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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Moreta - hearing dragons - query
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 04:49:15 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Oct10.025406.7828@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang) writes:
>	Apologies if you've discussed this before, but I have to Know:
>
>	Did Moreta really hear dragons, as stated in legend? In
>'Moreta', it seems the dragons spoke to her; she didn't really hear them
>like Lessa did.

According the _Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern_, she was at one time able
to 'converse' with Leri's Holth with the same ease as with her own
Orlith.  She was not able to 'hear' any other dragons.  Therefore, I
belive that the 'Moreta could talk to any dragon in the Weyrs' legend
is just that; legend.

(Also note that Masterharper Tirone wrote The Ballad of Moreta's Ride
keeping Moreta and Orlith together at all times, rather than using the
actual sequence of events described in the book.)


-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: AtWoP - paperback? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:59:25 +0000

The paperback of All The Weyrs Of Pern *is* out in the UK.  I'll try to
get details (ISBN etc.) - I didn't bother 'cos I've already got the
hardcover...

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From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:10:45 GMT

Sean Young as Lessa.
From: vlsi1@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (J "have a jet ski" Ferrara)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: All The Weyrs of Pern (SPOILERS)
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:05:58 GMT
Organization: Nah, who needs any.

In article <1992Oct9.182003.14769@eng.cam.ac.uk> pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk writes:
>This newsreader seems to ignore ^Ls so I will assume that anybody who has got
>this far is well aware of the fact that I am going to "spoil" the story and just 
>continue.
>
>OK. I have been reading ATWOP and I have a question. Apologies if anybody is fed
>up with this but i don't remember any discussion from before I read the book.) 
>AIVAS mentions several times that the bridge of the Yokohama is at a vacuum so 
>how the HELL can Ruth and Farli survive up there with no ill effects? I can 
>_accept_ the lack of need for oxygen (i.e. they store sufficient for ~10mins
>usage in their tissues) even if I believe it is a bit of pseudo-scientific hand
>waving on the part of AIVAS but I do not believe that they would be unaffected 
>by the vacuum. [I gather that several dragons also go outside the spacecraft 
>without protection. Needless to say, when I read this bit, disbelief will be 
>suspended as high as the Dawn Sisters.]
>
>Thanks in advance for any ideas
>
>Philippa
>

Lets assume dragons, like humans and most carbon based life, are mostly water.
Water doesn't compress, so a dragon wouldn't burst or explode or bloat much
(as long as it didn't try to hold it's breath). Another problem would be blood
in surface capillaries boiling away, but if your skin is thick enough, and the
capillaries deep enough, that wouldn't be much of a problem. Humans can survive
is a vacuum for a short time, and would generally die of asphyxiation before
the pressure differential caused any major damage. Just make dragons a bit
tougher than humans, and hanging out in a vaccum isn't an unreasonable thing.

J "have a jet ski" Ferrara
House of the Techno-Discordians
Aquatic Amusements Division
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From: eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Movie castings
Reply-To: eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:50:18 GMT

How 'bout Peter Davison as Robinton?  I like his lightness and his general
I-don't-flaunt-my-authority attitude.  I don't know if he can sing, though 
:-)

Ned.
From: takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:33:48 GMT
Organization: PsiLords of Takis Health Club and Massage Parlor
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In article [cut] quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) wrote:
>In article [cut] rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article [cut], di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies) writes:
>[alt.fan.anne stuff snipped]
>>It could be a possibility. My first thought is "there wouldn't be enough
>>traffic to justify it" but how much traffic is there in something like
>>"alt.gorets"? Occasionally someone does crop up here with a question
about one
>>of the other books. 
>
>You could always use rec.arts.sf.written, you know.  Of course, you'd
>have to put up with the snobs who think that all of McCaffrey's stuff
>is pablum along with Eddings and Anthony, but they're nowhere near as
																																	
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>nasty as the recent flamewar. ;-)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*smirk*  Go write up a nasty post either defending or attacking Heinlein
and tell me that again after a few days...

		-- dr. "tolkien is a lousy shadow of eddings" t

--
"If at first you don't succeed, cheat."
			-- Spike Y. Jones
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Posting 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:46:58 +0000


In article <1992Sep24.174227.26039@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
           tyrie@lynx.cs.washington.edu writes:

>Please!  Is it necessary to include 5 screenfuls of included messages (I
>do not exaggerate here) befor eyour post?

You know, *I* noticed that as well...

>I almost skipped several threads
>because it took so long to draw it all up on the screen.

I *have skipped a lot of threads, potentially missing some interesting
stuff, because I was trying to avoid the rantings of a few people...
Some seemed to be trying to quote the whole saga to date in each new
message...

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From: raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky)
Subject: Re: All The Weyrs of Pern (SPOILERS)
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:08:42 GMT

There's been real research done on the effects of vacuum
like you'd find in near-planetary space on such things as
the human body. This is available for perusal, if you can
find an archive where it's at.

Arthur Clarke used some of the research that was extent
when he wrote the screenplay (and eventually the book) for
2001: A space oddity (sorry, got away from me there... Oddessy)
where he states that a human has something like 18 seconds before
the veins in his mucous membranes begin to rupture, and some time
before those in his eyes go.

One imagines that dragons are made of sterner stuff, since they
fly between and have no ill effects other than using up lots of 
stored food (remember how much Ramoth ate after taking Lessa
back to Mardra's time?)

There is also, of course, the undeniable fact that almost any
subtle mechanism beyond the purly physical could be at work:
this is a work of fiction, and its primary job is to entertain 
(which it does well) and physical laws sometimes take a back seat
to that.

Somehow, however, I find it more difficult to suspend disbelief
enough to read some of the recent bio journals, than I do
novels. And yet, some of the demands that writers in those articles
demand of their readers is much more unreasonable than Anne has required
of us!

raybro

Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 11:43:45 -0400 
From: Ann Laurel Kopchik <amergina+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
	<dragon.718430212@camelot>

On 07-Oct-92 in Re: Film possibility???      
user Matthew Korth@camelot.br writes:
>In <1992Oct5.200421.28264@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com>
raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com
> (Ray Brohinsky) writes:
>>Sean Connery as Robinton? And have the man responsible for diction
>>on all of pern schlug through all his lines?
> 
>That *would* be a problem... since Robinton is supposed to speak
>without a trace of a regional accent...

Um.. What would be the "normal" accent of Pern?  In Renagades, Avis had
to adjust for lingual shifts... perhaps "with out a trace or regional
accent" would sound like an accent to us.  

Besides, I'm sure the people in the UK think that Americans have a
horrible accent!  I suppose what is or isn't an accent depends on where
you are in the world.  

-Ann
From: bnash@castor.acs.calpoly.edu (Barb Nash)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:27:50 GMT
Organization: The Harper Hall of Pern


In a previous article, Ann Laurel Kopchik spake thus:
>
>Um.. What would be the "normal" accent of Pern?  In Renagades, Avis had
>to adjust for lingual shifts... perhaps "with out a trace or regional
>accent" would sound like an accent to us.  

Since Anne lives in Ireland, I always mentally "heard" the characters
with an Irish accent.  But then, when singing, even the british "lose"
their accent, so for Robinton to have no "regional accent" it would
seem logical for his singing and speaking to sound the same...


Adara, rider of queen Elnath
(or Barb to the locals)


-- 
Barb Nash                 "We know now why Moses wandered for 40 years in the
bnash@polyslo.calpoly.edu  desert.  Like most men, he was too stubborn to ask 
bnash@nike.calpoly.edu     for directions."  --unknown
From: JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:36:12 GMT
 <92281.163325JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct8.140317.23413@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
 <Oct08.204918.84360@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <Oct08.204918.84360@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo) says:

>I have to disagree with my WeyrLeader and agree with the nomination of
>Peter O'toole for the part.

>O'toole has defined a range of characters greater than any Connery has and
>He does the drunk routine marvelously well. His amiablity seems much more
>urbane than does Connery's who is equally as amiable but comes off as more
>gruff rural than cultured sophisticate.

>I think O'tooles skill would be in the mimicry that Robinton was written to
>have possessed. As much as I do like Connery, he is allways distinguishable
>as Sean Connery...whereas O'toole well He looks the same, sounds similar but
>is totally different character in each part he plays.


>Brian Blessed as Fandarel the MasterSmith (Blessed was Voltan in Flash Gorden,
>the uncle of Henry the Vth in Branagh's Hank V and many other roles)
                                                 /
Yes, yes, yes!                                  /
                       Including Richard the 4th in Black Adder 1,
                       King Yrcanos in Dr.Who's "Mindwarp",
                       Robin's Dad in Costner's Robin Hood, etc., etc., etc.

>Rowan Atchkinson would make an Awesome Wansor (Rowan is the Black Adder)

       Atkinson...minor spelling quibble.
Character quibble...I don't think he'd be right for this part...IMHO.

>The Baldwin brothers (Well two of them at least) would make Good F'lar and
>F'nors...

Yes, they would work.

>Any more? I want to see what you all think...About the others. (Please...
>no Kevin Costners as F'lar and Mary-Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Lessa though.
>=))

>They allready did a number on RobinHood.

No argument from me here. :-)

>Th'ron rider of Wulfrith
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Pern Board Game
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:24:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <5100@calmasd.Prime.COM> mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello) writes:
>Has anyone played the Pern board game?  I'm curious to know what
>the age level is and if it's an entertaining game before I shell
>out the bucks.

What, you can play it?

Seriously tho, I bought it for the map (Northern Continent, full
color, all the Weyrs, Holds and Crafthalls are marked with their
badges/symbols), the cards (by Robin Wood, who did People of Pern
- great pictures of all the Lords Holder and Weyrleaders at the
start of the 9th pass), and books (which have invaluable data on
threadfighting tactics, types of fall, etc).

I've never tried to play it. :)

Joshua
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: the vacuum thing (spolers)
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa


	I had a hard time with it as well. You may not explode but if your
skin were tufer you would defintly expand. There is no presure in a vacuum
and there is a loot of presure in your body of any uthere speceses, at lest
as much as the atmosfer around you. This is what keeps the atmosfer from
crushing you and fluctuates depending on were you are.  Humans have to 
breath to adjust the presuser in there bodies properly.
	My explanation for the dragons handaling the vacuum is that they use
there psi. to mantain presure on the out side of there bodies.

ELF-KIN
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: _The Dragonlover's Guide To Pern_
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:53:34 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous


Today, while browsing through my favorite bookstore, I noticed that in
addition to the hardcover copy that has been available there for ages,
there were two new softcover (trade paperback, same size pages as the
original hardcover) copies available as well.

If you've been having trouble finding the DLG in your neighborhood, or
can't spring for a hardcover, J'bob says check it out.

				AMBAR
From: takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Yapping
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:55:15 GMT
Organization: PsiLords of Takis Health Club and Massage Parlor
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In article [snip] 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
(geez, see what a few hours of sleep does to one's ability to capture
headers?)

> agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:
>[snip]

>  WILL ALL OF YOU DICKHEADS PLEASE STOP WRITING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS,
BEDTIME
>STORIES AND EACH OTHER AND KINDLY FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>  This has gone on for long enough. If you can't stop then at least limit
>your replies to under 100 lines long. When I come accross articles 353,
104,
>114 or even 74 lines long all you are doing is writing too each other,
for
>no-one else bothers to read so much CRAP.
>
>  Now kindly discover how to e-mail and get the fuck off alt.fan.pern
>
>CLEAR???????????????

I always find it interesting when the amount of bandwidth wasted by
people screaming at other people to *stop* a discussion exceeds the
actual amount taken up by it.  I find it even more interesting when the
posts objecting to a discussion get ruder than the actual discussion. 
Hell, I doubt if I used this many obscenities in all of my postings
combined.

Learn to use a killfile, kid.  Please. 

	-- dr. "dammit, pol, I am *not* cute" t
			Ye Royal Lord High Twink-Squisher Extraordinaire, Amby's Army

--
"I wasted time, and now doth time waste me."
			-- Richard III
From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Welcome to alt.fan.pern (Semi-monthly posting)
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:16:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

First: Great FAQ Gym!

quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
>  Pern-themed MUSE:
> 	DragonsFireMUSE (pioneer.unm.edu 4444 or 129.24.9.217 4444)
> 
>         [Set before/during the 11th pass, I believe.]

Just before the 11th pass.  Thread is complete but pretty much needs to
be
hardcoded which doesn't look like it'll be done for the forseeable
future,
much to my chagrin.
 
>   [1: Currently down looking for a new site.]

Nope! It's up!  We are on the look out for a new site, but that's
mostly because UNMs computing setup may change, forcing us out.  This
isn't due to problems with sysadmins or such (at least, I don't think
it does. :) )

F'lyr, Director @ Large @ DragonsFire MUSE
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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: Everybody wants an alt.* group...(was Re: Lessa's 'leaning')
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:06:48 +0000


In article <a3gpagj@lynx.unm.edu>, quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes-
:
>
>You could always use rec.arts.sf.written, you know.
>

Ah, but then we'd have to work out from the headers if the post was
about Annes books or someone elses.

Peter.


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From: JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:33:25 GMT
 <1992Oct5.200421.28264@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> <dragon.718430212@camelot>
 <UeokKlu00UhWM2iZBh@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Since, I'm the idiot who suggested Sean Connery (and I like the idea of Peter
O'Toole too), I suppose I'll have to defend him.  I chose Connery not only 'cos
I like him as an actor, I've seen enough of his stuff to know he can change the
accent of his voice...ever see Highlander, Red October, and the James Bond
movies?  He's got a different accent each time.  Of course there's going to be
some trace of Scottish in his accent, but if the majority of his accent is not
his natural accent, then I can live with it...BTW, I think the pic of Petiron
in PoP looked more like my mindimage of Robinton than the actual pic, but oh
well...can't win 'em all, I s'pose. :-)

Cheers,
Jean
aka Chainsaw the .sig-less
aka Varoni, PernMUSH
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From: psyco4@rosie.uh.edu 
Subject: Re: Other writes with homsexuall characters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.121202.986@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...) writes...
>>>>>Oh, give the woman a break, will you!  She created a society where
>>>>>homosexuality plays an active, vital part.  How many other science
>>>>>fiction and fantasy authors do that? 
> 
>>>>Marian Zimmer Bradley -- that's one...
>>>Mercedes Lackey -- that's two...
>>Joseph Hadelman(sp?) -- that's three...
>John Varley -- that's four...
Piers Anthony -- that's five...

Jason Ballew
Z'kon@PernMush
Auzmen@PernMush
Jayson@Soucon
Erych@DragonsFire
Flame me if ya want, I know how to 'kill' stuff ;P

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From: debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Debbie Fishburn)
Subject: Re: AtWoP - paperback?
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:03:46 GMT

Mark Goldie (mark@kiwi.gen.nz) wrote:
: In New Zealand I Think it's only availible in HardBack .. (probly the same as 
: Australia) Isn't this a sort of stupid question to post under world distribution ??
: 
: 
-- 
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                 From: Debbie Fishburn
		       debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: * IMPORTANT INFORMATION * - UseNet Pern fiction
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:44:36 GMT
 <Bvux5K.C58@math.okstate.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <Bvux5K.C58@math.okstate.edu>
russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop) writes:

> >I have been informed that at least one of the MU*s did get Anne's
> >permission - that's fine.  I would suggest to any who do *not* have her
> >permission (for them, individually, not 'well, she said someone else can
> >so that covers me') that they seek to contact her if they wish to stay
> >within the law.  If anyone wants to contact Anne, I can pass on the
> >messages.  If they want instead to 'do their own thing' and take the
> >risk, fine - think of it as evolution in action...
> 
> FYI:
> 
> The Pern that solicited (and received) direct permission from Ms. McCaffrey
> was PernMUSH.
> 
> -D'vin
> Fort Weyrleader

The letter was sent out approximately one full year ago.  At that time,
I was informed that a member of each of the major Pern areas had
officially been added to the letter sent to Ms. McCaffrey by
Moonchilde.  For those of you who remember Pernth (which was started in
late 1990, I think) it was partially established on a concept of
equality - through a variety of colors (that is to say: purple, etc.
etc.).  Canon Cops (tm) didn't like it of course, and hence some of the
absurd infighting amoung the people of Pernth and other PernMU*'s.

The letter was recieved by *ALL* Pern theme MU*'s, and Pernth got the
express hint that our ideals had to change.  We had to rely on people's
intelligence to get them to act intelligently and as a community,
rather than emphasizing that fact through random colors.  That is to
say - the distribution of colors avoided any kind of 'color racism' on
the part of the players.  Phrases like, 'Oh, he's just a blue' didn't
come up.

Sadly, that has become slightly more evident in DF ever since we
evolved from Pern.  It's a sad reality that a lot of people are just
plain prejudiced, stupid and egotistical.. I mean, hey, look at this
newsgroup.  To say that I'm disenchanted with what Pern *can* do to
people is an understatement.

This is all tangential to the point, however.

Ms. McCaffrey's letter was a response sent by a collection of MU*'s
regarding rumors of possible legal suits.  Pernth was addressed, albeit
obliquely, and we followed suit with her wishes.  DragonsFire, as the
evolution (for better or worse, I've yet to decide sometimes), of
Pernth has the same mandate of approval as PernMUSH does, and has had
that mandate since late Novemeber, 1991.

Just thought I'd add that to D'vin's FYI, which is not completely
correct.

Falryx @ many places,
F'lyr  @ DragonsFire MUSE, Director incognito.
Ted Wallace, Dartmouth '93.

Joshua: Yah. She needs new lawyers. :)
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