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From: karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Troi's rank
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:19:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.193837.824@ab.wvnet.edu> mccartney_g@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>In article <935721205706@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>,BECKSA@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:

>> I think the idea of Troi's rank is that it was awarded for non-military type
>> service, ie. service to personnel and such.  (Probably also gives her the
>> ability to order a lower rank unfit for duty......)

>According to the official "Star Trek: The Next Generation Officer's Manual",
>ship counselors (most of which are Betazoid) are given the rank of Lt.
>Commander.  I believe that this rank is honorary and somewhat permanent.  In
>other words, I do not think that it would be possible for ship counselors to
>promoted to higher ranks, such as commander or captain, under normal
>circumstances.  The blue color of the uniform probably denotes a medical
>position, although blue also stands for support personel. 

PEOPLE!!!  Troi has a uniform.  Troi has a rank.  She is a comissioned officer
pursuing a career in starfleet.  There is nothing honorary about it.  Haven't
you ever seen M*A*S*H?  There *are* doctors in the military. It's not new news.
And whatever service a doctor performs while serving is military service by
definition.  You don't have to shoot people to be legitimate; you just get
a commission and a uniform and are assigned a job to do. And if you do it well,
eventually you get promoted.  If Troi ever did well enough to become the chief
counsellor for all of starfleet, she'd have a rank significantly higher than 
Lt. Commander.

This is simple, obvious stuff folks!  So let's drop it and get on with the 
creative stuff, which is the purpose of this group, OK?  Oh, and I don't care
what you can quote from what episode because if you haven't noticed, Star Trek
often contradicts itself from story to story if it's convenient.  (Like 
O'Brien's rank.)  It's been that way ever since back in TOS.  So why are we 
wasting time arguing contradictory cannon that doesn't even belong in this 
group?

I loved the latest Vigilante and Delphi stuff.  Compliments to the authors.

When are we going to get more Star Trek: The Third Generation???

Karina



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From: gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott)
Subject: Re: The Last Word On O'Brien's rank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:18:29 GMT

Shawn Urbanavage (urbanas@reis54.alleg.edu) wrote:

: To all those who are involved in the heated debate about O'Brien's rank:

: 	I recently read an article in r.a.s.c that stated from a very  
: reliable source, information accumulated from several episodes, and  
: contact with Paramount that Miles O'Brien is a Chief Petty Officer.  This  
: information is real, valid, and inarguable.

Unfortunately, it is also wrong.  As of the premier of Deep Space 9, O'Brien
is an Ensign.  I can't figure out why he's wearing a single hollow pip, though.

: 	I hope that this post will dicourage anymore discussion of this  
: topic and allow the majority of human specimens who have been taking their  
: time to engage in this endeavor will now go forth and do something  
: CREATIVE!!!!!!!

I doubt it will discourage anything.  If anything, it only adds more fuel to
the fire.

I've redirected followups to this thread to rec.arts.startrek.misc.  At least,
I think I did.

Glenn
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From: jhines@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Joseph Hines)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Grey Poupon
Summary: This would be neat
Keywords: Grey Poupon Star Trek Commercial
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:26:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

My girlfriend (giving credit...) and her best friend came up with this great idea...

Scene  some location in outer space.

Action

Enterprise is on a standard mission to some unknown world.

A Romulan war bird uncloaks behind them

at an interstellar stop light the Romulan War Bird pull up next to the Enterprise

Crew member of enterprise:  "Captian we are being hailed by the romulan war bird"

Captain:  "Open a channel,  This is Jean Luc Picard of the starship Enterprise
		What are you doing in this unauthorized sector?"

Pause...

Romulan captain:  "Ahh Jean Luc   I have waited for this moment...Pardon Me 
			would you happen to have any grey poupon?"

Jean Luc (sp?):  "But or course"




I think that would be really cool and just in case somebody on this news group can get it done...    Copyright Liz Kopecky and Belinda Johnson 1992

Joseph J. Hines

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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!waden@cactus.org (Wade Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Trek No Moral Values?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:50:39 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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"Rush would blast Picard & others for being agnostics with no
Judeo-Crhirtian centered moral or ethical values whatsoever?

