From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Ena sxolio gia tis ellinikes frgates.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:03:52 GMT

jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis) writes:

>	Euxaristw olous gia tis apantiseis tous peri "Meco200" etc.

>	Einai entiposiakes i agores pliwn pou kanei i Ellada, alla omws
>amphivalw an einai kai toso swstes, kai o logos einai:

>	Simfona me moderno dwgma to kirio oplo einai o puraulos (guided missile)
>kai evavtion tetiou oplou i fregates einai evalwtes. To simperasma auto den
>einai mono diko mou alla ekfrazetai apo polous eidikous sta biblia pou grafoun
>girw apo stratiotika themata, epipleon i Australiani aeroporia (RAAF) prin
>ligo kairo anakinwse oti einai pio ikani na difila3i ti xwra apo nautiki 
>epithesi para to nautiko, pou as simiothi oti einai poli isxiro me '6' fregates
>"Oliver Hazard Perry", '3' "Adams", kai alla paliotera pou tha
>antikatastathoun makriprothesma apo '8' "Meco200".

 Xm, ma oi fregates einai ploia synodias. Skopos tous einai na diafilaksoun
 thn apostolh efodiwn pros ta ellhnika nhsia.

 Apo thn allh pleura, oi phravlakatoi 0a analaboun na bouliaksoun tis
 tourkikes fregates se periptwsh pou 0a 0elisoun na kanoun apobash se
 kanena nisi.

>	Auto ofiletai stous "HARPOON" pou metaferoun ta '75' "FA-18A" kai '24'
>"F-111C" kai '20' "P-3C Orion".
>	Akoma prosfata paradigmata opws auto me ti fregata "Stark" (tipou Perry)
>pou efage "Exoset" apo Irakino aeroplano tin epoxi tou polemou Iran-Iraq.
>To "Shefild" (bretaniko tipou 42) pou efage "Exoset" sto polemo ton Fauklands.
>I katastrofi 12-15 puraulakatwn you Iraq sto plolemo tou kolpou se 2 meres apo
>"Sea skua" apo bretanika elikoptera 'Lynx' kai bombes apo amerikanika 'A-6E'.

 Nai, alla allo pragma o kolpos, kai allo to aigaio, me ta xiliades nisakia.

>	Ola auta dixnoun oti o kaluteros tropos na beltiosoume to nautiko 
>einai na beltiwsoume tin aeroporia!

 Oxi aparaithta. Omws, mia dynath aeroporia einai poli symantiko pragama oxi
 mono gia to nautiko, alla kai gia olh thn xwra.

>	Simfoneitai i diafoneitai?

>I apli mou logiki vasizetai se 3 stixia.
>	Prwto, oti i purauloi 'aeros-epifanias' twn aeroplanwn einai 
>apotelesmatikoi se apostasi 30km (Penguin), 40-60 km (Exoset) kai 100+ km 
>(Harpoon).  Enw oi purauloi 'epifanias-aeros' twn fregatwn einai mono 
>apotelesmatikoi mexri 25 km (Sea-sparow apo p.x. Kontenear), 30-40 km (Tartar
>apo Adams), 67-74 km (Standard apo Perry). 	Me alla logia to aeroplano
>mporei na htipisi to plio xwris na mporei auto na andapodwsei, ara to aeroplano
>exei ti stratigiki iperoxi.

 Oxi apolita swsto.  Yparxoun kai hlektronika mesa, pou mporoun na ksegelasoun
 ton pyrablo, idiaitera ean aftos ektokseftei apo makrinh apostash.  Gia na
 einai poio epitixhs h bolh, to aeroplano prepei na er0ei konta sto ploio,
 opote einai eualoto sthn anti-aeroporiki prostasia tou ploiou.

>	Deutero, me ta US$ 200 million peripou pou stixixei mia fragata, 
>agorazonte 4 aeroplana kai 180 'Harpoon' peripou. An ipothesoume oti i
>fregata exei 99% pithanotita na aminthi apenanti se epithesi me puraulo,
>pou einai ipervoliko alla as ipothesoume twra, tote 2 purauloi tha prepi na
>perasoun kai tote i pleura me ti fregata den tha exei tipota enw i pleura
>me ta aeroplana tha ehei toulahiston ta aeroplana tis. An ta aeroplana einai
>tixera kai xtipisoun o 45 kai 63 puraulos tote tha periseusoun kai 117 Harpoon
>kai i niki se economicous orous tha einai me ti pleura pou eixe ta aeroplana.
>(mi me pare3igisete xreiazonte ploia, alla mono otan exeis tin ishiroteri
>aeroporia wste na ta xrisimopiis apotelesmatika kai xwris fovo).

 Blepe parapanw sxolio gia ton rolo ths fregatas.

>	Trito, purauloi (ala Exoset) mporoun twra na extoxeuonte apo tin
>xira apo fortiga gia paradigma, xwris fovo gia to fortigo, pou einai poli
>ftino sigritika. Me alla logia ta nisia mas gia paradigma apoteloun me tetia
>fortiga abithistes 'puraulakati' (opws i litourgia elikopterwn kai aeroplanwn
>kathista ta nisia abithista aeroplanofora) !

 Afto einai poli dynato oplo sta xeria ths elladas. Gia afto kai oi tourkoi
 skouzoun gia to oti h ellada eksoplizei ta ellhnika nhsia.

>	Xairetw.

 Lalhmera se olous sas,

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