HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fox@pt0204.pto.ford.com (Ken Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: alternate fonts with cantata
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:34:17 GMT


I've just gotten Khoros (patch level 5) compiled and working a few days ago
and have been experimenting with various resource settings.  I think I've
discovered a bug in cantata (at least an undocumented limitation).  This
resource setting (this is a non-proportional font):

cantata*font: -adobe-new century schoolbook-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*

causes cantata to calculate the width of the command buttons much larger
than they should be.  This seems to be due to the fact that the maximum
width, height, descent and ascent of the chosen font is used for character
positioning instead of some other more appropriate (like average?) character
size.  It seems to me that this size information is simply used to locate
widgets on the form, so it isn't terribly important that the size be exact.

The only place where this information seems to be used is in
~khoros/src/xvroutines/Lib/xvforms/init.c.

Would anything break if I replace the calculation of xvf_font_height and
xvf_font_width with something more appropriate for proportional fonts?  Are
my previously stated assumptions correct?  Or is there a better fix?

		thanks in advance...

-- 
Ken Fox (fox@pt0204.pto.ford.com)

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From: HERR@embl-heidelberg.de (STEFAN HERR)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: converter xxx2pict
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:20:27 GMT

Hi,

I am looking for a converter that converts preferable viff (or any other common
image file format) into a pict file (our slidewriter only understands pict).
Maybe somebody knows in addition where I could find a description of the pict
format.

Thanks in advance ....

---Stefan

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From: ger@cv.ruu.nl (Ger Timmens)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Copyright Information
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:25:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40844

X-Operating System : HP-UX A.08.07 E
X-Phone            : +31-30-506711
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Dear Sirs,

The 3D Computer Vision Research Group of the Utrecht University Hospital
at Utrecht, the Netherlands is currently investigating Khoros to its
suitability for our research projects.

Since I need to decide real soon whether our group is going to use Khoros
in the future I would like to have some additional information about the
Khoros copyrights, since we collaborate with several companies.
All software developed by our research group is made available to these
collaborating companies.

We would like to know whether we need some additional license
agreement to distribute our software (developed under Khoros) to
those companies.

Furthermore we would like to know whether we need such an agreement
if we develop our software under the Khoros system, but use our
own image format (so not using the VIFF format) ?

With kind regards,

      Ger Timmens
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From: woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315)
Subject: Wanted: list of i486 certified hardware
Reply-To: woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:27:30 GMT

When Microsoft released its July version of Windows NT, they
included a list of hardware on which their OS had been tested.
Does a similar list exist for the i486 version of NeXTStep 3.0?

Besides LocalBus and 400 MB disk and CD-ROM, what else is
necessary?

Thanks.  Please E-mail responses.

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Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 15:09:23 -0400 
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NeXT Step on RS/6000?

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next: 6-Oct-92 NeXT Step on RS/6000?
Virtual Dave@rodan.acs.s (933)

>Hi,
>I once heard someone say you could run NeXTStep on an IBM RS/6000
>workstation because they both use the Mach kernal. I called
>all over the country talking to NeXT and IBM, and no one seems
>to have a definitive answer. Finally someone in Cambridge suggested
>I ask on the net. He mentioned Carnegie Mellon in particular. 
>
>So here it is, has anyone ported NeXTStep to another platform?
>I know about NeXT working on the Intel 486 version. We have lots
>of RS/6000's and just want the OS. The other platform that would be
>nice is the SGI's. I would apprieciate any thoughts and would be
>glad to post a summary.

NeXTstep != Mach.  Mach is a replacement kernel for Unix machines
developed by a graduate student (avie) at Carnegie Mellon.  Mach offers
the same system-level functionality (ie. a standard set of about 100
system calls) as other Unix kernels, but with more efficiency, better
means of inter-process communication, better support for lightweight
threads and multiprocessor machines, and better virtual memory, in a
smaller package.  

His initial version spawned the Mach project at CMU, with a lot more
people working on it.  NeXTs use this second major version (around v2.5,
if I remember correctly).  I don't know what version the RS/6000 uses.

