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From: markbr@radian.UUCP (Mark Roth)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: guns
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:32:13 GMT

> Janis writes:
> In article <7513@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
> >
> >>	I was thinking of Switzerland, myself.  I haven't looked into their
> >>immigration laws, but I LIKE the thought of all adult males being in the
> >>military, and keeping their weapons at home (especially considering their
> >>reluctance to go to war).  Kinda makes the population hard to control, dunnit?
> 
> >I don't know about this one.  Here is Uhmurka, people are fucking BORN
> >with guns, and we are an international joke in Europe because of it.
> >DOesn't make US any less susceptible to mind-control.  Hell, three
> >little TV commercials picked the last president of the country!
> 
> >Blessings,
> >Janis 
> 
 About guns, yes, I'm with Janis. I can think of other countries where they
 get to keep their guns: Lebanon, the former Yugoslavia, Azherbaijan, Northern
 Ireland,....  Like the button I have says, "An armed society is a polite
society: ask any Lebanese". And for those that disagree, and think individuals
owning guns stops something like Tienamin Square, may I point out things
like Desert Farce, or Czeckoslovakia in 68. *YOU* get your guns, while the
army comes in with tanks, and the air force, .... I'm gonna run, and play
Swamp Fox in cyberspace, and pull out my copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook.
Guns don't stop tanks, or morters. And are y'all suggesting that private
individuals owning morters, etc, is a good idea (if so, why don't y'all
visit beautiful, scenic Bosnia, or Azerbaijan?)?
 
 Hey, I just came up with a new slogan: Guns don't make freedom, only people
 make freedom.
 
 	mark
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Etymology, n.:
	Some early etymological scholars come up with derivations that
were hard for the public to believe.  The term "etymology" was formed
from the Latin "etus" ("eaten"), the root "mal" ("bad"), and "logy"
("study of").  It meant "the study of things that are hard to swallow."
		-- Mike Kellen
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:29:44 GMT

Perhaps I should clear something up here.  This is not the first time
I've wondered if I wouldn't be happier living in another country.
Canada, south central Spain, and New Zealand are all high on the list
and have been for quite a while.  The Magnificent Mikey thinks of
northern Mexico.

I've also wondered what educated or simply conscience-possessing Germans
in 1933 felt like for quite a while, too.  In short, I'm not panicking;
this post just happened to hit on something I've been considering for a
while now.

Blessings,
Janis  

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Wicca (was Re: Pat Robertson)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:47:04 GMT

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.161930.27930@burrhus.harvard.edu> canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson) writes:

>[bunches deleted with Carl speaking about Wicca]

>> A lot of it seems to be an amalgram of Celtic and Hermetic (late
>Judeo-Christian) elements.

> Please tell me what Celtic elements are in Wicca? There are English folk
>elements but Celtic material is almost non-existant if you ignore a couple
>of goddess names. 

> For example, the Celts didn't use four quarters or have tools associated
>with them. The Celts were polytheists, not duo-theists.

Well, the elements you mention here are part of the Hermetic inheritance.  The
folk inheritance is at least as much Celtic as English.  The original four
Sabbats are the Celtic ones.  (Gardner added the equinoxes and solstices later.)
Also, many Witches are drawing on Celtic myth and folklore to flesh out the
Craft.  There are also Witches who draw on other cultures, but they usually
draw on many cultures rather than focussing on just one.  The basic cosmology
is derived from Celtic culture, though through such filters as Graves.  The
duo-theism is not historically accurate, but the various figures used to create
the Wiccan Lady and Lord were mostly Celtic.  What English folk elements are
you pointing at?  Herne?  The Green Man?  They exist in English folk-lore, but
there is clear evidence that they are Celtic in origin.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: New pagans and reading
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I've noticed a number of people telling people interested in 
paganism to go and read.  This is very true, but perhaps we
should get some suggestions.  I don't know about the rest of
ya'll but I was scared as shit when I first started nosing my
way around.  I just *knew* I was going to get caught up into some
nasty things.

My suggestions (as I will follow my own advice)

Stewart Farrar
What Witches Do.

Margot Adler (I think thats the name)
Drawing down the moon.

Starhawk
Spiral Dance

Or anything by:
Farrar (as above)
Doreen Valiente
(don't you just hate it when your mind goes blank)
Oh shoot, I post a list later.

If you start without suggestions I can only give you one piece of
advice.  Question everything you read.  Don't take anything just
because someone said it.  If you seriously question it in your
mind and it holds up then you have just validated for yourself.

Avoid works by Crowley until you have a strong grasp of what it
is you want out of paganism.  I'm sure that there are other books
/authors that others might want to mention.

Now just because I say don't.....don't go out a do it anyway.  I'm
not saying "Don't read this", I'm saying "Hold off on reading this
until you are ready".  When you feel comfortable in your paganism
then attempt to read some of the "Don't" books. 

Also remember, as in any religion, there is a lot of bullshit
out there.  Be prepared for it.  The same goes for people.

Any body in the Texas or nearby area may want to contact the
Council of Magickal Arts.  The contact person in Houston you
want to talk to is Judy Carusonne (she's in the book).  She is
a pagan advocate/networker in the Houston area.

Any body got the address for the Council of Magickal Arts, please
post it.  I don't have it on hand at the moment.

Also, go to some local occult shops.  Here again, be selective.
There are a lot of negative shops.  If you walk in and feel at
home (or at least comfortable) take a walk around, talk to people,
etc.  Then if you like it continue using them as a point of contact.
Most good occult shops also have bulletin boards (not the electronic 
kind).  Post notices here.  Again, be careful, I got some real nuts
in my early days.  Note: NEVER give a home address.  I got a mail
box for this purpose.  And expect strange phone calls.  (note above
I mean P.O.Box).

Well, I hope that is a start.

Merry Meet and Blessed Be,

Tammy Stark Blandino
lib1p@jetson.uh.edu

PS: If you want to e-mail me I would be willing to talk.
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: an herb question and a suggestion for a new newsgroup
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 14:03:05 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

i woke up this morning with a frog in my throat so bad that i was even DREAMING
of trying to clear my throat before i woke up.  i have been drinking
Traditional Medicinals Breathe Easy tea since noon, and feel much better.  now,
the active ingredient in this is Ma Huang, which is a lovely lovely narcotic
that didn't happen to be made illegal when the feds made a sweep of all the fun
drugs.  our local health food store, otherwise marvellous at stocking every
medicinal herb known to humanity, doesn't have it.  does anyone know of a mail
order address that i can order it from?  i much prefer makign my own herbal
teas to paying inflated prices for the privelege of having someone ELSE make
them.

also, when i was thinking of writing this, it occurred to me that there is no
newsgroup specifically for the discussion of herbalism and herbal medicine.
(if tehre is, and i missed it, please correct me.)  discusswions on it go on
here at times, and in rec.food.veg, and even in misc.kids, but i think the best
thing would be for the subject to have its own newsgroup.  how does one go
about proposing a new newsgroup?  i was thinking of making it alt.herbalism,
but better names are always welcome...   i prefer to stick with alt.* tho...

                                              -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
 I wish her insight to battle love's blindness            ________
 Strength from the milk of human kindness         Silence \      / Action
 A safe place for all the pieces that scattered      =     \    /    =
 Learn to pretend there's more than love           Death    \  /    Life
                                  that matters               \/
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <was: Re: Who/what is Baphomet?>
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:27:12 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <1992Sep2.151100.4140@lmt.mn.org> ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.165714.5075@csus.edu>, altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray 
>Altheim) writes:
>> The prefix "Free" was added in the middle ages when Bubba ben
>> Gazoomie (not actually related to Joseph ben Gazoomie, as he had changed 
>> his name) started a blood and carrot cult ...
>
>  Murray, you Fool !! That secret wasn't to be revealed until
>the thirty-seventh revolution of the *censured*, in the time of
>the fourty-second house of *censured* !!
>
>  Now EVERYONE will want to join !!
>
>  Glad you're feeling more perky.  Ciaran.

Ciaran, as a member of the Order of the Sacred Flying Hoods, you of all people
should know that th# aaaaaaahhhhhh (sounds of Freemasonic hands on throat)

Number 9. Number 9. Number 9.

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: New pagans and reading
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:16:46 GMT

tncp9@isuvax.iastate.edu (Chaleos) writes:

>Um...Just out of curiosity, am I correct to say that Starhawk and Margot Adler
>are the same person?  Seems like I read her name in the copyright page of
>Starhawks book _Truth or Dare_.

The name on the copyright page of _Truth or Dare_ is Miriam Simos, as it is
in all of Starhawk's books.  Margot Adler is a Gardnerian, while Starhawk is
Faery Trad.  Both are Witches, but in different Traditions.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Scott Mayo no longer on Net
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:53:52 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Aug26.111903.8079@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:

>The Gods work in strange ways. But then again, the Gods work!

But not fast enough in your case....

(with half smiles)

Ollie/Lucifuge...
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: republican delema
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:51:50 GMT

darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

>Actually, it's not true.  I believe Teddy Roosevelt was first elected
>from a third-party candidacy - something like the "Bull & Moose" Party (!)
>Can anyone verify this??

The election which T.R. won was 1904--he was a Republican.  In 1912, he ran as
a Progressive and lost.  He did get some electoral votes in that election, but
not nearly enough to win.  [Source: _The American Pageant_ by Bailey and 
Kennedy.  I considered posting a source listing last time, but I assumed that
people would take my word that I was certain of this.]

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who/what is Baphomet?
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:43:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <92240.093709ROYBAL@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ROYBAL@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>   Subject line says all. An honest, straight forward question.
>I know nothing of the origins or identity of this entity. What can YOU
>tell me? If this is a "forbidden name" or subject, please let me know,
>and apologize for any offense...

	No problem.  My friend who is majoring in the History of the
Western Occult just explained this to me the other day.  This is the
critter that the Templars (oooo!  Templars!  exciting!) were always getting
accused of worshiping.  It was supposed to be a cat-head demon or somesuch
thing.
	Actually, it is merely the mistranslation of the name Mohammed.
Simple as that.

Cheers,
Carl

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From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Chocolate (was Re: "gangway, folx")
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 11:30:39 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

wang!ailanth!ailsa@ulowell.ulowell.edu (temporary) writes:

> donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
> 
> > ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> >
> > > cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Everything BUT blue.  I guess you'd call `em hazel.  They're sort of a
> > > > light brown, with gold bits in them (lots of that), grey rims, and look
> > > > green in certain weather, though not nearly green enough for me.
> > > >
> > > > Basically think of the one color of eyes that has never before been see
> > > > by the OTHER eyes of humanity.  That's it!
> > >
> > > they sound lovely!  my dad had eyes like that, as did my exhusband...  B)
> > > could there be a pattern here?
> > >                                                    -ailsa
> > I don't know. Are you saying that you are falling in love with Janis?
> > :)
> 
> isn't everyone?
> 
>                                       -ailsa
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>      wang!ailanth!ails@ulowell.ulowell.edu         ________
>       No visible means of support          Silence \      / Action
>       and you have not seen nothing yet.      =     \    /    =
>       Everything's come together.           Death    \  /    Life
>                                                       \/

Good point... (Janis, I love you too!!!)   :>
Just had to get that off my chest.. I feel much better now!

--------------------
Donal, Sysop of The Brewer's Witch BBS -- +1 713 272 7350
(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson quote (good for a nervous laugh)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 03:49:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <7525@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <16353@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

>> Religous broadcaster Pat Robertson, who is always good for a laugh, is

>>How can anybody take this guy seriously??

>	Yet pepole do.  Sorry I'm feeling so gloomy today, folks, but I'm
>getting nervous about this election.

In that case may I suggest that you do what I've been doing? Walk down
to your local democratic office and volunteer to work for the candidate
of your choice. Send a donation to the candidate of your choice. Write
a letter to your local paper about the secret activities of the religious
right. Talk to people. Enlighten them.

Eric
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Pagan Music: recommendations and sources
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am new to this group so my questions probably have been asked
before.  Please bear with me.

I would like to have some opinions/suggestions on some pagan
music and some mail order sources for said music.  

I tapped into the middle of the music thread.  If you want you
can e-mail me.  That is unless someone speaks up that they would
like it also.  In fact, if you want it also I will forward 
answers via e-mail to people who say "me too, me too" (or something
like that).

Thanks a plenty and Blessed Be,

Tammy
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: no kill file
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:06:27 GMT

In article <1558@lysator.liu.se> ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) writes:
>txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
>
>[another, probably interesting, article, which was unreadable due to TOO]
>[many spelling mistakes]
>
>>ELF-KIN	just because some one segests that one read the bible does
>>not meen that they think that you should beleave it.
>
>I am killfiling this person. Please tell me when she has gotten
>herself a spellchecker, and I will remove her from the kill file. Her
>articles seem interesting, but I can't spend half an hour with each of
>them trying to *guess* what she means.

Chill!  It was my understanding that she had a disability that
interfered.  It's a pain to read, but so what?  Sometimes people have
problems that keep them from communicating in Broadcast English; her
posts are worth reading.

Blessings,
Janis  

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: your survey garbage
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:46:57 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes in
<1992Aug31.220324.15121@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>

>I have a feeling the only reason this person, or persons, is/are posting
>here is to create havoc. I am pretty much just ignoring their idiotic and/or
>misdirected postings.

>Bill

I think if you were to take the whole message in context, you would see that
the original "Survey" was not meant for many of the groups it was posted to.
He apologized, but stated if you try to injure him, he'll go to system operator
With respect to Amanda's post, Sun Microsystems recently terminated an employee
because of postings on USENET.  Their assertion was, even though he posted the
usual disclaimers, they frankly didn't want this person or his opinions assoc-
iated with Sun (Bay Area Microtimes/San Jose Merc News).  Sun also stated that
they are providing the platform for this individual, and he should have exer-
cised better judgement in his post because ultimately, he does represent SUN.
e
With respect to this post, please don't use bandwidth by responding.  Mine is
meerly a statement, not meant to start another flame war.
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: no kill file
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:18:50 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:

> ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) writes:
> 
> 
> I will forgive you this once for flaming ELF-KIN, because you obviously 
> do not know. ELF-KIN has some form of disorder, similar to dyslexia I 
> would imagine, that causes him to write the way he does. I have seen his 
> posts in many places on may boards, and his posts are always well thought 
> out and informative. It just isn't in what you might readily recognize as 
> english. Lighten up and ask before you slam, next time.
> 
> --------------------
> Donal, Sysop of The Brewer's Witch BBS -- +1 713 272 7350
> (Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
> (CIS) 76460,1443 
> (SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra

yes, I realize I called her, him... sorry, got the gender wrong...
/c{

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Donal, Sysop of The Brewer's Witch BBS -- +1 713 272 7350
(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Opinion on Masonry
From: cmacdonald@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:14:06 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Let's clear up, or attempt to, anyway, a few points persuant to this thread.
The following are the opinions of a Mason who hasn't been to Lodge in a while,
so take them accordingly.

1. I don't believe you *absolutely* need a book of law to constitute a lodge.

2. I was told by my lodge that I could not be an athiest and be a Mason.

3. This 32nd amd 33rd degree stuff came along a lot later in Masonic history
and doesn't *really* count for much. All Masons are first and foremost Master
Masons and IMHO the degrees are merely a fun variation.

4. There are within Masonry various groups that do different things. One of
these are the Knights Templar. We're talking even heavier Xtian symbolism, tied
to almost nautical-looking uniforms.

5. Masonry is often heavily politicized, what with black lodges being
recognized or not, or those crazy all-females lodges in France, or Masonry
becoming a sort of glorified Rotary.

6. I say back to the mysticism and glory, and stuff the baggage Masonry has
picked up over the years!!!


Joe (St. John's Lodge, Middletown, CT; founded 1754)