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From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Microwriter Chording Patents
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:20:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: U.TSF.92Jul21122001
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <memo.534660@cix.compulink.co.uk> jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jonathan Allen) writes:

   In: <6971@lib.tmc.edu> Jay Maynard wrote:
   > In article <memo.532817@cix.compulink.co.uk>
   >       jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
   > > But there is one big difference between everone else in the
   > > market, HP95 included, which is that YOU CANNOT TYPE on ANY of the
   > > others...

   > This sure is news to me. I find myself doing more and more text
   > pounding on my 95 as time goes by. The keyboard does require
   > adaptation, but far less than a chord keyboard would ...

   With respect, you are not qualified to make such a statement in
   authoratitive sense unless you have actually tried microwriting.
   Have you ?

No, that's not relevant, because he's not making a statement about the
microwriter.  He's saying his machine is usable for him, and you are
saying that his machine isn't usable for him.  He is competent to
judge, and you are wrong.

You can only make statements about the keyboards of all palmtops if
you have tried all of them for long enough to adapt as well as you're
going to.  Have you done this?  Even if you say yes, I won't believe
you because the set of available palmtops is changing constantly.  It
looks to me like you're making commercially-motivated unsubstantiated
claims, so you're going into my kill file.  Goodbye.
--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
From: gea@IASTATE.EDU (George E. Applequist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re:  Derive on the HP95LX
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:59:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Jul24.105940
Reply-To: gea@IASTATE.EDU (George E. Applequist)
Organization: Iowa State University

Incidentally, when I ordered Derive on ROM from Compuclassics, it took
more than three weeks for them to get it to me.  So don't hold your
breath!

George Applequist
gea@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: bj608@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert S. Williams)
Subject: Medical Software for 95LX
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:22:05 GMT


To all Physicians:

I have uploaded a new and improved version of my suite of medical 
applications for the HP 95LX to eddie.mit.edu

I invite you to download the new MEDSTF.ZIP file and try it out.
Anonymous FTP eddie.mit.edu and look in the distrib/hp95lx/medical 
subdirectory. Suggestions for improvements/ corrections would be most 
appreciated. I think you will find my collection to be the best *FREE* 
medical software for the 95LX available in the *ENTIRE WORLD* . I chalange 
(oops challenge) you to prove me wrong! <g>

But seriously, give it a try and let me know if it is useful.


                            Robert S. Williams, MD
From: richw@hplsla.hp.com (Rich Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95LX AC adapter requirements...
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:22:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.45990003
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

/ hplsla:comp.sys.palmtops / george@unixg.ubc.ca (George chow) /  1:04 pm  Jul 20, 1992 /
Since I went through my first set of Energizer on my 95LX in about 4 weeks
(which I thought was rather short), I thought I should invest in an AC adapter 
for those long serial port sessions. What's the requirements? I went thru
the manual and it doesn't say anything about the voltage and current. So,
what do I need? Since I recall reading that the screen refresh rate is 
dependent upon whether you're running off of batteries or the AC adapter,
I suspect that I need more than 3V? How much current? (I notice that there
seems to be a non-small difference in price between two AC adapter of different
current rating...)

George

----------

Radio Shack has an adaptor which does the job, for not too much $.
It's also a lot smaller than the HP model, which is way oversized
for the application.

If you happen to own a Sony portable CD player, you might already
have a suitable adaptor.

The requirements are 9V; I'll let someone with the manual in front
of them supply the current spec.

This message is a personal reply, and is not meant to represent
the views of Hewlett-Packard.
From: djohnson@sedona.intel.com (Don Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Reliability of HP95LX?
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: djohnson@ch3.intel.com
Organization: ICD, Intel Corporation
Originator: djohnson@waddel


As far as the problem with the serial port... it reminded me of the problem
I had with my serial port when I first got it.  I tried to connect and
transfer using a PC and a serial cable.  I was trying to transfer from 
my PC to the LX.  I had a nightmare.  I tried using Xmodem, Kermit, anything.
Nothing worked.  It would send a few blocks, then send an hours worth of
"bad Blocks," one more good block, 30 minutes of bad blocks... etc.  Very
frustrating.  I tried every possible combination of cables, connectors, etc.
thinking it might be a wiring problem.  I tried all kinds of block sizes/
software configurations.  No good.

Finally, I tried to send a file FROM the LX TO the PC.  Magic, worked like
it was supposed to.  After that, all transfers in either direction worked
perfectly.  No more problems to date.

It only happened the *very first* time I tried to transfer information... and
I tried to transfer FROM the PC to the LX first.

Moral of the story:  Make up your own morals.

  DJ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: hamilton@jabba.ess.harris.com (John Hamilton)
Subject: Electronic Organizers
Organization: Harris Information Systems Division, Melbourne, FL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:44:12 GMT

A friend and I are thinking of purchasing electronic organizers
and would like some comments to the following questions.

1. Are they really useful?
2. How do the Casio Executive Boss 9700 and Sharp Q-8200 compare?
3. Which models have the most extensive scheduling capability?  In
   particular, I am looking for a scheduler that will handle 
   "Set an alarm for the 1st Monday of every month."
4. Any advice on ordering aforementioned organizers at the lowest
   price?  And what is the lowest price found?
5. Does anyone have a preference other than the Casio or Sharp 
   mentioned?

Thanks for any comments,  I will post a summary if anyone is
interested.

Brent Slone
bslone @jaguar.ess.harris.com
From: h235_013@ccvax.ucd.ie (H235_013)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Portablity Question
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:56:06 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Hello !

I am a student in Dublin City University, Ireland. I do software 'nixers'
for small companies in the city and the 
problem is that I want to text edit on the move. This does not warrent a full 
blown notebook/laptop as all I need is a small text editor with facilities for
an ascii dump also I don't have enough money to buy a notebook.

I was thinking of buying a CAMBRIDGE Z88 with PC link but can find no supplier
in Ireland so I can't get any information. I have also heard that AMSTRAD have
a new notebook the NC100 which is basically an electronic notpad. If you 
have any advice, prices etc. that you could pass on to me I'd be most obliged
if you'd mail it to me. Thank you.

Andrew.


From: diamant@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (John Diamant)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:44:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Typing on palmtops (was Re: Microwriter Chording Patents)
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

In comp.sys.palmtops, jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jonathan Allen) writes:

> But there is
> one big difference between everone else in the market, HP95 included,
> which is that YOU CANNOT TYPE on ANY of the others.  It is possible to
> volume text input using the AgendA, and it still looks reasonable and
> works.  You _cannot_ do that on a Wizard, an HP, a Psion, the Po'fo',
> or whatever.

I can type 30-35 words per minute on the HP95LX.  It's not the 65 to 70 words
per minute I type on a full-sized keyboard, but it is adequate for volume
typing when full sized keyboards aren't available.  How fast can you type on
the Agenda?


John Diamant
Software Engineering Systems Division
Hewlett Packard Co.		ARPA Internet: diamant@fc.sde.hp.com
Fort Collins, CO		UUCP:  {hpfcla,hplabs}!hpfclp!diamant

This response does not represent the official position of, or statement
by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is provided for informational
purposes only.  It is supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: jjd@BBN.COM (James J Dempsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: HP95LX: small font terminal?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:01:25 GMT
Reply-To: jjd@BBN.COM (James J Dempsey)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Has anyone seen a terminal emulator for the HP95LX which displays more
than 16 lines x 40 chars at the same time?

Thanks,

		--Jim Dempsey--
		jjd@bbn.com
From: gregm@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Greg May)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:54:25 GMT
Subject: Re: HP95LX Max Serial Port Speed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

Direct support on the 95 is at 57600. However, the connectivity
pack defaults to 115kB. So I think you are in pretty good shape
From: jacoby@noao.edu (George Jacoby X292)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95LX or Sharp PC 3000 ? Available in the SF Bay area ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:48:47 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Originator: jacoby@madrona.tuc.noao.edu

In article <1992Jul28.163346.13409@news.media.mit.edu>, Marvin writes about
the Sharp 3000...
  
> Anyway, it works extremely well.  The scalloped keyboard is only
> slightly smaller than normal and feels fine.  I make very few errors.
> Too bad that HP included the numeric keypad!

Well, this just goes to show you that there is no single answer for everyone.
I purchased the HP95LX because the numeric keypad was included!

For those who do a lot of calculations and don't want to carry a separate
calculator, the HP95LX serves nicely. In this regard, HP considered its
historic customer base of engineers and scientists by providing a very 
functional scientific calculator and numeric keypad. 

Admittedly, text typing does suffer as a consequence.

George Jacoby
Kitt Peak National Observatory
Tucson, Arizona
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: george@unixg.ubc.ca (George chow)
Subject: Mention of HP95LX AC-adapter requirements + an FAQ proposal...
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Originator: george@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:11:52 GMT

I posted earlier a question about the AC-adapter requirements for the HP95LX.
I got two replies back, one mentioning that it is documentioned in Appendix A
while a second added that only later versions of the manual contains that 
material. Anyways, my manual which is thusly identified:
	Part Number F1000-90003
	Edition 2
	English
	Printed in U.S.A. 6/91
does not contain any info on the AC adapter. Would anyone who has a later
edition of the manual with that info please post a summary.

BTW, since I seem to be asking so many simple questions, I thought I might as
well put together an FAQ for comp.sys.palmtops, at least for the HP95LX. I'm 
gonna post a list of preliminary questions that I know the answer to later this 
week. Anyone who has anything to add should email me at george@unixg.ubc.ca.

George

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
Subject: Re: HP95LX or Sharp PC 3000 ? Available in the SF Bay area ?
Cc: minsky
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:33:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.144241.7520@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <LAUB.92Jul27174631@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
>
>Yeah, but where can you get one?

I just got one in Singapore.  But I need some PCMCIA memory cards.
(Type 1.0) Are they all compatible?  Where to get one? I called one
memory card store and the salesman said "oh, every airline pilot comes
home with a PC3000".

Anyway, it works extremely well.  The scalloped keyboard is only
slightly smaller than normal and feels fine.  I make very few errors.
Too bad that HP included the numeric keypad!

Only bug is that the extended memory tends to get erased when changing
batteries (3 AA cells).  I don't think it is supposed to, but if you
wait for the "low battery" warning and then don't turn the machine off
immediately, it doesn't give you much time.

What place has the best price for, say, a 2MB SRAM card?  The best
From: klm@cme.nist.gov (Ken Manheimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Microwriter Chording Patents
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:54:30 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

I have to say i'm surprised, and a bit disturbed, by the tenor of some
of the responses directed to Jonathan Allen.  As is the case with the
contributions of the folk from HP, i'm always happy to have channels
from "the horses mouth", particularly from technically (as opposed to
purely marketing) oriented representatives.  I find Jonathan's
postings to be balanced and informative, and even admirably civil in
the face of untypically abrasive, and potentially provocative,
comments in some postings in this group.

I see that Microwriter had valid and compelling reasons to object to
the postings of the Microwriter's keyboard scheme that contained their
little mnemonic ditties, and i think he presented them in a balanced
manner.  I am for free software and public system protocols, and
specifically against overly encompassing proprietary claims.  The
claims he articulated seem to me to be reasonable, provided they don't
cover chording in general, but rather the specific layout and
mnemonics, as seems to be the case.  The constraints Microwriter place
on licensing their scheme may or may not be in their interest, but
that seems to me to be their decision.

I appreciate your input, Jonathan, and hope you continue to post here.
I do think it's a good idea for you to establish in each posting, eg
in a signature or heading tag, that you are affiliated with the
company.

Thanks...

Ken Manheimer			 	National Institute of
klm@cme.nist.gov (301)975-3539          Standards and Technology
      Factory Automation Systems Division Unix Systems Support Manager

				I like time.  It's one of my favorites.

-- 
Ken
klm@cme.nist.gov, 301 975-3539
From: everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Everett Kaser)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:42:58 GMT
Subject: Re: 95-to-unix backup tool package
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

raan@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Raan Young) writes...
>PS -- I'll also be posting this package to various ftp sites, as soon as I
>find out how to do that (Everett, where are you?  You go home too early.)
>
>Raan

I'm right here at my desk, Raan, where are you?  You come in too LATE!
(The Early Bird beats the Slug.)

** Everett Kaser                   Hewlett-Packard Company
** ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett        work: (503) 750-3569   Corvallis, Oregon
** everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com        "Today is a good day for change."
From: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Carl Dichter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Wanted: HP95LX palmtop
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:23:06 GMT
Organization: SPS

I want to buy an HP95LX, new or used.

I can buy the 512K version new here for $395 after rebate.

----------------------
Carl R. Dichter 			"iwannanugui"
Motorola ASIC Division
email: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: todd@sparcy.Stanford.EDU (Todd Koumrian)
Subject: Re:  Derive on the HP95LX
Organization: Robotics Lab.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:16:50 GMT

(From Todd Nichols)
> Also, Compuclassics has Derive ROM version 2.1 for $189.
> Their number is:  1-800-829-1996.  They have the PC version for $135.
> This is the cheapest I have seen it.  Anyone have a cheaper source?


I called Compuclassics about the Derive card.  Their price is $192
but they couldn't tell me what version it is they are shipping.  The
current version I've seen is 2.0.  I'm curious, was that just a typo
or is there really a newer version out for the HP95LX?

Todd Koumrian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: nichols_t@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: RE:  Derive on the HP95LX
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:17:21 GMT

After going back and squinting at the version numbers for Derive on ROM for
the HP95LX, I have noticed that there are NO numbers given!  Only for the PC
versions are numbers given; 2.5 is available.  So saying that 2.1 Derive in
ROM for the HP95LX is out MAY be (but is probably not :-)) true.  Sorry for
any unanticipated adrenaline flows... 8-|
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Todd Nichols
KB0HQU				            "I'm a microwave engineer."
nichols_t@gold.colorado.edu                 "Oh, you make ovens?"
University of Colorado at Boulder
From: simmons@crd.ge.com (simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: ZEOS Pocket PC experience?
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:11:10 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.palmtops
Organization: GE Research, Schenectady NY

I saw an intriguing ad in the latest PC Magazine for a Pocket PC
from Zeos.  It is claimed to run DOS, provides Microsoft Works in
ROM, weighs 1.3 pounds, and runs on AA batteries.  $600.

Has anyone out there bought one, or even seen one?  If the display
and keyboard are even sort-of OK, it seems a nice addition in the
market between the HP-95 and the larger notebooks. I'd like to
hear of any experience with this machine.
From: jeff@heurikon.heurikon.com (Jeff Mattox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: A bad week for 95Buddy
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:30:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: heurikon.1642
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI, USA

Users of WEEKABK and my 95BUDDY will find that the F8 ("Day") function in
WEEKABK will put you on the correct day, but in the wrong month.  This is
the result of a typo in the code.  Detail:  If the week includes a month
change (as is the case the week of July 26) , and if you are on a day
in the twenties (e.g., July 26 through 29), the F8 key will put you in
the wrong month (e.g., August instead of July).  The August-September
month transition week will be OK because there are no twenties in that week.

Here's a quick fix for the WEEKABK F8 ("Day") bug.  Put the following magic
string at the end of the DEVICE=95BUDDY.SYS line in CONFIG.SYS: 
     -pc=07f2-077d-
where the three dashes represent spaces.  There *must* be a trailing space
after the last digit.  When you reboot, 95BUDDY it will complain that "077d"
is an unrecognized command, but ignore that message.  If you already have
another "pc=" command, separate them with "spcae comma space" (" , ").

Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: Typing on palmtops (was Re: Microwriter Chording Patents)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:46:31 GMT


>I can type 30-35 words per minute on the HP95LX.
>How fast can you type on the Agenda?
>      <John Diamant asking Jonathan Allen a question>

It should be noted that any answer to that question should be taken
cautiously, since (to my knowledge) Microwriter's chording scheme has
never been tested before (in an experimental setting that is).
However, keyboards similar to the one on the HP95LX have been tested.
See "Optimizing a portable terminal keyboard for combined one-handed
and two-handed use" by Michael E. Wikland, Joseph S. Dumas, and 
Lawrence R. Hoffman published in the 1987 Proceedings of the Human
Factors Society.

They found that it is possible to type on a calculator style keyboard
at rates as high as 37 wpm (if you use both hands).  Hand writing
speed for these typists (the fastest group) averaged 35 wpm.

Generally, chord keyboards are slower than sequential (QWERTY)
keyboards.  They can be made faster if the chording scheme
includes chords that represent whole words and frequent letter patterns
like ER and TH.  I don't think the Microwriter does this.  Jonathan would
be a better position to tell you than me.  Also, this is how court
stenographers manage to type so fast on their chord keyboards.

Edgar
DISCLAIMER: My company makes one-handed keyboard software.
From: usenet@crd.ge.com (Required for NNTP)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95LX: small font terminal?
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:48:16 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <l70oclINNlfn@news.bbn.com> jjd@BBN.COM (James J Dempsey) writes:
>Has anyone seen a terminal emulator for the HP95LX which displays more
>than 16 lines x 40 chars at the same time?
>
.......

There is a display shell available on Compuserve, and perhaps, eddie,
that allows display of an 80 x 24 screen (or almost that much). You _can_
use this shell with any normal DOS terminal emulator, such as Columbia
Kermit, to display 80 x 24 characters, but you really don't want to.
The characters are so small, and have so few bits per character, that
they can not be read.

Vic Roberts
GE Research and Development Center, Schenectady, NY
roberts@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Reliability of HP95LX?
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:58:30 GMT

In article <12556@inews.intel.com> djohnson@ch3.intel.com writes:
>
>As far as the problem with the serial port... it reminded me of the problem
>I had with my serial port when I first got it.  I tried to connect and
>transfer using a PC and a serial cable.  I was trying to transfer from 
>my PC to the LX.  I had a nightmare.  I tried using Xmodem, Kermit, anything.
>Nothing worked.  It would send a few blocks, then send an hours worth of
>"bad Blocks," one more good block, 30 minutes of bad blocks... etc.  Very
>frustrating.  I tried every possible combination of cables, connectors, etc.
>thinking it might be a wiring problem.  I tried all kinds of block sizes/
>software configurations.  No good.
>
>Finally, I tried to send a file FROM the LX TO the PC.  Magic, worked like
>it was supposed to.  After that, all transfers in either direction worked
>perfectly.  No more problems to date.

I've had this problem too. And it wasn't just a one-time occurrence, its happened
a couple times now.Is this a bug in the 95's built-in Kermit or serial
port control firmware?

Also experienced: I use a macro to load in a .DCF file into the comm program and
then set up kermit the appropriate way to do transfer between my 95 and our 
Sparcservers. I've had Kermit refuse to perform any transfers at all when using 
the macro, but when I perform the keystrokes manually, it works perfectly.

All the settings were the same in both cases(I checked to make sure I didn't
get any weird characters or errors in the macro.

Any clues on either of these would be great...
---Steve

-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: pgf@cayman.COM (Paul Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: agenda chords anyone?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:09:26 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge Ma


Could some kind soul who saved the infamous chording layout posting
please forward it to me?  Thanks...

paul

p.s.  don't tell Jonathan.  :-)
-- 
		paul fox, pgf@cayman.com, (617)494-1999
		Cayman Systems, 26 Landsdowne St., Cambridge, MA 02139