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From: jpittas@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.pittas)
Subject: High Density Drive in a Mac II
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:12:01 GMT


Yow!  My local Apple dealer still wants $500 to upgrade the
floppy drive in my Mac II to a FDHD drive.  I find this absurd
since I get can a used Classic or SE w/FDHD for not much more.
A friend of mine claims that I can put a high density drive
in my Mac II and it will work just fine without the chip
upgrade.  The only hitch is it can't act as a "Super Drive."
Can anyone confirm this?  Does anyone know of cheaper alternatives
(I know of AE's external drive for around $300, the only drawback
being you cant boot off of it).  Can I get the upgrade for less
than $500?  MacWorld lists the Mac II FDHD upgrade as one of the
most popular hardware purchases last month.  Are people shelling
out $500 for it?  Thanks in advance for any info!

John Pittas
AT&T Bell Labs
jjp@mink.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: PB FAQ. Re: "Lazy" processor in PowerBook?
In-reply-to: chj@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 11 Dec 92 21:46:50 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<1g9m78INNcee@agate.berkeley.edu> <chj.724110410@unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:53:37 EST

In article <chj.724110410@unixg.ubc.ca> chj@unixg.ubc.ca (Chris Harwood-Jones) writes:

[Words summed up nicely by:]
>My humble thanks to the quiet philanthropists who, rather than mailing me
>the answer of 
>
>	Dear Sir: RTFM
>
>said instead
>
>	User Manual, page 102.  Pretty intuitive, eh?
>

Seconded, thirded, and fourthed. I'd had the same question myself,
just didn't get around to asking it before Chris did. As one who's
been using computers since 1971 and Macs since 1986, I'm surprised and
disappointed that Apple screwed up this interface decision so badly
that a fairly knowledgeable user such as I was left in the dark. (I
*did* read the manual, but either I missed that page or I'd forgotten
it; and a Mac shouldn't hold you victim to your memory of where the
secret trap doors are.) I'm also disappointed, but not at all
surprised, that Chris's question prompted jerks around the world to
send him a snotty, arrogant, totally information-free response. Can't
wait until they try to ask *him* a question...

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)
Subject: Re: Quadra 700/Retrospect/Tape Backup Query
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:05:20 GMT

kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:

>While reading article <8121@lib.tmc.edu>, I noticed that
>drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) said the following:
> >If you have the Retro.SCSI INIT installed, throw it away. It's not compatible
> >with the SCSI Manager on the Quadra.

>Uh... News to me (and probably to Dantz for that matter).

>I have Retro.SCSI installed and Retrospect (v1.3) works like a charm for me.
>I'm even running 7.1.

>The system:
>	    Quadra 700, 20Mb Ram, 80Mb internal, System 7.1
>	    Suitcase 2.1.2, ATM 3.0, Pyro! 4.2 and a handful of other INITs
>	    Two external Quantum 105Mb drives
>	    External QIC-150 tape drive
>-- 
>| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed above
>| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, not those
>| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
>| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"

I'll second that.  I use Retro.SCSI with a Quadra 900, 28 MB RAM, 200 MB
internal, system 7.0.1, etc with an Exabyte 8200 8mm tape drive.  No
problems that I've seen.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: gadget@engin.umich.edu (Timothy David Sharpe)
Subject: Apple IIc to IIe upgrade, anyone?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:28:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world 

My friend has an Apple IIc, but has games for it designed for the IIe
which he cannot play.  Yes, I know this seems quite unnecessary and
even more primitive, but he does not want to part with his simple IIc
but instead asks to memory upgrade his computer to IIe status.  If
there is anyone with information on this possible upgrade, or has a IIe
sitting in a closet at home for which a donation can be made, it would
be so vastly appreciated, thanks.

Send all reponses to this account and I will forward them to him.

Tim
From: jkyser@netcom.com (Jeff Kyser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Can Apple 13" monitor do VGA?
Keywords: APPLE VGA
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:37:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am interested in using an Apple 13" RGB monitor as a VGA display for a TI
notebook.  
 
1)  Is this possible?  I know that some VGA monitors will work with the Mac
    but I haven't heard anything about Apple monitors working with VGA.
 
2)  How would I go about building a monitor cable?  The Apple monitor has a
    large 15 pin connector while the TI has a compact 15 pin connector.  
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Jeff
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,com.sys.mac.misc
From: bszeto@netcom.com (Bailey Szeto)
Subject: Re: 8.24GC, anyone?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:09:51 GMT

sevans@andy.bgsu.edu (Stephen W. Evans) writes:
: Under system 7.xn the 8*24GC sucks the big wonz in the performance department.
: Frankly it slows down any graphic operations in any mode other than 24bit and
: also tends to turn off the 68030's internal cacheing (although there is 
: a startup program called cachebit to turn this back on)

(rest deleted)

Is this using the old drivers? I saw that the dealer had three part numbers,
one for system 6, one for system 7, and one for system 7.01... Does the GC
work correctly if one has the System 7.01 version? 

Thanks for the info!
bszeto@netcom.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: golden@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Timothy A. Goldenburg)
Subject: Using Color on a Classic II
Keywords: color classic
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:06:38 GMT

Could someone please e-mail me some information on what hardware I need
to hook up a color monitor to my Classic II.  Thanx.

Tim
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:24605 comp.sys.mac.system:15375
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac IIci memory problems...
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:39:16 GMT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

> BTW, can we have this put into the Mac FAQ???

It is.

Marc.
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From: bell@apple.com (Mike Bell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Anybody know of any NuBus devlopment boards?
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:00:03 GMT
Reply-To: bell@apple.com (Mike Bell)
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.



Creative Solutions, In Maryland, sells a protoboard, complete with sample rom 
code and tools. It is the ONLY way to go for people doing their first NUBUS 
board for the Mac (In MY PERSONAL OPINION --i.e. not an Apple opinion).



Mike


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Mike Bell										     	       	      email: bell@apple.com
Senior Engineer
68000 High Performance Software Group
MS 60-CS
Apple Computer, Inc.
20525 Mariani Ave.
Cupertino, CA 95014

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:12:34 GMT

In article <BzB9x9.A6o@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.012444.2070@infonode.ingr.com> bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
>>jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
>>
>>The windows 3.1 file manager lets you delete an entire directory tree.
>>Just select the directory, hit the 'delete' key, and hit the "yes to all"
>>button in the dialog that pops up.  You can also move a directory and all
>>of its subdirectories by dragging the directory name to another place in
>>the tree.  If you just want to delete all the files in the directory,
>>select the first one, hold down shift, and select the last one.  Then
>>hit the 'delete' key and click "yes to all".  The 'delete' key is not 
>>as cute as the trash can, but it is easy to use and obvious to anyone 
>>who can read.
>Is batch deletion handled better than in Windows 3.0? I couldn't 
>believe how slow that was, just because the display was being updated
>after each deletion; a silly feature, since my eyes could not 
>detect which file had just gone anyway.
>This is handled much better by the Trashcan.
>>
>>ncd vx
>>rm *.gif
>>
>>That is really fast and easy.

Sorry to pick up such an interesting topic so late. :)

According to PC Mag I read long time ago, Wins 3.1's batch deleting is
much improved over Wins 3.0's, i.e. display is not updated after each
deletion. Also there are a bunch of Trashcan-like utilities available
for Wins now. In fact, if you like, you may have 5 or 6 trashcans or
toilets floating on the desktop. :)

But who needs trashcan or toilet for Wins? I don't even use File Manager
at all. I am a die-hard command-line lover. Deleting a tree of directories?
It's easily handled under 4DOS, or a bunch of free DOS utilities can do it.
I only wish I can find some decent command-line interface like xterm
working under Wins so that I can kick Program Manager once for all.

The least thing I'd like to see is PC becomes too Mac-like.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:24330 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33420
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
From: david@datamark.co.nz (David Rowland)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:58:35 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <BzAELM.It2@world.std.com> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:
>
>I don't know.  Perhaps your WordPerfect isn't set up to live on a server?
>Apple has some guidelines for this but I wouldn't expect a PC company
>like WordPerfect corp to do Mac applications well.  It is possible to
>write network friendly apps on the Mac.
>

I wonder if that is the reason why one of the most sold word
processors and spreads for the mac was written by the same company
that wrote the MSDOS operating system for IBM compatibles.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: Powerbook 160/180 to VGA pinout needed (ANSWER)
Organization: The Ohio State University
 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:43:03 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:29:37 GMT

In article <BzAELM.It2@world.std.com> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:

>So, because it is different than the Windows default, it is no good?  This
>leads back to the original point.  The Mac has a different way of doing
>things, perhaps not better or worse than windows, but you can't reasonably
>complain that the Mac is inferior because it does things different from
>windows.

Well, you might say the reverse is true too. I keep hearing Mac 
users saying that Windows has an inferior desktop without actually
offering any proof. I use and support both platforms a lot (actually
a lot more Mac than Windows) and have at least some experience with
what I'm talking about.

I'm simply listing what I find are annoying points of the Mac desk-
top. There are quite a few more,  like not being able to size win-
dows from any corner or edge, which is really needed since the Mac 
doesn't minimize windows or uses mini-desktops for apps. Yes, I know,
theres always a third party init that lets me do that but since I 
can't find it on any of the machines I have to use which don't belong
to me I don't have much chance of using it do I.





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From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:08:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Mf_Pcfi00Vp=8UNyZG
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


chyang@panthro.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>         For notebooks, you could include power management, by varing the 
> speed of the processor - to slow down the clock speed when the processor
> sits idle.  But using DEC Alpha in notebooks would be an overkill, I agree.

For you, maybe, but I'd just *love* to be able to carry around a
notebook with that much power run X on it, and compile my fortran
programs in it, etc., etc. so i could take my work with me...


-- faisal jawdat                  | "Certainly the game is rigged.
email: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu       | Don't let that stop you;
if mail handler barfs             | if you don't bet, you can't win." 
fj05@andrew.cmu.edu               |        -Lazarus Long
From: brad@alpha.sunquest.com (Bradford D. Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: LWII with SCSI ports
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:40:00 GMT
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems, Tucson AZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

My last transmission became confused so I am re-issuing.

Has anyone any experience with a LW II printer that has 2 SCSI 
ports on the back?  There is an additional port that has the ADB 
symbol above it.

My question really amounts to this:  Is this other port really 
an ADB port or is it a LocalTalk port?  The printer is in another 
city so I am unable to take a close look at it.

Thanks for your responses,
Brad@alpha.sunquest.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: Re: PB 160/180 Express Modem
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.172458.22500@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnowak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joe Nowak) writes:
|> 
|> 1.  Does anyone have any idea when it is set to ship?  The local retailers
|>     in Ohio do not have it yet.

Earliest:   January 1993
Realistic:  Early February 1993


|> 2.  [deleted]
|>     modem is used in the background, it slows down foreground tasks.  My
|>     question is, is this offloading of tasks also the implementation on the 
|>     180 / 160 version.  Obviously it is preferable from a performance stand-
|>     point for the modem not to do this.

Yes, the PowerBook Express Modem for the 160/180 uses the same technology as
the one for the Duos. This keeps costs down, and it does slow the mac. The
speed is comparable to that of a normal Mac using AppleTalk Remote Access. And
forget about doing anything significant in the background.

|> 3.  Any other suggestions for internal modems for the PB 160?  I'd like send 
|>     and receive fax and speeds above 2400 for data would be nice.

Check out the PSI and GlobalVillage modems.


Rajiv Manglani
rajiv@athena.mit.edu
From: jonathan.naizer@u2u.lonestar.org (Jonathan Naizer) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 4X8 SIMMS
Date: 9 Dec 92 11:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: USER-TO-USER PCBoard (214)492-6565 (USR DS v32bis)
Reply-To: jonathan.naizer@u2u.lonestar.org (Jonathan Naizer) 

Well - the person I sent these to decided she didn't want them after all...
SO,,, I have a 4 NEW 4x8MB SIMM Modules for sale.
These will work in various MACs, Amigas, and Laser printers

       4MBx8 70ns      $125 ea. 
                    or $500 for all
                        OR I'll take $475 for all if you prepay!!!!  

I'm tired of sending out goods COD and then have the person decide 
they don't want what they ordered.

If interested call 214-579-5820.
Or send $475 to
Jonathan Naizer
2701 E. Grauwyler
Irving, TX 75051

First $475 buys!!!
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From: davisson@milton.u.washington.edu (Gordon Davisson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac+ and 2-chip SIMMs
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:07:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec20.020742.8427
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec18.192906.438@otago.ac.nz> anadig@otago.ac.nz writes:
>I understand that 2-chip 1M SIMMs won't work in a Mac Plus. Or an SE, perhaps.
>Well-known fact. You need 8-chip SIMMs.
>
>What I can't figure out is why.

The following is all hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt: the Mac
Plus, SE, II, and IIx were all designed before the specs for 4 megabit
chips (the ones used on 2-chip 1MByte and 8-chip 4MByte SIMMs) were set,
and the 4Mb chips wound up containing a surprise: test mode.  I'm not
sure exactly what triggers test mode (some combination of bus signals
that didn't mean anything to the 1Mb chips), but it's something the
older Macs can do by accident.  When this happens the memory goes off
into la-la land, and the Mac crashes.

There are SIMMs that use the 4Mb chips that'll work on older Macs; they
have PALs that filter the control signals to make sure test mode never
gets triggered.
                                                                           
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Gordon Davisson
Westwind Computing	(206) 632-8141
4518 University Way NE, Suite 311, Seattle WA 98105
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: Re: PB 160/180 Express Modem
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:07:43 GMT

In article <618@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes:
|> 
|>  I think both the Duo and 160/180 versions rely on the CPU, that's
|> how apple was able to make 'em so cheap.  If anyone has any info
|> on a third party for the Duo, send me e-mail!
|> 

Currently, there are no internal modems for the PowerBook Duos shipping.

Rajiv
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: MiniDock status?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:51:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec18.155649.5319@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf) writes:
>The latest MacWarehouse catalog (received around 12-12-92) had the Powerlink 
>Desklink for $499.  I didn't realize that this didn't have the modem port; but 
>I guess if you wanted to use the modem you could just unplug the port, eh?

Bob:

  I just got a copy of the MacWarehouse catalog this week (volume 16.0,
has a red stripe with the words "497 Products Under $39.93" across the
front) and I can't find the DeskNet in it.  What page are you looking
at?  I did find it in the MacConnection catalog (January '93 p 39) for
$609, but would rather get it at $499!

                                      -- Nick



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From: dbenson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David "Network Man" Benson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Cleaning keyboards
Summary: how to clean keyboards
Keywords: keyboards
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:40:05 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

I manage a network of Macs used in a newspaper production environment.
The systems are used constantly by different people all day. As a result
the keyboards get pretty dirty. Is there a way of pulling the keys off
(like on an IBM PC) to clean them effectively? What tools are necessary?
Currently I use windex and paper towels (after disconnecting the
keyboard of course...)

David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Cleaning keyboards
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:38:11 GMT

In article <BzFz1E.GM0@world.std.com>, kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L
Dickey) wrote:

> down, and then you can brush out the collected dust and crud in/around the
> circuit board...just use common sense here (i.e. don't hose down the

I find that a can of compressed air will do a good job of blowing the
dust & crud that builds up. Works pretty well with getting the dust
out of modular macs, too.

James
From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: ESDI => SCSI Adapter
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:46:04 GMT
Organization: CCD - E4 - Drexel University

In article <1992Dec18.165803.25497@novell.com>, damurphy@wc.novell.com (Duane Murphy) writes:
> 
> In article  Stuart R. Harper, stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu writes:
> > It sounds like the SCSI bus isn't terminating properly. First check the 
> >adapter and see if it allows you to switch in the termination, if it
> does, 
> >then turn it on and try the drive.
> > Alternatly, you can buy an "inline" terminator, that you will have to
> >place on the SCSI cable between the computer and the adapter.
> 
> Thanks for the idea.

Don't mention it, that's what the Net is for.  ;-)

Now for your individual points...
> Here are some ideas that I thought of.  Could any of these cause the 
> problem:
> 1. Double termination.  Could an external and an internal terminator 
> cause this problem?
>
> 2. Termination on the internal Apple drive.  Do I need to do anything to 
> the Apple drive inside the Mac?

The SCSI bus requires a terminator on each end of the bus. With one device,
one terminator is needed. With two devices, you need two terminators. With
more than 2 device you need a terminator on the devices at the physical ends
of the bus. If you don't have enough terminators, devices on the bus will be
"invisible" to the mac.
 
> 3. Address collision.  Could this happen if both the internal and 
> external drive were on the same SCSI address?

If there was a simple address collision then, in my experience, one or the
other devices will be "visible" and the other will not appear.