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From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Garage Sale
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:22:33 GMT


************************Garage Sale****************************

        9:00AM - 4:00PM on Friday 7/31 and Saturday, 8/1

    Crib, changing table, Infant Carrier/Swing, High Chair
    Girl's toddler clothing
    Nishiki 12 speed bicycle.
    Miscellaneous books.
    
    3230 226th PL SW
    Brier, WA
    
    Directions:

    I-5 to Montlake Terrace Exit (236th)
    East on 236th to 44th Ave (aka Cedar)
    North to 228th St SW
    East to 32 Ave W
    North to 226th PL SW
    West to 4th house on left
    
	-OR-

    405 to Bothell-Everett Highway
    Bothell-Everett Highway to 228th St SW
    East on 228th St SW to Locust (T-Intersection) Turn left
    South on Locust to next right onto Barker
    West on Barker to stop sign, bear left onto Atlas
    West on Atlas to stop sign, bear left onto 228th St SW
    West on 228th St SW past Brier Rd to 32nd Ave W
    North to 226th PL SW
    West to 4th house on left
-- 
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 This message is protected under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution
 of the United States of America. I'm protected under the 4th, 5th and
 9th Amendments among others, or at least I used to be.
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Yet another difference between Switzerland and the US
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:49:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul20.052657.730@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>In <1992Jul20.022425.26144@polari> jsanchez@polari.online.com writes:
>
>>Actually, the Belgian chocolate is MUCH better than the Swiss (IMHO) and I
>>ate a bunch of both while living there.  The stuff you get here (Belgian
>>anyway) is a pale imitation of the real stuff.
>
>I'd agree that Belgian chocolate is right up there -- they're both so good



I don't know what everyone is raving about re: chocolate made in Europe.
There is a candy factory in Issaquah that turns out a pretty fine bit
of convection that tastes so good they charge 'bout $25.00-30.00 per lb.
I think a  6 oz. box was $12.00.  Sorry I can't remember the name of the
establishment.




-- 

Robert Sipe                       Tell your state reps "NO" to the proposed
robs@bcstec.boeing.com            $.25 gax tax increase proposal. 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:48:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.170938.3155@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.160346.29763@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:
>As far as "gang" goes, that's just a pejorative name for a group of people
>you don't like, cf. "gang of 4".

Not to me.  A gang is a group of people engaged in criminal activity.

>>>Perhaps the right to bear a handgun might be a matter to be put before the
>>>electorate: shall Jo Doaks be permitted to carry concealed handweapons? --
>>>where Jo Doaks would "run" (i. e. conduct a campaign, as it were, to convince
>>>the populace that they should carry a weapon) for the "privelege".
>>>Or it might be an adult rite of passage, a la Heinlein's stories.
>>
>>Perhaps free speech should be the same.
>
>Sorry, there's a catch-22 in your proposal.  If one's right to free speech
>is contingent upon convincing the electorate to grant it, then there's no
>legal way for somebody to campaign effectively.

Ok.  We'll just have a waiting period.  You can express yourself freely
but first we will review what you wish to say.  Three days to make
sure you are not using hate language or expressing yourself in a politically
incorrect fashion.  We must protect society from wrong thinking.  :-)
>
>
>Are you willing to trade me the right to ingest, trade, synthesize, cultivate,
>broker, sell, import, export, buy, invest, breed, optimize, and/or explore
>drugs of all sorts in return for the right to do the same (pick appropriate
>legal-sounding laundry list) with firearms?

I am willing to give you those rights.  But you must be willing to accept
the responsibility for your actions.  IMHO people who use a lot of
what are currently illegal drugs lose the capability to be responsible
for their actions.

As a matter of interest,  what advantages does the use of heroin or
cocaine offer the user?

I already have firearm rights.  I take full
responsibility for MY use of firearms.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Re: Militia (was: Results of I 590)
Organization: I/Ovations
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:40:18 GMT

In <2209@shuksan.boeing.com> major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt) writes:

>  Whatever was the intended definition of "militia" was when the framers
>  of the Constitution used the term - today it can have a different meaning.

Are you trying to say that the meaning of the Constitution should change
if we start using a term differently?

Then I think that we should redefine Freedom of Speech to mean that all
people can say anything they want unless it conflicts with established
Libertarian principles, and that Mike Schmitt can't say anything under
any circumstances.  Then all you guys that disagree with me wouldn't
be able to bother me anymore and it would all be Constitutional!!!

-- 
del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
                          Who is John Galt?
Newsgroups: seattle.general,uw.general
From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Subject: Looking for Ride GreenLake -> UW
Keywords: 2 weeks in September
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:37:48 GMT


Greetings!

I am going to have a joint replaced in late August (if terror doesn't get
the better of me (-:) and would like to find a ride to the UW for at 
least the two middle weeks of September, possibly into the first week of
August.

I live by Greenlake (the Honeybear), and if anyone drives from around there and
could help that would be terrific.

Ordinarily I would walk, but will be non-weight bearing and don't know about
making it three blocks to the bus.  Besides, he's asking for me to donate my
own blood, so I expect to lose a fair amount, and will probably be tired for
a while.

thanks!

Lauren
685-8627


******************************************************************************
Lauren Boyd					Department of Otolaryngology
Systems Analyst/Programmer			University of Washington, RL-30
*Go Huskies*					Seattle, Washington  98195
******************************************************************************
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:50:25 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Jul29.234436.9340@u.washington.edu> monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan) writes:
>
>Tobacco results in more deaths and permanent injuries and yet the federal
>government subsidizes the industry to the tune of billions a year.
>

Ah yes, the ol'e "two wrongs make a right" logical fallacy.

>Marijuna or tobacco, get the govt out of it and let those who choose grow
>their own.

This is an interesting point which takes some of the wind out of
the sails on the argument that we will save lots of money via legalization
because we won't have enforcement expenses.  To get the tax revenue that
everybody is talking about you must make home production illegal - thus
the *continued* need for enforcement.  If not, society winds up with all
the problems associated with legal drug use and no revenue because people
would simply grow/make their own.  I'm not convienced of the claims that
drug use [and the problems associated with it] would not increase if drugs
were cheaper, more accessable, and somewhat safer.  If drug usage increases
under legalization we might be trading the reduced crime aspect [which I
accept] for increased social costs in other areas.  The tough question is
which cost is greater to society?


-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: gun access/control questions
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:45:49 GMT

Questions to the pro- and anti- gun people:

1) Is it generally agreed that the right to bear arms does not extend to the
   mentally incompetant?

2) Is it generally agreed that conviction for a felony should strip one of the
   right to bear arms, modulo some specific legal procedure to remove the
   disability?

3) Most crimes committed by guns do not seem to be made by `gun nuts' (e.g.
   the NRA).  Is this generally agreed?

4) If the `gun nuts' are responsible with their toys, isn't it unreasonable to
   take their toys away because of the behavior of others?

5) The `gun nuts' fear -- for reasons that they consider valid and are
   difficult to argue against -- government registration of guns and licensing
   of gun operators.  Would NON-GOVERNMENTAL registration and licensing be an
   acceptable compromise?  Suppose the NRA itself was the registration and
   licensing agency?  That is, allow the `gun nuts' to be self-policing.  I
   could easily envision a multi-tiered testing and licensing procedure, with
   the higher tiers (e.g. for fully-automatic assault weapons) to be a coveted
   and cherished possession.

So the bottom line question is:

Anti-gun people: if the `gun nuts' took the responsibility for self-policing,
which includes (1) giving them the authority to do so and (2) no government
interference, would this be satisfactory?

Pro-gun people: if the benefit was the removal of government interference with
your toys, would you be willing to implement a self-policing program?

I fear the answer from both sides is `no'.
From: gah2468@bcsaic.boeing.com (Geoffrey Hazel)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Breakfasts in Seattle summary [Long]
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:36:22 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle


RE: Pancake Chef on 99, near Sea-Tac airport

Used to be good, but long-time owners sold out.  Not so good anymore.
Neighborhood is going down fast, what with airport buyouts and 
increasing 'red light district' activity.
(I used to live just up the street from the place for 8 years before
WE were bought out by the Port.)
-- 
Geoff Hazel                  | Haven't you got some real work to get 
gah2468@bcsaic.boeing.com    | done now?
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:56:11 GMT

In <2891@voodoo.UUCP> mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:

>This is an interesting point which takes some of the wind out of
>the sails on the argument that we will save lots of money via legalization
>because we won't have enforcement expenses.  To get the tax revenue that
>everybody is talking about you must make home production illegal - thus
>the *continued* need for enforcement.  If not, society winds up with all
>the problems associated with legal drug use and no revenue because people
>would simply grow/make their own.  


