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From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:32:58 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

In article <13OCT199220375024@rosie.uh.edu>, st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
|> 
|> Someone mentioned political correctness in models.  Let me ask you folks a
|> question.  What do you do with those swastikas and things you find that
|> may offend people when placed on models?  I mean if you live in Europe and
|> happen to be building a model of the Bismarck and want to make it as accurate
|> as possible, do you hedge and not put that huge swastika on the bow?
|> 

The purpose of scale modeling is to ACCURATELY recreate in miniature what 
is or was in real life.  I'd leave them on.  It doesn't mean I agree with
the philosophy behind the symbol.  I don't.  Besides, I'm not a big fan
of this 'politically correct' stuff. IMHO all of the arguing about 'how' to
say things, what is and is not acceptable, etc., is in itself a form of
attempted censorship which causes more problems and tensions than it solves.
I don't consider myself insensitive (although that would be better judged by
others, not myself) but it would never have occurred to me NOT to put on all
pertinent scale markings, including swastikas.  Or Confederate flags in a 
Civil War diorama (I'm from Texas, and that's a sensitive issue in these parts).
Or any other item that might be potentially offensive to some individuals.  
Care should be taken to insure that symbols of hate, oppression, etc., are 
indeed accurately portrayed, though, and not accidentally glorified or 
idealized, as might have been the case in the past.

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From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Slot Cars Anyone?
Keywords: Aurora, Tyco, Thunderjet 500, Faller
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:59:30 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS

st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:

)I got a few under my bed.  One is a real oldie (at least for me).  It's a
)1975 Aurora car that still runs (well, 5 years ago it still did!).

I have my Aurora cars, track, and catalog with it's 1964 prices but I 
think I will
hold on to them for a while more.
-- 
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NCR Corp.  Peripheral Products Division   Disk Array Development
3718 N. Rock Road  Wichita KS 67226   (316)636-8783
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From: pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Carl Pettypiece)
Subject: Origins? (WAS Re: Swastikas)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:10:39 GMT

In article <1bnjh7INNpvo@sol.usc.edu> barney@sol.usc.edu (Barney Lum) writes:
>apuri@us.oracle.com (Arvind Puri (Dr. Bombay)) writes:
>
>>   I'm kinda curious, how did an ancient Hindu religious symbol for prosperity
>>get adopted by the Finnish AF and the WWII Lufwaffe ? 
>
>If the symbol you're typing about is the same as the one I'm thinking about, 
>it's "opposite" of a swastika.  That is, the swastika seems to rotate (due 
>to the "thrusters") counter-clockwise while the Hindu one goes clockwise?

The religious symbol that is referred to here is to my knowledge
that used in the Zoroastrian Faith.  Before WWII, it was their
main symbol, I think, but after talking with some Zoroastrian
friends of mine, they try to avoid using it because of
associations.  Not only was it reversed but it was also not
rotated 45 degrees as was the Nazi symbol.  I seem to remember
these friends saying that it meant fire (as a positive, natural force).
I've also heard rumour that Hitler did dabble with Zoroastrianism
for a bit and some of the ideology was used for his own needs
(taken a bit too literally, I'm afraid).  Can anyone confirm (or
deny) this?

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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: F104 kits etc.
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:56:26 GMT
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Matt,
RE: 72 spitfire... Yes they are old but the Frog model (available as
NOVA) is a good kit as is the KP model.  THe KP is a IX with either
stub or long wings and has very nice detail inside and out.

It may be hard to find, but it is still on the market.

There are also a number of after market etched brass interiors
available.

Julian Yudelson
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From: andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut)
Subject: Re: Trains (was: What's the purpose of this group?)
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: /net/king/usr1/andre/.organization
	<RATINOX.92Oct3103813@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
	<ANDRE.92Oct5094711@king.slc.mentorg.com>
	<1992Oct6.170948.8582@nsscmail.att.com>
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:33:02

In article <1992Oct6.170948.8582@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:

   >In article <ANDRE.92Oct5094711@king.slc.mentorg.com> andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:

   >>Trains are right out, sorry; try rec.models.railroad.

   >   [Lurker pauses, dons asbestos suit]

   >Excuse me, but I >DO< build model trains...    I >DO NOT< have a model
   >railroad.  Does this mean I'm not welcome here?

   >I mean--  I build static scale models of actual full-size pieces of
   >railroad equipment, but they don't move.  The trains are set on a
   >piece of track and often enclosed in a glass/plastic enclosure to
   >look at.  They are not powered.

Model railroading covers modelling trains.  There are plenty of us that go
out and photograph the prototype (full scale) trains and then spend time
building rolling-stock and locomotives.  Many of these also end up as
static displays, though personally I like to seem them move.

While this group seems to cover modelling in general, which would
certainly include modelling railroads, trains, etc..., rec.models.railroad
specifically covers those topics, making it more appropriate.  You
could also post to the newsgroup "general", but you are less likely
to find an audience that is geared to the builder of model trains.  I
don't think that you would be unwelcome posting to rec.models.scale,
but you would certainly be welcome to participate in rec.models.railroad.

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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Same Kit?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:20:00 GMT

Browsing through my catalogs, I found something that caught my eye.  Matchbox
makes a very well known kit of a Flower Class Corvette in 1/72nd scale.  It
retails for $140.  

However, Revell of Germany ALSO sells a Flower Class Corvette in 1/72nd scale
but is marketed as the USS Saucy.  It retails for $150.  

The funny thing is Revell calls their kit a reissue of a Matchbox kit, but how
can that be when Matchbox still makes and sells the kit!  Well, if the 
Matchbox kit is entirely different (which it is not) then I suppose Revell
can call it a reissue... I don't know.  I sincerely believe that both of the
kits are the same.  

Any comments.  I'd loved to hear them.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

BTW, I called the company that sold the two kits.  They have no ideal as to
whether they are identical.

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From: Ha Quang Le <hqle@daisy.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Help: model cars (1/18 scale)
Originator: hqle@daisy.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:05:56 GMT



 I am particularly interested in the following model cars (1/18 scale):
    + 1982 Cadillac
    + 1962 Lincoln
    + "A" Model Ford
    + Older Chrysler Cars
    + Older G.M. Cars (Old Pontiac Buick Roadmaster etc)
    + 1963 Chev.
 Please give me information about where, and how I can get these cars
 if you know.
 Thanks a lot.
 Ha Le
From: matt@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: F104 kits etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:18:04 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Thanks to those who responded to my query on F104 kits.  The new castings
from Hasegawa seem to be the way to go.  To push things further, does anyone
know anything about the ESCI, Matchbox, and Airfix F104 kits?  Are they really
THAT bad?

And while we're at it, does anyone make a good model of a Supermarine Spitfire
in 1/72 scale, particularly a Mk VIII or IX?  Most of the kits available
seem pretty old and look it.

Matt
From: gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: HELP! SdKfz 11/SdKfz 251 tracks
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:00:11 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:

>> 
>> If the tracks are cast in resin, which I suspect, I usually heat
>> the parts in hot water or with a hairdrier and form the tracks
>> to the requiered shape. Then I glue the parts together and on
>> the wheels. It is very easy, but don't heat the parts over open
>> flames.
>> Goran

>Kasten track is injection-molded. And I believe that the SdKfz 251 set is
>more complex than just fitting the individual links together. There are 
>rubber blocks that go on, as well? I'll check to see if someone around here
>has done that track recently, and would let me Xerox the instructions to
>send you.

>Kasten is good stuff, but almost always has sinkholes. You might as well start
>filling and sanding now... :-)

>Randy
>-- 

Ah, they are made link by link? I didn't know that.

Goran
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From: rbean@netcom.com (William Chen)
Subject: Re: Mecha and Horror figures?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:18:52 GMT


Several Years ago Zero, a garage kit maker was selling a 1/12 scale soft vinl
kit of the Madox 01. I found it at NewType model shop in San Francisco for
$150. It was a very nice kit very detailed exterior and interior. The hatches
are movable and you can place the 1/12 scale pilot, your choice of male or
 female in the suit. So yes the MADOX Kit WAS availible years ago. If you can
look past the price tag and are determined to get one, give them a call. At
$150 for a 12" tall kit I don't think the kit was a hot seller.
their address
NewType Model and toys. 1531 10th St. SF, Ca. 94122
-Will
DEESCLAIMER? WEE DON'T NEED NO STEENKIN DEESCLAIMER!!

