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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:53:43 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <Bz8wx2.4qu@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:

> >In article <1992Dec11.205358.1658@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
> 
> >>Here's some more fan mail I've gotten from those lovely people who
> >>are in love with war, because it is mass-murder they can cheerlead for:
> >>
> >>>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:40:58 MST
> >>>From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 
> >>>To: awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
> >>>Subject: Re: Somalia
> 
> [ Private e-mail deleted]
> 
> Excuse me, but isn't posting private e-mail to the net considered a no-no?
> 
> Dave

  It's certainly impolite, unless permission was given.  But there's no law or
rule against it -- besides the old standby of looking like a major cheesehead
when violating netiquette.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Somalia
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:16:56 GMT

In article <Bz40xI.51A@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> py1djf@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (D J Ford) writes:
>
>       PS But I loved the way the Americans team of
>       commandos, the Navy SEALS, where suprised on the beach
>       by a crack team of journalists. HAHAHA

	Yep, and it would have been even funnier if the SEALS
	had decided to start shooting lights out.

	Alec Chambers
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: dsl24@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Somalia
Keywords: no reply
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.205358.1658@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
>>Funny that you should accuse me of drivel, yet you chose
>>to resort to obscenty.
>              ^^^^^^^^ (correct spelling:obscenity)
>I think strong language is a perfectly legitimate way of expressing
>anger and revulsion when common moral sensibilities are so
>hideously violated, for example, when people such as yourself
>self-gratuitously cheerlead for whatever aggression the
>government undertakes. Think about this: the inescapable
>result of the Gulf "war" was the cowardly killing of
>hundreds of thousands of defenseless innocent people.
>That is the bottom line of war. Perhaps for you the bottom line
>of war is "glory," "heroism," or some other macho bullshit. That is
>a lie. And you scold me for cussing!
>
>By the way, Schwartzkopf called the Gulf "war" a "turkey shoot."
>And he's right: 200,000 dead Iraqis, and about 100 dead US
>service people. I mourn them all.
>

What was your solution to the situation in the Gulf ?
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm,alt.fishing
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Keywords: no reply
Organization: a gora
Distribution: world 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:10:29 GMT

In article <Bz8wx2.4qu@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.205358.1658@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
>
>>>Here's some more fan mail I've gotten from those lovely people who
>>>are in love with war, because it is mass-murder they can cheerlead for:
>>>
>>>>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:40:58 MST
>>>>From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 
>>>>To: awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
>>>>Subject: Re: Somalia
>
>[ Private e-mail deleted]
>
>Excuse me, but isn't posting private e-mail to the net considered a no-no?


  Yes, of course.  Violators are supposed to have their posting
privileges revoked.
From: py1djf@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (D J Ford)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Somalia
Keywords: no reply
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:33:36 GMT
Organization: School of Physics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, dsl24@cas.org writes:
>By the way, Schwartzkopf called the Gulf "war" a "turkey shoot."
>And he's right: 200,000 dead Iraqis, and about 100 dead US
>service people. I mourn them all.

	By the way, you forgot the dozen or so British
	Troops killed in the war.

	However, I do wonder how widely publicised in the USA
	were the circumstances of their deaths? From
	the few Americans I have asked about it, none of them
	seem to know about it.

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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Somalia
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:55:37 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac
Keywords: no reply

In article <1992Dec11.205358.1658@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:

>By the way, Schwartzkopf called the Gulf "war" a "turkey shoot."
>And he's right: 200,000 dead Iraqis, and about 100 dead US
>service people. I mourn them all. 

I trust then you also mourn the Kuwaitis tortured and murdered by Iraqi
soldiers after they invaded Kuwait.

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From: eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: filter feeders
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:33:03 GMT
Reply-To: eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) says:

>Zebra Mussels!  Caught one of the little buggers on a rock I pulled off
>the bottom while trolling (It's sitting on my desk now as a paper weight
>with Zebra Mussel in place).  Hadn't heard about the pollution cleaning 

He found ONE zebra mussel!  We have them by the foot here on the
beaches of Lake Erie.  They run the length of the beach and are
usually 3 foot wide.  These are just the shells of the little devils.
The other problem that I have heard about the zebra mussels is that
they also eat the zooplankton that the rest of the food chain depends
on as well.  

Liz
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: filter feeders
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com

Zebra Mussels!  Caught one of the little buggers on a rock I pulled off
the bottom while trolling (It's sitting on my desk now as a paper weight
with Zebra Mussel in place).  Hadn't heard about the pollution cleaning 
aspects of the little critters, though I had heard something about them
being ground up for a great fertilizer.

Later,

Steve

In article 16250004@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
> How about the freshwater clams?  I had been reading about some kind 
> of mollusk that has been accidentally intoduced into the Great-Lakes..
> 
> It was reported to be speading extremely fast and clogging water inlets 
> etc...and that officials didnt know how to eradicate them...
> 
> Then several months later they found that these same mollusks (which
> had no real food or other value at the time) were helping in some
> small way to actually clean the lakes...I dont know what kind of 
> pollutants they were helping to clean, but the clams were ingesting
> the stuff..the bad things was that the clams also were accumulating 
> the pollutants..  
> 
> I haven't heard anything now for about 6 months..
> Anyone know anything more?
> 
> Thanks, all.  
> 
> 
> all disclaimers apply.
> 
>
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Fecal Greaseballs? Joking, right?
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:54:00 GMT



Sewage dumping after a rain happens all the time in the LA area.  The  
surfers have organized against this practice and other types of ocean  
dumping. Their group is called Surfriders, and they are becoming a strong  
voice out here.  They are sick of closed beaches and dodging turds. 

----------------------------------------------------------
Robin
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Subject: great lakes region
Reply-To: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:12:44 EST





 Hi All in the Great Lakes Region. I've been reading this newsgroup
 for a few months, and you seem like an interesting, polite bunch.


 I especially got a chuckle out of Surf-boarding on Lake Superior !!


 I'm from Toronto, using the system auto-mentioned at the end of this
 post for commuincations with the world. Their tag, not mine.

 I was wondering how you all feel about the two Federal capitals,
 Ottawa in Ontario, Canada, and Washington D.C. in the U.S.

 Do you feel that the Great Lakes Region is properly represented by
 these two nation-state Government system seats. ?

 Do you think that Ottawa and Washington respect our needs, our
 concerns, our economy, our Region ? Do they do a proper job of
 helping us with our Environmental problems in the Great Lakes ?
 Do our taxes to Ottawa and Washington generate a deserved payback in
 representation and services ? Do they provide us with the tools we
 need to earn decent wages, and live prodcutive lives, providing a
 safe, secure, society for all citizens within the Great Lakes Region?

 Or do you feel ? at all as I have come to feel over the past 10 years
 that neither Ottawa nor Washington constitute functional, effective,
 federal government organizations, totally incapable of serving us.

 If this newsgroup is not a proper medium to bring up a political
 discussion, would someone please politely inform of that, and I will
 re-direct to some other newsgroup.

 Looking forward ( if this is a proper group ) to interesting chats.

 Steve Hartwell, Toronto, ( Region of the Great Lakes, N.A. <g> )

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From: carlsonb@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Bradley P Carlson)
Subject: Re: Q: about another kind of contamination
Organization: /home/accserv1/stub/f/carlsonb/.organization
	<2B23C1AD.23624@news.service.uci.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:02:55

The cattle were contaminated with PBBs.  There's a fooball-field-sized
cattle graveyard near Kalkaska (nice trout-fishing/art-fair thing
there every summer; great bicycling).  There are alot of incidental
facts regarding the long-term health effects of that incident.  Check
out "The Poisoning of Michigan" at your local/lib.  It's a real
eye-opener!
-bradley
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: berger@cs.uchicago.edu (Jeff Berger)
Subject: Re: Fecal Greaseballs? Joking, right?
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:30:43 GMT

No joke, but I don't know if there's an agreed upon name. I know a
fellow-Chicagoan who was out sailing one day. They capsized and spent
five ugly hours bobbing around south Lake Michigan. None of the
pleasure boaters who saw their obviously distressed situation bothered
to check up on them.

Anyway, there had been a major rainstorm a day before and Gary,
Indiana had opened their sewers into the lake. "Rafts of floating
turds" is what my friend reported. He hasn't been back in or on the lake
since.

Dumping untreated sewage into the lake has been SOP for years in Gary.
Their sewage disposal plant can't handle the volume following a major
rain. Like most older cities, the storm sewer and sanitary sewer
system are combined. They've been fined repeatedly by the EPA and,
about a year ago, gave up treating sewage themselves. They've
contracted with some private firm to do it for them.

-Jeff

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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:05:47 GMT
Subject: filter feeders
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes

How about the freshwater clams?  I had been reading about some kind 
of mollusk that has been accidentally intoduced into the Great-Lakes..

It was reported to be speading extremely fast and clogging water inlets 
etc...and that officials didnt know how to eradicate them...

Then several months later they found that these same mollusks (which
had no real food or other value at the time) were helping in some
small way to actually clean the lakes...I dont know what kind of 
pollutants they were helping to clean, but the clams were ingesting
the stuff..the bad things was that the clams also were accumulating 
the pollutants..  

I haven't heard anything now for about 6 months..
Anyone know anything more?

Thanks, all.  


all disclaimers apply.


Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: Re: Fecal Greaseballs? Joking, right?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:51:36 GMT

In article <BERGER.92Dec17173043@pride.cs.uchicago.edu> berger@cs.uchicago.edu (Jeff Berger) writes:
>
>Dumping untreated sewage into the lake has been SOP for years in Gary.
>Their sewage disposal plant can't handle the volume following a major
>rain. Like most older cities, the storm sewer and sanitary sewer
>system are combined. They've been fined repeatedly by the EPA and,
>about a year ago, gave up treating sewage themselves. They've
>contracted with some private firm to do it for them.
>

This phenomenon is officially known as "combined-sewer overflows". It
has been big problem for decades for most cities east of the Mississippi
(where sewer systems are older and were not built with separate lines
for sanitary sewage and street stormwater), and also for some cities out
west.
When it happens, it is pretty damned ugly, though it's not usually very
toxic. IN many places it forces the temporary closing of beaches.
This is *NOT* unique to the Great Lakes - in fact, the cities on the
Lakes are well ahead of most other parts of the U.S. and Canada in
correcting it. Chicago's "Deep Tunnel" holding system has reduced CSOs
there from more than 100 per year to a handful. Milwaukee and Rochester
have built similar deep tunnels, and many other Lakes cities either have
or are building holding tanks, tunnels and what have you to hold the
overflow until the storm subsides and the sewage treatment plant can
"catch up." Hamilton, Cleveland, the Detroit area, and Toledo are among
the cities working on this sort of thing, which is *damned* expensive
but is the only solution short of building a whole new sewer system
(which would be even more expensive and highly disruptive). Most of the
large East Coast cities, like New York and Boston and Philadelphia,
haven't even begun to decide what to do about this (do yourself a favor:
don't go boating in New York Harbor the day after a thunderstorm...).
Toronto, among the Lakes' large cities, has perhaps the worst CSO
problem. THey have begun working on it, but it will take years and many
dollars before they can stop closing their beaches after every
rainstorm.
Gary is an unusually nasty case. The city government is virtually
bankrupt and has never taken any of this kind of thing seriously, and
the USEPA and the Justice Department have lowered the boom. The Gary
sewage system, according to the federal investigators, has been
regularly opening up the pipes and sending raw, untreated sewage into
the lake, contrary to federal law and a whole series of court rulings.
Gary has been hit with large fines and the feds may actually take over
the operation of the sewage system; the latest round of federal lawsuits
is in the courts now.

From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:27:25 GMT
Subject: Fecal Greaseballs? Joking, right?
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes

I would like to know about your fecal greaseballs...

There is an engineer here from Chicago who says that at times when 
there is severe flooding etc.. that the city alerts everyone to 
watch out for floating "fecal greaseballs" in the Great Lakes...

Is this just a joke?  or classic Great Lake folklore like the 
alligators in NY sewers?

They actually refer to them as "fecal greaseballs"?

We call pollution "pollution".            


		   
Just curious.


all disclaimers apply

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas)
Subject: Re: Q: about another kind of contamination
Keywords: n
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:39:41 GMT

Several years ago a read an article in the New England Journal of
Medicine which said that Michigan has the highest per capita occurances
of cancer in the nation. Has anyone seen that paper? I've been trying
to find it again, without success. 

joe





Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: filter feeders
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:10:55 GMT

tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:

>How about the freshwater clams?  I had been reading about some kind 
>of mollusk that has been accidentally intoduced into the Great-Lakes..

>It was reported to be speading extremely fast and clogging water inlets 
>etc...and that officials didnt know how to eradicate them...

>Then several months later they found that these same mollusks (which
>had no real food or other value at the time) were helping in some
>small way to actually clean the lakes...I dont know what kind of 
>pollutants they were helping to clean, but the clams were ingesting
>the stuff..the bad things was that the clams also were accumulating 
>the pollutants..  

These "clams" are actually Zebra Mussels.  They have been around for
quite a while and were probably introduced from the bilgewaters of one
of the ocean-going freighters that ply the Great Lakes.  The mussells
are native to northern Europe if I remember correctly.

They are expected to cost many millions of dollars to keep under
control because they do clog up water inlets.  My guess is that they
will add to pollution in the Lakes in the long run because desparate
officials are likely to use chemical controls to avoid more expensive
solutions.  In the meantime, I can't think of any reason not to let
them accumulate toxins, if that is in fact what they are doing, since
apparently nothing eats them.  (That is why they are such a problem --
no natural predators here.)

>I haven't heard anything now for about 6 months..

Probably because this is a long-run problem that will not be solved
for six years or more, let alone six months.
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Xref: sparky alt.dads-rights:2920 soc.men:21095 talk.abortion:51824
From: PLANCHAJ@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Tony Planchart)
Subject: Re: Dr. Garrod's research on support collection
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:21:17 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Dec14.202411.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> idqm400@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:

>  
> Here is the full breakdown:
>  
> Non-AFDC collection:
> Year       Collected       collect/case
> 1992      $73,917,196       $779.74   (projected)
> 1991      $61,205,034       $833.73
> 1990       54,699,537        792.92
> 1989       48,477,951        802.10
> 1988       34,840,582        776.81
>  
>  
> AFDC collection:
> Year       Collected       collect/case
> 1992      $52,852,325       $229.36   (projected)
> 1991       53,623,028        246.84
> 1990       45,401,840        217.45
> 1989       39,884,672        203.68
> 1988       34,303,815        179.75
>  

Sorry if this is FAQ, but I'm new to the group and haven't a clue what AFDC
stands for. Thanks in advance for clarifying this point.

Tony Planchart
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
From: jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood)
Subject: Re: Proposal for reorganization of gender-i
Reply-To: jsw@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:46:22 CST

>
>Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu


  The inability of radical feminist's to accept criticism is because
they are a immature and inferior (victim of some kind).

 Groups of small children regularly segregate amongst themselves. Remember
how one group always demanded a "head start" in a race while others always
offered to let them. 

 The feminist is always looking for a head start. Funny, they lost then and
they're going to lose now. With an attitude of innate inferiority, the 
result is always the same. 

Feminists are inferior. Most women know it. So do most men.


Xref: sparky alt.dads-rights:3035 alt.child-support:4013
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support
Subject: Re: Itemized accounting of child support
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:23:37 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

> Ah, but Michal, both Alan and Bob consider anything except money paid for
> immediate basic minimal needs as luxury!  So, salting money away for a 
> bicycle (an HUGE luxury item in their eyes), or *gasp* college is a waste
> of THEIR precious funds.
> 
> And, yes, this is a flame.  And, yes, this is a fairly accurate description
> of their position.

That would depend greatly on which "Bob" you're talking about.

--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Paternity Test
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:10:47 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Question quick and dirty (sorry don't have patients to score thru all the
messages here).

What happens if a ex-girlfriend gets married. Does the father still have to pay
child support? I have been paying. But my ex got married and people have been
saying now that she is married I don't have to pay anymore,  I kow if I stop,
it can be a dangerous thought.. Will hope fully be seeing a lawyer to find out.
But ... Also what states would it might be possible..

Also how much does it generally cost to get a paternity test to find out if you
are actually the father and what kidns of tests are there..

This is not to say that I want to get out of my obligation, Im just trying to
find out to make sure that I have not taken on an obligation that I need nnot
take on.

please send info to NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights