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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: who handles synchronous bandwidth ?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:59:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.224744.18743@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> While going through the data books of the AMD and National Semiconductor
> chip sets for FDDI, I noticed that while AMD provides a register (TSYNC) 
> in its MAC chip (for SAS) to represent the synchronous bandwidth, the N.S. 
> chips don't. They just say that it is up to the user to assure that the 
> synchronous frames queue does not take longer than the allocated bandwidth 
> to transmit. Does the latest version of SMT say where exactly the 
> synchronous bandwidth is to be handled. I mean, are there any registers 
> or memory locations in the SMT or MAC or any other layer which are responsible 
> to time the transmission of the synchronous frames ? 
> 
> How do the stations agree on the distribution of the bandwidth amongst 
> themselves ?


>From SMT 7.2, Section 8.7, starting on page 137

  This section describes the Synchronous Bandwidth Allocation (SBA) protocol 
  employed on an operational FDDI logical ring.  ...

  ... The protocol performs the allocation functions through a
  request-response frame exchange between a station using Synchronous
  Bandwidth and a Synchronous Bandwidth management process...

  ... The Synchronous Bandwidth management process is not defined as part
  of this protocol. ...

>From Section 8.7.2.1

  ... A station that wants to change its current allocation of Synchronous
  Bandwidth must request the new allocation amount from the Synchronous
  Bandwidth management process. ...

>From Section 8.7.3

  ... Because the SBA protocol uses as central allocator, it may be
  desirable to have backup allocators available to assure availability
  fo the service.  If more than one allocator exists, a protocol
  must be defined among the allocators to determine which station
  contains the active management process and which stations become 
  stand-by allocators. ...


In other words, the draft ANSI standard for FDDI Synchronous Bandwidth
is at most a sketch for a single vendor, proprietary network, because
the SBA management process is not defined.  (There are other, harder
technical holes mentioned in the full SMT 7.2 section 8.7).  That
synchronous bandwidth is finally as much as that is an amazing
achievement.  That Bob &co. were able to prevent the normal Standards
Process 5 years of wrangling to produce an overly complete and
significantly wrong specification is an incredible, impressive feat.
(I mean that!)  Or maybe it's just that after ~10 years, X3T9.5 is
getting tired.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink LBL)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: FDDI documents online
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:38:23 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.64.61

For those interested in online FDDI documents, see Brian Cashman's note below.
More of the draft standard documents will be put online soon.

Bob Fink
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--
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:47:04 EDT
From: Brian.S.Cashman@um.cc.umich.edu
To: rlfink@lbl.gov
Cc: ross@tvrisc.timeplex.com
X-Mts-Userid: CRT.
Subject: SMT on the FDDI server?

Yes, it's on nis.nsf.net (35.1.1.48) in the directory "working.groups/fddi".
The files are of the format SMT7.2.* There is a ".ps", a ".ps.zip" and a
".txt". There is also a file, INDEX.fddi which contains a description of
what's in the directory. I don't have the Microsoft Word format document
stored there. If someone wants that "version," please let me know.
 
Thanks,
     BSC
 
Here's a sample session:
 
#ftp nis.nsf.net
 Please report $FTP problems/questions to "Online_Help" via $Message,
 or call 764-HELP.
 um.cc.umich.edu FTP client (Version of Oct 30/90 19:26:47)
 220 nic.merit.edu FTP server (Version 4.1 Fri Aug 28 11:37:57 GDT 1987) ready.
 Name (35.1.1.48:CRT.): anonymous
 331 Guest login ok, send ident as password.
 Password:
 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
ftp> cd working.groups/fddi
 250 CWD command successful.
ftp> ls
 200 PORT command successful.
 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.
 INDEX.fddi
 intro.X3T9.ps
 intro.X3T9.ps.zip
 lcf-pmd.1.2.ps
 lcf-pmd.1.2.ps.zip
 lcf-pmd.1.2.txt
 phy.conformance.ps
 phy.conformance.ps.zip
 pmd.conformance.ps
 pmd.conformance.ps.zip
 self-sync.scramblers
 smt7.1.ps
 smt7.1.ps.zip
 smt7.1.txt
 smt7.2.ps
 smt7.2.ps.zip
 smt7.2.txt
 stream.scramblers
 226 Transfer complete.
 304 bytes received in 0.544 seconds (0.545 Kbytes/sec)
ftp>

 
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: D.max and FDDI configuration
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.033322.2877@menudo.uh.edu>, stan@casc.math.uh.edu (Stan Hanks) writes:
> ...
> >what is the maximum forwarding rate (either bridging or routing) in
> >Bytes/sec between any pair of stations?
> 
> Correct. These stations are packaging LAN traffic into closed user groups
> built out of TCP/IP streams. Their transmission  rates are limited by input 
> rates into them. I'm (supposedly) going to have an opportunity to test this 
> stuff in a multi-VAX environment running LAVC over FDDI (plus some other 
> stuff) Real Soon. Until then, I won't have any real "fully loaded testing"
> info. The best I've seen to date is ~35 Mb/s end-to-end, and I know
> that's a function of how the data is getting into the FDDI node (i.e.
> the bottleneck is *known* to be elsewhere in the system).


35Mbit/sec won't get close to the 8 ms TTRT bandwidth limit.

There are several well established TCP/IP/FDDI implementations that can
do > 35Mb/s in a single TCP stream.

It sounds to me as if you're situation will need a large TTRT when your
forwarders start wanting to saturate the link.  It sounds as if any
hopes based on the slowness of stations are not relevant, since it
doesn't take many of even the slowest useful FDDI stations to hit 100
Mb/s in aggregate.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: cliff@garnet.berkeley.edu (Cliff Frost)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Duplicate Packets
Date: 16 Sep 1992 00:39:29 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Duplicate Packets

We are in the process of bringing up a moderate-sized FDDI ring with
concentrators, routers, and a few hosts.

We have noticed that we are seeing packet duplication on our ring.  When
I run a ping from one station to another I see between 1-10 % packets
duplicated.

My first reaction was that I should be able to pin this down easily by
SNMP'ing the SMT info from the various nodes (including concentrators).

Unfortunately, every bit of info I get looks clean to me--no error 
counters (at least none that are large and none that increment after
I see a duplicate packet).

Has anyone else seen something like this on an FDDI ring?  Any things in
particular I should look for?

	Thanks very much,
			Cliff Frost
			UC Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: D.max and FDDI configuration
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.211409.16525@menudo.uh.edu>, stan@casc.math.uh.edu (Stan Hanks) writes:
> In article <48073410@Vanadium.NTT.JP> murakami@ntt-20.ntt.jp writes:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I have a question about FDDI limits in its configuration. ...
> >So, here is my question. If we have a small number of nodes
> >compared to the assumed (1000 links), it seems we can have longer
> >distance than 2000km. Is it right? 
> 
> Been there. Done it. 
> 
> See my paper from Winter '92 USENIX. We've run FDDI rings that are *BIG* --
> right at 80 miles long with only 5 nodes. 


What TTRT do you use?

What is the aggregate ring bandwidth that you use?  (in other words,
(microseconds while some station is transmitting data) / 1000000)

What is the maximum TCP/IP speed you can do between any pair of
stations?

I wouldn't be surprised if no or few of your 5 stations do TCP/IP on
their own behalf, so maybe this is the better question;
what is the maximum forwarding rate (either bridging or routing) in
Bytes/sec between any pair of stations?


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.misc
From: mshiels@TMSoftware.Ca (Michael A. Shiels)
Subject: Microsoft Named Pipes and Mail Slot APIs
Organization: MaS Network Software and Consulting
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:37:36 GMT


I have been taking an in depth look at Microsofts Named Pipes and Mail Slots
API which LAN Manager provides.  Low and behold Named Pipes are also available
for Novell/Netware (which I have verified and tested!) and possibly for
Banyan/Vines (which I need to find a contact to verify with, PLEAS!).

Are there any other platforms for which people know of Named Pipe APIs
-- 
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Michael A. Shiels                           | mshiels@masnet.uucp
MaS Network Software and Consulting         | mshiels@tmsoftware.ca
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Ca. AB2446 recycled paper advocacy Please write
Organization: Save the Humans!
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 10:43:28 GMT

A rare bulletin arrived from "Conservatree Information Services," a
"division" of the Conservatree Paper Company.  Please note they're not
hiding behind some name like "Citizens for Recycled Paper."

-begin-
Sept 1, 1992

Dear Friend ["subscriber" would be closer],

    An important bill to promote the use of recycled paper [there's a
loaded phrase] is currently sitting on Governor Wilson's desk.  The bill,
A.B.2446, would require the State of California to purchase 40% recycled
paper by 1994 and 50% by 1996. The bill also requires that 15% of high
grade paper [that's copier, offset press, and letterhead] purchases be
recycled paper by 1994, and that 25% of all high grade paper purchases be
recycled paper by 1996.

    The bill requires the Department of General Services to purchase recycled
paper within its existing budget.  In other words, the increased requirement
for recycled paper would not cost the state any additional money.

    We urge you to send a letter to Governor Wilson saying you support AB
2446, and asking him to sign the bill.  Let him know that you support the
conservation of our natural resources [you can tell Conservatree doesn't
do this often] and believe in the development of a market for the recycleable
materials being collected in our communities.
    Send your letters to Governor Pete Wilson, State Capitol, Sacramento, Ca.
 95814.

    Thanks for your assistance in helping to build a recycling future.

Sincerely,
(signed)
David Assmann
Vice President and Director of Information Services

P.S. If you can send a copy of your letter to us [sic] it will help us
determine the positive impact of this campaign.

-end-

Somehow, the last sentence reminds me of the instructions that come with
a three dollar radio at the flea market.

Conservatree Information Services' (CIS) usual role is to put out
briefing papers about four times a year on the state of the market in
"recycled" paper.  You can subscribe to their "Information Packs" for
$35 a year at CIS, 10 Lombard STE 250, San Francisco, CA. 94111
415/433-1000.  If you can't afford _Recycled Paper News_, IMHO CIS is the
next best thing.

Cameron Spitzer, up way too late.
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: none
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:54:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University

I'm just glad my motorcycle gets 60-65 mpg in town.  Hey, this whole 
environmental movement could be a boost to the motorcyle industry! 
Cool.  Of, Course the two-wheelers could use catalytic converters.
(BMW) is using them now I believe.

Marty O.
87 250 ninja type rider person.
From: cfhammer@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Recycling recycled materials
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:42:28 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Sep10.002136.4028@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
        rgh3595@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.G. Hawbaker ) writes:

> Does anyone have a list of common materials that can be recycled at  
> usual recycling places?  There are some materials that I'm not sure if  
> it's recycable like cereal boxes, papers (lined papers for school).

most materials are recyclable as long as you sort them properly.

classification:        acceptable:                   NOT acceptable:
_______________        ___________                   _______________
newspaper              clean and dry - in brown      magazines,glossy inserts
                       bags or bundled w/twine       telephone books, junkmail
                                                     not in plastic bags

corrugated cardboard   corrugated boxes only.        plastic liners,
                       flatten, bundle w/twine       wax coating,
                       clean and dry                 cereal boxes

mixed paper            newspapers, cereal boxes,     not in plastic bags
                       phone books, mags, junk mail

plastic bottles        milk, juice, soda, detergent  #3-7 in the symbol
                       shampoo bottles w/#1 or 2 in  plastic bags,toys,films,
                       the recycle symbol. rinse     wraps, lids, caps
                       and crush w/o lids or caps

glass bottles & jars   all food & beverage - rinse   lids,caps,window glass
                       labels okay                   dishes,ceramics,bulbs

metal cans             rinse. may have to separate   foil, pans
                       aluminum(non-mag) & tin(mag)  scrap metal

oil                    motor oil in a non-breakable  used oil mixed w/gas,water
                       container w/tight cap         antifreeze, brake fluid,
                                                     solvents, etc.

antifreeze             contain as oil above          used antifreeze mixed w/
                                                     oil,gas,solvents,brakefld

-excerpted from the 1992 MD recycling directory

oh, and of course:

high grade paper       printer paper, copier paper   colored paper,mixed paper
                       writing & computer paper

i guess your cereal boxes would qualify as mixed paper and your lined
paper would qualify as high grade paper.

hope this helps.

-ming
.sig under destruction
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,alt.activism,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Maquiladoras in America: Factory in Berkeley poisons labor
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:03:59 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

harelb@math.cornell.edu (Harel Barzilai) writes:

>Management has removed all warning labels from cans of adhesive, 
>ink, and other solvents. They are obligated, under California law, 
>to provide warning in English and Spanish regarding the toxic 
>nature of the substances workers are exposed to. They have not done 
>so. 

If this is true, then calling CAL-OSHA would be appropriate, also.

CAL-OSHA's number is ...

	Occupational Safety & Health		(415) 572-9424
	1900 S. Norfolk, San Mateo			24 hours

>Workers have suffered health impairment directly due to exposure to 
>these chemicals. Skin rashes are commonplace. Fainting spells are 
>commonplace. Impaired respiratory function is commonplace. 

Each of these individuals should file a complaint with CAL-OSHA, and
Cc: the Ecology Center, or, better yet, the Ecology Center should try
to act as a facilitator.

Keep the Net appraised of your progress ... some of us really care.

				-=*=-

>When a worker (who has asked not to be publicly identified) took 
>the initiative to distribute info from New Jersey Fact Sheets 
>regarding the health effects of toluene exposure (provided by the 
>Ecology Center and RTKNET), her employment was terminated, on the 
>grounds that she was a "temporary worker" and that there was no 
>work for her to do.  
>
>At a meeting subsequent to her termination, workers were told that 
>most of them would be laid off due to the activism of this one 
>worker. 
>
>Call Rubberstampede at (510) 843-8910.  Tell them you will not buy 
>any of their products until they provide adequate safety training 
>and equipment to their workers. 

Seems like a reasonable request to me.

-- richard

-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,alt.activism,talk.environment
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Maquiladoras in America: Factory in Berkeley poisons labor
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:18:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <JMC.92Sep5213152@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Harel Barzilai posts:
>
>     Berkeley firm gets rich while poisoning workers. You can
>     help by calling the company (510) 843-8910, and filling up
>     their fax (510) 843-5906.
>.
>.
>.
>
>     For more info call Chris Clarke @ the ecology Center (510)
>     548-2220
>
>Yes, but what's the ecology Center's fax number?
>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.


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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: rgh3595@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.G. Hawbaker )
Subject: Recycling recycled materials
Originator: rgh3595@ultb
Keywords: recycle
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:21:36 GMT

Hi

  Does anyone have a list of common materials that can be recycled at
usual recycling places?  There are some materials that I'm not sure if
it's recycable like cereal boxes, papers (lined papers for school).


--
Bobert Hawbaker			Love is like sand in your hand,
rgh3595@ultb.isc.rit.edu	the tighter you try to hold it --
Rochester, NY			the less of it you have.
			    	     Sergio L., a very good friend of mine
-- 
Bobert Hawbaker			Love is like sand in your hand,
rgh3595@ritvax.isc.rit.edu	the tighter you try to hold it --
				the less of it you have.
			    	     Sergio L., a very good friend of mine
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: rpetty@mu.sim.es.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Electric car
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:22:45 GMT

--
	A local inventor drove an electricly powered car from Salt Lake City,
Utah to Wendover, Nevada (approx 360 miles) on 3 dollars
worth of energy
last weekend. Funny, It never made the news. Seems a major
break-thru to
me. It was made from a Geo Metro with a standard 5 speed
transmission. Its
average speed was 50 mph as I understand. Any thoughts?

	Later---------------------Rich
sig. under construction.........................not!
From: jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Cars an their ill effects on the earth...
Keywords: Cars pollution
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:17:28 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

In article <_#mnakm.lile@netcom.com> lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam) writes:
> Anyways, after being slapped in the face today with the ill
> effects of cars on the environment, I have decided to ride my
> bike to work from now on (or at least whenever I can!).  And
> I will take my bike for joy rides instead of driving my car
> to a cafe in the next town over to have a latte! 

=o= Welcome to the two-wheeled club.  If you're in need of tips
and support and such, check out the (new) rec.bicycles.soc
newsgroup, which always has content on commuting by bike.  And
you're less likely to have to put up with dumb flaming than in,
say, the talk.environment newsgroup.
    <_Jym_>
From: tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: --France to Boost Renewables
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:52:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1310900020:000:2213
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Sep 11 08:52:00 1992


From: Tom Gray <tgray>
Subject: --France to Boost Renewables

/* Written  5:28 pm  Sep  9, 1992 by tgray in cdp:en.energy */
/* ---------- "--France to Boost Renewables" ---------- */
FRANCE MAPS PLANS TO DOUBLE
RENEWABLE ENERGY BY 2005

The new French ministry responsible for the environment plans to
double the nation's use of renewable energy by 2005.

Michel Mousel, president of the newly formed Agency for the
Environment and the Mastery of Energy (ADEME), will propose a plan
by the end of 1992 for producing 25 million tons of petroleum
equivalent per year (equal to roughly 175 million barrels of oil,
or about one quadrillion BTUs [quad] of energy) by early in the
next century.

Mousel, in an article by Agence France Presse, said his agency has
given renewables a priority because of the menace from the
greenhouse effect and climatic change.  The solution is not solely
nuclear power, Mousel said.  French development of renewables has
been severely retarded since 1986, according to the article.

France currently generates 75% of its electricity with nuclear
power.  There are only two commercial wind turbines operating in
the entire country, the largest landmass in the European Community.
One small wind power plant and possibly a second are under
development.

===============================

The American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) has authorized me to offer
an electronic edition of its newsletter, _Wind Energy Weekly_, from
which the above article is excerpted, at no cost.

For those of you who have not previously seen excerpts from back issues
on Usenet or Bitnet, the _Weekly_ reports on the outlook for renewable
energy, energy-related environmental issues, and renewable energy
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edition normally runs about 10kb in length.

If you would like a free electronic subscription, send me an e-mail
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