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From: lucia@savvy.gsf.dec.com (Tim Lucia)
Subject: Fish stories & introduction
Reply-To: lucia@savvy.gsf.dec.com (Tim Lucia)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:33:26 GMT


Hello fellow fishermen and fisherwomen,

My name is Tim Lucia.  I live in Boston and work for Digital in Hudson, NH.
You could say (as my partner does) that I am obsessed with fishing.  Right
now in New England, it is giant bluefin tuna season.  I've been out for them
once this year with no luck.

Anyhow, here is the fish story (not as good as the first one).

One day I was jigging for codfish on Stellwagen Bank (A very popular piece
of bottom in Massachusetts Bay).  We were doing quite well. The fish were
fat and the whales were putting on a show.  One breached close enough the 
boat that we got damp (not soaked).  I was paying attention to the whales
and jigging subconciously.  All of a sudden, I feel a tug--a BIG tug.  My
4/0 Penn 113H is peeling out line against a tight drag.  Then I see a whale
come up about 100' abeam of us.  Shit! I got a whale.  Out comes the knife
and my buddy sliced off the 50# Ande.  Oh well, a jig and a teaser rig cost
me about $7, plus line, another $5...Big deal.  I go and rig a backup rod
and start jigging again.  After 1 minute, something doesn't feel quite
right.  I reel up to find that I snagged a 50# Ande trace.  Haul that up
and voila: jig & teaser rig.

Anyhow, I fish 99% in the salt.  A friend of mine has a 25' Grady White
which we use to chase cod, pollock, cusk, hake, haddock, halibut, wolffish,
mackerel, flounder, stripers, bluefish, and giant bluefin tuna.  The
boat is also available for charter (send mail for details) out of Beverly,
MA.  In the winter (Oct-Feb), I fish for smelt.  In MA, you cannot dipnet
them.  All smelt fishing is done with hook and line.  Occasionally, I'll
ice-fish for them in Great Bay with a shack.  An excellent night is 100
or so.  A good night is about 50 and a fair night about 20.  Catching 3
is like catching none, 'cause 3 smelt wouldn't feed a child (well, if they
were jack smelt maybe).  I also make all of the tackle I need (teasers,
leaders, etc.) for  the upcoming season.  I do sell codfish teaser rigs
at flea markets and through local tackle stores.

The month of March I spend de-winterizing the boat, getting all the rods
and reels ready, and waiting.  This spring (and summer, for that matter)
has had the worst fishing weather in many years.  It's July 31 and Boston
has only had 2 90 degree + days.  Should have had at least 7 or 8 by now.


Anyhow, I'm looking forward to some interesting discussions.

Tim
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Magazine
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:47:23 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <m1nmm3q.romo@netcom.com>, romo@netcom.com (Rafael Romo) writes:
> peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:
>>IMHO, the *proper* way to read SDM:
>>1) Find "SCUBA Quiz" monthly column by Dennis Graver and tear it out of the
>>   magazine.
>>2) Find "Technifacts" monthly column by Irv Cross and tear it out of the 
>>   magazine.
>>3) Throw magazine away.  Keep articles  :-)
> I would add "I learned that from diving" and the wreck articles.  Then toss
> it.  Of course, you could just go down to the library or borrow it from a
> friend who just recently got certified and therefore got a subscription with
> out knowing better.
                                         
Don't forget the mail order diver supply ads.  ;-)

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: How to stop sucking air?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:01:11 GMT

rallan@gun.com (Robb Aley Allan) writes:

>Sue Raisty writes
>   I'm a newly cerified open water diver and I have this problem:
>   I breathe too much.  Way more than everyone else I dive with.
>   So is there anyway to stop sucking so much air?  I do try to 
>   concentrate on taking slow even breaths, but I don't know if it is
>   helping.  Does you just naturally get better at it with more 
>   experience?  I'm in ok physical shape, but would more exercise help?


>Personal opinions:

>at the end of the dive at 15 feet with two pounds of weight. Then you're right.

That's easy for you to say... Try it in 47 degree water! :{) Seriously
though, with experience and a little thought to the matter, you'll do
better.


*********************************************************************
Looking for calm seas and good visibility...

Tom Dietrich

e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.
*********************************************************************
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Lake Ontario claims third diver
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:46:44 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Jul24.191745.24182@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:
>Perhaps, weight belt ditching needs to be emphasized (over-emphasized? taught?)
>in OW1 classes.  I teach several weight belt ditching exercises, and offer
>perpetual "weight belt insurance" to all students: I will replace a student's
>weight belt if ditched -- policy to start immediately, and continue for life.

PADI teaches the concept of EBA but doesn't drill it during classes.  It
is supposed to be "too dangerous."  However, the potential for dying on the
bottom of a lake seems far worse than suffering from a barotrauma.  If EBA
were drilled in shallow (30' or less) water and with the student still
breathing from SCUBA, the risk of injury during instruction would seem to
be minimal.  The benefit would be the student having a sense of confidence
during any uncontrolled ascent.  This would extend to uncontrolled ascent
during dry suit diving as well.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | Vida en La Republica de Tejas:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |  A Tejana woman, after spending the rent
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  money on the Tejas Lottery - "I can't go
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  home, my husband will beat me up."
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: NAUI Cross-over
Keywords: NAUI instructor cross-over crossover
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.232548.24583@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:
>NAUI Instructor Cross-over Course (ICC)
>

>Room & Board
>
>  Room and board will be provided for all candidates on campus.  The cost of
>  room and board is included in the course fees.  All candidates are expected
>  to live on campus during the course; exceptions will be made only for salient
>  and compelling reasons.
>
>Costs
>
>  * Total cost for the course is US$800, which includes tuition, room & board,
>    the graduation banquet, and 1992 NAUI registration dues.

I think that the standard cost for this course is $350-$450.  Some
additional cost would be expected because of the mandatory
room-and-board option, but I'd really want to know why I was paying
$400 more than the standard rate for this course, and I'd want to be
satisfied that it was worth it.  Same with the ITC: $1200 is $350-$400
more than the 'going' rate, unless it has gone up that much in a year.
If you are interested in finding about the NAUI leadership courses in
your area, contact NAUI at the number in the FAQ, or look in any issue
of Sources.  You should be able to find the number of your branch
office manager for your region, and they have to approve scheduling of
ITC and ICC courses in their region.

-- 
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler)
Subject: Re: Diving accidents, Gilboa Quarry -Ohio
Keywords: Diving, accidents, injury
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:38:37 GMT

In article <162@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> dstewart@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Dean Stewart) writes:
>I was talking to a friend in Ohio this week and she told me of two accidents
>at the Gilboa Quarry in North West Ohio recently.  According to her, one diver
>
>This information is word of mouth and could be inaccurate.  If anyone has
>additional information please feel free to correct me.
>
   I'll be at Gilboa this weekend for a Deep Diving class, & believe me,
I'll check into these stories before I dive! :)

>Dean Stewart, YMCA Instructor


-- 
 Tim Tyler   Internet: tim@ais.org  MCI Mail: 442-5735  C$erve: 72571,1005
P.O. Box 443     Packet: KA8VIR @KA8UNZ.#SEMI.MI.USA.NA
Ypsilanti MI
48197-0443                  PADI, USPA, AFCEA, INEOA, P226, VFR700, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: rallan@gun.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Subject: Re: How to stop sucking air?
Reply-To: rallan@gun.com
Organization: Helical Systems, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:28:42 GMT

Sue Raisty writes
   I'm a newly cerified open water diver and I have this problem:
   I breathe too much.  Way more than everyone else I dive with.
   So is there anyway to stop sucking so much air?  I do try to 
   concentrate on taking slow even breaths, but I don't know if it is
   helping.  Does you just naturally get better at it with more 
   experience?  I'm in ok physical shape, but would more exercise help?


Personal opinions:

1. Don't think about it. Focussing on your air consumption is psychologically unhealthy.  
You will naturally consume less after about 20-40 dives.

2. Detune your reg if you can; in other words, if you can tune a Venturi vane down to MIN  
in your mouthpiece, this will make inhalation volume a little less. You can also crank  
down on the cracking effort knob if your reg has one. But don't crank down so far that  
breathing becomes difficult or uncomfortable, because then you may get anxious and  
overbreath, and that's counterproductive.

3. Learn over time to sip air, meaning draw it in slowly, and exhale long. But don't get  
yourself uncomfortable doing this either.

4. Wear less weight. Wear still less weight. Wear even less weight. Be neutrally buoyant  
at the end of the dive at 15 feet with two pounds of weight. Then you're right.

-- 
Robb Aley Allan, The Gulfstream Group
220 Sunrise Avenue, Palm Beach, FL 33480
voice: 407/ 832-4013   email: rallan@helical.com
Co-founder/director, Gotham Users of NeXT (GUN)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Distribution: ca
Expires: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 06:00:00 GMT
Keywords: NAUI instructor cross-over crossover ITC ICC ITW



NAUI is offering an Instructor Training Course (ITC) and Instructor Cross-over
Course at the end of August.  It will be held at the University of California's
Marine Lab at Bodega Bay (Bodega Bay is about 65 miles north of San Francisco).

It appears to be staffed by the same outstanding set of Instructor Trainers
that worked at the UC Santa Cruz ITC last August.  I couldn't recommend this
group of trainers highly enough.  There are outstanding lecturers and some of
the most experienced instructors on the West Cost (3-digit & 4-digit NAUI
numbers among them!).

The ITC lasts 10 days and the Cross-over course is the last 4 days of the ITC.

There is also an auditing option available for those who'd like to just see 
what it's like, or attend the lectures and observe the training sessions.

Note that the costs of the ITC and the Cross-over include room & board.

I've posted a separate note for the each of the ITC, ICC, and the ITC Audit
Option, to make it more convenient for readers to find exactly what they want
and ignore the rest.

I've also posted another note announcing a NAUI Instructor Trainer Workshop
(ITW) at the University of Santa Clara, July 31 - August 2, for currently
active NAUI Instructors.

Each note contains the official course fact sheet and the name of the course
leader to contact for more information.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
NAUI Instructor                                     Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com


-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Diving as a Religion?
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:16:38 GMT
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <13646@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.083900.3118@resonex.com> dan@resonex.com
>(Dan Kell) writes:
>
>>Gee, we could all spend outrageous amounts of money on equipment as tithes
>>to the Holy Church! Dive Trips as scared pilgrimages! B-)))
>                                   ^^^^^^
>     You're not thinking of making sacrifices to a shark or something,
>are you?  :-)                      ^^^^^^^^^^
>
 
Sacrifice does usually imply the spilling of a little blood, either real or
symbolic, so being in a shark cage with bait and blood in the water should
suffice. Yeah!, a pilgrimage to grok with the Great White God! That's the 
ticket. Maybe we would have to ritualistically tatoo dive flags on our 
foreheads or breathe through a snorkel all the time. The implications here! 
I still like the tax-exempt idea though. Maybe I could quit filling my tanks 
with the bicycle pump for a change! B-O


-- 
Dan Kell                  
email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: par@teak18.cray.com (Peter Rigsbee)
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Magazine
Originator: par@teak18
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:52:18 CDT


In article <1992Jul27.131515.22666@scifi.uucp>, njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
> Skin Diver Magazine is one of the slimiest, most unethical pieces of
> crap to be found on your magazine retailer's shelf.

I think this is being a bit strong.  It doesn't take very long to realize
what you can get out of SDM.  To me, it is useful as an introduction and
overview to a location, as a source of manufacturer-supplied information
about new equipment (not always easily available at dive stores), as a source
of names and addresses/phone numbers of dive shops and dive resorts, and as 
something generally pleasant to read through quickly.  These aren't bad 
things in and of themselves.  And as Nick points out, once in a while there 
will be something useful.

I don't remember seeing SDM ever presenting themselves as providing objective
and comparative evaluations of equipment or locations (or if they did, I
knew enough to ignore it! ;-)  And I haven't tried to use it as such.  I
realize that some people will, and that is unfortunate.

SDM isn't unique in the magazine/newspaper industry, unfortunately.  I've seen
infomercials in other magazines that use the same techniques as SDM (some
even more blatant -- an explicit one-for-one correspondence between ads and
mentions in the text.)  I've also seen others with higher standards that label
these as "Advertisement" and sometimes use a different type face.

I noticed with some amusement several months ago that SDM had an editorial
in which they were on a high horse about how parts of the scuba industry
were measuring themselves on the wrong things -- for example, number of 
divers certified (as opposed to number who take up diving for the long-term).  
This prompted me to write them a letter suggesting that they omitted one 
category:
        Magazines boasted of advertising pages and numbers of
        subscribers, not whether they were providing objective
        and useful information to their readers.
Not surprisingly, I didn't get any response back.

I've also received a couple of "surveys" from them, asking how much I "liked"
the various articles in issues.  Not whether it was "useful" or "valuable".

I'd like to see SDM improve, but understanding its limitations, am willing
to keep subscribing.  But don't rely on it as your only source of information!

	- Peter Rigsbee
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: Are ther YMCA dive agencies in Australia ?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:23:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <1992Jul21.031852.14813@herboid.uucp> adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer) writes:
>Nicholas J. Simicich <njs@scifi.uucp> writes:
>> [ taken somewhat out of context ]
>>Yeah, you YMCA guys teach wacky stuff like those forward rolls and
>>stuff. :-) 
>
>Could be worse.  I've watched some divers do what they call the "UDT
>Entry", which involves taking a fairly aggressive leap at the water into a
>horizontal position, with a half twist so you hit the water tank downward.
>The twist is continued into a complete roll so you wind up face downwards,
>either kicking forward or going directly into a pike dive downward.  It's
>all a very macho thing, and I should probably add the two disclaimers that
>firstly the gentlemen involved don't do this when there are impressionable
>students around, and that secondly I have no idea whether or not any
>self-respecting member of the UDT practises any entries even remotely
>resembling this one.

I learned this entry as the "Hawaiian Rock Entry" in Hawaii in 1974.  It was
claimed that local divers found this useful when entering from a lava ledge
1-3 ft above the water.  I had fun learning it, but I have never used it or
taught it...
 
>BTW, if you're talking about the forward roll entry where you stand on the
>side of the pool, put one hand over mask and reg, crouch forward so the
>elbow of that arm reaches your knees (putting elbow between knees is a
>good rule of thumb), and roll forward into the water so you land tank
              ^^^^^ "thumb"? ;-)
>valve first, I've seen it taught in a NAUI course too, although in real
>life I've never seen anybody use it,

Yeah, even some of us hard-core NAUI instructors have started to omit the
forward roll from pool work (I've never seen anyone use it in OW classes).
Consider it a slight bend back to reality... :-)

>the stride entry and the back roll from a boat being the two that cover most
>situations (other than the wade-in, which doesn't usually count with the
>"splash" entries so long as you're careful and/or lucky).
>-- 
>Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
>adb@herboid.uucp | adb@geac.com      | 100% of your daily requirement for
>uunet!geac!!herboid!adb              | trivia and meaningless entertainment?


-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Are ther YMCA dive agencies in Australia ?
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:18:52 GMT

Nicholas J. Simicich <njs@scifi.uucp> writes:
> [ taken somewhat out of context ]
>Yeah, you YMCA guys teach wacky stuff like those forward rolls and
>stuff. :-) 

Could be worse.  I've watched some divers do what they call the "UDT
Entry", which involves taking a fairly aggressive leap at the water into a
horizontal position, with a half twist so you hit the water tank downward.
The twist is continued into a complete roll so you wind up face downwards,
either kicking forward or going directly into a pike dive downward.  It's
all a very macho thing, and I should probably add the two disclaimers that
firstly the gentlemen involved don't do this when there are impressionable
students around, and that secondly I have no idea whether or not any
self-respecting member of the UDT practises any entries even remotely
resembling this one.

BTW, if you're talking about the forward roll entry where you stand on the
side of the pool, put one hand over mask and reg, crouch forward so the
elbow of that arm reaches your knees (putting elbow between knees is a
good rule of thumb), and roll forward into the water so you land tank
valve first, I've seen it taught in a NAUI course too, although in real
life I've never seen anybody use it, the stride entry and the back roll
from a boat being the two that cover most situations (other than the
wade-in, which doesn't usually count with the "splash" entries so long
as you're careful and/or lucky).
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
adb@herboid.uucp | adb@geac.com      | 100% of your daily requirement for
uunet!geac!!herboid!adb              | trivia and meaningless entertainment?
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: Lead/Weights
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:22:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <9207231840.AA11372@shogun.smos.com> joseph@shogun.smos.com (Joseph Crunk) writes:
>
>Consumer Tip:
>
>...
>
>To coat your own bare lead weights:
>
>Run a strong string (nylon) through the belt holes of the weights.
>Hang the weights between two trees, across your garage, etc. such
>that there's 12 to 18 inches between each weight. Spray/brush liquid
>tool handle (or equivalent) on all exposed surfaces. Do not coat in
>the belt hole as it may make the hole too small. Allow to dry.
>
>-Joseph Crunk
>

Tool dip on the tips of your gloves will make your gloves last *much* longer
than normal (stuff them with newspaper; put small rolls of newspaper between
the fingers to separate them; then dip each finger). 

Mine always wear through the finger tips first.  You'll loose a little finger-
tip sensitivity when you're wearing these gloves but it's not severe.

Aqua-Seal on glove and wetsuit seams will further seal the seams and prevent
the stictching from unraveling.

Tool dip is available is most large hardware stores, and Aqua-Seal is available
from most dive stores.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: NAUI courses
Keywords: NAUI ITC instructor course cross-over crossover
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:56:47 GMT
Reply-To: scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA


Does anyone know whether NAUI will offer courses down in Southern California,
like L.A. or Orange Counties. ????

-- 
Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba