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From: ajg@seas.gwu.edu (Alan Goldschen)
Subject: Fall/Winter Wear for Outer Banks
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:10:36 GMT

Fellow Fishers:

I noticed some one mentioned earlier about fishing the POINT at Buxton /
Cape Hatteras NC during October and November.  I have never gone during
this time but have heard many GOOD fishing (true) stories.

But, what is the best type of clothing to wear during this time?  Is it
good to wear neoprene waders?  Are wool pants just as good?  Do you need
special gloves like Gortex?  Any other clothing recomendations?

Thank you for your help ...

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Alan Goldschen                       e-mail: ajg@seas.gwu.edu
Department of EE and CS              Graduate Student
George Washington University
801 22nd Street N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20052
From: frankb@chip.tek.com (Frank Borden  436)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:12:31 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Sep2.211359.28264@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
>So far this year, almost everyone/everywhere is experiencing a worse
>drought than last year, but the Crane Resort Owner and ODFW say Crane
>looks in better shape this year.   Is it true, or just a PR campaign?

>FYI - The North Umpqua has emergency steelhead regulations once again
>because of low water and low summer-steelhead return numbers.  To make
>matters worse, poachers are working steamboat creek (primary spawning
>area for steelhead in the North Umpqua), taking advantage of the low
>water.  A $3,000 reward is being paid to folks catching poachers.
>Farther north in the Cascades, special emergency regulations are also
>being considered for the North Santiam, and someone told me even the
>South Santiam.


>Thomas Gilg
>tomg@cv.hp.com

Very VERY :-(

I don't know how Crane is doing. I haven't been there in awhile and
I haven't heard anything about it lately.
 
It is really sad the Salmon and Steelhead are having another bad year.
Their numbers are bad enough as it is. I sure hope Mother Nature is a little
nicer to them for the next few years. I also hope those poachers are
caught and done away with. Just takes a few uncooperative people to
really screw things up. I sure hope the rain does come soon. It will help
those Fall Steelhead and Salmon and it wouldn't hurt the elk hunting either.
  
Frank Borden
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From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Crayfish Immitation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:58:47 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <1684D73D8.M23317@mwvm.mitre.org> KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke) writes:
>Has anyone had success in tying a small crayfish immitation?  They are highly
>successful smallmouth live bait and plastic works well.  There ought to be a
>way to rig up a brown feather fish fooler, but I haven't managed yet.
>                  -Ken

FIELD AND STREAM Had a bunch of patterns in last months (northern) addition.
They looked really neat.. and if anyone wants to tie a few and send them to
me, I'll email you my home address :)

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
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{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
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{ PS: email: fishman@tracker.webo.dg.com .or. mike_fishman@DGC.ceo.dg.com     }

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From: shelley@b30!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard)
Subject: News from Joyce King - ala keys report
Reply-To: shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:06:41 GMT

For friends of Joyce King - author of the Keys Report on alt.fishing,
I have news.  Joyce sent email saying that she and Fred are ok.  The 
keys are off limits (no water, electricity, etc) and they cannot get
back there to see if the house is still standing.  Joyce was back in 
Indiana during the storm; Fred had evacuated to Central Fla.

-- 
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 ( o o )  Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
  ( ^ )   Disclaimer:  This is NOT my master's voice!
  / U \   Whoof!
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:27:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep2.154434.977@ncsu.edu> plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.125748.11202@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick) writes:
>|> 
>|> All you people are being highly critical of jetskiers, but they fight 
>|> much harder than any bass or trout.  The critical part of the fight is
>
>This is the kind of abuse of natural resources that really ticks me 
>off.  A purported C&R advocate who is unwittingly impacting the 
>resource due to ignorance.  I ALWAYS gently hold the jetskier 
>underwater facing upstream (or slowly move the boat) 
> with it's mouth open for several minutes before release.

Throw the jetskier up on the bank so the sea-gulls can peck his eyes
out while he flops about.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Trout and Corn??
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:48:08 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <txd.714950175@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
 
|OK, I asked the same question of my father when we were sitting on a
|lake in Oregon. At the tiem he didn't know why they liked it. He did
|some checking with some of the local fish hatcheries, and it turns out
|that corn looks quite similar to the food that they feed (at least to
|a fish it seems to). I'd guess that local laws prohibiting this are
|trying to give the fish a better chance at survival.
 
Hey Tom, 

  The corn probably does look a bit like hatchery food.  I stopped by a
hatchery near hwy 88 (I think) on the Mokoulmne river.  They had a old
gumball machine that they had filled with hatchery food instead.  Put in
a dime and you could get a handful of food and feed the fish.  These were
much smaller "kernels" than corn.  Many hatcheries actually use "Purina
Trout Chow" or "Purina Fish Chow".  I've seen both in large sacks at the
old Purina factory up in Ft. Bragg, Ca.

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From: lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder)
Subject: Re: Fishing Report...Lower Columbia(long)
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.002035.18613@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, 
tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:


> Some Mustads are the same way.   Atleast when fly tying, it's recommended
> to wrap thread around the pinched area - looks ugly, but it protects the
> line.

A fly hook which has a poorly-formed eye can cost you a big fish.  I lost 
the biggest Atlantic salmon that I ever hooked when the leader was 
cleanly cut by the sharp edge of the returned eye on a big 
salmon hook.  It was about a 30 lb. fish.  I fished through the pool
again using a fly tied on a better hook, and hooked and landed a 12 -
pounder.  It felt like a minnow compared to the lost fish.

Any big game fish is going to reveal the weakest link in your tackle.  It's
important to learn from your mistakes, and to thoroughly check your
gear *before* the fish-of-a-lifetime strikes.  I'm going back to New Brunswick
in ten days, searching again for Mr. Big... and you can be sure that I'll
check the eyes of my flies.

Bob   
 
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From: tjd28@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Western New York State Report
Organization: Columbus State Community College, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:27:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.113841.1042@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey) writes:
>Frank Kruppenbacher (fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
>:
>:     THE FISHING LINE
>:
>:      For largemouth bass, try jitterbugs on the surface, at night, or
>:     rattlebaits, tube jigs, drifted worms, and spinnerbaits in 8 to 10 feet
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>       What do you mean by "drifted worms"?  Is this live bait or artificial?
>
>
>                                               Thanks??
>
>                                               Kevin Dailey
>
>--


On Monday, we fished in the Hocking River using hellgramites floated on top of the
water.  Just put them on a hook and toss'em in, with no weight on the line.  I was
using 6 pound test.  Caught 5 good sized small mouth this way.  Which, was the
most I've ever caught on one trip.


Trav
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: re: Bad Hook Blues
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:47:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant


<Loss of a 30 lb. salmon deleted>
    I can feel for you ! As I said earlier the wind last
night was screaming, and 50' out a large striper rolled
just to show me she was there :-> After about 8 tries I
finally punched a cast through the wind and my only large
bulky bucktail was snatched ! The rod tip plunged and as I
lifted I felt the weight all the way through the grip, then
nothing. Nada. Zippo. Further examination showed me that
in fighting said wind I hit the fly on the rocks behind me,
breaking off the point :-<  :-< I'm usually pretty good
about checking my hook & leader before and after I catch a
fish, but in extreme conditions I guess you have to check
after every *cast* - or suffer the consequences. With any
luck the fish will still be in the neighborhood this week-
end, as I can't get back out any sooner (grrrr).


                                          jc in me.
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From: spies@eastrg2.cray.com (John Spies)
Subject: Re: Fall/Winter Wear for Outer Banks
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:20:19 CDT

In article <1992Aug26.021036.13358@seas.gwu.edu> ajg@seas.gwu.edu (Alan Goldschen) writes:
>Fellow Fishers:
>
>I noticed some one mentioned earlier about fishing the POINT at Buxton /
>Cape Hatteras NC during October and November.  I have never gone during
>this time but have heard many GOOD fishing (true) stories.
>
>But, what is the best type of clothing to wear during this time?  Is it
>good to wear neoprene waders?  Are wool pants just as good?  Do you need
>special gloves like Gortex?  Any other clothing recomendations?

  You need to be prepared for anything from very cold to very warm weather
that time of year. Columbus day weekend of 1981 My father, Brother and I
had very warm weather down there. I was fishing in shorts and wadeing up
to my knees in the surf. We got about 8 or 10 snapper blues one day that
weekend. I imagine it could get pretty cold that time of year as well.

            John
>
>Thank you for your help ...
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Alan Goldschen                       e-mail: ajg@seas.gwu.edu
>Department of EE and CS              Graduate Student
>George Washington University
>801 22nd Street N.W.
>Washington, D.C. 20052
>


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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Saltwater Flyrods and reels
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:01:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

caldwell@cs.cornell.edu (Jim Caldwell) writes:
> I spent a week this summer on Block Island, R.I. and got wild reports on 
> saltwater Bass and Blue fishing from some of the people at the Orvis store
> there.  I've been thinking about about this for a while and now I'm in the
> market for a saltwater flyrod and reel.  Lou Tabor's book on Inshore Fly 
> fishing recommends 10 weight as the best all round rod -- I don't live at
> the beach so I'm thinking a 9 weight would do fine and I could even use it
> for bass and salmon fishing nearer to home.  I've been looking at the
> Orvis rods, specifically the HLS rods, the Sage RPL-X saltwater rods but
> they are big bucks -- about $350 -- are they worth the money?  I figure
> high modulus rods like these could be overloaded to 10 or maybe even 11 
> weight if that turns out to be the best line-weight for casting in wind at
> the shore.  Maybe an 8 weight would do just as well?

Jim,

Our store here in Colorado Springs is carrying Sage RPL-X blanks right now
for $99.  Quite the bargain...  You might want to try finding a store with
some blanks and build yours.  Both Bryan and I bought 8 wt. RPL-X rods for
steelhead  :-)   You can figure on another $70 or so for the rest of the 
supplies... but that is still far short of $350.  I think an 8 wt would do 
fine if you are fishing for fish that are not going to break the 25lb barrier.
If they are then go with a 10.  Bryan uses a 8wt to fish in Florida when he
goes.

> 
> Does anyone have any experience with these or other suitable rods?
> 
> As far as reels go -- the Orvis DX-R's look solid as does the Scientific
> Anglers System 2 reels.  Thoughts anyone?

A good saltwater reel is the Ross Saltwater series.  They have an excellant
drag system.  They are kinda spendy though.  The Ross Gunnison series is
also very good and can be used in both salt and fresh water (this is what 
we use) and the price is a bit cheaper.

Dave

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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re: saltwater fly rods & reels
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:27:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

    Sage, Orvis, Fisher; all are great rods. IMO there is a difference
in casting a quality blank vs. a cheapie. I had an old meat stick stashed
on my boat which I tried the other day, and after a year with my Fisher
I felt like garbage. You may look into Fenwick for a more reasonable,
yet still high quality, rod too.
    As far as weight goes, IMO for blues & stripers an 8 weight won't
cut it for a couple reasons. First is the wind to fly size ratio. Unlike
bonefish (which are caught with fly sizes 6 through 2), you'll need
to throw 1/0 to 3/0 bushy flies and poppers for blues & stripers. Last
night I went out in *serious* winds (the kind I wouldn't windsurf in)
and had a hell of a time trying to cast 45' with a 3/0 on my 10 weight.
A *large* striper had rolled about 50' out and I was killing myself
trying to cast to it with this wind in my face. For reference, on a 
normal day I find it pretty easy to throw 85'+ with my 10 weight. This
is extreme, but these are also some of the best fishing days. With an
8 weight you'll be out of luck. I'd recommend a 9 1/2' for a 10 weight.
The other reason is that while it's certainly possible to land a big
bluefish on an 8 weight, it'll take you forever to do it. An 8 is a lot
of fun for schoolies in low wind, but once you get some you'll want to
go for the bigger ones, so you might as well go right to the big stuff.
    There are hundreds of saltwater fly reels now, and they all work well
so the main question is 'how much money do you have?'. I love my cheap
Martin MG77SS. For $80 it has a great drag and holds 200 yds of backing.
I'm sure I'd love a Billy Pate even more, if I were willing to run the
risk of divorce ! If it's just blues & stripers, the lower end of the
spectrum will suffice; Martins, Pflueger Medalists, Cortland Magnum, up
to the Sci Anglers. Much more is really overkill unless you expect to
head for bigger tarpon on vacation. Don't just price out the reel, though
price the spare spools too. You should have 3 spools; one for a floater
for poppers, an intermediate for most fishing, and either a teeny line
or a sinking shooting head for deep work. If you buy a reel that has a
$100 spare spool you're looking at a big investment ! 


                                               jc in me.



From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 18:22:45 GMT
Subject: Trout and Corn??
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

Does anybody know if I'm remembering correctly?  I thought corn was
pretty bad for trout.  If so, I'd hardly recommend chumming with it,
even if you fish where chumming is legal (is there such a place?).

gt

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Just Wondering, was: Bass vs. Trout
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:32:22 GMT

> The question is, do trout fight alot harder than largemouth?

Each fights differently - apples vs oranges.    I find largemouth,
smallmouth, and sunfish to be bulldoggers with lots of endurance.
This summer alone, my #4 wt SAGE has been put to the limit by
3-lb smallmouths and largemouths to 5-lbs.   Damn tough fish!

Trout on the other hand are strong initial runners and jumpers that
eventually slow down.   Fishing some reserviors, I had some 2-lb class
rainbows literally blow my same #4 wt out in the first 30 seconds.
Lots of dynamic action!

Another variable is fish-strain, water temp., water type, and season.
I was catching 2-5 lb cutthroat out of a reservior in eastern Oregon
earlier this year, and the fight they gave was very disappointing -
a log that swimmed, kinda.   100 miles away, 1-2 lb trout blowing me
away.   Ditto bass/sunfish so far this year.   Even salmon - last
year, I went Chum Salmon fishing 2 times.   The first trip, I had never
seen fresher or hotter fish in my life.   3 days later, the fish were
still coming in fresh (sea lice), but didn't want to fight at all.

Sorry, I'd argue there is no answer to which fish fights harder.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Include State In Postings????
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:33:02 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:24:58 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.175746.5665@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
|
|I don't know the name for a lengthwise hackle tie - maybe Matuka ?
|

The McKim book also has a page which shows wing styles.  The lengthwise hackle 
tie, with the stem tied flush to the shank with the lower half of the hackle 
trimmed, is a matuka wing.  This book has some excellent drawings and 
appendices.

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| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,alt.fishing
Subject: Spur o' the moment trip
Summary: looking for an inexpensive/free place to camp in N.H./Maine
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:34:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

Hello out there.
	I was just given a vacation from now until September 7, the school ran
	out of money to pay me so they call it vacation time!!

	I am looking for somewhere easy to get to to set up camp, swim and of
	course fish!!! I will have with me my wife and two children(3-1/2 and
	1-1/2). Joshua, the older child loves to fish, the younger child,
	Justin, likes to splash about. Their mother, Christine, has yet to be
	convinced that fishing is not only fun but, for me anyway, the best way
	to relax!!! (note I said fishing, not catching) Joshua has to date
	caught ONE fish a 5 inch mackerel off of the town pier using his fully
	functional DuckTales 3 foot long rod and a closed face spinning reel. 

	I had hoped to escape to the family homestead, a half insulated no
	running water, composting toilet installed, 3 floor A-frame cabin and
	112 acres of land complete with babbling brook and an occasional deer
	or porcupine nibbling on the wooden foundation, which my parents own
	BUT, they decided that they would vacation there this very week!!! 
	
	Normally this would be no problem, it's a big house, but Christine and
	I are sick to death of them and want to get away from them as much as
	get away from home. 

	Here comes the real problem, lack of money.

	I, being a starving college student, am barely able to make ends meet
	with the money that I am making here at UMASS and whatever Christine
	can make cleaning houses, (our parents houses).

	If anyone can give me the name or number of somewhere within 6 or so
	hours driving from Boston that will meet any or all of what I am
	looking for PLEASE drop me a line as soon as you can.
	Preferrably somewhere off of a major road way I-95, I-93, Rt-3, etc.
	The more detailed the directions the better.

	Heck if anyone has a back yard big enough and can spare some running
	water and perhaps a shower by all means don't hesitate a reply.
                                              
	Perhaps this too would make for a good addition to the proposed FAQ,
	cheap places to stay to fulfill one of lifes greatest needs, a place to
	fish.

	-mike

	ps. Our budget for the trip is about $150.00 this is to cover gas,
	campground costs, food(I will bring from my folks house whatever I can)
	and any other needs associated with this trip.

	Thank you

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