   Or just tell they they ARE ex-KGB...
>
>   Wait till they get up here and take a look at the help wanted
>   section of the Seattle PI...it's pretty skinny, particularly for
>   computer nerds.
>
>   Seriously I've bee in town for a few weeks and don't get a bad
>   reception, being from CA..as long as I make it clear I am just
>   passing thru...but the job market in Seattle makes Silicon Valley
>   look like a boom town.  

IMHO, One of the biggest myths about California is that people moved here
because they liked it.  They moved here because that is where the jobs
were.  If they were a million high technology jobs in Oklahoma,
then there would be a million computer nerds there working those
high tech jobs.

If native Californians want all the economic refugees to leave the state,
then they should join their favorite out-of-state chamber of commerce
to help export all those high tech jobs to surrounding states.  Otherwise,
I think will have to wait for 20% unemployment.

 
Rex Tener                                                 rtener@pyramid.com
Pyramid Technology                                            A.M.A. #580669 
"Radical is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air." - F.D.R. (1944)
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:20:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Californian women, having a problem finding a Californian man?  I am 
about to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks 
to the imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 310 men and 174 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming is nearly completed.
 
                                                          Eric Klien
From: yso@chem.ucsd.edu (Yeong Soo Oh)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: car
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:05:32 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemi3.ucsd.edu


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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Re: Where are the Hot Spots in N. California???
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.142826.2473@nic.csu.net> sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99) writes:
>I am going on a mini-road trip up the coast of California, from Orange
>County through Santa Barbara, through San Luis Obispo etc.   and up through 
>San Francisco to Santa Rosa(?) over Labor day weekend.
>
>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY EXCITING PLACES TO STOP OFF AT OR SEE ON MY WAY or
>know of any activities happeneing over this particular weekend?
>
>I am in my mid-twentys and like to have fun and do more "local" activities
>than "tourist type" activities.
>
>Any input will be appreciated.  Please respond directly to me....
>Thank you

I'm posting because I've forgotten the name of the town with the giant clam
-- something you MUST NOT MISS!  Can someone help?


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244		--------------------+
| "Other sports exist only to keep you occupied until baseball season comes |
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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:18:51 GMT
Distribution: ca

>>I know several people who have left California recently, and I'm hearing
>>more talk about it.  Do you have a general sense of incoming/outgoing?
>>Have you thought about leaving yourself?

>If it wasn't for this company I'd be gone, gone, gone.  Except for the
>weather and the Comic Con, California sucks big time.

Bye, bye!

As Woody Guthrie sang a generation ago (and slightly modified):

	So long it's been good to know you.
	So long it's been good to know you.
	So long it's been good to know you.
	This dusty old dust is a getting you down.

Bye, bye!

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Native
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:41:22 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

>rudomet@eltamin.usc.edu (Steve Rudometkin) writes:
>>They are thinking of the PNW or the Denver area (avid skiiers).  They are 
>>going to Denver for Labor Day weekend to scout the area north/west? of the 
>>city (Boulder, Colo Springs).  If they don't like it, they will take another 
>>long weekend to go up to the Seattle area.
>
In article <rdippold.714421211@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>Just make sure they don't tell anyone in Seattle that they're from
>California if they want a good reception.  They might consider saying
>they're from Arizona, or are fleeing KGB torturers.

   Or just tell they they ARE ex-KGB...

   Wait till they get up here and take a look at the help wanted
   section of the Seattle PI...it's pretty skinny, particularly for
   computer nerds.

   Seriously I've bee in town for a few weeks and don't get a bad
   reception, being from CA..as long as I make it clear I am just
   passing thru...but the job market in Seattle makes Silicon Valley
   look like a boom town.