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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Superman should die!!!
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:05:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.205053.8931@iscsvax.uni.edu> steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>     So all of you who think this is the dumbest thing ever to happen, because
>we all know they will bring him back, this could change the industry in a
>positive way.  So please don't whine about this just being a stunt.  It is the
>best thing that could have happened to the industry.

Uh-uh. Not hardly. I can think of one way, right off the top of
my head, that this could have been *much* better.

DC could have gone to a *good* writer and said, "We want to kill
Superman. We want him to die like a hero, taking six issues to do
it, so it'll build some (dramatic and sales) momentum. We want it
to be convincing, but we want enough wiggle-room that we can
bring him back in a year without looking like total assholes. We
want it comics-code approved (no necrophilia, Alan)."  Most
writers would have jumped at the chance. That kind of exposure
doesn't come along every day.

Look at the talent to draw on... Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Grant
Morrison, and Neil Gaiman have all worked for DC at one time or
another (two of them are working for DC *right now*). Any of them
could have done a great job at this. Result?  All those people
who're reading a comic for the first time in years would be
reading a *good* comic, not that Dupesday crap. Just maybe they'd
buy another comic next week.

Hell, they could have taken a real risk and asked an outsider to
do it.  Someone like Eisner, or Sim, or Los Bros Hernandez.
Unlikely, given the stakes involved, but I'd've killed for their
takes on Superman's death.

Hell, Superman deserved better than this. I just hope that my
death is better written.
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Bernie Wrightson
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:44:39 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

could someone please tell me if the man, the master, Berni Wrightson is doing
anything in the near future.  I have a voracious appetite for his work and this
craving must be slaked.  I would also like to know if anyone knows where I
could order any of Wrightson's "House of Mystery" or "House of Secrets" work
from.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Mazzucchelli?
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:00:33 GMT

mazzucchelli is working on an annual book called
rubber blanket. i believe he may actually publishing
this as well as writing and drawing featuress for the
book, but i have not read it, so i don't know. the
second issue was released not too long ago.
btw, this is magazine size.                  
russ fischer
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From: lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Organization: The Endless Squid of the Poor
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:58:16 GMT


In <1ea1auINNh6o@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

>	Each issue so far has featured one of the Endless reminiscing
>about Destruction. Gaiman's been starting with the younger ones, and
>moving towards the older ones. The brief present-day scene of Destruction
>in part 3 is in about the right place in the storyline to be Destruction's
>installment.

Curse me for a novice! I missed this pattern. Do you think it significant 
that we bypassed Desire? Is the order slightly off? I don't have the issues
with me, but I thought that Despair recalls the plague years before Delirium
recalls the meeting with the Prodigal on Earth.

>	I have an odd feeling that that sick dancer is pregnant. Just
>why, I'm not certain. One could hardly have a briefer human life than
>that of an aborted fetus.

Way back when, someone told us that at one point Neil considered writing
an issue of Sandman (or was it Miracleman?) that dealt with abortion. 
His reason for not doing it, as I recall, was that it would attract a lot
of ugly controversy. That you couldn't do anything on the subject without
drawing flack from one or both sides of the political debate no matter how
good a story you told.

My own guess was that the dancer was just drugged out. The lettering 
for her seemed to indicate that she was using some sort of drug. Her
mind being receptive to Delirium's contact also suggests she might be
using something. 

It does sound like she's been sick before. Perhaps she does have morning 
sickness. (A stripper's odd schedule could make it evening sickness.) Of
course, there's no reason why she couldn't be both pregnant and doing drugs.
A pregnancy ending in a miscarriage would also represent a brief life.

ObDigression:
I was looking through one of Fiddlers' Green's (GKC that is) collections
and there was a very nice "Ballade of Destruction." Nothing relevant, but
I liked the title. 
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Quick! Get behind me! I don't know what a
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  little peanut like you could do to so upset
     Absinthe makes the    |  him, but it looks like Doomsday really wants 
      time grow softer     |  to kill you"    _Mr Peanut meets Superman_
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stryfe
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:43:31 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <19309@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cs30f189@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>Who is this character Stryfe anyway?  Is he Cable's twin or something?
>						

Yeah. Twins. That's the ticket ...

