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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Talk, Talk, and Talk on....
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:47:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <skp3vsh@rpi.edu> by muhamo@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Omari Wakweli Muhammad):

> As I was saying in the summary, 
> 
> Just like talking is good for understanding, the  only thing worth talking 
> about is getting the fuck out of this country. That's the deal, and when we
> face reality, well see that we are better off seeking sources of understanding
> that will develop our values in a direction towards leaving this mother. 

If you know of any other place where Blacks have more effective freedoms and
guarantees of liberty, I'd sure like to hear about it.  When there's a jump
boot on the back of my neck and the muzzle of a rifle against my head, the
color of the foot in the boot and the finger on the trigger are of purely
academic significance to me.

> If we want to bitch about why we as a people are not getting everything and
> most of the necessities that we want and need in this society, then this is
> a good place to be. But if we want to move and take whats ours, then this place
> is a waste. I see people talking about sexuality, drugs, and race but who's 
> posing solutions? Are we all just going to keep reminding each other of the
> problems, or are we going to do something about them? Are we going to sit here
> and be critiques on the struggle or are we going to form some type of 
> planning unit to turn this mother out?
> 
The solutions have to come from within us.  You have to start with yourself.
Don't abuse drugs.  Don't steal.  Don't abuse your partner.  Don't abuse your
children.  Support your family.  If we we went to Nigeria and acted the way
that we often act here, the army would take us out in the woods and SHOOT
us.  If your problems come from within, moving them to a different place won't
solve them.

> If your a brother, don't waste too much time reading these files, because the
> true education is where your not expected to look...The LIBRARY. Seek knowledge
> there, and learn the elements required to get yourself started towards building
> your own nation....

Some of the best tips on reading material I've ever gotten were from usenet
and FidoNet.



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Christopher Morton
From: rabbi@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: AFRICAN-AMERICAN IDENTITY...?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:01:45 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center

HI EVERY ONE,
	I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE ABOUT A MATTER THAT HAS BEEN TROUBLING
ME FOR A WHILE. IT ALL STARTED WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE MINORITY GRADUATE 
STUDENTS ASSOCIATION AT MY SCHOOL. THE FIRST MEETING I ATTENDED WAS VERY
DISAPPOINTING. I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN:
	THIS GROUP WAS ENTENDED FOR ALL MINORITY STUDENTS TO ATTEND. WHEN I
ENTERED THE ROOM I HAVE FOUND OUT ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN BROTHERS WERE
ATTENDING, BY NO MEANS WAS THIS BAD, DISAPPOINTING, OR UNUSUAL SITUATION. I WAS 
SURPRISED BUT THAT IS IT. AFTER THE MEETING STARTED, ONE "ACTIVE" MEMBER START
TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED SINCE LAST MEEETING. HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT
SOME STUDENT GOVERNEMENT MEETING. HE STATED THAT THE HE WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED
ABOUT THE REPRESENTATION OF "BLACKS" IN THIS MEETING. HE SAID:
" GUYS, THERE WERE TWO BLAKCS STUDENTS OUT OF 200 STUDENTS." HE ADDED: "YES,
THERE WERE SOME "INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS", SOME AFRICANS BUT ONLY TWO BLACKS"
					=================
IN THE MEETING THERE WERE TWO AFRICAN BROTHERS. THEY WERE NOT HAPPY TO HEAR
ABOUT THIS SEPERATION. ONE OF THEM REPLIED:"ARE YOU SAYING THAT ONLY
AMERICAN-BLACKS ARE TRUE BLACK PEOPLE." THE OTHER AFRICAN BROTHER REPLIED BY
SAYING:"AFRICA IS THE BLACK MAN'S LAND AND THE SOURCE OF THE BLACK MAN."
        ===============================================================
WELL, I HAPPEN TO BE AN AFRICAN WHO IS NOT BLACK. MY FAMILY ORIGINE COULD BE
TRACED BACK TO THE ROMAN ERA. I WAS MAD TO HEAR ALL THIS TRASH. I SAID: " I AM
FROM AFRFICA, ARE SAYING IT IS NOT MY LAND ?" I WAS SO MAD THAT T DECIDED TO
LEAVE.
	NOW, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS TO ASK:

		WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR CLAIMING NATIONALISM AND RACISM ?
  
IS IT THE COLOR, LANGUAGE, CULTURE, FAMILY BACK GROUND, OR IS IT JUST THE EGO.

TWO MAKE THE PROBLEM EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, I WILL TELL WHAT HAPPENED TO ME THIS
PAST MONDAY. I HAVE RECENTLY AQUIRED MY AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. I DECIDED TO GO
AND CHANGE MY CITIZENSHIP STATUS TO BE REFLECTED ON MY SCHOOL RECORDS. I
DECIDED TO CLASSIFY MY SELF AS "AFRICAN-AMERICAN". I HAVE CHOSE THIS
CLASSSIFICATION FOR TWE REASONS. FIRST, I DO NOT WANT TO LOOSE MY AFRICAN
IDENTITY. I AM VERY PROUD OF IT. SECOND, I WANT TO REFLECT MY KNEW ADOPTED
AMERICAN IDENTENTY. I HAD NO OTHER MOTIVE. I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO HEAR FROM
SOME PEOPLE THAT I CAN NOT CHOOSE THIS CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE IT IS FOR
BLACK AMERICANS ONLY, AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THEY EXPECT A BLACK A
PERSON (AFRICAN-AMERICAN) AND INSTEAD THEY FIND ME (NOT BLACK!!!).
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS MATTER.

EXCUSE MY SPELLING. IT IS TERRIBLE.
							THANKS.

==================================
YOU CAN MAIL ME YOUR RESPONSE AT
==================================
RABBI@VMS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU)
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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A raspberry to Kolodney
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:52:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


 (norman miller) writes:

>If Gabrielle Daniels says she's a writer, I'll take her
>word for it.  But to unload such foolishness on Larry
>Kolodney (of all people) suggests that she don't read too
>good.
>Norman Miller



Have you considered the possibility that she might be saying th truth?


makala
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: tanning
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:35:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


 (Kent L. Shephard) writes:

>As an AfAm male I can assure you that mose AfAm know that we can and do get
>darker from sun exposure.  It takes quite a bit of being out in the sun for me
>to even slightly tan.   The darker a person is the longer it takes them to get
>even darker or burn.  In all my 30 years I have never had a sunburn and have
>never had my skin peel from being in the sun.
>-- 

As an African male, I have never heard of the above in Africans, though some
such as my young sister are light skinned (a randomly occuring phenomena in
Africa). All Africans I know do not change with the sun and have never ever
heard of sun burn....



makala
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Andrew Hacker in Palo Alto
Date: 28 Jan 1993 09:28:53 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>Sigh.  I haven't received a single "privilege" for being white in my
>life.  For that matter, I've consistently spoken out against white


I have to tell you that that is patently false Ted. Remember, if
someone prefers preferential treatment on you because you are
white, they are not going to tell you that that is the reason.

Some of these privileges are so slight that you probably wouldn't
even recognize them as such. Better terms on your car. No hassles
in finding an apartment where you like. Being trusted in stores.
Sure, none of these things directly played a role in your getting
to law school. But they are all a part of the package of being white.

One interesting aspect of being a black child raised by a white
mother is you get to observe these privileges that whites get
first hand. Your mother gets treated one way in almost every aspect
of life, from credit, to housing, to shopping. And when she takes
her son along, she becomes an honorary nigger.
 
>privileges, and male privileges for that matter -- I defy you to find
>a single post where I try to "sustain" white privileges.

I would defy him to do so also. I have always found you to be
a reasonable, logical contributor to this forum. 

>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 

Stanford S. Guillory
guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Dept. of amplification and corrections and vice versa
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:13:43 GMT

May I change my statement in part?  The proposition about large-
scale tool makimg as being at the heart of industrialization is
perhaps too sweeping.  It's true of the advanced stages only.

While clearing my driveway with a comparatively primitive tool
I thought some more about the relation between technology and
industrialization.  Not only is the latter utterly dependent on
the former; it also influences it.  Take the cloth market of the
"Middle Ages", by all accounts the most widespread market for
manufactured goods before the modern period.  We have to this day,
built into our language, a reminder of how various technologies
remained local even when the goods produced were sold widely.
The obvious ones we all know: damask, muslin, calico.  Add to them
such fabrics as jeans, denim, lisle, batiste (worth looking up),
and we see how it worked.  With industrialization we need only
program a loom to produce them all: an additional technology.

Maybe one other thing to say about technology before the modern
period.  It was there all right, but like my shovel it didn't
change very much.

Norman Miller
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: More raspberries for Kolodney
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:48:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


 (Stefan Michalowski) writes:

>
>I don't understand the peculiar desire that you (and others) have to
>multiply the numbers of the dead. 60 million Africans here, a million
>midwives there. Somebody recently tossed in a few hundred thousand
>Africans mowed down by British machine guns. Why can't we have some
>respect for those who actually suffered and died? Do we need an additional
>imaginary mountain of corpses before we know that we need to get our 
>act together?
>
>You and I live on different planets, Gabrielle. Mine is the third one
>from the Sun.
>
>S.

Leopold of Belgium was awarded Congo (Zaire) in 1887. He found 20 million
Africans there. By 1907 he had decimated 12 - 15 million...Even by the
dastardly starndard of Europe, this was so much that the colony was taken
away from him..

In 1961, Portuguese peasants in Angola went on rumpage killing 20 000 Afr
icans and drving 200 000 across the border into Zaire. 

In 1976, Boers mowed down school children in Soweto.....

In 1915, Germans mowed down all but 15% of the Herero population in Nami
bia....

In 1979, South Africa mowed down 400 villagers at Cassinga in Angola and
tried to bury them in one mass grave....

 In 1979, Ian Smith killed 1000 children at chikumbi UN refugee camp out
side Lusaka....

etc.......



is it coincidence ?



makala
From: taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Term "Biracial"
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:30:13 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hojo.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan27.195226.13985@Princeton.EDU>, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:

|> The real problem boils down to this: 1) White people will consider your
|> child black, no matter what she calls herself.  2) Black people will
|> usually perceive her as "biracial", depending on her coloring, features,
|> etc., but if they hear her calling herself "biracial", they'll assume
|> she's trying to distance herself from them.
|> 
|> I'm a white woman with two black daughters, ages 16 and 19.
|> 
|> Barbara Vaughan

If they are your daughters through birth, I commend you for having the understanding
(genetic understanding) to call them your two BLACK daughters.... 

Barney,

_________________________________________
NASA Computer Scientist / Software Engineer

The previous comments do not represent the
opinions of my employer or the government in
any part.

Hetep
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 09:01:26 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


> [.....]
> >You forgot to mention that they also made excellent cannon fodder in 
> >Angola...
> 
> False. They made cannon fodders out of white South AfriKKKans. Read the 
> current stuff on s.c.a.

They did? Then why were South African troops raiding Angola almost at 
will, by air *and* land, while aiding Jonas Savimbi's UNITA guerrillas 
against the Angolan government? Why, with all this help from the mighty 
Cuban armed forces, the Angolans were never able to crush Savimbi and go 
on about their business? Why did they feel compelled to negotiate with 
the man at all?  The cubans came, and died, and left. Savimbi and UNITA 
are still there, raising hell. Get real.

(As an aside, Mr. Savimbi, whom our CIA was funneling aid to as this 
supposedly staunch supporter of democracy in Angola, recently proved his 
love for democracy by rejecting the results of an apparently clean
election in which the Marxist government won and he lost. His response
was to return to the bush and restart the war. This is a hero of Western-
style democracy? Give me a break...)

> 
> >In a nation whose population is 60 percent black, there's one leading 
> >political figure...one...in a rubber-stamp legislature? Please...
> 
> Er..you made a branket statement saying there are none. I just had to produce
> a single counter-example. No?? Actually, there are many. But it's hard for yo
> to notice them since you are still fighting the cold war.
> 
Who are these many and what level of Cuban government do they occupy with 
any real power? As for Fidel's status as a communist, I personally
couldn't care less, but claims that the Cuban government is 
representative of its people ring*very* hollow.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Ron Brown
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:28:06 GMT

	Greetings,

	The Senate has just confirmed Ron Brown. 

			Carter

--

                     "There is a level of cowardice lower than that 
                      of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist."
                                               - Ayn Rand
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Mental Disorders in the African American Community Caused by American Slavery
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:15:28 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan26.020854.27525@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg) writes:
>
>Such bigotry!  If you want to be treated differently because your
>great-grandfather was a slave, don't complain if you're treated differently
>because of the color of your skin in general.
>
>						Matt Ginsberg
>
The point is we don't want to be treated differently, but because my
great-grandfather was a slave, I AM TREATED Diffferently. This is not my fault.
Equality is something that comes on all levels of respect-political, social,
economic, mentally, and culturally. 
Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: MALCOLM X: From An African-American
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:20:06 GMT

taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor) writes:

>There is no need to feel that there are no leaders today with the charisma (sp) of the 
>previous mentioned leaders of the sixties, because there are. Some of which are
>Dr. Leonard Jeffries, Dr John H. Clarke, Ivan Van Sertima, Dr. Yosef ben-Jochannan,
>Asa Hilliard, and many more. The statement that everyone is afraid to take the
>initiative is not founded. It should be noted though, the media is a movement's worst
>enemy. So it is only wise on our part, and smart on the part of those who are against Pan-Africanist, black nationalist, etc., not to nationally support our leaders via 
>media.

This is strictly subjective, but I have trouble thinking of the people
mentioned as having the "charisma" of Malcolm, Huey, et al, anymore than
I can think of, say, Branford Marsalis as being in the same category
as Trane. But I seem to recall that Stokeley Carmichael (who I heard speak
last year, and who is a truly great survivor of that generation) said
that there are still great leaders (Jesse, Farrakhan, himself), but
we have somehow lost the organizing principles that once pervaded our
culture. Its interesting you should say that the media is a movement's
worst enemy. There is a beautiful line in X where Elijah Muhammed warns
the young Malcolm that the camera is the most intoxicating narcotic.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: WHITE CHRISTMAS
Keywords: WHITE CHRISTMAS
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: global
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:52:58 GMT


Muhammed Ali made a fool of himself on the Donahue show in 1978.

He was arguing that the country was implicitly racist, saying

"Look at that White Jesus on the wall!"

The only Jesus on the wall was a Jew

(That's "hymie" to all of you Jesse Jackson RAINBOW-SOULJAh's)

Now so many of you make the same bufoonal error here.

Let us not forget that Christmas celebrates the birth of the
Jesus of Nazareth. We are all sorry that he could not be black,
but God decided he couldn't be white either.

But then again, what IS black and white?

Muhammed Ali had an excuse: too many blows to the noggin.

What's your excuse?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:14408 talk.politics.misc:70125
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:34:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>
>Cuba's only survived because 25% of their income was in Soviet subsidies.
>Now that Russia isn't trying to embarass the US anymore, Cuba's economy
>will go the way of other communist countries, and collapse.
>

Uh huh, oh, I see. What would happen if we applied the same test to
Israel???



makala




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.correct,soc.history
From: glhewitt@bathe.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt)
Subject: Re: Columbus/Slaves
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 20:25:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan14.154900.1115@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>I believe examination of the American Great Plains indicate that it was once
>the 'Great Inland Forest' (a typical deciduous crown forest). It was burned
>off by the Indians several thousand years ago in an old method of hunting 
>buffalo.

Wow -- what are the great plains, a few hundred thousand square miles?
Man, now I know why the dinosaurs went extinct!  Global cooling because
of all the smoke that fire caused! :-)

I've heard that it's the meadows of Kentucky that were created by
large-scale Indian burnings, but I never heard the great plains.  I
doubt that large-scale deciduous crown forests could grow on the
10-or-so inches/year of the high great plains.

Gary
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From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: tanning
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:32:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

As an AfAm male I can assure you that mose AfAm know that we can and do get
darker from sun exposure.  It takes quite a bit of being out in the sun for me
to even slightly tan.   The darker a person is the longer it takes them to get
even darker or burn.  In all my 30 years I have never had a sunburn and have
never had my skin peel from being in the sun.
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