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From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Remember Cyprus
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:48:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Sep03.024446.54049@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <Btz4rn.Jzx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>(Besime Erin) writes:
>>
>>Oh!!! I am soooo very glad to be back here again!!!!!!! 
>
>Which supports the argument that the Denktash paradise is actually a hell.

Off course you took it in the way you wanted to.

NO, I had a good time at home,it was very enjoyable. My community is
actually in ok shape. They are hanging in there against all sorts of 
pressures exerted by their friendly(?!!!) compatriots. 

>
>>I want to start WITH A CLEAN SHEET OF PAPER ... 
>
>We will hold on to the titles of our land.

That's your problem. Not mine! 

>
>>Grow up Theodore! Grow up! THe picture is not black and white its GREY!!!!! 
>
>Actually, in free Cyprus, the pictures come in color.

Very Funny! and on the real Cyprus map there is a GREEN LINE!  

>
>>You are talking about a Cyprus in pieces and shambles! I am not so sure
>>that EEC will pick it up for you!
>
>The pieces and the shambles were picked very nicely by us in free Cyprus.
>We could transform occupied Cyprus too, but you don't want to.

We CAN and WILL do it ourselves, THANK YOU! 


>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."


Besime Erin
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From: palaio@ux1.lbl.gov (Nicholas P Palaio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish Tea
Date: 3 Sep 1992 23:49:46 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: palaio@ux1.lbl.gov (Nicholas P Palaio)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.lbl.gov

Last year I traveled to Turkey and really took a liking to the tea served
there.  I was able to bring a small amount home with me to the US, but
now I have unfortunately ran out.

My question is - Is there anywhere Turkish-grown tea can be purchased by
mail-order or in person (I live in the SF Bay Area) in the US.  I recall
one of my guidebooks saying that it was not permitted to export tea from
Turkey.  

Thanks in advance for your help.

Nick Palaio
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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe
Subject: 'M.U.T.L.Us Inability To Distinguish Between Italy and Greece
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>source. Your inability to distinguish between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux'
>is incredible. You 'palikaryas' make me laugh. The Dodocanese islands
>in the Aegean Sea must be demilitarized in accordance with the Montreux
>Treaty (1936). Flouting this international accord, Greece has built

 Mutlu, you moron, now you've done it!

 In 1936, the Dodecanese was under ITALIAN rule!

 Greece did not receive D. until 1945, as war reparations. How in the
name of G.d and/or Allah could Greece demilitarize the Italian army
in 1936?

 I guess the same way that Greece occupied South East anatolia, as you
have claimed in the past!

 In light of the above, your claims about the Armenian atrocities
against Turks are beginning to make sense. You are obviously refering to
the Armenian atrocities in 1934, during Mao's long march through Mexico,
whose goal was to unite the Italian people against the Czar!
 Now, that makes sense!


Michael.
                                                                            
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From: martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Dirty tricks and (some) Turks
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:05:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Clearpoint Inc., Hopkinton, MA

In article <1992Aug23.025938.528@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>Turks genocided Armenians.  Armenians did not genocide Turks.  Mutlu wins by
>getting the public to believe that both claims are of similar veracity.

>Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;

Mindless massacre of whole peoples is part of the Middle Eastern
cultural milieu.  For this reason all mindlessly stupid Middle Eastern
cultures must be supplanted by Americanism.

In the case of Armenians vs. Turks, in late Ottoman times the
Armenians of all Middle Eastern peoples were perhaps most advanced in
absorbing mindlessly stupid nationalist concepts and really did
undertake a tremendous amount of violence against Muslims, Jews and
some non-Armenian Christians.  From the standpoint of traditional
Muslim morality, some Armenians constituted a dhimmi community in
rebellion, which from the standpoint of Islamic jurisprudence merit
resubjugation and perhaps extermination.

As a consequence, Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic and Persian
Muslims undertook military action against some Armenians although many
Ottoman Armenian communities were left unmolested in contradistinction
to Nazi German treatment of the Jews.  Greeks, British, Russians,
Georgians, French and Germans all made the situation worse by inciting
the various participants.  The Muslims and the Armenians as Middle
Eastern barbarians did not make the civilized Western distinction
between military and civilian personnel.

But attempting to view any of the parties as equivalent to Nazi
Germans rejecting civilized modernity and engaging in modern
technocratic mass slaughter is simply wrong.  In point of fact a bunch
of Middle Eastern barbarian savages were acting like a bunch of Middle
Eastern barbarian savages with encouragement from misbehaving
bystanders.  There really is not much more to say.


--
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
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From: secsu@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ralph O. Clark)
Subject: Re: Greece Was The Sole Perpetrator Of Invasion On That Island.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  2 Sep 1992 00:40 EST  

In article <9208311728.A6556hy@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes...
> 
> 
> 
> 
><29AUG199220445336@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
>secsu@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ralph O. Clark)
> 
>>2) What REALLY happened to the "missing" people? Saying (as you have posted
>>previously) that they were victims of Greek-Greek violence won't wash. I
> 
>"Yannopoulus"s statement still contains some substance, too.
> 

As a matter of fact, it really doesn't.

> 
>Source: Statement made by Mr. Evangelos Yannopoulus - the Greek Minister
>	of Maritime Affairs, ELEFTHEROTIPIA, July 4, 1988
> 

I just *knew* you would resort to this. How is a *Greek* (not a Cypriot,
and certainly not present during the captures) supposed to know
what happened to my friends' husbands and fathers? Unless you are claiming
that the Turks who captured them turned them over to Sampson's people?
That would really support the theories of international collusion in
the Cyprus issue.

>       "The two myths in Cyprus must be exposed as lies. The first myth 
>	is the case of missing persons and the second is the myth of the 
>	invasion of Cyprus by Turkey. The Greek Cypriots presented as 
>	missing persons were actually the victims who were killed during 
>	the Sampson Coup. As regards the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, it 
>	was the Greek military that staged the coup and toppled Makarios 
>	at a time when he was an internationally recognized President of 
>	Cyprus. How is it possible to topple Makarios and start slaughtering 
>	the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and impose a mad man like 
>	Sampson to head the Cyprus Government and yet expect no reaction 
>	from Turkey?"
> 

This is exactly the letter I referred to in my original post. As I said,
and for the reasons I gave (which you edited out), it won't wash.
(i.e. this has no validity)

>Serdar Argic
> 

Are you really Hasan Mutlu, or are there two of you now?

>                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

At least your .sig is a little less gruesome.


Ralph
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Remember Cyprus
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:44:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <Btz4rn.Jzx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Besime Erin) writes:
>
>Oh!!! I am soooo very glad to be back here again!!!!!!! 

Which supports the argument that the Denktash paradise is actually a hell.

>I want to start WITH A CLEAN SHEET OF PAPER ... 

We will hold on to the titles of our land.

>Grow up Theodore! Grow up! THe picture is not black and white its GREY!!!!! 

Actually, in free Cyprus, the pictures come in color.

>You are talking about a Cyprus in pieces and shambles! I am not so sure
>that EEC will pick it up for you!

The pieces and the shambles were picked very nicely by us in free Cyprus.
We could transform occupied Cyprus too, but you don't want to.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin
Subject: Re: Ken Mcvay: Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war.
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:50:12 GMT





<1992Aug31.165155.15517@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)

>runs, whatever. Mutlu is a prime example of abuse on a massive scale.

Sure, "mutlu" also eats your clothes. Anyway, during World War II Armenians 
were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over 
the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, 
carried statements as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and
  see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Steve Simmons (Hela.Iti)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:50:09 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><scs.715025782@wotan.iti.org>
>scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)

>>>'Simmons.' This is one theory that you 'wieneramus' keep throwing out 
>>>of your hat without having ever presented a shred of evidence to back 
>>>it up.

>>Best laugh I've had all day.

>What you are doing does not constitute an acceptable reply.

A giggle a day keep the idiots at bay.
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
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From: edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)
Subject: Armenians GENOCIDE 750 Million Turks, Story at 11.
Organization: Ozone Depleting Shoulder Launched Stealth FAXs, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:57:35

In article <9208271659.A7857LU@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
   edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)

   >your masters in Ankara wanted.  They have given the firm impression
   >that Turks are a bunch of self-righteous fanatics who should not be
   >taken seriously.  May be you should try quality rather than quantity
   >next time, eh???

   Just say so, 'ya-ak yutan.' During the First World War and the ensuing 
   years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated 
   and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of 
   annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 
   2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year 
   homeland.

[yak, yak, yak]

The ASALA/ARF Terrorist Rhombus has perpetrated genocide on the
great Turkish nation once more.  This time they blew up the mountains
of central Turkie thus sending billions of tons of rocks into the air.
After the rocks fell, they GENOCIDED an estimated 750 Million Turks,
Tartars, and Azeris. According to CNN, Hasan "Bubba" Mutlu was not
harmed (damn!).  The subversive Greeks have also insituted
premeditated GENOCIDE on the Turkish minority in Greece by making them
swim home to Turkey.  The latest reports out of the central Bazaar in
Istanbul say that about 300 Million Turks drowned.
[.......]

I am starting to suspect Mutlu is a runaway program designed to pass
the Turing Test.  

kill -9 <mutlu>
HALT
ABEND
DIE
QUIT
EXIT
ARF
armenians
genocide
"Men Are Like That..."
Erzurum

--
Bus error, core dumped
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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Remember Cyprus
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:17:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <Bu0v83.GH3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu 
(Besime Erin) writes:
>
>Off course you took it in the way you wanted to.

With a teacher like you, I'm learning fast :-)

>NO, I had a good time at home,it was very enjoyable. My community is
>actually in ok shape. They are hanging in there against all sorts of 
>pressures exerted by their friendly(?!!!) compatriots. 

Denktash and Co. are trying to push you out of the island and totally
replace you by settlers, aren't they?
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Greece Was The Sole Perpetrator Of Invasion On That Island.
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:14:52 GMT





<2SEP199217465330@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
secsu@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ralph O. Clark)

>>Sure. Now, try this one.
>> 
>>        The  Letter  Sent by Archbishop Makarios to the President of  the 
>>        Greek Republic, General Phaedon Gizikis on 2 July 1974

>[Makarios' letter, previously posted many times by HBM, deleted]

Too bad.

>I get it. So a letter written before the coup and invasion has some bearing
>on the question of what happened to people captured by Turks during the
>invasion?

Excuse me.

>point is that the so-called "agnooumenoi" ("missing people") were captured
>by Turkish troops and never seen again. No number of "official" documents,
>especially those written before the coup, can alter this.

Be my guest.

Source: Statement made by Mr. Evangelos Yannopoulus - the Greek Minister
	of Maritime Affairs, ELEFTHEROTIPIA, July 4, 1988

       "The two myths in Cyprus must be exposed as lies. The first myth 
	is the case of missing persons and the second is the myth of the 
	invasion of Cyprus by Turkey. The Greek Cypriots presented as 
	missing persons were actually the victims who were killed during 
	the Sampson Coup. As regards the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, it 
	was the Greek military that staged the coup and toppled Makarios 
	at a time when he was an internationally recognized President of 
	Cyprus. How is it possible to topple Makarios and start slaughtering 
	the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and impose a mad man like 
	Sampson to head the Cyprus Government and yet expect no reaction 
	from Turkey?"

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: It is not surprising that Armenians collaborated with the Nazis.
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:36:05 GMT





<4502.3248.uupcb@factory.com>
michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

> Mutlu, you moron, now you've done it!

The wonders of the "Pol*s".

>against Turks are beginning to make sense. You are obviously refering to
>the Armenian atrocities in 1934, during Mao's long march through Mexico,

I say it's all there. Numerous articles in major newspapers (London Times) 
and periodicals (Newsweek) during the war, had suggested the existence 
of a significant collaboration between Armenians and the Nazis. Arthur 
Derounian deserves credit for being the first person to deal with this 
issue extensively. Derounian's motives were twofold: his deeply held
democratic convictions gave him a sense of duty and he felt obliged
to shed light on this yet another dark chapter of Armenian history.
Concurrently, Derounian embarked on what one would call 'crisis
control' or face-saving. In order to forestall any potential attacks
on the larger Armenian community in the United States, he marginalized
collaboration as deplorable but insignificant.[1]

[1] John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), 'The Plotters,'
    E. P. Dutton & Company, Inc., New York 1946, p. 182.

It is not surprising, that parts of the Dashnaktzoutun collaborated with 
the Nazis.

 "Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously
  pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish,
  as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and 
  anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1]

[1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' 
    Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.
  
Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin
From: kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Hasan Mutlu
Summary: Domain parks
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.164231.243@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.034946.23143@tygra.Michigan.COM> root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root) writes:
>>Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts. As of this
>>time, because we are in a temporary location without adequate phone lines
>>the feed to anadolu and our other downstream sites are suspended. I don't
>>know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
>>is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
>>temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.
>
>Does the usage of  name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" constitutes any forgery 
>or crime by HBM who continues to post while the MICHIGAN site is 
>temporarly out of service?  What is forged here?  Since a person pays 
>a fee, he/she gets the right of usuing the domain name for a period of 
>time on a rental basis. Does the usuage of the site resources become a 
>mendatory obligation to use the domain identifier in the postings?

If you have the right to use a domain park address (which is what Michigan.Com
is really, just like my home machine domain park "mcs.com") then I don't see 
the issue if the address you're advertising is temporarily out of service for 
some reason.  It would be no different if the park's gateway was down (which,
in this case, is exactly what appears to be going on).

There is a different issue entirely if you are forging identification
>without< the consent of the domain park's administration.  This doesn't
appear to be happening however.

It is clear that the postings themselves are being sent through the UCB 
anonymous posting service Mail <> News gateway.

--
Karl Denninger 		Inet:  kdenning@hq.videocart.com
VideOcart Inc.		Voice: (312) 987-5022

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