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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Guns and Suicide, Medical Examiner's Rprt
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:00:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.060029.16397@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>In article <3310@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:
>>  People who are
>>just as likely to use knives, drugs, ropes, etc. can have those self
>>destructive tendencies removed by just one confiscation law.
>
>   The study showed clearly that people are NOT just as likely to use
>knives, drugs, ropes, etc.  In a home with a gun people are 5 times
>more likely to commit suicide than a home without a gun.  That was
>a statistical finding.  It said nothing about tendencies.

The misleading part was the study actually appeared to say that
in a home with a gun people are five times more likely to
*succeed* in suicide -- perhaps not a surprising number.  After all,
most of the other forms of suicide are lengthy, unsure, or unpleasant.

Bill
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Subject: Re: How do you get fast police action?
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
	<1992Aug17.153645.27176@eskimo.celestial.com>
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:36:36 GMT


>>   In article <1992Aug17.023339.16421@u.washington.edu> 
>>ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
>>
>>
>>	Saturday early morning I was on my way home on bicycle when I
>>	spotted the strange sight of a young man on a bike with a TV
>>	carton balanced on the handlebar about to begin descending
>>	a rather steep street. It struck me as foolish that anyone 
>>	would haul such a large object in so dangerous a fashion at 
>>	dark (It was only 4 am). [...]

>In article <1992Aug17.153645.27176@eskimo.celestial.com> 
>kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>
>   Well, you know what the police priorities are these days.
>   They are all out doing highly visible, glamorous, easy stuff
>   that has a high return for effort expended (even though it
>   backfires sometimes, like the Everett SWAT team that killed
>   that lady).

Well, you're knee-JERK (with appropriate emphasis on the JERK)
response was enough to make my already high blood pressure take a
jump.

I have been frustrated by lack of police response on the few occasions
where I wanted them but I never thought to criticize their priorities.

It never occured to me that they ought to drop everything they're doing
to attend to my needs.  I don't pay enough taxes to warrant this
attention AND I don't want to!  

I think it is too bad that an officer wasn't sitting right around the
corner (at Winchell's or Westernco) to bust the misguided youth
mentioned above but I don't think that the officer's should be yanked
from life or death matters to chase such a suspect down.

In a perfect world this wouldn't be required but then again in a
perfect world we wouldn't have bugs like you making idle criticisms
with zero supporting evidence.

Do you say these things merely to elicit response or do you actually
believe some of it?





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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Organization: Ingenous Fools Proving Labs.   
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:55:58 GMT

	Sys-Flame War! Sys-Flame War!
Duck for cover, bring out the eyeshades and chemical suits!  


	
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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce
From: kolding@cs.washington.edu (Eric Koldinger)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.034101.17124@ssc.wa.com> tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.203053.13895@u.washington.edu> jhli@carson.u.washington.edu (Jianghong Li) writes:
>>A female graduate student or a post-doctoral fellow, or a visiting
>>scholar is wanted to a spacious two-bedroom apartment in Ballard. 

  [ .. stuff deleted .. ]
>
>Sorry, but gender discrimination in housing is illegal in the 
>city of Seattle.

Sorry, but in this case it's not.  If you are looking for a roommate, you can
be as specific as you like (ads for vegetarian, Nepalese, Jewish quadroplegics
are legal, for instance, although you might be hard pressed to actually find a
roommate).  If you are renting a vacant house or apartment, then
discrimination of all kinds is illegal.  From reading the note, it sounds like
the person is looking for a roommate, not trying to rent a vacant house,
although the original posting is a bit vague.

-- 
    				|   Eric Koldinger
    Your tax dollars at play.	|   University of Washington
	 			|   Department of Computer Science
				|   kolding@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Drug Laws (WAS: Re: Travelling armed)
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:49:42 GMT

In article <2902@voodoo.UUCP> mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:

>[deletion]
 
> I think you've got to have a pretty strange accounting system to call the
> tobacco subsidies an 'investment' or profit making venture.  Sooner
> or later you've got to figure in the cost of those ~400,000 deaths per
> year.  And with the move on for a national health care system, I'm 
> afraid we're all going to get the opportunity to pay those cost even
> more directly :^(

Hey, don't complain.  Think of all the jobs those deaths create in the  
cancer industry for people like me.  If the gov't didn't pay kickbacks to  
the tobacco industry to help get kids hooked on carcinogenic drugs, I'd have  
to do something productive for a living.

Our entire economic system is based on the destruction of the planet;  don't  
whine just because a few million people get in the way...
Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce,rec.music.indian.classical
From: simonson@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Simonson)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Summary:  Advise caution in dealing with percieved bigotry.
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:51:11 GMT

     In article <1992Aug20.215000.20919@u.washington.edu>
mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

=In article <1992Aug20.173943.2640@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
=wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille) writes:
=>                                            I happen to discriminate against
=>homosexuals and child molestors when I choose a baby-sitter.
=
= Yeah, those two are one and the same, right?! Gotta keep them fags away
=from the kids...
=
=You make me sick.

     I think the sickness we're talking about is that of unwarranted pre-
concieved notions about people like homosexuals.  I also think one of the
best ways of dealing with such notions is to not have them ourselves.  I'm
not sure it's warranted to assume that Robert Wille thinks that gays and
child molestors "are one and the same."

                                     ---Kevin Simonson
Xref: sparky seattle.general:2660 pnw.general:1843
From: wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:05:31 GMT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:

> I got some e-mail from Bruce King saying he'll be back up by Wednesday or
> so.  He said he went to reduce the number of phone lines he was carrying
> from 16 to 12, and US West unhooked the wrong ones (i.e. the ones with the
> main phone #'s).
> 
I don't think this explanation will hold water.  I have the list of all
of polari's phone number's and all 16 of his data lines AND his
voice line were all disconnected.  Now I know we have all had trouble
with US West at one time or another, but disconnecting ALL of a 
customer's lines by mistake seems a little unlikely.

Anyhow, it wasn't just his main numbers at the top of the ringdown
sequence.  ALL of his numbers were disconnected.

-
wendor@eisley.wa.com
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings)
Subject: What happened to all the Yellow Jackets?
Keywords: Insects, Wasps, Bees, Sting, Ouch
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:55:08 GMT

	Last Summer, there was a plague of Yellow Jackets in the Seattle
area.  News programs carried stern warnings to stay clear of them, with
expert testimony concerning the grave dangers of wasp stings to those who
are allergic to them.  Bee sting first aid kits were, I was told, a hot
item.  So what's happened to them now?

	I have hardly seen any this year, and I'm one of those who gets
excited and screams and dances when they're around.  I've seen nothing
about bees or wasps on the news or in the papers.  What's going on?  Am I
unique in having a wasp-free summer?

	Disclaimer:  Yes, I do get out.

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From: ekirby@buckeye.boeing.com (Elizabeth Kirby)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,misc.forsale,pnw.forsale
Subject: Pinto for sale
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:43:12 GMT
Reply-To: ekirby@buckeye.boeing.com (Elizabeth Kirby)


For sale:

	1971 Pinto.   Runs, sort of (it has a problem with the starter).   Comes
with spare engine (with transmission).   $250 obo

	Contact Beth at ekirby@espresso.boeing.com or 865-3524
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Looking for Redskins Fans
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:46:51 GMT

In article <mPPTPB3w165w@eisley.wa.com> ace@eisley.wa.com (Ace of Death) writes:
>I used to go to Hooters in Florida since they had a Sat. dish and showed 
>the games every week, but now I'm here.

Yeah.  That's why *I* went to Hooters.  Because of the TV.  Yeah, that's
it.

It had *nothing* to do with the beautiful women in the skimpy orange
shirts.  Naw.  That would be beneath me.  Yeah, that's it!  :-)

Bill
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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce,uw.forsale
From: srini@milton.u.washington.edu (Srini Tridandapani)
Subject: ROOMMATE(S) wanted ASAP 
Summary: U-District, 2/3 br apt.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:00:42 GMT

Male graduate student looking for shared housing with
1 or 2 other students (non-smokers, M/F, grad/undergrad)
in a 2/3 bedroom apartment within walking distance from
HUB.  Would like to move in ASAP.

Please do not reply to this account.  

******************************************
* Please contact: 
*
* JAS at 525-2939
* or email:  jas@george.ee.washington.edu.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bbeer@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Beer)
Subject: Re: What happened to all the Yellow Jackets?
Keywords: Insects, Wasps, Bees, Sting, Ouch
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:36:10 GMT

>I also haven't seen as many of the yellow jackets that plagued us last year,
>but I've seen a different breed this year.  Last year I can only describe them
>as agressive, wide body yellow jackets with a distinctive yellow stripe that
>would swarm over a piece of meat or fruit.  This year I've knocked down 10
>nests on the eaves of my roof (5 in the last week), but these are the longer,
>skinnier version, not as agressive and much slower with a yellow stripe but not
>as defined.  I believe these are referred to as mud wasps.  Most of the hives
>were not bigger than your fist and shaped like a typical nest, but 2 of these
>were open honeycomb style where you could see the larvae(?).  

The open honeycomb type are not yellow jackets, they are paper wasps.  Unless
they are in a place where they are in the way and are likely to be disturbed,
it is not a bad idea to leave them around.  They aren't aggressive (unless
you disturb the nest) and basically just buzz around and do their flower thing
...  They also eat lots of insect pests, and they also feed these to their
larvae (that is what you were seeing).

Incidentally, in this genus (Polistes) it is easy to distinguish the sexes -
the females (which have the sting, since a stinger is a modification of the
ovipositor - egg-laying organ) have a dark triangle face, and straight, club-
shaped antennae.  The males have no sting, a trapezoidal pale face, and the
antennae have a distinct curl at the end.  You can really surprise someone 
if you know the difference..(but make damn SURE you know the difference!)..
by reaching out and nonchalantly picking up a wasp....:)

So I'm wondering
>what makes my house so desirable, I'd like to prevent them from building here
>because it's only a matter of time before I get a large nest in the attic.  
>

The paper wasps usually die off in the winter, and so they won't normally
develop into the huge nests that yellojackets can make...I think the biggest
one I ever saw is about 8" wide.  Still...I guess I wouldn't really be too
enamoured of them up in the attic...

Bob
Xref: sparky seattle.general:2565 misc.consumers.house:10823
From: joebob@cs.washington.edu (Joe Sherman)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Recommendation for Masonry Restoration
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:40:12 GMT
Reply-To: joebob@cs.washington.edu
Distribution: seattle
Organization: 'Department of Computer Science, University of Washington'

I have a brick home in North Seattle that needs some tuckpointing
resoration work (two walls and the chimney).

Can anyone recommend a masonry firm?  Any to avoid?

Thanks,

Joe Sherman
joebob@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Subject: How do you get fast police action?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:33:39 GMT


	Saturday early morning I was on my way home on bicycle when I
	spotted the strange sight of a young man on a bike with a TV
	carton balanced on the handlebar about to begin descending
	a rather steep street. It struck me as foolish that anyone 
	would haul such a large object in so dangerous a fashion at 
	dark (It was only 4 am). This was 2 blocks from my home.
	Just a block from there, I noticed the pile of glass shards
	from a broken window of a car. In the backseat of the car,
	on the far side, was a large TV (or VCR) carton. I put two 
	and two together, raced home, called 911 and reported my 
	speculation. The person who answered the call asked if I 
	witnessed the breaking in or the burglary.  I said no. "In that 
	case there is nothing we can do Sir," she assured me, "We are 
	all quite busy here. It'll be at least 2 hours before an officer 
	can get a hold of you, that is, if you wish to speak to an 
	officer." I explained to her that there was still another box 
	sitting in the car and that the thief might come back for it.
	I also gave her the direction in which the bicyclist was going.
	Having seen a cop near the Gas Works Park, a few blocks before 
	where I saw the thief, I asked her if they could at least despatch 
	a patrol car to see if they could apprehend the bicyclist. I was 
	told that they would look into it and I hung up the phone. I 
	picked a spot near a window from where I could observe the vandalized 
	car and waited a while but gave up the vigil when the traffic 
	in the area started to pick up. In the morning, sure enough, I 
	found out that the other box had been filched too. (The owner of 
	the car told me that the boxes indeed contained a TV and a VCR)

	I am wondering if I should have taken the other box for safekeeping
	till the morning. Would it have been bad judgement? How could I have
	got the cops interested? Tell them that I suspected that there 
	was drugs in the box still left in the car so at least that one 
	box could have been saved from being stolen?
	
							- Nagarajan
From: nick@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Nick Leiterman)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Guns and Suicide, Medical Examiner's Rprt
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:46:18 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

I didnt read the article, but I heard that it made the statemant 
that suicide is 5 time more likely to happen
if there is a gun in the home.

My question is, how many of those suicides were commited using
a gun?  Just because there was a gun in the home dosnt mean it
was used in the suicide.  I could probably do a study to show
that many more suicides occur in homes that have cable TV.  I havent
read the article or the study but the wording of that statement
makes me skeptical.  Does anyone have the actual numbers from
the study?

-- 
     Nick Leitermann
     Seattle Washington
     nick@bcstec.boeing.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Guns and Suicide, Medical Examiner's Rprt
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:40:25 GMT

 I don't take the paper so I have not read the article, but from 
 reading the posts several thoughts come to mind.
 
 In the absence of a suicide note, failed and successful attempts
 to commit suicide using means other than guns would probably not
 be recognized or reported as such.
 
 I think that gunshot wounds have to be reported to the police
 by the doctor or hospital, while such things as "accidental"
 drug overdoses, carbon monoxide poisoning and most knife 
 wounds probably aren't.
 
 An anecdotal example:  I was talking to a Dr. several years ago,
 and he related a recent experience of a weekend emergency to 
 repair a serious cut on the palm of a persons hand.  He said that
 he thought the fellow was aiming for his wrist but missed because
 he either closed his eyes or looked away before making the cut.
 The story was that he was attempting to cut up some frozen food
 and the knife slipped.
 
 I read somewhere quite a while ago that a very large percentage of
 single vehicle auto accidents were probably suicide attempts. 
 And a significant proportion of multiple vehicle accidents were also.

 So, even with out media sensationalism, any study of the connection
 between firearms and suicide attempts woulde, it seems to me, be
 naturally skewed because of the difference in reporting procedures
 and the difficulty of distinguishing suicide attempts and accidents
 when other means are used.
Xref: sparky seattle.general:2716 pnw.general:1862
From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Summary: 3000 users
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:10:21 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

In article <crystal.714330480@glia>, crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
> In <1992Aug20.020348.27344@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
> 
> >In article <markmc.714180909@sierra.com>, markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
> >> I got some e-mail from Bruce King saying he'll be back up by Wednesday or
> >> so.  He said he went to reduce the number of phone lines he was carrying
> >> from 16 to 12, and US West unhooked the wrong ones (i.e. the ones with the
> >> main phone #'s).
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Mark McWiggins           +1 206 822 5200x377 days      Box 31356
> >> markmc@sierra.com        +1 206 632 1905 24 hrs.       Seattle WA 98103-1356
> 
> >     If that happened to Eskimo North, I'd be posting the numbers that were
> >still alive so my customers could still get in.  Some of Seattle Online's
> >customers that I've spoken to told me they received a different story and no
> >alternate number to call.
> 
> >     I publish all of Eskimo North's numbers normally just because things do
> >go wrong with phonelines, modems, etc, and that way users still have a way to
> >get in.  To me it only makes sense to do that.  If that were the cause of
> >Seattle Online's outage then I don't understand why Bruce didn't do that and
> >I also don't understand why it took five days to fix.  Generally when I've
> >had problems of this sort the phone company has taken care of it the same day.
> 
> 
> hmmm... he boasts 3000 users (if I remember reading that correctly) and 
> just cut from 16 lines to only 12 for all those PAYING people?  Doesn't
> sound user-friendly to me...


     This one is something I've had a hard time figuring out too.  We have
just over 100 on Eskimo with 13 lines, and running a Sun 3/180 with 24 megs
of RAM, and at this point I'm looking at adding more lines, more RAM, and
upgrading to a 3/280 CPU.

     How someone can support 3000 users on 16 lines, let alone 12, with a
386 box and 6 megabytes of RAM is beyond me.
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: oshea@fungus.zso.dec.com (Kate O'Shea)
Subject: Orcas Island property for sale
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:51:04 GMT

                     -< Orcas Island waterfront for sale >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    We've decided to sell our Orcas Island Property.  This is high-bank,
    waterfront property with a breathtaking view of Eastsound.  Some
    features:
    
    o 175 feet of shoreline
    o 2.3 acres mossy knolls, trees and a sunny garden area
    o Well and septic system already installed
    o Power and telephone lines run to edge of lot
    o Close to golf course; 10 minutes to Eastsound Village and airport
    o About 15 minutes to ferry
    o Listed at $133,000
    
    If you are interested, please contact Sharon Greer at Orcas Island
    Waterfront and Land Sales, 376-5187.