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From: clong@utopia.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IQ Test Creation Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:32:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <01GQZPBF0QIQ8Y5V0F@ccfvx3.draper.com>, Kjeld Hvatum writes:

> That was the LAIT (Langdon Adult Intelligence Test), which is still
> being used for admission to various high-IQ societies (not including
> Intertel and Mensa).

Why don't they accept either the LAIT or the other similar tests
(Mega, Titan)?  Is the floor too high, or just snobbery?

> If you have the time and energy, you might enjoy the Mega Test
> or the Titan Test.

I agree; I thought the Mega Test was a lot of fun.  I haven't seen
the Titan Test yet, but I have seen the LAIT and LITE.  It seems to
me that Langdon's questions tend to be far more ambiguous than
Hoeflin's; does anyone else think so?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Marylin Vos Savant.  Personal info request <=****
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 20:04:33 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) writes:
>In article <R1PVTB4w165w@iowegia.uucp>, quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J.
>Quest) writes:
>
>>My first reaction to the name is "what a lucky person to have a 
>>last name of Savant".
>
>It might not be luck; a family might have been named for their
>characteristics.  I've been told "Postpischil" is Czechoslovakian for
>"quick witted".
>
>
>                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
>                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
>                                edp@rusure.enet.dec.com


Eric, isn't Postpischil a German name though?

                                   -- John who name has many meanings


 ==========================================================================
       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
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    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"
From: ken@nate.UUCP (Ken Gacioch)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Marylin Vos Savant. Personal info request <=****
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:56:30 GMT
Reply-To: nate!ken@cs.rit.edu
Organization: HealthChex, Inc.

bwbrock@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Benjamin Warre Brock) writes:
[...]
>BTW I would be suprised if Vos Savant was her original last name.

Actually, I think her entire name is Marylin(sp?) Mach Vos Savant Jarvik.
Mach was either her mother or her father's name.  I forget where Vos Savant
came from. A previous marriage?
KG.

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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: RESULTS FOR TAI STANDARD INTELLIGENCE TEST
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:38:26 GMT

In article 18647@cbnewse.cb.att.com, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.031100.27122@ncsu.edu> scott@bogus.network.address (Scott Tai) writes:
>
>>radams appears to be the most intelligent poster to
>>rec.org.mensa, followed by ehp and eager.
>
>That may nevertheless be true.  I propose a demorcatic vote.

Demorcatic voting (or even democratic voting) was never very 
useful in determining the truth or accuracy of a claim.  Democracy
has limits, one of which is that it only evaluates opinion and tends
to fall apart on facts.


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Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: RESULTS FOR TAI STANDARD INTELLIGENCE TEST
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:10:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <1992Nov10.212404.16625@eagercon.com>, eager@eagercon.com
(Michael J. Eager) wrote:
> 
> In article 01GQXWH2YGUA8Y5N5X@ccfvx3.draper.com, skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
> >
> >>From: "Michael J. Eager" <eager@eagercon.com>
> >>Message-ID: <1992Nov9.072959.11123@eagercon.com>
> >>...
> >>>userid         Kincaid Auto Colemn* Flesch
> >>>------         ------- ---- ------- ------
> >>>eager           11.2    9.4    9.8   13.5
> >>>
> >>>radams appears to be the most intelligent poster to
> >>>rec.org.mensa, followed by ehp and eager.
> >>
> >>
> >>Hot damn!   It seems I don't post much, but I pack a bunch into them
> >>little sesquipedelian words.  Finally getting the aclaim, whether
> >                 ^                                  ^
> >
> >Mr. Eager splipped through only because it didn't check spelling.
> >:-)
> 
> 
> Sheeit!  And me with a new dictionary.  And enough computer power that 
> it should correct my stuff.  Sesquipedalian!  And I'll claim that acclaim
> was a typing error :-).
> 
> Does this mean that my award won't be in the mail?

You're going to have to go to Mr. Tai's place of physical presence and
collect if from him personally.

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Xerox of GMAT score OK for admission?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:21:49 GMT

In article <2#11#5WDB@linac.fnal.gov> matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes:
>Ken Gacioch:
>> BTW, and for the annoyance of one and all, "Xerox" is not a verb,
>> any more than you Kirby your carpet ...  Xerox is based here in
>> Rochester, NY, and spends multi dineri to try to keep from losing
>> its rights to its trademark.
>
>Ah, but that's *their* worry, and not mine.  I own no Xerox stock and
>won't lose any sleep over anyone's use of xerox as a generic term,
>any more than I worry about saying "Zipper brand clothing fastener"
>or "Aspirin brand analgesic."
>
>What next, "Post-It brand slightly adhesive notepaper"?
>
>And by the way, there are places where they "Hoover" a carpet.
>
>And "fridge" was once short for "Frigidaire."

Actually, it's pretty easy to avoid posting incorrect information
that can be checked in a dictionary.  Look up Xerox again.

GM("Dictionary Man")S
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Voting Analysis
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:47:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <1992Nov4.173135.3147@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov3.190020.17459@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov2.210135.23942@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
> >gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> >
> >>The point is that
> >>not voting sends one, and only one, message to those who are aware of
> >>the not voting.  Care to guess what it is?  It is, "I have not voted."
> >>That's it.  Nothing else.
> >>
> >>
> >>**Note that the above is a statement that you have just agreed with and
> >>that is a re-insertion of text above that you said you did not agree 
> >>with.  This is an example of that irony I mentioned that you declared
> >>did not exist.
> >
> >I did not agree that not-voting sends one and only one message to those
> >who are aware of the not-voting.  I also did not agree that the message
> >sent is "I have not voted" or that it is nothing else.  I asserted that
> 
> Unfortunate that you didn't take advantage of the out provided.
> 
> >a message is sent.  It is your error to conclude that means a "reliable"
> 
> It is exactly the point that only the message that you have not voted is
> reliably sent.  You may want to claim only that if you wish.
> 
> >message is sent or that the message is "I have not voted" or that only
> >one message is sent.  I did not say those things or anything that would
> >imply them;
> 
> Incorrect.
> 
> >you fabricated them.
> 
> See above.

Actually, one does not send even the message "I did not vote," by not
voting.  One does contribute to the message "NNN people did not vote,"
however.

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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IG in Flevohof
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:35:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <69B7TB4w165w@stam.nl>, nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp) wrote:
> 
> jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
> 
> > So--did anyone go to the International Gathering?
> > Did you enjoy yourself?
> > 
> When you mean the IG in The Netherlands than yes, I went there and I did 
> enjoy myself. I don't go to any of the lectures because I ran the 
> videoprogram so did have the time. Met several old friends (whom I didn't 
> know that they were in Mensa too) and made some new friends. All in all 
> had a good time.

It is always a pleasant surprise to meet a friend at a Mensa function, not
having known that each other was a Mensan.

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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: IQ Test Creation Question
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:18:10 GMT

In article 01GR1D1KFMMQ8Y698M@ccfvx3.draper.com, skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
>
>>From: "Michael J. Eager" <eager@eagercon.com>
>>Message-ID: <1992Nov10.215243.16772@eagercon.com>
>>
>>...
>>I don't know all of the tests you mention.  I do know that the LAIT is not
>>accepted by any organization other than Kevin Langdon's as a standard test.
>
>Sorry, the LAIT is accepted by Triple Nine, ISPE, Prometheus,
>Mega and a few others.  Notable exceptions are Mensa and Intertel.


Thanks for the update. 
---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Help....college is killing me!!!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:31:30 GMT

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

>In article <BxGqqo.2J3@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduOB (Matthew Ivaliotes) writes:
>}I could use the ideas of some fellow (as sson as my app goes through) Mensans
>}in solving my college problem.  You see, I am slowly going insane (only half-
>}joke there) because I am stuck here until I get my stupid degree.  I don't like
>}the structure or even the nature of modern higher education, particularly here
>}at the University of Illinois.  I have tons of ideas floating through my head, 
>}but no money and little confidence to execute them.  I feel stuck, unintelligent
>}, and dissappointing to thise around me.  I am only taking two classes for  
>}credit this semester, and still I am doing horribly.  I am a political science 
>}major (focusing on theory and international relations), and a former engineer
>}who got REALLY bored.  
>}
>}I am now rambling.  If you'll pardon me, I'm going to call and see if I have
>}been diagnosed with any nasty mental ailment which might explain this.

>Your "nasty mental ailment" is called "youth." (-:

Hmm... "former engineer..." and "youth" don't fit together.  We need more
detail on your background, Matthew.

But one thing that I can say is that if you feel "stuck" until you get
your "stupid degree", you're probably too tied to the idea that your
education determines the course of your life's work.  It doesn't have to.

I majored in "Mathematics and the Social Sciences" (a neat inter-disciplinary
program at Dartmouth), and specialized in international relations.  I took
enough computer courses to give myself credibility for future employment in
this field.  I also took a year off to work as a programmer for a college
department.  I knew then that I was studying poli. sci. because I have
a passion for it, not because it was going to be my meal ticket.  So what
are your real goals in life?  If you aren't sure... now is probably a good
time to find out.

I had the advice of several trusted friends, my age and significantly older,
when I set the course for my education.  They helped me to realize that
my skills and my passions were different, but that I could organize my
studies to feed off my skills, and that I could use my passions to keep my 
life full even when applying my skills to problems that I really don't care 
much about.

A funny thing has happened.  Although I'm still not passionate about my
work, I find that I do care more about some aspects of it much more than
some of my colleagues.  That's probably because my whole approach to life
and to my work is different from theirs.  

It hasn't always been easy finding situations where my different approach is 
valued.  But it is possible. 	

-rich



-- 
             Richard H. Schwartz, Scheduling Systems Inc.,
            1000 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA  02138
                  (617) 864 8330; FAX (617) 864 8377
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Mensa Elections
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:06:26 GMT

In article <mike_steiner-021192124343@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

}The AMC has more control over the bylaws than is apparent.  For example,
}they proposed an amendment that was defeated, so as soon as they could,
}they proposed the same amendment again, and we have to vote on it again. 
}If the AMC wants to get a bylaw passed, they can keep introducing it until
}the membership finally passes it.

The membership can keep saying "No" until the AMC gives up or its
membership changes to a set of people who no longer care.

It all balances out.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: jimt@carson.u.washington.edu (James Thompson)
Subject: Re: Analogy tests ( GRE general )
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.151829.19088@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <BxBytD.I18@umassd.edu> rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto) writes:
>>Hello all
>>
>>I wander if anyone has any meunomics or
>>clues (hints)...
>
>I've searched my office and lab top to bottom and have found not
>a single meunomic.  Sorry.
>
>GMS

I've got a whole bunch of mnemonics, but they're all copyrighted by Intel or
Motorola, so I don't think I'd better make copies of them.

Jim


Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Help....college is killing me!!!!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:40:52 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matthew Ivaliotes) writes:
>I could use the ideas of some fellow (as sson as my app goes through) Mensans
>in solving my college problem.  You see, I am slowly going insane (only half-
>joke there) because I am stuck here until I get my stupid degree.  I don't like
>the structure or even the nature of modern higher education, particularly here
>at the University of Illinois.  I have tons of ideas floating through my head, 
>but no money and little confidence to execute them.  I feel stuck, unintelligent
>, and dissappointing to thise around me.  I am only taking two classes for  
>credit this semester, and still I am doing horribly.  I am a political science 
>major (focusing on theory and international relations), and a former engineer
>who got REALLY bored.  
>
>I am now rambling.  If you'll pardon me, I'm going to call and see if I have
>been diagnosed with any nasty mental ailment which might explain this.
>
>Matt

Matt, wait until you get to the "real" world!

You'll have office politics, mortgauges, medical bills, unemployment
checks, lawyers and college loans to deal with!  Throw on top dealing
with your interpersonal relationships, 40 to 60 hour work weeks, kids
and parental expectations plus a crappy economy where you'll be graduating
into a world where the American Dream has been reduced to have an above
minimum wage job that gives you a decent health plan!

And these great ideas you're having now will have to wait until you
solve these basic economic problems we all face.  After  a while, you'll
find that to pursue *any* idea you'll have to really believe in it
because you'll face resistance to it from other people also trying to
solve their own econimic problems.  Most of the time this is not an
active resistance as much as an indifference from others because they're
too pre-occupied with their lives.

I can really envy your enthusiasm and creativity; get a notbook and
write your thoughts out in detail - because in a few years you'll
most likely not have time for such things.

-John
 ==========================================================================
       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: Xerox of GMAT score OK for admission?
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:10:37 GMT

>Ken Gacioch writes:
> KG> Xerox is based here in
> KG> Rochester, NY, and spends multi dineri to try to keep from losing
> KG> its rights to its trademark.

>matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) replies:
> MC> Ah, but that's *their* worry, and not mine.

Dave Aronson:
>...until they sue you!

While we all know that anyone may sue anyone (why isn't there a
separate object form for "anyone"?  "Anyome"??) at any time, I defy
you to name the grounds on which Xerox might plausibly expect to
*win* such a suit.

And to the guy who said to look it up again -- I never looked it up
the first time, but now I have and Webster's says "trademark -- used
for a xerographic copier."
__________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man


Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: zwanenbu@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl (Godwin Zwanenburg)
Subject: Re: Mensa Japan
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa
Organization: Centre for Manufacturing Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:23:12 GMT

In article <mike_steiner-061192111259@192.35.50.131>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.231539.23201@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
> jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) wrote:
>> 
>> The article of the Mensa Constitution that was cited in the
>> derecognizing of Mensa Japan was IX.D.1, which says:
>> 
>> "A national Mensa may be derecognized by the Board after
>> a full and fair investigation, if, in the opinion of the
>> Board, the national Mensa has engaged in acts inimical to
>> Mensa, has failed in a major way to perform its duties
>> under this Constitution, or has tolerated irregularities
>> in the testing and admission of new members."
>> 
>> That's all I know.
>> 
>> By the way, the "Board" mentioned here is the International
>> Board of Directors.
> 
> I read that also.  However, I had previously read (and I don't remember
> where) that Mensa Japan was derecognized because its membership had fallen
> below the number that is required to be a national Mensa.  That's all that
> I have seen or heard about the matter.                        
> 
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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: RESULTS FOR TAI STANDARD INTELLIGENCE TEST
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting

In article 01GQXWH2YGUA8Y5N5X@ccfvx3.draper.com, skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
>
>>From: "Michael J. Eager" <eager@eagercon.com>
>>Message-ID: <1992Nov9.072959.11123@eagercon.com>
>>...
>>>userid         Kincaid Auto Colemn* Flesch
>>>------         ------- ---- ------- ------
>>>eager           11.2    9.4    9.8   13.5
>>>
>>>radams appears to be the most intelligent poster to
>>>rec.org.mensa, followed by ehp and eager.
>>
>>
>>Hot damn!   It seems I don't post much, but I pack a bunch into them
>>little sesquipedelian words.  Finally getting the aclaim, whether
>                 ^                                  ^
>
>Mr. Eager splipped through only because it didn't check spelling.
>:-)


Sheeit!  And me with a new dictionary.  And enough computer power that 
it should correct my stuff.  Sesquipedalian!  And I'll claim that acclaim
was a typing error :-).

Does this mean that my award won't be in the mail?

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Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IQ Test Creation Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:28:00 GMT
Organization: Draper Laboratory


>From: Gus Gassmann <gg@iok.unit.no>
>Message-ID: <1992Nov9.193204.24128@ugle.unit.no>
>
>|>    Scores in standardized tests aren't by any means supposed to represent
>|> absolute measures of anything, but only indicate ones success in correctly
>|> answering the questions on that one test, compared to everyone who took it
>|> while it was being normed.
>
>Yes, but that only begs a larger question: How the hell do you calibrate
>such a test? If you administer this test to "the most intelligent person"
>presumably this person will score higher on this test than anyone else did.
>(At least that's what you want---Scott Tai has been conspicuously absent
>from this discussion!) The question is: How much higher does this person
>score? And what does that tell you about this person's "IQ"?

Adult IQ's are simply pegged to the normal distribution via percentiles.
But some publishers have indeed made shaky extrapolations.  I believe
the new Stanford-Binet has a report ceiling of merely 136, and the
Wechsler currently has a report ceiling of 150.

>Does anyone out there remember the Mensa/Omni "Genius Test" of 1978/79?

That was the LAIT (Langdon Adult Intelligence Test), which is still
being used for admission to various high-IQ societies (not including
Intertel and Mensa).

>There was no time limit on it (I think they said to try to limit yourself
>to a month). They even told you beforehand the scale of evaluation.
>I took that test, shooting for, can't remember exactly, 27 correct
>answers, which would have translated into an "IQ" of 163.  Somehow that
>seemed to be an important goal at the time.

That was probably the cutoff for the now-defunct Four Sigma Society.
Prometheus is the only extant society at that level.

>They disallowed
>three of my answers (didn't tell me which ones or what they considered to
>be the correct answer), so I ended up with an "IQ" of 154. I have no idea
>what the hell that means...

It makes you eligible for all the 99.9th percentile societies.

If you have the time and energy, you might enjoy the Mega Test
or the Titan Test.
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