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From: gie@charon.er.usgs.gov (Gerald I. Evenden)
Subject: State Plane Coodinate Systems
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:26:02 GMT

>  I am wondering if there exists a public domain (preferably) or
> commercial software that contains all the info to convert between
> latitude and longitude and state plane coordinates (SPCS).  Actually, I
> should also ask if the same exists for going to the Universal 
> Transverse Mercator grid system also.  I'm assuming that the SPCS
> is the more common of the two in the US.  Thanks for the assistance.
> (reply by email or to this group depending on your judgement of
> general interest)
> 
> Doug Rorem
> University of Illinois at Chicago
> rorem@bert.eecs.uic.edu

There are two variants of a FORTRAN system called GCTP (General Cartographic
Transformation Package) that will perform geographic<->SPCS conversions for
both NAD27 and NAD83 datums:

	General Cartographic Transformation Package (GCTP), Version II
	(software subroutines available on DOS floppy, but no main program,
	as I recall).
	Available from:
		National Geodetic Information Center
		N/CG174, Rockwall Bldg, Rm 24
		Nationa Geodetic Survey, NOAA
		Rockville, MD  20852
		(301) 443-8631
	
	GCTP is also available from the USGS---a version with about four
	more projections than the NOAA system.  It also contains two
	variants of main programs.  Check with:

		USGS Books and Reports Sales
		Federal Center, Box 25425
		Denver, CO  80225
		(303) 236-7476

A Unix C projection system 'proj' provides SPCS conversion and is available
via ftp anonymous from charon.er.usgs.gov as file pub/proj-3.1.2.tar.Z .
A Postscript 63 page manual is in files under directory pub/proj.OF90-284.ps
or can be obtained from the above mentioned USGS Books address as: Open-file
Report 90-284, "Cartographic Projection Procedures for the UNIX Environment---
A User's Manual."  For the more adventurous, release 4 of 'proj' is available
as BETA.PROJ.4.tar.Z .  The later is ANSI C and has successfully been compiled
under DOS as well as a least 5 Unix C compilers.  Check with me on questions
or problems with regards to 'proj.'

Unofficial copies of both NOAA GCTP are on charon.er.usgs.gov's ftp as
GCTP-II.tar.Z and *.dat files under ftp/temp.

Regarding the question of "common" usage of SPCS or UTM (Universal Transverse
Mercator):

	SPCS are established by each of the US States principaly for local
	surveying and similar land descriptive needs.  Definitions are an
	act of State legislatures.

	UTM is an internation standard and post dates the concept of SPCS.
	USGS maps usual print both UTM and SPCS grids on large scale maps.

Incidentally, all of the above mentioned software will readily handle
UTM transformations.

PS: currently charon.er.usgs.gov is 128.128.19.24 , but this number will
	probably change in the near future.

Ciao.
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Subject:      Remote Sensing Job Available

COMMERCIAL REMOTE SENSING POSITION


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This is a one-year appointment to NASA's Goddard Space Flight
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Interested candidates should contact Dr. John Bossler at The Ohio
State University, Center for Mapping, phone 614-292-1600, fax
614-292-8062.
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Subject: ASPRS and AAG addresses
From: cvalj000@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Mike Cancellier)
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:44:12 PST
Organization: Cal Poly Pomona Geography
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Hi all,
	I am trying to find out the EMail address or phone number for the AAG. 
I want to get some membership applications.  Myself and 3 or 4 of the students
that work for me are interested in joining.  Actually, now that I think about
it, the same requeest goes for the ASPRS.  I would like to get both groups
taken care of at the same time.  Assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

       Mike
        
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From:         "(Chris Hermansen)" <clh@TFIC.BC.CA>
Subject:      Enterprise - the e-word?

Hi all;

Some few days ago, someone exhibited the term "enterprise XXX", where XXX
was computing, or GIS, or some such thing; a barrage of notes followed on
the definition of "enterprise".

Well, folks, some of you may have incorrectly assumed that "enterprise" was
just another one of those underdefined hype-words that would disappear; I am
here to tell you that you are WRONG!

Today, I was examining my "Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence"
catalogue from MIT Press, and what do I see:

"Enterprise Integration Modeling - Proceedings of the First International
   Conference" Charles Petrie Jr ed.

In case you think this is but a flash in the pan, I should further warn you
that there were no fewer than five workshops on "EL modeling topics".  The one
on "Metrics and Methodologies" sounds particularly interesting.

As they say, "inquiring minds want to know".

Chris Hermansen                         Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Voice: 1 604 733 0731                   302 - 958 West 8th Avenue
FAX:   1 604 733 0634                   Vancouver B.C. CANADA
clh@tfic.bc.ca                          V5Z 1E5

C'est ma facon de parler.
From: slshf@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: need help on determining the direction of closed circle
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:08:19 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Dear friends:

Could somebody there tell me an algorithm about how to determine if
a point is in a polygon or the boundary of the polygon is clockwise?
The polygon is just consists of some closed x-y nodes.

Thank you.

Please reply to :  slshf@cc.usu.edu
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From: sealy@aeneid.rtp.dg.com (Virgil Sealy)
Subject: Re: Where can I get stuff...
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:20:16 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <56480001@hpsad.sad.hp.com> arlie@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Arlie Haig) writes:
>Hi, I'm new to this group and to the GIS world, and wish to get up to
>speed as quickly as  possible.  So, some questions:
>
>How do I retrieve this "list of FAQ"?

I just posted the latest FAQ.  I have several edits to include but work has
been busy so they will appear in next month's version.  

>Regards,
>Arlie Jan Haig [who, in reality, is a pc designer, which, to her dismay, (or
>extreme pleasure, depending on the viability of her GIS plans) is a dying
>field of employment].

/vs

Virgil Q. Sealy     | Internet: sealy@dg-rtp.dg.com
Data General Corp.  | Phone: (919) 549-8421 x6203
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RTP, NC 27709       |        question but what is an FAQ?
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From:         "(Ravi Narasimhan)" <esri!turing!ravi@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: annotating SURFACEDRAPEs in ARC/INFO?

Eric,
     I presume, you want annotations rendered in a perspective view next
to the draped view.

     (If you simply want "planimetric" annotations next to your draped views,
it is very easy to do. Since SURFACEDRAPE is now integrated into Arcplot,
you can use the Map composer to add North arrows, and scale bars to your
draped views, just like you add them to your maps.)

    Rendering annotations in a perspective view, is a little more difficult.

- Render the surface planimetrically (using IMAGE, GRIDPAINT etc.)
- Place all the annotations
- Determine the MAPEXTENT that covers all the annotations (MAPX)
- Create a graphics file which contains just the annotations (planimetric)
- Create your original Draped view
- Set Mapextent to MAPX
- Change the SURFACE to NONE
  (This will load a FLAT surface, whose extent is MAPX. You may need to play
   with the height of the FLAT surface.)
- Drape the graphics file

Hope this helps.


Ravi.

rnarasimhan@esri.com
From: panda@syrinx.umd.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: GeoVision Press Release
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:54:42 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <9210062112.AA05290@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> ingoldsb@CUUGNET.CUUG.AB.CA ((Terry Ingoldsby)) writes:
>Re: Enterprise GIS
>
>There are considerable differences between what I call "project based" GIS
>versus Enterprise or Corporate GIS.  In the latter, you may have dozens or
>even hundreds of people performing updates to the spatial/textual data base.

Well, I had someone at GeoVision on the phone yesterday and at the end
of our conversation I asked about this new term.  The woman said it 
refered to a GIS for a compnay which can use all the company's databases
in a regular database form/system. This would allow for what she
called 'non-traditional' uses of GIS, such as tracking customers, 
marketing applications, etc.

-- 
Lisa Wolfisch Nyman              "Life is too short to wear ugly underwear."
panda@syrinx.umd.edu                                REMEMBER TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER
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From:         George Benwell <GBenwell@GANDALF.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject:      RE: Confused about digital scales

>
>The 1:50 000 scale quoted also refers to the accuracy of the captured data.
>There are minimum accuracies required (and what is reasonable) for data at
>such and such a scale.
>

This discussion could well do with an input from Adam Lewis of
Centre for Resource and Environmental Science, Australian
National University, Canberra (sorry don't have an Email
address).  Adam is sizing up his PhD on SCALE.  He is now
2.5 years into it.  Go Adam !!!!!

Cheers



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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:33:43 EDT
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From:         Patrick.H.McHaffie@DARTMOUTH.EDU
Subject:      macGIS

hello

i am interested in hearing general (brief) comments from any educators who
have had experience with macGIS as an undergraduate teaching tool.  dartmouth
is a mac-campus (i.e. all undergraduate freshmen required to buy a system) so
macs predominate. we have been quoted a LOW price for the package (ver. 2.0,
$22US for the full system and documentation) and would probably have students
buy it as a supplemental resource through the bookstore.  Any general
comments could be directed to my e-mail address given below. cheers!

Patrick McHaffie
Department of Geography
Dartmouth College
6017 Fairchild Hall
Hanover, NH 03755
(603) 646-1309

Patrick.H.McHaffie@DARTMOUTH.EDU

"Gray, my dear friend, is every theory, and green alone life's golden tree."
Goethe
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From:         Alan Fiermonte <ABZX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      3-D Terrain Modelling

Could a compilation of info be posted to GIS-L Re: 3-D Terrain Modelling
by the person who posted request...cmp0145@uk.ac.uea.sys...host name not
working as listed for private response.

THX

Alan Fiermonte
abzx@cornella.cit.cornell.edu
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:37:04 -0400
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From:         i43_ps02@RED.WHOI.EDU
Subject:      Chinese landuse coverages

One of my colleagues is researching spatial movement of Chinese forests. If
anyone has any idea where we might get landuse coverages at moderately
useful resolutions, please contact me. Perhaps digitized coverages of old
Chinese maps of forest cover contrasted with newer ones, or some such? He
wants to learn about rates of deforestation, regrowth, and spatial layout.
Please direct responses to :
Peter Schlesinger
The Woods Hole Research Center
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From:         VONMEYER <VONMEYER@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      re enterprise gis"

It could be that the term enterprise gis comes from information
engineering and mis where enterprise models and enterprise systems
are "corporate" and shared at the highest levels of the organization.
an enterprise data model that included spatial information may be
the blueprint for a corproate gis implementation strategy.  There
are also enterprise technology models and enterprise process models.
it seems natural that enterprise gis would support this type of
modeling and description, although it is seldom an implentable thing,
enterprise is typically more organizational and descriptive.

nancy
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From: terry@geovision.gvc.com (Terry McGonigal)
Subject: Re: Goodbye, and a Warning
Organization: GeoVision Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:37:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.012735.6156@geovision.gvc.com> posted to
comp.infosystems.gis, pt@geovision.gvc.com writes:
[ Details of Paul's departure from c.i.g omitted ]
>I don't know if anybody else at GeoVision subscribes to this group.  Sorry
>if there is nobody to take up the slack, but I think you'll agree I have
>good reason.
There *are* a couple of other GVSI-ites that subscribe to c.i.g, and I'll
gladly answer GVSI related questions/queries (or at least pass them on to
someone who can).

>I may be back when that idiot graduates or leaves the network.
Net life can be sooo much fun...

Cheers,
-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re:      Enterprise - the e-word?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:16:15 GMT

Hype?:

%A Thomas W. Malone
%A Richard E. Fikes
%A Kenneth R. Grant
%A Michael T. Howard
%Z Cognitive and Instructional Sciences Group, Xerox Palo Alto Research Center
%T Enterprise: A Market-like Task Scheduler for
Distributed Computing Environments
%B The Ecology of Computation
%E B. Huberman
%I North Holland
%C NY
%D 1988
%P 177-205
%K distributed computing, job scheduling, bidding, markets,
decentralized control, heuristics, simulation, load balancing
%d October 1983
%K Rdpsdis.bib Rsingh
%X Working Paper, in preparation, proposes the use of bidding for
resources as a way to get rid of idle workstations.

One of numerous.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
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From: pm@jimz.kuban.su (Kupiansky)
Subject: Looking for E-mail adress of TELESPAZIO (Italy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:48:02 GMT
Reply-To: pm@jimz.kuban.su
Organization: JrIMZ

 Dear Sirs!

  We presume that our joint works in realization AGROTEL project soon
will  start and would like to have direct E-mail communication between
Telespazio and SRILEM.

Sinserely
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From:         LDOWNS@BSS2.UMD.EDU
Subject:      Re: Highway shield markersets in ARC/INFO

Hi - Rather than making the highway symbols in AutoCad, you can
create them with Markeredit in the Arcplot program of ARC/INFO (if
you were talking to ESRI, I gather that you are using ARC/INFO).
There are various files you can choose symbols from to overlay in
order to create a symbol or you can digitize the symbol then bring it
into Markeredit (at least in the <6.o versions you could; I have not
tried it with the >6.0 version).

Lynda Downs
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From:         "(Patrick L. Jones)" <pjones@NEON.MITRE.ORG>
Subject:      Grass on SCO Unix ?

	Howdy,

	Has anyone had experience running GRASS under SCO unix on a 386/486 ?  Does
anyone support GRASS under SCO.  I would like to hear how well it runs and/or
 how
buggy it is


							Thanx,


							Patrick Jones
							plj@mitre.org
From: andrew@drawing.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Trotter)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: An Enlightened View of the Future of GIS!
Keywords: Education
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:28:53 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@drawing.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Trotter)
Organization: University of Adelaide
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--
|>In article 1992 Oct6.Duane F Marble
|>
|>The current Newsletter of the Association of American Geographers (Oct)
|>in the "Notes from Ptolemy" column quotes Martin Kenzer of Florida
|>Atlantic University (Applied Geography, July 1992). Speaking of
|>"Applied and Academic Geography and the Remainder of the Twentieth 
|>Century," Kenzer is quoted as saying:
|>
|>        Moreover, unless I misread the future, GIS and similar
|>        techniques will shortly become part of every major word
|>        processing software package ... If this does happen, what
|>        role will our [academic] departments then play, and how
|>        will our exorbitantly trained personnel compete alongside
|>        inexpensive software manuals?
|>
|>Maybe this should have been posted in comp.infosystems.gis.jokes!

I am attempting to develope a graphically driven GIS Facilities Management
System ans as I see the future this will be the norn for the future software
that will be used for all manner of tasks.

Education is the solution to your perceived problem as education itself
will embrase the technology as fast as funding will allow and the
academics themselves become educated as to the capabilities of the systems.

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Dear netters.

        GIS-L is a very high traffic list. Each morning i found a lot of
interesting msgs. But it's commonly found some problems:

        1. *PERSONAL* msgs: it's commom to find people sending msg to one
another all over the *LIST*. It's not good. Please send your msg directly
to the receiver.

        2. *NO* e-mail: Another common mistake is to send questions to
the list *WITHOUT* the e-mail address for response...! Please, use the
*signature* at the end of your msg. Ask for it in the software support.

        3. *REPLY*: if you want to reply, don't do it for all the list.
In a list environment, a reply will return to the *LIST* not to the
person. Look for the address of the sender and e-mail directly to him.

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From:         "(Farrell W. Jones)" <farrell@CYPRESS.CADGIS.LSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hypercard as a GIS?
              "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!GIS-L" at Oct 16, 92 4:44 pm

> es anyone have any information about GIS implementations that have been
> done using Hypercard on a macintosh?
>
> I am looking for  a topic for a Master's thesis project in Landscape
> Architecture, and I want to be able to implement a demonstration on my
> Powerbook.
>



Michael:

   I have heard of a MicroStation Mac-Oracle-HyperCard combination being
used for a mapping application where HyperCard is the user interface
to Oracle.

Farrell Jones                  email: farrell@cypress.cadgis.lsu.edu
Systems Manager                voice: (504) 388-6134
LSU CADGIS Research Lab          fax: (504) 388-6400