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From: davidt@japan.bellcore.com (David L. Turock)
Subject: Friendly calico needs a home
Reply-To: davidt@faline.bellcore.com (David L. Turock)
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: nj
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:05:14 GMT

My wife and daughter have developed severe allergies to
my long-time friend Faye, an elderly calico.
I need to find her a home away from home.
I'd be delighted to pay for all of her expenses
if someone could give her a loving home.
Any calico lovers out there?

David Turock
201-829-4299
davidt@bellcore.com
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re:    declawing?
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:53:46 GMT


The mother of a friend of mine just had her cat declawed and he is not 
recovering well.  I haven't seen him (since he's almost 2000 miles away)
but my friend says he walks as if his paws are still hurting him even
though he is long past the point at which they should be healed.  They
were going to take him to the vet and if he couldn't do anything they
were going take him to their old vet (they had moved & changed to a closer
vet).  I really can't remember anything else but several people told my
friend horror stories about declawing cats.  Has anyone else heard 
anything like this?

My cats still have their claws and always will, but I'd like to be more 
informed about the operation since I volunteer at the Humane Society and
people often mention that they want to declaw their cats.  Of course, in
that case its often a choice between no home or a home without claws, so
I think declawing isn't as bad as long as the animal is loved.  My cats
are evidently fairly good because they use their scratching post -- 
at least most of the time!


Jamie


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: When will people learn???
Keywords: kitten, SPCA,
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:23:41 GMT

In article <berthiau.724658547@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
>Well, need I say more?  An acquaintance has decided to take the 
>kitten he and his girlfriend got at a pet store to the SPCA. *SIGH*

>We would take in the kitten ourselves if it weren't for 
>the fact that our town has an ordinance restricting the number of cats
>and dogs in a household and that our roommate might not be able to 
>tolerate a third kitty.

What are the restrictions in your town?  We don't have any on cats.

>WHEN will people learn that when you take in a pet it's going to be
>a lifelong responsibility and commitment to the pet?

>Well,  I've managed to let off some steam here on this subject.  Now I 
>will bite this guy's head off when I see him at my SO's company
>Xmas party.

Go for it!  People like that usually won't change, but maybe he'll
think twice before getting another kitten later on.  At least you
can hope so.


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese



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From: marie@guppy.ai.mit.edu (Marie Lamb)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: jellicle?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:18:01 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: marie@ai.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ai.mit.edu


Jellicle Cats are black and white,
Jellicle Cats are rather small;
Jellicle Cats are merry and bright,
And pleasant to hear when they caterwaul.
Jellicle Cats have cheerful faces,
Jellicle Cats have bright black eyes;
They like to practise their airs and graces
And wait for the Jellicle Moon to rise.

--excerpt from "The Song of the Jellicles", by T.S. Eliot in
   _Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats_

Someone else asked me this question recently, and it prompted
me to go to the library and get a copy to re-read!

Marie

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Subject: Searching for mail order address of Pat McLaughlin Stationery in MN
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:25:26 GMT

Does anyone have the mail order address of this woman??  she sells the
most amazing kitty cards and stationery...I have lost my old catalogue
and want to order some Xmas cards from her...I believe she is located in
Forest Lake (???) Minnesota......

PLEASE send replies to:
(e-mail)

"kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".
  

THANKS!!!!

Best wishes,

Miss Kerry Cater.
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: When will people learn???
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:38:53 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Oh!  I forgot to add in the previous follow up to this post that I do 
live in an apartment and there are no restrictions about pets in this
building.  Browsing thru some of the For Rent ads in the paper, I 
really didnt see too many say NO PETS ALLOWED.  It's pretty much up to
management I guess.



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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Wheezing, hack in 15 yr. Siamese
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:25:43 GMT

> the End writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <BzDI3A.8Hu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
> Posted: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:21:1
>
> Org.  : Indiana University
>
>
> Please help us.
>
> My moms 15 yr. old Siamese-Burmese cross breaks into a heavy wheeze, then
> kind
> of scrunches down trying to hack up something every coulpe of hours for a
> minute or so. He seems partially successful as he swallows, and then stops
> for
> some time.
>
> The vet is clueless, but showed us that he has an enlarged heart.
>
> Is this an allergy ? Hairball ? If hairball, does anything work ? He has
> been given cortizone, but it doesn't seem to help. It may have at first
> (allergy) but not any more. Antibiotics are not helpful either.
>
> thanks much,
> Jim
>


it could even be roundworms, they cause a lot of hacking for the cat.  Try
worming him... if that doesn't help, don't be afraid to see another vet for a
second opinion... :)
*j*
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Declawed and Clawed cats together
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:31:19 GMT

nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch) writes:

>I have one declawed cat (by previous BAD owner) and one not-declawed cat. 
>The one with claws has a 5 pound weight advantage, and he still gets his
>butt kicked by the one without claws.
>I still do not reccomend declawing!!

I second this -- have one of each; the declawed one came from someone
who (a) had him declawed and (b) decided they didn't want him after all.
My two have NEVER liked each other -- but Pepe (the declawed monster)
usually wins the battles with Sophie (mucho claws).  I think at least
part of it is psychological advantage.  They have also both lived with
dogs and got along just fine.

I also would never have a cat declawed.

Anne
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Declawed and Clawed cats together
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:54:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

I have one declawed cat (by previous BAD owner) and one not-declawed cat. 
The one with claws has a 5 pound weight advantage, and he still gets his
butt kicked by the one without claws.
I still do not reccomend declawing!!

Nancy
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Asorbine for Flea dermatitis?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:00:35 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Ruth Kline (rk30+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Absorbine Jr., the version made for human aches, has a high percentage of
: alcohol and it creates a burning sensation when applied to any open cuts or
: scratches. It was my parents' favorite "cure-all" when I was growing up -- so I
: know from experience it hurts! I think a better suggestion would be a
: germicide with less alcohol -- I know there's one that's made for
: treating kids' cuts and scratches but I can't think of the name right
: now. It doesn't burn at all. I use benadryl spray on my dog's skin to
: help keep the itching under control -- but it only treats the itch
: symptom, not the dermatitis itself. Peroxide applied to the skin might
: be another suggestion, but it would bleach the fur and you'd have a
: funny looking kitty. Flea dermititis is a big problem and I'm sure alot
: of pet owners would appreciate a summary of any good suggestions you get.
: -- Ruth Kline, Carnegie Mellon University    

I was not suggesting Absorbine, jr.  I was comparing it to absorbine for
horses, which if used improperly on a *horse* can cause damage.

If you have a cat with flea bite dermatitis, the treatment is to take care
of the flea problem.  The most common treatment for the cats symptoms is
something to stop the itch such as kitty antihistamines or steroidal
treatment.  As secondary skin infections are common due to all of the
scratching involved, antibiotics are commonly prescribed at the same time.

If you don't control the fleas in the environment and on the cat, you will
only buy time.  If you don't stop the itching, it can become a cycle as
the broken skin scabs over and then begins to itch.  


If you are trying to self treat the problem, be very careful.  There are
things that you can use on a dog or human that are dangerous to cats. 
Cats are alos much more dose ssensitive to topical treatments and flea
treatments due to their smaller mass and grooming habits.

Always read and follow all of the directions on flea control products, as
some are lethal if used in combination with others.  

Karen
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.dogs
From: afkazan@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (The Dinky Ukie)
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....:  Pet Memorials
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: tears, tears
Organization: Cats `R' Us
Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:09 EST  

In article <1992Dec17.024851.29375@adobe.com>, dauphin@adobe.com 
(Kimberly Dauphin) writes...
>I'm posting this to rec.pets.dogs in addition to *.cats, because
>I think dog owners will also benefit.
> 
>In response to a sad posting about Max being put to sleep,
>lcornell@stein.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell) writes:
> 
>> I can't imagine life without her now.  Take care, and just keep on loving
>> Max...and give another little fur-ball a chance  to have a wonderful life
>> with a caring owner like you!
> 
>When my Muff died last January, I did something special so that I would 
>always have a visible memory of her.  I bought a beautiful marble memorial
>for the garden.  It's very simple, and says only
>	      Muff
>	        *  <----------That's a heart
>	8/20/79 - 1/8/92
> 
I'd like to add my thoughts to this thread.  My dearly beloved cat of 18 
years, Spookers, (a brown tabby, smallish Maine Coon type cat and the 
gentlest and sweetest cat I've ever known -- she would be on her leash in 
the backyard and rabbits would come right up next to her to eat clover -- 
they must have sensed she wouldn't hurt them -- it was hard to pick her out 
from the group when they were all huddled together -- |;-}).  Anyhow, when I 
had to do the kindest thing I could for her almost 8 years ago (I'm still 
grieving for her, even though I did get another kitty, but Spookers was and 
always will be that extra special cat), I couldn't bear the thought of burying
her and then one day leaving her behind when I move, so I had her cremated.  I 
went to a gift shop and found a beautiful heart-shaped wooden box that says 
"I Love You" on it, put her ashes in it, and sealed it.  Now I will always 
have her with me (though her true essence and spirit are really in my heart)
and everytime I look at the box, I remember Spooky.  I also had a gorgeous 
20x24 chalk drawing done by an artist from a photo of her and had it  
professionally matted and silver-leaf framed.  This hangs on a wall near 
the wooden box -- I guess I've created a shrine for her (am I crazy?). 

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: When will people learn???
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:15:35 GMT

>>>We would take in the kitten ourselves if it weren't for
>>>the fact that our town has an ordinance restricting the number of cats
>>>and dogs in a household and that our roommate might not be able to
>>>tolerate a third kitty.
>
>>What are the restrictions in your town?  We don't have any on cats.
>
> Huh?  I never heard of such a restriction either.
>

I have found many apartment complexes that limit the number of cats
to two, sometimes only one, and we don't know if _Canadian_ resident
berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca lives in an apartment or a house, and Canada
may have more restrictive laws than the USA.

Local ordinances WILL vary from place to place and for various reasons.
If this is to become an issue, I suggest we all go to our respective
law libraries and RESEARCH the local laws to know the FACTS about
pet restrictions. Then we can have a civilized discussion.

Just my $.02 (American)

Yep, Canada has different laws on # of animals allowed, and to make matters
interesting, the law varies from city to city.  There are rules in Vancouver
about how many cats may live in any home, but these bylaws are often
overlooked unless a complaint is made.  (ie "that crazy cat lady has 20 cats
that keep digging up my garden!" and stuff of that nature... doesn't happen
too often, in general) :)

it's a good idea to check into it, just to be sure that no one will be
breathing down your neck anytime soon. :)
*j*
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder)
Subject: Re: Licking soap
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:09:43 GMT

Tyson likes licking your hair.  Not just plain hair, but hair coated with
hairspray.  He thrives on the stuff.  Two of my mom's cats also lick
hairspray.  Talk about strange.  :-)

How many of your felines, like licking or chewing on hair covered with
hairspray??

--Pamela, Ruggles, Tyson, Scooter & Hobbes

-- 
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   ederpc@void.rtsg.mot.com         of the tunnel has been turned off. Thank
   Motorola, Inc.                   you for your cooperation.
From: cs_s437@ceres (Chris Eborn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: plastic fetish...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:45:40 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
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ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder) writes:
: My 12 year old Tabby does the same thing, plastic bags, those soda can
: six-pack holders, things wrapped in plastic, even plastic bags all alone.
: Ruggles seems to have a fetish to chew and bite into all of these.  He's
: been doing it since he was a kitten and there have been no obvious 
: problems.  He was at it again last night when I got back from the
: grocery store and he saw those nice, tasty plastic grocery bags.  I
: wouldn't worry about it.
: 
: --Pamela, Ruggles, Tyson, Scooter & Hobbes

Aha......
I spent quite a lot of my time worrying about how to stop DooDoo
chewing wires - I'm sure that one day she will be electroCuted. Maybe
if I give her some plastic things to chew on she will stop. 


El Kid-{A Talented Boy}-cs_s437@uk.ac.king****************************
******A cheval sur une tombe et une naissance difficile.-S.B.*********

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire)
Subject: Re: Sisal and scratching posts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:39:58 GMT

lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre) writes:


>I've heard many times that sisal rope is good for scratching posts.
>I have one of those useless carpet-covered posts that I'd like to wrap
>with something more appealing. I've used denim (the cats like to scratch
>our jeans) and it's worked OK, but it eventually comes off. I'd like to
>try sisal rope.

>Now...just what is sisal? And where can I get some? Is it sold in the
>usual hardware stores or do I need to go somewhere special to find it.

>My cats would thank you..

>- Lianne - 

Sisal is basically natural rope.  I'm not sure what special qualities it
has, but it's very cheap.  I went to Ace (hardware store) and found it
in three sizes.  I got the 3/4" and it was less than twenty cents a foot.
I think 50 feet cost me $8-$9 or something.  

-Lisa 'n Tia (little black Princess)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What's Your Favorite Kind of Cat?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:22:13 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Christopher Jon Petit (petitc@vccsouth02.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: I was wondering---what's your favorite kind of cat?  Siamese, Persian,
: Tomcat, Rex?

Somali/Abyssinian :)  "Hi!  Watcha doing?  Can I help?  Ooh a nice high place!
Let's play!  I love you!" cats.  Not for the faint of heart, or those fond
of fragile things on high shelves.

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Declawing surgery
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:10:12 GMT

In article <18445@mindlink.bc.ca> Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb) writes:
>> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <1992Dec11.141610.9331@iscsvax.uni.edu>
>> Posted: 11 Dec 92 20:16:10 GMT
>>
>> Org.  : University of Northern Iowa
>>
>> In article <1992Dec11.074136.14333@serval.net.wsu.edu>,
>> jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000) writes:
>> > I just got done today doing a practice run at declawing surgery on a
>> > cat cadaver.  What a disgusting thing to do.  I hope I never work in a
>> > practice where performing this awful thing is required.  If not, I will
>> > certainly refer all such requests to some other vet.
>>
>> Jeff, I don't know if this will help you or not, but I'm missing a portion
>> of my left index finger, due to chopping newspaper with a papercutter for
>> animal bedding... (my fingers are skinny enough that I managed to get one
>> stuck under the finger guard).  It hurt like ^&*!@ for a couple of months,
>> but soon after that I was able to get back to full use of the finger,
>> even playing guitar without pain.  (That's the finger that gets the
>> most abuse on the frets...)
>>
>> Friends who are missing entire distal portions of fingers at various
>> joints report similar non-painful recoveries.
>>
>> Kay
>
>I don't want to turn this into a flame, but if you had a choice between
>keeping your 1st finger joint and getting it amputated (and imagine that you
>have no idea what the reasoning behind such a decision to amputate would be),
>I imagine that you would keep your finger joint.  There are an awful lot of
>ways to keep cats from scratching without declawing.
>
Here's another point of view....a person who goes
to the trouble and expense of declawing a cat
is demonstrating a high degree of commitment to the
animal, by removing an important impediment to ensuring
that kitty fits in with the family.  

Someone mentioned the number of cats put down each year
at local humane societies (huge unsettling number)...
I wonder the percentage of these cats who were condemned
to death because they were ripping the shit out of expensive 
furniture?  Declawing is a permanent solution to this
particular problem.

Furthermore, not all cats are so easily trained, even
with a water bottle.  Doug, my cat, still sharpens
his non-existant claws (removed at 7 weeks) on the
corner of one particular chair, always has, and I'm
sure he always will.

Tracy
From: gt3791a@prism.gatech.EDU (JOHNSON)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Nutrition question
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:15:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I have just read through the cat FAQ, and it's missing one thing I'm inter-
ested in....there's a good discussion of general cat nutrition, but I'm
looking for the specific requirements I should look for in cat food (i.e.
how much protein, taurine, fat, ash, etc).  Could someone send me this
info or refer me to the information source?  Thanks. :)



						M. Johnson

Department of Chemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet: gt3791a@prism.gatech.edu  or  harle@jablab.gatech.edu
-- 
						M. Johnson

Department of Chemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet: gt3791a@prism.gatech.edu  or  harle@jablab.gatech.edu