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From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Flying on my own...
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:27:11 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <63620071@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>I've been wanting to post this for a while, but time is short.  I'll
>do a short posting, anyway.
>
STUFF DELETED
>I'll be staying on the net and in the group, to give/get encouragement
>from you.
>
>Wish me luck.
>
>Pete Brooks
>

Congratulations and Good Luck, Pete.  I really enjoy reading
your posts.  You sound very sure of yourself and what you
are doing.  I am sure you will make it.

Judy Frawley
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:42:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>In article <Nov.13.11.27.01.1992.3515@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>It would definitely make a difference.  First of all, your diet sounds 
>healthy, so unless you are aware of overeating problems, then I don't
>think you need to change it.

I don't think I overeat.  God only knows what I would look like if I did.
The big change in my lifestyle is going from college student to fulltime
employee.  I'm not running around like used to.

>Secondly, a half hour of Stairmaster can burn 200-400 calories, depending
>on your intensity level.  That would translate to a loss of 2-4 lbs a
>month just from exercising.  At your weight, you really can't expect to
>lose weight much faster than that (since you are close to your goal) without
>cutting calories.

That sounds encouraging.  I can watch my soap opera tapes while I do it.

>Finally, there are those of us who believe, a la Covert Bailey, that 
>exercise makes body chemistry changes that help to reduce body fat in
>other ways besides burning calories.  There is some question about how
>this actually works, but it's clear that exercise is key in any plan
>to maintain a lower weight.

I read that book.  Thats where I read that swimming doesn't burn fat.
Has he changed his mind on that?  The book I read was a 1978 edition.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

I'm curious if anyone out there has read Geneen Roth's book "When Food         
Is Love"?  This book really touched me.  It's about breaking free from 
compulsive eating by amoung other things, listening to your body and eating
whatever you want until you are satisfied.  The hard part is knowing if you
are satisfied.  She was recently on "Oprah" and discussed how she had lost
and gained over 1000 lbs over her lifetime, had been on a diet since about 12
(I can relate), and had starved herself to get down to 80 something lbs, only
to gain back another 80 in something like 2 months.  Finally, she said to h*ll
with this, and decided to eat whatever she wanted.  At first she gained
weight, but then she felt so free - she had let go of the diet thing - that 
she started losing weight, and today is a very slender woman.  She runs    
workshops on this very thing.  Anyways, she made a point on Oprah that really
got me... she said very few of us (compulsive eaters) enjoy eating because we
feel so guilty, and we use food to stuff our feelings down instead of feeling
our pain.  Once we stop eating compulsively, we will feel a lot of our pain, 
but what's wrong with that?  If we feel it, we can release it, instead of 
stuffing it down with food.  I think it made a lot of sense.

She suggested that we really enjoy eating
Eat in a calm place without distractions
Eat anything you want      
Eat until satisfied

Any comments?

-Laurie

_______________________________________________________________________________
   Laurie Roberts at Hewlett-Packard San Jose -  robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com
_______________________________________________________________________________
                 Que voulez-vous dire avec ce sourire?
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:21:49 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

> In article <98520@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>Know what?  I'd love to meet someone formerly fat who followed X diet plan 
>>and kept the weight off permanently -- or for even 10 years.  I still haven't.
>>I've heard about them, and TV diet ads display them, but I haven't met one
>>personally yet.  
> 
Reminds me of a story.  When our first child was born, I quit my job 
and went back to school.  We found a childcare person through the 
want ads for the first year, but she went back to school.  The next 
school year we went through the county referral office and asked for 
a childcare person a little closer.  We were given an excellent 
referral, on the road to school, but really only about a block away 
from our house.  My wife and I talked to her on the phone, and made 
an appointment to see her.  When I saw her, I'm ashamed to admit that 
all I could think about was how fat she was.  Everything about her 
and her house was fine, though, and so we placed our child there.  It 
was a great situation, and within a few days I never again noticed 
her body.  One day about a year later, the childcare person was 
acting a little strange when I dropped my son off.  She always wore 
comfortable and loose-fittings clothes, but her pants seemed 
especially ill-fitting.  We chatted for a few minutes, and then she 
announced that she was celebrating that day.  She grabbed at her 
pants, where the safety pin was holding them together so they 
wouldn't fall down, and pointed at the excess waistline, a good 
foot!  She said, "As of today, I've lost a hundred pounds".  I was 
speechless.  I had never noticed that she was losing weight!  I 
congratulated her and then went on to school.  Neither one of us has 
moved since then, and we run into each other occasionally (she now 
teaches at a local school).  She has never regained that weight.  I 
don't know what her weight history was before we met, but I think 
that it is not coincidental that she weaned her youngest daughter 
during that year.  It has been 12 years now since she lost her 100 
pounds, and if anything, she is thinner (she is still not a thin person).
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Subject: Progress is good...
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:24:18 GMT

I'm afraid I'm not very inventive these days when it comes to subject lines...

I just wanted to let you all know that I am still here.  I'm doing much better
and I'm in control of my eating right now.  I have been concentrating on only
eating three meals a day with no snacks in between.  It works - I've lost two
pounds (not much - but progress is good...).

My next step will be to further define my eating plan to limit things from my
diet.  I've decided that fat is probably the first to be reduced.  Then once I
have the fat grams down where they should be I'll probably pick sugar as the
next thing.  I DON'T WANT TO DO TOO MUCH AT ONE TIME THOUGH!!

I've decided that gradually changing my habits is better for me.  It is going
to be a lifelong battle so I may as well start a lifelong program.

My feet don't hurt anymore either - much to my pocketbooks dismay.  I've 
purchased an expensive pair of very supportive shoes and they have helped
incredibly - yes, I'm even walking (Some - just a little to start with)!!

That's all for now - thanks for the all the support!!!

Toni


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:27:42 GMT

In article <17526@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>She suggested that we really enjoy eating
>>Eat in a calm place without distractions
>>Eat anything you want      
>>Eat until satisfied
>
>That's exactly what I did for the first 25 years of my life.
>At the end of that time I weighed 335 lbs and was gaining at
>the rate of 1 pound per month.  Just how long was I supposed
>to continue trying this method?  I think it may work for some
>people, but for others it is a quick trip to the morgue.

Or a slow one.  This is my experience too--I really enjoyed eating, ate
w/o distractions, ate anything I wanted, and ate until satisfied, until
I discovered one day that a sedentary lifestyle wasn't a choice
anymore--I could barely move around anymore without severe distress.
(You'd wheeze and sweat too, walking down the block, if you were
carrying 300+ pounds.)  Of course, I wasn't a follower of Roth's, it was
just the way I was: always two helpings instead of one, frequent late
night snacking, and restaurant meals a lot.

This "Geneen Roth" stuff seems to be particularly attractive to women,
for whatever reason, I don't know why.  I haven't come across a man who
is inclined to push it.  But it's mostly women who seem to be
brainwashed into thinking that there has to be some emotional basis to
their overeating and obesity and that "being nurturing to yourself"
somehow breaks this cycle.  Well, maybe it breaks a cycle of dieting
and regain, and that such folks eventually maintain a higher total
bodyweight.  I'd love to meet someone formerly fat who followed Roth's
recommendations and became thin, but I'm pretty skeptical!

What's more, I wonder how wise such a recommendation is.  It's more like
giving people "permission" to overeat if they want to.  Which is fine,
of course (hey, I'm an expert!), but there are a lot of people like
Gordon and myself who would just gain weight far past any safe point.
Maybe this works for people (who usually turn out to be women for
cultural/societal reasons) who aren't obese to begin with, just a few
pounds overweight, and this serves to take the pressure off them.
Again, I have no argument about that; I just don't think it's going to
cause weight loss.  Whether or not it causes personal satisfaction is
a different issue.

Even allowing that everyone is different, there's an enormous genetic
component to body weight and eating behavior; without an imposed
dietary intervention, identical twins raised apart are usually going to
look and weight very similar, meaning that one's environment need not
have a great influence on weight.  There's an enormous hormonal
component to fat deposition and distribution, as I mentioned before.
In other words, we're stuck with lousy genes.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Yogurt Smoothie Discovered
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:19:50 GMT

I've recently started making yogurt smoothies, and they're so satisfying
I wanted to pass the "recipe" along.

        1 8 oz cartoon fat-free nutrasweet'd fruit'd yogurt [you can use
             plain non-fat yogurt also, or the sugared kind if you're
             philosophically or morally opposed to nutrasweet]
        4-6 oz orange juice
        1 banana
        other fruit, canned, fresh, or frozen (like strawberries, canned
             pear, etc)
        ice

        Blend in blender until smooth.

This is a lot of fruit (and simple carbohydrates), I know, and for those 
limited to a certain number of fruit exchanges per day it may not seem 
worth it... BUT IT IS!!  IT IS!!  It tastes just like a fruit milk shake.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mhmakuta@logos.uwaterloo.ca (Marzena Makuta-Giluk)
Subject: Re: Double chin
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:23:53 GMT

 In article <Bx9Hz0.180@world.std.com> glamkin@world.std.com (Gerald Lamkin) writes:
 >I'm inthe midst of a successful weight watchers diet. I've lost 20 lbs
 >with another 30 to go. The posblem is the double chin. It seems not to be
 >affected by the diet. any suggestions??

There is a very effective exercise to reduce double chin. Place the tips of your
fingers at your throat to feel it. Then try to pull the corners of your mouth down.
This will make the muscles on your chin and throat work very hard.
Hold  for a few seconds, then release. Do it several times a day.

It looks terribly unattractive, so make sure you are alone when you do this.
The exercise does not eliminate double chins completely, but it does help.
You should notice the difference in about 3 to 4 weeks.

Marzena

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein)
Subject: Re: Sunday NY Time article
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:05:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.093453.4188@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>Did anyone see the article in the Sunday Times about discrimination
>against the obese?  It was pretty interesting but what bothered 
>me was that they kept citing scientists who said that they are
>finding that obesity is something people can't control (and that
>if the public could understand this there might not be so much
>discrimination, etc.).  I think that maybe the real idea is that
>in order to control obesity it takes much more discipline than
>most people have to demonstrate in their lives, in fact for some
>it might take an impossible amount.  
>
>I don't know...my thoughts aren't really well formed on this.  I'd
>type the article in but its quite long.  Perhaps I can type in
>some excerpts...  Did any one else read it?
>
>Margot
>
>--
>"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
>  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
>                                         - David Crosby
Nothing makes me angrier than that kind of article, as it sabotages the
people who are trying to exert some control over their lives and 
over the real risk factors which can shorten those lives. Such an
article is very unlikely to make a dent in society's preconceptions about
the unworthiness of overweight people, but it IS likely to convince 
someone struggling with an exercise program or trying to eat healthily that
nothing is worth the hassle.

DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! I have been maintaining a 70-pound weight loss for
two years now after being quite overweight for all the preceeding 22 years
of my life. Never mind the appearance question, my quality of life has
improved immensely. That's what counts.


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:50:27 GMT

In article <63620079@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts) writes:
>
>She suggested that we really enjoy eating
>Eat in a calm place without distractions
>Eat anything you want      
>Eat until satisfied
>
>Any comments?
>
Well, that's just what I've been doing all my life - and I'm huge.
Kari
--
* kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi * * Kari Juhani Nenonen *
                  * Helsinki - SF *
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: body image
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:42:03 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:
> In article <BxtKAL.6C6@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
> Pictures are brutal.  I am much heavier than I perceive myself to be,
> and it's particularly depressing to see some recent pictures, because
> all that is obvious to me is how much further I have to go, rather
> than how much progress (- 50 lbs.) I've made already.  You can't see
> the clothes size shrinkage, and the added belt notches aren't visible
> in the snapshot.

Yes, I found that while I was really heavy that pictures of myself were
what inspired me to lose weight.  I couldn't believe how fat I was.  But
after I lost weight, they helped update my body image.  I guess maybe the
best part of pictures is that we see ourselves as others see us, sort of.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson)
Subject: Woe is me...
Reply-To: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:12:19 -0500

Hi again.  I think this group is great and I wanted to write
about my food problem.  I am a graduate student and am constantly
feeling bad about my job and about how I am doing it.  I use
food as a treat to make myself feel better.  During the day I
can usually avoid snacking and eating high fat stuff but at night
I go home and I feel bad and watch TV and worry and just eat.

I'm not doing REALLY bad; my weight is pretty stable right now
if a bit high.  The problem is that I want to get to a point where
I can deal with the bad things in life straight on instead of
medicating myself with chocolate and Cheers reruns.

Another reason that things are bad for me right now is that I have been
fighting a nagging lower back injury for a long time.  When I
am running regularly I find it a lot easier to just eat when I
am hungry.

For now I am trying to eat a big dinner so I'll be too full
to snack much and I have just gotten a low impact aerobics tape;
I hope my back can take it.  And I read this newsgroup :-).
Thanks for being there...  Linda.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise (Really lowfat recipes)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:20:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.144123.12444@watson.ibm.com> amygk@watson.ibm.com (Amy) writes:
>
> (A lower-fat banana bread recipe:)

>1/4 cup walnuts                    7.7g   (chop them, they'll go further)
>1 egg                              5.6g
>1/3 cup skim milk                  0.5g
>3 Tbsp unsweetened apple sauce   < 0.1g
>
>total for part of recipe          13.9g
>


(Look, up in the air! It's a bird...a plane... it's Fat Fanatic!)

You could cut those fat grams just about in half by using just the egg WHITE!

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Yogurt Smoothie Discovered
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:57:04 GMT

jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:

>I've recently started making yogurt smoothies, and they're so satisfying
>I wanted to pass the "recipe" along.

>        1 8 oz cartoon fat-free nutrasweet'd fruit'd yogurt [you can use
>             plain non-fat yogurt also, or the sugared kind if you're
>             philosophically or morally opposed to nutrasweet]
>        4-6 oz orange juice
>        1 banana
>        other fruit, canned, fresh, or frozen (like strawberries, canned
>             pear, etc)
>        ice

>        Blend in blender until smooth.

>This is a lot of fruit (and simple carbohydrates), I know, and for those 
>limited to a certain number of fruit exchanges per day it may not seem 
>worth it... BUT IT IS!!  IT IS!!  It tastes just like a fruit milk shake.

T.G.I.Friday's restaurant chain has a registered trademarked drink called
a Smoothie and there are different variations, all with different names.
The main ingredients of these is yogurt.  Try them out, they're all good
and similar to the recipe you list above.

allen
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Restaurant recommendation
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:57:48 GMT


Milly's in San Rafael has great vegan food. AND they have several "oil free"
dishes, marked as such! I'm sure the food is low-cal. They specifically state
on the menu, "If you have any special dietary requirements, please let us know."

I had a lovely sort of curry inside a spicy sort of thin crisp pancake, with a great
spinach salad (raspberry/ginger dressing - no oil), and then I got the
pumpkin "cheesecake" (made from tofu, I assumed - by this time I was so charmed
with the place that I was less concerned with ascertaining every LAST
ingredient!) Also had a nice ginger beer. This cost me about $30 and worth

EVERY

penny! Go to Milly's! (It's on 4th street, which is off the main San Rafael
exit; go left towards the "main business district" -- there's a sign for it --
and then go down to about F street.)

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:04:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Here's a thought for snacks: if you actually like them, rice cakes
or the similar popcorn cakes.  They run 110 calories per ounce, though
I'll admit I don't know what they weigh; *I* don't like them at all.

Still, they're chewy.  (Maybe with a little bit of salsa on the top?)

There are also the traditional goodies, like carrots and such.  I'm
a fruit junkie; when I'm hungry and in the mood for refrigerator
raiding, the apples will go first.  [Yes, it took a lot of behavior
modification/brainwashing to get to that point.]

Congratulations on your loss, and may it stay lost!

Pete Brooks
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: I need HELP!!! (bingeing)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:22:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov16.154837.16654@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>Exactly so.  I don't keep peanut butter (or any other binge-type food)
>in the house.  If I did, I'd be wearing it on my gut.  I also find that
>my staples, like skim milk, not-fat yogurt, plain bagels, corn flakes
>and fresh fruits don't qualify as "comfort food", even if they're
>completely fine to eat during the day.  At least, I'm not inclined to
>overindulge on them.  I find that my food "cravings" have a lot to do
>with what's in the house.

I've found a change in me regarding that.  For years -- in fact, for most
of my adult life -- I wouldn't keep "forbidden" foods around the house. 
The result was that I went out and ate them.  Or, if I was out eating in a
restaurant or at someone else's house, I'd pork out.  It was this weird
mentality I developed where I felt that if I ate it _outside_ the house,
it was OK.  

I finally realized how ridiculous this was; if I was going to eat this
stuff anyway, I might as well have it at home and stop playing games with
myself.  So I gradually stocked my house with stuff I'd never allowed in
before.  Initially, I ate lots of it and gained weight.  But you know
what?  I don't do that anymore.  The stuff just sits around most of the
time, and I find I'm making healthier choices more often than not.  I know
if I want it, I can have it; I just don't want it most of the time
anymore.  



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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