From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The pentagram
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 18:09:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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9209.09 e.v.


Erin (or a friend of said Erin...) writes about my criticism of 
'correct-worldview' verbage:

I really don't want to sound accusatory here, but this
kind of negative nit picking seems as if it could somewhat
counter-productive. If someone is not communicating an idea
under the terms of consensus-definitions (such as using a
the term, "consensus-definitions"), and if I think that it
is a signifigant enough of a dilema, I usually find that
neutrally offering the information gives the idea a better
chance of incorporation into the other person's "mental
warehouse."


Response:

You are quite correct.  Often this is the case.
     

Erin +:

I'm not thinking that it's "too hot in the kitchen."
In fact, when someone is trying to point out by-products
of a HATE MACHINE (even it's a very small machine, it can
still be very potent once it grows,) the person who says,
"well if you can't take the heat..." is often the person
who is feeling the heat and in turn, suggest the source of
the really hot heat leave...(even if it's only a fireman)
     

Response:

I don't understand to what you refer.


Erin +:

I'm aware that I tend to champion (in my own feeble 
way) the seemingly smallest of causes. I do think that it's
pertinent to Occult studies. If we train ourselves to be
exact enough, and develop the kind of discrimination that
devotes our energies to proper growth and propagation, it
SEEMS that it can only aid us on our path.


Response:

While I don't know what kinds of growth and propagation are
'proper', I tend to agree.
        

Erin +:

Did someone say that sin is restriction? A lot
of people have. Restriction of what? How does one go about
restricting? Can it be done many ways? Is it anything like
the milk commercial on T.V. where the cool, accepted kid
tells the unsure nerdy kid that he's doing it all wrong
because he brought a bag lunch? "you're in Junior High now."


Response:

Well, Nuit (through Aiwass/Crowley) said that 'The word of Sin is
Restriction' in _Liber Al Vel Legis_.  I'd say it refers to
restriction generally.  Nondualism has its decided advantages.
The ideas of 'wrong' and 'right' presuppose restriction, yes.


Erin +:

To me that quote says a lot. That kind of communication has
it's place. Is that place here? (that is a sincere question)
I know that this is a REALLY LONG post. I've spent a lot of
time reading past posts, and this tiny little seed has
germinated many times... it kind of seems like a prickly
weed. (yes, to me) I think it's worth the self examination
if nothing else.


Response:

My intent is not to restrict, it is to inform.  When I see someone
use the term 'inverted' to mean a point-down pentacle, then I tend
to assume that they are ignorant or fundamentalist.  I think that
many others do likewise.  It is equivalent to stating categorically
that North is the REAL up. 


Erin +:

Does anyone remember how dissapointed Merlin was in, EXCALIBUR
when he found that Morgana's magic was riddled with bat's eyes?
She became very powerful, but never weeded her garden... just
fed the weeds. Fiction don't mean it aint real.


Response:

Yes, though I don't think either was superior.  She did, after all,
capture HIM.  In my favorite version of this, Merlin finds Nimue's
magick so entrancing that he submits to it and vanishes from the
world until it needs him once more.  She was his INITIATRIX, not
his captor. ;>


Thyagi
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