From: ted@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:48:54 GMT

In article <9204121855.AA02970@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Ung-Ho Yi <ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>after reading many articles about the new news group "misc.jobs.offered.entry
>level", i do feel little discouraged.
>
>as some of the people mentioned, yes there will be no "magical" appearence
>of millions of entry level positions along with the new news group.
>when i started to press for the new newsgroup, i haven't thought of this point,
>no wonder i haven't found a job yet--).
>
	Yes.  Additionally, the problem is that employers already go out
	of their way to post jobs on the net...to complicate the process
	by a distinction of entry-level and non-entry-level may be
	enough to discourage them rather than encourage them to use the
	forum.

	Since jobs are not always easy to classify as entry-level, many
	employers will not post there for a job that can be filled by an
	entry-level position.  You also have the problem that many people
	will STILL read a posting in misc.jobs.offered and respond
	without reading the full content and candidates that are
	inappropriate will still inundate the posting employers.  This
	will irritate the employers even more when they respond "But I
	didn't post this in misc.jobs.offered.entry-level!" etc.

	Currently many employers view posting jobs on the net, "extra
	work" since they usually get the responses and have to forward
	them to personnel people (other methods, the resumes and letter
	go directly to HR).  Even when they put "Please do not respond
	by e-mail; responses should be mail to..." they still get
	responses by e-mail since there are enough morons on the net who
	don't read and heed job offer contents.

	I don't want to sound too negative, but I doubt that employers
	will want to use the new newsgroup and many will ignore it.  I
	think it will only be popular with readers and not with posters.

>i believe creation of this news group is kind of message to companies by
>us new grads.  we are willing to work hard, but we must have a chance,
>i am sure all the personnel people are wiping away their tears by now--).
>
	Right.  Don't you think that the companies already understand
	this?  Remember that the people who are hiring were entry-level
	personnel at some point in their life.  They know the industry
	and they know the problems.  But, you need to face facts that
	the employers know all this and are still using certain methods
	of recruiting entry-level positions.  It's those young'uns who
	can push through the system and get the jobs that are the ones
	they want.

>i think most of us are willing to work hard,start with low salaries and 
>relocate, we are so nice what much more can i say.
>
	Yep...and if you are willing to work hard, you need to prove it
	by working hard to get the job in the first place.  The dilligence
	required to get a job these days shows the devotion to work to
	do the job...so to speak.

	I don't think that a new newsgroup will help too much.  It won't
	be popular with the hiring people and it won't change the responders
	poor net.etiquette.

	Ted Ying			ted@welch.jhu.edu

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