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From: toin@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Toin Bloo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: S3: Re: Odd Psion 3 behaviour
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:35:27 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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Philip Elwell (pe@cam-orl.co.uk) wrote:
: John, I think your confidence is misplaced. My S3 is always set to update when
: I press the System button. My machine also slows down occasionally for while.
: The more CPU intensive your activities are, the longer the slow period. This
: is a separate phenomena to the 'Updating Lists' slowdown. I have always assumed
: , as does steve@geosys.co.uk, that the S3 is performing some sort of garbage
: collection/memory defragmentation.
: 
: On a similar subject, I have seen my S3 switch itself on for no apparent
: reason. I think this has been mentioned before, but has anyone spotted any
: pattern to this? More importantly, is there anyone who thinks their S3 does not
: do this? I have seen it happen to several S3s, and I have a nasty feeling that
: if they aren't set to auto power off they will stay on.
: 

If you read the document file shipped with the 'Spy' application, you find
the S3 has some jobs running (not visible) to collect released blocks of
memory. That's garbage collecting in the main memory, not on disks. Perhaps
somebody can watch this strange processes with Spy?

I never saw my S3 switch on automaticaly. If that happenend, was the serial
link connected? That would do the trick, then.

-- 
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From: forbesm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mark Forbes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Repost: New HP95LX for sale
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:17:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1jpa7bINN1ip
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon
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bes38869@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Bard Duelak   ) writes:

>	I have three, new, in the box, never been used HP 95LX's 
> with 1Mb ram, plus the Connectivity packs from HP for the PC
> for sale.  Like I said, they are brand new, and still have the
> factory warranty.
>	EduCalc sells the 95 for $589 and the Connectivity
> pack for $79.95.  I just want to get rid of these, and am
> selling the HP95LX's with the packs for $540 each.

So, unusually generous relatives, or what? Had a sudden urge to buy
a 95, and got overwhelmed when you saw them in big stacks on the shelf?

It sounds like there must be a story behind this......

Mark G. Forbes | forbesm@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
From: eric@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Eric S Fraga)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion 3 Views, or other machine recomme
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:36:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department
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Rob Latham - Sun Logistics Europe (rob@firefox.uk.sun.com) wrote:
: >I don't know what they cost in the USA, but I bought mine here in England
: >for 169 pounds.  Whatever you do, make sure you get the 256k model, NOT
: >the 128k.

: Is this the price of the 256k model ?
: The best price I've found for the 256K model is #249, where
: should I be looking ?

The best price I've seen agrees with the above: #169 + VAT
(17.5%) from a mail order company DABS Press who advertise in
Personal Computer World, Computer Shopper, etc.  This is for the
256k model (the 128k model is about #130).

(current exchange rate is roughly $1.50/#1)

eric
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch (Peter John Kunz)
Subject: Re: ZEOS Pocket PC review
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:32:39 GMT

In article <PHR.93Jan20164608@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>The one hassle about the Pocket PC is lack of an internal modem.

are such palmtops available?

>Any chance of them making a unit with a PCMCIA 2.0 type II slot?

what is the difference opt standard pcmcia slots?


cu
-pete




-- 
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petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch	pkunz@amiga.physik.unizh.ch

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: FLASH vs. RAM
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:15:02 GMT

In article <1k3khqINNmfl@mojo.eng.umd.edu> jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey) writes:
>The differences between CMOS RAM and FLASH go beyond volatility.  Most
>important, Flash requires  a relatively high voltage for writing; does
>your computer have provision for writing to FLASH?  Secondly, since FLASH
>is read in blocks, special software is needed to read from it (and
>write to it too).  Although MicroSoft has a FLashFile program in beta-test,
>one hears, there really isn't any standard software for dealing with FLASH.
>Another interesting thing the software does for FLASH is to make sure that
>the cells written to are distributed over the chip, to equalize wear; the
>cells have a limited (albeit large) number of cycles.
>
>CMOS RAM has the disadvantage only of requiring a battery back-up.  Otherwise
>it can generally be used exactly as a (very fast) floppy; nothing special
>about reading it or writing to it, since each bit is individually 
>addressed and only logic levels are required.  In the short term, I would
>think that CMOS RAM would be much more useful than FLASH.  Due to cost,
>density, and nonvolatility FLASH (or something like it, like good old EEPROM)
>will eventually dominate, but due to manufacturing problems and software
>incompatibility I'd say not for  a couple of years.
>

Yes, these are the theoretical considerations. But I wonder how
they work out in practice. Firstly the cost of 1M RAM is the same
as 2M FLASH. Secondly RAM batteries can fail. OTOH FLASH can
suddenly fill up before you know it. Thus I am looking for
actual user experience.

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/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Remote control from unix
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:41:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan26.091834.29645@ericsson.se> danne@kirin.ericsson.se (Anders Danne) writes:
>There exists several programs for remote control of a PC over serial line from
>another PC. Is there any unix program for remote control of a PC?
>Or is the protocol for any of the PC programs published?

At least one of the programs uses what is mostly VT100 code with the
extra codes needed for the function and cursor keys.  I think there are
some shareware remote console programs as well.  MS-DOS has the simple
"CTTY CON:" procedure which works too, but has no graphics support.  If
you install an ANSI console device driver there are a few programs that
will work properly.

>I would like to hook up my palmtop to my unix workstation and then control 
>file transfers from the workstation.

This is a completely different problem, although the two functions
are sometimes combined into a single program.  The MS-Kermit server
works well for file transfer and even has some remote program execution
capability.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:4512 sci.physics:23319
From: colin@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (colin.alan.warwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,sci.physics
Subject: Nickel metal hydride cells in standard form factors
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:53:01 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Holmdel NJ


Does anyone have data on nickel metal hydride rechargable cells in
standard form factors?

I'd like to populate a table like:

Form	Charge	Price
factor	(mA hr)	($)
======================
AAA	???	???
AA	???	???
C	???	???
D	???	???

[What ever happened to A and B cells?]

Also, what is the voltage of a fully charged NiMH cell, under a moderate load?

Thanx,

colin.alan.warwick@att.com

"This is a talk on experimental mathematics, and if that sounds like a
contradiction, it is no more so than `theoretical physics'."
                              -- F. N. H. Robinson.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
Subject: CSH on a MesSDOS machine
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:29:24 GMT

Yesterday a colleague of mine ftp'ed a "csh.exe" that works like a charm on
my HP 95LX. The file "csh.exe" is located at "etlport.etl.go.jp" in
"/pub/ibmpc/local/csh". The packed version (with pklite) is 35K (I believe
the original size was 55K). The file "_cshrc" (instead of ".cshrc") is
performed first. For those of you who prefer Unix (or should I say dislike
MesSDOS?) it might be a step in the right direction.
--
Hans de Vreught                          | John von Neumann:
hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl               | Young man, in mathematics
Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
The Netherlands                          | you just get used to them.
From: ray@sbi.com (Raymond Blum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: pascal for HP95??  was Re: HP95lx questions
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:07:36 GMT
Reply-To: ray@sbi.com
Organization: Salomon Inc.


 Ol' Turbo Pascal v3.0, the last 'tight' version used to run on 
my Atari Portfolio and I am sure would run on a 95. You can
probably even 'tune' the editor to the 95's screen size via 'tinst'
if memory serves.
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----   Raymond Blum                                ----
----   ray@rann.sbi.com                            ----
----   (201) 896-7594                              ----

  Of course these are MY opinions! Whattya think, my EMPLOYER 
  could've thought this stuff up?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)
Subject: Re: Help: Radio Shack Power Supply Information
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:38:27 GMT

 michael@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Perelman) writes:
>A few weeks ago someone posted the Radio Shack part number for an external
>power supply for the 95lx.  I would very much appreciate it if some one could
>supply me with that information.  Thanks.

Radio Shack PN 273-1651B

I have been using one of these at home for about a month, with no
problems whatsoever.  At work, I'm using the adapter from an expired
modem -- the adapter is rated at 9 vac (800 mA) and actually puts out
10.6 vac or so.

I have seen some posts concerning loss of clock accuracy when running
the 95 on external power.  I haven't had this problem myself, and I
run mine on external power a _lot_.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------
Gordon S. Hlavenka           cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
From: DDFr@Midway.UChicago.Edu (David Friedman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion 3 keyboard typable?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:33:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Organization: University of Chicago Law School

In article <1993Jan23.064836.3302@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>,
mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) wrote:
> 
> 
> How easily can one touchtype on the keyboard of the Psion 3?
> -- 
A while ago I timed myself, and concluded that I could type about as fast
as I could write by hand illegibly, and faster than I could write anything
I wanted anyone else to read. That is still substantially slower than I
type on an ordinary keyboard, but it is fast enough for most purposes short
of writing articles on the Psion, which could be done but would be a little
clumsy. And I think I am slowly getting faster.

I use three fingers of each hand (and the thumb for the space bar). It is
not quite touch typing, since I generally look at the keyboard, but it is a
lot faster than hunt and peck.

