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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:56:08 GMT
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Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
: In article <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: >How much does it cost, you ask?
: >
: >For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
: >gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.

: Anyone heard anything lately about hydrogen power?  I recall seeing a 
: program on the television about such a beast.  The fuel was expensive to
: produce, but they said it would be cheaper if mass-produced and the source
: (water) is almost limitless.  If I'm not mistaken, the only pollution was
: water vapor and the conversion from a gasoline engine was not difficult.

And you think that gas is flammable?!?!  Hydrogen makes gas look weak...

: >Not the ultimate answer, but it beats the hell out of killing our
: >atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
: >any day.

You do realize of course, that factories, etc... generate _far_ more pollution
than cars do, right?

: The idea of electric cars didn't appeal to me until I thought about all
: the torque that one can generate.  Should be awesome for pulling trailers,
: hill-climbing, and mud-riding.  :-)

"And look at my new Electric Mustang GT!  0-60 in two days, but hey, look at
all that torque!"

: ObAdvocacy:

: How good or bad is Commodore with regard to the environment?  I saw a report
: a while back which listed IBM and a few others as being some of the biggest
: polluters due to their manufacturing process.  Oh, I forgot, that sort of
: information is probably covered by the NDA...  :-)

: >Greg
: >
: >(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :)
: >(: "Just because Workbench isn't painted like a pimp's BMW doesn't    :)
: >(:  mean it's not sharp, elegant, and functional."    -Ian Kennedy    :)
: >(: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Wubba :)

: Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: world, public
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:11:04 GMT

In article <C17rn7.K2L@newcastle.ac.uk> D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Butcher) writes:
>
>(Note: The following prices are in Pounds Sterling)
>
>A friend of mine (A PC fan) and I worked out the price of a 486 machine that was
>close in ability and functionality to a A4000.
>The Prices used, (Dirt Cheap Whole sale) were about 600 less than the price of
>a magazine add for the A4000.

>This I am sad to say (As an Amiga fan) does not put the A4000 on an equal
>footing with thew 486, The machine we put together was generally better on most
>counts.

	Did the 486 have 32 bit EISA slots or 16 bit ISA slots? 

	Did the 486 have SCSI, allowing it to accessing 8 devices
including CDROMS, hard disks, flopticals, high density floppies, tape
backups, etc, or was it an IDE that supports only 2 hard disks? The A4000
will probably ship with SCSI as an option.

	Does the 486 have IBM compatible emulators available for it?

	Was the last line just a joke?

	Does that IBM output to NTSC and PAL? Does it support sprites,
double buffering, multiple playfields, 30 frame per second full screen
animations, 262,144 colors onscreen? 

	Stereo audio channels and not just FM bands, that sample up to 44KHz?

	Does it support all bit plane modes in all resolutions?


	I could go on and on...but of course stopped because I ran out
of reasons!


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:02:51 GMT

Shouldn't we be xposting this thread to c.s.a.introduction?  It doesn't quite
fit .advocacy's charter - real facts are being given, and someone might well
inadvertantly learn something...

In article <1993Jan23.172414.18703@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.010843.8568@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>And while I'm at it, just what kind of characters does AmigaDOS *not* allow in
>>file and directory names?  Hmm.  Is there a way to get around to having spaces
>>in file and directory names? <insert rest of sentence here>
>
>It allows *any* characters EXCEPT the slash (obviously) and the double-quote.

And ":".  

 You
>CAN use question marks or hash signs (despite the fact that these are wildcard
>specifiers), and you can ALSO use spaces (although you need to put quotes around
>the filenames for that).  I disapprove stongly of using spaces in filenames

Something we should clarify for Dan here.

If I was a newbie/DOS user reading this thread, I'd get the impression that, to
use filenames containing spaces on the Amiga, the name must be surrounded in
quotes.  Ok, but what we're not making clear (because it seems obvious?) is
that that only applies in the CLI/Shell.  The CLI needs quotes to allow it to
parse command lines, so that

rename a b c d

is ambiguous, but

rename "a b" "c d"

is not.

However, there is no problem with using an icons or entries in file requestors
containing spaces.  If you don't use the shell, you don't need quotes.

>How's the calculator?  :)

My old 15C's fine, thanks.  Did you mean Dan's PC?  It's a PC - what more do
you need to know?  The question's redundant.

> > Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
>
>-Eyvind


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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:42:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.121123.18965@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan25.064208.3478@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>: >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>
>: >: 	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
>: >: risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.
>: >
>: >You're kidding... I thought it was getting cooler...
>
>: 	Sorry, I meant the past 100 years...
>
>I was being serious... I thought I had noticed a trend of cooler summers over
>the past 2-3 years... But then that could just be from Mt. Pinatubo...

	Yeah but it was funny! I say in the past year, you say it is
getting cooler, and we just went from summer to winter! :)

	But then again you cannot look at a local time period; you must 
always look at the big picture. Otherwise I could argue that the Earth is
getting cooler because it was 68F degrees in my house one minute ago, and
after putting my thermometer is has fallen to 67F...

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:07:40 GMT
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Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance (joe@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: >
: >OS/2 drivers are usually available separately, and there's no need for Unix
: >drivers, as several commercial X11 implementations support S3 accelerators
: >directly.
:
: I suggest you spend some time in the OS/2 newsgroups and pay some attention
: to the discussions about video drivers. Drivers are definitely not _usually_
: available; some cards have drivers for 1.x, very few are available for 2.x.
: As far as I know, only Orchid has released a driver for their S3 card. It
: just happens that I'm keenly interested in this issue from a personal
: perspective.
:

Oops, sorry -- you misunderstood me, and I can see why.  When I said, "OS/2
drivers are usually available separately", I didn't mean "available for most
cards"; I meant "if they're available, the usually don't come with the
card, but can be obtained from the manufacturer's BBS or by other means".

:
: You may be correct about the X11 implementations. There is a significant
: performance difference on most S3 cards between using generic S3 drivers
: and card-specific ones. It may be that the X11 users are not getting the
: real benefit of their cards if they are limited to generic drivers.
:

I'm not sure if the S3 implementations of X11 need to take advantage of
specific cards, but they sure do scream.

:
:   Joe O'Hara                ||      Disclaimer: I didn't say that!
:
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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:59:09 GMT

 lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
>
>> Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>> and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
>
>DOS and UNIX :-)
>

     Agreed.  In AmigaDOS it's just "/"... much quicker to type than "cd.."
(DOS) or "cd .." (UNIX).


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From: mike@struad.cts.com (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:55:06 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

>
>: Goto's aren't harmful?  Have you ever had to look through a 5000-line FORTRAN
>: subroutine in which every third statement is a goto?
>
>Gee, that wouldn't be judicious use, now would it?  Here's a good use, for
>example:
>
>	"nevertheless, there are a few situations where gotos may find a 
>place.  The most common is to abandon processing in some deeply nested 
>structure, sush as breaking out of two or more loops at once.  The break
>statement cannot be used directly because it only exits from the innermost
>loop." - K&R 2nd ed, and yes Jerry, if you want I can even give page nos...
>
>: "Useful" does not imply "harmless", Jack.  Sure, goto's have their uses, but
>: then again, so does heroin.
>
>One question... Do you know how _not_ to write an inflammatory post?
>
>: :   -jack-
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>zarthac@cs1    \               / Macs are more bullet proof, because the  /

  Jerry, you'll never admit you're wrong, will you? You think you can BS your
way through the person you're posting to. But you have to realize, it's not
you against one person... It's you against the whole net. (by "you" I mean you
in general, not specifically you). So it's one person's background and
education against the WHOLE net's background and education. One person posts
but there are hundreds/thousands of people reading that will have more
knowledge of 1 thing in your posts. And someone else will have more knowledge
of 1 other thing in your post, etc. And that person that is educated more
in their respective field will point out the mistake. And the other person
that is more educated in their respective field will point out another
mistake, etc.
  So unless you really know what you're talkig about, or only speak of that
which thou knowest, you will get told you're wrong by someone who has been
working in that field since before you were born.
  But no, Jerry will continue to tell *every* person that corrects him, that
they are wrong, thinking that he can BS each single person.
From: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:42:53 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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In article <1993Jan23.153100.6090@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> In <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
>>any day.
> 
> Electric cars (except of solar powered cars) have one problem. They use
> _more_ primary energy than cars that directly use the primary energy
> (i.e. gasoline). Thus, for electric cars to replace cars with combustion
> engines you have to rely on nuclear power plants to keep the atmosphere
> clean.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> Michael van Elst
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Silly question: What does this have to do with the title of the post?

					-Mike Traynor

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Advocate please...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:55:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.042105.714747@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, bayko@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (John  Bayko) writes:

|>     I'm pretty famillier with overall Amiga stuff - it's at least
|> well supported in Canada. I'd like to know a bit more about how it
|> feels in actual use. How easy is a "hello world" program that uses
|> a window? What are the four easiest ways of crashing the OS (be
|> honest)? Does it still stutter during disk access?

In order:

1> Windows are a basic structure of the Amiga OS, and as such they're well
   supported in C. The program is hardly longer than the 1-line windowless
   version. You can do some very complex things with Intuition's graphics 
   tools, but the basic stuff is EASY.

2> Hm... 4 easiest ways of crashing the OS...
	- Buy a game. Any game. You're halfway there.
             corollary: buy a European game, and give up now.
	- Run a program written for one of the older operating systems.
          True, many will run, but many won't.
        - Run out of CHIP RAM. Some programs are protected against over-using
          the resources, but many otherwise excellent programs (eg: ProPage!!)
          will blow your work to hell if you run out of CHIP. I'm not talking
          errors, either - I'm talking Fireworks Mode(tr), where the whole 
          screen goes berzerk, and you get the feeling you should go and 
	  unplug the monitor!
	- Try to do toooo much at once! This is also true on UNIX systems,
          so don't knock the Amiga for it, but if you try to START too many
          processes at once (just as an example...) you run the risk of nasty
          things like memory overlap or over-allocation...
              This once really doesn't happen very often - RARELY do you
              want to start Imagemaster, PPage, ProDraw, and JRComm at the
              same time!!! Starting one or two at a time should be enough for
	      most people.

3> Stutter during disk access? How so? My A2000's 5 years old, I don't ever
   remember it stuttering during disk access. If you mean soundwise - no.


|>     Thanks...

No prob. 

Don't forget, on my answer to #2, I interpreted your question to mean the 
four most common REAL PROBLEMS. Sure, there are easier ways to crash the OS,
but most of the crash "tricks" serve no real purpose than to screw things up!

Also, on that question, crash 3 is probably the most problematic. But, with
2 megs of CHIP RAM, an A1200 will be much better equipped to survive than my
7 meg A2000 with its paltry 1 meg CHIP.

|> John Bayko.

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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:19:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.163144.12826@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.214335.19072@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan23.010041.8201@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>Needless to say, we all wish we could afford to buy the best of all
>>>three?
>>>-- 
>>>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
>>
>>Yes, but there is only one that can run all MAC, PC and Amiga software.
>
>This of course is very true, and should solve any remaining dilemma
>about buying the A4000.

People!  Fellow sentients! Listen to what you are saying!  I said the
BEST of all three.  Would you poeple PLEASE stop  acting like you
can stuff a Quadra and mega-486 into your Amigas, willy nilly! 
And you Amigas are likely to be Amiga 500s, anyway!
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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:17:32 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:

>Hehe.  You got one of my pet peeves with AmigaShell.  WHy it doesn't
>support . and .., I have no idea.  You even have to use "" for current
>directory because . is missing as well.  I got used to the "cd /"
>nomenclature, tho.  And the MSDOS "\" is completly stupid.

  The Amiga way of doing things is faster, less keys are needed.

  To change to the root you have to type "CD \" on the PC vs. ':' on the
Amiga.

  To change to the parent you to type "CD .." vs '/'.

  To use the current directory in a command it's '.' vs "" (the only one
where the Amiga loses, btw).

  Also, you can't move up several directories at once as you can do on the 
Amiga by using "///" to go up 3 levels.

  Finally, changing devices on the PC requires two commands, the drive and
then the CD to the directory whereas on the Amiga you just type the full
pathname in one shot.

  And then there are logical directories too...

  Not bad for a game machine, eh? ;-)

  -jack-
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:31:49 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.152941.19608@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, Charles C. Bundy (ccb8m@beech.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: That depends.  To the ones who don't want to see it happen, it is.
: Unfortunately, it's a war against capitalism, which makes it all the less
: likely.  After all, money makes the world go round...
Can somebody please tell me what is wrong with capitalism?

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