From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Latin verse for the day.
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Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:15:12 UTC

In article <1992Dec17.034110.3062@midway.uchicago.edu> 
dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>Of course, if we're talking love, say up at chakra six or so, the
>>ultimate quote has got to be:
>>"Roma backwards is amor."	- unknown 12th century French heretic
>>Quite a subversive statement if you think about it.
>Okay, I know the best have all been humbled and that we are not
>the best, but could you explain Roma/amoR ??

Now, I didn't say *we* are not the best, I said *I* am not the best, but I
may have said that only metaphorically. ::B^} Just because I say
something doesn't make it so, in the sense of conjugation of the verb
"to be." [Mr. Subliminal says YHWH]

As for roma backwards being amor, I'll try my best. 12th century Europe
was the Romantic period, the time of Chretien de Troyes' (Christian of
Troyes) Perceval and Yvain, The Romance of the Rose, Letters of Heloise
and Abelard, Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parzival, Gottfried von
Strassburg's Tristan and others. This period may have been a peak of
European culture. Christianity was applying the final choke hold to
Europe, the native myths were being burned. Order, in the sense of Roman
Order, or Pax Romana was upon the land. Everyone was to conform to the
Christian ideal, non-conformers were persecuted and often burned.
Chretien de Troyes was unable to finish his or her's Perceval perhaps
having been found out by the authorities. The Letters of Heloise and
Abelard represent the period well. These are the actual love letters
between the two. So, to explain roma/amor, these are words from Langue
d'Oc, the old French of Southern France, roma meaning Roman or order
enforced by threat of torture and death, and amor meaning love of the
heart. Hindu Kundalini Yoga recognizes two main types of love: Chakra
two being the love of the mutual attraction of the gonads, and chakra
six being love from the heart, agape or aloha or I recognize the deity
in you. Make any sense? Think about the world we have today. It is Pax
Etats Unites, our culture is enforced on the world. All must adhere to
socially acceptable guidelines, etc. Step out of line, say Cuba for
example, and the long arm of the military-industrial complex will
persecute you. Today, we have a sense of order that the Romans would
probably find too restrictive. Just as the Romans took the culture of
Greece and placed military order on top of it, we take the cultures of
the world and place military order on top of them. Is there any other way?
Is War an appropriate metaphor for life? Is the best culture the one
that survives to tell, the one that destroys all others? Conversion is
one of the greatest examples of man's inhumanity towards man. Why do we
hate ourselves so much? Heaven is right here, right now, only most don't
see it for what it is. Hell is not seeing. Why do we make our lives, and
the lives of our fellow space travellers on planet Earth, Hell? Life is
a fire that feeds on itself, life eats life thus creating and recreating
death. Should we feed this fire or quench it? Should we allow others to
do as they chose or should we also feed or quench this fire for them?
According to Hebrew scripture, man has dominion over and responsibility
for the greater being of the earth. Are we living up to the bargain?
Are we even aware of what we are doing? Is the fire out of control? Is
it true that roma backwards is amor? Fear/Desire, Hate/Love?

>Veritas vos liberabit (The Truth Shall Make You Free)
Quot homines, tot sententiae (There are as many opinions as there are
people) - Terence