From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Subject: Re: Why don't you stay ?
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:34:30 GMT

In article <13SEP199210432939@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:

 > From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
 > Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
 > References: <1992Sep10.154925.1543@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <10SEP199216172457@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> <1992Sep10.233032.11008@cs.yale.edu> <1992Sep11.091557.11196@nuscc.nus.sg>
 
 > In article <1992Sep11.091557.11196@nuscc.nus.sg>, elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes...
 > >[..article says that Taiwan has it own political and finacial
 >     system edited out..]
 > 
 > Sorry, Sir. 
 > 
 > None of the above you mentioned represents SOVEREIGNTY. Hong Kong has
 > all the above you mentioned, but nobody would say it is a independent
 > country. Everybody knows that it is a colony of Great Britain. 

Is the abstract notion of sovereignty more important than the actual
wellbeing of real people?

 > Most of the people in today's world know the problem of Taiwan: it is the
 > result of the WWII and the cold war. Most people in this world would 
 > not say it is a LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN country. 

There is no "problem of Taiwan", there is only "problem of Beijing".
If Beijing had no problem, why would Taiwan want to create problem?
What "people in this world" say, think, acknowledge, recognize,
respect, etc, can change overnight when there is enough incentive
to. It is a FACT that Taiwan is independent from the governing of
Beijing, and fortunately so.

 > Whether Beijing should unify Taipei with force is another issue and
 > I am not intend to discuss that here. Again, this is a issue between
 > Beijing and Taipei while the F-16 sale is a issue between Beijing
 > and Washington, two world wide recognized sovereign counrties.

The sale has nothing to do with Taiwan? Well, who is paying the bill
and where are the fighters going? It is this kind of insensitive
mainland chauvinism that I can not criticize enough. You talk about
matters so important to Taiwan without even letting Taiwan to have a
voice, citing that Taiwan does not deserve a voice because the world
recognizes that it is part of China and so only what Beijing says
counts. Sorry that I have to use the sensitive analogy again to give
an insensitive person like you a personal feel. Well, you are from
China, do you deserve your own voice? Or, even if you deserve a
voice, no one would listen to you because "the world recognizes"
that Beijing is your "legitimate" government and so whenever Beijing
wants you back, you have to be returned. Now how do you like it?

Taiwan might be small or insignificant in the education you
received, but it is my, as well as 19 millions others', homeland.
It really hurts to see someone put it down like you did.

 > I'd like to remind you as well as Mr. Allen Yang that you can see a lot
 > of American students in Beijing, too. Does it mean that they believe
 > China is a better place than the United States? I have told Mr. Allen
 > Yang that I have no intension at all to stay here any longer than
 >						     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > it is necessary, not because here is bad but because I love my counrty.
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But are those American students seeking Permanent Residence or
citizenship from China? Could you elaborate on what you meant by
"...any longer than it is necessary"? May we know what exactly
constitutes the necessary conditions for your return to China? Would
you be kind enough to grant people in Taiwan the same necessary
condition or let them set their own necessary condition?

Yes, you love your country. Do people in Taiwan not love their
promising homeland?

 > I am very dispointed to see that several people from Twaiwan always
 > like to believe that there is only one cause for every thing. That
 > is simply not true. People from mainland came to the US for different
 > reasons and may want to stay here for different reasons. Also, people
 > may agree with you or disagree with you for different reasons. There
 > is no clear cut for anything!! I also feel that Some people, espacially
 > people from Taiwan, like to say the other body is "brain-washed". 
 > I am sorry to hear that. KMT invented that word and used that a lot
 > while Communists in Beijing rearly use it. So, who is "brain-washed"?

I hope I am not included in those "several people". If yes, I urge
you to go through my postings again carefully and make sure you did
not misunderstand or improperly extrapolate my words.

- Allan