From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: What's Muffy's Purpose, Here? (Was: What's the purpose here?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:34:19
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In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug28172644@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
><In article <MUFFY.92Aug26181314@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

><>In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug26154422@gauss.nmsu.edu> 
><ataylor@nmsu.edu (brainless) writes:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Here we see Muffy at her finest; by editing the above line
>she "refutes" me.

Not at all...*laugh*...by editing the above line, I *insult* you.  You
simply don't *understand* it.

>Can you say "Ad Hominem"? I knew you could....

Amazing...you mean you actually know something about logic?  Or did
someone else advise you to say that?

>Indeed, some days on soc.feminism it appears that
>certain rather poorly written posts are allowed 
>on that group for the primary purpose of providing
>Muffy with flame fodder....

Unfortunately, we are not allowed to reject posts for poor writing or
logic unless they are incomprehensible.  One might wonder where I *get*
these posts to respond to...I don't *write* them, you know.

><Nonetheless, I prefer to argue with
><actual facts, as opposed to idiotic insinuations like yours.
>At least I have never claimed that men cannot get 
>breast cancer, Muffy...

>Can you make the same statement?

As I recall, I stated that breast cancer was a "woman's problem."  A
couple of people then informed me that men also get breast cancer.  I
then stated in a later post that I had been told that this was the case,
and discussed that in light of my other views.  Therefore, I ACCEPTED
the truth and CORRECTED my mistake.  I have never claimed to be
infallible.  Nonetheless, I *was* attempting to argue with facts (even
if they were initially incorrect ones).

><>< Still, it's probably a
                 ^^^^^^^^
><>< good thing that you don't want to.  
>Oh, but you have. You've stated quite clearly that
>it is a good thing that Tyger doesn't want to
>post to soc.feminism;

READ.  READ READ READ.

>could it be that you *do*
>*not* *want* to have her opinions posted to your
>playpen?

Um...yes, I think that was the gist of my statement, except for the part
about a "playpen."  (I think you mentioned something about "Ad Hominem"?
Why do you think it is that you object to my defending myself with the
same tools you attack me with?)  Nonetheless, the fact remains that her
opinions *could* get posted, which she claimed was not true.

><I don't like it when anyone makes inaccurate statements.  What can I
><say, I think the truth is a valuable thing.

>Tell me, do you believe that men cannot get breast cancer? 

Nope.

>Do you believe that gays cannot commit rape?

Nope.  Nor have I ever said anything to this effect.  I recall the
incident in question, though.  What *I* said was that gays do not, by
virtue of being gay, commit rape.  Was that your post/mail (damn, there
goes my memory again...I guess I just blank a lot of terrible things
out) claiming that all gays were rapists (male/male, I think), or
something to that effect?

>Or have those "muffyisms"  been changed, now?

Hey, not only my own subject line, but my own word!  Do y'all think I
can start a net.religion and become rich and tax-exempt?

><  Actually, I started posting there three years ago.  Well, it's no wonder
><  that you defend someone who can't be bothered to verify their facts.
>An interesting assertion. Please prove it.

Check out the archives for yourself.  My first post would have been
after December, 1989 (when I got this account) and prior to June, 1990.
(And yes, that is somewhere between two and three years ago, but I'm not
sure exactly when it was...certainly more than the year that you claim.)

Muffy
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 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
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