HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Subject: Re: SNL: October 3, Really Bad.
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:44:47 GMT

acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
> Is it just me, or was the October 3 Saturday Night Live 
> really, really boring?

Sorry to disagree, but I enjoyed this episode more than any other in
a long time.  It may just have been that Almost Live was a really good
warm-up for it.

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University of Washington, Tacoma        |   take one hour?
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From: lampman@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Ray Lampman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: WONDER YEARS (09/23)
Summary: Wart, a big goofy kid, who didn't know what his future would be.
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:50:53 GMT
Reply-To: Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv
Organization: FullFeed - Public Access Usenet/Email (+1 608 246 2701 guest)

In article <1992Sep26.002228.868@unixg.ubc.ca> mathew@unixg.ubc.ca writes:
#
# A question: in the episode where Wayne was rejected from the army for
# psoriasis and Wart left for boot camp, the voice-over Kevin says something
# about Wart's future. I don't remember what, but I *thought* it was
# something like he dies or gets paralyzed or something. Anyone remember?

Remember? No, but I can look it up. From  the  Wonder  Years  ar-
chive, "Private Butthead", episode #83, originally broadcast 1992
Feb 5, transcript of voice-over at the end of episode follows:

 "A few days later Wart left for basic training.
  He Spent two months at Fort Polk, Louisiana. And then,
  David Warchafter (sp?), was shipped to Vietnam, a big
  goofy kid, who didn't know what his future would be."

I'm not sure if "Warchafter" is spelled correctly,  because  I've
never  seen  it  in  print,  but  the  rest  of the voice-over is
correct. This voice-over "did" seems  a  bit  foreboding  at  the
time, but it remains consistent with the 6th season premiere.

Hope this helps,

Ray.
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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: QL: VQT awards
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:41:16 GMT
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

According to a brief article in the _Chicago_Tribune_ (Sept. 26,
1992) Scott Bakula was named best actor in a quality drama series
for "Quantum Leap" by Viewers for Quality Television. The _Tribune_
described Bakula as "a perennial favorite" of VQT.

Not that I ever, for a moment, doubted it.

Congratulations!!


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
			Leapers do it with...mirrors.
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From: patrickd@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: DarkWing Duck
Date: 29 Sep 1992 02:21:32 GMT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Distribution: world
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Summary: Sounds
Keywords: DW

If anyone has any Darkwing Duck GIFs or sounds, send them this way!  I WANT
THEM!  
 
If there's a newsletter, sign me up (and bean@wpi.wpi.edu also!)




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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: QL: When Venus Smiled--possible censoring or alteration?
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:37:04 GMT

DBBARBER@MACC.WISC.EDU (Deborah B. Barber) writes:

>In watching this episode on tape, there is a scene where Shields and Bakula
>are kissing, and she makes a feeble protest on the order of "but I'm saving
>myself for my husband....."  Bakula's voice says something like "you're
>saving yourself for your husband Nikos." however, his lips don't match those
>words.  Is this just a glitch in my video, or was there a belatedly-patched
>in dialog change?

Sometimes the words don't match the picture.  Most often when the person
involved is not facing the camera directly, and noticed when they turn.
For instance, in "A Leap For Lisa", when Sam says, "He's gone!  My
Shadow's gone!" it appeared that his lips were saying "gone" #2 when we
heard "Shadow's".

So my guess is, that was the intended dialog, but the sound take was
taken from another filming, and so it wasn't quite in sync.

>Deb Barber
>dbbarber@macc.wisc.edu

I'm surprised they aren't a bit more careful about that.  Probably due
to budgetary and time constraints.

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From: breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: SNL:  Where was Mike Myers?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:46:32 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

In article <1992Sep29.203258.10331@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:
>>>
>>>  PC> Where was Mike Myers on the SNL premiere?  I kept waiting for
>>>  PC> him to appear.  He and Dana Carvey are the only reasons to watch
>>>  PC> these days.
>>
>A couple weeks ago I heard he was in the Bay Area (S.F.) making a film
>(NOT a sequel to WW).
>
I can vouch for this, as a friend of mine was an extra in the film.  
It's called something like "I Married An Axe-Murderer", and might wind up   
being half-way funny (judging by the description of some of the scenes).  
As to what 
this portends for his future on SNL, I would say it bodes ill, but 
he might pull a Jan Hooks and return.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NEXP: why mena and women can't communicate
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:31:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

lopresti robert (lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu) wrote:
: Notice anything about the posts about the NEXP premiere?  Males
: are saying either a) they're really dumping on Maggie or b) Maggie
: found out how badly she treated these guys.  Females are saying
: Maggie found out the guys were jerks.  I pointed this amazing

Well, speaking as a "manly man" (tm) I think Maggie learned both that the
guys she dated were jerks *and* that she hadn't really treated them too
well.  But if they were really as big whiners as they seemed in the
dream sequence, well I am beginning to understand her attraction to 
Joel :-).

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From: jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber)
Subject: Re: NEXP on rec.arts.tv
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:48:58 GMT

In article <26SEP199221372748@cc.utah.edu> pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.131512.5241@gw.wmich.edu>, adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes...
>{In article <9209111456.AA02666@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, APUCORLE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU writes:
>{> 
>{> So, how many Northern Exposure fans are left on rec.arts.tv?
>{> 
>{> Hopefully, there are enough of us who can't get alt groups
>{> that we can carry on a small discussion during the upcoming
>{> season.
>{> 
>{> Let me know you're there!
>{> 
>{ 
>{I am here!!! Have a good story to tell about my daughter's and son-in-law's
>{two day visit to Roslyn.  Will post it later....no time.  I check each day
>{for NEXP postings.  {
>
>HEY! I'm here too! I can get the alt groups, but they are BORING. I guess 
>things are slow until we get the new season rolling.

>Heather Jarman 
>
Me too!  I asked my postmaster to get us the new alt group, but nothing
yet, and even if I do get it, I'll still be checking r.a.tv. for NX posts.


Jodi Weber
jodiweber@attmail.com   or   jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com

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From: helen@nomad.urich.edu (Helen C. O'Boyle)
Subject: Re: New Zoo Revue
Originator: news@nomad.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:41:52 GMT

In article <visser.717438715@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>In <1992Sep25.020202.1476@wam.umd.edu> mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu writes:
>
>+>In article <2708@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> chrislyn@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Tracey L.  
>+>Stanchfield) writes:
>+>> I'm hoping to augment my hazy recollections of this early 70's (?)
>+>> tv show. It was called "The New Zoo Revue" & was mostly live-action
>+>> with 3 people in animal constumes (Henrietta Hippo is the only one 
>+>> I clearly remember- the other 2 were male- maybe one was a frog?)
>+>> and 2 people- a man & a woman. 
>
>+>He was Gary Gnu, the other was a frong, but I can't remember her name.
>
>	The characters were Charlie the owl and freddy the frog.
>The man and woman were Doug and emmy-joe.
>
>	Gary Gnu is from another show.
>
>	New zoo revue was about as strange as television gets.

Weird trivia from a Disneymaniac.... Sharon Baird (one of the original
1950's Mouseketeers) played one of the animals, at least for part of
the show's run.  I think New Zoo Review was one of those Sid & Marty
Kroft puppet shows (you know, like HR Puffenstuff...) popular in
the late 1960's - early 1970's.  And yes, it was strange. ;-)

I don't recall much about the theme song except that it did mention
the characters that people have already mentioned.
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From: dmb@world.std.com (Deborah M Brown)
Subject: Re: Mariel Hemmingway to appear nude on network TV
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:33:02 GMT

In article <1aei7pINNho3@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
>In article <1ackiqINNinm@iraul1.ira.uka.de> noah@ira.uka.de (Noah B. Coccaro) writes:
>>Just heard on the news (AP) that Mariel Hemmingway will be appearing in 
>>a nude scene (i believe as a nude model) in the network TV series Civil Wars.

>Well, I've seen the episode, and there was more nudity in the "mooning"
>episode of "St. Elsewhere".

Too bad.  If you didn't tape it, you missed an OUTSTANDING episode of 
Law & Order last night.



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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Subject: Re: NX Premiere "Northwest Passages"
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:46:51 GMT

lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
> kimi@newsance.att.com (Kimiye Tipton;ball of confusion) writes:

> >It looks like Maggie and Joel are back to status quo, almost.
> >Interesting that they completely dropped the plot from the Juneau/
> >Wedding episodes.  On the other hand, once I thought about it, that
> >is what people really do.  You have some huge confrontation, get it
> >all out in the open (well, most of it), and then the next time you
> >see each other, you both act like it didn't happen.  Later, much
> >later, you finally talk about it again.

