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From: tom@ethome.et.iupui.edu (Thomas Boehm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Ankle Braces for Injury Prevention
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:31:19 GMT
Reply-To: tom@lightning.cadcam.iupui.edu
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Organization: School of Engr and Tech, Purdue Univ at Indpls

In article <1992Aug19.204703.18394@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn) writes:
>  < ankle bracelets description >

I started wearing a pair whenever I play indoors, after another severe ankle
sprain. I bought the pair after talking to a 1st league team back home 
(Austria) who almost all wear one. 

> My questions would be: Are they effective? 

Yes, they are very effective. A couple of times, I was too lazy to put them on
and always afterwards I had some pain in my ankle.

> Are they heavy?  

No, they feel a little funny at first, but its more getting used to than
anything else.

> Do they fit most people well? 

Hmm. I wear 44 (10 1/2) while the women I talked to wear anywhere from 
34 - 37 (I guess), and I have not heard anyone have problems.

> Do they fit inside just Lo-Top shoes, or do they fit Hi-Tops as well.  

They only fit Lo-Top shoes, because of the straps that come up on the side. 
There is really no reason for Hi-Tops anymore, unless you already shelled
out the bucks for them :-(

> Is the product from Teamworks, the same or similar to what Canadian teams wear?

No clue. I am not even sure the ones I have (and was referring to) are that
product, but I can check if anyone wants to know. I am pretty sure they are 
Canadian, though

> 
> My motivation is simple.  I injured my left ankle last Spring, and anything
> I can do to guarantee that I don't injure my ankles again, I'll gladly
> try.  I don't want to have another 6-12 month injury, and I don't want to
> cripple myself by having one too many ankle injuries.  I'm really not
> interested in trying other types of ankle braces that reduce forward-
> backward movement either.
> 

It sounds like they are the thing for you. I have not found any restriction
of movement in any direction by these bracelets.

> Chris

           Thomas
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From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Kiraly/Steffes win streak
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:14:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlas.1155.2a921f18

In article <1992Aug19.131112.13316@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.195313.21500@ll.mit.edu> serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli) writes:
>>I am very curious to find out Who upset Kiraly and Steffes? Also, did they win their 13th
>>tournament in a row?
>>
>>A curious Fan
>>Serge Mon
> 
> 
> I believe it was Whitmarsh/Lewis who defeated them. No, they did not win 13
> in a row, they were stopped at 12.
> 
> -- 
> D. Kaena Freitas
> /* My personal opinions mean nothing to anyone else but myself. */
> /* At least thats what my wife keeps telling me................ */
> /* I believe she is right...................................... */


Serge,
      Whitmarsh/Lewis knocked-out Kiraly/Steffes in the losers bracket 1/4-
finals ending their win streak at 13 Opens in a row, not 12.

alex lee
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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: A Question
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215706.5817@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, brand_peter@macn15.rtsg.mot.com writes:
|> In article <3_hywsp@rpi.edu> vasisn@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Niraj Vasishtha)
|> writes:
|> >
|> >I was curious about a rule in volleyball. If team A spikes the ball that lands
|> on the head of a player in team B and crosses the net is the game still in
|> play?
|> >
|> >niraj vasishtha
|> >vasisn@rpi.edu
|> >
|> Yes.  The ball can contact the body anywhere above the waist and still be "in
|> play" as long as no more than three contacts occur (excluding a block, of
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> course).

    I'm sure this is what you meant, Doug, but to clarify:
         (3) hits per side/team, 
         (1) consecutive hit per person, NOT including blocks.

    Double occupancy rates, airfare extra... ;) ;)
|> 
|> Doug

Get Vertical!
Scott
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From: ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: Is V-Ball this expensive everywhere?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:40:48 GMT

In article <ASH.92Aug12163004@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.152420.9615@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias) writes:
>   >   I'm not sure what the prices are like elsewhere (with the exception of
>   >what you just mentioned, but up here in Ontario the costs are fairly steep.
>   >On a B-level team you're expected to pay roughly $800 (Canadian funds) per
>   >team for a 4- or 5-month season.  We had practice once a week at a local
>   >school gym (although you can usually get these permits for free), and
>   >3- to 5-match league tournaments on every 2nd or 3rd weekend.
>   >   Normally this wouldn't be too extravagant, but we only had 8 players
>   >this year.  That's CDN$100 each.  Ouch.
>
>   >	- Mark Rosteck -
>   >(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)
>
>Ouch is right!  Now I don't feel so bad about $40/person!

   Actually, after whipping out the faithful ol' calculator and punching in
a few figures, it doesn't seem at all that bad.  We had about 10 regular
league tournaments last year (that's NOT including the playoffs (which we
didn't make anyway)), and each tournament had about three hours of actual
playing time (i.e., three matches).  Now CDN$100 = ~US$85, so I was paying
court fees of only about US$2.80/hour.  Had we filled our roster to 12
players and made the playoffs, this could have gone as low as ~US$1.40/hr!
   The main eye-catcher is the steep "per-person" fee, but you have to
take into account the length of the Ontario Volleyball Association (OVA)
season.

     - Mark Rosteck -
(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)
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From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: Rule changes
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:04:28 GMT

In <1992Aug18.143530.14260@cbfsb.cb.att.com> corwin@cbnewsg.cb.att.com writes:

> 
> According to the United States Vollyball Association newsletter
> which I recived in the mail on Tuesday, the following changes
> will probably be accepted by FIVB after the Barcelona Games.
> 
> 2.  Players would NOT be penalized for stepping with one foot entirely
>     over the center line as long as their action does not interfere 
>     with the opponents play.
> 
> 5.  Player would have more freedom of contacting the net, as long as
>     their action does not interfere with the opponent's play.
> 

Guess it's time to stop playing USVBA ball !-(  The other rules are fine, but
it looks like for all those years the jungle ball players were doing it right.

These rule changes scare the living S**T out of me.
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From: dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Coaches interested in a volleyball study??
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:55:24 GMT

I'm not exactly an experienced coach, I have been coaching a women's
team for about two years now.  So, I don't know that I am really 
qualified to be part of your experiment.

However, I am in a graduate program at Georgia Tech in Human-Machine 
Systems Engineering and as a result of that I am quite interested in
novice-expert differences.  I would be most interested in receiving a
copy of your final thesis, if you wouldn't mind send it to me.  My
address is:

	Dave Thurman
	Grad. Res. Asst.
	Industrial and Systems Engineering
	Georgia Institute of Technology
	Atlanta, GA 30332-0205

Thanks,
dave

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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: WHAT ARE AGE REQUIREMENTS FOR COLLEGE PLAYERS?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:07:35 GMT

   I am pretty sure of this...

   Full time student. You have 4 years to play in 5 years of school. If
you have been enrolled in school forever, you don't have your 4 years of
eligibility anymore. I think that is how it works. I am not sure if
there is a GPA requirement. No age maximum either. A friend of mine is
27 and plays for the URI volleyball team.


                                        - Drummer -
From: vail@tegra.COM (Johnathan Vail)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: WHAT ARE AGE REQUIREMENTS FOR COLLEGE PLAYERS?
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:36:20 GMT
Organization: Tegra, Inc., Billerica, MA
In-reply-to: HUMPHREY@themis.cs.umass.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 15:08:31 GMT


In article <51796@dime.cs.umass.edu> HUMPHREY@themis.cs.umass.edu (Marty Humphrey) writes:

   Drummer writes:

   >>   Full time student. You have 4 years to play in 5 years of school. If    
   >> you have been enrolled in school forever, you don't have your 4 years
   >> of eligibility anymore. I think that is how it works. I am not sure if
   >> there is a GPA requirement. No age maximum either. A friend of mine is
   >> 27 and plays for the URI volleyball team.

   My guess is that the `URI volleyball team'' to which you refer is the Men's Club 
   team. Collegiate Club players generally have few restrictions depending on the 
   league they play in. At the most recent US Men's National Collegiate Club 
   Championships, you just had to be a full-time student (grad or undergrad) to 
   be eligible. In other words, you can play year after year, as long as you can 
   keep coming up with the papers stating that you are a student. (By the way, 
   no one cares about your grades....)

I think you need to define the terms.  When I played with WPI we were
NCAA div II but as far as the school was concerned we were a club.  We
recieved some money from the social committe and had to fight for gym
time with other clubs after the "real" teams like basketball had their
pick.

I think I remember playing at URI so I would assume they are a Div II
team as well although they could have club status with the school as
far as funding goes.

   The real volleyball teams (non-Club) adhere to the NCAA rules governing
   intercollegiate sports, I imagine. In particular, I think there <IS> an 
   age limit (27?), but I can't seem to confirm this anywhere....

I don't remember all the rules but I do recall no more than 4 years
total play were allowed as there was some question as to my
eligibility because I took 2 years off in the middle.


jv


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From: vasisn@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Niraj Vasishtha)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: A Question
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:59:35 GMT
Reply-To: vasisn@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.


I was curious about a rule in volleyball. If team A spikes the ball that lands on the head of a player in team B and crosses the net is the game still in play?

niraj vasishtha
vasisn@rpi.edu
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From: Jim Beers <beers@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:46:28 GMT

   An outdoor net is real easy to put together yourself.  All you need are lines,
   (That's real tough to do), 4 anchors for each corner.  2 poles, you can get
   wood and drill holes in it, or your local hardware store should have some
   metal poles, with holes, and you can get add on pieces to adjust the hight,
   some more rope as anchors for the poles.  Some more stakes(4) and then a net.

   The net was the most expensive piece, you can get tent stakes almost anywhere,
   they have a nice loop on the end and are metal so they don't break like 
   plastic when you pund them into the ground.  All in all 8 tent stakes most I can
   see it costing maybe $10,  A nice bit of rope, another $10, poles $15 or so and
   a net $20.  The money is just a guestimate since I remember making my net
   last year, total cost $35 and about 3 hrs. to put together the first time.

I made my net myself, based on some info from some other people.  It is a nice
new, easy to set up and take down.

I got the top rail of a chained link fence from Agway.  This is a 10 foot metal
pole with one end smaller, so you can slide two of these together.  You only
need one for each side, and you can cut it in half, and slide the top
half into the bottom.  It stays together real well.  Cost, $10 each.
I drilled holes at the appropriate heights for the net and guy wires.
I have holes drilled for different sizes.  I spent about $2 for hardware
to tie the guy wires and the net.  About twenty for the boundry ropes, and
five more for guy wires, and a $30 net.  About $80 for the best net in town.

Jim

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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: In favor or rally scoring...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:07:00 GMT

>Everyone has their own opinion, nothing you say will cahnge mines and
>nothing I say will change yours.

Aha! A refreshingly candid admission of stupidity! If only George Bush... 8')

Well, I feel compelled to contribute my three cents... As a neophyte volleyball
and wallyball player, it seems to me that rally scoring makes at most a one-
point difference over the course of a set. The one obvious effect is to speed up
the game. As a spectator, it's really interesting to see the mental effects
of the scoring change. It does inject an entirely new factor into the
competition, and I for one find it interesting to see who can cope with the
mental pressuree and who can't, especially during the end game. 

-- Larry
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From: kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Stolos the Cry Baby
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:47:07 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


I watched a championship match of sand volleyball last night on HSE between 
Kiraly/Steffes and Stolos/Smith at the Beach Volleyball Tour in Cleveland. The 
win for Kiraly/Steffes placed them in a tie for the record of most wins for a 
beach volleyball season (16). I guess this coming weekend will tell if they
set a new record.

Anyway, I believe K&K were up 10-9, when Sinjin served Karch, Kent made a
tight set to the net, Karch as usual tried crushing the ball, but Randy was
there to "eat his lunch" - "monster roof!" Randy then pointed to Karch,
(* as you all know, one of the reasons why Karch joined the Pro Beach VB Tour
was because he wanted to prove that HE was the best VB player in the world,
and Randy took MAJOR offense to this and they have had the biggest rivalry
there ever was on the beach *), Randy then turned around, raised his hands
and started clapping to get the crowd into it. A couple of sideouts later,
Karch jump served Randy, Sinjin set the ball close and Kent returned the favor
by roofing the hell out of Randy's spike, that ball landed only about a foot
from the net, in other words, straight down! Kent then pointed at Randy and
sort of got in his face, talking trash across the net, not that Randy had
never done that to others, but Randy walked up to the official and asked that
he tell the "other team" to stop the trash.

Can you believe that shit? Randy Stolos is loosing his "King of the Beach"
dominance to another player/team, and all the years of trash he gave 
everyone else, even during this match to Karch, and he "cries" to the
referee to tell them to "stop it".  Needless, to say I was pissed off and
started hoping that K&K would hit one off his head. The next point Kent roofed
Randy again, but Randy was able to save it, Sinjin had to make a diving
attempt which put the ball below the top of the net and all Randy could do
was two-hand set the ball over, Well, Kent jumped at the same time and
roofed the ball again. It was great! It was nice to see the "new Kings of
the Beach" win their 16th match. I hope they show their 17th win, K&K are
SOLID!

(* Kent took the ball home as a momento, all he wants now is the record! *)
-- 
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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Proposed rule changes
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.213954.25630@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas) writes:
|> In article <2271@tymix.Tymnet.COM> stonek@rollout.tymnet.com (Ken Stone) writes:
|> 
          << Stuff about body-part contacts deleted >>					
|> >
|> >	Remember Timmons made a key dig in one match and the replay  
|> >showed it came off of his leg.  He was bent over, arms ready and
|> >he catches a photon in the thigh that goes over the net, and over
|> >the heads for a winner on the back line.  (Chris and Paul said he
|> >gets credit for a kill and a dig).  With his arms down to both refs
|> >it must have looked like a clean dig.  If they can't tell, and wasn't
|> >intentionally done, might as well make it a rule change!
|> 
|> Yes, I agree but the "can't tell" seems to me to be the "kicker", not
|> too many of us have seen "photon" type hits like they have in the
|> Olympics. I can sit and watch 'AA' league play and usually know where the
|> ball contacted the person. In the case above, no one actually saw the contact
    
    Why doesn't the referee/umpire committee or group install replay cameras
    like they have for other sports( namely football )? 

    I know there is still some controversy about "replay-mania", but it usually
    seems that the most disputed calls in a vb game occur due to the uncertainty
    of what exactly happened. Replay, if quick( rally-point replay? ;) ), would
    seem to help. One on the net centerline and on the top net-line would be
    great for replays!

|> -- 
|> D. Kaena Freitas
|> /* My personal opinions mean nothing to anyone else but myself. */
|> /* At least thats what my wife keeps telling me................ */
|> /* I believe she is right...................................... */

Waiting 'till it comes out on tape,
Scott
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From: ben@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Ben Verwer)
Subject: Re: BRAZIL SWEEPS THROUGH TO WIN THE GOLD
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:05:42 GMT

wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:
2.  Brazil came in with the best-possible record of 7-0, Holland with
    nearly the worst-possible record of 4-3.  Does the trend hold?  As
    it turns out, yes, it does.  Holland wins the silver medal at 4-4,
    with a worse record than USA (6-2), Cuba (5-3), and Italy (5-2).


Selinger (Hollands coach) staged it that way. From the onset he prepared 
and fired up his man to play Italy in the quarter finals. Of course he
took a big risk, but it payed of. The pools were considered training games.
(Maybe Don Nelson can take a lesson here).
He supposedly also spoke with Johan Cruyff about Italy's major weakness.
When Cruyff said, their creativeness, he answered, "So I'm not the only
one who thinks so".

Ben 

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