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From: ango@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: tegu problems
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:40:33 PDT

I just recently got a few more golden tegus, :-)
	Unfortunately I fear that they may have some sort of internal parasite
Though I'm not too sure.  I've been feeding them egg and dog food (supplemented
by vitamins) and well, it's the defcation that worries me, it's pretty much
liquid (they don't actually eat the dog food, just drink the juices and lots of
water), and it stinks, worse even than normal egg poop. Any Ideas? Are they
sick?  Also, They're not quarantined, (no space) and with my big (3.5ft)  male 
(they're also all female). He however seems fine.
	Also, he starts to huff and puff at them periodically, then grasps
their tail in his mouth (near the base), not hard, just firmly. (they don't
seem particularly thrilled however) They also don't seem to make any attempt to
avoid him (there's lots of space, they live in a room with a walk in closet),
rather, they (well one at least) stays with him, a lot, causing him to get
annoyed, and leave.  So she follows him.
	Any Ideas in this one?
				Thanks,
					Andre


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    /                             \\
Andre Ngo                          \\          Happy herps are healthy herps.
Ango@Pomona.Claremont.Edu           \\         Sorry, I just couldn't think of
address 17315 Horst Ave              \\               anything creative. :(
	Cerritos, CA 90701            \\      
Phone (310)860-3017                    \\      My iguana likes cocoa krispies,
      (714)621-8555x5681                \\           and my nile likes cats.
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I'm working on one of those exciting text pictures, but it doesn't look too hot
From: mwaldvog@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Michael Waldvogel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Python Squeeze
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:53:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Apr12.135333.19573
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Originator: mwaldvog@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu

In <1992Apr7.143951.14707@novell.com>, mdtaylor@wc.novell.com (Mark D. Taylor)
wrote:

[other stuff omitted]

>I'm certain that nobody reading this group has ever personally
>been killed by their python..... [stuff omitted]

I, for one, would be interested in hearing from anyone who has been 
killed by their python.  Send reply to alt.life.reincarnation   :)

(sorry Mark,  couldn't resist)....


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| Michael Waldvogel  - waldvogel@ent.ncsu.edu |
| Dept. of Entomology, N.C. State University  |
| Raleigh, North Carolina  27695-7613         |
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 23:56:37 EDT
From: <TJS119@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: new garder snake

Hi!  I'm thinking about getting a garter snake, but I really can't find that mu
ch info on them.  They books galore on boas or pythons, but not a poor garder.
 So can I keep him in a 5 gal aquarium.  Is it big enough?  Will he eat cricket
s?  The one book I saw said they love earthworms, but I can't get earthworms.
What's the deal on the heat rocks?  Since so many people say 'Bad Bad!' what el
se could I use? A lamp?  Will he get really tame? And finally, are ribbon snake
s better for beginners than garders? Oh also, can some one please tell me of a
good book to read on general care herpology and one on snake keeping?  Thanks a
 bunch.

                                        Herp wanna be,

                                             Tim
From: gg02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GABRIELLA GRAD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Take action
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:47:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.1992Apr07.204755.98332
Organization: Lehigh University

It seems that there are a large number of us out there who think that too many
pet stores do not take care of their herps.  I have definately found that out
both in Montreal and here in Bethlehem/Allentown.

We all hate to go into these stores and watch all these dying animals, knowing
full well that if they were given the proper conditions (heat, light, and most
importantly food) that the herps would be doing much better, people could buy
healthier pets, and the stores would be making more of a profit.

There is a way that we can make this happen - either try to get a part time
job at one of these places, or volunteer some time there.  If you go at it
with the attitude that you want to help, then maybe you can make a difference.
 I do not as yet practice what I preach, but I plan to do so in the summer.

 Think about it.  If you feel as though the herps need care, maybe you can be
 the ones to give it to them.

 Gaby
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Animal attacks on humans
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Burmese attack (?) in Toronto
Keywords: Burmese, feeding, potzerbie
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: public
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:21:43 GMT

Yes, indeed, I noticed that article about the Toronto Burmese-related
fatality too, it was in the San Francisco Chronicle.  Here's the info
I remember: the guy was 26 years old, apparently was handling the
14-foot snake by himself, and was found asphyxiated near the cage a
couple of days later... it didn't specify whether this was a feeding
time thing or what.  It said the snake, as well as the guy's two other
Burmese (9 ft and 6 ft) were confiscated and are being held at the
Toronto Zoo. 
I only hope my new housemates don't notice the article, since I just
moved and I think the new folks will probably recognize the word
'Burmese' in the article...
Unless my info is totally wrong, this brings to 6 the number of
pet-constrictor fatalities in North America since 1974; five of these
involved Burmeses, one involved a Reticulate Python.  As horrible as
this kind of accident is, I don't think that's a shocking figure.
But try to tell the press that...

-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle --and Fafnir, too!--
'Another disappearing thing is the casual vomit.' --Billy Connoly
/-/-/-/-/-/-

PS Joey, sorry I missed you this time out-- But then, I've missed the
last couple of BAARS meetings, due to my life being such a convoluted
mess these days... I promise I'll catch you the next time tho!
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From: jeffp@ocelot.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)
Subject: Re: Guest post
Reply-To: jeffp@ocelot.csc.wsu.edu.UUCP ()
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:37:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.163552.13125@igor.tamri.com> donb@tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>Posted for Lisa_Forman@go.com:
>
>          I was given some used wooden cages from a friend.  They are
>          in good shape but very dirty.  Some type of substrate (corn
>          cob I think) is stuck all over the cage. And the cage has
>          mites.  I want to clean the cages and rid them of mite
>          before I put any type of herp in them. What should I use
>          to clean the cages and rid them of the mites. I was thinking
>          of water and alcohol.

I'd suggest water and soap and scrubbing followed by drying followed
by fumigation with a flea bomb.  If you can find a garage or some small
room that can be vented to the outside, you should be able to safely
do this without exposing your whole house to the chemicals (although
lots of people with flea problems routinely do so).

I would air the cages for a couple of days outside after the fumigation.

-- 
Jeff Parke jeffp@ocelot.csc.wsu.edu  OR ...uunet!ocelot.csc.wsu.edu!jeffp
AOL: JeffParke   CIS:71511,1512    Wash. State Univ. College of Vet. Med.
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Lecture Tonight 4/13
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:19:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: igor.1992Apr14.161939.27796
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco

In article <1992Apr13.163934.23422@novell.com> mdtaylor@wc.novell.com
(Mark D. Taylor) writes:
>Tonight at 7 there is a lecture by Pat Latas at the Penninsula
>Humane Society in San Mateo.  The topic is "Overall Care for
>Amphibian and Reptile Guardians" ("Guardians" is what the
>soc.humane uses in place of "Owners").  Dr. Latas is apparently
>a herp vet from SF, who is sometimes called in by the humane
>society to help in herptile cases.  I don't know anything else
>about her.

Oh, bummer.

I KNEW I should've read news before leaving work, last night!

Dr. Latas is one of the two vets that we visit with our snakes.  She's
very knowledgeable, willing to share what she knows; I have a high
opinion of her, as a vet.

If anyone goes, I'd be interested in their comments.

    don
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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Lucky herp owners
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:56:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>rule that I love is that some cities or states have rules saying that you 
>can't keep constrictors as pets.  I would understand it (but still not agree)
>if the rule had been written saying that no constricters over 10', but as
>it is my corn snakes would be illegal.  How any one of these guys would 
>endanger anyone, I don't know.

One person at Dallas' department of Animal Control claimed to me that the
keeping of snakes was illegal.  Period.  When I remarked that that was both
wrong and absurd, I eventually got to another person who said that "Boas and
Pythons are illegal without a permit, but something like a King snake is okay".
She claimed that a "permit" is only issued to someone who can prove that the
snake is essential to business, like an "entertainer".

I managed to find the local branch of the city library open, and tried to find
the book of ordinances to look up the laws.  They told me that I'd have to
go to the main library for that.  I know from experience that the main library
is rather far away, and that much of what they list is damaged or missing.

For the hell of it, I stopped by a police station.  They said that they didn't
"really" have a book of ordinances I could peruse, but the officer I talked to
didn't understand why anyone would object to the keeping of nonvenomous
snakes.

There's a national chain of pet jails in a mall near me that has what they're
calling a Burmese for sale.  Another local place has a Calabar ground python,
but they just call it a "Rubber Snake" and list the proper name (Calibari
rheinharti ?) to avoid hassles.

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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: reinhardtii (was Re: Lucky herp)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:04:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>As well, one is a boa, the other a python!  The pet store that labelled
>the animal has it's wires crossed it seems.


ARRHGHGHGHGH.  The store is fine -- it's labelled as a "Rubber Snake".  The
word "Boa" is nowhere to be found.

>As far as keeping one (either), I'd be leery of an animal that is largely
>nocturnal and likes to hide under a layer of dirt.  Might as well have a
>terrarium with a plant in it! :-)

Just like the christmas tree in @i(A Charlie Brown Christmas), I feel
compelled to buy this guy and give him some love.

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From: jeide@plains.NoDak.edu (Jared Eide)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Green Iguana Toenail Trimming
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:54:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16707
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo


	Hello again.  I am theproud owner of a happy little green iguan, who
was given to me as a gift.  Norm (Like from Cheers) has just begun to get
sharp little toenails.  According to books and to the petshops I should be 
trimming his nails fairly often.  Unfortunately I am teriffied to do so.  They
are so small, and I really don't feel like cutting him.  

	So, should I be trimming them at all?  And if I should, are there any   hints in doing so?  Thanks for the time.

	Jared
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: KILLER BIVITTATUS
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr9.192902.23149
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

mdtaylor@wc.novell.com (Mark D. Taylor) writes:

... good article deleted

>A big hand to Reuters for a reasonable and responsible report.

Amen.


>I see lots of talk about bites, but how does one get squeezed?
>I'm certain that nobody reading this group has ever personally
>been killed by their python, but does this sort of thing ever
>cross one's mind while cleaning?  Do you guys use spotters?

Easy.  What the Canadian gent got is what we call a "feeding bite".
The snake was just quicker and probably a little smarter than it's
owner.  The way of it is that first the snake locks down it's jaws.
then using the head as sort of a fulcrum, it "thows" (levers actually)
coils around the victim.  I got one of these deals from a small Burmese,
what it wrappred around was my arm.  Some of the coils it threw went
around it's jaws and it was a real bitch to get loose.

The bit aabout the guy being pretty much screwed once his arms 
got pinned is right on.  Remember, these snakes do this for a 
living.  They are pros at subduing dinner.  Don't ever challenge
a pro.

When I'm handling big snakes that I don't know I most certainly
do have someone else around.  Same goes if one of mine is feeling 
"feisty".  That's a technical term herpetologists use for mean or
hungry with intent.

cheers,
-gb-
From: dank@calvin.usc.edu (Dan King)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Iguana light?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 09:56:00 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu


Hello, again, all.  I'm putting the finishing touches on my Ig's new
cage and have a question.  I want to hang a UV light from the wire
mesh on the outside of the cage and was wondering what type of light I
should get.  I've looked around here and can only find plant lights
(and normal lights, of course). I haven't found any "all-spectrum"
lights nor any UV-particular lights.

Is one of these plant growing lights sufficient?  They come in both
flourescent and incandescent versions (I'm planning on using the
incandescent version so Sam can be warmed by it as well (I also have a
heat rock in a corner)).  Should I keep looking?  If so where (OK, I
haven't looked too hard yet, just basically perusing the lighting
sections of local hardware stores while buying lumber for my Iguana
Condo).

In case anyone is wondering, 3x2x3.5' is a huge terrarium.  Sam is
going to feel intimidated... :)

Thanks!
dank
From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Miami Valley Serpeterium
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   Has anyone ever heard of a company called Miami Valley
Serpeterium? They are a breeder based in Kentucky.  A friend of mine
received a price list from them that has some real good prices (ie.
guyana rainbow boas for $75, sinaloan milks for $55, and snow corns
for $40).   As always, I am on the market for a few more snakes,
and I'd be real tempted for prices like this.

                                   Pete

  PS - hey Don - they have yellow anacondas listed for $125 each.
Do you think you could talk Gillian into letting you get another
snake? =8-)
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bitnet:   V105MAHS@UBVMS                . I've stopped looking for a job...
internet: V105MAHS@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU .    I'm now begging for one!!!
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From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Re: Lucky herp owners
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:52:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.003552.6424@news.Hawaii.Edu> ginas@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gina Sakata) writes:
>I have been reading this group for several months now.  It must be so nice
>to just go to the pet store to see/purchase your favorite herp.  Here we
>have to go to the zoo!
>
>Only turtles are legal here (certain species).  What would you recommend as
>the appropriate living quarters for a 6 inch box turtle?  He doesn't look
>happy in his present tank.

You may not have pet stores, and it is debatable how bad a situation that is,
but you are lucky with your wonderful weather.  Do you have outside space
to fence your turtle in?  I imagine a box turtle would be pretty happy outside
there unless you live way up high where its cooler.  Be sure he has a wading
pool of some sort, and that he can't dig out of any enclosure you provide.

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: mjg@sso.larc.nasa.gov (Marston J. Gould)
Subject: FERRET's IN VIRGINIA
Reply-To: mjg@sso.larc.nasa.gov (Marston J. Gould)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:49:33 GMT

Hey, anybody out there know of a Ferret organization in Virginia, preferably in the southeastern section (Hampton,
Newport News, etc). Also does anyone know of a good Ferret magazine. It's amazing, I've heard estimates say
that there are around 8,000,000 in the U.S. all told, but you really wouldn't know it. There are all sorts of magazines
on Dogs, Cats, Horses, Fish, and Birds, but none on Ferrets that I have seen. Isn't it about time? Plus, there really
isn't much info widely distributed at the national level (say books, etc.) that talks much about ferrets.

I currently own two ferrets (both fixed males) Augie and Roo. A third ferret of mine (Pooh) died only a year or so
after I got him from pnemonia. By the way for those out there who have ferrets with allergies, be very careful, 
pnemonia in my ferret looked much like allergies to begin with. He would try to explosively blow his nose all the time.
For the most part though he seemed very healthy, as a matter of fact he was the most aggressive of the three.
In about 2 days he deteriorated. He apparently was born with a  weak heart so that once the pnemonia kicked in he
wasn't strong enough to fight both the weak heart and the sickness.

Augie (not 3) and Roo (1 1/2) are really big for ferrets. Augie weighs in about 6 lbs, while Roo is 4.5.  Both are very
large and not overweight. As a matter of fact Augie is so long, he would probably look a North American Black
Footed Ferret eye-to-eye.  Must be all the Iams cat food he chows down on. I now have them trained such that they
will come like a dog. Sleep in my lap like a cat. 100% Potty trained. Won't bite anyone (instead they just lick them to
death) except each other in play. And they are both totally addicted to Linatone.

Marston
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From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Ferret question: 2 males ??
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:46:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.131409.10737@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> jmhodosko@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Jeff Hodosko) writes:
>Just a quick question for any and all ferret gurus out there,
>
>My SO and I have a male ferret, Martyn, about three years old.  Last year we
>got him another ferret, female, to keep him company.  A couple couple months
>ago she passed away and Martyn seems lonely and we feel like we are ready to
>adopt another child into our home.  I have read that it is better to get
>ferrets that are of the opposite sex.  My question is, Would it be alright to
>get another male to be Martyn's little sib. (btw, all the ferrets mentioned
>have been fixed, which I assume makes a big difference.)
>
I've known m-m and f-f and m-f pairs that got along great.  Actually, a
second male would be closer to Martyn's size than a female would, so
assuming there were any problems you'd be safer.  Since he got along
with a new spayed female before, I doubt there will be any trouble with
an altered male now.  
 
>The reason I ask is because I was in the pet store the other day and they had
>this one-year-old male ferret that just seemed perfect.  You could tell the
>people who raised him spent a lot of time with him.  They were asking $150 for
>him which seems a little steep, but it is worth it.
>
That is a little steep.  The most I've seen them for is $120.  Try haggling
them down.

E.S.
From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferret senses
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:13:04 GMT
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.

In article <1992Apr6.192906.17334@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) writes:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I have a question, actually a couple related questions. 
> 
> How are ferret's senses?
> 
> How good of vision do they have?
> 
Ferrets have terrible vision. I believe it's worse in the albinos.
> How well can they hear?
>
There hearing is good but selective at times. They hear you if you try to sneak
by them but don't hear you if you reprimand them. 
> Sense of smell?
>
 Their sense of smell is fairly keen.
   Jenny Au
> 

> I have always wondered yet no where have I wondered across
> these answers...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> christin@cae.wisc.edu
> -- 
> 
> 
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> 
>
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbit Chatter
Summary: I have one that talks a lot, too.
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:40:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Apr10.145309.11921@mtholyoke.edu>, kbourque@mtholyoke.edu (Karen Bourque) writes:
> Does anyone out there have a rabbit that makes strange noises?
> I thought these little creatures were supposed to be silent!
> I mean, mine doesn't bark when I walk in the door, but she
> does squeak quite a bit...

One of my foster bunnies "chatters" at me every time I approach.  When I
first took her in, she was in terrible shape--malnurished, infected hocks,
2-inch toenails that deformed her feet and caused joint problems in
shoulders and back, etc., etc.  At the beginning, she cried loudly and was
obviously frightened when I approached.  Now she only "squeaks" or
"chatters" a little of her anxiety when I approach.  She stops as soon as I
pet her.

I know of other rabbits that "talk" this way, but by and large, rabbits are
silent except for an almost inaudible purr, or a scream of terror.

Nancy LaRoche (CO HRS)
att!drutx!njl
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