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From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Subject: Re: Best undercover car
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:36:32 GMT

In <1992Dec15.202401.17969@draco.macsch.com> jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier) writes:

>In article <1gfujjINN1lq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) says:
>>>Houston Police Department has several Camaros for highway traffic enforcement
>>>(complete with those silver 5 spoke rims, your tax dollars at work!), and I've
>>>seen Harris County sheriff's in the same.  Nothing tops that Jersey Village K9
>>>unit I've seen.   An open Jeep CJ-7 with all the police trims (paint, decals,
>>>light bar).  Looks hilarious!  Almost drove off 290 into a ditch when I saw 
>>>that thing doing 50 in the fast lane...
>>
>>my home town (mt. vernon) has also the camaero.  Along the lines of the
>>jeep..the city where i used to go to college had a suzuki samarai with all
>>the decals, light bar,etc..it was rather amusing too..
>>DREW

>The university where I went, Washington University in St. Louis, used to
>have Cushmans for the campus police, with lights and everything.  Now
>they have Tauri, which are probably a bit more difficult to maneuver
>on the walkways.

	The bestundercover cars I've ever seen are something like:
	1. MB300E AMG (160mph+!)
	2. Lancia Delta HF Integrale (AWD, 6.6sec 0-100kph)
	3. Ford Sierra Cosworth (140mph+!)
	4. Opel Calibra 4x4 16V
	5. Ford Transit Van (3.0l, less than 9sec 0-100kph)

	...All in use by Finland's highway patrol... *shrug*

-Henri


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From: rkast2+@pitt.edu (Rajiv K Agrawala)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:43:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bz4EAM.9AK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>
>	How about anything on a 1975-82 F-car?
>
>
>-- 
> Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu

Lesseee...I roomed with a guy with a 78(?) Firebird TA. The Cragar SS
wheels were nice, but not in fluorescent green paint which showed
runs.. Also, the entire body was sprayed with dull black (I later
found this was primer), and then sections were done with neon green.
The screaming chicken was removed with paint remover; I don't know if
that counts for or against. Actually a cheap F-body in all-black
primer sounds interesting, especially since laser radar might not pick
it up. Anyway, he sold it (thankfully) to his best friend because the
frame was rotted. Some friend, eh? He replaced it with....a van.....He
put two large amp-speakers in the back (I pulled my back muscles
trying to help him carry one out to his van!), and mattresses,
Christmas lights, and chick posters.....tastelessness risen to a new
art form.....

P.S.-When you say "anything", I assume you also mean the car itself...
:-)
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\==================================================/ anything else. Thanks.
From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Elvis in HotDogMobile!!!
Summary: :-)
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:45:05 GMT
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <420031@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
> Yes, there are still a few around... they used to hand out little 
> red weiner wistles.. I hear these are collectable now.


You didn't actually *blow* that red weiner did you? ;-) :^) :^)
                      
                                          
                     
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                     | David Gunsul       
                     | dcg@mogun.uucp      
                     |------------------------------------------------
                     |  It's amazing what $2,500 worth of big block
                     |  will do to $60,000 worth of high technology.
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:26:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <92349.151334CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>We are thinking of selling our 4 x 4 truck, and Prelude Honda auto. And buying
>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides nice
>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
>Audi does who else.


--Subaru makes the Legacy Sports Sedan and Touring Wagon.  These are the high
  performance Legacys, about the size of an Audi 90.  They come fully loaded
  with all options.  The powerplant is a 160 bhp 2.2 litre flat four, not
  among the smoothest powerplants, but a torquey unit.  The all wheel drive
  system is full time and is electronically controlled; it is similar in 
  concept to the 4-Matic all wheel drive system on the Mercedes 300E, another
  car with full-time all wheel drive.  ABS is also standard.  These cars 
  sticker for around $20-22K, but you probably could find a leftover '92
  for less than $20K.  Just keep in mind that the upholstery in the '92s 
  was cheap; the '93 is an improvement.

--Even better is the Subaru SVX, a two-door GT coupe.  It is Subaru's
  flagship.  It has a 3.3 litre 233 bhp flat six mated to a four speed
  automatic transmission; this combination is among the world's best for
  refinement.  This car is a competitor of the Lexus SC300 and Acura Legend
  Coupe;  the press claims the SVX to be very competitive with these cars.
  You can definitely find a leftover '92 in the low twenties.

--The Mercedes 300E is another choice, if you want to spend $50K, but the  
  Audi V8 4.2 or the Audi S4 is a better bet for that kind of money.

--Aamir Qazi

P.S. For less than $20K, the lesser Subaru Legacys are your best bet if you
    don't plan on spending much.

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Does Undercoating Only Still Exist?
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:00:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


There are plenty of rust proofing companies out there willing to drill
a couple of dozen holes in your car as part of the application
process, but do any apply undercoating only?

After the bad experience I had with the above, I'm willing to write
them off the "drillers".  But I still believe there may be some value
in coating only the underside of the car.  I think wheel wells now
have either plastic or some other non-corrosive liner, so they
wouldn't benefit from this application.

-- 
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                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Speed traps
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:06:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <6094@naucse.cse.nau.edu>, rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
|> Since we are on the subject, and approaching the holidays where people
|> might be doing a bunch of cross country driving, thought I'd throw
|> out the following...
|> 
|> For those of you planning on whizzing across Arizona on I-40 or I-10,
|> Arizona Highway Patrol LOVE to use "wolf packs".  What they do is
|> to string out 5 to 10 cars over a 15 mile stretch or so.  What most
|> people do is see the first car (usually with someone pulled over)
|> and think - aha - out here in the middle of the desert that's the
|> only cop for 100 miles - let's hit it.  Then WHAM - they get you
|> 2 miles further down the road. etc for about 10 miles..

 Texas DPS Troopers do the same but in pairs and the distance is more
 1/2 mile.  That way your detector is still yelping but, unless you 
 have a Valentine 1, you think its from the guy you just passed.

 I've seen this in Georgia too about 10 years ago.

 TRAVIS
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SHO Electrical Troubles
Date: 10 Dec 92 14:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >>My 90 SHO mysteriously died once again.  My wife just called me to inform that
  >>it does not start.  It does not even crank and there is no clicking noise
  >>either.
  >>
  >>After 2nd Motorcraft battery died on me last August, I had put an 1000CCA
  >>after market battery in it.  But I suspect for some obscure reason, after
  >>12-15 months of service, batteries in SHO just quit.

My battery died in much the same way a few months back.  It was the ORIGINAL
Motorcraft battery, and the car is an '89.  Think they last more then a year,
but much more...  I installed a battery that has (I think) 660 CCA, seems to
of run it fine since then.  I had my mechanic check out the electrical and
charging system since then, and it was fine.  I suspect the problem lies more
with the Motorcraft battery then the SHO charging system.

- Dave Bonds 
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Subarus and water in the oil
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:28:31 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore

In rec.autos, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:

|
| I have a 1987 Subaru GL 3-door Coupe with 4WD.  I recently brought
| it to the shop convinced that it had a bad head gasket.  There
| was foam inside the oil filler cap and a constant coolant
| smell.  Much to my surprise, there is merely a hose leak
| near the manifold.  Obviously, I'm not complaining but I do
| wonder at the explaination for the foamy oil.  I was told that
| its common to get condensation in these engines (flat 4).
| Anyone else heard of or run into this? 
|
| E-mail would be greatly appreciated...
| Margot (mprisco@cat.syr.edu)
| --
| "I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
|   Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
|                                          - David Crosby

Do you only drive short distances?  If so, this could be a source of
condensation.  You need to raise the oil temp sufficiently to drive out the
water ie take a long drive once a week, and drive hard (aka Italian
treatment).  My (Alfa) flat-4 does not suffer from this, but then, I drive it 
hard.

good luck
lawrence
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From: djanzen@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Montgomery Janzen)
Subject: emissions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:26:34 GMT




I took my 1985 Toyota Corolla in for emissions testing today. Here are my results. 

	Engine		max	reading		units
HC	idle		500.00	116.00		ppm
	loaded		500.00	44.00		ppm
CO	idle		5.00	0.00		%
	loaded		3.00	0.00		%
NOx	loaded		2540.00	2777.00		ppm
	idle		?	?

I passed on the first two tests, but I failed the NOx test.  I have been told that this could be a result of a faulty EGR valve, or a failed catalytic converter.  Could there be any other possibilities?  How can I test my EGR valve?  I am a poor student and i'd like to spend as little money as possible.  I have some knowlege of engines, but mostly on older domestics (late 60's).  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
	Derek Janzen

djanzen@sfu.ca

	



From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:16:32 GMT
Subject: EXPLORER vs GMC/CHEVY?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

My wife and I are looking for a 2x4 utility vehicle with 4 doors as
we're a family of four with a 3 1/2 year old and 4 week old infant.

She *really* likes the Ford Explorer although I'm not impressed with
the prices or quality of paint. The Nissen Pathfiders have harsh ride
and lack power while the Toyota 4Runners are expensive and besides I
don't think they're available as 2x4s. The Jeep Cherokee has rather
harsh ride for rear passengers while the Grand Cherokee is way too
much money for what we're looking for. The Trooper is ungainly looking
and so that brings me to the Chevy S10 Blazer and GMC S15 Jimmy which
are identical clones. Is there any difference is size between the 2DR
and 4DR GM variants? Seems to me that the 4DR is a little longer, but
that might be an illusion on my part. :-) They are, however, quite a
bit cheaper than the Explorer and I don't think you give up that much
opting for the GM trucks with 4.3L V6 and automatics, right?

All comments would be appreciated! Please post so as to share it with
other netters.

Graeme Harrison
San Jose, CA
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: DMV: Use fee
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:46:38 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"This is nonsense. Sales tax is typically owed to your home
	state, not the state of purchase."

That's backwards.  Try to avoid paying sales tax in the next state
by waving your proof of residence.  It doesn't work.

Oregon is one of the few states without a sales tax.  The government
wants us to bend over and accept one.  One of their talking points is
that it would let us soak the tourists.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
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From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:37:19 GMT

> The Japanese logos are all SO unimaginative:  I think Subaru and Mazda are the
> only two that have any badge other than the first initial of the company.  

I understand (perhaps wrongly) that Subaru's logo is the stars of tarus which
the name Subaru is somehow connected with in Japanese.

I don't understand what Mazda's new logo is. I always just liked the way
their name was printed in stylized letters.

On a personal note, I *hate* car badges (especially dealership badges), I
think that Mercedes leans in the right direction by only placing the little
tri-star logo and the model number on the car (My girlfriend claims that the
U.S. Mercedes are more crapped up than the Home market models...I don't know).

Beware of the smoking low-riding yugo with the "turbo" badge.

						-ks

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cited again!(kinda)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:26:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division

In article <1992Dec14.224742.7824@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) writes:
> -Had a nice 'run in' with a police officer yesterday afternoon.
> I was driving on 390N just South of Rochester, 4 of us in my black
> T-Bird.  Traffic was moving very briskly, close to 70 I'd say.
> I was in the left lane, creeping by cars to my right, when I pulled
> up behind a white Mercury Grand Marquis.  It was stock looking,
> save the visible rear stabilizer(larger), and was totally unmarked.
> No lights on the rear deck, no antennae, etc.  The teardrop spotlight
> usually tips me off, but this had nothing.  So the driver pulls to the 
> right to let me by.  Not liking lurking in people's blind spots, I accelerated
> past the car, and pulled in a few cars ahead.  Upon passing, I looked over to
> see a man in police uniform, wearing a portable.  Oooops...
> He immediately followed(tailgating very closely) me, so I pulled over
> to the right lane, to see if he needed to get by.  No such luck.
> After he tailgated me for a bit, I decided to pull over to see what the
> problem was, why his lights werent on, or why he wasn't even gesturing
> me to pull over, just sitting inches away from bumper sticker.  Finally,
> a little red light appeared on the dash, and wig-wags came on.  
> After coming to a stop, I placed my hands on the steering wheel
> Conversation as follows:
> 
> Everything went be rather quickly, and I didn't even catch what kind of officer
> he was.  Uniform was navy, so it wasn't a State Trooper, I didn't think RPD 
> cruised the 390.  Anyway, I guess I got lucky, 75 in a 55 would be a 4 point violation.  Maybe he was impressed that I didn't frantically rip my radar detector
> from my visor...
> 

I'd report the license plate number to the *REAL* police, just in case.

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From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Subject: Re: K&T Motorsports phone no?
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:10:20 GMT
Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

In article <5741@gold.gvg.tek.com> jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
>Does anyone have the phone number for K&T Motorsports?

K T Motorsports
71 Voorheesville Ave
Voorheesville, NY 12186
518-765-2206

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From: att (Bob R)
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Organization: nnn
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.132437.12886@bsu-ucs>, 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> 	I agree with the decision.  I factory only builds cars 
> for about half the year.  I also think that the Corvette and 
> F-bodies should all be councelled.   There is very little demand
> for sportscars, that aren't fuel-efficient (All 3 cars usually
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Baloney!!! I have a '92 LT1 (V8) vette...  on a recent round trip (720
miles at 63 mph, rolling terrain) the fuel efficiency averaged 28.1 mpg.
That is almost as good as my 4-cylinder VW.

> have V-8 engines).  The General should conentrate on family cars
> and compact cars.  The F-Bodies and Corvettes are a waste of time
> and money !!!!
> B. Daneils

Yah, this just is flame-bait...

In article <1992Dec10.233023.15200@osf.org>, kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
> 
> PROVIDED this ain't flame-bait, or a terminal left logged in, you really need
> to get a clue. 
>
> You can get 25MPG in a modern 8. I rented a Caddy when I went to Chicago a
> while back, and at those times I didn't have my foot in it up to the knee
> (passing all the inept, passive Chicago drivers at 6 MPG) the display
> constantly showed 19-26 MPG.
> 
> 	-Kenny

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From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Flying speed traps
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:27:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor

In article <1992Dec14.090741.19765@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>sml@plato.ds.boeing.com (Stuart Lewis) writes:
>: 
>: So.... get this, *every* *single* ticket that a ground officer
>: writes without personal verification is "hearsay evidence" in any
>: court in the nation.  It's inadmissable and grounds for dismissal
>: for anyone who chooses to challenge it in court.
>
>Only his testimony is. The testimony of the officer in the air, who
>determined your speed, is making direct testimony. I expect that the
>judge is going to believe the officer - rather than you.
>

In California, both the airborne and the rolling officers must appear
at trials for Maule'd (or Cessna'd) drivers.  The flier says, "I timed
a green Datsun at 83 MPH" and passed him off to car 36, which I recognized
by the big number on its roof".  The driver says, "I stopped a green Datsun,
ABC123, and cited Bill Nelson".  No hearsay here.

Phil

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From: phelps@miki.pictel.com (Dan Phelps)
Subject: ford ranger 4cyl
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:16:48 GMT



In article <1992Dec10.192411.10410@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> you write:
>
>
>I'm considering buying a new 1993 small pickup truck. I'm looking at
>4-cylinders- Fords, Nissans, Toyotas ...
>
>I've heard some people say that Ford doesn't make good 4-cylinder
>engines and I'd be better off paying a little more for a Japanese
>made 4-cylinder. Anyone out there had any real bad problems with
>Ford 4-cylinders namely the Ranger ?
>Also, anyone with a Ranger how does it ride and are you happy with it ?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian W.
>

I have a 4cyl. Ranger and have had 0 problems since I bought it. It is
an 89 and I bought it used in 1991 with 12,000 miles on it. It now has 
close to 25,000 miles showing. If I had it to do over again I would still
by a ranger, but I would opt for the v6 instead of the 4. The 4 is underpowered
for this truck. The gas mileage difference would be very small. My father has
a 92 ranger 4.0 v6 and gets about 21 mpg highway, this is about what I am 
seeing on the highway as well. (although I drive quite a bit faster than my 
father does.

As for the ride, my truck did not have any anti-sway bars when I purchased
it. The ride was o.k. in a straight line, but turn a corner at even a relatively
slow speed and there was lots of body roll. I installed aftermarket larger than 
stock bars front and rear along with Rancho RS5000 shocks at each corner, and 
the cornering performance increased rather dramatically. My fathers ranger came
with a stock front bar and no rear bar. His truck rides and handles very good too.

I intend to lower my truck with lower front coils and dearched rear springs and 
to upgrade the wheels and tires to 15" wider profile rubber. I am also planning to
add a free flowing exhaust and a header pocket book permitting. Given that I already
own this truck and do not intend to purchase another for quite some time, I am 
trying to get all the perfomance I can from it. (Ford Motosports has some goodies 
that maybe in my trucks future)

I would highly recommend a ranger to anyone looking for a small inexpensive
truck. The 93s have been restyled and have a more aerodynamic look to them, but
do yourself a favor and get the small v6 which they offer.

Oh, one other thing, I have to run super unleaded in my truck, it pings rather
badly with regular unleaded. My dad's ranger will run on just about anything
without complaining. 


Good Luck,

-Dan


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