From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:58:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
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In a previous article, jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy) says:

>In article <BxtMBv.HGA@javelin.sim.es.com> mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson) writes:
>>In article: <1992Nov13.141945.18628@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>
>>Joseph T. Malloy responds to JS:
>>
>>JS> Anyway, one of the Macintoshes biggest charms is that you do not need
>>JS> to think about such trivialities as what OS to use. You just get a
>>JS> computer. (Well, that was the origional idea. Now you get a computer,
>>JS> monitor, keyboard, etc.. Still, its better at this than the PC)
>>JS> A great many people do not really care about these techy issues.
>>
>>JM> I looked -- oh, so briefly -- longingly at one of the first Macs
>>JM> demonstrated around here in, what, 1984?  It sure seemed nifty.  But
>>JM> when I asked the salesdroid about getting the the CLI, his reaction was
>>JM> a befuddled "what?"  I finally made it clear what I meant and he finally
>>JM> made it clear to me that I couldn't.  That was the end of the Mac for
>>JM> me, never mind its outrageous price (for the 128K Mac!  MacWrite could
>>JM> hold, what, six double-spaced typed pages of test?  What a joke!) and
>>JM> closed archetecture (single source?  No, thanks!) 
>>
>>JM> With the Mac, it's either love it or leave it, the user has no choice.
>>JM> That, I susepct, keeps it in its fringe position as much as price and
>>JM> closed architecture.  Mac heads have no choice.  Windows and, even more,
>>JM> OS/2 users do have a choice.  I'll take choice any day.
>>
>>JM> Besides, those screens were so darn small!  Such bad resolution!  And
>>JM> that 90-day Apple warranty!  Reliance on dealers for service (the
>>JM> average Apple dealer in this area lasts about 2 years).  Yikes!
>>
>>JM> jmalloy@hamilton.edu
>>
>>Joseph:  If you ever graduate I'll be amazed.
>>
>>Do you wonder what Joseph would think if he saw a Mac II with a window
>>spanning both a 19" 24-bit color display and a monochrome portrait display
>>at the same time?  
>>
>>Answer (you choose)    Where's the eject button?
>>                       Does it come with a CLI?
>>                       Is extended memory standard?
>>                       Gee! That 19" color monitor is soo small.
>>                       Can I format floppies in the background?
>>                       Will it take PC adapter cards?
>>                       Where's the 5 1/4 drive?
>> 
>>
>>[MGM]
>
>Hey, to you it's Professor Malloy, Ph.D.  So much for the personal
>insult.  Don't make unfounded ASSumptions..
>
 Well Professor Malloy, he's got a point. When people make comments about
compact Macs, they generally make them ASSuming they're the only Macs
available. I'm not saying you did....

>I suppose your point is that the Mac advanced beyond its initial,
>crippled state.  Please show me where I said anything to the contrary.
>If you re-read whay I wrote, you'll see that I was recounting a story
>from the past.  The past is not the present, see?  (So, for your ability
>to read what I wrote and reason with that, I give you an F!)
>
 Yes, but you only mentioned THE PAST, not the present. There are so damned
many people who make the same ASSumptions as made above that its what we
take as you mean. Clarify next time, eh?

>The Mac you describe, alas, is still in the minority.  We're a heavily
>Macked-up campus and most of the machines available are either 512s or
>some flavor of a plus.  What has held IS back?  Cost.  The Mac, until
>very recently, was never much of a bargain.
>
 No, it wasn't a great bargain up until the end of 1990. What campus are
you on that's still using 512s or a Plus? The coloor Macs are now much more
popular than the older compact designs. Don't knock it til you've tried it.

>I usually don't return insults, but, hey, it's Usenet!  If you ever
>learn to read, it'll be amazing!  (Must be too much time diddling with
>those, um, little pictures on your Mac...)
>
 No, maybe your mind is just too fried from using a DOS prompt and lower
effeciency for the past 8 years? <As you say- its Usenet!) Once again- if
pictures are so bad, according to you, why is everyone rushing to copy
them?
>jmalloy@hamilton.edu
>
>
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