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From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (xyz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NEWS: Temple for Kushboo in Tiruchi
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:46:49 GMT
Organization: Human Genome Center at LBL
Distribution: world
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In article <1h5bgqINNj21@nyquist.usc.edu>, shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr.
Shivanan Bhajekar) writes:
|> In article <1h50s1INN2kh@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay
Fafat) writes:
|> >Kathivaran writes:
|> >> irukkara koyilkaLLukkE vazhi illama seerazhinthu pOkindrana!
|> >> pORa pOkka paatha intha cinemaap payaluvala ellam
|> >> kadavuL aayiruvaanuga! intha mathiri vEdhaththilum
|> >
|> >	Aae baba, mala kahi samjal asa liv ki, aan? Kay yek shabd kalla nay
|> 
|> 		kalnya sarkha hota kay? Aandu Goondu bhashet bolnara na to!
|> 		Shivanand Bhajekar

	Ae, Ae Bhajyaa !! Asa ka boltose ?? Tula kalli naahee tar sarvaan-na 
	kalnya saarkhi kaahi navhoti ka ?? Aaapli bhaashaa aaplyaalaa jitki 
	sundar vaat-te, tyaanchi bhaasha tyaan-na pan asheech vaatel. Asa 
	'aandu goondu' bolu nako re baabaa !!  :-)   :)

	(Kathiravan-ni nantar Ingraji madhey translate kela hota.)

	Prem! Bhaarat vaasi; Nagpurvaasi, pun maratha naahi !! 
        ================================================================ 
	Translation:
	    Everyone's language is precious to him/her-self.
	    (Kat had translated it into the lingua angla later.)
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Temple for Kushboo in Tiruchi
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:16:17 GMT

In <1992Dec21.071252.19046@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:


>    I heard that a temple for Kushboo is under construction
>in Tiruchi. This temple, called `Kushambigal Devalayam', for
>the actress Kushboo,  will be completed in January, according
>to the trustees of the temple..
 irukkara koyilkaLLukkE vazhi illama seerazhinthu pOkindrana!
 pORa pOkka paatha intha cinemaap payaluvala ellam
 kadavuL aayiruvaanuga! intha mathiri vEdhaththilum
 konjum maaththi athiga saamikaLai sErkka vENdi varum.
 athaiyum senjuruvaanugaa. 
  cinemaap payalukalai naadu kadathinaa, naadu uruppatrum!
>    This, I think, is the first time, the movie culture in
>Tamilnadu is building temples to movie-stars while they are
>alive. ( The temple for M.G.R. in Perambur, Madras, was built
>after his death. )

>-- 
>pax vobiscum,
>sundara pandian
>ah724@yfn.ysu.edu
  naan MGR payalukku Endaa koyil kattaraanugannu kEttEn oruvaridam.
  avar sonnar,

  athu koyil illai, aalayam thaan.
  koyil enbathum aalayam enpathum ondRallavO endREn.

  avar sonnaar, 

              koyil enpathu aalayam!
             aalayam enpathu koyilaakaathu!
      

I just want to know if they do poosai in MGR aalayam or temple.

           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Interpreting the Thiruppaavai
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:51:12 GMT

Dr. Selvakumar had posted an interesting philosophical 
interpretation to one of the Thiruppaavai verses ("undhu
madhakaLiRRan"). I vaguely remember having heard in a
"kathaa kalatchEbam" when I was a child, an interpretation
linking a few of the Thiruppaavai verses to the lives of
some of the Aazhwaars. Can somebody elaborate?

Thanks,
Aravind.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: venkat@menudo.uh.edu (affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Hinduism A to Z: A primer on Hindu thought and ideals.
Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:08:11 -0600
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu

 I posted this article in alt.hindu and crossposted to SCT. But in
SCT it hasn't come. So, reposting separately.

To: alt-hindu@uunet.UU.NET
From: gb29+@andrew.cmu.edu (Guntur N Balaji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Katha Kaalakshebam incident...
Date: 28 Dec 92 07:38:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfDniei00XsF8IXXRG
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hi folks,

This is an interesting incident I remember having read long ago.
( So long ago that I was still in my arai-nijaar ! ) It was about
an evening in British occupied Madras.

  It was a warm evening in Madras.  Twilight had descended on the
city.  People had converged to the Kaalakshebam pandal to listen
to Kanda puraanam, the topic of that day's kaalakshebam.  The
Pauraanigar was story-telling in a melodious, singsong voice,
punctuating his story with nice verses sung out to the accompaniment
of violin and mridangam. The entire crowd was listening attentively,
meditating upon Lord MurugA's bravery, his romantic escapades with
Valli and so on.  There was a hushed silence pervading the whole
pandal, and the well modulated voice of the Pauraanigar was the only
sound to be heard.

  As time passed, a British official came along on his horse with his
dvi-baashee ( dual-lingusit ! ) along.  He stood at the edge of the
Pandal and watched at the mesmerised crowd.  He couldnt understand how
the Pauraanigar could hold such a gathering speechless with his story.
He was astounded.  He called his dvi-baashee and said, " I am amazed at
with what I see.  How can the story-teller weave such a magic with his
words ?".  The proud dvi-baashee replied, " Well, the pauraanigar can
make everybody talk at the sametime too and all of them would be saying
the same words !" This was something the Britisher couldnt understand.
Everybody say the same words ? At the same time ? Not a chance !
"I bet that it is impossible ", said the Official.  The dvi-baashee
gave a Monolisastic smile, asked the Official to wait for him and went
near the dias.  He told the Pauraanigar about what went between him and
the British official.

  The Pauraanigar smiled at the dvi-baashee and said,"Dont worry,
you will win your bet !"  He slowly turned towards the crowd and
said, " Namah Parvatee pataye namaha !"  And the crowd retorted back,
" Hara hara MahAdeva ".  He again said, " Govinda nAma sangeertanam ".
The crowd replied with greater vigour, " GovindA, GOvindA ! ".
Needless to say, the British official shook his head from side to side
in bewilderment and went away speechless.  The crowd became silent as
before, as the Pauraanigar continued with his story !

Hope you enjoyed it !

Regards,

Balaji/...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Subject: Re: Kazhi-nediladi Aciriya viruttam [padinAru chIIr]
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:05:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.143318.703@news.acns.nwu.edu>, rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
|> What the heck?
|> 
|> idan Aciriyarai adayAlam kandu-pidipavarku AAyiram katti varAgan inAm!!!!
|> 	
|> OR Probably a date!!!!!!!!!!!
|> -------------------
|> 


Just a wild guess, is the author `baalakumaaran' or `sujaathaa'?

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.

|> 
|> Gigabyte
|> 
|> next in production :- any body's perumOOchu!!!!!!!!!!!
From: shivakl@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (LAKSHMANAN SHIVAKUMAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Carnatic Music
Date: 26 Dec 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello everybody,

We have seen a lot of tamil movie songs being posted on the
net.  However, hardly any Carnatic songs are being posted.  It
maybe because most people interested in Carnatic music are
aware of the words of all the popular songs.  But still there
are a few of us who are interested in knowing the words for
some popular songs (viz Pancharatna Kirtanas, etc).  Could
someone please post a few popular songs on the net?

Regards,
Shivakumar

P.S:  Please do continue posting the movie songs as well.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:4583 soc.culture.indian:41637
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NEWS: Temple for Kushboo in Tiruchi
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:47:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Shivanand Bhajekar writes:
>In article <1h50s1INN2kh@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>>Kathivaran writes:
>>> kadavuL aayiruvaanuga! intha mathiri vEdhaththilum
>>	Aae baba, mala kahi samjal asa liv ki, aan? Kay yek shabd kalla nay
>
>		kalnya sarkha hota kay? Aandu Goondu bhashet bolnara na to!

	Tya aandu gondu madhe to babanchya navane shankh vajwat asla 
	mhanje milavli! Ani haach maanus cinema natinna (ani natanna sudha. pun
	apla laksha natinwar, kay? :) eka botit ghalun samudrat sodnaar hota.
	Aae baba, tya Madhuri Dixit ani Sridevila haat lavla tar tangdi
	shaboot nahi :):)

>>	mala. Vangaal vatrat porga mela.. :)
>	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>		Is that an assumption?

	Could have been a non-sequiter but for the fact that to aandu gondu
	madhe bolala :) QED.

	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: "Meenakshi S Murali" <p00239@psilink.com>
Subject: Few Tamil film songs and Raga resemblance
Organization: Complete Business Solutions Inc.,
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:25:57 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

I want to share some films songs and the resemblance of ragas.
I had identified quite a few. I can answer few queries too.
Let us have some interesting discussions on this.

mullai malar mElE - uththama puththiran - darbari kanada
sinanjsiRiya vaNNap paRavai - kunkumam - darbari kanada
marainthirundhu pArkkum marmam - thillana mOhanAmbaL - shanmugapriya
madahvip ponmayilaL thOgai - iru malargaL - karkarpriya
engO piRanthavarAm - 	- sahana
vasantha kAlam varumO - maRakka mudiyumA - kalavathi
nilavE ennidam nerungAthE - Ramu - bageswari
singAra vElanE thEva - konjum salangai - abheri
pAttum nAnE bavamum nAnE - thruviLaiyadal - Gowri manOhari
ennuir thOzhi kEladi sEthi - karnan - hamir kalyani

poongkathavE thAzh thiRavai - nizhalgaL - jaganmohini
idhu oru ponmAlaip pozhudhu - nizhalgaL - kEdaram
koonthalilE mEgam vandhu - balanagamma (new) - pilahari
sridevi envAzhvil aruL - iLamai kAlangaL - hindolam
poththi vechcha malliga mottu - maN vAsanai - mathyamavathi
Om namaha - idhayaththai thirudathE - hamsanatham
nee oru kAdal sangeetham - nayakan - kedaram
pani vizhu malar vanam - ninaivellam nithya - nasikabhooshani
vaazhkai Odam sella - avaL appadiththAn - lalith
andhi mazhai pozhikirEadhu - raja pArvai - panthuvaraLi
vai kaRaiyi vaigai karaiyil - payanangaL mudivathillai - subha panthuvaraLi
mannavanE mannavanE -   - Arabhi
Agaya veNNilavE  - arangERRa vElai - kanada

I can add few more to list

till then
see you
M.Murali
From: vinodkum@sal-sun81.usc.edu (Vinodkumar Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: nila paadalgal
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:17:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun81.usc.edu


   One more nila paadal
 
[31]    paadu nilaave  [movie: udaya geetham]
 
                                        Natarajan
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 [1] nilavE ennidam nerungathE, nee ninaikkum [movie:???]
 [2] nilavu oru peNNagi [movie: ulagam suRRum vaaliban]
 [3] nilavukku en mEl ennadi kOpam [movie: pOlicekaaran makal]
 [4] maasilla nilave [movie: ???]
 [5] VaaraayO veNNilavE, kElayo [movie: missiamma]
 [6] vaa veNNilaa unnaithane [movie: mella thiranthathu kadhavu]
 [7] vaanilE then nilaa [movie: kaakkich chattai]
 [8] vaan nilaa nilaa [movie: pattinap pravesam]
 [9] nilaak kaayuthu neram nalla [movie: sakala kalaa vallavan]
 [10] vaanil muzhu madhiyai kandEn [movie: ???]
 
]    paadu nilaave  [movie: udaya geetham]
 
                                        Natarajan
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 [1] nilavE ennidam nerungathE, nee ninaikkum [movie:???]
 [2] nilavu oru peNNagi [movie: ulagam suRRum vaaliban]
 [3] nilavukku en mEl ennadi kOpam [movie: pOlicekaaran makal]
 [4] maasilla nilave [movie:>>>>>KARNAN<<<]
 [5] VaaraayO veNNilavE, kElayo [movie: missiamma]
 [6] vaa veNNilaa unnaithane [movie: mella thiranthathu kadhavu]
 [7] vaanilE then nilaa [movie: kaakkich chattai]
 [8] vaan nilaa nilaa [movie: pattinap pravesam]
 [9] nilaak kaayuthu neram nalla [movie: sakala kalaa vallavan]
 [10] vaanil muzhu madhiyai kandEn [movie: ???]
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian)
Subject: Re: nila paadalgal
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:26:57 GMT

In <92Dec23.173942.28463@acs.ucalgary.ca> nvenkate@acs.ucalgary.ca (Natarajan Venkateswaran) writes:

>anbargaLe,

>	One more nila paadal

>[31] 	paadu nilaave  [movie: udaya geetham]

>					Natarajan

>-------------------------------------------------------------------

> [1] nilavE ennidam nerungathE, nee ninaikkum [movie:???]
> [2] nilavu oru peNNagi [movie: ulagam suRRum vaaliban]
> [3] nilavukku en mEl ennadi kOpam [movie: pOlicekaaran makal]
> [4] maasilla nilave [movie: ???]
> [5] VaaraayO veNNilavE, kElayo [movie: missiamma]
> [6] vaa veNNilaa unnaithane [movie: mella thiranthathu kadhavu]
> [7] vaanilE then nilaa [movie: kaakkich chattai]
> [8] vaan nilaa nilaa [movie: pattinap pravesam]
> [9] nilaak kaayuthu neram nalla [movie: sakala kalaa vallavan]
> [10] vaanil muzhu madhiyai kandEn [movie: ???]
> [11] veNNilave, veNNilave [movie: vanchik kOttai vaaliban]
> [12] nilaak kaayum nEram, saranam [movie: Sembaruththi]
> [13] nilavondru kandEn, un jannalil [movie: Raagankal Maaruvathillai]
> [14] nilaavE vaa, ullaasam ( <-- not sure) thaa [movie: ??]
> [15] nilavaip paarthu vaanam sonnathu ennaith thodaathE [movie: ??]
> [16] nilavu thoongum nEram, en ninaivu thoongidaathu [Kungumach Chimizh]
> [17] nilavennum aadai kondaalO, [movie: ??]
> [18] oru nilavaip paarthu malaraip paarthEn.[???]
> [19] nilavenna pEsumo [???]
> [20] inbam ponkum veNNilaa veesuthE [veerapaandiya kattabomman]
> [21] Nilave vaa    [ Mouna Raagam ]
> [22] Nilavu vandhadhu nilavu vandhadhu [ Endrum Anbudan ]
> [23] Nila adhu vaanathu mele [ Naayagan ]
> [24] Nilave malarae...., mannil vanda nilave en madhiyil putha malarae 
> [25] Andha nilava than naan kaiyila puduchen [Mudhal mariyadai]
> [26] VaNNam koNda veNNilavE
> [27] Mayakkum maalaip pozhuthE nee pO pO 
> [28] Inikkum inpa nilavE nee vaa vaa
> [29] Venilla aadudhu kannuke *** [ ? ]
> [30] Venillavukku Indha Vaanatha Pidikalayaa  [ Thaalaattu Paadavaa ]


[31] venilla, ennodu kocham adhava, thendraley, enodhu ragam padhava
		nam vazhakai yo...   [??]
[32] andha moondram pirai paru meRkzhu pakkama, adhu muzhusa irrukku
				jannal pakkam [ aararao ariraro ]

> J Anand.

satish




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Subject: "malar" and "nilaa" padalgaL
Keywords: movie songs
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:07:04 GMT

This is for those who are posting this thread of "malar" 
and "nilaa" padalgaL in SCT:


There are hundreds of "malar" and "nilaa" padalgaL in Tamil 
movie songs. I do not know what one can possibly acheive by
collecting the first line of all of them. Even if some of
the netters want to collect this, please do not include all
the fifty (plus) songs that were cited previously and say,
"here is my 51st song!". This way we are wasting the bandwidth.
I request all the netters who are posting this thread to post
only the new additions (without including the old ones). Let
the netters who are interested in this thread collect these 
articles and update his/her own list. Please do not waste the 
SCT bandwidth.

Thank you.

Anbudan,

Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Re: Khushboo = Sugandhi (Was: Kushboo Song!)
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:45:12 GMT

srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:

[ .. del ..]

Khushboo is not a Hindi word.  It is Urdu.

>'Sugandha/Sugandhi', (Sanskrit/Tamil), which is a common
>female name used in South India.

Sugandh is common in Hindi usage (wherever lesser Urdu is used)
The `a' at the end is the anglicized representation of the Sanskrit
original of course; have never come across a northern name of a
person such as that -- more common in the south.

>K. Srinivasan

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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 55
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:21:52 GMT
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"paRavaiyaik kandaan vimaanam padaithaan !
	 paayum neeril padaginai kandaan!
	 ethiroli kEttaan, vaanoli padaithaan !
	 edhanai kandaan? madangaLai padaithaan?!"

	 From "andha naaL mudhal..."

	 Contributed by Ramesh S. Rao
	
	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ali@fvtcmd07.austin.ibm.com (Saleem Mohammad Ali)
Subject: malar, nilaa, ...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:16:18 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

Going along the lines of "malar", and "nilaa"
can someone add to the following list:

[1] "maadhavip pon mayilaaL thOgai viriththaaL ..."
[2] "Ezhu swarangaLukkuL eththanai paadal ..." [movie: apoorva raagam]
[3] "sinnan chiriya vaNNap paravai ..." [movie: kungumam]
[4] "maRaindhirundhe paarkkum marmamenna .." [thillaanaa mOganaambaaL]
[5] "nalandhaanaa ..." [movie: thillaanaa mOganaambaaL]
[6] "paattum naanE paavamum naanE .." [ThiruviLaiyaadal]

I hope you get the picture.
These are numbers based on some raagam and the music has a karnatic touch.

I was trying to record songs of this type and ran short of songs !

(Please avoid "bakthip paadalgaL").

May be Periyasaamy, Sundara Pandiyan, Venkat & co. can give a hand.

Thank you.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: g9205802@cc.uow.edu.au (muralidharan chinnaiyan)
Subject: nEyar viruppam-ivvarappadal
Summary: nEyar viruppam-ivvarappadal
Keywords: nEyar viruppam-ivvarappadal
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 22:42:25 GMT

             nEyar viruppam
             ==============

naan yEn piRanNthEn nattukku nalam enap purinNthEn
enRu naaLum pozhuthum vaazhum varayil
ninaiththidu en thOzhaa
ninaiththu seyalpadu en thOzhaa
udanE seyalpadu en thOzhaa

naadenna seithathu namakku ena kElvikaL kEtpathu ethaRkku
nee enna seithaai athaRkku ena ninaiththaal nanmai unakku
naadenna seithathu namakku ena kElvikaL kEtpathu ethaRkku
nee enna seithaai athaRkku ena ninaiththaal nanmai unakku

naan yEn piRanNthEn nattukku nalam enap purinNthEn
enRu naaLum pozhuthum vaazhum varayil
ninaiththidu en thOzhaa
ninaiththu seyalpadu en thOzhaa
udanE seyalpadu en thOzhaa

malayil piRanNtha nadhiyaal makkaL thaagam theernNthathu
maraththil piRantha kaniyaal avar pasiyum thninNthathu
malayil piRanNtha nadhiyaal makkaL thaagam theernNthathu
maraththil piRantha kaniyaal avar pasiyum thninNthathu
kodiyil piRanNtha malaraal enRum vaasam thavazhnNthathu
annai madiyil piRanNtha unnaal enna payan thaan viLainNthathu 

naan yEn piRanNthEn nattukku nalam enap purinNthEn
enRu naaLum pozhuthum vaazhum varayil
ninaiththidu en thOzhaa
ninaiththu seyalpadu en thOzhaa
udanE seyalpadu en thOzhaa
ninaiththu seyalpadu en thOzhaa

paththuth thiNGkaL sumanNthaalE avaL perumaip pada vEndum 
unnai petRathanaalE avaL matRavaraalE potRap pada vEndum
katRavar sabayil unakkaaka thani idamum thara vEndum
un kaNNil oru thuLi neer vanNthaalum ulakam azha vEndum

naan yEn piRanNthEn nattukku nalam enap purinNthEn
enRu naaLum pozhuthum vaazhum varayil
ninaiththidu en thOzhaa
ninaiththu seyalpadu en thOzhaa
udanE seyalpadu en thOzhaa

anbudan,

V R Kumar



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: The Foxes and the lion: A story
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:21:27 GMT

In <BzIL24.Eqs@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:

>Long long ago, a pack of foxes lived in a cave. Most of them
>were brown. The rest were black.

>After the local lion's hunt, they used to go as a whole
>group and managed to chase the lion away. Then had all the prey
>to themselves. There was no shortage of food for the foxes.

>Lion was unhappy and all foxes were happy.

>Then one day, an old brown fox, remarked, "Look, those black
>foxes are grabbing a larger share than us." Some of the
>foxes, black and brown, indeed were having a larger share.

>Some foxes said, "Why bother, we all have enough to eat."

>Some others said, "Let us force all the black foxes to marry
>brown foxes, so that all will get mixed, and there will be
>no difference".
   cigarette pugai naaRum.
   santhanap pugai vaasam adikkum.
   intha puthisaali 
   sO style anthaNap pugai paravinaal kuLirum,
   nadungkavum seiyum
   aiyaah!

 vaazhapazhaththil oosi nalla Ethuringa aiyaah!
 enga munnOrkaL pEthaikaL thaan aiyaah! 
 naanga antha madamaiyai vittu veLiyE vanthuvittOm aiyaah!

.
>Lion was happy and all foxes were unhappy.

>K. Srinivasan   at Hydro Quebec  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca


  oru pointai vittu vitteerkaL.
  Black foxes still rule the browns.
  Black foxes can impose THADAI on the browns.

 anpan,
 Kathiravan.
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Few Tamil film songs and Raga resemblance
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:37:01 GMT

In <2934302675.2.p00239@psilink.com> "Meenakshi S Murali" <p00239@psilink.com> writes:

>I can add few more to list
  Could you pl identify "kangkai karaithth thOttam"
                 and   "maalaip pozhuthin mayakaththilE" by kaviarasu
>till then
>see you
>M.Murali


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Subject: Re: Kazhi-nediladi Aciriya viruttam [padinAru chIIr]
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:01:10 GMT

In article <17676@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.143318.703@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:

>>
>>kAlaiyilE ezhundirundAl seidi thAlil

Date and author?
Thanks for a nice poem!

>
>I do see more than 16 ceers in most of the adi's. Of course
>you can modify the existing ceers to get 16. By the way
>what is the definition of Aciriya viruththam? I recall
>Aciriyappaa contains only maa+nEr and viLam+nirai (both
>2 asaich cheer). 
>

Achiriyappa grammer goes like this,

........ than thaLai thazhviyum, ayaR thaLai viraviyum .........

Hence, Asiriya thaLai should be the predominant one, but the 
poem can have other thaLais as well. In that respect, only 
veNpa is strict about having its own thaLai. 

maa+nEr - nEr onRu AsiriyaththaLai
viLam+nirai - nirai onRu AsiriyaththaLai

BTW, can someone post the grammer for AsiriyappA

Bye,
Babu