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From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Re: licensing (long) (was: Re: Recent live-rock boom...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:27:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr8.155722.8402@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> tsuit@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Tom Suit) writes:
>  note this: wolves eat deer...but with the presence of civilization
>  there are too few wolves. There is also lots more grass, thus the
>  deer population skyrockets. Since all this grassland (fields, lawns,
>  whatever) replaces forests, in the winter there is less forest per
>  deer. Deer survive the winter by eating bark and very small branches.

And my garden during the summer. And my perennials during the winter.
And run into my Saab (twice, first time the damn car was 6 months old.)

>  The end result is that very quickly the population gets too big and
>  they starve during the winter. They also become road hazards. People
>  get killed by deer in deer/car accidents. Hunters replace the natural
>  predators in controlling the deer population. Even with hunters, there
>  are far more deer in North America than there were before the arrival
>  of Europeans.

Actually, in NJ, the whitetail was almost extinct at the turn of the
century, but unfortunately they've made a rebound. What's common now
is that hunting pressures have lead to many smaller deer that reproduce
faster.

Face it. They're at the top of the food chain, their only natural enemies
these days is the automobile. Amusingly, there is an annual 2 day deer hunt at
the Great Swamp National wildlife refuge, and the anti-hunting
types line the roads with signs protesting the hunt. Many times said
demonstrators have been seen wearing fur coats and other animal-skin clothing...
>
>  On the same note, wild pigs in Hawaii are breeding out of control
>  since they have no natural predators. They eat most vegetation which
>  is leading to massive erosion of top soil which is causing lots
>  of silt to get washed onto the reefs. Thus the reefs are dying.

Someone notify the Audubon society! 
>  Since hunting is illegal in Hawaii, rather than get money from people
>  who would be happy to kill the pigs, the government is paying rangers
>  to kill the pigs. Where is the logic to that?

It's not supposed to be logical - it's the GOVERNMENT.
>
>Tom Suit
>
Matt the exasperated
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From: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Erno Pena)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Looking for Plant Tank articles...
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:50:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr13.025022.7246
Reply-To: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I think I'm now hooked to plant tanks ever since I saw George Booth's  
Aquarium Tour Tape and read the book _The Optimum Aquarium_. I'm planning to  
get this used 40 gallon breeder tank and create my own underwater jungle.

I'm wondering if anyone out here has a collection of old articles from  
rec/sci/alt.aquaria dealing with setting up a plant tank. I already have  
George Booth's SST update in PostScript, so that won't be necessary. I'd  
appreciate it if someone could email those articles to me or possibly even  
post it. I'd rather read about real experiences from people who actually have  
tanks running, than read theory from a book.

Thanks

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From: shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: How many aquarists in the U.S. or the world?
Keywords: aquarists, U.S. world
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:59:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:
>   I noticed that too.  No one I know has more then 20 fishs.  So I
>guess some wacko out there must have a few thousands to make up for
>us lackers.
>
>-Anthony

I believe there's a law that specifies all killifish keepers must 
maintain a minimum fish count of at least 100 adult fish and 100 
fry.  The penalty for not maintaining these levels is tying the
offender to a chair and having Oleg chant the last one thousand 
"Splashing Around With Sally" articles to you, to the tune of "Row
your boat".
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From: laurence@cco.caltech.edu (Dustin Lee Laurence)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: The aquaria classifieds (was Re: It must be that time of year...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:46:02 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:

>   I am not an expert on coral/anenome spawning, but its possible that your
>  anenome is male. Some species are only one sex and require a member of the
>  opposite sex for a completed spawning. So does anyone have a female anenome
>  for Gregs male ?

> Steve Tyree - Practicing Reef Breeder

SGCM (Single Green Carpet Male) seeks SGCF for romance, offspring.
Good site in mdrn reef tank with MH lighting, reliable reefkeeper.
Hosting good pair of clownfish, food shared regularly.  20cm across.
Send picture, water sample please.  No Ritteri.

Oh, right.  :) :)

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From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Subject: Re: [F] Floating plants
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:16:35 GMT
Summary: I grew hyacinth, once.

In article <1992Apr5.112954.16394@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us> oleg@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <92094.114900UD005565@NDSUVM1.BITNET> UD005565@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>>Water hyacins have fantastic rootr systems. 
>
>...And fantasic appetites for nutrients.  The only way I was able to get mine
>to thrive was to add a bunch of marine macro-algae nutrients now and then
>(that's what was handy at the time and it was not going to harm the fish...)
>They did not fare too well through the winter, though.  

