HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Forced un-join?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:40:43 GMT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

Has anyone else noticed a bug/feature of Waffle's that causes it to 
unjoin users from some newsgroups?  Several of my users have complained 
that groups disappear from their join files when there have been no 
messages in those groups for a few days.  I have been unable to force 
this to occur but the data they have given me indicates the following:
  If expire has expired ALL of the articles in a newsgroup,
  and the user runs a NEW scan while there are no messages,
  and the user then runs a NEW scan later after messages have come in     
  (resulting in a higher message number in the JOIN file than there       
   is in the newsgroup.)
   THEN they find that the group is no longer in their JOIN file.
Has anyone else seen this happen?  Is it 'supposed' to work this way?
Can anyone suggest any way to prevent this short of going back to using 
/keep instead of expire?
                  Thanks in advance,
                  Chuck

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From: prisoner@village.freeside.com (The Prisoner)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Mail piping
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 16:00:05 PDT
Organization: The Village

  Is there any way to pipe mail from one mailbox to another (or external device)
*AND* leave it in the original mailbox?  We have tried everything we can think
of but the original gets erased (actualy it just bypasses the original box).


             thanks,
              Kyle

  prisoner@village.freeside.com
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Functionality of Waffle 1.65
Keywords: Patches, COLOR, SECURITY, ENVIRONMENT
Organization: Blue Moon
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:17:31 GMT

rthomas@hakatac.almanac.bc.ca (Robert N Thomas) writes:

>SHELL ACCESS (How to HACK a waffle site)
>=========================================

>   Quite simply, if a SHELL user can gain any access to your waffle executable,
>then the BBS system is vunerable.  Especially if waffle is suid to some account.
>Once inside, the user running the program simply runs some external program,
>and then SHELLS to unix, and then HACKS the system...

>   A number of sysadmins force users to use unix's su command to gain access
>to the BBS.  This type of sysadmin may have forgotten the following:

>WAFFLE=/usr/hacker/hacksys.static
>export WAFFLE
>su bbs

>   The WAFFLE environment variable is preserved, hence allowing a "hacker"
>to create a set of BOGUS system files, and hence they get a SHELL, and may
>freely CD over to the "real" waffle system files, and nuke your system.

>   Without doing some code modifications to your WAFFLE 1.64 or 1.65 waffle
>release, you may as well consider your system insecure.  If any user has
>shell access, then they have the capability of hacking the WAFFLE BBS.

 You missed something obvious...  Why the heck would you have given a
shell account to someone who would do that in the first place? If someone
isn't 100% trustable, they should not be given a shell account. Not
counting the various administrative ids (on my current SunOS system or
my previous SysV system) there have never been more than 6 shell accounts
including my own on my systems (usually not more than 5).
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From: olive@edale.amigans.gen.nz (Wayne Hoyle)
Newsgroups: sdnet.waffle,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: COLORS!
Keywords: Colors
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:05:59 GMT
Organization: Down on the farm

markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold) writes:

> system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:
> > CHART FOR WAFFLE'S COLORS PARAMETER
> 
> Well, I just tested them and they work outstanding. 
> 

Well I just tested mine and they work fine as well but only for the lenght
of the text on the line 
 
In other words the screen background remains BLACK but the message
foreground and background is as per the COLOR parameter 

How do I change the background colour ?

I'm running 1.65
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From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UDFB 1.0
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 01:51:07 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn) writes:
>    If anyone is interested, I've just finished a little utility that can
> take the usenet control file, and a description file (like the UUNet
> newsgroup list, or the active lists posted to news.answers on a monthly
> basis), and build the description file for the control file. Handy
> if you don't want to keep editing the /waffle/words/usenet and the
> /waffle/help/forums/usenet files.

You could have saved yourself some time. I wrote and released a program
that does exactly the same thing over a month ago.

available as UNET10.ZIP from FTPmail@micromed.com.


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From: a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RE: Modem angst
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 13:59:35 EDT
Organization: .sdrawkcaB sgnihT gnipyT roF yteicoS ehT

morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:

> aleung@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca writes:
> 
> > I was using USR DS 14.4HST 9600in V32. I found it was using ROCKWELL chipse
> 
> That's very strange.  My 14.4DS uses custom USR roms.  Dat's why they came ou
> with V32bis so soon... they wrote their own roms.

ROM and chipset are not the same thing. My understanding is that the
early HST/DSs used Rockwell chipsets, then a later revision used custom
USR chips.

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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:2730 comp.os.msdos.misc:5396
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Pathological subdirectory read/create/delete time under DOS 5.0?
From: wcf@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Fenner)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:19:48 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

rjt@softin.lonestar.org (Richard Threlkeld) writes:

> If we could get Tom to take on the admittedly major task
> of building one file per newsgroup (or one overall?), this would save 
> a major amount of disk space and processing time.

Actually, one file per newsgroup is apparently on the list for 1.66 .

  Bill

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From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 115200 Modem speed
Keywords: fossil, locked baud, unsupported speed
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:12:58 +1000
Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:

> dell@Apple.COM (Thomas E. Dell) writes:
> 
> > Killing 600 and maybe 4800 might be acceptable. But the best solution
> > would be to add another setbaud call that went higher, with more than a few
> > bits so it wouldn't get obsolete. And keep the old one around for
> > compatibility purposes, which is VERY important in this case. You can't
> > just go around getting rid of 300 baud now.
> 
> Anyone using 300 bps should be put out of their misery!  Seriously,
> though..  I see your point.  Maybe this is what will be needed to provoke a
> revision 6 FOSSIL driver.  Anyone know if there's a "FOSSIL project"?  If
> so, who would be in charge?  I don't imagine it would be complicated adding
> this new functionality to an existing driver.


FWIW, BNU already supports setting of additional baud rates within the
existing FOSSIL v5 spec, although this is at present "undocumented", but
I'm nevertheless committed to continue supporting it.

Two ways to do this; the command line supports:

    /L<port>:57600
    /L<port>:11520    (yes, there is indeed a missing '0')

And the FOSSIL API call (fn 0) to set baud rate supports enhanced baud rate
settings by passing a 'magic' number (0x69dc) in BX _and_ CX, al la:


   Baud  AL Val

     75  00H
    110  20H
   7200  40H
  57600  60H
 115200  80H

With BX and/or CX set to any other value than 69dcH, these set the baud
rate to 19200, 38400, 300 600 and 1200 respectively according to the
FOSSIL spec.

The only other missing piece of information is to auto-detect that BNU
is loaded.  Both the device driver and TSR versions capture INT 11H
(get hardware info) interrupt, and if they see AH=0BCH and DX=1954H,
it will return the INT 14H entry point in ES:DX and AX=1954H (this is
used internally for "recapture" purposes, and is also supported in
all versions of BNU).


Also, there is another FOSSIL specification in draft here, although
I've not published anything on it since it requires more work. In
addition to the INt 14H API, it also incorporates an alternative
"direct" FOSSIL interface which still maintains the principle of
hardware independance. I intend implementing a POSIX compatible
ioctl/termios call layer over that to provide a higher degree
of portability of UNIX code to PC's.


Regards,

    david

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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: USING DOS5's EDIT.COM as an editor?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:34:57 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:

> Is it because QEdit doesn't work with 1.65?  _Does_ QEdit work
> with 1.65?

If it doesn't, don't tell my Qedit... it hasn't realized it yet.


       morpheus@entropy.mcds.com  <->  morpheus@f208.n2606.z1.fidonet.org
                       Let's watch the world fall apart.
                      (the illuminati are still watching)
From: rhys@meteor.brisnet.org.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Forced un-join?
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:32:10 +1000
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: meteor - Home of Helldiver and UW/PC

[I've CC'ed a copy of this message to Tom for his amusement. :-)]

In <34uyRB1w165w@eisley.wa.com> wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu) writes:
>bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>>Use Chris Winemiller's expire (CWEXP104.ZIP). It has a 'keeper' 
>Where exactly is this mysterious 'keeper' option.  (CWEXP104.ZIP) is
>the version I am using and as follows there is no such option.

A better solution would be to fix Waffle's newsreader.  It's not too
difficult to detect when a newsgroup should be "rewound" to pick up new
articles with low numbers.  Here's some heuristics that my Helldiver
Newsreader uses (Helldiver is coming out in a few days I hope).  "Rewind"
means set the article number back to 0 and re-scan the newsgroup for
new articles.

	1. If there are no articles in the group at all, rewind it.

	2. If the highest numbered article in the group is n and the number
	   in the join file is greater than n, rewind the group.

	3. If there is an article in the newsgroup with a timestamp greater
	   than the timestamp on the JOIN file before starting to read news,
	   but which has an article number less than the number in the
	   JOIN file, then rewind.

