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From: klong@sura.net (K.A. Long)
Subject: Re: Janice.Net
Keywords:  Just my $.02
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:58:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.065801.8677@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sesh@leland.stanford.edu writes:
>-What does everyone else think about Janice?
>	Is everyone going to keep this silence up? (Silence=Death by spiked 
>	heels)
>
>John
>
>Sometimes I feel like [I want to know more about Janice's] whipping post...
 
I've been following this thread and after much soul searching I decided
I couldn't hold back any longer.  Besides, you asked!  Now, I'm not saying 
that this is the way things are by any means but I just thought that what 
I'm about to propose is something to consider, in general.

I've been reading news for a while and there is a phenomena that occurs
at least once every semester in the groups I read regularly.  Someone
gives out their password to their account (or leaves their terminal
unattended regularly) and forged postings are sent to various groups
on the net.  Usually, the posts are inflammatory in nature and incite
the group as a whole to respond vehemently while the forger/poster
sits back and enjoys the riot.  

In some cases, the poster has read or is familiar with the group dynamics
and knows what the group is about.  They are able to combine certain
elements of truth but on the other hand something just seems a little
unreal or "too good to be true".    

Anyway, those are just some thoughts I had on the subject.  Like
I said, I'm making no judgements here but it is something to consider
when you read news.  And sometimes it's best to sleep on it instead of 
following up immediately after you've read a post.  Unfortunate things are 
often said in the heat of the moment.

klong


out and
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: yet another phishy coincidence
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:16:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.OLSON.93Jan26001622
Distribution: rec
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

Was sitting contentedly in the back seat of my folks' car on the way back
from skiing in NH, with Roseland 3/14/92 blaring in my headphones, when
a white hatchback flies by with NH license plate... you guessed it... PHISH.
May have had a + on it too; I only caught a brief glimpse.

--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu
This article is a natural product.  The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects.
From: darkmage@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Dark Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: actually...
Date: 19 Jan 93 03:56:36 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616


there are battle trolls AND battle toads.

could someone please repost the current tour schedule?  I missed it first 
time around.


Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Set the gearshift for the high gear of your soul
DM
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Bill Press <press@lip.wustl.edu>
Subject: Private posts and the Janice factor
Reply-To: press@v1.wustl.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:22:21 GMT

Private posts are usually considered respectful for flames, since as Molly
said, nobody likes to see people railing on each other. And if the flamer (ie
me) ends up being wrong (in principle (or principal? (my diction (is this
diction?) sucks))), then at least not everybody else on the net is left with a
shitty taste in their mouth about the flamee (Janice). 

Janice, I don't know if you were referring to me in your post ("Bill and
David... I'm not into taking drugs.." and "Bill, you are also a dickhead.
Don't bother writing me with that elitist crap..") since I never said anything
about drugs. My "closed" letter to Janice was three sentences:

   I don't get it, man. I mean, who's being superior here? Think about it.

I'm posting it here because I don't understand the furious flurry of personal
flames Janice has been winging off. And I take offense to this being written
off to sexism, as Janice seems to imply.

Maybe, Janice, you just piss people off.

	- Bill

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From: 891406b@axe.acadiau.ca (STEPHEN BENNETT)
Subject: Re: gamehendge
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:51:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.212845.2085@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> molly rinaldi <RINA0243@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu> writes:
>From: molly rinaldi <RINA0243@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
>Subject: gamehendge
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:28:45 GMT

>Date sent:  21-JAN-1993 16:04:54 
>i was just hanging around doing nothing today, when thoughts of gamehendge 
>drifted into my brain...........

>POSSUM--  the definition says to feign death.  in the song the lyric goes:
>     i was riding down the road one day
>     someone hit a possum....
>   ...the road was his end 
>      his end was the road
>      so they say
>  who ever is singing the song did not hit the possum, they saw him on the 
>side of the road and assumed he was dead.  "so they say"  tells us that he 
>probably isn't dead.  is it icculus singing the song?
>is the song telling us that the story is far from over?   

  i heard from  an `insider' that the song is actually about mike's 
girlfriend???? she went to go see them play somewhere (location unknown) but 
didn't make the show until the last few songs.....the reason....she had hit 
a possum on the way!!!!
flipper
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From: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: harmonica jams
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:09:57 GMT

John Popper jams on the encore from the ROseland show that got net.tree'd 
last year...great jam on Good Times, Bad times...
Jeff.

--
From: williama@kenyon.edu (GRYMBLE GRUMBLE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: THIS IS NOT A GROVEL...
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:06:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1993Jan26.050638.24634
Reply-To: williama@kenyon.edu
Organization: The Internet


                        THIS IS AN ORDER!

PLEASE IF YOU HAVE EXTRA TIX TO ROSELAND FOR BOTH NIGHTS PLEASE
SELL THEM HERE OVER THE NET! I KNOW TWO OF MY GOOD BUDDIES HERE AT SCHOOL
ARE LOOKING AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU NETTERS ARE HLODING OUT ON THEM.
I REALIZE THAT IF YOU WAIT AND SELL THEM AT THE SHOW TO SOME DESPARATE
PERSON YOU'LL GET PLENTY OF DOUGH, I KNOW THE DEAL. ( I SAW SOMEONE PAY
$75 FOR A TICKET TO SEE THE BEASTIE BOYS AT THE RITZ) THE SCALPERS WILL
BE THERE ALL RIGHT, HUSTLING AND DEALING, IN FACT WHAT THEY DO IS BUY THE 
TICKET OFF OF YOU FOR $50 AND THEN GO SELL IT FOR DOUBLE THE AMOUNT!
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BAND OR THE SHOW, THEY JUST WANT MONEY. ANYONE
WHO WAITS UNTIL THE SHOW TO SELL A TICKET BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET MORE
FOR IT THEN IS NOTHING MORE THAN A TWO BIT SCALPER. I KNOW THAT THE TICKETS
SOLD OUT QUICKLY AND I EVEN KNOW UNDERHANDED BROKERS WHO PROBABLY STILL
HAVE HORDES OF TICKETS THEY ARE WAITING TO SELL FOR $100 AND UP BUT I THOUGHT
WE WERE ALL A COMMUNITY HERE...I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ALL ABOUT MAKING A BUCK
ON A BAND JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU CAN. THAT KIND OF CRAP I EXPECT AT DEAD
SHOWS, NOT HERE! OH WELL, MAYBE NONE OF YOU DO HAVE EXTRAS BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT
THAT...PHISH IS NOT THAT BIG IN NYC YET AND THE MAJORITY OF TICKET BUYERS WOULD
BE COLLEGE KIDS AND NETTERS, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, SO WHERE DID ALL THE 
TICKETS GO?????

                                    a slightly peeved netter,
                                                              dre.

*By the way, I got tickets for me and my friend Matt 
 through the net. (thanks jeff!)

HELP SKAL, EVAN AND CHET GET TO NEW YORK, i am asking politely now but that 
(and any other netter needing tix!)       could always change... >;^)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Photos 
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:27:08 GMT


What's the deal with cameras at Phish gigs?  Can you bring one in??
We want to take one into the Rochester show and get some nice photos
Thanks!

Al Sodoma


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From: Ed Craig <CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: scalpers and grovels
Reply-To: CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:08:25 GMT

    I've never seen evidence that it's happened, nor has anyone ex-
pressed suspicion, but someday somebody who's succesfully groveled on
the net may be caught scalping outside the venue. At which point I
hope the internet gods come down on the culprit like a ton of bricks.
(Yeah, I know, I have a low opinion of humanity)-:
    But I hope if and when it happens that it's not a case of one fool
ruining a good thing. What brought this on was musing about the recent
reaction to dre's post, as intemperate as it was. Communities have been
betrayed before, that doesn't mean we have to give up on community.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Edward Craig                                         CRAIG@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
My opinions and M.I.T.'s occasionally coincide. Occasionally they don't.
    Neither of us worries about it.
    (MIT doesn't pay me enough to be its spokesman.)
    "We are forces of chaos and anarchy.
         Everything they say we are... We are...
              And we are very proud of ourselves!"
                                       Paul Kantnor
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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From: Rich Fromm 21-Jan-1993 1058 <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Principia Discordia
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:02:03 GMT

akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu (Allan Keeton) writes:

|I have received a copy of the Principia Discordia.

am i missing something here?  i've heard this mentioned in numerous digests, 
but i have no idea what it is...

- rich

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Scott R. Hayes" <s_hayes@oz.plymouth.edu>
Subject: YEM - info. not a question
Reply-To: s_hayes@oz.plymouth.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:02:06 GMT

Concerning the much discussed lyric of YEM which everyone has wondered about
numerous times, I have some new knowledge, for me anyway.  Over
Christmas break I was playing a game with my family, Outburst (good
game), and learned a little fact.  That the Palace of Uffitze is in
Flourence.  Anyone heard this before?  Well if you haven't, now you
have.

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: Foam/Beer
Reply-To: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:31:10 GMT

I bought a beer brewing kit a few days ago, and brewed up my first batch last
night.  This morning, the foam from the hops was coming out of the airlock and
clogging it up.  My friend and I cleaned out the foam, and then put the lid
back on.  A few hours later, we noticed it had foamed up again.  My friend
said, "Wow, the foam just keeps getting thicker!"  Which made me start
wondering what the hell Foam is about.  Any guesses?

				-Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jrozes@jade.tufts.edu
Subject: Re: Convex/MMDF question
Reply-To: jrozes@jade.tufts.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:05:30 GMT

Can anyone out there tell me how to set a name string for mail? I'm using
MMDF-II on a Convex C3220 running ConvexOS 10.1 (BSD compliant). Any help
would be appreciated.

jonathan
jrozes@jade.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Joseph Collins <collins@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: ATLANTA TIX GROVEL
Reply-To: collins@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:27:58 GMT

      Sorry to grovel like this but I'm in desperate need of 2 tickets for
both nights of Atlanta. I just decided to go, but I found that it is sold
out. 

 I'm willing to pay cash/give tapes/offer a place to stay for the Chapel
Hill+Winston shows. 
 
     If you have extras please don't wait and sell them at the show; sell
them to me. PLEEEEAAAASE.
    
         -Joe
      email:  collins@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
     phone:  919-932-1932
From: st910504@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BUCA)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: janis, everyone please read
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: st910504@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Thanks Molly for your response to this situation.  I hope that everyone 
will look and your example and look more closely at what they are saying.
					
					Howie T.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Douglas H. Errett" <errett@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Janice:  grow up!
Reply-To: errett@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:35:56 GMT

A.K.A. Janice:
	i don't know who you are, but obviously you haven't been following
the net too closely.
	We aren't about superiority, or doing things better, faster, longer, or
louder...I like to think that we're about sharing, community, conversation, and
especially LEARNING.  
	In short, don't criticize things you don't understand.  You've got a 
little growing up to do.
				-- Doug
From: MANKIN%ITHACA.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu (Galahad)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Type III tapes.
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: MANKIN%ITHACA.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet

Hey all!
        Is there in existance such an animal as Type III tapes?  If so,
what are they and are they more commonly called somthing else?  If not was
there a reason for the jump to Type IV?

                                Peace,
                                  Seth "I like to ask silly questions,
                                          that's why!" Mankin
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: russellg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: Lift-ops, Telluride, and Phish
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:51:23 GMT

press@v1.wustl.edu writes: 
>Bruce Willner writes about the Telluride-Phish phenomenon. I used to live in
>Telluride, and actually visited there for a week this winter myself. Telluride
>is rife with Phish-folk...
>
>Chair lift people are known as "Lift-ops"


"Loading Butts" is another a.k.a. for said profession.  As in "My buddy
Chooch just got a job loading butts in Vail".  

:-)

We're getting primed for a spring Phish ski-fest here
in Colorado.  Ski by day, Phish by night!

-- 
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS!!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
|  Glenn Russell                     "Some rise, some fall, some climb...  |
|  russellg@rintintin.colorado.edu    To get to Weekapaug!"       :-)      | 
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From: Rich Fromm 21-Jan-1993 1817 <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: type II vs. type IV tapes
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:23:37 GMT

jay flemma writes:

|    In reply to rstern who asks...
|     "why do people still use high bias tapes instead of metal."

|     Because it is pretty widely known that significant use of metal tapes
|   will destroy the heads in your tape deck.  They will erode it into dust
|   long before its time.  (FYI I got 4 yrs of excellent performance
|   from my Denon-810 heads (yes its a 3-head deck) before having to replace 
|them.
|     Most companies anticipate a life span of about one year with
| extensive use of metal tapes.

huh?  i've never heard of this; where did you get this "pretty widely known"
statistic?

- rich

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: molly rinaldi <RINA0243@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: phish origins
Reply-To: RINA0243@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:48:36 GMT

Date sent:  24-JAN-1993 13:45:21 
| they got big b/c someone in the band wsa hit by the limo of a famous  
singer??
    
   i heard the same rumor about the spin doctors!!  don't you think we 
would have been informed if one of the guys were hit by a car??  


  "bullshit makes flowers grow
     and that's beautiful."
           ....principia discordia

                                                    2^3..........
From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Trey and Mike interviews
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:01:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.berkeley.edu


I can see that activity is expanding (exponentially) here and I think
it's a good bet that a number of colleges started their spring semesters
this week so many folks are just now re-joining the net...so, in case 
anyone who might have been interested missed them, I wanted to let folks
know that I posted new (11/24-25/92) interviews with Mike and Trey recently.
If you'd like to get a copy, just email me.

Shelly
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Andrew.J.Cahn@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Gary Herman
Reply-To: Andrew.J.Cahn@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:47:37 GMT

If anyone goes to Stanford and knows Gary Herman, tell him Andy Cahn from
Mendham, NJ says hello, and tell him to send me a message.
Also, Widespread Panic will be in Ann Arbor, MI at the Blind Pig 2/21.
Tickets are $9.50 from Ticket Master (313-645-6666)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SADOFFME@rascal.guilford.edu
Subject: union federal
Reply-To: SADOFFME@rascal.guilford.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:45:31 GMT

	I detected while listening to the Union Federal included on the Junta
CD a resemblance to early Pink Floyd (more specifically stuff from Saucerful
of Secrets and also the song Interstellar Overdrive).  Given Fish's love for
Barret and early Floyd....  Anyone else with me?
	BTW -- I always assume people on phish.net are good people.  It upsets
me to see netters railing against other netters regardless of having legitimate
complaints.  If someone pisses you off, be please be forgiving.  Consider the
stresses of life (school, work, relationships) that make people say and do 
things they wouldn't ordinarily say and do.  Sometimes we take out personal painand frustration on the people we love the most, only increasing the pain and
frustration.  IMhumbleO, netters who get out of line (ie. accusing other nettersof scalping tickets) should be corrected with sympathy.  Kindness and
understanding are contagious.  Remember the wise teachings of Icculus.

                                       M.Sadoff
But if the world had to perish twice
I think I know enough of hate
to say that for destruction
ice is also great
and will suffice  
                -- Robert Frost
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SADOFFME@rascal.guilford.edu
Subject: atlanta
Reply-To: SADOFFME@rascal.guilford.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:19:53 GMT

	I can't find the message, but someone a few days back asked if
people are going to both nights at the Roxy.  Yes.  In spring '92 I drove 
down from N.Carolina, pumped after an amazing show in Charlotte's 13-13.
The 1st set at the Variety Playhouse wet my appetite for a 2nd set that 
never happened -- "wet" is the word.
	I expect that Phish will more than make up for that lost set.  
I'm also looking forward to being in Atlanta, where I lived this past 
summer (the bookstore where I worked is in walking distance from the Roxy).
It's a pretty cool place -- saw Driven and Cryin' there right before it
closed for renovation.  Can't wait to see what it looks like.  Someone's
comments about too many yuppies and not enough parking is correct.  That's
Buckhead for ya'.  I suggest going to another area if in need of a bar --
drinks in Buckhead are outrageously priced.  See you in Peachville (better
known as Hotlanta).
                                                M.Sadoff

"But when I know the ozone is controlled -- by geeks
 	I...am basically frightened!" -- Col. Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Larva Tub <ST701616@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Whipping Post and set list grovel
Reply-To: ST701616@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:04:38 GMT

I can't find the original post to send a direct message so...
Long before Fish's extermely avant-garde interpretations, the whole band used t
o play Whipping Post with Trey on vocals, and it definitely smokes...I have a p
retty good sounding board of The Front in May (I can't remember the exact date
offhand) of '89 with this version, if whoever posted is interested in a trade o
r something.
Two other brief queries: I vaguely remember that i'm somehow supposed to "wrap"
 my lines so my posts are legible to everyone, but I don't know what this means
, can someone help me?
 Also: if anyone has complete set lists of any Living Room shows in Providence
in the fall of '89 or Sring of '90, or the Campus Club show in May,'91...I woul
d be eternally grateful.  These were some of my first Phish shows and the HPB o
nly has partial lists of one of the Living Room shows.  You can directly hit me
 as Rob (not Larva Tub, that was a horrific accident) at st701616@brownvm.brown
.edu        "I Feel like sucking"- Phish, campus club 3/13/92   -Rob Hodil
From: EVETTC@acad1.csd.unbsj.ca
Subject: The limo response
Reply-To: EVETTC@acad1.csd.unbsj.ca
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:16:38 GMT



     While at the Stowe show this summer I saw Santana's bus hit the
guys.  They were walking around the lot when the bus comes out of
nowhere and moes them down.
     I later learned that the fellows in the lot were clones,
produced by group.  The real guys were driving the bus, trying to
frame Jabba the Hut.  KILLING YOUR CLONE IS STILL MURDER.
     Sooner or later the cops will discover the true facts, and that
will be the downfall of Phish.
From: RG8460%SHIP.BitNet@pucc.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: ???????????????????????????
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:03:42 GMT
Reply-To: RG8460%SHIP.BitNet@pucc.princeton.edu
Organization: The Internet

Hi everyone out there in Phish Land.  You don't know who I am Because I
am not on the net, but I  am here alright.  I just wanted to ask one simple
question.  WHO THE FUCK DO THE PEOPLE AT "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE THINK THEY ARE!?!?
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