HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek)
Subject:  Info needed quickly 
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:59:33 GMT

could someone e-mail me a list of the probable starters for every
team in the following positions.....

Quarterback
running back 1
running back 2
Wide Reciever 1
wide Reciever 2
TE

if you guessed FFL, you are correct....I have seen a lot of reports
of people moving and stuff...i can not find a publication that
has current team rosters... any suggestions.....vital...ASAP
before thursday evening.....


dave
From: asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JONAX)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers 20, Patriots 10
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:41:31 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Eric Dieniemy and Marion Butts each scored a TD....for the Chargers
From: dougf@neptune.informix.com (Doug Fielder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:57:37 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.133959.16003@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>In article <MeWkHBW00WDKM8rnFe@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>
>>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>>think the worst is?
>>>
>>
>>personally, I think the "immediate spike" to stop the clock is a shitty
>>rule. Sure you lose a down but so what!? teams in the past have managed
>>to make the play, there's no reason why teams nowadays should get that
>>added bonus...
>>
>
>Well, all they used to do was throw the ball out of bounds.  It may have looked 
>a little more like a real play, but it wasn't.
>

     I don't mind the immediate spike, but last year, the Chiefs were
unfortunately getting their butts beat by the Browns in Cleveland, and
Bernie took a 5 step drop, looked around for open receivers, and THEN
spiked the ball when he didn't see any.  This was obviously intentional
grounding, and Schottenheimer was PISSED!!  But, they didn't make a call,
and Cleveland kept on rolling over us.  I'm not making excuses, but this
was ridiculous.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
>  BRONCOS!!        R.S.F.P. Internet Football Pool Organizer        BRONCOS!!
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     See ya October 4th

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Just my .02

Doug Fielder
Informix Software, Inc.
Lenexa, KS
dougf@infmx.informix.com
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From: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:24:08 GMT
Reply-To: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: baja.corp.sun.com

>In article 24998@sequent.com, schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
 
>The Skins first-string defense has not had a point scored against it
>in preseason games so far.  All scoring has been done in the second
>half against the Skins second-stringers and wannabes.  
>
>schalene

   I guess that means that the Redskins have no depth!
   
   Brian
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears news and notes
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:41:21 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug12.150428.7909@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>The following is taken from this weeks issue of the Bear Report.
>
>Ditka promises more discipline.  


Don't we hear this promise every year from Ditka? Seems to be his answer
for just about every problem. 


Tom Wolf - one who still remembers Ditka throwing gum at the fans
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From: labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:41:33 GMT

thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:


>Additionally, Barry has gone on record as saying he will remain a virgin
>until he gets married.  Even if you are not a Christian, it is easy to respect
>Barry's the dedication to his faith.

	Not at all! Why should I respect someone for making a rather silly
	decision like that?

		George (go 9ers) La Belle
From: lesher@pollux.tmc.edu (T. Lesher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:44:23 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

The Redskins _are getting a good deal.  They're getting a real
quarterback, something they desperately need right now.



--
Tim Lesher  <lesher@bucknell.edu>

"CS Majors-- we do more after 11:00 PM than most people do all day!"
                                -- Dustin Emhart
From: juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cincinnati Wide Receivers... who's hurt?
Summary: Was it McGee or Brown who went down?
Keywords: injuries
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:48:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering



Two quick questions.

1) Was it Brown or McGee that got hurt on the Bengals?

2) How long is he out for?


Thanks.
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From: bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP (Jason Giddens)
Subject: Irvin/Dolphins-cowboys
Reply-To: bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 04:36:56 GMT

Hey.. do any of you know why Michael Irvin didn't dress out for the 
Dolphins/Cowboys game?  i was there and he didnt play a single down.. nor 
did he enter the field.. just wondering..
 
 
 bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.uucp
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/12/92
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:53:57 GMT
    <1992Aug13.154108.5706@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Aug13.154108.5706@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>And I am beginning to question the wisdom of this trip.  The Redskins
>had an exhausting trip to England, will sightsee with their wives, then
>suffer more time lag while returning to Washington and then going on
>to LA.  The end result will be far less practice time than would have
>been the case if they'd remained in Pennsylvania.  Sounds like fun
>for them, but still I worry about the lost time.

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be.  Athlete's can't
practice their entire waking life; they need rest anyway.  Riding a tour bus
is perfect.  And as far as jetlag goes, it's part of any type of nationwide
touring profession; this will be good practice for the regular season.

Yes, they will probably lose a couple of days of practice for packing,
travelling, and unpacking.  But I don't think it will impact the upcoming
Dallas game.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/12/92
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:41:08 GMT

>The London Trip:
>The Redskin owner Jack Kent Cooke will pay most of the bills for the London
>trip, and Gibbs is the reluctant social chairperson.  The idea for this trip 
>began two years when defense end Charles Mann asked Gibbs why the Redskins 
>team didn't get any opportunity to go abroad.  Other NFL teams got to go to 
>Japan or London over the years.

And I am beginning to question the wisdom of this trip.  The Redskins
had an exhausting trip to England, will sightsee with their wives, then
suffer more time lag while returning to Washington and then going on
to LA.  The end result will be far less practice time than would have
been the case if they'd remained in Pennsylvania.  Sounds like fun
for them, but still I worry about the lost time.

					me
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Preseason Week #4 (REPOST) - DUE FRIDAY!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:28:30 GMT

Preseason Week 4
----------------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 5pm PDT (12MID GMT (Sat)) on Friday, Aug 21.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

Do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] San Diego
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] New Orleans
[  ] [ ] Washington		[ ] LA Raiders
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Detroit
[  ] [ ] Indianapolis		[ ] Cincinnati
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] NY Jets
[  ] [ ] Tampa Bay		[ ] Miami
[  ] [ ] Green Bay		[ ] LA Rams
[  ] [ ] Denver			[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Seattle
[  ] [ ] Philadelphia		[ ] Atlanta
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] Chicago
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Cleveland
[  ] [ ] Buffalo		[ ] Kansas City

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DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!

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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings News 8/19/92
Keywords: mike tice vikings offense passing blocking
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:48:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug19.194856.17620
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Aug19.174032.365@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:

>Vikes news for Wednesday August 19, 1992

	[ ... ]

>    week.  Receivers coach Tom Moore has handled the offensive

Is this the same Tom Moore that played RB for Green Bay in the 60s?
-- 
"Take out the work 'Quayle' and insert the word 'Bush' wherever it
appears, and that's the crap I took for eight years.  Wimp.
Sycophant.  Lap dog.  Poop.  Lightweight.  Boob.  Squirrel.  Asshole.
George Bush."        -- George Herbert Walker Bush.
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From: kettler@oppy.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Stupid rules
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:43:00 GMT

In article <866mrxf@lynx.unm.edu>, jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb)         writes...
>	5) No offense gain on a fumble unless the fumbling player recovers
>	   the fumble himself. Another nifty play that added excitement and
>	   variety.
> 

You're wrong. The offense can gain on a fumble but can not gain on a fumble 
unless the person who fumbled it recovers only in the final two minutes of the 
halves. This was instituted to prevent a recurrence of the "Holy Roller" Game 
where Ken Stabler "fumbled" the ball forward in the closing seconds and 
eventually Cliff Branch recovered the ball in the end zone for the winning 
touchdown. The other player involved in this play eventually admitted that he 
deliberately batted the ball in the end zone instead of muffing a fumble 
recovery of Stabler's "fumble".

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:50:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2270
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <36994@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>My point is this. The Cowpokes won those afore-mentioned games
>despite Beuerlein at QB, bcoz, he had an excellent supporting cast.

Although I'm willing to concede the silliness of a Beuerlein for Seau
trade, we Cowboy loyalist who remember the Babe from 1990 know that the
Cowboys didn't win last year "despite" Beuerlein.  The Cowboys were 7-7
and on a roll in '90, needing just one more win to make the playoffs
probably.  Then, Aikman goes down, and here comes The Babe.  If I
remember correctly, his quarterback rating for the two games he played
in was *16.4*.  It was truly painful to watch him play.  No touchdowns,
and five or six interceptions, equals two bad losses, and no post-season.

Beuerlein did have an excellent supporting cast, but so did the Babe.
He didn't lift the team into the playoffs by himself, but he could have
very easily have knocked the Cowboys out with a poor performance.  In
fact, it was Laufenberg's terrible performance that prompted Johnson to
get another backup quarterback, for just such an emergency (which came
the next year, again).

Daniel Welch
----
"I'm a social giant!" -- Britt Baker, after three beers
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:06:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <1992Aug20.144437.2952@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>>The Detroit Lions have two other Heisman trophy winners on the team
>>besides Barry Sanders, they are Andre Ware and Chuck Long.       
>>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Chuck Long didn't win the Heisman.  In fact, when was the last time
>a Big 10 quarterback won the Heisman?????
>
>PS  I am a University of Illinois grad...this isn't a flame to the 
>    conference.....

  1991 Desmond Howard, Michigan             WR
  1975 Archie Griffin, Ohio St.             HB
  1974 Archie Griffin, Ohio St.             HB
  1955 Howard Cassady, Ohio St.             HB
  1950 Vic Janowicz, Ohio St.               HB
* 1944 Lex Horvath, Ohio St.                QB
  1941 Bruce Smith, Minnesota               HB
  1940 Tom Harmon, Michigan                 HB
  1939 Nile Kinnick, Iowa                   HB

Forgive me if I missed anybody, I am not as current on my Big Ten news,
as I should be.

Bryan
cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Rypien
Keywords: QB
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.204617.25220@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.125944.19669@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>>Hey... quick question:
>>	What happened to the rumor that Rypien was goign to the CFL? He was apparently offered a huge deal that he was going to take, but did that fall through? Being a non-Redskin fan, I am afraid I must say I hope so... 
>>
>>-- Venk Reddy --
>
>Sorry, the deal from Toronto was not as good on paper as it was in the
>media, but its unclear who's idea it was to change it.  It went from
>$6 million (can't remember how many years) to something like $1.5
>million for one year.  The idea was that Ryp would play in the CFL for
>a year hoping that there would be free agency in the NFL the next
>year.  He continues to say he'd rather play in the NFL.  The latest
>rumors are that the two sides (Ryp and the `Skins) are getting closer 
>together -- but this is very recent news and many things can happen.  
>Cooke pays well, but doesn't mess around.  He let Riggins sit out in 
>the early 80s for a year over a contract disput.  So it remains interesting 
>for us `Skins fans.
>
>schalene

Not to fear Skins fans, Ryp signed a 3 year $9million deal as of the news this
morning and will be on the plane to this weekends game in London vs the 9ers.
According to the news they said he will play in this game, sounds a little
premature to me but what do I know I'm a Phin man. C ya.

John T.
-- 
My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: rams notes
Organization: ^$
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:44:39 GMT

In article <92230.42672.6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>rams beat the raiders over the weekend.marcus dupree ran for 100
>yards in the second have.he ran thru people as well as around them.
>our defense looked pretty good also,stopping the raiders deep in
>our territory.pagel as well as the rookie rubley looked impressive
>at qb.keep up the good work "rams"
>drew
 
 How did 3rd-round pick Todd Kinchen do? What positions did he play? WR,punt-
returner? What about fellow 3rd-rounder DL Marc Boutte?
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news Ruettgers status
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:48:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <0095F455.96A23CA0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes...

>Heard on this morning's news that Ruetgerrs has agreed to a 1 year deal
>with the Packers. Terms were not disclosed.

   Player             1991  Asking   Offered  Status
-- ------------------ ----- -------  -------  ------
QB Mike Tomczak       $550K    ?        ?
WR Perry Kemp         $375K    ?        ?     signed
TE Jacke Harris       $125K    ?        ?
OT Ken Ruettgers      $750K  $1.1 M    $800K  signed
OT Reggie Singletary  $170K    ?        ?
G  Rich Moran         $675K    ?        ?     signed
DE Robert Brown       $475K    ?        ?
DE Lester Archambeau  $90K     ?        ?     signed
LB Brian Noble        $600K    ?       $650K
LB Brice Paup         $100K    ?        ?    
CB Terrell Buckley      NA   $2.3 M   $1.3 M

Didn't Paup sign?

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:09:49 GMT

aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:


>    1. With the Eagels:
>        Noonan or Cassilas + (so-so player) to get CB Eric Allen.
>        This deal could work because the Eagles want to fill J Brown's
>        position. You know why Allen is good.

As was stated before... really nice trade on the Cowboys end, but this
SUCKS for the Eagles. You dont trade a proven pro-bowl player like
Allen (89 and 91) for any one or even two players of Noonan or Casillas
calibre. I know they wouldnt trade Allen for both Noonan AND Casillas,
you are seriously overestimating thier talent compared to Allens.

The Eagles dont need another lineman that bad. Remember, they still have
Reggie ad Clyde... plus Golic and Pitts saw alot of time rotating in and
out anyway... the only real problem on the DL is depth. Yes, there has
been a drop off in talent, but not enough to warrant trading Allen for
anyone.

>    4. With the Steelers:
>        J Jones, Jeffcoat, or Tolbert + (so-so player/players) to get CB Rod
>        Woodson. This one may work because Pittsbugh's DL stinks. The problem
>        is this is another 3-4 club. If they want Cassillas or Noonan +
>        (so-so), I wouldn't mind. The last Pro Bowl was Woodson's third in a
>        row.

This is almost as bad as the Allen trade (I would say it is even more
rediculous, but I am an Eagles fan...) Rod Woodson could quite possibly
be a better corner than Allen, and the is the best defensive and special
teams player that Pittsburgh has, why on earth would they trade him for
such a pathetic return...?

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From: mndavis@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mark N. Davis)
Subject: Looking for NFL stats service
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:19:28 GMT


I'll be running a Fantasy League this season and I'm currently working
on the software to crunch the stats. Right now, the only source that I
know of for downloadable game stats is the USAToday Sports Center.
They do have all of the stats that I need, but in about 5 different files,
each of its own format. I'd much rather have all my data in one or two
files, and a much more standardized format, since I don't have that much
time left before the season starts, and I really don't want to write code
to parse all of those different file formats. For instance, the only way
that I can get interception numbers is from a cumulative season total file.
This means that for INTs only, I have to keep track of each defensive players
totals and compare them to the following weeks numbers - what a major pain!

My question is: 
Has anyone had experience with other services? Are they better than this
description (God, I hope so)? How much do they charge? How can I contact
them? Any other tips for a hard pressed programmer that's rapidly running
out of time?

                         Thanks in advance,
                             Mark

PS - Please email me the answers, as my node doesn't seem to get r.s.f.p
     that consistently, and I'd hate to miss the answers that I seek.
     My address is:  mndavis@pbhya.pacbell.com