From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: European Parliament and the Lebanese legislative elections
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:34:18 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

hani@gilaman.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Jul29.192457.11631@prism.poly.edu>, medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar) writes:
: [......]
: > 
: > It is good you brought this point.  Denemark people just voted in a referendum
: > not to be part of the European unification.  I guess Denemark people now
: > must move to Greenland or Antarctica to let the European unification happen.
: 
: Bassem,
: 	The example of Denmark you are refering to, works agianst what you
: are saying.  If you were following the unification of Europe properly, you
: would have noticed that the Danish people voted against their government,
: more than on the unification ticket.  In fact, the vote was close like 52-48
: I believe.  It is forgranted in Europe that everyone WILL join.  And Denmark
: is going to have another referundum which is expected to pass.  The point I
: am making is that the ultimate goal or objective of any Arab state, and Lebanon

  Hany is correct when he says the everyone WILL join. It's a question of 
agreement on the procedure and nothing else.
  I'll add that Danish people didn't vote against the unification, but against
the procedure (a treaty of more than 100 pages). Here we can see real problems
of unification : How to unify laws, tax rates, social systems, voting rights,
and such. There are several deputies in France against the unification because
they don't want "foreigners" to have voting rights inside France, that doesn't
make them anti-European, they disagree with the treaty and nothing else.
  
[..................]
: the importanceof democratizing and rebuilding East Germany.  These are
: situation where benefits are not measured only by Oil Barrels, although nothing
: is wrong with that either.  There a shared destiny, common culture, and
: famlial relations between Lebanon and many Arab states.
: > Do you see how follish your argument is?  If the Lebanese population vote
: > by majority in an honest election to unite with the rest of the Arab countries
: > that will be great, at least my country will get a share of the Gulf oil
: > revenue, wouldn't you say?  So, what form of political government will this

 I'll add that people in W Germany could very easily use the same arguments
that ElieDW uses : There has never been "a great Germany" except for 40 or 50
years. Germany was divided into ~350 independant states till the end of the
last century, out of this division they built one of the greatest powers of the
20th century. But they didn't hesitate a second, despite the BIG cost of the
unification, WHY ?. 
: 
: that REGIMES DO NOT REPRESENT PEOPLE IN THE ARAB WORLD.  If there was a
: Country like Sweden on the Northern borders, and Norway to the East, and
: Canada to the south, (all with ARAB population) would be more willing to unite,
: although economic benefits are not clear, as the case in Europe?  
: 
: 
: > union have, or do you want to unite first an decide on the form of government 
: > later?  [While in jail for defying the absolute Arab ruler]  My point on this
: > issue is that you should unite when it is benificial to you and not based on
: > romantic sentiments which others may not share.  When you unite, you should
: 
: Explain to me the romance the West German are practicing, although they
: are under economic burdens due to unification.
:   
[..]
: 
: > know what you are jumping into before you start jumping.
: > 
[....]
: and newspapers.  It took Europe centuries to reealize the importance of
: unification to face the new economic and political challenge.  I hope we
: can learn and reduce that time to less than centuries...I think Arabs can
: learn quick.  If Eastern Europeans (who are acting like Arabs now) can revolt
: and dispose of Dictators, Arabs can and will. 
   Don't forget how deadly was the war between Germany and other European 
countries (WWI & WWII) and ONLY 50 years later they are going into unification.
What bugs me that if the French politicians (the MOST educated politicians in
the world) come to a conclusion that "La France is too small to stand alone in
this world", while we have some "great" intellectual who insist on isolating
their country of its neighbours.
: 
: A people with no dream, can not build a nation.  Especially when cosmic
: objectives are measured by the insignificance of individual economic 
: prosperity.  
: 
: > Do you really think that Kuwait's miniscule population will share its
: > enormous oil revenue with Egypt 40 million+ population?
: > 
: 
: One way or another Lebanese always benefited from Arab Moneys.  So
: why not?

  Maybe the actual situation will change after Kuwaitis loosing money in their
investments in Spain (i don't have the number here, but it was an awful sum).
: 
: > bassem
: > 
: > 
: -- 
:  ____    ____ "These views are explicitly/implicitly
: |    \  /    | mine...and not that of U-M or CAEN",   
:  | |\ \/ /| |  University of Michigan| Hani_Nassif@um.cc.umich.edu
:  | | \  / | |  1354 G.G.Brown Lab.   | hani@caen.engin.umich.edu

--
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. ouicheck@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | LABORATOIRE 	BULL-IMAG
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
					
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon