From: mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson)
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:51:36 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"

casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:


>Let the record show, yet again, who lit the flame-thrower and what innocent
>target it was pointed at.  As long as you guys keep up the flames,
>alt.astrology will be Hell.  It's that simple.

>Laughable.  We could argue about who resembles the fundamentalist more: the
>astrology die-hard who chooses to ignore all the evidence against astrology
>and accept it unquestioningly, on faith, or the skeptic who questions
>everything.  Your attribution of the inquisition to scientists shows your
>perception of the past is as skewed as your understanding of the present.

>No Roy, I'm afraid you and your intolerance (provoking rage) at anyone who
>questions your beliefs are more deserving of the fundie label.

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Dave:

I know you feel it's your duty to "enlighten us" on why astrology couldn't
possibly work based on your scientific evidence that disproves astrology. 
However, as I have stated before, this is an *astrology discussion*
newsgroup, i.e. those who find astrology interesting, fun, intriguing,
useful, etc.  There are hundreds of newsgroups on varying topics so
users can find the subjects that interest them most.  I don't spend
time reading groups that don't interest me, do you?  Those people who
remain committed to astrology have felt, I'm sure in some way, that the
information that they have received or gathered was or is useful in some
way.  That is for them to decide and you not to worry about.  Let people
believe as they will -- they and we are in no way a threat to you and your
beliefs.  There is enough room in this world for diversity and there are,
I'm sure, enough topics covered in Newsgroups that you could find at least
one where you fit in.  Maybe you could sit down with yourself for a moment
and ask yourself why you feel a need to slam other people's beliefs.  From
what you have already revealed about yourself, maybe you have always felt
that your beliefs weren't valid because you had a mother who was as
addiment about her beliefs as you are about your own? 
Maybe you never really felt like the topic was open for discussion at
home?  Maybe you have always wanted approval from her and for her to
understand where you were coming from?  

If there's one thing that I've learned in life -- you can't force people
into believing something if they don't want to no matter how much
scientific evidence you propose to back up your argument.  Believe it or
not, there are alot of other people who think they are "right" in their
beliefs as strongly as you feel they are "wrong".  You'll just have to
accept that.

I did read Eric Dynamic's interpretation of your chart, and although I
don't agree with his approach, I do agree with some of his comments.  I do
think your mother has taken something from you, part of your soul, part of
your inner child that was never listened to, part of your ability to
belief in something greater than you can know with your mind.  You rely on
what can be known by the rational mind and shut everything else out.  What
a shame.  I hope you can break down some of those walls.  There's so much
more to experience out there.  How boring to build such a small castle.

Mark


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