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From: gb@cup.portal.com (Greg A Buechler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: USA Tennis Players and the Olympic Village
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:45:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Regarding wimps in professional sports....

I'm not sure that the proper terminology is "wimping-out."  Now I', not going
to say that the olympics should allow pro's in the olymics, rather that all
parties (countries) should play by the same rules.  Now since the fall of
much of the eatern block has occured, there will be less pro athletes in the
olympics as a whole.  I think that in the future, all sports (tennis, basket-
ball, boxing, etc.) will be contested by amatures in the olympics.  The
great olympic experiment has failed....pros should not be allowed to compete,
period, end of statement (IMHO)

Back to the wimp issue.  As pro athletes, Tennis players and basketball 
players endure a rather hectic season of new cities, surfaces, croudds, etc.
and one of the few things that they can somewhat good about would be a level
of accomodation that is familiar.  I  think that everyone here would agree
that being on tour is very difficult.  How many of you actually have to
travel 10 or so months out of each year?

Yah, they are well paid, and yes they can afford to stay in five-star hotels,
but that's what they do.  If they play best after sleeeping on a serta "
perfect sleeper" then so be it.  WHO CARES.

Back to amature vs. pro.  I'd rather see the next generation of starts play
in the olympics.  The collegiate players could use the exposure to the
pressure and we'd have a chance to see them.


nuff said.


gb
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: strings
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:35:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <63855@cup.portal.com> gb@cup.portal.com (Greg A Buechler) writes:
>Oops, forgot one thing.  Just as pro/world cup skiiers use skiis tha resemble
>the ones we can buy in the store, I believe that most top ranked tennis pros
>use racquets that have been custom "tuned" and then painted to look like the
>ones we buy.  
>
>I do remember back a long time ago that Borg's Donnays were hand built, and 
>were strung upwards of 70lbs (these were all wood remember?)  I have serious
>doubts that any off-the-shelf racquet at the time could handle it.
>
>I could see it in my eyes, first serve - zero/zero, Toss.....Swing....
>CRACK......You'd be pulling splinters out of your scalp for days.

Most pro's use racquets off the shelf. The top professionals can afford
to have their racquets customized. As for Borg and his Donnay Borg Pro's,
being a little Borg clone in my younger days (how do you think I became
Filaman in the first place?) I had my Borg Pro's strung at 80 lbs. with
natural gut. Granted I broke a lot of strings, but I never broke any of
the six racquets I used to carry.
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From: fernande@cps.msu.edu (Jose Roberto Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: The right gripsize
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:38:57 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: fernande@atlantic.cps.msu.edu

Is there an easy way to figure out what one's ideal gripsize is (by
measuring the hand directly, say)?  Just holding the rackets in the
store doesn't seem to help.
-- 
Jose Roberto Fernandez
fernande@cps.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Opinions on tension
Originator: ajchien@picasso.dmsv.med.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:15:21 GMT


In article <1992Aug21.160704.4687@src.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:

|> 
|>     Now, I have read things to the contrary before.  For example,
|> one person had mentioned hitting with Borg's racquets many
|> years ago (he used to string conventional racquets at
|> 80 pounds.  Other people used to string it in the 50's).
|> He couldn't understand how Borg could play with those racquets.
|> They felt like boards, and the balls supposedly flew when
|> he hit it.   Borg claimed that he was able to get better
|> spin with the higher tensions.   I am wondering whether the
|> higher the tension gets the more it really does act like
|> a board, and hence it's akin to hitting with a wooden
                                                  ^^^^^^^^
|> paddle. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Funny you mention the 'wooden paddle' idea with Borg. For just
a bit of trivia Borg and his father were both table tennis 
(wooden paddles) players before Borg picked up tennis. In fact,
the story is that Borg's father won Borg's first tennis racket
in a table tennis tournament!

-Alex
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Widebodies
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:30:40 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <Rtb-X4#@engin.umich.edu>, gautam@engin.umich.edu (Gautam Singh Grover ) writes:
> This is to all tennis buffs out there: what exactly is the 
> advantage of using a widebody over a conventional racquet ?  
> 

   The main advantage is power.  At least, that's the selling
point of widebodies.  After the oversized racquets (and
other larger models) became popular in the early eighties,
people were looking for some new innovation that would
again capture the public's interest, and widebodies
seem to be it.

   I suppose by mkaing widebodies, you get more stability,
thought I'm not sure why this seems to give you more
power.   I can understand why it might provide less twist
and even why it is stiffer,  but the power aspect seems
to baffle me a little.  They do hit a bit harder, though
not necessarily without giving up a little control.

  To me, the disadvantages are that some of them feel
a bit TOO stiff, and feel "wide" and ungainly.  Esp.
some of those really wide Wilson's.   Other people who
play with spin games complain about hitting the edge which
protrudes quite a bit on widebodies.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Pro racquets
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:09:53 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Sydney

(Charles Lin) writes:
>>  Also, has anyone figured out what Petr Korda is using?
>>  Looks like a large red racquet.
<U58476@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Petr Korda (as does his compatriot, Jana Novotna) uses a racquet made by
>Volkyl.Apparently, this is a European company, & it's supposedly a popular
>name in Europe.  Hard to say what model it is, though.
>Natasha

I think you will find the brand is Volkl (maybe with an umlaut (sp?))
over the "o". Volkl also make skis - the very best skis you can
buy in many many people's minds.

graham
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From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ATP Men's Money Leaders: August 16th
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:51:20 GMT

MEN'S TENNIS LEADING MONEY WINNERS 
     (THROUGH AUGUST 16TH)
 1. Jim Courier       $1,349,140
 2. Andre Agassi        $935,484
 3. Pete Sampras        $737,372
 4. Petr Korda          $728,268
 5. Stefan Edberg       $703,274
 6. Goran Ivanisevic    $661,151
 7. Michael Chang       $594,622
 8. Michael Stich       $591,336
 9. Emilio Sanchez      $510,363
10. Carlos Costa        $497,067
 
GeSS
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From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Question for experienced stringers!!
Keywords: Stringing, help
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:19:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University

Help!!!!
I just got through strining a friend's fairly old Prince Volley 110
with Prince Endurance at what my stringing machine says is 70 lbs. The problem
is the minute cracks that appeared in the sidewalls of the frame in 
the process. I know from experience that my results are tighter than 
other people's at the same #. So is it my fault or was the racquet just old?
BTW, the racquet says 55-70 lbs. on it, and a couple weeks ago I did a 
Dunlop at 70 as well that I suspect would be about 50-60 lbs recommended.
No problems there and the racquet is great to play with now.
What to tell my friend???? I don't know him that well, we just play tennis
occasionally. AAaaarrggh!
Michael Hanslip.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: TENNIS VIDEOS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:12:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.184942.11924@wuecl.wustl.edu>, ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
> Tennis magazine is offering a free instructional tennis
> video if you subscribe the magazine for a year. The
> subscription rate is $13.97 for one year. Call the 
> magazine headquarters to find out. I forget the 800 number

Sorry about being picky, but the video isn't exactly free.
One can subscribe to that magazine for ~$10 a year WITHOUT
the video. Therefore, they are effectively charging you ~$4
for the tape :-(.
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     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Best At One vs. Better Over-all
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:25:09 GMT


Joe writes:

>>Men:
>>
>>   Most dangerous serve:     BORIS BECKER
>>   Move versatile serve:     PETE SAMPRAS
>>   Best volleys:             JOHN McENROE
>>   Best forehand:            ANDRE AGASSI
>>   Best backhand:            PETE SAMPRAS
>>   Best lobber:              MICHAEL CHANG
>>   Best overhead:            STEFAN EDBERG
>>   Best drop shot:           JOHN McENROE
>>   Best drop volley:         JOHN MCENROE
>>   Best all-court movement:  MICHAEL CHANG
>>   Best return of serve:     ANDRE AGASSI
>>
>How interesting that in this post (and some earlier  ones  I
>have  seen),  the best *player*, Jim Courier, is not thought
>to be the best at performing *any* of the  various  strokes.
>Says  a  lot  for  overall consistency and mental toughness,
>doesn't it?
>
>Joe

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Jim Courier is a tough and consistent  tennis  player,
 and type much tougher  than  any  other  player in the game
 today. That's why he is Numero Uno,  for  now.  Strokewise,
 I'm not convinced that he's got the best.

      Here is a nice analogy:  I used to co-coach  a  soccer
 team  of  8-9-year-old kids, each with above par skill, but
 nobody's outstanding.  There was an opposing team with  the
 best  fullback,  the  best  right  wingman,  and  the  best
 halfback.   The rest of their team consisted of sub-average
 players.  Having  those  best  skill  positions   did   not
 guarantee anything, we beat them  because of our balance.

      So here, Jim Courier stays at No. 1 on the strength of
 his overall consistency and mental toughness, and  yet  not
 one  stroke  can  be  called  super/best.   I  salute  him,
 definitely, for that.

      Lesson, maybe?  No one stroke can make or break it.


                                   -TEG
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Olympic champ : Marc Rosset (Switz.)
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:19:51 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

Rosset (Switzerland) , 21 years beat Jordi Arrese Spain in 5 sets in
finals.
From: shihtsun@ecn.purdue.edu (Shih-tsun Alex Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Video Tape for Tennis Training?
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:44:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Any suggestion? Thanks!!


Alex Chou
grad student
EE, Purdue Univ.
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: "Discarded" Giants (Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!)
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:11:17 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 4200335@hpcc01.corp.hp.com, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:

>A matter of opinion.  While we are at it lets add the following to our
>list:
>
>o Butler for McGee

This is a commonly cited "trade" which really isn't appropriate. They may both
have been centerfielders, but as the Giants play McGee in RF so often anyways,
I say they should have signed Butler *and* McGee, and passed on Righetti.

>o Leonard for Riles
>o Downs for nothing despite 9 wins last year

I believe Downs was 10-4 last year. This year he started out down on his luck,
receiving very little support despite some good pitching performances. However,
at the time of his release, the Downs had been pitching poorly and the Giants
felt they couldn't deal him (Downs is now getting knocked around for the A's).
The questionable part is that the Giants really didn't have someone they *had*
to make room for. They released Downs to bring up Gil Heredia, and have just
traded Heredia (2-3, 5.40) for a Class A 2nd baseman from West Palm Beach named
Brett Jenkins (.262/4/45). I don't really think you can link the ends of a chain
of trades without looking at the intermediate steps (e.g., you can't call this
a Downs for Jenkins trade; it's not clear that Heredia would never have been a 
quality ML pitcher so he needed to be given a chance).


>
>************************************************
>* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
>*                                              *
>* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
>* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
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>************************************************

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 22:24:53 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: CRY BABY: PIRATES CRUSHED 15-0

As everyone on here probably knows by now, the Braves tore the Pirates
apart at Three Rivers earlier tonight (08/14), by a score of 15-0. On
the news an interview with a Pirates player after the game was shown.
I don't know who the player was, but he accused the Braves of "running
up the score." He also charged a Braves player with trying to stretch
a single into a double.

I sympathize with any team that gets beat up by a score such as 15-0.
But what I'm surprised at is how a player on the losing team can
cry dirty pool on the winning team for taking full advantage of their
opportunities. Usually you don't hear of a team running up the score
in baseball, but I find it childish of players on losing teams that
were completely slaughtered to cry that the winning team shouldn't
have played to their potential. When you have a big lead, you can af-
ford to take more chances. I see nothing wrong with a hitter trying
to stretch a single into a double. The Pirates player also said that
the Braves "rubbed their [Pirates] nose in it."

There's no such thing as running up the score. When any team goes out
onto the playing field, that team's objective is to score as many runs
as possible to beat its opponent. The object of the game is to score
as many runs as possible so as not to get beat by your opponent. If
your team can rack up 15 runs in a game (or 17 in one inning, which
was accomplished by the Red Sox years ago) then that's great for you
and too bad, how sad for your opponent. To run up the score of a base-
ball game is impossible. Unless, of course, you were to eliminate pitch-
in and hit fungoes.

I don't know what the Pirates could be crying about. So they got crushed
by the West-leading Braves. Big deal. Those things happen. They have no-
body to blame but themselves, especially since they didn't even score
a single run. But do you know something? It has only been in recent years
that players and coaches have criticized the other team of running up the
score and playing to their full potential. Players used to laugh it off
back in the "old days." This isn't just a baseball thing, it's in all
major professional sports. In general, today's athletes are becoming too
immature. Why can't players lighten up?


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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:36:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Aug20.125800.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>In article <19801@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>> What happens if at the end of the season, three teams are tied for
>> first spot for the division. Is this  a possiblity and has this
>> ever occured before.
>> 
>> S.h
>--------------
>
>This has indeed happened before and it was resolved, I believe, by a 
>chili cook off among the respective firstbasemen on the three teams...
>
>rlwilliams@gallua

So who makes the best chili, Mark McGwire, Kent Hrbek, or Frank Thomas?

C Squared
From: wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Looking for scoring/stats program for PC
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:51:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.4903
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Company. San Diego R&D


I am trying to find a baseball score-keeping / stats keeping program
for IBM compatables. Either DOS or Windows is OK, but preferably
Windows.  It should be able to run on lap-top/notebook machines 
as well as desk-tops.

I have looked for this kind of program in various software stores
and some larger sporting goods stores but havnt found anything like
it. 

If anyone knows of such a program, either commercial or shareware,
please let me know. E-mail is preferable, as I dont always have the
time to read news.

Thanks in advance,

---------

Walt  


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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Giants
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:40:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug13.012517.29453@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.220109.16375@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>Now I know that the Dome was built with baseball in mind, but do improvements
>>need to be made before 1993 for the Giants to move in? Can anyone local to 
>>Tampopo Bay tell us what the Dome is like and what changes (if any) have
>>to be made to gear it up for the majors?
>
>I'm not local, but according to the papers, another $30 million in
>improvements are necessary before a baseball team could play there,
>including the installation of artificial turf, the completion of team
>dugouts, building scoreboards, team offices, and luxury boxes.
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

This is what we heard when The Worst Team in Baseball (tm) was
considering the move to Florida.  In addition, there is the
problem of time:  last fall, the people in Tampa Bay were
not sure that they could make the necessary improvements
in time for opening day.  There was talk at the time that
our local heroes would move in the middle of the 1992 season!
Ugh!  If the Giants deal is approved at the owners meeting
next month, maybe the six month interval before Opening Day,
1993, would be sufficient to spruce up the SlumCoast Dome.

-- 
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:06:10 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <QeWGQIC00iUy81MWt0@andrew.cmu.edu> tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:
>No way, no how is David Cone better than Doug Drabek.  Sorry, but no.

?? Did you get the names backwards here?  It should be pretty obvious
that Cone is a better pitcher than Drabek...

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From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:50:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Padres: Greg Harris returning soon
Organization: OCD IC MFG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

Greg Harris' 1st rehab start was for the High Desert Mavericks
against the Stockton Ports.  I didn't go but read about it in the
next day's Stockton Record.  He pitched 5.1 innings giving up only
1 or 2 hits and 1 or 2 walks, 0 runs.

Glad to hear the rehab has continued well at AAA.  The Padres need
him for any chance at the Braves.

I also want to make a note about how on fire Gary Sheffield is.  He
had a 9 game multi-hit streak!  On Friday night, he hit the Grand
Slam against the Reds and had a 3-run shot taken away by an
over-the-fence catch!  Then on Saturday he hit a ball that was just
foul but well back!  He now leads the league in hitting (blowing
by John Kruk), and is neck-and-neck with Daulton for RBI's and is
only 3 HR's from McGriff, for the Triple Crown!  WOW!

I hope the Padres can trade Benito for Rondel White.  That's how
bad I think Benito has become.

Howard Lynch
aka Lynch "MOB"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball