From: pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:06:45 GMT
Organization: Club Amiga Montreal

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin) writes:
>: You don't understand that the essence of my intervention is for blame you (a
>: CBM employee) to doubt about Marc Barrett affirmation, you are not in the
>: position of impartiallity and you prove that with your affirmation to keep
>: some confidentiality. I know and understand i cannot obtain that kind of

>Neither is Marc Barrett:  He is a developer, and under NDA.  He is
>nowhere near "impartial", as anyone here could probably say.

I mean by impartial, "sales & money relation". You have large view over NDA.
MB don't fail with NDA with their affirmation. But fail NDA is no risk since
CBM is not very impressive legally speaking.


>And he's lost much of his credibility.
Where is CBM credibility.

>: information from CBM, but i'm (and many other peoples) are interrested about
>: confidetial information giving some hints in the way CBM go. We are a user
>: group and the priority for me is to protect the consumer this is why the
>: information from an impartial MB is most credible than a Salesmam full of
>: secrets (ie: Pink Floyd).

>Like I said.  If you're told that he's wrong, then to trust him
>anyways would be foolish.  MB first stated that CDTV was dead.  It
>obviously isn't.  MB then went on to say that AmigaVision hadn't been
>updated in so long that it was probably being dropped, and that C= was
>just being sneaky about trying to drop it.  Then he was told here that
>it was being rewritten.  Shot down again, I guess.

Where is your fact about CDTV isn't dead? MB affirmation are based on 2
responsable people of CDTV are left. You write the fact about AmigaVision and
you don't agree about the logical deduction. I what base you take your
optimistics dreams?

>What's next?
CBM bankrupcy?, $21.9M Loss For 4Q, Stock Drops stock dropped $2.25, closing at
$6.87. Atari launche a machine in a same potential market, with better price &
feature. But "moumoune" Gould announce new machines for end of the year, these
machines exist for more then a year, Ask Ethan Solamita about these machines,
this is the rabbit and turtle story the sequel.

>: Now for the part of technical detail, CBM fail that way too. When you see an
>: announcement from CBM last time, no, not a mouth to ear announcement to a WOC
>: or WOA cheapo sunday Sesame Street Gamer Crazy price cutter from James Dionne
>: but a real announcement like Apple told Newsbyte many times. I consider Apple
>:a serious company and they exist and they alive, because i receive information
>: about Apple, not only the good one but some time like "Apple sue XYZ". 

>I'm not sure if you want printed press releases from C= or lawsuits
>against other companies.  Suffice to say that they do release things
>with large announcements:  But nothing has been really "announced" yet.

Do you believe CBM announcement regularity at this time, proove the company is 
alive? Maybe this CBM strategy is convenable for your attempt.

>: Again you cannot prove the thruth by your position you are not credible, let
>: the impartial people judging.

>He is absolutely credible.  If he says something, he probably means
>it.  And he's not here, to put it bluntly, in "official capacity"--he
>doesn't represent C=, neither do the other C= employees who happen to
>coexist with the rest of the usenet.  His facts are no less credible
>than those given by Marc Barrett.

Maybe is credible if he says something, but he say nothing. He's here for
what? If he not represent C=, he have to remove this from his address. If C=
employees form a distinc society, i suggest a newsgroup
comp.cbm.employee.distinct.society.secret. His facts where you see facts?

>My advice to you is to not believe anything you read without
>considering the facts.  And people that WORK at C= are more likely
>going to be much more credible about the facts they divulge--they get
>their facts about their company at the source.  Anything Marc knows
>about C= he knows either through rumors and press releases, which he
>speaks of, or through developer's channels, which he does not speak
>of, and cannot.

Sorry but another time where is the CBM facts???
Gail Wellington is out. This is a fact from MB do you believe this one?
Repeat after me "Only CBM is credible".

>And nobody is impartial.  Nobody is innocent.  And these days, nobody
>is intelligent.  :)

Talk for you.

>Greg

PS: Sometimes you put your intervention in the middle of sentence inside a
paragraph, are you releted with the indentation routine for ProPage? :)
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