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From: osm8502@summa.tamu.edu (Omezee-SaMe Still)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Searching for Tezeeb in Wayne State University.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:35 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: summa.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Can someone can send me Tezeeb's email address.
He is in EE in Wayne State University.

Omez S.Mesina
osm8502@summa.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb)
Subject: natural genius .....
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:16:53 GMT


Amitabha Lahiri writes about my use of the phrase "natural genius of the
Indian race". I did not use the word genius to imply that Indians
are a race of budding Einsteins. The word genius is often used in the
following sense:

 " the special characteristics of an age, culture, people or institution"
             ----- New Webster's Dictionary and Thesaurus (pg 397)

This was what I meant. By the way, I have never read Nietzsche. Thanks
for your interest, though.
                                  Arghya Deb
From: nbindal@hfglobe.intel.com (Niraj Bindal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Waiver of J-1 residency requirement for Indians DOCTORS (medical)?
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:11:36 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

a


MAIN Q' :
      Is there anybody who has successfully obtained a waiver of J-1
      residency requirements for Indian Doctors. This specific situation
      is for a friend who finished MBBS (bachelor in medicine) from India,
      Completed his Residency in US, and is now persuing Fellowship in the US.

The previous reply for J1 visa regulations was very informative.  Thank you
very much for posting such a detailed ans.

This question is for a friend. He being a medical Doctor does not have
access to any sort of network.  I have conveyed the information to him but
he has some extensions to the same issue.

ANY INFORMATION WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED

1) Obtaining the No Objection Letter (as he put it) is the main part of the 
procedure for Engineers.  But being a Medical Doctor this is not enough.

2)Being a Doctor he has to show to the US consulate that he cannot be of 
much use in his Home country.  This is by showing the area of research he is
persuing in US is not developed in India (or something similar).
BTW: He mentioned that he can continue his research indefinately in US.

3)Marrying a Permanent Resident/Citizen of US does not effect his situattion
at all. except for the fact that coming to US AFTER 2 YEARS (incase the spouse
is a US citizen) woiuld become easier.

4)Working for the STATE(instead of private practice) in some way might also change his chances favourably.
But he is not too clear on that either.

Any comments or direction towards knowledgeable source would be very helpful.

I will definately post a summary of replies.

Thanks a bunch.

Niraj Bindal
nbindal@pcocd2.intel.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: danam@asm.cs.psu.edu (Chandra S Danam)
Subject: Re: we the indians!!!
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:48:39 GMT

Vijay Fafat writes:

>Chandra Danam writes:
>
>>  Before I begin I would like to stress the fact that everyone
>>  in this world has a right to his or her own opinion.
>>  Having a certain opinion does not mean that it is right or wrong.
>>  We need positive and negative things to understand the nature
>>  of things and thereby, survive in this world.
>>
>>  What kind of people are we?  Most of us are interested in
>>  making money and nothing else..
>
>	You've tripped yourself badly. In the first para, you talk about
>	right to opinion. In the second, you clearly ascribe negative
>	connotations to being materialistic ["What kind of people are we?"]
>	Take a consistent stand.

   When I wrote "What ... we?" is it not my opinion?  Just as Mr. Vijay
   commented his opinion on what I wrote.  It is unfortunate (maybe
   natural) that a critic is made without full understanding.
   (Would Mr. Vijay please read my first para in its entirety.)

>>  of brotherhood.  The next person is always a hindrance.
>>  It is I, me and me again.  There is no such thing as
>>  _for_my_country_, _for_my_society, _for_my_fellow_people_,
>
>	And again, the very "me" which you are arguing against, has cropped
>	up in "my country", "my society", "My fellow people". Why? If 
>	"my country", why not "my fellow beings"?  You're just taking the
>	partisanship one step further. And why shd you think others must
>	accept *your* standards?
>	This precise "*my* society/culture/religion/... has made India go up
>	in flames.

   Unless a person is prejudiced, I think, one would be
   able to realize that the meaning of word me in "It is I, me 
   and me again" is different from what me stands for in
   "_for_my_country_ ...".  Maybe I made a mistake when I took
   it for granted that the netnews readers are in a class above
   from those back in our country.  My country is made up of
   my society where the next person is one of my people. If one
   would read my article and Mr. Vijay's reply, it should be
   obvious that the words culture, religion were used by
   Mr. Vijay himself.

   The major issue I was trying to bring forth is that the
   fault does not lie in organizations like BJP, RSS,
   Muslim League, Congress or others such per se.  The fault lies
   in people like us who care about our own personal comforts.
   The solution lies in educating our people.  I repeat my
   original question: How many of us are willing to go
   back to India and do something for our people?  How many
   of us would like to go to the far corners of our country
   and work with the rural people?  As one can see it is
   not as simple as putting a message in netnews.

_Chandra.
-- 
      -----------------------------------------------------------
      |	Chandra S. Danam     |   If life is a bowl of cherries, |
      | danam@cs.psu.edu     |   what am I doing in the pits!   |
      -----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prasad@brahms.udel.edu (Ajay K. Prasad)
Subject: Green Card Question
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:53:50 GMT


I am writing this on behalf of a friend. 

He is currently at the final stage of his P.R. process, and his green
card interview is scheduled for March 22nd. Unfortunately, his company
is laying people off and it is almost certain that his job will
disappear. Consequently, he will be unable to furnish the requisite
letter during the interview stating that his job is permanent.

He has been looking around for jobs, and is reasonably confident of
finding one. His problem, however, is that he presently is
out-of-status (since he has already filed for change of status).
So even if he gets a new job, how can get back in status?

He is trying to see if he can withdraw his application for the
interview and reclaim his H-1 visa. Is this the correct decision?

Since he is so close to completing the P.R. process, he would like
to evaluate ways to retain his priority date, and not restart the
process from scratch.

I am sure there are others who have been faced with similar
situations, and I would appreciate your input. Thanks,

Ajay Prasad
---- ------

prasad@me.udel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish)
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim Clashes in Bombay/Delhi - 4 Dead
Keywords: Hindu Muslim Clashes
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:20:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.141754.526@ulysses.att.com> bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>[........]
>	   Many Hindus in Bombay resent the fact that the city allows its
>minority Muslim population to pray outside mosques on Fridays, and
>they are responding by praying in the streets themselves.
>[........]

    In Pune, the district administration decided last week not to allow
    Muslim prayers/Maha-Aaratis on roads/in public places. Similarly,
    in Nanded district of Maharashtra, the local authorities have asked
    the mullahs not to shout from the mosques.

    Why such measures are not being taken in Mumbai?

    -- Girish.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish)
Subject: Re: Some of Rajeev Gowda's actual views on Ayodhya ...
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:38:50 GMT
Expires: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 04:00:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.172330.17249@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <C15w7t.8AJ@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, gowda@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (M.V.Rajeev Gowda) writes:
>
>[...... stuff deleted ......]
>> If my understanding of the history of this conflict is right, then:
>> 
>> The Babri Masjid was being used until the late 40's/early 50's
>> when idols of Rama "miraculously" appeared in the mosque.  A
>
>Let's not forget that the place has been under dispute even before that.
>Accounts published on this net indicate that even during British Raj,
>there were conflicts on this in Ayodhya. During Mogul period also, there
>were flaring up of conflicts on this, however they were brutally suppressed
>during the Moghul period for obvious reasons. During British period,
>Britishers articulately managed the conflict to keep both Hindus and Muslims
>under control.
>[.........]


    Yes, Hindus have been fighting for the Ram Janma Bhoomi since
    Mir Baqi demolished a temple and constructed a mosque-like
    structure on top of it in 1528.

    In 1855, Hindu-Muslim clashes erupted over shrine. But the
    dispute was resolved temporarily by erecting a wall around 
    the disputed structure. In the rebellion of 1857, the near-
    defunct Muslim dynasties tried to curry favor with the Hindus
    in order to launch joint effort to re-estiblish their rule.
    The Nawab promised to give the Hindus the Ram Janma Bhoomi
    site back, in an effort to quench their anti-Muslim animosity
    and redirect their attention towards the new common enemy
    from Britain. This is the only instance in modern history
    when Muslims offered concessions to Hindus. But this promise
    never materialized.

    In May 1883, Hindus asked for a permission to build a temple
    at the Ram Janma Bhoomi site. Following objections from some
    Muslim leaders, Deputy Commissioner of Saket (Faizabad) refused
    the Hindu plea.

    In January 1885, the mahant of Ram Janmasthan requested permission
    to construct a temple by moving a petition in the court of a
    subjudge at Saket. The request was turned down and the appeal 
    was dismissed. Probably, the court decisions at that time were
    manipulated too! :-)


    -- Girish.
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A N-Y Times article
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:14:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan25.004221.364@newshost.lanl.gov> lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri  505-667-6825) writes:

>Ah, the super race at last. Reading Nietzche lately?

Plenty...probably more than I should have :)

And to quote Nietzche in a somewhat crude and albeit altered form:

" Nietzche said God was Indian, God said Neitzche was Indian and the Indian
  said Nietzche was God".

No pretentions for a super race, not yet anyway.

Samit
-- 
Samit Banerjee,			    |  
University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |
From: MITRA@PURCCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: I-TAX on RA/TA SALARY
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:42:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: PURCCVM.93026.174239MITRA
Organization: Purdue University

This item was posted a few weeks back. I am reposting it because
I have recd. a variety of responses in return to the queries listed
herein which only confirm the fact that the issue of I-Tax on
RA/TA salary is not clear. Hope this reposting will generate some
some additional responses. Please reply to mitra@vm.cc.purdue.edu
Goes without saying that any definite information on the issue will
be posted as and when available.

1. If you are employed as a RA or TA in any U.S univ, have you in the
   past year or so been exempt from paying Income Tax on your
   RA/TA salary ?

              OR

2. Has your univ. refunded any tax deductions it has made in the past
   in response to the Tax Treaty between India and the U.S signed
   sometime back ?

  ( I believe some univs have refunded the amount they had deducted
    earlier and now no longer deduct any tax )

  Any information on the above two cases will be immensely helpful
  to those of us who are paying taxes. I would also request you
  to be as detailed as possible.
From: ssbethal@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Univ. of Utah
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:07:22 GMT
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

HI,

I need some help regarding University of Utah. If you could email me (i.e., if
you are a current student) or tell me an email address contact i'll be
grateful.

Thanks a lot,

S
From: smasrani@pyramid.COM (Sandeep Masrani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: German Mark->Indian Rupees conversion.
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:53:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

Hello Netters:

Can someone please email me the following currency conversion rates (official).

German Mark->Indian Rupees.
Pound->Indian Rupees.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

-- 
--Sandeep

On-line, adj.:
    The idea that a human being should always be accessible to a computer.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+                                                               +
+           -m----------         Sandeep Masrani                +
+        ----mmm--------         Pyramid Technology Corporation	+
+     -------mmmmmm-----         3860 North First Street        +
+  ----------mmmmmmmmm--         San Jose, CA 95134             +
+                                      USA                      +
+                                                               +
+          INTERNET:	smasrani@pyramid.com                    +
+          UUCP:	pyramid!pyrps5!smasrani                 +
+          PHONE: 	O- (408) 428-7347                       +
+                                                               +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vikas@cs.UAlberta.CA (Nehru Vikas)
Subject: Request Lyrics for Pal pal dil ke pas
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:52:01 GMT

Hi There,

   Could someone tell me which movie the song
   "pal pal dil ke paas tum rahti ho..." is from.

   Also lyrics of the song will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
   Vikas
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Muzaffar Ali or Muzaffar Ahmed? 
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:16:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.181855.46576@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>  for Urban Development - transferring it to Alimuddin Street - Muzaffar
>  Ali Bhavan

Where is the Muzaffar Ali Bhavan that you are referrring to ? Muzaffar
Ahmed was one of the founders of the undivided communist party of India.
Do you mean Muzaffar Ahmed Bhavan instead of Muzaffar Ali Bhavan ?

-Sayan.
From: sumonbha@almaak.usc.edu (Sumon Bhaumik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Presidency College
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:46:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu


Hello Presidencians,

I guess you know that this is the 175th year of existence of our alma mater.
There is going to be a celebration sometime later this year, and the President
will visit Presi and release a stamp on that day. Any suggestions as to what
we can do to celebrate here? At least we can get together locally and find
out more about the different generations of Presi. 

There seems to be misconception that Jyoti Basu is a Presidencian. Actually he
is from St. Xavier's. I am a student of Economics and the I know about the
following economists from Presi.

Amartya Sen, Late Sukhomoy Chacroborty, Ashim Dasgupta (WB finance minister), 
Bhabotosh Dutta, Amlan Dutta, Ashoke Mitra, Pranab Bardhan, Mihir Rakshit,
Amiya Bagchi 

There are a few hundred others in the IAS and the WBCS, as well as in the 
Indian and US universities.
From: fafat@sal-sun62.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Allegations against FFT and Vijay's posting on Weinberg 8-)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:54:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun62.usc.edu

Deb "MOOstuffa killer" Chatterjee :) writes:

>   An excellent article from Vijay in the recent times. However FFT (the Hyde
>   side of Vijay D.Fafat) maybe should stop peeping thru the "keyhole" where
>   Ms.Schacko rules. " All lust abandon ye who peep thru' here 8-) " - Dante.
>
>   8-)
>


	Whaaat? After I've been made the MD of SAMOSA by the boss,
	that doggerel mongering facetious poetaster, Dighe Himself? Never. I
	continue peeping :) but hey, what lust? The sawnet postings would
	rather make a good substitute for pills [the sleeping variety ;-)]
	Due apologies and standard disclaimers, of course, to the Matron
	and Vice-matron :)

	FFT
From: ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:36:52 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan) writes

Can you please quote relevant passages from Pramath's post to
rpove that he equated RSS/VHP with Nazi? If not please admit that
you made a mistake or that you deliberatley tried to mislead the
readers of this newsgroup.

----------------------

Here are some of the other paragraphs from the India Alert mailing
list (Pramath's own words)

There is a war on for the minds of people, and whatever
front we can fight it on, we should.  First, Sitaram
Yechuri, in a soul stirring article in the Hindu, talked
about pseudo-Hinduism, quoted Golwalkar left right and centre,
and had the RSS types running for a while. I will post the
areticle soon. The RSS denied the existence  of the book (We ...),
and finally a letter to the editor from one Dr.seetharamiah of
Narsapur, accused Yechuri of playing fast and loose with his
facts, and quoted what he claimed was the correct quote- a very
sanitized version of the stuff N.Balaji gave us. This had us
all in a quandry, but I was confident that Yechuri was right,
and that there probably two editions of the book. I guess
Yechuri also figured that out, and came out with a spirited
defence of his article, and said that his quotes were absolutely
correct. His defense appeared in today's Hindu. So that is a
small victory.

--------------------------

As you may know (if you don't Pramath can forward a copy) of the
quotes and the book he is talking about - has been used by
the communists to equate RSS's second Sarsanghchalak Guruji Golwalkar
as a Nazi sympathizer.  Over two years ago, I posted articles 
by Golwalkarji which clearly criticized Hitler and Nazi Germany
on several grounds and said that it is one of the dangers all
socities must guard against.  
As it is clear from Pramath's mail, it is a common communist
tactic to equate RSS with Nazis and then cry McCartyism when exposed.

In the culture, where being a victim gets you a lot more political 
milage than otherwise, the communists have figured out rather
well how play their vicious game.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:50:06 EST
From: <SG2067A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: pittsburgh software institute

If anyone has the address or phone number of the pittsburgh software institute
I would appreciate it if you could e-mail it to me.
Any information on how to obtain this information would also be appreciated.
E-Mail address : SG2067A@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

SHAILESH
From: f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Reminders of Internal Turmoil on Republic Day
Keywords: Republic Day
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: jupiter.1993Jan26.225904.6405
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <1993Jan26.174613.22452@ulysses.att.com> bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:

> News report deleted...

>	   Muslims flew black flags atop the capital's largest mosque to
>protest attacks by militant Hindus, and some Muslims boycotted the
>festivities. In Kashmir, Muslim separatists battled Indian security
>forces, and one paramilitary policeman and two militants were
>killed, police said.

I fail to comprehend the connection between the demolition of the mosque 
(if thats what it was) and the banning of the Republic Day celebrations.
Though such bans are not new to the Indian public, it has shown from time
to time the respect the Muslims have for the Indian Constitution. It were
'okay' if only a bunch of muslims waved black flags from a apartment
building or some such place. But waving their anger from the top of a 
mosque indicates much more than the show of their resentment....Probably, the
Imam Bukahri of the Jama Masjid was totally unaware of such shameful,
anti-national acts being carried-out on the top of his head !

The use of mosques (a religious place) to store and distribute weapons of
all sorts has been a favorite past-time of our Islamic brethern over years.
I happen to possess a photograph from a news-report of a muslim shooting
towards the public (presumably) from the top of a mosque in Bombay ! Police
have periodically confiscated weapons hidden in the mosques....It is high
time that the muslims stop using their own holy religious places of worship
to for any such activities...If they don't, the Government might have to
interfere and untoward circumstances may develop...

Incidently, the largest mosque (Jama Masjid) at Delhi is yet another example
of captured temples by mughal barbarians. It was (is?) is temple of one
"Jamai Devi" (Jama derived from Jamai?). On three platforms inside the 
temple were seated Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh. These three platforms are
exactly below three adjacent arches over which (?) lotus symbols were (are?)
carved....If there were any copyright laws, the mughals could have been
sued by the Government :-)

Prasad.
From: ighosh@frx715.intel.com (Indraneel Ghosh - EPG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: H-1 visa at Juarez (?)
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:05:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


 Hi folks,

 I am posting this for a friend who does not have net access.

 He is planning to go to Ciudad-Juarez (near El Paso, Tx) to get his
 H-1 visa. He is worried that he will not be allowed to enter Mexico
 if he does not get a visitor's visa from the Mexican consulate. That
 would be very inconvenient for him because the nearest Mexican consulate
 is quite far away from his place.

 I got my visa from Juarez in early November 1992 and was allowed to go
 inside Mexico without a visitor's visa. Has the situation changed since
 then ? Have they started asking for a visitors's visa to go to Juarez ?
 Any other info about recent changes in rules etc. at the Juarez consulate
 would be welcome.

 I would appreciate some input from people who made the trip recently
 (in the last 1 month or so). 

 Thanks a lot,

 Indraneel.