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From: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu (Chris.Hilker)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: alt.head?
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:19:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


In article <S8759859.92Apr12203138@titan.ucc.umass.edu> s8759859@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone) writes:
>	My personal inclinations would be to say NO (just say no...)
>to splitting the group.  Although the postings about trippy music and
>other things are sometimes annoying, I think that if you split the
>group, you will have people who WON'T be reading the alt.drugs stuff
>anymore, because they were just looking for the head stuff.  Or vice
>versa.  I think that you can get valuable information in this group,
>be it pertaining to your rights, you capabilities, or your supplies.

        My personal inclinations would be to say NO (just say no...)
to splitting the group. Although the postings about the Grateful Dead
and other things are sometimes annoying, I think that if you split the
group, you will have people who WON'T be reading the rec.music.misc
stuff anymore, because they were just looking for the Dead stuff. Or
vice versa. I think that you can get valuable information in this
group, be it pertaining to Yes, Queen, Depeche Mode, or Rush.

:-)

Is my point clear?

C.

-- 
ALL OF US ARE ONE PEOPLE
Chris.Hilker
cspot@cats.ucsc.edu
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:57:50 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

The whole point of the Reagan/Bush administrations has been to subvert
constitutional law by use of administrative edict and by creating a
secret government accountable to noone but the president (NSA, CIA, MI
and a whole bunch of other organizations funded out the black budget).
We're pretty far gone at this point. I fully expect Bush or his
successor to take over the communications facilities of the country
and effectively dismantle the government within ten years.
-- 
David Feustel N9MYI, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805. (219)482-9631
Republicans believe in the "carrot and stick" approach to social problems:
 	   - carrots for the rich and sticks for the poor -
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From: honig@thalia.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: tongue firmly in cheek
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, Dept. of Info. & Comp. Sci.
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:53:30 GMT

>I like this definition of right & left wingers:
>Left wingers care more about people, than institutions.
>Right wingers care more about institutions than people.
>
>Mark A. Hacker

You could use that a test of gullability or naivety too, if you believe
that...



--
David A. Honig

"Oh, a vegetarian, eh?  Well, at my house, even the plants eat meat."

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: voss.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: Punish crimes...not people
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:35:54 GMT

     It seems to me the "law and order" republicans seem to ignore their 
own speeches when its convenient for them...Whenever the issue of gun 
control comes they're screaming "Punish criminals...not honest citizens" 
so why dont they try that approach with drugs...legalize the stuff and 
say if someone kills someone under the influence of crack send that 
person to justice for murder. Hold that person responsible for their acts 
whether they are under the influence of crack,heroin,pot,booze,or 
whatever and that will provide a far more successful deterrent to crime 
than currently available. Plus legalization would lower the price and 
generate tax revenue for education so no matter what they do they would 
be fully informed about the risks. Crime in these areas would go down as 
stealing for drugs would almost disappear. Part of the money generated 
by the sale of these substances could be reinvested in blighted 
neighborhoods in capital improvements as well as improvements in quality 
of life which in itself reduce drug demand as well as create jobs

anybody have any thoughts?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu  (Jeff Davidson)
Subject: Re: marijuana, alcohol and driving
Reply-To: jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:25:59 GMT

In article <ktpepsINN63a@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> etheridg@duncan.cs.utk.edu  
(Jennifer Etheridge) writes:
> I know this issue has been brought up before but...
> 
I can't remember where I read the article or even who sponsored the testing,  
but within the last 2 years there was something published about a test someone  
ran on just that question (driving stoned vs. drunk). If I remember correctly,  
the results were heavily against driving drunk (imagine that) and were quite  
favorable towards the smokers.

--Jeff Davidson
jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

*****************************************************************************
Your admirers in the street , got to hoot and stamp their feet, in the heat 
from your physique, as you twinkle by  in moccasin sneakers.   And I thought
my heart would  break, when you doubled up the stake,  with your fingers
all ashake;   You could never tell a winner......from a snake.  
          King Crimson---Easy Money/Larks'  Tongues in Aspic (1973)  
*****************************************************************************

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From: cmcgav@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christine B. McGavran)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:07:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:

>A local TV station located in West Palm Beach FL. (WFLX) reported in a
>news broadcast just a couple of day ago that there was a new and dangerous
>mind-altering substance being abused by the Jr. and Sr. High school students
>there. This fearsome substance was ... get this ... AIR ! Apparently, the
>practice of hyperventilation is now in vogue. It makes you tingly and
>dizzy and, best of all, is FREE. No doubt there are urine tests for air
>abuse though which may dampen the current high spirits. No word on whether
>the local police have identified any air dealers as of yet - but in Florida,
>dealing intoxicants within 1000 feet of a school zone is a mandatory-
>sentence felony. 

when i was in middle school my best friend and i experimented with fainting.
you would hyperventilate until you got very dizzy, and then the other person 
would hold you against the wall while you held your breath.  in a few 
seconds you would be on the floor, dreaming away.  you would generally only
be gone for a few seconds, but in that time you would have the freakiest 
dreams!  i would wake up and would feel as if hours had gone by.  always 
wondered if that was bad for me, but it was definitely fun.

a couple of years later, my biology teacher had us do experiments with 
hyperventilating and holding our breaths.  i wonder if he'd be arrested for 
his teaching methods? *grin*

-sneetch
From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Tv and it's influence.
Message-Id: <1992Apr5.092805.6cDo2@infopls.chi.il.us>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 11:42:53 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

andrew@airs.com (Andrew Evans) writes:

> teverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (Toby Everett) writes:
> 
> >	When I was three my parents kicked the TV out of the house.  It worked
> >wonders.  I'm willing to bet that you caould link the "fall" of American
> >society since the 1950's to increased TV watching.  Also, somewhere I read a
> >article on the damage TV watching does to the brains of kids who watch to 
> >much of it.  As I recall, it reduced the number of interconnections between
> >neurons relative to kids who didn't watch it.  If you have kids, for God's 
> >sake, get rid of your TV.  Just having it in the house is too much of a 
> >temptation.
> 
> Hey, wait a sec.  Aren't we supposed to be the ones promoting the
> wonders of free speech?  Yes, it can be used in ways we don't like -
> there's very little on network TV these days that I find at all
> interesting.  But if we think that means that all TV is no good, well,
> that validates the reasoning that no one should be able to buy
> marijuana just because some people might abuse it.

        Ok, on this reasoning, then EVERYONE should be allowed to 
broadcast their own television shows on the air.  Just because "some" 
people will be immature doesn't mean we must restrict everyone! 
Television is about as far as you can get from free speech which 
"appears" to be free speech...TV is free speech for those who are part of 
the rich-controlling sector of society.

        (Sorry about those 'scare' quotes. :-)

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
From: geraldb@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Gerald Bryan (Denver))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Kesey's back!
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:19:21 GMT
Organization: ?

Someone posted:
>You are right about Ginsberg.  There was a famous Ralph that was
>part of the scene though I think. Anybody remember what Ralph that might be?

Ralph Metzner, perhaps ?
-- 
"Truth is simply the understanding of seeking" -- da Free John
From: basher@ces.cwru.edu (Tim Basher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: questions from NY
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:42:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.224248.24016
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
X-Question: Doesn't anyone do research in a library?

oacs1010@blurt.oswego.edu writes:
> 2.  What is the best why to store doses?

According to [1] LSD in solution [buffer] will decline to 25% of the original
amount after 7 days at room temperature in daylight.  LSD is solution will
only decline to 80% of the original amount after six days at room temperature
but in flourescent lighting.

According to [2] LSD in solution [urine] is stable [less than 10% loss] for
up to 28 days after storage at room temperature [25 C.] and in the dark.
Even after 6 months of storage at room temperature, the concentration is
still 66% of the original amount.

"LSD is not stable at elevated temperature.  Concentrations ... stored at
50 C. dropped to 85% of control after 24 hours.  A further reduction to
59% of control was noted after 4 weeks." [2]

"LSD was stable after 3 months of refrigeration when protected from light." [2]

My advice is to keep LSD samples protected from UV light and well refrigerated.
Try to avoid carrying samples around with you on your body [e.g. don't stick
it in your wallet].

I would not worry [as much] about moisture as other people have suggested.

[1] 
Ratcliffe, W.A.; Fletcher, S.M.; Moffat, A.C.; et. al.
"Radioimmunoassay of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD) in serum and urine
by using antisera of different specificities."
Clinical Chemistry.  v23n2, Feb 1977, p169-74.
[2]
Lim, H.K.; Andrenyak, D.; Francom, P.; Bridges, R.R.; Foltz, R.L.
"Determination of LSD in urine by capillary column gas chromatography
and electron impact mass spectrometry."
Journal of Analytical Toxicology.  v12n1, Jan-Feb 1988, p1-8.

Tim "Just a few articles from the archives" Basher
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:10:52 GMT

dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.171817.12178@bradley.bradley.edu> 
>         dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

>> Legalization would put blacks back on the bottom rung of the income ladder.

>Can anyone name one black leader who supports legalization besides
>Mayor Schomke? I asked this question about a year ago and no names 
>surfaced.

of course not (that is, I can't think of any). the war on drugs is very
popular in the US. fascism is always a popular movement. it is as popular
in the black community as it is in the US at large. it takes an exceptional
politician to go against popular opinion and still attain a position of 
power. i am waiting for the day where expressing the opinion that the war
on drugs is wrong, or that perhaps some of the currently illegal drugs
may perhaps be beneficial under some circumstances is itself a crime (we
have come close to this).

josh
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:45:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.=tzj0rc.rcain
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

A few years ago didn't someone actively promoted nobody for president. Had
a whole campaign set up for nobody.  I think I would vote for nobody this
year if he ran (oops or she.)  Think we could get it on the ballot?
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bhunter@hardy.u.washington.edu (Brian Hunter)
Subject: Re: You All Suck
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:49:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.215914.2457@eff.org> Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org> writes:
>For what it's worth, I DID send a reply to email.  I didn't get a
>response.
>
>So much for truth in advertising.

I actually took the time to write a *nice* response(no asbestos suit
required) and got no response, but I also noted at the bottom that
I welcomed opinions/arguments from the other side....  

Don't you love it when people show thier true selves?

But then again, any messages in reply are sent from drug crazed
hippies and freaks, so of course must be instantly deleted.

Jon

Oh yeah, this message was posted by jonul@microsoft.com, bhunter@
hardy.u.washington.edu kindly allows me access to news via his
account do to the vast time differences in my news service.
From: 891034d@ace.acadiau.ca (PETER F. DEARMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: alt.head?
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:55:10 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Apr03.205239.11907@microsoft.com> a-paulc@microsoft.com (Paul CLARK) writes:

>In article <92083.212845EEMA092@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <EEMA092@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>Maybe I've missed something in this network, but after several months' exposure
>>I almost doubt it. What this post is about is the possibility of a new   news
>>group, tentatively called "alt.head", by me. Does abybody else think this is
>>a Good Idea? What I've got in mind is a newsgroup wherein an understanding of
>>the other-world state is implicit .. in this way, those of us interested in
>>exploring the psychedelic realm could enjoy a newsgroup wherein the discussion
>>of zen, or reality philosophies, or what's a cool thing to do while "out there"
>>without bogging down the set of discussion-threads common to alt.drugs.
>>

>        Sounds great! That's the kind of stuff I'm interested to hear! Let's
>do it!

Yes.  Sounds like a good idea.  Much more useful than many of the groups out 
there.  Hi Trish.  Thanks for showing me Newsnet land.  We must chat 
philosophy in the near future. ;-)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:21:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr13.202150.21262
    <5=wj#8n.rcain@netcom.com> <1992Apr12.221320.12122@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Apr12.221320.12122@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Raymond D. Meredith) writes:
>     Here in Illinios, at least in the Chicagoland area, there's a guy giving
>free seminars on getting into the mushroom growing business.  Of course his
>presentation deals with the legitimate commercial types, mostly gourmet
>varieties.  However, I'm sure that knowledge could be put to use in growing
>the illegal species just as easily.  Any comments or contradictions out there?

Legit mushroom cultivators can start with mycellium (sp?).  I understand the
process is much easier that way.  Psilocybe Cubensis mycelium is illegal
because it contains psylocybin (psilocin too, probably).  

Before you spend money on the seminar, ask whether you will learn how to
grow mushrooms from spores, or just from mycellium.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
Darryl Gates, George Bush's "ideal police officer", thinks Clarence Thomas, 
a former casual drug user, should have been shot long ago.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: s3187840@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Father Dagon)
Subject: Re: Movie : The Doors
Summary: Long, slow, don't bother
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:00:04 GMT

In article <jody.35.703433049@ace.acadiau.ca> jody@ace.acadiau.ca (JODY DUNBAR) writes:
>I just watched "The Doors" last night. I found this movie to be very 
>interesting. I picked out a few spots in the movie that would definetly be 
>freaky on acid. Anybody watch it on acid? How was it?
>							Jody

Boring. Did you notice all those really, really slow parts of the movie when
you were sober? Imagine what they're like when you're tripping. Dunno, you may
get into that, but it bored the hell out of me when I watched it in during a
heavy shroom trip. I also got really annoyed that I couldn't tell when the
movie was in a trip scene and when it wasn't.

	- Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: fun with inhalants...NOT!
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:52:40 GMT

: and were mentally incapacitated.  If you don't believe me, get a history of
: your local police log.  These incidents seem to happen periodically, and
: you can probably find someone in your area who has done the same thing to
: themself.  Incidentally, the glue they were sniffing was essentially epoxy,
: namely, it was probably not that different from model glue.

Sorry, the catalyst in epoxy is completely different that the solvent used
in model airplane glue. The physiological reactions are also different to
the two substances.

: While I'm at it, I'd like to warn people against using freon.  My neighbor,
: a moron at best, was inhaling it, and managed to spill the liquid on his
: mouth.  I happened to run across him that night, and his lips had swelled
: to three or four times thier normal size.  He went through quite a bit of
: plastic surgery to scrape the scar tissue off his face and reconstruct his
: mouth.

Must have been quite a bit of freon. Also, the problem would have been from
freezing of the tissue, not a toxic reaction. 

Bill
From: alexc@yang.earlham.edu (Sperminator)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:36:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: yang.1992Apr8.223637.16838
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <56832@cup.portal.com>, atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:
> 
>  >If I was for the legalization of Drugs, Who would be a best candidate to 
>  >vote for????
>  >Any respeonse would be appreciated.......
> 
> The Libertarian Party candidate.  Repeal of drug prohibition has been
> in the LP platform for 20 years.  Andre Marrou will be the only
> antiprohibition candidate for president on the ballot in all 50 states
> this fall.
> 
> If you are tired of seeing candidate "debates" where the Republicrat
> and the Demopublican try to outdo each other in stomping on the Bill
> of Rights in the name of the Drug War, you are going to have to get 
> them to invite the Libertarian candidate.
> 

this sounds very nice, but what is the entire libertarian platform?  just 
a number or address wherre i can get this info is all for which i am 
asking (e-mail alexc@yang.earlham.edu).  I agree with this point but i 
cannot vote for them unless i know better the entire platform.

> 
>    Alan T. Furman           |       Vote Libertarian--Marrou/Lord in '92
> ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------
>    atfurman@cup.portal.com  |  Stamp out signature viruses!  Pass it on!

alex MADMAN chermside
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:23:39 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Apr10.195034.21409@Cadence.COM>, phz@cadence (Pete Zakel) writes:
>I agree, it is very, very bad law, very, very bad legal precedent, and very,
>very bad justice.

If the Supreme Court has indeed judged on civil forfeiture, obviously
one of the important parts of the system has failed (Supreme Courty
ignores the Constitution, or part of) and there's even more need to
apply one of those checks and balances.  As also the right to a trial
by jury is ignored here, jury nullification can't be used either.

What other checks and balances there are which might be used in this
particular failure mode of the system?  It seems that as the system is
malfunctioning in other places also you're in a bit of a hurry before
all the checks and balances will be ignored much the same way the IV
and V amendments are by the civil forfeiture - if the system continues
to have these numerous malfunctions it probably will crash soon and
it'll need to be rebooted much the same way it was first created.

//Jyrki
From: SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Hemp tour?
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:17:37 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


    A while ago, I saw a posting on some type of legalization tour (I think)
; a bunch of cities and dates. I e-mailed the poster of it, but have not yet
gotten a response, so if anyone has any more specific detail on this, please
e-mail me.
   The date and place I am especially interested in is Harrisburg, PA on April
24, I think. (I live in Central Pa, obviously.)
   So if you can enlighten me on this subject, it would be greatly appreciated.
Even if you can't give me info yourself, at least a pointer (address) to the
right location would be great. Otherwise, I will miss out on this opportunity
because knowing that something will be in Harrisburg isn't quite enough, I
need a little more knowledge that this, seeing how Harrisburg is not just a
burg, and neither are the other locations. Also a specific time would be great.
sign
From: kg1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin Paul Goldman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:31:32 GMT
Organization: Junior, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If Jerry Brown doesn't make it ( and he probably won't from the look of
things ), remember to vote not for the lesser evil, but someone who
thinks as you do.  Might I suggest the Libertarian candidate, Andre
Marrou. I know lots of you think he cannot win, and you are right. What
Marrouu can do,  however, is get more votes then the Libertarians did in
88'. That will scare the Republicans and Democrats - possibly scare them
into shifting their policy a bit to take away the marginal Libertarian
constituency. Your vote can make a difference, but only if you vote for
what you believe in. Please don't throw it away.


Peace,


Mongo

Major: Kegology, Zygmetry minor
College : The College of H & N 0 Stress...
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