HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Re: Penthouse
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:58:51 GMT

dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:


>I know what you mean.  I am 245 pounds and never did steroids, and yet
>when I was powerlifting, people always accused me of juicing since I
>benched over 400 pounds.  In Hogan's case though, there is little doubt
>in my mind where he got his body.

Yeah! and I'm pretty sure the same goes for Kerry Von Eric, UW, Rick Rude
Red Tyler, LOD and many MANY more. I seem to remember when LOD did the turn
on Sting, Dusty in an interview a day later was alluding to LOD's being out
of it on steroids. Shortly after that LOD jumped Dusty and put him out
till he reappeared in the WWF.

Kamal

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From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Another stupid prediction...
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:26:14 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:

> (Mike Palij) writes...
> > 
> >(1)  I don't know why I didn't see this before but while watching Razor
> >Ramon during this weekend's Superstars I remembered that razor blades
> >are/were used to cut cocaine into lines and occasionally as a platform
> >for snorting coke.  Given the Latin connection (admittedly more Cuban
> >than Columbian) there certainly seems to be a strong implicit drug
> >connection.  Anybody else see this or have I been watching too much Mr.
> >Subliminal?
> 
> 
>    No, you are right on the mark.  In his first taped interview segment,
> Ramone spoke about how he had no education, came from dirt, etc., but that--
> look at him now--he was rich and successful.  Now, a hispanic guy who has
> no education, doesn't work, but yet is rich and lives the good life is the
> stereotypical drug czar, and the WWF is in no way above using this as an
> angle.  Your "razor connection" only reinforces the strength of the argument
> that Scott Hall's character is a Latin drug lord.
> 
 
Dandy. You know he'll eventually be programmed with UW. Can you see it?
Ultimate Warrior defeats a drug kingpin. Knowing Vince, this'll take the
scale of Rambo personally driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan.
 
Also, if anyone sees this message, please send a reply to my new address,
grendel@jaflrn.uucp.
 
--Don
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: King Kong Bundy
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:54:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

SADYR>Does Anyone know where King Kong Bundy is these days????
     >I haven't seen him since he left the WWF in the mid 80s..
     >Does anyone know where he went after leaving there???

Last I heard, he was living in South New Jersey and had a working
association with one of the casinos.
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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Bill (Watts) and Ted's (DiBiase) Excellent Adventure
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20: 29:37 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:29:37 GMT
Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20: 29:08 CDT


With Hawk saying how he is going to DESTROY The Million Dollar
Man at SlumberScam (singling Ted out) is there any doubt that
Ted is hot to jump to WCW?  

BTW, does anyone know when Ted's contract expires?  Is it
immediately after SlumberScam or would we have to wait
a couple months before he could appear?

		--Otto "Hack Hogan" Heuer

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From: Terry.Baldridge@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Terry Baldridge)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces 
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:54:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.183151.10776@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Baldridge@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Terry Baldridge) writes:
>In a previous article, ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) says:

>>How about Kevin Sullivan?  Was he ever a face?  Hard to believe if
>>he was.  :-)

>He came into Memphis as a heel once.  But he turned on Lawler in his
                           ^^^^
>very first match, so I don't guess that it really counts.

I figure most of you are smart enough to figure out that I meant face 
instead of heel, but just in case, Sullivan came into Memphis as
a face once and turned on Lawler in their first match.  I was their
in person to see that match.  It was over in about 30 seconds.

terry
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From: carlton@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:24:25 GMT

hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.171332.11497@aber.ac.uk>, dlf@aber.ac.uk (David Leslie Fenerty) writes:
>> What about Ultimate Warrior? Was he ever a heel as Dingo Warrior?

>  Funny you should mention this.  I was watching some WCCW stuff from
>  October 1986 on video and sure enough there was Dingo as a heel
>  teaming with Matt Borne and Buzz Sawyer, managed by Percy Pringle,
>  facing Kevin, Mike & Lance von Erich.  Matt & Buzz refused to tag
>  the Dingo out of the ring, and he ended up getting pinned cleanly.
>  Afterwards, he had an interview where he condemned the other heels
>  and they came out and beat him up until Steve Simpson made the save.
>  On the next shows, he Dingo was face.
>  
>  Another tag match had him team with Rick Rood vs. Kevin & Mike von
>  Erich.  The von Erichs won by DQ when Rick knocked over the referee
>  and Dingo and Rick got into a little to further set up Dingo's 
>  popularity with the fans.  It was weird seing Rick & Dingo side
>  by side.

>                                                       Herb...

I remember watching WCCW in its early days on ESPN where Rude and 
the Dingo were somewhat of a team with the same lady manager.
Of course this didn't last to long.  After one match, a disagreement
between the two broke out and I remember Dingo lifting Rude off the 
ground while choking him at the same time.  From what I can remember,
Rude then showed up on WCW.  Not too long after,  that I saw a WWC match
(When I still watched it) between Rip "The Crippler" Oliver and 
a newcomer to the WWF, the Ultimate Warrior.  Needless to say,
my hero "The Crippler" got squashed.  Since I wasn't real familiar 
with the Dingo Warrior, it took me a while to figure out where I
had seen him before.

Rip Oliver was a mainstay of Portland Wrestling for about 10 years.

Just adding a bit of noltalgia,

Mark
From: clay@hydra1d.cs.utk.edu (Clay Breshears)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Kamala's keeper & his silly name
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:05:45 GMT
Organization: Ragnarok Cafe -- Jotunnheim
Distribution: world
Reply-To: clay@cs.utk.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1d.cs.utk.edu

In article <3357@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
|> Just a silly side comment - 
|> 
|> Kamala's keeper/trainer is named Kim Chi (not sure of the spelling).
|> 
|> There is a Korean food made of cabbage & hot spices, kind of the
|> Korean version of saurkraut, called "kim chi". (Reliable sources
|> here at work say it tastes terrible!) 
|> 
|> Regardless of the spelling of Kamala's keeper, his name and the 
|> Korean dish are phonetically identical.
|> 
|> It's a bit like calling someone's manager 'Stuffed Cabbage'. Is
|> there an inside joke to this, or is it just a miserable coincidence?

Probably coincidence.  Reminds me of the spy in James Clavell's _Noble_House_, 
Chu Toi (chew toy).  I kept waiting for them to release the dogs on him,  
"Rex, Fido, Spot!  Get Chu Toi!  Chu Toi!  Fetch, boys!" :-) 

OBwrestling: 
What's the name of Razor Ramon's "Diamond Death Drop" these days?  Spent a 
week watching WWF Superstars yesterday morning.  The sound was too low to hear 
any announcements of moves.

					clay
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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>What about Ultimate Warrior? Was he ever a heel as Dingo Warrior?
> 
>                    Dave the Scouser.


   Yes, he entered WCCW under Percy Pringle's management and played the heel.
I have the match where he did his face turn on tape, and just watched it 
yesterday.  A truly horrendous match.  It's Dingo/Sawyer/Borne vs. Kevin/
Mike/Lance Von Erich (WCCW six man champs).  Sawyer and Borne refuse to tag
Dingo for some unexplained reason.  Dingo does the job for Kevin, then whips
Pringle's ass, followed by a brief whipping of Sawyer and Borne.
   I am not in any way exagerrating when I say that Hellwig executed three
moves the whole match (punch, slam, clothesline).  Not even a kick thrown in
for good measure.  He was absolutely awful, and doesn't look much better now.  

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From: jtr@archie.pd-nap.compuserve.com (Joe Rohde)
Subject: Re: CIS<>Usenet access
Organization: None here
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:52:21 GMT

In article <Tc7mPB1w164w@moosevax.cojones.com> sean@moosevax.cojones.com (Sean P. Ryan) writes:
  
>Compu$erve is actually on the Internet but they don't allow any connections 
>whatsoever. 

Interesting assumption.  Nope.  CIS is not on the Internet, except for
a few test machines.  Production CIS is well known to use an X.25
network, and there are no Internet connections.  (The machine you
referenced earlier works as a TCP/IP<->X.25 gateway, so you can
call that 'Internet' if you want...I guess).

