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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:04:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Sep29.112614.3849@darwin.ntu.edu.au>, salter_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes...
>I've just read in my "Grauniad Weekly" that all British school-children
>are going to have a compulsory test on a Shakespeare play at the age of 14.
> 
>Is this really true, or is it just a pinko-liberal rumour spread by the
>"Gradiron" to convince the rest of the world that the Tories have gone
>stark staring bonkers?
> 
Well if the Scots have to learn about the Bard of England, then I hope
the English have to learn Robert Burns too, the national Bard of Scotland.

Somehow I doubt it. I saw this year's exam papers in Scotland, and there
was Shakespeare, but no Robert Burns, probably the world's best known poet.

Craig

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From: sb51@prism.gatech.EDU (Susan Bovair)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:12:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Psychology, Georgia Institute of Technology

One medium for Shakespeare I haven't seen mentioned is the comic
book.  I have a "Macbeth" done a few years ago by Von (I think) -
the full text of the play is there, but you also get some of the 
visuals.  I really liked it, but I already loved the play, and
maybe it wouldn't work as well if you didn't know it.  Have other
plays been handled this way?

-- 
Susan Bovair
School of Psychology,
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
From: dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pardon my ignorance and such
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:33:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <BvI4yC.24n@newcastle.ac.uk> news@newcastle.ac.uk (NEWS system) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.211224.25022@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>From: ntgk@turing.newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
>Path: turing!ntgk
>
>
>>
>>How the heck can I bomb something if I don't know where it is?  
>>Oh I get it, we had the British troops to show us the way.  
>>You'd been there before anyway...   ;-)
>
>{pre-emptive strike on}
>
>Can we just admit she's lead with her chin, and miss the friendly fire flame
>fest out this year please.
>
Followups directed to soc.culture.turkish then is it ?



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From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: New 10p coin; offer to all Germans
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:46:34 GMT
Reply-To: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Organization: The College of Spiritual Pathology, Euphoria State University
Originator: geraint@pierrot.comlab

david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) wrote:
(  ... the number of machine which will accept DM like coins
 ) is very small nowadays, largely ciggie and chocolate machines, which also
(  accept Czeck Krona, available at a lot lower rate than 10 pence pieces.

You know the sort of supermarket trolley that is locked to its neighbour when
it's parked?  The luggage trolleys on Berlin Lichtenberg station have the same
sorts of locks on them, but with an invitation to put in the coin of your
choice from a range of strange currencies.  I remember one of them being a
FF10,-, and one of them being a pound sterling, but not what the others were. 
(Neither France nor Britain is likely to be the destination of a journey from
Lichtenberg...)

I didn't study the luggage trolleys in sufficient detail to determine whether
you were guaranteed to get back the same currency as you deposited (whether 
the coin is in the bit of lock you carry around with you), although I presume 
it is.  

It's rather like Scandianvian telephones which make a virtue of being able to 
take more or less any Scandinavian coinage, at a profit to the phone company
of course.  Since I collected a number of part-used phonecards on my recent 
tour of Northern Europe, I am interested in knowing whether any of these are
useable at a profit in the wrong country's phones.  The Swedish and Irish ones
seem quite similar in the physical arrangement of the chip.  Anyone know?     g
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com>
Subject: veterans raf conf?
Reply-To: "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:30:38 EST

Henry,
Do  you know of such a conference?  The American veteran  confer-
ences do not have any British veterans on them.  You would  think 
they had something in common.  Since they worked together against 
the Germans in the second world war.

TNTATB

Barry
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From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: burial in UK
Date: 29 Sep 1992 19:33:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


While I know this sounds morbid, I do need some assistance.

My mother, who is still a British subject after 30+ years
in the US, is quite old and very ill.  She wishes to be
buried in her hometown in Scotland and I don't have the
slightest idea of how I go about taking care of this.  I
would appreciate any information anyone may have or any
experience they may have had in such a situation.  E-mail
would be most appreciated as I don't get to this newsgroup
all that often.

Thank you.

Evelyn
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: slking%epx.cis.umn.edu (Simon King)
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Organization: Univ. MN
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.181734.4500@bnr.uk>, agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
> 
> In article <TORKEL.92Sep28180332@bast.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
> |> In article <6250083@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
> |> 				       
> |>>I've been hauled up once before for using this term ["Jap"], and I still
> |>>don't see why.  To me, it's the equivalent to 'Brit', which I don't
> |>>find in the least offensive.
> |> 
> |>     ...In the case of "Jap" it has emerged in soc.culture.japan that some
> |> Japanese at least consider it highly offensive... 
> 
> Can anyone think of a derogatory term used by other nations (that the
> British can understand to be insulted by it), to refer to the British
> (or in my case the English)?
> 
> I don't mean things like 'Limey' or (from a Scot) 'Englishman' :-)
> 
>    Alan
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>    Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
>    river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
>    hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 
> 
>    Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
An ironic rejoinder to my previous post:
the Germans have been known to call us "Inseln-Affen" = island apes.
Whether this origionally referred to our deportment, or to our politcal system 
and economy, or our football fans, I know not.

Why do you want this information ????
yours inquisitively,
Simon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:40:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.181734.4500@bnr.uk>, agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
> Can anyone think of a derogatory term used by other nations (that the
> British can understand to be insulted by it), to refer to the British
> (or in my case the English)?

You seem to miss the point, it is impossible for a Brit to be insulted by 
someone who is so evidently inferior due to their being foreign,
irregardless of what one is called.

Simon.

PS :-) For the nationality impaired

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From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:24:24 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bvo465.26v@news.fai.com> pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor) writes:
   writes:
  ...bent politicians deleted for brevity...
>
>Who was the politician from Yorkshire (I think) who got caught taking
>bribes for land deals (Smith ?)

T. Dan Smith. He was a councillor who was getting kickbacks from a bent
architect called Poulson.

>
>The friend of Harold Wilson who got mixed up in a deal with washing machines
>
>There was also the person behind the precious metal (platinum) scandal in Aus

Don't remember these ones, but the Wislon connection (if that's the right
word) that I do remember was Ronald Millhench, who forged some stuff to
make it look as though Wilson was involved in land speculation. Crazy thing
was that when Wilson was confronted with it, he said something like "that's
not speculation, it's reclamation". So he was up to something....

>
>If you want to make this international we have
>Idi-Amin
>Nixon

Spiro T. Agnew
Oliver North

>
>
>Where is Lord Gnome when you need him...
>-- 
>  Paul Taylor pault@ossi.com
>"Sometimes you get the bear, and other times the bear gets you.
>I think we have just been gotten"

Chris Lee
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:48:08 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Sep29.161657.14744@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>
>                                              However, there is some
> fear that British industry has been so weakened by the past 13 years
> that it will be unable to respond to any such increase in demand.  

> If that is true (and some of us, like me, believe it) then people are
> going to either cut back on their lifestyles, or buy imports at the
> higher prices, simply because there ARE no British manufacturers.
> (There was a long list in the papers over the weekend of things which
> aren't made in this country any more; civilian aircraft were the latest
> to go, with the final wind-down of a British Aerospace plant.)

Maybe you should start buying yourself a decent newspaper.  BAe
closed one factory.   They still make the Bae 146 regional jet and
a range of business jets, and twenty percent to one third of every
Airbus is made in the UK.

What would you prefer?   The VC10?   Concorde?

> If this effect holds (people having to rely on imports) then the most
> likely result is either increasing pay-raise demands (so increasing
> inflation and unemployment, on standard models), or a lower standard of
> living and increasingly harsh governmental control over the
> wage-bargaining process, neither of which the government would really
> like to get into at the moment (at my guess).

And that's up to them, isn't it.   Actually, I think they'll
go one better.   They'll buy imported goods, demand pay raises
to pay for them, force another currency devaluation, and then 
say "See, I told you the Tories couldn't manage the economy.
Pass me another Heineken, will you?"

> It's also further confused by the fact that a lot of raw materials 
> have to be imported, which might drive up the prices of British 
> goods.

The Japanese import almost all their raw materials, plus all
their fuel.   That doesn't seem to stop them, now does it?

> (We're even importing COAL, for heaven's sake.  Even after the
> devaluation, the government is planning to go ahead with the 
> closure of another bunch of British coal pits, and the power 
> companies are contracting outside.  Here's an island MADE of 
> bloody coal, and we're buying it in.  Sigh...  Sorry, getting 
> carried away.)

Stupid argument.   If British coal is expensive, then importing
cheap coal benefits coal's customers, and there are a damned 
sight more jobs in British industries that *use* coal, than in 
the British coal industry itself.

jon.
From: dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:21:17

fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
> I've been asked if I were Dutch, which I find pretty odd.

It's probably because you speak English very well, and with a perfect BBC
accent.  Like most of the Dutch people I have known.
--
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Four more months!  Four more months!
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:09:34 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Oct6.123845.29266@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.090555.5483@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
|> 
|> > Six years ago (6 YEARS) the
|> |> ability to open the car boot (trunk for US readers) from INSIDE the car
|> |> was standard on the cheapest SUZUKI on the market. There wasn't a car
|> |> made in Europe below the mid-luxury range which had that device.
|> 
|> On my VW Beetle (ran of the production line at Wolfsburg, Germany in November
|> 1970) it was possible to open both the Boot and the Petrol Cover from inside
|> the car.  Looks like those Japs knew a good European idea when they saw it.
|> 
|> David.

Actually, on VWs at least since the mid-50s (if not before) the only way
to open the er, boot was by pulling a knob inside the passenger compartment.
Roughly where on most modern cars with front engines one finds the knob
labelled HOOD which one may use to open the bonnet.
In those old days, the petrol tank was located inside the boot so it didn't
need any special provision. I think it was starting with the 1968 model
that they had a separate petrol cover, which was opened by pulling a handle
located inside the glove compartment.
The first non-Beetle VW arrived in 1965 and they had, additionally, a handle
to open the rear end (luggage compartment located on top of engine), which
was located approximately near the shoulder of the left rear passenger.

(I never owned a VW as modern as 1968. By that time, I was driving bigger
cars. And my current (Japanese) car has a normal outside lock on both the
rear end and the petrol cover, so they backslid completely. Followups to
alt.folklore.automobiles.)

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Halloween in England
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:01:33 GMT
	<1992Sep25.165334.28251@spider.co.uk>
	<1992Sep30.170407.21185@philmtl.philips.ca>
	<1992Oct1.001841.1468@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Oct1.001841.1468@cnsvax.uwec.edu> harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

   Europeans don't celebrate hallowe'en OR Guy Fawkes.  That's because it's a
   British tradition--exported to America.  I would presume they also
   celebrate in Australia.  Cheers, old fr-r-r-uit!

Scottish Europeans certainly DO celebrate it...
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Organization: sgi
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 03:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.091305.2623@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>
> Anyhow, Scargill's claim is that British deep-mined coal costs about 
> 35 pounds per ton, at the pithead.  German deep-mined coal costs 
> about 110 pounds per ton (before the recent devaluation) at the 
> pithead.  All other (he says) western European deep-mined coal is 
> more expensive than British at the pithead, and therefore if any of 
> them are cheaper on delivery (as some are) it is because their 
> governments are subsidising them.

Bruvver Arthur is being clever.   He's saying something which
is undoubtedly true, but has nothing to do with the argument.

It's not *deep* mined coal, German or otherwise, which is the
real cheap stuff.    It's open-cast coal which has a built-in
price advantage, expecially open-cast coal from low-wage economies,
like Poland.

There's another fallacy here, which is that Scargill is 
suggesting, it appears, that if you detect some foreigner is
subsidisng his product, you should subsidise your own to keep
him out of your market.    Competitive subsidies are always
pointless, for they lead nowhere, except to increase everyone's
taxes.

If the Germans are so kind as to subsidise their coal, what 
they are really doing is making the British economy a gift
of highly expensive German man-hours courtesy of the long
suffering German taxpayer.   By all means take them up on it.

jon. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:35:47 GMT


[the saga continues...]
>
>However, I don't agree that what is a good model in those
>areas necessarily extends to all the minor areas where local
>politicians would *like* to be your serice provider.    Just
>because it's efficient to have the Government build the
              ^^^^^^^^^
>fighter jets and aircraft carriers, doesn't mean that it's
>efficient for City Hall to haul your garbage and maintain the
>roads.
>

Hmmmm... I'm not sure what this means, Jon. Does it refer to government-run
arms factories/shipyards etc., or does it simply refer to the govt.
actually *running* the army etc.? US defense (sic) contractors are the
most bloated, inefficient, corrupt, etc etc. organizations known in the
industrial world. We've all heard the stories about the $500 toilet seats
etc.; some of us have been lucky enougth to pay for them. ;=( :=( :=[ ;=(

Stay loose,
Bill
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gerard@caliban.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:40:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.181734.4500@bnr.uk>, agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) asks:
|> Can anyone think of a derogatory term used by other nations (that the
|> British can understand to be insulted by it), to refer to the British
|> (or in my case the English)?
|> 
|> I don't mean things like 'Limey' or (from a Scot) 'Englishman' :-)
|> 

In Malaysia the usual word was "John."  I found that offensive, but I
don't think it was meant to be.
-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Halloween in England
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 08:19:24 GMT


>In article <1992Sep25.080333.28456@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes...
> 
>>Oh, come on Craig. You have usually been refreshingly free of
>>the tendency of other Celtic enthusiasts to see Celts and
>>Celticism behind everything, but here I must disagree. The
>>whole Roman Catholic world has festivals celebrating the dead
>>at this time of the year, and you are not going to tell me that
>>this was all done to please the Celts, are you?
>> 
> 

From Nora Chadwick's "The Celts", P180-181

.. the four major peaks of the Celtic ritual calender
...Christian attempts to efface Pagan practice by adopting and adapting
to Christain usage well established cult practices. Samhain (1 November)
was the beginning of the Celtic year, at which time any barriers between
man and the supernatural were lowered.

From Frank Delaney's "The Celts", P84

Samhain, the greatest Celtic festival, marked the beginning of the year,
celebrated on the night of October 31st, now Hallowe'en. The earth opened,
the spirits stalked the land. Darkness reigned, godly matings shook the
ground, a spirit of eeriness prevailed, the night of All Souls.

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From: v064myby@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <DBROOKS.92Sep30232117@penge.osf.org>, dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes...
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>> I've been asked if I were Dutch, which I find pretty odd.
> 
>It's probably because you speak English very well, and with a perfect BBC
>accent.  Like most of the Dutch people I have known.
>--
>David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
>Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
>Four more months!  Four more months!

	Yes, friends, no doubt about it, the Dutch speak the best English
of any foreigners.  It's easier to understand than most Scots.  BTW Dutch
seems pretty close to English.  Ever hear someone speak Frisian - Bizarre!!
					
						Latre.
						C.Q.

	PS How many Brits can tell the difference between a Canadian &
an American?
					
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Guy Fawkes night
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:18:17 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <90675@netnews.upenn.edu>, by pleach@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Paul Leach):
> When I was a kid...in the days of yore....a penny for the guy added up to 
> some decent money (I used to start as soon as school started.) What is the 
> cry nowadays as I understand a penny won't take you too far.
>                                  Paul
> 
The kids on Campus last year were still saying 'penny for the guy, but
were less than pleased if that was the amount you stumped up.

Andy 

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