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From: afsidgb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Gerard Burridge)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts catalogue/address?
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:19:15 GMT
Reply-To: afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.CA
Organization: Environment Canada

In article <1992Dec15.104326.24975@schbbs.mot.com>, yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.150110.3939@uc.msc.edu> wes@msc.edu writes:
|> >I need to buy several parts for various Rivarossi steam engines.  Does
|> >anyone have:
|> >
|> >a) An address for Rivarossi so that I may write to them?
|> >
|> >b) An alternate source for Rivarossi parts?

Try the "successor" company to AHM, which has multi-page ads in the mags,
IHC. They had the Heisler parts I needed, albeit a few years back.
Cud be they were using up old AHM stock.
-- 
 Gerry Burridge                        afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.ca
 Canadian Meteorological Centre        Tel.: 514-421-4646
 2121 North Service Road - #404        Fax.: 514-421-4639
 Dorval, Que.  -  H9P 1J3
From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: European Train Enthusiasts (was Pantographs)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:53:15 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

In article <1992Dec11.120630.4860@schbbs.mot.com> yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal) writes:

>Being French, I first started to buy N-scale European trains, a few years
>ago, mainly from Arnold Rapido, which has a very good reputation of quality
>and a large choice of cars and engines. There are different companies
>iin Europe selling N-Scale stuff, mainly German companies : 
>Arnold Rapido, Fleishman, Minitrix, LIMA, ROCO and also a Spanish company 
>but I do not remember the name.

You are probably thinking of Ibertren?

(BTW, Arnold has dropped the "Rapido" attribute meanwhile. Seems as if 
people don't want their trains to be too "rapid". Some modern N locos 
*can* go pretty slowly; it looks much nicer.)
--
Detlef Lannert      DC3EK      E-Mail: tsos@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
"Gedanken sind nicht stets parat,
man schreibt auch, wenn man keine hat."             Wilhelm Busch
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: rec.models.railroad Fortnightly FAQ
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:56:41 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Dec14.153105.4877@uc.msc.edu> wes@msc.edu writes:
>
>Example 2:
>
>	The following may be true but:
>
>    FAQ:(Baldwin, Lima, and Hamilton are all towns in Ohio.
>
>	Baldwin, Ohio has nothing to do with the Baldwin Locomotive Works
>	located in Philadelpia, PA.
>
Not to be too nit-picky  :-), but in  1928 the Baldwin works
moved from Philadelphia to nearby Eddystone, Pa. When most
people think of "the Baldwin Locomotive Works" they probably
have the Eddystone location in mind. Wes's point is still
valid, though, as the loco works is named after the founder
Matthias W. Baldwin. For a complete story of "the works",
check the book _The Locomotives that Baldwin Built_ by Fred
Westing pub. 1966 by Superior Publishing Co, Seattle Washington,
also re-printed by Bonanza Books.

Michael Stimac
-- 
Michael Stimac
(415) 355-8889
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: A short history of early model railroading
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:04:39 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <urf.724254518@sw2001> urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
>
>1825    Josef Ritter von Baader builds a model in the park of the
>        Nymphenberg castle to interest the king of Bayern in a
>        real railroad project. (But he liked the Main-Donau canal
>        better.)

And lots more elided here....

Urban, thank you for posting such an extremely interesting
summary of model trains. There are one or two errors about
what happened in the USA, though...
>
>        In USA, makers Lionel, Ives and American Flyer mainly
>        made 0 gauge models. Gauge 1 and 2 were kept to the
>        German standard.
>
Yes, Lionel, Ives, and American Flyer did make 0 gauge models.
However, until the Great Depression in the '30s, the bulk
of their output was "Standard Gauge" which was close to,
but not identical with #1 gauge. 1939 was the last year in
which Lionel catalogued Standard gauge (however they have
recently revived the line with some collecter re-issues).

>
>1935    NMRA is founded in USA, and decides that gauge 0 is to be
>        to the scale 1:48. American manufacturers agree that H0
>        is 16.5 mm track and a scale of 1:87.
>
>

The NMRA set standards for 0 scale track and wheels, but they
did not set the scale (proportion). During the '30s and '40s
both 1/4"=1' and 17/64"=1' were widely used to build models to run
on 1 1/4" (0) gauge track. (in the USA)

You have the track gauge correct, however the scale for
US H0 (NMRA standards) is *not* 1/87. The correct scale is
1 foot = 3.5 mm. The 1/87 figure is only an approximation
that has been promulgated in some published material which
is trying to simplify the matter.

>
>1938    American flyer introduces a 1:64 scale, but keep the same
>        track gauge as 0. In the 1940's, it becomes gauge S, but
>        then with a gauge of 22 mm.

S gauge was not introduced by American Flyer, but by Cleveland
Manufacturing (they used the name C-D gauge). American Flyer
had made H0 as their "small" trains prior to WWII. After the
war they dropped 0 and H0 and offered the 1:64 trains on 2-rail
S gauge track. S gauge is 7/8", not 22mm. (Its close though,
22.35 mm) Perhaps you are using the mm. figures for the
convenience of those readers familiar with the metric system,
however, the *definition* of some of the gauges involves
the "inch" system, and the metric numbers you offer are
only approximations.

Lionel also offerred a "small" scale during the '30s. Lionel's
choice for this was 00 gauge. This too was a casualty of WWII.

Michael Stimac
-- 
Michael Stimac
(415) 355-8889
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
From: kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kershner Wyatt)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Modeling the B&O
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:45:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Dec11.154511.3858
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <ByqJzG.FK7@access.digex.com> car@access.digex.com (Mr. Blue) writes:
>
>I'm seriously considering modelling the B&O railroad. I have a few 
>questions regarding prototypical authenticity.
 
>1. Is there a good book out there that describes the railroad's history,
>   what cities/states it served, etc, its engine roster or types of rollling
>   stock it used?

There is one publishing house in Baltimore that printed books on the 
WM and B&O.  I forget their name, but they are very small.  I'll look it up
and put it on the net.
>
>2. What other railroad names could prototypically be used on the model rr?
>  For exmaple, was there any relationship between B&O and Chesapeake and Ohio?
>  Western Maryland RR?? 

If you go to my hometown, you will find evidence of WM, Chessie, B&O, Norfolk
& Western, Pennsy and Cumberland Valley.  This is Hagerstown, MD.  No
flames please, I always forget one or someone wants to get terribly 
precise about times dates and locations.
>
>3. I see lots of Brass out there for ATSF, UP, SP, etc. but one really has

As a Western Maryland Modeler, good luck on finding anything on this road!!
I have to build or imagine a lot.



-- 
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com

My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.
From: ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Good quality N scale track
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:55:50 EST
Organization: Minstrelsy & Lutherie

davison@blueridge.fibercom.com (Mike Davison) writes:

> I am planning to begin construction of a new layout in N scale and 
> would like to determine what the best quality N scale track is. 

I use Atlas flextrak and Peco switches, and have been totally satisfied.
Most N scalers I have spoken to seem to prefer Peco.


=============================================================================
Edward L. Stauff, Nashua NH; ed@stauff.UUCP *or* uunet!mv.com!gozer!stauff!ed
        "Specialization is for insects." -- Lazarus Long
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Help with a Lionel Transformer
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:31:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <calinski.724210714@calspan.com>, calinski@calspan.com (Peter
Calinski) writes, in part:

>I have an old (1950's) Lionel transformer model "TW".  It seems to have 
>developed two problems.

>1 The current limit doesn't seem to work.  If you short something (eg a wheel
>  goes off the track), it delivers full current and over heats.
	I would mouint the appropriate size circuit breaker externally:
	Somewhere from 5-8 amps.  Circuit Breakers sometimes fail/shorted
	closed.

>b) There is an odd device. It consists of a copper colored disk held against
>   a bracket.  The bracket has a wire on it and the center of the disk is 
>   connected to the whistle switch.  What is it/What does it do?

>c) What is the principle used for the whistle?  The whistle switch seems to 
>   increase the output voltage by 7 or 8 Vac. 
	Thats odd device is an old style copper oxide (probably) rectifier.
	The whistle works by ignoring AC, but blowing when a DC component
	is present on the tracks.  If pushing the Whistle button Actually
	increases the AC voltage, the rectifier is shorted.  (Note that some
	test meters do not distinguish unambiguosly between AC and DC.)
	I would first determine if the whistle on the loco functions, if
	possible.

>It has a light that used to go dim if there was a short on the track.  In this
>mode, there was still a small current delivered to the load. As soon as the 
>short was removed the light went to full brightness and full power was 
>restored.

	At a guess, the overload breaker was "shunted" by a resistor.  When the
	breaker opened, the resistor would limit the current.  Elegant and
	reliable, so long as the breaker functions.  The usual thermal breaker,
	employed will self reset, once it cools (if the short circuit is
	removed....)

	These things handle fair amounts of power.  It may be desirable to
	have an experienced reapir person look at it.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass 01775 USA		pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: brad_lange@chdqm1.sps.mot.com (Brad Lange)
Subject: Re: TrainTronics or Snapper?
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad
Organization: Motorola inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:06:58 GMT

In article <FVPuVB4w164w@stauff.UUCP>, ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)
wrote:
> 
> wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris) writes:
> 
> > Has anyone had experience with either of these (of any other) capacitive
> > discharge devices?
> > I am considering getting one so that:
> >       - activating a Peco switch machine does not slow trains down
> > 	  which are powered by the same transformer.
> >       - I can power Peco switch machines from a cheap (Tyco) power
> > 	  supply.
> > I found the prices for both of these units in the Walthers catalogue:
> >       TrainTronics -- $40.00
> > 	Snapper      -- $20.00
> 
> $40?  Forget it!  I built mine from plans in "Practical Electronic Projects
> for Model Railroaders" (or something like that).  Works great (I use Peco
> switches, too), and it couldn't have cost me as much as $20; there's very
> few parts to it.
> 
> 
> =============================================================================
> Edward L. Stauff, Nashua NH; ed@stauff.UUCP *or* uunet!mv.com!gozer!stauff!ed
>         "Specialization is for insects." -- Lazarus Long

Just thought I would mention here that I have built and used the circuit
proposed in the above mentioned magazine, and it does work. However; we
were using the N.J. switch machines and found that after about four months
they were all disassembling themselves, much to our surprise! Apparently
the force of the mechanical movement with all that energy at one time was
vibrating parts off. We tried to solder and glue everything in place to
stop this, but eventually had to go to a simple 12 volt transformer to run
the switch machines.

Brad
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Re: dual motor DD40's
From: hansend@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:22:16 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <45460025@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, js@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Sawyer) writes:
> In rec.models.railroad, sboyle@mbunix.mitre.org (Boyle) writes:
> 
> Actually, rough measurements indicate that it may be possible to have
> two motors *and* a flywheel.  There seems to enough room for a single
> 5/8" dia.  7/8" long flywheel between the motors.  The flywheel would
> then couple the two motors.  You'd probably want to cover the openings
> in the hood (by the way, are these prototypical?  seems strange...)
> so the spinning flywheel doesn't show.

Yes, the openings are very prototypical, though the Athearn version of 
the DD40 never actually existed.  Athearns model was a proposed DD40 
which EMD never had any buyers for. The DD40AX models which UP later ran 
were the product of a collaboration betwen Up and EMD.  The DD35A and B, 
as well as the DD40AX all had the openings in the hood.  These openings 
did not have any doors into the ends of the hood, and I don't know the 
reason for the gap.  The only speculation I have is that it was a 
convenience for access to the other side of the rather long engine.  

> 
> Has anyone done anything like this?  Have there been any articles in
> MRR magazines describing how to do this?  Ideally, is there a readily
> available upgrade kit from someone like NorthWest Short Line that
> would contain all the parts I'd need, plus detailed instructions?  One
> can always dream...  :)
> 
Unfortunately, that is all you can find right now.  (Please, someone 
prove me wrong.)

You can always follow a recent suggestion on the group to write Overland 
Models, and everyone else, and suggest that this is a desired product.  
Also, write Bachmann and suggest they take their rather good DD40AX 
shell and put a Spectrum quality drive under it. 


Doug Hansen  Hansend@physc1.byu.edu
From: grey@futon.SFSU.EDU (Herbert Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: FOR SALE:  Model locomotive made by Rivarossi
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:33:38 GMT
Distribution: rec.models.railroad
Organization: San Francisco State University


Model Locomotive made in Italy by Rivarossi for AHM.

Model of the GE Diesel U25C.  Both trucks are powered.  Operating headlights
in two directions.

Santa Fe markings.

New in box, never used.

Cat. number 5054-E S.F.

Paid $35.00 for it a few years ago, asking $25.00 or B/O.

-- 
grey@futon.sfsu.edu
grey@wet.com

[Paste Standard Disclaimer Here]
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad,rec.railroad
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: marker light brackets and sockets
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:37:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

I'm trying to model NYS&W SW7 #120 in HO.  On the front, where I might expect
to see class lights, there are some odd receptacles.  Slightly above
and to the outside of these are some other protrusions.  I'm not certain
just what these are.  A knowledgeable hobby shop owner thinks that the
latter are brackets for marker lights, and the receptacles are power
outlets for them.  Do those guesses sound reasonable?  Any ideas on what
sort of detail parts to use?  He suggested using N-scale MU receptacles
for the outlets, which sounds like a good idea.  What about the brackets?


		--Steve Bellovin
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn)
Subject: O Gauge accessories
Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:32:03 GMT

I want to build a diorama in 1/48th scale (O gauge) depicting a WWII
airfield scene. I have been told that various manufacturers make model
railroad accessories in this scale. In particular, I am interested in
vehicles, figures, furniture, and trees. Can anyone suggest where to
start looking for these things - preferably mail order sources. Also
what are the better manufacturers?

Thanks,
Jesse Thorn
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stuart Warmink)
Subject: Matte Medium, white deposit, normal?
Organization: Interface Systems @ Bell Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:31:32 GMT
Keywords: scenery, Liquitex

[Sorry if this is a repeat - from what I can tell here an earlier attempt
 at sending this posting failed]

I have notice that the Liquitex brand of Matte Medium leaves behind a white
deposit after drying - especially if is "pools" while still liquid.  I like
matte medium because it remains flexible after drying - and really does dry
quite flat.  "Liquitex" is the brand that I have seen people use in magazines
and books; is this normal behaviour for matte medium or are there other
brands that do not leave this white deposit?

Thanks for any info!
-- 
Stuart Warmink, Whippany, NJ, USA  |  Don't look now, but there is
sw@cbnewsl.att.com                 |  somebody standing behind you.
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts catalogue/address?
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.150110.3939@uc.msc.edu> wes@msc.edu writes:
>I need to buy several parts for various Rivarossi steam engines.  Does
>anyone have:
>
>a) An address for Rivarossi so that I may write to them?
>
>b) An alternate source for Rivarossi parts?
>

You are probably right, saying that AHM does not exist, anymore.

I have tried writing to Rivarossi, before to get spare parts for a N-scale
steam engine, and even if I got a reply, Rivarossi does not provide 
spare parts other than the one they sell on their catalogue. I do not 
have the address at the office, but will post it tomorrow. 

Since you are talking about AHM, I assume you are into HO scale. CON-COR
a few months (years...) ago was selling lots of spare parts for N-scale
engines and they even edited a booklet, showing the original exploded 
view of the Rivarossi engines. They also had a listing with all the parts.

I do not know of the equivalent in HO scale. You might try giving them 
a call, or writing them. The CON-COR address is everywhere, they are 
located in Bensenville, IL. 

Rivarossi plant is located in a very nice part of Italy, near a lake
above MILANO. You can visit their factory, and they have a nice museum
with very rare engines and cars. 50% of their production was exported
to USA, a few years ago, and they could not meet the demand. Also, the 
quality of their mechanisms was not that great, as you probably found out.

The best for you, would be to find what you need, at some trade or swap meets.
Good luck.

Yves
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: brad_lange@chdqm1.sps.mot.com (Brad Lange)
Subject: Re: TrainTronics or Snapper?
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad
Organization: Motorola inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.181054.11310@uc.msc.edu>, wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
wrote:
> 
> In article <brad_lange-161292090204@222.188.55.223>, brad_lange@chdqm1.sps.mot.com (Brad Lange) writes:
> |> In article <FVPuVB4w164w@stauff.UUCP>, ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)
> |> wrote:
> |> > 
> |> > wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris) writes:
> |> > 
> |> > > Has anyone had experience with either of these (of any other) capacitive
> |> > > discharge devices?
> |> > >       TrainTronics -- $40.00
> |> > > 	Snapper      -- $20.00
> |> > 
> |> > $40?  Forget it!  I built mine from plans in "Practical Electronic Projects
> |> > for Model Railroaders" (or something like that).  Works great (I use Peco
> |> > switches, too), and it couldn't have cost me as much as $20; there's very
> |> > few parts to it.
> |> 
> |> Just thought I would mention here that I have built and used the circuit
> |> proposed in the above mentioned magazine, and it does work. However; we
> |> were using the N.J. switch machines and found that after about four months
> |> they were all disassembling themselves, much to our surprise! Apparently
> |> the force of the mechanical movement with all that energy at one time was
> |> vibrating parts off. We tried to solder and glue everything in place to
> |> stop this, but eventually had to go to a simple 12 volt transformer to run
> |> the switch machines.
> |> 
> 
> Would you happen to remember the specific issue where the plans could be
> found?
> -- 

Sorry, it wasn't an issue in a magazine, it was one of the projects offered
in a book containing a bunch of other projects for model railroading. The
book is published by Kalmbach and I believe the name "Practical Electronic
Projects for Model Railroaders" as mentioned above is the correct name. I
believe the book costs about $15 USA. The author has two fairly identical
books out with similar types of projects in both books.

Brad
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From: karayan@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos,george)
Subject: NJ Transit questions
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: NJ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:15:57 GMT

I'm interested in expanding my N scale modeling activities to 
modeling the NJ Transit's shore line.  To see if it is worthwhile,
I have a couple of questions:

1.  I noticed that the majority of trains run behind a double-headed
electric locomotive, that strongly resembles European engines.  This
is a BEAUTIFUL loco, and I'd like to model it.  Anybody knows the
designation of this engine (i.e., what do you call it)?  What hope
do I have to find an N scale model of it?  Any  N scale engine I can
modify?  Any pointers would be helpful.

2.  Another engine I noticed is the common diesel.  It looks like an 
F40PH, but it's marked F40PH-2 on the side!  What's the difference
from a regular F40PH?  Can I use the LifeLike NJ Transit model?

3.  I have also noticed the use of another diesel, less frequently.
It looks like a Conrail freight engine, but has NJ Transit colors.
(Excuse my ignorance -- Euro trains is my specialty.)  What engine
is that?  Any N scale versions?

4.  Finally, I need pointers for the passenger cars.  What do they use?

5.  Can I find N scale decals for NJ Transit?

6.  Is there a book or a historical society that may have more info?


Thanks in advance.


___________________________________________________________________
George Karayannopoulos              N2OWO
karayan@cc.bellcore.com             Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad