From: amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Working with Wolves
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:21:49 GMT
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D

(sorry for so much text up here, but i 
didn't want to be accused of doctoring
the attributions)

(Brent Fiene) writes:
>Stormwind) writes...
>>(Brent Fiene) writes:
>>>(Stormwind) writes...
>>>>(Richard M. Romanowski) writes:
>>>>>	Well, you could go to Alaska with a 7.65 mm and shoot down the
>>>>>damn airplanes ... and anybody who crawls out of them alive ...
>>>>>
>>>>>	... but assuming you don't have an automatic weapon handy, you 
>>>>>could do something more constructive ... like sabotage the planes on 
>>>>>the ground.
>>>> 
>>>>those of us who are pilots don't approve
>>>>of either suggestion; nor does the FAA.  
>>>>not all aircraft shoot at wolves.  [...]
>>>
>>>sorry bud, but i would be out there with a gun shooting down them planes
>>>myself if i had the resources. 
>> 
>>then you're an idiot.  there ARE pilots
>>out there who are very concerned for 
>>wildlife, and just happen to conduct 
>>wildlife counts BY AIRPLANE.  knee-jerk
>>reactions don't do anything except make
>>life worse for those people who aren't
>>engaged in the activity you're reacting
>>against.
>
>hello i did specify those shooting out of planes

really?  let's re-display the relevant lines:

>>>(Stormwind) writes...
>>>>those of us who are pilots don't approve
>>>>of either suggestion; nor does the FAA.
>>>>not all aircraft shoot at wolves.  [...]
>>(Brent Fiene) writes:
>>>sorry bud, but i would be out there with a gun shooting down them planes
>>>myself if i had the resources.

you DID NOT SPECIFY ANYTHING about needing
to have a gun hanging out the window.

>>>>my wolf hybrid was partially housebroken.
>>>>if you took her for a walk before putting
>>>>her in the garage for the night, she wouldn't
>>>>mess the floor.  if she didn't get walkies,
>>>>however, the floor had to be hosed off the
>>>>next morning.
>>>
>>>i imagine this would be quite the mess. all this talk of housebreaking
>>>wolves. fuck that, they are wild creatures. why subvert yet another
>>>species to eternity in prison.
>> 
>>you might want to back up and re-read.
>>i said wolf HYBRID.  some people refer to
>>hybrids as "wolves" or occasionally as
>>"dogs".  this does NOT mean they've dragged
>>wild animals in from the forests and
>>are trying to tame them.
>
>YOU might want to back up and re-re-read. i did specify WOLVES. 

you also specified "all this talk of 
housebreaking wolves".  where?  no such
thing has been discussed in this newsgroup
in the past several weeks.  there *have*, however,
been cases where people have said "wolf"
when they meant "hybrid", which means you
need to ask first before flying off the
handle.

>your
>hybrid is cool with me. i am just saying that we shouldnt take any
>more wild animals from the wild... kinda defeats the purpose of
>calling them wild. 

no one has advocated removing wolves from 
the wild.

>i didnt mean to come off as too extreme, but i am very passionate about
>this subject. 

as am i.  not only am i a pilot myself, and
extremely touchy about fruitcakes shooting
at planes (it happens a lot up in the mendocino
area of california where people grow marijuana
farms...there have been several planes who got
holes in their wings, including search and rescue
teams), but i was also a ten year owner of a 
hybrid wolf whose wild wolf father was gunned
down in alaska a week before his pup was born.

however, one has to be careful about how one
presents one's arguments lest one polarizes
the rest of the population against the cause,
however noble.  the masses are, for the most
part, ignorant of both planes and wolves, so
you have to be very careful to present both in
a favorable light, THEN point out the bad things
that are happening and how they can help.

			stormwind

			hell's amazon