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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: 1986 Kawasaki Concours $2950
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:18:56 GMT

In article <BvCKMt.9H4@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
|You've posted this four times already.  If you really want to sell a bike to 
|these posers^H^H^H^H^Hupstanding members of society, you have to at least
|mention the color of the bike.

Well, it being an 86, unless it's been repainted, it's grey.

Um, it just occurs to me that a short time back, Stephen Dupre asked the net
about the pros and cons of the Kawi Concours.  So, Stephen, what's the story?
Did you get one and didn't like it?

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Looking up!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Almost there)        |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: I got another motorcycle
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:52:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1615
Distribution: usa
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR


"Senile old man relives misspent youth, film at 11."


It's an RD350, exactly like the one I got nearly twenty years ago to replace
the Kawasaki 90 "Evil Motorcycle with the Warrantee from Hell".

My wife _made_ me buy it, but she did have the grace to apologize. I had
to forgive her, she spent an hour making room for it in the garage.
Apparently she figured an RD350 of the correct model, that ran, beat an
R5 waiting to be rebuilt. Gosh, women are hard to figure out. (NOT for
sale, her or the motorcycle.) It's grape purple, so we named it 
"Nippon Shu", which means Japanese wine. For those of you in the northwet,
there _will_ be a party once it's streetable.

It needs some tightening and checking and adjusting, and a gentle break in
(new valve job ;-) and the mysterious substance resembling chopped aspic
where there ought to be brake fluid looks like the Original Source and
Spring of World Spooge. But it's an RD350, it runs, and it's MINE.
Not taking it on the road until it's been carefully checked out is
going to be real tough.

  So when you've got a bunch of motorcycles, how do you decide
  when you're ready, heading out the door, which one you're going to ride?



Ed, in today's world, with all the used bikes available at ridiculously
low prices, howcome you don't get a bike, howcome?

OBob: :-) :-) :-)

OBlaurie: Yeah, she can ride this one if she wants to.


          Martin Golding           |        BMW R100/7  "Britt"
 DoD #236  BMWMOA #55952  WMTC #2  |  BMW 750/6/2+Ural  "Treaty of Leningrad"
              KotP                 |     Ducati 860 GT  "Mouse"
  There's always More,             |         Honda 150  "Dreamboat"
    That's what More _means_!      |      Yamaha RD350  "Nippon shu"
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin     |     Yamaha XV750J  "Julia Tiberius"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Crosswinds
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:14:13 GMT

In article <19v7t8INNb7t@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 145200REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () writes:
>>
>>Drive your vehicle along X.  Let Y be up and
>>let the axis of rotation be Z (to your right).  
>
>OK.
>
>>Apply a force along -Y,
>
>Which is down.  What happened, a vulture just land on my head?
>
>>cross this vector with Z and a -X directed procession of the revolving
>>object occurs.
>
>So the extra weight of the vulture is pushing me backwards?!?!

Yes it can; see explanation below.

>>   If your motor mounts are worth a damn, this means that your vehicle
>>has turned to the right!  
>
>No, Z is to the right, remember?
>
>Yet another rec.moto fizzics demo fizzles!

Ed, you deranged person you. If the buzzard lands on your head, by adjusting
its wings properly, it can provide an upward, downward, backward, or lateral 
force to the rest of the bike/biker unit. This can be very handy indeed for 
sudden stops, hard cornering, or clearing that unexpected pothole in the road. 
In fact, this is an option for most BMWs (actually, though, being from Der 
Vaterland, BMW's recommended option is a war-eagle), and the new System V 
helmets have a perch built in. And as eagles can achieve velocities in excess 
of 100 mph in a stoop, wind will in no way discomfort these fine accesories.
I highly recommend them, though you should of course keep them well-maintained
(fed): my neighbor is starting to complain about his missing dog.

In short, before you flame someone, I suggest you take an introductory Ornitho-
logical Biophysics course. 

Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Date: 05 Oct 92 10:19:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: brakes holes cooling

In rec.motorcycles jeg@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Gelnaw) writes:
;Now, when you drill the holes through the disc, you're doing something very
;important... you're increasing surface area.  The more surface area of the 
;disc that's exposed to the air, therefore you have more heat dissapation.

Maybe, maybe not.  The area of the disk surface
removed by each hole is 2*pi*r^2, where r is the
radius of the hole (2 because the disk has 2 sides).
The amount of surface added about the perimeter
of the hole is 2*pi*r*t, where t is the thickness 
of the disk.  So if t>r you add surface area; if 
t<r you decrease surface area.

Also, air does not flow through holes perpendicular
to the disk surface as well as it does over the face 
of the disk, so less heat is carried away from a 
drilled disk than from a solid disk, given equal
total surface area.

---
chris
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:21:07 GMT

Actually you might want to make arrangements with the neighbors
to park your bike in their garage for a few weeks. preferably
the neighbors in back of you and dont use your front door.
In other words make like you dont live there anymore for
a while.
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From: randy@ninja.megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:59:07 GMT

In article <jcn.717863366@helix> jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols) writes:
|<HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
|>How far does the average Denizen commute?
|20-30 minutes, every day, rain or shine, as only a true Denizen does.

  Hmmm...  Correct, a TRUE Denizen, like most other people, doesn't live
AT work, so a true Denizen commutes, EVERY (work) day, rain or shine, as
I do, also.

  However, since I live 4.5 miles and 5 minutes from work (60 mph between
and sometimes *through* stoplights :-), I *sure* as hell don't waste riding
my motorcycle to work - I care more for it than the car, so it doesn't get
abused with this short commute.  For that matter, the bicycle does a good
job on the commute, also.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: passing on the right (was: Stupid BIKE
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>When I was a kid, I never could figure out why "reckless" driving was a
>bad thing.  I you drive and don't wreck, that's good, isn't it?

  i also can't figure out the american moral majority sometimes.  why
  here when driving twice the american speed limit i have to look in
  the rear view mirror to make sure big mercedes don't run me over
  while in america, i look in the mirror for cops that are likely to
  throw me in jail.

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jnj@cci632.cci.com (John Jenkins)
Subject: Re: Drag racing
Keywords: Fun, go faster and faster and ...
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. - Network Application Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:28:51 GMT

William E. Johns writes:
> Weather permitting, I'm gonna try drag-racing this weekend.   Like Jurgen
> said, "I'll taste of any drink once."
Once ???  I laugh at you !!   I said that two years ago...  Now 250+ 
runs later, I know better !!

As Buck's wheelie-bar sticker reads:
 "The Surgeon General has found that Drag Racing is dangerous to your wealth."

> said, "I'll taste of any drink once."  So other than holding the tack
> near the rev limiter and popping the clutch, what words of advise can be
> offered on the proper technique for maximum acceleration on a strip,
> distribution?  Other useful techniques?
On my Katana, I've found the following techniques give hard-launching, 
eyeball-flattening front-tire-skimming launches, and good consistent times:
	1)  Properly warm tire, followed by a few hard dry-hops
	2)  Stage
	3)  Lean forward moderately
        4)  4500 RPM
	5)  Dump clutch and WOT simultaneously
	    (no bogging OR red lights allowed !)
	6)  Stay low on gas tank through traps, making "perfect" shifts
	7)  Shift at Redline - 300 (you gotta find this sweet spot)

Usually good for a low 1.7 60 foot time, and a real low 11.0 run at 
121-122 mph.   Coupled with a .500's reaction time and you're hard to beat
in eliminations (assuming bracket racing).  It's given me 30 wins and 6 losses
in competition this year.  Buck, what's your w/l ratio ???

A few tips:
  1)  The race is won in the first 60 feet except when missing a shift
  2)  Concentrate on reaction time as well as launching
  3)  Try different shift points
  4)  If your seat is slippery at all, smear some Coke or Pepsi on it to 
      give it some stick.

> ideally with minimal damage/wear and tear on the bike.  Should the chain
> be relatively loose or tight?  Tire pressures?
I've got 250+ runs on the stock clutch and OEM chain and it still hooks 
like new.  For preparation, I use regular tire pressures, but I take the 
spring preload all the way down in the rear, to kill wheelies.  I keep 
the chain at a 1.5 inch freeplay, with the bike on the center-stand.  Ideally,
you want to keep the forks from extending (tie-down), but it's not necessary.


> Buck, are you still with us??
Yeah, he's still with us, but he's been hiding his head in shame after
such a dismal racing season :-(  He did manage a 10.999 on the FJ, though :->
So take my advice and forget Buck's :-p

Let us know how you do.

John
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| John Jenkins   (DOD #219) |             '89 Katana 1100                   |
| Rochester, New York       |                                               |
| Northern Telecom  NAS/CCI |     "A man's got to know his limitations."    |
| Email : jnj@cci.com	    |                - Inspector Harry Callahan     |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
From: saidra@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Raoul Said)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Mushy brakes: what happened?
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:30:29 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


	1500 miles ago my FZR600 had incredible front brakes.  For some reason
in the last 3 months they have gone to mush!  I can pull the lever to the bar
no problem.  What caused this?  My pads are fine and the brake fluid is not
low.  Any ideas?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: car-to-bike jump start
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:29:55 GMT

In <1992Sep27.224050.1303@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:

>Done it many times on many bikes.  12v. is 12v. (or whatever the voltage
>really is).  BUT, leave the car engine OFF.  The car alternator or generator
>output may screw things up.

	As much as I hate to agree with Pooder (general principles, ya
know), he's right.  I've jumped the CB750K4 from cars, riding lawnmowers,
huge John Deere diesels, Ford trucks, Chevy trucks, cars, and all sorts
of other equipment.  12VDC is 12VDC, but that alternator output might
just fry something.  Jump the bike, then start the vehicle you jumped it
from if you're worried about a low battery.

	I've also jumped all of the above from the Honda.  Granted, it
did take an hour of fast idle (oil temp monitored all the time, BTW)
to get the John Deere diesel charged enough to start, but it did work.


	Alternative query: I had a two year old battery, which I took out
of the bike and set in the basement where it would not incite the Wrath
of the SO (tm).  When I dropped it in the bike this summer, no juice.  It
wouldn't take a charge, either.  Is there some reason behind the old
legend of not setting a battery on a concrete floor?  Yes, it was full
of electrolyte and fully charged to boot when I set it down.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: N.E. Feed-Ride-Feed Tour
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:41:40 GMT

For those poor unfortunate souls elsewhere in the U.S. and those not included
in the highly regarded 'NEDOD' mail list, this post is for you!

The first annual Feed-Ride-Feed Leaf-Peeping Tour of NH and VT will be taking
place Sat. 10/10 (or Sun. 10/11 if better weather). This is a one day trip, 
and is sponsored by Gary Wasserman and myself.

This posting is to give those of you 'locals'  who may have missed our 'nedod' 
posts re: the same a chance to get in on a great ride.

So far, the following people have responded:

	Dean Cookson	maybe 
	John S. Morris	definate
	Art Campbell	definate maybe
	Jae D. Roh	maybe +1
	Keith Hanlan	definate
	Scott Lilliott	definate
	Gary Wasserman	definate
	Sera Markoff    definate +2
	Max Buxton      definate
	John Dennis     definate
	Rich Bemben     definate almost (it's a Triumph...)
	Jim Toga        definate
   	Paul Bicknell   definate

Details:

	Pancake breakfast at my house in Hudson MA from 8:00-9:30 AM.
	(REAL maple syrup!)
	Ride to NH, picking up Gary W. along the way.
	Approx. 300 miles of backroads in NH and VT.
	End at Gary's house for BBQ in Hollis NH about 5:30.

Those needing a place to stay Friday night: I can put up 1 to 3 more people
or choose local area mo/hotels. Email me at: csl@msd.ray.com

Those needing a place to stay Sat. night: contact Gary at: grw@HQ.Ileaf.com

I will post directions to my house next week. This should be a great run!
All motorcycles brands accepted, even Harleys ridden by people named Tod
(... just couldn't resist ... :)

RESPOND NOW so we can get an approx. headcount for meals.!   THANKS!

S.
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   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
    #   AMA #600897             "If you push something hard enough,   #
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry)
Subject: Re: Motorcycling in Europe
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 08:14:37 GMT

>many shops here sell bikes re-imported from the US, also Japanese bikes. Very
>easy to see: miles instead of kilometers on the instruments. So it MUST
>pay off to bring a bike along. Especially if you can sell it without paying
>import tax after a year or so.
>Henk Poell.

my old roommate told me it is almost standard practice to report
your US bike stolen when you sell it in Europe.  whomever you sell
the bike to separates the frame and the engine and sells those
separately.  the high tax and the registration hassle are what
makes this the best way.

no flames, that's just what he told me.
noemi
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noemi@cs.ucla.edu (for now)     				KotSBL
DoD #443  						'82 KZ 305 CSR
	NM (Next Motorcycle) countdown: $3000 left to go :-(
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From: ssuhouns@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Paul Marshall Hounslow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A different BMW question - tires
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:05:21 GMT
Reply-To: ssuhouns@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading

In article 28627@awdprime.austin.ibm.com, bade@athena2.Berkeley.EDU () writes:
>
>
>> I have just been fortunate enough to acquire a used '91 K75RT
>> (in a stunning metallic crimson, with ... sorry, can't help mysel
>> This is a tire question.  The tires on the bike are Pirelli Sportster (?)
>> Phantoms.  On my regular commute to work (80 - 90 km/h along
>> nice twisty roads) I have found that the tires are letting go
>> of the road on the occasional corner.
>I put a set of Pirelli Match in slightly wider/lower profile on my
>K75 when the stock Metzler wore out.  5000 miles later when I
>traded up to a K75S the tire had minimal wear, and had not squared off
>at all.   I regularly ran at 70 to 80 mph without any feeling of
>slipping on the nicer twisties in Central Texas.  I'd say that the
>Phantoms are a harder touring compound and were put on for long
>life.
>
I had Phantoms on my K100RT when I bought it in 1985.  Bloody awfull things,
They would "go off" when they got hot.  More than a half hour over 60mph, and
it felt like a flat.  Soon junked those!  Best things I have found, on the K100's,
are Michelin radials.  Last longest too. 3000 out of a Metzler is no joke at
20000 a year.  The Michelins gripped the best, and lasted 5000miles.



Paul

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Packet: G4YFY@GB7BEQ                 I have no employer (I retired ;-).
EMail:  ssuhouns@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk  1990 16 valve K100RS(LT)    DoD #0573
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:24:22 GMT

In article <Oct.5.11.43.50.1992.6711@remus.rutgers.edu>, kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
> I apparently
> am stupid (I took calc II 3 times),

Hey, me too!  I got a 'D' when I finally passed...

- Roid
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel and Riding
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:37:08 GMT
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

In article <1992Oct6.180745.5699@research.nj.nec.com>,
behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct2.154058.602@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
|> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
|> >
|> >one item which i have found to reduce vibration in the handlebars
|> is
|> 
|> 	Okay, so has anyone tried the Liquid Bar Snake?  It's $22 more, so
|> 	Someone, speak up so that I can use my mirrors again.
|> 
|> 
OH, so thats your problem, the mirrors vibrate tooooo muuch.
You could always take some of the AC output from the alternator,
route it to the insides of your thighs and put a momentary 
switch next to the horn button...should make your eyballs vibrate
at or near the the same freq as the mirrors :-)

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Internet: fist@iscp.belcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: k-man@diego.llnl.gov (Kevin Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Help with MC name requested again.
Keywords: Desert Thunder? name in use?
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:12:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Here and there

Hi again.  I am putting this question out on the net again:

Does anyone know if there is a Motorcycle Club using the
name "Desert Thunder"?

Please let me know.  thanks

Kevin Anderson     k-man@juan.llnl.gov
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you buy for $2000?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 03:47:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) said:
:- root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
:- kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
:- 
:- ] Who said sportbikes?  You can get a *real* good BMW R60/2 for under $2K,
:- ] or most R75/5 R75/6's are in this range.  This will get you a bike that
:- ] will take another 40,000 miles, etc,etc,rave,rave.
:- ]    The devil made me do it.
:- 
:- The joke was a poke at Ravi and his GS500.  I guess you really can't
:- leave out those smiley faces!
:- 

	poking fun at me is ok... but dont dare try making fun of my the
	gs500... there are professionals at suzuki who are paid to do
	that.

	peace,

	- ravi


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From: wsh8z@Turing.ORG (William S. Heyman)
Subject: Re: full face DoD? (INFLAMMABLE MATERIAL ENCLOSED)
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:44:13 GMT

In article <BvAoF1.FpB@avalon.nwc.navy.mil> erik@peewee.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van Bronkhorst       Code 3814                               Phone 939-1421) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.220135.1301@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>	OK.  Do _all_ DoDers wear full-face helmets?
>>	All the ones I've seen do.
>
>Only the smart ones. ;-)

uh... me too, I'm pretty sure.

Will Heyman		UVA Applied Math	wsh8z@virginia.edu
DoD# 638		CB450T Hawk '82		$5 Ultimate
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what has this country come to (and aerostitch info request)
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:15:06 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

> joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
> ]
> ]last night the wife and I went out shopping for some simple jean jackets
> ]to use as "biker" jackets (you know, for patches, rally pins, etc) to
> ]wear around the campsite, etc. all we wanted was your basic no-frills 

jeez, am i the only one who is still wearing the same jean jacket 
for the past 15 years?  mostly, i wear it with a down vest over the
outside.  that's for the coldest of coldest san francsico nights.

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