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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:18:13 GMT

I agree with your statement that a lot of people do not like "How
Much..." because they see it as irreverent.   I thought it was funny,
original and also refreshing!
	Anyone out there remember that ST had its comedic moments?  ;)

Marc
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Relics (mistakes) ***SPOILERS***
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:26:45 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Stephen.Davidson@dartmouth.edu (Stephen Davidson) writes:

}In article <1992Oct12.202508.3901@njitgw.njit.edu>
}andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy) writes:

}> I think it's been stated here quite a few times that the original
}> bridge from TOS is currently on display in the Smithsonian in
}> Washington, D.C.  Therefore, the bridge on "Relics" is obviously
}> a very, very good replica.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

}This implies that they recreated parts of the old bridge from scratch. 
}I also recall from a post around the time that Doohan was interviewed
}on CNN that the only part of the bridge they recreated was a small part
}(or all of) the engineering section (roughly..)

With all this talk about recreating the old bridge set, am I the only
one who wondered why (within the context of the story) Scotty went to
the bridge of the old Enterprise, rather than to his beloved engineering
section, where he surely spent more time and would feel more at home?
(Yes, I know that the real reason is that the bridge set would be more
familiar to the viewers, but within the context of the story, this just
didn't make sense to me.)

--James Preston
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Man of the People Question
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:24:46 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Hi,
I have a problem with the last episode of Star Trek, and I was hoping someone
could straighten this out.
How is it that Troi is able to die...thus releasing the link to the Ambassador. 
Then the Am needs to re-establish his link with someone else, right?  Then, if
Troi has severed the link, then how does Troi just send back the feelings to
him?  I thought the link was broken.  This part didn't make sense to me.

Another question is this:  Crusher announced Troi's death at 14 hundred
something hours, in front of the Am., taking off the cartorid stimulators. 
Then, just minutes later, the Am. leaves after making a nasty comment about his
getting safe passage back home.  As soon as he leaves, Crusher says 'We only
have 3 minutes and 40 seconds (or some small time amount).  Now that's not what
she said earlier about having 30 minutes.  What's going on there?

-Pamela Cho-
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:40:00 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct13.145646.3430@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
> Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
> quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
> ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
> reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
> reviews from this site.
> 

Oh come on!  You have got to be kidding.  Just because there is one clinker 
every once in awhile (or maybe 2, or 3 or 4 or 10)  does not necessarily 
make the whole show a complete washout.  Afterall, you have to go through
alot of chaff to find the wheat.

Judge after you see the episodes, not before - unless you are telling us 
that you have precognitive powers.  Your reviews are fun since you are 
generally fairly wicked - something that most people aren't, including 
myself.  I often disagree with what you say, but I like to see non-lemming 
like stuff here.  

Anyways, my 0.03 cents (so I overspend everyonce in awhile)

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

Washington or Miami?  Hmmm, I think I would rather have a huskie than a 
hurricane.
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From: "Christopher E. Hagen" <cehagen@guava.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Irish Unification episode
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:53:45 -0500

Susan Wetherell <sw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>In response to the question about the Irish rebellion, this is the only
>instance I could think of:

>~The High Ground~  Season 3, episode 12.
>(Rebellion leader Finn abducts Beverly)

>Data: I have been reviewing the history of armed rebellion and it
>appears that terrorism is an effective was to promote political change.
>Picard: Yes, it can be, but, I have never subscribed to the theory that
>political power flows from the barrel of a gun.
>D: Yet there are numerous examples when it was successful: The
>independence of the Mexican state from Spain; the Irish Unification of
>2024 and the Kensey Rebellion.
>P: Yes, I am aware of them.
>D: Then it would be accurate to say that terrorism is acceptable when
>all options for peaceful settlement have been foreclosed?
>P: Data, these are questions that mankind has been struggling with
>throughout history. Your confusion is only human. 

   Maybe this is the real reason the BBC pulled it off the air???

-chris
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Relics...another doink ending! spoilers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:00:10 GMT

In article <Bw2C1E.Dps@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu> writes:

>
>Why waste a good Dyson sphere by having the star unstable? Gee whiz!

I agree on this point... several episodes could be based on the Dyson
sphere--maybe even a spinoff series (go and reread RINGWORLD)-- but they
wasted it.

>It would have been far better for the Dyson's sphere to be stable and
>leave Scott there to analize the technology. It would have been his own
>personal heaven. Something I think we all would have rather seen him do
>with his final days. 

Effectively removing the character from the rest of the universe.  But
with a shuttle, a shuttle with warp engines, he can show up anywhere.
This ending allows him to return next season, or possibly visit DS9, or
whatever.  But if he had been left on the Dyson sphere, he would just be
studying the technology, and continue doing that ten years from now.
Story potential is close to zero.

>Gee whiz, Paramount. Show a little compassion. They guy's only saved the
>earth from destruction a half dozen times. The best you can do is give
>him a shuttle? 

What's wrong with that?   A ship of his own (it's only a shuttle, but
you really can't give an Excelsior or Galaxy class ship to one man to do
with as he pleases), complete freedom to explore the universe, time by
himself to catch up on technology (as it's almost a certainty that
Geordi copied several gigabytes of technical manuals into the shuttle's
computer).  And then, when he's ready to rejoin civilization, he can put
down on any Federation world and probably be recognized as a hero.  We 
should all be so lucky!
-- 
"What? Over? Did you say it's over? Nothing's over, till we decide it is! 
 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" --John Belushi
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
Date: 11 Oct 1992 04:15:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Oct9.184527.1@us.oracle.com> sstephen@us.oracle.com writes:

>It was a "Picture of Dorian Grey" rip-off that was produced for the sole
>purpose of titilating the audience AND letting the special-effects gang show
>off their "morphing" effect that is going to become a lot more popular in the
>next few years, (started with some music videos - peaked with Michael Jackson's
>Black and White album + ST-VI), this is exactly the same thing that happenened
>when they started using the "balooning skin" effect almost a decade ago.
>
	That's about the same impression I've got.  However, this one had 
unnecessary (and stupid) use of morph.  This was NOT one of the all-time great
episodes.  It may be down there with "Data's Day" (give me a day or two for my
revulsion to wear off), with what is easily some of the worst acting by TNG
regulars and most bludgeon-like writing that the series has seen.

	Boy, it was bad.  Thank god Relics is next week!

						-Jay
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 21:29:06 EDT
From: Jennifer F. Murphy <JENNY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Guinan and her secrets
 <1687AE623.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>


>Remember? She said, "Did my father send you?"
   stuff deleted
>Any other possibilities out there?


Didn't she say "Did my father send you?  If he did, tell him I'm not
   through listening yet...."

Or something to that effect.  At some other point in the series she
mentions she comes from a race of listeners and that she had to learn
the skill.  (Please, help me here-- name the episode.)  Perhaps she
is on earth learning to listen.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:15193 rec.arts.startrek.misc:10267
From: david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Stupid question about Peter David
Date: 11 Oct 92 10:49:52 GMT
Organization: Science Lab; Arlington, Texas

noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:

> 	Oh, I saw something along the lines of a TNG parody on alt.sex.stories 
> a month ago, repost requests have been posted.

The story in alt.sex.stories was STAR TREK: THE NUDE GENERATION. It is a 
parody of TNG. I have a copy of it if anybody is interested, MAIL me a 
message and I will mail the story to you. 
 
Disclaimer: You must be at least 18 yrs. to read it. Since I cannot know 
how old somebody is without them honestly telling me their age, so I 
hearby state immunity to any minors that happen to read it.

			Don't Eat Yellow Snow

David Burgess
david@scilab.lonestar.org
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Pool halls and Klingon Ships...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.194149.4595@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>Why is it that Klingon ships always seem to be filled with smoke? I've never
>seen a Klingon with a cigar/cigarette. The whole ship reminds me of a smoke
>filled pool hall. If the smoke is from machines, is it at all toxic? Just
>wonderin'.

possibly it simulates the atmosphere of their homeworld (which we might
not have seen... it is unsure whether the world Picard visited was
Kronos.)  Or, the smell of the smoke is pleasant to them.  Or, the smell
is irritating, which keeps them angry and combat-ready.
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
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From: friedman@m.cs.uiuc.edu (if ($term == t9) echo -n 'GK(H. G. Friedman is signed on.)')
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: MOTP error? <* Spoilers *>
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct8.165400.16235
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

simons@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sarah Simons) writes:

>I've heard of people's hair turning gray overnight.  It's not uncommon
>with a shock.  I don't know what causes it.  But two more (fictional)
>examples are from Sweeney Todd and also in the Stand (Nadine?).  
>Both were frightened and had their hair turn grey overnight.
>I don't think it has anything to do with it "growing in" grey.

Wait a minute!  Reality check here.

Hair is dead tissue.  Dyes, bleaches, sunlight, etc. can change the coloration
of it.  But nothing that happens to the living organism can change the color
of the hair once it has grown out of the root.  Only the newly formed hair
at the root can be changed by what happens to the organism.

Larry Niven, in A World Out of Time, did this realistically.  (It also fit
in with the drama of this story.)  His main character, who was elderly and
had white hair, went through a rejuvenation technique without even knowing it.
Nothing immediate happened to his hair (or to his wrinkled skin, etc., either).
Later on, someone else noticed that his white hair was developing black roots
and realized what had happened.  (Then they had a nice subplot figuring out
which of the strange things he had encountered was the rejuv.)  His skin,
wrinkles, etc. also changed gradually, over a period of months.

But as someone else said, directors seem to think it would make for bad TV
(and plays, movies, etc.).

       		H. George Friedman, Jr.
       		Department of Computer Science
       		University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
       		1304 West Springfield Avenue
       		Urbana, Illinois  61801

       		friedman@cs.uiuc.edu

A keyboard -- how quaint!
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From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON)
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:07:31 GMT

Netters,
    As I've said before, books by Diane Duane are among the best. Her 
treatment of McCoy and Spock (McCoy especially) is brilliant. Also, the 
histories she's come up with for Vulcan and the Romulans are just great with 
me. So, read her stuff.
    But you know what, I'm curious about something..... am I the only one or 
are there others out there with a love for How Much for Just The Planet ? 
This book has to be the funniest Trek book ever created. Just wondering if 
it has some more fans out there....

DMK
Acadia University, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada.

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Blowing up the Borg (was Re: Mistake in Borg episode)
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:51:42 EST

In article <1992Oct8.131240.11209@urbana.mcd.mot.com>
mscott@charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mark Scott) writes:
 
>I just thought of a way that they could've blown up the Borg ship! Since
>the Enterprise crew were allowed to beam aboard the Borg ship, why couldn't
>they have beamed a few photon torpedoes on-board the the Borg ship, & then
>blown it up from the inside? I'm sure someone will think of a reason why
>this wouldn't work, but I say it would have done it!
 
Just as there are biofilters in the Enterprise's transporter, I'm
sure the Borg have some type of weapons filter.  The phasers could
have made it as a result of being on the person being transported
whereas something like p-torpedo would have been rather large
and obviously not part of someone else...
From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Awareness in the Transporter?
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:41:27 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

SPoilers ahead for "Realm" and "Relics"


























That should be enough lines.


Now, in "Realm of Fear" Barclay was totally cognizant of everything in
the matter stream (something I don't agree with) while in "Relics"
Scotty had no clue on the length of time he was in.  Now I know that
Data or Geordi told Barclay that there is a disorienting affect of
being in the matter stream, but there didn't seem to be enough that
would make time stand still, or is there?  Would the way that the
matter stream was handled have any affect on how aware someone would
of time and surroundings?

My own personal opinion is that when you're broken down that's it, there's
no seeing in the stream or consciousness as such.

___

  Nicholas  Hester                  "I'm a virgin...I'm just not good at it."
ia80024@Maine.bitnet                                 -Ramada, "Hot Shots!"
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From: fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker's lust for the Enterprise
Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:21:00 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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To whom this issue concerns;

I am new to this newsgroup, and I know I don't know everything, so please
understand the following response and go easy with any flames which may occur.

IMHO,
I believe that Riker is just too damn cocky!!  All he does is sleep around, lead
away-teams, and make simple orders AFTER Picard tells him what he wants.  To me, 
this looks like an easy, cushy job that Riker now occupies.  Perhaps, in future
episodes, Riker will act more like Picard (or act in a similiar fashion), but
for now, all he does is remind me of a 'James Kirk-mentality' (the bad side, of
course)

Frank Sereno
Kansas State University

P.S.  If anyone has met Jonathan Frakes (sp?) in person, is he as conceited as
the character he plays??  Just wondering..........
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: Promos for: SCHISMS (#231)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:52:30 GMT


bharring@aludra.usc.edu (Bryce Harrington) writes:

>dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>>WITHOUT WARNING AND NO EXPLANATION, AN EXPERIMENT IN TERROR HAS BEGIN.
>>  [ Worf recoils from Mr. Mott's scissors ]
>     ^^^^- does the ol' punching bag get it in this episode, too?

That Mr. Mott IS pretty scary though...  :->

 >>  [ Riker on table in alien lab, a green alien (Tetryon) examines him ]
 >> Worf:  Commander Riker has been taken from the Enterprise.
 >>  [ Riker awakens on alien examination table ]
 >*SIGH*
 >Looks like whoever wrote this script has spent more than a little time
 >in the supermarket check-out lines.  You know the season's getting worse
 >when the writers start turning to TABLOIDS for plot ideas!!  The TV Guide
 >listing should read:  "StarFleet Officer Claims:  Aliens Abducted and 
 >Dissected Me".  

Yep.  I had *exactly* the same impression.  They should have just said
something like: "Alien abductions, on the Star Trek: The Next Generation"
Plus the requisite subplot "Is Troi carrying an alien baby??"
(Whoops!  They've already done that one! :)

I guess the producers are trying to tell us that even in the 24th century,
those pesky aliens are STILL snatching poor unsuspecting humans for their 
"experiments".  Old habits die hard, eh?  :->

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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:41:00 GMT

Jennifer F. Murphy (JENNY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) wrote:
:    I wonder if this "empathic connection" he made rendered him impotent.
:    Why else would he have rejected Troi and presumably all the other
:    "recepticles".

I don't think he was rendered impotent (although its possible) but since
his bad emotions were being channeled, he probably had a problem with
feeling lust.

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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Relics"
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:29:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct14.032913.462
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  30 or so lines first...






























  I *wish* I could have liked this episode.  Scotty's my favourite TOS char-
  acter and I was looking forward to this.

  James Doohan was great.  The rest of the cast and the story weren't.

  I'll skip the objections done to death already and simply note that I found
  myself in the position of one of my old acting teachers, continually finding
  that I couldn't believe the actors.  Have 'our heros' all grown so tired of
  doing TNG that they cannot put a modicum of effort into their performances?

  That and I'll say that this has got to be the largest SETE ("Something is
  Eating The Enterprise" -- thanks, PAD!  Great acronym!) plot the writers
  have used yet.  The Dyson sphere had, it seemed, no point other than to
  crash Scotty's ship and to capture the Enterprise just to add some action
  to the episode.  Other than that: Nada.  [Some will argue that "That's the
  Point," and maybe that's so, but it still felt tacked on because they did
  nothing with it.]

  I enjoyed watching Scotty, but I want to see the "Director's Cut" -- the one
  with the half-hour they (had to have) removed added back into it.
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 05:01:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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  Well, at least now I know it was Diane Carey I was talking about
when I speaking of the overstimulated fan syndrome. I don't think I
made it to the end of whichever of her novels I had, but as another 
poster here said of her work, the dime-store romance tone was just a
bit too much for me to deal with. 
  That's why I stopped buying these books... I picked up a couple of
really *bad* ones in a row, and figured Pocket was letting just about
anyone write for them at that point. I know -- unfair generalizations, 
sampling error, etc., but them's the breaks, folks. Now, I understand
there are some really good Trek books out there, and now that I've been
watching the postings here for about six months, I think I know who I
can trust to make good suggestions...
  The last good Star Trek novel I've read would be _Strangers From The
Sky_ (Bonanno, no?  Forgive any misspelling, unless this sets your anal
glands to itching, please). What has been written since that you would
consider to be of roughly equal (or higher) quality?
  Thanks to those who bother to reply...

  Jeff


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