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From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.151053.20088@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>> Rod Williams writes:
>>>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>
>>>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>>>San Francisco.
>>
>>>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>>>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>>>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>>>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>>>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...
>>
>>I'm confused.  I can't tell whether Rod should get a Cabal_Card for
>>following-up with a slightly vitriolic, get-a-clue response or if
>>in fact his Card should be revoked for not getting the connection
>>immediately.
>
>I sent pauli the smiley-face in a separate mailing.  There
>isn't a drop of vitriol in this body.  Here, have a few more...
>
>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
>
>(Can I keep the card?)
>-- 
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>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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NO!!!  The card MUST be revoked immediately!  We can't have the 
good/bad/evil/pure/whatever name of the Cabal and its members (if they really
exist...but then only THEY know if they really do exist) tarnished in this
manner.

In fact, not only should the card be revoked, but a more appropriate punishment
must be inflicted.

Rod, you are hereby sentenced to 25 continuous hours of Barry Manilow songs!
If that doesn't kill you it will at least teach you a lesson.

:) :) :) :)

Chuck


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From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:38:18 GMT
Return-Path: <@juts.ccc.amdahl.com:wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

>From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Subject: Re: Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:32:59 GMT
> 
> Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
> 
> I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are compiling 
> a tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call 
> them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater 
> where you are from. The number of the Governor is 
> 
> 		In Oregon      800-378-3111
> 		Outside Oregon 508-378-3111
> 
> eggs

		Note corrected area code
					503-378-3111


Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Car insurance
Organization: insert anything here
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:10:40 GMT

lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:

> The only glitch
>is that you cannot get a family membership to AAA unless you
>are legally married (of course they do not ask for a marriage
>license).  

	News to me.  Fred and I have a joint-membership.

BBC
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Street Party
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:06:47 GMT

[From a flyer handed out in the Castro]

       

                BAD COP/NO DONUT

   INVITE YOU TO THE THIRD ANNUAL PERMIT FREE 

                  STREET PARTY 

               TO DEMAND DISCIPLINE 
      FOR THREE QUEER-BASHING COPS CHARGED IN 
          THE OCTOBER 6, 1989 POLICE RIOT

   SATURDAY OCTOBER 3      10 PM       18TH/CASTRO

OUTDOOR SLIDE SHOW   *   FESTIVE JORDAN'S SHOE PINATA


  DANCING IN THE STREETS TO MUSIC BY DOWNTOWN DONNA 



-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening)
Subject: Re: Car insurance
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:53:49 GMT

asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) wrote:
>Has anyone had any luck convincing your auto insurance company to insure
>your and your lover's cars with family rates?  If so, who is your insurer?

I'll add the me-too to AAA / CSAA.  Ron and I have the family membership, and 
we jointly insure our cars (they made us co-register the two cars, which is 
a minor pain).  The joint insurance save us about $300/year, if I 
remember correctly.

The insurance agents were real nice to us, in the Cupertino branch, even 
though I think we might be the first gay couple that branch insured (everyone
was kind-of fuzzy on the rules).
-- 
____
\  /Dan Greening    Software Transformation   1601 Saratoga-Sunnyvale Rd, #100
 \/dgreen@sti.com   (408) 973-8081 x313       Cupertino, CA 95014
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:34:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1ag5c5INNqi3@fido.asd.sgi.com> pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>
>I'm sure that all this was the intent of his posting.  The Cabal_Card
>stays.

Too bad.  I haven't seen the revocation procedure yet, and it sounds *very*
interesting.  

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Call Toll Free Oregon Tourism Office - Voice Measure 9 Opinion
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:03:36 GMT
Organization: Greenwire Consulting, Palo Alto, CA, USA

dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes:
> The operator took my name and address, then I said, "I want to state 
> that if Measure 9 passes, Oregon would NOT be a place I would visit." She 
> said she would enter that information into the computer. (If you don't want 
> to leave your name and address you could just call to voice your disdain for 
> Measure 9.)
>  
> Call the Oregon Tourism Division now at: 1-800-547-7842.

I called the number and got referred to the administrative phone number:
+1 503 373 1270, where they took my name and town/state.  (I hope they give
it back when they are done with it; I need it.)

______________________________________-______________________________________
David Schachter                                 david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us
801 Middlefield Road, #8                  ...!{mips,decwrl,sgi}!llustig!david
Palo Alto, CA  94301-2916                 After 10 am, voice: +1 415 328 7425
From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: No Parking
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:52:16 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

>From the Post
Washington- The National Park Service, custodian of dozens of civil rights shrines,
including the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial in Atlanta, has refused to extend it's
anti-discrimination policy to include sexual orientation - despite calls for the change
from some of the service's own equal employment opportunity staff.
The decision comes at a time when the Bush administration is insisting it does not
discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation [except, of course, the armed forces,
the FBI, members of the Cabinet, etc.] and some federal agencies - including the
Department of Housing and Urban Development [or Jack Kemp] - have resisted
efforts by gay employees to expand protections against discrimination.
The gay rights issues [have] figured prominently in the presidential campaign
and is the subject of state referendums in Oregon, Colorado and Maine [Kennebunkport],
where voters will decide on anti-gay measures this fall.
The Park Service's clash has it's roots in a 1988 move by the agency's western region,
San Francisco, to add "sexual harassment and sexual orientation" to the list of 
classifications protected against unlawful discrimination.  Existing law - applicable to
all federal agencies - prohibits discrimination based on "race, color, sex, age, religion,
national origin, or mental and physical disability", but does not refer specifically to
homosexuality.
Staff members in San Francisco urged the Park Service to extend the policy nationwide.
They won the support of colleagues across the country.
But Park Service officials rejected the proposal.  In an August 14 memo, Edward Davis,
assistant to the director for Human Resources, wrote that a non-discrimination policy
would not be applied to sexual orientation throughout the agency because "sexual orientation
is not a protected category, as such, and is not covered under federal law."
Davis wrote, "We applaud the efforts of ... the western region in this area and feel that
because of it's location and the population that it serves that is appropriate for the western
region to be involved in affirmative actions to ensure that persons do not suffer discrimination
because of their sexual preference.  However, it is not the intention of the bureau equal 
opportunity office to go outside of the established laws at this time and develop and issue a
service wide policy that specifically addresses sexual orientation.
[So, for you gays outside of the "western region" - you can be screwed]
Some within the agency took offense at the content and tone of Davis' memo, which has been
the subject of much discussion among employees.  Don Henry, an equal opportunity specialist
with the western region who has led efforts to protect gay workers, described his superiors'
position as "mean-spirited and ignorant of reality."
[In holding this position, he is not alone, by far]

Unrelated from Murphy Brown last night...
Pat Buchanan was attempting to change the word 'Homosapien' to 'heterosapien'.


\aliscafo/
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Car insurance
Date: 1 Oct 1992 17:35:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Yes, I use CSAA, and as long as at least one of the cars is
registered in both of your names, no problem.  The only glitch
is that you cannot get a family membership to AAA unless you
are legally married (of course they do not ask for a marriage
license).  In order to get CSAA insurance you have to be a AAA
member, so you must purchase separate memberships (a $10 or $20
difference per year).  I'd push it with them, and I did successfully
in New Mexico, but I have to choose my battles these days.

If both cars are registered in just one of your names, you can
add the other person as a driver, at least with CSAA.  In general,
I've found them to be good insurers.

Leslie
From: Daniel_Morris@QM.SRI.COM (Daniel Morris)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: SHARKS Hockey Fan
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:09:18 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: SRI International

Looking to meet other gay and lesbian fans of the San Jose SHARKS !

I have an extra ticket for Saturday, October 10, 1992 with the Detroit Red
Wings.  The game starts at 7:30 pm at the Cow Palace and I would love to
find someone to join me for this and other upcoming games.

Are there no other Lavender SHARK fans in the Bay Area?

Dan
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: chuckm@dweft.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: SFPD Homophobic Cop
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:57:00 GMT

In article <BvB47p.4oB@well.sf.ca.us> wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:
>
>Just FYI, I had a really nasty confrontation with a San
>Francisco cop while campaigning for Terry Hallinan last
>weekend.  He made a homophobic jibe about Hallinan while
>walking his beat and then basically got in my face when I
>replied with a comment about sensitivity training.  No, it
>doesn't surprise me that SF has queer-hating cops, but for a
>cop to harass someone engaged in strict political speech is a
>bit much.  He's a short, stocky white cop with a moustache and
>dark hair, badge number 24.  He regularly works the Haight
>(it's possible he picked me out because I'm around the Haight
>a lot).  I'd be interested to hear of any other homophobic
>comments encounters with this guy because I'm definitely
>filing a complaint against him.

Keep in mind that the SFPD in general is homophobic.  In fact most gay
cops will only work out of the Mission Station (Castro Area) because they
are harrassed by other cops within the department.

How do I know this?  My lover is a SF Sherriff's Deputy and has alot of
connections within the SFPD.

Don't be too surprised if your complaint goes nowhere.

Chuck

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:42:57 GMT

> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>>
>>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>>San Francisco.
>>
>>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...
>>-- 
>I believe the country north of San Francisco is Canada.
>The referendum was about dividing California into States, not Countries!

Poor pauli -- all he wanted was a festive B&B recommendation
and he ends up in soc.motss.pedantic_wags_from_hell...
-- 
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rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Car insurance
Organization: QueerNet
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:41:55 GMT


In article <1afctgINN585@agate.berkeley.edu> lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>Yes, I use CSAA, and as long as at least one of the cars is
>registered in both of your names, no problem.  The only glitch
>is that you cannot get a family membership to AAA unless you
>are legally married (of course they do not ask for a marriage
>license).  

