HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (larry carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,alt.emusic
Subject: New Ezine about Experimental Music Available
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:14:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Alt-167


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 ---------The First Electronic Magazine Dedicated To Difficult Music--------

                     Experimental Music-Electronic Forum
                     ===================================
                             Issue #1  Out Now
                     ===================================
                     ~Interview with M/SR
                     ~Mike Hovancsek talks about Pointless
                      Music
                     ~Thomas Sutter on his work with
                      Regicide Bureau
                     ~Some Cheesy Database thing that'll
                      give you names and numbers from 
                      around the globe
                     ~In standard VGA for machines running 
                      DOS <or something that'll emulate it 
                      I guess, mouse also required for the 
                      zine to work properly.>
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                                 -=Alt-167=-

    Contact DJE2@Ra.Msstate.Edu or Sol@Sleepy.cc.uTexas.edu for more info
                           (or autoreply this post)



I just u/l'd it to wuarchive.wustl.edu in the pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS section
so you can grab it from there if you like..









Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Jay_Tobias@taligent.com (Jay Tobias)
Subject: JV-880 Shortage?
Organization: Taligent
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:10:18 GMT

The Roland JV-880 seems awful hard to come by.  Is there some story behind this,
or is it just a demand vs. supply issue?
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: \*BAD\* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.175134.90362@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>  
krw1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kevin Weiner) writes:
> >Most of them didn't even know a vote was going on...UNLIKE the American
> 
> Count me among those who were clueless about any vote.  Frankly, there's
> so much noise in this group that it's hard to pick up on something like
> that.  Perhaps another vote would be in order, now that the issue has
> broken through the noise?
> -- 
> 
> 

Unfortunately I'm sure that will never happen due to this religious  
conviction to the net guidelines. At times like this the net seems like a  
cross between a bloated bureaucracy and the moral majority.

"Change the guidelines - good luck"

"A CFV was posted that didn't reference the name of your group. You were  
supposed to read it. You didn't? Too bad."

"People that religiously read news.groups but don't read your group have  
decided your fate because they read everything and have a much better idea  
of where your group belongs and should be labelled than you do."

Just peachy.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mabed@chinug.acns.nwu.edu (Mohammed Abed)
Subject: presence compilations series
Reply-To: mabed@chinug.acns.nwu.edu (Mohammed Abed)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:29:54 GMT

D I V I D E D 

P.O.Box 8302
chicago, IL 60680
(312) 489-3951
mabed@robbie.acns.nwu.edu



Re: Please post this letter or share it with individuals who might be  
interested.



Greetings:

DIVIDED is presently accepting submissions for a series of several  
compilations to be released beginning in the spring and summer of next  
year.  Any composer working in the electronic / electroacousitc / Computer  
music fields are welcome to submit compositions for consideration.   
DIVIDED was founded a year ago to pursue lesser known composers worldwide  
and give greater exposure to this genre of music. Recently we released  
"Scend" by Jim O'Rourke and are expecting the release of new works by  
Jean-Francois Denis early in 1993. 

PRESENCE is DIVIDEDs ongoing compilation project. Each compact disc  
released will contain several composers. All compositions submitted should  
be on DAT and may not be longer than fifteen minutes each. The deadline to  
submit entries for the initial CD is January 31st.93. A properly  
self-addressed stamped envelope should be included to retrieve one's  
master tape.                                                                          
                                                                      
We believe the copyrights should remain with the composers. The production  
rights shall be given to DIVIDED while the CD is in print and a contract  
will be drawn allowing composers fifteen percent of the wholesale price of  
each CD.                             

By assembling these compilations we wish to bring to listeners new works  
by international composers which are artistically innovative and dynamic  
as well as emotionally engaging. DIVIDED wishes to encourage all composers  
working in these fields to submit compositions knowing that their work  
will be seriously considered.

Please direct all correspodence to the above address.


Mohammad Abed				Ken Hoenigman
From: kraig@biostr.washington.edu (Kraig Eno)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Copyright on patches
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:02:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: biostr.1992Nov6.171541.1
Organization: University of Washington

>For many synths one can buy ROM or RAM cards with patches. In general these
>patches are copyrighted. What I was asking myself is '*what* exactly is
>copyrighted?'. The longer I think about it the stranger it gets...

I agree, it's a very interesting question.  I've never bought a commercial
patch library, so I don't know what kind of legal language they write on the
package, but this is the way I understand the issue:  the byte sequence itself
is what is copyrighted.  You can't copyright an idea, but you can copyright
the written expression of it (am I right?).  The byte stream might be a list
of synth parameters on paper, or a disk file of sysex data, or an EPROM full
of the data.  The copyright means "you can't copy this" -- that is, you can't
transmit it to another computer, you can't print it, you can't re-type it,
basically you can't do anything that would generate another useable copy such
that someone else could get to it without paying for it.

This means that, yes, even a 200-byte patch is safe.  It doesn't mean that
you can't be seen with that same 200-byte sequence in one of your own
computer files, or that you can't come up with the same patch yourself and
use it; it means that if you see the 200-byte sequence somewhere and copy
it without paying for the right to do so, THAT'S where the lawyers step in.

You could do the same thing with your 800-byte program.  It doesn't mean that
someone else can't write a program that does the same thing, but if they read
your code and type it in themselves, that's an infringement.  It doesn't matter
how short or long the thing is, or even how useful it is -- I mean, if
usefulness determines legal status, then I'd say the vast majority of
commercial packages should lose their copyright!  My own feelings, of course.

None of this is necessarily true, it's just the way I understand it.

Kraig Eno, kraig@biostr.washington.edu
 Chimneys rise from man's domain, the sky returns the acid rain
 Heaven's gift with human stain      (Tom Howard, "Storm Moving On")
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Kenneth J. Stineman <stineman@phoenix.princeton.edu>
Subject: FOR SALE: Opcode Studio Plus II  Macintosh Midi Interface
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72839B632026802@dnwalkerkip2.princeton.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:41:26 GMT
Organization: Princeton University Class of '93
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:37:36 GMT

For Sale:

Opcode Studio Plus II

great condition, no manuals.
Great starting out Mac -> MIDI interface.
Allows 32 MIDI channels to transmit (or recieve) simultaniously!

MAKE AN OFFER!

DO NOT REPLY ON THIS BOARD, I NEVER READ IT
ALL REPLIES BY EMAIL OR PHONE TO:
Hardin Gray
AHGRAY@COLBY.EDU
OR
(207) 877-4338
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Kenneth J. Stineman <stineman@phoenix.princeton.edu>
Subject: FOR SALE: Opcode Studio Plus II  Macintosh Midi Interface
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7283692C9016802@dnwalkerkip2.princeton.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:28:02 GMT
Organization: Princeton University Class of '93
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:24:09 GMT

For Sale:

Opcode Studio Plus II

great condition, no manuals.
Great starting out Mac -> MIDI interface.
Allows 32 MIDI channels to transmit (or recieve) simultaniously!

MAKE AN OFFER!

DO NOT REPLY ON THIS BOARD, I NEVER READ IT
ALL REPLIES BY EMAIL OR PHONE TO:
Hardin Gray
AHGRAY@COLBY.EDU
OR
(207) 877-4338
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@ranger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: SYNC -to- MIDI ?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72694C79402C0D8@rahab.ljo.dec.com>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:45:27 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:44:21 GMT

In article <101441@bu.edu> Jonathan Disegi, jdisegi@bu.edu writes:
>I have several pieces of equipment that use the SYNC interface standard.
>Is there any way I can convert the sync signal into a midi signal?

Yes, a Roland SBX-10 is ideal for this.  Pay around $50.00 used; they are
not made
any more.  I have seen other Roland SBX models (fancier) but am not sure
if they provide this function.

The SBX-10 (many thanks to Edd Cote for copying his manual for me) does
Synch to MIDI, MIDI to Synch, and pulse to either, either to pulse.

Eirikur
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:17726 news.groups:20286 rec.music.makers:10715
From: Christopher Evans <evans@natural.com>
Subject: >>FOR SALE: Tascam M216 Mixing Board<<
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13: 58:27 GMT
Organization: Natural Intelligence, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:59:21 GMT

Tascam M216 Mixing board in good condition with heavy duty road case.
16 inputs, 4 outputs (split so it could and has been used in an 8
track studio).  Low, Mid-sweep and High EQ.  2 Effects sends.  Four
VU meters.  PFL, Solo, etc.

$550 or best reasonable offer.

