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Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:03:46 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

A previous poster writes.

>>>There is a leathal dose of ANYTHING (with the exception of air)  You can OD and
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is debunked by another poster with:

>>Oxygen is toxic, has narcotic effects and is possibly carcinogenic
>>(in high doses, over extended periods of time).
 
(Andrew Baker Glazier) unfairly pours scorn on this with:

>Oxygen =/=  air

The statement in question was 'Air is not poisonous'. 

This can be disproved simply by the showing that one (and only one) of 
the constituents of air is poisonous.  A more exhaustive proof was not 
necessary.

Therefore the statement that Oxygen =/= air is completely irrelevant.

The choice of Oxygen as a proof of the toxicity of air was the correct 
one as the special case of oxygen depleted air is also lethal.

Had nitrogen (or any other constituent) been chosen then the special 
case of completely Nitrogen (or other constituent) free air would not 
be lethal and the proof that air was toxic would be incomplete.

Derek "Proofs 'R Us" Tearne


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From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:57:18 GMT

In article <92348.035039U56673@uicvm.uic.edu> <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>ow) the cell to flatten and become hard (and also very dead and water insoluble
>)  it is pushed out be new cells.  this forms the outer dermis.  Ps once
>these skin layers are passed.  the job of osmotic controll is taken up by compl
>ex salt buffers.  once the skin barier is broken, the durg can be distributed v
>ia blood to all parts of the body (this last part is also in the referanced boo
>k)

I believe I read somewhere that Nicoderm ('THE' patch.. :) contains some 
chemical that aids absorption of the drug by the skin.  Of course, I may be 
wrong, and probably am.



-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Extraction of THC
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:40:05 GMT

mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
:  
: Now, my problem is that I am not a fan of alcohol, and yet there is a large
: quantity of THC floating around in my test-tube.  The preparation is known
: worldwide as "Green Dragon."
:  
: Does anyone know how to extract the THC from this solution?

: Would evaporation eventually get rid of the water?

Yep, and the alcohol - unless some sort of micro-beastie decides that the
material is a good culture media.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: What drug is Internet most similar to?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:59:11 GMT

 cucem@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Mattingly) writes:
>
>What drug is Internet most similar to?


Television.

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From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges)
Subject: Re: Pot Stuff
Organization: Intermetrics Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:21:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.081520.11579@penet.fi> an2509@anon.penet.fi writes:
>First, I've noticed that when I lift weights while high or having recently been
>high, I seem to be a bit stronger.  Anybody else noticed this?


Wild guess:  perhaps the pain-killing propery of THC is preventing you
from noticing that you're overstraining.  How do your muscles feel
afterwards?

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					-- Don Porges
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					..uunet!inmet!porges
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Terence McKenna Books
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:07:16 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Dec17.165918.15783@penet.fi> an2168@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>I'm looking for Terence McKenna's _True Hallucinations_ and _The Invisible Landscape_
>books; I understand that they are going to be re-released soon, but I can't wait;
>does anybody know where I can get copies of the originals now? Any addresses of
>publishers or book store locations in NYC ?

Hmmm.  _Invisible Landscape_ (co-authored by Dennis McKenna) goes into a lot
of spculations about the mechanism of hallucinations.  Since it was
written, we've discovered a lot more about this subject and much of
the book now seems dated.  It's still interesting, but I'd be surprised if
they re-released it w/o substantial rewriting.  _True Hallucinations_
(which I don't have) was only released on audio tape before, as I
understand.  The name of the company which sells (sold?) it and which
has lots of other lectures and things by researchers is temporarily
escaping my mind, so I guess this whole post is useless.


>thank you,
>
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From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:14:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.095345.14008@lunatix.uucp> chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.181635.21958@ultb.isc.rit.edu> rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) writes:
>>>
>>>There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.
>>

Horseshit. Marijuana (or its active components, anyway) are strong
sedatives (among other things) and will kill you by respiratory failure if
given in high enough dose. Of course, you'd pass out long before you smoked
that much, then running the risk of aspirating vomit and pegging it a la
Elvis...

To put the above in context, though, it's a hell of a lot safer than alcohol.

