From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.Indian or Islam or Hinduism??
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.173343.17355@uceng.UC.EDU>, rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.154013.6751@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>
>
>>Bahai faith is HInduism, Buddhism, Islam , Christianity , Buddhism etc.
>>Reflect on it.
>
>You have to be very precise about what you mean. 
>
>Islam and Christianity are unique "protocols" for an individual to 
>communicate with his/her spiritual authority. Hinduism is a culture 
>which includes in it a set containing a large number of such 
>"protocols" and permits each individual to select/create/formulate 
>his/her own "protocol." Cultures based on Islam require enforcement of 
>a single "protocol." Cultures in which Christianity is the predominant 
>faith, in today's times, do not believe in enforcing a uniform "protocol" 
>on individuals.
As I have said countless times purpose of all religions is to merge your
ego in the Supreme and attain salvation.

To do it you have to meditate:
Your ego can reach the Supreme only if first becomes a part of another
elevated consciousness: This is the Hindu concept of Guru. Krishna, Muhammad,
Buddha, Bahaullah were all Gurus.
This is what Christianity means by "Only SON of GOD"
Since this consciousness is always in touch with the Supreme
they are Messangers of God
You also have to practrise some rule in your daily behaviour to help you
in this process. These rules are set by Gurus. It always varies from time
and place.

You always meditate on the Supreme Consciousness: with all four aspects
creation,preservation,destruction and salvation: these signify four hands
of Kali. Whether in your mind you think of it as Shiva, Vishnu or Kali
does not matter: this is polyatheism of Hinduism.
You are told of this technique when you take a "diksha" of any kind.
If you haven't taken it Mr. Bhatnagar you are wasting your time as a
Hindu. Problem is to find a Proper Guru. In this age we can only trust
Gurus those who have been proved beyond doubt like Krishna or Bahaullah.
or Jesus or Muhammad.





>
>NOW, in the above context, how can "Bahai faith" be properly placed?
>
Hope the earlier part helps

>
>>Unfortunately to attain this solution which you dream about a
>>messanger has to come as said in the Quaran and Bible.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Well, As per my belief, there never was, and will never be
>
>- Either a God,
Oh, if a Supreme consciousness doesn't exist: what's Salvation?

>- or entities called his/her messengers.

You will probabaly understand what are messangers from the above

>
>It is "WE" the humanity - the most intelligent creatures - who own this
>entire universe! It is upto "US" to regulate our lives and our survival
>in this universe.
>

Agreed: but my humble reason tells me the Supreme consciousness has put me
here: though you can always bring Charvaka in: I don't see how you can be
a Hindu without recognizing a Supreme Consciousness

>Mohammad, Christ, Buddha etc. were mere social reformers/philosophers. Any 
>individual is as capable as they were.

If they are able to meditate and be one with the intermediate consciousness.
The consciousness level of SriRamKrishna fore example: which was higher than
you : I can safely suppose

> As far as their philosophies are

As you see these are not mere philosophies: they are results of a direct
contact with the Supreme consciousness
 
>concerned, there will always be newer inverstigations, newer thinking, 
>and new philosophers - only because the humans are intelligent creatures 
>and not at all becasue some "God" will reveal it to them. And as for 

Agreed but because God will reveal them in stages when they are ready for it.
You have to work of course. No free lunch. This is the "Lila" Mr. Bhatnagar:
I am surprised such a "pandit" of Hinduism does not know what "Lila" means.


>social reformation, that is a continuous process and will go on until 
>humanity survives.

 Agreed

> Therefore, there is nothing like "Universal Truth" 

the UNIVERSAL TRUTH is that SUPREME CONSCIOUSNESS exists

>regarding the purpose or the conduct of human life which can be revealed
>by anybody at any point of time.
The purpose is to MERGE YOUR EGO and carry on the EVER-ADVANCING civilization
as Bahaullah has said "To know God and to worship God"

>
>DO YOUR OWN THINKING.

I always do

>DO NOT WAIT FOR MESSENGERS, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NONE.

There will always be: infinite in no.

>
>>There has to be a RETURN OF CHRIST.
>
>CHRIST died long time ago. Lets see what Arindam's intellect can 
>put forth in front of today's society.
>
You are seeing it

>>Now think about the Bahai faith: may be you will discover something.
>
>What's wrong with Raj-Bhatnagar's faith which I have decided to follow?
>

Only that you are under the Supreme delusion or the Maya which makes you
thing that you are the Supreme the devil of JCI tradition: the Mara of
Buddhism


>>Arindam
>>
>
>---raj
>
>
Now will you explain from where on earth did you get the idea that the path
you are following is Hinduism. Can you give me name of a single saint who
taught what you told. I think everybody taught what I told. And where are
the Hindu pandits who do not want to listen to a "Bahai" when Hinduism tells
you have to listen to everybody from an ant to elephant: which a Bahai always
does listens to everybody from native-Americans to Muslims

Arindam

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