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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: 18 AUG 92 09:44:16    

In article <1992Aug18.123432.9003@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...

>Late last week a conference call was set up between Wolf, Buckley, and
>Buckley's agent.  The call ended, after a brief discussion, with
>Buckley exclaiming "Pay me or Trade me", then hanging up on Wolf.
>It looks like it could be awhile before he's in a Packer uniform.

Let him sit.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Head Coaches
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:25:58 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <MeWkPlm00WDKA8ro8I@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>oooh, test time...
>
>Indianapolis Colts:		Marchibroda
>New England Patriots:	uhmm...Hugh something or I other I think

Dick Mac(Fearless)Pherson

>Pittsburgh Steelers:		Cowher
>Seattle Seahawks:		Flores
>Phoenix Cardinals:		god I can't believe I can't remember his name!

Joe (Toot my own) Bugel

>
>well, 60% ain't *too* bad I guess....
       ^^^
It got me through college! ;)

>
>--Vernon.


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From: i000506@disc.dla.mil (Carlos Deno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: football
Keywords: pool standings
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:59:00 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa

Dave,where is the current standings  through the preseason
week no.2 .
Thanks CJD.
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:36:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug20.143609.4191
Distribution: na
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Aug20.142314.20379@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

	[ ... ]

>You can't blame a guy for trying to get everything he can.  It sure 
>paid off for Mandarich.  But I think it's gone way past that now.
>Anybody know the details of Buckley's contract with the Braves?  How 
>much is he getting paid, when does he start working out with them, and 
>where will he play?

This morning's USA Today reported that if he's not playing football
this fall, he'll report to an instructional league team in mid
September.  Regardless, he's supposed to be in the Braves' spring camp
next year.
-- 
	If George Bush is really so excited about his family,
	how come Neil didn't get to speak?

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: wdavid@unf6.unf.edu (Bill David)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

In article <14AUG199201145037@numep2.phys.nwu.edu> todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar) writes:
>In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes...
>> 
>>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>
>I have to agree with you on crowd noise (of course coming from Seattle, I
>suppose I must).  The crowd has to be able to let it all out - this isn't

I hate the crowd noise rule. I don't even think it should be called in 
domed stadiums, and I'm one of the people who think domed stadiums 
are evil. Along these same lines, I think the helment radio system
they experimented with is a lousy idea. 

While I'm complaining, I might as well mention that I wish the NFL
would add the two point conversion after touchdowns... 

-Bill
wdavid@unf6.cis.unf.edu
(In Jacksonville, still in the expansion race...)
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From: mh@controls.ccd.harris.com (Michael Haselden)
Subject: Cowboy Cuts?
Originator: mh@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:49:30 GMT


Does anyone out there have a list of the players that have been
let go by the cowboys. In particular, I haven't see any mention
of Nate Kirtman who the 'boys drafted in the 9th round.


Thanks,

M.Haselden


PS: Thanks for all the Cowboys info, it's hard to get in florida
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From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wanted Bills update
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.173021.1479@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Robert Weisbeck) writes...
> 
>Keywords: 
>Does anyone have an update on the Bills?
>Is Bruce healthy? Is management playing guessing games on his injury again this year.
He was cleared to start light workouts today (8/14) and if the knee doesn't blow
up after a week (8/21?) He may be turned loose for full workout giving him 2 weeks
 to bang heads.  Darryl Talley claims Bruces mental attitude is GREAT and the league
better watch out for a return to form of 4 years ago.
>Did Bennett sign yet?  Who else is yet to sign.
Bennett, Kirby Jackson and Kieth McKellar are unsigned as of 8/14
> 
>What are the impressions of the Bills fans concerning the coaching staff changes
>this year. This has got to change the chemistry of the team.  What coaching positions
>have changed since last year? 
Ted Marchibroda will be missed. K  Tom Bresnahan is off. Coord./line coach but e rrea
really just acts as final decision maker if a tie needs to be broken among coaches
Charley Joiner is wide receiver coach and Jim Shofner is QB coach and works with
Joiner and others on passing game.  It will be interesting to see the impact.
> 
>What injuries have the bills encountered this season so far.?
Clifford Hicks has just come down with broken leg and is out for at least the first
2 games.  He was an important dime back and an excellant punt returner.  He will be
missed.
>What the local press's take on team spirit?
It is pretty good.  They are kind of amused at Chris Burmann and Tom Jackson and other
out-of-towners who are genuinely concerned about their mental state.  When I say
"They," I mean the local media.
  Near the end of the season last year
>all you heard about the bills in the press was individual players concerns, Smith problems, 
>Thomas' goals are a few that come to mind.
That is ancient history for now.  Thomas has done a lot of local community service
to improve the image hehurt so badly.  And Bruce will be Bruce, not many people
challenge L.T. to the Defensive MVP claim and do it in all seriousness.
The guy is good and he lets everybody know it.
Hope I helped.
TMM
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From: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Reply-To: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:28:11 GMT

Everybody has been so busy listing their least favorite rule that they have 
overlooked the obvious........

There are too many damn rules to begin with!  Even more so in the past seven 
years!  So much time is spent sorting out technicalities, it sucks the fun 
right out of watching the game.


============================
William J. Bene
Computer Sciences Corporation
wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov


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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: Elway's backup?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:28:36 GMT

In article <jjonsson.105@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.141841.828@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>
>>In article <15280123@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
>>>
>>>      Just read in the paper that the Broncos cut Steve Peuller.
>>>      I realize he wasn't much, but what does that leave Denver
>>>      with? Maddox and Moore(or Lee, whatever his name is)?
>>>      With Elway getting on in years and more susceptible to
>>>      injury, it seems a bit risky going without a veteran
>>>      backup.
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>>Yes, Maddox & Moore.  Trust me, if you'd seen Pelleur and Moore play, and you
>>didn't know who was the vet, you'd have said Moore in a second.  He is very
>>calm in the pocket, stands in and passes very well.  I think he will do a
>>fine job as backup if Elway goes down.  From what I saw of Maddox, he looks
>>like he could be the future for Denver when Elway retires.
>
>Don't hate me because I'm stupid, but what happened to Gary Kubiak?
>
>Jeff Jonsson

Kubiak retired after last season. Unfortunate, since he stuck around through
all the years that Elway was healthy. Kubiak showed in the AFC title game last
year what he was capable of, and it's too bad he won't be around when Elway
really starts to feel his age.

Peter Brown
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:04:33 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Instant Replay

Well, after the ABC team making a point of letting everybody know that
IR has been done away with, I for one can say I am really not looking
forward to this season's calls. After, what, 4 years? of replay and the
refs getting lazier and lazier about actually making calls correctly and
decisively, I have a feeling we're going to be treated to a feast of bad
calls this season, but I have to admit it'll be fun to have the ol'
"human error" part of the game back again--of course, now it's gonna be
a lot easier to start those "they paid off the refs" rumors again...! :D

anybody else have any thoughts on this?

--Vernon.
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From: therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com (Patty Therrien)
Subject: Re: other heismans
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:00:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <Aug19.163513.48013@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I forgot these players
>
>     Andre Ware           Detroit
>     Barry Sanders        Detroit
>
 Also add

	Vinny Testaverde   Tampa Bay

To bad he did not live up to his publicity.  Maybe this year?

-- 
Patricia Therrien (Patty)	 |Internet therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com
		    "Some folks see a bird's eye view  
   			  Others haven't got a clue" 
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:27:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.144138.15462@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

   In article <1992Aug18.055542.1523@abode.ttank.com>, eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes...

   >Sorry to do a repost of the entire article, but I figured some people may not
   >know what the heck I was replying to if I cut it all up. After reading the
   >replies from the original post I find that the person who made the replies
   >basically just hates the Cowboys and figures if he trashes everything that
   >someone says about the Cowboys that he will walk around with a smile on his
   >face for the rest of the day.

   I am going to start saving these messages so that every time a Cowboy 
   fan whines about someone being a Cowboy-basher I can post a list of 
   all the other people accused of the same thing.

I doubt that you have enough disk space.

Bill
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:44:28 GMT

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>
>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>
>
>any others you can think of ??????
>-- 
>*****************************************************************************
>Jeff Bokenko                       CONFUCIOUS SAY:  "He who fishes in another
>bokenko@beethoven.cs.colostate.edu           man's well, often catches crab."
>*****************************************************************************

Um, Barry Sanders??
Detmer plays for Green Bay.
Does Mike Rozier still play for Atlanta??
Vinny Testeverde??


Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

I bleed purple.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Skins depth chart?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:51:06 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, lesher@pollux.tmc.edu (T. Lesher) writes:
>Could anyone out there post a 'Skins depth chart?  I'd appreciate it
>much...

I'll post a message on the Redskins' depth chart as soon as it comes
out in the Washington Post.  I doubt that the depth chart has been
finalized yet; the training period still isn't over, and there are some
players to be cut.

Last year, the Redskins' depth chart was printed in the Washington Post
on August 27, 1991.  You can expect to see this year's chart around 
the end of this month.

When I find time I'll type up and post the Redskins' current roster.

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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:51:33 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>I just thought of another rule that I can't stand. [...] that QB's can 
>"down themselves" by sliding feet 1st.  What about the games where because of
>rainfall, the field becomes a water slide, should the QB get an extra 5 yards
>because he can slide? 

Hmmm.  What exactly is the rule here?  Really, any runner can slide; the
ball isn't downed until they are touched.  Is it against the rules for
a tackler to stop the QB's forward momentum when he's sliding?

>Also along the same lines, I can't the "in the grasp" rule!  

This was changed to a much more reasonable rule last season. 
For once, the complaints of fans were answered.
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:34:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.145300.3854@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>Second, the Pack should get some help when Ruettgers, Noble, and 
>Buckley sign.
>


According to WTMJ radio, Ruettgers agreed to terms Monday on a new
contract.  No details were given as to the length.  I'm sure this
is good news to Farve and Majkowski.

Also, Jerry "Toast" Holmes left camp voluntarily due to his poor
play Sunday.  Holmes was responsible for a 71 yard (?) touchdown
reception.

Late last week a conference call was set up between Wolf, Buckley, and
Buckley's agent.  The call ended, after a brief discussion, with
Buckley exclaiming "Pay me or Trade me", then hanging up on Wolf.
It looks like it could be awhile before he's in a Packer uniform.

-Todd
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboy Cuts?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:29:40 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Aug19.002945.123015@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
>    I
>    was surprised that James Brown was cut. I thought the coaches were pleased
>    with him (according to DCW).
                            ^^^

What?!?  I never said any such thing! :^)

Daniel Clayton Welch, who never noticed that before
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From: todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:29:00 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.185133.15324@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen (nod sivad) writes...
>>I just thought of another rule that I can't stand. [...] that QB's can 
>>"down themselves" by sliding feet 1st.  What about the games where because of
>>rainfall, the field becomes a water slide, should the QB get an extra 5 yards
>>because he can slide? 
> 
>Hmmm.  What exactly is the rule here?  Really, any runner can slide; the
>ball isn't downed until they are touched.  Is it against the rules for
>a tackler to stop the QB's forward momentum when he's sliding?
> 

First, as has been pointed out in a couple articles, the QB's yardage gain
stops where he starts his slide, so it wouldn't matter if he slid through
the back of the end zone (or out of bounds, although I can recall a call
a couple years ago when someone {Elway?} touched down inbounds and slid 
out and was ruled out of bounds).  

As far as stopping a QB's momentum goes, I don't think it really matters,
unless the defense really hammers him...

>>Also along the same lines, I can't the "in the grasp" rule!  

Me neither, but:

> 
>This was changed to a much more reasonable rule last season. 
>For once, the complaints of fans were answered.

Just another comment:  to be honest, I wouldn't mind if they outlawed 
artificial turf... in all sports... does anybody know how much of an 
increase in injuries the past 10-15 years can be attributed to it?

tkp

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Department of Physics         !   Bar & Grill, " Is the bartender here? "    
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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers news..
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:53:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


o Humphries was traded to SD this morning for an 'unknown' draft
  pick [some guy calls up the Chargers radio station this morning
and says "Who are the Redskins picking with the Chargers' 1st round
pick next season" #)]. Seriously, its a 3rd/4th rounder, probably
depending on performance. 

o Big concerns about the defensive secondary and line. They lost a
  promising DB Fuller for 3 weeks with arthroscopic knee surgery.
And the coaching staff is revamping the secondary personnel. Ross
and co. have been very testy about the defense.




--Prashanth
  prash@bhaskara.ucsd.edu
  U of California at San Diego
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:35:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>In article <1992Aug18.055542.1523@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>In article <20620@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug15.084043.29211@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
>>>Come on, when you propose a trade, don't use the following method:
>>>
>>>  1) Pick all the players on your team you don't like - guys that aren't good.
>>>  2) Pick players on other teams that are pro-bowl quality.
>>>  3) Say "Hey, let's trade #1 for #2".
>>
>>Sorry to do a repost of the entire article, but I figured some people may not
>>know what the heck I was replying to if I cut it all up. After reading the
>>replies from the original post I find that the person who made the replies
>>basically just hates the Cowboys and figures if he trashes everything that
>>someone says about the Cowboys that he will walk around with a smile on his
>>face for the rest of the day.
>
>No, I would say the person that made the replies is living in the real
>world.   The original poster is doing exactly what is mentioned above,
>attempting to trade #1 for #2.

I'm a Cowboy fan and I'd have to agree.
But remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out
to get you.

GT
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From: 6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Henry Ellard?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:16:06 GMT


ellard has a hamstring problem,but he should play in the
last two pre-season games
drew





------------------------- Original Article -------------------------




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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Henry Ellard?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:48:22 GMT


Does anyone out there know what happened to Henry Ellard?  I didn't see him in t
Thanks.
Jason Gische
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs Broncos - thoughts
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:19:46 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>	Troy Vincent played in his first game in a 'Phins uniform and
>was pretty much invisible until late in the fourth quarter, when he
>broke up 2 passes and nearly intercepted one.  

But "invisible" is exactly what you want a CB to be.  Daryl Green of the
Redskins is invisible most every game because no one dares throw
the ball to the man he's covering.  When he becomes visible, as
in last year's Dallas game, it's usually bad news.

Therefore, I read your above description of Vincent as: "he played well
until the fourth quarter, then his coverage lapsed."

					me
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kennedy@inter-tel.com (Matt Kennedy)
Subject: Raiders sign Allen and McDaniel
Summary: Raiders Sign Allen, McDaniel
Keywords: Raiders, Allen, McDaniel
Organization: Inter-Tel, Inc. (Chandler, AZ)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:07:46 GMT


The Raiders signed Marcus Allen and Terry McDaniel and
both have reported to camp.

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Matthew S. Kennedy
kennedy@inter-tel.com
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