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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: Sticking DIY cassette labels on ?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:19:32 GMT

I've produced these really slick cassette case title sleeves and labels using
my DTP software (Amiga) and a Laser Printer.

The problem is, how do I get the cassette labels to stay on the cassettes !?

I've tried several glues now. Some seem to work OK - until the tape is played
several times. Then the heat dries it out and off it comes!

Has anybody else tried this? Can you recommend a glue that will KEEP working.

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From: gmaltby@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Gavin Maltby)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Losing My Religion (Was...many times tangentially removed)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:20:37 GMT
Organization: University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
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In article <3340382@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
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>From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
>Newsgroups: rec.audio
>Subject: Re: Losing My Religion (Was...many times tangentially removed)
>Message-ID: <3340382@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
>Date: 11 Jan 93 20:05:59 GMT
>References: <shetline-100193102612@128.89.19.68>
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>Lines: 35

>Gavin Maltby:
>>My Wadia X32/3200 combination CD player supports all the interfaces.
>>I started with the coax link.  I paid a fair bit for that high quality
>>coax.  At the time the DAC had toslink receiver electronics installed,
>>in addition to the coax link.  Comparing the two gave no conclusive
>>evidence, even in a rather revealing system.  I could not justify the

>But, you could hear a difference?  I can hear differences, but not
>worth $ from what I've listened to to date.

>>expense, really.  A friend with the same CD had the AT&T receiver
>>electronics installed, and we did a comparison.  With the transport
>>next to the rest of the system things were better, but not massively
>>so.  Then we removed the transport to the next room (using the 6m
>>optical cable).  The difference was amazing, as though we'd changed
>>some major component.  I have since installed the AT&T stuff on my
>>DAC, and have similar results.  It seems that the biggest, and definitely
>>worthwhile, difference was getting the transport out of an area where
>>it could be vibrated.
>>
>>Something to think about?
>>
>>Gavin

>Interesting.  Do you mean it sounded BETTER if you located it to another
>room?  Did you use the ST fiber?  I'd suspect you could run out of power
>and/or get pretty jittery with 6 m of the 1mm plastic fiber.

Yes, it sounded better.  The sort of difference between high-end and
middle of the road.  No comparison.

>My guess would have been that the vibration isn't what matters unless
>the vibration is adding jitter to the S/PDIF data stream.  It could be
>that you now have the digital supply on a different circuit.  Have you
>tried IDOS or other power conditioning things (wedges, Home brews,
>etc.?)  with both in the same room?

I haven't tried these.  I'm willing to believe that anything causes it.
I have simply observed it.  Despite majoring in Physics, I never really
had much of a feel for it---so I hesitate to try and explain it.  But it
is there, one way or the other.  I'll borrow some mains conditioners---
I like that idea (no magic involved).

Gavin


>Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: winchebs@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Benjamin S Winchester 1429580)
Subject: Re: Sony STR-790 *problems*
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:17:30 GMT

   Well, after my initial article about the problems, I decided to do
the next *umm* best thing.  I bought the STR-D990 and now there is no
problem whatsoever.  I guess the damn 790 just didn't have enough juice
to run 175 watt speakers in the rear....

Benjamin Winchester
Follow the Leader - Amiga

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:00:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.012705.7136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

> Sounds good to me--I don't suppose you have the number handy of a source
> for those perfectly linear D/A converters?  If they've got distortion-free

	Sure, try a CS5389 A/D and a CS4328 D/A.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Re: Walkman with Dolby C ???
Organization: Unit 36 Research, UofWaterloo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:53:55 GMT

In article <eilifl.34.726335537@dhhalden.no> eilifl@dhhalden.no (EILIF LIEN) writes:
>Well, is there any walkman at USD 100 to 300 equipped with Dolby C ?
>If you know anything, please Reply. Thanks!

	The Awia PC202MkII is the ticket.  It is a great looking great sounding
walkman with Dolby B and C and auto-reverse.  I have owned one for 2 years
and use it rigoursly (it has fallen out fo my pocket onto the cement while I
have been riding my bike in excess fo 20km/h).  They can be had here in Canada
for as low as $100CDN new but on average are $150CDN.

brett maraldo



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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:57:48 GMT
Subject: Re: CD anti-skip buffer (Was: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>    Pascal Gosselin        |     Communications Accessibles Montreal  
>My point is simply that beyond a certain point ($1,000), the quality
>of the D/A converter isn't going to improve much (if at all).  Sure, the
>analog portion can be improved upon, but that's like saying that
>400hp isn't enough for driving to the local 7-11.

I'd sure ENJOY the trip to 7-11 more in a Ferrari Testorossa......
>
Have you LISTENED to something like a MarkLevinson #30 (supposidly the
best at at mere $14,000) and compared it to a $1000 and a $400 CD player or
is this just vapor reviewing?

>>>As for those of you buying $1000+ CD players, I'm afraid you are getting
>>>taken for a big, expensive ride.

Just like owning a Testorossa:  lots more $ to get to 7-11 a bit faster.

>>>
>>   They might just have decent analog interfaces and might even
>>   sound a bit different than a $29 K-Mart special...
>
>In the digital domain, noise and dust don't matter. Vibration is a killer
>for CDs, agreed.  Analog is of course screwed-up by anything, which is
>why I hate analog :-)
>
I didn't like "Digital" in school since it was too simple and a typical
high-school student could be taught Boolean Logic - don't need an
engineering degree to "do that".  Good thing most picked "digital" as it
means good pay of us analog designers.

>the choice is clear.  In the digital domain, bits are bits are bits.
>
Oh?  How were those bits determined?  How sharp are their edges?  Is there
any jitter?  Bits are analog.  Only the MATH is digital.  

>>>If anyone has scientific blind tests proving otherwise, please post them,
>>>I'm very curious.
>>>
Well, I was involved in a blind test of a Denon $400-$500, 1987ish CD
player with a digital fiberoptic input.  We used optical receivers with
different amounts of pulse distortion (a type of jitter) and I could tell
the difference in the sound.  The only component we changed was the
optical reciever (that converted a *digital* optical signal into a *digital*
electrical signal).  If "bits were bits", why could I hear a difference?
>+--------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
>    Pascal Gosselin        |     Communications Accessibles Montreal  
>

Thanks for the flame material:  It is nice to be reminded now and then how
uneducated the world really is on how "digital really works".

Kirk out
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From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony STR-790 *problems*
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:22:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1iaeh5INNqr5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch218@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Erik A. Horn) writes:
>
>I have noticed most of the people who say they love their
>STR's have had them a short time.  I had mine about 4 months
>when the memory started to malifunction, and two months later
>the 'P' light kept coming on. So you may not be out of the 
>water yet.  Either that or Sony finally fixed the problem
>which would be great.  A lot of 'non-hifi' types trust
>the Sony name, and it would be nice if they delivered what
>they claimed too.  I have noticed that a fan does help,
>so if you notice your reciever does run hot, you may
>wish to put a fan on it.. Hope you guys had better
>luck then some of us others.

I hope mine doesn't get messed up since I have one of the first 1090's.
actually I have owned mine since August 8th so it has been 4 months not one
problem, yet!
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: fleming@blitzen.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Joe Fleming)
Subject: Re: Nakamichi 700 Cassette Deck replacement
Reply-To: fleming@blitzen.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Joe Fleming)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:50:52 GMT

In article <27613@sybase.sybase.com> herb@sybase.com (Herb Lison) writes:
>
>In any case,  do you hard-core audiophiles have any advice on this subject.
>Are there newer cassette decks that will play these tapes of mine with
>comparable quality to the Nakamichi 700?
>
>Herb Lison

This cassette deck was a fine machine.  One of the main problems that you are
experiencing as you shop is that each deck has unique recording parameters. 
Head alignment, bias settings, etc. all vary from brand to brand, and even
from deck to deck.  Tapes will always sound best when played on the machine on
which they were recorded.  I think your best bet would be to look at another
Nakamichi, which you might have to have the dealer tweak to match your tape
collection.

Joe Fleming
From: kjv@exucom.com (Karl J. Vesterling)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Which CD boombox is best?
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:22:09 GMT
Organization: ExuCom Multimedia Inc.
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Bill Luciw (luciw@apple.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec27.020018.22830@mixcom.com> Caughill,
: Caughill@mixcom.mixcom.com writes:
: >me if I'm not. I'm looking to buy a reasonably expensive CD boombox with
: dual
: >tape cassette players. Can someone recommend something? Thanks! E-mail
: me at

: Listen to the Panasonic RX-DT707.  Can be had for about $400 US if you
: haggle.

	If you can deal without the dual cassette decks the Bose
AcousticWave is by *>FAR<* The Best portable system on the market
today.

	As I am posting this for a friend, you can contact him:

	Peter Labosky at (716) 282-1174

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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:12:19 GMT
Subject: Re: CD anti-skip buffer (Was: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>   [stuff deleted]...
>
>   I didn't like "Digital" in school since it was too simple and a typical
>   high-school student could be taught Boolean Logic - don't need an
>   engineering degree to "do that".  Good thing most picked "digital" as it
>   means good pay of us analog designers.
>
>I really must take exception with your knock on those of us who make our
>living in the digital world.  Having received what I believe to be a fairly
>well rounded Electrical and Computer Engineering education (everything from
>Circuits 1 to Op-Amp design to graduate level DSP), I have come to the
>conclusion that all fields of endeavor (at least in engineering) are as 
>"Hard" as we choose to make them.  
>
>  <deleted>
>					- C.J.
----------
Agreed, but...
I guess you missed my point or I thought it was obvious I was poking fun! 
Sorry to offend.  Pretty clear to me the complex DSP isn't "simple" but
then again it is a far cry from Boolean Logic diagrams.  You might counter
by saying all analog design is P=V*I.

Read some interesting quotes in Audiophile last night:

1)  Digital can be BETTER than analog and the reviewer actually listened and
    compared an analog master tape to a digitization (16b, 44.1khz) and
    D/A of the tape.  He thought that direct miking to the new system would
    (or could) be better than the analog master tape!

2)  Those that believe bits r bits are naive.

Now if Audiophile could just explain this "cable thing" as I can hear
jitter effects in CDs, but I sure haven't heard the cable effects they
claim.

Kirk out


From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:41:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to buy 1/4 open reel tape?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

/ hplsla:rec.audio / umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson) /  3:01 pm  Jan  8, 1993 /

> For nostalgic reasons and for long recording times I've been thinking about
> picking up a used open reel tape deck. (I've seen good quality ones in
> pawn shops for < $100)  However, I can't find any place in town selling
> the tape anymore!  Even Radio Shack discontinued selling their better
> quality reel tape this year.

> Any mail order houses I can order tape from?

  Tape World
  220 Spring St. Box 361
  Butler, PA 16003-0361
  1-800-245-6000

  carries the Maxell UD line of r-r tapes.  Give them a call & ask.

Ken `2 reels good' Snyder

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:02:30 GMT
Subject: Re: S/PDIF Data rate, was: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

I make more errors than a simple link.......

My quick quip at the end is wrong:  errors aren't corrected after
being transmitted on the fiber - just interpolated.  Not to worry as in
reality the error rate is usually one-a-day in systems with the intended
guardbands.

>Optical systems I design are designed to meet LAN standards and, for example,
>our 125 MB/s FDDI transmitters and receivers are designed to work with 2km
>of 62.5/125um fibers and we spec. a Bit-Error-Rate (BER) of less than
>10^-12 over a sampling window of 4.6 ns (8ns bit width).  Closer to the
>center of the eye, the BER is much, much less.  For our cheaper and much
>simpler fiber links (like the ones we sell to Sony for CDs), we spec a
>BER of 10^-9 which is something like one error every 10 minutes and is
>supposidly a piece of cake to fix with CD error correction.

I told some before I was analog.  I guess this shows just how obvious
it is!

Kirk out
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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Good X-OVER PRICE ?
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:08:37 GMT

	I found a used active crossover at a reputable recycled
stereo store and I am wondering if it is a reasonable price and/or
a reasonable product. I would be using it to bi-amplify a powered sub woofer.
It is a Dalquist DLP-1 electronic crossover and they want $249
for it, with 90day warranty and 1 year trade up for anything.
Anybody know anything about this (because I dont) ?

Thanks,
Dan Baldwin   baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu
From: Matt.Ion@p106.f7040.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Matt Ion)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: How can different digital cables sound different?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 08:09:08 -0800

 JP> Unless the cable is really bad and
 JP> causes errors/jitter, how can it matter?

It can't.  Why, who told you it did?  Salesman for an expensive cable? :)

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Re: NAD 2100 or Adcom GFA-545II/555II
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:28:11 GMT

yiky@bcarh29a (YikHon Yu) writes:

>Hi,

>I am considering getting a different power amp. Either
>a pair of NAD 2100s (in bridged mode) or an Adcom GFA-545II/555II.
>I have not listened to the NAD but it was well liked by TAS and
>Stereophile reviewers (in bridged mode). I was not impressed with the
>Adcom GFP565/GFA-545II combo driving the KEF C55s (the Mission
>Cyrus I sounded much better driving the KEFs), but I heard good
>things said about Adcom amps in the two mags and on the net.

	Things said about components in the mags and on the net are
useful for pointing you to a component that you might want to give an
audition to, or to stay away from seriously flawed designs.

	When comes down to actually shelling out money, trust your own
ears. It is your system, not the salesman's, and not the net's.

>My current system:

>   CDP:      Denon DCD1520
>   Pre:      Luxman C-03
>   Power:    Luxman M-02 (150 wpc)
>   Speakers: Celestion SL6S with 18" Si stands (leadshot filled)
>   Cables:   StraightWire LaserLink and LSI interconnects
>             Monster Cable Powerline 3 speaker cables

>I listen mostly to jazz, classical, and pop music.
>I wonder is anyone on the net using the above power amps to
>drive their Celestion SL6Ss (or is anyone using these speakers
>at all :-)) and what do they think of them.. If I get the Adcom,
>I'll propably upgrade the pre-amp to the GFP-565 eventually.

	My dealer sells Celestions, and these little suckers sound
*great* with an Acurus A250. This is comparable in price to the
Mission equipment that you mentioned above, and will walk all over
the Adcoms.

	I'm not sure that the SL6's can handle 250 watts, though.
You may want to get the 100wpc A100 instead. If you are on a budget
for your amps, then give a listen to the Parasound stuff. It is
comparable in price to the Adcoms, and many people feel that the
Parasounds are superior to the Adcoms. (My dealer included.)

>Also, is anyone using the Vandersteen (Sp?) IB loudspeakers? Are
>they any better than the Celestions?

	I, too, would be interested in such a comparison.

>Many thanks,
>Yik

						-Cal
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From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:19:09 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.audio, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
>It gets more bizarre than that!  I just got the latest J&R Music World
>catalog.  Prominently featured in the front pages:
>
>        Sony MZ-1       portable MD recorder/player     $700
>        Sony MZ-2P      portable MD player              $500
>        Technics RS-DC10 home DCC deck (rec/play)       "call for latest price"

BTW, I called J&R when I got the catalog a few days ago.  They still
haven't receved any MD units from Sony, and the salesman said he
didn't really expect them for another month (they were already
past due.)

They are taking orders however and they had 7 units on backorder.

Curt
From: nodrog@byron.u.washington.edu (Gordon Rubenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: System recommendation (NAD/Denon)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:09:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
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I'm in search of a receiver (or component equivalent) and speakers for
~$1200 to play mostly jazz and light rock (Paul Simon, REM) in a small
apartment listening room (ie, modest volume requirements).  So far I've
narrowed the choices down to Denon AVR-2000 or NAD 1600 preamp/2100 amp,
and Paradigm 5SE or Vandersteen 1B.  I like the surround sound on the
Denon and am not keen on the idea of spending $1000 down the road
(processor + 2nd amp) to add it to the NAD setup.  Unfortunately I can't
side by side audition the systems (different stores).  My bronze ear
doesn't think it can make out the difference between the 'audiophile' NAD
and 'mid-fi' Denon. 

So, (1) are the outboard surround/ProLogic processors THAT much better
than the Denon? (2) long-term will I be sorry I don't have the
"flexibility" of a component system (particularly appreciate hearing from
someone who might have made this mistake)?  (3) are there other systems I
should audition in the $6-800 range (Yamaha, Adcom, Parasound)? (4) how
would you match the Vandersteen/Paradigm to the systems? 

Thanks nodrog@byron.u.washington.edu (Gordon Rubenfeld)


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From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:25:43 GMT

In article <11900014@hpmwnpd2.sr.hp.com> Allan Armstrong writes:
>DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes:
>>In article <C0DCtn.4vL@CAM.ORG> pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin) writes:
>>>
>>>Rise and fall times have to do with TRANSISTORS, NOT CABLES!!!!
>>>
>>Nonsense, rise and fall times are related directly to bandwidth, no matter
>>how that bandwidth is achieved. For example, take a signal that has
>>precisely 0 rise and fall times, then stuff it through a simple RC filter
>>of, say, 50 ohms series and 100 pF parallel capacitance, then tell me you
>>see 0 rise and fall times on the outout.
>
>Richard, you forgot inductance...
>

No, I didn't. I simply used a specific example for illustration. And as
such, provided a real-world case of the issue at hand. The poster that
says that "rise and fall time have to do with transistors..." is simply
wrong. 

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