HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: weve got a live one here
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:58:57 GMT

>Don, I'll explain when you'er a little older.
>:-)
Ahh yes the general adult statment that us children all know
meens "gee, I'm not sure, it could take awhill for me to sufishintly
figur it out so that I can explain it in comprehensive terms and hopefully
you will forget so I wont have to" :-)= <- vampire smile as first seen on
alt.vampyres.

Elf-Ki{
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: liability
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:51:38 GMT

>No. Woman are liable for 1/2 the cost and 1/2 the effort of parenting.
Ahhh, but they aren't, their only liable for the amount that they are
willing to provide but curent laws and standereds men are there to 
provide the rest.

Elf-Kin
From: cbannon@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Christine Bannon)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: actions
Summary: rumors of possible actions against patients at nj clinics, 2/13
Keywords: actions pro-choice pro-life
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:28:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	A friend caught sight of a pro-life newsletter out of Levittown, LI.
Rumor has it that anti-choice people may picket, blockade and perhaps take 
violent action against patients in NJ clinics, 2/13.  Has anyone heard 
anything ?  Please rsvp to cbannon@gandalf.rutgers.edu, aka Christine
Bannon.  Thanks.....
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:49:37 GMT

peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>
>>> ... I know well that many men enjoy being 
>>>parents and many more would cherish a greater role in their children's 
>>>lives.  (Not just NCPs either -- alot of CPs and married folks would 
>>>dearly love to have more time to spend with their children!) However 
>>>some men are more concerned with their pocketbooks than with their
>>>kids.  Alas this is also true of some women.
>
>>Apparently, you would NOT include those women who abort because
>>they can't afford a child?
>
>My comments refered to "children", not foetuses.  
>(I don't know of any women who complain of not spending enough 
>time with their foetuses.	:-)	)
>
>>>The law must be written to keep the scoundrels in line.  Scoundrels of
>>>*both* genders.
>
>>Is a woman who aborts because her pocketbook said she couldn't afford
>>a child a scoundrel?  Do you advocate outlawing such abortion?
>
>I don't think that, nor do I advocate outlawing such abortions.

But you say that if a man tells a woman, in the 4th week of a pregnancy
resulting from a broken condom, that he does NOT want to support or raise
a resulting child, he is a scoundrel.


You berate him for his irresponsibility and his apparent sexual freedom.

You say that if he didn't want a child, he shouldn't have had sex.

I think George Orwell should have written 1950 or 1993, not 1984.


>What about you?

No, I advocate giving all persons the right to make responsible
reproductive decisions even after birth control has failed.

Women have that right.  Men do not.


>However, a person of either gender who does not support their 
>children (note: "children", not "foetuses") is, IMO, a scoundrel.

Is a woman who freely chooses not to abort, KNOWING that NEITHER
she nor the father can support the child, therefore a scoundrel?  
After all, while there is just a FETUS, she can freely and responsibly 
prevent an unsupported CHILD from existing.

Don
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beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
From: kebarnes@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: alt.politics.abortion?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:23:32 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Has alt.politics.abortion disappeared?

It has on my system...

Or has alt.abortion.inequity repaced it?


Curiously,
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Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: adoption rules
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:09:47 GMT

txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>What about births resulting from rape?
>Strange I was under the impresion that this was hamered out already and 
>everyone agreed that in thhe case of rape the fathers rights were forfit.

I don't see a big objection to this in the case that the father DID rape
the mother, except for one big one:

Are the child's rights forfeit?  Is any one of us qualified to
decide for the child that the child should never see his/her father
and would never want to?


Secondly, if accused rapists were automatically stripped of 
paternal rights, then would the 1990's see as big an increase
in rape accusations as the 1980's saw in child-abuse accusations
during custody battles?

Don
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beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Is pregnancy something which women >do< to men?
Followup-To: alt.abortion.inequity,alt.feminism,soc.men
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:11:53 GMT

David O Hunt (bluelobster+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: My SO says:
: 
: I have seen too many women take unfair advantage of men via pregnancy
: to be insistant that a man be understanding -- emotionally OR financially
: -- when a woman ends up pregnant.
: 
: 1. Were BOTH parties trying to avoid pregnancy? Many women blame men for
: failing to provide a condom...but couldn't the woman have brought the
: condom? Couldn't she have refused intercourse without one? I know that
: men blame women just as frequently ("I thought SHE was taking care of it...")
: but I've heard women blame men as well.

Depends on having an EQUAL view of responsibility for the sex act taking place

: 3. Years ago, girls would sometimes get pregnant on purpose to either get
: attention or a husband...are they getting pregnant now to make some money?

If the making money is happening then the former 2 reasons are probably also
still happening.
: It took two to get pregnant, and should take two to decide what to do next.

Though there are circumstance under which one partner was mislead (probably
most likely to occur in the cases of the woman getting pregnant with the 
aim of getting attention, a husband....)

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Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: Is pregnancy something which women >do< to men?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:51:50 GMT

peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>If a woman does not file for child support, the state does not award it.
>>The state doesn't even consider it.
>
>>Michal, are you sure that what you claim is true in California?
>
>I am no expert on child support legislation in CA any other state.
>I do know that the CA courts do award child support and that the
>state enforces these awards.  I do not know what happens if the
>CP does not request child support.  Nor do I know what happens if
>the CP refuses support from the NCP and then files for government
>support.


That's fine if you don't know, but in that case, your just-deleted
definitive statement seems a bit suspicious:

>>>It isn't the woman that forces the man to pay child support.  It is 
>>>the state.  Child support is sought by the state on behalf of the child,
>>>with the custodial parent as administrator.

         -- Michal Peri, 18 Jan 92  <1jfauqINNa3g@gap.caltech.edu>

Don
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beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: Re:adoption rules
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:52 GMT

>What about births resulting from rape?
Strange I was under the impresion that this was hamered out already and 
everyone agreed that in thhe case of rape the fathers rights were forfit.
Silly me must have been a difrint discusion on a difrint news group, but
This IS the only news group I'm on that should be talking about this I'm 
sure. alt.pagan really doesnt duscuse this sort of thing (sept the ocasional
crosspost), alt.prose is wrighting and discusion of, thoe ethics come up at
times on alt.vampyre and alt.horror.werewolves they arent the same discusions
and any discusions on alt.fan.pern deal with the belefes and structuer on 
perns. Yep this really is the onle group I'm subscribed to that has this kind
of discusion.

Elf-Kin
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE)
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject: Re: Location of posters
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0K0z2.B4J@rice.edu>, micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen) writes...
>This may seem a little silly, but it would be nice if
>persons posting to this group would indicate what city,
>town, r.f.d., pond or whatever they are living in and
>writing about.
> 
>There is a broad variety of urban areas out there to
>talk about and it might help contextualize the comments.

Here here!

mark foggin
new yorker in exile 
stuck at the university of buffalo
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
From: aljones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alice L Jones)
Subject: NYC
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:50:36 GMT

Funny, but it seems that there are only two kinds of ex-New Yorkers:

escapees who give thanks for their freedom

and

those in exile who rue the day they left.


Is there such a thing as a former NYC resident who is neutral about his/her
formal residential status?


footnote:
I've also noted a similar trend among Texans, except that there seem to be
fewer of the "escapee" status, and more of the "exile" persuasion.


Alice
Former Navy brat with an underdeveloped emotional attachment to any single
place.
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE)
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject: New York City
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:20:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Are there any NYC enthusiasts out there?  I'm brand new here and have been
looking for some real good conversations about NYC.  E-mail me please!!!
Thanks.

mark foggin
new yorker in exile 
at the university of buffalo
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 00:51:12 EST
From: <WILHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject:    NYC "Exile" returns!

I'd been in NYC for 9 years when my wife and I moved to LA, seeking a better li
ving. Our set-up was good--we had a nice cheap rental in the Hollywood Hills, I
 had a decent job with a good future....

Six months later we were back in NY for good.

There are two possible threads here--missing NY and hating LA--

and they are hopelessly intertwined.

I missed NY's human density. I don't necesarily like crowds, but I enjoy the co
nstant contact--which is far more frequently positive than sensational news acc
ounts would lead one to believe. LA's street life was mainly vehicular.

I missed NY's diversity. Residentially, NY is just as racially segregated as LA
 but in NY, people of different racial/religious/economic groups interact on a
daily basis. LA (and most of suburban America) consists of ethnic/economic encl
aves.

Also, I missed the Knitting Factory, The Metropolitan Museum of Art, Central Pa
rk, Zabars, the subway, the Brooklyn Bridge...


                               ++Bill D.++
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: wolf mythology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:42:22 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hello everybody, just discovered the the wolf-newsgroup and the gif, 
very nice, I am waiting for more.

New to this group I wonder if ever the mythological aspects of the wolf 
were discussed here.
From a cherokee Indian I heard the wolf is associated with the power
of teaching. Are there any references in other cultures?
CHerokee story: A lonesome wolf would meet the leaders of a pack,
who would turn the "young wolfes" over to the lonesome, to have a three weeks
training and would be returned to the pack after the training.
Is this pure fiction or has onebody ever heard or read of such a practise ?

Would be sad, if this group were cancelled. I will try to watch
newsmedias here and post any related subject.
The only recent news I remember was a TV movie on wolfes in Spain. 

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ebynum@panini.cs.jhu.edu (Evan Bynum)
Subject: GIFs and FAQs
Followup-To: alt.wolves
Summary: Please be sure to read the *whole* article
Keywords: GIF, FAQ, hello again
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:47:18 GMT

Hey folks,

	First off, let's discuss GIFs. Well, I posted arcwolf1.gif last week.
Shortly thereafter, Paul McNabola posted a site address for the rest of them.
So, does anyone out there want me to post the rest of the arcwolf series? I
know that some of you don't have FTP acceess and posted pictures are thus the
only ones you can get off the net. On the other hand, there's no need to post
them if you've already FTP'd them from Paul's site. So, post or E-mail
requests and I'll see what the general consensus is.

	By the way, I've been getting lots of E-mail from people in which
they desire help for viewing the pictures posted here. While I welcome
such correspondence, I think you can save yourself a lot of grief if you
remember a few things:

	First of all, the FAQs for every newsgroup that has one are
available at the aptly named rtfm.mit.edu site, in the directory
/pub/usenet. I suggest you check the FAQ for alt.binaries.pictures.*, as
these detail the process of decoding and viewing pictures. Also listed
within these FAQs are names of sites with viewing software.

	Please read this information carefully, as it will no doubt save you
(and anyone you E-mail for help) a lot of grief and time. If all your efforts
fail, *then* ask those in-the-know for advice. I can probably help people
with microcomputer problems (IBM or MAC) but I don't know about viewers for
SGIs, X Windows, or any other workstation operating systems.

	OK. New question. Is anyone working on an FAQ for alt.wolves? Yeah,
yeah, who'd want it? I know. Our readership is so small (judging by the posting
volume lately) that anyone who would even subscribe to this group already
knows plenty about wolves. On the other paw [groan], a simple summary of
typical discussions here, such as the locations of "wolf parks" open to the
public, wolf-supporting charities (a personal inquiry of mine) and the
oft-mentioned wolf-hybrid would be definite FAQ material. So, does anyone want
to write it (if we decide that we need one)? I'd be happy to, but I don't have
the necessary information (other than how to get GIFs, and that's probably by
E-mailing me). If you folks out there want to send it to me, however, then
I'll get started. 

						That's all for now,

						Evan H. Bynum
						ebynum@cs.jhu.edu

P.S. Don't forget to E-mail me if you want those arcwolf pics posted.
From: vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Virginia P Kunch)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Huskie - Wolfmix?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:12:38 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

Unless a husky has been crossed to a wolf (thereby forming a hybrid),
no, you cannot call a husky a wolfmix.

...unless, of course, you're hinting at some more poetic/fanciful meaning
of "wolfmix"...

-ginny
vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:58:31 EST
From: Calvin C. Collum, II <CCC111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Help Me Too PLEASE!

OPTIONS: NOACK    LOG    SHORT     NOTEBOOK ALL
XOPTIONS: REPLYING to NETNEWS article


I would like help in either viewing the GIF files on the mainframe OR help on
how to download them so I can view them on my PC.  ANY help would be greatly
appreciated!  THANKS!!!
From: mossap@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Moss A D)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: - sierra.gif (0/3) [341x224x2**8] <Photograph>
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:53:29 GMT
Reply-To: mossap@essex.ac.uk (Moss A D)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK


Outer Reference: msubu@csv.warwick.ac.uk
In article <1993Jan20.185337.18234@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, ebynum@panini.cs.jhu.edu (Evan Bynum) writes:

>|> Hey folks,
>|> 
>|> 	As promised, here's a GIF for ya. It's taken from the "Wilderness 1992
>|> Sierra Club Engagement Calendar." The caption for the photo was cut off by
>|> the scanner; it reads, "Gray wolf near Escanaba River State Forest, Upper
>|> Peninsula, Michigan. By Daniel Cox."
>
>	Thanks.  Nice picture.... MORE! MORE!

I'll second that!

>
>|> 	Yeah, yeah. Why didn't I post it as a JPEG, you ask. Well, I
>|> personally hate JPEGs. They's awfully slow to decode, many monitors can't
>|> display 24-bit color, and there's no need to save bandwidth on *this* group.
>|> I figure the more activity here the better, lest alt.wolves is cancelled.
>
>	Well, I prefer JPEGS, but that's only because (usually) the files are
>smaller which means less files for me to cut up and stick together...  Plus of
>course the JPEG eats up less of my quota :)

I, personally prefer JPEG files too, 'cos they're so small, but I'd only have to convert them to GIFs again to view 'em... {8-)

>	However, I'll grant you a GIF is far more preferable to no pic at all!
>
>|> 	This brings me to my next point. I'll be posting more of these
>|> pictures (unless, of course, you prefer to see "0 unread articles" all the
>|> time) later on. Just give me some time to get the pics and scan them in.
>
>	Good.. I'll be waiting :)

And me also! Much as I hate to agree with Xolf three times in a row... :-)
Nice to see a bit more activity on this group...

- Adam

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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: wolf@cs.mcgill.ca (Paul McNabola)
Subject: GIF Stuff
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:14:36 GMT

The arcwolf* series is also available on the tezuka site in the directory
/pub/images/uploads, but they are huge #5 is 332368 bytes.  Also on
tezuka is a small (approx 100k) file called wolf1.gif, which is pretty good.
If I can figure it out I may try to post it.

----------
Paul McNabola         wolf@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

"Always available, never free" ---Buck Godot
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: tjones@willamette.edu (Tyler Jones)
Subject: Re: sierra gif
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:32:58 GMT

In article <C18J7L.8Mo@cs.mcgill.ca> wolf@cs.mcgill.ca (Paul McNabola) writes:
>I duly did all the things necessary to get the GIF down to my machine, but no
>GIF viewer I own recognises it as a GIF
>any suggestions out there?
>
   Try doing it again.  It worked fine for me.  What are you using - maybe we
can figure out what the problem is.  To everyone, has anybody posted the 
Arctic Wolf series?  I found these 6 GIFs (titled ARCWOLF1-6) on some graphics
FTP site somewhere, and I suppose that if a few people wanted to see them, I
could TRY to post them (I've never posted a graphic before, so I don't know if
I can make it work).  They're really good, like SIERRA only bigger.  Lemme
know, either send me mail (so as not to clutter up this newsgroup) or post if
there is interest in the ARCWOLF series.  Like I said, I don't know if I can
do it, but I'd be willing to give it a shot.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: wolf sighting
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:03:52 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

Well, it was over a year ago but it*s still a sighting.  I'll provide a story
setting first.  If it gets too boring for you, or you don*t like my politics
plez skip to the end and be kind to your blood preasure!

Last 4th of July, durring the great chest beating our country was doing in
the Gulf, we decided to leave the country and avoid seeing an obnoxious 
display of pseudo-patriotism.  My brother suggested Churchill Manatoba might
be a fun place.  You know, cold, polar bears, tundra,...  Sounded good to us.
An adventure! Let*s go!

You drive to Winnepeg (sp) and buy a train ticket from Gilliam (the end of the
road) to Churchill for $40C.  Spend the next day and a half driving to Gilliam,
the last 300K on a dirt road dodging rocks spit up by racing lumber trucks.
(One of the local people told us to drive in the middle of the road until
they slow down, and then move over to let them pass... right).  No towns, no
houses, no people for 300K.  Lots of trees, lakes, streams, air.

It*s 6:00 am, we*re on out way back to the madding crowd, Rox is driving, I*m
trying to catch a few winks.  As we round a left hand bend, up a small hill Rox
sez, *Rick, what*s this !?*.  I pop my head up above the dash and there in the
middle of the road is a big wolf!  It was facing left, with it*s head turned towards
us approx 30 yards away.  As we slowed to a stop, it turned it*s head and
lumbered off the side of the road into the thick brush.  The whole sighting 
must have lasted only 4 or 5 seconds, but the rush of seeing that wolf kept 
us awake till we camped later that day (we*d been up over 36 hours.  You 
just can*t sleep on that train.)  Had we been a little faster or slower we
would have missed it.  It was the highlight of the trip!

-- 
                Richard F. Herwig  -  email: rickh@ems.cdc.com 
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To think God will protect you and your children is erroneous.
He has already given us everything to cause the end of suffering.
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