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From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: finding each other at MOW... an idea
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:03:24 CST

In article <1993Jan27.045156.11301@spdcc.com>
urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:

[More thoughts on finding each other at the MOW]

My two cents, and, of course, it's lesbian/gay band related.

One of the problems that has come up here is that many
motss-folk will only be free to meet on the Sunday of the March
itself.  Another problem is that many motss-folk will be
marching with some specific group or another, but want
a way to find other motss-folk, in the morning, perhaps,
when there are too many people to do it accidentally.

So what we need is both a place and a time for a gathering
on Sunday morning.

Before the march steps off, there will be entertainment at
the Ellipse.  One of the groups entertaining will be
the Lesbian and Gay Bands of America.   That could
be our cue to meet -- where?  I would suggest behind
the bass drummer (me), but that may be unworkable.

Barring that, let's just choose a convenient
spot and time.  Barring that, you at least know
where to find *me*.

[I, of course, would like to encourage a motss entourage
 to attend the Lesbian and Gay Band concert the night
 before the March, but more on that in a few weeks.]

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com




Xref: sparky soc.motss:57738 soc.bi:18770
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:03:53 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.124508.15752@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>>Why do people think it odd to drink cold coffee?  Not as of habit, but
>>as a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  After all, iced-tea isn't
>>exactly unknown....
>
>I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
>tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
>coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
>wasn't that simple?

Why Jess, thats the simplest you've been!

I can't disagree more. A tall glass of milky brown coffee, beads of
sweat clouding up the ouside invitingly, summer sun, the first taste:
a smoky elixir. A rich, flavorful cooling drink, with suprising body
and the utmost in refreshing qualities. A second drink. The caffeine
strikes up a slight sweat, working nicely in summer heat, and the
almost candytlike concoction of sugar and creme melded elegantly yet
insouciantly as they play across the tongue. A third sip. Eyes closed,
the coffee aroma now penetrating deeply into the senses, that buoying
rich coffee goodness. Fresh and clean, speaking out to the way you
want to tickle your tongue today. Coffee. Iced Coffee. Ask for it by
name. A real drink for achieving people.

This has been a PSA by the IC DOUSA. Iced Coffee Drinkers of America.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Forced Remedies
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:29:47 GMT


In article <18356@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
Rowley) writes:

>education can defeat ignorance by showing (not forcing) that
>everyones self interest is served when eqaul rights are
>fairly applied across the board.

Education defeats ignorance by definition.

Be that as it may, I agree that equality serves everyone.
But the issue is what to do about those whom inequality
serves better.  Something rather like force may be needed, I
think.  How will you get around that?

>Attempting to remedy past inequitys by tilting the balance
>to force or mandate favor for the previously disadvantaged
>is no less unfair than the ills it seeks to remedy.

One problem with this is that unfairness is hard to measure,
so "more unfair" and "less unfair" are perforce undefined.
You know the old saying: fair is fair.

30 million Americans are illiterate.  Educating illiterates
is particularly difficult, since reading and writing are
essential to what we think of as education.  You would never
under any circumstances divert resources from haves to help
literacy have-nots?

40 million Americans are without health insurance.  As a result,
they suffer compound inequities wrt to health, with implications
for productivity, self-respect, education, child-rearing, and
a host of other aspects.  You would never under any circumstances
divert resources from haves to insurance have-nots?

20 million Americans are undernourished.  Various inequities
assure they will remain so.  You would never under any
circumstances divert resources from haves to assist food
have-nots?

At least 7 million Americans are living on the streets.  You
would never under any circumstances divert resources to
provide shelter for those people (a few, mostly treatable
schizphrenics, don't want it, but let's worry about them
later)?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Question? Military Ban
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:10:53 GMT


First off I would like to say that I am so excited that someone
in the Executive Branch, in fact the man in charge of it, is up 
to bat for the GBLO population.

But I have a question.  How did this one issue become our
playing card into the Federal Government?  Why didn't we
push Clinton to fight for a "federal equal rights" bill?

I know that several years ago I got a newsletter from the HRF and
they wanted money for this issue...but due to the fact that I am
pretty anti-military I couldn't contribute.....

It appears that Clinton is very very pro-Gay so again why was this
one issue pushed?  

Bil Snodgrass III
(I am not condemning the move...I am excited that anything is up
there, I am just wondering how this approach is going to help
the rest of us.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Re: Pro-Queer violence and Re: Starting Trouble: Homophobia at MIT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:29:55 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)

In article <1993Jan24.034837.28825@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
>So....... what the hell IS capsicum, if it isn't a hollow vegetable the
>size of my hand?

Capsicum is a pepper plant originally from the New World. (This I know
because it comes up in the Voynich manuscript)

Capsicum is also the active ingredient in a variety of "personal
self-defence chemicals". Ever heard of Mace? Same idea. You have a
little can of stuff driven by an aerosol. You spray the stuff at
someone, and if it's a strong enough irritant, the victim is blinded
or distracted by pain or..

Capsicum based things work largely through the capacity for pepper
oils to irritate the mucus membranes. And since it's all organic, it
seems less likely that it will permanently hurt someone. PC weapons.

I've only seen it used once, at one of Portland's George Bush riots.
The cops were attacking people who were throwing rocks at them.
Several friends of mine were hit, and while it looked unpleasant they
weren't exactly incapacitated. But the cops were laying it down across
the crowd, not singling out people.

It was also popular for awhile in women's self defence groups, at
least in Portland.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 All of the freaks are not inside the tents
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Lesbian and Gay Band at Inaugural, update
Summary: understandable!
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:12:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.042655.5880@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu
(Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.200607.24701@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com
(Steven Levine) writes:

>> Feelings
>>get amplified in a crowd, sometimes to the point of irrationality,

>So true.  In 1973 I marched in the World's Largest Marching
>Band in Nixon's inaugural parade.  There were 1976 of us
>(it's true), and the whole thing made me wildly nauseous.

That's easy to understand -- marching for Nixon would have made ME
nauseous, too!
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kenji@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Subject: WANTED: Place to stay in Santa Fe, June
Summary: Complex Systems Summer School at Santa Fe Institute
Keywords: complexity room wanted
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:56:00 GMT

Hi folks, time for an overt appeal to Gay Privelege:

Are there any motssers in Santa Fe who can take me in
for the month of June?  The Santa Fe Institute is having
a summer school in Complex Systems that I badly want to
attend.  

First, about me:

I'm a physics grad student at SUNY Stony Brook (NY). 
I love philosophy and science -- that's why this summer
school is so interesting to me.  They're working on a
general theory of organization in complex systems 
ranging from economies to ecosystems to the human brain.
And it has deep connections to physics, too.  (My work can
have some real-life relevance!)

Practical considerations:

1)	First I have to get accepted.  I hear there are
	three applicants for each position.

2)	Room/board support is limited, I'z poor, and I hear
	it would cost two THOUSAND dollars for an apartment
	just for the month of June!!

So, if I do get accepted but don't get room/board support, 
I might not have the dough to go.  If I don't get accepted, 
but I can stay with a friendly someone, they just might 
take me anyway.  Got it?

Many thanks in advance,

Kenji

P.S.  Yes, I'm an eligible bachelor.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:52:23 PST

In article <mattm-210193170137@mcmelmon.apple.com>, on 22 Jan 1993 01:02:53 GMT,
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>All that notwithstanding, Hoover Tower would make for a great
>place to boink.
>

Hmm. I guess it must be bubble-buttressed. :-)

    =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             I would have been born again; however,     00010000
Library Information Systems  Mom didn't think much of that idea.        00020000
University Research Library  Make money, not war!                       00030000
ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu     Closets are for clothes.                   00040000
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: G&L MILITARY BAN: Call the White House NOW!
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:51:49 GMT

In article <C1GJF1.2wn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, on 26 Jan 93 10:51:00 GMT,
viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones) writes:

>
>In article <9648052325011993/A05354/POSSE/1171CDC11400*@mrgate.uwyo.edu>, LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes...
>>
>>In article <chavez.727989434@quorum.com>, chavez@quorum.com
>>Would congressional legislation be able to override an executive
>>order by Clinton?  Or would an executive order by Clinton be able
>>to override congressional legislation?  Anybody know?
>>
>>-maria 
>
>Congress prevails and could pass a law overriding an executive order
>issued by Clinton.
>
True, but any such law could presumably be vetoed. Thus, as a practical
matter, it would take a 2/3 vote in the House and in the Senate to
override an executive order prohibiting exclusion and/or discrimination
based solely on sexual orientation.

>Furthermore, the military code contains
>provisions outlawing homosexual behavior (sodomy, other stuff?) and can
>only be amended by Congress.
>
This is true. In order to achieve equal treatment wrt sexual conduct, a
majority of each of the houses would have to enact legislation revising
the applicable sections of the military code.

>A quote I saw from Senate Minority leader Dole indicates that he's confident
>Clinton doesn't have enough support on the Hill.
>
The estimate that I heard is that only 30 out of the 100 senators
supported a lifting of the ban. This does not necessarily mean that
an executive order would be overturned in the Senate, because some of
the 70 opposed might not vote to overturn a presidential veto on party
loyalty grounds. At least this was what happened in the case of Bush
having had almost all of his vetoes sustained.

In any event, because of the large number of newly elected persons in
the House, it is generally believed that more than 1/3 of the
congresscritters support an executive order.

    =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             You have rights antecedent to all earthly
Library Information Systems  governments; rights that cannot be
University Research Library  repealed or restrained by human law.
ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu               - John Adams
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homoeroticism on Northern Exposure
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:16:09 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
>Yeah! The image of 'Rolf' on my screen stopped my remote in mid channel
>zap and my TV stayed tuned to CBS for the rest of the hour. How ever
>did he pour himself into those black Levis? 
>
>What caught my attention was when Rolf and Ed were talking about movies and
>Rolf revealed that he liked a particular actress because she was so "manly".

I recall that episode from the first time they aired it.  Rolf was
certainly an eyefull.  I remember feeling that the shows writers were
teasing me with inuendos about Rolf.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Gays Having Ball at Clinton Bash"
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:08:46 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1993Jan19.004242.3180@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>From today's (1/18/93) San Francisco Examiner...

>During the campaign, Clinton courted the gay vote, pledging to
>lift the ban on homsexuals in the military, to increase
>funding of AIDS research and to make discrimination against
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>gays and lesbians a federal offense.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting slip . . . he never promised this, so far as I know.  He
said he'd sign a gay rights bill if Congress passed it and it had clear
evidentiary standards.  He didn't say he'd propose it or work for its
passage.  I actually found it somewhat reassuring that this was how he
phrased it, figuring it meant he was trying not to promise more to glbs
than he would deliver;  it gave me more confidence in his promises.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lof@pepper.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: Talk to your Senators!
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 27 JAN 93 01:52:48 CST

Today I called my Congresssman, Scott
Klug, and my Senators Russ Feingold
and Herb Kohl (Wisconsin).  At all
three places, I was told an opinion
had not been formed and they were
wanting to know what their
constituents thought.

I have made a flyer to pass to all
my gay and straight friends to CALL
today!!  We need to get out and
contact these people!

Gregg Lof
Univ. of Wisc-Madison
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FRUSTRATION!
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:48:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

How ironic.  I was just having these same thoughts.  For
nearly ten seconds, I stood in an elevator with a FEDERAL
EXPRESS TWINK BEYOND BELIEF and *he* had to remind me to
push the button.  "Maybe you should push the button," he
said...  Yup.  "Which button?" I said.  

Oh, the FRUSTRATION!!!

*X*
Xref: sparky soc.motss:57964 alt.sex.motss:2217
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:49:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan22.094911.26723
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <C18MxF.9wK@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>used to administrate a VAX
>"Administrate"?  Wash your fingers.

excuse me. "used to make love to a VAX." It was the only way to fix
the sainted thing when the wonderful, sweet machine would run into
that bug in the network code that caused a queue to overflow and trash
kernel memory. Hitting ^P still gives me shivers.

ObMotssForPeopleWhoHateBeingRemindedThatUsenetIsStillAGeekForum:

I've been reading "Brother to Brother", a collection of things written
about being a black gay male. I've only read through the first section
and I'm already quite impressed. So many anthologies of queer writing
are annoying and .. prosaic. Maybe it's because I don't know much
about what it means to be black, much less black and gay, but the
things I'm reading seem fresh, new. And best of all, well written.

>"Sometimes you wake up.  Sometimes the fall kills you.  And
>sometimes, when you fall, you fly."  -- N. Gaiman

"What is the word for the moment when you forget precisely what it
  feels like to make love to someone?"
"There isn't one."
				      --Delirium and Dream
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     In a totally sane society, madness is the only freedom
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: sgsying@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Goangshiuan Ying)
Subject: Motss related drama in A&E
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:59:04 GMT

Hello there!  Happy New Year to everyone out there..  :)

I was watching A&E 1:00am this morning and found out there will be a 
motss realted drama next Sunday.  I didn't have time to copy down the
name of the movie and actors.  I only know one of the actor is well known.

I will report again if I find out more information about this movie and 
also the time scheduled to play.  (I think it's midnight EST.)  But if any
one on the net knows about this movie, please report also.  Thanks...



Shawn Ying
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <65-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>you just hit on what i find frustrating about some wimmin's music.  you
>KNOW the women are dykes, they SAY they're dykes, EVERYONE says they're
>dykes, but the love songs are all genderless!  aigh!

2 nice girls is very blatent...they have a song called "the queer song"
that has a line "both of us are gonna be the wife."  *grin*

>and the refrain from that indigo girls song i mentioned in my
>last post on this topic starts:

>juliet, when we made love you used to cry...

yeah, but the song wasn't written by them...it was written by the Dire
Straits guy.

season

-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: what i did over xmas vacation, etc.\
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:06:06 GMT

In article <1jib6jINNrcd@morrow.stanford.edu>, alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>
> In article <1jhuq8INN10h@transfer.stratus.com> pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:
>>In article <77022@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>>[Alisa talks about coming out as bi]
>>
"ailsa" please.  not "alisa".  note the position of the vowels.
granted, i can't type (somehow i doubt anyone will argue that one!), but
i always spell my name right...  pronounced "ALE-sah".
>
> I'm rather sorry I missed your original posting, Alisa--I came out as bisexual
> recently after believing for a while that I was a lesbian--but I, too, hate
> the labels.  I am dating a man, and find myself hiding that fact when talking
> to my lesbian acquaintances.  Why?  I feel guilty!
>
*sigh*  yes, i knwo the feeling well.  i was living with a guy for the
last two years, and i felt embarassed even mentioning him, and that was
when i KNEW i was a lesbian.

> How about the clueless comments from gays and straights alike who don't
> understand bisexuality: "You're dating a guy?  But I thought you were bisexual!"
>
oh goddess, i haven't met that comment yet.  oy!  *chuckle*  the things
people come up with...

                                                -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Yeaaa Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.)!
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:32:53 GMT

> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>Even as I type, Senator Kerry is on the Senate floor, making
>the best speech I've ever heard from a U.S. congressperson on
>the issue of sexual orientation and the right of gays and
>lesbians to serve in the military!

Kerry's phone number is 202/224-2742.  His phone answerer
was very charming and pleased to hear (and tally) my support
of his boss's position.
-- 
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rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! :-)
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:12:29 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu

Jeff Dauber:
> >I don't know about the rest of you, but I have found the aging process
> >to be fun and entertaining.  At 26 (ooohh....) to be a different sort
> >of fun from 21.  It is good to know that you slow down eventually...

Jojo:
> I was never so happy as when I turned from 19 to 20, except when I
> turned from 29 to 30 (last September).

You babies :-).

Slow down? I'll be 31 in < 2 months. I think I've had more fun in
the past 2 years than in all my other years put together.

Bill, whose current crush is a 39-year-old hot punk daddy whose idea
of ska is Prince Far I and the Skatalites, none of this Johnny-come-
lately revival shit
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:38:08 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <C16v18.Mot@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>The subject says it all.

My SO was watching CNN this morning while I was on my way out the door 
to go to work.  Clinton seems to have started the ball rolling on the
military ban.  I didn't hear the whole CNN story but it sounded like
some kind of temporary order has already been issued while a more 
complete executive order gets drafted.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |