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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Bought Eight Ball Deluxe, have questions!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:37:11 GMT
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Kevin Martin (sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu) wrote:
: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:

: >Agreed.  Eight-Ball Deluxe is my favorite game ever, and it's
: >entertaing fo rhours *without* ramps ad naseum.

: Perhaps, but IMHO Eight-Ball Deluxe is *too*easy*.  I get bored after the
: excitement of collecting eleven credits on a single ball wears off.  As for
: newer games, I don't see a problem with having ramps (and how many games
: have more than one or two anyway?), although some of the gadgetry could be
: done away with and I wouldn't complain.  Especially non-functional or
: counter-productive gadgetry.

It might just have been the the operator where I usually played waxed
the thing weekly, but I never could roll 8-Ball deluxe, or even run up
more than a few credits a game.  I find most newer machines easier,
but stingier with credits.  And I don't dislike ramps altogether, I'd
just like to see a few new games without them.

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: rls@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (richard.l.schieve)
Subject: The Flipside
Organization: AT&T
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:01:53 GMT


I got my "Flipside" premiere issue, collectors edition last night.  
Steve Baumgarten, Rob Rosenhouse, and Dallas Overturf all obviously
put a lot of time and thought into their articles.  Good job guys!

My suggestions would be to expand a little beyond the reviews (which
were great) and maybe some ads in the back.

				Rick Schieve
				rls@ihlpb.att.com
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From: dadams@dstrike.demon.co.uk ("David Adams")
Subject: Re: Pinball pricing comparison? 
Distribution: world
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:50:53 +0000

In article <1992Dec18.152407.17488@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> ccullen@ops-2.Naitc.Com writes:

>Just as I have finally forced myself to get used to the 50/75/$1
>pricing, now some very new games, like Dr. Who and Creature from
>the Black Lagoon, are 50cents/game, period, around here.  I know
>it's operator configurable, but I wondered if this is yet another
>widespread coming trend.  Makes me just as happy to play the games

Count yourself lucky.  In the UK, modern games in arcades are about 80c
per game, three balls to a game.  Doctor Who has just been installed
and the replay is set at a minimum of 200 million.  Plus, in the three
places I play they never clean the play-field or replace flippers or
switches or rubbers...


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From: dglow@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Dave Low)
Subject: Fish Tales Special
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:55:10 GMT

To light the outlanes for a special you have to complete the
captured ball bonuses and hit the captured ball 5 times on the
same ball. The number of times change but the same result occurs.
If you fail to do so on the next ball the captured ball bonus is reset.

				Dave Low

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From: mc2@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Michael Cox)
Subject: Re: Fish Tales Problem...
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:51:39 GMT

In article <1gh2eoINNool@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King) writes:
>
>Just curious, but do other people have problem with this game. 
>Specifically, when you lock the ball at top off playfield, does not drain
>straight down, goes to go down right side alley, but gets stuck there?
>I'm just a  player, not an owner or anything, but this has happened
>to me a few times after playing <30 games. I hope this description isn't
>too confusing, but I'm not sure what the proper terms are anywayz. Just
>curious....
>Bill
>-- 
>Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair

Yeah, my buddy and I had the same problem last night (playing FT for
the first time...). We could shake the machine hard enough to tilt
and even slam tilt (loose change door) but the ball wouldn't budge
without a good sideways push. If we already had a ball locked, we
would wait for the thing to cycle - it eventually spits out the locked
balls. Just hope you knock the stuck ball lose before you drain...
We eventually got the hang of giving a nudge when it got close to 
that spot. We were really suprised that the machine could keep up with
the bozo multiball - when you drain the first ball we could still
play the other one.

Now if someone would repost the play hints for this game....

       --Mike
mc2@torreypinesca.ncr.com

ps: love your .sig!!!
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From: ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Bad Slants that make games impossible
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:37:06 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ  07764

In article <Bz0rAA.Fsr@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> fjhenigm@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>Is there any connection between the table angle and the pendulum tilt
>mechanism?  If the table is jacked up does the bob hang closer to the
>ring and if so is it supposed to be centered when the table angle is set?

Yes, the ring is adjustable, but minor adjustments in playfield angle
are unlikely to cause problems.

>I'm wondering if your idea of propping up the table (which I like and
>which one could get away with in the Toronto Union Station arcade where
>there is no attendant) might make tilting more or less likely.

1. In an arcade with no attendent, you could probably even get away with
   adjusting the legs.  No key is needed, just an adjustable wrench and
   a level (ideally one of those electronic one that reads degrees).

2. Proper playfield angle is about 6.5 to 7 degrees.  This usually corresponds
   to having the front legs screwed all the way in, and the back legs not
   quite half way out.

3. On poorly maintained playfields, I actually prefer a slightly steeper
   playfield angle.  Dirty mylar is a very slow surface, and having a playfield
   that isn't steep enough only makes things worse.
 
-- 

Bennett Broder               Monmouth College
                             Computer Services
ben@monmouth.edu             W. Long Branch, NJ 07764
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From: hauck@cs.washington.edu (Scott Hauck)
Subject: 2nd Call - Hurricane Rules request
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:31:14 GMT

Could anyone who has them please send me a copy of the Hurricane rules & any
tips/tricks/hidden features?  Thanks in advance,

Scott Hauck
hauck@cs.washington.edu
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From: henwoogr@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Gazza)
Subject: Re: New Williams Pin - WHITE WATER!
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:03:37 GMT

WHITE WATER has arrived here also.

Intial impression: Pretty Good.

Points inflation has _really_ taken a hold with this pin!  The GC score is 
already more than a Bill; the first replay is nearly 400M!

I note that the flippers have returned to their proper length (at least in my
poor judgement they look as if they are the regular length - there is a FT next
to it so I had a quick comparison.)

I could only get a quick appraisal of the game theme, since I only had a couple 
of games.  There is (at least) two multi ball modes, and awards in a similar to
TAF's mansion (or Funhouse, Hurricane, ...).  

The EB lite is pretty hard to find - it took me one game to figure it out after
I heard a "get the extra ball".   The overall theme still eludes me, but it 
ivolves doing a variety of stunts to advance a raft up a river, a river that 
will increase in diffulty (you advance from GRADE 1 to 2 , 3 etc).

Not as good as TAF, and about on par with FT IMO.

Gazza.

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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: The Flipside
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:32:49 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
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              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

richard.l.schieve writes:
>
>I got my "Flipside" premiere issue, collectors edition last night.  
>Steve Baumgarten, Rob Rosenhouse, and Dallas Overturf all obviously
>put a lot of time and thought into their articles.  Good job guys!

Just got mine yesterday and I'll echo the above sentiments--excellent
magazine.  I especially like the photos which give closeups of the
playing field and backglass.  It's great to be able to read a review
of a game I've never played (still haven't seen Black Rose, Fish
Tales, or LW3) and correlate the text with the photo (ah, there's
the ramp it mentions...).  It should cut down on the initial confusion
when I first get to play.

I'll definitely subscribe.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
From: srp@travis.csd.harris.com ( Stephen Pietrowicz)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: White Water!
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:41:23 GMT
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Hey.....anyone seen a White Water machine yet?  A couple of buddies of mine
have been playing this in a local bar.  Seems like a pretty brand new 
machine....the owner of the place claimed it was a prototype.....  

Steve
-- 
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is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will.
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From: sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: TAF question: Who knows the "train wreck rules"?
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:24:48 GMT

Zio zZz <zio@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:
>Eh?  The Train Wreck has always been 2, 3, 4, etc. and 4 Train Wrecks for 
>Extra Ball Lit.  14 Wrecks???  Someone better test the Arcade Operator 
>for missing braincells!  The damn machine is hard enough as it is!

I'm pretty sure he means 2+3+4+5 = 14 HITS, not Wrecks.

Still, it's usually the last EB I pick up in a long game, not counting tour
EBs.

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:01:35 EST
From: Dennis J. Phillips <DJP3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject:    "Numbers" Pinball Machines

When I was a kid I played a kindof pinball machine that was made up of 25
holeseach corresponding to a number from 1-25.  When the ball rolled into
one of these holes that number would light up on a grid on the face of the
machine.  The trick was to get three, four, or five numbers to light up in a
row.  If you achieved this feat you would "win" additional games.  Does
anyone know what I'm talking about and where I can find one of these types
of machines to buy?
From: rpaulos@pmeh-po.pmeh.uiowa.edu
Subject: Pinball Events in 1993
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:10:57 GMT
Organization: Preventive Medicine and Environmental Health, U of Iowa

from GAMES magazine February 1993 issue.
---
Professional Amateur Pinball Association International Championship
February 12-14
New York, NY
Contact: Steve Epstein
The Broadway Arcade
1659 Broadway
New York, NY 10019
(212) 247-3725
---
AMOA-IFPA World Pinball Championships
May 21-23
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Contact: AMOA-International Flipper Pinball Association c/o Doug Young
141 W. Vine St
Milwaukee, Wi 53212
(414) 263-0233
---
Pinball Expo/Flip Out Pinball Tournament
September 12-13
Rosemont, Illinois
Contact: Robert Berk
2671 Youngstown Rd. SE
Warren, Ohio 44484
(800) 323-FLIP
---

