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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Bassman tricks???
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Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date:  8 JAN 93 12:00:56    


In article <1993Jan07.134135.22453@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Elliott.New) writes...
> 
>Has anybody tried the Blackface BASSMAN modifications listed
>in the new Guitar Player?  Sounds like some major re-wiring,
>but the result sounds interesting.
> 

Oh, shit, now the blackface Bassman is gonna cost mega$$$ like every other
blackface Fender!  I kept telling people to buy 'em because at an average
price of $100-150 you can't get a better head, but no...

Maybe that explains why I saw a Bassman head listed in a recent dealer's price
list at $329!!!  Ouch!!!

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Subject: Re:  Lesson of the week
Organization: University of Rochester
Distribution: alt.guitar
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:19:24 GMT

In article <DV.93Jan7120610@oahu.linus.mitre.org> dv@oahu.linus.mitre.org (Dimitri Vorona) writes:
>You might want to form a sub group for this... but either way, I would
>be interested in teaching some of this if you like, I have had 10
>years of formal lessons with a private teacher and my music theory
>training should be fine... I could probably teach intermediate level
>or whatever,  my only concern is time (one lesson a week isn't too
>bad), and what exactly you thought this should achieve,  ex:  Do you
>want a lesson type like that of Mel Bay starting with real simply
>orientation, leading onto triads, sevenths, chords, scales, technique,
>etc...
>
>Let me know.
>
>								-Dimitri

More ideas from me! (Good or bad, I don't know)

The simple stuff (such that Mel Bay book 1 covers) should be left to
Mel Bay.  Maybe for completeness the notes on the strings can be covered
but other than say "practice what's in Mel Bay (or whatever simple songs
one decides to use)" can one do for learning the notes.

Week 1: Basics
    Notes on the strings, various picking methods, left hand technique, etc...

Week 2: Different LH studies for strength, speed, dexterity, etc...

From here I would say just start a discourse on guitar theory
starting with simple scales and chords and moving on in whatever
manner "those who know" think logical.  This is one reason why
I proposed for a couple people to collaborate.

BTW, I have been trying to talk my friend who knows all about this
neat stuff for piano to write some stuff up, but sofar it has been
to no avail!

Kevin

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: Re: Tuning Trouble
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:26:09 GMT

In article <kfGio=e00WBKQ1Vrl1@andrew.cmu.edu> Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>This just drives me nuts. I've been playing guitar for several years
>(though I just recently picked it up again) and I've had this recurring
>problem with tuning. I seem to have the strings properly tuned, but then
>the chords sound like fecal matter. I'm using a pitch pipe as a
>reference point.

>Anyone out there have a foolproof way to get the guitar in tune? I don't
>think it's the guitar. I've had three in my time, a Telecaster, a Yamaha
>acoustic and a Charvel, and I'm always running into this tuning thing.

>What's the best method for tuning? Pitch pipe? Pitch fork? How 'bout
>those electronic tuners?


Make sure the intonation is set correctly. This is set by adjusting the 
string length. 

Assuming intonation is correct, and that the frets are in the right places,
as most are, the problem is in your hands.

Look at your hands as you play chords. Are you pressing the strings to the
frets without bending to one side? Are you pressing too hard?

Electronic tuners are great. Precision is usually within a few cents,
(hundredths of a semi-tone), which is probably better than you can detect
with your ears. And they're very helpful for setting the intonation.

Robert




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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.audio.pro
From: soh@gdstech.grumman.com (Scott O'Hare)
Subject: Re: Guitar for sale...Gibson LesPaul Custom
Reply-To: soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:46:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.192144.17356@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> cooper@kdx200.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>A women buys her boyfriend a BRAND NEW LES PAUL CUSTOM for Xmas.  Not knowing 
>what he was getting for Xmas, the IDIOT dumps her.  
>

This is really one of the funniest things I've read in awhile. He's an idiot
because he didn't hang around long enough to collect the guitar, which he 
obviously would have done if he knew he was getting it, right? 


soh

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Subject: Re: One for the FAQ ( Was: Tuning Trouble )
Reply-To: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:42:50 GMT

In article <C0G468.6n8@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk>, rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Ryszard Boryna) writes:
>In article 10319@ericsson.se, etljmme@etlxd30.ericsson.se (Jim) writes:
>> Also, I find that when perfectly tuned, most chords sound good
>> but as you go up the neck, the sound deteriorates slightly.
>
>Intonation again!  Considering the amount of talk there was about this before Xmas
>perhaps this would be a good FAQ topic. And perhaps different methode of tuning?
>
>Ryszard

Add in Solid-State (pre)amps Vs. Tube (pre)amps!
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU (All I see is green)
Subject: dod flangers
Reply-To: acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:14:17 GMT

I'm interested in obtaining a flanger, doesn't matter if it's dod, boss,
or even ibanez, (gulp)  I'm interested in a reasonable price however.
You can contact me at my e-mail address or at (508)992-5605  .  I'm 
also interested in a digital delay pedal.  If anyone is looking to make
some quick cash, contact me!!!!!   I'll probably be jammin' on my les
paul when you call, so let it ring a few times!   or just leave me some
mail

dan
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: termite@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Paik)
Subject: Guitar, amp, pedal, tuning keys for sale
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:52:35 GMT

FOR SALE: Guitar, Amp, Pedal, Tuning Keys

Gibson 1991 Les Paul Studio
  - wine red stain
  - exactly same as Standard except has maple neck instead of mahagony
    and no binding
  - Schaller tuners + bone nut
  - with case, strap and Schaller straplocks
  - asking $425

Gibson guitar amp
  - front panel is like Fender Tremolux/Vibrolux
  - two channels (volume/tone/reverb/tremolo)
  - 12" speaker
  - sweet clean tones!!!
  - asking $199

Boss PS-2 digital pitch shifter/delay
  - does octaves or any other interval
  - nice for imitating 12 string
  - 32ms - 2s digital delay time
  - Boss power supply included
  - asking $99

Tuning keys from Gibson Les Paul
  - 3 on a side, classic Gibson look
  - you name a price

Dave
(415) 497-0754
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 15:17:11 PST
From: <WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Lesson of the Week

Yeah.  Cool idea.  But maybe it should be a seperate group.  I already have a
great guitar teacher.  I wouldn't mind dropping into a teaching forum once in a
while but I like a.g without a formal lesson structure overlaying the basic
charter.

Whaddya'll think?

Brian
From: gompertz@sdd.hp.com (Ron Gompertz)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Dobro
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:30:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl90.sdd.hp.com
Keywords: slide on this

In article <1ikpqrINN58b@network.ucsd.edu>, napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1ia5qpINNj12@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, gompertz@sdd.hp.com (Ron Gompertz) writes:
|> |> 
|> |>  
|> |> Another Obscure Guitar Question:
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> Date my Dobro! What's she worth?
|> |> 
|> 
|> Hmmmm...exactly how do you determine the sex of a Dobro? :-)
|> 
|> Jim


   By the f-holes!


   Doesn't anybody have any useful comments on this axe???????


   gompertz@sdd.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: "noah mintz" <noah.mintz@canrem.com>
Subject: quadraverb gt
Reply-To: "noah mintz" <noah.mintz@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:49:52 EST

In response to ATIKAINEN's message:.
.
i've been using my Q-GT for about 1 month now. it's a great unit but i'm
far off from figuring it out. at first i tried this set up:
Q-gt input -- guitar
q-gt effects output -- to amp
amp effects out -- to q-gt effects input
q-gt output -- amp effects loop in
.
what this accomplished was this:
guitar - Qgt preamp - preamp - Qgt digital - poweramp - speaker
this sounded great untill i used the overdrive channel on my amp which
seemed to overload everything and i got this high pitched digital noise
which wasn't comming from my guitar.
.
next i used the Q-gt before my amp. that was o.k but when i used
overdrive from my amp it lost its brilliance.
.
now i use it in my effects loop and i don't use the preamp at all on the
Q-gt which seems to defeat the point of buying a GT.
if i do use the preamp this way i can totally write off using my amps
overdrive, and since i like tube distortion too much i can't do that.
.
anyways i use my Q-GT with an Art X-15 midi foot controller. it has two
built in continuious controllers. it works great with the Q-gt.
.
i think i haven't help you at all but this is the first time i've talked
to another Q-GT owner. Maybe we can help each other out, or if anyone
else is reading this they can give us some advice.
.
happy
-noah
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: csi059@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Sandman)
Subject: Guitar for sale
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:47:42 GMT


Kramer 610ST, Floyd Rose pick-ups. Metallic colour, as new. Also hard case,
practice amp and leads.

All for #200.

If you are interested please email me.



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From: rthomas@terapin.com (Richard Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What new innovation, software or products do you want to see?
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:16:09 PST
Organization: BBS

How many newsgroups did you post this in anyway?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Carl Brewer)
Subject: Re: Neck adjustment advice needed
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:44:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.203042.16270@cs.ucla.edu> pickle@fantasie.cs.ucla.edu (Patrick Madden) writes:
>  The neck on my '88 Fender Tele looks like it is a little warped: when I
>put a ruler along the frets with one end at the first fret and the other
>around the 10th fret, it looks like I've got about 1/16" of gap at about
>the 6th fret, maybe a little more.  The frets themselves are flat and even,

pet nit pick, this is a bend, *NOT* a warp.  Warp is where a twist 
is in the neck, and is very serious,  bend is a perfectly normal 
phenomenon (pardon my spelling, I'm a bass player  :) )

>so I think this should be a pretty good measure of the neck itself.
>In general, it looks like the neck is bending like a bow, but not twisting.
>
>  Is this normal, or should I adjust the truss rod?  I use fairly heavy
>strings, so there's probably more tension than in a typical setup.

depends on your playing style, some people like an overbowed neck (ie
slihgtly concave to the string side), others are fanatical about a 
dead flat neck.

>
>  If I do need to adjust the truss rod, which direction do I turn the
>allen wrench--looking from the headstock down the neck, do I go
>clockwise or counter-clockwise, and how many turns would be expected?
>Should I do this with strings on or off?

do it with the strings on, otherwise, you're adjusting the bend with no
idea of how far you're doing it 
(ovbviosly, given this ctriteria, the strings should be close to 
tuned in too ...)




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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mwarren@ho03.eng.ua.edu (Michael S. Warren)
Subject: drum tracker
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 12:08:24 GMT


Does anyone know of any program out there (shareware if possible)
that would allow me to create my own drum tracks..
I have a soundblaster, and have played some .mod files, and they
seem to have some pretty good drum beats.

I was wanting to create my own tracks, and play along to help
get the beat down, plus it'd sound pretty cool I think :)

Any help is appreciated

mwarren@ho03.eng.ua.edu

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: Re: What is MIDI?
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:38:39 GMT

In article <IKEDA.93Jan7145633@thyme.ohara.info.waseda.ac.jp> ikeda@ohara.info.waseda.ac.jp (Satoshi Ikeda) writes:

>MIDI stands for Music Instrumental Degital Interface.
>And, it decides the standard. 
>For example, the transport rate of degital signals is 38400 bit / second,
>you must send the binary code 90H 3cH 40H to instruments to make C sound.

Not to be too picky, but the data rate above (38400) is incorrect for MIDI;
If I remember correctly, it's 31250. Also, not clear from the above sentence,
the data rate is unrelated to the NOTE ON message used to sound a note on
a MIDI device.

Robert

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DISCLAIMER:
    Opinions contained herein are my own, and are not necessarily those
    of Ungermann-Bass.
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Subject: Re: Tuning Trouble
Reply-To: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:11:58 GMT

In article <kfGio=e00WBKQ1Vrl1@andrew.cmu.edu>, Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>This just drives me nuts. I've been playing guitar for several years
>(though I just recently picked it up again) and I've had this recurring
>problem with tuning. I seem to have the strings properly tuned, but then
>the chords sound like fecal matter. I'm using a pitch pipe as a
>reference point.
>
>Anyone out there have a foolproof way to get the guitar in tune? I don't
>think it's the guitar. I've had three in my time, a Telecaster, a Yamaha
>acoustic and a Charvel, and I'm always running into this tuning thing.
>
>What's the best method for tuning? Pitch pipe? Pitch fork? How 'bout
>those electronic tuners?
>

Well, you can't really miss with an electronic tuner. If your open chords sound fine, but your bar chords sound like sh*t at the high frets, it could be your intonation. Make sure the bridge is well adjusted. To check for this, pick a harmonic (12th fret) on a string, then pick that same string while fretting the 12th fret. The harmonic and the fretted note should be the same. If one is higher than the other, you need to get your saddle bridge adjusted
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: guy@harlqn.co.uk (Guy Snape)
Subject: Buying a guitar: US vs UK
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:55:18 GMT

Hi.

I live in England, and want to buy a new acoustic guitar in the near
future, probably spending about 400 pounds sterling ($700 US approx).
I have seen a few guitars I like within my price range, particularly a
Washburn.

I hope to visit the States sometime this spring.  Can anyone tell me
if guitars are substantially cheaper over there?  Will I have to pay
large amounts of export/import duty when I leave?

Any advice or thoughts on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
Please post, or mail me directly.

TIA

Guy


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: walagerw@cs.vu.nl (Lagerweij WA)
Subject: Re: Patrick Eggle's Brian May signature model?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:17:36 GMT

jonathan@mantis.co.uk (Jonathan Egre') writes:
: The December (?) issue of the British guitar magazine "Guitarist" had an 
: interview with Brian May in which this was mentioned.  Is this your source?
No, but it was my source's source (the source being the QMS), I tried
finding that magazine here in Holland, but haven't been able to,
thanks for the info.

Wouter.

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From: mvcjp@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.j.pouliot)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Boiling Strings
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:18:36 GMT
Organization: AT&T


	Hi - There's been some talk about boiling strings lately. I can't for
		the life of me see why anyone would even bother! Number one,
		even on a budget, strings are fairly inexpensive, especially
		with the bulk discounts that most music catalogs (ex: Musicians
		Friend) provide. And with the tension/release action of taking
		them off and putting them on again, the life is shortened by a
		large factor. Personally, and this seems to crop up in a lot of
		interviews with guitarists, I know that aged strings provide a
		more mellow tone for both top-40 as well as rock raunch. Face
		it, a string's life of being bright and snappy sounding is 
		very short lived. 

		On the acoustic side, yes, I readily admit that the B&S sound
		is preferred for both sound as well as the fact that clean, new
		strings have much more precise intonation. Did you ever notice
		how hard it is to tune old strings? They don't vibrate in the
		same places anymore (so to speak).

		Finally, YES, boiling does work. I'm a guitar player, but I 
		also play bass, and I'm not going to shell out a small fortune
		for a fresh set of Rotosounds (or similar) just for the
		occasional funky slap sound. So I boil them when I think they
		need it and I have the time. They have to get up to temperature
		with the water, they shouldn't be doused into boiling water all
		at once - let them sit and stew at least 15-20 minutes and
		you'll be amazed at the slime and crud on the insides of the 
		pot or pan. Be prepared to steel-wool the pan. By the way, I'm
		someone who habitually wipes off the strings after I play, so
		the grunge isn't an unusual amount. After the boil, rinse them
		in cold water (just so you can handle them) and wipe them dry.
		(At least with bass strings...) When you put them back on, 
		they will sound like new. I've never broken even a 'G' string
		on a bass (not sure of the gauge) after about 5 boils.

				Good luck on guitar string!
						- Charlie
,
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: dv@oahu.linus.mitre.org (Dimitri Vorona)
Subject: Re: Lesson of the week
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
	<1993Jan7.211924.11241@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Distribution: alt.guitar
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:57:54 GMT

Sure, I like your idea of a few people teaching different things, I
have lots of experience in playing/ writing/ theory/ etc, so each
person picks what they are good at.  You can decide on what you
would like to see in terms of lesson types, and then if you want we
should decide on who teaches what, I will pick one of these and see
how it goes.  Someone should organize this out...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Nut loose on Ovation
From: winer@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Adam Winer)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:37:13 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

The nut on my Ovation is completely loose.  String tension is
enough to keep it from dropping off, but it moves around,
throwing the guitar completely out of tune.  I was thinking
of just using a couple drops of Krazy Glue to keep it in
place, but I wasn't sure if this was a bad idea or not.

So, does anyone out there know exactly what I should do?

Thanks,
Adam

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From: css1rs@gondor.mcs.surrey.ac.uk (Russell Smithers)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: FAQ
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:18:29 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I expect you're all getting a bit annoyed with the lack of a FAQ, but now things
are quiter (for the time being anyway) I shall start writing a FAQ, I will post
question's in the neer future and I will state if it is for the FAQ I am writing
, I would realy like to do a good FAQ so any input would be great, I'll post an
initial FAQ soon, but it will be small, this will help me sort out the format.
From: eliot@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Eliot Miranda;W211)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: GR-50 Vs GR1
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:59:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1993Jan8.161146.12926@bnr.ca> stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur) writes:


>I've been looking into getting a Gr1. However, a guy I know is selling his
>GR-50, Sequencer (CakeWalk), Midi Adapter and pickup for the third of the price of the GR1.

>I want to know  if the GR-50's tracking is as good as the GR1. I read
>the review on the GR1 in this group (well written by the way...). How do the sounds compare with the two Synth?

I have both and would dearly love to sell my GR-50 for 300 pounds!
The GR-50's tracking is certainly not as good as the GR-1's, however, its not
bad.  But its good only playing the internal sound module.  When going out to
MIDI the GR-50 is acceptable for single note stuff, and apalling for chords.
Chords are smeared, even if both patch chromatic and 'midi out chromatic' are
switched on.

The sounds in the GR-50 are D20 sounds.  I like the Rhodes and Thumb Bass but
generally the sounds are thin & very synth-like.  The GR-1's sounds are much
much better.  However, the GR-50 is programmable.  The GR-1 allows only limited
editing, ADSR envelope generator & effects, no new sounds.

It seems to me that the guy is offering a good deal if you're new to guitar
synthesis and want to muck about.  But if you're after high quality sounds and
need good MIDI performance then you need the GR 1.

Any offers for my GR 50, boxed, including manuals but excluding GK 2, excellent
condition, 1 year old, home use only?
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