HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:10:35 GMT

In article <713516416.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:
>Hello David!
>
> DBA> For your Info, the only casualty in Israel from the Scuds were killed
> DBA> by the sharpnel from a Patriot. Apart from PR from Rayetheon this
> DBA> was only a sleeping pill for the Israeli public who looked at it as
> DBA> "saviour" - while it wasn't.
>
>Was there any way to confirm this?  I clearly saw the TV footage (until they
>were instructed to 'pan away') evidence on a couple of firings that the patriot
>missile arced upward...completely missed its intended target...and came right
>down over the territory it was supposed to defend!  If this is true...can we
>really trust and rely on a system that shoots at its own side after faulty
>guidance??
>
>       I saw this film too.  What happens is that a tracking solution is
	calculated to bring the Patriot within lethal range of the target.
	If the target is moving fast enough and you pick up late enough then
	your tracking solution is somewhere below ground level.

	It should be pointed out that there were a couple of deaths on
	the first night as a result of shock and asphyxiation (not taking
	out the stopper on the gas nmask).

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:17:09 GMT

grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:

>gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:

>> was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or
>> military)? A lot of time and money is spent on bacteriological
>>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> warfare and it seems obivious that someone would want to test the
>> effects of one of these diseases in the outside world.
>>

>AIDS is caused by a virus, not a bacterium.

      They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!
                            ^^^^^
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns  (Was:  Re:  A random thought)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:48:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.051358.10753@mr.med.ge.com>, bednarek@picard.med.ge.com
(Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:

>   Before you attack hunting you better check facts rather than just
>   listen to Bamby stories.  Have you ever seen a winter herd of deer
>   that was under the torment of famine because there number was too
>   large for the food supply.  Have you ever seen a fawn die of starvation.
>   Do you know that many more deer die of starvation in winter than
>   fall prey to hunters in many states?  

Point in case.  Michigan's deer herd is at it's highest level in known
history.  The DNR has made it possible to obtain multiple permits (for
a least the last 2 years, perhaps more... I forget).  The only thing
that has saved the herd, is the mild winters for the last 2 years.  I
think I heard estimates that a harsh winter would kill 3/4 of the herd
(animals which eventually starve, still eat food, leaving less for the
rest of the herd).  They are try to trim the herd back, so more will
survive the winter.

Also, the deer become a nuisance at some point; High levels of crop
damage (which you pay for at the market), more car-deer accidents, etc.

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: tek@ms.uky.edu (Thomas E. Kunselman)
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Every Successfully Untaxed?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:18:42 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

pkershaw@dce.com writes:

>One organization has untaxed over 30,000 people in the past 7 years. They
>are structured for those who are not having any IRS harassment issues,
>garnishments, or seizures. Another organization retains a large staff of
>attorneys and para-legals, and files law suits against the IRS in an effort
>to recover stolen bank accounts and property (the IRS calls it seizure).
>This organization has successfully sued the IRS over 3000 times, just since
>early T90. Most cases are now quickly settled out of court, when the IRS

And what are the names of these two organizations?
-- 
Thomas Kunselman                               {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!tek 
Office of Planning & Assessment          	bitnet: vaatek@ukcc.bitnet
#8 Administration Building			internet:tek@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns (Was: Re: A random thought)
Organization: Blue Moon
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 16:59:55 GMT

dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>All this discussion about techniques for killing animals reminds
>me of George Orwell's story, "Shooting an Elephant". A masterpiece
>which conveys very well the horror and cruelty of hunting.

 Ah, a work of fiction akin to a Stephen King novel then...  A fictional
horror story with little or no bearing on reality. 

-- 
\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.rn.com)   /

        Tested on dolphins and assorted helpless furry creatures

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pete@uunet!ctbilbo (Pete Ritter)
Subject: test
Organization: Communications Technology Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:07:43 GMT

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asdfasdfasdfasdfasdf


This has been another test.

