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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac OS on PC
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 09:09:55 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (nazedgi) writes:

> Microsoft has declared the war on Macs from the moment they released
> Windows. Apple sued to no avail and Windows sales are skyrocketing. Now
> they have released Windows for workgroups and Video for windows (A
> quicktime competitor) Why doesn't Apple port the OS to the PC world?
> I understand that it may hurt some of their hardware sales, but what
> would hurt more, the MAC OS running on a PC or Windows machines?

1. It wouldn't cut into sales of Apple hardware, it would devastate
   them. A great many people would buy cheap PCs if they could run the
   Mac OS plus DOS/Windows.

2. Apple could not possibly support all the PC clones and weird combinations
   of third party hardware found in the PC world. Half the people who
   bought the Mac OS for their PC would end up screaming about how it
   doesn't work and how Apple's a piece of crap. If you think flames
   about Apple are bad now ...

3. The current Mac OS has probably been written specifically for the
   68K processor, and porting to an x86 base would probably mean an
   entire rewrite. No way is Apple going to derail their software
   development effort in such a way; their future plans lie in a different
   direction.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cca@sscux1.ssc.gov (Charles Allen)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT-7.1 installer quirk
Organization: UTexas-Austin Physics
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:27:37 GMT

When I did the 7.0 to 7.1 upgrade, here's what happened with fonts:

All fonts moved to the new Fonts folder.

Geneva, Monaco, and Chicago were ALSO in the System file.  I left them
there (what happens if someone moves the Fonts folder?).

The "purgable" bit on the fonts in the Fonts folder was unset (I
didn't actually check ALL of them, just several).  This is what causes
the memory usage to appear higher.  I "solved" this by reinstalling
the Apple Font Pack, which installs things with the purgable bit set.

Charles Allen        UTexas-Austin Physics        allen@uthep2.ph.utexas.edu
From: Daniel.Hanna@f406.n712.z3.asstdc.oz.au (Daniel Hanna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Grayshare
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:11:36 +1100


Has anyone got any info on whether Apple's rumoured 'Grayshare' will allow
networking of all serial printers, eg. StyleWriters, Personal LS, etc?

Also, will it be free or is this another 'pay to play' extension?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus)
Subject: Re: Problem with double-clicking
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:27:40 GMT

In article <1hra8aINNt3h@shelley.u.washington.edu> marglin@stein.u.washington.edu (Stephen Marglin) writes:
>Recently my old SE has refused to respond to double-clicking. With this
>exception, everything seems to be working fine. I am running System 7.0
>(with tune-up). The only recent change in the installation of NOW
>Utilities. I have re-installed the system, without benefit. Admittedly, I
>used the installer, and did not trash the old system. Anyone out there
>with clues as to what I might do at this juncture?

     Well, first of all, go to the Mouse control panel and try adjusting the
double-click speed there.  If this fails, it probably means that your parameter
RAM is messed up somehow.  Try holding down Command-Option-P-R while powering
up the machine, and keep them held down until the startup beep sounds a second
time; this will reset the parameter RAM, and might well fix the problem
(warning: it will also reset the settings in many other control panels; you'll
have to go through and set them up properly again).  If that fails, do a full
reinstall (trashing the old System Folder).
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:15605 comp.sys.mac.apps:19109 comp.sys.mac.comm:12485
From: michaelf@psg.com (Michael Fetzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacX25?
Summary: where?
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:02:27 GMT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

it has become apparent I may be able to make an X25 connection through tymnet
to one of my hosts. Asking around, I got some info from a netter stating there
was a product called MacX25 out there.

Questions: where can I get it? I assume, it is like MacTCP and available on
some net site? Archie turned up nothing, but I may have searched to narrowly.

Also, are there special harware requiremtns? I assume that since it's a
regular dial in, my Supra v.32bis modem in synch mode can do the trick?

Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: David Johnston <davidj@daveland.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Split Infinitive in System!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A763E5E8CA0108B8@daveland.demon.co.uk>
X-Xxdate: Sun, 27 Dec 92 03:59:52 GMT
Organization: Daveland Developments
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:59:16 GMT

In article <725437806.AA00941@contrast.wlink.nl> Peter Kocourek,
qsi@contrast.wlink.nl writes:
>Playing with ResEdit and my System file, I managed to trash it; upon
>re-installing the "Ask before emptying" dialog of the trash can was
enabled
>again, and to my horror I discovered that it contains a split infinitive
>"...to permanently remove..."
>
>Am I just a sole lunatic in a wasteland of solecisms who notices this?
>
>(Sorry, I had to get this off my chest. :-))

I'm afraid phobias about split infinitives are not allowed on the
grounds that they were artificially imported from classical
languages. If I could be bothered, I'd check with my mother who
has a degree in these things but I can't so there.

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           David Johnston:  davidj@daveland.demon.co.uk
                          Cambridge, UK
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Software to shut down and startup a mac automatically
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 21:39:11 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <rtmd30-010193000610@220.1.50.175> rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com (Greg Ferguson) writes:

>to run to turn it on? It would be *very* dangerous software with much juju
>which could startup a Mac which is off. I would be inclined to inspect my
>CPU with an axe if I saw my machine turn itself on.

Perhaps THIS explains the demise of the Lisa and the Mac Portable...
(both had this capability-- the Lisa could turn back on after a
certain period of time, and the the Portable could wake up after a
certain period of time)

-- 
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Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:15522 comp.sys.mac.programmer:20306
From: jimp@trigraph.uucp (Jim Prall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Think C has great debugger (was Re: SADE-the worst debugger)
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:24:29 GMT
Organization: Trigraph Inc.

In <chuck-231292082237@choffman.gte.com> chuck@gte.com (Chuck Hoffman) writes:

>In article <1h9gmlINNk3f@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>,
>maennig@siggi.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Olaf Maennig) wrote:
>> 
>> Hi! (frustrated greeting)
>[followed by much venting about SADE and MPW]
>> Now, the most important question to me:
>> IS THERE ANOTHER AND BETTER DEBUGGER OUT THERE?
Chuck Hoffman replies:
>1.  You can use SourceBug which runs under MPW release 3.
>2.  You can use THINK C instead of MPW.  THINK C is much easier than MPW,
>and has a nice debugger.  You will have to buy THINK C, but that's cheaper
>than paying for the heart attack you might get from MPW.
I second the motion for THINK C. Its debugger is great. You can view
structures as a window listing field names and values (choice of formats - 
hex, decimal, string, etc.) Then when a structure contains a pointer
or a handle, you can de-reference by double-clicking. This brings
up another window for the structure that points to... and so on.
Great for the maze of Mac structures containing pointers to
structures containing ....
.
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From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 and Zmodem -- HELP!!
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:22:37 GMT
Organization: a2i network
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

t303grey@vax1.mankato.msus.edu wrote:

:   It seems System 7.1 doesn't like Z-modem protcol. Microphone II 4.0 and
: ZTerm 0.9 both stop transfering after 3-5 min when downloading. I'm not 
running
: any INITs (oops Extensions) at all. Here's my system config....

: Mac IIsi
: 17MB RAM
: Logitech dual slot with FPU
: Logitech 64K cache
: Microne Macro Color 30 video card.
: Zoom V.32bis FaxModem

   I works fine for me, I use Microphone II as well; and I have used both a 
USRobotics 16.8k Dual Standard as well as a Telebit WorldBlazer.  Here's my 
system config, running System v7.1

  Quadra 950
  16mb RAM
  400mb HD
  1mb VRAM (instead of a graphics card)
  USRobotics 16.8k Dual

 
-- 
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Telephone <*> (415) 855-2888
From: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Locking folder names
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:42:59 GMT
Reply-To: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu ()
Organization: "Silicon Surfers, Inc."

, 28 10:42:59 19929210:42:59 1992EST GMTLines: 12


Is there an easy free way to lock folder names? We're using revRdist to
refresh drives and some doofusses love to rename folders and cause us
to recopy entire folders.

Thanks.

--
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Internet: rand@merrimack.edu, rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: umandru1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John N. Andrusioh)
Subject: Re: PowePC Chip emulation, Why 68020??
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:53:22 GMT


The answer to the question "Why is apple only emulating the 68020" has already
been answer, but I'll just make some additional clairification.
 
The processors greater than the '020 are identical to the '030 in terms of the
user machine. The big difference is that the code runs faster. All the other 
changes are to the supervisor machine.
 
The thing to remember here is Apple's reasoning. Apple's purpose is NOT to create
a virtual macintosh. For them it's sufficient to produce something that will run
90% to 95%  of existing macintosh software. Application software should not
by accessing supervisor stuff, such as the MMU and cache controls. Apple never
These tasks, if needed by an application, should be performed by operating system 
calls. Since these will be run in native PowerPC code, the emulated operating
system can be designed to emulate these calls as much as necessary.

Apple has never guarenteed supporting all existing software when it upgrades the system
software. In fact experience has shown that Apple barely supports any software
upgrade. (Actually they're better than most, but it's not perfect, not by a long shot.)
 
So, by only implementing '020 user code, Apple can concentrate on running
application software as fast as problem. Implementing a full virtual machine
would increase the complexity by 2 or 3 times, without a corresponding gain in
usefuless. For Apple's purposes, it's good enough.
 
John Andrusiak
From: RTL@siva.bris.ac.uk (RICHARD LIM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Sticky mouse button
Date: 1 Jan 1993 12:50:45 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation

Maybe the original poster hasn't been reading the Sumex Digest because this
problem came up a few months back. Quite a lot of people have seen it and
one of the Digest's "associates", if I can put it that way (Hiya Liam!) was
compiling a list of reports to submit to Apple.  It seems the common
denominator in the "phantom button down" events is that the mouses/mice in
question were all made in Malaysia
From: feinberg@acsu.buffalo.edu (John A. Feinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Inside Mac stack location
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:39:52 GMT
Organization: UB

A little while ago I mentioned that Apple has made an Inside Mac I-V stack
available, but didn't mention the location (I had forgotten it).  I have since
gotten it back, and will post it, since people have asked me about it that I
can't seem to reply to.  It is at ftp.apple.com, in directory
/dts/mac/docs/stacks/spinside.  It is huge!!  Also, in the /stacks directory,
there is another directory (tnstack) that apparently contains another giant
stack which most likely contains all of the Apple technical notes

John Feinberg
SUNY Buffalo
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Duo's: Are Redundant Systems A Good Idea?
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:53:07 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Distribution: na

-scott@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Scott Smith) writes:

--wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:

--Basically, anything that would waste your RAM disc will hose your
--machine.  When my RAM disc would crash, it still thought it was the
--boot volume, and hung trying to boot from a now garbage "disc".  I had
--to use a floppy to recover.  You'll "usually" be ok, but I'd trust
--my hard drive more.

-I did this once (hosed my RAM system disk intentionally to see what
-would happen), and restarting would not work.  However, shutting down
-(by the switch on the back) caused the computer to erase the RAM disk
-and I booted fine. 

On my 140, about 2/3's of the time, the power switch fixed things.
Some of the time, however, even that wouldn't work, and I had to
turn off the RAM disc via a startup floppy.  This small percentage of
difficult to recover crashes and the large amount of RAM I needed to
devote to a RAM disc just to get a sufficently configured system
booted made me go back to using the 'ol hard drive.

If I had a DUO with 24 meg, then I suppose I could spare the RAM to
use for a disc, but alas I'm stuck with another decrepit and obsolete
machine ;-).  I did find that setting the Disc Cache fairly large
(I've got mine set at 1.5 meg) does halt the spinning up of the drive
a lot if you're only running one or two apps.  Even one accidental
disc spin up is not acceptable if you want to take your machine into a
meeting with you.  In that situation, I still take my Atari Portfolio
with me, since it is totally silent, I can type quick notes into it,
then upload them into my Mac when I get back to my desk.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: leec4@rpi.edu (CD LEE)
Subject: Re: 7.1 Install barfs on Quadra 700
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:17:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.160349.1835@mail.cornell.edu>, Bill Stearns
<whs1@cornell.edu> wrote:
> 
> The system 7.1 Install disk would not boot my Quadra 700 with 20MB RAM &
> E-Machines 16" monitor.  Symptoms were a blank dialog box that constantly
> rebuilt its border which appeared after the Welcome dialog box had
> appeared and then cleared.
> I was able to get around this by creating a RAM Disk and copying the 7.1
> Disk Tools System to it and setting the RAM Disk as the Startup Disk,
> rebooting and running the Installer.
> - Bill Stearns

I have Q700 20MB RAM with 2MB VRAM & 16" Apple.
I have no problem with System 7.1

I think you get into the bug of system 7.1
When you install the System 7.1 for Quadra, do not use "easy install"
You need to choose "Customize" and slect "Install for All Macintosh" or
something like that.

CD LEE, Chun-Da Lee                                 leec4@rpi.edu
ITS Consultant, ITS=Information Technology Service  CD_Lee@MTS.RPI.EDU
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ag@erasure.ATT.COM (Agesino Primatic)
Subject: Powerbook 170 Startup Problem
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:08:25 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Reply-To: ag@erasure.hdtv.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


I had a strange problem with my PowerBook 170 recently (System 7.0.1
w/ System 7 Tuner 1.1.1, 8 MB RAM, 120 MB Hard Drive).  When I tried
to start it up, it would get as far as putting up the Finder's Menu
Bar, then pause for about 1/2 second, then clear the Menu Bar and
repeat.  I tried disabling all of my INITs (w/ Extenstion Manager),
but it didn't help the problem.

Here's the weird part.  I booted from a floppy, but when it got to the
Finder, two of the hard drive's folder windows continually became
selected and deselected rather quickly.  I couldn't do anything,
because the watch cursor was up (I tried Command-., and a few other
keys and mouse clicks).  Scary thing, not even being able to boot from
a floppy.

I tried rebuilding the desktop (which it let me do), but it didn't fix
the problem.

Then, I started up again with just the hard drive, and while it was in
its Finder/No Finder cycle, I held down just the Option key.  It then
started up correctly.


First question: Did anyone ever see this behavior with a PowerBook
before?

Second question: What does holding down just the Option key do when
starting the Finder?


Thanks,

Ag Primatic
AT&T Bell Laboratories
ag@erasure.hdtv.att.com
From: Michael.Davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org (Michael Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: AfterD 2.0w & AutoD 1.0.7i
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:08:01 CST
Reply-To: michael.davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org
Organization: The MacRocosm BBS, Lawrence, KS
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

L.H.Wood was heard wondering:

LW> I always get an error 25 _Jackson when Autodoubler 1.0.7i kicks in for the
LW> second check while After Dark 2.0w is running. And increasing the Finder
LW> memory doesn't fix it - I think these two utilities might be squabbling
LW> over something.

I don't know what the problem is, but i've heard of the problem before. You're
not alone. Maybe it has something to do with both programs abreviations.
Seriously, though, sorry i cannot help you.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ralphw@comm.mot.com (Ralph Warchol)
Subject: AppleShare 3.0 -> 3.0.1 upgrade kit
Reply-To: ralphw@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS STC
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:47:50 GMT

I just received my AppleShare 3.0 -> 3.0.1 upgrade kit. It contains no
information regarding what has been fixed. Does anyone know what
problems have been fixed in 3.0.1?

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        Software Technology Center - LMPS Research | Ph:  708-576-8519  
        Motorola Inc., Schaumburg, Illinois        | Fax: 708-576-3131

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: **IMPORTANT** 7.1 installer quirk
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:54:59 GMT

parej@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Pare Jerome) writes:
> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> >I upgraded from 7.0.1 to 7.1 and discovered something interesting.
> >If you just use the installer to move up to 7.1 (as opposed to a
> >'clean' install) the installer leaves the system fonts in the system
> >FILE instead of removing them
   [skipping along]
> >In any case if you have upgraded to 7.1 and NOT used a 'clean'
> >install CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FILE FOR FONTS.  If you find any REMOVE THEM.
> >It could save you grief in the long run.
> 
> Pardon me if I'm wrong, but are you sure that you can do a clean install
> from the 7.0.dot to 7.1 upgrade kit?

You can.

> Personally, I don't think so cause if it's possible, then I bought the 
> wrong product (6.0.x to 7.1 upgrade).  I bought the latter essentially to
> be able to do a "clean" upgrade, despite the higher price tag, so could
> you please confirm this to me?

The 6.0.x to 7.1 upgrade is for people who were not already running system  
7.  If you were already running system 7, then you should have bought the  
cheaper upgrade.  If you were not running system 7, then Apple expects you  
to buy the 6.0.x to 7.1 upgrade.

Both packages can do clean installs.  I've done clean installs with the  
cheaper upgrade package, because I *always* do clean installs (it gives me a  
chance to weed out the clutter in my system folder).  Besides, in this case  
I wanted to sort out my fonts (once again, hopefully for the last time!).

--
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ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:40:51 EST
Subject: Re: Binhex4 error message

George,
somewhere along the lines you did not get the whole file! The end of the file
or EOF is where the problem lies!

After that you should ftp stuffit expander-which will unstuff most formats
i.e. compactor stuffit, dd



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mfraase@mr.net (Michael Fraase)
Subject: Re: Mac IIci Problems
Reply-To: mfraase@mr.net (Michael Fraase)
Organization: Arts & Farces
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.013822.1738@bernina.ethz.ch>, bruno@nariwork20.ethz.ch 
(Bruno Rechberger) writes:
> 
> Recently we have upgraded our Mac IIci to 20MB RAM. Therefore we turned the 
> 32bit addressing on. After that PC Exchange crashed the Mac every time a 
DOS 
> disk was inserted. The funny thing is that PC Exchange works fine on a IIfx 
> (8MB RAM) with 32bit addressing turned on. We also have similar problems 
with 
> some other programs (Task It, Talk, TurboGopher).

For what it's worth, I run a Mac IIci with 20MB RAM and have no trouble at 
all with TurboGopher 1.0.5. Or at least none that I think are attributable to 
32-bit addressing.

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