From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Degrees of racism (was Re: Caucasians don't understand)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 12:35:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.013949.3885@news.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <23594@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31.030738.29613@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Twinkie Chinkie) writes:
>>>anything, it shows that racism affects a
>>>lot of people and regardless of color and ethnicity.  Furthermore, those who
>>>have been affected will want to see that it doesn't happen to them again and
>>>work to change it.  And, it's better to talk to thse people than to people
>>>who don't care because they haven't experienced racism before and who are
>>>probably more resistant to change.
>>
>>And this is my point about separatism.  If you choose to be separatist,
>>and adopt a jingoistic "whites are evil" cant like Dodwy (like it or
>>not, that's what he's saying he's decided), you will alienate these people
>>and get neither their help nor the value of their experiences.
>>
>Whites are evil ??? I've never said that.... To borrow a phrase commonly
>used by whites who are accused of being racist....Some of my best friends are
>white...The fact is that WE are alienated anyway... If "WE" don't sit back
>and say how much we want to be like whites then we are alienating ourselves?
>I don't think so. I don't see whites trying to get to know my people by
>coming to my community or attending black colleges. I don't see whites
>coming to the dance clubs I go to but yet and still this is viewed as
>OK by whites... WHY ?? The seperatism isn't coming from us. We are 
>expected to assimilate while the same isn't true of you. That's the 
>problem I have. We are suppose to begg you to let us live next to you,
>attend your schools while you give us a hard time when we do these things.
>I don't think so.... Tell me ...when was the last time you were the only
>white person at a dance club or a course ??

  That's the catch.  They want us to be like them, but slap us if we
  get too close to them.  They want us to emulate them, adopt their
  ways, but if we do move into their neighborhoods, we find a burning
  cross there.  They want us to learn from them, study their culture,
  but if too many of us go to their colleges and break their curves,
  they get all up in arms and feel threatened and put up quotas about
  "over-represented minorities"  I suppose the model they really want
  is that of ante-bellum South, where they were served and pampered
  but doled out abuse.  That's the only way we can keep from alienating
  ourselves from them.  If we demand equality and respect, they accuse
  us of being separatist because we no longer want to lick their boots.
  In other to get "their help and the value of their experiences", we
  must defer and please.  Otherwise, we get "race war".

>
>>In addition, you will have a very hard time convincing them that you
>>aren't what they hate, i.e. racists.  The answer that Sze and Jackson
>>provide is "we don't care, it doesn't matter".  I suggest that
>>history, eastern, western, and african, suggests that "we don't care"
>>is the fastest way to a war outside of religion.
>>-- 
>You got that right. The problem is that we aren't going to take abuse by
>whites just so that we can be accepted by you...PERIOD.
>

  Notice nothing said by Mr. Jackson about "race war".  Mr. Jackson
  is demanding equal treatment, plain and simple.  Unless the Whites
  can't give and receive equal treatment without a race war.  Hmmm...
  I seem to recall a race war between the Whites and the Native
  Americans.  I guess to a White, if other groups don't take abuse,
  then it means race war.  Pretty sad...
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