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From: haavardf@boson.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng)
Subject: Re: Want to learn to read and speak Norwegian.  Recommendations?
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:16:34 GMT

In article <CINDY.92Dec13152656@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:

   widely understood.  Any course you find, whether organized or
   self-teaching, will probably teach you to read and write bokmaal and
   speak with an Oslo dialect.  

To be more specific: You'll learn to speak more or less the way they do
in the west of Oslo and the western suburbs. It's a safe bet they won't 
teach you to speak the old/original city dialects.



H}vard Fosseng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinn seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:49:29 GMT

This is a translation of the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen (Swedenfinn)
10.12.1992.

FOR THE MINORITY STATYS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND (was the headline)

For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
status is seeked now official support from Finland.

The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
the minority status made by swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority status
during  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 

According to the committee Finland shall include Swedenfinnish aim for the
minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations between
Finland and Sweden.

On the communication made be the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
Bildt charactrazing the situation of swedenfinns. Bild has given as statement
that due to a long common history of the countries, finnish settlements
in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give a right to give for the
swedenfinn a special status.


Ps.
My comments,

Very difficult to translate, because of byreucratical text. You should notice
that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social democratical time swedish
governements aimed only to assimilate swedenfinn by all means.
As the peak of all swedish faschism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
"Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
politician in Sweden, normally you heard such speeches in South-Africa
and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
issue of 11.12.92

Down with swedish faschism and oppression of the finns in Sweden!
regards,
jarmo ryyti

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Stinks like a social democrat...
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:18:01 GMT

Jonne Henrikki Kolima (joheko@jyu.fi) wrote:
: 
: 	Err...umm...does anyone remember a posting I sent to this
: 	newsgroup a couple of weeks ago? I said things like: 'Jarmo
: 	has sent quite ordinary postings lately' and 'Maybe you should
: 	just ignore his postings'. Well, I take that back now. Flame
: 	the moron senseless.

Much more insulting had been; stinks like a social democrat compared
with smells like bat barf...
jarmo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mtf@saha.hut.fi (dalens ande)
Subject: Re: Finnish Defense
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:30:51 GMT

In article <urf.724342902@sw2001> urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:

>>Still, technology nowadays plays a far greater role in warfare
>>than it did 50 years ago.
>
>Depending on how you define it. As I see it, high-tech is to the
>advantage of small, defending nations.

 How can that be? As I see it, small nations can't really afford high-tech,
but a big nation with a big military budget can.
--
Antti Lahelma   |	      mtf@saha.hut.fi 	           |   GNOTHI SEAUTON 
Lehtotie 3     -O-	      stel@purkki.apu.fi          -*-  ====== ======= 
00630 HELSINKI  | <<Jumalat ovat pakanoille suosiollisia>> |    TUNNE ITSESI
From: evans@ece.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Travel in the Nordic Countries
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:31:07 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


Would someone please let me know, when is the best time
of the year to visit the Nordic Countries, when
the weather is bearable and there aren`t that
many tourists.

Thanks.

Glen Evans
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Finnish Defense
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:29:03 GMT

Johan W. Wikman (wilf@niksula.hut.fi) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec14.075847.4860@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: 
: [...]
: I realize you were trying to be funny and that I probably will cause
: yet another idiotic thread,
: 
: >  The danger is the 5th colonna of Finlandswedes. What should we do with them?
: >  They have even an own army unit, inside Finland. It may be dangerous in the
: >  future.
: 
: but could elaborate a little bit about this opinion of yours.

In Sweden the finnish-speking conscripts have to serve in swedish speaking
units. Swedenfinnish Centralorganization has proposed the idea to the
Swedish army that the finnnish speaking conscripts should serve in finnish
speaking units. Swedish army has denied this wish by arguing that it
disintegrate swedish army. So it must be the same in Finland, swedish
speaking units disintegrate Finnish the army. We have copied a lot of thinking
from Swden, at least it is boasted so, why not this thining too.

Are you for this too? Or are you for unequality?
I am for an absolute equality of the people regardless if they live in
Sweden or Filand. What about you?
regards,
jarmo ryyti
en finnj{vel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp)
Subject: Re: Traditional Swedish Christmas song
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
	<nkjrm.84@taxus.uib.no> <1992Dec15.153510.2729@cs.cornell.edu>
	<staff.02na@rabbit.augs.se> <1992Dec16.075501.25032@ugle.unit.no>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:53:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.075501.25032@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

> I think I have heard that the word "jul" comes from the old nordic
> "jol" or something, which might be the word for a mid-winter party -
> the vikings drank beer (mjd), had lots of food, and so on, you know -
> just like the modern "julebord".... :-)

I just happened to listen to an audio cassette called "god jul"
(text on the tape is German), that my sons got from IKEA here.
It describes, how christmas is celebrated in Sweden, and in
the beginning they claim that jul comes from a Viking word
"joult" or the like, that supposedly means something like
assembly of people or so; so it seems you may be not too far off,
though they didn't mention drinking beer etc.
-- 
Wolfgang Diestelkamp
wd@cs.tu-berlin.de
wolfgang@first.gmd.de

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Dementia spreading in Social Democrati
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:36:24 GMT

Jarmo Ryyti writes:

>However knowing Comrade U.Sundquist' background better now, I understand
>more his problems. Has anyone his address, so that I could send some
>humanitarian aid to him his xbank which he destroyed.

Maybe he and our Swedish Bank Destroyer Bjrn Wahlstrm could form a
club. Then they can pity each other so we don't have to bother. We'd
only have to throw in some rotten eggs and tomatoes sometimes. What a rot.

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From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dementia spreading in Social Democratic Party
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:03:07
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
	<1992Dec19.011017.9459@polaris.utu.fi>
NNTP-Posting-Host: tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: tonypaso@polaris.utu.fi's message of Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:10:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.011017.9459@polaris.utu.fi> tonypaso@polaris.utu.fi (Tony Matti Juhani Paso) writes:
> I wouldn't think it was unfair to call Mr. Sundqvist upperclass. Does it
> really matter what class little Ulf was born into? It just happens to
> be a fact that today and for the past couple of decades Sundqvist has
> drawn such a income, that he most certainly is as upperclass as you
> can get.

Sure, if you define "upper class" as, say, simply the five percent of
the population with the highest income at any moment, then Sundqvist
is now upper class.  But the point is: why did Jarmo want to point out
that he is an "upper-class finlandswede"? Why is it in any way
relevant that his mother tongue is Swedish? And, as I said earlier,
what's new about bank directors being well paid?
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: booserm@quig20.alleg.edu (Marcia Booser)
Subject: Re:  Traditional Christmas Song
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:15:08 GMT


	<asterios@emke.chalmers.se  (Asterios Kastoris) wrote:

>P.S. We have a little disagreement my friends and I,  about which is sung 
>first,  the ears or the tails.  Anyone out there on the net who knows  
>send me some E-mail with an answer D.S.

	First of all,  I could be wrong but I thought that song was sung  
at Midsummer.  But I do know that the ears part does come first!  God Jul  
och Gott Nytt ]r!!!!

	Marcia Booser  booserm@alleg.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Finnish paper loses subsidy in Sweden
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:11:44 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Ericsson



    Uuitiset, the Finnish news program in Swedish Television had a story
    yesterday about a Finnish newspaper in Eskilstuna. Due to the bad
    economy in Eskilstuna, the local authorities no longer are able to support
    the paper with subsidies drawn from the 'kommuns' budget. Only a
    couple of hundreds of the readers  were willing to pay for a subscription.
    Consequently, the newspaper is going to cease to exist. It was the
    taxpayer's money that kept it going.

    Two reflections can be made out of this:
    1) To what extent should the taxpayer's money be used to support
       minorities? This is an ideological/political question.
    2) Maybe, just maybe, the policies of Sweden towards its Finnish
       minority haven't been as genocidal as some have suggested.



       Mats Winberg
       Stockholm,Sweden
From: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: What language is this?
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)

BF>"Nollaig Nait Cugat It".

BF>It's supposed to mean Merry Christmas.

The spelling is not good, but it is clearly irish gaelic. "Nollaig
maith" means "Good Christmas" (Oiche maith = Good night).

Kjetil

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Norway - home of nisser, troll, hulder og draug.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: suicidal rate in nordic countries
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:34:01 GMT

Lars Petrus (petrus@stacken.kth.se) wrote:
: 
:  cml0464@ultb.rit.edu () writes:
: >
: >Can someone give some insights in this statistic?
: 
:    This pops up now and then. There is probably not much truth in it. One
: explanation I've heard is that in many countries suicides are a taboo
: subject and are often officially reported as accidents, heart failure or
: whatever.

I think you right. I have red somewhere that thanks to effective statistical
material in Scandinavian countries most sucide cases will be reported as
suicides when in many other countries they are recorded as something else,
like in catholic countries where a person which has committed suicide
will not buried in a holy land, in other words in an ordinary cemetry.
Also there was told that approximately 10% of the traffic accidents
are in fact suicide cases.

Still it is true, suicide rates in Nordic countries are high and they
are highest in Finland. What is the reason I do not know.

: 
:    What is certain however, is that this issue is totally dead (oops) here.
: Nobody ever talk about how we must lower the high suicide rates.
: 
There is some kind of a project going on in Finland where also Ministry of
Social Affirs is involved where preventive programmes are planned among
people in danger (alcholics, patients in menthal hospitals,
people without housing, persons who have made attempts)
regards,
jarmo
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: How to learn to speak Norwegian
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:29:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Dec17.182955.8418
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

Case study method:  English-speaking American with American wife

1.  Take trip through Norway

2.  Buy fixer-upper house in Aalesund

3.  Go back every summer for a couple of months and work on the house.

4.  By summer #3, you will both be speaking fluent Norwegian. 

That's what my cousin did, and it works!
-- 

Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: zfxj90@hou.amoco.com (Frithjof Overdal)
Subject: e-mail UIO.NO			
Reply-To: zfxj90@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:27:23 GMT

Jeg ser det er flere fra universitets miljoene i Norge innom here.
Kan noen hjelpe med e-mail adresse til Terje Johnsen pa Universitet i Oslo/Blindern??	Pa forhand takk.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Dementia spreading in Social Democratic Party
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.100255.6045@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>Bob Hammarberg (hberg@polisci.umn.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1992Dec11.103748.20883@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>: 
>: >Besides that he is swedish speaker...
>:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: Now what does the guy's linguistic abilities have to do with this?  

>I agree; nothing, I also speak swedish...

>: And Jarmo persists in claiming that he is not prejudiced against Swedes!

>So according to your world picture all swedish speakers are swedes.
>Typical product of swedish grundskolan?...some chauvinism too?

Jarmo, you silly fascist, don't you think I recognize a bigot when I see 
one?  Don't avoid the question:  Why did you feel compelled to point out 
that Uffe S. is a Swedish speaker.  Your disingenuous reply (above) make it 
sound as if you just as well could have said "besides that he is a Finnish 
speaker" - but that would have missed the point, wouldn't it?  The point 
being that not only is Uffe a Soc-Dem, but a Swede too - both of which are 
obviously dirty words in your lexicon.

Jarmo reminds me of the teacher in Linna's Pentinkulma trilogy.  What was 
his name?  Rautala?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Finnish Defense
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:58:47 GMT

dalens ande (mtf@saha.hut.fi) wrote:
: In article <1g9632INN8m0@uwm.edu> pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pellervo Kokkonen) writes:
: 
:  What I said was that (IMO) there is not very much that Finland can do
: to prevent a superpower from invading here. I added that Finland could,
: however, make such an invasion look less appealing by training guerilla
: troops that would make a stay here very unpleasant (consider what happened 
: in Yugoslavia during WWII). Where did I contradict myself?

If super-power Sweden  invades Finland some counter mesures are needed
of course in order to make their presence as bad as possible.
I would recommend for instance; no central heating and closing all
hamburger stands.
: 
:  I don't know what you're referring at. I believe guerilla warfare worked
: out pretty well in the Afghanistan and Vietnam wars. Am I mistaken?

Certainly it would work also in Finland or in Sweden.

: 
:  I AM aware, however, of what happened in the Gulf War.

Do you mean Gulf of Botnia? What happened? 
: 
:  I'm very far from being a technocrat. Still, technology nowadays plays
: a far greater role in warfare than it did 50 years ago. The Gulf War very
: clearly showed this. The point I was trying to make was that Finland can
: not compete in high-tech with our neighboring superpower. We have to find
: some other way. Guerilla troops could be one.

Cetainly our neighbouring super -power is dangerous, it may start a war
in the Gulf of Bothnia any time. If there is needed guerillas against
the swedes I am cetainly a volunteer. We must defend Finland.
The danger is the 5th colonna of Finlandswedes. What should we do with them?
They have even an own army unit, inside Finland. It may be dangerous in the
future.

tervised,
jarmo ryyti
From: sizex@stl.stc.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: snipp snapp snute
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:14:25 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.200.40

A play for children based on the Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson
is being performed the Newcastle-under-Lyme this Christmas. One
of the characters, the robber girl, says "snipp snapp snur" frequently.
Is that the beginning of the Danish for "snipp snapp snute, tiden er ute"
as said in Norway? Is it a folk-saying or does it have literary
antecedents?

thanks, Eric

Eric Barber			E.O.Barber@bnr.co.uk
BNR Europe Limited		6 742 3527
London Road			+44 279 403527/429531
Harlow, Essex CM17 9NA		England
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Re: What language is this?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:56:48 GMT

bjorn@toby.ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller) writes:

>"Nollaig Nait Cugat It".

>It's supposed to mean Merry Christmas.
>I know nordic languages well enough to be pretty sure this isn't nordic at
>all. It seems like quite a few here knows a lot of languages though, so I
>figured I'd give it a shot. Does anyone know a more proper forum for this
>question?  /Bjorn.

It's Gaelic.  I don't know if it is Irish or Scottish flavor.  
Try soc.culture.celtic or gaelic-l@irlearn.ucd.ie -- Bryan

P.S.  If you find out how to pronounce it, let us know.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: The Amazing Open Door Trick
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:13:55 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland


  In an amazing act of Nordic Cooperation, The fabulous "Open Door" trick
performed by the Infamous Jarmo and his assistant -bertil-.

  We have here a large, securely locked and barred steel door called 
"Swedish Policy against Minorities", and on the other side of the ring stands
the Illustrious Jarmo. He will now charge across the ring, head first, straight
through this securely locked and barred steel door!

  Welcome down here in the ring and feel how hard the door is, no trickery
here, no maam. See how Jarmo puts on his helmet and prepares himself. 
Today, he will attempt an additional level of difficulty: He will crosspost to
soc.culture.usa at the same time! Isn't it Amazing!

  And now he charges! 

In article <1992Dec12.085313.27776@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>The Swedenfinns have demanded similar status as an ethnic
>minority of Sweden like the saamis of Sweden have been recognized, but their
>will is not accepted.

  And he runs even faster!

In article <1992Dec17.065711.3062@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
>: status is seeked now official support from Finland.

  Now, while the Amazing Jarmo approaches the door, see how his assistant
reveals a copy of the merely months old 9th book of the Swedish National
Encyclopedia "Nationalencyclopedin".

  Page 529 3rd column: In translation:
  "Immigrant pupil: Pupil in elementary or highschool who has another home
language than Swedish. Swedenfinnish and Saami pupils are not included in
this category."

  Ladies and Gentlemen, Note that Swedish is seen as a Home language. Note
further that Swedenfinnish and Saami are regarded as similar cases.

  It appears that we've had a little accident here in the ring. The Amazing
Jarmo tried to break down a wide open door and ended up in the audience, so
we'll have to cut here to clean it up.

-bertil-
PS: Jarmo, what is the relationship of the newspaper you quote so often and
    the "RSKL-Lehti" published by the "Sverigefinska Riksf|rbundet" ?
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Subject: Re: Want to learn to read and speak Norwegian. Recommendations?
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:59:10 GMT


>Here I am trying to discourage a poor American soul who *really* shows some
>great initiative.  Not so.  Go for it.  Slang and dialects are part of the
>reason why learning another language is so much fun.  _I_ think.  With great
>risk of provoking fellow citizens, I'll make a recommendation: Don't go for
>the "Oslo" dialect.  It's boring, dull, and has no personality.  No culture
>involved, if you know what I mean?
>
>The best way to learn is to go over and practise.  The real Vikings are
>found north of "Saltfjellet" (Salt-Mountain).  That's also where you find
>real culture, humor, and super-friendly people.  They know how to have a
>good time up there; and if you don't, they'll show ya'..

Well, if the reason was just to learn a language of which you
have no relation to, I would perhaps agree with you. But, why
learn North-Norwegian when all your relationship in Norway is ]s,
Tr|gstad and Spydeberg. The dialects in those areas is distinct
enough from Oslo language and it is the dialects which he belongs
to :-) So, if Jon should learn and practize, he should go and
visit (for a long period) his relatives in these areas.


Alf Christophersen
(one of the persons who has found some of Jons ancestors)

PS. Jon, did you contact the person I met and asced if you could
contact her?? Did you find some more ancestors???

Well, \stfold dialect is the right thing for you!

That is really a Viking dialect, coming from the origins (Vika)
of the prime Vikings.