From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Another good reason to vote for Bush
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA


cj>In article <og33a8g@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
dh>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu writes:

dh>Bush does not want to ban "all" abortions.  He supports
dh>exceptions for rape and incest, and for the life of the mother.

cj>And, of course, for his own family.

cj>This morning's news had a lovely story about Bush's reactions
cj>to a question about how he'd react if a grandchild of his sought
cj>an abortion.  In his reply, he said that the woman was the only
cj>one who could decide, ultimately.

cj>Either he's pro-choice but not above shameless political pandering
cj>to the extreme right, or he's pro-life-for-everyone-except-himself
cj>and a shameless hypocrite.  Whichever-- it doesn't matter to me.
cj>He can't be trusted, and he's not getting my vote.

My first inclination on hearing both Bush and Quayle was to have some
understanding for what they were being asked.  Being a father myself,
I could understand what they were saying.  Regardless of what my children
might do during their life, I really don't see myself stopping from
loving them and supporting them.  Despite what Chaney may think parenting
is all about, it is rarely about intimidating your children into
behaving.

However, I gave some thought to their position regarding their own
family and their legislative agenda.  They both apparently believe
that the fetus is a life.  In Quayles case, what was being talked about
is his grandchild, and in Bush's his great-grandchild.  Why wouldn't
they have said they were willing to use physical force to prevent
any member of their family from getting an abortion?  Both were asked
what you would do if you knew they were getting an abortion, not what
would you do if you found out they already had.  Their legislative
agenda is to use physical force to prevent other women from getting
abortions, wouldn't it be more consistent to force ably prevent their
own family members from getting an abortion.  I mean Quayle to be
consistent should have said he would force ably lock his daughter in
her room or get 24 hour supervision (They got the secret service
for this anyway) to make damn sure the abortion never takes place.
After all, to his supposed way of thinking, it is his grandchild that
his daughter wants to kill.  Shouldn't he make all kinds of extreme
effort to prevent this killing?

How about pro-lifers who believe abortion is murder.  If someone, a
friend or a family member came to you and said they were going to get
an abortion, to what extent would you go to prevent them from
accomplishing their stated goal?  Assuming it was illegal, would you
call the cops?  Would you use physical force?  Would you make some
sort of sacrifice to stop them such as full time supervision to ensure
they don't kill the fetus?  Or would you only try and talk them out
of it?  To what extent would you go if one of your friends or family
came to you and said they were going to kill their born children?
Would your actions be any different?  Would your feelings be any
different?


cj>cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720


Dan King
Newsgroups: talk.abortion