>>I imagine it carries the same or similar potential risk to cigarettes.

Not really. The only way to kill yourself with a cigarette in an acute way is
to fall asleep while smoking it and burn yourself to death. In the long term,
though, welcome to the wonderful world of cancer, heart disease, bronchitis...

>>
>
>If you are referring to nicotine, then yes, it DOES carry a MUCH-MUCH-MUCH
>greater risk than does LSD.  Nicotine is poison.  I believe (not sure) that
>anything more than a drop of pure nicotine will kill you.
>>

More or less. Nicotine is a strong vasospastic compound, increasing blood
pressure and so on. It's also a major neurotransmitter, so any significant
amount of it (we are talking a good hundred milligrams here) will kill you by
precipitating convulsions +/- malignant hypertension +/- cerebral
infarctions...

Later,

The Wisp. [don't even *think* about cocaine...]
From: jdymond@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Jason Dymond)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Chewing Cannabis Seeds ??
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:57:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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I had always been under the impression that the THC content of seeds was
negligible, certainly not enough to get you high.  The other day
however, a friend who was brought up in Northern Italy, told me that his
father used to grow hemp for rope.  He said that he remembers being told
as a child that he could chew the seed, only "not too many, as they make
you go 'funny'".

Any comments,  does chewing seeds actually make you go "funny" :-)

Thanks,

Jason 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:48:52 GMT



billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>I think it was partly because convicts, in some parts of the country, were
>often worked to death. So, in their usual enlightened manner, instead of
>just prohibiting the abuse, they made the hard labor illegal - period.

>I personally feel that a convict should have to work, while in prison. After
>all, they worked to get there - they should work to cover as much of the 
>$30-$40 thousand dollars/year it costs to keep them in prison.

What is the incentive for the convict to work?  If they don't get paid
enough to make them want to work, they just won't.  What are you going
to do, starve them?

The $30-$40 K/yr is more than offset by the greater damage an average
violent offender will induce when he is on the loose.   I've heard $100
K/yr plus for that one.

I think that for property crimes anyway, they should get time taken off
only if and when they fully repay their victim for all damages (like
half off).   Whether they get this money from making shoes in prison
or by borrowing it all from a relative is not important.  Making the
victim whole again financialy is the most important goal.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Psychedelics Encyclopedia
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:35:08 GMT

an2347@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Just saw an ad in the UTNE READER to order the "Psychedelics Encyclopedia"
>by Peter Stafford.  It's order price is $29 US (paper edition). It has
>512 pages and 200 illustrations in the third edition.  Does anyone have
>comments on previous additions?  Is the book worth buying?

Hell yes.  At least the third edition is quite good.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Fucking Loosers !
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:20:42 -0500

Fucking Loosers !

The WOD propaganda and police destruction of the Constitutuion 
continues unabated ... and indeed unopposed. 

Where is the counter-propaganda ? Where are the facts ? NOWHERE !
In fact, the WOD idiots have the total attention of the public. 
No one writes any anti-WOD stuff that ever sees large-scale
distribution. The fault is YOURS ! While you are busy being
stoned, tripping ... the WOD militants have cornered the media
with their bullshit. 

Yea, being high FEELS LIKE you are doing something - but it's only
inside your head. We need REAL WORLD action ! 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U))
Subject: Re: Behavior on Acid
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:50:49 GMT


I have never experimented with Acid (not to say that I wont, but it hasn't 
been available to me as of YET).  I noticed that someone mentioned that you
appeared "normal" when tripping.  That would be kind of nice, because I know
with experiences with alcohol and MJ that you don't appear "normal" in the
least.  The other night we were pretty well baked and were on a run for the
border (Taco Bell), and I was so stoned I pushed the door right into the
wall with a loud BANG for some reason, and I had to have one of my other 
friends order for me because I was *paranoid* to order myself.  It must have
looked very obvious, considering all of our eyes must have been blood red.

It would be nice to be tripping without anyone really noticing.  I'll have to
try it sometime.  8-)

----====***> Mike

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: edith@triton.unm.edu (peter menning)
Subject: Re: caffeine
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:00:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Bz5xH3.9C7@acsu.buffalo.edu> v092kdab@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (susan) writes:
>In article <Bz3s15.Jr0@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v092kdab@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu 
>(susan) writes...
>I have read in the alt.dreams newsgroup that athletes in national events such as 
>the Olympics are tested for using large quantities of caffeine as well as other 
>illegal drugs and steroids.  I was wondering if anyone could please tell me how taking caffeine 
>>caffeine would affect one's athletic performance, and subsequently  why it is 
>as >punishable as steriod use?
>> 
> 
>> 
Becouse caffeine is a stimulant.. in a stimulant one can exurt ones self more then when not on one.  same goes for Meth and other stimulants it would give the athleat a advantage.. 

Adric
Edith@Triton.Unm.Edu


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From: mross@nyx.cs.du.edu (mike ross)
Subject: What happened to Psylocybin mushrooms?
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:27:21 GMT

As a lad growing up in Mississippi, I remember cowfields full of
psylocybin mushrooms.  Now that I'm a grownup (ha) with a near-
adolescent daughter, I wonder if all those free hallucinogens
are still available.  I had heard something was being put into
cowfeed to prevent those 'shrooms sprouting in the cowpies.
Is this true (still)?  I just want to know if my daughter
could be getting those without having any money (and thus
no way for me to know).

I ride bikes through a lot of rural areas, and I've never seen 
any mushrooms in the cowfields (though what I see is near the road
and may be merely over-picked).

Ah, memories of that Kollege Koolaid!  Damned hard on your body,
but in college who cares?  

-mike

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:08:20 GMT

carmien@tramp.Colorado.EDU (CARMIEN STEFAN) writes:
: I had a friend when I was an acid-head in the late 60's who was dealing
: acid and regulary made (hitch hiking) trips from LA to Berkley and back
: (to score) and was asleep in the back of a car on the way back from 
: Berkley when the car was stopped by the California Hi Way patrol. He 
: woke up to a cop's flashlight in his face and his first reaction was to 
: take his stach, something like 50 hits of 'purple micro dot'. This was
: in the days of 175 - 250 micro gramm dosages. He didn't get busted and
: arrived on my doorstep about 3 hours later in _VERY_ spacy shape. 

The belief in doses being that large is another urban legend. They are
still about the same now as then - anywhere from about 20ug to 150ug. I
believe the average is about 50-60ug.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Marijuana article in local paper
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:57:58 GMT

mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U)) writes:
: 
: will.  I have heard that the "new age" of growing pot is in barns, sometimes
: using hydroponics (?) which is growing it upside down so that all the THC
: runs down into the leaves.  I don't know how easy this is to do, or if it
: really makes a difference in the THC content, but any input would be appreciated
: very much.

You don't know what you are talking about. Hydroponics is the process of
growing plants without soil - e.g. in a nutrient solution.

Also - THC does not run - it is not contained inside the plant - it is 
produced and exuded by glands, primarily in the buds. 

It makes not difference in the THC content whether it is grown in soil or
in a nutrient broth - assuming that both contain the proper nutrients for
the plant to grow properly.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:09:50 GMT

bierbach@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>The question is, is is possible for people to literally fry their 
>brains on LSD, and if so, is it permanent? I have heard several 
>theories on this, the most common being that it is not caused my 
>impurities in the acid, but rather that these people have taken an 
>amount of acid that has caused them to somehow finally snap.

1) You'd find it very difficult to *literally* either fry your
brain or snap. 

2) Knowing a fair bit about neuroplasticity and learning, etc, I can
tell you that trippy can and I'm sure does 'rewire' the brain to a 
very limited extent. During the X hours of dosing you are very liable
to 'learn' something. Connections are made, broken, strengthened and
weakened. Doing a lot of learning in this state can lead to a perfectly
functional, if rather strange individual.

Is this what you mean by frying? By snapping? What are you talking
about bierbach?


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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Re: Mescaline
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:44:28 GMT

ap.7511@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
: 
: >: Mescaline?  I have been told that it is a synthetic form of Peyote, or
: >: something like that.  If this is not true, what is it made of?
: >
: >First off - it is highly doubtful that you had mescaline, or even synthetic
: >mescaline. The usual drug is lsd - although others have also been sold as
: >"mesc".
: 
: You love to claim this Bill, but I've taken synthetic mescaline at least 20
: times in the last 4 years.  I'm not a chemist, but chemists have told me it
: is not difficult for someone with reasonable lab experience.  I've also
: eaten peyote and taken peyote extract a number of time, and I've found the
: mescaline high to be recognizable as such; distinct from LSD & psilocybin.

I agree - it is relatively easy to synthesize. And, there may be some
mescaline out there - either from the plant or synthesized. However,
most of what is sold for mescaline is lsd.

I suspect that one reason there is not more, is that lsd is more potent.
One gram of lsd makes far more doses than one gram of mescaline.

Bill

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From: an2509@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Mescaline from Toluene
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:28:08 GMT

A friend of mine who has taken several undergraduate organic chemistry courses
says that it would be "easy" to synthesize Mescaline from Toluene.  Since I've
read a couple of times on alt.drugs that analyses of seized synthetic Mescaline
in fact showed no Mescaline at all, I think that it could hardly be easy.  I'm
not asking how to do it, but whether there are any serious problems with my
friend's idea.
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From: bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Benjamin E Delfin)
Subject: Need to match drug to description
Organization: not bloody much
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:22:36 GMT
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Hallucinogen, three letter name, begins with D.  Read about it in
the Voice.
Sends you on an inner trip into time and space, and dumps you back into
the real world 15 minutes later.

And is it controlled?

Ben
Benjamin Eli Delfin             | "Bud Tao.  Because everything else...
bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu     |  just isn't."
bed@curaim.phys.columbia.edu    |  Take only pictures, steal only time,
alberich@valkyrie.phys.etc      |  leave only footprints. - unknown
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Hemp legalization arguments
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:08:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

esterling@igc.apc.org (Eric Sterling) writes:
>NORML has always been upfront about why it is for legalization of
>marijuana/hemp -- it is so that people can use it recreationally.
*----
Up front, yes - but for legalization?  NORML has a very long history
of shying away from legalization arguments, and concentrating on
decriminalization.

>Mike, if you can find any document or statement that suggests NORML
>has ever had another position, I would be shocked  -- and I would be
>certain that it never came from National NORML.
*----
You should have listened to the NORML execs celebrating the 20th
anniversary on CSPAN a few years ago!  It was pathetic.  I guess you
would have been shocked.

>Perhaps you were confused because NORML has been slow to get on the Hemp-
>as-planetary-salvation bandwagon.  Many Hemp activists -- as opposed to
>NORML activists -- have been upset that NORML is not my enthusiastic
><strike that> more enthusiastic about hemp for the environment.
*----
That's odd.  NORML has been promoting Jack Herer and the "Hemp Tour".
It looks to me like, however it started, the whole planetary salvation
thing is a NORML project now.  It sure fits with their philosophy, which
is to avoid offending anybody primarily.

>It is would not be any kind of blow to the legalize hemp movement if
>a non-THC hemp were developed.  Such hemp would be legal most likely
*----
It would not be a benefit either.  Any it is my impression that many,,
probably most, pro-hemp-for-environment activists are promoting it for
reasons that don't reflect their real reasons.   It would hurt in
that it would make it much EASIER to dodge the legalization-for-
recreational-use issue.

>without the need for legislative action.  It would be difficult for
>the government to sustain a prosecution for the cultivation of 100%
>THC-free hemp -- it would violate the due process clause of the 5th
*----
I think you meant something other than what you wrote here, and I'll
go by that assumption.  The government can just confiscate the farm
as a CIVIL action, and avoid the due process issue (like it does now).


And now one item for thought.  NORML has been around for almost 25
years.  In that time, do you think we moved CLOSER or FURTHER AWAY
from legalization of marijuana?  In the late sixties, most people
thought legalization might be as much as ten years away!  What do
you think the current attitudes are?  Has NORML accomplished
ANYTHING USEFUL in all that time?  Obviously we are on the same
side of the issue.  I just think their efforts are wasteful and
counter-productive.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
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