From: paulsen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (FreeKill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: INL play - PLEASE READ (esp INL reps)
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:00:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BvB4x1.4HK.2@cs.cmu.edu> hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
)FreeKill writes
)) I have a couple problems with the INL
)) 
)) A) I was very astonished on saturday when the server allowed my sunborg  
)in
)) 	without a problem.  This seems very bad, especially since I don't
)) 	respond to any pig calls.  I can turn off the obvious features,
)) 	and still have a distinct advantage over other players.

)Honor is key here.  If a team has no honor, then let them die.

I agree that it's key.  However, given the ease to just make a reserved.c
for INL and a new client, I'm confused on why it's not done.  Ray has put
much more time into other aspects of the server only to ignore this seemingly
obvious feature.  Also, given the fact that some players are good enough to
appear borglike, I think it may cut down on some false accusations.  Especially
if you are fighting some noname schmuck who turns out to be a good player.

)) B) Side Salad seemed very definite on their statement that they can use
)) 	whatever names they please during an INL tourney.  I seem to
)) 	remember the rules stating specifically that the most well-known
)) 	name must be used.  I think the games should have more to do with
)) 	skill than trying to guess who a person is.  I also remember that
)) 	last year, we were told in no uncertain terms that if we changed
)) 	our names for a game, that we should consider that game a forfeit.
)) 	Strange that CMU doesn't have to abide by the rules...

)The rules have changed.  Since it was a scrimmage game, and you didn't  
)know about it, we switched.  I'll go on the record to say that my team  
)will play under our regular names anytime we are asked to.  I wasn't  
)impressed by your attitude that we HAD to or some of your team weren't  
)going to play.  Get a clue, guys.

Rob uses the word "your" to imply several of my teammates.  I, however, cared
less about team names.  It was only a scrimmage.  I might add that I was
disappointed by some of our team members bitching on who your subs were.  I
took a 2 1/2 hour train ride to Philly to play a highly clueful game.  I got
3 of those on Saturday, and I was really happy.  Who I played against was
really irrelevant.

)CMU teams are some of the most sportsmanship oriented teams out there.  We  
)always abide by the rules.  For example, we wouldn't try to bring in a  
)sunborg even to see if we could.

I'm surprised by this.  Also, unbelieving.

)) C) I would also like to have some assurance that teams like CMU don't  
))get
)) 	other people to watch their games.  Last year, I and several other
)) 	players were forbidden from watching other teams play.  My even
)) 	considering it was called cheating.  CMU even has a recorder set
)) 	up so that they can watch games later in the day.  Again, odd that
)) 	CMU doesn't have to abide by the rules....   Another problem with
)) 	the bystander is that he can tell others who has picked up, and 
)) 	what not.  This is definitely unfair, yet occurs regularly at CMU  
)
)How the hell can this be enforced?  Good luck.  I had never heard the rule  
)that you couldn't watch other people's games.  

I should've put the bystander commenting problem first.  The fact is that all
bystanders comment on what's going on.  For example, he might say who is
picking up, and what not.  This is not fair by any means.

Also, I was told by CMU players that they used the recorder last year.  I
will believe Rob when he says he doesn't cheat, but others....

)Spaced!
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