From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re meaning of 14th august
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:25:45 GMT
Organization: UB

From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: 14th AUGUST AND ITS RELAVANCE TODAY

WHAT DOES 14th AUGUST MEAN NOTHING TO US?


   >As one of our co-netter had posted,Does 14th August mean nothing to us?
>I feel that we better reorient our thought process towards PAKISTAN. Does 
>a nation lose its claim on its territorial parts that try to sperate for 
>time being?

You are forgetting how much the Muslim identity has changed the faces of
Pakistanis. If Indians are too diverse to relate to each other(comparison
of South India and North India) then there is little that Pakistanis and
Indians share. What we do share is Mustafa Ibrahim and Deb Chatterjee, that is
the advocates or the sole reason why Pakistan should be Pakistan and India
should remain India. 


>   Today Pakistan could be different political entity. But what about its 
>HISTORICAL links with BHARAT? We should always treat PAK as a misguided 
>brother who has lost his links of relationships with his family in the past 
>few centuries.

Historical links? Did'nt you read the articles about the history of Hindu
massacres when India was ruled by Muslims. It amazed me at the number of
articles on "Negationism in India", that were posted. Whether what was written
was true of the history of Muslim rule is irrelevant, the anti-Muslim 
sentiment among some article was amazing.        
 

  > Right from the ages of Ramayana our links have been established with IRAN, 
>AFGHANISTAN, BANGLADESH, NEPAL, CEYLON, THAILAND etc. Can these be severed
>by some religio-fanatical upsurge(as in case of PAKISTAN) or by some weak
>leadership guidance(in case of BHARAT)? Does PAKISTAN gaining its Political 
>Independence mean that we lose claim on all our Historical Landmarks like
>LAHORE (maharaj Ranjit Singhs Capital), Western Punjab Provinces, Sind regions,
>Rivers and rivulets  Sindhu which had their repectable place since the Vedic 
>age? Can all the history, cultural bonds be undone?

Forget the fact that Sindhu had a respectable place since the Vedic age.
The links between Hindus and Sindhu no longer exists and Sindhu remains the
Mother for Sindhis who choose to disregard religion as they have through out
their history.


   >Bharath was once a world leader, VISHWA GURU.  Its culture had spread from
>Siberia to Australia, from Indo-China regions to SOUTH America. It is this 
>spirit we should remember. The sad incidence of pertition should be taken as
>a wrong in the history and one should forget that and try to restore our
>GLORIOUS HERITAGE.

Oh I did not know that Hindus too subscribe to "neel kay sahil say 
tabakhak e kashgar" thought. 

   >Some times it does pain the way our pakistani brothers try to project their
>so called PAKISTANI identity. But do they realise what their history was? 
>If they feel that their NATION has taken its birth in 1947 then they are lost. 
>We should symapathize these people who had to suffer the invasions of Mongols, 
>Greeks, Muslims, barbarians. During this process that westernmost part of 
>Bharath got its roots submerged in this chaos. And finally that led to a mass 
>conversion of Hindus into ISLAM. After a period of few centuries the newer
>generations are losing their actual place in History and are being misled by 
>PSEUDO-INTELLCTUALS who for their selfish needs have corrupted the society 
>much further.

You are kidding right! Let me ask you, you are a devout Hindu are'nt you.
Between you and people like Mahfooz and Mustafa, I am screwed on both sides.

>History and intriduce them back to the world as those belonging from the 
>Land of Rama and Krishna.

Sorry I spoke too soon!

   >As a person with this past we should try to merge back and try to achieve
>the final of  UNDIVIDED BHARAT ( AKHAND BHARAT).  BHARAT can never be a
>complete without Pakistan. 


There is no way I am giving up Waqar Younis :) :) :)



>-Indu.

Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan