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From: rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:28:36 GMT

>>>
>>> Refresh my memory. Which year(s) did Michael win the all-star game MVP and
>>>which year(s) was he entered in the 3 point contest?
>>>
>>  I should have mentioned it earlier, but the player would not have to win
>> all the events in the one year.   That would nearly be impossible. 
>
> No , I understood what you meant. I just spaced when he won an all star
>MVP. And I sure don't remember him almost coming close in a 3 point contest.
>I don't doubt any of the above, but as I told Andrew, I don't have a list
>of All-Star MVP's. Andrew  (I think) stated that he won it in 1991 but I
>remember Charles Barkley getting it. I did have the presence of mind to
>find my copy of Peterson's and they remember Barkley winning it in 1991
>as well. I don't doubt MJ won an All-Star MVP, I just don't remember what
>year it was and I don't remember him even being in a 3 point. However, I
>didn't see last year's 3 point contest and so I'm quite in the dark on
>what happened.
>
> So what year *did* Michael win the All-Star MVP? Given that Magic won
>1992 and Charles won 1991, I don't have stats for All Star games so I'm
>actually asking. You guys follow MJ, know his stats and all. I'm just
>looking for the answer. Remember, there is a seeker born every minute. :-)
>
>
>    Ed
>
>-- 
>   __
> /--   __/
>(___, (_/rury@3cpu.rain.com

I'm pretty sure he won both the Dunk comp and Allstart MVP in the one weekend inthe 87-88 season (will have to confirm the year).   That was when he did the 
dunk from the free throw line and score 40+ in the allstar game.   I will
concede that he has not come that close to wining the 3-pt shoot out, but he    had to be in the top few 3-pt shooters to qualify.   My statement was that he
would be the only person capable of winning all three events.    So far he has  two under his belt, and the way he shot against Portland in the first play-off  game he would be a chance to accomplish the trifector before the end of his
career.    I'm not a huge fan of Jordan, but I still think he is the best and 
most exciting player to play NBA basketball.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Basketball Hall Of FAme
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:55:16 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.062801.11445@nuscc.nus.sg> med50005@nusunix2.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT) writes:
>Where is the Basketball Hall Of Fame?  I'm thinking of visiting the US
>sometime next year, and would like to pay this place a visit.
>

Springfield, Mass.
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Who's who on RSBP (libelous)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:45:09 GMT

In article <92239.140200IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>name             slogan
>----             ------
>Dave Meeks      `wuggawuggawuggawuggawugga<much deleted>wuggawugga...'
>Andrew Markham  `That wasn't a fuckup.  I, um, did it on purpose!  Yeah!'
>Bill M..-Smith  `Facts!  All, IMHO, facts!'
>Gidi Avraham    `Jordon is Gad, but that doesn't mean I'm unreasanoble.'
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Venk Reddy      `I wasn't talking to you.  Or you either.  Where was I?'
>Ed Lor          `GLAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGHHHHH!' (He says it's a syllogism.)
>
>/Meeks/Kh:j
>/l/Kh:j
>/o/Kh:j
>/r/Kh:j

I must say that I think you have Gidi and I mixed up.  Did I mean to say
that?  Oh yeah, yeah, I did...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Clips News (Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  2 Sep 92 16:48:47 GMT

edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov writes:


>  The SF Chronicle reported today that the deal was 1) the Knicks sending
>Mark Jackson to the Clips 2) the Knicks sending 1st round picks in 93
>and 97 to the Magic; 3) the Clips sending Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, and
>Bo Kimble to the Knicks; 4) the Clips sending a 1st round pick (unnamed year)
>to the Magic; 5) the Magic sending Stanley Roberts to the Clips.
>  So, as I read it, the Magic get three 1st rounders for Roberts (good),
>the Knicks get Smith, Rivers, and Kimble, plus they get rid of Jackson
>(very good), and the Clips get Jackson and Roberts (hmmm).

>  BUT, of course, this is all moot, since Roberts exercised his no-trade
>clause and vetoed the whole deal.  One would think he might be excited
>about leaving Orlando for L.A., but the article said that he is angry
>that the Magic didn't inform him that they were working on a deal.

Nobody on the net has mentioned that Roberts would get an automatic 15% 
raise if he is traded.  I guess nobody mentioned it to Stanley, either :-)

Someone else asked why the Knicks would take Doc and Bo in the trade.
Somebody has to jack the ball up so Smith can get the rebound.  Both of
those players fit that role to a "T".

In other Clipper news, predicated on the trade, the Clips were going to 
release William "shoulda stood in" Bedford to free up salary for the 
signing of Elmore Spencer.

No comment from this Clippers fan.
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:25:05 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep1.165000.6798@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>> Weren't the Pan Am games held in Cuba? As I recall, Shaq was very opposed to
>>playing in a communist country. This was the reason he didn't play.
>
>
>1. Stinking rich
>2. Family values
>3. Anti communist rhetoric (especially when it means taking the summer off)
>
>Looks like the perfect running mate for Pat Buchanan.

You forget, Shaq has yet to say that he hates Jews.
Not to mention, Pat dont like black people.
>
>
>--Gidi
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lloyd Danielsd (was Re: Spurs Update)
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:57:11 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug26.223726.9680@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>If Daniels turns into an NBA player, then who would the "most 
>recruiting hype to never do diddley" mantle fall to? Larry Bird?

No fair asking for the list Ken. I would say off the top of my head
(the list) it would have to be Tito Horford who got LSU,UCLA, and
Louisville investigated, was the key to Miami's new program, and was
compared to all the great centers, yet was an average college center
and didn't do "diddly" in the NBA. Chris Washburn was at least a good
college player. Kevin Walls would probably make the list too(former
LSU recruit).




Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather, and ask
for it back again when it begins to rain."
                                          Robert Frost
********************************************************************************





>Ken B. 


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:25:54 GMT

vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>|> andrew vlahov: [...]
>
> [...] I don't remember Stanford ever winning the NIT. DId it happen?

Yes, it did happen, 17 months ago.

Isn't it amazing how neither side in this discussion has *any* grasp
on reality?


--Gidi

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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: When's Larry's jersey gonna be retired?
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:09:28 GMT


In article <hiew.715587245@wambenger>, hiew@cs.uwa.oz.au (HIEW Hong Liang) writes:
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|> Subject: When's Larry's jersey gonna be retired?
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|> 
|> When is Larry Bird's No. 33 gonna be officially retired by the Celts? I
|> assume it'll be during one of their home games. Which one?
|> 
|> While on the subject, when's his jersey gonna be retired by Indiana
|> State?
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> hiew.
|> 
 
They are having a special (non-game) ceremony at the garden.  They will be
selling tickets, all proceeds to charity.

Murph
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Mike
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:04:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: rdesai@ee.uwm.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 15:29:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.152918.8233@uwm.edu> rdesai@ee.uwm.edu (Rajiv Desai) writes:

\  What are all these fuss about Jordan, Bird and Magic? Sure they are all-time
\   greats. But when it comes to the game there is nobody better than Mike. How
\ many times the game is on line and ball in his hand and the whole world knows
\   what he is to do and opposition also know and still watch him destroy them.
\   This purely amazing.

All these fuss come since much people as you only know little much of 
history respect of the hoopdy ball.  It knowd that some of people only
knowing the Michael have ball in hand and the tongue outing of mouth and
jumpdy very so highest and not to be muchly stopped.  What needed to
remembered is Bird and Magic also win much game coming at end.  Plus,
theys keeped teamate happydy and at finish there side somehowed beated. 



Sorry, couldn't stop myself.

Standard disclaimer applies:
Lighten up, it's just a joke. 8^)
Furthermore, don't associate my tomfoolery with the Federal
Reserve System.
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:23:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Sep3.002337.9825
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

>In article <1992Aug31.053957.28254@leland.Stanford.EDU>, terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>
>
>>About the Olympics, he said that he was very disappointed that he was not
>>selected for the Dream Team.  He said he was disappointed for himself, for
>>his family, and LSU.   He said that he definitely wants to be on the team
>>in 96, or the year 2000 if he does not make the 96 team.
>
> He has absolutely no right to whine about this!  If Shaq had made himself
>available for the world championships, Pan Am games, etc, when USA Basketball
>really needed him, then maybe he would have a case.  Laettner had put in his
>time, and deserved the slot.  Jimmy Jackson would have been another worthy
>choice.
>
>--Rob Clough

Is the Shaq really whining, or just giving his standard answer to the question
that he has been asked 9 gazillion times?  Sensitive, aren't we.  Lighten up :-)

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
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From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Subject: Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade
Originator: adam@acapella
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:49:08 GMT


In article <2AA270A5.1272@orion.oac.uci.edu>, snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu (Son Nguyen) writes:
|> Since noone has mentioned it...
|> 
|> I saw a blurp on ESPN last night stating that the Clips will get
|> Stanley Roberts and Mark Jackson, the Knicks will get *Charles Smith*,
|> Doc Rivers and Bo Kimble, and the Magic will get some draft picks
|> (don't remember what/when...).  I'm not sure if it's a done deal or
|> just a rumor.  Anyone has more???  If it goes thru, looks like NY


What??  Can anyone confirm this?  (At least the report, if not the
trade?)  I don't understand.  It doesn't really make sense for the
Knicks.  Are you sure they were to get Rivers and Kimble?  Smith I can
understand.  But the Knicks currently have Gerald Wilkins, Rolando
Blackman, rookie Hubert Davis, 2nd-year PG Greg Anthony, John Starks,
and Mark Jackson.  There's no way they're going to carry 6 guards, and
if they move Jackson and end up with Rivers and Kimble, they'll have
7!  And it would be uncharacteristic of the (now) solid Knicks front
office to trade more draft picks after swapping their '95
first-rounder for Rolando Blackman.

Any ideas on what's going on?  (Charles Smith would be a great help,
since the Knicks aren't getting Harvey Grant and the only forwards on
the team are Charles Oakley, Xavier McDaniel, and Anthony Mason.)

Also, can anyone refresh my memory about the Tim McCormick factor?
How long until he misses the necessary # of games, and what will the
Knicks get?  (I think it's a Houston draft pick?)  THANKS!

-- 
--								-Adam
==========================================================================
           Adam Porter                    adam@research.nj.nec.com
NEC Research Institute:609/951-2568  4 Independence Way,Princeton,NJ,08540
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Spurs Update
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:02:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Spurs

The Spurs signed Vinnie Del Negro with the intention of
making him their starting point guard. According to local
news report, the contract calls for $11 mil guaranteed for
six years. This for a player who was second-round draft
pick (29th overall in 1988), who has never been an NBA
starter, and who may not even be a point guard.

But the Spurs like him. Bob Bass said that he followed
Del Negro around the 1988 tryout camps and was very 
impressed. Of course, this doesn't explain why the Spurs
chose the immortal Sheldon Jones with the 27th pick in 
the '88 draft. Anyway, the Spurs feel like they have a
player with a "point guard mentality," who won't make a
lot of mistakes, who is big (6'5"), and who can hit an
open jump shot. They claim that no deal for another guard
was ever seriously in the works; that Del Negro was the
player they wanted all along.

Del Negro himself admits that it will take him at least a 
half a season to adjust to the NBA. No doubt Tim Hardaway,
John Stockton, Kevin Johnson, and Terry Porter will be
only too happy to help him adjust.

After he passed a team physical, the Spurs also signed
34-year old F-C Larry Smith to a one-year deal, for $700,000.
Smith only played a half season last year, but if healthy
should help the club.

The Spurs like the current mix of talent on their club, but
feel like they are still one quality player away. (Some might
suggest that that player is a starting point guard.) The
current lineup of definites and hopefuls follows:

DEFINITE           HOPEFUL  
C Robinson         Copa*

F Elliott
  Carr
  Smith
  Green

G Anderson         Sutton
  Del Negro        James
  Ellis            Othick
  Daniels

* Someone posted that Copa had been released. Maybe, but he is
  traveling with the team on a South Texas promotional tour.

Since they'll go with Del Negro and Daniels (see below) at point,
I'd say they could use more help behind Robinson. 

Re Daniels, Jerry Tarkanian expects to play him a lot. The Shark
says that if a guy has talent, you give him the PT. That's great
if you're on a youth movement, but this team is supposedly 
a title contender. 

Paul
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Keywords: Shaquille O'Neal
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:07:56 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug31.193156.9909@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>Just a qn. concerning the Olympic selection process.. How come Shaq not
>get the nod over the over-rated Laettner ? Did the people incharge (USA
>BASKETBALL) offer an explanation ? 

I heard some crap about his game not suiting international play (with zone
and that).  Actually it might have been here that I heard it.

But if that is true, then why take Robinson or Ewing.  Ewing's 3ptr against
the Celts, doesn't count as an outside game.

I also heard the same nonsense about experience playing in walla walla --
I mean World Championship/Pan Am games.

Or maybe that too was from these pathetic Leattner Sympathizers..
>
>
>Just curious !!
>
>Harry@Princeton.
>
> 

___
"Got to get to the game."   "You'll need these."  "Arrrrrghhhh"

   Until the lions have their historians,
   tales of the hunted will always glorify the hunter.

               - African proverb
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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics? (was Re: Boston Celtics' Rick Fox)
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:31:11 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <94500@bu.edu>, sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
|> 
|> Barry is a shooting guard with SOME passing skills but not a point guard.
|> He was meant to be a back-up to Reggie.

Oops.. my mistake. Is he gonna hang around? Or are they using him as 
trade bait, as rumors say? Or did he hold out too long for rookie camp?

Thanks for the info...

-- Venk --
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Mike
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:39:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <55880@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.153831.26828@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>>have gotten a little hint of what Larry did on a regular basis in the 80's... A
>>great in-your-face impossible shot that won a game on the line. Please don't
>                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Actually Venk, he was over the line, not on it , but I'm glad that you
>to admit it wasn't a 3.    
>

Oh no, don't tell Ed, he'll claim Venk is on his side :-)


-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: thanks ed and dave
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:31:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <21027@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.181326.11211@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>> Now, go ahead, I dare you not reply.
>
> Oh yeah? Well I double dare ya.......
>
>
>				gln

Oh, no!  GaRy has joined this too?!?  Yarrrrrrgggggghhhh!  Oh well, I guess
I'll have to hit 'K' right now...
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:42:20 GMT

In article <5600@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>|> Purely poetic.
>
>Yes. And you've helped my case quite nicely too. <g>

You noted that Jordan scored on all 4 of the clips I posted.  That's funny,
one of thim had him swatting a shot of Ewing's into the stand.  How did 
Jordan score off of that?

>|> As for quotes, how about these...
>|> 
>|> Bird, "Michael Jordan is God disguised as a basketball player."
>|> 
>|> Magic (in response to Arsenio Hall's question, "Who is the greatest 
>|> basketball player you have ever seen?"):  "Michael, Michael, Michael."
>|> 
>|> IMHO, we won't EVER see another Michael, Larry, or Magic (just like we
>|> haven't seen another Wilt, Kareem, Oscar R., Jerry W., etc...).
>
>Nope.
>
>But Bird/Magic and Jordan are two very different breeds of cat. For
>all the great skills Jordan has, he does not have the playmaking
>ability of Bird or Magic. Neither does Sir Charles, or Malone, or
>a whole pile of other great players.

Different breeds of cats they are, but your sentence doesn't make much sense.
Individual skills are just as important as team skills.  If Bird couldn't 
drain the 3ptr and Magic couldn't get into the lane during a fastbreak,
their team skills wouldn't do *dick*.  It just so happens that Jordan has 
*much* better individual skills and Magic/Bird have *somewhat* better 
team skills.

Got another quote for you guys.  I was watching my Bulls '92 Championship
video last night and heard this...

'Michael Jordan, you are the standard by which basketball 
 excellence is measured.' 
             -- David Stern (and NO it's not the D.Stern that goes to UIUC!)
-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.