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From: u2105545@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Shigetoh Kumagai)
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Summary: chosen-jin, word, history, correction
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:20:32 GMT

In article <WEIGERT.92Aug24150207@etlhit.etl.go.jp>, weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert) writes:
> 
> N> 	Again, there IS no secondary meaning except "person from Korea" in 
> N> 	"Chosenjin (in your language JOSENJIN?)."
> N> 	The Korean Peninsula is called "Chosen Hantou" in Japanese and it's 
> N> 	quite natural for us to call anyone from there "Chosenjin."
> N> 	Some Japanese, if not some more than some, who do not know history and
> N> 	geography well tend to call people from both North and South Koreas
> N> 	"chosenjin."  Those people just regard ALL people from the Peninsula
> N> 	are "chosenjin," I believe.
> 
> 
> You got to be kidding. "Chosen" was the name forced upon the Korean
> peninsula during the Japanese occupation from 1910 to 1945. Every Korean
> that I know rejects "chosenjin" as humiliating and derogatory (probably for
> those reasons). 
> 
No way. Correctry, "Chosen" or "Choson"(in Korean) is the word comes from
name of country in around from 8th to 10th (I forgot exact century) in 
"Chosen Hontou: Korean Peninsula". It it called "Ri Shi Chosen" or 
"Ri Shi Choson". In Korean Peninnsula, there ware may small countries in
ancient time( before 7th century). Then "Shiragi" formed the peninsula
as one nation. then It went to "Kourai", then "Ri Shi Chosen".

Sorry that it is not exact... But follows outline.


We need more understading each other(individual, group,country).
We need more education not only knowledge, but philosophy/idea/thoughts..etc
We need to understand each other, or at least large effort to understand.

# The word "Chosen-jin" naturally does not have offensive meaning as we say
"Nippon-jin", "Amerika-jin", "Furansu-jin" "Tai-jin", etc...
but, as some "America-jin" talks about black people or indian, some poeple used
"Chosen-jin" for bad meaning without knowing it it not bad word.
		SEE "totto-chan" by Tetsuko Kiroyanagi.
In this case "that some people" used same word for calling Korean people,
like they are ingnorant.(I am not saying Korean is so. Acctually, they
are very intelligent. And they have brought many technology, religion,
into Japan since the beggining of "Yamato" or "Japan".) 


> Anybody using this term either wants to recall the image of "Greater
> Japan", be insulting, or is just oblivious of what has happened in the
> world since 1945.
> 

Please be carefull what you say or write. It might creat only conflict.

	"It is easy to make conflicti], but hard to make understand"
		Me 

Please see "totto-chan" and think what Totto-chan's mum said.

Any comments all welcome.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Tokyo
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:28:21 GMT

I'll be in Tokyo this weekend... any suggestions on bookstores??



$B$*Hh$lMM(J


Charlie

P.S. I hope that they fixed mail here... it was stripping out the ^[ for
awhile.
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From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: More gaijin (Was: What do most ...
Date: 24 Aug 92 04:10:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug24.041012.7966
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <2464@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>So, I don't know how to say it in Japanese but I think of myself as
>'eccentric gaijin' :-)

Kawatta gaijin.
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From: u2105545@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Shigetoh Kumagai)
Subject: Re: Smell of Food (Was: What do most of Japanese ...)
Summary: kusaya, smell, taste
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.053342.4562@Princeton.EDU>, wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi) writes:
>   Nobody doesn't seem to have mentioned "kusaya". That's a real killer.
> It really smells like a poorly maintained bathroom. I had it only once
> at a Japanese pub (Nomiya) very close to my college in Tokyo. I didn't 
> hate it but did find it goes well with sake. I think it's a product in
> Izu Ohshima island or somewhere around there.
>   You've never tried it? Try it. You'll hate it. 8^)
> ....Wataru
> -- 

I love it, though smell's awfull. Smell is differnt, but it is like 
durian. Smells awfull, tast so----- good. I have not tasted it for
so----- long since I have been to Australia.

Every time My dad went to Oshima Island, he brought it a lot. when I was in
Japan.
ooooh... I am in Pavlov mode.

BTW, it does not smell awfull, I like the smell of dried bonito.
"Katsuo bushi".  It is very good with rice and soy-source, IMHO.

--
Shigetoh SARIRI Kumagai($@$/$^$,$$(J $@$7$2$H$r(J)   shk@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au
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							(@@)         
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From: hank@westford.ccur.com (Hank Cohen)
Subject: Re: for the short term traveller in Japan
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:00:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.012941.26715@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood) writes:
>
>Assuming you are in a city--I've found that department stores
>are a great place to convert (yen) traveller's checks to cash.

Perhaps but you will almost certainly get a better rate at a bank.
Unlike the US any Japanese bank will do US$ to Yen conversion.  If you
absolutely have to convert money on the weekend most hotels will also
do it.
-- 
Hank Cohen
Concurrent Nippon Corp.  	Shuwa yanagibashi Bldg. 5F
Yanagibashi 2-19-6 Taito-ku 	Tokyo 111, Japan
Denwa: 03-3864-5714 	Fax: 03-3864-0898
From: jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Phobia (was Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2))
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:00:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <3784@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov>, masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov
(Michiaki Masuda) writes:

|>    In Japanese, "douzoku ken-o" might be the word for hatred
|> against one's own
|> people. Interestingly, when I asked my American colleague if
|> there's any
|> English word describing this situation, she told me that there is
|> none as 
|> far as she knew. She also said that "douzoku ken-o" is not such a
|> common feeling
|> at least among Americans and that there might be no need for the
|> word. I wonder
|> if this is something specific to Japanese. 

While there might not be a specific word, I know that Americans can have
similar feelings when living overseas.  I have an American friend that has
moved to Tokyo.  He purposesly tries to minimize his contact with foreigners
so that he can spend as much time as possible with Japanese people.  He
does this so as to improve his Japanese language and social skills.

He doesn't seem to have an aversion to Americans that he meets, but I
did hear him make negative comments about certain catagories of Americans,
such as the models, language teachers and even some business men, that
spend all there time associating with other Americans and never learn to
speak Japanese propperly.

Regarding Japanese living in the US, I recently heard some comments
from Japanese complaining that there where too many Japanese living
in the US that where not bothering to learn very much about the American
culture.  He called them the "ugly Japanese" as a play on the phrase
the "ugly American".



--
John Eisenman (jice@sgi.com)
From: jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: postal service
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:27:37 GMT
Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl)
Organization: Omron Corporation


tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
|> One thing to be wary of about supposed "overnight" is that NOTHING
|> will get to it's destination in less than 48 hrs. It takes one night
|> to even get to Narita, and leaves the country the next day. Always. If
|> anyone knows a definite exception to this please let me know.

United Airlines (and I would guess other airlines as well) has airport-
to-airport package service.  Don't know how customs concerns work in
international cases, nor how much it costs.

The ad I saw also said that they could arrange pickup and delivery
(to and from the aiport), but that would start to get really expensive,
I would guess.

Still, something sent this afternoon from Osaka aiport, for example, would
get to San Francisco several hours ago (huh!?)

	*jeff*
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From: gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Galen Tatsuo Komatsu)
Subject: Re: Tofu Sushi ?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:59:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.001706.1789@u.washington.edu> yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>>I don't even want to talk about it, never mind eat it.

>Didn't your mom tell you to try everything at least once?
>"How would you know you don't like it if you never ... blah blah."

	I missed the original posting, but Tofu Sushi?  mmm, sounds
interesting!  Wonder how it compares with that Rolled "Zaru Soba" Sushi
I saw walking through the deli section of Shirokiya once...
(didn't try it out though... I went for Zaru Soba presented in the
"normal" manner. =^)

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From: ben@it3.crl.mei.co.jp (Ben Reaves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: relationships.
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:16:26 GMT
Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.,Ltd.
In-reply-to: htakeda@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU's message of 27 Aug 92 02:42:40 GMT


> If and when we get married I want to live in Japan for some years.
> She says that she will stand by my side all the way.  But what are some
> of the problems that she will face.  I am Japanese and would like to
> know what she will face in the future.
[she is Caucasian]

She can not stand by your side all the way.  She will not be standing by your
side at company functions;   when you work late and on an occasional weekend
day, she will be sitting in a small, quiet home awaiting your return.

If you are lucky, you will be strong enough to end your workday before everyone
else, and have dinner before 10PM, and she will be socially adept enough to
make her own friends and to find some work and keep busy on the late nights.

People say that the Japanese society can suffocate you, and if you're not
strong in certain ways, yes, it can.  Otherwise, why did that nice Japanese
lady's husband refuse to return to Japan after a vacation in Bermuda with 
their 8-year-old son?  And why have I heard so many stories like "Well, we
were supposed to live here [Japan] permanently but I just can't take it"

Moving from California to a large Japanese city can be difficult to adjust to.

Not impossible - I moved from Santa Barbara (Calif.) to Osaka and survived,
sometimes very well and sometimes barely.  It's a great experience.  Really
opens your eyes.  Depending on where you look, you can find some wonderful
people.  

Recently I have found a group of parents of English-speaking kids (at least 1
parent is a native speaker of English) here in Osaka; perfect timing, as I was
getting pretty desperate for a social group I could talk with.  Not just
language problems - the way people interact here is different.

If you really love her, then before you make the Big Decision, why don't you
spend a while in Japan together?  If you want to make it a while, maybe you
can study overseas here a few months, so you can "ochitsuku", which you can't
do in only a week.  That will give her a chance to make friends here, too.

Just an idea.  I am posting this instead of sending it by email, because I
guess it might be of interest to others, too.

-Ben




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: Festivals and holidays?
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:45:07 GMT

In article <Aug23.235856.17704@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>	There are *TOO* many festivals in Japan to mention here.

Oh, sh*t! I was fool enough to post the same contents later than this.;-<
Well, I guess I'm going to add some explanations for each one of them....

>	January		1	Ganjitsu  (New Years Day)
	To celebrate the beginning of a year.

>			15	Seijin no hi (Coming of Adults Day)
	To celebrate and encourage those who recognize to become an adult
	and are going to live their lives by themselves.

>	February	11	Kenkoku Kinenbi (National Foundation Day)
	To recollect the foundation of the country, raise the spirit
	to love the country.

>	March		21	Shunbun no hi (Vernal Equinox Day)
	To bless the nature, and respect the beings.

>	April		29	Midori no hi (Green Day)
	To commune with nature and encourage youself to be warmhearted.
	(Originally this day was the Emperor's birthday though.)
	
>	May		3	Kenpo kinenbi (Constitution Day)
	To celebrate the enforcement of the constitution, and wish
	the prosperity of the country.

>			5	Kodomo no hi (Children's Day)
	To respect the personality of children, wish their happiness
	and thank mothers.

>	September	15	Keiro no hi (Respect-for-the-Aged Day)
	To respect those aged people who have contributed to the society
	for years, and celebrate long lives.

>			23	Shuubun no hi (Autumnal Equinox Day)
	To respect the ancestors, remember those who have gone.

>	October		10	Taiiku no hi (Health-Sports Day)
	Do sports and built a helthy body and mentality.

>	November	3	Bunka no hi (Culture Day)
	Love and peace! Go on the culture. (What? :-)

>			23	Kinro kansha no hi (Labor Thanksgiving Day)
	To respect the labor, celebrate the production and thank each other.

>	December	23	TeNno tanjobi (Emperor's Birth Day)
	To celebrate the Emperor's birthday.

>	About meanings and origins of the Holidays, please look up in books or
>	something by yourself/-selves.   :-)  

Those explanations above are what they say in the second article of
the National Holiday's Act, enforced in 1948.

Any comments?

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:42:43 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <1992Sep1.151055.1544@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Aug29215313@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>>Wrong! The U.S. was more civilized in that it want free trade while
>>>Britain tried to grab all of China's wealth by illegal narcotics
>>>traficking(government-sponsored). What do you think how we had the
>>>Opium war and what Hong Kong was originally intended for?
>>
>>The US wanted free trade with China because the US did not have the fire power
>>nor the resources to crave out its own piece of China. By trying to force the
>>"Open Door" policy, the US hoped to circumvent the advantages of Imperialism.
>>
>>Be civil had little or nothing to do with it.
>
>As later events would prove, the US was one of the very few nations with the
>"fire power" to do almost anything it wanted, anywhere in the world. 
>Certainly, it had enough to carve out whatever piece of China it desired.
RIGHT! Like it was ejected by a poor Vietnam!
>
>Mike
>-- 
>Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: kumamoto@sj.ate.slb.com (Danny Kumamoto)
Subject: Re: working visa
Keywords: VISA
Reply-To: kumamoto@sj.ate.slb.com (Danny Kumamoto)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 03:42:02 GMT

In article <WPM.92Sep3181916@exile.is.morgan.com> wpm@is.morgan.com (W. Phillip\
 Moore) writes:

>If you have a working VISA, then it should be for just one year.  I have
>been told repeatedly that I can't get a working VISA longer than 1 year.
>The multiple reentry permit has no time limit, but is only good until your
>current VISA expires.

Absolutely untrue.

I got my THREE year working visa (could have gotten five, if I had to)
to work in Japan in less than one week -- I FEDEXed my U.S. passport
from Michigan to our San Jose office on Friday, it got stamped in S.F.
Japanese consulate in the next few days and I got it FEDEXed back the
following Wednesday in L.A. (Thursday was Thanksgiving Day and I flew
to Japan from LAX on Friday).

