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From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:56:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.132532.26614@cbnewse.cb.att.com> pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
>In article <BvCzDF.EC4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>>...  Is it at all possible to continue riding when it gets 30 or 40
>ski goggles (preferable with a clear lens for riding in the dark - days are
>short), a ski mask, earmuffs, some scarf/turtleneck for the neck area, ski
An alternative is the neoprene face mask that Performance carries, although
it is overkill above about 25 degrees. These may be available from other
vendors as well.
From: rob@contempt.brisnet.org.au (Rob Amos)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Helmet stink (WAS Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 15:58:27 +1000
Reply-To: rob%contempt%meteor@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au
Organization: Rob's pit of despair   >:-(

In <1aee9aINNhq@agate.berkeley.edu> tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub) writes:

>I'd recommend against using a backpack (for any cycling, but espcially
>commuting to work).  They soak up lots of sweat and eventually start
>smelling that way.
> -Tom

Well, I used to dislike having a backpack, but I was only considering
the 'sweaty back' feeling.  As for the backpack smelling bad after a
while - my solution was to buy a nylon pack, and throw it in the 
washing machine every second week.

Now to MY problem - what is the best way to freshen a stinky HELMET?
I have washed the foam spacer pads - but most of the (ahem) 'aroma'
comes from the nylon, woven straps.  I have tried washing them (with and
without soap) and soaking them, but they still smell bad.

Any suggestions? (No, I can't buy a new helmet - a replacement would
cost around $90 !!!)  :-)

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From: rickd@sequoiasequoia.com (Richard Dienel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Avoiding hand injuries in crashes
Summary: My last accident ....
Keywords: crash accident joint injury
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:07:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Several weeks ago I was involved in a minor accident - while drafting
one of my cycling buddies, I overran his rear wheel whilst he simultaneously
swerved to avoid one of our patented New England pot holes. My front wheel 
was almost immediately turned at a 90 degree angle to our direction of motion,
and I was propelled over my handlebars, luckily onto the grass at the side
of the road. It was a very flat trajectory, one that did not lend itself 
to a judo roll. My arms were semi-extended, and I remember making the
decision to pull them toward my waist, so that they wouldn't get twisted
when my 180 lb body landed on them. I bodysurfed on my chest and belly for
10-15 feet, banging the front of my helmet on the turf, sustaining minor
grass burns on my knees and elbows. I also hyper-extended my left elbow and
had a _minor_ concussion (blurred vision, slight headache). I shudder to think 
of what that head strike would have done to an unprotected head...

The only persistant problem from this accident has been reduced range-of-motion
in my elbow, and a fear of drafting my riding partner


--
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And 'ow did you find yourself this morning?
				 I just rolled back the sheets and there I was!

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Rick Dienel                                           rickd@sequoia.com
Sequoia Systems Inc.
From: mark3@dcs.gla.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: The Tao of falling off a bike
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:01:29 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
Return-Path: <mark3@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

A current thread is that how you react to an accident can be affected by
the attitudes toward physical attack that are instilled by martial arts.
Someone has suggested that we should all get drunk before cycling, to
ensure a happy landing before we have time to react to a crash in some
non-beneficial way. This reminded me of something I once read and I've
managed to find it at last so here it is. It's a translated quote from the
Taoist sage Chuang-tzu.

        A drunken man who falls out of a cart, though he may suffer, does  
        not die. His bones are the same as other people's; but he meets 
        the accident in a different way. His spirit is in a condition of 
        security. He is not concious of riding in the cart; neither is he
        concious of falling out of it. Ideas of life, death, fear etc.,
        cannot penetrate his breast; and so he does not suffer from
        contact with objective existences. And if such security is to be
        got from wine, how much more is to be got from sponteneity.

        [H.A.Giles 'Cuang-tzu' p.232]
        

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From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:01:26 GMT
	<BvEu38.2G9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <alanf.718004030@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au>
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research, Hopkinton, MA


 tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas) writes:
>In other words, the cats which fell from higher heights had time to relax
>their bodies before impact, and this was why their injuries weren't so
>severe.

I have heard the relaxation theory also.  This is supposed to be why
drunk drivers can often walk away from a wreck with little or no
injury. 

Not to get off the subject, but I thought that cats absorbed the
energy of a fall by arching their backs before they hit the ground.
When they hit the ground, the back would absorb the energy in
streightening out.  This is what fast film of cats falling has shown.
Now, it seems to me that if the cat relaxed, it wouldn't arch.
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From: tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 08:52:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <23505@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> dschwepk@samson.hac.com writes:
)
)David Yon mentioned "a quick sponge bath with a soapy facecloth in the bathroom and
)a change of clothes works quite well."

I agree.  It's also good to take a few minutes to cool down before you
change, and on really hot days (we don't get 'em here, but I hear they
happen elsewhere) some deodorant would probably be helpful, but not
necessary.

)Concerning the change of clothes, how can a change of clothes (say dress pants, 
)shirt, tie) be carried on a bike without getting badly wrinkled?

If you are using panniers or a rack trunk, you can lay the pants flat 
on your bed, lay the folded shirt on top of them, lay the tie and your
underwear on top of that, and roll it up into a neat little package
wrapped by your belt.  It keeps things reasonably wrinkle-free and makes
it tougher to forget stuff.

There are also cyclist's attaches which allow you to basically hang
your suit, folded, inside your bag.  I've never used one, but might
if I ever need to do the three-piece thing.

I'd recommend against using a backpack (for any cycling, but espcially
commuting to work).  They soak up lots of sweat and eventually start
smelling that way.
 -Tom
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Usenet readership
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:09:30 GMT

I see from the latest Usenet Readership Report that the various r.b
newsgroups have the following popularity rankings and readerships.

		    	Popularity	 Estimated
		     	Ranking		Readership
rec.bicycles		   65		   45 k
rec.bicycles.misc	  879		   11
rec.bicycles.marketplace  947		    9.7
rec.bicycles.rides	  973		    9.4
rec.bicycles.tech	  983		    9.3
rec.bicycles.soc	 1068		    7.9
rec.bicycles.racing	 1170		    6.7

This is about what I expected except that I thought r.b.marketplace
would be more popular than r.b.misc.  I would guess that quite a few
people subscribe to .misc thinking that it really is "miscellaneous"
and they don't want to miss anything.

I also note that rec.bicycles readership is down substantially (from
something like 75k), which indicates that quite a few people are
electing to subscribe just to the more specific groups and skipping
the residual hodge-podge.

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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: donadio@wilbur.psu.edu (Beaker)
Subject: Developing riding technique
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:11:48 GMT

Are there any excercises or good books out there to help develop
proper riding technique?  Right now I seem to be having trouble
peddling in a circular motion.  I can't seem to tell if I am
peddling up and down or in a circle.  I have clippless peddles and
access to rollers (with a stand) if it matters any.

--
Beaker aka Matt Donadio| When you've seen beyond yourself--then you may find
-----------------------| peace of mind, is waiting there--And the time will
mxd120@psuvm.psu.edu   | come when you see we're all one, and life flows on
donadio@wilbur.psu.edu | within you and without you.  --George Harrison
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
Subject: Re: Headphones (was Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?)
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:32:26 GMT

In <102420012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> tfb@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Tim Bradshaw) asks:

> To bring this back to bicycles: was this in response to a suggestion
> to wear headphones while riding?  I think that's a pretty good way to
> get knocked down by a car you didn't hear.

No, there was never any suggestion to wear headphones - the topic just 
came up in relation to the wind-in-the-ear-noise subject. 

From what I've seen, I think it's a fairly common practice though.  However, 
I do a lot of riding on a bike path as opposed to roads, and people probably
feel more at ease in that setting ...

	--John

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:35:24 GMT

In rec.bicycles.misc, khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
> In rec.bicycles.misc, boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone) writes:
>> Mike - I don't want to rain on your's or anyone else's parade, but using
>> headphones (especially at any kind of volume) has been shown to cause
>> measurable and progressive hearing loss.

> The underlines statement above is entirely untrue.  Headphones do NOT
[...]
> kept to a reasonable volume (~70-80db), they are perfectly safe.  

   Well, I know that I've heard of at least one study which supports my
   original statement.  No, I'm not going to take the time right now to 
   look for the reference - if I run across the report soon I'll post it.
   Or if anybody has a report which corrects any misconceptions I may 
   have, please post it.  There are probably enough cyclists who use
   headphones to warrant a posting on the subject.

   If you want to believe that listening to 80dB sound through Walkman-type 
   headphones is ok, go for it.  Maybe your ears are tougher than mine.  

>>I enjoy music as much as anybody, which is one reason I don't use 
>> headphones much anymore.

>Tell this to the thousands of studio musicians and engineers who
>use headphones (AKG studio monitor headphones, usually) 3-4 hours
>a day.   They rely on the hearing to make a living, they would
>know if headphones intrinsically caused hearing damage.


   Well, how do you suggest I tell these thousands of musicians and
   engineers you talk to?  :-)


	-- John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.sport.triathlon
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Cycling with broken toe.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.175931.11367@atlastele.com> dsmith@atlastele.com (Doug Smith) writes:
>
>I suffered a minor fracture in a toe last week, and was wondering if
>it's safe to cycle with a broken toe. My doctor told me no running
>for 3 weeks, and swimming is o.k., but wasn't sure about cycling and
>thought it best not to risk it.


I started riding because I broke a toe and couldn't jog. Within two weeks
I had gained 12 pounds. I bought a bike from a garage sale and discovered
that I could actually get more and better exercise from the bike than from
jogging because I HATED running and riding a bike was so easy.

Last year I put in over 5,500 miles and I'm ahead of that this year. Oh
yeh, the broken toe -- an incomplete fracture of the left small toe. The
bike riding caused no problems as I recall.
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: I need addresses of manufacturers!...
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:11:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Rec.Bicycles.Misc:
			Can anyone out there in netland provide me with 
addresses for any bike manufacturers in the USA?  I'm thinking of companies 
like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, etc., basically any place in the USA that
makes bikes.  I'm thinking of writing them a letter and telling them that I'm
a bike head with a Bachelor's of Science in Mech. Eng., and wouldn't they like
to hire me so I can (try) to design bikes and components.  Or at least get my
foot in the door.
	One aspect of bikes that I would really like to tackle is the subject
of high-speed wobble and what causes it.  Right now, I'm in grad school, and I
will probably take Advanced Vibrations next term.  Hopefully, I will learn 
something that I can apply to this problem.  Jobst mentioned that there are no
good mathematical models for this problem--I would like to try to develop one!
Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks!

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Mechanical Engineering                                O   
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	       or JWGST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
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From: jbrandt@hplred.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:18:31 GMT
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

Mark Maginnis writes

> It's a translated quote from the Taoist sage Chuang-tzu.
>
> A drunken man who falls out of a cart, though he may suffer, does
> not die. His bones are the same as other people's; but he meets
> the accident in a different way. His spirit is in a condition of
> security. He is not conscious of riding in the cart; neither is he
> conscious of falling out of it. Ideas of life, death, fear etc.,
> cannot penetrate his breast; and so he does not suffer from
> contact with objective existences. And if such security is to be
> got from wine, how much more is to be got from spontaneity.
>
> [H.A.Giles 'Cuang-tzu' p.232]

This is an old saw that found fertile ground for not wearing seat
belts as well as driving while drunk.  I don't have the publication at
hand now but I recall reading several reports of the Highway Safety
department of California finding no basis for the conclusion that a
limber drunk or a sleeping passenger (or driver) has sustained less
severe injuries than any other person.

It might be worth noting that all dummies in crash tests are as good
as drunk and they sustain severe damage from which test labs
accurately estimate probable injuries to humans.  That the quoted text
was used to justify drunkenness long ago proves only that humans have
always been good at explaining their weaknesses.  Just ask a substance
abuser and you will get a stream of similarly reassuring fables of
benefits of such indulgence.

On the other hand let me suggest t is better to be quick and nimble as
a cat that seldom falls other than on its feet.  Lost brain cells
cause lethargic response and humans have some of the slowest responses
of the animals of our size.

Just because it was said a long time ago doesn't of itself make such
a statement valid or full of knowledge.  It stayed alive this long
because drunkards through the ages found solace in it.  Some of these
were good writers as well.  Dylan Thomas comes to mind among others.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:11:59 GMT

In article <102420012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
says:

>In article <1992Oct6.123524.20342@IDA.ORG> boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
>is scary:

>>   ...  There are probably enough cyclists who use headphones to
>>   warrant a posting on the subject. 

>Good heavens, I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Headphones with noise coming through them is dangerous to the using
>cyclist and all those around them.  Auditory signals from the
>environment are absolutely essential to safe cycling.  Focusing
>noise into your ear--even at a "safe" ~70db--is dangerous in the
>extreme. 

I agree with this 100%, but I still see a lot of people doing it.

	--John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:34:06 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   1 Oct 92 06:31:24 GMT
>FROM:   Daniel Schwepker <dschwepk@samson.hac.com>
>Concerning the change of clothes, how can a change of clothes (say dress pants, 
>shirt, tie) be carried on a bike without getting badly wrinkled?

Keep a few sets at the office and dry clean them locally as necessary.
From: pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Hazards of commuting
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:15:11 GMT
Organization: University of Ottawa Computer Centre
Originator: pete@aix1.uottawa.ca


I've just encountered a new hazard with cycling to work.
Yesterday, I arrived at my office.  The window had been
smashed, and there was a note from campus security telling me
that there had been an apparent break and enter.  They asked
me to verify if anything was missing.

I looked around at the valuable stuff; computers, disks, important
papers, coffee cup...  Everything appeared to be there.  Discussing
the break in with others, we concluded that something must have
scared the thief off before (s)he could steal anything.  I then
proceeded to get dressed.

Since I commute by bike every day, I keep a bit of a wardrobe in
my office.

My shoes were missing!  There must have been a mixup.  Who would
break into an office, leave a NeXT and a PC, and take a pair of
shoes?  I called home, to ask my wife I my shoes were there, but
no.

Further investigation revealed that a pair of pants and a jacket
were also missing.

Someone broke into my office to steal my clothes!  Damn!

What does this have to do with bicycles?  Well, if I would
drive, I wouldn't have had anything stolen.  :-(


P.S.  It was my favorite jacket.  It had my name, `Crazy Pete'
      written on the sleeve.
-- 
Pete Hickey               | Pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA | "If a vegetarian eats
Communication Services    |   or (if desperate)     |  vegatables, then what
University of Ottawa      | petehic@uottawa.bitnet  |  does a humanitarian
Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  eat?"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Subject: Re: Motorist discovers new way of passing bicyclist
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:24 GMT
Summary: Now you know why Pennsylvania is such an exciting place to cycle.

In article <73083@apple.Apple.COM>, ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
> I was headed north on Hwy 1 just past Marshall in Marin County (= narrow,
> twisty, rolling road) when some jerk in a motorhome tried a passing trick
> I hadn't seen before: ...
> 

Eric, I told you cycling in PA could be challenging.  About all we have is 
narrow, twisty, slightly hilly roads with poor sightlines.  When I had time
to cycle on weekends solo or with club riders, we would get about one
motorist/50 miles performing the maneuver you describe.  If you are
interested in more practice with these situations, come on over for some
East Coast cycling.  8--30 days cycling time ;-).

> 
> The oncomming vehicle the jerk driver narrowly avoided hitting was another
> bicycle.  I bet its rider had an even more exciting time of it than I did.
> -- 

Rarely did we encounter a cyclist coming in the opposite direction though.
That might be because there were rarely any cyclists out there besides us.
Wonder why?  It might be because motorists have scared them all off the roads.
Its might be because smart cyclists went West ;-).

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA
gem@aloft.att.com


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:58:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.123524.20342@IDA.ORG> boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
is scary:

>   ...  There are probably enough cyclists who use headphones to
>   warrant a posting on the subject. 

Good heavens, I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!
Headphones with noise coming through them is dangerous to the using
cyclist and all those around them.  Auditory signals from the
environment are absolutely essential to safe cycling.  Focusing
noise into your ear--even at a "safe" ~70db--is dangerous in the
extreme. 


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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