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From: mette@gmd.de (Mette Krogsaeter)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:09:33 GMT

In <1992Oct5.063050.3862@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>What is ironical in The Nordic States that especially the ladies convert
>into the Islam. We are thought that the women of Scandinavia are for freedom
>and libarated and "the most progressive" in the world. Then you notice that
>the converts are them, not so much Scandinavian men. It means that many
>women do not feel well in freedom and in mathriarchal society like Sweden,
>Norway,Iceland adn Finland are but have a desire to live in the pathriachat.
>Islam is very pathriarchal religion and it interests especially scandinavian
>women. This should give some thoughts for the scandinavian men.
>Also in Finland the converts are mostly ladies!

This kind of reasoning seems pretty simplified to me. We need to know:
1) How many moslem men marry Scandinavian women, as compared to
2) How many moslem women marry Scandinavian men!
I would think that (as mostly MEN come alone to Scandinavia to work)
the number under 1) would be much higher than the number under 2).
Consequently, there are more Scandinavian women than men that are
ever faced with the problem of "choosing" between Islam and
Christianity.

>This is sometihing to think about for the women right fighters and feminists.
>jarmo

I'm sure this is the way some (men) will se it. ("Looks like the
women have TOO much freedom, and this figure shows they don't like it!
Women's lib has gone too far!") I guess the reasons for a woman's 
converting to islam can be much more complex. Typically love, pressure 
from the man's family, disappointment with other religions, ...
Also - how anybody can call Sweden (or Scandinavia for that sake)
mathriarchal is beyond me! Some "purely Scandinavian" Christian
organizations are at least as pathriarchal as some Islamic
directions (just so that we do not forget that there are many
directions of Islam as well).

Any way you like it, I have much more problems understanding the
"Hare-Khrishna-boys", members of the Scientology Church and so on -
than women marrying moslems and converting to Islam. The willingness
to give up personal freedom to follow some leader or ideology seems
to be a human trait rather than feminine one.

Mette Krogsaeter
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Emailing Ice Land
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:02:36 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:13:31 GMT

In article <8070039@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:

   In soc.culture.nordic, kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:

   > einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason) writes:
   > >In <mad-celt.715620015@cwis> mad-celt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Andrew Patrick Booth) writes:
   > >>I have some relatives that just got stationed in Ice Land and was wondering if 
   > >						  ^^^^^^^^
   > >BZZZZZTTTT!!!!   It is Iceland!  (we don't need to have the country refered
   > >to as Ice Land :-)
   > 
   > Gee, Ei nar, you prob ab ly hear man y peo ple mis pro nounce I
   > celand, since it is a coun try far in the hin ter lands...

 ...

	     Fuck off, Kurt. That is really uncalled for...

Chill out, it's a joke. 

*  Steinn Sigurdsson   			 Lick Observatory     	  *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu		       "standard disclaimer"  	  *
* But, oh, love is strange 					  *
* and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the smooth,      *
* I suppose 				              - B.B. 1983 *
From: hmj@cs.tut.fi (J{rvinen Hannu-Matti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Salaries
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:50:32 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kuukkeli.cs.tut.fi

In article <1992Sep28.183048.14924@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.161856.7279@cc.tut.fi>, sandt@cc.tut.fi (Sandt Jyrki) writes:

>>Associate professor A26 = 14102 FIM = about 2900 USD/month
>>Full professor A28 = 17001 FIM = about 3500 USD/month

>Do Finnish professors really earn this little? (I presume this is salary 
>before tax.)

Yes, we earn quite little, but in practice seldom this little. The
reason is that the amount above is the starting salary, which you will
get if you have never before worked for the state. Also the location
(i.e., the town) of the professorship has affects the salary. One can
get also extra for supervising post-graduate students, or for being the head
of laboratory or a department.

In general, academic salaries are not very attractive.
-- 
-----
Hannu-Matti Jarvinen, hmj@cs.tut.fi
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Subject: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: Ericsson
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:41:56 GMT



      This weekend I was taking the underground into the city to do some
      shopping. When I came up to the platform at the suburb station
      where I usually take the underground, there were already a few
      persons there. Among other a young islamic woman with a little
      child in a baby carriage. She had her head covered in some sort of
      head cloth and very loose clothing so you couldn't see the shape
      of her figure. She had that kind of thickset appearance so common
      among immigrant women. I thought that it is ironic that it's not
      the most beautiful women in Sweden that hide themselves from men's
      eyes, but rather the ugliest. But then I was really astonished to
      hear her talk perfect Swedish. It was an older woman nearby who
      asked her about something and when she replied I realized that she
      was in fact a native Swede.

      I started wondering how it can be that a native Swedish woman
      convert to Islam. Love, of course, but isn't it typical that it is
      always the woman who adjust to the man and not vice versa. Even
      when the man is the member of a minority culture. I was disturbed
      over her being a Swede and also a Moslem, and even more disturbed
      over the fact that I was disturbed. How come that you're disturbed
      I said  to myself, you're for religious freedom and also positive
      to immigration. The answer I guess, is that I always associated
      Swedes (and Scandinavians) with tolerance, pragmatism and a
      certain kind of non-religousness. Fundamentalism, Christian or
      Islamic is just not part of our national heritage and to see a
      Swede conform to mores that IMHO are not in line with what I would
      call a free life is depressing. Perhaps some people can't live
      with the uncertainess of freedom, but must escape into an absolute
      belief, religous or political.


      Mats Winberg
      Stockholm, Sweden


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Emailing Ice Land
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:06:37 GMT

Einar Indridason writes:

>I took Kurt's first posting in this thread as a joke, even if the smileys
>were lacking.

Remember, vikings don't use smileys.

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From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:15:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Emailing Ice Land
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

> 
> >>there was a way they could send/receive email from the U.S.  Is there some kind

> >>of email or internet service they can get access to?


         Yeah. They even have running water and toilets, Kurt!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

In soc.culture.nordic, kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:

> einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason) writes:
> >In <mad-celt.715620015@cwis> mad-celt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Andrew Patrick Booth) writes:
> >>I have some relatives that just got stationed in Ice Land and was wondering if 
> >						  ^^^^^^^^
> >BZZZZZTTTT!!!!   It is Iceland!  (we don't need to have the country refered
> >to as Ice Land :-)
> 
> Gee, Ei nar, you prob ab ly hear man y peo ple mis pro nounce I
> celand, since it is a coun try far in the hin ter lands...

          Huh?
> 
> >>there was a way they could send/receive email from the U.S.  Is there some kind
> >>of email or internet service they can get access to?
> >Hmm.  I think it would be best for them to check at some information place
> >at Keflavik. 
> >Personally, I don't know about it.
> >einari@rhi.hi.is
> 
> Well, Ein ar, we cer tain ly hope that some day your litt le coun try
> will get in ter net so that you can read this mess age. . .
> --
          Fuck off, Kurt. That is really uncalled for...
   
          Iceland has been on Internet for years..and, surprise of surprises,
*they did it aaaaalllll on their own** and didn't require the services 
of the Keflavik colony set up by the US!!

          Geesh!
 

-reykja

rks@cscns.com


From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:09:46 GMT
Subject: Hannes V. in Iceland
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

Hi Hannes!

    It was a great to hear from you and I am *really* relieved that you
are finally feeling better! A snail response is on it's wway to you. 
I wanted to let you know, though, that I have a new e-mail address. 
I am posting this from HP but do not get my e-mail here. (It will just
fly through a .forward file anyway.) It is rks@cscns.com.

   Hope to hear from you on e-mail also. ;-)

Be well!!

-rks


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ricwe@ida.liu.se (Rickard Westman)
Subject: Re: Dramatic weekend in Sweden
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 21:38:13 GMT

d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:

>  The first is about an unnamed construction company that recently lost half
>a billion SKR due to bad 'market gambling'. What had happened was that some
>persons had 'invested' the companys money in short-term markets, thereby
>for a time creating a profit for the company and (probably) a percentage
>for themselves.
>  When reality caught up with the investments, one of them was 'forced to
>resign' and the company was left with the debts which probably will end up
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in my pocket as a tax-payer. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why would this loss affect the tax-payers?  I presume the company in question
is Skanska AB.  The unsuccessful currency speculation coupled with Dennis'
ideas of interest rates will probably eradict most of Skanska's profit for
this year, but the gambling money came from their shareholders (e.g. me), not
from the tax-payers.  Skanska is financially strong, even after this
unfortunate event.
--
Rickard Westman, Programming Environments Lab, University of Linkoping, Sweden
EMAIL: Rickard.Westman@ida.liu.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a new Radio Czechoslovakia schedule?
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:43:35 GMT

  Well, apart from the flames - There is a newsgroup soc.culture.czecho-slovak,
which is rather more appropriate for that. I cross-posted your article over
there.
								Tom
From: arne@mango.mef.ki.se (Arne Elofsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: E-mail to EUNET, SWENET, NORDUNET ?????
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:39:59 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I appologize if this is the wrong forum to ask about this^C
(Interrupt -- one more to kill letter)
^Cmango:arne>mail soc-culture-nordic@ucbvax.berkeley.edu  
Subject:  E-mail to EUNET, SWENET, NORDUNET ?????
I appologize if this is the wrong forum to ask about this.

I would like to find E-mail servers for posting articles to:
EUNET, SE^[[PWENET and NORDUNET.
(similar as e.g. ucbvax.berkeley.edu)

thankfully Arne
arne@mango.mef.ki.se
From: ji2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Joel Ikdal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: The Stavanger Vikings.
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:32:01 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak27.doc.ic.ac.uk


Could someone in Norway please keep me updated on
the Stavanger Viking icehockey and football teams.
Will Viking Hockey make the play-offs ?
Will the football team be relegated ?
I NEED TO KNOW !

Thanks.

Joel
-- 
Joel S. Ikdal			| Department of Computing
Comp Sci I			| Imperial College
e-mail : ji2@doc.ic.ac.uk	| London
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: Studying in Sweden
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:52:23 GMT

Hi Folks,

I was considering undergraduate medical studies in Sweden (possibly at
Lund). I have learned, however, that dramatic changes will take place
regarding educational opportunities for foreign students. Does anyone
know more precisely what these changes might encompass as far as the
admissions processes are concerned. Also, would visiting students be
expected to pay higher tution.....

Thanks,

J. Absood
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dramatic weekend in Sweden
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:33:41 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Sep25.213813.913@ida.liu.se> ricwe@ida.liu.se (Rickard Westman) writes:
>d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>>  When reality caught up with the investments, one of them was 'forced to
>>resign' and the company was left with the debts which probably will end up
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>in my pocket as a tax-payer. 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Why would this loss affect the tax-payers?

  Because of the hue and cry that would go up if the government allowed it to
go bancrupt and because the normal cross-ownerships of the Swedish companies
tend to make bancruptcies snowball.

  Penser/Nobel/SEBanken can be taken as an example of the latter.

>I presume the company in question
>is Skanska AB.

  "I can neither confirm nor deny..."

>Skanska is financially strong, even after this
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>unfortunate event.

  Assuming that they don't have any other larger losses they've managed to
cover up so far, then, yes, Skanska is financially strong.

  If this situation is more like the Nordbanken affair, we haven't seen all of
the losses yet, since they are pushed to the future with accounting techniques.

>Rickard Westman, Programming Environments Lab, University of Linkoping, Sweden

-bertil-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: Emailing Ice Land
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:50:07 GMT

reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>          Fuck off, Kurt. That is really uncalled for...
>   
>          Iceland has been on Internet for years..and, surprise of surprises,
>*they did it aaaaalllll on their own** and didn't require the services 
>of the Keflavik colony set up by the US!!

>          Geesh!
> 

Seems like somebody has a bug up their ass...

If I'm ever in Fort Collins, Colorado, I'm gonna shoot out the tires
of the first person who can't take a joke... Or the first person who
doesn't have internet...
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: Finnish Military Service
Originator: tt@tarzan.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:55:34 GMT


In article <92260.182138IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T. Peter Leone) writes:
>
> Hello. I was recently "drafted" into the Finnish military, I was born in
> Finland, and my mother is Finnish. Although my father is not. I have lived
> my entire life in the United States however. I do wish to retain my Finnish
> citizenship. But I don't want to serve in the military. I am attending
college
> right now, so I have asked for a deferment, and have recevied one for three
> years. Is there anyway I can not serve in the military, yet retain my
> citizenship.

You can avoid _military_ service by opting civic service instead.
It lasts longer, however (13 months vs. 8-11 in the army).
Otherwise, medical exemption is just about the only way out
-- fake if no real one: certain psychological problems "can be arranged", 
and homosexuality will do as well in practice if not in theory).
Finnish employers may not like that in your record but you might
not care about that.

Unless I'm badly mistaken you cannot hold to both citizenships
in any case, however.  Finland doesn't like dual citizenships.
--
Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com ("Johnson")
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:54:18 GMT

etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
=) 
=)This weekend I was taking the underground into the city to do some
=)shopping. When I came up to the platform at the suburb station
=)where I usually take the underground, there were already a few
=)persons there. Among other a young islamic woman with a little
=)child in a baby carriage. She had her head covered in some sort of
=)head cloth and very loose clothing so you couldn't see the shape
=)of her figure. She had that kind of thickset appearance so common
=)among immigrant women. I thought that it is ironic that it's not
=)the most beautiful women in Sweden that hide themselves from men's
=)eyes, but rather the ugliest. But then I was really astonished to
=)hear her talk perfect Swedish. It was an older woman nearby who
=)asked her about something and when she replied I realized that she
=)was in fact a native Swede.
=)
It seems quite possible that she might be a second-generation daughter
of Islamic immigrants.  That would explain her appearance, her fluent
use of Swedish and her religious leanings.  Or, maybe I'm missing
something.  :-)/2
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From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: (none)
Originator: tt@tarzan.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
	<1992Sep28.183048.14924@kth.se>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:28:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.183048.14924@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.161856.7279@cc.tut.fi>, sandt@cc.tut.fi (Sandt Jyrki) writes:
>>
>>In article <9209281324.AA07429@hermes.hut.fi> pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
>>>Hi,Finnish netters:
>>>Is there anyone know how much the starting salary is for the
>>>associate professor virka A26 and professor virka A28?
>>>Anyone knows it please let me know.
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>H.Pan
>>
>>Associate professor A26 = 14102 FIM = about 2900 USD/month
>>Full professor A28 = 17001 FIM = about 3500 USD/month

>Do Finnish professors really earn this little? (I presume this is salary 
>before tax.)

Those wages are a bit misleading, they are the theoretical
"starting salary" which is increased by years in state service
including any earlier state jobs as well as military service
and most professors have long academic careers behind them --
the increase can be quite substantial.
Also, the pay is increased in "high expense areas" which
covers most university towns.
Nonetheless, Finnish professors definitely earn relatively little
when compared to other West-European countries or USA. 
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: sandt@cc.tut.fi (Sandt Jyrki)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:18:56 GMT


In article <9209281324.AA07429@hermes.hut.fi> pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
>Hi,Finnish netters:
>Is there anyone know how much the starting salary is for the
>associate professor virka A26 and professor virka A28?
>Anyone knows it please let me know.
>Thanks in advance.
>H.Pan
>
>

Associate professor A26 = 14102 FIM = about 2900 USD/month
Full professor A28 = 17001 FIM = about 3500 USD/month

At these days you will never know, how much 1 FIM is worth.
Something like 4.8 FIM = 1 USD, I guess.

	-jyrki-
From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: Thanks
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:37:55 GMT

Folks,

My thanks to all those who responded to my request both in public
and private. My mother got her Ph.D. from Lund so I know something
about life there.

In any event I again thank everyone for their help.

Sincerely,

J. Absood
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com ("Johnson")
Subject: Re: Life ciences Institutes or Corporations in Scandinavia?
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:42:36 GMT

In article <etxmow.717846494@garboc34>, etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
=)happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots) writes:
=)>  Also, I was wondering if English is spoken a great deal in Scandinavia?
=)     You'll have no trouble at all working in an academic environment.
=)     In fact, you might find that you'll have trouble learning the local
=)     language because English is almost a second language in
=)     Scandinavia. I know of English speaking people who have lived here

Based on a subjective comparison of this newsgroup with some others, your
English may improve somewhat.
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