These heuristics won't catch everything of course.  You may see some
articles twice or miss some in some weird expiry situations or if news is
coming in at the same time as it is being read, but I've found it to work
pretty well on systems that use expire programs (it also works with /keep),
especially if news is not being unbatched at the same time.  It's certainly
better than missing large slabs of news entirely.

In the ideal world, Waffle would have an "active" file which keeps track
of the next article number to use for each newsgroup, but the above
heuristics are a good compromise.

Cheers,

Rhys.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: Re: Functionality of Waffle 1.65
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:25:37 GMT

steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:

>Hi Folks!

>While I am waiting for a disk from Tom.......
>I have the following question for those of you running (UNIX) Waffle 1.65.

>Havre the methods changed to allow shell access to users?

Not as far as I can tell.  Why would you want to give them shell access anyway?
If you're going to do that, don't run waffle as its own login.  Make it
runable from the shell prompt.  Waffle for Unix is an _alternative_ environment
to the shell.  I know that this is the main reason why I run it (I got tired
of trying to teach new users Unix!).  It allows them access to news and mail
without having to learn vi (for example).

>By this I mean can users that join the bbs now have their own Shell Accounts?
>This was not possible in 1.64 withour some kludges.
>If not how would you go about creating this functionality?
>(As an external command or by adding code to Waffle).

>I have been working on this for a short period of time now in 1.64 and I do not want
>to do work which Tom has already done if it is not necessary. I am a great believer
>in not reinventing wheels! I will finish this though if it has not been done.

Actually, isn't what you are asking the same thing?  If they have shell 
access (and know what to do with it), what's the point of giving them
a waffle account?  I have one user who has a shell account *and* a waffle
account (he uses it to demo things to new users).  When he wants to use his
waffle account, he can either login as bbs and go in the normal way,
or su from his shell account to the bbs.

>So, any comments or suggestions on how to proceed?
>Thanks in advance for all comments (yes including the flames also!)

>-- 
>J. Steven Harrison, PhD.	steve@jack.sns.com

Scott
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From: zatar@dadstoy.uucp (Terry Stockdale)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: evil DRDOS 6.0 and WAFFLE 1.65 scheduling...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:25:53 CDT
Organization: Lots of little files on drive D:

vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:

> 	my fix for 1.64 and DR-DOS 5.0 was have a line to delete
> /waffle/system/stamp every time after a scheduled polling event was called. t
> same approach doesn't appease DR-DOS 6.0 and it goes into an infinite
> loop of calling this poll event forever....
> 
> 	any ideas? 

I had a similar fix with v1.64 under drdos6.  Now, with v1.65, I TOOK OUT 
THE DELETE command and it works.  With the deletion command in the batch, I 
looped just as you are doing.  Try REM'ing the delete statement.
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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Found the Wafmail 1.00r bug
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:00:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvGFDE.AFq
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

In article <BJ3mRB3w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
>Yes, the TIMEZONE field must be in there. Here's the pertinant section
>from RFC-850 :

I do wish that, when people quote RFC's, they would quote the correct
RFC. RFC-850 has been obsolete for almost 5 years. The correct standards
document covering the interchange of USENET messages is RFC-1036, dated
December, 1987.

From RFC-1036:

2.1.2.  Date
 
    The "Date" line (formerly "Posted") is the date that the message was
    originally posted to the network.  Its format must be acceptable
    both in RFC-822 and to the getdate(3) routine that is provided with
    the Usenet software.  This date remains unchanged as the message is
    propagated throughout the network.  One format that is acceptable to
    both is:
                      Wdy, DD Mon YY HH:MM:SS TIMEZONE
 
    Several examples of valid dates appear in the sample message above.
    Note in particular that ctime(3) format:
 
                          Wdy Mon DD HH:MM:SS YYYY
 
    is not acceptable because it is not a valid RFC-822 date.  However,
    since older software still generates this format, news
    implementations are encouraged to accept this format and translate
    it into an acceptable format.
 
    There is no hope of having a complete list of timezones.  Universal
    Time (GMT), the North American timezones (PST, PDT, MST, MDT, CST,
    CDT, EST, EDT) and the +/-hhmm offset specifed in RFC-822 should be
    supported.  It is recommended that times in message headers be
    transmitted in GMT and displayed in the local time zone.
From: tom@spud.kludge.com (Tom Lemos)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WWIV gateway
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 07:22:24 PDT
Organization: Tater Tot Liberation Front, San Francisco CA

zot@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Chris Boebel) writes:

> Whatever became of the wwiv-internet gateway program? I would be 
> interested in helping to test this program..
> 
> Chris
> 
there is already one... send mail to 1@502 on WWIVnet for more 
information. there's a little program that will let Waffle be a WWIVnet 
site also...it's called WWCP.

Tom Lemos (tom@spud.Kludge.COM)              | Tater Tot Liberation Front
"A little song, a little dance, a little     | San Francisco, California
seltzer down your pants" -Chuckles the Clown |       +1 415 255 8340
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RE: Modem angst
From: aleung@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Date: 6 OCT 92 10:07:39 CST
Organization: University of Winnipeg

I am using the old DS (v32/HST 14400). I was looking another V32bis modem. Some people told me the new DS/HST have a problem. It was not so reliable. And the
Zytel is better. Is it true ?

AL
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RE: Local terminal emulation (for ble!system)
Keywords: mail bounced
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:17:12 EDT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Distribution: na
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

nshore!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!PacBell.COM!ble!system (SysOp) writes:

> It turns out that Waffle doesn't work too well with ZANSI.SYS. Replacing 
> this with ANSI.SYS cures the problem. I will post in comp.bbs.waffle now 
> also. Thanks for the tip. 

Glad I could help.

> ...  Regarding the bouncing mail, I am in the 
> process of submitting my map. Do you know of the easiest/fastest/cheapest 
> way to register a site name (e.g. ble.com)?

I was lazy - for my own site I submitted a uucp map, but for domain
naming I piggy-back onto my feed's domain.  There's a document
by Ann Westine floating about on the net that explains how to
register a domain name - as I recall it doesn't cost anything.
Check out the news.answers FAQ newsgroup - it might show up there
from time to time.  If you don't find it, drop me a note - I believe
I have an older version which I can mail to you.

> ...  One more question, I cannot 
> get any external editor to work. When I reply to email like now I'd like 
> to be able to use vi, ted, or whatever. But all I get is the Waffle line 
> editor. I shouldn't even have to fool with the _editors file since vi is 
> defined there for c:\bin which is where i have it on my system. Thanx
> for any help.

I'm using Waffle DOS version 1.64 - my _editors file looks like
--
bbstevie /command="c:\util\bbstevie ! c:\user\%A %i"
turbo /access=9 /screen /slash /command="C:\TURBO2\BIN\TC %i."
rad /screen /access=9 /command="c:\radedit\vi%b %i"
--

and within the STATUS command of waffle I have set my editor to
rad.  (This was a clumsy workaround so that I can use bbstevie
when calling in remote, and use elvis from the console, as I do
not load ansi.sys so bbstevie won't function from the console).
It seems to work - I've used this setup for many months.

Good luck - I think you'll enjoy setting up and running Waffle.
If I can help drop me a line.

Mail addressed to pacbell!ble!system is still bouncing, by the
way!

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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Logging in again without logging out?
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:48:22 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> I think I'm coming down with CRS Syndrome.
Ok, I bite.... what are you talking about?? :-)

                                   Jeff
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Found the Wafmail 1.00r bug
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:58:22 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> > You can get the RFCs (and lots of other stuff) from
> > archive-server@mantis.co.uk.  Ask it for "help".
> 
> Surely they can also be gotten in the US?  Probably the first choice
> amongst guys in Chicago and Columbus would be one of:
> 
>         mailserv@nisc.sri.com
>         service@nic.ddn.mil
> 
> (Seems like one of those was out of service... a pity I don't remember which.

I FTP'ed some RFC's from nic.ddn.mil recently. That one is definately
in service.

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From: sch@getafix (Simon Hamner)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Where to get waffle ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:31:52 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Well the subject line says it all really. I want to run waffle on my '386
since I hope to get my own feed soon. So can anyone tell me where to get
waffle for PC's... and just to be awkward is there a version for windows
now or soon ?


     Thanx.

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From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: sdnet.waffle,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: COLORS!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:14:54 PDT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

Hello All;

I have been playing with the colors on waffle and have not had
much (as in none) success with them. 

I tried the colors that Mike Shirely likes for monocrome. And
they look nice on my Mono VGA, but they are extremely hard on
the eyes on my SVGA monitor on the work station. (though I am
beginning to think that they look better than white letter on a
black background.

Can anybody give me any ideas on how to get colors? Where are
these color numbers coming from? They do not look like ansi
codes to me.

I would think white on a cyan background or a light green
background would be great.

I guess I could wear colored glasses, but would like the the
equipment to give colors since I bought the equip. 

Thanks for any help you give me.