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From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:34:59 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1993Jan7.4@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>Considering wild and ridiculous theories as "reasonable" explanations
>that will cast doubt on clear evidence is becoming more common among
>some juries.  The Kahane/Nosair case was quite remarkable in this
>respect.  It took the Rosenbaum/Nelson case to wake people up to
>recognize a trend emerging.

Perhaps this trend is not so nefarious as you think. Ever heard of FIJA?
Stands for Fully Informed Jury Act (or Ammendment..can't remember). Anyway,
it means that juries should have the right to decide on not only whether 
a defendent is guilty of a particular crime, but whether the law that has
resulted in a crime is just or reasonable.

If a jury decides that someone is innocent of growing pot because the
cultivation laws are bankrupt, this is all to the good in my opinion.
It's not a particularly large to leap for a jury to let someone off if
they believe the justice system is bankrupt, and that fellow members of
their interest group have been historically persecuted under such a system.

								    MPA
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:09:16 GMT

In article <C0GvtK.Czt@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:

>>Every culture brings with it some negatives - because people aren't
>>perfect. But every culture also brings with it some positives. Every
>>culture that has come to America has changed after it got here, and as
>>it has changed, it has changed the culture around it. Every group has
>>made unique contributions to the culture that we are a part of. 

>That may have been true in the past but the vast majority of people
>attempting to enter at this time bring nothing but misery with them.
>We don't need anymore wretched refuse.  It's time to send the 
>Statue of Liberty somewhere else.  Perhaps to Isreal.  They seem to
>want immigrants,  we don't need anymore.  The bucket is full.  NO
>HELP WANTED.

You're right, Jack.  Go back where you came from.  We don't need you,
you wretched refuse.  All you do is bring misery.

I think I'm going to put that one in my .sig file.  "It's time to send
the Statue of Liberty somewhere else."

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Is it too early to start making predictions for 1993?
niepornt@phoenix.    | Probably, but that never stopped me before.
   princeton.edu     | ALE: Baltimore ALW: Chicago NLE: Montreal NLW: Atlanta
Baltimore Orioles 93 | AL MVP: Cal Ripken  AL Cy Young: Mike Mussina
From: kartik@hls.com (Kartik Chandrasekhar)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: India and Afghanistan
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:50:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>Tell them at the Kashmiri border that you are an American free lance
>journalist and see how far into the country you get.  Maybe you can do
>better than the respected journalist, whose first hand report I heard, 
>who declared himself a tourist and feared for his safety if discovered  
>the whole time he was there.  Stories in Kashmir are obtained a bit
>differently in Kashmir these days than in San Diego.

He probably had more to fear from the terrorists than from the Indian
Armed forces. The militants in Kashmir supported by Islamic 
fundementalists and Pakistan are engaged in their own ethnic cleansing 
in the valley.

They have driven people out of Kashmir and have often kidnapped and
killed many foriegners and tourists who are declared to be infidels. 
Sometimes its their 'revealing' clothes that have drawn the ire of 
these fundementalists. The same problem is now raising its head in 
Egypt seriously affecting the 3 billion $ tourism industry.. The locals 
in Kashmir have not been spared either according to the frequent 
reports of  widespread rape and murder. 

The international media usually falls prey to the temptation of being
anti-establishment. In this case it is imperative that a balanced 
viewpoint is presented. 

The 'controlled media' phenomenon is not restricted to India alone. 
Even western countries have used these tactics for manipulating and 
influencing the information feed to the people. Prime examples
are, the IRA problem in UK and operation Desert Storm. As these
examples indicate these tactics are sometimes neccesary and in
fact save lives.

ck
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From: harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Followup-To: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Organization: DEC - Customer Support Center, Alpharetta, GA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:53:13 GMT

niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) asks:

	"Hispanic" barbarians, huh?  Why the quotation
	marks around Hispanic?
 

 With characteristic megalomania Mr. Schmidling claims:

	Because it a meaningless, Madison Avenue word.   To give it
	meaning, I created Hispania.


Assuming that Mr. Schmidling means that he coined the word and not that
he created the territory, this is still quite an amazing achievement!

According to _Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language_:

	Hispania, n. [Poetic], Spain: the Latin name. --Hispanic, adj.


Which makes Mr. Schmidling older than Julius Caesar!  Is it any wonder
he behaves like such a senile old fart given his extreme age?

As usual, the only meaningless words here are Mr. Schmidling's
facts and arguments, and they are not even up to Madison Avenue's
low standards.


Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:17:55 GMT

In <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>>society?

>>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?

>First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
>pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.

Where?

And we'd be better off if you had stayed out of the country, too.

>I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
>to import them into this country.

It's sort of odd to say "other" cultures when you live in the United
States, since there isn't a native culture here at all.  Virtually *all*
of the culture in this country was imported.

>The one tragic incident was the result of thousands of individual acts
>of barbarism, anyone of which could have ended the same way.

