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From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Galloway's Marathon Schedule
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:32:15 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <43VO020T20ep01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tad10@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Dickinson) writes:

> I also like his idea of cutting your long run mileage in 
> half on alternate weeks (your long runs for the last
> several weeks would be ...18,9,20,10,22,11,24,12,26,13 for
> example) to give your body plenty of rest, but I'm not
> sure it provides enough overall mileage for a successful
> marathon.
> 
So what do YOU define as a successful marathon? If you are defining
a successful marathon as finishing, then yes, you will be
successful. Overall mileage is not as important, in my opinion,
as the number of long runs.

All marathon programs work on the principal of building up the
long runs. The more long runs you have, the better chance
you have of completing the marathon distance. I know one person
who has run 30+ marathons and refuses to compete unless he has
a minimum of 3 runs of 20+ miles. However, he really strives to
put in 6 runs of 20+ miles.

Please note: I have been talking about a goal of completing the
marathon. For runners who want to achieve a certain time, they
first lay down a base of long runs, and then work on speed. For
them, doing the distance is not the issue. Rather, they are trying
to do the distance within a certain time. 

For a first-time marathoner, I think the goal should be to finish.
That in itself is a wonderful achievement. And to be honest about
it, most first-time runners probably decide 'too late' to run a
marathon to build up any speed. They have to spend their time just
building up to the marathon distance.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hmiller@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Hugh Miller)
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure, Pulse, and running
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:58:57 GMT

In <1992Aug25.231448.14729@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:

>This reminded me of a question I meant to post: My resting pulse rate
>is also in the low 40's (clocked as low as 39 but normally around 44).
>However, I regularly get irregularities in the beat, but only when it
>is beating slow. These irregularities are like an extra beat or a
>beat that is way out of time. Happens once or twice in 5 minuites
>a couple of times an hour but only sometimes (usually notice it
>in the evenings). I avoid caffeine which I have noticed makes 
>this effect worse. The more I run, the slower my heart beat gets
>and the more I notice this effect. Anyone have any comments?
>(don't suggest I quit running :)

    Get it checked out.  I have a similar problem.  After 6 sedentary
years (I ran XC, rowed crew in U.) I took up running again: 30 mins/day,
6 days a week, at a target HR of 156.  Soon I had a chronic arrhythmia,
a skipped beat every fourth beat.  (At the time my morning rising pulse
was 68).  A quick-'n'-dirty EKG revealed a lot of PAC's (premature
atrial contractions), but also what looked like PVC's (p. ventricular
c.'s), which are much more serious.
    Had an echocardiogram, treadmill stress test, and a 24-hour Holter
monitor done.  Echo showed mild MVP (mitral valve prolapse), a common
condition in tall skinny folks with pectus excavatus (hollow chests!).
Especially common with athletes' large, floppy hearts.  The PVC's turned
out, on very close examination of the Holter monitor record, to be all
PAC's with associated right bundle branch block, again a common syndrome
with endurance athletes.
    BTW, at high heart rates all pulse irregularities disappeared!
    I knocked off training entirely, drank beer for 2 weeks, and started
over, running only 20 mins. every other day.  Every 4 weeks I added 5
minutes to the total time.  I'm up to 60 mins. every other day.  Morning
rising HR is now 50 (my all-time low was 36, rowing crew), and skipped
beats are a rarity, usually occurring only in the couple of hours after
a run.
    So I turned out OK.  But you may not have the same problem.  I
encourage you to get tested, pronto monto.  PVC's are potentially
serious bidness.

-- 
Hugh Miller         | Dept. of Philosophy | Loyola University of Chicago
Voice: 312-508-2727 |  FAX: 312-508-2292  |    hmiller@lucpul.it.luc.edu
"Read broadly, think scientifically, speak briefly, and sell the goods!"
            -- Sinclair Lewis, _The Man Who Knew Coolidge_
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:56:29 GMT

kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley) writes:

>Running folks --

yep. that's me!

>I am a VERY new runner who has just discovered this newsgroup, which
>looks useful even if some of the topics are a little advanced for me.
>I do have a few novice questions that I am hoping you experienced
>runners can help me with.

>     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>        signs, you figure out how far you have run.  Do you start with

0. Grab can of bright red spray paint.
1. Crank Camaro (preferably with a little Dead in the tape deck (possibly
Terrapin Station? These things are important!8-))
2. Set trip odometer to '0'.
3. Start driving.
4. While (not far enough) do
	a. Stop each (approximate) quarter mile
	b. Paint a line on the asphalt, with a mileage number
	example:
	
	_______________
        
	     4.75

	/* Yeah, I'll miss quite a bit on the 1/4 miles, but it will
	   round out ok over a long distance.(i.e., my 1/4 may be off a
	   bit, but a ten mile track laid out with the odometer won't
	   reflect how bad I'm off on the quarters.) For intervals, I don't 
	   use the road much anyway !*/

5. Paint last mile marker, go home, change into Asics and try it out!


Carpe viam!

Just one more mile,
jim p.
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
This life is a test. It is only a test. If it had been a real life, you 
would have been given instructions....
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jim Burris)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss (Was: Decent Pace for Fat People?)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:52:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.150418.13137@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.133628.11531@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>>
>>James Douglas Del-Vecchio (n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu) wrote:
>>: 
>>: I am aiming for cardivascular improvement, a lower resting
>>: pulse (currently ~70min), faster times, and possibly a small amount 
>>: of weight loss, although that is not as important to me right now.
>>
>>all of these goals sound like Long Slow Distance, unpleasant as that may
>>seem right now! _Especially_ the weight loss one -
>
>Just for fun, here's an opposing viewpoint.  The Runner's World diary
>(you know, the one you log all your miles in) had a column on interval
>training.  It claimed that the bulk of cardiovascular improvement (in
>terms of "stroke volume") happened during recovery.  Therefore, the more
>recoveries, supposedly the more improvement.  Hence the idea behind
>interval training.
>
>So if you really want CV improvement, then 1/4 mile intervals may not be
>a bad idea.  However, I've also read (in an old, say 70s, book by
>Dr. Joan Ullyot, a marathoner) that it is not a good idea to do intervals
>until you've built up an endurance base.
>
>Once again, probably the best advice is to do what you would do.  If
>you'll stop running because you hate long distances, then do the
>intervals.  But you might be able to do the intervals better if you
>added in some distance.
>
>Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
>mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
>...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls

First, visit your physician and recieve a clean bill of health. Then, alter
your diet to about 20/55/25 percent protein/carbo/fat. Gradually walk/run three
time/week until you can comfortably travel 3 miles. Also, include weight
training 2-3 times/week for 20-30 minutes. Muscle consumes more calories than
fat, and weight training will help to balance muscle groups. Remember than the
larger the muscle (i.e. legs) the more energy consumed and the more work for
the heart. After 1-2 months, you can increase your distances, but not more than
10%/week. Also, 1-2 days interval training will increase your anaerobic
fitness. Anyway, you can get this info from a variety of places. My best advise
would be to not push it. Take your time, walk if you need/want to, and don't
feel too bad if you skip a day or two. Just try to build a routine of 3 days/wk
at some comfortable level. If it is too hard, and not fun, you won't stick to
it.

Jim Burris
Xref: sparky rec.running:2403 rec.sport.triathlon:1090
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Glycerol & sweating
Keywords: gross, poison, better_living_through_chemistry
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:11:05 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center



> Ken Lehner writes:

> Terry Linhardt posted a quote
> from a research article entitled "Glycerol Lowers Heart Rates and Helps Cool
> Runners' Bodies in Recent New Mexico Tests".
> ...
> So, does anyone know the story on taking this stuff internally?  It sounds
> like just the ticket for my "problem", but I really don't want to die while
> running/biking.
> ...
> My next step is to track down the actual studies done.

Quoted from the very same article referenced above, "It can give some
runners a bloody-awful headache," and "...44 percent of cyclists taking
in glycerol during exercise became nauseated, bloated, or light headed.
and "...might also cause cerebral dehydration."

So, I wouldn't be too hasty to chug this crap to enhance my running
performance, would you?

To track down the info. from the actual studies,

"Physiological Responses to Glycerol Ingestion During Exercise", Jrnl
of Appl Physiology, vol 71, pp 144-149, 1991

"Glycerol Hyperhydration and Endurance Exercise", Med & Sci in Sports
and Exercise, vol 24, supplement, p S157, 1992

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
From: elman@crl.ucsd.edu (Jeff Elman)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Irregular heartbeat, running and caffeine
Keywords: irregular heartbeat
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:08:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

One common source of PVC's and PAC's is over-training, particularly in
endurance sports.  The heart normally expands with increased training.
This is normal and appropriate.  But if the stretching occurs too
quickly, it can irritate parts of the heart.  Most of the heart has
pace-making capability which is normally suppressed; irritation can
cause these other regions to trigger premature contractions.  (These
are often either masked or supressed during intense exercise, so you
may only notice the problem at rest.)  Eliminating caffeine, cutting
back on the level of training, and re-building at a slower pace will
frequently solve the problem.

However, as several people have pointed out, there are many different
things which can cause an irregular heartbeat.  It can be chronic and
totally benign in some people. In others it can be indicative of a
serious problem.  Get it checked, preferably by a cardiologist who's
knowledgeable about sports medicine.

Jeff Elman
UCSD


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mtc@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Magnetic Technology Center)
Subject: Nike Air Haurache < $100 ???
Organization: One Small Step
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:41:43 GMT

this summer i finally switched from Brooks (a personal favorite
for several years) to Nike Air.  i'm now hooked on the Haurache
but there are problems:

1) the shoes don't last forever (~ 4 months for me, 90km/wk)
2) they cost ~ $110.  yikes!!!

is it possible to get this model shoe for (a lot) less?  thanks
for any info ...

  -the runner-
mtc@henry.ece.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins)
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.235706.18401@u.washington.edu> lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>>hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>>>lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>>>>Of course the sweet taste will cause you to start producing insulin but
>>>>w/o raising your glucose level...
>>I don't believe that artificial sweeteners affect insulin production.
>
>They do because the *taste* triggers the release of insulin.  

Insulin release is triggered by increased blood glucose levels. The
sweet taste of the drink has nothing to do with it.  

Julia

.................................................................
: e-mail:       jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu			:
:...............................................................:
: Given that true intellectual and emotional compatibility are  :
: at the very least difficult, if not impossible, to come by,   :
: we could always opt for the more temporal gratification of    :
: sheer physical attraction.  That wouldn't make you a shallow 	:
: person...would it? 	 		- Lyle Lovett		:
:...............................................................:
From: ejk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (EDWIN J. KAY)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:25:24 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug31.155858.14391@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, lari@saadi.berkeley.ed
u (Francesco Lari) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug30.151215.7447@torag.guild.org>,
>rcheng@torag.guild.org (Raymond Cheng) writes:
>|> In article <5945@transfer.stratus.com> kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
>(Karen Fegley) writes:
>|> >     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>|> >        signs, you figure out how far you have run.
>|>
>|>    Well, since I'm also a cyclist, I just hop on my bike and ride the
>|> route that I'm going to run. My bike has a computer, so it's no sweat
>|> to figure out _exactly_ how far I'll be running if I take a particular
>|> route (by reading the distance meter).
  There is no *exact* way to measure the distance.  Every method includes
  measurement error.  The bicycle odometer can easily be off by 50 feet per
  mile.  For example, if you carefully calibrate your odometer this morning
  and take your bike for a ride this afternoon in the heat, your odometer is
  no longer "accurate."

  
-- 
  --Ed
-------------------------------
Edwin J. Kay, CSEE, 117 Packard Lab, 19 Lehigh U, Bethelehem, PA 18015
(215)758-3623  EJK0@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: Need Tidbits of Advice
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:39:33 GMT

In article <BtLC6K.9z@monitor.com> nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.152433.5244@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>  
>os2user@dougp.austin.ibm.com writes:
>>Does anyone out there have any tricks to getting up early?  I've been
>>trying for years, but have almost resigned myself to just running at night.
>>I've been running for eight or nine years, so I know most of the
normal tricks.
>>If you've got any ideas or suggestions that are off the beaten path, I'd
>>really appreciate it.

>Getting up in the morning .. First of all you need to get a really  
>loud and obnoxious alarm clock and put it as far away from your bed as  
>possible.

Don't forget to make sure your loud and obnoxious alarm clock has a
snooze alarm. Time your alarm clock to run 15 minutes earlier than the
true time, and set it for the time you need to get up. (i.e. 6:00 wake
up call means set it for 5:45). By the time you get up to hit the
snooze the second or third time, you're awake enough you usually won't
fall back asleep (although it's still easy to do). Setting the clock
fast _sometimes_ tricks my 5/8-asleep mind that I _may_ be late
(usually doesn't work), but at least makes you think harder ("Uh--the
clock says it's 6:07 so it must really mean it's 5:--uh, uh, it's
after 5:45 for sure, not yet 6:00--uh, uh"). :)



--
A. Lani Teshima, UH School of Library & Info Studies   o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
A small mind is easily filled with faith.               o|<0_0>--------*
Blessed is a mind too small for doubt.                    \=^-| |____| | 
teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu                                 \_}B   \_}B
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari)
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Reply-To: lari@robotics.berkeley.edu 	
Organization: UC Berkeley Signal Processing VLSI Group
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:58:58 GMT


In article <1992Aug30.151215.7447@torag.guild.org>,
rcheng@torag.guild.org (Raymond Cheng) writes:
|> In article <5945@transfer.stratus.com> kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
(Karen Fegley) writes:
|> >     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
|> >        signs, you figure out how far you have run.
|> 
|>    Well, since I'm also a cyclist, I just hop on my bike and ride the
|> route that I'm going to run. My bike has a computer, so it's no sweat
|> to figure out _exactly_ how far I'll be running if I take a particular
|> route (by reading the distance meter).
|> 
|>    Obviously, you don't have a computer-equipped bike. However, any
|> semi-serious cyclist will most likely have a computer on his bike, so
|> ask one of your cyclist friends if you can use his/her bike.
|> 
|>    Of course, if all that fails, a computer only costs about $25 for
|> a bare-bones one (without cadence meter). Not that I'd consider
|> getting a computer if all I owned was some department-store clunker.
|> 
|>    Hope this helps.
|> 
|> -- 
|>      ...Cheng
|> 

Well, the simplest way of measuring a distance with a bycicle is to put a 
red mark on the wheel, push the bycicle by hand and count the wheel 
revolutions. No computer needed, lot of time needed. But it is also 
very reliable, since you can go exactly where you would go running, 
while riding a bycicle this is not always possible. 

		     FRANCESCO 

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: Blair_Rosser@sfu.ca (Blair Allan Rosser)
Subject: Re: Tendonitus question
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Excite Center, Simon Fraser University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.135930.14515@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) wrote:
...
> The book I was reading said 'cut out hill and speed work, back off on mileage,
> and treat with stretching before and after, and ice for a half hour after the
> run to control inflammation, and aspirin (as an anti-inflammatory). This cure
> should take about two weeks.'
> 
> For me, that turned out gospel. 
...
> Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
> Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  

I'll second this advice. Also, try out a new pair of shoes. I find
the problem is often exacerbated by shoes that are past their prime.
Don't experiment with new name brands. This can also exacerbate the
tendon, as any new shoe (even of the same type) changes your foot
strike slightly.

I have had Achilles Tendonitis for 10 years now (brought on by a
combination of road racing, high mileage, hill training, and
steeplechase training!!!). Before I developed the tendonitis, I thought
my body was pretty much indestructable. Since then, my fitness level has
ping-ponged from elite to couch potatoe, and any time the Achilles bothers
me, it is because I am trying to do more than my body (the Achilles) 
could handle.

I now use the tendonitis as a barometer: if it feels fine, I know I can
up the mileage and the intensity a bit. Tell tale signs of overtraining
are stiffness in the joint (particularly in the mornings), soreness to 
the touch, and the tendon becomes inflamed when I'm doing speed work,
hills, or running on uneven surfaces.

The real key here is recognizing this as the weakest link in the fitness
chain. If it breaks, the machine don't *run*, and just getting the runs
in is the most important thing for me right now.

cheers,
b. (marathon bound....)

--------------
Blair_Rosser@sfu.ca
Excite Centre, Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, BC, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: justin@mlfarm.com (Justin Florence)
Subject: Sore Heel and Ankle
Keywords: Injury 
Organization: Maple Lawn Farm, Stonington, CT 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:52:32 GMT

I would appreciate any help on the following problem I have developed.
For the last few days, I have had severe pain on the outside of my
right heel area, below the ankle bone.  It flares up acutely after
running only a mile or two.  I have been running for my school
cross-country team for three years and have never previously had more
than a small ache in this area.  I'm 14 years old, 5'-3" and weigh
about 95 lbs.

I've been wearing a comfortable pair of Asics Gel Lyte III's this
summer without any other problems.  I normally run 3 to 7 miles
without any problems.

Should I apply ice, heat, or do any special exercises?  I'm just
getting back into shape for running and don't want to miss too many
practices, but I don't want a permanent problem.  I don't think this
is related, but I just got back from a week of backpacking in hiking
boots, during which the heel didn't bother me.

-- 

Justin Florence                 Owner & General Manager              
justin@mlfarm.com               Maple Lawn Farmers (EFBL a04)
From: bader@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Joel Bader)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: mile intervals in nyc
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:46:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cucbs.BADER.92Sep3124655
Distribution: rec.running
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University

Does anyone know a good place to do measured mile intervals
close to Columbia (116th & B'way)?  I'll list my present choices,
and the drawbacks of each:
1. Baker's field track - far uptown, closed to all but varsity athletes
     according to the athletic department
2. Riverside park - no markings for distance
3. Reservoir in Central Park - marked well but overcrowded, especially
     for intervals
4. Delacorte oval - marked well but a 5 mile round trip for me
Thanks,
Joel Bader
From: navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Irregular heartbeat, running and caffeine
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:16:10 GMT
Reply-To: navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Boston University


   I wouldn't worry about it.  I have it happen occasionally, and I'm 19 yrs
old, and supposedly my body should be at peak shape or something.  (Note the
use of the word "supposedly"!  8)

   I remember reading somewhere that this is perfectly normal, and the only
reason you notice it at night or while resting is because these are probably
the only times that you're really paying attention.  If it's really frequent or
affects you in some way, seek out a physician who can do a proper test to make
sure that it isn't something bigger...

   Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary.  I'm only an entering medical student,
	       so please don't sue me.  8)


	Dipesh Navsaria (navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu)
	"Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty."

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