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From: micss@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Stephen Mickio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:49:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr13.023051.9339@ncsu.edu>, washburn@sparc.ncsu.edu (chris) writes:
> One question for all you miserable Duke fans out there:
> 
> What are you going to do next year when you don't have Christian Laettner
> to make that miracle last-second shot to get you into the Final Four?
> 
> Just wondering.
Here is ONE humble DUKE fans answer to this:

We will win the ACC again, and if a bit of luck can happen our way, will
be at the dance for the THREE-PEAT step.  Here is why,

	1) Bobby is back to guide them, AND step up and make the big play
when needed.  He did a great job all year log with this.  Just when
the other5 team might make something happen, or Duke needed to start a
run, Hurley found the man or made the D play or made a 3333333333 shot.

	2) Hill Bro's is back.  I hope noone can deny that Grant Hill is 
one of the most spectacular players now.  He can fly, shoot, pass......and
Thomas is getting better every day. They are jelling into the system and
will be the ones to step up next year.

	3)  There is this recruit (sp?) named Tony Moore that will be
heading down to durham.  He is 6'7" 216 at the forward spot.  He is 
scoring 29.9 ppg, 18.5 rpg, 9.4 blocks pg making 78% FG and 70% FT.  He 
has recorded atleast 4 tripple doubles this season as of 1/15.  Could
be a real force inside.

	4) Erik Meek will be back and hopefully healthy this year. 
His time should go up and so will everything else.  I hear he has
fully recovered from his accident and is ready to play.

	BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE:

	5) CHEROKEE PARKS.....The man was fantastic in his time he played 
in the final 4.  I was really impressed in the way he played.  I thought
he was a bust but he showed he could play with the big boys and play well.
And with the year of coaching that K will give him, he should blossom
and become a force in the drive next year. 

	6) Coach K.  The class and wisdom will be shown as the season
will once again be upon us.
> 
> (If the Pack has anything to do with it, you won't even make it to the NCAAs!)
> 
> GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
Not this year anyway......maybe in a few.  They have a good team, see how
the new people into the system will fare.

> 

Put to you, I didn't think we would be at New Orleans next year until I 
saw DUKE play AND win *WITHOUT* Mr. C..... 

See ya next year.......  at New Orleans!


(ps...well you asked what would happen..there it is!)

micss@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Scott Micklo
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: keving@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX557 Kevin Gay)
Subject: Laettner and GQ - NCAA violation?
Organization: trunking_terms
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:30:40 GMT


Heard a rumor on the way in this morning that Christian Laettner
had signed some contract with GQ giving them the rights to 
his senior season diary (or something) BEFORE basketball season.....

Is Duke in danger of forfeiting 91-92....would have to see that (aack!).

appreciate any more info..

KJG
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:33:48 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
>
>                    ............  when police tried to deal with the
>situation, Pat Knight began using abusive language (what a chip off the
>old block!).

It looks like some of Bobby Knight has rubbed off on Pat.  Would
Bobby be proud of Pat's abusive language?  This leads us to the question: 
why is Bobby doing the same thing himself?  Talk about being a role
model...


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swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Laettner Bashing....
Reply-To: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:03:16 GMT

In article <2253@news.duke.edu>, alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.220916.21069@ncsu.edu> rpierre@fire.ncsu.edu misquoted
>and outright lied about what he fallaciously believed to be...
>>The truth [] about Christian Laettner in a revealing article
>     ^^^^^?????
>>in the local rag (Raleigh News and Observer).

You just don't get it do you, Alan? Alester, Bbolton, Bdamico, Rpierre, and whom
ever is next are all bogus, you are arguing with a joke. I thought
everyone on the net realized it by now. Calm down there as someone on
the net told me last summer watch your blood-pressure, it ain't worth
getting bent out of shape. Actually it's sometimes funny.
RC
From: egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Women's Championship
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:53:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr8.114857.21829@news.larc.nasa.gov>, cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:

	Does anyone know how many turnovers there were in the final game of
the women's championship?  It had to be some ridiculously large number.  I'd
also like to find out the field goal percentage.  I would think it was pretty
low.  Overall, the final game was absolutly shitty.

					Later,

					Brian Egras
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mangis@z.eecs.umich.edu (John Kevin Mangis)
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.064108.19177@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:

>Hey Michigan made if to the finals! Thats a heck of an accomplishment even
>if they did, as things turned out, get an easy draw. They can beat Duke.

How can you call Oklahoma State, Ohio State, and Cincinnati an easy draw?
When the tournament pairings were announced, it was generally agreed that
the Southeast region was the toughest, and Michigan went on to win it by
beating both the #1 and #2 seeds.

>I dont think they are this year. I think Michigan has a good team, but hardly
>a great team whether they win the final 4 or not. My prediction is that even
>if they win the final 4 they will have a tougher time next year than this
>year.
>They may not win their own conference and won't win the NCAA's next year. They
>are on a roll now--and are catching more than a few breaks. If they can come
>outand play dominating ball next year then i will Happily eat my words.

I am fascinated by your argument!  Let me get this straight:

   1)  If Michigan wins the tournament, it will not be because they are
       a great team, but because they happen to be on a roll right now.

   2)  Even if they win it, you won't give them any credit unless they
       win it again next year.

I guess it would be obvious to point out that EVERY team that has won the
NCAA tournament, by definition, has been on a roll.  And since when is a
championship valid only if it is won the next year?

By the way, you're really going out on a limb saying that they can't win
it two years in a row, especially since they haven't even won it yet
this year.  I'd say the chances of you eating your words are pretty
slim...

I don't think that Michigan has been the best team in the country this
season, but if they beat Duke then they will definitely have played the
best of any team in the last three weeks, and will win a legitimate
championship.

Kevin Mangis (mangis@z.eecs.umich.edu)
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From: william sadler <wsadler@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:46:31 -0500

As a side note, the arresting officer happened to be one of the
strongest supporters of the basketball team on the police force.
He has always known the team members and in the past got a signed
basketball for one of my co-workers.

If he arrested P. Knight then there must have been a very good
reason.  I would love to have a tape recording of their conversation!

The general rumor around here has been that P. Knight's boozing it
up was dragging him and Damon Bailey down.  Now that Pat's gone
maybe Bailey will clean up his act.

Will
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From: pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU Gets Rematch with Congress Help?
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:03:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr14.010340.21556
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.174127.11714@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Peter C Tortorici writes:
>
>>A friend of mine came up to Purdue from Indy on Sunday, and told
>>me there was an article in the Indianapolis paper that a group,
>>I'm not sure how many, of Indiana congressmen were formally disputing
>>the officiating in the Duke/IU game.
>>
>April Fools is almost 2 weeks away. You can't fool us that easily.
>No one is that big of a doofus.
>
>-- 
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
>You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.

I am not kidding, it was reported in the Indianapolis newspaper.

Pete
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:08:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

ARON PILHOFER writes:
>
>Feel free to add to this list; it is not comprehensive.
>

OK, how about the tidbit where Nantz wished that Van Exel and Jalen Rose had
gone to the same school.  That way, they could have had the "Rock-n-Roll
Backcourt" of Van Jalen and Exel Rose".  That, my friends, is a reach...

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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: NCAA Investigations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:34:17 GMT
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky
X-Bytes: 

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>The NCAA makes alot of mistakes, but they have a no win situation, because
>of the way the system is set up. They simply can't do what everybody wants
>them to do, they don't have the manpower.
>

One of the bigget problems in the NCAA's method of enforcement is the 
wide range of punishments at their disposal.  The longest part of most
NCAA investigations is the assignment of penalties.  This phase of the
NCAA's work also generates the loudest cries of "wristslapping" and
"favoritism".  Many of the "big time" programs report their own failings
to the NCAA; this usually results in leniency by the NCAA watchdogs.  As
a result, those schools which cannot afford a "compliance staff" (I think
that UK has 5 people whose sole purpose in life is to investigate compliance
with the myriad of NCAA/SEC rules) get nailed to the wall when a violation is
discovered.

How do we control this most subjective part of the NCAA's method?  It
could be done rather simply with a list of automatic penalties.  If the
school reports/corrects it themselves, they receive the automatic penalty;
if the NCAA has to dig it up through investigation, the penalty is doubled.
No exceptions are either needed or necessary.

