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From: caress@berdis.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter N Caress)
Subject: Flame
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:18:14 GMT

In article <305@ininx.UUCP> jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar) writes:
...
> |  Voting in government elections, or petitioning government, or willfully  |
> |  accepting government ``benefits'' when it's feasibly avoidable (thereby  |
> |  generating demand for taxation), accelerate the supplanting of personal  |
> |  choice by collective dictate,  making these most serious crimes against  |
> |  humanity.  ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar  |
>

The Internet to which John Kreznar's article was posted was developed and 
built with money from DARPA and the NSF, both government agencies. Also, 
many government agencies receive this newsgroup, so the article was pro-
cessed and distributed in part with taxpayer's money. This generates 
demand for taxation when it is feasibly avoidable, thereby accelerating 
the supplanting of personal choice by collective dictate and making John
Kreznar guilty of a most serious crime against humanity. See you at the
Nuremberg trials! 

(just kidding)

-- Peter Caress

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From: jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Summary: What due process?
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:00:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.society.civil-liberty
Organization: Independence Industries, Los Angeles

In article <1992Dec13.223549.25391@hounix.org>, wlarkin@hounix.org (Ward Larkin) writes:

> In the case of these helmit laws ( both bicycle and
> motorcycle ) there was due process law,...

Oh?  What was it?  Surely you don't mean a majority vote?!  What about
a person who never consented to be governed by a majority of some body
of voters?

-- 
        Relations among people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
         ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.privacy,talk.politic.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.activism,alt.individualism,rec.bicycles,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Keywords: Helmet Laws, Drug Laws, etc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:01:00 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Dec10.023007.16159@eskimo.com> nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse) writes:


|     We fought a war of independence with the british.  Many died so that we
|could have our freedom.  Now, we're willing to give up that freedom so we, as
|a society, don't have to bear the costs associated with someone who is injured
|as the result of making an unwise choice.  We'd rather give up our right to
|make the choice then live with the possibility we might make a bad one and
|incure some costs as a result.

I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said, "Those who desire to give up
freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve
either."

(Quote from memory, not verbatim)
-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.true-crime,aus.politics
From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:41:03 GMT

allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:

>I object strongly to your political persuasions being forced onto this group.
>The history of Serb/Croat dispute should have been handled by the UN,if the
>two peoples cannot stop this by themselves.Then the UN should,BY force.
>Failing that,the world can end up like the US and Aus in regards to Vietnam.

Why can't he/she air her/his views on the net? Seems as good a place as any
to me!

>Your political beliefs are fine,but keep them to yourself.
>I don't believe in GOD and I allow for The survival of the fittest,as in 
>the Darwinism ideology.
>All wars are based on some stupid idea of religion.

Are you honestly that heartless that you cannot feel for the invaded nations
people who are being tortured, raped, and murdered daily? Especially since
you live in such a defenceless country yourself. If the lovers of peace and
freedom stood by whilst such treatment was being handed out to you and your
family could you justify it with survival of the fittest? 

If this is what you mean by survival of the fittest then woebetide the
future of the human race.

Jeff.

Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.misc
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: [talk.politics.drugs] question regarding job application
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:12:11 GMT

A repost from talk.politics.drugs:

From: km9985@sarah.albany.edu (MADIGAN KEVIN M)
Subject: question regarding job application
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:18:20 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

The following appears at the bottom of "Application for Academic
Positions, University of Cantral Florida":
====================================== 
Have you ever been convicted of a felony or first degree misdemeanor? If
yes, what charge(s)?

NOTE: A "yes" to this question will not necessarily bar you from employment.
The nature, severity and date of the offense in relation to the position for
which you are applying are considered.

Have you ever been convicted of a felony for the sale or trafficking in or
conspiracy to traffic in a controlled substance committed in or after 
October 1990? If the answer is yes, Chapter 893, F.S. requires you to contact
the Employment Division for additional background information before you can
be considered for employment with the State University System.

Employees of the University of Central Florida, as in all other State agencies,
are required to take the Oath of Loyalty to the United States and the 
State of Florida.
======================================

This has me steamed! Is this constitutional? If I write them and tell them
how I feel about this, do I end up on some "subversives" list?

What is the deal with this? It seems rather intrusive. The loyalty oath bit
seems rather unamaerican.


Kevin
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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.true-crime,aus.politics
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:15:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.society.civil-liberty
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <1992Dec18.005214.25192@cs.su.oz.au>,
    allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer) writes:

| I object strongly to your political persuasions being forced onto this group.

