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From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: tactile monitor
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY

Index Number: 21135

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

TO: stefanis@ecst.csuchico.edu

 > I think that I have seen this product on Computer Cronicles (PBS TV
 > show) It was a few years ago. I liked the idea then and I like it
 > now, but make sure that you do a patent search so you don't step on
 > any toes. If there is no patent on it, make sure that you get one.

I wish you could have given us more information on this thing.  Is
it a pin-for-pixel monitoring scheme, in which case it would have
to be huge and hugely expensive.  Is it Braille on a 24 lines-by-80
columns display? Again, huge in size and expense--those dots aren't
cheap, they have to be dipped in a corrosion-retardant chemical
(usually gold-based--I saw bimorph-dipping being done at TSI).

 > This monitor could free lots of people from that damn Opticon
 > device that is so expencive.

The Optacon is fairly cheap for what it does--about three thousand
dollars. You cannot tell me seriously that a tactile monitor of any
size would be any cheaper.  But I'd still love to hear more about
it.

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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From: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: NLS in Northern California
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:28:27 GMT
Reply-To: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 20961

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Does anyone in any other state have trouble working with their NLS
branch?

Of *course* you do.

But I've never had less assistance than I've gotten from the folks in
the library in Sacramento, CA.

Used to be, in Texas, and even in Mass, while I was there, and in
Oklahoma, I could call up and they'd do subject searches for me and send
me a list of what they found and/or read it to me over the phone. They
would also happily look up what books they had by a particular author,
that I might order only the ones I had not yet read and/or that I
*wanted* to read.  They would do this anytime from 8:00 until 5:30pm.

I cannot get the folks out here to run any such searches or assist me in
any way unless I a. have the book numbers already or b. let them just
mail me things after they've done a search on the subject I give them.

I can't get 'em to do even that after 3:00pm. (their computers, they
say, go down then. How useful!)

I wanted a complete bibliography of their holdings on a particular
subject. Some of the books, I might want to read. Others I have already
read (through them, through RFB or back when I was still reading print.)
Others, I will know upon hearing the title or author, are not of
interest to me. But they will only mail me whatever books they happen to
find on the topic.  They don't even garantee they'll mail me everything
on the subject: just that they'll "send me some books on that." If I
receive them and have already read them or don't want to read them, I'll
just have to put 'em back in the  mail and wait until something comes
along that I actually *want*.

I find this insanely frustrating. I would rather select the books I
read, the order I read them in and so forth. I would rather *not* do
this by scouring through every Talking Book Topics magazine (where the
books are not listed in any useful order or via any useful
categorizaiton scheme...) for the past umpteen years to see what they
might have on a subject!

How freakin' infuriating.

<arrrg>

The only thing I've ever found that would make me wish I lived in Texas
again, that's for sure.

thank you. I needed that little rant.

Were my situations in Texas, Oklahoma and Boston just utterly unique, or
is the Sacramento library atypically unhelpful?  Is there anything at
all I can do about this? (I've tried getting other people to help me;
asking to have my files transfered to another personthere, etc-- and all
of them spout the same rules at me as though I'm an absolute pain in the
arse for even *wanting* them to act like a library...)

All advice appreciated.

                                                 --Carla

... Read what I mean, not what I write!

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From: Steve.Smith@f102.n3815.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Pain Vs. Perspiration
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:02:40 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Smith@f102.n3815.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3815/102 - The Bat Cave BBS!!, Bartlesville OK

Index Number: 20866

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

Hello Ambrose,

>I just returned to Urocare bags after a couple of years.  Cost?  $64.76 thats
>without fancy attachments, or velcro straps--$25.50.  By God, anything that's
>got to do with medical supplies in Canada, seems outrageously over-priced.

It does seem a bit higher priced in Canada than here. About 20 to 30
dollars more for the bags and about 10 to 15 more for the straps. But
then, you could always use the straps that come with the bag. I don't
use the straps that come with the bag cuase, their thin and I think
would cut off circulation. I pay around 15 or 16 dollars for the velcro
straps and think they are worth it. They last 2 to 3 years and they are
machine washable. When the elastic starts wearing out after about a
year, just cut a piece off and then sew it back together. You don't have
to be a professional seamstress for that. It's not like it's a shirt or
something that everyone would see.

Just Another Okie

Steve

 * OLX 2.2 * I Like That Old Time ROCK "N" ROLL

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From: Ann.Lemke@f9.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Lemke)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: depression
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Lemke@f9.n381.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/9 - Sky's The Limit BBS, El Paso TX

Index Number: 21106

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hello Jeanne,
First, let me say that I hope that you've shared with your friend that
you're looking for help/advice.  It seems that help for his depression
is the first critical need, and while blindness is a significant factor,
it is not the only factor.  He needs professional psychological and
possibly medical assistance.
As for the jobs he can or might be able to do, it seems that all of this
is cyclical; he can't get a good job if he's depressed and lacks a
college education, but he can't complete his education if he's so
depressed.  In any case, he may need to take one step back to move
forward.  I mean that he may need to realistically assess the impact of
his disability.  What he needs is good, solid work experience on which
to build.  I mean, he can't dictate too much about what he would or
wouldn't do as far as a job until he has proven that he can manaow that
sounds harsh, but I am sure there are many of us who have our rejection
and failure stories (me included) but we just have to keep going.
Recovery from depression can be a slow, painstaking process.  I'd advise
some kind of support group for you and, yes, for him, if he''d agree.
He needs consistent, caring professional help as well as a network of
resources which he can learn to use to maintain his progress, should he
start functioning better.
I believe that for some endocrinological reasons, blind persons may be
more at risk for depression than is generally supposed.  Depression is a
terrible, draining illness.  The person can be really suffering and just
appear to be not wanting to try to help themselves, so keep trying,
because the road isn't an easy one.
Best wishes,
Ann

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From: Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Hill)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: To tell, or not to tell...
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/4115.233 - Southern Crossroads, Grapevine TX

Index Number: 21166

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DB> To tell, or not to tell....or more accurately...when to tell or
 DB> when not to tell, that is the question.

 DB> O.K. fellow Blink Talkians, I would like some feed-back as to whether, or
 DB> more like, when I sshould tell prospective clients that I
 DB> am blind.  Here is
 DB> what I am pursuing at the moment. <smile>
 DB> I have been working on a plan to mail outt post cards to local businesses
 DB> advertising my services to do computer training, specifically I am going
 DB> after Word Perfect business as my feeling is that a greater percentage of
 DB> businesses use it, and most of the people (well, maybe not most) don't
 DB> really know even how to do things like mail merging that
 DB> would be so helpful
 DB> to them.

I'd think it would depend on how you want to rig it.  If you plan
on going into their office with your own external synthesizer,
hooking it up, and getting down to business, it might be easier to
show than to tell.  If you need to make lots of arrangements in
person, before hand, you might mention it (if it wasn't already
obvious), at the beginning of the meeting.  I don't know if I'd
include my own problems over the phone :-)  I've never tried
anything like this, but that's my feeling on it.

 Good Luck!

 Chris

... its only a hobby, only a hobby, only...

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From: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: depression
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:17:30 GMT
Reply-To: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/207 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY

Index Number: 21093

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

The issue here is not what jobs can be done, but rather what
he can do.  The best advice you can give your friend is to
seek professional help.  Depression is an insidious thing, but
certainly treatable.  An evaluation to determine the need for
counseling and medication would be the biggest favoe you can
do for your friend.  Even if he rejects that, it's important
that you not allow him to take you down with him.  As a
vocational counselor, I have come to realize the importance of
self-confidence.  It's tough enough to find a job, when you
had disability to the mix, it becomes much more difficult.
I'm glad you posted here; we should never get that technical
in order to provide assistance, such as the kind that you are
requesting!  Good luck.  Best Regards, Les

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From: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Saus)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Drug companies
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:55:27 GMT
Reply-To: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:376/72.160 - Windows of the Worl, Columbia SC

Index Number: 20844

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

> I sure wish somebody would find a way where we patients
> don't have to get charged the high prices for their
> experiments for the rest of our lives, though.  Sheez,
> Flexaril yesterday for 90 tablets cost me almost $50.00!
> Since it's working with the spasms and cramps, though, I
> gotta take it.

Linda, as I said before (although in general terms referring to all
drugs) you can expect the price of Flexaril to decrease soon after
the patent expires.  Although I don't know the exact date, it
shouldn't be more that another few years.  Motrin is a good example
of this... when it first became available on the market, it was an
expensive drug.  Now that the patent has expired and there are many
companies making generic equivalents, the cost to the pharmacy is
only a few pennies per tablet.

So, don't worry that prices for this drug will be high for the rest
of our lives.  What you are complaining about however is the costs
associated with government regulations which interfere with the
free enterprise system that supposedly is the foundation of our
markets in this country.

Actually for your Flexaril though, you are only talking about a
cost of 55 cents per tablet even now.  Considering the tremendous
expenditure it takes to develop this drug, manufacture it, promote
it, and get it to market, this doesn't seem like a high price, but
I agree with you that it would certainly be much nicer for all of
us if the price could somehow be even much lower.

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From: Angelo.Morris@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Angelo Morris)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Ham Radio Schematics
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:59:07 GMT
Reply-To: Angelo.Morris@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA

Index Number: 20993

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 NF> A friend of mine is studying for his Tech license and needs to
 NF> know where he can find braille schematics.  Can anyone help?
Hi Nancy,
Your friend won't need any, because thenew tests for the Blind have no diagrams.
If you need them The Hadly school has some.
You can also contact Handi-Hams
Their address is:
Courage Handi-Ham System
3915 Golden Valley Rd.
Golden Valley, MN 55422

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From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA

Index Number: 21114

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi,

I know that with Toby, obediance sessions most definitely affect
the way he works.

Without regular obediance, Toby will work just fine and just about
always do what he is supposed to do. However, he will tend to be
more reactive to doggie distractions and more interested in meeting
other humans while out and around in the world.

When we do regular obediance sesssions, Toby becomes much less
interested in doggie distractions and seems to do his work with a
more deliberate seriousness. Corrections for any reason become
almost unnecessary.

Toby really loves his harness and going out to work and I have'nt
found that an increase in obediance takes any of the fun out of his
work. So, I do obediance two to three times a week with an
occassional miss. But I Have always found that increasing
obedicance will get Tobys mind back on his work should he become
too interested in other doggies.

Ray, from Guide Dogs, told me that they know most students won't
keep up with regular daily obediance but hope that will do our
sessions at least two or three times per week.

During illness, I once did'nt bother with obediance for three
weeks. Toby worked just fine. However, going back to obediance, I
found that we worked together even more impressively.

I like dialy obediance. Toby does too,every night he says, "whip
me, beat me, make me write back checks!":

Keepin' the faith!

.                           Vixen

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From: Linda.Cummings@f34.n375.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Cummings)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Drug companies
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:52:26 GMT
Reply-To: Linda.Cummings@f34.n375.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:375/34 - Batteries Included , Montgomery AL

Index Number: 20836

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

In a message to Arthur Saus:

 >  Drug companies not only recoup what they lay out but sell at a
 >  considerable markup. Labor is done dirt cheap in places such as
 >  Puerto Rico where all kinds of taxes can be avoided. This is currently
 > being investigated.

I sure wish somebody would find a way where we patients don't have
to get charged the high prices for their experiments for the rest
of our lives, though.  Sheez, Flexaril yesterday for 90 tablets
cost me almost $50.00!  Since it's working with the spasms and
cramps, though, I gotta take it.

Linda

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From: gcampbel@ecst.csuchico.edu (Gary Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Anybody who is deaf-blind
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:02:07 GMT
Reply-To: gcampbel@ecst.csuchico.edu (Gary Campbell)
Organization: California State University, Chico
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 21197

I didn't get in on the start of this thread, but Gail Sabonitis
(spelling almost certainly butchered!)  is deaf-blind, uses a computer
(with morse code output I think) and has her Extra class ham license.
This information comes from things I've read over the years that I can't
put my finger on right now.  I believe it is common for deaf-blind
people to be taught language skills.  I don't know much in the way of
details.

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From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Nls Tb Developments T
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:34:34 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY

Index Number: 20945

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > work pretty well on the bus or el.
 > I just tend to like to catch up on my reading when I travel and so I
 > tend to do that the most when I go out.
 > Incidentally, will I have to stop thatwhen I get my dog?  Can you
 > give
 > me some guidelines?

The only time it's a poor idea to walk around with things in your
ears is when you are--well--walking around.  When you're sitting on
a conveyance of some kind, there's nothing to say you can't fill
your ears with other than the sound of that conveyance, howsoever,
be thee warned that sometimes one gets too much into the groove, as
it were, and loses touch with reality as it were, which is a nice
way of saying, while you're boogie-ing down, your doggie just might
be doing the same thing or worse!!!  Let me put it to you this
way:  Do whatever they tell you while you're in training; when you
get home, do what you feel is safe.

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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From: Wayne.Silsbee@p1.f222.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Silsbee)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Deaf Culture
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:56:09 GMT
Reply-To: Wayne.Silsbee@p1.f222.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/222.1 - N.W. Family History, Oregon City OR

Index Number: 21047

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

In article <20722@handicap.news> hayes@godzilla.cis.ohio-state.edu
(Patrick Hayes) writes:

> ASL is very structured. This argument seems to be decended from the old
> one that ASL doesn't have a grammar which is simply false. The problem is
> that the grammatical structure of ASL is so different from that of spoken
> languages that it looks like it's from Mars. And, being a fairly new area
> of study, there is still a lot of research and debate about some aspects
> of ASL's grammar.If you're trying to analyze it in terms of grammars
> developed for spoken languages it is going to look unstructured.

Okay. I'll accept this analysis. It *looks* unstructured. From my
original argument, this changes nothing. It still *causes* the
shortening and "de-structuralizing" of English when English is
signed.

Right? Wrong?

Wayne

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From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Ada And Money Printing
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA

Index Number: 21120

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Darrell!

In my opinion, there aren't enough of us to make Brailling money
worthwhile.  IMHO the expense of retooling etc (assuming we could come
up with the technology) isn't worth it.  Electronics to identify bills
would, in the long run, be cheaper.  Besides, what's to prevent someone
putting extra Braille on the bills to make the denominations larger
<grin>?

-Mike <K7UIJ>-
... ** Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. **
___
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From: Bill.Reif@f12.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Reif)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:10:31 GMT
Reply-To: Bill.Reif@f12.n233.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:233/12 - The Temples of Syri, Springfield IL

Index Number: 21124

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

     In a message of <3-26-92>, to Legal Eagle, (actually Bill Reif as
explained elsewhere) Dan Kysor writes: Dan

DK> i am sure there are some like yourself who feel obedience
DK> is unnecessary but most the major guide dog schools insist
DK> upon obedience and for good reason.
DK> if your dog feels it's punishment, its the way your your
DK> conducting obedience. obedience should be positive and
DK> relaxing but re enforcing the idea that "your" in command.
DK> of course, i am not one to do obedience with my dog
DK> everyday but about 3 or 4 times per week but i don't buy no
DK> obedience and i believe your school holds to this as well.

     I believe that my dog had some bad experience or associations with
obedience training prior to my receiving him from the school.  My message
did not state that obedience training is not necessary; and I did
everything humanly possible to keep it relaxed, and to praise him for a
job well-done.  I'm not sure whether he thought he was being punished
unfairly or merely resented the fact that I, and not his trainer, was
administering the training.  He would sit, lie down, or come immediately
on command as though my words activated an electronic switch; but he
would initiate some act of aggression or defiance upon conclusion of the
training.  The discipline certain to follow his snatching my cassette
envelope or grabbing my arm would evoke anger or fear; and another
attempt at obedience would produce the same.  I found I could perform
obedience exercises by changing the order in which they were performed,
performing them without the leash on, or doing something he would not
associate with the regimented exercise.  (I eventually moved back to the
structured exercises without this response.)  My dog also accepted
necessary corrections on rout cheerfully, happy to correct his mistake
and never challenging my authority to have disciplined.

     My purpose in bringing all this up was not to challenge the
legitimacy of obedience training.  My purpose in discussing this is to
demonstrate the necessity to evaluate the effects of what you're doing
with your dog and to combine your own training with understanding and
flexability.

___
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From: Darrell.Shandrow@f59.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Darrell Shandrow)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Ada And Money Printing
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: Darrell.Shandrow@f59.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/59 - Bob's Place, Mesa AZ

Index Number: 20892

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I feel that it should be required that new paper bills have a
braille indication as to their denomination.  73

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