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From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Mustafa and Boulder.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:13:24 GMT

In article <1heaa4INN4vk@aludra.usc.edu> banerjee@aludra.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>
>Now that Deb is at Lawrence which I believe is within driving distance to
>Boulder,  maybe he should no longer keep it a threat. Would save us all
>a lot of aggravation and I know of some gentlemen on SCI/SCB/SCP who
>would gratefully contribute to a generous funeral fund.
>
- Samit.

1] May I take the oppurtunity to emphasise that Boulder is home to 
   such wondrous beings as Rajan Parrikar, Njan/Manu & Icarus.
   And within close range are such net.deities as Kannan Subramaniam
   and Ramesh 'Ajay Pal.' Mahadevan.

   It knows nothing at all about Mustafa, who is at another campus.
   The fact that he is in the state of colorado means little.

   Colorado was after all, once home to the big reptiles a.k.a 
   the Dinosoars even to the mighty Tyrannosaurus Rex during the 
   Jurassic period. Is that held against that glorious state ?
   [ In fact it was home to rajan digits-of-pi in the Icaric period,
   but thats another story entirely.]

   I would like to conclude with a sentence that so aptly described boulder,
   written by the Great Master (PBUH)  Dorai Sitaram a.k.a Doritto Sitto,
   and I quote:
				"A grain of Rice, is better than a field in Ohio,
                 but a Boulder by a colorful river,
                 could crush one and roll over the other."

2] Is it just me or has sci become less fun ? :-)

3] Enough said. 
   Stay Cool. And Warm.

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From: an3925@anon.penet.fi
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Subject: DEEPAK BOSE KI HINDU L*** KI AISE TAISE
Date: 31 Dec 92 06:52:45 GMT
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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Disgusted! Why?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:35:29 GMT
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> All Readers-
>  After reading  about 100 or so SCP articles I came to the conclusion that 
>  we should rename this group to names mentioned below:

>  (*) Soc.filled.with.religious.bukwaas
>  (*) soc.hindu.mulsim.fight
>  (*) soc.*F*word.experts.
>  (*) soc.muslim.maybe.maybeNot
>  (*) soc.confused.
>  (*) soc.SCI.attack.
>  (*) soc.visa.F.J.B
>  (*) soc.NoMutt.NoEnthu.         (figure this one out on your own!
>                                   it is NOT dirty as some of you might think)

>  I can keep going on and on.....
>  This group is filled with this kinda of crapp and ridiculous articles. Why 
>  cant't we write about Pakistan and NOT (Mulims/Hindu's, Ahmedi's, Cows,.....)
       
>  G R O W  U P


> Amjad Qureshi
 
	Array, amjadee, jan-e-mon, itnaa ghussaa. ghussa thook doe.
yeh network azaad hae. I guess this is the only thing which has any thing
to do with Pakistan and is still azad. Oss din say derro jaani, jis din
Pakistan may computers iss network say hook up ho gae. Haraami polticians,
zaalim fauj kay nikamay generals, khufyaa police kay kaarinday, sub iss
b.board say kaan/aankh legaa-ae ho'n gay.  Idhar toom nay kuch'h kehaa
aur oodhar in rishvat-khore politicians, generals, aur oon-kay-chamchay
toomhari aisee-taisee ker dai'n gay.
	In the name of freedom of speech/expression, I request all Pakistanis
and non Pakistanis to put whatever they feel like.
if I want to call Navaz Sharif(LVQ)  and Benazir(LVQ)  chores
and Daacoos of the nation I should be allowed to. Thanks god Pakistan is
not connected to the Network.

P.S.   LVQ = La'hole Vallaa Quwat for the shiyaateen-e-kabeers like
             Navaz Nosharif and Bezamir.

Mansoor
From: rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Moslems
Date: 3 Jan 1993 01:01:19 GMT
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Javed Ahmed Khan (jakhan@IASTATE.EDU) wrote:
: 
:   There might have been a few incidents of rapes but I donot believe
			    ^^^
: =============================================================================
 
 You will be well advised to read the latest issue of Time mag. on this subject.
 The UN and many human rights and womens organisations have documented systematic mass rapes of *thousands* of women, most of them being mulsim women along with a few Croat women. These crimes have been and are still being committed by Serbs in Bosnia. There are reports that women are being deliberately being raped and confined till they deliver unwanted Serb impregnated babies. Girls as small as 6 yrs. old have been repeatedly gang-raped for days and many have died in the ordeal.

 ->>I'm sorry I will surely read it. But I don't know how much that would
 ->>help. In your article, you warned people not to listen to everything
 ->>that is spewed out on TV or from the press. What should I listen to and
 ->>what shouldn't I ? And why should I trust the western media about
 ->>Bosnia and not when it comes to Iran ?
 
 These reports have been filed by your favourite western news agencies and human
 rights organisations and so are not necessarily Islamic propaganda.

 ->>Javed, western news agencies are not my favourites. In fact, it's
 ->>quite the opposite. I'm sorry if I'd given that impression.

--

Rajesh Raman

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From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Covenient memory lapse (Re: Other side of the coin
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:00:51 AET
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: UCQ

In article <SAHMED.92Dec22135234@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
>    In article <1992Dec22.134433.13137@topaz.ucq.edu.au> salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>    >The articles I had read long ago which reflected the atrocities of the
>    >mukti bahni are unfortunately not available here and I don't remember the
>    >exact references. 
> 
> Sort of like "My dog ate my homework" isn't it????

   I don't know if my dog ate my homework or not, but "my dog" definitely "ate"
my whole article except the above line.

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> | | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
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> 
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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 1992 21:43:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Mustafa Ibrahim writes:
>>	Anyday, anyday. I'm yet to come across a Mustafa Ibrahim species 
>>	amongst non-religious animals so I guess I'll thank you for that
>>	advice :)
>>
>>	FFT 
>
>So in the society of animals , you have been recogniezed as FFT :-)
>That is a good news . At last you get the place you really deserve.
>:-) 
>Be happy toad.

	Tell me something, don't they teach grave digging at your mines
	institute? Dig one, jump into it and pull the mud over yourself.
	Not only because you're MUSTAFA IBRAHIM but also because you're
	Asim Mughal's katlu donkey :) You'll save Deb some trouble with
	"a moral responsibility to choke Mustafa" :) 

	FFT
	
	PS: If name calling is all this takes, why, here's the first stone
	at Katlu Ibrahim: IBRAHIM MUSTAFA! :)
	PPS: Don't bother with death threats. Toads are immune to impotent
	asses like MUSTAFA IBRAHIM.
From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:36:29 GMT

fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

>It is extremely possible that Muhammad did'nt know anything (or
>"God", for that matter). Without any corroborating evidence for
>his speculations, Muhammad is as bad as any other man who claims
>to know the secret of life :)

Vijay, I wish you would argue with Bucaille's silly interpretations
and not speculate what the Prophet knew.  Muslims consider the Quran
to be revelation from the God and by definition, to be perfect, 
consistent and timeless.  You may end up offending others.  

>hhaaat? He found theu an "objective" study that Quran is DIVINE?
> Shows hShows his credibility. Science and "Divine" don't gel. 

Bucaille, who was a christian, learnt arabic and then studied the
Quran.  He claims to have found remarkable agreement between the
Quranic verses and the modern scientific theories/facts.  He then
wonders, how an illiterate man like the Prophet could have known
or anticipated modern scientific facts.  He concludes that 
the Quran has to be divine in nature.  My argument is with his
bizarre interpretative exercise and not with the divine nature
of the Quran, which is a matter of faith anyway.


-- Milind Saraph

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From: an3923@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Moslems@
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:49:21 GMT



I am from Turkey and I noticed that there is something very funny
about all the world conflicts. ( I am not a practicing moslem)

Israel-Palestinian issue ( Moslems Vs Jews)
Cyprus Problem           ( Moslems Vs Catholics)
German Ethnic trouble    ( Moslems ( Turks) Vs Germans)
Bosnian issue            ( Moslems Vs Christians)
Iraq - Kuwait strife     ( Moslems Vs Moslems)
Iran - Iraq              ( ditto)
Iraq Vs Kurds            ( ditto)
Indian temple issue      ( Moslems Vs Hindus)
Burmese ethnic problems  ( Moslems Vs Buddhists)
Malaysian ethnic trouble ( Moslems Vs Chinese)
Somalian problem         ( Moslems vs Moslems)
Armenia                  ( Moslems Vs christians)


	Almost every conceivable problem in the world is caused by moslems.
Also, undoubtably all the major barbaric regimes in the world are run by
Moslems ( Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Yemen, Iran, Pakistan just to name a few)
and the major terrorist nations ( except Cuba) are all moslem ( Pakistan, Iran,
cyria, Lybia, Jordan). Turkey is the ONLY moslem country which is secular.
What does this tell us about our religion and our culture? It makes me wonder!


Irfan Ahmed
Sys. Admin., Calico Tech.
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From: MUBARAK.JAMAL@MTN-HOME.VA.GOV
Subject: Dracula ki wapsi
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:14:00 GMT

Assalaamo alaikum,
 
This is a test message of posting to SCP by e-mail.  I would request
anyone of my net-friends to reply to this message if they see it on
the net.  I have been away from SCP for a while but those who do not
know my e-mail address and would like to get in touch with me may
contact me at the address given below.
 
Khuda Hafiz,
 
Jamal Mubarak
E-mail: mubarak.jamal@mtn-home.va.gov
From: FARHAN@TRMETU.BITNET (Farhan Aqeel Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Attn: Aneeq Niazi and Baleegh Niazi
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:50:16 GMT
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Supersedes: <92360.194958OMAR@TRMETU.BITNET>
Reply_To: Farhan Aqeel Ahmad <E55928@TRMETU.BITNET>
Reply_To: Omar Khalid <OMAR@TRMETU.BITNET>



I am looking forward to get in touch with these people.


Aneeq Niazi and Baleegh Niazi
UT Austin
--------
Fehmina Choudhry
Georgia Tech
--------

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Farhan Ahmad
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From: ikram@qr.cas.uec.ac.jp (Syed Ikram Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Need help with Mongolian (Urdu)
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:56:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
In-reply-to: tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk's message of 19 Dec 92 18:01:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.180154.18713@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid) writes:




   OK, I'll e-mail you an Urdu Dictionary. I'll e-mail the dictionary to anyone
   else that wants it.

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please send me the Urdu dictionary, if possibl
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:16:14 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec18.120229@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>Thats the whole problem. Pakistan was a "dream" of but one man
>which sought to play with the destinies of millions. (Reminds me of Lenin and
>Co. !!)

That's the whole problem. When we talk of dreams we get reminded of
Lenin and Co and, so we despair.

You see, our problem is that we look upto wrong people for guidance.
Do we have only Lenin to look up to? 

No, we have Quran that gives us guidance. It deputes us (Muslims) to
be the vicegerents of Allah!

Do we have the aspirations, vigor, and vitality that goes with this
deputation?

If not, then we are only ourselves to be blamed.

   Tu aey shirminda-e- sahil uch-chah keay bay karaaN ho jaa!

   O' you, who seeks the safety of the coast line, from the 
	tumult of the ocean
   jump and become limitless in time and space!
		[iqbal]
>
>
>Its so easy to conjure up visions of utopia in a "dream" but it does not take
>into account the realities of life and human beings. It so easy to suggest that
>muslims and hindus form a different nation, that there are "differences" which
>are unsurmountable and that the only solution is to ask people to uproot
>themselves from their land and forsake neighbors with whom they had relations
>for generations and cause the massacre of a few millions, just for the 
>fulfilment of one man's dream.


The wonderful lesson given by Iqbal and Jinnah was that

	you can also dream, and then make it a reality!

If their dream didn't go far enough from you point of view
then dream a better dream, be better than Jinnah, and make
it a reality. If Jinnah can do it in 20 years, I am sure
you can do it in 10 years!!!!

Finally, the difference between our point of view is this:
	An optimist sees an opportunity in every difficulty
	a pessimist sees a difficulty in every opportunity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:28:30 GMT

Uniformity is not unity! For example take Somalia, its as homogeneous
as a "nation" can get...99% Sunni, 98% Somali, are they living in peace
and prosperity. Tolerance and understanding of others "faith" brings
Unity. They say "blood is thicker than water (religion)". In that sense
people of the subcontinent are children of the same soil, should this not
be the bases for unity?
From: rajesh@ivy (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: pakistan is lilbit di
Date: 29 Dec 1992 00:50:10 GMT
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faraz rabbani (faraz.rabbani@canrem.com) wrote:
: 
: Exactly, but the PRESENT CRISIS at Ayodhya was started by Hindus,
: not Muslims (who liked where the Mosque *was*)...

  The present crisis when viewed in isolation was created by the Hindus.
  But you cannot view it in isolation. It was because of a feeling of
  being persecuted by Muslims for the last 1000 years. 
: 
: And 1200 people (mostly Muslim shot by a mostly Hindu police force)
: don't die in a week over a religious issue where a minority's
: GRANTED right denied "all over the world"...

  I don't have my facts right on that. I don't know how many of which
  community got killed. Some of my friends say that Hindus got killed.
  I don't know. But I don't know how much that matters. 

: 
:  RR> One of the reasons for the destruction of the mosque was the view
:  RR> amongst Hindus that it was time that they acted. There has been a
:  RR> history of brutal oppression of Hindus under many Muslim regimes in
:  RR> the past 1000 years and that cannot just be ignored. It's sad that
:  RR> some guys on the net deny that this ever happened . This is akin to
:  RR> what the neo-nazis in Germany and the KKK are doing. They deny that
:  RR> Hitler ever exterminated Jews.
:  
: But to my knowledge, the Jews do not go en masse to Germany
: destroying buildings, etc...  The past's justice CANNOT be imparted
: now...  Like this, I can say that my cave-living descendants roamed
: all over the world; therefore I OWN the world...  does not work that
: way, bud...

  I'm sorry I couldn't get the connection between Jews going to Germany
  and what I said. You're right that we cannot keep dwelling on what
  happened in the past. What has to be done is to acknowledge each
  others' mistakes frankly and then go on with life with nothing on our 
  hearts.

: 
:  RR> Both the destruction of the mosque in India and the destruction of
:  RR> the temples in other countries are equally reprehensible. We cannot
:  RR> ignore the fact that both happened and not just one of them.
: 
: But one ignited the other...  One was the issue, and the other was
: the result of the issue.  Both sad though, VERY SAD and
: reprehensible, I agree fully.  But the bigger outrage is what
: triggered the death of 1200 plus people...

  Correct. Faraz I know that you cannot justify the death of even
  one person by saying that it had to be done so it was done. But how do
  you make Muslims acknowledge that what their kings did some years ago
  wasn't correct and you shouldn't glorify those people and be blind to
  what happened? Because if that doesn't happen the same tensions are
  going to remain. That is the crux of the problem. But doing what was
  done (destruction of the mosque & the killing) is no solution. 


  And you forgot to reply to my poser on how to decide when a demand for
  secession was legit and when it wasn't.

--

Rajesh Raman

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From: rzz@po.CWRU.Edu (Reema Z. Zuberi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Punjabi Dialect/Language
Date: 30 Dec 1992 06:46:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In his post, Aftab Ahmad bemoans the demise of the Punjabi 
language as he knows it.  But I remember a Punjabi friend once
telling me that Punjabi has no alphabet of its own (i.e. it uses
the same alphabets as Urdu).  If that is the case, then, 
technically, Punjabi was never really a language in the first
place.  By the way, I am acquainted with Pakistanis who can and do
still speak "pure" Punjabi.

Sincerely yours,
Reema Z. Zuberi


p.s. It's "Socrates", not "Socretese"

-- 
"I won my age and body-fat division." - Bill Clinton, after
finishing with a modest time in a five-kilometer Thanksgiving Day
race in Little Rock  (Source: Newsweek, Dec. 7, 1992)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: difference
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:49:28 EST

To: all
 ND> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
 
 >I would prefer donkey

 ND> Sorry honey, they don't prefer you..

 ND> Nishit

Is there no way that we can raise the intellectual level of this
conference above that of two warring, irrational parties calling
each other animals?

Faraz Rabbani

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From: tsreddy@skitime.Eng.Sun.COM (T.S.Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal article by ImranAnwar
Date: 3 Jan 1993 01:02:50 GMT
Organization: Sun
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In article <9301022358.AA16314@public.btr.com.BTR.COM> a9@public.btr.com (Ashar Nisar) writes:
>
>
>The following article by Imran Anwar appeared on December 31 issue of 
>Wall Street Journal, next to the editorial.  The following is reproduced
>for newsgroup readers and may contain several typos and missing punctuation.
>
>sender: Krishnan Srinivasan
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>	INDIA: The Ugly Religious Reality Behind the Secular Myth
>
>			by Imran Anwar
>
>		[ Mr. Anwar is an information technology entrepreneur
>		  and financial services consultant with offics in
>		  Pakistan and Newyork  ]
>
>Your writers credit Indian Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao "with his free-
>market reform program" as some kind of visionary who brought his vision to
>Indian leadership.  The sad truth is that from the time of independence
>until recently, India aggressively follwed the Soviet agenda, including
>adherence to the socialist economic model.  As a result of running of
>options, the self-destruction of the socialist model, and neighbouring
>Pakistan's aggressive privatization and economic liberalization program, 
>India woke up too.  Mr. Rao may have ideas of his own, but in this case he
>has simply been reactive, not proactive.  He did what any other person
>in this situation would have to do, to prevent India from going bankrupt.
>
     I read this paragraph and almost fell out my chair laughing. Pakistan 
an economic model for India?  Yeah, right. We all know that it's the 
economic envy of the world ala Singapore, Korea, Japan etc..

     As for the rest of the article, I was thinking of penning a reply
to the WSJ, but I didn't think it even dignified a response. 
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From: an4333@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Hi Chacha, would you stop your bullshiting
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:29:31 GMT

iHi Chacha salam from salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au, will you stop your bullshit.
Go and have a nice time with donkey Mustafa.


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