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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:03:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

I got the following as an accidental reply instead of followup, and was
asked to post it:


>From pet@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU Thu Aug 20 01:32:12 1992
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:31:45 +1000
>From: paul eng-yi tan <pet@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU>
>Message-Id: <199208200631.AA17575@munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU>
>To: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
>Subject: Re: Ravers don't want techno newsgroup
>Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
>References: <16848DDE2.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> <1992Aug19.220713.6201@bradley.bradley.edu>
>
>In alt.music.alternative you write:
>>The main opposition for alt.music.techno IS coming from NEWS ADMINS who
>>*happen* to subscribe to alt.rave because that's the best place to get
>>music info (or post it for that matter) about techno and house and a
>>whole bunch of other types of "alternative" dance music.  We already
>>have enough stupidly splintered newsgroups without increasing the
>>chaos.
>
>>It basically sounds like you want what alt.rave is, but can't stand the
>>name.  One person not liking the name is not sufficient reason to create
>>a new group.  Even two or three not liking the name is a very silly reason
>>to duplicate the traffic.
>
>>>The projected audience would be anyone who likes to listen to, make, buy,
>>>play, or even dance and party to techno music.
>
>>Just like the existing audience of alt.rave.  Why have two groups to do
>>the same thing?
>
>I agree entirely with pete. Alt.rave is just fine as the home of techno.
>What's wrong with it? Alt.rave doesn't even have that much traffic
>(like r.m.i.) so I don't think they should have a techno group as well.
>Also, it would be a real bother to read 3 groups (rmi, alt.rave, techno)
>just to catch up on the techno scene. As I see it, techno should stay
>out of rmi and rmm and be concentrated in alt.rave. Same with the Orb,
>which appears in rmm, rmi, rm new age, and alt.rave. Total Confusion!!!!
>Keep the Orb in alt.rave, IMHO, because it's not industrial or new age
>(as such) and because it is used as the chill-out music at raves (therefore
>it fits right in alt.rave.)
>
>Paul
>
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ))
Subject: Re: proposel for alt.politics.putting.people.first (moderated)
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:56:36 GMT

swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) writes:

>I am currently starting a Putting People First group in my area and
>I was wondering if there was any way that I could get a news group
>started for feedback.  


I second the motion. In fact, I also suggest we create:

	alt.politics.putting.people.last
	alt.politics.putting.people.somewhere-else
	alt.politics.putting.animals.first
	alt.politics.putting.animals.last
	alt.politics.putting.democrats.out.of.office
	etc. 

MD

P.S. This was sarcasm.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:15:36 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

>Is that the kind of insightful criticism I should expect my posts to be
>  given in alt.rave - a newsgroup that supposedly is "more than ready"
>  to accept non-rave techno postings?

So far, the only "non-rave techno postings" I've seen from you are calls for
alt.music.techno.  I think I'm fairly justified in stating that I review more
techno for the net than anyone else.  I haven't seen any complaints in posting
my reviews to both alt.rave and rec.music.industrial.  If an alt.music.techno
is created by some bozo outside of everyone's desire, I will not support it in
the least.

>Is this an example of the spirit of brotherhood and unity behind rave?

Yes.  We like unified discussions in single groups.  We don't need to break up
our unity with comments like, "I will *NEVER* attend a rave."

>Whereas you seem to be saying "*My* sandbox was here first and you
>don't need to have your own!"

No, what we're saying is our sandbox is big enough for the both of us.

>Not my problem, dude!

Well, as a news administrator, it IS MY PROBLEM.  Breakup of musical groups
into alt.music.enya, alt.music.alternative, and
alt.music.metal.[heavy|thrash|ambient] pisses me off no end.  If you have such
a high desire for a specified music group, form a mailing list.

>Precisely. You listed alt.MUSIC.* groups. All these and much more
>could fall under the alt.music.techno banner.
>The alt.rave group can handle the demand for various partying sub-groups
>(like there's no need for an alt.rave.smart-drinks, for instance)
>because it's party-centric, but not so for music.

BULL SHIT.  I've seen more music content in alt.rave than anything else.  You
insist that you don't have any interest in alt.rave, yet you seem to qualify
yourself as the only judge of its content.

>Yes, that would be:"If you make your *own* sandbox, I'm gonna ruin it!"

No, we just won't support it.  When you have the largest contributors of
alt.rave and r.m.i telling you that it is a bad idea, and only yourself
whining that it is a good idea, then you've got to wonder what kind of success
you'll have with it.

>With all due respect, I'd say the same applies to you if you can't handle
>a second newsgroup with a related interest. The success of usenet is in
>the capacity to address different interests and encourage new ones.

It's downfall is the overload of specific newsgroups.

>No doubt there will be persons who become interested in alt.rave after
>exposure to alt.music.techno. If someone wants to talk rave in a.m.techno,
>I know *my* brain can handle it.

