From: perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: tribal roots
Date: 25 Dec 92 09:37:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> There is NO real raves in Scotland anymore , they were murdered by all the E
>heads who started all the violence and all the rest of it , so you really don't
>know the half of it , do you , and London has a bloody different music scene to
>the one up here so don't base all your opinions on the southern part of the uk
> .... 
Well, I wasn't speaking about Scotland because, no I haven't been there but I
have spent the past 3 summers in England, I've spoken to many Scottish people
about the scene.  My best friend used to live in Edinburgh and used to travel
all over.  So I believe I know what I'm talking about.  Raving and techno are
from England, Belgium, etc. and not native to Scotland, first of all.  I've 
been to Manchester and I know the scene there (that's pretty north although I
know it's not Scotland) and I've seen the violence.  Don't blame it on the E
heads... they're not entirely to blame.  In fact, they partially made the 
scene what it is today which in my opinion is wicked and better than anything
else I've seen (although I was in New York for 88-9 so I can't speak about
then).  The techno you speak about is today crap and commercial.  Music is
ever changing, ever evolving.  Today's (good) techno is either acidic or
hardcore and underground... very hard to find but it's there.  So where 
exactly are you now?  Scotland still?

> ...... it's just that most of the good music is now house , as techno
> as I remember it died a few years back never to recover ....
 
Thank God!  Rest in peace...  hurrah for evolution, improvement and perfection

>heard any of the underground stuff , then hey , I might enjoy it .... but there
> isn't any techno underground in Scotland anymore , and I know I seem to just

That's not what my friends tell me!  That's why it's underground...  less 
chance of this going commercial if everyone knows about it!  I've even heard
about Aberdeen of all places!  One would think Glasgow or big cities.

>What is this British Telecom shit ? Don't go flaming my company , because for a
> start , it isn't even my company , I'm a student here for a year , and I'm the
> only one in our office even to appreciate dance music , never mind being
> reasonably up to date with new music , so get of that tack now .

Hey, I worked for BT this summer.  I know what's up there.
My statement was political in motivation.
It's one of the largest corporate institutions in the UK.  It's the capitalist
pigs that take something good, make it their own and sell it right back to
you... also known as the commercial world.  I don't expect you to agree but
the mentality of companies like BT are largely responsible for the end of
raving and techno as you know it.  However, in the end, it was a good thing
because now it's underground again (where it should be) and the quality is
better.  The music is by and for anti-establishment people... Dj's, hippies,
squatters, and general club/drug victims... or societal drop-outs (as suggested
by Timothy Leary and that lot).

> Anyway , enough of this shit , leave alone what you know not.
> 
How would you know what I know or know not?

wil-E
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perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez)
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