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From: tjw@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Daily comic strip comming to alt.comics.buffalo-roam
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr14.004428.551@csn.org>, herb@csn.org (Herb Morreale) writes:

> Starting Wednesday, April 15 (something good had to happen on that
> day), XOR Network Engineering will start bringing you "Where the
> Buffalo Roam" on a daily basis.  XOR Network Engineering is based in
> Boulder Colorado and interested in seeing the net used in "visionary"
> ways.  If this proves to be a popular idea, XOR will try to get more
> strips available as soon as possible (within a week).

> Starting Wednesday, "Where the Buffalo Roam" will be distributed in
> alt.comics.buffalo-roam in gif and postscript.  All feedback is
> welcome, but I hope the group does not get swamped in flames and
> noise.  If it does, it is likely that this idea will be lost among all
> the garbage.  Once the strips begin to get posted, you can send
> comments to directly to the the creater himself (hans@xor.com).

I think this is a very interesting idea and I'm glad to see that the author
has approved the distribution of the comic.  I think this is an excellent
use of scanners and the ALTnet.  I'd like to see permission granted to post
political cartoons as well.  I'm sure that the bandwidth necessary to post
cartoons would be much less than photographs.

Due to space limitations and agreements I've made as to where I will carry
GIF and other binary formats, this site will not be able to carry the group
outside of the "alt.binaries" hierarchy. 

So I've created alt.binaries.comics on my machine and I've aliased this
group to it.  (This is an alert to my down stream feeds).

I've discussed this with the fellow who sent out the newgroup for this 
group yesterday, Trent R. Hein (trent@xor.COM).  I hope that this is
an acceptable compromise.  Sorry I missed the discussion about this group
in the past (if there was any).  I'm busy building newsreaders for our
various platforms and I'm not getting to read alt.config as often as I'd
like.  The first I heard of this proposal was the newgroup advisory that
came into "news@pitt.edu" yesterday.

Also, I've wondered if this shouldn't be a moderated newsgroup as the flow
appears to be "one way" or is discussion actively encouraged in the group?

Terry J. Wood
University of Pittsburgh
Computing and Information Services
Systems and Networks Group
From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: newgroup proposal -= alt.president.h-ross-perot =-
Summary: flash in the pan
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:39:01 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

In article <1992Apr3.215901.22665@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <11711@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
>>I propose that the following newgroup be created under Altnet (or is it  
>>HAPPYnet?):
>>
>>	alt.president.h-ross-perot
>
>Why?
>

Good question. If we give a group to Perot, then why not all the candidates
--state and federal? The issues are too transient (IMHO) to warrant a group.
Groups already exist for political discourse.

-- 
bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us                 "...we found that in space, no one can
Bob Kirkpatrick                        hear you scream. In 1992 we find that
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA       everyone can."             --alienIII
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:44:05 GMT


pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
: You forgot a few:

[tons of fucking shit deleted]

: alt.music.give.me.a.break
: -- 
: Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
:              If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure

Listen kid, you don't know what the hell is going on in these newsgroups.
There are flame wars constantly about what is rock and hard rock and
metal and etc.  These new subdivisions will stop flame wars and give
birth to new newsgroups where people can post about something without
getting flamed.

I have been reading alt.r-n-r.metal for some time now and it's filled
with groups like Def Leppard and Guns N Roses, which don't belong there.
Hell, there's even stuff about INXS, U2, and Queen.  These groups are
NOT metal.

Sure, we could keep separating all these groups forever, but that was
not my point.  I want these groups to be RENAMED so that people will
see the differences in music more easily.

The groups that I wanted to see created were "alt.music.rock.hard"
(because hard rock gets posted in the metal newsgroups) and "alt.
guitar.tab" (because there is an on going 'to tab or not to tab'
controversy going on which is a waste of time).  I've been trying
to cleanse these newsgroups, with little or no success.  People
are starting to say stuff like "we can post whatever we want here
as long as we think it's metal," and I'm pissed about this.  Sure,
I've flamed a lot, but I've done all this for a specific purpose --
to rid these newsgroups of stuff that don't belong in them.

So before you go off on what's wrong about subdiving the music
newgroups, maybe you should take a look at all the crap that's
being posted there.  Thank you for your time and cooperation.

Maple

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
Subject: Re: alt.rock-n-roll.hard: Who wants to do a newgroup?
Organization: Columbia University
Reply-To: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.171644.8441@acsu.buffalo.edu> becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
>
>Since the feedback on my idea to create alt.rock-n-roll.hard has been nothing
>but positive, could someone out there send out a newgroup message?

*Your* idea?  <ahem> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Seriously, though, how does one go about it?  I've always been curious...don't
we have to clear it with the Powers that Be?

>Also, WRT Maple's suggestion to move *.metal groups into the new alt.music
>hierarchy, I'm all for it. 

Why bother?  We're here now, and it's not *that* big a deal...is it?

>--Don

Tori

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From: ccs7@aber.ac.uk (Christopher Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Any objections : periodic posting of creation guidelines
Summary: RTFSL
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:59:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru


I have received the previous posting of the creation guidelines written
by Mark Weber from Jonathan Kamens, and will hopefully have re-worded it
ready for reposting by the start of next week. 

If anyone has any objection to this you have until Monday (19th April)
morning to get mail to me.  If I haven't heard anything by then I will
post away.

I envisage a period of two weeks between postings, and as I am using
Jons excellent FAQ software Expiry and Supercedes headers should be both
legal and honoured.  Pending approval of the re-write by Jonathan I also
expect to cross-post to news.answers, so that everyone should be able to
get a hold of them. 

- Chris
-- 
Christopher Samuel, c/o Physics Dept., UCW Aberystwyth, Aberystwyth, WALES
JNT: ccs7@uk.ac.aber  UUCP: *!mcsun!uknet!aber!ccs7  RFC: ccs7@aber.ac.uk
    "Live real fast, still not die, never get old." - New Model Army
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.drumcorps/colorguard (Re: Yet another listing
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:25:03 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <SZBE6IF@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>How about merging the two groups under a common marching-band hierarchy?
>-- 
>-- Peter da Silva. Taronga Park BBS.  +1 713 568 0480 2400/n/8/1.
>-- `-_-'                                         1032 PEP/2400/n/8/1.
>--  'U`    "Have you hugged your wolf today?"

I'm not sure I follow you.  Do you mean reducing them into one group or
adding an additional hierachy indicator like:

alt.bands.drumcorps
alt.bands.colorguard
alt.bands.marching

I don't think reducing them to one would work.  alt.drumcorps has been around
for just a week and already people are considering whether "marching band"
discussions are appropriate for the list. 

I'm open to the idea of creating an additional hierarchy except for one thing -
I'm not a News Admin myself and so I have to work through my local News
Admin to get anything done.  Neither of us are experienced at creating new
groups and I have no idea how to go about changing a Newsgroup hierarchy.
So I suspect things are likely to stay the way they are unless we get some
guidance from experienced News Admins.
 
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M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Distribution: na
Organization:  One of these days.
Subject: Re: Can I find a good pirate board on Internet?
Keywords: IBM, software
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:55:12 -0600

In <rdippold.703289702@cancun>, Ron Dippold writes:
>I'm sorry, but this was just too much to pass up.  From alt.bbs.internet.
>
>bwebster@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Bryan Earl Webster) writes:
>
>>Are there any BBS' on Internet that have "pirated" software?
>>If there are will someone please drop me a line to let me know where they  
>>are?

    Just shows KIBO was right. This should be under the megabozo hierarchy.


-- 
There are a lot of intelligent people on the net that will go
ballistic when they are subjected to something stupid.
-- Larry Smith on the rec.arts.manga debate
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: No responses: Its gonna be alt.etrnl-vigilanc
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:06:45 GMT

Peter da Silva writes
> It's hideously ugly. If you create it I will issue an rmgroup on that
> basis.
> 
> Seriously.



please go away. soon.





Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rutledge@space.mit.edu (Robert Rutledge)
Subject: Re: Starting alt groups?
Originator: rutledge@zvezda
Reply-To: rutledge@space.mit.edu (Robert Rutledge)
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:51:40 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.170933.21015@midway.uchicago.edu>, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> In article <JIK.92Apr7132916@pit-manager.mit.edu> jik@athena.mit.edu 
>  (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
> >Second, here's the blurb I saved from one of the previous times this
> >question was asked.  I *really* wish somebody who's active in
> >alt.config would start posting this periodically....
> 
> The problem with that is that people who don't already know it aren't
> reading the group, and there's no point preaching to the choir. 

	I lurk here quite regularlly.  I'm not a news administrator, but curious about prospective groups.  And I didn't know about how one might start an alt. group.


> --
> Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu

Sigless.
Xref: sparky alt.config:2956 alt.manga:1332 rec.arts.anime:9692
From: MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.manga,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Proposal: alt.manga.creative
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:04:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92105.170402MBS110
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

Hmm, if we can duck around the flames and cascades for a moment, here's
an IMHO worthy alt group proposal.

NAME: alt.manga.creative

PURPOSE: To be a center for discussion of manga and anime (that is,
     Japanese comics and Japanese animation)-style fan art and prose.
     Topics that would pop up here might include but not be limited to:

     - Favorite art techniques
     - GIFs of fan-produced art (don't worry, being B&W they will use
        little bandwidth, and there won't be TOO many of them)
     - Discussion of plots and stories, and posting of same

     The group is analogous to alt.startrek.creative, basically.

  I brought up the idea in alt.manga and rec.arts.anime a while ago and
found that there was enough interest to make the group worth a try. So,
if there are no serious objections within a few days I'll ask someone to
send out a newgroup message for it.

  [Crossposted to a.m and r.a.a, but followups (if any) to alt.config.]

[Your blood pressure just went up.]       Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
 DISCLAIMER: Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions.
  "All my father wanted to do was make a toaster you could really set the
    darkness on -- and you perverted his work into those horrible machines!"
Xref: sparky alt.config:2941 soc.history:3600 soc.culture.usa:2947 alt.war:744
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.history,soc.culture.usa,alt.war
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.american-civil-war
Date: 14 Apr 1992 16:46:30 GMT
Followup-To: lt.config,soc.history,soc.culture.usa,alt.war

Consider this to be an objection to the group.

1) It is misnamed....it is a subset of history so should be *.history.american...

2) The name is too long. 14 characters only


3) It is not necessary...soc.history works fine and this is where I would look
   for the information.




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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: RFD: alt.music.rush
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  9 Apr 92 18:49:58 GMT


Formal Request for Discussion: new group, alt.music.rush


Status: Unmoderated

Charter: Alt.music.rush is intended to be a forum for discussion
about anything having to do with the Canadian hard rock band Rush.
Subjects for discussion would include such things as touring information,
the band's music style, albums past and future, songs/lyrics, the
individual members, and just about anythign else dealing with Rush.

WHY do we need this group?

There are many fans of Rush on the net. The new group will provide a
area outside of the general-interest music groups for Rush fans to
discuss Rush.

Rush currently has a thriving mail list, this group is designed not
to compete with the mail list, but to complement it. Alt.music.rush
will enable very fast postings and responses, leading to greater 
ability for interactive discussions. The mailing list unfortunately
comes out only 4 or so times a week, limiting discussion. I suspect
than most net rush fans who subscribe to the newsletter will continue
to do so, and will post to both.

Rush as a band is certainly large enough to warrant its own group.
They have been in existance for nearly 20 years, and have released
17 albums in that span. Through the last two decades, Rush has built
up a large fan base, and there is plently to talk about in the new
group. It will not be under-utilized. I expect probably over a dozen
postings a day to the new group.

SOME ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE GROUP DEFUSED:

"I enjoy reading about *all* music on rec.music.misc."

A valid point, but nevertheless, the purpose of creating a new group
is to serve those who want it, and fill a need. Alt.music.rush would
do both. If you enjoy Rush enough to occasionally scan the new group,
more power to you. If not, you can still enjoy the *continuing* diver-
sity of the .misc music group.

"Rush has a mailing list, why the need for the group?"

See my discussion last page.

"There was a vote for rec.music.rush last year, and it failed"

True. But rec.music.rush still had a plurality (majority) in favor of
it, it just didn't get the 2/3 required for a new group. I am sure if
there was a vote tommorrow for rec.music.alternative, it would fail too.
However, alt.music.alternative is a thriving group - there was controversy
when it was created, but it is now an established group. The facts are
clear. Rush deserves this new group. A majority wanted a new group last
November. Alt.music.rush will be a test bed where it will be able to
stand on its own or fail. Grant us this chance.

"As soon as alt.music.rush is formed, every band will want its
own group."

No! I am doing this the right way, posting a RFD, charter, and waiting
for discussion. If fans of other bands can do this the right way, then
more power to them. We have this right. It is not up to net.police to
decide what is right or wrong on the net!

Let the discussion begin!
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.drumcorps is being created again today
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:23:16 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


 

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.drugs,news.misc,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
From: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism (was: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...))
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:36:14 MDT
Reply-To: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City

In article <1992Apr13.202133.9238@wuecl.wustl.edu>, ml@jezebel.wustl.edu (M. Lundberg) writes:
|> is even worse.  If everyone on here read every cascade, and emailed
|> it to the originator (the last entry of the cascade) we might
|> see this activity stopped when his sysadmin complained about the
|> excessive mail recieved.  What do you say?

How about an alt.cascade newsgroup?  I would create it if I knew how, 
but I'm not completely sure.  I have a feeling that that would get
rid of much of the unwanted cascades...
Xref: sparky alt.config:3035 news.groups:10509 rec.arts.sf.movies:3358 rec.arts.startrek.tech:2728 rec.arts.comics:13479
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:24:11 GMT
Organization: <<< ESKIMO NORTH (206)-FOR-EVER >>>


   I think that a better group would be something like
          " rec.arts.sf.comparative "                 
I think this because much of the talk already conserns things discused
in other rec.arts.* (sf, startrek, movies, drwho, etc.), it would be
closer placed to the topics at hand.

--
 +-(c)--------------------------+  
 | delisle@eskimo.celestial.com |    Nothing is fool proof, 
 +------------------------------+    Fools are too ingenius.
From: d90-two@czarny.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.metal, not alt.r-n-r.metal
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:42:39 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Apr14.205707.14495@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes something constructive!!! My God/Satan/whatever!:
>I would like to see the following changes made to the newgroups:
>
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal           => alt.metal
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy     => alt.metal.speed
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica => alt.metal.metallica

Agreed. But make it alt.music.metal*, now when there is a music hierarchy.

>I would also like "alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy" to be changed
>because heavy metal and metal are the SAME thing.  I think
>"alt.metal.speed" would be a more appropriate name.

As I've said earlier, good idea.

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Xref: sparky alt.config:2930 news.misc:921
From: linimon@nominil.lonestar.org (Mark Linimon)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:34:14 GMT
Reply-To: linimon@nominil.lonestar.org (Mark Linimon)
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Lonesome Dove Computing Services, Austin, TX

In article <29E90724.14D1@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>Unlike, say, a room, you can put 100 or 1000 people in a newsgroup.
>And cascade posts can usually be killed with one keystroke by people
>using threaded newsgreaders (a reasonable step in any case).
>
>So where is the "deprivation"?

When news admins, some of whom pay for all the traffic their machines receive,
tire of the garbage and drop the group.

There are a large number of people complaining that the propagation of groups
in the alt hierarchy is dropping.  They should consider that it's occurrences
such as noise-bombing, the newgrp/rmgroup wars, and the creation of innumerable
junk groups, that leads to admins finally concluding that alt is too much
trouble to try to continue to administrate on their machine.

Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.bbs.internet
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Subject: Re: RFD: Split Alt.BBs.Internet
Organization: MSEN, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:58:54 GMT

(suggested new groups internet.services and internet.access)

these are good enough ideas that I'd say to put them
in as comp.internet.services and comp.internet.access...

--Ed
Xref: sparky alt.config:2908 alt.bbs.internet:2297