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From: airdg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Grey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Glenfiddich Indoor International Invitational Tournament
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:44:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1993Jan11.155826.13169@Schultz.ON.CA> peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser) writes:
>Could you post some results from the tournament?
>I understand that a team from Canada/Ontario is participating
>in the tournament.
>
>-- 
>Peter Roeser                 | peter@Schultz.ON.CA

	This always happens, doesn't it ? The article just after
	the results have been posted. Previous articles said that
	I (or Daniel) WOULD post the results, which we did.

	No matter, Peter (or anyone else who wants them) email me
	at the address below and I will oblige.

	Maybe peeps should read the group and only post when ALL
	articles are read !

Richard.
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From: peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser)
Subject: Re: Glenfiddich Indoor International Invitational Tournament
Organization: S-S Technologies Inc.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:58:26 GMT

Could you post some results from the tournament?
I understand that a team from Canada/Ontario is participating
in the tournament.

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From: airdg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Grey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Rule changes
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:50:05 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1993Jan10.004636.7155@ichips.intel.com> dpappas@ichips.intel.com writes:

+ of the game. However, other rules such as the new interpretation of
+ the obstruction rule are fundemental changes to the game. And I wonder
+ if the new interpretation will turn out to be dangerous. Now the
+ defender has to go through the offensive player to get to the ball. 

	Nope. You are missing the point. The idea of being
	able to turn is to stop the defender from coming
	thru the attacker to get the ball.

	If the defender does this type of tackle, the umpire
	is supposed to blow for a free hit to the attacking
	side and the defender cautioned if persistently doing
	this type of tackle.

	For this reason, many defensive changes have come into
	play, most notably that which has been used in indoor
	matches for countless years : forward marking.

Richard.
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From: jchavez@td2cad.intel.com (Joas Chavez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: SHARKS ticket for sale
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:53:46 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

Hello Shark Fans,
	The face value for this tickets is $22.00 each.  I am not
making any profit for this tickets.

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	$22.00 each.
	
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	Sec. 36		Row J		Seat 3 and 4.

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	each. 

	GAME 40	   APRIL 6, 1993	7:30PM  at COW PALACE.
	
	Sec. 36		Row J		Seat 3 and 4. 

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	ask for jojo or Alfred

        408-765-2412 or 408-765-2451

thank you in advance... jojo
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From: muradia@bcarh179.bnr.ca (Rajiv Muradia)
Subject: Rule changes
Reply-To: muradia@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:31:52 GMT

I have played competitive hockey for several years but with all these rules being
changed so often now I have lost almost all interest in playing this game. How
easy will it be for us (who have grown a little older) to adapt to the rule of
Obstruction (where you can do a 360 spin)? I think someone should take a serious
look at all these rule changes. I agree that some things need to be changed to
make this game for interesting for the spectators, but where do you stop.

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From: mmr@asgserver.canberra.edu.au (Micheal Rainford-Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Old short corner trick
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:44:43 GMT
Organization: University of Canberra

I suppose since the short corner rules have changed I can tell you about
my short corner trick ;-o It's not realy that much of a trick but it
was very successful and I dont know why I haven't seen it used more often.
When you could smash the ball straight at goal, the goalie was always
willing to laydown when he saw you going into your windup. I was never
the short corner hitter except when we were desperate so I cannot say I
scored hundreds of goals with this. Anyway when I would come across a
goalie that would laydown I would line the ball up with by back foot
(after the hand stop) and hit down on the top-back of the ball. This 
acheived an excellent looping shot at goal which would clear the laying
goal (by a foot) but then curve down enough to hit the back board. It
was always great to see the look on the defenders faces when it just tips
the back-board, since it seemed that the shot was going to be too high. 
Of course the good umpires would have disallow this goal since it would
have cross the goal-line high than when it hit the boards.
This works better on grass and the soft based astro surfaces.

Anyone else want to share some of their old tricks (dirty or otherwise)?


