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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Why Are the Liberal Pundits So Infatuated With Clinton?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:20:59 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf) writes:
>Elizabeth Levy writes:
>>I'd say Bobby Kennedy also had a decent shot [at becoming President].  Just didn't quite make it.                      ^^^^  

>You may have just won the Unintentional Pun Award of the Month.

That's one reasons the Kennedy's could never be good boxers.  They
just can't take a shot to the head.
-- 
Life without caffeine is stimulating enough.  -- Sanka ad
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Slick Willy and the terrible 22
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:26:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.205717.64137@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> cummingc@CS.ColoState.EDU (christopher cummings) writes:
>In article <167C1932B.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
>>I wonder if Mr. Cummings grasp of reality is always this skewed.
>> 
>>What in *HELL* do the bounced checks of two Arkansas congressmen have
>>to do with Bill Clinton?
>
>Jim, I was merely pointing out the fact that it seems the Dems
>in recent years have flocked to the candidate that can say with
>the most convincing false conviction ;-> that I'VE BALANCED x 
>BUDGETS SO VOTE FOR ME....   Now, if we found out after Mike
>left office in Taxachussetts that creative accounting was his
>specialty,  and,  we already know that Slick Willy can't keep his
>finger on his congressmen, (and don't tell me he doesn't have any
>influence with them)  we can only guess at what evilness lurks
>behind Willy's used-carsalesman-like face.

Um, let me repeat Mr. McMaster's question.  What the hell do the
bounced checks of two Arkansas congressmen have to do with Bill
Clinton?  Since when did governors have control over the congresspeople
the residents of the state elected?  (Besides Huey Long, I mean.)
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,misc.legal,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fully Informed Jury Association (Pamphlet)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:27:38 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

> Something is obviously wrong when jurors cry and 
> the defendant after conviction, saying "We 
> didn't WANT to find you guilty, but the judge said
> we HAD to convict you if the evidence showed you
> broke the law as it was explained to us."

How about the flip side of this?  If jurors were fully
informed, wouldn't there be an increase in people who
should be convicted getting off (e.g., "we know he
raped that girl, but hey, she was Black and we know
how those nigger women are just asking for it, so
we'll acquit this fine upstanding White youth.").

> If jurors were supposed to judge "only the facts",
> their job could be done by a computer. It is precisely

The author of this clearly lives in an alternate universe
where AI has advanced considerably beyond what we have
in this one...

> FIJA's overall goal is to rescue America's heritage
> of personal freedom and responsibility by reviving 
> both the jury instructions and the understanding of 
> "trial by jury" in effect when our nation was born.

That heritage was irretrievably lost when the average
voter became an idiot.

> (2) Legislators will have access to regular feedback
> from ordinary people, sitting on juries, instead of
> mainly from special-interest groups and other very
> political sources. This information will allow them to 
> better represent the will of the people; and
 
Legislators already have regular feedback from ordinary
people.  It's called an election.

					Tim Smith
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,misc.taxes,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:53:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <Edt=9m_00Uh7Q6ur0v@andrew.cmu.edu> "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.130714.12076@midway.uchicago.edu>
>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu

>    Gee heres a surprise.  I disagree with Sherri...:-)

>    I am terribly sorry but there is no way that Hockey, marketed by Mr
>Madison Ave. himself, could ever get recieved well in the US as a whole.
> Yes there are strong pockets and enclaves of support in the barren and
>ignorant areas but by and large Hockey is doomed to be a regional sport
>at best. 
>     I hate this myself, and wish it was not so, but I have the honesty
>not to delude myself into thinking that it could be otherwise anytime in
>the near future.
>    I really do not think anybody can guess at the damage that this
>strike may have and will cause.  Just think what people in tampa are
>thinking know.  They Like the rest of the South could give a rats ass
>about Hockey.  Hockey in Texas, Arizona, Florida, Southwest?  I think
>not.
>      YOu must have access to game itself.  You must have experience
>with it in someform or another to b eable to relate to it and appreciate
>it. This is in general and regarding the public as a whole.  Why do you
>think Baseball has such a fundemental appeal to ALL Americans?  Why do
>you think the Women's final Four recieved national air time (besides it
>being PC)?  Because anybody anywere can pick up a basketball and go out
>and shoot somehoops.  Hockey? Right!!
>    I myself only began to really appreciate Hockey for what it was and
>stand in awe of the simply amazing skill level that NHL players have
>only AFTER I had actuall played THE GAME.  Which took too much money to
>contemplate, too much ice time, and too much work.  I loved every minute
>of it, but I sincerely doubt that many other americans who have not been
>exposed and weened on it from a young age could or would do what I did. 
>I am not claiming to be special or anything but I am trying to
>illustrate the point that playing a game or being associated to it in
>someway (perhaps a family member plays) is certainly a MAJOR factor in
>whether or not a person can be a fan;  not exclusive, but certainly a
>very large part of the equation.

>Carl

Look where this kind of thinking has gotten Mr. Ziegler.

Warren
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.misc,alt.revisionism,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <IdvM8xS00WCZ4VEUdT@andrew.cmu.edu>, as7l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew B Stellman) writes:
>
>>
>>                         WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?
>>                          The Alarming Facts
>
>As an aside, one has to suspect any article whose title contains "the
>alarming facts." 
>
>Has anyone else noticed that all of Mr. Winston's anti-semitic (oops,
>sorry, "revisionist") posts are all written in the "shocking" and
>easy-to-read style of the National Enquirer or the Weekly World News or
>the Sun or the Globe? [The rags that run articles such as: "Bigfoot Baby
>Found," "Elvis Seen in Shopping Mall," "UFO's kidnap baby and molest
>mother," and "Horse With Human Head Adopted By Family Of UFO-Aliens And
>Kidnapped By Elvis And JFK While Posessed By The Devil.")
>
Has anyone else noticed that this article came from the National Association
for the Advancement of White People, which is essentially a Klan group.

Has anyone else noticed that the IHR, which is the source of all his other
articles, has shared personel and resources with organizations that 
distribute white-Supremicist and anti-Semitic literature, including
propaganda to recruit children for the KKK.

I wonder what the average reading level of the average KKK member is?

Please indicate if you want more details about the connection of the IHR
and other revisionists to hate groups.

>Andrew

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.men,soc.women,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Men Are Not Cost Effective
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:52:33 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <4591@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>
jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil writes:

>
>
>  Excerpted from Napa Writer Blames Maleness for Crime
>  by Ron Sonenshine
>  San Francisco Chronicle (April 6, 1992)
>  --
>  A Napa author has filed another salvo in the battle between the sexes,
>  arguing in a new book that the nation's annual $300 billion crime tab
>  is exclusively a masculine problem for which men alone should pay.
>
>  The thesis of [June Stephenson's "Men Are Not Cost Effective"], which
>  was published in October, is that men are bankrupting the country by
>  the cost of their incarceration. Nationwide, she said, 50,000 men are
>  added to prison populations each year, and males account for 93 percent
>  of all people incarcerated. According to the Criminal Justice Institute
>  of New York, approximately 800,000 prisoners occupy the nation's prisons.
>  The U.S. Department of Justice estimates that it costs from $12,000 to
>  $24,000 per year to house an inmate.
>
>  Stephenson believes that problems having to do with being born male are
>  to blame for rising inmate populations--not poor housing, bad schools or
>  single-parent families, as others have suggested.
>
>  "I'm not saying all men are criminals. But most criminals are, in fact,
>  men."
>
>  She proposed that men--not women--should bear the cost of imprisonment,
>  perhaps through a special tax.
>
>  According to Stephenson, women outnumber men in only two of 25 crime
>  categories listed by the U.S. Department of Justice--runaways and
>  prostitution.
>
>  "Boys are just geared for action," she said. "That's the testosterone."
>  --

Following the standard current arguments for affirmative action and
against the death penalty, I'd just like to say that if the percentage
of criminals that are male is not commensurate with the percentage of
the population that is male, then the system is discriminatory and
either fewer males should be arrested or more females should be arrested.
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From: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,misc.taxes,alt.civil-liberty,pnw.general
Subject: Re: FW: news release: abolish IRS
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:47:08 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Organization: General Electric Company

In article <visser.702539448@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com
(Lance Visser) writes:
>+>     The Libertarian Party is America's third largest and fastest
>growing
>+>political party. Libertarians believe "That government is best which
>governs
>+>least." The party supports civil liberties, a free market economy,
>and a
>+>non-interventionist foreign policy.
>
>	The party also supports the "right" of private discrimination in
>employment, housing, and "service".  
>
>
>	They believe that it is wrong to
>have laws that require doctors to help at the scene of an accident or
>an emergency.
>	They believe in repealing the various neutrality acts that prevent
>corporations from forming and supporting armies aboard and
>overthrowing
>governments abroad.
>	They believe in repeal of the child labor laws and the minimum wage.
>They believe in repeal of compulsory vaccination laws and in the
>establishment
>of a free market for human body parts.
>	They oppose laws requiring either air-bags or seat belts to be 
>provided as standard equipment in cars. 
>	In regard to the environment they believe that "strict liability, 
>not government agencies should regulate pollution."  They do not speak
>of
>what happens when the liable entity has ceased to exist through
>bankruptcy,
>disillusion or lack of funds.
>
>	[All the above is from the current Libertarian party platform.  The
>	 parts that usually are not part of the public pitch.]
>
    Sounds like my kind of party.  Where can I learn more about
    them ?  I thought the republicrats were the only game in town !!

    James Joseph
    joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com

PS: Come to think of it, I will support anybody who opposes that
      stupid motorized seatbelt in my camry.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden)
Subject: Re: Lib. prevention of pollution
    <1992Apr9.030711.8953@athena.mit.edu> <1992Apr9.202645.4049@cs.ucla.edu> 
    <1992Apr9.225651.17632@vexcel.com>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:53:26 GMT
Originator: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 664

In article <1992Apr9.225651.17632@vexcel.com>, dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:
|
|I think a key thing here would be to get rid of corporate shields.  If
|the result of corporate misdeeds of any type was that executives went
|to jail (or paid the fines personally), rather than passing fines on
|to shareholders or consumers, even a small percentage of convictions
|would have a significant deterrence.
|--
|
|               dingo in boulder        (dean@vexcel.com)

Words fail me in expressing how completely I agree.  Yes! And yes again!



-- 
--Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
        Hellenic poet of the same name.  |
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (James Woodyatt)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Priorities: S&L Scandal (I)
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.010710.21878@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
|> Yet who was it that wanted the government involved in Savings and Loans to
|> start with? No FSILC, no bailout.

Who was it that wanted a *government* in the first place?

No government; no bailout.


-- 
James Woodyatt  Space Systems/Loral   Palo Alto, CA   bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com

``And when he dreamed his ears drooled thirty weight engine oil
He took personality tests and stapled them to his lower lip''
				    --Stan Ridgway,
				      `Jack Talked (Like A Man On Fire)'
From: mehawk@reed.edu (Michael Sandy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Patriot Missile re-evaluation
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:36:41 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

I watched a discussion about the Patriot Missile's preformance and
was struck by something:

Apparantly the equipment which monitored its flight and would provide
information about its results interfered greatly with the operation
of the missile.  So we have a situation where the weapon supposedly
works better when noone can double-check the results.

Further, the deployment of the Patriot missile probably increased the
amount of damage in Israel because Patriot warheads and Patriot debris
crashed into inhabited areas.  There was even a film clip where it looked
like a Patriot crashed into a city right after launch.

The Pentagon expert explained an explosion on the ground following an
"intercept" was probably the fuel tank of the Scud exploding on the
ground, not the warhead.  I'm sure it was quite a consolation that the
damage was done by exploding rocket fuel and not an exploding warhead.

The lame-brained Larry King didn't exactly follow up on this point, hanging
the 'expert' with his own testimony wasn't on the schedule.


The Pentagon expert was going on about how without the Patriot the Israelis
would've had no defense, this was purest BS.  Without the Patriot they
would've gone after the launchers, which is, of course, the best defense.


Michael Sandy
"And yet another vote for the man with the funny voice!"
DRAFT TSONGAS
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,news.groups
Subject: Re: "Politically Correct" -- A Quote
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:38:42 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <9204051928.AA04965@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>Forwarded from:
>	misc.activism.progressive

Harel, wasn't the creation of misc.activism.progressive supposed to get rid
of all this posting of your articles to other groups?
--
This is a newer version of the memetic .signature infection.  Now that's an
idea.  Copy it into your .signature today!

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pciszek@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Class Warfare is STUPID
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 14:23:16 GMT

ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:


>	So even if they have the same school, class, teacher it won't help the
>hungry child as much as the well fed one. This is why we have Fedral breakfast
>and lunch programs, unfortunately they give the kids fat and shit to eat, but
>it's better than going hungry. That is until the 8 year olds start to die from
>clogged arteries in class.

I think this new variable can just be listed with the others without changing
the argument; given the same school, class, ... AND the same breakfast, some
kids will learn while others will doodle and goof off.

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | What's another word for "thesaurus"?
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 11:20:17 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
> 
> > The sun goes round the earth.
> 
> [blibbering from butt-pad mikey deleted]....
> 
> > The sun goes round the earth.
> > 
> 
> 
> You have a habit of repeating yourself... Is this perhaps due
> to some learning disorder like super-dyslexia or something???

No, I just thought that if you say something enough, people will start
to believe it.  Works for you, works for me.

> Is this normal? Are you speaking the way you need to hear 
> things in order to understand others?
> 
> Please tell us.
Knees well pus.



[Hey everybody, it's a cascade!!]



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: LP, GATT, and Beer (Was: Ross Perot)
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:28:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.201529.16008@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.172224.21645@kpc.com>,
>emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.195608.9372@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>>>When trade barriers raise the price (either by limiting the supply
>>>or causing duties to be added to costs) consumers have to pay more
>>>for the products they wish to purchase.  This was just as true for
>>>the Japanese after WWII as it was been for everyone everywhere.
>>>While I don't have any specific data handy on this particular
>>>subject I would be willing to bet that when the restrictions you
>>>cite were in effect, Japanese consumers were paying more for their
>>>TVs than they would have had to in the absence of any such
>>>restrictions.
>>>
>>They were paying more for their TV's. On the other hand, without
>>the protectionism, they probably wouldn't have had the jobs that
>>would have afforded them TV's in the first place.
>
>No, there would have been less jobs available in television
>building but that doesn't mean that there would have necessarily
>been less jobs -- just different job.  If were not cost effective
>to build TV's the investors putting their money into that industry
>would have looked for someplace they could have gotten a better
>return on their money than it making TVs.  The result would have
>been the creation of job in other industries *plus* imported TVs
>that were affordable by more people.
>
>/June

	What economic study of Japan are you basing this theory on?


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.flame
From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: ACLU
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:44:48 GMT

In article <ART.92Apr9230353@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>This is ludicrous.  You claim that because one word appears in a lengthy
>definition of another makes them synonyms.

No, I made no such claim.  The definitions that I cited simply demonstrate
that in the context that I used the words, they were essentially synonyms.
Furthermore, the whole issue is a red herring. If had thought to substitute
"legitimate power" for "right" originally, it would have made no difference
to the point that I was making.  None.  (Undoubtedly, the leftists would
then have hopped on some other quibble to evade the real issue.  Which
was, if you can remember, the ACLU vs. the community library.)