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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Dracula filming question
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 NOV 92 02:48:46 GMT

In a previous article, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) wrote:
>machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin) writes:
> 
>>I've heard from several places that all the effects in Dracula were done
>>before camera, with no computer's.  Is this true?  And is there some
>>kind of documented source to prove it?
> 
>Try watching the movie.
> 
According to Francis and Roman Coppola (Roman is Francis's kid, did the 
effects), they used in-camera effects whenever possible.  When there's smoke 
on the screen, there was smoke in the room with the actors, etc.  Much use of 
mirrors for effects, and double-exposing film as well.  This per their 
speeches and previews at the Orlando WorldCon in September.

I can't imagine EVERYTHING was in-camera, but they tried.  Also, according to 
this week's Entertainment Weekly, many of the backgrounds were actually slide 
projections on walls behind actors.  This I imagine instead of more 
traditional matte paintings.  I did find the background scenery (esp 
mountains) very "different" looking than most films.

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:39:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov13.165354.7797@b8.b8.ingr.com>
  <1992Nov15.110820.322@news.uwyo.edu>

Planet of the Apes was released the same year as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Apes won the Oscar for Best Costumes.  It was later noted by 
either a media critic or Kubrick himself that the Academy voters
probably didn't realize the pre-humans in 2001's "Dawn of Man"
sequence were very agile dancers in costume, and that they probably
thought they were very well trained simians of some kind. Compare
if you wish, the simian costume jobs on both films and draw your
own conclusions :-) 

By the way, as an anecdotal aside, I took a tour of 20th Century
Fox studios during the year the first Apes film was being shot, and
they took us thru some of the interior sets. They were very
secretive (the tour-guides that is, and it was a walk-thru tour)
about the film, would not lets us see any of the actual filming
and kept trying to impress on us what a radically different kind
of film it was going to be.

Harv
From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: why the hang-up on NC17?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:06:28 GMT
	<1992Nov15.044137.5024@spectra.com>
	<1992Nov15.062915.26252@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Nov16.205719.29272@spectra.com>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: johnson@spectra.com's message of 16 Nov 92 20:57:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.205719.29272@spectra.com> johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov15.062915.26252@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.044137.5024@spectra.com> johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) writes:
>>>
>>>Please don't confuse the R and NC-17 ratings.  NC-17 is simply a
>>>renaming of the X rating, no-one allowed under age 17, which implies not
>>>only "sexuality, naked breasts" but fully viewable sex acts
>>>complete with genitilia.  Besides that it usually means there is no
>>>plot to the movie.  I'm not making a statement, just clearing it up.
>>>
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I think you've been misinformed.  NC17 wasn't created
>>just to rename X -- it's simply that since X has been associated with
>>pornography, such as you describe, the industry felt that respectable films
>>that were just too intense for people under seventeen were in effect censored
>>by the X rating.  So NC17 was created to differentiate between graphic,
>>sometimes frightening films, and straight pornography.  Please keep in
>>mind the classic Midnight Cowboy, starring Dustin Hoffman, and Best Picture
>>winner, was rated X.  I don't think anyone ever accused it of being plotless.


Keep in mind also that the MPAA cannot trademark the "X" rating, but
that can (and have) trademarked the NC-17.  Now all ratings are
trademarked, and cannot be used without their permission (which was
not true of the "X" rating -- hence XX XXX, etc.)

There was a *strong* element of commerce in this redesignation.

jas
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From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Subject: Re: Die Hard 3 - It's a Small World.. (REPOST)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:49:03 GMT


Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:33253 rec.arts.sf.movies:8819
From: msr@kepler.unh.edu (Reno no BAKA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Dune - speilberg lucas?????
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:01:00 GMT
Organization: None what-so-ever
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In article <1992Nov13.095900.10448@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:

[Article deleted (way to long for my 1200 baud modem :)]

Well, it would seem that you wanted a exact translation (or close to it) of the
novel. This is soething that could not happen (or else the movie would be a 
couple days long:). I think if we consider the movie seperate from the novel,
as it should be in the first place, then it is a very interesting movie. I had
no trouble following it, nor did any of my friends. We all enjoyed it, but we
knew that it was nothing like the novel (and the novel was better). I don't
think that they wanted to make an exact (or even close) translation of the
novel, rather, they wanted to use the name of the author, the book, and most of
the main characters to draw a crowd that was unfortunately expecting the novel
to be reproduced on the screen. That is mainly why people who haven't read the
book enjoyit as much (they don't know what they are missing). I do, but I don't
care because I realize that the movie and the novel are two seperate stories.
If viewed like that, the movie isn't really half bad.
--Matt
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From: cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor)
Subject: Re: HELP! I'm in a "Time Warp" *RHPS*
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:20:50 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1992Nov15.143920.1@ualr.edu> kmgettle@ualr.edu writes:
>I have been deprived!!!!  Help me! 
>I live in Little Rock, Arkansas and cannot find The Rocky Horror 
>Picture Show shown in a theater anywhere!!!!
>If anyone knows of a place near that actually shows it and allows particpation
>please tell me.
>
>
>Thank you,  
>
>

I hope this isn't an example of what we have to look forward to under
President Bill.....

:^)



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From: x91kozlowsk3@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: RE: THE ABSOLUTE WORST MOVIE OF ALL TIME
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:41:46 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

YOU'VE NEVER SEEN "LEONARD PART 6" HAVE YOU?
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Joan of Arc gossip
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:19:54 GMT

ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:

>Sinead, as Joan of Arc?  Is this some kind of sick joke?

Actually I think it's quite appropriate for someone with Sinead O'Connor's
beliefs to play Joan of Arc.  She seems to stand against ignorance, oppression,
and hatred in the same way that Joan of Arc did.

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to our friend Rob Bernardo.
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From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: Advance news/hype on "Chaplin"?
Summary: Desperately seeking advance publicity notices
Keywords: Robert Downey Jr., Attenborough, Kline, Penelope Ann Miller, Aykroyd, 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:34:43 GMT

Oh the Hollywood hype is frightful
I doubt the flicks are delightful
But since I've been waiting since 1988 for this...

IS there any advance word of "Chaplin", due out here in the Great White North
on December 25, in the UK on December 16?  Why have it released on the day
Chaplin died? Why have it on a holiday? 
Attenborough has been quoted in the London Observer as saying Downey is
De Niro in Taxi Driver, Kingsley in Gandhi, and Brando in On the Waterfront.
Perhaps this is overstating the point.  Anyway, it looks like Crystal has
another rival for the Best Actor Nomination, from what I've read and from
what Brits have told me of the preview on 'The South Bank Show'.  So, out
there in Hollywoodland, if you want your chance at a Best Actor Oscar, you
should play either a Borscht Belt Comedian, or a Comedian vilified by the
United States.

Christina O'Sullivan
cosulliv@sfu.ca
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula mistake maybe
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

In article <Bxu8D1.LxG@inews.Intel.COM> mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ) writes:
>
>-- 
>Elizabeth Levy writes:
>
>	I thought this was intentional.  His hair turns grey when confronting
>	Dracula directly, and reverts when they are no longer facing each
>	other (though not all the way to black).  They are supposed to be
>	contrasted with each other (since both are in love with Mina), and
>	Harker is in some sense more pallid than the Count (the former being a
>	proper Victorian gentleman, the latter being a virile foreigner).  The
>	hair perhaps emphasizes this point.
>
>Someone else mentioned this "intentionality" as well.  For me, it's too
>goofy; it carries symbolism of some sort that is overly contrived.  

Heh, heh.  All within the range of interpretation.  The hair thing is
actually a fairly minor spin.  We may consider, for instance, Lucy and
Mina to be in a sense the same person.  One is the wilder side, the
other the more proper (Victorian) lady-like aspect.  The wilder side,
the looser, more sexually active side, dies while the other survives,
clearly showing which side is "better."




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total of 7,107,017 documents.  This marks the first time that the
total number of reported classification decisions in a year is a
palindrome.		-- 1991 Information Security Oversight Office
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From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN, lightly salted & reviewed (no cholesterol, no spoilers)
Keywords: ALADDIN
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:34:40 GMT

Moriarty Writes:

>PPPS.  My remaining question: What will Dan Parmenter find horribly wrong
>       with this Disney film? :-)

Well, if it's the same Dan 'Random' Parmenter I know, it will be far to 
'cutesy' for him.  His fillings will ache.  He might have too much fun.

:):):):):) <--for the humor impaired




>
>                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
>

-Neal
(appologies if Dan has already posted an eternal diatribe on the subject,
 I'm just back from vacation, and about 400 articles behind.)
From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: >>>RISING SUN (Was RE. Jurassic Park Spoiler)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:09:08 EET
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:

> 	I for one would like to see "The Terminal Man" adapted; it could be
> set in the present day even though it was set in '72, and would be one of the
> greatest chase/manhunt movies ever done.  However, I hope they NEVER adapt
> "Sphere", probably MC's worst novel.

Terminal Man (wb) 1974 pv 107(104) min d/p/s Mike Hodges c Richard H. Kline
lp George Segal, Joan Hackett, Richard A. Dysart, Jill Clayburgh, Donald
Moffet, Matt Clarke, Michael C. Gwynne, James B. Sikking

I have it, pretty good thriller.

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From: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl (Maciek Uhlig)
Subject: TOP TEN by Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Organization: Computer Center, Silesian University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:02:19 GMT

Sorry, my mailer doesn't see microsoft.com.
Frank, why did you stop sending TOP TEN list?
Maciek

muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl [155.158.2.8]
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula"
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:52:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1e8g0rINNbtj@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.144420.28199@scott.skidmore.edu>  
>dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
>> Agreed- visually stunning and thought -provoking.
>> 
>> Anthony Hopkins provided much-needed campy comic releif.
>> 
>I didn't like Hopkins "comic relief" much.  I think it lessened
>his performance and lessened the tension in the film (and
>was downright silly in a couple of places).  I thought the
>character of Van Helsing was a weak point in the film.

	I don't know about that - there were a few points where Hopkins'
comic relief did just what the name implied; kept the movie from getting
stale or overly melodramatic.  I had the same reaction to Hopkins in Dracula
that I did to Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven:  They were both unexpectedly
funny, and made the movie that much more watchable by serving as a valve to
relieve excess tension.

						-Jay
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:40:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


	Well.  A few impressions.

	This movie is loyal to the book in a few areas.  The form of the 
narrative is diary entries and letters, and I don't think it was a bad
device.  The characters of Seward, Morris, Holmwood and Harker are all
completely uninteresting, two-dimensional and interchangeable, just like
in the book.  The general plot is the same.

	However, the realtionship between Mina and the Count is deepened
considerably, and I don't think to the benefit of the film.  In Bram Stoker's
book, the Count is Evil with a capital E, and it is his own selfish wants
that cause him to try and turn Mina into the undead.  Coppola has tried to
turn Dracula into some romantic, tragic figure, probably in an attempt to
sway all the Rice loyalists.  Unfortunately, it destroys the central theme
of the story, and that leaves the story with no central theme.  So, he in-
serts another one.  Blecch.  Love Conquers All.  No Thank You.

	For some reason, Coppola felt obliged to encase Gary Oldman in 
several kilos of latex at various points in the movie, which I felt was
a bad mistake.  Just because SFX techniques are available doesn't mean
they should be used.  Unless you're going to turn him into a 100% wolf,
or 100% bat, let the count be the count.

	All the horror of the ship voyage to England was removed, or at 
least greatly dissipated.  It could have been gripping, instead, oh, so
what?  

	Although we are told the story takes place in 1897, everyone is 
wearing costumes that are at least 10 years old.  You'd think that they
would bother to hire a competent costume designer, or at least let her 
know the period.

	Altogether a fairly disappointing effort, all the more so because
it could have been so good.  I can't recommend paying more than matinee
prices for this, and that only if you're a romance fan.

--
gharris@jade.tufts.edu          
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Dracula filming question
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.200944.18907@cis.ohio-state.edu> fontana@apache.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana) writes:

>In article <BxroG1.JEw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin) writes:

>>I've heard from several places that all the effects in Dracula were done
>>before camera, with no computer's.  Is this true?  And is there some
>>kind of documented source to prove it?


>There are some excellent articles about Dracula in last month's
>American Cinematographer.  Indeed, many of the effects WERE done in camera.
>Especially interesting was the fact that for those jittery, flickering
>shots from Dracula's POV as he makes his way to Lucy's room, for example,
>they used an old Pathe camera hand-cranked at 18 fps.  Lots of fun, and
>a neat effect.

Actually they used the Pathe camera for one scene, as Dracula is walking 
through London, and in the background you can hear a barker advertising the
"new" Cinematograph. For the jerky, suddenly speedy, suddenly slow shots 
approaching the house, they either did that in editing, by cutting out 
frames of film, or, my guess is, that they used the new Arriflex 535 camera 
which can change fps in the camera and automatically adjust the exposure. 
(They discuss this Arri 535 in the press materials for the film.) 
	A movie camera's shutter speed, unlike a still camera, is dependent 
on how fast film is being run through the camera. In 16mm, at 24 fps, the 
shutter speed is 1/48th of a second; i.e. it is always the fps 
doubled. Thus, if you decreased your fps, to achieve fast-motion, you would 
dramatically decrease your shutter speed, and thus would overexpose the film 
if you did not adjust your aperture or f-stop. 
	The Arri 535, can adjust fps, during a shot, and automatically 
compensate for the decrease in shutter speed, by opening or closing the 
lens. This is how the camera would seem to speed up for a moment, they just 
adjusted the fps downward for that period when they wanted a jump forward in 
space and time.

For those of you into photography this may be interesting, otherwise, just 
forget I wrote it. Oh, and fps means "frames per second."


Jeff Jonsson
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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: Re: Satyajit Ray's movie YAAAYYYY!!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:27:31 GMT


Bondhi Mahathiram !

kelvyn

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From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:22:48 GMT
	<75399@hydra.gatech.EDU>

  In article <75399@hydra.gatech.EDU>,
  gt9398b@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher R. Boggs) writes:

>
>>By the way, if people are skipping his films because they don't like
>>Lee personally, you are missing some very good films.  Regardless of
>>whether you agree with him, Lee is a talented filmmaker whose films 
>>don't resemble anyone else's.  There is strong artistic merit in Lee's
>>films, and those serious about film are making a mistake if they skip
>>his films.
>>
>    Spike Lee is simply increasing the paranoia over "racism". Movies such
>as his do nothing but make people paranoid and look for "racism". And when
>you are paranoid about it to the extent that American public is, you tend to
>see it everywhere you look. He is doing _nothing_ to help fight "racism", but
>at the same time, he is making tons of money by using it as a vehicle for his
>own personal gain. The only reason he is so "well liked" is that he happened
>to come along at a point in time when his brand of propaganda has been whole
>heartedly embraced. In my opinion, its sad and he is doing more harm than good.
>
>-Chris
>
>
>-- 
>[]==========================================================================[]
> |     Christopher R. Boggs, MGT Major, Georgia Institute of Technology     |
> |    "Death is life's way of telling you that you've been fired." -Anon    |
>[]==========================================================================[]

  What? You think he's an "uppity nigger" spreading unrest and dissension
among the "good niggers"? ;->

  Paraphrased from "The Autobiography of Malcom X"


                                                            adam
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From: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:02:19 GMT

Too many damn attributes on this message:

>>You have not read the comments here very well, then.  It is very
>>significant that women have all reported liking the film.  As

I'm going to be *really* charitable and assume whoever made this
silly, sweeping general statement just hasn't seen all the articles
that have been posted here about Dracula.  I've seen several from
women who didn't like the movie -- and you can consider this posting
one more.
-- 
Patricia Martin Steward                      patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
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I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
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From: vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan)
Subject: Re: THe Bounty: was Re: Anthony Hopkins
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:32:17 GMT

In article <By255y.D21@rice.edu> schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.230503.6585@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>|> Nitpick time.  One of the good things about "The Bounty" is that it is *not*
>|> based on the book "Mutiny on the Bounty" (a very biased view of the Bounty
>|> incident).
>
>Of course not. It's based on another book entirely, a non-fiction volume
>entitled (if I remember correctly) CAPTAIN BLIGH AND MR. CHRISTIAN.
>Nevertheless, THE BOUNTY is the best version of the story I've seen on film
>yet.
>
What leads you to believe that the book, _Mutiny on the Bounty_, is a very biased view of the Bounty incident.  I just finished reading the book and I though it was great!  I would like to know, however, if it presented all the facts.

Jake