From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:57:20 GMT
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In article <BtwyDw.D4K@rice.edu>, patrick@owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
> In article <12021@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <BtqrGC.935@rice.edu>, patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
# ## You damned idiot.  If homosexuals hold a parade, how are they forcing
# ## themselves on you?  Are they kidnapping you and dragging you down to make
# ## you participate?  It's funny that you have no qualms about supporting laws
# ## that tell *them* how to behave -- but God forbid YOU should have to be
# ## subject to the same rules...
# #
# #They are insisting that the government force people to hire homosexuals.
# #That's force.
# 
# Idiot.  If they're insisting it, that still doesn't mean the government
# will necessarily do it.  Just another case of "do as I say, not as I do"...

So the government will pass a law, and not enforce it.  Isn't trust
wonderful?  So is the tooth fairy.

# ## ## Are you people trying to start a civil war?
# ## ## 
# ## ## 								MPA
# ## #
# ## #Who is starting the civil war?  It's liberals, with their constant
# ## #need to run my life, tell me who to associate with, what charities
# ## #to fund, and what ideas I am allowed to express.
# ## 
# ## Name me a law that tells you who to associate with, what charities to fund,
# #
# #AB 2601, just passed by our legislature, and likely to be signed by
# #our governor.
# 
# That isn't a law, is it?  If it hasn't gone through the legislative procedure,

It probably will be shortly.

# it isn't.  (Besides that, just *how* does it tell you who to associate with?

It prohibits an employer from refusing to hire a homosexual.  (Actually,
because it doesn't define sexual orientation, I don't see how a
day care center could refuse to hire a guy wearing a North American
Man-Boy Love Association T-shirt, or someone with a history of rape
convictions).

# You never have offered one shred of evidence to back up that assertion -- other
# than just repeating your assertion, that is.)
# 
# #Charities?  AFDC?
# 
# Come on, Creamer -- admit it.  You're about as clueless as is possible.

AFDC isn't a charitable cause?

# ## or what ideas you can express.  For some reason, I don't seem to be able to
# #
# #Student speech codes at UC Berkeley and Stanford.
# 
# Laws, you bozo.  

UC Berkeley is a part of the state system.  It is therefore subject
to the First Amendment.

# ## find any in Texas...
# #
# #This is California, where liberals run everything.
# 
# According to you -- but, for some reason, you can't seem to provide any
# evidence to provide a little substance to your claims.  (Your whole whine
# here sounds suspiciously like you're just pissed because you're not getting
# what you consider to be your rightful share of the perks.)

Who is the presiding officer of each house of our legislature?  In
the Assembly, Willie Brown, universally agreed by the news media
and liberals to be a liberal.  In the state senate, David Roberti,
universally agreed to be a liberal.

# ## What a maroon -- in other words, Mike is liberal solely because he thinks
# ## homosexuals are people too, and you don't.  Guess what -- I'm in agreement
# #
# #No, because Mike has expressed enthusiasm for the rest of the fascist
# #agenda.
# 
# Sure, Claytoon.  And you're a rational debater, too.  I happen to have a little
# beachfront property I'd like to sell you, in that case.  It's in 
# South Dakota.

You engage in ad hominem attacks, rather than answer the question.
Mike has repeatedly taken the liberal position: support for the
continued operation of the National Endowment for the Arts, more
government spending on education, opposition to private schools,
etc.

# #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
# #Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
# #prohibition won't work.
# 
# Neither will homosexual prohibition, you nitwit.  
# 
# Patrick L. Humphrey(patrick@owlnet.rice.edu)Rice Networking & Computing Systems

Nor have I proposed such, nor would I.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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