From: wnljam01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: I Tend To Be Pro-Choice Because:
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:50:42 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Sep1.134831.18210@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>, perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.234019.8609@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.020302.5094@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
>>>
>>>The "coat-hanger argument" (that laws against abortion drive women with
>>>unwanted pregnancies to risk their lives using unsafe methods of aborting)
>>>is a valid argument against any anti-abortion legislation short of
>>>defining abortion as murder.
>>
>>Which means, since pro-lifers are working to ensure that it is defined as
>>murder, that the entire premise for this argument of yours, is probably not
>>worth reading.
> 
> If they believe it is murder, why do many of them want to permit it in
> cases of rape or incest? Murder is murder, right?
> 
>>
>>>If abortion is murder, there can be no compromising the fetus's rights.
>>>If it is not murder, there can be no disregarding the deaths of women from
>>>back-alley abortions that result when abortion is proscribed. Any
>>>"compelling state interest" must be weighed against *all* of the
>>>negative consequences of restrictive legislation.
>>
>>Well, using drugs is not murder instantly, but we ban it and we live with
>>the consequences of illegal drug use, every day.
> 
> *Should* we, though? Personally, *I* don't ban drug, nor do I want
> to see them banned.
> 
>>Tell the American people that you'd consistently apply this reasoning to
>>issues outside of abortion - like drugs.
>>
>>Then, forget any hopes you might have of being elected to any office.
> 
> Popular opinion doesn't make *anything* right.
> 
>>While
>>you're at it, join the Jerry Brown or Bill "Don't Inhale" Clinton Club.
> 
> Who says *I* want to do drugs, just because I don't want them
> criminalized? Many things *I* find distasteful I nonetheless wouldn't
> want to see banned.
> 
>>===============================================================================
>>Question: If you don't have truck bombs and thousands of fanatics to
>>	  sacrifice their lives and drive them, how do you scare a 
>>	  nation into giving in to your demands?
>>
>>Answer:   Buy coat hangers and encourage women to kill themselves
>>	  with them and call yourself "pro-choice".
> 
> As if the only reason a woman died by a coat hanger is because some
> pro-choicer encouraged her to.
> 
> Stick to facts, don't make yourself look ridiculous trying to set up
> a straw man.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ==========================================================================
> That which is necessary is never evil. If an evil seems necessary, look
> to your context; that's where its root lies.  - Charles Perez
> ==========================================================================

Rubbish!  Most medical doctors in the U.S. agree with the ex (~1986) U.S.
surgeon general- C.Everret Koop - there is a new human being from conception.
Sure; the baby is dependent on the mother for 9 months for nourishment and a
protective environment.  Does this make it sub-human?!  Most people who choose to
kill their pre-born children do so because it makes life easier for them.  Life
would certainly be easier if we could kill everyone who makes it difficult for
us - but then some people might not agree to being murdered without some sort
of fight!
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