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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:01:49 EDT
 2Jul29.011511.28576@eecs.nwu.edu>,<92210.191714RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU><1992Jul29.031547.24202@menudo.uh.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Will Calcuttans then have any solution ? No. And the
clue is because the destiny of Calcutta, like any
other major metropolis in india, is not singularly
dependent only on the so called Calcuttans.

The effects of marwari money and the buisness class,
migrant laborers from the neighboring states, and mostly
the left front, Cong(I), BJP and their hooligans are
there to stay. The destiny and the fate of Calcuttan
politics can not be seen in isolation from the rest of
the WB and of the Country.

In some postings( I really am not talking about the
hot heads), though, the nostalgia to return to the golden
days of yester years is too strong. The Calcutta and hence
the Calcuttans were suppose to have a state of exclusivity,
in language, in culture, in intellectualism and in respect
and openness towards women. And as days pass by, that exclu-
sivity seem to get burried deeper and deeper into time
that has passed away. But people, think about it. Isn't this
exclusivity has been there also at many other places ?
Yes. Everywhere when local people look around they find
things have changed and things are changing at a faster pace.
The frustration of Calcuttan's is that the controlling power
in this time of change belongs to some one else. And hence
the logic follows that whoever is controling the power is
causing the change !

Right or wrong the Calcuttans have not voted for the ruling
left front government for many times in a row. But their vote
do not seem to matter. In the process an autocratic mono-
lith may have been created but then it is still a democra-
tically elected government (at least this is what the national
mainstream media - the free press and the central election co-
mmission say). At all India level the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty was
a similar autocratic monolith but it is no more. And the changes
in last one year have been tremendous. The frustration of
Calcuttans is that, at least for now, no end to Jyoti Basu's
left front regime is in sight, and it is not sure that change may
even occur after Jyoti Basu is no more.

So what does one do, sit around and wait for things to change ?
No. If you are not too engrossed in a phoney paper revolution
against the elected government then think about individual issues
and get involved in it. Is'nt it what Partha Roy suggested ?
He is right. And what about these paper(net) tigers of revolution ?
Are you serious ? They are tigers only in their own minds.


regards..                 Deepak


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:26380 soc.women:14292 talk.abortion:29467
From: gayathri@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.women,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Abortion and the status of Indian women
Summary: Re: Abortion and the status of Indian women
Keywords: India, women, West.
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:29:30 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul28.195446.106984@ua1ix.ua.edu>, ngopalas@ha14.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.184107.16452@usl.edu>, sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
> 
> |> In its relatively short span of existence, the attitude of the West 
> |> towards its women is to treat them as objects. This may sound rather 
> |> surprising especially when the West is regarded as having "progressed" 
> |> because it achieved "equality" of the sexes. In reality, it only resulted 
> |> in forcing the women to fend for themselves, something that is evidenced 
> |> by the plight of the numerous single-parent families here. (I feel that the 
> |> number of single-parent families led by _fathers_ is relatively very
> |> small. If anybody has any concrete information, he/she may clarify.)

I'd like to make a small point here. Treatment of women as objects is not 
true of just the west. Even disregarding the past 20 or 30 generations,
women had been treated in just that way for a long, long time. Taking the
time when monarchy flourished in India, princesses were given away in 
marriage just to keep peace with a powerful king even if he were old and 
ugly or otherwise repellent to the bride. As for single-parent families,
several women widowed in childhood had not only to run single-parent 
families but also it was  considered "inauspicious" to see them at certain
times or in ceratin places . Also, they had to depend on their brothers 
or somebody else for sustaining themselves and bear all the insults. The
wives of the time had to see to it that they pleased their husbands in
every way and tolerate even his irrational behaviour - and were generally
some kind of "possessions" who weren't supposed to have a mind of their 
own, who were supposed to forgive and tolerate whatever the husband said
or did, who had to listen either to her father (before marriage), to her
husband or to her son (in her last years). Oh yes, women were supposed to
have been respected at sometime in the historic past - and there have 
been women poets and all that - but barring few exceptions, I can't 
remember reading of a time when women had true respect in the family and
the freedom to choose her way of life - maybe in the B.C s ? If there 
had been such a past when ordinary women had this kind of freedom, I'd
certainly like to hear about it.

> cultures. Our culture is unique is that women do carry a lot of respect,
> but today's consumerist and materialistic attitude has led to an absolute
> breakdown of that respect. The best way to work things out is to use those

It's not just "today's consumerist and materialist attitude" my friend.

Regards,
Gayathri.
--
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email address :- gayathri@ecn.purdue.edu
Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you !!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hindu Refugees
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:59:18 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Jul27.033253.21996@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:


>As I always say there's only two solution.
>1. Abolish religion all together which is not possible as there's truth behind
>it.
>2.Unify all religion in a single whole. There has been only ONE religion
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>all the time in the history.
>Take your pick.
>Arindam

I have seen you mention the above phrase on a number of occasions.
I sincerely hope that you mean the unification of religions in the sense 
of *Common Quest* and NOT in the sense of a *Common Creed*. Acceptance
of Multiplicity of creeds towards a *Common Quest* is the key to end 
the religious strife and conflict in the world.

I believe I am right about you having the above perspective!
Or, am I wrong?


---raj


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Cermony.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:34:00 GMT

	
	If the NBC commentator made such an incorrect remark
	in an international event, why don't we all write complain
	letters to NBC straightening out the information?  That's
	what any American would do if another country made such
	an incorrect remark on nation wide tv?  I think I can look
	up the NBC address - what was the guy's name?

	


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:15:47 GMT

        Something I would like to say to all calcutta bashers. Some of you a
>re going to snicker but that goes with the territory.
>
>         There is something a sensitive person can feel in Calcutta despite the
> complete chaos in the city. It is the spiritual vibration in the city and the
>obvious idealism of the people who live there. believe me I have met many a Ban
>ga Bandhu who craves to speak the MatruBhasha and drink tea in those sise stall
>s near Golpark. Adda for hours ranging over things known and unknown
>
>and the "adjustments" made in the buses etc.etc. And finally there is nought to
> match the Luchi and Dal at Dakhineswar the Kali Temple. Thre pure pleasure of
>sitting in the room where the sage Ramakrishna spent a large part of his life a
>nd what else meditating.
>
>Above all Calcutta has trams the pollution free transport of the 90's and the 2
>0's I hasten to add.
Thanx for your effort, but fortunately today you won't find a single
Calcuttan who agrees with you. As Oscar Wilde once said: "The worst thing you
can do to a poor man is to tell that poverty is great." The time of this
 inactive idealism is over. CPIM has really changed that city; and may be for
the better. That inactive idealism is what brought Bengal down and CPIM is
pushing the Bengalis to the limits of tolerance which is soon to explode. I
am telling this coming out of a family which never voted for Congress in their
life and probably will boycott voting instead of voting for any oter party.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: anupam@pyuxd.uucp (25854-arora)
Subject: Looking for IIT-Delhi graduates
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:37:08 GMT
Keywords: IIT Delhi

I am a graduate of IIT-Delhi Mech Engg 1986 now working at Bell Communications
Research, NJ. I am very interested in getting in contact with other IIT-Delhi
graduates (new or old and from any discipline).

Are you or Do you know an IIT-Delhi graduate, please let me know :

Anupam Arora
anupam@pyuxd.cc.bellcore.com
(908) 699-5777 (Work)
(908) 281-0647 (Res)
From: mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: May I suggest the Crick virus?
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:32:56 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <l6otpvINNno5@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>>
>>>WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE GET THESE TWO BUFFOONS OFF THE NET?
>
>By the same token what are you doing here anyway? And why havent you

	While I am not interested in getting into a flame war, it looks
like your sole intent is to continue this inane discussion. While most of
us are excited by the discussion on Crick virus(Definition: A computer virus 
that generates article bearing its name in the subject line over and over again 
and even gets reel personal), we are nearing the point of being blased(sp?).
So I suggest we take a break. Hopefully the crick virus will not strike again!
>
>
>
>I suupose that by your definition, the only things Indian that can be
>discussed on this net are contents of roti's, post lunch belching, how
>to dig your nose as they did in the old country and what brand of bidi
>tastes better. 

>>>ISNT THERE ANYONE WHO CAN ACT AS
>>>A MODERATOR OF THIS NEWSGROUP AND BLACKLIST THESE MORONS?
>>
>
>Ah atlast the prayer to the almighty bringing out the best of the servile
>instincts that are so overwhelming in all desi's. 

	One of those most hackneyed dialogues, I have heard among a group of
injuns. 

>Try sitting up and
>praying all night and if that dosent work offer a few sacrifices to satisfy
>the gods. Otherwise crawl back into your little hole and stay there until
>you are called upon.

	The tone of the above paragraph has been the shining light of 
intelligence of every crick virus articles!
>
Grow up!

>Samit
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kkavikon@ha02.eng.ua.edu (Kishen Kavikondala)
Subject: LOOKING FOR VENKATESHWARA RAO
Keywords: 
 
Organization: Dept. of Engineering Mechanics,University of Alabama
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:46:52 GMT

I am looking for Mr. B. Venkateshwara Rao from Hyderabad.
He did his B.E. in Mechanical Engineering and M.tech from
IIT kanpur. He came to U.S some time last Year.

If any of U know of Him kindly contact me :

res :205 - 758 - 3861
off :205 - 348 - 1905

or send email to :

kishen@comec4.mh.ua.edu

Thanx

kishen
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:25682 soc.culture.korean:3305
From: jilla@rat.uucp (Sudhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: looking for a roommate
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:23:44 GMT
Reply-To: jilla@rat.uucp (Sudhakar)
Distribution: na
Organization: Compass Design Automation  San Jose, California


I would like to either share a 2/3 bedroom apmt. 

Contact me at jilla@compass-da.com if interested.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sajja@aurora.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev Sajja)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: F1 multiple for a B1 --> F1 Transfer
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:29:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Originator: sajja@aurora.cis.upenn.edu

hi. I was wondering if anybody out there has any information
about getting a multiple F1 from canada..
My brother came here on a B-1 visa and had it converted to a F1.
Now if he needs to go to india, it may not be advisable to go to
the embassy in india. If anybody has any information/experiences
please Email them to me....

thanks ....

cheers,

---------------------
		    /
		   /
		   -------------------->   Rajeev

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 If there is a possiblity of several things going wrong 
 the one that will cause the most damage will be the one 
 to go wrong....

 Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll 
 believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have
 to touch to be sure...  	

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: The remarks..but it is such a poorest nation..
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:49:15 GMT

In article <92209.150757AZSSK@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AZSSK@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>IT was really very bad to hear the commentson the t.v. about India.  I do not u
>nderstand what made thecommmentrator tothink that way. May be he has never been
> to India or does not have a good General Knowledge.  The fact that India is no
>t doing so well is not because ofthelack of astro-turf surfaces but because the
>rules and regulations of the Hockey game have been changed so much in the recen
>t past that they are more suitable for the soccer playing European nations.

Have they changed the rules for the 100 meters dash also?
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:47:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul28.154751.15235@ctr.columbia.edu>, me@comstore.uark.edu 
(My Account) writes...
>....... (deleted).....
>..........My whole point is end does not justify the means.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

           IT DOES !!!!
> 
>We have to restore  democracy at any cost. --- Aditi Sen. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  HOW, MY DEAR Ms. ADITI SEN ????? WITH A HANDFUL OF ORCHIDS ????

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
From: swgto@cs.iastate.edu (Swagato Basumallick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: TRAVEL AGENT: excellent experience
Keywords: Travel, Agent, good experience
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:35:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

I take this opportunity to document the excellent experience 
I've had with one travel agent. The details are as under:

1) I was  planning to travel in December ; so , initially, 
I called up the different airlines and blocked seats on few of 
them. Then, I started hunting for prices, and finally settled with
  " Travel Center,
    Chicago. 

    312-726-0088 .

The person with whom I dealt with was Mr. Eustace Perreira. Although 
he is a sales manager, he was more courteous, patient and efficient 
than many travel agents I've talked or dealt with. 

The pluses:
      a) Very good and competitive price if you are travelling to 
Eastern India. Slightly higher price if you're going to Delhi 
or Bombay.(maybe he has better deals: i was interested in fares 
to Calcutta)

      b) ACCEPTS CREDIT CARDS (in particular, AMEX ) at no extra charge.
                                                     --------------------
      c) Once , when some documents were taking too long to arrive by 
      ordinary post, he faxed those to me immediately.

      d) SENT TICKETS THE SAME DAY (when he received my credit card slip) 
      BY CERTIFIED MAIL. I've confirmed with the airlines: no problems 
      whatsoever.

On the whole, a very positive experience.

If you decide to call him, mention that you've heard about 
him from Basumallick from Iowa :  be sure to expect first-class treatment !!

good luck !!
Swagato Basumallick (swgto@judy.cs.iastate.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: amehta@hubcap.clemson.edu (mehta apurva)
Subject: looking for shridhar rao at auburn u.
Reply-To: amehta@hubcap.UUCP (mehta apurva)
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:35:48 GMT

could someone at auburn univ. please get me in touch with shridhar rao in
the construction eng (?) dept at auburn univ., alabama.
my e-mail address is:
amehta@clemson.clemson.edu
phone : (803)654-1391
- apurva mehta
From: rameshb@babies.frec.bull.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re : Status of women in Hinduism
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:19:10 GMT
Reply-To: romx@babies.frec.bull.fr
Organization: Bull SA Echirolles / France

Any open discussion on Hinduism is always welcome. You need not be apologetic about it. After all we are not Muslims.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:25489 soc.culture.indian.american:2259
From: pvittal@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: May I suggest the Crick virus?
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:59:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I'M PREPARED TO TAKE ALL THE FLAK U CHAPS CAN FIRE AT ME AS LONG I HAVE

SUCCEEDED IN DIVERTING U. 

I REST MY CASE

Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:52:36 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 13-year-old earns degree
 <1992Jul15.190351.1858@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK>,<seOu=t_00WBMQ8D3FH@andrew.cmu.edu>
 <1992Jul21.232647.24914@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
	<92204.213149RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>

In article <1992Jul21.232647.24914@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
(Platy aLoid) says:
>
>>In article <seOu=t_00WBMQ8D3FH@andrew.cmu.edu>,
>>(Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
>>I'd be more impressed if the guy had sex at the age of 7.
>
>
>        Mr. Devineni,
>
>        We're talking here about a child prodigy and not about
>        how early a guy can lose his innocence and unspoilt
>        view of the world.
>
>        Your remark is a sure sign of your decadence in taste,
>        timing, and judgement. I think I make my point and don't
>        want to wax profane further.
>

I can't believe you took my remark so seriously. I did not mean to
diminish his achievements. I don't think I would be able to do it.  In
fact, I was impressed wqith the way he did it unlike the other Indian
version of Doogie Howser in NYC who is reported to have an immature
attitude at Medical School(he cries when he is unable to finish a lab,
has no social life at least according to a newspaper).

Get a life. Are you the kind of guy who would charge me with murder if I
say something like " I could kill you for this" ?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: India is a poor nation.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:45:17 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <59289@mimsy.umd.edu> manas@cs.umd.edu writes:
>
>In article <adesai.712348737@vincent1.iastate.edu>, adesai@iastate.edu (Alpaa
>Desai) writes:
>
>>
>>Time will tell these ignorant people who realy is poor.We Indian's may lack 
>>abundance of cash and wealth, but we are much richer than any other country in
>>
>
>
>Yeah sure! Perhaps we are talking about tolerance (other religions, languages,
>cultures, races, castes, regions). Or maybe, we are talking about our superior
>moral values. Or is it our superior intellectual abilities ( Indians are the
>smartest people on the earth and Americans are the dumbest). Then again maybe we
>are talking about our rich culture (Ofcourse, the west,and particularly America,
>has no culture). 
>
>Maybe, you can enlighten us with what you had in mind - and pray tell us why we
>have so little self esteem that we have to continually shout that we are the

What do you think the media in U.S does all the time?. U.S is the greatest 
country in the world!. This is a statement we hear so often, you could have
noticed if you kept your ears(and mind) open. 

>best, even though it defies common sense.  Unless, ofcourse, you do not believe

Well then you dont have much of a (common) sense. 

>that true respect comes from real achievements and not plain words. And maybe,
>once India and Indians have something real to show, the rest of the world might

India may not be rich in terms of wealth but we sure have somethings much more
in abundance than any other nation. We have for example much more of this 
family value thing that the politicians here are crying hoarse about. We have
great cuisine, great music, great culture and these I think make a considerable
part of a rich life.

India has a lot more to achieve in economic terms but we still have a rich life
in India and it is time impoverished souls like yours fill in some confidence instead of
showing such shameless ignorance and contempt for your country.      
 
>listen and treat India with respect instead of sympathy and pity (or whatever
>else). For now you can count on the support of over sensitive souls like you who
>cannot bear to face the truth.
>

Anything is relative, and sensitivity just as well. Its difficult to penetrate
thick hides. 

>Manas Saksena

Ramakrishna
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sunkad@cse.uta.edu (Venkatesh Sunkad)
Subject: New group
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:33:10 GMT

   I am finding that nowaday every one is trying to form a group

 of their own, based on their language.  On this context, I propose

 why don't we Kannadigas form a group of our own, called

soc.culture.Kannada.
A
a
From: karnik@myria.cs.umn.edu (Neeran Mohan Karnik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian performances in the Olympics
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:25:53 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


	Here's how some of the Indians have fared in the Olympics so far...

Badminton :

	Deepankar Bhattacharya  defeated  Ivan Ivanov, Bulgaria, 15-4, 15-1
	in the first round of the men's singles. Madhumita Bisht defeated 
	Iceland's Elsa Nielsen 11-4, 11-2. However, the doubles team of 
	Deepankar Bhattacharya and Vimal Kumar lost to the famous Malaysian
	brothers Razif and Jalani Sidek, 15-6, 15-3.

Boxing :

	India's Narendar Sigh Bisht lost to Carlos Allende of Puerto Rico by
	a score of 20-11 points. Also, Laid Bouneb of Algeria defeated Sandeep
	Kumar Gollen 11-4.

Hockey :

	1st game : Germany 3 - India 0
	2nd game : India 1 - Argentina 0
	3rd game : Britain 3 - India 1

	India plays Australia tomorrow (Saturday).

Tennis : 

	Ramesh Krishnan lost to top seed Jim Courier in 4 sets in the first
	round.

Shooting :

	Soma Dutta tied for 22nd place in the women's standard rifle 3-position.
	She scored 572 points. For comparison, the gold medallist scored 684.3

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran  Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu,
University of Minnesota         |        karnik@atto.cs.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~