If you make the penalties automatic, the elements of favoritism and bias
go out the proverbial window.  To avoid the doubled penalty, schools will
police themselves more and more; the NCAA won't even need the (rather large)
enforcement staff it currently uses.

Feh.

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From: WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Gillen spurns another suiterJust as he had done to job offers from Notre Dame and Virginia, and
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:51:02 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

interview offers from Ohio State and Texas A&M, Pete Gillen told Villanova
"thanks, but no thanks" yesterday. Pete turned down the Villanova job offer,
after interviewing for the position on Monday.
 
  Gillen was the only person Villanova had interviewed for the position.
Rumored to be next in Villanova's sights is Bruce Parkhill at Penn State.
 
Bill Lack
Big Time Relieved Muskie Fan
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From: jimmyb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Black)
Subject: Re: Dilemma
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:56:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.123337.7513@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>
>A kid from Louisville signed with South Carolina last fall. A swingman
>with enormous potential. His girl friend broke up with him and in
>a fit of depression, he broke into her apartment, stabbed her, and
>then attempted suicide. South Carolina immediately dropped him cold.
	  
	  We had a similar situation here at the University of Hawaii.
	  A player was recruited (a big-time scorer) to attend the
	  University.  While on another recruiting trip this player was
	  brought up on rape charges.  The University of Hawaii knew
	  about his situation but still offered him a scholarship.  In
	  fact, they had the trial date pushed back so that this player
	  could play basketball.  He went to trial the following summer
	  and was found guilty of rape.  The University took away his
	  scholarship.  A person found guilty of rape should be severly
	  punished but I don't think the University should have taken
	  away the scholarship.  I think they should have not allowed
	  him to play anymore basketball for the University but left
	  the decision whether or not he was going to finish his
	  education -the most important thing in his life- at the
	  University up to him.  I feel the same way about the kid from
	  South Carolina.  What do you think?


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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Keywords: K, Knight, UMASS!!, UK, UC, Tark, FSU, UM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:49:54 GMT

In article <ktrloqINNggn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> larose@cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>Who are the nominees for net "National Coach of the Year"?
>
>I'd have to step forward and propose these this list to start with.
>IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
>
>3)  John Calipari      UMASS!!
>5)  Bob Huggins,       Cincinnati.

	I'd give it to one of these two guys, but Roy Williams has already
	won one of the national awards...
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From: heinrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark Andrew Heinrich)
Subject: Re: # 1 All Season
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:47:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.065442.2323@ducvax.auburn.edu> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> 
>> 	UNLV was rated #2 the year they won the title -- Oklahoma had the honor
>> 	of being ranked #1 (and they ended up losing in the 2nd round of the
>> 	tourney to North Carolina).  I think the only team in the post-UCLA
>> 	era that was ranked all season at #1 was the 1982 North Carolina Tar
>> 	Heels, with Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc...
>
>
>I thought that Virginia was rated #1 at times that year.  Maybe flip-flopping
>with UNC once or twice.  I remember they did that one year around 1982.
>
>Ken

UNC in 1982 was the last team (Before Duke) to go wire-to-wire #1 and win the
NCAA tournament.  It's true.

Mark
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:54:48 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen) writes:
>>     Wait, hold on here.  I know this was mentioned a few weeks ago, but 
>>some people seem to have a short memory.  Look at Iowa's 87 team and compare
>>the number of people played in the NBA and CBA to the number of people from
>>Illinois's 89 team who have played professionally.  You with find many more
>>from Iowa.  I guess Iowa gets no talent :)

>	Hmm... let's look at it from a numbers standpoint.  The list of 
>	Illini players from the '89 team had already been listed -- here's
>	an Iowa list off the top of my head:

>	Roy Marble -- #1 pick of the Atlanta Hawks; kicked out for drugs
>	BJ Armstrong - #1 pick of the Chicago Bulls; key reserve
>	Ed Horton -- played for Washington Bullets; in Italy?
>	Kevin Gamble -- plays for the Boston Celtics; starter
>	Brad Lohaus -- plays for the Milwaukee Bucks; sometime starter/reserve
>	Bill Jones -- played for the New Jersey Nets; CBA?
>	Les Jepsen -- plays for the Sacramento Kings; benchwarmer/project

