HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: A&M plays ND?????????????
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:39:34 GMT

In article <Ray_Hines.05zy@dream.uucp>, Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
wrote:
> 
> In a message dated Fri 11 Dec 92 11:31, Aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (i R A 
> wrote:
> 
> > Ah yes I see now oh wise and learned master goober. But master, where do
> we
> > go if we missbehave? :)
> 
>  ARA> In your case, UofF.
> 
> Not!  UF's very strict about misbehaving.  He should go to either Miami,
> Alabama (they let a twice convicted drunk driver go back to play football),
> or Washington.

That's the whole point! Send him somewhere so he can't misbehave!

Tho, for sheer punishment, sending him to UMiami would be the #1 
choice!

James
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:53:00 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd) wrote:
}A very interesting post - with some very interesting numbers:
}
}Harbor Bowl, San Diego, CA:     1-1-48          Hardon-Simmons 53, SD St. 0
}Shrine Bowl, Little Rock, AK:   12-18-48        Hardin-Simmons 40, Ouachita 12
}Camellia Bowl, Lafayette, LA:   12-30-48        Hardon-Simmons 48, Wich. St. 12
}				^^^^^^^^!!!!
}Is this a record for the number of bowls played in a year?  In a season?
}Assuming Hardon-Simmons = Hardin-Simmons (= type-o 8^) )

Hardin-Simmons is the correct spelling.  

}Fort Worth (TX) Classic:        1-1-21          Centre 63, TCU 7
}San Diego (CA) Xmas Classic:    12-26-21        Centre 38, Arizona 0
}Dixie Classic, Dallas, TX:      1-2-22          Texas A&M 22, Centre 14
}				^^^^^^^^!!!
}Just missed tying the first by a couple days, but also made two in a season!

Interestingly enough, these were the only 3 bowls Centre ever attended.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

           "You're living in your own private Idaho."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:39:21 GMT

In article <BzBq28.LGF@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec15.173339.19639@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>>...
>>>You FSU guys whine, year in and year out that FSU was really better than
>>>Miami, but they just lost the close one.  *IMHO* I don't think your 
>>>program is as good as Miami's, ie losing 4 of the last 5.  What are the
>>>odds of the "better" team losing over and over??
>
>>If Miami and FSU were completely even teams, the odds would be 5 out
>>of 32 that Miami would win four out of five games.  Of course, that
>>has no bearing on any particular game, since the odds of any one team
>>beating the other (assuming both are even) in any particular game is 1
>>out of 2.
>
>>Hey, you asked :-)
>
>>.....Elson.....
>
>Just to keep the facts straight, Elson, Miami has won 7 of the last 8 .
>What are the odds now (even though we know they don't mean anything) ?

The formula for this is (assuming that the sole loss is any one of the eight
games):

     8!                        8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1
____________  =  _________________________________________________________
(8-1)! * 2^8     7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2

                 8
              = ___
                256

Elson "not that it makes a difference since every season is different" Liu

>Justin




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Tear-Jerking College Football Stories (wasRe: Texas A&M--12th Man)
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:13:47 GMT

>> end interlude.
>
>Hey, ranks right up there with the "Win one for the Gipper," but, pales
>in comparison to the "dear old Rutgers" story.  It goes like this:
>
>Way back before your team even put on their leather helmets, a Rutgers
>player was seriously injured on the playing filed and carted off to the
>hospital.  Ruptured spleen or something ghastly like that.  The coach came
>to visit and said "I'm sorry you got hurt, son."  To which the kid replied:
>
><insert drum roll, flag waving, America the Beautiful on a solo trumpet>
>
>"That's okay coach.  I'd die for dear old Rutgers."
>
>sniff.  sniff.   12th man; big deal; sit down.


And some folks say Aggies have stupid traditions! So did he die or what? And
did Rutgers win the game or let him die for nothing?



*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Hurricanes Hatred Poll Results, **NEW POLL**
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:23:09 GMT

And now for the results you've all been waiting for ...

The average of 44 responses was a mediocre 

		3.93 -- in between hatred and antipathy
			according to the scale

Fortunately, the most common scores were

		17 votes for with "1"
		6 votes for a "10"

not too mention several negative votes and death threats. ;7)

Thanks for all the votes.

COMING IN JANURARY (as suggested from some guy at USC I got in
a spat with):

	***THE ULTIMATE IN SPORTS FANS FANATICISM***
	***					 ***
	*** VOTE FOR YOUR TOP TEN FAVORITE TEAMS ***
	***		    AND			 ***
	***    YOUR TOP TEN MOST HATED TEAMS     ***
	***					 ***
	********************************************

You can send me e-mail now, or in January (it doesn't matter,
I won't start compiling the data until then anyways).  I'll
repost this "call for votes" when I get back from break.  Please
have the information in two lists, with your favorite ten first
and your most hated ten second.  For example,

$ Miami
$ Stanford
$ FSU
$ ...
...

$ Notre Dame
$ Florida
$ ...
...

Please, wherever possible use common abbreviations for the school
(e.g. FSU for Florida State University, but not ND for Notre Dame);
this isn't crucial (I'll have to edit the files anyways), but it 
would help.  Please place the "$" in front of all votes and a return
between the lists.  Reference the message as "Votes."

The schools will receive 10 for a first place on down to a 1 for
last place.  Any reply not in this format will be trashed (depending
on how bad it is).  Please do not send votes with comments; if
you have any comments, e-mail an additional message.

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Dan Brown				  CCC  A  N  N EEE SSS !
					  C   A A NN N E   S   !
dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu		  C   AAA N NN EE  SSS !
					  C   A A N  N E     S 
Department of Orthopedics		  CCC A A N  N EEE SSS !
Project for Computer-Aided Pain Diagnosis
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: Best Football Names--I-A or I-AA???
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:40 GMT

Yvonne Lee (yvonne@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:
: In <seale.724085822@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
: >pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
: >>A NEW THREAD!!
: >>So far we have the following:
: >>Orlando Hathcett--Marshall
: >>Tank Conner--N. Iowa
: >Bingo Mancillas--Texas Tech
: >Byron Bam Morris--Texas Tech
: Fletcher Keister -- Oregon State

Donny Brooks - Texas Tech


-- 
Richard Thompson
richard@ods.com
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac-10 quiz
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:26:48 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <BzFME7.4y1@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>The Rand McNally says you're right.  Oh, well, Waco *looks* like it's pretty
>far out west -- or maybe it just feels like it, after that long drive up 6
>from Houston...

Well heck, why didn't you stop by and see me?  I live just off of Hwy 6.

>...and Mineral Wells, which isn't the end of the world -- but you can see it
>from there.  :-)

You can see Lubbock from Mineral Wells?

- goober (this is rec.sport.football.college.texas.chat, right?) smith

ps: Hwy 6 goes both ways... o never mind, it's an Aggie thing.
pps: late night exam grading...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Trivia answers
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:53:56 GMT

1.  Bear never beat Texas, 0-2-1.

2.  Georgia Tech, Sewanee, and Tulane were former SEC
members.

3.  Oldest stadium has to be Sanford Stadium in Athens.

Bill



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt)
Subject: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Keywords: ITS GOSPEL
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: us
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:28:09 GMT

Face it everyone, the University of Notre Dame is the
greatest college football institution on the PLANET!!
No one has the history, the tradition, nor the
excellence that the Fighting Irish have and that's
final.  Most schools (like some in the state of FL)
are jealous of ND's record and media hype.

Notre Dame will kick Texas A&M's *** in the Cotton Bowl!
Then we'll listen to the Aggies talk about how they
should have played someone higher ranked than ND.
Give Lou Holtz six weeks to prepare for a game and
he'll come out a winner.

Also Rick Mirer will get drafted light years ahead of
that guy in Miami who won the Heisman!!


Chris Brandt

Flame all you want, but you know its true!

e-mail:  brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Pitt names Johnny Majors as Head Coach
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:14:43 GMT


The University of Pittsburgh announced today that Johnny Majors will
be the head coach in the 93-94 season.  Majors left/was forced out
from Tennessee (depending on who you talk to.)  Conventional wisdom
here on Pittsburgh sports talk shows is that Majors left due to a
power/personality struggle between his successor at Tennessee and
himself after Majors returned from open heart surgery.  The best guess
is that the new coach (whose name escapes me), the former offensive
coordinator for UT who had publicly announced that he planned to be a
head coach *somewhere* in 93, privately wanted very much to become the
head coach at UT, and campaigned among UT officials for the job after
Majors' surgery.

Pitt fans are thus far ambivalent.  Most of the Panther faithful were
really hoping for Jackie Sherrill from Mississippi St., but who was
nixed by Chancellor J. Dennis O'Connor and athletic director Oval
Jaynes due to Sherrill's past difficulties with the NCAA.  While
Majors brings with him memories of the glory days of Pitt, many fans
are questioning whether he can still get the job done.  Unfortunately,
I suspect that Majors is only going to have a very few years to turn
this program around before the fans are calling for his head even
louder than for Paul Hackett's, the previous Pitt coach.  The local
sports mucky-mucks are trying to convince the natives that steady
improvement is the only way for a team that has sunk as low as Pitt
can improve; there will be no overnight success.  But, in a town
boasting the two-time Stanley Cup champs, three-time NL East champs (a
streak that is soon to end), and the team leading the AFC, Pitt will
have to field at least an exciting team to be able to make up some of
the fans they have lost over the last several years.

I wish Majors luck.  Especially since next season will be my first
as a Pitt season ticket holder. :-)

Brian
  - And they thought Washington D.C. had a revolving door...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff Hintzman)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:15:12 GMT
Reply-To: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
Organization: HP IC Business Division R&D, Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Dec16.142907@trc.amoco.com>, zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Dec14.200043.5979@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
|> > In article 14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov, acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
|> > >I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
|> > >net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
|> > >far I have five and only one location, as follows:
|> > >
|> > >Bowl			Location
|> > >----			--------
|> > >California Raisin	Fresno CA
|> > >Bluebonnet		??
|> > >Tangerine 		??
|> > >Garden State
|> > >Cherry
|> > >
|> > >Please post any additions you can come up with.
|> > >
|> > >R Dendy
|> > >
|> > 
|> > 
|> > Actually, I think the Tangerine Bowl became the present-day Florida Citrus
|> > Bowl.  If so, it may not actually belong on your list.
|> > 
|> > D. Head
|> > 
|> > 
|> 
|> Hey, didn't there used to be a game that the Shriners sponsored?  I think it
|> might have been one of these all-stat type games like the Blue/Gray game.

The East-West Shrine Game has been played for many years at Stanford Stadium
in January.  It's not a bowl game per se, and it is not probably not
considered as prestigious as the Blue/Gray game.  The proceeds go to
children's hospitals to aid crippled and burned kids.

Don't know the date of this year's version but it is planned, and Glyn
Milburn of Stanford and Russel White of Cal are slated to participate.

-- 

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Jeff Hintzman                                  hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Integrated Circuit Business Division 
Palo Alto, CA                                              (415) 857-7616
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From: pts2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL THOMAS STROBL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TAMU vs. ND - why not?
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:08:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Bz8Kyv.Ctt@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>In <Michael.J.Kluck.1-091292191503@hesmac30.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu> Michael.J.Kluc
k.1@nd.edu (Mike Kluck) writes:
>
>|
>| To the bozos cutting up their credit cards - if the only reason for a post
>| season is to match up for the championship, then why are there so many
>| bowls?  I think the Cotton Bowl will be a good game.
>|
>| Are you going to moan about that credit card after ND stomps your little
>| darling Aggies?
>
>First I am not a TAMU fan.  I am a Miami fans that is still upset that the
>Sugar Bowl last year screwed up the Miami & Florida game.  ND didn't earn
>last years Sugar, or this years Cotton via the polls.  TAMU & FSU had a very
>small chance to win or tie for the NC.  With ND in the Cotton, the game has
>no NC value.
>
>I want a true playoff system.   I do not like teams selected becauses they
>have more fans and generate the most money for the bowls.  If, Mobil Oil
>feels ( as the sponsors ) that it cost them money for putting ND in the
>Cotton over FSU then it was worth it.  So, what is the worst that would
>have happened to ND,  they would have got the Fiesta or Orange.  But, they
>would not have screwed up TAMU and FSU's only shot at a NC.   Some of the
>other 106 teams in I-A football are tired of being treated like peasants.
>
>I hope others rip up and return Mobil Credit Cards,  maybe someday we
>will get a real playoff system.  Mobil Oil and the Cotton sould have stayed
>with the intentions of the alliance.  I want a playoff system.

Don't we all want a playoff system????  I am a TAMU fan!

-- 
                   --Tex
_______________________________________________________________________________

     Why do they call it "stationery" when you send it all over the place?
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From: frank@.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Congratulations "SHADE TREE"
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:13:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems

Congratulations goes out to Marvin Jones, Florida State's top defensive
linebacker!  He won both the Lombardi Award (nation's top lineman or
linebacker) and the Butkus Award (nation's top linebacker).  By the way, he
beat out Miami's Michael Barrow and Washington's Dave Hoffman.  The only
other player ever to win both awards in one year was Michigan State's Percy
Snow in 1989.