And I object strongly to you including the entire bloody article!

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.abortion
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: [ACLU] Reproductive Freedom
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:57:58 GMT

In article <312@ininx.UUCP> jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar) writes:
>
>If a person's toil is applied, without that person's consent, through
>taxation, toward an end that that person does not approve, how does
>this differ from slavery?

As long as the end is _collectively_ approved, why should it matter whether a 
given individual dissents, John, as long as he or she is free to leave the 
collective anytime they want, thereby forsaking all of the benefits, as well 
as the liabilities, of that particular Social Contract?

								- Kevin
From: yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: Publication Ban on Page 1
Keywords: topical, chuckle, true
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:57:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I just saw this on rec.humor.funny  It isn't really funny.  In fact, it is
absolutely appalling.  It is more appropriate for this newsgroup.


In article <S4bc.8cd@looking.on.ca>, nalin@cs.uregina.ca (Nalin Whatyamacallit) writes:
|> The following piece appeared on Page 1 of the Dec 5, '92 Globe & Mail -
|> Canada's only national news paper.  It seems court censorship has come full
|> circle.
|> 
|> 	"Somewhere in Canada yesterday, a group requested a court ban on the
|> 	publication/broadcast of a certain work for certain reasons.
|> 
|> 	"The court granted the ban on publication/broadcast and, in addition,
|> 	imposed a ban on reporting the fact of the ban.
|> 
|> 	"This has required The Globe and Mail to withhold Broadcast Week
|> 	magazine, which is normally included in the Saturday papers distributed
|> 	in Ontario.
|> 
|> 	"The Globe and Mail, with certain other parties, has mounted a legal
|> 	challenge against the ban on reporting the ban, on grounds that it
|> 	interferes with freedom of the press and other media of communication,
|> 	which is guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms."

-- 
411 Blockley Hall      |                    Conway Yee, N2JWQ
418 Service Drive      | yee@ming.mipg.upenn.edu    (preferred)
Philadelphia, PA 19104 | cy5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (forwarded to above)
(215) 662-6780         |
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From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.activism,alt.individualism,rec.bicycles.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Keywords: Helmet Laws, Drug Laws, etc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:10:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec11.221005.2072
Organization: University of Washington

Someone posted something on this subject using my name , but spelled it
wrong;  Veal instead of Veale.  Does someone actually have this name, or is
someone simply trying to use my name to avoid using their own?  If you are,
please knock that crap off!

					-David VealE
Xref: sparky alt.society.civil-liberty:6962 alt.true-crime:273 aus.politics:2087
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: True Bible????
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:25:11 GMT

Bible is simply a corrupt form of the greek word for "book".

As for me, my bible is Kernighan and Ritchie, the C Programming Language.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: So!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.163859.26865@nmsu.edu> jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH) writes:
>	Yeah, OK, maybe MUKOR does rule all Galaxies, but Azathoth is
>the Pole of the Universe.  He rules even thr stuff BETWEEEEN the 
>Galaxies.  I would not want to get into a space war with Azathoth.
>	Besides which, MUKOR has no friends.  Azathoth, although he also 
>has no friends (Al-Azrad sez so, p. 356 of the Dee Translation), has 
>LOADS of help in the forms of all those obnoxious flute players, plus
>That )*^906)*&^976 Crawling Chaos.  Besides, I know someone who blew
>MUKOR up once.  All he had was a leetle teeeny ship...
>	and it's Elder Gods to you, Unbeliever!
>
>
>	The Laughing Priest!  {Jgoodri@nmsu.edu}

BAH! It is just such mortals as these that fail to comprehend that the
image in Blasteroids is but a REPRESENTATION of Mukor, not his true form.
To make a true image of Mukor would panic millions, send thousands to 
their deaths. Mukor needs them for a while yet before he destroys them all.

And Mukor sure does have friends! We of the Church of Mukor the Triumphant
are his loyal followers, his worshippers. Besides, Azathoth needs all those
whining little flute players. MUKOR DOESN'T NEED ANY HELP!  Mukor is evil
enough by himself without need of some brainless slimy thing that squeals
away all day on a flue. And also, Mukor doesn't like flutes anyway. He has
OZZIE! Ozzie is of Mukor (it's on one of his tatoos). 

And as Mukor's prophet I can say that I have seen him work miracles.
Last year at a New Year's party I was working late as a pizza delivery
driver. The party was full of the followers of Mukor, but they didn't
really have faith. I had said that if I got "any screwups" I'd bring the pizzas
by, Mukor willing. They laughed and doubted.
That night, for the first time, there were 14 screwup pizzas, and all of them
larges with lots of toppings. LOTS of toppings. I brought them in to the 
stunned (and plastered) followers of Mukor to shouts of praise for the iron
pseudopod. I asked "did you doubt Mukor? Did you not believe Mukor would
provide?" They no longer doubt Mukor's power.

(sung to the tune of the "ode to Joy" by Beethoven

Mukor rules all galaxies
with an iron pseudopod!
Smashing planets, 
killing people,
Mukor Mukor is our god!


Zolar, prophet of Mukor

dleland@nmsu.edu
ALL HAIL MUKOR! MUKOR RULES ALL GALAXIES!! 
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: ghayden@mixer.ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory K. Hayden)
Subject: Newcomer To The Necromicon
Followup-To: None
Summary: More info wanted abt. the Necromicon in general
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: World
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:28:40 GMT

   I am a recent subscriber to this newsgroup, and have heard a lot of
 references to the Necromicon in various books and short stories I have read.
 Normally they refer to it as an ancient book of occult magic (or magik if you
 prefer).  

   I was just wondering if someone/everyone could fill me in on the real story
 and content of the Necronicon?  I know I'm opening myself up for flames on this,
 but I really am interested.  Also, is there any way to get a hold of an actual
 copy/translation of this book?  

   Thanks In Advance,
                  Greg
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: lodge@owlnet.rice.edu (David John Lodge)
Subject: Re: So!
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:27:35 GMT

Corwin raises his hand immediately.

- Corwin
-- 
                                          "Everywhere I go, myself
      dlodg00@ricevm1.rice.edu             May I have luck,
                                           Everywhere my close relatives go
      lodge@owlnet.rice.edu                May they have their good luck"
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: fate@eskimo.com (Craig Stykel)
Subject: Re: So!
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:35:32 GMT

cerebrus@eskimo.com (Dan Scherck) writes:
> 
> Who here is happily faithful to the belief that the Necronomicon, in
> it's original form is the one true bible, and that we should all give
up
> now and die? (Raises hand)
Fate raises all 4 hands....
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Subject: Re: So!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:38:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.004457.453@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>With a shudder the rent in the universe yawns wide, and the iron pseudopod
>of MUKOR, he who laughs at the elder gods, who RULES ALL GALAXIES, raises
>into the glittering void. Insane laughter spews forth. Azathoth gulps and
>hopes it will go away soon.....
>
>
>dleland@nmsu.edu
>
	Yeah, OK, maybe MUKOR does rule all Galaxies, but Azathoth is
the Pole of the Universe.  He rules even thr stuff BETWEEEEN the 
Galaxies.  I would not want to get into a space war with Azathoth.
	Besides which, MUKOR has no friends.  Azathoth, although he also 
has no friends (Al-Azrad sez so, p. 356 of the Dee Translation), has 
LOADS of help in the forms of all those obnoxious flute players, plus
That )*^906)*&^976 Crawling Chaos.  Besides, I know someone who blew
MUKOR up once.  All he had was a leetle teeeny ship...
	and it's Elder Gods to you, Unbeliever!


>
                           

	The Laughing Priest!  {Jgoodri@nmsu.edu}

Hastur!  Hastur!  Hastur!   See nothing ha-


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson)
Subject: Re: How do you like my *postscript*?
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:01:13 GMT


Well, since I keep getting a little Daemon when I try to respond
personally I guess I have to post here....sorry for the use of public
space...

Zekester, leave me mail on how to contact you...I dont want to start an
argument or anything...


Huh? -----> AJ

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: To be obsessed
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 12:52:28 EST

In article <1992Dec8.180958.9585@news.stolaf.edu> cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson) writes:
>My parents have told me on several occasions that i am obsessed with my 
>sexuality and with the politics that surround it.  They claim i am too
>visible and too out.  They also claim that i make a point of telling everyone,
>and that i refuse to spend time with people who i am not comfortabe around, 
>or that are not comfortable around me.  
>Personally, i do not think it is possibe to be too visible, and i don't 
>believe that i am obsessed.  I only talk about what i want when i want and
>if others are uncomfortable others are uncomfortable and I AM NOT! If that
>is being obsessed, then i guess i am.  I refuse to be uncomfortabe at the
>sake of not making someone else uncomfortable.  Perhaps i am selfish
>but i don't think so.  I am only being me, and by doing so am asking 
>society to learn to accept me as i am.
>
>So, what do you all think? Is there a point at which one is TOO visible, 
>TOO out, TOO obsessed?
>

Well, far be it from me to dictate my beliefs on others, but you did
ask...

I think there is a point that one can become obsessed with an aspect 
of their personality, whether it is sexual identity, racial, cultural
or sports related :-) . The point being, others will not wish to be 
around you. Now, I'm certainly not implying that you have reached that
level; I don't know you. But I have found that the company of men who
are open, but not WAY OUT, is preferable to those who are politicized 
over their sexuality, partially because they can take an honest look
at themselves and laugh, partially because they seem to interact better
with hetero folk. Of course this too is a blunt generalization but I am
speaking from some experience. 

The problem with Gay/Lesbian politics is the problem with 
every other type of sepatatist/identity politics, whether it
is Irishness, Catholic or church-related, Afro-American, or 
whatever: it reinforces divisiveness, not unity, and hey,
nobody will accept the rights of Gays unless the hets eralize
that they are people too. Look at all the fuss over gays in the military.
If people think gays are different, and just want to look at other 
men's pee-pees in the shower, of COURSE the hets will fight tooth and
nail against the idea. But if they realize that gays are like them in
most ways, the sexual issue will simply fade away. 

"Shields raised for incoming flames, Captain"

Chris

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Agv'nige Wohali)
Subject: Re: How do you like my *postscript*?
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:13:37 GMT


Zeke,

You're one sick wasichu, my friend.  I am not homosexual; as a matter of
fact I am heterosexual.  But this does not give me the right to go around
badmouthing other people.  All your "postscript" proves is that you are an
unmitigated bigot who wants to shove his nose where it does not belong.

And how do you expect people NOT to pass judgement on you when that is
exactly what you are doing to them?  From the facet of your personality
you show here, nobody would want to know you except for some inbred bunch
of redneck bigots like yourself.

You have created an interesting new term, "heterophobe".  These people are
not heterophobes; they are just sick of you spewing your shit onto this
newsgroup.

Go to hell, you miserable kajojoyeya wasichu.

Agv'nige Wohali
From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: re: Me bashing.
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:46:25 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Libraries
NNTP-Posting-Host: standdx26.kerr.orst.edu

I agree with Patrick and I am not even straight.

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Renee Perry <rrp1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: how do you like my postscript
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11: 24:20 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rrp1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:21:59 GMT

From: Zeke
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:40 CST
In article <15DEC199206405079@zeus.tamu.edu> ,
Zeke@Gays.should.be.in.the.military.so.they.can.be.casualties.of.war
writes:
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>|The Zekester, PRO HETERO and proud of it!!                   |
>|       **********         They call me homophobic,           |
>|    ***          ***      They call me bigotted,             |
>|  **<-------------****    They call me close-minded,         |
>| **  \          **** **   They call me intolerant,           |
>|**    \      ****/    **  They blame me for their problems,  |
>|**     \  ****  /     **  They cannot tolerate me,           |
>|**     ****    /      **  They cannot respect me,            |
>| ** **** \    /      **   They do not know me,               |
>|  ****    \  /      **         yet they judge me.            |
>|    ***    \/   ***                                          |
>|       **********         They must be heterophobes!!        |
>---------------------------------------------------------------
Well as Art goes I can't say much for it, but as the dredgings of an
incredibly impoverished mind, it's quite remarkable.
																																						Renee
##############################################
Any disclaimer you like
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: HOMOphobia
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:23:11 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host

In article <7DEC199221271113@rigel.tamu.edu> asshole.tu.edu writes:

>Gosh, this person must obviously been some silly, foolish
>HOMOPHOBE and deserves a good hard cucumber up their wazzoooo.  This will let
>them see the light to a better tomorrow with much improved grammar for they
>are now open-minded (open-reared).


Zeke, baby... I doubt seriously that they've really deserved a 'good hard
cucumber up their wazzoooo' but I think we should let them have it anyways
on the theory that it's always good to be nice to someone.

A real live Cock with a happy man attached is much better though...
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: gerike@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Roman Gerike)
Subject: Re: To be obsessed
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:32:46 GMT
Organization: FB20 (PUe) Informatik TH-Darmstadt

You live what you are. There's no TOO much anything if you feel all
right with it.

- Roman