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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: aga chipset for amiga
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:16:43 EST


-> The AGA chipset, while backwards compatable software-wise, is not a
-> drop-in replacement for the old classic and/or ECS chipsets. The
-> pinouts of the Lisa are radically different, and all are full 32-bit.
-> In order to move forward, you often have to make a break with the
-> past.

 I agree but the Amiga 3000 has 32 bit custom chips in it. They are
running at 7.16 mhz but they are in 32 bit paths. This means that the
AGA chipset should be easy to add in an Amiga 3000. It may not be pin
compatible, but that doesn't mean Commodore can't put the chip on a
daugther board to make it pin compatible.

 After all they said the 2 Meg Agnus was impossible for an Amiga 500 or
Amiga 2000. I know quite a few people who have a 2 meg chip in their
computers, thanks to some 3rd party workarounds.

 I can understand it if Commodore leaves it up to 3rd party companies to
get the AGA chipset in Amiga  500/2000 computers. But with the AMiga
3000 being a full 32bit machine it should be fairly simple to add the
AGA chipset.
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Unix for the masses, was Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:11:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.210310.15279@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>Huh?  C= specifically mentions the same altering of resolution
>capability as in the ECS in their "A4000" press release!  The AGA can do
>1280 across, dude.  There's nothing preventing the AGA from doing
>800x600 in 16 colors, 1024x768 in 4 colors or 1280x1024 monochrome all
>noninterlaced.

I don't believe this is correct.   It is more complex than that. 

>Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and

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Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:04:35 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Sep5.202442.27099@csus.edu>, monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor) writes:
> In article <8vyyc2@rpi.edu> danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>>I have just one tiny problem with this buyout-stock rise-big $$$ scenario.
>>
>>CBM stock has been around $12.50 all its LIFE! Sure, new product announcements
>>have been known to breathe some new life into the trading, but for the most 
>>part the "normal" price for a share of CBM stock seems to be between $10 and 
>>$15! 

	Is this true?  I heard that in the hey-day of the C64, Commodore
	stock was, like $75.00

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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 6 Sep 1992 15:19:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:

[...]
>>No I've never seen a non-interlaced 25 or 30 Hz display, but I have seen a
>>60 Hz non-interlace display and a 60 Hz interlaced display (both at 800x
>>600), the answer is obvious to me.

>No. You have seen a 60Hz noninterlaced display and a 30Hz interlaced display.
>And that was obvious (I'm always talking about _frame_ rates).

You know that frame rates and refresh rates are different when we'are
talking about interlaced video, since it takes two fresh cycles to draw one
complete frame, so when I say a 60 Hz interlaced display, it means a
display with half of its scan lines repainted 60 times per second, the
other half repainted 60 times the next cycle.  So you have 60 frames every
2 seconds, or 30 frames per second, compare that with a non-interlaced 60Hz
display which gives 60 frames per second, isn't that what we'are talking
about?

-- Nan
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:04:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.234600.28856@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

[ ]
>
>	He's dreaming if he thinks the A4000 with IDE is competition for the
>  various 486 boxes out there that offer much more for the same price.

What exactly do they offer that's more?
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:03:52 GMT

In article <jbickers.0f6a@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Sep6.031318.8241@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
>
>> You DO realize, don't you,that 320X200 *isn't* VGA resolution, right?
>> 320X200 is the common CGA resolution.  A VGA-capable monitor/card *can*
                  ^^^^^^^^^^
>    The CGA pics I've come across are usually 640x200. I've even got a
>    couple of GLs that run in this mode, and the documentation for
>    various programs claims that this is CGA.

Yeah that's why I said 'common'.:-) (Cover my butt  :-)  )
I do realize that given a certain resolution/color capability, most systems
can to a sacrifice resolution for colors type thing.  Witness MCGA-
running in only 320X200 but with 256 colors, ass opposed to 16 colors in VGA
resolution.  In EGA, and surely CGA, there are similar tradeoffs.

>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:15:14 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>I've been programming the VGA for a while now and wonder why so few games,
>demos, etc. take advanatage of the extra resolution.
>

I think VGA animation is still in its infancy.  Tweaked VGA modes like Mode X
provide *big* gains when it comes to animation, but they aren't used much in
games yet (Wolfenstein 3D uses one).  Also, VGA is perfectly capable of smooth
scrolling in both directions (look at the Keen games, parts 4-6), but only
a few games take advantage of it.  Keen 5, IMHO, has the nicest graphics I've
ever seen in a PC action game.
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From: danaf@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: orst
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.165923.2776@CS.ORST.EDU>, dstuve@prism.cs.orst.edu (David Stuve) writes:
|> In <1992Sep14.031650.29583@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I'd hate to see the Amiga community turn into a bunch of boneheads who only
|> >shop price.
|> 
|> You've just named the #1 frustration with the low-end of the Amiga market.
|> As a developer, it's really hard to price a better program or piece
|> of hardware and price it $10 more than the competitors, and watch
|> it lose a significant share of the market.
|> 
|> I've seen a lot of really cynical decisions made behind closed doors
|> because of the el-cheapo habits of (a large chunk) of 500 owners.
|> 
|> That's why I'm so pleased to see the a4000.  People who can shell out
|> the moola for a system of that calibre are will be willing to pay
|> for quality products.

Absolutely. That's the problem with using the computer with (still...) the best
price/performance ratio on the market: you get a lot of cheapos. That's also the
problem of having the computer with the most upgrades straight from former
"computers" like the Commodore 64. Wing Commander for the Amiga would never sell.
We'd get another string of whines like the ones about the A4000...

"What do you mean I can't play it off floppy!?!?"

"It take TWO whole megs to run? My A1000 only has 512K!"

"Well WHY can't it run on a stock A500? Tetris does!"

"I have to buy a new Agnus **JUST** to play Wing Commander?"

"I'm not giving up 30 megs of **MY** 40-meg hard drive for ONE game!"

et cetera ad nauseam. And, if the price is anywhere over $44.95, you just lose
half of your prospective market.

|> --David Stuve
|> dstuve@prism.cs.orst.edu

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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:13:45 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University


   
   
     Could someone in the CBM land tell me whether if there is going to be a 
A4000 tower?  or is the A3000T/040 it?  BTW, what is the difference?
  
                                                      -TKH '92
  
P.S.  Why the analogy with FORDs?
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:55:26 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <tony.715994871@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>>
>>>In summary: most PC games are terrible, the computer is awful, they do have a
>>>large market and a lot of stuff is available for what is a terrible piece
>>>of junk, my GS is better than my 486 (as are my Mac's), and the Amiga has
>>>nothing to apologize for. It's a far better computer than the PC will ever
>>>be.
>>>
>>>Just my $2000 worth (price of the MPC thing approximately-> with "8 megs of
>>>RAM, giving me 550k of usable RAM").
>>> 
>
>>Hmmm...  No wonder people see Amiga buffs as an annoying bunch of ignorant
>>fanatics.  John Dvorak was right.
>
>Jerry, you're such a moron sometimes.
>
>Here's a guy that appears to be giving an honest opinion of at least two
>machines (a GS and a clone).  He doesn't even really mention anything abou
>the amiga being better, just that it "has nothing to apologise for".
>

He was being really annoying about it, with his bitching and moaning.  He was
contributing to the animosity that exists towards Amiga enthusiasts.  He
was being as much of an asshole ("... the worst micro ... most games are
terrible, the computer is awful ...") as you accuse me of being.

>
>Why would you post a two line *bash* of an Amiga user (or is he, he doesn't
>say, and I can't remember) for these comments?  
>

Because his comments were chock-full of lies.  For example, the part about
the 8MB PC only having 550KB of usable RAM.

>
>Can't you face the fact that everyone doesn't like the same things as you,
>Jerry?
>

Oh, I see.  You blast me for being partial, but it's OK for someone who shares
your point of view, right?  I hope you asked Philip that same question; if
not, you're a hypocrite.

>
>Geez...
>

Likewise...

>
>Tony Poole                       tony@umcc.ais.org * tony@irie.ais.org 
>
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:46:55 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>
>PC's have set back progress in micro computing by years.
>

Oh please.  That phrase has been posted here about a thousand times, and it
still makes no sense.  However, it *is* classic .advocacy;  I'd like to know
who first came up with it.

>>
>>Because his comments were chock-full of lies.  For example, the part about
>>the 8MB PC only having 550KB of usable RAM.
>
>That's not a lie +/- 50k depending on your memory manager. You simply don't
>have more than 640k of real RAM (unless you use OS/2 or Unix, which is another
>story.  OS/2 does not support MPC's yet, and Unix is better run on a NeXT, for
>example. I defy you to point to any evidence that DOS users have more than
>640k of omemory without going the extendor route.
>

DOS extender or different OS, an 8MB PC is *not* limited to 550KB of usable
RAM.

>
>Look, Jerry I'm actually pretty open about PC's. I went so far as to get one.
>I have a number of systems.  It's simply the worst of the lot.  Please 
>explain how you get around the 640k issue.
>

I use Windows and Unix.

>Philip McDunnough
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate <- (ha!)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:08:58 GMT

In <1992Sep11.165440.13372@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Isn't it true that on the Amiga, the number of graphics screens available
>depends on the amount of Chip RAM installed?  If so, how many 640x480x4
>screens can a typical A500 store?  A3000?

The A500 can do about 6, A3000 can do about 12 as they have 1MB and 2MB
graphics memory respectively.

But can you partition the VGA RAM into different partitions that could say
store some ten monochrome screens ? Together with a 640x480x16 ? Does
the system software support it ?

Regards,
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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.034736.24755@tronsbox.xei.com> bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
|The point of what you said was that Marc has to actually use the
|machine before he can comment on it, even when someone he trusts uses
|one and tells him about it.  By that logic, none of us has any right
|to comment on anything, since we're all relatively inexperienced
|compared to the number of things that happen every day everywhere.  Do
|you think that we should all go to Florida before we believe that the
|hurricane was bad?  That we should go to Somalia before we believe
|that the people there are hungry?

	Go rent Highlander II.  It's a great movie.  Trust me.


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From: craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace)
Subject: Re: CDTV Ads
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:32:54 GMT

JLKARAU@MTUS5.BITNET writes:

>Also, for all the people saying CDTV is dead....There is a store in the MEGAMAL
>L of America which features Interactive CD players.  CDTV is one of those and C
>ommdore had its own sales guy there for atleast the first couple weeks...

>Of course CDI and phillips representative was also there.

>JLK

I'm not looking to flood this newsgroup with stuff that's probably been hashed
out months (or years) ago, but I'm curious, so if someone could E-Mail me...

What is CDI.  Is it like CDTV?  From what I've seen in the groups, it seems so.
How does it differ from CDTV?  Is it better, worse?  What add-ons can you get?

I know about CDTV, I've a friend at an Amiga dealership and whenever I get the
chance to go down, I usually fiddle with it.
 
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:05:37 GMT

In article <25380013@hpsad.sad.hp.com> kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci) writes:
>Anyway, 
>except for some specialized situations I don't know why anyone would want 
>to run an 256 color workbench anyway. 

   If the system had the capability of using much more chip RAM (16M, for
instance) and if the 256-color mode was much more speedy, I am sure that a
lot more people would want to run the Workbench in 256-color mode all of 
the time.  

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:39:00 GMT

>>The AA-chipset doesn't support all SVGA features, like 800x600 or
>                                                        ^^^^^^^
>>1024x768 in 256 colors.
>
>	There has been numerous posts stating that the AGA chipset
>does have 800x600 resolution in 256 colors and in 256,000+ colors(HAM8). 

	Is the 800x600 mode non-interlaced?

							G.Greene

>Joseph
>hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:26:15 GMT

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0k02@telepro.UUCP>, James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
 
|> YES!!! Instead of C:More or SYS:TOOLS/MORE or DF0:MORE or whatever else I
|> have seen on any number of disks, just put MORE. It's on the path, even
|> with a default Startup-Sequence...

Right. Sooo... anyone (users, not developers....) care to make a case AGAINST 
using no paths in Default Tools? Or is it settled? I think some official stand
on this issue from Commodore would be nice, as well...

|> One other thing I hate that developers do is to use More-like utility
|> programs, which then have to be referenced back to the original floppy
|> (like it does not end up in a huge pile of identical-looking floppies
|> somewhere in the recess behind by keyboard and under my monitor)....

Yeah, that sucks, too. Well, hopefully, the WB 3.0 viewer will be good enough 
that everyone will start using it. TOO MUCH "standardization" (a la the MAC and
its stupid programming rules...) is stifling, but it doesn't hurt to make things
a LITTLE bit like everything else on the market.

BTW: why does your editor quote me as "DR"???

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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:44:45 GMT

bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:

>I haven't actually *seen* one of these beasts yet (I guess they won't make an
>appearance here in Ireland for a long, long time...), but I have a few
>thoughts on the specs which have been posted numerous times here:

>- 25MHz 68040. Boring! :-)  Apple are shipping / about to ship their 33MHz
>versions of the Quadra. I dunno if 32% is such a noticeable speed increase,

The Mac NEEDS an 040 8-)...

The 33Mhz Quadra 950 is shipping. I've seen one here in West Oz, and if
its here, its everywhere !

>Barry.
>bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie
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