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From: grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: BOXSCORE:  Sacramento 126  Denver 106  05.Jan.93
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Another MIGHTY NUGGETS loss
Organization: Big Ed's Gas Farm
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:39:15 GMT



den 106, sac 126   05jan93

denver  gary plummer  flagrant foul 7:21 4th quarter
denver's 14th straight loss

den ( 7-21)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
ellis,laphonso    36   7  15   0  0   6  7   4  9   1  2  1  2  3  0  0  0   20
williams,reggie   28   4   8   0  0   2  2   0  1   3  6  4  3  1  0  0  0   10
mutombo,dikembe   28   4   6   0  0   3  4   3 13   2  3  0  3  2  0  0  0   11
jackson,chris     26   5  12   0  0   0  0   0  0   2  1  1  1  1  0  0  0   10
macon,mark        30   4   9   0  0   2  2   0  0   5  3  1  2  0  0  0  0   10
pack,robert       26   6  10   0  0   5  7   0  0   6  1  3  5  0  0  0  0   17
hastings,scott     6   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
liberty,marcus    16   6   9   2  3   1  3   2  2   1  2  0  1  1  0  0  0   15
brooks,kevin      22   4   8   0  0   1  1   1  1   2  3  0  2  1  0  0  0    9
plummer,gary      18   1   4   0  0   2  3   1  2   2  3  2  2  0  0  0  1    4
werdann,robert     4   0   1   0  0   0  0   1  3   1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
den totals       240  41  82   2  3  22 29  12 31  25 25 12 21  9  0  0  1  106
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .500   .667   .759       team rebs  6

sac (12-16)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
simmons,lionel    34   6  13   0  0   7  8   3  9   2  2  1  2  0  0  0  0   19
bonner,anthony    24   2   6   0  0   1  2   4  5   0  2  1  0  0  0  0  0    5
tisdale,wayman    30  11  14   0  0   0  0   2  8   3  0  0  1  0  0  0  0   22
richmond,mitch    35  11  17   0  0   3  3   1  4   4  1  0  4  0  0  0  0   25
webb,spud         34   8  15   1  2   1  2   1  1  13  3  4  4  0  0  0  0   18
brown,randy       16   1   2   0  0   1  2   1  3   1  4  0  2  1  0  0  0    3
williams,walt     22   5  11   1  2   9 10   2  3   2  4  3  2  1  0  0  0   20
higgins,rod       17   1   2   1  1   1  2   0  2   3  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    4
causwell,duane    12   2   4   0  0   0  0   1  2   0  4  1  1  1  0  0  0    4
rambis,kurt        8   2   2   0  0   0  0   2  3   0  2  2  2  0  0  0  0    4
conlon,marty       4   1   2   0  0   0  0   0  3   0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0    2
les,jim            4   0   2   0  1   0  0   0  2   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sac totals       240  50  90   3  6  23 29  17 45  28 25 12 20  3  0  0  0  126
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .556   .500   .793       team rebs 12

den   24  29  19  34  -  106
sac   32  29  34  31  -  126

attendance 17317, time 2:12, officials: JKersey,EMiddleton,MCallahan

-- 
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Phoenix-Jimmy Jackson
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:13:59 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ


Suns also get back half of Nealy's and Rambo's salaries.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:27:04 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <rlcarr.09ic@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.203526.4709@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>> who I think were better than Johnny Most.  Sure it was entertaining to
>> hear Most call Ruland and Mahorn "McFilthy and McNasty" but what I really
>                                                 ^^^^^^it's *McDIRTY
       no - you are wrong, it _is_ McFilthy & McNasty
>
>> want from an announcer is a description of the game and what's going on
>> and who's doing what on the court an descriptions of the players and plays.  
>> Most wasn't that good at that.
>
>Not in his last few years, but during the 50's, 60's, 70's, and early 80's
>he WAS quite good at play-by-play.
>

  note that ruland & mahorn were at washington in that timespan, so Mike
  is referring to that time period when he found Most lacking.  even in
  the 70's Most had lost a lot of play-by-play in his play-by-play.

- nate
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:19:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.153653.23633@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>>Has Paxson recovered from surgery yet?  Is Paxson in the starting five?
>>
>>Paxon, what's a Paxon.  Please play him so KJ can eat him up.  Do you
>>really want Paxon in your starting five - he's a defensive liability.
>
>I agree.  He has played miserably during each of the championship runs.
>The way he finds that open shot and drills the outside jumper to force
>opposing teams to stay in his face SUCKS!!!  Oh, :^)

I find it really amusing how people don't understand basketball.  There
are dozens of guys that could look great next to Jordan.  Paxon just
happens to be that lucky guy.  Whoever guards Paxon will almost every
time down the court pay as much attention to Jordan as they will Paxon.
You'd rather have Paxon taking outside shots (hell, he's not even a
threat to drive) than have Jordan destroy someone 1-on-1.

Look what happened to Byron when Magic left - he went from a star to a
below average 2 guard.  I loved it  - I always hated Byron (he was an
asshole at ASU) and knew he wasn't shit without Magic.  Same thing (only
worse) would happen to Paxon if Jordan left the Bulls.  In fact, the
Bulls would probably be an average team struggling to make the playoffs
without Jordan.
--
Harry Koehnemann			Arizona State University
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department
From: gbennett@frx784.intel.com (gbennett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:22:48 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <1ifpn3INNpij@shelley.u.washington.edu> tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
>
>		east: michael jordan, patrick ewing, scottie pippen,
>		      shaq o'neal, mark price, reggie miller, 
>		      joe dumar, isiah thomas, reggie lewis, 
>		      kevin mchale(?), larry johnson(?),		      
>
>		west: karl malone, charles barkeley, chris mullen,
>		      tim hardaway, john stockton, clyde drexler,
>		      david robinson, hakeem olajuwan, james worthy(?),
>		      gary payton(?),

How about Mitch Richmond on the west team?  I think he deserves it this year,
more so than Worthy or Payton (or even Drexler, given his bum knee).

>
>      *	i think i left out a lot of other players, please add accordingly.
From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Subject: Hot Rod Williams injured(Was Re: Hot Rod Williams)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:45:24 GMT

Hot Rod Williams has been injured and has not played for the 
past week or so.  He may be back towards the end of this week.
Anyone have a full injury report on him?

From a curious student of basketball,
Genghis
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Subject: Re: Sonics' draft picks
Keywords: Sonics Seattle
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:34:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.191752.19042@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
|> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
|> 
|> >Also, Webber is just a sophomore and Montross is a junior.  I wouldn't be
|> >surprised if Webber came out early, but I'd be very surprised if Montross
|> >did.
|> 
|> I'd be more surprised if either of them didn't. Mostly it depends on the
|> type of year they're having. If they have good years, expect them to enter
|> the draft. There's just no reason to stay if you're going to be a lottery
|> pick. The only reasons to stay would be to improve your draft number or
|> contend for the championship. But consider what you risk. A bad season or
|> injury and you've lost millions of dollars. The trend in both football and
|> basketball is to come out when you're hot. Both these guys are hot, and we
|> should expect to see them in the '93 draft, along with junior Anfernee
|> Hardaway, who's absolutely scary. I hope a team in the East picks him up.
|> 
|> -Brian Harper

I think that of all the underclassmen, Hardaway is the most likely to come out
in 93. He is *hot* now and Memphis State *sucks* so he really loses nothing if
he decides to come out a year early. 

I think we can expect to see quite a few underclassmen come out in 93. There are
a huge number of talented underclassmen and the senior class is particularly bad. 
If guys like Webber, Hardaway, Mashburn and Montross come out early, then they 
will probably be among the top 6 or 7 players selected.

The only good thing one can say about the 93 senior class is that there are a 
large number of talented shooting guard prospects (Rider, Dehere, Allan Houston, 
Cheaney etc) and with JJ and Doug Christie likely to re-enter the draft and with
Anfernee Hardaway likely to come out early, it looks as though it is going to be
a great draft for teams that want players at that position.

Raghu
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From: hhsiung@elm.Berkeley.EDU (Han Hsuing)
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: hhsiung@elm.Berkeley.EDU (Han Hsuing)
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc., Phoenix Product Division
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 15:40:19 GMT

In article <1ifpn3INNpij@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
|> 		east: michael jordan, patrick ewing, scottie pippen,
|> 		      shaq o'neal, mark price, reggie miller, 
|> 		      joe dumar, isiah thomas, reggie lewis, 
|> 		      kevin mchale(?), larry johnson(?),		      
|> 
|> 		west: karl malone, charles barkeley, chris mullen,
|> 		      tim hardaway, john stockton, clyde drexler,
|> 		      david robinson, hakeem olajuwan, james worthy(?),
|> 		      gary payton(?),
Dan "Thunder" Majerle should be an unanimous choice in the west.  Will, Gary Payton
has improved a lot this year, but I don't think he is performing at All-Star level
yet.  As far as James Worthy, he is not performing like an All-star anymore after
magic left.  The only way he can make it to the All-star game is by the votes of 
L.A. fans.  Don't forget the A.C. Green case two or three year back.  He was voted
by L.A. fan as a starter, and was booed by the crowd.  A.C. failed to score any point, and played very few minutes.  I would like to see Otis Thorpe, Sean Eilliot(?), Danny Manny, Mitch Richmod, and Shawn Kemp make to the west All-star.

HanCheng  
|> 
|>       *	i think i left out a lot of other players, please add accordingly.
|> 
|>       * no magic johnson this time, right?  /tt300zx
|> 
|>         p.s. by the way, did michael jordan and isiah thomas missed
|> 	     their shots ON PURPOSE against magic johnson in the
|> 	     all-star game last year? 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absol
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:22:23 GMT

From article <1ia9v9INNbor@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, by bih@mowgli.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware):
> Harry Koehnemann writes:
>>I find it really amusing how people don't understand basketball.  
>>There are dozens of guys that could look great next to Jordan.  
>>Paxon just happens to be that lucky guy.  Whoever guards Paxon will almost 
>>every time down the court pay as much attention to Jordan as they will Paxon.

Last time this came up I posted a comparison of Paxsons stats with the Bulls
(w Jordan) and I think it was San Antonio (wo Jordan).  They are the same.
Paxsons stats are not inflated because of playing next to Jordan.

[...]
> 
> Also Paxson must be able to do something else or else
> the Bulls would still be playing Craig Hodges, the 2(?)-time NBA 3-pt shootout
> winner. Hodges is about as pure an outside shot as you could get. Why didn't
> Hodges look so good playing next to Jordan? Go figure.

In my opinion, Paxson is definitely a better than average defender; certainly
better than BJ.  The Thomas's and Price's of the world do not do particularly
well against the Bulls.  That is the difference between Paxson and a Hodges.

SEH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: NBA ftp site???
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:18:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.073804.22497@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) writes:
>
>        does anyone no of what the ftp site address is for
>        up to date NBA stats?  If so could you assist me?
>
>        Thanks,
>        Kevin

be glad to advertise the NBASTATS[tm] Project Archive Location:

   via anonymous ftp to:

            ftp.wustl.edu

   they slapped on a 200 user limit which was recently cut back
   to 175 users max, so you may encounter a line waiting to get in.

then you change directory:

   cd /doc/misc/nbastats

there you will have a number of subdirectories to browse through.

                        HOWEVER!!!!

the templates deposited are not all that up to date.  the facts
directory is probably more up to date.

- nate
From: davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rich King (was Re: Doug Christie)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:24:38 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

In article <1993Jan8.235004.15061@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.231913.3954@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>
>>As for the big guy, we do have Rich King hopefully soon.
>>Supposedly , he is going to be a great big man for the sonics once he is
>>able to play again. and considering that Pierce and Eddie are getting up
>
>     Did anybody up in Seattle actually see Rich King play in preseason?
>Watching him play limited minutes in the limited games I saw last year,
>I was not impressed with him at all.  But he apparently had a great
>preseason until he got injured.  Any opinions on whether he indeed is
>NBA material or not?  In particular, can he be better than Cage and
>Benjamin, who both have some major weaknesses, but some major strengths
>too?
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  |__	       o
>  | W			   Mike Tamada
>		  |\	   Institutional Research Office
>		   \O	   Occidental College
>		    |      tamada@oxy.edu
>		   /|
>		  | |
>


	Yes, I believe he has NBA potential, for one. He wasn't much last
year, but as someone else pointed out, Rich King was drafted with the 
full expectation he might take three years to be ready. In particular, he
needed a great deal of weight-training work to build himself up. He played
very well in pre-season, and Karl in radio interviews was very excited about
King and really wanted to see him this season. He can be a excellent backup
for sure, and could be a starting center, but that is really too far to 
project. His special qualities, if they manifest themselves, are his excellent
running ability. He can really run up and down the floor well, certainly
better than Benjamin, probably better than Cage too. The other ability is his
passing from the high post - he would give Seattle a different look in that
he could play around the top of the key where Benjamin has to operate near
the paint. He has a lot of offensive moves and shots, and what sets him apart
from Cage is he can block shots.

	If he sounds like a All-Star from this, please note this is from a
potential standpoint - he shows the shots in college and in practice, and in
pres-season this year, along with the rest, but until he does it in games
it's all just potential. But as far as getting a feel for the type of player
he is, that's what the description above is for. If Rich King had been 
healthy and had showed in regular season what he showed in pre-seaon, I'd give
Benjamin trade rumors a lot more credibility.




				David L. Yee
			email to:davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Doug Christie
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:43:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan7.004318.18601
Organization: Western Washington University

cb338@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Woo-Ming) writes:


>Does anyone know what has happened to the former Pepperdine star?  Has
>the Sonics given up trying to sign him?

Yes, basically they have. Christie said he was going back to school this
semester and re-entering the draft. I still haven't figured out why the
Sonics don't trade him, or why they drafted him in the first place, when
they need another big-man so badly. Expect to see Christie in the 93 draft,
and expect to see him go as a higher pick in this year's crop. 

-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu



>Mike
>-- 
>*** Mike Woo-Ming, MPH            cb338@cleveland.freenet.edu   ***
> *** WSU School of Medicine          usr9742a@tso.uc.edu       ***
>  *** UCSD, U of M alumni       mwooming@heartland.bradley.edu***
>   *******> "I was STUDYING!! I'm just checking my mail" <******
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Scott Williams - reprise
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:13:04 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	I wrote last week asking if anybody knew about Scott Williams' injury.  I've yet to read anything about it.
	I have, however, read a good deal in this news.group about the Bulls.
	After watching the Bulls struggle their last two games, it is obvious
that they seriously miss Williams.  The Bulls' offense is not consistent, but
their problem is on defense.  Previously, they were always in the game because
of their defense, and with Williams out of the lineup, they are in trouble 
unless they have a good shooting night. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (da Bills)
Subject: Re: strange SNL reference
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:49:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.214110.10549@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.org (Bucky Ransdell)
writes:
>Maybe someone can explain a reference from Saturday's Saturday Night
>Live program to me.  They did a couple of parodies of Amy Fisher
>movies as different networks might do them.  As part of the BET
>(Black Entertainment Television) spoof they said something like the
>movie was going to be on following "Bob McAdoo's Dance Party".  This
>was accompanied by a TV show promo-style graphic featuring a photo
>of Bob McAdoo.  I don't get it.
>
>McAdoo hasn't played in the NBA, much less the New York area, for quite
>a while now.  I'd guess that the majority of SNL viewers don't know who
>he is from his basketball career, so I figure this gag must refer to
>something I don't know about.  Any ideas?
>

Maybe because he has a cool name?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: JJ (was Re: YATR (Yet Another Trade Rumor))
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:45:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.184818.12573@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

|> I don't know - is the #4 pick (4th, right?) in a draft worth 2 second rounders.
|> Hell yes he's worth it.  He's a great shooter and can play the point as well,
|> am I correct?
|> 
|> For Suns - loose Ceballos, replacable with Dumas.  Loose Knight - hasn't
|> looked good this year and I don't think the Suns are using him correctly.
|> Maybe he'd be better on a different team.  Frank Johnson has looked better
|> and if JJ can play some time at point - look out. KJ, Majerle, JJ, Ainge
|> guard rotation - I like it.  Mustaf is young, but not panning out to be
|> what the SUns expected, he's also expendable.  Plus a little extremely
|> talented youth never hurt any franchise.
|> 
|> For MAvs - they get something for basically nothing.  Ceballos is a real talent.
|> He leads the leage in FG%, correct?  Knight has looked great in the past,
|> hasn't this year for some reason.  He has the talent, maybe Dallas could
|> expliot him better than the Suns have this season.  They also have looked at
|> Mustaf in the past.  The guy came out 2 years early and has the physical
|> attributes; he could pan into something.
|> 
|> ON JJ:
|> OK, so the guy reenters the draft.  What happens when he's drafted ~#10 this
|> time.  He surely won't be as popular as #4 since he hasn't played in a year
|> (out fo sight, out of mind) and held out against Dallas - he's a risk.  So
|> what Dallas was offering at #4 might end up being much less than anything
|> someone would want to pay at #10ish.  what happens with that stalemate?
|> JJ want's what he thinks he's worth (#4).  He's screwed.
|> --
|> Harry Koehnemann
|> enuxha.eas.asu.edu

A pretty good assessment of the pluses and minuses to both teams.  Anytime
you can get a 4th overall pick for 3 lowly drafted guys, you would
have to think it's a steal.

However, I disagree that JJ would drop as low as #10.  In the weak draft
of next summer, I doubt that JJ would be out of the top five.  Of course,
his position will depend a lot on which underclassmen come out.  If
guys like Mashburn or Webber don't come out, JJ could possibly be the
#1 guy (except of course if Dallas gets that pick :-) ).

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm)
Subject: What happened to Willie Burton?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:39:23 GMT

The subject line pretty much says it all.  His playing time has been steadily
shrinking this year.  Is he fighting depression again, or fallen out
of favor with the Heat management?  Are they trying to trade him?  

Steve


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