HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chepan@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Parthasarathy Nambi)
Subject: Tamil for non-tamils!
Summary: Need books on tamil for non-tamils
Keywords: Tamil
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:07:45 GMT

 Mr. Patrick Jost is interested in learning tamil. Does anyone
know where he can material (books, audio tapes etc) that can be
used by Mr. Jost to learn tamil on his own.

 If abyone know of a bookstore in the US where such materials are
 sold please post the information in this group.

 P.Nambi
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Politics of TN and TE
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:39:06 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

Those who are interested in discussing about politics of TN, TE
etc. should vote for the new newsgroup currently in voting.

e-mail to   talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi

The mail CONTENTS should contain just the line
exactly as shown below.

Y    talk.politics.asia.south
From: asrini@sanjuan (Anand Srinivasan)
Subject: ...S Ve Sekar Jokes...
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, CANADA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:08:00 GMT


Oru Sondha Veedu Vadagai Veedu Aagirathu 
----------------------------------------

Characters : Kamala(KM) is Sekar(SV)'s girlfriend.

SV : enna kamala ungappa josier kitta namba jadagathai kuduthara?

KM : Jadagathai kuduka ponavaru josierai parthuttu oodi vanthutAAr.

SV : aen?

KM : Josierukku Aaru viralAAm!

SV : enna Kamala, aaru viral irukkaradhu indha kaalathila sagajam.

KM : Aiyo!! Aarum KaTTa viralaam!@!
.
.
.

Characters : Sekar(SV), his father (AP), and neighbour (NB)

SV : Illappaa, naan kamalavaththaan kattipaen.

AP : illada kanna, namma Jambulingathoda ponna paruda. yow, andha
	photova kamidha (to NB)

SV : (seeing the photo), ayyayoo, ponnukku dhadi meesai ennaividha
	perusaa irukkae, vendampa

AP : (to neighbour) Yow! ponnodha photovai kamikkachonna, Jambulinghathoda
	photovai kamikkiriyae!

SV :  pathingala! naan mattum andha photovai parthuttu aamamnu solli-irundaenna,
	rendu aambalaigaloda vazhkaiyae paazhayirukkum!

SV : (seeing the girl's photo), indha ponnukku avan appanae thevalai!

.
.
.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: dorai@cs.rice.edu (Dorai Sitaram)
Subject: Re: ...S Ve Sekar Jokes...
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:13:10 GMT

What's the setup behind writing S. Ve. Sekar's initials thusly?  As
far as I can piece it, a Tamizh initial is the initial syllable
(sometimes two as in Ira. Cezhiyan, or Azha. Azhakappan, e.g.).
Presumably "Ve." is such a Tamizh initial -- it is a syllable and
can't be an English initial.  However "S." can't be a Tamizh initial
-- it is not a syllable --, although its monoalphabetitude could make
it an English initial.  Is the mixup of the initial styles deliberate?
Comical even?

Kuzhappattut'an,

--d
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dorai@titan.rice.edu   !    It may be that the gulfs will wash us down;
dorai@owlnet.rice.edu  !      it may be we shall touch the Happy Isles.
From: sundar@informix.com (Ramanathan Sundararajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Kavidhai enra pyaril oru azhugai..
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:29:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: sundar@devi


                   Pidipatra pattali
		   -----------------
 
Nattai naadathoru kootam                   
Vidhi vilaiyadum veediyil
Sadhi seyyuum Saadhi kodumai
Adhil irundu makkal thedinar Aadhiyai
Pidipilladu palarum pidhiyil
Naadhiyatravar ayenar kanner nadhiyil....

Kan irundum kaanar
Panam izhanda nadai pinangal
Ganam izhandu gaanam padikka
Nadu ulagil naadu marinar   
Podiyum sumandu podum enrilladu
Vasai sollai kanakilladu alandanar vaasamilldu..
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: VALLUVAR & KANNADASAN
Date: 21 Jul 1992 10:52:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      Re : VALLUVAR & KANNADASAN
    -----------------------------

> Prabhukumar Ganapathy writes :
 
>This is another cine song by Kanndasan ( I think so, if not
>just point it out in your posting) following two lines occur


>	Nan Unnai  paarthaal nee mannai paarkirai
>	Nan Vinnai paarthaal nee ennai  paarkirai
  
    Kannadasan's lines are similar         
 to above, but you are quoting
 them wrong. In the song,
   "nEtRu varai nee yaarO,
               naan yaarO, 
    indRu mudhal nee vERO,
                naan vERO",
 
 Kannadasan writes ( the song is
 performed by P.B.Srinivas ),
 " unnai naan paarkkum pOdhu
      maNNai nee paarkkinRaayE,
   viNNai naan paarkkum pOdhu
      ennai nee paarkkinRaayE."


>Of course VALLUVAR conveys the same things in his KURAL

>	YanNokkin Nilam Nokkum YanNokakkaal
>	ThanNokki Mella Nagum

   You are quoting the kuRaL also
 wrong. The kuRaL ( VaLLuvar ) is

  " yaan_nOkkum kaalai nilan_nOkkum nOkkaakkaal
    thaan_nOkki mella nagum."



>Of course I like this KURAL very much.
   
  Of course, I can see it from the
 way you are quoting it.

> More about Kannadasan  when I find time.


>PK
                         - tamizh_nEsan.
-------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: mohan@eiffel.tele.nokia.fi (Lavanya-Mohan)
Subject: Re: TE News - Ignore the news!
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications Oy, Espoo, Finland
	<Bs8CM0.MD8@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1992Jul31.051155.19955@access.usask.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.051155.19955@access.usask.ca> sundaram@skorpio.usask.ca (Meenakshi Sundaram) writes:

   > Who is this meenan vishnu? He seems to be a stubborn idiot. 
							  ^^^^^

Please mind your language. I think it is this type of postings, which in fact
would degrade this newsgroup, not those news postings.


   > Is it possible to control the distribution so that the SCT messages are
   > not delivered to his site?

   > -Meenakshi Sundaram.


If you post to this group more often, he might want to do it himself!!!


Mohan


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From: ravi@socrates.umd.edu (Ravi Sinnarajah)
Subject: Re: varalaaRRil oru Edu
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:47:17 GMT

mots@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (MotSeeni) writes:

>ravi@socrates.umd.edu (Ravi Sinnarajah) writes:

>>mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
>......
>>......
>> - Koraan (in Tamil): the first translation (contrary to the 
>>   'fundamentalist belief' of keeping KORAN as it is...)
>>......
>> - Others including nayinaair mukammathu [a speaker from  
>>   naahoor (?!), of 4th tamil world conference, yaazhppaaNam fame], 

>      I guess you are referring to Dr. Naynar Mohammad from Tiruchy.  He was 
>   the Principal of Jamal Mohammad College, Tiruchy.  It seems when he was
>   delivering the lecture at the YaazhppaNam conference, there was a police
>   firing at the crowd resulting in a big stampade or something like that.
>   Could someone clarify on this?

World Tamil Conference was held in YaazhppaaNam in 1974 despite
SL Govt's attempts to prevent it from taking place.  Its success
was due to the "united/concerted" efforts of youth and other
Tamil organizations who worked relentlessly and tirelessly,
many of whom didn't care for any name recognization.
[The participants were so overwhelmed by the efforts/Tamil
 virunthOmpal(hospitality) that they christened
 iLai_neer (the swwet water from tender Coconut) as, 
 "eezha neer"...   ;-)

Both iraa. Sanaarththanam and Naynaar mukammathu were "hot"
speakers who were barred by the SL Govt. from entering into
the country.  Somehow, they managed to get in and they were
supposed to speak on the last nite of the conference in the
yaazhppaaNam open air stadium.  The people came to know about 
it and there was a big crowd spilling over everywhere.  
When Nainaar mukammathu started to speak, police came in jeeps 
and pushed through the crowd...shots were fired...lights were
shot at...power lines were cut...---electrocution...stampede... 
- a "bloody incident" in the history...

Epilogue:
         - Sivakumaaran, a youth became a hero - he and his friends 
	   assured safety to the womyn...;  11 youths were killed 
	   that night, thus was the begining of the youth movements.
         - The police inspector who oversaw the incident [escaped
	   two(?!) attempts on his life by the youth] and was later
	   given promotion [by the Govt.]...
	 - The Tamils saw the 2nd renaisance: they determined to
	   foster their culture.  The 'Brtishisms..." became vague
	   and lost its once held luster [in yaazhppaaNam]...


vaNakkam,
/iravi.

PS: The above has been constructed from my memory [and hence, I would
    appreciate if someone could correct any errors in this report]...

>>PS: [All] Std. disclaimers do apply [as always...]   ;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rvr4730@tamuts.tamu.edu (Ravi Venkatesh R)
Subject: LTTE and all that crab
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:03:12 GMT

Hello everybody

After seeing the net for the last few days I came to the conclusion
that it is not worth subscribing to it anymore.  There is guy
who uses this newsgroup to propagate LTTE and TE idealogies
and casting doubt about the Indian Judiciary, CBI and Rajiv's
assasination.  I don't want to be a part of this news group
anymore.  I did'nt imagine that this will become a junk so soon.

Bye!!

Ramanathan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: News
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:26:27 GMT


Headlines from 'Canada eezanaadu' newspaper (21-27 July, 1992)

(1) 13 vayathil paddathaariyaana ilankaic ciRuvan
    (photo included)
    Briton in kuRaintha vayathil paddathaariyaana eezaththu thamiz
    ciRuvanukku 'Sun' paththirikai kaurava aasiriyar pathavi
    vazankik kauraviththathu.

(2) pulihaLudan yuththam ceyya 12 pOr vimaanangaL thEvai
    vimaanap padai arasidal kOrikkai

(3) cithamparam (inthiya uLthuRai iNai amaiccar)  raajinamaa

(4) inap-piraccanaikku theervukaaNa vENdumaayin pulihaLudan pEccu nadaththiyE
    aahavENdum. therivuk-kuzuvinaal theervu kaaNavum mudiyaathu enkiRaar
    mothilaal nehru.

(5) pOraLihalukku aayutha payiRci: inthiyaavin thaRkolai koLhai
    (thamizahaththin police maa-athipar thiru kE. mohanthaas)

(6) inthiya meenavarhaL meethu kadaRpadai thuppaakki coodu

(7) France-India viNveLi koodduRavu

(8) yaaz. kadal Eriyil payaNaththukku thadai
    karaiyOrap pahuthi iraaNuvaththinar vasam

(9) narasimma raavai pathaviyilirunthu ahaRRa Jeyalalitha muyaRci
    (munnaaL 'times of india' paththiraihaiyaaLar pi.kE.ravinthiranaath
     kuRRac caaddu)

(10) paaparasarukku caththira cihiccai

Meenan Vishnu
From: shankar@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Shankar Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Kannadasan in guest appearances
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:50:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

As far as I know, Kannadasan has made guest appearances in two tamil
movies, singing songs: Raththath Thilagam ( Oru kOppayilae en kudiyiruppu)
and Suriyagandhi ( Paramasivan Kazhuthilirundhu ). Do any of you know
of any other movies where he has made appearances in a guest role? 
As far as I know, he has played the lead role in Karuppu Panam( which
was also produced by him). The other movies he had produced include
Maalayitta Mangai and a Chandrababu film ( forgot the name offhand).

Shankar
From: thivi@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: University of Jaffna/ Vacancies
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:57:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center





		UNIVERSITY OF JAFFNA, SRILANKA

		DEPARTMENT OF COMPUTER SCIENCE	



	Post of Senior Lecturer Grade I, Senior Lecturer Grade II and
			Assistant Lecturer,


	Applications are invited for the posts of Senior lecturer Grade I
	Senior lecturer Grade II and Assistant Lecturer in the Computer
	Science Department in the University of Jaffna. Prospective applicants
	for Senior lecturers should have a post graduate degree in computer
	science while those for assistant lecturer should have a degree with
	Computer science as a subject. The closing date is 31st August,  1992.
	Applicants should send a full curriculum vitae naming two refrees to 

	The Registrar,
	University of Jaffna,
	Jaffna,
	SRI LANKA.

	The monthly salary scales (in Sri lanakan rupees) are as follows;

	Senior Lecturer Grade I  Rs 11 000 - 6x250 - 12 500
	Senior Lecturer Grade II Rs  8 000 - 5x250 -  9 250
	Assistant Lecturer	 Rs  4 500 - 10x200-  6 500


	Prof. Gunaratnam
	Head/ Computer Science. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:470 alt.culture.tamil:1082
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: TN News: Court proceedings of Rajiv assasination censored
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:26:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Jul30.192628.4870
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <Bs7out.IyG@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
>
>News item from 'ulahath thamizar' (15-07-1992)
>(Rough Translation)
>
>
>Rajiv kolai vazakku visaaraNai
>makkaL cevihaL En moodappaddana ?
>
>(Rajiv assassination court case
> Why censorship ?)
>
>The court hearing of Rajiv's assaination has started with 'palaththa
>banthObasthu' in the 'puRanagar' area.
>
>The court has ordered that no one should publish the court proceedings.
>Anyone who publishes would be imprisoned for one year and fined Rs.1000.
>
>Why is this censorship in India the largest democarcy in the world ?
>It is a common rule (pothu vithi) that in democratic countries, the details
>of court hearings be known to the populace.
>
>Despite the fact that LTTE has denied any involvement in the assasination,
>the Indian government has put the blame on LTTE and have arrested many
>TE Tamils.  It is expected that, during the court hearing, many of the
>TE Tamils will speak about the IPKF atrocities.  These would be
>published daily in the Indian newspapers.  This might create an
>emotional backlash (uNarvalaihaL) against the IPKF and Indian government.
>The officials have censored to prevent such a backlash.
>
>In the CBI 'kuRRap-paththirikai', it is mentioned that the suicide
>killer was a rape victim of IPKF.  kaRpup paRRi athiham pEsappadum
>inthiya maNNil ic-ceYthi ippeNNil ceYalukku niyaayam kaRpikkum enpathil
>aiyamillai.
>
>(In India where there is a lot of talk of 'kaRpu', this claim of CBI
>may justify the assasination among the populace)
>
>vicaaraNai veLivarumaayin ithu pOnRa palvEru viparangaLum naaLaantham
>thodarnthu veLivarumaayin athu arasin eNNaththiRku maaRaay amainthu
>vidum ena eNNi thadai uththaravu piRappikkap padduLLathu
>
>ithu makkaLaith thaddi ezuppi arasin nOkkaththiRku ethiraana puthiyathOr
>theerppai makkaL kodukkum nilai uruvaahi vidum enRu anciyE inthiya
>arasu ippadi nadanthuLLathu.
>
>
>Meenan Vishnu 

Nalla kaRpanai. Thamizhaga makkaLukku nanRaaga theriyum "En, etharku, eppadi
intha padu kolai nadandhathendru. Indhiya arasaangathin intha ragasiya vazhakku
nadavadikkai visaaranaikku udhava mattume enRu naan eNNugirEn. Aanaal pala
arasiyal thalaigaL intha visaaranayil uruLakkoodum. Adhai makkaLidam irunthu
maRaikkavaum ivvaaru Indhiya arasaangam nadanthirukkalaam.

CheithigaLai munthitharum Meenan Vishnu avargaLe, Ulagathamizhar pathirikkai 
LTTE'yin pathirikkaiyO enRu enakku aiyam. Aiyappaattai neekka antha pathirikkai
yaaraal nadathap padugirathu enRu thayavu seithu kooRavum. 

SCT'il cheithigaLai neengaL pOduvathil thappillai, aanaal antha cheithigaL
oru amaippin(LTTE) prechaarap pathirikkaiyilirunthu varavEndaamE.

Naan en manathil pattathai ezhuthiyirukkirEn. Thavaru iruppin mannikkavum.

UngaL naNban
M.P.Premkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: siva@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: TE NEWS - PLEASE STOP
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:30:24 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <19429@plains.NoDak.edu>, ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
> 
> Hi
> 
> 
> As already pointed out by some netters let us not get into
> trouble because of TE stuff.
> 
> 
> TO THE PERSON WHO IS POSTING THIS "RUBBISH" :
> 
>    PLEASE STOP IT.
> 
>    Don't force us to feel bad for voting "YES" to SCT.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> PK


   To the Person Who is Posting TE News:

            Please CONTINUE to Post.

    The netters can surely skip the item if they dont
    want to read, and make up their own mind INDIVIDUALLY
    what is propaganda and what is not. This is only reporting
    of news, and not discussing politics.

    To the contrary, there has already been discussion of politics
     in this net. And please do not pretend that there would not be
    a reporting and a discussion if there were to be a new turn of
    events in Tamil Nadu. Siva.
From: palaniap@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Murugan Palaniappan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: old Tamil magazines
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:38:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ

If anybody has one year old Tamil magazines preferably anada vikatan, 
kumudham may reply for this posting.  I am looking for some magazines to
read and you can mail them to me.  I am even willing to pay for them.

Please mail your reply to my account
          
                 palaniap@enuxha.eas.asu.edu

and please do not reply on the net, so that we can save some bw.

Thanx,
murugan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: mohan@eiffel.tele.nokia.fi (Lavanya-Mohan)
Subject: Re: TN News: Court proceedings of Rajiv assasination censored
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications Oy, Espoo, Finland
	<1992Jul30.192628.4870@coe.montana.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.192628.4870@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:

   > Nalla kaRpanai. Thamizhaga makkaLukku nanRaaga theriyum "En, etharku, 
   > eppadi
   > intha padu kolai nadandhathendru. Indhiya arasaangathin intha ragasiya 
   > vazhakku
   > nadavadikkai visaaranaikku udhava mattume enRu naan eNNugirEn. Aanaal pala
   > arasiyal thalaigaL intha visaaranayil uruLakkoodum. Adhai makkaLidam
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   > irunthu
     ^^^^^^^
   > maRaikkavaum ivvaaru Indhiya arasaangam nadanthirukkalaam.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   > [Parts deleted ...]

   > M.P.Premkumar


arachiyal thalaivarkaL champanthappattiruppathai maRaippathu, athuvum athai
arasAngkamE cheivathu chariya? yAr yAr champanthappattiruppinum evvitha pAku-
pAtumillAthu uNmaiyaik kaNtaRin^thu natavadikkai etuppathallavA niyAyam? athai
vituththu thamakku vENtiyavarkaLin kuRRangkaLai maRaiththu vENtAthavarkaLai
kuRRavALikaLakak kAttuvathu uNmaiyAna nIthivisAraNaiyAkumA?

Mohan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: Book Info.
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:31:56 GMT

TITLE:  "Regionalism and Religion
         The Tamil Renaissance and Popular Hinduism"
AUTHOR: Charles Ryerson

(From the back cover of the book)

About the Book:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This book is a study of Tamil Nadu, the state in South India of 
Tamil speaking people, especially of the period 1949-1972
when the region experienced a renaissance which was reflected 
in a political and cultural party, the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam
(Progressive Dravidian Federation).  Based on research done for
a doctoral dissertation (at Columbia University, U.S.A) but 
revised considerably, it focuses on the religious dimensions and
consequences on which little has been written.  The D.M.K., as 
it is popularly known, split into two at the close of 1972 because
of personality differences, but the Dravidian movement remains
the most important political and cultural force in Tamil Nadu.
While the study describes the development of an articulate Tamil
regionalism, it also furthers an understanding of political-cultural
processes throughout India.

About the Author
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Beginning at the American College, Madurai, Dr. Ryerson spent several
years in India on variational educational programmes. A former associate
of the C.I.S.R.S., he is now teaching at Princeton Theological Seminary/
University, U.S.A.


Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: Indus Scripts
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:16:45 GMT

In article <Bs8C9t.Ltq@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
>Indus Scripts
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 [List of papers omitted]

>In these and other papers, Prof. Kak has given "evidence" that the
>Indus valley civilization is indeed an Aryan civilazation based on
>Rig-Vedic traditions and not a Pre-Aryan (Dravidian) tradition as
>had been "wrongly" concluded by Western researchers.
>
>S.R. Rao, Superintendent of the Indian Archeological Department, 
>insists that he has deciphered the Indus script and it is Aryan. 
>[S.R.Rao, "Indus Script deciphered", The Illustrated Weekly of India"
> 12 Dec 1971, pp21-5]
>
>Fairly recent article in the Scientific American, by a distinguished
>scholar named Walter A. Fairservis, Jr. "The Script of the Indus Valley
>Civilization", Sci. Am. March 1983, pp 58-66 argues that the Indus
>language is "early Dravidian".
>
>Unfortunately very little is being done by the Tamils, to counter
>what I believe to be a mis-information campaign by some Indian 
>researchers on this issue.
>
>Meenan Vishnu

I don't get it.  All you have done so far is to show there is a
difference of opinion among scholars. On what basis do you declare one
group of them to be "mis-information campaign."  In order to make this
claim stick, you need to show two things: one that the theories of
Prof. Kak and Dr. Rao are wrong, and two, that they know it is wrong, and
are propagating it for some ulterion motives.  It seems to me
you have shown or even remotely argued for neither.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Is Thirukkural a jainist work ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
               You are right.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:00:24 GMT

>    'kuRaL' in general is a special case of 'veNpa' type verse
>    with two lines and seven 'ceer'. So not all kuRaLs were written
>    by ThiruvaLLuvar and hence doesn't come under any adhikaaram. There
>    are many non-thirukkuRaL kuRaLs. Best example is a kuRaL on
>    thirukkuRaL itself, supposedly composed by Auvaiyaar.
>
>    kadugaith thuLaiththEzh kadalaip pugatti
>    kuRugath thaRiththa kuRaL.
>

     This was composed by poet Idaikkadar.  The one written by Auvaiyar is the 
same but the first 'ceer' is  'aNuvaith'.

     I was wondering in my childhood days that Auvaiyar did know the scientific
fact that atom is the fundamental particle of all elements and she had used a
scientific term in poetry.

     Another kuRal in which TiruvaLLuvar used the weapon 'thuppakki' but not 
with the meaning of gun.

     thupparkku thuppaya thuppakki thupparkku
     thuppaya thUvum maZhai.


S. Sankarapandi
ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu