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From: cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Creativity, Creative writing classes
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.075046.14354@u.washington.edu> tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes:
>In article <LkDqiB1w164w@nlbbs.UUCP> willdorr@nlbbs.UUCP (William Cutlip) writes:
>
>[This has turned into an exchange of flames, folks, so be forewarned.]

Gah.  Yet another Tom Maddox flamewar.  Somehow literary talent and raw
invective don't mix.

>	Think what you want.  You were the victim of bad teaching; while the
>courses were creative writing, they could have been any number of others.
>Also, that fact aside, you offered anecdotal evidence as though it proved
>something about the nature of college writing teachers.  In fact, it proved
>only that there are *some* bad college writing teachers, hardly an 
>earthshaking discovery.
>
>>I have been careless if I've given the impression that all writing courses 
>>are bad and that all writing teachers are aloof and evil. You are right to 
>>chastise me. There are many thousands of good creative writing teachers out 
>>there. I have no doubt that the people you mentioned -- even "old Orson" -- 
>>are very good teachers. Mea maxima culpa. 

Okay.  Neither of you are foolish enough to claim that all, or no, academic
writing teachers are doddering idiots.  Bill thinks most are.  Tom thinks
some are.  Hardly a recipe for a resolvable argument.

Tom, a question: do you think an unsuccessful writer can be a successful
writing teacher?  Why?

Bill, another: do you think an unsuccessful writer _can't_ be a successful
writing teacher?  Why not?

c
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From: pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Asimov's SF Magazine
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:29:03 GMT
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <1992Apr8.183309.2752@unx.sas.com> sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn) writes:

> What will happen to Asimov's Science Fiction magazine now that he's gone?
> 
> I will miss his columns there and in F&SF too... I always enjoyed them.
> The last one I read was really strange because he admitted how much trouble 
> he was having writing and getting through it all. 

I imagine the magazine will continue, sans his excellent editorials,
of course.

Davis Pubications also published "Alfred Hitchcocks's Mystery
Magazine", and ol' AH has been dead for sometime as well.

Steve
.sig omitted in memory of Dr. Asimov...
From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: The time has come, heter.
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:20:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlabs.1992Apr14.212045.16838
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <92103.095409KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
: 
:     matter in time and space is relative to the constant flux of the
: universe.  Taken in small doses, is the universe timed to the flux of
: objects in space.  Can an object in space be a product of time along a
: line or a solidatary mass with no dimensional relative?
: 
:     Writing of the object in space that is abstract and without bond to
: a particular law of physics, is comparative to a random thought that has
: not been narrowed to a finite absolute.

Boy, you just said a mouthful.  Random thoughts indeed.
  
:     The object in question is a Smirmoff's Quark.  A collapsed pulsar
: star that has expanded its density to nearby orbiting bodies, which are
: affected by the overlapping magnetic field of force and project the field
: onto passing objects.  Which, in turn, are altered and subsequently pass
: the projected field onto other mass bodies.  The effect, is a field of
: force entending beyond the original mass of the pulsar that produces a
: web like magnetic - pulsed field.  Not unlike a giant radar telescope,
: yet the differences are that time along the lines are distorted and
: projected at random intervals towards other parts of the immediate
: galaxy.
: 
:     The projected time distortions interfer with mass development in
: the surrounding galaxy, and alien life may have been present before the
: pulsar collapse, but proof is unrealiable because of the constant mix
: in the signals that are received.

Constant flux of the universe?  Solidatary mass with no dimensional
relative?  Expanded its density to nearby orbiting bodies?

Mass development???

Somebody's been lacing your comic books with LSD.  Either that or you're
an AI project and someone is tweaking the parameters on you...

By the way, I can't help you with Smirmoff's Quark.  Do you have any
references?  Why does he/she/it call it a Quark?  Why does he/she/it
misspell his/her/its name?  Is this perchance a response to something
that was posted on April 1?

In all seriousness, someone has been doing a major piece of handwaving
in your direction.  If a physics explanation has one phrase that sounds
weird, I perk up, because there may be something to learn.  When it has
two odd phrases, I begin to wonder about who's trying to do what to whom.
When every other phrase comes out sounding like a string of power words
rather than a string of meaningful words, it's a virtual certainty that
some intellectual crime other than physics is being committed.

Find something else to read.

Larry Wall
lwall@netlabs.com
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: More style stuff
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:26:34 GMT

In article <3APR199219465906@coral.bucknell.edu> norbeck@coral.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nancy) writes:
>
>
>Since everyone's been discussing style lately I thought perhaps
>now would be a good time to ask this question.  When is it and 
>when is it not allowable for a character in the first person to
>address his/her audience?  
>

[stuff deleted containing examples]

>
>It's something I think could prove very interesting, as well as a
>lot of fun, to actually try in one of my own writings, but I have
>this feeling deep in my gut that's saying "This is one of those
>things only the big-shots can do, you'd better stick to the safe
>stuff."  That's never stopped me before.  But I wanted to get
>some opinions and other thoughts/comments before I try it.  Does
>the stuff above work just because it's an essential part of the
>character?  Or is it something else entirely?
>
>Comments....
>
>
>Nancy Norbeck
>norbeck@coral.bucknell.edu


	I find it distracting to have the author or the characters speak
directly to me as the reader.  The only exception I can think of is a story
that is entirely written as a first person report to the reader -- Let me tell
you about my one-eyed frog Deadeye, and how he saved mankind from the 
heartbreak of psoriasis.
	The ending of _The French Lieutenant's Woman_ by Fowles has the author
telling the reader about alternate possible endings to the story.  I found
that distracting, and, I confess, I don't know why he did it.  It was, however,
a successful book by a successful writer.
	Even though I don't care for it, I think you should try it.  Even if
you're not pleased with the result you might learn from it.


Just saying my own thoughts.

Regards,
tony
From: balesej@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Eric J Bales)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Which way is out??
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:44:15 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Apr8.171116.9834@mips.mitek.com> clb@hp835.mitek.com (Chris Boyd) writes:
>>In a previous article, KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET () wrote about a
>>Time paradox story:
>>>    If a person returns to the past and attempts to alter it or does;
>>>
>>>    a.)  would the change occur before he returns to the future
>>>    B.)  or would the change occur after the return trip?
>
>One of the best time travel/infinite number of universes novels
>ever is _The Man Who Folded Himself_, by I can't remember and the
>book was borrowed from a friend.

And don't forget _The Proteus Operation_ by James P. Hogan.

-- 
at098@cleveland.freenet.edu                        -Eric Kirkbride-
balesej@ucunix.san.uc.edu
		        -The second dolphin-
Dolphins. Soon you will be one of us, and then you will understand.
From: burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Good Writing -- Style and Contents
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:29:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Apr6.052959.28399
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

In article <1992Apr1.223744.25610@netlabs.com> lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall) writes:

>Every part needs to do at least one of the following:
>
>	1) Characterize the players or their surroundings.
>
>	2) Advance the plot.
>
>	3) Be entertaining in its own right.
>
>Really Good Stuff does all three at once.

For example:


     "Unk had gone 'over the hill' on flat,flat,flat,flat, Mars."
     ( K.V. The Sirens Of Titan.)      
-burt
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From: clb@hp835.mitek.com (Chris Boyd)
Subject: Re: Which way is out??
Organization: OpenConnect Systems
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:11:16 GMT

Bonita Kale writes:
>In a previous article, KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET () wrote about a
>Time paradox story:
>>    If a person returns to the past and attempts to alter it or does;
>>
>>    a.)  would the change occur before he returns to the future
>>    B.)  or would the change occur after the return trip?
>
>No, you don't understand.  If you're writing a time travel story, -you- get
>to (have to!) decide all that.
>
>But don't write one without reading a whole bunch of them, to get some idea
>of your options and what's already been done to death. 

One of the best time travel/infinite number of universes novels
ever is _The Man Who Folded Himself_, by I can't remember and the
book was borrowed from a friend.

Also watch Dr. Who.  They've done all the popular time travel
themes there.
-- 
(* Chris Boyd          OpenConnect Systems, Inc.          clb@oc.com *)
(*  2033 Chennault, Carrollton TX 75006, USA.  Real close to Dallas  *)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Today's Quote...
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:35:14 GMT


"...the death sentence is abominable, as abominable as the crime
itself. Our state must be based on love, not hatred and victimization.
Our penal code must be based on rehabilitation rather than
annihilation." --Chenjerai Hove, poet, Zimbabwe

[From "When the State Kills...The death penalty: a human rights issue"
by Amnesty International]


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From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: RESOURCE: Key Washington Fax Numbers (autopost)
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: PACH
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:30:06 GMT

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/** mideast.actions: 69.0 **/
** Topic: FAX NUMBERS FOR CONGRESS, ADMIN **
** Written  6:55 pm  Jan  7, 1991 by sfreedkin in cdp:mideast.actions **
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In addition to writing, calling, and telegramming federal
officials to express our views, we can send them faxes.

The following are key facsimile (fax) numbers listed in the
National Fax Directory 1990.  We plan to post fax numbers
from all of Congress in this conference within a few days.

President George Bush, The White House
Comment line   (202) 456-1111            fax (202) 456-2883

Secretary of State James A. Baker
                                         fax (202) 647-4000

Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney
                                         fax (202) 647-9080

National Security Council: Brent Scowcroft, Nat Sec Advisor
                                         fax (202) 395-5221

Gen. Colin L. Powell, Chair, Joint Chiefs of Staff
                                         fax (202) 697-9758

Rep. Thomas Foley, Speaker of the House  fax unlisted

Rep. Richard Gephardt, House Majority Leader
phone (202) 225-0100, 225-2671           fax (202) 225-7452

Sen. George Mitchell, Senate Majority Leader
phone (202) 224-5344                     fax (202) 224-6853

Sen. Robert Dole, Senate Minority Leader
phone (202) 224-6521                     fax unlisted

Sen. Robert Byrd, President Pro Tempore of the Senate
                                         fax (202) 224-8070

Sen. Sam Nunn, Chair, Senate Armed Services Committee
                                         fax (202) 224-0072

If you have any corrections to this list, please post in a
response (at the next Conf? prompt type ",wrc").  If there
are any responses to this posting please read them before
sending faxes to ensure that there have been no corrections
to this list.

-- Steve Freedkin  (sfreedkin)     tel. (805) 965-8583
   Executive Director
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From: nyxfer%panix.com@UMCVMB.missouri.edu (N.Y. Transfer)
Subject: NEWS:Apr 10 Rally Against Libya Sanctions
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Missouri
Resent-From: "Rich Winkel" <MATHRICH@UMCVMB.missouri.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:57:46 GMT



Via The NY Transfer News Service ~ All the News that Doesn't Fit


                  "NO SANCTIONS AGAINST LIBYA!"

(Copyright Workers World Service: Permission to reprint granted if
source is cited.)

A group of mostly Black and Native activists held a news
conference and rally in Washington, D.C., April 10 to charge the
Bush administration with terrorism against Libya. Later they
demonstrated in front of the White House to say no to sanctions
and U.S. intervention. Some Native people came from as far away as
Minnesota and Canada.

WaBun-Inini (Vernon Bellecourt) of the International Indian Treaty
Council described the U.S. bombing of Libya in 1986 that killed
about 100 civilians, including Muammar Qadaffi's 2-year-old
daughter. Imani of the All-African People's Revolutionary Party
read a long list of Pentagon aggressions against Libya.

Civil rights lawyer William Kunstler said Washington's demand that
Libya hand over two of its citizens for trial here violates
international law, including the Montreal Sabotage Convention. The
U.S. and Britain are trying to connect the two with the explosion
of a Pan Am jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988.  Kunstler said
a legal team was in place to defend the Libyans if they come to
trial here.

Joyce Chediac of the All-Peoples Congress said the Bush
administration uses the term "terrorism" when it really means
support for national liberation struggles. Viola Plummer, speaking
for the African American Anti-Zionist Organization, called on all,
including those within the U.S. military, to resist another attack
on Libya. Vietnam war-era activist Dave Dellinger brought up U.S.
government terrorism against Native people here, as in the case of
Leonard Peltier, whose story has been fictionalized in the current
film "Thunderheart."

                               ***

This article originally appeared in Workers World newspaper. A
10-week trial subscription is available for $2. A year's
subscription costs $15. Makes checks payable to Workers World, and
send to 46 W. 21 St., New York, NY 10010.Phone (212) 255-0352. You
may contact Workers World editors on NY Transfer or PeaceNet at
"workers."

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Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rrk@hoqaa.att.com (Richard R Koch)
Subject: May 12 Timor forum in NYC
Followup-To: poster
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: East Timor, forum
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:15:43 GMT

MAY 12 FORUM ON EAST TIMOR IN NEW YORK CITY

For more information, contact:           For Immediate Release
John Mateyko  (212)861-5119 or           April 16, 1992
Jay Holmes (212)289-9635 or
rrk@hoqaa.att.com

Public Forum to Mark Six Months after East Timor Massacre

A public meeting entitled Witness to Struggle: Massacre in East Timor will
be organized by the New York branch of the East Timor Action Network
(ETAN/US) on Tuesday, May 12, 1992, at 7:00 pm. The program will take
place in the chapel of St. Bartholomew's Church, Park Avenue at 50th
Street, Manhattan. The public is invited to attend, and a $5.00 donation
is suggested.

The panel will include:

*       Jos Ramos Horta, spokesman for the National Council of Maubere
Resistance, the principal coalition of Timorese nationalist groups.

*       Right Rev. Paul Moore, Jr., retired Episcopal Bishop of New York, who
visited East Timor in 1990 and has spoken widely on the human rights
situation there.

*       Amy Goodman, News Director of WBAI/Pacifica Radio, has been in East
Timor twice and was severely beaten during the November 12, 1991 massacre.

*       Allan Nairn, correspondent for the New Yorker magazine, had his skull
fractured by the Indonesian army on November 12, 1991 in East Timor on his
second visit.

*       Lorne Rider, Brown University student who went on the February 1992
Peace Boat to East Timor.

*       Anthony Pereira, Assistant Professor of Political Science at the New
School for Social Research, will moderate the program.

In addition to the above, representatives of the Indonesian and Portuguese
governments have been invited, as well as several Congresspeople and
United Nations Ambassadors.

The event marks the half-year anniversary of the massacre at Santa Cruz
cemetery in Dili, East Timor, where the Indonesian army methodically fired
its U.S.-supplied M-16's into a peaceful, unarmed, memorial procession.
They killed over 150 people, adding to the over 200,000 East Timorese who
have been killed by the Indonesian military since they invaded the tiny
half-island in 1975. The U.S. continues to provide weapons, military
training, economic aid, and diplomatic support for the Indonesian military
regime.

The East Timor Action Network was formed last December following the Santa
Cruz massacre. It has chapters in a number of U.S. cities, and has
organized several public meetings and demonstrations, as well as
educational and lobbying information. The May 12 event is ETAN's first
public program in New York City.
From: nyxfer%panix.com@UMCVMB.missouri.edu (N.Y. Transfer)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Subject: ANALYSIS:Since the Yen Rose & the Dollar Fell
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:31:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: mont.1992Apr17.193153.27225
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: University of Missouri
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Resent-From: "Rich Winkel" <MATHRICH@UMCVMB.missouri.edu>


 Via The NY Transfer News Service ~ All the News that Doesn't Fit

              Since the Yen Rose and the Dollar Fell

                        by Vince Copeland

(Copyright Workers World Service: Permission to reprint granted if
source is cited.)

In 1985 the U.S. capitalist government of Reagan and Bush devalued
the dollar about 50 percent in terms of the yen. This was supposed
to make U.S. products cheaper to sell in Japan and Japanese
products more expensive to buy here. It was supposed to solve the
whole export/import problem. But it didn't.

The effect on imports and exports was only moderate, considering
the gargantuan effort. The truth was that Japanese productivity
had caught up with and in some areas surpassed that of the United
States. This was fundamental. The money maneuvering was basically
a reflection of the change in productivity.

While bosses here blame U.S. workers for lagging productivity,
Japan's advantage was mostly due to greater infusions of capital
(including U.S. capital!) spent to modernize Japanese industry.

The devaluation had somewhat unexpected results, too. It gave the
yen more power over the dollar. Someone with enough yen in their
pocket to buy a dollar the day before the devaluation could buy
two dollars the very next day.

And thus, the big Tokyo banks had two billion dollars where only
one grew before.

Six of the biggest ten banks in the world are Japanese. Only one
is North American. The Japanese financiers can now more easily buy
up U.S. property because they can buy U.S. dollars more cheaply.

This also means that Japanese industry can more easily go into
East Asia and Latin America with factories and other businesses,
using the dollar as the economic catalyst to weld Third World
interests to those of Japan.

The Japanese imperialists are already doing this on such a big
scale that they are in a recession of their own because of
``over-expansion.'' And Japanese workers are getting laid off the
same as U.S.  workers because of the phenomenon of "runaway
shops."

                               ***

This article originally appeared in Workers World newspaper. A
10-week trial subscription is available for $2. A year's
subscription costs $15. Makes checks payable to Workers World, and
send to 46 W. 21 St., New York, NY 10010.Phone (212) 255-0352. You
may contact Workers World editors on NY Transfer or PeaceNet at
"workers."

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