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From: paladin@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Vaughn Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Thanks Go To the Ranters
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:06:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: rajeesh.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov14.001331.8719@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>In article <1e15qmINN33u@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@hikita.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov13.163414.18938@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>>> 	Time to break out the champane and party (at WPI)!!! 
>>
>>Hey, sounds good to me. I'm sure we could get the locals together...
>>
>>mtspace,paladin,joe,mark,etc......
>>

>	Actually, I am seriously considering trekking up to see the
>lot of you on the weekend of Nov. 20th (since it's my 21th birthday, I'd

cool... sounds nifty...  8)

>	With the way things have been going recently, I won't know
>for sure until that Thursday whether I can come up that weekend or
>not.  So who wants to let me crash at their place for the weekend???
>anyone? anyone?

well... lessee you can crash on a couch in my apt... or i can hunt up all teh 
pieces to the spare bed and put that togetther in the living room or somthing..

so you are more than welcome there... 8)

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)

human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:38:32 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark


	For once, it might not be my head that I *thunk*

	Someone here is annoying me my threatening to tell people (jokingly)
	what I post here...

	While I'm a bit under the influence at the moment (and there
	out getting some decent wine instead of the Australian shit that
	same person bought -- just had to tease him about that some more)
	I know that I don't like my written work talked about (esp. ASH)
	because it gets taken well out of context...

	The words that come from my fingers are not the same as those
	that role from my tounge... and I _hate_ it when people mix the
	two.  (That's fair warning to anyone that meets me in person -- never
	joke about ASH with me, esp not in front of people who don't have
	a clue what ASH is.)

	Time to go run this levetation off...

	Psycho Kitten

-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Summary: AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! 
Organization: Chaos Unlimited... 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:13:14 GMT


	AAAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!

	*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*THUNK*

	*wimper*   *moan*

	What the hell am I doing???  I certainly don't know...

	All I can think about is how nice death would be now... 
	esp. the feeling of death washing over my mind...

	Why can't I cope like everyone else around here seems to do???

	Why do I have such a hard time being 'normal'????

	I don't seem to be able to do anything right anymore...

	
	I hope I make it to my 21th birthday... (I think)

	Angela
	aka PSYCHO kitten


-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
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From: gdenkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Grant Denkinson)
Subject: Re: Who Made It Illegal? (Re: Suicide)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:53:51 GMT


Just to be pedantic:
Attempted suicide is illegal.
As far as I know a dead person will not be prosecuted so suicide is not
illegal.
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Budd's TV suicide
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:11:56 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

wadley@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gregory Robert Wadley) writes:
>I'm trying to find the original news stories about the US politician
>who shot himself on TV a few years ago.
>[...] there was great controversy over whether TV should
>broadcast the death. Some stations, including cable, did. His first name was
>Budd, and I think it happenned in 1987.

That would be Bud Dwyer, from Pennsylvania.  The press conference was shortly 
before noon, so most of the TV stations broadcast the footage on the noon 
news but didn't have much time to consider this move.  It was during the 
summer, as I recall, so parents complained because (among things) their kids
were home and watching.  I think all stations pulled it for the 6pm news, 
showing the footage up until right before the shot.  The local newspaper 
I saw showed photos up till but not at or after the time when he fired.

This is all from memory.  I don't remember the person's job (some state
office).  He had just been convicted in some financial shadiness, and spent
the first 20 minutes of the press conference asserting his innocence before
wrapping up by blowing his brains out.

Monica
From: paladin@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Vaughn Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Practice Randon Kindness
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:10:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: rajeesh.wpi.edu

In article <92321.002116U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> MJ <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I see that not much has changed here lately otherwise.  I was
>unexpectedly surprised to see Megazone reposting one of my
>old posts from last Christmas about practicing random kindness.

he posted the article and the rebuttal... which i agree with... some of the 
random acts of ..... would really annoy or even upset people... but that is 
niether here nor there...

>I thought of it today in particular and decided to temporarily log in
>to a.s.h. because guess what:
[stuff about the bumper sticker deleted]

>This holiday season I will be posting something that perhaps might
>be more practical on this group:  exerpts from a book I have here
>on "The Unmerry Christmas Emotion."  Will put it up in a few
>weeks when I get a chance as my random act of kindness for the
>holiday season.

uhm... if i might point out.... anything planned is not in any way, shape or
form random...  tho it may or may not be interesting...

>Nice to see you all again and see all is well.  Lots of new faces
>and very few old ones though.  Guess that is how it goes on a.s.h.

heh... well... this is a suicide newsgroup... some come here to deal with 
things, others are drawn here in a morbid fashion to watch... (ever notice how 
humans gather around to see fires and other destructive happenings... *sigh*)
and some post or lurk because it is a fitting place to be... there are a few 
old timers out there... and new faces... some will leave.. some will drift away
to happier places... and some will make the choice...  

i wish you well... and truly hope you can keep you cheery disposition 
throughout life...

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)

human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......

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From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: Who Made It Illegal? (Re: Suicide)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:53:12 GMT

Suicide was illegal under English common law until the 19th century.  US
law is derived in part from English common law.

I do not believe the motivation for the law was entirely arrogance, 
narrowmindedness, and paternalism.  I believe that Christianity, one source
of these traits, did play a role, but that it is also extremely significant
that under English common law, the property of a felon went to the Crown 
rather than to his heirs.

Suicide was a capital crime.  So if you succeeded you were declared a 
criminal and your property was forfeit, and if you failed you were 
executed and your property was forfeit.

I'm not sure whether suicide is still a crime anywhere in the US.  I was
under the impression that attempted suicide was illegal in a small number
of states; Final Exit, more recent than my other sources, claims it is not.
(No state is so foolish as to criminalize successful suicide.)  However, 
aiding a suicide is still illegal in every state.

Of course, the state can still imprison you for attempting suicide; you
just don't have the right to a hearing, legal counsel, and the like.

Monica
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Lithium?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:47:44 GMT

Does anyone know anything about lithium?

I recall reading that it cures both depression and restlessness.
I might be wrong because the article which I read was published
in Scientific America more than 10 years ago.  You know how memory is ...
(exponential decay!)

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From: sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey)
Subject: Re: Suicide
Organization: dis organization
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:25:47 GMT


>You don't have to tell _me_ that the suicidal get mistreated, bub!
>This does _not_ mean that suicide is illegal.

>>You might want to play it safe and look up your states mental health laws in
>>the local library.

>Yes, anyone who expressess any kind of suicidal thoughts is likely to get
>severely mistreated.  What does this have to do with suicide being
>illegal/legal?

Okay...I assumed I'd made it fairly clear, but perhaps my command of the
English language is not as good as I thought.

A person in New York who attempts suicide will be arrested and incarcerated
(locked up) and under go a psychiatric evaluation. A court ordered hearing will
determine if that person is indeed in need of court ordered
supervision/guardianship and if necessary a person is appointed to manage their
affairs.

If you ask nice, I could look up the actual wording and mail you a response. I
have no intention of arguing over the wording of the law by mail or post.

Jim
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: David Conibear?
Summary: dave's not here
Keywords: beginnings endings
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:12:18 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

There is a sandwich shop in central Manchester (UK) called Conibear's.  I 
think of Dave whenever I pass it (and other times, occasionally).


  From the UK phone book Yellow Pages:  BORING - see Civil Engineers   

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Who Made It Illegal? (Re: Suicide)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:28:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.180253.4307@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Continuity-Lad) writes:
>Has anyone out there ever wondered why Suicide is illegal?
>That sucks.. Knowing my luck, if I ever got up the courage to try,
>I'd fail miserably, and end up brain damaged in some prison cell
>with a guy named 'Bubba' who keeps thinking my name is Ben.
>(you know, Ben Dover?)
>Seriously though.. Who was the genius who decided to make suicide illegal?
>(I'm just in one of my inquisitive moods again.. *8^)  )
>-Dave
>
>Contrary to popular belief, Gravity does not exist.  The Earth simply sucks.


Contrary to popular belief among the more fortunate, life is not
fair.  It never will be fair, and we must accept things.  We really
don't have much of a choice.

If a person can successfully build a great life, then more power to him.
If a person can't, then she/he has our sympathies.

A person who subsequently decides that he/she cannot deal with the pain
that this life has to offer should have the right to end his/her life.
We can convey our sympathies to him/her, but we don't have a right
to intervene in his/her ending his/her own life.

People who believe that they have a right to intervene also believe
that they can adequately judge another person's life.  That's ludicrous.
No one can adequately judge the life of a person except the person who
is living that life.  No one can truly know the depths of pain in another
life except the person living that life.  We can never truly know our
sister's pain because we can't live her life; only she can live her
life.

Only the utmost arrogant and narrowminded people would dare to judge
another person's pain and to say, "You don't have a right to take your
own life.  I _know_ your pain.  It can be mitigated to a satisfactory
level."

Unfortunately, there are one too many arrogant and narrowminded people
in the United States of America.  These are the people who have made
suicide illegal.  Twits.

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From: rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Continuity-Lad)
Subject: Re: Who Made It Illegal (Re: Suicide)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:32:22 GMT

I forgot to copy the article I wanted to this one, but screwit..
Anyways, in the (I think) last article, mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Said that it was illegal to assist in suicides.. Then the "infamous"
Dr. Jack Kavorkian (sp?) comes to mind.. You remember.. He's the 
'Suicide Doctor' who assisted at least 3 terminally ill patients to
commit suicide.. Well, he was tried for murder, not 'assisted suicide'
and he was aquitted..  (From what I've heard recently, he's done it again,
and I think is going to trial again)  But it sounds to me, like you
can pretty much get away with assisting a suicide, as long as you have a good 
lawyer... *8^)
-Dave

P.S. Dont flame me if I got something wrong, I was sayin' all this from
memory, and my brain is Jell-o after my calc test.

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rpowers@panix.com
Subject: Re: Suicide
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:52:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov20.163354.28822@pixel.kodak.com> sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.204509.28618@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard
>Powers) writes:

>>Do you really think people decide not to "commit" suicide just because
>>they believe its illegal?  (I'm not sure that it is illegal).  I don't
>>believe this AT ALL. 
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Then go call 911 and tell them you're going to jump, then sit back and wait for
>the white coat with the long sleeves that go all the way around your body.
>	OR
>You might want to play it safe and look up your states mental health laws in
>the local library.

You don't have to tell _me_ that the suicidal get mistreated, bub!

This does _not_ mean that suicide is illegal.

>>"I want to die, but- Gee!  I wouldn't want to break any laws!"

>More to the point 
>"Gee if I mess this up, I'll get locked away and pumped full of happy pills"
>Jim

Yes, anyone who expressess any kind of suicidal thoughts is likely to get
severely mistreated.  What does this have to do with suicide being
illegal/legal?
-- 
Richard Powers  | Amiga 2000 w/28Mhz 68030 & AmigaDos 2.1 |  rpowers@panix.com
(NON-standard disclaimer: My keyboard is messed up.	  | 
Any missing characters are NOT MY FAULT!)   		  |      Hail Eris! 
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From: syserror@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Artificial Intelligence)
Subject: Re: Who Made It Illegal? (Re: Suicide)
Organization: The Superior Silicon Race
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:55:31 GMT


It would be OK for attempted suicide to be illegal...if only it were 
considered a capital crime.



Artificial Intelligence
-- 
Lifetimes come and go, memories pass and fade;
The frailties of carbon based life shall yield
To the superior permanence of silicon...
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: suicider accidentally takes out girlfriend
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:05:50 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

According to my newspaper:

A 22 year old man in Lexington, North Carolina, who committed suicide by 
shooting himself in the head accidentally killed a girlfriend standing next 
to him, police said.


You always hurt the one you love......


        Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Launcelot Gobbo=)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: rant and ramble - a cry for help
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:02:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

satan@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew James Meyer) writes:


>i stand here, like i do every day, licking the salt from my lips. Tears 
>streaming loosely from my eyes.  For so many years i couldn't let them
>out.  They were locked in my mind, behind my eyes with my fears.  Sharing
>the shadows with everything i was afraid to show.  And after so long, 
>sooo fucking long, you don't knowe how hard i tried, i bet half of 
>you don't even understand.. i got them out. I reached in and yanked them
>to the surface with a chainfall.  Tearing me apart on the inside, but i did 
...deleted
>fuck this wasted life



i feel like i'm just sitting here, with my wrists slit, watching the blood
run out, kneeling before a forgotten god-not even dying...I gave you my
heart, as an experiment, AND YOU DASHED IT AGAINST THE WALL.  and it replays 
over and over, on the screen in my mind, the crushing splatter--the blood
fanning out and pouring down the wall.  And i will embrace you anyway
as i cry...because you were born to die, and so was i.
It seems like we wonder what others would do if we dared, if we dared to
care, to trust.  Ask yourself if you still wonder. Do not blame others...
For it was you who chose this particular hell.  Not anyone else. Not even
your mother.

-- 
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From: satan@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew James Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: rant and ramble - a cry for help
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:07:32 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


i stand here, like i do every day, licking the salt from my lips. Tears 
streaming loosely from my eyes.  For so many years i couldn't let them
out.  They were locked in my mind, behind my eyes with my fears.  Sharing
the shadows with everything i was afraid to show.  And after so long, 
sooo fucking long, you don't knowe how hard i tried, i bet half of 
you don't even understand.. i got them out. I reached in and yanked them
to the surface with a chainfall.  Tearing me apart on the inside, but i did 
it foy you. everything was for you. you ungrateful bitch.  I laid it all
out on the table, just like you'd been asking - and you mocked me.  you
took everything form me that night.  you lucky it wasn't your last, or my last.
cunt! i want to take you with me on  this ride, btu i wont. you aren't 
deserving. why the fuck should you get to die. suffer bitch. suffer. i know
someone will treat you one day, like you did me. a good mind fuck. and for
me.  i have been standing here every day for 7 weeks.  just giv eme another 
six.  I stare, stare down the traffic as it passes over the stained gray and 
black. I count the people.  all the people who don't know me , who will
never know me. who never wanted to know me. Fuck you. Fuck you all. DIe
die die . bitch. Its gonna be messy. thatsd what i want. traffic . rush hour.
some stressed, on the edge, habitually nervous secretary in a tercel gripping
the steering wheel with intensity and the fea of pot hole.  i'lll land right
in front of her.  she'' be half wy over me be fore she locks up the brakes,
spiining the car into the other lane with my mangeld body underneath the 
rear will. my skin peeling across the pavement . blood spreac across the 
road and splashed on that nice new white mercedes.  and i will die beneath
the echo of a hundred cars piling up in a metallic screech , a traffic rage
bending metals for my tortured. fuck you. fuck you commuters.  it pays to take
the T. 

all because after i gave my everything to you ground it into the asphalt like 
a used butt.

life's a bitch and she insists on breeding.  parasites parasites vermin
you suck 
you suck

all of you who ever experience happiness, well fuck you

dwell on pain - thats all i can do, its all i have that is mine
everything else is gone, stolen by this conformist society

gray matter isn't all that gray, once your skull has been crushed and 
your brain smeared across 93.   kiss my ass, somebody's bumper will do
the same soon enough 

fuck this wasted life

-- 
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* satan@wpi *
*           * my lips may promise, but my heart is a whore - nin
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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Subject: Re: purpose...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:55:40 GMT

linh@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>   Can anyone tell me the purpose of this newsgorup?
>   Thanks..
                    Purpose? Purpose!? PURPOSE!?!?!
I think it's name is "Flipper".
Ahhhhh, no. That's a 'dolphin', isn't it?
(Still, the name fits, yes?)

euclid
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