HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Re: Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Summary: Neil on the Net 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:31:24 GMT

In article <717783956.F00011@therose.pdx.com> Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges) writes:
>___--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>>>
>>>>   I've found out what a "Didact" might be, a teacher, but what's a
>>>>"Narpet"? The closest I can come up with is it means someone who learns.
>>>>"Teachers and Learners"??
>
>>>Someone on TNMS mentioned that an anagram of "Didacts and Narpets" is
>>>"Addicts and Parents". This may be significant....
>
>>Narpets can be seen as an anagram for NPearts. I think Neil mentioned
>>this in an interview somewhere (or a Backstage Club Q&A response...)
>
>   Another interesting possibility. Still, it doesn't explain what this
>short, but typically wonderful Rush, song is trying to get across. Damn!
>Why doesn't Neil have a modem and use this conference?! :>

As if!!!  As if some people on the net wouldn't clog his in-box to hell
and back...
Either that or he just might die laughing--and _then_ where would we all
be????
[This is no flame, just a wry thought.]

Frank Sellin
==============
"Nuts."
        --not sure, but the next best guess is W.C. Fields.
==============
>
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From: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Mark A Bialik)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:14:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu

So what do you all think the pentagram and naked man represent (Archives,
2112, Exit....)?  Fear of the devil?

-- 
Mark A. Bialik   login: industry
Home phone: (414) 271-1619
industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu
Have a nice day, and remember, Clinton/Gore in '92.  Thank you.
From: v114r6tl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas P McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Being there
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

To all Rush lovin' dudes:
	I have been reading articles and responses for about a week now,
and I've finally decided to post.  As an observer, I'm surprised to see that
the majority of conversation on this group is based on the significance
and symbolism of the lyrics, to the point of debate.  
	Flaming.  This concept is a joke.  It is inevitable that people
will interpretate lyrics in different ways.  I find it much more interesting 
to read people's interpretations/ideas than to read one guy telling another 
"you think you know it all!"
	My point: Hold Your Fire.
	Another reason for my article is to search for those people, who
upon experiencing a concert, or even listening to a CD, get this emotional
surge.  Not like I come out crying, drooling, and running around hysterically.
I guess it's a rush.  
	Let's see exhibit A.  Last year I experienced the ultimate rush, 
attending the first show of the Roll the Bones tour. (Hamilton, Canada)
I go to the University of Buffalo, so this was not a large trek.  After 
seeing this show, I would have walked by foot...  
	I also enjoy the radio stations here.  Every fifth song on Canadian
stations up here is Rush.  I guess I'm spoiled.  My point here is that I
can readily experience "the rush" (OH GOD, it's clich`e.) and it usually
has a similar affect on me.  Confidence is a good word to describe it.
So is pride.
	What I'm looking for in responses is simple...  
	
	~people who have the same damn feeling
	~people who don't
	~favorite live songs (why?)
	~has anyone heard a new single ( a friend from Buffalo State College
         called me saying his friend heard it, and that they were releasing in
	 December.)
   				Thanks!
				Tom
From: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Mark A Bialik)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: re: circle, star, etc....
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:59:09 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu

Golly gee....

Sorry, Frank, didn't mean to disturb you so much.  First, I'm an atheist
(and have been for quite a few years) so any reference to fundamentalists is
laughable.  Secondly, I'm a new subscriber to the group and thought this
might be the place to get some questions answered about my favorite band.  I
was merely wondering what others thought about the man and circle, not
trying to imply Rush is a satan-worshiping group.
-- 
Mark A. Bialik   login: industry
Home phone: (414) 271-1619
industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu
Have a nice day, and remember, Clinton/Gore in '92.  Thank you.
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Misprints
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:51:23 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

Wow!  PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu typed...
> In article <1992Sep28.183511.20768@cc.umontreal.ca>
> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
> >
> >According to Geddy Lee, the lyrics on the liner notes are correct.
> >
> >Chris Tsirbas
>  
> This begs for support--where did Geddy Lee say that? PeW? ESL? Rockline
> interview? Newspaper article?

I've never heard a Geddy Lee quote on the subject, but Neil Peart's
comments on the Permanent Waves lyrics are in the FAQ.

(hint, hint)

-- 

Dan Delany
dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu
I failed the Turing test.
From: Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Great Moments / Emotive
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:34:38 -0700

gam@sun_jimh.mentorg.com (Gary Merrick x3704) writes:

>|> >I love that part, especially how, once Alex does pick up,
>|> >Geddy sort of motions
>|> >towards Alex with his head as if to say 'Not my fault'.
>|> >Another funny part is when
>|> >Neil stops and scratches his head before finishing up the
>|> >finale in Big Money (?).
>|>
>|>    Yah, what's THAT all about, anyway?!  Always wondered.
>|>    One of my personal favorites is in the "video" for Vital Signs...
>|> Neil's playing the beginning with one hand. :)

>I'm glad you brought up the Vital Signs video. Does anybody know what that
>thing is on the front of Neil's shirt? It looks like a gigantic light switch
>attached with electrical tape.
>I don't think it's an electronic device because I don't see any wires.

   Hmm...dunno. I haven't seen that for so long. Wasn't it in "Through
The Camera's Eye"? I'll have to get that now that I have a VCR again, as
well as Chronicles!

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:00:49 -0400 
From: Ceri Alun Morgan <cm5m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Misprints

Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.rush: 28-Sep-92 Misprints David J
Dawkins@csg.cs.r (549)


> Regarding the 'The Spirit of Radio' misprints, I have a copy of PermW where
> the lyrics to Freewill appear to be incorrect. I am sure Geddy sings

> 	"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

> This is printed as 

> 	"If you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice" 

> It's true, I swear :-) Doesn't even SCAN!!!

> Maybe this has been done to death in a previous life^H^H^H^Hthread.
> This is also a copy with the newspaper headlines blanked out.

> -dave

> -- 
> djd@uk.ac.reading.cs.csug
> djd@uk.ac.reading.cs.csg
> davidd@integ.uucp
I remember hearing somewhere that a foreign printing of the lyrics
(Canadian maybe?), that it is "If you choose not to decide, you still
have made a choice". I believe these are the lyrics that Neil/Geddy were
refering to as correct. 

but don't quote me on any of this :-)




| Ceri A. Morgan                           |    Queensryche          | 
| cm5m+@andrew.cmu.edu                     |    Rush                 |        
| Carnegie Mellon University               |    Pearl Jam            |
| (412) - 268 - 4428                       |    Beatles              |
From: st1s0@rosie.uh.edu (Hans, Samir)
Subject: Geddy Lee
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:14:00 GMT
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:55:37 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

f you want to flame me because I don't share the same vision of Rush
>as you do, then flame away, it'll only make you look like an idiot.
 
 
It seems that you've already beat me to that one.


Well, Gregg, it seems to me that perhaps I may have misjudged you, but
since you have studied philosophy you may well be aware of the gap between
the intention of a statement you make, and the way your statement is 
perceived.  Perhaps you should look at the way you structure your posts.

The way you come across is as one who is fixated on Rush and one who un-
conditionally accepts all that the band ever produces as gospel.  You come
across as one who has no critical faculties when it comes to discussing Rush,
somewhat like a religious zealot who is trying to convert another.  If that is
not the way you wish to come across, then by all means, demonstrate this in
your posts, and these flame wars will cease.  Or are you simply playing 
ANAGRAMS in your posts thus concealing some hidden meaning that I am missing?
:)
Chris in Montreal
tsirbasc@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
________________________________
...a word or image is symbolic when it implies
something more than its obvious and immediate meaning.
It has a wider 'unconscious' aspect that is never precisely
defined or fully explained.  Nor can one hope to define or
explain it.                     -Carl Jung
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: The creem interview
Summary: Why is Rush despised?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:20:20 GMT

Hey out there in NetLand:

	I just finished reading the "neil.creem.82" interview.  I think that
maybe this question is valid.  We all find Rush's music to be excellent both
musically and lyrically.  I really want to know why many writers for 
magazines such as _Rolling_Stone_, and _Creem_ seem to be dead set on making
Rush look bad, while music magazines, like _Modern_Drummer_, or maybe
_Guitar_Player_, and _Bass_Player_ really like Rush, and give them all sorts
of credit.  And BTW don't all the darlings of _Rolling_Stone_ all love
Rush, and give them lot's of credit.  This really startles me.  BTW 2, the
best article on Rush was written last November ('91), by the _Chicago_Tribune_
on the RTB tour.  (IMHO of course)
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Subject: Re: Being there
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:47:40 GMT

>	
>	~people who have the same damn feeling
>	~people who don't
>	~favorite live songs (why?)

I go absolutely nuts over 2112... I'll listen to 2112 on ATWAS over and over... and
I went absolutely NUTS when they started the overature in concert.. (I saw 'em on the
RTB tour TWICE... once from the fourth row... I could hardly walk after that one, I'd
worn myself out so much... that show is INTENSE.. (at least for those of us that have
gotten hooked on 'em since their last tour... after getting hooked on 'em, it took me
under a year to get ALL the albums...).

>	~has anyone heard a new single ( a friend from Buffalo State College
>         called me saying his friend heard it, and that they were releasing in
>	 December.)

?????????????????????   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I donno... I like whole albums myself!!!

l8r!
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:57:25 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1a3vodINNp8p@phakt.usc.edu> rone@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:
>In article <96813@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.212251.19686@bnr.ca> herrage@bnr.ca writes:
>>>In article <96784@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>>Why the semi-drastic changes from Hemispheres to Permanent Waves then?
>>This is great material for a new thread. WHY the big change? 

>According to the _Chronicles_ liner notes, Rush wanted to make more
>radio-oriented songs.  (some may feel that implies selling out)

!

Seeing as I own all non-compilations, I don't own this set. Who
wrote these liner notes (Mercury records?) and/or is there a copy
of them online somewhere?

!

Gregg




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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:22:01 GMT
Organization: The rational midnight star

In article <3OCT199215322149@rosie.uh.edu> inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (Bob Abraham) writes:

   BTW, I've been to quite a few rock concerts, including Rush and other
   bands, and I hate the whole "encore" idea now.  Granted, the bands do play
   some of their best songs during the encore, but it's all too planned.
   You yell your lungs out to get them to do an encore, they play their
   standard pre-arranged encore, then no matter how much you scream, they
   won't come out again.  The house lights come on: your cue to leave.  Is
   there any way out of this predictable sequence?  I'd love for them to
   come out and do a 2nd (or even 3rd) encore just in response to audience
   applause.

Well, Rush probably won't do a 2nd encore no matter how hard the audience
screams, but many other bands do. I don't know how many encores Metallica
did when they played in Helsinki on the ...And justice for all tour, but
the audience really didn't let them leave. In the very end, James Hetfield
said something along the lines of: "Don't scream anymore; we're not coming
back anymore". 
Rush are so darn predictable. They don't do any jams (the RTB songs being
an exception) and they play the same tunes in the same order night after
night. Ok, I know it's because of the huge effect show, but still it's not
that nice. But who am I to complain; I've never seen ONE Rush show in my
life. :-(
Rush have ruined the real idea of the encores, IMO. 


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From: fjs@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:26:48 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <1asanaINNb0d@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson) writes:
>This is in reference to the confusion about the pentagram.  A five pointed
>star, usually inscribed in a circle, is known as a pentgram, only when one
>of the points is up.  
                  ^^

Shouldn`t that be pointing downward???!!  Otherwise, it seems that all of my
grade school teachers were 'Satan Worshipers' (e.g. those gold stars on
completed works) and I don't like that idea very much.

(Perhaps that is why our nations educational system has deteriorated.....)


The pentagram is a symbol representing the five senses,
>the five elements(earth, air, fire, water, and Akasha, an omnipresent
>spiritual power), the hand, or the human body.  It has been used as a
>protective symbol since the days of Babylon.  I feel that Rush's use of the
>pentagram isn't a spiritual one, but rather a uniting of the senses.    
>Anyone else have any ideas?
>
>-suemac
>
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Misprints
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:52:34 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

Wow!  cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu typed...
>  I may be wrong, and If I am, I'm sure I'll hear it, but isn't the original
>  headline the _Chicago_Tribune_'s "Dewey Defeats Truman"?  I hear that the
>  paper brought legal action against the band for this and that is why it is
>  blanked out.  Any comments?

Check the FAQ.

-- 

Dan Delany
dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu
I failed the Turing test.
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mcr1@quads.uchicago.edu (mark conley roller)
Subject: Get Busy with the facts...
Reply-To: mcr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:54:14 GMT

I was just wondering out their in the 'invisible airwaves' kingdom
if any other place aside from Baltimore (specifaclly 98 ROCK) shit-canned
the rap because the DJ's thought it was stupid.

Well they shit-canned it for a week, and the song sounded like their
breaths - foul. What ensued was that many people called to complain 
and after a week and a half, they re-introduced (gaawwd) the rap part.
What a bunch of losers. 

- Same thing for queensryche's Anybody Listening? off of Empire. Oh
well, thanks god I got a CD player in my car, because the Radio is 
pure 100% unadulterated crap.

CYA L8R

Why
because

Chris
From: hagberg@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (HAGBERG JR, D. J.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: New album soon, or no?
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct1.191438.7229@ncsu.edu>, jlwoodal@eos.ncsu.edu writes...
> 
>New album soon, or no?

Probably not.  They had booked studio time for this fall, so we probably
won't see an albun until next spring or summer... :-(  That's what 
happens when they actually want to have a life separate from us screaming
fans...

			-=- D. J.
			-=- hagberg@ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:08:14 GMT

In article <diesel.56@odie.ee.wits.ac.za> diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel ) writes:
>In article <Bvnt7w.4Jz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) writes:
>
>>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>
>>>In article <16876150C2.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:
>
>>>>What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
>>>>Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
>>>>from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
>>>>to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.
>

Did you ever notice how "Digital Man" has a analog feel to it?

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From: inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (Bob Abraham)
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.145900.2184@bvc.edu>, earhartgregm@bvc.edu writes...
>
>         "They stand on stage twanging their instruments and then one of 
>them goes over to the other side of the stage and twangs for a little 
>while, then the other goes over to the other side and twangs for a while, 
>and then sometimes they even move around and twang together!" 

They move around?  I went to the Dallas Presto show and the Houston RTB
show and they did very little moving.  The Presto show was especially
lethargic.  Alex did most of the movement by just walking around a few
feet during his solos.  Geddy never moved; he just stood behind his mic
with his Lennon shades on.  The big bunnies that emerged out of the hats
gyrated more than they did -- not that I want to see them gyrate.  They
didn't even do the pseudo-Chuck Berry strut like in the "A Show of Hands"
video.

Although I'm more concerned with the music they're playing (at which
they are second to none), I would like to see them happy about being
there.  It's as if the whole touring thing has become more of a job than
a pleasure for them.  It's understandable if they are just getting too
old to tour.  But if they are truly bored with it, then I'm disappointed.

BTW, I've been to quite a few rock concerts, including Rush and other
bands, and I hate the whole "encore" idea now.  Granted, the bands do play
some of their best songs during the encore, but it's all too planned.
You yell your lungs out to get them to do an encore, they play their
standard pre-arranged encore, then no matter how much you scream, they
won't come out again.  The house lights come on: your cue to leave.  Is
there any way out of this predictable sequence?  I'd love for them to
come out and do a 2nd (or even 3rd) encore just in response to audience
applause.

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 12:45:35 EDT

In article <97612@bu.edu>
jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
 
>In article <16876150C2.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:
>>What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
>>Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
>>from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
>>to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.
>>--Ethan
 
>That's the strongest connection I could ever come up with. It _is_
>a pretty weak connection, but then again the connection between the
>titles is relatively weak too, right? I mean, if anything there is
>a _contrast_ between the two: analog/digital, kid/man. Right?
>
>Gregg
 
Well, I think the connection between the titles is really strong. That's why I
noticed anything in the first place. That contrast is what makes the
connection. So it just seemed to me that there would be some kind of thematic
connection, whether by contrast or not, like what the analog kid becomes when
he gets off his butt and does something, when he becomes a man. But I couldn't
find anything in that, really, so I wondered if anyone else could.
 
I guess I'm again just grasping...
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:30:24 GMT

I don't think Rush has changed at all due to
"record-label pressure." Rush is one of the few cash cows around
in the record industry today. I am sure that the executives at
Atlantic know that anything Rush releases will automatically sell
gobs of copies....why mess with a good thing?

I think Rush does their music the way it is now because (gasp)
they *want* to!


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