From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Convenient memory lapse (Re: Other side of the coin)
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:23:07 AET
Organization: UCQ



In article <NAEEM.92Dec22023430@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.134433.13137@topaz.ucq.edu.au> salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>    >If the Bangladeshis
>    >are really sincere and honest for reconciliation then they should
>    >acknowledge the truth and admit their atrocities against the nonbengalis
>    >which well match the ones of Serbians against Bosnian muslims.
> -----
> Do you have newsreports that give numbers supporting this comparison? Please 
> post at your leisure.   
>
   I have given in my original article which you have deleted. It is your
dishonesty. You have also deleted the part which revealed that the figures
you quote are the fabrications of the Indian propaganda machines.
 
>   >Some of them have asked for "stats" and "sources". What they really mean
>   >is to show the evidence from the western media. 
> 
> Granted,western media is hardly a beacon of impartiality.But what other sources
> do you have access to that are MORE reliable? Your eyewitness account? 
> Pakistani newsreports?
> 
>    

Probably INDIAN media is RELIABLE and IMPARTIAL specially at the time when
India was preparing the invasion of East Pakistan.

>    >Biharis were politically too insignficant to be noticed by the
>    >western media. 
> -----
> Why? By July of that year, United States was only country still exporting
> arms to Pakistan. Wouldn't western media have loved to ferret out stories
> of Mukti Bahini atrOcities in order to weaken call of pacifists who were
> demanding Nixon withdraw support for Yahya?
> 
> 
   You have got it all wrong. American support was against the anticipated
Indian aggression and a retaliation to the USSR-Indian defence pact and not
against the Bengalis.

>>Also that they were evacuated at very early stage from Dacca
>>and Chittagong. Then how they got the information of the alleged atrocities
>>of Pak army?
> -----
> Accounts from refugees in Indian camps were one primary source.	
>
  So should be accounts of the West Pakistani civilians and Bihari Muslims.
Or do you choose two different criteria?
 
>>The articles I had read long ago which reflected the atrocities of the
>>mukti bahni are unfortunately not available here and I don't remember the
>>exact references. 
> -------
> That is very convenient for you. Do you expect to win an argument on this 
> basis? "Oh, I left it in my jacket pocket which is at home."?? If you are
> going to bother making accusations, at least spend the time to do the
> research.
> 
> 
   No it is very inconvenient for me. Do you really think that my article
was based on this point or the ones you deleted?

>>But the truth doesn't lie in the "stats" and the "sources".
> ------
> Only truth acceptable when you are trying to argue a point with a skeptical
> audience.   
> 
  No truth doesn't lie in the stats and sources. No one seriously believes
that more Jews were killed in Nazi concentration camps than the total
Jewis population of the time as reported by the media.

> 
> NM
> --
> Naeem Mohaiemen
> 216 774-1993
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "America says you got to have money to live and to get money you got to have
>  a job. To get a job, you got to have an education. So along comes a Black
>  man and he gets a worse than inferior education so he can't qualify for a 
>  job he couldn't get because he was Black to begin with and still he's supposed
>  to eat, keep his family together, pay the rent and buy an Oldsmobile.
>  And white folks wonder why niggers steal and gamble."
> 				[H.R. Brown, 1967]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 

    Salam.

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