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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Rifled barrels
Keywords: barrel
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:23:30 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <1992Sep23.125651.16452@sbctri.sbc.com> mas@sbctri.tri.sbc.com (Marc A. Sullivan) writes:
>Paintball Consumer Reports (newspaper) is going to conduct a head to head comparison of rifled barrels sometime later this year.  They test very carefully and this should resolve the controversy over what is the best barrel.

there was already a test on the armson barrel some time in june...



cu
-pete


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From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: paint use
Organization: Headland Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:09:52 GMT

in an article Albert Wong writes:
>Hee, if I had someone bankrolling the paint supply, I'd be a tad more
>"liberal" with the paint too. ^_^  2000-3000 rounds during practice, eh?
>So, your the one driving up the paintball prices. ^_^

    No No Albert.  He's helping to drive the prices down.  More volume
less per unit cost. ;).
       -Rich-

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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: --==>  OSU Paintball ??  <==--
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:50:20 GMT

Lots of action!! If you are an OSU student, there is the Buckeye Brigade (OSU 
Paintball club) I highly recommend it. It offers great values, and is just 
generally a good time. Meetings are every Thursday at 7:00 pm in room 245 
Larkins. I'll be happy to answer any questions (to the best of my ability) 
about local dealers and fields.

Aaron 'An automag is _HOW_ much??' Gillum

PS

I will most likely be starting a team within the next few months. Have you ever
played before?
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:08:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BvEH7v.C9K@medar.com> jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.193227.1741@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>>the f1 works fine with standard bottleds, but is more consisten if used
>>wiht a siphon, although it's a pain top get it below 300fps on siphon.
>>
>
>Uh, I'm pretty sure I read in the owners manual that you are
>absolutely, positively NOT supposed to use liquid on an F1.
>Do you, perhaps, mean "anti-siphon"?
>

Well, putting a siphon tank on the Illustrator will work.  It doesn't
explode or aynthing harmful.  The long term effects are unknown though.
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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: machine guns
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:52:31 GMT


>(on the otherhand I heard than marines train with Apez elite, hmm...enl..)
>-- 
>" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
>space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck
>
>HenryC@Panix.Com


  The marines train with real weapons. They use a special 'bullet'.
 Basically it's the same as a real bullet but instead of a slug, it's
 a paint pellet. I was talking with a gun dealer( he deals to the FBI,
 state & local police ) and we started talking about paintball when
 he pulled out a box of what I thought were .38's, except they had
 colored slugs. I asked why they were colored and he said they were
 paintbullets. They have a small gun powder charge to propell them
 --roughly-- 300 fps. He had them for 9mm, .357, .44, .50, .22, .25
 and just about any other handgun or rifle on the market. 
  He said the marines used to train with paintball guns, but now use 
 this new system. They're more accurate and have a longer range.
 And you definately don't want to get hit if at all possible.

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From: glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto)
Subject: simunition
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:56:45 GMT

I have heard about rounds in many calibers called simunition: it shoots a 
small paint-pellet at 300 fps from real guns.  Can someone email me the 
manufacturer's name, address, and phone #?

Thanks.






Joe

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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: --==>  OSU Paintball ??  <==--
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:28:07 GMT

Is there any activity in Columbus or central Ohio?  I am a complete newbie and would like to try this out some time.

Thanks,
JT
From: coburn@informix.com (David Coburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Looking for a field in AR/MO
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:06:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: coburn@puma

I'm on temporary assignment here in northwest Arkansas, and would
appreciate any pointers to fields either here or in southwest Missouri.
The only listing in the magazines list a field in northeast AR.

Thanks!
From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Spray & Pray
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:46:52 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

During my Long And Illustrious paintball career I've found that the
popularly called spray&pray type of play tends to develop more on
certain fields. The broader and larger the playing area, the less
you (that is I, of course) see continuous, dull and expensive spraying
action. The available cover also affects the play (more cover-less
spraying).
In Finland the spray&pray-type games only occur on small (or narrow)
playing fields where you can't outflank your opponents. And playing
'official' tournaments in 20 (or 15) min. bouts on (by time-default)
small fields only increase the importance of spray&pray style of play.
It takes time and space to outflank and outwit your opponents !!!
Personally I don't give a F### about S&P (spray&pray) games, since I
have no inner urge whatsoever to participate.
And although I myself still holds the Apex Elite as the best paintgun
made this far (at least until the Vector finally hits the market) I
have nothing against semi's. They add a new dimension to the game (i.e.
suppressive fire, which is not the same as S&P,by the way) and are
great for evening out the scales between newbies and older, more mature
and sophisticated players (that's me, folks). Also, you can actually 
fulfill your Rambo dreams (at least once in a while) by single-handedly
attacking and marking a whole bunch of opposition (I once managed to
mark out 6 opponents in about 20 seconds using a .68 Special and 
Boy, did it feel good!)

Lastly, paintball technology is here to serve the Game, not vice versa.

Lone Wolf, The Mighty Warrior, signing off ...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: aapo@niksula.hut.fi (A.J. Heijola)
Subject: Gimme info
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: 25 Sep 92 15:49:01

HI YOU ALL PAINTBALL-FANS

I've only plaid one game so far, but I got hooked right away.
Now I`d like to know a little bit more about how the games are
organized and what the tactics are like.

Also it would be helpful if somebody could give me information about
places, where I can get ammunition and weapons for an affordable
price, since they seem to be quite expensive here in Finland.
(Although I haven't got a clue what the price range is in the States
or other counties of Europe.)

It could be helpful to get a couple of mail-order addresses as well.

Answer either via these news or email directly to aapo@niksula.hut.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: stan@sabaac.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Andrew Staniszewski)
Subject: Re:paint use
Reply-To: staniszewski@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:33:11 GMT


>>> On an average day of practice I wll shoot 2000-3000 rounds with my
>>>Bud Orr pump gun, it has a hand built auto trigger but other than that
>>>it is essentially stock.  I don't know why other people use more, it may
>>>be due to the terrain in New Mexico, but I am not sure.  I know my paint
>>>consumption doubled when I had a sponsor picking up the tab.  At a
>>>tournament I will shoot over a thousand rounds in a single game and
>>>maybe get one elimination.  However the two crawlers that I am covering
>>>may get the crucial three eliminations that blow a side and win the
>>>game.  Something to think about.
>>>                               Alexander Rose of the IRONMEN
 
>>Golly, 3000 rounds at 5 cents apiece (my price) is $150 dollars? you must get
>>SOME volume discount...

>>Well, now I am certain I don't want to play in a tourney with the IRONMEN


>I can guarantee you that no-one is gettin rich but the distributer of a
>field that forces you to use inflated cost paint.
>The other comment about not wanting to play with us, just about every
>team that we have played has always gotten something out of the
>experience and at all have been real happy afterward, well not all, but
>you know how sports are, no-one likes to get smoked.  If there are any
>players out there who have ever plaed us please write in, I would like
>to know what you thought, place it anonymously if you want.  I would
>also like to hear some of the gossip that goes around fields from teams
>who have or haven't played us.  I would like to get a sense of the
>public opinion about our team and how we can get it or keep it a good
>one.

Apologies extended Alex, I was commenting on my inability/lack of desire to play
in a game where 3000 rounds get used. NOT as a derogitory comment on the IRONMEN
Besides, if your so damn good, what would playing you prove other than that we
could loose to you, right now I can still bragg and say I could kick your butts
any day of the week ;)

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                               Andrew Staniszewski
                              staniszewski@mayo.edu


     Are you really going backwards ...
           Or does it just look that way?
                                  MDE

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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: .68 Special winter play?
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:34:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Oct1.113414.14720
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Now that cold weather is approaching, I'd like to know what people with
.68 Specials do differently.  I've heard rumors of a "winter spring" for
this gun, but I've never seen one for sale.
[RICHR]
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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Questions for IRONMEN
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:13:33 GMT

I've heard good things about Bullseye paint, but it doesn't seem to be carried 
in many shops. Is this the choice of the shops, the distributors, or the 
company itself?

Also, what is the retail price per case?

Have you found any noticable differences in its performance matched against 
other paint?

Thanks
Aaron Gillum
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Machine Pistol?
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:26:26 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <3a!p9!n.albertw@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>Yes, this gun actually exists.  I believe it was called the Mac 85 or Mod
>85, something like that.  It's pretty much outlawed on most of the fields
>in the area.
>-- 
I thought the M85 went into disuse because of sheer impracticality.  The round
was .38 caliber with about 1/4 the volume of paint in a typical .68 ball and
the range was rather limited.  Priced at $.30 a round I believe.  I knew a
person who bought a M-85.  It costs him $300 not including the "reloadable"
ammo which ran pretty high.  The gun had no select mode.  You have a hard
choice of buying the semi or full auto model.  I don't remember seeing the gun
used much in paintball, costs too much to operate according to my friend.  
He, the friend, eventually threw it into his back closet.  He did bring it out
when he went to a frat costume party dressed as a Miami Vice drug dealer.
BTW, according to my friend the gun had no accuracy what-so-ever.  He read a 
review on it, and the company promised to come out with conical pointed
paint rounds to solve the accuracy problem.

-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Subject: Re: paint use
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:34:46 EDT

In article <selt=z_00iUz87IowN@andrew.cmu.edu> ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose) writes:
>
>
>
>
> On an average day of practice I wll shoot 2000-3000 rounds with my
>Bud Orr pump gun, it has a hand built auto trigger but other than that
>it is essentially stock.  I don't know why other people use more, it may
>be due to the terrain in New Mexico, but I am not sure.  I know my paint
>consumption doubled when I had a sponsor picking up the tab.  At a
>tournament I will shoot over a thousand rounds in a single game and
>maybe get one elimination.  However the two crawlers that I am covering
>may get the crucial three eliminations that blow a side and win the
>game.  Something to think about.
>                                Alexander Rose of the IRONMEN
> 

I thought you guys used Autocockers.....  Oh well...  A Sniper II with an
autotrigger is probably better anyways...

