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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Letter to Bush
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.113850.688@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> [unnecessary repost - $1k wasted - deleted]
>
>Sven, I think I see your problem here...you claim to care what happens over
>there.

"Care" is certainly an understatement about the emotions of a person whose 
country is being butchered by the army financed, among others, by the same
guy who sponsored the FSII match.

However, "care" does accurately describe the feelings of a vast majority of
INFORMED (alas, they are a minority) Americans.

>If you took your energy used to point out how wrong our views are, and directed
>it towards bitching at your local congressman/congresswomyn, you MIGHT have
>actually achieved soemthing.

What makes you think I haven't been doing that?

>I know, I know. It is easier to rant and rave and attack other people than it
>is to actually DO something, but it might make you a happier person in the long
>run if directed your energies towards MAKING a difference instead of merely
>WANTING a difference.

It might not make you a happier person if you shut up, but it would definitely
make you a wiser one.

	Sven
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Harper vs. DMC
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:11:25 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1hv0g3INNhds@life.ai.mit.edu>, joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.210659.744@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> |> In article <1992Dec30.224451.2878@progress.com>, disabito@progress.COM (Paul Disabito) writes:
> |> > At any rate, it will be interesting to see if DMC accepts
> |> > this offer. I'm just afraid that it will divert people's
> |> > attention away from his original positions :-)
> |> 
> |> "...to see if DMC accepts this offer....?
> |> 
> |> Paul, DMC MADE this offer. Go back and read the times of the posts. I threw
> |> down a rather spiked guantlet, and Mr. Harper is trying to get away...
> 
> Paul was obviously referring to the match on ICS which was NOT made by you.
> It would be quite difficult for the rgc readers to see the match if it were
> not on ICS.

The initial offer was for me to play someone else. That is hardly a challenge. 

"I challenge you to play that guy over there."

Yeah, right.

> 
> By the way, your offer to Bruce is not exactly even since you get the luxury
> of a plane flight either way (if you lose, you have to pay for your own
> flight, though).  If Bruce wins, he gains nothing (unless you pay for some
> flight of his to somewhere).  I do like the idea of the loser not posting to
> the net for a year, though.

Fine Bruce can have the luxury of flying here, and loser pays.

No big deal to me either way.

Bruce, that make the deal sweeter for you? When will you be coming in so I get
things bonded?



> 
> ================================================================
> =             T. Andy Frakes (joltman@ai.mit.edu)              =
> =                                                              =
> = This user does not believe in smiley faces.  Insert your own =
> ================================================================
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:46:24 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec31.060957.17312@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> Well, I really don't feel like continuing the discussion with that 
> D(ull) M(oronic) C(lown), so I'll jump to a so-far-unmentioned thing about

Very mature Sven, you ARE improving.

> the match. Many people have asked what good the match was for Yugoslavia, if
> it took $5M _out_ of the country, and many of them were not that convinced
> that the propaganda effects were sufficient.
> 
> So far, nobody has pointed out that the match had a big positive effect on
> the morale of Serbian people - note that chess is much more popular there 
> than here in the US. It is a situation opposite to the one that arose when 

Ahh, Fischer's crime was to improve morale...I see.

> Yugoslavia was banned from the European Soccer Championship - it was the 
> hardest consequence of the war that had hit the Serbs up to that point!
> 
> But now they were entertained, placated, their attention drawn away from
> their growing economic misery, and their wish to overthrow the fascist
> government weakened. They even re-elected them!

Gee! Maybe Bush should have paid Fischer $5 million to have the match here so
he could have been re-elected.

> 
> Now this was worth (for Milosevic&Co.) far more than $5M.
> 
> I hope there is not many more than one person who doesn't see the difference
> between participating in this entertainment business and just playing chess.
> 
> 	Sven

Gee! We should have held chess tournaments during Viet Nam! We would have WON!


> 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: this has got to stop
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:32:02 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1993Jan1.033347.12988@julian.uwo.ca>, roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes:
> In article <1hvtvbINNgti@agate.berkeley.edu> jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Please, everybody just ignore this asshole. The inference people fail to make 
>>which keeps this guy around is that *only an idiot* would behave this way!  
>>That means that it is a waste of time dealing with him.  And I dont mean it is
>>a waste of time because you wont convince himn he is an idiot,  that is 
>>already obvious.  What I mean is it is a waste of time dealing with him 
>>because his opinion is worthless. WHO CARES WHAT THIS GUY THINKS!!
> 
> Sorry but I just had to respond. How dare you (and others like Sven)
> call that person an idiot or say that he does not know how to play without
> a shadow of a proof? How dare you insult him even more when he challenges
> you to a game and not accept the challange? Is it just me, or is this
> a fine example of two year-old mentality? It seems that you need
> to have your memory refreshed as to what an argument ad hominem is.
> 
> As to your last sentence, I care what this guy thinks. Human beings
> are too stupid to surpress even a single opinion. If you disagree
> with that opinion, that is your right, however, it is not your right
> to insult anyone. You may point out what, in your opinion, is wrong
> with his argument, but it seems to me that you have not even attempted
> to do so.     
> 
>  
>>The Next time you get pissed off at what a total asshole this guy is and get 
>>ready to write a response, go through the following thought experiment first:
>>Think of what this guy must be like in person.  Imagine how you would react
>>to him if you met him in person.  You'd probably just laugh at the guy as 
>>a poor deluded guy who just gets on your nerves.  You'd want him to go away.
>>You'd realize that fueling his idiotic need for attention will just keep
>>him around.  So you'd ignore him.  Let's try to do that here.  
>>
> 
> I must show this to a logics professor at our university, he will be
> able to use your paragraph as a perfect example of the kind of arguments
> that should never be used. 
>     
>>Please. Don't respond to anything he says.  If anything, just do it out of
>>curiousity to see what he'll do if he has no one to irritate.
>>
>>Jeffrey Ely
>>
> Eric
> 
> 

Eric, you can count yourself as one of the five voices on here that are
actually concerned with truth in any way, shape, or form. As a result, I expect
you to draw a fair amount of flame attacks.

But, I have no doubt that in the long run, in the big game of life, you'll beat
them all.

Two thumbs up.

DMC


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Need help with GIICS!
Keywords: GIICS
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:35:54 GMT

fdelahan@math.uci.edu (Franz Delahan) writes:

>In article <BztvE9.BoJ@world.std.com> mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser) writes:
>>
>>I used to be able to use GIICS fine when I was unregistered on ICS.  Now
>>that I'm registered, it doesn't work.  Here's what happens:
>>
>>When I log in using GIICS, it sends an extra carriage return or something
>>at the username prompt, causing ICS to repeat the prompt.  Then GIICS
>>sends the correct username, and ICS recognizes it.  So far, so OK, but
>>next ICS prompts for the password and GIICS sends that pesky extra
>>carriage return again!  So now ICS pops back to the username prompt, and
>>GIICS sends my password.  ICS thinks that this is my unregistered username
>>and proceeds from there.  Thus, I cannot use GIICS to get onto ICS as a
>>registered user!
>> 
>>I am using GIICS 1.53, the latest I could find on
>>valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu.  I have even tried editing the .CNF file and
>>removing alternately the carriage returns and line-feeds, to no avail. 
>>Does any kind soul out there know what's up and what I can do?
>> 

>I noticed that someone had replaced "\n" with "\r\n" in the messages
>for version 1.53. I'm not sure why someone "fixed" 1.53.  I had the
>same problem as you and so I use 1.51 which is still available.  All
>versions have trouble with the new ICS 2.0 format. I've found the
>problems and have corrected them in my personal version. This version is
>not suitable for release since it is now too idiosyncratic, but I can
>explain how to fix the problems.


>--
>Franz Delahan, Math. Dept., University of California at Irvine


You said that 1.51 is available.  Where?  What will I sacrifice if I
downgrade?
 
How did you customize your copy of GIICS?  Do you have the source?  Is it
available?  What compiler did you use (I have access to Microsoft C for
DOS, version 7.0 -- will that do?)?
 
Also, what's the scoop with ICS 2.0 version whichever version GIICS is
designed to work with?  Will the author upgrade GIICS?
 
Thank you for your reply last time; I hope to hear back one more time!

...Roy Eassa


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Re: just a point of view
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:23:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.071413.19159@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Sarajevo is not in Yugoslavia. Bosnia is not under any sanctions.

As I understand it, the sanctions apply to all the states which
were part of the former Yugoslavia.  This includes Bosnia.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: tim@socrates.umd.edu (Tim Perez)
Subject: Results -- Eastern Open
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:29:06 GMT


 Event:  Eastern Open
 Locale: Holiday Inn, Wisconsin Ave., Bethesda, Maryland.
 Date  : Dec. 26 - Dec. 29
 Type  : 8 round swiss

 Highest rated player: Sergey Kudrin -- 2681


 Standings after round 7:

 (Only the top boards.)

 Alexander Shabolov  (2613)    6.5
 Igor Ivanov         (2604)    6.0
 Michael Rhode       (2632)    5.0
 Eugene Meyer        (2526)    5.0
 Richard Delaune     (2438)    5.0
 Bruce Rind          (2432)    5.0
 Curt Jones          (2406)    5.0
 Joe Shipiro         (2352)    5.0
 Sergey Kudrin       (2681)    4.5
 Eidemiller          (2322)    4.5  (didn't get his first name--sorry)
 
 plus all the other 4.5 through 0.0



 Round 8 (last round)


 Meyer - Shabolov   0 - 1
  
 Rind  - Ivanov     Still going at 10 PM when I left. Ivanov with the worst
                    of it in a same colored bishop/pawn ending.

 Delaune - Rhode    1/2 - 1/2
 
 Jones   - Shapiro  (didn't get the result of this game)

 Eidemiller - Kudrin  0 - 1


 ** Shabolov wins Eastern Open with final score of 7.5 - .5 ** 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:34:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.105407.685@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.050754.13986@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>
>[boring nonsense deleted]
>> 
>> Perhaps you should turn your brain on and reread the whole dialogue (as 
>> reposted hereby).
>
>Brain is on. And, I have been reading. Maybe YOU should be more careful about
>what you post. (Unless, of course, you deny you have been comparing the
>legitimacy of punishing Fischer with the legitimacy of punishing people
>who butchered six millon helpless victims.)
>
>
Well, it is obvious that your logic is rudimentary, so what I'll say will be
futile, but anyway. The initial argument (yours or someone else's, but 
certainly not very smart) was that Fischer shouldn't go to jail because he is
not a threat to anybody, physically. By simple reductio ad absurdum I showed 
that the argument was stupid. It could have stayed that way, but then you had
to show that you are stupid, too. Oh well...

	Sven
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1992Dec31.165825.759@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.063627.18077@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec29.225755.726@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Ha ha ha! I bet Sven would approve wholehartedly if some Iraqi court were to
>>>pass sentence on an Iraqi that moved here, but had not yet legally become a
>>>U.S. citizen. According to Sven, they would still be under Iraqi law for the
>>>two years it takes to become a U.S. citizen.
>>>
>> Three years of law school and you don't know how long it takes to become a US
>> citizen? Shame on you!
>> 
>> 	Sven
>> 	(who would be a US citizen if dmc's claims were right)
>> 
>> 
>
>Two years if you marry someone.

Three. You failed again. See you next year (i.e. 1994).

>What about it Sven--should an Iraqi be under the laws of Iraq while he or she
>is waiting to become a US citizen?

Yes. He'd better not go back to Iraq, but he has all the rights (if there are
any) and duties that come with Iraqi citizenship.

And how come you don't think the U.S. should respect the Iraqi law in this
case? That would be consistent with your views expressed so far. 

>Please Sven, enlighten us with your answer.

Dmc, you may or may not answer. I don't care. This is my last posting in this
thread.

	Sven
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: It is legal to play chess in Yugoslavia
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:16:12 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <PHR.92Dec23124354@napa.telebit.com>, phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>     > Obligatory chess question:  Does there exist a chess position in
>     > which Black has enough material to mate White in theory, but Black
>     > cannot mate White even with White's cooperation, while on the other
>     > hand White can mate Black without Black's cooperation?
> 
>     No. If it can be proven that black cannot mate white even with white's
>     cooperation, then it is impossible in theory for black to mate white.
> 
>     The two situations can not co-exists in our universe using our logic.
> 
> This is an issue of semantics.  The question asked about when
> black has *enough material* to mate White, meaning there are
> positions where Black could mate White with that material; however,
> this does not have to be one of those positions (and Black can't
> be able to reach such a position even with White's cooperation).
> 
> For example, I think it is normally possible to mate with KBB vs. K.
> But if both Bishops are on the same color squares (through
> pawn promotion), mating might not be possible--I haven't thought
> about it enough to be sure.

Hardly semantics. Either it is possible for black to mate white, or it is
impossible for black to mate white.

Enough material implies it CAN be done. However, if it can not be done, then
obviously black needs (at least) one other piece to force a mate.
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: NEW MEMBER
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks)
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA

The folks down here in BUM_NET, Myrtle Beach, SC would like to say hello
to those of you in the W-NET Network, and inform you that we are now
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From: henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew J. Henken)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Question about the Petroff
Date: 3 Jan 1993 08:38:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu
Summary: 1 e4 e5  2 Nf3 Nf6  3 d4 ed  4 e5 Ne4  5 Bb4 c6  6 Qxd4 ... Why not
	  6 ... d5

I have a question for you sharper chess minds out there (which includes just
about the whole group :-).  I'm looking at a particular line in Petroff's
Defense:

1 e4 e5  2 Nf3 Nf6  3 d4 ed  4 e5 Ne4  5 Bb4 c6  6 Qxd4 ...

Now, the only moves for black considered at this point are:

6 ... Nc5
6 ... Qa5+

These moves seem to lead to an unsatisfactory position for black.  I was 
wondering what is wrong with the obvious 6 ... d5.

I can see a couple of obvious line from there, but nothing that leads
black into trouble.  The advantages of this move seem to me to be that
1) it allows black to move the d pawn when it often cannot in this variation
(e.g. continuing from this line 7 ed Nxd6) 2) if the d pawn is not taken
en passant, then black has a fairly strong central position and the possibility
of quick development (with the problem of white's pawn on e5 remaining, of
course, but you can't have everything :-).

But, clearly, this is not some sort of revolutionary insight on my part.  This
is a straightforward move consistent with the way that other situations arising
in the Petroff are dealt with (the difference being the absence of a supporting pawn on c7).  This has certainly been considered and rejected sufficiently
thoroughly/obviously that it doesn't even merit a note showing the disastrous
(or at least unsavory) continuation.  Any help that any of you could provide
in showing me where this move lets black in for trouble would be very much
appreciated (a proof that this is a brilliant move and a dubbing of this as
the "Henken variation" would be even better but again, you can't have every-
thing.)

Thanks for any help.


Matthew J. Henken
henken@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: prohaska@lapis.Eng.Sun.COM (J.R. Prohaska)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Low-content posters
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:46:03 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: lapis


By the way, I assume everyone is familiar with kill files.  Whenever
you detect a low content thread or poster, you can simply filter!  This
has improved my reading enjoyment of rec.chess.games immensely.  As I
read over a 2400 baud modem, I have no time for infallibly vacuous postings
and posters.  Of possible interest to others:

THRU 17299
/From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu/h:j
/From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu/h:j
From: merrheim@ens-lyon.fr (Xavier Merrheim)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: just a point of view
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:15:41 GMT
Reply-To: merrheim@ens-lyon.fr
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon

When Mr Mitterand decided to go to Sarajevo, he just said that it was a private visit.
B.Spassky was authorized by the french government to play against Fischer because
the match was not organized by the FIDE, so it was a private match. I dont think
that the UNO EMBARGO deal with tourism in yougoslavia. I think that everybody is 
free to go to Yougoslavia for a private trip and to do what he wants to do.

It is possible in France to buy the "Informator" Revue . Is it a violation of the embargo ? I think it is. Is it possible to buy this revue in the USA ?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@willis.cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: US Invitational (Ratings)
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:26:50 GMT

For ratings junkies - my computations based on Elliott Winslow's
summaries.  Corrections welcome. 

                     U.S. Invitational Championship
                           2-19 December 1992
Player                   Prev Perf Post Score
  1   GM Patrick G Wolff 2655 2780 2691 10.5
  2       GM Boris Gulko 2684 2751 2702 10.0
  3    IM Alex I Sherzer 2561 2759 2622 10.0
  4   GM Yasser Seirawan 2651 2700 2665  9.0
  5   GM Dmitry Gurevich 2610 2703 2638  9.0
  6 GM John P Fedorowicz 2638 2674 2648  8.5
  7  GM Alex Yermolinsky 2690 2644 2674  8.0
  8     GM Joel Benjamin 2675 2645 2664  8.0
  9     IM Ilya Gurevich 2605 2649 2619  8.0
 10 GM Roman Dzindzichas 2639 2621 2633  7.5
 11  GM Alexander Ivanov 2662 2593 2640  7.0
 12   GM Walter S Browne 2634 2594 2622  7.0
 13    IM Stuart Rachels 2610 2569 2598  6.5
 14       IM Igor Ivanov 2604 2489 2570  5.0
 15            Boris Men 2527 2495 2520  5.0
 16    IM Kamran Shirazi 2517 2282 2449  1.0

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:43:30 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec31.054900.16658@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.085202.704@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>
>>Gee, the Government holds a gun to your head, extracts money, and you consider
>>it a contribution???
>>
>>That's like saying you contributed to a mugger! ;-)
>>
> I see: it's not Fischer you care about. You are just guided by your sacred
> principle: "Whatever the Government does, must be wrong."

Another stellar comparison by the master...

> 
> I hope you go all the way. Prisons are not on Internet. Yet.
> 
> 	Sven

Well, maybe when God resign he'll give you the authority to just snuff out
people who point out the fallacies of your thoughts.



>
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (R.Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Mchess Pro
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:52
Organization: Not Very Ltd.

U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard Wachtel) writes:
> 
>    I don't have any version of MChess yet.  Would it be better from a
> chess standpoint to upgrade to a 486/33 with 12 MB RAM and also buy
> MChess Pro rather than simply buying the ChessMachine, whose strength
> is claimed to be the best available for the PC and independent of
> machine speed?  I would have guessed that the latter is more cost-effective
> unless one needs a faster machine for other purposes.

My friend is just testing MChessPro on a 486/50 against the Chessmachine
and he says that MChessPro is definitely stronger.  Especially in the
endgame the program seems to be improved and now very rustproof which
you can't say about many programs.

ralf
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