HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: PREPARING FOR THE CHA
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Reply-To: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 

..Jeffrey Chance...........................................................
.glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks)  writes:                 .
.>I agree that you rest between lives, but I cannot agree that resting is .
.>the MAJOR purpose of that experience.  Going over your most recently    .
.>finsihed life is also an activity.  Going to schools of learning is done.
.>there.  Helping folks on the Earth plane is done there.  If the soul is .
.>advanced enough, then planning the next incarnation is an important     .
.>activity, as well as making agreements with other souls to do group     .
.>works.                                                                  .
.                                                                         .
.Yes, I did not mean that the -only- purpose was rest, that the soul      .
.is just doing nothing in the soul's world. Of course the soul will       .
.be involved in things there, but throughout all these things, it is      .
.all still rest in the sense that there is no exertion, no                .
.transcendence of consciousness that takes place there as it does         .
.on Earth, at least for the majority of souls (according to my            .
.understanding of it from my readings so far).                            .
...........................................................................


Good, I agree with you about the rest.  I think it is good that we
cleared up what you meant, cuz some folks may have thought that after
you die, you just lay around and sleep.

Glenda
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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:15:39 GMT
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL

In article <1993Jan20.231528.25880@newshost.lanl.gov> jlg@sahara.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:
>In article <serb.352@polisci.umn.edu>, serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
>|> [...]
>|> Some of the shows really blow me away with the power of their message, as 
>|> did the first Deep Space Nine episode which dealt with a powerful emotional 
>|> theme, the nature of time, and a bit tension and drama.  [...]
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>That was one of the most comical sequences I've ever encountered.  These
>alians conduct a discussion with the human character in an ordered sequence
>of topics, inferences, etc. and yet claim to be ignorant of the nature of
>time.  If they can conduct an ordered interview, they know of time.
>
>-- 
>J. Giles

It was only PRESENTED that way so you, a mere human, could comprehend
the purely mental exchange of ideas between the characters in a linear
fashion... You are so arrogant in your ignorance! (-8
- Mike

PS> By the way... you really backpedaled on the issue "people who view
Star Trek regularly are intellectually inferior to my well-read self".
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: jsbus@netcom.com (JSB Corp)
Subject: Re: The Integratron.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:03:54 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

(...20 lines del.)

>   Would you want to have the ability to be regressed?
>John Winston.

It is my belief that we do have the ability to be regressed,
and, sure I want it!

Doing extensive pranayama (breathing exercises) like rebirthing
and keeping our emotional bodies clear, and our lives fun and 
facinating  is all it takes (in my belief system :-) ) to
keep our our bodies young and healthy.  I have seen people
drop decades as they learn to forgive, and believe "youthing"
to be possible.

Tom Wallace (tomwa@jsbus.com)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: UFO Genius.
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:01:27 GMT


In article <C17yBM.2yC@athena.cs.uga.edu>, jball@athena.cs.uga.edu (Bouncing Ball) writes:

|>[Stuff deleted]
|>
|>>Source of Information: 26-Sun-December 22, 21992.
|>>JW speaking. What do you think of that? 
|>>John Winston.
|>
|>John, could you be a little more specific about your source of
|>information?  This sounds interesting, but you didn't leave much of a
|>clue as to where people could look this stuff up for themselves.
|>

If his sources are not "The Weekly World New" then it is his own dementia.


Steve Food_for_the_Greys
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:42:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Teacher, teacher I go declair, I believe Tom is teling 
us a bit of truth.
John Winston
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Organization: Florida State University
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:22:00 EST

In article <74195@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Subject: How To Become A Para Normal Investigator. 
>                                                ...The first bit of good 
> advice came from a good friend of mine by the name of Sister Thedra. I asked 
> her advice as to what I should do many year ago when I first started in all 
> of this and she said, "John now that you getting started in this my advice 
> would be for you NOT TO DESIRE PHENOMENA BUT ONLY DESIRE TRUTH."  By this 
> she meant to not go around looking for a lot of ghosts and spirits because 
> they will usually just lead you around because they want someone to listen 
> to them. 

No, I don't think that is what she meant.  I think she meant that there are
a lot of interesting things out there, both physical and psychic, but by
becoming too involved with them we can easily lose sight of what is really
important.   That does not mean they shouldn't be explored, just not to be
so wrapped up in them that you miss what is really important.

-- 

Have fun!

   =-Kathy->                                   waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:51:00 GMT

In article <74192@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>Dear People: Someone asked for more information about becoming a Genius
>by being worked on by the people in the UFOs. That's all the information
>that has come my way at the present time. If I get more information
>I'll try to pass it on to you.
>John Winston.

John, I've been away since December 3rd, and you just can't imagine how
happy I am that you're still posting to the net.  1993 is saved for me
already!

Dale

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Don't Worry Be Happy.
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:37:39 GMT

In article <74265@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear People Great and Small:  I believe the expression Don't Worry 
>Be Happy comes from Hawaii and the native people over there say it 
>all the time. Welcome to Mr. Sarfatti to this group. I can't say that 
>I fully comprehend what you are trying to say just as I don't understand
>Kibo but I defend your right to say it. Be sure and wear your asbestos
>underwear.
>John Winston

Are you defending is right to say "Kibo!" or to say "It!"?

					-- K.
					Never shout "Theater!" in
					a fired crowd.
From: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: RA: Earth changes Density
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Reply-To: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 

..Grizzly Amber...........................................................
.The density pertains to that portion of space that we have just entered..
.Density here does not refer to molecular density as in physics, but to  .
.a level of the eternal wheel we repeat every so many thousands of years .
.(1st Density, 2nd... etc.). The 4th Density is the last cycle before we .
.repeat the 1st. To survive, we must raise our personal vibrations to a  .
.level that is sufficiently beyond what our current physical/spiritual   .
.state is. Those who are not ready for 4th Density will reincarnate on   .
.another planet elsewhere in the galaxy that is still in 3rd Density.    .
..........................................................................


Ra says there are more densities after #4, there is 5,6,7 and then 8
will begin a new octave, and it goes on and on.

Glenda
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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:50:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <serb.358@polisci.umn.edu> serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
>In article <C1F94E.9Ip@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>>  I think what's happening is that you're getting out of it MORE
>>  than what the writers originally put in.  The "meaning" of the
>>  content is coming from inside your, kind of like a video Rorshach
>>  (sp?) test.
>
>But isn't there value in that?  Doesn't the writing have to be somewhat 
>inspired in order to motivate the kinds of discussions and ideas people have 
>when they see these shows?

  I don't know -- intelligent people can "see the universe in a drop
  of dew", but this doesn't say anything in particular about the drop
  of dew.  There is a well-known standup comedian (Howie Mandell?)
  who has a routine involving Bazooka Joe (of bubble gum comic fame)
  and his friend, whose name escapes me at the moment - 

  In the first panel Bazooka Joe throws a clock out the window.  His 
  friend asks, "Why did you throw that clock out the Window, Bazooka
  Joe?"  And Bazooka Joe says, "Because I wanted to see time fly."
  (Audience titters - comedian continues:) "Time, Bazooka Joe?  Isn't
  that a rather ethereal concept? . . . " -- and continues in this
  new vein for several more lines elevating Bazooka Joe and his friends
  to higher philosophical status than the bubble-gum company ever
  imagined.

  Using your line of reasoning, one could probably find a starting
  off point for a perfectly intelligent discussion in Lost In Space,
  Gilligan's Island, or even a Usenet posting.   But this is not to
  say that these things are, in and of themselves, intelligently
  thought out, insightful, or cogent -- only that some theme, plot
  element, or phrase inspired or stimulated actual thought on the
  part of a viewer.
                   

---peter
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Don Allen
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:10:03 GMT

In article <2B5750E9.815D@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to mdl@oscar.bellcore.com (Michael Lynch):
>>According to dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen):
>>> Sheesh..why do I bother reading this newsgroup? 
>>
>>Don't stop!!  You and a few others are the only reason I still subscribe
>>to this group.  Your posts are sane and informative, and always interesting.
>
>Ask Don about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  _Then_ praise him.
>-- 
>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
>   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
>   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"

Yo Dickhead! :-)

You looking for a fight? Well stick your head up and your ass and fight for
AIR you insignificant little dweeb.

HAR HAR HA,I kill me....

Psstt..come up close here..
                             .
                                .
                                  . 
                                   *#$


Why don't you post your address so I can you a dollar to buy a clue.? 
 
I already settled this in email so WHY are you deliberately provoking
a negative response and casting apersions about _my_ character when
you know less than dog shit about me or what things *I* go through?

You don't know jack shit about me bub, and considering the way you've
consistently mis-characterized me tells me that you aren't even worth
the value of fly excreta as a person. I want nothing to do with you or
"your kind"..in other words, go peddle it somewheres else and keep your
smart assed remarks to yourself for if you don't I will surely add your
name encoded in a most derogatory way conceivable in every *text* I
disseminate , which I might add is a considerable amount. Your choice.

"Your move, creep"



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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Meditation
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:34:28 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1993Jan19.101736.1@wizard.colorado.edu> smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>Greetings,
>
>Would you please suggest some books about meditation?  I am having trouble
>getting focused and need some help that perhaps some books can give me.
>
>Also, if you have any hints,  I would greatly appreciate your sharing them with
>me.
>
>thanks in advance
>
>
>Meg

Try Rudolf Steiner's "Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its Attainment"

It is available from Anthroposophic Press, Hudson, NY.  There are several other
titles but this is his seminal and most comprehensive practical work on meditation, 
and basically the best one to start right out with.


Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Gremlin.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:37:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: I do declare I think my computer has a Gremlin in it. I'd
better go to Art Martin and get it kicked out.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 06:43:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: I enjoyed the quote from Buddha. I believe you will find
that he is one of the good guys (Great White Brotherhood).
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: What is a Bigfootb?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:59:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folk: I must at this time be candid, honest and true. A Bigfootb 
is Bigfoot with a mistake of putting an extra be on the end. There I 
said it and I feel better for the telling of truth.
John Winston.
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Rudolph Steiner (was Re: Meditation)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:27:49 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

Gerry Palo writes:

>Try Rudolf Steiner's "Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its
>Attainment."  It is available from Anthroposophic Press, Hudson, NY.
>There are several other titles but this is his seminal and most
>comprehensive practical work on meditation, and basically the best one
>to start right out with.

Gerry, how about telling us a bit about Steiner?  How did he see the
world?  What makes you think he was right or on the right track?

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: I'm back.
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:34:47 GMT

In article <73949@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Everbody: I just got back on the Net. It's sort of like the sign
>they had out in front of the psychic's convention that said, "Cancelled
>due to unforseen difficulties. I'll catch up with you people later.
>John Winston.

Oh no, he forgot to close the quote marks!  That means that everything
I'm typing here is actually part of what the sign said!  Waah!  I feel
my copyright to this text slipping away!

					-- K."

P.S.  Hi, sillm.

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles)
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:53:34 GMT

In article <C1FM4J.vr@cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
|> [...]
|> Well, actually folklorists do it all the time.  And the analogy is
|> HIGHLY relevant:  folk beliefs and stories have meanings, purposes,
|> and existance that has nothing at all to do with claims of "scientific"
|> or "rational" existence.  
|> [...]
|> Anyway, these claims CAN be studied, at least if you treat them as
|> folk traditions and act accordingly.

Agreed.  My remarks were addressed entirely at the idea that these
were real phenomena in the sense of something deserving of scientific
study in their own right.  If they are purely folklore or something
of the sort, then the only *scientifically* appropriate study is
socialogical or psychological.

Such things are not necessarily valueless, and I didn't say they were.
They just aren't scientifically valid.

--
J. Giles
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From: jhallen@world.std.com (Joseph H Allen)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:07:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.183130.13057@newshost.lanl.gov> jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:
>In article <C15to1.Hr1@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>|> [...]
>|>   TV has nothing like this.  The closest program is probably
>|>   PBS's NOVA, and that's probably no better than high-school
>|>   science.  NOVA is constantly interrupting itself to explain
>|>   the meaning of some term or concept that I think a well-educated
>|>   person should already understand.
>
>I some future age, I'd like to see *one* astronomy documentary
>which can discuss the results of spectroscopy without going into
>a long description of the electromagnetic spectrum, rainbows, prisms,
>and such because the producers of the documentary assume that the
>viewers don't know what spectroscopy is.

:-) This reminds me of the last NOVA epsisode I saw, the one about dolphins. 
They had quite a difficult time breaking the, ah, puritanical ice.  The
first 40 mins of the show were basically wasted on preparing sensitive
viewers enough so that they could even talk about dolphin sex.  They
actually got far enough so that they could show a biologist saying "Bingo
has _quite_ an erection...." It's too bad, because they could only just
touch upon an incredibily intersting subject.

Some of the epsiodes are pretty good though.  I liked the one where they
showed the engineering of an infrared satellite.  

Of course the best nature documentary narrator is
David -humans-are-evil-and-the-earth-would-be-better-off-without-them- Suzuki.

That guy's *really* depressed about humanity.
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From: c_snet@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Don't worry be happy.
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:44:32 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

What are you thaking about John "Don't worry be happy", it is probably the most
stupid thing I have ever heard. Here is why : 1st the world is just now about
to be destroyed by aliens and all people have to live forever as prisoners on
the planet Urggghh and all humans will live in eternal pain. 2nd Bill Clinton
is elected president in United States  of America. 3rd Knut Ryan is loose on
Internet.  How in the world can you say "don't worry be happy"??

      Greetingz from Knut The Great !!!!!

In article <73986@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Folks: Boy, you people have really put on a lot of postings
> since I've been gone. I'm  still not caught up. All I have to say is,
> don't worry be happy. 
> John Winston.
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANITY AND NEWAGE
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:22:44 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

Vicki Goff writes:

>The bible says that it is appointed unto man to die once and then judgement,
>therefore, there is no such thing as reincarnation according to scripture.
>Also, Christianity does not give enlightenment, it stresses man's need
>for forgiveness and it is this principle that makes it completely different
>from any other religion. 

The *Christian* bible may say that; the Jewish one certainly doesn't.
Jews have a well developed concept of reincarnation, all based on Jewish
scripture, as I've presented here many times.

I again suggest that discussions of Christian doctrine be carried out on
s.r.christian and not here on t.r.na.

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com