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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl (Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:29:31 GMT
Organisation: losers inc.

In article <1993Jan24.203539.21367@cs.brown.edu>, Ted A. Camus writes:

TA>   There is one benefit of martial arts training that is often overlooked,
TA>   and that is the removal of fear.  By "fear" I don't mean merely the
TA>   fear of being harmed physically, although that's part of it.  

It certainly is.. What I've noticed is that well-trained martial artists
are most of the time more relaxed in a potentially dangerous situation.
They don't have the 'ow shit, he's gonna hit me' attitude (as in: 'ow shit, 
he's gonna hit me', BAM, 'glad I hit him first'). Trained MA's know that
they will have the abillity to await the first strike, and they can spend
a longer time to talk.

I once was in a train in a space between two wagons, with four other persons.
One of them was a little odd: nervous, and mumbling to himself. Then I saw
a uniformed guy coming up in the wagon before me, checking tickets. The 'odd'
guy also saw him, and immidiately pulled out a knife. He yelled 'I'm gonna
cut him, I'm gonna cut him'. Two of the other people in the room rushed out
the door, leaving me with the knifeman and another guy. I started talking to
the knifeman: "hey, put away the knife, you're scaring people". The other
fellow also talked to the knifeman, telling him to put away the knife, cause
he was scaring everybody. We kept on talking to him, and finally he relaxed, 
and told us he didn't have money for a ticket. I took the knife out of
his hand, and told him he'd better get of the train at the next station.
It turned out to be his destination-station, so he didn't object. After he
left, the uniformed guy came in, and told me and the other guy that he was
very scared of the knifeman, and had called the railway-police over his
radio. He was surprised that we had talked the man into giving us his knife.
After a bit of talking, I discovered (surpise, surpise) that the other guy
was a jujutsu-ka ! Small world, eh ?

Anyway, what I was trying to say is that trained MA's stay calm in this sort
situations. So you don't have to 'use' your art physically (eg punching) to
be able to say 'I have experienced some very positive results because of my
training'.
Duh, does this still make any sense to anyone :-) ?

               Dude
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From: cc@cowan.fishkill.ibm.com 
Subject: Re: Happenstance Weapons
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:11:26 GMT
Reply-To: cc@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: Pough, NY


|>In article <1993Jan18.185815.1701@netcom.com> dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:
|>>I was just thinking the other day that a properly-held car-key would add
|>>some real pain to certain Praying Mantis techniques.  We do 2-finger
|>>push-ups to strengthen the fingers for the point-strikes, but a key seems
|>>to give you a nice extra advantage.  Maybe I'll try some car-key push-ups...

In my school (which is also Mantis) we were told to look out for
certain things (particularly as Westerners traveling around Chinatown,
in NYC).   One was to look at hands.  

I have heard a number of stories of Mantis and Snake Stylists with
carefully manicured (sharpened is a better word) nails on the index
and/or middle fingers (razors taped along the edge of a finger is
another popular variation).  Needless to say, it doesn't take a lot of
imagination to think of several brutal applications.

Chris Cowan 

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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Happenstance Weapons
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:32:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.191140.2440@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.211120.6771@desire.wright.edu> jchristian@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> 
>>
>>A few years ago I experiemented with sharpening my pinkie nails.  
>
>	HA!  AMATEUR!  When I was 16 I cut the ends of my left index and middle
>	fingers off.  WHAT weapons they are now!!  Though I have yet to do
>	it, I believe my little stumps will blast eyeballs right out of their
>	sockets.  I have tried suki (shuto??) type strikes on partners.  Even

	Jeez... such memory loss... suki, shuto... I'm forgetting everything.
	I don't know if it's the Lyme disease or old age... AAACK... how sad


	-What's his name
From: Marc Dionne <dionne@pop.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:29:20 GMT

I have been told that, if you're in real trouble with a dog, the most 
effective tactic is to grab the dog's lower jaw and *TWIST*. 
Apparently, dogs' jaws are dislocated/broken quite easily, and the 
dog is pretty much incapacitated.

Marc
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From: cby@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (christopher.b.young)
Subject: Gracie Videos
Keywords: Gracie
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:01:06 GMT


Awhile back, there was a discussion of some Instructional Videos by 
and about the Gracies...where might one obtain these videos?

Thanks much.
Chris
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From: reimer@src.dec.com (Dean Reimer)
Subject: Re: Judo: the value of competition.
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:54:55 GMT

In article <C17zLG.Mz2@ms.uky.edu>, satadd00@nx07.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken) writes:
|> I wrote:

|> >So, the best working definition of Judo is not Kodokan Judo.
|> (snip)
|> 
|> I figured as much.

I believe Kodokan is the formal Judo, and Kodenkan is the more liberal Judo.
If that'll wash.  I have been out of Judo for approx. 20 years, but it was the most important
MA I started in when I was 12 years old.  Learning to fall will follow you through your whole
life.

Dean

No Sig. required.
From: jlockha@eis.calstate.edu (Jame A Lockhart)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Van Damme studies.....?
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:59:28 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
> In article <C15GMy.6qL@eis.calstate.edu> jlockha@eis.calstate.edu (Jame A Lockhart) writes:
> >bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
> >> In article <C13B6G.2A1@eis.calstate.edu> jlockha@eis.calstate.edu (Jame A Lockhart) writes:
> >> >
> >> >Shinanju...spelling may be off.  There are styles with pressure points,
> >> >but most of the books (as well as the movie) was pure fiction.  The guy
> >> >who played the 'master' was not even Asian.
> >> 
> >> Sinanju...  The books are very silly, and alot of fun.  The guy who played
> >> Chiun in the movie was Joel Grey, better known as the MC in Cabaret, or as
> >> Erin "Dirty Dancing" Grey's dad.  I think they picked him because Chiun's
> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Are you sure this is the same guy?
> >
> 
> She is Joel "Mr. Caberet" Grey's daughter, but her name is "Jennifer",
> not "Erin".
> 
> -Lauren
> 

Oh...I get it.  I thought you meant the guy who PLAYED her father in Dirty
Dancing was the fellow in Remo Williams.

So...when does the adventure continue?


> 
>
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Greenoch History
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:15:02 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <C1Dy8M.3Mr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>Seriously.. what *IS* Greenoch?
>

Seriously, Greenoch is the second-best martial art in the whole, damned
world...

Steve
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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Brandon Lee Movies
Keywords: Lee, Movie
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:01:29 GMT

In article <C16ow4.I3D@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>_Lazer Tag_ stank very badly.  He  had a bit part in _Show down in
>Little Tokyo_.  When I saw those two movies, I decided that his daddy
>didn't teach him that much before he died.  I guess Brandon has been
>improving a lot since his earlier movies, but its a shame that he didn't
>pick up Bruce's moves before _Game of Death_.

Hmm too bad, you should see "Rapid Fire" then. I think the one's you saw
only stank, not because of Brandon, but who ever directed the thing. As I
said before, Brandon, was pretty much wasted (as a resource) in Showdown.
Never seen Lazer tag, so I dont know for sure about that one. Anyways, the
Martial arts and fight choreography in Rapid, was great, reminds me a lot
of Jackie Chan movies.

RT
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From: shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Reply-To: shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:26:40 GMT

In article <C169q0.2w9@math.uwaterloo.ca>, gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy 
Middleton) writes:

> 
> Does anybody know how the mediaeval European quarterstaff was used? 
> I'd like to see if there is any similarity to jo-jitsu techniques.

There is some discussion in Fiori dei Liberi's Flos Duellatorum (1410), 
Johannes Leckuchner and Meyer (1570).  Silver (ca 1600) discusses staff use 
in his Bref Instructions.  While I haven't looked at this extensively, I 
think use is more 'bo'-like and somewhat more derivative from spearwork than 
strictly like jo-jutsu.  I can't remember whether there's any in Talhoffer.  
I'd recommend looking at Wise's book for some prints.
 
> 
> Also, why is it called a "quarterstaff"? 

Hell if I know, Silver calls in 'staff'.

Bibliography

Flos duellatorum in  armis, sine  armis, equester, pedester;  il fior  di
  battaglia di maestro Fiore dei Liberi da Premariacco.   Testo inedito 
del MCCCX  publicato  ed  illustrato a  cura  di  Francesco Novati;  
Bergamo:  Istituto Italiano d'Arti Grafiche, 1902, original 1410

Jackson, James L.:  Three Elizabethan Fencing Manuals.   Delmar, N.Y.: 
Scholars' Facsimiles and Reprints, 1972

 Leckuchner, Johannes  ; Fechtbuch MS;  Heidelberg 
Universitatsbibliothek,Cod. pal. germ. 430; 1478 (Hils #24)

MEYER (JOACHIM) [Freyfechter zu Strasburg].Grndliche
Beschreibung der Freyen, Ritterlichen und Adelichen Kunst des
Fechtens  Oblong 4. 1570.Strasburg  

Wise, Arthur; The Art and History of Personal Combat; Greenwich, 
Conn, Arma Press, 1971




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From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin)
Subject: Re: Evil Black Belts (was : Fighting against animals?)
Summary: Count Dante may be dead, but his school still lives...
Organization: Racal-Datacom
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:24:55 GMT

In article <C1JBML.FC8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>In article <ofNfmaH0Bwx2QgXBx_@transarc.com> Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>RE:  Count Dante
    There was a bit in one of the trade rags a few months back that 
mentioned the good Count.  It was basically a listing of instructors.  About 
8 listing to a page.  Mostly what folk sent in got printed verbatim.  I 
almost bought the mag for the humor value of some of the listings.  One of 
them was for a dojo located in Fall River, MA.  The instructor there claimed 
to be the chosen successor of Count Dante.

>>	As I understand it, he was essentially a street fighter posing
>>as a formal MA teacher. 
>I believe he had a 2nd dan (or 3rd) under Robert Trias and was
>an up and comer in the early 1960s.  Then he developed an attitude
>and so did his Black Dragon Fighting Society.  His students were
>aggressive, but not well-trained.
>>He liked to trash other people's schools, and
>>earned lots of enemies that way - didn't he eventually he came to an
>>unfortunate (but well deserved) ending?
>I remember one of his friends was killed by a spear after they
>attacked a Chinese kwoon in Chicago.  Dante was an alchoholic and may
>have died of that (ie. I don't remember!).
>
Mark Urbin  Racal-Datacom  Boxborough, MA   urbin@interlan.interlan.com   
These opinions are mine.  No one else will admit to them.	          
Most people agree that the government is largely sluggish and ineffective.
Then why do most people demand that it do everything for them?
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From: stbedi@peacock.uwaterloo.ca (Sunjay T. Bedi)
Subject: Filipino Martial Arts
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:20:25 GMT

Has anyone heard of the Lapunti style of stick fighting?

-- 
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From: robear@access.digex.com (Robear)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:14:08 -0500
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In article <1993Jan18.155924.8105@crash> jfrost@crash.cts.com (Julian Frost) writes:
>In article <4575@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>But, as a parting
>shot, there were quite a few students who received the transmission
>scrolls from Sokaku Takeda,  Choi not being one of them!

He never claimed to, at least not to my instructors.  He said that 
the fact that he was Korean precluded it, and in fact claimed that
his life would have been in danger if he had remained in Japan.

Our instructor states that Choi's Japanese name can be found on 
the attendance rolls - at least the name he *said* he used :-).

	David Pipes

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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:51:54 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <1jtekfINNj4r@pith.uoregon.edu>, toman@bovine.uoregon.edu
(Jay toman) writes:
|> I'm not sure how this is a "success" story. He didn't assault her, she
|> assaulted him. You can't beat on somebody just because they annoy you,
|> or scare you. The situation you describe just doesn't sound like it warrants
      ^^^^^
 
I believe that Bernard Goetz(sp?) proved otherwise.  He actually killed
someone because he felt threatened.

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
From: dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:56:51 EST
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Organization: IBM
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In <28626@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Terry Chan writes:
>dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas) writes:
>  +I'm not sure where this thread is going, but I think you guys are
>  +up in the clouds a little. Ki exists in all of us. We don't have to
>  +lift houses or make chickens implode with our ki to prove its existence.
>  +Us normal grunts can use it in everyday life. Any decent martial arts
>  +training should provide a glimpse (albeit fleeting at times).
>
>Nothing personal, I think people would argue that you are up
>in the clouds a little for believing in chi on the basis
>that you do.  Aside from subjective impressions, I don't see
>how you can say that "Ki exists in all of us."  Given that,
>and the unlikelihood of the net (or perhaps anyone) being able
>to come up with a scientific basis/proof for chi, I find it
>interesting to examine those that would claim to approach it
>that way.
>
>Terry Chan

Nothing personal taken. This is the net dude! Let's talk about it!
If it is scientific proof that will lead your mind, then say goodbye
to one of the central concepts of martial arts. When we study, we are
guided by faith in our sensei and the art. As beginners, we must have
faith, since most of it is way above our heads. Through commitment
and lots of hard training, some of us will gain true understanding
of some concepts. Ki is one of the more allusive ones. If you are
thinking "come on, give me examples I can SEE! Things I can MEASURE!!"
don't hold your breath. All I would say is "train harder, and have
faith."
Incidentally, I see ki as more an emotion than some untapped form of
electricity. So watch where you stick that plug!! :)
Sorry, I misplaced bar graphs of imploding chickens :)

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Dave Thomas        dcthomas@vnet.ibm.com             My views, not IBM's
"ikken hitatsu"    JKA Shotokan / Myoshinkan Aikido  "one mind, one cut"
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo: Which Throw
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:55:54 GMT
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In article <C1J0I8.746@ms.uky.edu> satadd00@nx13.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken) writes:
>Brenda writes:
>
>>"Uki comes in to take a normal right grip on your left lapel.  You take a step
>>forward on your left foot so that your left leg is alongside his right while
>>putting your left arm *over* his.  At the same time you throw your extended
>>right arm right under his left armpit and get very close.  To summarise - you
>>are very close, your left arm is over his arm and low, the top of your right
>>arm is under his armpit and high, and your left leg is alongside his right.
>>To complete the throw (this oviously happens all at once) cartwheel your arms,
>>left arm down and right arm up at the same time turning your body to the left
>>by moving your right foot forward. This effectively picks up Uki and spins him
>>backwards, you may fall on him too.  Your left leg acts as a kind of pivot.

Rather like Yoko Guruma?

What exactly are you doing with your left hand?  Holding onto his right
arm?

Dave


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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:15:51 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan20.211218.18828@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.142728.1279@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>>
>>This scenario leaves me quivering with anticipated anguish.
>>
>>-Lauren
>
>	And your quivering leaves ME quivering with... uh, err... never mind.
>
>	-Anokneemous

Shouldn't that be "A knock-kneemus"?

Steve
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From: mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: MA in Literature
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:15:56 GMT

Instead of MA in movies, how about books.  Here's one that had me
laughing for hours.  I'm still chuckling.  My father read this book
and asked me to explain it.

The book is "Singapore" by John Ball.  The hero is your basic Pasadena
cop with black belts in Karate and Aikido who is dragged into
international espionage in singapore.  (Good start, huh?)  Ultimately,
he is attacked by someone who says "You need not try your Karate.  The
last man I killed was a Karate master."

Well this so terrifies our hero that he switches to Aikido strategy.

The attacker comes with a knife.  Hero defends with kotegaeshi ("his
wrist locked in the deady grip of _Kote-Gaeshi_").  The description of
it is almost correct.  

He finishes off the technique with a wrist dislocation, but it is best
to use the authors own words:  "With that movement he completed
_Ushiro_Hiji-Tori_, one of the deadliest and effective techinques
[sic] of aikido."  BWAHA HA HA.

(For those who don't speak Aikido, "ushiro hiji tori" means "rear
elbow grab".  It is used to describe the initial attack from which a
defense would, proceed, and is not a technique in and of itself.  Even
as an attack it is pretty ineffective and feeble.)

But the attacker is not just an ordinary attacker.  A dislocated wrist
doesn't stop him from putting another knife in his other hand and
attacking again.  This time "Tibbs spun to the right and caught the
man's left wrist in _Katate-tori_Ryote-Mochi_Nikyo_.  It was a complex
move, but..."

Quite complex.  It is a wrist lock done from a two handed grab.  How
did he get the knife wielding attacker with one bad wrist to grab him
with two hands?  Unfortunately, the book never explains.

The rest of the book was kind of stupid yet entertaining and not
awful.  This stuff starts around p. 187 if you want to browse it yourself.
--


Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    
Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:17:02 GMT

In article <C1GwKF.1J1@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com writes:
>
>Sorry, I got my facts wrong. My point was that, while I'm not a
>lawyer, I think that feeling threatened is a legally acceptable
>reason to rough someone up. 

	yes.  it can also be an acceptable reason for killing someone,
	depending on the circumstances.

>(But, as Mr Goetz did, you have to
>prove that you had reason to feel threatened)

	Well, yes and no.  Technically, it is the prosecution that must prove
	that you did NOT have good reason to feel threatened.  In the real
	world however, this is sometines not the case.  It is supposed to
	be innocent until proven guilty, but in this age of the war on drugs
	and the new world order, this is becomming less and less so.

	-Andy V.
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Keywords: Yippee
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:40:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: relay.1993Jan26.204043.5571
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Say what you will but I think the soccer style kick works well enough for
rats..... ohhhhhh noooooooooo take cover :-)

Per animals in general, I have been working with one handed short swords
recently 18 - 30".  My instructor has told me that the high guard
postion is excellent for sword on sword.  The low guard, is valuable when
facing an oponent who is on lower terrain (somehow I can't help thinking
about erol flyn type movies when then jump up on tables) because you need
a good low guard or lose your knees.

The middle guard though has advantage for facing wild animals incl tigers
(Koreans talk about tigers a lot!).  You can cut/chop down, but just as
important, if you have missed (or have multiple animals) and the blade is
at the bottom stoke, you still have a lot of technique that can be
applied on the upstroke including stike to paws or bottom of throat if they
are trying to jump up on you.  My instructor doesn't like my MA dog BTW
so I always have to hide him when we train :-)

Dogs, did someone say dog?  I'll tell you what is NOT a good idea, get on
all fours and try to bite them!

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