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From: csmith@cc.gatech.edu (Christopher Smith)
Subject: Re: Tennis Broadcast in Europe
Reply-To: csmith@cc.gatech.edu (Christopher Smith)
Organization: Software Research Center, Georgia Tech
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:00:23 GMT


M. Liu writes:

> I knew we were deprived, but I didn't realize just how badly.  It all
> comes down to the fact that tennis broadcast in the U.S. does not
> get enough people to watch, that is, it gets poor ratings.  What about
> in U.K.?  Apparently these telecasts must have an audience or they
> wouldn't be shown so extensively.  Or perhaps the European countries
> are less obsessed about ratings than in this country?

I heard or read somewhere that the ATP championships last year was one
of the most watched (if not the most watched) sporting events ever in
Germany.  Imagine, if you will, the U.S. Open finals garnering as big
or bigger an audience than the Super Bowl in the USA!  That is the
difference between the popularity of tennis in the USA and the
popularity of tennis in Europe.

In addition, with all the new tournaments going on in south and east
Asia, you can be sure that there will be a tennis boom in this region
(already, some of the best-ever tennis players from Japan, Indonesia,
etc., are rising through the ranks, which will further increase the
already high popularity of the sport in this region).
   
Therefore,  I expect changes in USA-based sports broadcast channels
like ESPN to cover more tennis will come only very slowly, and that
we will have to look to international markets, as they become
available, for significantly better tennis coverage.
   
..Chris

--
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College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: NY Times Article about Mary Pierce
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:52:22 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Originator: clin@state.eng.umd.edu


In article <1993Jan11.195154.24219@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>Since I don't want to be accused for plagiarism, I won't provide
>any details about Hahn's article here. :-)
>

   Well, plagiarism is a little different than copying down what
someone else wrote.   One might be infringing on copyright laws
and such (though I doubt it), but copying someone else's work
as long as the work is acknowledged is not plagiarism.   However,
if you were to claim that you went and interviewed Mary Pierce and
her father, when you didn't, then that would be plagiarism.

    Of course, now that you have been absolved on plagiarism,
what's the scoop?

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: rmascaro@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Robert Mascaro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Hopman Cup Update
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:05:43 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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I was actually at the match and here is was I think. Jana and Korda won
the first 3 games convincinly volleying confidently. They won the first
set easily. After that the amount of unforced errors they made
(especially at the net) was amazing. They lost the match not the other
way. Jana and Korda were getting more and more upset at each other as
they made more mistakes (they spat it). They then argued at the calls
which I must say were questionable (the linespeople were shit). Hence
they lost.
Regards
Rob.
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From: donna@attic.bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Re: Pro-tennis Not Well-Served in the U.S.
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:55:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.140626.69007@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
|> 
|> >The small number of magazines bothers me less than the poor quality.
|> >that too much to ask for?
|> > ... stuff deleted...
|> >M. Liu
|> >
|> I like your thoughts.  Yes, I would like to see Tennis do less techie stuff
|> ...stuff deleted
|> I think what's lacking is good tennis writers.  Hey, they can hire me.
|> 
|> I also wonder why the magazine is 2 months behind the rest of the world?
|> -- 

My problem is exactly this!  Much of the magazine is so outdated
(especially if you read rec.sport.tennis :-) ) that it isn't even 
interesting anymore.  Occasionally they have good interviews.  I hate
to say it, but the best part is probably the gossip at the beginning!

|> 
|> ------------------------
|> |   Gail A. Fullman    |
|> |   Manager - ADMO     |
|> |   Ext. 83113         |
|> ------------------------


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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Agassi
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:26:58 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu


    Last week, on the Ben Stiller show (this show spoofs various other shows
and is shown on Fox network) they pretended there was this action adventure
show a la Rambo starring Andre Agassi and Cyborg Martina made out to look
sort of like Arnold's Terminator.   

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: mzedtwit@iiic.ethz.ch (Maximilian Joachim Paul Zedtwitz)
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:28:39 GMT

M.Liu writes:
>Wow, you lucky people in Sweden actually get to see this tournament on TV?
>That's really something.  We in the United States get no more than the scores
>in the newspapers; nothing on TV at all.
>In fact, I don't think we will see anything on TV until the Australian Open.

We get to see it too, here in Switzerland. It's on the newly established
German Sports Channel. Actually, they broadcast TWO tournaments: the Qatar
Open and the Hopman Cup.
Matches with German participation are sometimes covered by some other German
Satelitte Channel (SAT-1). The same hold true for Swiss participation and
Swiss Channels, of course.
As far as Tennis TV coverage is concerned, the Europeans seem to be better off
than the Americans. Less commercials and less series, though!

Maxi
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:05:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I forgot to mention that in the Hopman Cup, the semifinals will shake
out as follows:

     Spain vs. Czech republic
     France vs. (Germany or Ukraine)

..Chris

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College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Pro-tennis Not Well-Served in the U.S.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:16:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.185533.17317@walter.bellcore.com> donna@attic.bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.140626.69007@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
>|> 
>|> >The small number of magazines bothers me less than the poor quality.
>|> >that too much to ask for?

>|> I like your thoughts.  Yes, I would like to see Tennis do less techie stuff

>|> I also wonder why the magazine is 2 months behind the rest of the world?
>
>My problem is exactly this!  Much of the magazine is so outdated
>(especially if you read rec.sport.tennis :-) ) that it isn't even 
>interesting anymore.  Occasionally they have good interviews.  I hate
>to say it, but the best part is probably the gossip at the beginning!

Well, the solution is easy: stop reading rec.sport.tennis. :-)

Seriously, as Chris Smith and I already mentioned a few days ago,
Tennis Week is probably the answer. It is a publication dedicated
to covering professional tennis and is published bi-weekly during
the pro-tennis "season." The information is quite current. There
are plenty of articles about tournaments and players as well as
a lot of gossip too. I have some reservation about this magazine
because of its apparent bias and the errors in it. If one can get
a subscription as part of your USTA membership, it is a very good
deal (depending on your address or the USTA Section you are in).
Otherwise, it costs $40 a year.

Disclaimer: Other than being a subscriber, I am not associated with
Tennis Week.
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From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Broadcast in Europe
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:28:16 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA


In article <1993Jan9.125732.2327@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:

>
>Perhaps with improved communication technology and increased bandwidth,
>in the future, we can get European sports channels as part of the cable
>package here in the US. I just do see that happening any time soon.
>-- 

I am just curious if there are any satellite dish owners (from US)
reading this article, if so is it possible to get European channels,
or for that matter any channels from the other continents.


As far as ESPN not covering tennis to other questionable stuff, I think
there is a lot of junk that can be eliminated to create space for tennis.
Here in Philadelphia we also get Sports Channel (SC), sometimes they
have tennis shows (half hour to minor tournaments), but they
spend hours showing roller skating or pro wrestling which I don't
think qualifies as a sport, these can be shown on other channels.

Last summer SC had a 2-3 hour show covering International  sports
from the weird and wacky to the downright serious (they even had cricket
- the legacy of the British empire :-) ) which was all great to watch.

As far as being distracted by American pro sports like football, baseball,
etc. After the summer olympics I pretty much lost interest and
had stopped watching them for a while but being a sports fan and not 
having other options on tv, I am back at it.
---
arijit
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:10:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <1993Jan7.192839.11444@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> mzedtwit@iiic.ethz.ch
(Maximilian Joachim Paul Zedtwitz), in response to my posting, writes:
>
>We get to see it too, here in Switzerland. It's on the newly established
>German Sports Channel. Actually, they broadcast TWO tournaments: the Qatar
>Open and the Hopman Cup.
>Matches with German participation are sometimes covered by some other German
>Satelitte Channel (SAT-1). The same hold true for Swiss participation and
>Swiss Channels, of course.
>As far as Tennis TV coverage is concerned, the Europeans seem to be better off
>than the Americans. Less commercials and less series, though!
>
I am green with envy.  There was something I read not long ago about some
European TV channel that was going to be carried on cabla networks in
this country.  If the channel is the German ports Channel,
I am signing up for it.

By the way, any word on Marc Rosset?  Has he pulled out of the 
Australian Open?  What's his illness?

M. Liu, one of the deprived tennis fans in the U.S.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: CASTILLO@tango.cchs.su.oz.au (Tony Castillo)
Subject: Re: News, Jan 12
Keywords: News, Results
Organization: University of Sydney CCHS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:31:27 GMT

In article <79847@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher 
Smith) writes:
 
>Tournament Results from Today:

>  + Sydney
>    ------
>    Sampras(1) d. Medvedev         2-6 6-3 6-2
>    E. Sanchez d. Krajicek(2)      7-5 7-5

The scores should be 7-6 7-6 between E. Sanchez d. Krajicek

>    Ferreira(4) d. Apell (Sweden)  6-2 7-5
>    Tebbutt d. Bruguera(6)         6-7 7-6 6-4 (had to get his name right!)

Tebbutt is rank 870th but is currently rank No. 2 in the US College Tennis
Circuit.  He is still an amateur and therefore cannot collect any price 
money.



>...Chris

>-- 
>Christopher Smith                        csmith@cc.gatech.edu
>College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937

thanks,
tony
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: News, Jan 7
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:19:45 GMT

In article <79400@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:

As Chris Smith reported earlier, Graf d. Tauzart  6-3, 6-4

>Stich went on to win his singles match in the third set and so 
>Germany advances to the finals of the Hopman Cup to play Spain.

Stich d. Forget  6-2, 6-7 (1-7), 7-6 (7-2)

>Steffi Graf injured her right ankle in the mixed doubles match
>(played best-of-1-set), but the injury is described as not
>serious.  I don't have any more details or the exact scores.

During the mixed-doubles, Germany was up 4-2 when Graf injured
her ankle. She elected to retire to avoid further injury. But
Germany advances to the final anyway winning 2-1 in matches and
will play Spain in the final. I understand that the final will be
shown live in certain countries in Europe. In the US, ESPN will
show the Hopman Cup highlights on Sunday afternoon at 3:30pm EST.

Steffi Graf doesn't seem to have much luck with the Hopman Cup.
She got the flu last year during it and eventually had to withdraw
from the Australian Open.
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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:25:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.160103.4683@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:

>In article <79121@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:
>>Tournament Results (all 1st round, Monday)
>>
>>  + Doha, Qatar
>>    -----------
>>    Ivanisevic(2) d. Henrick Jan-Davids  6-2 6-4
>>    Cherkasov(4) d. Schaller (Austria)   4-6 6-4 6-4


>Thanks, Chris, for informing us.  Just curious: where is Qatar?  I
>would guess that it's near Australia?  And do you know if the tournament
>is indoor or outdoor?
>
>M. Liu

	It is in the middle-east, diametrically opposite to Australia ;-)
	I would suspect it is an indoor event... judging from the 
	geographical location of Qatar.

Regards,
Bhaskar..
From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ** HOPMAN CUP : JAN 5 1992 HOT NEWS!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:25:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

A big upset?


FRENCH ADVANCE AFTER DRAMATIC WIN OVER USA!!

France last nite won a test of endurance to march into the semis of the
pepsi hopman cup at the burswood superdome/resort casino perth western
australia.

It was a case of last player standing with mary joe fernandez (ill call
fern.) battling illness and fatigue to see the match to its end.

In a drama packed tie, tauziat and guy forget endured over fern. and
malivai washington 2-1. Fern. gave the usa the start they needed beating
tauziat 6-1 6-7 6-4, but then forget levelled the tie with a 6-3 6-4 win
over highly ranked washington.

the french pair then combined to win the deviding mixed doubles rubber
in straight sets 6-3 6-2.

At one stage there was some doubt about a result being acheved in the
women's singles, with fern. digging deep to push through the pain
barrier and it each change of ends she buried her face in a towel.

twice in the final set fern. needed to call the tournament doctor to her
side at the change of ends. fern. complained of nausea and giddiness
beofre completing her victory in almost ttwo and a half hours.


there was no hint of the drama that unfolded when the american claimned
the first set 6-1.

the first sign that things were not entired right with fern. came in the
middle stages of the 2nd set. when she began to move lethargically and
struggled to produce any pace on her ground strokes.

but it still seemed she had the match in  her keeping when she served at
5-3!!!!

she could not however complete the assignment!!
tauziat fought back gamely and forced a tie break which she eventuallly
won!.

having forced the match into the mixed doubles, the french firmed to
favouritism. 

and they lived up to that billing with a devisive straight sets
performance which carries them into a semi-final showdown with the
winner of tonites clash between germany and ukraine

now its either aust. or czech. rep vs spain in the group a semi
and ukraine or germany to play france in the group b semi

expect a tight performance from ukraine, andrei medvedev and sister are
a dark horse. for the first time in the 1993 hopman cup, and the first
time for 1993, we see the german combination of steffi graf and compaq
cup winner michael stich.

i expect a spain vs germany final, but argh!! i can't pick who to win.
it's very tight.

the spanish brother sister combination of emilo and arantxa sanchez
should have a possible advantage in the mixed doubles?





Bryan   blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:23:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.160103.4683@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
>In article <79121@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:
>>  + Doha, Qatar
>>    -----------
>>    Ivanisevic(2) d. Henrick Jan-Davids  6-2 6-4
  [ other results deleted ]

>>    Edberg(1) and Becker(3) are also in this tournament and will
>>    play their first round matches today or tomorrow.

>Thanks, Chris, for informing us.  Just curious: where is Qatar?  I
>would guess that it's near Australia?  And do you know if the tournament
>is indoor or outdoor?

Actually, Qatar is a country in the Middle East asjacent to
Saudi Arabia. This tournament in Doha is a new event. Clearly,
it has attracted some top players.
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From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:39:50 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <93005.174250IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, ABHAY <IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> It may or may not be indoor tournament.. It is very hot out there, but if
>  the players are trying to get acclimatized for the Aust. open then the
> tourn.. may be outdoor..

Judging by the TV pictures they seem to be playing indoors...

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Hopman Cup Update
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:13:31 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Spain defeats the Czech republic in a dramatic mixed doubles match and
thus advances to the finals of the Hopman Cup.  The Spanish team were
down a set and a break before reeling off 5 straight games to win the
second set.

    Sanchez Vicario d. Novotna     6-3 6-3
    Korda d. Sanchez               6-3 6-4
    Spain d. Czech (mixed)         3-6 6-3 7-5

..Chris

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From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:09:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <1ieqvmINNcau@corax.udac.uu.se> chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
>In article <93005.174250IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, ABHAY <IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>> It may or may not be indoor tournament.. It is very hot out there, but if
>>  the players are trying to get acclimatized for the Aust. open then the
>> tourn.. may be outdoor..
>
>Judging by the TV pictures they seem to be playing indoors...
>
>- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se

Wow, you lucky people in Sweden actually get to see this tournament on TV?
That's really something.  We in the United States get no more than the scores
in the newspapers; nothing on TV at all.
In fact, I don't think we will see anything on TV until the Australian Open.

M. Liu
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: News, Jan 11
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:26:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


A few early tournament results (1st round) tidbits for today:

  + Sydney (men and women are playing here)
    ------
    Sabatini(1) d. Date         7-5 6-2
    Appelmans d. Garrison(8)
    Rittner d. Sukova(6)                      (Sukova ret. in third set)
    Fendick d. Strnadova        7-5 6-2

    Mary Joe Fernandez withdrew because of illness.

    Tibbit(sp?) d. Bruguera(6)  6-7 7-6 6-4   (ranked in the 800's)
    Stolle d. L. Jensen         6-3 6-2


  + Melbourne
    ---------
    Coetzer d. Endo             4-6 6-1 6-2
    Halard d. Basuki            6-3 7-5


..Chris

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From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: International Tennis Periodicals
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:14:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


All this talk about the quality of (print) tennis coverage in
the USA is fascinating, but I am curious as to how European and
Australian tennis coverage stacks up, particularly print
coverage.

Would anyone care to comment on or make recommendations on
non-USA tennis periodicals or tennis news magazines and their
perceived quality, either general or specific?  (BTW, not
necessarily English-language periodicals).

Thanks.

..Chris

----
Edberg and Becker advance in the 1st round at the Qatar Open,
Becker in 3 sets and Edberg in straight sets.  More details
later.
----


-- 
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College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937