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From: braun@valerie.fmi.uni-passau.de (Carsten Braun)
Subject: Re: GERMAN NAZIS
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:39:00 GMT

In article <c3jn79a.rdc@netcom.com>, rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy) writes:
> 
> LAST MONTH I TOLD YOU HOW FASCIST THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE, AND HOW
> NAZISM WAS NEVER FAR FROM A GERMAN'S HEART.  

put this crap out of here !!


> 
> WITH THIS LAST WEEK'S NEWSFOOTAGE I AM PROVED ONCE AGAIN CORRECT:
> 

you're just proved an idiot once again  (no matter what you told us last month)


i won't read the rest of your article following below because you fail to
meet the minimum standard of civilized behaviour usually required
for participating in a discussion - stop wasting our time with your bullshit !!

instead of wasting computer resources try using latrine walls instead !!


> 
> --------------------CUT HERE-----------------
> Bomb in Berlin Destroys Memorial to Jews Murdered in the Holocaust;
> Act Considered Most Severe Attack on Jewish Targets in Germany in
> Years
>  
> Today a bomb was placed yesterday under the memorial for tens of
> thousands of Berlin Jews who were transferred from the Berlin Railway
> Station to death camps. The bomb, allegedly planted by neo-Nazis, was
> put between two steel plates under a large sign of a Magen David. The
> memorial, placed over the railway station, was severely damaged.
> Israel's Consul in Berlin and the leaders of the local Jewish
> community was immediately briefed on the attack. It is considered the
> most severe attack against Jewish targets in Germany in many years.
> The police intensified security arrangements around all the Jewish
> synagogues and other Jewish institutes throughout Germany. The
> spokesman of Israel's Embassy in Bonn said last night in response to
> the attack that this is a most severe incident and should be condemned
> by all.  "We are convinced that the German authorities will do
> everything in order to find the criminals," he added. The newspaper
> adds that politicians from all parties in Bonn expressed shock at the
> explosion of the memorial. Spokesmen for the Government in Bonn also
> expressed their shock and promised to do everything possible to catch
> those responsible for the "despicable crime."
>  
> 
> LOVELY, FUCKING LOVELY.
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> cj gypsy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.roots
From: ss6349@tyr.albany.edu (Steven H. Schimmrich)
Subject: Nickname question.
Originator: ss6349@tyr.albany.edu
Organization: Department of Geological Sciences, SUNY at Albany
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:14:44 GMT


   I was wondering if some German-speaking people can help me out with this
one...

   I am doing genealogical research on my family and I had an uncle who was
nicknamed "Mutzi" (I'm not sure of the spelling but that's what it sounded
like) by his German parents, aunts, and uncles.  All of the people involved
are deceased or have no idea what the nickname meant but my aunt said that
her aunt told her that "It's a name you call a dog" (i.e. little mutt).  Is
that true?  Is it a real word (it's not in any of the German dictionaries I
consulted) or a made-up word?

   Thanks.

--
Steven H. Schimmrich     Department of Geological Sciences         "Non semper
ss6349@csc.albany.edu    State University of New York at Albany   ea sunt quae
ss6349@albnyvms.bitnet   Albany, New York 12222  (518) 442-4466   videntur."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:59:18 GMT

In article <dobo.715538751@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>>In article <BtKKrL.CIM@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> rjromanc@sun1.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Romanczyk) writes:
>[...]

>>c) Most of the Jews in what was Poland in 1939 were there because of
>>the old Russian policy of the Pale of Settlement.  The Poles had little
>>to say about this.

>You may wish to learn this: in 1764, there were about 750,000 Jews in
>Poland (about 6%) of the population, living mainly in the Ukraine (44%)
>and Lithuania+Bielorussia) (27%). The proportion was not much different
>than in 1931, with one exception: immigration from Germany (I do not know
>why, but as soon as Prussia occupied western Poland, numerous Jews moved
>East.
>(source: Artur Eisenbach: Emancypacja ...)

Well, if you count Silesia as Polish, then the Prussian occupation 
began as early as 1742, i.e., before your first date.

As for your last date, this ignores the reassignment of portions
of pre-WWI Germany to post-WWI Poland.

[Later...]

>>>Plans for these camps were conceived before the war even started.  There


>[...]
>Come on, this is hogwash. Give proof or talk about fishing, instead.

Excuse me, but I didn't write this.  In fact, I responded to it.  It's
one set of >'s before me.

>>>may have been Anti-Semetism in many parts of Europe (including Poland),
>>>but hey, let's face it: no one else resorted to genocide except the German
>>>Nazis.

>>Nobody else waged a war in order to do it.  But nobody stood up for 
>>the Jews when they were deported, in most cases; and where people *did*
>>stand up, it had a palpable effect.

>Let us talk France. Did it have any effect? Did they stand up?

No, not a whole lot.  On the other hand, the terms of occupation were
different.

>And what exactly is "standing up" in a country run by machine gun?

It can take many forms.  As I have noted elsewhere, I was misinformed 
on issues of collaboration and occupation, and apologize for that.  

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.australian
From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Subject: Re: German-Australian Dual Citizenship
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:08:33 GMT

In article <8SEP199223071849@erich.triumf.ca> ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
>>Why would you want to take up Canadian Citizenship? ;-)
>> 
>	To keep your job, perhaps?  Have you read the little blurb at the
>bottom of all job advertisements for Canada?  I got kicked out of Canada
>because I refused to take any steps to Canadian citizenship.  I have it on good
>authority that at one stage Manpower & Immigration officers at SFU would
>consider that a Canadian with a PhD in _any_ field of chemistry would be given
>preference over a foreigner with a PhD in the specific field advertised.

I have L.I. status so no one has to justify to Manpower and Immigration as to
why they should give me a job.  What I cant do is vote (and I'd like to), or
work for the goverment (though I think that rule is flexible in practice).

The worse thing about LI status is that I lose it if I leave Canada for a
period of more than 6 months, though extensions to 1 year are relatively easy
to obtain.
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Is it starting again?
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:37:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep11.183037.17555@ichips.intel.com> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>
>The social welfare system is skewed towards the elderly for a very
>simple reason.  Geezers vote, kids don't.  That's why there is national
>health insurance for the elderly, but none for children or working families.
>That's why teenagers making minimum wage pay a 7.5% income tax to fund 
>pensions for wealthy retirees with "I'm spending my kid's inheritance"
>license plate holders on their RV's.  And so on.
>

You see, old people don't necessarily are useless scum, who should be
left alone until they die and stop being a burden for happy college
graduates. It may come as a surprise to you, but they had actually worked
their lives for this (or any) country and deserve decent living AFTER THEY
CAN WORK NO LONGER. I suppouse , their only mistake was (is) not to teach
happy college graduates about foolishess of _don't give a shit_ attitude.


--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania |Due to circumstances beyond
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter |your control, you're master of 
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                |your fate and captain of your soul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Is it starting again?
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:23:18 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.german ]
[ Author was Carl Camurca ]
[ Posted on 8 Sep 92 19:58:00 GMT ]

[nice, well-tempered speaking deleted]

DCC>My wife and I have been considering moving to
DCC>Germany at some point to futher her operatic career and for me to seek
DCC>further opportunity in computer networks and such.  I have to admit that
DCC>these stories do tend to scare us into a belief the the right wing is
DCC>growing in strength and that this is representative of many Germans.  Your
DCC>comments help to counteract this assumption and to explain the motivations
DCC>behind some of these actions.

I hope, my comments help to open the eyes. If there is 1 in a subway
wagon, who carries a knife, that is one to many to kill somebody because
of the skin color. Well, admittedly, he is a minority. And this happens
these days in Germany. It can't be denied or belittled by whosoever or
whatsoever. It's a fact.

If you or you wife happens to have another skin color than white, I
would strongly recommend to stay away at least from East Germany.

BTW, what do you do to adress the "bigger problems", which had the LA
symptoms in your country?

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * It is easy to be tolerant when you do not care
                    
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From: branley@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:31:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

  .... Why the camps were on polish soil?


     Most of Jews lived in eas. Europe ;Poland,USSR,Hungary,Germany etc.

    The best localisation was  to realize the endlosung was in GG and in east
Germany...


















                                                                       ......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Re: Violence update 12.09.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:02:59 GMT

I wrote:

>The Bundes-
>president, Richard v. Weizaecker, gave a statement in
>Austria, but I've forgotten what exactly he said.

The tagespiegel helped me out this morning. He said that the refugee
problem is a European problem, not just one for the countries that
are are on the borders. He said that he sees a vast majority of
Germans opposed to violence. And he's sure it will quiet down soon.
He did not state where he saw this majority. [<-- This is a personal
peeve, I'm disappointed that he has not firmly stated that the
violence must stop.] The editorial on page 1 made a connection to the
Frence referendum next Sunday, saying that only a united Europe 
would keep Germany in check.

The tagesspiegel also printed a long letter to the editor from 2
professors from the Virgin Islands that are on a speaking tour in
Germany. They wrote of the fear they now feel as dark-skinned persons
and about places they avoid. They also wrote of 1932, and how they
have often spoken with people who said that they were sorry they were
so passive when the Jews were being made national scapegoats. The
professors found many parallels between 1992 and 1932, and wrote that
they hoped that it would not go further, and that people would
arouse from their passivity and put a stop to the violence.

-- 
Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))
From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: BOX-LIVING
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:51:18 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: Violence update 12.09.92
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:06:32 GMT

In article <PCY6JGV@math.fu-berlin.de>, weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff) writes:
>In a town near Mannheim (Hessen?) a fire bomb was
			  ^^^^^^^
Baden-Wuerttemberg.

-- 
thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
Science is like democracy - it's not perfect, but it's the best thing available.
From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Re: Aussiedler
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:54:30 GMT

carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:

>AC>Laut mehreren Posts haben die territorialen Ansprueche der BRD mit der
>AC>Wiedervereinigung eine Ende genommen.

>AC>Aber, was sind dann die Aussiedler ? Sind sie deutsch oder nicht ?
>AC>Haben sie eine doppelte Staatsangehoerigkeit ? Wer wird als deutsch
>AC>empfunden? Ist das mittels der Grenzen von 1937 bestimmt ?

>Jeder, dessen Familie einmal einen Deutschen Schaeferhund hatte.
>Natuerlich nicht laenger als 300 Jahre her.

Hmmm... ist mir neu, dass die Sowjets Leute mit deutschen Schaeferhunden
zur Arbeit in Arbeitslagern (nach Ende des Krieges) verschleppt hat.
Sie haben natuerlich ganz pingelig auf die 300 Jahre geachtet.

Peter


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Shaughnessy)
Subject: Dokumenta.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:25:01 GMT

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I am looking for info concerning the multi-media project of the dokumeta,
a programm broadcast throughout germany, and is a live broadcast.  I found
out how to access the modem part of this prgram, but am wondering when,
exactly EST( for the usa) is this programm broadcast in the frankfurtAM
area.  Any info concerning this channel(Dokumenta) would be greatly
appreciated.
From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Waigels Haushaltsentwurf
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:22:22 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.german ]
[ Author was M. Maisack ]
[ Posted on 9 Sep 92 15:07:53 GMT ]

...umfasst 435 Mrd. DM fuer 1993.

Dafuer entfallen 100 fuer Arbeit und Soziales,
58 fuer die Bezahlung von Schulden und Zinsen,
auf Platz 3 folgt Verteidigung mit 50.8

die Neuverschuldung soll um 2.5 Mrd auf 38 sinken.

quelle: stuttgarter ztg.

michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.australian
From: lawriew@runx.oz.au (Lawrie Waller)
Subject: Re: German-Australian Dual Citizenship
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:26:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.024021.1913@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.235338.689@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
>>In article <Bu7Fr3.Ip0@alsvid.une.edu.au> dmiller@elli.une.edu.au writes:
>>|
>>|A good friend of mine, a German national, wants to know if Dual
>>|Citizenship is now possible with Australia.  He has heard rumours
>>|of policies being relaxed given the EC trend.  Does anyone know
>>|if it is possible?  (Antwort im Deutsche Sprache ist okay.)
>>|
>>
>>From Australia's point of view, dual citizenship is not a problem.
>>So, in this case, it is really up to Germany whether the applicant
>>is allowed to keep the German citizenship after he is granted Aust.
>>citizenship.
>
>Yeah but if I want to take up Canadian citizenship I have to hand in my
>Australian passport.  Whats the rationale behind this double standard. 
>
>
>
>
This appears to be one time that the Canuks have got it right! It
might also be of interest to readers that people holding dual
citizenship in Australia should not be allowed to sit in our federal
parliament-see section 41.1 of the Australian constitution. Despite
this totally clear and unequivocal requirement some 20 feds hold dual
citizenship!!! What's the rationale behind this flaunting of our
constitution????


-- 
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lawriew@runx.oz.au              |Friend is sometimes a word devoid of
Lawrie Waller-SYDNEY AUS        |meaning;enemy,never.(Victor Hugo)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Schoenling
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: umlaut
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:41:26 GMT
Reply-To: dtracy@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Sep10.222944.15668@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
(Bob von Buelow) writes:
>In an article posted in another newsgroup I saw displayed on my
>SUN SPARCstation an umlauted-A.  I would like to know how to 
>enter such characters so that I could correctly enter my name.
>
>Any help?
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>--
>Bob von Buelow             Mars Observer Planning and Sequencing Element
>bobv@quarky.jpl.nasa.gov         - standard disclaimers apply -
>
I don't know about other terminals, but from my Macintosh IIci
you push the 'option' key and hold it while pushing the desired
key to have the umlaut, then let go of both keys and push the 
desired key again.  Speaking for my family, we stopped using
it generations ago, even before we left Erlenbach(Kandel, Pfalz, Bayern).

Now that I think about it, that only works on Mac applications.
The mail server doesn't recognize it.

-------
Richard Schoenling
Internet:dtracy@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.politik
From: tilo@bernina.ethz.ch (Tilo Levante)
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:19:45 GMT

hm342st@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Michael Staats) writes:

>In <92Aug27.122408edt.47520@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede) writes:

>Hallo Leser au\3erhalb Deutschlands,

>ich finde, es ist eine gute Idee, mal hierhin zu posten, wie
>Ihr die Situation in der BRD so von au\3en seht.
>In anderen L"andern gibt es ja auch Rechtsextremisten (Frankreich:
>Le Pen, ...) und vermutlich auch ausl"anderfeindliche Tendenzen.
>Ist das vergleichbar? Oder sind die Deutschen (eigentlich m"usste
>ich wir Deutschen schreiben, aber mit diesem Volk kann ich mich
>immer weniger identifizieren) auf dem Weg ins 4. Reich?

Ich bin zwar auch Deutscher, also mit dieser Aufforderung nicht gemeint.
Aber trotzdem mein Kommentar zur Situation in der Schweiz:

  a) Ueber ein Jahr vor den ersten groesseren Aungriffen auf die
     Asylanten in Deutschland gab es hier in der Schweiz 
     "ubergriffe auf Asylantenwohnheime. In einem Fall war die
     Polizei sogar anwesend und hat einfach in die andere Richtung
     geschaut. In einem anderen Fall wurde eine Gruppe von Asylanten
     von einer bewaffneten "B"urgerwehr" aus einer Ortschaft vertrieben.

  b) Die Diskussionen, die ich im Zug (ich pendele zw. Zuerich und Basel)
     mitbekomme sind z.T. sehr ausl"anderfeindlich, insbesondere wenn
     es um Wohnungen geht.

  c) Die Polizei erscheint mir hier ebenfalls sehr voreingenommen, z.B.
     gab es vor kurzem einen Bericht, dass von "uber 100 wegen Drogen-
     delikten in Zuerich festgenommenen nur einer ein Schweizer und
     ich glaube etwa 70 Asylbewerber waren (genaue Zahlen kann ich
     suchen, falls gewuenscht).

  d) Aus eigener Erfahrung kann ich nur sagen, dass die Schweizer
     Grenzbehoerden sehr unfreundlich gegenueber einwandern sind
     (mit den Zuercher Behoerden habe ich hingegen nur gute Erfahrungen
     gemacht). Bei der Einreise musste ich eine TB-Untersuchung ueber
     mich ergehen lassen und danach wurde mein Reisepass einbehalten,
     biss der Arzt die R"ongtenbilder begutachtet hat. Ich konnte meine
     Papiere nach einigen Stunden abhohlen. 

     Fuer mich war das kein Problem, aber ich kann mir nur zu gut
     vorstellen, wie es ist ohne Reisepass in einer fremden Stadt in
     einem fremden Land zu sein (Ich hatte noch einen Personalausweis)

Ich glaube die Situation ist hier extremer als in Deutschland, 
insbesondere da man hier keine Angst vor der braunen Grefahr hat. Sie
wird (meiner Meinugn nach) unterschaetzt.

Tilo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: Re: Shopping Hours, etc.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:50:44 GMT

American cars are SheiBe. No argument or debate needed. What is more,
most Americans cannot drive. 

American cars utilize cheap materials, most of them don't have
yellow turn signal lamps, (Americans don't use their directional
signals) the brakes are shoddy and under-powered, the bodies are
made of metal and large amounts of plastic, the Cadillac, which
Americans tout as the best car Americans can buy if they want to 
"buy American", is a big boat that changes styles every year.

I drive a 1971 Mercedes Benz 220D, a nice example of form follows
function. It has disc brakes on all four wheels, has no racing
stripes, and is not a toy.

America is one big fucked-up country with a lot of
violence and stupidity and a dumb President who deserves 
the public he has.

Deutschland ueber Alles, and that is meant in a purely qualitative
manner. I am an intense pacifist and I think we need less fighting.

Skinheads are shitheads.
From: dmiller@alsvid.une.edu.au (David Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.australian
Subject: German-Australian Dual Citizenship
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:57:03 GMT
Reply-To: dmiller@elli.une.edu.au
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)


A good friend of mine, a German national, wants to know if Dual
Citizenship is now possible with Australia.  He has heard rumours
of policies being relaxed given the EC trend.  Does anyone know
if it is possible?  (Antwort im Deutsche Sprache ist okay.)

Thanks.
-- 
David M Miller                   "Just because they're yelling at you
PO Box 695                       doesn't mean you are wrong".
Hornsby NSW 2077, Australia      --  Ritchie Garcia, baseball umpire
Internet: dmiller@elli.une.edu.au / C$: 100032,341 / GE: D.MILLER3@GENIE
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