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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:13:00 LCL
Reply-To:     "Giorgos Kavallieratos" <GIORGOS@GREARN.BITNET>
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From:         "Giorgos Kavallieratos" <GIORGOS@GREARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: EAS - APERGIES - GENIKA....

Tha statho sto mail tou Gianni Velissarakou

>
> 	Giwrgo, eisai sigouros oti exeis mpei se lewforeio ths A0hnas; :))
>  E, oxi kai den ginontai ayta sthn A0hna.

Nai, kai malista mporousa na vasisto apokleistika stis sungoinonies
gia metakinisi mou (meno Peiraia apo to 1976).

> na ekanan apergia olos o kosmos. Ayta einai krath re gamwto kai gia emena
> htan magkia ths kybernhshs pou den ekane pisw. Opws tote kai me tous
> ka0hghtes. Kai isws ayth th fora na ekane la0os epiloges (den 3erw) alla
> toulaxiston edwse thn entypwsh sto lao oti pleon 0a ginetai oti einai pio
> swsto gia thn Ellada kai gia oxi gia to atomo.... 0ymamai dyo apergies sthn

Ontos kai ego kataxoro san thetiko ths kyvernisis oti MEXRI STIGMHS den
skeftetai to politiko kostos. Alla, 1) afto den shmainei oti panta kanei
sosta kai panta dra sosta, opote tha tous vgazoume panta to kapelo. Den
isxyei to 'parta ola epeidh eisai mangas kai tsaboukas'. Ase pou to 'sosto
gia thn Ellada' metafrazetai me diaforous tropous, pou synithos prokaloune
mono syxamara.
2) den kseroume poso kairo tha isxyei afto. As perimenoume na doume mhpos
ta esoda metafrastoune pros paroxes se 'hmeterous'.

> Amerikh. Mia otan akoma den hmoun edw, opou oi aeroelegktes thn eidan
> wraioi kai apofasisan na kanoun apergia. Gyrnaei o Regkan kai tous dinei
> dyo meres dioria eidalws oloi pairnoun gia dwraki mia apolysh. E, opoios
> den gyrise phre to trito to kalytero kai thn ekane gia to spitaki tou.
> To idio egine kai me thn apergia twn ypallhlwn sta trena, nomizw.
> AYTA EINAI KRATH RE GAMWTO.....
>
Eyxaristo den tha paro. Apo ta parapano mou fainetai katharo oti
amfisviteis to dikaioma ths apergias ston ergazomeno. Den tha
krino ta pistevo sou, apla rotao otan mia kyvernhsi exei ta mesa
ths na perasei thn politiki ths, dikaih i adiki, (mesa=MAT,'epeigonta' nomo-
sxedia kai den symmazevetai) den nomizeis oti tha eprepe kai oi ergazomenoi
na exoune ena meso gia na perasoune thn, dikaih h adiki pali, antidrash tous?

Ean to paixnidi paizetai se tablo gia enan, ego afto den to xarakthrizo
dhmokratia. Prepei kai oi dyo plevres na exoune ta opla tous.

>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Se 1.5 xrono douleias h 245 meres htane apergies. Pws na mhn mpei mesa;;;
> >
> Otan exeis na kaneis me xontropetsous, einai sostotero na se poune malaka
> otan tha foras thn kordela 'APERGW' kai douleveis?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> 	Den 3erw ean katalaba ayth sou thn apanthsh sto Spyro. Telos pantwn.

Tha to ekshgiso. Einai h allh opsh enos nomismatos. As poume ta dyo akra.
Epishmainontas mou kati akraio epishmaino kai ego kati pou einai akraio.
Apla den vgainei akri na vriskoume aformes gia na leme 'fate tous'.

>
> 	Sygnwmh kai apo emena alla h0ela na ta pw.... Giwrgo sorry ean
>  antilegw alla den dexomai orismena pragmata pou bgazoun panta thn ka0e
>  kybernhsh to lyko kai tous ergazomenous thn kokkinoskoufitsa... :))
>
Eykairia na oloklhroso edo, me afth sou thn parathrhsh. Ean thelei na deiksei
h kathe kyvernhsh oti den einai lykos, eas peiraksei ta 'sosta' atoma. Mesa
sta apeira paradeigmata pou yparxoune ego sou dialeksa to trantaxto ths
ekklisias gia na mhn epektatho kai allou. As arxisei apo ekei prota.
Ego pistevo oti h kathe kyvernhsh exei na kanei me anthropous, kai oi
anthropoi katalavainoune kai ektimoune sostes protheseis. Ean o Ellinas eixe
diakrinei entimothta stis protheseis ths kyvernisis den tha ginotane afto
pou ginetai. Vevaia, panta tha yphrxane oi antidrontes, alla h fonh tous
tha akougotane os kravgh voontos en th erhmw kai tha htane apomonomenoi.

Pote den mporeis na valeis sto perithorio taraxes kai na peis oti einai aney
shmasias, akoma kai an ginontai apo hooligans. Ola exoune logous pou shkonoune
analysh. Poly perissotero otan ergazomenoi anthropoi ginontai hooligans.
Exo ksanapei oti einai ths modas na kathgoroume ton 'neoellina' san
nootropia, ksexnontas oti emeis oi idioi eimaste mesa se afto to synolo.
Skefthte to omos... kathe fora pou leme neoellinas... den afhnoume ton eafto
mas ap'ekso? To n-1 pou leme?

Gia na deiksei aftos o neoellinas ergo, prepei na apokthsei empistosyni.
Empistosyni pou pote den eixe kai synexeia prodidetai.Th mia me ti symperifora
kyvernhseon, thn allh me anyparkta apotelesmata oso kai an tou yposxontan
alla. Kai mhn vgalete thn torini kyvernisi ap'ekso mias kai den teleiose h
thitia ths kai proxora akathekth. Pos na ths deiksei kaneis empistosyni otan
dhlosh  ypourgou sto kratiko kanali na  leei 'mesa sto 1992 den tha exoume
alles afkshseis'.Ma mas doulevoune kanonika? teleionei o avgoustos, posous
mhnes exei akoma to 1992? Volivia  tha ginoume pou afksanoune ta pramata
kathe mera? Ase pou meta vgainei anakinosh pou thn sigouria ths prohgoumenis
thn anairei me ena 'pithanotata na mhn ginoune alles afkshseis sto 92'
'alla parola afta desmevomaste na mhn ginoune'. Ti na pistepseis apo ola
afta? Den polyakouo eidiseis, alla afto einai to pio prosfato paradeigma
pou eixa.
Opote peste mou, mporeis na deikseis pleon empistosyni? Mporeis na mhn skefteis
oti tha se fane ama den antidraseis? Giati den lene dobra kai starata apo thn
arxh ti prokeitai na epakolouthisei kai olo fernoune ton kosmo pro ekplhkseon
kai nomosxedion pou pshfizontai 'en tw mesw ths nyktos'?
Ti einai ola afta? entimothta?

Pou einai o dialogos Gianni otan kai o idios mou aneferes 'h kyvernhsh eipe...'
'oi apergoi den ekanan'. Mhpos h kyvernhsh 'syzhthse'? Ego metafrazo 'dietakse'
Kai vevaia... to allo geloio. Sygrxonos me thn EAS as tous 'syroume' kai se
'dialogo' gia to asfalistiko. H GSEE den paei fysika logo EAS. E proxorame moni
mas afto den thelame alloste? Tonizo kai ksanatonizo oti h kyvernisi h
syngekrimenh exei deiksei kathara oti apexthanetai afto pou leme 'dialogo'.
Ksanaeipa kai sthn arxh, thetiko einai oti den skeftontai politiko kostos
h toulaxiston etsi deixnoun. Alla afto den shmainei oti panta exoune dikio
otan proxorane etsi.

Ara... pos na mhn katalavo tous apergous ths EAS? Paroti 'kaigetai to
spiti tou geitona' katalavaino kapote mporei na kaei kai to diko mou.
Den eimai oute o mangas oute o oraios pou den tha ton akoumphsoune
pote adika epeidi doulevei kai den enoxlei kanena. As kerdisei prota
h kyvernisi thn empistosyni tou kosmou gia na mhn fainetai san lukos.

> sas xairetw,
> yiannis
> .
Giorgos
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