HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Is there such a thing as Homosexual Sex
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:56:11 GMT

csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:

] In article <1992Oct7.215715.12363@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] >latarra@buhub.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
] >]
] >
] >As has already been clearly Established,
] >If there is NO POTENTIAL FOR GESTATION
] >there can be NO SEX.
] >
] 
] So, there is no such thing as homosexual sex.
 
CYNTHIA,

thank you for asking this most pressing question
on everyones mind, especially given the prospects
of voting for a man who's woman admits that 
'sex is death', a Great Hero willing to 
ride up in a shining suit of rented armor
atop his trusted White Pony, and a Guy who
basically looks like a Good Lay is something
that he got from a florist before going to 
Hawaii as he didn't want to look like a tourist.


The Sad and Unfortunate state of things is
that YES, there is homosexual sex. There are
persons out there who are outwardly acting
like homosexuals, but deep down inside they
have this fear that they are unwilling to
face, and that Maybe Their Mother's were
right and that if they engage in SEX they
really will Get Pregnant.

Many of these are like Dukakis supporters,
they KNEW if they voted for Dukakis the
economy would rot out from underneath them,
and there would be crime in the streets.

But they went ahead and did it anyway.

Besides, The bible Clearly states that if
a man lieth with another man, as he would
with a woman, that this Is Not Nice. And
what DO we learn from this:

Homosexual sex is when a Man Lieth with
another man with the intention of making
the other man pregnant.

Otherwise - If you are engaging in 
strange activities without intending to
get the other person pregnant, then you
are clearly NOT engaging in SEX.

So Those Gay Persons out there who are
NOT intending on getting their partner
pregnant MUST JUST FACE FACTS. What
ever else You may wish to call it,
IT IS NOT HOMOSEXUAL SEX.

Either that, or someone has been fibbing me
and telling me that if I engage in sex I
have also consented to the subsequent pregnancy.

ciao

Miss Drieux

ps: am I the only one out here who seems to
remember that there was a major fight in the
GOP convention about things like sexual lifestyles
and whether or not these are relevant issues, and
like the next president will be nominating the
next supreme court justices... and that maybe
selecting folks to fill quotas on the bench might
not be a great Idea?

Don't Just Rock the Vote!
Kick OUT THE JAMS!


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:17:43 GMT


In article <ld6j6nINNk3@spim.mti.sgi.com>, 
mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) said:

> > To conspire with an enemy country during war is an act of a
> > traitor.  Bill Clinton may or may not have done this - he was more
> > likely a "willing dupe" - but for him to protest the war IN A
> > FOREIGN COUNTRY, and to travel to the capital of the main enemy,
> > is, to say the least, very suspect. As a veteran of that period, I
> > find it reprehensible and offensive.  [john@anasazi.com]
> 
> 1.  Russia was not the enemy in the vietnam war.  North Vietnam and
>     China were the "main enemies."
[ * * * ]

And, of course, let's not forget that there actually was no "war" at
all.  It's kind of hard for me to get mad at someone for not being
loyal to his country when the nation itself -- or at least its
government -- never had the guts to actually deal with the issue of
formally declaring war.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Am I unpatriotic?
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1992Oct13.001239.16006@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:36:10

<Side note:  I am currently doing battle with this machine for
control.  I believe i am winning but your patience is appreciated.>

My comment is essentially about this phrase, written by Patrick J. McGuinness:
>[...]who said Bill Clinton was an organizer of the demonstration in
London 
>in front of the American embassy ( anti-war not anti-American,
right?)

Right.  If you are protesting a policy of a government - and that
government is not of the country you are living in - where do you go?
To that country's embassy, usually; that's where officials of that
country are most likely to be and to see you, and if you're really
lucky you might get media exposure in that country.  It does not 
necessarily mean you are "against" that country (whatever that means,
anyway....).

In short:  If you march in front of an embassy with a sign saying
"STOP THE WAR!"  or "FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS", you are expressing
your opinion that that country should end a war it is involved in, or
free its political prisoners, or whatever.  It does not mean you think
the country is evil, has no right to exist, or should be bombed
back into the stone age.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Bush Aide Foresees Landslide -- for Bush
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:30:28 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.045457.13491@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said:

> Gee, maybe he'd [Bush] begin to agree with Clinton and escalate in
> Bosnia to try to resolve the mess there that James Baker helped
> create.  Except Bush said in the debates that he's "learned the
> lessons of Vietnam" and wouldn't do that.
>
> I'm beginning to be confused.  What was Clinton's sin in speaking
> out against the same thing George Bush did 23 years later?
> Prescience?

Possibly.  I recall reading somewhere (gods know where) that back in
the 1940s and following, the FBI had a neat little label that they
used to put on the files of Americans who'd voiced opposition to
Hitler before it became proper U.S. policy to do so: "Premature
Anti-Fascists."

(After all, we must keep in mind that Bush is the man who actually
said, in public, that it is wrong to demonstrate against your country
when your country's at war.  The mind boggles.)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Subject: Re: Term Limits are Constitutional, Study Shows
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:45:20 GMT
	<1asrkdINNh9f@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<1992Oct7.072159.949@u.washington.edu>

Just to inject a practical note into this thread, I will point out that the
ultimate answer to this question will probably be available a few months
after the Nov. 3rd elections. I think something like 18 states have term
limit initiatives on the ballot, and one of them is bound to pass. This will
certainly trigger a lawsuit as the people's representatives take them to
court, and we will eventually get a supreme court ruling (which, unlike the
Cato institute, has opinions that actually count :-).

I know I plan to vote for the Florida term limit initiative in the hopes of
forcing a decision on this very issue (and I don't even believe in term
limits).
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: Transcript of Sunday's Presidential Debate
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:40:00 GMT

In article <Bw2uvr.93J@apollo.hp.com>, 
nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes...

>  I'm not criticizing buying political power, success, or influence
>  per se, I'm just saying that Perot is no different in this respect
>  than, say, the League of Conservation Voters, the Moral Majority
>  or the NRA.   And so it's hypocritical of him to criticize PACs
>  like that.  Presumably they and their supporters sincerely believe
>  in the justice of their cause just as he does.   It's like groups
>  in the Mideast calling themselves "freedom fighters" and their
>  foes "terrorists".   

Except that Perot is showing that the fact of Party Politics is that
they can be bought, and that's been his point all along. Just as he
showed that he would get the support of the people before going to
an Iraq-like war -- by getting the support of the volunteers before
running for president. Just as he showed that the electoral process
is rigged. Just as he showed how plastic the party candidates are.
Just as he showed how compromised the "news" media is.

The difference between images and actions is becoming clearer all 
the while.

Like the fact that the Democrats and Republicans both passed a 
$1.5 trillion dollar budget last week, but the only item reported
was a $27 billion distraction which is going to be vetoed. And no
attempt was made to cut spending or borrowing.

The American People at large are not a PAC.

-- Stephen Tice    Arlington Texas    10-14-92
From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

Tim Smith) writes:
|> Michael Polen) writes:
|> >This is the same Robert Dornan who started as a right wing
|> >TV talk show commentator (sounds like a trend) and whose wife
|> >once asked (when co-hosting) if homosexuality was hereditary.
|> 
|> What was wrong with that question?  How about recessive genes or
|> kin selection?
|> 
Could someone with biology background figure out how long it
would take a trait to disappear if it precluded reproduction?

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:50099 alt.politics.elections:15497
From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: All deficits are not created equal.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:33:29 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <BvnLoE.CEq@rice.edu> byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.043630.18718@athena.mit.edu>, jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel) writes:
>
>How many of you out there think the deficit spending so rampant in the 1980's and to
>this day where elaborate schemes to:
>
>  a)  win the cold war
>
>  b)  spur economic growth
>
>  c)  win elections by taking money out of non-voters hands to make life more
>      pleasent (in appearance and for the short term) for voters.
>
>
>-- 
>Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu        
>Rice University                    
>Dept of Elec & Comp Engr          
>XUV Holographic Microscope Project 

In Reagans case I think it was none of the above. I think it was simply 
naive economic theory. It Bush's case I think it is pretty close to 3.

