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From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL: Mrs. Bo Brady?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:04:05 GMT

In article <50431@shamash.cdc.com> doreen@svl.cdc.com (Doreen Kasson) writes:
>
>Oh dear, I can't believe I'm about to defend the Carpetbag.  Forgive
>me my sisters.  When Jennifer, who is considered a professional working
>woman, and a public one at that, changed her name from Horton to
>Deveraux, nobody complained.  OK, so maybe ANYTHING Camelface does will
>enrage people, and I can't argue with that.  Just pointing it out.


I really don't think the original issue here was whether or not the woman
in question assumes her husband's surname.   I think we can all agree to 
respect the decision of the woman in this matter.  But rather, the point
was the notion of calling someone "Mrs. John Doe", in this example, 
"Mrs. Bo Brady".  And yes, she did say it once.   I have a problem with
this too and always have.   I do see it as making the woman an extension
of her man if she cannot even retain any bit of her name when being 
formally addressed.   "Mrs. Carly Brady" would work fine for me, as would
any of the hyphenated varieties.   I do see a point in making the surname
the same, as it shows that the couple is now a family and has one family
name.   Some of Susan's relatives address birthday cards to her as 
"Mrs. Timothy Mizerak" and it makes me nuts.  They knew her for 22 years
before she was married and now suddenly she is no longer Susan???   It's
just silly, if you ask me.   And I also find that the people who use this
convention are the same ones that tend to behave in ways that indicate to
me that they place the man in the superior role.   So, to me, there *is*
something in a name.


>>Personally, it made me gag.  When a woman willingly reduces herself to
>>an extention of her man, I am enraged.  I am another of those who kept
>Now, tell me just how is a woman reducing herself to a mere extension
>of a her husband have anything to do with the changing of her name?
>I'm sorry, but I must take offense to this.


But Doreen, would you want to be known as "Mrs. Matthew Kasson"??


>But then again, the Wonderdoc won't have to worry about what her name
>will be since she won't become Mrs. Bozo Brady!!

Maybe "Mrs. Lawrence Allemain"!!!  :)

>-- Doreen

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:47:31 EST
From: Joni Snyder <JSNYDER@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: Update WED 12/16

In article <199212161917.AA01150@donne.unx.sas.com>, alex@unx.sas.com (Alexandra
Bost) says:
>
>Update for AMC, Wednesday, December 16th, Featuring:
>
>Adam Gets His Day in Court
>--------------------------
>At Dixie's, Gloria, Stuart, and Brian and Dixie are playing with Junior.
>Dixie and Brian are dressed for the trial.  The doorbell rings -- it's the
>press, who rush in and ask Jr who he wants to live with -- his mother or
>father?  Opal, Palmer, Livia and Tom arrive and throw them out.  Stuart

During this scene Palmer says Jr. may find out about the trail from
other kids at "nursery school".  A couple of weeks ago Palmer said
Jr. was 6 years old.  If this is true why would a 6 yr. old be going
to nursery school when he should be in first grade.  Jr. seems
much older and more mature than my "very precocious" 4 year old
that goes to pre-school.  My son seems to be bigger though.

Joni Snyder

>Alexandra Bost                |      _   _    ___  _ _
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Subject: AMC:New Poster
From: acutshall@acs.harding.edu
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:31:44 -0500
Reply-To: acutshall@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

I finally gathered enough courage to become a poster instead of a lurker. My 
name is Alana and I'm a secretary in the Computer Center at Harding Universityin Searcy, Arkansas. Yes ladies and gentlemen, SEARCY, ARKANSAS!!! (And there 
really is such a place). I've been reading everyone's comments, updates, and 
predictions about AMC, and I must say that I've thoroughly enjoyed them.  I'vebeen a fan of AMC since the first day I watched it, which was the episode when 
Jenny and Greg (and I think Tad,too) were at the lake and Jenny was killed 
when a bomb exploded on the jetski she was riding.  Was that meant for someoneelse?  Anyway, I just want to let my new AMC friends know that I'm alive and I 
am looking forward to communicating with you.  Now,there is something I would like to ask you guys: Is anyone else out there getting a little impatient and 
frustrated with the way Gloria is acting with the Stuart/Adam deal?  Adam's 
going to have a permanent hand mark on his face the way she's slapping him 
around.  And I hope she doesn't hurt Stuart's feelings.  He's so sweet!

     There's so much I want to say, but I don't want to bore you guys.  Pleasefeel free to comment.  I'd love to hear from ya! Oh! One more thing.  Are there
any AMC fans out there who are also loyal fans of Melrose Place? It would be 
the beginning of a beautiful postership!!!!!

                                   Later,
                                   Alana
From: doreen@svl.cdc.com (Doreen Kasson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Mrs. Bo Brady?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:27:55 GMT
Distribution: usa

shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu writes:

>>Am I the only one who finds this annoying/unrealistic?  Carly said to Bo,
>>"Tomorrow I will be Mrs. Bo Brady."  Not Carly Brady or Carly Manning-Brady.
>>She's a doctor with an established practice for crying out loud! Do the

Oh dear, I can't believe I'm about to defend the Carpetbag.  Forgive
me my sisters.  When Jennifer, who is considered a professional working
woman, and a public one at that, changed her name from Horton to
Deveraux, nobody complained.  OK, so maybe ANYTHING Camelface does will
enrage people, and I can't argue with that.  Just pointing it out.

>Personally, it made me gag.  When a woman willingly reduces herself to
>an extention of her man, I am enraged.  I am another of those who kept

Now, tell me just how is a woman reducing herself to a mere extension
of a her husband have anything to do with the changing of her name?
I'm sorry, but I must take offense to this.

If women wish to keep their family names after they get married, that
is perfectly fine -- no problem with that.  Also, if women wish to
change their name, that is also not a problem.

What I do have a problem with is that people assume that I am giving
in or am less of an independent individual once I have changed my last
name to my husband's.  I am sure enough with myself that no matter what
my name is, I am still the same person.

>I'm a woman who likes her name and saw no
>reason, and was given no reason to change it other than - thats the
>way its done.

Then good for you.  Since you feel so strongly about it, I'm glad
nobody succeeded in convincing you otherwise.

But then again, the Wonderdoc won't have to worry about what her name
will be since she won't become Mrs. Bozo Brady!!

-- Doreen

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From: semele@oscar.bellcore.com (Semele Halkedis)
Subject: Re: ATWT
Reply-To: semele@oscar.bellcore.com (Semele Halkedis)
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:04:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.022606.7352@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, kwheaton@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Karen Wheaton (Micro Group)) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.202208.18866@news.stolaf.edu> kriesel@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Julie R Kriesel) writes:

deleted SpecialK's comments about freaking out during exams.

|> >Excuse me for lurking for so long...not used to using news the "hard" way.
|> I don't agree with you about the wedding situation.  I got married the 
|> Saturday after exams (the semester before I graduated).  For one, I never
                                                                     ^^^^^^^
|> got stressed out from exams.  Also, I didn't really have any exams that
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> semester.  It is very feasible to get married around exam time.  If
|> you really want to be married soon it seems like it is a lot easier than
|> it would be right in the middle of a semester.
|> Just my $.02
|> 
|> Karen Wheaton
|> kwheaton@loligo.cc.fsu.edu


Welcome to the Ward, Karen.  Based on your obviously stable personality,
I hereby nominate you to be Ward Counselor.  Repeat after me the 
Hippocratic/Frantic/Marshiatic Oath:

*I will not make a shambles out of my own life, declare that I am too
messed up to counsel the Wayne'sWorld residents, and then move to
Montega to do that very thing.

*I will not make out with my brain dead patients while in my office. (I will
confine all such activities to the linen closet.)

Stever will now see to your induction into Ward D.  Enjoy!

GGG
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From: tchambers@TrentU.CA (panda's bear)
Subject: OLTL - A New Gabrielle?
Reply-To: tchambers@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:38:45 GMT

I read in SOW that OLTL is now re-casting the part of Gabrielle Holden.  
Does anyone out there have any suggestions as to who could play her?  Does 
anyone want anyone else to play her other than Fiona Hutchison?
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From: mcmahon@nd.edu (Sheila M. McMahon)
Subject: Re: ATWT: Trivia #9
Keywords: WHOAKim
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:44:48 GMT

In article <1gikigINNig5@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mike@scbked.larc.nasa.gov (Michael S warner) writes:

>In article <mcmahon.203@nd.edu> mcmahon@nd.edu (Sheila M. McMahon) writes:
>>In article <1gg70qINNfd5@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mike@scbked.larc.nasa.gov (Michael S warner) writes:
>>
>>>6) As for Tom's campaign manager the first time... I think it was WHOAKim! 
>>>Before Patterns when she had nothing to do.  There's a trivia question for
>>>you, IGoT -- what has Kim Hughes ever done with her life besides "Patterns"
>>>and getting married.
>>
>>Oh come on EtTu, ask me something I don't know!!!
>>She was a nightclub singer!!! That was before she came to Yuckdale!!

>Yes, my dear, but she's been in Yuckdale for 20 years now at least.  Has she
>ever had gainful employment IN YUCKDALE before Patterns?  And what brought
>her to Yuckdale in the first place?

OOPS!!! Methinks I got a little to smug in my response!! I can't recall if 
she has ever had gainful employment in Yuckdale before Patterns. You see, I
started watching around the time she started working on Patterns. (I remember
the first episode). Anyway, I seem to recall reading that when she was 
married to Nick Andropolous, he was a male chauvinist who didn't want Kim to
work, so I'm guessing that she wanted or had a job. I am humbled to admit 
that I do not know for sure if she had one or not. I may have to step down
as goddess.

She came to Yuckdale to be with her sister Jennifer.

>>Irish

>Try that one on for size!

I humbly apologize for being so snippy with you EtTu!! Can you ever forgive
me???

>EtTuMike

Irish
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From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: B&B:  Problems, problems
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:57:40 GMT


	Dear everybody who reads B&B updates:

	Due to unavoidable circumstance surrounding the holiday
season, my VCR is unavailable, repeat, unavailable for taping during
the upcoming weeks.  Hopefully, after New Year's Day the situation
will resolve itself, but as of now...
	2-year-olds just want to watch Barney,
and
	babysitters/fiancees just want to stay sane.

	I hope y'all will understand.  I want to know who the
father of Brooke's baby is too!

	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov
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From: rpeck@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (robert william peck)
Subject: OLTL: missing update, Thurs. Dec. 17th
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:12:43 GMT

I will not be posting an update for last Thursday; unfortunately, I
accidently taped Friday's episode over it!  For anyone who's going to be
lurking this week, though, I will be doing a Christmas Eve
update--probably sometime this weekend.  Have a wonderful holiday,
everyone!!!  Intruding minds *need* a break!!!

--Bob
From: cjaeger@bogart.uucp (Cecilia Jaeger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AW: Pop Trivia!
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:10:52 GMT
Organization: ism:c:m/xo

In article <Bz3sp5.xy@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umevan13@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tracey L. Evans) writes:
>In <Dec.3.10.50.34.1992.18015@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>
>>qaly@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>>Pop trivia Quiz ... 
>
>>1. Does anyone remember when Amanda first met Sam?
>They first met at Amanda's coming out party...she was parking cars.

	HE was parking cars, when she showed up he thought she was there
to park cars too and he put her to work. She told him her name was Mandy.

>
>>2. What was the BIG inconsistency involving the naming of Sam and Amanda's
>>   child?
>Didn't know there was one :)

	I don't know what the inconsistency is, but I remember Ali 
(or Alexander? ) was Mac's mother's name.

>
>Tracey Evans
><umevan13@ccu.Umanitoba.CA>
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From: lhess@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Leah Surber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: GL: Wardrobe
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:54:29 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<1992Dec13.153117.28094@umbc3.umbc.edu>
Reply-To: lhess@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Leah Surber)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

In article <1992Dec13.153117.28094@umbc3.umbc.edu> sher@umbc4.umbc.edu (Sherri
Crain) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.171033.4252@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Liz%Eng%Banyan@magnolia.banyan.com writes:
>
>>You know, there is a fine line between tastefull and tasteless, and I think 
>>Eve's hemline passed it about five inches ago.
>>
>>Are they trying to turn her into a sleaze queen, or what???
>

   It's not so bad when she wears them to go out - but then
   she had to go and wear on to work - definitely unprofessional!



L.
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From: linda@unix.SRI.COM (Linda J. Szkoropad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: SB:  Justin Deas
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:27:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

>>lhess@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Leah Surber) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   It also says Justin Deas (RH,ATWT,SB) has been signed to play
>>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>   Frank Sr. - first air date in early Feb.
>>>
>>
>Sheesh!  Unless he's aged since I last saw him on SB, or they are going to do
>a good make-up job on him, Deas dosen't seem old enough to be "Frank, Sr."


read on:

_______________

Well folks, when SB dies, in Feb. we can catch Justin in Another
World....yoy

Vivian!  You poor thing for never knowing Keith Timmons!  That
whiney little lovable weasle...the only true love match for Gina.

Linda Szkoropad


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Subject: Re: GL: Deas as Frank, Sr. (was Re: GL: Mindy News)
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Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California
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>>lhess@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Leah Surber) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   It also says Justin Deas (RH,ATWT,SB) has been signed to play
>>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>   Frank Sr. - first air date in early Feb.
>>>
>>
>Sheesh!  Unless he's aged since I last saw him on SB, or they are going to do
>a good make-up job on him, Deas dosen't seem old enough to be "Frank, Sr."
read on:






_______________

Well folks, when SB dies, in Feb. we can catch Justin in Another
World....yoy

Vivian!  You poor thing for never knowing Keith Timmons!  That
whiney little lovable weasle...the only true love match for Gina.

Linda Szkoropad


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From: jcj@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (j.johnk)
Subject: SB: Help!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:57:36 GMT

Good morning to all my fellow SB netters,
I haven't had a chance to read news yet.  But I wanted
to ask (if no one has that day) to please post an
update from Friday, 12/11.  You see here in the Northeast,
we had a terrible storm that produced lots of rain and wind
gusts up to 90 mph.  Anyway I lost power at about 7:30am
on Friday and finally got it back on Sunday at about 6:00pm.
Needless to say I was not a happy camper at all this weekend.
We have a leaky roof, but other than that and no power we
(my boyfriend and myself) are fine.  My neighbor lost a 
tree and a fence, some other neighors lost screens and 
shutters.  Anyway, Thank God we are all okay.
John, Curt my fellow NJ delegates, how are things with 
you?  I heard PA got lots of snow, Suzanne, how are things
in Pittsburgh?  And anyone who lives this way, Nancy, Nelson
and our friends in MA, hope things are well.  Talk to later
on the net.  

Linda I found a picture to send you, I will send it today or
tomorrow.

Gotta Go.
Joyce (reporting in from the battered NJ coast and the NJ delgation).
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From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: Re: SB:  Comments
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:37:56 GMT

In article <BzF1Mp.7wu@cs.psu.edu> morgan@math.psu.edu (Ilene Morgan) writes:
>Hi, all--today I passed my doctoral comprehensive examination! 

Yay!!!!!!!!

 Now all I
>have to do is write a thesis (nothing serious).

Nah, no problem. You can hand it in next week.


>
>Anyway, since I've been so busy I've been pretty quiet between posting
>updates, but I've read and enjoyed all of the discussion and I'll try
>to participate more between now and the end.  (Sounds so final, doesn't it.)

 < Wimper >

>
>Also, many thanks to all of the other updaters.  Now that my VCR has been
>so sick, I really appreciate being able to keep up with what I missed.

No problem!!

>
>I agree that SB looks like it's going to go out with a whimper instead of
>with a bang.  Maybe they'll surprise us.

How? By shooting Warren instead of a Christmas tree? By having BJ stab
every man in her life because Frank is still with her? By having Minx
start holding weekly seances and introducing SB's women to the coven?
By Gina ripping her $6,000 dress during Lilly's wedding? By having
Ted and Angela fall down an elevator shaft (ala L.A. Law)? By Micah
going nuts because there is no God in his life and killing all his
patients? By having Giovanni fall in love with Lisa? By having Mason 
and Julia adopt not only the new baby but also the pregnant teenager?

I don't _think_ so ...


Jean


>
>Ilene


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	purely physical effect on the  human temperament  would most 
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Subject: Re: AMC: TAN: Chrismas trees
From: mitch@cdthq.UUCP (Mitch Harris)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:36:26 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

zaccaria@mtl.mit.edu (Carolyn Zaccaria) writes:

> In article <1992Dec10.205442.27410@utagraph.uta.edu> pmmuggli@midway.edn.uokn
> 
> I thought the Xmas tree at Adam's house was/is *Gorgeous*. Looked like
> a Dept. Store decorator came in and really decorated up a storm.
> 
> Do any of your trees look that good? :-)
> 
> CAZ


Not only did it look good, Caz, but Haley had it up & decorated in no time 
flat! It takes *hours* for me & the BH to put ours up, and I always thought 
we went at a pretty good clip!
Oh, well....

........Beverly H.
From: slowther@ducvax.auburn.edu (Sam Lowther)
Subject: Re: ATWT: Walsh Background ?'s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Auburn University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:08:00 GMT

In article <mcmahon.211@nd.edu>, mcmahon@nd.edu (Sheila M. McMahon) writes...

>Chilly's adopted father was Martin Guest. This was the man that Chilly 
>thought was her father until that fateful day in the stable when she found
>out the truth. Martin Guest arranged for the illegal adoption of Chilly.
>He committed suicide because of his guilt over his actions or he was going
>to be found out or some such nonsense.  Next, Juicy married Mr. Walsh (I
>don't know if he was ever given a name). Juicy and Chilly both took his name
>hence the reason Chilly was Chilly Walsh rather than Chilly Guest. Marrying
>Mr. Walsh gave Juicy the security she never had as a child, and when Mr. 
>Walsh died of natural causes (he was an old man), Juicy inherited Walsh, 
>along with Mr. Walsh's son, Connor and Evan's father. Juicy took control of
>the company because James Walsh was a weak man and unfit to run the company.
>Connor and Evan, spurred on by Edweenie, vowed revenge and that's why they
>took over Walsh from Juicy. James Walsh committed suicide because he was a
>weak man.

I never was very clear on the sequence of these marriages.  Regardless, when
Juicy first appeared on the show, it was mentioned several times that she had
four or five former husbands, with substantial resources gained from most or
all of them.  Seems like she even ran down the list once, but Walsh and Guest
are the only two that I've heard mentioned in years.

--Sam

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