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From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Airporyt Security (fwd)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:37:13 GMT


 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:01:35 PDT
 From: rawles@valmet.dazixca.ingr.com (James Wesley Rawles)
 Message-Id: <9207292101.AA01620@valmet.daisy.com>
 To: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu
 Subject: Airporyt Security
 
 Jim:
 
 RE:
 
 #My gunsmith has a similar (.45 acp) ;-{) and got hassled about it
 #in the Indianapolis airport a few years ago.  He wasn't getting
 #on a plane, but wanted to go into an area beyond the machine,
 #can't remember the name of the area though ;-{). 
 
 
 This reminds me of one of my college roommate's favorite stories. In the 
 early 1980s, he and his father flew down to L.A. to tour the Weatherby 
 plant and to meet Roy Weatherby. Roy presented my roommate with a souvenier 
 tie tack, cast in pewter, in the shape of a Weatherby bolt action rifle. 
 It was mounted on a piece of foam rubber, inside a clear plastic "gem 
 case". The tie tack measured about 1-1/2 inches long.
 
 Back at L.A. International, when they passed through security for the 
 return flight to San Francisco, their carry-on bags were of course scanned 
 and searched. A female security guard in her 40s saw the gem case with the 
 tie tack, and started SCREAMING: "He's got a gun!, he's got a gun!"  
 Soon after, every security guard and police officer within earshot came 
 running, some with pistols drawn.
 
 It took quite a while to explain to the idiot security guard that a solid 
 cast piece of pewter 1-1/2 inches long could not possibly be a functional 
 rifle. She kept saying things like: "I don't know, I don't know, you'se 
 gonna have to talk to my supervisor. It looks like a gun to me." Fully a 
 half hour later, they were cleared throuh security to the gate and could 
 board their plane. There were of course no apologies from the airport 
 security staff. 
 
 This hardly instills confidence in th etraining adn competence of airport 
 security guards.  Where do they hire these idiots?
 
 ---
 Jim Rawles
 
 Clearwater Trading Co.
 
 days:  (415) 691-6441
 eves:  (510) 226-1937
 
 "It is seldom that any liberty is lost all at once."
 	- David Hume
 
 P.S.: Feel free to post this to the net.
 
 "Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
 Though all the world betrays thee.
 One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
 One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 for 1000 yd. Matches
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:15 GMT
Organization: who knows

In article <n-hmkj#.messina@netcom.com>, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes...
#infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell) writes:
# 
## As the air density decreases the speed of sound increases. 
# 
#I think it's the exact opposite.  The higher the density, the faster
#the speed of sound.

The speed of sound is related to temperature as follows:

a = (gamma*R*T)**0.5

where

a is the speed of sound, units are ft/sec
gamma=1.4
R is the gas constant = 1716  units are [ft**2/(sec**2 * degrees Rankine)]
T is temperature in degrees Rankine=temperature in degrees Farenheit + 460
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: BB Machine Guns
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:38:13 GMT
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA

fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:

#Check out one of your local amusement parks or a county/
#state fair, most have them on the midway where you are 
#supposed to shoot the star out of the middle of a target.

A few years ago, a company called "LARC International" in FL somewhere
was selling two models of kill-the-ozone freon powered BB machine guns.
These were the same model as was used in the movie "The Soldier"
with Ken Wahl.  In the movie, they fired flechettes (sp?).
That was a special effect, I suspect.  We found no way to shoot anything
other than BBs with it.

My brother and I each got one.  They were lots of fun, especially when
you used the (optional?) adapter to hook it to my father's air compressor.
The instructions that came with the weapon said *not* to exceed 60 PSI.
I think we had it running at more than 100, though not for very long.
They used to advertise in the back of "Solder of Fashion."  8-)


Hope this helps,

Scott


#-- 
###########################################################
#There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
#                 and TARGETS !!!

Where I work, submarines ARE the targets!

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From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: $5000 Shopping Spree
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:27:04 GMT

Guns magazine is currently running a contest in which the grand prize
is a $5000 firearms shopping spree.  I thought this would be an interesting
subject here.

If you had $5000 to spend on firearms and/or accessories, what would
you buy?

Rob
From: micron@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Ron Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: visible laser gunsights  Source?
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:24:42 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center


 I am looking for a pointer to a model number or specs on a visible laser 
gunsight.  We have developed a gizmo using IR gunsights and Night Vision 
devices but they are restricted technologies and cannot easily be 
commercialized. Any help will be appreciated.


			Ron Miller NASA Ames Research Ctr  micron @arc.nasa.gov
From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: M1 Garand/M1A history & differences?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:50:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division

In article <9207210938.AA02403@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu>, raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
|> #The Garand was also used in Nam.  As you may have observed, when
|> #the Garand fires its last round it makes a distinctive "t-ting"
|> #sound as it ejects the clip.  Victor Charlie observed this and ...
|> 
|> I have heard of the "t-ting" sound problem when the clip fallen
|> on freeze ground in WWII, probably at the time of the Battle of
|> the Bulge. However, I cannot imagine a VC can hear that good in
|> a jungle.
|> 
|> Could that just be a rehash of the old WWII legend? 

   The Garand that I used to have would make the 'ting' when ejecting
   the empty clip. I've also read that it was the Chinese massed night
   attacks during the Korean war that really showed the need for a
   larger magazine capacity and easier reloading, hence the 20 rd box
   magazine of the M14. Other differences that have been noted are
   that the M1 is a better long range rifle when used with the arsenal
   173 gr FMJBT match ammo as the 1:10 twist and slightly higher velocity 
   due to more powder capacity (and longer barrel ?) tends to produce
   better groups than the equivalent ammo used in an M14, and that the
   165 gr ? armor piercing ammo for the M1 was much better than the
   stuff used in the M14 for the same reasons. Evidently the M1 armor
   piercing ammo tends to be pretty accurate as the previous owner of
   my 30.06 M70 Target put several cases thru it and liked it, but 
   unfortunately the vast stores of the ammo will never be released 
   thru the DCM for obvious reasons.

   John Ongtooguk (johno@sdd.hp.com)
From: pertinax@raley.gwinnett.COM (Pertinax)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Georgia - Land of Paradise for Progunners???
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:52:19 GMT

calderac@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (CALDERAC) writes:
# gun ownership, either. What this comes from is a small town just 
# outside of Atlanta, the state capital, which passed a law requiring
# each houshold to have a large caliber firearm and ammunition. Apparently
# they have one of the lowest crime rates in the country, but many
# will argue that it has nothing to do with that law! The town is named
# Kennesaw, and you might hear many of the anti-gun types refer to it
# as a "small farming community" which is simply wrong. 

Kennesaw had a 90% decrease in residential theft the year after the law
went into effect.  There was no corresponding decrease in commercial
crime rates (but they aren't required to have guns).  The crime rate
has been going up again, but I'm not sure if it's returned to early '80s
levels.

Also, GAs permit only allows for carry in conventional holsters.
Specifically, "hip grips", shoulder holsters, etc.  You cannot carry in
your pocket, and the holster must be worn in it's normal place.  The law
is very specific about this, but it's not clear if a jacket can be worn
over your shoulder holster, or an untucked shirt over your hip holster.  My
assumption is that this is OK, but I'm not a lawyer.

No, GA is not a haven for gun lovers.  The government is out to restrict all
sorts of things, although they've had limited success as yet.  I have two
major complaints about the permit system here:  no "bars", and no public 
buildings.  The law prohibits carry in "any establishment that sells
alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises".  This means that if
you are carrying, you must ascertain, before entering, if a restuarant has
a liquor license.  This is absurd, and damn near impossible to comply with.

I also don't like the "public building" exception, as that prohibits one
from safely using Atlanta's public transportation system.  I won't ride
MARTA without a gun, so I drive.  Which wastes my money, and causes air
pollution.  But at least I'm safe.

Try Arizona.
From: uk09365@nx11.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Concealed Carry
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:29:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul24.024029.26084@wam.umd.edu> gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr.  
Death) writes:

# My question is:
# 
# 	Do you carry without a permit?  Is it worth the risk of 
# getting caught carrying a concealed weapon while getting a traffic
# ticket?  One of my friends keeps his auto pistol on his front seat
# of his car so if he is pulled over he wont have it concealed.

I don't own any firearms.  Once I had a tire blowout and happened
to have a gun I'd borrowed for target shooting in my truck with me.
I had a 3+ mile walk back to the farm, at night, on a rural road.
Open carry is legal in Kentucky and I decided to carry the gun
(a .45 auto) with me.  I wedged it in my belt (I know, not the best
way to carry) and started walking.

There are no concealed carry permits available to private citizens
here but the standard penalty if you carry concealed is a $50-200
fine.  In cities, people just carry concealed and take the chance
on the fine. [note:  you can get up to 12 months in jail; but
jailtime is almost never imposed at all.]
 
# I am not sure that these guys are not doing the right thing,
# and this will cause them more problems than what its worth.

Depends on the jurisdiction etc.

Robert K.
From: asbestos@nwu.edu (Michael A. Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: NOTE: Bigfoot/Sasquatch Information Request
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:51:42 GMT
Organization: Chaos

forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:

#[ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:]

## "A large creature about 7 1/2 to 8 foot tall. It was greyish black in color,
## and as it went away from me I seen the backside of it walking as a man would
## walk on it's hind legs."-Former Sheriff Oliver Potter, Vancouver, Washington
## The Cryptozoology Information Network.Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!

#So what kind of caliber would be best for this beastie?

HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank).  From an M1A3, of course.

#(Handgun and rifle, of course)

Oh.  Perhaps a sabot round from a shotgun?  Maybe the GE Minigun (being
discussed in another thread).

#PS - Why not just post sightings, I haven't had any good hunting
#in a long time 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^)

If you have the tank or the minigun, maybe you'd let me come over and shoot
it??

:-)

#[MODERATOR:  .... *groan*  ..... please, no.....]



Mike
-- 
Michael A. Atkinson       | "Just stop whining." - Rebecca 
asbestos@nwu.edu          |

            A Libertarian and an NRA member.
From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Price for used S&W 586?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:15:56 GMT



  I have a Smith & Wesson 586 that I am thinking
of selling. It has a 4" barrel, white outline rear
sight and a red ramp front, and Pachmayr grips. It's
a good shooter.

  The reason for selling the Smith is:

   1) I don't shoot it very much - less than 200
      rounds (.38 special) in the last 2 years.

   2) I want to buy a "brush gun" for deer season
      this year, probably a lever action, .35 cal.
      or above.

  What is the "blue book" price on a used 586 in
good condition?

  Thanks in advance.

Ken
From: TTC103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Chlorate primers?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:38:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Chlorate primers are corrosive.  One of the chemicals used is potassium
chlorate which is converted to potassium chloride upon firing and deposits
in the barrel, action, whatever, which is basically coating the mechanisms
with salt.  If you live in an environment totally devoid of water and
humidity, you can get away with not cleaning the gun, but exposure to the
least amount of moisture will start the corrosion process.
From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Ricochets
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:38:01 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division

In article <9207262133.AA01515@gtephx.com>, forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:

|> (I may be wrong here, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.)

Certainty is your middle name ;^)

|> Most keys are made of aluminum or an alloy.  These materials would not
|> do the shooter's hand justice if they were used in a gun.

1.  Pulling out the non-representative sample of keys in my pocket, I find:

3 steel keys (all for Volvos)
2 brass keys, one of them nickel plated (one Master padlock, one Schlage deadbolt)
1 bronze key (Schlage deadbolt)

Aluminum keys are the signature of a cheap lock. :-)

As far as aluminum or alloy in firearms, I've never suffered any injury shooting
alloy frame S&W and Colt pistols.

Plenty of brass framed black powder revolvers have given over a century of
service.

|> I believe the walk-through detectors use magnetic fields: metals which
|> can be magnatized will be detected whereas aluminums will not.  (Note
|> that keyrings are usually made of steel and large ones may set off the
|> detector.)

The walk-through detectors use magnetic fields, but it is the flux change in the
fields caused by the metal passing through, not any magnetization of the metal,
that sets them off.

The detectors are rather like large, linear electric motors.  This is relevant,
in that one can generate a current in a copper wire by moving it through a
magnetic field, either by moving the wire, or the magnetic field.  Likewise,
disturbing the magnetic field in a metal detector with a hunk of moving metal
will generate a current.

Rockport ProWalkers (good quality leather shoes), which I wear when travelling,
set off almost every airport detector.  They have a large steel shank.

Unfortunately, I've noted that the guards are aware of this, and as soon as they
spot the ProWalkers, and verbally verified with me that they are ProWalkers, they
fail to check me throughly with the hand wand.

Airport security is an oxymoron.

-- 
Kirk Hays - NRA Life.
Start your day with a little civil disobedience.  Call BATF at 1-800-ATF-GUNS or
1-800-RUN-GUNS, tell them what you think of gun grabbers and government employees
that encourage people to narc on their neighbors.  Good for the soul.
From: mike.federchuk@rose.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ontario Gunshow
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:27 GMT

Date Entered: 07-24-92 03:41


#From the Wed. edition of the Hamilton Spectator; posted without permission, of
course :)

GUN SHOW 2 days,

July 25 & 26
At North Wentworth Arena,
Flamborough, On Hwy. 5 just
West of Clappisons Corners,
Sat. 8-5pm, Sun 8-3pm
For info. 416-689-8181.

A real live gun show!  In Canada?!?  Well I'll be...

[Hey!  Wait a minute.  I'm going to the cottage this weekend and I'll miss it.
Go figure.]

Regards,
Mike Federchuk              |
Burlington, Ontario, Canada |
mike.federchuk@rose.com     |
---
   OLX 2.2   Support your right to keep and arm BEARS!
   RM 1.60: Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: update on the Ultralight rifle
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:37:16 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

Hi all,
   I've gotten a tonn of mail on the 'stoli panda' posting, some of it
with very good information. So, with that information in mind, there
are some corrections to my weight break down:



#Action		.75 pound		(my SWAG)
	Someone wrote me that the Panda actions are 1#, so I'll assume
	I can't do any better than that... 

Stock		.75 pound		(Brown precision already has a 1# stock)

	I still maintain that a 12 oz stock is possible, even though
	I've had benchresters insist that the minimum you can get away
	with is 2#, (Hmm, I guess I'll have to turn myself into the
	stock police, my rem 700 stock is 21 oz, with a 1" recoil pad on it)

Scope		.8 pound		(another SWAG)

	Someone sent me a list of scope weights, so I'll have to revise
	this number to 1.2#, unless I can find the graphite tube scopes
	that were mentioned.

Barrel		.75 pound	(I may be off here, I calculated this from
				assuming density of steel at ~6 g/cm^3
				and a barrel with ~45 cm^3 of steel)

	Barrel steel is 7.7g/cm^3, so the above number is about 1#.
	This barrel is a very aggressive contour, it was based on a
	17" barrel, 1" shank, tapering to .508" at the muzzle. No, this
	is not a 6# benchrest gun, or even a short standard weight
	hunting barrel, it's a very light barrel that has to hold
	4"@200 yards for 2 shots. 

#----------------------------
#		3.05# + .2# for ammo
#		3.25#


	So the total weight is 4.15#. Now even if you don't want
	a 4# rifle, the about 2# weight savings gained by 
	going to an AL action can be put back into the barrel.
	You could have a standard 8# rifle that has a benchrest contour
	barrel instead of the 'hunter contour' for the same total
	weight of the gun.


-Chris L
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu 
* Remember, only mere mortals need sleep!
From: schow@sol.UVic.CA (Stirling Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: "Puff the Magic Dragon"
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:33:53 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA

#Aside from the song, the "Puff the Magic Dragon" I remember was a
#cargo plane with 2 or 3 miniguns mounted in it to fire behind the
#wings.  Miniguns used .308 ammo I believe.  The 20mm cannon of
#the same (or similar) design was called a Gatling Gun.  At least,
#that's what I remember from ROTC movies a long time ago.  (and
#then there was "The Green Berets" ;-{)  ) 
#-- 
#"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
#Though all the world betrays thee.
#One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
#One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
#

And if i'm not mistaken, is the "Puff the Magic Dragon" the C-130; if so it
was also mounted with two 40mm Bauffer (sp?) guns.  Not something I would like
sighting in on me if I was on the ground :)
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need info on W. Scott shotgun
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:44:42 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <1992Jul21.014403.23750@ncsu.edu>, by hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer):
# In article <9207201850.AA27542@itc700.cs.itc.hp.com> fleck@itc7003.cs.itc.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
# #
# #I have come across a W. Scott Imperial Damascus Shotgun.  I am trying to 
# #find out if it would have any value.
# #
# #Side plate says:  W. Scott
# #		  Belgium
# #
# #On the top it has:  Imperial Damascus
# # ...
# 
#   The only Scott listed in the Blue Book is  W.C. Scott, Ltd. of
# Birmingham, England, which has been absorbed by Holland & Holland.
# The prices for these are high, with the 90% prices at $4,500 and up.
#

Henry, 

I think that word _Belgium_ is a tip off.  A lot of, ah,
inexpensive shotguns were produced there during the time when
Damascus barreled shotguns were popular.  I understand that they
often used names similar to famous, high quality arms. 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: JJD118@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: ammo calibers ?!
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:33:24 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

One thing you must be carefull about is the 7.62 rounds. There is 7.62 Soviet
7.62 Nato. The .308 round is the same as 7.62 Nato which is more correctly
7.62 X 51, the 7.61 X39 is the Soviet round and there is also a 7.62 X 54 out
there too.

John Donovan JJD118@PSUVM.PSU.EDU   : You can choose a ready guide in
Lab Attendant, Student Consultant   : some celestial voice; if you choose
and Team leader for the             : not to decide you still have made a
Pennsylvania State University       : choice    --Rush, "Free Will"
   I do not speak for Penn State and Penn State does not speak for me
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: $5000 Shopping Spree
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:29:26 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <9207231853.aa26684@claudius.pica.army.mil>, by erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID):
# 
# Blair Houghton writes:
# ##If you had $5000 to spend on firearms and/or accessories, what would
# ##you buy?
# #
# #A congressman.
# 
# 
# But what would you spend the rest of it on? :)
#

Wellll, how about a life NRA membership?

	[MODERATOR:   Awright!]

1. Glock 23(?small .40)
2. Glock 10mm (don't know #)
3. M1A (Match grade I think)
4. .223 & .308 bolt actions w detachable mags (tentative) same
	model.
5. Reloading dies for .40 S&W
6. RCBS Ammo Master (tentative, like to see one first)
7. If not 6, then another Lee Load Master           
8. Firestar in .40 S&W or .45 acp (haven't seen any but the 9mm)
9. Lee (Or other) progressive shotshell reloader
10. 1000 empty cases for .40, 10mm, .223, & .308
11. 5 (?) lbs of Target Lite (WW)
12. 5 lbs. AA2230 (still testing)
13. 5 lbs. of appropriate powder for .308?
14. electronic scale 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)

[MODERATOR: Just a thought about that AA2230, a buddy of mine who is 
seriously into .223 bought some for substantial testing.  He got half
way through and decided to use the rest for fertilizer on his garden.
Didn't like it at all, no consistency, etc.  Could try to get more 
details if you like, but those of you thinking of trying it out should
not buy in big bulk until you know you like it....]
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Georgia - Land of Paradise for Progunners???
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:41:50 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <m0mD3K3-0000hIC@crash.cts.com> jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes:
#
#The larger cities are not the case.  In fact, I have heard on the net 
#from some problems with a police chief who has imposed the policy of
#arresting and charging citizens with valid CCW permits for illegal 
#carry of a firearm.
#

	Is this person leaving himself or his department and perhaps even the 
	state open to the possibility of a VERY LARGE civil action, not to 
	mention criminal charges for false arrest?

	Or is this guy immune because he is an "authority"?

	-Andy V.