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From: cddukes@c00497-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous)
Subject: Re: Hardening plastics...
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:58:29 GMT

In article <1b27i3INN96u@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> sarrica@citi.umich.edu (Steve Sarrica) writes:
>In article <accom.1sgq@terapin.com>, accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross) writes:
>|> Hmm... Wouldn't it be killer if someting like that actually existed... It could
>|> add some tactile response to VR, but the only problem is it would hafta harden
>|> VERY fast... O welp... L8r!|> -The Accomplice
>
>Electroactive liquids (I think that is the term) become solid in the presence of
>an electrical current.  See your local chemist for pointers in the literature.
>
>    
>Steve

A better source of information might be the lord corporation.
They have done some experiments with fluids that change properties because
of electric and magnetic fields (For motion damping equipment).
From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:57:54 GMT
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) says:
>
>   True, but if we as a `movement' ( A punk movement?) are going to do 
>any social damage of note, we have to be able to reach out and secure 
>more of the population, I use some of the `summer of love'/Hippie 
>movement as an example.  In that case, they got momentum, but it was a 
>primarily a upper-middle class thing.  If we could find a way to explain 
>to the world in gerenal what we want, what type of hold we already have 
>on the world, and what we can do to help, I think we could actually help 
>humanity in general make some progress.  If not, we'll just end up being 
>the `big thing' for awhile and then become passe', we'll all still be 
>here and shooting the same bull, but we'll have a different name, and 
>nothing will have changed.
	Hmm.
	How do you explain to people that you're cynical, fed up with the
	world, convinced that it's going to the dogs, and you can either
	fight, collaborate, or enjoy the ride while it lasts? Be yourself,
	fight for your rights, or die trying? 
	(I can see why it's white middle-class males... the rest of us
	have been doing this for most of our lives already. ;)

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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Biochips, Technology, etc!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:24:58 GMT

Have you guys thought of some of the possibilities of biopchips and the
like? I am imagining chips which are tiny, powerful, and entirely
compatible with the human nervous system. Perhaps they're organic, perhaps
they're silicon, I don't know which is more likely. Anyway, how about
a maths coprocessor with ROM and RAM which could provide integration,
matrix manipulation, etc. imbedded inside your skull and accessed by thought
alone. How about a radio modem chip, again in the skull and linked up with
the brain. At any time you could dial in to your account in some mainframe,
access information there, ftp, etc. While using this, you might just be
able to close your eyes and be in the virtual environment of the computer
account, i.e. a thought would be all that was needed to execute a command
or program, and the results could be read back by you at your leisure.
After closing your eyes for a few secs to login and run the programs or
commence ftp download, you could just open your eyes again and let the
processes run in the background! Perhaps you could let an internal beep signal
completion, whereupon you'd just close your eyes again and read off the
info. If you don't want to see a screen every time you close your eyes,
the chip would of course have a control line which you could use to send
on/off msgs. The possibilities are endless.

With VR accounts, this would mean you'd carry VR around with you at all times;
you wouldn't have to strap your head into any devices, because all sensory
input (sight, smell, sound, touch!!!) could be fed directly into your brain
by the modem chip!

When you want to go to sleep, you could just login and run visuals, whatever
you like, from sheep jumping over a fence to evolving fractals. You could
play music, from massive digitized databases located around the globe!
At any time you could login to the virtual shopping mall, select articles
which would be automatically charged to your bank account and either
delivered directly to your house or held at the shop for you to pick up.
You could instantly initiate contact with anyone around the globe, almost
like telepathy. Of course, you could also "kill file" anyone whose calls
you don't want to know about. 

Consider. Once all this is possible, you wouldn't really have any need for
physical sensations. Perhaps you could just have a life support machine
hooked up to your carcass, while you live, work, etc in the virtual world.
Scary eh?

Paul

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From: sarrica@citi.umich.edu (Steve Sarrica)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Hardening plastics...
Date: 8 Oct 1992 21:00:51 GMT
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In article <accom.1sgq@terapin.com>, accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross) writes:
|> Hmm... Wouldn't it be killer if someting like that actually existed... It could
|> add some tactile response to VR, but the only problem is it would hafta harden
|> VERY fast... O welp... L8r!|> -The Accomplice

Electroactive liquids (I think that is the term) become solid in the presence of
an electrical current.  See your local chemist for pointers in the literature.

    
Steve
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Hardening plastics...
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:49:08 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:

> popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie) writes:
> 
> >sarrica@citi.umich.edu (Steve Sarrica) writes:
> [interesting stuff on electrohardening plastic]
> 
> >There are polymers that solidify under UV radiation.  This ahs actually 
> >been utilized bu industry.  A Cadcam representation of an object is used 
> >to control 2 lasers aimed thru a tank of mono-polymer when both lasers un 
> >under computer control intersect, enough UV deposits it's energy at that 
> >intersection to crosslink the monpolymer.  A "part" is solidifyed layaer 
> >at a time with a resolution approaching 100 DPI.
> >  A CADCAM drawing, 2 samll computer controlled lasers, and a tank of 
> >Mono-polymer.  Voila instant 'Parts'.  Polish and send to the moldmaking 
> >department.  Or whatever.  intricate plastic parts one-off made right 
> >from your drawing in an hour.
> 
> Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicked.
> 
> Not a bad idea, but how expensive is it, I dont suppose it would be a 
> back yard job.  Could this be done with other materials, for instance
> if you could get a smooth ceramic (would be a minor engineering problem)
> done, hey presto I've got a glock 19 (If i buy an iron-slide).
> 
> Or like in DARKMAN, make a face.
> 
> |-|()()|<

 There are several such systems available off the shelf right now.
The cheapest are about $250,000.  Not cheap!  An dthis assumes you have a 
place to put it and the compuer support.  There are several such systems, 
some better than others but they are all here and now.  No theories here!
The next problem with these things is to increase the effective DPI so 
that a truely finished piece is reproduced.  These thing are mainly used 
to make masters for moldmaking, internel mold stuff where finish doesn't 
have to be excellent, prototyping, and the like.  Bizarre stuff.
If you ever get a chance to go to a big full blown machine tool show, do 
so. there is some bizarre and wonderful stuff out there!

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From: ekimmina@pms240.pms.ford.com (Eric's tared uv arnin')
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Virus Creation Lab
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:26:24 GMT
Organization: The Knights who say "booogetyboogetyboogety"
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Virus Creation Lab

I recently had an opportunity to see this myself. You are give the choice of 
several options for your virus including self encrptions, file corruptions 
and self mutation. It then asks you for a name and proceeds to compile your 
very own virus. Most of them (as discussed in the FIDO conference VIRUS_INFO 
are found by McAfee SCAN V95, so I dont see it as a potential threat in and 
of itself, however give it to someone who knows "C" and a PCBios command 
structure, and it becomes a threat indeed...  Watch out America, the virus 
explosion is at hand...

Just thought Id throw some doom and gloom out to you all...


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: pacoid@wixer.cactus.org (Paco Xander Nathan)
Subject: Re: CP Mags
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:27:06 GMT

In article <Bvn9st.Gss@dei.unipd.it> cabal@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Gianluca Donato 342139/IF) writes:
>Hi you Cpunks, 

>I found some time ago a poll proposed by a magazine called bOING-bOING.
>I contacted them to know if it was possible to have it in electronic 
>form (much easier to get and incomparably faster than mailing it to Italy) 
>unfortunately they (I e-mailed the editor) just proposed me to subscribe. 
>This made me think about all the more or less underground CP magazines 
>I believe exist in the States (Mondo 2000 just to name one), or anywhere 
>else (possibly in English). Can anyone tell me about these magazines ? 

Gianluca -

I was the one you contacted and since I write for both of the zines you 
mention, lemme follow-up..  Neither magazine has an "electronic" version.
I'm not certain, but I'd doubt that either would /want/ to have an
electronic version, since widespread online media is just to expensive to
be effective for what either publication is trying to say.  Not a matter 
of "underground" politics, just a matter of not having enough $$$ for 
more widespread distribution.  But you /should/ be able to get Mondo 2000
in Italy..

Both BB & M2 have active discussions on the WELL - you might check into an 
accout there via FTP to well.sf.ca.us

If you're just looking for electronic subscriptions, check into the
"Future Culture" distribution.  Andy Hawks does a wonderful job of tracking
addresses and summaries for available electronic sources.  Send email to:

	future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

There's also the electronic version of "Factsheet Five" by Jerod Pore.
You can get info by sending email to: 

	jerod23@well.sf.ca.us


Happy trails.

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd)
Subject: Re: Virus Construction Kit?
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.212921.19908@cs.mcgill.ca> branagh@cs.mcgill.ca
(Wayne BRANAGH) writes: 
|Recently in PC Mag, one columnist mentioned that the Dark Avenger has
|released a virus construction kit, the "Mutation Engine". Does anyone
|have any leads or pointers to offer me on where I can find this package?
|(ftp site, contact, etc)

"If you haveta ask...."

You won't find it on an ftp site unless it's on one of those "1 day
tmp file" drop-offs....but:

"If you haveta ask....."

|Cheers,
|
|Wayne
|branagh@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca 


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From: 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Subject: Re: Biochips, Technology, etc!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:08:28 GMT

In article <pet.718694698@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
>Subject: Biochips, Technology, etc!
>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:24:58 GMT
>Have you guys thought of some of the possibilities of biopchips and the
>like?
>
>With VR accounts, this would mean you'd carry VR around with you at all times;
>you wouldn't have to strap your head into any devices, because all sensory
>input (sight, smell, sound, touch!!!) could be fed directly into your brain
>by the modem chip!
>
Consider. Once all this is possible, you wouldn't really have any need for
>physical sensations. Perhaps you could just have a life support machine
>hooked up to your carcass, while you live, work, etc in the virtual world.
>Scary eh?
>
>Paul
>

True... but you've been beaten to the punch. These were the two main ideas 
in William Gibson's 1988 Mona Lisa Overdrive. The Angie Mitchell character 
had the VR/modem in her head; Bobby Newmark was in permanent VR trance.

Lloyd.
From: popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Hardening plastics...
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 17:15:41 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

sarrica@citi.umich.edu (Steve Sarrica) writes:

> In article <accom.1sgq@terapin.com>, accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross) writes:
> |> Hmm... Wouldn't it be killer if someting like that actually existed... It 
> |> add some tactile response to VR, but the only problem is it would hafta ha
> |> VERY fast... O welp... L8r!|> -The Accomplice
> 
> Electroactive liquids (I think that is the term) become solid in the presence
> an electrical current.  See your local chemist for pointers in the literature
> 
>     
> Steve


There are polymers that solidify under UV radiation.  This ahs actually 
been utilized bu industry.  A Cadcam representation of an object is used 
to control 2 lasers aimed thru a tank of mono-polymer when both lasers un 
under computer control intersect, enough UV deposits it's energy at that 
intersection to crosslink the monpolymer.  A "part" is solidifyed layaer 
at a time with a resolution approaching 100 DPI.
  A CADCAM drawing, 2 samll computer controlled lasers, and a tank of 
Mono-polymer.  Voila instant 'Parts'.  Polish and send to the moldmaking 
department.  Or whatever.  intricate plastic parts one-off made right 
from your drawing in an hour.

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From: dion@marge.sfsu.edu (Tim &)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:02:49 GMT

In article <92279.210133DXZ102@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:
> Now that I have your attention.....I'm a media historian looking into  
the
> newest electronic medium,  namely the computer.  Media theorist,  Harold  
Adams
> Innis, wrote in his "Empires and Communications," that empires are  
attained and
> maintained by monopolizing the commerce of infomation through 


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From: accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: y
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:30:43 PST
Organization: BBS

About Gravity's Rainbow... I picked that book up thinking it was SF, and
couldn't really get into it... Is it SF? Is is cool?? Also about time travel..
I personally believe that the only way we are ever going to achieve "time
travel" is basically travel to any of the supposed infinate other dimensions..
I recently heard that recent theories in Quantum Mechanics support me
thoughts.. But has anyone ever read any of the Larry Niven Dimensional travel
stories? Pretty funny stuff, he has them develop a tech for dimensional travel,
and then the happiest people in the world start offing themselves cause they're
afraid to come face to face with themselves... Becuz you know if you travel
dimensionally, you can't really get back to your "real" home-dimension because
a new dimension is supposedly created every time a yes-no decision is made.. O
welp I've said too much... Adios..
-The Accomplice
From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:36:07 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

<DXZ102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

  [Various Stuff deleted]
> allowing greater access to information than ever before.  My question before
> this group is:  Those who master this new media will have considerable
> influence on the dissemination of information; will hackers or 'punks, then,
> become the new bishops? Are programming languages the new Latin, so to say?
> Even though we are talking relatively easy now,  we are still at the mercy of
> the programmer who created this system. Do you think 'punks will gain a sort 
> class consciousness and attempt to direct influence over some aspect of
> society?  How will they do it? Viruses? Hmmmmmmm................

   we might, but I _severely_ doubt it.  This isn't the right type of 
movement to gain control of a society.  Cyberpunk will be socially `cool' 
soon, there are too many rumblings by the `cultural el8 machinery' in our 
general direction to think otherwise.  I doubt we will have too much of a 
long-term effect.  Now, if someone took the current cyberpunk mind-set, 
and altered it to include more women and to include minorities, it might 
take root and grow, but right now, cyberpunk is focused mainly at white 
males.  I could be wrong, but I'll bet even money that I'm not.
   /// & ///
  (It's going to be so much fun being at the top of a social BS system 
among my peers for awhile, though!)

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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement,alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING New Graduate Program in Architecure+Art+Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:27:19 CDT
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

novak@vitruvius.ar.utexas.edu (Marcos Novak) writes:

> ====================================
> ANNOUNCEMENT
> ====================================

Shit, can anyone else tell that it's a new school year?

Marcos, go RTFM on the subject of proper crossposting.

(I might have even read the article if I hadn't immediately noticed
multiple copies...)
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:23:06 EDT
From: <BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: neuromancer the movie?

A few years ago I read in a magazine that Neuromancer the movie was being made.
Has anyone else ever heard about this and if so what happened to it?  Movie lik
e Lawnmower Man prove that you can do kick ass virtual reality graphics in a

movie.  Now's the time if ever to make such a movie.
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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (floyd)
Subject: FAQless (was Re: gibson/"virtual light"?)
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:11:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.190929.19807@yang.earlham.edu> jessec@yang.earlham.edu writes:
|
|   Does anyone know anything about a William Gibson project that was 
|talked of last year (or was it two years ago?) called "Virtual Light"?
|
|   --Jesse.

Read the FAQ, it's his next book, supposedly.

and shorten your sig by about 20 lines.

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From: richter@hardy.u.washington.edu (Josef Richter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: industrial- vs. information society
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:17:04 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct16.135407.28290@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>
> I've read some posts now about what an industrial society "is" like..
>now, since we're leaving that and we're going into information society,
>what would this be like?
> it's like at around the 60's we started going into an information society, or
>is it me miss-interpreting everybody's use of the word "industrial" ?
>or should we use "new industrial age" like "new age" ? what's the next
>stage?? push the button and all available services are displayed, pick
>your choice, and voila(!) there you go!
> any opinions?
>
     
     I would define an "age" as a period of time with a certain economic
processes... an information society (InSoc) would be a period of time
where information, rather than gold or labor, would be the most 
valuable commodity. I think that to a large degree, we're in an 
info-based economy already... and have been easing into one for quite
a while. We didn't start entering an InSoc in the 1960's... we started
in the 1860's. 
     I don't think it works to  distinguish "ages" so sharply... just as
rural society blended into industrial society via cottage industry, so
industrial society is leading into an information society. Cottege industry
was the first application of Smith's "division of labor", where each
person does a small part of the production process, rather than the whole
thing. And the tech of the industrial age blazed the way for InSoc --
advanced machines can mean higher productivity, and so the blueprints for
those machines become valuable -- it's the info that you want, not
the raw labor. In primitive societies, everyone knew how to produce,
and so it was the labor rather than the production process that was useful.
But now... just take a look at tech, intelligence, chemical formulas.

     The future is now, eh?

>
>
>
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-richter