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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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              09 Sep 92 03:25:13 +0000. <9209090854.AA29705@sics.se>

  >I'll read just about anything once, but I love mysteries too.  Who's your
  >favorite author?

  I guess most of my favorites are British crime writers. Simon Brett
is very good, he's written among other books several novels featuring
a somewhat seedy actor called Charles Paris. P.D.James is also good
although a bit too "literary" at times. Michael Innes. There are
others. Among American writers, I've enjoyed e.g. Emma Lathen.

  As for Barbara Cartland, she is well known here as a phenomenon,
even by those who (like me) have never read any of her books.
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> > Ohhhhh Myyyyyyy Goooddddddddd!  This is *so* embarrassing.  I thought
> > nobody every read that stuff!  This is like something from another
> > life.  I must be dreaming.
>
> But of course we do.  How else was I to find out that Tsuchiya provides
> a thorough analysis of the many ways in which the voices of Galdos's novels
> are aware of the artifice and autonomous language of the texts that they
> create?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

STOP before I write more book reviews!  Did I *really* say that, in
*that* language?  I *know* where you got this, and why, Natalie dear,
because *he* is one of your spies from MS.   I know that!
--ggs (who just received the offprints today...  available for
$10.95 plus postage...)
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: snaguinely:New word
              8 Sep 1992 02:09:30 CDT from <tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU>

>>What shall SNAGUINELY mean?
>>
>>-Rod
>
>Snaguine: Expecting (an undertaking) to be riddled with snags, i.e.
>the (sort of) opposite of sanguine?

How about this application?

  "I fear we are outnumbered," Custer said snaguinely.

brad
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
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	Posted on 12 Sep 1992 at 14:10:18 by Judith E. Schrier
	>Elaine brought Grant over for tea this morning.
	...
	>Elaine, you may keep him :-)

	But she promised to share!

	Karen

You too!??!??!  Poor guy'll be exhausted..

G
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> Did I mention that I took my daughter, Marya, to
> the bank the day before I left for France last
> month, and introduced her to an officer there as
> "my daughter, Judith"?

This somehow reminds me of the essay that's in lots of freshman anthologies.
"Back to the Lake"?  Something like that.  By E.B. White, I think.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:02:01 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thanatopsis
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>>> A poem should not mean, but be. [I'm plagiarizing again: keats, I think.
>>> probably a <good thing> I'm *not* an English prof]
>>
>>Archibald MacLeish wrote that.
>>
>>-abh
>
>Bzzzzzzzzzzt.  Our judges say no.  The correct answer is . . .
>someone else.  E.E. Cummings?  Definitely *not* I.A. Richards.
>But definitely somebody else.
>
>-Nka
Sorry, Nka. Archibald MacLeish (not Archie Leech, either),
in _Ars Poetica_ ("Ars" Latin, not British).

judith
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:57:38 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why I Teach
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One thing I've noticed is that students in required courses often seem
to think that they're required to take the course because that teacher or
that teacher's department has made it a requirement.  I try to explain to
freshmen and sophomores, particularly freshmen, that they are required to
take composition or lit or whatever because the department they are majoring
in considers it important -- that the requirements for their degree are
determined by the department of their major, not by the English Dept, that
the English Dept sets requirements for English majors only, that if an
Ag Econ major is required to take an English course, it is because Ag
Economists think it's important to do so.  This, of course, may be
stretching the truth slightly since courses like comp are part of the
university core requirements and since most of the colleges here also have
core requirements.  But all departments are involved in determining the
cores.  Sometimes I think my explanation helps a little bit.  Then I move
on in to showing them why they're gonna love that they had to take my
course.  That does not work well in every case, though.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:49:47 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New

>Actually, all that is needed here is
>
>   Most topics are covered, but we revert to...
>
>Michael E. Macmillan (macmillm@ewc)

Ooops.

Where's Bubbalouie?

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:40:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Cook the judas goat first...

   >	Am I accurate in assuming that if Natalie and Ann switch jobs, Ann will
   >	have to learn how to roast goats?  How do they get the goat into that
   >	pit and under the tarp, anyway?
   >
   >Jim leads it by the hand?

Only if it's a veggie simulacrum on wheels. I have an aversion to
cooked flesh and avoid it when possible.

Jim (I faint at lobster boils) Thomas
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:16:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Amazon T-shirt News
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> Charlie Patten (king of the delta blues) is one of my
> favorite bluesbirthers. Ti piace? or don't you listen
> to old blues?

I don't listen to very much of anything right now since my turntable
died, my tape deck is questionable, and I'm waiting to get a CD player.
I do listen to tapes in my car, but I'm usually not in my car for more
than five minutes at a time.  I haven't listened to any blues in a good
while.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:51:32 PDT
From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)

On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:03:00 JST Akio Tanaka said:
>32) IDDM-II (Elwood)
   Diabetic "shorthand"; Insulin Dependant Diabetes Mellitus Type II (Adult
Onset).  FYI, variations are: NIDDM (Non-Insulin.....), Type I (Juvenille
Onset), Type II-A (Due to Obesity), Type II-B (Due to Genetic Predisposition).
The sort of thing that tends to appear on Doctor's charts and bills.
Peace,
EPD
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>        5:-)      for "I'm Elvis"

Viewed sideways, the 5 is a swoop of hair over a brow.

-abh
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Subject:      RE: Node named

>Well, no thanks to all you supposedly highly-creative Wordslers, I had to come
>up with a nodename all by myself. Henceforth, my MacIIci will be known to the
>Internet as

I can only conclude that the rejection of my suggestion of
porkupine resulted from gross favoritism on the part of the
judges.  They were probably bribed with jars stuffed with hundred
dollar bills.

Harumph.
-Mka
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Subject:      RE: Re[4]: the world's oldest profession

>>Did I say she wasn't?  Or that you aren't?
>
>     Did I comment on what you were or weren't saying?  I was just
>     repeating an anecdote I found amusing.
>
>     Believe me, Mka, when I'm arguing with you, you'll know it.
>
>     Carol

I just love it when you rattle your sabre.

-Mka
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>  Says the Doretta Hanschka, aka the Ruth Hanschka:
make that the Ruth Hanschka using an account named for her sister [who has
never used it]
>  >Maybe the bird was after that fine white powder blowing around in your
>  >apartment, Torkel.  Have you ever inhaled that stuff?:-)  Maybe the Swedish
>  >equivalent of the DEA would like to hear about this stuff....  What exactly
>  >*is* that white stuff?
>  Don't ask me! I've always assumed that it's concrete, or something similarly
>uninteresting.
	Ash, maybe?  Got any fossil fuel power plants near by?  
>  I prefer not to inhale it.
	I should say not; coal ash is nasty stuff.:-)
>  Speaking of "the Doretta Hanschka": have you read "To Live Forever" by
>Jack Vance?
Nope, can't say as I have; I *have* read many other Vance novels, but not
that one.  Is it similar to _I Will Fear No Evil_?[Heinlein]


-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:32:09 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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> >--- (well, I never, my *own* name just slipped my mind....)
>
> It isn't necessarily age.
>
> At the ripe old age of sixteen I was in a travel agency with
> my parents as they were buying tickets.  The agent asked me
> for me age and I realized I had absolutely no idea.  I started
> looking around the office for a calendar so I could perform the
> appropriate subtraction.  After I spent a good twenty seconds
> stammering and looking at everything in the office except the
> agent my parents kindly answered for me.  I'm sure the travel
> agent thought I had the intellect of a turnip.

Did I mention that I took my daughter, Marya, to
the bank the day before I left for France last
month, and introduced her to an officer there as
"my daughter, Judith"?

judith (not marya, not leah, not ruth)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:27:20 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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> Your part of the world must be more <common> than mine, because people
> here generally know the difference.

Depends on who you hang around with.  The people I hang around with
use "disinterested" to mean "unbiased."  But I would guess that we are
a minority in this country.

>  And pleading to antiquity isn't
> a valid rationalisation for using a meaning of a word totally
> counter to the more common common understanding.

I couldn't agree more fully!  I've argued this point a thousand times!
I certainly wasn't pleading to antiquity for anything!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: the world's oldest profession
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>I didn't know that Hillary Clinton subscribed to this list.  Uses
>a pseudonym too.  Huh.

>-Mka

     My housemate recently met someone from Hillary's law firm.  What
     her colleague had to say about her:  "She's a great, great lady
     -- and as strong as horseradish."  I call that a handsome
     compliment.

     Carol
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:09:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> > Does this mean I don't get the grandchildren?
> > --ggs
>
> Am I imagining things, or didn't you mention something some time ago about
> becoming a grandfather in a few months (for real)?  What is the status?
> Doris

You remember correctly, sis.  The <grandbaby no. 1> is due on September
24, arriving at the home of Michael Stephens Griffing Smith and
Cecilia Valdes-Smith (or, actually, according to the system I
explained in the Garcia Marquez post -- Cecilia Valdes Espinosa de
Smith) in Hoboken, NJ.  My *consuegra* (lovely word
in Spanish with no equivalent in English -- something like
co-mother/father-in-law), Yasmina Espinosa <??> de Valdes (don't
remember the second *apellido*),is arriving from Santiago, Chile
on the 22nd in anticipation of the <event>.  My <ts/sw> will be in
the *city* on the due date, but I, unfortunately, will not be there.
I'll wait to be sure this gb arrives on time before taking off for
the north country to *look* at it and go gootchie goo.  I really
can't wait.  I *love* babies and my only regret about being *almost*
a double digit once again (55) is that I feel like I am too old to
have more babies.  That baby will get a ride in the Miata real soon.
--ggs
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On Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:29:31 +0200 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:

>  A thoughtful response! However, I have no fear that asbestos is
>involved.  We are extremely asbestos-conscious in this country. I
>happened to see a lab report on some similar white dust at SICS, and
>it claimed that the dust was mostly harmless silicon! Very
>appropriate. I suppose it's something similar here.

Which doubtless causes only harmless silicosis ?

Tony H.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> >Why does the name "crontab" make me think of Faulkner and sex...
> Natalie, Natalie, Natalie....why do *so many* things do that?
> Therapeutically yours,
> -abh
> The Bear: symbol of the Old South or of Male Libido conquering the damp, dark
> woods?

I was thinking more in terms of -Sanctuary- than of "The Bear."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     whose little fyce dog is just as brave as the one in "The Bear"...
     and who would rush to save the little fyce dog... but who would not
     kill the bear...
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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> It's arriving in the mail right *after* the Niemann-Marcus cookies.
> --ggs  (c.o.d....)

Sheeesh!! Now he's generous all of a sudden?  Hmmm.  What *shall* I ask for?
Hmmmm.....:-)
Doris
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:26:33 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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> Huckleberry is derived from Hurtleberry, from Whortleberry; whort is
> from the same old Saxon root (ahem) as wort and wyrt.

That doesn't make "huckle" a morpheme, however.  If "huckle" were a
morpheme, it would be usable in other words.  That's the whole point of
morphology.  One interesting thing about morphology is that not everybody
has the same stock of morphemes -- which can also be said of words, of
course.  But I don't think "huckle" is a morpheme for anybody, even those
aware of its etymology.

> I believe linguists have this term 'huckleberry morpheme' meaning a
> morpheme whose origin is untracable.  Unfortunately huckleberry

I haven't heard the term, although that is not proof that it doesn't
exist.  The origin of a morpheme is not the point, though!  If the
term "huckleberry morpheme" does exist, I bet that's not what it means.
I bet it means a segment that is intuitively felt to be a morpheme
because of its attachment to another segment that is recognized as a
morpheme (e.g., "berry").  Linguists are not, btw, in agreement about
the status of "huckle."  But then most linguists agree that morphological
analysis has messy places.

> G
> (How did I *know* we would go through this again - it was for
> Natalie's benefit on alt.usage.english a year ago that I spent
> nearly a week researching the bloody thing)

I didn't benefit from it, though.  I believed then the same thing I
believe now about this kind of semi-morpheme. :-)  However, your efforts
were not wasted.  Researching etymology is good for the soul...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:37:17 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> vocabulary?  I think not.  When you said my suggestion was flawed I was
> expecting to hear a considerably more subtle analysis from you.

I don't have any kind of subtle analysis to give.  The first thing that
I objected to in your method was calling their attention to the two
words and thus to a possible distinction between them.  Probably most
people who have gone to school have encountered somewhere along the line
a teacher or a book pointing out that "disinterested" means "unbiased."
Most then forgot the prescription and went merrily along using it to mean
"uninterested."  Your poll would in some cases jar memories and make them
try to come up with the "right" answer rather than the natural answer.
So would Jim's, of course, but at least he didn't start by calling their
attention to the pair of words.

> Please, tell me precisely how _you_ would do this poll.  (Excepting the
> preferred method as you suggested of sitting around for a few years till
> you heard each student use either word unprompted of course)

There are several possibilities, although none all that good if we're
leaving out the only really acceptable method.  Jim's method is one.
Another might be sample sentences for them to judge intuitively as
"normal" or "weird."  Control groups might be useful in that case, one
with a sentence using "distinterested" with the clear meaning of "unbiased"
and the other with the clear meaning of "apathetic."  I don't know that
anybody would find either of those weird, of course.  I think Jim's poll
is better.  If people define "disinterested" as "uninterested" or
"apathetic," that's most likely how they use the word.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> Greetings,
>
> Egads!  I'm turnin blue and am about to expire.  If the tension doesn't
> alleviate soon, I'll have to contract 15 facial muscles and send some
> electrical charges to my upper lip!
>
> Marty

Hate to leave such an appreciative audience, but have to grade those
Business Spanish papers....  just calm down, Marty, until tomorrow.
Read up on Budapest.
--ggs (who is *not* making any of this up... it is the GT)
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Posted on 5 Sep 1992 at 06:46:18 by Natalie Maynor
>When moving from the stop to the interdental fricative, does your tongue
>slide neatly forward, or does it sort of skitter?  I'm practicing it again

It slides forward, but not much, so it doesn't skitter.

>be a theta, not a zero) in "eighth" also have both the [f] and the [0]
>in "fifth" -- something else that I don't have.  I lose the [f].

I think I have yours!:)  Anyway, I can say it both ways--careful vs.
careless speech.

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:29:35 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Disinterested
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I trust Graham didn't intend to conduct the straw poll on WORDS-L.  This
is hardly an appropriate cross-section.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:42:53 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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forgive my ignorance. What is
alt.english.usage and how do I access it. Same re alt.folkore.urban
Marilyn
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>  >Speaking of toilets, does anybody have a suggestion of how to cover up
>  >(paint?) a small knick in the porcelain of a toilet bowl?
>
>  Liquid enamel.
	
	As in touch-up paint for cars.  That's pretty tough stuff.


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