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From: dickman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bob Dickman)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Light Weight Back Packing?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:31:24 GMT
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Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1993Jan26.173146.10159@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead) writes:
>
>>1 tent fly, poles and pegs.
>
>A bivy sack saves more weight.
>
>I agree that the Thermarest is a must.  This is supposed to be
>enjoyable, right?
>

I've been toying with the idea of making 3-season shelter out of a Gore-Tex
bivy sack (REI Cyclops?), thermarest, and then using whatever polypro clothing
you normally carry for warmth.  You should be able to cut at least 4 or so 
pounds off of the weight of a bag and tent combo.

Or for perfectly dry conditions, an army surplus poncho liner makes for a 
warm covering.



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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:27:19 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <11754@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> harold@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>>All the Whisper Lite stoves I've seen use the MSR
>>fuel bottle.  Is this really necessary?  Wouldn't any old
>>fuel bottle with the right threads work just as well?
>
>I heard a storey about this.
>Apparently they used to have the same thread as the Sigg bottles,
>but after someone pumped like hell and blew up a Sigg bottle, 
>MSR changed the thread so it only fits their bottles.
>Something to do with liability...? They only guarantee their own bottles.
>
>This may be just a legend -- I haven't tried using another bottle recently
>enough to remember the results.

It's a legend/story.

It's documented around MSR Newsletter #8 or so which I have since lost
(but I still have 1-7).
The problem was Taiwan SIGG clones.  I still own one for carrying fuel.
It had concave bottoms which cracked under pressure.

I have just retired my G/K.  One should not get sentimental about gear,
but it lasted me 15+ tough years.  I regarded it as one of my additional
margins of safety for burning diesel or car fuels in emergencies (only
came close to this twice).  I mean I could have just kept my old Svea 123
like Fletcher, but it was the sub-zero ski trip of Telescope Peak which
donated it to my old friend Vicki.  MSR "field maintainability" was great.
We cooked everything from melting snow for water to moo shu pork in the
Whites, gung pow chicken in Yosemite, fondues (cheese and chocolate),
trout and salmon, from CA to Alaska and all States and Provinces in between.
It had its share of stories and the challenges with priming by other
climbing partners.

I don't like the plastic pump shaft of the newer XG/K2s or Whisperlights.
But like transplants, I am salvaging parts of the G/K for the XG/K:
the silly 8 oz cup cover (dipping cup) and the flint striker,
so I don't have to use the Bic(tm) or a match.  The striker was
great but most people I know could never use them.  Truly one of the
greatest pieces of gear ever made.
The "stove" was never given a "name."  It will be missed.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Folding canoes, evaluations
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Has anyone bought or used a folding canoe? I was thinking about buying one
because I live in an apartment and storage space is quite a commodity :)

My biggest concern is the canoe leeking and durability, the canoe would be
used on trips ranging from a day to about a week in quite to medium water.

If anyone can would like to share their experiences I would greatly
appreciate it.

						-Thanks,
						Jason
					jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
-- 
Wouldn't it be fun to go across North America on a steel horse?
and to sleep under the stars each night--
to ride into the Sun each morning,
all on a whim, a desire met with the passion of life.
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From: boober@ravel.udel.edu (Scott Keit Anderson)
Subject: Info on Ozarks
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:30:40 GMT

I am looking for info on the Ozark Mountains in Arkansas.  I am
planning a trip for about 8 people for a six-day excursion.
Does anyone have any suggestions such as good loops and/or
shuttle info?  How about normal weather conditions for late   
March or early April?  Or any info on local regulations, etc.?
				thanks
					Scott Anderson
					boober@brahms.udel.edu
From: scsykes@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (scsykes)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: do you want a new group -- rec.camping?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:17:28 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario
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Against.

So much of the information posted here is of common interest
that we would end up with a lot of cross postingr.
Redundancy is already a problem on the net. 

Keep it as it is.

-Jack
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From: Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: do you want a new group -- rec.camping?
Organization: Shepherd Labs
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:20:21 GMT

I for one would rather read one large group with a variety of topics than
twenty different groups with little traffic.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Recommendation: a place to go with my father?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:10 GMT

Try a High Sierra cabin in Yosemite.
You will walk into the mountains miles aways from cars.
They provide bed and food.
They are somewhat expensive and popular.
You can stop at several for a multi-night trip.
Some of them require vigorous uphill hiking and others are more moderate.
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From: u538256@csi.uottawa.ca (Chris Chenier)
Subject: Home made food dehidrator questions
Keywords: dehidrator
Reply-To: u538256@csi.uottawa.ca
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:05:08 GMT

I'm currently building my own food dehidrator, and would like to
know what others who have built their own use as heat source.
I have heard of people using light bulbs (normal 100W), but
since the primary function of a light bulb is to provide light
(no, really?), I wonder if there would be a more efficient
method?  I'm thinking of a verry low power heating element.
I don't want to pay too much, so I would like to build it or
to get it from some broken device.  Would plugging a household
lighting control rehostat (sp?) work fine?
Also, I don't want to start a huge debate, but is a fan really
helpfull?  I was thinking of a fan similar to those in PCs.
Finally, I have read a few books, and none seem to agree on
the best drying temperature (anywhere from 100F. to 150F.).

Thank.  I'll post a summary of the email I get.
Chris
u538256@csi.uottawa.ca
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: psachdev@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Thanks for Canadian info
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:21:47 GMT


Hi there,

Thanks to all the people who sent me info on Canadian mail-order suppliers.
Of the eighteen or so replies I received, all recommended Mountain 
Equipment Co-op.  I guess thats a good a review as one can get.

Thanks again,

Duncan McAndrew
Psachdev@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Light Weight Back Packing?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:30:14 GMT

In article <C1HzJt.92J@pix.com> hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom) writes:

   Much as I love my Thermarest, I should add that if you can stand the
   bulk, the Deluxe RidgeRest is lighter, just about as comfortable,
   indifferent to punctures, and eliminates the need for a groundsheet if
   you're in a dry environment.  Admittedly, it rolls into something about
   the size of a 500lb bomb, but the full-length model (well, okay, the
   deluxe is only available full-length) is still slightly lighter than my
   3/4-length Ultralight.  I think it's feels warmer too, but I haven't
   tried one in windy conditions.

They make a 3/4 length Ridge Rest or at least they used to.
I have one and hated it.  I switched to a thermarest which later
got stolen.  Am now thinking of going to a full length Ridge Rest.
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From: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU (Dennis J. Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Heavy Weight Backpacking (was Re: Light We
Reply-To: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:55:33 GMT

>>What are the unusual (and RARELY USED) items people carry when they
>>go *heavy* weight backpacking?  

Let's see... on the A.T. last spring I spotted

- a lawn chair *and* a portable color television (carried by a member of the
  Sierra Club's thru-hiking contingent, no less!)
- MRE's for food for each meal
- A "spare" gallon bottle of water (yes, full)
- A set of external speakers for a walkman
- A gallon of bourbon and a case of beer (in the same pack... who needs food?)
- a telescope, complete with tripod
- Enough changes of clothing to outfit an entire troop of boy scouts twice over
  (OK, little exaggeration, but, do I *really* need more than what I'm wearing
  and maybe a set of fleece to wear in camp?)
- A spare water filter (just in case the Katadyn blows out...)
- One of those vinyl pool-mattresses to float in ponds (in addition to the 
  thermarest they used to sleep on)

And the topper...

- A 100' heavy-duty extension cord (in the Whites!!! I never did get an
  explanation for that one... and they were out for a week!)

Actually, I do like a little luxury when I pack... s'not unusual for me to pack
50+ pounds (including 7 days of food), but I do *use* all of the stuff when I'm
out, too. I could live without some of it (like the reading material) but I
don't *want* to!

-- Dennis
----------------------------------------------------
Dennis J. Wilkinson, II  (pnsf01dw@umassd.edu)
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth - Design/CS Project

The opinions reflected in this post are MINE!!!! ALL MINE!!!!!
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Light Weight Back Packing?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:37:06 GMT

>In article <1jvm1aINN7r3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
as376@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen C. Ferguson) writes:
>> Does anyone know anything about very! light weight back
>> packing? I mean going into the woods for 1-2 nights with just
>> 20 lbs or so.  I am not talking survival tactics quite, 

Not carrying extras like climbing gear, getting water from creeks,
even with a stove, summer, and a light bag, skipping a tent: sure.

Thermarest?  Last summer I had a nice granite slab I slept on in the 
Minarets (climbed two), another time I used sand (glacial debris),
and numerous naps on grass or needles.  You don't need a pad
(except in winter or colder time, but that violates the summer assumption
to start).  That's not a boast, that's just an account of facts.

Back in 1972, had a Mt. Whitney trip.  That was 14 pounds for three days.
The thing you have to realize is that all that gear is mostly luxury
like the Thermarest.  And none of this means resorting to survival gear.
Intelligent use of limited gear and food in certain environments
and conditions is easily doable.

In article <Jan26.205738.26003@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>When you think about it, a snowmobile suit's got to be warm, designed
>for sitting inactive in the cold wind.  (Not that I want to start the
>great "motoroized ==> non-physical" debate again or anything.)

Ah, Wayne, did the net burn you?  Yeah I think a suit like that is more
than enough for many areas. 8^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:55:19 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

I haven't seen anyone mention that Coleman now advertises a version of
the Peak 1 which is designed specifically for use with unleaded
automobile fuel.

For those folks for whom kerosene is undesirable, and Coleman fuel (by
whatever name) is difficult to obtain or expensive, this alternative is
worth investigationg.  If anyone tries it, please post review.

---
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
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voice: 716-422-3186
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From: sjain@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sanjay Jain)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Coleman Apex Stoves (was Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves)
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:36:15 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <lxIks*vB1@stile.stonemarche.org> me@stile.stonemarche.org (Mark Eklof) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.040707.8831@Princeton.EDU>, Sanjay Jain writes:
>> apropos of the discussion of stoves (for turkey or otherwise), we bought
>> a coleman apex. first off, one should be warned that in order to use
>> kerosene in it, one needs to buy separately (i should capitalise that
>> word) a kerosene "generator". (if you thought, as i did, that generators
>
>	So, how well does it work?  The Campmor catalog mentions that
>it elimininates the need for a pre-heating priming cup with some
>system that always delivers atomised fuel to the burner.  Does this
>mean that one needn't pre-heat the stove, and can avoid the flare?
>
>Mark
>-- 
>Mark D. Eklof
>Covs Grange
>Brookline, New Hampshire, USA
>
>me@stile.stonemarche.org
>
>Sometimes, I wonder if it's me.

as i said, it worked fine. did'nt require any pre-heating (though keep
in mind that this was in the everglades, with evening temperatures in
the 60's). one did have to pump the stove fairly vigorously to really
get it going (though again, this could just be my own lack of experience
with the stove - it did seem to get easier on later days). as to flare,
the first couple of times, i opened the fuel valve too much, so that the
flame jumped pretty high (and you could hear fuel trickling into the
burner cup). so i'd turn it off, wait for it to cool (as per the
instructions), and restart the process. again, this improved as i got
the hang of it. 
regards.
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From: hamel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Hamel)
Subject: County Parks & Recreation land acquisition
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:50:22 GMT


I am currently working on a group project for an Outdoor Recreation class
which involves the acquisition of land by County Parks and Recreation 
Departments.  Any material anyone on the net might have including statistics,
pamphlets, government manuals, examples, or referrals to sources of
information would be greatly appreciated.  Please respond via my e-mail
account.  Thanks!

Scott
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University of Georgia - Athens, Ga. 30602
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Coleman Apex Stoves (was Re: Info on Whisper Lite Stoves)
From: me@stile.stonemarche.org (Mark Eklof)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:28:05 -0500
Organization: Stonemarche Network Cop
Summary: So, how well does it work?
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In article <1993Jan20.040707.8831@Princeton.EDU>, Sanjay Jain writes:
> apropos of the discussion of stoves (for turkey or otherwise), we bought
> a coleman apex. first off, one should be warned that in order to use
> kerosene in it, one needs to buy separately (i should capitalise that
> word) a kerosene "generator". (if you thought, as i did, that generators

	So, how well does it work?  The Campmor catalog mentions that
it elimininates the need for a pre-heating priming cup with some
system that always delivers atomised fuel to the burner.  Does this
mean that one needn't pre-heat the stove, and can avoid the flare?

Mark
-- 
Mark D. Eklof
Cos Grange
Brookline, New Hampshire, USA

me@stile.stonemarche.org

Sometimes, I wonder if it's me.
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Boot Review wanted
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:42:52 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Distribution: na
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
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|> I'm interested in a "medium weight" hiking boot heavy enough for several-
|> day backpacks, off-trail, and pleasant fourth class scrambles, but
|> not "heavy duty" mountaineering boots like Asolos, Merrills, etc. I suspect
|> this type of boot can be identified by its price range: $150 - $225 US$.

The companies you mention also make good mid-weight boots (2 to 4 pounds
per pair).  You probably want something will all leather uppers for
extra protection when scrambling.  The Asolo Trail boots used to be
very popular in this price range; but these are now very expensive and
hard to find.  I have a pair of Merrill Explorers, which work pretty
well.  Make sure you get something that fits you well.  Fit is much
more important than any other boot characteristic.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,sci.med
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Iodine sensitivity (waas Water filter reviews from _Backpacker_
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:55:09 GMT

In article <01010064.ogl3a1@titipu.resun.com> ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid) writes, quoting Backcountry magazine:
>Iodine, whether in tablet, crystal, or concentrated liquid form, is light and
>easy to use, though effectiveness depends on dosage concentration, the amount
>of time you wait between adding iodine and drinking, and the water's
>temperature and pH. The unique odor and odd flavor of iodized water makes
>drinking it an acquired taste, and some people add flavored drink mixes like
>Tang and Kool Aid to improve palatability. (Pregnant women and people with
>thyroid problems shouldn't ingest iodine.)
>
Recently I started going to a new GP. As we  went over my history I
mentioned I am allergic to shrimp. "Aha," she said, "no iodine based
dyes, then." That reminded me of the stories I've read on the net
from shrimp-allergic women who had horrid reactions to iodine-based
dyes. 

Should I also avoid iodine treatment of drinking water in the
wilderness? Right now we use the MSR, but it would be nice to be
reassured one way or the other about the feasibility of iodine for me in
the future.

Email please, and I'll send a summary by mail to those who ask or
to these groups if I get a lot of requests.

Kate


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From: pere@ravel.udel.edu (Persephone Brooks)
Subject: long undies
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:29:43 GMT

	Does anyone know of a good mail order catalog for women's silk
long underwear?  A phone number would be helpful, if possible....

_____________________
Persephone Brooks
University of Delaware
pere@ravel.udel.edu

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From: rw9601@gemini
Subject: Cooking in the Wild
Reply-To: rw9601@gemini
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:33:14 GMT

In a post in rec.food.cooking (I think), this group was mentioned as a
source of camping recipes.  Apparantly there was a compiled file at some

point that is available somewhere?  I don't know how to fnd it, though,
and would be grateful is someone would tell me or mail me a copy.

Thanks,
RW9601@albnycms.bitnet

From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:04:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking 1-person tent
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

Re: 1 person tent

I second the Eureka "Gossamer".  Got caught in a rough rain/snow/wind
storm last Su....er..Fall and was quite comfy and dry. Even after arriving
at camp in the dark and rain and fairly wet.

I hadn't expected the tent to be so dry under the circumstances. The
only thing I lacked was earplugs to make the sleet flailing on the 
rainfly 3" above my nose more subdued :-) (The earplugs were outside
the tent in my pack safely under the raincover.)

Only real drawback is that getting clothes changed and pads & bag arranged
inside the tent while self is also inside is quite the contortion act. 
But it's aerobic and keeps you warm........

Be sure to carry enough stakes for the rainfly pullouts!

Ron Miller
From: rbw3q@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Brad Whitehurst)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Recommendation: a place to go with my father?
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:01:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1993Jan24.200026.1840@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> abl9y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew B. Lederman) writes:
>After years of claiming that I am crazy, my father hsa decided that he wants 
>to share a wilderness experience with me.  We are planning to go somewhere
>in mid-July, but don't know where to go.  He could probably not deal with 
>carrying a heavy pack for a long time, and canoeing is out, so we are loking
>for a good place to day trip from a lodge or something.  Anywhere in the U.S.
>is fair game, but we'd prefer someplace in the Rockies.  Any suggestions,    
>experiences would be  a great help.  I have to make this a good trip!
>
>Thanks,
>Andrew
>
	Actually, the Mt. Rogers National Recreation Area/Grayson
Highlands State Park, right here in Virginia, is very enjoyable.  No
lodge that I know of, but the State Park has an established campground
if you want, car camp (or *shudder* RV) and hike across the high
balds and ridges, as well as forests from streambed hardwoods up to
spruce peaks.  The rhodendenron/laurel display from end of May to end
of June is spectacular.  Also, many of the National Forests, esp. out
West have access roads allowing a high-clearance vehicle or 4X4 to
drive in to wonderful camp spots or jump-off points for hiking.
-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
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