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Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 11:34:53 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Famous Jerseys, result 0-19

Hello all,

a week ago I asked for everybody's most famous Jersey numbers and got
many replies. So here is the summary for nrs 0-19. I have listed everybody
who was ever mentioned in any post/mail, although there are obvious
differences between the level of players in the list. The combined players
with nrs #2, #4 and #6 are not in the same league as the players of
some inidividual numbers (12 or 16).
So here's the list. Please not I have had no way to check all spelling !!!
Where I knew, I have added the players' position in brackets when it is
not QB.

00. Jim Otto(C)
 1. Warren Moon, Ray Flaherty
 2. Doug Flutie
 3. Daryl Lamonica, Bobby Hebert, Bronco Nagurski, Jan Stenerud(K),
    Tony Canadeo
 4. Brett Favre, Reggie Roby(P), Steve Fuller
 5. Paul Hornung, George McAfee
 6. Marc Wilson :-)
 7. John Elway, Joe Theismann, Bob Waterfield, Dan Pastorini, Bert Jones,
    Dutch Clarke, Mel Hain
 8. Archie Manning, Larry Wilson(S), Ray Guy
 9. Jim McMahon, Billy Wade, Sonny Jurgenson
 10. Fran Tarkenton, Jim Zorn, Brad Van Pelt(LB)
 11. Phil Sims, Norm Van Brocklin, Joe Kapp, Pat Haden
 12. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bob Griese, Jim Kelly,
     Joe Namath, John (/Joe?) Brodie
 13. Dan Marino, Don Maynard(WR), Jake Scott(DB)
 14. Y.A. Tittle, Otto Graham, Dan Fouts, Don Hutson, Ken Anderson
 15. Bart Starr, Steve Van Buren, Earl Morrall
 16. Joe Montana, George Blanda, Len Dawson, Jim Plunkett,
     Frank Gifford (FL/DB)
 17. Don Meredith, Harold Carmichael(WR), Brian Sipe, Jim Hart,
     Billy Kilmer
 18. Roman Gabriel, Charlie Joiner(WR), Frank Tripucka
 19. Johnny Unitas, Lance Alworth(WR), Essex Jonhson

Cheers,
           Rene Zandbergen
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:00:59 GMT
 <1993Jan20.101020.16405@walter.cray.com> 
 <JOHNDOE93Jan20.194122@jefferson.inmet>  
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1jml7kINNih@mojo.eng.umd.edu>
edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist) writes:

> Where are the #6's?  Please don't say Marc Wilson.  Any good kickers?  

Well, there's Kevin Butler & Mike Cofer.  I'm having a brain
cramp...didn't Pete Gogolak wear no. 6?

Then you got yer other QB's like Matt Cavanaugh or my personal fave,
Bubby Brister.;-)

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:48:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.173348.44784@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>But, SF only has 1 more victory than Buffalo.  
SF has two fewer losses.

>Are you going to attempt to
>say that "the team with 1 more win is almost always ranked higher"???
Yep, the teams with 1 more win and two fewer losses (1.5 games ahead)

>Lots of examples to disprove this theory...
Show us in any football final polls. I can't wait ....

>Disproves your point as well.   The team with the better record is not 
>considered better, as you have been attempting to claim.  Thankx for proving
>my point...
Well, that's not the final poll. Duke ahead of Virginia by 1.5 games
at the end of the season is NOT A FACT yet, Duke losing to Virginia is.

>>On what basis do you say your data point is the only true data point?
>Cite the article where I say my data point is the only true data point...
>Come on Ed, Cite It or shut up...
<1993Jan20.161655.32214@uvmark.uucp>:

    And, still, our only true data point is:
    Buffalo 34 SF 31, week 2.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: New Clock rule
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:47:58 GMT

In article 147293@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV, mcgowan@physics.llnl.gov (Jay D McGowan) writes:
> Could somebody give me the exact details about the new (3 years old)
> clock rule that was mentioned.   I have a bet about this.  Doesn't
> the clock keep running on plays that go out of bounds except when
> the game clock is inside 5 minutes?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jay D. McGowan L-298		jdm@llnl.gov
> "How you handle pressure determines how you handle life"
> LLNL
> 7000 East Ave.
> Livermore, CA 94550
> (510) 423-9860
> 

Except for the last 5 minutes of each half, when the ball goes out of bounds, the
clock is stopped until it is spotted. The referee then signals and the clock is 
started. No longer do they wait until the ball is snapped.

In addition, the 25 second clock was changed. If play is not stopped (i.e. a penalty,
time out, injury etc...) the clock is reset to 45 sec immediately after the whistle
and begins to run. If play was stopped, it is set to 25 sec and starts on the ref's
signal.





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From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who now for Oilers D-Coord?
Keywords: Wade Phillips, Jim Eddy, Oilers, Defensive Coordinator
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:59:22 GMT
Distribution: rec

OK, now that Wade Phillips has accepted the head coaching job in
Denver, who is the leading candidate for the defensive coordinator
job with the Oilers?

Any word out of Houson on this one?

--
Carl Koontz
ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ninth Annual All-Madden Team Announced
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:18:44 GMT
Organization: .

He writes:
> >Practically all of the names on his list are from the NFC! I only saw a 
> >couple of names from the AFC (mostly Houston). Sheeshhh....
>
>You need to remember that CBS carries games in NFC stadiums.  NBC gets the AFC 
>stadium games.

Actually, CBS carries NFC-NFC games and NFC _AT_ AFC games.  Vice versa
for NBC.

--J.J.

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From: xx10645@cehp15 (Xiaocun Xu)
Subject: Re: REGGIE WHITE close to signing with Washington
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:12:49 GMT

centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:


>>In an recent interview reggie white said that he is 
>>talking with washington very seriously. Also he
>>mentioned that since washington is so close to
>>philadelphia that he and his family will not have
>>to go through major changes.....

This is purely speculation at this moment.  ESPN just said that Reggie White
has just put Cleveland Browns onto his list of places he wants to go.
This turning of events mainly due to Dallas and SF made to the NFC
championship game and reported that Browns are willing to dish out
major $$$$$$$$ for free agents this year.  

>If he signs with Washington, then we better try to get
>Neil Smith from Kansas City, if we can.  He's younger than
>Reggie so that's an advantage, but he's not as good as
>Reggie IMHO.

>(Can K.C. make Neil Smith their franchise player, and are
>they going to?)
From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:15:34 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts14 Dan Fouts


--djd
(oops that just happened.  Not even on purpose, but I kinda like it.)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: EHA@stud.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord)
Subject: Retired uniform numbers
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:09:42 GMT

There has been a lot of uniform numbers talk lately. Here are the retired
uniform numbers in the NFL. This list is prior to 1990. Taken from the
official NFL 1990 records and facts book. Please feel free to include
players whoose numbers are retired during the past couple of years.

AFC:
====
Buffalo Bills:
None

Cincinnati Bengals:
#54 Bob Johnson

Cleveland Browns:
#14 Otto Graham
#32 Jim Brown
#45 Ernie Davis
#46 Don Fleming
#76 Lou Groza

Denver Broncos:
#18 Frank Tripucka
#44 Floyd Little

Houston Oilers:
#34 Earl Campbell
#43 Jim Norton
#65 Elvin Bethea

Indianapolis Colts:
#19 Johnny Unitas
#22 Buddy Young
#24 Lenny Moore
#70 Art Donovan
#77 Jim Parker
#82 Raymond Berry
#89 Gino Marchetti

Kansas City Chiefs:
#16 Len Dawson
#28 Abner Haynes
#33 Stone Johnson
#36 Mack Lee Hill

Los Angeles Raiders:
None

Miami Dolphins:
#12 Bob Griese

New England Patriots:
#20 Gino Cappelletti
#57 Steve Nelson
#79 Jim Hunt
#89 Bob Dee

New York Jets:
#12 Joe Namath
#13 Don Maynard

Pittsburgh Steelers:
None

San Diego Chargers:
#14 Dan Fouts

Seattle Seahawks:
#12 "Fans/The Twelfth man"

NFC:
====
Atlanta Falcons:
#31 William Andrews
#57 Jeff van Note
#60 Tommy Nobis

Chicago Bears:
# 3 Bronko Nagurski
# 5 George McAfee
#28 Willie Galimore
#34 Walter Payton
#41 Brian Piccolo
#42 Sid Luckman
#56 Bill Hewitt
#61 Bill George
#66 Bulldog Turner
#77 Red Grange

Dallas Cowboys:
None

Detroit Lions:
# 7 Dutch Clarke
#22 Bobby Layne
#37 Doak Walker
#56 Joe Schmidt
#85 Chuck Hughes
#88 Charlie Sanders

Green Bay Packers:
# 3 Tony Canadeo
#14 Don Hutson
#15 Bart Starr
#66 Ray Nitschke

Los Angeles Rams:
# 7 Bob Waterfield
#74 Merlin Olsen

Minnesota Vikings:
#10 Fran Tarkenton

New Orleans Saints:
#31 Jim Taylor
#81 Doug Atkins

New York Giants:
# 1 Ray Flaherty
# 7 Mel Hain
#14 Y.A. Tittle
#32 Al Blozis
#40 Joe Morrison
#42 Charlie Conerly
#50 Ken Strong

Philadelphia Eagles:
#15 Steve van Buren
#40 Tom Brookshier
#44 Pete Retzlaff
#60 Chuck Bednarik
#70 Al Wistert

Phoenix Cardinals:
# 8 Larry Wilson
#77 Stan Mauldin
#88 J.V. Cain

San Francisco 49ers:
#12 Joe Brodie
#34 Joe Perry
#37 Jimmy Johnson
#39 Hugh McElhenny
#70 Charlie Krueger
#73 Leo Nomellini
#87 Dwight Clarke

Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
#63 Lee Roy Selmon

Washington Redskins:
#33 Sammy Baugh


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From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (james webb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mike Saxon punting poorly
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:13:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu
Keywords: Super Bowl, Cowboys

In article <1993Jan21.165445.3111@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com> gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Mike Saxon has been punting very poorly recently (short punts,
>no hang time).  Anybody know why?

	I've been wondering about this too. Saxons' not the greatest punter in
the world, but he's not as bad as he's been kicking. I was thinking that
maybe the special teams coaches have been asking him to punt a certain way in
order for the coverage team to do well? Maybe by punting low and mid-range,
they're encouraging returns, thus enabling more fumble possibilities. Dallas'
punt coverage team has been going for the ball a lot more than any other team
I've seen this year. Aiming helmets at the ball, or arm carrying the ball.
Saxons' style changes kick to kick like he's trying to compensate for something.
Most kickers have a well defined form, but Saxons' seems to change every kick
(it used to be consistent).

	Back to the punts though. It seems that if the retrurner catches a low
fast ball on the run, he's a lot more likely to fumble when his forward momentum
suddenly goes away. I guess he's also a lot more likely to break a big run too.
From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Young & Marie Osmond
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:25:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1993Jan26.202759.23420@Princeton.EDU>  
glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:
> As the subject says:  Did Steve Young marry Marie Osmond sometime back?
> This was the source of an argument last night.  E-mail preferred.

I've replied by email, as requested...but just in case anyone else is also  
now curious about this topic, I'll post a shortened version of my email  
response:

No.

(OK, OK, a little more of a response: She was married to--now divorced  
from--Steve Craig, a former BYU basketball player. Steve Young has never  
been married--was engaged once, soon after graduation; called it off.)
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:11 EST
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ALL MADDEN TEAM = NFC
 <106398@netnews.upenn.edu>

>I was surprised at the glaring absence of Sterling Sharpe... Madden has had
>a chance to cover a Packer game and one would think that having broken the
>single season record for receptions would garner him a vote!

Actually, John Madden did not do one Packer game this year.  If he had,
I would think Sharpe and Cecil and maybe Favre would have made it.
From: J.A.Needham@daresbury.ac.uk  (J.A. Needham)
Subject: Calling all SEAHAWKS fans...
Organization: SERC Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:09:15 GMT

Is there anybody out there willing to admit to be a Seahawks fan??  I
would like some answers to the following quessies if there are:

1 - What happened to Bryan Millard (Left Guard) this season???  'hawks OL
was poor all season - though not surprising if all previous season starters
go missing for one reason or another...

2 - Former SS Paul Moyer seemed to vanish off the face of the earth.  Why??

3 - How many of 'em made the Pro Bowl this year - Cortez Kennedy is a MUST
surely, Eugene Robinson and Dwayne Harper must be thereabouts too.

4 - Have they picked up anyone half-decent yet via thia new free-agency
thing??  Similarly, have they lost anyone??

Yours, Jim.    

Superbowl??  Well, the heart says Buffalo but the head says Dallas - in 
other words, I'm not committing myself!
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Some More Trivia
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:14:25 GMT
Organization: .

(Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>
>> SB Supertrivia Appendage:
>> 
>>  9. Name only MVP from a losing SB team. (was also first non-QB to be MVP)
>
>      Chuck Howley in SB V

Yup.
 
>> 10. Name only rookie QB to ever start a SB. (neaux hints)
>
>      Hmmm...your 'neaux' hint might indicate Bradshaw, but that can't
>be right since he was drafted in '70. Guess you got me on this one, JJ
>(probably kick myself when I see the answer...)

David Woodley, SB-17 -- as answered by Chris Taylor.  
Bradshaw was in his 4-5th year by SB-9.  Besides, he's almost considered a
Yankee in these parts (from Shreveport, ya know...:).
 
>> 11. What rookie kicker booted a game-winner?
>
>      Jim O'Brien in SB V

Yup.
 
>> 12. Aside from SB-1, which SB had the lowest attendance?
>
>      SB VIII - 71,882

My sources lists SB-8 as having the _third_ lowest attendance.
Last year's SB-26, in the Metrodome, had an attendance of 63,130.
 
>> 13. The city of New Orleans has hosted seven SB's.  How many were in the
>>     Superdome?  What stadium hosted the others?
>
>      Four / Tulane Stadium

Yup.

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--J.J.

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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Emitt & Thurman
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:12:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <WLITTLE.93Jan28092742@dante.nmsu.edu>
wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:

> I saw on ESPN last night a comparison between Thomas and Emitt.  I
> caught it in the middle I think but as far as total yards from
> scrimage goes there was like 100+/- yards difference between them..I
> think and as far a receptions go Emmitt had 58 on the year and Thurman
> had 59.  So I think we can put away the arguement that Smith is not as
> versatile or that he is not as good a reciever out of the back field,
> etc... just a little FYI...What do you guys think??

I saw this as well, but I believe you got it backwards...Emmitt had one
more reception than Thomas which really surprised me.  Of course, I
don't believe Thurman played as much as Emmitt this year because of a
couple small injuries and Davis, but I would concur with you...Emmitt
is a deadly weapon, running or receiving.  I think Thomas probably has
a slight edge on reception ability while Smith has the edge in
rushing...these guys are amazing well matched.

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From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where is Reggie White going..
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:30:16 GMT
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <43971@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

>The net.consensus and media.pundits seem to indicate that Reggie White is
>out of Philadelphia. But where is he going? I heard Bill Worndell (sp?) of
>the draft guide say on a radio show that the top 2 contenders for him are
>Washington and San Diego. SD figures to lose their all-pro DE Leslie O'Neal
>to free agency, and that they will go after White as a replacement. SD
>is supposedly concerned about how O'Neal's knee will hold up in the long run.
>And, of course, White is a better player than O'Neal in all aspects
>of the game. White wants to play on grass and for a contender.  

Does any Eagles fans know if Reggie White has had any serious injuries and
how long he has been in the NFL? He has been one of the most dominant
defensive players the last few years and I am wondering how long he can
keep it up. I assume he is looking for 2-3 million a year contract for
3+ years.

>_______________________________________________________
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SB question
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:20:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <107073@netnews.upenn.edu>
satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

> In article <C1Jv1n.8ox@hawk.cs.ukans.edu> fu@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (See-wai Fu) 
> writes:
> >Does anyone know how many #1 overall draft choices won the Super Bowl?  I 
> > don't
> >remember any #1 overall won SB in the past few years.  Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Fu
> 
> John Matuszak was a 1st choice overall... I think he was with the Raiders
> when they won in 1981.  Oh yeah,  Jim Plunkett who won 2 Super Bowls as the
> QB of the Raiders was also the #1 draft pick overll (forgot about him for a
> second).
> 
What's interesting about these guys is that although they were both
#1's, neither of them won their SB rings with the team that drafted
them.  Matuszak was drafted by the Oilers and Plunkett by the Patriots.
 I think Ed "Too Tall" Jones, who was drafted in '74, is the last #1
overall pick to have won a SB with the team that drafted him...the '77
NFL Champion Cowboys

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From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Ninth Annual All-Madden Team Announced
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Northern Telecom NAS, Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:30:40 GMT


So I see Madden only saw two games involving AFC teams this year.  One with
Houston and one with KC.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
From: rhoads@riches.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys, result 0-19
Summary: #3 Mark Moseley
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:49:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: riches.Jan.26.16.49.06.1993.23161
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

In article <93025.113453RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBERGEN) writes:
> 
> a week ago I asked for everybody's most famous Jersey numbers and got
> many replies. So here is the summary for nrs 0-19. I have listed everybody
> who was ever mentioned in any post/mail

  <list deleted>


One more addition,
#3 Mark Moseley

-- Glenn Rhoads
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA