From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:34:06 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan22.042530.15297@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael
Friedman) writes:
>>>>I do object to statistics, but what I've seen is reality. Are you afraid to
>>>>find the truth?
>
>>>Chad, you objected to my argument because it was statistical.  You
>>>then presented your own argument... which was statistical.  What it
>>>looks like to me is that you look at the result of the argument,
>>>decide if you like it, accept the argument if you like its result, and
>>>then look for a justification for your decision.

What facts do you want Mike? If you want facts, just ask and I'll give them to
you. Not matter what you say white and black American are not on equal standing
and racism does exists. The fact remains that white people like yourslef have
more of a controlling factor in their own lives. How many black people can say
the same? White people control politics, economics, education, and culture, and
that's the truth-which can never be refuted.

>Of course.  Just as the statistics you provided were shaped by you.
>The main difference was that my argument was a general one about how
>populations of anything behave.  You don't need to spend hours looking
>in a University Library.  You don't even need 10 minutes.  If you
>passed pre-cal you can derive the results I described - I even
>explained how in my post.  You, however, provided a conclusion based
>on personal observations of a small sample.  You provided no hard
>numbers, no calculations of significance, and nothing that could be
>permanently checked.  Which result do you think is more credible?

The truth is the truth. Which is more credible?

>Taking statistics from America.  I love that phrase.  What the heck
>does it mean?  Whatever you want it to mean.  Certainly, it doesn't
>mean taking overall US statistics, because if you do, then Bush is
>right.  (Simplest test is price - street price of most drugs has
>increased over the past four years.)  I guess some parts of this
>country are "America" and some are not, and the ones that are, at
>least in your mind, are the ones with the drug problem.

In my neighborhood, in my city, all I see is drug trafiking, so how can anyone
claim they are winning the war on drugs. Statistics for what area? Surburban
America, where?
>>I have a sense of proportion, how can you talk? You're the one that sugested
>>commiting suicide, not me. 
>
>This is a lie.  I never suggested committing suicide.  I challenge you
>to find any such suggestion in my posts.  The fact that you were lying
>would be totally obvious if you had not deleted my statement.

I have to look back and find it, but suicide is the last thing on my mind, I
wouldn't give you or anyone else the pleasure of that.

>>>Nope.  They're right there.  It happens.  It's just rather rare in
>>>comparison, especially if you eliminate crime against criminals or
>>>their families.  
>>I guess it's so rare that there are no statistics 
>
>Chad, the stats on white on white crime are readily available.  They
>are kept by the FBI.  They just aren't newsworthy because they are so
>damned low compared to other crime.

Sure, tell me anything, give me the statistics, Mr. FBI person. Just out of
curiousity, how do you know the FBI keeps these stats?

>>and there are no white people
>>in jail either, right? Mike, be realistic, come back to earth.
>Chad, you are implying I said this.  I did not.  Not quite a lie, but
>damned close.  ARe you really so insecure in your position that you
>need to set up straw men, lie about my earlier statements, and imply
>that I made statements that I did not?

I don't lie, you mean nothing to me, so there is no reason to lie to you or
anybody for that matter.

>>Let's again be realistic, what kind of job are you going to get in your
>>American dream with no education? Hmmm, let's pause and think?????????
>>Answer, McDonalds-modern day slavery. $4.60 an hour, before taxes, that's
>>barely enough to live off of, let alone go to ANY college.
>
>Hey, the Declaration of Independence says you get life, liberty, and
>the pursuit of happiness, not a job.

Not a job, we'll according to the Declaration of Independence I get life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What kind of life can I have with no
job, and no education? Mike, think, be logical. No Job, no food, no life. Makes
sense, doesn't it? 

>>No education, no
>>happiness, no job.
>
>You can't be happy if you are poor?

Ignored, for stupidity. As you say don't put words in my mouth.

>>Ever heard of a vicious circle? As to who has denied me
>>education, society. Society and people like you who believe everybody can get
>>their piece of th America Dream, if they just work hard enough to get it.
>
>Please tell me more.  You post from Drexel.  Are you there as a
>janitor, or are you getting an education?

Why do I have to be a janitor if I'm an African-American? This is the same
mentality that makes Black people hate white people. Assumming just makes you
look all the more stupid. I am a third year student pursuing an Electrical and
Computer Engineering degree, how about you, since you want to talk about
credentials.

>>So, if people are fighting for a cause and the loot, riot, and murder, they
are animals?
>
>Definitely.  People fighting for a cause, as opposed to fighting for a
>bottle of JD or some Nike sneakers, have no need to loot, except in
>limited cases for things like weapons.

Apparently, you don't understand the oppression faced by "Minorities." I guess
a revolution will have to happen before white people like yourself realize how
supressed and oppressed, we are. Then maybe you'll understand.

>Anyway, if they are fighting for a cause, then they can hardly
>complain when their enemies fight back using the same tactics they use
>- looting, rioting, and murdering.
>
>>But hay, how many times have you been frustated because people won't accept
>>something you can never change, your complexion?
>
>A couple of times.  For example, there was a really hot Korean girl I
>always wanted to date back in college.  I was white.  SOL.

Hardly a good comparision or type of situation I was talking about. You were
frustrated because you could not get a date.  Imagine being frustrated because
people believe that you are less than a man based only on skin color and deny
everything because of it.
>>Better yet, how about, I need food, I need money, I can not sustain my
family,
>>my life, or anything with what I have, all others means are exhausted, what
>>will I do?
>
>Believable if the rioters in LA had targetted grocery stores.
>Unfortunately for your argument, they seemed more interested in liquor
>stores, consumer appliances, and clothing. 

A riot knows no bounds. Why? Because everyone is involved, everyone. Every
owner, every store. People aren't selective in Revolutions.

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
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Drexel University Software Testing Lab
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