HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hakan@terminus.ericsson.se (Hakan Nohre)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:48:32 GMT
Reply-To: hakan@terminus.ericsson.se
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England

R YBEPEH  B TOM '|TO  -)TO nPOCTOE ACKNN.
-> Ya yveren f tom  schto aehto prostoye ascii.

.. or I'm convinced it is ASCII-plain text, that is made to look cyrillic.

XOKAH.
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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 10:31:33 MST
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: tulleyj@bones.et.byu.edu (Jefferson W. Tulley)


Would transliteration be in order here?  If not transliteration, then some 
standard set of characters needs to be adopted, since the cyrrilic alphabet
contains some similar characters.  I personally vote for transliteration, since
most sounds can be done that way.  


Jeff Tulley
tulleyj@bones.et.byu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Alexander Lipson
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:37:48 GMT

Are there any other people out there who used the bizarre textbooks of the late
Alexander Lipson?  These are titled "A Russian Course, Part 1", "A Russian
Course, Part 2" and "A Russian Course, Part 3".  I think "A Russian Course,
Part 3" is an unfinished work.  My copy of "A Russian Course, Part 1" is the
1981 edition published by Slavica Publishers, Inc. of Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A. 
ISBN 0-89357-080-X.

"Ia doktor vsekh nauk... ia yzhe izuchala topologiiu, fiziku i astrobiologiiu" 
-- Malenkaia Sonia

"Ia ne khochu chistit'.  Ia ne khochu rubit'.  Ia khochu sidet' v restorane i
kak vse obrazovannye liudi govorit' o sotsiologii, o topologii i ob etnologii." 
-- Bednaia Katia
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

To be free of bondage or restraint, to live under a government based on
the consent of the citizens, these are basic among all freedoms ... and
this is the reason why a democracy is from every possible humane point
of view the best form of government ... What so many human beings in the
modern world have failed to understand is that freedom is the greatest
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: pdm@grebyn.com (Paul Makinen)
Subject: Re: Alexander Lipson
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:59:20 GMT

I have many fond memories of the Lipson textbooks; we used them in
Russian classes at the University of Massachusetts in the late 1970's.

The Lipson books are a charming combination of existential angst and
poking fun at socialism as (formerly) practiced in Russia:

One of my favorites was the story about Zapadnyi Blinsk and Vostochnyi
Blinsk ("Zhiteli Vostochnogo blinska lyubyat stroit' gidrotekhnicheskie
ustanovki poka zhiteli Zapadnogo blinska lyubyat lezhit' na plyazhe
slushat' dikii dzhaz, itp.").

And of course, who could ever forget Malenkaya Kat'ya and the Raketnaya
Zhenshchina...
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Alexander Lipson
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:33:57 GMT

In article <SRO.93Jan11002314@media-lab.media.mit.edu> sro@media.mit.edu (Shawn O'Donnell) writes:
>My favorite, besides the Sverkhchelovek story, was "Ze Inglesh Leson":
>[this was in cyrillic:]
>
>  Teacher:  Dzhon, esk Meri uat shi ez doing.
>    Dzhon:  Meri, uat iu ar doing?
>
>Anyhow, after we used the book, Slavica Publishers came out with a new,
>better typeset two volume edition of the book (I think...)  I also think
>that Professor Lipson passed away before the second (?) edition appeared.
>
>The other day I was wondering how long Lipson's humor will be
>understood by students: lots of the stultified language that he
>parodies will (let's hope) disappear as Russia puts the old ways
>behind itself...
>
>  "Beton beton beton beton
>   Hasha brigada betonaya..."
>
>or 
>
>   Bezdel'nini kuriat na trolejbuse...
>
>I suppose that the libraries will always keep old copies of bad
>literature and bad journalism, but even Pravda isn't like that 
>any more.  (They still have their heads in the sand, but they 
>don't talk like that any more.)
>
>Keep up the good work, all you udarniki!
>
>--Shawn



After reading  this thread about jokes in Russian textbook I understand 
why "Sovetologists" were so suprized about recent events there. This 
has nothing to do with Russia. BTW, people there in average are more educated
than in America. American college students is sheer horror, if compared
with Russian.

Chiao, folks








Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: reest@dutentu.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Reest)
Subject: Re: Etova slova ili eto slovo?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:08:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.224859.3289@news.acns.nwu.edu>, ckelly@math.nwu.edu (Christopher Kelly) writes:
|> 
|> -- 
|> This looks like a good place to post. Our Russian textbook says to use the
|> genetive case with the negative, e.g., "Ya ni znayu etova slova".  But some
|> of my friends who have used other textbooks and Russian speakers don't know
|> or can't explain why such a rule would be offered. I have no particularly
|> strong idea myself since I am just barely finished with my first quarter of
|> Russian study. But which is preferrable in most situations?  
|> 
|> 	Ya ni znayu etot gorod.   or   Ya ni znayu etova goroda.    ?
|> That is         Accusative    or               Genegive     case? 
|> 
|> --Chris Kelly    internet: ckelly@math.nwu.edu
|>                  phone:    (708) 491-8020

-- 
In the course I followed I learnt the same thing as you:
Ya ni znayu etova slova and Ya ni znayu etova goroda would 
be the correct expressions to use.


Peter van der Reest,
Student at 
Delft University of Technology,
Department of Electrotechnical Engineering.
Electonics Laboratory.

   ... and even if you choose not to decide,
	              you still have made a choice.

Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: radloff@cs.uiuc.edu (Lisa Radloff)
Subject: Transcription & such...
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:03:11 GMT

Take a look at the newsgroup soc.culture.soviet, there is an
article under the heading of russian emigre jokes that is done in a really
easily-readable format -- looks like basic one-to-one phonetic transcription
symbols from the standard keyboard...

Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: lls@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lori Smallwood)
Subject: Re: Etova slova ili eto slovo?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:26:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.224859.3289@news.acns.nwu.edu> ckelly@math.nwu.edu (Christopher Kelly) writes:
>
>-- 
>This looks like a good place to post. Our Russian textbook says to use the
>genetive case with the negative, e.g., "Ya ni znayu etova slova".  But some
>of my friends who have used other textbooks and Russian speakers don't know
>or can't explain why such a rule would be offered. I have no particularly
>strong idea myself since I am just barely finished with my first quarter of
>Russian study. But which is preferrable in most situations?  
>
>	Ya ni znayu etot gorod.   or   Ya ni znayu etova goroda.    ?
>That is         Accusative    or               Genegive     case? 
>
>--Chris Kelly    internet: ckelly@math.nwu.edu
>                 phone:    (708) 491-8020


I think you use the genetive when you are negating the existance of
something, such as "No city is here" : "Zdyec nyet goroda."  What you were
saying before is "I don't know this city."  You're not saying that the city
doesn't exist, you're saying that you don't know it or you don't know where
it is or whatever.

I know that there are no cities here:
Ya znayu, shto zdyec nyet gorodov.

I don't know the cities here.
Ya nye znayu, zdyec gorodi. 

I hope I'm giving you the correct information.  :)

-- Lori
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: Why make it so hard on yourselves?!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:17:42 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1ikm95$6kn@agate.berkeley.edu> ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes:
>	Okay, I'm not sure just what this newsgroup in about, but there
>is a standard cyrillic ASCII character set and many drivers that will
>put the characters on your screen, though not in "news."

Well, you're not right. The "vanilla" news system i use here (cnews+rn)
is 8-bit transparent and i enjoy reading (and posting to) 8-bit
Russian newsgroups (relcom.*). It only takes installation font
files and keyboard map to X windows.

You can determine if you're getting all 8 bits using the following text:

	       

which sounds

	V lesu rodilas' yolochka v lesu ona rosla

>This is the
>system they use for E-mail in Russia, through uuencoding/uudecoding.

The standard is called KOI-8; the e-mail system in Russia is
8-bit transparent (i know for i did it myself) so no uuencoding
is necessary. Unlike news, most e-mail software in US zeroes
8th bit in characters. The fix is trivial and any programmer
can fix it in 10 minutes.

>If
>you need the E-mail front end they use in Russia itself (Beauty Mail hacked
>by Moscow computer dweebs) I can get a copy to you.

BML was written by Sergey Vakulenko <vak@kiae.su> -- it is better to
get a new version from him. BML is *not* public domain, it is a
commercial product.

>You might look into
>getting the CRS Russian lang programs from Cornell University (NOT freeware)
>which are compatible with the character sets they use in Russia.

There is a lot of public domain cyrillic fonts etc. Beware for
there are two encodings -- KOI-8 (a standard since early '70)
used mostly in Unix systems and is the de-facto standart for
networking and "alternative" code which avoids using IBM pseudographic
codes and therefore widely used on MS-DOS machines.

>Do tekh por, sovetuyu ispol'zovat' takoi transkrpiptsiei.

Replace ispol'zovat' ---> pol'zovat'sya. A small language flame :-)

--vadim
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: ckelly@math.nwu.edu (Christopher Kelly)
Subject: Etova slova ili eto slovo?
Organization: Dept of Math, Northwestern Univ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:48:59 GMT


-- 
This looks like a good place to post. Our Russian textbook says to use the
genetive case with the negative, e.g., "Ya ni znayu etova slova".  But some
of my friends who have used other textbooks and Russian speakers don't know
or can't explain why such a rule would be offered. I have no particularly
strong idea myself since I am just barely finished with my first quarter of
Russian study. But which is preferrable in most situations?  

	Ya ni znayu etot gorod.   or   Ya ni znayu etova goroda.    ?
That is         Accusative    or               Genegive     case? 

--Chris Kelly    internet: ckelly@math.nwu.edu
                 phone:    (708) 491-8020
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:32:06 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1993Jan12.082439.14333@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> ilya@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Usvyatsky Ilya) writes:
>	There were a lot of discussions about transliteration of cyrillic in
>	soc.culture soviet group.
>	Actually, it gave no result. There are several ways to write in Russian
>	using computer:
>			(c) Use transliteration convension.

Nah! It's ugly and barely readable. If you're unable to fix
software on your own machine that's your problem, right?

>			(b) Use "alternative" coding from IBM PC BETA package
>				(still poor way)

The "alternative code" by V.M.Bryabrin (he was my science tutor at
Moscow U, BTW) is used on PCs with MS-DOS *only* because it does
not interfere with the brain-dead IBM pseudographics. It is not
standard.

>			(a) Use KOI-7/KOI-8 old soviet standard (very poor way)

There are several codes: KOI-7 H0 (ASCII) and H1 (ASCII with cyrillic
letters in place of Latin (codes 0100-0176)) -- the SI (^N) switches
to H1, SO (^O) switches to H0; KOI-7 H0/1 -- the upper-case only
(ASCII with codes 0140-0176 filled by upper-case cyrillic) and,
finally, 8-bit KOI-8 (ASCII in lower half, upper & lower-case cyrillic
in range 0300-0377).

The KOI-8 is the de facto standard for networking in Russia (particularly
because it is the "proper" superset of ASCII (unlike the "alternative
code") and can be directly used with practically all terminals with
loadable fonts (i.e. you can use practically any DEC, Wyse or other
ANSI terminals without any hardware modifications); this code is
also standard for Unix systems.

The cyrillic letters in KOI-8 ordered as:

@  A B  C    D   E  F  G  H   I   J  K L  M N O  P  Q R S T
     _                 __         ,             __
|O A b  ||   /|  E (|) |  X  |/| |/| K /| M H O || (| P C T
        ~~' '~~'                                   /|

U  V   W  X  Y   Z  [  \   ]  ^   _
                                 _
Y >|<  B  H  b|  3 ||| -) ||| ||  b
                   ~~~    ~~, ~|

Codes 0300-0337 are for lower case, 0340-0377 for upper case
(i don't know where this particular convention came from for
it seems unjustified).

This (non-alpahbetical) order actually preadates computers and was
used in an international telegraph for encoding cyrillic. The KOI-8
code with trimmed 8th bit is still readable no worse than "transliteration
conventions").

In fact, if your e-mail software 8-bit transparent you can easily
exchange e-mail in Russian. The example of a text in KOI-8:

	   
	  ?
	  ,
	  ...
	   
	   .

--vadim
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: sro@media.mit.edu (Shawn O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Alexander Lipson
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:23:14 GMT

My favorite, besides the Sverkhchelovek story, was "Ze Inglesh Leson":
[this was in cyrillic:]

  Teacher:  Dzhon, esk Meri uat shi ez doing.
    Dzhon:  Meri, uat iu ar doing?

Anyhow, after we used the book, Slavica Publishers came out with a new,
better typeset two volume edition of the book (I think...)  I also think
that Professor Lipson passed away before the second (?) edition appeared.

The other day I was wondering how long Lipson's humor will be
understood by students: lots of the stultified language that he
parodies will (let's hope) disappear as Russia puts the old ways
behind itself...

  "Beton beton beton beton
   Hasha brigada betonaya..."

or 

   Bezdel'nini kuriat na trolejbuse...

I suppose that the libraries will always keep old copies of bad
literature and bad journalism, but even Pravda isn't like that 
any more.  (They still have their heads in the sand, but they 
don't talk like that any more.)

Keep up the good work, all you udarniki!

--Shawn
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: rene@hal.et.tudelft.nl (Rene Bodenstaff)
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 10:17:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.020423.21214@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:
> 
> 3A`|EM CO3DAH -)TA HI-O3rPYpYnnA?
> 
> 
> R N3Y`|AJI PYCCKNN R3blK BCErO TOJIbKO nOJIbTOPA rODA...
> N3BNHNTE MEHR 3A nJIOXYI-O rPAMMATNKY um.g.
> 
  Ok, hold one, here comes a FAQ. (It's my first time on alt.uu.lang.russian
  so don't be upset :-) ).

  I guess the _random_ letter combinations above make up Russian letters,
  but how are they encoded? Is there something called dribble2dvi, so I
  can view this text in Cyrilic (sp?). Our is it just plain text, written
  in ASCII?  

  {I don't read Russian, I'm only looking around on the net for a 
   girlfriend of mine, who is studying Russian}

       ---< Sonic says: "more haste is more speed" >---
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI


3A`|EM CO3DAH -)TA HI-O3rPYpYnnA?


R N3Y`|AJI PYCCKNN R3blK BCErO TOJIbKO nOJIbTOPA rODA...
N3BNHNTE MEHR 3A nJIOXYI-O rPAMMATNKY um.g.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of
themselves.
                                -- Lazarus Long
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Library of Congress transcription standard
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:20:42 GMT

Neskol'ko let nazad ia rabotal na biblioteke Michiganskoi Universiteta.  Tam my
pol'zovalis' sistemoi ustanovion(?) Bibliotekoi S`ezdi (SShA).  Naskol'ko ia
znaio, eta sistema schitana standartnom bibliotekami voobshche.  Veroiatno, tak
predstan russkie zaglaviia it.d. v elektronichnom kataloge okolo vas.  Eta
stat`ia napisana priblizheniiem eio.

Some years ago I worked at University of Michigan library.  There we used the
Library of Congress' system.  As far as I know libraries consider it a
standard.  Most likely it is used for the Russian titles at you local (academic) library.
This article is written in a rough approximation of it.

For example, the data entry teminals I used there had two weird characters to
weld the i to the other vowel to represent the "soft" vowels.  The ascii
flattenization you probably see in your electronic card catalog is NOT
unambiguously transliterable, without (A)I anyway.  If your library is in the
Research Libraries' Information Network, and your book was published prior to
1987, I may well have put it there.

Grammatical flames always welcome.  Free education...

The other system is meant as a joke, I'm not trying to sell anyone on visual
representation...

KAK }+{NBYT YDAPHNKN?
YDAPHNKN }+{NBYT XOPOWO!

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Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

Be entirely tolerant or not at all; follow the good path or the evil
one.  To stand at the crossroads requires more strength than you possess.
				-- Heinrich Heine (1797-1856)
From: hammekr@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth R. Hammett)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:31:01 GMT
Reply-To: hammekr@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

There`s got to be a better way to write Russian than look-alikes.  It would take me hours to read this.

Rich.hammett@eng.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: CEHR
Subject: Re: Alexander Lipson
Originator: senya@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:30:15 GMT



XOTb HE COBCEM OTBET, HO HA TY TEMY: 

HA BCEX B CCCP ECTb OTMETKA COBKOBCTBA,
CEKPETHA OHA - HECOMHEHHOE CKOTCTBO.
EE HE YKPACTb, HE OTPE3ATb, HE CbECTb, -
XOTb 3ABTPA C PACCBETOM BCEM BPA3 YMEPETb!
From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Why make it so hard on yourselves?!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:56:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

	Okay, I'm not sure just what this newsgroup in about, but there
is a standard cyrillic ASCII character set and many drivers that will
put the characters on your screen, though not in "news."  This is the
system they use for E-mail in Russia, through uuencoding/uudecoding.  If
you need the E-mail front end they use in Russia itself (Beauty Mail hacked
by Moscow computer dweebs) I can get a copy to you.  You might look into
getting the CRS Russian lang programs from Cornell University (NOT freeware)
which are compatible with the character sets they use in Russia.

Do tekh por, sovetuyu ispol'zovat' takoi transkrpiptsiei.

-- 
Gavin Helf
UC Berkeley Political Science
Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: Etova slova ili eto slovo?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:00:30 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1993Jan11.224859.3289@news.acns.nwu.edu> ckelly@math.nwu.edu (Christopher Kelly) writes:
>But which is preferrable in most situations?  
>
>	Ya ni znayu etot gorod.   or   Ya ni znayu etova goroda.    ?
>That is         Accusative    or               Genegive     case? 

Well, both forms are used, though the first (accusative) feels
more "correct" (i.e. bookish); it can be thought of as a reduction from

"Ya [nichego] ne znayu [pro] etot gorod".
"Ya ne znayu [chto] eto slovo [oboznachayet]".

This variant fits the grammatical characteristics of the verb znat' better:

"Ty znaesh' etot gorod?" is valid but one cannot say
"Ty znaesh' etogo goroda?".

At the same time, the second (genegive) form can be derived from

"Ya ne znayu [ulits] etogo goroda"
"Ya ne znayu [smysla] etogo slova"

and is more likely to be used in speech (especially southern).

Well, in some cases those usages aren't equivalent:

"Ya ne skazal slovo!"	(I didn't say the word!)
"Ya ne skazal slova!"	(I didn't say a word!)

but "Ya ne skazal eto slovo!" is equivalent to "Ya ne skazal etogo slova!".

Basically it means that in such constructions in the absense of
the specification eto/etogo the accusative form assumes the reference to
the specific object while genegive implies reference to any object
of the class (in negative statement, of course).

Want to switch to Chinese? :-)

--vadim
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: Library of Congress transcription standard
From: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky)
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:55:21
Organization: Physicists for Poetry
In-reply-to: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu's message of Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:20:42 GMT

w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:

> Neskol'ko let nazad ia rabotal na biblioteke Michiganskoi
> Universiteta.  Tam my pol'zovalis' sistemoi ustanovion(?)
> Bibliotekoi S`ezdi (SShA).  Naskol'ko ia znaio, eta sistema schitana
> standartnom bibliotekami voobshche.  Veroiatno, tak predstan russkie
> zaglaviia it.d. v elektronichnom kataloge okolo vas.  Eta stat`ia
> napisana priblizheniiem eio.
That should be:
Neskol'ko let nazad ia rabotal v biblioteke Michiganskogo
Universiteta. Tam my pol'zovalis' sistemoi prinyatoi Bibliotekoi Kongressa.
Naskol'ko ia znayu, eta sistema schitaetsya standartom bol'shinstvom  
bibliotek.  Veroiatno ona ispol'zovana dlya russkih  zaglaviy v
kataloge vashei mestnoi biblioteki. Eta stat`ya, v grubom
priblizhenii, napisana s eye pomochshyu.

> Some years ago I worked at University of Michigan library.  There we
> used the Library of Congress' system.  As far as I know libraries
> consider it a standard.  Most likely it is used for the Russian
> titles at you local (academic) library.  This article is written in
> a rough approximation of it.
Zhenya

Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc