From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Death of America
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:33:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.230952.2401@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>
>>i am not a U.S. citizen, but i consider myself more american than many
>>US citizens are. i believe in the ideals upon which this country was
>>founded. i moved here from canada, where they are further along the
>>path to self-destruction than we are. if you want to see where the
>>US will be in five years, look north of the border. especially 
>>anyome who covets canada's despicable health care system.
>
>Other than insurance, what else is Canada's so-called "system"?
>(BTW, I'm Canadian and have lived and worked in many provinces.)
>Factor out geography, low population, its lop-sided distribution,
>a monopoly of private doctors just like America ... what else???

the "insurance" was my point, and it is obscene enough to make
the system despicable, IMO, regardless of the rest of it.
and it isn't "insurance". that's a government euphemism, just
like "unemployment insurance" which also isn't insurance.

>Just trying to add perspective here ... we Canadians don't think
>much about how we do our health care, and tend to think that there
>is more government involved (it's only insurance) than there really 
>is when you start to break things down ...

you see?
that is the kind of attitude that is dangerous. "it's only insurance". right.

>by the way, if you know
>anyone who works for the Canadian insurance industry in London, ON
>they can tell you that our private insurers are glad that they did
>not stay in basic medical coverage when they off-loaded it onto the
>public sector (do you know who Paul Martin, Sr. was?).

i don't know who he was. maybe you could tell us a little more if
you know more about that sub-topic.

>
>>canada's taxes, welfare-statism and apathy to government intervention
>>is sickening. it is really depressing to come down here and find
>>that it is getting worse, especially with that professional liar 
>>(that's what he is) now running the country.
>
>I think that Charles is referring to our Conservative prime minister,
>Brian Mulroney.  You know, the one that the U.S. Republicans and Wall
>Street all love.  I just wanted to put in some perspective here, 'cos
>Mulroney is not very well loved and this transcends all political
>lines.  Mind you, the Canadian and British Conservative Parties are
>still a little too "socialist" for most Americans ...

well said. canada's major political parties have all moved to
the center, if not left of center. ten years ago i would have said
the conservatives were right of center, the liberal left of center
and the NDP left of the liberals. now they are all left of center,
the conservatives the least, but all pretty close. and mulroney is
a (not very funny) joke. on the other hand, maybe wall street loves
him because as bad as he is, someone else would be worse (cf.
ontario's Comrade Rae (the Premier, as he is affectionately known)).

--
charles
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