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From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: World Travel
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:47:08 GMT


>From article <1992Oct30.200454.2169@knight.vf.ge.com>, by
connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Connolly Sean):
>>
>> ... I met a number of travelers (not 
>> tourists!) who had been on the road for 6 months to two years.
>> 
>> 	If any of you are out there reading this, I would like to get some 
>> advice on how you did it.  I am considering working here for a couple more 
>> years, saving every cent I can, then packing off to see as much of the world
>> as I can for a couple of years.  I survived the summer on about US$24 a day,

>> but that would break me over two years, plus airfare.  I have an EC
>>passport, 
>> so work in Europe is possible and I am ready and willing to do just about
any
>> menial (or even technical) work to get by.  What I would like, if possible, 
>> is some facts about how you did it: costs, job recommendations (types of
work,
>> not employer data), the way you handled the actual travel (airfare, train,
>> etc), vacationing from travel.
>

In terms of expenses, the greatest determining factor is where you go.  If you
travel in the developed countries (U.S., Western europe, japan, Australia, etc)
the money will go quickly.  If you travel in the Third World, your money will
last much longer. In 1980-81 I spent a full year traveling in Africa. I spent
$3000 (US) which covered everything: food, lodging, transport, souveniers. I
did try to travel cheaply, but I met people who were spending half of what I
was. When I traveled in West Europe around the same time I spent much more,
maybe 3 times as much (per day). 

Another determining factor is large cities versus small towns and rural areas.
This applies to both developed and less-developed countries: Paris will be much
more expensive than small French towns; the capital of an African country will
be more expensive than rural villages. In a rural African village you can live
for $1 per day.  Also: the more you move the more you spend.  When you stay put
you save transport costs, you find bargains, plus you get to know a place well.

The best idea is to work at home (where you can get a decent job), save every
penny, and go somewhere cheap.  If you want to work, work in West Europe, or
Japan or the U.S., and spend the money in Africa, or India or South America.

Dan Kester
kester@mte.ncsu.edu
From: hal@biosys.apldbio.com (Hal Beilan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Costa Rica
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:53:21 GMT
Organization: Applied Biosystems Inc, Foster City, CA


I'm planning a trip to Costa Rica around Christmas. I'd appreciate any
recommendations on where to go/stay and any other tips you might have.

Thanks in advance.
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From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)
Subject: Re: Alberta, CANADA
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:51:06 GMT

jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Gostin) writes:

>My husband and I will be going to Alberta in early July, 1993. We're
>going to an international barbershop (music) competition, so we'll
>probably be near a convention area. We most likely will not have a 
>car. 

>We'd like recommendations for restaurants, places to see, how to get
>around town, and what the weather will be like. Neither of us have
>been to Canada before, do we need our passports for a week long stay?

Don't know about passports, but the other questions are a bit hard to answer
without knowing which city (or cities) you'll be at.  Or are you looking for
tips on which places to visit within Alberta?  If so, I must encourage you to
visit Edmonton, site of the world's largest mall.  West Edmonton Mall must be
seen to be believed!  Indoor roller coaster and other rides, indoor wave pool,
dolphin tank, submarine rides, plus 600+ stores.

Also, if you'll be near Calgary and Edmonton in July, I would recommend
(particularly) the Calgary Stampede, which is Calgary's western-style "fair",
with rides, games of skill/chance, and a rodeo.  It's (I think) the largest
event of its kind (love that phrase - it can be so meaningless!) in the world.
Maybe it's the largest rodeo or something.  Hm.  Edmonton has "Klondike Days"
just after Calgary's Stampede finishes.  Same kind of idea without the rodeo.

Calgary also was host of the '88 winter Olympics, so the facilities are still
largely there and can be toured.  Nearby Kananaskis (mountain) provides some
tourist/recreational opportunities.

Also, the Rocky Mountains are fairly nearby, creating part of the border 
between Alberta and its western neighbor, British Columbia.  Banff is a very
popular resort in the Rockies about 1.5 hours drive from Calgary.  (No car,
I know, but it shouldn't be hard to find a bus or special tour from Calgary)
And smaller, less touristy, only slightly less outrageously expensive is
Jasper, north of Banff, about 3-3.5 hours drive west of Edmonton.

If you're coming in July, that's about as hot as it gets in these parts.
Highs of 35 degress Celsius (about 90 degrees F), lows of 10 C (50 F), esp.
in the mountains.  If you're from Georgia, it might be uncomfortably cool!
<smile>  Hmm...there was something else to mention, but I lost it.  Feel
free to e-mail me with any other questions that I didn't answer here.

(Edmonton also has a "Space Sciences Center" with laser light shows and a
well-established IMAX theatre...4-story-high screen, special cameras used to
film...hard to describe - should be experienced!)

>Also some general info would be appreciated -- like what is the
>area known for and what is its history? If there is a tourist bureau
>we can call for info, we'd like the #!

Send me e-mail for the phone number for tourist info - I don't have it handy
right now.

Anyone else with questions about Western Canada, feel free to ask - I'll do
my best!

Bart, Edmonton, Alberta Canada
bart@splunge.uucp
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:24:54 GMT

In <1992Nov08.005841.18173@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.01823.5523@ms.uky.edu> serich00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson) writes:
>>
>>You most likely won't have to do anything for customs.  Most airports I've  
>>been thru outside the US are setup so anyone could make connecting flights  
>>in a special "international" terminal .. and you would only go thru  
>>customs if leaving the airport.
>>
>>Steve

>So if I go through Madrid airport, picking up a flight to another city in
>Spain, do I have to go through customes in Madrid or wait until I reach my
>final destination?  I am confused about this.

>Thanks.

>Alice

These are two very different situations and different things happen in
happen in different places.  If you land at an International airport
and do not enter the country you may not have to clear immigration or
customs.  For example, when you land at Heathrow and are continuing on
to another country you do not have to deal with British immigration or
customs.  If you were, however, going to catch a flight to Manchester
from Heathrow you certainly would have to clear customs and
immigration.  In a very few cases where the plane continues to a
second internatyional airport in the country (without picking up
passengers at the first stop) you may not meet customs until teh
second stop.  Example:  CP has a flight from Hong KOng (could be
Tokyo) that first stops in Vancouver and then Toronto.  Toronto
passengers clear customs and immigration in Toronto.  However, no new
passenegers can board in Vancouver.  So the latter is very exceptional.
From: jem@sm.luth.se (Jan Erik Mostr|m)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: To Steve Dankin at Oceania
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:45:17 GMT
Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden


To the rest of you: Sorry about this mail but ..

Steve
Lately the mail I send to you bounces, Do you have some other mail
address ?

			jem
From: DKAMERUD@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Question: Boscobel Beach Resort, Jamaica
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:04:16 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Has anyone checked-out or stayed at Boscobel Beach, an inclusive-priced
Jamaican resort that (I believe) has a "family" approach (kids club, no
nude beach, etc.)?  I was in the area (Ocho Rios) 10 years ago, but
would like opinions of this resort or others in the Caribbean (or Florida)
that are good bets for bringing the kids (elem. school age).  Issues are
beach and/or pool swimming, babysitters, boat trips, snorkeling, land
activities (tennis, horseback rides, side trips).  I know a place in
Florida with most of these things, but Jamaica would have better weather
and perhaps better prices.  Any parents tried this or the equivalent
Club Meds?
From: jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Gostin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Atlanta
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:41:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst., Modeling & Analysis Lab

In article <11452@cayman.COM> pgf@cayman.COM (Paul Fox) writes:
>hi -- can anyone recommend things to do (or not do) in Atlanta over
>Thanksgiving weekend?  We'll be staying at a hotel in midtown, and will

The Atlanta Marathon and half-marathon are run on Thanksgiving Day.
They are both exciting and fun to watch. The race this year will start
at the stadium (for the marathon), I think at 7:30. The race will
run down Peachtree Street (twice for the marathoners). The runners
really appreciate the people that show up for support (sometimes there
are bands out playing, or people with stereos turned up -- all very
inspiring for the runners!).

>
>Any good places to eat, like in elegant country mansions?  Like especially
>for Thanksgiving dinner?

If you can get out to Marietta (north east of Atlanta), go to The Planters
(actually, I think they recently changed their name to the 1847 House, or
something like that). It is a 13-acre plantation, with absolutely
wonderful food! You'll have to call ahead of time to make sure they're
open for Thanksgiving. They serve a 5-course dinner, normally around
$25-$35 per person.

For something in town, you could go to The Abbey (in an old abbey), or
The Mansion (in an old mansion). These are across the street from each
other, on North Avenue a few blocks east of Peachtree.

jibg

-- 
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Georgia Institute of Technology, GTRI Modeling and Analysis Lab
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Scotland, Edinburgh - Accommodation
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

dawsong@qut.edu.au wrote:
> Arriving in Edinburgh by rail from London on Sunday 17 January...
> I'm seeking information on reasonably priced hotels / accommodation,
> hopefully close to the railway station. 

How long is a piece of string?

We don't know what you think is reasonable.  There's a major hotel, the
Balmoral, right on top of Waverley Station (this one has had trouble
filling rooms since it reopened after a long closure for renovations just
as the Gulf War broke out; I've heard it is good value for a high-end
hotel) and there are at least three others within two or three minutes'
walk.  All B&Bs are much further away, maybe half an hour's walk or ten
minutes by taxi.  The Tourist Information Office is in the Waverley Market
complex, also right above the station; if you arrive during the day you
should ask there.

The Insight Guide to Edinburgh is worth looking at before you get there.
It has the usual phone numbers you'd expect from a guidebook but the
descriptive stuff has more life to it than most of the competition.

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From: hjb@otter.hpl.hp.com (Harry Barman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:06:53 GMT
Subject: Re: tv systems in uk and switzerland..
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.travel

The UK uses PAL, at a guess I'd say the Swiss use PAL too.  

The UK uses a slightly different broadcasting standard for PAL (sound is
in a different place), but this shouldn't be a problem if you are just
wanting to take a video tape from UK to Switzerland.

Cheers,

Harry

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From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt)
Subject: Re: World Travel
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.203406.15597@esd.dl.nec.com>, gilbert@esd.dl.nec.com (Russell Gilbert) writes:
 
> I recently returned from a 10 month trip around the world ...
 
> I saw a lot of people that did the save/work thing, but it always seemed
> to me that their costs of living while they worked didn't leave much
> to be saved.  It's hard to find a job in a foreign country that pays
> well, is temporary, and that you can find quickly.  Even if you have a
> professional skill.  Because the more professional it is, the more
> they'll want you for long-term (and you'll have to wear *nice* 
> clothes - hard to do when you're backpacking).  But, of course, it
> can be done.
 
I'm interested in hearing more about how realistic the option of working
while travelling is.  Do you know of people who did that?  Has anyone 
else travelled around the world while working?  It must be extremely 
hard to arrange.  Are there employment/travel agents who arrange those
kinds of experiences?  I would love to start with $10,000 or so and 
work my way around the world over a period of, maybe, two years--spending
two weeks to two months in any given place.  I wouldn't expect to *save*
any money, just stretch out my $10,000 and be able to spend enough time
to feel that I had done more than skim the surface.
 
And what about employment after you return?  Does anybody have experience
with the kind of reaction you get from prospective employers?  Do they see
it as valuable international experience, evidence of adventurousness,
frivolous?  Were you and your wife able to take a leave of absence or did
you have to look for a job when you returned?
 
> P.S.  I guess I never did say, but the trip was fantastic!

It sounds just great.  All the places you mentioned sound good.  What
really stood out as being outstanding for you?  Which places were
disappointing?
-- 
Jaclyn Brandt
jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
--
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: World Travel
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:11:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.001635.4285@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
> I think there are a lot of lurkers in rec.travel and people who only 
> subscribe when they are about to go somewhere.
> 
> To start a new group we need >100 people interested.

Well, I'd be interested.

> We also need a catchy name.
> 
> I suggest
> rec.travel.travellers
> or even better
> rec.travel.lers

Ack, no!  I hope you're not serious!  A name needs to convey some
real information about what goes on in that group.  I think that
the previously suggested rec.travel.adventure is ideal.

-- 
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Customs in L.A.????
Keywords: customs
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:30:16 GMT

u9227164@cc.uow.edu.au (Neil P Dillon) wrote: 
->I am going to be flying from Sydney to Chicago via L.A.
->I was wondering, where do I go through customs??  My bags will be checked
->all the way to Chicago, so would I go through customs in L.A. or Chicago.
->Can anyone give me insight?  Thanks in advance

los angeles.  

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From: haertig@gmd.de (Hermann Haertig)
Subject: Re: French train fares soar
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:31:58 GMT

In <1460300129@igc.apc.org> Eric Fenster <efenster@igc.apc.org> writes:

> Finally, the Inter Rail card which allowed European youth to travel at a
>fixed price (like the Eurail Pass) is being abandoned, largely on the
>argument that it's "old" and it's time for a change.

No! It is still available (currently for DM 510.-).

--hermann haertig
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From: joshee@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jeetendra R. Joshee)
Subject: Re: NEPAL
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:33:24 GMT

In article <g88h6136.6.721380044@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g88h6136@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GS HILL) writes:
>I'm keen on the great outdoors, and what I mean by that is avoiding inns and 
>organised hikes. In other words, 2-man tenting in the wild far from signs of 
>civilisation. Is that possible to do in Nepal? I'm aware of the cold, but I 
>am well equipped and experienced in sleeping in cold weather! How does one 
>go about organising a proper hike? Please inform an ignorant soul. Thanks!
******************************************************************************

Well! A simple answer to your question is YES. Although tourism is the fastest
growing industry in Nepal, and most of the trekking routes are crowded with
tourists, there are many places in Nepal where you can be alone and out of
touch from rest of the world. Even the popular trekking routes like Pokhara
to Annapurna and the one that leaves from Dumre have beautiful spots where
you wouldn't be bothered by other people. Depending on the time of the year
you travel, it ain't that cold as many people think because of the Himalayas.
There are nice river valleys along the trek where temperature is considerably
higher than the mountain tops. There are enough Trekking Agencies in Kathmandu
where you can get information and package tours.
From: tron@locus.com (Michael Trofimoff)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Place to stay in Napa, California
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:23:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

Hi All,

My fiance and I are planning a trip to Napa for the New Year's '93
weekend.  Could anyone recommend a great place to stay?  We're looking
for something kind of quiet, inexpensive, romantic, etc... I'm sure
you know the "vibe".

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Michael T.

e-mail: tron@locus.com		*Vidi, vici, veni*	Voice: (310)337-5919
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: DRIVING ACROSS THE FRUITED PLAINS (USA)
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:01:04 GMT

pwebb@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Peter Webb) writes:

>Take I-10 from LA to I-40 in Arizona (maybe you can get I-40 in CA somewhere).
>Follow I-40 through St. Louis to I-70 in Indiana (Indianapolis).  Take I-70
>to Columbus Ohio, then go north on (I-forget) to I-80 through PA. Before I-80
>emerges in NJ, go north on I-87 into NY and either follow it up into Canada or
>catch the Mass Pike (I-90) West to I-91 North and go up that way.  I'm not
>sure which is the best way to Montreal.

The best way from NY is up 87.  For something more interesting, one could
also cut over to Burlington, VT after going up 87 and then going up 89 and
crossing the boarder there.

-Noah Cole
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From: hsternli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Howard Sternlieb)
Subject: Re: HELP renting a car
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:08:59 GMT

    Some of the cheapest rental deals are available if you have AAA.
Also, if by chance you are affiliated with a mjor corporation, even as
a p/t employee, many times the rental companies will waive < 25
surcharges.

    I'm > 25 and I swear by AAA rates with Avis or Hertz.  I really
don't like 2nd or 3rd tier rental companies.  Also, try a Ford
dealership.  They've been known to have some decent deals.


-- 

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From: hans@midway.tdd.sj.nec.com (Hans Altenhofen  x3809)
Subject:  Safari Advice Wanted for Kenya and Tanzania
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:34:36 GMT

I'll be traveling to Kenya this coming Christmas for about 3 weeks.
I plan to book a photo safari package after arriving in Kenya.  I would 
appreciate any information you have concerning safari companies, safari
prices, hotels in Nairobi, and other insightful tips and bits.

Thanks,

Hans Altenofen
hans@tdds.sj.nec.com


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From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Subject: Re: World Travel
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:52:12 GMT



My trip was in 1984-85, and only 5 months.  My sister and I pooled our
resources, and basically traveled till the money ran out.  With the
dollar as high as it was back then, we spent about $9000 for both of
us, traveling through much of Europe except Scandinavia.  The trip 
included a 2-week Intourist-run tour in the Soviet Union that we
arranged from London.  We rented a car for one month (a "deux chevaux",
what a car!) to drive through Eastern Europe, then took trains in
Western Europe.  We flew People's Express to and from London.  

At the time we heard tales from other travelers about how they would
teach English in Japan for a while to earn enough money to travel with
for 6 months or so.  Apparently it was a lucrative job, much better
than could be had in Europe.  But I don't know how true that was then
or if it holds now.  

With only 5 months to budget, I wouldn't want to have spent time
working.  There was so much to see, the 5 months flew by (except for
a few cold rainy lonely tired miserable days -- every traveller has
one of those occasionally!).  If I had 2 years to travel, then maybe
I would consider working.

My general uneducated impression is that in most places in the world,
unskilled jobs have plenty of legal resident candidates, and no need 
to hire foreigners and risk legal problems.  This probably holds most
true in the places where there's the most money to be earned.  As for
technical/skilled jobs, those types of work permits are hard to come
by, especially in recessionary times.  

But hey, some people make it work.  More power to them!