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From: waller@hfglobe.intel.com (Shawn Waller)
Subject: A Star Trek store in Eugene?
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:51:36 GMT

I heard a rumor that there is a Star Trek store in Eugene, Or.  Is
there any truth to this rumor?  Please EMail me any help you can.

Thanks

Live Long and Prosper

Shawn
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Who made it accross the street first, the chicken or the egg?
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: SPOILER? - Shapeshifter in "The Undiscovered Country"
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:21:32 GMT

In <1993Jan10.190533.18246@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing) writes:




















>Dunno if it's considered a spoiler a year later, but does anyone know the
>race of the shapeshifter that tries to kill Kirk on Rura Pente (sp?).

She was a Chameloid (sp?)

Daniel.
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From: keith@pro-amber.cts.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re: X-rated Trek
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 16:34:24 PST

Junsok,
I couldn't agree more.  I've always thought assuming deep friendship
between people of the same sex had to involve a sexual relationship was
ridiculous.  As for why I think Kirk and Spock could not be homosexually
involved with each other, let's just say it does not fit in with my
perception of their characters and leave it at that.  (Incidentally, for
the record, I am not a homophobe.  I am not afraid of them, or of being
around them, or of getting AIDS from casual contact with one or anything
else.  My attitude is, I may not approve, but their lifestyle choice is up
to them.  I would welcome friendship with a homosexual as easily as I would
with anyone else, though I think there might be some initial problems if
that person was a woman since I'm not gay.)  Sorry, I know I got off the
subject--didn't mean to. 
--Gamin Davis
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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:55:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.143118.8159@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>I'm not sure if this is the right place to talk about the new
>series "Space Rangers," but since it is supposed to bring
>competition to ST I thought I would.
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>I thought that show was abolutely horrible.  I think I realized it was
>going to be bad when the captain said the unforgettable lines: "some
>might consider us misfits, but I considers us family."  Gag!  Anyways,
>the plot was terrible, the special effects were weak at best, and their
>version of Data was a bit of a cliche.  All in all I'd give it a D-.
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>Dan


I must agree.  I thought that with the talk of this series being
strong competition for TNG and DS9 it would at least be worth a look.
I though it was very possibly the worst science-fiction series I have
ever seen!  It ranked right up there with Buck Rogers and the like.

	If this is supposed to be competition for anything, they
should at least pit it against an equally pathetic show...I mean just
because they hide behind lots of techno-speak doesn't make it a good
universe...

Regards,

J.Marc Chabot
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From: ckalin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Christopher Allen Kalin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Warp Speed Info PLEASE!!!!!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:30:37 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: ckalin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup for this, but does anyone have THE
difinitive formula (or formulae) for warp speed (i.e.: WF 2=10*speed of
light)?  I own the ST:TNG Technical Manual, which lists SOME warp speeds,
but I cannot extrapolate a formula from them.  A: They are integer
approximations. B: Even if they were exact, there is no data for above Warp
9, and this is where the curve supposedly starts changing.

This data in the ST:TNG Tech Manual invalidates FASA's W^3 and W^5 and even
shoots the stuff from Leon Myerson's WARPTE.TXT down the tubes.  Does anyone
have _canon_ information?

Thanks in advance.

Chris Kalin
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.collecting,rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Re: Technical Manual
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:36:17 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

d246@uni05.larc.nasa.gov (Braden Glen) writes:

>   I have an orginal printing Star Trek Technical Manual. Does anyone know the
> current value? I have a friend who wants to buy it off me, but I don't think 
> he given me a serious offer...

Why does your friend want to buy yours, when he can go to any bookstore
and buy an identical one, newly printed?

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pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  sweat and drool of dogs."
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From: Wayne.Benner@f148.n114.z1.tvbbs.UUCP (Wayne Benner)
Sender: FredMail@tvbbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Ethics and Holodeck
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 18:19:59 -0700

Quoted From: J.Marc Chabot 
         To: All 
       Date: 05 Jan 93  21:27:45 

 JC> You know, I just thought of something to add to the
 JC> thread...What if someone was engaged in a little fantasy such as the
 JC> one we've been discussing and then the *real* person enters the
 JC> Holodeck.  Bothe occupants wander around and run into one another.
 JC> The person who programmed the Holodeck would think that the real
 JC> person was only a simulacrum.  What would be the result of such an
 JC> encounter??  I would call it rape.

I think the person would do or say something that would make it obvious
that it was the real person long before it got to that point.  The most
obvious thing they'd say is, "Computer, end program NOW!".

... Ever wonder why DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"?
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From: vince.maiocco@satalink.com (Vince Maiocco)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Transporter question..
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: vince.maiocco@satalink.com (Vince Maiocco)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

OM>I have alwasy wondered why the people in Star Trek have to go to the 
OM>Transporter room to beam to places when in times of crisis they can 
OM>beam directly to the bridge or directly to other places?

As I understand the "mythology" behind this, the supposed reason is that 
there is some degree of danger associated with "doing it direct" and, so, 
this is only done in emergencies.  Although, I believe the real reason 
is a combination of both tradition and the opportunity to vary the 
scenery from scene-to-scene.
LLAP


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From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Ethics and Holodeck
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 JAN 93 19:36:13 GMT

In a previous article, CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> wrote:
>In article <6JAN93.14305288@vax.clarku.edu> lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>I come home one night, and go up to bed.  My wife is already asleep, so I
>>don't turn on the lights.  Now my wife likes to be "resistant" in bed.  When I
>>get in bed, I start to make love, and she is "resistant", just like usual.
>>The next morning I realize that it wasn't my wife, but some girl who had come
>>into my house and slept in my bed (goldilocks?).
>>
>>So, did I rape her?  I had no reason to believe that she wasn't my wife
>>behaving exactly as my wife usually does.  I don't think that this is rape.  I
>>big misunderstanding, yes, but a crime?
>>
>ABSOLUTELY!  It has to be said that even if someone *is* your wife then
>*forcing* her to have sex with you *is* a crime.  Your wife is a human
>being, not your love toy!

I was speaking hypothetically.  I don't believe that women (or wives) are love 
toys, but for the comparison to work the wife had to "Like to be resistant".  
(The keyword is that she likes resisting, not that she seriously resists)  

If your partner likes to play hard to get and resist (and you know this), then 
there is no way to know if she is playing around, being serious, or has been 
replaced by a holodeck simulacrum.  :-)  That is why "no" should always mean 
"no", but in reality some people who say "no" mean "yes".  Can you imagine how 
much more confusing this would get if we really had holodecks?
From: cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Gold Plaque
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:37:20 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Yes, it is indeed a commisioning plaque.  Says something like USS
Enterprise, NCC-1701-D; built in Mars Shipyards, Chief Engineer: Gene
Roddenberry, etc.

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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Transporter question..
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:04:03 GMT

In <1993Jan11.215122.23270@netcom.com> moses@netcom.com (Lamont Cranston) writes:

>bbs.maddox@tsoft.net (Otto Maddox) writes:

>>I have alwasy wondered why the people in Star Trek have to go to the 
>>Transporter room to beam to places when in times of crisis they can beam 
>>directly to the bridge or directly to other places?

>My understanding of this is that while transporting from within a moving
>vessel is possible, it's not real fun or real easy.  The idea is you
>have to know exactly where you ARE and where YOU WANT TO GO.  The idea
>is that a transporter pad is a becon and real easy to spot on sensors or
>whatever they use to lock on.  Of course, with the nifty new transponders
>in the insigina, this kinda gets blown.

Interesting - but actually the reason is that it uses twice as much
energy - to beam someone from the bridge, say, you'd have to beam them
from the bridge to the transporter room, then down to the planet or whatever...
In times of crisis they obviously don't care about this, but normally
you don't take the bus to go around the corner... ;-)
Meaning - if you can walk to the transporter room, why don't you?

Daniel.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: That thing Odo does (DS9 Spoiler Alert!)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:18:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.165402.24733@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> dboese@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Darcy Boese) writes:
>My guess would be that Odo is actually one of the beings from inside the
>wormhole!  By some freak accident, perhaps when one of us linear-beings
>entered the wormhole, he was trapped outside.
>
>Having no concept of linear time, he would not have any memory of where
>he came from... and being one of those non-linear beings, he would have
>the ability to be what he imagines.
>
>Is this too tacky?
> 

Yes. Not to mention far too obvious. I hope they come up with an interesting
origin for Odo, and don't just make him a wormholer...


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From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  7 Jan 93 19:12:07 GMT

In <1993Jan7.155522.22397@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.143118.8159@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>>I'm not sure if this is the right place to talk about the new
>>series "Space Rangers," but since it is supposed to bring
>>competition to ST I thought I would.
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>>going to be bad when the captain said the unforgettable lines: "some
>>might consider us misfits, but I considers us family."  Gag!  Anyways,
>>the plot was terrible, the special effects were weak at best, and their
>>version of Data was a bit of a cliche.  All in all I'd give it a D-.
>I must agree.  I thought that with the talk of this series being
>strong competition for TNG and DS9 it would at least be worth a look.
>I though it was very possibly the worst science-fiction series I have
>ever seen!  It ranked right up there with Buck Rogers and the like.

	I liked Buck Rogers better.  I turned "Space Rangers" off after
less than ten minutes.

	Personally, I don't think any of these new sci-fi shows will work.
Except DS9, which already has the advantage of not being hampered by the
networks, who would screw up anything.

rich.
From: tchua@soda.qmw.ac.uk (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:16:09
Organization: QMW Department of Laws
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In article <1993Jan6.134600.12682@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:


   Holodeck forced a sexual encounter on an unwilling person by mistake
   in the Holodeck because the program was designed to produce a willing
   simulacrum, then that would not be wrong?? 

I don't know the law in the States, but let's see what English law has to
say aboutthis. At this point I'm not debating right or wrong, just what is
legal or illegal.

The definition of rape is sexual intercourse with a woman without consent. 
There are always two components to most crimes - the act itself, and the
state of mind that goes with it. To simplify matters, in this case the 
rape is the act, and the state of mind is whether the defendant knew he
was commiting the act (i.e. without consent). 

The unofrtunate bit is this. In some crimes, the defendant's state of mind
is held to be an objective one - would a reasonable person, given the 
circumstances, have recognised it as being without consent? If so, he
is guilty. But in rape, in English law at least, this state of mind test is
a subjective one - the defendant must believe it to be without consent. If the
defendant thinks, honestly and truly (and the jury believes him), that his
victim was willing, it is not rape. It may be assault, but not rape.

But in this case, even if the test were objective, let's look at it this way. 
Given the circumstances, would a reasonable person have believed that the
simulcacrum (which is in fact a woman) was consenting? Or even capable of
non-consenting in the first place? I think he would be unable to form an intent
in this case.

Again, I'm not saying right or wrong, just what the law is.

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From: cjaeger@bogart.uucp (Cecilia Jaeger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Live - long - and - prosper (?)
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:52:20 GMT
Organization: ism:c:m/xo

In article <C0EM7M.IBJ@wimsey.bc.ca> atekant@wimsey.bc.ca (Argun Tekant) writes:
>I've been having doubts on how this phrase should be interpreted.
>
>Is it:
>	(LIVE LONG) and (PROSPER)

	I'll take choice #1 
>or 
>	Live (LONG and PROSPER)
>
>What do you people thinks?
>
>Argun.
>


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From: frisinv@alleg.edu (Vincent Frisina)
Subject: Cardasians
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:24:08 GMT

   Who are they? What is known about their culture and history? Is there  
any reference to them in TOS?

--
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  12-Jan-1993 1255)
Subject: Re: half.n.half
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 09:54:37 PST
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kubalak@joker.optics.rochester.edu (David Kubalak) asks:

> ... could tell me the name of the
> half black, half white aliens in the original Star Trek series.

From the third-season episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield".
They were named Bele (played by Frank Gorshin) and Lokai (Lou Antonio), and
they came from the planet Cheron.

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From: lindal@goddess.asd.sgi.com (Linda Levy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Lincoln Enterprises
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:42:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I just had a friend ask me if anyone had a current address or phone # for
Lincoln Enterprises. If you do, please reply to 
lindal@asd.sgi.com, 
since I do not subscribe to this net.

Thanks
From: valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Trek Beginnings
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:37:03 GMT
Organization: Terran Empire
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In article <3am2wB2w165w@missing.kludge.com> jcastle@missing.kludge.com (Jeff Castle) writes:

>I enjoyed DS9, 
>but it wasnt quite as 'dark' as I waswishing for.  It seemed to sort of 
>follow the same pattern as most of the other ST:TNGs (i.e., god-type 
>being deciding wether or not humans are worth keeping alive or not)
>But all in all, I really enjoyed it..

	Well, let's see.

	Star Trek originally began with "The Cage," which had 
	God-like beings judging humanity's worth, and deciding 
	we were better than slaves.

	The film series began with "ST: The Motion Picture," which had
	a God-like being judging humanity's worth, and deciding that it
	would rather merge with us and explore human emotions than 
	kill us all.

	The Next Generation began with "Encounter at Farpoint," which had
	a God-like being judging humanity's worth, and deciding that it
	would just show up to annoy us every once in a while.  :)

	Tell me, if Deep Space Nine hadn't started like this . . . . 
	how would we know it was really Star Trek?  :)

	Seriously, though, I've seen a few people complain about the 
	premiere going over familiar ground, but that "familiar ground"
	is really only a reaffirmation of the central themes of Star 
	Trek; namely, "What is the value of Humanity?  Is it unique?
	Do we deserve our place in the universe?"

	And with the admittedly limited format of Star Trek -- which 
	is, despite its philosophical underpinnings, primarily an 
	action-adventure space opera -- there are only so many ways 
	to explore those themes.  You need to have someone outside 
	of humanity to contrast that value; and to have conflict, you
	need to have that outside force have enough power to back up
	its opinions. 

	So it may have looked a little tired and retreaded, but it 
	was indeed a new look at some of the ideas that have 
	seperated Star Trek from other series over the years, and 
	I think it was really the only appropriate way to start as 
	show whose credits proudly read, "Based on Star Trek created 
	by Gene Roddenberry."

	And if nothing else -- it's good fuel for the Deep Space 
	Nine Drinking Game.  ;)

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From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Subject: Re: Worf in ST6?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:16:53 GMT

quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:

>jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau) writes [that's me]:

>>The credits identify him as "Klingon Defense Attorney", and production
>>notes that Paramount supplied at a press screening in New York do
>>indeed say he plays Worf's grandfather.  I believe he is referred to
>>on screen as "Colonel Worf"   [...]

>I distinctly remember being surprised that the credits failed to list
>Michael Dorn.  More minor characters did get a mention, but not Worf.
         ^^^^                                                    ^^^^

You're half right.  The credits do identify "Klingon Defense Attorney"
as Michael Dorn, but they don't give his characters name, so the name
"Worf" never appears.  Not only do I remember this from the theatre,
but I have this full-color brochure Paramount handed out at the
premiere that matches the film credits exactly, even down to the way
they spelled Nichelle Nichols' character: "Uhuru".  (I read somewhere
that this was the "correct" spelling from the Swahili, implying that
"Uhura" has been wrong during these past 25 years.)
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