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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Tarot of the Old Path
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:48:47 GMT

In article <030193024853@cemmac19.cem.msu.edu> Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of Ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
>     I've always been interested in learning how to read tarot cards, but
>the thought of trying to keep the meanings of all those different cards
>straight gave me a headache. After years of resisting the urge, a deck
>absolutely screamed  "BUY ME! BUY ME NOW!!!" Ah, well. So here I am with
>this perfectly lovely deck I know nothing about. The Tarot of the Old Path.
>As if that weren't bad enough, I've been told it differs from the
>traditional decks a bit. 
>     The point, the point. I know it's here somewhere! Ah, yes. A local
>bookstore  specializing in such matters is offering a six week course for
>very green tarot users such as myself. They recommend, however, a Rider
>Waite deck for the class to learn on. Here's the million dollar question.
>Should I stick with the only deck that's ever inspired me to learn? Should
>I purchase a Rider Waite deck for the class and figure out the difference
>when the course is over? Is anyone else familiar with the Tarot of the Old
>Path? Was this a bad choice for my first deck? (They did practically hurl
>themselves off the shelf and into my resisting hands, afterall!)  I would
>deeply appreciate any advice on the matter. I should also mention that I
>REALLY dislike the R.W. deck. No offence meant to those who like it.
>     I do go on don't I? Sorry! I couldn't resist once I saw there were no
>other entries in this group! Thanks in advance!
>
>     Blessings, Lisa Ann (Or she who is perpetually lost)
>
>********************************************************************************
>     I'm not sure where I'm going, but that's o.k. Half the fun is getting
>there!     -Me
>********************************************************************************
>  

You should take the class, but with the Rider/Waite deck. Since you
are just learning, you should concentrate more on what others can teach
you instead of distracting yourself (and your class) with the arcane
differences between decks. The Rider/Waite deck is perfectly fine to
teach the basic concepts. You can apply them to any deck later.

Hopefully, the teacher will concentrate more on different layouts and
the relationship between types of cards. It's been my experience that
the interpretation of the individual cards should be a personal thing.
Don't buy into the idea that a given card means exactly what someone
or some book tells you. When reading, if you don't know the book
meaning of a card, don't interrupt the reading to look it up. Rather,
go with your first impression.

Blessed Be...
Michael

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: (CANADA) Irving critics get mail backing expelled author
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:46:25 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac
Keywords: Irving,Victoria,Canada

File: irving.victoria

Victoria (B.C. Canada) Times-Colonist
Dec. 22, 1992 (C1)

              Irving critics get mail backing expelled author

By Gerard Young, Times-Colonist staff

               `Gutless' write replies to newspaper letters

Supporters of Holocaust revisionist David Irving are still busy, even though
the British author has been kicked out of Canada.

Some who wrote to local newspapers after his Victoria visit in November have
received packages of information defending Irving, who says the Holocaust
was exaggerated.

"All of them [letters] were against Irving because it was opportune to do
so," said an unsigned cover letter. "Not a single letter was published in
support of truth in history.

"Your prime aim was to distort rather than to correct. With very few
exceptions it seems that none of you had read any books by Irving."

Jim Jaarsma, Victoria parks and recreation commission chairman, received a
package of information defending Irving after he wrote a letter to a
newspaper.

But he said the sender went to some trouble because his address isn't listed
in the phone book. However, his address is accessible through public
records, as he is a former candidate for city council.

Jaarsma, whose grandfather was Jewish, wrote that Irving and others like him
shouldn't be banned.

"We have an opportunity to expose people like that," he said Monday.

He believes, however, that those who promote hatred through rascism should
face criminal charges as defined in law.

Jaarsma is concerned that, when Holocaust survivors and witnesses are
eventually all dead, only artificial records of events will be available and
historical revisionism will become even more rampant.

By keeping the issue exposed to scrutiny now, memory of the horrors won't
diminish, he said.

"How could anybody not believe that it happened?" he asked.

Jaarsma also called the sender "gutless" for not signing the cover letter,
which is filled with spelling mistakes.

Michael Peters, chairman of the Victoria Jewish Community Relations
Committee, received the same package after writing to the newspaper.

He said the issue is hardly worth discussing and events of the Holocaust are
easily provien and Irving refuted.

The package deals more with defending Irving's credibility as a historian
and with condemning his arrest and expulsion than with challenging the
Holocaust.

Irving, 56, was expelled from Canada in November after a controversial visit
here. He can't return to Canada unless he has special permission, say
immigration officials.

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                 Information is power - get connected
From: chamre@nyx.cs.du.edu (craig hamre)
Subject: Info sought on DebtFREE America, Inc.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:19:07 GMT


I would like some information on DebtFREE America, Inc. or PRIMERICA. 
Yesterday I signed up as an Associate/Subscriber of DebtFREE and I am not
sure what I am getting into.  Please e-mail me with info soon.  I have 30
days to cancel my agreement.
From: lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu (LOBANOV)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: business teleconferences
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:09:14 GMT
Reply-To: lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Hi!

I have a question: Are there any business nets, business teleconferences,
etc. in US (except this news group :-) and how one can access them via
e-mail, FTP, modem?

Thanks in advance,
                   Victor

E-mail: lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu
From: cs655@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Siddhartha Arora)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Jan. 4th 1992
Date: 3 Jan 1993 15:32:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The London Financial Times is publishing a special issue
on Jan. 4th 1993!
	    ^^^^^
Why is the FT pink? Find out and read it!

Call 800-628-8088 to fin d  out where it is sold across the US.
-- 
S. ARORA
UMass Amherst 
e-mail:		ARORA@ecs.umass.edu
		cs655@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Software development in Russia?
From: vnoble@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:21:13 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS


Hi out there in NETland!

I am contemplating investing some money in software development in Russia and
selling it here in US.  It seems to be a good idea since software is a heavily
labor-consuming product with little hardware investment required to start it
out.  As you know, Russia now has a lot of skillful mathematicians, physisists
and programmers who are actively seeking an opportunity to earn any hard
currency.  With exchange rate at rediculously low level and the cost of labor
which is THE cheapest in the world, Russia looks like a heaven for software
development.  Besides, I was born there and lived there until about 5 years
ago, so it is reletively easy for me to establish right contacts.

I would like to solicit your opinion on the following matter.  Short time ago I
encountered an ad of a Russian software company offering different products such
as computer graphics, PC games, learning packages for children with game
elements, and so on.  My question is: Can I try to become a distributor of
their products in US and what kind of agreements are generally required? If I 
had a distribution or licencing agreement with those guys, how would I go
about selling this stuff here? Is there a market for, say, PC games or 
learning packages?  How can I interest big software resellers like CompUSA
or Egghead to carry them? Unfortunately, I do not have any experience in
selling software, so any info on this will be highly appreciated.

You can E-mail me at Vnoble@dhvx20.csudh.edu.

Thank you for taking time to read this.

Vladimir Noble
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Mary Christmas everybody!
Date: 24 Dec 92 09:29:19 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hey!!
Where is everybody!!!
It is borrrrrring when nobody posts anything!
Well..
MARY CHRISTMAS to all you!


I wish everybody HAPPY HOLIDAYS and remember
JANUARY is the right time to B R I N G   P E O P L E I N  your network!
Lets go and GET THEM!!!!!!!

Santa ...
Ooops!
Greg Voykhansky
From: lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu (LOBANOV)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Russian market
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

The market in Russia is growing very fast now. And though many companies
have found already their profit overthere, there is still a plenty of
place in this market for the business of any size! 
The Russian agency could distribute the advertisement for the foreign 
companies in Russia. The service is very divers in scale and price, 
starting from posting an announcment in the Russian business teleconferences 
to the distribution of the advertisements through the mass media. Other 
services like representing the interests in Russia, answering phone calls 
about product information, etc. are also available.
If somebody is interesting please contact me via e-mail.

Victor Lobanov, lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Septic Inquirer
Date: 25 Dec 1992 18:35:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) says:

>Does anyone know how to subscribe to something called 
>the Skeptical Inquirer?  
>Thanks all.
>


     The debunking Committee for the Scientific Investigation of the 
Claims of the Paranormal, launched a 1978 research project which
expected to expose the Gauquelins' astrological research as fake. To their
embarrassment the same results were achieved and were duly covered up
until they were leaked in 1983.   

     Gauquelin himself showed that their results had been
misrepresented, and reinterpreted them to show that they did replicate
his original findings. Recently they ran a new test, which again
replicated Gauquelin's results.  
 
	So much for "objectivity"
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Septic Inquirer
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:01:15 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1hfk9gINN7k4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>     The debunking Committee for the Scientific Investigation of the 
>Claims of the Paranormal, launched a 1978 research project which
>expected to expose the Gauquelins' astrological research as fake. To their
>embarrassment the same results were achieved and were duly covered up
>until they were leaked in 1983.   
>
>     Gauquelin himself showed that their results had been
>misrepresented, and reinterpreted them to show that they did replicate
>his original findings. Recently they ran a new test, which again
>replicated Gauquelin's results.  
> 
>	So much for "objectivity"

In the name of objectivity, where are Gauquelin's reinterpretation,
and the new test documented?

-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 	013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Request for information.
Date: 25 Dec 1992 17:39:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath, RM>) says:

(About the Skeptical Enquirer people)
>|> and that they will use any
>|> tactics necessary to achieve that goal.

RM>False.  Blatantly and flagrantly false.  You might not like the
RM>magazine, but impugning the integrity of it's authors is a lie 
RM>and an insult.
>

*WHAT* integrity?!

	It is a worthless publication. It will do anything to "prove"
the paranormal doesn't exist. Maybe they are afraid there is a soul or
something and that it will rot in hell and they organize themselves into
an org that will "prove" that wrong so that they can sleep at night.
The proof is how thet lied and hid information on purpose when their
Astrology independent study gave the sam POSITIVE results as Gauquelin's
in France and another study. So when it's convenient", they cheat.
Worthless.

	I will not even respond to any replies (if any) to this post...
From: gck@aero.org (Gregory C. Kozlowski)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Skeptical Inquirer / CSICOP
Date: 24 Dec 1992 02:18:06 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org
Summary: NOT



In my opinion reading the Skeptical Inquirer is like the National
Enquirer with all the ones and zeroes flipped.


<< Consensual reality is a special case >>
From: wjames@cse.ucsc.edu (John Amenta)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Lawsuit
Date: 26 Dec 92 18:27:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pal.ucsc.edu


Whatever happened to the American ideal, "I disapprove of what you
say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

I concur with Mr. Crocker.  The much greater evil is restricting the
freedom of posts on the net.  Individuals may be hurt occasionally,
but the general welfare of all is much better served if complete
freedom is allowed.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: dunn@hinano.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dunn)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Request for information.
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:56:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dunn@hinano.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hinano

In article uupcb@synapse.org, steve.crabtree@synapse.org (Steve Crabtree)  writes:
<To my dismay, it did not provide this balance. It seems to exist solely
<to promote the secular humanist disbelief in all things supernatural, in
<keeping with its close association with CODESH, the Council for
<Democratic and Secular Humanism.
      
This is off the topic, but I'm stumped about a definition for "Secular Humanism."  Does
a generally-accepted definition exist?  How does CODESH define it, and for that matter,
what does CODESH do?

My understanding of secular humanism has always been the belief that human life has
value, regardless of whether God exists.  To me, the existence of God does not dictate
the existence of "paranormal" phenomena. 

In short, just what IS secular humanism?  How does it relate to paranormality?
If I'm tempting a flame war, or this is an FAQ, I'd appreciate mail.

