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From: tmerklin@fwhnm02.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Teresa Merklin)
Subject: Re: A Basketball God speaks:
Organization: Motorola Inc., Ft. Worth, Tx
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 16:11:48 GMT

>
>Reports of chants of Shaq, shaq, shaq are increasing around the league.
>Gee wonder why noone is chanting Laettner,Laettner,Laettner??? Wonder why?

Actually I think a lot of this is made up by ESPN. For example I went to
a Dallas Mavericks game last week, and after which heard ESPN report that
Dallas fans were chanting "Shaq!". There was no such chant.
				   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Could it be...talent?

Frankly I don't give a FF which one is drafted higher or has the better NBA
carreer. They're both gifted players.

Like argueing officiating calls this is an issue that cannot be resolved by
the net, so

GIVE IT A REST!!!

Teresa
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From: kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All Rookie Team?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:43:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Apr15.181841.26412@emr1.emr.ca> fernande@nova.ccrs.emr.ca (Nick Fernandes) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.223417.22895@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman) writes:
>>1991-1992 All Freshman Team
>>Name                          School                 Comments
>>Jalen Rose G                 Michigan            Almost lead Wolves to title
>>Lawrence Moten G             Syracuse            Big East POY in '92-93
>>Cherokee Parks C               Duke              Learned great deal behind C.L
>I don't think that Parks deserves a spot on the All Freshman team.  Granted
>he had to play in the shadow of Christian, but just because he showed
>potential does not warrant a position on this special team.  If your looking
>for a freshman center who had a better season I would go with Juwan Howard.
>I think he had better numbers and definitely played a bigger role in his 
>team's success.  If the actual positions aren't important then I would like
>to know if James Forrest deserves a spot.  Does anyone have comments/stats
>on his first season?  I do believe that Cherokee Parks could develop into
>a dominant player, but his first year's play didn't leave a big impression.



I don't think my original post (which agreed with your assessment of Parks)
got through, but I did want to respond to your question about James Forrest,
since I watched him all season.  I was really worried about him the first half
of the year.  He didn't seem to be able to find the basket!  I realized that
a lot of this came from playing an unfamiliar position, but I was afraid that
he wouldn't get it.  He did, though, in the second half, and he started playing
like the MAN he truly is.  (You realize that, though he's three inches shorter
than Mackey, he weighs more and he ISN'T FAT!)  I think that he most definitely
contributed greatly to the team's efforts late in the season and to their
arrival in the Sweet Sixteen (which was most unexpected).  He will be a big
force in the ACC in the next three years (if he stays another three;  we've
set a bad precedent around here lately!).  Sorry, I don't have stats.  Maybe
some other Jackets do?




 



-- 
Kenion, Kelly W.                             GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!
Georgia Institute of Technology           
Atlanta Georgia, 30332           
Internet: kk18@prism.gatech.edu
From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke : 1992 NCAA Men's Basketball Champs!
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:27:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

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Ah, yes.  To all the naysayers, the crybabies who whined that the refs did
them in, the people who said Duke didn't really have a good team...

YOU CAN TALK THE GAME BUT NONE OF YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME!!!

WOOF!  WOOF!  WOOF!  WOOF!

Excuse me all you civilized people on the net.  I was getting fed up of
seeing all the whining and barking coming from the Midwest.  I personally
thought the tournament was an extraordinarily exciting one and thought it was
fantastic how much new blood and old dynasties seem to have returned to
college hoops.  Next year should be great!

Eric Zorrilla
(Duke Alum '91)


3peat in 93!!!

An Open Invitation to the 2nd-64th best teams in the land to come to the
Duke Invitational.  See you there!



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy)
Subject: Re: Laettner should be suspended
Reply-To: picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:20:58 GMT

In article <1992Mar29.000824.1@amherst.edu>, jrglenn@amherst.edu writes:
> Given that UConn's Sellers was suspended for a game for a blatant foul and
> given that Laettner's stomping on the Kentucky player was equally blatant, I
> think it would be hypocritical of the NCAA not to suspend Laettner.  They
have
> plenty of time (1 week) to review the play.  But, since the NCAA probably
wants
> Duke to play in the final, I would bet my house that they do nothing about
> this.  
> 
> Laettner is an a*****e!
> 
> Anybody have any feelings about this?

You must not read this group much.  In the last week, it's been almost nothing
but feelings on this.  Forget it, it's over, the NCAA has ruled.

Dave Roy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: Joby Jerrells <jerrells@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:45:42 -0500

cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes:
> Is Pat Knight the son of Bobby?

No, actually, he is the son of Gladys Knight.  After trying to follow in his
mother's footsteps (and failing to become the new queen of Soul) young
Pat "Pips" Knight opted for basketball.  You must've missed the string of
postings earlier this year about the coaches who have their sons as players.
-- 
  Joby Jerrells                                     jerrells@ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ada@cauchy.math.mun.ca (Ada Cheng)
Subject: Re: WAS LAETTNER EVEN IN THE LAST 17 MINUTES LAST NIGHT???
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.184434.7210@ncsu.edu> bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie) writes:
>I heard you missed me, I'm back! :)
>
>Watching the Indiana-Duke game last night hopefully made all of us realize
>just how overrated Christian "Antichrist" Laettner is.  Although he 
>outplayed himself against Kentucky, he didn't even take a shot during
                                     ----------------------------------
>the last seventeen minutes against Indiana!  His NBA stock just went down,
 -------------------------------------------
So what's the big deal about that? He knows he hasn't been having a good
shooting night, so better off getting it to somebody else who have. You didn't 
see any hesitation in the Kentucky game,did you? The point is you don't have to 
score to be effective. 
>down, down...  as for Player of the Year?  What a joke!!!  He was thoroughly
>outplayed by the Indiana players on the board, and in terms of scoring.
>In spite of being charged with shitty fouls all game, Indiana still came back
>from a 9 point deficit, and had a chance to tie the game with seconds on the
>clock--twice!  HURLey had it stolen, then dribbled on the line, during the
>crucial last 30 seconds.  So much for playing well under pressure.  Well,
>we'll see Monday who rules when Michigan hands Duke the beating they so
>deserve.
>
>Go Michigan!!!
>
>GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Bennie (Avie's cousin)

Ada
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:35:06 GMT

"Sid Kitchel" <kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:

>>You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand why 
>>Thomas choose Illinois.  But you do have to be awake.

>	Personally, I would have held out for a BMW or Porsche. But
>Illinois bball players seem to have a thing for Broncos. Maybe they
>aren't rocket scientists either.

>						--Sid



That allegation of Illinos offering money or car to Deon Thomas was never
proven.  Note that the NCAA investigation went on for ONE whole year and
still couldn't prove anything, so they stuck Illinois on probation for minor
offenses.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 14:06:17 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason R Holdman) writes:
>	Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss.
>It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers! 
>
I don't remember hearing about the '89 Championship damage.  What is it
about the state of Michigan people?  Riot every time there is a 
championship?  Pistons riot was infamous too.
--
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From: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matt Flash Bouma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Big Ten Domination
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:23:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45766
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Originator: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu


	The Big Ten Dominates the college ranks.  Not only did they
send an unprecedented 5 teams to the tourney, they had two reach the
final four and Michigan(go blue!) reach the finals.  Almost every
team in the conference is young and only looking stronger for the
future, so don't be surprised when seven teams make it to the tourney
next year.  Watch out for Iowa during the regular season to cause 
havic to every team they play.  Unfortunately they most likely will
lose to some lowly teams too and make a quick exit from the tourney.
But alas, Michigan will once again rain the world when it takes
the championship.
				Flash.
From: hartigse@fe638.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: preseason top 10 - no order
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:54:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44467
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr7.154947.3185@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> pchu_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Captain Caveman) writes:
>Duke
>Michigan
>Indiana  
           <------ Kansas!!
>Kentucky 
>Ohio State
>Florida State
>North Carolina
>Arizona
>Southern Cal
>Seton Hall

_______________________________________________________

Scott E. Hartig
Purdue University Schools of Engineering
West Lafayette, IN


"The sum of the world's intelligence is a constant.....
                ....the population is growing"       

                        -H.L Mencken


GO HOOSIERS!!!!!

_____________________________________________________
From: kmill+@rchland.ibm.com (Kent Milligan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1987 Hawks & Moe
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:11:10 GMT
Reply-To: "Kent Milligan,603146 " <kmill@rchland.VNET.IBM.COM>


Jeff Moe was drafted and then cut by the Utah Jazz.  He currently lives
in my hometown of Sioux City, Iowa where he owns a couple of SUBWAY
franchises.  His basketball career now consists of Iowa Alum games & rec
leagues!

Kenton Milligan   DATABASE MANAGEMENT   IBM Rochester, MN
Local: kmill@rchland    Internet: kmill@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: "Lo" needs to "GO"!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:53:15 GMT

If someone needs to dis the #1 team in the nation (FOR TWO STRAIGHT YEARS) I 
guess that they are going to and we can't do a thing about it.  Let them be 
front runners if they want.

THE HYPEMAN
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rhh2h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Ron Henderson)
Subject: Re: Comments on Kentucky
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 01:09:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.133504.17552@hemlock.cray.com> kyle@cray.com (John Kyle) writes:
>> >
>> >   However, I do think that UK should have contested the in-bounds
>> >   pass to Laetner at the end.  They only needed to delay the pass by a
>> >   second or so.
>> >
>> Uh, okay. I'll ask a REAL stupid question. What would delaying the pass
>> by a second or so done for Ky.? A team now has 5 seconds to throw the
>> ball, not 5 for it to touch a player. From what I saw, a second or so
>> would have made NO difference...  Or do you mean a second or so 
>> "inflight"? Still can't see how this would have hurt, considering the
>> arm on Grant Hill...
>
>Well, that last shot is starting to get a little fuzzy in my mind, but I
>will try to dig deep for the answer.   By contesting the in-bounds pass,
>Kentucky may have been able to delay the play.  So that, for example,
>the buzzer would have sounded before Laetner got the shot off.  If I am
>not mistaken the in-bounds pass occurred with about 2 seconds on the 
>clock, and the shot went swish with about .6 seconds left.  If these 
>numbers are correct, UK would had to have delayed the play by roughly 1.5+ 
>seconds to prevent the shot.  So, I amend my previous comment from 
>"a second or so" to "1.5 seconds or so".  If the times I mentioned are not
>correct, then I concede. 
>
>--- John

I'm not trying to be a smart a**, but you do realize that the clock
does not start until a player on the floor touches the ball, don't you?

Contesting the inbounds pass would not cost Duke any time.  Laettner
would have the same two seconds as long as he was the first to touch the
ball.

--
Ron Henderson                Internet:  rhh2h@Virginia.EDU
EE PhD student               BITNET  :  rhh2h@VIRGINIA
THN C237                     UUCPNet :  ...!uunet!virginia!rhh2h
University of Virginia
From: gannon-t@sparc.ncsu.edu (Terry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... (and Re: Annoying NCState fans)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:28:29 GMT
Reply-To: gannon-t@sparc.ncsu.edu (Terry)
Organization: North Carolina State University SPARC Project

With such remarks as:
>Isn't there any way to get this idiot off the net?

and...

> and behold - a moron from the infamous South where men are illiterate and
>women like it....

and various other slurs towards this university, I can't help but to laugh.
You people still don't get it do you.  First of all, no one said you had
to read any of this, none of us forced you against your will to read any
of our articles.  Second of all, it's all a great big hoax, a plain and
simple joke, and none but a few of you got it.  It was just a couple of
frustrated basketball fans at the university taking out their aggressions
on the news-reader.  It's a joke, a farce, a parody.  All of our names
are the names of former Wolfpack players and coaches.  No one at this
university actually acts like that (well maybe a few do...).  Our intent
was just to annoy the rest of you (especially Duke fans).  God.....
you people lighten up a little....


Oh by the way.....


GO  
WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I BETTER NOT CATCH YOUR NASTY ASS ON CAMPUS OR I'LL WIPE IT OFF THE MAP!!!!!

Hahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhhahhahahahahahha......

Terry (no relation to Avie)
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who was Indiana's Mr. Basketball
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:09:57 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson



 Who won Illinois' Mr. Basketball??? thanks,

			gln

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Organization: bnr
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 22:32:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.133540.6358@ncsu.edu>, sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia) writes:
> 

> 
> Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the 
> history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).
> 
> Sanjeev
> 

Time-out!

I'll give you UNC ('82 Heels slightly better than '92 Duke, but '91 Duke
easily over '81 UNC) ...but there's no comparison between Duke and the 
'73-'74 State team. 

State was 57-1  
Duke lost at least 8 times.
[State also beat every opponent, only loss was to UCLA (with Walton), 
 avenged in the final four]

State was 34-0 in the ACC, with two titles. 
Duke lost at least 4 & only won one title. 
[NOTE:In '73 Maryland finished #8, UNC #11; In '74 Maryland was #4, UNC was #8
  UNC was probably top 10 last year but no one else was this year.]

Sure, Duke won two NCAA titles and State only won one - but hey they DID 
have a perfect season! You can't win if they won't let you play.
(Little remembered fact- Duke was also on probation for recruiting
   violations involving David Thompson)

If I were ranking the best ACC 2-year teams, it'd look like this:
  1. NCSU '73,'74
  2. Maryland '73,'74
  3. Duke '91, '92
  4. UNC '81, '82
  5. Virginia '81,'82

I should note my experience begins around '69 or '70 - nothing before
that counts.

Funny thing is I think I could take this list nationwide (excluding UCLA-
which two years do you pick?), by only adding three more teams:
  1 NCSU 73,74
  2 Indiana 75,76
  3 Maryland 73,74
  4 Duke 91,92
  5 Georgetown 84,85
  6 UNLV 90,91
  7 UNC 81,82
  8 Virginia 81,82


A NEW TREND- If you're in the ACC & want to win the NCAA, be sure to lose
to Wake Forest at least once. The last four such teams (UNC,NCSU 83,both Dukes)
have. Of course, Wake didn't beat State in '74, but they were the team that
ended the huge ACC win streak by beating them in the Big 4 tournament in '75.
From: x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Tournament Coverage
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:48:05 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Apr4.002159.1009@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
> 
> 	Is it just me or has CBS's coverage of the tourney has really  
> sucked or what?  It just doesn't compare to the job ESPN did with the  

  It's not you it's THEM. They suck. Most of their comments are just based
on things they know before the game, and from there they construct, instead of
the other way around; doing a horrible job.

  In the Michigan game they spent all the game criticizing Michigan's strategy
and impotence and, sooner than they could handle it, Michigan was leading and
had the game won.

  Those commentators are the typical ones that, instead of offering a realistic
view of the game, they just go w/the predicted winner in case they fail. In the
Indiana-Duke game they also showed the whole game trends towards Duke.
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: To the Virginia/Duke Fan
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University



 Just wait until football season.....

 Then N.C. State and Virginia will battle it out in wahooLAND.


delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


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From: 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:21:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr14.182129.6372

In article <s2im2INN5bd@agate.berkeley.edu>, cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes:
> 
>  Is Pat Knight the son of Bobby?
	Is this a serious question?
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:31:08 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.90036.8828@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) wrot> While we're dwelling in the realm of trivia, here's one for you.  Kentucky
> is the only team to win the NCAA, NIT, and Olympic titles in the same year.

How are you defining "same year"?  CCNY is the only school to win both the
NCAA and NIT in the same year.

And I'm real curious as to which year Kentucky won the Olympics.

--
____________________________
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	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne "Goober" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: It didn't take long...
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:16:16 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <2299@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
--[...]                Duke's certainly not perfect, but our basketball
--program has made us proud yet again.  [...]

Ahh yes.  Pride.

Is Saddam Hussain proud of his country?
Is Kaddafy proud of his country?
Was that guy with the funny little mustache proud of his country?
Was Stalin proud of his country?
Were the Japanese proud of their country during WWII?
Is David Duke proud of his heritage?

- gary (pride in the name of love) smith



-- 
Racism Sucks!
From: 6500s931@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Huggy Bear)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Harrington signs with LSU
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:18:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr10.202139.28233@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:



>Hey! Hows the old ticker?

Whew!  that did give me a start.

>Please let me know when the above happens. 

HOPEFULLY NEVER!
From: currie@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Bogus Accounts
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:50:42 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Apr3.214308.16527@ncsu.edu> root@fire.ncsu.edu (System Priv Account) writes:
>
several lines deleted

>At your service, 
>
>Marcus Anderson  

Hmmmm......is that Marcus as in Marcus Liberty and Anderson as in Nick
Anderson?                                          

What a coincidence that Avie gets terminated by someone who's name
has definite Illini connections.

Hmmmm......I wonder if Avie is/was smart enough to dream up a little
hoax.