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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:09:20 CDT
From:         Eric Crump <LCERIC@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      fee-d those coffers

Karen,
I can understand your outrage. Unless your writing center is a
truly extraordinary one, I should think such a fee would kill
it dead--or at least effectively eliminate one-to-one help, which,
as it happens is the most effective situation for many writers to
work in.

I really don't think it's wrong to charge students for the service.
It ain't free, after all, and they have to pay user fees for other
things (here, anyway, things like the recreation center and
computer lab use cost extra) and they have to pay tuition in order
to get into classes.

There ought to be a better way, though, to recover that cost.

We're lucky here. Between a big federal grant, money from the
provost and support from the English department, we have cobbled
together enough financial resourcs to be able to offer one-to-one
writing assistance to all undergraduates without charging them
for it. But our math lab, which is part of the same service,
can only offer one-to-one help to students who qualify for the
service under the federal grant. Everyone else has to attend
group sessions. They can't even buy an individual conference
unless they pay a private tutor.

I agree with you that something should be done about the fee,
but I would hesitate to follow Nick's advice. Better, I think,
to develop some good options and present them to the administration
first. If you suggest good alternatives and don't get any action,
then maybe protest would be appropriate. Protesting first seems
to me like a good way to shoot yourself in the foot and the
writing center in the head.

Good luck. And if I think of any brilliant solutions to your
dilemma I'll be sure to pass them along.

But don't hold your breath. Brilliance and me are only occasional
acquaintances.

Eric Crump
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From:         Fred Kemp <YKFYY@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Singing on the periphery

Den, them that are on the INSIDE sit around enjoying being on the
inside and figuring out ways to retain insideism.  Those that are
on the OUTSIDE use bitnet, and lots of it.  Bitnet and internet
seem to provide a means to transcend inside/outside, but no one's
written that gospel yet.  (getting some trash online.  hope this
is coming across okay)

I've always thought of bitnet lists (especially MBU) as kind of
outlaw operations composed of folks who need to keep their
pistols oiled and their bags packed (metaphorically speaking).
The elite schools have carefully developed their own ladders of
access, and, except for a few individuals, don't like all these
new fangled (and hierarchically disruptive) means of letting the
common folk speak their piece and getting heard.  Whether we like
the idea or not, we are the hackers of academia.  Fred
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From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: System 7 Woes

Rob, the problem occurs at the spooler-- or between the individual workstation
and the spooler-- or in the individual Mac.  In short, it's not printer
memory, because the spooler spools forever before even opening the connection
to the printer. I aborted one PM print job after a 12-minute wait, and I was
the only person trying to print.  In fact, only two Macs were logged on to the
network at that time, before the Lab opened for the day. The print server said
it was still spooling the job. A one-page tutorial document.

Our network security software polls the network only when a user starts an
application. Its sole function is to see that we don't run more copies than we
own.

Like you, I also suspect System 7's multitasking, so I disabled background
printing on the individual Macs, thinking that the delays might be caused by
the Macs not devoting themselves completely to the print job. Some
improvement, but not much.

Here's a thought: What if I put the print server software on another Mac in
the net? One Mac as the file server and another as the print server? As far as
I know, AppleShare doesn't care, and each server will have only one job. --Not
what Paul White meant, but carrying dedication one step further.  That might
do the trick. We'd lose one work station, but we might gain in overall
operating convenience.

I'll give it a try and let y'all know what happens.

Bob Boston
Iowa State
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:57:26 -0400
From:         niall johnson <john7552@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Feminist list
              Apr 9, 92 8:48 am

Mary,

You asked:

> I'll add my wish to the list of lists.  Does anyone know of a feminist
> network?  Particularly a network for feminist studies in communications?
> Or a women's studies list?
>
> There was some conversation at 4Cs about the need for such a network; I
> think the Comm. on the Status of Women in the Profession is exploring the
> possibilities.  Anyone know anything about that?
>
> Mary Alm, Univ. of S.C.

Checking my sources I know of these lists:

FEMINIST@MITVMA         ALA Feminist Task Force Discussion List
FEMSEM@SBCCVM           Stony Brook Feminist Philosophy List
EDUCOM-W@BITNIC or
EDUCOM-W@PSUVM          EDUCOM Women and Information Technology
WMST-L@UMDD             Women's Studies List
WWP-L@BROWNVM           Brown University Women Writer's Project

I hope these may be of use to you.


--
Ciao

Niall Johnson,
Dept. of Geography,
Wilfrid Laurier University.
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca
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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: Naive (and tactless?) wondering / Crooning in
              the Cyberness (2)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:42 EST
From: Den Raphaely <DRAPHAELY@CLARKU.BITNET>
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Steve writes
> My first suggestion is that faculty are not on the cutting edge of
> anything
Well, surely not all persons absolutely atrophy when they are appointed to
an academic position! (Kind of a rework of Acton's Principle: Academics
atrophies and a paid appointment in academics atrophies absolutely). Now
it may well be that there is a general loss of competence accompanying
such institutionalization (we could speak of "universitalism" as a partner
to "hopsitalism"), but one would hope that of those small band of brothers
and sisters who somehow do not fall prey to such moribundization (!), a
significant portion of these would be at those schools held up to the
general populace as being of, for and by the bestandthebrightest (ee cummings
might not have written this but he would have had he grinned about spring
in the ivy leauges).

More seriously - my premise was based on the idea that Internet itself
constituted a cutting edge. And in this, I think the commercial domain
is perhaps more on the ball than academics. For instance, in Sunday's
Boston Globe, the header to the advertisment which occupies 2/3 of the
front page of the Help Wanted section (a much read section around these
parts) is "Videoconferencing Technology Is Changing The Way Business
Communicates". This is an advert for a company called PictureTel whose
slogan is "See What We're Talking About". Of course, their 'shtick' is
that videoconferencing is what makes the difference; but if one were to
explore the assumptions underlying how it is that "From Peabody to Paris
corporate users are discovering the enormous benefits of of dial-up
videoconferencing and learning new ways to solve problems and satisfy
business needs" (please - no gagging on the terminal), it seems clear
these same principles apply to Internet.

_Den-CybernessMoanster

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:36:00 EST
From:         HOADREDDICK@UTOROISE.BITNET
Subject:      Thank you EDCMC researchers...

On behalf of the authors of our field study, I would
like to thank those who responded to our request for recent
educational CMC research.  Best of luck with your studies!
Please find following our 44K report.  Your comments are
welcome.

HOADREDDICK@utoroise
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:25:00 EST
From:         HOADREDDICK@UTOROISE.BITNET
Subject:      FRENCH LISTS?

Can anyone direct a colleague of mine to a French-speaking list?

HOADREDDICK@UTOROISE

P.S. I've seen mail from numerous countries, but never FRANCE.  Why
is this?  Surely it can't be attributable to language, as I would think that
there are plenty of English-speaking e-mailers there....
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:00:00 MST
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Estonian English Teachers

Anne Villems and teachers in Estonia
I know we are all delighted to be in touch with you and to talk with you about
developments in English teaching.  Anne, are you on SLART-L?  If not, since it
deals with language acquisition you may want to be.  Also, TESL-L, which deals
with teaching English as a Second Language.
Your "computer class for humanitarians" sounds fascinating: did you mean to say
"humanitarians" or "humanists"?
Liz Hamp-Lyons
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From:         eng_allen@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU
Subject:      software question

Has anyone out there had any experience with the American Heritage
Dictionary or Word Finder Plus Thesaurus software available?  I've
heard that it's less than $50, so I'm wondering whether it's worth
it and what it offers.

Thanks to anyone who has comments to offer.

Nancy Allen			eng_allen@emunix.emich.edu
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From:         BURT@BRANDEIS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: network talk from Israel during Iraq war

There was a lot of correspondence on Humanist (which you can contact at
editors@brownvm). I'm sure they have an archive. I actually kept all of
it until just three weeks ago (sorry). Good luck
John Burt
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:47:24 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MLA Citation

> Did Ben ask, "What did Keats say?"

 For the above quote, I'd put the question mark outside the quotation mark
 since the entire sentence is a question.

>Alf reported that Ben asked, "What did Keats say?"
>
> But:
>
> Did Ben say, "Keats said that Beauty is Truth"?
>
> With citations:
>
>(1)   Did Ben ask, "What did Keats say?" (Harwell, 91)?

> and
>(2)     Alf reported that Ben asked, "What did Keats Say?" (Harwell, 91).

The two samples above illustrate the problem I am addressing.  I noticed
that two end punctuation marks have been used.  This is what I have
NEVER found explained anywhere.

>
> (Note:  Seems to me that the question marks, which "merge" when there is no
> intervening citation, would stay separate if the citation has to be there;
> otherwise, when you do the question/"statement" one, it'd look just the same
> as the question/"question" one.)
>
> And
>
> Did Ben say, "Keats said that Beauty is Truth" (Harwell, 91)?
>
> But my REAL solution is to figure out how to quote the passage so that you
> dont NEED the question/exclamation mark at the end of the quoted section.
> then you don't have to figure out how to do it.

Oh, how I agree with you.  In my own writing, I, too, avoid sticky
situations such as this.  My puzzlement comes when I am grading student
papers; both they and I like to know *why* something is either correct
or incorrect, and this particular problem arises more than I like.
Another question.  I notice that you are putting a comma between the author
s name and the page number.  The edition of MLA that I have shows no comma
 (I don't remember the edition, but the cover is silver-grey), whereas,
I think the APA form is to use the comma.  Am I a high school teacher who
is teaching her students incorrectly?

Thank you for the reply.
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:37:00 MDT
From:         RONRON@USU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Real-time hypertext (fwd)

Of course it's unspeakably bizzaRE


.  I love it.  The way around the one-editor at a time is to have each revisee
   av
e
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:28:52 EDT
From:         Bill Condon <USERLCBK@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MLA Citation

No, you're right about the comma.  I have to switch back and forth between
MLA and APA a lot, and I just didn't pay attention to the comma part,
because I was trying to pay so much attention to the other part.  Funny
how difficult REALLY trivial questions can be.  MLA does that--elevates
the trivial.  I think they don't like the fact that no one CARES how
many angels can dance ont he head of a pin, so they dress questions
like that up in different clothes.

As for the question/"question" one, my copy of Harbrace says that if
BOTH the whole sentence and the quoted sentence are questions, the
question mark goes inside the quotations marks.  I'll bet that some
other books go the other way, though.  To me, this is a matter for consistency
not "correctness."  I mean, whatever way we decide to do it, the Brits
will do the opposite anyway, as they do with the other cases of punctuation
and quotation marks.
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Association of the Estonian Teachers of English (1)

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:23:37 EET
From: Anne Villems <anne@ebc.tartu.ew.su>
Message-id: <9204152023.AA03690@ebc.tartu.ew.su>
Subject: Association of the Estonian Teachers of English (1)
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Hello, Cyndy Selfe,
Only 6 hours ago I read your Help! message. Happily Tartu is
not too big. Meanwhile I met an English teacher from Tartu
Hugo Treffner Grammar School, who told:
   The Association of the Estonian Teachers of English was
founded in Tartu at the end of November, 1991. That organization
includes teachers from all the districts and towns of Estonia.
I can give some of the names from the board of this organization,
Ylle Kurm - the Department of Education of the Town Council
            of Tartu
Kylli Korgessaar - teacher of English at Hugo Treffner Grammar
            School in Tartu
Pilvi Kapp - teacher of English at Secondary School Nr.5
            in Tartu
Nora Toots - lecturer of English at Tartu University
---------------------------------------------------------
As far as Hugo Treffner Grammar School has e-mail (already
one  month!!), I asked their postmaster to make a new mailbox
for English teachers to communicate with teachers worldwide.
You can use this address to communicate with Kylli Korgessaar.
The address is:
       engl@htg.tartu.ew.su
She will be informed about the new address tomorrow morning.
Tomorrow I'll try to find Nora Toots and open an e-mail
mailbox for her too. It will be in the University computer class
for humanitarians (it works already 2 months!).
  Your request to contact English teachers gives me an
excuse to widen humanitarians' e-mail conacts - many thanks.
  Best regards
           Anne Villems, Tartu University, Estonia


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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Crooning in the wilderness... [Was: Naive (and
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:44 EST
From: Den Raphaely <DRAPHAELY@CLARKU.BITNET>
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So if I get you rightly (David, Fred, Joe) these conversations on Internet
(taking MBU as an exemplar) have a wilderness status because the domain of
interest (composition, in this case) are outside of the mainstream academic
power-structure (the status quo). And thus, even if we see ourselves as
guerrillas, they see us as gorrillas...

But are there no intersections between these electronic explorations and those
(better-trodden) 'tenure' tracks? After all, participants on MBU/C&CD publish
books, attend conferences and teach students - and the topic of the interface
between technology and humanity is "hot".

Of course, one dreadful possibility is that participation on Internet itself
susbstiutes-for/stands-in-the-way-of other (more readilly acknowledged)
productivity. In this regard, recall how many people confessed that they spend
at least 2 hours/day crooning with others in the Cyberness. I suppose I am
wondering how this Internet-thing is a legitimate scholarly activity (and I
think that it is) while it often appears to be a 2-hour coffee-break with my
good friends across the world...

_Den-ThisCyberCroonin'Ain'tNoMatineeIdle

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From:         R_CONNORS@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      MAIL-MEN

Has anyone tried, succeeded, failed to get in contact with the men's list
MAIL-MEN?  Can anyone give me info as to how it can be done, or whether there
are any other lists about men's issues?  Thanks much.

Bob C>
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From:         RE781EN <RE781EN@TCUAMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Mindweave

I keep hearing this word, Mindweave, but I'm not sure what it is.
I assumed it was a book, but didn't find it in the library. Can
someone explain?

Debbie Nash
re781en@TCUAMUS.BITNET
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From:         Marge Bartelt <32GUPQS@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Time wasted on e-mail (11)

Interesting questions.  I got turned on to e-mail through graduate
classes in microcomputers in the classroom and telecommunications.
I'm hooked!  In some areas, I have moved beyond the instructor, but only
because my interests are different than his.  As for hooking others, I
do subversive things like posting copies of e-mail (no explaination) to
stimulate inquiry.  In addition, I occassionally read my mail in the
main office of the English Dept.  I usually have a few curious on-lookers
plus I'm known as the person with the Binet know-how.  Many of my
colleagues are reluctantly getting into E-mail for practical reasons:
free communication, speed, and it's the method by which people at
other locations wish to receive communication to include professional
pieces.  They come to me, and since I'm so hooked, my enthusiasm is
contagious (usually).  At least I have a few converts.

Marge Bartelt
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From:         Eric Crump <LCERIC@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      feminist list and the french connection

The address of the gender list Mike referred to is
GENDER@rpiecs

I forget the internet address, but it has one. It is a moderated,
digested list devoted to discussions about gender and communication.

WMST-L is another very good list for women's studies and feminist
scholars. I don't know much about FEMREL-L except that it was
too busy for me to keep up with.

Re: Frenchies. Don't know about any French lists or French users, but
for what it's worth, the program we use so diligently to talk to
one another, Revised Listserv, was written by Eric Thomas at
Ecole Centrale de Paris. So there is a French connection of some sort.
--Eric Crump
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From:         joseph marek williams <jmw1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) use of electronic texts in
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To richard S:  I have rewritten Federalist #10 in Schoolhouse style.  My
colleagues are, of course, nauseated over the idea, but I have found it
to be an enormously useful excercise in both stylistics and understanding
Fed 10.  I'l send you a copy by mail.  What's your address?

Joe Wilkliams.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:35:26 CDT
From:         "M. O'Conner" <C359452@UMCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      French and Feminist lists

There is a French language list coming out of Quebec, Canada:
Causerie @ UQuebec.

Two feminist/women's studies or related subject lists include:
WMST-L @ UMDD     (women's studies list)
FEMREL-L @ UMCVMB   (feminism and religion list)

There is a "Gender" list, but I don't know the address.

Michael O'Conner
University of Missouri
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Subject: Re: list of fem. lists?

>FEMREL-L AT UMCVBM
>
Just a minor correction on Dave's very helpful list
of lists on women's issues.  The above should be

FEMREL-L AT UMCVMB

Cathy Quick
c497487@umcvmb
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