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From: kcumming@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (kcumming)
Subject: equine dentists
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:39:13 GMT

My equine dentist is also very reasonable.  He spends about 1/2 hr. per
hors too, for an average horse.  This costs $25.  I think he charges and
extra $10 per 1/2 hr.  The dentist (not my regular one) that cut 'Ski's'
teeth I think charge $60 for that.  I consider these prices *VERY*
reasonable, especially when my vet charges $40+ to float and, though I
consider my vet to be an excellent vet, I think, like many vets, he
doesn't know how, or care to really do a horse's teeth properly (though
99.9% of vets will get very upset when you mention equine dentists -
they consider them to be practicing medicine without a license - which
is legally true since floating is considered a medical procedure.)

For those in NY - my equine dentist is :  Doug Smith from Morrisville,
near Syracuse (sorry, don't have his number with me.)  D.S. is excellent
at floating, he teaches in the Equine Science program at SUNY Ag+Tech
College at Morrisville.

The dentist that cut 'Ski's' teeth is Steve Richards from Hamilton, NY
(also near Syracuse).  I have been to one of his lectures and seen him
work when he did Ski's teeth.  I think he is excellent also.  He's
nationally known, I understand.

D.S. can be reached at Morrisville College, and Steve Richards number is
listed in most of the regional horse publications in NY.

Kitty Cummings
Kit-Mar Appaloosas
Ritter Hof German Shepherds
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: mechanical hackamores
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:43:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In Article 8258 dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:

>>>>Tracy writes:
		{stuff deleted}
>>>> I applaud the communication comment.  But if you are communicating so
>>>> well then why are (were) you using a mechanical hackamore only in competition??
>>>> My thought is you should be able to compete well in whatever you use
>>>> to school at home and if you can't then something is wrong with your
>>>> schooling or communications.
		{more stuff deleted} 
>>>	This is true of most competitive riding events, but not in
>>>	performance 'speed' events. A competitor riding barrels on 
		{more stuff deleted}
>> 	Back when I was barrel racing my first horse, we rode in whatever 
>> I happened to be using on the trail at the moment.  At different times
>> that meant a mild Western curb bit, a mechanical hackamore, and a
>>bosal.  I noticed no difference in my mare's performance based on
>> any of those head gear choices and we cleaned up on the local barrel
>> races I entered (which was limited to those I could ride her to as
>> I didn't have a trailer nor did I know anyone with a trailer).  
		{more stuff deleted}
> 	Tracy, I wasn't referring to the local level. You are correct,
>	the headgear used at the local level is very different from that
>	used at the national/pro level.
		{stuff deleted}

	WHOA! Hold it there, partner! Before you go attacking someone 
personally about whether their local races were run the same way
national level races were done, we could get into some BIG ARGUMENTS
about this.  Many national level competitors came from the Tucson, AZ 
area and I probably raced against them in the early 1970's which was
when I was racing.  Don't go making assumptions about my level of
competition just because I couldn't travel! 

>> My point here is that many things are said to be true because that is
>> what people are doing now.  So and so wins a big purse and they school
>> in a snaffle and race in a curb bit and everyone thinks that must be
>> the right way to do it.  
		{more stuff deleted}
>> Certainly eventers try to use the same head gear, though it differs
>> depending on which section of the event they are doing, and that is most
>> assuredly a 'speed' performance event.  
>> 				Tracy and everybody

>	I believe the words I used regarding people changing headgear
>	were 'normally' and 'common practice'. I am merely reporting what
>	I have observed from attending/running in several national events
		{more stuff deleted}

	In the words of Ben Bradley, former editor of the Washington Post,
"We stand by our story."

															Tracy and everybody
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Hunt Seat Hand position
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:17:29 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


I need some assistance from some of you 'hunt seat' people out there.

I was always told by my instructors that the proper position for the
hands is with the wrist straight, having a straight line through forearm,
wrist, hands, reins to the horses mouth.  The hand is to be with thumb
on top, not 'cocked' or bent.   Currently, lots of the people around here
are showing in hunt classes with their hands in the 'doggie paw' position,
very low on the withers.  These people seem to be winning.  Since I am
helping my girl friend's daughters with their riding, I was telling them
to ride the way I have been trained.  Is this just a local thing?  Should
I change my technique?


Sue
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Pulley reins  WAS Hunt Seat Hand position
Date: 18 Aug 1992 23:15:36 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <Bt6o4M.1C6@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale) writes:

 >high-hand position was, in my experience, essential in controlling
 >an excited, high-headed jumper.  It is the only way to do a "pulley-rein",
 >one of the essential skills in riding the horses I had available
 >at the time.

Could someone explain what a pulley rein is, how you do it, and d
when it should be used?  I thought I understood what it was, but
with all the recent discussion here, now I'm no longer sure I
understand.  I had a horse bolt twice on me the other day, and I think
I might have some immediate use for the technique!  This is a 
Thoroughbred off the track (when will I learn?) that I'm going
to try for a month as a potential half-lease.  We cantered over
a fence and he took off on the other side for no apparent reason twice
in a row.
He's never done this with his owner before or since, and he had
been quiet up to that point.  We then trotted him over some
cavaletti and then tried it again and he was fine.  So I guess
something spooked him, and he just would not listen to my hands.
Temporary insanity?

Thanks,
Sarah Pallas

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From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: Hackamores  (I'm posting this for Jodie Gilmore)
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:46:22 GMT


Keywords
> 
> (an aside--I am amazed that Olympic people can use mechanical hackamores
> in show jumping. I am sure that if I had showed up at a jumping show
> in WA when I was showing, I would have been disqualified for inappropriate
> equipment!)
 
> 
> --
> Jodie Gilmore
> sasjmg@unx.sas.com

If you look at the AHSA rule book, hackamores (mechanical or jumping) are
perfectly legitimate to use in the jumper ring.  There are very few tack
restrictions on jumpers.  Hunters are another matter.  Hunters may not use
closed nosebands (figure eight, flash, or dropped noseband), running martingales, hackamores, or draw reins.  The only equipment a hunter is allowed to wear in
the ring is a bridle (with regular cavesson), saddle, breast collar, and standing martingale (only allowed in classes over fences--not in under saddle classes).  Almost anything goes in jumpers.  The only exception is that standing martingales are not allowed in FEI competition--running martingales are OK there.  I don't believe draw reins are allowed either in FEI shows, but I'm not 100% sure about that.  

Diane
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Linda M Garrett)
Subject: Re: Hunt Seat Hand position
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:20:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.230633.23944@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.121729.3423@desire.wright.edu>,
>sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>I was always told by my instructors that the proper position for the
>>hands is with the wrist straight, having a straight line through forearm,
>>wrist, hands, reins to the horses mouth.  The hand is to be with thumb
>>on top, not 'cocked' or bent.   Currently, lots of the people around here
>>are showing in hunt classes with their hands in the 'doggie paw' position,
>>very low on the withers.  These people seem to be winning.  Since I am
>>helping my girl friend's daughters with their riding, I was telling them
>>to ride the way I have been trained.  Is this just a local thing?  Should
>>I change my technique?
>
I have been taught the way you are discribing.  What my riding
instructor told me was that with thumbs up you can have contact with
the mouth for half-halts etc. by just bending your wrist.  If you have
puppy dog hands you must move your arms.  Try doing a half-halt both
ways and you'll see what I mean.

Linda
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Help.. trying to find a horsy friend!!
Keywords: Help!! Washington State.. Mercer Island... Sarah Mack
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:37:35 GMT

 I'm trying to track down someone who was my best friend when I lived in Washington for 2 years (1982-84).
 I'm hoping.. because she and I used to ride and play with our Breyer horses that Someone might know her.
 Her name is Sarah Mack, she lived on mercer Island, washington state she went to school at Island Park elementary and I lost touch with her while she was still at that school...

 If you do know her.. could someone mail me her address Pul-ease!

 many thanks

 Amanda MacKinnell
 Christy        
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From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: re: schooling vs. competition (was: mechanical hackamores
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:30:57 GMT

>the eventers I have talked to here do that.  You raise some interesting
>questions perhaps some others on the group would like to comment also.
>
>                                        Tracy and everybody


I'm not going to comment on anything having to do with bits for
quite a while!! :->

But yesterday when I was going home from work I remembered something
that might make people smile (or moan in sympathy!). I used to work
at a racing stable in England, where you can believe it, some of the
horses were little monsters.  At home, the really cantankerous ones
went in god-only-knows-what bit, but at the races, they almost
without exception ran in lightweight, hollow-mouthed snaffles.  The
hilarious thing was watching the poor jockeys SWINGING off these
horses, like tails on a kite, trying to get the buggers to canter
SLOWLY to the post. And then, when they came back, huffing and
puffing, they'd say to the boss, "Lor, guv'ner, he don't half take a
pull!" And the "guv'ner" would always look up at them with mock
astonishment on his face, and say, "Really, ____, he's an angel at
home."

What a way to make a living! Thank you, I'll stay here and go trail
riding....

-gwyn
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From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
Keywords: leather saddles ve synthetic
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:49:21 GMT

I don't have any personal experience with synthetic saddles. But in recent
years, quite a few of them have appeared in the local hunt club. Every  time
I see a new convert, I ask him/her about the saddle. They all rave about
them ... I've never heard any complaints from a synthetic owner. I think
all the ones I've seen in the hunt field have been Wintec.
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:40:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Aug19.064030.3598
Organization: Wright State University

In article <memo.583496@cix.compulink.co.uk>, alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman) writes:
> In-Reply-To: <1992Aug18.123430.3566@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.e-
> du
>  
>> I have a Thorogood with the adjustable tree.  I really like it, it fits 
> 
> Persoanl opinion strikes again! Trever (17hh TB), I sometimes ride,
> has a Thorogood saddle and I HATE it!

What do you hate about the saddle?  The fit?  The balance?  It really must
be mostly personal style and perhaps how it fits your body.  A friend of
mine has a Wintec and she absolutely hates the narrow twist of the seat.

Sue

> 
>>
>> Sue
> 
> Alan.
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: First Horse
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:19:26 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <EeZHSyq00WBLM3unUY@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I just purchased a 1 1/2 registered quarter horse, Touch of Elegance,

Is this 1 1/2 years?  

> Ellie for short, for my daughter.   She has a very bad habit of
> rearing and we have started using the chain around her upper nose
> attached to the lead rope.  Is there any other options available.  I

I would definitely turn this horse over to a good trainer.  If not, you
stand a very good chance of getting injured.  


> realize we will have a lot of work to do with her, but she really is
> spoiled and also kicks alot.  I got it in the stomach the other night
> after she had reared at the sight of the killer wheelbarrow and then 
> turned and kicked me (I don't think she was aiming for me, just a
> lucky shot).  Thanks in advance.

Just a shot in the dark, but is she from Impressive bloodlines?  The mare
I had that was an Impressive granddaughter would kick like a fiend.  

Also, no offence, but how old is your daughter?  How much horse experience
do you (and her) have?  This horse sounds definitely dangerous, no kind of
a horse for a child.  I have a rule I always go by.  *It costs the same
to feed a good horse as it does a bad one.*  I don't keep the bad ones.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Subject: Re: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
    <1992Aug21.010135.1472@mr.med.ge.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:31:39 GMT

Horses' reactions to dogs can sometimes be quite interesting. I remember once
when my parents' sheep flock was attacked by dogs. One of the horses chased
the dogs away, and then stood in the gate to make sure they didn't come back.
My younger TB frequently chases my dogs out of the pasture. But he's also
quite curious, and has to check out everything unfamiliar. Sometime ago, I
had a dog who was terminally ill, and losing strength. She still like to 
follow me around, but used no more energy than necessary. One day we were
out in the pasture, and the dog was lying down. The horse came up to check
her out. I guess he wasn't sure what she was, because he wasn't used to 
seeing dogs lying down immobile. He very carefully sniffed her from head to
toe. She looked rather apprehensive about this, but apparently didn't want
to make the effort to get up unless she had to. So she just lay there, being
sniffed. He finally decided her collar was the closest thing he could find
to a handle, and picked her up off the ground. At this point, she started to
look real frightened, so I intervened, and he put her down and she slunk away.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Subject: Strong in stadium
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:53:29 GMT

I wonder if Liza (hope I have the right person, I misplaced the post)
horse is stronger in stadium at Horse Trials that have the stadium
phase before the cross country.  She mentioned that he had a lot
of mileage at Prelim and above(?) so he may have a strong anticiption
of the cross-country phase.  Many horses seem to be calmer if stadium
is the day after cross country, even if they are very fit.  A horse
that has been evented a lot almost always KNOWS what's going on!

Questions of bitting aside, if anticipation of the thrill of cross
country seems to be a factor, doing some combined tests or jumper
shows may help to keep him from being so sure he knows what comes
next.

  Debbie
  deblev@ipac.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: vls@cube.handheld.com (Vern Stant)
Subject: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses - CO2 pistol?
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:21:38 GMT

> Just as we approached the highway, a frisky pinto mare and a 
> dusky pony came bounding across the yard of the house...
> KICKED MY MARE.  Meanwhile the pony was kicking my wife's mare.

I may be "flame bating" here, but I have had a horse kick my horse
and I have had dogs try to bite him. So far, he has been very good
but a girl I know has a knee brace because a dog bit her horse.
The horse tossed its head and she lost the reigns. The dog (she
said this is true..) got the reigns and the horse freaked. She
tried her emergency dismount but ripped the tendons in a knee.
I personally feel helpless in this situation and bought a CO2
pistol. It makes more noise than I thought it would so I guess
I'll have to desensitize George, but I gotta do something. I
love horses and dogs but... Any thoughts?
--
Vern Stant              | The opinions expressed herein are
Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 
804.784.3090 voice      | Held Products, Inc., and may not 
804.784.3147 FAX        | even be mine. Use at your own risk
From: jamesf@myranch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Ferris x34041)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: 1992 Tevis Cup
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:41:43 GMT
Reply-To: jamesf@myranch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: myranch.ebay.sun.com

I was asked to post the results of the 1992 Tevis Cup.  I do not have the complete
list but I will get it tonight and post the top 10 tomorrow.

Here is what I do know:

First place was a tie between:

Marcia Smith DVM from Loomis CA riding Harry
and
Shellie Hatfield from Corning riding AM Xanthium owned by Bazey Tankersley and
Courtney Hart.

These two ladies left the final vet check 6 miles from the finish together, but,
out of care for their horses, they decided not to race but instead cross the finish
line together.  They crossed together, but, the officials at the finish line awarded
first place to Harry, as his foot crossed the line first.  However, at final awards
the Western States Trail organization decided to allow the tie the riders wanted.
They were at least 30 minutes ahead of the next rider at the finish despite not racing.
This was a wonderful example of sportsmanship/horsemanship that I hope will not go
unnoticed by the rest of the horse competitive world.

Marcia Smith and Harry also won the Hagen (sp?) Cup (best condition).

The following riders I know were in the top 10:

Potato Richardson (4th)
Debbie Lyons
Julian Buxston

211 horses started and 104 finished.  The winners finished about 10:45pm Saturday.

The weather was very warm and humid as it had rained the night before.

Jim Ferris
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington)
Subject: riding without a girth?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: 1st Kentucky Cavalry Co. C
Date: 18 Aug 1992 11:04 EST  

We stopped by our sargent' barn the other day for a visit (good thing we 
did since one of thier horses had fallen in the aisle and could not get up, 
but that's another long story).  During our efforts to help the horse 
theere was a lesson going on in the arena and the student was riding the 
horse (hunt seat) without a girth.  Is this a normal teaching practice?

BTW; we finnaly got the mare up (we had to drag/help her into the arena and 
flip her over on her strong side (she has a nerve disorder that effects her 
left hind so we had to get her right hind under her so she could get up)

E. Allen Arrington  
        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
and Mason (who's going back to the vet on Friday)
From: Jo.A.Steele@dartmouth.edu (Jo A. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:57:34 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

>THEY DIDN'T HAVE HALTERS.  Well, I suppose we could have made emergency halters out of lead ropes. 

Peter, sounds like lots of Fun, I've had horses follow me home, before,
but thank god only when I was riding...especially since I usually drive
alone!  Just a question for you own safety when you go out driving. 
Do't you normally carry a halter and lead rope with your spares kit? 
I've found that I've actually used them when out driving when something
went wrong and I had to unhitch, they come in very handy!  

Glad you made it through safely and its just another driving story
under your belt.

Jo Steele
Dartmouth College
From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:24:37 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


I was wondering if anyone out there has seen a similar skin condition on their
horse as Bliss is now exhibiting. 

Within the past three weeks, my 4.5 yo Appendix horse has developed what appears
to be some kind of a flaking skin condition.  The areas affected are on his neck
and down to his chest.  They are generally smallish patches (about 4-5 cm in 
diameter) and are characterized by a gray flaking on top of the coat.  There is
no evidence of irritation of the skin, as far as I can tell.  When I try and curry
it off (because I at first thought it to be something that he got into when turned
out, like spider webs or a fungus), the large flakes disappear, but more comes up
from under his coat.  When I wash him down (as I have to do after every ride here
in tropical Houston), I can't wash it off.  I've tried some mild shampoos, and at
first it appears to work, but when when he dries off, it's evident again.

Some possibilities I've thought of: sunburn (but so localized?), irritation in 
response to the fly spray (again, very localized, and I've been using the same fly spray for quite awhile), fungus (possible down here, but it isn't like any other fungus I've seen), or excema (do horses get this?).  Does anyone have advice about
what this might be, what to try next or where to look for possible solutions?  I'd
really appreciate it!  Other than that, my wonder horse is jumping 3'6" without a 
hitch (with the trainer, not me!).

Jill Helms
jhelms@cephalo.bcm.tmc.edu
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:34:30 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <sysmatt.714127761@aix3090b.uky.edu>, sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson) writes:
> I don't have any personal experience with synthetic saddles. But in recent
> years, quite a few of them have appeared in the local hunt club. Every  time
> I see a new convert, I ask him/her about the saddle. They all rave about
> them ... I've never heard any complaints from a synthetic owner. I think
> all the ones I've seen in the hunt field have been Wintec.

I have a Thorogood with the adjustable tree.  I really like it, it fits 
ALL my horses, something that otherwise is impossible.  And the seat is
a good fit for my bottom.  I'm on the large size and I got the 18 inch
seat.  My friend's daughter also uses it to show in and she is doing just
fine with it.

Sue
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