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From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:32:31 GMT
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.


>In article <1dbvodINNc1n@uwm.edu>, justice@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael John Stiehl) writes:
> 	So the question is, could the Hulk in his present form change into a
> 	human form?  I know he told Betty that she had to get used to him in
> 	his new green Hulk form because after all he'd been exposed to gamma
> 	rays, but it seams strange to me to think that in this new form he 
> 	can't change into a human form.

Thing was, that his body form was indicative of what personality was in
control. The current Hulk personality isn't the Bruce Banner personality,
hence the body doesn't look like the way Bruce Banner used to look. This
concept was explored a bit when a geneticist commented to Banner during
his janitor days that Bruce Banner staying Bruce Banner when his DNA had
been mucked up was a lot more of a puzzle than the Hulk.

In article <1992Nov6.123445.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>It seems pretty apparent that Bruce has full control over his body by just
>conceiving it.  When that guy from the U-Foes flayed him down to bones, he
>survived and recovered.  Not healed, just got better.  When that guy who was
>after Atalanta shot the Hulk, he really put a hole through him, and he got
>better.  If Bruce believes he's OK, he's OK.  Doc Samson must be one hell of a
>psychologist.

Wrong. Hulk has an insanely fast regeneration ability. Even faster than ol'
Wolvierine. That's how the Hulk was able to survive his fight with the same
X-Man as no matter how fast Wolverine sliced into the Hulk, the Hulk healed
almost instantly afterwards. The Hulk isn't quite as armored as people think
he just heals fast enough to appear that way.


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: new HELLBLAZER reader...needs background...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:44:42 GMT

andrew@cs.chalmers.se (Andrew Moran) writes:
>Alt.mythology?  You mean there's a place on the net other than Hellblazer and
>Sandman threads in r.a.c to discuss mythology?  Anyway, the passage that was
>misread seems to imply that Lucifer should really be identified with
>Nebuchadnezzar (sp?).  Can anyone shed any light on how the big N. becomes
>the First of the Fallen (in HB's version of mythology or any other)?

The big N. is just viewed as a badass, the king of Babylon...  however
the text makes it somewhat easy to confuse with the Fall.  If you do
that, then the person being refered to is Satan.  And the Latin
Vulgate translates the Hebrew "morning star" as Lucifer.  So you get
Satan=Lucifer.  Two misunderstandings.

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: Re: JC: Hellblazer, and crossovers of same
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.005248.7963@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
>>>Just curious, but in what other books has "Gaiman's Death" appeared?
>>
>
>Abhijit answers: 
>Sandman, Sandman Special
>Books of Magic # 4
>Legion of Super-Heroes #38
>Lobo's Back
>Ambush Bug Nothing Special
>DC's Who's Who
>Captain Atom (#39?-#43?)  [plus some commentary]
>
>Chuck would like to add:
>Cerebus, Mothers and Daughters #3?
>
>She appears in one panel, underneath the word "DEATH!" in real big letters,
>so I think it's pretty safe to assume it's her.
>
and SCAVENGER 2099 would like to add:

a back-up story in X-MEN CLASSICS (#?)
    it was around the time they were doing the Phoenix Saga.  Jean/Phoenix
was having a conversation with the Workman guy (Claremont's death figure), he
shifted through his various forms (ie.to the Different visages of death-like
the Grim Reaper) and one of those forms was the Gaiman death.


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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Michael R Escutia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: penciller for darkstar ads
Date: 13 Nov 1992 01:11:10 GMT
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In article <BxLGG6.Azz@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>Who is pencilling the nice Darkstars advertisments. It is
>not Mignola. 
>
>Jed
>
>PS What is Mike McKone (spelling?) doing ?

I've seen the ads only once, but I think it's Travis Charest...the magnificent 
new artist on the series, as of #4.
						--MikE
I need a new sig for sure!
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Murders at Gaiman Manor (really Sandman)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:43:46 GMT

You left out the most powerful being on Earth (from earlier in the 
series):

Lucifer
Reason: his 'brief life' on earth might have gotten boring.
Alibi: none
and he's got more mobility than Orpheus.  ;-)

I don't think this would be the time for a revolt by Lucien (sp?)
unless he'd made a deal with someone like Lucifer.  Nobody else is 
powerful enough to try to block Morpheus' power in the heart of the
Dreaming.

Personally I think Delirium might be more capable than anyone thinks.
Her appearance in Season of Mists #0 was a hint that she knew more 
and wanted a chance to prove it.

later, david
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Curiosity:  what kind of deals do y'all get?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 03:20:18 GMT

I'm really curious.  Most of us here buy a fair number of comics.  I'm inter-
ested to know what kind of deals other netters get.  Do you get a discount on
new issues?  Does your retailer give out a lot of freebie stuff?  Does he
offer bulk preorder deals?  This kind of stuff.

Post or e-mail, so I can summarize.

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From: sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward)
Subject: Re: lsh back issues
Distribution: rec
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:41:21 PST

"donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com> writes:

>     I have been thinking of picking up some back issues of Legion of
>Super-Heroes, after all the recent traffic on how good it used to be. Is
>there any particular place I should start (ie. good storylines) in order
>to get a feel for the series?

Adventure 340 and 341.  A sentimental favorite, the first LSH issues I
picked up myself off the stands.  They hooked me for life.  Besides,
lots of important stuff happens including the first appearance of Duo
Damsel :), the first appearance of Computo, the (temporary) first
return of Bouncing Boy's powers, and the strangest legionnaire of them
all, the Bizarro Legionnaire.

Sidne Ward		

sward@agsm.ucla.edu
From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: METROPOL A.D.
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:23:15 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1992Nov9.163023.2944@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>Summary: 
>Expires: 
>References: <16899129A0.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> <carlinra-091192094627@129.59.101.4>
>Sender: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: 
>Organization: Universite de Montreal
>Keywords: 
>
>
>Any fans of Metropol and Metropol A.D., out there?
>
>If so, please! Write! I think it is a great comic, and I would like to 
>hear from other readers. Seeya.
>
>Majak, of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"

Yes, I`m another fan.
I`ve yet to find the collected Eddy Current in the UK yet.
It will be interesting to see where Metropol goes from here.

Slainte,
Steve
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: LSH dates....
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:14:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.143421.29318@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Okay, presuming they stay on Gregorian, if June 4 1994 is a Sunday, then June 
>4 2994 is a Monday.  So look up for 1994, eh?
>     Dave Van Domelen, amazing what you can do with a cheap calculator and a 
>little knowledge....

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing..."

OK, so let's do the math. 1000 years * 365 days = 365,000 days. Add in 250
Leap Days and you get 365,250. Divide by 7, and the remainder is 4.

Except that's not the right for Leap Days, unless you're still on the Julian
calendar. Y'see, there's this little culmative error in assuming that a year
is exactly 365.25 days long, which comes out to about a day every 128 years
or so. The Gregorian calendar, first adopted in 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII,
says that any year ending in 00 isn't a leap year...unless it's evenly
divisible by 400. So 2000 will be a Leap Year, while 2100 won't be (yes, 
for two centuries in a row [yes, I know it doesn't really begin until
2001/101], computer date programs will likely have a better than even chance
of being really out of whack. Personally, I plan to be in a cash position 
on Dec. 31, 1999). So we only add in 250 - 7 = 243 Leap Days for 365,243.
But since we subtracted 7, it does still work out to a remainder of 4. I
suspect Dave forgot that 2000, 2400, and 2800 would be Leap Days, as if they
weren't, it would work out to a remainder of 1.

So that means that June 4, 2994 does indeed turn out to be a Wednesday.
Assuming we keep adding Leap Seconds every so often that is.

"I like also the men who study the Great Pyramid, with a view to deciphering
its mystical lore. Many great books have been written on this subject, some of
which have been presented to me by their authors. It is a singular fact that
the Great Pyramid always predicts the history of the world accurately up to
the date of publication of the book in question, but after that date it
becomes less reliable." --Bertrand Russell
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From: stan@etgn06.rtp.dg.com (Stan Yen)
Subject: Re: JC: Hellblazer, and crossovers of same
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:53:23 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA.

jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes in response to:
>>In article <1992Nov6.032324.25168@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes:
>>>   I'm delighted to see posts about my favorite comic here! (It's been a  
>>>while since I have read news.)  Constantine has to be one of my favorite  
>>>characters of all time; the man has attitude!
>
>(Incidentally, I like that Death from Sandman is showing up in so many
>different comics.  I think Gaiman should be pleased that he's created such
>a good characterthat has basically become the preferred representation of
>Death, instead of the old Reaper Man.  As long as she doesn't have any
>dialogue, it's okay...)

Just curious, but in what other books has "Gaiman's Death" appeared?


-S'tan
stan@fs03.webo.dg.COM
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From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Eyes in "Brief Lives" (was: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history...)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:24:49 GMT

	As interesting as questions of history in the Dream-Destruction
flashback are, we seem to be ignoring an important motif in the arc: the
role of eyes.  Cf.: Delerium on vitreous humor, followed by Despair's
impromptu optic surgery; the "treatise on optics" cojoined with the
Corinthian's orang-outan work; the discussion of the eyes of the Endless
between Del and Dream; etc.  Any thoughts?

Cordially,

Michael S. Rooney
  
"I am El Guano.  But you can call me master."
From: lazarus@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk
Date: 7 Nov 1992 05:00:14 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <1992Nov6.123445.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

Stuff non-surgically removed...

>It seems pretty apparent that Bruce has full control over his body by just
>conceiving it. If Bruce believes he's OK, he's OK

Personally, I think it IS that the Hulk has one HELL of a healing factor.
Wolverine, eat your heart out.  (And watch it grow back.  >;)   )

>
>Joel Finkle
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From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad)
Subject: Re: What does LSH stand for?!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:15:53 GMT

9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.) writes:


>	Would someone care to explain to me what LSH mean!!!!  Give the 
>answer out on the net, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one that doesn'
>t know this!

I do believe that it stands for the Legion of SuperHeroes.  Now LNH, on the
other hand....

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Who should join Image
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:35:24 GMT

In article <visser.720994722@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>
>
>	I mean the whole idea of image....creators actually owning characters
>and taking a large share of the money is absurd and evil.  Besides which
>anyone who leaves marvel has no talent anyway.
>
>
You speak from ignorance, this is ok.  I will strive to inform you.  
The idea that the IMAGErs left 'cause they wanted to own their own characters
and the BIG 2 wouldn't let them, sounds noble.  It's wrong, but it sounds noble.

Marvel has EPIC (McFarlane should know that, it's where he started).  Epic is
composed of creater-owned (both tm and (c) ) properties.  They could have gone 
there.  As I understand it, Epic works like a book publisher: the writer gets 
an advance, and then gets the royalties.  The publisher gets a % to cover it's
cost.

DC also has creator owned stuff.  Most of it will now be found in the VERTIGO 
line (Like ENIGMA).  The creators still own tm and (c).

Dark Horse (not a big 2 but close enough) also has creator owned titles.

I'm not judging Image, If they want to publish under their own imprint, fine.
But the idea they couldn't have their creator rights at the BIG 2 is just
wrong.

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From: raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES)
Subject: Supes Death by Dr. Doom!! (See todays USA Today)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:57:54 GMT


The 11/11 issue of USA Today has a boring article on the town
of Metroplis, Ill.  It brings up the town because of Supes
imbending death. The give a brief synopsis of what is 
happening and expected to happen in the comics. 

Like complete morons, they state that Dr. Doom kills Superman.

Not Doomsday, But Dr. Doom. Someone needs an editor or a proofer!

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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:06:49 GMT

In article <8eyvqTC00WDKA5muUo@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 7-Nov-92 Re: LSH: Evacuating
>the Earth Terry Wong@leland.Stanfo (1182)
>
>> You would be right given the old power level of DC superheroes.  However,
>> the power levels of all DC superheros including Daxamites have been
>> seriously reduced.  Daxamites can no longer come even close to moving
>> Neutron stars or even small planets.  A Daxamite would not be able
>> to move a large ark into orbit or push the great mass of the earth cities.
>> See recent issues of Superman, Valor, and LSH to see what I mean.
>> In fact, this makes for better writing because there is very little
>> suspense or possible plot complications when the heros are nearly
>> omnipotent.
>
>Actually, unless I'm mistaken, you're wrong here. Superman and
>Kryptonians are less powerful post-Crisis, but Daxamites have retained
>their pre-Crisis power level.
>
>--Vernon.
I think DC's general stance is that no one is currently as powerful as
the pre-Crisis Superman, Daxamites, etc. They were all just so powerful
that they could be used far too easily as the deus for anyone's machina.
	But whether or not that's the official story matters *very*
little to me in evaluating these stories, because IM(very)PO, no one
*should* have the power to build space arks out of nothing, evacuate a 
planet in five days, whatever. The Arga-Prime storyline in LEGION mildly
annoyed me for the same reason, but since it was a much smaler planet, I
was able to accept it (although I seriously doubt Hal's ability to 
continue to hold that bubble secure while engaging in a completely 
gratuitous fight scene with Lobo). I just don't want to read stories
about heroes who simply pull another power out of their back pocket
whenever an impossible threat comes along. I much prefer characters with
limitations.

--AST, tirading again.
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Current Status of the Five (IMHO) Major Comic Distributors
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:14:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov5.151426.26378
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

DC?

They need some major help. They don't make any comics that are
really great anymore. 

DC has character recognition as its main strong point -- people
*know* Superbman, Batman, The Justice League... that could be a big
selling point!

JLA: they should have never gotten rid of the real Justice League.
Batman, Green Arrow, Red Tornado, Red Canary, Atom, Tree Man, 
whoever those good old corny characters I used to love were. Now
the JLA is peopled by a bunch of second rare characters and the 
last I saw was Giffen trying to turn it into Archie comics. They need
to get the real JLA back and promote it as the one you used to read
when you were growing up, only with a real story this time.

Titans: put them out of their mysery already!!! This book has been 
struggling and limping since #50 of the original series!

LSH: I'll never forgive them for what they did to ruin the legion,
and it's why I don't buy much DC (actually all I get is the Green Arrow,
by former LSH-er Mike Grell)

The strongest DC thing now is Batman, and they're milking him for
all he's worth... I don't like any of the Bat-artists now, though.
Bring Jim Aparo back...

Killing Superbman has got to be the biggest shot in the foot DC could
manage! Are you sure a Marvel person didn't sneak in and give them
this story?

(I love what my comics dealer did -- put out some Superbman issues
and said "get them while he's still alive!" -- Jackson Guice and Jerry
Ordway are WASTING THEIR TALENTS ON THE BOOK!)

But Marvel...

They're cashing in on the X popularity. Fairly decent art, bad writing.
They need some better writers. I can't imagine X after the X-Song.

New Warriors is the star in the Marvel Universe now -- GOOD writing!
Fairly decent -- not wonderful -- art.

Avengers, WCA, Iron Man, FF, Capt America, etc, etc -- all the old
guard Marvel books are boring beyond belief. Most of the UK marvel 
books are boring beyond belief. This stuff sells?

Which leaves Image, which at least has exceptional art and coloring!
They're rising stars that have a real shot, if they don't BLOW IT
by missing deadlines and spreading themselves too thin.

Hmmm.... at least with all the BAD comics, you don't need to spend
much on them :)

Scott
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: The Seventh Endless: David (was Re: Sandman #44)
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:33:14 GMT

In article <96220@netnews.upenn.edu> smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith) writes:
>
>Yet another meaningless detail-
>
>Why was the the doctor with the Orangutang singing a David Bowie song?
>I was guessing that Neil was listening to the album at the time and just
>threw it in.  But it got me to thinking, does he know something more
>about this song.  I mean since he seems to know every meaningless detail
>there is.  But was "Heros" by David Bowie taken from an older sorce,
>did the words exsist as a song that long ago?  Just wondering-

A Bowie reference would be far from a "meaningless detail"! But,
alas, it's not. The anatomist was singing 

	When I am king, dilly dilly,
	You shall be Queen.
	Lavender's blue, dilly dilly...

Okay, I don't know the song. But compare it to the most similar
bit of Heroes:

	I, I will be King
	And you, you will be Queen
	Well nothing will drive us away,
	We can be heroes just for one day...

Any similarity is purely coincidental... Knowing how Neil does
his homework, I'd assume the doctor is singing an authentic
late-seventeenth-century song.

On the other hand, that radio really is playing "Golden Years" in
the first issue of "Miracleman: The Golden Age"...
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