This is one type of shade which Nebraska players don't want to be caught
under!!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Roger's Top 25--summary:Sked Strgth
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:25 EST  

With regard to Schedule Strength, I have been selecting a Game of the Week, 
and an Alternate Game of the Week throughout the season, and I now have 
summary results.  Note that this type of statistic only recognizes the best 
two games in any week, and is therefore far from all inclusive.  I've also 
combined the number of GotW's with half a point for AltGotW to make an 
aggregate score.

Team			GotW		AltGotW		AgScore
----			----		-------		-------
Miami			5		0		5
Washington		3		3		4.5
Alabama			3		2		4
Florida State		3		1		3.5
Florida			2		1		2.5
Nebraska		1		3		2.5
USC			1		3		2.5
Stanford		2		0		2
Michigan		1		2		2
Iowa			1		1		1.5
Mississippi St		1		1		1.5
Notre Dame		1		1		1.5
Arizona			1		1		1.5
Texas A&M		1		0		1
UCLA			1		0		1
San Diego St		1		0		1
Penn State		1		0		1
Georgia Tech		1		0		1
Washington St		1		0		1
Syracuse		1		0		1
Tennessee		0		2		1
Kansas			0		2		1
California		0		2		1
North Carolina St	0		1		0.5
Texas			0		1		0.5
Clemson			0		1		0.5
Mississippi		0		1		0.5
Colorado		0		1		0.5
Ohio State		0		1		0.5
Kansas State		0		1		0.5

Also bearing on Schedule Strength is the question of how many easy games a 
team has played.  Here is the season summary of Ugly Games of the Week:

Team			UGotW
----			Bully	Victim
			-----	------
Miami			2
Notre Dame		2
Alabama			2
Florida St		1
UCLA			1
Washington		1
Penn State		1
Washington St		1
Fresno St		1
Hawaii			1
Tennessee		1*
Kansas			1*
Arkansas			1**
Missouri			1**
Northwestern			1
CS Fullerton			1
South Carolina			1
Texas-El Paso			1
TCU				1
Pacific				1
Navy				1
Temple				1
Pitt				1
Utah				1
Maryland			2

* Lost
** Won

R Dendy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Marshall 31 YSU 28
From: hou024@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:11:30 -0500
Organization: Marshall University

Now that all is said and done, I think I'm allowed a little "woofing."

This football game was one of the most exciting I have ever attended.
If you didn't get to see it, you really missed something.
I have to give Youngstown a great deal of credit, they could have
rolled over, but they showed a grat deal of class.

Way to go Herd!!!!!
Way to go Herd!!!!!

1992 NCAA I-AA Champions!!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Stadium Survey Complete
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:25:23 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


Okay, there are some conspicuous absences from the college stadium list.
Where are the N.C. State and Wake Forest fans?  How about the whole state
of Michigan (Michigan and Michigan State)?  And with som much static from
Texas A&M fans where are the stats for their stadium?
From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OSU - Cooper's Contract?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:46:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Lindy Infanti...if only...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: Heisman Trophy
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:27:20 GMT

In article <101840@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm new to this newsgroup but I am utterly confused and would like some
>guidance.  I'd like to know how some like Gino Testever.. I mean
>Toretta could win what is arguably the most coveted award in college football?
>Chalk one up for the publicity agents!
Actually chalk one up for Lee Corso. He seems to have single handedly
crowned this one. Going by his reasoning (Toretta is 26-1 as a starter)
Bama's Jay Barker is as good a candidate! :-)
The award is almost an insult to the rest of the Miami team because there
are others on the team with greater contributions. Gino Toretta seems
like a nice guy and a good quarterback, but it's the D that has earned Miami
all that success and Toretta has helped by not messing up.
This was perhaps a good year to have a defensive player winning the award.
Pity it did not happen.
>Oh and I pity the pro team that takes Toretta as their "franchise QB" in next
>years draft...
>
>satish nair
I think pro teams are generally better at scouting now than they used to be.
I doubt he will be in the top 3 QB's drafted.
Ramana
From: twhitmir@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Timothy Whitmire)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed... so was Hearst
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:49:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncratl.77609
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In article <Bz8pLn.9u4@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>
>
>Gino also played through a shoulder seperation that knocked him out of the
>FAMU game.  Gino was the leader, he is not even the best player on Miami,
>but he was the best leader on the team.  Some how leadership counts.

Gino got hurt and went out of a game, Marshall got hurt and went out of
multiple games.  Hearst was the only top candidate that never got hurt (or
bad enough to leave a game).  So, IMO, he should have got the award!

It's all politics-  Gino was a sure shot because of where he played. 
Both Hearst and Faulk were more deserving.  Everybody rants and raves
about the team around Gino -- let them earn the number one ranking and
give the Heisman to the individual effort.

Tim