HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Will Zoe be charged?
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas -- 214-436-3281
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:24:33 GMT

In article <cornell.727933185@vivaldi> nobody writes:
>butleri@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>
>>     I do have one question about Zoe. Is she going to be charged for
>>knowingly hiring illegal aliens, and failure to pay the Social Security
>>Tax? Or is she going to be allowed to get away with it?
>
>She already has been fined for this hasn't she?
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>What I write does not necessarily represent the view of my employer.

She had to pay all back taxes owed on the employees as well as Social Security,
plus interest and penalties (which roughly were $1000). All in all, she took
a fairly significant financial hit (at least according to my pocketbook) in
the whole affair. And yes, the case is closed, no other action is to be taken.


-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt                                  I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've    thyat@sdf.lonestar.org                     suffered quite enough, thank you!    Arlington, TX                                                                                                                                                    Help! I'm being repressed!  -M.Python                                          -------------------------------

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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:59:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says:

>In article <1993Jan25.164213.11126@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan25.150001.23694@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>>>Wrong.
>>>
>>>FIRST 100-DAYS ECONOMIC PLAN:
>>>
>>>Clinton in interview on ABC's "Good Morning America", June 23, 1992
>>>	"...I'll have the bills ready the day after I'm inaugurated.  I'll send them
>>
>>	 This was before we found out that Bush had mis-lead
>>the American people, which was normal for him, concerning the
>>size of the national debt. 
>
>       Figures which, I recall, nobody took particularly seriously, except
>apparently Bill Clinton.
>       But I seem to recall Bill Clinton's respsonse to George Bush's 
>explanation that things had changed between his no new taxes pledge
>and 1990 was that it was irresponsible to make promises when you know
>there's a good chance events will over take you.


     Come on, no more negativity.  Here, I got a great laugh for you,
     that just happened *moments* ago:

     I'm walking along.  My University of Idaho counterpart yells out:

      " Hey, Broward "
        " How much information do you have about South America?.  My wife
          and I are thinking about moving.  Maybe to Belgium. "
        " She just got laid off.  This is bullshit. "

    hahaha.  Yep, yep, everyone just gon stay right here and get dicked
    alright.

      I told him I was reformed.  "Jump on the Piece Train"


>>	This is really funny, watching you hard core
>>conservatives go through "abussive power" withdrawal. Just
>>think FOUR YEARS.....
>
>       Apparently one must be a hard core conservative to criticize
>the President of the United States.  Right...
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  (Mail to VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu will bounce.)
>"Of course the government and the newspapers lie.  But in a democracy,
>they're different lies."
>

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From: mrichter@oracle.uucp (Mark Richter)
Subject: Re: CLINTON: The Majority of Americans Didn't Vote for Me, Anyway.
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:59:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1jhgttINNgrl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jak@panix.com (Jack Krueger) says:
>
>>In <C13ACA.ED7@newsserver.technet.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>>
>>Any individual, no matter how obscure, who knows what being responsible 
>>*is*, knows the distinction between a promise and a goal.
>>Clinton seems to know the distinction and there are many who have not 
>>evolved, not even through the generous help of cyberspace.
>>
>>
>Ah....I see!  By calling them "goals" instead of "promises" Clinton can be
>released from his, er, promises....commitments...uh, statements of intention...
>damn!  You know...those...things...he said, on the basis of which he was
>elected president.
>
>Hmm...needs some work.
>
>Is there a semantician in the house?  Eric Blair, call your office....

Here's the deal: There's a book out there, still in the bookstores mind you,
that details the "promises".  There's no backing away from this stuff.
"Goals" - gimme a break!  

-- mark
>
>-- 
>******************************************************************************
>The opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very
>carefully thought out.  It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the
>University of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University.


Mark D. Richter                                             1.415.506.4852
Oracle Corporation, Desktop Products Division       mrichter@us.oracle.com
500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659409, Redwood Shores, CA 94065
------------ "Unlike leadership, golf builds character."------------------
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:11:42 GMT

Hold on just one minute here....
>
>Here's a clue for you nosy, free of charge. ALL politicians make
>unrealistic promises during a campaign. Bush did it, Perot did
>it, and Clinton did it. If you are voting just based on campaign
>promises, especially ones like this, then you are being
>extremely naive. With a system as dynamic as the economy,
>anybody who knows anything about it knew that adjustments
>would have to be made before the program could be presented.
>Would it make you feel better if he presented the plan, without
>adjustments to account for current trends, so he could keep an
>irrelevant and rather trivial campaign promise?

If the economy is so dynamic then how can any program be introduced
because the economy will have changed by the time the plan in approved?
This kind of excuse making for Clinton's broken promises are 
very transparent.

>
>The electorate is to blame for this situation
>because we won't elect politicians who don't make such
>promises to office. We force them to throw marshmallow dreams
>at us (guraranteed tax cuts, easy fixes) in order to be elected.
>
Then how is the electorate supposed to vote?  They vote for what
the canditates say they will do.  Clinton promised to do a lot of things.
He did not say he would try to do these things if it were possible.  He
said he would do A and B and C....etc.

>Fortunately, candidates have something more substantive to
>examine when deciding how to vote. It is called a record. In it
>you will find the true nature of a man---how he voted, what he vetoed,
>what programs he presented, which bills he signed, what experience
>he has, the results of his decisions,....

I think Clinton's record in Arkansas was abysmall.

>
>>
>> <   I'm glad, for my nervous system's sake, that I'm not as full of hate
>> <   as some of these people, who at this pace will be totally incoherent
>> <   in a few more weeks.
>>
>>   Indeed, some folks may create an entire newsgroup just for
>>   their hatred....or has Pajerek not met Harelb?
>
>I think you are being hypocritical....
>
>Norman
>
>Dr. Norman J. LaFave
>Senior Engineer
>Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company
>
>
>
>
>When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>                               Hunter Thompson



JSL.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.president.clinton
From: glass@adcalc.fnal.gov (Michael Glass)
Subject: Re: Clint's appointments
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: appointments, qualified
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, AD/Controls
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:02:00 GMT

In article <C17vp2.AyI@math.uwaterloo.ca>,
shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit) writes...
> 
>Do I feel Zoe Baird is qualified?  Well, until a few days ago, I did.
>As Chief Counsel for Aetna Life & Casualty, I think she has extensive
>experience in law and management.
> 
>But the revelations about her hiring illegal aliens has made me think twice.
>I believe the law requiring employers to verify that new employees are
>working legally is misguided.  It's a bad law.  But the way to get rid
>of bad laws is to pass new ones, or in extreme circumstances, to use
>Martin Luther King's nonviolent means of protest, where the law is
>publicly broken and then the punishment is taken.  It's not right to just
>ignore the law, the way Steve's friends in the NRA do with California's
>assault weapons law.  She *knowingly* broke the law.  As Barbara Jordan
>remarked last night on MacNeil-Lehrer, we cannot have the nation's highest
>law enforcement executive in the position of breaking a law for
>his/her own convenience.  
> 
>Zoe Baird should *not* be confirmed.  She should withdraw herself from the
>process.  But then, Ed "if a person is innocent of a crime, then he is
>not a suspect" Meese shouldn't have been confirmed either.

     Thomas Sullivan, former U.S. Atty. for the Northern District of
Illinois, said on WBEZ today that he knew of a number of assistant
U.S Attorneys who had not filed the proper forms for *their* domestic
help, and he personally would not even apologize.  This is, in his
analogy a venal sin, not a mortal one.

-- Michael Glass
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: hhuang@athena.mit.edu (Han-Young Huang)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:28:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.163710.2788@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:

>Judging by the volume of persistent, hysterical anti-Clinton postings
>from sources such as Mulac et.al., it's going to be a long four years
>on t.p.m.
>
>The frivolity of some of these postings if laughable. For example,
>'DAY ONE: WHERE'S THE PLAN?': I suppose Mulac et.al. would be happy
>if Clinton *had* submitted a 'plan to save the economy' on 'DAY ONE'?
>
>Yeah, right.
>
>I'm glad, for my nervous system's sake, that I'm not as full of hate
>as some of these people, who at this pace will be totally incoherent
>in a few more weeks.

Do you forget the days of George Bush was around?  But the Democrats
stayed polite and reasonable, and they never lowered themselves to
smear, hysteria, doublestandarding.  *NOT*!

Furthermore, it's hardly frivolous if Clinton doesn't have a plan.  As
the press would have it, Clinton was elected on a ``mandate,'' no?
Well, where *is* it?
From: matt_wilkinson@plato.nwu.edu (Matthew W. Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Inauguration
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:16:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <C1Cuv7.L56@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dailcann@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Christine A. Dail) wrote:
>      Who ordained you God the omniscient with the right to declare their
> concern fake?  You sound a bit paranoid that people may actually start
> to care about their fellow man and actually HELP one another, for the
> benefit of the common good.  What's wrong with celebrities getting
> involved and by doing so, encouraging their fans to pay more attention
> to the problem as well?  These are the role models of our society-- chosen
> by the populous.  Whether we like it or not, they have influence, and what
> better way to use their influence than to remind us of the need for AIDS
> research, as in your example.

I suppose you're right... misspellings ("Potatoe") does damage credibility.
After all, Democrats never misspell anything. And I've never seen anything
misspelled on UseNet, nor in the New York Times. Spelling does the scholar
make. 

And I suppose celebreties are more concerned about AIDS not because its the
politically correct thing to do, but because they feel compelled to
influence the ignorant general public.  I must say that I didn't run across
any of my role models in Clinton's inauguration, thoughh. Ooops... I've got
to start packing... I'm moving to Colorado!

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From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: ZOE BAIRD: ATTORNEY GEN.
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:11:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <29989@oasys.dt.navy.mil> harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) writes:
>In my mind she should be prosecuted for knowingly breaking
>the law.  This is a simple case of the law pertains to other people -- not
>me.  

Well, well. I only wish Republican'ts had had this attitude during the 
Reagan-Bush years. Instead, such prosecutions (of much more serious charges)
were bashed as wastes of money. 

By the way, Betty, were typing your message on government time? I hope not.
If you were, I'll have to complain to your superiors. 

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Homework assignment for the media
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:10:28 GMT

In article <2451@blue.cis.pitt.edu> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.010758.29168@unet.net.com> stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:

>>Well Richard you wanted to know what the latest polls said---now you do.

>Ya know Stan, in all the years I have followed the NET, this was with
>out a doubt the single most disingenuous post I've yet to see.  

Do you really expect us to beleive that you don't read your own posts?:-)

[more of Paul's whacked out bitching deleted]

Richard had asked what the latest nation wide polls looked like. I just 
happened to have one. I'm sure the numbers weren't what he or you had hoped
for but then agian not all the numbers were what I had hoped for either. If 
you've got a problem with the poll I posted I suggest you take it up with 
NEWSWEEK. I did not take the poll, I did not change any of the numbers, and
I did not leave anything out. If you happen to have a poll that is more
up-to-date then 10 days ago please post it because I'd be most interested to
see what it says. I usually receive my copy of NEWSWEEK in the mail on 
Tuesdays. Sooo just for you Paul I will post all the results of their polls 
concerning the Clinton adminstration for the next month. Just becasue you're  
bitter about the election results doesn't mean that the rest of the country
shares that self-defeating attitude.

Stan Knight
|Still haven't gotten any yet, huh Paul?|
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From: sbutler@irscscm.UUCP (Susan Butler)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:46:28 GMT
Reply-To: sbutler@irscscm.UUCP (Susan Butler)
Organization: Federal Government, Washington, DC

>
>Just so their is no confusion (I assume your refering to me), I support
>Clinton but think Zoe Baird should step down because her answers in the
>confirmation hearings (generally) made me sick.  She knowingly violated
>the law & now wants to be in charge of enforcing those same laws.
>Clinton can find a better nominee (assuming, of course, that not all
>lawyers are corrupt).

	Clinton knowingly violated the law when he became a draft
	dodger and now HE is in charge of enforcing those same
	laws--kinda scarey isn't it?
	The Vietnam Memorial Wall is full of names of people who
	were not COWARDS--and now we have one for our president.

	I feel very, very sad for my country.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:06:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.171237.20208@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>I}
>>}Jeeeeez!!!!! Clinton hasn't been president for two hours and you want
>>}a plan presented to the hill???? 
>>
>>
>>Why not?  That's what he said:
>>Interview on "Good Morning America" June 23, 1992
>>"...I'll have the bills ready the day after I'm inaugurated.  I'll send them
>to
>>Congress and we'll have a hundred-day period..."
>>
>>Wanna bet on that one?
>>
>>
>>
>
>Boy I bet you fell for the "Read My Lips" promise too!
>



Well, if it weren't for democratic pressure, ther would have been no
tax increase.



>*****************************************************************
>John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
>NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
>(713)483-9357
>
>"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
>*****************************************************************
>


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:32:23 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc

In <1jnltuINNjn7@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu>, csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu sez:
>In article <JOHNCH.93Jan21152948@test22.sun.com> johnch@test22.sun.com (Slam the Crank from Wheezer) writes:
>>
>>And as a result, the guy [Clarence Thomas] takes no heat for his
> incredible statement
>>that he never had an opinion on Roe v. Wade, which he himself said was
>>one of the most important Supreme Court decisions handed down during
>>his life.  Come on -- is he lying or unqualified?
>
>Point of order. He said he did not feel it appropriate to answer questions
>regarding Roe vs. Wade as it was very likely that he would be facing cases
>in regard to it on the court, which is exactly what he should have said.

Point of information:  Thomas claimed that he had never *discussed*
the case at the time it was issued, although he was a student at Yale
Law at the time.

Besides, this idea that you can't discuss settled precedent is inane.
_Marbury v. Madison_, _Griggs v. Duke Power_, and _Ashwander_ come up
all the time in every Court Term.  Can you possibly be making the
claim that nominees shouldn't discuss them?  If so, why did Thomas
(and Souter, BTW) *agree* to discuss these and other landmark
decisions? 


>The Senate committee had no business asking the question.

The Constitution says otherwise.  Of course, Thomas (or any other
nominee, Democrat, Republican, Zoroastrian, or agnathous) can decline
to respond -- at peril, of course, of being rejected.

-- 
			   797 F. Supp. 186

	   Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
From: sfreedkin@igc.apc.org (Steve Freedkin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WANTED: Maya Angelou's poem
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:10:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1993Jan22.222230.15238@ultb.isc.:1802311446:cdp:1588800084:000:61
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sfreedkin    Jan 24 21:10:00 1993


I have sent an electronic copy of the poem to Paul Ackerman.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Paul Ackerman)
Subject: WANTED: Maya Angelou's poem
Reply-To: pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:22:30 GMT



         I am looking for an electronic copy of Maya Angelou's poem that
    she read at the inauguration.  If anyone would be so kind as to post it
    or to point me in the right direction I would grately appreciate it. 
    Thank you.

                                                      - Paul Ackerman
--
  Paul G. Ackerman III    |   Internet addresses:    |"You're only young
  Rochester Institute of  |pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu| once, but you can be
     Technology           |          -or-            | immature the rest of
  Rochester, New York, USA|pga0625@ultb.isc.rit.edu  | your life."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton,ou.politics
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Sexual discrimination in cabinet
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:02:37 GMT

As if it is not bad enough that Clinton has backed down from a whole
plethora of campaign promises - even prior to becoming the actual
president - I heard something on the news that really burned my britches
this morning.

Apparently some sort of a controversy over hiring illegal aliens has
made Clintons first choice (a woman) for attorney general inelligable
for the position.  He then commented that he felt it was most important
to fill this position with a woman.  I think it is most important to
fill this position with the most qualified candidate - regardless or
race, sex, etc.!!!

Is this what we have to look forward to for the next four years, or did
Hillary (Valerie as Letterman would say) have something to do with this???

swood

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