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From: s1070902@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (TALIESIN (R.Walker))
Subject: Re: Kamahl?!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:40:43 GMT

In <Bx6E6B.GMK@ecf.toronto.edu> funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai) writes:

>In article <9211032019.AA03013@mermaid.cis.ohio-state.edu> penn@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Nelson Penn) writes:
>>You are right, Kamahl definately doesn`t do that type of stuff
>>because it`s not his style...but here is a question for you...
>>
>>Who the Hell is he!?
>>

>Isn't Kamahl that guy who did the theme song for the film "The Never
>Ending Story" back in 1985? That's about all I can remember coming
>from him.

Never heard of Kamahl???  What kind of uncultured persons are you!!?!?!?!?!
I mean, I'm not slagging Madonna here (for once) but you've *never* heard of
Kamahl?????
I'm truely shocked.  Perhaps he isn't all that big in the northern hemisphere?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: doom@elaine6.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Re: new album
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
	<1992Oct29.162445.10694@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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	<1992Nov4.234139.19534@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:36:49


> Madonna re-invents herself again, this time with S&M imagery.
> Last time it was with gay imagery. Each time she has to push out
> the envelope. What's it going to be next time? Pedophilia
> imagery? 

I thought this was funny in view of the Vanity Fair spread
where Madonna goes for the Little Girl look.  It comes off a
lot like something out of an early 60's Playboy. 

Anyway, probably the thing I like the most about Madonna is
that she makes a great litmus test.  The people who take the
trouble to complin aout her are usually just revealing
psychological hangups of their own.

For someone who can't sing very well, doesn't write very
good songs, and isn't all that pretty, I think Madonna does
a great job of doing exactly what it is that she does.  

And as for what that is, I don't think it's that easy to pin
down, though if you want to call it High-tech Whore, I
wouldn't argue with you. 

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 11:03:00 EST
From: <IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
 <25948@optima.cs.arizona.edu>

     And I suppose you are now the judge of proper moral values?
pcn
From: taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: Fans,Romans, and mediocre persona
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 02:32:11 -0500
Reply-To: taz%momad@infoserv.com
Organization: MoDeM MaDnEsS BBS   1-516/295-9435

In <92310.044153IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>   Another blow has been rendered against the open minded person. Just because
>we happen to like a Madonna we are being belittled and stupidified. You can
>insult our point of view, but don't insult our inteligence.You have the right
>to dissagree and disagree to our face, but all I ask is that you do it politly
>and inteligently.
>     Does anyone agree or should I blow it out my ear.  It could just be me,
>but I think insulting peoples intellegence when you don't agree with them is
>- as Captain Hook would say- not good form.
>PCN

I agree with you 150%

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From: ssalimb01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:44:38 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <1992Nov4.005128.27515@rdg.dec.com>, jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria) writes:
> 
>>
>>    I think this sums up what many people have been saying. This demented
>>    person has blatently pointed out that madonna is promoting lesbianisim,
>>    and sex with small furry animals. I can't believe that there has been a
>>    news group called alt.fan.madonna, it should be alt.hate.madonna, so the
>>    news group was orientated more towards the general feeling of the normal
>>    hetrosexual people in this world.
> 
> What's wrong w/ lesbianism???  Some of my BEST friends are lesbians.  They
> tend to be more caring, more open, more accepting and just down-right
> friendlier than other people with whom I have the pleasure to be acquainted.

Since I have been giving my fellow human beings a hard time for the past 19
years, I think I might as well post this follow-up.

There is nothing wrong with lesbianism (though some fraction of the community
may want to argue that statement).  It is different, and unnatural, but not
necessarily wrong.  It is sort of scientists have to face the fact  that the
N point of the magnet attracts the other N point of a different magnet.  

One point I'd like to clear out (though it may be my position to do so), 
your best friends are more caring, etc  because they ARE individuals who are
more caring, etc.  Not because they are lesbians.  They are nice people who
happen to be ... lesbians.

Now that I have got this out my chest, I think I should prepare for some hate
mails.  I love it when people hate my guts.   (One point though, how did I 
end up in this newsgroup???)  

> 
> Please enlighten me by defining Normal.
> 
>>        I hate Madonna, she is uglier than a rotting corpse, and has less sex
>>        appeal than ross perot.
> 
> Heh heh!  Personally, I don't think she's THAT bad... but the part about
> Ross is pretty hilarious!
> 
> And lastly... am I being "hosed" again like I was with Charlie Reece's note??
> Are you being sarcastic?
> 
> Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<TORKEL.92Nov9230327@bast.sics.se> <1992Nov10.131756.21811@emr1.emr.ca>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.131756.21811@emr1.emr.ca> thiessen@emr1.emr.ca
 (Tracy Thiessen) writes:

   >Oh c'mon, talk about generalizations!  Anyone who has been following
   >this list should by now recognize there are several heated debates
   >going on...it's quite a stretch to denounce McDonna's critics as
   >"pathological women haters" 

  No generalization was intended. I did say "many of these Madonna
bashers", having in mind not just people posting here, but lots of stuff
in the same vein that has appeared in rec.music.misc. And I don't
hesitate to call it a pathological vein.

   >Furthermore, I shudder at the idea of Madonna being considered as
   >being some sort of champion of women who "put themselves forward". This
   >is the same chick who labelled herself "boy toy" not so long ago. 

  Champion? Not at all. Put herself forward she certainly does, although
not in terms that necessarily appeal to feminists.








Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:24:26 GMT


>
>     And I suppose you are now the judge of proper moral values?
>pcn

You're context is lost... who are you replying to??

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: mdward01@nx22.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward)
Subject: Re: gifs
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx22.mik.uky.edu!mdward01
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:27:39 GMT

In <92315.121034IO71245@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Matt <IO71245@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Can someone send me the maddona gifs that were recently posted
>they disappeared right before I had a chance to grab them..:(

I'd appreciate it if someone could send them here also..thanks!


Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Steven Meisel
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:30:54 GMT

Steven Meisel has been around for quite sometime.  For those familiar with
Madonna iconography, which I assume most of you are, he photographed
Madonna during her Like A virgin days, and yes, he did the LAV cover.

More recently, Meisel was the photographer for the Rolling Stone layout
which depicted Madonna in a 30-ish bordello with male TVs, and also shot
her for the Vanity Fair layout which had her coiffed as a coquettish,
Gidget-like character.

It's my observation that most of Madonna's sessions with Meisel seem to
have a theme (ie with props, costumes, etc), as opposed to her sessions
with Herb Ritts, which were very much simply glamour shoots.

And yes, I agree with the art critique of SEX. Much much too busy. And it
lacked coherence. Felt very disjointed to me. I think she could have done
better.
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"Power is an aphrodisiac, and I'm a very powerful person"             -Madonna
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Re: new album
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Oct29.162445.10694@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Oct29.171239.375@dsd.es.com>
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	<1992Nov4.234139.19534@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
	<DOOM.92Nov12023649@elaine6.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:38:42 GMT

In article <DOOM.92Nov12023649@elaine6.Stanford.EDU> doom@elaine6.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
>  > Madonna re-invents herself again, this time with S&M imagery.
>  > Last time it was with gay imagery. Each time she has to push out
>  > the envelope. What's it going to be next time? Pedophilia
>  > imagery? 
>
>  I thought this was funny in view of the Vanity Fair spread
>  where Madonna goes for the Little Girl look.  It comes off a
>  lot like something out of an early 60's Playboy. 
>
>  Anyway, probably the thing I like the most about Madonna is
>  that she makes a great litmus test.  The people who take the
>  trouble to complin aout her are usually just revealing
>  psychological hangups of their own.

I was skeptical of that a while ago, but after reading the flamage
in this group, I'd have to agreee.

>  For someone who can't sing very well, doesn't write very
>  good songs, and isn't all that pretty, I think Madonna does
>  a great job of doing exactly what it is that she does.  

I have to disagree here.  I think her music is her strength, especially
her dance music, where her artistic base is.  And she *is* attractive,
IMNSHO.  Her image was just a bonus as I see it.
Apparently, this is one thing that fans and non-fans will never agree on.
:-)

>  And as for what that is, I don't think it's that easy to pin
>  down, though if you want to call it High-tech Whore, I
>  wouldn't argue with you. 

I would.  Although her marketing genius has much to do with the success
of her image, using the term "whore" is wholly unfair.

Thomas Wu
Internet:  tjwu@athena.mit.edu
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: GETTING HER BOOK CHEAP $$$
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:09:51 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <1992Nov13.004013.132@dragon.acadiau.ca> 901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte) writes:
:funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai) writes:
:>shared among a lot of people, why didn't you just borrow it from
:>the public library for free?
:
:No libraries in Nova Scotia have the book as far as I know.
:
:It's really banned and taboo here.  Not many people have it or have
:seen it.  Everybody knows about it, though.

Libraries on this side of Canada seem to be putting one or two copies
in their reference section. 
:
:Wish it was at the libray! ......
:
: - Kevin
:
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:17:28 GMT

>kristinw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>>In article <-hg10jf@rpi.edu>, lohrbt@rs6215.ecs.rpi.edu (Trevor Wolfgang Lohrbeer) writes:
>>> I bought the book.  Forty dollars actually. I read the book. It was tame, but 
>>> in today's social environment, inevitably needed.
>>> 
>>> The book is not pornographic.  Some of it is art, some of it is erotica. Either
>>> way, none of it is dirty.  It's a new concept, particuliarly to the Western 
>>> world. In my view, it was an amusing erotica album; the type one puts out on 
>>> a coffee table for people to flip through when visiting.
>>> 
>>> The photographs are about as risque as Playboy, some edging toward Penthouse.
>>> There was really nothing these magazines haven't been doing for years.  But it
>>> brought it out as a new concept.  The whole concept of nude photographs being
>>> erotica rather than porn.
[stuff deleted]

>>> Oh yeah.  And somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Madonna's original
>>> profession (the one she was trained for and originally claimed to be) as a 
>>> dancer. Everyone's saying that she can't sing, she can't act, etc., but no one
>>> has said anything about her dancing ability. Remember her roots. She's a dancer
>>> who's hobbies happen to be music, acting, etc.
>>> 
>>>                                               - trevor lohrbeer
>>> 
>>>      No more peeping through keyholes! No more masturbating in the dark! No more
>>> public confessions! Unscrew the doors from their jambs! I want a world where 
>>> the vagina is represented by a crude, honest slit, a world that has feeling for
>>> bone and contour, for raw, primary colors, a world that has fear and respect 
>>> for its animal origins. I'm sick of looking at cunts all tickled up, disguised,
>>> deformed, idealized. Cunts with nerve ends exposed. I don't want to watch young
>>> virgins masturbating in the privacy of their boudoirs or biting their nails or
>>> tearing their hair or lying on a bed full of bread crumbs for a whole chapter.
>>> I want Madagascan funeral poles, with animal upon animel and at the top Adam and
>>> Eve, and Eve with a crude honest slit between the legs. I want hermaphrodites
>>> who are real hermaphrodites, and not make-believes walking around with an 
>>> atrophied penis or dried-up cunt. I want a classic purity, where dung is dung 
>>> and angels are angels.
>>>                                   - Henry Miller, Black Spring, 1963.
>>> 
>>I cannot believe that both of you are supporting Madonna's new book.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^$$$$$$$$$$$^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just a side point, but I've seen this quoted several times, and I just
wanted to ask: Who's BOTH of you? There is an article by Trevor, and
then a quote from famous and long-dead author Henry Miller, which I
presume to be his .sig. Where's the other guy who's supporting
Madonna's book?

-- 
Alex (funga@ecf.toronto.edu)

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Re: I still don't get it?#!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:32:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.203005.13990@Cadence.COM> lah@Cadence.COM (Lin A. Hendrix) writes:
>
>  Hey! You out there!  I still don't get it!  Why, if you are NOT 
>  a fan of Madonna do you insist on posting to this group?  
>
>  Start your own alt.i.hate.madonna group and post away.  Flame 
>  away, whack off and say you didn't, but kee-ripes stop doing 
>  it here!

Agreed.  Flames and name-calling belong elsewhere.

>  and BTW Who do I e-mail about starting guidelines for this group?

Unless someone else wants to volunteer, I'd be willing to maintain a
FAQ for the group.  If anyone has (reasonable) suggestions or comments,
e-mail or post and I'll incorporate it.

>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  "I know there's at least one sane person on this planet, and boy!
>  am I glad it's not me!"		--lin 
>  p.s. My opinions are not my own, they don't belong to Cadence either
>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thomas Wu
Internet:  tjwu@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (Lorenzo the Magnificent)
Subject: Re: Madonna's next sensation?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:06:17 GMT


My name is... (rwong@asic.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: What does she have in store for 1993.  I know about Body of Evidence. I heard
: somewhere she is shooting a movie early next year.  Any idea what it's about,
: who are her costars.  When is her next world tour?
: 
: Richard 

This is copied verbatim from the November 13 issue of _Entertainment_:

Bad boy director Abel Ferrara says Madonna will star in his _Snake Eyes_
flick, shooting in January. "It's about a director (played by Harvey Keitel)
with problems on and off the set, " says Ferrara. "He's making a picture kind
of like _Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?_, and living out its horror story
in real life." Madonna will play the Martha-like role.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Re: morons.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:42:24 GMT

In article <s1070619.721134479@giaeb> s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:
>
>      A question...
>	   Who out there really likes madonna for her *music* and *lyrics*?
>
>      Just Wondering...

I do.  I was a fan of hers long before seeing any of her videos or
other promotional material.  I was impressed with:

 - the danceability of her music.  Madonna is one of the best dance
   music artists I have heard (and I've heard quite a bit over the years,
   thank you).
 - the fact that her music is always a bit controversial, mysterious, or
   trend-setting.  She's always testing the limits.
 - her ability to remain insanely popular for such a long time.
   Stars can be either very popular or very long-lived, but few manage
   to do both so well.

There are many other things about her that I like, but these are the
primary reasons I'm a fan.

Thomas Wu
Internet:  tjwu@athena.mit.edu

P.S.  All flames will be happily ignored.  I've heard them all already,
      and they make as little sense now as they did ten years ago.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070902@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (TALIESIN (R.Walker))
Subject: Re: What's the relevance of ....?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:06:57 GMT


>>However, I really love the fact that Madonna gets pathetic slobs like
>>you upset, and in this sense I suppose I am a Madonna fan.

Do you honestly think I'm upset?
Well I'm sorry but you're sadly mistaken.  The only reason I'm here right now
arguing about this pathetic, insectiod Madonna, is because it's fun getting
people like YOU upset by showing everyone else how stupid the things you like
are.
(phew).
Personally I don't care whether Madonna is dead, alive, homo or secretly a man.
She serves merely as a vehicle for some amusement over the net.  Wouldn't you
agree, Mr. Yogi ????

                                        ,
                                    Taliesin.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT)
Subject: Re: What's the relevance of ....?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:08:46 GMT

s1070902@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (TALIESIN (R.Walker)) writes:


>>>However, I really love the fact that Madonna gets pathetic slobs like
>>>you upset, and in this sense I suppose I am a Madonna fan.

>Do you honestly think I'm upset?
>Well I'm sorry but you're sadly mistaken.  The only reason I'm here right now
>arguing about this pathetic, insectiod Madonna, is because it's fun getting
>people like YOU upset by showing everyone else how stupid the things you like
>are.
>(phew).
>Personally I don't care whether Madonna is dead, alive, homo or secretly a man.
>She serves merely as a vehicle for some amusement over the net.  Wouldn't you
>agree, Mr. Yogi ????

    Absloutely! Well, that's all she does for me anyway... Dunno about all the
    other madonna GEEKS though.....

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Keywords: Sex, Bondage, Necrophelia(sp?)...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:50:21 GMT

taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop) writes:

>In <1992Nov2.224317.4176@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> arneberg@lioth.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bjorn Arne Berge) writes:
>>In article <s1055814.720713608@giaeb>, s1055814@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Miller) writes:
>>|>
>>|>         I hate Madonna, she is uglier than a rotting corpse, and has less sex
>>|>         appeal than ross perot.

>>......so why bother posting to this group....? (Some people tend to do
>>_anything_ to spread their sh*t around...)

>>Grow up, and take Madonna for what she is: An artist that makes good music (my opinion)
>>but uses sex as an image to sell whatever she produces. Like it or not - Thank God most
>>of us live in a world where we can decide ourselves what to buy or not. If you don't
>>like Madonna - OK - just don't buy nothing by her. Simple as that....:)


>Yes, she uses sex as an image, but she also is doing something that hasn't been done since
>the days of Marilyn Monroe... She is using Sex as an Artform.  How many women can produce a
>book of sexual photos and have it sell over 1,000,000 copies worldwide in ONE WEEK?

>Of course, it will be interesting to see what she does when her sex appeaal fades awaay to
>old age.... Then she'll have to rely strictly on her voice.


And, I can tell you... It won't be pretty!!!
From: IO71245@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Matt)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: gifs
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:10:34 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Can someone send me the maddona gifs that were recently posted
they disappeared right before I had a chance to grab them..:(
              Thanks Matt
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai)
Subject: Re: NAME
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:27:33 GMT

In article <BxH1FM.4F7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kmurphy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kevin Murphy) writes:
>In article <1dlctaINNl4k@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> R.Tait@bnr.co.uk writes:
>>I thought it was Madonna Louise Ciccone.
>>
>
>Correction, it's Veronica Louise Ciccone.  If anyone knows where she
>got the name MADONNA, please post !!

Double correction, I believe it is in fact Madonna Veronica Louise Ciccone.

-- 
Alex (funga@ecf.toronto.edu)

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