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From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: It's a Girl !!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:29:50 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science



   		      I T ' S     A    G I R L   ! ! !
                      --------------------------------


Jinous Bassari and Spiros Triantafyllopoulos are proud to announce
a new addition to their family:


	Name:	Sophia Yasemin
	
	Weight:	7 pounds 11 ounces  (3.5 Kg)

	Height:	21 Inches (53.4 cm)

	Hair:	Lots of straight black hair 

	Eyes:	Dark Brown

	Noise:	~75 Decibels Crying 


Sophia was born with normal delivery at 9:19 AM Friday 11 Sept 1992,
at St. Vincent Family life Center in Indianapolis, IN. Mother, 
daughter, and dad are all fine. 

Genetic Ethnologists from the department of Ethnic Genetics, IU medical
center, and the Greek Embassy are busy performing tests to determine
whether Sophia carries the (until recently hidden) G Gene, that makes
Greek people superior. Since Mom is Iranian, the G Gene may not be 
present.

The happy but exchausted parents,

Spiros Triantafyllopoulos		(c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com)
Jinous Bassari				(jbassari@lmsv01.gm.hac.com)
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Greek communities throughout Europe
Keywords: travel, varying opinions
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  9 Sep 92 21:41:50 GMT

   I myself have only spent a few days in Turkey, but I found everyone
quite friendly and helpful when I was there, even though I had a Greek
name (which they could see in my American passport) and though I had
come to the country directly from Greece.  

   Maybe an interesting question to ask members of this group would be,
if you are Greek and have travelled in Turkey, how did the people react
to you, especially the ones who knew you were Greek?

   And if you are Turkish and have travelled in Greece, how did the
people react to you, especially the ones who knew you were Turkish?
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: how european do the turks feel
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:47:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep8.210754.4220@ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu
 (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>
>I personally don't think Turkey should enter the EEC.  I don't think
>it makes sense for Turkey in the long run.  I know that Greece is a rather
>convenient excuse for other governments to stall Turkey.  Actually,
>I have to say that I am rather thankful to Greece for it.

I am pleasantly surprised that even one of the 1% of the Turks that are
civilized, as I certainly consider Deniz Akkus to be, is now (not in the
past, though) against Turkey's entry in the EC. Turkey is definetely not
European and would only create problems 100 times more serious than whatever
annoyances Greece (or the other relatively poorer EC countries) has caused -
and not only in the economic sense.

Let Turkey just heed the call of the Qur'an and join its Islamic brethren. As
Valery Giscard d' Estaing had once said, "the eastern border of Greece is the
eastern border of Europe - beyond that, it is no Europe".

Greece is still far behind, but one day it will be definitely catching up to
the other EC countries, eventually making up the terrible loss and damage that
5 centuries of Turkish brutality wrought. And Turkey will still be cut off
from the Western civilization, well into its Asian/Islamic way. How deserved
for a country that is responsible for the first genocides of the 20th century,
and still blaming its victims, for so much suffering and destruction.

>
>Definitely not European Deniz
>

I wholeheartedly wish you well among the brutes. You, personaly, are not one
of them.

--
------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
<dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
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+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS !!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:48:41 GMT

c8638760@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THE MACEDONIAN STATE--------> IS INEVITABLE) writes:

>this is a message to the greek peoples
> i have read many articles in soc .cult.greek which are nothing but propaganda
> to me and the people througout the world.

>  FOR ALL YOU GREEKS WHO CLAIM TO BE MACEDONIAN ,I THINK IS WONDERFULL
>  BECAUSE YOU ARE ONLY PUTING THE MACEDONUAN NAME ON THE MAP EVEN MORE 
>  SO GREEKS ARE YOU GREEKS OR ARE YOU MACEDONIANS.

>  THERE IS A VERY BIG DISTINCTION BETWEEN THESE TWO PEOPLES.

>  I AM VERY SORRY BUT YOU CAN NOT BE MACEDONIAN   AND   GREEK AT THE SAME
>  TIME.


>      IN FUTURE STOP POSTING PROPAGANDA  AND STOP GIVING THE MACEDONIAN 
> PEOPLE A BAD NAME.

>                       REMEMBER !
>      @    MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS (AS A WELL KNOWN BRITISH SCHOLAR
>SAID IN 1913).

>      @    MACEDONIANS ARE NOT GREEK ,SERBIAN,BULGARIAN,ALBANIAN AS THESE 
>           PEOPLE WOULD WANT THEM TO BE, AND MOST OF ALL ARE NOT SLAVS!

>      @    LONGLIVE THE MACEDONIAN KINGS

>           LONGLIVE THE MACEDONIAN PEOPLE

>           LONGLIVE THE MACEDONIAN HISTORY,CULTURE,LANGUAGE(WHICH IS 
>           RECOGNISED WORLDWIDE),AND THE MACEDONIAN SPIRIT WHICH WILL
>           NEVER DIE.
>     
>      @    LONGLIVE     'VMRO' GOCE DELCEVSKI 1903

>           JAS GO RAZBIRAM SVETOT KAKO POLE ZA KULTURNO NATPREVARI MEGJU
>           NARODITE !
>                                                            GOCE.
> 

>AND ARE 
>           NOT MOST OF ALL SLAVS!


  You are amusing me !!!!

  
-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Greek communities throughout europe
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:19:22 GMT

teoman@milton.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith) writes:

>In article <BuDyzC.6DE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>
>>>  Your hatred towards Turkiye popped up again. he he he he he. ho ho ho..
>>>You made my day man. he he he he. Have you dreamed lately? he he he...
>>>You have never been to Turkey, right? They were covering their faces ha?
>>>he he he. Were they walking up side down as well ha? he he he he..
>>>Panos Panos Panos, you and I know quite well that you have never been to
>>>Turkey ho ho ho ho ho
>>
>> That was in 1981. I saw it.  Why should this mean that I hate Turkey?
>> And, who has told you that I hate Turkey? (he, not of course that I love
>> it)
>>
>>>Hakan
>>

>Panos, I am sure you saw some Turks covering their faces, of course it
>could have been Arabs or some other Muslims... In Istanbul the percentage
>of the women I believe that cover their faces are probably around 1% and
>if you ask me this doesn't amount to much... During those days I remember
>my classmates going to school in mini-skirts, but none of them were covered...

 Well, perhaps this means that you can't probably make solid conclusions
 on a short visit to a country.  Or, perhaps, if something impresses you,
 you tend, after years, to remember this somewhat exagerated.  Or, If
 you don't know well the place, you don't get the true picture of the place.
 Thing is, that I didn't had any bad intensions writing that.

 Personaly, I can't understand why so many people got upset.  Even if this
 was correct, and every woman was covering her face, what is wrong with that?
 Is this shameful?
 
>Teo

-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: teoman@milton.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith)
Subject: Re: Greek communities throughout europe
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:51:12 GMT

In article <BuDyzC.6DE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>>  Your hatred towards Turkiye popped up again. he he he he he. ho ho ho..
>>You made my day man. he he he he. Have you dreamed lately? he he he...
>>You have never been to Turkey, right? They were covering their faces ha?
>>he he he. Were they walking up side down as well ha? he he he he..
>>Panos Panos Panos, you and I know quite well that you have never been to
>>Turkey ho ho ho ho ho
>
> That was in 1981. I saw it.  Why should this mean that I hate Turkey?
> And, who has told you that I hate Turkey? (he, not of course that I love
> it)
>
>>Hakan
>
> Mutlu Turk, you are still confused, aren't you?
>
>
>-- 
>---> Panos Tamamidis
>     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Panos, I am sure you saw some Turks covering their faces, of course it
could have been Arabs or some other Muslims... In Istanbul the percentage
of the women I believe that cover their faces are probably around 1% and
if you ask me this doesn't amount to much... During those days I remember
my classmates going to school in mini-skirts, but none of them were covered...

Laters
Teo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: pavlovic-milan@CS.YALE.EDU (Milan Pavlovic)
Subject: Re: Counting in Greek
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:45:58 GMT

In article <5267.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:
>
>>B.-H. is not a recognized country. That makes it seven. >Russia did
>not follow on the recognition move. No Russian counsulate >exists in
>Skopje. That makes it six. Slovenia and Croatia were >desparate for
>
> May I add that Serbia requested relations with Vardar, but Varadr
>turned it down: That makes it three (tria).

No, you may not. Serbia did no such thing nor will it until the Skopjans
stop calling themselves "Macedonians".  Prime Minister Panic may have made some
rash statements while on a trip to the Skopjan Republic, but there was no offer
to recognize them....He has been straightened out in the meantime about this
matter.

As far as I'm concerned, the only relations that Serbia can have with the 
Skopjans is when they accept the following facts:

		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S

	   S K O P L J E  =  S O U T H E R N   S E R B I A

Regards,
Milan
===============================================================================
	M A C E D O N I A.....G R E E K  F O R  4 0 0 0  Y E A R S
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Macedonia
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:12:55 GMT

Rizos Sakellariou (rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk) writes:
>People in the ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia"
>have been the victims of an illogical policy during the last 50 years.

Judging from the lack of logic shown in this newsgroup, it doesn't
seem that the Greeks have fared much better...

>but, on the other hand, should we permit
>a handful of politicians to continue the same illogical policy?

Who are you to "permit" such things? God? How do you withdraw
the "permission"? Do you suggest intervention to remove this
"handful of politicians"?

>the remaining 40% (mainly Albanians) strongly oppose the use of this name...

This argument is often presented by Greek netters. Can anyone
confirm this, or is it just another sample from the Greek
propaganda machine?

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis)
Subject: Re: Dimitra Galani CDs?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:11:48 GMT

In article <8zsn+4l.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>I have some old Dimitra Galani LPs which are wonderful. Does anyone know
>if her music is available on CDs? Does anyone have a mail order source for
>them?
A question about modern greek culture and arts in s.c.g??? :)
I am certain that  some of her stuff is available on CD. I almost bought a
'Greatest hits' CD of hers this summer, so there is at least that one! :)
As for mail-order...Hmmm... Tower Records *does* have a greek music section,
but apart from the obligatory 'Greece is bouzouki' CD's they had a couple
of Theodorakis, and Hadjidakis CD's and some other stuff not worth mentioning.
They do mail-orders, so maybe they'll special order it for you. 
Anybody have any better suggestions?

>Are there any other Greek woman singers who perform similar materials
>with similar musicianship, both in the songs and the accompaniments?
There are *many* greek women singers who perform similar material. My
personal favorites happen to be Eleftheria Arvanitaki, Haris Alexiou,
Aphroditi Manou, Arleta and on a jazzier note recently Elli Paspala.
I am sure others have other preferences.

>Thanks;
You're welcome! :)

>David

Angelos
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8868 soc.culture.europe:8364 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8693
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Counting in Greek
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>B.-H. is not a recognized country. That makes it seven. >Russia did
not follow on the recognition move. No Russian counsulate >exists in
Skopje. That makes it six. Slovenia and Croatia were >desparate for

 May I add that Serbia requested relations with Vardar, but Varadr
turned it down: That makes it three (tria).

 And what was that about the Fillipines? WHen did they get into the
picture? Never heard the fillipines mentioned before in this.

 Two (dio).

Michael.
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Re: how european do the turks feel
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:29:24 CDT

In article <am.716241888@radon.sys.uea.ac.uk> am@sys.uea.ac.uk (A. Machaeridis) writes:
>yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen) writes:
>
>>I am one of them! We ruled Greece with justice for centuries.
>
>>My intention is not to insult Greeks or any other European people.
>>I think, there are individual Europeans who do not support the 
>>ideas/policies dominant in the Western countries. Similarly, 
>>you should not blame me because of the puppet regimes of Middle 
>>Eastern countries. 
>
>>-Soner /not European, not even Asian but a human being.
>
>At first, I though to give an appropriate replay to your first
>sentence quoted here. But, when I read the rest of it and your
>signature, I changed my mind.
>However, do you really believe we enjoyed ottoman occupation?
>
No, of course not. I think everybody would prefer to live 
under its own flag so to speak although that does not
necessarily mean that they would be free and happy and
the rulers will be just, just because of their nationality.

But, first of all, nation state is not a must. I mean, it is
not possible, even meaningfull, to create nation states such
that only one nation live in. Why shouldn't I live with
Greeks, Kurds, Arabs... together, under the same flag? 

Second, in general, people will look at other things such as
justice, prosperity, respect from a government. My grandparents
lived under the occupation of Russia for a long time and actually
they were not so unhappy because of that. They were able to
go to their mosques, trade in the bazaar, and when they need to
go to court room, they could trust up to a degree. Of course,
they would prefer Ottoman khilafa but to be sincere not
desperately!

Maybe, I could not explain myself. I am a bit tired, sorry.
And the massage I responded was posted with the intention of
mere insult to us. You should note that too.

regards,
-Soner /not Eurpoen/


>Tassos


Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8551 soc.culture.europe:8177 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8549
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Counting in Greek
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:00:55 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com)  writes:
>The Skopjie gvmnt has only managed to get recognised by four countries.

Let's see: I know of Bulgaria, Turkey, Slovenia, Croatia, The 
Phillipines, Lithuania, Russia, Bosnia-Hercegovina. That makes 
eight. But what do I know, maybe eight is spelled "four" in Greek.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
IEEE Std 1042/1987
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Confusions...
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:48:47 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <rsakella.716423675@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes:
 >                                                  However, comparing 
 > with the inscriptions that have been found in Roman Britain is totally 
 > irrelevant. The inscriptions in Macedonia refer to the tombstones 
 > (and not only) of the kings of an independent city-state, and the 
 > inscriptions in Britain refer to a period when the island was occupied... 

Eh, do you want to carry all the tombstones from the Netherlands inscribed
in Latin, dating from way back to about a hundred years ago?  Especially
the Kings.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Dialects (was Re: Confusions...)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:57:00 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <Sep14.165319.83388@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
 > In article <MACRAKIS.92Sep14115248@lakatos.osf.org>, macrakis@osf.org
 > (Stavros Macrakis) writes:
 > >In other parts of the world, you will discover that there is a
 > >continuum of 'dialects' across wide areas where there are many
 > >'languages'.  For instance, from Austria to the Netherlands, there are
 > >no sharp dividing lines among the local Germanic dialects, although
 > 
 > This is also true between standard Greek and its dialects, or between
 > the dialects in Cyprus (in Paphos, the sigma of the tense infix is omitted
 > if preceeded by an "e" sound; ekaqia (I sat) instead of ekaqisa).

One difference: you presuppose a standard Greek form, in the case of the
languages from Austria to the Netherlands there does not exist a standard
parent language.  (You could even extend the chain to Moscow, where the
dialects gradually change from a Germanic to a Slavic character.)
 > 
 > >There are no 'rules' for converting among these dialects in general,
 > >although there are some 'rules' for determining sound changes from the
 > >(usually reconstructed) parent language to the daughter languages and
 > 
 > Indeed, and as long as these rules are apparent and not many, the languages
 > in question are dialects of the same language.
 > 
So you appear to think that Dutch, German, Alsacian, Austrian are all dialects
of West Gothic?
-- 
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis)
Subject: Re: Kill fill update needed
Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:37:49 GMT

In article 80640@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <visser.715445313@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>>In <9209020003.A0573gY@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>>
>>	[Multu style articles with Multu's sources]
>>
>>
>>	Would someone please post the kill file information again with
>>specifics to exclude Hasan B. Multu's new personality "Serdar Argic".
>
>If you use rn, type "/serdar argic/hK" (without the "'s) right after you
>read this message.
>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."

Did anyone here about Mutlu being an artificial intelligence program?
I believe it!  What are your oppinions on it?  This is not a prank,
this is for real.

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From: lmk@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Adelaide Newspaper abused by 'Ellinika Nea'
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:25:37 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

>   The article in "Ellinika Nea" quotes:-
>
>   "For the interest of the schools, the Sunday Mail has tried to
>teach something to them. On the 9/8/92 they, the 'Sunday Mail',
>demonstrated the map of the world which shows a piece which they
>name as Macedonia. Next to the Pelopponese they put a number 18
>which appeared as if this was Macedonia." 'Ellinika Nea' then uses
>the phrase, "palouki pou sas kriazeten", which literally means "a
>pole up your anus".

>   As can be seen, not only has "Ellinika Nea" insulted members
>of the Macedonian community, but have also insulted the
>Australian teaching institutions, our teachers, scholars and
>political leaders.

I totally agree with you that the language used is deplorable.  Period!  It is
obvious that whoever wrote such filth is not worthy of the newspapers
readership
and hopefully the sentiments expressed are not shared by too many.

I don't have a problem with the ex-Yugoslavian state of Macedonia if it wants
to
be come a country with the same name.  I am sure this will happen sooner or
later anyway.  What concernes me is whether it is true that this new state has
ideas about a Greater Macedonia that would include the northern Greek province
of Macedonia.  Greece has gone through many wars to liberate those areas and if
Greater Macedonia is indeed an official plan then I'm afraid that will mean
war.

As far as these people wanting to be known as Macedonians, I think that they
have the right to be called anything they want.  Since they live in part of the
geographical area known as Macedonia then I think that their demand is not
unjustified.  If there is no territorial threat towards Greece I really don't
understand the whole problem.  Are we going to lose any royalties on the name
Macedonia?  Are foreigners (non-Greeks) going to stop bowing to us because they
will think that we are not the true descendants of Alexander the Great?  Come
on!  Greece has a lot of other problems to deal with.

Loukis Kissonergis
West Virginia University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek