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From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Timing belts on Honda
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:54:38 GMT

In article <2AD075ED.16870@ics.uci.edu> craigm@ics.uci.edu (Craig MacFarlane)
writes:

-I wouldn't recommend replacing a timing belt by yourself until you have
-watched somebody else do it first.  If you do not do it correctly, you
-may end up with bent valves. (Just what you were trying to avoid
-by changing it in the first place :)

I haven't changed my belt yet (90 Integra 30K) but I adjusted it and
the valves about a month ago.  Piece of cake.  You need the manual
though.  The Acura valve setup is one of the easiest to adjust I've
ever seen.  Ditto for the belt.  Unless you're a total klutz, I
recommend doing it yourself.  I know there are lots of good mechanics
out there but I simply don't trust car dealers in general.  But thats
a whole other thread.

--Terry
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From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: fogging maxima
Keywords: maxima
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:43:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

My 1988 maxima has fogging windows problem. Anybody out  there know of similar problem. This seems to be a common problem with this car. A friend of mine has a 1988 maxima with similar problem. I checked with the dealer and they told me just to turn the air conditioning on. 

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: 1993 Explorer Dealer Cost
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:03:16 GMT

Has anyone seen the deealer cost figures for the 1993 Explorer?
 
Edmunds isn't out yet. I'm looking at an XLT, PEP 941A, leather
sport buckets, towing package, 4-door, 4WD, with a high-performance
axle.
 
Any numbers would be appreciated. I heard that there was a 6% price
increase; does that apply to the basic vehicle or to the options as well?

 Greg
From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Comments on Toyo 600+4 tires?
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:25:44 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


I picked up a nail in my nearly-bald tire today, and dropped by the
closest tire place for a patch.  While I was there, I figured I'd
check their price on Yoko AVS's.

They don't carry Yokohama, but recommended Toyo, saying that Yoko makes
Toyo.  So, any comments on the Toyo 600+4 for $76/tire?  I'm looking
for decent dry weather performance - don't care about performance in
wet or snow, but I do need decent mileage out of them (>40k).  This
is for a Probe in the 195/60 HR14 size.

They also refused to patch my tire, saying it was too worn (no surprise,
I've been putting of tires for a few months now).

Any comments appreciated!   

Thanks,

--Neil

-- 
Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."
From: pierre@pogo.wv.tek.com (Pierre L. Sangan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 92 Landcruiser - Accidental Shifting
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:47:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

I have recently purchased a 92 Landcruiser and are pleased todate bar one thing.

While returning from a mountain drive coming downhill, I accidently knocked the shift lever
from drive thru neutrel and against reverse, the car stalled and we lost all power, brakes etc.

Lukily we were going slow enough for me to stop using the handbrake. I contacted Toyota Customer
Support and lodged my feelings regarding the ease of shifting without having to use the shift-lock
button.

Has anyone else had a problem like this, I told Toyota I would prefer to have to use the shift-lock
button to move from any postition.

-- 
Pierre L. Sangan                    pierre@pogo.wv.tek.con
Tektronix Inc. (GPID)
M/S 63-630, 26600 SW Parkway
Wilsonville OR 97070
From: by846@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rube Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mitsubishi Expo
Date: 27 Sep 1992 18:13:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by846@po.CWRU.Edu (Rube Goldberg)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu

Anyone have any experience with the above in regard to reliability.  My
daughter is considering buying a new model.

Thanks for any info.

-- 
       Rube Goldberg
       15403 Cobre Valley
       Houston, Texas, 77062-3510
       Phone: (713) 486-0260
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From: MJOHNSON@HARPERVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Ticket for running stop sign
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:27:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: HARPERVM.92276.142714MJOHNSON
Distribution: usa
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067

I have had a few tickets in Illinois, and it pays to go to court and plead
guilty.  If you have a 'clean' record, they will make you pay the fine and
put you on some sort of probation.  the ticket will not go on your record
unless you get a mover in the next 6 months.  Also, I have had the  judge
let me go with no fine ( He just made me play the fool in court. I played the
part, was polite).
In short, they won't penalize you more for showing up and pleading guilty.  It
may even help.
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 04:57:02 GMT
Subject: Re: What's a Toyota Carina
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:

|In article <1992Sep16.134245.5856@viewlogic.com> paulsen@mako.viewlogic.com (Bill Paulsen) writes:
|>
|>I recently saw a Toyota Carina in Europe.  I also saw the newly redesigned
|>Toyota Corola (to be in the US in '93 model year).  The Carina seemed
|>slightly bigger than a Corola, but smaller than a Camry. Does someone
|>know what the Carina is?
|
|The CARINA was sold in the US for a few years in the early or mid
|70's:  At that time it was almost identical to the Corolla, with
|different grill and tail lights (much like a Sunbird is esentially the
|same as the Cavalier, etc.)
|
|Toyota has numerous models which are not imported to the US.  For
|example, the CORONA, removed from the US market when the CAMRY entered
|is still sold in Japan, and maybe elsewhere.

Looks like TOYota sells different cars under the same label, and the same car
under different labels :-).  All in the name of marketing.

The Carina was a variant of the Corolla, it is now positioned between the 
Corolla and Cressida (the standard Cressida is aimed at junior-mid execs as an
affordable luxury car, so it is below the crown).  The corona is a slightly 
bigger bodied car than the Corolla, usually 1.6-2.2l engine (1.6 for tax
reasons only).  The camry again is a different beast, somewhat in the same
league as the Corona but with a slightly more sporty image.  This compares
with the Honda civic/concerto/integra/accord lineup.

Of course, not all models may make it to any one market.  For instance, the
camry was just introduced here.  From the US-based posts, the corona (or at
least that label) is not common there.

Over here, due to the extremely punitive taxes, the corona is sold in the 1.6l
configuration, which makes the american boat seem quick and manouevrable.
It's considered a "luxury" car, good for mom, dad and the li'l kids :-).

The carina?  not sold here anymore (pulled after the corona was introduced).

lawrence

|-- 
|Steve Morris, M.A.    : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu
|Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
|Seattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
|Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________
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From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Pontiac Fiero problems?
Keywords: Fiero, problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:43:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct5.134232.29651@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.193618.13440@cs.sfu.ca>, ammann@cs.sfu.ca (Ammann Manuel) writes:
>|> I've been offered two Pontiac Fieros.
[stuff deleted]
>|> Would be great to find out about these things
>|> before buying one. Your  help is appreciated.
>
>I had a 1984 SE and in three years I replaced 3 Alternators, a Started, a clutch,
>a transmission, and an oxigenator (sp?) (to my suprise - NON of it was covered by
>the warrantee).  I also had 3 of my body panels *snap* in low impact collisions and
>GM actually used bondo to fix one (that was the final straw).  I would highly
>recomend staying as far away from Pointiac, and Fieros as possible.  GM stopped
>selling them because they were crap, didn't hold their value (I paid $15,000 for
>mine new and it was written off at $4800 two years latter, and I was lucky as
>the street value was $3500) and so many of them were written off in low impact
>collisions (like mine) that the insurrance companies wouldn't touch them.
>
>Total, unbelievable CRAP!
>
>Don Clayton
>a.k.a. Rear-Adm. Maverick, DM of the Drow
>My brain, my thoughts, my words.
>If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),

Yep.... The Fiero is a cheap (but more expensive) take off on the Fiat/
Bertone X1/9. Not to mention that the X1/9 will outcorner and outdrive
any Fiero.... They are both similar in body style, but the X1/9 is a
targa that gets 34 mpg. I have a 1974 1/2 and it is beautiful... I 
make a hobby out of toasting Fieros.

Damon

questions? email:  damong@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Honda Civic
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:58:47 GMT



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  4 Oct 92 11:06:07 GMT

johnl@pcx.ncd.com (John Light) writes:

>In article <5294@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>>
>>Moral1: whatever you drive, learn how it handles and don't exceed the limits.
>>Moral2: If you refuse to learn moral1, buy all-wheel-drive.
>>

>Actually, Moral2 isn't so great.  AWD can provide greater limits, but when
>you exceed them, you are drifting on all four wheels at high speed.  Too
>many idiots are buying AWD and 4WD as it is.

Yah, but...the hardest thing to get used to as a rally driver of 4WD is learning
to floor it when in trouble in corners and let the traction of 4 spinning
tires to pull you out. I suppose it helps that no self respecting rally driver
would get caught sliding in the snow without some agressive tires (or 1200
steel studs in my case :-)), but 'advanced' techniques of car control
shouldn't be beyond the average guy, should they?
[Hope I can get the money for a Talon on my return to the land where people
drive on the RIGHT side of the street!]

Michael Hanslip
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au

--
Michael Hanslip
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au  -  mdh410@csc.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: '88 Camry - oil leaks & head gaskets [UPDATE]
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:54:04 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep25.155207.11289@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jab3@cec2.wustl.edu (John Alonzo Breen) writes:
> 
> Of course, now I'm worried whether the mechanic put everything back
> together right (fortunately, it's got a 1-year warranty).
> -- 
> John A. Breen                   |
> jab3@cec1.wustl.edu             | This space unintentionally left blank
-- 
That's interesting. Anytime I've ever had anything replaced on my Camry,
I've been given a lifetime warranty for as long as I own the car. Including 
brakes and muffler. 

                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: gggj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport
Subject: MORE INFO>Auto Enthusiast BBS!
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:57:20 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Announcing a BBS (Bulletin Board System) For Auto Enthusiasts.

Cars & Motorcycles, everything from racing, to design & engineering, to
info about new models, to help with old models.

It will open wednesday nite, Oct. 7.  Call with your modem at anywhere from
300 to 14,400 bps (V.32bis) 607-256-7595  24 hrs/day.  Thats starting wednesday
night.

For more info you can call Scott voice at 607-256-4217, or leave e-mail.

Thanks for tthe interest, see you there!
Scott

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: saundersb@gtephx.UUCP (Bary Saunders)
Subject: '57 Triumph for sale in Tulsa
Keywords: TR3,triumph,forsale
Organization: AG Communication Systems
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:16:20 GMT

Need to act fast! Needs to be moved by Oct 3!
No drive train!
For restoration or parts.Wire wheels and knock offs.
Best offer over $200!
-- 
Bary Saunders, AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, AZ
Comments made are my own!
UUCP: ...!{ncar!noao!enuucp | att}!gtephx!saundersb
Internet: gtephx!saundersb@enuucp.eas.asu.edu
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Expo
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:22:47 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1a4tjgINNcaf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by846@po.CWRU.Edu (Rube Goldberg) writes:
>Anyone have any experience with the above in regard to reliability.  My
>daughter is considering buying a new model.

We've had one for three weeks and are happy so far.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:50:42 GMT

-neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)writes

-enough, enough, ENOUGH!!!!!!!

-Everyone knows that this is such an opinionated topic and that each
-automotive drivetrain configuration has pros & cons. The only way to
-really decide is to try driving one of each and decide for yourself
-which one turns you on the most. Personally, I think OWD (one wheel drive)
-is the most exciting, so I'm gonna crawl back inside rec.motorcycles until
-this thread is dead here !!!! B-}

I couldn't agree more.  I throw 200 lbs of wt in my Toyota PU in the
winter.  I take the 50 series tires off my Acura and mt M/S tires or
when its really bad, I take the bus (argggg).  BUT all these are totally
boring compared to my OWD moto which pulls wheelies under acceleration
and stoppies under braking plus it leans over.  I'm also crawling back
into rec.moto for some really enlightened discussions on helmets, slick 50
and light beer. :-)

--Terry
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:37:17 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <25859@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>In rec.autos, rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:
 
>Of course, AWD blows them all out of the water,
>including 4WD. (THere is a difference between them.)

Ok I'll bite - what difference!    What do you drive a 6x6!.  A tank!

There are only three types of all terrain vehicles.  

a) Mercedes Unimogs.
b) Landrover products - preferably permanent 4 or 6 wheel drive.(or half track).
c) Useless heaps of scrap metal.

Now that should get enough heat in here to melt the snow for the rear wheel
drivers...

There are also two types of drivers for such vehicles...

a). Soft sand - that should be fun,  Snow - what joy,  Mud - yeah gimme gimme.
b). What does this lever do.  Lock the free wheeling which.  Hey I don't want 
    to get it dirty!   

Seriously,  there are too many people out there who think 4X4 on the side 
means you don't need to know anything new to drive it through poor conditions.


