HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
Subject: Re: Being a product of the "EOKA-ASALA/SPDA/ARF" generation.
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:34:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gavras@acs.bu.edu

In article <9211031929@zuma.UUCP> our ol' pal sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic/
Hasan Mutlu/whoever-the-fuck-he-is) continues to make the usual jerk of him-
self:

>In article <100454@bu.edu> gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras) writes:

>>In article <9211022018@zuma.UUCP> our ol' pal sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic/
>>Hasan Mutlu/whoever-the-fuck-he-is) continues to enthrall us:

>>>Source: Jacop P. Fallmerayer, 'Geschichte der Halbinsel Morea,' 
>>>        (Stuttgart and Tubingen, 1830).

>See, you have already demonstrated ample willingness to put your "palik"
>foot where your mouth is. Wait, there is more.
>
[The usual wave of Mutluistic swill then washes over us]

What the hell are you talking about? It seems Argic/Mutlu/whoever-...'s 
'xerokefalo' cranial appendage is composed of thick layers of some cement like 
substance insulating the spacious interior against logic. If indeed Edward
Wiener wants to stuff this particular item and hang it on his wall he will
have great difficulty accessing the interior to fill it, but should he succeed,
will find there is ample room for any material he wishes to use.

It is impossible to even have a straight ahead discussion with Argic/Mutlu/...!
He seems to be content just being the soc.culture.etc. resident buffoon. 

I've been trying for 4 or 5 postings now to coax an explanation from The Virus 
concerning his mongoloid theory on the origins of the name "Istanbul". I hereby
give up all hope of ever getting a straight answer, and must therefore conclude
that Argic/Mutlu/whoever has finally realized he fucked up...

                        Cheers,

                                 Alexis

"Without music there would truly be reason to go mad"

                                     -Tchaikovsky   
                        
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From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: test
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:39:36 GMT



 this is just a test...
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Addressing Turkish Genocide Apology #447
Followup-To: foolishness 
Summary: Another reference from a non-exiatant source 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:21:43 GMT

As scribed in <9211052040@zuma.UUCP>, a further Turkish re-write of history, 
posted via its fascist servant sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic), we found...

...another reference from a non-existent source!

Note: [(*] == Turkish re-write of history.

Turkish Genocide Apology responded to article <1992Nov3.193633.3990@newstand.
syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) who wrote:

[CRD] Yeah. What a great historian you are! Too arrogant to even define an 
[CRD] uncommon term. I haven't had a conversation like this since I left 
[CRD] fourth grade, "dildo".

[(*] In March 1915, the Russian forces began to move toward Van. Immediately,
[(*] in April 11, 1915 the Armenians of Van began a revolt, massacring all 
[(*] the Turks in the vicinity so as to make possible its quick and easy 
[(*] conquest by Russians. Little wonder that Czar Nicholas II sent a 
[(*] telegram of thanks to the Armenian Revolutionary Committee of Van in 
[(*] April 21, 1915, "thanking it for its services to Russia." The Armenian 
[(*] newspaper Gochnak, published in the United States, also proudly 
[(*] reported in May 24, 1915 that 

[(*] "only 1,500 Turks remained in Van the rest having been slaughtered."

Upon checking the Gochnak newspapers here at the Center for Regional Studies:

First of all, THERE IS NO MAY 24th, 1915 ISSUE OF GOCHNAK!

Second, the closest issue of Gochnak to the May, 24th, 1915 issue is the May
15th, 1915 which only mentions Turkish attacks on the Van and Salmast 
(Persia) regions.

Third, Gochnak was published in the Armenian language, too bad Mr. Turkish 
Fascist.

Forth, today there are no Armenians in Van -- only Turks! Upon quoting a
Turkish government sponsored reference, used in the cover-up of the Turkish
genocide of the Armenians, we find:

	"The 1927 Turkish census registered not one person of the Gregorian
	 Armenian faith in Van, one on Bayazit, and twelve in Erzurum. A
	 people who had lived in eastern Anatolia since before recorded
	 history were simply gone". [1]

NO Armenians left in Van, not a single Armenian! Oh yes, the Armenian, "were 
simply gone", they vanished, as truth vanishes when the pen is in the hands of
Turkish Genocide Apology!

		- - - Turkish-suggested Reference - - -

[1] _Muslims and Minorities; The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End
    of the Empire, Justin McCarthy, New York University Press, 1983, page 121
-- 
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org "It has been ever thus in all things, son, 
SDPA Center for Regional Studies    Whatever we thrash we give to the wind, 
P.O. Box 382761                     We too have been blown by the world's wind
Cambridge, MA 02238                 The chaff is gone but the grain remains." 
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From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: KAPTAN KUSTO NASIL MUSLUMAN OLDU?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:03:06 -0600
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

ii. CAPTAIN COUSTEAU NASIL MUSLUMAN OLDU?

 Rivayete gore Kaptan Kusto musluman oldu. Acaba dogru mu? Denilene
 gore Furkan suresini okurken, daha once kesfettigi bir seyi gormus,
 goz yaslari icinde [en dramatik parcasi burasi] Kuran'i opmus ve
 kelime-i sehadet getirerek musluman olmus. Suphesiz, bunu allandira 
 ballandira anlatan vaizler sonuna ``vallahi de billahi de'' kismini
 ekleyerek bunu uydurmadiklarini itiraf ediyorlar.

 Furkan
 53 Birinin suyu tatli ve kolay icimli, digerinin tuzlu ve aci olan iki
    denizi saliverip aralarina da, karismalarina engel olan bir sinir
    koyan Allah'tir.

 Bazi rivayetlere gore Kaptan Kusto Akdeniz ile Atlantik okyanusunun 
 sularinin Cebel-i Tarik bogazinda karismadigini daha onceki
 arastirmalarinda ispatlamismis. Bunun Kuran'da gecmesi onun musluman
 olmasi icin saik [gerekce] olmus ve aglayarak musluman olmus. Daha sonralari
 Kaptan Kustonun musluman olmadigi kendisi tarafindan Turkiye'de 
 Cumhuriyet gazetesiyle yaptigi soylesi sirasinda belli oldu ama her 
 nedense Kaptan Kustonun musluman oldugu palavrasina inananlarin
 sayisinda bir dusus olmadi aksine vaazlarda tekrar edildi durdu.

 saygilarimla
 ------------
 kaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: gorgunm@pell2l15.alleg.edu (Murat Gorguner)
Subject: E-mail adresi
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:12:42 GMT

Bogazici Univeritesinde okuyan bir arkadasimin E-mail adresini bulmaya  
calisiyourum bu konuda herhangi bir bilgisi olan varsa lutfen E-mail  
adresime gonderin.
Tessekkurler,
             Murat Gorguner.
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: re: Camel Wrestling
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:55:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT) writes:

> Not kidding.  In some small villages in Turkey, camels are somehow made
> to wrestle or fight against each other.  How I don't know.  People do
> not wrestle the camels.  I think the camels would always win that one!
> It would be a tough hump to get over.   (I couldn't resist!)

That was a good one!!!! 

Well, if people can make chickens (roosters) fight, camels would not
be a problem. But aren't camels way too sedate for this? That would be
my response... I have this image of camels serenely walking the
desert, smooth walk and all.

As for camels vs. people, it's a no brainer, folks :-). Camels weigh
(big ones) around 1,000-1,500 pounds. People at the most a third of
that :-)

What time is it? I missed the original post.

Spiros



Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: FENERBAHCE-GALATASARAY
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:50:08 GMT
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

In article <1992Nov9.094042.6241@gw.wmich.edu>, 988fernandez@gw.wmich.edu writes:

|> Cekoslavakya faciasi sonrasi Cuma gunu istifa eden ve ancak Galatasaray'i
|> yenersek geri gelirim diyen Metin ASIK dileginin gerceklesmesi uzerine 
|> tekrar baskan . Fenerbahceli taraftarlar mac boyu takimlarindan cok kuskun
|> baskana tezahurrat yapmislar.

Artik nedir biraderim bu soytarilik. Her yenilgiden sonra istifa edip ertesi
macta galip gelince yeniden geri gelen Metin Asik ve tayfasindan bu
millet bikti artik. Gidin de kardesim bizde rahatlayalim sizde rahatlayin.
Bir ikinci sinif Cek takimindan 7 tane yedikten sonra daha ne yapiyor bu
adamlar. Ey Fener camiasi uyanin artik!!!!!!! Yeter deyin bu saklabanlara.
 
|>  CIM BOM'A KOYDUK SIRA KARTALDA. EN BUYUK FENER.

Hangi yuzle en buyuk Fener diyebiliyorsunuz anlamiyorum. Son uc yilin
sampiyonu ve uc sezona yayilan 45 maclik bir namaglubiyeti hala surduren
ve Fenerbahceyi son 5 senedir her defasinda evire cevire yenen Besiktas
dururken hangi hikmet bunu iddia edebiliyorsunuz. Ustune ustelik bir de
bu sezon liglerin altinda surunen Sariyer ve Ankaragucu'ne kendi sahanizda
yenilmisken. Biraz gercekci olalim beyler. Hele Besiktas'i yenin ve de
sezon sonunda sampiyon olun da, o zaman bende sizle beraber en buyuk Fener
diyeyim. Ama dereleri gormeden pacalari sivamayalim.

|> 
|> 
|> BILGEHAN GOKMEN.
|> 

----------------------------------------------------------------
 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
________________________________________________________________
From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Test
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:28:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

This is a test please ignore

E. Oztemel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Sivrisinek Masali
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:38:58 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Ben size bir Sivrisinek Masali anlatayim mi?

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Armenian crimes revealed.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:06:52 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov7.210637.27610@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:

>Ladies and gentlemen, it is not easy to make confessions. I thought
>that my first one will do it, but as it turns out - you can not hide the truth.
>Either you tell all of it, or nothing. So let everybody know that the 
>pernicious activities of the Armenians can not be limited merely to the modern
>age. All of this started long time ago ... 

But that's just the miscellaneous list. Altogether 30,000 Nazi Armenians 
served in various units in the German Wehrmacht, according to Ara J. 
Berkian. 14,000 in predominantly Armenian army units, 6,000 in German 
army units, 8,000 in various working units and 2,000 in the Waffen-SS.[1]

A number of these Nazi Armenians were volunteers from France, Greece, 
Rumania and Bulgaria who had chosen to commit themselves to the German 
war effort. Derounian says that

"Dashnag Armenians from France bore the mark 'Legion Armenienne.'"[2]

That Nazi Armenians like Dro 'the Butcher' and Nezhdeh sided with 
the Germans probably had an impact on the decision of Armenians who 
overwhelmingly opted for armed service.

[1] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 118/119.     
[2] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), in 'The Armenian 
    Displaced Persons,' ibid., p. 19.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: CEVAP: LAIKLIGIN Teo...
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:24:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Kusura bakmayin ama ben arkadasin soyledigi laflarin hepsini
sozluk kullanmaksizin anlayabiliyorum. Siz bu konuda geri
kaldiysaniz bize ne. Ben Azerbeycan veya diger orta Asya cumhuri-
yetlerinden yayin yapan Turk cumhuriyetlerini dinledigim zaman
bu tur kelimeleri daha cok kullandiklarini isitiyorum ve
anliyorum. Maalesef Turkiyemizde ozturkcelesmek adina bircok
yerde tabir caizse kelimelerin irzina gecildi.

Kelimeler yerine fikirlere karsi yazarsaniz daha iyi olur.

BGC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: BILIMSELLIK ve MARKSIZM
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:56:30 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

'bilimsellik' matah bir sey olsaydi, gokten Marksizm'e basari yagardi.

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Jews were massacred along with the Turks.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 11:10:42 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BxAyIB.5o7@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>Whaaat?? 

Here it is, "morning the porno".

  <<The Greek War of Independence brought disaster to the Jewish communities
  in the Peloponnesos, where the revolution erupted in 1821. The Jews,
  because of their close association with the Ottoman administration,
  were massacred along with the Turks. The Jewish communities of Mistras,
  Tripolis, and Kalamata were decimated; the few survivors moved north to
  settle in Chalkis and Volos, still under Ottoman rule. Patras lost its
  ancient Jewish community, which was refounded only in 1905.>>


                                         Nikos Stavroulakis
                                      'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: TOWARDS "TRANS-EUROASIA" ECONOMIC NETWORK
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:58:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

TOWARDS "TRANS-EUROASIA" ECONOMIC NETWORK

With  the aim  of contributing  to the  economic development  and
stability in  the region after  the disintegration of  the Soviet
Union,  Turkey  has  given  impetus to  the  establishment  of  a
Trans-Euroasia Economic Network.

The Chairman  of the  Turkish Cooperation and  Development Agency
(TIKA) Ambassador  Umut Arik  said that  the Turkic  Republics of
Central Asia have chosen Turkey as their model.

TIKA  Chairman Arik  said that  the agency,  as an  annex of  the
Foreign Ministry,  was established in  September with the  aim of
cooperating with  and supporting  the development of  the Turkish
speaking republics.

He said that  a new chain of independence has  been formed in the
regions surrounding Turkey  which are composed of  people who are
close  to  or  share  Turkish  culture.  These  countries,  while
preserving their own independence are  at the same time in search
of a  model and have chosen  Turkey. Turkey will never  say no to
them,  since  it  is  in  her interests  to  have  stability  and
independence in the region.

Trans Euroasian Housing and Development Bank

From Ataturk onwards Turkey's traditional foreign policy has been
the establishment of cooperation,  good relations and balances in
the region with no pockets of strength.

TIKA will both initiate its own projects and participate in those
presently  being implemented.  It is  necessary to  diversify the
activities of the new republics in regard to their relations with
the outside world  for which purpose support will  be extended in
communications and transportation. Arik  also said that to obtain
the  necessary financing  for  the development  programme in  the
region  a Trans-Euroasian  Housing and  Development Bank  will be
established  and that  following this  infrastructural and  other
projects in the region will be financed.

He said  the new bank  will resemble the World  Bank. Feasibility
reports are being prepared and the establishment of the bank will
be   on  next   year's   agenda.  After   this  materializes,   a
Trans-Euroasian Fund will also be set-up.

NEWSPOT, 22 October 1992
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turks
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:50:18 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BxA60v.2qr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

>Please refrain from posting this on soc.culture.usa

Sorry, but you are barking up the wrong tree.

>While I feel for those affected, I subscribe to soc.culture.usa
>to discuss the USA, not Armenia and what it may or may not have done to Turks.

There is no doubt in my mind that if historical revisionists stopped 
posting their lies to "soc.culture.usa", there would be no more
articles posted by "Argic" there.

>(By the way does anyone ever read *all* of those 20+ page posts?)

Apparently so. In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was 
quoted in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' 

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall 
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Kacikian" listens to this carefully: Nazi Armenians.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:07:58 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov7.210143.27190@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:

>You, pal, listen to this carefully: if you put up with the Turkish crap
>for all this year, then you will have to listen to the answers of those
>people who are directly affected by it.

What is it? In fall 1942, the Armenian infantry battalions 808 and 809 were 
formed, to be followed by battalions 810, 812 and 813 in spring 1943. In 
the second half of 1943 infantry battalions 814, 815 and 816 were created.
These battalions together with other indigenous Caucasian units were
attached to the infantry division 162. Also attached to ID 162 were
the field battalions II/9, I/125 and I/198 which were formed between
May 1942 and May 1943. Altogether twelve Armenian battalions served the
Nazi army, if battalion II/73, which was not employed at any time, is to be
included.[1] Most battalions were commanded by Nazi Armenian officers.
Armenians wore German uniforms with an armband in the Dashnag colours 
red-blue-orange and the inscription 'Armenien.'

[1] Joachim Hoffmann, 'Dies Ostlegionen 1941-1943, Turkotataren, 
    Kaukasier und Wolgafinned im deutschen Heer,' (Verlag Rombach
    Freiburg 1976), p. 172.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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