I had hyacinth's indoors. Still do, but am neglecting them, now.
I started out with like a 4" squar clump in a 10 gallon tank that was below
2 shop-lites, each equipped with a PL/AQ and an agro light. Light was
on about 12 hours/day. I put in the biweekly allotment (however many mls that
was) of Ferroplant and Wimex trace elements every day, so something like
14 times the recommended dose. Not surprisingly, it did pretty well, it
completely covered the surface of the tank, and basically filled the body of the
tank with roots, it even outcompeted the duckweed, eventually. Never any
algae in this tank, and the 2 tinfoil barbs + killies and other stuff that
were in there did fine with no water changes or filter. I fed them every
so often, never vacuumed the gravel. In the 6 months or so I played with
this the tinfoil barbs got to be like 3-4" across, not counting tails.
I occasionally dumped in some RO water to make up for evaporation.
I never got the hyacinth to flower and sort of gave up -
it's now floating in a big tank of cichlasomas where I put the normal
dose of ferroplant and trace elements in on the normal schedule. It's still
alive, but barely  and only occasionally sends up a plantlet.

My theory is if you really pump up this plant with 'plant steroids' and
much much light, it makes an excellent filter, but it takes quite a lot
of plant food.
I've tried this plant with 'only' 4 wpg of the same light mix, doesn't
do as well - it really did like the 16 wpg it was getting.
>
>>I seem to recall that their blossums had a nice fragrance.
>
>Nope.  At least not on my plants.  A pretty flower, but no scent.
The one's I've seen blooming (outdoors only), no fragrance. They're
much easier to grow outdoors - a friend who spawned hundreds
of paradise fish in an 8' kiddie pool used just tetra pond fertilizer
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From: norlin@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Norman Lin)
Subject: How to "vacuum" gravel?
Summary: How to "vacuum" gravel used with an undergravel filter?
Keywords: gravel, UGF, filter
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:36:56 GMT

I'm relatively new to fish-keeping (2 months), and am seeking advice on
my undergravel filter.  I finally managed to hunt down the *.aquaria
FAQ's, and read the following passage:

> UNDERGRAVEL FILTERS (UGF)
> [...]
> The gravel
> becomes the filter media for both mechanical and biological
> filtration.  This means that the gravel should be "vacuumed" every
> once in a while.  As the gravel becomes clogged, water bypasses the
> clogged areas, and these become sites for unhealthy bacterial
> activity.

What exactly is meant by "vacuum" the gravel?  Also, about how much gravel
should I have in the tank?  I bought the entire assembly -- tank, filter,
and gravel -- as a package at Wal-Mart, but the amount of gravel
included was barely enough to cover the UGF plate.  Should I have more,
since it's the gravel that's doing the filtration?  Would this mean I could
change the water less frequently?  Currently I have to take the whole
thing apart every 3 weeks because after that point the scum has 
accumulated beneath the UGF plate to such an extent that it starts to
cloud the water, and I have to pull the UGF plate out and wash out the
refuse.

Thanks for any advice.

Norman Lin
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From: gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: help!...goldfish in fishbowl
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:43:35 GMT
Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate

In article <53018@mimsy.umd.edu>, gdrew@cs.umd.edu (Greg Drew) writes:

> PS  Take whatever the guys at the pet shop say with a grain of salt unless you
> can find someone who is both very knowledgable and who cares more about the
> health of your fish than his profit.  I have lost both fish and money by
> taking what I was told on blind faith instead of at least checking it with at
> least one book.

Yeah these petshop people are something..

d.


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From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (D Keith Higgs)
Subject: Feeding Oscars
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:57:11 GMT


A guy I worked for when I was paying my own way through school kept Oscars.  He
also kept several varieties of small critters ranging from feeder goldfish and 
crickets to small lab mice to feed them.  At parties he would hold something 
about a foot above the tank (usually a fish or a mouse) and his Oscars would 
come leaping from the tank and take it from his fingers!  Only once did I ever
see him get one of those "stomachs with teeth" caught on a finger!

Keith
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From: jason@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Jason Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: How many aquarists in the U.S. or the world?
Keywords: aquarists, U.S. world
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:08:05 GMT

uhubb@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) writes:
>	Does anyone know approximately how many aquarists there are in the
>	U.S. or the world?  Freshwater and marine.

Well, according, once again, to the now infamous article in Audubon:

"The United States is the world's largest consumer of tropical fish.  In
1986, according to an unpublished report by TRAFFIC(USA)--the American branch
of the World Wildlife Fund that tracks international trade in plants in animals-
the country had an estimated 10 million hobbyists, whose tanks held 2 to 3
billion fish.  Estimated industry sales here make up $1.6 billion of the 
$4 billion spent on the aquarium trade worldwide.  And the fastest-growing
segment of the industry is the minireef.......".  It goes on to say that
currently 15% of the industry is in saltwater aquariums, as compared to
5% only 5 years ago.

I am a little skeptical of the 200 to 300 fish average per hobbyist implied
by the above numbers.  Could that be right?



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From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (D Keith Higgs)
Subject: Re: Biological Filtration
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:07:20 GMT

The response below is great except I have yet to see reported anywhere that
a protein skimmer, a.k.a. foam fractionator will work in a freswater setup.  
The problem is that a specific gravity of 1 (among other things re: the
chemical makeup) does not support formation of small enough bubbles to be
effective for foam fractionation.  For a marine tank these things are 
definitely an excellent way to go.  I was able to monitor my water for over
4 months in an experiment to see how long I could go without the nitrate level 
going up to a dangerous level for my inverts!

In article <ku91b4INNnhj@cronkite> greg@enterprise.Central.Sun.COM (Greg George
  Area SSE - Midwest Area) writes:
+>Also, the article details the cycle ammonia --> nitrite --> nitrate, which
+>I assume is the accomplished hobbyist's major reason for water changes.
+>The nitrates build up.  Algae and other plants eat nitrates, no?
+
+Actually plants and algae eat nitrates, but not to the extent that
+it will greatly impact your tank. You would need a great deal of
+plant life to keep up with a well stocked tank. I have found that
+a good protein skimmer run 1-2 times a week keeps the nitrate level
+down to < 5 ppm. Being the finicky guy that I am, I test the water
+twice a week or so. When the nitrate levels reach ~ 30ppm, I start up
+my protein skimmer and let it run for 12 hours. It is amazing how much
+liquid is pulled out of the water.
+
+greg
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From: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Erno Pena)
Subject: Another FAQ supplement....
Reply-To: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:22:27 GMT

I had another idea for a supplement to the FAQ. Because fish magazines fail  
to do any comparative surveys of various brands of aquarium equipment, I  
thought it might be productive to conduct an Internet-wide survey of the  
brands of aquarium equipment that people actually use, and the brands they  
think is the best. Then, compile the results into a list of most popular and  
most recommended equipment. This might prove to be a better starting point  
for those who are shopping for new equipment than flipping throught the  
magazines and rather blindly choosing a reasonably priced product. I know  
this would help a lot of people, especially me.

So, what do you think?

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From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Subject: Re: Culturing pond organisms.
Keywords: culture, daphnia, grammarus, cyclops
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 19:00:35 GMT

In <18500@smoke.brl.mil> moss@brl.mil (Gary S. Moss <moss>) writes:

>Hi,
>	A visit down to the local park last weekend revealed a pretty good
>source for daphnia, grammarus and cyclops.  I have a copy of "The Encylocedia
>of Live Foods", but thought I might start a discussion of favorite culturing
>recipes for these organisms.  I am less interested in recipes that call for
>animal manures unless you can use processed cow manure that you buy at the
>hardware store.  I am particularly interested in factors like container size,
>aeration/filtration required, lighting and temperature and of course food.

>	So far the only thing I culture successfully is microworms (recipe
>available), but there relatively easy I think.

>Thanks for any info,
>-Gary

Except for brine shrimp, I don't grow live food. But the Daleco
Master Breeder's Catalog has a fairly large amount of information
about culturing and raising a lot of these critters. It looks like
good stuff, and they sell starter cultures and food, too. I think
it costs $2.50, but they sent me one free when I placed my first order.
They have treated me pretty well in the past and have fast service. 
It's a very nice catalog.
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From: rosentha@bldrdoc.gov (Peter Rosenthal 303-497-5844)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: wonderlights
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:26:35 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology


IaM Collecting info on Wonderlights (self balasted mercury
vapor lamps) before I post  much on them.

Some random observations and info:

yOU can get an information packet on them from the Public
Service Lamp Corporation.  They are located in New York City.
I got their phone number from information.  I will post it
tomorow probably.

The information packet includes a plot of spectral output,
figures showing where plants should be placed relative to
the bulb (distance from center, distance from bulb, etc.)

The info does not include lumen output.  

I tried to look them up in the lighting engineers handbook
at our technical library yesterday.  There were three R-40
self ballasted 160 Watt bulbs listed in a table, but
no Wonderlight.  There was one by Westron, Ge and I
can't remember what.  They quote about 1900 Lumens output
but I'm not sure I believe it.  These suckers are bright.

A 40 Watt fluorescent supposedly puts out a few thousand lumens.


The lumen output is not necessarily a useful benchmark for
horticultural lights because it weighs the useless green
light very heavily.  

My Tomato seedlings are growing extremely quickly under them.

I looked at the light diffracted off a CD and could see
a lot of blue, red and far red.  Some green too.

I retract my earlier statement about efficiency.  I don't
know how they compare to fluorescents.  Externally ballasted
mercury vapor bulbs are more efficient than fluorescents, but
these are different animals

Peter Rosenthal

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From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: [M] Cheap Calcium?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:59:10 GMT

In article <1924@ra.nrl.navy.mil> tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.034230.19278@cco.caltech.edu> laurence@cco.caltech.edu (Dustin Lee Laurence) writes:
>>Of course.  Like everything else in the trade, this is a Luxury Item at
>>Luxury prices.  I bought 500g of CaCl2 * 2(H20) for $8.00 US.  It'll
>
>  So did I.  I bought a kilo of CaCl2, a kilo of CaOH, .5 kilo of Sodium
>Carbonate, and 1 kilo of Sodium BiCarb.  The DEA is probably on my back
>already, all those white powder.

I know I always get nervous when I get out my graduated cylinders and 
syringes (test kits) and CaOH2 powder and start doing fish things...I
often expect the door to be broken down some night after someone reports
me as a drug dealer/user <50% G>

What grade of CaCl2 did you two purchase?  What are the impurity 
levels?

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From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: It must be that time of year-Anemone spawning?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: venus.13APR199211223909
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <13APR199210082670@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>, fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov
(Greg Smith) writes... 

Lets try this post again.  It appears the server lost my previous message.

Last nigh a large anemone in my 125 gallon reef tank began releasing a milky
substance into the water.  It released a stream of a white substance which would
dissolve in the water after trickling down the anemone.  It did this about every
10 to fifteen minutes or so.  The spawn began at around 9:30 pm and was still
occuring at 1230 when I quit watching.  The aquarium lights went off at 11:00.
The water was so milky that I could not see the back wall of the tank.  AS far
as I could tell the substance released was not eggs.  I made no effort to 
collect anything.  I did however manage to photograph some of the releases.  I
hope they come out.  This morning the water was clear and the anemone appeared
normal.
From: gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: help!...goldfish in fishbowl
Keywords: fish torture, early death, naive
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:41:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate

> No matter what, it's still rather cruel to keep bettas in fish bowl.  Just bec
> ause they CAN survive in them is no reason to make them do so.  After all, I'm 
> sure most of the people on the net can survive in really tiny rooms with bad po
> llution (like my dorm room), but there's no reason to force your pets to do the
> same thing.  The best advice is to totally abolish fishbowls.  Unless you happ
> en to have the time to kill to change the water every hour or so.
> 
> Vortex
> -- 

I do not seem to understand this thing. Some people post saying Bettas are
natural resident of mud holes. And some other SPCA type would decry the idea
of Bettas in a bowl. Agreed a betta might have more freedom in a bigger tank
(mine is in 10 gal) and looks nicer for sure. But why should it br cruel to
put it in a small bowl if that is their natural habitat. Is it right to
judge other's feeling of comfort or discomfort in term of ours ???? 

comments ?

d.


ps: These days there seem to be a tendency to generalize our feelings
and preferences to every animate or inanimate object on this planet.
Perhaps that is what keeps all these zillions of interests groups alive.
Many species are designed to exist in tough conditions and may not
necessarily find it relaxing to soak in a bubble bath with a glass
of champagne..(sorry, got sidetracked)
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