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From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Tasa-arvopuheet ovat osoittautuneet korulauseiksi
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:22:56 GMT

In article <By2J3G.4AF@news.chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se 
(Bertil Jonell) writes:

  >Additionally I still ask Jarmo Ryyti to write to talk.politics.middle-east 
  >and soc.culture.jewish and ask them if they agree that Sweden is as bad
  >as the Nazis.

  Come on, what's supposed to be the point of this? Going on and on about how
silly it is to compare X to Nazi Germany is almost as silly as the comparison
itself.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: The krona floats...
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:24:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.101959.10713@kth.se> bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se 
(Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden) writes:

  >True enough. Now we only have to keep track of a two-digit inflation rate,
  >and a few quarrels between different labour unions saying things like 'Since
  >you got a 13% wage increase, we demand 14%!'.

  So what? What's a bit of inflation between friends?
From: txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Trevor Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Addresses of companies in Sweden
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Trevor Lyall)
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh


Hello,
	 I'm trying to get a job in Sweden after I graduate and I
would be grateful if somebody could possibly give me the addresses of
the following companies :

	Philips (Stockholm)
	Sun MicroSystems
	Logica

 Thanks very much for your time.

-Trev.

PS. If you know of any other companies that could possibly have
openings for software engineers then I would be grateful for any help
that you can give, cheers.

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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Denmark to the Arctic Sea! (was Re: The Finns,...)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:30:30 GMT


I sort of hoped that this subject meant "Throw Denamrk into the Arctic
Sea", especially after the danish women's handball team beat Norway in
our "FM-cup" today, and won it.

Rather unjust - Denmark won 23-22, but Norway beat Denmark 21-12 at
thursday, so on aggregate..... :-)

(BTW : Congratulations, Denmark. You've got a good team.)


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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Studentorkestrar (was: M.A. Numminen)
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:26:10 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

me...

>>live at Turku University. From the recording location and the sound I
>>seriously suspect that our M.A. was at the time backed by no other combo
>>than the infamous Axelbandet. True/false?

hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)...

>Does Axelbandet still exist?  How about K}rsdraget?

Student orchestras never die, they just start to smell funny... Yes, both bands
still exist - and so do Hornboskapen, who will celebrate their *150th* anniversary
next year.

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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:44:40 GMT

Bob Hammarberg writes:
>John Dryselius TG/HB writes:

>>The affair was solved by NF (1921?)

> This was the first time the League's principles were put to 
>the test - and the league failed the test miserably.

But what about the demilitarisation? Was it the russians who demanded
that, like I seem to remember from school?

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From: watson@sce.carleton.ca (Stephen Watson)
Subject: Re: English text to Swedish accented English text program wanted
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:48:26 GMT

mortenk@dhhalden.no (MORTEN KNUDSEN) writes:
>I get a 'Unknown symbol: _yywrap' when compiling with 'cc -ll -o'. Anybody 
>know why?

And someone replied "RTF lex M".  It doesn't mention yywrap, and how would
you know what to define it AS?

I just commented-out the offending line in lex.yy.c  Seems to work OK.
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| The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on   |
| this group for the past month.  Not only is it not Carleton's opinion, it's |
| not even *my* opinion: it's really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions!   |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Home language - native language
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:29:45 GMT

In article <HAAVARDF.92Nov20181848@gluon.uio.no> haavardf@gluon.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng) writes:

>In article <nkjrm.28@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:

>   First one should make a distinction between countries with only one
>   official language like Sweden and Denmark (I know nothing about the latter)
>   and countries which are officially multilingual like Finland (Swedish and
>   Finnish) and Norway (bokmaal and nynorsk). On purpose, I do not discuss
>   languages like the Saami languages, Tornedal and Finnskog Finnish, German (
>   in Slesvig) nor Romani(Gypsy language) which are all native languages in 
>   Scandinavia but which have had a weak official status if any at all.

>Bokmaal and nynorsk are *not* different languages. They are two different
>orthographic/grammatic standards for written Norwegian.

>Also, I vaguely seem to remember that people with sami as their mother tongue
>are entitled to conduct their correspondense with the authorities in sami.
>(I could be wrong about this, though.)


>H}vard Fosseng

You are correct. Bokmaal and nynorsk may be said to be two "language 
norms" and each one allows much more individual flexibility than 
does standard Swedish. It is also correct that Sami (Saami? What is the 
correct form in English?) can be used in official correspondence, at least 
where in areas where it is a native language. If someone insists on using it 
here in Bergen he will cause a lot of trouble.

I have read somewhere that there are at least three groups of Saami dialects
or languages spoken in Sweden and Norway and that they are not mutually 
understandable. It seems to be "North Saami" which has this official 
recognition in Norway. The other kinds are "Lule Saami" and "South Saami".

The bokmaal-nynorsk division makes Norwegian language politics very
different from those of Sweden. I believe this has influenced recent
policies as regards Saami (also, there are more Saami in Norway than in 
Sweden). Countries which already have a plurality of language norms may
end up treating the native languages of immigrants in a different way
from those who don't, and this may explain differences in legal terminology.

In practise, however, immigrants and minorities continue to be immigrants 
and minorities and are never automatically taken care of. Finland has 
quite a spotty record in its treatment of foreign nationals. I know a
person with a Hong Kong British passport with permanent residence in 
Norway who had to wait 6 weeks in order to get a visa for a 2-day stay
in Finland on the way to China by the Trans-Siberian railroad. She 
travelled together with Scandinavian friends and had to start planning for 
going Stockholm-Leningrad by plane in case she did not get the visa in time.
This was in 1987. 

Rolf Manne
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: J*rmo Ryyti the economics professor (was Swedish crown is floating)
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.060435.14322@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Well, it happened as I told, swedish crown is devaluated, by letting
>it "float" on international currency markets.

Technically, what happened was not a devaluation, although it in the 
short run is indistinguishable from a devaluation.

However, must of us thought that your forecast was for the 
end-of-september. In that case you were wrong! :-)

>I also wrote that the next "victim" will be norwegian crown and I repeat,
>sell your norwegian crowns as soon as possible. The sooner the better.

What about Danish crowns, Irish pounds, Portugese esqudos and Spanish 
pesetas?

If I had the same opinion about my native country as J*rmo has about 
his, I would probably write "When Sweden coughs, Europe get pneumonia" 
or "When Sweden floats, other sink" :-) or something like that. But I won't. 

>You know these national economies are so bound and have so many ties that
>when Finland devaluates , lets the her currency to float, Sweden has
>to follow.

That's bullshit! If you take a closer look at the last 15 years you find 
a lot of Swedish devaluations - domestic inflation and wage-increase 
caused them (at least to a first approximation), not Finnish 
devaluations. You seem to have a problem in appreciating the importance 
of Finland... :-)

>Bank of Sweden stubbornly did not believe
>this and "burned" milliards of crowns for supporting crown, all in vain.

I'm not so sure about that. They took up large loans in ECU, to a lower 
interest rate than that which existed in Sweden, which should be 
profitable!? Of course, the economy as a whole was damaged by the high 
interest rates. But I'm in favour of a little chock terapy now and then, 
if I'm not affected by it personally... :-)

>You know in a short run it had been good for Finland if Sweden had not
>devaluated because Finland is exporting at this moment more than ever in her
>history

I'm sure the 15%? 20%? 25%? unemployed in Finland agree with you! :-(

Tomas
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From: rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:26:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Ethnicals ... (was Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

In soc.culture.nordic, d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:

> 	*	                                                  	*
> 	* 	THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST SPEAKING FINNISH IN SWEDEN	*
> 	*	                                                  	*

Is there any truth to the rumor that:

      FINNISH SPEAKING FINNS NEVER FINISH SPEAKING FINNISH?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Subject: Re: The Finns of Sweden
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:02:39 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:49:33 GMT, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) said:

> You also may explain why forest-burning was banned in W{rmland on Finnish
> areas and what followed when the Finns did not obey. You may know if
> you are an expert on the issue.

I may be wrong, but I think forest burning is illegal in Finland too.
Why should have it been legal in Sweden?

-heikki
From: kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Re:Alcoholism in Scandinavia
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:45:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Nov21.182555.16178@pellns.alleg.edu>,
booserm@reis53.alleg.edu (Marcia Booser) wrote:
> 
> 
> Talk about alcoholism in Scandinavia...  Come visit an American college or  
> university.

Which one's the best?


Kjell the Brave
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Tasa-arvopuheet ovat osoittautuneet korulauseiksi
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:15:27 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov23.093849.2723@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Torkel Franzen (torkel@sics.se) wrote:
>: In article <By2J3G.4AF@news.chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se 
>: (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>: [about the Jarmo-phenomena]
>
> [Jarmos usual diatribe]

  A while ago somebody claimed that Jarmo wasn't comparable to a certain
net.villain called Hasan B Mutlu.

  One distinguishing feature of Mutlu is that when he is debated on for example
the admin groups, he makes followups to these articles where he goes on as 
usual about the nasty Armenians who enginered a gencide on themselves to hide
their genocide of the Turks.

  Since Jarmo now have started using the same technique, I belive the 
comparision have become justified to some degree. The day we find Jarmo in
10+ newsgroups he will have become totally comparable.

+bertil+
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From: Espen J. Vestre <espen@coli.uni-sb.de>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:53:39 GMT
Organization: Computerlinguistik, Universitaet des Saarlandes
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In article <kjell-201192154157@g0-mac2.ekti.chalmers.se> Kjell Siimon,
kjell@emke.chalmers.se writes:
>> While we are at it; I think the picture of the screaming Swedish
drunkard,
>> unable to control himself, in contrast to the cultivated
"beer-country" person
>> is a myth. Haa anybody ever been abroad and seen drunk Englishmen or
Germans ?
>
>
>
>May I just remind you about the last European Fotball Championship.
>You didn't have to go abroad then to see drunk Englishmen, nor Germans.
>You could watch them on your own TV, demolating the centre of Malmoe.

Maybe the football hooligans really are "serious travellers", taking the
culture of the country they visit really seriously ;-)?

To answer the original question:  Of course I've seen a lot of drunk
Germans in Germany.  Some of them even try to drive cars.  On the other
hand, it's _very_ uncommon in Saarbruecken (but not in Oslo) to see, on a
friday afternoon, teenagers crawling on the street, puking.  And of
course, it's very uncommon to get drunk even before you go to town.  If
you thought Vorspiel was a german word, you're right, but I've _never_
heard it been used with its norwegian semantics intended :-)
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From: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Subject: Re: Looking for a relative phone number in Stockholm
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Organization: You must be kidding!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:54:06 GMT

In article <LHE.92Nov18090344@yang.sics.se> of soc.culture.nordic,
  lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:
> 
> 1) 0760 is an area code in itself. You should not put the Stockholm
>    area code (0)8 before it when you dial. Actually, 0760 numbers are not
>    in Stockholm, but in Marsta or Sigtuna, which are cities in the Stockholm
>    region.
> 
> 2) The 0760 area code has been abandoned and all numbers within that area
>    have been changed and put into the 08 area. The number change (in this
>    particular case) involves putting 591 in front of the number. I.e. you
>    should dial 46 8 591 176 37. The reason for this change is to make all
>    phones in the greater Stockholm area have the same area code, avoiding
>    the kind of confusion illustrated by point (1) above.
> 

An eight-digit phone number in Sweden?  Really?  What can happen when you
are gone for four and a half years... what's going to be next?  Split up
the regulatory and business parts of Televerket?  ;-)

Furthermore, you will need to put the International Prefix before this, in
the USA it is 011 (01 if using a credit card).  So you would dial:

Normal:		011 46 8 591 176 37
Credit card:	01 46 8 591 176 37 # <boing> XXX XXX XXXX XXXX
Using AT&T:	10288 011 46 8 591 176 37

etc ad nauseam...

NB: At school I have to call AT&T's 800 number to place a credit card call.  I
end up dialling no less than *40* digits and a # to complete a call to my
family in Sweden:

	9 1-800-XXX-XXXX 2 1 01-46-21-XXXXXX # XXX-XXX-XXXX-XXXX

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From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Finns of Norway
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:34:45 GMT

There is a lot of noise on the net about the bad treatment of the Finns
of Sweden, but there is no mention of the Finnish settlements in Norway.
I looked up the subject in a rather small encyclopedia (ett-bindsleksikon)
yesterday. This is what I found:

There are Finnskog (Finn Forest) areas in south-eastern Norway adjoining
those in Sweden (Vaermland county). My encyclopedia tells that the
settlement started in the 1570's in previously uninhabitated forests.
What I really didn't know was that there were Finnish settlers as far west
as Baerum, Asker and Lier, which are communes to the west of Oslo. Today, 
Baerum and Asker are suburbs of Oslo but as those who know Oslo know, the
wilderness still begins within city limits. 
 
There is no mention how long Finnish was spoken in these 
areas. It is certain, however, that the Finnish language is gone today. 

Norway has a Finnmark county, but the name "Finn" does not refer to
Finns but to Saami. Question: Did the word Finn originally have a different
meaning, like "foreign", compare the Welsh (originally
meaning foreign)? In Finnmark the Finnish-speaking people are called 
Kvens (kvener). This word was first used denoted Finnish travelling salesmen 
fromfurther south. The Kven settlement started in the 18th century, and most
immigration was in the middle of the 19th. The last time Kvens were listed
as a separate ethnic group was in the census of 1930. There were about
7800 of them then. According to my encyclopedia Kvens intermarried
with Saami and Norwegian people, and most have changed language as well.
- The same holds for a large part of the "Coast Saami" (kystsamer) who
were not reindeer herders and where whole communities switched to Norwegian
in the period between the world wars.

While I am at it, I may tell that there was also a substantial Swedish
immigration to Norway in the period 1880-1920. This was from Western Sweden 
to the newly industrialized areas in South-east Norway. Some also came to 
build railways. These people were very fast assimilated. You see some 
Swedish names in the telephone-book, that is all.

Rolf Manne
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Keskustelua suomalaisten asemasta Ruotsissa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:52:47 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <hberg.207@polisci.umn.edu>, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob
Hammarberg) wrote:
> In article <1992Nov16.084221.25198@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> >Mielest{ni, tosin vain omasta mielest{ni,Ruotsin vertaus Nazi-Saksaan ei ole 
> >kaukaa haettu. Ruotsissa on vain yksi kieli nostettu {idinkielen asemaan
> >muiden yl{puolelle -ik{{nkuin kaikkien muiden yl{puolella olevaksi
> >"arjalaiseksi" hienoksi kieleksi. Kaikki muut kielet ovat alempia, niit{
> >kutsutaan kotikieliksi. Saksassa harjoitettiin samantyyppist{ politiikka
> >30-luvulla. Suomella on asiassa puhtaat paperit, Ruotsilla ei. 
> >Siksik| ruotsalaiset reagoivat henkil|kohtaisilla loukkauksilla.
> >Ehk{ syyn{ on se, ett{ he haluavat n{hd{ ongelmat vain muualla, ei
> >liian l{hell{, omassa pes{ss{.
> A translation for you slobs who haven't bothered to learn Finnish:
> 
> "In my opinion, my personal opinion to be sure, the comparison of Sweden to 
> Nazi Germany is not far fetched.  In Sweden only one language is elevated 
> above all others to the status of mother-tongue - as if it were a superior 
> "Arian" language.  All other languages are inferior; they are called home 
> languages.  In Germany, the same kind of policies were pursued during the 
> 30s.  Finland's conscience is clear in this respect; Sweden's isn't.  That's 
> why the Swedes reacted with personal insults.  Perhaps the reason is that 
> they want to see the flaws in others, but not close to home, in their own 
> nest."

Why doesn't he dare to state his opinion in a language that everyone
understands, such as English? Personally I'm started to get really
tired of all these banal language wars. The whole issue is very
much out of the proportions just now. Most 'Nordics' appreciate 
the other countries and its languages. Jarmo is trying to create 
an issue that doesn't really exist. Sigh. Could a Finn living
in Sweden for instance comment about how it feels to live in 
Sweden with no apparent access to the Finnish language? It's
been 5+ years since I last lived in Sweden, so I don't have the
actual touch of reality any longer (anyway, I didn't suffer).


Kent
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From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Subject: Re: Help with homebrew translation
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:00:45 GMT

Jyrki writes:

>(Real Men make their sahti out of pure raw materials, not extract.)

As a homebrewer who loves to see (and sometimes try) unusual recipes,
I would love to see your recipe!  Please Post!

Rick C.
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