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From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM ("", Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Movies
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:13:48 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:40:10 GMT
> From: "(INFIDEL)" <wojdylo@MATHS.UWA.OZ.AU>
>
> Films of XSU.
>
> I liked Kuznetsov (sp?) 's  film of "King Lear" as well as "Hamlet"

          Kozintsev

> The black and white photography in these two films, especially the
> former, is outstanding; in "King Lear", virtually every second or third
> scene change gives a photograph which could be printed and framed as an
> example of a good B+W photo.  That's also the film's drawback --- the
> photography's so good, it's distracting.
>
>
> Getting away from Mosfilm,  I'd argue that Georgia's Paradjanov is the best
> anti-naturalism film-maker working these last few years, beats Greenaway
> hands down.  Two of his best films are "Legend of Surami Fortress" and
> "Ashik Kerib" (sp?), the latter being dedicated to the memory of A.
> Tarkovsky.  Magnificent, luscious, "Baroque", abstract color composition.

His best works, IMO, are his two first films: "Teni zabytyx predkov"
["Ghosts of forgotten ancestors"] (together with I.Il'enko), made in Kiev
in 1960-ies, and "Tsvet granata" ["Color of granate"], made in Erevan
in early 1970-ies, especially the former one. Both vere made before his
imprisonment (in charge with homosexualism - which was punishable in USSR -
but actually in connection with some political squabbles in where he lived
then (was he arrested in Armenia? or was it Georgia already?), the exact
nature of those is unknown to me).

Exellent films were made in Georgia by Iosseliani: "Zhil pevchij drozd"
["Robin the singer lived" ? - how to translate?] (his best film, IMO),
"Listopad" ["Leaffall"], "Pastorale". Also "Mol'ba" ["Pray for mercy"(?)]
by Abuladze is very powerful; other films of him: "Tree of desire" and
"Repentance" are not really good, IMO.

Dmitry
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sokurov is still NOT an asshole!
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:02:17 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <Bw2FFu.8rJ@max.physics.sunysb.edu> gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) writes:

>   BTW I was at the premiere of this  movie in Moscow and have to say that 
>Khanin (?) that wrote music for this movie is definitely an asshole! Needless
>to say, book is MU-U-UCH better!

Nu ty i koziol Eugene Tyurin!
In fact, Khanin's music is the only redeeming feature
of Sokurov's films. Well, these films *are* radical,
that's another plus, but what they do is mostly
deflation of the idea of avantgarde itself. 
Sokurov's technique is brilliant, but he 
has nothing to say and it shows. Khanin, on
the other hand, behaves a a court jester, but
his musical achievements (and a sense of
humour) are excellent. He usually complains
on Sokurov butchering his soundtracks,
though :)

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: lego@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Martin Lee Group)
Subject: Re: Circus in the ex-USSR
Summary: Tsirk uekhal, klouny ostalis'
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:39:40 GMT

This reminds me immortal:

Tsirk uekhal, klouny ostalis'

Circus has left,
clowns are remaining

Val
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: "Zagadka russkoy dushi"
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:22:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14173.2ad5a3ba


Winter, glukhaya Sibir. Derevushka - 5-6 izbushek, po ushi zanesennykh snegom.
gavkayut dogs, iz xat podnimaetsya dymok. V krainei xate chut-chut priotkryta 
dver, i ottuda slushna balalaika - "Tryam-tiryam, tiryam-tiryam, tam, Tryam-
tyrayam, tyryam-tiryam, tam...". Tak gde-to polchasa without changes.
Potom dver so scripom open i ottuda man vihodit - strashnyi, nebrityi,
s opukhshim licom, s jutkogo poxmela i krichit nadsadno -" Mat-peremat,
jit-to kak??!!" I rezko obratno i dver zaxlopnul. I opyat -"Tryam-tiryam,
tiryam-tiryam,Tryam- tiryam, tiryam-tiryam...."

Vadim. (Russian)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8467 talk.politics.soviet:8360
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: SOME ASPECTS OF THE LAW FOR CITIZENSHIP OF ESTONIA
Date: 8 Oct 1992 07:09:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:

>dima@maths.uwa.oz.au (Dima Pasechnik) writes:

>>Sure, military retriees are especially dangerous. 
[...]


>It's probably hard for the military retirees or war heros to cope with
>the fact that their presence in the Baltics was not necessarily wanted.

