HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: call for a new newsgroup
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:37:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.721377466.1103527590.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
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The signal/noise on this newsgroup has deteriorated to the point where it has
become useless.  Between the ranting about guns and the ranting of Rikiya
Asano, this newsgroup has become impossible to read even with advanced
newsreading tools that help you find the 2 messages out of 156 that are worth
reading.

I think it is time for a new newsgroup, preferably a moderated one, in which
Japanese cultural, historical, and social issues can be discussed in an
intelligent fashion.  We can leave this newsgroup for Asano to vent his
paranoid, racist, and historically inaccurate blather along with the gun
flamers.

Another possibility is a mailing list.  This is, in a way, a return to the
roots of this newsgroup, when it was INFO-JAPAN@MIT-MC.  One possible outcome,
and a highly desirable one at that, would be the return of a number of
scholars who have quit soc.culture.japan in disgust quite some time ago.

Surely I can't be the only person who is disgusted with 150+ messages/day on
this newsgroup, mostly trash.
From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in English
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:51:14 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

>They are all I remember now.  I think there are a little 
>more celebrations else.  Does anyone know more?

KO-KI
A word to express the age of 70 or a celebration of the age of 70.
This comes from an ancient Chinese poem including "KO (ancient)" and
"KI (rare)". Yes, the persons of 70 years old must have been rare in
the ancient era.

SAN-ZYU
A word to express the age of 80 or a celebration of the age of 80.
This comes from the form of a kanji "SAN (umbrella)" whose simplified
form seems to consist of kanji "HATI (eight)" and "ZYUU (ten)".

SOTU-ZYU
A word to express the age of 90 or a celebration of the age of 90.
This comes from the form of a kanji "SOTU (graduate)" whose simplified
form seems to consist of kanji "KU (nine)" and "ZYUU(ten)".

HAKU-ZYU
A word to express the age of 99 or a celebration of the age of 99.
This comes from the form of a kanji "HAKU (white)". You may know
that "HAKU" can be derived by deleting the top bar (kanji "ITI (one)")
in kanji "HYAKU (hundred)". A hundred minus one makes 99.  QED.

-- 
Yasuaki NAKANO
nakano@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:02:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <Bx9q4t.IM4@ncifcrf.gov>, masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>    The problem is that even a blood-thirsty, antisocial, emotionally-unstable,
> selfish, over-reactive person (like me, if you want to include) who doesn't
> know how to say, "freeze!" correctly could own a gun without any training nor
> education.

Indeed.  You can also vote, hold an offensive religious belief, publish a
newspaper, or make incredibly ill-informed speeches in public without any
training or education.  That's why we call them rights.

You can also be prosecuted for USING these rights wrongly (vote-selling,
libel, slander, cruelty to animals, wife-beating, manslaughter).  But we
don't control any of these rights because you MIGHT do something wrong
with them.
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10469 talk.politics.guns:23894
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:39:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <BxGzsH.BxL@ncifcrf.gov>, masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
> In article <1dmd91INNbdt@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <BxE08w.JyJ@ncifcrf.gov>, masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
> 
> >> >Citizens able to defend themselves. Especially women and the elderly
> >> >who are often the victims of rape, assault, and robbery precisely
> >> >because the criminals think they can not defend themselves.
> 
> >>    Do you propose a policy to distribute a free handgun to all the women and
> >> elderly who want to have one?
> 
> >In your ideal world, is the government required to give you, free, everything 
> >it doesn't prohibit?
> 
>    If something has more benefit than the cost for offering it for free,
> the government may well consider or people may well try to make their government
> consider it.

On the other hand, even people who DO believe that all women and elderly 
should own defensive arms may object to a "free" government distribution 
scheme on economic reasons.  I believe the same about the telephone, for
example, but I am not in favor of using tax money to buy them for everybody.

>    If it is a valid argument that the larger number of weapons in the hands 
> of innocent citizens lead to the smaller number of crimes, distributing as
> many handguns as possible would not be a bad idea.

Of course, the money spent on such a program comes out of thin air, as does
the overhead of government administration.  In the end, it would be cheaper 
for everyone simply to buy their own.  Oddly enough, we supposedly have such 
a constitutional guarantee.

>    Even in your real world, the US government offers free polio vaccination
> because it's beneficial, but not because it is not prohibited.

You seem to believe this program is free to "anybody who wants it."  Try
again.
-- 

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OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:53:32 GMT

In article <1dcetbINNffi@agate.berkeley.edu> lindaa@sooth.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:
>arguements presented is that guns are to protect ourselves from 
>mobs/tyrannical governments/gangs/etc., etc.,:  AGAIN, what does
>this say about how we regard ourselves and our fellow citizens?

