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From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Subject: Re: How do you feel about Outing, a quick poll.
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:35:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.044816.27453@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>I've noticed many people posting that they are against outing no matter
>what.  Most people on the net do not know my position on outing, and I
>request people that do know please hold their tongue.
>
>So, here's the question for people that say that they are against
>outing "no matter what":
>
>Situation:  Sodomy is declared illegal in all 50 states.  In fact,
>those caught are stigmatized and are black-listed.  They are fired and
>the black-list makes it difficult for them to get a job.  There are
>many witchhunt-style searches for gays and more so lesbians.
>
>One day you discover that the procecutor that oversees 100% of all the
>arrests is, himself, a homosexual.  Not only is he homosexual, but he
>is well-know at the town's local gay bar.
>
>What do you do?  Do you tell anyone?  Do you bring it to the press?
>Do you "out" him?  What if he wasn't the prosecutor but ranked high
>enough that he could put an end to all investigations and might even
>be able to have the law overturned?
>
>(go to the next page for the rest of this post)
>

At this point, no. I would not out this person. Why? Because if you did
and he were fired, he would simply be replaced. The policy that this
person administers must be changed, he is just the overseer.

>The situation I just described is the U.S. military.  Many gay men,
>bisexuals, and (mostly) lesbians are given dishonorable discharges each
>year.  It is difficult to find work with such a thing on your record.
>The highest ranking civilian is Pete Williams; he could stop it; he
>could end it for good; he is 100% gay.

This is because the -pentagon- has a policy that gays are incompatible
with military service. This person did not set the policy, nor is he
in a position to change it. The military is notorious for frowning
heavily on people who don't follow instructions.

BTW, I'm ex-military.

Scott

-- 
Scott Moir / Pentangle / Satyr ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
pentangl@Ursa-Major.spdcc.com  \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+) s+ m r p+     \/\/  # "What's that?"
These are my opinions, not SPDCC's    # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbs
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Outing? (Was Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 4 Apr 92 05:04:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr4.050436.8173
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <1992Apr3.025820.17035@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

>Someone (Ciaran?) asked if there was any evidence that actors who
>played gay parts had problems getting parts later.      
>...
>I don't know of any recent (90's) coverage.

When Oliver Stone announced his intent to produce THE MAYOR OF CASTRO
STREET, there was apparently something of a rush for applications to
play Harvey Milk.  James Woods, for example, was apparently
particularly persistent in approaching Stone about the role, as were
several other prominent actors.  Mind you, these are all pretty big
names, and people whose careers are not likely to dry up after a
single unpopular role, but it is a considerable change from recent
years nevertheless.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Women are BLG, too! (was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:56:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.175124.14167@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <31593@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.210657.2253@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>>+p.s. You didn't mention men who have been sexually abused.  I'm curious as to
>>+why.
>>
>>'cause men don't get abused. And if they dd,o the abused becomes homosexual
>>too, since the the perpatrator is a male.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^ 
>isn't there supposed to be a smiley here?  (please say yes...)

I'm pretty sure there was.

>>My suspicsion is that more boys are abused, un-reported, and will
>>remain so as long as there is such a negative view towards
>>homosexual activities. 
>
>ummm.... sex between little/young boys and men is pedophilia, 
>not "homosexual activity".

True, but if John was speaking sarcastically from a Middle American
viewpoint (as I think he was) these acts are indeed identified with
homosexuality rather than pedophilia.  As long as there is a negative
view towards homosexual activities, man-boy pedophilia (which is very
often equated with a homosexual orientation) will go underreported.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Biphobia in TORCH SONG?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:24:31 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr6.212637.23389@osf.org> alan@osf.org ("Alan
Hamilton") writes:

>However, I always get angry when Arnold throws Ed out with a
>disparaging remark about bisexuals.

I thought there was a distinct biphobia in the first episode--not just
Arnold's comments, but also in the dream Ed had about suicide. 

However, I thought it was interesting in its depiction of a mono/bi
relationship. The suggestion that a bisexual lover will always want to
be seeing someone of the opposite sex as well is a natural
anxiety-producer in these (for insecure people like me, anyway.)
Someone of the opposite sex seems like a form of competion you may not
be equiped to handle.


--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Bi Quotes
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:32:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010066.0v82lq
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Apr9.104737.13144@sci.kun.nl> (soc.bi), rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.012037.9025@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >the great red-head hunt is on!!!!
> >olaf's keeping the list, with names and (hopefully) e-mail 
> >addresses!  (if have red hair and wantto be hunted, let him 
> >know (-:)  ...
> >
> >"and they're off!"
> >peg
> 
> And I just decided to keep a list of redhead-hunters too, and we both
> are already on it! I should have remembered to write down the redheads
> from previous posts... I could grep through old posts at home (the
> famous falu.sneakernet machine ;-) and make some notes!


Well why don't you just asked the person who posted the question the
first time around? ;-)  I kept the postings (along with email addresses.)

Sorry Peg, you have to come collect them in person.  Big grin.

By the way, my hair is very long, dark brown with auburn highlights,
and more silver every time I look.  Can I join in on the hunt?


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From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Books to read; Snap Crackle Pop
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:10:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr8.143738.15106@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
+In article <1992Apr8.102615.16582@cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
+
+>The concept was probably borrowed from Christianity. The following
+>details are from _Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven_, chapter 19.
+>
+>	Thomas Aquinas (13th century) wrote in _Summa Theologiae_ that:
+>	One and the same devil can produce semen by taking the form of
+>	a woman and having intercourse with a man and then taking the
+>	form of a man and haviong intercourse with a woman. The

I thought that was in Summa Contra Genitalia.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: What is Furryness (was Re:  too perverse? (was Re: I am Muffin! I am INVINCIBLE!))
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:19:17 GMT
Reply-To: rhialto@cs.kun.nl
Organization: News Addicts with custom software

In article <1992Mar31.012531.2593@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
>   *Sigh*  Here it goes again... Look, if you want to bring your
>furriness to your sexuality, or vice versa, feel free!  It DOES strike
>me that there is a far more sexually active body of people in Furry
>fandom than anywhere else in the fandom universe, but let's not equate
>the two.  Meanwhile, let's have fun!

Ok. I'll ask the obvious question. When is one Furry? If you like cats? If
you particularly like the scene at the end of chapter 36 of Fritz Leiber's
"The Wanderer"? (Ballentine Books 1964; Penguin Books 1969) If you wish
there were more Tigerishkas around? If you like (the idea of) rishathra
(glossary, Ringworld Engineers)? If you like the looks of Vincent (the
beast) in the tv series "Beauty and the Beast" [only vaguely related to the
fairy tale of the same name] more than those of the "beauty"? [but no-one
seems to know this series - too bad, you missed something] Is the murderer
of the Rue Morgue Furry? (just testing the net's literacy; hint: an
American writer, last century)

Or am I totally getting this wrong?

>      Elf!!!  A Skunk Fucker, and proud of it!

I wouldn't find that very offensive... and certainly not after reading the
Journal Entries... but then again, I'm not easily offended by things
"average" people find offensive; rather, I'd find "average" an offensive
word... but that's me. *ramble*

-Olaf.
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Out of the closet (was Re: Dictionary of American and British Usage)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:13:48 GMT

rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

>For years I said, 3/4 joking, that the proof of female superiority was
>that lesbians didn't fuck in public bathrooms.
>The first issue I saw of _On Our Backs_ had a 4 page phote
>spread of two leather dykes in a public restroom.

Of course we do, thats why theres always such long queues for the 
bathrooms.  

Iseult.
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Books to read; Snap Crackle Pop
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:39:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr9.013903.9753
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.143738.15106@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Oh, yeah, I remember reading this in the somewhere in St. Thomas.  The question
>was about incubi and succubi, demons that take, respectively, male and
>female forms.  (You have to have SOMEBODY on whom to blame those orgasms you
>have when you're asleep!)  Thomas asks whether a woman could get pregnant
>from an incubus, and answers, yes, because the demon could first steal
>semen from a man as a succubus, then visit the woman as an incubus.
>Pretty, neat, huh?  Beats vampires, even!  I'll try to track down
>the reference if anyone's interested.
>
>Medieval philosophy is phun.  But I don't remember any homo- or bisexual
>demons, rats!

yeah but we at least have *tv* demons, right?  
peg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: quinnb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Keywords: Wink, nudge, is there someplace we could go?;)
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:37:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.130317.5042@newcastle.ac.uk>, J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>>ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>>>rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>Snuggling up to the entire newsgroup and looking up with wide,
>>>>expectant eyes...
>>>
>>>Ohmigawd - eyes!  I *love* brown eyes...and green eyes...and blue eyes...
>>>and grey ones and hazel ones 
>>
>>Mine are a little strange... a rather poetic lover of mine once called
>>them "sea and sun". They're sea green with a golden ring just around
>>the pupil...
> 
> Hey, mine are like that! Only, more of a blueish-greenish-mottled grey.
> But then, the North Sea is like that...
Yum... mine change from day to day... from green to blue to grey... 
but I have gold ring around my iris too!!! and 1/4 of my right eye is brown...

> 
>>>(wink)(biting my upper lip slightly and looking away, then back, barely
>>>grinning, so shy)
>>(fluttering eyelashes at you)
>>
>>>ro
>>	-Nora
> 
> Suggestively licking lips at both of you...
> 
>    /jon

gently cuddling all three of you...
			-Brendan

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From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Women are BLG, too! (was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:21:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr9.210657.2253@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
+
+p.s. You didn't mention men who have been sexually abused.  I'm curious as to
+why.

'cause men don't get abused. And if they dd,o the abused becomes homosexual
too, since the the perpatrator is a male.

My suspicsion is that more boys are abused, un-reported, and will
remain so as long as there is such a negative view towards
homosexual activities. Much has been written about the woman/girl's
view of being sexually abused, the negative self-image, etc. But I
don't think the popular press has gotten around to abused men/boy's
except to maintain that idea that 'we can't trust gays to be scout
leaders, 'cause look at these cases of sexual abuse'.

This is clearly an anecdotal observation.

-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: jmacvean@willamette.edu (Jennifer Mac vean)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Outing at the Oscars? (Was: Why are you all so nice?)
Keywords: privacy, de-muffining
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:58:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr10.175845.12972
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR

While I agree that all queers, bis particularly, need visibility, I don't
think outing is a fair way to do it.  Here in the states we prize our
freedoms to be individuals (well, some of us do), and I wouldn't want
someone deciding for _me_ when it was time to come out, so I can't support
doing that to anyone else.  I guess it comes down to this, everyone who
thinks we should out others, in fact all of us, should hold ourselves 
responsible for coming out.  If we're in a position where it would put us
in great danger or we just don't feel comfortable with it, we should have
the option of not coming out to everyone.  
As far as why we're nice, well, I'd just like to think that comes naturally!!!
;-)   *nuzzle the whole newsgroup*  I came out to my dorm this week, Metanoia
House.  We had a conversation board where people wrote their thoughts on 
love, sex, and marriage.  I couldn't resist, and I was fairly sure that
nothing
would happen to me if I did, so I wrote, in effect, "I love everybody, and
I find everybody (well, almost everybody), attractive.  I love being this
way, and yes, I'm saying that I'm bi."  Or gender non-specific, like Penguin
says (hi stevey-poo, flirt outrageously).  It was lots scarier than doing
this, which is, by the way my official De-Muffining!  Thanks elf, peg, both
Nicks, Palmer, Nora, Kayany-digits, and everyone else!  Special thanks to John
Collier of rec.arts.books, I'm not sure if he reads this.  I love you guys.
I love being bi.  *wink*  *squeeze*  *moan softly*  *sigh*

Lynne
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From: pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: Re: Dominos (was: De-muffining, me too!)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:43:21 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman: liberal hippie subversive dude.) wrote...
>In article <PTFCLZK=S@linac.fnal.gov>, glass@mdtf14.fnal.gov (Hank Glass) writes:
>> since moving here from LA... I've also noticed I've been feeling a bit
>> odd lately (queer? no ..no.. that's not quite right... ), but I have
>> had an almost irresistable urge to snuggle with just about anything that
>> moved--male, female, or neuter (hey!  does that make me TRI-sexual?)
>
>	Or a TRY-sexual...you'll TRY anything!
>	<duck>
>
>		-Max

