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From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Re: The digi-crap problem...
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:18:18 GMT


My solution to the Digipak problem (and it is a problem) is that I have a bunch
of Digipak-size plastic bags with sticky stuff on them and as soon as I buy a 
new Digipak, I put it in one of these. When I remove the CD to play it, I put 
the Digipak back in the bag while it's playing. It adds one step to the process
of listening to the CD, but it at least protects the CD and the artwork better
and is a lot cheaper than color photocopies and a lot less demanding than the
Xacto method. You can buy these bags for cheap (I happened to get about 200 of 
them from friend who works in a record store, free :-) in bulk. You do have to 
be careful that you don't let the Digipak touch the sticky stuff, though, 
because sometimes it'll rip a little cardboard off.

I honestly think that the person who thought this up should be shot through
the hands and then forced to listen to 1000 of these CDs without getting
blood on the artwork. :-) I gave in on Digipaks for CD5s because it keeps
the price down and it's just a single, no need for a booklet or whatever,
but I *REFUSE* to buy the new INXS or Deee-Lite CDs in those awful Eco-Paks.
If WEA ends up switching to them, I *will* refuse to buy them and seek out
imports, painful as it will be. This type of packaging (which you have to
*assemble* of all things!) is deliberately less stable and less reliable
and more expensive to replace than a jewel box, and all because they didn't
want to close their paper-processing plant that would have died when they
stopped pressing LPs in the US. GET WITH THE TIMES! Sony is (thank goodness),
why can't they?

-- 
					- Adam J Weitzman
					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
From: murat@farallon.com (Murat N. Konar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Help:  Discontinued Albums
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:53:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: Farallon Computing

In article <sehamb01.715279568@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>,
sehamb01@vulcan.spd.louisville.edu (Steve Hamburg) wrote:
> Blancmange:  Believe You Me (I think this is the name of the album)
> Gary Numan:  There is a song that is called "I'm praying to the aliens"  I don't             recall the title of the album.

Praying to the Aliens is on Numan's Replicas album.  Most of his old albums
are out on CD, but they've a two-into-one thing.  I.e. you get two albums
on one CD.

______________________________________________________________________________
Murat N. Konar
Sound Software Engineer (NOT!)
Farallon Computing, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: LONGEST CDs IN THE WORLD LIST - Changes needed?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:09:54 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf)) writes:

>> Since the last issue was posted (#7), I have received an even bigger
>> mountain of CDs to go on the list.  If I keep the threshold at 75
>> minutes, the new list would have about 350 entries. 
>
> Move it up to 77, maybe even 78 minutes.   

I'd rather see it as a "top 50" list, to be honest.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: loose@informix.com (Thomas Luce)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: BMG Catalog numbers for Zep CD's
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:57:13 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


Here are BMG Catolog numbers and prices for Led Zeppelin discs

Led Zep I	D134303		$14.98
Led Zep II	D103692		$14.98
Led Zep III	D104162		$14.98
Led Zep IV	D112014		$14.98
Houses/Holy	D134321		$14.98
Phys Graffiti	D212318		$24.98
Presence	D134152		$14.98
Song Remains	D209283		$24.98
In Through	D153830		$14.98
Coda		D133759		$14.98
Remasters	D217030		$39.98 ???

And if in doubt about any others, try calling the BMG Customer Service
line
@ 1-800-WAMADEU[S] and asking them.

Much thanks to:
	cecka@stolaf.edu (Way Cool, Jr.)
	by074@cleveland.freenet.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
	gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.edu (Gary Dare)
From: t8800568@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: War of the Worlds/Jeff Wayne
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:53:12 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <fybnj8p@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> Dan White <DANW@WUVMD> writes:
> 
>> I am looking for a copy of Jeff Wayne's War of The Worlds on CD.
> 
> There are still copies of it in some of the stores around here.  Email me
> if you'd like me to pick one up . . . after postage it'd be a little over
> twenty dollars or so.
> 
>> I understand that there is also a CD out that has a few of the
>> songs without narration, I would be interested in that as well.
> 
> The CD-single for Ben Liebrand's remix of "Eve Of The War" has a
> narrationless version of "Forever Autumn" on it, but that's the only one
> that comes to mind.  It's only out in Europe and Australia and is long out
> of print. 

Wasnt there an 'edited hilights' version of War of the worlds?  I think
this had most of the narration edited.  
> 
> --
> Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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From: ewing@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (David Ewing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: BMG Catalog numbers LIST
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:12:54 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <6822@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> stevenh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Steven C Herring) writes:

[Re: a list of BMG catalog numbers]

>I don't know the status of the list but my experience with BMG is that such
>a list is not very useful. If a CD hasn't been listed in a fairly recent
>catalog then there is a good chance they no longer have it in stock.

Whenever I get a new catalog, I enter the names and numbers of the
CDs that interest me (that are new to the catalog) in a text file on my 
computer.  Granted, there usually aren't very many new ones per
issue.   Then when I order, I just consult this file.  I have never
had a problem with a selection being no longer available and I do
order many CDs that have been listed for quite a while (maybe I'm
just lucky).  From my experience, a master list would indeed be
useful.  If you find something that you're interested in that
happens to be fairly old, you can always call and see if it is still
available (as Steve suggests below).

>Conclusions:

>    1) Use the phone to see if a particular disc is still available.

This is a good idea.

>    2) Use the phone to reject the selection of the month.

I actually wrote them a letter stating that no one in their right
mind would ever take the selection of the month, since they are
always offering a three for one deal.  I asked them to please make
the default that they don't send me anything unless they here from
me.  On my next mailer, under the selection of the month, the
following was present:  "To receive this selection you must return
this card with order instructions" and the "Do not send any
selections at this time" option was X'ed out.  This makes dealing
with BMG MUCH easier.

>    3) Use the phone to get catalog numbers or see if they carry a particular
>       selection.

>BMG phone number: (800) 926-2338    (Have your account number ready)

-- 
*************************************************************************
David A. Ewing                             David.Ewing@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM
From: doh@cis.ksu.edu (Kyung-Goo Doh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: MFSL Pink Floyd The Wall sold out?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 02:50:52 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: draconis.cis.ksu.edu

In article <1992Aug28.011155.4162@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>Is there any talk about Columbia, now that they're owned by Sony,
>possibly using the MFSL masters for a reissue of "The Wall?  This
>was done by Polygram for the Allman Brother's "Eat a Peach".  (And
>that is what I've been banking on. (-;)
>

Has Polygram then rereleased the MFSL-mastered version?
How do you distinguish one from the other then?
I have the old version. I guess I should update if the sound quality is
a lot better. :-(

Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6155 rec.music.marketplace:1242
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: Re: War of the Worlds/Jeff Wayne
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:57:29 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty) writes:

>> The CD-single for Ben Liebrand's remix of "Eve Of The War" has a
>> narrationless version of "Forever Autumn" on it, but that's the only
>> one that comes to mind. 
>
> You must be thinking of the single CD highlights album. 

Nope, thinking of the CD-single -- see my post elsewhere in this thread for
a tracklist.  Pphphhpht. :-)

(I'd appreciate more detailed info on the highlights CD, though . . . )

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"Hello.  My name is Julie, and this is the M-16."
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Al Stewart CD releases
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:20:33 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA
Wombat: yes
Number: 54315

In article <1992Aug26.225817.545@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, kaiser@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Chris Kaiser) writes:
> 
> >
> > Subject: RELEASE: Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 92-32
> >
> > 18 Aug  r Al Stewart                      Modern Times
> >
> > 18 Aug  r Al Stewart                      Past, Present & Future
> 
> 
> Does anyone out there know the label and number for these CD's?
> I'd really like to get them, but that means getting a store to
> import them which means that I have to know a few more details than
> that they're supposed to have been released...

Both are on Rhino Records.  Modern Times is R2 71046.  I don't know about
PPF; I didn't get it since it's a re-re-issue (second release on CD).
You don't necessarily have to order them through a record store.  Rhino has
a catalog and mailing list: "Send one dollar [U.S.], check or money order
(payable to Rhino Records, Inc.) along with your name and address to: Rhino
Catalog, 2225 Colorado Ave., Santa Monica, CA 90404-3555", or so it says in
the Modern Times CD booklet.
--
Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: War of the Worlds/Jeff Wayne
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:10:42 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

Dan White <DANW@WUVMD> writes:

> I am looking for a copy of Jeff Wayne's War of The Worlds on CD.

There are still copies of it in some of the stores around here.  Email me
if you'd like me to pick one up . . . after postage it'd be a little over
twenty dollars or so.

> I understand that there is also a CD out that has a few of the
> songs without narration, I would be interested in that as well.

The CD-single for Ben Liebrand's remix of "Eve Of The War" has a
narrationless version of "Forever Autumn" on it, but that's the only one
that comes to mind.  It's only out in Europe and Australia and is long out
of print. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: UPCOMING RELEASES #5
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:21:48 GMT

In <1992Aug28.123715.15374@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin) writes:

>In article <752.31.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp>, neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) writes:
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Date      Artist/Group                    Title
>>------    ------------------------        -------------------------------------
>>   Oct    Michael Bolton                  <title unavailable>  [GT]
>>   Oct *  Kenny G                         <title unavailable>  [CT]

>Why is this being posted in rec.music.cd, rather than in rec.music.info (where 
>it's been showing up recently).  Also, why break it into so many pieces?

Because Neil Black is obviously an ignorant newbie who doesn't understand
that credit should be given where credit is due (that's dooley's list from
the looks of things).

Yes, it belongs in rec.music.info, but neil obviously doesn't understand these
things...

--
jester@crash.cts.com
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: ICE: good place for CD info
Keywords: aminorex
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:17:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Aug25.212707.4489@nmsu.edu> death@acca.nmsu.edu (The Grimm Reaper) writes:
>Hey guys - I just subscribed to a publication that my record store
>subscribes to.  I asked the owner where he received his "upcoming
>releases" list of music.  He showed me a little publication called "ICE". 

Isn't this in one of the Musical Mail Order postings?  Hey, where do you
think half the entries in the RELEASES: postings are taken from? %)

>Inside this magazine it has a couple features (about big-news upcoming CD
>releases), 

"Big-news" == mainstream and on a major label.

>the CD Watchdog (where readers help other readers spot
>low-quality discs), Compact News (industry news), Collector's Corner (info
>on little-known places to find good stuff), CD Release Dates (ALL CD
>releases in a two-to-three month time period, including new and compiltion
>releases), 

ICE doesn't come _close_ to covering "ALL" releases... their coverage of
smaller labels and indie stuff is pretty poor, actually.  They tend to
stick with stuff that's connected to major labels, and/or reissues of
old rock, blues, r&b, etc.  They sometimes do better, but a _lot_ of
stuff never appears in their lists.

>Going Underground ("grey-area" live recordings from overseas),
>a classified section, and finally, Ice Cubes (little snippets of news and
>gossip not to be found elsewhere in the mag).
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's nice that they only print those in one place. %)

>As a final note, I am in no way affiliated with this publication.  I am
>just a -very- satisfied reader (from just -one- issue).  I think the
>publication is a perfect complement to this forum.

Agreed.  I'm a bit peeved by their sucking up to DCC and swallowing all
the crap about the new DCC gold discs ($31 at a local store!  shit!),
however.  And if they were _real_ "watchdogs," they'd be griping about
all the low-grade remastered CDs from Columbia, MCA, etc.  But all they
do is wait until upgraded CDs come out, and _then_ complain about how
bad the old ones were... I think they're getting a bit reluctant to bite
the hand that provides their information.

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: The digi-crap problem...
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:14:43 GMT

>>         I found a temporary solution that works for me.  All you need is an
>>empty jewel box ($0.44 from Noteworthy), a metal-edged ruler, a SHARP X-Acto
>>knife, and some patience ;-)  If you're careful you'll get all the artwork
>>of the digi-crap in the durability of the jewel box.

>I prefer scanning the artwork into a computer so I can manipulate it to 
>simulate the folding book style of Real Jewel Box packages.
>('Course I'm still wishing for a *color* scanner ...)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well I've gone the X-acto route too, but this is a bunch of shit.  Why
should we have to mutilate and/or attempt to duplicate the artwork in 
an effort to preserve the artwork?  If someone comes up with a package 
that is BETTER than the jewel box, fine.  But in order to be better it 
must be at least as good -- ie. it must:
(1) protect the CD
(2) protect the artwork
(3) the part that does the protecting must be replaceable without
    destroying the CD or the artwork
(4) must be compatible with existing storage systems (which are widespread)

...and the digi-crap fails miserably on points 2,3, probably 4, and possibly
even on point 1.  Unfortunately (based on another post) it seems WEA would 
prefer to spend advertising money trying to convince us that bad is good 
rather than give the consumers the quality they want.  Some of the CD 
re-mastering hack jobs of rock & roll masterpieces gives (and accompanying 
behind the scenes stories, which make it sound like the 3 Stooges are in 
charge) give ample evidence that the manufacturing end of the music industry 
frequently has little or no interest in quality.

-Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: CD-lists and databases
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:29:59 GMT

David Datta (datta@cs.uwp.edu) wrote:
: Malcolm Humes (malcolm@wrs.com) wrote:
: : pkzip. I'll try to put a uniz .Z file there of it too. Dave Datta may
: : be setting up a WAIS interface at his site too, but of anyone else wants

Here is the WAIS .src file:

(:source 
   :version  3 
   :ip-address "131.210.1.4"
   :ip-name "ftp.uwp.edu"
   :tcp-port 210
   :database-name "cdbase"
   :cost 0.00 
   :cost-unit :free 
   :maintainer "datta@cs.uwp.edu"
   :description "Server for CD Database

A database of Compact Discs 

"
)
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu: Man made machines make music for the man.  Now
machines make music while the man makes plans. A second generation, a
generation lost. While the man prepares for the holocaust.- A Flock of Seagulls
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6298 rec.music.misc:22710
From: bamn@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:59:44 GMT
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)

In article <1992Sep3.121018.9619@cs.tulane.edu>, piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart) writes:
>> I have been interested in joining a CD club lately. I would like to
>> hear from people who have experience with both the Columbia House and
>> BMG Compact Disc clubs.
> 
> I've been in both clubs (still am as a matter of fact) but don't recommend
> them any more.  Instead, dial 1-800-648-7972 to call Noteworthy Music.  Ask
> for their current catalog and you'll have it by the end of the week.  The
> selection is far, far better and the prices are much, much lower than the
> clubs.  They have an excellent reputation.  Brand new releases are only 
> $12.04 and older releases get as low as $7.70.  Shipping is $3.75 (UPS
> ground) for 1-5 CDs and $4.00 for 6-10 CDs.  I'm cancelling membership in the
> clubs and dealing with Noteworthy from now on.  Oh, and they take check or
> credit card.  It takes a wee bit longer for a check (for clearance) but you'll
> have a charged order within a few days after placing it.
> 
> 
> 	Mike
> 
> 

hi,
Does this Noteworthy Music carry classical CD's if so,
do you know if they have a good selection?

naren
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: UPCOMING RELEASES #5
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:37:15 GMT

In article <752.31.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp>, neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) writes:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date      Artist/Group                    Title
>------    ------------------------        -------------------------------------
>   Oct    Michael Bolton                  <title unavailable>  [GT]
>   Oct *  Kenny G                         <title unavailable>  [CT]

Why is this being posted in rec.music.cd, rather than in rec.music.info (where 
it's been showing up recently).  Also, why break it into so many pieces?

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110       >
From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Roger Waters: Amused to Death
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:02:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space CUDets Int'l

In the referenced article, phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop) writes:
>Got the new Roger Waters album and was surprised to find that the jewel box was
>shrink-wrapped inside the long box!  Also, there's a holographic sticker thingy
>around the opening end below the shrink-wrap that says "Sony Music" and has
>some moving staff markers and a bunch of thick-and-thin horizontal lines on
>it.  Anyone else get on of these?  Is Sony so worried about piracy that they're
>starting to do this?

Yes, I recently bought a copy of XTC's _Waxworks_ CD, which comes in a
"generic" Geffen Records longbox.  The longbox has a hole cut out so
that the shrink-wrapped jewel box shows through.  The jewel box was
sealed, inside the shrink wrap, with a hologram sticker that read
"factory sealed".  Of course, I removed the sticker with minimum
damage to it and stuck it to the jewel box.  A trophy.

This is probably the record companys' first step towards complying
with the eventual long box ban.  And we'll find out just how long
digi-pak and the like holds up when the long boxes are gone and
digi-pak CDs are in inventory for a long time, gradually getting
scuffed until they are no longer in sellable condition, and the
retailers get pissed at the manufacturers and start sending the
scuffed and damaged digi-pak CDs back, demanding replacements, thus
increasing the cost to the manufacturers, which will hopefully
convince them that jewel boxes are better in the long run.  (Dream on.)

	-- John-- 
If you are interested in joining an XTC mailing list,
drop a line to chalkhills-request@presto.ig.com.
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6089 rec.music.misc:22219
From: craigs@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Craig Shipley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: OFFERED: Discography of "Doldingers Passport"
Keywords: doldinger passport cd discography
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:50:17 GMT
Reply-To: craigs@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Craig Shipley)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <malcolm.714419732@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>ricki@rwthi3.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Richard Breuer) writes:
>
>>The subject says it all... I'm especially interested in the release dates,
>>since some of their CDs contain no information on when they appeared.
>

Well, after having seen all of these partial discographies, it's time to
go ahaead and do a real one. I'll get to work on it. I have (most) all of
the CD's, so I'll take the info directly from them. The only one that
I don't have any info on is the 1973 Jubilee release (the triple LP); I
didn't even know that one existed! Can some kind person post or e-mail me
the track listing, personel, cat. #, etc, so that I can include it (you
will be credited!) Also, any solo work info, other that for DAS_BOOT and
THE_NEVERENDING_STORY would also be appreciated! Thanks!


Regards,

Craig Shipley

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