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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Putting words into my mouth?
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:55:25 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <Btv9Iu.C31.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article<3662@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>>I am only stating the injustices
and dehumanization on the Palestinians by Kuwaitis after the War,
which you continue to deny because of your pride and arrogance.
>
>I am willing to take the rest to e-mail, but I can't let this pass.

Okay.  And I won't either :)
 
>I defy you to find anywhere I have denied what happened to 
>Palestinians after the Gulf war.

You are defying me now!  :-)  :)  Do you admit to the
injustice of expelling so many hundreds of thousands of
innocent Palestinians after the War?  Do you admit to the
executions of Palestinian journalists after the War?  Or
to being denied final wages?

Do you think your government was justified in doing so?

Anisa

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id friedman)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:34:31 GMT

In article <25149@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.095753.307@rs.com> horen@rs.com writes:
>=>
>=>The US trade boycotts against Cuba and Vietnam are *strictly* between
>=>the US and Cuba/Vietnam. The US has *never* said that it would not
>=>trade with *other* countries which do trade with Cuba/Vietnam.
>
>There you go again. The US has said that ships doing business with Cuba
>are barred from the US.
>
 Has the US said that if my Japanese company does business with Cuba, it
 won't do any business with the U.S?

 I don't think so.



>
>
>-- 
>==================================================================
>-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
>==================================================================

Ishay
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Putting words into my mouth?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:11:17 GMT

In article <3662@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>I am only stating the injustices
>and dehumanization on the Palestinians by Kuwaitis after the War,
>which you continue to deny because of your pride and arrogance.

I am willing to take the rest to e-mail, but I can't let this pass.
I defy you to find anywhere I have denied what happened to 
Palestinians after the Gulf war.

>Afwan -
>
>Anisa
>


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.bizarre
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Subject: Re: Speaking Of 'alt.subhuman,'...
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:14:18 GMT


IN TALK.POLITICS.MIDEAST, han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) says:

> hasan.b.mutlu -- anagram
>**************************
>  alt.subhuman
>************************************

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Here it is Anisa, for the third time in three days 
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:01:41 GMT

In article <3662@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <Btr5Kv.Dz4.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>In article <3651@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>
>>>Prove it with facts and figures, not just words.
>>
>>Refer to my ealier response to you in this regard.  What do
>>you have to say to it?  Probably nothing.  Like your
>>support for a murderer, you'll probably ignore it now
>>that you are faced with facts.
>
>What earlier response?  Since you insist on stating that Kuwait
>has given so charitably to all the other Arab and Islamic states,
>I wanted you to support that by giving me a small compilation of
>statistics to support your claims.  But that might be too much to
>ask for - after all, you probably don't know - you aren't a
>diplomat or representative of the Kuwaiti government.

You don't get off that easily.  In the last three days I've posted
these stats twice.  I've posted these states an uncountable number of
times before responding to similiar charges.  Where have you been?

This comes from the Central Bank of Kuwait.  


          Official Foreign Assistance by Kuwait
                 to Third World Countries


                      1984     1985     1986     1987     1988
                      ----     ----     ----     ----     ----
Official Foreign
Assistance            862      868      983      337      534
(Million KD)

GDP                   6424.6   6151.0   6675.9   6406.1   6633.1
(Million KD)

Aid as % of GDP       13.4%    14.1%    14.7%    5.3%     8.1%


----------------------------------------------------------------

Aid as % of GDP (average for 5 years): 11.12%

!!! This does *not* include soft loans for project financing in
third world countries by the Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic 
Development (KFAED). !!!

This is one of the highest rates of aid in the world (even among 
industrialized nations).

>
>Afwan -
>
>Anisa
>


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Voice: +1 412 268 3043                   Carnegie-Mellon University
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: RABIN MEETING
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:50:33 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <BtLEI5.Fp3.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.121821.16407@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>
>>Did I miss something somewhere.  Could anyone tell me more about the
election results?  Was the Kuwaiti royal family re-elected?  By what 
margin?
>
>1. Kuwait is aconstitutional monarchy, and has been one for about thirty years.  
Kuwait is a *nominal* constitutional monarchy.

>Like Britain and the inumerable other similiar monarchies, the monarch is not
up 
>for election.

I guess people should not be surprised at this comparison.  After all, it
all goes back to 1899 when Kuwait was officially a protectorate state under
the U.K.  In return, 'Sheikh' Mubarak agreed to accept British political
advisers and to not have dealings with other foreign governments.  In this
way, Kuwait became an autonomous state under British protection and therefore,
followed their form of government and 'democracy'.
 
>  There was an active free press and national assembly in all but
>the period between '86 and the invasion.  Once post-liberation martial law 
>was lifted, many restrictions on the press were lifted.

According to my notes, the National Assembly is the only elected legislature
and functions only as a forum for debate on government policies.  The
Assembly, and relatively free press allowed a *measure* of public discussion.
In addition, freedom is highly restricted for non-Kuwaiti nationals, who
may *not* vote *or* hold civil service jobs.  Political parties are prohibited
in addition to suffrage being exclusively for adult males - resident before
1920 and their *male descendents*.  Eligible voters are 8.3% of citizenry.
 
>2. Elections are scheduled for October.  Not having any psychic abilities 
>myself, I don't think I could provide you with any information on the outcome.

Given the above facts, I don't think you need to be a psychic, or genius for
that matter, to know what the outcome is going to be.

Anisa

	"Men have been eluded by the female psyche
	 since the beginning of time."
				The Butcher's Wife
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:54:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.181600.9086@colorado.edu>, perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric
S. Perlman) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug24.142951.19947@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
|>writes:
|>>In article <1992Aug20.160327.5018@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
|>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
|>>
|>>|>>>If Rabin was correct in what he said last week on MCcneil Lehrer news
|>>|>>>hour that he is prepared to offer the Palestininas a first step self
|>>|>>>rule and elections on the next peace talks, it would be a good time
|>>|>>>to end of boycott. I would prefer to see a final solution before the
|>>|>>>end of the boycott.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>OK fine.  It should however be pointed out that the boycott (including
|>>|>>the secondary boycott) is well-nigh illegal under international law.
|>>|>>
|>>|>
|>>|>International Law? This is a joke. If there is any law in the world
|>>|>I will be living now with my parents in Haifa.
|>>
|>>Under which treaty or convention does the (unatributed) authour base his
|>claim
|>>that a trade boycott is illegal under international law? The US is currently
|>>sustaining two trade boycotts, against Cuba and against Vietnam. In both
|>cases
|>>the point in dispute is no more than the indigenous population's
|>unreasonable
|>>beleif that they have more right to chose their government than the US
|>>government.
|>
|>Excuse me?  Cuba *CHOSE* Fidel Castro as its president?  What planet are
|>you from?  
|>
|>Not in this universe, they didn't.

They showed a marked preference for the Castro regime over the US imposed
Batista regime which turned Cuba into a whorehouse for rich american playboys.

The US had her chance to bring democracy to Cuba after she invaded. Instead Cuba
was run as a colony until Castro.


|>> These boycotts are usually justified with much huffing and puffing
|>>about human rights which would be slightly more credible if the US had show
|>any
|>>concern for human rights in Iran, Iraq, Chile (etc) while supporting the
|>most
|>>appauling regimes there.
|>>
|>>Actualy there is a similarity, these sanctions were all imposed after
|>military
|>>means had been tried and failed.
|>
|>NO, they weren't.  And the Arab boycott against Israel goes far, far
|>beyond what is legal and what the US is doing against Cuba.

So Eric is now denying that either the bay of pigs invasion or the 1967 war etc
actually took place! Quite a staggering claim. 

Back up your statement with examples, people might beleive it then.

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Iraq Air Force planes that flew to Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:57:41 GMT

timlee@public.btr.com writes:

>So what happened to the Iraq Air Force planes that flew to Iran
>during the recent war?  Did Iran just keep them?

Hello, this was covered in a New York Times article, I think early this year or not long after the Gulf war.  

Iraq claimed that they sent about 180 planes to Iran for safekeeping during the war.  The U.S. Govt said about 170 went.  Iran said (ha!ha!) that they only     counted about 30 planes.

During the war there were reports that Iran was repainting a lot of the Iraqi   planes with their own color scheme, so it's likely that Iran has kept most of   the planes.

Funny note: During the pilgrimage season to Mecca, Iran was really desperate    for air transport to haul all of it's pilgrims to Saudi Arabia.  So they used   some of the Kuwaiti Airlines' planes that Iraq had captured and had then flown  to Iran.  Unfortunately for Iran, Saudi officials noticed the stolen planes and confiscated them and they were returned to Kuwait.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Arabs/leftists? (was Re: Computer Science in Israel Ignored)
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:52:06 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast

In article <1992Aug31.202821.22337@dscomsf.desy.de>
Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

>Anyway back to demonising, Gore Vidal makes some very telling points on this
>subject in his movie hollywood. Excellent reading by the way, the guy clearly
>knows how politics work. He describes how overnight the German beer cellars
>serving saurkraut etc suddenly change to Austrian or Swiss cuisine. "If a
>portion of the populace that comrise a fifth of the nation can be demonised so
>quickly what is there that the press cannot do" (quote from memory so not
>verbatim).

If you use Gore Vidal as your primary source for anythin beyond historical
(hysterical?) fiction, just about anything negative said about you gains
credence.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: RABIN MEETING
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:57:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <Btr37q.C83.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>Point of history: wasn't the government of Algeria made up of
>the same "freedom fighters" who won a bloody war of independence 
>from the west (specifically France).  In light of this, it seems
>that your implicit accusation against the west (who "are too fearful 
>of a strong Islamic government and nation") ignores the fact that
>most of the Arab people's problems are self-inflicted and have very
>little to do with the West.

I'm a little confused here.  First you are saying that Algeria won
in its independence from colonial France, and then suggest that
the "Arab people's problems are self-inflicted and have very little
to do with the West".

We know that the spread of colonization in the Middle East and Third
World imposed its own imperialistic system and strife among these
nations.  The political strife of course begun when they achieved
independency.  So what are you suggesting, Anwar?  Please clarify
your statement.

Is your position biased given that the state of Kuwait was established,
upon the Middle East's liberation from colonialization?

On what basis do you have to support your claims?

>Nonsense.  My government was allowed to exist because it has more
>political and historical legitimacy than most can claim, including 
>the minority governments in Iraq and Syrian and that transplanted
>monarch in Jordan.

Can you elaborate?

>I've got news for you Anisa, a country's citizens determine the 
>legitimacy of a government.  Thus, Kuwaitis are the sole determinors
>of whether their government is legitimate.   Therefore, you have
>absolutely no say in this.

You are right, Anwar.  So you are suggesting that your fellow
countrymen were the "sole determinors" of your Emir's legitimacy,
or was it Britian?

Anisa
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Religion and Politics (was: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT...)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:31:44 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep3.203438.28853@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
#aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
#Do you care to elaborate a little here?  Do you believe that
Israel had no part in Lebanon's civil war?
>
>What about all the other wars? As for the civil war in Lebanon,
I don't remember the exact date it started, but in 1975 there
were already about 30,000 victims. This was long before any
IDF soldier set foot in Lebanon, except for some commando raids
that didn't have any significant influence on the global
picture.

Hmmmm.....

But what about after?

#:-)  Don't you people believe that Rabbi Menachem Schneerson is
a prophet?  :-)
>
>"You people"?? What does that mean? I don't think any secular
Jew believes that, and many orthodox Jews reject it also. This
has been the reason for a great strife between certain
Jewish orthodox communities.

Well, I was just saying 'you guys', but actually I know this.
I was just joking, actually since you asked if I saw a prophet
lately ... I was just trying to humor you a little ... darn, it
didn't work :-).

#Hmmm..... very interesting.  So you are not a Zionist?
>
>Shhh! Everybody's listening! But, seriously - I cannot answer
that question; it is like you aksed me if I am a tefdytgbsd. There

:~)

>is simply no common definition of Zionism, so the question is
not defined. Suffice if I say that I believe Israel should
exist forever, within secure limits, and, most hopefuly, in
peace.

And what do you say about Palestinians?

Recognition is the first step towards peace .... :-)

>I agree with the rest of your post, which I deleted to save space.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What's going on here?!?

:-)  Anisa

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: An aside to the Aid debate
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:30:49 GMT


As an aside to the debate on foreign aid, Kuwait has just announced
it is donating $10 million to the American Red Cross for victims of 
Hurricane Andrew.

-anwar
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From: daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Iraqi weaponry, was Re: Soviet Nuclear Weapons Stolen?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:35:44 GMT

jac54@cas.org () writes:

>>Yep, that was the U.S.  Although others certainly helped.  But we should give
>>credit (or discredit) where it is due.  I think the bribe deal to get Syria
>>into the war by giving them Lebanon and God knows what else was bad.  We'll
>>regret it later, I regret it now.

>>>Who was it that provided Saddam with arms for nearly ten years. . .

>	Let's get this right.  There are not, and never were, any U.S.
>	weapons in the Iraqi inventory.  Soviet, French, Italian, Brazilian,
>	and others, yes, but no American weapons.  The U.S. loaned the
>	Iraqis a lot of money that was supposed to go towards other
>	things, supporting the civilian infrastructure in the main.

You are correct that Iraq has no U.S. weaponry. That wasn't my quote.                
>	The burden of proof now lies with you to demonstrate that such
>	monies were used, with the knowledge of the U.S., to finance
>	weapons purchase and development.

Is there anything being dug up in the congressional investigation?  I
thought I saw something about how Agricultural Credits were bounced
around and ended up buying and/or developing weapons.  I'm not sure on
this.

>	My source for the Iraqi inventory was the "The World Defence
>	Almanac 1990-91" which is a special edition of "The Balance of
>	Military Power" published by SIPRI if I remember correctly.

>	Don't assume I'm acting as an apologist for the Iraqis, the
>	Ba'athists, or the Republicans.  I worry a lot about the
>	first group but have little time for the other two.

As far as I'm concerned, whatever Iraq did, bought, stole, whatever, was
just part of being a State and trying to pursue it's national interest.
Just like the U.S. and other supposedly more enlightened countries.

Daniel Sawyer: "I hate vi! Microsoft Word it is not!"
-- 
Daniel R. Sawyer
daniel-sawyer@uiuc.edu

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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re:  Islamic Sabah of Kuwait: Millions to British zoo.
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:41:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.193442.2436009@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>In article <Btp3nF.DC6.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>the government there, which is hostile to Kuwait, is largely 
>>responsible for the misery there (mostly inflicted on Christians,
>>who are also being enslaved by the Sudani government).
>>
>>So if you are looking for someone to attack, why don't you attack
>>the Iraqi government, which has propped up this murderous Sudani
>>regime?
>
>Apparently you are a John Gurung supporter.  I haven't heard a single
>independent islamic sheikh speak against the government of Sudan,
>but rather the opposite.  Did you read about the proudness of 
>the Afghan Mujahideen of the Sudani government and especially 
>Br. Hasan Al Turabi?  Did you hear Dr. Ahmad Nofel speak of how
>much justice there is in Sudan now adays.  Did you hear how
>Sudan is flowrishing after with the current government?

Please, I don't support any leader in Sudan.  The fact is
that Christians in Sudan are being slaughtered wholesale 
or enslaved by a faux-Islamic government.

>
>
>I am not a Saddam supporter either.  Saddam is not any less
>brutal than your Amir.  The iraqis inflicted horrible things
>on the innocent Kuwaiti citizens.  If Saddam had a conflict with
>the kuwaiti government, he should've attacked the Presidential Palace,
>and should have kept his troops out of the city, but unfortunately,
>he's as brutal as your Amir if not more.
>
>>
>>Your attack in Kuwait is so misdirected and uninformed here, I 
>>suggest to you that you retract it before you lose all credibility,
>>if you haven't already.
>
>The unfair courts against the Palestinians gives me enough to judge
>such an ugly system.  Alhamdilliah we don't have many Kuwaiti government 
>lovers around the world.  You are enough.
>

Interesting.  Due process in (now) civilian courts of law is considered
an "ugly system".  We know where you are coming from.


>
>What  kind of justice are you comming to bullshit us with.  You
>are either misguided by your criminal government, or you are a criminal
>yourself.  You sound like  an athiest, but I cannot really say.
>If you are an athiest, please get rid of the name Mohammed, I beg you.
>"Athlam Brejnaive"  is better than "Anwar Mohammed" for athiests.

Is the last refuge of fools like Elghani and Jaber to resort to
ridiculous (and in Elghani's case, partially blasphemous) sectarian
arguments? 

>
>jle


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