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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Who Is Standing Behind Leo?  Thread__Re: More unanswered questions
Summary: ^Episode 1002^
Keywords: Who's That?  Is There Somebody With You?  "Never mind."
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:03:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

^David, Jon and myself are talking about:^

>>>If Jacoby was standing behind Leo during the drug sale that would mean that
>>>Jacoby and Leo were working together because Leo acted like he knew that
>>>someone was standing behind him.  I doubt this...

>>     Yeah, couldn't be Jacoby.  Wonder what made whoeveritwas think "Jacoby??"

>1) a glance at the episode.  To me it LOOKS like him.

     What looks like him?  A shadow outlinging a body?  From the SHAPE
     of him (i.e., Big and Round), it looks like Jaques to me (but that
     proves or disproves nothing).

>2) An episode or two after this, Jacoby confronts Bobby about his dealings
>(including the drug dealings) with Laura.  This implies that he's been
>doing some checking up.

     This implies that Laura was his patient.

>3) Jacoby was already following Leo, as he later said in #2001.

     In his confession in 2001, Jacoby says that he followed Leo
     the night after Laura died.  Never mentioned following Leo
     again and as he was spilling all the beans, even those 
     protected by doctor-pa
     there's no reason to believe he followed Leo again.

4) Jacques & Bernie didn't come into the plot until an episode or two
>later in the series.

     Nope.  In the pilot Ed Hurley was steaking out the Roadhouse
     because Jaques (who we didn't see in the pilot) was bartending
     and he was a suspect in drugrunning operations.  Jaques was
     first mentioned in 1001, first seen in 1003.  So he was very
     much a part of the plot during 1002.
     And anyway, Twin Peaks at that point was seamless in structure.
     The point of having someone behind Leo is to suggest - (gasp!) -
     someone BEHIND Leo, get it?  

>Still, it's a good point that Leo didn't seem too concerned about who
>was behind him.  I'd put that down to Leo's arrogance and natural stupidity.
>But still, conspiracy theories are always welcome...

     No conspiracy.  This isn't even a mystery.  We ^know^ who it
     was.  We know ^why^ it was (i.e., he was there).  No conspiracy
     here.  

          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: 84@arms.UUCP ("Floyd")
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: laserdisc
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: arms.29e1c9c2.arms
Organization: Farthinghale Arms BBS (+1 904 378 4861)

Someone posted a while ago that an American version of the boxed
laserdisc set was going to be issued this summer.  Does anyone know if
that set will contain the American version of the premiere episode, i.e.
we see Jacoby's gloved hand take the necklace at the end instead of
Cooper's dream.  If this version will not be issued in the set, does
anyone know if it has been or will be issued at all?
From: abakker@cs.vu.nl (Arno BAKKER)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Diary inconsistent? (was: Laura = Maddy)
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:01:13 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

In article <1992Apr8.120602.8420@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:
>In article <13835@star.cs.vu.nl>, abakker@cs.vu.nl (Arno BAKKER) writes...
>} And am I mistaking or was Maddy Lauras niece?, that's what the diary says.
>
>Maybe it's a translation error (I assume that you're reading it in Dutch?).
>The diary as published here in the US refers to Maddy as Laura's cousin.

In Dutch there is only one word for niece/cousin
so I just piked one, because I can't really remember what the semantics
are.

		Arno
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: ALBERT IS THE MAN !
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:41:39 GMT

>jsbt+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua Paul Smith) writes...
>>Just curious if anyone has some good quotes from Albert.

	1005 (?):  To Sheriff Truman

	Albert: Look! I'ts trying to think!

BBC
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Owl Flying Over Car Wreck - After Leland Buys The Farm
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I always thought this sequence had to do with the BOB/Windom Earle
     connection.  Remember that when they find the guy strung up in
     Harry's office at the end of the next episode ("three days later")
     Doc Hayward explains that the corpse had been either in a car
     accident or hit by a car or something - and that said incident had
     occured about three or four days earlier. 

     Seemed like a nice intricate Twin Peaks plot connection to me.
     What does everyone else think (and correct my references - it's
     been a while since I've watched that - I think poor - episode)

          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Looking For Second Season Soundtrack...
Keywords: Hot Damn That Pie Is Good!
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr6.203016.7301@unx.sas.com>, saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes) writes...
>In article <1992Apr6.025624.15916@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>>
>>     A while ago I seem to remember hearing (somewhere, not sure if
>>     it was here) that ^Twin Peaks Soundtrack Volume 2,^ music from
>>     the second season, had been released.

>It was here.  As far as I know, it was a joke--I don't recall
>who posted it.  Maybe it was last year's April Fool's joke.
>Seriously, by the time a vol. 2 of the TP soundtrack would have
>come out, the series was going straight down the tubes in ratings.
>No one's going to buy the CD if no one (in the eyes of the network
>and/or recording industry weasels) is watching the show.
>-- 

     That wouldn't have much to do with it, whoever the decision falls
     to (and I think it would fall to Baddalamenti, who produced the
     first album).  Naturally, the album wouldn't be released on 
     a MAJOR MAJOR label -- the first one is on the WB label, which
     is rather large, but it was at a different time in the show's
     popularity.

     Anyway, there will have to be a soundtrack released for the movie,
     but why couldn't there be a disc of second season music?  Beauty and
     the Beast has been off the air for ages now.  Linda Hamilton (for
     the first time) and Ron Perlman (for the second) just recorded
     a second "Of Love and Hope" album, music from the tv series interposed
     with them reading love poetry.  

          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mam28@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Did you watch the last episode of "Nightmare Cafe"?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.190207.5371@unx.sas.com> saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.161648.7983@cas.org>, mam28@cas.org writes:
>>I believe the LMFAP also appeared.
>>--
>I also was convinced that Michael Anderson played one of the
>little people, but when the credits ran "his" character was
>played by someone other than Michael Anderson.  Can't recall
>the name, but the actor sure did look a good deal like him.
>
>It's sad that that was the last episode, but at least they
>went out in style!  I thoroughly enjoyed that ep, and all
>the episodes of "Nightmare Cafe" that I managed to catch.
>I was, however, rooting for Frank Silva (aka BOB) to be
>piloting the spaceship... :->
>
>
>--
>
>Ed Hughes, SAS Institute  | "See no evil...well, maybe just a little...
>Cary, NC                  |  yeah!"
>                          | --Joel, "Women of the Prehistoric Planet,"
>                          |          MST3000

I stand corrected.  I must have been in a Lynch mode after just
seeing Blue Velvet for the first time.

Even the voice sounded like LMFAP.  I'm still not convinced.
I'm going to have to find a TP tape with LMFAP appearing
so, that I can tell the difference.  OH well...

Mike
-- 
mam28@cas.bitnet
All opinions expressed are my own.
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Somebody with Leo During 1002 Drug Deal (was: Re: More unanswered ques)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:28:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.221026.29572@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes...

}} Yes, but suppose that Leo *didn't* know there was someone behind him. He
}} could've thought that Bobby was trying to distract his attention by saying
}} that there's someone behind him. It *is* about as old as the "your shoe's
}} untied" line.

}     Bobby: Who's that?  Is somebody with you?
}     (Insert Shot: SOMEBODY (large) STEPS BEHIND A TREE OUT OF SIGHT)
}     Leo: (without looking): Never mind.

} Leo obviously knew there was somebody with him

Did he?  Is it really that difficult to believe that he might have figured
that Bobby was pulling his leg?

} - and it was either Jaques or Bernie Renault

It "was". Proof please. I don't want to hear "well, it must've been because
they were his drug-running partners". I want to hear *proof*. Do you have
the writer or director's sworn word that that's who it was?

}} No, it's not so off-the-wall. Jacoby admitted to Cooper that he followed
}} Leo (not naming him by name) on the night Laura died. Why shouldn't we
}} imagine that he'd follow him in the days *after* Laura died, especially
}} if he suspects that Leo might've had something to do with Laura's death?

} First of all: it's a silly idea. The drug deal has nothing to do with
} Jacoby and everything to do with the Renault brothers.

So what?  How do you know that the Renaults weren't up in Canada at the
moment. They don't have to be present at every drug deal that Leo is
doing. And since, as I stated, we know Jacoby followed Leo once before,
so the fact that he was there DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO THE
DRUG DEAL. Therefore your point isn't necessarily relevant.

} And more relevantly: in 2001, in the hospital bed, Jacoby spilled all his
} beans to Cooper, "doctor patient confidentiality" notwithstanding and he
} never mentioned that he had followed Leo on any other occasion.  

Because it didn't have any relevance to the murder of Laura Palmer.

} As I said, you should watch the episode again, IMO.  Your memory seems
} a little, and understandably, rusty with time.

Don't leap to conclusions over which you have not a clue. Since I got the
Japanese laserdisc set a couple of months ago, I've been working my way
through the entire set. It hasn't been that long since I've watched that
episode.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: jerrett@iastate.edu (Gregory A Jerrett)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Dune
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:58:05 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Apr14.192500.5755@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>
>Scott asks:
>
>>>     Did anyone besides me ^like^ _Dune_??
>
>Greg responds:
>
>>Yes.  I understand that David Lynch was unhappy about the final product
>>but I thought it was a better than average attempt to adapt a novel
>>which was considered unadaptable.  
>>I was lucky to see the extended version, which was rough but contained some 
>>scenes from the book previously excluded from the film.
>
>     Did you happen to notice the director's credit in that extended
>     version?  "Alan Smithee" is the pseudonym the Director's
>     Guild generally uses when the director of a movie petitions them 
>     to have his name removed from the final product.  Lynch did so and
>     and had the names changed - because De Laurentis editied in hours
>     of rough footage that Lynch shot but didn't put in his own version.
>
>     Anyway, do you actually like the long, drawn out, winding longer
>     version or the taut, suspenseful and polished shorter?     
>
>>I have also heard that Lynch has always been interested in doing
>>Franz Kafka's "Metamorphosis."  Lynch said he probably would never  
>>get to do it, however, because he would not be able to find an insect of that
>>size that would work for reasonable pay.
>>Frankly, I would like to see him take a crack at it.  If anybody can do it,
>>he can.
>
>     Well, I heard that he was going to shoot Metamorphosis next.
>     There was an bit in Variety about it.  But, more recently,
>     I heard that Lynch would instead finally shoot Ronny Rocket
>     with Frost producing and no word on the star (Kyle....).
>
>                ^She's My Cousin But Doesn't She^
>                      ^Look Almost Exactly^
>           ____________^Like Laura Palmer^____________
>          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu^ 


The smooth final version is easier to watch, of course, but the long version,
with due respect to David Lynch, is interesting, from my perspective.
I read the book when was I was just a nipper and saw the movie(short version)
before I had any idea of who Lynch was.  I was impressed with the short version
but noticed that some bits were missing.  There is a scene in the book where
a former retainer from House Atreides is fighting in a gladiatorial battle
with Feyd Rautha.  The man, still loyal to House Atreides, has
drawn on his leg, with his own blood, the Atreides Hawk.
I won't spoil the scene if there is anyone out there intending to read
the book, but it was spectacular and Lynch could have made it even better.

The "Alan Smithee" point was interesting.  No, I hadn't seen that, but I knew
Lynch's name wasn't on it.
Also, I would be interested hearing whatever information you have on
 "Metamorphosis."  Or should we start writing _Metamorphosis_?
From: stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Angriest Dog in The World?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 00:45:25 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

 I've been looking around for a compilation that I believe somebody spoke of 
about Lynch's cartoon strip "The Angriest Dog in the World", I've heard a 
largely negative opinion of the strip, but I would like to read it all the 
same and at least have a look at it and see what the drawings themselves 
look like. (Even though they're apparently all the same)
 
 Does anybody know where to find this stuff?
From: wiljo@freeside.ki.open.de (Wiljo Heinen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:18:14 GMT
Organization: OPeN - The Digital Advantage

digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca (Scott Anguish) writes:

>And, since I am asking, is the series available on LaserDisc?

yes it is. in Japan.

-- 
Wiljo Heinen  **  Sternstrasse 2  **  D - W2300 Kiel 1  ** voice: +49-431-95311
wiljo@freeside.ki.open.de   /\__/\   "My symptoms suggest the onset of malaria"
From: cs88mmp@brunel.ac.uk (Matthew Pass)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Movie info wanted
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:56:58 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK

byron@terapin.com (Byron Go (really!)) writes:
: 
: Side note:  Can anybody tell me how to get in touch with the Twin Peaks
: Gazette and ask about issues I may have missed?  (I moved and lost the box
: with all my TP stuff in it.)
:

Can someone tell me what this TP Gazette is, please?

Cheers,

Uncle Matty
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet/Twin Peaks vs. Wild at Heart
Date: 15 Apr 1992 00:43:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: cs012112@cs.brown.edu's message of 14 Apr 92 23:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.232742.13646@cs.brown.edu> cs012112@cs.brown.edu (Lee Jack Humphrey) writes:
   In article <92104.164101SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
   |>     I think that Wild at Heart was David Lynch's stab at trying something diffe
   |> rent, and as for the plot, I don't really feel that he could be blamed, as he
   |> lifted it from a book (name and author escapes me at this time).

   Actually, i heard that Barry Gifford, the author of Wild At Heart, disliked
   Lynch's screen adaptation of his novel.  Can anyone confirm that?

If I remember correctly, Gifford said he disliked _Blue Velvet_, but
did like _Wild At Heart_.  As well he might, given that the movie
follows the book fairly faithfully.  The major consistent difference
is the presence of the Wizard of Oz imagery throughout the movie,
which is not in the book, and the significance of ``Love Me Tender''.
Reading the novel was fairly spooky, since what seemed to be pure
Lynch dialogue turned out to be present in Gifford.

   As for blame, I don't agree that there should be blame.  Wild At Heart is an
   EXCELLENT book without standard plot devices, and I feel the same about the
   movie.  The book, IMHO, was better for one reason and one reason only: Sailor
   and Lulu don't get back together in the end.  David's self-mocking
   super-sickly-sweet ending was a little much for me, although it was good for a
   laugh.  Just had a thought- could he have been making fun of happy endings?
   I can see that. Hmm.

Now however could the presence of Glynda the Good be construed as
making fun of happy endings???  (Perhaps the fact that Sailor was
wacked on the head before the end indicates that it's all a
hallucination.  Perhaps Sailor is squeezing toothpaste out of a tube,
even as we speak...)

-30-
Bob

``How's Lula?''
From: daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Vertigo)
Subject: Re: Angriest Dog in The World?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:33:15 GMT

holsteij@scott.skidmore.edu  writes:
> In article <eqcBJB1w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca> stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas) writes:
> 
> > I've been looking around for a compilation that I believe somebody spoke of 
> >about Lynch's cartoon strip "The Angriest Dog in the World", I've heard a 
> >largely negative opinion of the strip, but I would like to read it all the 
> >same and at least have a look at it and see what the drawings themselves 
> >look like. (Even though they're apparently all the same)
> > 
> > Does anybody know where to find this stuff?
>  Yes.  I don't know where it was originally published, but reprints are 
> currently being cuirculated in a Comics Anthology "Cheval Noir", published 
> by Dark Horse Comics.  Ask in any reputable comic book shop, and they should 
> be able to show you a copy or two.  I believe they run 2-4 of the Lynch 
> strips per issue....
> 							-Grendel

   It's two per issue.  I wouldn't pay the five bucks for just
the one page.  The other stories may be interesting, but they
are serialized and wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.  I have
bought an issue and if I find it I might be able to photo-copy
the Dog page and mail it to interested parties.  Anyways, I
usually just amble over, read the Lynch page, give a good
little chuckle, and put the comic down.  I kind of like the
stuff.  Some of it is a little silly, but some is really
funny, "Who is this San Andreas guy, anyway?  I can't believe it's
all his Fault." (heeheehee)

					Dave

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: HELP!  Missing two episodes from my collection
From: cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:41:16 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Hi!  I have a sad tale to tell.

I recently indexed my videotape collection, and found nearly ALL of the Twin
Peaks episodes were saved.  Joy!

BUT, I'm missing the last two episodes BEFORE the final two-parter.  I would
really like to get a good copy of these (like, from those nifty laserdiscs). 
If anyone would be willing to discuss some sort of trade or something (I have
almost every episode of Star Trek TNG, Ren n' Stimpy, and Tiny Toons on file),
please send me E-Mail.

Thanks in advance,

Chris
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"The physical and emotional cost is quite high.  It is the artist's
 calculated risk... Like the candle that will only burn for just so long...
 You can force it to burn brighter, but it will also burn faster... You pay
 for it... Still... I'd rather do that than flicker dimly in a corner."

                                             - Gene Roddenberry (1921-1991)
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From: mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Anthony Carnevale)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Logging trucks
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:22:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:

>Someone in the room wants to know what the the logging trucks that keep
>going back and forth in front of the diner in twin peaks and blue velvet
>mean..  I didn't have any stupendous answer for that.

It means that Twin Peaks is a logging town.

I don't know what else it could mean.  I would suggest that that
"someone in the 
room" should quit trying to make everything in the show be symbolic.  IT'S
JUST A TRUCK!!!

but Twin Peaks is not just a show...it's a lifestyle.

-mc
Xref: sparky alt.tv.twin-peaks:1375 rec.arts.tv:9704 rec.arts.tv.uk:2587
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: UK TP and did leland move?
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:36:52 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton) writes:

>Twin Peaks was slightly different in the UK.  As has been noted,
>some eposides were edited.  (Miss Jones attack on Truman lost
>20 seconds, about 10 were replaced by frames shown earlier,
>about 10 were simply missing.  I know this because I have
>the UK and US versions on tape and timed them.)

I can well believe it - it didn't make much sense the way it was shown
here...

>But there wre other changes.  No commericals, for one.  So no
>"have a doughnut.  Twin Peaks will be right back" or whatever
>it was Lucy said.  And no "last week on Twin Peaks" (or was
>it next week)?

We got a "previously on Twin Peaks" at the start of each episode, but
no "next week...". The "previously"s are also included at the start of
*every* episode on the commercially available videotapes.

>I watched the episode in which Leland died in the US but don't
>have it on tape.  After it was over, there was a little bit at
>the end in which Laland moved, as if he was still alive.  Well,
>that's what I remember anyway.  But it didn't happen in the UK
>version, and I'm no longer sure just what I saw in the US.
>
>Does anyone remember anything like that?

I don't, and there isn't anything like that on the commercial tape, which
I recently bought.


/jon

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