HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: McDuffie suit: NASCAR/Glen
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:01:25 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.160840.15184@pixel.kodak.com>,
jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow) writes:

|>>BTW, what was the outcome of the Clay Regazzoni (sp?) lawsuit? 
|>
|>Again, if my recollection is correct, Clay Regazzoni's lawsuit was thrown out
|>by the judge.  He rulled that the waiver signed by the driver is valid, and 
|>that Clay Regazzoni participated in racing voluntarily knowing the risks
|>involved.  I still cannot believe that there is actually one sane judge in
|>this whole country.

Anybody can file suit against anybody else over anything.  That doesn't mean
that the court will accept the case, or if it is accepted, that judgement
will be rendered in favor of the plaintiff.  If this case actually comes up
for a preliminary hearing, you can expect the defendant's lawyers to move for
immediate dismissal, citing the Regazzoni case and others as precedent.

It's too bad that junk like this has to clutter up our court system.

--PSW
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Car identification request
Keywords: Nuvolari, Nurembergring, 1938
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:11:26 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Drew Rogge writes:

>A friend of mine has a photograph of Nuvolari at the Nurembergring
>taken in 1938. So far he's been unable to identify the make/model
>of the car being driven. The car's number is 22 and it is thought
>to be a Mercedes although he hasn't been able to verify this.
>
>Anyone out there have any reference material going back to '38?

Nuvolari jumped from the Alfa team to the Auto Union team in the
middle of '38.  At Pau earlier in the year, Nuvolari's Alfa caught
fire causing him to suffer burns.  Because of that, he got pissed
off and left for Auto Union.  He made his debut for his new team
at the German GP at Nurburgring.

The Mercedes and Auto Union are disinctively different looking cars.
The Mercedes has a very long front-end being a front-engined car and
the Auto Union has a very stubby front-end being a mid-engined car.

Two excellent books covering the history of GP racing are William
Court's classic, Power and Glory, Vol I: 1906-1951.  The other is
by Adriano Cimarosti, The Complete History of GP Motor Racing
published in '90 or '91.

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: kms@philabs.philips.com (Kathy Strand)
Subject: NASCAR
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:35:53 GMT

The other night I was flipping thru the channels and came across SCHWAAP TALK
featuring guest speaker Richard Petty.  He was taking peoples phone calls
and one person asked Richard "What driver would you least like to be racing
at the checkered flag?"  I liked his response, he stated KYLE PETTY, because
he wouldn't be able to go home to his wife.  I thought that was a clever 
answer.

On another note, I just read Ken Williams posting which stated Davey ALlison
will start driving at the next race.  I am glad to hear that.  We were at
Pocono and that was a scare.  Also, Ken you asked about that good wrench,
well as I tell my husband and the joke that has been going around is
MISSING CAR #3 BLACK , SEEN LATELY BY FORDS PASSING BY IF ANYONE SEES IT
CALL 1-800 LAP DOWN.

GO ELLIOTT

KATHY
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Boo Boo Senna (German GP minor spoiler)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:26:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.174414.10884@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul27.000949.24693@cc.uow.edu.au>,
>ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds) writes:
>|>
>|>>   It seems that if Senna does not look to have a competitive car next
>|>>year he is going to seriously consider retiring for a season.  I ask all
>|>>of Senna's fans: Do you still think he is the best driver in the world
>|>>or just maybe it is a 3 time WC because of great cars?
>|>
>|>After watching the German GP do you still think Senna is the 3 time
>|>world champion just because of his car ? (Don't think so)
>
>There's no question that the Senna/Patrese fight showed who is the better
>driver.  Senna defended his position brilliantly, despite an attack from a
>driver in a clearly faster car.
>
>|>See how the Williams drivers behaved under pressure ?
>
>DriverS??  Mansell ran away with the race and Senna never even got close to
>him.  We never got to see how Mansell behaved under pressure because he
>never was under any.

What do you mean Mansell and Senna "never even got close"?  Were you watching
the race?  Mansell pitted early and came out behind Senna.

As far as behavior under pressure, what about Mansell's move at the Ostkurve
chicane? What about his move at Canada?  Sorry, but Mansell has a history of
making mistakes under pressure.

alan
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Re: NASCAR news (7/21)
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:56:39 EDT

How about Willy T. Ribbs taking another,
more serious, try at Winston Cup ? He
drove the Roush Mustang at the Detroit
TransAm, so there is some corporate
association recently as well as notable
success for Ford in the past. He was
good, and forceful, in those TransAm
Mustangs & Capris.
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: wife shots (was Re: Toronto Indy Results, Points Standings--and CART-IMS agreement!)
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:24:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Jul21.222353.15008
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Jul21.163353.6246@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>|>Is it my imagination, or are there fewer wife shots lately?  I counted
>|>only one in the Toronto race--Mrs. Rahal was shown in closeup one time
>|>(though she also appeared among the pit crew in a few shots).

>I noticed that, too.  Maybe Ohlmeyer is finally getting the message that we'd
>rather see more of the cars and less of the wives.

Nah, they are just shifting the cameras to Rosanne Mansell.   :-)


eliot
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: NASCAR news (7/21)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.165332.5121@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:
>Robby Gordon: Drives IMSA for Jack Roush, who Yates is of course closely
>associated with.  Looked good with the GOBs at Daytona a couple of
>years ago.
>
IndyCars is (are) at Cleveland that weekend.  :-(

Hey - what about old Hershel?!  Remember, he holds a record number of
wins at Riverside.

But I really agree that Dorsey should be given the ride.

-c'ball-
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Power & Glory missing
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:49:48 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM at Ann Arbor, MI

Power & Glory wasn't on A&E last night (Wed. 7/29) as expected.
Anyone know what the deal is?  Maybe they didn't want to waste
it against the Olympics??  I hope they skipped this week, and
it's not a matter of having shown it at another time that I
missed.

Dave Wilson
From: royce@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michele J. Royce)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Qualifying
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:53:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


>> Or maybe Schumacher should start learning how to look at his side
>> mirrors before driving a F1 car. :)

>How do qualifying sessions work anyway. I take it that they have several
>cars on the track at the same time.

>Are there any rules as to when you should let somebody through or is it
>just gentlemen agreement ?

>What if you are on a hot lap and Nigel shows up in your mirror. Moving over
>might make a difference between a decent starting spot and an terrible one...

>bruno.

F1 qualifying takes place on Friday and Saturday (except in
the case of Monaco, when its Thursday and Saturday) for a
1 hour period each day.  (This is track time.  If the session
is red-flagged due to an accident, then the time of the stoppage
is made up at the end of the session, which can make for very
long days.)  The cars are allowed out for any part of the
session that they wish.  The limiting factor is that only two
sets of tires are allowed for each qualifying session.  These
two sets are presented to the scrutineers during the hour
before qualifying, are marked with a stencil unique for that day
that includes the car number, and are checked at pit exit before
a car is allowed onto the track.  All tires must be marked before
the start of the session.  When qualifying tires were being used,
it was generally felt that they were good for about 3 laps -- 
warm-up, flyer, cool-down.  Thus, drivers could try for two good
runs per session and hope that they did not encounter too much
traffic.  Now with no qualifying tires, they can make the 
tires produce a larger number of "hot-laps".  However, the top
drivers especially are not out on the track for the whole hour, but head 
out when they think conditions are favorable or when their time
has just been beaten.

As far as fast/slow cars are concerned, a blue flag is
shown to the slower car as the faster one approaches to let 
the slower driver know what is going on.  The slower car
is then supposed to let the quicker through at an appropriate
time.

The problem of both cars being on a hot lap did occur in Monaco.
Gachot was on a quick lap, Patrese came up behind him, and when he had
chance without completely messing himself up, Gachot moved over to
let Patrese by.  At this point, however, Patrese felt that his 
lap had been messed up, slowed down and ended up balking Gachot
and not repaying the courtesy of moving over.  This I saw
with my own eyes overlooking the hairpin and the turn before
the tunnel.  So the rules of courtesy are there, but
they do take into account all possibilities.

Michele J. Grimm
University of Pennsylvania

Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:8316 alt.radio.scanner:1453
From: jmck@druhi.ATT.COM (McKenzieJD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Current NASCAR Winston Cup Frequencies ???
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:12:13 GMT
Distribution: rec


Does anyone have a current list of frequencies being used by the Winston Cup
teams this year ??? I am going to be attending the Champion Spark Plug 400
at Michigan International Speedway in a couple of weeks. I have frequencies
that were published last year but I haven't noticed any up-to-date lists 
posted for the 1992 season. If anyone has this information it would be
greatly appreciated if you would either post it or email me a copy of them.
Thanks.

					Jeff McKenzie
					jmck@druhi.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Subject: Re: F1: Honda
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:57:42 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Jul27.175430.11297@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> At some point, Honda have to step back and ask themselves just what
> bottom-line benefit they're getting from their investment in F1.
> They are, after all, a business.

I don't think that they used to ask this when Soichiro Honda was still
alive. I think that his interest in Formula 1 was the main reason for
them to be involved.