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: downforce and cornering g's (was which car handles the best?
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:35:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: us.1992Sep30.153510.1
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep29.212053.4615@unlinfo.unl.edu>, summ50@cse.unl.edu writes:
> jpd3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEFFERY PAUL DILLMAN) writes:
> 
>>In article <8199@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, sourlas@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Dennis Sourl
>>as) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep28.133110.20448@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dpaper@nyx.cs.du.edu (D
>>avid Paper) writes:
>>>
>>>before the F40 there was another exotic car that featured net positive
>>>downforce.  anybody remembers which one it is ?
>>>
>>>dennis / ucla /
>>>
>>  The 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C  pulled 1.2g's on the skidpad - as tested by
>>  Motor Trend Magazine in 1967.   Of course, it also did 0-60 in 4.2 sec and
>>  0-100-0 in 13.9 sec.  The Cobra was the quickest production car ever made
>>  until 1990, when a Porsche finally bet it with a 4.0 0-60 time.  Yes, this
>>  was an American-made car with rear wheel drive, not an all wheel drive
>>  system like the Porsche, nor did it use unnatural-aspiration.
> 
> 	Of course, the Porsche used a small flat-6 engine (albeit it
> 	turbo-charged) while the Cobra used a huge V-8...  
> 
> 	:)  :)  :)  :)  :)  
> 
> 
>                                                                    __
> /-----------------------------+---------------+-------------------///-------\  
> |    ___  __   ___  __   __   |               | Multitasking __  ///        |
> |   |    |  | |    |__   __|  |  Unsafe at    | my life      \\\///  Amiga  |
> |   |___ |__| |     __| |__|  |  any speed... | away !!!      \XX/   3000   |
> |-----------------------------+---------------+-----------------------------| 
> |    Eric Elliott            summ50@cse.unl.edu         GEnie: E.ELLIOTT7   |
> \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/
> 
> --
>  
Note that the earlier Cobra/Ford combination was the 260 Cobra (260ci Ford v8)
and it did 0-60 ins 3.9 seconds, according the a Sports Car Graphic mag. from
the period.  The 260 did not have the road holding, 0-100-1, nor top speed
potential of the later 427SC.  The 260 was short lived and replaced by the 289
Cobra which was a tad slower 0-60 (4.5 seconds as I remember).
-- 
Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's)
 
*** Holy ozone, Batman, what a sunburn! ***
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:58:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Sep29.225853.6463
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <5282@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>In article <13355@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>
>Rear Wheel Drive _cars_ for sale in the USA, 1992:
>
>Did I miss any this time?

Yup!  LOTS!

Volvo..
Peugeot
Rolls Royce
Viper
Nissan 240SX 300ZX
BMW - all
Mercedes - all
Jaguar
Alfa Romeo

And I'm not even going to try and pretend this list is exhaustive..

-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: apuzzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Tony Apuzzo)
Subject: Re: Comments on Toyo 600+4 tires?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.232544.16231@informix.com> neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
...
>
>They don't carry Yokohama, but recommended Toyo, saying that Yoko makes
>Toyo.  So, any comments on the Toyo 600+4 for $76/tire?  I'm looking
>for decent dry weather performance - don't care about performance in
>wet or snow, but I do need decent mileage out of them (>40k).  This
>is for a Probe in the 195/60 HR14 size.
>
...
>Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

If you are looking for dry performance, stay aways from the Toyo's.
I've had them on my Integra and they are good in rain, okay in snow and
okay on dry.  Mine wore out in 28k miles (with hard driving, rotated
every ~7000 miles, alignment is okay)

If you truly "don't care" about wet or snow performance and want a long
lasting tire, look at Michelin (sp?) MXV's.

The Yoko's (AVS-U+4) will be my next tire as they are supposedly better
in the dry, and roughly equal in wet/snow/tread life.  

Does anyone have a cheap source for the AVS's (195-60HR14)


-Tony
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pavneet@cyantic.com (Pavneet Arora)
Subject: Re: ALFA ALFASUD?
Organization: CYANTIC Systems
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 12:56:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.164214.2965@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.042028.19827@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> dlawlor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Doug Lawlor) writes:
>>Can Alfa cars be bought in Canada?  I have not heard of any dealerships.
>>Are there any?  
>
>at this point in time, it is my understanding that Canada gets the same
>cars as the US, via ARDONA (Alfa Romeo Distributors of North America.)

I am unsure about what dealerships can be found out East, but Maranello
Motors in Toronto is an authorized dealership.  They are also a 
dealer for Ferrari (but that might have been a safe guess from the
name).  Their phone number is (416) 749-5325.  I've talked to the sales
people at the Fall auto show.  Although, I know little about Alfa's I
found them friendly and just willing to chat about the cars.  Try that
with a BMW salesperson, and you are more likely to get ignored (and I
own a Bimmer).

In the past, I believe that Gentry Lane Automobiles also sold Alfa
Romeo's (phone is 416-535-9900) but I haven't seen any references to
them still doing so recently.

-- 
Cheers,
  - pavneet
.................................................................
Pavneet Arora -- pavneet@cyantic.com ------------ CYANTIC Systems
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