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From: u9148124@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Erik Ragland)
Subject: Re: Only thing which can stop the Broncos
Keywords: Broncos referees Sydney bias media
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:49:04 GMT

ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:

>The Broncos are a better football team than any remaining in the
>premiership.  They have survived the harder draw, the greater number of
>representative commitments, and the medias effects on refereeing
>performances. The only teams the Broncos should fear are Illawarra and
>Newcastle as these two teams have also come through the difficult draw i.e.

Nope, they should be fearing Saints, there better than both Newcastle and
Illawarra.

>playing Manly,Brisbane,Penrith,Canberra,Newcastle and Illawarra twice.
>Everyone else has had the luxury of playing Souths, Parramatta, Norths etc
>twice. However the medias effect on refereeing performances is beyond a
>joke. A friend of mine from England watched a certain refereeing performance
>by Graham Annesley a few weeks ago whilst in control of a Wests-Broncos
>match. He was astonished that such poor and (I quote) 'obviously biased'
>refereeing could be tolerated. He sincerely hoped that Annesley never had
>the opportunity to control an International match. I told him calmly that
>though this was worse than usual this is the sort of thing the Broncos put
>up with every match. Not a whimper of protest of the refereeing performance
>was noted in the media. However when a referee actually allows the same 5m
>for the Broncos as a NSW team (i.e. Newcastle), he is immediately dropped to
>a lower status in the refereeing heirarchy. Another referee was dropped for
>allowing a Bronco's try which when given the benefit of a television replay
>one could just tell it was dropped some 5 inches above ground (this event
>produced in-goal judges), however when Illawarra scored a doubly knocked on
>try and were given a two point conversion for kicking the conversion wide

This was ridiculous i'll give you that.


>the cheif referee (I forget his name) says that those kind of things happen.
>St. George scored two illegal tries to 'beat' Wests by 1 point. The thing I


You fail to say how they were illegal, i was at the game and i saw nothing
wrong with them at all. One of the steelers tries against Saints the next
week was clearly scored from a knocked on in the play the ball though.
The dragons would ahve won had it not been for that (they didnt deserve too,
but my point is they would have won.)
I'd just like to hear why these 2 tries against Wests, And by the way Annesly
is definately not biased to Saints, just take a look at how many of the games
Saints win when he is reffing.

Adam.






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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: WCE!!!! HA!
Date: 14 Sep 1992 03:12:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

Just a nice letter to everybody who thought the wce were hopeless

anyway, my predictions have still held ! a west coast eagles vs geelong
final! and i stick with that...

ha ha... 

anyway.... i am sorry to say anything else...

wce premiers 1992
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer)
Subject: NSWRL Final Scores (was Re: Newcastle V St.George)
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:41:27 GMT

ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:

>c9117709@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE WORLD IS ONLY ROUND COS TRIANGLES WOULDN'T FIT) writes:

> happen in football. Just for the record Illawarra by 16. And then Brisbane
> by about 10 in the Grand Final from Illawarra.

JFTR:	Illawarra 15 vs St George 6
	Brisbane 26 vs Illawarra 14

Over to you...


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From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: RE: WCE EAGLES "ARE" INVINCIBLE...
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:58:27 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Sep7.041825.17439@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
> WELL...
> 
> ALL i can say is sucked in... esp. everybody who wrote me obscene
> letters saying the WCE would lose and go no where...
> 
> well that shows just how blind all eastern stater's are... and my
> predictions have held.... unlike the victorians...
> 
> again... may i say and geelong vs. wce grand final... sucked in!
> 
> wce premiers 1992!!!
> 
> bye!
> 
> comments welcome?
> 
> blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au

 
     I think you'll find most Victorian's were wrapped to see
   the Eagles beat Hawthorn.
   
     In fact most of my friends don't mind WCE. They are a great
   team to watch and have some wonderful players. Guys like Matera,
   Sumich and Turley admired by all. 

   T9014192@phillip.ed
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Subject: Re: Fabulous Weekend of Footy
Keywords: Collingwood Sux!
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date:  7 Sep 92 23:30:03 GMT

10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY) writes:

>My tip : Geelong.

I agree, though I'd love to see St.Kilda make the grand final. It's a joy to
watch Harvey, Loewe and Winmar (not to mention Lockett) whom I think rank as
3 of the top 6 most dominant footballers playing. Geelong should win the
final though my head says it will be West Coast playing them in the final. 
Definately the most interesting final series for years.
 
 Jeff, Queenslander who likes AFL and Rugby League equally, and also tipped
correctly on all finals of both codes on the weekend, my luck can't last!

p.s.  tips for coming weekend:  Geelong,St.Kilda
				Brisbane,Newcastle.
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Fabulous Weekend of Footy
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:50:44 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <10764380.4.715822166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY) writes:
> What a tremendous weekend of finals this weekend has been.
> We have witnessed the elimination of the two most hated football
> teams.....ie. Collingwood and Hawthorn!
  Now we are left with four teams, where the team which won the most recent
> premiership, St. Kilda, last won it in 1966!!!
> 
> The last time Geelong won it was 1963. Footscray's last premiership was
> in 1954, and of course the West Coast Eagles haven't won it at all, and
> I sincerely hope that they won't start this year.
> 
> So now we have the most interesting finals series ahead of us for many
> many years.
> My tip : Geelong.
> 
> Andrew
> **********************************************************************
> *         Andrew Dockery             *     "Let's waste him...no     *
> *  10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au   *            offence."          *
> *    dox@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au       *        -Corporal Hicks        *
> *  Monash Uni, Melbourne, Australia  *           "Aliens"            *
> **********************************************************************

     I'm sure that all the football world were delighted to
   see Hawthorn lose. No doubt it is the end of Hawthorn's
   'LUCKY' run in the finals. Next year they won't even reach
   the finals. Neither will Collingwood. In fact, both these
   teams will be so pathetic over the next decade that they
   will be forced to merge and relocate to Tasmania. Thankfully,
   all their supporters will go with them (including Alan McAlister).
   In fact, I believe we should adopt Serbia's 'ethnic cleansing'
   policy : we will call it 'Magpie cleansing'.

         EXTERMINATE ALL COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS.



   
   Gavin Patrick.

   
    p.s. Geelong will win the flag by a landslide.
       Brownless will kick 10 goals in the Grand Final.
From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Tips (Was Re: How we can improve NSWRL Reffing)
Date: 6 Sep 92 07:17:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia

I hate to skite but Round 1 to me on the tipping for the finals. Tipping was
based on the fact that Wests and St.George came through the easy draw. Just
to update future rounds (with revised margins):

Round 2

Newcastle vs St.George : Newcastle by 10.
Brisbane  vs Illawarra : Brisbane  by 12.

Round 3
 
Newcastle vs Illawarra : Illawarra (ummm maybe Newcastle) by 1.

Grand Final

Brisbane vs Illawarra : Brisbane in a canter.

I honestly feel the only reason St.George got close to Illawarra in the end
was the "We've one the game let's save ourselves for next week" attitude by
the Illawarra defence. Did you notice the less fierce running from the 5 in
defence in the last ten minutes?  

Newcastle were just too professional for Wests who were not able to stand up
to the Knights' new found creative attack. I think this match highlighted
the differences between the two halves of the draw.
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Subject: Fabulous Weekend of Footy
Keywords: Collingwood Sux!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:29:26 GMT

What a tremendous weekend of finals this weekend has been.
We have witnessed the elimination of the two most hated football
teams.....ie. Collingwood and Hawthorn!

Now we are left with four teams, where the team which won the most recent
premiership, St. Kilda, last won it in 1966!!!

The last time Geelong won it was 1963. Footscray's last premiership was
in 1954, and of course the West Coast Eagles haven't won it at all, and
I sincerely hope that they won't start this year.

So now we have the most interesting finals series ahead of us for many
many years.
My tip : Geelong.

Andrew
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*         Andrew Dockery             *     "Let's waste him...no     *
*  10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au   *            offence."          *
*    dox@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au       *        -Corporal Hicks        *
*  Monash Uni, Melbourne, Australia  *           "Aliens"            *
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Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Subject: RE: WCE EAGLES "ARE" INVINCIBLE...
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:18:25 GMT

WELL...

ALL i can say is sucked in... esp. everybody who wrote me obscene
letters saying the WCE would lose and go no where...

well that shows just how blind all eastern stater's are... and my
predictions have held.... unlike the victorians...

again... may i say and geelong vs. wce grand final... sucked in!

wce premiers 1992!!!

bye!

comments welcome?

blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: c9117709@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH........)
Subject: A Knight to remember + Revised tips
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:27:19 GMT

***************************tips**********************************************

	Well what a Knight to remeber,(pardon the pun) the tipsters are all up
in arms over the certain games on the weekend.  I'd like to here what everyone
has to say about both games on the weekend.  I didn't see the St.George v
Illawarra game on Saturday so I wont comment, but lets look at the Newcastle
game.  I've got to agree with the "endclark@...." that newcastle played far
superior to wests yesterday.  Newcastle finally proved that they can play a
full agme of football.  
	Let's look at the reffing from the weekend.  No bias here over
Newcastles win but surely Greg Mc has to be in line for the GFinal now after a
a good game with the whistle.  The greatest factor being that he was consistent
throughout not blowing one way in the first half and then another.  I must heap
praise on the silver haired touch judge who was there yesterday.  He ruled
correctly on the O'Davis try.  When there is a doubt about the try whic h
there was yesterday you can't allow it as has been done in previous years.

	Comments welcome form all.

	P.S. tips for next round

			Newcastle v St.George -  Newcastle (on this weeks form)

			Brisbane  v Illawarra -  Brisbane (although i want the
							   steelers to win)

		Pete.  aka "Mr.Newcastle"
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: JVC VCRs - Any problems ?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:04:29 GMT

After the caneing that JVC VCRs seem to get in rec.video I thought I'd
post here to gauge the feeling of Australia JVC VCR owners.
I own a JVC 5800 SVHS deck and have had no problems with it. Other than
it seems very sensitive to tape quality of rental tapes. The titles
are unstable and have lines thru them on bad tapes.

Whats the feeling of othen JVC owners. For my money they are excellent
units. Are our units built in the same place as those exported to the
US ? This could be why the Americans dislike JVC so - who knows?

-- 
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* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
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Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin)
Subject: Re: Brands.
Reply-To: John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.031325.27773@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>,
	scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:

> I notice certain brands receive little attention in the US audio groups
> such as Luxman.  In those groups (rec.audio, rec.audio.high-end) I see
> a lot of talk about Adcom, Thiel and Carver products.  To the best of
> my knowledge these are almost unheard of in Australia.

Scott and all,

You're right.  Most people I meet who know anything about hi-fi haven't
heard about Carver amps.  I certainly haven't seen them sold in Oz
by _anyone_ in Sydney or Brisbane other than John Gipps Stereo
in Brisbane, which is where I bought my Carver M400 back in 1982.

(By the way, if any Brisbane people read this, John Gipps was a
fine guy and had the very best hi-fi business in Brisbane -- does
anyone know if he is still in business?  If he is, I heartily
recommend him.  And if you happen to know him, do say hi to him
for me.  He might remember me, even after eight years -- I was,
as far as I know, the only person to buy a Shure V15 type V from him...)

The M400 is a very nice amplifier.  It has an extremely clean
sound and good protection circuits.  And it's no wimp at 200WRMS
per channel.

I think I paid $800 for it; it was an ex-demo model.  Another
nice thing about it is its unusual appearance; it's a sort of
fecal brown colour, and cubical, and has nothing on the front
except some peak level LED's.  _Three times_ its weird look has saved
it from being stolen when (obviously non-audiophile :) thieves
took other components -- much flashier-looking, and much less
valuable -- from the same stereo cabinet.

-- 
John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
`Snob intellectual batchelors can't have fun in San Antonio.'  -Ted Nelson
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi,rec.audio
From: gps@ecr.mu.oz.au (Gavin_Paul SMITH)
Subject: NEC HI-FI
Keywords: NEC - Are they back or is this just in the U.S.A
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:54:25 GMT


Watching the U.S open tennis last night I happened to see little tennis and a lot of
rain .. But that is unimportant ...
What did catch my attention is those commercials of NEC Hi-Fi .
Does this mean that NEC is back into Hi-Fi ?
Or is this just in the U.S.A ?

Hopefully I can get an NEC tuner compat. with my NEC A910 Amp remote control !

Does anyone know about the new Hi Fi stuff from NEC ??


I've Had an NEC A910 90W amp for 2 years with Celestion (Ditton 3) Speakers and
are happy !!!

Cheers .


********* gps Melbourne University - Chemical Engineering. *********	
   Your Achievement .. What has it come to ????????????????????
 ************NAPALM DEATH********MANCHESTER UNITED F.C.************ 
                     The Fatality of Optimism .
From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:34:12 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <nics.714954117@ee.uts.EDU.AU> nics@ee.uts.edu.au writes:
> 
> RMS (Root Mean Square) is a mathematical operation used to compare AC signals.
> As power is always positive, it is NOT required to calculate the RMS, it is
> sufficient to calculate the AVERAGE ! RMS power is simple a marketing buzzword
> for continuous average power, that is, the amount of power (P = VI averaged over
Sorry Nick, you dont know what you are talking about. RMS is not the same as
average. For a sine wave their is a constant factor relating them, but for more
complicated wave -forms the relation is not readily predictable.
I'll update this after I've had some sleep...
Graham B 
> Nick
From: edh163c@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (J.R. Wells)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Melbourne Audio Club?
Summary: Don't do it.
Keywords: Info needed on Melbourne Audio Club.
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:27:54 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Monash University, Australia.

Nuff said,
  jon.
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: Re: Choosing a CD player
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:59:58 GMT
Summary: Problems with one bit converters

In article <cma851.715996407@huxley>, cma851@huxley.anu.edu.au (Brenton LeMesurier) writes:
> 
>    Finally, here is what little I know about 1-bit versus multibit
> (usually 18 or 20 bit) digital to analogue conversion.  First a spoiler:
> both methods, done well, can produce vey good results.  Far better than
> anything in the $300 or $400 price range.  So it is not a simple case of
> one being better than the other.
> 
>    The main rationale for the development of 1-bit D/A conversion seems
> to be a certain sort of distortion that multibit conversion is prone to:
> "zero-cross distortion" for lovers of jargon.  This comes from the need
> for the multibit converter to produce a series of outputs at precise
> ratios of 1:2:4:8 etc.  If these ratios are not close enough, slight
> audible distortion occurs.  Careful manual factory adjustment can
> overcome this problem, but you will probably not get that on a $300
> player.  1-bit approach apparently replaces differnent current levels by
> the signals put out for varying short periods of time, which can be
> controlled more readily, with quartz crystal oscillators and so on.

	I remember hearing that a few of the 1 bit D/A converters have
problems of their own, notably distortion and noise caused by clock jitter
and other tight timing constraints imposed by the 1 bit conversion scheme.
(yes, even quartz crystal oscillators have jitter, and high speed analog
switches have finite and sometimes asymmetric switching times).
Newer models may have reduced these problems.

	Graeme Gill

Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: gjessup@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Geoff Jessup)
Subject: Re: Choosing a CD player
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:25:13 GMT

Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: nics@ee.uts.edu.au (Nick Snoek)
Subject: Re: RMS versus Average power
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:09:38 GMT

MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:

>In <nics.714954117@ee.uts.EDU.AU> nics@ee.uts.edu.au writes:
>> 
>> RMS (Root Mean Square) is a mathematical operation used to compare AC signals.
>> As power is always positive, it is NOT required to calculate the RMS, it is
>> sufficient to calculate the AVERAGE ! RMS power is simple a marketing buzzword
>> for continuous average power, that is, the amount of power (P = VI averaged over
>Sorry Nick, you dont know what you are talking about. RMS is not the same as
>average. For a sine wave their is a constant factor relating them, but for more
>complicated wave -forms the relation is not readily predictable.
>I'll update this after I've had some sleep...
>Graham B 
Sorry Graham, I do know what I am talking about. I agree that I  incorrectly
implied that RMS power and Average power are equal, they are not, but my claim
that when HI-FI salesmen say RMS power, they mean AVERAGE power, still stands.
That is - as far as a HIFI saleman goes, they are equal.

When calculating the RMS of a voltage or current, one effectively finds the DC
value of that quantity which would produce the same average power when fed 
through a resistive load (no complex powers or loads here, its only DC after 
all !). One could apply the RMS operation to the power wave form, but the 
resultant quantity is quite meaningless.

So in conclusion :
When they say RMS power they mean Average power (calculated through the use of 
RMS voltages and current).
When they say peak power they are already talking double the average value, 
without even changing the power levels involved.
When they say Peak Music Power, they are talking Vmax x Imax on transients. 
Unfortunately, no one ever defines the duration or repetition rate of these 
transients, making this specification meaningless as well.

Stay suspicious of Hi-Fi salesmen !

Nick.
From: u1056905@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Choosing a CD player
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:26:44 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales


Hi all,

Well, my 7 year old CD player decided it's time to say goodbye, and died
a  couple of weeks ago. I don't think I'm going to bother fixing it, since
I have a feeling it would cost me just as much, and it's not worth it with
a 7 year old CD player.

Anyway, I am now looking for a new player, and I need your help :)

I am planning on spending no-more than A$300! Looking around this seems like a
reasonable amount. However, there are differences in prices which I am not
sure whether they are fully justified, and therefore I thought I should
ask you guys.

First, what is this 1-bit tecnology (or something like that) that I see on many
new machines? Does it make any difference to the sound?
I mean, I was always under the impression that all CDs produce similar
sound, but some provide extra features like remote control, shuffle playing.
etc'...
So is there REAL difference in sound b/w different machines??


I also wondered if there are any preferred brands in this field. My old machine
was a Sony, and I was quite happy with it (well, until it parished).

And finally, does anyone know of a good store (read: cheapest prices and good
service) around the Sydney area??

Oh... should I be waiting for sales/clearances/etc and stuff? any good 
burgains there?

Thanks for your time.
Assi.
u1056905@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Melbourne Audio Club?
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:03:07 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <sim.715300370@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> sim@cs.monash.edu.au writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 	On this week's green guide(Age), there was this mention of 
> a 'Melbourne Audio Club'. Anybody knows anything else abt this club?
> I would like to attend one of their meetings if that is possible.
> 
> Seems like they, sometimes have listening test of speakers ... - interesting.
> 
> Thanks.
> sim
The M.A.C. used to (still does?) have a page in the back of Oz Hi-Fi mag.
I wrote to the address for info early this year. There was no reply...
Graham B