From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
Subject: Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:39:46 CDT

In article <Bvrz74.7yt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>In <1992Oct7.163134.17826@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>
>>Hey Bruce...I don't give a damn about what's in any dictionary except a law]
>>dictionary.  When you're talking about taking away people's rights, you're
>
>	I am not talking about taking away anyone's rights 

This statement is not correct.
>                                                            - I am talking
>about giving people the rights they deserve - formost of which is the 
>right to live.
>
>>A fetus is NOT a person, check up on the law.  A child is a BORNED person,
>>check up on the law.  You will have to change all of these to have it 
>>your way.  Until you do, the legal definition--the only one I care about--
>>stands.
>
>	I don't really give a shit what you care about you heartless
>bitch. I am sick and fucking tired of hearing all this women's rights shit.

Bruce, I am sure that I will not be alone in flaming you for
this misogynic outburst.  Though the honesty is refreshing,
you are a loathesome insect for trying to create a subset 
of human beings who would have less rights than all other
born persons--namely women of childbearing age.  You are also
a dishonest and cowardly cretin for failing to admit that
your proposals would remove existing rights from women.
Your restrictions would cost many women their education
or their careers.  Others would lose their health or their
lives.

More importantly, you odiferious rodent, in your newbie
cluelessness, you have just insulted a woman who is known
in this group to have _recently_ carried an unplanned and
possibly difficult pregnancy to term.  She is a _mother_
of two children, who knws many, many, things about the
experience of pregnancy, childbearing, and child raising
that you will never know.  Usually, you pro-female-slavery
types at least make some _pretense_ of respect for motherhood.

>Get this fucking straight once and for all - ABORTION IS NO MORE A WOMEN'S
>RIGHTS ISSUE THAN ABOLITION WAS A SLAVE OWNER'S RIGHTS ISSUE.

Shouting does not make it so, child.  All other born persons
posess the right to the autonomy of their own bodies.  You
wish to remove that right from pregnant women, and when we
point out what you are doing, you think you can override our
objections by shouting us down.  What happens next if shouting 
and swearing fails?  Will you hit someone? 
>
>	Just because you do not see fit to respect the rights of others
>to live does not mean that I have to agree with you. Don't like my
>choice of words? Don't like me calling a fetus a child, and calling
>abortion murder? Tough shit. Truth hurts, doesn't it??
>
Your rudeness and inaccuracies will only hurt your side in the
end.  I suggest you keep up the good work, though.  It usually
takes a great deal more effort on the part of pro-choicers to 
demonstrate that a desire to restrict abortion via legislation
is motivated by hatred of women, and the desire to control them.

muriel
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