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From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again (was Re: Preamp and Amp)
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:17:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: BBN
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1190792@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt
Strain) wrote (to jj):
  ...
> them.  That's why people spend upwards of $25K for a turntable system,
> TO REMOVE THE UNWANTED DISTORTIONS, GET IT?!!!!!!  Prejudiced technical-only
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> people like yourself never do get it.  They're too busy making pronouncements
 ...
> What the hell is so inaccurate about me saying I can't hear something, or
> at least there's nothing I can tell is there bothering me?  You simply want
                                               ^^^^^^^^^

Will you please, please, please, pick up your dictionary and look up the
word 'euphonic'! From the Greek 'eu', meaning 'good' and 'phone', meaning
'sound'. It means 'pleasing to the ear'.

If the distortions are pleasant, they would not be *unwanted* or
*bothersome* -- unless it merely offends some puritanical ideal rather than
your ears.

You seem to be reacting to jj as if he is suggesting that there is some
awful sound in your LPs, and that he's telling you that you this awfulness.
That is not the case. Euphonic distortions don't sound like distortion.
They can sound like 'depth', and 'smoothness', and 'spaciousness', or other
agreeable qualities.

I'd like to play with some of these effects using CD recordings if I get a
chance. If I like the results, then the hell with The Absolute Sound [note:
I used an 'l' and not an '!' :-) ], I'll add the distortion and be happy.

-Kerry
From: starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: how MiniDisc sounds
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:52:15 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <2787@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> nm1@ukc.ac.uk (N.McBride) writes:
>I honestly thought it sounded terrible. Really bad. The
>treble was just falling apart, timing and `drive'
>were very poor, and the bass weak. All in all extremely nasty.
>To me it sounded like the original CD players - but worse.
>It really did not give as good a sound as a half decent
>Walkman. I'll be intersted to hear one as part of a hifi.

Funny. I listened to one about 2 weeks ago and got the exact impressions
you did. I was not impressed. Only difference with your test listen and
mine is that I unplugged their demo headpones and used my own SONY MDR-V6's
which pretty darn good headphones.


>Would you buy one?

Never. And for more reasons than just the bad sound.

-Alan Waterman
From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Bad CD Remastering (was: Comments on analog music)
Followup-To: rec.audio
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:10:05 GMT
Organization: BBN
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1993Jan25.203551.7856@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv
Naimpally) wrote:
> Agreed. There are lots of horror stories about the early days of
> CD when companies would find a 'master' tape and rush it out on CD.
> There were some complete disasters. Some of the tapes were backups
> and several generations old and not the original masters. I heard
> of some that were done using master tapes that had RIAA equalization !
> Ouch ! 

One of the favorite examples of bad mastering from the early days of CD was
Jethro Tull's _Aqualung_. Does anyone know if this has been re-remastered?
I know that even the original LP was murky, but I would hope that the
original multitracks are still around. Someone like Mobile Fidelity should
have a go at it. (Of course, maybe they feel it's hopeless and would mar
their reputation.)

-Kerry
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: dans@panix.com (Dan Simoes)
Subject: How to add inputs to a receiver
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:38:44 GMT


I have an older Onkyo receiver (TX35) that I like, but it has one flaw - 
too few inputs for components.  I currently have a CD player and tape deck,
and it's tapped out except for the 'phono' which doesn't work with other
components (why???).

I thought of adding a mixer, but I'd rather get a new receiver in that case.
I'm looking for a cheap solution.  Someone at work suggested adding a 'y'
rca plug and hooking 2 into one, claiming it should work as long as only
one component is on at a time (in this case, the new one is a VCR).

Any (cheap) ideas?  Or suggestions for a 50wpc, remote Denon or Onkyo receiver,
together with a buyer for my unit? :-)

| Dan |
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From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Dolby S vs. DCC etc.
Keywords: nr, compression
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:47:01 GMT
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)

In article <1993Jan27.214034.12304@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.201538.22693@viewlogic.com> bobdavis@scumbag.viewlogic.com (Bob Davis) writes:
>>I do think lossless or nearly lossless compression approaches are worth
>>looking into, but the approaches used in DCC and MD formats don't qualify.
>
>I presume everyone knows that one unstoppable event is digital radio
>and this will use lossy compression (bit-rate reduction) that is
>similar to that in DCC - unstoppable because of bandwidth
>restrictions.  I presume this means that digital radio will be
>condemned for a long time to being less than an ideal medium.

				The same could be said for Dolby SR-D
(six channel digital sound for 35mm and 70mm motion picture release
prints).  Given the need for six discrete channels and the limited
bandwith available, lossy compression is almost inevitable.  I've heard
the SR-D format in the Dolby Labs screening room, and, while it seems
impressive, I've not had the chance to hear the same material
uncompressed, so I can't really say how it compares.  The AC-3
compression scheme is available outside the SR-D format, though, so
informal tests might be possible.

				What's also interesting is how good the
regular Dolby SR analogue cinema sound format sounded in the Dolby Labs
screening room.  Obviously, we can't expect most commercial theatres to
have a noise level of NC-12, but they (Dolby) stressed that the
conventional analogue format can be better than people tend to give it
credit for.

				It seems that there will often be
situations where compression, even lossy compression, is needed.  I'm
not altogether convinced that digital tape decks are one of them,
though.  Given that prerecorded material is available on CD, and DAT
machines are widely available for less $$$$ than DCC decks (+ are *much*
more widely accepted in pro situations), the motives behind the DCC and
MD are highly questionable.

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From: dbl10@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Dominic B LoTempio)
Subject: Re: DAT, MD, DCC war
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:33:54 GMT


	Now that this format war has won me over on DATs, I have a few
questions about them:

	1)  Can you record a track onto a DAT that spans the break between
sides? (Do DATs even have two sides?)  For instance, if I recorded a 90
minutes song on a 90 minute tape, could it play back uninterupted?

	2)  What is the concensus on portable DAT players?  I am
considering buying one (not to go jogging with or anything) and I am
curious as to how their performance conpares to a deck model.  The only
DAT player that was ever demoed to me was a Sony deck DAT player (the only
on I've ever seen) and the track seek time was quite acceptible.  How is
it on a portable?

	3)  Are there any pre-recorded DAT left from the Sony consumer
push a few years ago???  I remeber seeing just a few of them when they
first came out, mostly classical recordings.

	4)  Does anyone have recommendations on deck or portable DAT
players < $600???  (i.e. non-professional system)

Thanks for the help...
From: tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Speaker recommendations
Keywords: speakers, audio
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:10:53 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <C1Gv5I.7o6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> droberts@aquila.astro.uiuc.edu (Doug Roberts) writes:
>Doug Roberts
>droberts@sirius.astro.uiuc.edu

Yep, without speakers, your system won't sound like much.
--
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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:16:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad CD Remastering (was: Comments on analog music)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

Kerry Shetline: wrote:
>In article <3340423@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk
>Lindstrom) wrote:
>> Read an Interesting article today in the funnies, uh Stereophile I mean,
>> while on the can (loo for Shane).  Seems the guy was reviewing XLO or
>> something cables and discussed how they made his base sound "faster"!!!!
>> I haughed so hard, the mess almost hit my feet!
>
>Was this the December issue? I remember reading a review of various cables
>(I believe that XLO was among them) that had me in a fit because the
>descriptions of the sound were so ludicrous. I wish I had checked to see
>who the author was. Do you happen to know?
>
>-Kerry
>----------
>
No, I don't offhand remember the author, does it matter?  8-), but it
was the Dec.  '92 issue.  Funny how he talks about how the cable is most
noticable between source and preamp, but then he feels the need to
rewire his WHOLE system with the same manufacturers cable.  Sure makes
objective A/B/xing difficult.  For my experiements I hook cables to the
CD variable and fixed outputs and select with my preamp selector switch
(with levels matched).  If I apply his logic with my Yamaha DSP-E1000,
I'm sure I'd get different results with the Yamaha speakers than I do
with my a/d/s/ M15 mains, AltecLansing rears, Infinity RS10 FEs and Mirage
center etc.  speakers I am now using.

Who has the money, room or desire to get 7 identical speakers?  When I 
read a review, I'd like to hear how possibly upgrading to the component 
under review would effect my overall listening pleasure.  The sort of
review like the above is worthless except for entertainment value and
wiping up any mess...

Kirk out
From: d89marho@und.ida.liu.se (Martin V. Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: books needed about building speakers and amps.
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:06:02 GMT
	<1993Jan21.231041.11249@a.cs.okstate.edu>
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkping, Sweden

In article <1993Jan21.231041.11249@a.cs.okstate.edu> worley@a.cs.okstate.edu (WORLEY LAWRENCE JA) writes:

   There is a very good book (if you like the technical, nitty-gritty, 
   mathematical model/formalas) called "Speaker Design Cookbook" or something
   like that.
   The book is about $25, and is in it's second edition.
 

The book is called "The Speaker Design Cookbook" and is written by
Vance Dickasson.  It costs $22.95 (give or take $1) and it is in its
4th edition.

/mvH

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From: pmw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Po-min Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony CFD-757 vs.Panasonic RX-DS45. Which is better?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:10:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: maelstrom.berkeley.edu

One more thing.  Does anyone know what is the cheapest price around for these
two models?  The cheapest I know so far for both models are $299.99.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: roth@3d.enet.dec.com (Jim Roth)
Subject: Re: Bose Bunk, was Re: Bose Speakers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 22 JAN 93 16:07:50    


In article <1993Jan21.193553.11537@schbbs.mot.com>, bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis) writes...
>In article <bill.727572363@sarge> bill@verdix.com (William Spencer) writes:
>>DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan17.053823.1378@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>>>> .... many many other levels deleted ...

Just curious - does the good doctor know about the existance of this
newsgroup?  [And, no, I'm not going to tell him!!!  He'd no doubt
try and shut us down!]

- Jim
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:42:27 CST
From: <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Help, need more bass

Hi,

I have an Aiwa NSX350 bookshelf system that I like very much except I would
like to get more bass out of it.  The output is 30 watts at 6 ohms.  I talked
to the so-called "expert" at Cambridge Soundworks to see if it could power
their Ensemble II system but she couldn't tell me anything at all.  Then I
went to the audio store and the salesman just put his nose up in the air and
said he onlys deals with "high-end" sound equipment.  Since then I've wondered
if an unpowered subwoofer like the Cerwin Vega 12-inch subwoofer would work
without blowing the amp.  I'd appreciate any viewpoints or experiences.  Please
E-mail it,though,and I'll post if there's a large response.  Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gre253@its.csiro.au (Steve Green)
Subject: Roll on the argument :-) ( was Re: Enough w/LP v.s. CD! )
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: Comms group, ITS branch, CSIRO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:31:12 GMT

In article <shetline-210193113122@128.89.19.74>, shetline@bbn.com (Kerry
Shetline) wrote:
> 
> In article <199301211433.AA11230@europa.eng.gtefsd.com>,
> whiting@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (claude whiting) wrote:
> > either side. Let's stop wasting bandwidth and time on this silly argument. 
> > Face it, some people love cd's, others love their lp's. Leave them alone!
> 
> If someone merely expresses a preference, it doesn't bother me a bit. But
> when the statement of preference is coupled with bogus technical arguments
> and unjustified attacks of the other side, it is quite reasonable to want
> to respond.
> 

[ stuff about arguing about CDs vs LPs deleted ]

I really enjoy reading the CD vs LP, analog vs digital threads. What a bun
fight ! :-)

Both sides get so wound up that they forget to just relax and listen to the
music.

Keep it up guys!  I enjoy a good fight - especially when neither side can
win!

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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Your opinions
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:09:11
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: bg@stein.u.washington.edu's message of 26 Jan 1993 05:00:38 GMT

In article <1k2ghmINNbo5@shelley.u.washington.edu> bg@stein.u.washington.edu (Bill Whitson) writes:

   *Reciever - 80 to 100 watts no surround neccesary. max $300

NAD 7225 or whatever their low end receiver is -- 25 wpc, but it has a
lot more in reserve than most low end receivers.  $250 or thereabouts, I
think.

   *6+1 CD Player - max $300

I have a Sony carousel changer that I paid $280 for maybe 3 years ago
that I'm very happy with; others may have other opinions.  I like
carousel changers because it means no fiddling with those cartridges,
but it's a matter of taste.

   *2 cassette deck - with Dolby B&C, seek capability.  max $200

   *Equalizer - max. $200

That's asking a lot, I think, on the cassette deck.  Punt the EQ (with a
good quality receiver and good speakers you won't need it) and apply the
money you save to buying two single cassette decks, or perhaps a good
double deck.

   *Turntable - I have a lot of records and I'd like a good one. max $250

Dunno, but other people will have ideas.

   *Speakers - 80-100 watts with decent sound reproduction, no crappy
		   paper mids etc.  max $400

Any of the smaller Paradigms should suit your needs -- that price range
sounds like the 3se or maybe 5se.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Subject: Re: turntable to aux input black box wanted.
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:49:46 GMT

In article <185062@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
> In article <1jjkcbINN9fs@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> rbatt@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Richard Batt) writes:
> >
> >Hi!
> >
> >I would like to connect a record player turntable to a hi-fi system that
> >only has an 'aux' input.  I understand that this cannot be done directly
> >as the signal 'levels' are different  (I'm not sure in what way).
> >Does anyone have information about doing this.  For example can you buy
> >a black box that will act as a 'converter' or could an audio technician
> >make up such a thing?
> >
>     Depends on your record player.  Try a high end dealer in your
>     area.  Many still carry battery powered phono preamps...but all
>     the ones I've seen lately are for moving coil cartridges.

MCM Electronics distributes parts and such in the U.S.A.; I don't know if
they do business elsewhere.

Their current catalog has a "phono preamp" for $12.95; it takes the
output of a stereo cartridge and amplifies it to line level, with
RIAA equalization.  And it's A.C. line powered.

For build-your-own folks, the National Semiconductor linear databook
used to (probably still does) contain schematics of phone preamps
using their op-amps.  Or copy the circuit in an existing commercial
product.
From: sr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (s. satya vardhan reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: What happen to dbx?
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:42:04 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


What ever happen to the dbx noice cancellation. I believe that it is still
better than Dolby S or Dolby HX Pro. I bought two tape decks with it in the
middle 80's but I don't even hear of it anymore.

	sr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: ryu@husc8.harvard.edu (William Ryu)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Radioshack Subwoofer (don't laugh...)
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:56:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.ryu.727901806


	I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with the
Radio Shack subwoofer/Minimus 7 combination.  I've been suffering and
saving for a better system and have been using just a pair of Minimus 7's,
but it looks like that I won't enough money until after college (1.5 yrs)
to spend on a new system.  I'm wondering if I should buy the Shack
Subwoofer before I die of bass starvation.  I'd appreciate suggestions for
other subwoofer solutions, but my budget makes my options very limited.

Will Ryu
husc.harvard.edu
From: dd36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel M. Deright)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Thiele cs2.2 opinions wanted...
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cfNB6fS00iV0A_nXQl
Organization: Junior, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


In regards to the Theil CS2.2's (it is spelled Theil, by the way)  I
listened to them extensively when I purchased speakers about a year ago.
 The CS2.2's are amongst the top five speakers of all of those I have
ever heard (others include the Theil SCS's (which I purchased) and both
the Wilson products)  The dynamic range was astounding.  Theil's are
famous for absolutely transparent midrange and fantastic imaging, and
the CS2.2's add quite a bit of base extension to this.  I listened to
them set up very carefully in a dedicated listening room driven by a
pair of Audio Research 120 monoblocks getting its source from a Krell cd
player, Theta Pro Gen III d/a converter all through a AR LS 2 pre-amp.
(not my usual system :^(   They absolutely blew me away, if I could have
fit them in my room correctly, I would have walked out with them.  

        In the end, my pick would obviously be th 2.2's, but any of the
loudspeakers will do a fine job of musical repoduction.  You might also,
if you have the room and are not a bass freak, look at the Martin Logan
Sequel II's.  By far the best midrange and treble I have heard for under
ten grand.


                                happy, happy-
                                        -sodapop



                    
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: torgd@tolstoy.lerc.nasa.gov (Russell DeAnna)
Subject: For Sale: Nakamichi BX-150 Cassette Deck
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:11:21 GMT

Nakamichi BX-150 Cassette Deck:  $240.00
2-head, 2-motor
timer recording avialable
variable output level
Dolby B and C

   I had this deck listed for sale in November.
It sold for  $240.00, but the buyer discovered a problem with the
rewind and returned it to me.  The rewind motor has been replaced with a
new motor.  The deck is now operating perfectly.
It has just been returned from the shop where the
bias and other adjustments were made.

   The deck is 8 years old; although, it has not
been used in the past 4 years.  It was not used
significantly in the first 4 years either.  Conseqently,
the deck is in excellent condition. 
 
   If interested, call or send e-mail.

--
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  E-mail:  torgd@tolstoy.lerc.nasa.gov 
  phone:  (216) 433-3385
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: dupliss@lonestar.utsa.edu (Keith R. Duplissey)
Subject: Test (Title/Subject)
Summary: Summary
Keywords: Test keyword
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: sa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:18:35 GMT

  This is a test post.

  Please ignore.



  end.
From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:45:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: BBN
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <3340423@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk
Lindstrom) wrote:
> Read an Interesting article today in the funnies, uh Stereophile I mean,
> while on the can (loo for Shane).  Seems the guy was reviewing XLO or
> something cables and discussed how they made his base sound "faster"!!!!
> I haughed so hard, the mess almost hit my feet!

Was this the December issue? I remember reading a review of various cables
(I believe that XLO was among them) that had me in a fit because the
descriptions of the sound were so ludicrous. I wish I had checked to see
who the author was. Do you happen to know?

-Kerry
Newsgroups: rec.audio