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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: realism etc.......
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:40:07 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-10-93 20:32
B :From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
 
B :I think there are several dimensions that have to be considered in this
B :situation: (a) how much of the weight is due to lean muscle and fat
B :(this can be thought of a strength dimension), (b) whether the person 
B :is aerobically fit (this is an endurance dimension), and skill. The
B :box below represents the weight and aerobic factors and the cells of
B :the table identify who might have an advantage in a match (assuming
B :that we're having a real contest and the two guys have equal skills).
B :
B :                                     Aerobically 
B :Weight is due to            Fit                    Unfit
B :                      (high endurance)         (low endurance)
B :                 ----------------------------------------------------
B :Lean Muscle      | advantage to heavier   | Advantage to lighter    |
B :(Strong)         |   guy                  |  guy                    |
B :                 |------------------------|-------------------------|
B :Fat              | advantage to lighter   | advantage to lighter    |
B :(Weak)           |   guy                  |  guy                    |
B :                 |------------------------|-------------------------|
B :
B :I think that there is a weight advantage only when the weight is due
B :to lean muscle and the person is aerobically fit.  Otherwise the
B :adavantage would go to the lighter guy (under the assumption that
B :the two guys have equal levels of skill). If we vary skill then
B :a big guy with a lot of lean muscle and high endurance would dominate
B :lighter guys but a skilled lighter guy who has high endurance would 
B :dominate an unskilled fat guy with low endurance (like Hulk Hogan;).

 Mike, unfortunately I replied to the respondee (last message) Before 
reading your reply. You more or less echo'd what I stated (although I 
wasn't as specific). I termed it it as Leverage and "ligament 
strength", obviously you were defined as "skinny" yet you beat said 
"muscle monkeys" and they couldn't understand WHY???
 
  Regards
   Marv
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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: McMahon stealing titles... Was: Re: Women's Wrestling
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:46:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.224724.10202@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Ass. Lab Supervisor)) writes:
|> >
|> >BTW, is Headshrinker SAMU the same guy who was the Great Samu in
|> >International?, He was the guy who replaced Dino when he was sick
|> >for a while, then was working for both part time.
|> >
|> 
|> Yuppers, one in the same.  I was impressed with him back then.  They
|> did a good job of pushing him as a singles star in Montreal.  He really
|> has talent.  Didn't he hold the Canadian International title for a while?

Ah but you forgot to mention Samu's manager, "Pretty Boy" Floyd Creitchman (sp?)
! Once Steve Strong (aka Steve DiSalvo :-) and Martel left the whole
promotion started going down the tubes.

I personally liked Edouard Carpentier's colour commentary on the french version
of the promotion. I think it went "...a la semaine prochaine, si DIEUX LE VUEX!
Au Revoir..."

Cheers,
Alan Whitton
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.misc
From: thale@novell.com (Todd D. Hale)
Subject: Re: Basketball, just because it's fun
Organization: Novell
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:52:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.193828.18081@ida.liu.se> d89larli@odalix.ida.liu.se (Lars Lindqvist) writes:
>From: d89larli@odalix.ida.liu.se (Lars Lindqvist)
>Subject: Basketball, just because it's fun
>Date: 4 Jan 93 19:38:28 GMT
>What basketball organistaions are there in USA for the less talanted players (or players
>that never got a chance) ? For example there must be lot's of overaged collegeplayers that
>aren't good enough for professional basketball, but want to continue playing just
>because it's fun.
>
>Is there any nationwide organisations or is it different organisations from state to state
>(or maybe city to city) ?
>
>It would be interesting to hear about the situation in other countries too !

I am involved with a local (city league) tournament.  The team is sponsored
by my company, Novell, Inc.  The money is used simply to pay for officials
and facilities for the season.  We had a pre-season tournament to allow
the officials to sort the teams into 4 levels of play, based on performance.
The season started this week and goes for 9 weeks.  Then, there is a play-
off for the winningest teams.  I have seen a few post-collegiate players who
did not go into professional ball, but for the most part, the players are
bball enthusiasts of all levels.

I also know of many bball players who have opted to play in Japan, Italy, or
Spain when they did not make the NBA draft.  But, I do not know of any
other organized leagues besides city leagues (which are organized by a city,
yet any local group--including those from neighboring cities--may also 
participate).

Hope this helps some.  Let me know if you find out about a larger USA league.

Thanks,
Todd Hale

thale@novell.com
halet@ernie.cs.byu.edu
**  My opinions are just that:  Opinions of Mine  **
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.misc
From: SCHMALFELDTM@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (SCHMALFELDT,MICHAEL)
Subject: order by mail
Organization: ETH ZUERICH
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:23:51 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi you basketball fans out there in the USA,
does anyone of you have an address or even a catalogue of a sport shop
where you can order sneakers by mail?

Thanx.
Mike
From: d89larli@odalix.ida.liu.se (Lars Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.misc
Subject: Basketball, just because it's fun
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:38:28 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

What basketball organistaions are there in USA for the less talanted players (or players
that never got a chance) ? For example there must be lot's of overaged collegeplayers that
aren't good enough for professional basketball, but want to continue playing just
because it's fun.

Is there any nationwide organisations or is it different organisations from state to state
(or maybe city to city) ?

It would be interesting to hear about the situation in other countries too !

           
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: #1 Kentucky hits the road
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:56:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>
>Below Georgetown, among other distinguished Top 20 wanna-bes.  Who had
>the bright idea of this Top 25 crap, anyway?
>

Let's just pretend we have a huge postseason tournament to decide
the whole thing and ignore those silly pollsters :)

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Our Championship (was: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:31:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.195952.10611@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu  
(Walt Maley) writes:

>> our second straight National Championship

> Our?!?  Funny, I don't remember seeing this name in any of the rosters or
> box scores.  Tell me James, what position do you play?  Or are you a manager?
> This is a trend that has always bothered me.  Sorry, just had to call some-
> one on it.  No hard feelings?

Talk to Coach K about it - in both of his post-Championship speeches,
as well as at many other times, he has clearly stated that "the 
Championships belong to all of us - the players, the students,
the University, and the fans."  The 1991 Championship Watch has
"6th Man" as part of its design, in fact.

I'll be glad to mail you K's office number if you'd like to call
him for more information.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: UCLA/Arizona
Keywords: Quick summary
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:26:56 GMT

In article <57525@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Well the 2 teams playing the best ball in the Pac-10 met in Pauley last
>night and Arizona prevailed 82-80 in a game UCLA had no business being
>close in. I don't have the boxscore but they missed so many freethrows
>last night I wouldn't really want to know the exact total, 

Actually, I think UCLA shot a better free throw percentage in this game
than they have for the year.  Butler hit his only two free throws, which,
since he's shooting 35% for the year, is something of a miracle.  (He also
hit his first two three pointers - another miracle, since he's hitting 
about 11% of those.)  O'Bannon was something like 6-9 from the foul line, 
and Edney 4-4.  That made up, to some extent, for the bricks hoisted by 
Petruska, Zimmerman, Tarver, and Dempsey.

>add to that
>the inability to keep Arizona off the offensive glass, 

Rebounding was the key to this game, I think.  The Bruins had their
moments (there was one sequence in which UCLA got three offensive taps,
eventually scoring the basket), but Arizona got the better of it.  Stokes
rebounded much, much better than Petruska, and generally outplayed him.
If Stokes hadn't had to sit most of the second half with 4 fouls, his
numbers would have blown Petruska's away.

>all the turnovers,

My guess is those were close to even.

>and a terrific game from penetrator deluxe Damon Stoudamire and you get
>an Arizona win.

I can't count how often Stoudamire blew past Edney down the center of the
lane, drew two defenders to him, and fed the ball to an open Wildcat 
(generally Mills) close to the basket for the easy shot.  He had several
steals and hit a couple of three pointers, too.  Great game for Stoudamire.

The game really was as close as the score indicates, I thought.  UCLA shot the
threes beautifully last night, unlike any other game of the season, hitting
something like 7 out of 12, I'd guess.  O'Bannon and Edney simply wouldn't
let the team fold, no matter how much Petruska wanted to.  Petruska's poor
play, especially rebounding and defense, were the key to the game, I thought.
UCLA's biggest break was when, with around 3-4 minutes left and down by
about 5, Petruska committed two quick fouls and fouled out.  While Zimmerman
may have blown the rebound at the end, he generally played better defense than
Petruska.  Petruska has had some great games for UCLA this season, but he
looked unprepared and unfocussed last night.  

-- 
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Re: WAC Powers
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:21:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.175741.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>From this weekend's games between four of the WAC powers 
>

{More Whining Deleted . . . }

>
>Utah always catches teams at their worst...
>
>BYU always catches teams at their best...
>
>arthur

The reason for this is that the University of Utah has an agreement with
the University Park Hotel, whereby visiting teams' food is poisoned.
Additionally, extra effort is made to exchange their jockstraps for
identical ones two sizes smaller, puncture the air bags in their Reeboks,
and brainwash the teams with subliminal "Beat BYU" messages.


Or maybe God's a Running Ute fan. . . .


John Conroy.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Now I know why they make fun of Purdue
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:59:54 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: oliver@athena.mit.edu's message of Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:07:45 GMT

}} In article <OLIVER.93Jan11040740@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
}} 
}} Glenn Robinson will never be a big-time player until he learns that it's
}} the 90s and he has to wear shorter socks.  What's next, an Afro?

The bad news is, it's spreading.  Now his roommate, Cuonzo Martin,
wears his socks that way too.

Picture the whole team in stretch socks and Rambis glasses.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: The Quality of this Group
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:42:26 GMT

>
>If by "quality" you mean a lack of stupid woofing and flame wars, then yes,
>it has gone up. Personally, I miss the old flame wars over transitivity on
>the r.s.f.c. newsgroup! ;)

Once FSU lives up to its potential your comments will be acknowlegded....



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From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-Oklahoma Game Summary
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:38:24 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:24:16 GMT

}} In article <1993Jan7.162416.27973@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
}} 
}} 	   Does anyone know if it is the longest current non-conference
}} 	   home winning streak?  If it is the longest ... ever?

Does anyone know who has the longest non-conference home winning
streak against red-headed coaches of teams whose uniform colors don't
include blue or red?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: Duke-Tech game
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:56:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.210625.12784@oracle.us.oracle.com> mpollak@oracle.uucp (Maximilian Pollak) writes:
>I would be extremely surprised if GT won.  Year in and year out, it seems that the Yellow Jackets fall to the Devils.  I can't remember the last time GT beat Duke.  Was it four years ago?

The last time was in the 1990 ACC tourney.  I believe Tech won one of the 
regular season games in 1989 but I'm not sure.  Can anyone confirm when Tech's 
last regular season win over Duke was?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: CNN/USA Today Rankings (1/11)
Keywords: rankings
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:01:50 GMT

zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis) writes:

>>	6.	North Carolina	12-1	689		(5)

Geez,  what would the Heels have to do to *not* drop a rank.  They
crush Maryland and NC State, only to fall to 6th.  The Crazed Lunatic
dropped 'em from 4 to 6.

Well, whatever.

>Yes, Michigan lost to Duke, away from home in the beginning 
>of the season, but that was a game were the teams were trying 
>to adjust themselfs.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess that explains the poor shooting (*)
"Hurley blows by Rose, who is adjusting himself..."

(*) (not to mention the dribbling).
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
Subject: Re: UNC vs NCSU
Originator: sbanerj@c00352-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: Sanjeev Banerjia
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:23:15 GMT


Robert Burgin writes:
|Steve Williams writes:
|>Is Les Robinson's job in jeporady?  I've noticed that he has done poorly
|>in recruiting lately; I don't think he snatched a single top 150 player 
|>(this is hard to believe).  If this is true, then it looks like NCSU
|>is going to be the ACC doormat for some years to come.
|
|	Isn't this the first year that NCSU has been out from
|	under the recruiting restrictions placed on them by
|	the NCAA for various and sundry infractions under Jimmy
|	V?  If so, it may be unfair to judge Les's recruiting
|	ability at this point.
|
|	Besides, he recruited Chuck Kornegay, who was definitely
|	a top 150 - probably top 30 - recruit.  If Chuck could
|	just keep up his grades...
|
|	--rb

Robert, I think Steve was referring to current signings, as in those for
freshman who will enter next year. As for current freshman, all 3 - Kornegay,
Fuller, and Wilson - were top 100, with Kornegay as high as #19 in 1 list.

I don't think Les's job is in jeapardy. It will take a while, though, to make
the Wolfpack competitive in ACC play.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: ACC Update update...
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:58:33 CST

In article <1993Jan12.034951.2026@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>In article <matthew.726807921@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>
>>>In article <C0pF6z.9oD@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Post thine adress, good sir, so that we may be able to send thee thy desired
>>>individual team reports.
>>
>>What's wrong, Kevin?  Haven't gotten to reading at FSU yet?
>>
>>Hint:  it's the address that isn't yours.
>
>EXCUSE ME DUMBASS, but his adress was nowhere to be found in his post...not in
>the header, not in the message, and not in the sig...at least not by MY news
>reader. Don't go accusing me of not reading. The only reason you see his
>adress in my post is as a result of the newsreader here...which does not show
>the line you refer to when I edit.

This childish finger-pointing will not be tolerated here.

- a message from one of the serious posters, according to JO III.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Who's Number 2?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:23:51 GMT

In article <C0CLwz.7Kv@inews.Intel.COM>
smaher@ismdqa.intel.com (Steve Maher ~) writes:

>>1.  Duke
>>2.  Kentucky
>>3.  Michigan
>>4.  Indiana
>>5.  North Carolina
>>6.  Kansas
>>7.  Seton Hall
>>8.  Iowa
>>9.  Purdue
>>10. Oklahoma

>AAAARRRRRGGHH!!!!
>
>Tell me WHY a 2-loss Indiana team is rated above BOTH North Carolina and
>Kansas???  ESPECIALLY since KU beat them out there?  I think Kansas got 
>unfairly hammered by the CNN/USAT poll...

Since you asked: Indiana is a far superior basketball team to either Kansas
or North Carolina.  Provided that they make their share of free throws. :)

The people who vote the polls and prepare the computer rankings do have a
semblance of impartiality and know-how, unlike the many posters here who
only have desire.

Please remember that Kentucky could have easily lost the game and please
remember that Kansas was also a victor by IU's own FT undoing.

From IU's perspective, the season only begins on Wednesday with Iowa, and
the ultimate goal is to win Big 10.  Another NCAA would be nice but while
excellent, IU does not dominate college basketball like in 1976.

We have had several postings already by partizan observers on how Kentucky
shone and how the refs were blind to IU's fouls.  Truth be told, the refs
were fairly blind, but not any more than the usual.  IU *always* gets the
opposition to foul them far more than they do.  The game was very good.
Someone had to win it.  It could have gone either way, it could have gone
into overtime, and that is why IU, playing a superior-ranked team,
overcoming an 11 point deficit (+15 comeback, actually) and holding them
to only 81 points :), retains its former ranking.  Next time KY plays IU,
perhaps we shall see a page from the IU/UCLA book. :) :)

				-- Marek
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:24:12 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: na
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Keywords: Knight, Indiana, Malcom Sims

In article <1993Jan7.193237.19244@news.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:

|> >	<line-up deleted>
|> >
|> >Does ISU coach Bob Bender belong here too? 
|> 
|> 	Yes he does.  He was on the Indiana team that won the nat'l championship
|> in '76, but then transfered to Duke and was on their Final Four team in '78.  I
|> believe he may be the only player to go to the Final Four for two different 
|> teams.

Wasn't Ricky Calloway on both IU's national championship in '87 and Kansas'
in '89?  What about Delray Brooks?  Was he at IU in '87 and Providence's
final four team?

|> --
|> gharris@jade.tufts.edu          

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