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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: CIA Agent confesses to buying rifles
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:19:17 GMT

karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:

>In article <schuck.718340182@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>Retired CIA agent Robert Morrow claimed on "A Current Affair"
>>tonight that he bought the Mannlicher-Carcano rifles used
>>to assassinate JFK.
>>
>>He says he bought four 7.35mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifles
>>in July of 1963 from Sonny's Surplus under the impression they were to
>>be used to assassinate a South American dictator.

>There's only one problem with this story -- the assassination rifle
>was the 6.5mm version of the Mannlicher-Carcano, not the 7.35mm.

No. The rifle found on the 6th floor of the TSBD was a 6.5mm
rifle. Thats if you ignore the fact that the officers who found the
rifle said it was a Mauser.

The bullets that struck JFK and Connally may have been 6.5mm or they
may not have been. The 'magic' bullet was no more damged than a bullet
fired into a water tank. And like a bullet fired into a water tank it
had no blood on it. The fragments found in the Limousine also were
free of blood and brain tissue. That is extermely unlikely considering
all the nooks and crannies available.

There is *no* evidence either bullet ever entered a human being.

>Naturally, I won't even mention the well-documented paper trail that
>shows that Oswald purchased the actual assassination rifle by mail
>order from Klein's sporting goods through his PO box using the AJ
>Hidell alias.

Again, the rifle supposedly found on the 6th floor of the TSBD was a
6.5mm rifle. There is no proof it was fired that day. 

>If you're going to pass on a story like this, you ought to at least
>check it for basic plausibility first. 

Plausible? The fact that the rifles transported to Dalls were 7.35mm
does not rule them out as assassination rifles.

>Ditto if you're going to fabricate the story yourself.

Now you are accusing me of fabricating a story I saw on "A Current
Affair". Ha ha ha ha ha. If I was going to fabricate a story I would
claim to have seen it on a more reputable show.


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schuck@sfu.ca                                           Vote No on October 26th
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From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: It Was The Driver!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.181332.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cebp01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> THE DRIVER DID IT !!!!!!
> 
> 
> HONESTLY 
> 
> JUST WAIT AND SEE WHEN IT ALL COMES OUT!

Has anyone considered the fact that JFK's "assassination" was actually suicide? 
Since suicide would tarnish the President's reputation, the CIA had to make it
look like an assassination.
--Ray Cote
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: It Was The Driver!
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:23:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	cebp01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
	THE DRIVER DID IT !!!!!!
	HONESTLY 
	JUST WAIT AND SEE WHEN IT ALL COMES OUT!

... ah, another disciple of Bill Cooper!  All hail the high
priest of photographic fummery!  We should all adopt Bill's
motto:  "Get the cash."  Huzzah! :-)

Charles
From: gerry@keele.ac.uk (G.D.Pratt)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: BEST EVIDENCE - CST <--> EST time difference
Keywords: Best Evidence David Lifton
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England
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I've just finished reading the Lifton book BEST EVIDENCE which has
just become available here. When I was reading his stuff about what
time the autopsy started according to different witnesses I kept
thinking confusion was caused by the time difference. I believe
that Dallas was on CST and Wasington on EST - 1 hour difference?
Lifton was staying stuff like "X said it formally started at 8:17"
and "Y thought the first incision was at 7:17" - then uses this time
difference to support his pre-autopsy theory. Has this time CST <--> EST
difference ever been raised as an possible reason for these discrepences?

I'd read about Lifton's theories in other book and thought it sounded 
a bit wild but I was pretty impressed with his reasoning.
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From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: CONCERN WITH REAL ISSUES
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Distribution: world
Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.

In article <3371.193.uupcb@citylit.sac.ca.us>,
boyd.naron@citylit.sac.ca.us (Boyd Naron) writes:
|> 
|> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) wrote:
|> 
|> -> You can believe whatever you want -- it doesn't make any difference
|> -> to me or any one else. I will say, though, that if you are truly
|> -> concerned with governmental malfeasance, there are many real problems
|> -> much more worthy of your time than chasing conspiratorial illusions
|> -> in the JFK assassination. The bloated defense budget, the sustained
|> -> attack on the bill of rights and individual freedoms, the sorry
|> -> scandal that is US public education, etc. There are lots of
|> -> *present-day* authority figures much more deserving of public
|> -> challenge than the long-defunct Warren Commission.
|> 
|> Good grief Phil, your asking us to forego a "hobby" for a REAL JOB?  Get
|> a life! (-:  It's fun to speculate.  I don't expect to uncover the final
|> proof of a conspiracy to assassinate John Kennedy, but I do enjoy
|> discussing the inconsistencies of the evidence, witnesses, etc.
|> 


Exactly.  Besides, its not easy to stay paranoid.  That takes
cultivation.  Most conspiracies don't hold up well enough to serve as a
basis for sustained paranoia.  The JFK case is really special in that
way -- it lasts, and lasts, and lasts.

Paul Collacchi
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: It Was The Driver!
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:26:22 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <Hirsch#m#_Edward-151092084540@17.32.26.214>, Hirsch#m#_Edward@msgate.corp.apple.com (Ed Hirsch) writes:
|> In article <128450001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja
|> Sigurdsson) wrote:
|> > 
|> > 
|> > > THE DRIVER DID IT !!!!!!
|> 
|> Actually the driver was involved.  I you examine the Zapruder tapes, along
|> with syncronized audio, closely.  After the first shot is fired, the limo
|> driver hits the brakes and turn back to look at JFK.  He turns back around
|> and releases the brakes after he saw JFK hit in the head.
|> 
|> Also, the limo driver had never been to Dallas and was not familiar with
|> the area except he knew exactly how to get to Parkland Memorial.
|> 
|> I think he was involved.  Anyone else agree?!?!?

The driver may have been involved, but you assertion that knowing where
Parkland Hospital was is silly.  He had a police escort in front of him
and they all had radios.  Also, he would have known the route, and how 
to get to nearby emergency centers.  I'm sure he was much more prepared
than you give him credit for.  


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From: branom@milton.u.washington.edu (Mark Branom)
Subject: Re: CONCERN WITH REAL ISSUES
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:45:40 GMT

>karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) wrote:

>-> You can believe whatever you want -- it doesn't make any difference
>-> to me or any one else. I will say, though, that if you are truly
>-> concerned with governmental malfeasance, there are many real problems
>-> much more worthy of your time than chasing conspiratorial illusions
>-> in the JFK assassination. The bloated defense budget, the sustained
>-> attack on the bill of rights and individual freedoms, the sorry
>-> scandal that is US public education, etc. There are lots of
>-> *present-day* authority figures much more deserving of public
>-> challenge than the long-defunct Warren Commission.
  
What's the matter, Phil?  What are you trying to hide?  Is there something
you don't want us to find out?

-mark-
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:51:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Chip, when I posted my original response to you on the issue of
factual innacuracies in your characterization, I did not have 
the relevant quote at hand. I have now located it. It is from
the following message:

>From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism
>Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
>Date: Sat Aug 22 11:17:00 1992

and states:


>Both depend heavily on the intellectual ideas
>of Spengler (Decline of the West) and the false assertion that
>today's "Jews" are actually an Asiatic race called the Khazars who
>converted to Judaism and thus have no moral claim to the heritage
>of Biblical Jews.

The Liberty Lobby may well hold these views. What evidence do you
have that LaRouche holds them?

-Steve





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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Clinton in Moscow, why?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <7OCT199209145217@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER)) writes:
>Yesterday Bill Clinton admitted that in Jan of 1970 he visited Moscow, USSR.
>When asked why he maintained that he was there for sight seeing.  Yeah right,
>lots of folks used to go sight seeing in Moscow in the middle of the russian
>winter during the vietnam war.  In those days no one but state department
>officials visited the soviet union.  So what was Clinton doing there?

Bill Clinton was probably a CIA agent sent to assassinate Brezhnev and gain
intelligence on Soviet farming tractor technology.  :-)

Tourists did visit the Soviet Union during the Vietnam War... being that 
Vietnam wasn't officially a US/Soviet conflict.  22 years ago would also
put Clinton in his mid-twenties... he could easily have still been a student
at Oxford still (I don't know when he finished there) and visited for 
semi-educational/tourist reasons.


-- 
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 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
Date: 7 Oct 1992 08:11:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Chip, I'll repeat what I just wrote on the other thread. Please
document LaRouche's philosophical debt to Oswald Spengler, as
you alleged in your list of similarities with the Liberty Lobby.
-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:05:51 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

[Note: I am not Chip Berlet!  I am Chip Salzenberg!]

According to aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker):
>WHAT DOES LAROUCHE BELIEVE?

A person's actions can speak louder than words, sometimes.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Al Gores "scintific" proof
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:53:01 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <3V6gsB2w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
|> part 3 of 3 parts Al's easy answer
|>   After detailing similarly catastrophic threats to mankind's future because 
|> of deforestation, air and water polution, ozone depletion, and 
|> overpopulation. Gore offers his solution. Calling for a "Global Marshall 
|> PLan" and a "Strategic Environmental Initiative," he wants new taxes on 
|> oil,coal,minerals and wood, new global environmenta; regulations, enforced 
|> population stabilization, new environmental treaties, new ways to assess, 
|> technology's effect on the environment, a phaseout of the internal combustion 
|> engine, and a long list of other new governmntal powers. His plans would cost 
|> at least $100 Billion, seriously hamper industrial activity, and cost the 
|> jobs of hundreds of thousands.
|>     What Gore prescribes is a virtual totalitarian governmant. Yet his book 
|> carries some vivid descriptions of the environmental devastation produced 
|> under total government control in the former communist nations of Romania, 
|> Czechoslovakia, and Ukraine (remeber thisis where a nuclear power plant blew 
|> up?). He knows what total government did in that area of the world. Are we to 
|> belive that his type of total government would bring different results?
|>    Early in Earth In the Balance, Gore recalls pedling his environmental 
|> scare during his 1988 run for the presidency. He found next to no interest in 
|> it and turned instead to "a familiar list of waht the insiders agree are 
|> the'the issues."' He's correct about "the insiders" making such decisions. 
|> And he is  now riding the crest of a wave that intends to force more 
|> government on everyone, not through fear of communism, which we arre told is 
|> no longer a threat, but through false claims about environmental matters. Al 
|> Gore's extremism has gone from being outside the insider-approved issues to 
|> inside. Happily, many competent scientists are labelling his pitch a complee 
|> fraud.           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Name three Bill.  And ones that can't spell better than you don't
count!

Jared "Is someone burning BACON?" Dahl
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From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: eel skin wallets
    <1992Oct14.162011.14461@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:12:44 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:

> Another idea on this eelskin thing is that the plastic sliding in and
>out of the wallet causes an electrostatic effect. When you rub glass
>with silk it produces a charge. Might not the same thing apply?

I doubt it.  Any static effect would be far too weak to affect
a magnetic strip.

My understanding is that this was a phenomenon with eel-skin purses,
not wallets.  A certain manufacturer was using magnetic clasps on the
purses they made, which was capable of demagnetizing cards.

My wife has a purse with a magnetic clasp, though it's not eelskin.
-- 
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University of Kentucky                              +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics      I just thought of a neat disproof of
     Fermat's last theorem, but .signatures can only be four lines.
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From: magnus@nybark.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: "Normal" body temperature
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway
	<f9udjfn@Unify.Com>
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:57:26

In article <f9udjfn@Unify.Com> perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:

   I'm a sucker for running to good ol' "bc" when figures like this are quoted.

Chicken. "dc" is the math tool for men. 

   The above data translates into an absolute minimum of 43 years of solid
   armpit measuring (15 minutes per, 16 hours a day, 360 days a year).  Was there
   a team of dedicated experts sharing the work or was Wunderlich an unusually
   focused individual?

You are assuming that he has to hang around for the 15 minutes, which
of course he does not. If we assume that Mrs Wunderlich inserts the
thermometers in one end of the room, and then the test subjects wait
for 15 minutes before leaving and being read by Mr Wunderlich, it
would probably be possible to record 2 subjects each minute.

1000000 2 / 60 / 16 / 350 p

Which gives 1 because it's integer, the correct answer is closer to a
year and a half, which seems realistic enough.


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From: elf@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes)
Subject: Re: Speed of gravity
Summary: Let's say the sun vanished... 
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:47:04 GMT

ecc_jim@ecc.tased.edu.au writes:
[...]
>
>     [The following article is reprinted here by its author from the June
>issue of the Meta Research Bulletin.]
>     The question is often asked, "At what speed does the force of gravity
>propagate?"  To answer this question properly, one must  first define terms
>to insure that the question is well-formed.

[Meta-delete]

>     The best answer we can presently offer is that gravitational
>interactions occur without detectable delay.  Explanations offered  for that
>experimental fact are inevitably arguable.   Tom Van Flandern / Washington,
>DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us

So let's say that the sun vanished, I don't mean go nova, (yes I'm
aware of conservation of matter & all that jazz) would the earth fly
of on a tangent first or would we see the sun wink-out first ?

(I've only caught the back-end of this thread since our news-feed
broke recently & some articles may have been dropped, so I missed
the original question. I have a feeling, however, that someone is
going to request this thread now be moved to a sci-fi newsgroup :-)

--
luis fernandes  <elf@ee.ryerson.ca>
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From: lafollet@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Paul Lafollette)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:03:04 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Seanna Watson (seanna@bnr.ca) wrote:
: In article <Bvw53L.n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell) writes:
: >
: >But here's one I have wondered about for years now.  I have heard
: >nurses refer to a centimeter as a "SONtimeter", when talking.  And
: >the nurses I heard saying this probably didn't know each other, so
: >I doubt they got it from each other.  I don't think I ever saw them
: >try to spell it.  Has anyone else heard this?  Or better yet, does
: >anyone know of a possible source for this way of saying it?  How
: >do the French say it?-- 
: >                 
: I also have heard my Dr. use "SONtimetre", and wondered about it.
: This is similar to how it is pronounced in French, and there are a
: lot of Francophones in the Ottawa area, but my Dr. is not French
: himself, and I have never heard anyone else pronounce it this way.
: 
: -- 
: Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
: (seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
: 
Most of the physicians I graduated with say SONtimetre, probably 'cause
that is what our teachers said.  Why the medical profession has lit upon
this pronunciation I am not sure.  It may be that the medical folks
became metrified shortly after the development of the metric system
in France and just adopeted the pronunciation along with the
units of measure, but this hardly explains why we had to learn
such useful stuff as the number of minims in a dram, and how to draw
arcane symbols for ounces.
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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.005020.10624@ozrout.uucp> grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell) writes:
>John T Jensen writes:
>I have friends who call this "klicks" - "I was going seventy
>klicks". Where does this usage come from? It seems a pretty
>sensible one to me.

U.S. Army.  "Kilometer" was just too wordy.  Clicks (or klicks) fits
in more with the infantry idiom.

Bill
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From: peterd@polari.online.com
Subject: Weid uses of Duct Tape
Summary: sumwatery
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:42:20 GMT

The weird uses that people will put duct tape to.  The other
day my housemate repaired the heating ducts in the basement.

It was amazing - who would have thunk it.

:wq

look out for the segmentation fault!!!

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                       Will be President for Food.