From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Anthony Rose; answering ----------->   Gordon
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science




In article <e9KT02da2eTu01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
>>with it.  It wasn't on the Trinity, but on the fact that God and
>>man are the same kind and species.  That is a more radical idea
>>than you have been criticizing anyhow, is it not?
>
>Yes, radical, and HERETICAL!  Nowhere does the Bible even entertain the
>thought that man and God are the same kind of species.  It testifies
>exactly the opposite!
>

Hardly!  But if it did, so what?  Who says the Bible is the last
word on anything?  I certainly don't accept that notion.

>>>Gordon, when I get a letter like this one you have answered with, I can
>>>see that you cannot deal with these matters.  From here you can do two
>>>things.  You can ignore them and write them off, as you seem to be doing,
>>>or you can accept them for what they are, turn to the True Jesus Christ
>>>and accept Him as you personal Savior.  He then will show you the Truth.
>>
>>Again, I find you incredibly arrogant and presumptuous.  Let me turn
>>that around and say "Tony, you can quit your false beliefs are turn
>>to the True Jesus Christ and accept Him as your personal Savior."
>>And what do you say to that?  And where does this get us?  Sheesh!
>
>I agree, gets us nowhere. Just where you want it to get us.  Because you
>are frightened where we might get if we discuss relavent issues instead of
>you attacking my character and me defending it.
>

This is not attacking your character, but your argumentation.  Please
stop being patronizing.  You are the last person I'm frightened
of.  You've made no argument that bothers me.

>>>This is the choice that you have to make now Gordon.  Other Mormons have
>>>faced the truth of these things and have accepted Jesus as their
>>>personal Savior.  Today they KNOW that they are saved! That is one thing
>>>that you can't say as a Mormon.  
>>
>>I'm afraid you just don't speak my language, Tony.  First of all,
>>Mormons believe in a universal salvation where only a tiny few
>>are not saved.
>
>When I talk about being saved, I am talking about spending eternity in
>the presence of God.  You do not believe that all but a few will do that.
>Your universal salvation is the same as resurrection and only gets
>Mormons in good standing to the position of spending eternity with God.
>

Mormons believe that almost everyone will be in the presence of God.
Only those Sons of Perdition will not.  It is those who probably will
have had to have once been Mormons in good standing.  Mormons believe
that even Tony Rose will dwell in eternity in the presence of God.  Honest.

>Everyone else gets one of the other two "kingdoms", but God is only in
>the Heaven where Mormons who have been married in the temple will spend
>eternity.

According to Joseph Smith, Christ is personally present in the Terrestrial
Kingdom and the Holy Ghost in the Telestial.  They are God.


>>Second, my interest in religion has nothing to do
>>with my wanting to be saved.  I know you probably find this almost
>>incredible to believe from your perspective, but it is really
>>true.
>
>I believe that more than you know.  I know many Mormons who are not
>interested in know Truth, they are in the church for social reasons
>only.  I respect them telling me so.
>

Indeed, I am more interested in Truth than in Salvation.

>If you reach out to the wrong Jesus, the real one will have no mercy on
>you.
>

I am sorry that you persist in this delusion.  Jesus is not some
theological bean-counter.  He doesn't insist on people being
theologically correct or approved by you.



























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