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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:22:32 GMT

Well, I've never built any WWII German models, but rest assured that all of
the Formula One racer models I've built have had FULL Marlboro or Camel 
signage, not the sterilized markings required at the Grands Prix of Germany,
Britain, and(next year) France.  Tobacco sponsorship of the cars is allowed
at the vast majority of the 16 races on the schedule, and that's the way my
Ferraris and Benettons have been done, dammit.

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: carey@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Charlie Carey (carey@moefine.lerc.nasa.gov))
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Any IPMS members over there ?
Keywords: IPMS
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:47:00 GMT
Organization: Sverdrup Technology Inc., NASA LeRC Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct4.210620.5987@nntp.hut.fi>, c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes...
>Like the subject said, are there any (certainly there are, but where ?) IPMS 
>members here among the users ?
> 
>Regards,
>IPMS-Finland member #Fi-889
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
>  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
>  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
>  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++

    Charlie Carey                IPMS-USA#5282 and 30918 (until they fix up the records)
    PO Box 174
    Litchfield, OH USA
    carey@moefine.lerc.nasa.gov
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From: jkasunic@minotaur (J. Kasunic)
Subject: Re: Mecha and Horror figures?
Organization: University of Waterloo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:58:58 GMT

   
If you're really interestd in these types of models. There is a a chain of
hobby shops in canada called the Siver Snail. they carry a wide variety of
Mecha (lots of Patlabor , which I highly recomend) and the store in Hamilton,
Ontario has a garage kit of Pumpkinseed . It was made by an independant company
and is highly rare.  My friend who work's there says they're selling it
for about $100.00 canadian.  I don't know their mailing address but thier
phone number is 1-(416)-522-9366
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LOOK I GOT A SIGNATURE FILE! WOWEE!
From: cstone@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Charlie Stone 4915162)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Peanut Scale
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:57:40 GMT
Organization: Network Computer Centre, Telecom, Perth

In article <14OCT199212064429@elroy.uh.edu> st1ec@elroy.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
>In article <9210141339.AA13089@spot.src.honeywell.com>, stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes...
>>   Since no one else has answered the question on what are they, I'll take
>>a crack.  Peanut scale models are small flying models, usually flown during
>>indoor meets (although some contests do feature outdoor peanut).  While
>>there are several rules, the main one is that the wingspan must not exceed
>>13 inches.  Pistachio are smaller, but I don't remember the exact size,
>>since I haven't built one yet.  Peanut is hard enough for me.
>
>Hey, thanks for the explanation.  Sounds interesting.  Where do you get 
>more information on how to start this hobby?  I like tiny things especially
>if they work so your help is greatly appreciated.

For information on indoor modelling, agood reference book is ` Building
and flying Indoor Model Airplanes' by Ron Williams - might be available from
Peck Polymers.  While there I think that Bob Peck wrote a book on indoor
modelling, but I haven't seen that one.

Model builder used to publish peanut plans and info every month for a
while and I hear that they are about to start again.  If you can find
someone with back issues of Model Builder they may help you.

Charlie Stone.
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From: mauricio@gauss.aero.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: Modelcad
To: rec-models-scale@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Modelcad, where, how 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:01:20 GMT

--------


In article <9OCT199214344928@rosie.uh.edu>, st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
|> In article <9210091342.AA22377@spot.src.honeywell.com>, stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes...
|> >   Is anyone using MODELCAD?  I have been using some shareware CAD software
|> >to do model drawings for scratchbuilding.  The adds for MODELCAD sure look
|> >good.  But then I don't always believe all I read in ads, especially for
|> >software.  Anyway, if anyone has tried the package, I'd be interested in
|> >impressions.
|> 
|> Hey, I posted a query on this a while back.  I want to know about MODELCAD
|> too AND the ftp site where you get your CAD stuff.  I've wanted to use one
|> of those tools for quite sometime now.  Thanks.
|> 
|> Oliver
|> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

	I am also interested in this Modelcad.  If anyone knows how to get this program, please let me know!



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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Lighthouses
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.194844.13114@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jrobinso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith L Robinson) writes...
>I think I would like to try my had at some modeling.  Does anyone know of any 
>lighthouse kits?
> 
>--
>Judy
>     Robinson.19@osu.edu

Judy,

Boy, am I on a roll or what!  Flipping through a catalog here.... yes, here
she is:  The Cape Hatteras Lighthouse in 1"=16' or 1/192 scale and is over
14" in height and has a flashing signal light.

It costs $89.99 and can be ordered from (I hope I can list company addresses
legally here):

Pastimes
4944 Commerce Parkway
Cleveland, OH 44128 

or call (800)372-5282 and ask for stock number 39644 or better yet ask for
their catalog.  They got "gigoonsa" stuff!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
From: vkelly@mizar.usc.edu (Valerie Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Looking for Monograms 82 Vette 1/8th Scale
Date: 16 Oct 1992 20:14:29 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Hi There! I am a new poster, so please bear with me. My husband has a
1/8th scale model of an 82 Corvette that he bought at an auction.  

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From: hlagos@malloco.ing.puc.cl (Hector Lagos Arevalo, DF)
Subject: looking for a Su-27 Flanker model
Reply-To: hlagos@malloco.ing.puc.cl
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:05:54 GMT

	Hi, anyone knows it there exist a 1/48 - 1/32 scale model of the Su-27 ?
(Su-27 UB will be cool ...)

Thanks in advance.

- Hector.

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From: rmk@baal.unh.edu (Robert M. Kenney)
Subject: looking for a KC-135 Stratotanker
Originator: rmk@baal.unh.edu
Organization: USNH Computer Services, Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:19:25 GMT



	I've been looking for a plastic (Revell?) model of this beastie for
   my father, and haven't met with any success.  It seems that they've been
   out of production for a while now, so all I can hope for is one that's
   been stashed somewhere for reasons unknown.

	Anybody remember seeing one lately?  Still in the box, of course.
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From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Same Kit?
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:43:18 GMT
Organization: The Nibelungenlied Incorporated

In article <9OCT199215200672@rosie.uh.edu> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:

(1/72 scale Flower class corvette)
>The funny thing is Revell calls their kit a reissue of a Matchbox kit, but how
>can that be when Matchbox still makes and sells the kit!  Well, if the 
>Matchbox kit is entirely different (which it is not) then I suppose Revell
>can call it a reissue... I don't know.  I sincerely believe that both of the
>kits are the same.  

They ARE indeed. See comments below.

>Any comments.  I'd loved to hear them.

Ditto.

>Oliver
>st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

>BTW, I called the company that sold the two kits.  They have no ideal as to
>whether they are identical.

They are the very same kits under just a different company name. Kit companies
Revell, Matchbox, Airfix, Heller and Monogram are today owned by same company 
and they reissue each others' kits under different labels. The Flower class 
corvette has just been reissued by Revell (US), like Monogram has packaged the 
Revell 1/48 Me 109 G-10/K. The Matchbox kits they sell might just be old 
stocks, or it might still be manuufactured under Matchbox label in a different
place. Similarly, the Heller 1/72 Me 109 K is today manufactured both under
Heller (France) and Airfix (UK) "Aircraft of the Aces" ranges.
Hope this helped.


  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
From: loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Motorcycles
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:39:47 GMT
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials


	Does anyone know of a line of scale plastic model motorcycles
besides Tamiya?  I'm looking for 1:5-1:15 scale with a mix of styles
(race, sport, cruiser, dirt, tour) in relatively current models.
Tamiya is the only one that I know of that carries a significant
number of streetbikes.

	For those with catalogs, I'm looking for models of the Honda
NT650 GT Hawk, Honda NTV600 Revere and the Yamaha FJ1100.

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From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Jouef/REvell (was Re: model cars (1/18 scale) )
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:42:18 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
NNTP-Posting-Host: tyger.east.sun.com

On the subject of 1/18 cars...

While in England recently, I picked up a gorgeous 1/18 Ferrari 330P4
(diecast) model. It was made by Jouef, but distributed in the UK by
Revell. The box lists a couple of other models in the series, including
a Ford GT40. Does anyone know who distributes this series in the US and
where I might find this GT40?

Geoff

PS Also, does anyone know where I can get 1/18 scale decals?
The 330P4 comes only with a couple of Ferrari logos: I'd like
to detail it in Le Mans trim.

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From: d88-jli@nada.kth.se (Jouni Lindqvist)
Subject: (was) Re: Modelcad, whatabout Xmodelcad?
Keywords: freeware CAD for X-windows?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:37:13 GMT

Is`nt there any cad programs that doesn`t cost anything on the net?
That is, that runs on a Sun Sparcstation under X-windows or similar.

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