Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:21:35 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: To S.Turgut (about the "genocides")

Sadi Turgut (sadi@physics1),  I am sorry to say that  you are at least
not informed...
>
> That is great news!  Somebody posts Greeks atrocities in the past un-
> provoked, and somebody got disturbed. And, interestingly this distur-
> bed person is a Greek!

Particularly if he/she considers these events to be lies,  explains  at
lenghts 2 days before what happened during that era... and gets a reply
from bigM with exactly the SAME content & paragraphs. :-(
I think that KELLY should address what I said before moving on & ignor-
ing my reply or write the whole story including the Turkish blame. One
deserves a bit more...                :::::::::::::::::::::::::::

> And, even more interestingly  this is the  same  person who posted an
> "innocent" question  about  Turkey nearly  all over USENET just a few
> weeks ago. And this person

I'am not sure what you mean by "innocent".
The word "question" enables me to see what you are talking about.It was
a simple one and no one is forbidden to request information in a 4-line
text.  There was NOT a single word against Turkey, her football or any-
thing else. I got what a friend of mine requested and that would be all
until it appeared to me that someone said that:  I had written (!)  the
news-article I referred to... That was unacceptable, so I and gave suf-
ficient information just to convince the netters that such a motivation
was out of the question.
But what is really STRANGE is this: Please define "all over USENET"  in
any possible conceptional form you can imagine, compare it to the phra-
se you used and the headings of my posting and  please tell me your re-
sults, whether your statement is justified.            :::::::::::
I bet "all over USENET" is not SCT,SCG,SCE (which are the most familiar
to me and what I considered relevant) !!!    ALL?
I know that Luben Boyanov interfered but this is a whole different iss-
ue & when I thought that things went out of hand I addressed him in SCB
in a semi-friendly way for we were in relatively good terms.
Your statement is really intriguing. I'd appreciate your explanation.
                         ::::::::::      :::::::::::
> a) Asks the reason for such postings.
> b) Is determined to defend the  name of his own country under the gu-
>    ise of defending history.
> c) will defend his country by making charges to some other country.

You do not follow the whole thread of KELLY's postings then. Do you?
B and C are your assumptions.
You can not know what I defend unless I say so :-)
You can not know my position some months ago in the dispute about Basi-
lios II and defending a name of any country. :-(
Anyway, to use the word "genoside"  as KELLY did, that is disingineous:
1821 was hardly that and one can certainly not use it for the Jews.
Please go and see how they "greeted" KELLY in SCJ . :-)
This is "defending history". Saying who was the inhumane, what happened
etc.. No?  That is what I said, so leave "names" aside. (and please re-
ad ALL FOUR responses -unanswered yet- to KELLY for this reason).
   :::::::::::::::::                            :::::::::::::::
With all the respect,  do not bring your dialogue with Andrew Karanico-
las here.  I agree that people should be judged with the same yardstick
and check all 4 postings to convince yourself that this was my attitude
and if this was a genocide then the Turkish one WAS TOO. In several ca-
ses the terms and events did not justify KELLY's title and I pointed it
out only to be ignored. Have you read my 2 initial responses?
I strongly feel that you will reconsider.  ::::::::
Let me know if you want me to re-post them. Personally I am not ashamed
for things I did not do. It is not fair. I am ashamed for mankind but I
am sorry: I was not even born OR there back then .
When I say I defend History, that is only when I have read extensively
on the issue and I believe that certain claims for particular events do
not jusrtify the term "Genocide" and when someone else should complain)

The country of origin of an ancestor of mine is not the issue:  I can
say this for the Aztecs,Indians,Armenians,Jews,Ethiopians,Incas,Mela-
nesians...

> And don't forget: If there are lots of unprovoked articles in sct po-
> sted by people with Greek names, then it is only normal to see unpro-
> voked articles in scg.

Here you are wrong:This originated in other SC's and not in SCG. I felt
that it promoted myths of hate among Turks towards Greeks  and  that is
why I interfered,to set the record straight, as I perceive it and  sup-
porting it with evidense hoping that they are more valid that Shaw.

Yet,I agree with the general idea you are trying to convey in this para-
graph.. I am not against discussing but clearly, KELLY's title, his/her
ignoring my response and all the time I took to compose my answers...
indicated that the purpose was a different one. Not discussion and acce-
pting that somethings were wrong...

The Text should be posted in SCG too! I do not think it was there.
I hope you see my point and the reason I "retaliated" more "forcefully"
I had explained my position slightly before the second text from KELLY.
He/She went on so I gave the "other side of the coin".
You may not want to reconsider but please provide me at least with so-
me answers.

> Sadi Turgut

Andronikos Romanos



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