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From: sasrer@unx.sas.com (Rodney Radford)
Subject: RCA Camcorder forsale
Summary: Complete, with several optional accessories - great buy!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:19:03 GMT
Distribution: triangle
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

  RCA CLR200 Camcorder........................................$400

     + Accepts fullsize VHS tapes, no adapter needed to play the
       tapes on any standard VHS tapeplayer
     + 6:1 power zoom (or can be manually zoomed)
     + Auto, or manual, focus
     + Macro feature permits use as close as 3/8 inch from subject
     + Automatic white balance 
     + Builtin electronic viewfinder and microphone
     + Quick review buttom for viewing the last few seconds of video
     + Cables for hooking the camera to TV audio/video jacks
     + 1hour rechargable batter (optional 3 hour battery also included)
     + Battery charger can also be hooked directly to camera for continous
       record/play mode.

  Other accessories (included in the above price):

     + Character Generator (CGA020)
       For adding titles, or automatically putting date/time on tape
     + Record Start/Stop Remote Switch (CRM010)
     + Long Play Battery (CB120), for 3hours of use
     + Carrying Case (KK040), hard shell case with padded areas for protecting
       the camera and all accessories

The camera is in excellent condition, and my wife and I have used it to
record some of our pre-wedding parties, our first (and only) child, birthday
parties, etc, and I know that you will enjoy it as well.  The only problem 
with it is an intermittent connection on the microphone which causes the audio 
to cut in and out while recording.  I kept planning on carrying it in to a VCR 
repair shop, but my father inlaw recently gave me the use of his video camera 
so we no longer need this one.

If you are interested, send email to sasrer@unx.sas.com, or call me at work
at 677-8000 x7703, or home at 469-9359.

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Rodney Radford          || Computer Graphics/Imaging
sasrer@unx.sas.com      || SAS Institute, Inc.
(919) 677-8000 x7703    || Cary, NC  27513

Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
From: saswta@terrapin.unx.sas.com (Bill Arnette)
Subject: Computer cart for sale -- $50
Originator: saswta@terrapin.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:18:16 GMT
Distribution: triangle
Organization: The Village


Computer cart:

	- slide out keyboard shelf
        - slide out printer shelf
	- bays for printer paper and output
        - casters

Asking price : $50
-- 
Bill Arnette, SAS Institute Inc.  (919)677-8000x6193  | saswta@unx.sas.com
SAS Campus Drive, Cary, NC 27513  (919)677-8123(fax)  | ...!mcnc!sas!saswta
Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
From: eahelms@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC AUGUSTUS HELMS)
Subject: USED PC PARTS FOR SALE
Originator: eahelms@c00465-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: eahelms@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:57:22 GMT


I am posting this for my father:


The Helms PC Parts Exchange:

	Please call Michael Helms at 919-286-0209 for all types of USED
								   ---- 
	PC parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

		-Hard Drives
		-Hard Drive Controllers
		-PC and XT boards
		-Floppy Drive Controllers
		-Floppy Drives (5.25)
		-ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Will negotiate for all items!  Call evenings or leave messages on the 
answering machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	If you're looking for it, he probably has it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: jwucb@acpub.duke.edu (Jiashin Wu)
Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
Subject: pc-clone hardware forsale/wanted
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:58:19 GMT
Distribution: triangle
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


FORSALE: Cyrix 83D87-40 mathcoprocessor
	Brand new, never used, still in oringinal package with registration
	card. It is the best and fastest math-coprocesser for 80386DX 
	computer. Rated 40 mHz. Can work at any frequency from 16mHz to 
	40 mHz. Reason for sale: none of my current software can take the 
	advantage of a math-coprocessor and I will buy a 486 computer when
	I need it in future.
	Asking price: $85+shipping.

FORSALE: MFM hard/floopy disk controller 
	MFM 2HD/2FD AT-BUS controller, in perfect working condition.
	Asking price: best offer

WANTED: RLL Hard/floopy disk controller, must be in working condition.
Xref: sparky triangle.forsale:2462 misc.forsale.computers:46161
From: lhb@isds.duke.edu (Leslie H. Boyd)
Newsgroups: triangle.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Mac Powerbook Wanted
Keywords: Mac
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:55:20 GMT
Followup-To: poster

A friend would like to purchase a used low-end Mac
Powerbook.

