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From: hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano)
Subject: Re: Lou Thez 
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:23:38 GMT

In article <htanabe.721765188@ponder> htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu () writes:
>In <mjenkins.721748527@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>
>>Haven't we seen this before? Southwest Championship Wrestling had a
>>tournament many years ago to determine the Undisputed World Champion,
>>and Lou Thesz offered his original world belt then as an added
>>incentive. Adrian Adonis won the tournament, and I would suppose, the
>>belt.
>
>Yeah, I remember that.  Wasn't it from '81 or '82?   It was Joe Blanchard's
>promotion in San Antonio...  Adonis beat Bob Orton Jr.(they were a regular tag
>team in New Japan) in the one-day tornament final, and he was sure wearing that
>old NWA belt.
>
>But, how many NWA title belts does he have....?   He can make just about
>everybody the "real world champion."

The original article about Lou Thez was from the September 8 issue of this
year.  They included a copy of what was presumably the original letter in very
fine print.  The copy included the address intended for replies from the
various organizations.  If you want to ask him yourself;

                      Lou Thez
                      PO Box 8686
                      Norfolk, (VA or WA I can't make it out)
                                 23003

I don't think this address was meant for public replies since it was in such
fine print but what the hey.  I guess they don't think any Japanese fans will
do anything crazy like actually write to the guy.  Its possible that I misread
some part of the address.

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"There have been many great ones in the past, but today I am the greatest"
From: ddf@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (D.D.F.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Questions...
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:41:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

1) How much does Hogan weigh now? He is scrawny or what?

2) Does anyone know anything about the rumor that there are two Ultimate
Warriors? This may sound strange, but one is supposed to bigger teeth.
From: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Vince's Troubles
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens)
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193


To: jones@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Graeme Jones)

GJ>This is probably known information, but what's the state of Rowdy
GJ>Roddy Piper in the WWF? I saw him playing bagpipes at SS, but have
GJ>no other news.

He has no plans at this time to return to the WWF.  His appearance at
SS was to somehow facilitate him getting a work visa in England.
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From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Saturday Night's Main Event
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:09:39 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <Bxrxs1.n2t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

> I enjoyed this interview.  Michaels came across as arrogant,
> and he made a good point: he did just beat the guy who beat Hart
> at Summer Slam.  Both Hart and Michaels can work, so I hope we
> see some good matches between them over the next few months.  Sure
> these matches can't be good enough to make up for the WWF's loss of
> the Ultimate Warrior, but then, what could be?

I wouldn't count on too many rematches over the next few months. Shawn
has the IC title and will be programmed against Marty. Hart, I guess,
will go on and face everyone (the fighting champion). With Vince's talent
pool as it is now, he'll want to use his two singles champions to round out
his two daily house shows.

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  (__  __)     .----------------------. 
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( \/ /         | (jsteeves@ac.dal.ca) |
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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Henning to team with Sava
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:36:52 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Mark Stevens writes:
>
> The insurance settlement was only for a specific time period.  Not
> that he would stay out of wrestling forever.  People just didn't
> know when the time period expired.  Also as someone else pointed out
> that it wasn't specifically mentioned that Curt would wrestle only
> that he would be Macho's partner and be in his corner.


Actually, that's not true at all.  Not to start a "Your wrong, I'm right"
flamefest, but Vince DID pay Lloyd's, to the sum of $750,000.

And yes, he WILL wrestle.


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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Wrestling Superstars
Keywords: I forgot 2 things
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:09:42 GMT

  Once again, I forgot to mention the clown.  He was shown during the
Lance Cassidy/Barry Horowitz match.


  Also, they mentioned the Ultimate Warrior, only to say he's out and
Perfect is in.  The Update was brought to us by the Survivor Series 
program, whose cover had the Ulimtate Maniacs (Macho Man/UW) and
another picture of Flair and Ramon.  Wonder if they have it chagned by 
Wednesday night?

			Fippster 6
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Savage's Mystery Partner
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Michael Jenkinson) writes...
>>IMHO, the ideal option for Vince to choose would be the guy that he
>>wants to get over, but most of the fans aren't familiar with: Bob Backlund!
> 
>I'd like to see that happen, but I don't think it's likely. 
> 
>It strikes me as a big risk for Vince to throw in a rather untested
>individual (in terms of fan response) into a major PPV like that. Then
>again, he did introduce Kane the Undertaker at the Survivor Series two
>years ago...
> 
>Anyway, I'm hoping for Backlund, but I'm not expecting it. Vince's
>choice will probably be really banal and disappointing...like Crush.

    I love a good mystery (especially when it involves Vince getting screwed).
If you look at the choices, you'll see that most marks (95% of WWF PPV viewing
audience?) would be *very* disappointed to see some schmuck that looks like
Howdy Doody (and more importantly that they've never seen wrestle before) 
coming out to team with Savage at SS.  Also, it makes zero sense to have 
Hogan appear unless they announe on this weekends syndies that he'll be there.
If he just shows up unexpectedly then they blow a golden opportunity for a
big buy rate since nobody will know he's gonna be there beforehand.  Any
other face of any note is involved in another match.  Hennig has insurance
payments to think of.  I'm stumped.
     Wouldn't it be a blast if Savage showed up with a heel?  Imagine Papa
Shango coming to ringside and putting a curse on Flair.  Then, we'd have a
new monster face.  Unlikely?  You bet, but it *would* be a surprise.

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Eric Chmiel*****************************************
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: History of Japan
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

HT>6/2/83   Hulk Hogan beats Inoki in an "accident" to be the first IWGP
  >         heavyweight champion.

One of the early signs of Bollea's tremendous ego.

HT>7/16/88  Brody dies after being stubbed by Jose Gonzales(yes, our most hated
  >         wrestler!!!) in Puerto Rico.

Mine too.  I hope when Gonzalez juices someday in a WWC match, he bleeds
to death.

HT>Thanks to those who posted the info on fj group. I'm still having hard time
  >to put the rest of the list('88-today).


Hisaharu,
Thanks a lot for doing this.  It was enjoyable reading.
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: History of Japan
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:39:58 GMT

In article <hit.722226982@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
>dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:
>
>>HT>7/16/88  Brody dies after being stubbed by Jose Gonzales(yes,our most hated
>>  >         wrestler!!!) in Puerto Rico.
>>Mine too.  I hope when Gonzalez juices someday in a WWC match, he bleeds
>>to death.
>
>No, not that way.  I was hoping Onita would bring him to Japan. I could bet
>Gonzales would get assassinated at the Narita Airport on the day he'd arrive by
>LOTS of the loyal Brody fans. Then, Onita would be crying on the interview,
>"I wanna thank all the Brody fans who got arrest and went to jail for their
>courage to kill him instead of asking me to do that..." We can still ask Pogo
>to "invite" him to the Land of Wrestling.
>
>Perhaps, we can ask Baba to book a Egg Dome main event "Handicap Cage Match
>with no time limit draw: Jose Gonzales & Carlitos Colon VS Stan Hansen, Tony 
>Atlas, Dutch Mantel, Jimmy Sunuka, Kevin & Kerry Von Erich, Jumbo Tsuruta, and 
>Berzerker with Dave Meltzer as referee and Barbara Goodish as ring announcer."
>Of course, losers have to have 45 seconds with whoever wanna participate from
>the audience.
>
>A total inside joke...
>

If this match ever occurs, book me a flight to Japan...
-- 
Dominic Macika

"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's going to stop
them."			-Yogi Berra
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

ATB>>2.  How can I get Wrestling Torch. (I know some one else asked, but
   >>                    wanted a E-Mail response.) Please post.
   >  Yes, let me know about this too...Thanx in advance

While there is a possibility that Editor Wade Keller will read this and
reply, let me help out.

The Torch
PO Box 201844
Minneapolis, MN
55420

5 dollars for 4 issues.

The Wrestling Observer (the bible of wrestling)
PO Box 1228
Campbell, CA
95009-1228

6 dollars for 4 issues.
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Survivor Series musings...
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:28:13 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <mjenkins.721787938@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

+>* In discussing the Warrior sitation with my non-wrestling-fan wife
+>(she humors me) her response was so obvious, it made me wonder why no
+>one else thought of it (or at least posted it): **Why would Vince do
+>something so stupid as to fire one-quarter of his main event two
+>weeks before a heavily promoted PPV????**

+>Surely even if the Warrior was being a major jerk, Vince could have
+>bit the bullet for another couple of weeks and gotten rid of Slim Jim
+>*after* the Survivor Series and not before. Hate to sound repetitive,
+>but this card is in enough trouble as it is!

	That is exactly what he did the last time the warrior caused
trouble.  He and the warrior had it out backstage right after the PPV
(summerslam- not this years though).  The warrior probably is not
dumb enough to let it happen twice.

	Whats really happened to the WWF i think is that they are 
beginning to feel the effects of the wrestling talent pool dring up.
In past years, if Vince had any trouble with anyone, there were
other groups he could quickly raid to restore his talent.  
	Now there is almost no new good talent coming into the business
which allows people like UW more leverage.
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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: WCW coming to Belfast.                  
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:55:00 +0000

 Well I got my ticket for the first ever WCW event to be held in N.Ireland.
Front row seat near one of the entrance aisles - ukp21.00 - that's about
$30.00. Now I just gotta wait four months until they get here.

 "The Real Event Is Coming, WCW World Championship Wrestling. Starring Sting,
Johnny B Badd, Ravishing Rick Rude, Dustin Rhodes and an all star line up of
mean and massive monsters."         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 The poster has pictures of Rude, Sting, Badd and Rick Steiner (clotheslining
Bob Cook or Chris Sullivan (not sure which - might be a different scrub.)

 ^^^ -> inserted for anyone who wants to make the obvious comments. Me, I
think he's okay.

 There are six dates on the tour, as has been mentioned before. But looking
at it it seems like they're allowing a full day to get across the Irish sea
with all their gear. This makes me think they must be bringing the same team
to each gig, unlike the WWF who have two sets of wrestlers working dates in
the UK (Belfast always gets the B set - no title-holders. The first time the
WWF was here The Brooklyn Brawler was on the bill against Jimmy Snuka.) This
is a *good thing*.

 Back when the WWF first announced a show I turned up around 9:00am on the
morning when the tickets went on sale - there was a queue of about a hundred
people ahead of me. This morning when I got my WCW ticket there were about
ten ahead of me, and one of them was after a ticket to see some comic. OTOH
they've got almost half a year to hype the event on the national TV show.

 The real worry is who is going to be around in 4 months. Wild guess - are
the people on the advertising (Sting, Badd, Rude and Rhodes) the guys who
have the long term contracts? Who else?


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**It's true, a man can fly. - Virgil.** monster@cix.compulink.co.uk**
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From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Chrispy WVR : Great American Bash '89 - Glory Days
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: chrispy@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu


Another review.  Let's get started...

1) Finals of the Triple Crown King of the Hill Battle Royale

   This was a victim of clippage.  Didn't matter though, as it was
   pretty predictable.  The ending is a bit of a surprise though.

   No rating due to clippage

2) Brian Pillman vs. Wild Bill Irwin

   Why?  Don't ask me.  This one, thankfully, is clipped.  No rating.

3) Skyscrapers vs. Dynamic Dudes

   Another clipped match.  However, you don't miss too much in this Scraper
   squash.  No rating once again.  (I only rate whole matches.)

4) Jim Cornette vs. Paul E. Dangerously

   The winner is the first to remove the opponent's tuxedo.  DO I REALLY
   WANT TO SEE THIS?  Light clippage, but nothing relevant missing.  Once
   again, no rating.

5) Rick and Scott Steiner vs. Mike Rotunda and Kevin Sullivan

   This was before the Steiners became THE STEINERS.  Back when Scott wore
   trunks and not that flourescent wrestling suit.  Give credit to Sullivan
   and Rick for making this match fun to watch outside the ring.  Overall,
   not bad.   ***

6) Sting vs. Great Muta

   Hokey controversial ending.  Besides that, this is a very good match, as
   most matches involving Muta (but not necessarily Muto) are.   ***1/2

7) Freebirds (Hayes/Garvin/Gordy) and Samoan Swat Team vs. Road Warriors,
   Midnight Express, and Steve Williams  (War Games)

   Priceless dialogue from Hayes in this.  Overall, pretty good, considering
   I was expecting worse.  One of the highlights along with Sting/Muta and...
   ***

8) Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk

   This was a great match.  The interference at the end was a disappointment,
   but this one goes down as a classic.  A must see.  Bring back Funk.

   ****

9)  OOPS.  I forgot...  Lex Luger vs. Ricky Steamboat for Lex's US title

   Does that show how forgettable this match was.  The ending is the only
   true highlight in a dull match.   **1/2

Overall, its high points are high and the low points are...well, bottomless.
Still, for Sting/Muta, Flair/Funk, and the WarGames, this is a good video.

Grade : B-    **1/2

Check the next few articles for another review.  Until then...

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From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Perfect face turn
Keywords: Fer real?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:12:04 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	In article <BxxA2s.1yA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:
|> 
|>   Okay, so Perfect is teaming with Savage, leaving two options
|> 
|> 
|> 1) Perfect face turn is for real.  
|> 
|> 2) This is plan C, and Perfect will ambush Savage during the match.
|> 
|> 
|>   2 works better.  Savage can get hurt and be forced to take time off (as
|> he is going to do).  This would enable Curt to just not tag in, leaving him
|> to not take any bumps and risk an injury (also not "wrestle" if there still
|> is an insurance threat).
|> 

	You did forget one more option that could happen.  Perfect could get
jumped by Flair & Ramon on the way to the ring.  He could get *injured* and 
not beable to tag with Macho, thus causing Chris(HH) to reapear to tag with 
Savage.  It is rummored that an agreement has been made with Vince for his return
within the next few weeks.  This sounds like a likely choice because it brings HH
back to save the WWiF and alows Perfect not to enter the ring.

The Silent Freebird


|>   The major problems I have with 2 are fist that if they do this, and Savage
|> is hurt to the point of having to take time off, who will step up and take
|> Savage's place?  You can'T just have a face leave, you need someone to take
|> over the fued (ex, Sid Justice taking over the Jake Roberts fued for Randy/
|> Ultimate Warrior).
|>   The other problem I have is, when was the last time the WWF did a fake
|> turn?  Orndorff was a face for a long time before he turned on Hogan.  So
|> this would be original for Vince.  Also, the next time he did want to turn
|> a heel to a face (as rumored Kamala is going to do) he might not get the fan
|> support, as they will be wary of the last time a heel supposedly became good,
|> only to beat the snot out of his partner at Survivor Series.
|>   It makes more sense to have Perfect become a face, they need another face
|> with Savage leaving, someone who can step right in a fued with Flair & Ramon.
|> 
|> 			Fippster 6
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From: mk009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ([Matt Kaufman])
Subject: Re: All this SWF crap
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 06:10:02 GMT

In <92327.230914SAP120@psuvm.psu.edu> SAP120@psuvm.psu.edu (Shawn Pearce) writes:

>For that matter, why don't you say anything about the FWF that I see running
>around the net.............

>I'm not flaming the FWF (neat idea), but I am saying don't flame one non-wrestl
>ing post without flaming ALL of them.

>My $.02


I think though that is a general consenus that the FWF is more along the
lines of Mr. Becker's dream card idea.  The characters of the FWF were
created by a host of other people not just Jason and Stilt Man therefore it
is not correst for you to judge the two as being equaled.

Matt Kaufman
Class of 1993
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Perfect face turn
Keywords: Fer real?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:30:02 GMT

In <1eee26INNe4t@bigboote.WPI.EDU> steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:


>plan C. Heenan for one, was not acting, but Flair and Ramon were a bit too
>antagonistic towards Perfect before his formal turn than would have made me
>absolutely convinced. It comes down to this: You're all giving McMahon too

I hate to point out the incredibly obvious, but Heenan WAS acting...as
was Flair, Ramon, Hennig, Slackjaw, and all the rest of them. 

It's fake...remember? :)

They're ALWAYS acting.

Michael



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From: rjackson@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Mr. Perfect
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:05:14 GMT

In article <1egt16INN4rm@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
> In article <00963D80.3A18A400@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2up5nedwekp@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
> >Here's an obvious question : who honestly thinks Mr. P will stay good for 
> >more than one month?
> 
> 	Not only do I think so, but I hope so! Also one fact that seems to 
> being forgot is the phone call that Perfect recieved that Bobby assumed was 
> from Flair. This is the key piece of evidence. It could have been Flair, 
> telling Perfect to face turn, but then wouldn't McMahon, who answered the phone
> in the first place have known about it? 

There is no way that Perfect should stay a heel over a month or so.  He makes
one of the best heels going in the WWF.  To turn him into a face would not be a
good move since there are plenty of people that Flair can feud with (even with so
many people leaving) that to start up another feud as such would not be much of a
draw.  Henning is a perfect heel (pun intended) and should stay that way.
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