> My take on the relationship now, based on that very hospital room
> scene, was that there have indeed been some changes.  The very fact
> that Joel would ride on a helicopter (a medevac one, I assume), which
> he admits he's terrified of...and that he was up for 36 hours straight,
> obviously waiting through the surgery till she woke up...a little
> past the average level of concern of the doctor for the patient. :-)
> Then there was that kiss...

This is a bit tacky, but I gotta pass it on.  A coworker made the
observation, so don't blame me.  She said that when Maggie was in
Joel's examining room, she (my coworker) kept wondering if this was
Maggie's annual pelvic exam.

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Computer Facilities Manager             |  and why does it
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From: glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Mathew Glazer)
Subject: Re: REVIEW:  Woops!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:01:18 GMT

In article <9209280313.AA22308@hp370a.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh4@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Houer #4) writes:
>
>Well, it's not the best show on television, but out of about 80
>primetime network television series, it ranks up in the top ten
>(though closer to "10" than "1").

Dissenting opinion: This show struck me as more like #60 or so...

>>It has a LOT of similarities with "Gilligan's Island", though there
>are only six people in this universe instead of seven.

Well this might be the crux of the problem;  I've outgrown Gilligan's Isle
and really really don't want to watch it Sundays at 10:30.

[character descriptions, mostly including the word "stereotypical", deleted]

That's what really got me.  The horrible *Flatness* of this cast.  With
characters this flat, nothing interesting can ever happen.  Maybe they'll
wise up and start injecting some human life into these people in future
episodes (and please, nobody tell me "they were just in shock.")

>It may only last a single season, but I plan to get it on tape.
>I have this strange feeling it's the next "Simpsons", "Married
>with Children", or "Dinosaurs"--good comedy that REALLY makes
>you laugh--under *ONE* condition:  you DON'T take it seriously!

To be a meaningful critic, I should mention shows I do like: The Simpsons,
Northern Exposure, Seinfeld, (the deceased) Get a Life, and (possibly,
though it's still a bit early to say) Flying Blind.

I think I'm pretty good at appreciating "stupid" humor, but I need
more creativity than "Woops" is offering.

--Scott G

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From: geigel@seas.gwu.edu (Joseph Geigel)
Subject: NX : Midnight Sun episode and Letters From Cicely
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:55:18 GMT


Did anyone else notice the similarilties between Monday's (10/5)
episode and the "Letters Form Cicely" book?  (For all those who 
don't know, a Northern Exposure Book titled "Letters From Cicely"
was published in the spring).

I'm just wondering if that was a coincidence or whether the same writer
did both the episode and the book.

Incidently, the book is so true to the characters that I can only
assume it was written by a NX staff writer (The author is Ellis Wiener (sp?),
sound familiar to anyone?)


                              -- jogle
                                 geigel@seas.gwu.edu

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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: First impressions of Laurie Hill
Date: 2 Oct 1992 22:47:32 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Oct1.142033.13266@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
>     Well, I say Laurie Hill last night, the new show that follows Home
>Improvement, and I must say this is not the show to follow HI. It is
>more of a drama than a sitcom, dealing with very serious topics. I liked
>the show, but it sort of put me into a down mood ater HI. I doubt I will
>keep watching it though.

The TV Guide description of next week's episode sounds like it will be more
comedic than the first one was.  Delane Matthews (is that her name?) is a
pretty good comedy actress, so I'd expect decent stuff from this show.
However, I'll probably only see it on nights that I'm home, as I'll be
taping the Paul Reiser/Helen Hunt show on NBC.

-- 
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System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: This Old House (again)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:26:46 GMT

kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:

>In article <7330@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>>Trevor Jenkins (tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>>: Sometime ago I posted a query about "This Old House". I think that one of
>>: the British TV companies (*) is monitoring this newsgroup because ... next
>>: week they are running a series of them. From our version of "TV Guide" they
>>: are starting with the ep (does one call them eps for such a programme?) is
>>: the one where they renovated a house in London, England.
>>
>>Ah, the remodelling project from hell.  Even "This Old House" upbeat
>>presentation couldn't make this one look good.  I won't spoil it, but trust
>>me, everything goes wrong on this project.


Naw, it didn't top the barn "renovation".  You remember...that old barn that
turned out to be so structurally unsound that they had to tear the whole thing
down and build a new barn in its place>?


-- Andy (who once toured a friend's house and commented "Neat job...this looks
like the sort of work they'd have done on 'This Old House'" and was informed
that it was, indeed renovated by TOH)
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From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: Re: SNL:season premiere:comments
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:34:19 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>In article walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>>
>>In fact, this seems to be a hallmark of the show lately: talented cast members
>>wasted.  Chris Rock is a prime example: ...
>
>  You mean Chris Rock, the Luckiest Man on Television?  (narrowly
>beating out Bob Saget)  I really think that he is one of the worst
>players they have on that show.  The problem is he only has about 2
>characters/voices which he can do.


I get that impression from Ms. Sweeney.
Am I the only one who thinks that all the characters she plays have that
nasal-whiny-sort-of-Pat voice?

Maybe that's because their voices are so unique to begin with that it's
hard to charnge?  I don't know, but it bugs me also.

(But I have to disagree with "The Luckiest on TV".  Before Chris Rock,
I nominate the entire cast of "Full House"...fame by luck ONLY.
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From: fate@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Stykel)
Subject: Re: Marc Singer
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:17:41 GMT

I found out some more...
IF you can see what I hear........
Born to race.......
Body Chemistry.....
Watchers II........
DAllas 1986-87.....
      That's all I can find!
      fate@eskimo.celestial.com
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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: QL: One Group
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:18:40 GMT

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>I enjoy QL as much as many people.  I would like to see a group
>devoted to QL, but until then I've got a request to make.

>Can we agree to keep the QL posts in EITHER rec.arts.tv OR rec.arts.sf.tv?

>If an article is crossposted, my newsreader will not mark it read in
>all groups once I read it in one.  Plus, many people will reply to
>articles in just one of the groups, meaning I can't just ignore the
>articles of one group.

>I can't get another newsreader, and I'm sure I'm not the only one with
>this problem.  Plus, this might please a lot of people currently
>clamoring for us to leave their groups.  (Well, it'll please half!)

There are some people who
1. Do not get rec.arts.tv and rec.arts.sf.tv
2. Do not read rec.arts.tv and rec.arts.sf.tv
So in this situation trying to steer it one group is useless.

Since QL is an ambiguous show (SF or not) new posters are also
likely to post in either group. 

My opinion is to post in both groups so that those not interested
will support it - I can see those reading one group voting no
because they don't read the one group QL is posting in and are
against splits unless they are interested in the topic of course!

An example is the recent split in rec.comics.arts which split off
rec.comics.arts.xmen - the split was supported more by the non-fans
than the fans - the non-fans wanted to isolate (justifiable in my
opinion) the articles due to the posters variable subject lines.




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From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: What is the deal with that ANNOYING kid in the Britannica commercials?
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:20:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Sep25.081659.18327@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:

[comments on the young man in the Encyclopedia Brittanica TV commercials]

>He is one of the most annoying creatures I have ever seen.  The merest 
>sound of that scratchy, computer-enhanced voice sends me convulsively 
>grabbing for the remote's mute button.  He has done incredible damage to his 
>sponsor's reputation, in my eyes.  Britannica is now indelibly imprinted as 
>a cheap, sleazy, obnoxious, kid-oriented operation.  They have no better way 
>to spend their ad money than on crap like this?!  

I've long assumed that this is Stan Freberg's son. It's Freberg doing
the voice-overs, and the young man looks a lot like him. Also, since
Freberg is an advertising man, I presume he also wrote the commercial.
I agree that it's a poorly done spot. It's hard to believe that someone
as talented as Freberg could have created it.


Patty

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From: baker@rtsg.mot.com (Pam Baker)
Subject: Re: Get A Life: Chris
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.200526.1776@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>
>  So tell me, are there any female Get A Life fans out there?

Yes, I'm a GAL fan!! (and am constantly kicking myself for not
having taped any episodes)

My girlfriend is also a fan (but she doesn't have net access.


Pam
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