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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: RE: Help me create a FAQ file
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:04:05 GMT
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, watson@HG.ULETH.CA (weasels ripped my dress) says:

>Mike Karolchik said

>>   I'm thinking of putting together an ALLMUSIC Frequently Asked
>>Questions file (not to be confused with Flatulent Unnecessary Queries
>>*FUQ* ;-)). Once I have the file I'll post it every-so-often for the
>>benefit of new subscribers. This should also benefit old subscribers
>>since you won't have to endure the same exchanges over and over.

>Aw... sure, Mikey... ruin all our fun. Newbies should walk on eggshells for a
>few weeks like the rest of us had to when we first started posting to this
>list.  :*)  And... what's n.n. gonna do when he can't do the "Slam the Newbie"
>routine??  ;)

  Now, pray tell... *who* have I slammed in the last year before they had
a chance to know what was going on?  That little feller who's got a willie
for Billy RAY?  Naw, I tried to help him out until he got impatient. I've
even nearly quit making fun of rap, country and heavy metal over the past
year (could that be a result of too much Beer?  heh heh). So, cut me some
minor slack, darlin'... ;)

  Besides, after 10 postings, anyone's fair game!  THAT should go in the
FAQ file. For some people, that'll only amount to 10 lines, but hey, who's
counting?  Oh, I guess I was.

  Seriously, I hope the FAQ file will explain the LISTSERV distribution
limits and why folks shouldn't waste bandwidth with "I like <band>, do you?"
one-liners. Pointers to other music discussion groups would also probably
save us some time... um, all the things that Carol brought up were things
that need explaining, too.

  A short section mentioning how ALLMUSIC isn't the place for sports
discussion, beer discussion (unless he's in "i" mode), babe-scoping
discussion, political debate or canine dentistry tips might also be
useful. Unless of course, it has something to do with sex.

  Could we possibly organize long enough to compile the top 20 "most
overworn re-tread topics guaranteed to bring a collective groan"? Now
THAT would be VERY valuable...

  Can you believe Drummer hasn't updated my entry in his "personalities"
file to mention you-know-whom?  ;)

  I know it's early, but... bah, humbug.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:12:10 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: John Cage died

>     On NPR Morning Edition today there was an announcement that John Cage
>died last night of a sudden stroke. He would have been 80 on Sept. 5. Do
>something indeterminable today in his memory -- I feel kinda sad today.

  How 'bout a few minutes of silence....


                            -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:06:12 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject: Re: THEORY
              19 Aug 1992 08:20:28 CDT from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:20:28 CDT crispen said:
>DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL (the good Rotcod) says:
>
>>that can "hear" behind the patterns?  I agree that someone with NO technical
>>background/knowledge is probably not gonna' make GREAT player (either in
>>randomland OR in the more formal environ), but some folks WITH tunza skill
>>(as expressed recently on this net) have NO idea how to improv...
>
>and <OLIVOTTO%ITNCISCA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> sez:
>
>>        What I'd like to add is that, IMHO, one has to rely more on the ear
>>than the actual technique or even the formal shape of the chord.
I hope i haven't misunderstood this i'm an improv player, period i know
a little theory and can read a little but i don't care to, however i
believe improv vs. theory...etc is a useless question they're both
important how can you deny knowledge of the music and how it's
constructed, but likewise how can you deny the feeling that an improv
player puts out, he shares a part of himself he reaches into himself
and shows what's inside IMHO, but the same can be said for the other
side, but i see it more in improv type players just my thoughts
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:25:00 CDT
From:         S_YECK@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Tangerine Dream

Thanks for the information about the band actually being German.  Here I am--a
fan--and I don't even know the little things.  My boyfriend, Riley, is more of
a fan than I and he seems to know EVERYTHING about Tangerine Dream.  He has the
CD of "Dream Sequence", so maybe I just ought to look at it.  He has over 30
albums by TD--I guess that's why we opened CD's Plus--to get people into TD.

Well, I certianly have a lot to learn yet, don't I?!  Riley tends to answer
questions about the band easier than I am able to.  Of course, it is never too
late to learn, is it?

Anybody have a favorite song or tune by Tangerine Dream?  The greatest and my
favorite of ALL TIME-out of everything I have heard so far--is the song
"SUNGATE" off of the album "Optical Race" (many people say that is the only
good song on this album-I love it all).  The piano and electric parts just fit
so well - it's just beautiful.  I'm sure it can be used for dancing,
meditating, romance, and many other occasions.  Pretty neat, eh?

All for now-check ya later,

 _
Meshel
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:39:31 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: Here comes the political stuff again...
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Gary:

Tell me more. NOT!

In other words.  Keep your comments to youself or talk all about it if you
want to on FREETALK.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:15:00 LCL
From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thoughts on Prince
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Gary -

What's wrong with  pants with no ass cheeks? People don't mind when I
wear them to the office <g>.

And I though OMC stood for "Oy! My Chin!"

-=Kevin=-
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:26:04 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the edge of mistakes
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              Gelinas" at Aug 19, 92 1:57 pm

>
>   Yes, playing on the edge of your ability, very near to making mistakes,
> that's where the thrill of improv lives.   It's the recovery from those
> little errors that pulls the genius out of you, forces you to dig deep,
> 'cuz it's happening NOW, and you've only got a split second to DO IT.
> That's what I listen for in musicians, and that's where I like to play.
>
>    It may be an emotion similar to watching car races, or downhill skiing,
> just watching these people perform right on the edge, where one slip up
> means failure.  It's exciting.
>

Russ, I like this a lot (said L'il Miss Misteak Queen).

A good thing to remember
about this approach to this kind of music (blues/jazz) is that it originated
in Black culture where living "on the edge" was a matter of raw necessity, not
choice; it is a form of art that emerged "in extremis."  Since "that backward
guy" our beloved rotcod said in an earlier post he's interested in the art/life
connections, I hope no one minds if I pursue it, because perhaps there are some
purists out there who get tired of such reflections (delete post now).  And as
a white person I am certainly no spokesperson about black life in any sense,
but just that it's worth remembering that the amazing energy and impetus that
found expression in field hollers, gospel, blues, jazz...and that gave such a
shot of life to American music in this century, all came from inspiration "out
of the depths."  In other words, this music is so powerful in all its forms,
and in its apparent ability to keep inspiring new forms and new musicians (of
all colors), because it was "play" in the most serious sense of "stayin alive"
(the beegees were riding the wave of a deep thing there... barely skimming the
surface I mean to say)... Maybe jazz and blues teach you how to "play" (in all
the senses of this word) when that is ALL that is keeping you alive.  So there
is a lot to learn from this music is all I'm saying, and the only way to learn
it is, as Russ said, to stay "on the edge."
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:28:06 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: WHERE y'ALL AT

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:40:05 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>I'm not real sure how to bunch up replies would like some help in that
>area and alos how to include parts of post that i won't to reply to
>and etc....., however if i understand flameing it's just some fool
>talking all big & bad and trying to insult me but i have new for you
>I'm 32 yrs old i've been flamed quite a few times in my life and there's
>not a thing anyone of the "superior-than-thou" netters can do to hurt
>my feelings or get my dander up because i'll be right back in your face
>but i enjoy the group and won't to obey the rules (i'm a republican)
                           ////**************************************

Leonard -- I respect your post and everything, but you inadvertently made a
typo in the very place which changes its meaning all around.
It's a scream. You probably didn't intend it to read it the way it does --
any undecided voter, after reading your post, is now guaranteed not to vote
Republican.
Don't worry, the rest of the message is well-put and admirable.

>so if you want to practice flaming you've got my address ,,,,humor me
>Ists024@uabdpo

I guess you'll be getting a lot of messages from the Republican National
Committee for what they'd consider as your slander, however accidental.

Rick
From: SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU (Scott Hammer)
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Subject: Billy Ray, Bonnie, and Dear Old Dad
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:50:27 GMT
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If memory serves (and it often doesn't), this whole Billy Ray vs. Bonnie
discussion got started as an outgrowth of the Duets with Dead Dads thread,
which brings to mind the following question:

Did any of y'all see the "Evening at Pops" show on PBS with Bonnie Raitt
and her (live) dad, John Raitt?  They dueted on one of John's Broadway
numbers (can't remember which one), and on Bonnie's "I'm Blowing Away."

Pretty neat stuff.  It was interesting to see that Dad, even at his advanced
age (he must be close to 80) was able to sing without a mic, while Bonnie used
one.

-Scott "Love You Like A Man" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:43:12 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sinead
              20 Aug 1992 19:45:38 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

>In article <ALLMUSIC%92082015121239@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Leonard Watkins"
><ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET> writes:
>>Just curious what are your thoughts on her STAR SPANGLED BANNER ordeal
>>at wherever she was performing. Would you have met her demands ?

Reminds me of a true story. Don't worry, it's relevant.
   One day in the summer  of '90 I get a phone call at work. It's a typically
phony-voiced FM DJ from a Buffalo commercial rock station. He's calling the
music library to get the words to the Star-Spangled Banner.

   My response was fairly typical for this type of call. "Uhhhh... am I on the
air? Is this a radio prank?"
   He assured me that this was serious, and not being aired or taped.
   "Do you need all of the verses of the anthem?"
   "No, just the first. You know, the one everyone sings at ballgames."
   OK. So I ran to fetch the lyrics (to be accurate in punctuation, of course,
and to ascertain whether it was "Oh, say can you see" or "O say can you see..."
 It's the second version.)
   So I read each line slowly off to him, had to spell the hard words like
 "gleaming" and "ramparts" (no kidding!) and we eventually made it to "brave"
 and my good deed was done.
   He says, "Hey, this is fantastic, thanks a lot. Do you want a compact disk
 or something?"
   "Uhh, I don't have a CD player. But you can donate one to our library."
   I gave him the library's address, and he thanked me again and that was it.

   I spent the rest of the day wondering what that was all about. Driving home
I turned on the radio to that rock station (for the first time for any time
longer than 30-second stretches) and after the usual 2 or three pieces of
musical twaddle, then a couple of beer and Oxy-10 commercials, the announcer
says self-righteously that the station will never play any more Sinead O'Connor
tunes because she's a talentless hairless Irish harpy who doesn't think that
the US of A isn't the greatest country in the whole goddamned world, and to get
back at her, we'll be passing out the words to the Star-Spangled Banner at her
concert tonight (at a local amusement park) and all you true-blue Americans
will be shrieking out these words at the top of your patriotic lungs, and
that'll teach her, and all other traitors to their country too, if she were
an American, that is.
      "Oh my God" I said. "Does that make me an accessory to useless jingoism?"

       Epilogue: The CD never arrived. The station now has a new format, and I
hear it only when I'm at the laundromat washing my clothes.

Regretfully reminiscin',
Rick
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:51:00 GMT
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CD Splurgefest IX-XII (I'm gettin' lazy 8))

>Marillion: Holidays in Eden
>       My first thought on hearing Steve Hogarth's voice was that he sounds
>like a cross between Cy Curnin (The Fixx), Chris Isaak, and ALLMUSIC's own
>Marco. On the most part it seems that Marillion has survived the departure
 ^^^^^

        Hey, I didn't knew I would be in this posting... :)
        Hogarth, you say? Well, I didn't like much "Holidays in Eden", but
he did a fine work on "Season's End". Fish was another thing, of course, mos-
tly because his lyrics had something different.
        But, Adam, is your comparison a compliment or an offense...? :) :) :)
(and if it still ain't clear - JOKE!).

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:35:30 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cage is dead
              13 Aug 1992 13:15:38 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

I hadn't heard he had died. . .he was definitely an innovator.  I had the
opportunity to hear him speak during his last concert in Detroit (about
1987 I think).  A very soft-spoken man, but quite amazing to hear his
explanations of his unorthodox approach to music.

Michelle
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:51:46 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Red House

Kevin, is this Red House single the one fron Smash Hits which was originally
released as a single ( I think) ? Also, is the soundtrack from the biography
movie "A Film About Jimi Hendrix" still available - possibly on CD? That was
the 1st place where his 12 string acoustic 'Hear My Train' was heard, with
Jimi sitting on a stool in an all white room.

"Bet you didn't think I could do that, did ya?" he says after the tune.


                                                            ... walt ...
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:45:59 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)

Bass banter from David:
>
>To me, electric bass playing- the only kind I'm really qualified to
>comment on- begins (and damn near ends) with THE MAN, the late James
>Jamerson. Even today, his phrasing, his humor, his unparalleled sense of
>anticipation, all of it stands unexcelled. After god knows how many
>listens, I still get inspiration from him.

And now I step out on another limb: Great description of the late James
Jamerson. Just one question: Who's he?
>
(At this point, the ENTIRE cast of ALLMUSIC forms a large circle around Rick
with stones in their hands, exploding with unrestrained hilarity and singing
"Stupid Rick, Stupid Rick/Everyone dance and sing/He doesn't know James
Jamerson/Give your rocks a FLING!!" and, letting the differently-sized
stones hurl down upon him, carry on their wild laughter and merrymaking
long through the night, the following 2 days, and well into Monday morning.)

See you on the musical stage once you memorize the script,
Rick
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:17:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: my aching disc

>From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
>              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

>Ok guys, maybe you can help me. I've got a rather rare CD I just picked up
>which has some pretty nasty surface scratches on it which caused clicking
>noises when played on my Panasonic CD player and which is totally rejected
>by my Sony. Does anybody know of any products to buff out these scratches?

My local used store uses Rally car wax.  I've had several discs treated
this way.  After one treatment, my player was unable to read the disc,
but a bit of buffing with my shirt-tail cleared that up.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: Steve Howe

>From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

>       TOMORROW <untitled>. This is one of Steve Howe's bands before joining
>Yes. I used to have this album on vinyl, and couldn't wait to get the CD
>copy of it. For one thing, it's a lot more informative. (the liner notes
>give the history of the band), and it includes a B-side that wasn't on the
>LP, however, one track is omitted in it's place. The track, "Excerpt From
>a Teenage Opera" wasn't really one of my favorites, so no big lost. The
>whole disk is very good, but my favorite track is probably "Revolution" (Not
>a Beatles cover), with "My White Bicycle" running a close second.

Just to clarify, "Excerpt From A Teenage Opera" was not on the original
version of the album.  It was a single by Keith West who was the vocalist
for Tomorrow and was a bonus cut on the American reissue of the album.
As it is technically not a Tomorrow song, it is understandable why it was
left off the CD.  On the other hand, there is certainly room for it on
the CD.

Other Tomorrow trivia: "My White Bicycle" was covered by Nazareth.  The
drummer for Tomorrow was Twink who went on to have an obscure solo album,
play funeral drum on Bob Calvert's _Captain Lockheed And the Starfighters_,
did three (I think) albums with the Pink Fairies, and was in Syd Barrett's
extrememly short-lived post-Pink Floyd band.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:29:02 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Friday thoughts

Hoo boy, Leonard, can your mouth (keyboard?) run!!!

I think I'll just tackle the Prince question:  IMHO, I feel Prince is a superb
musician--HOWEVER--I think he is too into his own thing and can't always get
across to the public what he's trying to do.  He has finally allowed some other
talent to take front stage with him (witness the recent inclusion of Rosie
Gaines, who has an extremely strong voice).  I think NOW he needs to let
someone else take over the production of his albums.  I'd like to see someone
like Teddy Riley help him out;  Teddy seems to know exactly what to do
production-wise--none of his projects have flopped (latest production work on
Michael Jackson's album).  Prince's "Diamonds and Pearls" has a few good tunes,
but Prince tried to do a little Hip-Hop kind of thang and failed miserably.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:05:51 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: thunk, ignoring bounces
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Follow-up to my previous post.

I think Sonya's Thunk is better than my Chunk.

Extra credit question:

	(d or maybe e) What bin does Pantera belong in?

I'm assuming that I ought to be ignoring the following, which I've been
getting all day:

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