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From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Too Many NO's at Daycare
Date: 2 Oct 1992 01:10:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: legitimate concern, IMHO

In article <1992Oct1.172030.11072@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
>
>When you work and use daycare you have to come to grips with the fact that
>they are not you and will do things differently.  I think that the woman has 
>the right to keep the noise down to a minimum and if she lets your son bang
>on things she has to let them all do it.  One kid is very different from a
>bunch of them.  He may not be loud but I bet the 3 yo would be.  As long as
>your son is safe and well cared for I think you have a good situation.  Mary
>Poppins doesn't exist.  
>[...]

I probably have no right entering into this discussion, as I'm an
at-home parent, but I think the woman who posted the original article
has a legitimate concern about her caregiver's general attitude.  
What's wrong with asking about whether the atmosphere at the
caregiver's house is potentially harmful to her child's self-esteem
and joie de vivre?  Are one's concerns only legitimate if they
speak to the child's safety?  What a sad state that would be.
Surely, the child's health and safety should be the number one
priority, but what about the child's emotional and mental
well-being?  At 10 months, it's entirely natural for a baby to bang
on things, and I would hope that a good caregiver would recognize
that fact.  Trading a baby's quest for exploration for some peace
and quiet is highly questionable, IMNSHO.  And, I would also think
that caregivers could have different rules for different aged kids.
After all, parents don't expect good table manners from their 1-year
olds but (most :-0) expect them from their 10 year olds.  

How one construes "well cared for" varies greatly, I suppose.  But
if I had to rely on a caregiver for my son, I would most certainly
consider how he or she handled discipline issues to be an integral 
piece of the puzzle.  Finally, the fact that the caregiver in question
spanks her 3-year old child when "reasoning" doesn't work would
raise a definite red flag for me.  Mary Poppins might not exist, but
does that mean parents shouldn't expect more from their caregivers
than handing over their charges in one piece at the end of the day?
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 22 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: Experiments
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:14:37 GMT

From article <5595@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com>, by celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell):
> 
	[ stuff deleted.....]

> 2) Measuring - we measure almost everything :-)  This morning it was
> fingers - base to tip of thumb is shorter than base to tip of
> pointer finger. This summer when Beth was having trouble in a
> swimming class doing 30 feet in a specific stroke, a friend
> suggested measuring off 30 feet on the ground and then having dad
> (can be anyone with a long stride) pace off 10 paces (about the same
> as the 30 feet) and then have child pace off 10 steps and compare.
> That one also helps you understand why they are tired when you've
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> walked the same distance. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> celia
>  

OK, now explain how come I'm tired after walking the same distance
as my 3 year old who is not (tired)?

Jeff Martin
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.145251.13425@sq.com>, barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes...
>>In a recent misc.kids article, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) wrote:
>>>
>>>Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?
>>>
>For me it was four years ago when we watched my wonderful mother-in-law die
>day-by-day and then handled (my husband is the only child) all of the funeral
>arrangements....choosing coffins, clothing, service, etc.  We dealt with
>anger, sorrow, fatique....and the dawning realization that we were the "next"
>generation.  Up until that moment....whenever (very rarely thank God) there
>was a death in the family...our parents would handle everything.  With the
>death of a parent you realize you're up next.
> 
>Sorry, for the depressing Monday addition to the "grown-up" experiences.
>But that was it for me.
> 

Well, similar thing here. When my mother died suddenly, just 6 months after
watching my father-in-law die, I realized we were next in line. But,
on the up side, it was also the time I realized that I wanted to
have kids.
                          Patti Twigg
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:33 PDT
Subject: Re: No Santa Claus ???
Nf-ID: #R:9209211945.AA00500@panhed.psc.ed:-1124946281:cdp:1427100036:000:611
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Sep 28 21:33:00 1992


We were "lied" to in the sense that there were always
presents and stockings from Santa.  But I am certain
that my parents never lied to me when I came asking
for the truth - it wasn't the kind of thing they would
do.  Actually, I can't remember believing in Santa
Claus, but I do remember knowing full well that it
was pretense and enjoying the pretense all the same
(I assume there was some time when I was young enough
to believe - even if there is no great effort at concealing
the truth, there is probably some age when children
haven't yet understood what is true and what is pretending).

Lynn Gazis-Sax

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage")
Subject: Games they play .....
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 05 Oct 92 16:02:27 EST

Subject: Games they play at 13
Hello! My daughter (13) and her friends like to play with a Ouiga (??? spelling
) board...at least that is how it started. Now they like brewing potions ma
de out of dried oak-leaves and water (don't ask me...) to condemn and curse som
e people they do not like and probably their English teacher, too. However,
even though I tell Jess that these boards are all just made for playing she, of
course, insists she has made contact with another kid in another world, and to
top it off...last time when we had a power-outage a few weeks ago she completel
y freaked out and told me that this was the kid and he is mad at her and so for
th. I really try first to be very scientific, and also mothering, understanding
and very very patient... This has been going on for about 8 months and I am
asking anyone who would reply with the answer 'IT IS ONLY A PHASE' to also let
me know how long we have to endure this... Otherwise she is very bright, has se
t high goals for herself this school year and is busy with her music (electric
base) and her friends and homework (believe it???).
She is our only child but...and this is what I still cannot believe....we are g
oing to have another baby in 4 months. (This will be another story in our house
hold...).
..by the way...we do not have one of these boards in the house. I am also not s
upersticious and also consider myself open-minded... I am sure these kids are p
retty curious too especially about subjects like: Life after death, Lucid dream
ing, Dream Analysis, Spirit Guides.... etc... but when they really get going it
 can be pretty out of control. And when they get scared (scare themselves that
is) it is a confirmation to them that something out of this world...something s
trange...is happening.
Thanks for reading this. Any similar experiences?
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 18:39:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     I guess I always took the rational view of things - having a certain
thing didn't make me grown up, but responsibility over others did - of
course, that implies that you can handle it well, which some people can't,
even at a ripe old age.  So, I figured I would be grown-up when I could
handle responsibility well.  I guess I figured adults who are arrogant,
pompous, or belittling when in positions of authority weren't grown, because
they were still immature. (I still feel that somewhat.)
     So, one time in 6th grade, our teacher had to take an emergency call,
and had to leave the room for a few minutes.  He told the messenger from the
office that he'd just have one of his students watch the class, and told us
to do some math homework.  He then put me in charge!  I didn't actually
*do* anything during this period of responsibility (one of the students
asked me a silly question, like what a dog divided by a cat was - I said
something like: "a mess", which sounds just like what my teacher would have
said), but I was grinning ear to ear the rest of the day.  The fact that I
didn't do anything bad, or cause any disasters sealed it - I was grown up!
     (I actually did teach a few classes as a result of being in National
Honor Society one day.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:31:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.204042.10140@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
> 
> (But since I was a latch-key kid, I suspect they did not know that
> I used to come home from school and watch 2 hours of Star Trek every
> afternoon.)
> 
Did anyone else race home to catch Dark Shadows?
For reasons that baffle me now, I used to
have a crush on Jonathon Frid (probably the oldest
love interest featured in 16 Magazine, where most
of the featured boys were remarkably unisexual 
in appearance)
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Playground rubber mat?
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 18:40:39 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

mma@bellcore.com (Mary M. Lau) writes:

> I am looking for soft and durable to put under
> my daughter's outdoor swing set.  I vaguely
> remember someone posting a question on getting
> the black rubber-like mats a while back but I 
> don't recall seeing an answer.  Can someone
> please post the information again?
> 
> I would be interested in other alternatives
> (we had already eliminate using pebbles and 
> sand).

I don't know about rubber mats; that'd seem expensive if you put
down an adequate layer, and not real durable if they were 
relatively spongey.

An article I read recommended a 6" layer of pine bark nuggets.
Apparently, those resist compaction, and have a fair amount of
resiliance, while not breaking the bank.

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:15:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.154926.12121@news.acns.nwu.edu> learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk) writes:
>You stand with a small group of people who are capable of denying almost
>anything as it is well understood and adequately demonstrated that ADD is 
>one of a family of conditions which is closely coupled to neurotransmitter 
>balances. 

(!!)

Whatever the causes of ADD will be shown to be, at present they are not well
understood or absolutely demonstrated.  The diagnosis is purely based on
empirical observation, and any role of neurotransmitters in the syndrome
is purely speculative.

Drugs like dextroamphetamine and Ritalin have a generic effect in improving
attention; they are not specific for kids with ADD.  It's just that the
effect is much more dramatic in those individuals.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: bobbi@sol.nwc.navy.mil (Bobbi Dunfee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: HELP, Need Temp OB in DFW
Keywords: OB temporary 24-hour service
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:59:40 GMT
Reply-To: user@machine.domain
Organization: $ORGANIZATION

I will be in Dallas (Park Central area) on business from 4-8 October.

Because I am 6 months pregnant with twins, I would like the number
and names of an ob practice with 24-hour on-call service just in case 
something should happen.  (Though all indications are that everything
is going great).

If you can help, please e-mail me @ bobbi@sol.nwc.navy.mil.

-- 
Thanks,

Bobbi Dunfee
Mom to Mikayla (4YO) and twins coming December 92.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:52:18 GMT

In article <GeraldR.88.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes:
>My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
>think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.
>
>I don't remember ever wanting this. Do other children like it?  

[stuff deleted]

How about adults?  One of my warmest childhood memories is of my parents
softly rubbing my back, and I still can't think of anything that is more
soothing and relaxing.  They didn't do it routinely, but if I was crying or
upset, a little cuddling followed by a back rub calmed me right down, and
it still does.  So I see nothing strange about liking it at 9.  Everyone has
different things that calm them - your child seems to understand hers.



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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:39:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct6.033927.12475
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <aidler.718329845@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>In the past year in B.C. we have endured strikes by school teachers,
>nurses, doctors, and hospital workers all claiming to be acting
>in "our" (the public's) interest.
>As soon as the government found some more money for them (except
>the doctors who still haven't settled), they decided the "system"
>was all better.

Thanks for sharing.  I don't see what the peculiarities of the BC public
sector has to do with the effective treatment of ADD.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:27:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct5.152732.14450
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct5.114848.1596@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>The Feingold diet and other diets have no effect on behavior, just as
>>caffeine has no
>
>	Come to my house.
>
>	Do you have 1st hand experience?  Did you read the letter I
>	posted?  Do you think that I am lying?

Of course you're not lying.  Being convinced of a phenomenon when there's
actually nothing going on there isn't lying, it's human nature.  Every kind
of whacko diet claimed to be of use in ADD, when it's been looked at in
controlled studies, and in objective ratings of child behavior, has been
shown to be no more effective than an equivalent sham therapy.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.153214.25705@newstand.syr.edu>
kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>seems that the offending statement about math class is only *one* of about
                                                             ^^^^^
>*200* possible things that the Barbies can say.  Apparently each Barbie is
 ^^^^^
>randomly programmed with four of those 200 possible phrases and even the
                          ^^^^          ^^^
>people at Mattel don't know which ones say what.
>
>So what are some of the other possible sayings?  Well one was "Let's start a
>business."  Just as the kid has a 1:67 chance of getting the Barbie who
                                   ^^^^
It looks like Barbie isn't the only one who has trouble with math...

>Now after thinking about this a bit, I had to ask myself what the problem
>was here.  I mean, after all, kids *do* say "math class is hard."  What's

Some kids do, some (like me) don't.  Why should we discourage the don'ts?

>Have we reached a point where it is politically incorrect for any woman to
>admit that she's not perfect?  I surely hope not, but it looks like this
>entire Barbie flap has a lot to do with that.

No, we've reached the point where we realize it's bad to discourage
people from learning.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:48:17 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Can't resist...

When I was a child my dentist was "Dr. Kindness".  My optician was 
"I. Straine".

In the town where I now live there is a dentist called "Dr. Auw".
--
Hugh Osborne             |            Dept. of Informatics
                       -----          University of Nijmegen
                        /|\           The Netherlands
_______________________/___\_________ +31-(0)80-65.25.99
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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:50:24 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <aidler.718259472@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>
>The attention of people with an Attention Deficit 
>Disorder (ADD) is not triggered or maintained in the
>same manner as the majority of the population.
>There may be accompanying hyperactivity.
>
>The ADD behaviors are supposedly caused by a deficiency
>of inhibiting chemicals in the brain.  
>Because they react emotionally before thinking, ADD people 
>don't respond to traditional +/- reinforcement regimens.
>Ritalin acts to modulate this condition.
>Generally, as people mature their basal level of these
>inhibitors rises to bring them under control.
>

	How does everyone claim to be experts on what the
	Almighty doctors claim to not understand?


-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.175711.24303@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com>, pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> obviously picked up some other ideas.  Apparently she watched
>> the "Little Mermaid" at the school for she sometimes told us
>> about that story and asked us buy her that tape.  We have told
>> her many times that Ariel is not really a good girl because she
>> only wants to play but does not want to study and do some useful
>> things.  I guess we have yet to get our message across.
>> 

Have you seen "The Little Mermaid"?  I have, countless times.  Ariel
is interested in LEARNING, the most important thing in the world.  She
wants to know and experience the world above the sea.  She wants to
learn what makes a fire burn.  She wants to dance and walk on the sand.

Okay, so she falls in love, BIG DEAL.  She still wants to learn.

Why do you think Ariel does all that exploring in sunken ships, taking
artifacts and asking Scuttle what they are? She wants to KNOW!  She's
learning--exploring on her own, asking questions and geting answers.
Do you really think her prime motivation for going to see Ursula and
becoming a human is merely so she can be with her man?  Didn't yousee
how delighted she was when she explored the kingdom with Eric?  Didn't
you see the LEARNING she was doing, willingly?

You should get the tape and watch it with your daughter and take the opportunity
for BOTH of you to learn some things from Ariel, one of my son's heroines.

You really shouldn't put down a movie you haven't seen.  

I think Ariel is an excellent role model, if you ignore the fact that she's
16 years old (but that's ver old to a toddler).
 
Jennifer
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: maternity clothes...where to buy cheap...when...and what...
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:32:50 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> I was thinking I'd need 4-5 dresses to wear to work, 
> maternity-size underwear, a pair of expandable jeans and a few 
> big tops.  Any other suggestions?

Eventually you'll want nursing bras, I suspect.

Also, see if you can find nice maternity lingerie.  My wife has
actually thought of designing her own line of maternity nighgowns,
suitable for stores like Victoria's Secret -- thus far she hasn't
been able to find anything for the pregnant woman that didn't 
involve yards and yards of flannel.  Does anyone else know of this
sort of thing?

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:28:55 GMT

My first response to this post is, what is wrong with a bright girl/woman
being a wife and mother (and *only* a wife and mother)?  Why does a girl
these days *have* to grow up being pushed to have a good career?  One
of the (few) things I regret about my upbringing is that my parents
clearly decided I was bright and *had* to have a career ... sometimes
I would have preferred just being a kid :-(.

-- Misty
From: pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: YEA, Baby #3 ... Midwife Info
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:58:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA

In article <1992Oct02.234848.18919@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>
>And midwifes don't typically starve and dehydrate the poor woman for
>her entire labor either.  Talk about setting you up for intervention!

But if the labor turns out to be difficult or something unexpected
happens, it takes a real MD to handle the situation and save the
woman's life.  As to "starve" and "dehydrate", well, the real
doctors seek to minimize the risk of the worst case, instead of
looking to maximize the confort level of the average case.

Regards,
-- 
-- Publius
Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, all mine, mine alone.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles