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From: bkp@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bharat Patel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: GIF's
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:37:07 GMT
Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan25.200722.1763@athena.mit.edu>, ehernand@athena.mit.edu (Edward Hernandez) writes:
|> 	Could someone please re-post that stuff that appeared a while ago about
|> the cycling GIF's?  My bad I didn't get a chance to save it.
|> 
|> 							Eddie Hernandez
|> 							MIT


The location is: draco.acs.uci.edu

Bharat Patel
From: mrpaolo@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Paul Szymkiewicz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Almeria (E) cycling info needed
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:20:04 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan27.105250.3232@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de writes:
>Hi net.cyclers,
>
>At the end of february i will go to Almeria (Spain) to collect kilometers
>for the oncoming season. Can anyone provide me with informations about that
>region (weather- and street conditions, best trips ...).
>
>Thanks in advance, Roland

I have a friend there and the only thing I know it's a dry (DRY) region.
The Spanish desert is in the neighborhood.
-- 
Paul (electronically known as mrpaolo@wpi.wpi.edu)
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: geoffrey@jagger.Berkeley.EDU (Geoffrey Mayne)
Subject: Frederic Magne
Reply-To: geoffrey@jagger.Berkeley.EDU (Geoffrey Mayne)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:00:46 GMT

Does anyone have any information regarding Frederic Magne,
the young Frenchman who gave Michael Hubner a run for his
money?  I'm particularly curious as to what town in France his
family came from.

Thanks in advance.

Geoff Mayne
geoffrey@jagger.berkeley.edu
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:15:54 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

Julia Collins writes:
>As a previous poster indicated (Mike McCallum, I think, but I'm not sure),
>it's up to the team to recruit and support the members it needs to be
>competitive.  This works both ways.  For the most part, it helps the
>women, because the men know that if they don't keep the women involved,
>we not only lose women from the sport, but the competitiveness of the
>entire team is reduced.  Yes, your team can "survive" without the women.

I'm not specifically disagreeing with you; however:

I think that the most important thing for encouraging women to become
involved in racing is the support of women, not men.

I say this as a man who has tried hard to encourage female friends with
an interest in cycling to take an interest in racing: in general, my
efforts often produced a certain discomfort - women unfamiliar with
racing immediately worried that they would be expected to be able to
compete with the male riders - a feeling not noticeably lessened after
participating in male-dominated club rides.  No mater how "nice" we
tried to be, the experience was intimidating (it's intimidating for
the beginning men too!)  But when they rode with female racers they
received non-threatening support and encouragement.  

I certainly don't think men shouldn't make an effort to recruit women,
and encourage them once they've taken an interest, but I don't think
the most effective way to promote women's cycling is to force men to
try to recruit women.

--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: U.S. cycling governance: Shifting to high gear [part 9 of 10]
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:07:44 GMT

Despite the blunders just discussed, USCF has moved ahead decisively
on other fronts in recent years.  For example, I believe that the
price ceilings on entry fees prescribed by USCF rules have inhibited
the development of the sport and have made repeated attempts to remove
them.  The board came withing one vote of doing so in 1987 but then
developed cold feet and passed the issue to the House of Delegates the
next year, where it again failed to get the required 2/3 majority.

I was convinced that the free market idea would catch on if people
tried it and later got the House of Delegates to approve free markets
by local option for 1991 and following years.  As I hoped, this choice
is now spreading and it will likely be politically feasible to adopt
it nationwide in a year or two.

An even larger step forward was taken in September 1991 when the House
voted to have licensees rather than clubs elect directors.  I and
others had been attempting to get that reform passed for more than 20
years but it had been consistently defeated by the bloc voting of
major clubs in the East.  This was the first firm evidence that the
old guard was losing its grip, or perhaps was wising up.

Finally, in September 1992 the House voted to reduce the bloated board
of directors from 26 members to 11.  I had been trying bring about
such a reduction for 14 years but had only a partial success in 1980
when eight director positions were dropped.  The remarkable thing
about the 1992 reduction was that it had wide support from the
directors who would likely lose their positions.  They had finally
become convinced that a large board is both expensive and inefficient
and that they should stop interfering with staff functions.

I can't take credit for the new reduction other than drafting the
legislation.  It was sold to the board and the House by management
consultant John Carver, who was brought in primarily through the
efforts of Ken Wallace and Beth Wrenn-Estes.  It will take a couple of
years for the reduction to take effect and a comparable time for the
board to adapt to its new and proper role, but at least it's been
started.

In summary, the ancient and dishonorable U.S. Cycling Federation
finally seems to be moving in the right direction for the first time
in its 81 year history and should be in a position to take on even
larger responsibilities in the near future.  The founders of the
little road racing group that got organized in 1912 would probably
have been proud if they had realized what they were starting.

With careful planning, hard work and a bit of luck, USCF should last
at least to the beginning of the next century and perhaps to its
centennial.

[Next part: The Next Step]
--
Les Earnest (Les@cs.Stanford.edu)               Phone:  415 941-3984
Computer Science Dept.; Stanford, CA 94305	  Fax:  415 941-3934
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: NWCCC Members Sound Off
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:24:27 PST

I am looking to get in contact with other members of the NWCCC. If you are
a member of a collegiate cycling club in WA, OR or ID. PLease send mail to
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu. (Oh yeah you WSU people need not reply I know
you) I am hoping to be able to increase communication within the NWCCC
without ringing up huge phone bills.
 
Your cooperation is appreciated!
 
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Team Motorola will Race on Clinchers in 1993
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:23:17 GMT

In article <29716@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil
(Timothy Smith) writes: 

>...

>    Arrogance is very common in elite

I disagree.  Absolute selfconfidence and a strong sense of self-esteem
are not arrogance.

> and elite-wanna-be road racers.

Ahh!  Now you have hit the mark.  This is the REAL (tm) bicylcist.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Observations from the TEAM Motorola Pre-season Training Camp
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver-248

I made my yearly pilgrimage to Team Motorola's pre-season training
camp, here are some observations, thoughts, etc.

First off, don't go riding with 16 professionals after they have been
inside a hotel for a week unable to do any serious riding because of bad
weather.  Secondly, try to ride your bike more than 4 times in the
6 weeks before going to visit one of the top professional teams
in cycling.  Thirdly, "piano" means "slow down"!

Anyway, on to the good stuff!

Equipment

As we have beaten to death on this net, Team Motorola will be
riding the new Specialized 23mm clincher featuring the grey
"umma-gumma" rubber on Eddy Merckx bikes with Dura-Ace STI gruppos.

Team Motorola will be riding the Dura-Ace version of the SPD
pedal system and the Avocet 02 saddles.  Oh, yeah they have the
Dura-Ace sealed bottom bracket, but the spindles are pretty
short and they are having problems with the crank arms being
very, very close to the bottom bracket shell.

Personnel:

Andy Hampsten, Phil Anderson, Lance Armstrong, Max Sciandri,
Christophe Manin, Thomas Bay, John Stennersen, Steve Larsen,
Frankie Andreu, Greg Moens, Sean Yates, Andy Bishop, Norm
Alvis, Ken Hasikawa(sp), Jan Schur and 1 other guy whose name
I forget and will feel really bad when I remember it.

Miscellania:

Both team manager, Jim Ochowicz, and director sportif, Hennie Kuiper,
have been doing some riding with the team.  These guys can still
motor!

Here is an inside tip for the upcoming Classics contest!  Look for both
Lance Armstrong and Max Sciandri to have good early season form.
The Lancer was training very hard, spending consecutive days on
Skaggs Springs road(possibily the hardest paved road in terms of climbing
in Northern California!).  Max Sciandri was shredding the team, taking
pulls of 50kph on the way back from one such traversal of the
aforementioned Skaggs(ouch!) Springs.

The Motorola company seems pretty positive for 1994 sponsorship!  Yes!

The team was using a new method for calculating percent body fat.
A wire was hooked up to the rider's ankle and another to the rider's
arm.  Conductivity was measured and was then correllated to percent
body fat.  The test is still being refined as the numbers seem quite
high.  The lowest body fat was recorded by Danish phenom Thomas Bay
at 10%, Andy Hampsten was second at 11% with Phil Anderson registering
a positively chunky 17%.  These numbers are way to high, the test
obviously needs some work!

Graham Watson has been retained to take photographs of the team.
Look for some really great action shots and publicity photos!

Go Team Motorola!

Bruce(still holding onto my day job)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Team Motorola will Race on Clinchers in 1993
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:34:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.023028.1911@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas
H. Kunich) rubs salt in the wound:
>...

>I heard today that Continental Tire has dropped their present United
>States distributor and hasn't assigned a new one yet.

I'm an available beleiver.

>I guess it's back to Michelins.