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From: gramsden@axion.bt.co.uk (Graham Ramsden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: What's the new interpretation for Obstruction
Keywords: Obstruction
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:12:43 GMT
Reply-To: gramsden@axion.bt.co.uk (Graham Ramsden)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1993Jan10.143034.10849@ee.rochester.edu>, kumar@ee.rochester.edu (K.N. Kumar) writes:
|> I haven't been following the thread on  the new interpretation of obstruction
|> rules. Can someone explain?
|> cheers
|> kumar
|> -- 
|> Kumar Neelakantan			e-mail: kumar@ee.rochester.edu
|> Dept. of Electrical Engineering		voice-mail:(716)275-1252
|> Univ. of Rochester, Rochester NY 14623


I haven't read the latest rule book and the guidance it gives to Umpires but my understanding is that there still is an Obstruction rule and I believe that in many games, at least at lower levels, many Umpires have got it wrong and are allowing players to get away with blatant turning and shielding. Some Umpires only seem to recognise third party obstruction as a  foul. 

I think the interpretation intended to eliminate stoppages caused by a defender claiming obstruction by being just behind a forward when he received the ball. (In indoor hockey it was made clear years ago that a defender was not going to get obstruction in that situation especially if he touched the attacker before the ball arrived and / or if the attacker was moving towards the ball / away from the defender.)

I think the current interpretation is meant to keep the game moving and so a player receiving the ball has to receive it without letting the defender get into a position to play the ball by moving away. IF THE RECEIVER LETS THE DEFENDER GET INTO A POSITION TO PLAY THE BALL, THE RECEIVER CANNOT THEN PREVENT THE DEFENDER BY TURNING OR SHIELDING THE BALL. In that situation  the  receiver should get the ball out of reach of the defender before he is allowed to turn and he cannot get it out of reach simply by p


ulling the ball around him as he turns or by stepping forward / diagonally to keep the defender from reaching the ball without going through the player. The receiver must play the ball away from the defender and get it so that the defender is not able to play it before the receiver turns. 

What seems to be happening in some cases (perhaps only at the lower levels of hockey) is that players are getting themselves out of a tight situation by turning 360 degrees with 3 or 4 defenders all feeling they have been "obstructed" -- the player with the ball has moved "across" their line to the ball, not away from them.

Can anyone provide the exact wording, especially the guidance to Umpires from the cuurent rule book??? AND any additional guidance which has been issued separately in England or the UK?  
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From: dcu@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Daniel Cunliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Rule changes
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:50:27 GMT
Reply-To: dcu@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Daniel Cunliffe)
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

Well done Derek :-)

In article <1993Jan10.004636.7155@ichips.intel.com> dpappas@ichips.intel.com writes:

>I can see where he is coming from. There is little incentive for older
>umpires and players to keep up with the rule changes. They have done
>something one way for a long time and to ask them to change the way
>they are used to is unfair

I can see that older players wouldn't keep up with the rules (many don't
know them anyway) but I'd like to think the umpires would :-)

>It took 70 years to figure out the correct interprutation?

Probably not (but maybe :-)  I don't know the last time the obstruction
RULE was changed. What about the change from a bully to start the game
and the loss of roll-ins from the side - why were those changed?

>People don't hit the ball that much harder in the '90's than they did
>in the late '70's or early '80's. Certain rules such as no more under
>cutting the ball 70 yards are for safety and do not change the nature

I'm not sure - Herr Fisher can move the ball at over 140 miles per
hour, maybe he could ten years ago but it has taken them this long to
change the rules?

>of the game. However, other rules such as the new interpretation of
>the obstruction rule are fundemental changes to the game. And I wonder
>if the new interpretation will turn out to be dangerous. Now the
>defender has to go through the offensive player to get to the ball. 

Not at all. If the defender does this s/he should be penalised. All the
interpretation says is that the defender must be making an attempt to play the
ball - it is no longer enough to run around with both hands in the air 
shouting OBSTRUCTION! This does not give the defender licence to play 
dangerously.

>People are asked what they think. However, national and international
>associations tend to do what they think is best for international
>sport rather than club or representitive players.

Is this true? Certainly they have to consider all levels of the sport, but
that includes all hockey, right down to kiddies playing at school. The
FIH is certainly considering the international game but the national
level is surely effected by the district (or whatever) level which is
directly influenced by the clubs that make up that district. Also remember
that people at the national level, whether player or officials, are often
club players/officials too, so it is not necessarily true that they are not
aware of and do not respond to the needs of club teams.

D.
From: vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: curved goalie sticks
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:41:39 GMT
Organization: chevron

In article <1if65lINNnah@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, jake@rambler.corp.sun.com (jake cockroft) writes:
|> 
|> When did goalies start to curve their sticks?
|> 
|> 
|> -jake.

I remember seeing curved goalie sticks back when I was a kid
and used to watch the old Calgary Wranglers of the Western
Hockey League.

So the sticks were curved at least 20 years ago.

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WINNIPEG (was - Re: NHL RESULTS FOR 1-06-93)
Keywords: tuesday night's boxscores
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:01:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1993Jan6.205336.8874@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>More good news: Kings at Jets, ESPN, this Friday (Jan. 8) at 8:30 ET.
>
>YEAH!

I don't have NESN this season and the Bruins are off TV-38 for a couple
weeks since they play the next 6 games at home.

I'd rather watch one good game a week on ESPN than be stuck with the
Whalers(via SportsChannel NE)!

Gary,do you think ESPN spies read this group? ;-)

-PPV Mark
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 1/5
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:36:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.052147.1193@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>* New draft order next year: 1 - Ottawa, 2 - San Jose', 3- worst
>record in league, 4 - Anaheim, 5 - Miami.

Hmmm.  This is odd.  Ottawa or San Jose is pretty much guaranteed to get the
worst record in the league.  So, they get another 1st round pick for it? :-)
Or is it the worst record in the league other than Ottawa and San Jose?

Hmmm...  The Sharks can really use an extra 1st round pick...

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs!  Dave Manson for Norris!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: gavin@tiger1.prime.com (Dave Gavin)
Subject: Re: Pens-6 Bruins-2
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:01:09 GMT

This was a really frustrating game to watch. The Bruins cannot put 
the puck in the net to save their lives these days. They consistently
outshoot their opponents but tend to make goaltenders look like 
worldbeaters by shooting at the goalies chest (more of a reflection
on goailes like pietrangelo than barraso). Also all the power play
offense seems to be geared toward setting up the poin men. Last 
night on one power play the Bruins passed the puck back out of
the offensive zone 4 times. Ray Bourque will lead the leauge 
this year in some dubious categories i predict.
 
most shots blocked (having his shots blocked)

most pucks coughed up in his own end or not cleared because he tries to
rifle the puck around behind the net from one side to the other
 
most dump ins of the puck on the power play
 
 
Last nigh it looked like the Pens could be had if any of the bruins
were so inclined to actually carry the puck through the defense.
(not to belittle pens D here) it seemed like they could walk through
2 or 3 guys no problem but then they would carry the puck into the 
corner or blindly flip it in front of the net.
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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: puck in wrong net?
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:58:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.112945@is.morgan.com>, scairns@is.morgan.com (Scott Cairns) writes:
|> In article <cfHMPbm00WBK81NWMi@andrew.cmu.edu>, Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> |> 
|> |> I've seen old film clips of football players picking up fumbles and
|> |> running the wrong way with the ball.  I know that in hockey players
|> |> occasionally put the puck in their own net but it's always been a
|> |> "quick" mistake around the goal mouth.  I was wondering if any player
|> |> has actually skated in on his own goaltender and scored.  Has anyone
|> |> ever seen this happen?
|> |> 
|> |> Mom.
|> 
|> Not sure if this counts since it wasn't pro hockey but
|> years ago I used to referee pee-wee hockey games (4 & 5
|> year olds) outside of Buffalo, NY.
|> 
|> In this one game, this kid got himself turned around
|> somehow at center ice and thinking he had a breakaway
|> skated in on his own goal and scored as his teammates
|> on the bench and on the ice were screaming at him to
|> stop. 
|> 
|> He was quite happy with himself until he realized 
|> what he had done and then he started crying hysterically.
|> 
|> I felt really bad for the little bugger but it was one
|> of the funniest things I've ever seen.
|> 

Just a nit:  I think pee-wees are 13 and under and you won't find many 4
or 5 year olds good enough to play on a pee wee team.  Five and under is 
atom, I believe.  

Anyway, last year my youngest son was on a mite team (9 and under) that was
made up of mites and mini-mites (7 and under) and our goalie couldn't make
one game.  The coach asked the team if anyone else wanted to try playing
goalie.  One of the players (age 6) volunteered.  He did an admirable job
except for one play:  the other team had a breakaway and their forward skated
around our defence, stopped in the slot and fired a good wrist shot on net.
Our goalie made a good save and covered the rebound with his glove.  Since
there was absolutely no pressure from the attacking team, the ref yelled
"PLAY IT!".  The goalie attempted to push the puck to the corner and ended
up clearing it into the net!  We won the game anyway but he was sure pissed
at the ref!

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Blues beat Blackhawks 4-1
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:54:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Scouting report on Ed Belfour; Shoot High! He was on his knees so much I
thought we were in church.

If the Hawks are going to goon it up and cheap shot, they need to get somebody
who is tough. Has Grimson ever won a fight?

Jim Schenk
SLU
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL INJURY REPORT FOR 1-12-93
Keywords: injury status
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:44:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1993Jan12.175836.15283@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) writes:
*
*SJS	David Bruce		groin strain			D-to-D
*SJS	Larry DePalma		back strain			D-to-D
*SJS	Pat Falloon		dislocated right shoulder	INDEF
*SJS	Link Gaetz		impaired motor skills		INDEF
*SJS	Arturs Irbe		sprained knee			D-to-D
*SJS	Pat McLeod		sprained left shoulder		INDEF
*SJS	Sandis Ozolinsh		trn ant. cru. lig. left knee	OUT FOR SEASON
*SJS	Doug Wilson		bruised foot			D-to-D
*

8.  See, I toldya we were worse off than most.

Gaetz has state that he planse to return on or about April 2nd, just in 
time for the playoffs ;-).  DePalma was just suspended for failing to 
report to the K.C. Blades after clearing waivers.  I think Doug Wilson
has a broken foot, but he's playing anyway.

Add Mark (or was it Tom?) Pederson (D) also injured, out 6 weeks or so.

                    Archer Sully      archer@sgi.com

        You are a good man, but you are in the wrong place and
        you are going to die a horrible death.
                        - A Chinese Ghost Story
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From: george glover <gglover@convex.COM>
Subject: IHL All Star Rosters
Reply-To: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, San Diego, Ca., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 19:57:00 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Here are the All Star rosters for the IHL all star game to be played in
Phoenix on 2/3/92.

WESTERN CONFERENCE

FORWARDS: Mark Beaufait KC, Sylvain Couturier PNX, Brian Dobbin MIL,
Mikhail Kravets KC, Patrick Leveau SL, Dave Mackey PEO, Hubbie McDonough SD,
Kevin Miehm PEO, Michel Mongeau MIL, Jason Ruff PEO, Daniel Shank SD,
Steve Tuttle MIL

DEFENSE: Jergus Baca MIL, Shawn Evans MIL, Bill Houlder SD, Lindy Ruff SD,
Grad Tiley PNX, Kevin Wortman SL

GOALIES: Rick Knickle SD, Andrei Trefilov SL

COACHES:  Rick Dudley SD, Curt Fraser MIL

EASTERN CONFERENCE

FORWARDS:  James Black KAL, Doug Barrault KAL, Jock Callander ATL,
Igor Chibirev FW, Daniel Gauthier CLEV, Tony Hrkac INDY, Jon Morris CIN,
Sergei Krivokrasov INDY, Dave Michayluk CLEV, Jeff Madill CIN, 
Keith Osborne ATL, Paul Willett FW

DEFENSE: Ivan Droppa INDY, Matt Hervey ATL, Bob Jay FW, Todd Nelson CLEV,
Jean-Marc Richard FW, Shawn Rivers ATL

GOALIES:  David Litman ATL, Eldon Reddick FW

COACHES:  Gene Ubriaco ATL, Al Sims FW
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: leafs (PLAYOFFS and EXPANSION DRAFT)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:14:19 GMT

shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith) writes:
>hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U) writes:
>>
>>Winnipeg received the goalie and protected him and then sent him
>>back to his original team.  Winnipeg received slightly more back
>>on the second trade as a reward for doing this.
>
>It happened with Winnipeg and Philadelphia about 4 or 5 seasons ago.

The Jets were first sent Shawn Cronin for future considerations from
the Flyers.  In the off-season, the Jets were next sent Pete Peeters
and Keith Acton for future considerations ... which turned out to be
Pete Peeters and Keith Acton PLUS future considerations, nullifying
their debt for Cronin.  Peeters and Acton were referred to as "the
former Jets" during local sports segments in Winnipeg for the first
part of that season much to the amusement of viewers ... the league
didn't find it so funny, and fined both clubs.

gld
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