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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Silencers and PB guns
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:30:45 GMT


I talked to a local (Maryland) gunshop yesterday.  Apparently it's up to
the state whether paintball guns are considered firearms or not.  In
Maryland, they're not.  In Jersey, they are.  Originally, the Jersey law
applied only to projectile weapons 50 caliber and under.  Since paintballs
are 68 caliber, they weren't covered.  As soon as this loophole was
discovered, however, the law was changed to cover them.  If your state
doesn't consider PB guns as firearms, then a homemade silencer is
perfectly legal.
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:39:12 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Aug31.211940.29577@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>I guess your astigmatism is mild.  I couldn't find astigmatism corrected 
>contact lens for my eyes; -10.00 for right and -9.50 for left.  Heck, I
>even had trouble finding disposable lenses in my perscription.  Hmm..maybe
>I should get perscription JT goggles as an alternative.  (^-^)
>
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	Are those numbers te lens curvatures?!?  Hell, mine are about HALF
that!

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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:21:30 GMT
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Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>>Also I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
>>know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
>>sound absorbing stuff in between.

>One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
>has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
>the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
>the two tubes together by friction.

Of course, you've just broken a Federal Firarm Law, which has some pretty
severe penalties.  All firearm sound supression devices must be approved
by the BAT, including paintball gun ones.  While I wouldn't worry about
it too much, if you did happen to get stopped by the lower 1% of the police
force on the way home and your car was searched, there's a small probability
you might have to explain yourself.  Of course with some top quality ones
running $12-$16, you can probably by a lighter, more durable, better looking
one for far less than the combination of parts and time.

My $0.02
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From: kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu (Ken Yasuda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:01:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
>has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
>the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
>the two tubes together by friction.

Brillo?  What made you choose that?    Did this silencer work any better than the
stock TASO silencers?

Ken
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: What is an interlocking? (was: Signal type)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.225408.18253@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>In <1992Aug29.155831.14910@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> waldin@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Earl Waldin) writes:
>
>>I have seen the term "interlocking" used a lot lately, mostly in conjunction
>>with signal descriptions.  I've figured out what block signals are but
>>I'm not quite sure what an interlocking is.  It appears to be a junction
>>where lines cross or merge.  Is this right?  Is the place where a siding
>>joins the main line also considered an interlocking?  Please help this
>>confused individual.
>
>	To the best of my less-than professional understanding of the
>railroad/subway BIZ, an interlocking is a type of signal CONTROL, and
>means that the signals are controled remotely from 2 locations.  If a
>line is only controlled from one place then it wouldn't inter-lock with
>another.  Or it could possibly just be a name for the old type of 
>machines used.  But on many of the drawings ive seen of NYCTA signals
>a usual station/location "interlocking" is represented by a list of the
>signal controls, many of which connect with other machines.
>

To be correct, an interlocking signal is one that is tied to
the route in addition to the occupancy of the track.  That is,
block signals simply indicate the occupancy of the track and as such
are usually permissible, meaning red means stop and proceed at restricted
speed prepared to stop.

Interlocking signals not only give an indication regarding the occupancy
but also to the route to be taken -- it is interlocked to the track
switches.  The term interlock goes back to the days when signals were
controlled by a series of rods and levers that made a mechanical
connection to a control tower.  Where a signal was protecting a controlled
switch, the mechanical control was interlocked to the switch linkage.

A simple example is where a signal on a track at the frog end of a
switch is to be cleared.  A permissive aspect cannot be displayed
unless the switch points are aligned to the track in question and
therefore the signal is interlocked to the switch.


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From: sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Most spectacular passenger routes
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:31:46 GMT
Organization: BBS

We've seen the thread on the 10 top western RR shrines, how about this one...
The most spectacular PASSENGER rail routes in the world.

I can't remember seeing anything as amazing as Norway's Flaam-Myrdal route.
This short route is 12 miles long with a descent of 2,838 feet. 20 tunnels and
a gradient of 1 in 18. At one point the route is gouged out of a mountainous
rock face wall. Words can not describe this trip.

The Oslo-Bergen route (which stops at Myrdal) is another memorable route which
seems to glide along on the top of the world through glaciers, lakes, and
rugged mountains.

Another quite memorable route is the Locarno-Domodossola <sp?> in Switzerland
(and crosses through Italy). This is a narrow-gauge line which seems to be on
the edge of cliffs for the entire ride. The train stops at these tiny little
station platforms which appear to be in the middle of nowhere (at least all I
saw was wilderness).

In the US (hey Europe's got some great railways!) I would have to go for the
Zephyr through Colorado and the Empire Builder through Washington, Idaho and
western Montana. The Durango & Silverton was great too (even though I was only
able to do the half-way trip).
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: advice on scanners wanted
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:08:34 GMT

In article <17145@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>
>Howdy.  I'm finally contemplating buying a scanner, mostly for
>train-watching.  Any suggested models to look for or avoid?  Features I
>should look for?  I'm sure I'll find other uses as well, but
>portability is a major concern.
>
>Be specific; I know nothing of scanners...
>
I have seen no follow-ups to this posting.  I too would like
answers to the same questions.  If Steve received e-mail
responses to this posting, would he please post a summary?
If no one has responded yet, what are you waiting for?  I know
from reading rec.railroad that many of you use scanners for
railfanning.  We'd be grateful if you would share your knowledge
on this subject.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: K B & S     What is it ?????????????
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:47:52 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <8152@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> stnd@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson) writes:
>
>The engines were marked "K B & S".  What is the K B & S????  Its
>not listed in my Rand McNally Railroad Atlas.  Is this a new
>short-line?  Does anybody out there have any information?

The April, 1985 Equipment Register shows the following:

KBSR Kankakee, Beaverville and Southern Railroad Company

The KBSR is not listed in a 1971 _OER_, so it is apparently
a fairly new company.

Michael Stimac
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From: burke@doright.Tymnet.COM (John Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Queries about some obscure Brit-Rail stuff
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:50:02 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

Can anyone answer either of these questions:

  o I heard a rumor there are trains of particular interest to rail
    buffs on the Isle of Wight, but got no details.  Does anyone know
    something specific?

  o I heard that some old London Transport cars are in use in remote
    (i.e. far from London Transport) locations around the British
    Isles.  Anyone know any details on
    this?  My lapsing memory suggests that this was what was on the
    Isle of Wight, but it ain't sure.

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: Which cars have holding tanks
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 AUG 92 15:22:52 EST

In article <1992Aug20.121517.29265@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes, in part:
>AMTRAK POTTIES

>I may have been guilty of believing and spreading erroneous
>information about holding tanks on Amtrak cars.  But if so, 
>then why are the crews instructed on the PA system to turn
>off the toilets when going through certain towns on the
>California Zephyr if the toilets don't flush onto the tracks?

	HOPEfully we can get a defintive answer on this one, but an interesting
	observation:   While in The West last year, there was an article about
	AMTRAK agreeing to change the speed at which the would empty the dump
	tanks (implicityly, on the newer equipment).  This was in response to
	complaints from "certain communitites" who were receiving the "benefits"
	of the existing settings.  The implication of the story was that the
	modern equipment retains UNTIL A PRESET SPEED IS REACHED (implying
	that the train is out of civilization) and THEN enables dumping.

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From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: What is an interlocking? (was: Signal type)
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:19:32 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Aug29.155831.14910@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> waldin@lcs.mit.edu writes:
>I have seen the term "interlocking" used a lot lately, mostly in conjunction
>with signal descriptions.  I've figured out what block signals are but
>I'm not quite sure what an interlocking is.  It appears to be a junction
>where lines cross or merge.  Is this right?  Is the place where a siding
>joins the main line also considered an interlocking?

Here's a rule book definition of "interlocking":

INTERLOCKING-- An arrangement of signals and signal appliances
so interconnected that their movements must succeed each other
in proper sequence and for which interlocking rules are in effect.
It may be operated manually or automatically.

(PRR _Book of Rules_, 1956)

Interestingly, there is no reference at all to trackage.

An interlocking (machine and appliances) are usually associated
with a track configuration such as a crossing or junction. The
purpose of the interlocking is to prevent routing the track
switches such that conflicting routes are simultaneously lined.
Further, the signals themselves are also interlocked so that
a clear signal cannot be given unless a proper route is lined
for that track and all signals governing conflicting routes
are at (absolute) stop.

A crossing or junction, in itself, is not an interlocking,
however an interlocking is typically installed to protect
such track configurations. The connection of a siding to
a main track is not normally protected by an interlocking
unless such connection is within the bounds of an interlocking
that exists for another reason.

Interlockings are usually also installed to protect movable
bridges.

Over the past few years, more and more cTc is being installed,
and the operation of central control supplants traditional
interlocking in some cases. Under cTc, siding connections
to the main are called "OS" sections, and electrical circuitry
provides many of the safety functions of interlocking.
A similar technique is used with the new computerized central
control dispatcher consoles.

The earliest interlocking machines are completely mechanical,
and could be considered to be mechanical digital logic 
computers. Later machines combined mechanical/electrical,
later all-electric (relays), and now electronic.

Interlockings are a super subject of study for railfans who
also enjoy logic.

Michael Stimac
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From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: F7 in Watseka, IL
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:26:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton) says:

>Acually the UP has sent a set of A-B-A E9s into the shop for rebuild.

  From what I understand, these are to be rebuilt with a single 2000 hp
645 instead of the two 567's.  That's really a shame...E's shouldn't sound
like GP38's.  The exteriors, though, are to be restored to "as-delivered"
appearance.  

BTW: there was a very weathered UP-painted E parked behind the UP Omaha, NB 
     station last May.  Unfortunately, I don't have the number here.  Does 
     anybody know if this is one of the three?
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From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: Re: MBTA Expands Commuter Rail Service
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:33:48 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
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>> then to double-tracking the Haverhill line
>
>Any plans to extend this line to New Hampshire ?

I suspect part of the "lets replace the track that we tore up a few years back"
is because AMTRAK wants to run from North Station to Maine.  Unless they do
some *REAL* creative routing, the've gotta go up the Reading/Haverhill line!

A few years back the MBTA suggested going into Plaistow, NH (I'ts right over
the border from Haverhill) and there was the usual border-war uproar.

Mike
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From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: RE: TRIP REPORT NEW HAMPSHIRE
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:34:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey there,

In Message-ID: <1992Aug26.135605.18967@uc.msc.edu>, Wes writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.155056.1@cortex>, mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher) writes:
>|> The
>|> only B&M engines I know of are 1455 at Edaville, and 3713 at Steamtown.
>
>Here is what I show for these two engines.  Is the "CB&Q" a newer or former
>owner of this engine?
>
>1455            2-6-0ng B&M     Edaville RR, South Carver, MA
>3713            4-6-2   CB&Q    Steamtown National Historic Site, Scranton, PA
>

Unless they have two pacifics numbered 3713...

For years, Boston and Maine P-4 pacific 3713, complete with the "Speed 
lettering" on the side of the tender, (EDITORIAL: Speed lettering was the best
looking lettering ever applied to a tender!!) was parked outside the Boston
Museum of Science.  About 10 years ago, the museum wanted to build an addition
for the "Omni theater" and wanted the engine removed.  It had been on loan from
Steamtown, when Steamtown was in Bellows Falls, VT.  The B&M was the only owner
of this engine (when it was running!) that I know of.

I still have the newspaper photo of it moving out of Boston...

c'ya

Mike
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From: johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger)
Subject: Re: Tehachapi Re:  High Speed Rail in Southern California
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:29:20 GMT

Garth G. Groff (ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
> RAILROAD SHRINES
> 
> I would like to nominate Cajon Pass.  Great action with UP and
> ATSF sharing double track with the SP just a few yards away.
> Also don't forget Sullivan's Curve a few miles below the pass.
> Westbound trains make a spectacular sweep into a cut.  I took
> my second best picture ever then of four ATSF engines on a
> fast freight at the curve.
> ~S

     Well, Garth..........we're waiting............what was your first best
picture ever? :-).

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From: casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston)
Subject: Re: F7 in Watseka, IL
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:11:06 GMT

In <BtpKxu.14s@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Paul Larsen) writes:

>On my way back from a Colorado vacation, I drove through Watseka, IL.
>Just visible between some buildings was an F7 sitting on the UP/TP&W
>interchange.  It was a yellow engine with as far as I could see no lettering
>and it was in between a bunch of freight cars as if it was being interchanged.
>Any info on this engine would be appreciated.


>Paul B. Larsen
>larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu

The loco was purchased by the new TP&W and will be sent to be rebuilt and 
repainted in the New York Central Lighting stripe paint scheam. It will be
used as a tourist trip loco on the TP&W as well as special directors trains.
Also being bought by the TP&W is 3 passenger coaches from the Keokuck Junction.
The loco was bought from a coal mine in West Va. and was in good mecanacal 
condition except for 1 dead cylinder in the diesel engine. It will be based out of Peoria Ill.

                                               Chris


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From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: K B & S     What is it ?????????????
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:58:27 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <BtpEKo.FrI@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma) writes:
> 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>>The road you speak of is the Kankakee, Beaverville & Southern. I see their
>>piggyback trailers on the highway all the time(The are BN green and look
>>almost like ex-BN intermodal design).
> 
> There's a good reason for this -- the KB&S trailers were purchased second-hand
> from BN!
That's what I figured. I didn't want to say that they did, because I wasn't
positive.

> 
>>I don't know how old the railroad is though. The part from Kankakee is
>>an ex-NYC line that went up through North Judson,IN.
> 
> No, no, no!  The part of the KB&S from Kankakee is the old Big Four main
> that went to Indianapolis.  The east-west line through Kankakee is former
> New York Central and is still operated by Conrail east to Wheatfield, IN
> and west to Streator, IL.  Through freights from CR to AT&SF run on this
> line between Schneider, IN and Streator, gaining access to Elkhart via
> Porter Jct.

OOPS!!! Sorry, I guess I don't know my NYC history too much ;^)
(I don't follow NYC, I prefer C&O/PM)
But I do see the SF trains go thru Porter JCT. I didmn't know that's
where they came from.

> 
> The biggest attraction of the KB&S is that their roster is all-Alco.  Most
> of their income comes from switching and storing cars, along with their
> relatively new business of leasing truck trailers to shippers.

Yea, I KNOW!!!!! I wish I would have known about them being so close when
I was there. Can't find too many Alco's anymore :^(
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Signal type (was: Re: Semaphore Signals)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:53:40 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Aug29.042751.16448@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
>  Around 1986, a sign with the letter "D" began to appear on the inoperative 
>approaches signals of all the railroads I've seen.  It at least provides quick 
>identification of the signal's purpose, but may have another meaning.  Just 
>what the "D" stands for, I have no idea.
>
The "D" stands for "distant", which is the companion to "home".
The signals nearest an interlocking and which define the boundaries
of the interlocking are called "home signals". Those signals which
are encountered just prior to the home signals, and which serve the
purpose of warning the engine driver to be prepared to stop at
the next signal, are called "distant signals".

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I like your "malley"!

Michael Stimac
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