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From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:05:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:

>By the way Nebraska has one of the largest circ rates in the country,
>I'm not surprised the truth makes your hair stand-up.

It doesn't make my hair stand up, nor do I consider any of this discussion
to involve "truth", only opinions regarding avisability.  I'd say there's
a more than fair chance that our expected child will _not_ be circumcised
if it's a boy.  To say that where I live has a high proportion of circum-
cized males only emphasizes another poster's point: a social norm is not
so trivial an item as some here would make it out to be, especially in
regards to a part of the anatomy that tends to be the butt of jokes or
criticism anyway.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler)
Subject: Re: Stocking stuffers
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:03:44 CST

In article <1992Dec12.224512.11808@leela.cs.orst.edu> uttla@ (Laura Utt) writes:
>I just have a simple question about stocking stuffers. What kinds
>of things do you put in an 8 month old's stocking? I have 2 little
>key ring teethers, but what kinds of other things could go into it?
>
>-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth)

Laura -

Can you give me a working email address that I can use to reach you?

Coni
clg@cray.com
From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:47:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.200254.11118@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:

[Ken's assumptions about Clare's husband deleted]

>  [nice editing...  you took out the trade (deal) we made where he
>  treks to the South Bronx twice a day, walks up 6 flights of urine-
>  reeking, bloodstained stairs and drives through pot-holed roads
>  and gun-sniping drug-infested streets to take my son to daycare.]

>  He also does the groceries in an unsafe neighborhood and goes to
>  the laundromat in an unsafe neighborhood.  I can't do these things
>  because I would get mugged.  So changing diapers is a small price
>  to pay, for these other special services.  In fact, I rather enjoy
>  changing diapers because I can play a game with my son, let him
>  wipe himself, wash him, and tell him to throw the dirty diaper
>  away.  I'm also doing the toilet training.

Clare:

I am glad to hear your husband does help out around the house, but you must
forgive the net for assuming he doesnt. I cant count how many times you have
posted on misc.kids complaining about your husband. You make him sound like
a particulary horrible person. I know I am not the only person on misc.kids
who wonders why you stay with him if he is as bad as you say, and if he isnt
as bad as you say, why are you being so disloyal.

I have noticed a pattern from you. You write a post complaining about your
husband, inlaws, or life in general. People feel bad for you, and post 
something in response. YOu complain because they didnt take into consideration
other facts. Of course these facts werent in your original posting, so how
could people know about it? 

My guess is that you would like to use the net to complain about your husband,
but would rather that none of us respond. If that is the case, please put
a warning at the top of your post, and we can all ignore it. Personally, I
find all the complaining a bit hard to take, especially when you follow up 
with an explanation that he isnt that bad.

Laura Floom
 


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: padgett@inyo.caltech.edu (Deborah Padgett)
Subject: Re: Christmas toys
Organization: Astronomy Department, University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:32:11 GMT


["...is 9 too young to get a chemistry set, or a microscope?"]

I would say that 9 is old enough for either. I had a microscope at age
6, a telescope at age 7, and a chemistry set by 9 or 10. I am now
an astronomer :-). Be sure and supervise the use of any potentially
dangerous chemicals, at least until you are sure of responsible behaviour.
Younger siblings can be a problem with chemistry sets. The microscope
would be more fun, since it invites creativity in what the child
looks at; however, beware of child cutting off eyelashes to view
under microscope as I did (!!!). Telescopes or (even better) binoculars
are great science toys also, but be sure to warn about the dangers
of viewing the Sun.

Debbie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: lisa - smiley lion publ.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:45:54 GMT

My mail has been bouncing for a while, don't know why. . .
anyway I know the book is published by Merrigold Press, but I don't know
the ISBN number. (The book is at home, I'm at work, hubby is at work too.)

I can check over the weekend and let you know Monday.

Tammy

vandenboom@eadm.ncsu.edu

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From: elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell)
Subject: Speech Change in 4yo
Reply-To: elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell)
Organization: "Intergraph Corp, Huntsville AL"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:01:37 GMT

I noticed something about my 4 year-old's speech that has
me puzzled.  He has always spoken pretty well and his speech
has been clear.  Over the past 2 weeks he has started to
change his "r"'s to "uh"'s.  Bear with me while I try to 
pronounce electronically.  For example, instead of "paper"
being pronounced "pay - per", he will say "pay - puh",
"Bear" goes to "Bay-uh", etc.
When I correct him, he will say it correctly. 

When I was about his age, I remember having a similar speech 
problem, and I became very shy as a result.

I am puzzled because it has come on fairly quickly after
having very good speech.  He has not been sick or had any
ear infections in a LONG time. I don't want to overreact 
to a non-problem, but I am concerned.  It seems to be
getting worse instead of better.

Anybody got any ideas?

Thanks (once again) for your advice.

-- 

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Ellen Howell                    *  "Ow: The first word spoken by children
elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com *   with older siblings."
(205)730-6873                   *                       -- Joyce Armorz
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From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:59:56 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: I don't want to be scrooge (long)
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1992Dec11.161306.5020@cs.brown.edu>, by mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine):
> during the holiday week.  Also, not to make extreme decisions based on
> your own frustration with being manipulated by your mother-in-law, and
> to be sure that you approach any difficult discussions with her with
> the *full* support of your husband (who probably is being manipulated
> by her as well).  Otherwise, you probably will get nowhere.

I'd also recommend assertiveness training for all of the adults involved
(except the matriarch, of course :-).

I'm currently getting a REAL good course on assertiveness -- in the war
zones of a "behavior intervention class", where the kids will push you over
the brink unless you're assertive to the max.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.jpunix.com   Dodson Elementary
 (713) 664-6446                             Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Colic
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:26:15 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <Bz2AKu.9Ew@inews.Intel.COM> vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
>I've been following the posts on how to deal with difficult babies and many
>people have said they thought their baby might have colic.  I was wondering
>what is colic and what are the signs that a baby has colic (other than 
>general fussiness and crying)?  How does a baby get colic, at what ages,
>and how long does it last? Is it something that can be treated or do parents
>and baby just have to wade it out? I guess all these posts on difficult 
>and crying babies are making me nervous. ;-)
>
>Valerie Noronha
>due 3-10-93

After suffering from our first child's colic for several weeks we
discovered a solution that really worked, and we haven't had any
problems since then with our other two children either.  It is
called a chamomile wrap.  Completely natural and soothing.
For details, better write to my wife, Janet, at the Compuserve 
address below.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Dec16.175240.18771@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1gqa52INN349@network.ucsd.edu> <1gqi2dINN8q2@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:50:20

In article <1gqi2dINN8q2@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

   I would have loved to have a walker if 
   only our floors weren't all carpeted. We don't have any stairs in the house, 
   so the danger aspect simply didn't apply.

The danger of falling down the stairs didn't apply.  The danger of
scooting over and sticking your fingers in the electric socket, for
example, or pulling a hot frying pan off the stove, would still apply.
My sister put her daughter in a walker, figuring that she wouldn't be
able to reach out beyond the tray and grab things.  Wrong!  Emily
zipped right over the the electric socket, which she could, in fact,
reach quite easily.

Naturally, Paula is a careful parent who would've supervised Will in a
walker.  But evidently many parents don't.

-- Anne

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: susanh@ossi.com (Susan Hunts)
Subject: Re: Pacifier Usage?
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:00:23 GMT

In article <Bz1zn8.72y@inews.Intel.COM> vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
>
>And my question is should one even introduce a pacifier?  I'm expecting my
>first and planning to breastfeed.  Are there other techniques I can use to
>calm the baby?  Does a pacifier provide some real benefit to the baby like
>helping to ease teething pain? Has anyone successfully not used a pacifier?
>Is it OK to let the baby just comfort nurse instead or will this cause
>greater problems in the long run?
>
>Valerie Noronha
>due 3-10-93

I've only got a little over 3 months of experience as a mom but I'll
give my experience.  My son gets a lot of soothing from a pacifier.
He will also suck on a finger which you might consider as an alternative
for a pacifier. (Orient your finger so the pad is touching the top
of his mouth.)  We used fingers a lot in the first few weeks until
I found a small pacifier and he caught on to the use of it.  (Note
that there is a tongue-thrusting which usually goes with sucking so
an infant may tend to spit out a pacifier immediately even though
he would like to suck on it; he just hasn't figured out how to use
it yet.)

(Most infants have a strong need to suck beyond their feeding needs.
I see nothing wrong with satisfying this need by whatever means --
pacifier, finger, breast, ...  A pediatric nurse I know says that
most babies will naturally outgrow the pacifier when they outgrow
this sucking need sometime during the first year.  As long as the
pacifier or whatever is used in response to this need, as opposed
to becoming part of a general routine, most babies will lose
interest on their own.  YMMV, of course.)

One problem that I have with comfort nursing is that it often doesn't
work.  The baby wants to suck, I offer a breast, he sucks a little
and then screams.  The reason -- he wants to suck, not eat, so he
is angry at receiving breastmilk.  Offering a finger or pacifier
calms him down. 

-- Susan (who was probably a cow in a previous life)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: ___ Hepatitis B Vaccine ____
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:50:37 GMT

In article <7509@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> delanzo@hri.com (Michael DeLanzo) writes:

>How necessary is this? Is everyone having their children vaccinated for
>this disease? What is the general consensus?

If your child is in the high rish group it is certainly worth it. Better 
check with a pediatrician.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:16:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: misc
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Summary: oh, for Pete's sake!

In article <dlhanson.16.724534415@nap.amoco.com> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson ) writes:
>
>Sesame Street is NOT great.  Jane Healy has a whole chapter in
>"Endangered Minds - Why Children Can't Think and What To Do About It"
>on the damage that Sesame Street does to young childrens' minds. 
>In a nutshell, the fast moving "non-reality" images are not good for
>children. If anything thinks they are helping their children by sitting them
>in front of the TV, think again. (Healy's book is highly recommended for
>all parents; it is especially important for those who ship their children
>off to a daycare center or use the TV to keep them occupied.)	

Well, heavens, I've shipped (that would be in a cardboard box, UPS)
my kids off to childcare centers where the teacher-child ratio
is _at_ _least_ 1-to-20 and where they promise that the kids are
kept occupied all day with only the highest-quality children's
tv programs and where they are offered nourishing snacks like
Kool-Aid & cookies at least twice a day...and they 
seem to be turning out just fine.

Sue



>
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>"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am
>God, and there is none else."
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>Any opinions expressed are my own!
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Request: Gift suggestions for 6yo boy
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:59:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

I'm buying a gift for a disadvantaged family for Christmas, and they
have a 6yo boy.  My own children are very young, so I'm not sure
what a 6 year old would like.  Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

- Cindy Windham
From: steve@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Steve Hiller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:57:34 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research, Edinburgh University

My two year old and I will defend Kermit to the death
(pass me my soother, please).
From: choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:05:52 GMT

(Clare Chu) writes:
>  My husband won't change poopy or peepee diapers unless the baby's butt is
>  going to fall off and neither me nor his mother is around.
>  I also work outside of the home 8 hours+ a day.  And he only
>  plays with the baby while I cook or clean.  And no, I didn't know
>  this before I was married...  :-(  He thinks driving my son to his
>  mother and back is just compensation for diaper changing.  Actually
>  I'd rather do the diaper changing than driving into the warzone
>  South Bronx twice a day and carrying him up and down the stinky
>  stairs in the projects (reeks of urine and bloodstained).

If its any consolation, my sister's husband is like that too. And
she makes twice as much money at her job than him.  It drives me crazy
to see her do all the housework, cooking, most of the babycare and 
work 8+ hours too.  Who do these guys think they are?

Excuse me for being so nosy...but what nationality is your husband? I read
some posting you made in scaa (which I don't subscribe to anymore) and
wondered this in passing.

diana


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:25:05 GMT

In <cindy.184@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:

>When I was in the hospital, after giving birth to my second child, I
>was mulling over whether or not to have him circumcised.  I was
>leaning towards "not" based on discussions with several pediatricians,
>and I had a conversation with my hospital roommate which convinced me
>not to.  She was had just given birth to a baby girl, and had an older
>child, a boy.  Her boy had been circumcised at birth, and was then about
>5 years old.  She said that his circumcision had led to numerous infections,
>and to that day he still had problems resulting from the circumcision.  I
>had never heard of this kind of complication due to circumcision, all I
>ever hear about are the possible complications from not circumcising -
>I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has heard of or experienced
>complications from circumcision.  BTW, my son is now 1 1/2yo and he has
>not had any problems from not being circumcised.  I think this is a 
>personal decision, and I'm not telling anyone what to do, so put your
                     

	

                     
                     
                      
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Yes, there have been complications from infant circumcisions,
the medical profession has been usaully reluctant to discuss them and
usually lists circumcision as an exceptional low risk procedure.
When I was in LA at the first international symposium on circumcision
in 1989, a couple from the Seattle area brought their son who was for
all normal purposes a brain damaged child unable to even feed himself.
The problem ocurred after an antibiotic was given to control a
post circumcision infection. The parents said if they had been counseled
before the circumcision they would not have put their son through it.
I never heard if they prevailed in their malpractice case.
The poor child was physically "beautiful",but a severly retarded
and paralyzed boy. 

Two other children lost their penises in a Atlanta circumcision.
One boy was converted into a girl;the other will be a sexual cripple.
These extreme cases are rare,but they have happened and within the last
decade in the USA.. with a medical establishment that continues to
ask parents routinely if they wish to circumcise if a boy has been born.
I persoanlly think this a violation of medical ethics,but try to find
a judge or jury who will agree.

--
                       Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
              Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
              University of Vermont @ Burlington
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:27:37 GMT
Organization: (Evil Eye Creature from Mars, Inc.)
Followup-To: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards

In article <1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu>,
kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) wrote:
> So now...what do you have to say to a person who intends to have his kid
> circumcised because he looks at his circumcision as *an advantage*?

I'm curious to know what the advantage is. For instance up in my original
part of the world (Nordic countries) few kids are ever circumsized, and
it's 
considered to be a religious ritual rather than a practical one.

Are you a Jew? I guess in that sense it makes sense to continue with
the traditions, so the advantage is peace in the family.

Personally I would never do anything like that to my kid, I don't like
them suffer in vain. But that's my own opinion. And BTW my kid is 
not circumsized, but I assume he will make it OK in this cruel world, hehe.

Kent
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From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When To Turn Car Seat?
Keywords: When To Turn Car Seat?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <1992Dec18.165407.13268@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
|> 
|> I suspect that 36 months would also be safer. It is safer to rear facing in
|> an accident. I am not sure there would be leg room for that long though. 
|> Maybe seats are different in Sweden.

I tried to keep my kids rear facing as long as possible, but the 
legroom was definitely the deciding factor in when to turn them.
With my son, I think that was about 13 months, with my daughter,
who is taller, it was a couple weeks ago at 11 months.  We have
Fisher-Price seats, which when rear facing rest up against the
back seat of the car.  My daughter was beginning to have to cross
her legs to fit.  If I'd kept my son rear facing until he was
3, his knees would have been up under his chin.  I'm not sure that
would have been very safe.  They _must_ have different seats in
Sweden!

Judy Drake
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do you speak Australian? Read Graeme Base?
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:46:08 GMT
Organization: Mincom

In article <NICHAEL.92Dec11101223@kariba.bbn.com>, nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.182231.2160@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>    In article <9212101608.AA27285@thoon.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>    >I love Graeme Base's books, but I have a little trouble with some of
>    >his rhymes. I suspect that they work in Australian, but not in
>    >American. Can someone explain to me how to rhyme "fore" with "paw"
>    Easy. In Boston fore is pronounced fawh and clearly
>    fawh rhymes pretty well with paw.
> 

I pronounce fore just as I pronounce four (homonymically!) and they both
rhyme with law, paw, more, jaw etc. So please, how can you pronounce fore
so that it doesn't rhyme with paw? Forree (rhyming with sorry), or for with 
a short o as on forehead (forruhd).

We get lots of American TV over here (too much!) and I'd never noticed
anything different in fore - perhaps I've never heard it. Certainly 
nothing on the scale of the tomato/tomayto, banana/bananna differences.
(Americans - thats your pronunciation second in those pairs. I say tomarto
and banarna to your ears.)
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anita@mincom.oz.au
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