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From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: I'm still a republican, but not a happy one
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:42:02
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
	<1992Jul31.171841.16777@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
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Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
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In-reply-to: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov's message of Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.181856.29360@mcs.anl.gov> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:

> >>That is how the Socialists got almost every one of their ideas passed
> >>into law.
> >
> >does this mean we are now a socialist country?  did i miss that too?
> 
> Apparently you did.

Neat!  I'll have to tell my socialist friends that they can quit
political activism and go home.  I'm sure they'll be really thrilled
to find out that we already live in the kind of country that they have
been unsuccessfully fighting for for so long.
--
Matthew Austern              I dreamt I was being followed by a roving band of
(510) 644-2618               of young Republicans, all wearing the same suit,
matt@physics.berkeley.edu    taunting me and shouting, "Politically correct
austern@theorm.lbl.gov       multiculturist scum!"... They were going to make
austern@lbl.bitnet	     me kiss Jesse Helms's picture when I woke up.
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Posts being misdirected
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:20:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.221338.6100@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra) writes:
>
>     If you don't know what you are doing, I suggest
>you check out news.newusers.questions and 
>news.announce.newusers.  Also, if you don't understand
>what I'm talking about when I say "edit the newsgroup
>line" I suggest you ask your system manager for help.

And since you think you do know what you're doing, why don't you just
quit following up on things that you consider 'misposted'?  What's
sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.  Perhaps everyone should
follow up on all your complaints, taking care to crosspost to the
group you claim to be posting from?

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From: tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
Subject: DEC deal with Bush
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:41:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QePQTee00WBOQ4jBQU
Organization: Doctoral student, Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

NOTE CROSS-POSTINGS--

I am not interested in a flame or even mildly heated debate about the
candidates.  I just have a rumor that I'd like to know if anyone could
confirm or deny.  I haven't seen anything posted on the net.  If I
missed something, please forgive the rehashing.

The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
return for the postponement.

Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
rumor.

Tse-Sung
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: philip@reed.edu (Philip Moore)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Keywords: the End
Followup-To: t.p.misc
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:20:56 GMT
Summary: Will of the Active


It is not necessarily over.  If everyone who was excited about the 
possibility of a Perot candidacy just gives up then the next president
will be elected by 17% of the eligible voters.  

Now how hard can it be to have a voter registration drive to get another
18% of the >18 year olds in your state registered and canvassed to vote
for an alternative?  The people who came together in Oregon to use
Perot to force change are staying together.  We may even have enough
interest to field a Senate candidate.  The only way to take your country
back is to take your country back.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: jej@rubiconlatour (John Jeandron)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Reply-To: jej@rubiconlatour (John Jeandron)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:38:58 GMT


>|> The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>|> it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>|> floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>|> has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>|> President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>|> return for the postponement.

>I follow internal e-mail pretty closely and have never heard any fact
>or fiction bearing any similarity to this.

>-- 
>Ken Lee


	KEN LEE --- Director of Personnel?  DEC?   (and not one of the 30,000?)


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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: GEORGE WILL: Bush should leave
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:56:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bs9816.4n5@wpi.WPI.EDU> padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.081213.11131@leland.Stanford.EDU> coyote@leland.Stanford.EDU (The White Blackbird) writes that George Will writes:
>>
>>
>>Suppose  Bush said  the   heck with it,   I've got fish  to  catch and
>>grandchildren to   catch  them with.
>
>Using one's own grandchildren as bait? Now that doesn't sound like good
>family values to me!


  Hold it, the posting didn't say they were HIS grandchildren, 
  just "grandchildren" (somebody's).   This explains why there's
  a lot more kids starting off on those White House lawn Easter
  Egg hunts than come back from them.   Really, this could could
  be bigger than Watergate, Iran-Contra, etc.  And in an election
  year!  

  What kind of fish could you catch with grandchildren?  They would 
  have to be big ones, right?   I think we should see if "Marlin"
  Fishwater had any involvement in this.


---peter




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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: I'm still a republican, but not a happy one
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:39:34 GMT

In article <MATT.92Jul31114202@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:

>In article <1992Jul31.181856.29360@mcs.anl.gov> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:

>> >>That is how the Socialists got almost every one of their ideas passed
>> >>into law.
>> >
>> >does this mean we are now a socialist country?  did i miss that too?
>> 
>> Apparently you did.

>Neat!  I'll have to tell my socialist friends that they can quit
>political activism and go home.  I'm sure they'll be really thrilled
>to find out that we already live in the kind of country that they have
>been unsuccessfully fighting for for so long.

Actually, the Socialists topped one million votes, and the Democrates 
grabbed almost all of their platform planks.  Since people would rather vote 
for a winner than sincerity, the socialists lost a lot of their popular 
support to the Democrats.  These planks have since been watered down, and 
not all of them have been made law by any means.

-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: jimb47@netcom.com (Jim Budler)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 06:57:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <STRANGE.92Jul23171445@hang.dec.com> strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange) writes:
>In article <QePQTee00WBOQ4jBQU@andrew.cmu.edu> tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) writes:
>
>   NOTE CROSS-POSTINGS--
>
>   I am not interested in a flame or even mildly heated debate about the
>   candidates.  I just have a rumor that I'd like to know if anyone could
>   confirm or deny.  I haven't seen anything posted on the net.  If I
>   missed something, please forgive the rehashing.
>
>   The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>   it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>   floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>   has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>   President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>   return for the postponement.
>
>   Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
>   papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
>   rumor.

Personally, I doubt there was any deal. But with Ken Olson's step down
dated October 1, I doubt his replacement will have his plan in place
before the first Tuesday in November, whatever the plan.

Effectively this has the result such a deal would have created.

Was this planned?

Probably more like:

Ken to George: I'm going to have to step down, but I'll try to time it
so it doesn't impact you.

George to Ken: Thank You.

If you call this a "deal" then it may have happened.

I wouldn't call it a deal, I'd call it an influential supporter trying
to minimize the effect his personal problems have on the public issue.


-- 
Jim Budler

also jimb@silvlis.com and 72415.1200@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:59:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.033058.2490@lclark.edu> hulsej@lclark.edu (Jose Hulse) writes:
>To continue this thread...
>
>[lots of stuff about how Tsongas, on a roundtable discussion
>program with other Democratic candidates, sounded like Elmer Fudd but more
>authoritative deleted]
>
>Well, all I can say is that when I watched that program back in January or
>February, I thought that although both Clinton and Tsongas sounded like their
>positions had some depth, Tsongas not ONLY sounded like Elmer Fudd, but
>had a certain air of arrogance toward the other candidates, AND displayed
>a truly annoying tendency to snap at the others.
>
	
	I watched most of the regional democratic debates on C-SPAN.  
This was part of Clinton's campiang strategy - to point out when
Tsongas was implying he was the only one who had the right solutions - in
the South Dakota debate, Clinton snapped at him using almost the exact 
same words.

>On top of all that, I got the (perhaps mistaken) impression that his plan
>for the economy was basically "cut capital gains taxes, increase taxes on
>the middle class, cut spending drastically."  Sounded like Reaganomics with
>even more taxes for the middle class, with a more liberal social agenda.
>While I have no problem with the latter, the former sounds like a bonanza
>for the wealthy and serious depression for the rest of the country.
>
	Once again, this is what Clinton was spinning into Tsongas' platform.
Clinton's plan (at the time): Raise taxes on the rich, offer the middle class
a "middle class tax cut", along with a bigger tax break for having children
(a truly stupid, but demagogueic idea), and ignore the fact the government
owes 4 trillion dollars. Tsongas' plan was to increase taxes on the rich, 
offset that with a long-term capital gains cut (encouraging long-term
investment - instead of the current short-term investment mentality), and
not offer any tax cuts that won't help the economy if the government can't
afford it. In fact Clinton's plan - Lower taxes on the middle class, and
grow our way out of the recession and deficit - is the same arguement
Reagan used for his 1986 tax cut. But you're impression was the impression
Clinton was pushing on Tsongas' plans.

	The reason Clinton won is that he has probably the best run and
organized campaign of the last few elections. His plans sound OK, but
this's the guy who one week told Larry King he could balance the budget
in five years, and two weeks later releases an economic plan that doesn't
balance the budget, and reduces the deficit buy assuming high economic
growth.

	Unfortunately, I'll probably end up voting for him anyway, given
the other choice.



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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <+dgmj1n.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.211633.9704@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>done -- good or bad?  Of course not.  He can't run the U.S. like its a
>>corporation; the presidency is not a CEO position.  Any economical
>
>I beg to differ with your comment. The president is the chief EXECUTIVE.
>He runs the EXECUTIVE branch. CEO=Chief Executive Officer. 

_I_ beg to differ:

Generally, CEOs aren't necessarily adept at negotiating, at the
political work necessary to get things done.  Perot never had to put
up with an executive in that other office yonder, who said, no this
won't work and I'm not letting you do it.  CEOs are good at giving
commands, not building consensus.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:01:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.145259.7340@advtech.uswest.com> jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi) writes:

>In article <16831BB14.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>>
>>Does anyone really doubt that Clinton won over Tsongas because he was simply
>>more attractive and doesn't sound like Elmer Fudd? There were no issues
>>discussed in the primary. There were no debates. It was all image.

This isn't exactly true:  Clinton supported a middle-class tax cut, until he 
was safely out of the demo primaries.  Then he dropped it like it was rabid 
pit-bull scorpion with AIDS.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:07:29 GMT

klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) writes:

>|> The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>|> it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>|> floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>|> has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>|> President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>|> return for the postponement.

>I follow internal e-mail pretty closely and have never heard any fact
>or fiction bearing any similarity to this.

>-- 
>Ken Lee
>DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
>Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
>uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee


I have heard both 30k and 15k mentioned as layoff figures and I have
reasons (which I will not disclose) to believe that a major layoff is
imminent! I do not believe that DEC has cut a deal with Bush... he is
probably not planning on carrying Mass. anyway and I doubt if any other
state would be effected.  

Unless he is dumping Quayle for K.O.


Charlie

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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Space Alien endorses Clinton campaign
Keywords: Drops all Bush support...has seen the light
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.171101.23094@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>
>     The Weekly World News shows our photogenic friend from parts
>unknown shaking hands with Bill Clinton this week. With this kind
>of extra-terrestrial support, the Democrats are sure to win the 
>White House...Bush was quoted as mumbling something about friends
>in high places...

Free Trade Pact with Mars!  We can begin manufacturing Dan Quayle
Action Figures!  Pat his head, and he'll say, "Cultural Elite".  Pat
his stomach and he'll say, "It's right phoenetically, but you're
missing something..."  Martian will buy it!

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: eur@dutncp2.tn.tudelft.nl (Eur van Andel)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Organisation: TU Delft, The Netherlands
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:33:18 GMT

In <Bru6sI.3so@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:

>klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) writes:

>>|> The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>>|> it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>>|> floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>>|> has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>>|> President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>>|> return for the postponement.

>>I follow internal e-mail pretty closely and have never heard any fact
>>or fiction bearing any similarity to this.


>I have heard both 30k and 15k mentioned as layoff figures and I have
>reasons (which I will not disclose) to believe that a major layoff is
>imminent! I do not believe that DEC has cut a deal with Bush... he is
>probably not planning on carrying Mass. anyway and I doubt if any other
>state would be effected.  

DEC is doing badly, and I know of the sale of a large PWB plant to AKZO in 
the Netherlands. There will be a layoff at this plant, but not as huge as 30k.

>Unless he is dumping Quayle for K.O.

Quayle? The man who supports the Pro Choice movement? Naah. :-)
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From: tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley)
Subject: Re: Oh, Danny Boy
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.131543.14559@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>>| *  P-O-T-A-T-O-E.                                                        |
>>|       -- June 1992                                                       |
>
>None of the reporters present was able to tell that Quayle misspelled
>potato (from a que card given to him) until the young man he corrected
>told the reporters that the card was wrong.  I guess that's why journalists
>have copy editors.
>
>
>Jeff.

Yesterday Jim Kerr (sitting in for Rush) said that a NY Post article
bashing Danny Boy for his spelling incorrectly spelled potato twice.  I
wonder what their headline is today.  This potato thing is really
getting ridiculous.

Tim
 
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From: puccio@media.mit.edu (Jim Puccio)
Subject: "We're enjoying sluggish times, and not enjoying them very much."
Indirectobject: Dan Quayle, man out of time.
Object:      -- George Bush, 2-JAN-92.
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:52:57 GMT

OK, OK, already.  I can see from the number of people requesting to see this
little number again, that we have a winner here.  Thanks for the warm reception
the first time around.  Enjoy.

"I've had no indication from home, nor have we picked up any here that they
felt that the U.S. economy was going to move towards a recession."
  -- George Bush, 16-JUN-89

"The economy is moving in the right direction."
  -- George Bush, 4-OCT-91

"I don't want to buy into the predicate about another recession.  I don't feel
that way."
  -- George Bush, 25-OCT-91

"The economy's turned the corner, headed for recovery."
  -- George Bush, 31-OCT-91

"I'm not prepared to say we are in a recession."
  -- George Bush, 8-NOV-91

"It will not be a deep recession."
  -- George Bush, 4-JAN-92

"I've known that the economy is in free fall.  I hope I've known it.  Maybe I
haven't conveyed it as well as I should."
  -- George Bush, 15-JAN-92

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "This president is going to lead us out of the recovery.  It will happen."  |
|     -- Dan Quayle, 17-JAN-92                                                |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:34:33 GMT

In article <16831BB14.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>>The only reason that Clinton won out over Tsongas is that he was willing
>>>to put his campaign in deeper debt than Tsongas was.
>>
>Does anyone really doubt that Clinton won over Tsongas because he was simply
>more attractive and doesn't sound like Elmer Fudd? There were no issues
>discussed in the primary. There were no debates. It was all image.
> 

Odd, I remember quite a bit of talk about issues, as well as several
debates (one of which was broadcast on one of the networks).  Where
were you?


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