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From: teera@emunix.emich.edu (Teerawat Pawittranon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Demand-Supply of S&T Manpower in Thailand
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:28:02 GMT
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> Article-I.D.: andrew.QeqCqX200UhW84BmNA
> Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
> Lines: 188
> In-Reply-To: <9210101955.AA24156@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
> 
> Excerpts from mail: 10-Oct-92 Re: Demand-Supply of S&T Ma.. by A.
> Anuchitanukul@CS.Stan 
> 

I must have to confess first that in no way I am an expert on the topic
discussed here.  However, I would like to comment on some of the points made
for sake of debate and discussion since I am entitled to express my opinion
too, right?

> > I have seen how they select new Ajarn.  "SEN" is given high priority.
> > I have seen an Ajarn with <2.5 GPA.  Some Ajarns just can't teach!

Are those ajarns who can't teach have <2.5 GPA?  Probably not, I think being
a good ajarn is more than just holding Phd, graduated with high GPA and from
a famous school.

> >  
> > I know a farang who have been in Thailand for quite a long time and
> > have tought/been to many universities.  He once frankly told
> > me that Thai Ajarns are not "even adequate" for the job and Thai
> > "research universities" look like "vocational schools" to him. 
> > It left me deaf!   Well, what can you say more about our educational 
> > standard??????
> 
>     That is O.K.  We will be real winners in the near future
> 
> >  
> > A friend of mine told me about a newly graduated EE with 1st class honors
> > from a university at the rim of Bangkok.  To his surprise, that guy
> > can't solve a simple circuit.  Unfortunately, this guy got a gov
> > scholarship and will return to be an Ajarn in a university. 
> 
>     It is better than zero.
> 

If I understood the original poster correctly, I would like to disagree with
you.  Even though I have not gone through (graduated from) a university in 
Thailand (could not, 1.44 GPA from HS did not help!)  I happen to think that
all of my friends who graduated from Thai universities are most capable
people who have gone through good systems.  I have known many hundreds of
them who have came to study in universities around here.  May be it is a
tribute to their ability as well as the system that have trained them.  They
are as good as a student (or people) as other students (all) that I know.  

owen
From: sinman@next19pg2.wam.umd.edu (Mai)
Subject: TSA
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:54:13 GMT

	I am trying to recolonized the Thai Student Association here at  
the University of Maryland.  Need INPUT and IDEAs.
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Oct. 2516 and May 2535.  Forgive and forget.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:03:34 GMT

In article <12OCT92.00361089@meena.cc.uregina.ca> emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>
>        Let us forgive and forget the October 2516 and May 2535 events and
>begin our new lives (I mean, waiting for a new such event to come and then
>forgive and forget again).


We can forgive but I think should not forget those events.  We, Thai,
should try as hard as we can to not let the horrible history repeat itself
again.    Come on, we're Thailand.  We've proved ourselves that we can
defeat all evil colonial outsiders.  It's time for us to prove to the
world that we can clean up our own house.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: U27876@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: JOKE
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:31:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92287.103107U27876
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Dr. Godfrey, PhD, has just found a new way to manufacture copper wire..........
........   He fights over a penny with another guy.
From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Money Money Money
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:35:01 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Khun Samart writes:

[DELETED STUFF] 
> To all s.c.t fans, please don't be too frustrated if you see my post about 
> this matter showing up on the screen again. My intention is only try to settle
> this matter as smooth and as FAIR as possible. It would only harm CMU, in
> particular, or Thailand, in general, in the long run if we only try to 
> protect their reputation without looking at the fact. I hope Dr.Godfrey, too,
> would also want to hear from the other side. It is aparent that he had not
> got any reply the CMU administration. 
> 
As a mere reader, I'd like to commend Khun Samart for his 
efforts to get the other side of Dr. Godfrey's fascinating 
account. There's *always* another side, after all.

It is true, I think, that a solidly detailed and apparently 
factual story like Godfrey's does contribute to an 
outsider's sense of what Thailand is like, or what Thai 
educational bureaucracy is like. And the impression here is 
certainly unfavorable.

Readers of this group will have gathered an impression of 
Dr. Godfrey's character (he called himself "confrontational" 
I recall). I'm sure we wondered to ourselves (I know I did) 
how far his personality contributed to the clash he 
describes, and we are keenly interested to hear the other 
participants' accounts.

And provided the tone is calm and factual, as Godfrey's was 
in *this* case, I  believe only credit to Thailand will 
result from the discussion.

			-- Seamus ["shay-muss"] Cooney
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 17:27:46 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ASEAN-EC STANDARD INFORMATION CENTRE 

ASEAN-EC STANDARD INFORMATION CENTRE WILL BE ESTABLISHED
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    A standard information center will be  established in accordance
with the ASEAN Industrial Standards and Quality Control Project, or the
ASEAN-EC Standards Project.

    The Thai Industrial Standards Institute(TISI) recently played host
to a seminar on "Harmonization of Systems for Standards Information and
Standard Preparation" at the Royal Princess Hotel, to seek guidlines for
the proposed ASEAN-EC Standard Information Centre.

    Secretary-General of TISI, Samnao Chulkarat, said that ASEAN has
obtained assistance from EC in the development of industrial standards
since 1988.  A modern computerized system will be installed in Malysia,
the Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand, to create an ASEAN standards
information centre.  The seminar was held to agree on specifications of
the computerized system and procedures, so that the centre serves the
ASEAN region far into the future.

    At the seminar, an expert in industrial standards from England, Mr.
Robert Wiggins, conducted the sessions, attended by standards officals
from Malaysia, the Philippins and Thailand, three from each country.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Source    :    Office of the Information Attache
               Royal Thai Embassy
               4250 Connecticut Av. N.W.
               Suite 260
               Washington, D.C. 20008
               Tel. No. (202) 667-3108

Posted by

Schitt(DJ)  Laowattana

****************************************************************************
Current Address in USA:

Department of Mechanical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15217
USA
Tel. No. 268-8880
Fax. No. 268-3348
e-mail: sl2k@andrew.cmu.edu


Permanent Address in Thailand:

Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO)
King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Thonburi
91 Suksawasd 48  Ratburana  Bangmod
Bangkok 10140, Thailand

Tel. No. 428-3374, 427-4421 and 4270151-9 Ext. 461
Fax. No. 427-8077, 427-8787

*****************************************************************************
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: (sct mail list) Email distribution of soc.culture.thai
Keywords: email, distribution, help
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:57:28 GMT
Organization: Geogia Tech

In article <3311@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> itthi@sunburn.UUCP (Itthi Trisirisatayawong) writes:
>
> In article <70193@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin) writes:
>
> I used to have a service whereby I distributed this newsgroup by email.

[stuff about restarting service deleted]

> The service is not available yet, it should be in a week or so.  I have
> ---------------------  deleted -------------------------------------
>I'm just wondering if your service is available for people who are outside
>of Thailand too. There are many peole who have e-mail access
>but can't read news. One of them ask me to collect news and mail him and I'm
>quite sure many of us are doing so. 

Sure, I am willing to send it to all who request it.  If I am provided with
a valid email address, I will add it to the list.  Once again, I ask that
anyone who requests service put the words "sct mail list" somewhere in
the subject and put the word "add" any where in the body of the message.
If later you wish to be deleted send similar mail, except put delete in
the body of the message.  If the load gets to be too large, I may request
some help in redistribution of the list to ease the network load, but I
will provide technical assistance to those who help, if it is needed (ie
provide the programs to handle it).  In any event, I don't anticipate the
demand being that high, as I only had a few subscribers before.  Please
don't hesitate to request service if you thing you need it, as I plan to
automate it as much as possible and I can easily handle up to 100 or so
addresses before I would have to consider getting help.

John Cronin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
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Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:16:54 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in the Asia-Pacific region
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:16:53 GMT

In article <1b6k45INNgnt@bigboote.WPI.EDU> tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn) writes:
>Another somewhat old news, but I think many of us would be interested.

>
>"TELECOM DATABASE EYED"
>Govt. hoping to establish Apec facility in Bangkok
>
>Patcharee Luengutai, Yingyord Manchuvisith,
>Nophakhun Limsamarnphun
>(The Nation, Sept.)

>
>	Singapore was chosen over Bangkok as the site of the Apec
>secretariat earlier this month largely since Bangkok is already the seat of
>several international organizations, he noted.

According to the Far Eastern Economic Review (Sept 24, 1992)

APEC chooses Singapore by Paul Handley in Bangkok:

"Just about anything in Bangkok can be blamed on the traffic. Now the
city can add to the list its failure to win the headquarters of the
Asia-Pacific Economic (Apec) forum.

Apec delegates who met in Bangkok on 10-11 September decided to locate
their new secretariat in smooth-running Singapore.  Stories about the
Thai capital's infamous jams -- particular a recent snarl-up that
streched a 30 minuts journey into five hours -- apparently tipped the
balance. "
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: mailing list
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:06:44 GMT
Organization: Common Container Liberation Front

In article <9210132101.AA01451@auspex.com> tstil@auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell) writes:
>can i join this mailing list?

Yes, anyone may.  I will look here in addition to expecting mail.  I apologize
that it is not up quite yet.  I became involved with the Vice-Presidential
debates here, and I was unable to do much else over the weekend.

By the way, having seen part of the fine Democratic process up front, I am
not that impressed.  It seemed more like a circus than a serious event.  I
guess that is the price we pay to have it open to the general public.  :)

John Cronin
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 14:18:34 CDT
From: <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject:    Apology and Peace

I would like make an apology of all those bad things that I've posted
on this News Group. I want you (reader) to understand that I'm
the only bad apple in the Thai community. Thais are probably
the nicest people on earth. (except for me) I have to admit
I was childish. And another factor behind my decision to stop
is the statement made about me by Mr. John Procanin, it gave
me a big chill when I read it. Especially when he threaten me
to kick me out of this News Group. Again I am very sorry.


P.S. : No more comments on this please.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: wtuntaw@congor.utah.edu (Wisanu Truntawiroon)
Subject: Re: British Boy
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:59:12 GMT

	I alway read this news group with pleasure until now. I though that we have to stop. Once I used to have the news group of Comp.windows.ms first in my list. But after some of OS2(another computer operating system) people began to post that their OS is better than windows. Since then almost 70-80% of the post are flaming.
 
	So, please I beg all of you guys. If you have personel disagreement use E-mail.
						Thank in advance

PS Thai student Association of University of Utah will host the annaul sport event for all the thai student in UT. at HYPER 11.00AM to 6.00PM. Everybody is welcome.


Wisanu Tuntawiroon (wtuntaw@mines.utah.edu )

1111 Medical Plaza                Dept. of Fuels Engineering
Salt Lake City, UT 84112          The University of Utah
				  Salt Lake City, UT 84112
Home (801)582-0819                (801)581-7187
Office (801)581-3953
From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai movies
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:02:34 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


I don't remember anyone in this group ever mentioning Thai 
movies. I saw at least one that had some merit and some 
charm a couple of years ago in Bangkok, about two little 
kids in a country village. (Was it called "Puk Pui"? I can't 
remember.)

What are the really good Thai movies, recent or from long 
ago?

Are they obtainable in the U.S.? (It would be nice to use 
one to help with learning Thai.)

			-- Seamus Cooney
			 [that's pronounced "shay-muss"]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: What're up in other newsgroups...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:37:41 GMT
Keywords: Thailand

Having been frustrated by some nasty posts in the s.c.t lately, I roamed around
to other newsgroups and found pieces of news about Thailand. Probably,
they might be interesting to you too...


From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (DENHOLM BARNETSON)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics,
	    clari.news.issues.civil_rights
Subject:    Thai House overturns amnesty decree
Date: 	    Wed, 7 Oct 92 5:30:08 PDT

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.tw.health.aids
Subject:    Australia moves to help Thailand halt AIDS spread
Date:       8 Oct 92 10:34:47 GMT

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (PRANEE SRITHONGNOY)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.fighting,clari.news.group
Subject:    Burmese soldiers move Thai hostages
Date:       9 Oct 92 14:37:00 GMT

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.fighting,clari.news.group
Subject:    Fighting in Burma sends hundreds of refugees into Thailand
Date:       9 Oct 92 15:54:05 GMT

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (PRANEE SRITHONGNOY)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.fighting,clari.news.group
Subject:    Thais demand Burmese release hostages
Date:       Mon, 12 Oct 92 7:21:04 PDT

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (PRANEE SRITHONGNOY)
Newsgroups: clari.tw.environment,clari.biz.economy.world
Subject:    Oil slick threatening Thai national park
Date:       Wed, 7 Oct 92 8:00:20 PDT

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seasia-l
Date:       Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:07:49 PDT
From:       "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:    Burma/Thailand Prostitution at Ranong
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: whoops
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:18:00 GMT

The last posting was not intended for distribution - it was supposed
to go only to Mr. Cronin.  Sorry if it offends anyone - again

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: Thai Holidays?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:09:45 GMT

howeird@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com writes:

>Would someone be as kind as to post the American/European calendar dates
>for the 1993 Thai Holidays? 
>Kop Jai Mag Krup

>Howard Stateman  
>howeird@hpl.hp.com 

Khun Howard Khrab,
	I don't have a new calendar in hand but according to Joe Cummings
in his tourist guide book, THAILAND, (by Lonely Planet Publications, Haw-
thorn, Victoria, Australia), Thai holidays are as follows (the marked ones
are added by me) :

Jan 1	 New Year Day*

Mid Feb  Magha Buchaa Day (full moon day of the 3rd Lunar month, the day
	 where four miracle things coinsided the Buddha's era). At night
	 Buddhists join the candle-lid-circumambulation ceremony in most
	 temples.

April 6  Chakri Day, public holiday commemorating the founder of the Chakri
	 Dynasty, Rama I.

April 13-15
	 Songkran festival--Traditional New Year; merit making and water
	 throwing games.

May 5	 Coronation Day

May 6	 WanPuedMongkol (plantation rite day)* to kick off the official 
	 rice planting season. The King presides this Brahman ritual which
	 is knowned as Royal Ploughing Ceremony.

Mid May  Visahak Buchaa Day; the date of the Lord Buddha's birth, enlighten-
	 ment, and parinibbana (nirvana).

Mid July Asanha Buchaa, commemorating the first sermon preached by the Lord
	 Buddha.

Mid to late July
	 Khao Phansa (beginning of Buddhist lent); men who want to enter
	 monkhood must do be ordained before this day since they will then
	 are to reside at the temple for the whole phansa (3 month lent).

Aug 12	 The Queen's Birthday

Oct 23	 Piyamaharaj Day (King Rama V's Day); commemorating King Rama V's
	 death.

Dec 5	 The King's Birthday

Dec 31	 The year's ending day.

****************
I am now requesting a calendar from a friend to consult specific dates
for certain religious days which are compatible with the Lunar calendar.
Will post them when I acquire such information. Meanwhile, those who know
please make correction or addition.
From: suntich@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Montree Suntichaikul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Thai movies
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:59:15 GMT
Reply-To: suntich@ee.msu.edu
Organization: EE Department, Michigan State University

In article <1992Oct13.170234.5795@gw.wmich.edu>, cooneys@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> 
|> I don't remember anyone in this group ever mentioning Thai 
|> movies. I saw at least one that had some merit and some 
|> charm a couple of years ago in Bangkok, about two little 
|> kids in a country village. (Was it called "Puk Pui"? I can't 
|> remember.)
|> 
   - Yes, and it also received the award of best music title & theme.


-- 
Montree Suntichaikul

EE Department, Michigan State University
E-Mail: suntich@ee.msu.edu, suntich@atlantic.cps.msu.edu (Internet)
        suntich@msuegr.BITNET (Bitnet)
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From: smahn@vx.cis.umn.edu (Seokmin Ahn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Q: Laser Ready Hangul Word Processor
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:01:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Oct9.190104.2625
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6FB419FAD01C36A@me51-3-106.me.umn.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:03:11 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

Hi! Fellow netters,

In our (I am still comfotable to use "our" rather than "my") church,
Area-Ah
hangul version 1.1 is being used ( believe me it's  a legal copy ).

I heard that later versions are 1.5 and 2.0.  Since we don't have a laser
 printer, I believe version 1.5 can be the latest version we can use.  Is
 version 
1.5 much better?  Does it support multi-columns?

I also need more info about the laser version in case I can justify that 
purchase.  
    Do we have to have a postscript printer?  Can it be any postscript
printer?
    Do I have to download the p.s. fonts everytime when I turn on the 
computer and/or printer?  If yes, does it come with downloader utilility?
   Can those p.s. fonts be downloaded (Ethernet) networked p.s. printer 
(I need this function to use the printer at school in case we can't
afford it)?
   Can I save a document as a postscript file?  Is this file printable at
a Mac 
(with Hangul-talk installed presumably)?

Finally, how much are those?  The version we have were purchased and sent 
by our former church member who moved to Korea a couple of years ago.  I 
believe I can ask him a favor if it is within resonable price ;-).

Thank you for your help