From: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt)
Subject: over and over and over ...
Originator: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:17:44 GMT


The following sections contain Creationist's "points" which have been
extensively covered (and rebutted) primarily in talk.origins.

To see the entire rebuttals, either look in talk.origins for the posting with
the indicated subject line or ask me, please supplying a valid path
for email in your request.


Astronomy and Origins
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}  - Helmholtz's contraction theory says the sun is < 20,000,000 years. 
}  - Sun is shrinking by ~5 feet per hour. 
}  - Lunar dust--only 1 to 3 inches, not 54 feet. 
}  - Deterioration of earth's magnetic field
}  - Atmospheric helium should have built up  
}  - Receding moon would have been touching earth  
}  - All comets would have disintegrated after 10,000 years. 
}  - galaxy formation.
)  - biblical cosmology

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Religion and creation
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}Creationism deserves equal time because evolution is only a theory.
}The doctrine of evolution is atheistic and therefore immoral. 
}Competition for survival implies "strife, hatred, war, and death."
}The great complexity of nature shows it was designed.
}The Bible says so.
}The Bible is accurate on other points, so it must be accurate on creation.
}(referring to a genesis "day")
}Later Biblical characters (Moses & Paul) refer to the fact of creation
}Even Jesus Christ believed in the Genesis record of creation.
}It is imposssible to believe the Bible and to believe in evolution. 
}it is almost impossible to believe in God if one believes in evolution.
}many evil social doctrines it has spawned.
}Fall of man:  Records say civilization was man's original condition. 
}Place of man's origin:  Evidence confirms origin in one locality. 
}Order of events in creation matches what an observer would have seen:
}Earth is unsupported (Job 26:7) 
}Earth is round (Isaiah 40:22) 
}Water cycle is described (Eccl. 1:7) 
}History is accurate. 
}The Bible is harmonious throughout. 
}Numerous prophecies fulfilled. 
}Religion's views on creationism:
}The Bible Has Two Creation Stories
}bible is always right

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Fossil and creation
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}There are gaps in fossil record
} Oldest living things
}Man and dinosaurs coexisted.
}The suddenness with which major changes 
}Many extinctions lack obvious reasons. 
}"carcasses deposited in icy mucky dumps" 
}evidence of rapid removal and deposition of soil, forest in arctic. 

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Geology and creation
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}There are gaps in fossil record 
}Methods of dating the earth are inaccurate.
}K-Ar dating of Hawaiian lava is wildly inaccurate.
}Erosion should've dumped at least 30 times more sediment in the sea. 
}Top soil
}Mississippi delta would have formed in 5000 years. 
}Niagara Falls-the rim is wearing back 
}Deterioration of earth's magnetic field
}Not enough dissolved minerals in oceans. 
}Other "geological clocks" that suggest a "young" earth
}Polonium halos 
}The animals couldn't have distributed themselves all over the globe.
}Lewis Overthrust, Northern Montana, Glacier Nat'l Monument. 
}Heart Mountain, north of Cody WY
}Unexplained by uniformitarian model on which the evolutionary model is based
}A near planetary collision 
}Shifting the poles rapidly over Hapgood's waveguide zone 
}"carcasses deposited in icy mucky dumps" 
}evidence of rapid removal and deposition of soil, forest in arctic. 
} the are no layers which require more than 6000 years to build up
}no more fossils being made


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Mathematics and creation
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}rift between mathematicians & biologists
}exponential population growth 
}Various conceivable patterns fail to emerge
}Complexity from Simplicity

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gaps in the fossil record
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} the evidence from the fossil record to support evolution is largely
} missing and that critical gaps indicate a single creation of life
} as it is today.
}The fossil record is incomplete and there are no transitions evident
 
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Physics and creation
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}Creationism deserves equal time
}Evolutionists themselves admit they have no proof
}evolutionists themselves have admitted to flaws in their arguement.
}some scientists don't agree 
}Evolution isn't a science 
}Life is too complex to have happened by chance. 
}Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
}Methods of dating the earth are inaccurate. 
}Radioactive dating can't be calibrated. 
}radioactive decay rates did not remain constant
}the creation of matter or energy is not now taking place,

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Species and creation
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}No new species (alternately, "kinds") are evolving today. 
}Slight variation can't turn one kind into another. 
}Just because two animals LOOK similiar does not mean there is "common ancestor
}Mendelian inheritance says that recessive characters reappear
}Hybrids are infertile, so a newly evolved individual couldn't breed. 
}The animals couldn't have distributed themselves all over the globe. 
}"impossible gulfs" 
}The failure of some organisms to evolve at all.
}No new phyla, classes, or orders have appeared. 
}The occurrence of parallel evolution, in which similiar structures evolve
}Many species have remained absolutely fixed throughout geologic time.
}A great many modern species are very evident degenerate
}All the great phyla appear quite suddenly in the fossil record.
}Selection cannot change the frequency of variants


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Creationist credentials
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 The source of theinformation  on colleges and universities is from
"Bear's Guide to Earning Non-Traditional College Degrees," 10th Ed. Where
used below, the word "Accreditation" refers to accreditation by one of the
recognized Regional Accrediting Agencies, OR by the (legitimate) American
Association of Bible Colleges. California has a three tier system: At the
low end are "Authorized" schools. More highly scrutinized are "Approved"
schools. "Accredited" schools are accredited by the regional Accrediting
Agency.

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James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
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