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From: wvhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne)
Subject: Re: The Occult Techology of Power
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:13:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.215955.3199@StarConn.com> rburns@StarConn.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:

>Quotes from Occult Technology of Power:
>1974 Loompanics Press

[ a lot deleted ]

>Page 23
>"Professor B. on the Function of  Central Bank in the Mature Capitalist
> System".

[ more deleted ]

>Further, the periodic cycles of easy money and tight 
>money that we initiate through our control of the Central
>Bank cause corresponding fluctuations in all markets. Our 
>inner circle knows in advance the timing of these cycles and,
>therefore reaps windfall profits by speculating in commodity,
>stock,currency, gold, and bond markets. Monopolistic stock 
>and commodity Exchanges are a vital adjunct to our power
>mad possible by our Central Bank power. We do not allow a 
>fair auction market to exist, but make a great show of 
>"tough" government regulation to create a false sense of 
>confindence among small investors. With the aid of our regula-
>tory charade and financial power we are able to manipulate 
>stock prices at the expense of independent investors.

This view of "insiders" making huge profits at the expense of individual
investors is so widespread that I have to point out that *every* study done
on the performance of individuals vs. professionals in the stock market shows
the individual outperforms the pro year after year.  This tendency is less
pronounced in the commodity markets, which are tough (psychologically) for
the individual, but is still there.  

---Bill VanHorne

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From: mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mark andrew fenster)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Conspiracy books
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:40:49 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


Brad Pierce writes:

>Are any of these books worth reading?
>
>    _Architects of conspiracy : an intriguing history_ by William P.
>    Hoar, (Boston : Western Islands), 1984.

Don't know this one; publisher would make me skeptical, though;
they also did a number of Gary Allen's (of None Dare Call It
Conspiracy fame) books.

>
>    _Architects of fear : conspiracy theories and paranoia in American
>    politics_ by George Johnson, (Los Angeles : J.P. Tarcher), 1983.

Generally a decent "rationalist" response to conspiracy theory
from a center-liberal position (as far as that goes), with a lot 
of secondary sources.
A great gift idea for Chip Berlet and Ted Frank fans.
>
>    _Conspiracies, cover-ups, and crimes : political manipulation and
>    mind control in America_  by Jonathan Vankin, (New York : Paragon
>    House), 1991.

New Journalism meets conspiracy theory.  Lots of profiles of c.t.
celebs; final section tries to piece together some of the major
conspiracy theories.  Saw Vankin at a convention in Atlanta a few
months back and was unimpressed; apparently the hardcover
edition (it just got released in paper) was published by a Moonie
front (hence the no Moonies that someone noted on another post).
There was a discussion of this either on this group or on
the fnord listserv list a month or so ago.

As to Hofstader's _Paranoid Style_, he's fine if you believe in
his rather centrist assumptions about the triumph of American
democracy; if you don't think the U.S. is as wonderful and capable 
of self-regulation and -reform as centrist academics of the
immediate post-war era (and we should cut him some slack ---
had he written the main essay in the book during the post-JFK, 
post-Vietnam, post-Watergate era, he may have come to some 
different conclusions), you'll be disappointed.  I certainly 
would agree with much of his critique of the demogagy of the far 
right; I have my doubts about simply dismissing paranoia about 
the government out of hand.


Mark Fenster
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From: FRARALH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: U.S. & Iraq
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:00:04 EST

In article <schoinas.728174823@cs.wisc.edu>
schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
 
>
>Mason.L.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Mason L. Allen) writes:
>
>
>>In article <schoinas.727503335@cs.wisc.edu>
>>schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
>
>>> His claim on Kuwait was a pretty good one, considering the
>>>     artificial creation of most of the arabic countries. Nothing
>>>     really to do with Hitler's claims. I am not saying that a
>>>     panarabic union is politically viable.
>
>>this is like my tenth reply or something to this debate,
>
>>You seem to have a good grasp of history, Yannis (I respect that).
>>True, with the exception of Egypt, virtually every Middle Eastern state
>>which exists now is an "artificial state" created by the withdrawal of
>>the French & British Empires.  Historically, there is NO DIFFERENSE
>>between the people of Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, the
>>Palestinians, and whatever.  Before 1917 - 1946, they were ALL
>>provinces in Empires.  Before the Europeans, they were in the Ottoman
>>Empire.  There was NEVER an Iraq or a Kuwait as we now know them.  BUT,
>>historically, Kuwait and Iraq were distinct provinces for centuries
>>-since before the Turks, kept separate w/ different regional
>>governments, diff. trading areas, etc.  That is exactly what happend in
>>Europe w/ Hitler.  The states he conquered were nothing more than the
>>remenants of provinces of the Russian, Polish-Lithuanian, and Hapsburg
>>Empires.  There was never a Poland like this is today.  What was
>>Czechoslovakia but a UNION OF WEST SLAVS???  But, I digress...
>
>Well, it seems that we don't disagree. But if you take a few centuries
>back, you will notice that France, Germany, Spain, Italy... were a
>conglomerate of people and traditions of much less uniformity than today's
>middle eastern arabic countries. Not that I am not talking about the african
>arabic countries or even Syria. Just the Arabian peninsula and Messopotamia.
>Sure, some countries in the area have a long history but so did Acquitaine[sp?]
>and Burgundy in France. Following the same logic more than 200 petty states in
>Europe could have been easily created. In fact, they were created.
>
>						 Bye,
>						Yannis.
 
Unfortunately, Kuwait has a history unlike any of the other Gulf states.  Prior
to the late 19th century, the area now known as Kuwait was uninhabited and
technically under Ottoman control.  The Kuwaitis were a nomadic tribe, not
under Ottoman rule.  They settled in Kuwait and elected the al-Sabah family to
 royalty.  They were not part of the Ottoman empire.  Kuwait became a British
 protectorate well _before_ World War I brought an end to the Ottoman empire.
In fact, before the turn of the century.
       Thus there was a Kuwait as we know it long before there was an Iraq.  As
 far as being artificial countries, there are no countries more artificial than
 Canada or the US.
 
                                       R France
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Report on Gritz from Idaho
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:20:50 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1299600161@igc.apc.org>, dyurman@igc.apc.org (Dan Yurman) writes:
> 
[delete Chip Berlet contributions and related rehash of such propaganda]
>  
> by the Idaho Falls Post-Register.  The editorial is significant
> because it identifies the code words used by Gritz and his
> supporters for their anti-semitic views.  These code words are
> attacks on the "new world order" and on the "power" of the
> Federal Reserve System.
>  
More code words.  By all means let's drill into the American people that
to speak out against the "New World Order" and the corrupt internationalists
behind this movement or to object to the Federal Reserve System which is
the mainstay of our crumbling economic system means that one is by
definition some type of political weirdo...most likely neo-Nazi.  If one
understood that the shaping up of the new international order smells of
fascism in its most virulent form and that Federal Reserve is really
code for economic tyranny, then acceptance of these "code words" might
not be automatic regardless of what politician's mouth delivers them.

-Joe Gaut
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From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Anti-Zionism
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:27:53 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department


  "However, since anti-Semitism was associated with the defeated and
   discredited Third Reich and was officially frowned upon by the
   Soviet system, the Russians and, after them, the Poles and their
   other satellites introduced a new cover-term for their anti-Jewish
   stance: it was not anti-Semitism, but 'anti-Zionism.' Couched in the
   language of opposition to Zionism, anti-Semitism became, as Daniel
   Patrick Moynihan put it, 'the preferred vehicle of the Soviet Union
   and its clients in international forums for political assault
   against the democratic nations - most obviously Israel, but
   ultimately all the West, and especially the United States.'"

                 -- Raphael Patai and Jennifer Patai


[Source: Raphael Patai and Jennifer Patai, _The Myth of the Jewish
Race_, Revised Edition, (Wayne State University Press, Detroit),
1989; pages 178-179.]
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From: swo6176@zeus.tamu.edu (ODONNELL, SEAN WILLIAM JR.)
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Subject: Re: REVERSING THE SCALES OF INJUSTICE: If Iraq Occupied the
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:06 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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>> Just curious how do you feel the UN should have acted when the USA 
>> Ignored a world court ruling that The Sandanista government of 
>> Nicaragua brought against it, 

>You have to understand, throughout history, organizations such as the
>World Court & the United Nations have only been as strong as the
>nations which lead them.  Don't think these two are the first - ever
>here of the Leauge of Nations, the Benelux treaties, or the Leauge of
>Augsburg (or, for that matter, the Justice Leauge America??)  What
>matters is not the court ruling, but the actions of Kuwait.  
>limit the use of gas and to explore alt. sources of energy.  If the


Hmm, I can't seem to master this editor... OH well...

For your information, there is no World Court.  There is a World Bank,
but not World Court.  The closest thing to a World Court is the
International Court of Justice (or ICJ) whose only duty is to advise the
General Assembly and similar bodies of the United Nations on the legality
of its actions under the Charter of the United Nations and subsequent
charters, resolutions, declarations, etc.  It is not within this bodies
(body's I should say) jurisdiction to rule on such a case as the US v.
Nicaragua.  As far as the Iraq case goes, the main issue is the United 
Nations right to impede on the sovereignty of the nation of Iraq, which is
explicitly denied the UN under the Charter.  But it does allow such actions
when there is a threat to international (I stress international) peace.
This makes the Iraq excursion legal, whereas the Somalia issue is, to be
honest, illegal under current international law.

You may be saying, "Sure the ICJ has power over the rest of the nation." 
Sorry, it doesn't.  The only body, under international law (which is a
quagmire and quandry as it is), that can impose on the sovereignty of
other nations occasionally and is always binding (no other body in the
UN is binding) is the Security Council.  Otherwise, all UN resolutions
are non-binding and wishful.

Sean O'Donnell
Secretary General, Texas A&M Model United Nations
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: JFK and Iraq
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:26:41 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <C1ADwr.GFJ@cs.dal.ca>, andromed@Hail.ATM.Dal.Ca (Mike Boschat) writes:
> my 2 cents worth..if President John F.Kennedy was around he would know
> what to do with Iraq...and not just slap them on the wrist, he would have
> gone all the way, and captured saddam to stand trial for war crimes.
> I think if Pres.Clinton was smart as he knelt by JFKs grave he would have
> had time to reflect on JFKs policy...." let the word go forth from this
> time and place..to friend and foe alike..."
> thank  you..                 
> 
>                                         Clear skies
> 
>                                         Mike Boschat
> 
Although I certainly concur in the obvious respect you have for President
Kennedy, I suspect that Kennedy philosophy at the helm would not have led
to such a war in the middle-east.  For some in-depth insights from a true
insider, you might want to invest some worthwhile time in browsing
through L. Fletcher Prouty's recent book on JFK and Vietnam entitled
"JFK:...".  The scope of the book goes far beyond the problems encountered
in Vietnam and into the core of the dynamics of American foreign policy
and the attempts by Kennedy to make needful change.

-Joe Gaut
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From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Rush the Entertainer; Congress equally Entertaining
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:46:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <C17rpI.GFJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>Here's the situation.  Rush is an ENTERTAINER first and foremost.  He is
>not a journalist, reporter, or Geraldo Rivera.  He can do anything he wants
>to keep the show moving and interesting.  He has no obligation to let
>anyone say anything!  He openly admits this, and callers therefore have
>no excuse for not knowing this when they call.  

I'm not surprised Limbaugh couches his politics as entertainment. Other
evil GOP creeps have been doing this for years. People like Hatch, Specter,
Helms ... they're worth laughing at, but unfortunately ignorant dupes fail
to realize that they are just kidding, and subsequently act where the
entertainer merely mentions.

Dan
deherrin@ucdavis.edu
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From: crosby@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Crosby)
Subject: Re: BOOK: "The Insiders" - part 3 of 4
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:43:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan17.062428.6359@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1j2b9rINNpfl@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
>>If you took the time to do some reasearch, you would find that CLINTON
>>IS A MEMBER OF THE TLC & CFR.  This is a public fact.
>
>If a nobody from Arkansas can get himself into the TLC and CFR, it's
>hardly an organization of insiders, is it?
>
Besides,
a)  He only joined recently
and
b)  He never goes to meetings
(According to the Economist, anyway)

-- 
-Matt
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the net!
mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu    -or-    crosby@cs.colorado.edu
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From: rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.slack,alt.flack
Subject: Book recommendations was re:foucault
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:30:02 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner) recommends these books:

>Holy Blood, Holy Grail
>and
>Foucault's Pendulum, by Umberto Eco

>These are fascinating books. The first is supposed to be non-fiction,
>but who can tell (it was written in part by a Frenchman after all).
>The second is fiction but is outstanding. Umberto Eco (or his
>translator) is el primo.

Yeah, those crazy Frenchmen, always making things up...this is sarcasm, btw.

As for Foucault's Pendulum, it's okay, but Robert Anton Wilson wrote
it much better ten years before as MASKS OF THE ILLUMINATI.  It's shorter,
better paced, less turgid and the characters are much more compelling--
of course, they are also Albert Einstein, James Joyce, and Al Crowley.

Ron Hogan
lee harvey oswald died for your sins

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From: Mason.L.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Mason L. Allen)
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Subject: Re: REVERSING THE SCALES OF INJUSTICE: If Iraq Occupied the
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:13:42 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1993Jan21.024209.11223@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:

> >hear of the Leauge of Nations, the Benelux treaties, or the Leauge of
> >Augsburg (or, for that matter, the Justice Leauge America??)  What
> [further boring blathering about Iraq mixed in with a little antisemitism]
> 
> I am curious again it seems obvious to me that if the US want the world
> to be a more peaceful place and is truly interested in the strengthening
> of international law and orders then what better way to set an example than
> to abide by international law and follow ALL world court rulings
> and conduct a foreign policy that NEVER breaks international law?
> I think it would be a very good thing and It seems like the obvious thing 
> for the US to do if it really is serious about being the "good guy" in 
> international affairs. Following the golden rule of "do onto others as
> you would have them do onto you seems to apply here. I really see this as
> having nothing but positive rammifications. Leading by example is the most
> noble way to lead of all. I know that in the past large nations have
> subverted international organisations but what is wrong with progress
> and striking out in a new direction? I think it would be a fine thing to 
> write International law into US law making it impossible for future
> US governments to EVER break international law.

Once again, my point is that the US does not have to abide by any
international law and it is not in its interest to do so. 
International law as a rule is not controlled by set standards or 
violations.  Its is a fieldwork of diplomacy - often, the Gen. Assembly
of the UN will pass resolutions against all of the major western
powers, which are ignored because nobody in the GA has the power to
back them up.  The US simply takes care of its own interests - when it
is convienant to help others, as in Somalia, for ex., it will.  
Notice how everyone is complaining about the US going outside of the UN
against Iraq recently.  Does anyone remember when Hussein held UN
observors at gunpoint a few months back?  

m.
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From: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Subject: Re: Masons
Reply-To: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:03:08 GMT


Sorry, Phil, if I offended you with the "looney" remark. 

The only people I've heard make ridiculous accusations about the 
masons in the USA have been fairly looney televangelists....who 
make similar accusations about the RC church. (y'know, finding 
666 on the pope's hat...that kinda thing...)

JZ
From: 00vmszopa@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Incident near CIA
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:19:32 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


This just in:	   "GUNMAN KILLS 2 NEAR C.I.A. ENTRANCE"
		   (paraphrased from _The New York Times_, January 26, 1993.
		    article by B. Drummond Ayres, Jr.)

On January 25th (Monday) two people were killed and three wounded by a 
rifle-carrying gunman outside the C.I.A.'s McLean, Virginia headquarters.
The man opened fire on a line of cars outside the main gate, hitting several
cars and then escaping in a station wagon.  Officials have not ruled out
any possiblities in the investigation.  Senator Robert C. Smith (NH) was only
50 feet away from the gunman, and reported the man "coolly and methodically,
with no emotion, no expression and no words, simply fired at point-blank
range into the windows, at these people."  Contradictory claims by other
eyewitnesses, however, say that the man was firing wildly, "like he wanted 
to kill," and indicate that this was a random incident. 

The C.I.A. announced that all of the dead and wounded were either full-time
or contract employees of the agency.  

It's a tragedy.  Was it a conspiracy?  I hope more news is coming...

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00vmszopa@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu                            Vinney Szopa
Ball State University		Muncie, IN			USA
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From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Conspiracy books
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:32:00 GMT
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Jan 26 19:32:00 1993


The Hoar book is the basic John Birch Society conspiracy theory. Western
Islands is the Birch imprint. Hoar is a regular contributor to Birch publications, and having read both the book and his articles, I can give my opinion that
Hoar peddles a standard lunatic conspiracy theory with much assumption and little fact.

George Johnson, a reporter for the New York Times, wrote the book Architects
of Fear while a reporter in Minnesota. I think it is an excellent review of
the most popular conspiracy theories in the modern U.S. (even though I disagree
with his analysis of LaRouche's theories, and even sent him material while he
was writing the book to try to change his mind.)

The Vankin book is a pop-culture ripoff of conspiracy theories from a variety of sources who are interviewed but seldom evaluated. A very dissappointing book given the amount of energy and research obviously spent on writing it. The publisher is tied to
 Moon's Unification Church. A rather obvious breach of ethics is the failure to
review Moon's conspiracy theories. 

-Chip Berlet
Facts not Fantasies
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