Hmm.

It was Kirk that was always sleeping around.  I see1701-D
as ACTING in a much more "Christian" manner, although they
verbally are very "humanistic".  Did you see the "Free Enquiry"
article on "Secular Humanism on STTNG?"  

I've tried tostart some "flaming" on this issue.   I mean, no one on
1701-D ever OUTWARDLY prays, worships, ... yet they seem to
ACT in a very life-valuing (love, agape) manner towards all
sorts of creatures...

What actions do you refer to when you say they have no values.

I have seen them "destroy" lesser cultures seemingly "false"
beliefs in a god  (including Picard), suggesting "religion" mgiht be
something for those "less"  enlightened.  

Someone here in Austin, through UT, is holding a extension class on
"The Philosophy of Star Trek".  Hmm

Comments?  It DOES seem to me as if ST-TNG Implies God is no longer
needed in the 24th century, that science, intelligence, compassion &
technology can "feed everyone, eliminate disease, ...

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From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: You asked for it! Here is the ST/RR story...
 <1993Jan20.004304.6979@news.columbia.edu>

In article <1993Jan20.004304.6979@news.columbia.edu>,
krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Rim) says:

>Good story.  However one critism.  I find it very unrealistic that
>the crew of the enterprise in their considered "enlightened" culture
>would attempt to harm or fire phasers! at this harmless creature.

Very true, good point. However, the rest of the story was -very- realistic...

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From: mlandaue@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael C Landauer)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Troi's rank
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:49:32 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Umm... this doesn't belong in a.s.c.  This should be discussed in
rec.arts.startrek.misc.  BTW, this has already been fully discussed over
and over again in r.a.s.m.

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From: weed-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Weed)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: The two battlestar Galactica stories
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:55:45 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In rec.arts.startrek.tech, someone asked about any "credibly written" 
pieces about what might happen if The Enterprise met forces 
of the Galactacan Universe.
As I remember, there are two *very* well written stories about this,
one somewhat religious, both of which I think the net should see.
I do not have them, and if someone does, could you either mail them to me, or repost them directly.
Thanks.


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From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Help
Summary: Help
Keywords: Help
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:37:23 GMT

I'm in a bit of a bind and I need some help.
I need to hear from 2 people who have read the graphic novel by DC
comics "Debt Of Honor" to mull over the possibilty of a story along
similar lines.
Responses much appreciated.
Anestis

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From: ccartwri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine A Cartwright)
Subject: The Next Phase & an Idea
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:14:13 GMT

Being very new at this, I am really, really sorry if this has been
hashed out three hundred times already, but I am dieing to know -

In the episode, The Next Phase -  of TNG - where Jordi and Ro were
cloked:

Why didn't they fall through the floor?  After all, they could go through
bulkheads.  How could they sit in the shuttel, how could Jordi sit on
the transporter platform, and how could Ro touch her station?  Also,
at the end, when they set the disrupter to explode, what good would it
do them to hide behind the furniture?

Believe it or not, except for the above small detail, I liked the
episode.

Now, my idea.
In the two part episode about a possible Klingon civil war, Data
got his first command.  The officer under him, who did not appliciate
that position, said that there were some positions that some were
just not suited for.  His example - a Klingon counselor.

This just begs other ideas! (if it's been done, sorry)

How about a Klingon Kindergarden teacher (I'm sure the Enterprise
has one of those).

     "You WILL take your nap, NOW!"

A Ferengi chaplin. . .

     "Let's see, the going price for a soul. . ."

Anyone else?

Catherine
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From: an1252@anon.penet.fi (Gabriel Stevens)
Subject: Re: Troi's rank
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.startrek.creative
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:18:16 GMT

In article <C184L6.Apw@acsu.buffalo.edu> you write:
>From: sguzdek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sandra Guzdek)
>Subject: Re: Troi's rank
>Date: 21 Jan 93 21:50:00 GMT
>In article <935721205706@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, BECKSA@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes...
>>==============================================================================
>> I think the idea of Troi's rank is that it was awarded for non-military type
>>service, ie. service to personnel and such.  (Probably also gives her the
>>ability to order a lower rank unfit for duty......)
>> 
>>Sally
>
>oh no not this debate again!!! :)
>
>actually, she did take control of the big E on the episode "Disaster".
>(granted, no higher ranking officer was on the bridge... :) She's a 
>Lt.-Cmdr., no? But, not the same type of Lt.-Cmdr. that, say, worf is.
>if she did wear a real uniform consistantly, it would be blue 
>("Future Imperfect", "Chain of Command"). so she's really included in 
>the medical department. i don't know if that constitutes non-military 
>action, i just don't know enough about the rank and file system of 
>military institutions. (this is not a disagreement. i don't know what it 
>is. :)
>
>i don't think any one will ever know the answer to this burning trek 
>question!
>
>all in fun,
>
>Sandra Guzdek - User Liaison            sguzdek@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
>Academic Services, Computing & Information Technology
>University at Buffalo; 215 Computing Center
>Buffalo, New York 14260-1400                    phone: (716)645-3540


Actually Worf is a Lt.  not a Lt. Commander.  You must be thinking of Data.
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From: death@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de ()
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Sky One and The N. G.
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:58:01 GMT
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	Hello


	I watched "The Next Generation" on Sky one. They transmitted
	up to the first episode of the 4th season, and now they seam 
	to start from the beginning. (Farpoint Station)

	Now my question !
	Did someone now if Sky One will broadcast the rest of 
	"The N. G." (season 4th and 5th).
	If you now that please mail me the beginning date of the 
	transmision.


	By Markus

	e-mail to death@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
From: jfy@cis.ksu.edu (Joseph F. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: who can post?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:27:05 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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cocking@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Cara Cocking) writes:


> Can anyone post a story here?  
> Are there rules for stories or any restrictions or anything?
> I have a ST:TNG parody that I wrote and thought I might post.

>Cara
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>                           | you can do it again tomorrow. 

The article "What is alt.startrek.creative?" describes what this
newsgroup is about.  

Basically, if you have a story, parody, or whatever to post, please post it.
That's the essence of this group.
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Xref: sparky alt.startrek.creative:3130 rec.arts.startrek.misc:14295
From: guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: The Definitive STAR TREK Parody Chapter 15 (DS9)
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:15:17 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada


                     The Definitive STAR TREK Parody

                                Chapter 15

                                Holocaust

It was just like Setlik 3, O'Brien thought.  The Cardassians had no 
respect for human lives, let alone Bajoran lives.

"Life signs?" Sulu asks.

"None" is the reply.

O'Brien can't accept this.  "Captain, I have to see for myself."

Sulu nods.  "You can join the away team."


O'Brien, the Security Chief and Chief Medical Officer from the Excelsior
beam down to Deep Space Nine Central Command.  O'Brien sees Lieutenant 
Dax, Major Kira and Commander Sisko, all dead.  He mourns for them, more
than he would have expected even, but there'sd his family to consider.
"Let's go," he says.

They make their way down to the promenade.  "Is there no one alive?" 
O'Brien asks.

The doctor raises his tricorder.  "There's something alive here," he 
says.

"That would be me" is the reply.  It's Odo.

O'Brien steps forward.  "Odo, what happened here?"

Odo grimaces.  "The Cardassians weren't happy after their space station 
was destroyed.  They sought revenge against every last woman and child 
here."

O'Brien shakes his head.  It had been a nightmare: the Cardassian 
attack, the Excelsior reappearing after seventy years, the encounter 
with the Borg and now ... this.  "Are there any other survivors?"

Odo shakes his head.

O'Brien has to see for himself.  "I'm going to my quarters."  He leaves 
his companions behind.


Upon reaching his quarters, O'Brien's worst fear is confirmed.  The 
Cardassians didn't even see fit to allow the smallest of child to 
survive the massacre.

"Why?" O'Brien asks.

"Indeed, their behaviour is most illogical."

O'Brien turns to face the person who spoke: "Ambassador Spock?!"

NEXT: "Answers"

Martin Phipps
SCAVIE AWARD WINNER
LOULA@hep.physics.mcgill.ca

PS: thanks go to Hugh Johnson for answering my "Wounded" question.
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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: You asked for it! Here is the ST/RR story...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:54:53 GMT

In article <93022.011758KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:17:58 EST
>From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
>Subject: Re: You asked for it! Here is the ST/RR story...
>In article <1993Jan20.004304.6979@news.columbia.edu>,
>krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Rim) says:
>
>>Good story.  However one critism.  I find it very unrealistic that
>>the crew of the enterprise in their considered "enlightened" culture
>>would attempt to harm or fire phasers! at this harmless creature.
>
>Very true, good point. However, the rest of the story was -very- realistic...
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Aaaaawwww. I missed it. 

Repost?

please...


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From: domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kane)
Subject: Re: Plot for new DS9 episode.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:53:15 GMT

Actually...

Although the post was offered in jest, it would be a really good
episode idea...

The problem (obviously) with introducing a Borg ship into the
Deep Space Nine environment would be its futility.  The station
really shouldn't under any circumstances be able to take on 
such a menace.

BUT if a Borg scout (5 crewmen) or even a single 'assimilator'
unit (possibly a 'heavy duty' Borg or universal soldier-type)
were to be sent off to investigate the station (it is, after all,
on the fringe of Federation space), that could make for a pretty
good and believable scenario.

Perhaps the scout might call a larger Borg counterpart to 
investigate NOT the station, but the wormhole;  I wonder who
would be assimilated by whom in that event?  Be kinda neat to see.

Just a few thoughts.  I really do think the Borg shouldn't be
overused, but this idea is actually really acceptable.

Perhaps I'll reroute a script to this endeavor... I'm pretty
sure I could generate a pretty good one after seeing a few more
episodes (this isn't saying anything about my ability, just that
I think I could produce something in the same flavor as the
DS9 episodes released to date).

Let me know what you people all think about this.

Email/postings both welcome.

___________________________________________

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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Rush and Trek
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:57:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.153323.19580@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
>Subject: Rush and Trek
>Date: 20 Jan 93 20:33:22 GMT
>Here's a story idea, if anybody wants to pursue it further?
>Rush Limbaugh visits the Enterprise.  What would happen?

I'm really sorry for asking this, but who _is_ Rush Limbaugh?


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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!waden@cactus.org (Wade Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Last Star Trek TNG Episode
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:14:50 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Scene:  The Enterprise is seen surrounded by Romulan vessels.  All at once
they open fire, and the Enterprise is demolished.

Picard:  "Thats quite enough", getting up from from a video game in an
arcade, wearing civilian clothes.  On the screen we see the exploding
Enterprise and a message which says:

"    INSERT TWO QUARTERS TO CONTINUE   9...8...7...6"

As the actor who has so faithfully portrayed Picard exits the arcade,
we see Q, arms folded, and hear him say

"Quite Right"

At which point both Picard and the Arcade vanish, and we see the
actor who has so faithfully portrayed Q exiting the Paramount studio.

Outside, we see William shatner, unshaven and bedraggled, standing on
a corner with a cardboard sign which reads:

"Will act for $."

"Q" walks by Shatner and says

"Get a life"


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Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 10:24:23 EST
From: Captain <X25KB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Criticism & RR

to every one(especially Rick and Russ):

   I had no idea that such a liitle thing could create such a stir.  I just
wanted something better to read than ST:the degredation stories.  I like them
bu jeez, lets see some classic stuff.  By the way--if any of you feel like
going to the bookstore, all the classic episodes have been relaeased in a 3
book set.  You have to bear in mind that they are written from the scripts, so
certain things are different, but they are damn good.


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