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From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Subject: Re: JGB TREE 10-31-92
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:11:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.224253.329@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ajs@jloda.cci.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.222031.28860@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> you write:
>|
>|2. Some peoplw have requested dolby.  This is not going to happen 
>|  (Unless there is a DAT tree and someone who will make a Dolby copy
>|   for you)  This is a _NON-DOLBY_ tree.
>
>Oh no, the Dolby nightmare again!
>Just because the master tape has 'no dolby' doesn't mean that the 
>next generation tape shouldn't or can't have it.  Play the master
>with 'no Dolby' and record the next generation tape with Dolby.
>The two decks are independent of each other and a no 'no Dolby' to
>Dolby dub is easily accomplished.  Unless, of course, it's one of
>those dual-well dubbing decks.  But that's a whole other story!  :-)

Another observation.  One of the biggest misconceptions about it
arises from its name, Dolby _noise reduction_.  In fact dolby does not
_reduce_ noice once it is already there.  It encodes the sounds on the
tape in such a way that there will be less _noise addition_ from the
tape surface.  The standard garbage in, garbage out applies to dolby
as with most things.  If you copy a hissy tape and use dolby on the
copy, the copy will be hissy as well.  The point is, there is no
advantage that I can think of to making a copy of a tape which was _not_
made with dolby and using dolby on the copy.  This has nothing to do with
the many other reasons not to use dolby such as the fact that the
dolby specs are often only loosely adhered to in each manufacturer's 
implementation so chances are the tape made on someone else's deck will
not sound the same when decoded on your deck.  Dolby does not make the
circuits themselves.... they just licence the technology to tape deck
manufacturers.  But that is another story...

>  If the Dead don't want to do NYE in Oakland anymore, why don't they
>  start a new tradition and have it in the Rochester War Memorial!!!
>  I'll be the master of ceremonies.  :-)

Wow, if the dead really DO play in Boston for New Year's, it's going
to be a crazy scene! Phish is playing their NYE gig on the Northeastern
campus, following three other shows in New England... that town is going
to be nuts.
-- 
James A. Treworgy
jamie@access.digex.com
From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: BackStage Pass Query
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:54:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Nov8.183053.18893@njitgw.njit.edu> irwin@earth.njit.edu (Scott F Skiba) writes:
>
>As an aside, I thought Justin did an excellent job putting things together
>in a rather eclectic-collage from past to present (i.e Brent, Pigpen etc..)
>. Any comments are welcome along these lines.

Justin appeared in my dream the other night.  I was at a show standing in
the audience and heard someone calling his name.  On waking, I was puzzled
that he should appear in my dream, but now I think thoughts of the video
were behind this.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ashton@stolaf.edu
Subject: Wheel?
Reply-To: ashton@stolaf.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:06:42 GMT

        I've been busy and haven't been mointering the net as well as I
should.  Could somebody fill me in on the Wheel.  Thanks.
From: eroth@Apple.COM (Rico)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The dead arent deadheads...
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:00:50 GMT
Organization: Yet Another California Computer Co., Inc.


ken@venus.odetics.com writes:
->... Bill, Bob, Jerry, and Phil have attended
->EVERY Grateful Dead concert there ever was ....


Well, I know a guy who claims to have seen the dead withOUT
Garcia (yeah, I know, oxymoron).  Would have been in the
'72-'76 time frame.  Something about certain legal
difficulties, and they couldn't habeas the corpus in time for
the show.  Anybody know about this?

Rico


P.S.  Heard the original Shining Star on the radio recently,
but didn't get the artist or year.  Anybody?

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"De gustibus non disputandum est"
Which translates roughly as "Don't bother flaming anyone about
personal tastes; it's a waste of energy and bandwidth and
incredibly boring."
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From: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Joe Hack,   Al Gore,  Tipper and Frank Zappa,  et al.
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Organization: The Internet


        I find Joe Hack's contribution to our insular paradise very
distasteful and disturbing, but valuable nonetheless.  It serves as a
reminder that a very large % of Amerikans are as disturbed and ignorant as
he pretends to be.  We have all seen Deadheads that have been consumed
with the trip to the detriment to their hygiene, health, sanity and
overall purpose of life.  God knows, many of us OK types have had to walk
a very fine line between the intense magnetism of the Dead, more powerfull
and addictive than any drug, and a balanced existance.  So, in a sick way,
he brings us a little reality check.  The sad fact is, we all know in our
hearts that some poor souls cannot cope with such a powerful and consuming
passion. As the Moody Blues said, "A question of balance".  'Nuff said.
        Now to Tipper Gore: how soon we forget her generational croon of
"Rock n Roll is the devil's work".  Elvis from the waist up...
Her tireless work with the PMRC, trying to chill first amendment rights by
requiring album labels, age limits on purchases, etc, has certainly earned
her a place in the hall of shame.  I don't care how many Jerry ties she
buys Al, I don't think she ever got IT.  With all of the real problems in
the world, she found this one most in need of her attention. Go figure?
        I really do like Al Gore, even though we have several points of
disagreement.  He is far more qualified to be the president than Slick Willie.
He is intelligent, articulate, knowledgeable, and a man of outstanding
character.  Sorta like Frank Zappa.  For kix, listed to Zappa's CD
"Mothers of Invention meet the Mothers of Prevention".  This contains
excerpts of congressional testimony where Frank stands up to the PMRC.
( One of the few rock stars with the brains and the balls to do so )
If you listed carefully, you will hear Al Gore compliment Frank on his
lifetime of fine work, and say how much he has enjoyed some of it.  He is
very polite to FZ.  A little later, you will hear some rabid redneck type
slamming Gore for being so 'deferential' and polite to a pervert like
Zappa.  Great theatre.
        While on the subjuct of FZ, one thing some of my friends and I have
noticed:  after leaving a Dead show we are on cloud nine.  Turning on the
radio and listening to any other sort of MuZak actually proves painful
to the ears and mind.  One consistent exception is FZ.  He seems to be
very listenable after a show.  A question for youall in netland.  What
sounds can you tolerate right after a show?  ( GD excepted, of course )

Shutup and play yer guitar!!!
Joe Lone Wolf Gladstone>  <GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Oakland Coliseum Seat Layout
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:10:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.203335.28594@leland.Stanford.EDU> samuels@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Steve Samuels) writes:
>
>Howdy folks,
>I was wondering if anyone had the Oakland Col. seat layout (like the
>kind they have at BASStards).  Please email: samuels@psych.stanford.edu

Dead shows in Oakland are  GA (at least  they used to  be...)  ...

					reb
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: Roger Miller (1936-1992)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:48:38 GMT

> sjeck@diamondback.overload writes:

:-)

OK, can anyone help fill in some of the missing lyrics to this classic.  I
know a few but need some help.  Going from memory...

>"trailer for sale or rent
>rooms to rent just 50 cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes.

Two hours of pushing broom
Buys an 8X12, 4 bit room
>I'm a man of means by no means
>KING OF THE ROAD..."

3rd boxcar, northbound train
Destination: Bango Maine
????
I don't pay no union dues

I smoke old stogies I have found
Short, but not too big around.
I'm a man of means by no means
KING OF THE ROAD

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|  Glenn Russell                   "Some rise, some fall, some climb...     |
|  russellg@tramp.colorado.edu      To get to Weekapaug!"       :-)         | 
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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead & The Dark Side
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:55:18 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov9.155517.1566@phx.mcd.mot.com> charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff) writes:
>       (stuff on WBYGN)
>	The topic of Christians listening to the Dead recently went
>	around and around in rec.music.christian.  Once we established
>	that "Hell in a Bucket" and "Friend of the Devil" weren't
>	"satanic" songs, the conversation seemed to die out pretty
>	quickly.  Listening to the Dead is probably no worse for you
>	than listening to... oh, somebody like Neil Diamond...

A (Catholic) friend of mine (I happen to by Catholic also) from
Highschool believed that if you listened to 'Wharf Rat' once a week,
you were forgiven of your sins and you would go to heaven.  He
considered WR a very uplifting, Christian piece of music.








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From: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Subject: Bootlegs and copywright laws
Reply-To: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:01:46 GMT

        Perhaps one of the hundreds of thousands of Deadheads who also happen
to be lawyers who specialize in copyright laws could shed some light on
this.  I ( who know nothing ) always thought that to maintain ones
right to a trademark or copyright, you had to exercise due care to prevent
others from infringing on it.  This was the reason for the prohibition/
confiscation of Tshirts with any GD trademarks.  We were told that
" if we let you do it, JC Pennys can do it royalty free ".  Not to
be confused with the many local ordinances prohibiting sales of event
related material within a certain distance of the venue.  The Dead have
cut many deals ( for better or worse ) with mega-corps like Arista and
Warner Brothers.  This usually gives these corps certain rights as to
distribution and performance of the songs.  Then we come to the Mafialike
( Sorry, Italian-Americans, we all know there is no Cosa Nostra, and I like
my kneecaps just the way they are, thank you ) orginizations of BMI and
ASCAP.  Almost every composition is 'registered' thru them in such a way
as to give them some control over their distribution and performance.
        Let me give you an ugly example;  My brotherinlaw owns an
Italian restaurant, and used to feature live jazz on certain nites.
The tunes played were performed by the original composers in most cases.
( Names witheld to protect the innocent )  One night, two guys from
BMI/ASCAP show up with a demand for about 50 thousand dollars.
They said the tunes had been registered with them , and they were entitled
to a cut. EVEN THOUGH it was the original artists performing the tunes
THEMSELVES.  After some legal advice, he was forced to pay up!
Needless to say, no more jazz.
        So how does this whole scam work?  How do the Dead avoid it?
And, how they maintain rights to their works, which it seems they allow
to slip into the public domain by allowing tapers?  What recourse do they
have against JC Penny if they decide to give you a tape of a dead show
in return for a blank? like so many tapers and traders do?
        Perhaps this question can only be answered by someone high up
in the 'orginazition.  Maybe somebody with the proper friends could direct
this question to a person who can correctly answer it.  Inquiring minds
want to know.
        Who knows, the answer may be as simple as a quasi legal
" NOBODY FUCKS WITH THE DEAD "

