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From: raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B)
Subject: Re: On achcham, madam, naaNam and payirppu
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:32:43 GMT

In <durai.60@ORTTA> durai@ORTTA (Appadurai V.) writes:

>Madam is NOT ignorance.

>It certainly means "aRindhum aRiyaadhadhu pOl iruththal"

>I can't remember any references off-hand.  I will see what I can get on this 
>subject.  

Ennanga,

	OrEdiyaa ippadi mattam thattareengalE. Arindhum ariyamalum
Therinthum theriyamalum naan seydha thavarai manniththarulveeraga
ellaraiyum mandi yida vachchuduvingaa polirukku.

	I agree to the fact that Madamai is not complete ignorance.
But the meaning you have said is not right too. One will try to
denounce women like this. I hope honorable lady members of the
net will respond right to the above statement by Appadurai.

	
				- Unmai virumbi,

					Raghu, B
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      " I hate those who hate Tamil"

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From: ambati@acsu.buffalo.edu (Balamural K. Ambati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: What is this Tamil movie?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:26:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bvt9nK.D6r
Organization: UB

I need the name for a movie starring Amala, one of whose songs is:

Kanuka nooru nilava, idhu oru kannava?

Thanks
Balamurali K. Ambati
ambati@ubunix.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,news.groups
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: Why is the ghost still active?
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:39:47 GMT

Newsgroups: news.lists
Subject: USENET Readership report for Sep 92
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:08:44 GMT
Originator: reid@torrey.pa.dec.com

        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
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        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
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        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
      7700   255   36%    33    57.7    29%  0.01   0.5%  alt.culture.tamil 
      7500   246   43%   601  1722.8    27%  0.19   0.5%  soc.culture.tamil 

More sites receiving s.c.t than a.c.t?
But more readers reading a.c.t than s.c.t.
Are these overlapping sites or readers?
Why is the ghost still active?
Does one need to visit 'kaasi' to help a.c.t rest in peace?

Only 43% of the sites receive this group at all, to have a choice to
subscribe or not. Why is this figure so low? I am told, many sites
never received the newsgroup creation message.
Is there a way to send the message again, to those who missed it (or all)?

I suggest that those who can subscribe to s.c.t., use the 'u'
command to unsubscribe to alt.culture.tamil. Then we will know
how many are really having difficulty getting s.c.t., but can get a.c.t.

Srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: On achcham, madam, naaNam and payirppu
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:06:31 GMT

In <durai.60@ORTTA> durai@ORTTA (Appadurai V.) writes:

>Madam is NOT ignorance.

>It certainly means "aRindhum aRiyaadhadhu pOl iruththal"

>I can't remember any references off-hand.  I will see what I can get on this 
>subject. 

      Even in the so called feminist world here women do possess some
of these qualities. These qualities are just feminine nothing wrong
about them. madam is not madamai-stupidity. pEthamai-is ignorance.

    madam is feigning ignorance.

         I witnessed a marriage, the only one I attended in India. My
cousin felt so shy that my aunt had to convince him to hold the
bride's hand. Some men do have those qualities although they
are considered masculine.

 Ragarding "kaRpu" it should be common to both the genders. There
is no "kaNNagi" equivalent male in Tamizh culture. No wonder
"kaNNagi" is considered an "aNangu"-godess.

        
 regards,
kathiravan
From: men124d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au ( BBKumar.. Downunder )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: RE: New Tamil Movies
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:37:34 +1000
Organization: Dept of Mech.Engg, Monash University, Australia

Anbargallae...

Vanakkam.

Mr.Anand Subramanian asked for list of tamil movies.

Here we go...

1.      Name    : ROJAA
        *s      :Mathubala, Aravindan.
        Dir     :Manirathanam
        Music   :Raghuman
        Cmnts   :Songs are good.  Not worth watching in Video.
                 But the movie is good.

2.      Name    :NaLIEya Seithee (News of  Tomorrow)
        *s      :KUSHPOOOOO, Prabhu
        Dir     :Unknown
        Music   :Deva
        Cmnts   :Bore..Unless u want to watch BUSH..BUSH..KUSHPOO.

3.      Name    :Pattathu Rani
        *s      :Gowthami, Vijayakumar, Gownds, Janaks, Manorama...
        Dir     :Unknown
        Music   :Unknown
        Cmnts   :They tried to make a comedy movie out of  this(!)

4.      Name    :Vasanthakala Paravaigal.
        *s      :SHALI, Ramesh aravind.
        Dir     :Unknown
        Music   :Deva
        Cmnts   :Love story..If u r not sick of love stories, u can
                 watch it once.  SHALI is pretty.

5.      Name    :Urimai Unjaladugirathu
        *s      :Miss.Madras(cant remember her name), Visu and his gang.
        Dir     :Obvious
        Music   :Unknown
        Cmnts   :Family story.  Sentimental Family problem and love affairs.

6.      Name    :Vasanthamae Varuga
        *s      :Archana, Suman
        Dir     :Balu Mahendra
        Music   :Ilayaraja
        Cmnts   :Usual Murder story of Balu Mahendra. Not up to BM's stds.
                 Can watch once.

7.      Name    :Endrum Anbudan
        *s      :Chithaara, Murali, Janaks, Manorama, Senthil
        Dir     :Unknown
        Music   :Unknown
        Cmnts   :Another blend of family and love affairs.

I hope this will be sufficient for the time being...for the netters.

Keep watching...
Take care.
Meendum Ezhuthuvaen.

-- 
BBKumar
(POPS Victim)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: More on achcham, madam, naaNam  and payirppu
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:56:02 GMT

In article <Bw51Lx.DBv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>In article <9210130107.AA05805@cec1.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>> 
>>              "piNaiyEr mada_nOkkum naaNum  udaiyaatku
>>                       ^^^^^
>>               aNi_evanO Edhila thandhu."
>> 
>>    `piNaiyEr mada nOkku' means `like a fawn's shy glance'. [
>                                         ^^^^^^^
>> piNai  = pen maan kutti (fawn) ] So, here, VaLLuvar uses the
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>     If I may intrude, I wish to point out that "piNai" does not
>     mean fawn but means "pen maan = female deer".

        I consulted Kasturi Srinivaan's English translation of
 ThirukkuRaL in writing my last article on this topic. He has
 translated `piNai' into `fawn' in English. As I didn't know the
 meaning of this word, I referred to a dictionary and I found the
 meaning `female deer' in it. I believe that this translation  is 
 not incorrect.

   [  rest of the article deleted  ]
>
>     Hope this throws some more light on the discussion.

     This is an understatement.
     Thanks for a very informative article on `madam'.
> 
>     anbudan
>     Selva Selvakumar
>
                                                 s.pandian
                                           sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
From: raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B)
Subject: VALLUVAN HAS CHEATED - WHY ?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:46:31 GMT


>consult each and every step they take on major political crisis.


	Sundarapanidan writes:
[  I don't agree with you. The queens did not play any role in major
>>political crisis. I suspect that your comment is based on Kalki's
>>novels like `Ponniyin selvan' in which book Chembiyan Maadevi,         
>>Kundavi play a role in political crisis. This book by Kalki is a 
>>fiction and not all he wrote could be taken as history. Moreover, 
>>Kalki has not written any book on Sangam culture. Thinking about,
>>I have not read any historical novel on Sangam culture. Unless you
>>give me some reference to any ancient Tamil work where women played
>>a role in major political crisis, I can't accept your claim.
	>> Now, I give some reference to the status of women in Sangam culture.x
  >>In my last article, I quoted from `aaththichchoodi', an ancient
>>Tamil MORAL work [in Sangam period], which says,    
 >>  "thaiyal sol kELEl." [ Don't listen to women. ]
  >>The much acclaimed Sangam work `ThirukkuRaL' has one chapter 
>>`peN vazhichchERal.' [ Being led by women.] In this chapter, which
>> falls under the essentials of the state, ThiruvaLLuvar writes,
 >>   "aRavinaiyum aanRa poruLum piRavinaiyum
  >>   peNEval saivaarkaN il." [ kuRaL # 909 ]
 [ No virtuous deeds or wealth or joy reside,
   With those who by their wife's commands, abide.] 
>>
  >>  "manaivizhaivaar maaNpayan eydhaar vinaivizhaivaar
   >>  vENdaap poruLum adhu." [ kuRaL  # 901 ]
>> [ Who long for love of wife, achieve no noble gain ;
 >>  Those on action bent, such things disdain. ]

>In most of the court hearings , the Queen sits next to king.

  >>This is true. I find this in `Silappathikaaram' for instance.

>And one can say that most of his decisions are influenced by
>her.
  
		

	Dear Netters.

	I am really shocked.


	I can never believe this. I thought valluvan was one of
the greatest guy on this earth. How can that fellow do like this.
So far , we have been thinking whatever he had said were morals
and virtues. 

	Why did he have such a hatred for women. Why does he think
that women is not dependable. We have heard stories about
Valluvan-vasuki couple. They were one of the best ones in our
past history.  What made him write like this.

	Now, I have a doubt whether one should follow his morals.
Is he a guy who wrote things irrespective of caste,creed,religion etc.,
I never thought he had a weak point here.

	I welcome your comments on this.


				Raghu B

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   "Valluvaa !  ennai EmaththittiyE !!"

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Another question....about Vetkam...
From: cs_ponneraj@cs2.lamar.edu
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:20:09 CST

Hello ! Friends...

	I was wondering if anyone could help me find out the
translation of Vetkam which preserves the nuance in Tamil....
For example ..... What is an apt translation for
	" Vetkam azhaganathu.......


Bye....
Raj.
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Bharathiyar Song
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:14:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.174157.1@draco.rutgers.edu>, viswanath@draco.rutgers.edu writes:
> 
> > In article <92Oct14.140410.22898@acs.ucalgary.ca> nvenkate@acs.ucalgary.ca (Natarajan Venkateswaran) writes:
>    and enquires about why Krishna is described as being dark coloured;
> the very word Krishna in Sanskrit means 'black' or 'dark' as in
> krishna paksha, the "black" phase of the moon.
> P.V. Viswanath

Yes Krishna means black in Skt. but it comes from Tamil root "karu or kari".
In the Vedas ( as per Vedic Index) there is no mention of Lord Krishna
( understandably, since Krishna is supposed to be a later arrival) but
there is one occurence of Krsna meaning a black bird in Veda and it is
most probably the bird referred in Tamil as kari-kuruvi.

As another valaiNYar has pointed out poet Bharathi was enchanted and intoxicated
with "form and energy". In the words "theekkuL viralai vittaal" I think 
Bharathiyaar *does* mean putting a finger inside a burning flame and it is *not*
the warmth he talks but rather the intensity of feeling "soodu".[ One should not
extend this to say that if he kept his finger long enough he will 
get burnt etc.]. It appears that "touching" the flame reminds poet Bharathi
to the "intense" feeling of "theenduthal" of nandalala. By these words Bharathi
certainly imparts a new "intensity" to the sublime feeling of 
God-Consciousness".

The original poster ( not my friend viswanath@draco) seems
to take a literal meaning of Bharathi's song. A poem is an emotional 
or "intellectual" feeling encased in a beautiful language. The original
poster should consider Bharathi's words "inba thEn vanthu payuthu kaathinilE".
If he begins to interpret "will it be a nice feeling if the honey were to
flow (pour) into ones ears ?" that will be quite missing the essence. 
Just like joke can not be
explained the poem also can not be adequately explained. In the 'thEn
vanthu payuthu' the inflow of sweet feeling is implied not the 'vada vada'
sticky feeling of thEn flowing into our ears !!

Similarly, the colour of krishna is dark which could be a dark green or
dark blue or simply black. I would venture to say that Krishna might have
looked dark green when he was standing in his 'brindhavan' with green leaves
around or he might have looked dark blue when he was in the midst of a field 
full of blue flowers or in the midst of "kuvaLai" flowers.... 


anbudan
Selva Selvakumar
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Accord of 1987 :- Repost [re: memoirs of Jayawardane]
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:04:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ceovBIK00Uh_87lI1L
	<BvrDzL.JID@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>This shows the serious under-estimation of LTTE's strength by India, which
>was one reason why it could not defeat it later.  It is said that the RAW

They did it again after the anti-LTTE crackdown in Tamil Nadu. Even the
SL defense minister went along the enthusiasm by promising to solve the
probem in 2 months by a 'secret plan.' India Today concocted a scenario
of LTTE's demise.

Well, its been more than an year.

-thambi 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: Marriages
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:36:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.224850.25575@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU  
(V.R.Kumar) writes:
> In article <1992Oct10.144728.5297@b30.ingr.com> shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva  
Shivakumar) writes:
[stuff deleted]
> Agreed Jagadisan. Love or intercase marriage is one way of preventing
> dowry. Things have become so bad that even if the groom's family refuse
> to accept any dowry, the society start suspecting the groom by 
> commenting that there should be some problem wiith the groom and hence
> the groom's family, inorder to hide it, are not asking for any dowry !!!
> The bride's family also think atleast 10 times before agreeing in this
> case. 

 Yep. Dowry is encouraged by bride's side also.
 On a side note, this incident actually happened. When the parents
gave more dowry for the younger daughter, the elder one demanded the
difference from the parents and got it. As the parents are above middle
class, they managed somehow.

Venkat
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From: kamala@npac.syr.edu (Kamala Anupindi)
Subject: SPICMACAY Syracuse: Nadaswaram Recital on Oct 23rd
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center at Syracuse University (NPAC)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:34:21 EDT

                 The Society for the Promotion of
                Indian Classical Music And Culture
                   Amongst Youth (SPIC-MACAY)
                           SYRACUSE


                       Proudly Presents
               (as a part of their FALL-FEST '92)

                
                *************************************
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                               BY

                   -----------------------------
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                   -----------------------------

                               ON
                    Friday, October 23, 1992  

 
                               AT
                             7:00 pm
                        Marshall Auditorium
                     SUNY-ESF Campus, Syracuse

                -----------------------------------
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        For further information contact:
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****************************************************************
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                (Marshall Auditorium, Marshall Hall
        SUNY Environmental Science and Forestry (ESF), Syracuse)

>From Points South:

1. I-81 North
2. Exit 18 (Adams Street)
3. From ramp, right on Adams St.
4. 2nd light, right on Irving Ave.
5. (About 4 blocks later) At end of Irving Ave., you'll see SUNY-ESF
   security booth.  Enter SUNY-ESF here.
6. After you pass Gate B of carrier dome on your left, take a right
   into ESF Parking lot.  Park here and walk to Marshall Hall.
   (Ask anyone around to identify the building.)

>From Points North:
(Also Thruway travelers from points East and West):

1. I-81 South
2. Exit 18 (for Adams St.)
3. At ramp, bear left.  You will be UNDER I-81, and traveling along
   its length.
4. 2nd light, left on Adams St.. Then follow steps 4-6 above.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rsivaram@vela.acs.oakland.edu (siva)
Subject: Re: Needed Tamil quotes Urgently.
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:14:58 GMT

In article <Bw2FFt.Koq@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>I would appreciate if some people can post Tamil quotes, (mentioning the
>source) for the following themes. I intend using it in a technical presentation
>
>1. The more we know, the more remains to be known.
   katradhu kaimann alavu, kalladadhu ulagalavu
>2. Perfection is not absolute. It is subjective.
>3. One person's medicine is another person's poison.
>
>Related areas.
>
>There must be some in Tirukkural. Post both Tamil and the famous English
>translations, if any.
>
>Thanks.
>
>K. Srinivasan  at Hydro Quebec.  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca


-- 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: What is this Tamil movie?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:37:30 GMT

In article <Bvt9nK.D6r@acsu.buffalo.edu> ambati@acsu.buffalo.edu (Balamural K. Ambati) writes:
>I need the name for a movie starring Amala, one of whose songs is:
>
>Kanuka nooru nilava, idhu oru kannava?
>
>Thanks
>Balamurali K. Ambati
>ambati@ubunix.buffalo.edu

Vedham Puthidhu starring Satyaraj and Amala, directed by Bharathiraja.


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: padi ......
Summary: padi
Keywords: padi
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:51:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: aries.thai.718599101
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


my dad sent me this cutting recently.    

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noolaipadi - muraipadi 
noolaipadi

kalayir padi kadumpagal padi 
malai iravu porulpadum padi noolaipadi!

karpavai karkumpadi
valluvar sonnapadi
karkatthaan vendum appadi
kallaathavar vaazhvatheppadi?  nollaipadi!

saathi ennum thaazhnthapadi
namakellaam thallupadi!
saethi appadi! therinthupadi
theemai vanthidu maemerupadi noolaipadi!

poyyilae mukkarpadi
purattilae kaarpadi
vaiyagam aemaarumpadi
vaithulla noorkalai oppuvatheppadi?  noolaipadi!

thodangaiyil varunthumpadi
iruppinum oondripadi
adaangaa inbam marupadi 
aagumendra aandror sorpadi noolaipadi!

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could you guys guess who might have possibly written this?       

anban,
thayumanavan  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nvenkate@acs.ucalgary.ca (Natarajan Venkateswaran)
Subject: Bharathiyaar Song
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:42:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


Nanbargale,

	Many posters responded to my posting on 'Bharathiyaar Song'. Some
of them had suggested that one should not always logically analyse poems. I
agree with them and I am sorry if I gave that kind of impression. For 
example, Mr Selvakumar writes as follows.

-> The original poster ( not my friend viswanath@draco) seems
-> to take a literal meaning of Bharathi's song. A poem is an emotional 
-> or "intellectual" feeling encased in a beautiful language. The original
-> poster should consider Bharathi's words "inba thEn vanthu 
-> payuthu kaathinilE".
-> If he begins to interpret "will it be a nice feeling if the honey were to
-> flow (pour) into ones ears ?" that will be quite missing the essence. 
->
-> anbudan
-> Selva Selvakumar
	
	I realise that in this context 'thEn' stands for 'inimai'
or 'sweetness'. While this is very obvious here, the original question
was not directly meant to be intrepreted as 'fire'. The qualities of 'fire'
in the context of the poem was what the question was seeking an answer for.
In fact, the variety of responses received on this aspect did try to 
explain that.

						Vanakkam
						Natarajan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Accord of 1987 : - Repost [re: memoirs of Jayawardane]
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:30:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AepNRo200iV081v19r
	<1992Oct8.151826.24374@cis.uab.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>	Guy!! What are u up to?  U just want to brag that LTTE is
>	the supreme force and most idealistic force.  I dont want

Read my post. It doesn't seem seem to give such a message. You have to be
paranoid to write what you wrote. Its like a knee-jerk reaction..


thambi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil