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From: GAHSK@rose.uib.no ()
Subject: Resent:  For BUET'86 or '87 (graduate year) / NotreDamian'80
Organization: University of Bergen, NORWAY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:05:09 GMT
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Hi guys!

Any of you remember me? I am travelling to Boston on Dec 18 
(rescheduled) from Bergen, Norway. I'll be travelling around USA for
1 month. But I was wondering if I could meet some of my college/
university batchmates/freinds over there during this period. Indeed,
I will be glad to visit. 

Since I moved to Norway in Aug'88 suddenly, I've lost contact with 
many of my good freinds/batchmates. So, if you are one of them, please 
send an e-mail to my following email address before Dec 17(Thu) 
or leave a message to the tel. no. 617-868-3356 or 617-868-5104 in 
Boston saying that "This message is for Kauser ......", after Dec 18.

PLEASE, respond only to my e-mail address - not to SCB.

Hope to see you then.

Golam Sarwar Khan (KAUSER) 
CE, BUET'87; Notre-Damian#80574
(Remember this: 208 Titumir Hall(south) ?)

e-mail:  Sarwar.Khan@uib.no
tel.:    +47-5-276394 in Norway
From: P.Hasan@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Pervaiz Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: DEMONSTRATION - PAKISTAN EMBASSY - Re: PERSECUTION OF MUSLIMS IN INDIA
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:13:14 GMT

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim

Assalam-o-alaikum Brs & Srs,

	There is a demonstration on Friday after Jumma at the Pakistan Embassy
in London (details are given below). 
When will the muslims wake up - Palestine, Kashmir, Bosnia, India ..... 
Every muslims should look at himself regarding each of these situtions and 
see if he/she has fullfilled his/her duty. 
Are the muslims not concerned that their Sister are getting raped that their
brothers are being tortured & killed, and their children are being abused and
murdered.

"Anyonewho wakes up in the morning and does not care fore the affairs of the
Ummah, is not one us" Muhammed (SAW)
This is  what the Prophet (SAW) said, yet we find Muslims fail to respond
positively. 

The issue is not just the mosque, the issue is the muslim blood being so cheap.
Remember that the Prophet (saw) said that the blood of a muslim is worth more
than the Ka'aba and all its surroundings.
Think about the armies we have and the millitary might we possess, and yet
they do nothing but clean their weapons and target practice. Their orders from
the corrupt leaders is not wage Jihad but to suppress their own people from
calling for Jihad and Islam.

There are three way in which a muslim can fullfill his/her duty of Jihad :
 `.......By your Wealth, By your Tongue, By your Body`.

It is importent that the muslims in Britain support this Demonstartion.


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	  MUSLIMS OF INDIA, WILL THEIR CRY GO UNHEARD !!!!



  It is the duty ie fard of the Muslim governments to do everything
in their power to come to the aid of Muslims in India ;especially
those governments who are in close proximity to the area,like
Bangladesh and Pakistan.We would like to encourage the Pakistani
government to take the following measures:

  1) Break off diplomatic relations with India;maintaining any
relationship with a government presiding over  a vicious onslaught
against Muslims is totally unacceptable.

  2)Pakistan should lobby the Gulf States to impose a total trade
ban(especially an oil embargo) on India and expell all Hindus in their
territories.

  3)Additionally they should lobby all Muslim countries to break off
diplomatic ties with the murderous Indian regime.

  4)If Pakistan's Generals really want to undertake some
comprehensively Islamic action,then they should use all means
necessary to the lives,property and honour of Muslims in India.

DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRAT

PAKISTAN EMBASSY
LOWNDES SQUARE
LONDON SW1    (NEAREST TUBE:KNIGHTSBRIDGE)

FRIDAY 18TH DECEMBER
2.30pm

ORGANISED BY WESTMINISTER ISLAMIC SOCEITY
IN CONJUNCTION WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ISLAMIC SOCEITIES OF:
Imperial
LSE
Kings
UNL
UCL
South Bank
QMW
Brunel

Contact Mohammed on 071-723 5429.
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Wasalaam
Pervaiz Hasan (UCL).


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: AWARDS
Originator: hassan@bcrka434
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:59:22 GMT

TWO AWARDS !!

** Grameen Bank has been selected for 'King Baudouin (sp!)'
   award. Brussels based 'King Baudouin Awards Committee' 
   made this selection for Grameen Banks innovative banking
   system. 

** Gana Shashthya Kendra has won the 'Right Livelihood' award
   of 1992. This award is popularly known as alternate Nobel prize
   and will be distributed along with the nobel prize in Sweden.
   ( This news is few months old, but I did not see it here. May be
     missed it !!)
   [ Does anybody know how Gana Shasthya is doing these days !!
     Dr. Jafrullah Chowdhury (director of Gana Shasthya) was quit
     controvertial during Ershad's regime and he was pointed out
     as one of Ershad's allies after the fall of the regime. The
     interim govt. of Pres. Shahabuddin brought some charges (can't
     remember what the allegations are) against Gana Shasthya and 
     formed a inquiry committee to look into the matter. Investigations
     were going on even after BNP govt. came to power. But lately I 
     have not seen any report on this matter. I wonder what will
     be the impact of this award on the charges and investigation !!
     Interestingly, I haven't seen any detail news of this award
     in any Bangladeshi newspaper. Every item I have seen was a 
     brief statement of the award. I wonder if there is any reason
     behind it (or just a coincidence). Any comments !! ]



- Abu S. Mahmudul Hassan


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Reply-To: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:33:57 GMT


Now that you have quoted my personal mail on the net: 

 If Islam preaches equality of men and women, then you must admit that
 the practice of Islam is at fault. Because there is no argument even from
 you that women in Islamic states do not enjoy the same freedom as men,
 is there? 

 If mortals are not following the religion to the letter then it's ok. Every
 religion has been distorted in practice by its proponents and 
 participants and practitioners. Welcome to the club.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Jamat and the ban question
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:00:15 GMT

In article <NAEEM.92Dec12020543@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> In article <Bz4448.JBB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
> >Everyone knows that he was a collaborator. If tried and found guilty, the 
> >maximum punishment should be applied. 
> ----
> Problem is that Sheikh Mujib gave the general pardon to ALL collaborators. So
> how can Ghulam Azma be differentiated among others pardoned?
> 
   Good point. Perhaps the best we can do is declare him persona -not-grata
and permanently expell him. However, knowing someone as crooked as him, there
is probably some other misdeed he is responsible for which would give the
govt. a valid excuse for jailing him as a common criminal. Al Capone was
put away for tax evasion.
> >The best way to solve this problem is to get rid of these radicals. 
> ----
> Usually ends up making them martyrs and even more popular. Look to Algeria
> and Egypt.

   Not necessarily. The right wing radicals do not enjoy widespread grassroot
level political support unlike their counterparts in Egypt and Algeria; at 
least not yet.
Rafat Sadiq


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From: fall266@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Date: 21 Dec 1992 00:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

SEE MIRZA ILYAS 
ROY IS APPRECIATING YOU .  IS THAT WHAT YOU DESERVE.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Reconversions (was Re: Babri Masjid demolished)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:40:52 GMT

In article <samaddar.724178018@dumbo>, samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar) writes:
> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes: 
> 
> >In article <samaddar.724025290@dumbo>, samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
> >writes: 
> >> I suspect that forcibly converted people (a) hate their original religion 
> >> for having failed to protect them and (b) as a psychological defence 
> >mechanism 
> >> start believing that they really converted willingly, or (c) like the so 
> >> called "Stockholm syndrome" get brainwashed by their tormentors and turn 
> >> into willing participants. 
> 
> >Isn't this a very simplistic explanation? The question is whether present day
> >muslims owe their belief in Islam to invaders or the family in which they were
> >born. I really don't see a connection between my belief in Islam and the
> >actions
> >of "muslim" invaders. They may very well have forcibly converted my forefathers
> >to Islam ( which was not the case ) but it has no bearing on my belief in
> >Islam.
> 
> Actually, my speculation applies only to the initially (forcibly) converted
> person. For reasons I mentioned earlier, s/he may remain converted and raise
> her/his children in the converted religion. These children attend religious
> schools of this religion, share religious ceremonies of this religion with
> other kids and gradually grow up without ever realizing that their parents
> were forcibly converted. From that point of time, all their descendants grow
> up as "regular" followers of this religion.
> 
> Of course, I don't claim that all Indian Muslims were converted by force. But
> some may have been.
> 
> Sumitro

    Sumitro, while isolated and perhaps even some organized scales of forced
conversion may have taken place, I suggest you get rid of the fraudulent 
notion that a sizable portion of Hindus were converted by force. Let`s
face it, if properly enforced, Hinduism is not a socially just religion.
In those days the caste system was rigidly enforced. A schedule caste peson
would probably not dare use the village well for fear of his life. His      
children and their children lived in society with the belief that somehow
they were inferior for misdeeds they comitted in a previous life. Then with
Muslim traders and conquerors, Islam reaches the subcontinent. A religion
that preaches EQUALITY among men arrives. Do you not think that the majority
of converts were lower caste or untouchables who chose Islam simply so that theyand all their descendants would not have to live in their wretched state for
the rest of their lives? 

    Rafat Sadiq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:20:12 GMT

    In a previoius article I mentioned that most people who converted to 
Islam did so because it preaches equality among men. Mr. Raghuram
Murtugudde from Columbia U, challenged my poiny and said the word "men"
literaly applied to men. First of all, when I wrote men I was refering to
humanity (yes it`s a sexist term). Secondly, Mr. Murtugudde, Islam does
preach equality among women. It is stated in the Koran that women are 
equal tomen. Secondly, the Koran states that women are to be given the same
rights as men such as voting, ability to own propert etc. This is a remarkable
revolutionary idea considering the fact that Islam was founded over a thousand
years ago and that some of these rights weren`t confered upon women in the US
untill the 20th century (i.e. voting). I don`t want it to seem that I am
preaching so I`ll conclude by saying Mr. Murtugudde, Islam preaches equality
among all people not just men or women. Admitiedly it has sexist viewpoints
just like any other religion (i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chrisitianity) but
what you must bear in mind is that they are less than those of other major
religion and that they were normal for that particular period in time.

regards
Rafat Sadiq
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Sonar Bangla ( A Nightmare )
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:04:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


 Please read my response to the article that was posted in soc.culture.
pakistan . I hope you guys will enjoy it. 
Thanks in anticipation. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: For Geologists Only!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:04:39 GMT

This message is addressed to geologists.  Anyone else can ignore it
all together.  I am trying to get in touch with any geologist from
Bangladesh.  If you're a geologist who studied in any universities 
in Bangladesh, or in any institute in the former Soviet Union (I am
a Soviet Alumni myself) or else where in the world please respond
to my personal e-mail address khaleq@brahms.udel.edu by sending
a mail.  Please don't respond on s.c.b.  I would like to keep in
touch with our geologists whereever they might be.  Any geologist,
whether or not from Bangladesh, is welcome to respond. Thanks.

Khaleq

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Love a geologist and feel an earthquake!!
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From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:19:32 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:

>I think that the recent discussion on the issue of autonomy on this newsgroup
>begs the question : how fine a level of fragmentation is acceptable for
>nationhood ? Where do we stop? Independent cities ? Neighbourhoods ? Streets?
 ^^^^^^^^^^

Just replace "nationhood" with "autonomy", and you don't have to stop at
any level of fragmentation. Essentially, each unit (group) of people need
surrender only the barest essential of autonomy to the larger unit to derive
mutual benefits. A larger unit of organization has benefits of scale in
economy, security, etc. but it entails a possible discrimination against some
of the smaller constituent units. Consider present day Europe. Recognizing
the competition from bigger units like USA and Japan, individual European
countries may decide to come together on certain issues, maybe some kind of
union. But each country is also worried about losing it's individuality. They
will finally make the tradeoff when they have to. Similarly, Chakmas (or
Kashmiris) in an independent country may decide to cooperate with other
(perhaps bordering) countries for mutual benefit. They may agree on
unrestricted travel, citizens of one country seeking employment in other,
with some bordering countries but only after realizing what tradeoffs they
are making. Right now, that decision about the tradeoff is being made by
Bangladesh (India) and not by Chakmas (Kashmiris).

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Jamat and technicalities
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:22:38 GMT

In article <16DEC92.23738190.0070@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, BF87@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BF87000) writes:
> In article <Bz80xA.DrJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
> >
> >If Golam Azam does not have Bangladeshi citizenship, can the govt. not try him for interefering in internal affairs. It is a crime for expatriates to involve
> >themselves in Bangladeshi party politics.
> 
> Whether he is a citizen or not is yet to be decided by the Supreme
> Court, where Mr. Azam has recently taken his case.  Your sweeping
> statement like the one above and urging the govt. to act upon it
> (prior to any court ruling) is, therefore, unwarranted to any
> law abiding individual or govt. having common sense.
> 
   It is not a sweeping statement. It is merely a point. If Golam Azam (notice 
the word "if") is not a citizen then he can be tried for the crime a mentioned.
   Rafat Sadiq
> However, your suggestion very much exemplifies the line of thinking
> many anti-Jamaat people and parties maintain in Bangladesh.
> 
> 
> >Rafat Sadiq
> >.
> 
> ..Moin.
From: ark@ukc.ac.uk (A.R.Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: QUESTION TO ALL MUSLIMS (Was * Babri Mosque)
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:10:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

REF :

From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: A question to all muslims?
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Brother Khalequzzaman writes : 

>You are generalizing the muslim sentiment.  Not all muslim think the same way 
>about the role Islam should play in Government.  In fact majority of muslims,
>including me self, in Bangladesh believe in racial harmony and secularism.  I
>don't think that whereever the muslims are majority they demand an islamic
>state.  Destrying temples in retaliation of the Ayodhya event should be
>condemned roundly.  Remember 1 MP in the rulling party doesn't represent
>the whole country.  He/she doesn't even represent his own party, because the
>PM Mrs. Khaleda Zia doesn't hold the similar view.  
>A few anti-indian 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>muslim fundamentalist group including Jamaat-e-Islami are trying to gain
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>politically using this unfortunate event.  Not all predominantly muslim
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>countries advocate Islamic society.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Indonesia, Bangladesh, Uzbakistan,
>Albania, just to name a few, are no way an islamic state.  So please base
>your comment on facts and figure.

>Khaleq

Hang on a minute, brother, are yoy sure you are not generalising and at
some point, not making illicit generalisation? How can you lump "anti-Indian"
(and why this ritualistic diatribe which we hear from a particular group's
mouth?), "Muslim fundamentalists", "Jamaat-i-Islami" - all in one group?
I totally agree with you that  majority of the people of Bangladesh are
for racial harmony, and for your information, Bangladesh's record
of racial harmony is appreciated by Indian elites, although the
political circle is always critical of Islamisation. But who on earth
has told you that Bangladesh's people (or majority) are for secularism?
Attacks on temples in retaliation has to be condemned, communal riots
has to be prevented not only because it's no solution to the 
destruction of Babri mosque, but also because this way of reactions is
possibly not admitted in Islam.  But what about  condemning the anti-Muslim 
act, what about
building up world wide public opinion to deter the Hindu-fundamentalist
from running down the other 2,999 mosques in India that are in their hit
list? I request you take note of this distinction and not to misrepresent
the religious sentiments of majority of the Bangladeshi people by the
handful of so-called seculrists. No flame intended. 

=====================================
Abdur Rob Khan
International Relations
University of Kent at Canterbury
UK
=====================================
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From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

 You have mentioned two major points:

1) Why we can not pray to Ideal and why it is not acceptable for muslim?

2) why Muslim asked for the secular ism in the socity which is not muslim?

1) It is very simple that you can not make a perfect idol of God. Is it true
no metter how beutifull it may be it might not be even close to God. then how come you can represent perfect with an imperfact.  

To say that it is just to represent God in the form may be seen by human is to 
challange God that we can change his nature.( astaghfirrullah).  

These excuses to use different idols for one God does not make sence to me.

Because these reasons I belive that to worship an Idol is to disgress God.
Why we should worship an Idol if we can worship him without seening but seening his powers and belassings.
Idol worshiping may be acceptable for you but for muslims it is not.  I belive if you have the right to belive what you think is right then every body else has the same right.

2)
No other religion has mentioned any room for other religion but islam have did.
to say that rights of minorities are gien under any secular goverment are not the same as islam has given.  Being a muslim I felt better when I read that GO.pakwill rebuild those temples who were destroyed. Eventhough atleast some of them were abandand by their followers.

	In any system people who are the part of that system they have the right to ask right given under that system.
thanks 
syed agha saeed naqvi
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From: imc7142@venus.tamu.edu (CHOUDHURY, IFTEKHARUDDIN MOHAMM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Victory Day
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:25 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu
Keywords: National anthem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Bangladesh celebrates Victory Day (Bijoy Dibosh) today. Here is a
translation of our national anthem on this auspicious occassion:

THE NATIONAL ANTHEM OF BANGLADESH   

My Bengal of Gold, I love you 
Forever your skies, your air set my heart in tune
	as if it were a flute
In Spring, Oh mother mine, the fragrance from
	your mango-groves makes me wild with joy--
	Ah, what a thrill!
In Autumn, Oh mother mine,
	in the full-blossomed paddy fields,
I have seen spread all over--sweet smiles!
Ah, what a beauty, what shades, what an affection
	and what a tenderness!
What a quilt you have spread at the feet of
	banyan trees and along the banks of rivers!
Oh mother mine, words from your lips are like
	nectar in my ears!
	Ah, what a thrill!
If sadness, Oh mother mine, casts a gloom on your face,
	ny eyes are filled with tears.

*******************************************************
Original in Bangla by: Rabindranath Tagore
Translated by: S. A. Ahsan
*******************************************************

Iftekhar Choudhury
Texas A & M University

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh