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From: cs50665@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Enter Scogman)
Subject: Re: Various and sundry thoughts..
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:16:36 GMT

In article <D40374W.92Jul20222622@kaira.hut.fi> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:
>I prefer Rush. Rush-influenced groups don't sound very exciting. 


Oh, I don't know.  You would be surprised how many groups have been 
influenced by Rush.  The three that I can think of I like a _lot_:
King's X
Primus
Metallica

Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 00:48:54 EDT

In article <1992Jul24.133720.7478@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:
 
>   How about "Jacob's Ladder"?  It starts out switching between 5/4 and
>6/4 EVERY MEASURE.
 
I've never seen the chart, but isn't it actually just in 11/4? Each 11 beat
section feels like a coherent unit, and the very fact that it "switches" every
measure would seem to me like it's a single 11 beat repeating unit. What do you
think?
 
Ethan Prater       PRAETHE@Yalevm.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson)
Subject: Re: One Liners
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:56:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.061342.10240@ultb.isc.rit.edu> geordie@nick.csh.rit.edu (Geordie 'Gweeb' Klueber) writes:
>"Image just an eyeless game" - Anagram (for Mongo)
>
>	This is poetry!  Multiple puns on multiple levels (in form,
>	meaning, etc...), along with a theme (that of "image" being
>	*perceived* by someone rather than being *seen* (visually),
>	and how a person/thing's "image" is nothing really more than a game-
>	it's the *content* that counts, not the image) all rolled
>	into one!  Damn, I love that line...  :-)
>
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Ah, but image is not just an i-less game...it is game with an extra i!

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							Harvey Mudd College
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: dougw@grebyn.com (Doug Worthington)
Subject: Re: One Liners
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:46:13 GMT

"Begin the day with a friendly voice..."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Various and sundry thoughts..
Organization: The rational midnight star
Date: 20 Jul 92 22:26:22

In article <1992Jul19.194430.13814@tamsun.tamu.edu> potter@scan2.tamu.edu (SHANE POTTER) writes:

	   I've got a couple of things on my mind...first, as an opinion directed
   towards all of the Queensryche discussion, my circle of friends here calls
   groups like Queensryche, Rush, Marillion, etc. Art-rock or intellectual-rock.

Sorry, but I just can't include Queensryche in the same category with
Rush and Marillion, especially if the category is titled "intellectual
rock". Granted, Operation: mindcrime has its high points, but they don't
come even close to an average Rush or Marillion (Fish era) tune. 

	   Second, I would appreciate any guidance towards which Rush songs are
   influenced by Rand books.  I just read _Atlas Shrugged_, and find myself
   very interested in reading more Rand (currently reading _Stand on Zanzibar_,

2112 is the most obvious one. But you know, it's really hard sometimes to
tell whether a particular song is inspired by someone/something or not. 
Generally, when people read influental books, this will lead to a change
in the reader's way of thinking, which may subsequently lead to inspiration
that one might find influenced by the book. 
Anthem would seem very Randian to me, anyway. And the phrase "something
for nothing" is in Atlas Shrugged, but then it's also in Huxley's Brave
new world and probably a dozen other books. If anyone happens to know
whose idea this originally is (Aristotle's? could be that old...), please
tell me. 

	   Also, I have not seen this name mentioned on this newsgroup, so I'll
   go ahead and throw it out.  If you're looking for more Rush-influenced groups,

I prefer Rush. Rush-influenced groups don't sound very exciting. 
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
From: petit@CAM.ORG (Francois Petitclerc)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Favorite One Liner
Summary: Cuts from simple wisdom
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:28:42 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, QC CANADA

I am new to Internet and I am overwhelmed by its scope and importance.  And,
of all things to be discussed...RUSH? Did you say RUSH?  Yes, there is a god
after all.

I'll just write a few from Presto, because as you'll agree, every album from
RUSH has a song that heeds a part of our life.

Here goes:

         Proud swagger out of the schoolyard (Didn't you ever feel this once...)
         - The Pass
         let's paint the mirror black (Less of the image, more of the substance)
         - War Paint(rightfully titled)
         Ignorance breeds imitation (and imitation breeds confirmity?)
         - Chain Lightning
         package the illusion of persona (Values shaped by the media...)
         - Superconductor

F.

Francois Petitclerc
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Various and sundry thoughts..
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<Brr43q.5xy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:51:08

In article <Brr43q.5xy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs50665@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Enter Scogman) writes:

   >I prefer Rush. Rush-influenced groups don't sound very exciting. 

   Oh, I don't know.  You would be surprised how many groups have been 
   influenced by Rush.  The three that I can think of I like a _lot_:
   King's X
   Primus
   Metallica

Nyuck, nyuck. Of course I meant bands who resemble Rush. That was the
point in what I commented to. I've never heard one King's X tune. Primus
sounds ok (I've heard only one song), and Metallica has been dead ever
since "puppets". 
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: Other Faves / Intro / One Liners
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:46:05 GMT

In <1992Jul31.115353.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu> grljl@cs.ulowell.edu (John Peter Lee) writes:
>Intro:

>	Was back in 8th grade (1977-ish) when my buddy got ATWAS thru
>	Columbia House Record club (you know 11 records for a penny).
>	I thought "how can 3 guys make so much music ?". The album still
>	is their best live work IMHO, because it is more raw and powerfulk
>	than the others. Just listen to Anthem at full-volume - you'd 
>	swear you are at the concert!!!

Well said. Whereas it seems that later live albums _don't_ sound as
good as the studio work, there's no question that ATWAS blows away all
studio recordings of the same songs. I mean, even the stuff from
"Rush" sounds *great* on this album: "What You're Doing," "In The
Mood," "Finding My Way," etc.


-- 
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....not related to Karl, Groucho, Harpo, or Richard....
Does a mild-mannered college student need a disclaimer?
From: adam@micromuse.co.uk (Adam Kerrison)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Next to Rush, favorite artist(s)
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:32:30 GMT
Reply-To: adam@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: Micromuse Ltd, London, UK

OK, hear goes, apart from RUSH my fav bands are:

1) Marillion
2) Van Halen
3) Extreme
4) Metallica

not necessarily in that order but its pretty close :-) 

I could list about 10 or 12 other bands/individuals that are also in my
personal hit list but the list varies at lot depending on who's just brought
an album out !

Adam

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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Next to Rush, favorite artist(s)
Keywords: Rush
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:03:19 GMT

In article <Bs4n2o.30o@ngc.com> kena@ngc.com (Ken Anderson) writes:
>Name your 1-3 favorite non-Rush musical artists.

1. The Police
2. Chick Corea's Elektric Band and the Akoustic Band
3. Harry Connick
(4. Bowie)

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From: lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Queenryche and Rush (was Re: Proposal for alt.music.queensryche)
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:22:00 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul22.192943.18255@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric
A. Meyer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson) says,
>in part:
>
>>I'd always believed that Rush fans were reasoning 
>>individuals who understood and believed in what the band had to say.
>>Now I'm convinced that rush-fandom isn't necessarily correlated
>>with rationality or intelligence; it's just the same as people in general:
>>95% are clueless arrogant bastards.
>
>   Interesting--in my experience, Rush fans are generally more reasoning
>and open-minded than the average.  Then again, perhaps I'm thinking of
>people who *listen* to Rush, not just own their albums. 
>
>               -EMeyer
>




I hesitate to say anything 'cuz I know it will be misunderstood and yet I feel
some consoling need be given here.  There was a time when Rush was a major
inspiring force for many individuals.  Before the 3 minute air-play songs when
people listened to appreciate and understand the music there was a kind of Rush
fan bond.  As a result of changes in their style of music and the impatience of
some of the new listeners there are the surface nouveauRush fans that just
equate Rush with any other band ignorant and brash about anything special. 
People also use to take time to listen.  I think it's obvious by many of the
posts here that many people own Rush albums, but don't listen or haven't been
shown how.  

As for Queensryche, I can't believe I'm breaking down and commenting.  I
listened to them before they became popular.  I really liked the Warning album
because it was an esoteric theme album, then they came out with a bogus wimpy
album (defined by having words like, ooooooo, baby, lady, night,
etc...rubbish).  Even Operation Mindcrime was a Pink Floyd rip off, well they
had their producer.  Anyways, Queensryche has a lot of potential, but they are
not in the same league as Rush and if you don't understand that, then maybe it
would help to "listen to some Pre-Signals Rush, follow the lyrics and use a
dictionary (so like elevate from the norm, eh?).

"Doing what you can they can't understand what it means ...hang on to your
plans try as they might they cannot steal your dreams.  In the betrayal of his
love he awakened to face a world of cold reality ...awakened him to what he
could do ...they tried to fight him just couldn't beat him... doing what you
can, they can't understand what it means.  Try as they might they cannot steal
your dreams."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cs50665@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Enter Scogman)
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:45:22 GMT

In article <16831D889.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:
>people like Stravinsky, Berg, Berlioz, etc. were never constrained by standard
>time signatures--there's lot's of 11/4 in Rite of Spring, for example. It

I'm sorry for splitting hairs, especially on a net that is not devoted
to classical music, but I'll do it anyway.  The people mentioned above
were writing before the modern musical writing methods were developed
(as for as time signatures, and measures, etc, etc)  And as far as etiquette
was concerned, only groups of 3/4 and 4/4 wer used in Rites of Spring.
But modern transcribers have no qualms about writing in 11/4 so the
music is listed as such.....  Just a minor technicality

Chris
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: voivod@chopin.udel.edu (Nicholas Cecene)
Subject: B-Man on WMMR this afternoon...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:24:49 GMT

Subject sez it all.  He was on during the work force blocks when
Pierre (god bless him (and the Grateful Dead!)) played a block o'
Rush to celebrate the Great Geddsby's B-day.  Even threw in a
"Fly By Night" :-)

He didn't say anything substantial (i.e. no news of the boys going
into the studio...) just a confirmation of Neil's mohawk.  God
save the poor man...wait 'til his wife sees him...=8-0

One of these days, I'm going to call Pierre and see if I can get
in touch with the B-Man myself.  He might be rather interested in
the net...

Oh, wait.  He did have one piece of news.  Visions part two is
*written*.  However, when asked about a release date, he didn't 
sound too optimistic.....

Jack Straw
"We can share what we got of yours cause we done shared all of mine!"
voivod@chopin.udel.edu
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Other-than-Rush favorites
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:37:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <Bs7JA6.C9L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dorlexa ) writes:

>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>In article <1992Jul29.205304.7947@ncsu.edu> tcnolan@unity.ncsu.edu (Troy Nolan) writes:

>>>As we all know, the boyz added "Vital Signs", "Analog Kid" and "The
>>>Trees" to the set on the last leg of the RTB tour. Which of these 
>>>was the biggest shock/joy to our readers?

>>>For me it had to be AKid. I never thought I would see it performed 
>>>again. It excited me more than "xananu" did on Presto.  

>>For me as well. The extra chorus was great and the sub-sonic
>>bass pedals were _incredible_! I could have sworn they recorded
>>the tune this year, the way they performed it...

>Really?  You liked the performance?  I thought AKid was their worst
>song that they performed.  But that could be because I haven't heard
>it in a long time.  What was the extra chorus?  I remember on Time
>Stand Still he changed words from "Pilgrims learn to transcend" to
>"some of US learn to transcend."  I thought that was cool.

Yeah, I liked the performance at Great Woods, here in Mass.
I talked to someone else here on campus today who felt the
same way. 

The words were not changed so far as I could tell, they just
ran through the same chorus one more time -- I was just into 
the pedals which really kick in on the chorus. I believe the
original line from TST is ``Like a pilgrim who's learned to 
transcend'' -- the change you heard sounds good to me!


Gregg

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From: rob@eebbs.isis.org (Rob Mayer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Moving Pictures Back
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 09:21:07 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE) writes:

> I've always wondered about this since I got the album(along time ago....)
> 
> For those of you out there, can anyone tell me what is the brownish shape
> that is partially obscurring the Witchhunt picture on the back of the album.
> I've pondered the possibilities but still can't come up with a reasonable
> answer as to what it is...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dave
> 

If you are talking about the picture where the people are setting
things up for the picture of the album cover then I think that
one of the little girls that are being 'moved' by the "moving pictures"
is standing in front of the picture. At first glance it looks like 
someone put a jacket on the woman in the witchhunt picture.

Rob
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: djd33237@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Denny d'Alelio )
Subject: Re: Queenryche and Rush (was Re: Proposal for alt.music.queensryche)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:36:31 GMT

jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.220349.152@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
>>
>>I'm getting sick of reading about Queenysucky on this news group!!!!
>>couldn't you guys pick some other group to torture with your non-
>>sense!!!!!! This group is for Rush!!! Maybe you guys didn't read
>>the group right and you thought it was for that sorry excuse for a
>>band you call Queenysucky or what ever their name is!
>>[insert finger into mouth] and I fully agree with "goo" they suk!!!!
>>

>	Geez, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?  :-)

>	Just because Queensryche has eclipsed Rush as the premiere "thinking-
>man's" rock band is no reason to be so childishly bitter. 


WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!
From: dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:48:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Rush Firsts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush

   My first introduction to RUSH was actually quite a while ago.  Back in 
Detroit I was listening to CKLW (out of Canada) and heard an advertisement for
a bar band called RUSH.  They were going to be playing at a bar in Windsor and
in the background all I really heard was the opening guitar scrape from the 
intro of Anthem.  I was so taken I looked until I found a RUSH album and bought
it.  It turned out to be the first one, since Fly By Night wasn't released yet,
and though I was disapointed that I could hear the "song with the guitar 
scrape", I loved what I heard (the guitar solo on Here Again is still one of
my favorites).
   Of course I still kick myself for NOT going across the river to see RUSH
live!!

Doug Steele  (Am I really getting that old!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: grljl@cs.ulowell.edu (John Peter Lee)
Subject: Other Faves / Intro / One Liners
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:53:53 GMT


Ive decided to combine 3 recent threads in this reply -> save BW 8-}


Other favorite artists:

	Red Lorry, Yellow Lorry (esp pre- Paint Your Wagon)
	OLD Sisters of Mercy (when they were a band, not just Andy E. -
				pre - Floodland stuff )
	The Godfathers
	The Smithereens


Intro:

	Was back in 8th grade (1977-ish) when my buddy got ATWAS thru
	Columbia House Record club (you know 11 records for a penny).
	I thought "how can 3 guys make so much music ?". The album still
	is their best live work IMHO, because it is more raw and powerfulk
	than the others. Just listen to Anthem at full-volume - you'd 
	swear you are at the concert!!!

	Well, then saw them for AFTK tour, and was completely hooked.
	The rest is history...


One-Liner:

	Geddy in ATWAS Bastille Day:

	left ear					right ear

	" WOW			
							"  WOW  "

	" WOW "


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JP Lee			UMass Lowell Graphics Research Laboratory
(508) 934-3384			             grljl@cs.ulowell.edu
From: iyengars@pub2.bu.edu (Sridhar Iyengar)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: July 29---A very Important Day for Neil Peart
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:25:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


    I'd also like to include a congratulations to Neil since this also 
commemorates the day he joined Da Band!

 - Sridhar
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Favorite One Liner
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:23:03 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Here is a favorite quote (from Hemispheres):

"We can walk our road together, if our goals are all the same.
 We can run alone and free, if we pursue a diff'rent aim.
 Let the truth of Love be lighted, let the love of Truth shine clear.
 Sensibility, armed with sense and liberty, with the Heart and Mind
    united in a single perfect sphere."


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From: jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson)
Subject: Re: Rush, favorite artist(s)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:38:52 GMT


This is gonna be tricky, so I'm not going to limit myself to three.

Non-pop Genesis
Non-"Big Generator" Yes
Police/Sting/Stuart Copeland
Spyro Gyra
pre-"Monolith" Kansas
Satriani & Stuart Hamm

Huh, there's more, but I'll cut it off there.

						John
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Next to Rush, favorite artist(s)
Keywords: Rush
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:17:01 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> HOWEVER, what are your top 1-3 musical artists besides Rush?
> Surely you must listen to other artists.

I see your point, but we come here to talk about Rush.  This is
an innapropriate spot to pull out the artists that other's listen
to.  I like all sorts of music, and listen to other artists.  
However, when I come here, I plan to think nothing other than Rush.

Take care,
Eric

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