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From: gupta@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Sanjay K. Gupta)
Subject: Reporting the Reason for Riots
Status: OR
Apparently-To: alt-hindu@uunet.uu.net
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Billerica, Mass. (USA)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:25:19 GMT
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Hi,
     	Here is an analysis by one of the largest circulation english journal 
     India Today. In its analysis about situation in Uttar Pradesh
     "The reason being that most people had had their fill of Ayodhya related
     violence in 1990 under Mulayam Singh Yadav. But no thanks to state govt.
     Most districts hardly had enough force to cope with large scale rioting.
     Anxious to pre-empt a Hindu attack, many muslims went on to offensive." 
     
     	What is it if not a support to the violence. The reporters of India 
     Today should remember thet BJP doesn't require their thank as it has been 
     shown in one of their own analysis that people are overwhelmingly thanking
     BJP for what they have done. During one and a half year of BJP govt. in
     UP only one major riot happenned in UP unlike the supposedly secular 
     earlier regimes when there used to be riots every other day and used to 
     continue for months. The riot happened in the holy city of Varanasi, the 
     place I'm proud to belong to. The way it was put down was unparalleled. 
     The riot started when a muslim mob attacked a peaceful Kali idol procession
     being carried out by a sizeable but humble(weak?) Bengali community of 
     Varanasi. The Times of India analysis wrote: "The authorities are to blame 
     as to why they allowed a procession to be taken out in front of a mosque."
     At one time there was curfew in 48 towns of UP during tense days of Oct'90.
     The reason given was provocation by BJP to the muslims. Well if that be the
     case then the biggest provocation was the BJP itself in power and saying
     every other day that they are going to build the temple.
	Any discerning reader can see through the anti-BJP animus  that clouds 
     the judgement of these fellow travellers who control Indian print media. 
     India Today again gives reason for little violence in TN to the limited 
     base of BJP. Probably same  doesn't apply to states like Bengal, Kerala and
     many other states where BJP has limited base and also what about Himachal 
     Pradesh and Rajasthan where BJP controlled the state goverments and the 
     states had little or no violence in comparison to Congress controlled 
     Maharashtra and Gujarat.

     Sanjay K. Gupta
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la Vijay Fafat)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:07:19 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1993Jan20.233305.28533@newshost.lanl.gov> lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri  505-667-6825) writes:
>Aren't you taking this far too seriously? 

Excuse me, Sir.  You seriously think this is taking it far too seriously ?
;-O

>Am I going to regret saying this?

you betcha ! You fail to understand that *your query* is currently being
analysed, to see if it will qualify for the *too serious* category. ;-)

>Amitabha Lahiri, e-mail:lahiri@pion.lanl.gov
>Disclaimer: No one else is responsible for what I say, and vice versa.

Mr. Disclaimer, are you willing to testify against Mr. Amitabha ? :-|
;-)


Arathi.

PS : My travel agent recommends 'lando jugular'. ;-)

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From: ascidamb@unity.ncsu.edu (Aruna Cidambi)
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la Vijay Fafat)
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:35:53 GMT

Arathi, don't u know better than to play with kids? When will u ever learn?
sigh! and that too deficient kids like these -- one is toothless, the
other is truth-less and the third is both. for those who r fortunate
enough not to know these lemme explain -- ssd: toothless, u-know-who: truthless
and venu: both.

ok kids, game's over. run along now, and not a whimper from the three of
u. we don't want the big aunties to hit us where it hurts most, now do we?

p.s: arathi, watch now. they r gonna come howling back, in the true sci
tradition of boys-will-be-boys-if-not-worse, with the support of friends
and enemies alike.
-- 
aruna 
                                    ***
Fiercely the evening sun descended
Burning its way across the heavens.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:39:12 EST
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Appraisal of the BJP


In article <1993Jan19.173131.46527@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu says:
>
> (1) Introduce capitalistic reforms in Indian economy - as Rao is doing.
>
> (2) Rehabilitate the kashmiri pandits and Hindus and Punjabis who have been
>     the hapless victims of Pakistani agression.
>

For your information the present government already have introduced
capitalistic reforms far in excess of what BJP has ever promised.
Go to the sixties and seventies and read economic reforms agenda
of the then BJP.

Believe me or not but the improving law-order situation in Punjab
will have some bearing on Kashmir also. Now how will that be utilized
is a matter of speculation but BJP/VHP/RSS atleast should not make
the matter worst.

regards..       Deepak


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From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: A Passage from the Rig Veda
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:31:09 GMT

In article <48984@ogicse.ogi.edu>, krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy) writes:
> [Some lines deleted]
>
>         Whatever he made the world or did not make it,
>         He knows whence this creation came, he only
>         Who in the highest heavens guards and watches;
>         He knows indeed, but then, perhaps, he knows not!
> 
>         I have the following comment to make:
> 
>         The last line is similar to St.John's statement in
>         the Fourth Gospel of the New Testament:
> 
>              " And the light shineth in the darkness;and    
>                the darkness comprehendeth it not."
> 
>         Probably the above lines and the last line of the
>         passage indicate that the creation of the universe
>         is a spontaneous process rather than a self-willed
>         one.          
>

I dont understand what you mean by self-willed process.

IMO, the author of the Rig Vedic passage is not trying to say
anything about the creation of the Universe. Instead, he/she
is marvelling at the immensity of Universe. In the last line,
the author wonders if even God is capable of knowing everything
(about the Universe). That God may not know everything is a bold
speculation. Elsewhere the author would have been branded heretic
and committed to flames.

> 
> Ashok Krishnamurthy,
> Dept. of MS & E,
> OGI,Oregon,USA.
> ---------------

RKP
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From: prasad@seas.smu.edu (Nageswara G. Prasad)
Subject: Re: Rajiv Gandhi jokes
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:07:58 GMT

In article <19709.2b62e05e@ecs.umass.edu> rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>In article <1jpn17INNlsr@overload.lbl.gov>, prem@prem.lbl.gov (xyz) writes:
>> |> >Given that he died in such violent circumstances, this is in extremely
>> |> >bad taste. If you find this funny, it's a sad commentary on your sense
>> |> >of humor. 
>>     Are you saying we should let him  "REST IN PIECES"  ?!?!?!
>	No DoOdE !!! What he *is* saying is that we should improve the
>	"taste". Maybe a little more salt.... :-)

		....and a little pepper. With occasional stirring.
			but I have a hunch it won't taste any better.

					-prasad
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BJP
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:01:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA


In article <1993Jan20.212527@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes...
> 
>I've always wondered why BJP supporters always put ties with Israel
>at the top of their list, sometimes even higher than ties with the US.
>Reasons ranging from unprecedented import of Israeli technological wonders and
>ofcourse their famed methods of fighting terrorism are bandied about.
> 
>The fact that they are fighting the common enemy: the "Mozzzlems" perhaps plays
>only a small part.
> 
>--Javed.
> 
> 

	Probably both (BJP and Israelis) have common concerns about
	Muslim aspirartions in their respective country.

   Note:
	Since some fellows have reached my employer through their favorite
	connections, I would like to clear some confusion about my views.
	I am not a BJP supporter. I don't like politics. I hate congress
	more than BJP. I will pick BJP if asked to pick a party. It doesn't
	mean that I like BJP. I am an American first and an Indian
	nationalist second. I will fight anything negative about India
	among my fellow Americans. Supporting democratic principles is
	not unAmerican but very much American.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: ighosh@frx715.intel.com (Indraneel Ghosh - EPG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On "Secularism and Science" by T. Jayaraman
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:17:01 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

>
>Here are some of the problems I found with the article:
>
>1. Religious or national chauvinism is not the only factor inhibiting
>   the scientific spirit. For example, the pseudo-science of Lysenkoism
>   flourished in the USSR under Stalin, a fact omitted by the author
>   when lauding the progress of science under the soviets.
>
>2. No convincing case is made that purging of Jewish scientists led to
>  a qualititative decline in Nazi science; rocketry did flourish under
>  the Nazis for example. 
>
>3. Similarly, no attempt is made to show that a BJP government will be
>   necessarily more inmical to mass propagation of scientific education
>   than the present governmentt is.  Scientific education among the
>   masses is virtually negligible today; even at the elite levels, 
>   the socialistic, secular scientific establishment, in the form of
>    CSIR et al, has produced at best mediocre return on investment. 
>
>4. It is not clear that immoral behavior necessarily inhibits scientific
>   work in individuals, or even at the level of institutions. For example,
>   the barbarous human experiments in Nazi concentration camps are said
>   to have yielded sound scientific results.
>
>Bapa Rao

 I believe that irrational (and unscientific) hatred of any group of people
 is ultimately inimical to scientific progress.

 I had once read the autobiography of Albert Speer, who was Hitler's
 minister for arms production (he wrote it in prison after he was convicted
 at the Nuremburg trials).

 One of the most interesting facts I learned was that Hitler refused to
 fund nuclear research because he believed that quantum mechanics was a
 "Jewish science".

 Thus, Nazi Germany, which had a lot of excellent scientists left (even
 after the departure of people like Einstein) could not produce an atom
 bomb. Of course, we must be grateful for this but it illustrates my
 point.

 Just my personal views.

 Indraneel.

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From: harikuma@enterprise.ifp.uiuc.edu (G. Harikumar)
Subject: Re: Whether the BJP can Deliver (on Capital Punishment)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:25:24 GMT

sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.205335.10143@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper
>2) writes:
>|> As a matter of fact I would like capital punishment removed
>|> as from the Indian penal code. This a nothing but barbaric
>|> society approved "murder" and retribution that does not stop


>Yet another reason for this is economic. If you choose instead to imprison
>for life those vicious killers who are sentenced to death, you have to
>spend huge sums of money keeping vermin alive for years on end (the cost
>in NY for exanple, is $40,000.00 p.a.). Why should society pay to keep
>people who they have judged to be unfit to inhabit human society alive,
>and at such a prohibitive cost?

>-- 
>Srinivas Sunder                                         



This is one area where I too take exception to
conventional liberalism. I just cannot fathom the
blathering of these idiots who talk about execution
being "cruel and inhuman punishment" to some hairy
horror who has run wild and slain six. I wish someone
would come up with up an "aging" drug that increases
man's physical age by as many years as one 
wishes - instantaneously. That way, if someone 
is sentenced to 10 years, he can be aged 10 years
instantaneously... society does not have to foot the 
bill for feeding and clothing him for 10 years. 
I do not support the policies
of the middle east countries as a rule, but look at
the result of their strict penal code... 
crime is non-existent.


G. Harikumar.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Are laser disks of the Hindi movies available in the market?
From: smp@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:22:28 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center

I would like to know if laser disks (video disks) of the Hindi movies are
available in the U.S. or Indian markets.  If available how much they cost?

All comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.

Shailesh
-- 
Shailesh Potnis, Associate	|Concurrent Engineering Research
Member of Technical Staff	|Center, West Virginia University
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From: am299bv@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.visa.us
Subject: Waiver of J-1 residency requirement for Indians?
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:43:22 GMT
Reply-To: rbhumbla@ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Could someone let me know answers to the following:

1.	How difficult is it for the J-1 home residency requirement
to be waived for Indians?

2.	What is the procedure for getting the waiver?  Is it all done
by the Indian government or is INS also involved in it?

Someone I know is considering changing the status from F-2 to J-1 to
be able to take up a part-time job at a university.  Would this be
worthwhile or is no job worth the hassle involved in doing this?

I would be grateful for any answers/suggestions/flames.  Please the
reply directly to me and if I'll summarize if I get any positive
response.

Thanks,
Ravi
--
Ravinder Bhumbla	rbhumbla@ucsd.edu    U. of California, San Diego
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:53:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1993Jan23.220022@IASTATE.EDU>, aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) writes:
> In article <C1BuJt.9nE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
> (unknown) writes:
> > > > No it doesn`t. In India they are oppressed by Hindu`s. In Israel they are
> > > > unlawfuly deprived of their homeland. In Bosnia they are slaughtered 
> > > > because they are of a different race. And in Russia untll recently, they 
> > > > were denied the right to practive their own religion......
> 
> > > In article <1993Jan22.194722@IASTATE.EDU>, aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas
> Aluru) writes:
> > >   Recently, in Saudi Arabia, a hindu is punished by state for practicing 
> > > his religion in the privacy of his own home. I wonder why....
> > > 
> > > -aluru
> > > > 
> > 
> >     I am aware of this depsicaple act by the hipocritical rulers of Saudi 
> > Arabia. Saudi Arabia is not a true Islamic state. It is a country full of
> > hypocrtical leaders. What these people do is not indicative of Islam 
> > (although they will insist it is). 
> > _
> > Rafat Sadiq
> > 
> 
> I am aware of the despicable acts by the hiprocritical rulers of India,
> Israel, Russia and the mobs in Bosnia. India is not a true Hindu state,
> Israel is not a true Jewist state etc.. What these troublemakers do are not
> indicative of their respective religions (although they will insist they are)
> 
> Moral of the story: The same argument can be applied to both sides. Either
> identify troublemakers with their religions or not, but be consistent. If
> you call hindu trouble makers hindus, jewish trouble makers jewist, also call
> muslim trouble makers muslim. If you think muslim trouble makers are not true
> muslims, so are hindu trouble makers not true hindus etc...
> 
> -aluru

  I have never condemned all Indians for the destruction of the Babri Masjid.
From the reaction on this net, I could conclude that a significant amount of
the subscribers would censure the BJP. My entire point was to say that 
the reason such conflicts exist are usually because Muslims are oppressed.
It could be becuase of ethnic, political, or religious conflicst.

regards
Rafat Sadiq
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From: an5953@anon.penet.fi
Subject:      THE AYODHYA OUTRAGE AND THE PSEUDOSECULARISTS
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:30:12 GMT


skumar@cup.hp.com (Sanjaya Kumar) says:

>Kuram T Narayana (narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu) wrote:
>:
>: This guy pramanath sastry, Sanjeev Mahajan, Chukka Srinivas, Bhudiraju
>: belong to the same category of people. Remember the great peoples war group
>: ....
>: ...kt
>
>KT,
>
>I'd be honored if you were to add my name (Sanjaya Kumar: a mere lurker on
>s.c.i.) to the list above. I figured it was time to stand up and be counted.
>
>Sanjaya


 I think it is time for every one to stand up and be counted as a true beleiver
 in future of India. That way we can know the truthfulness of Mr Ajay
 Shah's claim that 90% of Indians in US are fascist filth. Every one who
 thinks that the following definitions of a pseudo secularist fits them well
 please be counted.

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From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:02:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.194722@IASTATE.EDU>, aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) writes:
> In article <C1A5r3.7tn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
> (unknown) writes:
> > In article <lm0o7jINN9mn@kalahari.cs.utexas.edu>, anshu@cs.utexas.edu
> (Anshuman Goyal) writes:
>   Recently, in Saudi Arabia, a hindu is punished by state for practicing 
> his religion in the privacy of his own home. I wonder why....
> 
> -aluru
> > 

    I am aware of this depsicaple act by the hipocritical rulers of Saudi 
Arabia. Saudi Arabia is not a true Islamic state. It is a country full of
hypocrtical leaders. What these people do is not indicative of Islam 
(although they will insist it is). 
_
Rafat Sadiq
From: rf@earth.sarnoff.com (Rajamani Ganesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Hindi fonts for the MACintosh SE
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:44:37 GMT
Organization: David Sarnoff Research Center


Hello folks - Excuse me if this question has been asked before - 
Would any kind soul let me know as to how I can get Hindi fonts for the 
Macintosh SE  ?    Thank you 

Be Happy
Ganesh

rf@earth.sarnoff.com
rganesh@sarnoff.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale)
Subject: Re: U.S. Citizen NRIs Please leave India alone (Re: BJP)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:33:15 GMT

In article <1k68tgINN70s@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.141319.29007@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>>
>>	the western model for 45 years, let us try Indian model for just
>>	10 years. See the difference. Don't be so intolerant if you are
>
>it going to be?  The Indian model of the 17th-18th centuries which
>directly led to a takeover of a few hundred million people by European
>invaders totaling several thousand?  I would say that it was a failed
>model.  The India model of the 13th-16th centuries which led to the
>take over a few hundred million people by invaders from Muslim lands?
>I would say that it was a failed model as well.  Clearly there was
>something wrong with the Indian model *before* the arrival of the
>foreigners, since in fact that was the culture that *succumbed* to the

The Hindu culture teaches to treat one's guest with utmost honour and
respect. The guest is to be given food till he is satisfied, even if the
host has to starve. The guest is given the best place in the house to
take rest, where as the host sleeps someplace else....

The Hindus treated the muslims and europeans as guests, welcomed them, tried
to assimilate them...but, the already barbarian people attacked the Hindus
with all their, took away all their possession and completely subjugated
them politically. Further, they conquered the Hindu mind thru' education 
(this is for the Europeans). The Muslims used swords to achieve their
objectives...The Muslims usurped all the existing Hindu monuments, scribled 
some Islamic graffiti and claimed to have built the monuments themselves !
Then came the (in)famous theory of grand Islamic architecture !

The Hindus have always been unwise and passive politically, which is why
got subdued by ideologies like Islam.                       

People always talk about the "Hinduism teaches tolerance"...this tolerance
is the "tolerance towards other faiths" and nothing to do with "physical
tolerance". It is of no use preeaching non-violence to a person who is about
to slay you with his sword...If the person being attacked does not retaliate
with a sword, he is promised a miserable death....

PPG.
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