From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Re: have you heard of...
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:20:06 GMT

akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler) writes:

>In article <barry.702860602@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>>rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski) writes:
>>>In a learning mode, I learned techniques not usually taught in MA's. 
>>>For example, how do you remove someone from a car whose hands are
>>>locked on the wheel and they refuse to move.  Try it at home!  It's
>>>not as easy as you would think.
>>
>>	People who insist on driving on the right-hand side of
>>the road will have to translate all of the below from right to left
>>and left to right :^)  Serves you right (or is that left?) for being
>>so silly :^)
>>
>>	First guess:  Shove fingers up the driver's nostrils while
>>keeping the elbow (of the same arm --- right arm for right-hand-drive
>>cars) low to block backfists/whatever from the driver's hands.  Guide
>>the driver out by the snoz.
>>
>>	Second guess:  Grab the driver's belt (or the top of his/her
>>pants if it's strong enough) with the right hand (for a right-hand drive
>>car) while keeping your left high near the door frame.  Use your left 
>>arm to block if you have to, and if the driver just holds the wheel
>>yank him/her out backside first.
>>
>>	Third guess:  Push up on the driver's right elbow with your
>>right hand (to break his/her right hand's grip on the wheel) while
>>pulling the head out of the car with your left (using the collar,
>>neck, earlobe, hair etc.).  Since the driver's left hand might still 
>>be gripping the wheel, you might have to step back slightly and
>>reach over his/her head with your right hand to force the head
>>down and further out of the car.  Try to make the driver fall out
>>sideways and slightly backwards to get as much leverage as possible.
>>
>>	Fourth guess:  Reach across the driver (beware of headbuts
>>and hands that leave the wheel :^) an grab the little finger of the
>>left (STILL a right-hand-driver car :^) hand.  Twist the hand over to
>>pull it off the wheel (pull the finger towards you) and grab the 
>>hand with your left while changing grips with your right in order to
>>force the driver's hand into a wrist lock.  The driver's hand (the
>>one you're holding) should have the fingers pointing down while you
>>pull (starting to force the fingers back) along the line of the arm.
>>If there is any trouble during the start of all this (while pulling the
>>left hand off the wheel) then your elbow should be in a good position to
>>hit the face or side of the head (or both... in quick "concussion" %+().
>>
>>	Fifth guess:  Kick to break the floating ribs and make the
>>driver more co-operative.  Hell, if you're a police officer why not just
>>shoot them? :^)
>>
>>	Sixth guess:  Assuming that you have removed the only keys to
>>the ignition, starve them out :^)
>>

>	What if the "perp" is wearing seatbelt? or seatbelt and shoulder
>	harness? In that case, only #5 and #6 are appropriate... :-)

	Not sure about the distinction between seatbelts and shoulder
harnesses.  (Perhaps you have a few more options in cars where you
live, or perhaps our lack of options is reflected in a "seatbelt"-means-
everything terminology... but where was I...:^)  Let's assume it's the
lap-sash type (belt runs from below the right hip -- right-hand-drive
car assumed -- across the lap to the buckle near the left hip, and then
back across the chest to above the right shoulder) then try the
following:

	Push the driver's head to the left (towards the passenger seat)
while placing your left hand on his/her right.  This is to prevent
(or re-direct :^) any elbows to the head.  Keep your head near the
driver's, with your face down a bit in case you need to headbutt, and
reach around the driver's waist with your right hand to release the
belt.  Once it is realeased, follow up with one of the above.

	To the original poster (Jurek Rakoczynski): 

		So what do you teach ?

	Anyone else?

		Barry.


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