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From: friedman@col.hp.com (John Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:08:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: col.1992Nov6.160831.27436
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>   I saw this in the Boston Globe this past Sunday, and thought it would be
>   of general interest.  Most of the lists we see are the "top 10 cars",
>   which typically contain a high percentage of Japanese autos.  Imagine my
>   surprise to see the all the data:
> 
>   1. Ford F-series pickup
>   2. Chevy CK pickup
>   3. Honda Accord		This is the list of top 20 sales of
>   4. Ford Taurus		vehicles in the USA in 1992.
>   5. Ford Explorer
>   6. Toyota Camry		The Globe lists their source as
>   7. Ford Ranger		the Automotive News Data Center.
>   8. Ford Escort
>   9. Dodge Caravan		Unfortunately, they didn't list
>  10. Chevy Lumina (car)		number of units, just rank.
>  11. Honda Civic
>  12. Ford Tempo
>  13. Chevy Cavalier
>  14. Toyota Corolla
>  15. Pontiac Grand Am
>  16. Plymouth Voyager
>  17. Chevy S10 pickup
>  18. Toyota pickup
>  19. Ford Aerostar
>  20. GMC Sierra pickup
> 
>   4 out of the 20 are Japanese imports, the others are domestic.
>   11 out of the 20 are utility vehicles (vans, pickups, SUVs) and all of
>   these except the Toyota pickup are domestic makes.

Ah yes, but how many of the "domestic" models are manufactured outside of
the US?

John Friedman
friedman@col.hp.com
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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona?????
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 01:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.200129.28498@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>
>CAMARO!

  And he better hurry as they seem to be dwindling on the car lots
around here, in anticipation of the '93's comming in January.

>Just say NO to FWD!

  Problem is, if your not too fond of the F cars or the 'stang, the 
RWD choices are getting quite limited these days...

>
>Torque Monger
>

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Monte Carlo   Z-LS/20 - Choice of a quiet generation

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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:50:55 GMT

rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com writes:

>bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:

>There is some confusion here. GM has announced that the platform
>engineering groups are reorganized from 6 to 4. The platform engineering
>groups are internal organization only, and have little relationship
>to the nameplate lines such as Oldsmobile. For example,
>the J/N/L cars are done by a single engineering group (as of last week),
>but are sold by Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick and Olsmobile.
>
>But when people outside the industry here about the six to
>four reorganization, they, too often, think this refers to the
>six nameplate lines. Thins have not been that simple
>since Roger Smith eliminated Fisher Body and formed CPC and BOC.

Aha!  This makes *much* more sense.  There were 2 or 3 such articles in
the past two weeks blathering on about GM's problems and what they might
do about them, and I swear that they led me to believe that two _divisions_
were going to go.  I'm gonna have to go back and find those articles,
if I can.  Either they were confusing or I had my head, well, you know.  
Could very well be the latter, but details in articles are often sketchy.

Thanks for the clarification.

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: millette@bnr.ca (Pierre Millette)
Subject: Re: 89 Ford Taurus chronic stalling problem
Reply-To: millette@bnr.ca (Pierre Millette)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:11:13 GMT

I had a similar problem with my 89 Ford Tempo during the summer
of 91. The car would gradually lose power and eventually stall.
I'd have to let it cool down before restarting and proceeding.
At about the same time, newspaper articles started mentioning
Tempo fuel pump problems with similar symptoms.

I had the fuel pump checked, and it came out fine. However the
mechanic noted that it was louder than other pumps (buzzing sound).
Before going on holidays (=travel) I had the pump replaced
nevertheless. The problem has never re-occurred. Ford has also
reimbursed the cost of the fuel pump and its replacement under
some program (I don't remember the name) and has offered a warranty
on the replacement fuel pump. 

-- 
Pierre Millette | Bell-Northern Research |  Disclaimer standard  
millette@bnr.ca |     Ottawa, Canada     |"Gott wurfelt nicht" AE
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From: matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
Subject: Re: What do you do when Mitsubishi's Customer Relations says "F*** O**"
Keywords: Diamante
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:56:02 GMT

rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:

>I have had a Diamante 92 for the past 10 months. Since day 1 it has
>had a rattle from the stereo and from within the console.

>Mitsubishi Regional Manager authorized 5 different stereo sets to
>replacements over the 10 month period. The rattle is still there
>and is now probably worse.

>So I report it to his Boss and the VP of Mitsubishi Motors of
>America in CA office. The VP office refers it back to NJ. So there is
>another day scheduled to check it out. I take another person
>along with me so we can make sure there this time the regional
>manager doesn't say again that it is the "shock absorber". This
>person has such an attitude that he thinks that customers are the
>stupidous people around and one can throw anything at them.
>Right in front of everybody he says, "Yes, there is a rattle and
>I am going to get in touch with my engineers and get back to you"
>Infact, he replaces 3 buttons on the stereo that were rattling
>too

>The next day, today, his boss calls back and says that in our
>Regional Managers expert opinion there is no rattle and hence
>this case is closed.

>Conversation:	[Not exact]
>Boss of Regional Manager:	Mr. Kohli we don't think there is
>				anymore rattle
>Me:	But there still is, I have people who will testify to that
>Boss:	But our Regional Manager is an expert on this and he
>	doesn't think there is any
>Me:	So you are saying that he is right and the
>	customer is wrong
>Boss:	No, I am saying that he has concluded that there is
>	nomore problem
>Me:	Why don't you come and be a judge
>Boss:	I wish I had the time
>Me:	What is your Boss's name?
>Boss:	I am the authority
>Me:	But your Regional Manager is lying or is not qualified
>Boss:	If he was not he wouldn't be working for us
>...
>..

>What do I do? I have sent a letter to Japan by Fed Express and it
>has probably reached them today.

  I'd say sell the car.  You've posted more articles over the last ten months
about problems with this car and the company that you purchased it from that 
you'll be better off getting rid of it and getting something less prone to 
problems.

-Matth
--
          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
   God created heaven and earth to grow barley and hops. Now he homebrews !-)
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:46:48 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>hmm..what i was reading into this whole 'vette versus peterbuilt thing, is
>that the radiator of the vette is angled, and that in the truck is standing
>upright.  thus, when a radar wave strikes the surface of the vette radiator,
>it is reflected back up, where as the one in the truck will reflect it back
>at the gun..(someone quoted the rule that i cannot remember right now..something
>about angle of incidence= angle of reflection??..)..is this true, or no?..
>(while i am sure this is only a small part of all of this crap,..i just wonder
>if this small portion is correct?)

AI=AR is high-school freshman physics (it should be obvious in any
case).  The comparison of a truck radiator to a vette radiator is
valid, although the truck will actually be a much larger reflector
than just its radiator -- most trucks have lots of flat mettalic
surfaces and will be terrific reflectors as the angle of incidence
approaches perpendicularity with respect to the truck body (in
practical terms this means that the farter away the truck is the
better reflector it is, although the affect does drop off quickly
because of the inverse square law).

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-freeze-100%-50% or what %-
Date: 13 Nov 1992 14:22 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
Summary: RTFM (read the forgotten manual)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

For you empiricists, the label on the antifreeze jug indicates the
freezing-point depression and boiling-point elevation to be had 
with various ratios of antifreeze to water.

For ethylene glycol, the maximum freezing-point depression occurs
at roughly 60% glycol to 40% water.  This is of interest to people
living in the Northern Wastes.  Most folks find that 50:50 is easy
to remember, easy to measure out, and good enough.  If in doubt, 
err on the strong side.

Look in your car's owner's manual for the fluid capacities.  Don't
forget to account for whether your car has goodies like a/c or a
towing package that increase the coolant capacity.  I can't *think*
of any situations where you would deviate from the 50:50 - 60:40
range, but if your triple-overhead-cam 1993 Cyberdyne 2000 wants
a special mixture, it should be documented in the manual.

ObBerkeleyPropaganda: Antifreeze is attractive and toxic to pets,
so wash down any spills thoroughly.  As for disposal of the old
antifreeze (and other automotive exudates and household poisons), 
E-mail me for a 50-state list of hazmat-disposal and recycling 
hotlines.  You may find, at the discretion of your local sewage
department, that the recommended method for disposing of antifreeze
(NOT motor oil, paint, etc.!) is to flush it down the commode.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Subject: Re: Toyota Mailing list
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:13:14 GMT




   Hi there,

	Is there a Toyota mailing list.  If so, would someone please give me the 
   e-mail address, or just add me to their mailing list?

	Thanks in advance.

from the welcome message...

The list is a simple unmoderated reflector. Submissions to the list
should be mailed to 'toyota@quack.sac.ca.us'. Requests for
administrative changes (adding or deleting) should be sent to
'toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us'. Mail to that address will be
read by a human.
--


Matt Landrum                    | mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "There's a fine line between 
Starkville, MS  39759           |  stupid and clever" -- Spinal Tap
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:38:14 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>>let's start a new thread:  let's name highly desirable cars that didn't
>>make it to the us.. my contribution:
>>

   How about the Trabant--the biodegradable car for the Eco-Nazi's.

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From: chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Subject: Re: FYI - Police
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:54:31 GMT

In article <202@mogun.UUCP> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
>In article <1992Oct26.011649.21721@wam.umd.edu>, jailbird@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct22.063232.20802@socrates.umd.edu>  
>> wilder@socrates.umd.edu (Claude H. Wilder) writes:
>> > In article <660@arrl.org> bdicosim%arrlhq.UUCP@uhasun.hartford.edu  
>> (Bridget DiCosimo) writes:
>> > >           [stuff deleted]
>> 
>> Hey I thought that if an officer is not flashing any lights or not in an
>> emergency he's supposed to do the regular speed limit.  What gives him
>> the right to speed? Just because he's a police officer? I don't think so
>
>Just because a squad isn't code 3 (lights flashing) doesn't
>mean that the officer isn't en route to a call.
>
>If the officer is en route to a call then he is supposed
>to get there A.S.A.P.
>                      
>                     | David Gunsul       

Recently, one of the cities around LA (Alhambra or Monterey Park, I'm not
sure) just got their new fleet of Cheverolet Caprice Jurasic police cars.
The first Friday night saw them out in flocks, just cruising around.
Then two of them met at a stop light and the cops stuck their heads out
of the windows and yelled at each other.  When the light turned green
for them, they both floored it and raced down to the next light and had
a great laugh.  No lights flashing, no sirens, just a lot of noise and
about 4 tons of vehicles hurtling down a busy street.
I wish I had a camcorder at the time.

eyc
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But t'is so much easier to curse the darkness.
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From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: Should I Pay for Dealer Prep?
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:17:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.180101.5810@msdhsv.ingr.com>, ahmad@norooz.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ahmad Alavi) writes:
|> Recently, I asked a car salesman if I could order a new car and
|> not to have any dealer prep job done on the car. He agreed to do
|> it but spent the next twenty minutes explaining how important the
|> sealant and fabric protection are. 

This is really "dealer add-on" not dealer prep.  The preparation of
the car such as adjusting alignment, etc. is included in the price
of the car.  However, they rarely do more than wash the car before
you get it.

As for the fabric protectant and paint sealant, it is important but
you can do it yourself.  The fabric protectant really means they just
spray it with a can of Scotch Guard.  The paint sealant means they
apply an acrylic sealant which you can get for less than $20.  I bet
they are asking hundreds of dollars for these "services".

-- 
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Tandem Computers, Inc.		
10600 N. Tantau Avenue		PHONE:  (408) 285-3253
Cupertino, CA   95014		EMAIL: norcott_bill@tandem.com


Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: chrisb@wang.com (Chris Bennet)
Subject: Re: FRAM filters
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:33:01 GMT

Someone asked about what I posted about FRAM oil filters destroying
my Porsche engine and Fram's response.  For inquiring minds this this
the info:
This occured in 1990 I think with my 1986 944 Turbo.
I had the oil changed by Mr BadWrench (who used a Fram).  No oil
leak at idle. Under engine belly pan (for aerodynamics) caught
leaking oil.  Driving a week after oil change when oil light
comes on.  Damage already done.  Change oil again in hopes it
was caught in time - no luck, died soon after.  Call to garage,
garage called Fram, Fram called me.  Fram said "We know about this
problem.  We'll have someone look at car, (you) gather estimates of
cost to repair."  They didn't try to weasel out of anything and I didn't
have to take them to court.  They proved it to themselves and offered
a settlement.  Since the engine was expensive to repair, they chose to
just pay me for the whole car.  All in all they were very good about it.
I believe if they had not stood behind their product I would have been
unable to get any satisfaction short of a new (Fram) filter.

A little background:  The Fram filter's gasket was the wrong size.
I heard from a friend (with a 944) that the local quick lube place
had been told by Fram to stop using the (Fram recommended) filter
on Porsches.  I suspect that it was a case of a bad batch of filters
as opposed to a bad design.  For those of you interested, I believe
that Purolator may make the Porsche filters. 

 Chris
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:45:14 GMT

In article <EezoONa00WBME_lJoq@andrew.cmu.edu>
tf26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Truman Fenton) writes:

...discussing disk brake wear indicator...

>This is a LOT less expensive that a new car, so drop in to Midas and see
>what they say.  
>A NOTE here.  Midas offers three levels of service on brakes.

Yes, and they are all crap. DO NOT go to Midas. Their low prices are loss 
leaders, but once you get in, they will recommend a lot of overpriced parts
as their mechanics work on commission. Their "lifetime warranties" are useless
as they only cover wear items, but once you get in there, they will claim that
in order to fix the other stuff under warranty, you will need X and Y, etc.

There is no brake system out there that any good independent mechanic can't
fix, and if it's that hard, the "mechanics" at Midas can't either.

"Nobody charges more than Midas. Nooobody."

	-Kenny

p.s. - who the hell said "time for a new car" over some CV joints? Do you 
get a new car when the ashtrays get full?
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:02:41 GMT

	In reply to a reply of one of my posts:

	I congratulate you on not letting CR make your mind up for you on these
issues.  I don't get CR anymore (my dad got it for a while, but stopped.), but
last summer I saw them tell people that the Diamond Star triplets are a 
substitution for the Saturn SC.  The SC tops off at $17K, while the Diamonds
are just getting started at that range.  They are NOT the same type of car at
any stretch of the imagination.  Also, I've seen tests with Barettas (sp?)
compared with 240sx's.  They, even according to C/D, are not the same type of
car.  The Baretta has a functional back seat, and they differ on other issues,
too.  So IMHO, CR simply knows nothing about what they are talking about.


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From: scotty@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Scott Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Desision on buying 69 Camero
Keywords: Ponycar
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:39:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa


Hi,

I am serious about buying a resored 69 Camero for $6500.  The restoration 
was done by an amateur, but it looks very good.  The car has not been 
shown in competetion so I don't know how it would stack up against 
other cars.  The car looks, and drives perfect.  The owner, has recipts
for about $10,000 on the car.  All the restoration was done in 91 and
92.

The car is not completely original for example the original wheels are
replaced by aftermarket mags.  The vinyl top has been removed during the
paint restoration, and the 327 badges have not been put back on the car.  
Also the car sits 2 inches higher than stock.

The interior is complete and original accept for two extra vdo gauges on 
the console behind the gear shift.

The motor is rebuilt 15K miles ago.  The camshaft has been changed, 
headers with dual exhaust have been bolted on.

I plan to drive this car to work a couple of times per month and join a 
Camero club and take it to local meets and events on the weekend.  

SPECS.

327 motor rebuilt 15K miles ago $1400 recipts, Mild cam, new headers 
mufflers and exhaust.  TH350 Transmission. 

New everything in interior, stock 69 radio.  Looks like a showroom car.

New forest green metalic paint.  Almost perfect, $2400 recipts done in
1992. 

124379L513517 vin number.



QUESTIONS.

Ok you Chevy heads, give me some advice.  

Is the 327 a good motor for this car?

Should I hold out for a more desirable car?  Like an SS or RS?

How can I find out if this car has posi?  The owner doesn't know.

Could I resell it for $6500?

Could someone parse the vin number and send me the information?

____________________________________________________________________

I'll summarize the responses that I get.  I will make the desision on this
car probably by 11-12-92 so I need the info before then.

Thanks for all help.  


Sincerly,

Scott Griffin           email -- scotty@flash.atc.olivetti.com








Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely)
Subject: OPINION WANTED: Z-24
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:09:11 GMT
Distribution: usa

My girlfriend's car (a Chevette, pronounced "SHOVE-IT") died last
week (thrown rod).  She is considering an 86 or 87 Cavalier Z-24.
Since we are considering marriage, I think it would be a good
companion car to my not-as-practical 87 VW Cabriolet.

Does anyone have any experience with this model (2.8 V6 & auto
tranny)?  I'm looking for the good, bad, & ugly.

Also, what is a good price for one (I am thinking that 5k is the max).

Thanks in advance!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: AUTOMATICS CAN BE NICE! (Was Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!)
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:36:53 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1dku0uINNm95@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>In a previous article, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) says:
>>>> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:

   I really would like to see one of these children tell a certain
   Jim Hall, face to face, that he is a [portion of female anatomy,
   censored] because the Chaparral used an automatic.   
   Or maybe Daddy Don with one of his B+M modified Chrysler 
   Torque-Flites..?  

   But then some are so uncertain of their masculinity that any
   excuse to ATTEMPT to show same with "real he-man" blatherings
   simply can't be passed up.