HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: spelling problems..... ;-)
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:13:03 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Oct13.105029.20296@crc.ac.uk> fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.184158.21305@athena.mit.edu>, anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
>> Hello you amreekaanoz.......do you all have the same promlems with US/British
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>OK OK I know this newsgroup is dominated by 'americano's' but us European's
>deserve a look in too :-)

	   They are jsut to far away to be looked at. :-) If I wanted to
look at Adil, I would pick up an old copy of TV times, or an old
newspaper. I have been told by Ms. Butt, that every other girl in KC
(Lahore) had a crush on the dude. I hazard a guess that every other
girl with Pakistani blood has a crush on him. Are you one of those
girls, or one of the others? 

	   The problem, my fair lady, is simply that amreekanoz can go
visit Adil for a weekend, europeans can't. Knowing Adil, and how
oblivious he is to his magentic attraction, he probably doesn't even
know all the women who visit Cambridge, Massachusettes, just to be
within a mile of his aura. So, I expect him to deny this, and recite
one of his favorite ghazals... na hota maiN, to kiya hota...

>Farha  Khurshid                     786

	   Hey motee, how'bout coming over to see us amreekaanoz? Who
knows you might decide to stay just to be in the same country as
Adil. ;-) 

dsqa

-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Radio propaganda
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:55:29 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
NNTP-Posting-Host: riga.docs.uu.se

In article <1992Oct14.192957.25595@kth.se>, tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
> Wait a minute; didn't they sentence *Ahmed Rami himself* to four or six 
> months of imprisonment for this, despite the fact that the other person 
> ought to be legally accountable for this?

I don't have the details in front of me (as I don't use to record
the TV news on tape), but I was fairly certain the 'legal front'
was convicted to imprisonment (a few months, or something).

I heard the possibility of punishing Rami as well was discussed,
but I didn't hear about an actual sentence being passed on him.
You may have additional sources which I missed.
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.153623.8104@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:
>Are you sure they convert from christianity? In Sweden, most bishops
>are marxist, 

I'm not sure that it's fair to say that. "Marxist" is probably a too 
strong expression to use. "Left wing social democrats" is probably a 
better description, becuase things get so strange if you think you have 
"communist priests" :-). (Swedish social democracy had many of its early 
influences from German social democrats, and they broke with the "pure" 
teachings of Marx/Engels fairly early; names of social democratic 
ideologers like Bernstein comes to mind.) Unfortuntely, this seems to be 
true for a large portion of the priests in the somewhat pathetic 
organization known as Church of Sweden. I have some theories of why this 
is so, but since I do not usually fratenize with priests or religiously 
convinced members of "our" church, I could be wrong, so I'll keep them 
to myself for now.

Btw, one of the most leftist bishops (the one in V{ster}s: Claes-Bertil 
Ytterberg) was number one in the preliminary election for archbishop, 
since Bertil Werkstr|m will retire rather soon, but he now said that he 
will not candidate. He made this decision after conferring with god, and 
possibly the spirit of Karl Marx. :-)

>and only a few percent of the population beleive in the christian god.

"Jag tror p} bert Lind i Kramfors!" :-)
(basically untranslatable)

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:19:01 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <FISCHER.92Oct11195451@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>Tomas> We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of
>Tomas> porridge (*)

>Just as s Swede talks just like he just had 6 Carlsberg Elephant.

  It is well known that if a drunken Dane staggers around in K|penhavn all
the non-drunken Danes will point at him and say 'Bloody Swedes! going here
and making a nuisance out of themselves!'.

1/2:)

>/Lars

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
		"Revive the Swedish-Madagascan Brigand Pact!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:28:31 GMT

Hallvard The Horrible writes:
>Markku Sakkinen writes:
> |>Kent Sandvik writes:
>|> > Vestkusten, the
>|> > magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
>|> So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!
>	"Vest-kysten"
>	Vestkusten sound swedish to me..

That's because you're Norwegian. Sounds Russian to me...

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From: bryn@cs.toronto.edu (Bryn Owren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:34:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <1992Oct9.105522.440@alf.uib.no> fredrikm@ii.uib.no writes:
> Stein J|rgen Rypern <steinry@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>|> 
>|>   In a totally unexpected bout of reason, the main political parties agreed
>|> upon actually building a new main airport for Norway at gardermoen, 
>
>At the risk of starting a major flame war I would like to comment that this is
>a decicion to build a new main airport for Eastern Norway. All other major
>cities but Oslo already have modern airports.
>
>Personaly I am going to miss Fornebu because of its unique location just 
>15 minutes outside Oslo. It made traveling to Oslo easy. When Gardemoen is
>ready one will have to take a (rapid) train to get from the airport
>to central Oslo. This is going to add to the time one spends travelling. 
>

I heard somewhere that the rapid train from Gardermoen to Oslo Central
Station will only take about 19 minutes, which is probably about the
same time it takes from Fornebu to OCS with bus.

Incidentally, it has been claimed that the "main airport of Norway" is
called, and will always be called Kastrup.

Bryn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:09:52 GMT

Tomas Eriksson writes:

>Swedish social democracy had many of its early 
>influences from German social democrats, and they broke with the "pure" 
>teachings of Marx/Engels fairly early; names of social democratic 
>ideologers like Bernstein comes to mind.

Or rather Rosa Luxemburg :-)

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From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:42:50 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Oct12.162639.15420@kth.se>, 
		tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
|> I've heard that the fundamentalist tendency in Islam is rather new, and 
|> that it used to be a less "mad" religion.
	Have you considered the possibility of I. being less "mad" than some
	competitors in the 7th century but the developed world is now 
	radically less "mad" than in the 7th c. and I. is slagging behind.
|> For instance, "jihad" is 
|> supposed to "really" mean an effort (of any kind) to aid your religion. 
	Most people says that this is an afterconstruction. A jihad is 
	carried out under favourable terms. Some radical leader lauched
	a 'jihad' agains poverty. This idea was adopted by many.I have no 
	references of this. In the 7th century 'jihad' indeed meant war.
|> Specifically, to force someone to adopt Islam against that person's will 
|> would not be jihad.
	It is reasonable to interpet the original I. as construction for
	imperialism. I presume the aim was to unify the arab tribes. It is
	hard to see how any futher expansion could have been planned by the 
	original promotors. This expansion would have been slowed down by
	enforced conversion. 
|> But nowadays it looks like jihad just means "holy 
|> war" of the most brutal and mindless kind. "Det var b{ttre f|rr!"
	The invation of Sassanid Persia clearly shows it wasn't 'b{ttre f|rr'.
	I sometimes tries to imagin how the world would be if P. hadn't been 
	devestated. I do not promote islam but I presume most of the islamic 
	world today is less "mad" than ever before and bodies like MB are 
	rather reactionary than	revolutionary. 
								Arthur
|> 
|> Tomas
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
|>             Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
|>                Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
|> 
|> "These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
|> adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
From: txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Trevor Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Seeking employment in Sweden (1993).
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:55:17 GMT
Reply-To: txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Trevor Lyall)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh


Hello,
	I am a British student who is seeking employment in Sweden after July
1993. Ideally I would like to get in job in or around Orebro although
Stockholm would be just as acceptable. If there is anybody who can help me
in finding a job in Sweden I would appreciate it very much, replies by e-mail
to the address below.

 If anybody can help me with some company names/addresses or where I could
find such a list then I would be very grateful.

 I am interested in getting a job in the software side of communications,
parallel computing or computer graphics although any programming job would
be satisfactory.

 I can supply a full CV an request.

 Here is a brief summary of my education/experience :

Education :
-----------
	Currently entering 4th year at Edinburgh University.

	3rd year passed with a 2nd class merit in computer science.
	( Full details on CV )

Work Experience :
-----------------
	Summer 1991 - Summer student at Edinburgh Parallel Computing Center.

	Summer 1992 - Summer student at Spider Software ( a division of
		      Spider Systems ).

My e-mail address is :
		txl@uk.ac.ed.dcs	OR
		txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk

Thanks in advance for any help, Trevor Lyall.
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Trevor Lyall			"I'm not a number,
						 I'm a free person!!!" - The Prisoner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tor@midgaard (Tor)
Subject: Re: Vikings and Green Beads
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:52:28 GMT


Odin the oneeyed writes:
>Fredrik stman writes:
>>Steinar Bang writes:
>>>John S. Robertson writes:

>>>>... but I was wondering if anyone out there ever heard of Vikings
>>>>wearing green beads in their hair.

>>>No, it would clash with their horns...

>>Therefore, they had them in their beards, and let them clash with their
>>belts. Actually, they had green beads on the right side and red beads on
>>the left side. This helped them to navigate on their long longship
>>journeys.

>No,no,no...... They had a green bead in their left ear and a red one in the right ear.
>This helped them to stand the noise of the stormy atlantic ocean.
>I still can't get my red bead out......

WELL, ODIN DARLING, WHY DON'T YOU COME TO MY SMITHY, AND I'LL CLEAR IT OUT WITH A GLOWING IRON ROD!
_____      _
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  |  /  \ |  >
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Ulf Sundin <ulf@gbg.infolog.se>
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6FA09073901831D@ulf.sundin.gbg.infolog.se>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:49:27 GMT
Organization: Infologics AB
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:45:59 GMT

Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) wrote
>In article <etxmow.718022516@garboc34> etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se
>(Mats Winberg) writes:
>
>> [ ... ]
>
>>                                           I always associated
>> Swedes (and Scandinavians) with tolerance, pragmatism and a
>> certain kind of non-religousness. Fundamentalism, Christian or
>> Islamic is just not part of our national heritage
>> [ ... ]
>
>This is out of context, but...
>
>This made me curious, what is required to make a lifestyle a "national
>heritage"?  Christianity has been in Scandinavia for at about 1.000
>years, and still you will not regard it a part of our "national
>heritage"?
>
>Bj{\o}rn
>
If you carefully read the sentence
    "Fundamentalism, Christian or Islamic is just not part of our
national heritage"
you will note that what Mats considers not to be a part of our natianla
heritage
is *fundamentalism*.

I agree with that.

/Ulf Sundin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
	<1992Oct6.221319.27057@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Oct7.103336.18772@dde.dk>
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:31:30 GMT
Distribution: soc

In article <1992Oct7.103336.18772@dde.dk> ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering) writes:
   I will not flame you, but I will correct you:
     - According to Islam, a person who leaves Islam for antoher religion
       is lost.
     - According to Christianity, a person who leaves Christianity for
       another religion is lost.

Finally a sensible person! I find this thread about Swedish women converting
to Islam rather stupid and frightening (in the sense that it shows how
prejudiced and single-minded many participants seem to be). What about all the
millions (?) of people that Nordic missionaries have converted to Christianity
during the ages? Isn't it only fair that some Nordic people now convert *from*
Christianity :-)
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:42:49 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.718624976.steinry@svarte.ifi.uio.no>, Stein J|rgen Rypern <steinry@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>  It is with great regret I have to tell you that we yesterday, october 10th
>1992, at approximately 10pm, lost an important part of our cultural heritage -
>"the great main airport debate (tm)".
>
>  In a totally unexpected bout of reason, the main political parties agreed
>upon actually building a new main airport for Norway at gardermoen, some
>45 - 50 km NE of Oslo, and thus concluded a 23 year long period of debate

Are you sure it's only 23 years? I think the news item on Swedish national 
radio about this yesterday said 30-something years.

Airports are an interesting issue. Just two years or so ago, some 
politicians thought they finally had killed the Bromma airport inside 
Stockholm (unlike Arlanda, which is closer to Uppsala than central 
Stockholm), against the wishes of smaller air carriers, business 
travellers and the airforce. However, after last years election and the 
liberalization of domestic air travel, Bromma is more alive than in 
several decades, mainly because of "Malm| Aviation" which flies 
Bromma-Malm| several times a day, and Bromma-London City Airport (using 
BAe 146, which is the only jet airliner in it's size that have been 
approved for Bromma use) two times per day. I think more attempts at 
killing Bromma airport will be made in the future.

>(*2) - according to some sceptics, the fog was nothing but Vaseline(tm)
                                                            ^^^^^^^^
>       smeared over the lenses of the fog-measuring devices. If this is 
>       truly the case, this is new use for this product, which usually
>       is used on the rear end of babies.

Well, pencil down yet another confirmation of the old Swedish expression: 
"Med v}ld och vaselin g}r allt!" :-)

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: VTT
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:49:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.122442.7919@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>I think the point is that the women convert into the Islam and not
>the men in Scandinavia. That means the ladies are not so religious than
>men over here? Does it means that speaking of liberation and doing
>things are too separeated things. Just knowing the facts make me to
>be quite a suspect when a lady, from the academical circles speak
>about libaration of the women and knowing that her sisters who do not
>attend the seminars convert into the Islam. 
>I call it voting by the feet. 

In which case the vote is strongly for "liberation" as such a small 
percentage of women convert.  I think you will find extremely small 
percentages of Scandanavian women converting to Islam unless they marry
an Islamic man.  Does anyone have figures?  What percentage of
Scandinavian (men/women) convert to Islam if they (do/do not) marry
an Islamic person?  Four figures are desired.

I would hazard a guess that less than 1% of Scandinavian women who do
not marry an Islamic guy convert to Islam.  I would also guess that the
percentage is HIGHER for Scandinavian guys converting who do not marry
an Islamic woman.

My Guesses: Man who marries:     75%    Man who doesn't marry:   0.9%
            Woman who marries:   95%    Woman who doesn't marry: 0.5%
             ["Marries" means marries an Islamic person.]
Does anyone know (or care)?

This certainly does not mean that Scandinavian women IN GENERAL are
rejecting women's liberation.  If you take it as such a vote, you will
find that only a tiny minority take the rejectionist position.

>I think the converts are mostly ladies
>as well as in Sweden and Norway. 

This is because a far higher percentage of Scandinavian women marry Islamic
guys than Scandinavian men marrying Islamic women.  Among other things
this has to do with the relative numbers of single Islamic guys and
women in the population.  This calls for four more figures: the number
of single Islamic (men/women) in Scandinavia and the percentage of
single Islamic (men/women) who marry non-Islamic Scandinavians.  Does
anyone have any of these numbers?  I won't even guess.

>And they are very feminist countries
>basically in their values. The ladies, some of them, are tired of
>their "velour fathers" and the men who just follow aside 
>how the women carry out  "the equalism" between the sexes are afraid of saying
>that does not good for the you.

This is a terribly sexist viewpoint (IMHO) and does not appear to be
based on any data.

>Jarmo

-- 
doug foxvog     
dfo@tko.vtt.fi   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
From: lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Subject: New Moomintroll TV series
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:38:19 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Does anyone have any more information about the following?

The fall issue of Scandinavian Review has an article by Annika H{llsten about
an upcoming animated series featuring the Moomintroll family (Mumitroll in
Swedish).  H{llsten writes that producer Dennis Livson had for many years
wanted to do a TV series with the Moomins, but not until now did their creator,
78-year-old Finland-Swedish author Tove Jansson give up her aversion to the
medium, and realize that if children watch TV anyway, they might as well see
the Moomin family.

The 78-episode series cost USD four million to make under the direct
supervision of Tove and her brother Lars, who does the Moomintroll comic strip.
According to the article, it's now one of the most popular shows in Japan,
where it was made and premiered.  It has been sold to more than 100 countries
and "may be coming to American television screens this fall."  Tove Jansson
thinks the series is well made, although she did have some violence cut.

For those of you in r.a.animation, the Moomintrolls aren't what Americans tend
to associate with the word troll, but the civilized, refined, hairless
descendants of those early primitive trolls.  They're somewhat bohemian and
exhibit a delightful naivete about the world.  Although they began life in a
1945 children's book, adults also read the books, and some of the later Moomin
books are oriented toward an older readership.

I'm cross-posting this article to r.a.animation to see if anyone in that group
can tell us when we'll get the series in the US.  Please consider what
newsgroups would be appropriate for your follow-ups.  I'd also like to hear
from anyone who has seen the series already.
  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   . . . . Lee Choquette . . . . . . . . . . . I love work . . . . . . . . .
  . . . .lchoqu@cs.utah.edu . . . . . . I could watch it all day. . . . . .
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fredrikm@ii.uib.no
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:55:22 GMT

 Stein J|rgen Rypern <steinry@ifi.uio.no> writes:
|> 
|>   In a totally unexpected bout of reason, the main political parties agreed
|> upon actually building a new main airport for Norway at gardermoen, 

At the risk of starting a major flame war I would like to comment that this is
a decicion to build a new main airport for Eastern Norway. All other major
cities but Oslo already have modern airports.

Personaly I am going to miss Fornebu because of its unique location just 
15 minutes outside Oslo. It made traveling to Oslo easy. When Gardemoen is
ready one will have to take a (rapid) train to get from the airport
to central Oslo. This is going to add to the time one spends travelling. 

I believe Sweden recently reopened Bromma to avoid this kind of a situation?

Fredrik