HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "derek finlay" <derek.finlay@canrem.com>
Subject: legalization in britian
Reply-To: "derek finlay" <derek.finlay@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:58:39 EST


LJM>I have to wonder about the medium used to take the drug (i.e.,
LJM>cigarettes), though.  Don't get me wrong, I prefer the British
LJM>program to the idiocy we have in the U.S.A.   However, it seems
LJM>that using the most addictive drug in the world to help addicts
LJM>cut back on other drugs, is not the best idea!

I thought Nicotine was or Crack was more addictive then the big H?!?
It seems to me that tolerance towards drugs is cyclic. The last cycle
started at the turn of the century when cocain and heroin could be
bought at your local apothecary shop along with a hypo if you did it
that way... then it became illegal then and frowned upon. The sixites
rolled on and tollerance was high again, alot of people wanted to and
did try it. Now tolerance is very low... Drugs are bad seems to be the
general consenus. I predict that within the next 30 years it will cycle
again....

        Look in Scientific America somewhere around a year ago I
        think... Its been awhile since I read about this notion
        and I hope I conveyed the right idea..:)


                Derek

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From: afisher@sun.lclark.edu (Amelia Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mushroom kits
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:23:20 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

I have a FOAF w/o net access who is interested in mushroom kits, and was
wondering what experience alt.drugs people have had with different 
companies, i.e. was it prompt, did you get what you wanted, did it work, etc.
Thanks in advance...
From: hemlock@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Bleeding Rivets)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: poppies
Summary: California poppies the stuff of dreams
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:41:59 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1993Jan2.181308.22299@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.062603.14794@fuug.fi> an4350@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>Does anyone know if commonly available varieties of poppies will produce
>>usable quantities of opium? 
>
>You mean poppies like California, Icelandic, or Oriental?  Zero, nothing,
>nada.  But depending on where you live, Papaver somniferum is available.
>I used to grow them.  And unless you want to put a lot of work into it,
>even those don't produce usable quantities of opium!
>-- 
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>Columbus, Ohio                             -- ALM German

I have no idea about Icelandic or Oriental poppies, but if you smoke the
dried leaves of the California poppy, you get a mellow opiate buzz.  It's
not morphine, but a related opiate of some sort.  Less strong, it seems,
and supposedly it will have no effect the second time in a day you smoke
it.  I remember a very pleasant relaxed occasion upon smoking this near
the end of a trip.
You may wish to be discreet about your collection of California poppies in
California, since they are protected in that state. Or raise them yourself;
they are very pretty flowers and require little care.
I have no idea what addictive potential they may have.  Proceed at your own
risk; for some people (as with other opiates) side effects may include nausea.




-- 
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of the free will?  Because outwardly we are the masters of madness, because
the insane are violated by us, and we hinder them from living according to
their ethical laws...Now we must endeavor to overcome the dead point in our
relationship to insanity."       --Wieland Herzfelde, 1914
From: anarch@Apple.COM (The Anarch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:05:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <dc.726693757@ais.org> dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:
>jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>>   By the way, I recall reading somewhere that drug dogs can smell a drug
>>hidden in an air-tight container in a full gasoline tank. This is a little
>>hard to believe.
>
>In the paper here in Detroit, I read a few months ago that there is
>a drug dog that can smell a joint going by in a car at 60 miles per hour.
>The article also said that the dog could smell other drugs, but I can't seem
>to recall which ones..  Should of saved the article.  Who knows how true it
>is though.... Seems hard to believe.

   Well, *I* can smell cigarettes in other cars on the freeway while I'm
driving, if they have windows open, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if a
dog could do as well.  It seems unlikely that they could pick out the right
vehicle from the side of the road, though, if it were crowded.
   The gasoline tank, though, strikes me as very far-fetched.  I don't have
any precise or technical knowledge of dogs' smelling abilities, but I've
spent a lot of time with hunting dogs (pointers) and from that experience
I would say no way could one find something concealed as described.  *But*
in practice I suspect that any attempt to conceal something that way, unless
undertaken with extraordinary care, would result in some of whatever substance
was being hidden getting on hands, the outside of the container, and the
outside of the tank.  I'm sure a dog could find it under those circumstances.

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From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:55:19 GMT

delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.233821.20948@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>>In article <9301041952.AA15384@TIS.COM> mjr@TIS.COM writes:
>>>	One thing that's interesting to note is that you used to (back
>>>in the 13th century) be able to grow tomatoes in Paris, France, in
>>>November. It was a lot warmer back then. Then there was this "mini ice
>>
>>Noone grew tomatoes in Europe in the 13th century.  They were thought
>>poisonous.  Europeans didn't start eating tomatoes to any great extent
>>until the late 18th century.
>>-- 
>No one grew tomatoes in Europe at all until the 16th century--they are
>native to the Americas.

>Scott DeLancey

No it's true it's true I swear! Oh also trees pollute more than cars too.
You just want to take away our jobs.
Just start listening to Ronnie and Rush Limbaugh and stop worrying.
Everything will be OK. Honest!

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From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: drug dog
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:57:14 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1icejaINN2kc@nic.umass.edu> leonard@thales.tmc.edu (Dave Leonard) writes:
>        My notes indicate that the pheromone associated with a female
>dog in estrus is  methyl _para_ hydroxy benzoate.  Can anyone verify
>this?  It would negate the usefulness of a 'drug dog' without causing
>any harm to the animal simply by being sprayed all over everything.
	Oooh, I like it.  Not only does it satisfy the animal lovers
	but it involves use of a substance that is not controlled and
	therefore there is little the authorities could do if they
	caught you with it.  (Imagine the headlines: "HS Student caught
	with bottle of Eau-de-chienne" ;-))
		


						smg
From: remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: looking for Timothy Leary
Date: 11 Jan 1993 09:00:30 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: world
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In article <93007.001207IO92404@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Jason Chase <IO92404@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> A friend of mine has is doing research on a VR project and would like to
> get in contact with Dr. Leary.  Any info regarding his email address
> or location would be appreciated.
> 
> J. Chase
> University of Maine

That's all I need, too, 'cause I am into a VR project as well.
Greetings:
Jan

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From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:26:45 GMT

jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
>In article <1i8tf6INNc99@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) writes:
>>Nitrous oxide is safe to the environment, true, but probably 
>
>Wrong. It is bad for the ozone layer.



  There is no proof that most of the things that most people believe are
  bad for the ozone layer really are.  Ozone depletion and the greenhouse
  effect are not only merely theories, but they are not even believed by 
  a majority of the scientific community.  Even proponents of these theories
  admit it will take at least another 25 years or so to prove or disprove them.
>
>>filled from a tank or collection of whipped cream cans.  Using 
>>it direct from the tank has the problem that the cold gas will 
>>freeze your lungs.  Using a mask could cause you to 
>
>This is very hypothetical. A friend of mine has sucked directly from a
>tank a zillion times with no problem. You just have to find a good touch
>to the valve and be careful - turning the knob is not to be done with
>"well yeah I'm gonna squeeze it good now" attitude.
>
>Human lungs are very small after all, and even if you froze your mouth
>it'd be ok again in a matter of seconds or tenths of seconds.
>
>-

  I don`t know about tanks, but trying to do a whippet right from the breaker
  without a balloon will freeze your mouth and lungs almost instantly.

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From: "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:34:47 -0500

In article <C0nsrD.97x@udecc.engr.udayton.edu> mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U)) writes:
>     One question though (truthfully and sincerely), what WOULD happen if
>you dumped a bit of acid in a swimming pool, or maybe something smaller like
>a Hot-Tub before a little party?  Would people start tripping from it, or 
>would it not have any effect because of the acid to water ratio, or would
>you actually have to drink the water or have an open wound or something?  Or
>would it just travel right through the skin?  Just curious.  

I always understood that you had to have some entry point.  That can
be a cut, a scrape, or a mucous membrane where the substance can
enter.  If there was no contact like that, you'd have to have a
chemical carrier to take it "through" the skin.  

Then a discussion on here came up about "patches."  It seemed pretty
well agreed that if you soaked a cotton ball in a solution of water
and lsd, that if placed against the skin for a time, you'd start
tripping.  This doesn't make sense toome.  If I take a bath, my skin
soaks up water, but it doesn't allow water to pass through my skin and
into my blood stream.  We'd all be running like hell when it rained
because we'd be dead, not to mention we sure as hell wouldn't swim or
take baths.  What's the scientific word on this? 

amy
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From: st1o5@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: SHROOMS:  agar medium
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:23:35 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1o5@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

Does anyone know what the consistency of the agar medium should be when
trying to get a mycellium culture started (i.e. jello-like, runny, hard,
whatever)?  Does it really matter very much?  Also, when using a malt/yeast
base for the agar, what are the proper proportions to mix it in with water?
I'm looking for a recipe along the lines of:
1/8 cup yeast
1/8 cup agar
1 pt. water
Thanks in advance for any help.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: Fuck nicotine
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:50:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.105007.1@deep-13.gizmo.com>, maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com writes:
> In article <1301300236@igc.apc.org>, ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami) writes:
> > 
> > Fuck nicotine, fuck, fuck
> > 
> > Fuck, nicotine, fuck, fuck
> > 
> > Fuck nicotine, I'm fucked, I'm fucked.
> > 
> > 3 days
> > 
> > And this shit is legal?
> 
> I bet you're feeling *really* cranky right now.
> 
> I did.
> 
> (over six months since my last M*rlb*r*)
				 ^^^^^^^^^
	Do you know those things aren't legally available in Canada, because
the company refuses to give a list of their additives to Health & Welfare
Canada (regulatory gov't agency)?  
	Makes me wonder just what is in those things.
> 
> congratulations from a former two pack a day addict.

Yah, good luck with it. I'm trying to quit for the fourth or fifth time.
> 
> max.
> mmonningh@igc.org
> 

Later,
dave


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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: mailer chokes on shipment of cowdung from overseas, chicken plant
Date: 4 Jan 1993 09:11:31 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

which gutter on the net did this pompous asshole crawl out of anyway? 

cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence) writes:
>	Your problem is not stupidity but an unwillingness to listen or explore
>the concepts involved in these messages, plus a basic combativeness arising
>from your basic adherence to another agenda besides truth -- much like Xians
>will do almost anything to prove the bible "correct."

Pardon, it does sound to me more like *you* are the one engaging in the
latter behavior.

>This is a complicated
>issue, but it can be understood, and my messages provide a clue at least toward
>it (if they are as badly crafted as you say).

No they don't.  First of all, cut the lousy memetic bullshit and say
something substantial.  Second, get a clue yourself -- I know exactly what
you are trying to convey and you're wrong, because you're adhering to the
same tired mind over body dogma, and not to the reality of the equivalence
of the mind and the brain.

>However, your email was mainly
>aimed at attempting to either batter me down with bullshit logic (yours) or
>provide erroneous attempts to scientificize this process, although it already
>has grounding in developed areas of science (Sean's letters are of the latter
>type).  

it isn't well grounded at all.  Come back in a few decades after we have
a better knowledge of the neurochemical processes of the brain and where
the "boundaries" between the mind and the brain are, and it might be
well grounded.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: mbrownel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Mark Brownell)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: dumbshits flailing...
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:54:09 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1993Jan2.150116.1@pomona.claremont.edu>
cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence) writes:

>>Alcohol can have its uses: the relaxatin of inhibitions can do wonders
>>for overcoming artistic "blocks" (ie, writers block, etc)
>>Unfortunately, so can LSD ( I don't know about MDMA), making that not a
>>unique validation.
>
>	Agreed.  A little oversimplified.  Nietzsche says it best.

This is a fallacy. There is no direct relationship between artistic
creativity and alcohol. I recommend you both read "The Thirsty Muse" by
Tom Dardis (Ticknor & Fields, New York).
 
 Mark B.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Spanish pharmacies.           
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:40:00 +0000

 Does anyone know of any Spanish or Mexican pharmacies that will supply
international mail order?

 Because alt-drugs is filtered out of the UKNet news feed and can't be
received at this site I'd appreciate email replies.

                                               Thanks!

                                                       John.


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From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:33 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan5.164512.14853@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes...
>In article <1i5rt9INN8e2@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>>Aside from buying all the Reddi Whip in Virginia, where do you get 
>>it?  Is this something I can look up in the yellow pages and order a bottle
>>of.  I'm running out of teeth to get drilled.
> 
>Go to a kitchen store (such as Lechter's) and tell them you want to make
>your own whipped cream.  Don't tell them you plan to leave the cream out of
>the mix.  Plan on spending $30-$40 for the machine and $7 for a box of 10
>charging canisters ("chargers").  Each charger is good for about a lungfull.
> 
     I would recommend getting the canisters of Nitrous from your local outlet, 
in New Jersey we had the Service Merchandise stores to go to.  The Head Shops
in CA also carry canisters of Nitrous, but they are way more expensive.  I would
really recommend getting what we called 'chargers', or a seal-breaker which can
be inserted into one of those punching balloons (thick) or a regular balloon
These were $8-$12 for an plastic (these froze and cracked easily) to a 
nice brass one.  Better than $40.
      I do not recommend that you use any form of compressed nitrous without a 
balloon because my friend did this in high school, thinking there was a little
left in the canister, using the afforementioned 'charger', and a tiny, almost
invisible white cone came out of the charger and froze the skin on the end of 
his nose.  It was right before swim practice for us (he was the captain then -
the year before I was), and when we dove in, the skin fell off of his nose, and
he was in agony.  It looked like he got a concrete burn or something!
can't imagine that inside my mouth mouth mouth outh outh th th h h h h 


later 
-tc
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mbrownel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Mark Brownell)
Subject: Re: Mushrooms
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:39:54 GMT

In article <725940898snx@scarla.UUCP> darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
writes:
>Does anyone have any advise on countering the common side effects of
>mushrooms.  i.e. nasea, stomach cramps, coming down.


A full stomach helps beforehand, Darin. Try pasta or heavy breads.
(Shroom pizza topping!) As for coming down - alas...

What goes up...

Mark B.:-)



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From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:31:05 GMT

In article <1i8tf6INNc99@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) writes:
>Nitrous oxide is safe to the environment, true, but probably 

Wrong. It is bad for the ozone layer.

>filled from a tank or collection of whipped cream cans.  Using 
>it direct from the tank has the problem that the cold gas will 
>freeze your lungs.  Using a mask could cause you to 

This is very hypothetical. A friend of mine has sucked directly from a
tank a zillion times with no problem. You just have to find a good touch
to the valve and be careful - turning the knob is not to be done with
"well yeah I'm gonna squeeze it good now" attitude.

Human lungs are very small after all, and even if you froze your mouth
it'd be ok again in a matter of seconds or tenths of seconds.

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From: an2509@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Cannabis Gender
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:37:16 GMT

Is there any way to tell a marijuana plant's gender before flowering begins?
Also, what aspects of the environment before flowering influence a plant's
gender, or is it already determined genetically in the seed?
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From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: nitrous tanks
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:40 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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In New Jersey I knew someone who was actually a nitrous freak, he took the shit
like heroin and actually curled up in the corner and turned blue from the shit.
I actually turned blue from the shit once, that's why I gave my chargers away,
but this guy stayed down there and stayed blue.  His friend had a full tank
like you see on the trucks with the stake-bed sides and the non-flammable gas
signs on them.  4-5' tall, full of nitrous.  I remember trying to carry that 
thing up the stairs, with three of us.  It was cold outside (28' F or so),
I don't know if that matters, but the gas would roll back in forth with the 
angle of the tank and it was like 100 lbs shifting back and forth or something,
from the front to the back.  The total weight was probably at least 300 lbs.
So we just hooked childrens' party balloons to the thing and smoked hash and
drank beer.  It was ok except the tweaker.  Word has it from the owner, that
in order to get nitrous tanks, you must be a.) a licensed dentist, b.) a 
licensed welder/contractor, c.) a race car owner, or d.) some other obscure
things (in NJ).
I think this guy had a car sitting in his yard collecting weeds, and had his
mom get the tank, because it was 'better than smoking weed and shit' according
to him, and apparently his mom cuz the guy was like 17.



later
-tc

sample me I'm an artist
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