And George Washington was a murdering, blood thirsty criminal who with
his associates planned and carried out the killing of GOVERNMENT agents
by the thousands.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Please give your opinions...
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:54:01 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <40724@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
>Oops.. misunderstanding here. I meant to say that what I don't like
>about the term "gaijin-san" isn't that it's the "gaijin" meaning
>alien, but that "....-san" just sounds sorta strange with words of
>nationality and such. Probably just because "gaijin" isn't a title.
>It is the same way that in English "Mr. Iranian" just kinda sounds
>weird.

   Then, you might want to learn that the Japanese language cannot
be measured by the standard of the English language. Whether you
think it sounds strange or not, "gaijin-san" does not sound weird to
us. And my mom will probably keep on using it for the rest of her 
life. 8-)

>	I must say though, I still think it's silly when Japanese
>here are saying "gaijin" about American people, or "gaisya" for
>American cars IN THE US. Just a habit that's hard to break.

   If you are talking about the Japanese words that they use among 
Japanese themselves, you might not want to break the habit unless it
does some harm to you other than making you think that's silly. If a "gaijin"
tried to break it, that might not be better than a cultural genocide.
You would also have to realize that I (and probably many other Japanese
in the US) forget that I'm in the US when I get together with Japanese.
Or should I say, "We get together in order to forget that we are in the
US"?  

--Miciaki
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: New era in American politics....
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:39:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sez66dW00iUz03lG9g
	<SMITTIE.92Nov6103315@tui.csulb.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr.Smittie,

                The electoral college vote is the only way that can be
president. But, that is the past President Clinton is.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: lll4325@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: new newsgroup discussion
Reply-To: lll4325@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:33:33 GMT

I have been following the comments from Mr. Crispen, and have agreed to a lot of the ideas he has about this newsgroup.But after reading the one about 
dividing the newsgroup up into different sections, I don't think I would give Mr. Crispen as much respect as I would have before.
In his article, Mark proposed that the newsgroup s.c.j be broken down to 
different sections, but one of the proposed sections really sounds quite...
racist, shall I say.
I just happen to be a Taiwanese person and I enjoy reading through s.c.j, but EXCUSE ME, I dont think that I subscribed to it because I wanted to find an easyway for Japan bashing...
Another point I'd like to make to Mark is that NOT ALL CHINESE/TAIWANESE 
people who subscribe to s.c.j are "psychologically unable to keep their obscenity-laden filty on soc.culture.China/Taiwan"...

P.S. It seems to me that Japan-bashing
     is MORE common among Americans 
     than among Chinese...

							Lewis Lau
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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:43:34 GMT
	<1dnqhfINN7r5@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> <1992Nov10.190319.4792@adobe.com>
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <1992Nov10.190319.4792@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil
Ngai) writes:

   Let's see if I can get this right.

This depends on your state.  All of these are state crimes, and not
defined at the federal level.

   First-degree murder is planned and intentional.
   Second-degree is unplanned but intentional.

Good for a summary.  In most states, there are other things that
qualify as various levels of murder.  Usually, any death in the
comission of a felony (including one of the criminals) is deemed first
degree murder.  In Maryland, a death caused by drunk driving can,
under some circumstances, result in a second degree murder charge.

   Voluntary manslaughter is unintentional but the result of deliberately
   taking actions which are risky. Driving on bald tires and having
   an accident might be an example.

"Taking actions that are risky" is not enough.  In most states, some
illegal action is involved, as well as some intent to harm (but not
kill).  For example, if in a fight, someone falls and hits their head,
dying as a result, this is voluntary manslaughter.

   Involuntary manslaughter is unintentional and not something which
   a reasonable person could have avoided. A possible example is
   a driver getting a blowout from an object on the road he could
   not have seen and losing control and running over someone.

I know of no state where this is a crime.  Some criminal action that
results in death, where no intent to do bodily harm, is the usual
defintion.  Drunk driving which results in death can be charged as
involuntary manslaughter in most states, as can reckless driving.  If,
as a gag, I set fire to a trash can, and a house burns down and kills
someone as a result, this is voluntary manslaughter.

Remember these vary from state to state.  Your milage may vary.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: sprackle@rel4.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen)
Subject: Email to Japan
Organization: ncsa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:17:09 GMT
Keywords: ???

One of my best friends recently became engaged to a Japanese
girl. He dropped by to see me, and I showed him the lab here.
To make a long story short, his fiance would like to send
email to her sister in Japan. Can I just use the standard
email program? I'm not sure if it would display the right
characters or not. BTW the sister does speak and read English.

Thanks for any help.
Dave Spracklen
From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Kyushu Basho (Day 5)
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:53:02 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

Akebono made little work of Kotonishiki, grabbing his sash and pulling him
down with a makiotoshi (twist down) technique, to seize the lead. Minutes beforeMusashimaru had easily pushed Takatoriki down for a perfect 5-0 record.
Ozeki Kirishima tasted victory at last, resisting Takamisugi's strong tsuki
and avoiding his dreaded nodowa (throat grasp) to finally grab his sash,
lift him and march him out. Takahanada also finally chalked up a win. After
fighting in the middle of the dohyo, Tochinowaka pushed along and all
Taka had to do was step aside and let the maegashira crash out by himself.
Mito was unable to win, though, losing three bouts in a row, the first
two being cancelled by the head judge Jingaku (former Kokonoe, Chiyo's
stablemaster) because Mito didn't lay his hands down properly. The two Hawaiiansare now in the lead, together with Kasugafuji. Also in the running at 4-1 are 
Kotonishiki, Tomoefuji and Kototsubaki, the latter probably not a real
contender.

Winner	Wins	Loser	Wins

KasugaF	5	Kyoguzan(juryo)3
KiriN	3	Kbeppu	3
Toki	3	H'K	1
Ogi'H	3	Kgaume	2
T'nami	2	DshoY	2
W'Y	1	Mai'U	1
Toyo'U	3	KF	1
K'W	3	Tama	0
Dzen	3	Ktsubaki4
Kiraiho	3	Kita	2
WHda	3	Kinazuma3
Tatsu	3	Wshoyo	3
TomoeF	4	Dshoho	3
Misugi	3	Kyoku	2
KuSU	3	Mito	0
Aki'S	3	Terao	2
THda	1	Tochi'W	2
Musashi	5	Ttoriki	3
Akebono	5	KN	4
KiriS	1	Tmisugi	1

Today's main bouts

Daishoho	Akebono
Kirishima	Takahanada
Musashimaru	Tochinowaka

-- 
    __  _    
** ||_ /_| **   Fred "I'll be" Bach               (tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP) 
** || /__| **   [Je suis athee, Dieu merci.]          Tel. 813-3597-1595

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:57:49 GMT

masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>he/she cannot run over someone in the public property. Once he/she drives into
>a public property without a license, it would be illegal.

	Not necessarially.  I've driven public highways, perfectly legally,
without licenses and with only my word as a reason.  I've also legally
carried guns and driven vehicles that are not street legal in public parks.

>   Driving a car requires a license at least for using it in the public
>place. Possession of firearms doesn't require a training nor a license
>wherever you may use it.

	Both of your statements are incorrect in Iowa.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,sci.energy
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Plutonium
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:47:47 GMT

In article <BxL0zo.Cpo@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>I must admit that I find the transfer of the bulk of the _worlds_ supply
>of fissionable plutonium to Japan to be incomprehensible. I do not 

How much plutonium do you think there is in the world?

>understand why the Japanese would want such a large supply and I especially

How much plutonium do you think it takes to fuel a standard
1,000 megawatt power generating reactor?

>do not understand why they would allow this quantity of such a dangerous
>element on their territory given their previous experience. I do not

I thought Japan had been generating electricity with nuclear reactors
for quite a while. Have they had bad experiences?

>        TOKYO (UPI) -- U.S. nuclear submarines are watching a Japanese
>freighter carrying more than a ton of highly toxic plutonium from France

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:41:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.064635.26650@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp> kono@csl.sony.co.jp writes:
>In article <pa142548.398.720914051@utkvm1.utk.edu> , 
>	pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes 
>>No "excuse" is necessary.  The facts indicate that the citizen had 
>>reasonable cause to feel that he was threatened, and did not have the luxury 
>>of exploring further.  He gave a verbal warning, which was ignored.  In his 
>>perception, he had no choice but to shoot.

>I cannot believe this posting....  A simple warning is no excuse for
>the murder.

This is not, so far as I know, a murder. It is manslaughter.

> How do you think if your police start gun fire with a
>warning?

Ever hear of LAPD? Happens all the time. Eula Love? The Beverley Hills 
jewelry store robbery? Ad nauseum.

>The murderer had many other choices, for example,

He is a killer; it is up to the court system to decide if he's a murderer.

>    Repeat warnings,

Possible.

>    Wait and see,

Dumb, if he feels his life is in danger.

>    Shut the door again,

Possible.

>    Call someone for help,

He's got a gun; no need to call for help.

>    Run away,

He's already at home.

>    Shoot something other than Hattori's body,

Bad idea; a .44 makes a big hole if fired at the wrong thing.

>    Tell him not to kill me, etc...

If the guy (Hattori) didn't respond to "Freeze!", he would most likely have
been unresponsive to any other verbal communication.

>Of course, if the murderer is in Japan and has leagal rights to have
>the gun, he is guilty for excesive defense and he is not allowed to
>return home immediately.

Same here, especially if the suspect represents a significant risk to flee
or commit another, similar act.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: huson@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Mark Huson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: internment camps
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ennews.1992Nov12.070700.9518
Reply-To: huson@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Mark Huson)
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <1992Nov11.141647.2663@bmerh85.bnr.ca> bam@bnr.ca (Bruce Matsugu 1629654) writes:
>[Please don asbestos suit.]
>In article <1dq3mrINNs7n@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>>Japanese Americans were interned for their own protection from lynchings.
>
>Yeah, right! And who was doing the "lynching"?
>
According to the wording of "Civilian Exclusion Order Number 27,30 April 42":
	"...it is hereby ordered that ... all persons of Japanese ancestry
	both alien and non-alien, be excluded from that portion of Military
	Area No. 1 ..."

From what I've read, there were no "lynchings", the exclusion was a response
to a perceived threat of sabotage, the racist view that ties to Japan were
stronger than ties to this country (possibly true for some of the "aliens", 
but they were denied citizenship, and probably loved their adopted country 
much the same as European immigrants), and the media propoganda published 
by Hearst newspapers in California. 


For Henry Robertson:
>
>>  Asian American authors
>>like to convey a message that they encountered unique prejudices, 
and after reading more than the one column blurb in Newsweek or Time, I
believe you might see the merit in their arguments.  Your attribution of
the information to "Asian American" authors is unnecessary and slanted.
I suggest you read "America's Concentration Camps" by Allan R. Bosworth,
W.W. Norton and Company, New York, 1967.

As for the rest of your posting, is that really appropriate or necessary
in a group on Japanese culture? 



For Bruce Matsugu:
>And you Americans wonder why your insensitive attitude infuriates 
>so many other people!
>
Luckily posts on the net represent only the views of the individual author.
Please don't be guilty of the same stereotyping which seems to afflict the
person you are flamming.

----
Mark L. Huson  --- Arizona State University --- Dept of Computer Science
Obviously MY rantings, no one else would claim them... I'm not even sure I will.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10423 talk.politics.guns:23845
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47 COLLEGE STUDENTS IN ROPPONGI
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:45:43 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:

>(AP) -- What had started as a leftist demonstration opposing the impending
>appointment of former prime minister Takeshita in the wake of a recent
>bribery scandal, ended in carnage and mayhem, leaving a smoke-filled 
>main intersection at Roppongi strewn with corpses, rubble, overturned buses,
>and shattered glass glittering under cold neon lights.  

Bloody hell. That's it. I won't go near a Roppongi restaurant again.

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: larry king's radio show (Dave Barry)
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:12:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov12.041232.12460
Organization: The Ohio State University


USA readers please note that Larry King will have humorist and
newspaper feature writer Dave Barry on his radio show on Thursday
night, Nov. 12.  Barry recently wrote a book about his
experiences in Japan, and will likely discuss that.

-Jon Papai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yokoyama@ee.ualberta.ca (Masami Yokoyama)
Subject: Re: Not so new music
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:23:23 GMT

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:

>M20441@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>> I have only recently begun studying Japanese.  I have a great interest in the
>> music.  I heard a song by H2O <H two oh> called "Omoide ga ippai"
>> I thought it was a very pretty song and wonder if that is a good repre
>> sentation of their type of music.  If anyone knows of this song, or this grou
>>  please email me with the info you have.  Since this song was on Karaoke, I
>> figure that it is fairly old.  I think it was listed as 1987 on the disk.  An
>> help would be appreciated.
>>  

>I love these guys too; they were big in the summer of 1983, but have been 
>pretty silent since.  Anybody know where I can get a CD or tape?

The song "Omoide ga ippai: was a theme song for the TV anime "Miyuki".  This wasa big hit around 1983-1984, but I have never heard of the group ever since.
I know only one album of them.  I do not know the title, but that album does    have this song in it.  This song is also included in "Miyuki" sound track.

Masami Yokoyama

e-mail : yokoyama@bode.ee.ualberta.ca