From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Solution to Ayodhya problem, by TN chief minister.
Keywords: Ayodhya, Tami nadu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:08:00 GMT




In article <Bz4196.Iwx@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Srithar
an) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.184926.4629@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>
>>In article <Bz3uGK.Fx6@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Srith
ar
>>an) writes:
>>>
>>>Yeah, similar to the humour that Sankarapandi provided when
>>>he pointed out that certain faculty members were hired at
>>>IIT, Madras just beacuse they are Brahmins :-)
>>>
>>>Oh, boy! :-) is such an effective tool!
>>>
>>>-- rst
>>
>>     Oh, boy! my humour has hit you so strongly :-).
>>
>>    There are two people who asked me to give the details about the Brahmin
>>domination and sent them my replies.  I do not want to post them in the
>>newsgroup because it will embarass you (even humour hits you) more.  Moreover
,
>>the affectyed people still have to survive in IITM.
>>
>>If you want I will mail it to you personnally.  Or you ask any of your buddy
>>from IITM.
>>
>>S. Sankarapandi
>>
>>
>>S. Sankarapandi
>
>Please post it in the net. If the Brahmins are cheating
>in IIT, Madras, then everyone should know about it.
>
>Besides, I think it is only fair that you post the whole
>story in the net, not just the initial accusations.
>


     First let me explain the context here because those who did not see my 
earlier postings where I commented about this issue may not be aware what I 
talked about.

     A few times, I have seen people in this net while condemning the 
caste-based reservations talked about the ethics and fall of merit.
Then I came up with the fact that even in places where there are no  caste 
based reservations caste plays a dominant role in appoinments and also large 
violation of ethics and standards.  I quoted many examples about the practices 
followed in IIT, universities like MK University, Anna University where the 
dominant (already established communities) caste people do not follow merit but
they want to bring their own caste men to fill the positions and also they 
denied the qualified people from other communities.  Even in normal academic 
life they discriminate other communities and most of them do not mainatain any 
ethics in teaching, research, spending the projects etc.

     I did not blame only Brahmins in IIT.  I also blamed very harsely other 
communities including the community I am supposed to belong.   But you have 
isolated only Brahmins and ask me to give the evidence and it looks like you 
either accept that communities other than Brahmin do such casteist practices or
you do not bother even if I am just accusing other communities also.  That 
shows your caste biased mentality.  Nothing else will prove my accusation !!

     Coming to the specifics, I do not go back in my words.  I am not afraid or
not trying to escape here.  I did not want to go on a personal basis to 
announce thier names because nobody in the net is going to know them by names 
in this net nor the named persons will get a chance to deny my accusation.  But
I generally mentioned about the overall practice.

     Though I know about other departments of IITM through my friends in other 
depts, I am myself not eligible to talk about thier capabiliites.  But I can 
tell you about the chemistry department.   Atleast 90 % of the  faculty
members hired in the last 10-15 years were not based on merit and they do not
have any academic, teaching, research or atleast administrative capabilities.
This can be accepted by any grad student or Masters student or some times 
B.Tech student (if they had interacted) who came out of IITM Chem dept.  You
can ask them if you meet.  At the same times whenever there was an interview 
and genuinely meritoroius candidates from other candidates have been rejected
if they do not belong to Brahmin community.  

     Now you can verify and accuse me  as anti-brahmin if you want.  I
am anti-caste and I will talk about all the castes though I am also going back
to India for a job and will be facing these people in all universities or
institutes.  Basically everyone of us is responsible for these caste practices 
and we are so affected if someone points at our community alone.  Our parents 
did it yesterday and passed it to us.  We do it today and pass it to our 
children and they do it tomorrow.  This continues for generations !!!

     I remember Bharathi on his birthday todau, he was so couragious in his 
days -  he brought a Harijan boy and make him wear 'poonool' and called him as 
brahmin.  Some DK people may be accusing him this act as Brahministic and 
trying to show Brahmin supremacy.  But actually it is not the case.  He was 
against castes and he cut his 'poonool' in Ettayapuram palace in front of the 
king protesting him being called as Brahmin.  Now every year we see in TV and
Radio,  some Mangalam or Pankajam calling his name as "Subramaniya IYER".


     we are cheated at schools and we allow our children cheated by teaching

     "saathi iraNdozhiya veRillai satrunkal"

     "saathikaL illaiyadi pappa" etc.

     What a hypocritic sociey !!! We should be ashamed.  We should teach the 
truth as

     "saathikaL uLLathadi pappa"


     Atleast Bharathi will happy for speaking the truth.


S. Sankarapandi

Dec 11, 1992 - Bharathi's birth day.