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From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

> How does one ride a MTB through sand? I have a Schwinn High Plains with 2.0"
> tires and I lowered the pressure to about 25#s. I can get the front tire to
> go exactly where I want, but the rear tire squiggles. If I back off the
> power I stall, if I add more power I spin and sqiggle. I could walk, but that
> defeats the purpose of cycling ;-}.

When the rear tire squirms sideways,
turn the handlebars to try to straighten out
the bike and keep pedaling.  Sometimes actively sawing the handlebars
back and forth while pedaling continuously in a low gear will let you
crab and squirm diagonally through a sand pit.
Keep your speed up when entering the sand and your weight slightly back.
Keep your tire pressure low, and use the fattest tires you can get.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:48:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9SEP199209092041@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch) writes:
>
>A little simple communication works wonders here. When I'm the rider nearest
>to traffic I'll call to the other rider that I'm pulling in front. The
>other rider has *always* held back a little to let me in.
>
Well, it's plain that you aren't a guy, Nancy. We prefer the quiet,
co-ordinated pace, punctuated by hollering when the other person
doesn't read our minds. :-)
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From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: SPD compatible shoes (was Re: Will SPD equipped MTB shoes work with toe clips as well?)
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:57:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

zeke@chiton.ucsd.edu (Rob Scott) wrote:
 
> As a second query, does anybody have any opinions (hoo-boy, like opening a
> Pandora's box) on the Specialized off-road shoes?  I like the design better
> than the Shimano, but haven't tried either one on for fit yet.  Any other
> shoes that are noteworthy to be used for on/off road usage?  I'm not a hard
> core road rider (my commuter bike is a cross-bike with 700C wheels) and
> want a good multi-purpose shoe for my clipless pedals.

I have just retired my 3 year old Specialized Dirt Dogs (pre-SPD) so I
certainly don't have any complaints about durablility.  The tread is
reasonably grippy as well.  However I found them a tad narrow for my wider
than average feet.  If you have narrow-to-average-width feet, they should
be fine.  BTW, for others with wide feet, I have found the Diadora SPD
compatible shoes to be a perfect fit.

--
Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
Palmerston North, NZ         40*23'S 175*37'E,    GMT+12
From: ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: WHEN WILL THEY LEARN????
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:27:49 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Why are there still people sending technical, sales,...etc. messages to rec.
bicycles.MISC when there are specific directories for these types of messages.
         ^^^^
I hate having to wade through crap that shouldn't even be there. 

Perhaps people haven't been wearing their helmets and have had a few too many
bangs on the head?

WISE UP!!! And use the system as it's inteneded, or don't use it at all! It is
not difficult!


-------
Charles (aka Mr Angry)

ftgcdj@uk.ac.oxford.vax
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Farewell _crosswords_
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:31:28 GMT

Sorry if this is posted twice, but our site has been acting-up a
bit lately...

The next issue of _crosswords_ will be the last one.  I'm going to
be doing some freelance writing and I won't have time for that *and*
publishing _crosswords_.  The next/last issue will come out sometime
before the end of the year.

Thanks to everyone who's helped-out along the way...


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
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From: chris@wolfhh.hanse.de (Christian Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,de.rec.fahrrad
Subject: Re: Liegerad (was: Re: logos ...)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 19:42:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Keywords: bicycle logos

Hallo!

lum@cs.tu-berlin.de (Lutz Hofmann) writes:

>Hier zwei Versuche:

>   _o _ L
>  (_)V (_)

>   _o  _*_
>  (_)\/ (_)

Auaaaaa ..... !!!!!! Mein armer Ruecken :-) Das Liegerad fahren
zeichnet sich unter anderen dadurch aus, das der Ruecken nicht
so unatuerlich gekruemmt wird.

So, jetzt bleibt mir wohl nix anders ueberig, als zu versuchen
es besser zu machen (ja ich weiss, ich bin d'rauf reingefallen,
denn das war es ja nur, was Lutz wollte :-)

     o
    _ \__/\_
   (_)     ()

Gruss,
	Christian
-- 
Christian Wolf, Eissendorfer Winkel 2, 2100 Hamburg 90, Germany
Phone (private): +49-40-7609277; E-Mail: chris@wolfhh.hanse.de
wolfhh Any ACU +49-40-7606411 14400 ogin: \dnuucp sword: \dnuucp
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Keywords: pigeon;helmut
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:57:35 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <32pnd=+.mbothe@netcom.com> mbothe@netcom.com (Michael Bothe) writes:

>paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:


>> I was riding with a cycling buddy this morning and he recounted an
>>interesting even that happened to him last week.

>> He was riding in a pace line, at the front, when a nyc pigeon hit him
>>in the head and got its beak stuck in the air intake of his giro helmet.

>> He said it was somewhat difficult to keep a true line with the body of
>>the pigeon flailing about in front of his eyes, nose, and mouth.

>> It finally blew loose, fell to the ground, and sadly, was crushed by the
>>pace line as they road by.

>> I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
>>anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
>>had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
>>simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
>>or her helmet.

>>********************************************************************

>Hmm, what fun! All I ever get is bees, big ones too...

>Mike

 The only times I ever got stung in my life by serious insects[tm] was
while riding. Both times on the hand where they decided to rest until I
decided to scratch my nose and/or shift gears. That seemed to get them
upset. Both times a cursed, upshifted, picked up the pace a couple of miles
per hour, and made the ride a lesson in pain.


-- 
*******************************************************************
paul@panix.com                                    COMPULITE GRAPHICS
Brooklyn NY usa                                Design & Consultation
********************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mbothe@netcom.com (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 21:08:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: pigeon;helmut

paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:


> I was riding with a cycling buddy this morning and he recounted an
>interesting even that happened to him last week.

> He was riding in a pace line, at the front, when a nyc pigeon hit him
>in the head and got its beak stuck in the air intake of his giro helmet.

> He said it was somewhat difficult to keep a true line with the body of
>the pigeon flailing about in front of his eyes, nose, and mouth.

> It finally blew loose, fell to the ground, and sadly, was crushed by the
>pace line as they road by.

> I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
>anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
>had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
>simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
>or her helmet.


>-- 
>*******************************************************************
>paul@panix.com                                    COMPULITE GRAPHICS
>Brooklyn NY usa                                Design & Consultation
>********************************************************************

Hmm, what fun! All I ever get is bees, big ones too...

Mike
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:39:45 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

>In article <1992Sep14.161505.21678@news.unomaha.edu>
kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger) with closest honest answer: 
>>It looks neat and clean plus it shows off
>>the muscles.  It's the same reason why bodybuilders shave.

In article <1992Sep14.210436.5130@cbnews.cb.att.com>
ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) disparages: 
>Sorry.  For body builders, it's a required part of the sport
>(as are fasting and diuretics).  For cyclists, it's pure vanity.

So, what part of the the body-building sport is any less vain than the
shaving cyclist?

Kurt is right, it's required to prove you're a part of the
brotherhood.  It is vanity.  It is done despite all the scientific
evidience I have put forth with others here to show that the true
advantage goes to the non-shaver.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: zefal mini hp
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com's message of 4 Sep 92 21:24:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.212439.9618@javelin.sim.es.com> rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty) writes:

   In article <lau.715635079@femto>, lau@femto.cs.umn.edu (Patrick Lau)
   writes:
   |>I just got a mt. zefal mini double shot hp pump, and I could hardly
   |>get
   |>it to pump up to 70 psi.(And it claims to pump up to 100 psi in 7
   |>strokes.
   |>Is this true?) Did I do something wrong, or does anyone else have the
   |>same problem with this pump? Thanks for any help.
   |>
   |>Patrick
   |>
	   They forgot to mention that the claim of 100 psi in 7 strokes only
   works
   if you plug the business end of the pump with a rubber stopper. I took
   two of these
   back to where I bought them and finaly exchanged it for a full size
   pump. Since
   then, I have heard that it is very important how you put them on the
   valve stem.
   (must seat completly)


What do you mean by plugging up the "business end" with a rubber
stopper?  The only thing I could figure out to do with the rubber
stopper was plug up the valve attachment while the pump was on the
bike.  Is this stopper functional otherwise?

Philip

P.S.  I only manage to get about 40 psi in my mtn bike tires after
prodigious effort.  Go ahead, call me a girlie-man.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Mountain Bike Magazines
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:16:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

In article <JYM.92Sep14174802@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

>=o= I think _Mountain_Bike_Action_'s "rebelliousness" is just
>posturing.  They promote all this irresponsible wilderness-
>wrecking "gonzo" biking and we're supposed to be impressed at
>how daring they are?  Pfui.

I prefer to call this rag, "Mountain Bike Fiction", as suggested
by an old friend of mine -- Jensen Hastings.

I don't mind their stupid attitudes about how rad all this mountain
bike stuff really is dude, but when they bad rap a bike because they
broke it while jumping off of a cliff, or they ignore a serious
problem (Shimano was breaking hyperglide chains all over the hillsides
and trails and no-one in the magazine industry would say so) it tells
me that all I'm reading is an advertisement.

There is little enough difference in most bikes in the same price
catagory and if any of those small differences add up to a hill
of beans then say so. Otherwise, say that we liked this bike because
all of the brand names were our favorites.
>
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Crossing the Delaware, revisited
Keywords: I did it!
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:09:19 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

Some time ago, I asked about ways to get across the Delaware River in the
Philadelphia area.  Today, I biked from Bryn Mawr PA home to Hainesport NJ,
which included committing the deed.

The first five miles, on Route 30, were uneventful, although the total lack
of a shoulder is most annoying.  Generally, motorists have enough sense to let
me have most of the lane, since I ride about 2.5' from the right side of the
lane.  [There are storm grates I _don't_ want to hit on a racing bike.]

The next five miles, through Philadelphia, were a lot of fun.  I went past
the Zoo on Girard Avenue, ducked through Fairmount Park to the Art Museum,
and - unfortunately - couldn't use the Ben Franklin Parkway, 'cos there was
a Labor Day parade going on.  [So much for riding the same roads as the
CoreStates racers! :)]  Instead, I ducked down many city streets, eventually
emerging onto Vine Street in pouring rain.  I followed that to the Ben
Franklin Bridge, at which point I dismounted and asked a pedestrian whether
the walkway was open all the way across.

It was, so I changed into my hiking shoes, and hoofed it across to the Jersey
side.  The walkway ends in a staircase [switch to Cyclocross mode!] which is
only a block from the Camden campus of Rutgers University.  The student center
there has a water fountain, and was open, even on the holiday today.  Nobody
looked at me too strangely as I walked in, bike shouldered, so it might be a
good waterstop for any bikers who are so unfortunate as to find themselves in
Camden. :)

Changing back into my biking shoes, I rode a few more miles through Camden,
then finished up the last 12 miles or so of the ride through familiar 
territory.  The last 4 or 5 miles were a "cool-down" period, particularly
since it kept raining. :)

It's a nice ride, unless you have something against roads without shoulders,
urban conditions, _bad_ (in my opinion) neighborhoods, not-all-that-well-kept
bridge walkways, or drivers in the Philly metro area.  

Remember your water bottle, though - I forgot mine.

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:59:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:

>I've found that both a Sedis SL and a Campy-Rohloff shift a HG cassette better
>than an HG-70, HG-90, or HG-91 chain (I haven't tried an HG DA Chain).

I found just the opposite, that the Sedis SL did not shift as well
as an HG-90 chain.

> >I would recommend sticking with the HG chain.

Given optimum shifting as a priority over minimal maintenance hassle,
I agree with Eric.  
> >
> >
> >-Eric Rentschler

Keith Erskine
From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:40:48 GMT
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, judiths@eliot.uucp (Judith Speck) writes:
>>
>
>   Jobst, there is simply no way you can compare homosexual tendancies to
>mechanical inclination.  The traits are simply not on the same scale!
>Sexuality is one of the three primal urges of being human (along with
			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The way to compare the "tendancies" is by seeing them both as manifestations
of the construction of the brain.  Differences are being found between
the brains ( sizes of certain regions) between straight and gay men.
What they mean is not understood but I doubt they are causedby the exposure
to other gay men, ( to draw an analogy to your mechanical aptitude being
a result of exposure and expectations in your childhood). Many strange
abilities can be altered by brain injury to certain regions.  It has
been shown that men and women navigate differently. Men use vectors,distance
and direction more while women rely more on landmarks (for instance).

Far be it from me to defend Brandt, but to deny differences between
men and women and say we're all the same until we're "molded" is
simplistic and wrong.  "Three primal urges"  PLLEEAASSEE!!!
>Take your silly sexist BS someplace else.
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   I wish I had a similar catch-all phrase for your close mindedness
       Bill O'Reagan
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Shimano Bottom Bracket-UN50
Date: 10 Sep 1992 15:02:45 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov
Keywords: n

Michael Batchelder or Jeremy Goell (my references are screwed up) writes:

>They seem to perform smoothly
>and reliably in the year or so they've been around.

I have a UN70 bb.  It developed a creak for five or six hundred miles,
but then it went away.  Some sort of creak seems to be a common experience
with these things.  It also bothers me that the length of unsupported
spindle is larger than normal.

Their biggest virtue is that installation is trivial.  Nothing to adjust or 
fiddle with.

>they weigh more than conventional bb's, 

Is it really heavier than a conventional BB?  I thought it was about the
same.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: New bike rider
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:18:53 GMT

Howdy. Believe it or not I'm a relatively new adult bike rider...I had a
prized 10-speed stolen when I was 13 3 days after I bought it, 16 years
ago, and the trauma was such that I've only ridden a bike about half a
dozen times since. I guess it wasn't that bad, but living in the city I
never got around to buying another one. 

My wife just bought me a new bike (a 21-speed '91 Fraser Pro Peugot
mountain bike) and I've been commuting with it the last couple of days
(yes, unbelievably, I remember how to ride - just like falling off a bike
or riding a log, as my wife said).

It's sort of dizzying how much more complicated it seems now than back when
I had the 10 speed for 3 days...it took me a good couple of hours to figure
out how to shift, and even now I'm not sure I've got the idea down about
when. There are also a lot of bits to maintain properly. The owner's manual
was useless; the guy at the shop was very good about explaining things but
I'm not sure how much of it sank into my brain.

Hence my question: is there a book that would be a sort of 'owner's manual'
for somebody like me, that explains basic bike operations and maintenance
for the relative beginner? Any general hints about things I should be aware
of  ? (Yes, I bought a helmet and fitted it correctly.)

thanks for any suggestions...

- Matt

wall@cc.swarthmore.edu

"I don't think I want to live in a country where George Bush gets to go to
the all-star game and Cecil Fielder doesn't." - R Rappaport
From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hubs built for straight spokes
Summary: Fatigue
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:54:51 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <1992Sep2.204855.7738@src.dec.com>, jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias) writes:
> |> Why are MTB wheels less subject to failures and what causes them in
> |> one kind of wheel and not another?
> |> 
> |> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
> 
> 
> You tell us.  My experiences seem to be the same as Tom's. 
> My road wheels are more prone to spoke breakage than my mountain 
> bike wheels. As a matter of fact, I have yet to break a spoke while 
> off-road (knock, knock).
> 
> Jim C.

I've had the same experience. I too break spokes on my road bikes but
not on my off road bike. My own personal theory backed up by *no*
scientific evidence is that:

A - I usually *Potato Chip* (notice I used Webster's version of Potato
    vs Quayle's version) my Off Road rims long before the spokes have a 
    chance to fatigue and break.

B - I put a hell of alot more miles on my road wheels than I do my off
    road wheels. Thus the spokes on my road wheels are more vulnerable
    to extended use fatigue failure than my off road wheels. I believe
    that eventually as the *years* go by my off road wheels (the ones that
    escape being potato chipped) will start to exhibit fatigue spoke failure.

BTW _ I originally put a posting on this group asking for opinions on
the "Straight Spoke Hub" marketed under the name Pulstar. I've yet to
see any responses. I have noticed that there are a number of postings
concerning "straight spoke" and I suspect these are orthogonal threads
originating from a response to my original query about the Pulstar Hubs.

I've never seen the responses to my question about Pulstar Hubs and I
suspect they exist - it's just that I (or my mailer) missed them.
Would someone please e-mail me any postings directly related to the Pulstar
Straight Spoke hub..? Thanks.
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Delta V opinions/info sought...
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:31:58 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I just received a piece of Cannondale Propaganda
telling me how great their DELTA V off road bike is.

Does anyone out there have such a beast? How do you like it?
How much does it cost? How touch is it to maintain?
Do you cry when it gets dirty/scratched or crashed?
And #1, does it work?

Just Curious and Green Abouth the Gill,
Todd S.
Owner of a Holy Smoke
pl3x@vax5.cit.Cornell.edu

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