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From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: wet suits
Keywords: wet suit
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:15:45 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

In article <moni.717867870@lexus>, moni@siemens.com. (Monica Hutchins) writes:
> My wet suit jacket is just a little too tight.  Its fits
> perfect around the wrists and waist, but it constricts 
> my arms too much.  I suffer "wetsuit fatigue" in about 
> 15 minutes. (If I then use my jacket as a mast base protector,
> I can sail another couple of hours. Yesterday (in New Jersey) was 
> awesome).
> 
> Has anyone attempted to stretch a wet suit? Or do I have to just give 
> up on it and buy a drysuit?
> 
> (Could someone mail me a summary of the Ronny Rollover discussion? Thanks)

I tried to email but siemens.com is an unknown UUCP host. Here was my reply:

Hi Monica.

There is no way to stretch your wetsuit. My advise would be to check out
the O'Neill drysuit (oasis). It has oversized arms and shoulders. I use
mine in full wetsuit weather. As a matter of fact I used it this week in
NJ. I have an old jacket which I used a couple times but the arms are
tight and I get cramps easily. I'd rather use the drysuit even in 60 degree
weather. I was very comfortable this week while others were cold in their
full wetsuits.

Ronny suits are also tight and are thinner than the oasis. They tend to
tear easily which is why I decided against it.

PS: NJ was honking this week. The last three days were sub 5.0! Not to
mention the great three days last week.

-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:06:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Board weight and planing
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>One of my sailing friends tells me that taking five pounds off the board
>will help induce early planing a lot more than taking five pounds off
>the sailor.  I agree with him but don't really understand the physics of
>the situation.  Does someone out there know how to explain this?
>Thanks.
>
>Brad Betts
----------
Think of the sailor as "movable ballast" or "sprung weight" and the board as
a mass with drag that must be pushed through the water.  Force is applied by
the sailor pumping a sail.  If a sailor looses weight and has no change in
strength, then he/she will be able to pump onto a plane easier.  From
experience, if the board is 5 lbs lighter then it is much easier to pump
onto a plane than it is to do so with a 20 lb sailor weight loss and the
heavier board.

If the sailor is static (i.e. just sits there waiting for a puff) then
being lighter is better.

Kirk out
From: dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:59:50 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

>(Tom Albertz) writes:
>>(Janusz Mrozek) writes:
>>>(Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>>>I like the good race sails as they seem to have a good, wide range ...
>>So I'm confused.  I thought that race sails have a narrower, not a wider,
>>wind range than intermediate sails, and that's why one needs more of them. 
>>Am I just wrong?
>I'm afraid you are wrong.  Race sails handle a wider wind range than
>rec sails.  They hold their shape better; don't deform in the gusts,
>etc.

"Race sails handle a wider range than rec sails"?

Okay, I'm getting confused. I thought the latest design in sails was the
flat pre-twisted leech which is supposed to spill excess wind in gusts.
Are these these the designs referred to as "intermediate"?
Do the pure "race" sails have more rigid shape up top, which prevents escape
of wind during gusts?
If so, then how do they end up being faster? I thought it was recently 
discovered that lots of shape up high resulted in more wind friction which 
caused a low top end in regards to speed.

Please excuse these questions if they seem naive. I'm trying to understand my
new Northwave PRX sails compared to my old Trilites and Slaloms. I'm not very 
familiar with Northwave's top of the line RX sails other than they have more 
cambers to deal with and use lighter material. Is it that stiffer rigid-foil
sails remain faster, regardless of all the shape, but are harder to control 
in gusty conditions?

So if this shapely race design is more powerful, how can they handle a wider
range? It seems the sails that spill gusts would be more suited for a wider
range because they're easier to control, but would result in lower speed.

Maybe what you actually mean is

"Race sailors can handle a wider rage than rec sailors"

because race sailors are used to the rigors of controlling rigid-foil race
sails?

-dan
(doing more musing than sailing, unfortunately)
From: dk@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (David Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Trade Show In San Francisco?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:39:04 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)

Here is the data I have for the show from the fall issue of  
"WINDSURFING CALIFORNIA" :
                          Oct 9 from 6-10:00 pm
                          Fort Mason Pier Center
                          10$ admission fee
For more info call 415-383-6207, I think there is some sort of party
planned as well.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek)
Subject: Trade Show Details
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:43:59 GMT

People have e-mailed me asking for details, so I brought the magazine ad
in (Windsurfing CA  Fall92).

Friday, October 9  6pm to 10pm (on the weekend it's dealers and such only)
$10 admission includes door prize and refreshments
Fort Mason, San Francisco (between Crissy and Fishermen's Wharf)
Info: 415 383 6207  Bridgitte Brigham
Travel Arrangements: 415 388 9335 Chris Petersen

Janusz Mrozek   janusz@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: travis@athena.mit.edu (Richard T Atkins)
Subject: Flying Fat Fakie
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:50:22 GMT

This is in reference to the pevious post about jumping and how it applies to
whick side of the board your are on.

I surf, skate, and shred and sailboard. In the first three sports there are two
positions you can take standing on the board. You are either Regular-Footed
(left foot foward), or Goofy-footed (Right foot foward). This obviously doesn't
apply to sailboarding, since you must be on both sides of the sail. However your
body (and mind) still have a preference for one foot to be foward, and the
comfortableness with that position lets you land airs in that positons easier.

To find out if you are goofy or regular, I have simple test. Mark a line on the
ground. Then run up and jump past this line. Petend that when you land you are
landing on a massive sheet of ice and that you are going to try to slide as far
as possible. Look at the way you landed, which foot is foward? That is the foot
that should be foward on the board, and hence the stance you prefer.

You may have seen both skaters and shreders riding their boards backwards,
effectivly switching their stance from regular to goofy, or goofy to regular.
Riding backwards like this is called riding "Fakie". When I first started to
learn to ride fakie, it was not as difficult as it was uncomfortable. So I would
spend entire days skating the ramp fakie, or shreding down the slopes fakie,
until I was comfortable with it.

So the moral to this story, just like every other story, is: Practice, practice,
practice!

travis@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: dueckc@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Gorge Ken Winner Speed Trials
Reply-To: dueckc@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:48:39 GMT

I was in Vancouver on September 24 and I dropped in (I called first...)
to see Rob Mulder at Robert's High Performance Sailboards.  Rob was
frantically putting the finishing touches on a wicked little speed board since
a big blow was being forecasted for the Gorge and he wanted to be there for
a crack at 55 mph on the Ken Winner speed course.

Anybody hear what happened in this regard?  Up 'till the time we talked, 
Rob Mulder's best time was 48.8 mph and his pal Bruce Peterson's best time 
was 50.2 mph (if I recall correctly...).  Both were using stock Sailworks sails
and Peterson's time might have been on a stock Roberts 8'6'' slalom board 
(I'm quite sure that's what I heard).

If anyone has heard more, I would like to hear about it...


Randy Dueck
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: BIC Adagio comments??
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:48:36 GMT
Keywords: BIC Adagio

In article <BvD3LA.EH5@sti.com> westes@sti.com (Will Estes) writes:
>In article <price.717686708@helios> price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>>I'm planning on getting a new board. for financial reasons and local dealer
>>availablility, it will probably be a BIC. I currently sail an Astro Rock and
>>what I'm looking for is a board that will be happier in higher winds and some
>>chop. 
>>
>>My choices seem to be the Adagio and the E-rock. The e-rock is the more
>>popular, but the Adagio is advertized as somewhat faster??
>
>The E-rock is a recreational board, whereas the Adagio is more of a
>racer's board.  The Adagio is definitely faster, but the main advantage
>I found is that it handles chop much better.  The Electric Rock tends to
>bounce more, whereas the Adagio just plows right over chop very
>smoothly.  

On the other hand the E-rock is better in waves. The adagio was created for 
racers who want one board to race with instead of owning two for different
conditions. The adagio falls right in between the two sizes of choice. Example,
the RAP is 8'6 great for high wind racing. The Presto is 9'2 great for
medium to light winds. The adagio is 8'10 right between the two.

>
>Supposedly, next year's Bic line includes another 8'10" board, but it's
>going to be something like an Electric that has been redesigned for
>racers.  Personally, I'm hoping that it will be more of an 8'10" bump
>and jump with decent speed.  The new board will have the new Powerbox fin box,
>whereas the Electric Rock still uses the older fin box.

That is the Tempo. It has a tail rocker which makes it a bump and jump 
board instead of a racing machine. Race boards are very flat at the bottom
which gives them their high top end speed. The tail rocker makes the tempo
a great bump and jibe (jump) board. It will have good speed as well but
not in line with race boards. It seems to be a better E-rock.


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:16:22 GMT
Subject: SF Bay Area wind/weather information by e-mail
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
From: jaime@netcom.com (Jaime Cordera)
Subject: Re: Regripping booms
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:33:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.191157.8475@ryn.mro4.dec.com> stu@otop23.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>With the seasons end comming near and a fairly abusive summer passed,
>I have decided to regrip my booms.
>
>Does anyone have any comments or recommendations onto 
>1) how to strip the ripped/trashed progrip off of my chinook booms.
>2) tips on putting on new grip
>3) recommendations regarding brands of boom grip (is there anything 
>other than progrip?)
Both Windsurfing Hawaii and Da Kine offer regrip kits. Also, there is a guy
in the Gorge who will do them for you, sell you new booms or sell you the
regrip kit ("Booms from Hale" -- Tom Hale), so you have some choices. Don't
lnow yet how different they are technically, but you got some "stylin" colors
to choose from, at least. I'm planning on doing at least one set of booms
this winter and probably two pair.
>
>The last time I did this was to old f2 and Windsurfing booms that had
>vulcanized rubber on them that had such a good grip it would rip your
>hands down to the wood within a few hours of sailing :)
>
>In the old days, the process was to use contact cement, start in the
>inside of the booms in the center of the grip, overlap one edge and
>file the outside edge down to the inside one.  This would result in an ugly 
>seam on the outside of the boom but it worked well.
>
>Has anything changed?

Haven't read the instructions yet but... what you said roughly corresponds 
with what Tom Hale said in an article describing boom regrips in one of the
local regional rags.
>
If you are interested, I can try to look up the article, but it might take 
me a while.

Good Luck !!

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jaime Cordera                                                  jaime@netcom.com
6'0"" 200lbs
9'4" Bic A. Rock, 9'0" ASD slalom, 8'8" ASD Wave, Waddell Race and Surf/Slalom
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: '89 Mistral Screamer for sale
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Distribution: ca
Keywords: FOR SALE


'89 Mistral Screamer for sale, $550

Used <12 times by a 120 lb. person at a sailing site with a sandy bottom, this 
board is in excellent shape -  no dings or dents.  It's a 9'2" DCS construction board with 205 lbs. of bouyancy (103 litre displacement).

I have reached the conclusion that a 8'6" sinker board is the right one for a 
woman my size.  I havenUt sailed this board in over a year.  This board is 
great for a 150-180ish man, but it's way too floaty for me.  It's time for me 
to clear out some more space in my garage.  So I'm selling it for 
$550 (hull & footstraps only).

For more info, respond to this account or call Mary at (510) 975-4519 (days).

(Posting for a friend:-))
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:48:39 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

>   Yeah.  I really wonder why people post "For Sale" ads in here at all.
>Like I am really going to buy a used board or sail from somebody in
>New Jersey, Colorado, or Bay Area.
>
>   C'mon, people, make use of the "Distribution:" part at the top, and limit
>the for sale stuff to your local area.
>-- 
>    Steve McCarthy, speaking solo por mio       | "I'm not a C programmer,
>----------
Some of us don't have Dist lists.  We all have access to UPS (in the USA).
I just bought a sail from someone on the net from several states away and I've
sold sails to people on the net several states away so to others:
PLEASE don't limit FOR_SALE adds with a distribution list.  People like
Steve can just use the old "skip" key. 8)

Kirk out
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:45:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Trade Show In San Francisco?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, westes@sti.com (Will Estes) writes:

> Someone recently told me that there is a trade show coming to San
> Francisco for windsurfing.  Can someone post details and a contact phone
> number?

	AWIA Trade Show - 10/8 thru 10/10, Fort Mason Festival Pavillion.
	Open to the Public Friday, 10/9, 6PM to 10PM, $10.
	Contact Bridgette, 415-383-6207 fo mo.

	See ya there!
From: geoff@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Geoff Caras)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Stuff for SALE...
Keywords: sail sale board
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:20:54 GMT
Distribution: na


For SALE:

3 Sails:

	GAASTRA SlalomFoil 5.0
	2 Cams
	its in excellent shape
	luff 14'7"
	boom  5'9"
	Blue mast pocket sail is pink and yellow

	Hardly used!
	Best offer....
	------------------
	Gaastra Speed Slalom 6.4
	2 cams (sippered into sleeve)
	luff 16'3"
	boom 6'11"
	purple pink yellow
	only used 2-3 times! like new condition
	Best offer....
	-----------------
	Waddell surf slalom 5.3
	good condition, has a repair patch.
	Best offer....
	-----------------

1 Board:

	Fanatic Lite Viper 11'4" in excellent condition,
	with centerboard.

	This was my transition board (I weigh 260lbs!) I could uphaul
	on this board. ie: if I can you can! I never used the centerboard
	the straps and fin are in good shape. The cup is ready to bolt onto
	your base (or I have a 6" base I'll toss in...)

	This is a great all around fun board!
	$500 or best offer...

Geoff Caras
voice		408.475.8194
fax		408.475.8193
voicemail	408.366.3178
internet	igneous@netcom.com
igneous@netcom.com         voice - 408.475.8194              FAX - 408.475.8193
The Igneous Group          Software Project Management   Design   Documentation
                           1744 Foster Court     Santa Cruz, CA      95062-1741
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ttphan2@eos.ncsu.edu (TAN THANH PHAN)
Subject: Re: BIC Adagio comments??
Originator: ttphan2@c00805-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: BIC Adagio
Reply-To: ttphan2@eos.ncsu.edu (TAN THANH PHAN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:40:52 GMT


Can somebody post info on the new BIC Hip Hop wave board?
Thanks.
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: weekend winds
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:14:12 GMT
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

Winds in Wellington, NZ were up to 140 kph (80+mph?) over the weekend
and my son and I were cut off from our home (and my gear!) for about 5
hours as the sea was over the road. When I finally disposed of all 
familly responsibilities and got down to the beach it had dropped to 
about 20 knots and as the biggest sail I had taken was 4.4 I went home :(
... so it goes ...
From: jsgoldma@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeremy Goldman)
Subject: OA
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 21:24:08 GMT

Greetings:
I am a current Life Scout from Troop 18 in Baltimore, MD.  We are a unique
Jewish Troop that are relatively new, and I am one of the first joining
members.  I would like to explain my expiriences on my OA ordeal.

I went to Broadcreek Scout reservation with 2 of my good friends who were
also going for ordeal.  When they split us up into clans, is when trouble
started.  As you probabvly know, food is limited on the weekend, so they
ask if there's any reason we can't eat the food they provide us with.  I
told my Alangamat (spelling?) that I couldn't eat the ham because I keep
kosher.  From then on, he would not stop insulting, making fun, and
mouthing off to me the whole time.  Of course, we weren't supposed to be
speaking, but it seemed that our alangamat really didn't care about that. 
When my friends and I met up, we all said the same thing; that their is
way to much anti-semetism going on.  This created a big problem.  First of
all, their is no room for ANY antisemetism in the world of scouting, even
more so in Order of the Arrow.  After the weekend, we ended up having a
meeting with the chapter chief, my scoutmaster, the camp director, and few
other VIP's.  It turned out ok, and I ended up getting apology notes from
all the alangamats, and other scouts who caused trouble.

This weekend really bothers me, because I expected the best if the best
kids to be in OA, but I learned differently.  As a 14 year old scout, I
know that OA elections are much more a popularity contest, than meaningful
elections.  What are your feelings on this event?

   WWW,
   Jeremy Goldman
   Troop 18 --> Owings Mills, JCC i

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Jesus vs. Cub Scouts?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:15:36 GMT

anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:

[...]
>While one persons' religion may state that they are the only, the one
>true way,

I agree.

>for them to be scouts they must also learn to respect other religions,

I agree.

>an[d] realize that they may indeed be wrong, or correct,

I disagree.

>but that each individual may choose his/her own religious beliefs.

I agree.

I don't think that respect of another's religious beliefs requires a
belief that he or she might be right. All it requires is a belief that
everyone should be free to believe what they wish.

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
Subject: Re: Jesus vs. Scouts Final Chapter!
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:28:31 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:
> 
> BTW, I have now been "promoted" to den leader as everyone else has backed
> out!  HELP!!!

In the Dens my sons were in we always had one parent (other than the Den
Leader) plan and conduct the activities at each meeting.  The Den Leader
did the opening and closing and helped with the activity.  This method
worked well since we didn't put the whole load on one person.  Since there
were usually about 8 boys, each parent was responsible for a meeting once
every two months.  This always seemed to me to be little enough to ask of
a parent, but over the years we had parents who objected to this arrangement
and dropped out with their sons.  I hate to see boys drop out since I think
the program can be very beneficial to boys, but at the same time I think that
every boys parent(s) need to be involved at least a little bit.  If parents
refuse to help out I don't lose any sleep out of their leaving.

Dan Kary
Newsgroups: rec.scouting