<=================================Q=================================>
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 Natural Intelligence, Inc.       |   FAX:   617-492-7425
 2067 Massachusetts Avenue        |   AppleLink: NATURAL
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:20:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Oberheim Matrix 1000 module questions
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

>/ hpcc01:rec.music.synth / mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars) / 12:10 pm  Nov  7, 1992 /
>I have a few questions about the OB M1000:
>
>1/	Is this unit still in production??
>2/	Is it multitimbral?
>3/	I recall reading about an editor for this machine, does such
>software exist and if so for what computers?
>
I asked the same questions a few months ago, here's the info with updates:

It *was* still in production, but Oberheim went toes up a couple of weeks
ago.  You can probably find some around, but factory support may be
problemmatic.  I'd presume service will be available.

No.  6 voice.

The only editor I'm positive about is the Opcode one bundled with
Galaxy+editors for the Mac.

>   mars@ucsd.edu		
Pete Brooks
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: troehl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tom Roehl)
Subject: Performer for Mac for sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:07:43 GMT


Performer v3.61 MIDI sequencing software for the macintosh.  Fully
registrable and upgradable.  Use it for yourself or use it to upgrade to
Studio Vision.  Includes disk and manual.
 
Asking $150
 
Tom Roehl
tom@dacnet.com
(703) 276-1378 evenings

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: Mac as a drum machine?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:28:11 GMT

In <k6XTTB2w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:


>	I use a CD from 3D SOUNDS called (appropriately enough)
>"Drum Sample CD #1". It has over 1200 drum samples digitally
>recorded from most of the most popular drum machines and
>samplers. It has the Akai XR-10, Roland R8, TR808, TR505, TR606,
>TR707, TR909, LINN Drum, Rhythum 55, DDD-1, Yamaha RX-5,
>RX-11, RY-30, Drumtraks, Drumulator, Simmons, TX16W, plus tonnes
>of drum samples from other drum machines. 
>	I bought it for $30.00, and has much better sound
>quality than any other drum sample CD I've heard. If you're
>interested, email me, and I'll give you the companies addresse
>and such.



>------------------------------------------------------------------darkpark BBS
>markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I gotta tell ya,

That is one sreamin' CD.  I have not touched my R5 since I got that CD. 
Put it thru an effects device and into you computer or sampler, and away
you go!!!

Who would want a non-midi TR808 when you can just use this CD!!!!!!!


R Martin
Noise.




Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: yho@bmerh2.bnr.ca (Yue-shun Ho)
Subject: Re: the new Proteus Module(s)
Reply-To: yho@utcs.utoronto.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 18:18:41 GMT

In article <9211040854.aa23702@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> cfoley@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Ciaran Foley) writes:
>
>>>Yeah!  I just got one.  Apparently, it's now a stock item from Emu, Model
>>>9025...  Cost is < $700.  It comes with 8M roms, 512 voices total (It's
>>>basically a Proteus II with different roms)...
>>>
>
>Yes, but are the sounds of the same variety and quality as those found
>in the Proteus II? Just wondering, 'cuz I was going to buy a II, but
>if this offers the same capability plus a Proteus I's brains, I'd
>pick it up in a second!
>Ciaran
>

The last time I checked.... oh, more than a year ago (probably before it
  became a "stock" item), the Proteus I plus Orchestra contains a subset
  of the sounds in Proteus II.  I'm not sure if this "Model 9025" is
  anything different.  Anyone?

yue-shun, toronto, ontario
[ yho@utcs.utoronto.ca ]
From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: HEY YOU CLOWNS WHINING ABOUT NAMES
Keywords: Butthead, Sphincter, Whiner, Loser
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:28:44 GMT
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co.

Those of you running with this *BAD* thing:

I fart in your general direction. Now SHUT UP, or take it somewhere else.

By the way, my dad CAN beat up your dad!!!

-- 
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Scott Ferguson                        Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
Project Engineer                      New Jersey
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"Always bark at a dog."
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:17908 news.groups:20574
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:25:02 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: GSP Whitewater Slalom Racing Team

Followups have been directed to news.groups.

In article <8ggsTB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> trog@midiline.la.ca.us (Ralph Stempel) writes:
>   My NO vote also bounced, for reasons that I cannot understand. I think 
>at the very least we need to call for another vote. (I suppose lynching 
>is out of the question.)

The reason that your vote bounced is the same reason that other folks had
their votes bounced: you didn't follow the instructions for voting.  I
deliberately kept them as simple as possible in order to forestall
this problem, but about half a dozen people somehow managed to submit
attempted votes that didn't follow the instructions.  (Note that 271
people managed to get it right.)  Your mis-submitted vote was returned
to you as a courtesy (the guidelines do not require you to be notified
that you've goofed) and as an attempt to maximize participation in
the voting process.  If you did not understand what was wrong with
your voting attempt (after re-reading the instructions, which I presume
you did; if not, why not?), why didn't you ask someone (via mail or news)?
Or why didn't you try again -- the call-for-votes was posted to
rec.music.synth several times?

BTW, thanks so much for mentioning lynching.  That really seems like
an appropriate reaction.  I'll keep it firmly in mind the next time I get
the idea to go through the trouble of three rounds of consensus-building
discussion, a formal vote, and the post-mortem debate...in order to
try to bring together musicians and musical discussion under one roof.
(Note that 4 of the 5 proposals involved bringing discussion from alt.*
groups or mailing lists into the Usenet mainstream.)

---Rsk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:13:55 GMT

rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>Hmmm.  I wonder why none of them said anything to me during the discussion
>period, during the vote, or even now.  What lists?  Who are these
>maintainers?  Why didn't they say something during the discussion period?

I would invite those who complained before to step forward now.

>>I was the one that asked you for a "rec.music.makers.keyboard" for
>>keyboard players to discuss techniques and stuff? WHERE did the
>>"new" synth group come from? 
>8/28	Second call for discussion; proposed groups are:
>	rec.music.makers.guitar, rec.music.makers.bass,
>	rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature, rec.music.makers.percussion;
>	proposed renaming is rec.music.synth->rec.music.makers.keyboards.

That's not what I said in my original post. Are there any archives of
news around that go back that far? 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

        Envy devours good deeds, as a fire devours fuel.
From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (A.R.F.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Simple/Uful project (FX unit)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:30:29 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

To anyone that has access to the Linear Applications Handbook from 
National Semiconductor, there is a very simple and useful Distortion 
Pedal (they call it a Fuzz box) built around 1 chip and a few other 
parts.
I've built this device (took about 2 hours) and though it doesn't sound 
like distortion out of an SE-50 or a good Boss distortion pedal, it does 
have some very useful distortion qualities for synths and drum machines.
 
I'll post the schematic if there's enough interest.  (In ascii.  It's 
small)>
 
 ------------------------------------------------
 \ FIVE-Aural \Their current stuff is too digi- \
 \ Research   \tized,quantized and just plain   \
 \ Foundation \sterile, compared to that analog \
 -------\ organicness from earlier albums - SHIV\
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Alan Edwards <EDWR@UNB.CA>
Subject: SySex Mfg. ID
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:06:23 GMT

 my first attempt to post from rn...let me know if it works.
beauty...i have to hit F10 instead of <RETURN> just loving this...

The question:

I am working on yet another MIDI widget, and have decided that the
proper way to implement this one is with SySex. I recall seeing
somewhere that there is a manufacturer id reserved for independent
research. Since my company is not big enough to have its own id
(maybe someday...) this is the one that I should be using. Can
anyone confirm this? I think that it is 127 (7FH).

pleas reply to aedwards@unb.ca, since reading this list is a
big nuisance... and typing and editing even bigger...)-:

Things are going well over on SYNTH-L...very quiet, and a high
signal to noise ratio.

 Alan
From: tmis1692@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Info wanted on PC MIDI software
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:35:59 GMT
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Where can I get more information on Music Printer Plus 4.1  I hear is has a lot
of features.  Also where can I get info on Cakewalk 4.0?

Thanks, 

Kevin Calmes - TMIS1692@selu.edu
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Roland's first MIDI synth
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.161807.1@acad.drake.edu> seh003@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>I'm working from memory here, so pardon me if I'm wrong.  But wasn't the
>Prophet 600 first hooked to a Yamaha DX7?  If memory serves, that first hook-up
>failed miserably...

	Wrong on both counts, I believe.  It was a Roland (yes, Jupiter 6 
sounds right), and no, it didn't fail miserably - there were problems at first,
but after a little fiddling they got it to work just dandy...

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