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From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( )
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Keywords: TERRY DON'T READ THIS
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.182420.17457@wuecl.wustl.edu> kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Ken Cox) writes:
	[stuff deleted]
>
>Now there's an interesting thought...  Surely, on the vast expanse
>of the Discworld, there is room for a Sherlock Holmes parody?  It
>would have to be a murder, SO YOU-KNOW-WHO CAN MAKE HIS MANDATORY
>APPEARANCE, and it could go almost anywhere from there.  But how
>to work in the Librarian?

Oh, no.
Terry's already said that he doesn't want any ideas given to him for DW books.
So this one won't be done.

Therefore, how about the newsgroup alt.fan.pratchett.novel.holmes, where
we do it ourselves?  8-)

We give the Librarian a magnifying glass and a deerstalker cap.  It's all
elementary to *him*, of course, but the rest of the world is quite confused
as our well-learned monk^H^H^H^H ape begins to examine the five hundred
and eighty-four different types of hedgehog dung for possible clues.

No, I better stop.  This could get really bad really fast.

>Ken Cox
>kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu

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From: kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Ken Cox)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:12:03 GMT

In article <37606@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins) writes:
>Page 235 (of the US Roc edition), Windle Poons talks with the Librarian:
>"Mrs. Cake wouldn't like it, though."
>"Eeek oook."
>"You're right. You could have put it a little less coarsely, but
>you're right. Everyone has to sort things out for themselves."

>I suggest that the translation of "Eeek oook" is "It's a dog-eat-dog
>world.

Hmmm.... Maybe I just have a nasty mind, but that's not the
translation that occurred to me.  My immediate thought was
that "oook" meant "her", and "eeek" meant, well, a word with
the same number of letters and the same last letter as "eeek".
It makes sense in the context.

But "dog eat dog" is a good one too.

Ken Cox
kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu


PS:  Is anyone compiling a Librarian/English dictionary?  By
which I mean, a list of all the things that characters have 
claimed the Librarian means by "eeek" and "oook".  There's
one great bit where someone translates an "eeek" into about
three sentences -- I think it was Victor in Moving Pictures.
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:02:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep3.162154.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer) writes:
>
>	Well, I'm also a provincial American, and Rjinswind looks dead-on
>Scandinavian to *me*.  The `Rj' looks like `fjord' after all.

TCoM, page 183 (US Signet edition): "All this was however totally
lost on Dr. Rjinswand, 33, a bachelor, born in Sweden, raised in New
Jersey, " and so on.

Swedish.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley

-- 
  "Windle shook his head sadly. Five      | pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
exclamation marks, the sure sign of an    |  [Not a UCSD employee]
insane mind."                             |
     --Terry Pratchett, _Reaper Man_      |
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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Dog latin
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Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:59:24 +0000

In article <1992Aug26.230857.23249@ugle.unit.no> snh@Lise.Unit.NO (St}le Norman Halvorsen) writes:

>Nihil illegitemo carborundum

Don't let the bastards grind you down.

(Usually "nil illegitimi carborundum", in my experience :-))


>(Gee !  an invisible .sig !!!)

The best kind !


Nick Leverton.
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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:19:58 GMT

ins769v@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Veltyen) writes:

>Wouldn't it be a reference to the geas, out of Sourcery.
>The Geas bird had a unique defense of making any predator laugh so
>hard it had time to get away.

That strikes me as being a rather INTELLIGENT thing to do.

But then, I'm stoopid

Mike
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From: Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0, Oscar
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:31:54 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry) writes:

>According a video tape box, Bette Davis said that from the back it looked
>like her uncle Oscar. 'Twas said on the occasion of her winning her
>first (only?) Oscar.

Hmmm, that's not what I heard. I heard that it was one of the
secretaries in the office who was around when they were first
delivered, not at a ceremony. This is easy enough to check, though who
knows what the real truth is....

L.
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From: Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:27:18 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
>> WITCHES ABROAD
>> 
>> You should perhaps elucidate the Ernest Hemingway sectiona nd explain
>> about Pamplona and what cojones are!!

>Unfortunately, I have never in my life read any Hemingway, so elucidation
>will have to wait until I read whatever work of his is necessary for 
>understanding it myself (not that I don't know what Pamplona and cojones
>are, but I just thought it was funny in its own right). 
>Can you give me an approprioate pointer?

Pamplona is where they have the annual bull run throught the streets
of the town. Hemingway was very into this kind of thing because of his
macho attitutdes and the term he used for this kind of "bravery" is
the Spanish "cojones" (pron. co ho nays (I think!!)) which literally
translates the colloquial English "balls" in both meaning testicles
and courage (in the sense of "having the balls to do something")

You probably ought to document the Wizard of Oz jokes as well, as some
people just didn't get them.


>> SMALL GODS
>> 
>> Didactylos == two fingers (as pointed out by TP in an interview in a
>> magazine produced for Dillons or Waterstones)

>I still don't get it. What's funny about 'two fingers'?

Think of the typical British rude gesture.........

>> >- [p. 180] The name Citron Deux-Chevaux refers to the Citroen 2CV,
>> >  or deux-chevaux as it is commonly called in Europe [do Americans
>> >  know about this car? Should I leave this one in?]
>> 
>> You perhaps point out that deux-chevaux is a misnomer as 2CV in fact
>> is shourt for deux-chevron (the Citroen emblem) and has nothing to do
>> with horsepower!!

>I have an honest-to-God French colleague sitting next to me, who swears
>you are completely mistaken about the chevron (well, actually he said it
>in a much less polite way :-) business.

Well, I beg to differ with him. I read the information about the 2CV
name in a history of the car. There may well some kind of punning
going on here, but the original intent was definitely deux chevron.

L.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: thoni@ida.liu.se (Thomas Nilsson)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:27:42 GMT


>- [p. 176] The philosophers shooting arrows at tortoises are discussing their 
>  own special version of Zeno's paradox, involving Achilles and a Tortoise. 
>  See also Hofstadter's "Godel, Escher, Bach". Or Zeno.

A friend of mine also pointed to another (probably Zeno also) paradox.
Take an arrow flying through the air, at each moment that you look at it
it is in exactly one position so therefore it can not move at all (or
something along those lines).

As Xeno says on p. 179 they're "You know, trying to combine two
experiments, cut down on expensive reseach time, ...".

Also on p. 179 is a reference to an "accident" in the turtoise and
hare experiment, where the turtoise actually did beat the hare
(because the hare was shot).

/Thomas

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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Any Recorded TP Books? 
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:40:38 GMT

lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker) writes:

>froggy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robyn McNamara) writes:
>>
>>Um.  You don't know Australian geography very well, do you?

>Yes, yes, I know it's a big place.  I just thought if you were really keen
>you would make the effort.  I mean, I know someone in Wellington who's
>planning on going to Perth.

>If it's a non-trivial trip for to get to Perth (which it is, I agree), then

Ah, but are they a) a student (read "shit-poor") or b) pregnant (hi, Robyn)
*grin*

>surely it's non-trivial for Terry to make the detour, too.
Think of it as percentages..... *mgrin*

>(Or is Oz like NZ, where it's further for Aucklanders to go to Wellington
>than for Wellingtonians to go to Auckland?)
*whoosh* (Sound of comment going right over head)

Eccles

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From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:31:18 GMT

johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes:

> I assure you I *had* noticed your address.  My mistake was assuming that
> you would realize I had noticed it.

Maybe I would have if it hadn't been for the other mails...

'Pologies for the misunderstanding.

> To most of us, the sight of a "j" immediately following an "r" bring
> back vague memories that Rembrandt's full name contained something along
> those lines.  

Ah, I see. 

Rembrandt van Rijn, our national pride & glory (well, apart from Ruud Gullit
that is, for those of you who follow soccer...). 
The crucial thing here is that Rembo's name contains an 'ij' which is 
actually the Dutch version of the letter 'y' -- i.e. a vowel, and not
something involving the letter 'j' at all.

Hence 'Rijn' is pronounced like 'rhine' (more or less), and hence the fact 
that the sight of an 'r' and a 'j' together does not really ring a bell for 
native Dutchfolk.

Fascinating, huh?
-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
From: keith@csc.liv.ac.uk (Keith Halewood)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Dog Latin qvote reqvest
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:53:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <1992Aug24.112903.89862@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, 
> > Steve (Semper in ordure sumus, solem profundum variens) South.
> 
> Was it one of the wizards that said it?
> 
> David (Nihil illegitemo carborundum)
         ^ Nothi te numquam opprimant!  (It's much better, and also correct)

Keith
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From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:47:19 GMT

wsinow@urc.tue.nl (Olaf Weber) writes:

>>> - [p. 108] "Once you've ruled out the impossible then whatever is
>>> left, however improbable, must be the truth. [...] There was also
>>> the curious incident of the orangutan in the night-time ..." 
>>> This paraphrases Sherlock Holmes, and refers to "The Hound Of The
>>> Baskervilles" [and perhaps also to Edgar Allan Poe. Terry??].

>>  Why do you think it refers to Poe?  Please explain.

> The reference to Poe would be to "The Murders in the Rue Morgue"
> or one of the other stories which have one Dupin as the hero.  
> There are two or three of those.  Some people claim that Dupin 
> inspired Holmes.

But that was of course not why I said that paragraph referred to Poe.
I was definitely thinking of Murders in the Rue Morgue, and saying 
anything more would be spoiling a very good story. Definitely a
classic.

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Subject: Pratchett in Sweden
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:48:26 GMT

Terry Pratchetts books are very popular in Sweden, and one has even
been translated (I believe it was Guards! Guards!). It is the Disk-
world series that sells here; the Truckers do not seem to have the
same appeal. People think they are childrens books, and perhaps
that is the reason; Swedish children don't read English well enough
to tackle them.

The only thing I personally do not like about the books are the
covers. The artist has an uncanny ability to make his characters
look not just silly (which would be good) but also UGLY (ungood).

This piece of worthless information was brought to you from
Ake Eldberg in Uppsala, Sweden (a small country in northern
Europe, you know -- between the Atlantic ocean and Russia.)
From: afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Non Disk World books
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:34:59 -0500

I am curious about the non-Disk World books that are marketed in the
US as children's books (_Truckers_ and ???).  I checked with the local
scifi bookstore and they had never heard of them, but they are listed 
as available in hardback.

Are these really directed at children, and if so what ages?  How do
they compare to the DW series in atmosphere, humor, etc?  Are they 
worth spending $15 on (I know what TP will say to this :))?

Andrew Cockburn
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From: Michael.Gunderson@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Gunderson)
Subject: Unavailable books
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:21:29 GMT

I didn't notice this is the FAQ, so I thought I'd ask...
I've heard mention of several Discworld books not available here in the
States.  Is this "not available" as in "not _yet_ available", or "not
available" as in "you Americans can't have these, nyah nyah"?


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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v1.4
Organization: The Democrats' Best Hope in '96
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:00:40 GMT
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In article <BtHqvr.KDG@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
> leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton) writes:
>>[Probable spoiler follows]
> [Lots of empty lines]
>>[Just for those with 50-line screens :-)]
> [Even more]
> [Text]
> Have you ever tried CTRL-l (visible as ^L)?
> It should work with any screen then.

	Nope.  My newsreader strips out ^L.  So use blank lines.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:52:53 GMT

ano@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Adrian Ogden) writes:

> Leo, I tried to mail this to you, but it kept bouncing so
> I've posted it instead.

It's a known problem that my site cannot be reached from certain UK
sites. I have no idea why this is, and I do not know a way to fix this
(I do know that the problem almost certainly lies with certain badly
configured English gateways, and I also know that there other UK sites
do not have any problems reaching me). The only solution is to post
to a.f.p. I'm afraid.

> > - Casanunda is modeled on Casanova, the world famous lover [Another
> >   filler, probably: everybody knows this, right?].
> 
> Cassanunder is first mentioned in a footnote in Reaper Man. [p. 261].
> Does he appear in WA as well? I'm still waiting for the paperback...

He is one of the comic highlights in Witches Abroad, even though he only has
a very small role. I gather that he also re-appears in the upcoming
Lords and Ladies. Oh joy, oh joy...

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: oneill@cix.compulink.co.uk (James O'Neill)
Subject: Dog Latin
Reply-To: oneill@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:51:44 +0000

Semper in facalum, solus altam variat 
Always in the (nasty stuff, contents of a ditch, may be freely
stranlated as shit), only the (height / depth) varies.

Motto of anyone who works in a technical type job.

Nihil illegitemo  carborundum
Never (by to or from) the illigitamate ones, be ground down.

Often used as "don't let the bastards grind you down".
Although latin scholars are bound to point out that carborundum is
not the passive imperative of carborundo (or whatever). 
Among other errors.
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Cohen the Barbarian
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:17:28 GMT
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association


 Re: "Gonad the Barbarian"... it's been done, at least once, here in the US..
as a comic book for the discrimnating reader...

 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: froggy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robyn McNamara)
Subject: Re: Any Recorded TP Books? 
Organization: Monash General Access UNIX System
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.000003.11268@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker) writes:
>ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles) writes:
>>
>>No fan club (yet) but lots of fans at Monash..... _please_ come back - I 
>>missed the last one due to work commitments, although I was told it was great.
>
>You guys obviously missed Terry's posting that said he was going to a con in
>Perth sometime in 1993. Sorry, I didn't note the date.
>

Um.  You don't know Australian geography very well, do you?

For information, Monash University is in Melbourne, in the south-east
corner of the continent.  Perth is on the west coast.  Australia is only
little as continents go, but it's pretty wide.

To get to Perth from here you have to cross two whole time zones.  You
have to cross the Nullarbor Plain.  It's a couple of days on a train.  A
non-trivial trip, even for the most ardent fan.

In short, those of us on the east coast who couldn't get to TP's last
address would _really_really_ like it if he'd come back here on the way!
(hint, hint! :)
-- 
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                     froggy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer)
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Organization: Buffy Franchises Corp.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:11:55 GMT
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In article <715519272snx@warren.demon.co.uk>, leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton) writes:
> In article <GNAT.92Sep1022203@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz> gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington) writes:
>>fact is that the dodo was caught out when several hundred years of
>>evolution caught up to it in the form of hungry sailors.
> 
> On a point of order, I seem to remember it was rats from the ships which
> ate the dodo's eggs. Certainly some small or middling mammal did for
> them - definitely not, directly, humans.
> 
	Flat out wrong.  The dodo was a big flightless bird that tasted like
chicken.  Sailors ate them until there were none left.  Something similar
almost happened to the galapagos tortoise.  Remember, sailors at sea for long
periods were almost desperate for fresh meat.

>>(a Kiwi :)
> Ah, related to the Moa, I believe ? :-)

	Kiwi are little bitty moas, more or less.  In fact, Stephen Jay Gould
(a Harvard biologist) wrote a very nice essay (found in one of his collections)
that showed that there were sound biological reasons why the kiwi's egg is so
enormous (30% of mother's weight), and it's because kiwis are moas.  It's not
a direct adaptation.
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From: hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0, Oscar
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:18:26 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <Bty0qD.2w1@newcastle.ac.uk> Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall) writes:
>Yes, but does everyone know why Oscars were called Oscars? (Because
>the statuettes looked like someone's Uncle Oscar, ro so the story goes...)

According a video tape box, Bette Davis said that from the back it looked
like her uncle Oscar. 'Twas said on the occasion of her winning her
first (only?) Oscar.

-- 
Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
"I still thing it's garbage, but beautifully cooked."   --  TP on TP