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From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:25:41 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <1992Dec21.173643.19241@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>>Considering the fact that you commented on NOTHING in particular,
>>j'accuse, Ry.
>>
>
>Which shows that you've only been in motss about 20 minutes, since
>you're repeating what dozens of others before you have done.

Bzzt!  Actually, it was soc.bi.  Someone else cross-posted their
response to soc.motss, and its been that way since.  Gee, so sorry
to be repeating what others have said.  Wouldn't want to be, er,
common :-)

>>>1) Not me!  However....
>>>
>>>2) I don't understand why you think this is a big deal and I
>>>don't think about it much but....
>>
>>A question:  is this a BIG DEAL for society?  Clearly not.
>>Do you want to MAKE it a big deal (i.e. move it to the forefront
>>of people's consciousness)?  Because, folks, most people out
>>there don't consider this a big fucking deal.
>
>Not so clear to me.

Fair enough.  Where do you live?  I've lived in L.A., and I've
lived in Austin.  I've visited jillions of small towns across
America.  Believe me, its not on people's minds.
Did it even come up in the last presidential election?  Hardly.

>What the hell's wrong with criticizing someone who jumps out of nowhere
>and says that sexism is a non-issue and obviously if they want to make
>men care then they should be smoochy smoochy with them, and then they'll
>listen.

Bzzt!  Again, I didn't say it was a non-issue.  If you are going
to put words into my mouth, at least let me pay you as my
damn press secretary.  I said, "not in the forefront of their minds."
And I adovocated ONE technique to make it so.  


>>Not me, bub.  I never pout, I never whine, and I only scream
>>when Mara screams first.  Yeah, hey, maybe I came off too
>>heavy-handed.  So shoot me.  
>>
>
>bang.

I assume this is a Paulene Kael-esque critique?  Fine.

>
>Ry Schwark
>ry@usl.com

Goodbye, Ry.  Its been *such* a pleasure discussing the issues with you.
Not.
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Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:21:17 GMT

In article <BzM7s7.22DL@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:

>In article <BzInI2.7Bn@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>However, [Melinda] has observed that the
>>most clueless, inappropriate, and nonsensical suggestions are proposed
>>almost exclusively by men.
>
>This just *can't* be true, since it can be shown that Andrea
>Dworkin is not a man.

Assuming for the moment that Andrea Dworkin's suggestions are
clueless, inappropriate, and nonsensical (and it's been my experience
that feminists who are perceived to be such are usually maligned by a
hysterical, incredibly myopic media) it wouldn't invalidate my quote.
Look up each word in the dictionary -- which should be the big thick
book in your bookcase next to Curious George -- and demonstrate to
yourself why that is so.

>Do they teach you the fine art of
>putdown's at Amherst?

They teach us something about grammar, at least.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
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From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: AS long as we are hugging...
Date: 23 Dec 1992 05:28:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>Well I thought that if Roy could ask for a hug then I could to...God knows I
>need one today....SO how about it, can a muffin get a hug?

No, but several is a distinct possibility ...

hughughughughughughug*hug*

Mike
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               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: leecr@microsoft.com (Lee Crocker)
Subject: Re: A question about Stephen M. Conley
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:54:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>>>Sorry, I *still* don't believe in the existence of political parties
>>>with any principles other than "We want to be in power".  Alice
>>>Cooper was right.
>>
>>Well, if you'd watched Andre Marrou doing the talk shows, you'd
>>understand that the Libs MUST have been going on principle rather than
>>political expediency.  _I_ would do a better job on talk shows than he
>>did (and frankly, have more fun doing so) -- if they'd been after
>>power, I'd imagine they'd have used someone who could think on his
>>feet.

Alas, to my great disappointment, even the Libertarians are getting
soft.  Last week, the National Commmittee finally voted to eliminate
the oath, to allow candidates to use matching funds, and to support
"practical interim legislation consistent with libertarian goals",
even if that means voting for tax reform instead of elimination.

I threw away my "Libertarians: The Party of Principle" button.  I'll
probably still vote LP, but I'll be more vocal about holding to true
principles over political expediency, and I will certainly not vote
for any candidate who takes matching funds or invokes FCC "equal time"
rules to get coverage.

For you non-libs out there, the "oath" I refer to was the stateent
that one previously had to sign to be a member of the party: "I do
not believe in or advocate the initiation of force to achieve political
or social goals."

-- 
Lee Daniel Crocker    | Free minds; free bodies; free trade.
leecr@microsoft.com   | Libertarian Party  1-800-682-1776
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:21:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi,soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.151156.25229@tc.cornell.edu>,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) wrote:
> 
> In article <BzGMLp.vxL@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
> >Figure out a way
> >to make the new language attractive to use (instead of a grim
> >faced moralistic necessity), and people will jump on it quickly.
> >For example, if its hip to use gender-neutral/feminist-sensitive
> >language ......
> 
> It is.  Where does that leave you?

Only hip amongst the totalitarian tinkerbells of soc.motss.  But
then, any system of language which allows me to refer to Melinda
as "it" and still be "hip" can't be all bad.

*X*
(I suspect it will tire of this thread quickly, and it certainly
won't read anything I have to say, but it is still worth while
to take a shot at it whenever possible)
From: angi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Selective Memory?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:31:52 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

|gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

|>dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
|>:evidence, and to the flip ego posturing dominating many posts.  Well,
|>:the first thing I would like to know is, am I the only one that feels this?

|>No.

|And neither is he.

Ditto

Angi
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a *bench* of bisexuals?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:37:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>>moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>I have to say that the English have an amazing ability to politely
>>>ignore anything they find disturbing....
>
>>...  like America.
>
>Even California, Mike?

Well, I meant the riposite as a general factment of state.  It's worth
re-emphasizing that this is one Englishman (albeit one of a confused
bloodline) who tries *very*hard* not to react like "the English", just
like he avoids "most men's" behaviour.  In a sudden flash of
seriousness, I'd say that I'm going to California at least in part as
another affirmation and exploration of my repudiation of my heritage.
In other words, I'm going to let my hair down :-)

Has this any relevance here?  Well, for me, yes.  I won't suggest that
you have to be a cultural rebel to be bi (cf the delightfully dotty
Nick, or the repulsively republican Log Cabin Club), but I will say that
I would never have stepped over the line without going through the
complete cultural re-evaluation I'm still working on.

>(*bite*)

Ooh, come here and do that again :-)  (Although not as hard as was done
to a certain ex-vanilla friend of mine who showed me a complete set of
dental records in hir left shoulder ...)

nibbles
Mike, the increasingly culturally amorphous, who's off to meet a muffin
for lunch (!)
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 10:14:39 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
 <MUFFY.92Dec23234918@remarque.berkeley.edu>
 <92359.165646SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1992Dec27.061729.603@tcsi.com>

In article <1992Dec27.061729.603@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner
nmscore Assoc.) says:
>
>In article <92359.165646SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon
><SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>sexually attracted to women.  (Ideally, tall, slender, pale women
>>who delight in life, are suffused with fierceness, and have souls
>>like swordblades.)   *Emotional* attraction seems gender neutral.
>
>Check back with me when you've given up your obviously-doomed quest.
>I know this woman who is short, well-muscled, pale, delights in life,
>is suffused with practicality, and has a soul like a Swiss Army knife.

Sounds like a nifty person.

>That's two out of....lemme count, here....seven, which is about as good
>as I ever manage.
>
>The Swiss-Army-knife part might sound unromantic, but the problem with the
>swordblade-souls is they only cut two ways, and can't fix anything at all.
>Believe me, I've been through it.
>---
>Michael Turner
>miket@tcs.com

Well, actually, the only one of those characteristics Herself is a maybe on
is 'suffused with fierceness' - lots of it in there, but still a tad shy
about letting it out.

What I mean by 'soul like a swordblade' is that it is bright, flexible,
tough, sharp, and recognized as requiring maintenance.  (excessive
metaphor density? nah...)

Of course, she might still turn me into a newt.

Graydon
Xref: sparky soc.bi:17161 soc.motss:53432
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:46:06 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Dec21.224716.8847@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>We had one bozo here who said-- and I quote:
>   >>>I can't *see* the point of feminism if it isn't to clue in the type
>   >>>of person I used to be, and then to continue educating the type of
>   >>>person I've become.
>
>Jess said it many articles ago:  Feminism is not about men, it's
>about women.  Smart men, who understand why there is feminism and
>agree with its principles, find ways of educating themselves. 
>I'm not holding my breath on this one.

Note that the "bozo" talked about clueless people; you're talking about men.

				Kay
				
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Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:54:38 GMT

In article <BzMADt.1n7u@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>
>And you appear naive to assume that an unattractive, coerced
>strategy of straightening out the English language will EVER
>succeed.  Besides, AGAIN you misrepresented my position - I was
>using "hip" as a suggestion - it really doesn't MATTER how 
>gender-neutral language is made pallatable.  I could care less
>about the means, but care a great deal about the goal.  You
>may choose to read every third word in this, too - that is
>your right - but it is the truth.

Really? Do you think that people stopped using the word 'nigger' because
they were carefully marketed to?  I don't think so.


Ry
ry@usl.com
Xref: sparky soc.bi:17142 soc.motss:53393
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:09:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec22.050924.1184
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <Bzn6C7.FLq@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>Soyoucanhurtmeandridiculeme,Mara.Whatarevelation.Somehow,readingthatquote
>outofcontextitdoesn'tsaywhatIwantedittosay.Itwouldhavebeenniceofyouto
>ascribeenoughhumanitytometoaskforaclarification.Fine,you'vegotme,I'mdown
>anddeservetobebeatenforfailingtocommunicate,andforstumblingovermyideasbadly.
>Bonuspointstoyouformakingmefeellikesuchanidiotastotryandreplyseriouslytoyou
>inmail.Please,uponreceivingthatemailfeelfreetouseittofinishmeoff.Atthispoint
>it'samercykilling.WhatImighthavereallymeantbyanyofthisdoesn'tseemimportant
>anymore.

Ah, shaddap.  Will someone please put this guy out of his misery?
I have to tell you, Brad--you must be someone only a connoisseur
fine whines could appreciate.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: Colorado boycott
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:51:46 GMT

I saw some debate on this on CNN with Sununu representing the
right, a gay guy representing the left, a white male fundie
who helped pass the referendum in CO, and a lesbian who is
backing the boycott. God, was I fuming by the end. Sununu
was really pushing the woman about how harmful the boycott
would be to innocent people.

Like the BUSH administration sanctions against Yugoslavia
don't hurt the majority of peace-loving people there. Yeah,
they really need to go after Bobby Fischer for playing some
chess games there and impeding the peace effort. :-)

Mark

Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:17:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.153240.17210@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) 
writes:
[re:  the word "denigrate"]
>The truly PC reaction is, of course, to strike it from your
>vocabulary.  I'm not really convinced that it's the effective
>opposite of saying something like, "That's mighty white of you,"
>but if the word is going to land badly on someone's ears for that
>reason, I can generally find an elegant workaround.

This reminds me of the scene in "Malcolm X" when Malcolm is looking up 
"black" and "white" in the dictionary and finds that all the associations with
"black" are evil, and that all the associations with "white" are pure.

-Tom Albright

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Understanding
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:08:03 GMT

In article <Bzpwut.Dw@ibmpcug.co.uk> shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio) writes:
:Why, Graham, if I didn't know better, I'd swear you'd been reading Camille
:Paglia. ;-)

Well, you do know better and don't swear!  Actually, I haven't read any of
her books, but I saw a 1-hr special on her and was very sympathetic to a
lot of what she said.

G

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: More words stuff
Keywords: hysteron-proteron
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:12:50 GMT

In article <BzpwwK.rK@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
:Nononono.  The male analogue of the uterus (= Gk 'husteron') isn't
:the testes.  I can't remember where it is, but it's probably one of

Perhaps it's arse-about-face? <*chortle,chortle*>

G
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Fluffiness & Flames
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:30:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1h3a9aINN9c3@agate.berkeley.edu>
rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>[...] It'll go back to being fluffy sometime soon, I
>think ... and then we'll all sit back, lick our wounds

Could get interesting! :-)

>No public hugs at the moment ... not in the mood, I'm afraid, and I'm
>spending my emotional energies right now to keep my defenses functioning
>well ...

   Enemy screens are down, Captain!

   Fire e-hug projector!

Hug
 hug
  hug
   hug
    hug
    \ | /
  -- HUG --
    / | \

   Gotcha!
--
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Empress Sue)
Subject: Re: Okay...okay...here is an official demuffin...
Reply-To: shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:45:16 GMT

In article <773238q@rpi.edu>, safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>Welcome!  Welcome!  So glad you could join us, please, do come in.
>Have a seat!  Have two!  Cookie?  Hug?  Yes?
><Hugs!> :)
Why thank you <blush> that was lovely...oh, and the cookie too ;) <grin>.

>Brandeis?  Hrm... How's Ofer doing down at WBRS?
Oh dear...is this where I say, who's Ofer?  Actually...um...ahem...I 
listen to <looks around to make sure she's alone...yep> um...WUMB 
(UMass Boston) mostly.  I like their station.

>-Points
>________________________________________________________________________________
> If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
>________________________________________________________________________________
By the way, I like your sig.

Sue (Banimpire)

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: j_babylo@oz.plymouth.edu (Jessica L. Babylon)
Subject: Re: AS long as we are hugging...
Summary: As long as you don't mind..
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:34:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.021922.24009@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>Well I thought that if Roy could ask for a hug then I could to...God knows I
>need one today....SO how about it, can a muffin get a hug?
>
>
>:-) Jen

If you don't mind hugging people you don't know, sure

- Dingbag "giving big warm fuzzies to anyone in need of a little love
and care" the Goddess
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Understanding
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:05:57 +0000

	If I may follow up Stella's nifty posting with a little tiny instance of
	tactical advice; the word 'feminist' tends to make most men defensive.

Well, to 'fess up for the first time, I've always considered myself a
feminist, but I'd never (present exception excluded) say so in public
because 1) women tend to get ratty about it and 2) I'm no more feminist than
I'm masculinist.  I really consider myself a humanist, and identify with
the goals of feminism as far as they can be applied to both sexes: equal rights,
equal opportunity, fewer inappropriate gender roles being foisted on either
sex.  Although I believe I act day to day in accordance with my principles,
I'm slightly wary of men who call themselves feminists - when *I* can
observe that they often act like classic MCPs - but I'm *very* wary of women
who describe themselves as feminists - when I observe *them* acting as
classic FCSs.

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:31:51 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <1992Dec21.175438.20068@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>Really? Do you think that people stopped using the word 'nigger' because
>they were carefully marketed to?  I don't think so.
>
>
>Ry
>ry@usl.com

Let me try to understand this:  using proper English "him/her"
and "she/he" is the equivalent to using the improper, scatalogical
and racist word "nigger."

Is THIS what Mara, and Melinda, and all other sensitized womyn
think out there (as if aggregates had much meaning in this
context)?  That using proper pronouns == *nigger ?

People stopped using it for a variety of reasons.  The Black
Muslims made it unhip (and, er, unsafe) to do so.  There was
no positive marketing campaign, that's true.  Is this to say that
we should NOT use marketing techniques.

AGAIN, RY, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE?  Give us your best creative thoughts,
because God knows we have only heard your negativity.
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From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:53:37
Organization: savage hackers
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In-reply-to: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:55:56 GMT


In article <BzqCt8.1tzt@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
> I can't imagine why someone could EVER be "for" less choice.

  Don't hang around talk.abortion then, do ya?

 -- d
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