From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Son of God
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:37:26 GMT

Ibaa steps on our toes in the following:

In <44164@imag.imag.fr>, oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:

"   I'll give a final comment on this subject : I prefer a G-D who "loves me"
" on a G-D who "have created me to worship him". Even if i'm wrong i don't think
" that i'll be sorry after my death. It should be really a cool place there with
" all my family with me. Maybe i'll have the oppurtunity to see my Grand'Pa, my
" father told me i resembled to him.

   Fasten your belt, Ibaa. I bet US$5.00 (that is ~Cdn$6.25) and shaving my
moustache or one side thereof (whichever you chose) that you will change your
mind once you feel the heat. I mean read this:

** Somebody told me you'll go out of your mind
   in the heat, in the heat of a disco night. --Arabesque, "Disco Fever"

Not to mention hell fire. But first let's see who loves whom. Since I heard
you prefer Arabic quotes, I have here Arabic Koran and Bible (and English
ones, don't worry.) I will quote the English Bible to simplify reading
and because it is not the original language anyway.

   About our God, refered to hereafter as God:
   2:25: "wa baSHiri La_thIna 'AmanO wa ^amilo .SAli.hAti 'aNa lahom jaNAtin
       tajrI min ta.htiha l'anhAro ... wa hom fIhA .kAlidOn."
   9:72: "wa^ada LUho lmo'minIna wa lmo'minAti jaNAtin tajrI min ta.htiha
       l'anhAro .kAlidIna fIhA wa masAkina .taYibatan fI jaNAti ^dnin wa
       **ri.dwAnon** mina LUhi 'akbaro, _thAlika howa lfawzo l^a.thIm."
   33:43: "howa La_thI yo.saLI ^alaykom wa malA'ikatohO liyo.krijako(m) Mina
       .THolomAti ila NOri, wa kAna bilmo'minIna ra.hImA."
   85:14: "wa howa l.gafOro lwadOd"

I conclude that God loves us.
      
   About our prophet, the Prophet (MPBUH):
   9:128: "laqad jA'akom rasOlon min **'anfosikom** ^azIzon ^alayhi mA ^aniTom
       bilmo'minIna **ra'Ofo(n) Ra.hIm.**
   9:103: "... wa .saLi ^alayhim, iNa .salAtaka sakano(n) Lahom."
   21:107: "wa mA 'arsalnAka iLA ra.hmata(n) Lil^AlamIn."
   **comment: So God loves all people, otherwise why be merciful to them?
   34:28: "wa ma 'arsalnAka iLA kAFata(n) LiNAsi **bashIran** wa na_thIra ..."
   **comment: good news before warning.

In the Day of Judgement when everyone is scared for himself/herself/itself
including Jesus (Son of Mary), Gabriel (Holy Spirit) and everyone else, the
Prophet's case will be **us** not himself as verses and Hadiths show.

The other side of the hill:

Ge 1:4: God saw that the light was good ...
[He had to try it to see it is good.]

Ge 3:17: ... Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you
      will eat of it all the days of your life.
[How merciful and loving is this?]

God's mercy in conquering Sihon's country:
Dt 2:34: At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them--men,
     women and children. We left no survivors.
[And in other towns, the same. Never Muslims did this.]

Is not this God of Israel the same God of Xtians = Jesus = Holy Spirit?

What about Jesus?

Mt 5:17: Don't think that I came to abolish the Law of the Prophets; I have not
    come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
  
  Let's see how he would fulfill them:

Mt 5:27-29: You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell
    you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed 
    adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge
    it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your 
    body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

   Whatever the definition of "lustfully" is, it looks that doers of such a sin
are going to hell (unless Jesus changed his mind thereafter as usual.) This is
not present in Islam. So the loving God of Xtians wants to throw them in hell.

Mt 5:31-32 = no divorce except for adultery.

   Islam is not that tight.
   
And about the mercy of Jesus:

Mt 11:20-24 Then Jusus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles
      had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe
      to you, Bethsaida! If the meracles that were performed in you had been
      performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth
      and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable to Tyre and Sidon on the
      day of judgement than for you. ...
     
  The Prophet never did this to a city. Even in Taif were he was physically hurt
and humiliated, he did not curse them. He used to say, God, guide my people to
the truth, because they don't know.

About his politeness to Mary (MPBUH):
Mt 12:48: He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing
      to his desciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever
      does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
      
The Prophet never did something like this about his mother despite that she was
an infidel.

About changing his mind:
Mt 15:24: He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
After his resurrection:
Mt 28:18: Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on
      earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make desciples of all
      nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and
      of the Holy Spirit and teacing them to obey everything I have commanded
      you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Before, he was not authorised to do so.

And about God's resolution:
Ex 32:14: Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster
      he had threatened.

God was frank with us; he told us why he created us. Some other people don't
know why they were created. I would not like a clumsy inconfident God who makes 
mistakes, does not know the consequences of his words and acts, changes his views 
as he learns from his own mistakes and claims he loves me in words.