HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: "Wasted" Bandwidth
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:25:55 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <01050133.0abmpd@caligula.cts.com> From: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)

> When people get flamed here for not posting to the correct newsgroup, aren't
> the flames wasting as much bandwidth as the questions themselves, or as much
> as an answer to the question? I can see saying, "BTW, it would have been better
> to ask this question on x.x.x," but not posts devoted to telling these new
> users who, by definition, really aren't up to speed on these USENET things,
> that they should go somewhere else for an answer, when an answer could have
> been provided fairly easily.

No.  It is preventive flaming.

Just as they set forest fires to prevent fires from spreading, flames
are necessary to discourage someone from repeatedly posting inappropriate
posts.

Also when a new user sees flames he/she thinks twice about being flamed;
this doesn't help in the case of someone who posts without reading first
but I think in general flames do their job.

It would be nice it there was a net.policeman for each newsgroup but 
that is too organized for usenet and and policeman is not a political
accepted position right now.

Perhaps net.fireman is a better name anyways.

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From: henri@srt-poste.fr (Henri THEVENIN)
Newsgroups: eunet.news,eunet.news.group,fnet.test,news.newusers.questions
Subject: FRENCH STUDENTS <<<<<<<=============================
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:54:21 GMT
Reply-To: henri@srt-poste.fr
Organization: Service de recherche Technique de La Poste (SRTP)


Bonjour,


Si vous etes francais, etudiants et a l'etranger (ou non), 
Si vous voulez vous amuser un peu, et rester en contact avec des 
francais, envoyez moi un message.
Nous sommes deja nombreux a etre connectes via email.
Nous disposons d'une (petite) equipe de presse et nous diffusons 
deux journaux (1 de Nantes et 1 de Bonn) afin de communiquer entre nous
et d'informer les etudiants des nouvelles du pays.
La seule condition est d'ecrire des articles !

A bientot.

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|  henri@srt-poste.fr	|
|    Henri THEVENIN	|
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From: mgflax@flower.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: FTP binary transfers
Keywords: FTP,binary,transfers,help
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:14:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University

In article <1992Apr6.015645.14009@debug.cuc.ab.ca> Conan.Ford@debug.cuc.ab.ca (Conan Ford) writes:
>I've read about binary transfers over Internet when accessing a remote FTP
>location.  Are these direct - I mean, like, do they send the file
>directly over the network, or do they use a protocal like Zmodem or
>Xmodem.  Or do I not know the principles of FTP :-).  (I get my access
>this week.)

To find out how to use the ftp program, try:
	man ftp

To find out how the ftp program works, try:
	man ftpd

marshall "if you're not on UNIX, you should have mentioned it" flax
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From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Crossposting question
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:18:18 GMT
	<JIK.92Apr7120334@pit-manager.mit.edu>
	<8APR199218523445@moose.cccs.umn.edu>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <8APR199218523445@moose.cccs.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella) writes:

   And make sure the last character on the line is NOT a space, otherwise it's
   assumed that the next line is a continuation line, and your post will die.

It is correct that there should not be any extra at the end of the
Newsgroups line.

However, if your software is assuming that spaces at the end of a line
mean that the next line is a continuation line, then your software is
very broken.

Spaces at the end of a header line have NO special meaning, according
to the relevant specifications.  Only spaces or tabs at the BEGINNING
of a header line are special, and they indicate that the line with the
spaces or tabs at the beginning is a continuation of the previous
line.

If your software would really turn

	Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions 
	                                   ^ extra space here
	Subject: foobar

into

	Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions Subject: foobar

when parsing a message, then you should complain loudly to whoever
maintains your software.

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MIT Information Systems/Athena		    Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
	{and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
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From: jtice@butterfly.UVic.CA (Jason W. Tice)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Locating posts by author... with rn, or via NNTP?
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:08:38 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Originator: jtice@butterfly

Okay, here's the problem:

I know a friend posted something on March 23rd.

I know this thanx to the mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu 
names databse...  however, I have no idea what group, she
posted to.

Unfortunately, we are connected to USEnet through NNTP,
so I can't grep through the news directories (even then,
it would be painfully slow).  

Again, unfortunately,  we use rn here, which doesn't seem
to let me search for any posts by an author, regardless of
group (or within a group).

what can I do?

Is there a utility/database somewhere that helps to find
out the current posts accessible by a specifc person?

help?

Jason
jtice@nero.uvic.ca






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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Size of the Internet?
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:04:34 GMT-12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <1992Apr14.035454.5852@news2.cis.umn.edu> rodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Rick Odeen) writes:
>Does anyone have any current statistics on the size of the Internet?
>I am looking for info on approximate number of users, number of universities,
>government agencies, etc with access.	Please list references.
>
>-Rick Odeen
>
    If you get some info could you send me a copy, please?
    Much appreciated.

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with 'junk' ?
Keywords: junk
Reply-To: jongsma@benzie.si.com
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:40:47 GMT

In <brien.702806493@bullyrag> brien@bullyrag.ugcs.caltech.edu (Brien Brian Oberstein) writes:

>How do posts get sent to junk?  is there anyway  for me to set my
>newsreader (nn) to sort out the articles into their real newsgroups?

Articles that appear in junk are there because some other site sent your site
a message for a group that your sysadmin does not have installed at your site.

No, you can't force nn to put them in some other group. nn just reads the
news database. It does not control where the messages are stored. 

Ask your sysadmin to create the group if you get the messages regularly.
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From: Tammy.Vandenboom@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: anonymous posting
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:59:38 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

How can I have the option of posting articles anonymously?  I read the
earlier answers, but I don't understand how to get that option. Even
the "sensitive" topics don't seem to have that option.  What am I
doing wrong?

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From: sa124@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Heikki Korpinen)
Subject: A good newsreader for Mac!?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:57:19 GMT


Can someone help me and adcive how and from where to get
a good newsreader software for Macintosh.

I use PowerBook 170 with 7.0 system.

Regards
Heikki (Henry) Korpinen
Finland

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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: File access on the net
Keywords: File access
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:04:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

jesa@gun.do.open.de (John Budden) writes:

>I am a very new user and am fascinated by my ignorance on what appear to be
>basic techniques. I see from various news groups that there is a vast
>collection of files and programs available on the net, and people keep making
>reference to "FTP-ing" files. Can any one explain FTP to me - and how can I
>get files from archives. I am running on an Atari(don't laugh too much!) and

I haven't got the time to write a book on FTP-ing, but maybe a few lines will
do for the moment (maybe someone else likes to write the rest of the book :).

Anonymous FTP is a way of accessing remote file-systems. The usual command is
   ftp <system name>
After the connection has been established, you are promted to enter a login. In
case of anonymous ftp, this should be 'anonymous'.
Next you should give a password. Any password will do, but it is considered 
polite to enter your full email address, so the people at the ftp-site will get
an idea as to what people from what places use their system.
You'll now be permitted restricted access to the remote file-system as a guest.
Immedeately after login' in, type 'binary' to switch to binary mode: mostly you
will want to download binaries and they won't be transfered correct if you're
still in ascii-mode (the default).
Use the usual commands to traverse the filesystem (pwd, ls, cd, etc).
A file can be transfered from the host to you by typing
   get <filename>
If you want to upload a file, type
   put <filename>
Often these ftp-sites have a readme or something alike, intended to explain the
use of this particular system. READ IT. (mostly in the directory you're in when
loggin in).
Stop the ftp-session with 'quit'.
That's it for today. Try getting a copy of 'Zen and the art of the internet' by
Brendan P. Kehoe (brendan@cs.widener.edu). It's a +/- 100 page introduction to
the internet, covering the basics of email, netnews, ftp, archie-servers,
listserv, telnet. I found it very useful.

The largest atari ftp-site i know is atari.archive.umich.edu.

Part of a sample session:

ftp atari.umich.edu
...
login: anonymous
...
password: you@site.and.the.rest
...
binary
...
cd some-directory
...
get some-file
...
quit
...



Hope this helps a bit

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From: jba@ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: getting news groups by email
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:48:16 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter, Danmark

rivenbur@turing.cs.rpi.edu (Reid Rivenburgh) writes:

>In article <1992Apr4.162058.5883@ruc.dk> jba@ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:
>   simone@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Simone Douglas 577-0108) writes:

>   >Is there a way to receive news groups via email instead of a reader?

>   Yes.

>   >thanks
>   -- 
>   Jan B. Andersen <jba@dat.ruc.dk>                ("SIMULA does it with class")

>I'm interested, too.  Could you be a little more specific in your
>answer..?  I'd like to know how to read AND post news.  Thanks for any
>help..

What follows here is a copy of a letter I wrote in response to a letter
I received on the same question.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> You posted on news.newusers.questions that it is possible to get USENET 
> newsgroups via email vs. newgroup readers.  What are the specific steps?  
> Is there a machine out there that forwards new postings to my e-mail 
> account?  Sort of like a subscription/listserv type setup?  

Depends. Yes, some newsgroups is actually mailing lists that's
gatewayed to USENET News, and vice versa (word?).

If your site is running USENET News (or you can persuade someone
else) all you have to do, is to add some entries to the sys-file
(that's the file that controls which newsgroups gets distributed
and how). I've only tried gatewaying a newsgroup into my own
mailbox, but I don't why it shouldn't work for a list.

Here's the entry I used:

	jba:ruc.test/all::mail jba@dat.ruc.dk

It says something like: Distribute to site 'jba' the group 'ruc.test'
no matter what the 'Distrubution:' field says ('all'), and do it by
piping the article to the program 'mail' with an address of 'jba@dat.ruc.dk'.

To get a mailing list gatewayed into USENET News, you can pipe the
letter (by having an alias in the list) into the program 'inews'. We
use that technique here, to get e-mail for 'staff' gatewayed into
the local group 'ruc.dat.drift' by having the following alias:


staff:			|/bin/sed 1d
			|"/bin/sh -c '{ echo Followup-To: poster; cat;}'"
			|/usr/lib/newsbin/inject/inews -h
			 -n ruc.drift.dat -d local

It's been a long time since I wrote that, but all it does is to remove
the first line of the article (why??), add a 'Followup-To' header, and
inject into the news system (with existing 'h'eaders) to 'n'ewsgroup
ruc.drift.dat and with 'd'istribution 'local'.


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>Reid
>rivenbur@cs.rpi.edu
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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,misc.legal,misc.legal.computing
From: moconnor@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Telnet to Lexis or Westlaw?
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: "Fordz"
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:56:10 GMT

In article <384Q025b10s601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Terr\y Carroll) writes:
:Is there any way to TELNET to Mead Data Central's LEXIS/NEXIS service
:or to West Publishing's WestLaw service?

LEXIS can be connected to via telnet.  telnet to hermes.merit.edu and,
at the Which Host? prompt, type "lexis".

I have no idea if this incurs any additional charges or anything.  I
do know that it works.

                                                ...Mike


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From: smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu (Scooter McLune)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: ftp in the background
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:26:45 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

marosen@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Mark Rosen) writes:

>Is it possible to ftp to a site, and then get a large file, but do the
>getting in the background, so I don't have to wait until it's done
>before getting back to other stuff?

>-- 
>Mark J. Rosen        marosen@gandalf.rutgers.edu

Yep.  Your system should support multitasking.  What you can do is
start the transfer, stop the current job (CTRL-Z here), then quickly
type "bg" to put the job you just stopped in the background.  To get
back to the job later, use the "fg" command.  read the man pages on
"jobs" for more info.

Hope this helps.

scott
From: rivenbur@turing.cs.rpi.edu (Reid Rivenburgh)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: getting news groups by email
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:06:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.2w5tm_d
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY

In article <1992Apr4.162058.5883@ruc.dk> jba@ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:
   simone@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Simone Douglas 577-0108) writes:

   >Is there a way to receive news groups via email instead of a reader?

   Yes.

   >thanks
   -- 
   Jan B. Andersen <jba@dat.ruc.dk>                ("SIMULA does it with class")

I'm interested, too.  Could you be a little more specific in your
answer..?  I'd like to know how to read AND post news.  Thanks for any
help..

Reid
rivenbur@cs.rpi.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: newgroup control messages
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:04:57 GMT

How do I go about posting a newgroup control message for the creation
of an alt group? I've already gone through discussion on alt.config, and
now I would like to create a new group.

How do I actually go about sending the message?

Please reply via e-mail.
Thanks!
From: jgopalan@ho17.eng.ua.edu (Janakiraman Gopalan)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Help Wanted : in Posting Mail
Date: 8 Apr 1992 20:03:48 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi Everybody!!

	I have not been able to post mail to the
news group 'info.snmp' .
	
	Any suggestion and help will be highly appreciated.
Please E-mail to my user account directly or on the net,
the former will be better.
My E-mail address : jgopalan@buster.eng.ua.edu

Thanks in advance

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,comp.unix.questions
From: jtice@fester.UVic.CA (Jason W. Tice)
Subject: what is the file ~/.pnewsexpert ?
Followup-To: comp.misc
Originator: jtice@fester
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:26:49 GMT

I've been using RN with NNTP for just over a year now...
I have a file, in my home directory called ~/.pnewsexpert
but there is nothing in it.

I've looked through the manuals, I've asked the administrators,
I've run it through archie, and wais, trying to find out what I
should put in this file....  I suspect its some sort of configuration
file to automate things... or make it easier... but how?

Does anyone know?

jtice@nero.uvic.ca
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From: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: FAQ
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:00:20 GMT
Reply-To: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
FWrom: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()

Would someone please mail the FAQ monthly posting to me. I am interested
in the part that explains how to set up a News feed and e-mail site.
Thanks

Chris
cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf)
Subject: How do I uncompress an .ARJ file? 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:15:22 GMT
Expires: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

Hi,
	The subject just about tells all. What program do I get to 
uncompress these type files. I know .ZIP is pkunzip, .ARC is unARChiver, 
ect. But I haven't see a program to convert the .ARJ files... Am I missing
something?

Thanks
BTW: Please respond by E-mail too...
John


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From: bj608@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert S. Williams)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: How do I find these mess. Bases
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:31:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.203108.16279
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I want to find the message bases for several usenet SIGs .
For example how do I get to comp.sys.handhelds? or 
comp.sys.palmtops??

any help would be appreciated

				Robert S. Williams
				Richmond, VA
From: li40163@prism.gatech.EDU (Mary A. Axford)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: checking out the library of congress
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:25:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	The Library of Congress' holdings are part of the OCLC
bibliographic utility's database.  Your library should have
access to OCLC.  Unfortunately it is more useful for finding a
specific book or journal and who owns it than for doing
subject searching.  Also few libraries have OCLC publically
available -- the librarian would need to search for you.
	OCLC has recently come up with two new services which
allow subject access to their database (now called WorldCat).
These services are called EPIC and FIRST SEARCH.  These are
fee-based services and are not yet available in all libraries.
Inquire at the reference department in your library.
	The database vendor DIALOG (and possibly BRS also) have a
database called LC MARC available, which is the holdings of
the Library of Congress.  DIALOG and BRS are also fee-based
services, but they both have discount subscriptions allowing
you to search nights and weekends at quite reasonable rates.
	The DRA copy of the LC-MARC catalog is, as I understand
it, available from a company that is doing research for the
Library of Congress and so is not the full catalog.
	The reference department of your library should be able to
tell you what access to what service is available in your
library.

Mary A. Axford
Reference Librarian

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