From: doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Is it the fault of those killed?
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:42:23 GMT


Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.

In article <29E7598A.1802@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
|> +to avoid prosecution of CCP. Those countries simply can not do much to
|> +protect those. During 1989, I believe lots people fled to Burma, Thialand
|> +through YunNa.
|> 
|> 	Be strong, man!  If you like to label yourself as a democracy FiGhtEr,
|>   	don't run away!!  Stay over there and change it to whatever you prefer!
|> 	

      Where were you on 6/4 1989, man? Were you FGNCing at that time?

|> 	From the strategy point of view, you should be able to protect yourself
|>   	if you want to make something happen.  Seeking protection from a third
|>  	party does not help your pursuance at all.

      According to you, the killing of innocent people by CCP is the fault
   of those killed?! According the same logic, those jew killed during WW II
   had their own fault -- they should protect themselves --, right?!

|> 
|> +    First of all, most of CSS does not have the power or influence to make
|> +something from the desasters in China. Only those in power, i.e. CCP high
|> +ranking officials, those donkey Scott apologize for, have the opportunities
|> +and will to FGNZ. I feel a little pity for this donkey: CCP don't even pay
|> +attention to his apologies.
|> 
|> 	Give me a brake!!  What we are talking about has nothing to do with
|> 	Scott Horne's any on-going relation with anyone, not excluding CCP,
|> 	Ok?  
|> 
|> 	Furthermore, Scott Horne's good doing does not reflect your bad doing, 
|> 	and vice versa.
|> 
|> +|> 
|> +|> <2. In China, people cannot pursue what they want by people themselves,
|> +|> <   because of CCP.  Hey!  In the US, there is no CCP in power, why don't
|> +|> <   they get green cards by themselves rather than thru "I don't like to
|> +|> <   go home, becasue those CCP guys will bet me".
|> +|> 
|> +|> _Tong4kuai_!
|> +
|> +    At the time CCP still arrests people simply because they attend someone's
|> +funeral, simply because they say something in public against CCP, simply
|> +because they believe in God and prey in family gathering instead of in churches
|> +controled by CCP, the fear of people is understandable.
|> 
|> 	1.  Is CCP constituted by non-Chinese people?  If all the CCP guys are
|> 	    Chinese, then, all you could say at most is: "we have a group of
|>    	    bad Chinese (i.e. CCP in your eye)".

      Is CCP good?

|> 
|> 	2.  I myself had been excercising my freedom of speech in Beijing for
|> 	    years and they never "simply arrest" me.  But I want to tell you, 
|> 	    some FUCKED-UP professors at my university (in Beijing) tried to 
|> 	    screw me very hard.  	

      When you exercise "freedom of speech", what did you say? Did you say
   CCP is a glorious party? Did you say I love CCP? Did you say those
   political prisoners jailed simply because of their own fault? Then
   CCP of course did not arrest you, instead, CCP should give you a medal
   or something.   


      Did you report some "FUCKED-UP" professors to you party boss?

|> 
|> +|> 
|> +|> <3. maybe CCP owe your parents something, but that's the deal between
|> +|> <   CCP and your parents.  The issue is: did YOU return what you owe
|> +|> <   to CCP as yet?
|> +|> 
|> +|> Good question, Shannon.  But you have to get even more basic than that.
|> +|> Past discussions on SCC have revealed that many SCCers *deny* owing anything
|> +|> to the CCP or their _tong2bao1men_ in China.
|> +
|> +    I deny chinese people owing anything to CCP!
|> 
|> 	Stick with the point!!  We are not generally talking about Chinese 
|> 	people but Chinese Students and/or Scholars!!

     Let's talk about you, how about you? Do you own CCP something? Oh,yes,
  maybe you still get salary from ..., maybe you are still writing report
  to ...  I simply guess.


|> 
|> +|> 
|> +|> <4. China become democratic first, or you go home to join the construction
|> +|> <   of a democratic system for China first?
|> +|> 
|> +|> Or would they stay here no matter what the political situation in China?
|> +
|> +    Most of chinese here do care about the political situation in China. 
|> +Only those CCP apologists don't care chinese people, because they simply
|> +support the CCP bloody regime.
|> 
|> 	To fix the Chinese problems, you need to go back to China; to
|> 	simply express your concerns on China, you don't have to go back.
|> 	But, don't use your "concerns" as an exchange for your green cards.

     I don't have green card, and I am going to back China. But certainly
   not because I own something to CCP. While I am here, I will continue
   to complain and express my concern on China, and do something about
   it -- fight for a democratic China, fight for the change of China.
 
|> 
|> +|> <5. These "6.4 green cards" shall be called as "red cards" becasue they
|> +|> <   reflect 6.4. victims' blood.
|> +|> 
|> +|> _Tong4kuai_ again!!!  Oh, by the way, Joel Kniaz, a KMT-backed rag called
|> +|> the _World Journal_ (_Shi4jie4 ri4bao4_) carries quite a lot of ads from
|> +|> lawyers in the New York area offering _liu4 si4 gong1ka3_--*literally*
|> +|> `June 4 green cards'.  I think that term is quite apropos.
|> +|> 
|> +|> They've gone from "iron rice bowl" (_tie3 fan4wanr3_) to "blood-filled bun"
|> +|> (_xue3 man2tou_).
|> +
|> +   A fundamental question: Who killed those demonstrated in TAM? Who?
|> +Chinese students here? or CCP in Beijing? Is CCP ( by the way donkey
|> +Scott always apologizes for ) order the killing of thousands in 1989?
|> 
|> 	You students caused the killing!! You did not give them any additional
|> 	choice!


     No wonder! CCP kills student because CCP has to, because students does
   /did not give CCP a choice. Is this the basic theory of CCP apologists??


     
|> 
|> shannon
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