From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; AIDS in Iran [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:22:10 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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> >Sehari> Finally, maybe a High tax (some where around %90 of
> >income) on all the Sehari> un-married people over 21 could
> >force our people to Sehari> lower their expectations and get
> >married.

> >- How should the economical problems of people who do not
> >get married because of that reason be solved? I can guess
> >that this is really the main reason.
> 
> The economic problems are there married or not married. It should be
> solved for everyone.  What I am saying is lets start solving other
> problems, at the same time.  Hey I never said there is no economical
> problems, nor did I said the economy does not have anything to do with
> it.  What I am suggesting is that it might be too late for many people
> to wait until the better economic conditions.  You know, humans do not
> live for ever, we have 60 good years to live, if we live to live it all!
> Further more, married people have a better chance of making it.  

You should realize that a whole family has more expenses
than a single boy or girl, if you really want to realize it.
You do not need to be professor in mathematic or economy to
see that if as an example the father of the family can
hardly pay for 2 of his unmarried and unemployed boys, it is
not reasonable that he can pay for their wives and children.
The same argument is true even for single people with low
income.

As I said before, your proposal does not seem serious but
I suspect that you try to cover the fact that the authorities
have defeated to supply the least conditions for young
people to make it possible for them to have a job and make a
family. People have married and made families in thousands of
years without needing laws and punishments. It is an
instinct in the human being and animals. Its better to think
why it does not work now. What is the reason that you need
laws to get one of the most fundamental instincts to work?
It is as funny as to say: "A high rate tax would force the
people who do not eat enough food with vitamins to ..."


> >- Was there such a law in the time of Mohammad? Why did not
> >he come with such a law. Is there some punishment in some
> >region for single people? Or people always have get married
> >when they wanted and when they could manage the economical
> >consequences of marriage. Do you feel that you are
> >completing other religions or you are coming with a new one?
> 
> No.  Nor there was law for drivers license, or there was a law for city
> zones.  These laws has nothing to do with religion.

I'm sorry, you mix different things here. There was no
automobiles in that time, otherwise there should be laws
about it, but there where boys and girls in that time and
there is enough laws to cover each aspect of marriage
divorce, and all details about that.  But you have right if
you say that the problem did not exist in that time. Yes, in
our time and in our country, the problem is in its greatest
form. But try to cure the disease, do not fight with the
symptoms. Not in that way.

> >- Why has this problem grown in such a big dimension in the
> >recent years? Why has people becoming s} "bad" that they do
> >not want to get married? Do you really think that it is
> >because of influence of the western civilization? In that
> >case, is their such problems in western countries?
> 
> Well, I tend to think it was started during 70s in the Shah's time.
> People started to demand higher and higher standard from their mates.
> Sometimes, these standards were unreasonably high that could not be
> met by regular people anymore.  This has resulted in problems, since then.
> The Single rate has steadily increased since then, due to several reasons
> such as war, economy, political unrest, so on.  It is very hard for people
> to down grade their expectation as fast.  However, when we come out of this
> recession; people should be much fitter.  As if the nature plays its game
> over and over again to find the finest.  This true for almost all countries.
> However, the swings might be smaller in some places and larger at other
> places.

I agree with you about this attitude in our society and
that it is not a new phenomena that people demand high
standards about their mates. But it was the parents who
insisted on it in the most cases. But very young people
tended to make their choice independently and in that case,
it was the love which was the most important factor and
nothing else, you know surely how young boys and girls
thing.  Beyond the factors you have described about
increasing of the single rate, you should realize the
following facts:

1- Young people, specially the girls have less chance
(freedom) to make their own choice independently now. They
are not allowed to see each other and make a choice.

2- People have been more and more materialistic than under
Shah's time, (I do not mean the philosophical aspect of this
word but the fact that money has been more and more an
important factor in people's life and their relationship).
It is a very interesting paradox to think about!

3- Now, more than under Shah's time, one of the most secure
ways to get an acceptable level of life is to marry with a
boy and girl with strong economy or from a rich family. Nothing
have getting better in this aspect, but worse.

> >- Somewhere you have mentioned that you wish to have your
> >own lab to experiment. Do you think that the society is your
> >lab as well? What will happen if your experiments does not
> >succeed and result to additional catastrophic results?  Who
> >is responsible in that case? You? the people?
> >  
> 
> No.  But I have asked this question from many people, who seem to
> want to experiment with other nations. 
!!!?????

> 
> >- How can one say that the individual is responsible to what
> >he does, if all of her life (or at least the most important
> >decisions) are forced by punishments and by authorities?
> 
> This is a good philosophical question, but it is not related here.

The relation is that in your way to think about the society
people are treated as a group of non-intelligent mass. Some
elite (?) must decide for them and control all of details in
their lives by laws and punishment.

Punishments should be used only against criminals.

/Majid

 
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