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From: aar001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: The Legacy of the McRib...(Ooo! Ahh!)
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:11:36 GMT


	Mr. Ribb VS. McRibb

		The legacy of the McRibb origonally began years ago at a now
	dissappearing food joint called Maid Right.  The sauce and meet patties
	were very much like you see them today.  
		Then in the Mid- 80's a national food distibution outlet picked
	up the Mr. Ribb pattie and began distributing it to institutions.  
	(The used to serve them at my little Iowa school 3 times a month!)
		Eventually, McDonnalds caught onto the idea and began marketing
	the McRibb, an exact (give or take a little) duplicate of the origonal
	Mr. Ribbs.  The sauce that is used (to the best of my knowledge) is
	the same that came with the origonal sandwitch EXCEPT that McDonalds
	is watered down (or as they will try to say, collects moisture)

	Maid-Rite came up with the concept, but McDonalds came up with the
	Idea to charge $2.25 for it!  (Prices may varry nationally...)

							Sincerely,
							Andy Russell

	NOTE:	All items are subject to INSANITY and thus open to change 
		without any notice!

	P.S.  STEVEN, did you ever work at a McDonalds?  You seem to post a
	      lot!  :)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: rpearman@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ryan Pearman)
Subject: Re: Intelligent STANDARD menu items...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:33:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.023600.1@acad.drake.edu> aar001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>	Ok, so McDonalds has Good low cost Hamburgers and Cheeseburgers, but
>	I there are still two items that I go to Hardee's for:
>
>				Hot Ham & Cheese's
>				Bacon CheeseBurgers
>
>							     couldn't they
>	fry a little bacon?  Wendy's, Arby's, Hardee's and most small cafe's
>	and restraunts can!
>
>							Anyone care to comment?
>							Andy Russell
>							DesMoines, IA
>

	The reason McD's doesn't implement the baconburger is that there
simply not enough grill space to cook the bacon.  During any rush, all of
the grills are taken up cooking those "good" hamburgers.  I worked at a 
McDonalds when they had some bacon double cheesburger special, and we 
couldn't keep up with cooking the bacon.  The only way Hardee's and Wendy's 
and the like can do it is because they are not nearly as busy as McD's gets.
It's just too impractical.
 
>	P.S	Why are most of these posts coming from Iowa?
>
>	PARTS IS PARTS -- Statment over heard from manager at Kentucky F**ked
>			  chicken.
			  and conversations about McNuggets.......

	--RyanMan
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Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Intelligent STANDARD menu items...
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:50:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

aar001@acad.drake.edu writes:

>	. . . there are still two items that I go to Hardee's for:
>
>				Hot Ham & Cheese's
>				Bacon CheeseBurgers
>

I thought Hardee's discontinued Hot Ham & Cheese.  Or did they just remove
it from their menus?  Those are tasty and good 'wiches.

I'll take two.

- s t e v e n

Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Helllo
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:46:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: spicy ketchup?

niceswangern@bvc.edu writes:
>yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
>
> > alt.mcdonalds.ketchup...
> > ..Sounds interesting.  I love ketchup, but especially when mixed with  
> > tabasco or any other hot sauce.  Do they have spice ketchup at mcD's ?
>
>You've got to be kidding.
>

A lot - maybe even a majority in some of these states - of McD's in 
New Mexico, Texas, Colorado and Arizona offer green chile on any item
for an additional $0.10-0.25.

I'll take two.

- s t e v e n
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell)
Subject: Re: Whither Cheddar Melt? & Subway bacon
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:21:49 GMT

In article <8nlpg7b@lynx.unm.edu> trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>What are your opinions of the Cheddar Melt?
>
>Was it just my imagination, or was it bigger (maybe a
>third-of-a-pound, or just flatter) in its very first
>go-around?

When it was tested in DFW a couple years ago it was a regular quarter-pound
patty with those nastY grilled onions and that nasty cheese.  It is very
difficult for McD workers to convince customers to try THIS AMAZING NEW
AND TASTY BURGER when it is so disgusting.

And, so far as I know, everything Subway sells (with the exception of bread
dough) comes to the store ready-to-eat.  The bacon is merely warmed in the 
microwave and not cooked.

WBB

--
Will Bell -- bell@cs.tamu.edu -- Live from the heart of Scenic Central Texas
"I prefer to have life filtered through television."             
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: rpearman@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ryan Pearman)
Subject: Re: Intelligent STANDARD menu items...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:20:20 GMT

trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:

>I know that Subway, for one, microwave their bacon.  I *think* that my
>local (not to be confused with lo-cal) Wendy's nukes their pig-strips
>too.
>
>Just fuel for thought,
>
>steven

	Thats why McD's doesn't do it.  They would have to nuke the bacon.
Of all the fast-food places, that's why I probabaly go there the most: all
of their food is cooked fresh.  Anything else would taste worse.
	BTW, I should recind part of what I said earlier.  McD's is starting
to implement a ultra-microwave which warms up a hamburger in three seconds.
Maybe I will go to Wendy's.......

	--RyanMan

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Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS)
Subject: Re: <<<** McCondoms **>>>
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.182009.1@acad.drake.edu> aar001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>	Oh   My  Gawd....  I don't believe what I heard...
>
>		In an effort to improve and protect (LITERALLY) its customers,
>	certain inner-city McDonnalds stores will begin featuring McCondom
>	machines in BOTH the women's and Men's bathrooms.  Due to the fact 
>	that most McDonalds Customers are Middle to Lower Class American 
>	citizens, McDonalds employess have decided that protecting the youth
>	of this world from Aids and other Social diseases, They re,
>        in a way protecting their own business interests.  The Dead Can't Buy 
>	Burgers!
>
>		Please Say it ain't SO!!!!  Do the condoms have McDonnald-land
>		charactors on them?  How much will they cost?  Can anyone 
>		confirm this?  Is this just a rumor? 
>
>	Inquiring minds want to know!
>
>							-=[Andy Russell]=-
>							AAR001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU

	This is a case of mis-information. A novelty producer began
	marketing the McCondom but Mcd's quickly had the product removed
	from the market for trademark infringement.


Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Bizarre Regional McFood Trials...
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:27:11 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God

In article <1bct66INNh0v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Manfred K. Hanley) writes:
>
>Back home (in the wonderful land of Oz. where I hail from) we
>frequently get `subjected' to their  new product trials. By
>far the most notable of those is the `McRib' - a really
>disgusting looking pork rib (we think) complete with regulation
>bun. So far, only one of my friends has been game enough to try
>it. His verdict... edible (barely). As long as all the other shops
>have closed, McDonalds have sold out of every other item, you're
>on your 25th day without food AND you douse it in any other sauce
>you can find!
	Well, I am here to recommend the McRib. When they have it, I
alway get several, since it never seems to last for more than a few
weeks at a time. I will go out of my way for a McRib and dine on nothing
else while they are available. I love them. 
	I posted to alt.tasteless recently about back when I was working
at McDs and got to cook the Food of the Ghods(tm). It was pure bliss. I
hope they bring them back soon. All this talk about the McRibis giving
me a craving for one.

-- 
"Hey, Guido! It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and
you're the lemon merchant. Getit? And he knows it! That's why he's gonna kill
us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah, before he lets loose the marmosets on us! - Ren
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: aar001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: **>>> McCondoms<<<**  Thanks 4 Info...
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:14:50 GMT


	Thanks for setting me straight about McCondoms.  I couldn't believe
	that McDonalds would really do such a thing anyway, but it sounded
	crazy enough to be true!!!

								-=[Andy]=-

	
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: rpearman@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ryan Pearman)
Subject: Re: Whither Cheddar Melt?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:21:53 GMT

In article <8nlpg7b@lynx.unm.edu> trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>What are your opinions of the Cheddar Melt?
>
>Was it just my imagination, or was it bigger (maybe a
>third-of-a-pound, or just flatter) in its very first
>go-around?
>
>I *liked* that burger.
>
>- s t e v e n

Nope.  It was always 1/4 pound.

	--RyanMan
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From: Richard Griffiths
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:17:07 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton

>
>Forgive my ignorance, but what is the 'bicameral mind'?
>How is it defined, what are it's properties?
>And how many alternatives are there to it... is the alternative
>merely called the 'modern mind', or something?
>

By "bicameral mind" Jaynes means a mind which experiences it self as split into
two components, a volitionless automaton, and a commanding executive.  The
executive component is experienced by the automaton as an external entity (the
voice of gods, ancestors etc.)  Jaynes suggests that the condition of
schizophrenia is produced by this mechanism, auditory halucinations eminating
from the executive component located in the right hemisphere.  For what it's
worth, it has struck me that autism may exemplify the volitionless automaton
side of the notion.

There is some (!) controversy over the plausibility of the neurology that
Jaynes proposes, and over other aspects of his theory, but there is something
very compelling about his idea that consciousness may have a precise point of
evolution, and a 'software' evolution at that.  Even the blessed Dennett has
suggested that in this respect Jaynes must be right. [DC Dennett "Julian
Jaynes's software archeology" in Canadian Psychology 1986, 27:2 - which was a
special issue on Jaynes theory.]  