Richard Foy  Redondo Beach, CA         Standard Disclaimer








Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,soc.singles,alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.bizarre
From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: A Most Pressing COncern
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:34:08 GMT

In article <Bvsr0M.1o6@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
> In article <1avrpqINNsvg@bigboote.WPI.EDU> walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) writes:
> >
> >>Orgasms, in the main, are messy things,
> >>and Really are not the sort of things
> >>that decent persons with good personal
> >>hygeine standards would wish to involve
> >>themselves in/with/towards.
> >	Sounds like this person can't get their rocks off to me.
> >Its only messy if you shoot somebody in the face or your so wet that
> >you flood your bedroom.
>   What does this have to do with Clinton?

Well, Barbara Bush recently stated that "sex is death."
I think she was just talking about sex with George, though.

Most opinions I've heard on the subject have been somewhat
more encouraging.

Dean Kaflowitz
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Subject: Re: U.S.A. vs Canada
Originator: clewis@bcarh1d7
Organization: Never catch me organized!
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:53:47 GMT

In article <Oct.11.12.31.20.1992.28236@remus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
|But comment is certainly warranted here.  _WHO_ is it that says Canada
|is on average better than the U.S.?  Canadians?

Nope.  The United Nations did.  And the US wasn't second either.  Nor third.
Nor fourth.

[I know, must be in revenge for the USA not paying its UN dues for a number
of years...]

|In order to ascertain the veracity of the
|above claim, all you need do is perform the "gate" test.  It goes like
|this: put gates around every country in the world.  Then, open all the
|gates.  In which direction will the people go?  By far and away, the
|largest number would go to the U.S. (except for certain misfits like
|Jim Robinson, but good riddance anyway).

Ain't necessarily so.  Canada is preferred destination for many.  Ie:
Chinese leaving Hong Kong.

Even if true, who cares, good riddance anyways.  Like they say, for every
Canadian that migrates to the US, the average intelligence in both countries
goes up.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Sustainable lifestyles
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:46:25 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.191732.24793@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
>What was wrong with old wetlands ? Did we have a rational reason for
>destroying them, or is this all just post-facto rationalisation ?

There were no "old wetlands", there were just "swamps", which were filled in
when they got in the way.  Nowadays we know better.  Nick was merely suggesting
that creating wetlands deliberately would help redress the balance.  Are you
against this?

...
>long; ergo, I support tree farming to provide for our timber needs. 
>So what are you going on about ?

Tree-farming is a motherhood-and-apple-pie thing, but you're original statement
_was_ pretty sweeping.  Paper is getting way out of hand. Sometimes I fantasize
about a law forbidding blank paper sales to the gov't or any commercial concern.
Especially the gov't.

>There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a
>little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider
>price only are this man's lawful prey.
>						John Ruskin

Good nutshell description of American management techniques...

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: The Decline of America: "Education President: " U.S. "Leads the World"
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:00:13 GMT

The Decline of America: "Education President:" U.S. "Leads the World"


==================================================================
Percentage of four-year-olds enrolled in preprimary programs,
                        1987-90:(18)
==================================================================

                               PREPRIMARY
               COUNTRY         ENROLLMENT

               France            100.0   
               Belgium            98.1   
               Netherlands        97.9   
               Spain              90.6   

               Germany            71.6   
               New Zealand        72.8   
               United Kingdom     69.2   
               Austria            63.4

               United States      56.1   
               Japan              54.6   
               Ireland            52.1   
               Norway             44.1   
               Canada             41.4   
               Finland            19.6   
               Switzerland        18.7   

******************************************************************
Source: Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development Education in
OECD Countnes 1987-88 (Paris: OECD, 1990), p. 107.
******************************************************************

From: page 59 of:

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  
_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New    
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro.   

New York, May 1992, Vintage Books, a division of Random House.   
$10 paperback. ISBN 0-679-73893-2  
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -   

    "America is becoming a land of private greed and public squalor.   
    This book is an indispensable road map through the wreckage. The   
    facts it reveals will startle you. They may depress you. But   
    ideally they'll fire you up to help rebuild this nation."   

                        -Robert B. Reich, author of The Work of Nations   


Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:50217 alt.politics.clinton:9017
From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)
Subject: Re: Some people are AMAZED for different reasons...
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.110303.4835@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

>	Gore does indeed advocate an environmental Marshall Plan.  The only
>figure to go on (so far) is 100 billion dollars.
>
>	So, Mr. Gore, just answer the question:
>
>	How much will it cost?

Give us the Bill!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Sustainable lifestyles
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Oct12.194732.25893@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.075735.8668@netcom.com> beast@netcom.com (Master) writes:
>>In article <JMC.92Oct7225619@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>>Here's the energy god again.  There is plenty of energy to be had.
>>>Human labor is what needs to be conserved, unless we want to live in
>>>poverty.
>>
>>I agree.  The thing that really gets me about these people who want us to
>>make as many of the things we use as possible (including growing our own
>>food) is that they don't seem to realize just how much time we would actually
>>spend doing these things.  
>
>Do you ? Do you know that I can grow 80% of my summer diet and about
>30% of a winter one on 300 square feet with less than 10 hours of work
>a week ? 

10 hours a week at the national median income level converts to $225
a week. I could eat in *good* resturants for that kind of cash. There's
nothing wrong with being a *hobby* gardener, but don't try to make
a virtue out of it. I grow tomatoes because I like them, but I figure
they cost me about $4 each by the time I count tools, sets, fertilizer,
and *labor*. Gardening is an *expensive* hobby for those with the
money and the leisure time to pursue it. You can't compete with
commercial truck farmers.

>					 The more labor intensive day-to-day
>>survival is, the lower the standard of living is.
>
>Ridiculous, unless your only measure of standard-of-living is based
>around material goods. Machinery has made our lives immeasurably more
>comfortable, and we would be fools to do without it completely. But it
>has also made many of our lives suffer the absence of satisfaction for
>a good part of each day. Perhaps this absence predates machinery,
>perhaps it does not - I certainly do not want to glorify the past as
>some kind of "golden age" - it clearly was not. 

Your life may lack satisfaction at your ordinary employment, if so I
suggest a career change. Many of us are doing exactly what we wanted
to do since we were children, and that doesn't include stoop labor for
most of us. I grew up looking at the backside of a mule. Today I still
own a farm, but have air conditioned machinery that does the work of
that mule in a fraction of the time. That allows me to pursue other
things that I enjoy, like working in broadcasting and hacking with
computers.

Time is the scarcest resource  of all. 

Gary
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:52251 alt.politics.elections:17210 alt.politics.bush:9423 alt.politics.clinton:10832 alt.politics.perot:2253
From: bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot
Subject: States in which Clinton leads by 15% or more
Date: 16 Oct 1992 05:07:42 GMT
Organization: Committee to Impeach H. Ross Perot's Barber
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfa.berkeley.edu

   States in Which Clinton Leads by 15% or More

   EV  State Bush Clinton Perot  Poll End Date
   54   CA    30    51      7      7 Oct
   33   NY    28    59      7     11 Oct
   23   PA    30    51      9     11 Oct
   21   OH    30    47      8      7 Oct
   18   MI    31    50      8      3 Oct
   15   NJ    30    46      6      4 Oct
   12   MA    23    47     16     21 Sep
   11   WA    29    46     11     28 Sep
   10   MD    34    50      6      4 Oct
   10   MN    27    53     13      6 Oct
    8   CO    25    44     18     30 Sep
    7   OR    26    49     10      4 Oct
    6   AR    25    58      6      1 Oct
    5   WV    29    50      5      1 Oct
    4   RI    21    46     12     23 Sep
    4   HI    21    48     17      1 Oct
    3   VT    26    50      9      1 Oct
    3   DC    17    71      8     21 Sep
  ---  
  247  (270 Needed for election)

----
    --Brad Sherman
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