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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Re: New STNG phaser toy
Originator: stdeprie@c00561-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:57:16 GMT


I don't think it is out yet. I think the only thing released are the action 
figures.  Which I now only need Troi and the Borg. I found the Romulan today
at my friendly neighborhood K-Mart for $4.99.  Unfortunately it was
numbered around 35,200, while my others fall between 6,000 and 12,000.
Does anyone have any idea how high the numbers are likely to go on these
figures?  I know whoever gets a number one is happy....probably some assembly
ling guy.  ;-)

Later
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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: re: Majel @ WISHCON
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:39:31 GMT

			She said only that STVII was in the planning stages.
But they're definitely working on it. 
			She also said that paramount won't talk to people about
a seventh season until they're willing to discuss an eighth. "Playing
hardball", she called it. She alluded to people wanting to do career changes
and move on but didn't name any names.
			She also showed some slides from DSN and it looks
fantastic, from a set-design angle. Show starts around the 11th of January
depending on when your station airs things after satellite link, and she didn't
say anything new about the premise which isn't already on FAQ lists here.
			I had the chance to meet her afterwards... very nice
lady. Motherly type. Religious. Nice to chat with, as were some of her personal
staff. Overall, since WishCon was my 1st con but I was only able to make the
last end of the last day, I was impressed / happy.
 
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From: mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano)
Subject: Call for help!
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:11:28 GMT


	Hello, friends & Trekkers!


  We're only in the 3rd season of TNG here in Finland, and the series is
  enjoying a nice popularity.  Due to some inexplainable program policy
  the tv-company airing TNG has decided to cancel the show.  Reason:
  it's been on for so long. (Which is, basically, bs.)

  STTNG is quite popular here.  Unpopularity is therefore not the reason 
  for the cancellation.
  
  They just feel it is time for something else.  This is, of course,
  absolute nonsense.  Series like TNG should be allowed to develop and
  continue, especially when it is closing to its end (will we see a 7th
  season?).

  The fans of sci-fi and especially TNG are arranging (again - we've done
  it before to a happy end!) a letter writing campaign in order to
  keep Star Trek TNG on the air.  If you'd like to add your bit to our
  effort, drop a postcard, or write a letter to the following address.
  Tell the guy, the show should go on 'till its _proper_ end.

  Drop him some mail :)  (Oh, yeah, and the MTV in the address stands
  for "Mainostelevisio" - or Commercial TV (free translation), not
  the You_Know_What.)

		MTV Oy
		Arto Kivinen
		Ilmalantori 2
		00240 Helsinki
		FINLAND

  Thanks for your help!  You can be sure the Finnish fans of TNG 
  appreciate every bit of help!

	- Mika
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Subject: Visions '92: Need a Room?
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

If anyone out there is attending Visions '92 in Chicago/O'Hare
11/27-11/29, I am looking for someone to share the cost of a room.

I will be there from 11/26 til' 11/30, and am looking for a non-smoking
male who doesn't come and go all hours of the night, as I am quiet, and
like my sleep.  (It's a mini-vacation, and I'm due back to work the next
day.)

Please contact me via EMail on Internet "john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.us.ca",
GEnie "DOCTOR34", Delphi "THE34DOCTOR", CompuServe 76257,777, or use
routed pvt. mail on RIME to ->HOLISTIC in COMMON.

Rates are $59+12% tax per night, so you'd pay 1/2 that, if you're one
person.  (1/3 EACH if you have a friend wanting to share w/me.  Etc. for
more.)
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Hallmark Galileos For Sale
Organization: DSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:54:51 GMT

It seems that my son and I both had the same idea, and he bought a Hallmark
Galileo ornament and I bought two. So now we have three. I would be happy to 
sell one or two for the $25 price plus shipping, which should be low for
such a small, light item.  If you're interested, just email me.

Larry
From: jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: StarDates - The Key
Date: 6 Nov 1992 05:09:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <78313.31.0@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de> 78313@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Christian_Karpp) writes:
>Ok, StarDates are computed different in TOS and TNG...
>
>For TOS: it's the Julian-Calendar-Date MODULO 10000
>
>For TNG: it's 4xyyy.y with x as the season number and yyy.y an increasing
>         random number
>
>hope this helps,
>CiderMan

More info, from the STTNG Technical Manual:
"In actual practice, Star Trek script coordinator Eric Stilwell
(co-writer of "Yesterday's Enterprise") is the keeper of
stardates. At the beginning of each season, Eric compiles a memo
listing the estimated range of stardates available for each
planned episode." (p. 78)

-Joel "Building my own Holodeck" Siegel

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From: litt3509@mach1.wlu.ca (Carl Litt u)
Subject: Re: StarDates - The Key
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:39:09 GMT

>In article <78313.31.0@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de> 78313@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Christian_Karpp) writes:
>>Ok, StarDates are computed different in TOS and TNG...
>>
>>For TOS: it's the Julian-Calendar-Date MODULO 10000
>>
>>For TNG: it's 4xyyy.y with x as the season number and yyy.y an increasing
>>         random number
>>
You're close, but yyy.y is not a random number.  Let's take the stardate
45001.0.  The 001 represents the 'shift number' in the current year.  One
'shift number' (that's my personal term, not canon) is equal to 8.766 hours.
(I call it a 'shift' because it closely represents a 9-hour work shift)
How do I get that?  There are (24 h * 365.25 d)= 8766 hours in one earth
year.  Divide the earth year up into 1000 parts, and you can represent
any time of the year, rounded off to the nearest 8.766 hours, using
3 digits (000 to 999).  Of course, rounding to the nearest 8.766 hours is
not very accurate, which is where the '.y' comes in (obviously, .1 is
1/10th of a shift)  So, a log entry made at 45001.0 would be at 8:45 am,
January 1.

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From: jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul Wells)
Subject: Re: Star Fleet; is it military
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:38:53 GMT

smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:

>I have been informed that star fleet isn't a military orginization, I always
>thought it was, they address each other in military ranks, and can be court
>marshaled.....
>any thoughts?
>Stephen

Just as our military is the 'peace-keeping' force for the U.S. (or whatever
country), Star Fleet is the peace-keeping force for the Federation. Yes,
it is a military organization in details, but it answers to the Federation
council and has a primary motive of exploration.

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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Why no brand names on TNG?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:51:57 GMT

	Here are my explanations for the lack of brand names in TNG

1.  Something happens in or close to 2069 where the world as we know it
    ends.  I figure any coproration may go under.

2.  COrportations just don't last that long.  How many companies can you
    name that are over 300 years old?  200?  100?

3.  The writers don't want to look stupid if a compnay they name goes under
    [How do you think the TOS writers would have felt if they said Studebaker
     built their shuttlecrafts only to find out it went under a year later?]

4.  It makes it timeless (see #3) and Universal (SOme companies are not known
    outside the U.S.)

5.  Arguements of which corporations should be used (eg, who do you think 
    should get credit for building phasers, General Electric, Koito, Colt?)

6.  The question of companies paying for product placement.  It may cheapen
    the overall storyline (see "Wayne's World" for an example)

7.   Corporations may not like it (With all the problems the Enterprise has
     with its systems, would a company *really* want its name on it?)


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From: tlb2665@usl.edu (Burleigh Thomas L)
Subject: Re: Holodeck Programming
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:22:06 GMT

In article <880840m.48.721536361@ace.acadiau.ca> 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY) writes:
>I wonder if there's a way, using nested holodecks, to make a reality loop 
>that a person could never escape from.
>
Why bother with nesting holodecks? We seem to do a good job of it here!
(Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
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From: scottsc@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: McCoy or not?
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:28:56 GMT

In article <MERLYN.92Oct28165559@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>
>But this could be by the same faulty logic that makes most of r.a.trek
>believe it is McCoy.  The name "McCoy" never appears in either the
>script (as shown on the air) or the credits of EaF.  Yes, Dee Kelly

I believe that I can offer a semi-official answer to this question. DeForest
Kelly appeared on the last Star Trek special on QVC. One of the things they
talked about was his appearance on TNG. While I don't remember specific bits
of the conversation, the gist was that he played McCoy promoted to Admiral 
not that he played some random Admiral. As the actor playing the part, I
would assume he knows who he's playing. Any ambiguity in the episode is
probably deliberate. TNG spent its first couple of seasons trying to find
its own identity and downplaying  its connections to TOS.


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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: More thoughts on True Q
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:45:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <8269@public.BTR.COM>, rem@btr.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com) writes:

> I noticed that too, in fact it made such an impression that after 5-10
> minutes of the show I decided it should be titled "Tabatha aboard the
> Enterprise", all the motions if Samantha's little girl having powers
> but not yet responsible for her actions, accidently doing random things
> of magic, and always with those Bewitched body motions to activate the
> magic.

You know, you're right!  Not only is Guinan a timelord from "Dr Who", but
Q is a "witch" from Bewitched.  In fact, all the "witches" were immortal and
had the same powers a "Q".  Remember that Q didn't know if Amanda would have
Q like powers or not.  Just like the Steven's son on Bewitched.

Now if they could only work "Gilligan's Island" into the TNG.  "A Three Hour
Tour" of the planets?  Hey, no problem!

Terry
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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals.....my favorite line & spoilers
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: stdeprie@c00514-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu


































Look out mateys


my favorite line from Rascals....paraphrased of course:

Picard: What, go back to Starfleet Acadamy and be Wesley Crusher's roomate?

I found that line particularly hilarious, I was almost rolling on the floor.
This episode was nothing more than plain fun.
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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Kirk's Death
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:23:01 GMT

I understand that in the original screen play of ST VI, Kirk was killed. 
Remember the footage in the promos of Kirk being phasered (which was different 
from the footage of what's her face as kirk beimg phasered) The ending was 
changed at the last moment. When Unification was written, the original STVI 
ending was used and Spock was referring to Kirk's death.

His speech doesn't make any sense otherwise. A short stint on a prison planet 
does not stick out from the other kinds of suffering Spock's decisions made for
Kirk.

Also. I understand STVII is to be filmed with a script by Nimoy? Who wrote the 
Academy Days Script?


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email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

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Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't.
From: CH8305A@auvm.american.edu (Charles Hessenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals: Have a heart?
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:50:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: auvm.92314.135012CH8305A
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center


     Picard's artificial heart does present a poser.  While I've
never been one to let the techo-babble get in the way of a good
story (and Rascal's was not THE worst), Dr. Crusher's genetic message
inserted into the transport beam MAY have caused Picard to have a new
human heart IF they rapidly aged in a normal but accelerated way in
the beam.  It would seem that any physical maladay that any one of
them had aquired after youth (that was itself not genetic) would not
be there in their "newly aged" bodies.
     My real problem from a story-telling point of view was the
incredible coincidence that at the time of the transporter "mistake"
the Ferengi pirates take over the ship and hold the children hostage.
HOW CONVENIENT that by accident one of them HAPPENS to be the captain.
Coincidence is an important part of story-making.  But this stretched
things.
     Their clothes when they originally beamed on were their adult clothes
(look again at the fit, if you recorded the episode), and they were adult
clothes again when they went to the transporter to "become" adults.
A better question is why they choosed, as children, to dress as Star Fleet
personnel (Ro and Picard) considering that they were relieved of duty.

One problem I had was how easily they talked past the ability
each had to live their lives over.  Considering that the ability to
be young with the knowledge of adulthood is a universal fantasy, more
than just a little lipservice should have been given to it.  I'm not
sure even the noblest among us would not at least consider the possiblity
of getting about 40 new years of life.
     Also, if the crew accepted Wesley as a quasi- and then full member
of the Enterprise crew at his age (voice barely changed) then what's
the problem accepting Picard?  Is there age discrimination in the 24th
century?
From: gunthar@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals: How did their clothes change size?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:47:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mankato State University

Horrifically trivial spoilers and an even worse sence of humor ahead:




In article <1992Nov9.135147.17960@devildog.att.com>, smith@acpy01.att.com (Bob Smith (CXNIXPT1)) writes:
> How did the clothes change size when they became children and then adults?

You see, Star Fleet uniforms are actually living, sentient beings from the
planet Spandex IV.  They start out life as drab, acting-ensign uniforms.  The
bland grey color is protective coloring (Spandex IV is a very
depressing-looking planet).  The variations in the environment on Spandex IV
determine the color of the uniform as they approach puberty.  Red Spandexians
are raised on the bald and somewhat pompous areas of the planet, Blue
Spandexians are raised on the colder parts of the planet which gives them a
predisposition to wearing lab coats for warmth.  Gold (or on some TV sets,
Green) Spandexians are the most varied of the bunch.  They are known to be
attracted to lack of any talent with a phasor, the ability to do millions of
calculations a second, and oil slicks.  They are likewise repulsed by dishonor,
contractions, and surviving more than a couple of seasons.

:), as if it really needs to be said.

G.
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: q-me
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:42:27 EST

 -=> On 10-29-92  01:19, Ron C Carman babbled to All saying: <=-

 RCC> I'd like to take a moment to thank this person for
 RCC> spoiling this episode without protection... (sarcasm
 RCC> heavily intended)..  Thank goodness it's a small spoiler.

 RCC> evans@ece.arizona.edu forgets his ^L when he writes:

 RCC> Minor *spoilers* for "True Q" ahead

I really don't know why you guys get so hyped up over lack of spoiler
protection.  Shouldn't the first impulse be to skip this message once
you see "I just saw True Q on last night here in La-La land and I really
liked it.  I thought it was---"



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From: wilkins@dime (Tim Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: dubbed voice
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:26:01 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

James G Spice (spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
> Was little Guinan's voice dubbed, or am I stupid?


Commonly called 'looping', they dub over the same dialog but with the actor 
in studio in front of a screen.  They do it if there's any reason that the sound
wasn't perfect (background sound, slurred word, mispronunciation, ... etc) but not
worth reshooting the scene.  Even a moderate ear can pick those phrases out of 
almost any movie.
From: silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals and Picard's Heart
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:27:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov9.232729.17286
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Wait a minute.

It's already well-established that Picard has an artificial heart (ie,
"Samaritan Snare." I don't care what the technobabble explanation for the
crew getting younger is; if it's an artificial heart (ie, not organic) it
could not have its RNA/RVN vanish to make it younger! Yes, its YATI time -
if logic was applicable to this episode, Picard should be dead (or at
least writhing on the floor of heart failure as it is now too large for his
body cavity and has displaced several vital organs)...

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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: A Few Thoughts on "Rascals" (Spoilers)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:23:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.19045
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Davis



No number ratings, just a few thoughts about the show.

Overall my wife and I found this enjoyable (unlike many of the
net.reviewers, it seems). There was again as with many previous
shows a high level of technobabble. My wife is a molecular biologist
and her reaction to Beverly's explanation about the DNA segments
involved in the age reversal was, "Huh?" But when we watch shows
like Star Trek we engage in a "willing suspension of disbelief" and
tend to ignore the babble unless it's gratuitously overdone.

The biggest blooper we saw in the show was at the end, when young
Picard went through the transporter and re-emerged as old Picard,
to be consistent with the first transformation, Picard's uniform 
should have burst at the seams. In other words, when they were
changed into kids, they were still wearing grown-up uniforms, but
when Picard changed into a grownup again, his uniform changed. This
obviously saves Picard's (and Patrick Stewart's) dignity (can you
picture him appearing wearing just the tatters of a uniform which
he has exploded out of?), but it is a major inconsistency.

The kids were overall well done. It was a little jarring to have
young Picard's accent be so different from old Picard's - they should
have tried for a better match there. And we thought that it might
have been more interesting from a characterization point of view to
have had *O'Brien* shrunk instead of Keiko!

Did anyone else catch the following parallel with a TOS show in 
this episode? When Riker is confusing the Ferengi with his "explanation"
of the computer, I *immediately* thought of Kirk, in "A Piece of the
Action", confusing the gangster with the explanation of Fizbin! 

Richard Darsie
darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu
From: broitman@buchmf.bu.edu (Jeff Broitman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi's butt
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:35:09 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <af87bba1@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> andrew.nipperess@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess) writes:
>Original to: Bacarlso@Silver.Ucs.Indiana.Edu
>Hello
> b> Is it just me, or does the camera add 20 pounds to her butt? 
> b> How about sticking a skirt on her ... or would that not be
> b> proper Starfleet protocol?
> 
>I'm wondering if the camera does similar tricks to her bust.

Actually she's bustier in real life.  On camera she looks like she's
been "straped down."  See the Sherlock Holmes Episode _The Six Napoleons_.
She plays Lucencia (_well_) and is ...ahh...busting out all over...

-jz