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From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:46:51 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
: oren@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Oren Kastner) was telling me...

:>That wasn't my point.  My point was that someone such as Avalon (and Trillian)
:>have an process running and logged into IRC 24 hrs/day.  You can't say a bot
:>wastes CPU cycles and bandwidth because more than likely a bot generates less
:>traffic than say Avalon's process!
: 
:Not really, considering when they are /away their connections don't do
:anything.  They don't make any mode changes, they don't spew out files
:or anything.  Sounds like a lot less traffic to me.

Hmmmm....wouldn't regular /notify checks use CPU cycles, and isn't there
a little effort required by the /away person's host machine to "display"
incoming messages, or sever messages (if usermode is +s)?  I really doubt
that many of the bots out there are usermode +s, or have /notify files
(but I could be wrong...), while many of the /away real people are/do....

: Granted this might be a bad exmaple, but I would rather listen to a real
: person talk than a robot's limited capacity.

*shrug* Dunno about that....there are many folks on IRC for whom it is safe
for me to say, I'd rather listen to a bot than them.  Sometimes I can't help
but wonder if an IRCbot's IQ is higer than a net.geek's.  (1/2 of a :-)

: Channel opping robots do channel ops a lot more than avalon is bound to do
: /whois's on you.  File spewing robots dump lots more text
: than avalon is bound to generate.

In that case, I'd say that those bots have a better reason than avalon to
be on the net.  They are actually doing something.  :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Organization: Doug's House of Disco
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:32:29 GMT
X-Posted-From: dopey.cc.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <14jbacINNop8@network.ucsd.edu> irc@weber.ucsd.edu (WEBER:IRC) writes:

>Now, can we say " hyprocrite " ?

Now, can we spell it ? ;>


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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: spencer@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (D. E. Spencer CSD)
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Summary: Yes!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: global
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:36:25 GMT
Expires: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:00:00 GMT

>
>This sort of thing does not do the IRC net much good, flooding will reduce the
>performance for ALL users.
>IMHO any admin who allows this (or in fact causes it) should cease to be an
>admin.
>
>Conclusion someone should be booted off IRC, preferably for good!
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Here Here!!!! give this man a hand!!

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Jul27.100632.2332@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
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	<Bs61Mp.A9z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:12:56 GMT

SW> == StarWatcher  <StarWatcher@uiuc.edu> 

 SW> Is it my imagination, or are faked userid@host's becoming more
 SW> common on IRC.  And, am I alone in finding them d*mned annoying?

No, and no, which is why some servers have a "no faked user@hosts"
policy, and why the ident support was added to the server code in the
first place...
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From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:13:31 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) was telling me...
>
>Not difficult at all ...
>My bot Tubster does this.  He has a list of #hottub regulars, with an access
>level for each.  The lowest access level can get invited, the next can have
>bans removed that affect them, the next will be opped if they aren't already.
>The next access level, for the more trusted regulars, can have the bot leave,
>can have all bans removed, and can have the channel unlocked (if it gets locked

easily implimented is a level of poeple you don't like too...

<grin>

>Oh ... he's written entirely in IRCII scripts.  And he doesn't use any huge
>amount of CPU time (about 3% of the CPU on this Sun Sparcstation.)

Ewww!  You could rewrite it you know. 

>Elitist?  perhaps, but I really don't think so.  I usually will add new people
>to the list if they ask, unless I know them to be troublemakers.  The access

Know of any other robots that will do that?  There are very few.

>I wrote this bot in an attempt to reduce the number of bots that were doing
>auto-ops on the channel, and I like to think I have succeeded.  It was getting
>quite out of hand when a person would join the channel and immediately get
>opped by eight bots. (and I'm NOT exaggerating ...)a

So were these other robots useful?  Doesn't sound like it.

-ALex

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU (Troy Rollo)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:28:37 GMT

From article <Bs0txr.H16@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher):
> the past, but not all of them are that bad.  Take channel #bondage,
> for example, which seems to draw more than it's fair share of drooling
> net.geeks wanting to get a glimpse at the perverts.  The channel bot

Gee, I wonder why.
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:59:24 GMT

ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

>Darkman> == Darkman  <dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> 

> Darkman> Easy.  Bots should never function of nicks,

>True; nicks are not an identifier, just a temporary tag at best.

> Darkman> use user@host, very reliable against all but those who know
> Darkman> how to fake logins.

>Well, gee, security through (not-very) obscurity... login faking is
>trivial under most conditions (unless your server is set up to check
>with identd, *and* your machine is running an identd, *and* you don't
>switch servers to one that doesn't check with identd...)

>This is also assuming that a server hasn't been compromised, which
>allows you to fake both user and host (just ask BIFF@BIT.NET, who was
>registered with NickServ for a while :-).

I assume there aren't too many out there who can fake a host, I agree that
faking a login is trivial.  So, if you truly are paranoid just incorporate
a password for each person to be oped on arrival.  That would virtually
guarentee a secure channel.

