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From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
Subject: anti-semitism
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:26:01 GMT

In article <1650@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
>jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence) writes:
>: 
>: I have noticed so poor usages of the term "anti-Semitic" in this
>: thread. I know it sounds so nit-picky, but terms are terms. The phrase
>: Anti-Semitic is a relativly new term, late 1940's I believe, that refers
>: to a RACE of people, such as the Jews and the Arabs. With this in mind,
>: the Pope's meeting with Arafat can not be Anti-Semitic. Anti-Judaic
>: refers to the religion of many Semitic people. 
>
>Actually, the term "anti-semite" was coined in the 19th century
>by a French (German?) anti-semite, whose name I have forgotten.
>He was using the phrase to legimate his own anti-semitism.  While
>"semitic" refers to a language group (not a race) which includes
>Arabs as well as Jews, "anti-semite" has never meant anything other
>than "Jew-hater".
>
>Bill     : 

Yes, that's true.  I posted this a while ago, but apparently it hasn't
appeared yet:


	'Antisemitism' is a problematic term, first invented in the
	1870s by the German journalist Wilhelm Marr to describe
	the 'non-confessional' hatred of Jews and Judaism which he
	and others like him advocated...

	'Antisemitism' -- a term which came into general use as
	part of this politically motivated anti-Jewish campaign of
	the 1880s -- was never directed against 'Semites' as such....

	...As a result, for the last hundred years, the illogical
	term 'antisemitsm', which never really meant hatred of
	'Semites' (for example, Arabs) at all, but rather hatred of
	Jews, has come to be accepted in general usage as denoting
	*all* forms of hostility towards Jews and Judaism throughout
	history.

	-- Robert S. Wistrich, Antisemitism:  The Longest Hatred,
	Thames Mandarin, 1992.

Jeff Shallit


The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so
much that ain't so. 
Josh Billings' Encyclopedia of Wit and Wisdom (1874)
From: snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: America Enslaved
Keywords: Natural Rights
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:16:05 PST
Reply-To: snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



   In  Message-ID:  <1992Dec11.094156.22117@u.washington.edu>   (Tim  Smith)
   writes:

>>
>>    There  is  another  "implied  consent"  theory  that  is  somewhat  more
>>   complicated  than the restuarant example , and more suspect in it's legal
>>   foundation as well.

>Do you mean to imply that there is something suspect about the restaurant
>example?

    Not overtly . I mean it's not obvious, but hidden.

>          ("X is more Y than Z" usually means that both X and Z are Y, at
>least when used by non-mathematicians.)  If so, what is suspect about the
>restaurant example?


   The suspicious part of that transaction is that which is used as  "money"
   or  the  dollar  bills  .   Are  they  real or counterfeit? Does the 14th
   amendment change the meaning of the word "money"? I had planned  to  talk
   about  this,  but later on . I guess I subconsciously "tipped my hand" by
   phrasing it the way you noticed.

   You're an astute reader.  I really did mean to avoid this issue  for  the
   time being .

   J.O.
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: An open letter to Chip Berlet
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:50:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:news.cerf.net:4004:cdp:1299600153:000:1598
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Dec 14 20:50:00 1992


From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet>
Subject: An open letter to Chip Berlet

/* Written  3:59 am  Dec  9, 1992 by ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu in igc:alt.conspiracy */
/* ---------- "Chip Berlet" ---------- */
Who is this Chip Berlet?  Why is he so upset with Bo Gritz?  Is he telling the
truth about Bo Gritz?

For several months I have been learning everything I can about Bo Gritz, 
gathering all the data I can find from many sources in addition to Usenet.  I
have found nothing to indicate that Bo Gritz is either an anti-Semite or a
white racist.  Isn't that a bit peculiar?  If Gritz were the Jew hater and
white racist Berlet says he is, wouldn't the evidence be everywhere?  Surely I
could find quotes, writings, speeches.  Yet Chip Berlet is circulating the
same, monotonous stuff he was sending out nearly a year ago.

What's the matter Chip?  Can't you find anything fresh?  Preferably something
a little more substantive than a list of bigots he has known.  I'll bet you've
known a few bigots yourself, haven't you Chip?

What is Berlet's beef anyway?  What are his motives?  What do we really know
about this guy?  Who is he working for?  Can we be sure he's not making a 
lot of this stuff up?

I've tried to track a bunch of this stuff down, but so far all I've found are a
bunch of rumors and unsubstantiated gossip.  I wonder where all this crap 
comes from?

You're not one of those rumor mongers I keep hearing about, are you Chip?  Tell
us a little something about yourself in your next post, OK?  Who do you work
for?
---------------
John W. Redelfs
ksjwr@acad1.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:06:45 GMT

Marc E. Talbot (met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:
: 
: >This morning, WBAI-FM (99.5) in New York City interviewed Cuba's
: >U.N. Ambassador Hidalgo, former Israeli intelligence official
: >Ari Ben-Menashe and Jack Colhoun, journalist for THE GUARDIAN.
: >They gave this story:
: 
: >There is a clandestine CIA front company named Maverick Aviation
: >which is buying up Soviet military helicopters, fighter aircraft
: >and military transport aircraft. These confidants say that this
: >activity has "all the earmarks of a covert operation." They voiced
: >their belief that the brewing CIA plot is designed to takeover the
: >Government of Cuba under the guise of an internal coup d'etat 
: >conspired by the highest echelons of Cuba's military staff.
: 
: >The planned CIA overthrow will presumably involve the anti-Castro   
: >Cuban contingent of the CIA, which has lately been launching raids 
: >onto Cuban soil -- attacks presumably ordered by high CIA officials.
: >These raids have been well concealed by the corporate mass media,
: >controller of information and thought among the people of our nation.
: 
: Don't suppose you have any documentation for these raids?  I find
: it hard to believe that various news organizations wouldn't
: be killing each other to break the story.
: 
: >    John DiNardo
: 

With the CIA controlling the news organizations around the world, and perhaps
making CNN contradict the plan if news organizations wanted to check with them,
the story will never break.

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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.slack,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Lincoln Assassination
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:12:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Just a pointer for anybody following this thread. I am about to
repost the three part article originally appearing in Lyndon
LaRouche's New Federalist "Why the British Had to Kill Lincoln".
The Author, Rochelle Asher, is presently serving time in a Virginia
state prison. This series was originally posted on alt.activism
by John Covici (covici@ccs.covici.com)

-Steve
From: orwell@reg.triumf.ca (BALDEN, RON)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove (was: Re: Bohemian Party???)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:32 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Dec19.011532.28045@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, 
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes...
>In article <1992Dec14.084641.16462@u.washington.edu> pirone@milton.u.washington.edu (cocteau) writes:
>>
>>howdy,
>> 
>>   has anyone heard of the 'Bohemian' party or gathering
>>   that is supposed to take place once a year or once every
>>   four years near or on the Russian river in california.
>>   Supposedly this gathering includes top officials of 
>>   U.S. government, banking, industry, AND the media.
>>   This is the second time i've posted looking for info
>>   on this topic, if you know anything or have just 'heard
>>   of it' like i have, please email me or post.
>>
> 
>sounds to my like whoever told you this had just finished Illuminatus 
>Trilogy and was looking to see who he could get to believe this kinda
>stuff.
> 
> 

Not at all.  This is the yearly `Bohemian Grove' gathering.  It is described
in Lewis Lapham's "Money and Class in America" (1988, HC110 W4 L24 -- 
in Bantam paperback) Lapham, currently editor of Harper's, was born
into a very wealthy San Francisco family, and has some personal
knowledge of the plutocracy. 

Also the Bohemian Grove gathering is mentioned in one of the profiles
of American CEO's (I think it is T.K. Jones of Northrop) presented in
"The Big Boys: Power and Position in American Business" by Ralph Nader
and William Taylor (1986, HD2785 N33). 

The Bohemian Grove gathering was named recently (last year?)
as one of the "top ten censored stories of the year" in the
U.S. mass media by Project Censored (Communications
Studies Program, Sonoma State University, CA.)

I think the sociologist G. William Domhoff (or perhaps one of
his collaborators) has an essay entitled "Bohemian Grove and
other Gatherings".  Domhoff's work (starting circa 1965), following in the
tradition of C. Wright Mills ("The Power Elite", 1956) is an
invaluable resource for understanding the real power structure of the
U.S..  I used to think sociologists were morons 
("The Sociological Imagination" by Mills, 1959, contains a devastating
indictment of the jargon-filled vacuity of the then high-priest of
American sociology, Talcott Parsons -- the kind of thing I thought
was characteristic of the breed) but now I realize most
of them -- like economists -- are unwitting ideological front men.
A few sociologists are very much worth reading, and Domhoff is 
definitely one of them.

Ron Balden

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.092839.2162@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>                                                          He was
>in the government's hands for thirteen years and was as sane as most of
>the people on this net. 

If this is really the case, I have no problem with his being incarcerated.
Perhaps you should have chosen a better sample set for your sanity benchmark.

-- 
                          | You have all the time from when you remove the |
     Martin F. Melhus     | card(s) from your hand until you put it (them) |
 mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu | on the pile to say "Last Card".  If you don't, |
                          | take your two. - Hidden texts, Book of MauMau. |
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: A Letter to the Editor
Date: 20 Dec 92 09:32:05 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <BzJBBB.5yL@demon.co.uk>, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.161824.2207@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> :But Bhutros Bhutros is only a puppet.  Who really swings the hammer?
> :Is the US going down the vortex of internationalism or are the US/British
> :oligarchy using the UN to recolonize the third world?  Or both?  What
> :gives?
> 
> On a related tack, is this Panic character in Yugoslavia who is being pushed
> as the 'western businessman' trying to make President the same Colonel Panic
> who was mentioned in reports of the original split a long time ago?  Did he
> dump his Corps and pretend to be a civilian?  I wonder if he's a US puppet
> in the making?
> 
I have no idea if there is any connection to Colonel Panic, but have read
that he filed for bankruptcy and left this country owing a lot of people
money...All of which raises the natural question as to who is funding him
in Serbian politics.
From: General Steamship <gss@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:10 PST
Subject: Re: Gritz - Mormon officials warn again
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec3.054400.6335@cs.ucla.edu:-2053869128:cdp:1299600156:000:70
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!gss    Dec 18 09:10:00 1992


What are the cardinal doctrines that Gritz doesn't agree with?

Craig

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:50:46 GMT

> Pete Ashdown writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <BzDLpI.994@javelin.sim.es.com>
> Posted: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:39:1
>
> Org.  : Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
>
> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>
> >So what does all this mean?  It means that for the first time, we have
> >verifiable evidence of high-technology aircraft being designed or built by
> >U.S. aerospace corporations at secret underground installations. These
> >aircraft do not depend on aerodynamic lift from wings, propellers, jet
> >thrust, etc.
>
> What I'm baffled about is the lack of high quality film and video cameras
> that
> UFO enthusiasts refuse on using when they go to spy on these underground
> bases.  When the hunter goes hunting, they usually bring a gun.
> --
>                         What's the frequency, Kenneth?
>
> DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that
> way.
> Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com
> ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown


No no no!  It can't be a REAL UFO unless it looks like a fuzzy, indistinct
blob videotaped by someone who was having a spasm attack!  :)


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"
From: bz965@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Hatch)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Bohemian Grove
Date: 19 Dec 1992 03:27:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


There is an annual gathering in Northern California which takes
place at an area called Bohemian Grove. The guests are major 
figures in industry, government, etc... I suggest that if you
are really interested in the subject, that you visit the
newspaper room of your University library and ask the librarian.
The posts on this subject here are a good example of what happens
when people don't take the time to actually research something,
but only trade rumors and opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:47:50 GMT

In article <Bz2CBE.Avr@cmptrc.lonestar.org> jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence) writes:
>
>I have noticed so poor usages of the term "anti-Semitic" in this
>thread. I know it sounds so nit-picky, but terms are terms. The phrase
>Anti-Semitic is a relativly new term, late 1940's I believe, that refers
>to a RACE of people, such as the Jews and the Arabs. With this in mind,
>the Pope's meeting with Arafat can not be Anti-Semitic. Anti-Judaic
>refers to the religion of many Semitic people. 

Ahh... the Net:  where ignorant purveyors of misinformation delight in
"nit-picking" about things they know nothing of.

	'Antisemitism' is a problematic term, first invented in the
	1870s by the German journalist Wilhelm Marr to describe
	the 'non-confessional' hatred of Jews and Judaism which he
	and others like him advocated...

	'Antisemitism' -- a term which came into general use as
	part of this politically motivated anti-Jewish campaign of
	the 1880s -- was never directed against 'Semites' as such....

	...As a result, for the last hundred years, the illogical
	term 'antisemitsm', which never really meant hatred of
	'Semites' (for example, Arabs) at all, but rather hatred of
	Jews, has come to be accepted in general usage as denoting
	*all* forms of hostility towards Jews and Judaism throughout
	history.

	-- Robert S. Wistrich, Antisemitism:  The Longest Hatred,
	Thames Mandarin, 1992.

Jeff Shallit


The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so
much that ain't so. 
Josh Billings' Encyclopedia of Wit and Wisdom (1874)
From: geturner@aer.com (George Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Justice conspiracy, anyone?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:17:39 GMT
Organization: Atmospheric & Environmental Research, Inc.

The real crime of "Iran-Contra" was the passage of the Boland Amendment.
A "Stab in the Back" if ever there was one.  It really shows how little
control the president has over the budget process and by extension, the
deficit.  Congress basically says, "Pass this or the country comes to a halt."
George Bush tried, remember early in his presidency when the National
Parks were closed?  You really can't blame Ronald Reagan or George Bush
for the deficit.  Where they were able to make some cuts, they were 
characterized in the media for "tearing apart the cities".
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: The Newmanites, NAP and Fulani
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:31:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1299600143:000:653
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Dec 11 18:31:00 1992


/* Written  9:15 pm  Dec  8, 1992 by cberlet in igc:publiceye */
/* ---------- "The Newmanites, NAP and Fulani" ---------- */
/* Written  7:45 pm  Dec  8, 1992 by cberlet in igc:p.news */
/* ---------- "The Newmanites, NAP and Fulani" ---------- */
/* Written  1:38 pm  Feb 14, 1992 by cberlet in igc:publiceye */
/* ---------- "The Newmanites, NAP and Fulani" ---------- */

Due to requests for information following the interviews of Chip Berlet
and Dr. Fred Newman on NPR's "Fresh Air" program, the following reply
files contain the text of the Political Research Associates study
"Clouds Blur the Rainbow: The Other Side of the New Alliance Party."
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: A Letter to the Editor
Summary: kernel panic - core dumped
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:40:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.161824.2207@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
:But Bhutros Bhutros is only a puppet.  Who really swings the hammer?
:Is the US going down the vortex of internationalism or are the US/British
:oligarchy using the UN to recolonize the third world?  Or both?  What
:gives?

On a related tack, is this Panic character in Yugoslavia who is being pushed
as the 'western businessman' trying to make President the same Colonel Panic
who was mentioned in reports of the original split a long time ago?  Did he
dump his Corps and pretend to be a civilian?  I wonder if he's a US puppet
in the making?

G
From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Nixon Tapes - A New Chapter
Keywords: Nixon, Tricky Dick
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:47:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

And don't forget, Dicky was in Dallas the morning of the assassination.

Also, the Bush and Nixon families go way back, and it's been alleged that
George was in Dallas as well, though he reports that he doesn't remember
where he was on that fateful day. I was three years old and I remember,
but I guess that's different.

								MPA
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Justice conspiracy, anyone?
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:57:56 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <bill.724040474@castor>, bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M.
Eldridge) writes: 
> I guess the Iraqgate conspiracy is a bit low level compared to
> Nuclear War I, but the complete whitewash yesterday by the Justice
> Department ("We find all accusations that we did anything wrong
> completely unfounded and just the mad yapping of the liberal
> press and Congress") is pretty amazing when you think about it.

What's amazing is the obsession of congressional Democrats -- and their
followers -- to criminalize this issue (and several others) by prosecuting
ideological policy differences under the banner of "conspiracy".  What better
way to 'win' than to assign unlimited time, unlimited money, and unlimited
staff (with very limited Congressional oversight) to Walsh drones, so they
can threaten to bankrupt their targets unless they agree to admit to some
-- any -- horrendous crime.

And, of course, it's ever so much politically safer to do that than to openly
argue their differences in policy strategy with the Administration.  And 
that's really what this is all about:  in an open, public debate the liberals 
fear they would lose in the court of public opinion.  If you doubt it, then 
let's get down to brass tacks: why hasn't there been any such debate on the
MERITS of the issues?  All that's been displayed for the TV cameras are pious
denunciations of "conspiracies" and "criminal behavior." 

Anyway, I wouldn't fret:  it's a safe bet that Clinton will allow this
charade to continue.  Be cheered by the thought of at least four more years
of Walsh & Co -- assuming they don't go to jail for tax evasion.  Take
comfort from the knowledge that your Congress won't rest if there's the
slightest chance they can pin something -- anything -- on somebody in the
prior Administrations.  And they will; after all, who can afford to fight the
unlimited power of a Walsh drone?  They'll fold, one by one.  Vindication! 

> By the way, Walsh got two accounts against Claire George yesterday 
> in our other mainstream conspiracy - pretty good, considering all
> the hurdles Congress and the President put in front of him.

("Congress"?  What hurdles are you referring to?)
Gee.  It only took how many millions to get a conviction for the heinous
crime of "lying to Congress" -- I trust Clinton's new Justice Department will
push to make this a capital offense (if Republicans are involved). 

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