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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Judge Relocation Project
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:10:47 GMT

What the hell, I need something else to occupy my copious free time. (NOT)

I'm hereby volunteering to coordinate efforts to start up a new centralized
Diplomacy Adjudicator, with an eye to replacing judge@u.washington.edu. So
far, my list of people who might be interested in starting a new central
Adjudicator is limited to someone named Lars, who I've only heard of
indirectly through Nick Fitzpatrick. Lars, if you're out there, post a
followup or drop me a note.

From comments from a few VAX-knowledgeable people, it sounds like a MicroVAX
II is even more archaic than I'd realized, which is probably why Ken was
able to find one he could totally devote to Diplomacy. Thus, it sounds like
the hardware requirements for running a judge would not actually be all that
severe. I suspect that the main resource drains, then, will be the network,
and, of course, the humans.

Given the fact that I've already volunteered to provide some of the human
resources, I'm now looking into the possibility of finding a home for an
Adjudicator here at Harvey Mudd. I think I may have found one; my current
plan is to download the judge source, see if I can install it, and go from
there. Nick, I know you've done this before; if you (or anyone else) have
any pointers about judge installation, feel free to send 'em on.

Meanwhile, anyone else interested in setting up a public judge is advised to
drop me a note, or post here. This is not a power grab, this is an attempt
to keep things vaguely organized; if someone else would like to take the
role of organisateur, feel free to speak up.

Forward, onward, upward, outward...
-- 
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Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
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several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: minelson@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark nelson)
Subject: Re: Style of Play
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 17:51:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.211031.19955@anasazi.com> ian@anasazi.com (Ian S. O
brien) writes:
>I recently started playing in a couple of games on the judge and a quest
on
>occurs to me:
>
>What percentage of play or players regularly makes use of betrayal (stab
in the
>back, unilateral violation of agreements, etc.)?
>
>As opposed to playing by making the best deals and protecting your backs
de.
>"regularly makes use of" would be described as employs this tactic once 
n a 
>game.  
>
>In all of the games I have played outside of PBeM betrayal has existed, 
nd in
>at least half of these a win was achieved without resorting to this tact
c.
>
>Just curious.  Please reply or followup with your experiences.
>
>-Ian


 Most of the best FTF and postal players argue that diplomacy is 
 a game of TRUST rather than deceit.  The best way to win is to be
 as truthful as possible.  I agree, if you are going to stab try

 to make sure that the stab does the most dammage possible.  This means
1-center stabs are a *BAD THING*.  

   Mark.
From: Hagen@gold.ucr.edu (Jeffrey Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: New Judge?
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:19:02 GMT

Anyone know where there is anothe judge on the nets?
I would like to get into a game and the judge at washington is no longer  
taking signon commands.
Thanks in advance
Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus)
Subject: Diplomacy maps
Summary: Unable to successfully retrieve maps
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:03:49 GMT

I have not been able to successfully retrieve the maps from
u.washington.edu.  That is, I can FTP them and open them with MS Word 5.0,
but all I get is header information--no map.  The file does appear to be
postscript and all of that.  As well, I am open the files as EPS.  Since I
don't have Cricket Draw or access to it, howcan I look at a and print
these maps?  Suggestions?
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complex, and more violent.  It takes a touch of    * james-holthaus@uiowa.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: dyer@rtsg.mot.com (Bill Dyer)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy Adjuciator
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:12:54 GMT

In article <vMG=A!_@engin.umich.edu> positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas) writes:
>I want to add my voice to the many others out there who are thanking Ken
>for running the Diplomacy adjuciator for so long. Thank you, Ken, and we'll
>miss you.
>
>I don't have much doubt that a new site will be found... after all, there
>are hundreds of us, and surely *someone* has a machine capable of handling
>the load. But what I'm thinking is that this move provides a golden
>opportunity to improve some things. Instead of a mail server, how about
>an interactive system? We could cannibalize code for a MUD and make it
 
 
NO!  Not everyone would have access to this type of system.  I for one
do not have any telnet access to the outside world.  I think this is 
probably this situation for a lot of people.  OK may NO! was a little 
strong.  I wouldn't be opposed to a MUD type diplomacy thing IN 
ADDITION to the e-mail based server.  

Later,

-Bill

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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Re: OK, this judge thing has me confused...
Keywords: HELP!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:58:16 GMT

In article <jggoslin.722450247@vela> jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile) writes:
>Ok, I registered with the judge and got that done right, and I then
>issued the command...
>	"SIGNON ?first <passwd>"
>and that worked too.  Now.  Both of the mails from those came back
>within the minute and I daresay within 10 seconds.  Then I looked at
>the help section a little more carefully, and noticed that there were
>a few thing I needed to do to start playing... such as get the files
>and set my prefs etc.  So I issued these orders to the judge as per
>the help...

[ lines deleted ]

>Now, I thought it may take a little while for the adjudicator to
>process this one, perhaps 5 mins or so, but most definitely not two
>days!  So I must conclude that either a) the judge didn't get my
>orders, in which case I must send them again, or b) I worded them
>wrong.  I believe it to be the latter of the two.  Could someone fill
>me in on how to do this?  What am I doing wrong?
>
>Thanx

  What happened is that I'm still getting used to running the judge.
The judge choked on some piece of mail and turned itself off rather
than making a larger mess of things. I just straightened it out and
processed all the mail. I'll set it up so that it'll scream for help
when it does this in the future so I notice it sooner.

-David
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Diplomat, a program that plays Diplomacy
Summary: It exists
Keywords: ai diplomacy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:24:40 GMT

      With all this interest in on-line Diplomacy, has anyone used 
Sarit Kraus's automated diplomacy player?  His papers, "Negotiation in
a Non-Cooperative Environment" and "Designing and Building an Automated
Negotiator" describe work done at The Hebrew University, Jerusalem.
The system was written in Ylisp, ran on a VAX/785, and communicated with
players by E-mail.  The program internally has a Prime Minister, a
Ministry of Defense (with departments), a Foreign Office (with country
desks), a Military Headquarters, and a Strategies Finder.  Took three
years to write.   

      US references include University of Maryland tech reports
UMIACS-TR 89-05 (CS-TR-2338), and UMIACS-TR-91-51 (CS-TR-2649).

      Does this thing really work?

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: EFF judge - 90 users, 10 games - adding more games
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:06:45 GMT

  The EFF judge has been up for three days and 90 users have registered.
10 games have been created and I think that five of them are full. Not
bad. 

  If anyone wants to create a new game, go ahead and we'll stop at 
20 instead of the original 10.

-David

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: New Judge and Hall of Fame
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:02:08 GMT

In article <abick.722311506@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>My question is are any of the games on
>these judges going to be part of the Hall of Fame? I'm sure that
>dedication points are not-transferable from one judge to the next, (which
>is fine, I guess) but does that mean there will be several Hall of Fames?

It is my intention that the games from all the judges (Washington, 
Australia, South Africa, the new one @eff (names people?  Cambridge
judge?  Massachussets judge?  EFF judge?  Freedom judge?), as well
as the one in Denmark, that is shut down at the moment, will
be in the Hall of Fame.  It is also my intention to add other
non-judge EP games, as these are very well documented.
If I could unload some of my duties, such as DIPL-L, and EP Chapter 
2, I could continue on with this project.


>
>I know Nick is responsible for the Hall of Fame (and he seems to post a
>lot here) but I felt this a good question which a lot of people will want
>to know. Right now, does the Hall of Fame take into account games in
>Durban, and Australia and/or does each on have their own?

No games have finished yet at either site, though the game world
at South Africa is almost there.

Nick


Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Washington Judge update - fowarded from jdr (Ken Lowe)
Originator: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:02:08 GMT

I just received the following from Ken Lowe, so I have
forwarded it to the group.  I regret that my newsfeed has
been slow lately, and incoming messages are running about 24-30 hours
late.  Is there much discussion on this issue?  (It seems outward
messages are not so slow).

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:46:58 -0800
From: Judge Dash Request <jdr@u.washington.edu>
To: loeb@geocub.greco-prog.fr, nick@SUNBURN.UWATERLOO.CA
Subject: Re:  Rest in Peace, Judge. We love you!
Cc: dipl-l%mitvma.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu

> Ken never got the appreciation he deserved, and in fact was unjustly
> criticized last month. This may have been a contributing factor to his
> departure, but the load was getting too high in any case... 

Over the Ounce squabble?  No, I thought it was rather humorous, actually.
The main factor is the fact that the system running the judge is totally
saturated and cannot continue at current rates.  The stack of mail that
I haven't been able to get to is another pretty significant factor as
well.

> Obviously for the moment game creation must be stopped in Washington.
> But I hope it will resume (taking into account some of the above
> suggestions) when the number of ongoing games falls down to 75.

No new game creations will be allowed for the time being.  My guess is
that the load will have died off enough by the June timeframe to make it 
possible to allow new games to be started.  I suspect that creation will 
be limited to respected moderators, though.

> I also think that it would not be unreasonable for Ken (or other
> Diplomacy Adjudicator Managers) to demand a small entry fee for
> participating. Even $10 per entry would add up to over $10,000 given
> the current load on the Judge. Is such a fee warranted?

I cannot accept monetary compensation for the judge due to the nature
of its development.  However, here's my canned kudos response:

If you're looking for a way to show your gratitude, I will gladly
accept a tee-shirt with your school or company logo or some other
identifying design from your part of the world.  Size medium to large
(either a large medium or a small large), colored rather than white
background, basic gray is good.  If there are other judge clientele
from your site you should contact them to see if they want to go in
on it with you before doing something on your own.  Then again, a
simple postcard saying "thanks" is sufficient as well.

-Ken Lowe
 University of Washington JE-30
 4545 15th Ave NE;  Suite 300
 Seattle,  WA  98195

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Confused about the process
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:10:12 GMT

Well, I've just found out about the pbem games, and just got into angel
in time, it seems.

I don't know if there's anything I can do to help, since I don't know
half of what everyone is talking about.  If any of you have the time,
could you explain how all this works.  i was under the impression that
a program somewhere just grabbed the incoming mail and spit out responses;
obviously it's much more labor intensive.


Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: Re: Constantinople
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:12:33 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov17.164816.3075@news.acns.nwu.edu> mark-brodsky@nwu.edu writes:
>	What exactly are the movement rules in regards to constantinople?  
>Can an army pass throught constantinople from Ankra to Bulgaria? Can a fleet  
>pass from the Black sea to the Aegean sea? Thanks much.

From the Diplomacy rules:

  KIEL AND CONSTANTINOPLE. By virtue of the waterways through
these provinces, fleets may enter them along one coast, and, on
another move, leave from the other coast. Armies may also pass into and
out of one of these provinces, freely bridging these waterways. Note that this
does not mean that pieces may jump over these spaces.

What this means: Yes, an army can pass through Constantinople from Ankara
to Bulgaria. A fleet wishing to move from the Black Sea to the Aegean
Sea must pass through Constantinople, taking two turns.


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From: ian@anasazi.com (Ian S. O'brien)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Style of Play
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:10:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.diplomacy
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA

I recently started playing in a couple of games on the judge and a question
occurs to me:

What percentage of play or players regularly makes use of betrayal (stab in the
back, unilateral violation of agreements, etc.)?

As opposed to playing by making the best deals and protecting your backside.
"regularly makes use of" would be described as employs this tactic once in a 
game.  

In all of the games I have played outside of PBeM betrayal has existed, and in
at least half of these a win was achieved without resorting to this tactic.

Just curious.  Please reply or followup with your experiences.

-Ian
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Imminent death of the Net predicted; film at 11
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:15:50 GMT

In a prior article, Nick Fitzpatrick (nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca) quotes Ken
Lowe (jdr@u.washington.edu) as writing:

> If other people want to start up their own judges, I'd say that now is
> the time to start making them public if they're not already that way.

The two public judges I know of are in Australia and South Africa. I would
be really interested in seeing a North American judge appear somewhere, but
we don't have the resources at my site to support one. I would be happy to
volunteer to work on any administrative tasks I could handle remotely,
though.

