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From: etzhadat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hydro Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Superleague
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:53:25 GMT
Organization: Institute Chaotique for Galactic Sewage Treatment

Here is my idea for a European-wide league.
Alright, you can call this a typical US marketing scheme, but I think this
is a workable plan

1. It would be one league of 32 teams.

	For the first year
1a. This year's Champions' Cup would decide the 32 nations to be represented
1b. The teams selected would be this year's league champions.
1c. The teams to go to next year's Champions' Cup will be the 2nd place
	teams

2. The teams would only play games against each other - no National
	League or cup games.
3. The 32 teams would be split into two divisions of 16 teams each.
4. The divisions would be split along geographic lines (East-West).
5. Each team would play every other team in its division twice (home &
	away) and each team in the opposite division once (divided evenly
	between home and away with the 8 home games randomly drawn)
	Thus each team would play 15h + 15a + 8h + 8a = 46 games.
6. The top teams from each division would play at the end of the year
	for the championship.
7. The bottom two teams in each division would be relegated.
8. The two teams that finished last would play in the next Champions' cup
	and compete in their National Leagues.
9. The two teams that finished second to last would have a random drawing to
	see who would go to the UEFA Cup and who the the Cup Winners' Cup.
10. The winners of the Cup Winners' Cup, the UEFA Cup, and the two teams
	that played for the of the Champions' Cup would be promoted.
11. The divisions might have to be slightly realligned.

I'll furthere admit I'm borrowing the idea of a play-off from US
sports in #6, where Europeans are more used to cup competitions with
random drawings and one league (regular season) league winner.

This league has the following advantages.
1. (Eventually) Presents a true European champion (whereas the present
	Champions' Cup is made of last years' winners and so is one
	year out of date.)
2. Keeps the present National Leagues and cups and Eur. cups intact.
3. Gives the European cups more meaning than money (promotion to Eur. League)
	and adds significance to national titles/cups.
4. It won't interfere with the current national schedules, and . . .
5. Teams in the European League will not play more games than other teams
	and hence the rich should not get (too much) richer.
6. Anyway, there's a method to infuse new blood by promotion/demotion similar
	to the way the National Leagues are set up, so . .
6a. No team would be guaranteed a permanent position and . . .
6b. In theory, any team, by its own merit can reach the European League.

My final argument why the time for this is come is that since Europe
seems poised to unite economically, why not unite in soccer too?!


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From: andreb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Andre Bergholz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The best defender in the world!
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:46:31 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Dec15.105304.15665@ugle.unit.no>, pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
|> In article <31112@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller) writes:
|> |> In article <Staalebj-141292112121@pc203.dhhalden.no>, Staalebj@dhhalden.no (Mr. Bjerkeng) writes:
|> |> |> The best defender in the world is without a doubt RUNE BRATSETH
|> |> 
|> |> RUNE BRATSETH?  Never heard!
|> |> 
|> |> -- 
|> |> 
|> |> Nelson Muller

|> Never heard?

Never heard?

|> Bratseth plays in Werder Bremen of Germany's  1. Bundesliga.
|> (Werder Bremen won this years UEFA cup.)

Werder Bremen won this years Cupwinners Cup.

Andre
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: St. Johnstone sack Totten ??!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:11:14 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Dec15.091648.13413@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> In article <Bz9C1K.Apu@trc.amoco.com> zamr11@hou.amoco.com writes:
> Yup, this is true and yet another example of Chairmen having an overflated
> opionion of themselves. Apparently they sacked him because of falling
> attendances, as it couldn't be his track record. He brought the club from the
> Second Division into the Premier and reached a Scottish Semi in that time.
> They have consolidated their position in the Premier League and reached the
> Skol Cup Semi this season.
> 
> As yet, no names have been mentioned as replacements.


	There must be a few Premier Division managers feeling very wary just 
now if the excuses about falling attendances and lack of progress are to be
believed.  The likes of Alex Miller at Hibs could well be next for the sack.
It's a shocker that Totten should get sacked after what he's achieved and it
wouldn't be surprising if St Johnstone followed the same route as Dunfermline.


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From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: [RESULT] Uruguay vs Germany
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:10:40 GMT

Hi !

Friendly in Montevideo today:

Uruguay  -  Germany   1:4
0:1 (41')  Buchwald
0:2 (60')  Moeller
0:3 (70')  Haessler
0:4 (79')  Klinsmann
1:4 (83')  Moran

Att. 30000 in Montevideo

Uruguay:
Siboldi - Gomez, D.Sanchez, Moas, Cabrera, Salazar, Gutierrez, Moran,
Saralegui (subbed by Garcia), Peletti, Guera

Germany:
Koepke - Thon, Helmer, Buchwald, Kohler, Zorc, Matthaeus, Doll, Moeller,
Haessler, Klinsmann

A reconstructed German team humiliated the home side in a game, that was
very nice to watch for German spectators - after that notorious Brasilian
disaster. With six players that did not start in Porto Alegre, Germany
dominated throughout the game. Moeller and Klinsmann were best players on
the field - Uruguay were playing without their top players from Europe
(Francescoli, Fonseca, Aguilera etc).




Merry X-mas and a Happy New Year !

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: top ten CLUB sides
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:24:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec15.155415.8178@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>
>1. Barcelona
>2. Milan
>3. Olympique Marseille
>4. PSV
>5. Ajax
>6. Torino
>7. Fiorentina
>8. Borussia Dortmund
>9. Paris Saint-Germain
>10.Anderlecht 

Not that there was much doubt, but here, Mischa, you've proven 
that you are incapable of giving anything -remotely- resembling
a realistic top ten list.  Sao Paulo just -won- the world club
championship, beating Barcelona, and you don't even have them 
in your top ten.  I'm surprised you didn't put PSV in the #1
spot.  Unbiased, of course.

Football -is- played outside of western Europe. 

>(Is it a coincidence they're all European?) 

No, it isn't.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky)
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:38:48 CST

In article <1992Dec12.164241.7699@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, andres@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Andres Lebaudy) writes:
> 
> Unfortunately for me, I haven't had the pleasure of seeing Pele play, so
> I'm in no position to make an argument for either side.  Even though I
> am a native of Argentina and hence, heavily biased towards the Maradona
> side, I'm willing to conceded that Pele was the better player.  However,
> you would have to be absolutely insane to take *one* Pele over *two*
> Maradona.  Pele would have to be at least twice as good as Maradona.
> This, I'm afraid, is simply impossible.


	Huh? *TWO* Maradonas in one team? They'll kill each other...

	:-)


 	I remember that once Maradona refused to play with Ramon 
	Diaz (sp?) on the national team.
       
 
> Andres


Noam
From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rules: foreign objects on field?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 02:34:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


Question for all those other Referees out there (opinions and personal beliefs
are great but lets get the facts):

What is the rule about foreign objects interferring with the play of the ball?

To further explain, here's an example:  Ball is going toward goal and before
it gets there it is hit by a beer bottle or rock or such thrown from a 
spectator.  Obviously no goal can be awarded since it never entered, but what
about the reverse?  Ball is deflected into goal by foreign object?

This was brought up in my ref class years back but I don't recall what was
said.  Seems to me play would go on as if ball hit off referee or such.  I'm
sure I could write CSA or Ref Assoc but this is so much quicker.

Thanks in advance, 

David
Ref, player, refs nightmare.
There's nothing more than a player who actually knows the rules and insists
on telling the ref exactly where in the book the law he/she just missed is
located, but i'd never do that.
From: victor@nodex.enet.dec.com (Philip jon Victor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Hockey expansion-implications for US soccer
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:26:45 GMT
Reply-To: victor@nodex.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. ~ Marlboro, Massachusetts, U.S.A.


MARCUS,

	While it is true that larger corporations are looking towards hockey as a place to spend there money I do not think it is brought on by the desire to have a hockey or soccer team. For years cities have been screaming for expansion baseball or football but these sports are either not expanding or are very hesitant to allow for large expansion. One sport that it trying to get larger in the United States is hockey. They seem to be willing to expand as long as the money and support is provided. Being a well e






stablish sport with a long history of success and with the new availability of players from the Europe who want to come to the Unites States hockey seems to be a great place to invest. 
	I feel that if the NASL had lasted then you probably would have seen a expansion of soccer in the Unites States. I hope that with the World Cup and with the avalability of young talent increasing a new league will be formed and all of us will be able to see soccer grow and flurish in the US.

phil... 
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From: andrade@SWVS4.DAB.GE.COM (carlos)
Subject: Maradona or Pele.
Organization: GE, SCSD (ASD), Daytona Beach, Fl
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:26:37 EST
Reply-To: andrade@SWVS4.DAB.GE.COM (carlos)
From: P.D.Wardle@newcastle.ac.uk (P.D. Wardle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Nottm Forest....doomed ???
Summary: The revival will come...
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:11:04 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

With Nottingham Forest seemingly glued to the bottom of the Premier League,
does it seem likely that they will be relegated??

I say not. 'Tis true that the Forest defence is weaker due to the departure of
Des Walker to Italian pastures and Darren Wassall to 'sheep' pastures, and the
sale of Teddy 'Hitman' Sheringham to Spurs has weakened the attack (even tho'
we made a 100,000 pounds profit..). However Forest have continued to play
attractive football and with a reasonable slice of luck (RE (esp!) Gary Crosby's
strike against Arsenal) instead of the pooey luck we've been having recently,
we can claw our way of the foot of the league... but it may help if the teams
above us don't win when we win and we go nowhere!!

Neil Webb's return from Man Utd & the brilliant defeat of Leeds at Elland Road
give an insight of all that's bubbling under the surface and is ready to show
itself (Was Nigel offside?? - I think NOT!) Add a established striker and
there's no chance of relegation.

I know that football (Being a 'funny old game') is highly subjective, but all
supporters in the know would like to see Forest stay in the top flight because
of their attractive style of play. Personally I would like to see the likes of
Wimbledon relegated instead :-)

Of course come April I may be eating my words and be paying for a cut price 1st
Division season ticket for next season (Brian's job is safe...) but a loyal fan
of The Reds I will remain.

P.D.Wardle (email P.D.Wardle@uk.ac.ncl)



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: schraag@lri.jur.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Dutch competition (ere-divisie), postponed games.
Summary: played 12/12 and 13/12/92.
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:19:00 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

Cambuur - Fortuna Sittard 1-3
   58' Hofman     0-1
   75' A. Janssen 0-2
   90' Mols       1-2
   90' Hofman     1-3

Volendam - Willem II 5-1
    7' den Ouden  1-0
   34' Molenaar   2-0
   69' Sier       3-0
   75' van Gastel 3-1 (penalty)
   80' Wasiman    4-1
   88' Smeets     5-1

Dordrecht '90 - FC Utrecht 0-2
   44' Roest
   87' Red card for keeper Hiele of Dordrecht '90.
   88' Bijl (penalty)


Topscorers:
1. Bergkamp (Ajax)      11
   Kiprich (Feijenoord) 11
3. Romario (PSV)         9
   Meijer (MVV)          9
   de Boer (FC Twente)   9
6. Kieft (PSV)           8
   Ellerman (PSV)        8
8. Pettersson (Ajax)     7
   Hofstede (Roda JC)    7
   Hofman (Fortuna S.)   7
   v. d. Brom (Vitesse)  7


PSV             14 11 2  1 24 41- 8
FC Utrecht      14  8 4  2 20 24-14
MVV             15  8 4  3 20 26-22
Feijenoord      14  7 5  2 19 33-16
FC Twente       14  8 3  3 19 27-12
Ajax            13  7 4  2 18 29-11
Vitesse         15  5 7  2 17 22-11
Willem II       15  5 5  5 15 15-15 [remarkable stats.]
Sparta          13  3 7  3 13 15-15
Volendam        14  4 5  5 13 21-14
FC Groningen    15  4 5  6 13 15-23
Roda JC         15  6 0  8 12 25-27
RKC             14  4 4  6 12 14-27
Go Ahead Eagles 15  4 4  7 12 20-29
Cambuur         15  2 5  8  9 12-26
Fortuna Sittard 15  3 2 10  8 14-36
Dordrecht '90   15  2 3 10  7  9-31
FC den Bosch    15  1 5  9  7 12-37

joost.

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From: ejua64@castle.ed.ac.uk (D Howat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Re: New Predictions' League - First Fixtures !!
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:43:38 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Saturday 2nd January 1993

Aberdeen 3-1 Dundee
Airdrie 1-1 Falkirk
Dundee United 1-0 St Johnstone
Hibernian 0-0 Hearts
Partick Thistle 0-1 Motherwell
Rangers 1-0 Celtic

Ayr United 2-1 Kilmarnock
Dunfermline 0-2 Raith Rovers
Morton 1-2 St Mirren

Montrose 2-1 Brechin
                  
douglas
From: jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: HOPELESS JOKES?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:17:43 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


  Why is it that at ever soccer match I have ever been to, there 
are always hundreds of HOPELESS JOKES who start leaving the game
with about 10-15 minutes to go? Have they all got urgent lobotomy
appointments at 5.30pm? F**KWITS!! It's not just limited to crap
games (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) or supporters of a team 2 or 3 goals
down (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) either. I mean, 15 minutes in the 
away end at Hillsborough is 2.33 quid! I can't believe it's just
to get out before the "rush" at the end & guarantee getting an
early bus. Wow! They might get home 25 minutes earlier. What are
they going to do? Is "blind date" that good?!

  Does this happen in other parts of the world or what?

     Jim

P.S - I bet Norwich fans don't do it any more. JAMMY GITS!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: msdloem@cs.vu.nl (Loemban Tobing MSD)
Subject: Re: Turkey-Holland
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:21:04 GMT

Jacques Robin (robin@cs.columbia.edu) wrote:

: Joost wrote:

: >> Holland: de Goey;
: >>	 Silooy, Koeman, Rijkaard;
: >>         Wouters, Jonk (66' de Boer), Winter (78' Numan),
: >>	 Witschge;
: >>	 Gullit, van Vossen, Viscaal.

: No Van Basten and no Bergkamp?
: What's going on here?
They couldn't play because of injuries.
Apart from Van Basten and Bergkamp, Kieft and Van Aerle were out through
injuries too.

btw. I wonder what's going to happen with the line-up if Van Basten and Bergkamp
can play again, who is the Bondscoach going to put on the bench ?
: Jacques.
Martin.
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From: ajackson@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ALAN MICHAEL JACKSON)
Subject: Re: Liverpool vs Blackburn
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:48:56 GMT

>Kenny maybe a great boss but he leave Liverpool when it is in trouble.
>So how is it.  Souness maybe not as tactical as Kenny but he came to the
>rescue when Liverpool needs someone to lead.  Souness show your best.


With Kenny it was a choice between leaving Liverpool or having a
nervous breakdown.

He tried to heal the wounds of everyone who was at the Hillsbrough
match and I respect him for that, but I am not bitter about him
leaving Liverpool and he is sure to get a great welcome on
Sunday.


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Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:18933 soc.culture.romanian:1412
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Romania round 11
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:40:18 GMT
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria

Romania round 11
Electroputere 2-1 Bacau
Dinamo        3-0 Uni Cluj
Sportul       4-2 Ploiesti
Resita        4-0 Progresul
Dacia Unirea  1-3 Steaua
Politehnica   1-0 Otelul
Gloria        2-0 Uni Craiova
Farul         3-0 Brasov
Inter         1-0 Rapid

Top of table:
1. Steaua     11  34- 6  19 \
2. Dinamo     11  25- 7  18 / some things never change...
3. Gloria     11  15- 7  15
4. Rapid      11  16- 9  14
5. Inter      11  15-15  13
6. Uni Crai   11  17-11  12

Cheers,
Karel
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Belgian League results. round 17.
Date: 20 Dec 1992 13:21:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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League round 17, last round before Winter Stop.
Games played 18/12, 19/12 and 20/12.

 RSC Anderlecht    2 Charleroi         0
 Nilis(2)

 FC Luik           2 Royal Antwerp FC  1
 Lehnhoff            Varga
 Ikpeba
 
 SK Beveren        1 KV Mechelen       0
 Nwanu

 Waregem           0 RWD Molenbeek     1
                     Van Ankeren        

 Racing Genk       2 Lommel            0
 Claessens
 Bucan

 AA Gent           2 Club Brugge       3
 Vandenbergh         Booy 
 Vanderlinden        Staelens
                     Verheyen

 Lierse SK         4 Boom              1
 Desmet              Junior
 Rekdal
 Huysmans
 Van Kerckhoven

 Cercle Brugge     1 Lokeren           1
 Weber               Kanu

 Germinal Ekeren   0 Standard Luik     0
                                        
Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht          17    29    40   13
Standard Luik       17    25    35   19
KV Mechelen         17    20    29   22
Waregem             17    20    44   25
AA Gent             17    20    27   19
Club Brugge         17    20    20   14
RWDM                17    20    27   18
Charleroi           17    19    30   25
Lierse SK           17    18    27   21
Beveren             17    18    19   22
FC Antwerp          17    17    29   31
Cercle Brugge       17    16    40   39
FC Luik             17    15    25   37
KRC Genk            17    14    19   18
Lokeren             17    10    18   31
Boom                17    10    28   50
Germinal Ekeren     17     9    21   40
Lommel              17     6    15   44


League Scorers (as per  20-12-92).
1. Weber (Cercle Brugge)       20 goals;

2. Malbasa (Charleroi)         12 goals;
   A.Vidmar (Waregem)          12 goals;
   Ikpeba (FC Luik)            12 goals;

5. Kruzen (Waregem)            11 goals;
   Czerniatynski (Antwerp)     11 goals;

--
One Cup result from 16-12-92
Beveren  -  KV Mechelen       5 - 2

Prettige Kerstdagen, Gelukkig Nieuwjaar en tot 1993.
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