HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Harley attitudes and other bikes
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:27:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.195353.22342@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|A buell is more American than a Harley, it has more north American Content
|than a Harley. 

  Amen...  And if a Buell was a lot cheaper, and offered a lot more bang
for the buck, I'd be real interested...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones)
Subject: Re: MSF Sticker = bisexual?
Organization: Caere Corp.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:26:55 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>The reflective MSF decal I got is a square rather than a triangle.

The decal you got comes from the California Motorcyclist Safety
Program, not the MSF.  As a CMSP training site, we're provided with
these yellow and blue "Iron Horse" helmet stickers for free.  There are
actually two designs:  One says "GRADUATE" and the other doesn't.

I personally think they're ugly.  I never much cared for the Iron Horse
logo.  It still amazes me how many people look at the design and never
figure out that it has anything to do with motorcycles.

If my site operater were willing to buy stickers from the MSF, we could
give out the MSF triangle as well.  It's a beautiful graphic in my
opinion; simple and elegant.

Anyone who wants one can buy one for a dollar from MSF.  The address is
on the front of your RiderCourse completion card, or you can give them
a call at 714-727-3227.  I personally buy their triangle for the back
of my helmet rather than use one of those yellow and blue things.

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Caere Corp.
mojo@caere.com
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Communicator (Quick review)
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:08:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Sam_-_Malone@cup.portal.com writes:

>Radio Shack's device would most likely be fairly easy to
>modify to meet the frequency being used with "The Communicator"
>a crystal, a tweak, or something not too involved.
>(BTW, both Tim and myself are technicians so the descriptions
> needn't be OVERLY simplified for us). What we would like
>to know, is the frequency itself used by "The Communicator".

Don't know what Collet's "top secret" frequency is, but it'll
be one of the following:

Channel 1 - 49.830 MHz
Channel 2 - 49.845 MHz
Channel 3 - 49.860 MHz
Channel 4 - 49.875 MHz
Channel 5 - 49.890 MHz

You can change between channels by replacing crystals (they'll
probably be two, one 39MHz and one 16MHz)  The salesdude at
Radio Shack should be happy to order the right crystals for
you.  A friend of mine modified his units to match the frequency
of mine - piece of cake.

One thing you should know about the 49MHz tranceivers is that
their range really sucks.  My experience has been that they
only work to about 20 yards once you get moving and there's
significant background noise.  (I have an unfaired bike)
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Dead Battery Problem
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:20:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct11.182010.26753
Organization: Rescorla for himself.

In article <1992Oct11.180303.5560@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>not on the bike). But I would be very interested in the technique for
>picking up a dropped bike.

Don't try to use the header pipes as a handhold.

-Ekr

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Former chemist now CM400 mechanic                 ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
   "Base 8 is just like base 10, really...if you're missing two fingers."
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: The Dead Battery Problem
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:07:02 GMT

So, I've been making get-acquainted-with-the-bike trips on my new (used)
1984 Honda Nighthawk 650, and today I went over to the credit union to
juggle some money, came back out, got on, did all the FINE-C stuff, pressed
the starter, and .... click ... nothing.  Dead battery.

Yes, I need to get up to higher speeds for longer periods of time.
Eventually, I will do that.  Right now, I don't feel comfortable in the
kind of traffic I would be in anywhere around here that traffic gets up to
speed.  Maybe on the weekends.   

I pushed it up a slight upgrade, and was able to get up enough speed on the
downhill side to start the engine.  Unfortunately, I managed to stall it
again later (one of the problems of being a new rider) and couldn't push
start it again.  Luckily, it was at the entrance to the parking lot of the
building where I work, so I was able to push it the rest of the way in.
Felt like I was going to have a heat stroke, but I made it.  

(Along the way I learned something they didn't tell us in the MSF class -
you can't walk a motorcycle from the side the way you can a bicycle.  If
you try, it will fall over.  On the other hand, the technique they taught
us for picking up a fallen bike *did* work.  And that's why I bought a bike
that already had some dings in it.) 

So on to my questions... 

