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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:00:33
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il's message of Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:49:39 GMT

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:49:39 GMT, ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) said:

> 1) What is the connection between "use of electricity" and the sounding of
> the Shofar on Shabbat? I would hate to think that the use of the shofar is
> somehow related to the use of electricity, i.e. an electric shofar?

There is no connection. I was using electricity as an example that Reform does
not hold to same Shabbat restrictions as does Orthodoxy.

> 2) What is and is not 'allowed by Reform' on Shabbat? Does Reform put any
> kind of limit on Shabbat observance at all?

I am not aware of any limitations, only recommendations. See the "Shabbat
Manual" from UAHC.

Daniel
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From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Cross-dressing
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.164717.10414@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <FAIGIN.92Oct2074011@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>culture and location-specific.  While a kilt may be acceptable men's
>attire in Scottland (or at rennaisance faires), it certainly is not so
>on the streets of New York.
>
>Same for blue jeans.  Only very recently has any form of slacks or
>pants been acceptible women's attire.  To this date, many religious
>(or simply traditional) families (non-Jewish ones, too) don't consider
>pants a man's garment.
>
so if men can't wear skirts (kilts) and religious (or simply traditional)
families don;t consider pants a man`s garment, what's a man to do?  

Or did I read this wrong?

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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Haifa University Address
Date: 27 Sep 92 05:46:59 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <iq2oRB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
> Can anybody provide me with the address of Haifa University (or is it
> called University of Haifa?)?  A friend would like to apply to their PhD
> program in education, but is having some difficulty locating their
> address.  I bet her a nice dinner that I could come up with it before she
> could.  Don't let me down, I have no money!!!
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Todd
> __________
> A PhD student at Florida Atlantic University with so little money I can't
> afford a .sig, so just e-mail me at Waldo@Cybernet.cse.fau.edu

The address I have for the University of Haifa is: Mount Carmel 31999 Haifa.
Their phone number is: +972-4-240111; fax: +972-2-342104. Obviously, they're
on the Internet. 

This is none of my business but why would your friend want to do a PhD at
Haifa University ? I hope she realizes the dissertation is written in Hebrew.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:06:43
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu's message of Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:19:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.201906.10654@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

   In article <RLK.92Oct6124924@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:

   # If organized Judaism is going to take a hard line toward people who
   # intermarry, and parents of someone who intermarries are going to go
   # through the whole mourning routine, it's not going to make Judaism look
   # very attractive.

	   Judaism is not supposed to look attractive.  It is supposed to
   provide guidlines for Jews to live their lives.  If you are "into"
   Judaism simply because it is attractive to you, may I suggest that you
   do not understand Judaism at all.

Unfortunately, that puts people who are wavering into a tough spot.  If
someone's forced to make that decision on an absolute basis (give up
Judaism or give up one's potential mate), a lot of people are going to
make the decision to give up Judaism altogether  I can understand not
wanting to compromise on an important matter of principle, but not
everyone holds the same principles, and this kind of stand doesn't give
them very much choice.  A more outreaching position, as Rob Strom
alluded to, might help hold on to people who would otherwise leave
altogether.
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:55:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Keywords: "The Protocols" ; Writing polish in scj

mb = matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
mo = d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski)

mo: An example : I spent a weekend in Warsaw in march 1992. I happened
mo: to live in a hotel next to a church. The church had a bookshop. In the
mo: window of this bookshop I noticed "The Protocols of the Elders of
mo: Sion" (correct english name?) in polish.

mb: What was the content of the book you mention? Did you read it? Or do
mb: you habitually judge books by their covers?

Perhaps not all are familiar with "The Protocols of the Elders of
Zion", but it is a well-known antisemitic work.  While the presence of
this book in a single church does not provide evidence of the attitude
of other churches, or the entire population of the area, one doesn't
have to open the book to realize that something just isn't kosher in
that particular church.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT)
Subject:  Religious question
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:45:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

  Do Orthodox Jews still practice animal/food sacrifice to the God of Abraham?
Why or why not?

  What do Orthodox Jews think of these Hebrew names:
-Elohim
-YHWH (pronounced yaw-way)
-Jehovae?

  Refering to the Old Testament in the christian bible, how do Jews refer to
this book?  (i.e. what name do they call the scriptures).

  Are there any differences in the writings contained in the Old Testament and
the Jewish Scriptures?

  What do Orthodox Jews think of:
-Jesus Christ
-christians
-Saul of Tarsus (known as Paul in New Testament bible)
-John the Baptist (New Testament)
-Ezekiel (Old Testament).


I am really curious.  John R. Hiatt
JHIATT@SIM.ES.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pavlovic-milan@CS.YALE.EDU (Milan Pavlovic)
Subject: Re: Edward the Zionist
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:16:05 GMT

  A very interesting debate has evolved recently on scy.  Here is what one
Croatian wrote in response to the writing of Mr. Edward Wiener:
===============================================================================
In article <9227512.14305@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC) writes:
>
>
>Get your head out of your arse and wake up.
>The Ustase were not fascists.....you probably read
>a book or two written by some Serb or communist and you
>think you know everything about Ante Pavelic and the Ustase.
>
>You zionists are no better than the Chetniks, look at what you've
>done to the Palestians. You treat them as the Serbs treat us.
>
>ZA POGLAVNIKA I DOM SPREMNI 
>
>ZIVJELA NEZAVISNA DRZAVA HRVATSKA
>
>SMRT SRBIJI I JUGOSALVIJI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
===============================================================================
And for those interested, here is the translation of the last three lines:

FOR THE FUHRER AND READY FOR THE HOMELAND

LONG LIVE THE INDEPENDENT STATE OF CROATIA

DEATH TO SERBIA AND YUGOSLAVIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  These are just some of the salutes used in the fascist slaughterhouse called
"The Independent State of Croatia", during WWII. I guess the Croatians are less
hesitant to show their real face now, since they have achieved independence
and succeeded in villifying the Serbian nation in the Western media.

Regards,
Milan
===============================================================================
	M A C E D O N I A.....G R E E K  F O R  4 0 0 0  Y E A R S
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Subject: Cross-dressing
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:16:47 GMT

Several weeks ago, the Torah Parsha discussed the admonition 
against cross-dressing.  Specifically, the Parsha stated that men 
should not wear women's apparel and vice versa.  What then is the 
situation with respect to women wearing kippot and tallaisim in 
shul?  The yarmulke is clearly a man's article of clothing with lace 
head coverings being the feminine equivalent.  Thus, it seems that 
women should not wear yarmulkes, rather that they should wear a 
lace head covering or other feminine head covering so that they 
would be in compliance with this commandment.  Since there is no 
feminine equivalent to a tallis, the solution is not as apparent.  Is
the tallis a male garment?  Do tallis color and patterns 
differentiate the genders?  Can a woman wear her own tallis, but 
not borrow a man's?  Basis on this commandment, should women 
defer from wearing tallaisim or are tallaisim not considered 
garments?

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
McLean, VA   22102
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Cross-dressing
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:40:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.131647.27288@linus.mitre.org> edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit) writes:
>....  What then is the 
>situation with respect to women wearing kippot and tallaisim in 
>shul?  The yarmulke is clearly a man's article of clothing with lace 
>head coverings being the feminine equivalent.  

Or hats, of course.  A woman in my shul was wearing a sailor's hat (one
of the British-style hats, not the American-style Popeye hat) on Rosh
Hashanah (it matched her suit, I guess).  A few years ago there was a 
fashion for women to wear hats much like the traditional Hussar shako.
I have never heard the issue of "beged ish" raised with respect to such
things, so I would question whether it is an issue with respect to a kipah.
I have, indeed, seen Orthodox women wearing the big, embroidered Bokhara
kippot as hats.

>... Basis on this commandment, should women 
>defer from wearing tallaisim or are tallaisim not considered 
>garments?

A talit is by definition a garment.

Any shul in which women wear talitot is unlikely to be a shul in which
a talit is considered a specifically male garment.

Aryk Nusbacher
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:04:11 EDT
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: RE: Shul name
 <1992Sep22.124935.1724@umbc3.umbc.edu>
 <1992Sep23.011351.10613@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
 <1992Oct2.153627.12925@bony1.bony.com> <BvKDq1.K4o@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 <4OCT92.13483142@meena.cc.uregina.ca>

In article <4OCT92.13483142@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, isilver@meena.cc.uregina.ca
says:
>
>Some names I've liked:
>-      Anshe England (in Toronto)
>-      Holy Blossom (likewise)
>-      The Christchurch Synagogue (its official name, as per
>Goldman's "The History of the Jews in New Zealand". This latter
>building is 111 years old. My father was bar-mitzvah there.
>      What is the name of the shul in Corpus Christi?
>       Regards
>                            Ian
>

Let's not forget the St. John's Wood Synagogue in London.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Subject: Re: Yokhanan HaTovel
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:04:29 GMT

In <4309@moscom.com> de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:

>In article <91035@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wi
ener) writes:
>>Actually, the Baptist had his own Jewish splinter movement at the time,
>>presumably related to the Essenes.  After his execution, many became
>>convinced that *he* was the Messiah.  Believe it or not, this obscure
>>religion has survived for the past two millennia.  Last I heard (ten years
>>ago), there were roughly 10000 adherents in Iraq (called Mandaeans).  That
>>"has survived" may be "had survived", considering.

>Are these people Jewish?  Besides belief in John, how do their beliefs differ
>from Judaism?

>Thanks.

They are not Jewish.  According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the Mandaean
religion is a type of Gnosticism.  This is a completely separate religion,
although it incorporates many elements of Judaism (in particular, early forms
of Kabbalah), Christianity and Greek philosophy.  While the Mandaeans claim
that John the Baptist was one of them, and that they migrated from Judea to
Iraq, it is by no means certain that this is the case.


-- 
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Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: elliot@ansoft.com (mike elliot/.nam)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: Ansoft Corp. Pittsburgh
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:56:08 GMT

In article <RLK.92Oct2203841@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>In article <emc.718055615@tomalak> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>
>   stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>   >JOHN HIATT writes:
>   >>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?
>
>   >The simple answer is that your question is totally irrelevant for
>   >this (s.c.j.) newsgroup.
>
[comments deleted for brevity]
>
>Except for the fact that John Hiatt has posted similar things before,
>and not in a way that strikes me (or a lot of other people) that he's
>looking for information.

In that light, you can either:

  o Treat his query as an honest question and answer it to the best
    of your ability. This aids people like myself who are interested
    in the differences/similarities between different religions.

  o Ignore it. Don't waste net bandwidth flaming people publically.

  o E-mail your opinions to the poster. He may not realize that his
    posting is inappropriate (although, in this case, I would argue
    that it is).

>--
>ames >>>>>>>>>  |	Robert Krawitz <rlk@think.com>	245 First St.

BTW, thanks to all those who treated this as an honest question. I
     did learn something from your replies.

-mje

-- 
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elliot@ansoft.com

Disclaimer: My boss doesn't listen to what I say, why should you?
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tzom Gedalia
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:24:21 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish,world
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bobwest@code3 (Bob Westover)
Subject: Re:  * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: 3M HIS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:22:25 GMT

In article <ld10s0INN60e@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>To quote from a button I saw recently:  "And they shall beat their
>swords into ploughshares, for when you hit a man with a ploughshare, he
>knows he's been hit!"

The button I saw was "He who beats his sword into a ploughshare will
plough for those who didn't." :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng)
Subject: Re: Jews and the Black death (was Re: What is chalitza?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:19:29 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>I have heard that Jews did not suffer as much from the Black death - in
>proportion to population - because of a side effect of the same gene that
>causes Tay Sachs disease.  That is, a population prone to the TS genetic
>effect is also prone to immunity from Black Death.

>Can any of the net.geneticists say something about this or is it just a
>JEL (Jewish Urban Legend)?
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

Jared Diamond wrote an article on the topic called "Curse and Blessing
of the Ghetto" in Discover, March 1 1991. I think I recall that the
the idea was still in the hypothesis phase. If you can't find the article,
I'll try to dig it up and summarize it for you. I'd also be happy to let
you know of any further evidence I may read about.

                             -steve

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From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:30:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


   The history of Polish anti-semitism is historical fact.  There
is so much documentation of this that to dispute this would be an
intellectual analogue to denying the Holocaust.
   But even more interesting than this is the effort to modify or
erase this aspect of Polish historical fact.A fine book by Lucy
Dawidowicz, entitled "The Holocaust and the Historians," examines
this issue in a chapter called "Polish Historical Revisionism."
   The book is published by Harvard University Press.  The book's
ISBN is 0-674-40567-6.
-- 
   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
may not be both."
                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:23:54 GMT

faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:

>On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:48:36 GMT, norm@helix.nih.gov said:
>> I know of a Reform place in Balto, Md, that uses trumpets for shofar.  I
>> would guess that it would not make a difference whether or not it was
>> Shabbos.

>That's a new one on me. In all my years of going to Reform synagogues on RH
>and YK, I've seen only Shofars.

>Daniel

    That's progress, Daniel, always something new under the sun. Just think
about that, trumpetS (plural), in Balto. One plays Shebarim, another T'rua,
a third one Shebarim-T'rua, all at the same time! A major Halachic problem
is thus solved! And just think about hasatan trying to disentangle this
web ! A fantastic trick to mix it (satan) up!
    The guy who blew for us last week desperately tried to give just a touch
of vibrato to the Tqioth (Davka) surrounding the Zichronoth blowing, to utter
what his congregation was feeling. B'AVONOTAV HARABIM (I don't know how to
translate that) he played the trumpet in a jazz band in his late teens, and he
tells me how easier this would have been, soundwise, with a trumpet...

     Yaaqov
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Haifa University Address
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:04:42 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Sep27.054659.584@vms.huji.ac.il>, backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
> In article <iq2oRB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
>> Can anybody provide me with the address of Haifa University (or is it
>> called University of Haifa?)?  A friend would like to apply to their PhD
>> program in education, but is having some difficulty locating their
>> address.  I bet her a nice dinner that I could come up with it before she
>> could.  Don't let me down, I have no money!!!
>> 
>> Thanx,
>> 
>> Todd
>> __________
>> A PhD student at Florida Atlantic University with so little money I can't
>> afford a .sig, so just e-mail me at Waldo@Cybernet.cse.fau.edu
> 
> The address I have for the University of Haifa is: Mount Carmel 31999 Haifa.
> Their phone number is: +972-4-240111; fax: +972-2-342104. Obviously, they're
> on the Internet. 
> 
> This is none of my business but why would your friend want to do a PhD at
> Haifa University ? I hope she realizes the dissertation is written in Hebrew.
> 
> Josh
> backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL


I'm now reading HIGHER EDUCATION IN ISRAEL: A Guide for Overseas Students. 
For entering the PhD program at Haifa University the foreign applicant must
meet the following requirements:
1) Possess the equivalent of an Israeli M.A. from an institution of recognized
standing, a written M.A. thesis, and show evidence (in academic records) of
outstanding scholarship;

2) Submit letters of recommendation;

3)Knowledge of Hebrew

Josh

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL






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