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From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Economics and Nuclear Programs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:06:09 GMT

It was stated by one of our sapient friends from the other side of Wagah 
that:

  As you know whole of Pakistan is Economically Bankrupt and is still
  continuing with this Nuclear madness.

Far be it for me to challenge such statements so well-grounded in  fact.
However, I did come accross the following news report and  I  thought  I
I would share it with you:

            India's nuclear power program hit by economic crisis
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- India's economic crisis has slowed down its
ambitious commercial nuclear power construction program, according to
the official heading that program.
        ``The nuclear program will be definitely slower, but it won't come to
a screeching halt,'' Atomic Energy Commission Chairman P.K. Iyengar was
quoted by Indian media reports Monday as saying.
        India currently is engaged in building five commercial nuclear power
reactors and has plans to start work on seven more later this decade.
The Indian construction program is the largest in the world after
Japan's.
        Last Thursday, India's ninth commercial atomic power reactor began
operating at Kakrapar in the western Indian state of Gujarat.
        Iyengar said the government had released only $53 million of the $318
million earmarked for the atomic power industry by national planners,
and the state-owned Nuclear Power Corporation now was confronting a
major resource crisis.
        The corporation was not financially strong to borrow funds at
commercial rates, Iyengar said.
        The Indian nuclear power program currently contributes 2 percent to
the country's total electricity production.
        Even before the economic crisis hit India last year, few analysts
believed that the program could achieve its ambitious goal of raising
its contribution to 10 percent by the end of this decade.
        The Indian program has been troubled by project completion delays,
cost overruns and technical problems including those relating to the
supply of components.




Please direct all flames to UPI.

Kamal Mubarak.

--
That we but teach bloody instructions
Which being taught return to plague the inventer.
This even-handed justice commends the ingredients of our
Poisoned chalice to our own lips.
                              Macbeth
                              Shakespeare
--
From: asiddiqu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ali Siddiqui)
Subject: Re: test
Summary: Test:
Keywords: Test, and test more.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:56:16 GMT


>unless you are looking for me, in which case your curiosity
>paid off.......

>Khurram Afridi
>kka@philabs.philips.com

KK,

This address does not work!! 

Send me your new phone number? I need to restart my crank
calls to you.

Ali.
From: nmirza@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: FLOOD IN PAKISTAN
Summary: DISTRUCTION MADE BY RECENT FLOOD.
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:44:10 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

FLOOD  IN PAKISTAN
  DOES  ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT RECENT FLOOD SITUATION IN PAKITAN?
  ACCORDING TO CNN 1700 PEOPLE DIED. MOSTLY IN EAST PUNJAB.
  ACCORDING TO A CALL FROM PAKISTAN THIS HAPPEND BECAUSE OF THE
  HIGH WATER LEVEL IN MANGLA DAM. MOST OF THE SMALL BRIDGES
  HAS BROKEN DOWN. NOW THE WATER IS MOVING TOWARDS MULTAN, BAHAWALPUR
  AND SIND.
     
  PLEASE UPDATE THIS ITEM.
  PRAY FOR THE VICTOMS.
  MAY ALLAH PROTECT EVERYBODY FROM THIS KIND OF DISTRUCTION.
   
 
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: Re: A Rousing Wellcome
Summary: Influence of $$$ not of revolution 
Keywords: Islamic revolution, Petro-$$$
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:05:29 GMT

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Subject: A Rousing Wellcome
  
>Thousands of people turned out to greet President Rafsanjani of
>Islamic Republic of Iran as he arrived in the Pakistani capital
>Islamabad.........
>
>This great and historic reception is evidence of growing influence of 
>Islamic Revolution in abroad. .......

Well, miracle of petro-dollars works works all the time!!

>regards,
>
>Asad.   

BTW, I like Rafsanjani.

Arshad Hussaain


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULTS
Summary: I dont think it has anything to do with virginity !
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:27:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.202235.25081@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep4.104938.11749@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@wiener.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
> >SUMMARY OF SOME OLD PAGAN CULTS 
> >
> >ATHUS:  Mediterranean Area.  2-3 Thousand years ago.  
> >Born to a virgin with a name Nana.  Called only begotten 
> >
> >ADAMUS:  Known to Greeks, Babylonians.  Born to a virgin.  
> >Called 'Savior of Syria'.  He suffered death for the
> >
> >DYANISHES or BAKUS:  Greek god.  Born to a virgin with 
> >a name Dematur.  Only begotten son of Jupiter.  
> >
> >OSIRUS:  Egyptian god.  Born to a virgin with a name 
> >'Virgin of the World'.  Born on December 25th.  
> >
> >MITHRUS:  Mediterranean god, sun-god of Persians.  
> >Born to a virgin.  Perfect prototype of Jesus Christ 
> >
> 
> Notice that all of them are born to virgins. IMO, ancient
> societies had the same hangup about sex and virginity that 
> most conservative societies have even today. 
> 
> Anyone who was given the title of 'prophet' had to be PURE 
> in every respect. The biographers of these prophets would 
> dare not slander them in anyway. Even their mothers could 
> not be slandered.  Only eulogies would be acceptable. 
> 
> Hence, the first and foremost thing that comes into their 
> mind is "Aha..he must have been born to a virgin mother". 
> While people may debate all they want on how it is biologically
> possible for a virgin to give birth, they should perhaps 
> ponder on the reasons why these mothers were virgins in the 
> first place ?  Were their husbands impotent ?  Gay ? 
> 
Gopal Bhai:

 I dont think it has anything to do with the hangup about sex 
or virginity. (IMHO)

 It has something to do with avoiding the chicken and egg
question!

 All gods were born without fathers or mothers or both, otherwise
the problems of who gave birth to parents will arise.

 In ancient societies (like in many societies today), women's
position was of little consequence in the process of making
gods. (note the word MAKE).  This may explain, why there was no
uproar about from where the female came ! Also there is a concept
of a THE FIRST MOTHER, to get rid of the chicken egg question.

 This is very similar to  traditional religions,  where 
the question, from where the
god came is avoided by defining god in a special way. 

 If you read Joseph Cambell's works, he noticed these similarities
in many ancient cultures.

regards,

-Naveed 

PS: If you ask me, I would say, this is an attempt by the
ancient folks to explain the environment to the best of THEIR
capabilities.  They included their baises where ever they could.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aam9n@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Ali Ahmad Minai)
Subject: Re: terminator n+1 : Memo from Hell ;-)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:57:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.171717.13324@ncsu.edu> szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.170801.3545@athena.mit.edu>, anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
>
>stuff deleted....
>
>|> 	ADIL [humm ko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat, laikin
>|> 	      dill kay kush rakhnay ko Ghalib, yeh khial aacha hai] NAJAM
>
>Again, I take exception. The shayr is supposed to go like this:
>
>	Humm  ko  maaloom hai  jannat  ki haqeeqat, laikin
>	dill kay bahlanay ko Ghalib, yeh khayal achcha hay

And, once again, the original posting had it right. It is "dil ke
khush rakhhnay ko ghaalib ye khayaal acchhaa hai".

Ali Minai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Mathematics, logic and religion          
Summary: Please treat people like theorems !
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:18:24 GMT

        PEOPLE AND THEOREMS
        -------------------

It took me some 5 years to understand the REAL difference between
mathematics/logic/science and religion. In this short post, I 
will express my opinion about the difference.

In mathematics/logic/science, when we see a theorem, we like to check its
prrof or use it to complete other proofs. We may ask the
question, who wrote the theorem, but that is never very important.
The fact that the thoerem is written by Newton or a entering grad
student is not important. 

In religion/art/life-at-large, a saying/painting/action has value
with respect to its orginator. A painting may be worth millions of
dollars if everybody THOUGHT that it is an original Picasso. It may
lose all its value if it is discovered that it was a fake. Now that
paiting is probabaly very good, but still it carries little value
since its painter has little value.


In terms of religion, it should not be important who said what.
What is important is WHAT WAS SAID ? 

Should we worry a lot about Mohd[pbuh] said this and said that ?

or 

Should we worry about what is so good or bad about what he said ? 

If we take the second route, then we open our eyes to other great
people like Mohd[phub] and listen to them as well. Listening to Mohd[pbuh]
is good but listening to as many people as possible is great! 

A hindu crticizing Islam or a muslim criticizing Islam should
make no difference. We should simply look at what is the criticism (sp?).

However learning to focus on what is being said is very difficult, as
I am sure most of you already know.

I have found most people like to form boxes in life. They partition
all the people according to boxes. In this way they dont have deal with
the full complexity of life. They have a white box and black box and
the discriminate on color. They have a nationality box and they 
discriminate on national origins. Some also have a box labelled MUSLIM. 
To them, there are muslims and there are non-muslims ? They dont want
to know who is naveed, who is gopal, what arun has to say and what irfan
is angry about ? 

If we deal with each person, one at a time, it is HARD, but it is very 
rewarding. It is hard to forget their background, their clothes, their
style, but we have to. We must concentrate what are they saying. 

I deal with each theorem one at a time, and I thing that is 
very rewarding also.  

If only we can deal with people as they were theorems ?

regards,

-Naveed

PS: This discussion applies to all religions, please read my references to
Islam and Mohd as mere examples.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ravid@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Ravi Dronamraju )
Subject: Re: August 14'.. (There is a nice book...)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:41:44 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Sep4.121751.17616@cc.uow.edu.au>, by g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh):
> i000@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> (stuff deleated of reference article)
> 
>>  HISTORY IS NOT Re-CREATED BY WRITING BOOKS :-)
>>  IT HAPPENS.  YOU ONLY LEARN AND TRY TO UNDO IT 
>>  if any HISTORICAL ERRORS TAKE PLACE ! :-)
> 
> 
> History is history.
> 
> It is past.
> 
> It cannot be undo.
> 
> If you think creation of Pakistan is a historical error then
> what were the cause of it.
 what do u think are the causes of it?? 

-Ravi


> 
> If India has learnt anything from the creation of PAkistan is to
> repeat the same mistake. The answer is in hand : Sikhs are asking Khalistan.



> 
> 
> Bye
> Adil
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: 200,000 Muslims killed in Daccan??
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:34:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
>Subject: Re: The End of an Era; The Seventh Nizam of Hyderabad

>khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>>Off the battlefield, the Muslim community fell before a massive 
>>and brutal blow, the devastation of which left those who did survive
>>reeling in bewildered fear. About 200,000( 2 lakh) muslims were
>>massacred.
>
>Do you have any reference for this?  This is the first time I have
>heard this.  

Me too!!!!

>-- Milind Saraph

Arshad Hussain
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gulati@access.digex.com (Raj K. Gulati)
Subject: Is there a scp FAQ?
Reply-To: gulati@access.digex.com
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 07:26:05 GMT

Hi,

Is there a frequently asked questions posting for this group. If so,
how can I get a copy?


-- 
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 Washington Street, Rockville, MD 20850, USA. [QK: RAJ@GEIS] 1-(301)-340-5204
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Cheapest airfare to KHI is $1023 so far, any better ??
Summary: cheapest way to go home
Keywords: cheapest way to get home ?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:18:35 GMT



  Hiya all Paki Kooooooool Doooooooooooooooooooooooods !
  
  The cheapest way to get home is via Gulf Air at $1023 (tax included).
  The deal is from Hightime Travels in N.Y  
  Their number is : (212) 684-7700
  Talk to Nuzhat. Tell her Mubashir from Mississippi sent you.
  Maybe she'll give me a discount for that :)
  
 This is quite a good deal for anybody who's wishing to stop on the way
 e.g: London, France etc. its a free stop, unlike PIA.
 I did travel by United/Gulf last year and contrary to the popular belief 
 found their service to be marvellous.

 I for some reason am hesitant to travel in an airline whose air hostesses
 think of themselves as beauty Queens. ( PIA is an example ) 


Mubashir.
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Real People
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:08:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


 What is the definition of a real man?

 One who can carry two cups of coffee and six donuts at the same time....

 And How about a real woman?

 One who can eat the last donut!!!!

 Mansoor Khan
 Cleveland, Ohio.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ravid@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Ravi Dronamraju )
Subject: Re: Bharat's (India's) Ballistic Missile Program !
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:07:19 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <29AUG199211252623@iago.caltech.edu>, by mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL):
> Xref: nntp-server.caltech.edu clari.news.military:7762 clari.news.gov.international:27036
> Path: nntp-server.caltech.edu!lll-winken!decwrl!looking!clarinews
> From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
> Newsgroups: clari.news.military,clari.news.gov.international
> Subject: India test-fires its short-range missile again
> Keywords: international, military weapons, military, non-usa government,
> 	government
> Message-ID: <india-missileU2aT845ae@clarinet.com>
> Date: 29 Aug 92 12:46:11 GMT
> Lines: 31
> Approved: clarinews@clarinet.com
> Location: india
> ACategory: international
> Slugword: india-missile
> Priority: regular
> Format: regular
> ANPA: Wc: 308; Id: z1937; Sel: iiimw; Adate: 8-29-845aed
> Codes: &imwrii., yigfrxx., tncn....
> 
> 
>      How long Pakistan is going to keep its eyes shut towards Bharat's
>      Nuclear-Capable Ballistic Missile Program? 
> 
>      This morning's news mentions Bharat(India) carrying out a second 
>      test this month for short-range nuclear-capable ballistic missle,Prithvi. 
>      Quotes: 
> 
> 	"The Prithvi has been developed as a deterrent against Pakistan, while
> the Agni has been designed to strike targets deep inside China."
> 
>      Bharat (India) was the sixth country in 1974 to denote nuclear device.
>      Prithvi & Agni are nuclear capable.
>      Prithvi: payload one-ton, range 150 miles, production begins 1993
>      Agni   : payload over one-ton, range 1500 miles,production begins 1995
>      Trishul: Ground-to-air Missile, in production.
>      Akash  : An anti-tactical missile, in production.
>      Nag    : An anti-tack rocket, in production.
> 
>      This is not an exhaustive list, one wonders;
> 
>      1. Why our friendly neighbor is so keen on stock piling long range
>         missiles when it already has superiority of 4-7 times in military?
> 
>      2. Why everyone is blind to such an aggressive nuclear program while
>         there is an uproar because a canadian Pakistani was found with a 	
>         'triggering switch?' Among thousands of applications, it can possibly
>         be used in a nuclear power plant.
> 
>      [One should be careful and not be found with a pen or paper either,
>       it can possibly be used at some where inside a nuclear plant ;)   ]
> 
> 
> Asim Mughal
> 
> [Standard Disclaimer]

i understand your fears. I feel what u say is totally justifiable. 
But i think arms build up on both sides prevents actual war. 

The point is that, india is not dependant on anybody for its military 
strength, where as Pakistan is. So , Pakistan is answerable to somebody
but india is not

-Ravi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: A Rousing Wellcome
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:06:58 GMT

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Subject: A Rousing Wellcome
  
>Thousands of people turned out to greet President Rafsanjani of
>Islamic Republic of Iran as he arrived in the Pakistani capital
>Islamabad.........
>
>This great and historic reception is evidence of growing influence of 
>Islamic Revolution in abroad. .......

Well, miracle of petro-dollars works all the time!!

>regards,
>
>Asad.   

BTW, I like Rafsanjani.

Arshad Hussaain


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,usc.general,la.general
Subject: VITAL SIGNS CONCERT
Date: 13 Sep 1992 01:16:30 -0700
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: 14th August (How to UNITE this divided NATION)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:46:17 GMT

indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

>   So it is that question
>   which we should look at. Our nation having thousands of years of Past is
>   divided. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THIS NATION BACK TO ITS GLORY.
>   Forget all these Jinnahs and Muslim Leagues. THESE ARE NEITHER OUR WAY OF
>   LIFE NOR MODE OF THINKING.  

Absolutely. I agree completely. We need to go back to the time when are borders
were the largest and we were in our greatest glory. We need to return to the
days of our greatest ruler: Alamgir Aurangzeb.  :-)

-hd
stolen .sig of the day:
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evel:  for I am the meanest mother in the valley.
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistani students in trouble
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:53:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca


			Pakistani students in trouble

	This reminds me of similar things which happened in NJIT, where the
victims were mainly Indians and Pakistanis. One of the faculty who was in
the admissions committee (and was of South Asian origin) used to make a
trip every year to India, Pakistan and other countries. His main target
(at least in India) was the "unrecognized" engineering colleges whose
graduates are generally not considered for jobs in government service or
most private companies. The deal was simple-you would be given admission
and financial aid-but only if you paid half the amount to the said professor.
	This scam went on for a few years. Finally someone complained and
this person was sentenced recently. He was also ordered to repay something
like $200,000 to the students who were swindled.
	These details have been reported in various Indo-American papers
over the last couple of years.
	Now, if some kind of underhand deal was involved at ASU, it may be
not be feasible for the students to make much noise since they have also
committed a fraud. If they have got admission honestly, then they can certainly
complain to the INS and possibly to the police as this constitutes illegal
confinement. However, the first step is to get a good lawyer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Subject: Re: Is there a scp FAQ? A: You kiddin'?!
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 06:10:53 GMT

In article <dogar.715968347@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
>       Likely candidates are Secularism vs. Islam, India vs. Pak over
>       Kashmir, Ahmadiyyat, Javed Miandad vs. Imran Khan :-) :-) :-)
 
 ... and my personal favorite overused post :"lets not talk about Islam anymore"


>"We don't serve your country don't serve your King."
>                      -Midnight Oil

...and
"Rasta don't work for no CIA" :-)
j n a.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ravid@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Ravi Dronamraju )
Subject: Re: 14th August (How to UNITE this divided NATION)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:49:59 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <dogar.716489177@opal4>, by dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar):
> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> 
>>   So it is that question
>>   which we should look at. Our nation having thousands of years of Past is
>>   divided. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THIS NATION BACK TO ITS GLORY.
>>   Forget all these Jinnahs and Muslim Leagues. THESE ARE NEITHER OUR WAY OF
>>   LIFE NOR MODE OF THINKING.  
> 
> Absolutely. I agree completely. We need to go back to the time when are borders
> were the largest and we were in our greatest glory. We need to return to the
> days of our greatest ruler: Alamgir Aurangzeb.  :-)

every ruler in the Moghul Dynasty  had a major contribution in uniting 
India and Aurangazeb deserves his share of credit for building India 
as we had in 1945. 
But i differ from u in giving him the title of greatest ruler, 
for he oppressed his subjects and forced them to change their
beliefs. 



-Ravi

> 
> -hd
> stolen .sig of the day:
> Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
> I will fear no evel:  for I am the meanest mother in the valley.
> 
>