From: rob@theo.ucsb.edu (Robert Buckles)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Wives, Time, and that ship on our Shoulders...  uh, that's chip... :)
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:18:45 GMT
Followup-To: Euro^3 and NON-US Empire Greats?
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara


     Wow, this might be fun.  I have a girlfriend who is more like a wife.  I 
think my situation would be exactly like Jason's if I had a couple little ones.
Why can't our girlfriends/wives be like Melissa... 
	Anyway, my girlfriend (may as well be a wife, there's just no ring yet)
just about broke off our relationship because of my last game.  Lucky for me
it ended last week.  

	- Oh, once again, nice game Karl.  Congrats and thanks for the archive;
             How are you going to handle the load? -


In article <18o2sgINNel3@agate.berkeley.edu> mytelka@codon9 (Daniel Mytelka;612 Barker;x2-5110) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.104344.11823@daimi.aau.dk> ctjmrr@daimi.aau.dk (Claus Torp Jensen) writes:
>>
>>Now, for one thing, Redline claimed that NO non-US players were among
>>the best of the community.
>>
>>
>>Now down to business:
>>
>>I hereby officially challenge REdline to prove his claim (this is the part
>>that my wife and child won't like......:( ):
>>
>
>I'm no Redline, but if you're willing to take on a next echelon US player to
>prove your competence and can find a machine to play on, I'm willing to accept
>your challenge. I'm better than at least 90% of the US players anyway.
>

    Hey, great idea.  I had not planned on having a game soon but this sounds
like a big grudge match coming on.  I just came off with a win in Draconis
Empire, and the chip still weighs heavily on my shoulder.  I want a game 
against some GOOD players.  No newbies.

>It'd be a fairer contest in its own right, since I have a wife and outside
>commitments as well (Of course, she's a good empire player in her own right-
>the only non-allied survivor of your last Sweden SlowEmp game).
>

     Yeah, we all have no time.  Jason has a wife, two kids, and is working
on a PhD...  Dan here has a wife (although she does play empire.  What, will
she make it to the updates you miss?)  EVERYONE has no time.  I played for the
summer only. 
     - come to think of it, I have only played during vacations... vacations
       that rolled over into the next vacation... :)   -

>>BUT the conditions of the game need to be such, that I have a chance to
>>perform as best I can.
>>Which means:
>>
>>ROTATING UPDATES (yes, I know Redlien thinks those sthink...but if he wants
>>to claim he is better than someone we need equal terms).
>

     I forget who just said something about time... Thomas Ruschak, yeah...
But he's very correct.  I just won a game because I spent more time on it
than others.
I have played enough that I am quite efficient and don't HAVE to spend so
much time (I can't anymore) but the winner is definitely the one to spend
the most effort
.
>If you'd like. I'm also willing to play a gentleman's game, and dispense
>with around the update attacks if you'd like. Conditions similar to the
>recent Temekula-Stronghold world setup might be good- two 50-100 sector
>start islands and little or no other land. Plenty of resources, but not
>perfect worlds (yech).
>
>>AT LEAST 6 DAYS BETWEEN UPDATES (I simply can't manage anymore....
>>I PROMISED my wife this would be the last Empire game for some time).
>
>Fine with me; I'm busy too.
>

     Hmm.  6 days between attacks... uh, updates that is.  :)
Sounds good.
     -Please excuse me if I really doubt anyone will be able to remove the
      a.t.u. attacks...  That's part of the game.  -
Definitely no small start islands.  I would much rather prefer the "old"
empire as someone stated earlier, where you have no idea who is playing
or what the land/resources will be like.  However, I want to play top
caliber players.
	That shit Redline said about Non-US players should definitely earn
him a spot on the roster.  I would also encourage Temekula to play, although
I think he doesn't like the slow games.  Graahoeje, I would be very happy to
play in a game with you.  Bring 'em on!

>>
>>And I need to wait some time before this challenge game can start......
>>I am currently playing the ALberta Invitational.....I need that to
>>finish first, and I need my wife to calm down after that one....:)
>>
>
>Well, in theory I'm playing in UAlb too, but I haven't done anything since
>the third week.
>

     So that sets the date.  At the close of UAlberta, a game should be set.
I would run the game myself, (my first one) but I dare not use so much computer
time.  My machine is strictly for computation/research, and I don't even run
the client from here; I use a friend's account.  :-|
But seeing that I wish to play, I would rather not host the game.

     I do, however, recommend that our new archives manager Karl hagen
(aka Greyhelm, Shadow) host the game.  He is a very experienced deity
and should satisfy any empire master.
I know he is busy, but the game
is not for some time.  If at all.

>>
>>Now some additional comments:
>>1) A one-one challenge will NEVER prove who is the better player in an
>>   ordinary game, but just maybe it will settle this criticism of NON-US
>>   players.
>
>True, but it some ways it is a better criterion of inherent skill, rather
>than that derived from preconceived alliances.
>
>>
>>Claus/The King of Graahoeje
>>(maybe not the best of Empire players but at least I have my pride)
>
>Dan Mytelka (mytelka@enzyme.berkeley.edu, Langerhans)

     I want to hear from all those busy psuedoretired empire
egomaniacs respond.  This could be that next "great" game.
Wow.  At one update a week, it could last a year...
Let's discuss the update period...

I think a good requirement for being in this game would be to have
placed in the top 3 of some large game.  (Blitz's included?)
Perhaps.

	Let's hear some more of this.

Rob Buckles (rob@theo.ucsb.edu)
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