There's also BUY-sexual: Buy me something, I'll get sexual. <also ducking>

Ellen

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:20:05 GMT

Apologies to all those beautiful West Coast and Midwest bis (and
Goddess, there seem to be plenty of them) but I'll support any sort of
idea for a soc.bi get-together as long as it's reasonably East.  I
don't have the money (and probably not the time) to attend anything
that's TOO far from Massachusetts.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, there's homosexuality in all animals
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      / but one, and that's the pig.  If it weren't
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / for homosexuals we'd all have to live like
                                 pigs." -- overheard at Sydney Mardi Gras
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:14:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: thelema.1992Apr15.041441.22618
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <920413#119#124722:nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu> nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu writes:
>>>>>Flirtitiously munching on the back of the entire newsgroup's neck:
>>>>Flirtatiously nibbling the *big toes* of the entire newsgroup...
>>>Sensually massaging the lower back of the entire newsgroup...
>>Flirtatiously spinning my favorite whip at the entire newsgroup....
>Flirtatiously but quickly running for cover...
Flirtatiously but firmly pointing out you don't gotta run.  Just say fword.

>*SNAP* YEEOOOWW!..but not quickly enough.
Pompously pointing out that unsolicited whippings are abuse, not SM.

>Dear lord, let this not become a cscade...
Evilly cascading your prayer. ("dear mistress" wouldn't have worked either.)

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: What is Furryness (was Re:  too perverse? (was Re: I am Muffin! I am INVINCIBLE!))
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:59:10 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <rhialto.001y@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@cs.kun.nl writes:
>Ok. I'll ask the obvious question. When is one Furry? If you like cats? If
>you particularly like the scene at the end of chapter 36 of Fritz Leiber's
>"The Wanderer"? (Ballentine Books 1964; Penguin Books 1969) If you wish
>there were more Tigerishkas around? If you like (the idea of) rishathra
>(glossary, Ringworld Engineers)? If you like the looks of Vincent (the
>beast) in the tv series "Beauty and the Beast" [only vaguely related to the
>fairy tale of the same name] more than those of the "beauty"? [but no-one
>seems to know this series - too bad, you missed something] Is the murderer
>of the Rue Morgue Furry? (just testing the net's literacy; hint: an
>American writer, last century)

Risking a toe-dip into the waters of definition... one is (IMHO) Furry
if one has at least one identifiable non- or quasi-human personality
in one's psychical complement.  F'rexample, I have at least two Furry
modes: 1) Crisco, who hangs around on FurryMUCK now and then, who is
a tall, fair-haired, half-cat, who wears outrageous-sloganned T-shirts,
plays the tenor recorder, and is devoted to any and all sensual pleasure,
and 2) The Wombatt, who doesn't have any other name, but who surfaces
when times get hard and there's a necessity to burrow down into something
comfortable and meditate on the ousia and hypostasis of twigs and moss...

Not all cat-lovers are Furry, no.  Yes, probably, if you like that Leiber
scene.  Yes, if you're into rishathra (transgender and transspecies sex
seems to be common on FurryMUCK).  Vincent was YUMMMMMMMY!!  No, the
murderer of the Rue Morgue was an animal, pure and simple.


>>      Elf!!!  A Skunk Fucker, and proud of it!

[Kay dreamily ponders the idea of getting a mephitomorphing...]


					Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
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37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: darcy@panix.com (Darcy Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: don't panic t-shirt company #
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:57:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY


a few weeks ago i posted the 1.800 # for the company don't panic.. the people
who make the t-shirts.. "nobody knows i'm bi"

i lost the order form!! did anyone keep my post or write down the #? if so..
can you please e-mail it to me.. thanks..


-- 
Darcy D. Lee
			BI BY NATURE!
darcy@panix.com
cmcl2!panix!darcy
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (stephanie mandell)
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.160151.23359@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.214903.7783@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>NEWS FLASH:  a quake was recorded worldwide at 0517 GMT when
>apparently the entire readership of soc.bi fluttered their
>eyelashes at once.

Hey!  This is a bit scary.  On Monday morning there was an
earthquake at 0122 GMT, centered near Maastricht.  Must be that
the Netherlands is just leading the pack!

>(wink)(biting my upper lip slightly and looking away, then back, barely
>grinning, so shy)

Oh, gimmee a break with this shy business...  The grin gives it
all away.

>ro

Steph

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