From: hamilton@vms.macc.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Date: 17 Jul 92 21:38 MDT
Subject: More on WYSIWYFax
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul17.154130.637@macc.wisc.e:642128182:001:12216
Nf-From: vms.macc.wisc.edu!hamilton    Jul 17 21:38:00 1992



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   |\  /|  /\   /   \ /   \                 Douglas Hamilton       
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Madison Academic Computing Center       hamilton@WISCMACC.BITNET
University of Wisconsin-Madison              (608) 262-5667
Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer my question (excerpted 
below). I really appreciate it! Here are the responses so far. I'll be on 
vacation for awhile, so don't expect a speedy reply to email. 


dh




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>
>In comp.dcom.fax you write:
>
>>I have a friend with a Zoom fax modem. He creates heavily formatted 
>>documents (equations and such) in DOS WordPerfect. He would like to be 
>>able to fax them and have them look approximately like they would if 
>>printed to a LaserJet. I am aware that Hijaak will convert many file 
>>formats into common fax formats, but they just support PCL4, and my user 
>> REQUIRES PCL5. I am also aware that many Windows fax software 
>>packages support WYSIWYG faxing, but I am having trouble finding the 
>>right DOS package.
>
>>Am I barking up the wrong tree? Can someone kindly point out the right 
>>tree? I will summarize any replies to this newsgroup. 


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Terry Jones of the University of Toronto says: 


I am unaware of software for faxing that emulates PCL5, PCL4 seems to be 
the norm. SOmeone correct me if I am wrong please, pretty please! There are 
solutions to the problem. SOme fax software supports PostScript which 
should work just as well as PCL5 or better. Facsys stuff does it using
an EiconScript board in the PC. (We are NOT talking cheap here...) 

Personally the better approach I think is to migrate to WordPerfect for 
Windows
and then use one of the MANY windows FAX products. File format 
compatible with
5.1

tj


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Sandy Bendremer of AnyWare Associates says: 


Doug:

Here is a different approach. A company called Swifte has a font package out 
for DOS WP 5.X called Glyphix. The fonts are good quality and inexpensive
(around $100). The advantage for FAX is that with an additional product 
called the Glyphix Extension ($75), WP can be directed to generate a PCX 
image.
Generally, fax modems accept or can convert PCX files with no trouble. 

We do a LOT of work with computer FAX! As far as we know this is the best 
(or only) way to easily get high quality output from DOS WP. 

-Printer emulation never seems to work well. 

If you need help finding Swifte let me know. 

-sandy



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dpeter at the Univ of Washington says:

call intel fax back they hafvve good software ... 1800 525-3019 or call voice 
503-629-7000 



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I was interested in reading the Swifte software item in your responses! I 
have seen and used the Glyphix fonts and for single user single printer 
applications they are good (recommend 386 computer fer sure...) and their 
extension sounds possible...

I tried at one time to make an Epson driver put out all graphics byt telling 
WP that the printer had NO builtin characters so do them all as graphics. WP 
ran out of memory. Maybe Swifte did more work and or
they do it in a TSR instead, possibly in extended memory or something. 
Sounds like a thing to look into!

Intel has good software but I don't think they do PCL5 yet, I have been 
wrong before :-( :-)

tj


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I'm following responses to your post in comp.dcom.fax. If you receive Email 
responses as well, I'd appreciate it if you would forward them to me and/or 
summarize.

My wife has a similar need. She is working as a contract tech writer. Her 
word processor of choice is WordPerfect, and we have the DOS version. She 
wants to be able to fax the formatted result of her work. I don't know the 
difference between PCL4 and PCL5, so I don't know whether that is relevant 
to the question. We do have an HP DeskJet Plus printer, if that matters.

I haven't been able to get any solid recommendation for software to solve 
the problem, save for the vague "go to Windows and get a Windows 
fax/printer driver." Now, we _do_ have Windows, and in fact my word 
processor of choice is Word for Windows, and I would like a solution for that 
as well. But even if I solve that problem it leaves my wife with her 
WordPerfect/DOS problem. Unless we try importing her WordPerfect files 
into W4W, which I am certain will not thrill her. 

I have heard of Hijaak, but it was unclear to me that it would solve my 
problem. How much detail do you have on its capabilities? Do you have any 
recommendations for good fax and/or conversion software (Windows or non-
) that can address this problem? --
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Hi, Doug--

In comp.dcom.fax you write:


>formats into common fax formats, but they just support PCL4, and my user 
>REQUIRES PCL5. I am also aware that many Windows fax software 
>packages support WYSIWYG faxing, but I am having trouble finding the 
>right DOS package.

Intel's latest software for their new SatisFAXtion boards now supports PCL5. 
I haven't seen it yet, but if it's anything like their previous offering that 
understood Epson printer codes, it attaches to LPTx: and converts whatever 
you print to that port to a FAXable document. As one other reply said, call 
their FAXback service and get the details. 

Note that this software might only be available with the purchase of a 
SatisFAXtion board, requires a CAS-compatible interface to the modem, and 
may not work with other modems, besides. On the other hand, the 
SatisFAXtion 100 isn't a coprocessor (as far as I know), so maybe all you 
need is a CAS driver, if such a thing is available for your modem. Also note 
that I have no experience with the alleged software, only the older Epson-to-
FAX package.

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I am using the fax software that came with my Worldport to send files 
prepared
with TeX. It is a somewhat convoluted path, TeX creates a dvi file, from 
which one PCX file per page is created, this is converted to the FAX format,
and then converted again - I don't know why - for actually sending the fax. 

On my 386sx notebook that takes 2-3 minutes per page, of which the actual 
fax transfer is about 45 seconds. It also eats up a fair amount of disk space 
unless I delete the PCX file once it has been converted. But it gets there, and 
the output looks great, impossible to distinguish from a Laserjet
(II) output if an appropriate font is used. 

Maybe you can get through the same path (creating a Painbrush or similar 
file and faxing that)
Thomas

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tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Terry Jones) writes: 

>I am unaware of software for faxing that emulates PCL5, PCL4 seems to be 
>the norm. SOmeone correct me if I am wrong please, pretty please! 

Intel SatsisFAXtion modem lines is shipping with a program called FAXPOP. 
It
can emulate either an Epson FX85, or a HP Laserjet III. Yes, it does support
PCL5.... scalable fonts and all that jazz. Contact Intel at 800-538-3373 for
more details.

>Personally the better approach I think is to migrate to WordPerfect for 
Windows >and then use one of the MANY windows FAX products. File format 
compatible with >5.1

You can use Intel's FaxPop with Word Perfect 5.x from DOS, or use their 
newly
released FAXability software from Windows to fax directly from within any 
Windows app. (They call it WYPIWYF... What You Print Is What You Fax!) 

-- Mehdi --