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From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (Jim Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:18:32 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
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dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>p.7, panel 4:  Crystal Kid?
What?

>p.13, last panel:  Are Saturn Girl's earings tacky, or are they tacky?
I agree with Elizabeth -- I rather like them.

>p.14, last panel:  Why is Catspaw referring to herself in the third
>person?  She speaks normal English/whatever elsewhere.  And she's
>felinoid, not aardvarkian.  Also, why does she appear insulted?  She
>couldn't have lived as long as she has (assuming she was either put in
>stasis or cloned from a body of her apparent age) without learning that
>people don't care to be clawed.
Unless she comes from a different culture where clawing is considered a form
of erogeny.  And talking in the third person is not that unusual -- just
usually reserved for the verbally impaired (Hulk, Solomon Grundy).

>p.15, panel 8:  It seems that Cham *and* Danielle were hit by flying
>planets -- So how will they decide which of them is to lead the Legion?
They don't.  The Planetary Chance Machine was used to select *mission*
leaders -- not *Legion* leaders.  My reference is Adv 319, which may now
have been ret-conned away (and this is, I believe, the only appearance of
the PCM).  Knowing T&M's writing style, though...

Side-note: I'm working on The Omnicom Project -- 1964/5 (Adv 318-332).  I'm 
also re-reading LSH v4 and finding several planets and things only 
mentioned in passing nearly 30 years ago, mentioned in passing again.

>p.19, last panel:  Thanking Jan Jr. for Jan Sr.'s actions.  I guess the
>young Legionnaires are going to inherit the ghosts of a lot of LSH history.
>They'll just have to learn to grin and bear it.
True.  In this case, though, I wonder if Sean was thanking Jan-Prime because
he couldn't bring himself to talk to Jan just yet.

>p.22, panel 1:  Looks as though Laurel took her older self's advice about
>costuming.  Though why she's got a no-pest strip hanging down to her knees
>is beyond me.
To continue the middle-stripe.  It wouldn't be as obvious if the stripe
ended half-way down.  I wonder, though, since Laurel has this thing about
showing off her butt, is she wearing anything *under* the no-pest strip?
Not that I'm *really* interested... :-/

>It'll be interesting to see if the writers can find anything actually
>useful for Tenzil and Luornu to do.  I'm looking forward to finding out.
I rather enjoy having Tenzil around for comic relief, but I don't want to
see LSH v4 #11 or #14 again.  Those turned me off from actually reading the
book for nearly six months (I was still buying them, but I don't know
why...).

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Where's Neil now?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:58:11 GMT

Quick question.
Anyone know where Neil Gaiman is now?
Did he go to Phoenix?  Is he scheduled for any more
signings, or is this particular leg of touring over?


the ever curious and rabid Sandotaku, LJC
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Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:25:42 GMT
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <C16y10.K2F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Thanatos) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.204533.12301@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>>In article <93020.111835U58505@uicvm.uic.edu>,
>><U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>> First of all, I am Roman Catholic (not a practicing one mind you, I
>>> just go to church every Sunday; for the rest of the week, religion isn't
>>> really part of my life).
>>
>>[FLAME:]
>>Then you're not really a Catholic.  You only do the pantomime and lie to
>>yourself into believing that's enough.  Get in all the way or get out.
>
>A wise old cardinal once said, "Just because you're standing in a garage, 
>doesn't make you a car."

Contrarily, another wise speaker has said that a great way to halt
communication is to tell a man how to define himself.

Sure works on USENET, anyway.

-David
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From: cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir)
Subject: Re: Regarding Future Imperfect
Summary: About FI...
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:55 GMT

       Future Imperfect, Future Imperfect, that's all I see on this
group lately. All it was was a story about the future where the Hulk has
mellowed out after many years, calling himself the Maestro. Oh yeah, he
has control over the world, or something of that nature. The Hulk of
Present Day is enlisted to overthrow himself in the future, as the
Maestro has taken care of all the superheroes. I think this is what it
is about, I personally haven't read it...help me out, net people. Am I
wrong or not? I am just testing out the posting ability of our computer
after it crashed or something this morning...As always, I am...

                                                  Nomad

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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:45:29 GMT

leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:

>silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:

>>dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:

>>>Just a few thoughts and questions on the latest installment....


>>>4) What does anyone think the outcome of the entire story might be?  From
>>>the current evidence it looks like Delirium is going to change into something
>>>else, but perhaps one of the Endless might die?  Maybe Destruction or Delirium?
>>>There was a reference, I think from Destiny, to this (again) this issue.

>>Delirium's been changing over the whole story, maybe she'll finally be
>>ready to confront whatever it was that made her stop being Delight?  "I
>>don't know how much longer I can be like this...  It Hurts very muchly."
>>She's already startin to grow up a little, facing the pain and standing
>>up to Destiny while Morph gets it all together...  I *hope* no one dies,
>>altho the scene with the Corinthian kinda hints to that.


>I wasn't under the impression that she had been changing much in the
>story, if anything we just got to see her more and her character is
>more well developed.  I think that there is no "confrontation" with
>what made here change, that needs to be faced.  I thought that she was
>well aware of why she changed, even if Destiny wasn't.  And there
>haven't been any indications that she is afraid or uncomfortable with
>the change, or the events that caused the change.

>I thought that her short period o lucidity ws not something new, but
>something she was able to do when she decided it was necessary.


>>>I'm glad Dream finally caught up with Destruction...the storyline had begun
>>>to drag a little bit.

>>>Oh, one last question:

>>>In the flashback scenes, what did the scene with the Corinthian refer to?
>>>Is this something we haven't seen before, an even in the past we don't know
>>>about?  Blood on the throne of the Dreaming....  

>>I think it's probably in the future...  In the past, Dream's *always*
>>worn black.  L8tly, tho, he's been changing.  Del's been changing, too,
>>and when she and Morph go to see Orph and Destruction she's wearing
>>white...  Also, the geometric patterns on the back of his cloak (the
>>white one) look vaguely futuristic.


>I figured that the Corinithin scene was in the past, since the
>Corinthian is no more.  But perhaps Dream reconstitutes him to fulfill
>his boon to Orpheus.  Therefore, Dream isn't directly involved, and
>the Kindly Ones' wrath is not drawn.

But if the Kindly ONes' wrath isn't drawn, why is the next big story
called "The Kindly Ones"?  *8-)
			-Darkmage
>	Lee

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"I...?  I shall stand around looking... moody.  And feeling...
 sorry for myself."
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: IMAGE et al.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:26:24 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > hat I meant, as I took each item from the original post, was that,
 > tho Keown's inking was okay, his pencils look much better when
 > they appeared in the Hulk, with Mark Farmer's inks. I didn't think
 > the inking was as nearly as bad as the lettering. I mean, gosh,
 > there's a page where you can see where they had cut out some
 > lettering and replaced it, if my memory is correct (look for a
 > slim white line...)

I haven't found the thin white line thing.  But a lot of the problem
with the lettering, I think, is that there's lots of sloppiness around,
and extraneous marks.  This is especially evident on page 14, across
from the worst-inked page in the book.  I think these problems are not
due to the letterer, but again, due to Keown's inking.  Comic books are
lettered over the pencils, and then inked. I think Keown is just sloppy
enough with the inking that he gets little ink splatters and screw-ups
all over the speech balloons and panel borders the letterer has drawn.
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From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole)
Subject: Delirium's eye color (was: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7)
Organization: NCSU
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:37:26 GMT

dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:

>2) Once again we got more references to change, kind of like being hit
>with a lead brick, unfortunately.  Destruction with his cooking, Delirium
>having the same color eyes (didn't she do this last issue, and even before
>Dream notices this issue?), etc.  I don't have the issue in front of me,
>but I'm sure there were others.

When Dream made this observation, the previous panel (since eye color
cannot be seen in the panel in which Dream comments) shows Delirium with
one green and one blue eye.  I had understood that previous instances of
the same eye color were coloring mistakes.  Is this instance of
differing eye color a mistake as well.

Robert G. Cole
cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Sandman #47 (APA!  SPOILERS!)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:02:28 GMT

jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein):
>Ah, and the idiot of a colorist! 

Is it possible that this screwup -- and the converse screwup in the
last issue -- will be corrected in the GN, or will they almost certainly
use the same coloring?

-----
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   Aphorism is better than none.
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:59:18 GMT

khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
> In article <1k4seoINNkan@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
> >
> >fritz@titanic.East.Sun.COM (SE Sun Vienna Va.) says:
> >
> >>After reading that Moore, Gaiman, Wagner, and Miller
> >>were going to guest write issues 8 - 11 of Spawn,
> >
> >>reading 6 and 7, I had to wonder how they attracted
> >>these high caliber writers to this book.
> >
> >3 words:  total creative control.  
> 
> How about one word, or rather sign ? $$

Uh, no.  Sure it's a side benefit, but the four artists in question
have never been one for writing for the money.  They pick and choose
their projects very carefully, and thus have a higher standard of
quality than  many artists out there.  Sim in particular is doing it
to lend support to the Image gand for having the guts to strike out on
their own....

> >Alan Moore has had trouble with DC on virtually all of
> > his projects.  e.g. Watchmen vs Charlton characters.
> 
> Well, I know Alan had trouble with DC over some aspects of Watchmen licensing
> (not as far as I know over the suggested substitution of Watchmen for Charl-
> ton characters). I dont know that he had any trouble over the other stuff he
> did for DC : Green Lantern, Swamp Thing, Killing Joke. 

Tons o' trouble.  ESPECIALLY on V for Vandetta which they almost had
to sue him into writing.  Moore's primary gripe with DC was the
"labeling" controversy, which were of course being used on the V for
Vandetta books.  He also was very unhappy with the Killing Joke being
promoted as a full-sclae graphic novel when he wrote it as a throw
away story, Swamp Thing there was the Comics Code cencorship debate
(although DC was pretty fair with him on that one)....

> >Neil Gaiman is probably fed up with DC mis-coloring
> > Sandman + Eclipse not paying him.

> Give me a break !! He's only doing one issue, not marrying McFarlane. I havent
> seen anything to indicate that Gaiman is unhappy with DC. He's been doing wor-
> k for lots of different publishers for quite a while anyway. 

No, Gaiman's had his problems too, especially with theusage of his
Death character without his permission.  DC has been VERY careful to
treat him well so he doesn't go the way of Alan Moore.....
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From: mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey)
Subject: Hype (was Re: JLA #72) 
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:46:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.030315.15480@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>     Still and all, it was a great feeling to see something like this done 
>without a big buildup and announcements about "Coming Soon!  The Dark'n'Gritty 
>(tm) JLA like you've never seen them before!".  No big hype, just a story that 
>makes you wonder where the last 50 issues you missed went to lead up to this 
>one. 

With comments like this for the JLA and current Flash and a few other
things, I've become more irritated about the comics market in general.  Are
we to look at it as a good thing every time a company doesn't hype something
to death?  (This issue: "Peter Parker crosses the street and Marvel didn't
use a holo-grafx, foil-embossed, glow-in-the-dark, gatefold moving cover 
with a pop-up display!  Rejoice for comic marketing isn't invading every
issue we try to read!")  [hmmm...sarcasm....]

Seriously, though, I don't like to acknowledge the existence of such bad
hype, much less the absence of it.  (Er, did that make sense?)


Mick

 
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From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:24:53 GMT
Organization: Sun
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In article <1993Jan27.195918.7920@scott.skidmore.edu> jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:

[ About Gaiman's gripes with DC]
>
>
>No, Gaiman's had his problems too, especially with theusage of his
>Death character without his permission.  

That took place over two and a half years ago, and it was probably partly Neal's
fault for not making clear that Death wasnt to be used without his permission.
I would classify it as a very minor matter (besides, I liked Captain Atom #42). 
DC has been very careful about using his characters since then : the only place
in which they've appeared not written by Gaiman has been Ambush Bug and Lobo. 

Gaiman did have some differences with DC in the first year, in which DC claimed
that the Sandman character bore a resemblance to the old Kirby Sandman, and wanted
to deny him some ownership rights. Fortunately, sanity prevailed and they backed
off. 

Abhijit
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Whither r.a.c.i?
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:56:06 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
> I would like to talk about the traffic level in
> rec.arts.comics.info in general. It has been pretty low.
	[...]
> rec.arts.comics.info exists for informational posts, and
> reviews.

	I have been encouraging review-posters via e-mail to post reviews
to rac.info.  The knockoff Annotations have mostly been jokey, but I still
think they could show up in raci.
	The Double Diamond and Antarctic snoops could post their scoops
to raci.
	We just need to encourage people to -use- the group.
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truncheon over the anarchist's bomb."--Vice President Spiro Agnew
  
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From: shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson)
Subject: Silver Surfer/Warlock:Resurection
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:57:16 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


   I was just wondering what people thought of this. It was nice
to see Starlins' artwork again.  I've always loved the way he
drawn Warlocks face with the menacing grin.

-shawn
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From: sigel@vsscad.enet.dec.com (Andrew Sigel)
Subject: Re: Sandman Question ... (Awards)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:32:17 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.101946.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes...
>In article <1993Jan23.165159.6475@cs.odu.edu>, bards_n@azalea.cs.odu.edu (Nathan Bardsley) writes:
>> Yes, it was SANDMAN #17, =A Midsummer Mights Dream= that won the World
>> Fantasy Award for short fiction in 1991.  And all the reports I've heard from
>> folks who were there say tha the crowd went crazy when the winners were
>> announced.  If there was anyone there who was "shocked or horrified that
>> a =comic book= beat out works of prose" to paraphrase Mr. Ellison, was
>> doing a good job of not being noticed by the majority of the folks who
>> were sincerly happy for Mr. Gaiman.
> 
>Not only that, but I believe that the World Fantasy Award rules now
>*explicity* exclude comic books from eligibility.

To be strictly accurate, comic books and graphic novels are no longer
eligible to compete with strictly prose works in the short fiction or
novel categories.  The World Fantasy board or committee or whatever they
are decreed this, relegating such eligibility to either an Other Forms
or Special Awards category, I can't remember which.

It is certainly possible that the WF board or a majority of members thereon
were shocked and/or horrified when their duly empaneled award judges
presented them with Sandman #19 as the winner of the short fiction award,
which they were then obliged to give.  They certainly moved quickly enough
to prevent a recurrence.  However -- and here's where Ellison errs in a
grand way -- the members of the World Fantasy Convention audibly showed
their approval of the award as given both at the ceremony and afterwards.
The thing to remember about the World Fantasy Convention is that its rules
and guidelines are promulgated by a very small group of people who seem to
have very firm and sometimes exclusionary ideas as to what is suitable in
areas from award eligibility to the price and location of their convention.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: NEWS: Marvel enters Japanese market
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:34:12 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

According to a short article in today's Albuquerque Journal (hey, I
read what's available) Marvel Comics has formed an alliance with
Shogakukan Productions of Japan to help Marvel "enter the publishing
and merchandising market in Japan."

They even showed a picture of an actor dressed as Spider-Man eating
with chopsticks during a reception held in a Tokyo restaurant.  (The
Japanese people in the background of the picture are no doubt
wondering how Spider-Man is going to eat with his mask covering his
mouth. 8-)

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From: David.Rapp@launchpad.unc.edu (David Rapp)
Subject: The New Titans
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:59:29 GMT


     Can someone please post or send me a summary of what has happened
in the New Titans. I picked up 94 and 95, but I'm almost completely lost.
Phil Jiminez does a nice George Perez clone job though, art-wise. Any
help will be appreciated. Thanks.

Dave
in%"dr4740@albnyvms.bitnet"

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: PAD books this week (Hulk, X-Factor)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:59:26 GMT

goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb):
>Speaking of psionics, why on earth did Rick call in a psychiatrist
>to help Marlo? If she's really just in a coma, as he believes, wouldn't
>a telepath be much, much more effective?

If your lover were acting like a zombie, would you call a doctor or
a psychic?  Honestly now...




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From: bards_n@azalea.cs.odu.edu (Nathan Bardsley)
Subject: Gaiman & Eclipse (was Re: Gaiman/DC Elementals)
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:01:48 GMT

As I understand it, yes, there have been problems with the cashflow between
Eclipse and Gaiman, Neil is/was holding out until they got settled.  I'm
not sure (iow, I fon't remember) but I think that significant progress has been
made in the recent past.  He intends to finish the Silver Age, and do 
another arc.  So write to Eclipse and complain. <g>
-- 
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