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From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:17:33 GMT

tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:

>Homosexuals are a fact of life.  They have been around for thousands 
>of years.  They aren't going away.  Ever.  Get used to it.

Indisputable fact. But, it has NOT been represented as a legitimate
lifestyle until recently. That representation is what I refuse to "get
used to".

>There is growing scientific evidence that homosexuality has a 
>biological basis; i.e. they really are born that way.  There was a 
>cover story about this in Newsweek several months ago.
>If indeed homosexuality is a biological condition, then it is not an 
>"unnatural type of behavior."  To try and "correct it in a civilized
>and logical way" would itself be unnatural.

Right..I saw it right next to the Enquirer's headline about the 
escaped Martian boy terrorizing the nation. Seriously, You can find a 
scientist who can "prove" virtually anything. Be that as it may, even 
if it were possible for homosexuality to be due to a genetic "flaw",
that does not mean such activity is acceptable or should be allowed any
more than a "born" robber should be allowed to rob or a "born" flasher
should be allowed to flash. Sorry, you gotta act right no matter what your
inner "impulses" push you to do. 

>And even though homosexuals have been around for thousands of years,
>mankind appears to be thriving.  This would appear to counter your 
>argument that "homosexuality goes against the very future of mankind."

Appearances can be deceiving...If homosexuality were "Natural" (instead of
being a patently wrong and offensive condition that has fortunately
kept most people disposed to this kind of activity in the "closet" for
most of these "thousands of years" of which you speak) and we were all that
way, mankind would be gone in one generation. Think about it.

Ken

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Carol Farquhar)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:03:14 GMT

Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:



>If I wanted an illeterate person to come her to receive an
                ^^^^^^^^^^
                I bet you just love Dan Quayle. :-)

>education I would have placed my ad to read like that, but my
>name is not Toney and the ad clearly states "Toney Area". So I
>discriminate. big deal. It is my perfect right to do so when
>chosing someone that will come into my home with my children and
>myself while I work on the computer.
>Leah

I can't believe Leah would post a paragraph like this and call someone
else illerate (note spelling, Leah).  I suggest she study the dictionary
more and post less.

Carol 

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From: Michael.Pierson@p3.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Pierson)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Ieee fair            
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:58:36 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/8.3 - The Alabama Inferno, Huntsville AL

In a message of <21-Nov-92 09:59:32> John Emmert (1:373/2) wrote:

 JE> Yes, I've got an information pamphlet at work, next monday I'll look
 JE> it up and post here for you. I requested information on a user group

That would be great. Thanks.

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Newsgroups: ingr.general,hsv.general
From: bob@b30.ingr.com (Bob Baccus)
Subject: SEC Championship Tickets for sale
Keywords: 4 Tickets - SEC
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:39:33 GMT

	Tickets for Sale

	4 SEC Championship Game Tickets

	Contact:

		Tamara Gill
		730-3593
From: Michael.Pierson@p3.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Pierson)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: IEEE Fair
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:08:31 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/8.3 - The Alabama Inferno, Huntsville AL

I am investigating the requirements and arrangements which are
necessary for a company to have a booth at the IEEE fair. Could
any of you folks out there who have some past and/or ongoing
experience with this subject give me some general information on
what is involved, and who to contact (name, phone, etc..) for
specific details on how to establish a presence at the upcoming
show next year? I need this information ASAP.

Thanks in advance to anyone with some light to share on this
topic.



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From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:40:26 GMT

>Just trying to point out that common sense is not a panacea to "get
>our society back on the right track".  Perhaps, on a network in the
>past (using the CTBCPP* network), a similar exchange took place:

>		-----8<-----begin included text-----8<-----
>puttk@big-rock.by-the-lake.com writes:
>   pat@telescopes-r-us.com writes:

>   > From my calculation, the world is round.

>If that statement is representative of YOUR common sense, I hope that
>I am standing on the top of the world, while you, sir, fall off the
>bottom.

Inventing opinions to reply to? My my...a world of fantasy.

Ken
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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
Subject: Homeosexuality
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:52:20 GMT
From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Homosexual Choice or Deformity?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:45:56 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

TO: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
 
Leah Wesolowski writes..

	>...the bitch had it comming...

Please direct anything else I have "comming" to hsv.flame.
 
	>BTW Margaret are you a lesbian?
	
No, Leah, I am not a lesbian.  I am a heterosexual.  And I am
constantly amazed at the way some people cling to myth, 
misinformation, and generalization.  

I do not agree that AIDS is "nature's way" of weeding out
homosexuals.  And I do not believe that people choose their 
sexual orientations any more than they choose they color of
their eyes.  Homosexualality is not a personality disorder, 
a mental illness, or an identity crisis.  Its a sexual orientation, 
period, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination of
any kind.  

I'm glad I'm straight -- there's too much ignorance and hate 
out there for people who aren't.
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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: morgana@infonode.ingr.com (Angela Morgan)
Subject: need tv repair recommendation
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:53:29 GMT


Hi everybody,

I think this has probably been asked here before, but I didn't save any
of the responses so pardon the repetition.

I need to have a TV repaired.  It's a very old Sears TV, small (~13", I
think).  The power switch doesn't work (stuck in the "on" position), and
it takes a very long time for the picture to come in once it's plugged in
(I just get snow for about the first 15 minutes).

As I said, this is a very old TV, and I'm probably better off just throwing
it out and buying another one.  However, I'd like to use it as a 2nd TV
in the bedroom, so I at least want to take it to a shop and get an
estimate on repairing it before decide whether to scrap it or not.

I have never dealt with any TV repair shops in Huntsville, so I'd like
to hear some recommendations from those of you who have.  Thanks in
advance!

--angela

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
	<1992Nov18.212546.22257@infonode.ingr.com>
	<1992Nov18.224444.16436@b30.ingr.com>
	<1992Nov19.132922.11333@b11.b11.ingr.com>
Distribution: hsv
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:46:01 GMT

puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
   pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald) writes:

   >Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat.
   >	- Principia Discordia

   If that statement is representative of YOUR common sense, I hope to
   avoid you on the highway.

Just trying to point out that common sense is not a panacea to "get
our society back on the right track".  Perhaps, on a network in the
past (using the CTBCPP* network), a similar exchange took place:

		-----8<-----begin included text-----8<-----
puttk@big-rock.by-the-lake.com writes:
   pat@telescopes-r-us.com writes:

   > From my calculation, the world is round.

If that statement is representative of YOUR common sense, I hope that
I am standing on the top of the world, while you, sir, fall off the
bottom.
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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Stupid Arrows
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:40:37 GMT

I hate to post something of general interest on this BBS, but does 
anyone else think that those arrows on I-565 are a little stupid?

More specifically, the reflectors that outline the arrows are stupid.  
The reflectors are spaced about 1' apart and look like the following:

                     ____________________
  reflecting        /                    \
  surface  ---->   /                      \
  ________________/________________________\___________road surface___

  Direction of travel ---->

Now, I haven't gone out and measured these things, but they appear to 
be about 1-1.5" high and about 5-6" from front to back.

On the heavily traveled parts (like the Eastbound Exit to Rideout) some 
of the arrows now no longer REFLECT to alert me of the impending exit.  
The eight thousand or so of the arrows that were placed at the above 
mentioned exit only serve to annoy, now that they are DARK.  All of the 
reflectors will probably be dark in a few years (since it has only been 
a couple of years since the reflectors were placed) leaving us with only 
a wonderful little noise upon entering/leaving the highway.
From: Norman.Frederick@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Norman Frederick)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:18:03 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/32

Paul Robichaux posted for all,
 PR> Umm, Carol, I think the spelling is "illiterate." As in not 
 PR> literate, or not able to read, a disability which is distinct 
 PR> from not being able to spell.
Give the man an "A" for spelling, a "D" for definition. You stopped short in
defining "illiterate" as the major portion of the meaning is "has not read".


Fred

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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: General Homosexuality
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:31:46 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

To Carol and Margaret and others...
  I am not trying to fan the flame on this topic. In fact I believe 

that I have stated on more than one occaision that I do indeed have 
friends who are homosexual.
 My problem is not with "homosexual adoption period" My problem is 

that there are way more Loving Hetrosexual couples out there who have 
the ability to raise and love a child (even a sick child or crack 
or AIDS baby). They do not need to add to adoptees misery though by 
having the adoptee spend their lives in the home of a Homosexual Couple. 
The idea of adoption is to cause the child to be placed in a home 
with parents who can meet all his/her needs, in today's society condoning 
homosexual behaviour is not condusive to meeting the adoptive child's 
needs. This is due to the HEALTH threat.
 I received Net mail from someone stating that the highest rate of 

increase of AIDS is among the Female hetrosexual population. I would 
like to tell you all that the actual highest percentage rate of increase 
in AIDS cases is among Rural Teens. RURAL TEENS. Lets not set an example 
to those who are in the situation of needing to be adopted by increasing 
their exposure to the behaviour that has been known to spread this 
disease.
Leah
 
I would like to hear how any birthmothers/adoptees feel about this 
issue.
 
I also wouldn't mind if they opted to allow the birth mother the 
opportunity to agree, or not agree, to a homosexual adoption in the 
case of her child. In most states birth parents can ask that their 
children be placed within families of a certian religion, why not 
allow them to chose sexual preference as well?
 
(Think any one would check that box?)



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From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Re: Homosexuality Chosen or Deformity?
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:55:40 GMT
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Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:
MW=Margaret Wiginton
(I reformatted a bit for readability.)

[...]

      MW> and just to walk down the street without fear.

    LEAH> Sheesh! Like any of us can do that in this day and age, why 
          do suppose I carry a gun?

Like you have to worry about some GOB kicking the shit out of you because you
are holding hands w/ your husband?

    LEAH >political rights? I mean, have you ever been turned down for a job
          because you were too "Liberal"? (Believe it or not, I HAVE! HA!
          Last month!

     MW> "You weren't turned down for a job.  You were defeated.
          I'm glad you lost.

   LEAH> Ooooh What a bitch you are! FYI I was NOT talking about my political 
         race. I was talking about a talk radio show position. I was refused 
         the audition because I was told I was "Too Liberal" HA!

I have to admit that it sounds rather incredible to hear you were considered
too liberal, but in the case of talk show radio-- I presume we're talking
airshow personality and not the silent engineer--  personality is everything.

(having just recently run across hsv.general, I'm in the dark about your
political run-- care to clue me? For what were you running? How did you and 
all the others you ran against fare on election day?)

max.monningh
maxwell@fnal.fnal.gov
mmonningh@igc.org
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney)
Subject: Re: Murder Rates (Was Homosexual Rights QUESTION)
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.213646.26453@b11.b11.ingr.com>, puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
|> dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain  writes:
|> >We're going to see definite problems in overpopulation in the
|> >next 100 years ... allowing this as an "acceptable" lifestyle
|> >might not be such an impractical thing.
|> 
|> Just like the rise in the murder rate...the result of another emotional
|> disorder? I think not.


Has the murder rate really gone up over the last 10, 50, and 100 years?
Do you have any data to support this?  I can't say whether it has or not,
but when people make such "Things are so much worse now than they used to
be" statements without any proof, I find it hard to take it seriously.


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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Carol Farquhar)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:23:46 GMT

cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Carol Farquhar) writes:

>Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:

>>If I wanted an illeterate person to come her to receive an
>                ^^^^^^^^^^
>                I bet you just love Dan Quayle. :-)


>I can't believe Leah would post a paragraph like this and call someone
>else illerate (note spelling, Leah).  I suggest she study the dictionary
      ^^^^^^^^
  Oops! I meant illiterate!
>more and post less.

>Carol 

Boy, is my face red!! Nothing like flaming someone's spelling and misspelling
the word yourself!! :-)
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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:15:46 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 > As the Church lady would say "How Convenient" You left out
 > the
 > part of my message dealing with HIV. There is a rising
 > consencus
 > among AIDS researchers that HIV may not be the cause of
 > AIDS.
 > Therefore I stick to my original post.
 > Leah
 
This message is rather hypocritical. Since you seldom qoute the message 
you reply to and I ALWAYS quote the portion of the message that I 
disagree with, if I do not qoute the whole message (which I do 
most of the time). 
Also in this case your comment about HIV not causing AIDS, was not 
addressed to me, but someone else.
So since you did not qoute any of my message and we have several 
on going messages you force me to guess which message you are referring 
to. How about alittle qouting of the part you disagree with, instead 
of false accusations.



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 17:39:19 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

Michael.Konor@p0.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Konor) writes:

> How do you feel on gays in the military?

Who cares? 

I don't regard it as that serious a problem. In the past, the militarys'
excuse for the purges has been that they were a "security risk", fearing
that someone would blackmail them with threat of exposure. All that policy
did was give blackmail a higher chance of success.

I don't see any problem with HIV-positive soldiers either; I think 
they'd be *great* embassy guards; no need to worry about them being
seduced by the locals, causing security or conflict-of-interest
problems....

Gary Heston, at home....        ....stirring things up as usual....
gary@cdthq.uucp
From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:03:28 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

James Reed said:
>If the healthy populace had some reason to believe that they would
>not get infected by accident, then I agree that there's no basis
>for
>such discrimination.  However, if I perceive that there's a risk
>(of any size) in eating a meal by someone at risk for HIV, I reserve
>the right to not eat that meal.
 

First my understanding is it is almost impossible to catch AIDS from 
an HIV positive food preparer. But regardless, to say someone can 
not work in a certain area because they are in a high risk group, when 
they probably do not have AIDS, strikes me illegal and immoral. 
Now if companies wanted to test all employees for AIDS, I wouldn't 
object.

>Unfortunately, the homosexual rights groups do not appear to be
>interested in treating AIDS as a public health issue, but rather
>as a human rights one.
 
I can see thier point, since so many people want to restrict their 
employment based on what could be rather than fact. 



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From: cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Carol Farquhar)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:17:15 GMT

Paul,

See my follow-up post.

:-)

Carol "bad spelling karma" Farquhar

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Betty Wilson
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:41:27 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 > So niaeve.
 > Leah
 >
 >
 
I disagree with your statements that the reason Betty Wilson's lawyers 
are delaying is so that will not have to have Mo Brooks as the 
prosecuter, and you call me Naieve? Ha Ha Ha  Ha Ha Ha 
I'm sure Wilson's lawyer are not in fear of ole Mo. 



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