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From: dunn@hinano.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dunn)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: {Tele|Pyro}kinesis
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:38:47 GMT
Reply-To: dunn@hinano.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hinano

In article REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu, REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
<In article <1992Dec12.033552.4327@morwyn.uucp>
<forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:
<>I wonder if the concept introduced in this movie could be perhaps a
<>little realistic.  I wonder if a chemical stimulation of some sort
<>could in fact 'wake up' certain abilities within the mind.  I had
<>never heard of the "SHOP" before, but given all the other governmental
<>conspiracies and experimentations, I would doubt if they were working
<>at/with something of the sort, somewhere.
< 
<Stephen King's pet evil government agency is the Shop.  He's used it in
<several of his books, plus his "Golden Years" series.  I doubt if it
<actually exists.
< 

"The shop" is a slang term for the CIA, and is used in most fiction about intelligence
in modern times.  Supposedly, the term was coined by CIA agents themselves - hence
the saying, "Once shop, always shop."

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Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
From: sassoj@aix.rpi.edu (John J. Sasso Jr.)
Subject: Hardcopy Segment on Demonic Possession
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:33:08 GMT

   I was wondering, did anyone catch the segment on the TV show Hardcopy on
the man possessed by demons (this was on Dec. 29th or 30th, I believe).  I've
seen shows on possession (i.e. 20/20), where it was questionable whether or
not the person was possessed in terms of appearance (that is, when a person
is possessed, their facial appearance changes horrifically - called 
'transmogrification', I believe), but this man's face appeared very
demonic and very scary (I saw pictures where he wasn't possessed, which
are quite different).  
   Furthermore, does anyone believe in demonic possession?  One good book
I read on such a case was called "The Devil in Connecticut".
   Just thought I'd bring this up, since I usually never see a mention of
the subject in alt.paranormal.

                               J.S.

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: Precognition and Quantum Physics 2
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:57:37 GMT


Mind, Matter & Quantum Connection 2
Subjective evidence for advanced mental signals from the future in self-
creating loops in time (violating what Oxford's David Deutsch (Phys. Rev.D
Nov 14,91, "Quantum mechanics of closed timelike world lines") calls the
"principle of the philosophy of science") is found in James Gleick's book
GENIUS:

"A person with a mysterious storehouse of unwritten knowledge was a wizard.
So was a person with the power to tease from nature its hidden secrets ...
The modern scientist's view of his quest harkened back to something ancient
and cabalistic: laws, rules, symmetries hidden just beneath the visible
surface." . p.317

"The very notion of revelation, in the absence of a Revealer, became
disturbing to those who experienced it: '... something profoundly
convulsive and disturbing suddenly becomes visible and audible with
indescribable definiteness and exactness,' Friedrich Nietzsche wrote. 'One
hears - one does not seek; one takes - one does not ask who gives: a
thought flashes out like lightning..'  The genius, disturbed as he is,
makes errors and wrong turns that the ordinary person avoids. Still, these
madmen 'despising and overcoming obstacles which would have dismayed the
cool and deliberate mind - hasten by whole centuries the unfolding of
truth.' p. 318

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: Sarfatti's Dream
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:21:16 GMT


from WELL science 299 Data-Base for Precognitions - add your own!

#1 I awoke at 6am Jan 1, 1993 from a lucid dream in which I was in "London".
But this was a London of the future. I wandered several neighborhoods.
The dream was marked by extremely vivid archtectural detail in full color.
It was a City of Gods - incredibly beautiful composition of structure and
natural envioronment - crisp fresh air - Fairy Tale Castles harmonious with
modern structures that Frank Lloyd Wright might envy. Such a lucid dream was
no doubt experienced by Samuel Coleridge when he wrote about Kubla Kahn's
Xanadu. I may have tapped into the same dream coming from the future. I
would leave this place and time without hesitation should a Star Ship arrive
and offer me passage.

What is odd about this is that normally I do not remember my dreams and I
am not very sensitive to architecture - but this was so glorious like a
Beethoven symphony in stone, vegetation and unknown artificial materials yet
to be constructed by quantum solid state engineers.

I was not alone but guided by another creature whose form I cannot remember.
We came upon two earthy British women. I began a flirtatious conversation
and woke up.

I normally do not remember my dreams.

If you have interesting dreams of an occult or metaphysical or precognitive
nature - record them here as accurately as you can for later scientific
study.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal