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From: jjb@seeker.mystic.com (Jack Baily)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Burgundy Hammer (Was: Re: Success at Centreville...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:28:32 GMT
Organization: If mandated by a court order

>       I suspect that if the core is flaking as you say, then you do have
>a defective ball; I would get it replaced ASAP, if you can.  Often, a 
>"first batch" of balls comes out bad, and (virtually) all manufacturers
>of these balls will rectify the problem (most likely an exchange).
>

I just bought one last night, and it fits the description above.  In fact,
it's so soft that the drill descended into the ball under its own weight!

The sucker hooks a ton.  I'm normally a down-and-in player, but this
ball is nothing like anything else I have.  I was standing 31, hitting 17.
With a break point at 8 about forty feet down, I was still missing
Brooklyn.  It's hooking about 12 more boards than my Purple Hammer.

The question is, will polishing the ball ruin it?
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Success at Centreville (VA) No-Tap Tourney
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:49:06 GMT


What was supposed to be a simple tune-up session for Monday night league
turned into a first place cash ... rolled a 251, 167, and *300* no-tap
series of 718 to finish first out of 27 male entries.  This was my first
ever no-tap 300 ... and I needed a 296 to get first place   :-)

The thing about this series ... I used the Burgundy Hammer, at a house
that is notorious for early lane breakdown.  My second game is indicative
of that ... however, I got things lined up for the closer ... I had to
add some speed to slow down the break, which seemed to do the trick.

This should also help my confidence for tonight's league there, where I
have been struggling as of recent.


Bob - needing all the confidence he can get at Centreville  :-)

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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Crazy series
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F84E2680012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:19:50 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:26:43 GMT

In article <92280.163630MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller,
MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>When this talk got started, I was really wondering which could be my
>best or worst game.  Yes, I am a non-conformist.  Last night I threw
>182-217-172.  And a week ago Monday it was a 246 in between a couple
>of 170ish games.  Explain that!

hmmm......dyslexic bowling?

heh heh..


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
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From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Is There a FAQ for a.s.b?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:07:04 GMT
Distribution: na

Subject says it all - is there?
I've looked as far back in this group as my newsreader would
go, and haven't seen one.

If there is one, and anyone has a copy, could you please
email me a copy?

thanx

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From: branagan@convex.com (Linda Branagan)
Subject: Beginner's Luck?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:06:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Has anyone else notice that beginner's luck is 
occasionally a force to be reckoned with?

I play in a mixed doubles league, and while
the teams are evenly matched, individual players
often aren't.  It isn't unusual for teams to 
pair an absolute novice with a sharpshooter.

The thing that gets me is that "wild" throwing,
especially in *01, can kill you.  A few weeks ago I 
watched an opponent throw T18, bull, D19 in a game 
of 501.  That's a ton-17!

They were nowhere near out, and her (clearly more 
skilled) partner was telling her to aim for the 20,
which she claimed to be doing!  You can't get much
further from the 20 than the D19, but the points
still count. (It became obvious later that she was
lucky to hit the board at all.)

It's really aggravating to watch much better players
throw 26 over and over and over again....

Has anyone else noticed this, or is it my imagination?

--Linda Branagan, who isn't a spokesperson for
Convex Computer Corporation
Richardson, TX
branagan@convex.com












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From: sasqatch@access.digex.com (Ralph E. Nelson)
Subject: Darts in DC (?)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:06:30 GMT

Can anyone tell me of a place in the DC metro area that not only *has lanes*
but is set up as a dart pub?  Sorry, I spent 2 years down in Blacksburg, VA
at VA Tech with TWO (count 'em TWO!) dart pubs in town.  And I got spoiled...
any time during the week, I could go down to either the Ton-80 Club or the
London Underground and throw to my heart's content WITHOUT getting rude stares
from people that think I am just taking up their dance floor.

I would prefer locations in Maryland (the closer to College Park/Greenbelt, 
the better) but will take what I can get.

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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: Re: Diddle
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:10:16 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct15.174533.6188@odin.corp.sgi.com> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:

>In tournaments, a coin-toss is typically used to decide upon who gets
>"choice" of diddle.  If it's "your choice", you get to decide if you'll
>diddle first or second.  There's some interesting psychology to this,
>but my experience has been that stronger players will always go first
>if it's their choice.  I'm *not* a stronger player, but I've noted that
>I hit a lot more bulls diddling first than trying to follow a diddle 
>looking at me from that little black hole in the middle.

Another advantage in diddling first is that the first dart, 
if not a bull but close, may obscure the second thrower's view of
the bull.

--Rob   spray@convex.com
--Captain (and worst player!), Just Good Friends, A2/B Divison 1
  Mixed Doubles League, Dallas Darts Association.
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <branagan.718923977@convex.convex.com>, branagan@convex.com (Linda Branagan) writes...
> 
>Has anyone else notice that beginner's luck is 
>occasionally a force to be reckoned with?
> 
	My first season shooting league, 3rd week of the season I was in a
	partner game against 2 people who were also rank beginners.

	One of our opponents shot a triple-triple-double out, something like
	110 to 120, to really kill us in the first leg. (She had some coaching,
	since she didn't know any outs.)

	Looser shoot first the second leg, and we won that leg and were even.

	Third leg, reverse diddle to determine who starts, and the same girl
	who did the stupendous out had to diddle. It took her 3 darts before
	she got a dart inside the trip ring for a legal diddle.

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
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From: pkk@mindvox.phantom.com (james kelly)
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:59:32 GMT

test
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Subject: Re: Diddle
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:45:33 GMT

In article <KRAZYKID.92Oct14194221@csa.bu.edu>, krazykid@csa.bu.edu
(Ernest Kim) writes:
|> I know that this is probaby a stupid question to ask, but I've
|> just
|> begun to play darts, and I was wondering, what the heck is a
|> diddle??
|> This term seems to crop up often.  

A "diddle" (sometimes called "diddle for the middle"), is a simple way
of deciding who goes first to start a game.  Both players (or one from
each team in doubles) throw one dart at the bull.  Whoever is closest
to the bull goes first.  If both players hit a single bull, they 
throw again, in reverse order (same if both hit a double bull). If the
first diddler hits a bull (single or double), the second thrower may
request that the first dart be pulled (This is by ADO rules).

If both darts are outside the bull, but appear to be the same distance
from the single bull ring, you throw again.  If a thrown dart doesn't
stick (e.g., due to a wire bounce), throw another one.

In tournaments, a coin-toss is typically used to decide upon who gets
"choice" of diddle.  If it's "your choice", you get to decide if you'll
diddle first or second.  There's some interesting psychology to this,
but my experience has been that stronger players will always go first
if it's their choice.  I'm *not* a stronger player, but I've noted that
I hit a lot more bulls diddling first than trying to follow a diddle 
looking at me from that little black hole in the middle.

|>If someone out there can mail me, or
|> mail me a list of all dart term and what they mean, I would be most
|> appreciative.  Thanks in adavance.

*All" the dart terms?  Hit your local bookstore and get a book on darts.
There are *lots* of dart terms -- dozens and dozens.



-M

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From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Subject: Re: Diddle
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:51:29 GMT

In article <spray.719172616@convex.convex.com>, spray@convex.com (Rob
Spray) writes:
|> In <1992Oct15.174533.6188@odin.corp.sgi.com>
|> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com 
(Mark Hargrove) writes:
 
|> >In tournaments, a coin-toss is typically used to decide upon who
|> gets
|> >"choice" of diddle.  If it's "your choice", you get to decide if
|> you'll
|> >diddle first or second.  There's some interesting psychology to
|> this,
|> >but my experience has been that stronger players will always go
|> first
|> >if it's their choice.  I'm *not* a stronger player, but I've noted
|> that
|> >I hit a lot more bulls diddling first than trying to follow a
|> diddle 
|> >looking at me from that little black hole in the middle.
|> 
|> Another advantage in diddling first is that the first dart, 
|> if not a bull but close, may obscure the second thrower's view of
|> the bull.

Absolutely.  The psychologically toughest second diddle is after a first
diddle that hits just under the single ring and angles up, obscuring the
entire bull. There's really no physical problem; but it *looks* tough.
 
The physically toughest obstacle is a dart that hits just
*above* the single ring and angles *down* over the bull.  This just
about forces you to move left or right, and it will still be tough to
avoid a deflection.

-M

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From: 01ssancy@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Setting Up The Out
Date: 11 Oct 92 11:08:50 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Oct9.190842.1787@SSD.intel.com>, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
> How about a new thread?
> 
> I have noticed that most players don't give themselves the OPPORTUNITY
> to win in many situations.  This occurs because the player doesn't
> plan well enough in advance when setting up their out combination.
> 
> The most glaring example is when someone has one dart remaining and
> 182 left.  Most players, without thinking, will throw the T20 and more
> often than not, hit the single to leave 162.  This guarantees the
> opponent six more darts to finish the game.  Had the player shot at
> the T18 and hit the single, the remaining 164 is an out for the next
> turn.
> 
> To further complicate the discusion, let's look at 219.  If you're
> here with one dart left, a T20 leaves 159, T19 leaves 162, T18 leaves
> 165, etc.  You should have shot your second dart to leave 218 or 220
> instead, right?
> 
> This brings up the question, "When do you start looking at the
> remaining score to best position yourself for the out?"  This question
> is left up for discussion.
> 

I usually start when I get within 180 of the highest possible finish.
My skill level usually does not allow me to reach 170 from 350 but it 
gets me thinking of other possible finishes if I don't make it.

> -- 
> 
>>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -




Sarab.
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:57:22 -0400 
From: John Robert Nadzam <jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Dart places in Pittsburgh?

No one would happen to know of any good steel tip places in pittsburgh
Pa to play at would you?
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: dwillar@hubcap.clemson.edu (David Willard)
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:11:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.015842.6698@odin.corp.sgi.com> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.181028.24803@netcom.com>, mcaldwel@netcom.com
>(Michael Caldwell) writes:
>|> When we play cricket we have a no slop rule.  You have to say what number
>|> you are aiming for and any other number doesn't count.  You have to call
>|> the shot or it doesn't count.  I don't know if this is an offical rule, but
>|> it makes for a very strategic and challenging game.
>
>This is standard 'B' (and sometimes 'C') League rules. Be aware that ADO rules
>don't provide for 'call' cricket, and you'll never see it in an ADO sanctioned
>tournament.
>
>--which I'm glad about.  Good players mostly hit what they're throwing at,
>and the occasional slop that results in a good catch can't really be
>begrudged.  Frankly, it generally works in the weaker player's favor,
>and keeps the game between B+ and A players a bit closer.  I personally
>don't like 'call' cricket.  (I also don't believe it changes cricket
>'strategy' at all -- it just penalizes inaccuracy.)

I agree.  What other games do you know of which remove the element 
of randomness we call luck?  I've never liked "no-slop" cricket
for exactly that reason.  Allowing "slop" makes games much more 
interesting between beginners, provides a challenge for intermediate
throwers, and usually has no bearing on games between advanced darters.
Sure, lucky throws can be discouraging, especially when there's a
"prize" at stake, but skill is what wins games.  If I had to choose,
I'd rather be good than lucky (at least at darts!), but I'll take 
any luck that comes my way.  Given that, I just put up with lucky
darts from my opponent, and count on luck running out or changing hands.

-- 
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From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Subject: Re: Chicago blind-draw (was: Re: Beginner's Luck?)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:08:33 GMT

In article <cffe02vs25N101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, cjs01@cd.amdahl.com
(Christopher Somers) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.225430.27506@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
|> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:
|> 
|> >We lost the cricket leg in a blind-draw Chicago shoot a few weeks
|> 			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> 	Could someone explain this?  I saw a posting in a pub advertising
|> 	such an event and wondered how it differed from plain ol' 
|> 	blind-draw.  (Yea, yea, I should have asked someone!  But I'm a
|> 	newcommer and still a bit shy/awed in this pub).

"Chicago" is just a two-out-of-three match, playing cricket, 301, & 501.
Winner of the first diddle gets choice of which game will be played 
first AND gets to start that game.  Loser of the first game gets choice
of second game, and choice of who diddles first for it.  If match goes
1-1, loser of second game gets choice of diddle for the third leg (by this
point, of course, there's no choice of game left).

Chicago is a wonderful blind-draw doubles event, much more interesting
than 501.

And then, of course, there's Burma Road....

-M

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From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:54:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <branagan.718923977@convex.convex.com>, branagan@convex.com
(Linda Branagan) writes:
|> 
|> Has anyone else notice that beginner's luck is 
|> occasionally a force to be reckoned with?
|> 
|> I play in a mixed doubles league, and while
|> the teams are evenly matched, individual players
|> often aren't.  It isn't unusual for teams to 
|> pair an absolute novice with a sharpshooter.
|> 
|> The thing that gets me is that "wild" throwing,
|> especially in *01, can kill you.  A few weeks ago I 
|> watched an opponent throw T18, bull, D19 in a game 
|> of 501.  That's a ton-17!
|> 
|> They were nowhere near out, and her (clearly more 
|> skilled) partner was telling her to aim for the 20,
|> which she claimed to be doing!  You can't get much
|> further from the 20 than the D19, but the points
|> still count. (It became obvious later that she was
|> lucky to hit the board at all.)
|> 
|> It's really aggravating to watch much better players
|> throw 26 over and over and over again....
|> 
|> Has anyone else noticed this, or is it my imagination?

I'm sure every serious, half-way compentent dart player has
wished to use their darts as a stabbing weapon against a
beginner at one time or another. 

We lost the cricket leg in a blind-draw Chicago shoot a few weeks
ago to a team  that should have had no chance after a novice shooter
caught T19, T16, T19 -- while trying to hit 20.  Their partner was a
good shooter; we never could overcome the deficit.  We won the next
two '01 legs, but we never quit shaking our heads.

-M

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From: cjs01@cd.amdahl.com (Chris Somers)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Newcomer Request
Keywords: Leagues
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:09:30 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hello all,

	I finally found this group!  Thanks to my sys-admin for carrying it.
	If anyone can help me out, I'm sure it's you folks :-)

	My brother's advice:  The best way to improve your dart game is
			      to play against people better than you.

	(and so, I play him every time I see him! - twice a year? :-) )

	Well, of course I don't want to play out of my league (key word!)
	but I would like to get into one so I can start playing regularly.
	Right now I just throw at home by myself, and sometimes with a friend.
	The extent of my knowledge on leagues is only that I know there are
	Bronze, Silver and Gold levels. (or whatever other names are used)

	I live in Sunnyvale and have already found the Welshman's Arms pub.
	GREAT place to play, as well as friendly atmosphere.  (In fact, I
	plan on going there tonight)  But my question to the net is how
	do I go about getting into league play?

	Do I need to form a team of my own, can I join as an individual,
	do all leagues look for new members, etc.?

	Then, what should I "look for" in a league?  Surely some are more
	intensely competitive than others.  I mean, I'm a competitive person,
	but I'm NOT in this for the money; I just want to have fun, meet
	other people who enjoy the sport, as well as work at improving my 
	game.

	Any help at all will be greatly appreciated!

	You can post to this group, or email me.


Thank you much,
Chris

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