 - Andre
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:37:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.211908.16757@hsv3.lsil.com> richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg) writes:
>in an article kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>
>   that doesn't harden with cold.  If still having trouble call the 
>   help line at 503)667-3705.
>
will they also handle calls on broken connecting pins? we kill one every
outing or so.... any solutionm to the problme yet?
anyone know anything of an F2?


cu
-pete



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From: jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour)
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Organization: Medar, Inc.     Farmington Hills, MI
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:05:14 GMT
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball

In article <1992Oct2.103755.1271@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.211908.16757@hsv3.lsil.com> richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg) writes:
>>in an article kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>>
>>   that doesn't harden with cold.  If still having trouble call the 
>>   help line at 503)667-3705.
>>
>will they also handle calls on broken connecting pins? we kill one every
>outing or so.... any solutionm to the problme yet?

Whoa!  You're talking about the pin that connects the lower and upper
bolts?  Sounds like something is seriously wrong here.  I'm not saying
it doesn't happen from time-to-time, but *I* don't know of a single
person that it has happened to.  I'll have to ask around about that.

>anyone know anything of an F2?
>

Not I.

>
>cu
>-pete
>
>
>
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Diesel vs. Electric Locomotive Maintenance
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:48:39 GMT

In article <35601@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
|> An electric (we'll deal with a powerful AC one) has to in effect
|> have a power sub-station to step down the 11-50KV power from the
|> overhead to a lower voltage ~300-600 Volts that can be used in brush
|> type DC traction motor or handed economically by solid-state rectifiers
|> and switching circuits.

Don't modern electric locos have AC traction motors?


|> air brakes and perhaps a steam-heat boiler or provision for head-end
|> power for the passenger service.

Almost nobody uses steam heat anymore.  Isn't head-end power is so much
nicer with an electric because you don't need to have a smoke-spewing
noisy diesel engine revving the whole time?


|> For just about anything except the Northeast Corridor and commuter
|> rail, the diesels have displaced electric traction, even where the
|> fixed plant is paid for and there is an effective fleet of locomotives.

Why do you suppose western Europe is so extensively electrified?  With
each passing year more and more of the relatively few remaining diesel
lines are being electrified.  Another thing I've noticed is that here
in the USA I frequently hear talk of how electrification is only worth-
while on super-high density traffic lines.  While in western Europe,
I've seen many electrified lines that had relatively low traffic levels
(like a train every half hour to an hour or so).  It seems that just
about any line that carries passenger traffic (freight-only lines are
few) over there is either electrified or scheduled to be electrified.


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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Three-phase electrification (was something about tunnels
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:05:22 GMT

John Scott McCauley writes:

> How does two-wire overhead handle switches (turnouts)? Like a trolleybus
> switch? Did this limit high-speed operation through switches?

Locomotives had a pair of pantographs at each end and both sets were up.
This allowed them to span the dead crossing zone where phase conflict
would occur.  Steeplecabs had hoops that reached fore and aft on pairs of
trolley pole like extensions in order to achieve sufficient separation to
give continuous service.  High speed turnouts had long dead zones but then
speed was sufficient to bridge these gaps.  Occasionally someone got stuck
switching under these and needed a push.

Italy had a number of interesting configurations, one of which was a steam
locomotive with the exhaust stack along the side of the middle of the
boiler.  I was never able to discover the advantage of this although I am
sure there was one.  I would like to hear from anyone who knows why.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: jburrill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:36:25 GMT
Subject: White Pass & Yukon Question
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

A year ago this past summer, we spent some time in Skagway, AK and were able
to ride the "White Pass & Yukon" to the summit of White Pass. At the time, I
spoke with a conductor on the train we were riding and he said that they were
going to start work on reopening the line to Whitehorse, at least some distance
to the Lake (Can't remember the name.) 

Now for my question:
Has anyone been there during the summer of '92, and are the excursions going
some distance past the White Pass Summit?

Jim Burrill
jburrill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com 

From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 19:33:57 GMT
Subject: Re: questions about the history of the Great Western
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

There have been a few threads within the last year about the GW. It has a very
colorful history. For a look at the railroad up to the late 'seventies, read
the book "Sugar Tramp" [I don't know who the author/publisher are, but I have
seen the book at a couple of different libraries]. Here at HP Fort Collins, we
have a resident expert on this line: Roger Mitchell. He probably knows more
about the GW than the GW does. BTW, they do a LOT of locomotive rebuilding and
car storage...as a matter of fact, they make more $$ from those (and a tie 
plant, if my memory serves me well) than they do moving cars. One last comment:
the reason their GP-7s and 9s often look BN-like is that at least one IS ex-BN.
Roger, where are you? :-)

 
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