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From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: How do I link my Macs?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:08:03 GMT
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA

In article <1992Nov13.144209.13120@midway.uchicago.edu> rwl2@quads.uchicago.edu (richard william lindstrom) writes:
>      I have a Mac SE running system 6.0.7 and a Powerbook 100 running
> system 6.0.8, and I want to be able to "network" them (just an easy
> way to move files back and forth would be fine).  The Macs are
> supposed to have built in networing capabilities, but damned if there
> is anything in the manuals about it.  I did have them linked together
> briefly when I was running system 7 on the PB 100, but I just couldn't
> handle the overhead in RAM.  Any suggestions would be appreciated,
> especially ones that don't involve capital outlays (if it's going to
> cost many a dollar, I could just upgrade my PB).

First, you may want to limit the text lines in your postings to under
80 characters in length.

Second, I have solved a similar problem with my two Macs with respect
to moving files.  Although both Macs are running System 7, I am not
too fond of having the File Sharing stuff ingesting 300 KBytes of
storage even when not in use.  My solution is to use the commercial
product LapLinkMac from Traveling Software.  It has a lot of nice
features including the capability of connecting to a copy of itself on
another Mac via AppleTalk.  Also, the program can copy files based on
modification date and it appears to be fully compatible with both
System 6 and System 7.  The program can also connect directly via a
null modem cable (same as Apple IW2 printer cable), but I prefer to
use the faster and officially supported speeds of LocalTalk.

The cost of the software is about US$100.  I used a pair of TurboNET
ST network adapters from Focus for about US$15 each plus S&H.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Leo.Hendriks@f611.n2605.z1.ieee.org (Leo Hendriks)
Subject: SADASA
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2605/611 - The MACnetic , Bound Brook NJ
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:05:00 GMT

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From: Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Current Weather Map on Tek Screen: HOW??
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:08:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Tom DeBoni writes
> I've connected with vmd.cso.uiuc.edu and found lots of files whose names
> end if ".gif", but when I fetch them. none are recognized by Giffer.  
What 
> am I misunderstanding here?

If you "fetched" them with Fetch the problem is probably with an obscure  
bug in the vmd.cso.uiuc.edu ftp server.  You can evade this bug by  
checking the "Use 'TYPE I' for binary transfers" preference in Fetch (in  
the Miscellaneous section of the Preferences dialog box).

Jim Matthews
Dartmouth Software Development
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MS Mail 2.x and System 7
From: Joe Simpson <JSIMPSON@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 16:03:43 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Nov10.004903.17534@odin.corp.sgi.com>, hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com
(Mark Hargrove) says:
>
>It is possible to run an MS Mail 2.0 client under system 7?
 
Yes sort of.
No notification.  Sorry.  But the mail works.
Place the DA in Apple Menu items.
Place the cdev in Control Panels.
Place a copy in Extensions
Place another copy in System folder itself
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From: jqj@duff.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:39:09 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: duff.uoregon.edu

We had been planning to build a fairly large modem pool for dialup ARA
access.  This plan was predicated on some assumptions about the growth of
demand, and hence on assumptions about the availablity of ARA clients.  At
$140 or so, we do not expect very many individuals to purchase ARA until
it is a more proven and widely used technology.  However, we expect large
numbers of PowerBook sales to students, and expected this to be an
adequate pool of ARA users to jump start our plans.  At least at this
university, the decision to stop bundling ARA with PowerBooks is likely to
make us slow down deployment of ARA and to look at alternatives (ARNS,
SLIP for Macs, etc.).

I don't particularly mind the unbundling of ARA, as long as it implies
that there will be future product development, particularly in the area
of allowing simultaneous ARA and IP over PPP.  I do, however, mind the
current pricing of ARA.  Current prices are too high for individuals at
the typical university (an environment where we expect lots of very
occasional ARA users), and the lack of site or server-based licensing
arrangements makes it difficult to consider any centrally purchased pool
of ARA licenses to be used in conjunction with a central modem pool.
I understand from Craig Brenner, the ARA Product Manager, that a volume
purchase plan is in the works; depending on price that might address some
of our concerns.  We'll see...

-- 
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Director of Network Services		Internet: jqj@ns.uoregon.edu
Computing Center, Univ. of Oregon	voice:	(503) 346-1746
Eugene, OR  97403-1212			fax: (503) 346-4397
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From: mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew B Englander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: 8 Nov 1992 05:19:06 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: ARA Powerbooks NOT Get a clue Apple

In article <aland.720845539@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> aland@cs.brandeis.edu writes:
>Well, I was just reading MacWeek; I found something very
>disappointing.  Apple has, very quietly, stopped bundling ARA with the
>Powerbooks.  As I have an order in for a PB160, this was very
>disturbing.
>
>Any comments?  Any suggestions as to what I should do?  I was very
>much looking forward to being able to dial into my SE/30 (which can
>already be woken up by a phone call) to transfer files...  I'd rather
>not set up a BBS kind of thing, because I only have one phone line...
>
>Thanks, Apple, for disappointing me yet again.  No flames, please.
>But anyone who knows why Apple would do this, please post or e-mail.

The Apple Canada rep I spoke to mentioned this in the same breath as
charging for 7.1, and not bundling HyperCard with new macs; in order
to keep down their prices for new machines they have to charge extra
for frills.

I bought a PowerBook 140 in May and I doubt I'll ever use ARA; if anyone
wants to buy it from me make an offer (it's still in the shrinkwrapped
package). However, there might be some delay (one month) as many of my
possessions are in storage in Toronto.

Mathew Englander.
From: rlz@svl.cdc.com (Robert L Zalusky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Anybody seen the Microphone yet?
Summary: Anybody seen the Microphone yet?
Keywords: Microphone
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:11:55 GMT

First it was April/May then Sept Now its November.

Has anyone seen / received flyers / or anthing about Microphone

other than what weve seen on the net and MacWeek.

--
The opinions expressed are my own.  Computing Devices International(CDI)
is not responsible or knowledgable about them.

Bob Zalusky
Internet:               rlz@svl.cdc.com
Phone:                  (408) 496-4374
Fax:                    (408) 496-4106
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: a case for downgrading? (from 7.1 - was Re: Marketeers (was MacTCP license fees & Eudora))
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:25:56 GMT

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:
> pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul Big-Ears Menon) quotes Apple as saying:

>> "Please note that MacX 1.1.7 is not compatible with System 7.1 which will
>> be [ shipped with all Macintosh computers ] beginning October 1992"

>	I wonder if this includes a right to "down-grade" to an earlier OS
>	version 7.01 and/or 6.08....

>	maybe we should encourage all new customers to do this...

Oh, thanks.  You forget, I can't.  My PB160 won't run any system
earlier than 7.1.  Oh well, I guess I won't be able to connect to the
network.  Which means I won't be able to do my job here at the
university.  Which I guess means Apple is going to lose even more
customers...

>	[ I'm sorry, I can't get a smiley out of my keyboard ... :-{

Understandably...

	-=Alan
From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:13:03 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


In article <sdorner-101192120156@0.0.0.0> (comp.sys.mac.comm), sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:
> I doubt I can persuade Qualcomm to buy a redistribution license (I don't
> know the new price on those) without being able to recoup the cost.  Giving
> Eudora away is one thing; paying for giving Eudora away is another.

So here we are witnessing stallman's warnings come true.

This is really a shame, as the Macintosh was well on its
way to being a superior interface to the Internet and now
Apple wants to put an anchor on the tail of progress.

I figured they would *drop* the high license fee for MacTCP
after they re-couped some of there R&D investment, but I guess
I was being naive.


tim endres - time@ice.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:10:31 GMT

wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo) writes:

>In article <1dub6kINNb14@morrow.stanford.edu>, Malcolm Pradhan 
>>  Could someone post the "official" channel for comment/complaint/pleading
>> to Apple about the ridiculous decisions regarding MacTCP and MacX
>> licensing. Somehow I don't think Apple will listen but complaints
>> should be registered.

>Apple Customer Assistance Center

There is one problem with this: I called them just today. The person I
spoke with had no clue there was even such a plan to raise the
licensing fees and suggested I call Software Licensing. Calling
software licensing got me a recording, so I left my name and address
to have them send me the MacTCP license information. When I have it,
maybe I'll call back ACAC, but it would be nice if they got the
information before Usenet did. I called them earlier this week to ask
about the announcement at Interop about MacTCP 2.0 and the TCP/IP
Connection. Again, noone had a clue about what I was talking about.
This doesn't seem too good.

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: Mike_Peters@vos.stratus.com (Mike Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: SLIP Service Providers?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:50:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I'm familar with CompuServe and UUNET, however, I'm looking for companies
that provide affordable SLIP connectivity for the small business and/or
home user.  These users would like access to Internet for UUCP mail, USENET
and other TCP/IP services.  I'm particularly interested in such services in
the western US, most notably Arizona.

Please send E-mail responses to the address(es) below.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: bobg@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca (Bob M. Grahame)
Organization: EdgeWays! InfoLink - A FirstClass GUI BBS - "The Edge of Communications and GateWays to the World." North Vancouver, BC Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:00:23 PST
Subject: Re: FirstClass Anyone

Yup, it is working aside from the occasional Error 1027 which fills my PUL log,
and the fact that my host system is pretty busy and I do not get through
often.

Stewart Lynch (CompuLink 44) or the North Vancouver School Board is pretty
interested in Internet. Some of his users access it a lot with Eudora.

Has MAGIC found any hitches with PUL? 

Should I go through Scott @ OneNet for the backbone FC feeds when I am ready?
How long do the basic feeds take to transfer?

See Ya!

Bob M. Grahame * Administrator/E-Publisher 
EdgeWays! InfoLInk GUI BBS 
"The Edge of Communications and Gateways to the World"
A friendly information service bringing a wonderful new world to your desktop.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Subject: PB 100 drops characters when making beep noises
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:56:08 GMT

I've got a PowerBook 100 (System 6.0.7, 4 MB, 20 MB disk) that I'm using
in conjunction with an external 2400 bps modem connected through the
printer port.  I'm currently using ZTerm 0.9 for a comm program.

The problem: whenever the host I'm connected to sends a beep signal (ctrl-G),
my machine does indeed beep, but it drops characters for the duration of the
beep.  This results in some interesting omissions on myscreen.  I thought
that maybe the length of the sound was the problem, but I'm using one of
the stock beeps, "Monkey" in this case.

Does anyone else have this problem?  What did you do to solve it?

-- 
Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: bernt@Kimura.Stanford.EDU (Bernt Guldbrandtsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:53:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University

In article <BxIuFu.Gu8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert) writes:
|> In article <sdorner-101192120156@0.0.0.0> sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:
|> >Rumor has it Apple has decided to take the price of MacTCP through the
|> >roof.  I'm told that an internal use license for corporations has gone from
|> >$2500 *one-time* to $5000 *annually*.  Seemingly Apple would just as soon
|> >that no low-cost MacTCP software exist. Typical Apple policy--Free Bad,
|> >Expensive Good.
|> ...
|> >--
|> >APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
|> >
|> >Cupertino, CA
|> >
|> >Effective immediately, Apple Computer, Inc., has decided to unbundle the
|> >"return" key from Apple keyboards.  This allows us to lower the price of
|> >our keyboards by $.01.  Users wishing to buy a return key will be able to
|> >do so through their local Dealership.  The kits will cost $99.95 installed,
|> >and are expected to be available 1Q93.  "We think this will enable more
|> >users to get return keys," said Apple chairman Scully.  "Also, we want the
|> >money."
|> 
|> Good show, Steve.
|> 
|> 
|> As one of the many developers of software that uses MacTCP, I think
|> it would be a bad move on Apple's part to drive up the price of MacTCP.
|> 
|> There are now many people extolling the virtues of Macintoshes because
|> of the high quality of Internet software available on Macs (see, e.g,
|> recent letter to InfoWorld, reviews of various MacTCP-based programs
|> in MacWeek, MacWorld, MacUser), which generally surpasses that available
|> on other computing platforms.  Steve Dorner's Eudora is a prime example
|> of software that will sell computers.  Easy access to e-mail and other
|> Internet services is something that a Macintosh with MacTCP and a network
|> connection can provide better than any other computer brand.
|> 
|> If Apple drives up the price of MacTCP, instead of bringing it down,
|> they will be shutting doors on users and developers.  Many of these
|> people cannot afford higher prices for network access.  
|> -- 
|> Don Gilbert                                     gilbert@bio.indiana.edu
|> biocomputing office, biology dept., indiana univ., bloomington, in 47405

And, once users hold back on upgrading their MacTCP, imagine the joy of
developing software compatible with 2 or 4 or more obsolete old 
back-versions of MacTCP.

Happy developing!

Bernt Guldbrandtsen                          bernt@weinberg.pop.bio.aau.dk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: michaelg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Greenwald)
Subject: 14.4K modems (+ Fax), any problems?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:50:22 GMT

Does anyone have any negative reviews of the cheap 14.4 data/14.4 Fax
modems that are on the market these days?

I'm talking about the Magic Modems, the Zoom, etc.

Why are these so much cheaper than other modems of comparable power?
Why are people still paying for the more expensive ones?  In other
words, what's the difference between the cheap ones and the expensive
ones?  Are there any problems with the cheaper ones?  (And is there
much difference between them?

Thanks for any info,
Michael Greenwald
Greenwald@cs.stanford.edu
From: jtang@hpsgl1.sgp.hp.com (Jerry TANG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Can I make a printer attached to a Mac available to Ethertalk networks?
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:46:02 GMT
Organization: Asia Peripherals Division, HP Singapore

What you need is routing software that will route your EtherrTalk packets to
LocalTalk. There is also routing hardware available that will do the same job
but this is of course more expensive. The software option is cheaper but slows
your Mac down whenever packets are routed from LocalTalk to EtherTalk.

Software solutions that will do this are : -
Apple Internet Router v2.0.x ??
Farallon Liaison v???

They work fairly well but I forget what version they are currently at now.

Hope that helps. Have fun.

Jerry Tang.
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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: a case for downgrading? (from 7.1 - was Re: Marketeers (was MacTCP license fees & Eudora))
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:48:00 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

 pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul Big-Ears Menon) quotes Apple as saying:

> "Please note that MacX 1.1.7 is not compatible with System 7.1 which will
> be [ shipped with all Macintosh computers ] beginning October 1992"


	hmm....

	I wonder if this includes a right to "down-grade" to an earlier OS
	version 7.01 and/or 6.08....

	maybe we should encourage all new customers to do this...

	[ I'm sorry, I can't get a smiley out of my keyboard ... :-{
-- 
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              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: sharing sys 6 files with sys 7 machine
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:21:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

In article <1992Nov5.070956.12562@cs.ucla.edu>, flowers@lanai.cs.ucla.edu
(Margot Flowers) wrote:
> 
> For purposes of copying large amounts of the hard disk, I'm trying to
> network a CI running system 6.0.5 with a CI running system 7.  I
> recall that some special sequence of actions was necessary for doing
> this successfully (I have done this in the past).  For the life of me
> I cannot recapture what the magic was that allowed me to do this
> previously.  Anyone know?  Any other suggestions for copying masses of
> folders & files from the system 6 machine to the system 7 one by
> directly connecting them?

Turn on File Sharing on the System-7 machine.  Log on to the system 7
machine from the system 6 machine, then copy the files to the system 7
drive.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jconklin@scott.skidmore.edu (jason conklin)
Subject: eE-Mailing Compuserve
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
 is there any way to e-mail to compuserve from the internet?
 if anyone knows please e-mail me thank you
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:25:04 GMT
From: pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul Big-Ears Menon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Marketeers (was MacTCP license fees & Eudora)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:20:08 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia

In article <frank-121192163403@dora.mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au>, frank@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (Frank Horowitz) writes:
>In the short run, I'm sticking with MacTCP 1.1 and MacX 1.1.7; they work
>tolerably well, and the license is adequate for my needs.

If only...

To quote the letter I received with the Site License Update "Addendum" ...

"Please note that MacX 1.1.7 is not compatible with System 7.1 which will
be installed on all Macintosh computers shipping from Apple Computer
beginning October 1992"

In other words, they have you by the short and curlies.  The run will
indeed be short.

Oh, and for a real good laugh, this appears to be their reasoning:

"With this new version we are introducing new licensing options and fees
for MacX to provide alternatives designed to better fit customer needs."

I didn't know whether to laugh or tear the thing up...

I can see what comes next - a Q&A document.  It makes them feel better.

Paul Menon
pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au
Computer Science, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology,
124 La Trobe Street, Melbourne, Victoria 3001, Australia
Ph: +61 3 660 - 3209/2348	Fx: +61 3 662 1617
From: Danny W. McCampbell <danny@utkux1.utk.edu>
Subject: ANSI COMM PROGRAM?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72910B27C01CC3E@revelation.utcc.utk.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12: 58:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:59:44 GMT

Is there a good ANSI Terminal Program outthere that
will not only use a modem, but use MacTCP for Telnet
connections?  Thanks.

Danny