I know I have used a lot of bandwidth to satisfy my curiosity, and beg
the indulgence of our net.community.  I hope others find the topic of
interest also, and at least make us realize what an unselfish miracle
Graham and the band have created.  It could not have been easy.

Joe Lone Wolf Gladstone>  <GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX>

PS. OK, I know I spell like s**t.  Why else would I be forced to program
for a living ?  Thank God C has so few reserved words!
From: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: a little story
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:27:18 GMT
Reply-To: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


   IJWTS that the net is getting to be pretty lame, most likely because of
the lack of GD shows, so I thought I'd post a little story of Fall Tour 1991. 
I didn't have tickets for the MSG show with Branford, so I posted YATG on the
net.  I ended up meeting someone in Fishkill, so I didn't even need a SASE to
get my tix, just an RSVP that I would meet him.  OTOH, it was a little out of
the way, but that was OK, because they were MO tix from GDTS with cool
graphics.  The show totally smoked!  They played many excellent tunes,
including ITALTLITATTC, BTW, HOTW, INAM, SOTM, TOYLL, and IAONBB.  I was
hoping for a JBG for an encore like the previous outing with Branford on NYE,
but it didn't happen.  I guess I'm JAPD.  IMHO, There was some intense MIDI
during D/S to make up for it.

   Almost two weeks later, a friend was to marry his SO in Albany, so I
figured why not head to BG to catch some shows before the wedding?  FWIW, I
think TLEO, and it was a fun wedding, and a friend even gave them tix for the
JGB show in Albany as a wedding present.  Listening to OFTV on the way there
got me totally psyched... I was GDTRFB! The first night was a really good
show, with my first IMHBTR, first VOTC, and first complete PITB.  I had
caught about 5 or 6 PITBRs before that, but never the whole thing!  BTW, TMNS
was also an excellent first set closer, IMO.  I was a little bummed about
missing LTGTR, FLAS, IAON, BIODTL, and NSB the night before, and I'm
surprised they didn't play LLR because of the heavy downpour on the way to
the show, but as they say, TANSTAAFL.  I was staying over at a friend's
place, and the next day another friend Dean, AKA DL, met us and we trucked
off to the show.  I came really close to buying a T-shirt with a SYF on it
that also said WALSTIB, but I didn't want to rip off GDM.  FTR, IMNSHO, I
thought the show that night was most excellent, topped off by a really sweet
AWBYGN!

   NLTDB :-) :-) :-)

						Jens

P.S.  What about that IKYR from '74 that was recently on the GDH?  Yowzah!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Temp extras
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:17:24 GMT

Some friends and I had crossed channels and ended up with a number of
extra GA tickets for both Compton Terrace shows. email me if you are 
interested.

-Jeff Lester
lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Grateful Dead Hour #217
Summary:  12/1/73
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:26:36 GMT


Grateful Dead Hour no. 217
Week of November 16, 1992


Part 1  11:59
                  In cue: <music>
     :00     :21  Introduction
     :21    5:25  Grateful Dead 12/1/73 Boston Music Hall
                  THEY LOVE EACH OTHER
    5:46    6:09  ME AND MY UNCLE
   11:55     :04  ID
                  Out cue: ...when the Grateful Dead Hour continues.

   11:59     :59  Music bed for local announcements
   12:58     :03  Pause

Part 2  41:14
                  In cue: And now, here are some scenes from next week's...
   13:01     :46  Introduction
   13:47    2:11  Grateful Dead 12/1/73 Boston Music Hall
                  "Clear the aisles" song
   15:58   37:56  MISSISSIPPI HALFSTEP->
                  PLAYING IN THE BAND->
                  UNCLE JOHN'S BAND->
                  PLAYING IN THE BAND
   53:54     :21  Outro
                  Out cue: and I'll meet you back here next week.

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Miserable netheads {)=+)
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:23:24 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Nov10.195945.26750@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, Steve -- The Other One
<sjeck@isi.com> says:
>
>you think that's bad, you should threaten to expose there secret
>Mailing List where they sit around and say what DICKs and DACKs

Say TOO, could you possibly enlighten us all, and let us know what exactly
a DACK is? ;-) ;-) ;-)

Joe Doheny

Ps. Don't know if this'll make it, but to all those people sitting in my
    mailbox (since Friday) hopefully I'll get a chance to return your notes
    on Thursday.  (thats when the guy I know who can fix this, will come
    back).
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: What A WOnderful WOrld
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:30:48 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov10.050440.5843@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>,
Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com> writes:
>
>Louis Armstrong had a hit with this song in 1968.
>

i find it incredibly ironic, and even amusing, that this was posted
twice, once before the 10 or so hack posts and once after it.

isn't life funny :)

what a wonderful world, indeed

lara
                  \@/\@/\@/\@/\@/\@/
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Seeking Housemate in Palo Alto
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 23:38:34 GMT


Hi,

Well, one of the best roommates I've had has the nerve
to move back to SoCal, so I need a housemate. And maybe
*you* can prove to be even a better one than she is!

It's a house in Palo Alto, about 8 blocks from downtown,
close to Stanford, etc. etc. Rent is 500 bucks apiece plus
utilities. House has 2 bedrooms, one bath, washer, dryer.
Nice house, fairly small but with hardwood floors and a nice
backyard. I'm pretty easy to get along with, especially if you
are.

The landlord, believe it or not, is the guy you see at Dead
shows dressed in a bear outfit with flashing lights all over
it and holding a trippy spinning thing with flashing lights.
Rob is about as good a landlord as one might hope for as far as
not getting on your case and stuff. He has a bunch of houses in
PA, all named after Dead songs, and there's kind of a hippyish
social scene you can get involved with if you want to. My house,
by the way, is Deal, for me it's a pretty good one.

Room is available 12/1. E-mail is OK, but leaving a message
at 415-323-2401 is better. Short term is also a possibility.

Thanks.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Re:    GD Hour in Tempe area!!!!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:14:01 GMT

In article <92315.085257AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Hey now,
>
>I don't think I was dreaming. Last night from 11 - 12 on station 101.5
>(Tempe/Phoenix area), the Deadhead Hour was broadcast. Is this a
>permanent deal (I HOPE SO!!!)? 

Yes, it's real and it's permanent (knock wood)!

KZON 101.5 will air the GD Hour every Monday night at 11pm.
Give 'em a call and let 'em know you appreciate it!

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Kolar)
Subject: Tickets
Summary: Denver Tickets for sale
Keywords: tickets, mcnichols
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:23:11 GMT

Hey now, here is a listing of places to contact for Denver tickets. The info
was obtained from the Sunday (Nov 8) Denver Post:

	ALL CITIES GRATEFUL DEAD	1-800-367-8499 Cost: $55.00

	Grateful Dead Tickets, Good Seats (7) 1-303-786-2671

	Grateful Dead 12/2-12/3 	1-800-962-6275

I have no idea as to the validity of this information. I am just posting
what I read in the Denver Post today. Best of luck!

-cassidy

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Kolar)
Subject: McNichols Trades. updated info
Summary: Taper tickets for trade
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:18:24 GMT

Hi, sorry but it seems I misposted last night about the trade offer. Here is the
new info:

	Have:
		1 taper seat for dec 2. row 5 seat 15 (5th row behind board)
		1 taper seat for dec 3. row 5 seat 15 (5th row behind board)

	Want:
		1 pair for each night, anywhere, together prefered.
		Will trade the taper seat for one of the pair even up.
		Will pay face value for the other seat. I can only do
		this trade as in the deal above, I can not part with
		the taper seat for an even swap, as its my bargining
		tool. 
	
	If anyone is interested, please reply via email.

p.s. These are going to be smokin' shows!

-Cassidy
From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: the Wheel
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:05:01 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Nov11.230321.22076@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
>
>
>I don't care about private mailing lists. I do care
>about gossip behind people's backs. It hurts people
>and causes people to form all kinds of opinions.

Not only that, it's cowardly.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dsle@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.lerner)
Subject: More Kantner things I Heard
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:15:46 GMT



Some more things came to mind that I left out of the other article yesterday.


1. Paul told me that Sunfighter is out on CD, RCA France. Do we have any
   netheads in France who can help us get some copies? 

2. A cartoon version of Alice in Wonderland is coming out soon with Airplane
   people doing some of the voices. Paul is in it and Grace does the voice for
   Alice (Go Ask Alice). The mushroom scene must be special.

3. Fillmore West may be back in swing, depending on the earthquake damage.

4. If there is a Bill Graham memorial concert this year, Paul will play.



Thought you'd like to know.


Dave
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Brian S. Zaff" <BZAFF@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil>
Subject: Happy Birthday Neil...
Reply-To: BZAFF@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:54:12 GMT

Neil is 47 years Young today...Happy Birthday!

-brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead