From: by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: continued misconceptions of Mustafa...
Date: 9 Sep 1992 01:26:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


[This message contains embedded control characters at the beginning and end
of each paragraph. To find out why, read the ending paragraph first. Tri*]

> My posting was just a response to someone saying that any business
> announcement would be inappropiate.  And you got so scared that all
> these Turkish and Muslim people could start networking by means of
> announcements now.

CLAP-ON Interesting. all you see is "turks/muslims" and everyone else.
Who's got the binary brain? Have you seen me complain about postings
is other groups (i.e. the Makedonians, Pakistanis, Bosnians, etc). CLAP-OFF

CLAP-ON (exhibit A entered into Mustafa's binary brain...) CLAP-OFF

CLAP-ON Face it, Mustafa Bey. It has NOTHING to do with NATIONALITY,
ETHNICITY, or RELIGION. It's, as we say, PERSONAL. I find net.lawyer,
trailblazer.peddling, 'blind'.headhunter.ads, Macedonian.claims,
comp.sources.os2, VMS, Sophie.Miao, and many other parts of the net
silly.  But I don't flame them. (ESENA THELW RE!) CLAP-OFF

> I see, you drank too much ouzo yesterday.  First bitch when they write,
> then bitch when they don't write.  Is bitching all your purpose in this
> life?

CLAP-ON A good part of it. Just like your pals at the
'Mut*u/Cos*r/Kel*y/Et.Al. Posting house'. But, how come you're so fast in
responding to my articles? I posted mine Monday evening and ahoy and
behold, i have a reply immediately, Thuesday morning. CLAP-OFF

> Aren't you a little off the subject yet? Back to anouncements please. 
> You are trying hard to make the subject wonder away.  What does this
> have to do with the properness of announcements in this newsgroup? And
> while you are at remembering, who scanned someone's picture in violation
> of copyright law and put it on ftp?  Any relations between you and that group?

CLAP-ON Boy, your ignorance is cramping my vital organs. I was not the
one to scan the picture of Hasan (may he rest in obscurity), nor was I
the one to put it 'on ftp' (what terminology). So you're barking up
the wrong 'Tri*'. Nice dodging on the 'who put the porno gifs' and the
'who forged the message to alt.binaries.pictures.*' issues... CLAP-OFF

CLAP-ON As for copyright violations, could you explain to me whether
posting pretty much the entire works of "Men Are Like That", etc, etc
etc from the mut*u/Cos*r/Kel*y/Et.Al. posting house violates copyright
laws which specifically mention electronic media? Nooooo.  I wrote a note
presenting some fairly decent (even for Tri*) arguments but Mutley got
his account canned at mcs.com before the mut*u/Cos*r/Kel*y/Et.Al. posting
house could reply. They should be available on tape somewhere. CLAP-OFF

CLAP-ON If you want to talk issues and not idiotic postings, how about the
idiotic comments of mut*u for all these years? How about Cos*r refusing he
had anything to do with the forged posts till "the bell rang?"? How about
mut*u's token posts to soc.culture.jewish? How about KELLY? CLAP-OFF. 

> Your misconception, it is a free net.  Your censorship does not go
> beyond your machine.  Why are you trying to explain anything anyway?
> I got my own brains and don't need your nurturing.

CLAP-ON You got what? Is that why you found a blatant advertisment
posted in mostly unrelated groups "acceptable"? Is this why you found
mut*u's crosspostings from news.admin to soc.culture.australia,
soc.culture.jewish, news.groups, and alt.test "acceptable"? CLAP-OFF

> > to you that I don't like certain people because of their actions, NOT
> > because of their ethnicity? Did you ever complain when Happyface and
> > Co. were cross-posting their guts for four years? NOOOOOO.
> 
> Why should I complain? Because you would like it? They are doing a good
> job in wrecking you, and I get all smileys watching it happen.

CLAP-ON (Notice the limited vocabulary: 'wreck' has appeared in several
instances) Who wrecked who? Was I asked to post an apology? (two
actually, if you count the lame one). Did I get my accounts canned from
lots of machines? Did I forge postings idiotically? Did I post articles
from non-existing hosts for months at a time? CLAP-OFF

> Ah, what challenges you in my postings? As I said, you aren't getting
> entertained, you are getting exposed.  Have you noticed yet?

CLAP-ON If I weren't getting entertained, I would not be posting these.
Simple. But the CLAPPER-FOR-BRAIN can't think otherwise, can it? CLAP-OFF

#include <cascade.h>
> > > > > Mustafa Soysal
> > > > 
> > > > But still no kute .signature
> > 
> > > Sorry, I am not here to please you.  Do you think the world should
> > > revolve around you?
> > 
> > Nah, should the world revolve around me I'd have to buy me a suit and tie
> > to look good on the evening news. (In Greek "Se doulevw reeeee").
> 
> So why are you trying to get entertainment so hard? Can't live without
> hassles?

CLAP-ON Because I live in a "culturally challenged" part of the United States.
(Indianapolis, IN), where "every 'mut*u's' cherished, every 'Cos*r's'
appreciated, every 'Soysal's' enjoyed at its best"... CLAP-OFF

> > > Who cares whether or not if you are impressed.  Do you think people are
> > > trying to entertain you? I don't think any posting of you is reasonable,
> > > but who cares?  Are you going to stop posting because of that?
> > 
> > Here's exhibit A your honor: Cable TV at $23.95 a month. Usenet is free.
> > Which one is more entertaining? Usenet, of course. At ANY PRICE.
> 
> I bet some are entertained very well by your postings.  That means you
> are in show business now, put on the suit and tie.

CLAP-ON Suits and Ties are for the "voluntarily unemployed"
(consultants :-)) and grad students when they show up for interviews.
In fact, I don't even OWN a suit.  (These big&tall sizes never go on
sale, sigh). I do own a few ties, though. CLAP-OFF

> That is a wreck.  Quick, Mr mut*u, he needs it really bad.

CLAP-ON Do you have a fetish for the word 'wreck'? And 'Mr. mut*u?' CLAP-OFF

> > (he actually has a cute .signature, but it's made out of non-printable chars, 
> > like \033\011\012\012\012\011\001\001\000\000\000). 
> 
> So, did you decode them yet?  It might be a secret message.

CLAP-ON Sure. If you take each character and AND it with mut*u's birthday in
Julian Date, you get the ascii equivalent. In your case it would read: CLAP-OFF

	CLAP-ON ".sig still waiting mut*u's approval". CLAP-OFF

> > Argh. Now I've done it. He's going to put me in his kill file... Wasn't a 
> > famous Ottoman (TM) that said that "Kill files are a sign of intellectual
> > inadequacy?"
> 
> As for inadequacy, try to note the difference between e-mail kill files and
> news kill files.  I guess there is no chance. <>

CLAP-ON You seem decent enough, Mustafa. I'll give it to you in simple
terms.  Here's the scoop. Out of the "Big Four" in anatolia, you're
the only one to follow up on my postings (rantings, actually, my sense
of self-knowledge is supreme). Cos*r only posts infrequent small
messages, with little entertaining value.  Mut*u's gone for now, and
even when he was here (COME BACK PLEASE), his entertaining value was
lost between the quotes. KEL*Y only posts stuff Mut*u wrote without
the kute-quotes. So that leaves you to bear the load. CLAP-OFF

CLAP-ON Had you been smart enough you'd realize that you should not try
to converse with me, as I'm no amateur in the field of flaming. I was
flaming and being flamed when you were in High School in Turkiye. I
rarely enjoy engaging rational, reasonable people in flamefests, but
there are cases where they are asking for it. CLAP-OFF

> I set the followup to alt.flame, as you seem to have nothing to say on
> the subject.  I bet you'll find all the entertainment you want there.

CLAP-ON Nope. It will continue to haunt you in soc.culture.turkish and
cross posted to soc.culture.greek. Mutley&Co played the followup to
and crosspost game for years and nobody minded. Do you? CLAP-OFF

> Mustafa Soysal

> \033\011\012\012\012\011\001\001\000\000\000 		(added by tri*)

CLAP-ON It's hard to flame people when their brains have all the same
CPU power as the CLAP-ON, CLAP-OFF, THE CLAPPER... You just don't get
it, Mustafa, Just Don't Get It (SE DOULEVEI XONTRA TWRA, REEEEE) CLAP
OFF CLAP-OFF CLAP-OFF (end-of-clapper session, 3 CLAP-OFFS and pause).

SERIOUS SUMMARY:

The real difference between us, Mustafa, is that you (and Cos*r and
Mut*u) don't like me just because of where I come from. No matter if I
posted the source code to the comment-to-source-code-interpreter to
the net, you would never see any value in it because it was written by
a "Sipa" (your words), an "Infidel", as the Ottomans (TM) would say.
In such a conflict, issues don't matter.

In my case, I don't like you because of what you do or say. I have
flamed non-Turks, non-Moslems, etc in this HBM debate (in particular in
news.admin since the people we're talking about can not/will not rise to
defend themselves using real arguments in these groups, only rehashed
quotes.  I'm sure you're a nice guy beneath this MYSTIK layer of yours,
just like Mut*u and Cos*r are.  One does not get to work at A*&T or be a
Ph.D. candidate by being a jerk. But how can I like someone who dislikes
me for being Greek, not for what I do or write or say?

As for your argument that "I am afraid of all these Turkish and Moslem
people", I am sorry to say it is idiotic. My own wife is non-Greek
(Iranian), my mother-in-law is Moslem, three of my ex-roommates from
college were Moslems (one from Sarajevo, another from Lebanon, one from
Erythria/Ethiopia). I can count among my friends just about every
nationality (except "Macedonians" :-)).  That's because I get to like or
dislike people for what they are, not  where they're from or which
religion they follow. I realize that Greece, by its virtue (?) of being
99% ethnic Greek does sometimes suffer from ethnic stuck-ups, just like 
other homogeneous countries (i.e Japan). I've worked for 10 years to
change that perception among non Greeks and have successfuly been
accepted in all non-Greek circles. To have someone like you write stuff
like the quote above, i.e. pure stereotyping, is just saddening.

Spiros
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                   by403@cleveland.freenet.edu
OUZO POWER                                  [Not Really in Cleveland]