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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Flat centuries
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:54:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <9207162217.AA29541@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes:
>Flat centuries......  I'd have to put in my 2 cents worth to promote the
>Delta Century in Stockton, Ca.  This is one of the best run centuries
>I've done; and I've done quite a few Bay Area centuries.  My Advocet 80
>calculated a total elevation gain of 200 feet!  After riding 6,000 to
>10,000 foot centuries, I knew the Delta Century is where I could
>establish a personal best (4 hours 32 minutes).  I'd recommend at least
>one flat century a year, if only to boost your ego.

The Delta Century is great.  A good choice for your kid's first century ride,
too.

Remember to get started early, so that you can have a tailwind on the
return legs.  There *will* be a wind, but it waits until you've had a
fair chance to make it a tailwind.

Anyone know if Ed "Foxy Grandpa" Delano is still riding?  Last time I
saw him he was towing a young (well, 60-ish) friend back toward the
finish, talking all the while.

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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: TRIP REPORT: Ft. Collins to Milner Pass
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:53:21 GMT

In article <Jul24.172226.58726@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton) writes:
>	As usual I slept in. I got up at 7:15, ate a breakfast of 
>oatmeal and coffee, and got on the road at 9:40. 

Ah to sleep in! Sounds like heaven, and it's definitely one of my long
term goals in life. Maybe after BMB!

Sounded like a beautiful (albeit cold) ride.

thanks
pamela


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Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton)
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Originator: kmb@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:26:54 GMT


	I've never had problems cleaning freewheels in gas, just remember that
after soaking them you should flush them out good with water.  If any of the
solvent is left inside then it will break down any lube that you put in, and
after awhile you would have rusty bearings and a shot freewheel.

fini
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Neophyte Buying Advice
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:19:59 GMT

My wife and I are considering buying a pair of mountain bikes.  Intended
use would be recreational biking a few hours every week, maybe more often
for me.  Terrain would be wood trails (fairly tame ones) and roads.

The price range we are looking at is $300-400 (each).  I'm trying
to do a little bit of research before buying.  So far I have material
from Consumer Reports, the faq for this news group, and brochures from
several manufacturers.  What I'm looking for from the rec.bicycles.experts
is:

   - Specific recommendations on brands/models to consider.
   - General items to consider when buying bikes.
   - "Must-have" accessories to consider.
   - Other references.

I believe someone mentioned the 1992 Bicycling Buyer's Guide (March 1992
issue?).  Does it cover mountan bikes?  Is there a more appropriate news
group for mountain bikes?

Thanks in advance for any help...Joakim



--
Joakim Karlsson            | aviator@athena.mit.edu
Flying Fanatic in Training | Air: PP-ASEL  CAP: Freedom 110 Mobile  FCC: N1JHW
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                And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: markd@cup.hp.com (Mark_Donohoe)
Subject: Re: Mt. View, Ca. MTB rides
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:15:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu (Steve Milewski) writes:
: We just got our tickets for the Dead shows in August and will be headed
: down to Mt. View, Ca.
: 
: Does anyone know of any good MTB rides in the area? Since we'd want to
: get back in time for showers, dinner and the shows, I'd hope that they
: were fairly close by.
: 
: Thanks for your help.

Ya,
Try alpine road (not the road, the end of it...:)).  Take the alpine rd.
exit off of 280, head west (towards the hills)...good loop is:

Alpine rd to page-mill, west on page-mill to skyline (hwy35), cross 35 to
Russian Ridge Open Space area, ride into parking lot, take trail, winds up
on bluff...great views...keep going, now N. of starting pt. on Hwy35....
N. on 35 for about 1/4 mile(?)....look for crazy pete's road....(take a RT.)

Now on crazy Pete's, take left trail once in Coal Creek Open Space (at end
of Crazy Pete's road).....this trail will dump you back onto Dirt Alpine
Rd....Jam downhill! Semi loop is about 11 miles(?), moderate uphill.

There are others, but I have to get back to work.
-- 
Mark Donohoe (markd@cup.hp.com)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:01:54 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naru@hurricane.eng.umd.edu


In article <keReEGi00WB6I1yYUH@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sandi Alexander Kwee <sk1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Unlike the case with CrMo, steel, or titanium, the stress and strain
>placed on aluminum is additive -- meaning that every bunnyhop, bump, or
>fall continually weakens your Al frame until eventually it breaks.
>THis is different from the case of CrMo, steel, or Ti where if the
>stress is below a certain level, no structural damage is done. Does
>anyone know what Aluminum frame life expectancy bike designers shoot
>for when they design a frame? I'm sure some manufactures overbuild
>their frames more than others... Anyone have any anecdotes on the
>lifespan of their Aluminum bikes?
>--Sandi

Is this true?  I have a Cannondale so I would like to get an opinion
from a material engineer.

If this is true, BOY we are in trouble because think of all the 
airplanes flying above made w/ Al.  

Naru Takashima
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: funny stretch pants
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:06:58 GMT

In article <23JUL199222120733@iago.caltech.edu> lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:
>
> In the 'morning briefing' of the sports section of the LA Times of Sunday, 
>July 19 is a reprint of some comments by
> Mark Purdy of the San Jose Mercury News.
> He discusses the proposed realignment of pro baseball and suggests some other
>realignments, one of which is:
>
> "The Tour de France bicycle race should be realigned onto the Santa Monica
>Freeway - during rush hour. We would definitely see how many of those guys
>in the funny stretch pants are real men."

Of course, this silly comment would apply equally well to a baseball
game, a football game (any type), and probably even to the Indianapolis
500.

Adrian.
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ok to soak cluster in gas? Lemond the wimp!
Keywords: n
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:31:17 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 Well, I cleaned my cluster with the white gas which although not highly
recommended, is a convenient way to get it out of the house.
 
 After leaving it alone for around 24 hours so the solvent could evaporate I
used triflo to relubricate. I was advised to use tranny oil but triflow was
closest to cluster and seemed to make sense re penetration, coating effect,
teflon, etc.

 A did some tt's out in the park and although my times weren't more than
10 seconds faster per 3.3 mile loop, the cluster did seem to stop making
the annoying noise that made me think it was going to either lockup or
freewheel me into the asphalt.
 
Now the question is did I get enough lubricant into the cluster with the
few squirts of triflo or should I repeat this procedure x.x amount of times
till I feel the innards are totally coated?
 
Or...........do I have to break the whole cluster down and clean it over 
again because I implemented some major technical faux pas which can only
be rectified by a complete and immediate overhaul?? 

ttyl

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brooklyn, ny, usa                         Design & Consultation
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From: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Steve Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Women's Saddle
Date: 29 Jul 1992 14:17:28 GMT
Reply-To: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Steve Sands)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Many thanks to all who responded...the overwhelming favorite was the saddle
by Georgena Terry.  My wife purchased one, and she is much happier!

Steve Sands
ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning Water Bottles
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:49:42 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 16986@uc.msc.edu, johnc@msc.edu (John D. Cavanaugh) writes:

stuff deleted...

>
>Be very careful with full-strength chlorine bleach.  It will destroy
>your clothes if it gets on them, and I'd hate to even think about the
>damage it would do if it got into your eyes.
>-- 

Other than causing white spots when splashed on dyed clothing, supermarket variety chlorine bleach is quite harmless.  It is already a dilute solution of chlorine with water.  Using it "full strength" to clean water bottles is not a problem.  Getting it in your eyes will certainly sting but a good flushing with water will take care of that.  Best bet is to not slop it around.  A recent thread in rec.swimming discussed the announcement that chlorinated water may cause cancer... :-)  If thats the case, I mig

ht as well just start enjoying life - I've been swimming in and drinking chlorinated water for 30 years (actually 29.5).  I doubt I'm alone in the world.

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Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:51:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

What I want to know is, was the guy who lost the Mt. Evans Hill Climb last
weekend because his seatpost binder bolt broke using a standard, usually-
reliable chromo bolt or something he'd stuck on to save a few grams?  The
thought just occurred to me....

BTW, I noticed that Ritchey's lightest MTB frame -- is it the P-21? -- uses
only one half of a bolt to clamp the seatpost in place.  That half threads
into the frame itself, where the metal is so thin that I'd bet there are
about three threads engaged.  Lotso weight saved there, boy, and when you
strip those threads you'll be able to save even more weight when you buy 
whatever next years lightest frame is.
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law)
Subject: Profile Bars for MTB's
Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:41:06 GMT

The previous discussion on bar ends for MTB's I don't think anyone mentioned
Profile bars. These are the type that convert straight bars into Scott
lookalikes.

Does anyone have experience with them? Are they comfortable, light, cheap
or whatever? How do they compare to Scott bars?

I do mostly touring on and off road and the occasional race. I currently
have Onza bar ends which provide one extra position but I wouldn't mind
having extra positions.

Steve Law.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18728 ont.general:1234 can.general:3509
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (functionality)
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:20:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

As of the mid 70's the very best motorcycle helmets could only
protect you from a 13 mph collision. Materials have improved
_slightly_ so this may be a little better now (15 mph?) but bicycle
helmets are very much less protective.

This isn't to say that people shouldn't wear helmets -- I'm
living proof that they work pretty well.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams)
Subject: FAQ for mail-order houses?
Keywords: FAQ mailorder addresses phones 1-800
Reply-To: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:44:02 GMT

I keep hearing about all the neat stuff folks are getting from Nashbar,
etc.  Anyone want to post the name/address/phone# of these mail-order
outfits and some short commentary on their wares?  

Appologies if this is common knowlege - I'm just getting back into the
sport after a short (14 years) break.

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= exudnw@exu.ericsson.se                                                =
= David Williams              "You can't win, you can't break even,     =
= Ericsson Network Systems     and you can't quit"                      =
= Richardson, TX 75081                                  my opinions...  =

From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:58:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Flat centuries
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland) writes:

> While I'm very happy to be a former Kansas, I must take
> exception to the characterization of flat.  The elevation of Kansas on
> its eastern border with Missouri is a little over 800 feet but its
> western border with Colorado is almost 4000 feet.  Somewhere in
> between there must be an elevation change :-)

Come on, you're in Colorado now, you should know better than that!

If the eastern border were, say, only 15 miles from the western border, you'd
almost have a case: ~3000 ft in 15 miles yields ~200 ft/mile, still not even a
4% grade, but at least recognizable as a hill.

However, given the borders are really more like 500 miles apart, I continue to
be unimpressed.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: dmcpheet@ems.cdc.com (Dennis McPheeters)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: dmcpheet@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Jul27.191350.16923@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:
|> sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:
|> 
|> >	 THINGS TO HATE ABOUT NBC'S CYCLING COVERAGE (VERSION 1.0)
|> >	 ---------------------------------------------------------
|> >	 - Stupid scripted commentary
|> .

Everything everyone's posted about NBC's lousy coverage was true - it was really
disgusting to have to sit through all that schlock to see a few minutes of real
bicycle racing.

But at least I got to see some bicycling!!  NBC treats all sports just as poorly,
but out here in the cableless wilderness, I was impressed that they chose
bicycling to abuse, rather than endless gymnastics!  I actually got to see a few
minutes of a race!  How wonderful!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:13:31 GMT

Bryan Jones <BEJ102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.101051.7656@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk
>says:
>>Well, Greg Lemond has quit the Tour, and I for one will not miss him. I was
>>getting a bit fed up with all his whinging about not feeling to good on one
>>day, then saying he felt great the next (the day he and Chiapucci stole just
>>over a minute). You don't here people like Roche or Chiapucci complaining.

>Not to prejudice myself as a Lemod fan, but with the coverage that we in
>the states receive, you only get to see Lemond being interviewed.  As

I've only seen a typical American TV "sound bite" (or is that byte or
bight) of a Lemond interview; sound bites must be taken as
out-of-context information & any conclusions drawn from this limited
information is completely valueless.
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From: eggers@csd630a.erim.org (Patrick Eggers)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
In-reply-to: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu's message of Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:42:58 GM
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
	<EGGERS.92Jul28102714@csd630a.erim.org>
	<1992Jul28.164258.25378@ncar.ucar.edu>
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:16:18


In regards to NBC's coverage and your Nielson status:

Yeah, I hope you're right Ilana.  I wonder if they take these things
in context, but I hope they do.  That is, that they note you don't watch
anything else afterwards, for instance.  I assume they keep track of
times and such - if they do and you only watch bicycling, they could
infer that there are indeed cyclists in the viewing audience.  Then it's
a question of why you wouldn't watch anything else.  Could be due to
lousy coverage.  Could be that you're not interested in anything else.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Redneck alert...
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:06:53 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of RONEAL@lexmark.com:
> 
> [story deleted]
>
>Sorry for going on and on about this... I'm frustrated.  I've been driving
>(oh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!) around looking for the truck to no avail.  The road
>I was on at the time and the time (6:15pm) would suggest they're quite
>local, perhaps even living just up the road.  I haven't found them, but
>when I do, what *can* I do?  The cops said I could file a complaint.  What

Take four peaces of wood and put a nail or two through each of them (user
long nails). When you find the car, put one behind each wheel (if you know
that the car has to move backwards when the owner want to go out
bike-hinting) and then ride home again. The owner does not know who did
it, but you know...

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* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
* She said, "I know how it feels son, * The Norwegian Institute of Tech.   *
* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics   *
*       - The Who, Quadrophenia       * e-mail: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no  *
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:23:50 GMT

In <GREG.92Jul27111509@regulus.sce.carleton.ca> greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks) writes:

>In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>   If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
>   have a 15mph speed limit?
>Unfortuntely, "Bike Paths" here in Ottawa are "Multi-purpose
>recreational pathways" (or some other beurau-speak), so one finds
>walkers, dogs, joggers, roller bladers, and (surprising cyclists) all
>sharing the same patch of pavement.  Needless to say, a cyclist going
>40 km/h (25mph) will create quite a mess when he or she hits a
>pedestrian going 5 km/h.

The "Multi-purpose recreational pathway" designation should mean that
the announced government funding cannot be used for the existing
"Bike Paths" but will have to be applied to "Commuter bike paths".

Do you think the politicians can discriminate between the two purposes?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jpierce@pdx121.intel.com (Jim Pierce)
Subject: Want to buy Cateye Vectra mount kit
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:24:31 GMT

I have a perfectly good Cateye computer with a shredded pickup wire.
Does anyone have the mounting kit part that they would like to sell?

Thanks,

Jim Pierce
jpierce@ichips.intel.com
From: krish@cs.columbia.edu (ponamgi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: USED BIKE WANTED
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:19:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science


I'm looking to buy a used mountain bike.  If you have one for sale
on the eastern seaboard, send me email.  Thanx for your help.


krish@cs.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:23:53 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <22803@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
|> In rec.bicycles, d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:
|> >Well, at least everyone else is a irritated about the IWRR coverage as I was.
|> >When the local news came on at 10:30 PM (Pacific), I set the VCR on record and
|> >went to bed.  Now my wife says that the coverage in this mornings paper only
|> >told about the _American_ (including Canadian) women finished.  Nothing about
|> >the race, or how it ended or who _won_!
|> 
|>     I'll bet they don't have Marion Clenea (sp?) in their coverage.

Marion Clignet!

|> She's a dual citizen between France (probably born there) and the U.S.,
|> but I can assure you she grew up in the U.S. and raced here until very

Yes, she lives in the United States.  I also raced the womens Tour
de Colombia with her on the U.S. team!


Leigh Ann

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|> most NBC shows for the next few years.  I need road time more than I
|> need the "Goofball America" crew.
|>     Though I will HAVE to suffer through the Velodrome and Whitewater
|> events.  I have my priorities. :)
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