>Time to take your liberal head out of the sand and quit making excuses
>for a bad idea.

What's the bad idea in this case?  Shooting guns in the air?  No one is
defending that.  (Of course, if you read the net, all liberals are
gun-grabbing lunatics who don't think anyone should own guns, so
obviously it can't be a liberal position to defend this.)

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Is it too early to start making predictions for 1993?
niepornt@phoenix.    | Probably, but that never stopped me before.
   princeton.edu     | ALE: Baltimore ALW: Chicago NLE: Montreal NLW: Atlanta
Baltimore Orioles 93 | AL MVP: Cal Ripken  AL Cy Young: Mike Mussina
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:57:28 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan5.093033.1057@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
]In article <C0C66B.96w@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
]|>  I frequently get called all sorts of names for being less 
]|>  than enthusiastic about our so-called "multicultural 
]|>  society".  Here is a good example of the blessing it brings 
]|>  to our once peaceful country.....
]|>  
]
]"our once peaceful country....."???
]So America was better and more peaceful when the white man shot at
]the Indians, and hit the black?
]The American history is filled with abuse and opression. Note that
]in your, hardly representative, example, the people fired guns in
]celebration and out of joy, not to exterminate Indians, or kill
]blacks, something the white man used to.

WORLD history is filled with abuse and oppression. At least in America,
unlike most other countries that have a multicultural history, we
try to do something about it. It is all well and good for you to sit
in Sweden, which has not had a multicultural society, and condemn us, but
I don't think you have a clue as to how it works.

Today's multiculturalism is IMHO a mistake. The old philosophy of the
"melting pot" worked well except for blacks and Indians, who were excluded
for other reasons. Now that we have MOSTLY removed racism, there is no
reason for it not to work for all. Unfortunately, the "multiculturalists" have
now declared war on the majority culture, while trying to isolate each
immigrant (voluntary or otherwise) culture. The result is a huge increase
in racially motivated crimes by blacks, a huge increase in racial tensions,
and a Kulturefog which seeks to destroy what is good along with what
is bad.

Naturally, the multiculturalists claim that it is a good thing to set
ethnic groups against each other; to constantly harp on injustices -real
or perceived; and to instituted censorship in order to protect the
feelings of non-white individuals (as if they needed these self annointed
guardians). Anyone with a whit of sense realises that these tactics are
going to increase racial tension, increase unfairness, and further
polarize the American society. Many multiculturalists desire this, as
they see it as the only way to destroy what they view as an unjust
society. To them, all I have to say is... go live in Bosnia or somewhere
and let the rest of us work to get along with each other.

-- 
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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:34:35 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
: In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
: >be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
: >society?
: >
: >Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
: >celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
: >cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?
: 
: 
: First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
: pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.
: 
: I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
: to import them into this country.
: 
: The one tragic incident was the result of thousands of individual acts
: of barbarism, anyone of which could have ended the same way.
: 
: Time to take your liberal head out of the sand and quit making excuses
: for a bad idea.
: 
: js              

Gee, Jack- you're right!  The fact that some hispanics celebrate 
New Years Day by firing guns into the air DOES invalidate the
entire idea of multiculturalism.  Why didn't I think of that
before?  I've been so blind!
So, then, WASP culture is pretty much invalidated by the fact that
thousands of the treacherous bastards pour into the woods every 
year on the first day of deer season and get stinko, blazing away
at anything that moves and resulting in more deaths every year even
than that evil old hispanic tradition, huh?  
Now an enlightened being,
Bill
  
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:16:31 GMT

In article <C0C66B.96w@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|>   
|>    Firing guns to celebrate the new year is customary in 
|>  Hispanic communities from Los Angeles to this Miami suburb. 
|>  Random deaths and injuries from the gunfire are not 
|>  uncommon.
|>  
|>  To believe that multiculturalism somehow improves our 
|>  society is just plain liberal mush.  What sort of blessing 
|>  is it to force our police officers to hide from "Hispanic" 
|>  barbarians when they should be out on the streets?
 
 If firing guns on New Year's Eve were an "American" tradition going
back to 1776, ARF would no doubt be defending it as a patriotic right,
protected by the sacred 2nd amendment.
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From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:30:33 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <C0C66B.96w@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|> 
|>  
|>  I frequently get called all sorts of names for being less 
|>  than enthusiastic about our so-called "multicultural 
|>  society".  Here is a good example of the blessing it brings 
|>  to our once peaceful country.....
|>  

"our once peaceful country....."???
So America was better and more peaceful when the white man shot at
the Indians, and hit the black?
The American history is filled with abuse and opression. Note that
in your, hardly representative, example, the people fired guns in
celebration and out of joy, not to exterminate Indians, or kill
blacks, something the white man used to.


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Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:26 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM

In article <1993Jan12.115131.2396@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
says:
>It is strange how Jack's "ungrammatical" sentence structure is found
>over and over again in Louis Lamour's novels.  Of course Lamour was one
>of the best selling authors we have ever had.  The American people seem
>to like this "pretentious" style since Lamour sold how many books?...
>64 million? [oops, pardon my lack of proper grammar].  Why is it that
>when people run short on logic they start nitpicking grammar and typooooos?

At least I displayed a better grasp of logic before it "ran out" in your opi-
nion,Mr. Gaut. Not suprisingly,Mr. Schmidling displayed absolutely _no_ such
logic in the first place,from when he started this thing up until he supposed-
ly bowed out of it.

Likewise,I tend to nitpick when stupid people start writing stupid things and
then have the gall to call it "logic". So what's your point? You mean to tell
me that _you've_ never lost your temper on netnews at all?

BTW,I've never read Lamour,and if 64 Million people were to suddenly decide
that maybe it would be a Really Cool Trend to slash their wrists and stick
them in a filled sink or bathtub,would I be out of touch if I failed to
engage in such a Really Cool Trend?

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
From: bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:00:59 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <C0GvtK.Czt@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:

> 
> That may have been true in the past but the vast majority of people
> attempting to enter at this time bring nothing butt misery with them.
> We don't need anymore wretched refuse.  It's time to send the 
> Statue of Liberty somewhere else.  Perhaps to Isreal.  They seem to
> want immigrants,  we don't need anymore.  The bucket is full.  NO
> HELP WANTED.
> 
> js

	My Great-Granfather used to tell me about signs like this:

	NIGHT WATCHMAN WANTED
	GOOD PAY
	INQUIRE WITHIN

	*IRISH NEED NOT APPLY*

	I'm sure the fella who put that sign up so many uyears ago would agree
with you, Jack.

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From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Summary: So what else is new?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:06:18 GMT

In article <C0GvtK.Czt@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
> >
> >Every culture brings with it some negatives - because people aren't
> >perfect. But every culture also brings with it some positives. Every
> >culture that has come to America has changed after it got here, and as
> >it has changed, it has changed the culture around it. Every group has
> >made unique contributions to the culture that we are a part of. 
> 
> That may have been true in the past but the vast majority of people
> attempting to enter at this time bring nothing butt misery with them.
> We don't need anymore wretched refuse.  It's time to send the 
> Statue of Liberty somewhere else.  Perhaps to Isreal.  They seem to
> want immigrants,  we don't need anymore.  The bucket is full.  NO
> HELP WANTED.
> 
> js


So when *wasn't* the "bucket full"?  There isn't a single argument
against immigration today that I haven't seen in books written
in the 1970's, the 50's the 20's the 1800's.  Every group that has
ever immigrated to America has fought against that prejudice to
be taken seriously as "real American's" and then joined with their
former enemies to try and pull up the ladder. There's no one more
forgetful than a 2nd+ generation American.

Back in New Jersey, one of the most strident letter writers to
a local paper is a guy from the John Birch Society.  They've
published several of his letters that could have been lifted from
1920's populist literature (and probably were).  All about how
these new people will never become "real Americans" like us. and
how they will never learn English, never get jobs, never amount
to anything, will fill our jails and insane asylums etc etc etc.
That guys name is "Oswelzski"!  Only in America could this guy
get away with this kind of crap without even being reminded that
under his own rules his father, grandfather or whatever would
have been refused entry to this country as "undersirable", thereby
robbing him of his chance to be a "real American".

In the 1940's Bill Mauldin drew a cartoon showing a guy sitting
in front of a log cabin at the Eastern shore of North America
as a boat (that looked suspiciously like the Mayflower) pulled
into the harbor - "More dang immigrants!" he cries "I swear this
country is getting to a dumping ground for Europe's trash!"


marc colten


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From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:45:02 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL


 
                STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
 
 
 The Statue of Liberty was given to Americans by the French 
 government in 1886 as a token of friendship between the two 
 countries.  The statue was to symbolize America's hard won 
 freedom and liberty.
 
 However, as a result of a propaganda campaign by immigrant 
 lobbyists, most Americans have come to think that the statue 
 represents some sort of inalienable committment to an "open 
 door", immigration policy.
 
 The truth is that in 1926, Emma Lazarus successfully lobbied 
 to get her now famous lines added to the statue.  The result 
 is that everytime the idea of limiting immigration is 
 brought up, these lines are quoted and the subject dropped 
 as just plain un-American.
 
 Most of us know the first few lines of her poem but when we 
 hear them all, they take on a rather different complexion, 
 particularly in light of the present over-populated and 
 under-skilled society in America today.
 
 "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning 
 to breathe free, THE WRETCHED REFUSE OF YOUR TEEMING SHORE, 
 send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
                ........................
 
 We have enough of our own wretched refuse; we don't need 
 anymore.  It's time to take down the help wanted sign.  
 
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