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From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Re: Joshua Tree climbing suggestions
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:54:44 GMT
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For warmer climbing hit the Indian Cove Area... (Its out of the main
monument) but it is at a lower elevation and will be warmer.

2 of the best routes I've done are in Johnson (aka Cove) Canyon about
a 20 minute hike.  I dont remember the names but they were rated 5.7
and 5.9 and both over 100' long.  Neat place to go when every thing
else is crowded. 

Moosedog Tower has a couple of good multipitch lines on it.  Try the
stuff on Pixie Rock, and BillBoard Butress.  If you dont have the
large Vogel guide check out the Bartlett guide to just the Indian Cove
area.  It will get you to most of the routes.

The best climbing IN in the main monument but when we were there
around thanksgiving we spent 2 days climbing in Indian Cove because of
the weather conditions.   Also it is not as windy there...



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From: bhavik@athena.mit.edu (Bhavik R Bakshi)
Subject: Re: WINTER IN THE WHITE MTNS.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:21:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.152255.24992@inmet.camb.inmet.com>, daf@riviera.camb.inmet.com (Tony Flanders) writes:
|> 
|> By the way, have you also considered the Adirondacks?  The Range Trail
|> rivals the Presidential traverse in scenic beauty, although it is almost
|> entirely below treeline.  And the Range Trail in winter would be very
|> serious indeed -- *not* to be undertaken without a solid grounding in
|> ice climbing.  Also not to be undertaken if you don't enjoy snowshoeing
|> up absurdly steep slopes.
|> 
|>     - Tony Flanders
|> 	daf@inmet.camb.inmet.com


I am planning to go to the Adirondacks over Christmas, and was looking at the 
Range Trail as a possible route for a 4 day backpack.  Can you send me more
information about the conditions, and degree of experience required.  What part
of the trail requires ice-climbing experience?  Is it the climb to the Gothics?

Thanks.

Bhavik Bakshi
bhavik@athena.mit.edu
From: JEFF-G@cup.portal.com (Jeff - Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Wooden Boxes/Miniatures[D[D
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 03:24:58 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

vbarr@blaze.rutgers.edu (Valerie Barr) - Wooden Boxes
 
The Maine-Mat Mfg. Co. - PO Box 986 - Rockland, ME 04841  800-225-4847
Mfg. boxes in a variety of sizes either plain, stained, or stained/stenciled.
 Brochure shows a 5x8" 'recipie_box w/lid' Wholesale $6.75 each. 

deb@srconstl.mv.com (Debbie Sinamark)  Miniatures

Cherry Tree Toys - PO Box 369 - Belmont, OH 43718 - 800-848-4363
  
Catalog lists 5 pages of Doll_Houses, accessories, furniture, etc.
From: deb@srconstl.mv.com (Debbie Sinamark)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: miniature wholesale supply (catalogue)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:32:04 -0500
Organization: SRC Computer Consulting, Hudson, NH

does anyone know where i can order miniatures, like dollhouse
supplies, etc., thanks in advance 

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19 Sandalwood Road |  deb@srconstl.mv.com  |
Hudson, NH 03051   |                       |
From: Charles.N.Cole@dartmouth.edu (Charles N. Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: supplier for candles needed
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:42:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I'm interested in finding a supplier for candles for use in various
projects.  I live in a rural area and the few card shops that carry
candles have a very limited supply.  If anyone out there knows of a
company that does a mail order business including candles, I'd
appreciate receiving information.  Please send me response through my
internet address since I don't often read this newsgroup.  Thanks.
From: vbarr@blaze.rutgers.edu (Valerie Barr)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: unfinished wooden boxes
Keywords: boxes, wood..
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:05:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I would like to purchase some 5 x 8 unfinished wooden boxes.
I would appreciate any information regarding
	1. stores in the New York metropolitan area that carry them
	2. mail order catalogs from which I could order them

Thanks very much.

	Valerie Barr
	vbarr@paul.rutgers.edu
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From: "Gary A. Woodward" <p00140@psilink.com>
Subject: fine paper making.
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:29:55 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

I need a source (I'm doing some R & D) on how tomake a copier paper.  In 
lieu of the info can I pay some one to make some up for me?  E-mail is preferred.
thanks in advance. 

regards.

Gary
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: lsc@ssd.intel.com (Linda Cline)
Subject: Re: Bead Sources in NE
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.155323.26112@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> barb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (barbara.iskowitz) writes:
>Does anyone know of bead stores in the North East ( NY,NJ,PA) area.
>I know about RIO GRANDE and TSI for mail order.
>Also are there any places ( mail order or otherwise) that carry unusual 
>beads?  Does anyone have a favorite book on this topic? As you can tell 
>I am just starting this hobby. Thanks.

	I'm not that familiar with sources on the East Coast; however, I
know of a couple of places that you can try.  There is a store called
Beadazzled in Washington, D.C., that publishes a newsletter (The Beadstringer)
and a catalog (Beadzip).  You can get the catalog for $5.  The address is:
	Beadzip/Beadazzled
	1522 Connecticut Ave., N.W.
	Washington, D.C.  20036

	There is a Beadworks store (they're a chain, although I must admit
I'm not entirely impressed with their offerings) in Connecticut:
	Beadworks
	139 Washington Street
	South Norwalk, CT  06854  (203) 852-9194

	I'm sure there must be many good bead stores in NY/NJ.  I would contact
the Bead Society of Greater New York.  I don't have an address for them.
There is also a bead group called The Center for Bead Research:
	The Center for Bead Research
	c/o Peter Francis, Jr.
	4 Essex Street
	Lake Placid, NY  12946
I would contact them for recommendations on references and books.  You don't
say specifically what type of book you are interested in (historical, 
instructional), but as I recommended in another recent post, I find the
book "The History of Beads" a wonderful, comprehensive reference on all kinds
of beads.  In fact, I was surprised to see the type of beaded necklace that I 
had received as a gift from a Peace Corps friend in the Solomon Islands 
mentioned in detail in the book.

	good luck,
	linda

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the same place.  If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at
least twice as fast as that!"	
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From: barb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (barbara.iskowitz)
Subject: Bead Sources in NE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:53:23 GMT

Does anyone know of bead stores in the North East ( NY,NJ,PA) area.
I know about RIO GRANDE and TSI for mail order.
Also are there any places ( mail order or otherwise) that carry unusual 
beads?  Does anyone have a favorite book on this topic? As you can tell 
I am just starting this hobby. Thanks.
-- 
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From: lsc@ssd.intel.com (Linda Cline)
Subject: Re: African Glass Beads
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:59:34 GMT

In article <VGIBBS.92Dec30003518@dante.nmsu.EDU> vgibbs@nmsu.EDU (Victor R Gibbs) writes:
>Does anyone out there in the great abyss have a good source
>(wholesale or otherwise) for African glass beads? I am also interested
>in learning about the history of making these beads. Any help will be
>greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>vgibbs@dante.nmsu.edu

Since I haven't gotten into buying these beads (yet!) I can't tell you
where the best sources are, but I do know of one source.  John Paulus
of Africa John's does sales in African beads.  Address is P.O. Box 565,
Blodgett, OR 97326.  Phone is (503) 456-2012.  I don't know what he does
for mail order, but if he does not accomodate it, he may be able to direct
you to other sources.  I've only seen him at bead bazaars.

The best historical reference on beads, from all origins, I have found to
be "History of Beads" by Lois Sherr Dubin (Abrams, 1987, $65.00).  (It's
wonderful; I got it for Christmas!)  If you do not wish to buy a book this
comprehensive, you may want to check it out at your local library to see
the reference sources listed in the book, which may lead you to another
book more specific to African bead history.

	good luck,
	linda

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"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in
the same place.  If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at
least twice as fast as that!"	
                                        Lewis Carroll
                                        Through the Looking Glass
Linda Cline 			
Intel Supercomputer Systems Division 
Compiler Group
email: lsc@ssd.intel.com
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From: vgibbs@nmsu.EDU (Victor R Gibbs)
Subject: African Glass Beads
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:35:18 GMT

Does anyone out there in the great abyss have a good source
(wholesale or otherwise) for African glass beads? I am also interested
in learning about the history of making these beads. Any help will be
greatly appreciated. Thanks!

vgibbs@dante.nmsu.edu
From: EZ-as-pi@cup.portal.com (Bruce Robert Gilson)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Plan to set up small home machine shop
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:12:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Am seriously thinking of setting up a
home machine shop for making models and 
clocks and the like (no guns).  Anyone
else here do this?  Any suggestions re
lathes etc?  I have taken a machining
course and a drafting course.  Note--
my "studio" is a blocked off corner of
my living room in a city apartment!
Space is limited as are (to some extent)
funds.  What do you use and how is
it working for you?  Thanks, Deb Gilson
(EZ's wife).
(Please respond by E-mail, putting Deb's
name in the title so I can refer it
to her.)
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Stained Glass and agates
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:21:59 GMT
Keywords: neat combo

folks,

recently i've become the proud owner of 80-odd blue agate slabs
(the thin translucent kind) along with about 30 red-orange.  since
they are absolutely gorgeous when the light shines thru 'em, i
decided that i'd like to make some stained glass pictures or lamps
and incorporate them into the design.  has anyone already done
this?  can you cut agates with the bandsaw?

thanx in advance,

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From: rburkett@ucselx.sdsu.edu (burkett r)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Pottery
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:28:48 GMT
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

In article <1992Dec28.202649.22467@odin.corp.sgi.com> mchow@sgi.com (Mike Chow) writes:
>Any potters out there? I need a recommendation for a good electric
>pottery wheel and a place to buy tools, clay, etc. Mail order or
>San Francisco area.  thanks.
>
>Mike

Mike,
There are quite a few potters on the internet and bitnet. Most of the discussion
is on the ClayArt Listserver. Here's the info (it's free):

CLAYART is a forum for discussion of issues relating to clay.


CLAYART is a computer conference that serves as a means of communication 
for those interested in the ceramic arts. CLAYART is open to anyone wishing 
to participate, but will be particularly useful for those in ceramic-related 
areas of academia, private studios, galleries, etc. 

Appropriate postings may include:

* discussion of aesthetic issues * technical problems and solutions * exhibition 
opportunities * workshops/seminars * conference information * job 
announcements * grant information * book reviews

Messages for CLAYART are forwarded directly to list members. Please do 
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To join CLAYART, send the following e-mail message to:

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with the following message as the only text:

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From: ashbaugh@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lisa Ashbaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: WANTED:U.S.A. TEDDY BEAR
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: ashbaugh@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lisa Ashbaugh)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

My mother is trying to find a teddy bear for her grandchild's first
bear, but only wants one made in the U.S.A.  Well, in Maryland one doesn't
exist!!!  I know there are people who make their own, but since most
of the craft shows are over we can't get one.  Is there anyone who makes
them to sell because my mother is desperately looking for one.  Nothing
against other countries, but it is pretty bad when you can't seem to
find anything made in the United States anymore...

Thanks in advance,

Lisa Fisher
ashbaugh@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: mchow@sgi.com (Mike Chow)
Subject: Pottery
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:26:49 GMT

Any potters out there? I need a recommendation for a good electric
pottery wheel and a place to buy tools, clay, etc. Mail order or
San Francisco area.  thanks.

Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc,rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: felting
From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:50:07 GMT
Organization: Telerama
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Anne Chamberlain (chamberl@oasys.dt.navy.mil) wrote:

: What do you do with your felt?  What are you making it for?

I make felt squares (about 12 x 12) into potholders/hotpads by adding
some edge stiching and a loop, or use it to make soft, stuffed toys.
I am working on a felt square throw (using 4x4 squares cut from larger
squares) for my chilly living room. I'm also planning a felted rug for
the hall.

Felt balls make great cat toys, safe indoor throwing toys, hand
exercisers, or pin cushions (when cut in half).

Most of the felt I make is sold through my mail-order business. Some
of it I use for personal projects (like the throw and rug).

When I get tired of making small pieces, I will start creating larger
pieces for clothing. I saw some really lovely felt jackets at
FiberFest this summer.

What do other felters do?

--Kristen McQuillin
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From: wgh@core.rose.hp.com (Bill Hooper)
Subject: Wholesale crafts in San Francisco
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:42:11 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

The subject line should say it all. Does anyone have a list of wholesale
craft supply stores in the San Francisco area?

Thanks!

--
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Hewlett Packard
Information Networks Division, Systems Interconnect Lab
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From: casimira@hq.lcs.mit.edu (Paula Mickevich)
Subject: Re: Bead Sources in NE
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:51:17 GMT


lsc@ssd.intel.com (Linda Cline) says:
        There is a Beadworks store (they're a chain, although I must admit
I'm not entirely impressed with their offerings) in Connecticut:
        Beadworks
        139 Washington Street
        South Norwalk, CT  06854  (203) 852-9194
----------
Beadworks just opened in September in Cambridge Mass in Harvard Square.
They sell mostly loose single beads for retail prices. Lots of glass from
India, porcelain, crystal, some African Trade and mostly cheap metal
findings. (Very little gemstone)
Though I don't think it's a great store I always find myself
buying $20 worth of stuff when I go there. It's a great place to pick
up a bead or two for a pair of earrings. Most beaders who are serious
buy wholesale and in bulk - buying this way is expensive but it's a way
of trying something out without buying a whole strand or more. They
do sell some books too, including Janet Coles "A Book of Beads" which
is a great picture book and at the back a short demo of how to put together
earrings and necklaces. Beads range from antique, gemstone, plastic to
glass. All in lifesize color photos. Book is about $23. Most large
bookstores carry it too so buy it discount!

The book "History of Beads" which Linda mentioned is published by
Abrams and cost $65. covers 30,000 B.C to 1987. I don't own this
one so I can't comment. Wish someone had bought it for me for Christmas!

One way to find bead stores that people don't often think of is to
check Yellow Pages of major cities in your area. Some will only sell
wholesale which means you have to have tax number. Which in Mass means
registering with the state for $10 and they give you a little card
so you don't have to pay sales tax on items you buy to resell.

Happy New Year Everybody! 

Paula
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From: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Propane Burners?
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

|>In article <Bzq3vo.HtF@boi.hp.com>, rstevahn@boi.hp.com (Robert Stevahn) writes:
|>
|>|> So, I am left with a few options. 1) Buy a new range (Not!); 2) Use a
|>|> smaller vessel (Not!); 3) Buy a portable electic burner; or 4) Buy a 
|>|> propane burner.
|>|> 
Cabella's (a mail order sporting goods place) sells a 140,000 BTU freestanding
propane cooker made by Coleman.  I seem to remember they get around $60 for it.

--
Jim Feldman                         || This space for lease, contact your
Digital Equipment Corp              || Digital Sales Rep.
CSC/Colorado Springs                || 

My opinions are my own and in no way reflect Digital's POV (unless they're
charging somebody for me to give them).
From: david_ingham@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (David Ingham)
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam's Mythical Babylonian Beer
Followup-To: rec.crafts.brewing
Organization: UIUC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:01:36 GMT

Yes this is true and yes they did make the recipe.  From what i have read,
they had to rent out a bakery to bake the 1000 loaves of bread needed. 
They then crumpled the bread into water and allowed it to ferment.  When
completed, the stuff was drunk through straws out of casks just as in
ancient times.  

Not very much was made and consumption was limited to people within the
company.  I do not think that any was sold to the public.
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Fermenting Cheaply
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:49:20 GMT

In article <BzwsIs.3nx@oryx.com> xslkkk@oryx.com (kenneth k konvicka) writes:
>Tell me what would be wrong with the following -
>     I dissolve 50 lb sugar in 40 gal defunct but clean hot water heater.
>     Add 6 cans frozen grape juice and a few packets Fleischmanns yeast.
>     Allow to ferment at proper temp, excluding oxygen.  
>     Then bottle in 2 liter pop bottles.

What would be wrong:
	1) you won't get the water heater clean enough.
	2) not nearly enough grape juice to get flavor
	3) if you're talking about bread yeast, it'll die before getting
	   all that sugar converted, possibly leaving the "wine" with
	   a low enough alcohol content to allow infection.
	4) wine doesn't store well in plastic bottles.
	5) No easy way to rack to secondary without pulling out a lot of trub.
	6) What're you going to use as your secondary fermenter?

>Do you think the product would stand a chance of being palatable?  What  
>precautions should I take?  Am trying to get by cheaply.  Any suggestions for an
>inexpensive primary fermentation vessel of 40-50 gal capacity?  The hot water   heater idea came from an imaginative contributor to this newsgroup.  Am just
>getting started.  Thanks.


For the price you'll pay for the 50# sugar alone, you can get the basic
supplies you need to get started.  During the months you wait before
the must is ready for bottling and ageing, drink a lot of cheap wine,
clean and save the bottles, and use them.

Before you invest in a 40 gallon batch that you may have to dump, invest
in a book on winemaking, and a 1 or 5 gallon batch.  Even a 1 gallon
batch will yield several bottles...
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