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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:28:46 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.

In article <1992Oct5.202717.13140@progress.com> gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
>donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid) writes:
>
>>to bring their thistle (a 19' 500Lb boat) into the dock.  The winds were
>>15 kn with gusts to 20.  We were downwind of a large hill so the shifts 
>
>>I have seen many boaters with engines who could not control their boats
>>anywhere near this closely.
>
>Sorry Charley.  With a 500 lb boat it's a piece of cake.  Pretty near anyone
>could do it after an hours practice.  Try the same stunt with a 20000 lb.
>boat and it'll change your tune. 
>
>cheers,
>gerard

Just goes to show our different perspectives.  I consider my boat relatively
lite at 18,000lbs.  During all this discussion about sailing to a dock I
have been thinking about the last boat I tried it in 33,000lbs. 54' from 
bowsprit to sternpit.  I`m just glad it wasn`t my usual slip, a 50 footer 
with 65 feet between finger piers, 500 foot piers and typically a gentle to
moderate cross wind. 

If feel fairly certain the Marina would ask me to vacate if I tried to sail
into my slip more than once. 
If my motor were non-functional, I would sail to a nearby anchorage and 
either repair it (parts via dinghy) or call (VHF) for a commercial tow. 

joel clark
From: Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Gardner)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Cruis'N Carry Outboard
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:00:30 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I have a ten year old version of the above outboard which needs some serious
maintenance.  Would anyone have the address of the manufacture or a supply
source for parts. Are they still in business?
From: olson30@netcom.com (John Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: GPS
Keywords: Happy
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:40:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:



>Terry,

>Would you recommend GPS over Loran.

I don't know about reception conditions on the east coast, but
here in central California, the Loran reception can be spotty
at times.  We have frequent troubles with signal quality in
the Santa Cruz area and I understand that the problem gets
worse down by Big Sur.

I would recommend GPS.

John
From: moinard@irisa.fr (Yves Moinard)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio/recieiver
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:12:16 GMT
Reply-To: moinard@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA, Rennes, France

>also I think some (marginal?) VHF SSB exists but I am not sure.
                               ^^^

Sorry, read CB instead of VHF.
I am not sure this info is very serious anyway.
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Knots, Bends and other tangles
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:19:24 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Heres how I learned to tie a bowline when I was a boy. Hold one piece in
such a way that it resembles a tree with a hole at the base. Take the other
piece and "the rabbit comes up out of the hole, around the tree and back down
the hole".

Bryan
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: clagett@ms.uky.edu (Bill Clagett)
Subject: sailing simulators
Keywords: moonpies, sailing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:12:39 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I was asked to pass this on to the newsgroup:

	From: Jeffrey Jason Woodard <gt0326d@prism.gatech.edu>
	Subject: Re: sailing simulators
	To: Bill Clagett <clagett@ms.uky.edu>
	Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 15:57:05 EDT

	Bill,

	In the October issue of SAIL magazine, page 96 in the new
	products section, Posey Yacht Design has an ad. for many
	different types of sailing simulators from cruising to racing
	to catamarans.  The cost totals to about $55.  It is in color
	or monocrome in 3-D.  The phone # is 203-345-2685.  They have a
	guarantee, so if it turns out to be like the North one you can
	send it back within two weeks.

	Please let me know about it if you get it, and pass the info on
	to everyone else as I can not post to the group.

	Thanks,
	Jeff

After asking about sailing simulators a few weeks back, I got lots of
responses from people wanting me to share any findings, but almost no
information.  So, the interest is there.  Let us know if you have any
information on sailing simulators!

Bill
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    clagett@ms.uky.edu    {rutgets, uunet}!ukma!clagett    bill@ukpr.uky.edu
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Pollution at Lake Powell
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Organization: Utah State University

I heard on the news last night that certain areas of Lake Powell are
suffering from potentually dangerous concentrations of E Coli bacteria. :-(
In fact some places have been closed.  It has been determined that rabbits
and coyotes are _not_ the cause of the problem.  Speculation is that people
are pumping their holding tanks etc into the lake if a dump station is not
handy.  I don't know whether to be mad, sad, or both!?  Lake Powell is too
nice of a place to screw up.  The litter was bad enough, now this.  Come
on folks if you carry it in, carry it out, All OF IT!  Sorry for preaching
to the converted but it was easier to take when pollution was an "East coast
problem".
--
Hal (keep your crap out of my lake) Lynch      apologies to Wayne S.

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
From: mcnab@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Alan McNab)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 22:46:52 GMT
Subject: Big Boat Series
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.boats


The St. Francis YC Big Boat Series this year was perhaps one
of the most exciting weekends we've had since the Maxi's were
in town in 1988.  The ULDB/Santa Cruz 70s experienced some
major damage.  Before the regatta started there were eleven
however, by the last race on Sunday only nine started and some
of those were limping badly.

Maverick T-boned Blonie while trying to duck her stern.
Unfortunately, while beating upwind at nine knots with 70
feet in front of the helm you've got to make your decision
well in advance.  BANG!  They punched the primary through
Blondie's deck and stripped the life lines off the port 
side.  Chris Dickson driving out to the start lost his 
rig, some thing about hitting a tree...its not clear!  So
he ended up missing the first three races, while putting
on a new mast.   Evolution, while short tacking City 
Front ran aground and had to be towed off the sand.  John
Kostecki driving Paul Simonsen's Mongoose came in first
overall with four bullets and and a third.

There were some new and tricked out boats on the scene this
year, most notable was Cooksons High 5.  The Farr design
with a plumb bow took five firsts and a second.  Its up for
charter at around $50K per regatta plus crew expenses!

Larry Harvey's J-35 Abba-Zabba Jab cleaned up with five first
places and a fourth - they were over early and didn't realize
it until two or three minutes into the first leg!  The boat
cleaned up for the third year in a row, I guess dry-storing
your J-35 really pays off as well as buying the crew matching
Henry Lloydd gear!

Alan
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:47:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct05.185124.25867@watson.ibm.com> dwl@watson.ibm.com  writes:
>Engine on, in neutural, in all cases. No sense in not having the engine ready
>if you need it,

Keep in mind that many boats tick the propellor over slowly, even in
neutral (Atomic 4's do). It will give you just a bit of thrust. It
will also wrap a mooring line around the shaft :-(
 
Since picking up a mooring under sail is sometimes a bit, um, 'busy,' I
leave the engine off, if I have plenty of maneuvering room to correct
a flamingo-up under sail.
 
Greg
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Nav lights for a sailboat (WAS:Nav lights quiz)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 21:06:53 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

I, for one, despise the mast mounted tri-colors.  I find them hard to spot, and
easily obscured under sail. I've had more trouble judging tri-colors
than almost
any other lighting arrangement. In particular, you often get almost no
visual clue as to converging courses in close crossings. My experience
from about 10 years of doing overnight races is that the most visible
arrangements
are the lights mounted on pulpits. I think the arrangement with seperate
reds and greens is a touch better than the ones that combine them, but both are
quite visible. From an on the deck perspective, it's a lot easier to notice
when your deck level light had gone south than one at the top of the stick. 

I don't have the international rules in front of me, but the US inland 
navigation rules calls for a sternlight to be "as nearly practicable at the
stern of the vessel."

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
From: spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:22:35 GMT
Subject: Re: tailpipe underwater question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Sure, we wanna know....did the boat sink, or the trailer float?



*I've* never backed a boat in with the transom plug stuck in the steering
wheel!

*I've* never backed a jet ski in with the engine hood cover strap off.

*I've* never stood next the I.O. while a neophite attempted to raise it
past the stops and one of the hoses blew....yuck.

*I've* never driven 100 miles home in the dark with the trailer lights 
unplugged.

*I've* never attempted to tow a 40' sailboat with a jet ski and a 1/4"
ski rope....twang-snap! Yeeoocchh!


As far as the power vs sail, it is NOT the boat, it is the boz...uh, person
in control. Just like guns, just like cars, just like .....


Another B.S!
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Repowering and conversion
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:47:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: 129.wwalker-051092174525
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <1457@niktow.canisius.edu>, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg
Pavlov) wrote:
> 
> 
>   I am interested in knowing whether:
> 
>     1. anyone has "repowered" an i/o by replacing the entire i/o
>        with a bracket-mounted outboard;
> 
>     2. what others may think of the idea.
> 
>   I am aware that some boat manufacturers "beef up" transoms on boats that will
>   have a bracket-mounted outboard attached.
> 
>   The specific boat in question is a 1981 Tiara Pursuit 25' walk-around. 
> 
>   thanks,  
> 
>     Greg Pavlov,
>     pavlov@fstrf.org

This is a "category 2" response.  I see some problems:

1) You've got to do something about that big hole in the transom.
2) You'll want to do something about that engine bay taking up space in the
cockpit.  That'll mean some glasswork, most likely.  All of this is bound
to hurt the resale value of the boat.
3) Transom strength may not be an issue if that engine configuration was
available on that boat model.  They may use the same transom for both
versions (except that one doesn't the aforementioned big hole in it).  Then
again, how long have bracket mounts been around?  Is 1981 too early?
4) You'll have to run all new control cables, and make a hole somewhere for
them (and the fuel lines) to connect to your outboard.

Now it's my turn to ask a question:

Why on earth do you want to do this?  What do you hope to gain by it?  This
looks like an awfully expensive proposition to me.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Cruis'N Carry Outboard
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:36:57 GMT

In article <306@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill
Gardner) writes:
|> I have a ten year old version of the above outboard which needs some
|> serious
|> maintenance.  Would anyone have the address of the manufacture or a
|> supply
|> source for parts. Are they still in business?
|> 
|> 
|> 


If you need engine maintenence and are not sure what needs to be done, 
you might try taking the motor
into someplace where they fix similar air cooled engines.

Chain saw repair places can sometimes provide the necessary
expertise to dignose what's wrong.  Depends how mechanically
inclined the mechanic is.  But its a good place to start.

Since you now have the address of Cruise N' Carry, you can
get the parts through them to give to the mechanic.  

(If you plan to do the repairs yourself, please ignore this post.)

-Keith
From: erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:16:33 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Oct4.140823.27090@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
|> So my related question is this: I want to learn the lights properly, and
|> straight memorization has never been a favorite of mine.
Try to get hold of this book - a self-teaching text consisting of hundreds of
pictures of navigational situations with questions about them (and
answers on the next page):
A seaman's guide to the rule of the road
Morgans Technical Books Ltd
P.O.Box 5, Wotton-under-Edge, Gloucestershire GL12 7BY, England
Price \pounds9.95
ISBN 0-948254-00-9
the latest edition that I know about is the 5th; it gets revised quite
frequently, apparently.

It's excellent for learning, and it would also give you some ideas for
your proposed program.

    John Wexler
    Edinburgh

P.S. If you noticed that I was wrong about the towed vessel in my
previous posting, don't blame the Seaman's Guide.  The book has all the
right details; I just got them confused a bit. The towed vessel should
show sidelights, not white lights, unless it is "inconspicuous, partly
submerged" in which case it should have a white light both fore and aft.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: chatzi@beauty.asd.sgi.com (Chatzigianis Tony)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Abusing MAYDAY & ch 16
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:56:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.asd.sgi.com


	Yesterday, on my way back to my marina (Brisbane, Bay area) I heard this guy calling
	"MAYDAY,MAYDAY,MAYDAY, HELP US NOW RIGHT NOW". The coast guard got in there and kept
	asking the guy what is the nature of the distress, only to get the same reply, without
	a boat name. He eventually gave his location: Oyster point. I immediately turned my head
	just in time to see the flare from a boat 3-4 miles away from me.
	I notified the coast guard and went to help them. They kept saying MAYDAY we're crashing
	to the rocks (rocks were a few miles away).
	Another boat got there first and tow them in. On my way back I saw the 41 footer from the 
	coast guard approaching. No one was hurt on the boat, they just couldn't get their motor
	going, and didn't want to bother raising their sails on the 3-4 mph wind.
	I've been sailing for under a year and have been taking classes from the USPS, and may be
	I am too conservative and naive still. But, I sure hope they fine this guy, for causing
	so much havoc for nothing. On the other hand if he really doesn't know how and when to
	use channel 16 and mayday, then we really need to have madatory licences and classes for
	everyone who goes out there and has a radio. OVER.
	
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From: Paul.Saltzman@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Paul Saltzman)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: sailing simulators
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 16:52:00 -0800

BC>From: clagett@ms.uky.edu (Bill Clagett)
BC>Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

BC>Does anyone have any information on any sailing simulators?  remember
BC>seeing ads for a commercial one several years ago.  I also see them
BC>mentioned in ads in the sailing magazines.  (I think North Sails puts
BC>one out.)  If anyone has any comments on sailing simulators of any
BC>type, commercial or public domain, I would be very interested.
Yes i have recently purchased from Criteria Instruments
                                   8532-n Ivanhoe
                                   Portland, Oregon 97203
                                   503-289-1225
there program called Fleetwise. The serris I have is tactician, it's
filled with graphics and questions on rules af seamanship and racing. I
enjoy it a feel it was worth the money. Give them a call, they have
others that range in interest. easy to talk to and have a bbs as well.
that no.# is 503-297-9073  sysop is John P. Laurin, give him my regards.
good sailing

BC>Thanks,
BC>Bill
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bill@ukpr.uky.edu


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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:35:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Knots, Bends and other tangles
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson) writes:

    The method I like best for tying a bowline I learned from my father-in-law.
    (remember: the rabbit comes out the hole, around the tree, and back down? :-)  )

     - lay the bitter end over the top of the line, forming the loop-to-be,
       from right to left, 
       with your right forefinger pointing to the end along the line.
          

And, what is more, you can tie it behind your back--and that always
upsets all the boy scouts around;-)

B.S! 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: Pollution at Lake Powell 
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:45:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.121044.59234@cc.usu.edu> hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch) writes:
>  Sorry for preaching
>to the converted but it was easier to take when pollution was an "East coast
>problem".
>

Hey!. I think I resent that remark! (but I'm not sure.)



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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tomb@atp.serum.kodak.com (Tom "USA" Bullinger (x37419))
Subject: Step/Unstep mast?
Summary: Who can afford this???
Reply-To: tomb@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:16:23 GMT


Well, I just received my contract for winter storage for this year. The price
for stepping and unstepping the mast has more than doubled. Now I don't know
about the rest of you, but I really can't afford $120 for something that
appears this trivial. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I could
accomplish this task myself? I remember seeing an older couple unstepping
their mast before a trip up the canal. They seemed to use a 'V' shaped 
thing with the base straddling the mast base, but out at the rail, and the
halyard was attached to the tip of the V. It then appeared as if they
just lowered the whole mast by winch. Has anyone ever seen this done? Care
to fill in some details? Could I make or purchase a setup like this for less
than $120? It seems to me that a 24' boat with a ~30' mast outta be managable.
Thanks for your help and excellent advice!
	tomb..


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From: lastra@betelguese.cs.unc.edu (Anselmo Lastra)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Messing About the Chesapeake
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:12:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

The Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum on the Eastern shore is a good place
to visit if you're interested in the maritime history of that area. They
have a good collection of local boats. Two of the boats, a skipjack and
an old powerboat take people out, but I don't know what the rules or
hours are. I spent a lot of time poking around in their library.
From: dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker )
Subject: Annapolis boat show 
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:29:01 GMT


 
	I am planning on attending the Annapolis Show on October 9, 10 and 11.
	While I'm in the area, I'd also like to check out some used stuff 
	(boats.) I attended the show last year (my first time) and was 
	disappointed that there were few, if any, used boats on display. 
	I guess with the limited dock space, the new boats have dibs.
 
	I was wondering if anybody could supply me with a few names and 
	addresses of some reputable brokerage yards in the Annapolis (or 
	close by) area? I've seen some listings of Annapolis yards in the 
	back of Sail magazine-I was just wondering if there were others 
	around that would be worth visiting. Any suggestions would be much 
	appreciated. E-mail would be fine, also.
 
						Dave
		

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Keywords: Ouch
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:51:37 GMT


  You forgot all the smileys( ;) ) for this one.

  Or maybe you better get a new pair of glasses( not so rose colored?...
 
  Or maybe adjust your bilge blower to go on a LITTLE more regularly...

  ;)! 

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