From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: So Forgach Supports Shutting Down Catholic masses
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:17:37 GMT

> = (Douglas Meier) writes:
>> = ( Steve Novak) writes:
>>> = (Douglas Meier) writes:
>>>> = ( Steve Novak) writes:
>>>>> = (Douglas Meier) writes:

>>>>>If you must pick on the Church, please try to remember that few Christian
>>>>>faiths are much better, save the Amish.....

>>>>That's your opinion.  I think it's the most repressive of the christian
>>>>sects in America.  And their meddling in poltics warrants the end of tax
>>>>exemptions for their million dollar cathedrals.  

>>>I thank you for wacking the part of my post that gives my experience in the
>>>Church.  Why address the fact that you can't pigeonhole the hole Church into
>>>one mold, when you can just say, "Some of group X do Y; therefore, all of
>>>group X does Y?"  

>>You make no sense.  The Catholic Church, the hierarchy, here in the
>>U.S., and at the behest of the Vatican, meddles in U.S. politics.

>As does Israel, and Islam, and the Fundamentalist Christians (many of whom are
>not Catholic, people leave the Catholic faith in order to join these sects). 

Any organization meddling in U.S. politics that has a religious tax
exemption should have that exemption removed.  Sorry if I confused you
into thinking I'm only against Catholics in this area. 

>The meddling that the Vatican did in the past was actually good in bringing
>about several anti-KKK laws.  Remember, the KKK (and several other factions of
>lily-white America) didn't much care for us either.

Remember, anti-KKK activities aren't political; i.e., the KKK is not
going to be voted on as a U.S. law, nor are they part of the government.  

>>The pope, allegedly speaking for God here on earth, tries to force all
>>catholics to follow a most inane set of repressive rules, and continues
>>to treat women of the church like second-class citizens.

>Coulda been worse.  I'd rather have the Pope telling me what Church doctrine
>is than the gun, thought, and speech control people legislating what I may and
>may not do with my life.  

That's not the point.  I'd prefer that none of these entities, including
the pope, be telling me what to do.

>Ya see, if you don't follow the Pope, you have two choices.  You can go to
>confession, or you can go to hell.

I'm proud to report that these arrogant statements simply elicit a "Fuck off,
religious fanatic" statement from me.

>With the latter group, you either do as they say, or you will go to
>jail.

I imagine that's the case sometimes.  What's the point?

>>>There are Catholics with money, and there are Catholics without money.  I
>>>think you will find that this truth follows with damn near every ethnic group
>>>and religious group.

>>I really don't see the relevance of your remarks.  Perhaps you could
>>clarify what "some Catholics" has to do with overall Catholic policy.

>Maybe you could clarify yours.  I thought your post was something about tax
>breaks the Church doesn't need to build its cathedrals.

It was exactly, Douglas.  The RCC is not paying taxes that it should because
of its poltical activity, which activity is specifically forbidden in
order for the Church to *get* that tax exemption.

>I merely stated that
>all Catholics cannot build cathedrals, as we don't all have the cash, tax
>breaks or no.  Sorry for confusing you.

You're still confusing me.  And probably missing my point: the Church
doesn't deserve its tax-exempt status which allows it to BUILD those
cathedrals.

The fact that "all Catholics", I guess you mean the members of the
Church collectively, cannot afford cathedrals on their own is irrelevant
and doesn't get much sympathy from me anyway.  In fact, none.

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