HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: batman@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu (Bill E Madden Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: SCSI devices work on SCSI-2 port?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:00:53 GMT
Organization: UPMC

>SCSI and SCSI-2 also required separate resistive terminators.  You
>cannot intermix them.

>Have I missed something here?  Perhaps Mike is referring to something
>in the SCSI world that I am not familiar with.  If SCSI-2 equals double
>ended SCSI then Mike is wrong.  Otherwise, I'm sure someone will explain
>how fast I need to return to school =-).

I don't think you missed anything, the nice thing about standards is that  there's so many to choose from.:-)  but the major difference as far as we can tell is in the protocol between the two formats.  SCSI-II has more mandatory commands than SCSI-I that MUST be implented some way.  It seems to me (and I could be completely off base here) that that's why some of the older SCSI devices only worked with certain controlers and OSes - they were very restrictive in commands that were implemented.  I don't know


 anything about the hardware aspects.

As far as mixing SCSI-I and II, we've done it on HP-Apollo DN3500s and on HP-Apollo 730's with DAT drives and CD-ROMS.  How this would
effect a disk drive is something we're currently trying to determine.

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From: swebber@imladris.equinox.gen.nz (Stephen Webber)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Quantum PRO-105S problem
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:45:32 +1200
Organization: Amiga Christchurch Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jim Pritchett (jdp@caleb.UUCP) wrote:
>Hello.
>
>       I have two Quantum PRO-105S SCSI drives (3.5", 105 Meg) that I have been
>using for about a year.  They have worked well for me until recently.  I had been
>using them on two separate controllers (1 on the GVP Combo and 1 on the A2090.)
>When I put both drives on the GVP Combo, I started getting weird drive errors and
>SCSI 'unexpected status' errors.  I remembered something from the net about some
>Q drives not working properly when more than 1 was on the SCSI bus, so I called Q
>Tech Support.  The guy there said that there is no such problem with these drives.

Have you still got the 2090 in the machine? If so try removing it! A
friend with his 2000 had a GVP & 2090a and was getting 'unexpected
status' errors with the 2090a still in the machine, removed it and all the
trouble disappeared. This could at least be an option.

>UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
> or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp

--
Stephen Webber swebber@imladris.equinox.gen.nz
Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND
Don't worry about tomorrow, I've been there!
From: ak@ananke.stgt.sub.org (Andreas Kaiser)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: SCSI devices work on SCSI-2 port? 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 21:16:29 GMT
Organization: ananke


In article <Bu9zIo.InG@unx.sas.com> sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com writes:

  > I think Mike is mistaken.  SCSI and SCSI-2 are two completely different
  > pin outs.  Just to make sure we are comparing apples with apples,
  > I am referring to "Single-ended (SCSI) vs. Double-ended (SCSI-2).

While SCSI-1 (Centronics like) and SCSI-2 connectors are different as
well as the line terminators, the bus signals are the same. The
differential SCSI option has little to do with SCSI-2 (in my knowledge
it existed prior to SCSI-2) except that the SCSI-2 draft papers favor
differential connections for fast (10MB/sec) transfers. Current SCSI-2
devices usually are available in a single-ended version (such as
the ST3283N).

		Gruss, Andreas  

Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: mcpapen@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Marc Papen)
Subject: Questions about SyQuest 5110 and controllers
Summary: Questions about SyQuest 5110 and Controllers
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:30:43 GMT
Keywords: SyQuest SCSI Controllers


Hi

I don't know if this is a FAQ, because I only discovered this group yesterday.

I need some info about the following products from SyQuest:

 1) Does anybody have any good (or bad) experiences with the SQ-5110 drive (88 MB)

 2) Does anybody have detailed info about their SQ-01 controller
    (Is it compatible to anything else? Who manufactures this controller?)

 3) Which SCSI controllers (PC) do work with the above drive?
    (I need a cheap one because I don't have the money to buy a AHA 1542)

Please respond to the net or send me email.

Thanks in advance

     Marc

---
Marc Papen
email:	mcpapen@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
     or marc@lft.uni-erlangen.de
From: kev@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (Kevin Jones)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:33:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Seemingly poor performance
Organization: HP Computer Peripherals Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi

Whilst not being familiar with what "checkit" actually does, I'll
take a guess and say that it tries to figure out how fast it can
dump data to, then drag it back off-of a disk.

> Ultrastor 12F & Micropolis ESDI drive:      945 Kb/s (same w/Norton)
> Promise DC-2040 (1Mb) & Micropolis SCSI-2:  1773 Kb/s

The results you see are likely to be approaching the maximum rate
at which the disk can write/read data. This rate has nothing to do
with SCSI "burst" rates which simply refer to the speed at which
data can be transferred on the bus. Thus you have a bus which can
transfer at 5 Mbytes/Sec and a disk that can transfer at 1.8 Mbytes/Sec.
Net result = transfers at 1.8 Mbytes/Sec.

The near-doubling of speed with a caching controller is probably down
to the "parrallelism" it provides.

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Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried.Krueger)
Subject: Re: ST1096N
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:53:59 GMT
Keywords: Jumperbelegung

sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy) writes:

>In article <bkappler.716140241@lilly>, bkappler@lilly.gris.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Bernhard Kappler) writes:
>|> Hilfe!!!
>|> 
>|> Wer kennt die Jumperbelegung fuer die Seagate Festplatte ST1096N???
>|> 
>|> Die 3 Jumper fuer die SCSI ID sind klar, aber die 2 anderen Jumper? 
>[English mode on]

>The two other jumpers are most likely for SCSI Bus Parity Checking  and the 
>Spinup Delay Option or maybe the Start Command Option 

>The Spinup Delay Option allows the drive to either spin up now or (SCSI-ID * 10)
>seconds from now.

>The Start Command Option will delay spinup until START UNIT is sent to the 
>drive (most Amigas/Macs/PCs don't do this)

>Tschuss...
 ^^^^^^^^^^

That must be "Tschuess" (ue in this case stands for german u-umlaut)
=8-)

>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Scott C. Kennedy (sck@watson.ibm.com)  | This post does not reflect the intent 
>Distributed High Performance Computing | or actions of my employer, and their 
>IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Facility | actions don't reflect mine either.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I had this dream the other night. I went to work one day, and nobody 
>remembered who I was. So, I decided to take the day off. - 2nu

Tschuess...
winnie.

Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: lampi@polari.online.com
Subject: Which is better: Adaptec 1542B (or C), UltraStore, or ?
Summary: I'm buying one for use w/disk, tape & CD-ROM for a 486 DOS/Windows PC
Organization: R Squared, Redmond, WA (206) 883-3116
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:14:22 GMT

I currently have (and am reasonably happy with) an Adaptec 1542A ctrlr on
a 386 at work for use with various SCSI disks and tape drives. Now,
however, I'm about to buy a 486 system and I want to not experience the
problems I had with the Adaptec controller in getting drivers to support
the various devices I want to connect to the SCSI bus; e.g., tape drives,
CD-ROM, scanners, etc., besides the SCSI-2 disk drive.

Anybody willing to offer me their $.02 on their experiences with a good,
fast ISA SCSI controller with such peripherals on a 486 system?

Thanks in advance.


-- 
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+-+  Michael Lampi       lampi@polari.online.com
|R|  R Squared           16398 NE 85th St., Suite 101, Redmond, WA 98052
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 13 Sep 1992 22:28:56 EDT
From: <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ISA - which is better?

  Here's my $0.02, complete with uneditable, sloppy typing... try to
sort it our<t...

  The DMA issue is a significant factor.  OTOH, 16 MB mayu be as much as you ne
ed on a single user system.  However Microchannel and EISA win on this
score.
  Even if all of your cards are ISA on an EISA system, (provided the
drivers will use the feature), faster DMA modes are supported.  You
could see a 30% throughput advantage withh the proper drivers.
  You assume EISA implies SCSI (original post) and, in as much as the
advertised systems are concerned, this is typical, but just to clear
it up, there are EISA IDE cards and EISA doesn't give you SCSI.

  In my experience, you will see a perceptible difference running
EISA vs. ISA in single user but probably not enough to justify it.
As recently as a few weeks ago, I would tell you to go EISA.  I was
pretty convinced it was the bus of the future, but I thing<k it may be too
late for EISA.  I recomment<d you put your money into a used or cheap
486/33 and a VERY GOOD MONITOR.  Get a Future Domain or Always or
(yikes) Adaptec SCSI controller for the ISA bus.  (But\<<y a bare-bones
system and add your own drives).  Save the rest of your $$$ and wait
until the P5 / PCI bus systems start rolling and upgrade then.
   PCI is the new Intel local bus proposal and It apparently mixes the best of
EISA and local bus.  You may not get the best system now, but you'll
throw away the least when the next generation of computer comes out.
I was going to but<y a $5000+ EISA system, but decided to wait out
the P5, etc...  Instead i'm getting a used SE/30 and a very abused XT.
Between them, I cam<n hold out till spring.

  Jeff Andle
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine)
Subject: Re: SyQuest vs. unremovables, recommendations?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:26:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.223758.23762@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> proth@sparc3.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip Roth) writes:
>Hi,
>I'm thinking of buying a new hard drive to supplement
>the 20Mb internal in my Mac SE.  I am wondering whether
>it would be better to go with a non-removable drive,
>or a SyQuest removable.

About a year and a half ago (right before the 88mb drives came out) I
bought two 44mb Syquest drives from ClubMac to use as the primary
drives on my Mac SE. I've been very satisfied with the result. I've
found the drives to be more prone to disk errors than sealed drives --
dust contamination is unavoidable -- but it has not been a serious
problem. I keep backups and have never lost any data.

>
>I'm in the $400-$600 range, and can get around 100 Mb
>in the non-removable for this.  The initial cost, per
>Mb, for the SyQuest is higher, but buying one more
>data cartridge would move this in favor of the SyQuest.
>
>I understand that the SyQuest is slower than most non-
>removables, but is it that much slower ( esp. on an
>SE? )  

They are slower than the fastest fixed disks, but their speeds are
comparable to the middle of the line fixed disks. I think you'll find
the speed more than adequate on an SE -- access times are aorund 28ms
and sustained transfer rate varies depending on the cpu, but is
comparable to other 40mb hard drives.

>
>One last question: can the SyQuest drive be partitioned
>( esp. using the same formatting software that a non-
>removable uses )?
>

Yes, I use silverlining.


-- 
scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- Stuart M. Castergine
Fiver: "Oh, Hazel, look! The field! It's covered with blood!"
Hazel: "Don't be silly, it's only the light of the sunset." -- Watership Down
From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Help needed connecting SCSI shoebox to PC with 1542B
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:08:09 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

I have a 486 with an Adaptec 1542B controller.  Inside the PC there is
a 330MB SCSI drive and a 150MB SCSI tape drive which both work fine.

I just bought a CDC 94171-327 SCSI drive second hand from a guy off the net.
I put the drive in a shoebox and connected it to the SCSI port on the back
of the computer.  

Nothing works.  If I disconnect the shoebox SCSI cable and
turn it on, the drive spins up and sounds fine.  If I connect the SCSI
cable from the shoebox to the computer and turn on the shoebox, the fan
come on, but the drive does nothing.

When I boot the computer, it seems to be trying to boot off 
the shoebox drive, regardless of whether the shoebox is turned on or not.

Anyways, the guy who sold me the drive wasn't sure if he put the right 
terminators on it.  The terminators are two 14-pin chips which go on
the drive's circuit board.  Each chip has printed on it:

  MDP1405
  221/331G
  DALE 9217

Is this the wrong chip to terminate a CDC 9417-327?

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Roger
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: SCSI-2 draft available in WAIS
Date: 15 Sep 1992 13:36:38 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com


I added the SCSI-2 draft standard to the public CM WAIS server
yesterday.  Use scsi-2.src to search just that text, or use
public-cm-server.src to search everything on the public server.

If your local system doesn't have scsi-2.src yet (which it probably
doesn't, because I just sent it to the directory-of-servers two
minutes ago), use this:

(:source
   :version  3
   :ip-address "131.239.2.100"
   :ip-name "cmns-moon.think.com"
   :tcp-port 210
   :database-name "SCSI"
   :cost 0.00
   :cost-unit :free
   :maintainer "bug-public@think.com"
   :description
"draft proposed American National Standard for information systems -
 SMALL COMPUTER SYSTEM INTERFACE - 2 (SCSI-2)

This is a draft proposed American National Standard of Accredited Standards
Committtee X3.  As such this is not a completed standard.  The X3T9 Technical
Committee may modify this document as a result of comments received during
its approval as a standard.

COPYRIGHT NOTICE:  This draft standard is based upon ANSI X3.131-1986, a
document which is copyrighted by the American National Standards Institute
(ANSI).  In accordance with the usual ANSI policy on the revision of
standards, this draft standard may be reproduced, for the purpose of review
and comment only, without further permission, provided this notice is
included.  All other rights are reserved."
)


If your local system doesn't have a WAIS interface yet, you can get it
by anonymous ftp from think.com, in directory /pub/wais. There are
interfaces there for the Macintosh, X-windows, and gnu emacs.  User
interfaces for NeXT and for PC's are available elsewhere -- see
comp.infosystems.wais. In a real pinch, telnet to quake.think.com and
login as user wais. You'll be pitched into a tacky glass-tty interface.

-- 
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 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: rogerb@pisco.esd.sgi.com (Roger Brown)
Subject: Re: adaptec suggestions
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:29:02 GMT

In article <BuHu1K.6vw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
writes:
|> rogerb@pisco.esd.sgi.com (Roger Brown) writes:
|> >I know that with the WD SCSI controller's, you get ALL the SDLP drivers
|> for
|> >all
|> >the Operating Systems and all the devices in one box, on one set of
|> disks
|> >and
|> >with one manual.  Granted, the drivers are usually not up to snuff, so
|> you
|> >have to purchase an upgrade to the next version.  
|> *----
|> Are you sure?  I have a couple of WD-7000 FASST SCSI controllers that
|> were supposedly OEM controllers and came with no special support
|> software or drivers.  Was I ripped off, or is Adaptec the only
|> company that makes an OEM board only product available at a 
|> discount?
|> --

I purchased the WD-7000 SCSI Retail Product, and got the whole nine yards. 
I was unaware the Adaptec or WD offered board-only products.  When I
purchased the
SDLP upgrade drivers, (for $50+shipping) I got upgrades to everything with
a new manual, etc.

Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker)
Subject: Buyer beware, re: SCSI-Based RAID Systems for LANs, etc.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:18:32 GMT

In article <199209151514.AA24291@tuna.wang.com> MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett") writes:
>Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and

Standards-based, but not standard.

According to an article I read yesterday (but connot find today :->),
only RAID levels 1-5 are standardized;  research and standardization
work on other levels continues.  This means that RAID 6 and RAID 7 are
only based on standards, not standard, not yet.  Buyer beware:  a "RAID
7" system bought today might be dead end purchase.

pww
From: nkumamot@ss.titech.ac.jp (Norichika Kumamoto)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: Wanted: info about ST157N
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:13:17 GMT
	<1992Sep11.083936.9627@asacsg.mh.nl>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Technology

Hello,

I received answers about ST157N from the following netters:

rogerb@pisco.esd.sgi.com (Roger Brown) (by email)
pei03@delphi.com (by email)
kr@asacsg.mh.nl (Koos Remigius)
landis@sugs.tware.com (Hale Landis)

I've accordingly added the ST157N to my computer and it works good.
Thank you very much for your kindly answers and suggestions.
--
Norichika Kumamoto
Department of Electrical and Electronic Eng., Faculty of Engineering,
Tokyo Institute of Technology
e-mail:nkumamot@ss.titech.ac.jp
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: Joe.Miles@anu.edu.au
Subject: ASPI specs
Reply-To: Joe.Miles@anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 08:54:25 GMT

Maybe I have missed looking somewhere, but could someone tell me if there is a
document describing the ASPI driver software interface available on the net, or
alternatively what is the title and source of this documentation ?

thanks in advance,

Joe Miles                             email: Joe.Miles@anu.edu.au
Forestry Dept  ANU                    tel:   +61 6  249 2544
Canberra Australia 
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: mike@cd.com (Mike Heins)
Subject: Single-ended/Differential Conversion
Organization: Central Data Corp., Champaign, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:40:13 GMT

Have you ever used any of the single-ended to differential SCSI
converters that are out on the market?  Do you have experience,
theory, or war stories to share?

I am particularly interested in:

1. Speed of operation
2. Length of bus
3. Synchronous use
4. Problems encountered
5. Products used

If there is a good response I will summarise and post the results.
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       /    /   800/482-0315 or 217/359-8010 (FAX 6904)
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From: drewo@dcatlas.dot.gov (Andrew R. Orndorff)
Subject: info on internal resistor packs fro EXABYTE-8200
Reply-To: Andrew Orndorff <dcatlas!drewo@uunet.uu.net>
 Organization: NHTSA Data Center, Washington, D.C., USA
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:00:43 GMT

	Perhaps someone here can help me - we have an early EXABYTE-8200
that we've been using on a DEC System 5100 with relatively few problems.

	However, there has been some question as to the use of two internal
resistor packs located internally? One piece of documentation would
seem to indicate that the resistor packs are used to enable/disable
the single-ended/differential modes of the 8200 - while another would
seem to indicate that single-ended or differential is determined
automagically by the drive, and that the resistor packs are used for
termination in those environments where no external termination is
available (i.e. last device in an internal bay...etc).

	Does anyone have a solid handle on this, or official docs?

	The only reference I can offer is that the deck (not the cards) is
dated late 1988 - but we have upgraded the ROM's to the latest release that
Exabyte could supply.

	Thanks. E-mail or posted responses are welcome.

	Andrew Orndorff

	NHTSA Data Center

	Internet:	dcatlas!zeus.dot.gov!drewo@uunet.uu.net
	UUCP:		...uunet!dcatlas!zeus.dot.gov!drewo


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From: carre@ens-lyon.fr (Giles Carre)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Problems with Inspire Drives
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: carre@ens-lyon.fr
Followup-To: alt.cd-rom
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon

1. We have many problems of quality with erasable optical Inspire disks,
   from Alphatronix (one on a Macintosh, and two on Sun Sparc Stations) :
	. unreadable sectors on disks (on almost new disks too)
	  ==> loss of data
	. impossibility to certify some new disks (on Sun)
	. impossibility to certify any disk (on Macintosh)
	. station crash during access to bad disks (no under root login)

We use version 2.30.1 (with a true license) of the software with SunOS 4.1.1,
and version 1.0.5 with MacOS 6.0.7.


2. Is there a possibility to not use the special driver provided by
   Alphatronix, and to be able to certify the new (or bad) disks, and
   to lock the eject button. It's because the driver upgrade is very
   expensive : in France, about $1200 for one licence on Sun. Special
   thanks to Alphatronix for their licensed and protected driver.

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