Then handle discussing techno in alt.rave.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:17:58 GMT

Has any one heard enough legitimate reasons against this group not to
create it?  If not, I would like to suggest that someone go ahead and
create it and let folks go ahead and use it.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann)
Subject: Re: alt.mult-sclerosis, where are you?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:42:18 GMT
Organization: UNM Janitorial Staff

In article <1992Aug12.174738.2250@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>What happened to alt.mult-sclerosis?
>
>Good question ... after all that discussion about The Right Name, we
>never received a newgroup for it.  :(
>
OK, I tried to newgroup it, but apparently failed, and my news admin is
not answering my mail.  Any advice from someone on how I do this?  I
used Pnews to post a message like a newgroup message I found in the
control newsgroup.

Jenny
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Alt.pub.dragons-inn
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:31:12 GMT

As an active member(patron? denizen?  What do we call ourselves, anyway)of the
newsgroup alt.pub.dragons-inn, I've recently become aware that there is some
confusion over the name of the group.

In the 'Listing of Alt Groups' postings that I've seen, it's been listed as
alt.dragons-inn.  The listing of alt groups at one site had alt.pub.dragons-inn
and alt.games.dragons-inn aliased to alt.dragons-inn.

Is there a reason why alt.dragons-inn is used rather than the others?  I don't
think anybody on the group posts to anything other than alt.pub.dragons-inn
that I've seen...

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From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:31:48 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

There does seem to be some sentiment coming out now that alt.folklore.
ghost-stories would be a Good Thing... I won't repost all the statements
about it, but people seem to be agreeing with me that it would be a good
place to exchange ghost stories, from the Vanishing Hitchhiker that every
state in the nation claims as its own to peoples' stories of the ghosts
in their home town/college/camp/grandmother's house/etc.  I'd like to see
this newgrouped, but can't do it myself.  If someone does newgroup it,
please send mail to me so I can encourage our site administrator to pick
it up.  (Hi, Ron!)
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:13:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug13.084813.42308@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:

> That is what alt.paranormal is for.  The name alt.folklore.ghost-stories
> sounds like it is more for the type of stories you would tell around a
> campfire late at night.

I think afg is a fine idea.  If someone wants to newgroup it, PITT will
carry it.  While afu could carry ghost stories, there are a lot of postings
per day.  At least with afg you probably be able to concentrate on the
folklore and not Craig Shergold or Snuff films. ;-)

Terry "The Vanishing News Administrator" Wood
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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.tv.talk, alt.tv.mtv
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:47:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hawkeye) writes:

>I'd like to start a discussion, maybe eventually have someone
>send out a newgroup for the following newsgroups:

>alt.tv.talk - For the discussion of TV talk shows (Jay Leno, Arsenio,
>	   	    Alan Havey, the morning shows, etc.)

>There doesn't seem to be any forum for these...Topics of discussion
>might include:  (p)reviews, personality (host) discussions, guests,
>topics, interviewing/reporting angles, etc., etc.

I agree, especially in light of all the proposed talk shows due out
this fall, and the potential changes in Late Night with David
Letterman and the return of Dennis Miller.

>Could possibly become a hierarchy for groups such as:

>alt.tv.talk.morning	    Today, CBS Morning show, etc....
>alt.tv.talk.afternoon   Donahue, Oprah, Geraldo, et al.
>alt.tv.talk.night	    Leno, Arsenio, the ill-fated Dennis-Miller,
>	   		 	    Letterman (Carvey?), Alan Havey, etc.

This setup works for me, NO NEED to break it down show by show.

>[BTW - my examples are taken from US shows because, obviously, that's
>all I know about]

Groups could be modified or added to include overseas productions and
shows.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Also, I'd like to propose a newsgroup to specifically talk about Mtv
>(and probably VH1 as well):

>alt.tv.mtv (or alt.tv.m)

alt.tv.mtv is alright, but an alt.tv.vh1 must be included if you are
going to have discussions on the video music industry.  While I do
remember MTV in its glory days, I can only watch VH-1 now.  There is
an age and style difference between the two channels.

>I know rec.music.video exists, but the traffic usually seems to
>revolve around a program in Canada called MuchMusic, or specific
>musical groups.

rec.music.video should be left in place, alt.tv.muchmusic or
alt.tv.canada.video can be created for the Canadian net users.

>I propose alt.tv.mtv to discuss Mtv itself, it's impact on society,
>the programs it airs (Real World, Liquid Television, Yo Mtv Raps, for
>example), etc., etc.

Sounds good, but this group should not become another platform for
people to flame each other for their music and political likes and
dislikes.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: senetza@xi.uleth.ca (Len Senetza)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:25:21 GMT
Organization: University of Lethbridge

It sounds like a good idea.  But (there's always one of these), what
about using/expanding alt.horror?  Maybe alt.horror.ghosts?
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - NO!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:51:11 GMT

In <Zmd-VFB@engin.umich.edu> malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin) writes:
>S12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu writes:
>>Ok, come on,  Alt.rave is a broad enough group to cover all of
>>those topics that a newsgroup Alt.music.techno would ever consider.
>Well, it hasn't.  I've followed alt.rave since its inception, and
>Kraftwerk has been *mentioned* about two or three times.  Juan Atkins
>has gotten less bandwidth than that.

So whose fault is that?  There's nothing inherent in the group that
says you CAN'T talk about these things, so WHY DON'T YOU?

>					alt.rave is great for what it
>deals with, but there are a lot of us out here who prefer to stay out
>of the party scene.

There's nothing that says if you read alt.rave, you have to be involved
in "the party scene".

>			IMO, alt.music.techno would attract a much
>different crowd than alt.rave.

A much more specialized, restrictive, and sterile one.  Not because they
are into "techno" to the exclusion of "rave", but because you want to
isolate yourselves off in a little corner of Usenet.

Talk about techno in alt.rave, I'm sure it would be welcome.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YES!!!
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 22:42:55 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles) writes:

>> IMO, alt.music.techno would attract a much different crowd than
>> alt.rave. 
>
> Perhaps those who would rather read a newsgroup without such an
> embarassing name? 

Perhaps a collection of poseurs and fools to whom appearance is more
important than content?

Take your attitude and park it somewhere uncomfortable, sonny.

--
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tomg@stud.cs.uit.no (Tom Grydeland)
Subject: alt.whale-hunting
Keywords: whale-hunting, Norway
Followup-To: alt.config,soc.culture.nordic,local.flame
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:55:35 GMT

As most of you are probably aware of, Norway has decided to restart
whale-hunting. This year it is for research purposes, next year it will be
a commercial hunting. This has been a decision based on the recommendation
from the expert panel in the IWC(International Whaling Commission),
but the IWC itself recommended against.

Norway has recieved a lot of static on this issue, and many people in 
Norway, especially here in northern Norway, feel people elsewhere in the
world are unable to take any sensible arguments in this issue.

The newsgroup is intended to take the discussion out of soc.culture.nordic
where it has a doubtable place today. I know this is a hot issue, but it
has no real place to be discussed.

I therefore propose the creaction of alt.whale-hunting. Followups directed
to alt.config

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From: davisonj@bnr.ca (John Davison)
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:11:02 GMT

In article <168459DB0.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.eduo
writes:
>If I removed alt.rave, how would the persons reading previous discussion in
>alt.rave know not to continue in that newsgroup?

        By complying with the "Followup-To:" specification.


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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hawkeye)
Subject: RFD:  alt.tv.talk, alt.tv.mtv
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:12:22 GMT


I've never done this before, so, let me know if I screw up or
anything...

Anyway, I'd like to start a dicussion, maybe eventually have someone
send out a newgroup for the following newsgroups:

alt.tv.talk - For the discussion of TV talk shows (Jay Leno, Arsenio,
	   	    Alan Havey, the morning shows, etc.)

There doesn't seem to be any forum for these...Topics of discussion
might include:  (p)reviews, personality (host) discussions, guests,
topics, interviewing/reporting angles, etc., etc.

Could possibly become a hierarchy for groups such as:

alt.tv.talk.morning	    Today, CBS Morning show, etc....
alt.tv.talk.afternoon   Donahue, Oprah, Geraldo, et al.
alt.tv.talk.night	    Leno, Arsenio, the ill-fated Dennis-Miller,
	   		 	    Letterman (Carvey?), Alan Havey, etc.

[BTW - my examples are taken from US shows because, obviously, that's
all I know about]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, I'd like to propose a newsgroup to specifically talk about Mtv
(and probably VH1 as well):

alt.tv.mtv (or alt.tv.m)

I know rec.music.video exists, but the traffic usually seems to
revolve around a program in Canada called MuchMusic, or specific
musical groups.

I propose alt.tv.mtv to discuss Mtv itself, it's impact on society,
the programs it airs (Real World, Liquid Television, Yo Mtv Raps, for
example), etc., etc.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd like to know what everyone thinks...And, again, I'm new to this
whole newgroup/rmgroup/config process, so please let me know if
there's anything I should do differently next time...
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.peace.corps
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:03:17 GMT
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>

madavis@nmsu.edu (Mark Davis):
}The forgery of alt.peace-corps was
}the result, ultimately, of someone's inability to
}appreciate anarchy.

I hope the someone you're talking about is the someone who newgrouped
alt.peace.corps.  My correction to alt.peace-corps was indeed a result
of that person's actions.  I sure hope you understand that anarchy
means "no rulers", not "no rules".
---
Jef

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      out of Casablanca, and the Germans have outlawed miracles."
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