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From: mcvos@cs.vu.nl (Vos MC)
Subject: Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:14:10 GMT

I'm waiting for the story that reveals that all Dooms are robots.
Made by either a mad scientist, or by Reed.
Sound interesting...


Great Greetings,
mcv


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kesidis@cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis)
Subject: Re: James Bond: Serpents tooth
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:30:26 GMT

This is an excellent mini series. Very tight writing and beautiful 
art makes this some of the best JB stuff period. I too would
like to know what the delay in #3 is all about.
-gk
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:53:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > >I like it.  So calling all whites evil small-dicked small-assed de
 > >isn't racism, nor calling orientals, say, slant-eyed micro-dicked
 > >fish-faced gooks (or any similar list of stereotyped crap you care
 > >put together) unless the person saying it is white.
 > 
 > Yep.  It's bigotry, and it's reprehensible.  But it aint racism.
 > Racism isn't an attitude; it's a system of oppression.  People are
 > not racist; they express racism.  Racism *is*.
 > Absolve?  Not at all.  The whole point of this is that
 > rightocryptofascists confuse *bigotry* -- the opinions and actions
 > of individuals -- with *racism* -- the misbegotten system -- and
 > trivialize the role of the status quo in oppression.

That's a load of crap.  This kind of thinking was invented by plainly
RACIST blacks and other minorities, who are all to willing to slap all
kinds of labels on other races and then want to turn around and defend
why it's not right to put that SAME LABEL on them.  They don't like it
any more than us Honkies do.  Lemme educate you a little bit though:

big.ot \'big-*t\ n [MF, hypocrite, bigot] : one obstinately or
    intolerantly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion

big.ot.ry \'big-*-tre-\ n : the state of mind of a bigot; also :
    behavior or beliefs ensuing from such a state of mind

rac.ism \'ra--.siz-*m\ \-s*st\ n 1: a belief that race is the primary 
   determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial
   differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 
   2: RACIALISM - rac.ist n

Your own political interpretations of English words are your own
opinions, but they have no more validity than saying the white man is
the Devil.
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:45:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

> I once had a few fellow pros over at my house, and I mentioned Usenet to
> them.  They were interested in seeing it.  So I logged on and started
> running through various headers.  Naturally the people involved wanted
> to read about those headers that applied directly to their own work.
> 
> The threads were, almost uniformly, vicious, sniping, mean-spirited and
> arrogant.  
> 
> Oddly enough, no one in that group was interested in opening up their
> own account.

Can't handle criticism, eh?

I am, of course, joking.  Still, writers are often subjected to
exremely mean-spirited criticism.  Is it ever useful to pay attention?


doug
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu ("Glenns Lf7z Roses")
Subject: Re: Sandman #45: The Good, The Mad and the Spoilers
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:30:53 GMT

In article <Bz2614.6zM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>
>>For my money, Shawn McManus has done the best work on Sandman so far.
>
>>Mike
>
>Personally, Mike Dringenberg does it for me.  After that, I'd say Coleen
>Doran.

Kelley Jones!!! Then, Jones & Jones III, and then Dringenberg and
Jones.  For one shots, Charles Vess and Mike Zulli.  I didn't care for
McManus very much.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk (Grant Doig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Fave Writers (was fave artists)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:16:53 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec15.202808.24116@news.columbia.edu>, ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
> Okay, I have just read through much of the "everybody's favorite artists" 
> thread. Therefore, I'd like to propose another question: 
> 
> Who are your favorite and least favorite writers?
> 
> 
> 
Grant Morrison

Maybe Denny O'Neil and the guy who wrote Hawkworld for a while.....cant
remember his name.........

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Flash 73:  SPOILERS!!!
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 06:06:28 GMT

I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned this yet.

In the issue of The Flash which hit the shelves today (#73), we have the 
apparent return of the one, the only...


Barry Allen!

Well, kids, whaddaya think?  Personally, I couldn't be happier.  My guess is
that he's here to stay for the long run.  It's quite possible that this is
in fact Barry.

Consider:

Barry's got time travel powers.  He could conceivably show up here, now, or
anywhen, without problem.  My guess is that Barry has returned to the 20th
century from the 30th century.  He could stay as long as he wanted, and then
could return with none the wiser.  I think it's likely that he would have used
30th century technology to remove the effects of his plastic surgery (see
the last issues of the previous Flash series).  And once Wally and Jay tell
him that he's doomed to die, he'll stick around until some "pressing need"
forces him to go back.

Or it might be something totally different.

Comments?

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:35:07 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>In <1992Dec16.123619.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>   b) There's a lot more to this Grendel than meets the eye.  Initially he
>>      looked merely quite tough, but there's a few hints in the latest issue
>>      that he must be something more:  Someone says he must have one heck of
>>      a power source to cross the ocean... several pages earlier he unplugs
>>      the bike from his boot.  The bike plugged into the boot, not the other
>>      way 'round.

>Plus, he drove off a gorilla with one punch after being hit in the chest and
>knocked several meters, and then beaten on by it for several seconds.  And
>then got up and drove away.  That's some sort of resilience.
>I wonder if he's a vampire?  Nah, that doesn't seem very plausible.

Did I just hallucinate the reference in #5 to a "nuclear soldier" or
something similar?  That would explain most of it, but since nobody
else has brought it up I'm afraid maybe I was drinking some "funny"
orange juice.
-- 
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'A' is most likely a scoundrel -- H. L. Mencken
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - Old Gods
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:53:02 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

>>Gods can choose to leave their roles if they so desire, but a lack of
>>followers does not imply a TOTAL loss of power.

>C'mon. Ishtar destroyed the last few followers of her once-great ideology
>and *poof* no more Ishtar...

Alternatively Ishtar's demise may just have had something to do with 
a building falling on her head. :-)

	Mark

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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Gaiman-McKean comic
Organization: Noisy Squids of the Poor
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:46:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.152824.9096@infonode.ingr.com> beykema@infonode.ingr.com (Maurice Beyke) writes:
>  I vaguely recall seeing something yesterday here that Gaimen and McKean
>  have a new comic out.  All details are forgotten, but if some kind soul
>  could fill me in on title and publisher, I would be greatful.  Please,
>  respond via email, as I may not be back here for a few days.

I sent this off in e-mail, but I thought I'd post it too.

OK, the book in question is Signal to Noise. The American version is
supposed to be from Dark Horse. The European version was from Target, I
believe. 

Now, I haven't seen it yet and it wasn't on the list that the distributor
sent out this week. As far as I know, it has not come out yet. Has anyone 
found a Dark Horse copy yet? 

Also, McKean and Gaiman fans should check out the AIDS insert in several
Vertigo title. It's in this week's issue of Shade. It's essentially Death
talking about AIDS. (With a special guest appearance by another Vertigo
favorite.) As a public service, I'll tell you to check it out whether you're
a fan of Gaiman and McKean or not. 

There. I've done my part.

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   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  that computer person wrote. Now that you don't
  Featuring a character   |  need it anymore, could I have your top hat for my
  created by Neil Gaiman  |  collection?" _Mr Peanut: The High Cost of Drawing_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:23:12 GMT

In article <lj53fvINN4n5@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
> 
> >        Panel 2: "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" was a popular 70s book.
> >I have no idea what it was about. 
> 
> Would you believe it was about a seagull ? 

It was a methaphorical story.  :-)  Now, who was the author?

> I believe Foglio wanted to use Dream and DC said no ...

But then he went to Neil Gaiman and he said yes...
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From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Need advice on Softcover and Hardcover collections
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:45 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada



help help


I've been forced to stop buying comics for 4-5 years.

However I can buy some hardcover and softcover and trade paperback
comic collections (5 or 6) and donate them to the library.

Before the librarian will accept a donation she needs a write-up
(or plot summary) on the book.


1) Does anyone have any suggestions of what to get?

	With the except of V for Vendetta I'm planning not to get
	any DC collections since the librarian can get a copy of
	most of the DC books by walking to a shop two blocks away.

	I thought about getting a Moebius GN but I remembered they
	are published by Epic/Marvel and should be easy to get.

	I'm also thinking about The Collegiate Hepcats and Maus I.


2) Can you give me a summary of any collections ? Or tell me the
address of the company so I can get their summary ?

Yours Sincerely,
	Julian Castle

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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Newbies (was  Re: Do we need a rec.arts.comics.sandman?)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:51:02 GMT

In article <wf_9Kfy00WBOQ1AMEg@andrew.cmu.edu> Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I don't want this to sound like a flame or anything, but some of us have
>no clue what RFD or a CFV means. Please keep in mind that when your
>explaining a procedure to someone new, acronyms son't mean a whole lot.
>Sorry. Pet peeve. (Do you know how long it took me to figure out what
>IMHO and BTW meant? My poor widdle bwain!)

Hopefully less than a month, as both are mentioned in the monthly Welcome
to r.a.c.* postings. But then, they're also in the posts in
news.announce.newusers which every newcomer to Usenet should read first
thing.

"Don't try this at home, kids.  This should be done only by trained,
professional idiots."  -- Plucky Duck 
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: billian@exchanger.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark W. Billian)
Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:22:51 GMT

The numbers along the bottom of the Spawn panels

            ie 8:0:3:1

refer to Spawns power level.  

I pickedthis up morefrom reading interviews with McFarlane before Spawn #1 came
out as opposed to picking it up from the text of the story.  Spawn is capable
of things from flying to moving planets.  Thing is some actions take more
power than others.  Trick is McFarlane said that Spawn has a limited amount of
power.  Once it is all used up, he will be no more.  Therefore, we don't see
Spawn performing incredible feats every issue. This also accounts for why a 
powered hero needs to resort to guns.  He seems to be using the power awful
quickly, but I guess wer'll see how McFarlane handles it.

Mark B.
taken to more guns and hand to hand combat lately.

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Books of Magic: Titania *not* Tim's mother
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:23:25 GMT

In article <mumble> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>Because of another matter, I sent Neil Gaiman email. Since I was doing so,
>I added a paragraph about the theory that Titania is Tim's mother being
>discussed here and that the Books of Magic RPG is supposed to confirm it.

It doesn't just confirm it, it comes right out and says it.

>In his response, he didn't say whether she was or not, but he did say that
>the RPG is *not* to be taken as canon and that the "contents are generally
>up to the standard of the drawing of Death on the cover".

Geez, I didn't even realize that was Death until I just now went and
looked at the woman figure on the cover.  Yeesh!

If he's that down on the Magic sourcebook, how does he feel about the
Sandman SB that is supposed to come out sometime in the near future?
He supposedly cowrote it so I hope he likes it a little better. 8-/

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From: aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:19:33 GMT
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>>: >
>>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
>>: 
>>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>>double standard, no?
>>
> 
>What double standard?
> 
>Hello?  Hello?  Any oppressed caucasians out there?  No?  Didn't think so.

Go to any major city (and quite a few minor ones) and check out the
disadvanteged neighborhoods or some of the areas where the homeless
live. At least some of them are caucasions. Listen to the headlines
where Serbs, Croats, and Moslems (all predominantly caucasian) are
killing each other for religious and ethnic reasons, but not because of
skin color. How about caucasian women in this country? It might be
argued that they're less oppressed than African-American women, but does
that mean they have no reason to demand equal treatment?

My point is that beign oppressed isn't just a matter of race, religion,
social or economic status, but a mixture of all the above. Oppression is
when the types in power (and this means people of any color or
persuasion) exclude or deprive members of another group of basic human
rights solely because they're different. No single racial, ethnic, or
economic group has THE claim to being oppressed. And in my opinion, no
group has a moral right to oppress anyone else regardless of what they
have suffered in the past. 

Whether ANIA is a solution, or whether Milestone is a solution to these
problems is, frankly, beyond my limited wisdom to decide. Time will tell.

   
Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Star-crossed artists and writers
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:00:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <1992Dec18.174959.9787@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>
>                    "Suddenly I just 
>                     got this kind of 
>                     mystical vision.
>                     There was this 
>                     sorta big black 
>                     bird shouting at
>                     me."
>                                     "Really?  Cool. 
>                                      What was it 
>                                      saying?"
>                                                     "DRIVE on the
>                                                      RIGHT!  You'll KILL
>                                                      us ALL!  Drive on
>                                                      the GODDAMNED *RIGHT*!
>                                                      **AAAAAAGH**!" 

I LOVED this dialogue.  It really showed Del's and Matthew's personalities.
I am ever waiting for the next issue of Sandman to come out.
-- 
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: Re: Sim, Gaiman defend Spawn,Image
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:20:12 GMT

lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>Just to add something to this:
>
>#8 (Moore) Spawn in hell. Sim mentions what Moore's hell will look like in
>   the net.interview posted to this group. It's one of my questions...
>
>#9 (Gaiman) "And Men Shall call Her Angela" is the title. Neil describes it 
>   as "lots of hitting and shouting and running around." Hmmm, I thought
>   this was Spawn goes to heaven. I suppose Angela is pretty close to 
>   Angel, though the pictures of her don't suggest an angelic nature.

	Here's my addenda:
	In #8, the plot explores not only Spawn's time in hell, but the
origin of his costume.  I presumed from this tid-bit that it's Spawn
before his Faustian shenanigans.
	In #9, the chick Angela is some kind of asassin who kills
"spawns".  Don't know if this is supposed to take place before Spawn #1
or what.  Maybe both these issues are another one of those "AARRGGHH!  
The paain!" flashbacks.
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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:01:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Favorite Writers, primary list:
-------------------------------

Alan Moore
Frank Miller
Paul Chadwick


Favorite Writers, monthlies:
----------------------------

John Byrne, sometimes (he tends to forget about plotting)
PAD, although he's slowed since the Green Hulk
Matt Wagner, when he, too, can remember about plotting



Favorite Writers, of which I have had limited exposure:
-------------------------------------------------------

Grant Morrison
Peter Milligan




Most Overrated Writer (bordering on idol worship foolishness):
--------------------------------------------------------------

Neil Gaiman
     His Sandman WAS good (the first twenty issues or so), but it has
     become dreck.



Worst Writers:
--------------

Tom DeFalco
Mark Gruenwald
Marv Wolfman
Image Babies
Anyone associated with the Death of Superman


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From: wesselak@sunc0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
Subject: Re: "idiot field" (Doomsday)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:32:54 GMT

>Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) says:

>>"Doomsday exudes an "idiot field" as his most potent power

Note:  This offense is completely useless against The Tick  :)

Erik
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:48:43 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Originator: goldfarb@lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <9212160228.AA28633@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
)(Hey, at least this ain't the GFHFW, right?)

	Well, if you're missing it, pop over to rec.arts.books, where
an outbreak is going on even now.

)Jim Drew   

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