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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:02:38 GMT

In <Ht5Qr*E51@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <Bw3C0I.DCr@sneaky.lonestar.org>, Gordon Burditt writes:

>> >I have a female friend who shot a man who forced his way into her
>> >apartment (i.e. obvious malicious intent). He very nearly won a civil
>> >case against her for his injury.  His lawyer made several cases: 1) he
>> >was high and therefore not in control of himself, 2) he was unarmed
>> 
>> IMHO, the law *SHOULD* say that if you voluntarily get drunk or high
>> (that is, you knew what you were drinking and it's not a case of
>> someone spiking drinks or forcibly administering alcohol/drugs/medication),

>Basically, this used to be the law.  When did it get changed?  Or, is this
>just liberal judges rewriting the laws "by interpretation?"

Uh, WHAT used to be the law, Jim?  You chopped off the back end at
this point.  In any case, that NEVER used to be the law, your
ever-present "liberal" bogeyman notwithstanding.  If you get drunk and
someone accidently gets killed, it pretty much has always been charged
as a lesser charge than the same events would have been if you were
sober. 

>> then whatever you do, you do intentionally, with malicious intent,
>> and with premeditation.  In other words, a drunk driver who kills someone 
>> by accident should be found guilty of first-degree murder.  This guy

>You are probably going a bit far here, but I won't argue...

I don't think he goes too far at all (and I have been telling people
this same thing for years now).  If you deliberately put yourself in
an impaired condition, why is that impaired condition then seen as an
excuse for a lack of control?

>> appears to be guilty of breaking and entering, property damage, and
>> if he touched her - even with one hair - I'd find him guilty of assult 
>> with intent to commit bodily injury.
>> 
>> >(though he was quite muscular and much larger than she), and 3) the
>> >punishment for breaking and entering is not the death penalty (i.e.
>> >she had no right to attempt to take his life -- this one even pissed
>> >off the judge).  

>Trespassing used to be a legitimate reason to shoot to kill.  I think that
>in most cases it should be made that way again.

No, trespassing hasn't been a legitimate reason to "shoot to kill"
anywhere during this century; if you're older than that, then I will
retract my disagreement.  If you wanted to shoot someone for
trespassing, the area had to be blocked (fenced somehow, for example)
AND CLEARLY POSTED.  

The problem with your 'in most cases' is the issue of who gets to
decide what the exceptions are?

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Subject: Two U-2 tickets (balcony)
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: dfw
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:13:03 GMT

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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:03:24 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Oct5.094504.21@dallas.sil.org>, mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:

> Can anybody tell me why Dallas drivers seem to have an aversion to passing
> on the left?  I just don't understand why they would choose to pass on the
> right when the left lane is open.  If someone could enlighten me as to why
> I might not get so angry at them for violating such a basic highway
> courtesy.

Well, this is just a guess, but they are probably transplanted Yankees who
were never taught any manners...  8)

Or, maybe they are from Arkansas.  I've noticed that their Governor doesn't
have any manners...


                                                Jim Pritchett


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I'd like to know why when I'm going 55 in the rightmost lane of a four
lane interstate, people feel the need to tailgate me to try to make
me go faster.  If they are wanting to get off at the next exit, they need
to either slow down or go around.  Actually I know the answer.  They
are selfish little brats who never grew up.


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From: mpp@sdf.lonestar.org (Michael Persons)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:30:57 GMT


I have found that the right lane is not the best place to be when you are the
slowest driver on the highway (going only slightly over the speed limit).
What happens to me is that people who are getting off at the next exit get
right up behind me.  Evidently the exit is too close for them to pull around
me and pass and still make it, but far enough away to make them antsy to get to
it.  If I'm in a bad mood, I'll ever...so...gradually slow down, thus driving
them nuts.  If I'm in a good mood (which is most of the time) I'll drive in the
second to right lane.  That way I avoid the exit maniacs, but allow the speed
maniacs to have their left lane.  On the two-lane sections of 75, I consider 
the exit maniacs and cars inching onto the highway at 35 MPH more threatening
than the speeders, so I stay in the left and let the speeders pass on the 
right.

Works for me.

Mike Persons

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From: greg@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Greg Chartrand)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:29:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.110805.24955@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. 
Harp) writes:
> 
> It is sort of strange that horns are rarely used around here.  
> 
Look like you havn't figured out that being the "blower" of your horn 
invites the "blowee" to take his/her gun from under the seat and scatter 
your brains all over the place. 

> Here's a tip for the next time you have a run-in with someone driving
> a vehicle with "radio operator" plates: Honk Morse code for "*sshole"
> or "jerk." ;)

Us radio operators generally try to stay out of the wy of the cowboys on the road. If you insist on "honking us off" then try this--
..   .-  --   .-   .-.  ..-  -


That will get our attention, we will get out of your way!

Greg -WA9EYY
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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:41:01 GMT

In <1992Oct6.163735.17141@exu.ericsson.se> exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson, T/TDT, 1129) writes:

>Which reminds me of a "Larson" cartoon I saw recently...

>  Scenery: Hell
>  You can see a few doors with signs on them that read
>  "Homicidal maniacs"
>  "Terrorists"
>  etc...
>  The last door in the picture where the devil is
>  making people get into says: 
>  "People who drove too slow in the fast lane"

>See - there is justice in the world after all!

Don't you mean the "afterworld?"

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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: Re: KNON Schedule (+Chili Cookoff and upcoming KNON events:
Keywords: KNON Radio	
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:50:21 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bw2JAL.Brn@oryx.com> xdemsv@pds006.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (mark s vozar) writes:

>Does anyone have or know where I can get the program schedule for KNON -Community
>radio? 

The best way is to make a pledge!  The next Pledge Drive is the first
two weeks in November, btw.  All pledgers get sent a schedule.

IF you need one in a hurry, drop by the station at 4415 San Jacinto
(between Carroll and Peak, one block east of Ross) during business
hours.

I'll USnail a copy to the first person to volunteer to type 
it in and post it to dfw.general.

If you want to meet some KNON DJs, MC Goober (from Music By the Book),
Maleeka (from the reggae show) and myself will be judges in the 
4th Annual Lone Star Vegetarian Chili Cookoff, this Sunday afternoon in 
the West End (1911 Gillam).  Call 235-5665 for more details.
I'll try and bring some schedules with me.

More shameless plugs: I'll be doing a Ramones special, next
Wednesday on "Twisted Kicks" from 9-10pm.

The KNON Garage Sale is this Saturday at 5722 Vickery, just
east of Greenville.  CDs, records, posters, cassettes, etc
Nothing over $5.

I'll be MC'ing the "Women in Rock" KNON benefit, Oct 24 at
Dunebuggy Headquarters, 800 Cadiz, 9pm.  It will feature,
Manhole from Houston, Pork from Austin and local talent Liquid
Velvet.  Again, I'll bring schedules with me.

--Rob "Sevrin", "The Right To Rock", Wednesday night, 1-2am.
--aka DJ Stereotype, "The Wicked and Wild Style Show", 2-4am (when DJ Curly
  is late!)
--KNON 89.3FM, The Voice of the People
--spray@convex.com (my real job, which I must get back to!)

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From: jsevinsk@digi.lonestar.org (John Sevinsky)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:36:29 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <67500@cup.portal.com> cpc@cup.portal.com (Chris NMI Cebelenski) writes:
>
>I'm not sure what it is about Dallas drivers, but they seem to be the
>most inconsiderate drivers I have ever had the non-pleasure of driving
>with.  First off, they would rather kiss your hairy ass than give you
>a spot to get onto the highway.

Then you have never been to Florida, have you?  Dallas drivers are really
polite compared to those old fossils driving their big Lincolns and Cadillacs.
Of course, most of the cars in Florida have New York or Ohio licence plates
anyway, so I guess all the rudeness is coming from up north.  I'm originally
from Pennsylvania.  I would rather be driving here.

John
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:06:30 GMT

In <BvwyAn.67q@sneaky.lonestar.org> gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt) writes:

>>It's real simple, people.  The old 'stay right except to pass' rule.

>I wonder how to reconcile this rule with highways that have 4, 5, and 6
>or more lanes going in the same direction.  If you're really expected
>to stay to the right except to pass, who would use these lanes?  
>A 747 making an emergency landing?  And nobody would EVER design a highway 
>with an exit on the left, would they?  And you're not going to see any
>highways with 5 lanes which splits into 2 lanes on the left and 3 lanes
>on the right, are you?  Well, someone seems to be designing roads this
>way.

Gee, and if you're in England or certain territories, you sure don't
want to be on the right.  DUH!  If this is your level of common sense,
you probably shouldn't be driving.

And if you are talking about TEXAS roads, I was convinced after I'd
been down here a month that the profession of 'highway engineer'
simply doesn't exist in this state.  There's no other way I can think
of to explain some of the design decisions take on the highways and
surface streets around here.

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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:32:20 GMT
Distribution: dfw
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Oct7.192902.23721@utdallas.edu> shane@utdallas.edu writes:
>but pickups obstruct other drivers' view and people who have a truck just
>for the sake of having a truck piss me off. I've already had a fender-bender
>because I couldn't see around one of these damn things. If you need a truck

Then what the hell were you doing proceding into the path of other traffic
when your vision was obstructed???? I had a little Japanese sporty car for
two years (1990 Nissan 240SX) and after two years of people in all varieties
of vehicles cutting me off, failing to yield right of way when it was mine, and
seeing so many small cars squashed like beer cans in wrecks with other small
cars, traded my car for a pickup truck. The instances of getting cut off
deliberately by obnoxious drivers in fast cars has diminished a great deal
for me. Now if everyone would only quit trying to run over motorcycles......

Pickup driver and damn proud of it,
Neal Howard
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Tailgated in the slow lane
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:08:31 GMT

In <Bw58y6.5Ao@cmptrc.lonestar.org> andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:

>(fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>
>>And could you explain why it is that you are on the freeway driving a
>>good 10 MPH under the prevailing speed of traffic?  You can be written
>>a ticket for obstructing traffic for doing this in some states, even
>>if the prevailing speed of traffic happens to be over the legal speed
>>limit. 

>Bullshit.  The speed limit is 55, she's in the right lane, and it's her 
>perfect right.  What states would this be in?

Bullshit, my ass.  If you don't know the answer, perhaps a course in
manners wouldn't be amiss (speaking of "selfish brats").  Colorado,
California, and Oregon will all ticket you for obstructing traffic if
you are more than 10MPH below the prevailing speed of traffic, no
matter what the limit is (or that's the way the laws read when I was
in those places).  I have no doubt that there are a number of other
states with similar laws.  For example, I once had a police car
leading me through the loop around Baltimore at over 15 MPH over the
posted limit, because they were trying to clear traffic (it was the
busy part of the day).  They just waved all the through traffic in
behind him in the left lane.

>And she's perfectly right.  "Selfish Brats" pretty much sums it up.

Given your manners here, I don't doubt you are qualified to make such
a determination.  Of course, inconveniencing everyone else on the road
is certainly mature and selfless.

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From: jsevinsk@digi.lonestar.org (John Sevinsky)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:55:33 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Oct5.094504.21@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
>I just don't understand why they would choose to pass on the
>right when the left lane is open.

It depends.  Are they already in the right lane?  If so, is it more hazardous
to pass on the right or to change two lanes to pass on the left?

John
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Subject: slower traffic keep right
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:06:14 GMT
Distribution: dfw
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

OK.  A while back on that other thread, Neal Howard stated that you 
could be cited for failing to keep right, even if you were already going
or exceeding the speed limit.  I said that I thought that was BS and that
I would check into it and get back to y'all.

I called the Richardson police.  Yes Neal, you were right and I was wrong.
According to the officer I spoke with you can be cited for failing to observe
a _specific_ traffic control device, even if you are already exceeding the 
speed limit.  

I should have known better to question you on this stuff, since you've 
probably already violated more traffic laws than I even knew existed!  :)
(a joke! a joke!)

The officer did say that you would be more likely to be cited for tail-gating
than failure to keep right.  Although the left lane is theoretically reserved
as a passing lane, that's not practical in heavy infra-city traffic.    

It still doesn't excuse tail-gating. That's an accident waiting to happen.

There!  Now that I've met my obligation to post the results of my inquiry,
I'm not posting to _this_ thread either!!  Arguing over driving habits is 
akin to debating religion...  at least around here.
From: lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org (Mr. Lyn R. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:43:58 CDT
Distribution: dfw
Organization: Radio Amateur k5qwb

merlin@lerami.lerctr.org (David Hayes) writes:

> I did see one time where the cops did something about people passing a
> traffic jam on the shoulder. It was in New Jersey, on route 18. The road was
> two lanes each way. Traffic was backed up about 10 miles. I sat in the
> right lane for about half an hour, inching ahead, and watching a series
> of a**h**les passing everyone on the right shoulder. I considered sitting
> half on the shoulder to block them off, but I decided against it.
> 
> My faith was rewarded when, about 3 miles later, I found a state trooper's
> car sitting on the right shoulder. Parked behind him were all the cars that
> had been passing on the shoulder. The drivers were all standing in a line,
> handcuffed one to the next. The officer arrested the whole lot.
> 
> Served 'em right.

Seems strange to me no one ever gets really pissed off about the fact 
th cops are writting tickets instead of straightening out the traffic 
jam which they are being paid to do.


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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:37:59 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <BPc0RB3w165w@elecafe>, Pisser writes:

> What do you guys think???

I remember that Texas drivers were much nicer until hordes of Yankees started
moving down here.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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From: locke@boriquen.ssc.gov (Chris Locke)
Subject: Re: Bikers (Was: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?)
Organization: Superconducting SuperCollider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:58:23 GMT

|> 
|> How come almost noone does it here?
  I don't want to be decapitated by Bubba Joes drivers-side trailer mirror.
 
|> Are they afraid the car driver will do something nasty to them as they drive by?
  No, just trucks (see above)

|> Are the police officers particularly nasty to bikers here?
  YES
      
|> Another thing I've seen is that bikers usually park their bikes in
|> the parking spots, using a whole square that would have fit a Van.
|> In Sweden we would usually park out of the way from the cars. Like
|> on the curb, or an un-used portion of the parking lot. (No we would
|> NOT park where we would be in the way for some other reason) Would
|> you get a ticket for that here?
  Most merchants frown upon you parking on the curb and I 
  personally don't like it. I think that most bikers 
  feel that their bike is more secure parked in a space that is 
  semi-close and not in some "un-used portion of the parking lot"
 


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From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:41:07 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

(Mohit K. Goyal) writes:
>But what if they aren't tailgating?

If they aren't tail-gating, I move over if I can.

(Mohit K. Goyal) writes:
>I don't know about y'all, but when I'm cruising down north 75 where it
>is 4-lanes at 70mph and I notice a car steadily approaching me from
>behind, I just move over a lane. (this is only if I am in the far left
>lane)
>

In fact, I do the same.  I still say there's no excuse for tail-gating.
There's a difference between what you have described (which I think is 
perfectly acceptable) and a tail-gater.  As I said before, you don't have
to drive like a jerk to drive fast.  Just accept the fact that sometimes
you CAN'T go fast and that the rest of the people on the highway don't 
owe you the road.  

Some of these people think they're "Bob" in that TV commercial.

Now _THIS_ really is my last post to this thread.
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