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From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Tanks and GA aircraft
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:47:09 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

A dive shop in Midland, Michigan (Seaquatics) has a custom built, dual
axle trailer that has over 30 HP storage cylinders and a pneumatic amp
(ram) to fill tanks on trips.  It has enough yokes to fill 8 or 10
tanks at once.  The trailer is a heavy son-of-a-bitch but is will
last an entire weekend of open water classes with a 20 students, 
divemasters and instructors. Using a small portable would take a 
lot of time to fill all those tanks. 

For fills on remote trips, I'm modifying my utility trailer to have 
3 HP storage cylinders on a cascade under a false floor.  An industrial
gas place thinks that they can get me large tanks that take 4500psi,
but they are *expensive*.  I plan to use it when I go to the Upper
Peninsula of Michigan to do some UW prospecting in Lake Superior
this summer.  I think that I can finally make this #%$*&#&$% sport
to *PAY ME* for a change!!!!!!   :-)    

For those who don't know how the cascade works, you have say three
cylinders that are full, hooked into a manifold.  You open one tank
and fill your tanks until they reach full pressure.  When that 
storage cylinder will no longer fill a tank full, you close that
valve and open the second one and use some of the higher pressure 
air to top the tank.  When the second tank will no longer fill the
tank full, you use low pressure air from the first tank, close the
valve, open the second tank valve and fill it as full as possible,
close the valve and then top it off with the third tank... and so 
on.  This gives you more full fills that using them individually.

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
From: dvolansk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Volansky)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:39:54 GMT
Subject: Wanted:  Used PADI Wheel Dive Planner
Organization: ISST - HP Corporate Offices
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

Wanted: Used PADI Wheel Dive Planner

If you have an under-used, unwanted PADI Wheel (with instructions) and would
like to sell it, please contact me via email at
david_volansky@hp0000.desk.hp.com or call me at (415) 857-3990 - days or
(415) 738-1360 eves.  I'm looking to pay around $20.  The only problem is that
I need it by Monday, 4/20, so the seller will probably have to be located in
the SF Bay Area.

Thanks,
  David
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: Tanks and GA aircraft
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.030048.8085@herboid.uucp> adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer) writes:

>By extension, if you're thinking in terms of being both diver and pilot,
>you should also consider the possible effects of any undesired DCS or AGE
>manifestations on your ability to fly.  As Pilot-In-Command, you want to
>be 100% certain, not 99.999% certain, that you're fit to fly.  You might
>be better off with a non-diving copilot, or with staying on the ground
>for an absolute minimum of 24 hours from last dive to return flight.  And
>you might want to limit yourself to 5000 feet even then.

>Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides


Wait a minute!!!  You guys FLY to a dive site, do 'n' dives, then CAMP in the
wilderness until you're clear....I thought that kind of stuff only happened in
movies....

I've obviously made a poor career choice ($$$$), where did I go wrong?!?

You people are decadent in the extreme....(Rawest sort of envy!! :-)).


-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: fittery@arcturus.uucp (Elmer Fittery)
Subject: Treasure Hunting
Organization: Rockwell International
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:24:11 GMT

Does anybody know about treasure hunting?
the Treasure Hunters on 48 Hours was interesting.
Basically, you pay 50% of your findings to the
owner of the site that you dive on, and 20% of
your findings to the state of Florida.  The rest of
your findings belongs to you.  Any information
out there?
From: mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: dive flags & boaters
Date: 3 Apr 92 16:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr3.112914.23343
Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Dept. of Computer Science

In article <2APR199213090362@zeus.tamu.edu> bdd0066@zeus.tamu.edu (Bryan, kick the tire and light the fire, Duke) writes:
>
>...LISTEN!! I HEAR A POWER BOAT!!  we turned very quickly and headed
>straight down.  at about 35 ft., we turned up to see a boat passing
>pretty close to where we were just seconds before.  we waited for another
>minute or two--until we were both sure we heard nothing--then headed
>very slowly again to the surface.  when we got there, we saw that we 
>were within 50 ft. of our dive flag.

Why did you come up that far away from your dive flag? I didn't think
the visibility in Canyon Lake was that good. In such situations I
follow my line up and surface right next to my dive flag.

>  For me, that was just a little
>too close for comfort, but he should have never been there.  my flag
>was very plain to see.  so why didn't he stay away??

Most likely he didn't have any idea what a dive flag meant. Quite a few
boaters don't. That doesn't make them idiots.

>...  all i ask for
>is a little space around my flag.  if that boater would have given
>us only 100 ft from the flag, there would have been NO danger of losing
>several lives.	i'm just upset and still shooken from the whole thing.
>
>sorry for the flame.

I can understand being frightened and angry after an experience like
that, but I must disagree with the "all boaters are idiots" attitude
shown in some articles in rec.scuba. The most flagrant was someone
else's, not yours. Since I don't want to attack any individual perhaps
it is best that I put my comments in a response without a specific
reference.

Most boaters don't know about diving and divers, and this can produce
dangerous situations. As divers there really isn't much we can do to
change boaters. We have to learn to protect ourselves. It shouldn't
be that way, but it is.

However most boaters aren't idiots or worse just because they don't know
about our special needs. I don't own a power boat, but I spend a fair
amount of time on rivers in a canoe. Power boats run on some of these
rivers. The operators may not have advanced degrees, but most have a
lot of practical knowledge and nearly all are quite courteous. They
know to slow down and not make problems with their wakes, and almost
all do it. They look out for the safety of others on the river and
respect our rights. I realize that a big lake with a lot of fast boats
is worse than a river where most of the power boats are used for fishing
and not thrill seeking.

Attacking boaters is not the solution. It isn't courteous, it isn't
reasonable, and it won't help.

Boaters are much more numerous than divers and the boating industry has
much more clout. If it comes to confrontation we'll lose. If we try to
push for really tough regulation of boats by yelling too loudly about
hazards to divers the result is more likely to be tough regulations on
diving.

Bill Mayne
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: duis@sgi.com (David Duis)
Subject: Re: Oxygen Decompression
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:54:52 GMT

mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) writes:
> 
> Is anyone out there willing to admit if they have actually dove
> home grown schedules? I would be most interested in your experiences
> and comments.

Do you mean home-grown schedules that are *LESS* conservative than
some given standard tables?  If so, no.

It's pretty tough in northern Californian open water conditions to
guarantee with absolute certainty that I'll hit the boat on my way
back from an exploratory dive, and I don't yet carry enough redundant
air to do extensive blue-water decos if I miss the boat, so I don't go
very far into decompression.  Hence my schedules aren't that much
different than Navy schedules.

Cheers,

Dave Duis                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
duis@bent.esd.sgi.com		   Oxygen is a drug in California.
From: young@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Sarah Young)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Info for a very beginer
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:16:22 GMT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science

Also, I got certified through a university club, so my cost was closer
to $250, all included.

Why don't you call the cruise lines and get more specific info on the
dive sites.  If they are all pretty shallow (30') there may be some
other options.
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sarah Young, Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center, Univ. of SC
young@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu
From: bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Diving near Charleston
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:49:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: hubcap.1992Apr10.174927.26851
Organization: Clemson University

Hi all,

     I will be a newly certified diver in about two weeks and was
wondering if anyone out there could relate any experiences or
recomendations about diving between Myrtle Beach, SC and Savannah, GA.

Thanks in advance!

Bob Staaf
bob@hubcap.clemson.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jcv26@cas.org (Jon Vander Hill)
Subject: Re: Diving and Lyme disease
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio, USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:27:04 GMT

Dave Waller writes:

   Now, how does this relate to diving?  I am not a physician, and
   therefore am not in a position to make a solid judgement on this.
   However, based upon my understanding of the condition, I can't see
   that it is a particular problem that would contraindicate diving
   activities after a patient is well on their way to recovery.  Of
   course, general impact on the health condition of the patient is of
   concern as it would be for any ailment.  However, if you are
   basically recovered, feeling well, and your stamina is up to par,
   you're probably OK for diving.

   I would insist that a student of mine who was undergoing treatment
   for this condition receive a medical release from a diving
   physician prior to participating in diving activities.  I would
   strongly urge a certified diver to do the same; I think the
   liklihood of receiving sanction from a physician is good.

I'm not a physician either, so my email response to the original post
was for the author to call the Divers Alert Network information number
and ask a diving physician.  Here is the author's response to his own
query:

   Thanks to those who responded to my earlier query about whether
   it's okay to Dive with or after having Lyme disease. I called DAN
   and talked to one of the physicians. He said that diving with any
   condition which causes acute joint inflammation is a no-no. No way
   to tell after a dive if the joint pain is due to Lyme or being
   bent. Also, having Lyme may predispose one to bubble formation and
   lead to serious troubles. Boy, as if Lyme wasn't bad enough, now I
   got decompression sickness! He said I'll have to wait until all my
   symptoms go away before I can dive safely. Bummer. Lyme symptoms
   can take years to resolve completely. :( Well, if I have to give up
   diving to get my brain back I'll gladly make the trade.

   Dan Quoidbach daniel@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu Ocean Drilling
   Program Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory Palisades, NY 10964

(Not quite a) Dr. Waller or DAN?  You be the judge.

When in doubt about diving with a specific medical condition,
give DAN a call at (919) 684-2948 (non-emergencies).  You don't
have to be a member to call.

Jon Vander Hill
jon@cas.org
PADI DM, NACD & NSS-CDS Full Cave, DAN member
--
Jon Vander Hill
jon@cas.org
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Vote *YES* to commercial advertising on the net!
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:31:06 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

Jeeze, It seems that we have a problem here:  The commercial
advertising flame war.  

I've already decided that it is *OK* to advertise commercial 
products and services on rec.scuba and want to get in on
all the lucrative opportunities, so here goes.

I make gold, semi-precious stone jewelery as a sideline business.
This (of course) takes place underwater (it's a real bitch to get
that gold solder to flow underwater too) so is ok for inclusion
in this forum, right?  Well, some of it looks like the stuff 
that the lucky guys find on old Spanish Galleons.  Anybody
needing a real good deal on custom made jewelery (specially
made to withstand salt water corrosion!) can post a request
(don't mess with that time consuming e-mail) for a free catalog. 

Next time I go to Belize (I'm really getting to know the place
well), for a small fee ($15,000) I'll take you along.  This 
include three nights in a shack in a mangrove swamp (running water
extra), all the meals you can catch, two one tank shore dives,
and R/T boat fare to Belize (FOB Houston, shipping crate included)
and a complementary bottle of warm Belikan beer on arrival.
The slots are filling up fast, so if you're interested, post
your replys to the net.  Do it soon!

Did you know that Scamway soap is great for cleaning your mask and 
fins after a dive?  Well, it is.  For information, you guessed it,
post that request to the net.  Or, if you want to make an extra
2 or 3 dollars a week in your spare time, ask about our easy terms for 
distributerships!

I've got this car for sale and it's great for hauling all that scuba
gear around....

Need I say more?      ;-)

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Tanks and GA aircraft
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:00:48 GMT

In article <11222@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.164126.19182@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> adair@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
>(Jerry Adair) writes:
>...
>>aircraft.  Being a pilot, I decided that I ought to fly up to the checkout
>>dives this weekend rather than just drive (always looking for a "reason" to
>>fly:).  At first, I thought that taking a tank to an altitude of say, oh,
>>5000 - 10000 feet would cause the tank to bleed its air through the pressure
>>relief valve, and if it didn't have one of those, it'd just rupture -> not
>...
>     But if you're considering flying to a dive site you really
>should be thinking about something totally different, i.e. nitrogen.
>After your dive you'll have lots of extra nitrogen in your blood,
>and if you try flying back immediately afterwards you could get
>bent.  ...

By extension, if you're thinking in terms of being both diver and pilot,
you should also consider the possible effects of any undesired DCS or AGE
manifestations on your ability to fly.  As Pilot-In-Command, you want to
be 100% certain, not 99.999% certain, that you're fit to fly.  You might
be better off with a non-diving copilot, or with staying on the ground
for an absolute minimum of 24 hours from last dive to return flight.  And
you might want to limit yourself to 5000 feet even then.
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
adb@herboid.uucp | adeboer@geac.com  | 100% of your daily requirement for
uunet!geac!!herboid!adb              | trivia and meaningless entertainment?
From: wsun@descartes.waterloo.edu (Victor Sun)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: ftp address
Keywords: ftp address
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:34:41 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


In just a few days, I have received a lot of mails regarding the nasa.gov 
address. I have FTPed to ames.arc.nasa.gov and successfully downloaded more
than 30 files. I LOVE it  !!!! :-) :-) !!!!!
Thanks you for helping me !!!! :-) :-) !!!!! 

Victor 
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: sracer@cecelia.media.mit.edu (Go Speed Racer (Andy Hong))
Subject: Re: Scuba Lessons in Peekskills, NY  (Ouch, it's getting hot in here)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Music Group
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:16:37 GMT

I'll refrain from including a whole bunch of yelling that appeared earlier
in this thread... and I'll just get right to my point.

Hey... It's only a newsgroup.  I can easily off the top of my head think
of a hundred other things I'd rather do than read this newsgroup--and I'm
sure y'all can too.  Most of us probably read this stuff when we're taking
a break or just killing time--it's like picking up a magazine.  I probably
speak for alot of people when I say... if I had a computer at home (and
I'm glad I don't), I'd probably read this newsgroup while eating my cereal
in the morning.

It's info-tainment.

So don't let it ruin your day.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say there isn't any information value
in this newsgroup--there must be enough real knowledge being passed around
to keep me from unsubscribing to this group... which says alot.


--andy (who, after four years of diving and talking with hundreds of other
        divers, thinks that *his* instructor (who, by the way, has only
        four digits in his NAUI instructor number) is *by far* the best
        (and most sincere) instructor in the business (I will gladly
        furnish his phone number to anyone in the SF Bay Area upon
        request))
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: duis@bent.wpd.sgi.com (David Duis)
Subject: Cypress Sea Charter for Experienced Divers Only
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:43:15 GMT

If you're an experienced diver interested in a 3-dive charter on the
Cypress Sea, please contact me.  

"Pirate Ventures" will be continuing our epic "experienced divers
only" voyages on Friday April 24th.  $75 buys you 3 dives, breakfast
and lunch, Al80 tanks and 3000psi fills.  Nitrox fills are also
available for a nominal fee.

Our last venture took us to the far south "3.2 mile pinnacles" (near
Garrapata State Park), Mono Lobos wall, and outer Butterfly House.

Drop me a note for more information.  Spaces are very limited, so act
now.

Cheers,

Dave Duis@bent.wpd.sgi.com           NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
    Spearfishing on SCUBA is like hunting bears from a helicopter.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Scuba Lessons in Peekskill, NY
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:55:23 GMT

In article <930452@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
> [ discussion of the advisability of instructors advertising on the net ]
>
>At this point I will refrain from making such an appeal, and ask that
>rec.scuba readers post their thoughts on this. We need to discuss this
>issue and come to a consensus. I personally would prefer that rec.scuba
>remain a high information content forum, but in this dog eat dog world,
>I'm as interested as the next person in using what tools are available
>to fill my class roster.

For the most part, I'll second that.  I like the high information content
here, but all the thoughtful postings here take time to post that could be
spent doing something revenue-producing, so there's no sense biting the
hands that feed the group.  Once upon a time when I used to read
comp.dcom.modems I saw somebody flaming a posting from somebody at
telebit.com because in that person's humble opinion the Telebit employee
had a commercial stake in the modem business and wasn't motivated by
sufficiently altruistic motives.  Somehow, though, through all this I got
the impression that there was more factual and informative content in one
posting from somebody who knew what he was talking about than in all the
flamage the other poster ever posted to the net.

Getting a bit more to the point here, perhaps a solution might be for the
instructors in the group to make sure their locations and the fact they're
instructors show up in their .signatures and/or their header lines, and
try to be thoughtful and informative enough in whatever lies between those
parts to impress potential customers.  And perhaps Nick could be persuaded
to add a few lines in the FAQ to say "no, we don't advertise professional
services, but if you see an instructor from your area posting, you're
encouraged to contact them by E-Mail (not by posting, thank you) if you're
looking for training".
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
adb@herboid.uucp | adeboer@geac.com  | 100% of your daily requirement for
uunet!geac!!herboid!adb              | trivia and meaningless entertainment?
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: eyeglasses or contacts
From: caudwell_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:52:06 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ

In article <31@smarine.UUCP>, glb0270@smarine.UUCP (Guy Babineau) writes:
> 
> I have worn contact lenses in the past for diving but during my last dive
> trip an event occurred which made me resolve to buy a mask with prescription
> lenses instead.
> 
> I was having a good dive in warm water with high visibility at 30-40 feet.
> I was swimming around and noticed some vivid green stuff floating around
> the bottom of my mask.  At first I thought, what the hell is that green
> stuff?  As soon as I posed the question I realized that it was blood but
> the red light had been filtered out so that it appeared red.  I wasn't
> concerned, I had had a nose bleed earlier (non diving related).  Because
> I didn't want green glop all in my mask and inside on the glass I had to
> clear it.  Unnacountably my contact lens fell out during the process.  I
> could see it swimming around in the green blood/water at the bottom of
> my mask.  Since I didn't want to lose the lens I had to finish the
> dive without getting rid of the blood/water.  This was early on in the
> dive and it was a great site, I could still see well enough, so I kept
> on with the dive.  By the time the dive was over, a fair amount of water
> was sloshing around in my mask (we have a picture of me, unfortunatly the
> flash made the blood red for the picture, it would have looked better in
> green).  This was less than pleasant.
> 
> This wan't that bad, but the next day on a night dive my lens felt like it
> was coming out again.  We were 30 minutes into the dive, and I didn't want
> to lose my lens (finding it in the dark would have been a joy)  so I signaled
> my buddy to go back, which we did.  My contact didn't end up coming out but I
> guess it had made me worried about losing a contact.  So my buddy and I
> lost out on some diving for nothing.
> 
> These were ideal diving situations with no stress, etc.  Just having the
> extra worry about losing a lens might change the situation from annoying
> to dangerous if additional factors were involved.  I don't know why I was
> having more trouble than usual with the lenses but it just wasn't worth it.
> 
> I resolved to get a prescription mask.  Compared to the cost of travel/etc,
> the cost of the mask is low.  Right now I am leaning towards masks with
> the replacable prescription lenses as my prescription isn't complex and
> I like a low volume mask.
> 
> 
> Guy