(For a point of reference, I called up Chicago's Japanese consulate
and they told me it would take weeks to get the visa!)

A similar story happened with my coworker who is a white American --
he flew out of S.F. the next day (Saturday).  In fact, my European
coworkers seem to have THREE year working visas, as well.

As for multiple reentry permit, the ones I get stamped on my U.S.
passport states that it's only good for one year.  So, once a year I
have the privilege of taking a cram-packed, rush-hour train into Tokyo
to get my stupid little stamp (you have to go in early or else the
lines get too long)...

My alien registration card expires 1.5 years AFTER my working visa
expires.

Danny

Internet:  kumamoto@verisys.slb.com
      or:  kumamoto@sj.ate.slb.com
SLOWnet:   Verisys Inc., An NTT-Schlumberger Company
             2-2-1 Fuchinobe, Sagamihara-shi, Kanagawa-ken 229, Japan

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lonely in the desert..."
  "It is also lonely among men," the snake said.
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From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Horizon Research


> >miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:

> 	You realize, do you not, that this will result in a 27-part series on
> 	the Open-Door policy, the Spanish-American War, and the US Civil
> 	War?  I'm sorry sirrah, that it must come to this, but you leave
> 	me no choice!   :-)

By now, we all know that it goes without saying. Do tell it like it is,
Michael! Give 'em hell in 20,000 words or less :-)

- Bill
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: postal service
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:39:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep1.193948.18461
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <HARKCOM.92Sep1182152@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp> harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
>
>'international business mail'.  I sent a business size envelope with 4
>pages in it for 1500 yen.  The same letter sent by one of the overnight
>delievery services would run about 4000 yen...  (exchange rate is around
>125 yen/dollar right now).
>
>   For those who are in a hurry and don't have easy access to overnight
>services (or easy access to the money to cover the fee) go to the post
>office and use 'international business mail'...

OCS (Overseas Courier Service) and Kuroneko can also do "overnight"
mail at rates comparable to the PO.  But you are still stuck waiting
around for them. Absolutely DO NOT use DHL. Everyone uses DHL without
even thinking, but it's TOO EXPENSIVE. Even Federal Express is
significantly cheaper.

One thing to be wary of about supposed "overnight" is that NOTHING
will get to it's destination in less than 48 hrs. It takes one night
to even get to Narita, and leaves the country the next day. Always. If
anyone knows a definite exception to this please let me know.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cyor@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ( )
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:24:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.031359.12423@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery) writes:
> 
> 
> I really need a virgin Japanese, hightec cunt!!!!!!
> 



Do you people remember that last year Hajime san (hajime@watnow.waterloo.edu)
was trying to recommend the above kinds of articles should not be 
on the newsgroup?

I recalled that there were lots of discussion from people who tried to blame
him by saying that he was trying to censor the newsgroup.


Now I hope you guys know what his point was...
From: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Opening the rice market
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:24:47 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

gt4650c@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Anderson) writes:

>I was wondering if anything had happened recently in the matter of 
>opening the Japanese rice market.

	Nothing happened.  However, today's San Francisco Chronicle (pg A8,
	Aug 26, '92)

	"US-made sushi is being imported into Japan by a big sushi restaurant
	chain.  Because raw fish and rice are much cheaper in the US than in
	Japan, the Sushi Boy chain is saving bundles of money by having the
	sushi produced in ... San Diego County and frozen for shipment across
	the Pacific reports Japan Digest.  The American rice is exempt from
	Japan's ban on rice imports becuse the edict covers only raw rice, not
	processed or cooked rice."

	Elsewhen, I have read that on the order of 10 - 20 million tons of rice
	is imported in the form of processed rice products from the US, Thailand,
	etc.

	Interestingly, one of the things that upset Japan in the late 19th
	century was Korea's refusal to sell rice to Japan.  Later on, rice 
	was imported from Korea but the price was kept high to provide support
	for landowners in Japan (the actual farming was done by tenant farmers who
	were forced to pay rents that kept them permanently impoverished).  In
	the 1920s there was a riot by city-dwellers who couldn't afford the high
	cost of rice, so then the price was kept very low by Korean imports.
	This further impoverished Japanese rice-farmers and when the Great Depression
	wiped out the US purchases of silk (which the farmers had grown during
	the days when the rice didn't require attention) the situation became
	even worse.

	It was worse yet, of course, for the Koreans whose diet steadily
	deteriorated over the entire period of Japanese occupation.
 
	- Michael Goldman

-- 
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
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