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From: u0a38@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (LJ Barton)
Subject: Interminable whinings (Repost of NIN and...)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:18:15 WET
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HIGH THERE...
	     For once I feel motivated to writing to this group rather
than just reading it.

   For weeks now people have been writing in to slag off anyone who
dares to admit to liking NIN...Reznor's a spoilt rich kid...He doesn't 
have anything to say, he's just whining etc., etc., yawn, etc.

   Who gives a fuck who Reznor is, where he comes from, whether he is
incredibly subtle and profound, or whether he IS just whining ??? 

   People listen to music because it resonates with something in THEM.
If a piece, or style, of music doesn't resonate they don't like it...so
they don't listen to it...If it DOES they DO. 

   That's IT !

   It doesn't matter why someone does or doesn't like NIN...they just
DO or they DON'T. It doesn't matter how good the music is, how crap the
lyrics, they still like it and flaming them for their taste isn't going
to change it one iota. SOME people like Bon Jovi, for God's sake !!! Or
even Cabaret Voltaire (Yeuch) or Dead Can Dance (Yawn). Does my slagging
those groups off make YOU stop liking them ?

   So get off everyone's backs !!! It's pointless...It doesn't change
anyone's musical taste and all it does is result in general bitchiness
(I won't credit this sort of posting with the term 'nasty', because I
LIKE nasty...bitchy just has no redeeming qualities...the Bananarama of
nasty), and endless zero-semantic-content postings to wade through in
the hope of finding something new.

   So let's just get on with something else and leave those people who
like NIN to talk about it if they want to.


			Cheers,
				Lol

--

Freedom is wearing your coat in the rain, even if your mother says you should.
From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Nin
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:11:20 GMT
 <1992Nov18.233309.24940@rtsg.mot.com>  <Bxyzzr.CHB@nic.umass.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <Bxyzzr.CHB@nic.umass.edu>
torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox) writes:

> 	With regard to the original poster:
> 		Get a fucking clue.

With regard to those who followed up:
 Get a fucking clue.

Can't you recognize sarcasm without seeing a million :-)s?

The original poster was just baiting you.  It worked.

 - nathan
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru)
Subject: NIN hidden tracks- names?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:05:13 GMT

guru sez:
	a friend of mine has the CD of "Broken" and knows about the extra tracks
	hidden at the end.		

	Thing is, he doesn't know what they're called- can anyone help?
-- 
      /~~~) /   / /~~~) /   /   
     (___/ (___/ /     (___/   These mind-expanding drugs have given me so much
        /                      imagination, I'm hallucinating grey vividly....
   (___/ mei172@cch.cov.ac.uk                       Victor Lewis-Smith
From: JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Surely, "With Sympathy" is NOT Ministry !
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:12:02 GMT
 <1992Nov19.222454.422@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <By0qEw.GJs@wrs.com>
Organization: Penn State University

I would like to comment on the thing going around about Al doing drugs.  I read
an interview that he did with Dirt Magazine that he was heavy into drugs, but
he has quit 'cause he figured if he kept it up, he would never see is 7 year
old daughter graduate from high school.  I have not yet figured out if this is
just hype or if Al is a real nice dude who loves his daughter.  I would like to
think that he is a nice dude.  Of course that might just be me wanting to think
the best of everyone.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I just thought I'd inform everyone of
my discovery.

Jill
From: jani.patokallio%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Jani Patokallio) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: SP mailing list
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: jani.patokallio%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Jani Patokallio) 

A while ago, somebody posted something mentioning a Skinny Puppy mailing list.
Unfortunately, a day later my site's rather unstable feed stopped once again
and by the time I started getting news again, there wasn't even a peep
about it left.  Thus, I would greatly appreciate it if somebody
could mail me the address and info about it (or even if such a thing exists
at all).  Email is preferred since it usually gets through and because
I don't always have the time to read RMI.  Thanks.

--
Jani Patokallio                  |  "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance,
acc1bbs!jani.patokallio@ssr.com  |   baffle 'em with bullshit." -Anonymous

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: lpm@fert2.fe.psu.edu (Lee Miller/8192;PennState-Fayette)
Subject: Re: Ministry discog......HELP
Organization: PennState - Fayette Campus Computer Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.160408.1623@wam.umd.edu> mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.005112.27209@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> tpb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TONY PATRICK BLAKE) writes:
>>
>>    I have the following Ministry albums, and would like to know what I am
>>Missing.
>>
>>    With Sympathy
>>    Twitch
>>    Land....
>>    ....Live
>>    Mind....
>>    Psalm 69
>>
>     You're missing the collection of early (81-84) 12" singles,
>     which includes "Halloween" and "Cold Life" among others.
> 

Btw the collection in case you couldn't guess is called "12 inch singles"

							   -Lee
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: bchang@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Chang)
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:23:23 GMT


i don't know anyone who really sounds like Skinny Puppy at all.  I've
noticed that listening to "Download" before going to sleep gives me odd
dreams.  Godflesh has a song on Slavestate that sounds kind of similar.  

ben
From: cse264ce@cs.ucsd.edu (....What Is?....)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ministry video
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:24:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. San Diego -- 1991 'Wannabe Real College' finalist

I'm sure this has been posted before, but can someone ID all the people
in "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up"?

I recognize Al and Paul, and someone told me that's Nivek Ogre with
the "FUCK ART LET'S KILL" shirt, and Jello does the flag pledge, but
I'm lost on everyone else.  Who is:

The drummer wearing a tie
The drummer that looks like Lawnmower Man
The cowboy guitarist
The other guitarist you see little of, a large guy with curly hair
The guy who sings on "So What"
The guy with the kneepads who sings on "Thieves"

...did I miss anyone?  I'm going to see them at the O'Brien Pavillion
in San Diego, CA on December 29th (general admission!!!!!!) and would
like to know who the heck is on stage.

Thanks,

Steve Boswell
whatis@ucsd.edu
"The country, right now, it wants to be soothed"   --Lard
From: v130r92d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark R Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN hidden tracks- names?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1ej1mlINNeer@menudo.uh.edu>, st1qb@Jane.UH.EDU writes...
>In article <By0Eop.GHs@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru) writes:
>>guru sez:
>>	a friend of mine has the CD of "Broken" and knows about the extra tracks
>>	hidden at the end.		
>>
>>	Thing is, he doesn't know what they're called- can anyone help?
>>-- 
>I dont have the CD in front of me but the names of the tracks are on the
>CD. Yes, I own it....so flame me.  But anyway, if my memory is correct 
>they are on the back or on one of the flaps in very small print.  Although
>they are on tracks 98 and 99 they are listed as track 7 and 8 (if i recall) 
>in very small print, by the copyright bs.  I know one is a mix of SUCK
>from Pigface.
> 
>later.... Dave
>st1qb@jetson.uh.edu


The other one is "Physical" by Adam Ant.

B
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: bmyers@well.sf.ca.us (Bryan L. Myers)
Subject: pop-industrial versus true Industrial
Summary: State your own opinions, even Androgens !
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:41:06 GMT


h
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

* Einsturzende Neubauten is NOT pop-industrial (e.g., NE, NIN, DW).
* Einsturzende Neubauten is genuine Industrial (e.g., TG, SP, M).
* So, listen to EN and you will be saved !

Once upon a time using a now out-dated technology known as USENET
an infamous hacker/Industrial-head/warrior known as TechnoThor
made the above statement for distribution to the masses.  
TechnoThor was NOT insulting any other warrior's tastes only
spreading the word of his Gods.  TechnoThor did NOT state that any
one who listened to pop-industrial was an Androgen or did not have
the right to post on RMI (an obscure division of USENET). However,
many of the masses misunderstood the message.  So to prevent this 
from continuing to happen, we tell this story over and over and 
over and over and over ...

MORAL:  State your own opinions.	
        Do not attack those of your opponents.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

You never see me because I'm always alone.
I only kill to know I'm alive.
So what ? 
You're still allowed to post on RMI.
(Unless you're an Androgen who listens to pop-industrial !)
TechnoThor did not write that !  TechnoLoki did !  Honest !
From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Stein/Einsturzende Neubauten
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:52:19 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

bmyers@well.sf.ca.us (Bryan L. Myers) writes:

> 
> I've seen that Stein recording in the underground stores; but,
> have hesitated on buying it because I've no idea what it's like.
> Has anyone heard Stein's "Steinzeit" ?
> 
> Einsturzende Neubauten is NOT pop-industrial (e.g., NE, NIN, DW).
> Einsturzende Neubauten is genuine Industrial (e.g., TG, SP, M).
> So, listen to EN and you will be saved !

This kind of sillyness has gone on for an incredibly long time... why
dont we just cut the bullshit and split this fucking group up already?

I propose rec.music.industrial.noise for what you guys xenophobically
call "der blackenboarden fork scratchen".

Anyone wanna do this? Obviously shutting this group down wont work, tho
its way out of line with the charter. (If we've already had this
discussion, sorry I wasnt around, I was enjoying other parts of the
internet, and my hardrive space requires that I dont keep RMI posts
festering. You have _NO_IDEA_ how gorgeous moderated groups are.)

I love you Matt. I miss you. My sigismundo balsamo account is dead.
Bitch.

/kc

Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
-----------                                                        -----------
"It's stupid, it's idiotic, it's inane, it isn't art, it's dumb, it's a ripoff
of American pop culture, and we live in a sad society that tolrates it."
                                                      - NIMROD
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: string@wrs.com (String)
Subject: Re: Surely, "With Sympathy" is NOT Ministry !
Organization: x.x
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:18:31 GMT

>
>got enough fingers to count'em my dear?
>but depends on what you call drugs....
>give me a hint and I will give you some...
>he got Ogre fucked and shooting heroin during Rabies.... 

What?!?
I thought you we're a big fan of Ogre. And here you are telling us that he
is too weak, too gullible, too pathetic, to make up his own mind about
doing drugs. 

>an offering of love
>from flesh chamber9

Don't you mean 'an offering of ignorance and blame' ?
Xref: sparky rec.music.industrial:13469 rec.music.misc:27623 alt.music.alternative:15606
From: u6066061@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: TACK>>HEAD (was Re: REVIEW: Keith LeBlanc: Time Traveller)y
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:42:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

> 
> There is one other disc I can think of off the top of my head...
> 
> It is called "En Concert"...it is a post-Gary Clail live album..it is a French
> import....Mostly instrumental...great stuff...
> 
> 
> Later.
> -justin
> 
Is that the disc with the glow-in-the-dark moon on the cover?  I got the
impression when i bought it that 'En concert' is a Bootleg CD and/or a 
limited Edition...         

check ya


drew.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Ugent request for Laibach info!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:33:26 GMT

Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
hours...)

Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?

Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.

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From: Mark.Wagner@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Mark Wagner)
Sender: FredGate@p0.f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Fla'S The Blade
Date: 17 Nov 92  00:00:00 EST

===========================================================================
 BBS: NineJackNine
  To: ALL                           Recvd: NO
Subj: FLA's The Blade                Conf: (1) U_Rec_Musi
___------------------------------------------------------------------------
OHM>Keywords:

OHM>I bougth front line assemblys "the blade" on friday ( 8 track CD ).

OHM>Is "the blade" (the song) lifted from another album,
OHM>or is this an (mini-) album on its own?

OHM>Anyway, it was a bit ( too much ?) "housey".
OHM>Nearly InterMIX in places.

OHM>Is this FLA's new direction?

My cd single only has four tracks...how odd.

I have a theory about "the blade".  The important facts are:

(1) The remixes are technorave-type.
(2) Sample A: "I don't think that the real violence has even started
    yet."
(3) Sample B: "Any means neccessary for survival."
(4) Sample C: "Stick 'em up motherfucker, this is a hold up."

My theory is that "the blade" is a comment about rave.

It does "violence" to music, and the worst is yet to come--perhaps one
note repeated ad infinitum.  (Note: this is not my view--I like rave
somewhat.)  Whence sample A.

And the explantion for fact (1)?  FLA, not making enough money, is
willing to cash in on the latest: rave.  Whence sample B.  But, they
realize that whoever buys "the blade" is being ripped-off. Whence sample
C.

Of course, my theory only explains facts (1) - (4).  There are other
relavant facts that would be important in evaluating my theory:

(1) What the song is about?  I can't understand the damn lyrics!
(2) FLA may not be in financial crisis.

My reasons for saying FLA might be in financial crisis are two fold:

(1) FLA appeals to a very small segment of the "market" (us !).  Most
people just can't handle such intense music.

(2) In an interview I read with Bill Leeb, he said that the concert show
he would like to put on would cost a large amount of money.  Maybe he
broke the bank with the current tour.

If my theory is true, it is unfortunate, for "the blade" remixes are not
rave enough to please rave-heads and not industrial enough to please
FLAers.  The result: little play (dj or air).

mark wagner

p. s. I released this message into the bitsream on 11-17-92.  Would
somebody please email me at wagner@macc.wisc.edu when they read it?

 * OLX 2.2 * Chicken heads are the chief food of captive alligators.
 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Voice Distortion?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:55:13 GMT

In article <Nov21.043905.40381@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> joe@lamar.ColoSta
e.EDU (Question Authority) writes:
>
>	I am feeling the need for some really cool voice distortion on my radio
show, so my ? is this: What is the best way to do it?  Best brand of f/x 
ox? etc...	
>
>	Any help would be way cool,
>
>		 Thanx, 
>
>		  jOe...
>
>		        
>
>			
>				"I only hurt the ones I love."
>
>					   -- Madonna


No nee dto spend so much money on f/x. Just soak your microphone in H2O
for a few minutes or hook it up to a 9V battery and continually connect
and idsconnect it to get a nicely roasted cone. Stop when a nice smell
emerges from the microphone. A really nice effect is obtained especially
if one uses an very expensive microphone. Or perhpas to spare your
microphone, yell and scream all day or chug whiskey...

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: cmoore@lab7.smcm.edu (Christopher Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Al, Commercial manipulation, and attitude
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:27:52 GMT

In article <Bxs6tw.3Es@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard  
Martin) writes:
> 
> Is it such a shock that Al did 'With Sympathy'  He even toured with
> Culture Club to promote it. Ever since the beginning he has admitted to
> trying to manipulate the record industry and the general public for  
money
> to do 'his own thang'.  
> When techno was in vogue, he was techno.  Make some cash off the masses
> that would follow him.  You see metallica get some hits and you can  
expect
> Al to get a little more harsh so he can keep his friends dishin' out  
dough
> for his albums.  He no different than, say, Madonna (boy, will I get
> flamed for that one). 
> I know I will regret saying it, but he has the same attitude Ross Perot
> does. He just wants people to love him.  Actually quite funny to see the
> number of people atthe highly commercial LollapaLOSER with their highly
> commercial T-shirts (how much did some people pay?!?!). I listen to AL  
as
> much as the next guy (beginning with 'With Sympathy' but I think people
> got to realize he's just out to make a buck like 99.99999% (I just made  
up
> that number) of the rest of the world. Just because a guy has an  
attitude
> doesn't mean you can't like the music, any music.
> 
> I think it is time for some of us to get off our high horse. 
> 
> 
> Just a thought......
> 
> R. Martin
> Noise.
hey since when has metallica ever used a vox or a drum machine or  
keyboards or sampling? i don't quite think al is just trying to copy  
everyone else's projects.  techno is as popular now as it was then. if al  
was really into getting mass approval, he'd still be releasing "with  
sympathy" type albums.  instead of making some money with the "metallica  
crowd", he'd be making vast amounts of money with the depeche mode-erasure  
scene.  that doesn't quite sound like madonna.  if he were in it just to  
make a buck, he'd be releasing 100% top forty drivel. but i agree that the  
music is enjoyable despite any attitude the band may project.
c.morpheus
From: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se (J|rgen B|rjesson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Kraftwerk: The Model, retrospective 1976-78
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se (J|rgen B|rjesson)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

Went to a local recordstore yesterday and found a Kraftwerk compilation called "The Model: Retrospective 1976-1978". Since I've never heard of this before could someone please fill me in on this one. Is it a bootleg?  Are the tunes remixed in any way? Is it worth buying? Etc.

BTW does a Kraftwerk mailing list exist?

/Jorgen Borjesson

E-mail: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se

"It's more fun to compute"
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: rec.music.noise??????
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Keywords: just checking
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:16:45 GMT


 I'm sort of overwhelmed by the familiarity with Cage on Usenet. Did that
old 4'33" thread cause this? Or are myexpectations of the typical netter
too low or is this just an extraordinary group... Wait, howmany crossposts
were there? More than just rec.music.industrial? Now how many realised how
one might have called Cage Crumb? (Even though I find their works to be
vastly different, at least aesthetically. OK, not VAST, but certainly
different...)(

St. Anthony (Doing his part to keep the noise level up...)

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          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: KMFDM
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:10:36 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <!pbwHcsm=a@atlantis.psu.edu>, lpm@fert2.fe.psu.edu (Lee Miller/8192;PennState-Fayette) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.150302.27545@wam.umd.edu> mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G) writes:
>>>What does KMFDM stand for...if it's an acronym.
>>
>>I believe it's "Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode" if I'm not mistaken....
>
No, I think it's "Kill Mother Fucking Dance Music" if I'm not mistaken....





Or how 'bout you...what can you make up.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Crumb's 4'33"
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Crumb's 4'33"
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:56:29 GMT


 Funny how a simple error spawned an entertaining thread...

St. Anthony

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          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
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