From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1992Aug14.185144.1818@eskimo.celestial.com>, 
alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
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>    But it is ENTIRELY a question of choice.  Stimulus - response.  
:		^^^^^^			^^^
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>   my emotions?  I can CHOOSE to feel any way I want to.
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>  Why would you have to make something that you can't change the most
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>important aspect of your life?  Why focus only on the negatives?  Why focus
				^^^				  ^^^^
>only on one narrow aspect of life?  It is still YOUR CHOICE what you choose
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>to focus on as being important (positives or negatives) and it is YOUR
>CHOICE how you feel.  (How you react to situations around you.)
^^^^^^^
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>....you really do choose how you feel and how you react
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>to events around you.
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>   True.  But we choose what we consider important.  We choose how
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>we react.  And we choose how we feel.  The world is not responsible
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>for your emotions.
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>Fate sucks!  So what?  What does that even have to do in the slightest
>with how you choose to feel?
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>I'll say it again..... 

Wait, let me guess...

>... You choose how you react to your stituation in life.  You
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>choose how you respond to the actions of others.  You choose how you feel.
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>-- 
>****************************************************************************
>* Dave                          *               The Alpinist               *
>* alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com *            DARE to be stoopid!           *
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					This is only a choice
					if you are not inherently so.
ATTENTION!
This is a flame. for the next sixty seconds you will read an inflammatory tone.
adjust your sets accordingly.  if this had been a real problem, you could
choose to ignore it with all your might until it kicks you in the ass.  

Control freaks obsessed with their illusion of choice in every matter
concerning their own actions are deluded and at least annoying.
They extract through oral vacuum pressure the liquid bits from dung.

People who claim that they control everything they feel through choice are
nasty when hurt.  Rather than saying "ouch" They say "I choose to accent the
positive.  I choose to feel fine.  Its ok, dogone it."  Then in
their actions and attitudes, they take out their hurt and anger sideways
on whoever is around them, then saying that if that person reacts
to their unconscious attack that the person is inferior for not 
exerecising their "choice" to ignore the attack.  The world is reduced
to a series of inputs and outputs, stimuli and response, a map to be navigated.
They have become experts on map navigation, but are lost in the actual 
territory because they ignore any part of reality, even within themselves,
which does not match their map ("_everything_ I feel is my choice").
They either make what they feel fit their views else they deny it.  The best 
way to deny is to take it out on someone else unconsciously.  The 
most successful at this strategy fall into a class people 
best termed as "Bliss Ninnies" who filter out everything negative 
(_especially_ the parts they have generated themselves) from their 
conscious perceptions, like children who think they become invisible
when they close their eyes.  

Of course, you could choose to take the positive from this situation and 
not get pissed about it, but you'll probably kick a dog when
no one is looking, or more likely, try to "help" a person whose
down by shouting at them to feel better while whining a series of 
"Why" questions which are totally condescending.  I mean reallyt, 
if ypou have all the answers ( and they are all "choice"), what are you 
doing here?  "Helping" those less fortunate than yourself?  You aren't a 
counseler-in-training I hope.  Probably not--just someone with all the answers.

BTW, I do believe that some of how I feel is a matter of choice, but my life
has gotten really screwed up as a result of buying into someone else's
beliefs that resemble those you expressed.  Itsa a mindfuck when 
someone gains your trust and then screws you over and then tells you
that its your "choice" to view it as a positive experience and that is the only
healthy choice, and totally believes in the rightness of what they are saying.

I wish I could put a smiley thing here somewhere, but I think not.
Obviously, somne of my anger is not directed at your post, but at 
other people, who I "chose" not to be angry at until I ended up in 
the hospital from all that anger and hurt tht I "didn't have."  Of
course, the people who taught me this won,derful coping tactic are quite
wealthy and happy.  They deal with it by occasionally wrecking people's 
homes, shooting people, driving people to suicidal behavior (some successful)
and oh yeah, most important, denying all this to themselves and others, 
"choosing" instead to look at only the positive. Chickenfuckers.

I don't think that everything is negative, but I know for myself that
everything, even about myself, is not under my control.  I leave that for the 
gods and goddesses out there who choose to believe in control
over all.

Excuse me, I've chosen to feel nauseous.

rich
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