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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Golding's _The Spire_ query
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:58:29 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <0b!p46=@lynx.unm.edu>, rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.221110.43350@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> you write:
>>Some time ago I read William Golding's _The Spire_.  I want to re-read
>>it but I've been told, or read somewhere, that to really grasp what
>>he's doing you need a knowledge of cathedral architecture.
>>
> 
> 	I know zero about this work, but *cathedral architecture?*
> 	Do you mean the medieval Notre Dame type of cathedral with
> 	lacy light filled vaulted ceiling interiors and exo-skeletal
> 	flying buttress exteriors?  In any case, I do recall a PBS
> 	series on the building of a medieval cathedral, and there
> 	was a companion volume; perhaps this would suit you.  I
> 	believe the title is simply _Cathedral_.
> 
> 	And I must ask -- can you give me a two or more line
> 	description of the novel?  My interest is piqued.

All I can remember is that it is a short novel, apparently a parable,
in which all the action takes place while a cathedral is being built.
There is a great deal of detail about the building.  It reminded me at
the time of _A Canticle for Liebowitz_.

I hope someone will volunteer an interpretation.
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From: u8901852@cc.uow.edu.au (jenny watson)
Subject: Wollongong bookstore (Australia)
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:40:42 GMT

Hi,

	I just thought I'd let you know that there's a new bookstore opened
at the bottom od crown street.  It specialises in old books.  From what I
could see when I went in the other day, its a little over priced, though
there could still be some gems in there somewhere!  


Jenny.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: literature students
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:43:59 GMT

In article <69081@hydra.gatech.EDU> barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
>Have any of you literature students/professors been bothered by how many
>students spout formulae instead of thinking for themselves?  It seems to be
>the bright younger ones who do it and I vaguely remember having done it 
>myself.  (Is it a natural phase?)  They get all kinds of attention and praise
>from the teachers for doing it, too.

I see it as part of a learning process.  The students first learn how
various accepted critical approaches operate, by trying them out
themselves, and then -- maybe -- will someday be able to come up with
their own.

And for many of them, it is an exciting process of discovery.  By
actually using a critical formula themselves, they are thinking for
themselves, with some help.

I find very little difference in graduate school.  Most graduate
students are applying somebody else's ideas.

It took me until the 4th year of my Ph.D. to have a truly, deeply,
original thought.  And many undergrads, grads, and professors possibly
never do.  Fine by me.  The point isn't to learn to be terribly
original, it's to learn to read critically.

Stephanie Fysh
Dept of English
University of Toronto
From: gt0009b@prism.gatech.EDU (rahim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Native American Indian novels
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:38:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ga Tech

Could someone recommed some Native American Indian novels, in 
which native spirituality is encountered.

I would really appreciate your suggestions.

rahim
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Buchan (was: Re: RE: Poll: The Greatest Adventure Story Ever
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:57:36 GMT

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>You ought to go back and read "Greenmantle" again.  The Germans whom
>Hannay (correct spelling, by the way)

   It really won't do to criticize a chap's spelling.  It's not sporting
don't you know.

>expresses admiration for are
>the Germans who exhibit qualities similar to his own ... 

>You seem to be implying that Buchan, had he lived a bit longer, would
>have moved to Germany and joined the Nazi party.  What nonsense.

   It is indeed nonsense, which is why I have never said or impleid
anything remotely like it.  What I said, in language which ought to
have been perfectly comprehensible to anyone equipped with the ability
to read English without pointing individually to each word in the
process, was that there was an underlying ambivalence in Hannay's
attitude towards his German enemies which suggested that the imperialist
ethic of which Hannay is an embodiment had certain common elements with
the will-to-power strain in German culture which predisposed that
culture to Fascism.  I have now said it twice, and it still doesn't bear
any resemblance to what you claimed I said.  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Subject: Oops!
Organization: Moi?
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:10:44 GMT

For the Sunday afternoon titillation of the r.a.b.ble, I will shamefacedly
admit to my most embarrassing moment of the last week.  Perhaps, because I
sorta-celebrated my birthday, I too was infected with a dash of "salinity."

On that Very Expensive Trip to Powell's, one of the books was _Lord Peter_,
so I thought I would at long last read my Sayers mysteries.  In the copy of
_Busman's Honeymoon_ given me by Francis, there's a list.  I knew _Whose
Body?_ was the first, and _Busman's Honeymoon_ the last, so the list seemed
to be a nice reverse-chronological one, as found in many series.  Fine.  I
read WB, followed with The Unpleasantess at the Bellona Club (a little disap-
pointed that I would only hear about the case involving the Duke, but figuring
it was like the diamond case Lord Peter started with) and on to Unnatural Death
and Strong Poison.  Murder Must Advertise was startling for the modernity of 
this 65-year-old book, and then I read Lord Peter Views the Body.  I figured
these stories filled in the holes so far.  Yesterday, preparatory to packing
for an overnight retreat, I opened Lord Peter, and noticed right away that all
the stories (and the solution to the crossword) I'd read were enclosed.  THEN
I started reading the introduction, with the chronological list... and the
light suddenly dawned.  You will all have figured out by now that I was
reading the books in reverse alphabetical order.  *blush*  It must come
from having spent 60% of my life at the end of the alphabet, you think?

So, yeah, now I'm halfway through Clouds of Witness.

-- 
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
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Subject: Advertisement: Photo album "The Best from Lithuania".
Reply-To: kdv@rimeda.lt.su
Organization: Rimeda
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 16:57:27 +0300

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From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Women in horror (was Re: Lady mystery writers ...)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:17:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world, rec, usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

In article <1992Sep29.131918.10157@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>Another woman writer who does sexy vampires with at least a modicum
>of prose flair, is Nancy Collins.  Try _Sunglasses_After_Dark_.

Francine Prose wrote a good vampire novel. Wish I remembered the name.




....
jimh@west.sun.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: You Gotta Love Camille Paglia...
Organization: Clark University
Date: 5 OCT 92 00:03:44 GMT

..if only because she describes herself as "a pornographic nun".

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: abl@cybill.inesc.pt (Antonio Leal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: A pox upon your book (was Re: Dashiell Hammett)
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:32:36 GMT
	<1992Oct3.034439.16117@u.washington.edu>
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.

twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
>  [re query about Hammet's use of "lunger" referring to tuberculosis]
>  [...]
>  Like AIDS today, tuberculosis was popularly believed to be highly 
>  contagious, and those who were sick with it were regarded as pariahs.
>  [...]

Huh ?  That's not the impression I get from much of 19th century and
early 20th century literature (plus some family experience, luckily
before my time).

People who had tuberculosis could stay around and cough into their
handkerchiefs - the disease was, in the 19th century, known as
"consumption", and one reads mentions of "consumptive beauties",
referring to the general palor produced, occasionally combined with
contrasting rosy cheekbones.

If they could afford it, the patients did tend to go to "sanatoriums",
in mountain or desert climates, to try to get cured.  At least, that was
Hans Castorp's excuse, in Thomas Mann's The Magic Mountain - the novel
is set in a Swiss sanatorium (there, ob. book reference discharged ...).

I think there were restrictions (e.g. health exams for teachers),
but the feeling is nowhere near "pariah".  For real shrinking away
from the diseased, there's probably nothing like the bubonic plague.
Boccacio uses it in the set-up of the Decameron, and I think Defoe
wrote about a later plague (Journal of the Plague Year ?) but I haven't
read it (just Moll Flanders - is JotPY worth the trouble?).

It's probably time (again) for a thread on books and diseases ...
Bonus points for the earliest references - no plagues of Egypt, please.

--
Antonio B. Leal		| IST / INESC
+351.1.310 0300		| R. Alves Redol 9, 1000 Lisboa
abl@inesc.pt		| Portugal
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Wodehouse Question: Wooster & Jeeves
Keywords: Wodehouse Jeeves Dates
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:14:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Oct4.141405.14436
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

>In article <WEBER-250992165453@129.197.66.236> WEBER@JEDI.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Kevin Weber) writes:
>>Trying to find the chronological order of P.G. Wodehouse's Jeeves books. If
>>anybody out there could post or mail a chronological list it would be
>>greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>Kevin Weber

The following info is from Daniel Garrison's book "Who's Who in
Wodehouse".

Short Stories:
1915 Extricating Young Gussie [Note: Jeeves does not appear in this story]
1916 Jeeves Takes Charge [Jeeves' 1st appearance]
1916 Artistic Career of Corky (Leave It to Jeeves)
1916 Jeeves and the Unbidden Guest
1916 The Aunt and the Sluggard
1917 Jeeves and the Hard Boiled Egg
1918 Jeeves and the Cump Cyril
1921 Jeeves in the Springtime
1922 Aunt Agatha Takes the Count (Aunt Agatha Makes a Bloomer)
1922 Scoring Off Jeeves (Bertie Gets Even)
1922 Sir Roderick Comes to Lunch (Jeeves and the Blighter)
1922 Comrade Bingo
1922 The Great Sermon Handicap
1922 The Purity of the Turf
1922 The Metropolitan Touch
1922 The (Delayed) Exit of Claude and Eustace
1922 Bingo and the Little Woman
1922 Bertie Changes His Mind (Bertie Gets His Chance)
1924 The Rummy Affair of Old Biffy
1925 Clustering Around Old Bingo
1925 Without the Option
1926 Fixing It for Freddie
1926 The Inferiority Complex of Old Sippy
1926 es and the Impending Doom
1927 Jeeves and the Yule-Tide Spirit
1929 Jeeves and the Song of Songs
1929 Jeeves and the Dog McIntosh 
1929 Jeeves and the Spot of Art
1929 Jeeves and the Love That Purifies
1930 Jeeves and the Kid Clementina
1930 Jeeves and the Old School Chum
1930 Indian Summer of an Uncle
1930 Tuppy Changes His Mind (The Ordeal of Young Tuppy)
1959 Jeeves Makes an Omelet (Jeeves and the Stolen Venus)
1965 Jeeves and the Greasy Bird

Novels and Collections:
1919 My Man Jeeves
1923 The Inimitable Jeeves (Jeeves)
1925 Carry On, Jeeves
1930 Very Good, Jeeves
1931 Jeeves Omnibus
1934 Right Ho, Jeeves (Brinkley Manor)
1934 Thank You, Jeeves
1938 Code of the Woosters
1946 Joy in the Morning (Jeeves in the Morning)
1949 The Mating Season
1954 Jeeves and the Feudal Spirit (Bertie Wooster Sees It Through)
1960 How Right You Are, Jeeves (Jeeves in the Offing)
1963 Stiff Upper Lip, Jeeves
1967 The World of Jeeves
1971 Much Obliged, Jeeves (Jeeves and the Tie That Binds) 
1974 Aunts Aren't Gentlemen (The Cat Nappers)
1976 Jeeves, Jeeves, Jeeves
1981 Life with Jeeves

Note that many of the short stories are repeated in various
collection.  All of the short stories are in "The World of Jeeves".

----------------------------------------
Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: vks0@bunny.gte.com (Vijay Samalam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Who reads Rushdie?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:52:04 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: GTEL


I read Rushdie and so do many other people and I 
definitely think he is a brilliant writer.

In article <1992Sep30.154958.15479@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> 
theep@squid.ecn.purdue.edu (Pratheep Balasingam) writes:

> The first book of his that I read
> was "Jaguar Smile", a book about the complicated politics of Nicaragua.
> I was in general agreement with the points made in that book. However,
> I felt that the book was very poorly researched.

It is true that Rushdie is not always a very careful 
writer. He partially admits to this in his book of 
essays published recently. He was taken to task 
for the many historical inaccuracies in his 
Midnight's Children but as he pointed out he 
wrote about India the way he remembered it
from his childhood and that was atleast part 
of the exercise.

> Finally, I want to know what western fans get out of Rushdie. I know
> only a few words of Hindhi, and often I miss the points of entire 
> sentences because of Rushdie's excessive use of Hindhi/Urdu.

While Rushdie does use a lot of Hindi/Urdu words in the book
I don't think one has to understand every word to be able to 
enjoy the book. "Satanic Verses" is a long complicated 
book with the passages containing Hind/Urdu being 
a very small part of it and not the most important 
part at that.

I noticed that you did not mention the one book
that I still think is his best, "Midnight's Children".
I would start with that. The book is much more 
tightly constucted than "Satanic Verses".
And forget all that stuff
about "magic realism". There are many ways to 
read Rushdie's books but doesn't
 the heady mix of fact and fiction, 
fabulous and fantastic, probable
and impossible remind you of India ?
(I am assuming from your name that
you are Indian).

Regards,
-Vijay

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GTE Laboratories          corpore vili                    
Waltham , MA 02254
e-mail vks0@gte.com INTERNET
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Kafka's "Metamorphasis"
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:43:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.155609.19271@gtephx.UUCP> meredithd@gtephx.UUCP 
(Douglas Meredith) writes:

 >My first interpretation was that the story was an allegory for the alienation
 >a person might go through upon contracting some terminal, socially tabu
 >disease. However, on further reflection, this seemed a little trite.
 >Is there something more going on here that I'm just too allegorically
 >dense to see?

  What's the big deal? People turn into bugs all the time. Looking for
allegories is just silly. Let's not try to make a big thing out of a simple
story. You might as well make Huckleberry Finn into an allegorical
description of a little known reaction involving six amino acids and a
defective bunsen burner.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Exit Shakespeare....
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 07:45:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <lcmklnINNnut@news.bbn.com> ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:
>
>For the historians out there: Who, for that matter, was Shakespeare's
>Shakespeare?  Homer?  Virgil?  (Surely not, say, Chaucer.)
>

	Lord North's Plutarch was a major source
	for the Roman plays...

>N

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:15:43 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway


twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
 
> Well, opinions are information about the individual expressing them.
> If you have no reason to care deeply about the individual, then you're
> not going to care deeply about the opinions.  Especially if, like
> Alaynes, you find these opinions ill-informed.
 
On Friday, I went to Philadelphia to visit a friend, and to see her
brother-in-law's rock band play.  I managed to catch an earlier train
than I expected, so was able to spend 30 minutes browsing through the
excellent bookstore in Philadelphia's recently refurbished 30th Street
train station.
 
I decided to look through one of Camille Paglia's books to see what all
the fuss is about.  The first two chapters are about Madonna.  In the first,
she proclaims one of Madonna's video's as pornographic, and states that it
is wonderful.  The second chapter started out with "I'm a dyed in the wool
Madonna fan . . . ."  I put down the book, and moved on to something more
interesting.
 
I've been told that Ms Paglia has some interesting ideas, and some keen
observations hidden in her works -- if only one is interested in wading
through the shit.  Having now seen the shit, I've put away my wading boots,
and will not take the plunge.
 
Mark
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Exit Shakespeare....
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:24:26 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <BvI4vI.62M@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>So it would seem that to produce another Shakespeare today you should
>create a parallel cultural environment: raise kids on a diet of rock
>lyrics, Japanese manga in bad translations, Cliff's Notes summaries of
>ancient history, fantasy-novel rewites of classical myth, and ghoulish
>accounts of the horrors of AIDS.

MY GOD!!!!  I DO BELIEVE I'VE JUST DISCOVERED MY VOCATION!!!!!

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
From: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Arthur Ransome Society ?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:05:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu

Does anyone know of an Arthur Ransome club in the Bay Area? I heard about it
when I was in Canada and I was wondering if it even existed in the US. I wish
I could remember the name but... In case anyone is wondering, Arthur Ransome
wrote all those Swallows and Amazons books in the 1930's and 40's, about
Brittish kids sailing. THanks in advance for the info.

Amy Mossman
Berkeley, CA