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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:58:40 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
:     So you can scroll one screen down to reveal part of the one below
:     it?  And applications can use the OS to create split screens? Is
:     that what you're talking about, or are you just setting yourself
:     up for yet another "oh, I misread"?
:

John, do you have to be such an asshole all the time?  Why are you taking
statements out of context?  I admitted my mistake, and got flamed for it.
Here's John, the man who never makes mistakes.

:
:     What we have is a concept that fits the hardware like a glove,
:     which provides a variety of benefits. One of which happens to be
:     this "extending real-estate" thing. The concept does not live or
:     die based on the real-estate benefit, so even now when huge
:     Workbench screens can be created, we still have screens.
:

Nevertheless, we were talking about extending real-estate.  The subject
of Windows multiscreen implementations came up.  Did I ever say anything
about them being *better* than Amiga screens?  Why did you have to blow
up in my face?

:
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From: Jim-Guy@cup.portal.com (James Lawrence Blastic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 00:49:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec8.043714.5445@usl.edu> <ByxF7F.1uy@ais.org>
  <ByyIs7.BBE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>> Oh great another WordPerfect lover... we have a little over 100 IBM's
>>in my company and only 1 person will use WordPerfect and thats because
>>she dosent know anything else.  You couldnt force anyone else to use it.
>>Sorry, but just because it dosent have WordPerfect dosent make or
>>break a computer.
>
>Just because it's not good doesn't mean it's not popular.  WordPerfect
>sells more then DOS.
>
My! This speaks highly of the intellect of the 'populous' --sigh!
No wonder so many people think IBM (and I mean IBM not MS) invented 
Windows (GUIs) and that Multimedia means 15FPS Windows applications.
They might even be led to believe that the Amiga is just a toy because
of it's awesome sound and graphics.  One wonders why Sound Blasters, VGA cards 
and monitors sell at all?  I remember when a computer came out that had
a color monitor as standard, stereo sound and speach synthesis built in, 
a multitasking  operating system, and 256K of RAM (expandable to 512K internally)
 yet could still multitask applications with only 256K.  The savvy 'populous' said:
"This must be a new toy game machine out to replace the fading Atari."
"It certainly has no use in the REAL computing world."  "Who needs to run more
than one thing at a time?"  "Who needs color?"  "Who needs sound?"  "Who needs 
speech synthesis?" "Who needs animation, 3D graphics, etc.?"

Now what do I hear?  Multimedia never existed before.  Multimedia is coming
in the future from IBM (or MS).  Multimedia is here! We smart folks at IBM (or
MS) were finally able to do it!  Or we smart folks at MicroSoft hired a bunch of 
X-Amiga developers at higher salary so they could "help us port Amiga-like stuff to
the IBM clone family, but don't tell anyone where it came from...we invented it."

-I know- tis isn't advocasy..but I couldn't resist.  WP is a dog.. porting it to
the amiga is like porting MS-DOS to the Amiga.  Really.. we must avoid these
regressive tendencies and support our Amiga developers so they don't get stolen
by MS, but continue to bring newer, better and more powerful applications to 
the Amiga, a computer worth too much to be used just a fancy electric
typewriter.

Having been in the clone business and the consulting business I realize that
most computers installed in businesses are used just for running Word Perfect.
WHAT A WASTE!

JimGuy
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:24:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.150241.1670@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
> In article <C01sCG.KG7@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >Me? No, my warrantees ran out long since, and I only opened my 1000 about 6
> >months ago when a small child stuck an unmentionable object in the disk drive.
> >But suing them in small claims court for the repair cost of stuff that should
> >be covered would be quite reasonable.

> >Speaking of 1000s, anyone know where I can get a keyboard or a hack to put
> >another keyboard on? The same small child trashed out the "T" key.

>   Yep, I suppose it's Commodore's fault for putting the on/off power button
>   on the A3000 in the front where small child can toggle easily, [more
    deleted]

It would *REALLY* help if you started this thread from the beginning. The
topic is Commodore dropping warranty coverage if you open the machine, when
the manual goes into some detail on how you do that. Me, I have as little to
do with hardware as possible.

MAN, I HATE THE PC-BUS (ravings about the difficulty of configuring BSD
device drivers for the idiot IBM-PC bus mercifully deleted before sending)
-- 
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 27 Dec 1992 16:02:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <jbickers.0m4q@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
>
>> :     PKZIP, the program that has been held up for a long period because
>> :     of hardware bugs in '486 machines? GOOD example.
>
>> No, the one that's been out for a while, Version 1.1.  And yes, it is a
>> good example.
>
>    Does 1.1 contain '486 specific code, eh? I know 2.0 is supposed
>    to, but 1.1 is so old that I thought it only knew up to the 386.

If I remember correctly (it's been a while since I've followed
comp.compression), the problems with PKZIP 2.0 only occurs in certain
486 motherboards.  It's got something to do with DMA and external
cache coherency, but it isn't a problem with the 486 chip.

Paul



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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:41:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.210438.6678@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>> In article <1992Dec29.214112.20498@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>>    Yes, CignusEd Pro, SAS C, and Real 3-D are really good examples of 
>> productivity software.  All these go hand-in-hand with WordPerfect,
>> Adobe Illustrator, and MS Works.  NOT!
>
>Did I understand correctly, that you mean that a word processor for PC
>is a heck of a lot better program than a programming language for Amiga?

   No.  I am countering your lumping of development tools like text editors
and programming languages with productivity software.  You can't compare them
at all.

>
>> > And of course we all know how
>> >one definately can not hook all those CD-ROMs available via SCSI.
>> 
>>    Uh huh, and CD-ROM drives are really good examples of software, too.  NOT!
>
>And where did you say software?

   I stated that there is no Amiga CD-ROM or (good) productivity software 
available for the Amiga.  Perhaps my qualifying productivity software with the
word "good" confused people.  I did this because the Amiga does have some
productivity software available, but no really good productivity software
available.  Perhaps if I had stated "there is no CD-ROM or productivity 
software available for the Amiga", leaving out the word "good", it would 
have made more sense.  But then people would have countered by naming apps
like Final Copy which are productivity apps, but not very good productivity
apps.

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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bus Standards
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:31:37 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>You missed the point. If there is a huge market for books, consulting
>and training, is it likely that this will be supplanted by multimedia?
>Try telling a secretary to use a CD-ROM to learn WP. It would be cheaper
>to have the person go through a training course.

How cheaper?  Multimedia Word is, I think only marginally more
expensive then regular Word.  And Multimedia word+bookshelf is cheaper
then Word + Bookshelf (again, I think...I'm not sure)   A training
course can be up to $30.00 an hour!  Plus it involves LEAVING the desk
unattended.  A CD-ROM course can be done while she still answers the
phone.


Still more exciting is Just In Time learning With JITL, when the
secreatry wants to learn to do a mail merge, she hits the help, mail
merge button and a movie comes on the screen explaining it to her
through examples.

>>Limited corporate value is what I mean.  It appeals to that small part
>>of industry that creates videos and demos.
>
>This is the largest proportion of the industry, not a small part.

The largest proportion of *WHAT*industry.  Surely you don't believe
that the largest part of our GNP depnds on what I will call "static"
multimedia?

>WordPerfect needs to fix the code, not add another level of abstraction.
>Why do you think the DOS version outsells all WYSIWYG word processing
>packages combined? 

The same reason DOS sells more then all other OSes....because it is the
standard, not because it is good.

>Television is testament to the fact that multimedia-based CAI is a
>short-term fad. You can't simply throw technology at a problem and
>expect it to resolve itself. Before CAI of any sort becomes effective,
>fundamental changes have to be made to the educational paradigm.
>It's a logistical nightmare.

Television isn't interactive.  If what is on the screen is boring, and
the delivery mechanism is boring, you won't learn.  Conversely, if the
topic is dull (i.e. platipuses) but the medium is interesting (games
and puzzles) then people learn.

>In all its promotion and development, Phillips has sold less CD-I
>units than CDTVs. The consumer market hasn't got a clue where interactive
>CD technology fits in with game consoles, computers and stereo
>equipment. I've yet to see a CD-I unit anywhere in Canada. Photo CD
>compatibility may change this.

It takes time, but it will happen.  When people realize they can buy a
multimedia viewer, and encyclopedia for less then the cost of a set of
encyclopedias, they will move.

These things have to gather momentum.  Remeber when the console market
was all but dead before Nintendo came along?  The same will happen with
Multimedia viewers.  I suspect that Tandy could be the catalyst.  They
have the marketing savvy, and the distributor network set up.

All of the consoles are adding CD-ROM anyways...as multimedia viewers
drop in price, and consoles add CD-ROM, the distiction will blur.
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Happy New Year ( Mark Barrett included)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 15:50:57 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec31.111510.20462@philips.oz.au> gduncan@philips.oz.au (Gary Duncan) writes:
>Keep it up in '93 :)  Please keep lurking, Marc...

Agreed.  Marc, feel free to pass around, like a promiscuous
prostitute, that highly-communicable disease you dare to refer to as
your opinion.  Lay your thick-headedness across the UseNet, yea, even
all of the known networks in the world!  Spread your ravenous,
mindless lies across our terminals, make our poor, repressed Amigas
cry out from the gutters you place them in!  Let your voice shine
across the world as a pale, flickering light of hopelessness,
shrouding those who see it in a pall of dread and unrequited chipsets.
Extinguish our hopes.  Be our saviour, our excorcist, our undertaker
as we pass into the world of mindlessness, trendy 3-d games, and intel
microprocessors.  Instill us with fears from the blackest of hearts,
the empiest of heads, verily, your own!  Drown us in a sea of them,
and as our lungs fill with the brackish hellspawned vitrol, laugh as
we die a slow, painful death, ending our existence made useless and
pointless by our purchases of Amiga systems.

Have a miserable new year, everyone.  Personally, I'm going to hang
myself, in celebration of Marc Barrett.  I suggest we all do the same,
to honor the one man who has kept us all screaming at the top of our
lungs at the monitors... "WHY ARE YOU SUCH AN IDIOT???!!!"

Alas, my time grows short.

Greg, soon to be martyr...

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:46:32 GMT
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Galacticomm's Demo System (demosys@gcomm.com) wrote:
:
: MJ> Suppose I am not interested in real-time embedded systems.  Let's say I
: MJ> need an OS which supports the most varying hardware, can handle the
: MJ> largest, most feature-packed commercial applications, and has an
: MJ> easy-to-use GUI.  Does your real-time embedded OS qualify as a good
: MJ> OS in my case?  No, it doesn't, but Windows certainly does.
:
: And right here we have a biased towards "the most varying hardware"
: which is true due to the upteem billion different ways that each individual
: company in the PC market believe SHOULD be the standard.
:

No.  I'm not talking about standards.  I'm talking about different hardware
being available because people have different needs.  For example, some people
want inexpensive SVGA, while others may want mid-range coprocessed video,
while yet others want high-end 24-bit video.  Take a look at what settling
on a single "standard" has done to the Amiga.

:
: "Can handle the largest, most feature-packed commercial applications..."
: which suggests that the programs are written before the OS...  Since when?
:

Is this a serious comment, or are you just playing dumb?

:
: Christopher L. Kotacka                            Working for, but
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: UChess.lha Avail via ftp
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:24:22 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article ??? barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>So let's look 5 moves ahead.  To store all the possible
>> chessboard configurations would require 25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*
>> 25*32 bits or 200 billion megabytes.

In article <harry.03qb@elfuerte.fipnet.fi> harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen) writes:
>Another way of saving memory is only store the best moves in each level.
>If every level has 25 moves then one level takes only 100 bytes of memory.
>So thinking 5 moves ahead takes only 2*5*100 bytes or 1000 bytes.

	But there is no simple way to decide which are the 25 "best" moves.
Suppose you search 1 level deep and pick the 25 moves that look best.  Maybe
when you search 2 levels deep, some of these 25 opening moves now look bad.
Maybe at 3 levels deep, some look good again!

	There is a tradeoff between how many moves you save, and how well
your chess program plays.

	There are definitely some ways to save memory, but for chess,
the more memory the better. :-)

                                                        Dan

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From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:50:21 GMT
Organization: camaro

>In <C01HAx.LGq@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>>   I can think of one right off the bat.  Commodore's problem is that the bulk
>>of their sales are to these electronically-ignorant individuals who use their
>>computers as home computers.  Even the bulk of A3000 and A4000 sales are to
>>people who use them as home computers.  I would even bet that the majority of
>>Commodore's Amiga UNIX systems went to individuals who used them as home
>>computers.
 
  Good point...acutally, just have CBM changed their name to something else, 
change the Amiga's name to something else, and put it in a METAL case (or at 
least a more ugly, business like case), and it would sell to business's like 
hot cakes.
 


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From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 11:26:27 GMT

>My! This speaks highly of the intellect of the 'populous' --sigh!
>No wonder so many people think IBM (and I mean IBM not MS) invented 
>Windows (GUIs) and that Multimedia means 15FPS Windows applications.

Maybe its that IBM and MicroSoft Advertive better. Look at VHS & BETA its
not quality that matters.

>WP is a dog.. porting it to the amiga is like porting MS-DOS to the Amiga.  

Word Perfect is a MUCH MUCH more powerful word processor than anything found
on the Amiga. Unfortunate but true.. 

>we must avoid these regressive tendencies and support our Amiga developers 
>so they don't get stolen by MS, but continue to bring newer, better and 
>more powerful applications to the Amiga, a computer worth too much to be 
>used just a fancy electric typewriter.

Ok for starters I'd like to see a certain dealer put the most recent copies
of all his programs on their Demo Machines. I would like to see the Amiga as
more than a Power Supply for a NewTek Video Toaster.
 
Does 'Art Expression' compare with Freelance on a PC? Is Hot Links worth buying?
What are the new features of ProWrite 3.3?


>Having been in the clone business and the consulting business I realize that
>most computers installed in businesses are used just for running Word Perfect.
>WHAT A WASTE!

You have never seen Spreadsheets, Database programs or Presentation Graphics
programs such as PowerPOINT. Where have you been???


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Well, I found...
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:30:18 GMT

Well, I found how to get the A1000 into 640X400 mode, rebooted,
and immediately went to preferences to turn it off. 

How can you guys stand that flicker?  Please don't tell me you 'get used to
it'.  I guess you get those add-ons, 'flicker-correctors'.

Hmm.
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