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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:30:57 GMT

In <1ihv50INNeg1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) writes:

> 
>In article 726386491@cunews, abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>>
>>Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
>>Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
>>were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
>>was dead. Have I overlooked anything?
>>
>Well... Spock died and then came back to life.  Perhaps the Vulcan captain
>did the old mind meld thing with one of the Saratoga's crew before he was blown
>into little pieces.  That crewmember escaped and managed to return to
>Star Fleet HQ.  Star Fleet then used the transporter trace to construct
>a new body for the Vulcan, took the crewmember and the new body to the
>Vulcan temple in Star Trek III, and voila!  Vulcan reincarnation!  

I would almost buy that (this is Science Fiction after all) except that the
Captain died VERY suddenly. (In mid-speech in fact.) Now if you were to say
that before Wolf 359, the Captain visited the planet where Roger Croby made
his robotic clones, made one of himself which either died at Wolf 359 or
ended up at the Academy then I'd accept that!

No I wouldn't!!! But it would at least be "possible". :)

Alan Bick



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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:21:53 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <07JAN93.05127286.0058@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B7QT@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7QT000) writes:
>Marinina Sirtis had to wear a corset to make her
>look thinner in order to look sexier (and uncomfortable) in her
>uniform (or not a uniform, we'll see in the next new episode).
>Did you get a load of the iron maiden corset this poor woman
>has to wear???  WHY!!!! For what purpose??

Was Marina Sirtis in Space Rangers? I didn't see the show, but
I have a hard time believing that she would be in both ST:TNG and
Space Rangers.

Thanks,
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon)
Subject: Re: Re: 28 Re: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:32:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.202120.8184@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>>> The only Ambassador class starship to appear on TNG was the
>>> Enterprise-C
>>>
>>>                                           -=Road Warrior=-
>>
>>Other Ambassador class ships are the USS Horatio from "Conspiracy" (not
>>seen), USS Excalibur from "Redemption", USS Zhukov from "Data's Day" and
>>one seen in DS9.
>
>I stand corrected.
>
>                                       -=Road Warrior=-
I believe this information is incorrect. Perhaps you are confusing
Ambassador Class starships (the Enterprise-C in 'Yesterday's
Enterprise') with Excalibur Class sarships (the Excelsior in Star Trek
III: The Search for Spock)
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
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Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:21:49
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu's message of 4 Jan 93 21:36:57 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Jan 93 21:36:57 GMT, ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) said:

ac999239> As far as I can tell, as of now no fox stations in my area
ac999239> are carrying DS9 here in Baltimore...Only an Independant
ac999239> station and a Washington channel are carrying it. Not that
ac999239> I'm complaining, but since the fox stations are carrying the
ac999239> normal ST:TNG why not the DS9 as well?

A FOX station here in MA. is carrying it.

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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
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Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:59:37 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1isn7qINNaok@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:
>
>   Steven... you're ignorance is truly remarkable.  Michael is widely regarded
>   as one of the most intelligent, unbiased reviewers in this group.  
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There's a mouthful, since when are reviewers unbiased. I guess that's a
can of worms I don't want to get into.

I think Michael has always set standards too high for ST to achieve.
(ST in all its forms has rarely strayed from it's formulaic style of
presentation. And when it does stray it usually steps very lightly
before returning to the beaten trail.)  That's his choice, but it
usually means he's bound to be somewhat disappointed. His reverence
and nostalgia for TOS has influenced his views of recent ST
incarnations. But the standards he sets for DS9, TNG, and TFS have
rarley been met by TOS, in my opinion of course.

Suffice it to say that DS9's pilot doesn't suffer from the fault's
that TNG's pilot did.  They had 6 years of production to take advantage
of.  But besides that, I thought that the character exposition was 
handled much better in DS9's pilot than TNG's.  DS9's character revelations
(with the exception of Odo's during the climax) was handled matter of
factly, and not thrown in our faces as was done in TNG.  I thought that
DS(9 succeeded much better in that respect than Michael apparently did.

Neat effects, too.

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From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Keywords: data brent spiner stargazer 
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:57:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.000020.10962@utoday.com> billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) writes:
>"Old Yellow Eyes Is Back," by Brent Spiner And The Stargazers (Stewart, Frakes, 
>Dorn & Burton). Unfortunately, they didn't mention the label it's on or where it's 
>available.
>    Does anyone out there know where I can acquire this gem? Shops in the New 
>York City/Long Island area, or perhaps by mail?

I saw it at a Star Trek Convention. Try one of those if one is coming to a
city near you and/or all else fails.
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From: dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff)
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:22:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.091937.6425@desire.wright.edu> byork@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.154539.1254@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think Counseler Troi should always be in that blue uniform. Not for nothing,
>> I think she looks MUCH better in the uniform than that purple outfit.
>> 
>> 
>> Rakesh Patel
>
>
>Yes, she does. As a matter of fact just about everyone I know agrees. I'm
>tired of that gross-looking outfit that does nothing to make her look good.
>I'm also tired of seeing breast shots of her in that purple outfit.
>               Barry

Everyone I've talked to agrees also!  That blue uniform is a great
color for her.  She looks more professional - someone whose advise
I would take more seriously (IMHO).  And the blue goes well with 
her hair and eyes.  I like it!

-Lauri
From: james.yaklin@cutting.hou.tx.us (James Yaklin) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Use of "sir"
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: james.yaklin@cutting.hou.tx.us (James Yaklin) 

AG>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
AG>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the origina
AG>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
AG>specific instances.

The only thing that comes to mind is in TWOK, Captain Kirk refers to
Saavick as Mr. Saavick.

Uhura never really gave any orders and so I don't think it ever happened
in TOS.
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:52:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <C0H4pB.CM2@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:

>Don't kid yourself all organizations hedge their bets when they assign new 
>managers (or in this case a Captaincy). If the tasks an organization is
>to perform is vital to survival hedging is imperative. Also politics being
>what it is it is almost happenstance that competance is considered at all.

The US Navy already has program and a name for such Captains-in-training.
It's called "Executive Officer."  Sound familiar?

Hint: it's the job Riker's filled for the last five years.
From: rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Edward Timlin)
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Subject: Re: DS9 Uniforms
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:17:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfHovb200WB8Qv=IpM
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


     Another thought is that all previous "space stations" we have seen are
either research outposts (not relevant) or STARBASES (where we see people in
standard Starfleet uniforms). A starbase is no rinky-dink outpost (ok, DS9 is
quite large, but not compared to a spacedock) out on the frontier. It's a big
don't-mess-with-me command/supply/repair base *very* capable of defending
itself (unless you're an energy-draining whale probe :-)

     Anyway, the point is that the idea that the new DS9 uniforms may be
specifically for space station personnel is still valid. DS9 is the first
installation of its kind that we have seen. Starbases, like starships, are all
primary starfleet duty assignments, so it makes sense they'd have the same
uniforms. But DS9 is different. After all (harking back to another thread), DS9
is run by a commander, whereas the people in charge of starbases all have
ranks ABOVE captain (the lowest I know of is commodore, but many have admirals)

     Just another opinion to roast on the fire...

                                                  -Robb Timlin
                                                   rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
From: goertzen@unixg.ubc.ca (Leslie Goertzen)
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Subject: Picard's new rank?
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:57:30 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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Keywords: pips, joke, promotion

	I must apologize if this has already been hashed around the group,
	but did anyone else see Picard wearing five (5) pips on his collar
        in his final scene with Sisko in the DSN premiere the other night?
	My friend and I both swear we saw it, but I can't believe no one here
	wouldn't have picked it up.


        Sam
From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Exposure
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 17:27:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Ok--
>
>Just saw the premiere for Star Trek:  Deep Space Nine, and the character of
>Dr. Julian Bashir has prompted me to ask:  who's going to write the obligatory
>ST:DS9/NEXP crossover?  C'mon!  It'll be easy...
>
>                Dr. Bashir  ---  Joel Fleischmann
>                Kira Nerys  ---  Maggie O'Connell
>                Ben Sisko   ---  Maurice Minnefield
>                Odo         ---  Chris Stevens
>                Quark       ---  Holling?
>                Jazdia Dax  ---  Shelly?
>                O'Brien     ---  Dave?  :-)
                                  ^^^^
                                  No! Ed.
                                  

>Sean C. Duncan
       
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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 03:27:49 -0500 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9


     Regarding Trills not being able to use the transporter...

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     Well, they've already blown it. Old Jadzia is beamed aboard the station
inside that orb-like thing that flies out of the wormhole. They can sorta get
away with it since she was encased in this weirdo-alien thing which may have
protected her (it? The symbiote inside). Personally, I'm just waiting for
them to completely blow it and for her to just beam someplace normally.
     Of course, there are a number of rationalizations in that event:

     (1) I think in the TNG episode which introduced the Trill, the point was
         made that the symbiote would be killed because the transporter
         biofilter would mistake it for a harmful organism and dispose of it.
         So the first possibility is that the old Cardassian transporters on
         Space Heap Nine don't have an advanced biofilter (seems like a dumb
         idea not to). But this is blown if she beams using any Fed transporter
         (like on a runabout). So...

     (2) Biofilters have been upgraded to recognize the Trill and NOT destroy
         the symbiote (reasonable once the Feds learned of their nature). Could
         stick a throwaway line in with them about to beam somewhere and Dax
         protest, then have O'Brien calm her saying "Oh, we fixed that. The
         biofilter now recognizes and safely passes Trill."

     I guess what happens is dependent upon how closely the creator of the
Trill monitors their use in stories. I'm still betting they forget about it
completely and have Dax beaming left and right. (Probably get one of the above
explanations in the DS9 Tech Manual, if ever created.)

     Of course, if the biofilter would nail a Trill, why wouldn't it nail the
bugs in "Conspiracy"? I know the concept existed back in TNG's first season
because they mention it in "The Naked Now", don't they? The answer, of course
is that the universe forgot about the biofilter so the whole plot would work
(otherwise, all the "infected" people would be identified immediately because
of their refusal to transport, and one beaming cures 'em). 'Course they would
erroneously peg McCoy as an alien, but... :-)

                                                      -Robb Timlin
                                                       rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:27:04 GMT

:   In the Army, subordinates address women by rank or by "ma'am" (it sounds
:   terrible and most women hate it - but that's the protocol."

    A follow-up:

    Cadets are addressed as "Mister".  Since women cadets are not married
    it's appropriate to call them "Miss".  (At West Point a cadet is not
    allowed a horse, a mustache, nor a wife(spouse)).

    When Cadets are training with regular army units - all personnel are
    instructed to address them as "Cadet", "Mister", or "Miss".  As in
    "Mister Jones, you're on the wrong objective." -or- "Miss Smith you have 
    your parachute on backwards."  (and they are to be treated as 'third'
    lieutenants.)

    As much as I enjoy the portrayal of military protocol and the sometime
    rigid superior-subordinate relationships - the use of "sir", and "mister"
    in addressing Starfleet women - is uncomfortable to me.  

    Company-grade officers (lieutenants and captains) are usually addressed
    as "mister" only by ranking field-grade officers (majors, colonels, and
    generals) and then usually only in a condescending or patronizing manner.

    


   
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Subject: John Becker...
From: jmeyer@catarina.gac.edu (Jennifer R Meyer)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:52:27 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
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Sorry....someone has brought it to my attention that Purdue is in  
Indiana...oh well...like any of them know where Gustavus is...=)
					Jennifer
From: Scott_Bircher@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Scott Bircher)
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Subject: Help
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:25:37 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

Ok, here one for you die-hard ST fans. 

There is a company out there(?) called the Intergalatic Trading Company. 
They sell all manner of SF-related material. In particlular, several
models. 
Now, what I am looking for is the 1-800 number. The advertised for several
weeks on the Sci-Fi channel. I wrote the number down and now can't find it.
If anyone has it, could you please post it!! Thanks, S


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From: asweeney@camelot.transfer.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney)
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Subject: RE: DS9: 'Emissary' *Spoilers*
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:23:49
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>(Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
> This I like.  It was almost painful to watch TNG right after the two wonderful
> hours of DS9 this evening.

  I definitly agree with this! The premiere of DSN/DS9 was better than about 90% of
  all the TNG episodes. Acting/FX/Story all were top notch! I hope this holds for
  the future. 

  I also think they should drop the 'Star Trek' from the title. Unlike TNG, DS9 can
  probably stand alone without the 'Star Trek' name to attract an audience.

  I hope this doesn't turn out to be another 'Yesterdays Enterprise'.
  A great episode that keeps you hoping every week after that the
  show will be half as good as YE but never are.

> Put this next to Farpoint and its like putting Star Wars next to
> Battlestar Galactica,  this time they leave plenty of room for development.

  Well I would take the Battlestar Galactica premiere over 
  'Encounter at Wimp-point' anytime. IMHO of course. :-)
From: stdnt171@whscdp.whs.edu (-=THE JESSTER=-)
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Subject: Re: Personal difficulties with Odo (was Re: Odo in DS9 )]
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:53:16 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

In article <DEMILLO.93Jan7101139@dogberry.juliet.ll.mit.edu>, demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes:
> I have a hard enough time with faster-than-light travel, transporters, and 
> medical cures for everything except deseases which are crucial to the plot point...
> but I don't know if I can ever suspend my disbelief far enough to cover
> a living organism that can nearly perfectly mimic *anything,* even if the
> object is of different mass and volume. The closest analogy to this creature that
> we have in our own biosphere is the chamellion (excuse the spelling), and it
> can only change color to match its surroundings.

How about the amoeba.  That's it!  Odo is a huge, intelegent, evolved amoeba!
;*}

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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: DS9 in Detroit (Ch. 50)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:50:55 GMT

	Thanks to everyone who responded to my post.  These are the dates
and times for DS9 on WKBD:

		Season Premiere:  Sun. Jan. 10 @ 3:00pm

		DS9 Regular Season: Sat @ 6pm repeated on Sun at 12pm
		TNG has MOVED!    : Sat @ 3pm repeated on Sun at 5pm

BTW, I would have called the station, or even looked it up in the TV Guide,
but I get the station on cable (I live 600 miles from Detroit!).  Thanks
again, everyone.
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