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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re: Big East Bowl Preview)
Keywords: Ralphie
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:44:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.215122.12038@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>A real brouhaha brewing at the Fiesta Bowl is the attempt by the bowl to
>keep Colorado's famous mascot Ralphie from doing her traditional romp
>around the field before each half starts.  So far, one official has
>claimed that it's an issue of public safety, saying [and I paraphrase]
>"just one wrong turn and it could be a very dangerous situation."
>Others have apparently raised the question of whether the natural field
>at Arizona State's field would be damaged.

The Denver Post reported today that an agreement has been reached to
allow Ralphie to run before the game.  The one sentence report didn't
say whether or not she would also run before the second half; does the
Fiesta Bowl have one of those interminable half-time shows with a cast
of thousands?

Back now to your regularly scheduled trivia and Hwy. 6 roll call.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: PSU Update.. J.T. Morris leaves team
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:42:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.044926.19869@icf.hrb.com> mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
> J.T. Morris has withdrawm from school and will transfer. He cited lack of
> playing time as his reason for leaving. He more than likely, would have been 
> the starting fullback next year. Go figure..-- 

Some call it fullback, some call it blocking back.  Maybe he wants to go to
a team where he will do more than deck some linebacker, while all those PSU
halfbacks get the glory.  Same goes for protecting the QB.  Can't blame him
if that's the case.

> 
> 
>                                                               Mike Kelley
>                                                               HRB Systems
>                                                               St. College, Pa.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 03:12:22 GMT

In article <frank-181292091323@158.186.226.156>, frank@mail.lds.loral.com
(Ron Frank) wrote:

> It sounds to me like YOU have a problem!  If you can't take the heat, get
> out of the kitchen.  Its a given that fans will be fans.  Part of the
> excitement about college football stems from supporting your team and
> belittling the opponent.

Is part of the heat having your car keyed? Is it acceptable for fans to
cheer when the opposing team loses a player to injury? is it acceptable
for them to actually *hope* for an injury? I saw that in what I would
call "reasonable" 'noles.

Maybe that's from the extreme, maybe I don't hang around with the 
"average" student. Of course, most of 'em couldn't identify me as
an Aggie last year before (and after, for that matter) the CBowl.
Even tho I wore tshirts with aTm and "Aggies" and "Aggieland".

In fact, I got more comments from Auburn and Florida fans than
Noles. Generally complimentary, too.

I can't say that I've ever belittled an opponent. Even now, I'm pretty
sure that A&M can handle ND. But I'm also sure that ND can handle A&M.

> the vocal ones) may not be considering NU a threat, doesn't mean all us
> Seminoles are.  Its going to be a hard fought game, and a more exciting one
> to watch than the Hurricane blowout in the Sugar Bowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's put it this way: do you think NU has a chance? any chance?

Didn't think so. 

James - I do, tho. And I don't think Miami will blowout Bama.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Copper, Freedom
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:52:24 GMT

	Well, all the WAC doubters out there are probably crawling
	under rocks by now...congrats to Fresno St and Utah for
	proving they belong with the best.  Too bad Utah couldn't
	pull off the win after coming sooo close, but they made an
	impressive show in any case.  I truly thought the Pac10
	would stomp yesterday, and I'm pleasantly suprised.  8^)
	No thanks to evil ESPN for preventing me from seeing another
	great game!  >8^(  

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BTW, I don't change my ranks till they're all over - no flames^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: jpd@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas A&M
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:34:12 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: jpd@camino.austin.ibm.com





In article <1992Dec20.201803.24422@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
> The Dallas Morning News reported this morning that the Texas A&M football 
> program is involved in a fedral investigation of a university benifactor who 
> allegedly has made payements of $400 twice a month to five football players.  
> The payments were for services rendered as maintainace workers at HUD funded 
> housing projects.
> 
> If true, the allegations could spell prison for the booster (Uncle Sam doesn't 
> take kindly to being bilked by non-congress types) and could subject the A&M 
> football squad to the NCAA "death penalty."
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This can't be true can it?  aTm subject to the DEATH PENALTY, as in the same
one that SMU got?  Doesn't this seem a bit severe for a couple of grand a
month to a small number of players?  Wow.


> 
> I hope for A&M's sake it all blows over.
> 
>      - Pat
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: UN: Bowls, ND, FSU
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 01:31:48 GMT

In article <13690.382.uupcb@brent.uucp> al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo)  writes:
>During the Stanford-Penn State game the announcers mentioned that
>Bill Walsh had given a scholarship to a placekicker. Hmm. 
>
>I wonder if Bobby Bowden might learn something there.
>
>
>(I know you don't have enough scholarships Bobby, but if you find an
>outstanding kicker he can start for all four of his scholarship years.
>Many of your players receieve scholarships for five years and are
>lucky to start for two of those.)

