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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:48:36 -0400
From:         "Nick A. Kraft" <NK8287@BROCK1P.BITNET>

The pythagrian church seems to think that mathamatical truths are separate
from mysticism, and is trying to develop a so called church to integrate
mathamatical concepts into religion.

In my private research I have found many references to many natural
mathamatic phenomina in certain symbols.  Probably the most striking
example would be the Cabala which relates many ideas numerically as well
as by other relationships.

Many occultists do believe that one may come to a better understanding of
god through the understanding of algebra, and it seems that the makers of
the Cabalistic view of the universe felt that way also.  (Is the thought of
a unicorn a real thought?  How about radical -1?  Yes, of course it is).

Human beings like to be deluded into thinking that God is a higher life form
that is above us.  However, I for one think that God as a conscousness all
around us that we do not fully realize in our day to day lives.  We are a
part of it and it is a part of us (using it to refer to "God" since God
cannot be considered gender specific since it would have to be both and
neither at the some time).


                                                           Nunner.
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From: amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli)
Subject: law of 5 (was Re: sigh)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:07:35 GMT

LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET writes:
	...
>Agreed.  Happiness kin kill ya, if there ain't nothing to be happy
>about.

Should there ever come about a situation in which there is nothing to be
happy about (a highly hypothetical hypothesis, given that the highly
hypothetical subject is and cannot fail to be The Living God and/or
Goddess) balance can quickly be restored by noticing that both "happy"
and "felix" (the Latin word usually thought about as equivalent, although
it does imply something like "blessed by the Gods" which modern English
"happy" doesn't -- see Carcopino's still controversial bio of Sulla for a
reasonable analysis) happen, by mere coincidence, to have 5 letters each.
--
Alex Martelli - preferred email alex@am.sublink.org
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Subject: testing II
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:59:00 GMT
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Just because there's a mistake, doesnt' mean I have to take mistake in the
broadest and most obvious way. The mailer can't read errors? Recipient OK
but some or all recipients not receiving the mail? Mailer problem is problem
with mailer or me giving the mailer problem? Help-net is too sophisticated
for me. Fnordians, patient, flexible, only intermittently irascible, are the
ideal people to ask.
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From: amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli)
Subject: Re: Highly Signifigant Indeed.
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 07:42:09 GMT

NK8287@BROCK1P.BITNET (Nick A. Kraft) writes:

>Apoligies for the last message taht got garbaled beecause I was too lazy

Thut'z awrl ruight!

>"Highly Signifigant Indeed".  Was that refering to me?  Let me clarify

Probably referring to you through a double indirection, as I was the one
to label 555=3*37*5 as HSI.

>One might look at a string of circumstances and coincidence and say that
>because it happened in a certain pattern (ie fives) it is signifigant.  Not
>to say that all such circumstances are relevent, but it brings a certain
>relation of ideas to the important ones.

AND makes it funny to grep through the allegedly irrelevant ones, by making
them just as relevant, important, crucial, life-threatening, interesting
and challenging as you please.  Very Relevant to this New Ways Of Spelling
list.

>The case I used to illustrate is the fact that the file FNORD-L.MAIL that
>I recieved from LISTSERV telling me that my subscription to FNORD-L had been
>accepted had an id number of 555 in my mailbox.  555 being the
>fifth multiple of 111 (another important number to those who know).

>Coincidence (co- incidence)?
Synchronicity, since chronologically the 555 was a timing circuit one time
around.

>Let me introduce you to a new concept.  Say it with me now NNN-TRO-PEEE.

Sounds a lot like Saint Tropez to me.
--
Alex Martelli - preferred email alex@am.sublink.org
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:36:51 EDT
From:         LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      SIGH

meta-meta-meta:  Consistency is the hobgoblin of small penises.
meta-meta:  Whatever I say is, by definition, correct.

No objection to the occasional happy pill, toke of snort- but RAW seems
to suggest, particularly in his discussion of neophilia v. -phobia in
_The Illuminati Papers_, that neurological developments resulting in
constant bliss are something we should strive for.  I assert, contra
this, that A) When my life begins to suck too badly, a sense of
depression is an effective jump-start, and B) When the government begins
to slaughter wogs by the thousands with my dough, bliss is not a
terribly useful emotion, and C) Human emotions have developed a certain
amount of complexity for a variety of complex reasons, and dulling them
all into a state of perpetual bliss is likely to bring about evolutionary
suicide.  And that doesn't even touch on the sentimental reasons...
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:22:11 -0400
From:         LESSER@FAXON.COM
Subject:      to the tune of your "special" memory...

OH, REALLY THIS IS ALL TOO MUCH!

(nah, not really...)


whipped and lashed lush puppies
	rainbows... (what, no balloons?)
		watching games on transvestites

		ahh, just the thought of it all!

		...a tear trickles down my cheek


			STOP CRYING ON MY ASS!


(danielaaronfoss: if we are all television -- we are television when we wear
women's clothing, too)


it all reminds me of my childhood:

just friends and fucked-up family members
nurturing psychoses
thumping their favorite bibles
taking what they can
giving what they want to

ONE GREAT BIG HAPPY FAMILY!


(pass the virtual salt & pepper, please.)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:51:25 EDT
From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: PRC why?

              <MAILER@EMUVM1>
>A little brimstone goes a long way toward keeping the lower orders out
>of the Goody Bins, let me tell you.
>

too bad it's never kept them from posting here.

joe
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From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
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Subject: Re: PRC why?
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:13:16 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep8.132542.25493@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
> 
> Can you tell if any physical constants are irrational? Remember PI
> represents euclidian space, our space is not euclidian, not infinite,
> and not infinitly sub dividable.

What does "PI represents euclidean space" mean ? 
Give me a physical constant that is rational ? 

> Well atleast if the OCA comes to mass we can set up tables next to
> theres collecting petitions to outlaw bean eating in mass :-)
> -- 
> ------          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!               .
> \    /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .
>  \  /   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .
>   \/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .
>     

RKP
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:43:19 EDT
From:         "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Highly significant indeed?

What was your N? I'll bet I got a bigger N than you got. Sociologists always
have got the bigger N. Kid like you don't know the score, I mean the Z-score,
you don't know the Central Limit Theorem, even. What you call highly
significant I call n.s. And we aint even mentioned the strength of the
relationship, which is pitiful, usually, even where you show me p=0.01. Give
me an N of 1543 and p=0.001 and lemme think about it. People like you are a
dime a dozen, end up rattling markov chains.
DAF
From: moore7004@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: SIGH
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:22:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I don't think RAW is suggesting we become eternally blissed out; if so, I doubt
he would recommend substances like ye olde LSD.  More to the point is the
premise that in sumbunall situations, where previously we have been trained to
react with unfortunate amounts of anger, depression, what not, bliss might
actually be more appropriate (although, you know, define bliss and what not). 
This doesn't mean that when the government carries your children away, you
should smile and wave (although you might want to, you just never know).  But
maybe if more members of the gov't were training themselves to appreciate a
state of bliss, they'd know that children are the root of all evil and they'd
never come after them in the first place.
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From: amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli)
Subject: Re: SIGH
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:21:18 GMT

LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET writes:
	...
>More generally, does being a neophile imply welcoming *any* change,
>just because it is a change?

Yes.  No.  Maybe.  Hmmm, make that MU (hold the mayo).
--
Alex Martelli - preferred email alex@am.sublink.org
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From: amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli)
Subject: law of 5 (was Re: (no subject given))
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:28:34 GMT

NK8287@BROCK1P.BITNET (Nick A. Kraft) writes:

>In my private research I have found many references to many natural
>mathamatic phenomina in certain symbols.  Probably the most striking
>example would be the Cabala which relates many ideas numerically as well
>as by other relationships.

But the simplest example is surely the Law of 5.  Sure, Kallabah is more
powerful, as many ideas are attached to each number and every word
can be made into such a number, but that's simply unsporting, like
shooting the fox or getting atop a mountain by helicopter - what finesse,
instead, is to be found in unearthing the Five, sometimes deeply buried,
sometimes brashly exposed at the surface... 
--
Alex Martelli - preferred email alex@am.sublink.org
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:55:23 EDT
From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      no ludes

rollins: are you referring to my last post, "bon appetit"?
It got bounced back to me from the postmaster there (or
someplace) and I didn't think it went thru.  huzzah.

sorry, no ludes.  I just say no because I'm high on life.
that post was, for me, strictly a New Way of Thinking.

I'm so glad to hear that you're still my friend!  We have
that special kind of friendship, don't we?  The kind that
can never be broken.  It's just swell.  And I've missed your
puppies and rainbows.  Maybe you bring 'em over sometime
soon, eh?  We'll watch THE GAME on tv.

--sunshine boy
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Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:49:24 EDT
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:49:24 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      inhospitable to parasites

Subject: inhospitable to parasites



        Obscene political art, mass-produced, is a fine candidate for meaning
which cannot be fed upon by consumer capitalist advertising imagery. CCAI.
Cacca. Then again, they took what they could from rap, and easily left
out the obscenity. Forms must be invented which have, as their core of
appealing meaning, that which cannot be host to parasites.
        Theaters will never show strong political material--they fear boycott.
All large media are self-censoring, yet no other media are believed, or have
significant credibility. What alternative is there besides continuing
 alternative
efforts to inoculate increasing numbers against the hungry ghosts of
america. The Amateur Theorist.
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Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:52:23 EDT
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:52:23 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Henry Ford

	How many years ago was it now, that I worked at an assembly line in
Highlland Park. Old Dad was an engineer for Chrysler, so son in college
had summer jobs at the plants. Numbers--add up the digits of how many years
ago that was and you get 5. High...Fives. This could be the beginning of
slackynchronsonicslhdsitys.
From: mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU (MM)
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Subject: sigh
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:03:34 GMT
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	TV is way out front with new ways of thinking. They have life, and
are already moving out into the next world--near death experiences--white
light--air bag--some car. Computer operating system is displayed in a com-
mercial as a heart--without irony--that guy speaks while admiring people
look up at him. New ways of thinking is new ways to stop them. Postmodernism
is co-optation developed into a finer, more instantaneous art. All meaning
becomes instantly associated with bullshit commodities. Meaning is sought
and destroyed. Nothing new in that, only it's done so much better and so much
more ambitiously. Michael Jackson bought copyrights to all those Beatles tunes,
so now they will be used in commercials, and to some degree destroyued by
association. \
	Depression is rage that is not expressed. Happiness right now is the
worst possible goal to seek. Targets of rage and satire need to be located,
and somehow affected. How I don't know.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:30:56 PDT
From:         RIEHL@USCVM.BITNET
Subject:      stats bug

I am running rscs v3.1, using the stats package (SSTATS).  I have noticed
on occasion that rscs "forgets" to close the messager link file.  In other
words, the file should be closed hourly but, at a certain point, it stops
closing the file, until someone manually stops/starts the link.

Has anyone else seen this behavior?  I suspect it is more of a problem
with the messager type link, but I dunno.

jr
(john riehl)
(240 days and counting)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:16:03 EDT
From:         Trevor C Poole <A000@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      RSCS3.1 and VMNET

Just had RSCS V3.1 land on my desk.

It has a server included called Data Interchange Manager.

Anybody had experience with this ?

We are planning going Internet soon, still retaining membership
in Bitnet and will route all our stuff over the new Internet line.

For this I am told I will need the VMNET product, for which we will
have to pay(not much).

Question: Does this DIM thing allow me to drop my Columbia Mailer
and the need for VMNET ?

Our mail originates on a MUSIC system and comes out BSMTP from there.
So can I do Music-RSCS3.1-DIM-SMTP(Fal) and thence on to the network
and drop the need for Mailer and VMNET ?
Security a problem ?

Seems intriguing.

Trev
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:40:29 EST
From:         "William J. Forde" <FORDE@POLYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RSCS and TCPIP

Here at Poly we run our connection to CUNYVMV2 using VMNET.  We
are connected to LIUVAX using a 3705.  Is there a product that
can be run on a VAX that does the same thing as VMNET.  I need to
know because we which to get rid of the 3705.

    _________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:47:32 -0400
From:         gettes@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: RSCS and TCPIP
              15 Sep 92 13:40:29 -0500. <9209151743.AA09233@Princeton.EDU>

On Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:40:29 -0500 forde@polyvm.bitnet said:
> Here at Poly we run our connection to CUNYVMV2 using VMNET.  We
> are connected to LIUVAX using a 3705.  Is there a product that
> can be run on a VAX that does the same thing as VMNET.  I need to
> know because we which to get rid of the 3705.

If LIUVAX is already connected to the Internet in some way then, since
they already are running JNET, they need to contact Joiner about getting
the TCP/NJE driver for JNET.

/mrg
From: SYSWOMAN@PACEVM.BITNET (Laurie Johnson)
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Subject: Printing to RSCS printer, cross domain
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:14:25 GMT
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   We have two 4381 cpu's; a production machine, model R14, and a test
   machine model, Q13.  The 2 boxes are channel attached to a 3745 running
   NCP. The Q13 has no terminals attached to it so we logon to the Q13 cross
   domain (through the 3745) from the R14.  I would like to be able to direct
   printouts from the Q13 to a printer on the R14 controlled by RSCS v2r3.

   I would appreciate it if anyone can offer any info, tips or reference
   material which can help me figure this out.  I read the 1 page worth
   of info on cross domain support in the RSCS v2r3 Planning and Install
   Guide but it didn't help me much.

   Thanks ....

   Laurie Johnson
   Pace University
   Technical Support
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:26:39 PDT
From:         "Mike Friedman (510) 642-1410" <SPGMNF@UCBCMSA.BITNET>
Subject:      RSCS V3.1 Data Interchange Manager

I ordered the Data Interchange Manager (DIM), even though my expectations based
on the announcement letter were not high.  So far, I have just glanced through
the little manual that comes with the product, but its value appears to be not
much greater than I had thought it would be.

Basically, DIM is a server that recognizes PROFS and/or NOTE nicknames and maps
them into Internet addresses, builds BSMTP envelopes and forwards parcels to
your SMTP server.  As far as I can see, that's pretty much the extent of its
functionality.  The DIM product consists of the server code and an RSCS V3.1
exit package, which handles routing of mail to the DIM server.

Here at UCB, we have a locally-written server for our PROFS users that does
essentially the same thing.  Our NOTE command is highly modified to allow
sending directly via SMTP and some of us use RiceMail which also knows how to
deliver parcels to the Internet.  So, it doesn't appear that this product will
be particularly useful to us.

In sum:  DIM is just a server that acts as a mail gateway on your own system
in case your user agents don't know how to do Internet addressing or delivery.
This function has nothing to do with VMNET, which supports NJE services over a
TCP transport layer.  And DIM does not provide the kind of routing smarts
offered by the VM Mailer.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:39:02 PDT
From:         "Mike Friedman (510) 642-1410" <SPGMNF@UCBCMSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: V3.1 CRI and Q SYS LOADADD
              3 Sep 1992 09:40:21 EDT from <MAINT@BRCPRM.BITNET>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:40:21 EDT Mauricio Alvarenga said:
>
> I don't know about V3 ( I'm starting to test it now) but I had
>a exec that was having the same problem of loosing output lines
>with V2, what solved my problem was to use option IUCVMSG of wakeup.
>I don't have the exec any more so I can't test it with the command
>Q SYS LOADDD but I think that it will work OK. Anyway it will
>work for the other commands.
>
I could use (for example) Arty Ecock's IUCVTRAP, as I did with RSCS V1.3.
However, I specifically prefer using SMSG's, rather than MSG's, because I
don't like having to worry about other incoming messages (some people like
to communicate that way a lot, I've found!).

Since my last note, I have added some code to flush out backed up messages
and to minimize lost lines.  *However*, the 'Q SYS LOADADD' command still
refuses to return its first line of response via SMSG.  So far, I don't seem
to have this problem consistently with any other command, including others
that return only one line responses (not counting the '0001' terminator line).
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:18:08 -0400
From:         gettes@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: RSCS3.1 and VMNET
              08 Sep 92 12:16:03 -0400. <9209081618.AA12617@Princeton.EDU>

On Tue, 08 Sep 92 12:16:03 -0400 a000@ferris.bitnet said:
> Question: Does this DIM thing allow me to drop my Columbia Mailer
> and the need for VMNET ?

My understanding, based on what IBMers have posted here and what
I read in the announcements, DIM does NOT perform any VMNET like
capability. If you want to run NJE over a TCP/IP network on a VM
system, then VMNET is the only implementation (that I know of).
Additionally, DIM, the way I read it, is for PROFS mail. VM Mailer
has some of this stuff already there...whether or not Mailer's job is
sufficient, I do not know. Hope this helps....

/mrg
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:43:32 PDT
From:         RIEHL@USCVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Printing to RSCS printer, cross domain

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:14:25 EDT Laurie Johnson said:
>   We have two 4381 cpu's; a production machine, model R14, and a test
>   machine model, Q13.  The 2 boxes are channel attached to a 3745 running
>   NCP. The Q13 has no terminals attached to it so we logon to the Q13 cross
>   domain (through the 3745) from the R14.  I would like to be able to direct
>   printouts from the Q13 to a printer on the R14 controlled by RSCS v2r3.
>
>   I would appreciate it if anyone can offer any info, tips or reference
>   material which can help me figure this out.  I read the 1 page worth
>   of info on cross domain support in the RSCS v2r3 Planning and Install
>   Guide but it didn't help me much.
>

Since you log in via cross domain, you obviously have a vtam connection.
You didnt say whether or not you have a connection between your RSCSes
on each machine.  I assume this is the problem.  You will want to
establish a snanje link to each other.  This involves stuff that I only
scarcely remember at the moment.  there is building the mode tables in
vtam, defining the application in vtam, defining stuff in the xdomain
member, defining the link in rscs, and then starting the mess.

If you already have the link between the rscses, then you just need to
define a route statement in the q13 rscs.

happy computing,
jr
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