HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: Re: n890421 (KA9Q for the Atari ST....)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:59:43 GMT

hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:

>In article <72777@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>John Bunch asked about using telnet in the ST version of KA9Q.

>Unfortunately he seems to be talking about a different version than the
>one you may be familiar with.
>> 
>>I've been using KA9Q to telnet successfully for quite a while now.  The
>>only time I've had problems with it is when I have a RAMdisk installed,
>>but that shouldn't affect you if you cold booted with a "clean" system..

>What kinds of problems were those? I've never had any trouble of this sort.
>(Hm. How much RAM in your setup?)
>>
>>The only thing I can think of to check.. is "start telnet" in your
>>NET.RC file in the root directory of the drive you run KA9Q from..?

>The various "start" commands are for starting up the servers that handle
>incoming connection attempts. When you say "telnet blah" you're invoking
>the telnet client to make an outgoing connection. The two are independent
>and will have no effect on each other (unless of course, you're trying
>to telnet to yourself...).

>The bug that John refers to is mentioned in the ReadMe that accompanies
>the n890421 package. Oddly enough, it seems to be based on the same code
>that my port was based on, but includes support for many more protocols.
>Doesn't seem to do SLFP or PPP though.


Is this the bug about setting echo to refuse???  I tried setting that and
it still died.  I found that if I had mint installed I could start a
telnet connection without my machine bombing, but I never get a login:
prompt from the machine I am telnetting to.  I type a CTRL-T and the
machine I am trying to connect to responds with i am here...

I have just about given up...

John
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From: mike@abekrd.co.uk (Mike Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: For Sale: Spectre GCR in UK
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:51:55 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.

Well, I love my Spectre, it works flawlessly and I have a fully functional
Mac Plus. Unfortunately, my bank manager wants to know how I intend to pay
for my new car. Sooo....

For Sale, One Spectre GCR v3.0 - the greatest Mac Emulator for the ST. With
	Apple Roms and Documentation.

	300 pounds or near offer. Call 0734 585421 and ask for Mike Quinn.

Mike.

PS You'll need a hard disk to use this (or any Mac) effectively. If you need
one of those, we can discuss that too.

Mike Quinn.	mike@abekrd.co.uk	...!uunet!mcsun!uknet!abekrd!mike

Abekas Video Systems Ltd.		"All these moments will be lost,
Reading. United Kingdom.		  in time, like tears in rain."
From: awest@ub.d.umn.edu (The Piano Man)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: modem?! (WANTED!!!)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:18:05 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

I was wondering where would be the best place to find an inexpensive modem
for my 1040ST.  I want to use it as a terminal to the minicomputer at my
university.  Anyone out there have one to sell?

Also, I would like some software that my five year old would
enjoy...(educational and/or entertainment).

Thanx
Andrew West
awest@ub.d.umn.edu

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From: klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier)
Subject: Re: Falcon, Falcon who has got a Falcon
Keywords: falcon when or rather if
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:22:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.175129.21082@aber.ac.uk> hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.200615.25596@ryn.mro4.dec.com> oconnor@took.enet.dec.com (My name is Joe O'Connor) writes:
>>Well here it is January 8th and has anybody anywhere seen a Falcon for sale 
>>at a dealer.
>>
>>BTW: I am not some Amiga fan I just seem to remember this happening before with
>>the ST Book, etc
>
>It's fairly well advertised here in the UK, Gods knows if you can buy one
>though.
>

I just read the transcript from FRIDAY's RTC on GEnie (With Bob Brodie).

He said the sub-contractor has not been meeting the Q/A or production
requirements. 

"The number of the machines coming from this factory that have fail
diagnostic tests is completely unacceptable to Sam. He is _angry_ about
this, as producing Atari Falcon030s is a paramount importance to us."

He said there was going to be a meeting this monday with the factory do
discuss the problems.

He is meeting with other sub-contractors so the can produce the
FALCON030's in parallel with the "failing" factory. 

Because of  this, don't expect significant shipments until MARCH when
the planned mass advertising campaign is suppost to be launched.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are about 19 different mags which are suppose to have announcement
and or reviews about the Falcon030. they include:

Appplied Techniques - Business week - Byte - CNN - Computer Retail Week
- Computer Technology - Computing NOW (sounds like a radical feminist
group ;^> ) - Datamation - Design News - E. Q. Magazine - EDN NEWS -
Eyecom Magazine - Keyboard (of course!) - Motorola DSP News letter -
MultiMedia World - New Media - Newsbytes - Notworthy - PC Laptop
Computers - Scientific Computering and Automation - Studio Software
report - And "a bunch of others..."         

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Oh BTW, for the STReport readers:

FCC Approvial number for the Atari Falcon030 is: EBAF030ST - application
dated Sept 18, 1992 - granted Nov. 5, 1992.


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Get one of the online mags, they will have a full transcript of the
confrence....


                  +------------------------------------+_
                  | *> Kevin Klasmeier                 | |
                  | *> NET: klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu | |
                  | *> GEnie: K.Klasmeier              | |
                  | {Cincinnati, Ohio in the US of A}  | |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: IT IS UNFORTUNATE ..
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:08:28 GMT


 It is sad Atari can not deliver the Falcon on time ...
i have some things to say 
1) I would have bought a Falcon ....
2) I still might ....
3) It is unfortunate that they were failed by thier sub contractor ...
4) They should have a conference on genie .... to fill us in ...
5) This revelation of machine delays and factory mess ups 
though not surprising is outrageous ....

i am sad i  want my Falcon and Multitos ..
From: Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Stalker vs Uniterm!
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 19:30:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

Glen Deardorf, check to see if you have STalker set to print to printer
without a printer connected/turned on. That gave me the symptoms you
described when I did it by accident (printer turned off). I was getting a 
printer timeout every time it did anything.
 
 Dave Flory, ALERTsys*Cop
 19:29 PST - 01/07/93
 
GEnie - D.Flory
Net - Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com
From: marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (John Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:32:11 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

> In <1993Jan9.211529.28668@news.th-darmstadt.de>, Natuerlich! writes:

> > Why doncha buy a nice Mac and **** off ? If you need convincing the Atari
> > is wrong for you.

And if the only words that will convince me to buy a Mac have four 
letters in them, I CERTAINLY know I won't buy one of them!

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From: klassa@aurs01.UUCP (John M. Klassa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: oxyd -- what's up?
Keywords: oxyd, huh?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:44:01 GMT
Reply-To: klassa%aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (John Klassa)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In a previous article, I write:
:
:Howdy ST Gamers...
:
:I downloaded oxyd.lzh over the weekend & can't get it to do a whole lot.
:It throws up screen 1, then this little propellor/flower-looking thing
:drops down on my little icon (a cannonball, it looks like) and smashes
:it all to hell.  When I try to move (via the mouse), my icon moves a
:little bit, then gets smashed by the propellor thing anyway.  I die
:almost instantaneously, three times in a row, then the game ends.
:
:What am I doing wrong?
:
:Thanks!
:John

The return address in the header of that one was incorrect...  Please
either (R)espond to this message (which has an appropriate header), or
write to me, from scratch, via:

	klassa%aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com

Thanks!
John

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: snoret@egon.unx.sas.com (Rick Tatem)
Subject: Help with 'Life and Death'
Summary: blood and guts!
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:20:58 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Keywords: Life and Death, appendix, cut
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st,snoret@unx.sas.com

Well, taking a break from the recent flamefests that have plagued c.s.a.st,
I've decided to give one of my more recent game/simulation purchases
another try.  Here's the deal:

I have the game/simulation 'Life and Death'.  You know, the surgery sim that
let's you poke around in someone's insides.  The docs are not spectacular,
emphasizing the atmosphere of the simulation more so than how to actually
use the mouse to do things. (i.e. detailed descriptions in medical terms,
but no clues as to what it's supposed to look like on screen)

Anyway, has anyone successfully removed an appendix?!  I can get the appendix
out of the abdomen, but as soon as I try to clip the blood vessel (which I
have no idea where on the appendix it is) like it says in the procedures,
I cut into the appendix and kill the patient.

ANY help would be most appreciated!!  Thanks for listening!

Rick 
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From: Ralf_Czekalla@st.maus.de (Ralf Czekalla)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Gemini and MiNT?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ST.A5385
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

p>What IS the latest version of Gemini and where could I ftp it?

Gemini 1.21 and ftp-able from ftp.uni-kl.de!

Tschau Ralf
Internet:                     MausNet:
<czekall@uni-muenster.de>     <Ralf_Czekalla@ST.maus.de> (no binaries/UUEs)
[For binaries and long Mails please use the UseNet-account!]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Need cracked version of M1 Tank ... and Silent Service
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:21:26 GMT

In article <church.726287205@sfu.ca> church@fraser.sfu.ca (Mike James Church) writes:
>
>I asked for help previously for a copy of Silent Service.  I was
>worried about the original disk dying.  Well, it did.  The disk drive
>toasted it, but the result is a disk with the 1 file, HISCORES.DAT.
>
>Ahhh, well.  I bought M1 Tank Platoon and Silent Service II in PC
>version as he had planned to buy one soon.  I then gave him my atari
>and he doesn't want a PC.
>
>Anyone with the cracked version of SS1, SS2, or M1 Tank platoon would
>get my eternal gratitude and my firstborn.
>
>    _______                                  
>   /   _   \_                __                    
> Mike | |__| |__   __ _ ____|  |__       
>   |  |  _|     ) |  | / _\ _\    )
>   |  |_|  | |  |/   |  |  (__ |  |
>   \_______/_|__|_/__|__\____/_|__| 
>    church@sfu.ca
>
>PS: Anyone try the game Sensible Soccer by Mindscape?  I'm thinking of
>    buying it.  Your comments?
>
>T H A N K    Y O U   V E R Y   M U C H 
>
>Pirate flamers - go right ahead - I'm legal.  Well, sort of.  I _do_
>have the manuals... just the wrong media.  Test me if you want...

As far as Sensible Soccer goes, BUY IT!!!!!.  Just got back from U.K. with
an armload of ST games and this one is the best...brilliant gameplay, although
you need 1 MB to use the highligh-saving feature.
From: aj743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven D. Hardy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari ST system 4 sale...
Date: 10 Jan 1993 05:37:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



I have an Atari 520ST system for sale.  Every thing is in great
condition and has been treated with loving care.  I have recently
moved on to a new system and would like to find a home for my
Atari.  I am asking $400.00 or best offer for everything plus
shipping.  If you have any questions please send E-mail...
 
HARDWARE:
 
Atari 520ST
- 68000 16bit CPU at 8MHz
- 512k RAM
- RF modulator for connecting to your TV
- Atari two button mouse
- TOS operating system with GEM graphical user interface
- Two joysticks
- Connector to add two joysticks for four players
 
Two Atari SF354
- Single sided disk drives
- Uses 3.5" disks
- Will format to 360k
 
Master 3S
- Double sided disk drive
- Will format to 720k
- Teac mechanism
 
Rio Datel Disk Drive
- Double sided disk drive
- Will format to 720k
- Teac mechanism
 
Atari SMM804
- 9 pin printer
- Cable
- Paper
 
 
SOFTWARE:
 
All software is like new and includes manuals...
 
-APPLICATIONS-
 
Flash
Shadow
WordPerfect
 
-GAMES-
 
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes of the Lance
Better Dead Than Alien
Alien Syndrome
Barbarian
Batman: The Caped Crusader
Dungeon Master
Chessmaster 2000
Exolon
Falcon: The F-16 Fighter Simulation
Formula 1 Grand Prix
Gauntlet
Gauntlet II
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
King's Quest III
Leader Board
Leather Goddesses of Phobos
Leatherneck
Outrun
Hyperdome
Moon Patrol
The Pawn
Phantasie
Phantasie II
Phantasie III
Test Drive
Star Fleet I: The War Begins
Sundog
Thrust
Starglider
Star Wars
Space Quest
Star Trek: The Rebel Universe
Thunder Blade
Time Bandit
Ultima II
Exodus: Ultima III
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
Plutos
Vectorball
Xevious
Uridium
Robotron: 2084
Warhawk
Wizard's Crown
 
 
OTHER:
 
Lots and lots of Atari ST specific magazines...
 




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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Porky pig.
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:11:32 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:

>How exactly does one pirate a CD-ROM?  650M hard drives aren't exactly
>cheap...  ;-)

For those who don't know, you don't run OS's off a CD-ROM.  The CD-ROM is
only for installation purposes - it's like a tape, but cheaper to produce.
One reason WHY you don't is that a CD-ROM is WAY to slow.


>Precisely why I'm trying to collect as much info as possible...

Check the availability of GNU software, especially GCC/G++ on the PC and Mac
platforms.  Under Linux, YES, under DOS, NOT REALLY.


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From: afsfpel@cidsv03.cid.aes.doe.CA (Yves Pelletier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:23:46 GMT
Reply-To: afsfpel@cidsv03.cid.aes.doe.CA (Yves Pelletier)
Organization: Environment Canada

I won't repeat everything that's been written so far about using the 
TT's internal floppy drive with Spectre GCR, but there is this notion
going around that you can't use 800K Mac floppies on a TT/Spectre. I
would like to dispell that notion. :)

I use floppy disks with Spectre 3.0 on my TT, all the time. But 
before I can do that, I have to perform a little voodoo, as follows:

1. Turn off CPU cache.
2. From the Atari desktop, format a *double density* floppy.
3. Launch Spectre.

After that, I can read, write and format GCR disks without problems.
This works _every time_ on my TT, and at least one other that I know of.

The main disadvantage of this trick is that you have to wait for a 
whole floppy to format before you can use Spectre. So, I wrote a little
brain-dead hack that formats just one sector on each side of a floppy. 
If I run this program, instead of step 2 above, everything still works
fine under Spectre.

I give you this trick to try out, but since I don't know why it
works, I can't guarantee anything.

Cheers,


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Yves Pelletier                               afsfpel@cid.aes.doe.ca
Centre Meteorologique Canadien      "I am resplendent in divergence" 
Dorval, Quebec, Canada                                           D.B.

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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
	<1993Jan6.123352.3450@wg.estec.nl>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:14:30 EST

In <1993Jan6.123352.3450@wg.estec.nl>, wim vleeshhouwer writes: 

> With good quality software I suppose you mean allthe crap that is
> being produced for these braindead machines like Windows and the like.
> Who the hell needs all that crap anyway. And by the way, the argument
> that there is lots of SW available for PC's, so what, most users only
> use a WordProcessor (like this shit product called WordPerfect) and
> maybe Lotus, so what is the use of so much software? If you don't know
> what you are talking about, then shut up. I am more than tired of the
> bullshit going around about PC's.

No, he means _real_ operating systems, like OS/2.  You know, that
multi-tasking, multi-threading OS from IBM?  The one that does better
DOS than DOS?

The ST has some good software, but the clones have TONNES of good
software, and some GREAT software.  Where is CorelDRAW! or MicroGrafix
Designer for the ST?  Well, I could use Avaunt-Vektor, which costs about
3x-4x what they cost, and that's about it... so much for choosing the
best one, right?  Good word processor that doesn't take over the whole
screen when it runs?  Hmm, can't think of one...  Hope all the word
processor users on the ST don't want to use MultiTOS.

Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I think I'm going to buy a
'486 and run OS/2.  It's almost like unix, but with real applications...

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cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:36:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:


>Comodore officialy say that 60% of current A500 software works on the A1200.
>Impressive? I don't think so!

The figure was 60% of games.  Most (all?) productivity software ran
without troubles.

	Mark

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From: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: .APP doesn't work on my MegaSTE
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:57:22 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au

I have a Mega4STE with TOS 2.05. I can't get any .APP files to open: if I
double click on them, I just get the "Show - Print " dialogue box.
What am I doing wrong, or what haven't I done that I should do?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: RFD: What to do with comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.st?
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:38:46 GMT

Joshua Kronengold <H04HC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>I'd say that if someone is getting software, the bulk of their software will be
>directly from the archives, rather than the newsgroup, anyway.  So, my
>recomendation is to delete c.b.a.s and possibly c.s.a.s and create a new
>moderated group, comp.archives.atari.st, with a FAQ, and new UL's

Completely agreed.  Nearly everyone has ftp-access nowadays (right?) so
sending binaries to all the sites is hardly defendable IMO.
Probably the sources-newsgroup can be deleted too -- the occasional sources
that are made available could be sent to c.s.a.st or ...tech  Would
raise the S/N level in c.s.a.st at least...
And now we're at it: how about a group comp.sys.atari.flames ???  So we
can get back to the regular interesting stuff in c.s.a.st...


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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:45:48 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1993Jan5.215807.17246@sfu.ca> gordonf@monashee.sfu.ca (Gordon Farrell) writes:
> >He HATES Atari.  I once spoke with him at an Atari show and the only
> >reason he was there was to convert Atari users to clones.
> 
> I think I can shed some light on why Darek hates Atari so much.
> 
> ...stuff about XFORMER...

Looks like what I said a lonnnnnnng time ago about Gemulator was true.
I said D.M. was making Gemulator basically to sell only to ex-ST users
who wanted to throw away their ST and get a clone. He was providing one
more incentive (as if *that* was needed :) ) to get a clone, because
you could still use your ST software.

Anyone who still thinks Gemulator is being made to convert millions
of IBM worshippers over to the wonderful Atari software base needs
some psychiatric care. He's doing it to hasten the Atari nosedive.
For the record, I still like the ST (actually the STe) a lot, for
several reasons, and have no wish for Atari to go under. Darek it
seems definitely wants them to go under.

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