David Friedman
Olin Fellow in Law and Economics
University of Chicago Law School
(312) 702-9589
From: jew@venus.sunquest.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: ZEOS grave accent problem is not a problem!
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:38:11 GMT
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems


          Earlier  this week I reviewed  the ZEOS Pocket PC.
          In  said review  I mentioned  that I  had to press
          grave  accent (`) twice in Works Communications to
          get  one to  the Unix  system.   I discovered last
          night   (while   learning   about   Works'   macro
          facility),  that  grave  accent  is  Works'  "skip
          macro" key.  It's purpose is to disable a keyboard
          macro  for  on keypress  of  the key  sequence the
          macro  is assigned to.  So  for instance, I have a
          macros assigned to ^S that prints a Works document
          to  a disk file and then pastes this file into the
          communications  window.  If I want to send a ^S to
          the communications window (to stop output from the
          host),  I need to hit ` followed by ^S to keep the
          macro  from being executed.  Hope this avoids some
          confusion for someone!
--
jew@sunquest.com

Love is in the offing.  Be affectionate to one who adores you.
From: js12@newshost.gte.com (john schettino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: S3: Re: Odd Psion 3 behaviour
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:49:56 GMT
Reply-To: js12@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1993Jan22.083047.3199@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell) writes:
[stuff cut Re: periodic tasks like list updating or memory GC slowing down
 the Psion.]
Phil,
I don't know what kind of OS the 3 has, exactly, but there just is not that
much memory to GC. Unless its moving the ram-disk around, even a 4mhz V30
should be swift. Sounds like a bug in the OS. What version are you seeing this
on? I've got Version1.91/F USA.

|> On a similar subject, I have seen my S3 switch itself on for no apparent
|> reason. I think this has been mentioned before, but has anyone spotted any
|> pattern to this? More importantly, is there anyone who thinks their S3 does not
|> do this? I have seen it happen to several S3s, and I have a nasty feeling that
|> if they aren't set to auto power off they will stay on.
|> 
|> Perhaps someone should ask Psion?
|> 
|> Phil

I have had mine turn on when plugging in the 3-link cable. Thats the only time
I've seen it happen. Maybe the case is compressing to the point of pressing the
on key? I do have mine set for a 1 minute power-off, so I might miss it otherwise.

PS: picked up a Universal Power Adaptor from Radio Shack for the thing, and it works
great! now I can use the 3-link without eating batteries!

- john
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: S3: Shall I get 1M RAM or 2M FLASH?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:11:33 GMT

In article <6326@ceylon.gte.com> js12@gte.com writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.135023.8152@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>|> I mentioned some theoretical pros and cons of RAM vs FLASH SSD's earlier.
>|> But I may now actually have the choice between 1M RAM and 2M FLASH. What
>|> opinions/experiences do people have?
>
>Can you post the source (store or mail-order) and price of each, as
>well? I'm thinking of getting one or more of either kind (so I can play
>Zork!) and was wondering.
>
>- john schettino

The 1M RAM and the 2M FLASH are the same price.

As another poster said, Dabs press who advertise in PCW do them
for GB#229. Also Rovoreed seems quite good.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,sci.electronics
From: jrh@jrh.uucp (James R. Hamilton)
Subject: Re: IR95 and infrared port
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:06:19 GMT
Organization: private system, Toronto, Ontario
Keywords: ir95  infra-red remote hp95lx

In article <1993Jan19.095806.5735@cli.di.unipi.it> luigi@iet.unipi.it writes:
>
>Regarding the ir link on the hp95lx, I'd like to build a similar device
>for a generic PC. Radio Shack has a cheap IR receiver that is well
>suited for this, and IR transmitters at 40KHz are quite easy to
>build. What I don't know, though, is where the device is mapped
>on the 95. Most likely it is on the serial port; can anyone confirm this ?

    It is mapped to the serial port and there is documentation available
    for it on eddie.mit.edu in the doc directory.

>Also, are the sources of IR95 or similar software available ?

    IR95 is also on eddie.mit.edu.

                   --jrh
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Mail Order Palmtops?
From: cvacsgba@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:37:22 PST
Distribution: na
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvacsgba

In article <719@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca>, padecoo@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Pete "Dragon" Decoo) writes:
> 
>      Does anyone know of a mail order house that sells Sharp palmtops?  I'd
> like to get one but there is no nearby distributor.
 							Thanks....
> --
> * Pete "The Dragon" Decoo     : "Eat Right. Get Lots Of Sleep. Drink *
> * Mechanical Engineering      :  Plenty Of Fluids. Go Like HELL!"    * 
> *   Lakehead University       :                                      *
> * padecoo@flash.lakeheadu.ca  :   ....And Remember Kids, ERTW!       *

Try Rupp Technology Corporation...  They are the official programmers of PC and
Mac software for Sharp, with award winning FastLynx under their belt.  They
will match the prices on Sharp Wizards and organizers advertised by ANY
retailer in America (as easy as a fax too).  Their number is (800) 852-7877 or
their fax is (602) 224-0898.  In case you cannot use their 800 number, this
number may work (602) 224-9992.  I got that number from my FastLynx manual.
From: ddeckert@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Poqet PC
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:16:21 GMT
Reply-To: DDECKERT@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

I have had a Poqet PC for a while and greatly appreciate it for taking notes etc. However I would like to be able to buy for RAM cards (old PCMIA) at a reasonable price (other than that charged by Poqet). Does anyone know of a company that specialized in this sort of thing? Thanks is advance.
 
-=-DDeckert@ufcc.ufl.edu
From: secrist@msdsws.enet.dec.com (Strong datatypes for weak minds.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Cheap, programmable, editor, terminal -- which ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:08:10 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


What alternatives do I have today if I want a palmtop that is:

1) cheap (less than $1K, preferably less than $500)
2) programmable (runs an o/s binaries or has programming lang built-in)
3) has a built-in editor for simple text processing (notes, not fancy stuff)
4) can be a terminal (tty, optimally ansi/vt100 sans keypad)

I don't want spreadsheets, hard or floppy drives, backlit displays,
time management, tetris, etc.

Regards,
rcs
From: js12@newshost.gte.com (john schettino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: S3: Re: Odd Psion 3 behaviour
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:29:16 GMT
Reply-To: js12@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1993Jan21.145707.21797@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
|> steve@geosys.co.uk writes:
|> >I have noticed this behaviour as well, here are some clues I have picked up
|> >
|> >   1) The slowdown seems to always start at half past the hour
|> >   2) If you switch to the system screen the "Busy updating lists"
|> >      message is normally there
|> >
|> >this suggests to me that at certain wall clock times the system software
|> >wanders round the system cleaning up memory fragmentation, checking that 
|> >files are still there and other such activities.
|> >
|> >The slowdown seems to only happen for a short while on my fully loaded 
|> >256k Psion 3, but could take longer if the slots are occupied.
|> 

Can you try an additional experiment?

In the system screen, is menu-options 'Update Lists' set to auto?

If it is, does toggling it to 'System button' stop the delays?

I thought so! (Confident, isn't he?)

This option will stop the S3 from updating the lists in the system
display. You can force an update by pressing the System button TWICE.
I run this way and find it really speeds up the system. It's documented
in the manual. You did read it cover to cover, didn't you?

- john schettino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell)
Subject: Re: S3: Re: Odd Psion 3 behaviour
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:30:47 GMT

In article <6149@ceylon.gte.com>, js12@newshost.gte.com (john schettino) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.145707.21797@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
|> |> steve@geosys.co.uk writes:
|> |> >I have noticed this behaviour as well, here are some clues I have picked up
|> |> >
|> |> >   1) The slowdown seems to always start at half past the hour
|> |> >   2) If you switch to the system screen the "Busy updating lists"
|> |> >      message is normally there
|> |> >
|> |> >this suggests to me that at certain wall clock times the system software
|> |> >wanders round the system cleaning up memory fragmentation, checking that 
|> |> >files are still there and other such activities.
|> |> >
|> |> >The slowdown seems to only happen for a short while on my fully loaded 
|> |> >256k Psion 3, but could take longer if the slots are occupied.
|> |> 
|> 
|> Can you try an additional experiment?
|> 
|> In the system screen, is menu-options 'Update Lists' set to auto?
|> 
|> If it is, does toggling it to 'System button' stop the delays?
|> 
|> I thought so! (Confident, isn't he?)
|> 

|> - john schettino

John, I think your confidence is misplaced. My S3 is always set to update when
I press the System button. My machine also slows down occasionally for while.
The more CPU intensive your activities are, the longer the slow period. This
is a separate phenomena to the 'Updating Lists' slowdown. I have always assumed
, as does steve@geosys.co.uk, that the S3 is performing some sort of garbage
collection/memory defragmentation.

On a similar subject, I have seen my S3 switch itself on for no apparent
reason. I think this has been mentioned before, but has anyone spotted any
pattern to this? More importantly, is there anyone who thinks their S3 does not
do this? I have seen it happen to several S3s, and I have a nasty feeling that
if they aren't set to auto power off they will stay on.

Perhaps someone should ask Psion?

Phil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops