HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Who edits Image?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:43:38 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <BxD3nC.DrK@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
writes:
|>  If you're talking about Claremont, even he
|> just took over characters designed by Len Wein and, I believe, Gerry
|> Conway.

Dave Cockrum, actually.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
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"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: mskeen@willamette.edu (Michael A. Skeen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: How many NATHANS are there?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:38:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.BxMvCI.8v0
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

>Aha!  Obscure Trivia Lad is here to help!  There are also going to be
>Nimrods in the mainstream timeline!  In the issues of UX-Men with Master
>Mold/Nimrod (the ones where MM/N, along with Rogue, got sent into the
>Seige Perilous - which I'm sure ticked David off to no end), Senator
>Kelly's wife was killed.  The X-Men were there to witness this, but
>couldn't do anything to save her.  Kelly, was, naturally, slightly
>upset over this, and agreed to supply funding for a Project: Nimrod.
>So, if Nimrods can exists in two separate and disctinct timestreams,
>why not three?
Just to make an update on dangling plotlines, does anyone think that
Nimrod will come back? Afterall, he went through the Siege Perilous, and
like Havok, Rogue, Storm, and Colossus, he should be showing up somewhere
else in the world. It will be interesting to see what they do (if the ever
get around to it) with Nimrod if he does indeed come out of comic book limbo.
From: paladin@parker.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue's eyes (was Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:00:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.wpi.edu

In article <BxMFqr.Asu@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>This thread *still* going on? Hmmph.
>
>>yup... unless the colorist screws up... but then again..he could be referring
>>to the avengers anual #7 which was her frist appearance...that was somtime in
>>1980 or 81... which was stil a long while after the giant sized x-men...
>
>Avengers Annual #10, Paladin. The Avengers Annual #7 is an attribution in
>one of Rogue's appearances (forgot which one) which was wrong; assuming, of
>course, that that is what you are remembering...

okay.. i stand/sit/float/wahtever corrected... i will attribute this to the 
fact that i haven't looked at the thing for at least 2 years... lack of sleep..
and being ticked off that a piece of code refuses to work... all of which are
very pitiful excuses...  8)

>>but rather than relying on various things that SAY what color her eyes are..
>>why don't you look at most any uncanny x-men or x-men that has her in it..
>>i can think of one notable exception to her eyes being green... that was in
>>#239? (or thereabouts) when carol was in control and her eyes were blue...
>>which i believe is the color of carol danvers' eyes...
>
>Hhh. Am I really going to have to pull out my old issues and actually *look*
>this stuff up? Gaiiee! I still hold that eye changes are color mistakes,
>since Rogue has shown no predilection towards changing any sort of appearance
>when absorbing normal looking people, Jim Lee's Gateway absorbtion and her
>actions in X-Men: Heroes for Hope, notwithstanding.

as i said.. one notable exception... the was a whole discussion on whether or
not this had any bearing on anything and was attempting to avoid being flamed..
frankyl i really don't care if it was a screw up or not... nothing was ever 
done with it... and nothing is likely to ever be done... so it is a moot point
at best (tho i do agree with you)...

anyway... 

oh yah... could you send me info about the RFC??  i had the address for mailing
at one point i thought... or i could look for it in your sig... but well..
i think i am also terminally lazy...  8)

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)

forgetting english is a very bad thing to do on the streets of london...


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From: skilmon@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shane M Kilmon)
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:32:11 GMT
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Force 17
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:50:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Nov.3.15.48.53.1992.4306@dorm.rutgers.edu> jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) writes:
>cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau) writes:
>>In article <82863@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>>>I've got a cutie here.  Everyone, arm yourself with X-Force 17.  Turn to
>>>page 11, top left panel.

>>>Now, try to explain why Cable is WALKING THROUGH THE COMPUTER.

>>>I originally figured "artist error," but why would an artist just "leave out"
>>>Cable's waist, right leg, and his entire right arm EXCEPT for the bicep?

>Page 9, last panel: computer projects holographic image of Stryfe
>Page 10, entire: holograms aplenty
>Page 11, top left panel: Cable walks through hologram of the technology seen
>on page 10.

>Yup, an error all right, but by the colorist who should have colored the
>hologram orangish.  Hey, if he can't get Stevie right...

I think we should all just gang up on this colorist and beat him to death
with rolled-up copies of X-Force 17.

	DAVE HENRY:"Stevie's BLACK, you imbecile!!"  *WHAM**WHAM*
	KING RAT:"Why is Cable walking through a wall?  Your fault!!" *POW*
	COLORIST: (weakly) "But they were BOTH holograms..." *COLLAPSE*

Intelligence:1   Marvel:0

=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
King Rat                     |  "You got the power, (Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!)
aka Josh Geurink             |   You got the might, (No Way!)
aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu  |   Get ready for battle, (Give me your money!)
                  Defeat the Black Knight!"
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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: XM:TAS: Rogue's skirt (was: X-Men Animated Review; Comments and Criticism)
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:55:10 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <Bx4Ip6.FHt@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
} In article <1d47jmINNm5t@lisa.cs.widener.edu> poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil
} Poole) writes:
} >Who else noticed that Rogue was not wearing gloves while in the mall.
} 
} Me, of course. Hey, it's a lifestyle.
} 
} >
} >She only started wearing gloves when she changed into her costume. 
} 
} Yep. I've also been in some email conversations wondering why she'd run
} around with a skirt, exposing all that leg for some mallrat/deviant comic
} store patron/whomever to touch and lose their brain to.

She probably figures that anyone who would touch her without permission
deserves to get their brain fried.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{murphy | philabs}!dwrsun4!perl
	-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: How many NATHANS are there?
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 05:28:53 GMT

About whether or not Rachel's timeline leads to Bishop's, here's something
else to consider:

In the episode of Uncanny X-Men where Bishop's lieutenants buy the farm,
Bishop spaces out as has a flashback about the future. (Huh? Yeah, I said
that all right...) In that flashback, he makes a comment about how the
mutants were eventually emancipated, in order to govern and police
themselves more efficiently than the "mere humans" could...
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-men: TAS
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:55:20 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov7.225936.11496@cs.uwp.edu>, evans@cs.uwp.edu (Randy Evans) writes:
>Did anyone notice that in the war room scene when the president was giving
>her speech Jubeliee was there even tho she was still a prisoner in Detroit.
>
>Randy
>
>
>...............................................................................
>..                                Randy Evans                                 .

Yep, I noticed that too.  I wondered how they got her out of there, yet left
Beast and Changling (Morph).  I wonder if Marvel gives out No-Prizes for
catching Animation errors?!?

                                                Theron
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: It must be the StainedGlass Winter. (WAs: Re: DHENRY!DHENRY@PLAINS...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:15:57 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Nothing else besides the StainedGlass Winter (an effect here, in the
Northern Wastes, where the night air cries like pained glass, and the
sky arches beneath the vault of the Northern Lights) could be
responsible for stuff like...

In article <1992Nov9.164716.60543@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>	Oh come now David, you certainly don't post enough in this group!  You
>need to join the LNH!  DAVID WE NEED YOU!  Come on bud, Friend, pal, chum?
>		
>	DON'T RESIST YOUR DESTINY!!
>
>							wReam...
>						Ultimate Ninja of LNH...

I need to join the LNH? Like, my cat dying today wasn't enough trouble?
Boy, you guys don't learn, do ya! What, I have to send... Guido around?
Wait, he's now a mutant name... dammit... hmm...

Okay, well, as soon as I find another out-of-work bad Italian actor
laying around (should be plenty, after "Innocent Blood"), I'll send *him*
around.

I appreciate the enthusiasm. I have lots of other things to do. Lots.
Please notice that, for instance, the Stripe is still coming out at speeds
best described as glacial, if not Claremont-ish.

Maybe, just maybe, I'll drop off this farce I've had hanging around for
you LNH people. It has nothing to do with superheroes, by and large, but
it certainly fits in with what I've scanned over in your alt.group.

Oh, yeah, the title is "The Toupee Massacre." Deal with it.

"I am intrigued."-- from "Toupee Massacre."


-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - OBESSA CANTAUIT - Ouch. --Richard Darwin
"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: marcsch@microsoft.com (Marc Schermerhorn)
Subject: xmen.magneto
Date: 05 Nov 92 15:03:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: xmen


Can anyone send me a copy of the previously posted Claremont
files?? I tried to go back and look at them but was unable to locate them. 
Also, if anyone could help me settle a debate-----do ya REALLY think Magneto's
dead???????? 

Thanks

marcsch@microsoft.com
From: jevans2@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jonathan H. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Movie characters and animated series
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:44:37 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College


	Alright, you all had some really excellent sellections on the actors to
play the parts.  The big question is, will they be able to get them.  I'm
not normally this pessimistic, but with this many characters, you know that
they're are going to be some we'll be ticked with.  Personally, Patrick
Stewart better be Professor X, or I'll be royally P.O.ed.
	Okay, as for the animated series...what was that stuff with Morph anyway? 
The guy was doomed to die from the beginning.  He had a weak character,
stupid costume, and was an all around putts.  Doomed from the start.  More
importantly....JANUARY!?  Marvel keeps putting this thing off more and
more.  When it finally comes out, it better be on five days a week!
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Fantasy Cast: X-Men Movie 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:08:27 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>More thoughts on actors and actresses for the X-men cast. These are based  
>more on looks than the ability of the actors to effectively play the
>roles.  

Then why are we calling this a cast? Casts are people you want because they
can *play* the role. If we just want to play "Separated at Birth" with the
X-Men, that's cool, too, but it's a different set of agendas.

This thread appears about every six months, so I don't feel like arguing
over some of the same choices I did last time. I will make this comment,
though:

>Shadowcat: Winona Ryder?

Sorry. Winona is already working as Death in our Fantasy-Cast Sandman movie.

"You can't feel unless you're an originator." --Richard Darwin
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - Cthulhu and Elvis, together again! Ahh..
"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Alex Stevens)
Subject: Re: Captain Universe (was Re: X-men TAS -- More errors?)
Keywords: Marvel
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:07:42 GMT

In article <BxMIyH.2yI@ansoft.com> louis@maxwell.Berkeley.EDU (Louis Reash) writes:
>Isn't the most current CU a Kree?
>I could have swore I saw that some where!
>(Avengers? WCAvengers? Quasar?)?
>But where?  Does anyone remember?

	In the last issue of Guardians of the Galaxy, a Badoon soldier
had received the power, presumably to save his race from extinction at the
hands of the Guardians.

But, no, I don't know who the Kree was!

Alex
stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu


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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: Gyrich pronounciation (was Re: Jean Grey's Non-Codename)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:54:32 GMT

In article <92317.011056SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>>> WRT the animated series... I'd always pronounced Henry Peter Gyrich's last
>>name
>>> as JIErich (like gyro), not GEERick.  Are there earlier pronounciation
>>> references?
>>
>I've always called him something more like grrrICK...
>Besides, when have we ever considered anything on TV to be anything but an
>anternate dimension?
>
>Tad "contemplating life as either Contrary Kid or Typo teh Encridable" Simmons

How about "Guy-rich"? ("Guy" as in Strong Guy, "rich" as in Richie Rich...)

Jay (=
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From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Re: X-Men
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:51:30 GMT


jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
>dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>> >>>Who the Hell is this morph guy on the X-men cartoon?
>> >>>I haven't read the comic book in a while But I don't think this character
>> >>>has been in anything.
>> >>>Am I wrong?
>> >>	Morph was a character specially created for the TV series.  I think
>> >>he buys the farm in the second show, but I'm not sure.
>> >Actually, I heard that Morph is based on a character from around issue
>> >100 of XMen called Chameleon.  
>> 
>> Close, Elisabeth, but not quite. Chameleon showed up in the original X-Men
>> series, around issues #40-50, if I remember correctly.
>
>Try issue two of Spider Man.  I believe the Chameleon was the one who
>died in Professor X's place back in X-men #42.

The Chameleon WAS an early Spider-Foe -- just not the character you're
all thinking of.

The CHANGELING was a mutant shape-changer and right-hand man to the alien
Mutant-Master, a self-styled conqueror from the Siris (not Sirius) system
in a series of issues in the #30s.  Their organization, Factor Three, had
virtually every evil mutant the authors could dig up at the time in it
(Mastermind, the Blob, Unus, the Vanisher, etc.), and the Changeling finally
discovered the Mutant-Master's deception, posed as Professor X to expose it,
and escaped while the Banshee's sonic attack drove the Mutant-Master to
suicide. (around #37).

Soon after, the Changeling discovered he was dying, and went to Professor X
in search of doing something worthwhile with the rest of his life; Xavier
implanted a fraction of his telepathic ability in the Changeling, who led the
X-Men while Xavier went into seclusion to prepare to fight an alien race
(Z'nox?) off through mental means.  

The Changeling, in X-guise, was killed by Grotesk (a mutant Subterranean)
in X-Men #42.  Sic transit gloria.

This is all off the top of my head, so anyone who feels like checking the
Marvel Universe Handbook can probably find an inaccuracy or two.  

				(am I dating myself, or what?)

--
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vainly attempting to gain attention of the crowd at the Cat's Cradle
in Chapel Hill, while opening for Mojo Nixon & The Toad Liquors
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:59:52 GMT

How about

Colossus - Dolph Lundgren (Arnie is not tall enough)
Wolverine - The Indian tracker type guy from Predator
Rogue - Julie Roberts or Paula Abdul (If she could act)
Storm - Definately Naomi Campbell
Bishop - Danny Glover or the Action Jaskson dude


Guest stars

Nick Fury - Richard Gere
Blob - John Candy or Roseane (she looks more viscous)
Nightcrawler - Prince (with a bit of makeup)
Rahne or Feral - Madonna
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From: skilmon@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shane M Kilmon)
Subject: Re: Compiled List (Re: The X-Men Movie Cast)
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:14:03 GMT

Everyone seems to have mentioned Dennis Quaid for a lot of other characters
on the compiled list, you forgot him as Gambit.  Remember The Big Easy?
He can pull off the accent fairly well.  

Also on the list is Carl Weathers and ? Jackson for Bishop.  They are one and 
the same.

Shane=-0


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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Rogue's Eyes Redux (Was: Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:52:57 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <swindley.721627838@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Bob
Swindley) writes:

>I thought they were green when she was Danvers and blue normally
>(as seen in the extinction agenda when Carol takes over for the
>firsttime)

Uh-uh. It was in Genosha where Carol got her first "major" control over
Rogue's body. Tramp.

>Maybe when Magneto messed with her he allowed her to switch 
>between green and blue (WOW a new mutant ability)

The Jim Lee issues were sorry enough without us having to go out of our
ways to invent more ways they could be wretched.

>This characteristic for eyes to seem different colors is
>actual (it was actually mentioned in a movie last night
>on Tv called _Suspect_ with Cher.

No arguement there, although the last thing I saw with Cher in it was
her closing song with Sonny on "The Sonny and Cher Show."

I missed their duet on Letterman, dammit. That and Sonic Youth... I just
can't get my schedule right.

"A suggestion: poke him in the eye." --Richard Darwin

-- 
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"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What Happen To Beast
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:46:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov9.143547.11067@uoft02.utoledo.edu> ctodd@jupiter (christopher todd) writes:
>
>
>	Could someone help I watched the X:TAS and I saw beast get captured
>	and Morh die.  I would like someone to anwser this question.  When the  	X-men went to rescue Julbile did they rescue Beast as well?

Apparantly not.  From what I've heard, there's going to be an episode
(whenever the regular series starts - and I put as much faith in that
January date as I did in the early October date for the premiere or
90% of the Image schedule) in which the X-Men do go after Beast.

Great, two episodes down, and we already have continuity errors AND
dangling plotlines.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
Obscure Trivia Lad of the Legion of Net.Heroes
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: uk08745@nx04.mik.uky.edu (randy j yarger)
Subject: Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:00:04 GMT

In article <11NOV199209514441@zeus.tamu.edu> dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK,  
DAVID LESLIE) writes:
> >>Things that I've noticed about the cartoon that turn my stomach:
> >>
> >>3)Rogue's eyes are blue, not brown damn it
> > 
> >  I thought they were green.
> 
> I looked at my Giant Size Xmen yesterday and it says that Rogue's eyes  
are
> blue.  Since it was the first issue with Rogue, I'm taking it as the way
> that they should be, not what others have done since.
> 
> Dave
Huh?  In GS X-Men #1, Rogue wasn't even a gint in Claremont's eye yet.
In GS X-Men #2, which was just a reprint of #1 with a back-up story still
no Rogue.
Rogue's first appeance was Avengers Annual #10, and her first X-Appearance
was in the late 150's (158?).  I think she's always had green eyes.

And David Henry says they're green, and he above ALL people should know.

hmmm . . has anyone ever seen Dave and Rogue in the same place at the same
time?

Or maybe Dave is a Clone of Rogue's son from on Alterate Future . . 
or maybe . . . 


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