      Don't forget about "Sir Jam-A-Lot" Gerry Wright.  He played in the CBA 
and may still play there and may have played in the NBA.  I also thought 
that Jeff Moe was on this team and he played in the CBA.	
-- 
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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU/DUKE Officals
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:36:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr6.163624.14590
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Jonathan Paul Heuring writes:
>Someone wrote that something has to be done, but what?  I don't think any rules
>can be changed.  Stricter supervision of officials, maybe, but they'll still
>call the games they're own way.  What can be done?

How about suspending refs for a game if they blow it? Hey, coaches and 
players are held accountable in this way, why not the refs?

T-Bone
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: CBS (Al McGuire)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 00:53:54 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr3.140508.1492@meaddata.com> bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
|In article <2226@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
|
||> running over it, with Chi Chi calmly walking away.  Then they cut to
||> all of Bobby Knight's antics, interpolated with Devo's "Whip It" video!
||> The best thing CBS had done the whole time!
|
I heard that there was a spot with Billy Tubbs and Tarkanian playing
the Wayne's World characters.  Did anyone see(tape) this?

Rick


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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Duke-Michigan game: the last few minutes
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:41:11 GMT

In article <17956@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
|> I re-watched the tape of the Duke-Michigan game last night.  It was
|> interesting that Michigan was only 3 points behind with about 7 minutes
|> to go, and about 5 or 7 points with 3 minutes left.  Then the game ended
|> with Duke winning by 20 points.

Exactly.  That's why I don't buy any "blowout" bullshit.  It wasn't until
the very end that Duke got its tremendous lead.  True, they led most of
all the 2nd half, but it was a close lead until nearing the end when
Michigan kept missing perimeter shots and Duke kept making theirs and their
FTs.

|> I just wonder if Michigan did the right thing in fouling in the last
|> few minutes, considering that Duke is a great free-throw-shooting team
|> and fast break team.  Would it have been better if Michigan had just 
|> let the time run out and lose by about 5 points, rather than to have 
|> the 20-point loss engraved permanently in history?

Well, I'd gamble that the other team doesn't hit their shots.  I guess I'd 
rather chance the win (even if the odds are against it as you mention with 
Duke's FT %age) than play for a definite "close loss".

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:04:28 GMT

JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.140617@mccall.com>
>scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ason R Holdman) writes:
>>>	Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>>>Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>>>worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss
>>>It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers!
>>>
>>I don't remember hearing about the '89 Championship damage.  What is it
>>about the state of Michigan people?  Riot every time there is a
>>championship?

>I am not a Michigan fan but have watched the action in the state of Michigan
>people were arrested and interestingly none of them attend Michigan.
>One was from Illinois, however, but I wouldn't conclude that Illinois
>people are rioters.



Hey, listen here, Illinoisians can riot with the best.  We're not
about to be outdone.  There is a long, proud history of rioting
in Illinois.  Haven't you heard of the Alton riots?  Smashed
that abolitionist printer Elijah Lovejoy's press 3 times.  He kept 
coming back for more and eventually had to be shot to death.

Remember the Chicago Seven?  Now that was some fine rioting!!


john althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: lucy@beaufort.sfu.ca (Lucy Chan)
Subject: Re: LAETTNER COMMITS NCAA VIOLATIONS (NO JOKE!)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:20:02 GMT

alester@fire.ncsu.edu (avie) writes:

>in today's Winston-Salem Journal, the front page describes how
>Christian Laettner broke NCAA rules by keeping a 'diary' for G.Q.
>magazine.  players are not allowed to receive money for professional
>services, and this is a clear-cut violation.  there are  a number of
>sanctions that could be issued, including forfeiture of the national
>title! (like the ncaa would do that... to unlv, yes; to duke, NOT!)

The NCAA took their time in deciding to start the investigation. I remember
reading in the college basketball preview edition of Sports Illustrated
that Laettner was keeping a diary for G.Q.

Lucy_Chan@sfu.ca
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