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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: CallForDiscussion: A*BETTER* HP95LX?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:50:35 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct7.150618.1160@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams) writes:

>HP95 uses characters that are 5x7 is a matrix that is 6x8.  This is
>the smallest usable character format I know of.  You seem to think
>that you can produce readable characters (the *entire* code page 850
>set, remember!) with characters only 3 pixels wide, with one pixel
>space between!  Show me such a character set and I'll eat the next set
>of batteries that come out of my '95.  "Effortlessly" display 80x8 in

Well, there are several programs on the old Atari 8 bit and Commodore
64 machines that would do 80x24 characters in 320x192 pixels.  Two of
them for the Atari are SpeedScript-80, a word processor and VT-10^2, a
VT-100 terminal emulator.  You can see the programs for yourself at
atari.archive.umich.edu:/atari/8-bit/{Editors,Telecomm}.  I've used
both programs and the text is quite readable, although certain
characters like "m" and "n" look rather similar.  Good thing alkaline
batteries now have low mercury content, eh? :-)  Seriously, doing the
entire CP 850 set would be difficult, perhaps impossible, without
arbitrary symbols.  As I noted before, at least one person has already
written such dense text software for the HP.  There are packages
for the old TRS-80 Model 100 that got up to 60 columns in a display
about the same as the HP's.

>One of my major beefs is how lame the terminal emulator is.  The

Try MS-Kermit, it works fine from what I've heard.  Older versions
like 2.30 are only about 85KB while 3.xx is over 150KB.

>ABSOLUTELY NOT!  This is a pocket computer.  It can not get any
>bigger!  If you want a better keyboard, buy a ZEOS or Gateway
>sub-notebook.

Right, if I can't carry it everywhere, I can't use it.

>A built in programming language would also be nice.  A custom GWBASIC,
>with access to Jaguar graphics and system manager functions, would be
>quite acceptable.  This would make it possible to hack up SM compliant
>apps directly on the machine!

Sparcom has a special Basic with these features.
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From: ralph_butler@ppd-smtp.az05.bull.com (Ralph Butler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: HP95 Connectivity Pack
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:29:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I have a brand new connectivity pack for the HP95 to hook up to an IBM type PC
(HP F1001#255#A)

I would like to trade this for a Macintosh connectivity pack.  Could any of you
help me out and make a deal?
R:-)B
From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: Re: Panic on HP-95
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:57:07 GMT
Organization: MDGAC
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops

In article <18068@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, beard@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu
(Patrick C. Beard) wrote:
> 
> Man. I followed the instructions in the MSDOS appendix, and placed the
> following line in my CONFIG.SYS file:
> 
> SHELL=COMMAND/P
> 
> I typed it in in Memo, and put a CR/LF after it. I rebooted and now it
> says "Bad or missing Command Interpreter". Nuts. Can I do anything short
> of hard reset?
> 
> I need my appointment book!
> 
Sorry Dude!.....
You didnt put the line in right.....

It should be "SHELL=COMMAND.COM /P" and YA GOT TO HAVE THE SPACE BETWEEN
the M and the /.......

It looks like you got to reformat.....  Get Zip and the batch file to do
backups quickly and do them regularly..... Sorry....  That's the tradeoff
for low pwr and size....
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Palmtops w/ C&T's PC/Chip?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:46:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <6033@news.duke.edu> cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung) writes:
>Does anyone know of any palmtops that use C&T's PC/Chip?  I know that  
>there are several sub-notebooks that use the microprocessor, but no  
>palmtops.  Also, does anyone have any info on the upcoming Intel/VLSI  
>joint venture for a 386 on a chip?

The Abstract R&D palmtops use the C&T 8680 PC/Chip.  Here's their
spec sheet.

You can can contact them via email at abstract_rd@cup.portal.com.

Product Specifications

Processor		F8680 (Chips & Technology Inc.),  16 bit 14 Mhz clock speed

Memory		1MB RAM
			2MB to 4MB DIP ROM
			1 MBDIP EPROM slot
		
Power			3 AA Alkaline or Rechargeable Nicad batteries
			Battery life ???
			A/C adaptor included
			Auto Suspend/Resume

Display		            CGA LCD screen
			7.2" diagonal size
			80 character x 25 lines, 640 x 200 pixel resolution		

Keyboard		Full feature/QWERTY layout, 77 keys
			Standard function and arrow keys

I/O Ports		1 Seial  standard DB5 (cables included)
			1 Parallel  standard DB25 (cables included)
			1 External key board connector (adaptor required???)

IC Card Drive	             1 PCMCIA drive (1 128K IC card included???)

Software		MS-DOS 5.0, MS Works, PIM???
in ROM 		(Communication, Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Data Base)

Size			9.2" x 4.8" x 1.2", 1.5 lbs.



	Unique among palmtop PCs, we have engineered the LC-8600 to give you the best possible performance, compatibility, utility and flexibility, all at an affordable price.





	
		Complete Solution
	
Buy the LC8600, turn it on, and start to use it.  Designed to be a turnkey, consumer oriented system.  The LC-8600 brings  the idea of comvenience and completeness to the PC users.

Ultimate connectivity

The LC-8600 is ready to transfer files to/from PCs.  Compatible to all standard off-the-shelf devices, ie. fax, modem, printer, floppy, hard disk, mouse, external keyboard...

Speed

The F8680 PC/CHIP is a highly integrated processor, executing 16-bit operations at speeds up to 14 Mhz.  LC8600 performs three to five times faster than existing 80C88 based palmtops.
	
Designed for customization

1 MB EPROM slot available to install cusomized software.  Abstrace R&D is positioned to work with VARs and OEMs.

Superior Power Management

The LC8600 brings a difficult technology of battery rechargeablility to the consumers.  An environmentally sound alternative for the computing generation. 

To conserve power and maximize battery life, we've given the LC-8600, screen auto suspend/resume, ability to switch processing speed, and ability to recharge Nicad when using the AC adapter.
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Error on 95 when running CHKDSK
Date: 16 Oct 1992 20:05:17 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct16.180829.15517@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>Anyways, when I run CHKDSK.EXE on my Jag, I get the message

>If I say 'Y' it tries to convert those chains to files but fails.

Try "chkdsk /f", this is just one of the many brain damaged things in
MS-DOS.  It should be more clear what not supplying "/f" does, although
it's certainly useful that it reports what it would do if "/f" were
there.  The message means that there is one cluster (512 bytes I think)
that is currently allocated but not attached to a file.  If you're like
me, you desperately need even one more cluster :-).  You might also
find some data you wanted back in the "fileXXXX" files chkdsk creates,
otherwise just delete it.

I wonder if this should be in the FAQ, let me know.
--
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From: gldsmth@bloomfield.uchicago.edu (John Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: PCMCIA Ethernet card
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:01:41 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I have a zeos pocket pc, and just bought a 2 meg pcmcia 2.0
card, and can attest it doesn't work.  zeos then acknowledged
that it can only handle 1.0 cards, for now; they're working
on upgrading their bios.
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: still WANTED: Sub-Notebook or low-end lightweight notebook
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:15:58 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.


In article <81674@ut-emx.uucp> phj@gestalt.austin.tx.us (Patricia Ju)  
writes:
> I'm still looking for sellers of sub-notebooks or smallish notebooks.
> Speed isn't important nor is graphics capabilities.  I'll be using
> it for text entry (lots of it) so a typeable keyboard (no chiclet
> keys) would be nice.  Modem/communications if not already installed
> must be available somewhere.

You might want to take a look at Radio Shack's "Portable Word Processor".
Really a TRS-80 model 10x but in a very thin case, it has the basic 
functionality you want and runs a long time on batteries.  About $300
as I recall.

John
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From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Panic on HP-95
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:54:31 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <Cohena-131092160200@l30346.mdc.com> Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen) writes:
>In article <18068@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, beard@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu
>(Patrick C. Beard) wrote:
>> 
>> Man. I followed the instructions in the MSDOS appendix, and placed the
>> following line in my CONFIG.SYS file:
>> 
>> SHELL=COMMAND/P
>> 
>> I typed it in in Memo, and put a CR/LF after it. I rebooted and now it
>> says "Bad or missing Command Interpreter". Nuts. Can I do anything short
>> of hard reset?
>> 
>Actually....there IS something you can do....
>If you can get to someone who also has an HP95 with a Ram card.....Use
>theirs to build a new CORRECTLY WRITTEN(!) config.sys file.  Put it on the
>RAM card and stick the RAM card into your 95 then restart ctl/alt/del.  The
>95 looks to the RAM card first so you can restart then TRASH the bad
>config.sys file on C:.  Then buy your own RAM card because they are some
>darn useful.

Or call EduCalc and shell out $12.95 for the HP-Demo ROM card...  You can boot
from it, right?


-- 
Paul B. Booth  (paul@eye.com)
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                                                             fax: (607)257-7335
From: jeff@vme.heurikon.com (Jeff Mattox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95 won't edit file w/ no ext
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:23:32 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@vme.heurikon.com (Jeff Mattox)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

In article <Bw15tG.540@fc.hp.com> cdb@fc.hp.com (Chuck Bade) writes:
>My HP95, running with 95buddy won't open a file if it doesn't have an
>extension.  Is this a 95buddy bug or an HP bug?

It's an HP bug.  The next release of 95BUDDY will fix it.  (A few weeks
away.)
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:28:50 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <19352@acorn.co.uk> asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith) writes:
>Can someone help.
>
>I have a new 95lx, but the screen assembly seems to wobble in reference to
>to keyboard assembly. By this I mean the joint on the left hand side of the
>screen keyboard clamshell seems to be loose. The right hand side is OK.
>
>Is this a normal problem? Do I return it?

The display hinge has only a clutch on the right hand of the display
for cost reasons, there is inevitably some wobble.  Apparently HP will
repair severe wobble if it is under warranty.

The wobble can also be fixed with this hack:
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Article: 3368 of comp.sys.palmtops
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: HP-95 Loose screen
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:26:00 GMT
Organization: MDSSC-Space Station
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Status: OR

A few months ago I posted this on COMP.SYS.Handhelds, but I couldnt get
access to here....  It may be time to repeat it anyway...maybe a good FAQ
candidate too.....

The cover on the HP 95 gets loose after a lot of use....a few months..... 
This is due to the fact that HP uses a clutch on the hinge on the right
side only.  While this doesnt hurt the HP95, it can be a pain since the
screen doesnt stay put and it feels real loose.....

Here's one solution that definately works....
Pull open the left side hinge cap (use your finges...no tools or you will
scratch your favorite toy) place both strands of a rubberband diagnolly
through the slit in the hinge... Stretch the rubberband to make the strands
thin and get them all the way in the slit. Release the rubberbands so the
strands expand the slit. Trim the rubberband with a razor so that the end
out the top of the hinge is fairly short so the cap can get back on, but
the other ends should stick out just a tiny bit.  Put the cap back on and
the two ends which stick out the front side of the slit should stick
between the cap and the hinge creating friction.  The screen will now seem
firm since the rubberband expands the internal hinge.  The friction caused
by the ends between the cap also keeps the screen where you want it at the
best reading angle for you.....

I did it to my trusty 512 months ago and the rubberband doesnt seem to be
wearing out at all..... it works great!

---------
>Secondly, is there anyway of doing a one key save from the applications?

95buddy has this feature, you can get it via anonmous ftp from
eddie.mit.edu.  You can also set up a user key (see Setup Char).

>Third, can you turn off the carriage return character in memo?

Not that I know of, although a patch might be possible.  I use Freyja
to avoid this and other problems of Memo.

>Finally is Derive 2.5 system manager compliant. I.e. can it be lauched from
>on of the blue keys, while other apps are running?

No.  One of the System Manager MS-DOS launcher programs might work though.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: can i do add-in (r)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:07:11 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

On the contrary, you can.  There are files that will allow you to convert
exe files that have been created with assorted C compilers.  These can be
gotten from ftp sites outside CompuServe.  For example, the e2m.exe program
converts a .exe into .exm by changing a few parameters inside the .exe file.

Bill
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: CallForDiscussion: A*BETTER* HP95LX?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:10:37 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Oct15.045635.7636@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>Yeah, 1-2-3 is one of the biggest eye-turners when I get out my little
>gadget too. I think that and the Grafi paint package get the biggest 
>oohs and aahhs...Which is actually kind of funny seeing as how Lotus is
>one of the apps I use the least....

I've only used it seriously about twice...but one of those times was to keep a
running tally at a local bond election. I had the spreadsheet set up in about
5 minutes, and from then on, it was just a matter of keying in numbers and
watching the totals change. There were a number of folks there who were amazed
that that little machine could do that much...
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
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From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: autodialing: keeping it simple.
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:29:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgistl.stlouis.sgi.com

Many people have commented about using a dialer/palmtop, whatever.
Although I LOVE gadgets (palmtops, calculators, laptops..), my
opinion is that when it comes to dialing, one should keep it simple.
Experience has proven to me that the fancier the autodialer, the more
difficult and convoluted the task is.  For instance, my list of
people to call is relatively short so my Portfolio only gets in the
way when it comes to dialing.  I use Sprint and is this 800 number +
a telephone number + a PIN number to dial (oh, what a pain).  How in
the world can this be kept simple?  (Don't worry, I'll tell you.)  I
use a Radio Schlock dialer with memory.  I DON'T need to "search" as
with the "LCD" or database type systems for each segment of the
sequence to be dialed and therefor there is little liklihood of a
timeout by Sprint.  On the RS dialer, all phone numbers on the dialer
are a two key combination with the exception of three  (quick access)
keys at the top.

There are two final and perhaps most important items.  If I lose my
dialer, it's only $25US and my notes are "encrypted" as to which
keys do what.  Also, using the dialer, my PIN number has little
chance of being picked up by the PIN number thieves that hang out
near transportation depots.
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: white@dmpe.csiro.au (robert white)
Subject: Re: autodialing with a palmtop or organizer?
Keywords: acoustic coupling, voice communications, rolodex, portfolio?
Organization: CSIRO. Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:48:54 GMT

In article <212@lord.UUCP> dei@lord.UUCP (Douglas E. Ivers) writes:
>I didn't get any response from my first posting, so I hope someone can
>help me...
>
>My number one desire for a palmtop/organizer is autodialing*.  The closest
>.......
>
>* autodialing in this case refers to using the palmtop's speaker, held up to
>the phone's microphone, to create the dial tones which initiate the call.
>
>
>Douglas Ivers
>-- 
>D. Ivers  the divers(e) one,                      dei@atvax.lord.com 
>who seeks to know the Holy One.	 

You can run a program called Dialtone on the HP95LX that will do this
for you.

I have a question too, I cannot unzip WEEKABK (a program to add features
toe the built in appointment program).  I got the program from eddie
several times, even got the original uuencoded posting.  I have triedc
to unzip it using two versions of un-zip and the zipper program(that I
got from eddie too)  The question is how do I sucessfully unzip this
program?

-- 
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Bayview Avenue, Clayton  3168, Victoria AUSTRALIA  03 541 1222
DISCLAIMER:  I have no authority to speak on behalf of the CSIRO.
I am responsible for what I say, not them.
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:29:59 GMT
Subject: Re: CallForDiscussion: A*BETTER* HP95LX?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

In comp.sys.palmtops, anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) asks:

> Perhaps the HP-99? will have a Hopper 2?  By the way, why is it called
> the Hopper?  Is it named after the Admiral?  (she's got a ship named
> after her just recently).

That's easy:  everything goes into it.  Now ask me why they call that other
chip the Kitchen Sink.


Regards
Ray Depew
purveyor of inane, irrelevant and useless information
Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: autodialing with a palmtop or organizer?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:54:32 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Keywords: acoustic coupling, voice communications, rolodex, portfolio?

In article <1992Oct15.034854.24921@dmpe.csiro.au> white@dmpe.csiro.au (robert white) writes:

>I have a question too, I cannot unzip WEEKABK (a program to add features
>toe the built in appointment program).  I got the program from eddie

I just got weekabk from eddie and had no problems unzipping it.  Are
you sure you transfered in binary in all the steps in getting it to
your MS-DOS machine?  You could also try getting an MS-DOS uudecoder.

Note that weekabk 3.7.5 has been released and will be on eddie as soon
as someone transfers it there.  The copy on the HP BBS is apparently
corrupted.  I'd be glad to put it on eddie if someone mails it to me.
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Error on 95 when running CHKDSK
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:08:29 GMT


Hmmm...this is kind of odd, even though I've had the problem for a while
(I am just *SO* behind on stuff)

Anyways, when I run CHKDSK.EXE on my Jag, I get the message
"Errors found, F parameter no specified. Corrections will not be written to
disk. 1 lost clusters found in 1 chains.
Convert lost chains to files?(Y/N)"

If I say 'Y' it tries to convert those chains to files but fails.
But that isn't really what I'm asking about I guess...What I really want to
know is does anybody have any idea whats going on here?---It doesn't appear
to affect the operation of the 95, as I've had this problem for a while and
it hasn't wiped anything. I *DID* have a crash a while back that I was able
to recover from by doing a soft reset, so I'm wondering if thats it. 

Any ideas guys?

Thanks,
----Steve
-- 
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"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: davis@aurs01.UUCP (Alan Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: autodialing with a palmtop or organizer?
Keywords: acoustic coupling, voice communications, rolodex, portfolio?
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:26:35 GMT
Reply-To: davis@aurw17.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Alan Davis)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <212@lord.UUCP> dei@lord.UUCP (Douglas E. Ivers) writes:
>I didn't get any response from my first posting, so I hope someone can
>help me...
>
>My number one desire for a palmtop/organizer is autodialing*.
> ...
>Doesn't the Portfolio have an analog speaker ...
...

The PF does have autodialing capability built in, dtmf can be generated
from within the address book, and there are utilities available on CI$
to to more sophisticated dialing as well.

The drawback's are : 
1.  Low volume, about 1/2 the time the phone won't pick up all of the
dtmf tones.  This is most prevalent with cheap digital phones. 

2.  It's awkward, at a pay phone try : juggling the PF with it's screen
up, the phone on your shoulder to check dial tone, put the required coins
into the phone, then hold the phone against the speaker (next to the screen)
and press the return key to autodial. Don't let the phone bounce against
the screen, the resulting click messes up the dtmf. If you have more than
one set of numbers to dial, waiting for a tone in between a la phone 
credit card you can pretty much hang it up. It's much easier to just 
read the numbers off the screen and punch them in.

As an alternative, there are dedicated phone dialers on the market with
memory and display for many numbers. Similar to the 'credit card phone
organizers', but with a dialer built in.



Alan Davis                      aur : davis@aurfs1
Alcatel Network Systems         BIX : adavis
adavis@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com  CIS : 72317,3661

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