Secondy point. As I understand it, the American market is very
important to Honda (look how revolting their cars are becoming to fit
in with American tastes). Posters to this group keep saying how
Formula 1 is not very popular in the US, so it makes good marketing
sense to become involved in some of the motor sport variants that are
more popular there.
-- 
    Thomas Farmer | tfarmer@datamark.co.nz    or | Amiga 2.04, AIX 3.1
Datamark Intl Ltd | tfarmer@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz | Win 3.1, OS/2 2.0
 Technical Writer | 
    & PC Wrangler | If I had something witty to say, I'd put it here.
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:42:47 GMT
Subject: Le Mans
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


	This may be a little late to you guys, but I've only just got onto 
	the net, so please excuse me.

	Who won this years Le Mans 24 Hr ?

	Honestly, I don't know. It's apalling isn't it.
	Last year I was so fed up with the lack of any coverage whatsoever
	in England that I went, but this year I was unable to go, and 
	unable to afford a satellite dish.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Senna
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:46:15 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.232902.6874@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>,
mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor) writes:
|>
|>I agree with you. And I also think Senna uses some kind of black magic.
|>I think it is against the rules, but it is very difficult to prove such
|>a bad trick.

Senna does indeed use black magic, namely, all that oil that spews out the
back of the Honda engine.

Senna drove brilliantly at Hockenheim, showing a masterful use of driving
tactics and headology to keep the Williams cars at bay.

Regarding my earlier comments about Mansell not choking during the race--I
forgot about that cut across the chicane.  That's what I get for posting
before I've had my morning coffee.

--PSW
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: F1: Honda
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:54:30 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.142706.6781@stsci.edu>,
lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577) writes:
|>
|>I thnk pulling out now is a humiliating and devastating action on the part of
|>Honda, especially for the Japanese.  They deifiy the sport of F1 as well as
|>any Japanese component of it.  

That's their problem, innit?

|>
|>A withdrawal now, I feel, would leave the Japanese (as well as McLaren Honda
|>fans in general) felling cheated or "sold-out".

Now they'll know how the Williams fans felt when Honda suddenly left, after
Williams had several years in bad results during the engine's development
program.

|>Granted I'm not Honda's Chief Financial Officer, and their may be some
|>legitimate financial reasons for the withdrawal, but it just seems to me that
|>if small teams like Leyton House and Footwork manage to make it from race to
|>race Honda could easily do the same.

One has to look at why Honda is in F1 racing.  Part of it is the R&D work that
gets done.  But that can be done effectively (perhaps more effectively) in
less expensive venues than F1.  The bigger part, especially, I think, for
Honda, is the positive PR and bragging rights associated with being the top
engine in the world's premier motor sports series.  But such glory comes at
a hefty price.  Japan is in the middle of a major stock market crash and
recession.  Furthermore, the McHonda combination is not the winner this year,
and it's the engine that looks down on power and reliability (I think the engine
only seems down on power because McLaren is having to use so much wing to get
the downforce they need to compensate for their inferior chassis, and Honda in
turn have to run it so loose that it is more prone to breakdowns).  Their
Acura commercials that show a McLaren transforming itself into an Acura look
like a bad joke.

At some point, Honda have to step back and ask themselves just what bottom-line
benefit they're getting from their investment in F1.  They are, after all,
a business.

--PSW
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: More IMSA Notes
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:01:06 GMT

In article <30JUL199212063429@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
>In article <12434@perryd>, perryd@Software.Mitel.COM (Dave Perry) writes...
>
>>Hear, hear. I also enjoy Bob's IMSA posts. About those Toyotas, did something
>>change on them since Watkins Glen? The Jaguar XJR14 was pulling away from
>>them quite handily at the Glen, gaining maybe 2 seconds a lap (until the Jag
>>broke a wheel bearing). What happened? Just the difference in the tracks?
>
>Either that or they added more ballast to the Jags.
>
>JD

Personally, I was disappointed in the Jaguar's performance at Portland.
First off, the second car for Arie was scratched on Friday (I don't
believe Luyendyk even came into town), so the team could prep two cars
solely for Davy Jones.

IMSA added 50 lbs. of weight to the Jags following Mid-Ohio.  They
haven't finished among the top two since.  Davy qualified the Jag 3rd,
but got off to a bad start in Festival.  He was forced wide and put a
tire into the dirt, allowing Unser to get by on his left.  Jones stated
"The car wasn't working as well as I thought it would.  It was a handful
from the start, and it got worse as we went.  It was spinning around and
eventually I spun in the race."

Less than a half-hour into the race, the Jag spun on the outside of T2
and high-centered on the curbing.  This caused a full-course yellow, but
the workers got him unstuck and he was off again.  Jones' day finally
ended on lap 82 due to clutch problems and he couldn't make it back to
the pits.  Turn workers pushed his car and parked it next to a portable
toilet.

On another note, while Robinson's Nissan finished 3rd overall using the
3-liter motor, Brabham downsized to the 2.5-liter in order for the car
to shed 150 lbs.  Geoff had brake problems early on, but managed to
bring the car home in 6th.

I watched as his problem happend, pitching his car to the outside wall
of the main straight as he was braking for Festival.  Geoff barely
grazed the wall with his left side.  He brought the car into the unused
area of the straight and in doing so snagged a large cone at the front
of the car.  He climbed out, took a look at the left side, talked a
second with the worker, then returned to the car.  It looked like he
hooked back up to the radio and talked a minute to the crew, then jumped
back in and started back around to the pits.  He was having a problem
trying to rid himself of the cone, and the term "conehead" popped into
my head.  He managed to lose the cone entering T1.

I also have to mention that Dan Gurney is one of the most humblest and
polite men I've ever met.  He has the enthusiasm of a 16-year old.

-c'ball-

C
minute with a worker and t
From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Sennas tactics at Hockenheim
Date: 27 Jul 1992 20:34:15 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ashley.cs.widener.edu

In article <memo.544677@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
...
>
>Here's my theory.
>
>Its up to you whether you consider that dangerous driving, or the
>best driver in F1 doing what he has to to stay competitive. I KNOW
>why Mansell was furious at Montreal now: I saw it at Hockenheim.
>Ayrton is attacking the weak spots - using psychology where his
>and his cars ability aren't enough, relying on his nerve being
>stronger than the other drivers. Only Mansell and Schumacher are
>prepared to stand up to him and have a chance of outpsyching him.
>(Maybe Brundle and Alesi too actually)
>
  Using 'pyschology', or rather using your brain is what makes drivers
like Prost and Senna unquestioned masters of their sport.  Senna knows
what Mansell's weak areas are and he exploits them.  Montreal and
Hockenheim are examples of this, as was Suzuka last year.  Mansell has
shown on many occasions that he cannot follow another car.  If Mansell
could manage a little finesse on the track, as well as just speed, I
am sure that he would have many more victories and probably a World
Championship or two under his belt.

-- 
  Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS    |  Some people can tell what time it is by
  dxandy@cs.widener.edu           |  looking at the Sun, but I have never been
  dxandy@cyber.widener.edu        |  able to make out the numbers.
-----------------------***STANDARD DISCLAIMERS APPLY***------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Sennas tactics at Hockenheim
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:09:14 +0000

ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes..


>Senna should have waived #5 by then not give him room to pass.

Why? That's against the rules. He might have got disqualified or fined.
From: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ghost of Can/Am?
Keywords: Stop Calling Me Shirley
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:20:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1270
Reply-To: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Organization: Here? Surley You Can't Be Serious?

In article <92206.084003JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan Swaby) writes:
>In article <12361@perryd>, perryd@Software.Mitel.COM (Dave Perry) says:

>>I thought Can/Am was dead - haven't heard anything about it for at least
>>5 years.  I thought I heard it  mentioned on tv (TNN? TSN?) while
>>I was channel flipping the other day. So - is it dead or what?
>Carroll Shelby has tried to bring the series back. Car and Driver
>did an article on him and mentioned the series. The cars are all the
>same. They look like Sports 2000 cars. I think the season is short
>and it includes ovals.

Ahem, don'tcha mean SCCA Enterprises has initiated yet annother spec-car
series for additional revenue enhancment in which the aforementioned
Caroll person did the design?

I thought you did....:-)

See this way the "club" can sell you the car/parts/race entries/t-shirts etc

Order yours today, just send 3700 Valvoliene box tops and a sh*tload of cash
to 
Can-Am... "The name goes on before the quality goes in"
%SCCA Enterprises Englewood CO 0U812-FOOL

"Some" assembly required..


SCCA... "Don't be alarmed, we're here to help you"
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel J Naze)
Subject: Re: Unser Jr/IMSA/PDX
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:49:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.145106.26765@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Al Unser Jr. will drive one of Tom Milner's '91 Chevrolet
>Intrepid GTPs at Portland this coming weekend.
>
>The car will be prepped by Scandia Motorsports in Redmond,
>Washington and is sponsored by Scandia, Norwegian Cruise
>Lines and General Rent a Car.
>-cannonball-
>

  I was under the impression that "Scandia" was just the team name, is
Scandia some kind of company?  If so, what is the product?

Dan Naze