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Subject: Re: classic education books

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> From:         Aimee Howley <ESS016@MARSHALL.MU.WVNET.EDU>
> Subject:      Re: classic education books
> To:           Robert Stonehill <RSN@NIHCU.BITNET>
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> I wonder if it might help to ask whether or not there are principles
> of pedagogy (and also of thought) that enlighten practice.  In fact,
> a more productive sense of teachers might include consideration of
> the many experiences--"common sense," local knowledge, intellectual
> influences--that inform practice.  Why should teaching practice be
> constrained?
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> --Aimee Howley; Educational Administration; Marshall University;
> Huntington, WV  25755   ESS016@Marshall.WVNET.EDU

I'm not sure I understand the relationship of your thought to
the context of the original request--that is, is there a somewhat
readily identifiable body of classic works in education.  If in
fact there are principles of pedagogy that enlighted practice,
are they not in fact articulated in the types of works we are
looking for?  (As an aside, one candidate list we identified had
a book of yours on it, about educating gifted children!)
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Subject:      Re: Clinton/Gore private school choice

Amen to Vic Mayer's statement about security as a prime factor for the
Gores and Clintons' school choices.  This seems to be the prime reason in
my mind for the Clintons, at least.  Though I was disappointed in the
choice, I do understand it for what I THINK are security reasons (so much
of the list speculation is based on the skimpiest of info!  Does anyone
really know the Clintons' reasons???), and I applaud the choice of a Quaker
school over the possibility of a more elite and traditional/exclusionary
private school (like St. Albans, where Al Gore prepped for Harvard).

Just what is a private school anyway?  Are the public schools of Winnetka
Illinois, Chapel Hill, NC, and Scarsdale NY any less "exclusionary?"
Recall the many postings on Kozol on this list over the last few months.

Looking for enlightenment and clarity....

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Subject:      Mandated Assessment in Higher Ed

It seems to me that the very limited exchange we have had on this
list concerning mandated assessment in higher ed has moved too quickly
from assertions that states are mandating something (New YHork, Virginia)
to offers to assist with technical details of implementation (it can
be painless if you do it right).  I'd like to stay with the policy\
discussion for a bit.  Peg Miller mentioned a mandate in Virginia.
Peg, what is mandated?

Alan Davis
University of Colorado at Denver
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From:         peter lau <72460.3000@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Secretary of Education

The Jan 6 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education has an article on
Richard Riley, the new Secretary of Education.  He is an FOB (Friend of
Bill).  The article makes for interesting reading.

peter lau
uc riverside
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From:         "Jane Clark Lindle, Ph.D." <JCLIND00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Clinton's Choice & inner city choice

Several have mentioned that inner city children don't have the same
choices thatpeople "like us" or Bill Clinton have.  I just want to
mention   phenomena whichhas been "whispered" about in urban areas and
is finally surfacing in the case literature of Educational
Adminsitration. That is, that some urban children/families have figured
a way to make a choice without moving/ affording different housing.
They use the mass transit system to access suburban school districts. In
registering, false addresses are given, or addresses which exist but are
not the true residences, or relatives are claimed as guardians when they
aren't, etc.  This is not choice as "we" experience it, but it
demonstrates that choice is exercised. frequently, this puts school
administrators in the position of a king of reverse truancy problem;
that is, they have to hang out at bus and subway stops and try to figure
out which children have arisen at 4 or 5AM to transfer three or four
times to get to their "school of choice" sans tax dollars from their
parents.  This can be really difficult with older students when
districts have opted to not provide transportation and utilize the
transportation system of the municiplality instead. In some cases, the
students are academically talented and show some initiative by using
this method of "choice", but are infact not supported by tuition or tax
dollars from their own family.  In other cases, the reason for using
choice are not academically oriented.  For instance, if a high school
exceeds that absence policy in one urban district and is in danger of
failing, they'll just transfer to another with a more lenient
policy...but they don't move they just use the available transportation
system.

I believe we DO have choice available to all of us... as the above cases
illustrate, there are many ways of exercising that choice. If you're
affluent, you get around the system with money. If you're not, you have
to be more adept at exercsing other resources.  I would argue that the
people who really don't have a choice are inner city children, but the
rural poor --- they have no $$ and no mass transit system.
Jane Clark Lindle, JCLIND00@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:15:00 MST
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Subject:      Diving the Great Barrier Reef

Hi!
I would like to get some info on diving in Australia, mainly the great barrier
reef: what's the best time to go, any suggestions for dive operators (live on-
board), etc.
You can answer directly to NBORDES@BOOTES.UNM.EDU
Thank you.
Nicole
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From:         geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      Lenses and diopters

Referring to Bob Claeson's post on mask lenses, I think you have your
signs wrong, Bob.

Nearsighted (myopic) people need negative lenses (- diopters, thinnest
at the center) to achieve focus. Farsighted ones need positive
lenses (+ diopters, thickest at the center).


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From: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se (Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden)
Subject: Re: Pony bottle advice needed
Reply-To: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se
Organization: Plasma Physics, KTH, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:32:11 GMT

I made a fabric bag with burdock straps (no idea whether "burdock" is the
correct word here). I put the pony in the bag and fasten it to the main tank
using the straps. That way I don't have to worry about different tank sizes if
I use the pony on a diving trip. In the worst case, it is also possible to dump
the main tank and keep the pony. Since I don't want the pony to fall off during
a dive, I start by mounting the pony, *then* I connect the main tank and the
bc. That way the straps for the pony bottle will be fixed by the bc. I can
still take it out of the bag, though. Actually, nowadays I have managed to
mount the pony bag directly on the bc (using the straps). Very convenient. I
can still disconnect them if I want to use the pony without the bc.

I have tried metal mounts, but came to the conclusion that they are difficult
to get stable enough. A fabric bag also protects the pony bottle. However,
bottom line is that you should try to come up with a solution that fits your
specific requirments. Might take a little work, but it is worth it.

Hope this helps.


Odd Bolin
Department of Plasma Physics, Alfven Laboratory
Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:02:58 EDT
From:         "Tanya J. Utt" <TJUTTX@TSRV1.TS.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Waste of resources/ Novice diver-to-be =)

=> > Since this list has nothing to do
=> > with anyone's work, only their avocations, perhaps the entire list
=> > is a waste of net resources!
=>


I honestly feel this is NOT a waste...  <everyone has their opinions
though... and it is nice to see them voiced. seriously. >  I joined
the list with the anticipation that I would benefit from it. I
currently do no diving whatsoever... but am taking the course at the
opening of this semester for the good ole PE credits. I'm really
looking forward to it, and HAVE learned a great deal already <but
MORE!MORE! please>!

So, anyone have any simple beginner type things they want to discuss?
 Best ways to get in shape for it?  What to wear? Pointers for
someone who is blind as a bat w/o contact lenses, but who is paranoid
of losing them during the training... If I don't wear them, I won't
SEE the instructor  =)  would a mask with special lenses help out of
the water & in?  Any good books, or are _people_ better to learn from?

These may sound like silly things to some of you who have been out
there for a while, but I'm interested, and I'm asking for help.  =)
If this is really too basic for the list discussion, please mail me
directly...   =)  But by all means PLEASE keep the info coming...
(the questions on the plate tectonics and quakes really got to me the
other day(s)... I'm a geology major in love with quakes, tectonics,
etc...) Keep it coming no matter how deep <bad pun, I know  =)> it is!

=)

-Tanya

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:06:50 PST
From:         Peter Brueggeman <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU@SDSC.BITNET>
Subject:      prescription masks

          Tanya asked about prescription masks and other issues.  As
          someone who has been diving with prescription masks since
          1970 (off-shelf and glued-lenses), I can share my
          experience.  The off-the-shelf prescription masks are okay
          if they fit your face well and your prescription is
          straight-forward (no astigmatism).  Check around at several
          stores and try different brands of prescription masks; faces
          are different and masks are different.  Find one that fits
          well.  Off-the-shelf prescription masks usually come in
          half-diopter increments up to diopter 6 or so.  If your
          prescription is very close to an increment, then fine.  If
          your prescription is between increments, you could get
          lenses at the increment under your prescription since your
          vision is slightly magnified underwater.  However if you are
          doing beach-entry diving where you have to line up shore
          landmarks far away, then you may want to get lenses at the
          next diopter level above your prescription.  If you have a
          prescription above 6 diopters, then only a very few
          brands of masks have lenses up to 8 diopters, TUSA being
          one.  If you have a prescription up around 8 diopters and
          the few masks available don't fit well, then consider
          getting lenses glued to a mask that does fit.  If you have
          astigmatism, then consider getting lenses glued to a mask.
          I have no experience with contact lenses and diving.  I
          assume one has to spit on the contact lenses to keep them
          from fogging up like masks do :)

          Peter Brueggeman, Scripps Institution of
          Oceanography Library, University of
          California San Diego. PBRUEGGEMAN@UCSD.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:12:44 PST
From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Yet another shark story :)

Well, it looks like the crimson triangle has yet shown it's face (or fin)
yet again.

Off the Southern Coast of Oregon, a 15 foot Great White in 8 feet of
water took a bite out of a surf board. The poor guy got away with no damage.

The GW made two passes in 8 sec. and then just left the area. The surf board
looks like a cookie with a big bite out of it :)

For you folks who are in plate tecktonics, this area is a land area that
it is thought that may have been placed there by subducting sea floor.
The reason I am saying this is, the Gulf of Mexico is home to the
great schoolsof Hammers and also maybe where the meteor hit that may have
broken up Pangea. Now, is there a connection between geology and a large
population of sharks? Why do I ask? Well we have been averaging about one
attack a month here in this area (or so says the Oregonian)
I am in hope of diving this area some time, good area for Bay diving.
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From: JERINRA@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Robert Jerin)
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Subject: dive trip over spring break
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:58:18 GMT
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I am interested in joining in a dive trip over Spring Break.
I am off from 3/5/93 - 3/13/93.
I am an experienced diver and have dove Hawaii, Australia,
the Keys and the Bimini chain.
Any information on trips looking for an additional diver is
wanted.

Thanks,

Dr. J
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From: wrolf@csfb1.uucp (Wrolf Courtney)
Subject: Re: pony bottle advice needed
Organization: First Boston Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:19:50 GMT

In article <20@sandnet.ucsd.edu> Peter Brueggeman <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU@SDSC.BITNET> writes:
>          I recently obtained a 13cf pony bottle and ask for advice on
>          mounting it.  I will be carrying it on almost all dives and
>          I shuffle between using two main 80cf tanks.
>
>          1) What is your recommendation on how and where to mount the
>          pony bottle?
>
>          2) If you mount it on the side of the main tank, do you
>          counterbalance its weight with a lead weight or something on
>          the other side of the main tank?
>
>          3) I have heard of a male/female pin mount strapped onto
>          main and pony tanks with stainless bands; is this a good
>          setup and where do I get these mounts?
>
>          Thanks,
>
>          Peter Brueggeman, UCSD Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>          Library, pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu

1)  On the right hand side, fairly low, with the regulator coming under
    your right arm up.  Secure the regulator with a loop of surgical
    hose to your right hand BCD strap, or to a neck halter.  See later
    for discussion of methods.

2)  I have never needed to counterbalance a 13 cu. ft. tank - remember,
    underwater it has negligible weight.  I am about to start using a
    30 cu. ft. tank - but I do not think that this will be a problem.

3)  The pin mounting system is the "Pony Tamer", available at any decent
    dive store.  The "Super Pony Tamer" has two points of attachment, the
    regular only one.  The downsides are:  1) cost; 2) you can only use
    it on your own tanks - if you are travelling, you may want to pop the
    pony onto a rented tank.

I used to use an arrangement of velcro straps with a 13 cu. ft. pony - worked
OK, but had a tendency to flop around a bit.  With the new 30 cu. ft. pony
I have bought a Scuba Sack.  Like I say, any decent dive store should be
able to help you out - the sack is generally ordered from a catalog.

BTW, 13 cu ft is a little bit small.  Do your own air calculations, but
I feel that you should restrict yourself strictly to non decompression
no penetration dives with this as your alternate air supply.  Use it in good
health - or rather, I hope you never use it, except for practice or when
testing it at the end of the second dive of the day.

Safe Diving.

-- 
Wrolf Courtney
First Boston Corporation
Park Avenue Plaza
New York, NY 10055
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:46:20 CST
From:         Douglas Eder <C900@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Referral to Fla. Keys

I am new on the network and am interested in SCUBA certification.  I
will be taking a pre-certification course at Southern Illinois U. this
winter.  During spring break I'll be down in the Fla. keys and would
like to obtain a referral to a qualified dive shop to complete my
certification.  Please send any information pertaining to my request.
---Jennifer Terrell


****************************
The above message is written by my friend, Jennifer, who I am
introducing to the wonders of e-mail. Please respond to her at my
e-mail address: C900@SIUEMUS.   Thanks.    ----Doug
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:32:41 IST
From:         CCBLAUN%TECHNION.bitnet@VM.TAU.AC.IL
Subject:      Re: Bull sharks
              6 Jan 1993 10:49:58 PST from
              <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU%SDSC.bitnet@VM.TAU.AC.IL>

Hi Peter.
Speaking about fresh water sharks, there`s some other 3 Carcharhinus that are d
angerous individuals, although they are not tending to leave their fresh water
teritory. Its the Zambezy shark (Zambezensis), the Ganges shark (Gangeticus)
and the lake Nicaragua shark (Nicaraguensis).
Although, the bad reputation (if i may use such words at all) goes for the bull
 shark with its special front line that looks like a bottle neck, and its evil
wicked eyes and large teeth prominent from its enormous jaws.
I think its the most impressive shark after the great white as far as agressive
outlines are concernes.     /\
                       ~~~~~  ~~~~~
                              Naftali Blau
From: lewis@unpsun1.cc.unp.ac.za (Greg Lewis)
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Subject: Re: Yet another shark story :)
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:16:39 GMT
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In article <SCUBA-L%93010512271277@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU> Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET> writes:
>Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:12:44 PST
>From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      Yet another shark story :)
>Well, it looks like the crimson triangle has yet shown it's face (or fin)
>yet again.
>
>Off the Southern Coast of Oregon, a 15 foot Great White in 8 feet of
>water took a bite out of a surf board. The poor guy got away with no damage.
>
>The GW made two passes in 8 sec. and then just left the area. The surf board
>looks like a cookie with a big bite out of it :)
>
>For you folks who are in plate tecktonics, this area is a land area that
>it is thought that may have been placed there by subducting sea floor.
>The reason I am saying this is, the Gulf of Mexico is home to the
>great schoolsof Hammers and also maybe where the meteor hit that may have
>broken up Pangea. Now, is there a connection between geology and a large
>population of sharks? Why do I ask? Well we have been averaging about one
>attack a month here in this area (or so says the Oregonian)
>I am in hope of diving this area some time, good area for Bay diving.

You will find that the GW mistook the surfer for a seal or such and only 
tasted him, and the chap was lucky he stayed on the board, and the GW didn't 
get a bite out of him while it was having a taste.

Do you have a lot of seals etc in the general area?
Under the water you shouldn't have too much of a problem, its on the top 
that you will. Because under us scuba divers are actually very noisy which 
tends to discourage the sharks a bit. So happy diving just remember to have 
a decent boat watch to distract ant potential nibblers when you are on the 
way up.

Greg Lewis.
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Orca Marathon deal

>
> If anyone going to Bonaire in the near future is interested in a
> good deal on new Orca Marathon dive computers, Bruce Bowker (Carib
> Inn) is currently selling them at $199.  No sales tax, either.  I
> haven't seen any comparable prices in the US, even from mail-order
> houses.
>
>
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How much will it cost to mail one to the UK ??

Cosma

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