-- 
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* Pete Ritter    uunet!ctbilbo!pete          |    Yu no can kaikai buai na    *
* Communications Technology Corp. Dallas, Tx |    spet long makit.            *
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From: keithh@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Keith Harwood)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Fletcher Prouty's New Zealand Story (JFK)
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:14:19 GMT
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Originator: keithh@sydrd14


 In article <1992Aug12.010738.24134@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
> The quality of the photo looked better than what I get with my modern FAX
> machine.
> 
> 
> Also electronic typesetting did not exist. Typesetting was done by hand and took
> the whole night to typeset a newspaper.
 
In the early sixties The News (Adelaide evening paper, closed shop last year)
received wire photos and was able to remake the front page in half an hour and
get the next edition on the streets in less than an hour.

The photos by wire process was a true grey-scale process and could send
photographs barely distinguishable from the originals. The output came
on photographic paper, not office stationery.
 
The paper was not set by hand, they used LinoType machines, which had been
around since the nineteenth century. The first edition was about 11.00a.m.
(if memory serves correctly) with later editions at about 1.00p.m., 3.00p.m.
and 5.00p.m. (that's on the street in central Adelaide). Changes between 
editions usually included both the front page and several other editorial
pages. I have seen events (unexpected, unpredicatable events) that happened
after noon reported on the front page of the one o'clock edition. So, not
only could they remake the paper and have it out in less than an hour,
they could do it every day, year in, year out. 
 
For predicable events I think the record is held by the Melbourne Herald, 
which in those days could get the result of the Melbourne Cup with
photograph on the streets within twenty minutes of the end of the race.

Don't fall into the von Daniken trap. Don't say that because it was so long
ago and people were so terribly primitive that they couldn't do what they
did without help from (the supernatural/extra-terrestrials/the CIA).

Keith Harwood.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns (Was: Re: A random thought)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:14:50 GMT

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

>Famine and predators take the weakest, ultimately strengthening the herd
>and the species.  Hunters take the best and strongest (trophies, more
>meat), weakening the herd and the species.

	I disagree.  While this is true, I believe humans are just as
opportunistic as wolves when it comes to hunting.  We're killing the
stupid, healthy or not, but the healthy ones who are smart should live
fairly long lives.  Just as in fishing, one doesn't often get a chance
to "select" the animal you would prefer.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: rda834x@nella4.cc.monash.edu.au (J. Zufi)
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:25:23 GMT

eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) writes:

>Wrong. The Patriot is a radar guided missile, using a rather interesting 
>guidance method called _Track-via-Missile_. It does not have any IR sensors
>at all. The Scud missile is guided. It uses a simple strap-down inertial
>guidance system. It is also a ballistic missile, not a cruise missile (the
>V-1 buzz bomb was among the first cruise missiles in the world, it even had
>a _very_ primitive guidance system. It turned off the fuel after a certain
>time.).

Is it a fact that the original purpose of the Patriot was an anti-aircraft
missile, whose task was to explode in the vicinity of an aircraft, thereby
releasing approx 700 metal shards into the air, shredding the target?

-- 
[  Jonathan Zufi                  | rda834x@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au   
[  Robotics & Digital Technology  | zuf@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au          
[  Monash Univeristy, Caulfield	  | "Why?" Topic on English Literature exam. 
[  Melbourne, Australia		  | "Why not?" Student answer, received 99%
From: jharring@banner.prime.com (Joe Harrington)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: a random thought
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:51:47 GMT
Reply-To: jharring@banner.UUCP (Joe Harrington)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

>I don't think guns should be banned.  But the reasons which impelled our
>forefathers to write the 2nd Amendment have, for all intents and
>purposes, evaporated...or made obsolete.

Here's one reason from one forefather that would seem to be valid today:
"An unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-Thomas Jefferson

Hereabouts (eastern Mass.) we have a relatively recent innovation in
violent crime, which the police have termed "home invasion".  A gang
of youths break into a house in the middle of the night, terrorizing,
sometimes raping, the occupants and stealing whatever cash or valuables
might be found.  Typically the victims are elderly.  All the cops
in the world driving all the fully-dressed Crown Vics eating all
the Dunkin' Donuts won't be able to protect me from this type of
attack.  My only hope is to hear them as they are coming in and
getting my hands on my loaded gun quickly, killing the intruders
before they kill me.  With out a gun, I'm at their mercy.  
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.bush
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Candidates and their women
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:31:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.094733.597@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>	But I think this misses the main point.  Why has the press had
>free reign to bludgeon Gary Hart, Clinton and others with stories of
>their picadillos but seems to just now be coming out of its strait
>jacket with respect to GHWB?

They are coming out now, 12 weeks before his re-election, to do maximum
damage to him politically.  That is why Clinton campaigners
(heck, even Hillary Clinton! - in Vanity Fair no less!) have been seeding
the sleaze in the press.  It goes without saying that bringing up
derogatory claims with no real supporting evidence wouldn't exactly work
if it was done at an earlier time. 

Besides, I actually think the Clinton campaign prefers to insinuate false
charges, because it makes it easier for them then to deny, by way of
analogy, their own Jennifer story. Thus, a character "issue" becomes
"innoculated".

Pat
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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,pa.general,phl.misc
Subject: An Appeal to Perot Supporters
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:58:45 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system


    "What America needs is less government, not more efficiently run big 
government. As details about Ross Perot's economic plans become known, it is 
obvious that the type of change he would have brought isn't what America 
desperately needs," says John McManus the president of the John Birch 
Society.
     "It's understandable why so many Americans remain displeased with the 
choices offered by Democratsand Republicans. If we look at the single issue 
of government indebtedness," he claims, "it's obcious that the agendas 
offered by Clinton and Bush will only make matters worse. They continue to 
promise more foreign aid and more federal expenditures for a host of unfunded 
programs here at home. This translates to additional red ink."
   The Birch Society leader has examined the Perot economic plan and finds 
that the media's characterization of it as "strong medicine" is misleading. 
"Yes, it recomends a few cuts in a few minr government programs - but nearly 
enough," he insists. "A good portion of the Perot five-year plan to balance 
the budget involes lots of new taxation."
     "Our organization has always called for less government, not more. We 
should let the Constitution be our guide. ANyone who relies on the basic law 
of the land will find no authorization (hence via the tenth amendment to the 
constitution is prohibited to the Fesderal government;why not read the 
constitution and carefuly read the tenth amendment?) whatsoever for costly 
federal programs in the areas of education,housing, welfare, the arts, 
medical care, energy, agriculture, foreign aid, and numerous other fields. 
These are the means by which our own government is gaining control over every 
American."
    With rising interest payments on federaldebt noe costing the American 
people over $300 BILLION PER YEAR (mre than $1,000 for eery person in this 
nation),Mr. McManus welcomes the attention the Dallas businessman has given 
to deficit spending. "But there are two ways to bring a budget into balance," 
he ads, "and raising taxes is not the better way."
    "The other way to balance the budget," claims the Birch leader, "is phase 
out many of the massively expensive UNCONSTITIONAL(see U.S Constitution and 
the tenth amendment) programs that are bleeding the American people white and 
turning our nation into a socialist quagmire."
     His advice to Perot supporters? "Take a good look at our 
Society'sprograms for rescuing our nation from the cluthes of Democrats and 
Republicans. The proven record of both political parties shows tha leaders of 
each are greasing the skids for America's entry into a new world order run by 
the very few who run our nation's government. And no TRUE AMERICAN wants 
that!"
John F. Mcmanus
President the John Birch Society
P.O. Box 8040
Appleton, WI 54913
414-749-3780

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The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:50:00 GMT

In article <1299600059@igc.org> Robert D. Bernstein <rbernstein@igc.org> writes:
>
>A recent post asked about the effectiveness of Patriot missiles against
>Scuds. A couple of notes:
>
>1) The Patriot is a heat-seeking missile.
>
	The Patriot is guided by a radar system called TVM (track-via-missile)
	that uses a rather nifty phased array.  It's an area defense
	weapon designed to shoot down aircraft with the anti-missile
	capability a distant second.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: af052@yfn.ysu.edu (Richard A. Marshall)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:53:50 GMT


   Which makes one wonder why there is development of a
testing lab containing a wind tunnel for craft travelling in
the Mach 7 to Mach 15 range.  Makes one think that we may
have something there already.

-- 
From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:01:16 -0500

Hello Erik!

 >> Is it a fact that the original purpose of the Patriot was an
 >> anti-aircraft missile, whose task was to explode in the vicinity of an
 >> aircraft, thereby releasing approx 700 metal shards into the air,
 >> shredding the target?
 ESF>
 ESF> Well, without going into the number of fragments, yes.

Now...let's say that attack Patriot *misses* its intended target and falls back
towards the earth.  What option does the guiding technician have to minimize
casualties on the ground below??



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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: White House whistle-blower
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:03:37 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <25628@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.073847.194@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...
>>In article <1992Aug18.044153.2009@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Condon@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Condon) writes:
>>>Does anybody have any ideas as to who the unnamed "high White House official"
>>>was who tipped off the New York Times about Bush's plans for Iraq?
>> 
>>It was a planned leak by Bush and Baker...through some subordinate...
>>a little disinformation...a successful convention is too important
>>to Bush's reelection chances to bomb Baghdad during it.
> 
> On the other hand, the inspection team *was* scheduled to inspect a building
> to which they knew Saddam Hussein had sworn to not allow them access.  They
> changed plans after the leak ruined their element of surprise.  Certainly
> the convention was too important for Bush to allow such an inspection to 
> precipitate a humiliating stand-off for the U.S. during the convention.
> 
> I figure that either he really planned military action (he did promise to
> use any means necessary to get reelected) or he planted the leak to force
> the team to change their plans, thus avoiding the stand-off.
> 
> -Scott

	Has anybody else considered this possibility or am I the only one
paranoid on this subject?  Why the Iraqi Ag Ministry?  Were there perhaps
some documents expected to be found there that would relate to the Atlanta
Branch of the Bank of Lavaro scandal that Henry Gonzales is uncovering
that involves ag loans to Iraq that may have been used for arms?  Could
incriminating evidence be found there?  Why did Saddam give in when the
US was pulled off of the inspection team?
> --------------------
> Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
> SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
> 				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
> 				had been definitely settled, I think I would
> 				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:32:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:

>Hello Gary!

> GS> all about the fact that the previous time I had been in Tallahassee, the
> GS> first time, I moved into an apartment which had a phone already
> GS> installed in it, which somebody had hooked up illegally...I used the
> GS> phone then to call all over the country, cause it wasn't showing up on
> GS> my bill...Then, one night, the operator caught me, and I hung up
> GS> quickly...I didn't ever use the phone again, but later on, after I left
> GS> Tally, the phone company there called all over the country to try to
> GS> find me to make me pay for the charges...They called my whole family and

>...and so on...and so on...blah blah.

>Keep it going, Gary!  I need a script for my next fatasy movie...and you are the
>best damn ghost writer anyone could hope for (with the exception of Dan
>Quayle)!!  Don't stop!  Let you mind continue to flow with that trash and forget
>about taking your lithium for while.  This stuff is too good!


Rose, I don't take Lithium, so please stop insinuating that I do.  And
learn how to spell!  Fatasy is spelled =fantasy=...  By the way, someone
has noted that people tend to view me as a schiz because I use ellipses to
end my sentences.  The only reason I do this is from habit of being on the
Plato computer system that used to be at FSU.  I saw someone using this
style one time, and liked it so much I copied it, because it was pretty
unique.  However, now that I am bringing my story to the surface for the
whole world to see, and because I am writing for money, I will now
discontinue its use.  

I don't use it when I am writing my book!!  I still like exclamation
points, though, hehe!
 
-- 
Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Pt 2/2: INVASION!!!
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:02:30 -0500

Hello Gary!

 GS> made me suspect that my real parents were possibly in some other
 GS> parallel dimension...I jumped out of the car, but the security guard
 GS> came running up and grabbed me...He lifted me off my feet and carried me
 GS> fifty yards though the air into the Emergency Room and threw me into one
 GS> of the empty rooms...My fake parents signed me into the mental hospital,
 GS> and there I was again...After that, I started plotting my revenge...
 GS>
 GS> I hope this has "enlightened" you...

You're right!  Gave me the biggest *laugh* I had all week!  This is better than
taking the funny papers to the shitcan.  Are you sure you're not Dr. Seuss in
disguise?  I think they should name your show, "Mystery Stollman Theatre 3000"


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