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: A-Ko@cyberweb.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: But what about Cable?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:42:53 PST


Is Cable gonna turn out to be Nathan Summers, or is Stryfe?  And what (other
than infecting the kid with the technovirus) does Aocalypse have to do with
all of this?  Continuity has always been a problem with the post-Byrne X-folk
anyway.  Whatever happened to that Phoenix/Rachel limited series?
From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wolverine 65 - Silverfox Dead? (Not quite)
Keywords: Harumph.
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:25:14 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1eiufoINNcfr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:
>
>
>Let's stop and think for just one moment...
>
>Why would Aldo Ferro want to kill one of the very people he had been trying
>to emulate the genetic structure of for so long?  It's obvious (and I think
>he said at one point) that he wanted to lure them there to speed his genetic
>code cracking up a little by studying them directly.  So let's assume Silverfox
>is still alive...
>
>What does SHIELD have to gain from somebody like Silverfox who had a very
>close connection with HYDRA?  Very much, I'd say.  What does SHIELD have to
>gain by keeping Wolvie under control and on their side by faking the cabin
>scenes (again) to placate his memories conflict and letting him go on 
>believing she is dead? Also very much.
>
>
Forgot something... 

Aldo Ferro already has Sabertooth; he wouldn't need Silverfox. Maybe he done 
that part to have Sabertooth on his side; Silverfox then become a cannon fodder.

Also, Wolverine being what he is, I think Fury wouldn't take that kind of risk.

I think that Hama deliberatly killed Silverfox because he couldn't cope, in the
Marvel's editorial restraints, with the consequences that would ensue if she was to live.

Daniel Roy
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From: edsverk@ed4000-2.lerc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Lee Atchinson)
Subject: Give a newsfeed to Marvel!!
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:52:48 GMT

My suggestion: Give Lee and company a newsfeed to this group.
It would be a *wonderful* way for the artists to interface and
get ideas for characters, etc.  I have just been following the
X-Men:TAS thread and it seems that Marvel could gleam an inkling
as to what the public felt about the series.  Even though this
is limited (100+ readers of this newsgroup vs 100,000+ readers
of the magazine) it's still a good idea.  

Then again, that would be too much like right.

BTW - Does anyone else feel that Marvel should change the way
it does subscriptions.  It seems that their subscription office
uses 60's technology and 50's mentality.  Why not create an
"account" whereby you 1) feed money into the account and 2) Marvel
deduct comics from the account as they are delivered.  It would
save the hassle of have 12-20 different subscriptions, accounts,
etc.  And the possibility would open up for Annuals to be sent
by mail as part of the subscription, instead of me going to the
store to get it.

That was my $0.02 worth. 

-- 
Kenneth Lee Atchinson
edsverk@lerc.nasa.gov

Standard disclaimers apply.
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: the NAM
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:48:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Does any one out there read "the NAM"  my very first issue #71 I read it and
got hooked. the stories are pretty real with different names during the Vietnam
War, ever since that day I bought back issues.  How many people out there read 
the NAM?.  I find that the stories are more realistic than other comics such
as Superman and those other comics.  I do not believe in buying comics and not reading them.  




To whom it may concern take your dishes down and feed the dogs.
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Cutioner's Song Report Card
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:25:49 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Suppose we give letter grades for what we thought of specific issues
and a + or a - for good or bad art.  My opinion would be

Unc. X-Men #294  B
X-Factor #84     B+
X-Men #14        B
X-Force #16      A+
Unc. X-Men #295  B
X-Factor #85     A
X-Men #15        C+
X-Force #17      A+
Unc. X-Men #296  A
X-Factor #86     B+
X-Men #16        B

Average (so far) B+

(Just to put things in perspective:

Excalibur #59    F-
Excalibur #60    D)


Stories with a lot of characters are a challenge for writers.
X-Factor #85, X-Force #17 and Uncanny X-Men #296 were good because they
focused on (what has turned out to be) the main characters, Bishop,
Wolverine, Cable, Scott, Jean and Stryfe.  The other issues suffered
because the writers tried to ensure that all the characters took part
and it seemed forced.  I'm amazed that X-Force #16 worked as well as it
did.

How about that?  No *SPOILERS*! :)

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From: wart@ocf.berkeley.edu (Warren Chiang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: s
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:25:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ucb
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just a test

Warren
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From: ellie@santafe.santafe.edu (Ellie Perelson)
Subject: Re: Kitty's Age (was: a few more movie cast ideas)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:22:40 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
	<1992Nov18.203702.24668@u.washington.edu>



>   jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
>   How about Wynona Rider for this part?  Anybody remember her in
>   _Real_Genius_?

I do hope you don't think that Wynona Rider played the character Jordan 
in 'Real Genius'.  I don't think that was her.  I don't recall Wynona
anywhere in the movie.  If I am wrong, forgive me.  It is my error.

As for Wynona playing Kitty, it's a possibility...

Ellie


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From: gtm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Gareth Torrey Munger)
Subject: Re: Who's the best leader?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:42:21 GMT

	well I will give my two cents worth

	Cyclops:  He as a rod such up his ***.  Wont do what really needs to
			be done sometimes. ie he is a goody-goody

	Storm:	She would have been my choice around xmen 210 but now
		she is just a weather witch with no personality.  I mean
		she didn't even notice that Archangle was have problems
		with his personality.

	Havok:  Same problem as Cyclops.  It must run in that Summer gene
		but then again Cable seem pretty die hard.

	Cannonball:  I personally think he is the most underrated of the
			mutant leaders.  I agree he does not have much
			experience but he has more potential that all
			of the above combined.


P.S.  PAD when is Havok going to loosen up alittle.  I mean that guy is
	going to have a heart attack with he is 40 at the rate he is
	going.

Ramblings from the...

Tigerdragon
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet! (SPOILERS)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:28:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:

>For those who haven't read it, here's a summary of issue #65:
>(God, I hope this thing works!)
(It works for me!)
>



































>(Just in case...)

>This issue starts with Wolvie fighting an holographic projection of Sabertooth,
>where he can feel the pain. As Jubilee puts it, it's like punching a brick wall: you have to feel it for it to work.

Guess that's why *I* don't go for brick-punching.

>Wolverine gets hit real hard (his jaw is dislocated, and his eyeball is out);
> before he hits back, Jean Grey arrives.

What's up with this?? I know Logan has his healing factor, but I *don't*
believe somebody knocked his eyeball out and he just stuck it back in and
it healed!!!!!
(I though that was "Terror"'s MO.)

>His body keeps healing up outside, but it doesn't do nothing for the pain inside his soul. (Isn't it great?!)
>Wolverine is then brought by SHIELD to... the cabin!

Yeah. They keep him *blindfolded* on the way, because the location is
supposed to be a secret, then they just *leave* him to find his own way
home!!??! (Hey, all you armchair secret agents, what's wrong with this
scenerio??)

>He finally makes peace with himself, knowing that the happiest moments of his 
>life are indeed real.

Then he vows to come back to this "top secret" location every spring!
Hah!!

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
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From: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver Question
Reply-To: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:25:57 GMT


>In <97689@netnews.upenn.edu> fhuang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (EL FUMON) writes:
>
>
>   So if Quicksilver of X-Factor possesses superhuman speed, how is verbal
>communication between him and others possible? Let me explain what I'm
>trying to ask. You see, other's speech would seem like 45's played at
>33 speed while his own speech would seem like it was being played at 78
>speed. What gives? 
>

Ahhh, who knows?  How does the Invisible Woman see?  How is the Wasp heard
by anyone other than dogs?

About Cyclops's eye beams, if you want to get picky... I think OHTMU calls them
concussive force (an impossibility).  Just use the old Marvel stand-by
explanation...his eyes are a dimensional gateway that releases an other-
dimensional substance.  Ta-da!  Problem solved!  :)

//Josh



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From: yoav@athena.mit.edu (Yoav O. Yerushalmi)
Subject: Re: Cyclops and Recoil?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:49:33 GMT

In article <83697@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
|> I apologize... I've missed the original post and just caught this
|> little smidgen (no stated author...)
|> 
|> >>Welll...in any of those cases, there really _is_ recoil, they just get
|> >>around it.  Recoilless rifles vent gases out the back to balance, so
|> >>Scott would have to fire a beam out of the back of his head at the same
|> >>time he shot one out of his eyes to use this.
|> >
|> So pardon me if I cover any rehashed material here, but recoil only applies
|> to KINETIC energy.  A change in mass MUST occur.  
|> 
|> Scott's optic blasts are... well... NOT kinetic.  No kinetic energy,
|> no recoil.  Simple as that.

Well, actullay, recoil can occur due to optic blasts. Assuming they are composed
of some sort of EM wave, light has momentum, conservation of momentum requires a
change of momentum in his head...

  My favorite is still the wormhole through his eyes explanation though...
From: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM (zombie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Give a newsfeed to Marvel!!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:05:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com

In article 25352@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov,  edsverk@ed4000-2.lerc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Lee Atchinson) writes:
>My suggestion: Give Lee and company a newsfeed to this group.
>It would be a *wonderful* way for the artists to interface and
>get ideas for characters, etc.  I have just been following the
>X-Men:TAS thread and it seems that Marvel could gleam an inkling
                                                 ^^^^^
glean  =;^)

>as to what the public felt about the series.  Even though this
>is limited (100+ readers of this newsgroup vs 100,000+ readers

100+ readers?  Sounds *low* to me.  I would be willing to bet
the number is much larger.  How many lurkers are out there anyway?  
I know I was one for over a year on r.a.c.  Any way to tell?

>of the magazine) it's still a good idea.

I agree!
 
>
>Then again, that would be too much like right.
>
>BTW - Does anyone else feel that Marvel should change the way
>it does subscriptions.  It seems that their subscription office
>uses 60's technology and 50's mentality.  Why not create an
>"account" whereby you 1) feed money into the account and 2) Marvel
>deduct comics from the account as they are delivered.  It would
>save the hassle of have 12-20 different subscriptions, accounts,
>etc.  And the possibility would open up for Annuals to be sent
>by mail as part of the subscription, instead of me going to the
>store to get it.

I also think that their subscription process sucks.  Not only are the
problems above valid, but also:

1)  They often arrive bent/damaged
2)  They arrive about a month after the comics hit the stores.  If I
    have a subscription, I should have the priority, just like other
    magazines.  For instance, R&T arrives several weeks prior to the 
    stores.

>
>That was my $0.02 worth. 
>
>-- 
>Kenneth Lee Atchinson
>edsverk@lerc.nasa.gov
>
>Standard disclaimers apply.



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From: Jason.H.York@dartmouth.edu (Jason H. York)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cast Women for X-Movie
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:36:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


 I'm a newbie, so excuse me if I offend in any way.But, reading the
cast lists, I just had to put my two cents worth in (hopefully it's
worth more than that.)
Kitty - Kathy Ireland
Rogue - Cindy Crawford ( I think she would be better as this character
vs. Jean)
Jean/Marvel Girl- Elle ( This is mostly my friend's idea)
Storm - Grace Jones (There can be no other)
Dazzler - Michelle Phifer (Did you see her moves in Batman Returns?)
Psylocke - Tia Carrere? (From Wayne's World- Couldn't think of anybody
else)
Ice Queen/Erma Frost - Baywatch Girl (the one that was in Playboy-
again my friend's idea)
 
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:45:26 -0500 
From: Chris Holly <maverick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Quicksilver Question
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 15-Nov-92 Quicksilver
Question EL FUMON@eniac.seas.upen (569)


>    So if Quicksilver of X-Factor possesses superhuman speed, how is verbal
> communication between him and others possible? Let me explain what I'm
> trying to ask. You see, other's speech would seem like 45's played at
> 33 speed while his own speech would seem like it was being played at 78
> speed. What gives? 

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

>    Also, how about James Marshall as Iceman in the hypothetical X-Men 
> cast? 
>    Manute Bol in a Mister Fantastic cameo appearance? ;D Jamie Lee
> Curtis as Nightcrawler? ;D

> -bogueman

Just because Quicksiliver can move at superhuman speed, doesn't mean he
has to all of the time.   Concievably, he could probally talk faster
than any other human being....  He just doesn't.   Think of it this way.
 When you walk and talk at the same time, does your voice sound an
slower than when you run your fastest and talk at the same time?  Of
course not.  Niether does Jesse Robinson's or Carl Lewis's.  So why
should Pietro's?

	-Chris Holly (The Maverick)
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From: dtgordon@unix1.tcd.ie (Damian Gordon)
Subject: X-men Movie Casting
Keywords: Magneto, Patrick McGoohan
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:22:12 GMT


	What about Patrick McGoohan is Magneto ?
	I think he's just about weird enough !!11!
		
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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver Question
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:54:42 GMT

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
>Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I'm sorry.  X-Factor #87 is out in December.  
>>PAD
>
>Am I missing something...?

yeah.....That is the Real Peter David. Current writer of X-factor.
That is why he knows when X-Factor #87 is slated to be released.

Wake up. Petey has been posting for like almost 2 years now.

Jester
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From: 6500topo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rabid Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Brief History of Sentinels [LONG]
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:46:45 GMT


Wait, am I missing something? What about the Sentinels that
destroy the Reavers and appear in the first bishop  storyline?
Did you mention those?

Thanx for the information, anyway.

Rat

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