NeXTstep is an object-oriented environment consisting of a Display
Postscript windowing system, Objective-C, the best development
environment available on any machine (InterfaceBuilder, DPS, the AppKit,
etc), and an assumption that the machine running NeXTstep satisfies a
high minimal hardware functionality (8 Mb RAM, virtual memory & hardware
memory protection, greater than 10 MIPS, a large display, etc). 
NeXTstep could probably be made to work on a non-Mach kernel, but I
certainly wouldn't guarantee it.

The source code to NeXTstep is a proprietary trade secret of NeXT, Inc
(and probably the most valuable thing NeXT has).  NeXT would have to be
the ones to attempt any porting efforts to a specific machine (such as
the RS/6000).  NeXT supposedly has NeXTstep running on a number of
machines; perhaps, if you represent a large enough opportunity, NeXT
would be willing to discuss the situation with you.  It can't hurt to
ask; but do so to NeXT, Inc. directly-- the people on the Internet
aren't going to be the ones that can give you what you're asking for.

-Chuck

+---------------------------------------------+ 
|  Charles William Swiger -- CMU sucks rocks  | "The television screen is the
|   AMS & normal mail: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu   | retina of the mind's eye."
|    NeXTmail: <temporarily out of order>     |           
+---------------------------------------------+            --Videodrome
Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:52:31 CST
From:         Timothy Bergeron <C09615TB@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Organization: Washington University
To:           "WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU Netnews Server" <NETNEWS@WUVMD>
Subject:      Error Compiling GOPHERD with NeXT & WAIS Searching
Newsgroups:   comp.infosystems.gopher

I'm trying to compile Gopherd 1.03 with NeXT and WAIS 8-b5 searching on my
NeXT. GOPHERD comiles fine with no searching or with NeXT searching. When I
compile it using both, I get the following:

Making server with NeXT and WAIS searching
cc -O -DDATA_DIRECTORY=\"/gopher\"  -DDOMAIN_NAME=\".ecs.wustl.edu\"  -DGOPHER_
PORT=70  -DNEXTSEARCH -DWAISSEARCH    -I../object -I.. -I../ir -I../ui -c
waisgopher.c
In file included from gopherd.h:10, from waisgopher.c:29:
/usr/include/netdb.h:15: redefinition of `struct hostent'
/usr/include/netdb.h:28: redefinition of `struct netent'
/usr/include/netdb.h:35: redefinition of `struct servent'
/usr/include/netdb.h:42: redefinition of `struct protoent'
/usr/include/netdb.h:48: redefinition of `struct rpcent'
In file included from globals.h:15, from gopherd.h:70, from waisgopher.c:29:
../object/boolean.h:8: warning: useless keyword or type name in declaration
*** Exit 1
Stop.
*** Exit 1
Stop.

Does anyone know what might be wrong?

Timothy Bergeron
Washington University
St. Louis, MO
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: PC Gopher II v1.05r3 Released
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:14:38 GMT

Has this gopher client been tested with Appletalk networks?  Can it
run on top of the LOCALTLK.COM class-5 packet driver?

Thanks,
-Dave
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From: henny@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Henny Bekker)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: graphical capabilities of gopher clients
Summary: question of the graphical capabilities of gopher clients
Keywords: gopher videotex cwis
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:01:56 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht


Hello All,

	Sorry for my ignorance about the gopher protocol..  I have a
question about the graphic capablities of some of the gopher clients..

My problem is:
  I have to know if it is possible to build a CWIS in gopher with sort
  of the same (preferable better :-)) graphic capablities as videotex
  oriented information systems.
In videotex it is possible to have color output with can exist of text,
lines and some mathematical figures. (let say it is like the extended
ASCII character set for IBM-PC's or the DIGITAL international character
set.)

Eg. On our Unix gopher-server (gopher.cc.ruu.nl) I've a ANSI formated
file (/van allerlij/test (with VT100 escape-sequences)).  With the gopher
client on the Unix system I'm able to see the lines and invers-video
fields.  With the PC or the Mac version's of the gopher client I cannot
see this image.  Here I'm getting the ESC-sequence as the are in the file.
So the are not interpreted by the gopher-client.. (although the PC is
ANSI oriented ??  Or am I mistaken ??)

So my real question is:
  How to display a semi graphic oriented text, device independed like
  videotex, with a Unix-based gopher-server for all the gopher clients ???

(Is such a thing part of the gopher-protocol or not ??)

I hope someone can help me with this question..  It's outcome is important 
for the choise of medium for our CWIS.. (eg videotex or gopher ;-()

Cheers, Henny Bekker

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Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: Jan.vOorschot@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Jan van Oorschot)
Subject: Re: snmp gateway : -)
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:26:40 GMT

schemers@leland.Stanford.EDU (Roland Schemers) writes:

I think it would be fairly cool to have
>some sort of gopher<->snmp gateway to browse a host's mib table. 

>For example:

> -->  1.  SNMP Agent <?>

>Then you would type in a host that you want to browse. You would have this
>return a directory containing the mib tree, or directories containing
>pre-formated views of the SNMP data.


        i'v been working on a combination of Perl, my own Tricklet
        SNMP library and gopher. I am using is to test our
        Beholder RMON MIB monitor. It's real handy, quick-and-dirty
        Perl scripts easily accessed and organised using gopher.
        
J        
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From: boone@convex.cl.msu.edu (Dennis Boone)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Re: Displaying images
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:05:29 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, East Lansing

In article <1bi5iaINN1f3@golem.wcc.govt.nz> brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie) writes:
>Which gopher clients support the displaying of imgaes ?
>I hope I've got it right, that its a function of the client not the server.
>Xgopher1.1a won't acknowledge the files exist.  TurboGopher displays
>the entries but says its an unsupported format and the unix client
>tries to display it (yes, GIF on a vt100 hmmm) but of course can't.

Don Gilbert's Mac client, one of the X clients (at least with aftermarket
modifications), the UT DOS port of the Curses client.  The NeXT client 
could do it easily, and may soon.

Dennis
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 == If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. ==
From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Re: Query: Is gopher useful for local information only?
Keywords: gopher information local
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct14.024406.25661@maths.tcd.ie>, tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy
Murphy) writes:
|> Is it worth installing gopher on a machine without Internet connection?
|> Our local gods do not allow us to use our main machines for ftp.
|> We have to nominate another machine which students cannot access.
|> (Don't ask me why -- man proposes, system administrator disposes.)
|> 
|> I'm thinking of it simply as a way of organising information
|> for local consumption.

I don't see why not; there's nothing to say that you have to have links to
other gopher servers, ftp sites etc. Go for it :-)
-- 
_____________________________________________________________
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From: helper@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: vt100 gopher
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:15:16 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

Is there a vt100 version of gopher?

Arthur Wilson                                  Telephone: 031-650 3323
Documentation Team                                   Fax: 031-662 4809
Edinburgh University Computing Service      email from EU: A.Wilson@ed
University Library                              from A.Wilson@uk.ac.ed
George  Square                    from bitnet: A.Wilson%ed.ac.uk@UKACRL
EDINBURGH EH8 9LJ                 from UUCP: A.Wilson%ed.ac.uk@ukc.uucp
From: mrubin@cs.umb.edu (Mark Rubin)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: numb record in link files
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:21:31 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I am currently running v1.02 of gopher on our unix machines. I had noticed
a problem with numb in that on the top-level menu only numb=1 would
work, but in any sum-menu numb=(*anything*) would work fine. Is this a
problem with the release or just a local problem? And does v1.03 for
unix fix this?

Thanks.
-Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: The definitive collection of Internet-accessible libraries?
Summary: Was re: Library connections available
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:16:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bw2Czv.GHz
Followup-To: <1687BA0DD.MAHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Organization: Ministry of Information, William's Marsh

Congratulations to Marie-Christine Mahe <mahe-marie-christine@yale.edu>
for gopherizing the Billy Barron/HYTELNET collection of
Internet-accessible libraries.

However, I'm still confused, and I'm in danger of passing on my
confusion to my users.  My prototype Rice CWIS currently contains the
following directory:


                                   Libraries

 -->  1.  About this directory.
      2.  Rice University library catalog (LIBRIS)
      3.  .....................................................
      4.  About the MSU collection of library catalogs.
      5.  Other library catalogs listed by Location (from MSU)/
      6.  Other library catalogs listed by Type (from MSU)/
      7.  Instructions for library catalogs by Type (from MSU)/
      8.  Library Bulletin Boards Systems (from MSU)/
      9.  .....................................................
      10. About the Hytelnet/Barron/Mahe Catalogs (from Yale).
      11. Catalogs Listed by Location (from Yale)/
      12. Catalogs Search by Keyword (from Yale) <?>
      13. Instructions for different catalog types (from Yale)/
      14. Reference Materials About Library Catalogs (from Yale)/
      15. .....................................................
      16. Other library catalogs (another list from UMinn)/
      17. New publications from the Library of Congress/
      18. Barron's Guide to On-line Bibliographic Databases/
      19. St. George Guide to Internet-Accessible Libraries and Databases/


Have any of these collections of library links emerged as the
definitive one?  At least the last time I looked, the MSU and UMinn
collections each contained information lacking in the other.  It's
possible that the Mahe collection is a superset of them both, but even
so the MSU collection includes views both by geography and by software
type, a useful feature which may be friendlier to Gopher neophytes than
Mahe's (also very useful) keyword search.

If there is not yet a definitive collection of Internet libraries, are
there any plans afoot to merge the above efforts into a single standard
we can focus on?  Thanks.

-- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
-- Unix Systems Programmer, Office of Networking and Computing Systems
-- Rice University, POB 1892, Houston, TX 77251 / Mudd 208 / 713-285-5327
-- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:18:40 -0500
Original-To: gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu
From: Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu
Subject: Recalling Sextant 1.0b21
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Distribution: comp

I have enough reports of problems with Sextant 1.0b21 to remove it from
distribution. I had hoped to have the problems fixed early this week, but
haven't and will be out of town for several days. I will notify this list
when a fixed version of Sextant is available.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

-- Andrew

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From: RBNTJC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Thomas J Cozzolino)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Gopher, WAIS, WWW and CD-ROM - Possible?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:00:20 GMT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

It seems that lots and lots of data is becoming available on CD-ROM, and
accessed over LANs (Novell, and others).

What is this group's thoughts about allowing this data to be accessed by
Gopher/WAIS (and/or WWW)?  Does the Gopher+ spec, and the Z39.50 spec allow
for this to happen?

If the CD-ROM data is in Hypertext form, can we use these nifty tools to get
at it?  Or am I dreaming?

Comments/catcalls are welcome..

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+======================================================+
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: lindner@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Paul Lindner)
Subject: Re: Help With TurboGopher Client -Manual???#2
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:18:39 GMT

In <1992Oct14.021224.12009@leland.Stanford.EDU> schemers@leland.Stanford.EDU (Roland Schemers) writes:

>>it would be easy enough for servers to prompt for a site to connect to and
>>then transport you there, however, i don't know who has done that work.
>>

>This would be a simple go4gw script :-) Basically it would be an index
>type. Whatever you type in would be sent to a go4gw script:
[....]

Okay, here you are, a valient 10 minute hack..  Works fine it seems...

-----snip----snip-----snip------
#!/usr/local/bin/perl

#----------------------------------------------------------------------
# variables you should change:

$FTPhost = "ashpool.micro.umn.edu";
$FTPport = 70;

#----------------------------------------------------------------------

sub ftphack_main {
    local($_) = @_;

    if (/^$/) {
        &Greply("7Query a specific ftp site\t$Ggw\t$Ghost\t$Gport");
        &Greply(".");
        exit(0);
    }
    else {
        &Greply("1Link to ftp server$_\tftp:$_@/\t$FTPhost\t$FTPport");
        &Greply(".");
    }
    exit(0);

}



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Date: 14 Oct 1992 07:54:54 -0800
From: pramod_pandya@qmbridge.calstate.edu ("Pramod Pandya")
Subject: TCP/Connect II vs. NCSA Tel
Original-To: "Gopher" <gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Distribution: comp

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               TCP/Connect II vs. NCSA Telnet


  I understand that the Gopher program currently supports NCSA Telnet, i.e
one can save a session as a Telnet session - In such a case one would need
NCSA Telnet to execute the Telnet document to get to the service provided
by that session. Is there a plan to support other Telent programs within
Gopher
 like TCP/Connect II - TCP/Connect also supports Telnet documents - but
since Gopher supports NCSA Telnet ther is no way of converting the NCSA
Telnet document to TCP/Connect document - So what I am asking is that - Is
ther a plan to support TCP/Connect or does anyone have a program to conver
NCSA Telnet session to TCP/Connect session????


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