1) Is the battery likely to have been permanently damaged by being
completely discharged?  My experience with car batteries has been that once
they've lost the charge once they're pretty much done for.  Should I get a
new battery, just in case, or are motorcycle batteries somehow different?  

2) Any brands or types to avoid or look for?  

3) Does anyone make "emergency reserve" batteries for motorcycles, similar
to the ones for cars? 

4) Is there any reasonable way to carry a power source for a one-time
start?    I'm not sure what I have in mind - maybe some sort of tiny "just
add water" quickie battery.


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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: bbrooks@rsi.UUCP (Bill Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD Pets (was I won? (NOT!) )
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:55:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks

In article <viking.718593727@vincent2.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> 
> >Besides, everybody has cats.  Ferrets, now *there's* an interesting pet...
> 
> 	I've four.  Bonnie N. Clyde, Angel Eyes, Blondie, and Tuco
> Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez.  They are not only too stupid
> [...]
> look.  Given all ferret behavior I've seen, they're the ultimate squids.
> 
> 	BTW: they not only kick the cat's ass regularly, they will
> consistently kick the white butt of my samoyed!  I love 'em.

We have two: Bailey and J.B. (for Jumping Bean).  We used to have another
named Pogo.  And actually, they're plenty smart; they just don't care what
happens to 'em.  My fiance had one jump off her shoulder (she's about 5'4",
so it wasn't *too* far ;-) onto a concrete sidewalk just because she
(the ferret) wanted to explore the grass or something.  We also have
half a llama (mom-in-law-to-be owns the other half) and a pregnant wallaby.
Sister-in-law raise ostriches in CO for fun and profit (major profit actually)
and is now getting into pygmy hedgehogs (fits in the palm of your hand and
doesn't squeal like a pot-bellied pig).  Am I marrying into a zoo or what?!
Oh, and we own the back half--you don't have to feed it and babies (crias)
come out that end (ok, so I have to scoop poop but at 5-10K per critter
I'll do worse than that).
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
DoD# n/a -- you can't make me if I don't want to. Nyah! Nyah!

Bill Brooks        wbrooks@boudicca.prc.com             
FZR600 Rider,Mac Hacker,X-Men Fan,Llama owner/trainer,ex-chop suey fighter
From: molenda@msi-i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:20:37 GMT

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>The universal problem is that a motorcycle helmet face shield is a
>weird shaped thing that doesn't pack efficiently anywhere.  It's

It fits in one end of my Eclipse tankbag main compartment quite nicely,
thank you.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:04:08 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
]  Hmmm...  I've got a couple of old Shoie Z-100's that use the exact same
]shields as most (all?) later-model Shoie helmets such as the RF108V and
]RF-200.  

I can't say for sure, but I believe the RF-200 sheild is probably the same
type of plastic as is used on my X-8. if that's the case then you need to
get one of those new shields. they can handle paper towels :-)

]  Are there any well-thought-of helmets that have an appreciably faster
]faceshield replacement method?

it's hard to believe that after flying all the way out here I didn't
show you how my X8 attaches. no screws. move the shield to a certain
point to line up two grooves, push a lever on each side with your thumb
and it pops off. the replacement snaps on by just pushing on the shield
above the pivot point. pretty darn quick and simple.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 1965 Triumph Bonneville
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:02:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct15.180208.6033
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

klos@interlan.interlan.com (Patrick Klos):
>I have a 1965 Triumph Bonneville in MINT condition.  Does anyone have any
>idea what it would be worth.  I think it has less than 15K miles.  I'm
>pretty sure most everything is original.  I appreciate any responses.

About $5. $10 if you pay the shipping.


_____________________________________________________________________________
Dan Bidwa                             I believe nothing and in nothing.
dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu       !disclaim!   I believe everything and in everything.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: FOUND:  Old Honda 450
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:19:52 GMT

In article <1bbd5lINN8i@agate.berkeley.edu> meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker) writes:
>or something.  No such luck, it turned to be a Honda, perhaps from the mid to 
>late 70's.  The emblem on the side said it was a dual cam 450.  That seemed
>strange since I thought that all of the honda 400's and 450 twins were only
>single cam engines.  The bike seemed complete: carbs, spark plug wires,
>ignition
>coils, speedometer (120 mph), tachometer, and even the horn were still there.  
>The thing didn't even look rusty.  I've seen bikes on the road that look
>worse.  
...
>Also, does anyone know anything about dual cam Honda 450 twins?  Would it even 
>be worth it to get it back on the road?  

Market value, in decent running condition is around $500, give or take.
Fully restored, a bit more.  As it sits, under $50.  Some of us
would consider it worth getting on the road, but it's also a common
enough thing that unless it's mechanically in good shape, it's probably
not worth spending a lot of money on.  It can be a fun bike to ride, though,
and would make a good first bike if you have any friends starting out.

If it happens to be a CB450 (with the slightly larger gas tank), I might
be interested in the tank.  If it still has a stock exhaust system
in good shape, that too.  And the speedo, if the trip odo reset works.


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CX500 Fan Club			(Was: Paying for Damages...)
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:06:48 GMT
Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ale.japan.sun.com
Keywords: sleekit, chasmal, lustration, rickle, dyspathy, filius-nullius.

In article <1992Oct08.124628.10676@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
%  
%  V-twin, shaft-drive, weird styling, very comfortable seat, weird
%  noise, reasonable handling (like a 2CV!) I like it.
%  

   CX500s are kinda' like Frog-eye Sprites...  the damn things are just so
   strange and ugly that  you end up  wanting to give one  a good home  to
   save it from the cruelties of this xenophobic world.

   It's probably the closest us folks of the male persuasion come to being
   "broody".

   Now then, how about rec.moto.cx500??   :^)

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From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Idiot bicycle races on non-closed courses (was Re: ignore  -  test)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:31:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct13.213111.6366
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct12.232739.23488@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.210505.14902@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>>In article <clayb.19.718508733@county.lmt.mn.org> clayb@county.lmt.mn.org (Clay Babcock) writes:
>>[Bicycles]
>[rant deleted]
>>
>>  Just *whose* idea is it to hold bicycle races on public roads, especially
>>considering how dangerous it is for the bicyclists on the roads they were
>>on (north San Diego County roads, in this instance).
>
>Dangerous because of testosterone-crazed ZX11 riders, no doubt.
>Have some fuckin' tolerance, will you?  The road's not your
>personal playground, there's other people with different hobbies
>than you.  Deal with it, or you lose the right to complain when they
>try to take away _your_ hobby.
>

Speaking of tolerance ...  right in there aren't we!

Yup, probably was AYH or some such other group doing a ride.  I've been
on enough of them to see some *really* squidley riding ... when you get
3 or 4 different speed pace lines at the same point, you can get people
LEFT OF CENTER real easy.  Note the emphasis, that's what the original
poster was bitching about!  There is *NO* more excuse for one or many 
bicycle riders to be left of center, any more than there would be for 
me to be left of center in a Mack truck!  

>Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride left of center  }

    {  TREK 2000 included among "even less worthwhile 2 wheel stuff"  }
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hur@oclc.org (Matt Hur)
Subject: counter-steering?
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:27:23 GMT

I overheard some bikers at a local shop talking about "counter-steering".
Can someone tell me what that is?  I just steer my bike by turning
the bars.

thanks in advance,
Don Gibb
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Drilling my own discs
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:49:48 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Friday October 09 1992 07:04, Wm. L. Ranck wrote to All:

 WLR> :       As strange as it may seem, braking power is not primarily a
 WLR> : function of the contact area between the pads and the rotor. The most
 WLR>  : important factor by far is the diameter of the disc or drum, with a
 WLR> larger  : diameter allowing for more braking power. : Doesn't seem too
 WLR> strange.  Leverage plays an important part.  In other words if the pads
 WLR> acted on the rim of the wheel the braking power would be very good.
 WLR> Bicycle brakes anyone? :-)

 WLR> What most folks seem to forget is that drilling the discs was orignally
 WLR> done to lighten the unsprung weight.  Other benefits may have become
 WLR> the main reason lately, but reducing weight was the reason the racers
 WLR> did it first.

I am intrigued by the carbon-carbon front brakes of the C591 Cagiva that Lawson
rode in '91, because they appear to have relatively small diameter rotors. It
would appear that rotor diameter is less important to braking power in
composite systems than in conventional systems, no? Of course, the '92 Cagiva
had different front brakes, so maybe they didn't work?

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
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John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: echoppin@csu.edu.au (Errol Chopping -TE)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Which side do you mount up from?
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:46:09 GMT
Organization: Charles Sturt University-Mitchell

One vote for left hand side mount.

Do you mount (a bike smartarse) from the left because that's where
the stand is or is the stand there because that's the side we
mount from?

I'll wager the proportion of right-hand-side mounters is less
than 1%.

Errol

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From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Care (was Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:03:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.10753
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <dbc-081092183528@b62003.student.cwru.edu> dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>
>Speaking of helmet abuse.  Does anyone use those lined helmet bags?  Are
>they work the hassle?
>
  I use a surplus military flight helmet bag to carry my race helmet
around.  Tech inspectors look at your helmet in a very picky manner, and
don't like the scuffs and scratches that happen in everyday use.  The
bag was $15 at the local surplus outlet, and is worth every nickel.

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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: curt@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Curt Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Pretty Fuckin' Happy
Date: 12 Oct 1992 13:54:07 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com
Summary: New Bike; r.m thread thoughts

Well, I'm pretty fuckin' happy!  After many months of reading the mags
and watching the Cycle Trader, I found and bought a (almost) new '92
Seca II last night.  2800 miles, black, center stand, tank bra, engine
guards, $3,000.  Deal?  I think so, based on what I've seen in the papers...

The bad news is that I can't pick it up til tommorrow.  Seems I forgot about
that poseur Columbus, the very un-p.c. dude who arrived here on Terra
Incognito much, much later than my esteemed and peaceful forebearers, the
Vikings...Anyway, Columbus' wholly unfavorable impact on the U.S. banking
system today (Columbus Day) prohibits procurement of one very important
cashier's check...so wait another day...

Call me a newbie, but I couldn't believe the difference in the ride,
acceleration, and handling vs my first bike, the Rebel.  I can't wait
to hit the twisties in eastern San Diego county.  (Sure, I know the 
Seca is no CBR900RR, but you're no John Kennedy, and its a logical 
and affordable progression for me...)

Anyway, since I'm typing, I feel compelled to offer up my thoughts on
recent r.m traffic:  23 miles one way, in a cage-pool; coffee black;
full face RF200; the Rutgers newbie flamewar soldiers are jagoffs; what
the fuck is a jagoff - some regionalism?; is anyone polluting rec.bicycles
with stupid questions about motorcyclists out to get bicyclists (does
Godzilla hate all cities, or just Tokyo?  would Godzilla ride a Japanese
bike if one were big enough?; of course the so-called "noise" would follow
to r.m.tech as long as humans were the ones doing the posting and responding;
and lastly, someone should designate Tod as the poet of rec.moto...

Gotta go,  bye.

P.S.  Thanks to Brian Davis for forwarding all the info on the Seca II!


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Curt Nelson   San Diego, CA                      curt@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com
'92 Seca II                                  Displays of Decadence #731
'86 Honda Rebel 450                  Disclaimer:  I don't speak for H-P
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From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Make Your Own Electric Vest
Keywords: Article reference
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:45:28 GMT
Distribution: rec

I'm not sure if this is the article some other posters have been referring
to, but the October '92 issue of Wing World, the monthly publication of the
GWRRA, has an article about constructing your own electric vests.  It
didn't look too difficult and the author claimed be could construct two
vests for a cost of about $50.  My wife wants an electric vest and I
seriously considered it but given the cost of materials and the amount
of time involved, compared to the cost of commercial vests, I decided
the home-brew route wasn't worth it.

--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
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