I would also suggest that it would be very beneficial if we managed to keep
the number of new judges appearing to a minimum--preferably one, but
certainly nothing like ten or twenty. One of the great things about the
Washington judge was its uniqueness: it was a central gathering point for
Diplomacy players across the continent and around the world. Scattering its
players to multiple sites will almost certainly lower both the quantity and
quality of play.

There's certainly nothing to prevent anyone who wants to from starting up
their own judge, of course, but there never was before either: the de facto
centrality of Washington made secondary efforts seem superfluous. If someone
can step forward with a fair certainty that they can set up an adjudicator
at their site, I would definitely urge others to let them do so, and see if
we can smoothly move everything from one site to another. A lot to hope for,
I know, but I think it's worth trying.

Comments, suggestions, etc. welcomed as always.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: maillet@ug.cs.dal.ca (Andre M. Maillet)
Subject: A question about PostScript.
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:53:46 GMT

Greetings to all.

	I've been looking for some small program to view the map updates 
from the judge on UNIX. I hear that PostScript should do the job. 
	Then I FTPed for it. (I've looked in several places, and have used
Archie)	I found something that is about 1MB uncompressed and is in 24 files,
none of which include anything that looks executable. 
	
	For example: part01 - part18, patches, etc. But nothing that is 
	obviously the main program.
	
	Firstly, is this what I'm looking for? If not, what AM I looking for?
Please be specific. 
	Secondly, is there a SMALLER (smallness is the key word 8^) ) 
alterative? I balk at the thought of 1MB of my 2MB account being whisked 
away on ONE program. I don't need super quality. Just something I can plan 
strategy on. 8^)
	Thirdly, would I be better off using the MS-DOS version considering my
account limitations?
	Lastly, could you explain (briefly) how to use these (suggested) 
programs? Please keep in mind that I would have mucho problems running anything
larger than 750K (500K would be ideal 8^) ) 

	I would really like to start playing by early January. Thanks for all
the advice (in advance). E-mail or posting it here is fine. I'll get it either
way, I guess. 8^)

Jazzy Tas.
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From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Diplomacy map postcards
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:48:28 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

Two years ago, at ORC Con 14 (LAX Hilton, Presidents' Day Weekend
1991), there was a guy offering complementary copies of his Dip map
postcard during the Dip tournament.  These are great for postal mail
games, but I lost his name.

Does anyone out there know how to get a hold of these postcards?

Thanx in advance,

Agitator
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: mapit instructions and the "no output" problem
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:18:52 GMT

In article <EEPER.92Nov17202943@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp> carraghe@flab.fujitsu.co.jp writes:
>I'll give you one thing from my wish list:  can a B&W
>version be hacked together?  I don't have a color PS
>printer, so no map is ever printed (this seems strange
>to me, as at least the boundaries and/or place names
>should be printed).  I tried changing all the non-Black
>color names in mapit.ps to White, but that didn't do
>anything either.

  It works fine on a normal PostScript printer and does not
require color. I ran into the same problem, but in my case,
I just had to restart the printer. If you try to print just
the map, without giving it some output from judge, I don't think
it will image anything. 

  Here's a quick "how ot use it":

	Compile mapit.c into mapit:

		cc -o mapit mapit.c

	Edit dipmap to reflect your current environment.

	Save the results from a judge "list", or move results, or ...
	to a file.

	Pipe the file through dipmap and print it.

		cat file | dipmap
		lp newfile

	dipmap will tell you the name of the output file.

	If you look at dipmap you will see the various options allowed.

-David
From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Be wary of proposing modifications to 'judge'
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:05:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: linac.V3L03#!F_
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny


I endorse David Kovar's self-nomination as judge custodian, based on
his experience in running empire games.  I'd offer hardware to
support a new judge, but I've changed jobs to a place where the
environment is a bit more serious.  (And my home machine is behind a
20kb/s link.)
__________________________________________________________
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From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Stabbing other players
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:17:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov20.051757.18635
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


In article <1992Nov17.211031.19955@anasazi.com> ian@anasazi.com (Ian S. O'brien) writes:
>I recently started playing in a couple of games on the judge and a question
>occurs to me:
>
>What percentage of play or players regularly makes use of betrayal (stab in the
>back, unilateral violation of agreements, etc.)?

I ***never*** stab my allies.  (Grin)

-Gary

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