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From: vallille@emr1.emr.ca (Roy Vallillee)
Subject: Re: Advice sought on Used Clubs
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:17:03 GMT

Marc Lavergne (lavergne@bnr.ca) wrote:

: I ran into a set of used clubs this weekend that I'm thinking
: of purchasing: Tommy Armour 845S irons (2 thru Sand-wedge).
: These were originally bought brand new in 1991. They are
: in very good shape.

: The dealer is asking about $400 + 15% tax = $460 (NOTE: this
: is a shop in Ottawa, Canada, so prices quoted are in Canadian dollars).

: A brand new set (2 - SW) would cost:
:  
:      in Canada - $569 (3-pw) + $90 (2 iron) + $90 (sw) = $749 + 15% tax = $861 Cdn

:      in U.S.   - $369 (3-pw) + $80 (2 iron) + $80 (sw) = $529 * 1.22 = $645 Cdn

: Question: Are quality used clubs usually worth it? 

:           I'll probably be in Floriday (Naples & Ft. Lauderdale) in early
:           February. Can I count on finding a used set of 845S clubs (LH)
:           at a good price. If so, can you tell me where would be the best
:           place to shop for good used (and new) clubs (in Naples or Lauderdale).
I probably can't help you with places in Florida but I can tell you
that you can't go wrong with top of the line clubs.  Actually, I bought
845's two seasons ago and wouldn't change them for anything.  they did
help the handicap (from 10 to 6) but what the big difference really was
the consistency of my ball striking improved.  I can also now hit 2,3 and 
4 irons decently.  If they are in good shape the price is good and 
especially LH must be pretty rare.  I say if you like them-buy them.  

One thing which may be important is the lie.  color coded on the shaft. Hope 
this helps your decision-  have fun in Florida I am going in March

ROY:            
From: uram@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Mark Uram)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:23:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Reducing swingweight in driver
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

>/ hpcupt1:rec.sport.golf / fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) / 10:12 am  Jan 18, 1993 /
>What are the ways to reduce the swingweight in a driver ?
>
>
>I found out that my driver is D4. No wonder it feels "slow" (ie. heavy) when
>I play with it. It is also graphite-shafted at 44".
-


Well first off D4 isn't that heavy, since the average swingweight(for men) is 
about D0........

Here are the three ways I know of to REDUCE swingweight:

1) make the club shorter by cutting the shaft down at the grip end of the club.
 
2) back weight the club club by adding weight to the grip end of the club.  You
can do this by adding lead tape to the grip end of the club.

3) Reduce the weight of the club head, if possible.  


I would recommend #1, since your driver is already 1" over-length.

....Mark

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From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: help - high shots
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:35:23 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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In article <1993Jan20.203836.26454@ncsu.edu> ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Kelvin S. Bryant) writes:
>I hate to rehash this question again (it was discussed a few
>months ago), but I hit excessively high shots.  I can't hit
>a 3-iron beyond 170 yds (but it flies a mile high and almost
>stops on a dime).  
>p.s.  I can't believe that any individual can hit a 9-iron 150 yards!

Kelvin:
The only way to hit the ball that high is to   pick it off the ground.
If you are really hitting the ball first, you just cannot do that.
What you need to practice is hitting  down into the ball, and making
big divots in front of where the ball is.   A good way to do this is
to use a Tee or a scoring pencil.  Place two of them, one on each
side of the ball, right in the middle of the ball.  You will find
that your divots are behind these pencils.  

Trust me, as one who takes mammoth divots, one can hit a 150 yard
9 iron, even at age 48.  Of course,  one must swing hard to do it,
which for me means a rug instead of a divot.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper


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From: ctanski@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Tanski)
Subject: Possible gateway to GOLF-L
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 03:00:34 GMT


I am considering gatewaying my listserv list, GOLF-L, to this list Usenet
group. If there are any objections to this then please send them to
ctanski@onondaga.bitnet. Thanks.

Chris TanskiA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Sunken Sand shot
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:31:49 GMT

If it is too difficult (too deep) and there is a serious sized 
bunker lip you might want to take an unplayable lie and 
drop the shot farther back in the trap. Cost : 1 stroke.

Mike N.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: NEW PLAYER
Reply-To: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:03:55 GMT

	Hello everyone, I'm a very novice player in this wonderful world
of golf.  In a 18 holer, I can average about 120 (GRIN), and I would like
to know if anyone would recommend some steps that I can do to improve (well
jumpstart) my play to something like an 80.  My basic problems are hitting
the ball.  In the earlier holes, I would hit a ball decently (I do not have
very much power (GRIN)) and especially straight.  But later on, I would usually
hit it to the left (what do you call it?  Hook?).  Also I need some putting
practice.  I could usually do well in Minature Golf but lead me to a hilly
green and I would usually miss it.  Any recommendation on aiming the ball
and how I should gauge the strength of my putt needed to at least stay near
the green.  I think I do pretty well approaching the green if I am on the
fairway, but if I'm in the rough, how do I gauge where to hit the ball to
approach the green well?
	From my memory, most of the score comes from long shots and putting.
I have a limit finance, but I will be taking a golf class at college next
quarter (we are under the quarter system, 10 weeks).  Any tips and suggestion
would be nice.
	Oh, anyone recommend any mode of transporting my golf clubs?  I can
send it by UPS, but would it be better to take it on the plane with me to 
college?

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From: younger@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Flying with your clubs
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:38:54 GMT

> 
> I've traveled with a soft vinyl cover and have found them to be more
> then adequate on airplanes.  The trick is to put your clubs in your bag
> upside down...that is with the heads down and the grips exposed.  I then
> wrap the grips with a bath towel and there you have it.  The golf bag
> will protect your clubs in almost all ways...hopefully you're not
> an Iraqi pilot flying through the no fly zone to play some where.  Other
> wise I think your clubs will be fine.
> 
> -Jerry

  It's my experience that a soft vinyl cover is quite sufficient.  The
 recommendation to store your clubs upside down is a good one.
 Frankly, my clubs are at a greater risk of damage on the golf course
 than on an airplane....

                                      jwy 
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From: dkl@earth.analog.com (David K. Lannigan)
Subject: Ryder Cup Tickets
Organization: Analog Devices Inc, Norwood MA, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:11:37 GMT



Anyone have any info on where I can get Ryder Cup tickets?  
Availability, price etc?  US or UK info is appreciated
as I am in the US and my brother-in-law in in the UK.

Thanks,
Dave

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From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Golf range
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:30:41 GMT



      I'm new to golf and this newsgroup. I've just been playing (if
    you can call it that) for a year. Anyway, I got a revelation one
    day to change my swing and voila it worked! No more 15 yd. hits
    with the five iron etc. What I would like to know is does the ball
    travel farther from the grass than off the carpet at a range? Does
    it travel significantly farther in the summer than the winter? It
    seems to me that even with my new found consistency and comfort of
    swing that the ball isn't travelling as well as it would off the
    grass in the summer. With my old swing I couldn't buy a divot but
    now I'm ripping the back yard up. :-) Is the swing necessarily
    different off the carpet because it doesn't give much?

      Well, excuse my ignorance but I'm very excited about my new
    addiction. Any help would be appreciated.


				     Carlyle
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff)
Subject: Re: Re; High Shots
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:26:34 GMT

I also hit high shots with lots of backspin.  This
is typical of the mid-hi handicapper swing that is
inside-out.  Not a good swing as it leads to pushes,
slices and various other mis-hits.  Correctting the
swing should be your primary purpose.  Well-hit balls
may still travel high, but your distance will
dramatically increase.

Not to say that high shots, shots with good backspin
and shots that go left-to-right are bad hits, they're
just minor adjustments to a good swing that are used
when required.

Enjoy,

Ed

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From: cmhaar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Chris Haar)
Subject: Re: putting technique - hands pressed forward?
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:16:13 GMT

In article <1k4cmu$qbd@agate.berkeley.edu>,
templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin) wrote:

>My question is,
> do most of you better golfers out there actually press your hands
> slightly forward at address?

Better than what?  In any case, I do not press my hands, and putting is the
only aspect of my game with which I am reasonably happy.

> Since putting has always been my strong
> suit, am I making a mistake by trying to fix something that's not
> necessarily broken?

You know what they say...:-)

>Finally, should I stick with it and work out
> the bugs or fall back to my old stroke in which I had my hands
> perpendicular or slightly back of the ball?

Who was it that said "Putting is a state of mind"?

The way I understand (and experience) it, whenever you consciously change
any aspect of your game, it takes some time to adjust to/practice the new
method.  It took me half a season to get the hang of gripping my club
differently (I've heard of people losing it for the whole summer).  On the
other hand, when I switched to a ten-finger grip for putting, I adjusted in
a couple of rounds.

In the end, I ask myself: Will it really make me a better golfer, i.e., is
it worth the pain?

Good luck.

cmh
From: alan@hicomb.hi.com (Alan Greenspan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: handicapping software ...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:37:09 GMT
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: squid.hi.com

I got quite a few requests for the handicapping program.  I just wanted
to make sure that everyone who requested a copy actually got one.  Also,
I tried to update everyone who didn't get the version which implements the new
USGA ESC formula.  If you still have version 1.1 of hcp/adjust.c (see the
first line in the file), then you should contact me and I'll update you.
Do likewise, if you requested the program but didn't receive it at all.

For those who decide to use the program, it might be nice to post their blank
scorecards to this group, especially for courses in resort areas.  I personally
like to look at scorecards even though I may never play the courses.  And if
I do play the course, it saves alot of time not having to key in the card.

Hope you all enjoy the program.
-- 
Alan Greenspan			alan@hicomb.hi.com
Hitachi Computer Products
From: alan@hicomb.hi.com (Alan Greenspan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Myrtle Beach suggestions?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:38:59 GMT
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: squid.hi.com

I'm looking for suggested courses to play in Myrtle Beach.  I'm going
with my Dad who's 77, so we're not too interested in killer layouts.  I'm
more interested in playable courses with nice surroundings and in good
condition.  I've already gotten some suggestions for:

	Wild Wing Hummingbird
	Long Bay Parkland
	Heather Glen
	Blackmor

Thanks in advance,
Alan

-- 
Alan Greenspan			alan@hicomb.hi.com
Hitachi Computer Products
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf in Clearwater Florida
From: bvidic@dqc.dofasco.ca (Bob Vidic)
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:25:16 
Organization: Dofasco Inc.

I'm posting this for a friend who will be vacationing in the Clearwater
St. Pete's area around the beginning of April.  Can anyone give suggestions
on good courses to play, as well as prices and possible course descriptions.
Actually, any info would be greatly appreciated.  He's a 10 
handicapper.   Please post your replies instead of e-mailing.	

Thanks in advance!

A Cold Canadian looking to warm up...... 	 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: tfalk@decoy.uucp (25442-falk)
Subject: Golfsmith Kevlar Driver - they admit problems
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:10:10 GMT

I didn't see the message I posted the other day show up, so maybe it didn;t
make it through.  Anyway, here it is sortof again...

I called Golfsmith last night because I noticed what appear to be round
circular cracks in the face of the Kevlar Driver I built in August.

While they did say you have to hit it pretty hard ( and I've been known to
hit the ball a little harder than most people), the customer service person
I spoke with stated that they had received a bad batch of heads from the
manufacturor and to send it back.  If they agree it's defective, they will
replace it.

If you or anyone you know has the head and notices cracks in the face, give
them a call because it appears they will replace the head.

Hope this helps someone else,...

Ted

The first rule of diving:    Take only pictures, leave only bubbles.

Ted Falk, aka "Land Shark"   (candygram.....),    Bellcore, Piscataway NJ.
From: milos@ra.camb.inmet.com (Bob Milosavljevic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: putting and vision
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:17:53 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <2936730613.11.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>
>And putt lots of absolutely straight putts.  If you can't make 9 of 10 
>ten footers (or better) in a row, on a putt that you know is absolutely 
>straight, your stroke needs work.  See above ---COREY PAVIN.
>
>-jim
>

Unless you're putting on a pool table, this is an unreasonable expectation.
Foot prints, spike marks, ball marks, imperfections/disease in the grass,
and even the time of day are among the many factors that can make an absolutely straight
10-foot putt unsinkable. Even for the top pros, a 90% success rate from 10 feet
is extraordinary, if not impossible, and there are numbers that back this up.


-- 
Bob Milosavljevic
Intermetrics Microsystems Software, Inc.       milos@inmet.com
733 Concord Ave.                               ...uunet!inmet!milos
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: se03@titus.nextlab.cs.qub.ac.uk (Keith Armstrong)
Subject: What's gone wrong?
Keywords: What's gone wrong?
Organization: University of Oulu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:29:43 GMT

Last summe, I played a round of golf at one of the best courses in  
Northern Irelands best golf courses - Malone Golf Club in 80 shots - +8.

This is the course where Billy Casper played recently in the European  
Seniors Tour and shot a 75, so an 80 is pretty good.  Since then however  
(the summer) I have steadily gotten worse - shooting a 99 last week.

What I can't understand is why!!  I seem to have forgotten my swing  
totally.  Can anyone give me any idaes why I am doing the following :-

	I am hitting exactly the same shot every time, so there can't be  
anything wrong with my swing, or can there?  With short iron shots (PW,  
9I, 8I) I am shanking all my shots, but I don't do this with my other  
clubs.

	I seem to be taking a very nice practice swing, but my striking  
swing is totally different.   

	No matter where I place the ball in my stance, I take too much  
divot my hitting away behind the ball.

Any help would be much appreciated.


	All the best - Keith.

				PS Buffalo 26 - 17 Dallas. 
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From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com)
Subject: Re: Ping Zing Question
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:49:36 GMT
Organization: TCP/IP Development

Couple of things to remember about clones vs top-line equipment
1. Custom fitting ??
2. Quality of the shafts, don't underestimate the importance of the good shaft
   and its stiffness, kick point, etc
3. Resale, 5 years from now, will the clone name be recognized as a quality
   club?  I'm sure PING and 845's will be.
4. How long to you plan to keep them, 5 years, maybe play 50 times a year,
   your cost/round for $750 clubs will be just $3/round, maybe worth it in
   the long run.
I've never been disappointed when I've bought top quality...
There is more to think about than just having a cavity back clubhead.
-- 
Tom Evans  TCP/IP Development
TOMEVANS@RALVMM.VNET.IBM.COM; (919) 254-4097
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Graphite Shaft Prices
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:00:04 -0600

I've assembled several graphite shafted clubs and I usually stick to
the  mid  to  low  price  range  of the graphite shafts. You can get
$12.50 cheapies like Golfsmith's "Carbon Stick" for  irons  all  the
way  up  $150  shafts  made  by various companies  for  professional
golfers.  There  is  a inverse relationship between torque and price
(your 2.0 degree torque graphite shafts for  woods  are  $$$$).  The
cheapies tend toward the torque of around 5.0 degrees. There is also
some price relationship to how light the shaft is.


Usually,  higher torque can help with getting the ball airborne (for
slower swinging players) whereas the pros need minimal torque  on  a
fast swing to avoid an open or shut clubface at impact.


Many tour players (so claimed in Dynacraft literature on a report on
a  recent  golf shaft manufacturers meeting) are switching back from
Stiff  to  Regular  flex  on  their  graphite  shafts  (due  to  the
too stiff feel). Flex and torque are NOT the same but, if pros  want
to go back to more whippy shafts.....


>>>Given  all  this,  can  anyone  tell me if graphite shafts priced
above $25 apiece ACTUALLY HELP a person's game (handicap  of  10  to
25).    By  this,  I  mean  helping  by  actual  physics....not  the
confidence that comes from hitting a club with a $150 shaft on it.


>>>What about durability of the shaft itself vs.  price?  I've never
seen even a cheapy graphite shaft snap....


ARE $150 graphite shafts WORTH IT? Can't see how.....


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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: help - high shots
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:54:10 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-21-93 13:50

K(> From: ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Kelvin S. Bryant)
K(> Subject: help - high shots
K(> 
K(> I hate to rehash this question again (it was discussed a few
K(> months ago), but I hit excessively high shots.  I can't hit
K(> a 3-iron beyond 170 yds (but it flies a mile high and almost
K(> stops on a dime).  When it is windy or when I need more distance
K(> I am cooked.  I'm still a high handicapper and try to stay away
K(> from woods.  I play the ball off the inside heel of my left foot.
K(> I've played around with moving it futher back in my stance but 
K(> that does not seem to help.  How high should a 3-iron send the
K(> ball?  I send it no less than 50 or 60 feet.

I had a similar problem once upon a time. My left wrist would be 
pronated when I contacted the ball. That along with not turning thru 
the shot completely would cause me to flip my hands thru the shot. 
The result was a weak high shot. Your left wrist should be flat or 
slightly bowed out when you make contact with the ball.

I hope this helps.
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From: mkain@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Mike Kain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach suggestions?
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:06:55 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin Engineering Offices


Well, I go down there almost every year, and I found that some of the courses
right along Rte 17 in N. Myrtle Beach probably would be a good start.
The one that jumps to mind would be Beachwood.  Nice layout, and not too
long.  Oyster Bay is also a nice course, a little on the short side, and
my favorite course (my putt for 80 lipped out on 18, not bad for a 14-16
handicapper).  Heather Glen is also a great course.  Pearl is also nice, but
for your father I would probably go to the East Course (The West has two
600 yard par fives on the back).  Sea Trail and one other (I can't think
of the name of it, but it's in Cherry Grove, right on Rt 17) are also nice,
but not punishing.
-- 

 Mike Kain                              | Unisys Corporation            
 mkain@asns.tredydev.unisys.com         | Tredyffrin, PA Engineering Offices
From: gtarrant@metz.une.edu.au (GREGORY TARRANT)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: putting and vision
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:10:43 GMT


     I'm a one eyed golfer and I play off a handicap of 16, I have no trouble
reading the line of putts. All though I'm not the greatest putter I have found 
that two eyes didn't help much as I was not a great putter before I lost my
eye. (left eye right handed).
I  lost my eye at age 16 (handicap 17 ) I'm now 27 (handicap 16). Theres
been no great improve ment to my game since I lost my eye due to insufficent
practice not missed putts so my conclusion is that no, binocular vision 
has no great benifits in putting.
 Theres no real sport which 2 dimensional vision has been a handicap. I still
play tennis, squash, cricket, pool etc and yes I can still catch a ball.

                            Good golfing
                            gtarrant@metz.une.edu