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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:00:06 EST
From: Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Station
Distribution: usa
 <1993Jan7.100847.882@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1993Jan7.100847.882@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) says:

>In article <1993Jan7.000818.16419@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com
>(roland blackwell) writes:
>>Who built the space station in DS9? If the Federation built it, why were
>>the Cardassians running it? If the Cardassians Built it, why would they
>>abbandon it?  If the Bjorn(sp) built it, perhaps they didn't need Cardassian
>>help in the first place.  I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just confused.
>>

>I remember reading somewhere that the Ferengi built it, but I'm not sure.

>Live Long and Prosper.

>Sanjai Rao.

DS9 was built and operated by the Cardassians (Sisko refered to his office as
being "Cardassian architechture") and was abandoned after Jelico and the Feds
chased the Cards out of the sector (a la Chain of Command)  The Cards were so
grumpy that they trashed the place.

Jeff Payne
Penn State Ogontz Campus              |Bitnet:   JSP6@PSUVM
Computer Assisted Learning Center     |Internet: payne@toto.oz.psu.edu
"What else have you done? Telekinesis? Teleportation? Spontaneous
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       -Q to Amanda in "True Q", ST-TNG
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: DS9 premier question
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:48:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1993Jan7.000413.14825@telesoft.com>, hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @lone) writes:
> 
> First...
>
> Was the captain of the Saratoga a Romulan?  I hope not!
> 
> Hamid
 
I thought he was Vulcan...  
Romulans and Vulcans look a lot a like... hmmm... maybe there's an idea for
an episode... =)

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From: redant@imec.be (Steven Redant)
Subject: frustration
Organization: IMEC V.Z.W,Interuniversitair Micro Electronica Centrum, Belgium
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:55:11 GMT

Can you imagine the frustration of a European Trek fan that has to wait
for DS9 to be aired here in the year 2000 or so?
Do you believe me when I say that The Best Of Both Worlds (2) was the
last episode aired on BBC2 here? In other languages (Dutch and German)
the second season is not finnished yet! And we only get Trek during 4
or so months a year!
They are re-airing TOS now but I like the new stuff more (flame me if
you will).

Steven
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Runabouts
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 19:57:49 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

> In article <73095@cup.portal.com> fleming@cup.portal.com (Stephen R Fleming) 
> >> Yancy
> 
> >I assume that's the Yangtze river in China.
> 
> >How come Starfleet stuff is so rarely named after people/places/
> >things from NON-human worlds, eh?
> 
> Bcause you wouldn't recognize the names?
> 
> "This is the Gizigashwartz awaiting clearance for take-off."
> 
> "Gzigaschwartz?  What the hell's that?"
> 
> 
> -- 
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The Gzigaschwartz? Sure, its a river on Bajor running between the 
Poobisbian Mountain range and used primarily for transportation to the 
port city of Stapdis.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
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From: dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray)
Subject: Re: O'Brien rank
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:08:46 GMT

(Rob Harrington) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan11.133748.1991@nynexst.com>, elissa@nynexst.com (Elissa Gilbert) writes:
>>> Just to throw some more fuel on the debate over O'Brien's rank: in the novelization of
>>> Deep Space Nine, he is referred to as an *Ensign*.  It is explicitly stated that this
>>> is a promotion for him, and that's one of the reasons he accepted the transfer.
>> 
>> Could it be possible that O'Brien's title as Transporter Chief could be
>> more of an "enlisted" rank,
>> and he was promoted to Ensign.
>> Making him promoted to officer status.

  But a senior Enlisted would never take the "promotion" to Ensign!
Although technically a promotion, that would be a huge demotion in
terms of responsibility and respect (at least in today's military)

Then again, maybe O'Brien wasn't a senior enlisted - doesn't seem
likely though.

Cheers,

Doug
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:42:38 GMT

ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:

>As far as I can tell, as of now no fox stations in my area are carrying DS9
>here in Baltimore...Only an Independant station and a Washington channel are
>carrying it. Not that I'm complaining, but since the fox stations are carrying
>the normal ST:TNG why not the DS9 as well?

The fact of the matter is that WNUV 54 (Independant) happened to outbid
WBFF 45 (Fox) for ST:DSN.  Just be thankful 54 didn't decide to air
DSN against TNG!  They were smart to put it up against CBS' Space
Mutts; makes DSN look all that much more incredible.

Mike
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoC was CHEAP
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:33:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <qcBqwB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen) writes:



>They don't really have the right shape or structure to 
>be something which would latch itself to a ship or make a sizeable 
>explosion.  

Oh?  What, pray tell, is the actual shape of an antimatter mine.
(I have never seen one myself.)

>Yet again, the episode was unbalanced because of a hurried 
>ending, most especially because Picard was instantly back to his old 
>sparkly, happy-go-lucky self within minutes.  

First of all, we don't know how much time passed before he was
returned to the Enterprise.  He might have spent several weeks
in a Federation hospital somewhere.  But from what he said in 
the next scene, with Troi, I'd interpret this as putting on a
show of confidence.  (Not unlike another Captain?)
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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: CoC Hype.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:26:48 GMT

In article <930108.155343@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk> HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod)) writes:
>
>Doesn't anyone else agree that CoC is the most hyped (and not
>very good)  episode ever concocted ??

Absolutely NOT.  Both CoC1 and CoC2 were excellent episodes (CoC2 being the
better of the two).  I think Patrick Stewart deserves an emmy, or at the
very least, a nomination, for the second part.

Sanjai Rao.

-"I would like to think that there are always, possibilities"-
From: tjones@access.digex.com (Tom Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:36:26 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1993Jan08.122153.22307@watson.ibm.com> kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <07JAN93.05127286.0058@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B7QT@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7QT000) writes:
>>Marinina Sirtis had to wear a corset to make her
>>look thinner in order to look sexier (and uncomfortable) in her
>>uniform (or not a uniform, we'll see in the next new episode).
>>Did you get a load of the iron maiden corset this poor woman
>>has to wear???  WHY!!!! For what purpose??
>
>Was Marina Sirtis in Space Rangers? I didn't see the show, but
>I have a hard time believing that she would be in both ST:TNG and
>Space Rangers.

No--Marina Sirtis was not in Space Rangers.  The "this" in "this poor
woman" meant the woman on Space Rangers who was wearing an external
corset.  I don't know the actress' name.

Concerning the comment on another subthread about the corset being
medical treatment for the broken ribs, I'm fairly sure she was wearing
it in one of the opening scenes, *before* the rib-breaking scene.
(And I'm no M.D., but I'm dubious about such a prescription.)

It's sad when a show is so bad that people discuss the costumes more
than the plot....

-tom jones
 (not *the* tom jones, whichever you're thinking of)
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From: mrjg8679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R James)
Subject: Re: DSN first episode <Spoilers>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:37:26 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:


>
Spoiler protection added
     























>I liked it enough to watch it again.

>Did anyone think the scene in the wormhole with Cmdr. Sisko was just a tad
>too long?  The effect of the conversation being carried out by all those
>different people was interesting, but I thought it was too long.

Well this was the best part of it for me, forget that whole
Cardassian subplot.  Although I guess all the other characters needed
some time too.
I particularly liked the baseball part and how smoothly it blended
into the "ignorance of the future" point that Sisko made.
Very well done. (Field of Dreams on the holodeck..cool)
And the climax of "But why do you exist here?"

And then of course five minutes later "negotiations" were completed.
Huh?


>I like the security officer this time.  I think he'll have a bit more success
>than Worf (When the ultra-powerful aliens try to beat him up, he can just 
>melt!) ;)
We'll see what extent his powers have (and whether or not they get
convienently forgotten to drive the plot a la Troi.)

Lot's of potential here. Better than EaF, IMO.
>Mike
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajoran spaceflight
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:17:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <C0K4GB.HnK@cup.hp.com> jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) writes:
>Which might be subtitled, "Why Don't the Bajorans Own the Universe?"

	Because not all races are as relentlessly imperialistic as the
North American-white dominated Federation.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: chey@novell.com (Cindy Hey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 - in San Jose (bay area) - Where ??? When ???
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:56:55 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Could someone please e-mail me when DS9 will be on here in San Jose and
on what channel?  I haven't had much luck finding out.  Thanks.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: info. on the gamma quandr
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:04:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.080538.9897@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.190438.24890@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan8.3208.18990@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:


>>> Jc> Does anyone have any more information on the Gamma Quandrant?  Has
>>> Jc> there been any mention of it before is ST?  If so, what's it supposed
>>> Jc> to be like? 

>>The only other reference to Gamma Quandrant I've heard of is the beginning
>>of STII:TWOK the "Enterprise" bridge simulator was in Gamma Hydrant.


Gamma _Hydrant_!?  

>Aren't Canis Major and Minor near Gamma Hydrant? If not, I'm sure they visit
>it quite a bit...

Good one.

It was "Gamma Hydra IV".  Hydra.  Hydra as in the mythological beast of
the seas, mutliple heads and all that.


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From: cpaulse@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chris D Paulse)
Subject: "The Children Shall Rule" tombstone question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:48:59 GMT

In the "The Children Shall Rule" episode, towards the end of the show the
children are shown tricorder recordings of themselves playing with their
parents, followed by shots of each of their parent's gravestones.  My
question is: What did the oriental child's parent's tombstone read?
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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Re: Keiko?  THE ANSWER
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:34:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.160311@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>In article <1ii1u6INNp9h@umbc8.umbc.edu>, ac999239@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
>|> It's clear O'Brien is now on DS9, but where is his wife and kid? Are they
>|> staying on the Enterprise or are they with him and jyst haven't been seen.
> Okay, here is THE ANSWER!
>
> When O'Brien takes Commander Sisko and son to their quarters, upon 
> entering O'Brien says:
>
> "When my wife Keiko saw our quarters, she started talking about
>  visiting her mother on Komogo (sp?)"

Note also that the Press release for episode 403 does include Keiko. She
will be seen soon.



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From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:07:04 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <C0Ezsx.CKD@acsu.buffalo.edu> dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne Gilles-Thomas) writes:
>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>specific instances.
>
> 
I know of a couple of movie instances right off the top of my head (this may
or may not be all of them):
 
ST2:TWOK - Saavik was refered to as Mister Saavik
 
ST6:TUC  - When the ravity boot is found in Crewman Dax's locker the other
           crewman yelled "Sir, Sir!!" and Valaris (sp?) ran up.
  
           however....
 
           Earlier in the movie Valaris says to the two crewmen in the 
           transporter room after the Klingons beam on to the big E
           "You men have work?" and the crewmen reply "Yes, mame (sp)"

ST6
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tuesday Night Review "Emissary" !SPOILERS!
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:39:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <C0G7Mw.11yM@austin.ibm.com>, woan@exeter.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan6.004239.577@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>Story:  A+	This was a dandy storyline, and even had me, someone who
>>		read a little of the spoiler information, surprised at
>>		many parts.  
> 
> I totally disagree... I think it was simply just too long and drawn
> out with too many of those oh so wonder coincidences like the timely
> arrival of Brooks with the Cardassian (sp?) ship in tow...

But this can be easily explained!  The aliens in the wormhole don't perceive
time the way we do, do they?  So they choose the point where he is needed
to send him back, because they can see that point in time just as easily
as any other.  No coincidence at all.  Design.

> 
>>Special FX:  A+  A hundred thousand words by me would be insufficent to 
>>		describe the pictures.  See them for yourself and you'll
>>		see what I mean.  best bits were the Borg battle scenes
>>		and the wormhole.
> 
> I though the DS9 model and intro sequences bit big time.
> 

By intro sequence I hope you mean the title sequence.  If you thought the
Borg sequences weren't well done I was going to recommend you to several
psychologists.  :)
If you mean the titles and the DS9 station weren't the normal bombastic
and over-proud style of Trek's past, then you're right.


>>Music:  C+	I'll give it credit for being more interesting than TNG,
>>		but it does need to be more odd than it was.  I do like
>>		the title music though, more of a sweeping style theme
>>		that takes its time rather than a pompous-sounding trumpet
>>		blare.  Allow some more odd synthesizer tricks such as
>>		we heard in the religious temple and in some of the dream
>>		bits (the backwards music comes to mind) and then we'll
>>		really be cooking.   The show has the stories and the look.
>>		The sound will finish it off.
> 
> I'll agree with this... The intro was really just plain bad.
> 
>>Overall grade (scale of one to ten):  10
> 
> My overall grade would be just a 5 with typical STTNG in the 7 range.
> This show just seemed too cheap and cheesy. It can only get better
> with the characters becoming better developed. The only real saving
> grace was the Major Kira character which I loved... The actor playing
> Avery's son was exceptionally bad...
> -- 
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Your Views very definitely aren't shared by your employer.  They aren't
shared by me either, and by the looks of things about 90% of the Net too,
possible more.  

Steven.K.Manfred

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"Just with the rest of you being wrong," answered Avon.





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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: mumblings on DS9 pilot
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:38:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan6.203810.28932
Organization: Western Washington University



SPOILERS AHEAD....













RIGHT DOWN THERE




Well, it was okay.  If SHADES OF GRAY or SPOCK'S BRAIN is a 1 and
AMOK TIME or YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE is a 10, then EMISSARY was a 5 or
a 6.

The sets, effects and make-up were very good (although I am awfully
tired fo the definition "an alien is a human being with a bad
acne problem."

The acting was...uhh...varied.  I was uncomfortable with Avery
Brooks acting at the beginning, but I was getting used to him as it went on.
Rene what's his name as Odo was quit egood, but has anyone asked the
obvious question?  If he can be any shape, why does he choose to look
like a freak?  As my wife put it, why doesn't he choose to look
like Patrick Stewart?

The two females left me unimpressed.  O'Brien was as wooden as usual.
And god I hate to say this BUT...Quark was pretty good.  He had a
quality one doesn't usually associate with Ferengi: dignity.  When he
said "when governments fall people like me are lined up against a wall
and shot," I believed he meant it.  

Just remember: (almost) any Star Trek is better than no Star Trek.  

Resistance is useless.
From: westergrenbr@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Uniforms
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:45:25 CST
Summary: DS9 uniform debate
Distribution: na
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1993Jan9.010037.19132@husc3.harvard.edu>, cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
> 
> There is one other possibility, though... the legitimacy of the Bajoran
> Provisional Government was taking a beating due to the presence of the 
> Federation, so Starfleet designed a uniform especially for DS9, one
> that was distinctive from normal uniforms, in order to de-emphasize the
> Federation presence.
> 
> Chris

As I was watching the episode (with the argument over uniforms in mind) I 
had a similar idea.  I thought that perhaps the DS9 uniforms signified that 
the officers were not directly serving the federation, but merely present to 
help out a non-federation planet.  Since the space station does not belong 
to the federation, they are wearing different uniforms to respect that.  My 
only diference with Chris' opinion is that I don't think the federation 
dreamed up a new uniform specifically for DS9, but that it is one used in 
other, similar simulations.  Of course, I have no proof one way or another 
so it's all IMHO.  B-)  

Brenda Westergren