Well, for your information, Bowden _does_ have a kicker on scholarship. This
is John Wimberly. Simply put, Wimberly sucks eggs. Giving a scholarship to a
kicker does _NOT_ mean he's gonna all of the sudden start breaking records or
anything. By the way, take a look a place kicker Dan Mowery's last four games.
He has missed (I think) only one extra point (which was blocked) and one FG
(I think). Considering all the damn TD's that FSU has made in the last four
games, Mowery has gotten a considerable amount of kicking done, and done 
pretty well. Next year he should, hopefully, do ok...and Wimberly will have
graduated (thank God).

>
>
>Congratulations to Notre Dame for being able to run the football down
>the throat of a tough Texas A&M defense. Still, someone should have
>questioned Holtz when he boasted that they were playing the best
>football of anyone in the last five games. (Why did NBC send Dockery
>to Miami?)

Yeah, I kinda had to laugh when he said that. Granted, he has been able to
run the ball on some teams, but none of these teams had any sort of real quik
strike offensive capabilities. Let him play a Miami, FSU, or even Syracuse, 
and things could be very different. All three of these teams have very solid
run defenses, and can put the ball up in the air well. ND has struggled 
against teams that can pass, as a result of their mostly inadequate secondary.

>
>Yes Lou, you did play five straight games versus ranked teams, but let
>us look at those teams now. 
>
>1) You ran up the score on BC. Big deal, the Eagles only win in their
>last four games was versus Army, and they weren't competitive versus
>Syracuse, or Tennesee either.
>
>2) 7-5 Penn State won't be ranked in any other poll besides Sagarin's, 
>   and needed to last gasp plays to beat them at home. BYU, and Stanford
>    convincingly beat the Lions in the same time period.
>
>3) 6-5-1 USC lost four of their last five. Notre Dame let that game
>   come down to last minute as well.
>
>4) 12-1 Texas A&M - ND's one big accomplishment. Does that mean you are
>playing better than anyone else???  There are some other teams that
>have had some big wins as well. (Alabama, FSU, Stanford)
>---
> . DeLuxe. 1.21 #11688 . al.sorhaindo@execnet.com
>                                                                                                                             

Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kansas Help Needed!!!
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:14:08 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Dec22.152128.12538@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) writes:
>Now wait a minute.  I've been to Lawrence; it wasn't flat and I didn't
>see any wheat, tornadoes, or the Wizard of Oz.  I guess that means
>KU isn't in Kansas.
>
So I didn't put any smilies in that paragraph.  Next time you're in
the state, look around.  I'm sure you'll see plenty of wheat, go to
the western half of the state and the Flint Hills disappear, for
tornadoes come in the spring time, as for the Wizard go to a store.
Oh.....:-)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject:  ~~~~~~ BYU BOWL RECORD: 1-6-1 ~~~~~~~
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 22:30:29 GMT


	For the past few years, BYU players have not enjoyed their trips to
Hawaii and they have not enjoyed their post season games either.  Although
they played well, they always came home short.  What is the problem?  
Believe it or not, Univ. of Utah has not lost a bowl game for the past 28 
years (record: 0-0-0).


JLi

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Kansas TD play legal?
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:23:05 GMT

jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>Well, it was a good game to kick off a week of bowls... very 
>entertaining, right from the opening kickoff, literally.  But
>I was just wondering, was I the only one who thought that the
>"lateral" on Kansas' first TD play was really a forward pass?
>I've seen it replayed many times but haven't heard anyone else
>even question it.  I had no rooting interest in the game... just
>curious if anyone else saw it the way I did.

	In case you haven't heard:

1) There is no instant replay in college football!

2) A single forward pass from behind the line of scrimage is allowed
	in college football, which is what KU did!

3) TOUCHDOWN, Jayhawks!!!!


	Congratulations to the blue and red for a really great year!!
I hope you get better next year and beat both the huskers and the
black scourge from Boulder.
						soONEr born!!!,
						 (having fun saying
						  rock chalk KU!)
						      --Sid

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: news.rice.edu (mls)
Subject: sportswriters (was Texas A&M)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: rice U.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:55:39 GMT

When the SWC is left whimpering on the ground like a beaten dog thanks to
the Dallas Morning News (and don't forget the Dallas Morning Herald!), we
should send a note to those papers saying, Congratulations! You have helped
kill the SWC by making news instead of just reporting it!  Now what are you
going to write about??????? 

For the record, the Houston Chronicle did put the article about the
allegations against A&M on the front page of the sports section, but they
did have a "snippet" about the story right under the front page headline
story about Somalia....It's nice to know our sports program ranks right up
there with world hunger!

mls
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Up and Coming Data
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:04:55 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <C051ny.9BG@andy.bgsu.edu> hasley@andy.bgsu.edu (John Hasley) writes:
>
>Last year I promised to take a look at how the blue-chip players do over
>their careers (taking the USA Today 1st and 2nd team All-Americans as
>a sample).  Before I submit a request from the fans of the various teams
>for information on their freshman year, I would like to ask for comments
>on the scoring system.  Here's what I have.  *Constructive* comments
>would be appreciated.
>
>----------------
>Scoring:
>5 All-American (1 or 2)
>4 All-Conference of Honorable Mention All-american
>3 Starter
>2 Second String
>1 Spot Player  (special teams, perhaps part-time second-string)
>0 Did not Play (for whatever reason)
>(please append a 'c' if the player was a team captain)
>
>-- 
>John C. Hasley
>University Computer Services    INTERNET: hasley@bgsu.edu
>Bowling Green State University  UUCP:     ...!osu-cis!bgsuvax!hasley
>Bowling Green, Ohio             Ma Bell:  (419) 372-9989

How about including rank in the NFL draft.

First round 4.0 - 5.0; the decimal part to be calculated based on position
                       in the first round, e.g. 14th pick = 4.5  ( 14/28 )

Second round 3.0 - 4.0; e.g. 7th pick = 3.75

etc...

This score would then be added to the college score.

--
Mike Cornwall
mike@spss.com
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: WAC vs. PAC10 Bowl Day
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?





FREEDOM BOWL: Fresno St 24  U$C 7

This was an old-fashioned whupping that U$C got. They got their butts
handed to them by a Bulldog team that physically manhandled the Trojans
at the line of scrimmage. ~30000 FSU fans made the trip down to Anaheim
to watch the Bulldogs run the ball down the throats of the USC defense
for 220+ yds. Pregame comments by the USC QB Rob Johnson that FSU didn't
belong on the field with USC and that they [USC] would never have 
scheduled FSU had it not been for a Bowl game didn't go down well in the
FSU locker room. 

Larry Smith's job is in serious danger here. The U$C alumni were out for
blood after the UCLA loss, and then the ND game didn't help any, and 
now this.


COPPER BOWL: Wash St 31  Utah 28

The Cougars were lucky to escape with a victory. Utah had 1st & goal 
at the 5 yd line with 4 mins to go, and couldn't score on 3 downs. I still
don't understand why Utah coach McBride didn't go for the TD (and the win)
on 4th and 4 with 3 mins to go. Instead, he opted for a tying FG which 
was missed. WSU got the ball back on the 20 yd line and ran out the clock 
on them. If he had gone for the TD and missed, WSU is deep in its own 
territory and would have had a tougher time picking up 1st downs and
running out the clock. A tie in a bowl game is meaningless.

But give credit to the Utah coach and players who played well after a
nervous start and were being run over by Bledsoe and co.



The WAC has done pretty well in the Bowl games so far. Their 2 losses have
been by 3 pts each, and the win was an impressive one.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: ~~~~~~ BYU BOWL RECORD: 1-6-1 ~~~~~~~
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:57:13 GMT

>	For the past few years, BYU players have not enjoyed their trips to
>Hawaii and they have not enjoyed their post season games either.  Although
>they played well, they always came home short.  What is the problem?  
	Husker syndrome?  8^)
>Believe it or not, Univ. of Utah has not lost a bowl game for the past 28 
>years (record: 0-0-0).      i^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
	I'm hoping this trend continues in the Copper Bowl.  This one is 
	a nasty mismatch, but both teams will be flying the football and
	anything is possible with the odd match-up.  Washington State
	will be pissed and Utah is gonna take this holiday gift as far as
	they can.  Will Santa be kind to Utah (is it Utes?) this year?  
>
>JLi
	Go Utes!
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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ND gets Farmer
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com


The Univ of Scum Sucking Pigs (Notre Dame) has received a verbal
commitment from one of the top FBs in the nation, Robert Farmer 
from Bolingbrook IL.  Farmer currently plays halfback,  but at 6'1"
215 lbs,  he will probably be a fullback.  Looks like Holtz will 
be able to replace Bettis if he turns pro this year.


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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:39:15 GMT

TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:

>Are you suggesting that Larry Smith should be replaced?

In all honesty, I'm surprised that the USC fans aren't screaming for it to 
happen.

>Howard(? The previous coach) was fired right after he lost to ND in 1986 
>38:37, after leading 37:20 in 4Q. I think that's 1 of the reasons that he was 
>fired.

The man's name is Ted Tolner.  And the other reason he was fired (besides 
sporting a record of 0-4 against Notre Dame) was that he sported a record of 
1-3 against UCLA.  No credit was given to the fact that he inherrited a program
with a three year NCAA penalty . . .

     - Pat
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Ron Powles-Berwick,Pa.  National Champs
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:50:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.140842.19875@icf.hrb.com> rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH) writes:
> In talking about recruits this year, one stand out is Ron Powles from
>Berwick, PA. He is a good size kid and damn can he throw the ball. His
>choices so far are Miami, Notre Dame and Penn State. You should see this kid
>out of the shot-gun, not bad at all. I don't think he will go to PSU though,
>I can't see good old Joe "run the ball" Paterno using the shotgun alot.
>Later
>                                               Murph
>                                            


Powles is one of the top high school QBs.  I wasn't aware that he'd 
dropped Michigan from his list.  Damn.  He's supposed to be a good 
prospect.
---
Steve

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: SEC does it again!!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:29:25 GMT


Well, with the exception of MSU blowing a 14 point lead :-( , the SEC proved
to be the dominant conference for football.  

And I will even congratulate Alabama for the National championship.  Like em'
or not, they beat everyone, including Miami -- thus, undisputed NC.

David


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