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From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: Sony Beta
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 24 Jul 1992 14:44 EST  

In article <1992Jul24.094525.3397@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes...
>In article <1992Jul24.065523.1542@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>, mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>> Even if the ED-Beta format is 500 lines, SHB-Beta Is should give you
>> a comparable picture... (That is Super Hi-Band Beta ONE)
> 
>What is difference between Beta, SuperBeta, and ED-Beta?
The diffence is "equivalent" to the improvements made in VHS (VHS, HQ, and 
S-VHS), except that resolution and S/N were increased.  Each generation of 
Beta included a shift in the carrier frequency and, in the case of ED-Beta, 
a widening of the luminence spectrum to 2.5Mhz from 1.2MHz of Beta & Super-
Beta.  (VHS and HQ have a deviation of 1MHz in their luminence spectra and 
S-VHS has a 1.5MHz deviation and a different carrier frequency.)  SuperBeta 1
shb (i.e., super hi-band) shifted the carrier frequency even higher than 
standard SuperBeta so that it's peak occurs at 6MHz--giving aproximately 330 
lines of horizontal resolution.  

Note that ED-Beta peaks at 9.3MHz and has a measurable bandwidth of more 
than 6MHz (see video review circa 1988 for their review of "The Ultimate 
VCR".)

Now if only people would have been as curious 5years ago when the demise of 
Beta was greatly exaggerated.....

Greg
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Bottom line on SVHS vs. VHS
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <64554@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6363a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Hoang) writes:
<
<I am new to this newsgroup, and the following questions may be naive,
<but here goes anyway...
<
<1.  Will recording an NTSC program on a SVHS tape on a SVHS machine yield 
<a better picture (resolution) than a VHS tape on a VHS machine? 
<If so, is it worth the extra $$$ (not counting the need for a monitor w/ 
<S-video input)?

Yes, much better picture.

<2.  What are the major difference(s) between VHS and SVHS tapes?  

A much higher quality grade tape, with finer oxide layer, to handle the
higher frequency response.

<3.  Can you fool the SVHS machine by inserting a VHS tape (with a hole 
<drilled somewhere on the shell???) and make it think it's a SVHS tape?
<What about the resultant picture quality?  

While it can be fooled, some have said they have gotten good results.  But
you need the highest grade VHS tape.  With S-VHS tape going for less than
$9 in case lots, it isn't work it.

I've done it and I think the quality sucks.
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From: freedmanm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Experience with Mitsubishi U54?
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.154840.8882@athena.mit.edu>, warsaw@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Maung) writes:
> Hello there!
> 
> 	I recently got a Sony 595HF VCR I have been receving cable
> TV through it since my TV doesn't give stereo sound.  I've found
> that the picture quality I receive through the VCR is far inferior
> to that I receive directly through my TV.  I have used a 585HF 
> VCR at home and it had similar picture quality.  I am just wondering
> if anyone else has had the same problem.  Also, can anyone compare
> the sound and picture quality of Mitsubishi VCRs with those of 
> the Sony VCRs?  I am interested in the U54 in particular.  
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Daniel Maung
> warsaw@athena.mit.edu


Well, I have owned a Sony, a JVC and Two Mitsubishis and Mits win hands down...
I believe that the U54 has flying erase heads, also they have Vidoe
enhancement, digital tracking(automatic) and the fastest most reliable
transport on the market... I.E.  Rewinds a 6hr in tape in 90 seconds...
						Mike. 
Xref: sparky rec.video:9705 rec.video.satellite:3838 rec.video.production:1183
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.satellite,rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Compression artifacts in NBC Olympic coverage
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:58:05 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <33712@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes:
<brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<><There's no question about it:  there are block artifacts in the
<><regions where a fast-moving object occludes or reveals the background.
<><For example, NBC showed the compulsory floor exercise of Maria
<><Neculita (Romania) at around 5:30pm EDT.  Look at the first tumbling
<><run, in which Neculita's legs flash past the audience.
<
<>You are forgetting something very important.  All of the video images are shot
<>using PAL equipment.
<>
<>You are seeing the problem with the newer motion-artifact PAL -> NTSC standards
<>converter.  These are the same standards converters that were used during the
<>winter Olympics.  I noticed problems back then.
<
<	Sorry, wrong, it is NOT caused by PAL-NTSC conversion (that's done
<merely by repeating every 5th frame or so to change 50Hz->60Hz, and resampling
<the lines vertically to go from ~625 to 525 (per two fields - or maybe the
<drop every 5th line).

I'm afraid that is not true, regarding the PAL -> NTSC converters.  The units
that are being used are new technology, designed to get away from the motion
jerkiness of fifth frame repeat, which (BTW) is not exactly how pro-units do
conversion.  There was an article in TV Technology back before the winter
Olympics discussing the new standards converters and how motion was to be
detected and new math used to smooth the flow of the converted image.  It
may very well be that these same features that are used  HD-MAC are used in
these standards converters.

No where in the articles discussion equipment for the Olympics games was
HDTV (which has a different aspect ratio) or HD-MAC discussed.  If you watch the
games, which you have been, you will notice that the hand-held cameras, of which
there are many, sure look like regular PAL cameras.  The articles said that
all of NBC was PAL.

Also, the special slo-mo camera/VTR technology is PAL.  Also a poster from
Aussie land said that his PAL reception had NO motion artifact problems.

I still blame it on the standards converters.
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From: bobali@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: How do I join the Columbia LD Club in Canada?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:27:47 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Could someone please send me some info on how to join the Columbia LD Club in
Canada?

Is there an address I can write to to start a membership.  I just got a LD
player and am anxious to get started!

Send replies to TOMINATR@AC.DAL.CA

Thanks,

         - Bob A.
From: lapena@athena.cs.uga.edu (Dances With Wulf)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Macintosh video frame grabber
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:15:31 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens



In the Aug. 1990 issue of Radio Electronics, there is a simple video
frame grabber for the PC. Does anyone know if there is a similar animal
for the Macintosh? If not, I am looking for someone knowledgeable or
is very much willing to learn about Mac hardware to correspond with on
building one. I'm not looking to make a high-quality desktop video
board, just something simple to learn about the Mac hardware and bus.

Please respond by e-mail since I am not able to check this newsgroup often.

thanks

-chito
lapena@athena.cs.uga.edu


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From: palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer)
Subject: Re: Sony Control L (or is it S?) Specifications
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:10:36 GMT

Now that I got your attention :-)  (sorry about the blank message, I
don't know what happened).  I am looking for the specifications for
the Control L port on Sony 8mm camcorders.  I got a package via ftp
several months ago that included the specifications and some software
for controlling a Control L port via a PC, but I seem to have lost it.
If anyone has it, or knows which ftp site has it, could you please
e-mail me?
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: SVHS from Satellite
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:11:44 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Jul21.064034.10418@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer) writes:
<
<All this talk on rec.satellite on SVHS vs composite video is
<confusing to me. Its important to me in that Im still trying
<to figure out which IRD to buy...one with the SVHS or w/o.
<There is only one IRD with this feature however.
<
<The consenus I believe that SVHS from satellite is just composite
<video so stnrd SVHS connect would yield no gain....unlike an LD
<player. What am I missing here?
<
<Would the purchase of the SVHS output IRD be for nought?

SVHS is a video tape format.  It has nothing to do with satellite systems.
I think you mean the S-video connector, where the luminance and chromonance
NTSC signals are separated.

Since the signal on the birds are composite video, the S-connector isn't
necessary.
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From: hcooper@javelin.sim.es.com (Harrison Cooper)
Subject: Standard Video Formats
Summary: Looking for a list..
Keywords: video formats
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:09:29 GMT

Is there a list of standards available.  I have the CGA, EGA, VGA but
what about others, in particular a standard for 1024x1024.

The standard should include sync & timing details.

Please email to hcooper@javelin.sim.es.com

Thanks in advance

Harrison Cooper

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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Taping CD's, videos etc...
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:13:26 GMT


In article <1992Jul24.091907.201@nutmeg.hnrc.tufts.edu> jerry@nutmeg.hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:

>> I've always wondered about that also:  If all these CD's and TV shows
>> and videotapes and softwares are copyrighted and all that, why do they
>> even sell blank tapes and videocassettes etc for then?
>
>Sony fought this one through the courts so that VCR technology wouldn't die
>aborning.  Basically, the "fair use" provision of the copyright law allows you
>to videotape programs for your own use.  Again, you should not make 2nd
>generation copies for further distribution.  (This also applies to radio
>broadcasts.  If a local radio station broadcasts an album in its entirety, you
>can tape it for your own use, but this limited permission to copy does not
>allow you to start selling copies of your tape.)

Now I know we're getting a little out of subject (CDs), but does that
mean we can also tape the movies we rent?  As long as we keep it
to ourselves?  Although it is not possible to do that anymore since
the makers put some kind of @#$% on the tape so the screen goes wild
as soon as you hit record button, but that can easily be overcome if
you have an 8mm.  :-)
BTW, does anybody know how that is done?  (the interference I mean)


Brandon

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From: vita@gloucester.dab.ge.com (Mark Vita)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: LD Clubs : Quality?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:28:49 GMT
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems

In article <1992Jul21.025352.27086@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>If you do the math the buy one get a second for $19.95 is only a better
>deal than using your dividend dollars for disks that list over $40
>each.

The $19.95 thing is also a good deal if you haven't fulfilled your
membership obligation yet, since dividend dollars accumulate only after
you've met your obligation.

>Buy more than 2 disk and S&S comes in cheaper.  The CH S&H is a per
>disk and really adds up.

Has anyone figured out what formula CH uses to determine S&H charges?

>But it's still a pain, and sometimes you can't get through.   Two
>months ago I called.  Cancelled that months selection, and then I said
>"Can you place me on positive response".   She sounded just a bit
>surprised, but said "yes".
>
>Last months card came and it said something like "Because of your good
>standing in our club you do not have to return this card".
>
>So the only time I need to return the card is when I want something.
>
>Ask and you shall receive, if you have met your obligation and buy disk
>from them afterward.

Oooh!  I'll have to try this.  I hadn't even thought to ask before, because
most of the negative-option clubs I've belonged to in the past have been
pretty adamant about insisting on a negative response each month.  I assume
this is because they end up selling a lot of extra unwanted merchandise
this way.

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Daytona Beach, FL
From: EDGLOWE@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU ("Gregg F. Lowe")
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Steadycam Jr.
Date: 25 Jul 92 08:49:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


OK folks, I'll admit up front that this was a boner on my part.

I have ignored the various recent threads regarding the Steadycam Jr.  Well,
now it turns out that I could probably use information on it.  Can someone
please give the basics on this device?  Size, how it functions, availability,
compatibility, approximate cost?

I hate to be the cause of wasted bandwidth for the list, so you can e-mail
directly to me (unless you deem it worthy for re-post).

Humble thanx and shades of embarrassment,

 Gregg F. Lowe

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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Casablanca
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.013309.3316@spcvxb.spc.edu> killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:

> But my question
>is as long as they lable it as "colorized" who cares?  I have a colorized
>version of "It's a Wonderful Life".  When I watch it I simply turn the color
>setting off on my TV.  The print quality of this version is better than the
>older B&W public domain copies floating around.  The point being why should we
>care as long as they are labled and we can still watch the movies as the
>director intended? 


The various PD prints vary quite a lot.   But turning off the color on
a colorized print doesn't give you nearly the same quality as a pure
B&W.

The contrast and brightness of the B&W print must be changed for color,
and depending on how it is handled the resolution of the B&W when the
color is off, is much lower than a pure B&W.   With comb filters
becoming more standardized this isn't as much as a problem.

But with any units that just low pass the luminance and high-pass the
chrominance turning off the color gives you an approximately 240 lines
B&W resolution.

Turning off color on a colorized print does not give you what the
original B&W was.

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From: mattn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Matt Nieberger)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:26:52 GMT
Subject: Re: SVHS from Satellite
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: rkim@CALSTATELA.EDU ("Richard H.S. Kim")
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Is there a safe rewinder?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:32:26 GMT

Summary: Digital tracking opinions on VCRs.

In article <Bs53F3.7yv@workld.std.com> Micky DuPree writes:

| than simply buying new VCRs.  To me, the new machines on the market
| SUCK.  (The uninterested can hit n now.)  Let me itemize some of the
| extremely dubious features:
|
| 1) Digital auto tracking.
|     Sounds great in theory, especially if you've ever had problems with
| the tracking straying while you were dubbing.  However, in practice,
| I've never come across a machine with this feature that didn't lock in
| the tracking at a less-than-optimal position (complete with visible bad-
| tracking lines) and then hold it there for the rest of the tape.  It's
| getting harder and harder to find a new mid-priced machine that doesn't
| have digital auto tracking.  Maybe in a few years they'll make it more
| sensitive and run it in a feedback loop to always stay on top of the
| best tracking point even if that should stray, but until then, this a
| case of a deliberate design bug being fobbed off as a feature on the
| unsuspecting.

Digital auto tracking is one "feature" that I wish they'd leave out.
In my limited experience, digital tracking is VERY sensitive to alignment
problems and dirty video heads.  Plus, multi-head video drums are more
susceptable to clogging and many cheap rental tapes typically flake out
like mad, making matters worse. 

If you're getting severe mis-tracking from the auto tracker, you'll need to
clean the video heads using chamois head cleaners saturated with TF solvent,
the non-residue version.  (Don't use rubbing alcohol).

Although the TF dries fast, it cuts through the residue well.  This helps 
a lot.

Later,
Rich K.

email> rkim@opus.calstatela.edu
 
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Sony SLV696 Opinions? (Re: Best HiFi VCR & sony slv585)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:47:05 GMT


In article <JEFFK.92Jul23112108@dosXX.med.utah.edu> jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell) writes:

>I am about to buy one for $420, which, from
>what I've been able to learn, is a very good 
>price.
>
>Any reason to hold off, and consider another
>unit?

I recently got a Sony SLV696 from CWO for ~$399 mail order
and am very happy with it. I also have a 585 for a year;
no problems.
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From: lenin@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Alejandro Perez-Pulido)
Subject: Intellivision and odyssey games
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:27:57 GMT

I recently picked up an Intellivision and an Odyssey at a sale and being a
regular reader of these lists I though maybe someone can help me.
I want to buy games for these comsoles,
any body have any that wants to sell?
I really appreciate it,
thanks!

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Compression artifacts in NBC Olympic coverage
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:34:31 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <9207271114.aa04963@ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk> B.King@ee.surrey.ac.uk writes:
<I'm amazed!  Four different people have commented on motion
<defects without anyone mentioning the most likely cause.
<
<STANDARDS CONVERSION!
<
<The coverage of the Olympics will be being done by Spanish
<Television in 625 line/25 fps PAL (with I believe some
<things being shot in 1250 line/50 fps HD-MAC HDTV and then
<down converted to PAL).  I would guess that NBC are not
<very well equiped to broadcast direct from a PAL feed and
<that they're feeding it through an old and rather indifferent
<standards converter.

See my previous posting regarding the latest technology standards converters
using motion compensation.

As I said in my lastest posting, I prefer the old 4-field converters.
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Subject: Help 75ohm to RCA...
From: rabagley@uceng.UC.EDU (Ross A Bagley)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:49:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

I need a converter (cheap) from the 75ohm cable of cable to the RCA video/audio
inputs on the Sony 8mm Watchman.  The watchman is not the Hi-Fi version, so
stereo is not essential, though might be useful in the future.  Having the
other cenversion (RCA video/mono sound to 75ohm) would be great too.

Thanks in advance.
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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Video Boosters/Macrovision
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:08:54 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <54728@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West) writes:
>
>~ Are the Macrovision {defeaters?} simply signal boosters?

No. Macrivision defeaters blank the high-level VBI signals inserted by
Macrovision encoders back to baseline. This has nothing whatsoever
to do with "signal boosting".



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