Somehow this hasn't happened with home-grown tobacco or home-brewed
beer, even though both are legal and inexpensive.  Even moonshining
for personal consumption isn't a big tax problem, and there are
precious few federal officers enforcing moonshine laws these days.
What revenuers are left focus on tax evasion by commercial
moonshiners, not production for personal consumption.

Even though the taxes alone are higher than the cost of home
production, most American consumers prefer the convenience of
prepackaged recreational drugs.

Back when nobody took marijuana offenses seriously and smoking it in
public got users nothing more than funny looks from the old folks,
most users still bought it at inflated black-market prices rather than
grow it at home.
-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:24:53 GMT

In <1992Jul26.232601.7483@eskimo.celestial.com> wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:


> So, where/how does one get a carry permit?

Officially, it's a "License to Carry Concealed Weapon" formulated by
the state but issued by local authorities.  You can apply for it
from your local police, county sheriff, or court of record.  Call your
local police station and ask.  Fingerprints, ID, etc. required.

They'll probably wait the full 30(?) days before issuing it.  They may
mail it to you, or you may have to pick it up.

It's good for five years.  I don't remember what it costs.

> Where do you go to get instruction and practice?

Look for a local range, call the NRA, or ask about ranges and courses
at a good gun shop.

> I suppose that it is possible to buy a pistol
> at any of the gun shops in the area.  

I'm not sure all local shops carry pistols, but most certainly do.

> Does
> Washington state, King Co. or Seattle have
> a waiting period?

Yes, but if you have a concealed carry permit you give them the permit
number and don't need to wait, since they've already had time to
screen you.
-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
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 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mccann@june.cs.washington.edu (Cathy McCann)
Subject: mechanic wanted for diesel VW
Organization: University of Washington Computer Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:13:52 GMT

I am looking for recommendations for good mechanics to
service my aging diesel VW rabbit.  I'd prefer places in
and around the Renton area, but I'm not really picky.  Also,
if you have recommendations for places to avoid, I'm all ears.

Thanks.

Cathy McCann
mccann@cs.washington.edu
From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Results of I 590
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:05:08 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Totally Unorganized

In article <3089@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> waymire@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Richard Waymire) writes:
>
>OK, interesting reading (a rehash of T.P.G, but oh well).  But I have a Seattle
>question... What do you guys think about the upcoming Seattle policy of paying
>$50 for any gun turned into the police?  I have changed radio stations because
>
> ... many points deleted ...
>
>What does the network world think?

Personally, I think the program is a waste of good funds - paying way
too much for scrap metal.  I think the PURPOSE is a publicity stunt.
The promoters can say (and some folks who haven't looked into the issue
deeper will believe it) "look at us - we are trying to make things better!"

The effectiveness of such a program to remove illegal guns could be likened
to trying to disable a tank by using a Daisy air gun.  And still, the
original problems that cause disrespect for others, violence, etc. remain,
unaffected.

As to misuse of guns due to ignorance, how come there isn't firearms handling
classes in the public schools?   Could it be more inportant to be in fashion
than to instruct people so as to prevent accidents and misuse, and the
injuries that result?  Perhaps if misuse went down, and everyone had
proper resepect for firearms, as is done with other tools that can injure
if not used properly, the excuses to ban this type, restrict that type,
blame society's ills on this other type would be much harder to sell by
those who want to disarm the law-abiding, the politicians would have to
try to rectify the REAL causes, instead of conning the public into yet
another 'quick fix'.  That would tend to deny the opportunity to whip
up a hysteria, blame everything on a piece of hardware, instead of the
results of their lousy management.

Just the feelings of this 'piece of net world'...
-- 
pat@rwing.uucp                                  (Pat Myrto),  Seattle, WA
                      If all else fails, try:
         ...!uunet!{pilchuck, polari}!rwing!pat
WISDOM:    "Travelling unarmed is like boating without a life jacket"
From: hochberg@misty.boeing.com (michael hochberg)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: FYI: Auto Insurance Coverage Misconception
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:20:27 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

I'm going to check my policy tonight.  There is something rotten
about all of this.

I'm also going to call my insurer.

I'll let you know.

Thanks,
Mike
From: steven@tc.fluke.COM (Steve Haynes)
Subject: Drug Laws (WAS: Re: Travelling armed)
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:06:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.223518.7534@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:

>Actually I am somewhat in favor with the elimination of drug laws.
>But only if ALL drug laws go as well as ALL publically funded support systems
>for the chemically dependent.  Anyone who wishes to use drugs, including
>alcohol is welcome to, but don't force others to pay for it.
^^^^^^^^
	*** AND TOBACCO !!!***

We're paying for it now, with higher health insurance premiums for all.
When are purveyors of health insurance going to adopt the philosophy of life
insurance companies, and charge according to the destructiveness of one's
lifestyle?
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From: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: DWI
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:50:23 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com
Distribution: seattle
Organization: BoGART To You, Buddy

In article <3087@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:

|> I think maybe the point was missed.  Kurt was responding to a statement
|> I made 'bout driving a vehicle with an open can of beer held by the
|> passenger or driver.  My comment was why should that be illegal.  We have
|> laws re: druck driving and drinking under age.  What good is an open
|> container law going to have except encourage to toss all their beer cans
|> out the window onto the shoulder.

Geez, I agree with Robert!  When I lived in Texas, one thing I
appreciated was their distinction between having a beer (or whatever)
while driving, and driving drunk.  When it's 105 when you leave work,
it's nice to be able to have a cold brew on the drive home.  They've
since made it illegal, as it is in WA; pity, it was one of the only
things I liked about TX (somehow I just never grew to appreciate flat,
brown, and hot).
-- 
Jim Tomlinson    BoGART Project    Boeing Computer Services    Bellevue, WA
jdt@voodoo.boeing.com       ...uunet!bcstec!voodoo!jdt        (206)865-6578 
         "Airplanes are cool." - the man on the street in Seattle
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: edm@halcyon.com (Ed Morin)
Subject: Re: SLIP connections
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:45:34 GMT

Northwest Nexus offers dial-up SLIP/PPP _Internet_ services for as low as
$10/mo.  If you are interested in this service or some other service such
as UUCP, MX forwarding, etc., please let me know!


-- 
Ed Morin
Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
"Serving the Usenet community since 1987."
edm@nwnexus.WA.COM
From: oneworld!charles (Charles W. Cooper II)
Subject: Re: Late Night Coffee in Seattle?
Reply-To: charles@oneworld.wa.com
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:53:42 GMT

Daryl Hochman writes
> Does anybody know of any places that stay open late serving coffee
> (later than midnight)?

CAFE MINNIE'S at 2nd and Denny in Downtown Seattle is a suave sorta Italian  
place that is open 24 hours and is quite nice.

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:38:34 GMT

In <1992Jul28.180917.22800@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:

>Assuming that you can find someone willing to manufacture them.
>What reputable drug company would be willing to sell cocaine/heroin
>even if it was legal.  Imagine the product liability costs.

If Congress can give tobacco companies immunity from product liability
suits by requiring warnings on the packages, I don't see why they
couldn't do this for producers of any other addictive drug.  Probably
the same pharmaceutical companies that today manufacture cocaine and
narcotics for medical use could simply scale up their production, or
sell their production process to consumer drug companies to avoid the
bad PR.

>Why would they be cheap.  The companies would charge whatever the
>market would bear.  Look at what they charge for drugs people need to
>stay alive, much less recreational uses.

There's no R&D expense needed for cocaine or heroin.

There's no patent protection for cocaine or heroin.

Absent high market entry costs or patent monopolies, "whatever the
market would bear" works out to cost of production plus a reasonable
rate of return on investment.

Since the drugs cost almost nothing to develop and would not be
protected by government monopolies, I see no reason to expect less
price competition than in existing consumer markets for addictive
recreational drugs like tobacco, alcohol, and coffee.
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 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
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