------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ____     _____     ____    _    _   |
|    \   |_   _|   / ___|  | | / /   |
|    /     | |    | /      | |/ /    |
|   <      | |    | |      |   <     |
| |\ \    _| |_   | \___   | |\ \    |
|_| \_|  |_____|   \____|  |_| \_|   |
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From: etxalve@xmas.ericsson.se (Bengt Alverborg TM/SDB 34369 2670 ( tom -> 930301  ))
Subject: Re: TAF rule sheet anybody.
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:54:35 GMT

lfs@mitre.org (Lyman F. Sheats Jr.) writes:

>I really think we've discovered everything about TAF that is there to
>discover.

>--
>Lyman F. Sheats Jr.


Is there someone who has a complete compilation of all special rules
and nice tricks you can do in TAF (and LW3)?

BTW, I tried the Grave Digger or whatever and the machines tilted
every time...

/Bengt
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From: brbrooks@nyx.cs.du.edu (Britt Brooks)
Subject: Pinball game prices at Auction in Dallas ---
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:41:54 GMT


Well, here are the prices from the Auction I attended in Dallas, TX.
The Auction was mainly restaurant equipment, some video games (20)
and six older pinballs (previously listed).  Here is the list and
price of the games:

1.) Foxy Lady (Cocktail table) by Game Plan.  It was in good to
    excellent shape.  Price $175.
2.) Mr & Mrs Pacman by Bally.  Playfield was very worn, electrically
    it was in ok shape.  Price $175.
3.) Firepower by Williams.  Playfield was in good condition, one display
    needed replacing.  Good backglass.  Price $185.
4.) Sliverball by Bally.  Playfield was excellent, backglass was
    in bad shape, but electrically it was ok.  Price $175.
5.) Time Warp by Williams.  Playfield was in good condition, as was
    the backglass.  It had a couple of lights out, but nothing too
    severe.  Price $175.
6.) Black Hole by Gottlieb.  Playfield and backglass almost perfect. 
    Displays faded in and out (power supply?) but otherwise in good
    shape.  Price $250.
7.) Gorgar by Williams.  The first talking machine (I think).  The
    playfield was in fair to good shape (some wood showing).  The
    backglass was good to excellent, and electrically it worked well
    (even the magnets worked).  Price $185.

I, unfortunately did not end up with any of the games!  I am trying
to work a deal with the guy who bought the Gorgar and Firepower.  He
only wanted the Firepower!!  Anyway, it was a lot of waiting around
until the pins came up and then they bid on them as a lot, not indivi-
dually, so the highset bidders got their choice.

I hope these prices help folks going to other auctions.  These are
all older games, so don't use these prices as a guide.  There is 
another auction this weekend here in Dallas.  I hope to get a pin
this time!!!

Britt Brooks

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From: Stephen Jonke <jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Eight Ball Deluxe difficulty
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A754B99795015C5D@joe.gsfc.nasa.gov>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:46:50 GMT

In article <19k2k9d@rpi.edu> Kevin Martin, sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu writes:
>Don't get me wrong, I like 8BD a lot.  Used to play it for hours on a
>single quarter, leaving with 29 credits (machine maxes at 15, actually,
>though).  As for Specials, I've never seen a game with nearly this many
>Specials on the playfield, or with a Triple Special award (for the
>backglass Deluxe).  Most modern games only have one Special, and lighting
>it is often rather obscure.

Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if it's just a setting there too.  For
instance, Fish Tails has Special lights on the outlanes, but I've never seen
them lit.  Either I've never triggered the event that lights them, or it's
disabled.  I suspect the latter since I've played FT quite a bit.  There
aren't any other special lights, though.

Incidentally, the backboard DELUXE can be set to give anywhere from 0 to 3
credits.  You can set it to spot a backboard DELUXE letter either any time
that the playfield DELUXE lights are made, or only when the playfield letters
are made for a special (as opposed to 50k points.)  Beating the high score can
be set to give 0 to 3 credits as well.  But you are right, there are many more
special lights on EBD then pretty much any other machine I've seen.  They are
all optional, though.  It just means that EBD is more flexible then modern
games.  Also, I've noticed that the "match" is much more generous then modern
games and you can't change the percentage of matches.

On another note, I hear that the 1984 Bally game Kings of Steel is good --
anyone know anything about this game?  A description?

Steve
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From: "terry cumming" <terry.cumming@canrem.com>
Subject: herman's head
Reply-To: "terry cumming" <terry.cumming@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:42:35 EST

The machine on Herman's Head ( or should I say inside H's head) is
a 1974 Bally Air Aces featuring a Robert Redford clone and a nice
Dave Christensen girl on the glass.
--
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From: gary@aragorn.inmos.co.uk (Gary Morton)
Subject: Re: Cows, ducks, and other DM animals
Reply-To: gary@inmos.co.uk (Gary Morton)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:44:35 GMT

In article <1g8s6bINNggg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira) writes:
>
>I guess they're there to allude to the trumpeting noise you'd get when
>the ball went down the outlanes in Comet (and possibly also in Cyclone,
>can't remember).
>
In Comet when the ball drained the sound was of the whistle of a choo choo 
train. The artwork on the table had the railway lines drawn running down these
lanes.

-- Gary
+---------------------------( Gary Morton )-----------------------------+
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|Inmos Ltd, 1000 Aztec West, Bristol, UK         Email : gary@inmos.com |
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From: sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: Fish Tales Special (was Re: Eight Ball Deluxe difficulty)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:30:51 GMT

Rob_Rosenhouse@hq-bbs.wisdom.bubble.org (Rob Rosenhouse) writes:
> SM> OK, now I'm curious.  How DO you light the Special on FT?  I think I
> SM> know
> SM> how to light the Super Jackpot now (of course, the nearest machine is
> SM> a
> SM> couple of hundred miles away, at least).
> SM> Anyone, anyone?

I wrote that - am I 'SM'?

>What you need to do to light the special is complete the 'Grab yer Gear'
>lights (the captive ball), and then hit the captive ball a certain number
>of times, as indicated on the display.  The local FT requires you hit the
>captive ball 6 additional times to light special.

Anyway, I feel really stupid for having asked the question, and it shows
you how tired I was last night.  I've only played Fish Tales for about
three hours on one afternoon, and I LIT THE SPECIAL.  So of course, I know
how.  Sigh.

Awesome machine - I had read enough about it that I didn't have to go
through the 4 stages of attitude towards it as described by Yager.
Instead, I was getting 300-400M on a few games, mostly from Monster Fish
(love those double ramps, back and forth to light it) and Rock The Boat and
Feeding Frenzy.  Multiball was never very kind, because of the tendency to
launch balls through the flipper gap.

The machine was a P-4 ROM (?).  Long flippers, large ball launch button.
Sensitive Tilt, but slap saves and mild nudges were acceptable and just
enough to make the game a serious challenge without being a ripoff (ala
High Speed II - that is to say, HS2 has lots of ripoffs in it).

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"
From: zweldron@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Matthew Charlap)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: New Williams Pin - WHITE WATER!
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:49:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan) writes:
>	No, I have not seen the pin but if anyone can tell me where to
>go in the Northern New Jersey area I'll be very happy. Also I have not
>been able to find a Dr. Who pin.

I know of 2 Dr.Who pins in New Jersey: The College Avenue student center
of Rutgers University, New Brunswick campus, and Fun 'n' Games at the 
willowbrook mall in Wayne.
-- 
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From: brbrooks@nyx.cs.du.edu (Britt Brooks)
Subject: Prices for pinball Auction ---
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:53:19 GMT


There is an Auction tomorrow that has 6 pins in reasonable condition.

The games for sale are:

Black Hole in good condition
Silverball in good to excellent condition
Time Warp in good condition
Firepower in fair to good condition (some wood showing)
Gorgar in good condition (a couple of chipped paint places)
Pac Man in fair condition

Please let me know what a fair price is today (12/11/92).  I will
let you know how much they went for Monday.  One note, the pins were
now plugged in or turned on, so some of my assements may be incorrect.
Email me responses at brittb@dadd.ti.com or at my NYX account above.

Thanks for the help!

Britt


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