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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: The racist Mr. Mourad (was Re: Bottom Line: Arabs Are Incompetent (was Re: Are Arabs incompetent))
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 15:28:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.020719.13369@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
>elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
>>In article <AYMAN.92Apr3102627@sol.berkeley.edu> ayman@sol.berkeley.edu (Ayman Fawaz) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr3.132541.10755@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
>>What can I say, the Arabs pushed me into becoming a self-hating Arab. :-)
>
>>But I am not an Arab. I have middle-eastern roots, heritage 
>>and values and I am proud of them, and Lebanon is the country 
>>where I was born. And like Basil Hamdan said, Arabs are indeed incompetent.
>
>If you were to understand half of what Basil said, you probably would
>have been regarded as a respectful person by now Elie!
>
>[...]
>
>>Regards man,
>>Elie.
>
You people who claim that you are not Arabs make me puke. If you are not
Arabs then don't speak Arabic. Speak French!!!

Nabil Idriss


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid to Israel????
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:26:23 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


In article <1992Apr9.021133.6549@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun) writes:
> In article <204359@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
> abas@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jasem Alhumoud) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >           Discovering the Victims of the U.S. Aid to Israel
> >
> >                  " By Eleni Katsoulakis"
> >
> >
> >When I was a little girl with a serious illness, my mother made a pledge> [......]
> >  "Eleni Katsoulakis, a journalist in her native Greece, is a free-lance
> >   writer presently living in New Jersey."
> >
> >
> >    Jasem (Dr. J.)
> >
> 
> Special thanks to Dr. Jasem for posting the article above. Awareness is what
> we need in this question that is affecting most of us.
> The Israeli practices, starting from beating Palestinian boys, to
> diverting the waters of the Lebanese Litani river towards the Israeli territory,
> to discrediting the objections and complaints of arab people, to assassinating
> religeous and political leaders, to damaging the image of arabs by labeling
> most of them as terrorists, nondemocratic and crime lovers, all these practices
> should not go unnoticed.
> 
> Let us take every opportunity to point out the wrong and ugly.
> 
> At the same time, let us raise the level of this struggle to a civilised and
> human one, by taking a look at our own systems, our own attitudes and
> try to rectify the numerous injustices in them, without letting this
> question consume a lot of our efforts to catch up with the rest of the
> world.
> 
> -- 
> George Hassoun
> University of Adelaide, EEE Dpt.
> Adelaide, South Australia
> email: ghassoun@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au      Phone:(08) 228 5468

George,
	I join you in thanking Dr J. (Jasem :-)) for sharing this
article with us.  Someone posted it near the elevator door in
our department and it angered some people to the point of ripping
it to pieces.  At least the message is going out.

	Also, I like to comment on the power and wisdom of the words
you have posted above.  I hope we as Lebanese we can start by looking
at our own system as you say.  I think you are absolutely right on that.

Regards,
Hani
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From: ayman@sol.berkeley.edu (Ayman Fawaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Georges Brassens on Chauvinism [FRENCH]
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:02:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: sol.AYMAN.92Apr13150247
Organization: /home/eclair0/u/varaiya/ayman/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.berkeley.edu


The following two verses taken from a song by Georges Brassens, a
French poet/singer, are dedicated to the "proud nationalists" in our
midst, specially those who are ecstatic to have at least 10 good
reasons to be proud of their country and harbor nothing but disdain
(also backed with 10 reasons) to their neighbors.


     La ballade des gens qui sont nes quelque part


C'est vrai qu'ils sont plaisants tous ces petits villages
Tous ces bourgs ces hameaux ces lieux-dits ces cites
Avec leurs chateaux forts de leurs eglises leurs plages
Ils n'ont qu'un seul point faible et c'est d'etre habites
Et c'est d'etre habites par des gens qui regardent
Le reste avec mepris du haut de leurs remparts
La race des chauvins des porteurs de cocardes
Les imbeciles heureux qui sont nes quelque part
Les imbeciles heureux qui sont nes quelque part

Maudits soient ces enfants de leur mere patrie
Empales une fois pour toutes sur leurs clocher
Qui vous montrent leur tours leurs musees leur mairie
Vous font voir du pays natal jusqu'a loucher
Qu'ils sortent de Paris ou de Rome ou de Sete
Ou du diable vauvert ou bien de Zanzibar
Ou meme de Montcuq ils s'en flattent mazette
Les imbeciles heureux qui sont nes quelque part
Les imbeciles heureux qui sont nes quelque part
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP ON LEBANON RECENT HISTORY
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:51:16 GMT

> Question 2,
> Did Pier Algemayyel vow revenge on TV accusing Israel of killing Bashir?
> 
John, please get a clue......Bashir was gonna sign a peace treaty with  
Israel. They'd have no interest in seeing him dead. His "brothers" in  
Syria and in the Palestinian camps, on the other hand, had lotsa reasons  
to want Bashir six feet under. 
Of course Pierre vowed vengeance against those responsible for the murder  
of Bashir. And the Phalange carried it out, too.
Or are we supposed to believe you've forgotten Sabra and Shatila?




shalom'

lev

"Lo yisa goy el goy cherev, lo yilmedu od milchama.......but until then,  
keep the Galil oiled and loaded.........................'
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Syria & Iran: Troublemakers
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:14:21 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Concerning the German hostages:

SYRIA:
------
1. Meanwhile, Syria would not be willing to act alone to force the captors to
free the hostages if this would jeopardize its strategic alliance with Iran. 

2. Damascus has a set of demands it would like Europe to meet
before it makes any goodwill gesture on the hostages. For example, it would 
like the European parliament to retract its declaration condemning Damascus for
violating human rights. 

3. Syria would also like to see the protocol for economic cooperation between it
and the European Community reactivated. Such a measure would encourage Syria to
make an overture on the hostages, the diplomat said. 
(I guess the Lebanese golden goose is dead)

IRAN:
-----
For Iran's record, read the Leb-Net report.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: sion@sioux.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun)
Subject: Re: I am a phoenician! (was:Re: Arab identity)
Organization: Free Lebanon
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:27:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.155546.13708@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>

> The Americans are a mixture of many cultures and yet they are proud 
>to be Americans. However, an American can defect to Russia and deny his American
>citizenship and nobody will criticize him.
>

You are comparing America and Arabia. America (I assume you are talking about
the US) is a well defined nation, with a constitution and well defined borders.
Now what is Arabia? For most people Arabia is made of the Gulf states.
For others, it is a united nation of the the Arab peoples whatever that means.


Boudi



Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: A better joke : )))
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<1992Apr14.192908.28957@cs.mcgill.ca>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.192908.28957@cs.mcgill.ca> dina@cs.mcgill.ca (Dina KAYYAL) writes:
Path: watmath!watserv1!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!homer.cs.mcgill.ca!dina
   From: dina@cs.mcgill.ca (Dina KAYYAL)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
   Subject: Re: A better joke : )))
   Message-ID: <1992Apr14.192908.28957@cs.mcgill.ca>
   Date: 14 Apr 92 19:29:08 GMT
   References: <1992Apr14.075027.4868@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
   Sender: news@cs.mcgill.ca (Netnews Administrator)
   Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
   Lines: 20

   In article <1992Apr14.075027.4868@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani) writes:
   >
   >    Two Jews are sitting in the window and middle seats on a plane.
   >The Jews ask the Arab sitting in the aisle seat to get them a glass of
   >orange juice so they won't have to crawl over him.  While he is up getting
   >the drinks, they spit in his shoes.  When they are about to land the
   >Arab guy puts on his shoes and realizes what has happened.  He complains
   >to the Jews, "When will it all end?  The hatred... the violence... the
   >killing... the spitting in shoes... the peeing in orange juice..."
   >
   >-- 
   >H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
   >Dept. of Computer Engineering
   >Crawford Hall 215C
   >Case Western Reserve U

   Orange juice???
   thought it was Apple juice!!! :))

   Dina..


Well, you know Dina, I am really offended by your joke !

I am color blind

naji.

heh heh ...
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Aoun and Elections
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:28:12 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO's via Leb-Net archives:
---------------------------------

Dr. Albert Mukhaeber defended the right of General Michel Aoun to run fot the
elections if he choosses to do so. This comes as a reply to Elias Hrawi who
was quoted in the newspapers on Saturday as saying that all Lebanese have the
right to run in the elections except Michel Aoun.

Dr. Mukhaeber quoted the Lebanese constitution to back-up his argument.
He concluded that preventing General Aoun from participating in the elections
goes beyond him as a person, and is a direct attack agaist all basic freedoms
in the country. Elections belong to the people, not individuals.
And whenever a person, in this case General Aoun himself, is prevented from
declaring his candidacy, it is considered as a direct punishment of the
Lebanese people who are the source of every authority.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.turkey
Subject: Is Syria Next ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:26:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO's via Leb-Net archives:
---------------------------------

Washington's recent practice of describing the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK)
as a terrorist organization means Syria risks finding itself in the same
predicament as Libya if it does not head Turkish demands for a crackdown on
PKK activities in territory under its control.

Columnist Cengis Candar wrote in the Turkish daily Sabah that the threat of a
Turkish attack against Syria or the Bekaa has already prompted Damascus to
"put a little pressure" on the PKK. He said that Syrian intelligence agents
began placing PKK camps in the Bekaa valley under strict surevillance around
tree weeks ago.

"Syria is becoming embarrassed by the situation. The possibility of an attack
againt the Bekaa is not something to be taken lightly."

In this sense, the visit of Turkish Interior Minister Ismet Sezgin is no
routine diplomatic exchange. "It is a warning to Syria" that with the US now
firmly on Turkey's side on the PKK issue, the question has been
"internationalized" and it has no option but to curb the guerillas.

The threat to attack the Bekaa was also conveyed directly last Friday by
Turkish embassador Aydan Karahan to the Syrian-imposed Foreign Minister
Fares Boueiz.

The threat of military action against the Bekaa was also backed by an unnamed
senior officer who told the daily Cumhuriyet that "all the intelligence we
need has been gathered. All the plans have been made. If the governement
gives us the order, we will carry it out."

Moreover, Lebanese columnist George Semaan wrote in yesterday's al-Hayat
that Syria should heed Turkey's warning and put an end to PKK presence in
Lebanon.

Semaan suspects that the United States is encouraging Turkey to increase its
anti-Syrian rhetoric as part of its efforts to "tame" Syria and force more
concessions out of it in the peace talks.
From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Pleasure Marriages
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:10:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering & Science/CWRU

The article Mr. Karam has posted was initially posted on Lebnet and
the topic was beaten to death there.  The problem I had with it along
with most people was that it is uncalled for to post except to degrade
a major sect in Lebanon and that is not Ok.  There was no discussion
about this topic for Mr. Karam to generously post it for the rest of
us.  In addition, the article has a couple of cheap shots against
Sunni-Shiite relations and Islam in general. 

No wonder Lebanon is so messed up after all.
-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: I am a phoenician! (was:Re: Arab identity)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:48:11 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr14.200206.12751@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
> The whole point of
> using the term African-American I thought was to avoid the color issue
> which is very important.  

What I was pointing out was that the meaning of the word "African-American"
is used differently in different situations. On a job application it is
used for affirmative action for those of the black race (there are other
catagories for other races), and thus a person of white race really should
not in good conscience check the box, but rather the box for "White" instead. 
In other situations, the term "African-American" for this person would 
be quite appropriate. 

Your response was interesting- thank you.  

-Mary Howard
Xref: sparky soc.culture.lebanon:2119 soc.culture.arabic:1822
From: oueichek@imag.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bottom Line: Arabs Are Incompetent (was Re: Are Arabs incompetent)
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:05:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.lebanon

(Note, i've crossposted this article to s.c.a, ALL Arabs have to read the gems
written by Mr Mourad).
elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
: In article <1992Apr01.224414.48291@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> bh437292@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:
: >In article <1992Apr1.162410.21644@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
: 
: ....
: >Finally, I would like to comment on your title, "are Arabs incompetent",
: >the answer is obviously yes since we agree that our state of affairs
: >is to say the least sad, in the Arab countries, ....
: >
: >
: >Basil
: 
: I like to keep things simple and brief. There are no signs that Arabs will
: become competent in my life time or the next. 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Unbelievable, what a gem, what a wonderful statement, maybe the net.Arabs have
to thank Mr Mourad for his deep thoughts about OUR future (and not HIS, because
he is NOT an Arab).

: As to my attack against Arabs, take it as a sign of disapproval.
: Since according to you and me Arabs are incompetent, I CHOSE to distance myself 
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: from Arabs. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^
: Thanks Basil.
: 
: Regards, Elie
   
    Oh yeah, because hadratukum are not Arab, you are Lebanese, but not Arab.
You speak "Lebanese" not Arabic, what a shame to hear someone who claims
publically that he wants to "distance himself" from his own people. 
    
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: sylvie@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Sylvie Feghali Ext. 6525)
Subject: Arab identity 
Originator: sylvie@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:15:36 GMT

    With all due respect to everyone's ideas and beliefs; specifically 
                    Khaled S. Soufi
                    Elie I. Mourad
                    Ayman Fawaz
                    Nabil Idriss                        
                    Basil Hamdan
    and everyone else who has been participating to this latest "Arab identity"
    discussion, I think we should all stop being so defensive and refrain
    from asking each other to "fly kites" or express our disgust so
    descriptively as wanting "to puke" or calling others "incompetent" when
    our country has been in war for 15 years and we were unable to
    stop it ...
    These discussions have turned into a verbal war.  
    I think the controversy is caused by mis-communication.
    I think you guys  need to establish a frame of reference to insure we
    are all talking about the same thing when we refer to a certain term.
    Specifically the term "Arab"

       What is the definition of "an Arab" in the context of your discussions?
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    In other words, am I an arab because :

      1) Arabic is the official language in my country? 
      2) My country belongs to the Arab league?
      3) I may be muslim?
      4) There is a desert in my country?
      5) My ancestors were nomades who lived in tribes ?
      6) My heritage is arabic ?
      7) My ancestors were exposed to and participated in the
         development of the arabic culture ?
      8) My country is located in the middle east or northern Africa?
      9) Other reasons ... ?

    Please define this term so we can turn this thread into an
    enjoyable and respectful exchange 

                                                    Sylvie



    


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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Kan anyone gime a translation of the following?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:08:34 GMT
Organization: UiO

Malti, O Malti, int biss ilsieni
L-ilsna l-ohra barranin
Int taghzilna mill-gnus l-ohra
Bik tingharaf il-Maltin.

pronunciation rules:

gh = cayn (eye) (usually with a dash in the h)
g = j (ususally with a dot above the g)
z = z (usually with a dot above z)
h = h (as in hmar) (usually with a dash in h)

can anyone translate this passage?

(I can, but just for the fun of it can you people give it a try)



elie dib wardini

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u-ba-maqom she-'en anashim, hishtadel liheyoth 'ish
   and in a place where there are no men, strive to be a man
                               (Mishna, Pirqe Avoth)
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Loosing faith
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:36:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


BEIRUT (APRIL 13) MIDDLE EAST NEWS NETWORK - 
   The General Federation of Labour (GFL) has called a general strike for
Wednesday April 15 and Wednesday April 22, according to Radio Free Lebanon
today. GFL President Antoine Bishara says the federation "has lost faith in
government promises" to deal with the economic crisis.
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syria, Iraq, and the future of the MidEast
Keywords: Secert Deals?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:28:11 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <1992Apr2.083212.10607@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>[...]
>
>>Khaled and Elie
>
>>I think that religious attacks are outrageous. Talk politics and leave religion 
>>alone.
>
>Politics in Lebanon is stuffed with religion.  While this might come
>as a shock to some, it sadly is a fact.  So, Nabil, if you have any
>wise suggestion on how we (the people who write to s.c.l) could chat
>about, discuss, or debate Lebanese politics without the mention of
>religion, then by God, let us know what the deal is.  If you don't
>have any suggestion, then I suggest that you go fly a kite.

Well, one way for avoiding religion is to refer to group of people by
their Militia names like, "Kataib", "Ahrar", "PLO", Hizballah", etc...
By the way, I don't fly Kites, I fly real airplanes.
>
>By the way, in your universal premise above "religious attacks are
>outrageous", you unwittingly assumed that I have been making attacks
>myself on other people's religion.  This contradicts everything I have
>been trying to say!

I think I said "IF" religion was involved because I have not read any article
written by you, somebody told me that you attack religion.

>
>The focus Nabil is NOT on religion per se.  The focus is on the
>existence of religion in the makeup of power in Lebanon.  The way the
>system is right now, if you are born to a religion/sect that is
>decreed to have very little power, then you immediately are at a
>disadvantage--you will receive second or third class schooling, low
>standards of living, and be deprived of some vital necessities to the
>success of a human being.  Briefly, you will be treated as a second or

I thought that this was the case before 1975 when one group of people were
priviliged. I don't know how the situation is now. I assume that it has changed
after the War. Correct me if I am wrong. By the way the last time I went to lebanon 
was in 1988, have you been there after that?

Nabil 
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