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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: NFC/AFC superiority
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.182923.4047@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>Moreover, Walsh was in charge of the whole Niner operation, Parcells
>had George Young as GM, Gibbs had Beathard.  These were probably the
>best in the business.  Who was a great GM in the AFC over the last
>decade?  
I was about to say Al Davis, until you saw your "senile" characterization.

>It just looks like the best teams are the ones that are being run very
>efficiently by very capable GM's and coaches.  For some reason, these
>happen to be in the NFC.  Maybe it's the ownership structure.  Maybe
>it's because so many AFC teams were created by charismatic mavericks
>who are now either dead (and their sons are running the business) or
>over the hill.
For some reasons, these successful GMs also believe in smash mouth 
football. They believe in building an overpowering OL and a strong
defense. Must be the mentality of the traditionalist (George Young
is a typical example from the old school). Of course, once all these
fall into places and your passing game clicks, Boom! the championship
comes.

On the other hand, the Buffalos, the Denvers, the Miamis never learned.
They try to win the SBs with their million $ QBs and fly-weight OL/DL.
Must be the same philosophy from the old AFL days.
When was the last time the AFC had a defense that really scared people?
Got to be the gang of Howie, Hendricks, Alzado, Hayes and
Haynes of the early 80s.

In the AFC, the closes resemblences of NFC football should be the
Chiefs, yet their QBs sucked. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Patriot Fans, Good News!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:29:05 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Nov16.162505@crispus.inmet> johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.185006.6231@osf.org> bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:

>>>Do I detect a patriot woof here or what? Well, ok, he is right about the Pat 

Not! The poster to whom I was responding wrote this!
>
>am i the only one on the net who hates the term woof and vomits at all of
>the traffic surrounding woofing theorems?  i have 'woof' in my kill file,
>but of course that doesn't account for it showing up in the text of articles
>i do want to read.

Oh, I don't know. More often than not, Oliver's W*ofing Theorem seems valid.

>
>>Well, well, well, whaddya know! The Pats, who've played hard all year and not
>>given up, finally won one. Yup, they saddled up the Colts and took 'em for
>>a ride. Yaaaaahhhhooooooo!
>>
>>Patriots 34
>>Geldings 31
>
>first off, the score listed here is wrong.

Fussy, fussy, fussy. I was close, though! And it was a three-point game, at
least.

>
>patriots 37
>colts	 34ot
>
>second, since i'm here, i am a pats fan, but i'd be hard pressed to say they
>saddled up the colts and took them for a ride.  the defense got a couple of
>breaks, and did end up hitting george pretty hard, and the offense played
>consistently throughout the game, and a lot of hard work and determination
>(plus a little unexpected leadership from scott zolak on the two last-minute
>drives) paid off.  i hope they can keep up the hard work in weeks to come,
>even when it doesn't seem like it's paying off, because later on, it will.

I think it's pretty fair to respond with a little tweak like "saddled up the
Colts" in response to some premature Colts w*ofing (r.s.f.p = rec.sport.football.pro, not rec.sport.football.polite). Anyway, I don't think we Pats fans oughta
squabble too much in public, just sit back and enjoy the good feelings from
their amazin' win, and hope they keep it going Sunday vs. the Jets!

Last night, on Channel 4's Sports News, Bob Lobel, after having to report a
nightmarish Bruins loss, (not to mention having suffered through consecutive
losses by media-darling BC Eagles, a disastrous Red Sox Season, and a most
unpromising start for the Celtics) offered these welcome (though perhaps a bit
tongue-in-cheek) words: "Thank God for the Patriots!" Amen, Bob!


Bruce Smith



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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:13:26 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <4f2RQsu00iV08_B5gB@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Were it not for Kelly's good passing, the Bills strong defensive work,
>Christie's FGs, Thomas's running for 154 yards, Bruce Smith, Daryl
>Talley, Cornelius Bennett,  Andre Reed, James Lofton, Don Beebe, Keith
>McKeller, Metzelaars, Kenneth Davis and maybe a couple of other players
>- Buffalo would have gotten killed.  I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU STUPID BUFFALO
>FANS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

Just a note... As I remember, Thomas was shut down pretty effectively in
the running game.  He had something like 154 yards of TOTAL offense, much
of it coming from pass receptions..  
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Seaguppies Only Scoring 5.9 a Game!  (was Re: Current standings)REFRESH
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:52:30 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Nov20.010159.30742@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes:
>>Seattle Seahawks      1  9  0  .100  59 194 0-4    1-5    1-6    0-3    0-4
>                                     ^^^^
> Can you believe this?  I heard a really pathetic stat on sunday. . . The
> seahawks have punted more times than they have scored points.  71 punts, 59
> points.

Who is the all-time NFL leader in fewest points per game in a season?  The
Seaguppies are making a good run at it--5.9 points per game!
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:33:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Nov.18.14.12.46.1992.17675@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:

> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
> 
> >In article <Nov.18.09.46.33.1992.1539@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> 
> >> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> >> >In article <Nov.17.14.37.30.1992.7002@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> >> Keep your rings, as long as we finish fourth in the division and
> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> the GIANTS are FIFTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Now this is a REAL EAGLES FAN - because that's all eagles fans can
> >ever hope for. I wouldn't be surprised to see the eagles finish 4th.
> Last time I looked fourth was better than fifth, especially when
> fifth is last.

Yeah, you got that right - 4th is better than 5th.....but SO WHAT?
Neither is going to get a team into the playoffs, so who cares? 

Sounds like you've already conceded 4th for the eagles. Course, I
can't blame ya. They are pathetic, year in, year out. Yes, they are
consistent ------------------ LOSERS!!!!!!!

> It is simple.  I hate the Giants.  If the Eagles don't win the
> division, then I would like to see Dallas win the division.
> Next choice, Phoenix, then Washington.

This Giants fan could care less who wins the NFC East. He knows the
Giants stink this season, but they'll be back. I hate the eagles. the
eagles seem to have the Giants number, the way the Giants have the
Redskins number. But the eagles haven't proven anything in 10 years,
even though they have as much, if not more talent, than 80% of the
teams in the NFL. In short, they suck. And when they ain't sucking,
they choke. They suck and choke.......

> Unlike Giants fans who cheer for the challenger who plays the
> winner of their division.  Like all the pigs rooting for Detroit
> against Dallas last year.  Little babies got knocked out early so
> if we can't be happy why should anybody else.  Talk about no respect
> for the other teams in the division.   Chumps! 

Great post, Ken..........






Mark
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Giants & Eagles: Can music make a difference?
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Med

During television commercial breaks (when all you TV watchers are getting
another beer from the frig), the people in the stadium watch the players stand
around while the Meadowlands pipes in some of the worst music you could
imagine.

I never really paid much attention to it, but it was very interesting on
Sunday.

When Philly interecepted the Hoss pass and ran it back for a TD (to make it
20-13), during that commercial break they played very upbeat rock piece (??)
and I was watching the Philly players "dancing" on the field and getting pumped
up.

Conversely, late in the game after the Giants scored (to make it 40-27) and
then held the Eagles in their own end of the field, the Meadowlands then
decided to play the slow ballad "Beauty and the Beast". I know they want to get
in their advertising plug for Disney-on-ice, but it had such a calming affect
on the fans that it was noticeable.

Now I'm not saying that the music won or lost the game, only that it was very
interesting timing and the affect it had on the crowd. If I were in charge of
the music, I would play "Born to Run" when the Giants had things going and "Go
to sleep" when the opposition was on a roll.

What's the point of home field advantage if you can't get the fans going? Don't
settle down the home crowd during key points of the game and don't give the
opposition a rallying song.

Just giving a different perspective...
---
          Larry Simmons                        larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology        ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine   ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: Geis@spacvax.rice.edu ()
Subject: Re: Is Moon on IR?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:24:02 GMT

In article <By6LMI.8yv@encore.com>, jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa) wrote:
> 
> I heard that Moon was out for 3-6 weeks, but did the Oilers officially
> placed him on injured reserve?
> 
	Last I heard he was not - the minimum stay on IR is something like 4 weeks
(?), and Moon was hoping to be back before then...

Paul Geis @spacvax.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:30:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.233107.21318@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>martens@carp.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:

>>>When was the last time Green Bay was .500?
>>>When was the last time Green Bay was a Wild Card?
>>>When was the last time Green Bay was the division winner?
>>>When was the last time Green Bay was the NFC champion?
>>>When was the last time Green Bay was in the Super Bowl?

>>>It would seem every season is a screw up for "Da Pack."

>>Given that the Packers have done the last two more recently than
>>the Eagles, and that the Packers all-time won/lost is higher than
>>the Eagles', you don't have a leg to woof on.

>>IMHO this thread is getting pretty stupid, and those wanting to
>>continue it should take it to e-mail.

>   Or at least get thier facts straight...

Sorry about that.  I also got an e-mail correction (thanks!).
Anyhow, the Eagles did indeed win the NFC in '80 and then lose the
'81 Super Bowl to Oakland.

All-time standings (not counting '92 season):

Green Bay	480-408-37	.539
Philly		326-397-21	.452

Now, instead of arguing which of these franchises has had the
longest drought, lets just hope both can turn things around and
keep the Bears, Redskins, and Cowboys where I wish they'd stay (in
their respective basements).

Yes, as a Packer fan I am duty bound to hope the Bears lose every
week (imagine my despair the first time I saw McMahon and
thought, "Damn!  Maybe the Bears have a QB!  Naah."  But they did.
For awhile.)  But I grew up in Virginia, and instead of getting to
see good football on Sundays, we were forced to watch the Redskins
lose to whoever they happened to be playing.  The Redskins are
truly my least favorite team, so I think I have something in
common with at least a few Eagle fans.

My wife's a Redskin fan.  I'm still trying to figure out how that
happened. 

-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: rorry@cs.umd.edu (Ningda Rorry Li)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Houston Oilers Wk11
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:11:53 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM
Houston Oilers (6-4)

NEXT OPPONENT
Miami 

GAME SUMMARY

           Houston    Minnesota*
Pts        17         13
Rushing    25-127     22-74
Pass Att   30-40-1    9-28-0
Pass Yds   215        100
Fum Lost   3          1
Poss       36:54      23:06

PASSING
Moon       28-38-1-243 1P
Carlson    2-2-0-13

RUSHING
White      18-81 1T
Moon       7-46

RECEIVING
White      9-58
Givins     8-91 1T
Jeffires   6-49
Duncan     4-24
Harris     3-34

KICKING
Del Greco  2X F(30)

SACKS
Fuller     1
Jones      1

INTERCEPTIONS
(none)

INJURIES
Moon       (broke a bone in the upper left arm, out 3-6 weeks)

GAME SUMMARY
Warren Moon had a courageous game. (When was the last time he rushed for
almost 50 yards? ) The offense gave up 4 turnovers (3 fumbles, 1 INT) and
five sacks. The defense only give up two FGs (the Vikings' TD was the
result of a fumble return.)

NEWS ITEMS
-- Warren Moon has 30,120 career (NFL) passing yards, the 14th NFL player
   to pass 30,000.
-- Moon turns 36 on Wednesday.
-- Cody Carlson has started seven games (one since 1988) for the Oilers.

OTHER NOTES 
*= Home Team
P= Touchdown Pass Thrown
T= Touchdowns Scored
F= Field Goal Scored (number in parens is distance)
X= Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions,attempts,interceptions, TD passes

This posting follows the proposed format of the NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT.
Contact Jason Parker - jason@cray.com to sign-up and enter your
favorite team.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Ningda Rorry Li				Dept. of Computer Science
rorry@cs.umd.edu			The University of Maryland 
(O)301-405-2722   (H)301-345-2520	College Park, MD 20742
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steeler WRs
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:57:40 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <12NOV92.00343281@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> I wasn't implying that Pittsburgh doesn't have good recievers.

	Ok, he wasn't.

> I meant nothing more that they might trade Green for a decent WR.

	But he is now.  If this doesn't imply that they don't have good WRs,
then what does?

> I agree that Graham, Mills and Stone are fine for the offense,

What else do you use Wrs for?

> and I
> was also impressed with Davenport on Sunday. I look for Hoge to come
> out of the backfield now that Green is benched. Let's hope Cooper stays
> healthy!
> 
> Their remaining games against NFC teams will be a good gauge of where
> they stand in the league.
> 
> Bart

	Ok, I just want to say that if you trade Eric Green, get a pass rusher,
not an offensive player.  A WR would be useless at this point.  O'Donnell and
the rest of the O is young.  That Didio guy in the snow bowl looked like a good
reciever if he can stay healthy, Graham racked up respectable numbers early,
and Mills is adequate.  Stone, on the other hand is pathetic.  I would use this
guy as a return specialist and nothing else.  He can't catch a cold, much less
a football.  I think as Graham matures, he'll become a consitently good WR, and
Didio looks to have the makings of a super 3rd down guy.  Mills is tough to
read, but is still young so he could work out.  But the Steelers have 0 pass
rush.  Lloyd looked good last year, but the Steelers can't hit a QB this year
unless Woodson comes on a corner blitz, and you can't do that more than two or
three tiems a game.  I agree Green must go.  this is his second offense, and
if he gets a third, he'll be gone ofr life, though he can come back after a
year.
	This briungs up the NFL's drug policy.  Is it me, or is it SUPER
lenient?  1st offense, and all you have to do is attend rehab.  Ooooo!
second offense, and you attend rehab again, and are out for, GASP, 6 whole
games!!!  Oh no!!!  Players miss more than that due to injury!!!  Then, a third
time, a sure sign that you are REALLY hooked, and what happens?  You get banned
for life.  Course, you can come back from life after a year.  I think the NFL
needs to get serious about drugs, and steroids.  I'd say ANYONE found with
either in the blood stream gets a year supension +rehab.  2nd time, he's out,
no coming back.
	-Skins fan who fell over laughing when Dexter Manley was let back in.
From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: I THINK YOU HEAR ME KNOCKING AND I THINK I'M COMING IN...
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:45:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

LAST CHANCE!!!!!

JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:

WHAT:  Election.

WHAT FOR:  The top BUSTS and top STEALS in the NFL draft in recent years.

RULES:  1)  Only 3 votes for BUSTS and 3 votes for STEALS maximum.

        2)  Limit draft picks to 1980-->1992 only.  SORRY OLD-TIMERS!

        3)  E-mail only....no posts!

        4)  Reply by Friday, November 20th.  

Results will be tabulated and posted Saturday, November 21st.  
See you at the polls!

Nathan

nahst6+@pitt.edu


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: intentional grounding (Re: Bills vs. Dolphins)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:34:54 GMT

In article <Bxvu45.2GJ@news.iastate.edu> jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:
>In article <97999@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
>writes:
>
>>And my personal favorite, Kelly is about to be sacked by Coleman, he tosses
>>the ball away.  I'm still waiting for that intentional grounding call.
>
>Kelly threw the ball towards an eligible reciever and the ball landed at
>the reciever's feet. Why should this have been intentional grounding? Just
>because the three goofballs said it should be? I know the ruling says
>something about throwing the ball to avoid a sack, but I think the spirit of
>the rule intends to prevent qb's from throwing the ball to an area where no
>recievers are present just to avoid being sacked. Kelly picked out a receiver
>and threw the ball at him.

Ummm... No. It was intentional grounding. I think the spirit of the
rule intends to prevent qb's from throwing the ball away when they are
going to get sacked. kelly accidently chunked that ball close to
someone. But I also think that blaming a loss on one play or bad call
is ridiculous. There were a dozen opportunities for the Fins to win
this one and they couldn't make anything happen after the half. I
really hate to see the Fins ahead at the half. They don't have the
killer instinct the Hurricanes do. I feel much better when they are
losing at the half. Then they seem to have some spirit instead of  a
need to nap and always do better. 


Tony (go houston) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Bet III
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:22:27 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <92324.090608JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu>, JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> William Hargreaves from England would like to take the NFC.  He asked me to
> post it for him because his computer center does not allow people to post.

Ah well....that defeats the purpose of THE BET III, doesn't it?  :-)

P.S. I got him anyway.....current roster to be posted later.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:29:08 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Nov11.141555.5585@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:
> In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> 
> 
> Worst Moves(IMO):
> 
> Bears giving up Wilber Marshall
> Colts giving up John Elway
 
Browns giving up Earnest Byner
San Diego giving a first round pick to Wash for a nobody
Minnesota acquiring Herschel Walker
> -- 
> Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
> Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.

The list goes on and on...
	-Skins fan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:15:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.140326.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>=============================================================================
>> The NINERS were the only team with a winning record to WIN 
>> yesterday. YES! Thank you football GODS. :-)
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>>   ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>> "I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
>> I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
>
>    Well, lets see, I guess you don't consider the Oilers, Kansas City, 
>Pittsburg and Denver as teams in the NFL. Like I said before, what color
>is the sky in your world, John?   
>                                    -doug THE dolfan-
>

Oops, that is not what I meant to say. The Niners were the only
NFC team, with a winning record to win yesterday. Besides,
I think you know what I meant? :-)
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck