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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Israeli Censorship
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:24:58 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver


	American Library Association Criticizes Israeli Censorship

	Rachelle Marshall


"The American Library Association, meeting in San Francisco from June 29
to July 2, passed two resolutions critical of Israel.  Representatives
of the 50,000-member organization voted 3 to 1 for a resolution accusing
Israel of banning books and other publications from the occupied territories,
imprisoning and deporting Palestinian journalists, and closing West Bank
universities and libraries.

"A second resolution was adopted protesting Israel's deportation of a
Palestinian librarian.  The ALA statement also pointed out that Israel
'receives the largest amounts of U.S. aid per capita'.

"ALA members also heard a talk by Michal Schwartz, editor of the left-
wing Israeli magazine Challenge, who took part in a panel on intellectual
freedom and told the audience, 'You don't get accurate information about
what we are going through in the West Bank and Gaza'.  Schwartz was brought
to San Francisco by the Middle East Children's Alliance.

"Her appearance, and the passage of the two resolutions, brought sharp
protests from the Israeli consulate in San Francisco and the Anti-Defamation
League, both of which accused the ALA of repeatedly singling out Israel for
criticism.  But a spokesman for the librarians pointed out that the ALA has
cited Israel only once before, while several other countries have been
censured repeatedly - most notably the Soviet Union for its suppression of
Zionist literature.

"The Israeli consulate also attacked the panel at which Schwartz appeared,
calling it an attempt at 'Israel bashing'.  An Israeli consulate official
said Schwartz was 'anti-Israel'.  During the discussion period at the ALA
convention a representative of Geffen Publishers in Jerusalem called
Schwartz 'a convicted spy'.

"In fact, Schwartz has never been charged with spying.  The Israeli editor
and four collegues were arrested in early 1988 while publishing a news-
paper in Jerusalem thta was sympathetic to the intifada.  The five were
convicted of belonging to an illegal organization and served prison terms
ranging from 18 months to nearly two years.

"Amnesty International and other human rights groups adopted Schwartz and
her fellow journalists as prisoners of conscience.  Amnesty charged that
the five were 'imprisoned solely due to their political beliefs and non-
violent actions, through violation of their right to freedom of expression
and organization'."

End of Article

Anisa

	"Israeli law, regardless of how just or unjust it is -
	and this law is unjust and undemocratic - does not apply
	to Palestinians."
					Hanan Ashrawi

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: diaz@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Rafael Diaz)
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:32:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.055318.2438984@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.225505.18386@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Manu) writes:
>>	Next I'll here that Israel is to blame for the earthquake
>>	in Cairo.
>
>May be they are ocean testing one of their 220 nuke bombs that 
>they are preparing 10 for each arabic country.  Where else can they test?

	I thought Cairo-Egypt is along the Nile River 100-miles in-land.
	The closet sea is the medittareanian!!!!

	Now are you suggesting that an undersea nuclear blast will cause
	damage to a town NOT at the bank of that sea?

	Are you totally _____ ?(fill the blanks)
		
>The Afghani people were all jewish, now they are all muslims.
>Are you surprised?

	I'm very very surprised.
>jle


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From: bval@ilws61 (Valentine Bob)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Jack S Defends MLKing Slur (Was: ARF DEFENDS HIS HONOR)
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:11:28 GMT
Organization: Intel
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Jack said, regarding David Duke,  

> ...
>
> They attacked him like sharks at a feeding frenzy.  They
> could not mention his name without playing that scratchy old
> film of him, as an 18 year old student with a swastica,
> protesting the Vietnam war.
>
> ...
>
> I would guess I heard at least 25 time, today alone, people
> saying that Clinton was only a 24 year old kid when he went
> to Moscow and it is a big todo about nothing.
>
> Just why the hell is an 18 year old supposed to be more
> responsible than a 24 year old?   Don't bother guessing.
>
> The answer is of course, Israel again.

Mark replied,

:There's a HUGE difference between the above two. Bill Clinton (who is
:not my favorite person at all...) did two things 20-odd years ago that
:have been continually mentioned in the current election. First, he
:avoided the draft and protested against the vietnam war (I consider
:these two be two different aspects of the same thing), and second, he
:visited Moscow.
:
:Now - what's the difference between these and what David Duke did?
:
:[good stuff deleted]
:
:If you can't see the difference between those two, then you're truly
:blind.

Nope, Israel again.

Bob
From: woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Has Israel done anything about Iraq yet ???
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:45:03 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

During the Iraq/Kuwait Gulf conflict last year,  Israel took a lot of persuading
not to enter the war in retalliation for the Iraqi Scud attacks.  If I remember
right they said that they would do nothing at the time but WOULD do something
about it later.

Question is,  have they done anything yet ?   I'm surprised the Mossad haven't
sent a hit squad in to try and assassinate Saddam Hussein - maybe even killed
an innocent Norwegian waiter instead (like when they went chasing Ali Hassan
Salameh after the attack at the 1972 Olympics).

So, HAVE they done anything about Iraq yet ?




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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:42:02 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
#peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
##
##"Since the end of the Second World War, every major crisis in the 
##region has been directly or indirectly connected to the question of
##Palestine." -- Georgetown professor Hisham Sharabi.
##
#
#Do you have evidence to prove that what Mr. Sharabi says (in his
#quote) is not correct?  Can you support your evidence therein?

Yes. The Iran-Iraq war, the Gulf war, the civil war in Lebanon,
the massacre of 20,000 people in Hama by Assad, all bear no relation
to the "question of Palestine". 

-Danny Keren.



Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:52:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct11.015203.13774@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>
>#I believe Sandra Rayes posted these figures not too long ago.  It was
>#from the Washington Report, and dated July 1992:
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Isn't this the same violently anti-Israeli rag that Arf keeps quoting?
>If he says its reliable, I say its bullsh*t.

Danny, it doesn't matter if the information was *obtained* by the
Washington Report.  The fact is, that the source was completely
different.  I posted it at the end of the article - perhaps you
overlooked it:

Source:  Palestine Human Rights Information Center, Jerusalem/
	 Chicago.  Figures through April 30, 1992.

If you say it is, infact, b.s., I will give you the telephone number
of the Palestinian Human Rights Information Center in Chicago, and you
can them yourself to voice your opinions.

>Any estimate for Israeli deaths? 

That isn't the issue.  Don't try to change the topic.  We are discussing
Palestinian deaths in the intefadeh.

>#	EXPLOSIONS					   66

>What explosions? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I just don't
>know what this means.

My mistake.  It was supposed to be "Expulsions".  But I am sure
this is an innaccurate figure.  Perhaps more up-to-date figures
are available.

>#	HOUSE DEMOLITIONS/SEALINGS			2,154

>I won't rule out this number a-priory but it looks like an
>awful exaggeration. Can anyone come with a different source
>and/or estimate to the accuracy of this number?

The information from the Wash. Report was conveniently available,
but I will do a little more research from a different source.

Anisa

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Arab, non-Arabs, and criticism of Israel/Jews
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:05:20 GMT

I would like to hear an answer from everybody, but especially from
the Arab/Muslim readers, to the following question.

After all, Israel's problems and disagreements are with its 
neighbours and with the Palestinians. Israel hardly is a factor
in areas execpt for the middle-east. One would expect that the
most vocal and violent arguments in this newsgroups would be
between Jews/Israelis and Muslims/Arabs.

Yet, this is not the case. The most cruel, unfair, and antisemitic
posters come, in the very large part, from people who are
not Arabs nor Muslims, and who live in countries which have
nothing to do with the middle-east. 

Naturaly I don't advocate censorship of any kind. But I just wonder
what the reasons for this strange phenomena are. Perhaps there
is some natural affinity between Jews and Muslims, in spite
of all the difficulties and bloodshed. Or, perhaps, antisemitism
is alive and kicking in the west?

-Danny Keren.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Little Changes
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:42:18 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct12.154731.22971@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>
><stuff deleted>
>
>>"In the Gaza Strip, the Israeli army announced that it was removing three
>>soldiers from duty pending another investigation.  The soldiers are accused of
>>killing a four-year old child.  They had shot at the child's parents' car,
>>mistaking it for another which was supposed to be carrying 'wanted
>>Palestinians'.
>
>Aren't you forgetting a "little" detail.  The driver of the car had run an 
>Israeli roadblock.  I don't recall all the details it was some months ago.
>Did he try to run down the soldiers at the checkpoint?  The Father (driver) 
>said he got scared when he saw the checkpoint, so that was why he "ran it", or
>something along those lines.

