From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Muhajirs again
Date: 27 Dec 1992 18:45:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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	AS usual, any discussion on S.C.P. can be turned into 
	racial crap. Some people just love it. Every time I curse
	Zardari( I love it) and Navaz, people like NJ( Can I call you NJ honey?)        wonder if there is any "other" reason besides their credentials.
	Well, there is none.


>As usual, Nadeem, an unqualified pleasure to observe your cordial
>tone of argument, :-).  

>You have called me an insincere liar.  Very good.  I can say the
	What is sincere liar. may be Zia-ul-Haq? 

>same thing about your tales of you and your family being terrorised
>by MQM.

>You say you cannot reason with a member of the muhajir "race".  Even
>better.  What is the muhajir "race" and why am I a member of it ?
	There is no such thing as muhajir race. Muhajir( as labeled
	by rest of Pakistanis) are not a single race. I guess the same
	definition was used by MQM. Acording to them, any one who crossed
	Indo -Pak border after 47, and their descendants were muhajirs,
	minus people from East Panjab coming into West Panjab. This is
	exactly the definition rest of pakistanis used to label someone as
	muhajir. But, if i remember correctly, in rural Sindh MQM had
	Panjabis running elections on its ticket. Back to the point,
	Muhajirs are not one race, they do not speak one language,
	and have variety of cultures. One thing common is that most
	of them live in cities in Pakistan. 


>Because my father was born in Agra ?  Oh, but wait, my mother
>was born in Lahore.  Does that make me Panjabi ?  But no, no,
>wait, I have a friend called Chachar.  Does that help ?  Look
>sai'N.  I don't argue as a member of any "race" and I think it
>is quite petty of you to bring it up.  
	And he loves to bring it up. His typical question will
	be.. IS there any other reason. Man, I do not even know
	if Zardari is a Sindhi, Balochi, or Irani. 


>You say you find my discussion very frustrating.  Do you think I
>relish yours ?  The last time we locked horns, you had made the
>[perfectly juvenile] claim that muhajir immigration into Karachi
>robbed Sindhis of educational institutions they had made.  I came
>back with the response that NED was made by a parsi, Dawood College
>and Habib School by memons, Aga Khan University by Ismailis, 
	Memons and Ismailis are muhajirs too. The mayor of Karachi
	belonging to MQM was a memon.
	As I said earlier, muhajir are not one race/ one-language.


>Dow Medical College by the British, Sindh Medical College by
>the Federal Government, Baqai Medical College by a "muhajir",
>and St. Patrick's and related schools by Christian missionaries.
>I then asked you which Sindhi institutions were you talking about.
	Hey, I can tell you.
	First of all, Sindh Madrasah. 
	How about Abdullah College in Khuddaa Area( I guess it was
	founded by Sir Abdullah Haroon). This Abdullah college
	is different from the Abdullah girls college in Nazimabad.
	How about S.M. Colleges ( eg. S.M.Science/Law etc)
	Gulistan School?
	How about D.J. College. 
	Now come on, Sindhis have established educational institutions.
	The only problem is that people who are so-called representatives
	of Sindhis these days( Zardari, BB,  Jatoi, etc) are bunch of crooks,
	sucking blood out of Sindh and Pakistan, and have no interest
	in Sindh's welfare.


>Remeber your response ?  Let me remind you my level-headed sai'N:
>it was nothing but a vat of vitriol.  No substance, just adjectives
>attacking me.  You don't know what frustration feels like until
>you've argued with you, :-)
	Aisee baatai'n jub hee hotee hai'n, jub pyaar-o-mohabat ho.
	too-too-mae-mae dosto'n may hee hotee hae. Jamali will
	never get on chinese network and tell all those things.
	he likes Pakistan and he likes you, that is why he is reading
	S.C.P.  and talking to you.
.

>You write me off because I supported the MQM.  First of all,
>my support was qualified.  I am deeply repulsed by all the
>badmashi that MQM did and advocate exemplary punishment for
>them.  What I did support was that MQM had started to give
>muhajirs ethnic credentials, which had fast become the
>only way to get counted in Pakistan.
-- 

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio 

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