It's obviously hard for the nationalists  to cope with the fact that Estonia's
citizenship law denying UNCONDITIONAL citizenship to anyone born on the
territory is intrinsically unjust; and in the climate of present-day
Central and Eastern Europe, patently insane.

jw
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Religion and the Ex-SU
Date: 17 Oct 92 06:55:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:92290.103002U60829@uicvm.uic.edu:2060012018:glas:84600025:000:1051
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 17 00:55:00 1992


I don't know about this story, but i can't understand why the "Virgin 
Mary" would be interested in Russia. The resident Goddess figure
here is Sophia, or Wisdom. She is famous for being wise, or in some
sense being the mind of the universe.

Not for managing to even have a baby without having sex. (I am
still on this "Western anti-sex culture" thread here.)

Anyways, I have been in lots of churches here by now, and this
Madonna-looking woman holding a child is, as everyone tells me,
famous for what's above her neck rather than below it.

Somehow orthodox religion is closer to the Gnostic versions of
the Gospels, which contained some controversy over the precise 
gender and origins of God and Christ. In some versions Wisdom
is the Mother of God and she crticizes him for being such
a petty, jealous God. She gives Knowledge to Eve and Adam
because they should have it to truly enjoy the Universe.

Read "The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels, the Biblical
history is fascinating and she doesn't take sides with any version
of the Bible.

m.
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Khazar's in ex-Soviet Union
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 22:53:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

	Michael Walker writes:
>    at some point in its history the Polish-Lithuanian kingdom used
>    Byelorussian in their official court language, the Khazar's ruling
                                                        ^^^^^
>    elite converted to judaism (flames > s.c.j) and, presumably, used
>    Hebrew during the official religious ceremonies...
>
>Disclaimer: all opinions are mine.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
	Oh good, I want to see the flames about the Khazar's. Been interested
in that subject for a while.

==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky)
Subject: >>CIS on Internet?
Summary: Wupoka CTPAHA Moua PogHaua!
Keywords: sovok v internete
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 01:20:31 GMT


I found a few more *.su machines with the assigned Internet addresses:                                                                                
marlin.jcu.edu.au> host tasha.hq.demos.su                                      
tasha.hq.demos.su has address 192.91.186.134                                   
tasha.hq.demos.su mail is handled by tasha.hq.demos.su                         
tasha.hq.demos.su mail is handled by moscvax.hq.demos.su                       
tasha.hq.demos.su mail is handled by kremvax.hq.demos.su                       
tasha.hq.demos.su mail is handled by relay1.uu.net                             
tasha.hq.demos.su mail is handled by relay2.uu.net                             
marlin.jcu.edu.au>                                                             
marlin.jcu.edu.au> host koch.hq.demos.su                                       
koch.hq.demos.su has address 192.91.186.138                                    
koch.hq.demos.su mail is handled by moscvax.hq.demos.su                        
koch.hq.demos.su mail is handled by kremvax.hq.demos.su                        
koch.hq.demos.su mail is handled by relay1.uu.net                              
koch.hq.demos.su mail is handled by relay2.uu.net                              
marlin.jcu.edu.au>           

Vlad>
                                                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence"
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:31:19 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Oct7.215602.16158@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.032051.18465@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>
>>I read the book both in Russian and in English and found the Russian
>>translation to be much richer in imagery and more... coherent.  Perhaps this
>>is because the Russian  translation was directly from Polish, while the
>>English translation was from French.  Something must have gotten lost in the
>>translation, as the saying goes.
>
>>In fact, I found the translation quality of Lem's work very spotty.  Of the
>>books I had read or re-read recently "Futurological Congress" and "Eden"
>>were pretty good translations, but "Fiasco" felt clumsy until I managed to
>>work up an "immunity" to the clumsy language by the 2nd half of the book.
>
>
>Latin authors Borges and Marquez are translated as badly 
as Latin authors Vergilius and Petronius :-) - no.
>(comparing with Russian translation) as any
>contemporary Russian writer (e. g., Boris Vakhtin).

wrong - much better. "Polkovniku nikto ne pishet" (Nobody writes to colonel),
"Palaya listva" (Fallen leaves) and his first novel (something like 
Rassvetnyi chas - name escapes me) were one of the best spanish
translations I met in Russian. Translations of Cortasar short stories
were good. Some of Onetti translations were very good, as well 
as of Rohas (sp?) or Juan Goitisolo.

>I suspect this is a general treatment. I also tried
>to read Lem books in English and failed, as the 
>translation was very bad indeed. 

You mean your translation from English to Russian? Indeed. :-)

>Misha. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8591 rec.arts.movies:30006 rec.arts.books:18186
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Movies
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:39:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct11.173853.3466@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
~>
~>.........................................  Upon being informed that
~>Hoffmann was merely preparing himself for the movie torture session,
~>Olivier raised his brows, and muttered quizzically: "Can't he just act?"
~
~Actually, I heard that story, slightly differently -- Dustin was playing a
~scene where he was exhausted, and so he ran around the block or wherever it
~was he was filming a million times, and Olivier asked him why, and he told him,
~and Olivier said, "Can't you just act tired?"  But it's the same principle.

It must be assumed that Sir Larry had not seen Hoffmann's earlier films,
or he would have known that this was not one of the options. (Compare
DH's utterly unconvincing and one-dimensional portrayal of an autistic
person in Rainman with that by the small child in Little man Tate)

Oops, wrong newsgroup.

-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
                        Naetmagen
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: New language--immigrantish...
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:23:48 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <Bw16oJ.Juy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>
>I also remember friend of mine telling me about her father showing of his
>english. Father was reading of a box of serial and translating:
					 ^^^^^^
>
>FAther: Oh, Kokoi khoroshii sirial. Dazhe prezervativov netu.
>
>
>(This is a real life story, this is not a joke.)
>
>------Garik.

It looks like immigrants who were in America for a long time (10 years?)
still have problems more characteristic of new-comers (FYI, not new-commers).

I mean, reading serials (you know, X-men, GI Joe, that kind of stuff)
in boxfulls is certainly good idea when someone can not 
distinguish them from cereal. 

Watching TV serials is even better -- if one watches them 
he certainly will get true American education which he can be proud of.

So, keep up posts, Garry. They're genuinely funny.
I adore your multi-layered jokes. Sirial, deystvitel'no, horosh!

-- 

Vadim Maslov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Money to Ukrainian village?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:19:47 GMT

Does anybody know a way to get money to someone in a Ukrainian
village other than putting the money in your pocket and delivering
it in person?
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:36:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct13.223625.16367
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1bftcdINNn11@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.204513.16364@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>>Ever heard about magneton? A lot of people are busy
>>with the search for a "north" magnet, whose existence
>>is (more or less) theoretically proven.

>Why don't you join the crowd? You have theory, sit somewhere and wait for 
>magnton. I heard that ocean depth is a good place. 

I know a better place to look: your head!
Guess why? It's EMPTY!
BTW, it's called mgnton nowadays.

Cthulhu Saves!
Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky)
Subject: >>>CIS on Internet?
Summary: shutka, ne derzhi na menya khui zapazukhoi.
Keywords: otvet grazhdaninu Belchinskomu
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 06:16:30 GMT


                                                                               
In <1992Oct08.141641.33000@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor
 Belchinskiy) writes:                                                          
                                                                               
>In article <1992Oct8.012031.2456@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vs
evolod A Sukhanovsky) writes:                                                  
>>                                                                             
>>I found a few more *.su machines with the assigned Internet addresses:       
                                                                               
>Who lost them?                                                                
                                                                               
>>Vlad>                                                                        
>       -igor        

Apparently they were lost either by Demos or by Relcom. I don't see any
points to ask such questions!                                                           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: Re: Movies
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:36:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct11.233939.16301@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu writes:

> In article <1992Oct12.014141.10480@dxcern.cern.ch> 
> GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg) writes:
> 
> GL:
> >Wouldn't you be so kind to enlighten us what makes you think that yellow is
> >the right color??? Or you just mixed him with Mandelstam?
> 
> Yellow is a color of cowardice, among other things.  At least Mandelshtam
> had his moment of glory with "My zhivem, pod soboiu ne chuia strany..."
> Bulgakov is a great writer, but also a great coward.

OK, now I got  what you  meant. Well, I'm  not sure about  the cowardice of
Bulgakov   and I  don't   intend to   return to  that    Patricia-initiated
discussion. I meant Mandelstam not because of cowardice, but because it's a
well known fact that ``Mandelstam's colors'' are yellow and black...

> 
> GL:
> >As to Venichka, the bottle of vodka  would be much better than red, yellow,
> >white or whatever flowers! (I'm not  kidding - the more I'm as serious as I
> >never been! :) )
> 
> A month ago, I visited the final Montparnasse residences of Serge
> Gainsbourg and Charles Baudelaire.  While the former enjoys copious gifts
> of personal items, fresh flowers, dedicated pictures, baby toys, stinky
> French cigarettes, and assorted bibelots, as well as much stencilled
> grafitti, mostly on the walls of his lifetime quarters, his illustrious
> predecessor gets only a few personal notes, plus an occasional Havana
> cigar.  And, of course, red roses.  Dead red roses.
> 
> As for your bottle of vodka, it would do more honor to our hero by passing
> into your bloodstream.
> 

Well, I quite agree with you, it would be better. The more, in this case I
think that ``our hero'' has been honored quite a lot :)

> cordially,
> mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
> "Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."

Cordially,

Greg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ellen@netcom.com (Ellen (IKOS))
Subject: Re: Movies
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: soc.culture.soviet, talk.soviet.politics
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:23:13 GMT

I would like to add few american titles:  Starting from the Woody Allen's 
Movies - "Bannanas", "Sleeper","Mannhantan","Alice","Midsummer night sex 
commedy","RAdio Days s" etc , some right from the top of my head.. 
Some of myu favorites , possibly not to everyone's  liking : "New  Years' Day"
by Henry Jaglom,(different but good, then obviously "A Fish called Wanda", "
"Dirty Rotten Scoundrels", "La Story".... I don't know , maybe I have lived 
in this country for too long and it has simplified my tastes but I still 
get tremendous pleasure from watching all the old Soviet classics and 
new ones like "TAxi Blues" , "Nebesa Obetovannyue", "Teatr", "Suckinue Detie"
If anyone has heard or seen of good new movies Please let me know..!


Th8snk,

SErgei Lubich
ellen@netcom.com

PS> Edik Weiner , ya ne imeu svoego chastnogo adresa...
 I don't work for Informimx anymore
pozjalusta posulai mne pochtu po obratnomy addressu..
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Lem, was Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence"
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:48:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.194826.13391
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct08.141357.8431@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>Look at his later books - he works with bigger objects (civilization future),
>he is much more pessimistic, he is straight as possible - he can't work
>with people (with there psychology and subtleties burden), he needs almost

My impression of "Solaris", the book, was that it was in part a precursor 
of "Mask", another study of a created non-person becoming a person.  The
other aspect of Solaris, the encounter between human intelligence and the
world and concepts it has no immediate ability to comprehend, were refined
and studied in detail in "Eden" and "Fiasco".  

Later on Lem concentrated his work on the "reviews" and literary critique
of nonexistent works of fiction, using the meta-discussion of an invented
science fiction book as a way to explore the deeper concepts without having
to deal with character development and plot devices.
>formal objects so he use Clapaucius or Yon Tihiy (Ion Quiet ?). Not to mention
>how far (in different dimensions) are Pirks from his yearly manned works 
>and any hero from Tarkovsky movies.
>
>Seems, Lem understood that optimistic and "always OK" scientific Pirks
>is not a good model for gloomy and bloody reality (which looks this way on 
>global civilization level), and, being materialist 
>(that means stopping by definition before any God or 
>supernatural or soul ideas), necessary came to nihilism and pessimistic
>view on technology (which is equal to civilization future for him) -
>just read Futurist Congress.
>
>Probably, Solaris was his probe in both "man emotional" and "man-God"
>relations (whre Solaris itself may be considered as model 
>of God playing with man) - and he stopped on threshold and then 
>cancelled this direction in his writing. But for Tarkovsky Solaris 
>was positioon before start -
>from which he moves in direction cancelled by Lem to own start 
>and them farther. Of course, Lem would be mad.
>It's like Lem wouldn't agree that sacrifice may solve any problem.
>
>More interesting question is relation between Roadside Picnic 
>and Stalker (where Strugatskie wrote and rewrote screen play with Tarkovsky
>during film shooting). Any takers?
>
>Disclaimer: all above imho only :-)
>
>	-igor


-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:00 MDT
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked b
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.:-781745489:glas:84600014:000:997
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 14 20:00:00 1992


Serega, thanks for the sweet words. I cannot report on news events that
I don't witness, anyways. That's not really honest, and you can read
it in the papers with all possible versions.

What a rich city this is, in many ways, besides. Why just conecntrate
on politics? Now white-jacketsed people are selling hot fresh
bread from their private-enterprise carts. Hot bread seems to
be a big concern for Moscovites today, maybe as big as politics.

In the bulochnaya this moring a huge argument erupted bwteen a women
customer and the prodavets. The bread was not fresh enough to suit
this woman. Actually, it was not bad.

In the eyes of the West, Moscow always appears on the edge of
starvation. But the biggest hunger I saw today was for hot bread,
fresh from the oven. People on the street seem to think it is
a right! A bulochnaya near Smolenskaya actually sells goryachij
xleb from the back door. The queue is very big.

love from Moscow, the part that can still be enjoyed,
patricia margaret