From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Guns & self defense
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:28:15 GMT

ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

>>    "...and then my greasy dentist fondled the shaft of his dental tool
>>that he wanted to use on me and talked about how deep it could "probe" 
>>my "orfice".  Not as "penetrating" as his drill, mind you, but it can 
>>really "fill my cavity" I think he said.  Just sick.  Those dentists
>>are all the same."

>	Oh please. Be a reasonable person and not a self-rightous jerk, won't 
>you? You might make some friends that way. Honestly, you should find somethin
>better to do with your time than insulting me. Life's more fun when you are n
>picking fights and making enemies.

	I hate to have to say this Ashley, but you started it.
Look at your post which I was following up to:

>	The other thing I'm noticing about a number of the posts here is the 
>chest thumping. I'm *not* talking about anyone in particular, I don't want to 
>point any statements out, but I have noticed a lot of the descriptions and 
>diatribes being posted remind me of adolecent males talking about their dicks 
>Handguns, rifles, machine guns, all described with loving joy. These are 

	Now I didn't address this apparent nonsense at first because I 
assumed maybe that you were talking about some posts you read on a newsgroup 
other than alt.pagan.  Or perhaps that that you subscribe to a private
mailing list that sends you joyful, chest thumping articles about machine 
guns that none of the rest of us get to see.   If those are not the 
case, then the only other possiblilities left are that:

	A)  The posts you alluded to exist only in your mind.     
or 	B)  These posts do exist, but I happened to miss them, and 
they were posted so long ago (over a month ago, perhaps), that my 
newsreader is not able to go back and find them.

If A) is the case, then you can understand my reluctance to believe
your strange gunshop story, as you have already established a history of
telling tall tales.

_However_, If B) is the case, then I appologize for responding with
such a tone, and I would appreciate it if you could let me know the 
name of the poster who had written the joyful penis-worshiping style 
of machine gun description that you were refering too.  Perhaps then
I can find the post in the alt.pagan archive, and I will know that you
were talking about a real event, rather than a mere fantasy.

I can even e-mail the poster, and ask him why he describes machine guns
with such loving joy.   What was his name again?

>weapons for killing people we are talking about! Just keep that in mind. It's 
>starting to sound as bad as my trip to the gunshop where a greasy man fondled 
>the barrel of a gun he wanted to sell me and talked about how fast it could 
>"spurt" bullets. Not as "potent" as his gun of course, but it can really 
>"spew out the lead". Just sick.

	I think you can understand, knowing that if this statement
represents no situation I have ever seen or heard of in real life, why I 
would have an hard time taking somebody on the net's word for it, 
especialy if it came from someone who had established what could be 
perceieved as a pattern of unreliablility by making in the same post 
a pair of claims that I was able to  verify as false.*

* verified by scanning the current articles on my news-server.   
Again, if you were refering to articles from last month, then I 
believe B) may be the case, and I am sorry for my tone.

Jim Del Vecchio