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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:38:12 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1993Jan3.215118.3983@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, ioffe@black.bgu.ac.il (Ioffe Nicolay) writes:
> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> : In article <1992Dec26.221939.9896@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, ioffe@ivory.bgu.ac.il (Ioffe Nicolay) writes:
> : >
> : > Gospoda Vyznyuk i Martynov - Zerkalo russkoj intelligencii.
> : >
> : > Nick.
> :
> : A tebia kto siuda zval???
> :
> : Ia te pokazhu "russkuiu" intelligentsiiu!!!  Nashel, to zhe mne, kak chestnykh
> : evreev nazyvat'!!!
> :
> : Ty u menia smotri, ia tebia, blia, i v Israile dostat' smogu!!!
> :
> : Respectfully,
> : Michael Martynov.
> 
> Gospodin Martynov byl prav! Ja oshibsja! On zerkalo russkojazychnoj
> intelligencii. No ja ne dumaju, chto to chto on tam videt uluchssshitsja ot
> konstatacii dannogo fakta. Vse skazannoe otnositsja i k G-nu Vyznyuk'u.
> I voobshe, ja rekomenduju im vmesto pisanija v UseNet smoptret' v zerkalo.
> Tam G-n/tov. Vyznyuk uvidit G-na/tov. Martynova. I naoborot.

Both Mr.Ioffe and Mr.Martynov could enjoy watching each other
in life when defecating standing in front of bathroom mirror.

Serega
From: macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 4 Jan 93 06:13:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

petitc@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:

>krz@cowan.edu.au (K.WOZNIAK) writes:

>>Monolingualism is curable.

> Well, I think the biggest beef that I'd have with the Russian joke is that:

>(1) Except for Russians (obviously), very few people speak Russian (that I
>know of), and that language isn't widely used.

  Actually, if one were to rank world languages by total number of speakers 
(including non-native), Russian comes in a very respectable 5th place.

>(2) When posting to a worldwide net, it's better to keep it in a language that
>many people can understand.  And since money can't be transmitted over the net,
>English is a good substitute.  :&)

  Here are some stats on the 10 principle languages of the world including 
non-native speakers (source: The World Almanac and Book of Facts, 1993 ed.):

	1. Mandarin		907 million
	2. English		456 million
	3. Hindi		383 million
	4. Spanish		362 million
	5. Russian		293 million
	6. Portugese		177 million
	7. Malay-Indonesian	148 million
	8. Japanese		126 million
	9. French		123 million
       10. German		119 million


  Hmmm..., let's all switch to Mandarin since its speakers outnumber English
speakers by almost 2 to 1.  ;-)


				-PCM


  Peter C. Macko                      Internet: macko@pilot.njin.net
  STAR Semiconductor Corp.                      pcm@star-semi.com
  LCSR/Network Research, Rutgers Univ.          macko@cs.rutgers.edu
                                      UUCP: {backbone}!rutgers!cs!macko
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Once again on restitution of states (Was: discrimination
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:49:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan10.103512.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>the pre-World War I conditions would be futile and senseless. I think
>we could agree on that.

Sure we do. Do we agree that restoring of pre-WWII conditions would be futile
and senseless? If not, what is the main qualitative difference between two
wars?

As about Alaska being the case between tzarist Russia. I'm used to imaginary
experiments. Suppose, Russia will proclaim successor of Tzarist Russia. It even
seems to be real, even without Zhirinovski. They can even change the constitution
as the first thing and remove the tzar seat from the goverment. What than?
Your arguments about LN and UN do not hold, they were not there to recognize.
You would not argue that Tz.R. were recognized internationally. 

Yury M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: Translation of linguistic terms
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:22:48 GMT

I ran into this phrase from the _Grammatika russkogo iazika_:  formirovanie
sostavlenii slova.  What would be the definition in linguistic terms? Thanks.
Laurie
 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:05:24 EST
From: <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: News from Odessa

Just before holydays I received an Email from my friend in Odessa (Ukraine)
It seems to me it can be of general interest. An extract from it follows
(please excuse its English). BTW, Simonenko is the former Odessa Mayor

-Boris
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
        May be you still interest in our life. I sure, that
CNN and other do not have the proper view on this subject
so I offer some my thought. The main my observation is "the
low of transition times": governments are changeable but
the problems are constant. Unfortunately, we do not move
around the circle. There is the slow but strong right
shift. There are many new fascists organizes now and the
Movement (Ruh) is a moderate union of old man in comparing
with them. The main low of our life is the Low about
Languages (or the Low about the Language, if one would be
more precise. And we know, which language is meant). The
main professional skill is a knowledge of state language
now. There is a course of reeducation of Russian Language
and Literature teachers to Ukrainian ones in our
university. Of course, it based on the firm principle of
free will: there is not any compulsion, only one, who do
not want be an unemployment in the next year, will be
reeducated. The big group of patriots brought the low
project: renumber the Fifth Line of our document to the
First one.

        I think, the economical problems are the second
ones under this condition. May be you heard, we have the
new government now. The prime-minister is Kuchma, the
manager of the biggest military-space factory "Energy" on
the Ukraine. Our famous countryman Simonenko (he is a
academician of the Ukraine Ecological Academy now)
pretended on this staff too, thus now he is accused of
corruption. May be, you are interested in today price rate?
There is only one touch: the first act of new government
was setting the least salary equal to 2300 karbovanec. Oh,
you do not know that we now have our own currency -
karbovanec! But there are not essential changes. The salary
is paid by kupon known to you, and one can now exchange 1.5
kupon to 1 ruble not only with railway-stations robbers,
but at state bank too. Our karbovanec fall down in
comparison with $ just like rouble. New government explains
to people, that the inflation is generated by the unnatural
high salary of teachers and doctors. We were promised, that
the government will strong fight with such inflation.
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From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:21:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan7.002827.176@news.nd.edu>, alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe) writes:
>
>I like Aquarium and my favorite B.G. album is Ichthyology. But on the other  
>hand, most of his songs are just silly imitations of some western bands. 
>Listen to Jethro Tull. Didn't Bob steal anything from them. 
>Most people agree that Equinox (Ravnodenstvie) was unsuccessful, but 
>many of them say that one of the songs of the album, Generation of 
>Yardkeepers (Pokolenie Dvornikov) is one of the best.
>I agree that the lyric is good, but listen to that song again and 
>than compare it to Hyacinth House by The Doors. There are the same melody. 
>
>
>I would like to know what other people think about that. Please
>post your opinions.

The fact that BG is a shameless compiler and plagiarizer is well-known.
Still he is a nice guy and a friend of Serge Kuryochin, so let him be.



-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Subject: Re: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:23:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.192144.19079@husc3.harvard.edu> Mikhail S. Verbitsky  
writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.002827.176@news.nd.edu> alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex  
Strouwe) writes:
|> >But on the other  
|> >hand, most of his songs are just silly imitations of some western bands. 
|> >Listen to Jethro Tull. 
|> 
|> 	Huh? I believe myself to be ultimate authority
|> 	on Western rock :) especially Jethro Tull.
|> 	But seriously, have you listen to them really
|> 	close? Most of those "progressive" bands (incl. JT)
|> 	are utterly primitive. There is nothing
|> 	to steal from except common places.

I agree that JT is primitive now. I like their albums that were 
recorded back in the sixties. All good bands became "commercial" in the  
eighties. Sometimes I think that it was good that Hendrix and Joplin died.
Who would they be now.


|> 	Surely, Romanov's flute *is* imitation
|> 	(and not a good one, either) of Ian
|> 	Anderson's. And what? Nobody ever
|> 	claimed that Dyusha Romanov is a good
|> 	flutist. He's a bad flutist, and
|> 	Vassiliev is a bad bass player and 

Did Vasiliev play bass? I am not sure about that.

|> 	BG really cannot carry a tune.
|> 	And Gakkel's approach to cello
|> 	is like one of bodybuilder to
|> 	the bodybuilding equipment.
|> 	And Kussul' could not listen to what any
|> 	other member of the group plays for all 
|> 	goods of paradise :) He played as
|> 	he was deaf. Listen closely.
|> 	And Lyapin is the most abominable
|> 	commercial guitarist, able on
|> 	his best to copy Jimmy Hendrix
|> 	licks. He never did anything
|> 	but copied Hendrix or contemporary
|> 	top 40 guitarists.

Though I agree that BG, Romanov and some others are not good musicians,
I wouldn't say that about Gakkel, Lyapin and Titov. There are not many 
guitar players who can copy Jimmy Hendrix ( I don't mean just technique).

|> 
|> 	The members of Aquarium were *never*
|> 	supposed to know how to play music.
|> 	Remember: "Aquarium is not a music,
|> 	it's a way of life"? 

Another reason why Aquarium has died.

Alexei

 --


When I tell any Truth it is not for the sake of convincing those
who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those who do.
         
	                           WILLIAM BLAKE Public Address
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Discrimination
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:57:01 GMT

Yury M. Mukharsky (muh@physics1) writes:
>Staying on t.p.s. has a bad influence on you, Erland. You started putting
>your words in other's people mouthes. I'm not saying that occupation was
>legal. I gave argument against statement "There is no discrimination in
>Estonia" If want my opinion on occupation (and I surprised you have not
>learn it yet) here it is: It was illegal, but this has nothing to do with 
>question at hand.

So you think that requiring immigrants to apply for citizenship is
discrimination? Seems to water out the meaning the word "discrimination"
to something completely useless. Or do you know of any country which
automatcially gives citizenship to immigrants?

>(And ESSR was recognized, as a part of USSR, too).

De jure, by some few countries, but by many countries not.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: glukhov@leland.Stanford.EDU (Vyacheslav Sergeevi Glukhov)
Subject: Re: translation problem
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:34:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.054351.22552@samba.oit.unc.edu> alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Andrew Lewis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.184530.9989@midway.uchicago.edu> serg@appmath.uchicago.edu (Sergey Reznikov) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.132839.3633@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com (Richard Seltzer) writes:
>>
>>>I still haven't been able to figure out "zhigo."  It appears only 
>>>once, in the following sentence: "my vstretili Novyy god za 
>>>otlichnym uzhinom, sostoyavshim iz supa, svarennogo iz ubitoy 
>>>kozy, koz'ygo zhigo i khoroshego kofe."  It seems to be some 
>>>edible part of a goat.  Can anyone tell me more?
>>
>>Probably, a typo.  Should be "zhira", i.e., fat.
>>
>>
>>Sergey Reznikov
>
>Lots more fun if it's a typo for "zhivogo".  Mmm-mmm good!
>
>Andrew Lewis
>alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu

Hi, folks, what are you talking about?

Zhigo is something like roast meat with sauce. It was a lot of fun:

Zhira, Zhivogo, - I continue - Zhivago, Zhevannogo,
Zhenatogo,Zhivopisnogo, Zhidkogo, Zhutkogo. 

Regards.

Slava.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:21:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <C0I0n4.625@fiu.edu> kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny Kilman) writes:
>
>Ia, bratczi, tashus' ot vashego pristrstia ko vremenam czaria-batushki i
>ego doblestnim voiskam. Hochu napomnit', chto oficzerstvo bilo udelom 
>iskluchitelno dvorianstva. Prostomu mujiku oficzerstvo davalos' geroistvom
>i dolgimi godami slujbi. 

Vy, starshina, ogranichilis' by istoriej starshinstva. Skazhem
"O roli chischenia sapog v povyshenii boevogo duha russkogo unteroficerstva".

Chto kasaetsja istorii, hot' ja v nej i ne chrezmerno silen, no mogu napomnit'
Antonova/Strel'nikiva is Doctora Zhivago, kotoryi v armiju ushel oficerom, ne 
buduchi dvorjaninom, ne govorja ob generale Gabiuline. Naskil'ko ja ponimaju
eto ne bylo osobennost'ju voennogo vremeni. Pust' nas prosvetjat, kogda 
stali brat' na sluzhbu ne-dvorjan? Kstati, po tabeli o rangah osoboj raznicy
mezhdu voennoj i grazhdanskoi sluzhbami ne bylo. Tak chto po etomu principu
zdes' mnogie na majorov potjanut.

Yury M.

P.S. Vy hot' v Americe-to k tualetu priuchilis', ili vse sapogami pol'zuetes'?
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Old may die...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 07:19:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


01/03 Sarajevo's Aged To Die Of Cold
 
   ZAGREB, Croatia (AP) -- Thousands of elderly people will die in Sarajevo this
winter, particularly those already ailing, a U.N. official said Sunday.
   "Many of the old people over 70 will die, especially those ill with
arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes, probably some of the babies, as well as
down-and-out people who cannot help themselves," World Health Organization envoy
Donald Acheson said after returning from the besieged city.
   An estimated 60,000 of Sarajevo's 380,000 residents are older than 70, he
said.
   Other U.N. officials have warned tens of thousands may die from exposure or
starvation throughout war-ravaged Bosnia if the fighting continues and massive
aid does not arrive.
   Acheson said the most urgent need is to keep people warm. He proposed
interrupting the airlift of food for one week and using the planes to bring in
sleeping bags and blankets.
   "It is much easier to feed people who are somehow warm," he said. "Whenever I
mentioned sleeping bags, people became tearful."
   Acheson said in the three weeks before the humanitarian airlift was restored
Dec. 21, women had lost an average 24 pounds and men 16 pounds.
   And in the cold weather, they need about 25 percent more food, he said.
   Acheson said the same problem is facing citizens of Srebrenica and Gorazde,
east of Sarajevo, and Bihac and Cazin in the northwest -- all towns that have
been besieged for months.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA )
Subject: Re: Shura criticized
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:28:00 GMT

In article <17774@umd5.umd.edu> endevour@snoopy.umd.edu (endeavor) writes:
>In article <C06n4H.CH7@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>
>You lost me here. What countries are you talking about and what do you 
>think Afghanization means ?? need more info.  
Algeria is one (it has the same characteristics of Afghanistan before
the soviet intervention in 1979) Maybe France will intervene and play
the role of russia.
Afghanization means making the situation similar to Afghanistan.
(like Lebanonization which is believe me worse than Afghanization).

To answer the rest of your article,
I think that anybody who really loves Afghanistan should  not support any
dictatorship whether by Zaher Shah or Hikmetyar or whoever. A dictator
will be easier to control by foreign power (regional or super-) and will
not be accountable for his/her actions.
The solution is to have multiple parties (a little bit less than the current
number) and to disarm all Afghans and go to the ballot box. Whether or not
the current parties are sincere is not relevent, they will have to work for
the benefit of their countries or they will be voted out...
How to get there from here, well that is the question!
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:36:15 EST
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Kabul rocketed....again


International wire services, monitering Kabul Radio/TV, report on 1/9 an 1/10:


    At least 30 people have died and 100 were injured in Kabul from a barrage
    of rockets fired from the city's Southern suburbs on Saturday and Sunday.

    The government radio blamed the dissident Hezb-i Islami leader Gulbudin
    Hekmatyar for the attacks. Most of the rockets were aimed at the city
    2nd. District, an area dominated by Rasul Sayaf's Ittihad-e Islami group.

    The independent Afghan Islamic Press said the Shiite Hezb-i Wahdat,
    which has had several bloody clashes with Sayaf's forces in recent months,
    was also involved in the shelling, after having joined forces with
    Hekmatyar against the current Kabul administration. Sayaf, backed by Saudi
    Wahabi groups, recently broke ranks with Hekmatyar and backed the Council
    proposed by Rabani, the current president.

    Hekmatyar issued a warning Sunday asking the government to release all
    of his group's prisoners and set Monday night as the deadline. The Afghan
    News Agency, an Hekmatyar affiliation, said armed groups under the command
    of Defense Minister Ahmad Shah Massoud had ransacked the offices of former
    president Sibghtullah Mujadidi in Kabul Saturday.

                              ***END***
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From: endevour@wam.umd.edu (Afghan)
Subject: Re: Shura criticized,  The Afghan Problem
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:33:05 GMT

In article <C0C5Mo.1rL@newsflash.concordia.ca> benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes:
>In article <17774@umd5.umd.edu> endevour@snoopy.umd.edu (endeavor) writes:
>>In article <C06n4H.CH7@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>>
>>You lost me here. What countries are you talking about and what do you 
>>think Afghanization means ?? need more info.  
>Algeria is one (it has the same characteristics of Afghanistan before
>the soviet intervention in 1979) Maybe France will intervene and play
>the role of russia.
>Afghanization means making the situation similar to Afghanistan.

I think I understand as much that Afghanization means making situation
similar to Afghanistan but what I was actually asking was your interpretation
of the situation in Afghanistan. 

>(like Lebanonization which is believe me worse than Afghanization).
>
>To answer the rest of your article,
>I think that anybody who really loves Afghanistan should  not support any
>dictatorship whether by Zaher Shah or Hikmetyar or whoever. A dictator
>will be easier to control by foreign power (regional or super-) and will
>not be accountable for his/her actions.

I did not say that I wellcomed a dictotor or dictatorship. I said that Zaher
Shah HAD a potential to act as a figure head who was trusted by the majority
of the Afghan nation. While Hekmatyar ( the Ameer Saheb ) as his title 
indicates is by every defination a dictator one can not call forme King 
Zaher Shah as such because it was during his reign that democracy
and a very democratic parliament flourished. And as for his diminshed role
in future Afghanistan, well I do not think he will be considered as a 
dictator but more as a higly respected and trusted elder. The Afghan 
parliament will probably do the rest.  

>The solution is to have multiple parties (a little bit less than the current
>number) and to disarm all Afghans and go to the ballot box. Whether or not
>the current parties are sincere is not relevent, they will have to work for
>the benefit of their countries or they will be voted out...
>How to get there from here, well that is the question!

This future can best be decided by the Afghan LOYA GERGA which can decide upon
the constitution and form of the Government. 

Hal was Haqt or the grand conspiracy of Peshawar Accord are no more legitimate
or crideble than the infamous Padar Watan Shura formed by former communist 
president Najibullah. 

H.Abed 
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