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From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: CPU vs. Char based terminals. (was Re: NT Under SCO Unix)
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 02:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.160153.8954@terminator.cc.umich.edu> sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
>I tried to persuade the administrative types that by getting $500
>terminals they could do their Lotus and Wordperfect on our machine (we
>had plenty of capacity).  For about $600 they could get 25mhz 286
>machines for their desks instead.  I was not successful in my sales
>effort.
>
>
>Prices have reached the point where the per desktop (or whatever)
>advantage of character terminals is sp marginal that it's not worth
>giving up the things they can't do, except in _very_ special cases.
>

You would be VERY hard pressed to put together anything more than a TEXT
based 286 CPU for any $600, and then what is the point?  So you can wait
2 minutes for the darn thing to boot before you can use it?  So you can
spend even more on the 10 base T or whatever.

I LIKE my character based stuff.  It's FAST and getting something done
on it is FAST too.  You don't need a GUI to update a customer master
file record (I spell database).  Most of the people on the system have
never even SEEN a computer before they came to work for us and they are
never going to need to do any graphical work.  So what exactly is it
that these people are "giving up" with a text based terminal?

Oh,  And if you are paying $500 for a text based terminal and $600 for a
CPU, 4MB RAM, floppy, hard disk, Network adaptor, Monitor, Keyboard. Then
your Terminal price sucks and your CPU is tight.  On the other hand if
you are CHARGING $500 for the terminal (installed with ends and tested
on the desk) that sounds about right.  I cannot see how you could
possibly afford to drop a CPU, etc on someone's desk with DOS and
applications installed for $600 and make any money.

The network I just put in dropped 386SX boxes with Generic VGA no
floppies or hard disks but network adaptors with boot proms.  I hit them
for $1100 a pop.  A '286 woulda only cut my cost about $60 on the
motherboard.  All the rest would have been the same.

If you can *CHARGE* $600 for a complete 286 MONO setup, please tell me
who your distributor is.  My three must be ripping me off.
-- 
Keith Smith          uunet!ksmith!keith            5719 Archer Rd.
Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.unix.questions
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:23:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.211319.7038@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.105713.2017@kithrup.COM>, sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
> |> And right now, from what I know of NT, *nix is a subset, not a superset.

> Hang on there, Hoss.  I've seen NT, and Unix is definitely _not_ a subset of
> that underpowered, incomplete, single-user system.

In terms of overall environment, no.

In terms of a feature-list in the API, possibly. NT appears to provide
calls to do things that are not possible in generic UNIX. There is some
question as to whether an operating system should support these things
in the API (for example, callbacks from the window server prevent you
from running the window system over a network, user level interrupt handling
is inherently non-portable, and so on), but they're there.

Because the facilities provided by UNIX are more abstract, getting UNIX
to run under NT should be a lot easier. Of course, the resulting system
would effectively *be* UNIX.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                               `-_-'
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                                    'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012
+1 713 274 5180                                   Har du kramat din varg idag?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix
From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: Re: NeXTPC
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:16:15 GMT

Why does color require 4mb and a graphics accelerator?


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.unix.questions
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: Re: Multiple Users for Windows/NT
X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Reply-To: Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
	<BvDCrv.D2o@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>
	<1992Sep30.145739.7841@microsoft.com>
	<1992Oct1.144728.1634@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:23:45 GMT


Alistair Banks writes:

|> Both the microkernel and the Win32 subsystem know how to handle multile
|> users. The piece that won't is the server that managers the screen, being
|> a part of the Win32 subsystem. So you can have multiple background
|> tasks with different security IDs, but only one security ID for
|> interactive processes -- Alistair

Christoph H. Hochstaetter says:

Christoph> I am still having problems to understand that. What's the
Christoph> difference between background processes and interactive
Christoph> processes? As far as I understand you, I can write a job that
Christoph> e.g. multiplies millions of integer numbers for a couple of
Christoph> days. I can log off and the job still keeps running and no
Christoph> one else can do anything with e.g. kill the job.  But if I am
Christoph> doing the same with a 32-bit Excel, I can not logoff without
Christoph> quitting Excel?

I think what Alistair is getting at is that users on other machines on
the LAN could be running processes on your machine using RPC (remote
procedure calling).  These are the "background" processes, because
they're nothing to do with you.  Their security IDs would identify their
users.  The "interactive" processes are the ones supporting your login
session.

I suppose that if you RPCed a process on another machine, that process
would be "interactive" as far as you were concerned, but "background" to
the user sitting at that machine.

Christoph> Ok, Windows/NT is not UNIX, but where is the difficulty just
Christoph> giving each process-id a userid, regardless, if it is
Christoph> interactive or not.  And what is the criteria for job/process
Christoph> being interactive or not?

See above.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.unix.questions
From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Organization: Texaco
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.105713.2017@kithrup.COM>, sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.081443.21439@wacher.oz.au> pjw@wacher.oz.au (Peter Williams) writes:
|> >    Can anyone from SCO, Microsoft or anyone else in the know, tell me if 
|> >there is a SCO-MERGE type product in the pipeline for NT under SCO Unix. 
|> 
|> Although from neither SCO nor Microsoft, I can say that the answer is 'no.'
|> 
|> Running NT under *nix is, well, not impossible, but very difficult, since
|> the '386 (and later) do not virtualize, and NT, which requires protected
|> mode, is an OS in and of itself, and, therefore, could not live with *nix.
|> 
|> Running NT apps under *nix is more likely, but the answer to your *question*
|> is, as far as I know, "no, nobody is doing a [sic] SCO-MERGE type product"
|> to do that.  In the future, someone may; if NT requires dynamic linking
|> (which it may), then doing it is somewhat easier, *provided* that *nix
|> either starts out as a superset of NT, or can be made into a superset of NT.
|> And right now, from what I know of NT, *nix is a subset, not a superset.

Hang on there, Hoss.  I've seen NT, and Unix is definitely _not_ a subset of
that underpowered, incomplete, single-user system.  Windows NT reminds me
of a stripped down Unix with a wimpy GUI attached.  It is a vast improvement
over DOS or DOS/Windows 3.1, but NT does not even come close to providing 
the power of Unix.  I am sure that it will eventually get there, but not
for several more years.

However, a agree that it would be extremely difficult to get NT to run under
Unix or vice-versa.  But I think that it would be easier ( and wiser ) to
run NT under Unix.  NT is a single user OS, so if any user is logged on,
no one else can use the machine.  Unix does not have this restriction.
NT has a "hardware abstraction layer" which provides indirect and hardware
independent access to the guts of the machine.  It may be possible for Unix
to provide the hardware abstraction layer for an NT kernel, thereby
encapsulating all of NT within Unix.  To do it the other way around would
be much more difficult, IMHO. 8^)

-- 
Larry D. Pyeatt                 The views expressed here are not
Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com    those of my employer or of anyone
Voice    : (713) 975-4056       that I know of with the possible
                                exception of myself.
From: bsb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Brett Baumberger)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:16:11 GMT
Subject: Re: DOS I/O program under UNIX
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix

Hi,

My experience supporting dos emulation products has shown me that dos I/O
is very tough to emulate correctly.  I HAVE successfully connected modems
to the serial port on my unix boxes and run Procomm or Windows terminal
on them.  I have also helped customers configure the serial port for non
modem related serial I/O.

Serial Communication through DOS emulators is shaky, but possible.  Don't
attempt baud rates over 9600.

Brett
*my opinions only... How could I speak for anyone else?*

Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix
From: stancad@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: DOS emulation under Unix. Help
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:31:19 GMT

I'M currently working under Unix (BDS I think) and I'd like to also run some MS
Dos software on it. Is that possible? Any input is valuable. Thanx in advance

Dan Stanca

Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.unix.questions
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 02:58:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.051537.19390@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
>Windows 32 says:
>Since nobody in their right mind wants computer access without
>a full GUI interface, and they are so bloody cheap anyway, the 
>main system only supports one person on the keyboard.  

I knew it all along.  I'm f*cking nuts. (Not in my right mind).  I kinda
like the SPEED and simplicity of the text based interface.  In fact even
though I can use X or even windows at work I don't.  I just don't ever
SEE any business apps running 90% graphics.  Hey,  Don't get me wrong. 
If you are doing CAD or Desktop Publishing you NEED those capabilities. 
But the average user on my Systems can't even follow the concept of an
SCO multiscreen.  Full use of windows would just blow them away, like as
in forget it.

There's a helluva lotta windows out there being used as a fancy menu
system in most cases.  It's a simple function of time.  It takes a *LOT*
less time to program a text based app than a graphical one.  The latter
plain and simple has a lot more inherent detail.  The boss generally is
more interested in the bottom line (how much money, and people
scheduling and management) than how pretty it looks.
-- 
Keith Smith          uunet!ksmith!keith            5719 Archer Rd.
Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: popaul@harborcoat.cs.mcgill.ca (Paul TERRAY)
Subject: Re: Uncompress tar.Z files? 
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:23:42 GMT

I think you use a UNIX account to get those files?
Then use the unix tools to uncompress them:
compress -d file.tar.Z (or uncompress file.tar.Z)
tar xvf file.tar (beware! This produce usually a lots of files, just do it in a  
folder) tar is a utility to put files together. xvf are the options.

hope this help
Paul TERRAY
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From: dcosta@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Walter D'Costa)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: user-interface development kits. QUESTION.
Keywords: user-interface, C
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:06:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Looking for information on utilities/toolkits for user interface
development.  The utilities should help in developing screens
graphically, which can then be easily integrated with existing
C code.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanx in advance
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Subject: Automated mail > file cat & decoding ?
Reply-To: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:53:52 GMT

Automated mail > file cat & decoding ?

We need a shell script, program, gizmo that reads a mail spool file, recognizes a  
series of uuencoded images (which are not necessarily in the right order), extracts  
them, cats them in the right order, strips headers and decodes. 

Tall order?

We're running the Internet anonymous ftp site for the NOA/NESDIS wxsat waffle server  
being run by the System Support Group. Images are fed over as mail. They're not  
always in the right order and other type of mail will be interspersed. It would of  
course, also be useful to have other, plain mail automatically saved too. Ideally,  
we're looking for a mail reading agent with an IQ high enough to see the difference  
between text and uuencoded binary and to know what to do with it. Ie. read, sort,  
convert and sluice it to the right directory of anonymous ftp account.

If anyone has any tips, scripts or code that they think might help, we'd be  
etarnally grateful.


Kjell Are Refsvik <kjellr@dhhalden.no>
&
Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@dhhalden.no>
From: ajayshah@cis.rand.org
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Interesting issue of a magazine
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:13:52 GMT
Reply-To: ajayshah@cis.rand.org
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA


One data point on the magazine debate.

I found the Sept. 21st issue of Unix Today (I hate it's new name) to
be rather well done.  It has a interesting Unix Networking supplement
too.

This is for people interested in products and purchasing decisions.
It is not at all the hackers rag.

Just MHO.

        -ans.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: Writing out a section of a file to another file with vi  ???
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:05:27 GMT

In article <Bv5pt9.DDF@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
|> What's the easiest way to write out a "block" of lines to another file, 
|> without having to count the lines, or find the first line number and the
|> last?   What I'd really like to do is dump a named buffer to disk:
|> 
|> mx
|> y'x
|> write x to disk 

I don't believe that what you want is possible, however you can write a
marked range to disk:

:'a,.w filename

or even

:'a,'bw filename

To write a named buffer (not the unnamed buffer, as in your example):

mx
???G
"xy'x
:e filename
dG
"xp
1Gdd
:w
:e #

Of course the dG is only required if the file already exists.

-- 

Michael Salmon

#include	<standard.disclaimer>
#include	<witty.saying>
#include	<fancy.pseudo.graphics>

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Stockholm
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: artman@vpnet.chi.il.us (Wilfred A Artman)
Subject: UNIX Learn Program
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 02:13:38 GMT

I am looking for a public domain program to aid in training new users
similar to BSD 'learn' or AT&T's computer aided training modules. We have
a wide area to cover in remote sites and feel that, along with on the job
training, some form of computer aided software would be beneficial.

TIF!

Wil Artman

Systems Administrator, Millward Brown, Inc.,
Naperville, IL


Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: puchm@cs.curtin.edu.au (Silver Shadow)
Subject: lpfx error
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:29:52 GMT

Hi,
    Does anybody know what the following error means.
    Possibly how to fix my code so it doesn't happen ?

    lpfx: PANIC! nargs=54

    I get this by running some code though 'cflow'.  I have
    looked at the code to determine what causes it but I cannot find
    a common factor such a large files/too many of this or that...

    Any help apreciated (please e-mail me),

    Silver Shadow.
--
Silver Shadow == puchm@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au          | Some of us are poets,
Masters Student at Curtin University of Technology, WA.|  some of us are not!
-------------------------------------------------------+------------------------
I know nothing, so can hold no opinions for myself or others...
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Zen...
From: kumeda@beach.csulb.edu (ANDY KUMEDA)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:51:48 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Since my follow-up, I've gotten a lot of e-mail about what I said
about Zen and the Art of the Internet.  So to clear things up, the
book is not the same as what is available on the net.  It has been
greatly updated, and if it is as good as the original, it's worth
every penny.  I apologize for any confusion I caused. 

Andy Kumeda
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: s4uhkm@fnma.COM (Howie Michalski)
Subject: Re: Uncompress tar.Z files? 
Reply-To: s4uhkm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:10:43 GMT

I have seen compress/uncompress for DOS but I do not know if the acutally
work on .Z files that were created on a unix box.  You can pick them up
off of my BBS (410.247.3797 [14.4K V32bis]) -- there are a couple of files
in the UNIX FILE AREA (PCUNIX1.zip PCUNIX2.zip).  The compress util is in
1 and uncompress in 2 *alphbetical* :-)

Cheers,
Howie
From: alex@am.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Writing out a section of a file to another file with vi ???
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:14:35 GMT
Organization: Premiata Famiglia Martelli & Figli

mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:

:>What's the easiest way to write out a "block" of lines to another file, 
:>without having to count the lines, or find the first line number and the
:>last?   What I'd really like to do is dump a named buffer to disk:

:>mx
:>y'x
:>write x to disk 

Once you have yanked to the *named* buffer, :e the file you want
to write it into, and just put it.  NAMED buffers are remembered
by vi; it's only the UNNAMED one which is lost when switching files.
You will have to :w the current file before :e to the new one if
there were any changes (unless you :set autowrite, or are willing
to lose the changes).

Alternatively, if you want to write to disk file pip from the
current line to mark x, just :.,'x w pip...

I suggest that any followup be to comp.editors, as a more appropriate
newsgroup than comp.unix.anything would be.
-- 
Alex Martelli - alex@am.sublink.org - +39 (51) 250434 - Bologna, Italia
From: johnny@futon.SFSU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Looking for a finger program.
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:49:15 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

I have been looking forward for a C program run in  vax  (ultrix)
which  can detect whoever fingers me. However, the version I have
is not working well, or not for my system. I would like to ask if
anybody can share yours with me. Thank you very much.

Johnny.
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: VMS to Unix transfer requests
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:35:49 EDT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <90387@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> I asked about transfering directories from VMS to UNIX, and the most
> common answer was "tar".  I find it hard to believe that I can use a
> standard tar for either machine--I need something that will pack on
> VMS and unpack on UNIX.  Of course we're going to lose some information.
> (The only one that would be annoying would be VAX floating point.  I'll
> write my own VAX-FP=>ASCII=>SGI-FP programs if needed, but it would be
> nice if some kind of bilingual tar package indeed existed.)
> 
> Anyway, *where* can I get the relevant VMS tars?  Or a UNIX program
> that can read VMS savesets?  Thanks again.
> -- 
> -Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

The tar packages are available from any of a number of archive sites.  See the
InfoVAX: How to find software... FAQ for pointers to these sites.  If you
didn't keep a copy of the FAQ, the latest published copy can always be
retrieved by sending a message containing:

SEND INFO-VAX

to fileserv@dmc.com

There IS a vms backup save set reader for U*x, but I can't for the life of me
remember where it is or what its called.
-- 
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Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
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From:  (Game Player)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Unix Games?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:07:45 GMT



Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: jdell@benazir.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe)
Subject: Re: vi question: deleting characters in file
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:47:36 GMT

On 2 Oct 92 10:27:59 GMT, bogstad@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Mark BOGSTAD) said:

> Dear vi gurus

> I have large data files in which data are stored in columns.
> I want to get rid of say the first 80 characters and keep the last ones.
> This can be done the follwing way but isn't very elegant:
> :%s/^......//g
> The problem is that one has to type 80 (eighty!) dots to get rid of 
> 80 characters.
> :%80x or any variant does't seem to work 

> Is there a more straight forward way to do this operation?

> Thanks
> Mark
> email: bogstad@dme.epfl.ch

I would think that awk would be a better way to do this:

awk '{print substr($0,81,length($0))}' < file > outputfile

and it just copies only columns 81 to length of the line to the output file.

John

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: kkaempf@infoac.rmi.de (Klaus K{mpf )
Subject: Re: VMS to Unix transfer requests
Organization: RMI Net INFO.box Systems - Aachen - Hamburg - Wien
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:04:33 GMT

Hi !

I would recommend:

- Zoo 2.1 (can pack/unpack full directory tries on both systems)
- Arc (check with vmsnet.sources, it was posted there a few weeks ago)
- Kermit (:-))

There are also several implementations of 'tar', almost every VMS ftp-site
has a copy of that. You might also check archie for the tools mentioned.


Klaus