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From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Forward from Jason
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:22:01 GMT

(wow, did I start a discussion or what.. we should get our own newsgroup)

     Speaking of rules, can someone set me straight on what you do when there
is one ball left in straight pool?  I have been told that you re-rack all but
that one, or that you take that one off and re-rack the rest then put that one
back, etc etc etc.. What is the real rule?
     As for the game with three balls, I think it is something like you have to
hit 3 bumpers and both white balls with the red to get a point.. but dont take
my word for it, anyone actually play?  I know one thing.. it is VERY hard.

-- 
Jason Seth Verch              |   'Love hides in molecular structures.'
SUNY @ Buffalo                |              - Jim Morrison
verch@acsu.buffalo.edu        |   'Who are you?'   - Pete Townshend



Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: HOMES vs. BIFGOOT
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:51:59 GMT

HOLMES W10 BIGFOOT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: RING BOXING SUMMARY
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:42:21 GMT

Riddick Bowe W 12 Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis KO 2 Razor Ruddock
Michael Moorer KO 2 Billy Wright
Tony Tucker KO 4 Paul Poirer
Frank Bruno KO 8 Pierre Coetzer
Herbie Hide KO 7 Craig Paterson
Carl Williams KO 3 Jimmy Lee Smith
K.P. Porter W 10 Leon Spinks 
Jimmy Ellis KO 5 Young Joe Lewis
Michael Dokes W10 Barry Forbes
Corrie Sanders W10 Johnny Nelson
David Dixon KO 1 MIke Rouse
Pinklon Thomas KO 3 Mike Owens
Pinklon Thomas KO 1 Kevin Hines
Pinklon Thomas KO 5 Dion Burgess
Axel Schulzx W 8 Rickey Parkey
Rodney Wilson W10 Jesse Torres
Nathaniel Fitch KO 5 Rickey Parkey 
Dannel Nicholson  KO 1 Dave Slaughter
Dannel Nicholson  W 4 Danny Nieves
Shannon Briggs KO 3 Juan Quintana
Ran Crammer W 6 Jerry Quarry

Who Should retrire out of this list? Note: Dokes can not because
he has a title fight on Feb 5
From: ebroom@amethyst.axion.bt.co.uk (Ed Broom)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Easy quiz answers required
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:36:37 GMT
Reply-To: ebroom@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK

Could anybody out there help me out with the following questions:

1. Which game became known as "Obolensky's Match"?

2. Which race did Cordero, Delahoussaye and Shoemaker all win in
   the 1980's?

3. Which two men jointly won the first London Marathon?

4. Who is the only boxer to win world titles at six different weights?

5. Who were the pacemakers for the first sub four minute mile?

Answers gratefully received by e-mail, thank you.

Ed Broom

..but smart old Blue he took the Milky Way.
From: jkokko@lk-hp-9.hut.fi (Jari Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:10:08 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-9.hut.fi

g9utxu@fnma.COM:
>Well, I think 8 balls is more fun to 
>play if not more difficult because you have more balls to deal with.

I'd like to quote a friend of mine here.

On comparing the difficulty of different games, Janne Alho once said:

"Kaikki pelit ovat yht{ vaikeita, tarkoitushan on voittaa vastustaja."

In English? You don't read Finnish? ;)

OK, 

"All games are equally difficult, after all the goal is to beat your
opponent."

Jari Kokko.

(Probably the only time he made any sense ;)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: pat@lk-hp-12.hut.fi (Pat Kuortti)
Subject: Billiards newsgroup (Was: Re: Carambole (billiards))
Organization: Helsinki Univ. of Tech., Finland
Distribution: inet
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:11:40

In article <1ih7vpINNkmk@sauna.cs.hut.fi> jkokko@lk-hp-5.hut.fi (Jari Kokko) writes:

   >(wow, did I start a discussion or what.. we should get our own newsgroup)
jari>   We tried, didn't you notice, in Nov 1992 there was a CFD in
jari>   *newsgroups, it didn't get to the CFV ;(

	How about creating alt.billiards (or something) ?
	I remember hearing that alt.* newsgroups can be created
	by anyone. Anyone know how to do it ? 

			PK


	"Money won is twice as sweet as money earned"



	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: msfuller@cc.utah.edu (MARC S. FULLER)
Subject: Squash Racquets
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  8 Jan 1993 11:23 MST  

With the great number of squash racquets now available, I would like to know 
others impressions of racquets they have used.  I am a soft (international) 
ball player, and have used three racquets recently: 1 My indestructible Head 
SX2, which is great for control, but doesn't generate a lot of power.  A Head 
Universe (medium sized head), which I think is too stiff for soft ball.  It 
felt like I was hitting the ball with a board.  Most recently I've been using 
an Extelon 900, which is not bad for soft ball, but doesn't give the control of 
my old SX2, perhaps because of the oversize head, or additional stiffness.   
Just wondering what experience others  have had?

					Marc Fuller
					fuller@cardio.med.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:37:46 GMT

g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:

>Defensive game in pool is like defensive game in football...not very much fun to 
>watch or play. But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to win. So what happens if 
>you snook your opponent on the 8 ball (for 8-ball game), does he loses if he misses 
>the 8 ball. If that is the case then what fun is it if you make all 7 ball but missed 
>the 8 ball so your opponent snookers you and you lose.

>I also remember hearing that on the eight ball you must let the cue ball or eight 
>ball hit one rail. Is this true ?

>TU  

I've never heard that, but I have come to realize that there are slight
variations to everyone's game.  Some people play "you have to hit the eight
ball", "last pocket", "hit railing (I had only heard this in 9-ball)", 
etc...  It all depends on the person - always set the rules straight from
the start.
	Mystic

Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:20:10 GMT

In article LEJ@acsu.buffalo.edu, verch@acsu.buffalo.edu (N0b0dy Imp0rtant) writes:
>
>         Is their a newsgroup for discussing billiards/pool?  I have found
>groups for sports I didn't know existed but i cant seem to find this one..
>
>-- 
>Jason Seth Verch              |   'Love hides in molecular structures.'
>SUNY @ Buffalo                |              - Jim Morrison
>verch@acsu.buffalo.edu        |   'Who are you?'   - Pete Townshend


I keep trying to respond but somehow fail to do so. Anyways I would like to know 
also if there's such a group. Cause I've been wondering about why pros play 9 balls 
instead of 8 balls. Just because its faster!. Well, I think 8 balls is more fun to 
play if not more difficult because you have more balls to deal with.

What do you think?

TU
From: verch@acsu.buffalo.edu (N0b0dy Imp0rtant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:14:27 GMT
Organization: Society for the destruction of society


    I dont think 9-ball is easier than 8-ball.  Dont forget you have to shoot
the balls in order in 9-ball, that adds alot of dificulty to shot planning.
Personnaly, when playing with friends I like either straight-pool or, if there
are three people cut-throat (elimination.. whatever you call it).
-- 
Jason Seth Verch              |   'Love hides in molecular structures.'
SUNY @ Buffalo                |              - Jim Morrison
verch@acsu.buffalo.edu        |   'Who are you?'   - Pete Townshend
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Forward from Jason
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:33:55 GMT

g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:

>     Speaking of rules, can someone set me straight on what you do when there
>is one ball left in straight pool?  I have been told that you re-rack all but
>that one, or that you take that one off and re-rack the rest then put that one
>back, etc etc etc.. What is the real rule?

I've played this a couple of times - yes the above is correct.  The hardest 
part is to leave yourself in position to  knock the last ball in and break at 
the same time!!!

>     As for the game with three balls, I think it is something like you have to
>hit 3 bumpers and both white balls with the red to get a point.. but dont take
>my word for it, anyone actually play?  I know one thing.. it is VERY hard.

I'm not sure, but I think there are several combinations - or perhaps the 
order of what you put above can vary.  In either case - it is VERY difficult!
I am not quite close to that level yet!

	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:56:32 GMT

In article 14064@ecs.soton.ac.uk, tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>In <C0Cu04.3wp@acsu.buffalo.edu> verch@acsu.buffalo.edu (N0b0dy Imp0rtant) writes:
>
>>    I dont think 9-ball is easier than 8-ball.  Dont forget you have to shoot
>>the balls in order in 9-ball, that adds alot of dificulty to shot planning.
>>Personnaly, when playing with friends I like either straight-pool or, if there
>>are three people cut-throat (elimination.. whatever you call it).
>
>Pah! Real Billiards has only 3 balls :)
>
>Tim


I've heard about this game, especially in the Korean community using pool table 
without pockets. I was in Chicago a while back and wanted to play some pool and I 
was in Korean Town. So I stopped by a pool hall only to realized that there were 
no holes and only three BIG balls. Can anyone explain the rules...

TU

Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:51:16 GMT


I don't think 9-ball is harder or easier than 8-ball.  It's a different
game!  There's alot more shot planning involved, but then again - there can
be alot of defensive playing trying to snooker somebody from the next 
numeric ball.  I personally like 9-ball the best out of all.  A friend and I
used to add rules to make it harder - for example, we had a rule that we had
to touch a side with every hit (atleast one side).  This could be the cue
ball or the ball we are shooting.  Alot of times this was hard to do and still
get a good next shot opportunity.  Alas...those were the days when I was good.
Now...it's been so long, I'll be lucky if I can play a decent game of straight
pool!
	Mystic
From: jkokko@lk-hp-15.hut.fi (Jari Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: Billiards?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 13:21:06 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-15.hut.fi

pat@lk-hp-12.hut.fi (Pat Kuortti):
>and pocketing it. Many people can bank object balls into pockets, but
>banking the cueball into an object ball and scoring adds some nice touch 
>to your game :) (no, *I* can't do it :)

But he regularly flukes it !

Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: thewitt@bnr.ca (Tony Hewitt P120)
Subject: Badminton
Keywords: Badminton
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:36:31 GMT

Paul Schmeltzer writes:

>Are there any people interested in badminton and willing to talk
>about this subject here?
>In France, it is not yet considered a real sport and consequently
>there is almost no information about it. I know England and northern
>Europe countries are much more familiar with it. Are there any
>players on the net?

Badminton is also an unknown sport over here in the USA.  
This weekend I will be travelling 11 hours in a car to play in 
a tournament (the nearest one this month).

Because it is not well known we do not get TV coverage - not even
of the olympics.

It may be nice to start a group where people can share tournament
and club informantion (it took my parents a year to find a club
in Charlotte, NC (USA) when they first moved here).

Tony Hewitt, Raleigh NC, USA
--------
Do not try to email me, I do not have access 
  - please post replies.

Relax, Don't worry, have a homebrew..... 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu
Subject: Squash Racquets
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
opfrom: msfuller@cc.utah.edu (MARC S. FULLER)
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  7 Jan 1993 12:04 MST  

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: a badminton player
Subject: Badminton
Reply-To: schmeltzer@lifia.imag.fr
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:00:30 GMT

Are there any people interested in badminton and willing to talk
about this subject here?
In France, it is not yet considered a real sport and consequently
there is almost no information about it. I know England and northern
Europe countries are much more familiar with it. Are there any
players on the net?

--
Paul Schmeltzer
schmeltzer@lifia.imag.fr
From: jkokko@lk-hp-5.hut.fi (Jari Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Carambole (billiards)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:34:01 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-5.hut.fi

g9utxu@fnma.COM:
>(wow, did I start a discussion or what.. we should get our own newsgroup)
We tried, didn't you notice, in Nov 1992 there was a CFD in
*newsgroups, it didn't get to the CFV ;(

>Speaking of rules, can someone set me straight on what you do when there
>is one ball left in straight pool?  I have been told that you re-rack all but
>that one, or that you take that one off and re-rack the rest then put that one
>back, etc etc etc.. What is the real rule?

The rule is a bit complicated but I'll try:

-if the break ball is not in the rack or in the kitchen, you
 rerack the other balls not moving the cue ball or the break ball
-if the break ball is in the rack and the cue ball is not, you 
 rerack the other balls, move the break ball to the head spot, not 
 moving the cueball
-if the cue ball is in the rack and the break ball is not, then
	-if the the break ball is not in the kitchen, the cue ball
	becomes cue ball in hand in the kitchen
	-if the break ball is in the kitchen, the cue ball is moved to
	the head spot
-if both the cue ball and the break ball are in the rack, all the balls
 are reracked and the cue ball becomes in hand in the kitchen
-if a ball should me moved to the head spot and the spot is occupied
 you move the ball to the centre spot instead

In the kitchen means behind the head string (head string is the string
behind which you make the break shot

In the rack means on or inside the triangle that is drawn onto the cloth.

Occupied means you can't place a ball on the spot exactly because
there is another ball in the way.

I think that's all ;)

>     As for the game with three balls, I think it is something like you have to
>hit 3 bumpers and both white balls with the red to get a point.. but dont take
>my word for it, anyone actually play?  I know one thing.. it is VERY hard.

Not that hard (remember Janne Alho's words on difficult) just
different. 

Nice to get some discussions here, (where are all the English and snooker players ?)

Jari Kokko.
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Tournamt. of Champs. - Start of '93 PGA season
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:10:15 GMT
Organization: Scripps Inst. of Oceanography - MPL

On Tuesday I went to watch the pro's practice at La Costa. As you probably
know, this year both the Senior and regular tours will play this tournament
from the same set of tees to accomodate Ray Floyd's "double-dipping". They
compromised and set the tees so the course will play about 300 yds shorter for 
the young guys and about 300 yds longer for the old ones. The rough is on the
high side around the greens, the fairways and greens looked pretty good to me.
We're coping with a series of storms, so I know the Pro-Am yesterday was rained
out half-way through it. Right now it's pouring outside, so I suspect they'll
have problems finishing the first round on schedule.

I followed Norman, Wadkins, B.R. Brown and O'Meara on the course. Also watched
Azinger, Kite, Stockton, Stadler play a few holes. Norman looked sharp. As
usual he drives over the back fence of the driving range, when some guys can
barely get to roll up to it. He's using a midsize metal driver and is hitting
looooong and straight. Wadkins looked pretty good with his long irons. B.R.
Brown could't drive a ball. Kite was a bit off with his wedge from the fairway.

A couple of things I noticed: Azinger's bag reads "Hurricane", but he plays
with McGregor irons. Calcavecchia showed up at the range with his Bridgestone
bag and looking as if he had just waken up from a 5-hour nap. He carries his
old Ping irons. I asked one of the Callaway reps and he said that it's pretty
common for a player to sign a contract to carry the bag but not ALL the irons
(or woods) from a manufacturer. Davis Love carries Ping wedges with his TA 845
irons. Ah! Norman has what it looked like graphite in all his irons, just like
D. Love. Azinger too was carrying a midsize driver and he hit his drives very
long (as long as Love in a couple of holes). Couples stayed on the range all
afternoon talking to reps and hitting wedges.

Not very crowded, players relaxed and talkative. Practice round day IMHO is the
best day to watch these guys play for fun. Good way to spend the afternoon.

Martin
-- 
------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: green@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.bruce.green)
Subject: Tempo, etc
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:27:20 GMT


Tempo is a tough thing to describe and not always easy to see.  Some real
jerky looking swings can actually have great tempo.  But with the right
tools it is easy to feel.  I think the simplest description of tempo is 
a rhythm that allows the natural "loading" of the shaft to "release"
efficiently through impact.  Different shaft flexes need different tempos.
Softer flexes are more easily felt.  Try tying a wiffle ball to a string
and swinging it like a golf club.  Only the right tempo will allow the
head (wiffle ball) to follow the intended path.  That's tempo.  I have
a driver with a whippy shaft.  It's great for feeling tempo.

Swing hard. Develop tempo. Have fun. (youth)
Avoid pain. Develop Arthritis.  Curse misfortune. (experience)

					D. Green
From: gf0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary Franko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: re Torrey Pines
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:09:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfGNO_C00WBOA16Y4b
Organization: Heinz School, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


  Torrey Pines is located between La Jolla and Del Mar, about two miles

north of the UCSD campus. 

  There are two courses the North and the South. The South course is where 

the PGA tour plays. I think that it is the only municipal course on the tour.

Both courses border the ocean, at least the cliffs that look over the ocean.

The views are spectacular. 

  I have played both the North and the South couses at least a dozen times

each, I think they are great. 

  When I played there last (about 4 years ago) the green fees were CHEAP,

I think it was something like $13 for 18 holes if you walked. I know that

they were going to at least double the rates that year. 

  
  G.
From: p38448n@puukko.hut.fi (Timo Saarto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: PGA TOUR GOLF
Date: 10 Jan 93 11:02:51 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <C0Jo06.D89@athena.cs.uga.edu> varma@athena.cs.uga.edu (Pratim Varma) writes:
>	I was wondering if someone can really help me out. I have seemed to lostmy length codes for PGA TOUR GOLF for the IBM. I don't know if I can live 
>without this game(I'm not that bad off!). But if someone out there does have 
>these codes could you please send me just one of the course codes, because I
>don't really feel like spending $40  more for a new package.

Apart from pathetic reminders for the importance of honesty, I'd say that
you should let your PGA Tour rest and buy a copy of Links 386 Pro instead.

Refer to newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.pc.games for details.


--


Timo Saarto           :::      I    THINK      ::: Voice: 90/555554
Ulvilantie 29/1 B 18  :::       I   MUST       ::: EMail: tsaarto@otax
00350 HELSINKI        :::  BE   A   MUSHROOM   :::        p38448n@puukko.hut.fi
Somehow I am always left alone in the dark and being fed with lots of horseshit
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: lcn@nlcd00.cft.philips.nl (Leo Noordhuizen)
Subject: Re: Looks like Rome, NY
Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:20:54 GMT

Isaac Kim (kim@guppy.uucp) wrote:
: This new southern California weather sucks.  It's been too wet to play 
: for two weeks now.  I also have had to wear long pants for the last 
: two weeks.  Time to move to better golfing climate.  
: 
: Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
: 
: Oh well, maybe the sun will come out tomorrow and it will be back to
: shorts and a nice dry golf course.

I like people who complain about the weather when they live in
San Diego ! :-)

How about us in Eindhoven, The Netherlands: the last weeks of
december we have been playing on a course which was frozen hard,
from winter tees, on winter greens. Much less fun. Drives going
further, but approach shots bouncing all over the course.

Beginning of last week the temperature changed dramatically:
from below zero to around 10 degrees Celcius with lots of rain.
Result: beginning of the week course closed (half frozen results
in much damage), last saturday: playable but very wet, yesterday
nearly flooded; result course closed.
--
  Leo C. Noordhuizen	          uucp: lcn@nlcd00.cft.philips.nl
  Philips - Automation Technology phone: 31-40-735834
  Building SAQ,                   5600 MD  Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Subject: Watching 3 foot putts (flame bait) was Re: John Daly
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:09:15 GMT

In article <C0Fq3H.6nE@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
>In article <N4HY.92Dec31101433@wahoo.UUCP> n4hy@wahoo.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:
>
>TV golf is boring enough now, with all the 3 foot putts we get to watch,

Suppose that the PGA were to establish a 'gimme zone', say two foot
radius.  If it's in the circle, it's considered in the hole on the next
stroke, so there's no need wasting time lining up the ball, reading the
break, marking, cleaning, and all the other nonsense that pros (sensibly)
do before every putt.  The whole point of professional golf is
entertainment, and it's not entertaining for anyone to watch people
worrying over two footers.


And on a totally unrelated subject:

>The other obvious thing here is that his wife did not press charges.  How
>can you deprive a person of a huge income when no charges have been filed?

Easy.  Criminal conviction is not equivalent to refusal to associate.
Mickey Mantle's activities with gambling organizations were unquestionably
legal, but "Baseball" still felt that it was in their best interests not
to associate with him. The PGA could, in principle, make a similar
decision.  

Whether it's a good idea is a totally different matter.

-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm         
N9LFF                   "Jest not with a craven duck."