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From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:33:15 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) said:
:- First of all, the private email response to my DoD whining was so
:- pleasantly at odds with the public abuse that I have had the bug
:- surgically removed from my ass. The KotL was nice enough to respond
:- with a get well card in the form of a DoD number; see revised .sig below.
:- 

	what?? thats it??? hey, where's the flame fest?! at this point
	you are supposed to be talking about:

	1. the SNR on rec.motorcycles
	2. the # of posts with DoD in the subject line
	3. the ill-efects of anarchy on a self-administered system
	4. all of the above

	now lets get this discussion back in line!

	peace,

	- ravi


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From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Tripping Signal Lights
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:19:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Sep30.151940.1097
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <UelbsI_00Uh7E5_tsR@andrew.cmu.edu> John Robert Nadzam <jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>  >>Ride your bike over Ed Green, former Ninjaite 
> This really must suck for you Ed.
Some people get their thrills is awfully funny ways ...

>I still can't figure out how riding over ED will help trigger the
>signal. And what about all of us who happen to be riding withoput Ed.?

It has to do with whether Leo is in your mid-heaven when you ride over Ed,
consider:  it is possible to generate a cosmic aura if you ride over Ed
fast enough, which is stored in the outer valence electrons of the U238
used to line your muffler bearings; this stored cosmic energy will then
generate enough of a field to trip any signal light within two blocks!
I'll bet you didn't realize that!  So there.


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Rec.Moto has rules?
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:37:41 GMT

Punishment? This DoD gets Better all the time!

I don't like beer!

...Ok, where's the punishment? Should I tell 
other DoD'ers about it at the ERC today? 
(today? ...i gotta get some sleep....)

In article <1992Sep24.113426.8248@galadriel.bt.co.uk>, ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola) writes:
|> From article <1992Sep23.102358.29434@news.arc.nasa.gov>, by howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland):
|> > In article <1992Sep22.171217.26263@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
|> > 
|> > |> Rec.motos Rule #73, all threads shall eventually get round to beer or helemets.
|> > |> 
|> > |> --
|> > |> David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
|> > |> Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
|> > |> "Eccles never keeps his boots in his pocket."
|> > 
|> > #73? Seems a bit high for such a basic rule. 
|> > 
|> > ...And I don't like beer at all! So There!
|> > 
|> > ---
|> > Curt Howland        DoD#0663      '82 V45 Sabre
|> >             howland@nsipo.nasa.gov 
|> >   Don't bother arguing with drunks or zealots,
|> > they're not listening to anyone but themselves.
|> 
|> But Curt, rule # 74 states that ALL DoDs should GUZZLE large amounts
|> of beer, and answer to severe punishment if this is not so.
|> 
|> Antony.
|> DoD# 1832
|> 'Tyre Warmers; they're for keeping the tyres warm before a race.'
|> 	  - Murray Walker.
|> 'Do you ever fell literally inadequate? If I knew what it meant, I
|> probably would.'
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:40:57 GMT
Summary: pollution isn't imaginary

In article <1992Sep28.160210.3628@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
> In article <7387@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
> >What I'm also wondering is why the EPA wants this.  What does adding 10%
> >alcohol to gasoline do to improve emissions?  What is the purpose?  The
> >actual polution levels coming out of the modern engines today is pretty
> >low already so how much difference is this actually going to make, if any?
> 
> 	The ONLY thing adding alcohol to gasoline will do these days is
> allow the politicians to say that they "did something for the environment."
> That's it.  Period.  You wanna clean up the air?  Go after the poorly-
> tuned diesels that belch black smoke into the air.  Go after industry.
> That's all that's left.  Passenger cars (and motorcycles) are CLEAN
> (and gutless :-( anymore.

The ones in the Denver area aren't clean , even if they pass the emissions
control test.  Imposition of mandatory oxy-fuels in the Denver metro
area for the last 6 or so years has had dramatic effect on CO levels.
The poorly-tuned diesels, coal-fired power plants, and fireplaces are 
responsible for the particulates that make up Denver's infamous "brown 
cloud", but it's the CO that kills people.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: BMW K-100 HP was: [Re: BMW K100rs & Boxer sound bite]
Keywords: horsepower hp BMW K-100 K-1100 
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174628.4491@pica.army.mil> tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>) writes:
>joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>>tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>) writes:
>>]country. A 49 state version and a California version. Prime difference
>>]being the cams. If that sounds like it's too confusing to you, and your
>>
>>82hp from '86 on? sorry, my K100 is rated at 100hp. 95 w/the cat...
>
>Are you real sure? I thought that the 4-V Motronic simply brought it back
>up to 90. The 1100 motor is good for 100. W/ catalyst. But I could be
>wrong (gotta happen sometime.) (this hour.)
> 
>                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil

As a long time BMW owner and tech info freak, here's the scoop on 4 cyl 
BMW advertised horsepower:

85 K-100 	90hp 
USA 86-91  8 valve  82hp @ 8000 rpm  (66 DIN KW),  torque 63.7 ft/lb @ 6000 
USA 86-91  8 valve  82hp @ 8000 rpm  (66 DIN KW),  torque 86  Nm     @ 6000
EUR 86-91  8 valve  90hp @ 8000 rpm  (66 DIN KW),  torque 86  Nm     @ 6000
USA 89-92 16 valve  95hp @ 7500 rpm  (?? DIN KW),  torque 72.3 ft/lb @ 6250
EUR 89-92 16 valve 100hp @ 8000 rpm  (74 DIN KW),  torque 100 Nm     @ 6700
ALL K1100 16 valve 100hp @ 7700 rpm  (74 DIN KW),  torque 107 Nm     @ 5500

Except for the first line, all of these figures are taken from BMW annual 
sales brochures.  The Kilowatt HP figures for the 8 valve engines _are_
direct quotes from the USA and the German sales brochures ... obviously
one isn't right; I'm not up on HP to KW conversion so I can't tell what's
right.  I suspect the validity of the 8 valve torque figures, at least
the USA Newwton/Meter figure also.

If someone has the HP - KW conversion handy, I'd like to see it.  Ft/Lb
conversion to Newton Meters would also be interesting.  Anybody got the
formulae?

I've had an 1988 K-100 8V, a 1991 K-100 16V, and now a K-1100 16V
and I can attest to the differences these figures show.  At the MOA
rally this summer in DuQuoin, I ran the K-1100 on a DynoJet chassis dyno,
this showed a peak of 82 hp at the rear wheel, compared to a 1991 K1 reading
of 70 hp at the wheel, and several K-100 8V readings of 62-64 hp at the
rear wheel.  I've got a graphic printout of the K-1100 and the K-100 16V (K1)
horsepower curves, at the rear wheel, both overlaid on the same page.
that I can FAX to [ a few ] interested persons who email me their FAX number.


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
 
       [   97 miles an hour, it's not the law it's just a good idea   ]
                        {   DoD Minumum Speed   }
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Keywords: brakes holes cooling
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:42:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <37258@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, jeg@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Gelnaw) writes:

] Now, when you drill the holes through the disc, you're doing something very
] important... you're increasing surface area.  The more surface area of the 
] disc that's exposed to the air, therefore you have more heat
dissapation.

Aren't you also _decreasing_ the surface area between the pads and the
rotor?  Is it negligible enough so that the cooling effect on the
rotor outweighs it ?

                                             Hmmm,
                                             Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Blue over blue pipes
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
	<Stafford-051092150411@stafford.winona.msus.edu>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:34:56

"stafford" == John Stafford <Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU> writes:
stafford> OBFrivilous -- Blued pipes occur less today than than they once
stafford> did, much to the distress of the Harley lifestylers, so Harley

Unless you buy a BMW r-bike. :-)
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
"I love the iPSC/860.
The iPSC/860 is my friend." (repeat until your code runs...)
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ridiculous M/C Engine swaps (was Re: Faster 1100)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:18:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <Bv5AuE.Lrz@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
>Motorcyclist has done a few write-ups (and one test ride) on a company called
>Boss Hog that makes small block Chevy 350 powered Harleys.  It uses a tranny
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

slower minds wants to know...   How can a Chevy powered bike be considered
to be called a "Harley" ?

-t.c.



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 26 Sep 1992 17:10:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep24.234526.23683@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
stine@athena.cs.uga.edu (Elizabeth Stine) wrote: 
> What if the car manufacturers had a deal with some oil companies not to 
> advocate the use of gasahol in their engines?
> 
> I know, this smacks of a conspiracy theory. But why have auto makers been so 
> against every anti-pollution law or fuel economy law? 
>

Uh, because it costs money to develop new technology?
 
> Michael Weaver         I'm posting from my wife's account. Reply to 
> weaver@moe.coe.uga.edu

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.204546.29334@eye.com>, jesse@eye.com (Jesse Lackey)
>>wrote:
>>
>>> It is situations like this that make me want to get a .22 to keep on my bike
>>> somewhere.  Not that I know how to shoot, but there's nothing like a gun to
>>> stop large assholes in their tracks...
>
>>Yeah, the only problem is that you should only pull a gun if you're
>>going to use it.  'Cause, if the other guy has one, and you don't use
>>yours, he WILL use his...
>
>The other problem is that with a .22, the other guy might die laughing
>when you pull it out. And if you did shoot him, he'd probably get mad &
>hurt you.

Not true.  Every credible source says it hurts to get shot, whatever the
caliber.  Guns ain't toys, not even .22s



-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: stupid people
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:11:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.171747.23707@osf.org>, jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.160710.2903@ichips.intel.com> mfisch@ichips.intel.com writes:
|> >In article <23753@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> took me for a 'ride' one lunchtime..  I nearly lost the lunch..
|> >|> I don't think ANY bike could have kept up with the violent
|> >|> cornering that I was subjected to :-)
|> >
|> >  So I guess you've taken a few laps on the back with Kevin Schwantz
|> >and are qualified to make that sort of comparison, right ??? :-+
|> >
|> Remember the comparison Motorcyclist did a couple years back pitting the
|> Corvette ZR against the Yamaha FZR1000? The *only* contest the bike lost was
|> the skid pad. The bike blasted the Vette in straightaways on the track
|> and on the drag strip. The two best parts of that test was the fact that the
|> car ate up a thousand dollars worth of tires, and the bike barely showed
|> any use and the fact that you could buy something like seven FZR's for the
|> price of the Vette.
|> 

  Yeah...something like 0.01g difference.  Put an FZR-400 on there and
it'll beat the pants off the 'vette in the corners.  Better yet, if we're
talking cost, $15,000 will get you a TZ250 equipped with slicks which will
run circles around the 400.  Besides, I'm sure Schwantz could pull more 
G's on his factory RGV-500 on a bad day then a Vette could at best (he
did say *ANY* bike).

  I still maintain that the advantage that cars hold is downforce providing
aerodynamics.  Please don't tell me about "wings" and "spoilers" on street 
cars, I'm talking about the kind found on race cars, which actually do 
something.  Given equal riders, that's where you'll find the cars beating
the bikes, and then, only the more sophisticated ones.

  BTW, I watched Scott Russell at PIR this weekend turn laptimes only 3
seconds off the Indy Car pace.  He said that he was having suspension 
troubles, and that he'd go faster next time. :->

  I've seen ultra-trick Saleen Mustangs running SCCA pro out there, and
their best times were 3 seconds slower than Russell.

-- 
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|   Matt Fisch								     |
|   mfisch@ichips.intel.com						     |
|									     |
|                          #75 - Team Banana Racing 			     |
|				SUZ GSXR-1186				     |
|									     |
|  "Just a little too much right hand and the Australian Grand Prix is over  |
|   for Kevin Schwantz..."						     |
|									     |
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From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FJ1200s
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:48:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: tektroni.9209301848.AA20900


Someone out there has mentioned they have a collection of posts on
these bikes.  Could I get a copy?  Now that I have my commuter
bike I'm thinking of making it a twosome with a sport tourer.

--Terry

CBR900RR
FJ1200????
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are...
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:38:03 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: krafft@fnalc.fnal.gov's message of 2 Oct 92 14:51:50 GMT

In article <2OCT92085150@fnalc.fnal.gov>, krafft@fnalc.fnal.gov said:
A great deal of nonsense, and
>Why do harlee riders have this superior than thou additude?

Take it personally, and I think you will have answered the question
for yourself.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELP!! How did de-smogging my bike screw up my carburation????????
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:10:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1a0h82INNmhu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>
>When riding at constant RPMs above 4000 at at normal city speeds the
>the engine lurches BACK about once a second as though it is cutting
>out. It is only slight, but it is noticable and distracting. 
>
   An excellent description of "lean surge".

>Could the removal of the smog stuff cause this? If so, which smog
>equipment? The exaust or evaporative parts???
>
   Not knowing exactly what you did, yes it could.  It usually happens
   when installing an aftermarket pipe with less back pressure than the
   stocker.  It could also be caused by removing a vacuum line and not
   plugging it up sufficiently well.

>I suspect that I will need to rejet. 
>
   I suspect that you will.  Since it occurs at light throttle settings,
you may be able to cure it by raising the needles slightly.  Otherwise,
it will be the pilot jets, not the main jets that will give the best
results.  Main jets for wide open, needle for medium settings, pilot
jets for small throttle openings, idle for idle.

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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:16:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Re: What to do

Don't get too cocky about how safe you'll be if you drive to the
police station. Granted, it's better than leading the wierdos home
but here in tranquil Ft. Collins, a woman was being followed by
her ex. She'd moved up here from Denver to shake this guy.

The lady drove to the police station and was shot by him as she
opened the door to the station-house.

The good news was that there were lots of people with first-aid 
training on the scene.

The bad news was that she took 3 hits. 

It was ironic that she had a gun in the glovebox but left it and the
vehicle to run inside.

If you can't shake 'em on a moto, you need more training!

Ron
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:17:47 GMT
Subject: Re: First Bike
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

> From: markb@solbourne.com (Mark W. Bradley)
> Subject: First Bike
> 
> I just got my first bike.  It's an 1100 Katana, but it's a little slow
> for me.  Any ideas on how to get some more HP and speed out of it.  Maybe
> a turbo kit or something I can do myself with minimal risk would be the
> solution.  Any ideas?
> 
> 							markb
> -- 
> Mark Bradley   (DoD#1100)		  Faster, faster, until the thrill


JATO bottles, perhaps? After all, they're mil-spec'd, they should be
pretty safe. But be sure you wear a full-face helmet. Have you seen
the pictures of the Air Force guy doing rocket-sled testing in
the '40's with just a pair of goggles? Well, it'll mess up more than
just your hair!

Ron
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency (was Re: More gasoh
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:19:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 558@halfdome.sf.ca.us, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>c'mon, boys & girls, do you really believe that we will develop (and
>market) alternative engines/fuels while there is still a drop of oil
>to be drained out of the ground?

Sure, if it can be produced/distributed/marketed cheaper, where cheaper
is consumer cost (taxing the shit out of the alternative counts).

> lenin argued that capitalism
>initially would promote innovation in the pursuit of efficiency but
>that once a technology became entrenched (i.e. part of the means of
>production) it would behoove the owners thereof to eliminate buy up
>and/or destroy competing technologies. 

Yeah, well, Lenin missed the boat on a whole bunch of political and
social science.

"Technologies" don't exist in and of themselves, they are a means
towards some end.  The "owners" of a given technology will be best
positioned to encorporate any newer technology that achieves the same
end.  If somebody figures out how to run a car on cow piss, Exxon will
simply become the world's largest rancher.

The problem I see with technology development vs. capitalism is not so
much entrenchment of production as it is the "acceptable" degree of
control (ie, $$$).  There is no *real* reason we couldn't have been
enjoying Digital Audio Tape for the past 7 years, except for the
lawyers in Hollywood.  The original satellite TV laws were pure
bullshit.  They got around it by scrambling the signal, but any law
that criminalizes descrambling it is bullshit.  All "look and feel" S/W
protection arguments are bullshit.  Just wait 'till computing goes
nomadic, more money will be wasted in court trying to "control" the
market than the entire cost of R&D.

> i suggest, rather, that it is
>simply not in the best interests of *anyone* (employer or worker) to
>support the supersuccesion of technology or economic/foreign policies
>which provides both profits and jobs

Anything that provides profits will be pursued.  Jobs are incidental.

ObMoto:  Nothing, but neither did bob's.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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