If you have one for sale, please email details,
including price, to:

  weiwang@kuroshio.geo.duke.edu
Newsgroups: bnr.rtp.classifieds,triangle.forsale
From: abare@bnr.ca (Andrew Bare P025)
Subject: Wanted: 5 watt Citizen Band radio
Followup-To: triangle.forsale
Reply-To: abare@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Inc., Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:48:28 GMT


 I am looking for an old model Realistic 5 watt CB radio.  Any older
 CB radio will do.  Or if you know of a store that might be carrying
 something like this...that would be helpful too.
 
 I am not limited to Realistic...


Sorry, repeat - wanted wider distribution.

-- 
Andrew Bare   abare@bnr.ca    WARNING: My view...NOT BNR's!
"All they can say is NO." - Anonymous USMC.
"Can't means Can Try." - Ms. Alice Harper, 1977 - AJHS Band
Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
From: ubillr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (William Richardson)
Subject: BUY ME !!!!
Keywords: Home
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: triangle
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:22:19 GMT


Three bedroom home for sale in Chapel Hill. This
traditional ranch home is in Glen Heights on .5
acres. Central air, natural gas furnace, hardwood
floors, attached car port, 12 by 10 wired workshop,
new kitchen, screened porch, and more. 1200 square 
feet of heated living space . Close to town, the
University and on the school bus route for both Phillips 
middle school and Chapel Hill High School. List price
of $94,900. 
 
Please call Mike or Susan at 919-933-8684 for further 
information.

Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
From: Daniel.Carr@launchpad.unc.edu (Daniel Carr)
Subject: Re: Walker, Bedside Commode, Lafstrong (sp?) Crutches
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: triangle
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 03:30:12 GMT

>I have   Walker, Bedside Commode, Lafstrong (sp?) Crutches
>for sale.
>The commode has never been used.

i recommend Uncle Sam's Raisin Bran.

dc
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Newsgroups: ncsu.general,triangle.forsale
From: ltaranti@unity.ncsu.edu (Larry J Tarantino)
Subject: WANTED: Two tickets to Alison Krauss
Originator: ltaranti@post.cc.ncsu.edu
Organization: NCSU 
Distribution: triangle
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:57:38 GMT


WANTED: Two tickets to Alison Krauss & Union Station
                       Sat, Jan 23, Stewart Theatre

If you have two to sell, call Larry at 515-7661 (before 5pm), or send
mail to ltaranti@unity.ncsu.edu or Larry_Tarantino@ncsu.edu
From: fang@phy.duke.edu (Fang Zhong)
Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
Subject: Two One-way airline tickets for sale (LAX->Chicago->RDU)
Keywords: American Airline On Thursday, March 18, 1993
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:17:23 GMT
Distribution: triangle


The American Airline flights on Thursday, March 18, 1993:

Flight 88:   Leave   Los Angeles     at  1:01 pm
             Arrive  Chicago/Ohare   at  7:03 pm

Flight 2006: Leave   Chicago/Ohare   at  7:59 pm
             Arrive  Raleigh/Durham  at 10:43 pm

I would sale each ticket for $130, or one leg for $65.
I can get a boarding pass for you once you purchase the ticket.

Please reply to me at fang@phy.duke.edu
-- 
	Fang Zhong				1-919-660-2524
	Duke University Dept. of Physics	fang@phy.duke.edu
	Durham, N.C.      27706
From: Larry.Webb@f505.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Webb)
Newsgroups: triangle.forsale
Subject: Software for sale...
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:02:03 GMT


     >>> FOR WINDOWS....

     Ventura Publisher   Version 4.1 
     3.5" disks
     With registration card, brand new       $ 299

     AMI PRO   Version 3.0
     3.5" disks
     With registration card                  $  89

     Microsoft Word/Windows   Version 1.1
     3.5" disks
     Upgrade Copy ; disks & manual only      $  29

     Microsoft MONEY /windows  >NEW Ver2.0, unregistered    $14

     Quicken /Windows V 1.0  unregistered                   $17

     Right Writer for windows V 5.0 unregistered            $17


     >>> FOR DOS......     

     Q & A   Version 4.0 by Symantec
     3.5" disks
     Already registered, will provide letter
          of transfer...                      $ 150

     Microsoft Works for Dos, Version 2.0
     5.25" disks
     Includes registration card         $ 40

     386MAX , Version 6.02
     dual disks, with registration card    $ 50

     Prodigy Start-up kit software NEW   (2 avialable)     $11 ea.
                                                (2 for $17.50)

     -----------------------------------------------------------
        All prices prepaid plus shipping   (COD +$10 if wanted)

        MAKE AN OFFER!! CALL 919 929 8761 (chapel hill)
        or post message here.

        Will consider TRADES for:  4MB X 9 X 60ns SIMMS
                                   MPC-compliant CD ROM reader
                                   Colorado Memory KE-10 Ext. kit
                                   Iomega Insider 250 tape b/u
                                   Quark XPress / Windows
                                   486 DX 33 or 50 Motherboard
From: mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: private schools, vouchers, etc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:15:28 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1993Jan23.050143.18558@cactus.org> janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner) writes:

>E)  The government just loves to regulate.  If you get any of their money,
>it isn't long before they are telling you what you can do with it.  Some

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

>Taking all of the above into account, how long do you think it will be 
>before good, quality schools make it to the inner cities (or rural areas
>to point out another Texas problem)?  Two years?  Five years?  Ten years?
>My bet is that the option will not be effectivly available to needy youths
>before the current crop of 1st graders graduate high-school (or maybe
>college (if many of them live that long)).

I would be incredibly happy if vouchers would fix the current school
problems in this time frame.  Are you rejecting out-of-hand any
solution that isn't immediate?

>BBTW:  Both of my in-laws work for a border-area school district & I can
>state for a *fact* that the number one problem (NUMERO UNO) is a lack of
>discipline & a lack of an effective method to enforce discipline.  (It

This is one of the chief advantages of private schools.  They are
much more flexible in dealing with students who disturb other students
who want to learn.

>Jeff Janner          janner@cactus.org  (or see above)
-- 
Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:51:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: On sale today!

*** My opin only ***
In article <1993Jan21.144306.4496@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <C12B5L.1MAr@austin.ibm.com> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes:
>>...and here's another problem the "voucher system" doesn't address:
>>Private schools can refuse to accept those they don't want to handle,
>Sorry, this is also wrong.  Private schools accept 98% of their applicants.

Your "fact" does not address the problem.  

First, the statistic applies to the current American schooling situation. 
The amount of students requesting entry into private schools will drop 
acceptance rates to unpopular levels under the voucher system. 

Second, the statistic does not mention how someone arrived at that figure. 
The following lists some questions any good debater or statistician would 
want answers to:
o	What popuolation of schools did the researcher cover?
o	Does the figure represent an average? If so, which average (e.g.
	mean) did they use? What standard deviations did they come up with
	and why did they not list them?
o	Do the population of schools inquired live in the same environment
	(e.g. same state laws, funding)?
o	Where does the data come from? If from other sources (e.g. the schools
	themselves) then how reliable are they? How consistent do the 
	external sources collect their data? 
o	Define applicants. Define accept.
o	Where did you get the statistic?
Don't use stats unless you give the entire picture.

Change the teachers, administrators, and curriculum- not students and money.
----------------------
"Statistics lie."


Newsgroups: tx.general
From: mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown)
Subject: Re: Schools
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:34:54 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Corp., Austin TX

| jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
|John's School Budget -
|
|Expenses
|	3 rooms @ $500 per month, $1,500 per month		 18,000
|	  12 months per year
|	textbooks, 5 year lifetime, 10 per student,		  5,400
|	  average cost of $30
|	desks, chairs, etc., $200 per student, 10		  1,800
|	  year lifetime
|	supplies, $50 per student, per class, per		 27,000
|	  year (6 classes)
|	salaries, 3 teachers @ $35K/yr				105,000
|	employer paid taxes					  8,032
|	benefits
|		health insurance @ $300/mon			 10,800
|		disability @ $50/mon				  1,800
|		retirement @ $100/mon				  3,600
|	tax accountant						  1,000
|	total							182,432
|
|Revenues
|	90 students @ $2,000 per student			180,000

If you aren't making 20% above these base expenses in 2 years, you'll be
out of business.

This happens to a *lot* of startups.


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Newsgroups: tx.general
From: mattair@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Charles Mattair)
Subject: Re: Vouchers; erroneously labeled: State Income Tax
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:36:51 GMT

In article <jrh.2b637dfc-e@mustang.dell.com> jrh@mustang.dell.com (Randy Howard) writes:
>jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>
>>Yup.  We've been trying for years to get teachers to stop playing
>>socialist experiments with America's children, but they've not
>>listened.  Now it's time we took our ball and went someplace else.
>
>Hey!  John, guess what?  I found something we can agree on.  Public schools
>are going to perdition in a pushcart, and quickly.  This new buzzword, 
>"Outcome-Based Education" is one that really scares me.  It sounds good,
>doesn't it?  Catchy name.  Funny how the worst programs always have the
>snazziest names.  
>

Come on guys - lighten up.  Besides, John, I thought you were married to
a teacher.  At least I remember you saying how little work she did....

Repeat after me, in unison:

   Teachers are not the educational system.
   Teachers are not the educational system.
   Teachers are not the educational system.

Teachers have less say than we do as to what is taught and how it is taught.

Yes, the school system is going to hell.  Why?  The board doesn't care.
The administration doesn't care.  The parents don't care.  The students
don't care.  The constituencies feeding from the Education trough don't care
as long as the dollars flow.  And you take the easy out of blaming it on the
teachers.  Many of them do still care although I cannot for the life of me
understand why.

If you don't like it, complain to the board - they cut education funding so
the athletic programs can be fully funded.  Complain to the administration -
they prepare the budgets and believe me, education isn't a high priority.
Complain to your congresscritter - (s)he votes for the programs which consume
local funds for non-educational purposes.

Look inside your schools instead of just sniping from the outside.  There are
a lot of problems, teachers not being particularly high on the list.
-- 
Charles Mattair		 			mattair@synercom.hounix.org
Any opinions offered are my own and do not reflect those of my employer.
Gates and Walton are the perfect reasons for a wealth tax.
From: mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: private schools, vouchers, etc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:27:22 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <MCINTOSH.93Jan20143601@dawn.rice.edu>
mcintosh@rice.edu (Nathaniel McIntosh) writes:

>The thrust of the article was that
>private enterprise and free markets aren't always
>completely "efficient", and even in cases where they
>are efficient, you don't always wind up with an
>acceptable arrangement.

I don't think anyone claims that free markets are "completely"
efficient, just that they are more efficient than the alternatives.

>The point is that it's easy to imagine a similar
>undersupply/oversupply situation with schools, if
>schools were completely in the private market.

I think a better comparison is with the university system, where public
and private institutions are able to coexist in a peaceful and even
mutually beneficial state.

>this would not be much consolation if your kids
>had to live through it. 

There's not much consolation now for kids that don't learn enough
reading or arithmetic to hold down a job.  Personally, an oversupply of
adequate schools is the kind of problem I wish we had.
-- 
Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:54:58 GMT

In article <C17z6J.1MHD@austin.ibm.com> me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:
>Your "fact" does not address the problem.  

Actually, your refutation is far more interesting than my factoid ...

>First, the statistic applies to the current American schooling situation. 
>The amount of students requesting entry into private schools will drop 
>acceptance rates to unpopular levels under the voucher system. 

Yes, that's true.  And it's true because people will flock, in greater
numbers than before, to private schools.  Fixed quantity of something
or other divided by large quantity of consumer means a smaller fraction
of the consumers get the good or service.

>Second, the statistic does not mention how someone arrived at that figure. 
>The following lists some questions any good debater or statistician would 
>want answers to:
>o	What popuolation of schools did the researcher cover?
>o	Does the figure represent an average? If so, which average (e.g.
>	mean) did they use? What standard deviations did they come up with
>	and why did they not list them?
>o	Do the population of schools inquired live in the same environment
>	(e.g. same state laws, funding)?
>o	Where does the data come from? If from other sources (e.g. the schools
>	themselves) then how reliable are they? How consistent do the 
>	external sources collect their data? 
>o	Define applicants. Define accept.
>o	Where did you get the statistic?

At the 98% level there isn't much room for deviation.  Let's say that
the standard deviation is 10%.  Oh wait, it can't be 10% because you
can't have more than 100% acceptance and that would mean the data is
so skewed towards 98% that the standard deviation would be about 1%
anyhow.  Hmmm.

Next is the school populations.  See rules about selecting valid
statistical samples and the applicability of small samples to larger
populations.

Next is the sample area.  Actually, it was the worst possible population.
Poor minorities.  Presumably rich non-minorities get in at least as
often as poor minorities.

>Don't use stats unless you give the entire picture.

Get a clue.
-- 
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Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org

The DDT ban has killed more Africans than the AIDS epidemic.  Legalize DDT now.
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:51:11 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <XDANR17@taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.104713.17014@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
>>	Better, but it still allows the rich to move "public" funds to
>>private institutions.  And as pointed out in a previous post, the Catholic
>>church (who is already tax exempt), would like the windfall dollars.
> 
> The church shouldn't be tax exempt.

	While I am not going to disagree with that comment, current status
is that the church *IS* tax exempt...

> 
>>	If education for the poor (which seems to be the rhetoric)
> 
> Where? The rhetoric I see is better education for *everyone*.

	However, that *everyone* seems to only be the rich, middle class,
and maybe some limited poor.  Unless I misunderstood, *ALL* the poor are
part of "everyone", but they are still given limited feasible options.

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