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From: ausdal@ece.scarolina.edu (Thi Van Ausdal)
Subject: Re: Fans,Romans, and mediocre persona
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:25:12 GMT

taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop) writes:

>In <92310.044153IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>>   Another blow has been rendered against the open minded person. Just because
>>we happen to like a Madonna we are being belittled and stupidified. You can
>>insult our point of view, but don't insult our inteligence.You have the right
>>to dissagree and disagree to our face, but all I ask is that you do it politly
>>and inteligently.
>>     Does anyone agree or should I blow it out my ear.  It could just be me,
>>but I think insulting peoples intellegence when you don't agree with them is
>>- as Captain Hook would say- not good form.
>>PCN

>I agree with you 150%

	
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Me, too.  It is such intolerance that got us many wonderful things like 
Parental Advisory!!!! by the future Second Lady of the Newnited States.
I, for one, don't think much of many things that I let happen because it
IS NOT MY PLACE TO BELITTLE OTHERS because of who they like. Hey, Madonna
is a helluva marketer, dancer, etc. and she has worked hard every night on
stage for the millions she has made... indeed, her attempts to loosen up
stodgy mores are SHOCKING. SO? Deal with it, fix your ugly face rather than
turning the lights out, babe.  The point is, she's fingering (no pun intended)
something that some people don't like.  Maybe it needed to be done.  
Nevertheless, I've said it before and I'll say it again... if ya don't like
what ya see, face a different direction.
					Thi VanAusdal
From: brance@outrider.Kodak.Com (Michael Branciforte)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Bandwidth
Keywords: Waste, pollution, this newsgroup
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:40:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

Flame if you must.  It would be a better use of bandwidth.
-- 
Mike Branciforte
email brance@music.Kodak.com

My opinions, as expressed here, should in no way be misconstrued as those 
of my employer ... nor would I wish them to be.  In fact I get paid quite
well to express my own opinion(s).  
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 1992 14:26:33 -0500 
From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: NAME

   what is Madonna's FULL real name?

EDDIE, a bitch...
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Thank you Madonna
From: ddvorak@zeus.calpoly.edu (David M. Dvorak)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:18:14 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I would like to thank Madonna for publishing her new book "Sex".  Sex
and especially homosexual sex is a ssubject that most people consider
shameful and won't accept it.  What Madonna has done is bring it out in
to mainstream America which has openned more discussion on the topic.  

It feels good to know that someone as huge and well known as Madonna is
secure enough to show us her lesbian side. And that helps others feel
more comfortable with their gay feelings and gives them self-respect.

Maybe now conservative America will be more sympatheic and tolerant to
gays.  

-- 
David M. Dvorak
ddvorak@nike.calpoly.edu
From: 901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: Question on SEX
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:55:33 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) writes:

>Hi my (future) girlfriend is a big fan of Vanilla Ice (sp). I hear he
>appears in this book. What is the picture like? What is he doing? How
>"much" of him do you see? I'd appreciate your responses to these
>questions in helping me decide whether to get this book.
>Thanks a lot,
>Joe Marcheso



I HAVE a copy of the book and I can tell you there is a lot of
Vanilla Ice.  No nudity, but he is always shirtless, and usually
in shorts.  The Vanilla Ice/Madonna section is about 6-8 pages
long.  Features include lotsa carousing around, smooching by the
highway, etc.  Take note Madonna is always virtually nude in all
this.  

The book also features sections with Big Daddy Kane, and supermodel
Naomi Campbell.  


 - Kevin


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From: 189500959@ucis.vill.edu (!GIZYNSKI)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: Why would anyone be a fan of MADONNA???
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:44:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <s1070619.720596061@giaeb>, s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes...
>koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Oct29.090402.14943@eua.ericsson.se> rv@erix.ericsson.se (Robert Virding) writes:
>>>The subject says it all. The person's got nothing going for her!
> 
>>>Robert
> 
>>nothing going for her except a wonderful voice...
>    Are you tone deaf? Are you completely deaf? She has one of the worst
>    voices that I have ever heard. Second only to Oscar the grouch... but only
>    just.
> 
>>incredible talent...
>    Who do you think you are a talent scout? If you had any true talent
>    judging skills, you would realise that alvin and the chipmunks are more
>    talanted than her. (They also have a better voice...
>>and a figure that should be hailed as the standard of feminine
>>perfection...
>    Not. Take a look at Elle McPherson or Claudia Schiffer. THEY make Madonna
>    look dog ugly. Infact, I have a better body than madonna, and I dont go
>    flaunting it all over all sorts of things, such as my hand.
>>gorgeous legs...
>    Reasonable legs, which might be better, if she had her pussy grabbing hand
>    removed from her crutch long enough for us to get a look...
> 
> 
>    All in all... She is ugly, has no talent, and it is humanly impossible to
>    undestand why people like her...
>        Just a question, why the hell do you like her?
>            And, what's the point?
> 
>    I would tell you all to kiss my ass, but being madonna sico loving freaks,
>    you probably would...
>        And love it.
> 
>     ***************************************************************************
>    * Nathan Kroenert(YOGI).            
***************************************************************************
right on ! I saw her in person she looks like my mother in law she has
a beard!

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From: ssalimb01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:12:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.135805.27169@rdg.dec.com>, jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria) writes:
> 
>>One point I'd like to clear out (though it may be my position to do so), 
>>your best friends are more caring, etc  because they ARE individuals who are
>>more caring, etc.  Not because they are lesbians.  They are nice people who
>>happen to be ... lesbians.
> 
> Tho' I have no proof, I think you are incorrect.  It is a tough thing for people
> who KNOW they will be perceived as "different", even scoffed by society, to
> accept their own differences as being "O.K."  People who can be that comfortable
> with themselves tend to be equally as comfortable with other people, even 
> people who are intolerant of them.  This leads to a more "open" attitude, and
> the ability to care about their fellow humans, and to SHOW it.
> 
> Mike
I know what you are saying, but... Are all gay/lesbians who are comfortable with
themselves, and comfortable with others are more caring?  If a gay man, who is
aggressive by nature,(it's in his genes) are accepted by society etc, will he 
become more caring?   I believe if a person is caring by nature, he/she will
be caring no matter whether he/she is a homosexual or a heterosexual.  

Thanx
From: rickt@tcom.stc.co.uk (Rick Tait)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: NAME
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:01:14 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Transmission System Engineering
Distribution: world
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I thought it was Madonna Louise Ciccone.

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From: piozet@net.bio.net (Jacqueline Piozet)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Her real name
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:46:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GenBank Online Service

Her real name is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone.  She was named after
her mother, Madonna Fortin (sp?).  Veronica is her Catholic Confirmation
name.

By the way, what do you all think of this new shaved eyebrows look?  I
think that it's not very attractive on her, even though it is the rage
in the high fashion world.

-- Jackie
From: endora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kenneth McCamish)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: HEY!
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:35:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center



Do other alt.fan.  newsgroups have this problem?  Are there people constantly
posting to them saying that they hate the person whose fans created the 
newsgroup?  I just wondered.  This is the only alt.fan I read besides Ren &
Stimpy, which is a far cry from this newsgroup.


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     ***           Purdue University frightens me.  Please don't even
    *****          think about it.

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From: theodore-michael@yale.edu (Michael Theodore)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: What's the relevance of ....?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 10:48:24 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov5.060809.13470@ucc.su.OZ.AU> joe@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Joe Nappa) writes:
>In article <1d4oj1INNs90@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, theodore-michael@yale.edu (Michael Theodore) writes: 
>  
>|> This guy is even more of a moron than I first realized, as evidenced
>|> by his terror of people who are "different".
>|> 
> 
>
>|>  You are a pathetic person, and even though it's not a great movie, do the
>|> human race (and especially women) a favor, and go see "The Accused".
>|> It tries to remind idiots like you that women should have the freedom
>|> to dress and act however they choose without desperate men claiming that 
>|> that gives them liscence to rape 
>
>OK, so you're sitting there, at that centre of great intellectual achievement
>that is Yale University and you're pointing out the social relevance of a piece
>of throw-away mass entertainment. Hollywood coke-heads, a force for social
>progress? I think not.

You sound like Dan Qualye - I hope you don't also argue with T.V characters.

>Oh, and by the way, I object to you, or anyone else, using the net to heap
>personal abuse on others (especially a fellow Aussie!!). If you can't argue
>rationally and objectively you're definitely at the wrong institution.

Oh yeah - well you must be a moron also!







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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: ssalimb01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:44:17 GMT

In article <Wlo9qAhABh107h@momad.UUCP>, taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop) writes:
> In <1992Nov2.224317.4176@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> arneberg@lioth.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bjorn Arne Berge) writes:
>>In article <s1055814.720713608@giaeb>, s1055814@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Miller) writes:
>>|> 
>>|>         I hate Madonna, she is uglier than a rotting corpse, and has less sex
>>|>         appeal than ross perot.
> 
>>......so why bother posting to this group....? (Some people tend to do
>>_anything_ to spread their sh*t around...)
> 
>>Grow up, and take Madonna for what she is: An artist that makes good music (my opinion)
>>but uses sex as an image to sell whatever she produces. Like it or not - Thank God most
>>of us live in a world where we can decide ourselves what to buy or not. If you don't 
>>like Madonna - OK - just don't buy nothing by her. Simple as that....:)
> 
> 
> Yes, she uses sex as an image, but she also is doing something that hasn't been done since 
> the days of Marilyn Monroe... She is using Sex as an Artform.  How many women can produce a
> book of sexual photos and have it sell over 1,000,000 copies worldwide in ONE WEEK?

Heh... Instead of praising her for haivng a great body(?)  or ability to
use it for an Artform, what about hassling all those people who exploit her 
body?  Aren't there any feminist who would like to defend her rights?

> 
> Of course, it will be interesting to see what she does when her sex appeaal fades awaay to
> old age.... Then she'll have to rely strictly on her voice.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Xref: sparky alt.fan.madonna:334 rec.music.marketplace:2130
From: geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: Re: Nekkid Madonna Book For Sale (gasp!)
Keywords: RIPOFF
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:51:49 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <TML.92Oct30081235@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.023956.24976@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino) writes:
>
>>   I'm selling a copy of "Madonna Nudes 1979" by Martin Hugo Maxmilian
>>   Schreiber.  It was printed in Germany, and the text is in English,
>>   German, and French.
>>
>>   $50. Reply to constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
>
>$50? ARGH! RIPOFF ALERT! The book is for sale here in Helsinki for
>$10 at most, if I remember correctly.

Hey, in Edinburgh you get it for 4 Pounds. Beat that!

Geir


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<92311.110300IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
	<1992Nov6.180354.2813@emr1.emr.ca>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:47:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.180354.2813@emr1.emr.ca> thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:
>
>	 It seems to me that Madonna's loudest critics have been
>  sucked into her brilliant marketing campaign to an even 
>  greater extent than her fans.  She was quoted in (one of the
>  three issues she was featured) of Vanity Fair as saying that
>  (paraphrasing here) she loves people who hate her, and she
>  most greatly fears public indifference. As for all this
>  duff about her negative influence on children, I'm pretty
>  darn sure that kids who have parents who denounce Madonna as
>  akin to Satan (not satin) are probably dying to get ahold of
>  this book.  And they'll probably go on to buy her albums and
>  rent her movies to piss their parents off.  And netters 10 years
>  from now will be having this same debate.
>
>	My advice Madonna haters?  Ignore her and she'll go away.

It has often been said that the opposite of love is not hate but
indifference.  Considering the enormous amount of the first two that she
has elicited over the years (just look at this newsgroup), I don't think
she's in any danger of disappearing at all.  :-)


Thomas Wu
Internet:  tjwu@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:09:54 GMT


>> 
>> Remember that your television, along with every (almost every) television
>> in the world, and (almost) every radio, has a dial that can be switched,
>> or some other tuning device that can be used to select a program that

>Yeah,right.  But just because she is on T.V. and some people have to switch
>the channel(off or to other station), no wonder some people hate her guts so 
>much.  Poor girl...  (Okay, she is a woman)  

I'm not really sure I understand this "paragraph."  Are you being sarcastic
to the person who suggested people turn the channel if Madonna is on (and they
don't appreciate her)?  Or what are you trying to say?

>I really can't wait until all the gay/lesbians stand up for their rights after
>being "inspired" by Madonna, and have a big clash with the anti gay/lesbian
>group.  I know I will watch T.V. and listen to the death toll.

I don't think it is (generally) in the nature of Gay/Lesbian people to have
anything but peaceful demonstrations...  I imagine a clash between the two
groups would end up with the homophobes taking any and all violent action,
while the gay/lesbians try to reason with them or avoid them, like any sane human being would.

>Call me crazy, but if Madonna did cause a big fraction between these two 
>opposite groups, she would probably give no #$@&.   Heck, she is the one 
>with all the money, wealth and fame.  Us, we get what we want to see, pay 
>for it and got stuck with it.  

I sincerely doubt that.  And what does having "money, wealth and fame" have to
do with how she would "feel" if some sort of aggressive interaction occurred
between the two "factions?"

Since Madonna implies that she approves of, or at least does not condemn
homosexuality, it only (logically) follows that she would not be pleased
if what you mentioned above should occur.

>And finally, I have to tell you again.  I can't wait for the blood bath to
>begin.  After all, we get what we see,  right?  
>
>P.S.	All hate mails will be replied.

Hopefully you won't get "hate mails."  Instead I hope the replies you receive
will all be well thought-out responses.

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:17:56 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Nov9230327@bast.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <s1070619.721302800@giaeb> s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au
> (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:
>
>   >"Creeps" is usually a word reserved for different, unusual, or offensively
>   >different people... I would have thought it more apt to call your beloved
>   >madonna a creep... not us.
>
>  Yes? To my mind, it smacks of considerable weirdness to state "I
>hate Madonna!" and go on to spew anger and hatred on a woman who
>happens to be a successful pop singer.  Many of these Madonna bashers
>seem to be genuinely disturbed people, with a pathological hatred of
>women in general, or perhaps of women who put themselves forward or are
>sexually explicit in their actions or statements.
>

  Oh c'mon, talk about generalizations!  Anyone who has been following
this list should by now recognize there are several heated debates
going on...it's quite a stretch to denounce McDonna's critics as
"pathological women haters" on the basis of their dislike of Madonna and
her provocative ways.  And she's no mere "successful pop singer" -- as
much as I hate the idea, she's a cultural phenomenon.

  Furthermore, I shudder at the idea of Madonna being considered as
being some sort of champion of women who "put themselves forward". This
is the same chick who labelled herself "boy toy" not so long ago. 







Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: zalewk@rpi.edu (Kenny Zalewski)
Subject: Erotica CD5 maxi-single
Organization: Computer Science Department/Intramural Department at RPI
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:55:35 GMT

As has been announced on the Madonna mailing list, the Erotica
maxi-single has been released.  It contains seven versions of the
song "Erotica", as listed below:
	1. Album Edit, 4:33
	2. Kenlou B-boy Mix, 6:25
	3. W0 12", 6:09
	4. Underground Club Mix, 4:54
	5. Masters At Work Dub, 4:54
	6. Jeep Beats, 5:51
	7. Madonna's In My Jeep Mix, 5:50

This is a must for all you CD5 D.J.'s out there.         -- kennyz

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