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From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: U-Penn e-mail accounts?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:39:21 GMT

A friend of mine at U-Penn (undergrad) said that regular students are not
allowed to have e-mail accounts there, but engineering students are
entitled to them. As such, he has a friend who is an engineering student,
and does mail through his account. Is this really true? Is there anyone
out there (from Penn?) who knows more about this? It sounds pretty silly.
-Rick
From: WAF102@psuvm.psu.edu (William Fabanich)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Space Propulsion Research/Leaders
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:57:32 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Howdy,
   I am looking for any info on schools known for their leadership in the propu
lsion field (combustion, general design.....solids, liquids, hybrids, advanced
concepts....etc). Any info (rankings , suggestions, opinions, places to look...
etc. )
         Thanx,
             Bill Fabanich
             waf102@psuvm.psu.edu
From: st1w1@rosie.uh.edu (Lee, Ho F.)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Problem of sending mail to Queens College (CUNY) (Even in REPLY mode)
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.11NOV199211144672
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello!
	I have tried to send mails to Queens College (CUNY), but they all 
bounded back to me. I am sure the account and the address are correct because I
got that from a mail by my friend. I have tried to reply his mail by using REPLY
, but the result was the same. The postmaster said my user specification is not
correct. It marked my address as "ST1W1@JETSON.OH.EDU". It should be UH not OH.
					       ^^
I have also sent a mail to the postmaster of Queens College; however, it did not
 bound back. I am still waiting for reply from the postmaster. Does anyone have 
problem sending mail to Queens College? Please help!
Thank you!
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: This "Frat" discussion...
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:16:22 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <Bx9A4n.Ezn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton) writes:
> In <key2kSm00WB4I945s9@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Warren Selberg <es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>>Someone went and read the bibliography in the last flame war (Mark?).
> 
> I think his name was Mike.  I found his arguments against the methodologies
> used to be invalid, after reading the studies.

That is of course your privilidge. I however am not wild about calling 
a Ms. Magazine article hard scientific evidence. Call me kooky...

> 
> PS: Incidentally, Indiana U has two copies of the Sanday book, "Fraternity 
> Gang Rape", at least one of which is actually on the shelf (I checked).  
> Are we no longer a "major university"?  :-(

yeah, we have it too. Odd, that. Unless of course it's another classic
Ted Frank Misleading statement.



Mike
From: DSCT@db1.cc.rochester.edu (DAVID SCOTT)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: frat questions
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:05:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Having noticed several things in this conversation that are untrue.
1. I am in a fraternity.
		-I am not rich (Loans finished in year 2012)
		-I have so far managed not to rape anyone, and neither
have the rest of the brothers in all houses on my campus
		-I am in graduate school now, and am curious how I managed this 
with the disabilities that ted seems to think I had.
These included; I was forced to meet other people in my major (molecular 
genetics) and want ot know khow have older people to help you in your classes
hurts you. 2. test files. While their validity is debated, I think that they
are both legal abd helpful. In my graduate program, the students keep them, and
pass them down year to year.

		-I am curious why the hours that I spent bouncing a basketball
to raise money for the american heart association are not worth anything
(2 wholedeays a year, as
ted seems to imply. My liitle brother would also wonder why the time that I 
spent with him ( little brother was 12 from disadvantaged family) was not
worth anything.	I WAS NOT THE EXCEPTION, if anything I was kind of a slacker.
I suffered another sin, in that I was on the swim team, so I did not have 
a lot of free time. 
		-I find it curious that the people that were most involved on our
campus all seemed to be in fraternities or sororities. THis indicates what?
I do not think that it is a giant conspiracy to cover the greek tracks.
The thinking that Oh, we'll fool them, let's all get involved in school and
then we can do whatever we want, because they think that we are good, seems
to be lacking, and stupid. The only other reason, that the people actually 
care, will be unappealing to ted, so I will not advance that arguement.

	I guess that this post may invite the wrath of ted, but his nonsense
has continued long enough.
					-Gavin
From: stieger@cco.caltech.edu (Ronald David Stieger)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Attendance policy
Date: 7 Nov 1992 23:01:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu


Wow.  You mean some colleges actually have attendance policies?  That seems
kind of silly.  Sure, some classes, mainly in the humanities, require class
participation, but requiring attendance at lectures?  We're big boys and 
girls now.  And the professors actually waste their time worrying about it?
If I didn't get any sleep the night before, I'd much rather not get up for a 
morning class than get up and fall asleep as soon as I got there, and I 
wouldn't have learned anything by going either.  And you didn't include 
illness as a valid excuse.  Was that an oversight on your part or is the 
administration really that harsh?  Good luck in trying to get the policy
changed.


-- 
--Ron Stieger                      **** JUST VOTE NO. ****
  stieger@cco.caltech.edu
You know you're in trouble when math is the only class you DON'T use a
calculator for.
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: frats and William Muse
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Christopher B Enstad)
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:59:22 -0600
Distribution: all

In article <1992Nov10.194458.15583@midway.uchicago.edu>  writes:
> I did a search on LEXIS for (fraternity and (william w/4 muse)).  The 
> only articles citing William Muse on the subject of fraternities were
> in regards to
> 
> 1. When he shut down some fraternities at U of Akron for poor behavior,
> 
> and
> 
> 2. When he allowed the Kappa Alpha fraternity at Auburn to hold a racist
>    parade, despite complaints from the community at large.
> 
> No newspaper or magazine quoted Muse as an expert on fraternities.
> 
> On the other hand, the people I mentioned (Peggy Reeves Sanday, Chris
> O'Sullivan, Andrew Merton, Bernice Sandler, Towson State Committee for
> the Prevention of Campus Violence, American Association of University
> Women) are all cited in for their work on fraternities in a number of 
> major newspapers (New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, 
> Chicago Tribune, Gannett News Services, the Nation, Boston Globe, etc.).  
> A search for their names in LEXIS will turn up dozens of articles on 
> the problems of fraternities and athletic teams.  (In fact, far more
> articles have been written about rape and athletic teams than rape and
> fraternities, even though just about all of these articles mention that
> athletes have the second-highest rape rate, behind only fraternities.)
> 
> Readers are welcome to draw their own conclusions, but apparentally,
> journalists in general have a higher opinion of the sources I've cited  
than 
> William Muse, who, as far as I can tell, has only written about the  
similarities
> in running large social organizations that happen to be fraternities,  
and
> in running businesses.  I'm perfectly willing to concede that running
> a large-scale social organization is good experience.  I don't see how
> that's relevant to whether the large-scale organization in question  
happens 
> to discriminate against women needlessly, has the highest rape rate  
amongst
> all organizations on campus, and has killed dozens of students, which  
are
> the objections I raised against fraternities.  As I've said before,  
there's
> nothing meaningful a fraternity does that can't be done with the reforms  
I've
> suggested.
> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
> also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where  
prohibited
> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

Running a fraternity like a business is like running this country like a  
business...it can't happen without input from the people who belong.  And  
that's another point about fraternities, you don't work for them...you  
belong to them
Newsgroups: soc.college
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Subject: New Ph.D. Program
Organization: institute for the learning sciences
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:42:20 GMT

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From: gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Geoffrey Spear)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Cheat sheets
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:04:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	I heard a story where a professor told his students they could bring a
three-by-five card with formulas, and since he didn't specify units,
they brought in a 3 foot by 5 foot card.
-----------------------------------
Geoff Spear
Carnegie Mellon University
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Class of '96 (I hope...)
-----------------------------------
"Love may be a matter of chemistry, but sex is all physics."
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: C14596@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Danielle Solomon)
Subject: Re: did anyone read my previous post
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:08:54 CST

SORRY YOU DON'T LIKE CAPS. I DON'T EITHER BUT THE KEYBOARD I USE DOESN'T
PRINT SMALL LETTERS.  THAT IS WHAT I GET FOR WORKING IN A BIG COMPANY
WHERE MY KEYBOARD IS THE LAST THING TO GET FIXED.
I DIDN'T WRITE IN CAPS ON PURPOSE. SORRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mind the Gap)
Subject: Re: Dr. Wm V. Muse (was: Re: frats)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.093330@lucy.merrimack.edu> rand@lucy.merrimack.edu () writes:
>I'd be interested in seeing your bibliography, Ted. It's hard to find some of this stuff. Fraternities and Sororities on the Contemporary College Campus (1987, Jossey-Bass) contains an accurate picture of what fraternities generally are today and what they should be. It contains a lot of cites.

Perhaps you can summarize.  Self-published materials in fraternity publications
hardly counts as peer-reviewed scholarship, and the titles don't seem to
indicate that he addresses *any* of the issues I've brought up.  Does Muse 
claim that a fraternity has to be all-male to have success?  Does he claim that
fraternities don't have abnormally high rape rates?  If not, your sources are
irrelevant to anything I'm discussing.  If so, I'd be surprised.

>It took a long time to dig the whole. It'll take a long time to fill it in...

The whole what?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: matthews@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matt Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Cheat sheets
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:03:14 GMT

In article <40899@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou) writes:
>
>In one of my classes, the professor said he would allow an 8.5"x11"
>cheat sheet on the midterm exam.  He was also saying that in the past
>years, creative students brought 3 and 4 dimensional 8.5x11 cheat sheets.
>Since this was an engineering class dealing with problems in n-space,
>he allowed it and chalked it up to creativity.
>
>One idea I had for a cheat sheet is to overlay multiple pages on one
>cheat sheet using a different color for each page.  Then at the exam,
>just whip out your color filters (like those goofy 3-D glasses) to
>view each page.
>
>Anyone else have any ideas for a good cheat sheet?
>
>-- 
>Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
>dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
>[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
>dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.

Do you really need more than both sides of a piece of paper? If so, the
only suggestion that I have is to print it out. I've found that the
printer can print lots smaller than I can. You might have to use a
magnifiying glass to help, but that's no biggie. 



                  Matt Sullivan  Northeastern University
                    MatthewS@Lynx.Crc.Northeastern.Edu

                  --  Go U.Maine Black Bear Hockey!  --
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Clauses of interest from our bylaws
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:44:11 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

MIKEF@brownvm.brown.edu (Mike Fessler) writes:

>Ted, I'm a member of a co-ed fraternity at Brown University. Here's a question
>for you: given the following two clauses from our bylaws (accurate in substance
>if not in exact phrasing -- I don't have them in front of me, but I was on
>our bylaw revision committee a couple of years ago so I remember the gist)
>and the fact that our emphasis on alcohol since our founding ten years
>ago has been minimal to nil, are you still prepared to condemn me because
>I'm a fraternity member?

>1) The Kappa Chapter of the Fraternity of Delta Psi shall not discriminate,
>either in the selection of its members or in participation in its activites,
>on the basis of sex, race, religion, handicap, national origin, or sexual
>orientation.

>2) The Kappa Chapter of the Fraternity of Delta Psi shall not engage in
>any physical or psychological mistreatment of its pledges or members, including
>but not limited to "hazing" as defined by Brown University policy and Rhode
>Island law.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Michael Fessler                                   mikef@brownvm.brown.edu
>   To light a candle is to cast a shadow.  -- Ursula K. LeGuin
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well if most frats were like yours I would probably not have a
problem. I am anti-frat for the most part because the frats here tend
not to be like that. They are loud and discriminatory. And they do
haze. If All frats were like yours I might even be convinced to join
one. (well do you charge dues? that would turn me off)

--Zach
   Zachary Kessin               
 ZKessin@cs.brandeis.edu  / real.world: I don't think the    |
 (617)736-5848           /   news server gets that group!    |
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping Huang)
Subject: Re: REQUEST : How does your school handle dorm assignments?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.014706.11571@usl.edu> ljr3721@usl.edu (Joey Richard) writes:

 > 	The University of Southwestern Louisiana has recently received 
 > complaints from students about unfair dormitory assignment procedures.  
 > The university currently groups students according to ACT scores.
 > 	I would appreciate a short note describing the procedure used 
 > for determining dorm assignments at your school (ACT/SAT, GPA, major, 
 > etc.), and your opinion of its fairness and effectiveness.

I also experienced disbelief when I read how your university selects
housing for students. Currently, MIT dormitory housing selection is part
of the R/O (Residence/Orientation) week. Approximately 1,110 freshmen
choose where they wish to live, be it a fraternity, an independent
living group, or a dormitory, within the space of about four days.
Fraternities and ILG's are permitted to issue bids after two days of
rush events; for dormitories, students list their preferences and the
information is fed into a computer program to try to satisfy as many
first or second choices as possible. Most dormitories here have a
secondary in-house rush where freshmen try to decide what entries or
floors they want to live in, and in many cases the upperclassmen also
get to voice their opinions about who they want to move in.

Because the fraternities, ILG's, and dormitories are quite different in
character and composition of the students who live there (although I
believe not to the extent that anybody should feel great despair if they
are assigned to a dormitory not in their top choices), most students at
MIT find this process to be preferable to what the administration has
been trying to promote in the last decade or so, which is mandatory
housing in freshmen-only dormitories (with any kind of rush to occur in
spring term or sophomore year). Certainly not everybody is satisfied
with the choice that they made and/or the choices which houses may have
made about them in the short span of just about a hundred hours, but the
overall result is that it works.

To tie back to how freshmen might be placed in freshmen dorms if that
should ever come about, I have not heard any proposals, but I suspect
that either the dorm staff and hall tutors would be allowed to "rush"
for freshmen, or assignment would be completely random (except for those
who for varied reasons request single-sex housing).

--
Ping Huang (INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu), probably speaking for himself

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: shugrue@spatial (Leon Shugrue)
Subject: Re: any good colleges in North Western Florida?
Organization: ANL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.212950.3813@esds.mdc.com> bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney) writes:
>Are there any good colleges close to the Destin, Florida?
>If not, how about Pensacola or Panama City?  

I recently was considering applying to Florida State University, which is in
Tallahassee. While browsing their brochures, I found that they have a campus
in Panama City, one of my favorite cities in Florida. When I called to request
an application for this campus, though, I was told that there is a limited 
amount of subjects taught there. My major is Bio, and I was told that no 
science courses are taught at the Tallahassee campus, but perhaps your major
is given there.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Frats
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:52:26 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Oct29.224212.17549@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
> In article <29OCT199210290941@vax2.concordia.ca> gadosy1@vax2.concordia.ca (ME, WHO ELSE?) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct29.002106.11020@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...

> Ah, it was only thirty years ago that Sigma Chi sued to keep blacks out.
> Luckily the courts didn't go for it.  It's only a matter of time, but
> one day, women will have equal rights, and people who belonged to all-male
> fraternities will have to make the same sorts of explanations that people
> who belong to all-white golf clubs do today.  You should save yourselves
> a lot of trouble and just go co-ed.
> -- 


Ah... Ted. I see you got over getting your worthless ass flamed over on 
alt.peeves for jumping into a situation about which you knew nothing. You 
really have to stop repesting the same mistake.

Love and kisses!
Mike
From: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: frats and William Muse
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:52:36 GMT
Reply-To: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu ()
Organization: "Silicon Surfers, Inc."

, 11 13:52:36 19929213:52:36 1992ESTLines: 29


In article <1992Nov10.194458.15583@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu >
>No newspaper or magazine quoted Muse as an expert on fraternities.
>

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. _I_ don't claim he's an expert. Other people do. You just
wanted cites. This statement and:

>A search for their names in LEXIS will turn up dozens of articles on 
>the problems of fraternities and athletic teams.

Make a great paper tiger argument. Like the media reports a lot of 'good'
news (not only fraternity related but ANY good news). That's just not the business they're in.

>As I've said before, there's
>nothing meaningful a fraternity does that can't be done with the reforms I've
>suggested.

Funny, I say the same thing about Wellesley and Howard and am called a
bigot.

Don't get me wrong, Ted. I'm on your side (about 90% of the time). I just
think you're just a bit too self-righteous.

--
Rand P. Hall, System Janitor, Merrimack College, North Andover, Massachusetts
Internet: rand@merrimack.edu, rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
\  /\  /\  /\  /\____________________________________________________________  
 \/  \/  \/  \/     Abortion stops a beating heart
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: cglover@lonestar.utsa.edu (Calvin G. Glover)
Subject: do you go to TCU
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:49:33 GMT


    howdy

    do you go to TCU.  if so, do you know my sister?

    i'm trying to get her to get an email account so that she can
    write me.  (usps apparently costs too much!)

    if you could help me, please email me directly.

    thanks

    calvin
From: 50monk@cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:01:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cua.1992Nov6.160149.1
Organization: The Catholic University of America

Can someone please repost the FAQ list of college email addresses?  If you
really want to, you can just send the email address of UF at Gainesville to me
at the following address:  in%"50monk@cua.edu"
   
















                                                                              
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