NOT!

That is NOT the case in the Palo Alto, San Francisco, and Los
Angeles offices.  I've had my dosmetic partner listed as a family
member with AAA of SoCal and CSAA in the bay area for years.

...Max


-- 
|  max@queernet.org  |   Max J. Rochlin   |
+-----------------------------------------+
|         Denial springs eternal          |
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Can't Touch This
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:50:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I am catching the tail end of this thread (no puns please) and thought
I might throw in my 2 cents on Girl Scouts being covertly homophobic:

I was at a conference on nonprofits in Oakland last August, and there
was a Girl Scout representative or employee of some type (she had a
business card withi her name and the GS logo on it) who was trying to
recruit volunteers/troop leaders for Girl Scout troops in the
Richmond area of San Francisco.  Now I know I shouldn't have done
this, but I strung her along for a little bit, talking to her about
what that would involve, time commitments, etc--acting real
interested in general.  Then towards the end of the conversation, I
came out to her and said that I had gone back to my high school to
talk about being gay, and that I would be very interested in being
with a troop and also in talking to troops about being gay.

She assured me that Girl Scouts did not discriminate against lesbians
and that they didn't have any kind of policy like Boy Scouts.  "We
think it's a private issue," she said.  "Whether you're heterosexual
or homosexual, it's a private matter, and we don't talk about it."
She repeated the "we don't talk about it, whether you're heterosexual
or homosexual, it's part of your private life," a couple more times,
then went somewhere else, to find some more appropriate role models, I
suppose.

I can't make any generalization to the organization as a whole, but I
was a little stunned by her offer of a smallish closet--this is San
Francisco, mind you.  I guess the idea of a dyke talking to all those
impressionable young girls seemed too much like recruiting.


Caroline
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:41:56 GMT

> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>San Francisco.

I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...
-- 
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rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Can't Touch This
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:27:32 GMT

In article <72833@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

|> In any event, I imagine what he
|> is trying to say is that the Girl Scouts are covertly anti-lesbian.

Well, here's what I know about the girl scouts and dykes:

I was at a party last fall with a couple (het) who are active in the
Girl Scouts.  The woman said that the scouts accept lesbians as
participants but don't talk about the issue because they don't want to
take heat about it.  Not an ideal position, by any means, but a far cry
from the BSA.  Certainly, I've never heard of anyone being barred from
GSA participation for being a dyke.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:53:29 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>
>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>San Francisco.
>
>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...
>-- 
I believe the country north of San Francisco is Canada.
The referendum was about dividing California into States, not Countries!
From: rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen)
Subject: Re: Car insurance
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:23:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.072121.13743@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet
Pal) writes:
>Has anyone had any luck convincing your auto insurance company to insure
>your and your lover's cars with family rates?  If so, who is your insurer?

About a year ago, I called my insurance agent's office (State Farm,
Tempe Javitz, Palo Alto) to ask whether I could put my housemate's car
on my policy and get the multi-car discount.  I said "housemate" because
that was all he was, but I used pronouns with gender, so it was clear
that he was a motss.  The person I was speaking with told me, with an
amusing amount of delicacy, that they handled such matters on a
case-by-case basis; if we expected to be a household for an extended
period of time, they would do it, but if we just happened to be sharing
a household without a long-term plan to continue doing so they would
not.  (We'd been sharing a household for two years, but had no long-term
intentions, so I thought we didn't meet their criterion, and didn't
pursue it.)

Three asides:  I have gotten extremely good service from this office in
every way for almost twenty years.  The two men in the office set off my
gaydar from at least 100 m away.  The agent's first name is pronounced
TEM-pee, like the city in Arizona, but with the accent on the first
syllable.

--Rich
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: AB2601
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:14:29 GMT

The Merky news said in today's paper that AB2601 has been signed by Wilson.

I'm not sure about all of the details about it, but I do know this must be
making Clayton and his ilk frothing at the mouth, so it can't be all bad.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "You can't get lost in one room, no matter how
sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: The Gap stores
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 05:42:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Awww, Pete's not so bad...
Distribution: ba

In article <michaelh.717293188@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
>
>carty@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Carty) writes:
>>Earlier this week, or maybe last week, I heard on KPFA about The Gap
>>hosting a big $5,000/plate fundraiser in The City for...Pete Wilson.  There
>>were protests, etc., regarding various issues.
>
>this might be because the gap ceo supports bush (or so i read in the
>chronicle business page a few days ago); that doesn't sound
>particularly promising. on the other hand, i have heard that the gap
>is a pretty supportive company. i wonder what gives...?

Well, remember this: only five U.S. governors have signed laws barring
discrimination against gays. Wilson is one of them.

I say, give the big lug a break.

(Just by way of contrast: sodomy is still illegal in Arkansas, but I
know lots of gays who practically worship that state's governor...)

-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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