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From: dwayne@stratsft.uucp (Dwayne Bailey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: HPIB for MCA?
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:29:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Strategic Software, Redford, Michigan

In article <1992Aug20.002052.11642@eng.ufl.edu> jc@joker.mil.ufl.edu (Jim Castleberry) writes:
>I need an MCA bus HP-IB (IEEE-488) card.  Anyone know where I
>can find one?
>

National Instruments of Austin, TX produce a whole line of GPIB (IEEE 488)
boards, including one for MCA bus.  There are others available as well, such
as from IOTech in Cleveland, OH.  The National Instruments board is more
expensive than the others, but well worth it in my opinion.  They use a custom
ASIC rather than the standard NEC 7210.  They also use another ASIC in
conjunction with it, the TURBO-488, which greatly simplifies the life of
anyone witing low-level drivers for the thing.  (Believe me, I know all too
well, being in the process of doing so now!).

Std disclaimer:  I have no ties with National Instruments, IOTech, or any
other GPIB board vendor.  These opinions are exclusively MINE!

-- 
dwayne@stratsft            + The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its
Dwayne Bailey              + teaching should, therefore, be regarded
Strategic Software         + as a criminal offence.
Redford, Michigan          + -- E. W. Dijkstra (1982)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
Subject: Re: Upgrade PS/2 to a "Cray-like" performance
Reply-To: rmshair@chgvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Champaign
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:39:15 GMT

jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (doc) writes:

>shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) writes:
>
>>Well, I AM in sales, and since my customer (U of Ill) has asked,
>>it's priced at $32,500.  
>
>I could buy an AS/400 for that and probably have enough left over for a
>new car.  (Well, maybe not) :)
>
You certainly could.  It would do an excellent job of transaction    
processing, accounting, and office work.
Neither the AS/400 nor the car, however, will provide anything like
100 MFLOPS of sustained performance. 
--

Bob Shair                          shair@chgvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
Scientific Computing Specialist    SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet)
IBM Champaign
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
Subject: Re: Upgrade PS/2 to a "Cray-like" performance
Reply-To: rmshair@chgvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Champaign
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:30:13 GMT

jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (doc) writes:

>kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>>I'm not in sales or marketing but thought some might be
>>Interested in upgrading a PS/2 model 70 or 80 to a HIGH performing
>>workstation?  320 MFLOPS potential (100 MFLOPS sustained) with a W4
>>4 x i860 processor card available for 32-bit microchannel slots.
>>(Requires 2 slots).  Video controller on board for 8-bit/pixel graphics
>>engine.  Native AIX/860 running on the card itself, complete with its
>>own X server.
>>Speak to your local marketing office.
>
>I shudder to ask what this device costs.......

Well, I AM in sales, and since my customer (U of Ill) has asked,
it's priced at $32,500.  

DESCRIPTION: W4 provides 4 I860 processors capable of operating in              
symmetric, shared-memory mode from 32MB of on-board main memory.
In addition, the adapter card contains 2MB of Video RAM and an
integrated display controller. A programmable timer function is also            
available. User documentation and diagnostics are included.                     

Is that overpriced?  Depends on whether you need what it does.

--

Bob Shair                          shair@chgvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
Scientific Computing Specialist    SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet)
IBM Champaign
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: sgreen@netcom.com (Scott Green)
Subject: MCA serial card w/16550AFN for 55SX?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:10:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Is there an MCA serial card w/16550AFN available for 55SX?
Keywords: ps/2 55sx 16550afn

Is there an MCA serial card with a 16550AFN available for the 55SX?
I want to add a serial port that has a 16550AFN to use with OS/2 2.0.
Does such a thing exist, and if so, where may I obtain one? 

Thanks,
Scott  

-- 
Scott Green
sgreen@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: genrad@philmtl.philips.ca (Genrad)
Subject: PS/2 Model 70/121 Questions
Organization: Philips Electronics Limited, St. Laurent QC, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:13:40 GMT


	I would like to know about the P2/2 model 70-121 memory. Specifically,
does this machine take the 72 pin, 36 Bit wide SIMM modules that are becoming
more commonly available. I a loking to increase the ram on one of these machines, and would like to know if this is a good way of doing this. Also,
form what I have been told, this machine can only take up to 6MB of memory on
board. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

				
					Regards,
					K. Kritisilas  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (doc)
Subject: Speaking of 8514's....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:04:42 GMT

Does anyone know of any drivers to make the 8514 recognize real-world
video modes?  I cant get my GIF viewers of any other graphics programs
to use the 8514 in hi-res mode; they all complain "your graphics adapter
cant use this resolution" or whatever, even though it is loaded with memory
and I run the hdiload program beforehand.
From: phaethon@sara.cc.utu.fi (Timo Eronen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: MCA serial card w/16550AFN for 55SX?
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:37:07 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <w4#n35l.sgreen@netcom.com>, sgreen@netcom.com (Scott Green) writes:
> Is there an MCA serial card with a 16550AFN available for the 55SX?
> I want to add a serial port that has a 16550AFN to use with OS/2 2.0.
> Does such a thing exist, and if so, where may I obtain one? 
> 

IBM "Dual asynchronous adapter" contains two "FIFO aware" 16550AFs. Connectors
are 9 pin males should it make any difference. Obviously you can obtain one
from IBM, price in Finland is $200.

> Thanks,
> Scott  
> 
> -- 
> Scott Green
> sgreen@netcom.com

-Timo Eronen, tke@utu.fi
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:1483 ba.market.computers:3849
From: JIMSTAN@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,ba.market.computers
Subject: FOR SALE: Intel SatisFAXtion MC Board $150
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:23:42 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


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    Intel certifies this product's compatibility with all IBM
    PS/2 MicroChannel computers, excluding the model 70 and the
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Stanford Linear Accelerator Ctr.     h [415] 641-4948
P.O. Box 4349
Stanford, CA 94305
e-mail JIMSTAN@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: alheid@sedist.cray.com (Greg Alheid)
Subject: Re: differences between "normal" IBM PC compatible and IBM PS/2
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:46:19 CDT

 icsdsmg@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> 
|> 	I need some kind soul to tell me something about the differences
|> between a "normal" IBM PC compatible and an IBM PS/2.  I realize that they
|> have a different bus, and one can't just interchange parts/peripherals.
|> But *why* (technically) is that, what's the difference in pin layouts,
|> signals, connectors etc.  Why/when did IBM introduce the PS/2?  I know
|> this is asking quite a bit, but maybe anyone that knows something
|> about this, or can point me to a good place to find the information,
|> could send me some e-mail??  Please don't tell me to just RTFM, I tried
|> to find a PS/2 hardware guide, but no such luck.  *Any* help would be
|> very much appreciated.  Please use e-mail if you can!
|> 
|> 			thanks,
|> 				Marcus


  The bus for the IBM PC and AT is now know as ISA bus, (Industry
Standard Arch). The problems with the ISA bus and how the PS/2 and 
MCA bus (Micro Channel Arch.) solved them are:

 - ISA uses edge triggered interrupts, unable to share interuppts.
 + MCA uses level triggered interrupts, allowing shared interuppts.

 - ISA is limited to 12 address lines for I/O devices, 4096 device
    addresses but each device can take four at least, so more like
    only 1024 "devices". But the system consumes something like the
    first 512 devices for necessary system functions.
 + MCA has 16 address lines for I/O devices, so it has 65,536 device
    addresses, but again more like 16,384 devices. System still
    needs the first 512 devices but it is not as noticeable.  8^)

 - ISA has noisy signal lines (lack of "good" grounding) which can
    be a source of strange problems.
 + MCA has more ground signals between data, so is less noisy.

 - ISA is "normally" 8 Mhz and can only transfer two bytes every
   two clock periods, so 8 Mbytes max. transfer rate.
 + MCA is 16 Mhz minimun, and can with "burst" transfers can go
   over 50 MBytes a sec. (Don't really remember what current max
   value is.)

  There are several other problems of the ISA bus solved by the
PS/2 and MCA design but I would have to copy them from a book to
get them technically right.

  Also PS/2s also have a Watchdog timer which will cause a NMI and
will allow the system to recover from program loops and "some" other
possible causes of system hangs. But the software to do has to be
available like it is in OS/2. (This feature is not dependent on the
MCA design)

-- 
____________________________________________________________________
| Greg Alheid               |  Everything is going well so I am    |
| alheid@pittpa.cray.com    |  not sure what the problem is.   8^) |
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From: wenban@SELFISH.EE.CORNELL.EDU (Alan Wenban)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: 8514/A memory expansion
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:26:37 GMT

I have an IBM PS/2 8514/A adapter with 512K and would like to
expand it to 1 Meg.  Anyone know of a source for this for a
reasonable price?  IBM wants $395 for the upgrade.

Alan Wenban
wenban@ee.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: heederik@fwi.uva.nl (Robbert Heederik)
Subject: XGA vs. ATI 8514 ultra
Keywords: XGA 8513 8514 8514/a 8515 ... 8599
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:12:59 GMT


Hi,

I am planning to buy a new graphicscard for my model 70.
There are two options:
1)    the IBM XGA-card, about 1300 dutch guilders ($750)
2)    ATI 8514 ultra, about the same price (here in Holland)

Could you give me some more information about these cards 
regarding speed and possible modes?

I am now using an 8513 monitor and will probably upgrade to an 
8515 some months later. Is it possibly to use my 8513 with those
cards?

Thanks in advance,
       Robbert
       
PS: What's the price of these cards in the U.S.?         
    Does anyone has experience with US-import?
    Note: the price of the XGA-card is for IBM employees.

-- 
//// Robbert Heederik  //     __________           // heederik     // OS/2 ?  /
/// Heiligeweg 26/28  // ----[__________|-------[ // @fwi.uva.nl  // OS/2 !? //
// 1012 XR Amsterdam //  A shot a day            // University   // OS/2 !! ///
/ The Netherlands   // keeps the tourists away  // of Amsterdam // OS/2.  /////
From: MARTYZ@IDUI1.CSRV.UIDAHO.EDU (Marty Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Ethernet cards in Model 35sx
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:39:48 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Has anyone else encountered problems when putting an Ethernet card
in a PS/2 Model 35sx?  I've tried both a 3Com 3C503 and a Western
Digital (SMC now) 8003 and both lock-up periodically when using
TCP/IP applications via the appropriate Clarkson packet driver.

Marty Zimmerman                 Bitnet:   martyz@idui1
Computer Services               Internet: martyz@idui1.csrv.uidaho.edu
University of Idaho
Moscow, Idaho, USA
From: U54345@uicvm.uic.edu (Darius Vaskelis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: IBM DOS 5.00.1??
Date: 12 Aug 92 02:22:56 GMT
 <92224.103622HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

>The latest version of IBM PC DOS 5.0 fixes is titled CSP (sic) UR36603.
[...]
>The VER command output after this patch level is still 5.0
>not 5.0.1 or 5.01.
[...]

While the February 1992 CSD UR36603 of IBM DOS 5.0 does not alter the
output of the VER command, the commercial IBM DOS 5.00.1 does have
different output from the VER command:

IBM DOS Version 5.00
Revision 1  CSD UR36603 02/92

IBM DOS 5.0 can be brought to to the equivalent functionality of IBM DOS
5.00.1 (also known as IBM DOS 5.0 Revision 1) by installing CSD UR36603.

- Darius
I do not speak for IBM Corp.
--
Darius Vaskelis (IBM Marketing/Technical Support)
University of Illinois Account Team
One IBM Plaza  15-KC9                    Telephone: (312) 245-3532
Chicago, IL 60611                         Internet: U54345@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: gerten@jura.informatik.uni-kl.de
Subject: re: Upgrade a 55SX ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Reply-To: gerten@informatik.uni-kl.de
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.161338.17520@rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) writes:
>we are using here several PS/2 55 sx. I am thinking about upgrading
>the hardware.
>Is there any possibilty to enhance their performance to a 386 DX 33 level? 
>Motherboard exchange ? Other Ideas ?

Processor upgrades are possible with AOX micromaster (386dx or 486dx).

What is the usage of these systems ?
If it' Windows or OS/2, go and put more memory, a graphics accelerator 
card and/or a fast SCSI disk in the system, this will help more.


>
>Thanks for any hint!
>
>Regards
>
>Christoph Weber-Fahr
>-- 
>  Christoph Weber-Fahr                  |  E-Mail:  weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de 
>  Universitaet Kaiserslautern,  KIT     |  S-Mail:  Postfach 3049
>  Tel. 0631/205-3391                    |           D-6750 Kaiserslautern
>--------------------------  My personal opinion only    ---------------------

Rainer Gerten
University of Kaiserslautern
Department of Computer Science
W-6750 Kaiserslautern
Germany
mail: gerten@informatik.uni-kl.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.ps2,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.hardware,alt.graphics,comp.graphics
From: pinder2@emily.uvm.edu (Not George)
Subject: VESA
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:27:03 GMT

I'm still looking for a VESA/Compatible driver for my IBM 8514/a - Please email
me if you have any information - Thanx.

--jp

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Upgrade PS/2 to a "Cray-like" performance
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:15:55 GMT
Reply-To: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

I'm not in sales or marketing but thought some might be
Interested in upgrading a PS/2 model 70 or 80 to a HIGH performing
workstation?  320 MFLOPS potential (100 MFLOPS sustained) with a W4
4 x i860 processor card available for 32-bit microchannel slots.
(Requires 2 slots).  Video controller on board for 8-bit/pixel graphics
engine.  Native AIX/860 running on the card itself, complete with its
own X server.
Speak to your local marketing office.

Mike                              __  __o         /
Kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com       __   \<,        /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ______()/ ()______/
"Everything stated within is IMHO and not necessarily my employer's!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT])
Subject: Upgrade a 55SX ?
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:13:38 GMT

Hello,

we are using here several PS/2 55 sx. I am thinking about upgrading
the hardware.
Is there any possibilty to enhance their performance to a 386 DX 33 level? 
Motherboard exchange ? Other Ideas ?

Thanks for any hint!

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr
-- 
  Christoph Weber-Fahr                  |  E-Mail:  weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de 
  Universitaet Kaiserslautern,  KIT     |  S-Mail:  Postfach 3049
  Tel. 0631/205-3391                    |           D-6750 Kaiserslautern
--------------------------  My personal opinion only    ---------------------
From: djackson@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Motherboards which fit into a PS/2 box?
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:33:11 GMT
Reply-To: djackson@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Jackson)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1992Aug12.192959.2722@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
sabrom@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Seth Bromberger) writes:
  [loads of stuff deleted]
 
IBM's prices on MBs are the same as a
|> complete (non-IBM) system would cost, INCLUDING HD and
|> monitor.  I was 
|> actually interested in 1) whether I could get a non-IBM MB
|> to fit in the box 
|> and 2) how much of my present system I would have to trash
|> to get the thing to
|> work.  This was to help me make a decision about whether
|> to sell the 50Z 
|> outright or attempt this upgrade and possibly sell the
|> incompatible parts.
|> 
Okay, I'll try and be a bit more helpful this time !

A Model 70 planar will fit into a 50Z case with no problems,
and use all of
the parts (power supply, disk drives, etc). Yes IBM parts
are
expensive, but you should be able to find a dealer who can
supply a model 70
board quite cheaply as a "spare part" though you may have to
trade in your 50Z
board to do this. Here in the UK the price of doing this is
still high compared
with the cost of another brand (equivalent) machine, but it
isn't higher.

No non IBM boards will fit into the PS/2 50 case without
throwing away all of
the IBM parts (and removing some of the support "lugs" and
cutting holes in
the case back too) - not really recomended!

I wouldn't go for the model 70 upgrade path as this is not a
"fast" machine
by todays standards - the main problem from the users point
of view is the slow
8 bit VGA graphics - if you want a new IBM you should go for
the 56/57 SLC
which 'look faster' than the 70 when using Windows and OS/2
due to their high
speed 16 bit graphics system (amoung other things !).
Performance on these is
similar to a 386DX/33. (Or, of course there are the 486
machines !). Other
brands are cheaper......

If you want another IBM I'd wait until the new range is
announced (next
month?).

Hope this was more helpful   :-)

Dave.





David J Jackson   Telephone +44 473 645805
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From: kurt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kurt Sletterdahl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: PS/2 Mouse Serial port
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:26:12 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Since the PS/2 mouse plugs into a port on the motherboard, I question your
description of it as a "BUS mouse".

UUCP: {amdahl!bungia, uunet!rosevax, crash}!orbit!pnet51!kurt
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: khan@cheshire.oxy.edu (Onnie Lynn Winebarger)
Subject: problems with fixed disk
Keywords: Help!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:31:34 GMT

I'm working for a library this summer which has several"Wilson Stations,"
which are IBM ps/2's repackaged.  One of the ps/2's fixed disks has been
giving a fixed disk error and smelling of ozone when the power is switched on.
I'm hoping someone out there knows what would cause this.  I don't know what
brand of fixed disk it is as it came in the "Wilson Station" package.  Anybody
know anything about this company?
As I don't read this news group, e-mail would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Lynn
khan@cheshire.oxy.edu 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: paranjpe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Milind D Paranjpe)
Subject: Maximum Monitor/Keyboard cable length on AT?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:32:40 GMT

Anyone know the "official" specs on this?

Milind Paranjpe
paranjpe@leland.stanford.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.hardware:62 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:22123 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:11626 misc.wanted:7824
From: youngqd@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Dean Youngquist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.wanted
Subject: Wanted: handheld data entry device, download data to PC
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:00:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug18.210049.27403
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I have a friend who, not having a notebook computer, needs some sort of
handheld portable data entry device.  The idea is to carry it around and
enter inventory, text and numeric values.  Later he would take the unit
back to the desk-top pc and download data through an infra-red link or 
through the serial port.

It would also be great if the device could accept data both by manual keypad
entry and by bar-code input.

I think there may be such thing already on the market.  Please email to
me if you know of any.

Thanks,
Dean
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner)
Subject: Re: why no man command on 3B2/1000
Organization: The Cooper Union ( NY, NY )
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:48:43 GMT

in article <1992Aug9.120701.17914@rexago8.uucp>, hc05@rexago8.uucp (Beirne Konarski) says:
> 
> pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) writes:
> 
>>dougs@david.wheaton.edu (Doug Smith - SGA) writes:
> 
>>>I'm a little new to the 3B2 and I'm wondering why this system has no man
>>>command or man pages.  Should it be here or doesn't AT&T include it?  Is
>>>it available somewhere?
> 
>>man is part of the Documenters Workbench, which is unbundled
>>from the rest of Unix.
> 
> Check this before going out and spending money.  We had a loaner copy of the
> DWB in and it didn't include man.  I was told by NCR that the man pages were
> part of some other package that did not sell and was discontinued.

man pages are certainly NOT included with DWB on the 3B2.  Stock SVR3.X
comes with "Help Utilities" which includes an awful command called
"usage".  I suppose this was AT&T's answer to man.  If you want the
man pages (troff sources), you'll have to purchase the source code,
I believe.  At least that's why we have them.
--Jeff Hakner