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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Why not Supra?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:45:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: nick@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu


People:

  Simple question, I have a Mac SE/30 and I want to buy a v32.bis
modem.  I'm thinking of the Supra Fax v32.bis, it looked good in
the MacUser & MacWorld reviews, it's cheap, and there's a lot of
'em out there.  But now I'm hearing a lot of people who aren't 
happy with them.
  My question: is there any specific complaints about them I should
know of?  Should I not buy it, and why?  Also, if not the Supra
what would you recommend instead?

                               Thanks,

                                  -- Nick


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From: bill@solaria (Bill Neisius)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Any Digicom Scout+ bugs?
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:20:01 GMT
Reply-To: bill@solaria.hac.com
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Mike McCole (mikem@travis.csd.harris.com) wrote:
: As Wolfgang has said, Prodigy is selling Digicom Scout+ external
: modems, Prodigy calls them "Eagles".  They come with a 30 day money back
: guarentee for $199.00 U.S.  I haven't seen ANY bug reports about the
: Digicom Scout+, this seems too good to be true.  Before I buy one from
: Prodigy (I'm a member) I would like to know if anyone has had any trouble
: with the Scout+.  Does the fax work ok?  Does it have any supra like
: wierdnesses?  Does it do high speed connections well to other brand modems?
: Does it have any warts at all?

The only complaint I have is the limited speaker controls:  the "L"
commands (speaker volume) are not implemented, and the "M" commands
don't include "M3" (speaker off when dialing...). Not exactly a major
problem...

The only times I know of that it failed to make high speed connections, was
when the remote modem was an HST (single standard).  I did have some trouble
when one person tried to connect to it at 2400... but I'm not sure which end
was causing the problem.  The FAX works fine...

One minor problem is that it "flashes" the phone line when I power-up the
computer.  Annoying if someone is using the line for voice...

It's a great modem...quite a difference going from 2400 baud to
error-free 14.4K with compression...


Bill Neisius
bill@solaria.hac.com
From: elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Docs needed for CTD Datacom plus 2424ADH
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:32:12 -0600
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

In <9211221636.AA21562@bongo.cc.utexas.edu> cerda@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Cerda) writes:
>>> Subject line says it all realy,  I recently got a used
>>> CTS Datacom plus 2424ADH modem, and have no docs for it.

>I have one. What do you want to know? I don't use it anymore since I bought my
>Codex. 

The commands for the error correction modes etc...

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: T-3000 + Fax Upgrade
Keywords: T-3000 fax WorldBlaer upgrade
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:50:07 GMT

bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:

>I'vd been thinking about this ... and find it hard to justify a modem
>as a fax machine.  Many things you want to FAX will be in hard copy from

True -- plus a FAX machine can double as a copy machine --

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: mlm2@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark Lee Margolis)
Subject: Anyone need Supra ROMS?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:40:53 GMT

I sold my Supra modem about 8 weeks ago, just after I got the free Supra 
ROM upgrade. However, Supra was kind enough to send me another free ROM
upgrade kit. This is the non-caller ID upgrade. I have no use for it. 
The first person who sends me EMAIL requesting it can have it. (I figure
shipping it is about $1, which is hardly worth making someone pay for it.)
Well, if you HAVE NOT  ordered a free ROM upgrade from Supra and you want 
this, I'll just give it to you. If you HAVE ordered one, let someone who
hasn't get this (ie, don't reply).

- Mark

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From: ltt@etek.chalmers.se (Tomas Tengling)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: ZyXEL U1496E 5.03 ROMS?  What's included in them?
Keywords: zyxel
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:56:38 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden

In article <1992Nov21.184458.1447@icus.ICUS.COM> lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano) writes:
>
>I heard rumor (or maybe it's fact) that ZyXEL will be releasing the 5.03
>roms.  Do you know what is fixed?  What else will be enhanced (if
>anything?)  When it will be released and available for uucp/ftp, etc.
>

I don't know about 5.03, but 5.04 is available from a ftp site in Taiwan,
ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.17.5], which mirrors ZyXEL's BBS
(886-35-787045).  The ZyXEL files are also available from our ftp site,
ftp.cd.chalmers.se [129.16.79.20].



                    Firware V5.04 release note           11/13/1992
                   ----------------------------

   1. Add "COMMAND ECHO", "RESULT CODE", "DTE ASYNC SPEED"
      "PANEL LOCK" and LED status slection screen to LCD model.

   2. Add AT*I2 ( dumb mode ) command.

   3. If bit 2 of s44 is set, dial backup will not automatically start.
      When the leased line broken, modem will still trying leased line
      and shows "DIAL BACKUP ?" wait for someone to press a key to start
      dial backup. This modification for U-1496, U-1496R only.

      This will prevent useless dial-up connection when there is no data
      flow on the line.

   4. Capable to receive destructive break in V.42 bis now.

   5. Flow control can be recovered after return from online command mode.

   6. Modem will hangup correctly if the DTR and RTS drop at the same
      time.

   7. Correct compatibility problem with USR modem/fax.

   8. V.13 function is added. Bit #5 of s44 is used to enable this function.
      Default is 0 (disable).

   9. Can be used on hardwares with different transmission gain.

  10. Can detect short period busy tone in voice mode.

  11. Can catch caller ID without enlarge the gain of AGC amplifier.

  12. Reduce the click sound at the beggining and the ending of the voice
      mode operation.

  13. Bit #5 of s35 is used to provide 6 db attanuation of the transmiting
      power in leased line operation.

  14. For new zealand version, correct ring back to be detected as busy
      problem.

  15. Correct DIS pattern error (ECM bit is set) in fax mode.

  16. If bit 6 of s35 is set, all the "save" profile command need password
      checking. U-1496 "SAVE TO" option can not be changed either.


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From: jdesai@ilu.COM
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Opinions about ZOOM 14.4K FAX modem?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:52:10 GMT
Organization: ILU Computers
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdesai@ilu.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sundeck.east.sun.com
Keywords: FAX,MODEM,ZOOM

I recently bought a ZOOM 14.4k FAX modem with latest ROM etc. It has a one
month moneyback guaranty and I am having some trouble with sending/receiving FAXes
with FAXstf software on my Mac which came with the modem. The last page is either
not confirmed when receiving or sending. Sometimes, it just won't connect to
the other FAX machines.

In general the modem does look rather cheaply made. I would like to share
other people's experience with this modem - especially FAX features.

Any input/comments welcome. Sorry if this has been discussed recently.

---

Jatin Desai
____________________________________________________________________________
Email:	jdesai@ilu.com	or	Jatin.Desai@East.Sun.Com (current contract)
Phone:	(603) 595-4704	or	(617) 259-2056 		 (current contract)

Address:
ILU Computers
5-B Lampron Street 
Hudson, NH 03051
From: iczer@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ted Uhlemann)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: need cheap reliable 2400bps modems in quantity
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:05:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

I need to purchase around 15 cheap but reliable 2400bps modems.  I've
seen a Compudyne 2400 for around $70, but I'm not sure how stable it is.
These are going to be used for a commercial dialup service, so they MUST
work close to 100% of the time.

Any reccomendations?
From: EP.MXG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Maurice Green)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: INTEL vs. USR
Date: 21 Nov 1992 14:42:18 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Faced with a choice of what appears to be 2 GOOD modems, I would
like to solicit some help/advice/information to make a final
decision. I acquired an Intel SatisFAXtion/400 and have been quite
impressed by both the performance of the modem and the level of
technical support. Downloading a 750K file at 1700 cps was quite
impressive. The major thing that bothers me is investing $400 in a
modem that cant go anywhere except in my DOS box. I chose the 400
over the 400/e because of the added features and lower price. The
built-in scanner port is a nice way to save a slot, but I'll
probably run out of interrupts first.
On the other hand, as Tevye was heard to say, the USR Sportster
would give me a nice external portable modem, even though I hate the
ugly plastic box. And the cost of the Sportster combined with WinFax
Pro is not too different from the Intel.
What I really need is some good technical reasons to either relax
and be satisfied with what I have or pull the Intel card out and
exchange it for the Sportster....Would anyone care to add some
thoughts to help confuse me???
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Digicom Scout Plus and Downloading Problems
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.001314.16113@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:

$download using YMODEM-G/batch, it will start downloading for about 10
$seconds, then the status message bar in Qmodem will say:
$
$CRC ERROR IN BLOCK #num (num being something like 8 or 10 or 11)
$
$then it will say
$
$LOST INTERRUPT ERROR
$

[and some other crazy shit...]

This is a response to my own post, to yet you all know what's going
on.  This CRC ERROR business only occurs when I use the Ymodem G/batch
protocol.  If I use plain ymodem or ymodem 1k, then I get throughput
of about 83-85 percent efficiency on a 9600 baud line (What is usually
standard for ymodem 1k on a 9600 baud line)?

Also, what's standard throughput for Zmodem on a 9600 baud line?  I
know it depends on a lot of things, but I just wondered if anybody
knew exactly.

I'll be updatin ya...ADthanxVANCE.




-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: rene@hamel.uucp (Rene Mueller)
Subject: Re: OS/2 modem settings
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:31:59 GMT

|> >>try the comm-program provided with OS/2. If you prever a more Telix-like UI,
|> >>then try TE/2 available at hobbes.nmsu.edu. But - most important - get a
|> >>
|> >>Markus Volpers    Dep. of Zoology and Ecology, University of Cologne, Germany
I've tried to get this program many times, but I can't get a connection to
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (hobbes.nmsu.edu) :(
Is there any other site, where I can get this program?

	Rene
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re: Intel 400/e Limitations
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:46:14 GMT

tnixon@hayes.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.153539.29252@webo.dg.com>,
>x1sdup@esparc19.webo.dg.com (Stephen Dupre) writes: 
>
>> Just another note on the Intel 400.  It's generally solid but
>> with one drawback.  It won't connect over 2400 baud with a 
>> Telebit Trailblazer.  In my experience, the vendors we deal with
>> have Telebits (and their proprietary standard PEP). 
>
>It shouldn't even connect AT ALL to a "Trailblazer", since 
>Trailblazers had only DAMQAM/PEP.  You must actually be talking to a 
>Trailblazer Plus, which also has V.22bis.
>

I'm afraid that's not the case.  TrailBlazer modems supported Bell 212
and Bell 103 since they were first released (August 1985).  Both V.22
and V.22bis were added in version R2.0 (March 1986).  The most widely
used version of the TrailBlazer is the last one released, version
AA3.01-AB3.00 (October 1987), which added "spoofing" of UUCP-g, Kermit,
and X/Ymodem.


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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: TELEBIT Trailblazer Plus(Help??)
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:17:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.094517.412@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> kodagali@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>  I am a novice in the area of modems. I have a TELEBIT TrailBlazer Plus
>modem(model T2SAA).
>
>I usually dial in to my university which supports 9600 baud rate. But
>whenever I dial in I seem to connect at only 2400 baud! 

>In order to make a 9600 baud connection what values should these registers
>have?? I tried setting S50 = 255(FAST operation, PEP Mode), it does not 
>seem to make any difference.

A Trailblazer can connect at up to 2400 bps with any other modem.

A Trailblazer does not support V.32, which is the 9600 bps protocol.

With another Telebit product, it can connect using PEP, which is a
proprietary protocol. PEP isn't 9600 or 19200, it's PEP.
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Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:17190 comp.protocols.misc:851
From: tnixon@hayes.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: v42 / LAP-M specification
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:18:22 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <SOUVA.92Nov21185727@aibn58.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>,
souva@aibn58.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) writes: 

> Is it possible to spend some cpu cycles and use a plain 2400 baud
> modem in synchrounous mode with to talk to a V42[bis] modem?

Yes, certainly, although the number of CPU cycles it will take 
depends on how compliant you want to be with the spec.  It would be 
a lot easier, for example, to do software that only does LAPM as a 
call originator (leaving out non-error-control and MNP operation) 
than it would be to do a fully-compliant answerer application (with 
detection phase, feature negotiation, MNP, LAPM, and V.14 
non-error-control fallback operation).

> Where can I find the V42 (-bis) specification in an understandable
> version?

You can probably get them through the DBP FTZ in Darmstadt, or 
through the ITU bookstore in Geneva.  I don't know if the ITU's 
Teledoc document server yet has the full text of these standards or 
the ability to order and pay for them online.

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From: john.navas@uttsbbs.uucp (John Navas) 
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: RE: INTEL MODEMS
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.navas@uttsbbs.uucp (John Navas) 

hughesk@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Kirby W. Hughes) writes:

 JN> The speed difference with ZMODEM-90 (DSZ/DOS) and ZMODEM (Procomm
 JN> Plus for Windows) is around 50cps on ZIP(tm) file transfers at
 JN> 14400bps.  My system is a 486DX-25.  This is based on carefully
 JN> controlled and repeated tests with remote systems with
 JN> high-quality modems (Hayes and others) known to be configured
 JN> properly.

 > This could be one of those gre questions:  Based on the above info,
 > which is faster?
 > a) zmodem-90 (DSZ/DOS)
 > b) zmodem (procomm plus for windows)
 > c) the speeds are equal
 > d) cannot determine from the information given

Please give me a break and note that I wrote that my tests were
"carefully controlled".  Yes, ZMODEM-90 (DSZ/DOS) was a bit faster
than ZMODEM (Procomm Plus for Windows) on the same modem, just as
expected.  But the point of the tests was to compare the Intel
SatisFAXtion 400 to the USR Sportster 14400, and so I tested both
products in both environments.  In each environment the USR was faster
and by about the same amount, as I reported.

Best regards,
John

p.s.  As my late father used to say, "there are none so blind ..."
;-)
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Any Digicom Scout+ bugs?
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:14:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <1eflc8INN8ta@travis.csd.harris.com>, mikem@travis.csd.harris.com (Mike McCole) writes:
> As Wolfgang has said, Prodigy is selling Digicom Scout+ external
> modems, Prodigy calls them "Eagles".  They come with a 30 day money back
> guarentee for $199.00 U.S.  I haven't seen ANY bug reports about the
> Digicom Scout+, this seems too good to be true.  Before I buy one from
> Prodigy (I'm a member) I would like to know if anyone has had any trouble
> with the Scout+.  Does the fax work ok?  Does it have any supra like
> wierdnesses?  Does it do high speed connections well to other brand modems?
> Does it have any warts at all?


Well, it's not as fast as the Digicom 9624LE+.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: pchang@.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: vt330
Originator: pchang@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:45:00 GMT

Is there anyway to obtain vt330 terminal emulation in Pcplus 2.01?
there is a CAD program at school which i like to work on at home
but i cannot see the output since it displays under vt330 term emu.
I saw that there were patches available for pcplus.. anyone has one
that can add this feature to pcplus? or does that require another comm
program that supports that term? if so, does anyone know of any?

also, any thoughts on the practical peripherials 14.4e fax modem?

                                                                  
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From: d0bpl@dtek.chalmers.se (Patrik Larsson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Any Digicom Scout+ bugs?
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:08:07 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

mikem@travis.csd.harris.com (Mike McCole) writes:

>As Wolfgang has said, Prodigy is selling Digicom Scout+ external
>modems, Prodigy calls them "Eagles".  They come with a 30 day money back
>guarentee for $199.00 U.S.  I haven't seen ANY bug reports about the
>Digicom Scout+, this seems too good to be true.  Before I buy one from
>Prodigy (I'm a member) I would like to know if anyone has had any trouble
>with the Scout+.  Does the fax work ok?  Does it have any supra like
>wierdnesses?  Does it do high speed connections well to other brand modems?
>Does it have any warts at all?

   Well, they seem to have worked very well for people in the US. I bought
three modems from Wolfgang and none of them worked very well here in Sweden.
The problem was that they didn't connect 14400 when calling another V32bis.
It did work when someone called me though.

   Another problem was to connect at all to some 2400 modems.

   I have got two ROM-upgrades, but neither did any good.

   The fax-part worked very well.

   Anyway, if you have 30days money-back-gar., buy one and test it.

      // Patrik
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Compatability problem?  (Hayes V-Series & Intel Satisfaxtiob 400e)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 NOV 92 14:29:49 GMT

Here at my office we do daily file transfers (text files) with one of our 
clients.  They have one of the Hayes V-Series modems.  I don't remember which 
one, but it is a 9600 modem.  We have been using a 2400 modem that came with 
the computer, but decided to speed things up.  So, I went and bought an Intel 
SatisFaxtion 400e v32.bis 14.4.  I used the Intel to connect to my local 
Internet site at 14.4 with no problem, but whenever we connect with the client 
the connection drops to 2400 baud immediately.  I called intel, and they blame 
Hayes, saying that the V-Series modems aren't using the v32 standard.  

Now, my question.  Is there anyway at all to make these 2 modems connect at 
9600 baud, or did my company just blow $500 on a useless modem?
(Not really useless, we will be able to use it with other clients eventually, 
but that's not the point)

Thanks.

				Loren Finkelstein
				LFINKELSTEIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU