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From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
Subject: Re: Gas Taxes R Us
Summary: Elephants and Couches, oh my
Organization: Bike to work, even in the rain :-(
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:43:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.142151.13484@wraxall.inmos.co.uk> cath@dyrham.inmos.co.uk (Catherine Barnaby) writes:
>Hmm. it's a sad world of bikes and British Rail....

>After all, the only
>consistent information I got from BR was that there was 
>apparently no limit on the size or weight of luggage...
>unless of course it was a bicycle!
>
>(For the UK-ites, there was a review/article in New Cyclist about
>taking bike-like objects on a train... was it a "protest" sort
>of mission??)

Le Monde a Bicyclette, the Montreal bicycle advocacy group, were pioneers
in this field.  With painstaking research, they discovered that although
bicycles were not permitted in the Montreal subway, stepladders, couches,
giant stuffed elephants with a bicycle stuffed inside, and even a wooden
sculpture of a bicycle (full size) were permitted.  There's a wonderful
shot of them posing at a subway station with a collection of all the
bicycle-sized and bigger-than-bicycle-sized things they had successfully
traveled with in the subway.

The subway (come to think of it, it's called a Metro over there) authorities
eventually relented, and now there is legitimate bicycle access.  Too bad
BritRail (and Amtrak, VIA rail, etc) haven't seen the light yet...
-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Table of Grades of Selected Roads in the Santa Cruz Mtns
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:38:14 GMT

Bruce Hildenbrand writes:

> What the post fails to mention is that the numbers reported here
> represent the grade for a short SECTION of road and not the AVERAGE
> grade.  Because of this, I find this table very misleading and I think,
> if interpreted incorrectly(which will most likely happen, because no
> real clear explanation was given for the length over which the measurements
> apply) it will lead to people getting a false impression as to the
> average gradient of the ascents in the Bay Area.

after a list of roads and grades of which the following is typical:

Los Trancos Road (straightaway)                                 18.5
Montebello Road (lower at start)                                10-11
Montebello Road (2nd right S turn)                              12
Montebello Road (1/4 mile beyond Pichetti Winery)               15-17
Redwood Gulch Road (after first right bend)                     14-18.5
Bohlman Road (Saratoga)                                         10-13
                                                                (20 some turns)

I don't see how much more specific one can get about the location of a
measurement on a road than this.  Most of these give the location within
a few yards except those with a range and these are pretty accurate in
the range.  Of course an average gradient is far less representative
since it only shows that there is an altitude change.  Knowing nothing
about a road except its length and endpoints is enough to prove that
point.  For instance the average gradient between SF and NY is about
zero, regardless of the route taken.

These gradients were published with specific intent to let riders know
how steep the specific sections of road are because they so often enter
conversations when describing rides.  I think most riders will recognize
the value of this information and draw no further conclusions from it.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: HG Chain vs. Sedis ATB
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.160137.15423@oakhill.sps.mot.com> gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:
>That is correct!  The Shimano literature that comes with the HG chains is very
>explicit about NOT removing the black pin.  (Don't really know why, though!) 

The reason is simple enough.  The black pin has a tapered edge so that it is
larger than the hole in the plate. This is what causes the bending of the side
plate in most cases.  It also permentately deforms the sideplate when it is
inserted.  This means that removing it and trying to reinsert will result in
a looser sloppy fit with not much strength against a side load (shift).
  Of course the who problem is that the linkage pins have much less overhang
than the older 6 speed chains so if they are not centered properly it is very
easy to pull the sideplate off the pin.  All in all I much prefer the chain
that they used in the Gossimer.  It is two (wire) cables with links going
across.  Apparently durability is a problem but there are no links to push out
and you can't break the chain that easily.  Of course we could all go over
to shaft drive and then be flooded with lots of drivel about how people
feel the rotational inertia makes the back end sink when they launch at a
TT.
  - Eric
From: christie@porgy.dfci.harvard.edu (Linda A. Christie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:09:32 GMT
Organization: Women Wielding Wrenches, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: porgy.dfci.harvard.edu

In article <9209040141.AA15426@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>
>My younger son
>liked to disassemble and assemble a spare Sturmey Archer 3-speed when he
>was in kindergarten in contrast to his brother who didn't even look at
>this sort of thing other than as a curiosity.  When I was a child, others
>thought this was odd, and so I had no one with whom to share my enthusiasm
>about the mechanisms I discovered.  My older brother wasn't interested
>nor were the younger two as they grew older.
>
>So I think that with the relatively low number of truly skilled mechanical
>men it is not hard for me to understand that women, who are in many ways
>substantially different from men, are not mechanically inclined.  

May I suggest that had there been sisters or daughters in your family
you might have drawn a slightly different conclusion.  Apparently there
are no women in your family (what a shame) but had there been, you might
have come across one or two with the innate mechanical ability you
describe as being a male trait.  

None of my three brothers displayed any interest or ability in 
carpentry or mechanics.  That's why they always would come to me
when they needed anything fixed or assembled.
Looks like I alone received the mechanically dominant gene from
my father who can do anything.

I agree it's no shame to be mechanically inept (we all have our own
unique strong points and weak ones) but to attribute any given one to
one sex or the other is rather limiting, don't you think?
I concede that's not a compelling argument to prove the hypothesis
that women are just as likely (or unlikely) to possess certain
abilities, but I suggest your experience is not broad enough to conclude
the converse.

Linda Christie, mechanically competent and born that way?

christie@jimmy.harvard.edu
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Columbus SLX Tags
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:13:02 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I just purchased a frame from Palo Alto Bicycles.  It is a very nice Cloumbus
SLX tubing built by Salso.  There is only one problem, it doesn't have the
Columbus SLX Tags on the seat tube frame or the forks.  When I purchased the
frame, Palo Alto told me that they will get the tags.  I called them a few
days later that Columbus SLX tags are impossible to get.  Columbus only sends
one set complete with the bicycle.  I questioned why wern't they on the frame
in the first place???  They're reply was that the frame was repainted, and they
could get me a remake tag that says Columbus SLX, but not the original tag.
They also said that they can give me my money back, if I wanted.  I'm kind of
in a bind, I really like the frame, but I'm also a little ticked off that they
cannot not supply an original SLX tag.  I can see the control on tags and frame
materials, if tags were easily available, anybody could stick them on any frame
but what right is right, the honest will have to suffer.  I know the tag won't
make the bike go any faster, but I'm worried maybe down the line I may want to
sell.  If I told the buyer that it is a SLX frame bike, there might be some
conflict.  On the other hand it may be good that there is no tag, to make it
less desireable for hacksaw and freon adicts.  After all this, does anybody
know where I can get original Columbus SLX Tags, I have the receits for proof!

                                                 Tom
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rpoldrac@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Russ Poldrack)
Subject: Tange Shockblades: How good are they?
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:48:33 GMT

These suspension forks are much cheaper and somewhat lighter than
others such as Manitou or RockShox.  I've heard though that they are a
bit flexy.  Any opinions?

Russ 
rpoldrac@psych.uiuc.edu
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do it?
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:23:40 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>"People who wear makeup when they are exercising look like boneheads."

And if people don't wear helmets when they crash, you can look at 
their headbones!

(As for makeup and exercise, a female weightlifter once explained to 
me how to spot the differences between a woman athlete and an aerobics 
tart trying to meet guys.  These were mostly clothing issues and were
apparently taken quite strongly and judgmentally in the weight room.  
Is there a male equivalent?)

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: Campy dt shifter problem
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:51:19 GMT

From article <c1fn_!=.royg@netcom.com>, by royg@netcom.com (Roy H. Gordon):
> A friend on mine has a pair of 15 year old Campy downtube shifters, probably
> Neuvo Record.  They no longer hold.  Sometimes they don't just slip to
> the next higher gear, but go to the smallest cog.  As you might imagine
> my friend is usually not appreciative of these labor saving qualities.
> 
> He has taken apart and regreased components in varying permutations,
> from no grease at all to grease everything, but nothing seems to make
> any difference.
> 
> One peculiarity is that the only way he can keep the largest cog engaged is
> to really re-tighten the wing nut after every shift!  When he now
> (intentionally) shifts to a smaller cog, obviously the action is very stiff.

Have you tried Loctite?  The problem seem to be less in the shifter than in
the mounting bolt; Loctite should fix that.

Dave


Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:21888 rec.bicycles.soc:24
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Pickup Truck Gets Revenge in a Civilized Fashion
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:50:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug27.212021.5444@sol.UVic.CA> rwilson@sol.UVic.CA (Rich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.150025.5763@wuecl.wustl.edu> kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland) writes:
>>
>>Now, there is one "biker's-rule-of-the-road" I hold to pretty dearly.
>>That is: never make drivers pass you (again).  This rule is for both
>>safety and politeness.  First off, it is always dangerous for
>
>I agree wholeheartedly!  Unless there is a wide shoulder, and a long line of
>rush hour traffic, I stay in the line with the cars.  Another advantage to

Well, in heavy traffic I like to pass and repass all of those cars who
want to blast by you at 40 mph to get to the next light.


It may peeve some of the drivers, but others it shows that all of the gas
they're burning is to no avail. :-) I have heard drivers talking about
some guy along a certain street that rides his bike faster then they
can drive. They were impressed (so was I -- it was me.)
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WOLRD TRACK - 5km Pro pursuit; Pro sprint; Boardman world record
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:03:47 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


"It would be better if Wallace and his Lotus was up against
McCarthy and a Zipp -- then we would see some action." --Thomas H. Kunich

Mike McCarthy took the World Pro 5km Pursuit title last night in Valencia,
beating Shaun Wallace and proving that the Lotus Sport bike is not
invincible (for the benefit of the British tabloid press).

The UCI ratified yesterday the time Chris Boardman set in the 2nd round
of the 4km individual pursuit in Barcelona - 4:24.496 - as a world
record.

5km PURSUIT- Semi-finals

M. McCarthy (US) 5:47.276 bt F. Moreau (Fr) 5:48.176
S. Wallace (GB) 5:46.517 bt A. Kasputis (Lith) 5:46.869

Final

McCarthy 5:45.076 bt Wallace 5:46.807
Kasputis took bronze as fastest losing semi-finalist.

PRO SPRINT - Semi-finals

M. Huebner (Ger) bt F. Cobas (Fr) 2-0
F. Magne (Fr) bt E. Shoefs (Bel) 2-0

Final

Huebner bt Magne 2-0
Shoefs bt Colas 2-0 (Bronze medal)

STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"Eat what you catch or put it back.  And don't go wasting
   a lot of words when a simple 'yup' will do"  -mid-west fishing ethic
From: Dave Snyder <davesnyder@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:58 PDT
Subject: Re: Damn REDNECK nailed me in Woodside!
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug28.180926.22969@leland.st:1257510588:cdp:1449700039:000:145
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!davesnyder    Aug 29 21:58:00 1992


Let's put comments like these in rec.bicycles.soc(iopaths) aka rednecks.

that conference is pretty pitfully bare, and needs submissions.

/dave
From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Traffic ticket
Date: 4 Sep 1992 02:44:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi all.  I'm from New York City, the land of crazed cyclists
as well as motorists.  Anyone out there get a traffic ticket like
I just did.  I guess I was the only cyclist wary enough of
pedestrians and going slow enough for the cop to get me.

-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation
From: cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher L. Morrow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: a new Creakondale
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:33:52 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Excerpts from netnews.rec.bicycles: 24-Aug-92 a new Creakondale R.
Wagner@uxa.cso.uiuc.e (610)


> I've had my 'Dale MTB for over a year now (it replaced a stolen MTB) and just
> last week put a sealed cartridge BB in it.  Low and behold it now creaks.
> It isn't just under pressure, it creaks all the time (on road, up hill, single
> track) unless I'm not pedalling.  Before, when this subject came up, I
> basically
> ignored it because I didn't have that problem.  Now that it's hit home, can
> somebody send me the solution/prevention or as close as current technology can
> get.  Thanks.


> Ride on, 
> Raydude.


From some one that has had this problem, tried to solve it and failed,
the bike store will tell you to teflon tape the cups of the BB, then
after that doesn't work they will suggest  Locktite on the threads, then
after that they will suggest Epoxy, none of these will work.  After
being befuddled the store will call cannondale who will first have you
locktite your Derailleur hanger to the bike, then the derailleur to the
hanger, then after all of these don't work, you might get lucky and get
a new frame, I did.  This also did not solve the problem.

I think that the sealed cartridge bottom brackets creak (you do have a
Shitmano one right??) because the non drive side crank is plastic, no
matter what shitmano says, the plastic will deform under load and this
deformity will allow the BB cartridge to shift in the cups, causeing the
creaking.  I suggest that you either locktite the cup to the cartridsge
or epoxy it.  the cartidge will still be able to be removed if you
unscrew it because the aluminum cup will come loose from the body of the
BB.  I hope this helps,!!


DEATH TO CREAKONDALE!!!

Chris Morrow
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:21835 rec.bicycles.tech:64
From: dfarrow@spam.ua.oz (Duncan Farrow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:54:20 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

This chap Ed writes....
>>>deformation. Since rolling resistance on a hard surface is the hysteresis 
>>of the deformed tire, then the smaller tire will have lower RR, since it
>>>deforms less.  Invite these salesguys to explain how a tire holds you
>>>Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
>>
And someone asks...
>>	Well, then tell me this.  If I run a 19mm tire at 120 psi
>>and a 28mm tire at 120psi, which will have less rolling resistance?

It seems to me that the answer is that the rolling resistence depends
(as mentioned above) on the hysterisis of deforming rubber. For really thin
tires, most of the deformation of the tire/tube is in compressing the air 
which is a nearly elastic action - you do not loose any energy. For a thicker
tire, most of the deformation occurs in the deformation of the tire rubber 
- you loose some energy.  This is why pumping up a thick tire will not 
necessarily reduce your rolling resistance very much - a thick tire at 
infinite pressure (so that there is no compression of the air) will have 
a higher rolling resistance than a thin tire at infinite pressure. In the
limit where the tire has zero thickness, there will be no deformation
of the tire at all and hence no rolling resistance.

At least that's my theory.

Duncan.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: How do you protect a bike from the elements?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:22:59 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

msp2@hera.uucp (22321-seda-poulin) writes:
> My employer used to provide a bike rack inside the parking garage.
> Because of construction, that bike rack is being moved from its
> indoor location to an outside location.  Because the "elements"
> (rain, sun, snow) can "age" a bike quickly, I am trying to find
> a way to protect my bike if I have to park it outside.  
> If you commute to work by bike and have to park it outside,
> I would like to find out what people do to protect it.
> Any ideas?


You can buy an inexpensive, fitted  vinyl plastic cover for your bike. I
bought one for a cross-country tour. It does a good job of covering the
bike and has snaps along the bottom to hold it in place. I remeber it
being under $20.

                                                            Arnie
 
-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@hplsdvt
Telnet 590-5642
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: Bar-cons with Deore DX?
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 22:16:48 CST

Hello, I would like to know if anyone out there has tried Shimano 600 bar-con
shifters (7 sp) with Deore DX deraillers.  I want to put a road bar on my mtn-
bike and use barcon shifters on them, with Diacompe levers.  With this work?
(yes, my DX cassett is HG)  Will the Diacompe levers work well with the DX brak
es?  Also, does anyone know where I can get a 1 1/8 inch stem with a steep rise
angle without ordering a custom one?  I need a new stem because if I use my
Tioga t-bone with the sakae bar, the drops will be far too low and to far forwa
rd.  Any help is welcome.  Thanks
Conrad ----------------
ps - one more thing. My bike is a Giant ATX 770, with the cables being routed
on the top tube.  could this be a problem with the barcon cable stops?????
From: gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Hughes)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:35:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Uni-Discs?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

I've had a Uni-Disk for about a year.

Good points:
	Light	180 grams.
	Cheap   $35-$45
	Seems to work as expected.
	Quiet, doesn't sound like a 55 gallon drum rolling down the road.

Bad points.
	Wrinkes with temperature decrease or moisture.
	Makes it a pain to inflate your tire.
	Wears where it contacts spokes.

I don't use it for everyday rides, but it's good for the odd TT.

Greg Hughes.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blp@cypress.com (Bruce Prickett/PROM)
Subject: Re: Routes from Fremont to Santa Clara
Summary: 237 ain't so bad
Keywords: Fremont, Santa Clara
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:41:59 GMT

ken@claris.com (Ken Walter) asks:

>I commute by car from northern Fremont (above Dunbarton Bridge) to
>a place off Patrick Henry Drive in Santa Clara (near Great America).

>I'd like to ride my bike to work once in awhile.  The problem is that
>to get from Milpitas to Great America Parkway it seems necessary to
>take 237, or if I go over the Dunbarton I have to go all the way up
>to Menlo Park to avoid East Palo Alto, turning my 19 mile car
>commute to a 30 mile bike commute.

>Anybody know of a way to get here on bicycle that avoids East Palo Alto
>and 237?


I ride from Fremont to 237 & N. 1st st. in San Jose at least twice a week,
using Hwy 237 from Abell to Zanker. I don't feel that it is a bad way to go,
and I see lots of other people doing it. The main issue is feeling OK about
crossing 880 on 237. Usually between 7:00 and 8:00 am the westbound traffic
is so slow that it is easy to get over 880 and onto 237. Drivers have always
been cooperative about letting me cross the ramp from 880 to the shoulder
on 237. Going home eastbound is OK too, though by the traffic is a little
more unpredictable. I don't know about 237 past N. 1st street, but you might
be able to take the light-rail bridge on Tasman to get over to Great America.

If you absolutely don't want to take 237, then you could ride down to the
Montague expressway and then go west BUT: I used to ride that way from
San Jose, and I felt more threatened by traffic there than I do on 237!
The traffic moves faster over the 880 overpass, and it is more difficult
(in my opinion) to get across the traffic lanes.

I'll get in touch by e-mail so we can discuss this further.

	Bruce Prickett
	blp@cypress.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:21:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.075236.23841@cs.hw.ac.uk>, sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming) writes:
> 
> "In 1953, France's Jean Robic, who won the race in 1947,
> was given a feeding bottle full of lead at the top of the
> Tourmalet pass to make him descend faster."

It should also be noted that Jean Robic probably needed the
additional weight more than anyone else since he was (I believe)
the smallest rider to ever win the Tour de France.

Ciao,
-- 
Russell Corfman
AG Communication Systems; Phoenix, AZ
UUCP: ...!{ncar!noao!enuucp | att}!gtephx!corfmanr
Internet: gtephx!corfmanr@enuucp.eas.asu.edu
(602) 581-4403


From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:03:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA