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Reply-To:     Richard Howland-Bolton
              <richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
From:         Richard Howland-Bolton
              <richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      ASY- RE>RE- PAGEMAKR LIST O
X-To:         pagemakr@indycms.iupui.edu

        Reply to:   ASY: RE>RE: PAGEMAKR LIST OUT OF CO

    > Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) writes
    > PEAKE@UNCA.BITNET (I couldah been ah contendah...)
    > writes:
    >
    >     > >Felix Sung <fsung@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA> writes:
    >     >
    >     > Perhaps we could devise a particular code to
    >     > include in the header of a message to indicate
    >     > that it does not focus directly on technical
    >     > matters, but is more "chatty".
    >
    > On another group I read, they use the prefix:
    > TAN:Subject to indicate that they are going off on a
    > tangent and not sticking to the primary topic of the
    > group. That way, it is easy for others to overlook
    > those messages.
    >
    > Maybe we could give that a try?

Great idea!

We could xtend (sorry wrong list) it--for example when the reply only
approaches the thread, but never quite reaches it we could use ASY: (for
asymptotic--thank god it's not spelled "*Assymptotic)
Richard elGuru(tm) Howland-Bolton
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pagemakr
Subject: Re: PAGEMAKR LIST OUT OF CONTROL
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:52:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

PEAKE@UNCA.BITNET (I couldah been ah contendah...) writes:

>Felix Sung <fsung@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA> writes:

Perhaps we could devise a particular code to include in the header
of a message to indicate that it does not focus directly on technical
matters, but is more "chatty".

On another group I read, they use the prefix: TAN:Subject
to indicate that they are going off on a tangent and not sticking
to the primary topic of the group.  That way, it is easy for others
to overlook those messages.

Maybe we could give that a try?

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:52:01 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Quantum Physics
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Monte writes...

> Interestingly enough, I had a Mac LC with a 40 MB Quantum HD. It went out--was
> making a heck of a noise. I took it to the Apple dealership in town, and they
> replaced it with another Quantum 40 MB. Within a week that drive went out too.
> The dealer finally replaced it with another HD, which (fingers crossed)
> continues to work OK. Now, after reading these interesting posts, I'm
 wondering
> if that was the problem with my LC's hard drive. I bought it the January after
> the LC was first introduced. (Boy, look at prices now.)

Gee, I must be lucky.  We've had a couple of the actual Quantum drives that
Apple noted (sent me a literal notice) was potentially defective, but I've
never had one fail.  I'll come to the defense of Quantum too for anyone who
may be getting cold feet about buying their drives.  We run many Quantum
drives, from circa 1988 40 Mb to '92 230 Mb models and have never had any
problems with those drives.  I probably shouldn't have put that in print, you
never know what the gremlins read.



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** Jeff Bone                                <jbone@dopig.uab.edu>
** Electronic Imaging Coordinator             AppleLink: jbone
** Photography and Instructional Graphics   205.934.4396 voice
** University of Alabama at Birmingham      205.934.3749 fax
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:08:21 U
Reply-To:     Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
From:         Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      .pict no go
X-To:         PAGEMAKR%INDYCMS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu

From the readme PM4a file it reads:

PRINTING IMPORTED PICTS: PICTs created in Canvas 2.0 and 2.02, MacDraw, Math
Type, Smart Art, Type Align, and Microsoft Word 5.0's Equation Editor do not
print well from PageMaker 4.2.  PageMaker 4.2a fixes the problem, so that you
can correctly print PICTs created in any of these applications.

-----------------
Cindy, do you have the update?

Fran Holtsberry
fran_holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu
[Good design is not a default setting]
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From: ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle)
Subject: Unable to locate filters folder in Sys. 7
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:21:04 GMT

Can anyone tell me where the Aldus filters folder is supposed to
reside on System 7? Whether I put it in the extensions folder or loose
in the system folder, PM tells me it cannot find it. When I select the
filters folder, I'm told it's not valid.

I did not install the program or the filters folder, but copied them
via Localtalk from my Plus to my Powerbook.

-- 
		
				Rob Ehle
				Stanford University Press
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:21:40 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      The Quantum Leap
X-To:         BPorter@world.std.com, PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

BPorter wrote...

> sounds like she has one of the quantum drives that had the "stiction" problem.
> do you know what model/age the mac is???

I'll have to peruse the old tech notes to find that info.  I seem to remember
it only being a problem on 40 Meg Quantum drives that were installed in Mac
IIx and IIcx.  I don't have her original message, but I thought she was
having a problem with an SE (or SE/30).  Maybe she (Elena, I think) can note
what Mac it was and the age, because the Quantum specific problem is only
relevant in Macs with 40 Mb HDs built in late 1989 and early 1990.  This is
not to say that the symptoms or the problem could not occur in any hard
drive, nevertheless, it appears the general concensus is that there is
definitely a mechanical problem that should be looked at.

The solution regarding the screen saver is probably a good first check,
although my money's on mechanical prob.  Although tech guys often chase
rabbits while dodging the elephants.



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** Jeff Bone                                <jbone@dopig.uab.edu>
** Electronic Imaging Coordinator             AppleLink: jbone
** Photography and Instructional Graphics   205.934.4396 voice
** University of Alabama at Birmingham      205.934.3749 fax
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:39:01 PDT
Reply-To:     Jennifer Ovink <symbio!jennifer@CS.ORST.EDU>
From:         Jennifer Ovink <symbio!jennifer@CS.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Join list
X-To:         pagemakr@indycms.iupui.edu
X-cc:         jennifer@CS.ORST.EDU

I hope that this is the correct address to join
the PageMaker help list?

Are you located through Indiana University/Purdue
University/Indianapolis? Coming around to the
beginning... I grew up in Danville, Indiana. I now
live and work in Corvallis, Oregon.

I write documentation for a software firm here.
We mainly use FrameMaker but I use PageMaker
for many projects involving creative and on-the-fly
changing jobs.

Please add me to the list:
	symbio!jennifer@cs.orst.edu

Thanks,
Jennifer
Symbio Technologies
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:12:42 PST
Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Quantum Leap
X-To:         JBONE@dopig.uab.edu, PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.BITNET

Jeff and everyone,

Interestingly enough, I had a Mac LC with a 40 MB Quantum HD. It went out--was
making a heck of a noise. I took it to the Apple dealership in town, and they
replaced it with another Quantum 40 MB. Within a week that drive went out too.
The dealer finally replaced it with another HD, which (fingers crossed)
continues to work OK. Now, after reading these interesting posts, I'm wondering
if that was the problem with my LC's hard drive. I bought it the January after
the LC was first introduced. (Boy, look at prices now.)

Monte
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pagemakr
Subject: Re: Newsletter Seminar
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:44:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

PMCCORKL@PSUHMC.BITNET (Pam Mc) writes:

>I just received a flyer for a seminar titled, "Producing,
>Designing, Editing, & Writing Newsletters" to be offered at
>various locations from September 28 to December 15. It reads
>that anyone involved in planning, designing, writing, editing, or
>supervising newsletters will learn valuable ways to become more
>efficient (for fields such as personnel, sales, marketing, public relations,
>advertising, or fundraising).  You'll even receive a
>free diskett (IBM or Mac) of newsletter formats for use with
>Pagemaker, Quark Express, and Xerox Ventura.


I just wanted to jump in and say that I attended this seminar
in June and found it to be worthwhile.  Bring a copy of your
companie's newsletter and the instructor will critique it for
you.

I thought it was reasonably priced compared to other similar seminars
and they covered a broad base.  If you can spare some $$ from your
budget to attend such seminar, I would recommend this one.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:44:59 EDT
Reply-To:     JDFLET01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         JDFLET01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Subject:      InterNet access
X-To:         Pagemaker Listserv <PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.BITNET>,
              Quark XPress listserv <quarkxpr@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu>

I have just accepted a job "off-line" and am wondering af anyone can bring me
up to speed on InterNet access from dial up services. I see references to MCI
Mail in some of your addresses and I hear rumors that there is a gateway
through CompuServe. Do any of you exist on a non-InterNet site and still get
through? If so, would you be so kind as to e-mail me personally in the next
week or so and describe the hoops you have to jump through to do it? I have
come to really appreciate y'all and would like not to have to sever the
electronic umbilical cord completely. Thanks in advance and I HOPE this is
only "'Til we meet again." :-(

________________________________________________________________________
                     Jonathan Fletcher

  'NET: JDFLET01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU    "The reward for work well
               University Publications     done is the opportunity
              University of Louisville     to do more."
                 Louisville, KY  40292             --Jonas Salk
                   Voice: 502-588-6533
                     Fax: 502-588-7292
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:47:50 -0700
Reply-To:     mdsquier@MTU.EDU
From:         mdsquier@MTU.EDU
Subject:      Smaller printer area

Our department recently upgraded to PM 4.2 for Macintosh.  Some of the
forms we use were designed to use as much print area as possible.  However,
now with
the new PPD's, the print area is smaller.  I have tried using the Apple
driver
with "Larger Print Area" selected, but the print quality is NOT the same.
We are using an Apple Laserwriter IIg w/5meg RAM.  Perhaps there is
something I can do to the PPD file?

MD Squiers,
Educational Technology Services
Michigan Tech University
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From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with my Mac??
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:47:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


It sounds like you have an INIT conflict being caused by your
screen saver program (when it comes on the Mac crashes). Just
delete the screen saver from your hard disk.

Jim
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Original_cc:  STONEC
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:15:00 EST
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From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      a Pee Cee question for a PC PM person...

I'm starting a new PC PageMakr class at my night job, and my students are real
neophytes at a GUI environment.

I wnated to use the new on-line tutorial in Windows 3.1, but when I tried to ge
t it to go, it says it can't locate the files, when I checked they're all there
in the right windows sub-dir.  My classroom ou;there is in Novell netowrk setup
with about 20 machines.  But curren tly the PageMakr and Windows products
aren't on the network, they're on the hard drives.

The message reads:  Can not run tutorial wintutordat.exe can not be located ...

You can reply privately as this is kinda more windozey based question.

cindy stone

stonec@iubacs
stonec@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:57:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Ellen Lorang <0005403596@MCIMAIL.COM>
From:         Ellen Lorang <0005403596@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Speeding up printing (MAC)
X-To:         "pagemakr%INDYCMS.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu"
              <pagemakr%INDYCMS.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>

Thanks to all those who responded to my question about how to speed up
printing using lots of downloaded fonts (Jeff N., Jeff B., Henry). I
asked you whether I should buy SuperLaserSpool or more memory for my
NEC Silentwriter.

I did both, of course! First I tried SuperLaserSpool, which performed
as promised on simple documents, but refused to print my tabloid
pages with downloaded fonts (2 families, but 5+ fonts). So, I also
upgraded to 4 megs RAM, which not only prints faster in the foreground,
but allows SuperLaserSpool to churn away successfully.

Overall, I'm pleased. SLS is *mostly* unobtrusive, but I do notice some
degradation, although not nearly as much as PrintMonitor. It's slower
to turn out a page, so I turn it off when I'm in a hurry.

The RAM was $218, 3rd party mail order, if anyone with a SilentWriter
is interested. Easy to install.

One more question -- is there any advantage to downloading fonts if
I'm using SLS? I know in foreground printing there would be, but what
about with spooling?

Thanks, Ellen Lorang (elorang@mcimail.com)
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From: jbennett@netcom.com (Joseph Bennett)
Subject: Problem w/ PM4 on PC - Help
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 18:03:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


I am having a small problem with my PC and Pagemaker 4.0.  The problem only
began occurring after I upgarded to Win3.1.  The problem occurs when I take
my window down from full size any my background refreshes (I have a 256 color
background).  The problem is that the screen representation of my page goes 
to black (and other colors) on grey.

If I bring up the color modification window, and cancel, the screen seems to
refresh to the correct background color (white).  Does anyone have ideas?

Am I doing something wrong??  Any help would be appreciated.  I will post a
summary....Thanks.

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*           Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA              *
*                                                                            *
* "I have a fear of letting my mind wander, I'm afraid it won't come back"   *
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:58:00 EST
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From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      new printer for pm

A co-worker just got a new Hewlett Packard III P printer (a little tiny
crackerjack sized laser printer.)  She will be using Windows 3.1 and PC PM 4.0.
She has several questions and I promised I'd ask all of you on her behalf.

1.      Her printer has 3 megs of printer RAM and her CPU (a 386sx) has 4 megs
of computer RAM.  She's probably going to get more CPU ram, but so far all is
okay. Will the IIIP with 3 megs of printer ram (it has resident fonts in the
printer) be enough for most pagemakr pubs?  Years ago her complicated PM files
came out on 3and 4 pages of after filling the printer buffer repeatedly.  Will
this happen with 3 megs of printer ram?

2.      What's the font size range of scalable CG times and scaleable univers?
So far it's doing everything in all sizes?  Will it go 6-127 pt like a
postscript?

3.      Can you do reverse type on these new little HP's?

Thanks -- you can reply privately to me if you like.

cindy stone

stonec@iubacs
stonec@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:16:34 -0400
Reply-To:     seth tepfer <labst@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
From:         seth tepfer <labst@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      where ftp quality eps/picts?
X-To:         PAGEMAKR%INDYCMS.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

The subject really says it all. I am looking for quality eps, pict,
gif, or tiff format graphics. Any good suggestions for ftp sites -
excluding the standard sumex/rascal?????

I am looking for dtp - type graphics, to be used in graphic design, so
bit-mapped type pictures are not really desirable. Am I asking too
much? It's just that commercial packages cost almost $100. Are the
commercial packages worth it?
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From: halvork@dhhalden.no (HALVOR KISE)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pagemakr
Subject: Re: Internet address
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:31:17 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <PAGEMAKR%92082414254783@INDYCMS.BITNET> Larry Snodgrass <SNODGRAS@BITNIC.BITNET> writes:

>On Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:14:59 EDT you said:
>>Larry -- is there an official internet address for CCNEWS where people
>>can subscribe? Thanks, Wendy

>Yes, send a subscription request via email to listserv@bitnic.educom.edu
>Any userid@BITNIC address is the same as userid@bitnic.educom.edu

>Larry

>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>Hi:
>>
>>There are several INTERNET users who wish to subscribe to your list, and
>>were wondering if there was an INTERNET address available or perhaps a way
>>to link to the BITNET node.
>>
>>After today, I'll be away on vacation and would appreciate if you would
>>respond to PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.  Many thanks for your help.
>>
>>Laura
>>DOCWOMAN@PACEVM
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:50:00 ZONE
From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Underground/Progressive Music

Underground Music = Alternative to what is popular.  Best equation would
                    be likened back to late 60's when there was the regular
                    music on the radio and after 10 pm there came on the
                    "Underground Music" hour.


      I don't believe a definitive definition is available, which will lead
to a interesting discussion on what is Underground/alternative in todays
music culture because various people on this list will have alternative or
underground definitions for "Underground".

Steve Rife
(STEV@MCO)
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:15:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Stereolab

During my lunch hour tour of my local chain store today I spotted an
interesting, but alas expensive CD by a band called Stereolab.  The
instrumentation credits cited two people with playing Moog, one
doubling on Farfisi.  The store had made up a little sign for the
disc claiming Nico-like vocals and Moog washes; i.e. the kind of
thing I should love.  Has anyone here heard this band?  Is "Nico-like
vocals and Moog washes" an accurate description?

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:09:50 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      confessions

Not trying to start trouble but i confess IMHO Stairway To Heaven is
one of the most over rated tunes in the history of R&R and
Jimmy Page is one of the most over rated Guitarist. Excellent producer/
arranger though.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:19:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject: Re: other types of music
X-To:         allmusic@auvm.american.edu

Kevin said:

>Here's what I took to work with me today :
[.....]
>Maybe my tastes are too varied??

OK, here's the CDs in my case in order from top to bottom:

Boston - Third Stage
Color Me Badd - C.M.B.
Bob Marley - Legend
Queensryche - Empire
Firehouse - Firehouse
Queensryche - Rage For Order
Yanni - Reflections Of Passion
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Metallica - Metallica
Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
Tangerine Dream - Melrose
Holst - The Planets
Tangerine Dream - Lily On The Beach
Rush - Chronicles

Maybe a little more varied

...like you all really care.

Seeya,
Gary, I don't do Country
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