>As for Usenet stuff on Compu$erve, they take in about 100 newsgroups on 
>their system.

Umm ... I don't think so.  There is not even a hint of a feed to
the production environment.

The only Internet link that CIS users have is mail.  Mail can be
sent to CIS in the form xxxxx.xxxx@compuserve.com.  (x's are the
user id with the comma switched to a period).  CIS users can mail
out to internet as >INTERNET:user@address.

Not trying to start a flame war, just clarifying some facts.

Joe
From: mathis@infonode.ingr.com (Mike Mathis)
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits - 08/13
Reply-To: mike@mathis.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:37:35 GMT

hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
> - The current run of Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair matches end with
>   Curt Hennig giving Flair a foreign object, Flair laying out Savage,
>   Flair hiding the object under his arm, Flair being awarded the title, 
>   Flair raising his arm in victory only to drop the object and the
>   referee reversing the decision.

I saw this match 8/10 in Huntsville, AL.  It was a nice reward for
sitting through 4 1/2 hours of TV-taping squashes.  Flair worked one
other match (pinning Joey Maggs), but he saved the best for this match.
He was working a granny at ringside into a frenzy -- "I told you to sit
down and shut up!"...slap Savage in the face..."Woo - that was for you,
sweetheart."  Vince forgot to tell most of the crowd that Flair is a
heel; he got pops almost as big as Savage.  The in-ring work was **, but
both wrestlers worked the crowd ****.  Unfortunately, this match was not
taped.

Two points of interest were that after Flair used the foreign object, he
first put it in his trunks, then reached back in to get it and put it
under his arm.  Guess he almost forgot the script.  Then after Savage
left with the belt, Flair blamed Hennig for the loss and they almost
came to blows, but eventually made up and left together.

Several Samoans apparently were having tryouts.  Their matches weren't
taped, but two wrestled as a tag-team with a third as their manager.
Then out came the fourth, "Wild Man."  I would guess that his butt is
about 4 feet across.

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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: Another stupid prediction...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:11:40 GMT

In article <16kil0INNhm4@maggie.cs.widener.edu> andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert An
dracsek) writes:
>From the man who predicted that Jake Roberts would be the next WCW
>champ comes another stupid prediction:  Hacksaw will do a heel turn
>next week on the syndies!  Why the hell else would they put together
>such a horrendous (yes, I did like that word...) six man tag match?
>Duggan and the whackers against...  damn, can't remember, think it's
>the beverly's or the Nasty boys and someone else...  But what
>happened the last time we had a six-man tag match with the whackers on
>the syndies?  Tugboat/Typhoon's heel turn.  And what has Hacksaw been
>doing lately?  Not a whole hell of a lot, from what I've heard...
>
>As before, add :)'s to taste  (gee, think they'll see this one, John?)
>--
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>|        OFF of my desk!"  - Mac, Night Court


Nice try, but someone already reported on this T.V. tapping, and nothing was 
said about a heel turn.
                                               David Kempster
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Always a Heel?
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:37:09 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

Jared, I don't believe Mr. Saito was always a heel...wasn't he
a face for a couple months in AWA?  I sorta remember him holding
the title for a while as a face, but for some reason clocking
Hulk Hogan with a trophy during a TV interview.  I believe this
not only got Saito over as a heel once again, but served to 
help start the shoving of Hogan down our throats as a mega-face.

On a similar note, I saw him a few months ago on tape and he
looked *great*.  Has lost weight since the WWF/AWA days, and
looks a lot more like the Saito we all knew during the days of
Roy Shire's promotion out here (when he teamed with Kenji 
Shibuya).

However....

   wasn't Mr. Fuji always a heel?  I do not remember him 
   ever being put over as anything but completely sneaky.

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(William Grant) writes...
>There has been some discussion about wrestlers who HAVEN'T done a
>face or Heel turn.  The only 5 that seem to keep coming up are:
> 
>Tito Santana
>Jerry Lawler
>Owen Hart
>JYD
>Koko B. Ware (although there has been some speculation of a heel turn prior
>to his current stint in the WWF)

   Just to add to this, didn't Lawler play the heel in his feud with Kerry
Von Erich a few years back, or not?  He's been around so long, with all his
fire-throwing antics and all, it's hard for me to believe he's never played
the heel in his entire career.  You mean Bill Dundee was always the heel in
those feuds with Lawler?
    Also, I don't know if Brian Pillman has ever turned.  If he did, it would 
have to have been in Stampede, which I was never able to follow here in 
Buffalo.  Other than that, he's been strictly face.  The record for longest
uninterupted face run (assuming Lawler played the heel at some point) goes to
Rick Steamboat.   
    Other candidates for a no-turn career (which I am frankly not sure about)
and who at the very least have done very long runs without a change include:
    Scott Steiner, Tom Zenk, Arn Anderson, Steve Austin, Barbarian and 
Warlord (or were they once faces as Powers of Pain??), Greg Valentine, Kevin
Nash in various incarnations, Dallas Page, El Gigante, Chris Chavis, Kamala,
Carlos Colon and the obnoxious Marcus Alexander Bagwell (altough a heel turn
for this bozo would be a good idea).  These are off the top of my head and may
be inaccurate.
    Any info on the heel or face turns of these gentlemen, please post.

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From: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Reply-To: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:32:56 GMT


In a previous article, andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek) says:

>
>Ok, when was papa Dusty a heel?  And how convincing was he?
>

Back in Florida when he started off.  He and Dick Murdoch were
the Outlaws.

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From: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Reply-To: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:18:43 GMT


In a previous article, shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) says:

>In article <92225.134711343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>
>Arn Anderson?

Face early in his career in Mid-Atlantic.  Uncle Ole saved him from Ellering's
Legion of Doom where he had been brainwashed.  Not to mention the horsemen's
brief face stint.

>Rick Steiner (The Dog-Breath Cretin) - has he ever done a "smart turn"?

Was smart early in his career, the stupid gimmick started when he joined the
Vansity club.  He was a heel in Mid-South, teaming with Sting and winning
the tag titles, while being managed by Eddie Gilbert.


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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW Goings-On...
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Herb,

  >  that you are a fan of All Japan.  In that case, you must have an
  >  understanding of all the submission-type maneuvers and wear-down
  >  holds that take place in the typical All Japan match.  Almost all
  >  of their matches have a segment with this style, building to the
  >  final 5 minutes or so where the big moves and near falls take place
  >  before somebody gets pinned or submits (to one of those very same

I see what Bob is saying.  In their matches, they have had all of the
stuff leading up to the hot finish, but they haven't had the hot finish.

  >    - the Steiners don't sell well working this style of match

I have seen them do it in the past.  It is a matter of them wanting to.

  >    - while they do pick up the pace, they don't build to the *really*
  >      hot final 5 or so minutes like in All Japan

Exactly.  They have to change the booking philosophy or these matches
will just come off as boring.

HK>  Don't waste your money yet.  Dusty & Bill are bringing the tapes
  >  of the tourney back from Japan and it's still likely we'll see
  >  some or all of it on a WCW broadcast.

In case they don't, I have it.
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From: 11mwarner@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: SETUPS
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:21:57 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug20.194718.9990@ncsu.edu>, dlmace@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID LEE MACE) writes:


Ahhhhhh!  What's with the damn all caps????
 
> FIRST TIME POSTER TO THIS NEWSGROUP...

*eyes popping out of my head onto the screen*
 
> IF SOMEONE WOULD RESPOND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT...... THANKS

You're welcome

						PSYCHO

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: ratings
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug17.135050.3053@memstvx1.memst.edu>, beninsd@memstvx1.memst.edu writes...
>The GWF and one Whiff syndicated show will be off the air in Memphis as on 1
>Sept.  The ratings were non existent.


   Out of curiosity, how does the USWA do in the ratings, and how do they
draw at the Coliseum compared to the WWF?  I know the WWF has slipped in many
cities (they no longer run shows here in Buffalo), but is that because wrestling
in general has slipped, or just the Whiff?  I'm curious to hear from anybody
else who lives in a city where the WWF has slipped.  I'd be willng to bet there
are many of them...

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**************************************************       -Gov. Jerry Brown