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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:36:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Nov16.163637.1
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Nov16.203105.3467@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson) writes:
> 
> Also, Andre Hastings attempted to field a punt in the end zone.  He
> fumbled then recovered the fumble and attempted to return the punt.
> He was subsequently tackled for an apparent safety.  Did anyone see
> this on TV and get an explanation?  If AU had been awarded the two
> points, they could have kicked a field goal for the win, rather than
> run a play.
> 
The call was correct on this one.  The ball was over Hastings' head, and
when he first touched the ball, he had one foot in and one foot out of the
end zone (not that it matters; his momentum carried him into the end zone).
He was moving backwards into the end zone (actually, he sort of half-spun
around as he tried to make the catch), and dropped the ball several yards
deep in the end zone.  He picked the ball up and tried to run with it,
and was tackled in the end zone.  Since he never had possession of the
ball outside of the end zone, and the ball's momentum had originally
carried it into the end zone, and he never came out of the end zone,
no way it could be a safety.  He would have had to run out of the end zone
and back in again for it to be a safety.  A touchback was the proper
call.  Attempting to run it out is irrelevant.

If Stan White hadn't thrown that truly stupid pass that was intercepted
in the end zone on the next-to-last drive, we could have kicked the
field goal and not had to score a touchdown on the last drive, too.
Lots of coulda, woulda, shoulda in this or any other close game.  Well,
at least Stan cut it down to 1 real bonehead play this week.  If he
can cut it down to 0 next week, Bama's got real trouble on its hands.

Larry Owen
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cougar Bowl Hopes?
Summary: Holiday Bowl?
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:05:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

I swear that I've read repeatedly that the Hancock Bowl (Dec 31, El Paso, 
$1.1M per team) is supposed to take the 4th place Pac10 team.

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl (Was: Why Michigan Sucks)
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov18.231724.11186@guinness.idbsu.edu>
	<ASH.92Nov20154613@ulysses.mr.ams.com>
	<1ejnddINN3l0@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:22:26 GMT

In article <1ejnddINN3l0@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:

   >ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
   >>Why?  I thought the consensus of opinion was that Washington was
   >>somewhat weaker this year, and that Michigan was somewhat stronger.
   >I think the consensus is that Michigan is still a very good team.  However, the
   >highly favorable opinion that Michigan enjoyed earlier in the season has now
   >been tempered by their performances against Purdue and Illinois.

Which has, perhaps, been tempered by this weekend's past performance.
Or perhaps not, since a probably overrated Michigan team tied a
definitely underrated Ohio State team at Ohio State.  On the other
hand, Washington managed to get soudly whupped in the snow bowl, so
perhaps the Rose Bowl should be renamed the Doze Bowl?



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Latest Tempe Rumor, Thursday morning edition
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:31:24 GMT


     Latest rumor has the Fiesta Bowl favoring
Colorado over Stanford to face Syracuse, since
they feel Colorado would bring more fans.

     Also, supposedly the Blockbuster Bowl
is "salivating" over a potential Bill Walsh -
Joe Paterno matchup.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: I'M BACK!!
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov20.222617.12221@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.222617.12221@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

   >corsol@byron.u.washington.edu (Lee Corso) writes:

   >>My picks for this Saturday:

   >>UCLA 42, USC 21           Tommy "Gun" Maddox works his magic again.  Mazio 
   >>                          Royster's performance for USC is not good enough to
   >>                          beat the mighty upset-minded Bruins...

   >hm.  didja know that Youngun Maddox is now with the Denver Broncos dude?
   >He may be playing on sunday vs. duh raiders - maybe you are picking
   >him to win on sunday too?

   >::j

Hmm, a non-anti-Michigan post by ::j.  Is this, perhaps, a parallel
universe?



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:52:15 GMT

In article <7083@news.duke.edu> daniel@raphael.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.174514.14501@infonode.ingr.com>, 
>knightb@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (William B. Knight) writes:  
>|> 
>|> And on Hearst's 64 yd TD reception, Georgia had 2 men in motion and so
>|> on and so forth.  I thought the refs did a pretty good job of staying out

>|> of the game and only mildly blew it at the end.  AU definitely got screwed,
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> but should have run 2 pass plays before trying the run up the middle.
>|> 
>
>Here are a few quotes from today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
>
>"SEC ATTEMPTS TO CLARIFY END OF GEORGIA-AUBURN"
>
>"The SEC statement said, first, that NCAA rules 'do not allow for
>the clock to be stopped on a fumble when it is obvious the ball has
>been recovered by the offensive team.  The official's responsibility
>is to mark the spot of the recovery.
>"'2. Once the teams have cleared, the ball should be spotted by the
>umpire at the progress point marked by the covering official.  The
>referee shall then utilize the following procedure as outlined in the
>Football Officials Manual:
>"'"After each down the referee is required to go to the approximate
>position of the ball.  He should then check the down and distance with
>the linesman, announce and indicate the new down, then declare the ball
>ready for play by giving the ready signal [the time elapsed during this
>procedure is approximately four to six seconds]."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"' The referee is not to vary the timing of this procedure throughout
>the game regardless of the condition.  This could result in the loss
>of a down or an inaccurate placement of the ball.'"
>
>
>It is apparent, then, that the officials acted exactly as the rules dictate.
>IMHO, AU "screwed" themselves by calling a running play to begin with.  
>
>Oh, well.
>T. Daniel Crawford
>(Not a UGA fan, just a grad student from Duke, desparately waiting for hoops!)

Nice try Daniel, but upon further reviewing the tape of the game, the
ref help up his hand indicating 3rd down and there was still 13 seconds
on the clock at that point.  Under the expressed rules above, Auburn
was robbed of a few seconds.  However, as an Auburn fan I am angered
that Auburn got itself into that position in the first place.

Bob E.

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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Hypothetical Pac-10 Rose Bowl bid
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:59:44 GMT

In <1992Nov20.195547.8740@newsgate.sps.mot.com> george@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Binay George) writes:

>Can anyone enlighten me on what would happen if

>Washington was 6-2 - lost to Washington State & won against USC
>Washington State was 6-2 - lost to USC and won against Washington
>USC was 6-2 - lost to Washington and won against Washington State

>Who would go to the Rose Bowl?

Washington

>Thanks.

Don't mention it.

>Binay





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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Cotton Powder Puffs!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.223648.6051@u.washington.edu>
sujan@stein.u.washington.edu (Sujan Punyamurthula) writes:
>Why is Notre Dame predicted to go to Cotton Bowl?
>After plying wimpy conference teams, A&M will end up
>with another powder/cotton puff.

WHOOOOOOA! Now why would Notre Dame come to the Cotton bowl? Where is that
logic? 
>
>Hope it will change after USC thumps ND.
>
>Go Huskies
>GO Pac10
>sj
>



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Subject: Re: Iowa State beats Nebraska?!?!?!?!
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:49:34 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1689FD9ED.UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU>, UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU writes:
>Well, I'll say that we will learn from this, but it always seems to happen to
>us no matter what Osborne does. 

Osborne said he tried to tell his players to be ready.  That ISU is
no pushover.  On the otherhand, KSU did the same thing in Columbia.
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Showboating etc. (Was: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami)
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <1992Nov16.142422.13998@lgc.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:59:48 GMT

Matt Shostak writes:

>I realize that football is an extremely emotional game and that some
>celebration is appropriate, but it seems to me that it is getting out of
>hand.  Are there fans who actually enjoy this sort of thing?  (Are they
>the same ones who like astroturf and domed stadiums?)

A picture from this weekend which will stick in my mind for a while was the 
celebration by a Miami (Fla) receiver in the endzone (complete with back flip 
causing me to wonder if he paractices palying the game as much as he practices 
his touchdown dance) following a ruling by the official that the pass was 
trapped.  As sson as the Hurricane's dance was over, the Temple defender did a 
back flip in ridicule of the overly exhuberant Hurricane.

     - Pat
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Some comments
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:12 EST  

In article <BxMnBC.30@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall) writes...
>In article <10NOV199219213819@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:

[my ultimate solution to the multiple-poll multiple-champion morass which 
we currently have deleted]

>I see a couple of problems with this system:
> 
>     1)  Playoff rounds the first three weekends of December.
>         Remember that these players are also (primarily?!) 
>         STUDENTS and have strange things like FINAL EXAMS
>         to worry about at that time of year.

This is a potential problem, and might keep schools like Penn St, Notre 
Dame, Stanford, and Northwestern out of the tournament, leaving it for the 
Miami's and Florida State's.  On the other hand, they don't take breaks for 
mid-terms.  I would think there would be a way to work exams into the 
schedule between games.


>     2)  It may preserve YOUR tradition of New Years Day by 
>         having one lone bowl game.  Not mine!  I find a 
>         certain tradition in shaking off the New Years Eve 
>         cobwebs while watching the Rose Bowl Parade in the 
>         morning then settling down to a full afternoon and
>         evening of football where several teams go home with 
>         their heads held high because they WON A NEW YEARS 
>         DAY BOWL GAME!!!

Eight of 'em?  Do you realize John Cooper got a great big bonus for getting 
Ohio St into the Hall of Fame Bowl, just because the schedule had it on Jan 
1??  New Years Day is the end of the season, and the day when the best team 
(plural, some years) is determined.  That should be preserved.  Post-Bowl 
playoffs will really take the meaning out of these games, and that is what 
we're headed for.  Mine is just a suggestion for keeping the season's 
climax on NYD, while solving the shared-championship mess.

> 
>Finally, I just do not think it is that important for the fans 
>and the MEDIA to know conclusively who the national champion is!
> 

You may be right.  But you are definitely in the minority, and it's a 
losing argument.  Some sort of playoff is coming, it's just a question of 
how long it takes, and what form it'll be in when it gets here.  I'd like 
to see the bowls as part of it.

R Dendy

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Keywords: sarcasm about the enforcement goons
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.002139.10142@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Because of violations committed by ONLY its track and field program, all Tulsa
>University team sports have been placed on 3 years probation and banned from 
>post-season play this year.  That's right, ALL Tulsa team sports.  Additionally,
>all Tulsa team sports will be forced to forfeit victories for the past 3? years,
>costing the women's golf team a national title.

Yes, when they actually find evidence of wrongdoing in one sport, it makes
perfect sense that they trash the entire athletic program.  It's only when 
they cannot prove anything that they limit themselves to trashing just the 
one suspected sport.

Really?  They surrender a 3-year-old title?  One can only bow to such
wisdom.  (Bowing sounds).  If this is true, I feel sorry for and can
sympathize with Tulsa, FWIW.

JB 
(one last bow before I go)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Subject: Brown U. football
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:48:18 GMT


I was just reading clari.sports.football.college which listed the current
standings of all college football teams...

                      SOUTHWESTERN ATHLETIC

				   Conference      All Games
                                W L T  Pts OP    W L  T  Pts OP
Pr. View                        0 7 0  29  298   0 11 0  54  441


                           IVY LEAGUE

                    		   Conference     All Games
                                W L T Pts OP    W L  T Pts OP
Brown                           0 7 0 112 218   0 10 0 156 333


Brown and Pr. View were the only two schools to have zero wins in all games,
but hey, at least we scored more total points... 156 for the season vs. 54
by Pr. View.  Kinda makes me feel better about coming from Iowa and cheering
for the Hawks :)

So now I ask:  What school is Pr. View?  I've never heard of this one before.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: djryan@ga.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan)
Subject: F S U!
Followup-To: FSU #3 
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:44:15 GMT


'Bout time the polls respected quality (ACC champs, winners of
4 of 5 road games against ranked opponents, loser only to #1
Miami in the final play) instead of quantity (did A&M play 
any team of note this year?).

The polls SHOULD reflect the best team at that point of the
season, not a team's record. A team that has the misfortune
of playing patsies should blow them out, or else be suspect.
To say the least, A&M is suspect. FSU isn't. By the way, FSU
beat A&M in the Cotton Bowl 10-2 (in A&M's home state) to
end last season, so there is a metric of sorts to use between
the two teams (albeit a little weak).

Sign me as another Nole fan who hopes that the fact that FSU
has the best team in the country at the end of the season
is reflected with a #1 ranking for once. They've certainly
been screwed a few times lately in that regard. 

Go Noles! Stomp the Gators! And then stomp the Canes on New
Year's Day!

Unless the Canes chicken out and stay home...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mwharff@iastate.edu (Michael D Wharff)
Subject: Re: I-AA Playoff Picture
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:34:40 GMT

In <1992Nov17.050642.28148@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:



>PDunn's picks:

>NE Louisiana        Idaho               Eastern Kentucky  Eastern Washington
>The Citadel         Western Carolina    Samford           Western Illinois
>Delaware            Richmond            Youngstown St.    Massachusetts
>Marshall            Middle Tennessee    McNeese St.       Villanova

Are these your personal preferences on the playoffs or predictions?  I was
just wondering whether Northern Iowa was an oversight.  and why Western 
Illinois was picked over S.W. Missouri.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:48:44 GMT

Someone writes:

How about if ND drops the Navy game from its schedule, and decides to resume
series with Miami??? Navy hasn't won a game in this series since the 60's.
What do you ND'ers think??

 Robert Szczerba writes:

   Miami should also drop their easiest game.

   One thing to consider ... Navy (and all of ND's opponents) are
   Division I-A schools ... unlike some of Miami's opponents.

Wow Robert , I go up to Syracuse to see the game and come back to see
all this nonsense. We Miami fans want to see Memphis State next year
and I think a Division I-AA Southern Georgia. Their current opponents
have posted frequently how tough these 2 are so hell I'm glad we'll
find out.

I know the subject of this thread was to ND fans but I figure that 1st
you should know that we true Miami fans don't care if we ever play ND
again. BTW  Why have you mentioned Fiesta and ND and Miami ???
Aren't you supposed to go to the Orange Bowl so the New Yorkers in Miami
can pick on you ???     


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Can ANYBODY beat Washington????
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:56:31 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <168A89B7D.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>What?  Don't you know the answer?
>
>Can they even win the Rose Bowl?


Woofing God, my Woofing God, please, please, give me snowstorm at Pasadena
on Jan 01.  Give me, my babe, a giant snowstorm at Pasadena on Jan 01.
Give me Minnesota, give me Alaska, give me North Pole on Jan. 01.  Bring them
to Pasadena, please, please...


                                  - Louis (segmentation_fault@um.cc.umich.edu)

                                   <a disappointed but still true Michigan fan>
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:49:00 GMT

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>Dave "Lee Corso" Meeks writes:

>>Bottom line, the only explanation I can see for this is margin of victory.
>>Miami has schedule strength, they have Won/lost/tie total, they have defense,
>> etc...  Does anyone out there realize that Iowa, Arizona, FSU, PSU, TCU, 
>>and Temple all had their WORST offensive point totals against Miami???

>And does anyone out there realize he's wrong?  TCU scored 10 against Miami,
>and only 9 against the Mighty Mustangs of Southern Methodist, including a
>TD on a kickoff return.  I thought of this one off the top of my head, so
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the others may be wrong, too.

   I thought only that 1000 points of light came off the top of your head ;-)

>Since this is the only common opponent, does this mean SMU's defense is better
>than Miami's?
   
   Not only is SMU's D-|+++|+++|+++| better but so is Virginia's .


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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Stanford Bowl-bound
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:03:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165555.29752@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>     Latest rumors in Tempe have Syracuse matched
>up with Colorado or Stanford.  If Stanford beats
>Cal, they would be preferred over USC even if USC
>is higher in the rankings (should the Fiesta indeed
>decide to go the Pac-10 route).

Thanks for the info, Ralph -- it's hard to keep up with the Tempe rumor
mill.

Oh yeah: GO CAL!!!
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