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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Stump Retires
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:50:04 GMT


Congrats to Gary Huckabay who may have seen his team lose an ALCS but
at the same time saw them gain a useful thirdbaseman (i.e. any
replacement) when Carney "All the Mobility of a Tree Stump" Lansford
announced his retirement (this according to a report in today's
Toronto Star).

On the other hand, my little brother, the World's Greatest Blue Jay
fan (still non-woofing variety), is really impressed with the Jekyll &
Hyde platoon at 3B for the Jays. You know, how Mr. Gruber plays in the
field, but Mrs. Gruber takes the swings at the plate for him.

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From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Its only a game. Kill Skippy.
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:50:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Oct15.175029.22839
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <7674@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> valentin@midnight-blue.cis.pitt.edu writes:
>[2B fault, emotions dumped.]
>
>I have never been so disappointed over something that really 
>*doesn't matter at all*. That right, its only a game. 
>
>In any case, there is no drama to be had anywhere in sports 
>that comes anywhere close to the drama in tonights game. 
>I love this game, and I'll keep coming back for more. 
>
>I just wish we would have won. 
>
Y'know, I woke up this morning feeling like the Pirates had won the
game, but that I had had a nasty dream in which the Braves had scored
three in the bottom of the ninth.  Strange the way the mind works (when
it does).

I'd hate to be Lind over the winter.  That's a lot of months to live with
the last grounder.

DHT

Reasons why I was favoring the Pirates (in no particular order):

Jane Fonda
The chant
Like the Pirates' colors
Was annoyed at Barry Bonds critics
Ted Turner and colorization
The chop
The pattycake (combining two of the above)
Thought the Pirates (like the Jays) deserved a break
Like watching games in late October in the North under the stars so I can
    fell smug about the Dome
Figure the Braves, and not the Pirates, will be back next year
Approve of knuckleballers
Wanted to see Bonds in the World Series

Oh well.

Let's go (let's go)
Blue Jays (Blue Jays)
Let's.
Play.
Ball.
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From: ananim@aix.rpi.edu (Mark Anania Jr.)
Subject: THE BRAVES WIN!!! THE BRAVES WIN!!!!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:56:19 GMT


  The Subject says it all!!! I was trying to be the first to
post. 3 in the bottom of the ninth to win it 3-2...


-Mark....


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Runs Created
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:18:22 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <1992Oct10.140613.23600@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.010354.1776@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>
>>A = (TB + .26 * (BB + HB - IBB) + .52 * (SB + SF + SH)))
>>B = (H + BB + HB - CS - GDP)
>>C = (AB + BB + HB + SF + SH)
>>
>>RC = A * B / C

>Could someone explain to me the rationale for including
>GIDP in th "B" formula?  Yes, the batter is creating two
>outs in his at bat, but to me it seems that we are penalizing
>him for hitting ground outs with men on base.  We don't
>give him credit for advancing men on base, so in this way
>it seems somewhat unfair.

Well, B is supposed to measure how much a player gets on, and although he only
makes himself out once if he grounds into a double-play, he also removes a
teammate.  As far as giving credit for advancing men on base, *ideally* that
should happen, but since we don't have those type of numbers...  SH and SF are
*overvalued* in the A component in order to compensate for that fact.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: Re: YOU make the call!
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:30:26 GMT

Ah. I knew it was just a bad dream! 

Thanks. The Braves win tonight! Yes!
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Lesley Visser (Was: Jim Kat...Announcer with great insight.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct09.183230.29112@sco.COM>, erics@sco.COM (eric smith) writes:
|> 
|> voice stays lost for the rest of the playoffs.
|> 
|> And I wish CBS would just can the "human interest" stories from Lesley
|> whatever-her-name-is.
|> 

  It's Visser - and she's the wife of broadcaster Dick Stockton. She tends to
talk to him professionally as if he was just another announcer, but he seems
to allude to the relationship. The other night when Lesley said something
like "and I know Dick wouldn't appreciate..." Dick came back with - OF course
you know I don't appreciate that - you've heard me say that 1000 times. Or
something similar. Anyway, give me McCarver and Morgan.

-Ron

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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Game 7 NLCS
Organization: Kirsch's Ferret Farms
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:41:15 GMT
Keywords: youch!

Great game seven between the Braves and Pirates last night.  What a shame
the Bucs had to lose.  Just the fact that Leyland's been there three years in
a row and three years has gone home empty handed (except for the home version
of the NLCS game and some lovely parting gifts)

Was it me, my angle, or my televison, or did Skippy Belinda get squeezed on
three straight apparent strikes (can't remember the batter) in the fateful
ninth last night.  All this after the unfortunate Lind error.

You can't get any closer than missing the tag at home by about a foot in the
9th inning with two outs in game seven.  What a finish by the Braves.  If the
Bucs had any kind of bullpen, they'd be the NL Champs.  That is, if Leyland had
a go-to guy in the 9th, he would have been able to pinch hit for Drabek in the
8th and bring in his closer.  Unfortunately, Pittsburgh didn't have that luxury.

Oh well, we'll have to wait until next year to see if the Pirates can make it
four in a row.

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From: doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Three runs in the bottom of the ninth!!! 3-2 Final
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:01:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


 don't believe what I just saw.  The Braves scored 3 runs in the bottom of the ninth to win the NLCS 3-2.  The last two came with two outs and the bases loaded and a very close play at the plate.  I feel sorry for Jim Leyland, it's gotta be tough.  I'll be rooting for the Braves now that it's the US vs. Canada.

-David Oliver
SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: Bonds a bit testy
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 02:52:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <7OCT199215065789@wild.ucis.vill.edu> mcclure@wild.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD) writes:
>CBS just showed an interview with Barry Bonds. When asked about his post
>season slump, he angrily retorted: "What slump; I ain't in a slump". 
>

And he isn't.  In fact, he's been hitting what, .360 or .370 since Sept. 1?

Oh, I forgot.  The regular season doesn't matter...only postseason can produce
the "best" of anything.

Hey, bench Ernie Banks!  He never did *anything* in the postseason.  Now, Al
Newman...*there's* a clutch performer!  Y'know, he's got lotsa rings...

-- 
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Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!' -R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting...
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Felipe Alou
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:37:03 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <BvusuA.Dt6@cs.dal.ca> colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald) writes:

>	Does anyone have the carrer playing stats of future NL Manager of
>	the Year Felipe Alou?
>	Did he have any brothers or cousins who played?

His cousin Bob was a great Cuban player who was immortalized
in song by Desi Arnaz.

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From: mcclure@wild.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: PIRATES AGAINS!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:05:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

We just heard from a Pirates fan that Barry Bonds has made a commitment to 
winning the NL pennant. Are you trying to tell us that he was committing to
letting the Braves win it in 1991????? Maybe that explains his performance.
From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 15 Years of the Blue Jays
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:14:37 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael de Souza) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.181311.8503@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, schablan@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Sanjiv Chablaney) writes:
>> 
>> 	15 Years Toronto Blue Jays have waited for this moment.
>> 	15 Years we've had to hear from the American media  and
>> 		American fans , how a Canadian team 
>> 		will never or should never make it
>> 		to the World Series.
>> 	Well, it all ends today.
>> 
>> 	Today, October 12th, at around 6:30 pm, the torch will
>> 		be passed, the flag will be raised.
>> 
>> 	America's Greatest Game will officially be a Canadian Past Time.
>> 

>How many Canadiens play for the Jays, and their Canadien past time?

	I would probably say none - unless you include the Canadian
management/ownership that built this great team...
	Most young Canadians spend most of their rec time playing a real
sport - hockey.

-- 
Don Graves (don.graves@dragon.acadiau.ca)
Acadia University,
Wolfville, N.S. Canada
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:31:11 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1992Oct15.175738.23090@news2.cis.umn.edu>, thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu |> Further, assuming that Bream had been out at the plate (it was a pretty
|> close play), would somebody have been available to pinch-hit for the
|> leadoff pitcher in the 10th?

Glavine.

-- 
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Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: Designated Hitter Rule (was Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions)
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:06:06 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.154505.21395@stsci.edu>, wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
> But does the AL DH rule *require* that the pitcher not bat?  Could
> either (1) All nine fielders bat or (2) the designated hitter bat in
> the place of one of the other non-pitching fielders?

(1) Yes. All nine could bat. The DH is an *option*.

(2) No. The DH rule specifically says "...may bat for the pitcher...". 

With respect to these rules and my own league,

(1) We often have games where one team uses the DH but the other doesn't.

(2) We modifified our own constitution and by-laws to permit the DH
for players other than the pitcher, because of the exact wording of
the Official Rules of Baseball.

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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Personalities of players
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:00:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Oct16.060011.27000
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Often times, we see posts that go something like this: "Player X is an 
a**hole.  He does this and this and this.  He's arrogant and rude..."

Others on the net point out that you don't really *know* this, that you're
basing your information on the way the player is portrayed by
sportswriters who may or may not like him.

Evidence?

Rickey Henderson, one of the most maligned people in the game today, at
least as far as character.

The New York Times reported yesterday that after the playoffs ended,
Rickey was the only member of the A's who came over and congratulated
the Blue Jays.  Joe Carter was quoted as saying, "On the field he's a
real competitor, but off the field, he's really a nice guy."

[And he's *still* 100 times better than Cecil Fielder, too.]

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
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From: royg@netcom.com (Roy H. Gordon)
Subject: Sal, the barber, Maglie
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:04:25 GMT

OK, baseball experts and gurus.  I say that Sal, the barber, Maglie (so
named because he gave so many batters a close shave) was traded from the
*New York* Giants to their hated rival, the *Brooklyn* Dodgers in the 1950s.

My friend, who grew up in Brooklyn, and whose fondest memory is of the
Dodgers winning the 1955 World Series, maintains that Maglie never played
for the Bums.

Like all *Brooklyn* Dodger fans, he is thoroughly mentally confused. (I
realize I'm being incredibly kind here.)  But can someone please help me
out by posting (or emailing) the dates Maglie played for the Dodgers and
his regular season and WS record.  Didn't he also throw a no hitter when
he was with them?

BTW, the hatred between the clubs was mutual, and some Dodgers refused
to talk to Maglie when he first joined the team.  After all, he had been
throwing at them only a short time before.  (Can you imagine any of this
today?)

				-- Roy


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From: jcarr@dbs.com (John Carroll)
Subject: BRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVES!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:42:55 GMT
Organization: D&B Software, Inc.

Need I say more?

JBC

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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Cubs Close Season on Upnote
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:32:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.221329.17125@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com writes:
>
>As usual, it seems, the Cubs ended a dismal season on an upbeat note

YEP!  They didn't finish in LAST Place.


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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Morris pitches to the score? (kinda long)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:58:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.222224.6306@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
>
>Game 1 of the ALCS was almost the prototype Jack Morris game of 1992,
>except that they lost. Here is a summary of Jack's 34 starts this year.
>
>In 20 out of 34 games, he allowed the other team to score first. The
>Jays were an unbeleivable 13-7 in those games, with Morris going 9-6.
>(Someone: what is a normal team W-L when the opponent scores first? 
>Something less than .650, I imagine.)

I believe that the team which scores first wins something like 2/3 of
the time.  Morris had that inverted. :-)

>In only 9 games did the Jays get the lead first and keep it the entire
>way with Morris pitching.

Well, yes.  This is what happens when you give up most of your runs
early.  In the first inning, Morris gave up 25 runs in 33 innings.  (I
don't have the stuff from his last start.)  That's a RA of 6.82!!!
I'm not sure what his best innings are.  In innings 7-9, he has a
~4.50 RA or so...  Actually, in the second inning he gave up only 7
runs in 33 IP.  For a 1.91 RA.  But then inning #3 was bad again.

>In games in which Morris, and all of his charged runners, left the
>game with a lead, the Jays were 21-0, Morris getting 21 wins. The
>bullpen never allowed a Morris lead to escape, unless they did so
>with runners inherited from Morris. My notes didn't record this.

Wow!  This one is impressive!  Especially since Morris doesn't pitch
*that* many innings.  He has been mostly a seven-inning pitcher this
year.  A tribute to Ward/Henke, I would say.

>What all of this amounts to is if Morris pitches to the score,
>he does it when he is down by 1 or 2, and keeps it from getting worse.

Yes.  Which is why he would be 6-20 (or worse) on the Red Sox this
year.  A one-run deficit is death for a Red Sox pitcher.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
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Clemens four Cy Young!
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From: tanenbla@cs.columbia.edu (Michael Tanenblatt)
Subject: Re: john birch society
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:34:47 GMT

In article <92284.212537RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:

>   Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 21:25:37 EST
>   From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
>   Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
>
>   who is the pitcher who made a comeback from surgery a year or two (or
>   three) ago who is a member of the john birch society?  was that doug
>   drabek?

Eric Show?  I don't remember if he had surgery and made a comeback, but I
do believe he is (or was) a John Bircher.


--
Michael Tanenblatt
tanenbla@flounder.cs.columbia.edu
From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: YOU make the call! 
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:58:17 GMT

OK baseball buffs. It's time for Euge's Wacked Out "You make the Call"


I had a dream that I was thrown out at home after trying to score from
third on a fly ball to the OF. I actually crossed the plate well before the
ball came to home, but apparently I had left third too early. On an instant
replay, the OF bobbled the ball. The ball hit the palm of his glove,
bounced down. He reached with his hand and knocked the ball back up in the
air. Three seconds later, the ball was in his glove without having hit the
ground. The refs ruled that I had left third right after the ball bounced
off his glove but way before he had actually caught the ball. Thus I had
left 3rd too early and was out. Inning was over and the Braves' winning and
clinching run of the NLCS was nullified in the bottom of the ninth. Pirates
went on to win the 6th and 7th game and the NL title. :-(. Barry actually
hit a homer in the 7th to make Braves fans say "oohhhh, this IS a strange
series."

Were the refs right?

--
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: cito manages reasonab
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:16:47 GMT

From article <1992Oct11.180234.21601@ugle.unit.no>, by gg@iok.unit.no (Gus Gassmann):
> In article <1992Oct11.4235.46137@dosgate>, stephen.dawson@canrem.com (stephen dawson) writes:
> |> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes
> |> 
> |> SH>I agree that Cito threw away yesterday's game to the As.
> |> SH>Why Morris in the 9th when u have fire-ballers like Ward.
> |> 
> |> The magnitude of Gaston's error was obvious in game 3. Ward was not
> |> sharp because of lack of work.
> 
> Do I take that to mean that the Jays lost? I have not heard, nor
> will I find any scores in the paper until oh, about Wednesday.
> (And they call it USA Today-- more like Day before yesterday...)

No you can't take that meaning, Ward just didn't pitch well. The Jays
still won it was just closer than it should have been.
--
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gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!