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:39:52 GMT

jason@coombs.anu.edu.au (jason..) writes:

[...]
>er just a small note here. it is conceivable you can get the client ..figure out how to uncompress and untar it , type in make .. and get a client ..(finding it might take u a little while if you really are that green :)..about the only 
>thing i can think of that you might have to set is the default server..
>but you would get a usable client ..

>try doing that with ircd and you probably find it cant find your ircd.conf..
>that is if you knew what it was etc..

>id say there is a big difference between getting the client working and the 
>server.. totally out of context to this argument of course.. but i wanted to
>point it out :)

That is why there is a file called "doc/INSTALL" and various other files
in the doc directory.  They're not there to look pretty and give good
impressions.  People who dont read files called README or other obvious
names like INSTALL are asking for trouble.

I'm not sure how ircii goes, but I've got the server to a point where 1
#define for ultrix/aix/dynix/sunos/irix gets a clean compile run.

Now if only hpukes erh hpux was as nice :)

av
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
In-reply-to: irc@weber.ucsd.edu's message of 22 Jul 1992 19:14:34 GMT
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<14kc2qINN9of@network.ucsd.edu>
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:52:08


>>>>> On 22 Jul 1992 19:14:34 GMT, irc@weber.ucsd.edu (WEBER:IRC) said:
>>Somehow I think only americans can act like that. 
>>-Heikki
> Maybe they have some pride in their country. Do you think something
> is wrong with that? 

There is something seriously wrong if that "pride" means you can't tell
negative things about their country.

> Somehow I think only you damn Finns have nothing better to do than going 
> around bashing other ethnics. 

Well, if you have read alt.irc lately you should have noticed people
from other countries (at least Germany and Norway ) have done it too. Besides
I don't really bash other ethnics, I only pointed out that only USA is
capable of producing some individuals who act like that.

-Heikki

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Top 50 Killers (12/7/92-19/7/92)
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:16:50 GMT

mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:

>In article <CKD.92Jul22110054@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>>Ove> == Ove Ruben R Olsen <buboo@alf.uib.no> 
>>
>> Ove> Is this client using select () ; or fork () ; ?
>>
>>select().  The problems were in the screen interface handling code; on
>>one occasion, the word-wrap module went insane and started sending
>>output to the terminal as fast as it could.  Since it was on a local
>>xterm process rather than a "real terminal", that was pretty fast.
>>(Unfortunately so fast that the window manager was getting cycle-starved
>>from all the updates the X server was trying to deal with.)
>>
>>Note to implementors: be very careful how you do word-wrap :)
>>
>>--
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>>   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
>>  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
>>         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155

>I have been reading this newsgroup for some time now, and in fact tried
>IRC only after I saw this newsgroup! But articles like the one stated
>above continue to befuddle me. I am still learning (and would like to
>learn more)...... There seems to be an elite group of hackers (IRC ops?)
>who know the very inner details of the workings of IRC (like ping times,
>routing, hubs, and stuff like in the article above). Could any of you
>"gurus" please enlighten me, and perhaps suggest a book where I could
>learn more of IRC, routers, etc. I can program in C, Pascal, etc. 

>Thank You!

Since the manual is rather brief, RTFS.
Thats how to learn the inner details of the IRC programs.
The reast of the knowledge on routing, etc, comes from being
'net-aware' (having maps of networks, knowing where you are
in relation to everyone else, what is good/fast, what is slow/bad,
etc).

Both take time.

avalon
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:53:09 GMT
Organization: Aston University

dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
: Well, I've been on IRC much of today, and I've been flooded almost continously,
: (It seemed to stop about 8:00 pm, but was going strong since 2:00 pm ...),
: by bots from santafe.edu ... the same type of flood.  I mentioned it to a
: few #tz regulars, and one of them asked this user about it ... his response?
: "demon is a jerk" ... then he went on to brag about how his bots were connected

Taken from the login banner of the irc service.
 
                         Welcome to irc.santafe.edu!
 
   Because people have been abusing this service, and the administration at
   the Santa Fe Institute has been receiving complaints, there is now a
   fixed maximum number of connections allowed as well as required
   registration.  In order to use this service, it is necessary to register
   with a valid E-Mail address.  (More information will follow).

looking at your log (someone really likes those control G's) the host name
of the offending bot changes from laguna.santafe.edu to santafe.santafe.edu
part way through. (then to sanjaun.santafe.edu)
Also scott (scott@sfi.santafe.edu) joins part way through and leaves quickly
(even if he has nothing to do with these bots, surely it is his job to do
something about them k-lineing springs to mind!!)

The syntax of the ban command is MODE <channel> +b <nick>!<user>@<host>
It took quite a time for someone to get the correct syntax.
Then what the person comes back from another site apple-gunkies.gnu.irc.mit.edu
now people realise what is happening.
Then from rever.nmsu.edu (how many machines does this twit have accounts on,
and are they legit?)
They then start appearing again from santafe.santafe.edu., didn't see anyone
remove the ban, so either something has been hacked, or there is still 
a 2.6 server out there somewhere which allows anyone to connect!


This sort of thing does not do the IRC net much good, flooding will reduce the
performance for ALL users.
IMHO any admin who allows this (or in fact causes it) should cease to be an
admin.

Conclusion someone should be booted off IRC, preferably for good!
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: wright@horsa.cs.odu.edu (GENTLEMAN)
Subject: Re: A bunch of prejudiced people.
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
	<14jbacINNop8@network.ucsd.edu>
	<1992Jul22.181334.5362@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Jul22.203330.22715@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <BrtCpp.C9J@cs.dal.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:10:28 GMT

In article <BrtCpp.C9J@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve "edified" Franklin) writes:

     You're kidding yourself if you think this is a prejudiced scenario we
   are witnessing. This is blatant immaturity my friend. Something that IRC
   is renowned for. Many are guilty of it, but only the geeks find it difficult
   to leave immaturity behind when they're not playing. Clearly some 
   individuals you encounter (many?) on IRC are less mature than you
   might think but see IRC as a way to act like "who they should have been"
   rather than "what they really are". Silly people who think they are
   superheros and stuff 8)

   steve
      SUPERMAN!


HE speeks words of wisdom once again.

STEVE FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!  STEVE FOR PRESIDENT!!!

He can make a difference!  :)

THOR
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: ngmitche@mtu.edu (SuperNate I am!)
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: planetary
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:21:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: melab9.me.mtu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I read through that entire disgusting debacle of a LAMER changing userids
rapidly and having dopes try to ban him on the basis of a *!userid@host that
changed every 5 seconds.  One patern remained constant throughout this
jerk's entire episode of net.diahhrea.  That is that he had the character \
in his useless gibberish nick.

I reccommend that if you don't want to see chronic assholes like him on 
any channel that is frequented by a number of users, simply make sure that
the mode on that channel is always +b *\*!*@*.  Pretty simple huh?

I think this is a case for justification for this dork getting in a LOT of K:
lines.

This from the guy who sometimes runs as many as 99 NateBots at once for up
to 2 minutes.  Really BRAINDEAD bots too... they just sit there.  They do,
however respond favorably to "die fuckers" on the channel. :)

Nate
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:44:51 GMT

Charles Hannum writes:
>
>Markus Stumpf writes:
>>
>> And maybe it's because most of them think US is the best and US rules
>> the world and [...]
>
>Fuck off.  Take your national bigotry elsewhere.

#Partial Flame Not Directed to anyone particulair.

How can YOU know how we in Europe feel ? You can't. YOU are not present
here at the moment. Everything Maex wrote is true.

How is it that most (I'm not saying ALL, just most) American that speak
in public is _SO_ proud, and blind, about their country. BUT the same
people like to bash on other countries ?

Does Fish (Pink coloured), Appels (with disease), whales and the Atomic Bomb
rings any bells ?
Nay, I don't think so, YOU are always right, aren't you. Of course you are.
You are the inhabitants of The Country Choosen by God, and Protected by God.

Pathetic and Lame.

\Ruben.


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From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Date: 30 Jul 1992 00:01:37 GMT
Organization: University of California at San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) wrote :
>I'd advise calling his boss
>on the phone and explaining exactly what he does. The logfile should
>be sufficient proof.

And while you're at it, call his Mum and tell her what a bad boy her 
son is and that since you can't handle the guy yourself, perhaps his 
Mum can.  If his Mum won't do anything .. call the cops! Take it all 
the way to the Supreme Court if you have to, I say! 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Top 50 Killers (12/7/92-19/7/92)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Jul22.063803.19673@alf.uib.no>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:03:05 GMT

Ove> == Ove Ruben R Olsen <buboo@alf.uib.no> 

 Ove> Is this client using select () ; or fork () ; ?

select().  The problems were in the screen interface handling code; on
one occasion, the word-wrap module went insane and started sending
output to the terminal as fast as it could.  Since it was on a local
xterm process rather than a "real terminal", that was pretty fast.
(Unfortunately so fast that the window manager was getting cycle-starved
from all the updates the X server was trying to deal with.)

Note to implementors: be very careful how you do word-wrap :)

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  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:21:23 GMT

In article <157bh1INNegp@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:
>gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) wrote :
>>I'd advise calling his boss
>>on the phone and explaining exactly what he does. The logfile should
>>be sufficient proof.
>
>And while you're at it, call his Mum and tell her what a bad boy her 
>son is and that since you can't handle the guy yourself, perhaps his 
>Mum can.  If his Mum won't do anything .. call the cops! Take it all 
>the way to the Supreme Court if you have to, I say! 

yeah!! mummie, someone kicked me off IRC.. wahhhhhhhhh. ah boy..
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