I am not forgetting any details.  I posted this from an article that was
written by another author.  I didn't hear anything previously about the
circumstances which you cited above.  I don't know the underlining elements
which lead up to this situation.  However, the focus here is, which you seem
to be ignoring and/or forgetting while emphasizing this 'little detail', is
that an innocent four-year old was murdered.  There is no excuse or
justification for these heinous acts.  As simply as that.

>As your post typically conveniently "forget" little details as these I suspect
>the rest of your post(s) is equally inaccurate.

It is very typical that anyone who disagrees, criticizes, or challenges
these and thousands of other cases of political murder and violations
of civil and humanitarian rights by the brutal Israeli occupation, is
to be suspected of freudulent misconduct on this forum.
 
Anisa

		"Israel was almost entirely in the right.
		The Israeli-Arab conflict was as simple as
		a clash between good and evil as existed in
		our imperfect world."
					Alan Dershowitz
					Chutzpah
From: adam@clotho.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:44:16 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Oct11.053419.18210@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.015203.13774@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>>#I believe Sandra Rayes posted these figures not too long ago.  It was
>>#from the Washington Report, and dated July 1992:
>>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Isn't this the same violently anti-Israeli rag that Arf keeps quoting?

>The Washington Report is a respectable magazine, enjoys a broad readership

Nonsense,  its an anti-Israel rag.  Its the anti-Israel equivilent of
Near East Report, never anything that undermines its political views.

>and many experts contribute to it.  Many of these experts are well-recognized
>current and former diplomats, US Congressmen, and multi-government employees.
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whats this?  They work for both the US, and Saudi Arabia?  :)

>Because YOU happen not to agree with the opinion of WRMA's editors and
>contributors does NOT make it a rag.  

No, but the fact that its agenda is clearly spelled out means it is
not a news magazine, the fact that its articles are not refereed
prevent us from calling it a journal, so at best its a magazine of
opinion.  Nothing wrong with that, but if we could all try to use
better sources, there might be fewer flames.  Just a thought.  Not
that I think fewer flames are a good idea or anything... :)


>You guys quote from questionable pro-Israel sources all the time. At least
>allow us the right to quote our sources without hearing malicious UNPROVEN

Someone has posted a number of quotes from the editors showing their bias.



>Btw, I want to point out that WRMEA is reprinting monthly these
>statistics which are reported by the Palestine Human Rights 
>Information Center based in Jerusalem and Chicago.
>
>And if you still don't want to believe this organization, perhaps
>I can refer you to Amnesty International.

Has the PHRIC ever reported on anything other than violations of
Palestinian rights?  If not, why do they call themselves a human
rights org?  Why not call it the Palestinian rights org?  And also, do
they report on violations of human rights outside of Israel and
disputed territories?


Adam


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:08:05 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <4052@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>In article <1bdbh6INNieu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:


>Alan, do you really enjoy the misery of other people?

1.
Amazya ben-hayim is a member of Kibutz Yad Mordechay.
The kibutz eas based by Jews surviving the German death camps,
and named after MORDECHAY Anelewits the Waraw getto uprising
commander.
Amazya is a computers and mechanicks expert.
On this Sunday he was at a green house in a nearby farm - Ganey-Tal.
He repaired acomputerized irrigation system.
There was an Arab worker in that green-house. he considered killing a
Jew to be a positive action, so he hit Amazia's head with a pick-axe
a team of farmers of that farm headed by a nurse tried to save Amazya
but they failed. He is dead.

2.

   On this Sunday night 2 Arabs crossed the Jordan river ( that small
  river is not the misisipi ..)  not far to the north of Jerico, each
  of them carried a Koran , a long   knife  and a cocktail bottle.
  ) 4 years ago in that same place 4 Arabs through a cocktail-bottle
  in to a bus and turned Rachel Weiss and her 3 kids ( 6, 4 and 3
  monthes  to burned meat).
  Those 2 Arabs walked 150 meters on the Israeli soil before turning
  to dead bodies.

>Common, where is your sensitivity?
>Anisa

I am sure that Alan's sensitivity like mines is in the first
case, Anisa's  -  in the second.

>       "We don't live in Israel.  Not at all.  We live in
>       Palestinian territory.  It's Israeli occupied."
>                                       Hanan Ashrawi


There is nothing like "palestinian teritory" there was never ever
something like that, bmurderers like Hanan Ashrawi may lie too.

    Gideon Ehrlich      Land of Israel


Gideon







Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: adam@sparkle.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Subject: Re: Concessions
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:17:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.012203.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> bgdv706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:
>In article <bdm.717861102@cs.anu.edu.au>, bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay) writes:
(I missed this article somehow, so I'm following up to Noams,
adressing points that Brendan makes.)

>> bgdv706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>+>In article <1992Sep24.080215.2891@cs.anu.edu.au>, bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay) writes:

>+>> Does Israel recognize that the Palestinian people exist?  (Not talking
>+>> about a state.)  I don't remember any such recognition, but rather
>+>> signs of a deliberate failure to recognise them (such as the insistence

>+>	From The Camp David Accords, Sept. 17, 1978:
>+>	"Egypt, Israel, Jordan and the representatives of the _Palestinian
>+>	people_ should participate in negotiations on the resolution of the 

>> Ok, good example, but Palestinians also have made statements which
>> implicitly note the existence of Israel.  You would not regard those
>> statements as formal recognition of Israel (and I may well agree 
>> with you), and in the same way I would not expect Palestinians to
>> accept the above as a formal recognition of their rights as a people.

Actually, the above is a formal recognition, in that the langauge
appeared in a  treaty approved by the Keneset.  Can anyone post the
Hebrew text, or tell us what version(s) of the treaty are binding?
I'd assume that there exist a formal Hebrew and Arabic translation of
the Accords, but what was actually signed by Begin and Sadat?

The fact that the langauge was legally approved is different from a
recognition made in a speech, denied a few days later.

We've all seen what Arafat has to say about his "recognition' of
Israel.

Adam



Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
From: woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:29:51 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

>	They are not political prisoners.  They are murderers, thugs, and
>their supporters.  To those (very few) who are innocent, Israel can
>hardly afford to give them country club conditions to live in given
>the economic hardships the "palestinian?" war against the Jews has
>caused Israel.


ALWAYS people talk about PALESTINIAN and ARAB terrorists.  OK I don't believe 
in terrorising innocent civilians for political aims.  If anyone should be
targetted it should be governments - THEY are the ones who make the decisions.
Moses Bloggs in the street can't make decisions.

ANYWAY what I am really writing to say is that no one ever mentions how the
Jews went about securing their state.  Throwing grenades into any homes in
their path without checking if there were innocent men women and CHILDREN
inside.  'Israel' has a damned cheek to talk about TERRORISM!




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From: shaig@merlin.think.com (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Has Israel done anything about Iraq yet ???
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:06:55
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU's message of 16 Oct 92 06:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.210848.19621@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
|>
|> Has it occured to you that maybe the Mossad and CIA were guarding him, and
|> kept him alive all along. After all, he did exactly what was expected of him.

Actually, you are not far from the truth.  Truth is that the CIA
and Mossad have worked for years to get a cloned Saddam in place.
The clone has been carrying out part two of the Protocols of Zion
and can be recognized by his tendencey to mutter "oy vey" in times
of stress.  Rumor has it that the real Saddam is being held in a
Federal penitentiary, wearing an iron mask.

I know the above is true, I read it in the Star.
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Answer to Anwar
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:18:42 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <4066@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <Bw2I2w.Fz5.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>Responses to what?  To foreign aid questions?  I've posted plenty.
>>To questions regarding women's rights?  I refer you to my most
>>recent response to you.  Now we're waiting for you to respond 
>
>I didn't see the 'foreign aid questions'.  And you only stated in
>your previous posting about so-called 'women's rights' in Kuwait
>that you were proud of the role that Kuwaiti women had in resisting
>Saddam Hussein's occupation.  The original questions in terms of
>voting and equal rights for women have *never* been addressed, and
>futhermore, in response to my posting about the elections in Kuwait,

Actually, I said I was  proud of the Kuwaiti women who demonstrated
for their enfranchisement.  I am also proud of the fact that some
of the winning opposition candidates went as far as to make women's
voting suffrage an election.   These are rights that will be directly
adressed by the new assembly.

>you countered with the fact that the al-Sabah regime recently
>dissolved its cabinet to form a new one.  That still does not comply
>with democratic processes, nor does the issue of the elitis status
>of certain males in Kuwait whom elect it.

This is another issue that will probably be addressed, although
it appears to me that the hotter issue is women's suffrage.  Time
will tell.

>  
>Anisa


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