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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:58:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug19.125806.13525
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug18.152623.22726@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>     <stuff deleted>
>
>>Late last week a conference call was set up between Wolf, Buckley, and
>>Buckley's agent.  The call ended, after a brief discussion, with
>>Buckley exclaiming "Pay me or Trade me", then hanging up on Wolf.
>>It looks like it could be awhile before he's in a Packer uniform.
>    
>    Yeah, I just read about the that exchange and it reminded me of my
>    pre-high school days when I'd get into an argument w/my girlfriend
>    and she'd hang up on me. Or vice versa. Real mature. 
>
>    I say screw it, let the SOB hold out. Try your hand at baseball, Terrell.
>    Spend a couple years on buses making $30,000 a year. Yeah, the Pack will
>    probably suck without him, but they'll suck with him too. Once again, 
>    holdouts and not the improvement of the team is the major source of news
>    out of Green Bay. Oh well, Go Badgers!!!
>

I agree, the Packers should let him sit.  Buckley is being totally 
unrealistic and is acting like a 15 year old.  The interesting thing
is the Packers have made respectable offers throughout the negoitations
(unlike Braatz's initial offers to 1st round picks).  This contract
could have been done before camp if Buckley and his agent would 
get a clue.  Since the Mandarich bust, I've realized the 1st round
picks are not likely to be the savior of a lousy team.  Have fun
in the minor leagues Terrell.

-Todd
From: brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:06:20 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:

>Perhaps, though the guy that seemed to get beat the most was a veteren. Good
>old Alvin Mays. He looked pathetic! I don't think the rest of the Washington
     ^^^^^^^^^^
>db's combined made as many mistakes as he did. I kept thinking that if
>Washington really wanted to win the game, all they needed to do was take
>Mays out of the game.

Do you mean #40 Alvin Walton or #20 Alvoid Mays?  Walton is a recently
displaced strong safety who is known for his hitting and pretty weak in
pass coverage.  Mays is a nickel back, reserve CB who seems to be good
in a zone but definitely NOT Darrel when it comes to man-2-man.

I wasn't impressed with Walton, but I feel that Mays is a fine 3rd Corner.

-- 

					   --Brian Cox--
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From: ae935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jon Waler)
Subject: Need One More Fantasy Player!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:07:49 GMT


The first person to respond to this will get the only remaining
team.  Here are the details.


Ok here are the rules.  There is a $15 fee to join the league
which will help cover my expenses and time in calculating
results every week.
 
 
 
 
                    FANTASY FOOTBALL RULES
-------------------------------------------------------------
1) All franchise owners shall draft their teams by sending
in draft lists (this will be explained later).
 
2) The draft order shall be randomly determined, and the
order will be reversed in even-numbered rounds.  Each
franchise owner will select 16 players from the following
categories: quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers,
tight ends, and kickers.
 
3) Each franchise owner shall submit a starting lineup of
one quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, one
tight end, and one kicker to the league commissioner by
Friday at 8:00 PM Eastern Time.  If no lineup is submitted,
it shall be assumed to be the same as the previous week's
lineup.
 
4) Touchdowns shall be worth 6 points, touchdown passes
worth 4 points, field goals worth 3 points, and extra points
count as 1 point.  All scores from 50 or more yards shall
be doubled in value.
 
5) Franchise owners may place a player on the league's
injured reserved list if he is on the NFL's injured reserve
or inactive list, or if he is listed as "Out" on the
NFL's weekly injury report.  Once a player has been
activated by his NFL team or no longer appears as "Out"
on the injury report, he must leave the fantasy injured
reserve list.
 
6) If a player isn't on a fantasy team, he is considered
to be a free agent.  Franchise owners may obtain a free
agent by sending a message to the commissioner.  A player
must also be released or placed on the injured reserve
list to add a free agent.  If two or more owners try
to sign the same free agent, the team that gets him is
the one who sent the earliest message.
 
7) If two or more franchise owners wish to trade players
they may do so by contacting the commissioner.  No trades
shall be permitted after the kickoff of the first NFL
game on November 8th (week 10).
 
