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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: IndyCar stuff
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:46:17 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos


So Al Unser, Jr. says he'll only go to F1 if he can still do Indy.  He's 
lucky that the schedules could work out for him next year.  Who does Al 
think he is, anyway, Mario Andretti?  :-)  (And who else in recent history 
has raced F1 full-time and shown up at Indy?)

OnTrack says that it still isn't clear yet whether Galles-Kraco will stick 
with the Galmer chassis next year.  They do have a commitment to the new for 
'93 Chevy-Ilmor/C engine (and what happened to Penske's expected 
exclusivity?), and current (but for how long?) driver Al Unser, Jr. says he's 
for keeping the Galmer.

OT also reports that rumors in Toronto are that Emerson Fittipaldi may leave
Penske in '93 to set up his own team with Mo Nunn.  But if Nunn sticks with
Ganassi next year, does that mean Emmo will be driving there?  And where
would that leave Eddie Cheever?

Meanwhile AutoWeek says that Honda (and Lexus) dealer Bobby Rahal will
remain committed to Chevy-Ilmor engines if Honda enters IndyCars.  Rahal
says he has good relationship with Chevy and with engine builder Franz
Weiss and VDS.

Now this brings up a question I've had for a while:  what do Franz Weiss
and VDS do?  I had thought they were only working with Jim Hall and John
Andretti until this, but I still wondered how much tinkering with the
Chevy engines was allowed by Ilmor.

--
Jay C. Smith
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"Good.  For a minute I thought we were in trouble."
From: leres@ace.ee.lbl.gov (Craig Leres)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: DieHard 500
Date: 27 Jul 1992 08:24:25 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.6

[spoiler warning]

Irvan's ability to pass on superspeedways is pretty impressive. Between
the DieHard 500 and the BGN race Saturday, he's shown he knows his way
around Talladega. The news wire quoted him as saying "I'd like to thank
the guy who threw the beer can on the track to bring out the caution
because it helped us get our lap back."

Hillin looked pretty good. Of course, the 28 car was so fast, his 3rd
place finish isn't very suprising. (Give him the wimpy backup engine
Mark Martin had to run with, and he would have finished way back in the
pack.)

I sure hated to see Earnhardt lose another engine. He looked hot coming
from the rear to the front in just a few laps. I guess it's like they
always say, "engines always run their best just before they let go."
Dale apparently radioed in, "it blowed up." A CBS graphic listed the
cause as a piston failure. They also showed the GoodWrench hauler
leaving during the race. That's the 2nd burned piston just a few races;
I sure wouldn't want to be in the engine department at the Childress
operation...

Speaking of engines, I heard Rusty Wallace bought an engine from
Irvan's team for the race. In any case, it was good to see Rusty get up
front and lead some laps.

All in all, CBS did a better job than I was expecting. Sure, they made
their usual mistakes like cutting to a camera that wasn't setup,
staying with a shot too long (e.g. for seconds after the last car goes
by), tracking the wrong car (e.g. not the one the broadcasters were
discussing), letting production audio bleed into the broadcast audio,
etc. But I have to admit there was more shot to shot continuity than I
can remember seeing on CBS. And I thought it was clever the way they
planted Chris Economaki on top of the Sears Craftsman RV, up and out of
the way. One annoying thing about the in-car camera was they kept
zooming in and out; it made it difficult to judge the delta-vees. Oh
well, at least ESPN is handling the WC race next week at Watkins Glen.

		Craig
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Wreck on ESPN Saturday Night
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:22:52 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <3399@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg) writes:
}
}   Has anybody heard how the driver involved in that terrifying wreck
}Saturday night on ESPN is doing?  (I apoligize for not remembering his
}name.)
}
}   The broadcast was of miget races at Indianapolis Raceway Park.  The
}accident was so horrifying that ESPN refused to show the replay.

  Please post this information as I along with many others watched this
 wreck and have no idea of his status.

 -Dan
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From: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GP racing in the '30s was Re: Car identification request
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:35:06 GMT
Reply-To: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk (Dave White)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.






>>>A friend of mine has a photograph of Nuvolari at the Nurembergring
>>>taken in 1938. So far he's been unable to identify the make/model
>>>of the car being driven. The car's number is 22 and it is thought

>If you're even slightly interested in GP racing in the mid-to-late
>thirties, you have got to read Chris Nixon's "Racing with the Silver
and if you are really interested in seeing these cars race today then
come over to England and go to a meeting of the Vintage Sports car club
where it is always possible to see the lesser Grand Prix cars such as
Alfa, Maserati, Bugatti, ERA and Alta racing against one another and 
occasionaly if you are lucky an Auto Union or Mercedes.  There are of
course also races for Gp cars of the 1920 s and sometimes races for Grand
Prix style racers made before 1916.( in which category I try to compete).
 The current fastest Edwardian car is an American Monarch chassis fitted
with chain drive and a 500 cu in Curtis aeroplane engine all circa 1914,
it goes like a rat up a drain pipe. We are all having to relearn the lost
technology of these cars and are currently having problems with the wooden
wheels breaking up whilst cornering heavy. I would like to have answered
Bob Kehoes question on whether I start before the flag or not, but on thinking about it there is so much noise and oil smoke on one of these grids that I
probably go when the others do, trying to tuck in the draft of a faster car
and trying not to interlock wheels on the first corner.    Dave White.
 
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?
Keywords: sneva cart indy
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:14:41 GMT

In article <jsnow.711740446@moons> jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow) writes:
>I asked him how he got his ride with Menard this year. He said that
>"the guy" (he didn't say who) who had given Menard a $50,000 check
>for the ride wouldn't fit in the car, so Sneva got the ride.
>

Wasn't Rocky Moran "the guy" who wouldn't fit?  He is a big guy.

I would've ask The Gas Man how his 100hp Yamaha golf cart was coming
along.  What's Gerry doing these days?  Is his folks still up in
Spokane?  After a year of playing golf, how can you strap yourself back
into a car and run 230 without much practice?  (Big Balls?)

One note on Tom that I don't know if I've mentioned before.  Some months
back I asked Rolla Vollstedt if someone would give him a big budget and
competitive car to go back and do Indy one more time - who'd he pick for
a driver?

Rolla:  "Sneva"

-c'ball'
From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY


jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow) writes:

> slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:
> 
> >> I asked about how to improve the safety of the Indy cars. He said,
> >> "Move the driver back. This will allow them to build a U shaped fuel
> >> cell around the driver to help protect him and will keep the driver's
> >> feet out of the way in a frontal crash."  I asked why they haven't
> >> done it. Much head shaking a mumbling about the technical directors.
> 
> >What a concept!  Protect the driver by wrapping methanol around him...
> >I guess it could work, though....
> 
> 
> I did talk to him in more detail about this and he seemed fairly
> confident in the safety of the fuel cell and wasn't too worried
> about it rupturing. The benefits of having the fuel cell material and
> the fuel absorb crash energy seemed to outweigh the negatives of a
> possible fuel cell rupture and resulting fire in his mind.
> 
> I may be mistaken, but I believe F1 cars surround the driver with the
> fuel cell.  They carry a lot more fuel and there is only so much room
> to fit it into.

As I recall, the basis of the difference is flat-bottom (F1
regulations) versus not (IndyCar regulations).  If the sidepod bottoms
have to be flat then there is plenty of room for fuel, which also
permits one to concentrate this load near the center of the wheelbase,
which minimizes fore / aft weight differential changes as the fuel
burns off.  If the sidepod bottoms can be aero surfaces then the
sidepods are taken up by the tunnels, which forces the fuel to be
behind the driver, *which forces the driver forward.*

---
Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
    "Give me a burrito. . .resistance is futile!"
		- Steve Roberts, of Winnebiko and BEHEMOTH fame,
		  to a terrified clerk at a Taco Bell drive-through
From: t9014143@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 93 predictions
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:21:49 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Last night while watching the german GP it was mentioned that Lauda was taking
more interest in the day to day running of Ferrari F1. With this in mind and
the strong rumours (? fact) about Barnard heading the design team at ferrari
next year, Senna would be seriously considering this drive before taking a year
off to soak up some rays in Monaco.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese at Hockenheim (SPOILERS)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:40:33 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <92015@bu.edu> nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:


>A question about rules & regulations in F1:

>Patrese did not cross the finish line, but suposedly got the 7th place
>(I think) accorgding to ESPN. What is the deal here?

The decisions on places end when the last UNLAPPED car crosses the line.
Everybody from 8th down had been lapped; Patrese hadn't.
Roughly, that's it.
I think
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Really fast cars
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:26:02 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

>The Bonneville Salt Flats.  It's a dry lakebed in the Western U.S.(I want to
>say California, but I don't think that's right).  Anyway, that's about the
>smoothest hard surface that you're going to get with enough open space to
>let these monsters get up to speed.
>Chris Kuner (00124961@ysub.ysu.edu).

The Bonneville Salt Flats are in Utah.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Keywords: pit lane, Michael
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:34:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul23.135802.28671@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> garr@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (guido.a.rijo) writes:
>
>Clam down Dougw,
>Do you think Rahal's crew would have send him out if
>it was Ted Prapas coming up to speed?.         ...
>             ...         Whether you like or not Michael    ...

I agree.  Although I am not a Michael fan, I think that if the roles were
reversed and Michael pulled out in front of Bobby like that, you guys
would be giving Michael EVEN MORE heat about being reckless.

				Jeff Sherota
				jrs@cblpe.att.com
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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: ARCA Update
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:28:07 CDT





		1992 ARCA Schedule

DATE	SITE				WINNER		PTS. LEADER
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/9	Daytona, FL			J. Horton
3/8	Pensacola, FL			R. Payne	B. Venturini (+20)
4/12	Texas World, TX			E. Bierschwale	B. Keselowski (+20)
5/2	Talladega, AL			C. Glotzbach	B.Keselowski/B.Bowsher
5/16	Sandusky, OH			???
5/24	Toledo, OH			B. Strait	B. Keselowski (+20)
5/25	Xenia, OH			B. Venturini	B. Bowsher (+20)
5/30	Flat Rock, MI			**ppd to 8/15**
6/13	Pocono, PA			B. Hess		B. Bowsher (+65)
6/20	Brooklyn, MI			B. Keselowski	B. Bowsher (+30)
6/27	Flat Rock, MI			D. Weltmeyer
6/28	Xenia, OH			B. Keselowski	B. Keselowski (+80)
7/4	Nashville, TN			D. Green	B. Keselowski (+105)
7/12	Delaware, ONT			B. Keselowski	B. Keselowski (+95)
7/18	Pocono, PA			B. Keselowski	B. Keselowski (+175)
8/2	Topeka, KS
8/15	Flat Rock, MI
8/23	Springfield, IL
8/30	Toledo, OH
9/6	DuQuoin, IL
9/20	Texas World, TX
9/27	Salem, IN
11/14	Atlanta, GA

Point Standings (as of 7/20):

1. B. Keselowski	3430
2. B. Bowsher		3255
3. B. Venturini		3165
4. R. Payne		3045
5. B. Hess		2795
6. F. Kimmel		2760
7. D. Simko		2675
8. G. Brewer		2570
9. B. Massey		2410
10. B. Dotter		2350
-- 
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Dean Barker				Cray Research, Inc.
deanb@cray.com				655F Lone Oak Drive
(612) 683-5414				Eagan, MN 55121
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From: miata@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (steve.bruun)
Subject: Re: Mansell, Michael, . . . (German GP spoilers)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.215439.23328@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, miata@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (steve.bruun) says:
> 
> >Sorry, I couldn't help myself.  I just *really* detest Mikey (and his
> >daddy to boot; how long before one of them kills somebody?).
> 
> On a similar note, how long before Alesi kills himself?

As an unabashed fan of Mr. Alesi, I hope that doesn't happen (to Jean
or to anyone else including M&M).  However, I detect a rather blatant
disregard for other's lives in Mikey's driving and an inability to be
anything but a multi-car accident poised to strike in Mario's.  Alesi
is enthusiastic as hell and seems to have little regard for *his own*
safety, but doesn't seem to feel himself invulnerable the way M&M do.
He may try to break the laws of physics, but M&M are guilty of trying
to break the rules of racing.  I think that's a big difference.

I've received some private mail bashing me for bashing the Andrettis,
so I'll just shut up now...

Steve Bruun (still waiting for a tow)

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From: jtrobin@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (J.T. Robinson)
Subject: Racing Schools
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:37:59 GMT

I am interested in attending a Racing School some time in the near future
and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on some schools they
have either attended or heard good/bad things about.

						Thanks

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Davey Allison to drive this weekend
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:44:49 GMT

From article <1992Jul23.150749.28006@convex.com>, by miller@convex.com (Ken Miller):
> 
> Ken { anyone seen a 'good'wrench lately... besides bringing up the rear }
 
Speaking of such wrenches, I heard an interesting rumor yesterday.  It may
be total bullshit, but then again it may not be.  Regardless, the gist of it
was that Mr. Earnhardt has been more than a little displeased with the speed,
or lack thereof, of the #3 car.  Sensing that Dale might be willing to try
a little change of scenery, a prominent team owner is negotiating to buy
Dale's 1993 contract from Richard Childress.  If this should happen to be
true and then should happen to come to pass, Dale would drive next year for
                            (TA-DAAAH!!)
     P   E   T   T   Y      E   N   T   E   R   P   R   I   S   E   S.

Once again, I don't know how accurate this is, but it could be nice, having
Richard Petty employing the only driver likely to his record seven Winston
Cup titles anytime soon.  Allegedly, part of the cause for RCR's sub-par     
performance has been, uh, sabotage, on the part of Kirk Shelmerdine.  Seems 
Kirk thinks by getting Dale to go to another team he might get the seat in
the #3 car.                              

Of course, Mr. Childress might opt to give Ayrton Senna a ride.  &:-)

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: poole@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Gary R Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jumping Starts, was Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:57:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.27140008
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.


Well Bob, usually I'm so far back in the pack I don't even see the green    
flag!  Actually, most of the starts I've been a part of have been pretty
good.  The starter usually waves the green sooner than you think they
should.  If the first few rows are lined up, the green goes out.  It would  
be pretty easy to get a big jump on the field before the flag if you're
far enough back to not be noticed much.  I have seen people 'lay back' and
get on the gas before the start so as to be going much faster than normal
when the flag flies.

-Gary
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From: b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re:   Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Keywords: pit lane, Michael
NewsSoftware: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Jul23.135802.28671@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, garr@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (guido.a.rijo) writes...
>>        Hey Terry, people and lives are at stake when racing gets above
>>30 miles an hour.  It's people like you, and your approach to racing that
>>gets people hurt.  Michael and his currently inept father, have been in
>>more problems over the years, that are their own fault, then anybody else.
>>If your race cars and you feel comfortable when somebody does something
>>stupid next to you, and you say to yourself, "this is balls to the walls
>>racing no problem" then you might not be around to see to many more
>>races.  If you don't race then I wont take any of your comments.
>>
>>dougw
> 
>Clam down Dougw,
>Do you think Rahal's crew would have send him out if
>it was Ted Prapas coming up to speed?. I guess their goal was, if we
>cannot catch him on the track, we'll get him in the pits. Well it
>did not work. I tapped the race, and it is obvious that Rahal was VERY
>WIDE coming out of his pit. If you want a copy of the tape, I'll be
>glad to send it to you.  Whether you like or not Michael is terrific
>driver, maybe the fastest driver in CART today. Just look at the first
>lap of The Toronto race, it cannot get any better than that. 
> 
>Guido Rijo
> 
Very wide because a driver was pitting in front of him, however, not
as wide as Andretti got. Perhaps you should view your tape once more.

George.

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From: rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts)
Subject: Re: What would you ask Sam Posey?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:03:10 GMT

In article <3577@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg) writes:
>    I will be working in a corner as a ham radio operator conducting safety
> communications for the race, and it's possible that I might encounter Sam
> and have on opportunity to chat with him.  However, I don't want to make
> a total fool of myself, so I'd like to tap into the Collective Wisdom of
> the Net and ask your advice.

Given the company you may be in, I'd say it would be pretty hard to appear
like a total fool!  :-)


>    What would you like me to ask Sam Posey?
> 
Would he mind if you try out a special new duct tape over his mouth.
Either that, or ask him to expound on what a race driver feels when a single
rain drop lands on his tear-off strip.

>    Although I don't yet know what I'd say if I met Sam, I do know what
> my first action would be.  I'd reach for a camera and attempt to
> photograph the reaction of his wife. :-)

I'd rather the photo of him with duct tape.
> 
> Harry Bloomberg
> hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu

Sorry Harry, you asked and I couldn't resist.

-Bob T.
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From: drew@mars (Drew Rogge)
Subject: Car identification request
Keywords: Nuvolari, Nurembergring, 1938
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:24:20 GMT


A friend of mine has a photograph of Nuvolari at the Nurembergring
taken in 1938. So far he's been unable to identify the make/model
of the car being driven. The car's number is 22 and it is thought
to be a Mercedes although he hasn't been able to verify this.

Anyone out there have any reference material going back to '38?

Any information would be much appreciated.

Drew Rogge
drew@pixar.com
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From: gray@tinman.asel.udel.edu (John Gray)
Subject: Re: DieHard 500
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:02:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.132649.20459@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning) writes:
>
>The biggest blunder they made was after the last round of pit stops.  Sterling
>Marlin was clearly well ahead of Ernie on the track but they kept saying Ernie
>was in the lead for about 4-5 laps.  One of them then noticed that Sterling
>was in front of him and started talking about how fast he had passed Ernie
>when, in fact, he had been in front of him since the pit stops.  
>
>I guess they don't watch the same race that we do sometimes...
>
Besides this gross miskate,  They refer to the race the Ernie Irvan won
on Saturday as everything but the Busch series race.  It was called the
Late Model Sportsman races numerous times.  The series hasn't been called
that in nearly ten years.  I think I would be a little bent out of shape
if I were the Busch people.  I believe this was most Ken Squire's(SP?)
error.  I could do with him in the boardcast booth.

John Gray
gray@asel.udel.edu
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:02:44 GMT

In article 2743@spectrum.xerox.com, mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson) writes:
> 
> If the sidepod bottoms
> have to be flat then there is plenty of room for fuel, which also
> permits one to concentrate this load near the center of the wheelbase,
> which minimizes fore / aft weight differential changes as the fuel
> burns off. 
> 
> ---
> Mark

It also lowers the moment of inertia about a polar axis, of prime importance to
best possible handling.

Matt