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From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Garth Brooks postings in r.a.s.*
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:23:17 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

PLEASE! No more Garth Brooks ....
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From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Craft Warp??
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:01:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.085908> TH Anderson <kait@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> writes:
>> In Relics Scotty gets a shuttle craft to wander in.  
>> Does it have warp abilities,
>> or is it going to take him forever and a year to get anywhere?
>In all likelihood its one of the crafts that is capable of warp 2, however, in
>the next gen tech manual, most of those shuttles can maintain warp 2 for no
>more than 48 hours...

Yes, but Scotty **wrote** most of those tech. manuals,
so he knows what they're **really** capable of!
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: 38 Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:39:25 GMT

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:46:59 GMT, S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu said:

>S104374> Query: In STIV:TVH, they land this cloaked BOP in the middle
>S104374> of Golden Gate Park and it is *completely* invisible.
>S104374> Doesn't this seem just a little silly that it is completely
>S104374> invisible, espically since in STIII:TSFS Kirk found it by
>S104374> looking for the distortion against the stars?

>Also in one of TNG episodes (episode with the Romulan defector) Data
>stated that a cloaked base on the ground would leave distortion since
>the ground would not be cloaked. So in ST 4, there should have been
>distortion all other the place, the shape of a BoP...


Good thing that 20th Century Earth don't have the same technology and
sensing equipment that 24th Century Earth has.

		CtB
From: fairchil@helix.ucsd.edu (Kevin Fairchild)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:56:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


From fairchil Wed Jan  6 22:56:28 1993
To: /home/helix/fairchil/.article
Subject: Favorite TNG Episodes


The Inner Light
Darmok
Best of Both Worlds

Kevin Fairchild
Soon-to-be-late-of-UCSD
From: PunisherX@cup.portal.com (M Phil Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 20:20:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <29DEC199219335774@gergo.tamu.edu>

I think that the reason that you won't be seeing ST:DS9 on cable is probably
the same reason that you don't see most first run syndicated shows on cable
a little thing called Syndication Exclusivity brought to you by your friends
at the FCC
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dax in previous lives?
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:41:44 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1ifjclINNg02@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (MARC SIEGALL) writes:
|> Where else have we seen the actress who plays Dax?  She looks very
|> familiar to me and my friends, but we can't place her.  Thanks!

 If you're talking about Terry Farrell, she was in

       Back to School
       Beverly Hills Madam  (TV)
       The Deliberate Stranger (TV)
       Hellrasier III: Hell on Earth
       "Paper Dolls"
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Am I the only person who DIDN'T like DSN??
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <11202.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)  writes:
>ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>|In article <10328.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)  writes:
>|>When the show opened at Wolf 359 and Sisko's ship blew as they escaped,
>|>DS9 got my attention.  Soon after, it faded.  The Bajoran female needs
>|>severe acting lessons: in her opening scene she was banging the table
>|>to show how "tough" she was supposed to be.  All it struck me as was
>|>gross over-acting.

>|The "over acting" as you describe it was not out of character,
>|as it has been demonstrated in TNG(Ro Laren) that Bjorn women tend to
>|be very forceful and allow their emotions to speak for them.
>|(And don't forget that they _are_ always right -- no sarcasim intended)

>Many people seem to think this was good characterization.  I'm sorry,
>but the standard way of judging an actor/actress is whether you can
>TELL if they are acting or not.  Ms. Visitor's acting (or rather
>OVER-acting) stood out like a sore thumb to me.  I didn't see a
>new character, I saw a person trying to act tough for the camera.

I disagree; I don't think that Visitor was overacting (even in "Emissary").
While I certainly don't think she turned in a stellar performance (it would
have taken Patrick Stewart to get blood out of the stone she was handed! :-) I
feel she did a competent job.

Now, if you want to see overacting, watch William Shatner in "Turnabout
Intruder"! :-)  (Which is an all the more remarkable performance in that I
think it was deliberate and I think it *worked*. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"
From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: the linear time thing - (spoiler?)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:35:19 -0800
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com

In <1993Jan7.181650.27424@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:

>if the creatures experienced all time simultaneously, then they already had
>squirted the commander out as far as they could tell. why did they give him
>such hell about his kind and intentions when they already experienced the
>whole thing. many other paradoxes boggle.

Because if they hadn't given him such hell about his kind and intentions,
they wouldn't have already experienced the whole thing, since it wouldn't've
ever happened?

-Steve
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Subject: Uplink dates and stations that get tapes?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:51:21 GMT

This is probably a question for Vidiot:

	My station (WPIX-11, New York City) airs TNG 1 week
after uplink. When I called them regarding when they were
showing DS9, it came out that they get it (and both of them, I assume)
on tape instead of via satellite (I neglected to ask why). My 
question is when are the tapes mailed out? I at first assumed
that they were mailed out sometime around the date of uplink, which
would explain the one week delay. But then they showed DS9 (Past Prologue) one
day after uplink (yesterday: Sunday) , so I wonder if they get the
tapes earlier?

'Hope someone can make some sense out of my question...

Thanks.

--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Emissary"
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:53:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

Not to argue too much with Lynch, but while I enjoyed DS9 more than I do
this season of TNG I will make my comments here:

* Sick of GodLike race to which humans must explain humanity.  TNG started
the same way.

* Sick of stupid science.  For the creatures to ask about LINEAR TIME meant
they were experiencing it too.  If not, there would be no reason to say
"Whenever one of you comes through the hole..."  That's called rememebering
and shows linear time.  Stupid science.

* Sick of "divert power through  <x>" scenes.

* Sick of scientific babble.  I don't want to know how they do it.  I get a
feeling that if Kirk were aboard one of these ships the exchange would be:

KIRK: Can you give me more shields?
SOME ENGINEER: Sure, I can divert power through the fassack box and grid up
some power array--
KIRK: I didn't ask you how you'd do it.  I asked if you could do it.
ENGINEER: Yes.
KIRK: Thank you.  Do it.

* Sick of forgetful writers.  Trill's can't transport.  But now they can. 
So what the hell.

******************************************************************************
Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
Apple's)
athos@apple.com
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
******************************************************************************
From: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 airtimes on satellite
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:27:22 GMT
Reply-To: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ren@tramp.cc.utexas.edu

What are the airtimes and satellite/transponders on which satellite owners
can find DS9 feeds?  I'm so used to watching TNG a week ahead of airtime, and
I'm spoiled!
-- 
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From: Stefan_Radermacher@k.maus.de (Stefan Radermacher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: HELP WANTED!
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 17:42:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

My friends and I here in Germany are looking for a helpful hand in the USA.
Unfortunately we are short on Star Trek over here. The show has been cancelled
by German TV as of this year. I am still buying the British TNG tapes from CIC
but the most current tape until now is #54, containing "Hero Worship" and
"Violations". With two tapes a month it will, hoever, take quite some time to
get up to date. And I think that we won't get DS9 for a long time.

Therefore I am now looking for someone who might be willing to make a copy of
the newer episodes for us and send the tapes over to Germany. Of course, I will
cover any expenses for tapes and shipping, and I will add $10 on top of that.

I am misssing the following episodes:

    #114    Conundrum
    #115    Power Play
    #118    Cause And Effect
    #119    The First Duty
    #121    The Perfect Mate
    #122    Imaginary Friend
    #124    The Next Phase
    #125    The Inner Light
    #126    Time's Arrow
    #127    Time's Arrow Part II
    #128    Realm Of Fear
    #129    Man Of The People
    #130    Relics
    #131    Schisms
    #132    True Q
    #133    Rascals
    #134    A Fistful of Datas
    #135    The Quality of Life
    #136    Chain of Command, Part I
    #137    Chain of Command, Part II

    DS9 #1  Emissary

I am also interested in arranging a regular contact for sending the current TNG
and DS9 episodes to Germany.

If anyone would like to be so kind and help us starved fans in Germany please
contact me via mail.

+----------------------------+------------------------------------+
| Stefan Radermacher         | Usenet : sr@k.maus.de              |
| Unter Krahnenbaeumen 52-54 | MausNet: Stefan Radermacher @ K    |
| W-5000 Koeln 1             | Fido   : Stefan Radermacher%Maus K |
| Germany                    |          (2:242/2.6)               |
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:41:29 PST

This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?
All Ferenghi (sp?)  appear to be the same color.  Klingons have minor
shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.
Any black Betazoids?  Black Romulans?  Vulcans?  Sure that tar-thing
that killed Tasha Yar was black but it dosen't count.  It was pure
evil and hatred.  Are humans the only species with skin color
variations?  Oh, yeah, I forgot about the black/white white/black guys
that were fighting in ST:TOS.

     \    /\
      \  /__\
Scott  \/an  \rtsdalen  (white human, Earth)
PP-ASEL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: R.A.M. lists?
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:20:02 GMT

>To: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)

> h>  From the r.a.m. actor list:

In article <726815770.AA02498@csource.oz.au> Chris.Graham@f344.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Graham) asks:
>Could you post the lists of all of the main actors on TNG?

>I'd like to see them and what their acting is like.

This list is posted periodically in rec.arts.startrek.misc .  It'll be
there before you know it.  (It is not posted in rec.arts.startrek.current
because it has nothing to do with recent ST episodes, movies, or
books).

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: Kevin.Karmann@bridge.omahug.org (Kevin Karmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Date: 05 Jan 93 16:19:27 CST
Reply-To: kevin.karmann@bridge.omahug.org
Organization: The Bridge, Bellevue, Ne
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

> >Wrath of Khan. (Incidentally, I forget her ST name, but it wasn't 
> >If you do mean Savick (from either STIII or STIV) then I'm not sur
> >Cheers actress you mean, because she doesn't look familiar to me. 
> >she guest starred on Cheers?) 
>  
> Wait, Here I think you're wrong. I'm quite sure that Savick was ind
> played by her. I know she's in the movie (as you said) but I'm also
> that her character was Savick. It was in STIII that they changed ac
 
Saavik in ST II:TWOK was played by Kirstie Alley (who plays Rebecca on 
"Cheers").  Saavik in ST III:TSFS was played by Robin Curtis, who to 
my knowledge has never been on "Cheers."  (Then again, I don't watch 
"Cheers"...)  Note that it's the same CHARACTER, just played by a 
different person...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: science fiction
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:11:43 GMT

In article <C0C3w6.B1J@rahul.net> kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai) writes:
>Doug Adams is not SF.  It's sarcasm.  Similar to Gulliver's Travels.

Sarcasm??? I beg your pardon, but I do not believe it is sarcasm. Humor, yes.
But where is the sarcasm? Maybe we have different definitions of sarcasm.
What's your's?
-- 
-- Dan Sohl* Why is it that our noses run and our feet smell?
************ Why is it that we play at a recital and recite in a play?
"The other Sheltanac's joopleberry shrub is always a more mauvy shade
of pinky russet."
 dsohl@choate.edu
From: BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: To whomever wants to talk trash about DS9...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:22:26 GMT
Organization: Elon College
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.elon.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Just remember...TNG wasn't all that great it's first season either!  The
characters need time to evolve, and the actors need time to develop the
characters.  Be Patient and I'm positive DS9 will come up to par with TNG
by the end of the season.

BTW, if there's anyone out there with any connections to WLFL FOX-22 in
Raleigh/Durham NC, please let me know when you plan on showing the episodes.

Get this, the second episode is being bumped to a different time because
of a movie (The Fly II) and they moved it to 7pm Monday, pre-empting, of
all things, TNG!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jlanter@spider.wri.com (Jeff Lanter)
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:08:43 GMT

In article <C0Iqwx.CGr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes:
> I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
> What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
> reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
> they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
> must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.
> 
> It reminds me of what a favorite author of mine once said,
> and I paraphrase,"Why should women have to become like
> men to get what men get simply because they ARE men?"
> 
> Know what I'm saying?

Oh for crying out loud.  I think there's something to be said for
"tradition", not to mention the practicality.  As there are aliens of all
colors, races, creeds, and more-than-just-two-genders, I'm sure Starfleet
opted to adopt the masculine as more of a neuter case.  Though I suppose it
could be argued that Starfleet could have *created* a neuter pronoun.

Furthermore, I believe there *are* episodes where terren women in command are
referred to as "ma'am".  What's that episode where Wesley Crusher gets into
hot water at the academy, and goes before the board of inquiry?  I *think*
I caught someone in there addressing the admiral as "ma'am".

--
All opinions stated above are mine, and do not necessarily represent those
of my employer.  Blech.
From: tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie (Mithrandir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deprived in UK (TNG)
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:02:09 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1993Jan11.133312.18125@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:


>I understand that the current repeat showing of TOS by the Beeb is the last TOS
>as the Beeb's rights to TOS run out next year (or something)

  Ha!
 That happened a couple of years ago, as I recall.
 Probabaly four or five actually. 
 The point is that the BBC seem to get the rights to TOS once every few
years anyway.

   Here in Ireland, RTE, our channel service, are progressing nicely if
a bit slowly.
   They are quite a bit ahead of good old BBC in their showings,
thankfully.



>I reckon in 5 years or so "everyone" will have a dish so maybe Sky will be a better
>bet than the Beeb for catching up with the americans.


>tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
>serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
>atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
--
 Haggis: Haggis is a black pudding eaten by the Scots and considered not
only a delicacy, but fit for human consumtion.The minced heart, liver
and lungs of a sheep are mixed with oatmeal and boiled in the sheep's
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 22:29:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan8.111216.1791@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>In article L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:
>>This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?
>>All Ferenghi (sp?)  appear to be the same color.  Klingons have minor
>>shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.
>>Any black Betazoids?  Black Romulans?  Vulcans?  Sure that tar-thing
>>that killed Tasha Yar was black but it dosen't count.  It was pure
>>evil and hatred.  Are humans the only species with skin color
>>variations?  Oh, yeah, I forgot about the black/white white/black guys
>>that were fighting in ST:TOS.
>
>
>Micheal Dorn is "black", Dorn plays Worf, a Klingon. Klingons are aliens.
>Therefore we have "black" aliens

I believe you misinterpreted the question (or left off the
smilie). The poster is asking why aliens in Star Trek, of a
specific species, don't differ in skin color to the degree that
humans do.

There are several possibilities that I can think of:

- Human are unique in the degree to which our skin colors differ.
Perhaps most planets have either very strong UV levels in their
sunlight, generating all-dark skins (eg. Klingons), or very low
UV levels, resulting in fair skins (eg. Vulcans).

- Ethnicities of other species differ in many ways, but skin color
isn't a common differentia. Klingons have different skin tones
and ridge structures (look at Mog's children vs Duras' family for
an extreme example), Romulans have built up foreheads, Mintakans
have slight ridges, and Vulcans have none. Bajorans have
different numbes of nose ridges.


Or, from a 20th century POV (ie, why the casting people don't
make multiple ethnicities among alien species different...):

- The differences between many of Star Trek's alien species (eg,
Vulcans, Romulans, Mintakans) are subtle - if we saw a black
vulcan, viewers might mistake it for a new alien. Whether or not
this is true, it may be what the casting people think.

- This is already a tradition from TOS, TFS, and the first few
seasons of TNG, and while its not PC, to change it now would be
inconsistant.

I imagine that the truth is a combination of these last two, with
the first two being the best 'explanations' as for why this is
the case in the fictoinal universe.

Joshua
|         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
|                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |
From: Kevin.Karmann@bridge.omahug.org (Kevin Karmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 05 Jan 93 16:08:25 CST
Reply-To: kevin.karmann@bridge.omahug.org
Organization: The Bridge, Bellevue, Ne
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current


> Additionally, I think Riker's superb performance in "The Best of Bo
> proved to all that he definitely is the man to beat for the big cha
> Picard ever accept promotion. 
 
That depends on what you want Riker *to do*.  It's always been my 
perception of Picard/Riker that Picard is the master diplomat -- he 
can get a lot of people to agree with him at one time.  Riker, on the 
other hand, is the master strategist of the two.  Not that Picard's 
incapable of strategy, mind you -- he just doesn't have the natural 
ability that Riker seems to at it.  On the other hand, Riker lacks 
Picard's diplomatic skill.  Riker is more apt to head for the phasers 
before trying to talk it out with the other party.  This has gotten 
Picard almost killed twice -- "Darmok" and "The Inner Light."  
When fighting the Borg, he was more or less in his element.  The other 
times, he proved that he was out of his element (i.e. it wasn't a 
place where strategy was required, but patience/diplomacy).  Riker 
does extremely well when dealing with people one on one (an excellent 
example is with Worf in "Ethics"), it's when he tries the same thing 
with a large group of people that I begin to worry.  (Note that I 
don't _dislike_ the Riker character...)