I suppose the alternative to bicameral is the conscious or unicameral (the
'contemporary mind') which may come in a number of varieties, no doubt.  The
point is to indicate a step-change in evolution at some point in time.
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:10:33 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

In article <6429@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, mshute@cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm Shute) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct8.151707.15169@unix.brighton.ac.uk> Richard Griffiths writes:
|> >>In article <whatever> I wrote:
|> >>Forgive my ignorance, but what is the 'bicameral mind'?
|> >>How is it defined, what are it's properties?
|> >>And how many alternatives are there to it... is the alternative
|> >>merely called the 'modern mind', or something?
|> >I suppose the alternative to bicameral is the conscious or unicameral
|> 
|> Interesting.  You think it moves in that direction.  So that consciousness
|> has resulted from a unification of the mind... and perhaps by extrapolation,
|> that the 'lower' animals have polycameral minds??

Having gone back and skimmed some of the book, I find that part of
what JJ is talking about is the localization of language.  He points
to the fact that, while both left and right halves of the brain appear
capable of developing language, only one side actually does.  This
gives us a single, overpowering "center" that "talks to us".

He suggests that at one time, both hemishperes developed language,
resulting in a dual consciousness with more than one center "talking"
to us.

JJ seeks to show that some ancient writings show evidence of such
a mental state, which is a pretty shaky claim.  (It's hard enough
to tell the "mental state" of the writer in contemporary literature,
let alone literature in a language noone speaks anymore from a culture
separated from us by 1000's of years.)

Part of his thesis also seems to be that language developed first
and then hemispheric dominance happened.  Exactly how this might
happen is completely unknown, and obviously leaves no fossil traces.
Lots of other hypotheses exist--perhaps hemispheric dominance
emerged (for unknown reasons) and then led to the development of
languages.  Do non-human species exhibit handedness? (I think
so, but I could be worng.) If so, then they have a dominant hemishpere 
but no language.  Is this consistant with JJ's ideas?

Even if you grant that hemispheric dominance emerged after language,
and very late in human evolution (which is pretty speculative),
there is an awful lot of explaining to do about the genetic bases
of this, how such a mutation might occur, and how it might be 
maintained.  Is a unicameral "one voice talking" mind so great
that it could take over the entire gene pool in a few generations?
If so, what is its great advantage?

These comments should give you a flavor of the controversial nature
of JJ's claims.  He succeeded in getting people to think about the
origins of consciousness, but his own theory is VERY speculative.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does human Life BEGIN?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:01:11 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct6.164732.1558@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

[ McElwaine's usual rubbish deleted]

So McElwaine's pro-choice.  So am I.  Yet I disagree with almost everything 
in his post.  eg I don't believe in souls for a start!


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: beleg@cash.isri.unlv.edu (Andrew Bagdanou)
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Reply-To: beleg@isri.unlv.edu
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:45:05 GMT

Mr. Gilbert,
     I have a question for you.  If we consider what the Buddha
discovered to be a release from suffering, then how can Mr. Kennaway
be right?  If I interpreted you correctly, you are suggesting that the
analyzation of suffering is what allows us to rise above the
condition.  I believe analyzation to be an ability due to logic and/or
intelligence, not spiritual enlightenment.  And further more, I come
from a family of "analyzers" whose analyzing at one time or another
has been the cause of additional suffering.  
     When I suggest that pessimism will be forgotten,  I'm suggesting
that the human approach to problem solving will be experienced in a 
different light. I'm not suggesting utopianism except possibly of the 
spirit.
    
-BB
From: bennett@deepthought.unm.edu (Paul Bennett)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: dharma
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:05:23 GMT
Distribution: alt.consciousness
Organization: Dept. of Math & Stat, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


      Mostly I just have a question, foolish though it may be to bring
it up in the middle of this discussion on Julian Jaynes and his book.
(That is, my question is unrelated.)

      What is dharma?


* Paul Bennett                   There is always a greater truth.
* bennett@gauss.unm.edu          "Live now. Death is inevitable."-Anonymous
* These opinions are mine, and not necessarily those of my organization.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does human Life BEGIN?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:08:18 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct8.231450.22729@trl.oz.au> wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:

>I read a Philip K Dick scifi story about a future society allowing
>abortions up to the age of 12.

I know it

>Dick's story (the meaning *I* personally got from it) is that when you
>start drawing lines... they can be shifted. It is a tough thing to do,
>to say "well, ok at THIS point it is ok to kill/abort this foetus, but
>NOT after this point."

Right.  But there are some points it's hard to shift over, like delivery of 
the child.

>No-one (at the moment) is wanting children to be aborted AFTER birth as
>in the fictional story mentioned above, but it does make you think,
>perhaps one day....

Maybe nobody WANTS it, but it happens - just today I read a report in the 
paper of a girl sentenced to 2 years probation for throwing her hours-old 
baby into a lake.  Until as relatively recently as recently, it was common 
to leave girl babies out to die of exposure in China.  The Romans used to do 
this as well.  They found this morally acceptable.  (I don't)

>I guess I lean towards pro-life, 

Me too - the life of the woman.  After all, society has much more invested
in her than in the child.

                                  but then each case should be taken on
>its merits which is pro-choice.... so go figure. Don't try and convert

Yup, each on its merits, I'll go with that.  But who does the judging?


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033
From: markg@county.lmt.mn.org (Mark Gilbert)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:41:56 GMT
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA

In article <1992Oct8.034505.18502@unlv.edu> beleg@cash.isri.unlv.edu (Andrew Bagdanou) writes:

>Mr. Gilbert,
>     I have a question for you.  If we consider what the Buddha
>discovered to be a release from suffering, then how can Mr. Kennaway
>be right?  If I interpreted you correctly, you are suggesting that the
>analyzation of suffering is what allows us to rise above the
>condition.  I believe analyzation to be an ability due to logic and/or
>intelligence, not spiritual enlightenment.  And further more, I come
>from a family of "analyzers" whose analyzing at one time or another
>has been the cause of additional suffering.  
>     When I suggest that pessimism will be forgotten,  I'm suggesting
>that the human approach to problem solving will be experienced in a 
>different light. I'm not suggesting utopianism except possibly of the 
>spirit.
>    
>-BB

Good point.  It is certainly possible to analyze our environment to the 
point that the analysis becomes a problem by itself.  I suppose that this is 
even common - fear of failure and excessive worrying are examples.

Let us imagine, however, what life would be like without consciousness.  
Mentally, you could be sort of a happy idiot.  No concerns, no worries, no 
mental anguish.  But, your life could still be hard.  The extants around us 
that we can't change still inflict their tribulations upon us.  Death, 
illness, physical exhaustion and any other form of suffering that surrounds 
us would affect us the same way.

There are two ways to look at this.  You could say that this person has no 
need to be enlightened, because he or she cannot suffer from anguish.  Or, 
you can say that this person is incapable of being enlightened, because 
enlightenment requires distancing oneself mentally from one's environment.  
Was the buddha teaching a release from worldly suffering or from mental 
anguish, or both?

Perhaps consciousness is necessary for enlightenment, but not sufficient.  
This is the position that I would take.  So, is consiousness what the buddha 
discovered or part of what he discovered, or did it make it possible for him 
to discover something else?

Utopianism is an interesting question by itself.  I think our society 
suffers from a tendancy to believe in the possiblity of utopias.  Examples 
are Marxism, some versions of Christianity, and a belief in the possiblity 
of a technological utopia.  These are all materialistic utopias as opposed 
to the spiritual utopia you mention.  I guess I could accept a spiritual 
utopianism.

Mark Gilbert	10/9/92
From: mshute@cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm Shute)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:37:04 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <markg.51.718237478@county.lmt.mn.org> markg@county.lmt.mn.org (Mark Gilbert) writes:
>He uses the very oldest writings as evidence of the bicameral 
>mind, but these writings simply represent the first record we have of how 
>people used to think, [...]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the 'bicameral mind'?
How is it defined, what are it's properties?
And how many alternatives are there to it... is the alternative
merely called the 'modern mind', or something?

(Just an ignorant layperson, wanting to find out more in this newsgroup)
Thanks.
--

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From: bennett@deepthought.unm.edu (Paul Bennett)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:06:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math & Stat, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


      I believe it is quite possible for a mind to inhabit a world. 
The reason is because of the following:

      Consider that you have a set of associations built up around day-to-day
activities, such as drinking orange juice, going to the bathroom, going to work,
eating, etc. These give flavor to the experience, in a sense. Now, there is
nothing that says that your flavors match up completely with anybody else's.
Which is to say, that your associations may or may not match up with anybody
else's. These influence the way we behave, I think. For they govern the way
we dress, the way we treat other people, and on and on. 

      Taken as a set, these form a world. And your mind inhabits that world.
And this holds for each of us. 

      I also have a comment on the previous posting: I think that even
bicameral and unicameral brains are capable of experiencing great complexity,
for was the world not as varied in the past as it is today?

      
* Paul Bennett                   There is always a greater truth.
* bennett@gauss.unm.edu          "Live now. Death is inevitable."-Anonymous
* These opinions are not those of my organization (though they may coincide...)