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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:10:17 GMT
From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: IQ (ha!)
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>A liberal train leaves New York at 2pm.
>A conservative train leaves Indiana at 2pm.
>Assume they are on a single track and moving a constant speed of 60 mph
>toward each other (ie on a collision course).
>Assume that the distance between NY and IN is 300 miles (for simplicity).
>A media fly starts hopping from one train to the other at a greater unknown
>speed, starting 2pm.
>How many miles journey does the media fly undergo before joining in the
>inevitable train wreck?

That reminds me of another story.

A wealthy man with a beautiful daughter promised her and his fortune
to the man who could walk across a field to her. But he laid down a
rule that they had to cross the field in stages, the first stage being
to go halfway across the field, the send stage to be half the
remaining distance, and so on.

A mathematician on hearing of the challenge realised at once that it
was impossible, and left.

A physicist started off, got halfway there, then three quarters then
seven eigths and so on. In time he realised that the quest was
impossible and he too left.

An engineer started off, got halfway, then three quarters, then seven
eigths and said "well, to a second order approximation that's near
enough", and ran off with the girl and the loot.

Er, not much politics there. Sorry.

Watch this space for details of Iraqgate, the story of some British
machine tools which found their way to an Iraqi chemical weapons
factory during the arms embargo associated with the Iran/Iraq war. Did
the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (the self styled
President of the Board of Trade) really try to gag documents which
would, if they hadn't been leaked, have meant three innocent men going
to prison ? Did the Secretary of State for Defence know ? Does it
spell curtains for the Home Secretary ? DOES THE BUCK STOP WITH THE
PRIME MINISTER HIMSELF ?
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:18:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Odin's day (was re: 1996)

>I was taught that Wednesday is derived from Odin's Day (or Wodin's day, if
>you prefer).  Thursday is Thor's day.  Saturday is Saturn's day or Sabbath,
>depending on your preference :)  That's all I can think of for weekdays
>without consulting a dictionary.  Of course, in Spanish it's different :)

thanks to you and julie for the info. it was sortof tongue in cheek, but jess
will find it interesting. he's just now getting an interest in norse gods.
i'm 1/4 norwegian (the rest italian), so he'll think it's neat that the days
are named after norse gods.

>lookin' forward to those v-beers; after an entire afternoon of freshman
>advising, I'll need it!

well, we have 1 hr. and 40 minutes till beer time. the way the last 2 days
have gone i think a couple of real beers may chase the virtuals.

take care,
-linda
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:55:00 EST
From:         Song Weaver <JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "President Clinton"
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Evelyn:

I think a lot of people attack one another based on irrelevant issues
due to a lack of security and feeling of self-worth.  I.e., when somone
runs out of other ways to show someone up, they just go for really
stupid things, like some presidential candidates I might not mention.
Basically, what often happens after a point is that people find more
instant gratification from the quick jibe than they do from the reasoned
challenge.  So they go for that and forget that they are even capable of
any self-respect.  Eventually it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Another thing is that we are often taught to believe that in order
to attain self worth we have to be somehow BETTER than others, rather
than judging ourselves by our own standards.

Just some thoughts which may have a lot more impact on Politics than
we want to believe.

--Julie
From: sbc3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SHAWN BRENDON CREWS)
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Subject: Re: electoral collage and question from my 9-yr-old
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:48:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <01GQVEAEQXQO001OMR@drew.drew.edu>, JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET writes:
>In article <tfilt379749@drew.edu>, andy <2893684@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA> writes:
***********Material deleted**************
>P.S. Anyone hear any mention of Thomas Kean as a possible presidental
>or vice-presidental candidate?
>
    I have not heard of him being considered as a candidate for president or
    vice-president, but I read in the Dow Jones News Report that Bill Clinton
    was considering him for Secretary of Education (I think that was the
    position.  He was being seriously considered for some Cabinet position.).

                                    -Shawn-
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:51:24 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Re: abortion (was Calooh! Callay!)

In article <01GQZGI80C148WWGA0@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>,
JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (Song Weaver) says:
>
>Robert responds to someone (I'm not sure who):
>>>Please give us some statistics concerning the mortality rates of women
>>>undergoing legal and illegal abortions. I am unaware of one woman ever dying
>>>at a legal abortion clinic in Canada while it is quite common for women to
>>>die of botched illegal abortions whether self-induced or performed by a back
>>>street operator.
>>
>>Quite common?  Just how common is that?  How can you demand that Steve
>>provide statistics for his arguments and at the same provide none of your
>>own?  This is a tactic of the left that I find most annoying.
>>
>>---Robert
>
As I have said before, the greatest cause of death among women of childbearing
age in Peru is death due to complications by botched abortions, by contrast
I am anaware of any women dying in like fashion at legal clinics here. In
future, please pay attention before you make a comment.
From: jse2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON STEVEN EUCULANO)
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Subject: Recycling Democrats
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:14:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Seems to me that Mr. Gore should be very happy.  We have just recycled the
dispair in this country with their election.  I've seen these guys before....
where?....  That's right.  Johnson and Carter.
                            Jayce
P.S.  Question:  Are there condoms made of recycled laytex?  There may be in a
few months if "Mr. Ozone" has his way.  See what I mean, I recycle as does
almost everyone else, but there is an extent to which it all becomes quite
ludicrous.  How many garbage cans will we be forced to have in our kitchens?
will we be able to get in the door?  To be answered in the next (oh no!) four
years......
                            KEMP/BAKER '96!!!!!!!
From: BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE (james p mcbride)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 20:12:47 GMT
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:57:56 CST
From:         erteltsa@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU
Subject:      RE: Steve and "studies"
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It is in reference to various studies conducted by various researchers.
I can't think of many names off-hand, but I do recall that Scarr and Soumi have
published research showing the ill effects of children raised in such
atmospheres.
--Steve
From: MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU (K=A*T)
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Subject: Re: "President Clinton"
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:33:15 GMT
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              6 Nov 1992 00:29:48 GMT from <jse2@NS1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU>

From:         "(JASON STEVEN EUCULANO)" <jse2@NS1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU>

> I'm wondering something here.  Who did you support in the PA senate race,
> Arlan Specter or Lynn "I have no political experience and am proud of it"
> Yeakel?  By the way if you said Yeakel, she started running for the sole
> purpose of how Specter did his job in the Hill-Thomas hearings.

> Jayce

Which is much more than many other complainers do.  Don't you
respect THAT?

--KAT
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Subject: Re: Calooh! Callay!
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:00:09 GMT
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>How can you say that the Pats solicited more votes for Marrou? Libertarians are
>liberal socially and the Pats are ultra-conservative.
>--Steve

	More like drove them away.  If you want example of people who fled the
Republican Party because of people like Pat Robertson, you're looking at one.
(Virtually, of course)

Brett'
From: CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Calooh! Callay!
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:57:00 GMT
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If Pat was marvelous at the convention, does that mean you rank hate crimes,
ignorant intolerance and racism up there as marvelous, too?

-T.

"A good way to believe in the gods we have created is to convince others of
 their existence."

                -DeMello, _Taking Flight_
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:18:00 EDT
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Pat Buchannan

Steve:

        Using Freud to back up statements concerning psychology is about
as reliable as using Aristotle to back up medical claims.  Although recognized
as a pioneer, every major Freudian theory has been thoroughly debunked.  And yes
, we can come to you (and not the "neo-freudians" - whoever they are) since
you referenced Freud in your argument.

        Also, homophobia is not something one recognizes about themselves - in
fact, denial is a major symptom in one who's already shown tendencies towards
it.  I'd watch out if I were you.

        It's getting really tiring responding to you on very basic points.  I
get a heck of a lot of money when I call this "tutoring".  I welcome anyone
to post anything they like - just a plea: READ a bit before you do!


-T.

"The donkey that brings you to the door is not the means by which you
 enter the house."

                        -DeMello.
From: jfisher@NETXWEST.COM ((Jonathan Fisher))
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Subject: Re: Politics and Celebrities
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:24:04 GMT
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> 	Really?  Isn't Eastwood the mayor of a town in California also?
> Or is that one of the other movie stars that I always get mixed up?
> Perhaps the party should contact Eastwood about doing some promotional
> appearances...
> 						Robert Head
> 						rhead@s850.mwc.edu
>

Clint WAS the mayor of Carmel.  He didn't run for re-election a
couple (few?) years ago.  I have no idea of his political affiliation.

Jonathan
From: E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX.BITNET (Steve Rafferty)
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Subject: Re: Poor losers!
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:48:33 GMT
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Brett' :

>1888  Cleveland     48.62%  The other guy (TM) one this one.  Are these his
                                numbers?

Brett' is right.  Harrison won in 1888.  48.62% is Cleveland's share of the
popular vote - Harrison got 47.82%.

Mea culpa.

Steve R.
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:13:00 EST
From:         Song Weaver <JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pat Buchannan
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Steve:

You've cleared up nothing for me.  I would like to see _any_ indication
that children raised with two parents of the same sex come out in some
way "different" from children raised with two parents of different sexes.
Show me some PROOF.  Show me studies.  Show me research.  Show me SOMETHING
to back your statement up.  Furthermore, tell me what gives you justi-
fication for using the term "normal" to refer to heterosexuality.  Buchannan
does not use the term "Deviant" as a scientific term.  He uses it in order
to stigmatize the notion of homosexuality as something evil.  I don't know
exactly what else to say about this because I do not believe you will admit
anything about Buchannan's attitudes becauyse I don't think you really want
to do so.  I can post more direct quotes from the man, but you will just
claim he is this nice fellow who doesn't hate homosexuals but simply thinks
that those among us are not heterosexual are in some way evil or vile.  I
have nowhere else to go with this.  What WOULD convince you that somene
was Homophobic?  What would YOU think classifies someone as Homophobic and
hwo does that differe from Buchannan's views?

--Julie
From: SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET (linda)
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Subject: Re: Fairly random comments
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:10:00 GMT
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dear new tim,

glad to meet ya!

>read which was from Missy Yet 2 B.  It didn't reflect my point of view, but was
>certainly entertaining and well-written.  2nd place goes to all of the virtual
>election campaign postings.  Congrats to those of you who fought the good fight
.

yes, missy is funny and one of the more rational rightist on the list.
the virtual election was a lot more exciting and entertaining that the real
thing. thank the gods for all us bent people who have access to computers.

>1.  Are most of the regulars academics?  Students?  Both?

um, i think we're all mixed up.

>2.  Should I expect the frequency of postings to drop now that good has
>    triumphed over evil?

mail seems to range anywhere from 20 - 200 .... depends on the weather.

>3.  Are there POLITICS rules of etiquette I should be aware of?  I seem to
>    recall a posting in the last few days to that effect.

well, you should try not to be nasty: attack ideas not personalities. and
its important to show up on fridays for virtual beer countdown.
and you're supposed to flirt.
and you're not supposed to mention my age.
or anneliese's boots.

>4.  If virtual beers are consumed every Friday afternoon, will I start
>    having virtual headaches on Saturday mornings?

we're good, but we're not that good. you may get tendonitis in your left thumb
like i did, so be careful of finger position.

- linda
From: TJGOH@RTI.BITNET (TIM GABEL (EXT. 7415))
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Subject: The Rudman/Tsongas Concord Coalition
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:44:49 GMT
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Thanks for the warm welcome to the POLITICS list.  Seems like an interesting
crowd.

A couple weeks back I saw Warren Rudman and Paul Tsongas on C-SPAN speaking
to the National Press Club about their Concord Coalition.  For those of you
who missed it, I'd recommend trying to find a tape of it.  These two are
trying to add a voice of reason into the political rhetoric.  Clinton would
be smart to find a place for one or both of them in his administration,
although I doubt either would accept an appointment.  During the course of
their presentation, Rudman literally exploded when a question regarding the
line-item veto was put to him.  The gist of the question was:  "Given the
prevelance of pork in the bills Congress passes, don't you think a line-item
veto would go a long way toward improving the budget deficit?"  His response
(as best I recall) "This is an absolutely idiotic question and indicates the
total lack of understanding as to both the magnitude of the deficit and the
difficulty associated with lowering it.  It's no wonder the American public
can't understand the problem - the press is still looking for a sound-bite
solution.  Do me a favor and don't report anything if this is the type of
answer you're looking for".  Needless to say, his point came across loud and
clear.

Long story.  The point is, in the course of the presentation they gave out
an 800 number for their organization (Concord Coalition).  They've got a free
"plan" that they're distributing.  I wrote down the phone number and promptly
misplaced it.  Anyone out there have the number?

BTW, Rudman guaranteed that if Clinton doesn't get the deficit trend line to
reverse, or at least flatten out, there would absolutely be a very powerful
third party in '96 (and neither he nor Tsongas would be the candidate).  His
view on Perot was "Absolutely the right message, Absolutely the wrong
messenger".


Cheers - Tim G.
From: jse2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON STEVEN EUCULANO)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: Re: Term Limits
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:40:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <01GQTSVEOF348WW2FP@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>, JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU
.EDU (Song Weaver) writes:
>I have never quite understood the point behind term limits.  It's like
>we don't trust ourselves to make good decisions so we limit our decisions
>intentionally.  I'd rather see the massive power base which incumbents
>establish limited and reduced through more strict rules on lobbying,
>PAC donations and use of public office for campaigning purposes.
>
>--Julie
>
Do you think that we should allow the President's terms to remain limited?  If
so why? or why not?
                                    Jayce
From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
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Subject: Re:      Re: "Bob Roberts"
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:25:54 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92111204424944@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET writes:
 > Tim Robbins's father was a semi-famous folk singer (although the other
 > side of the spectrum from Bob Roberts).

Absolutely correct!  Tim's father was one of the threesome called The
Highwaymen.  They had a megahit in 1961 of their recording of "Michael
row the boat ashore".  I seem to remember that they were college students
at the time, weren't interested in recording careers and never cut another
album.


 >         What have I won?

A no expense paid trip down memory lane.


 > Always grateful to mention someone from the Village of my youth,

You grew up in the Village?  Cool, when?  (Having grown up in a small
midwestern town, the Village was akin to the land of Oz for me.)


						Andrew MacRae
						
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: I'm going to regret this, I just know it

>burning the flag is like renouncing your citizenship, and thus renouncing those
>freedoms.  What is the point of burning the flag.  If someone doesn't like the
>country, they are free to leave
>-Rich


hooboy....another love 'em or leave 'em guy.

i think your problem in understanding kerry's point is more fundamental than
we thought. you don't seem to understand the difference between a symbol of a
thing and the thing itself. i will try to clarify this for you in real simple
terms.

ok- now pay attention.

you are sitting in front of me.
i draw a picture of you.
the picture is not you.
you are not the picture.

time passes....

the picture is viewed by millions of people. people think of you and all you
stand for when they see your picture (which i drew so expertly).
the picture has become a symbol of you and your philosophy of life.

the picture is still not you.

another time passes....

some people don't like the philosophy that the picture of you represents.
they have what they believe is a better philosophy of life.
they want others to know how they feel about your philosophy.
they burn the symbol of your philosophy.
they burn your picture (a copy because the original is in the smithsonian).

they did not burn you. you are not your picture. you are you. you are still
alive living in an airconditioned condo in florida.

um, does that make it any clearer for you?
now, can you say symbol?
sure you can.

-linda
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From:         erteltsa@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU
Subject:      Re: 1996
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Rush a sensationalist? Hardly. He touches upon subjects in ways noone else
would dare to (except perhaps SNL). Even though you may disagree with him,
you gotta love his humor!
--Steve
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From:         The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sarcasm
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	I use :) for humor, ;) for conspiratorial humor, and :\ for sarcasm.
Of course there's :| for either boredom or I-fail-to-see-the-humor-in-that, :0
for either horror or surprise and :P for sticking my tongue out at somebody.

	There's even more, of course :).

Brett'
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From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Oliver North for Senate
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What a travesty! An admitted criminal (I don't care if he beat the charge) AND
a sanctimonious twit to boot elected to the Senate? Charlie Robb sure isn't
Mr. Nice Guy, but Ollie North OR Pat Buchanan to replace him really would
further dishonor the Senate in the public's eye. VMS
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