8) Any trade may be vetoed by the commissioner or a simple
majority of the owners.  The commissioner's veto may be
overturned by a majority vote.
 
9) The schedule and conference/division alignments shall
shall be prepared by the commissioner.  Depending on
league size, the teams shall play a 13 or 14 week regular
season, with the following 2 or 3 weeks used for the
playoffs.
 
10) Official NFL tie breakers will break ties in record.
 
11) Game ties stand in the regular season, and count as
half a win and half a loss.  For playoff games, coaches
submit "Sudden Death" orders of their eight non-starters,
and should the teams tie, the overtime players are
compared against each other one at a time.  The next
tie breaker is total offensive yardage of the six starting
field players, then total distance of all scores.


jw
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES News
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:49:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug21.174817.24645@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> 
> Haven't seen any Eagles postings lately so I figured I'd post
> the happenings of the past week.
> 
> The Birds also signed LB Byron Evans, WR Calvin Williams, and
> PK Roger Ruzek.  That leaves TE Keith Jackson as the only
> unsigned offensive starter.  On defense, the Eagles are still
> without the services of All-Pro CB Eric Allen, and S Andre
> Waters.
> 
> Joe Dakes

Channel 6 news said Waters was signed late yesterday on the 5:30 newscast

pete clark
att!hos1cad!seth
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:29:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Terry McDaniel
Organization: work
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>/ hpdmd48:rec.sport.football.pro / correa@vax.sonoma.edu / 10:10 pm  Aug 12, 1992 /
>I was watching the Raider game last saturday and didn't see Terry 
>McDanial play at corner. Does anybody know what happend to him.?
>
>
>
>Silver&Black
>"Raiders are back with the Silver and Black Attack"
>
>----------


	I think, but am not sure, that McDaniel is a holdout, along
	with Davis and Townsend.


++++++++++++++++++++
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Robbie Keen
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.021551.443@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
>Several far-flung 49er fans had asked about Robbie Keen's status this year.
>The 49ers had been looking at him to help with their woeful kicking game.
>Unfortunately, he was released on Tuesday. I remember him being an
>excellent kicker at Bezerkley (which irritated me no end, being a
>Stanford man myself), so I was surprised that he didn't catch on with the
>49ers. All I can say is that he must have kicked pretty poorly in practice
>if he couldn't even beat out Hatcher, Prokop, and Cofer.
     Does that mean Cofer has won the job?  He is still hooking every one
of his kicks to one side, even on extra points.  I rememberred Bill Walsh
said last year that the Niners had corrected Cofer's habit of hooking his
kicks to one side, but it reappeared last season.  It should help to have
Steve Bono as the holder.
     Between  Joe Prokop and Dale Hatcher, I would choose Prokop.  Dale
Hatcher is awful, even worse than Barry Helton and MoJo.

>=============================================================================
>Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
>Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
>Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
>"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
>=============================================================================

Edward Hui
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buckley to play Bball ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:06:10 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com


Reports yesterday state that Tyrell Buckley, CB, 1st round pick for the
Packers has signed a minor league baseball contract with the Atlanta 
Braves.  Any cheezeheads have more info....

In Bears news...  It looked like Jay Hildenberg, free agent center, was about
to be signed.  His agent, Steve Zucker,  had good negotiations with the Bears, 
& the Bears made a solid proposal.  However,  this morning,  Jay rejected the 
proposal & no more negotiations are planned.


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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bears news and notes
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:04:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

The following is taken from this weeks issue of the Bear Report.

Ditka promises more discipline.  Ditka said that in the past 
"here's where my thinking went.  These are men.  And I would
assume somewhere along the line that football would be 
important to them and I really didn't want to let side issues
like Perry's weight to become more important than the main
issue.  Now, I agree it should be more important, because he's 
not going to play unless the wieght's down.  That was a disgrace
last year and when I see the films I'm ticked off more at
myself than anything else for letting him go on the field.  And
I don't care that he played good at times.  He also played
terrible at times."
On Neal Anderson, Ditka has this to say: "The relationship is
strained because he strained it and it'll stay strained
probably...He didn't do his job very well last season.  If you're
hurt, you're hurt.  Don't play.  But don't B.S. me.  Don't tell
me you're capable of playing and then play sub-par."

Also, another interesting note about Ditka - This season he begins
the longest continuous coaching tenure of any Bear coach.  It will
be Ditka's 11th season as coach.  Halas coached 40 seasons, but they 
were in four 10 year stints.

Chris Zorich took karate leasons in the off-season to improve his
quickness and has also bulked up to 180lbs.  Bear coaches have been
impressed with Zorich so far this training camp.

Shaun Gayle suffered a fractured arthiritic bone spur in his right hip.
He is expected to be out 3-5 weeks, and could be back in time for the
season opener Sept. 6.  

Rookie cornerback Jeremy Lincoln has a sprained left knee, which is
likely to force him onto the injured reserve.  This would practically
mean that he is out for the season, since to activate him the Bears 
would have to expose him to waivers.

The first cuts of the year: Mark Bounds (P), Brendan Lynch (LB),
Marlon Primous (S), Tom Backes (T), Charles Boyce (CB) and Jeff
Ireland (K).  Peyton Minter (DE) left camp on his own and was waived.

After Monday's 34-31 loss to New Orleans, it's back to Plattevill 
through August 13.

---------------
Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Redskins impressions (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:00:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.182045.2427@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>
>How many years has it been since Green bothered entering the "NFL's fastest
>man" competition?
>

No more than two years...I remember catching the competition last year
or the year before, and Darrell was there, and still undefeated.

Gerald

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From: Fil Sapienza <Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:45:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan - Surgery Tech Svc
     <23520@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
     <1992Aug12.133604.22466@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Re: The Trade Rumors

How about Andre Ware of Detroit for Desmond Howard of Washington?
Would the Redskins go for it?  Granted, Ware still has a lot to prove,
but his main problems are largely confidence related, not athletic
ability.   

-------------------
Fil Sapienza
University of Michigan - Surgery Technology Services
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,wi.general
From: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (tanj)
Subject: Looking for Packer tickets
Originator: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Scuba_One
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:10:47 GMT

Looking for either preseason or regular season Packer tickets (home
or away).

Jeff
tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

-- 
Jeffrey A Tangen   email: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu  
"...I promise not to keep you long.  I'll keep you forever..."
From: barbara@msc.edu (Barbara Bryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Leroy Hoard
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:18:23 GMT
Reply-To: barbara@msc.edu
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN

Does anyone have an injury report on Leroy Hoard? 
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:07:50 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ronnie Lott

>
I was talking to a friend about his screwed up
finger and I mentioned that I thought I had read or 
heard that Ronnie Lott, becoming frustrated with some
kind of slow healing finger tip injury, had the
tip of that finger removed.
Now I'm wondering if I really did hear that or
if it was some beer induced hallucination.
Lott fans?
>

Yep. He had an injury to a finger that the docs said would take a while
to heal, and that he would not be able to play until it healed
sufficiently. He asked them if he could play if it was cut off. They
were a little taken aback, but told him yes. He said cut it off. They
did. Now he wears a funny-looking glove on one of his hands.....As the
sportscasters are fond of saying with regards to this situation: "Now
*THAT'S* dedication" :D

--Vernon.
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Info wanted...
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:58:07 GMT

  I'll be writing an NFL preview within a week or so and would love to
  hear some inside info on people who seriously follow their team. Most
  preview mags just aren't too up-to-date. Any info concerning holdouts
  - who is close to signing, not close, etc. -, who the probable starters
  are, who has looked good in camp, any surprise players or teams, etc.,
  would be helpful. Just think, a chance to ramble on and on about your
  team to someone who is actually listening and wants to hear what you're
  saying! ;)
  
  Seriously, any and all replies would be greatly appreciated.
  
  --salty (paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
  
  p.s. I missed the game, but over the net I get the impression that Troy
  Vincent did okay in his first NFL game. Any other impressions?
  
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:26:13 GMT

From article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko):
> 
> I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
> Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
> 
>      Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>      Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>      Marcus Allen        Raiders
>      Ron Brown           Raiders
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ummmmm....no, I don't think so.  Ron Brown is the dude that used to run
track.  He got a medal in the '84 Olympics for the 4x100 relay.  I think
you meant Timmy Brown from Notre Dame.  Also, add Vinnie Testeverde to
the list.


>      Ty Detmer           ????????
> 
> 
> any others you can think of ??????
> -- 
> *****************************************************************************
> Jeff Bokenko                       CONFUCIOUS SAY:  "He who fishes in another
> bokenko@beethoven.cs.colostate.edu           man's well, often catches crab."
> *****************************************************************************
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Gary Clark - 8/15/92
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:18:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 23723@oasys.dt.navy.mil, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>Apparently Gary Clark bought two vehicles that were stolen from a Nissan 
>dealership in Charlottesville, VA. 
>
>Clark said that he bought the Pathfinder from a friend for $11,000 "around 
>Christmas time" as a present for his parents. 

I think Clark should learn to choose his "friends" more carefully. :-)



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From: bortnick@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eric Turner
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:58:19 EST



 What a Stud. I was watching Eric against the Giants and I was very 
 impressed with his ability to lay a hurt on the opponent. I can see
 why they called him E-Rock at U.C.L.A. The guy is in the great 
 tradition of Kenny Easley and Don Rodgers, but I think he is a
 better athlete. Many DB's only make a tackle when they have to. Eric
 is in on every play. He is always putting his hat directly on the ball
 which is going to lead to many turnovers this year. I truly believe
 Eric can have the same impact for the Browns that Ronnie Lott had
 for the Niners.

 Go Browns!
 Mr. Sfi
From: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Super Bowl Stats - HELP!
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey)
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248

HI All,
   I am *hoping* that someone can help me.  I am looking for TWO sets
of Super Bowl stats.

SET 1:  Looking for ALL Super Bowl final POINTSPREADS


SET 2:  Looking for the FINAL Regular season stats for both teams
        playing in the Super Bowl...for ALL Super Bowl games.  This info
        includes, but is not limited to, offensive and defensive 
        measures of PENALTY yards, rushing & passing average, etc.

   I would appreciate any leads that anyone can provide, ie: library
   book names, etc.  I will GLADLY accept ANY INFO that anyone can email
   as long as it is factual! ;-}  Thanks in advance!

Take care,

Mark E. Savey
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.141826.11171@colorado.edu>, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
> Nothing is more frustrating than getting screwed by a bad call that would
> obviously be overturned by the replay.  I'd rather have the little delay a
> few times a game than lose on a bad call.

The concept of instant replay is a good one - the referees are human and
make mistakes so let's review their decisions and correct the wrong ones.
But the implementation was terrible - allow other humans with no
refereeing experience to review the decisions.

And it was more than a little delay a few times per game.  It was a long
delay on numerous occasions.  And the replay official is not guaranteed
to make the right call.  One replay official will rule inconclusive while
another would have overturned the same call.

Perhaps the NFL will come up with a better way to implement it, but as it
was it sucked.

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: duncan@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Duncan)
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc. San Jose, California
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:26:20 GMT

Let's keep those rumors flying...  Anyone else hear this one:

	Jay Novacek for Brent Jones...


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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:50:34 GMT

In article <20463@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.171955.5358@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> >The concept of instant replay is a good one - the referees are human and
> >make mistakes so let's review their decisions and correct the wrong ones.
> >But the implementation was terrible - allow other humans with no
> >refereeing experience to review the decisions.
> 
> Bull.  That is complete garbage.  You can't let referees do instant replay,
> because they never want to overrule the field officials (they feel wrong
> to do that).
>
> The way to implement instant replay is to hire 14 people who know nothing 
> about refereeing, train them to know all the rules, and then let them
> be replay officials, because they will have no ties to field officials.

Whether the replay officials have refereeing experience or not, they should
be trained officials.  As it was, the clowns behind the dark glass reviewing
the decisions had neither.  Which was part of the Instant Replay problem.
But I still say ex-refs would be best because they have experience under
game conditions and know what to look for.

You can have all the training in the world, but without experience you don't
cut it.  Look no further than the unemployed college grads for proof.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd