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From: lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Apostolos Lytras)
Subject: Re: Ethernet id
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:17:18 GMT

In article <Qf09lty00WB51jQmoZ@andrew.cmu.edu> cc5d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Coates Randolph Carter) writes:
>>
>>I've seen people post some sort of unique ethernet serial numbers
>>so that if the machine is hooked to the net, the machine can be found.
>>How does one find out what these serial numbers are?
>
>One way to find this out is to reboot your computer without powering down
>and read the id from the comments that are posted to the window during
>the booting process.  I think it is an eight digit hexadecimal number.
>There is probably an easier way, but this one is sure to give you your
>number.

This question has been raised here a few times already. There *is* an
easier way. Open a Terminal (shell) window, type 'hostid'. There you
are. (Isn't this in FAQ already? )

Cheers
- A.


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	 lytras@ifi.unizh.ch   		|   Apostolos Lytras
	 lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch	|   Informatik Club der Uni
	 lytras@amiga.physik.unizh.ch  	|   Zuerich, SysAdmin
From: jk2i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jin Woo Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: **** 4Sale:NeXTStation/Printer/modem
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:57:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oezcdWS00UhWA1bMM4
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,

I have a NeXTStation/printer/modem for my personal use at home.  I
bought these for my research on Object Oriented Programming in June,
last year (1991).  

Now, my OOP research project is going to be ended in a short time, and
my new project seems to need a different computer (Mac).  Unfortunately,
I can't afford to have two computers at home.  Therefore, I would like
to sell my NeXT station with a printer and a modem. (If somebody has
Mac, and wants to trade, that will be nice too).

The system has been well maintained, and I haven't had any problem with
my system until right now.  

I don't know what is the reasonable price for the system I have right
now.  Therefore, I would like to ask anybody intersted in the system
suggest their price.  I will wait for a few days and see what I can get
for my system.  And then I will respond to all of them about the
suggested prices and the final winner.

Thank you in advance for all the people who will resond to this message,
and followings are information about my system.  I would like to sell
all of them in one deal.

Jinwoo Kim
GSIA.
Carnegie Mellon University.
tel) 412-268-3061.
fax) 412-268-7064.

 
For Sale: 
	Hardware	
		NeXTStation 8/400, 68040 (25MHz, 15 MIPS)
  17" MegaPixel Display
		NeXT 400 dpi Printer(With Toner cartridge)
		2400 data modem
		Serial cable
		SCSI Cable
 
	Software
		NS 2.0 currently loaded
  All the standard edition softwares
  All the extended Edition Softwares
    (Interface builder, Objective C, GNU Emacs/Debugger, *.kit)
		Lotus Improv and presentation Builder.
  SoftPC.
  Diagram.
  Object Oriented Programming Languages.
    (Eiffel, Franz Lisp with CLOS extenstion)
 
	Documentation
		All User docs
		All the past NeXTWorld issues
		
	Misc
		NeXT 3.5 inch 2.88meg disks (3 or so)
		All original documentation and shipping material/packages
 

Thanks again for your help and sorry about my English.

Jinwoo.
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From: mjh@cs.vu.nl (Huisjes MJ)
Subject: Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:27:49 GMT

jbernat@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Bernatowicz) writes:

} >	Sometime between Friday Nov 6th and Sunday November 8th some  
} >low-life stole my NeXT Station Color slab. It's serial number ABC0010274  
} >with a 105M internal HD and 16M RAM. Also stolen was a home-grown external  
} >HD case with a quantum 210 in it.

} This raises a question.  More than a few times when a machine has been
} stolen, I've seen people post some sort of unique ethernet serial numbers
} so that if the machine is hooked to the net, the machine can be found.  
} How does one find out what these serial numbers are?

} I've got the equipment serial numbers written down for insurance, but I
} should probably find my ethernet numbers also.  If someone could post the
} procedure for finding this info, I'd appreciate it.

Look in /usr/adm/messages.
-- 
Maarten Huisjes.	mjh@cs.vu.nl (192.31.231.42)
			(..!uunet.uu.net!cs.vu.nl!mjh)
From: mike@macadam.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NeXT 040 Cube (with 030) For Sale
Keywords: cube
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:06:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: macadam.1992Nov9.000627.5391
Distribution: usa
Organization: MACadam - NeXT Related Sales and Support

NeXT 040 Cube for sale: (030 also included)

030 AND 040 in the same box (parallel processing if you know how)
16 MB RAM total
660 MB SCSI disk
256 MB optical drive
2 250MB optical disks
17-inch mega pixel grey scale monitor
keyboard, mouse, cables, manuels

The 040 broard is brand new and is still under warranty.

This is my friend's NeXT.  He got a 660 HD.

$5000

mike@macadam.com
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From: roettig@ifi.unizh.ch (Thomas Roettig)
Subject: Re: NeXT prices 
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:35:58 GMT

In article <Bx8DHz.8F1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)  
writes:
> cop18@p107.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Kompilerpraktikum Gruppe18) writes:
> 
> >Hello,
> 
> >I recently received via the gopher-service a list of prices on  
NeXT-Computers.
> >My question to you out there : Does this price-list contain correct prices  
and
> >is VAT included on all the prices ?
> 
> 
> 
> > NeXT COMPUTERS AND PERIPHERALS
> >           6/2/92
> 
> >                                      Computer and Information Services
> >                                              125 Shepherd Laboratories
> >                                                  Minneapolis, MN 55455
> >                                                         (612) 626-4276
> 
> >Prices, specifications, and availability subject to change without 
> >notice. The Minnesota Book Center will not accept returns or exchanges 
> >for opened boxes, and will accept defective merchandise for exchange 
> >only at the discretion of the publisher.
> 
> I'm sure they were correct on 6/2/92 for students/staff at the
> University of Minnesota!  Considering you are in Germany, I would
> assume that you do not fit those criteria.  
> These prices reflect the discount that the University of Minnesota
> offers its students, it seems.
> -- 
> David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
> University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
> Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
> NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD

--
What do you want to say?

All I know is more and more people are getting theire NeXTs in the states.
This should not be happening, but as you can see from that, we are paying way  
out of bound in europe.

Gruss 
Tom
_____________________________________
Thomas Roettig
thomas@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch
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From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:32:18 GMT

> >	Sometime between Friday Nov 6th and Sunday November 8th some  
> >low-life stole my NeXT Station Color slab. It's serial number ABC0010274  
> >with a 105M internal HD and 16M RAM. Also stolen was a home-grown external  
> >HD case with a quantum 210 in it.
> 
> 
> 	You have my sympathy, but this brings up a question a friend
> 	and I were debating.
> 
> 	If a NeXT system is stolen, assuming that the owner had
> 	changed the default password, what could thief possibly 
> 	do with it?  He certainly can't log in, make a new
> 	account, whatever unless he wipes the HD and copies the 
> 	system to it--which he can't do unless he has access to 
> 	an accomplice with a NeXT to install it with (can you even
> 	do that?)
> 

I bought my NeXT from BusinessLand during their fire sale some time ago.
The people at B'Land forgot root's password.  I didn't worry about it,
thinking it was just another Unix box, and I knew Unix well.  I didn't
know about the NeXT's peculiar NetInfo arrangement at the time.

Well, it took me about 5 hours to break into the root account, and I was
embarassed because it took me so long.  I suppose I could have just
re-formatted the hard drive from the optical, but I learned a lot about
the NeXT on that first evening.

I broke in by analyzing the "/etc/rc*" startup scripts to figure out
what the machine was doing during boot-up, and from there figured out
how to change root's password.  Three or four days later I discovered
the necessary info on-line in the documentation, also.

--
Nevin Pratt, Digital Technology, Int'l    Orem, Ut
NeXTmail preferred, but ONLY at my REAL email address: nevin@dtint.dtint.com

-- 
---
root	                               root@dtint.dtint.com
Digital Technology Int.                (801)226-2984	
500 W. 1200 South, Orem UT, 84057      FAX (801) 226-8438
From: jbernat@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Bernatowicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Acquiring the Ethernet Address (was Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color)
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:27:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1992Nov11.062702.18440
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

Thank you all who sent mail and posted.  The following command worked
well:

fgrep 'Ethernet address'  /usr/adm/messages |tail

Jim Bernatowicz
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From: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: For Sale: Colour Scanner
Reply-To: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca
Organization: Prodigy Technologies Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:55:19 GMT

Epson ES-300C 24-bit flatbed colour scanner and ScanTastic scanner control  
software. Low hours and low useage on scanner. One-pass and three-pass  
scanning ability. Excellent value and very accurate scans. Asking $1100US  
or $1200CDN. I pay shipping (via UPS Ground, you pay brokerage if crossing  
international border).

If interested, please send email or call 604-687-4636 and ask for Joe  
Chin.

Joe

--
Joseph Chin				Prodigy Technologies Corp.
jchin@prodigy.bc.ca (NeXTmail welcome)	Vancouver, British Columbia
phone 16046874636 / fax 16046871671	Canada
 **** "Heaven won't take me and Hell's afraid I'll take over!" ****
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From: tony_wosnjuk@novell.com
Subject: Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:08:31 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.222449.27869@zip.eecs.umich.edu>  
jbernat@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Bernatowicz) writes:

>I've seen people post some sort of unique ethernet serial numbers
>so that if the machine is hooked to the net, the machine can be found.  
>How does one find out what these serial numbers are?


Try command  ----> /bin/hostid

hostid - set or print identifier of current host system.
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From: jonesc@ogre.CS.ORST.EDU (Cory Alan Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:29:45 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vortex.cs.orst.edu

Hi everyone--

	Sometime between Friday Nov 6th and Sunday November 8th some  
low-life stole my NeXT Station Color slab. It's serial number ABC0010274  
with a 105M internal HD and 16M RAM. Also stolen was a home-grown external  
HD case with a quantum 210 in it.

	Also missing is a cube '030 board and a yet to be determined  
number of older HD's.

	If any of you happen across any of these items, or someone wanting  
to buy a soundbox, keyboard, and monitor with a suspicious story-- please  
let me know. I'm not nearly as forgiving as the police. 

					-Clay

##############==============------------==============##############
Clayton Cowgill                         cowgilc@tsunami.cs.orst.edu  
Head Consultant                         No NeXT mail right now :-(
Oregon State University CS Dept.        Home: (503) 754-2806
Corvallis, OR 97330                     Office: (503) 737-4466
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc
From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green)
Subject: Re: Ethernet id
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:37:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.101718.7912@ifi.unizh.ch> lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Apostolos Lytras) writes:
>> [how to get ethernet addr?]
>
>This question has been raised here a few times already. There *is* an
>easier way. Open a Terminal (shell) window, type 'hostid'. There you
>are. (Isn't this in FAQ already? )

This only gives you part of the enet addr; a ethernet address is 6
bytes, hostid only returns 4.  See a program I posted in
comp.sys.next.marketplace to get the enet addr (Don't ask me why I
posted it there....that was where the thread was..)

Taken from "man 2 gethostid" : 

	The hostid is a four byte number with the first byte
    being the CPU version (only version 1 exists today) and the
    last three bytes are the last three bytes in the ethernet
    address

Follow-ups restricted to comp.sys.next.misc,
Todd
--
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From: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang)
Subject: WANTED: two 4 MB SIMMs - 1-by-32, 72 Pin for NeXTStation Color
Reply-To: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:31:01 GMT

Hi,

	If you are upgrading your NSC /Turbo with new 16 MBits SIMM, you  
might have extra 4 MB SIMMs for sale.......

	Here's what I need: (new or used)

	A pair of 4 MB SIMMs, NON-Parity, 1-by-32, 72 Pin, for Classic  
NeXTStation Color. I am looking at no more than $75/SIMM or $150 for 8 MB  
of it. Please reply with offer....

	Thanks
g
--
+----------------+
| Gary I. Chang	 |
+----------------+   NeXT-Mail: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu
Northwestern Univ.      E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
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From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Ethernet id
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:25:30 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Summary: check your /usr/adm/messages file

In your /usr/adm/messages file, you should see a line similar to:

Nov  6 15:00:37 snookles mach: en0: Ethernet address 00:00:0f:01:00:03

That should be your ethernet address.

RWW.
---
Robert W. Wong Jr.
rwong@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
"I can't even remember all the things I've forgotten." - RWW.
 

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From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Subject: NeXT software for X-10 home control widgets
Reply-To: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:04:38 GMT

Anybody interested in seeing software come to market that would provide  
an IB pallette with complete X-10 control capability (you know, the  
little Radio Shack or Sears gizmos that you plug appliances into to  
allow remote control) including scheduling, interrogation ("appliance,  
are you on or off right now?"), complex control logic, and even remote  
access via phone using DTMF?

The plan is to provide a base app as an example, but also provide the  
pallette with everything included so that you can customize the user  
interface if desired.

This is currently pre-beta (but it works already :-)) If you're  
interested, send me e-mail, and I'll add you to the mailing list. Also,  
if you have any features you'd like to see included, please let me  
know. 

John Bartley
john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: klenfest@cerberus.UWaterloo.ca (Kurt Lenfesty)
Subject: NS 3.0 for sale
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:06:33 GMT


I have extra copy NS 3.0 for US$175 plus shipping.  I live in Canada.

klenfest@zeus.UWaterloo.ca
klenfest@1308.watstar.UWaterloo.ca

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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:02:56 GMT

jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura) writes:

>Presumably the school account files will be on a file server, not on the
>local disk. And presumably the system administrator has half a brain and
>did not set NFS to give root privileges globally to any machine that
>asks for them.

>So even if Mr. or Ms. hacker does boot up a machine in root, they cannot
>wreak much of any havok since they will not be root to the NFS server.

Well, anyone who knows NFS and its crappy security knows that once
someone is root on the clients, they can simply su to any user and
act like that other user, having full access to that other user's
files.  Of course, they cannot delete en masse like they could if
the filesystems were exported root.
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NeXTstation for sale
Keywords: NeXT, UNIX, workstation
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:12:18 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University



NeXTstation	25MHz Motorola 68040 CPU
		25Mhz Motorola 56001 DSP
		400Mb Internal Hard Drive
		20Mb RAM
		17" Mono MegaPixel Monitor. Very sharp.
		NeXTSTEP 3.0 installed
		The OLD keyboard (this is a good thing)

		A developer's system, for $4,500
		I would prefer delivering somewhere in the bay area,
		but can also arrange for shipping. This machine has seen
		fairly light home use since I got NeXTs at work.

-Marcos J. Polanco
-shiva@vega.stanford.edu
-415-691-2255 (w)
-415-324-0254
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:38:06 GMT

In article <1dkeuaINNo02@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> jonesc@ogre.CS.ORST.EDU (Cory  
Alan Jones) writes:
> Hi everyone--
> 
> 	Sometime between Friday Nov 6th and Sunday November 8th some  
> low-life stole my NeXT Station Color slab. It's serial number ABC0010274  

Report stolen NeXTs to the folks at NeXT's Service Dept.  They keep
a list of machines reported as stolen if prospective buyers wish to
check up on a used machine.

Send email to Paula_Lorenz@next.com.

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)

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From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Need dealer recommendation
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:39:13 GMT


My brother will be travelling to the US soon and we're
thinking of picking up a mono slab probably without monitor.
(European prices are unbelievable...)

Therefore I need the addresses of NeXT dealers in the
San Francisco and in the Los Angeles Area.

Price info (i.e. mono slab without monitor, 250 or 400 MB disk)
is also welcome

thanks

--
Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 13 Nov 1992 20:33:51 CST
From: SALIM <U26043@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: 4 sale: serial mouse (microsoft comp)

specs:
Opto - Mechanical 3 button mouse (switchable between microsoft &pc mouse)
400dpi. Box, manual & disk included. (brand new!)
Make me a reasonable offer...
                                                  Salim lakha
                                                  u26043@uicvm.uic.edu
From: robster@mcl.ucsb.edu (Rob Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NeXT Cube for Sale
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:15:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.robster.721610107

A friend of mine who does not have Net Access wants to
sell his NeXT Cube. Here are the Specs: 

NeXT Cube - 68030
17 Mono Display
16Mb RAM 
256Mb Read/Write Optical Drive 
NeXT Step 2.1 Operating System
NeXT Step 2.1 Developer Package
various NeXT software .. (sorry, I don't know what) 

Please no flames if I spelled something wrong, I know
very little about the NeXTs :-)

Anyway, my friend is looking to get about $3500 for the machine.
Call me at 805-685-1323 or Email me if you are interested. 

Thanks..... 

Rob Jones
Univ. of California at Santa Barbara 
(UCSB -> U Can Study Buzzed) 
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From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein)
Subject: Re: Stolen NeXT Station Color
Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.222449.27869@zip.eecs.umich.edu> jbernat@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Bernatowicz) writes:
>
>This raises a question.  More than a few times when a machine has been
>stolen, I've seen people post some sort of unique ethernet serial numbers
>so that if the machine is hooked to the net, the machine can be found.  
>How does one find out what these serial numbers are?

    % grep 'Ethernet address' /private/adm/messages

should do it if you have rebooted your machine within the last week or so.
Otherwise you might have to look in /private/adm/messages.old

Or just reboot it and watch the verbose messages instead of the spinning disk.

    carl

        carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
        {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl                 cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu
                                                  clowenstein@ucsd.edu
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From: rdf@arad.ucsd.edu (Ronald D. Fellman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Wanted, a NeXT Optical Drive
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:53:40 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, University of California at San Diego

I am looking for a NeXT optical drive to replace one that broke.

Please e-mail to: rfellman@ucsd.edu
-ron fellman
Organization: Senior, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:39:05 -0500 
From: Coates Randolph Carter <cc5d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ethernet id

>
>This raises a question.  More than a few times when a machine has been
stolen, I've seen people post some sort of unique ethernet serial numbers
so that if the machine is hooked to the net, the machine can be found.
How does one find out what these serial numbers are?

One way to find this out is to reboot your computer without powering down
and read the id from the comments that are posted to the window during
the booting process.  I think it is an eight digit hexadecimal number.
There is probably an easier way, but this one is sure to give you your
number.

Coates
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