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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Automatic Double Tracking (ADT)
Summary: a.k.a. flanging
Keywords: ADT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:46:26 GMT

In article <C1HJHx.2M6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
>ADT, by the way, was invented by Ken Townsend, a technical engineer at Abbey
>Road studios back in the 60's.  Stuart Eltham, a balance engineer there, is
>the one who actually coined the phrase "Automatic Double Tracking", though.

It was partly John's infamous laziness that inspired the Abbey Road
techs to invent ADT, since John hated to concentrate on accurate
double-tracking; ADT obviated the need.

This is the technique, BTW, which John referred to as "flanging", 
based upon George Martin's jocund explanation of the process. See
Lewisohn's The Book, p. 70, for more details.

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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: Marketing video clips of the Fabs
Organization: University of Sussex
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:22:14 GMT

saki (dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu) wrote:
: 
: Documentaries are also not known for airing complete events; their point
: requires illustration but not the video equivalent of verbosity. An excerpt
: often makes an impact (to wit, John's "rattle their jewelry" comment) where
: instead, within the complete musical performance, its illustrative power 
: is lost. I'm not arguing in favor of this technique, mind you; I myself
: would love to see the complete Royal Variety Show, Granada TV clips,
: Thank Your Lucky Stars, Ready Steady Go! appearances, but documentaries
: have another agenda. They're providing minor quotes of musical events,
: which help them tell the story of history.

Agreed.

At present on UK Channel 4 on saturday nights a programme billed as
Ready Steady Go! is running.  In fact it is made up of assorted out of
order and unlinked clips from  RSG, from Around the Beatles (grrrrr)
and Dave Clarke (who?) films.

If the excerpts themselves were not so basically good, I'd have
destroyed my TV at least 5 times!  :-)

I'd really really love to see WHOLE shows, uncut.

(As for Royal Command Performance (a rare slip by saki there) she
knows my address, and can come round and watch it any time - but I
suspect that she'll have to wait until she comes over in 1999 - and
readers other than saki can email me if they can work out WHY 1999 -
and as far as I know it has no oblig beatles connection  :-)

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"


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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup: a cappella music
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:36:04 GMT

In article <C14v6v.32s@eis.calstate.edu> lcornel@eis.calstate.edu (Louis Cornelio) writes:
>bcimmet@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>> I am interested in starting a new Newsgroup on a cappella music. Please email
>> me at the below address with any response.
>
>How about starting w/ Grupo Vocal Sampling from Cuba!
>

I have seen some Beatles songs transcribed for a cappella choir...
maily all Paul's, as one could easily have supposed.
 

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"home" email: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Paul vs. Penn??!!??
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
| [Quoting Dave Barry...]
|B>	Speaking of bad lyrics, many voters also cited Paul McCartney, who,
|B>    ever since his body was taken over by a pod person, has been writing
|B>    things like: ``Someone's knockin' at the door; Somebody's ringin' the
|B>    bell; (repeat); Do me a favor, open the door, and let him in.''

I have to admit, that isn't exactly my favorite lyric of all time, either.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Big Mac's "Deliverence"

I'm now listening to this (for the first time) as I type. Excuse the train
of conciousness writing style :-)

So far it's been mainly instrumental dance music (very typical, nothing
amazing, but not boring or anything). I suspect that very little of the
original music remains, although you can hear (what sounds like) Macca
singing the words "Hope of deliverance" over and over again. There are
some backing "OOs", but I can't hear anything really Lindaish. Now the beat
has stopped and it's just Macca singing "Hope of deliverance". The first track
ended.

There were some backing vocals reminisant of "Pretty Little Head", so they
probably came from the original as well.

Hmmm. I'm wondering how much of the original song remains, I wonder if it
wasn't only the occasional vocal excerpt that was sampled and used. Obviously
I haven't heard the original album so can't really make this judgement.

The "dub" mix is pretty much what you expect from a dub mix. Standard cheesy
sampled distorted guitar sounds etc. Sorta sounds like some Gary Clail
tracks (am I thinking of "Human Nature"???).

I want to sample the breakbeat playing now :-)

...... more sampled Macca vocals. Sounds quite good though. Sampled guitar comes
and goes. Another good beat.

The dub mix ends. Good quality dance music I suppose, but it's not what I 
usually listen to.

Finally, the original version of the single. Hmmmm...... It sounds a lot like
The Travelling Wilbury's "New Blue Moon" :-)

Cheers,

Ross-c
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:59:21 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:

>Does this mean that Latin music could have really become a well-followed style
>that early?  I just note that there was little prominence in Latin music styles
>until the 80s, when the Miami Sound Machine, coupled with the popularity of
>Miami Vice, helped to propel Latin music and culture into the mainstream.

You forget about the Bossa Nova craze of the early '60s.  Antonio
Carlos Jobim was the most popular Latin composer, having penned
"Girl From Impanema", "Meditation", "One Note Samba", and "Quiet
Nights of Quiet Stars".  These are FANTASTIC songs ... too bad
we only know of them by their Muzak wimp renditions.  I have
an album with Frank Sinatra singing these songs in English and
Jobim singing them in Portuguese ... fantastic stuff.

Latin music was quite popular back then in the U.S., but with the 
adult crowd, not the teen rock-and-rollers.  Except "La Bamba", that is.


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From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (L'Angelo Misterioso)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Twist&Shout/La Bamba (was:Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6029@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson) writes...
>Since I've never quite understood this (and all the 'notes on' use this),
>how would the progression 'C F F# G' be written?  (I IV ? V).

	If the F# is a major chord, then it would be I-IV-IV#-V. A progression
like the one you mention indicates a possible change in key to G major.

>				Ignorantly

	Nothing ignorant about it :)

mike
From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Please teach me .
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:52:27 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1993Jan20.220305.12512@unocal.com> stsslxs@st.unocal.com (Luis Sandoval) writes:

>Someone already answered the question about the meaning of sweet.

>The difference between Lord and God, by traditional standards, is Lord is commonly
>used to descibe Jesus Christ who in turn is the son of God. I hope this clarifies
>everything.

I dont know which tradition you are referring to, though Christianity is
not MY religion either (I dont profess one), but speaking as a linguist, 
I would say that Lord was his title or rank, and God was his name. In those
religions where his name is specially revered, "the Lord" is often used
as a metonym for "God". In Jewish custom for example, where God's name is
too sacred to be pronounced, the sequence of letters corresponding to his
name (roughly YHVA, whence Jehova) are always pronounced aloud as `adonai'
"Our Lord".
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Marketing video clips of the Fabs
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:10:47 GMT

In article <1798@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> dvp@getafix (Dave Parry) writes:
>I hope and pray that songs included in the documentaries will be
>complete and not excerts, particulary if TV/concert footage is used.

It's unlikely that this will happen...but not just to confound you. The
rights to these film/video clips are tangled between the original owner
(television entity of origin, viz., Granada, BBC, etc.) and any
rights or control which the Beatles may have over their own performance
of same. The added complication is that original contracts may not have
given the Fabs any control at all in airing or sale of these clips, but
current legal theory could give them definite proprietary rights; clearance
must be secured from them as well in this case, which means greater delays,
greater expense, and certifiably greater bother.

Documentaries are also not known for airing complete events; their point
requires illustration but not the video equivalent of verbosity. An excerpt
often makes an impact (to wit, John's "rattle their jewelry" comment) where
instead, within the complete musical performance, its illustrative power 
is lost. I'm not arguing in favor of this technique, mind you; I myself
would love to see the complete Royal Variety Show, Granada TV clips,
Thank Your Lucky Stars, Ready Steady Go! appearances, but documentaries
have another agenda. They're providing minor quotes of musical events,
which help them tell the story of history.

Someday someone sensible in Apple and/or the BBC, Granada, etc., will
realize the commercial viability of marketing the *complete* performances,
and they'll be sufficiently motivated to release nice packages; at least
I hope so. It happened with the Ed Sullivan shows (sort of...I'd still
rather see British Invasion stars do their magic in proper context,
commercials and all; but that's not what tweaks most people's interests).
Since it's obvious that interest in the Fabs continues to grow, I'd hope
we might have more complete video releases to anticipate at some future time.

--
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have made *THE* RECORD OF THE YEAR!"
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From: jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter)
Subject: Re: Paul's new song
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:10:58 GMT

Let me try and get something straight here. Are you people trying to say that
the cassette single "Hope of Deliverance" is being sold out everywhere? I got
mine on Tuesday when it came out, to be on the safe side, but my neighborhood
record store still has all of its copies except for the one that I bought!!!
Or are you talking about some other format of the single? I am confused and
I need someone to explain it to me. Thank you.
From: cmbishop@teal.csn.org (Michael Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Badfinger, Straight Up?
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:57:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
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Has anyone heard when Badfinger's album, _Straight Up_  will
be released on CD?  Thanx.

Michael Bishop
Internet: cmbishop@csn.org
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From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (L'Angelo Misterioso)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Twist&Shout/La Bamba (was:Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>>Oh, and while we're on the subject of "La Bamba," (and in order to get back to
>>a Beatles subject) has anyone noticed that the chord progression for "La Bamba"
>>matches that of "Twist and Shout?"
> 
>Yes, you could actually sing both songs simutaneously.  I believe that
>"Twist & Shout" was written after "La Bamba" was a hit (around 1961, 
>I think), so clearly the latter influenced the former.  It illustrates 
>again why I think "La Bamba" was a very important record.

	The chord progression in question is known amongst composers as 
a "I-IV-V" progression, and is used a *lot* in popular music. Most 12-bar
blues songs (especially Chuck Berry), 'Louie Louie', 'Wild Thing', 
'Smokin' (Boston), and countless other songs use this progression. 
	The easiest way to explain it is like this: In any given key (Let's
use C major), each chord is given a Roman numeral, I through VII. Upper case
numbers are major chords, lower case numbers are minor chords. In a I-IV-V
progression in our example of C major, the I is C major (being the first chord
in the key), the IV is F major (being the fourth chord in the key), and the V 
is G major (being the fifth chord in the key). In G major, this progression 
would be I (G major), IV (C major), and V (D major). 
	To bring this back to the Beatles, I doubt that 'La Bamba' would have
really influenced them. It has been my understanding that a lot of American
music was hard to come by in the UK except for Elvis, Buddy Holly, and Chuck 
Berry. I believe that 'La Bamba' peaked around #22 on the top 40, 
so if it wasn't a huge hit here, I don't imagine anyone across the Atlantic 
would have had access to it. I would chalk up any similarities more to a 
common musical technique rather than the direct influence of the song.

mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: New Beatlesque Music!
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:31:32 GMT

In article <1k3oef$li9@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU
(Brian Harvey) writes:

>I suspect that the "also" above is wrong.  American Decca is a different
>company from British Decca.

Decca was split up a long time ago, the 1930's I believe.  This has
caused confusion ever since, as people try to track international
record releases.  For example it is called "ironic" that My Bonnie was
on Decca in the US, considering that Decca UK rejected the Beales, but
the two Deccas really have nothing to do with each other.  The UK
company is known as "British Decca" in the US trade, according to a
book I read soem time ago.  This is not the only case of record
companies splitting up on national lines, but it may be the only one
that used exactly the same name ("Decca").

--Joe Brennan

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: krlynch@athena.mit.edu (Kevin R Lynch)
Subject: RE:Opinions about USSR album
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:48:07 GMT

IMNO, the Choba B CCCP (please forgive the ascii mangling of this title) album is
probably one of McCartney's best solo works.  He and the band cover some of the
best songs from the fifties, in what amounts to a "live" recording.  The liner 
notes mention that the tracks were recorded with little or no practice, and were 
one take deals.  The quality and spark of a live performance really shows through.
And not only is the performance spectacular, but the sound quality of the
recordings is relatively high.  If you liked the Unplugged album, I would say
that this one is a must purchase.

Kevin Lynch
krlynch@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Opinions about USSR album
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 11:18:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.053500.3203@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A. G. Seely) writes:
>
>I have the Russian LP version of this recording, and have some trouble
>reading the liner notes.  Does anyone have an English translation in
>electronic form they would be willing to email me?  (I do not know if the
>English liner notes in the "western" release are the same, but they would be
>a reasonable substitute if that's all that is available.)

me too! I had always had strong problems in reading Russian :-)
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From: jcuu@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: ALBUM NOTES from USSRE album...English
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:51:53 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Pauls album notes on inside of cover from Russian Album:
Just bought a copy tonight. Here is the English version of the signature note:

When i was young, i asked my Dad if people wanted peace. He said to me: "Yes,
people everywhere want peace -- it's usually politicians that cause trouble."
It alwasys seemed to me that the way The Beatles' music was admired in the
USSR tended to prove his point that people the world over have a great deal in
commmon.

"In releasing this record exclusively in the Soviet Union, I extend the hand of
peace and friendship to the people of the USSR."

(end of signature message)

As i am listening to it for the first time, it is interesting to note that John
Lennon also put out a post-break-up Rock and Roll album with all pre-1960 stuff
(and a GREAT cover!) and two of paul's USSR songs were also done by John. It is
great to compare them. John did a version of Stand By Me that brings tears to
your eyes.These looks back into "our Roots" by John and Paul are both
wonderful. Pick up Rock and Roll (very hard to find) by John. It, too is a
keeper.

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From: stsslxs@st.unocal.com (Luis Sandoval)
Subject: Re: Latinesque music in pop
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:18:28 GMT

In article <9810dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu> writes:

>>There was "Lo Mucho Que Te Quiero" from about 1965 (I may be off by a year or
>>two, and I can't recall the group either, blast it... 

Rene & Rene

also:

>>Latin influence was also heard in the jazz-crossover hit "Watermelon
>>Man" by the group Mongo Santamaria (1962, covering Herbie Hancock's
>>original).

Mongo Santamaria is person not a group.

I enjoyed your analysis of one of my favorite misical forms.
From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Parodies of With the Beatles cover
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:21:33 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <C18F68.Fxs@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:

>The picture sleeve to "Land of Confusion" by Genesis is a parody of the _With
>The Beatles_ cover.
>I've also seen an LP by a 5 or 6 member black group that is a parody of this
>as well.

This cover was also parodied by The Residents and (i think) Utopia.

					JaMesa Willer
["don'tblameme,Ijustwroteit,putitonarecord,wrappeditup,andthenIsoldit" Prince]
From: Frank_Schwedler@ki.maus.de (Frank Schwedler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatle 3/4 Reunion
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 12:43:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
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>A friend who is well aware of my obsession with the Beatles told me that
>they were planning some kind of a reunion with Paul, George, and Ringo.
>He wasn't sure of any details, but I knew that if I brought it up here,
>you all could tell me something about it.  The smile hasn't left my face
>since I heard.
wl>
wl>        Actually, as I understand it - the three remaining Beatles have
wl>been negotiating a 'Beatles Story' with two BIG networks (ABC, CBS I
wl>think), and are looking to play themselves.  A good source (from MCA
wl>records) also told me that they are discussing singing on the pilot.

Paul has played his new song in a German-TV-show yesterday. After that he gave
an interview. He said (in Starclub-German) that himself, George and Ringo will
play in a (british) TV serial together. But he denies a reunion of the three
remaining Beatles...

Paul has announced a concert in Frankfurt/Germany February, 22nd. Hope it is
not the only concert in Germany!

Frank Schwedler@ki.maus.de
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: a70901@uwasa.fi (Mikko Suhonen)
Subject: Re: Automatic Double Tracking (ADT)
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:19:04 GMT

In article <1k2b8hINNhk4@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>Over in rec.music.makers, someone recently asked about this technique, which
>I seem to recall being discussed here in rec.music.beatles, and the answers
>being posted don't jibe with what I think I remember about it.  Could someone
>who knows either mail me a desciption of the technique, or, better yet, post
>it to r.m.m. (and probably here in r.m.b., too, in order to ward off the
>inevitable "I wanna know, too" postings that this will generate!).
>
>-- 
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>    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
>    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain

Good description on ADT is on THE Mark Levisohns book The Beatles
complete recording sessions.

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From: jsull@pica.army.mil (J. Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Michelle...year???
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:45:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.beatles
Organization: U.S. Army Armament Research Dev. & Eng. Ctr, Dover NJ

What year was Michelle released/popular?