From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Indonesianized Computerese
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:54:14 GMT

andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono) writes:

>Yes, it would be easier, but we also can't ignore the gains of making
>English as a second language. The problem with some new Indonesian terms
>is that they don't translate directly to English, and some were adopted
>from Sanskrit rather than pure Indonesian.
>For example, it's clear that 'semantic netowrk' translates to
>'jaringan semantik' because of the word 'semantic -> semantik' in it.
>'graph' -> 'graf' is great.
>But 'signal to noise ratio' becoming 'nisbah isyarat-derau' is just
>downright unclear. 'bit-error rate' -> 'laju galat bit' ???

It depends. Remember "pakar", I never knew this word before, but know
it's popular and everybody understands it. I think the media plays
an important role. I've just learned new words "mangkus dan sangkil"... :-)

>But yes, it does make it a lot easier to write texts in pure Indonesian.
>Up until now people who write computer science related material
>in Indonesian would have to create their own Indonesian terminology
>to keep the text all-Indonesian. It keeps the *writing* easy,
>but unfortunately it does not help the *understanding* of the material.

Itulah salah satu alasan saya menanyakan penggunaan bahasa asing dalam
bahasa Indonesia. Perlu ada aturan yang mudah dan dapat diterapkan.
Jangan asal buat istilah sendiri-sendiri dan juga jangan asal 'comot' 
bahasa asing. Apabila ada istilah Indonesia yang lebih tepat dan enak, 
kenapa tidak kita gunakan ?

Mas Bambang pernah menghitung kata-kata asing (Inggris) yang digunakan
panelis dalam satu seminar. 

.... dapat di"predict" ....
... dengan meng"enable" ...

>IMHO it wouldn't hurt to just take the English terms and adapt
>it to the Indonesian spelling. That way people who reads English
>texts could relate to the material in the Indonesian one, and
>vice versa. It also helps the spread of English understanding.

Jadi anda mengusulkan untuk menggunakan istilah yang sama dengan
penyesuaian ejaan. Bagus. Saya rasa ini memang salah satu cara, 
tapi bukan satu-satunya cara lho.
Saya juga setuju dengan cara ini, apabila tidak ada istilah yang
lebih tepat dalam bahasa Indonesia. (Tapi juga jangan terus mengada-
ada mencari istilah yang aneh-aneh :-)

>As far as I know, English is a required language in the curriculum.

Mungkin betul, tapi jangan dilupakan bahasa lain seperti bahasa Jerman,
Belanda, Latin (?), dan bahasa lainnya.

...
>In my opinion, the best place to start teaching a second language is
>as early as possible, from elementary school, or even pre-school if
>possible. It helps you to 'think' in English, eliminating the need
>of having to translate everything through our head every time we
>hear the language.

How about other languages :-) ?  
I wish I can remember my Deutsch classes. Sprechen Sie Duetsch ?

>But to science texts, I would prefer adapted
>terminology rather than translated ones. It's just not right
>to make the path to understanding English more difficult by
>creating new unclear terminology.

To be frankly, I understand English textbooks rather than the 
translated one.  But I was lucky I can understand English, 
what about the rest of the country ? 
I used to think that translation is not necessary until I have to write
an article in bahasa Indonesia. Boy..., I was stuck. Lots of italic
words and I was tempted to write the whole thing in English.

When I was a young boy, I used to hate people who use English words
when they speak (give presentation, etc.). Sok ke-barat-baratan. Snob.
But now, I am doing it :-(    sigh....

salam,
-- budi
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Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
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