I'll ride Avocets first!



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: eisele@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Eisele)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:15:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Bicycling - USCF College Weekend and Roller questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing


>   p.s. I just got myself a roller and I was wodering, how long do you
>        stay on it per workout, and what do you do while you're on it, i.e.,
As long as your normal workout would be if you can stand it.  I found
that initially I could ride rollers for 1-2 hours, but now I go insane
trying to stay on them for more than an hour (same w/ other stationary
trainers).

>        do you do intervals or just concentrate on spinning smoothly?
You have to be pretty smooth most of the time or you will ride off the
rollers, bound, or swerve a lot.  I've done all kinds of workouts
(recovery, intervals, etc) on rollers.  Good power workouts are a little
harder since I can't adjust my fan while riding.

Jon
From: garrick@owlnet.rice.edu (Garrick F. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Do we care about racing collegiate?
Organization: Rice University Cycling Team
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:39:17 GMT

In article <16B62E46.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>, 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
|> .....Collegiate cycling could never be the end all of cycling.
|> Unless you are a career student. I think that collegiate cycling needs
|> to realize its role and try not to conflict with HUGE USCF races.

Good point, Patrick.  With a little advance planning, like calling your
District Rep (HA!) to see which weekends don't have any big races, collegiate
promoters can get good fields at their races.  We lucked out a couple of
years back and got something like 40-50% of all licensed riders in the
conference to attend our road race!

On a related note, I made sure our Conference Director didn't put any
races on March 20, the day of Rice's annual Beer-Bike (a beer chugging-
one mile time trial relay race).  For some (but not many), Beer-Bike IS
the end all of cycling...or chugging, anyway.

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From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:12:45 GMT
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
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NNTP-Posting-Host: stat.tamu.edu

Mike Prime writes:
>The NCCA is always trying to promote the sport. This is done by staff
>at the USCF and I don't have any details.

I certainly was not faulting the NCCA staff at Colorado Springs.  I have
had nothing but help from Alida Ruiz and the staff there.

>Who would they send these flyers to?

People like me:  club presidents and officers who are trying to recruit
for their teams and for the sport.  NCCA may be trying to promote the
sport, but membership--both in NCCA and USCF--is a one-on-one issue
between a local club and the potential rider.  I need help recruiting
these people.  Many other organizations provide organizational litera-
ture and I think that NCCA should do the same.

I might point out that USCF already *has* a similar flyer for USCF,
though very few people I know have seen it.  I got a couple of dozen
copies from our District Rep. and have used them to good effect.
Unfortunately, it is geared to USCF racing, not collegiate, and it
takes a good deal of explication to cover the differences in what the
USCF pamphlet is selling and what we are selling.  Heck, a variant of
that brochure may be all we need.

>Realize also, that the staff spends most of the bugeted time for
>NCCA stuff doing club/rider paperwork. Any significant increase in staff
>time would require raising some fees.

Printing NCCA brochures would take the time only of the Marketing Dept.
at USCF.  The returns from the brochures might tax the New Members Dept.
though...
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

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From: Pointerm@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Richard Pointer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Wanted: Info on TREK OCLV Composite Frames (5200,5500,5900)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:45:47 GMT
Organization: Drexel University (Composite Mechanics Lab)
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X-Xxdate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:46:36 GMT
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Wanted : Information on the new TREK OCLV Framesets
From : Richard Pointer


   I'm thinking about purchasing one of the new TREK OCLV framesets. I
can get a pretty good deal on one. I'd like to know if anyone has one and
how they like it. I've been riding an SLX Merckx for the last 6 years and
other steel frames before that, so I'm pretty comfortable with steel. I'm
especially interested in the advantages and disadvantages that people
have noticed between the different frames (composite vs. steel).  Any
comments would be appreciated, be it about the TREK or any other
composite frameset. 
   Also, if anyone has a copy of April, 1992 Bicycling Magazine with the
article comparing the TREK with the Kestral, I would be very interested
in getting hold of a copy.
     
Thanks much.... Rich
Richard Pointer
POINTERM@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU
Department of Mechanical Engineering
Drexel University, Philadelphia, PA 19104
--------------------------------------------------
     "Sometimes being a graduate student is NO FUN!!!"
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Collegiate Cycling - Qualifying for Nationals
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:28:40 PST

In article <1k6emv$8r5@agate.berkeley.edu>
mike@scimitar.cchem.berkeley.edu (C. Michael McCallum) writes:
 
>:
>: So, you are saying that when a man wins a race and gets 22 points and a
>: wins a race on the same course and gets 10 points, we are not placing
>: less value on the woman racer. It looks like we are to me! (Anytime
>: we place less value on the results achieved by person because they are
>: of a differenet sex, race, gender orientation than the majority group
>: we are just as guilty of bigotry, biase and stereotyping as any
>: slave owner.
>
>REALLY?  A winning RR man gets 22 pts, but a winning RR woman gets 10 pts?
>Doesn't your conference discuss these things?
>OK here are points for each event in our conference.  I understand that
>this is not a global Collegiate thing. These may be a bit off 'cuz I
>think we changed them a tad this past year.
>
>M A(RR): 39,34,31,28,26,24,22,20,18,16,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,5,3 (20)
>W A(RR): 35,29,25,22,19,16,14,12,10,8,6,4  (12 places -- I think is more now)
 
I admit that I didn't quote anything in citing 10 and 22. I was using it merely
to illustrate a point. They still say to women, your win is not worth as much
to the team as that of the man's!!
 
I wish we had some women in this conversation. I feel like we are talking
behind their backs a little.
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
From: andy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Andy Mechtenberg)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:08:20 GMT
Subject: Re: SHIFTING WHILE STANDING?????
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing

> Use Hyperglide sprockets and chains, they shift much smoother and quicker
> under heavy load.  This benefit must be weighed against more $ and
> maintenance hassle.

Does STI come without hyperglide?  It was my impression that STI used 
a 8-cog freewheel, that normally (from Shimano) only availalbe in
the hpyperglide.

Andy.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Subject: WHY THIS KNEE INJURY??
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:40:17 GMT

Hi, thanks in advance to anyone who can enlighten me.

I have only ever done rides shorter than 45 mi, and when I
was doing these on a semi-regular basis I never experienced
any knee problems.  In fact, I have been running very regularly
now (~ 20 mi/week, not too much) for about 2 yrs without knee
problems.

Well, I got on a Lifecycle a couple weeks ago (it had been raining
miserably for days on end and I didn't feel compelled to run in
the rain) but only for 30 min.  The next day the medial (inside)
of my right knee was really hurting and has been giving me twinges
ever since.  I tried the Lifecycle a couple times since that time,
but every time I do it my knee hurts more.  Running, however,
doesn't seem to aggravate it at all.  But I have noticed that now
when I do things like leg presses or even standing up, my knee
hurts.  

OK you guys, what did I do wrong, and what should I do to help it
heal so I can start riding for real?

Thanks.

TD
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: mprime@nitrogen.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Subject: Re: NCCA board meeting summary
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:35:46 GMT

In article <1jnhc5INN5c2@tamsun.tamu.edu> ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer) writes:
>Mike Prime writes about Collegiate Nationals:
>>	94 roads: Still up for bid, with a couple of things in the works.
>>	One bid received has the promise of being the best organized
>>	collegiate road nationals ever, but I'm afraid I can't say where it
>>	is just yet.
>
>My understanding is that Midwestern State University, at Wichita Falls,
>Texas, will host the 1994 road nationals.  MSU and Wichita Falls is
>well-supported by the Hotter'n Hell Hundred race committee.  If this is
>the group Mike is referring to, yes, the '94 road nationals should be
>the best organized a collegiate race might ever be.
>
>IMHO, the HHH people are really good to cycling.
>--
Yes, that's the one. The bid is extremely impressive. But it hasn't been
chosen yet.

Mike


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: WSU Stage Race - Collegiate Only
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:19:30 PST

 
Here is the info for the WSU Stage Race
 
When: March 27,28
Where: Washington State University Pullman, WA
How Much: $15 per rider entry fee
          $10 per rider housing in Residence Halls
Schedule:
     Saturday : Criterium on campus
                Men's A Team 50min +2laps
                Women's A Team 40min +2laps
                Men's B Team   30min +2laps
 
                Team Time Trial
                Men's B Teams - Must have 3 men to race no composite teams
                Women's A Teams - Must have 2 women to race no composite teams
                Men's A Teams  - Same rules as B
 
     Sunday     Road Race in Palouse, WA (about 8miles away)
                Men's A team     56miles
                Men's B team     56
                Women's A Team   40
 
These distance are aproximate. the cours eis very challenging with a 10%
grade climb at the end.
 
If you are interested, send for more info to the email address below
 
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !