HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:09:48 GMT

In article <71917@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)  
writes:
>...  People, it's nice to think we're
> fearsome, terror causing monstrosities, but the 'straight'  
community
> does not spend it's every waking hour worrying about 'them damn
> homosexuals.'  In fact, it couldn't  care less about our existence.   
The
> anti-GLB stuff is a smokescreen.  Every election, there's a *them*  
-
> and we're *them* this year. The Body Politic has decided to let
> minorities (primarily Blacks) off the hook for a change.  The new
> demographics are making it increasingly difficult to be a racist
> politician and win (it can, however, be done - a la Helms).  But if  
-
> and it is a big if this time - if Bush is relected, persecuting the
> GLB community is not going to have an agenda item on the alternate
> schedule for an intern to an intern to an intern in the White  
House.
> The past of Presidential politics shows the economy to be the one
> and *only* deciding issue in elections.  The flippy-floppy state of
> our current economy means the Republicans have to try everything
> they can, wave every red flag they can think of, to win.  That they
> are waving a red flag called  'The Homosexual Agenda' does *not*
> mean they give to craps about it - it means they *think* it will
> work well as a distraction.

Unhappily, we _know_ there are people out there who would just
love to put us all into camps - and maybe worse.  Attributing
this stuff to conscious political manipulation is fine - and
there is probably some truth to it.  Maybe the shrubbery and
the republican national committee are really that Machiavellian
- but are all the hangers on?  I've heard politicians call us
animals - lower than slime - and unworthy of any rights at
all, I've read about preachers who have declared from the
pulpit that we should all be killed.  Where does the smoke
end and the truth begin?

The critical question: "How can you tell the difference?"

I'm willing to bet that there were lots of {Jews, gypsies,
and other nazi-defined "subhumans"} - as well as aryan germans -
in Germany who watched Hitler rise to power, and who thought
that the anti-semitism was just a political ploy.  Many 
of the Germans "didnt care less about" the existence of 
the rest - many Germans could say "Some of my best friends
are Jews", and probably the majority of Germans were appalled
when they finally realized just what had happened - because
they just sat by and didnt look.  

--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:57:42 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

>   *Shiver* Stop it, Rye!  You're giving me chills!

Wow! I've been waiting a whole wheat for someone to call him that!

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crossposting
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:40:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug25.164025.21856
Organization: insert anything here

berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>>jack hamilton complains that i didn't send *him* my corrective note.
>>quite right.  that means his posting reached me either before i
>>started sending these notes on friday or after i stopped on sunday,
>>during the times when i was 'k'ing away the threads wholesale.

>>i did send notes to lawrence foard and jim berninger.

>>arnold (fearing that *this* is becoming an actual thread)

>If this *does* become a thread, please keep my name out of it.  I
>just saw Jack Hamilton's request for the names of the other guilty
>(motss) party(ies) and don't appreciate my name being tossed into
>the ring like this.  True, I followed up to the thread in question.
>My post raised the question/concern of the source of the postings --
>I believe this qualifies for cross-posting moreso than most of the
>other followups that were posted.  

	I tihnk that's an important distinction.  I, like Arnold sent e-mail
to the corss-posters, but not the ones who were following-up on the
sub-thread that was checking where theoriginal thread came from.

>My justification is my own.  I
>committed the crime.  I have no other defense.  Go ahead.  Persecute
>me.  It will get you nowhere.


	I doubt that's anyone intention, and I think it's kind of odd that
this particular thread is generating so much reaction - we've had threads
like this before where the *content* was anti-GBLO* and didn't react
nearly as much...

>*However*, the correspondence that transpired between myself and
>mr.  zwicky is our own business.  I don't believe it was anyone
>else's business to know to whom notes were sent.
>
>'Nuff said.

	Agreed.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:47:43 GMT
Summary: marked versus unmarked

In article <2aa62c96@ThreeL.co.uk>, jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:

> Crossing your legs is culture?  I'd no idea that culture
> was so *easy*.

Well, if Brits weren't so [delightfully, he said] degenerate, they
would just, like, KNOW, that the NATURAL condition of real he-men
men is to throw one leg orthogonally over the other thigh [mind you,
real Amurrrrican he-men wouldn't be able to parse this sentence.]
Anything else is grounds for beating up as a sissy.

Culture is only easy for the cultured. For, like, REAL men it is
beyond comprehension or possibility.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon			"I know of nothing -- I suspect
					not even death -- that is so fixed
mls@usl.com				in the present tense as love."
standard disclaimer					-- Jess Anderson
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:31:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.142735.381@mcs.gvsu.edu> orr@perlis.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) writes:
>One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
>refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.

We figured you would GirlUNfriend.  I mean its ok to be a homo, as long
as your still a mysogynist.  idjit(tm).

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry anim
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:48:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <joelp.714173518@cs.man.ac.uk> <92232.132006IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
  <2A92B6EB.7884@ics.uci.edu>

I use the term "lacto-bovo-vegetarian" to describe myself: I eat
vegetables, milk, and beef.

--Tim Smith
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Freedom (was Re: Gay Homophobia)
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:13:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug23.080842.24718@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>(Note to clinicians: add projection to the list of personality
> deformations; Butch is now exporting his rage about being a
> disgusting, silly, weak faggot to others, unable to bear it
> in himself.)

Duly noted.  My bill is in the mail.  ;-)

Peace



-- 
| Dean D Blakeley, MD            |  This ain't no party.  This ain't no disco |
| Ambulatory Care Service (11C)  |  This ain't no fooling around.             |
| Durham VA Medical Center       |  - David Byrne                             |
| Durham NC 27705                |  NeXTMail accepted                         |
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: We Sing OUT!!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:44:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep2.224437.23136
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

This is part of a article in our chorus newsletter describing in part
what we at Portland Gay Men's Chorus and Portland Lesbian Choir will be doing
in October.  This is not an offical choir posting and neither choir is 
responsible for this information.

"Although it is one of our typical hectic Fall/Winter terms, one of the
most important features of our Fall term is our tour of Southern Oregon.
With the OCA (Oregon Citizen's Alliance) running at full steam, it is 
imperative that we take our message in song to communities where we can not 
only increase the awareness that gay men are not to be feared, but also involve members of the arts, music, and main stream communities in a 
wonderful, uplifting musical experience."

We will be making two run out tours.  The first will be down to the Medford/
Ashland area on October 17, spending the night there then heading over
to Coos Bay the next day for a concert to be held at 3:00 p.m.

The following Saturday, October 24th we have been invited to sing at the 
McKenzie Theater in SPRINGFIELD, OREGON!  So that is another bus run out
of town and so far it looks as if the buses will cost the chorus over 
$2100. 

Both PLC and PGMC will be going on these tours.  As many of you know 
things have really become very scary for those of us living in 
Oregon.  The strange thing is that the Portland metropolitan area is
a very diversity supportive area.  The city of Portland and
the county of Multnomnah have been very supportive of the GBLO cause.  But
it is the areas outside the PDX metro area that scare us.  Thus we are going
on these two tours to lend our support to our sisters and brothers
in other areas of our state.  The choirs are really excited about these 
tours.  PGMC toured last spring and it was a great event.

Okay, here is the difficult part and again it is at this point very 
unofficial, off the record, non PGMC/PLC sanctioned, but does anyone out
there want to help support our tours?  We really are weary of getting money
from inside our community since so much of it is going to the "No on 9"
and the ever increase AIDS support organizations.

There I said it.  I wouldn't ask, but this opprotunity to reach out
to our community in southern Oregon is such a wonderful thing to do.

Anyway, if anyone would like to discuss ideas or would like to help out
e-mail me.  Ideas such as fundraisers would be great.  If there are people
out there who would like to financially help I will put you in contact
with the General Manager of PGMC!

snodgras@lclarck.edu

Bil Snodgrass
331 N.E. Knott
Portland, Oregon 97212

(503) 287-0975  (yea, I could subject myself for some nasty phone 
calls, but I am pretty good over the phone!!!!!! ;-)
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Newsweek's take on "family values"
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:04:29 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

I haven't been reading motss in the last couple of days because of
work, so my apologies if this has already been posted.

This week's Newsweek has Woody and Mia's breakup, and his affair with
her adopted daughter, as their cover story.  The subtitle on the
contents page begins with "``Family values'' hit home to New Yorkers
last week..."

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:22:55 GMT

In article <mcmelmon-200892093705@mcmelmon.apple.com> mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
[hateful Buchanan spew-quote deleted]
>The excerpt is easily the best sound-bite in the history of politics. 

Better than Lloyd Bentsen's "I knew Jack Kennedy...You're no Jack Kennedy"?
Better than Reagan's "There you go again"?
Better than Mondale's "Where's the beef?"  (really from a Wendy's commercial)

This must be some new definition of "best sound-bite in the history of
politics" of which I had not previously been aware.

(apologies to Douglas Adams)

-- 
  ______     John Cavallino - B0 f++ c+ g++ k s++ e+ h- pv
  \    /     queer person              
   \  /      EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
    \/       Talk requests: jcav@quads.chicago.edu
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sim is OK!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:32:08 GMT

julie@hood.nrl.navy.mil (Julie Hood) writes:
:I just spoke to Sim and he and his home are in tact.
:No electricity yet but his bunny is fine.

Thank heavens. Send him our love next time you talk to him.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Date: 03 Sep 92 00:35:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Sep2.003538.29809@queernet.org>

rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
) anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
) >Oh I just get all *shivery* when KKruella waxes wroth!

) Imagine how Wroth feels...

Or Wreilly...
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: musical finale
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:56:49 GMT

>In article <1992Aug24.070421.5492@syacus.acus.oz.au> brent@syacus.acus.oz.au  
>(Brent Davies) writes:

>}      --Honegger's "Adagio for Strings"
          ^^^^^^^^

(*gakk!*) Did I write that?  I meant Hovahness.  (sp?  Good lord, Jess, help?)

--Brent
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Summary: new reese's peanut butter pods
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:03:11 GMT
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.

In article <-zjnncj.stephena@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.170835.9873@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>>I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly sammiches
>>>>AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)
>>>I'll check the SF Board of Education and see what the schools have on the
>>>menu that week.
>>Great image.
>
>Well, what other place has PBJ sandwiches *AND* can seat 40+?
>Who want's to be lunchroom monitor?

can i be the *vice* principal who gives *corporal* *punishment* to
those who do *nasty* things with their *peanut* butter and their *jelly* ?

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:19:11 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <1992Aug31.190801.19953@tc.cornell.edu>
>shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:

>>In article <1992Aug31.183240.1543@PacBell.COM>,
>>rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>>> Perhaps it's because he writes so much pap...

>>You're really determined to milk this one, eh?

>though I probably only miss 2% of the homo stuff.

	bob must really have me cowed; at first i was udderly at a loss
	for words as how to respond to this blossoming thread.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Insults
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:45:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(graves)
/> Explanation and education, not insult and ostracism should be the 
/> order of the day.

/(adolphso)
(adolphso)
/Fuck off, asshole.



SO, Arne, how does it feel?

A gentlespoken, well-mannered individual like John Graves, speaking in
very positive tones has a difference with you.  He agrees with you on 
99% of what you are saying, but disagrees on the method and the 
delivery.  And you STILL CAN'T HANDLE THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.  It
brings out *incredibly* vicious emotions in you.  God, it's so amazing!

Even when the viewpoint is extremely unthreatening and gay-positive, if it 
doesn't square with your views, then it's "fuck off, asshole" to 
anyone who dares to gainsay your illustrious wisdom.   Graves is even
*on your side*, and you still can't treat him with civility or simple 
human decency.

Face it, bud:  you are an intolerant hypocrite, and a spoiled child
with a bad attitude.  You preach tolerance, but what you really want is 
tolerance for *you* and *your* ideas - - to hell with everyone else.  

In your own way, you are the worst kind of fascist: the "True Believer",
and not the party hack that just obeys orders.  You are so self-deluded 
about your sanctity and righteousness that you have shut off any external 
corrective input which might put you back in touch with reality.

I hope to be around to see the end result of your attitude come back
home to roost with you.  Seeing karma in action is very satisfying.
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: DeNeuve (was Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992)
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:06:46 GMT
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <1992Sep2.174611.19340@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:
> I'm holding out for the swimsuit issue of "Lear's."  (Or is
> it "Lears'" or "Lears" or what?  [...] )

Me too, although I prefer the "Leers" spelling (not being
quite sure what to make of Frances).
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Quotes
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:48:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.064848.5819
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


  I no longer love the colour of your sweaters
  I no longer love the way you hold your pens and pencils
  I no longer love it
                                        --Laurie Anderson
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                  Where do you conceal the gun in a bikini?
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:18:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug27.151354.10189@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
Anderson) writes:

>To my great surprise, the map of dates onto days was the
>same in 1942 as in 1992. 

Is that Gregorian or Julian?  In 1892 the Congress and the President declared
that Columbus day should be celebrated on Oct. 23 as that was the Gregorian
date for the Julian Oct. 12.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Tea parties
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.074533.29129@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>When did the term "tearoom" get coined, and why?

"T-room."  Toilet room.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:12:35 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug27.163628.18413@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:


>No, this isn't a posting about our fucked healthcare system.

Too bad, it's a mess and I'll be the first to admit it.

>First, I had to fill out my "profile" on a form, which required
>my rejecting the provided marital status options (including
>"separated," "divorced," and "widowed") and writing in "gay
>with partner."

Hmmm, I'll have to go back and look at our health screening
questionnaire I wrote for my old city clinic back in Columbus.
Now, let's see where is that file here ...


>"Very good," pronounced the doc, giving me a conceptual pat
>on the head.

Oh, my gawd! He actually did that?

>Is it advisable to bite one's personal physician stand-in
>on the leg?

Yup, you've got every right to do that.  But seriously it does
point out a problem with the medical training system.  There is
absolutely (as I recalled from my own training) no training
done for multi-cultural sensitivity.  True, there are a few 
bright spots here and there, but by and large it's up to the
individual to decided who he/she will respond to a particular
situation that is "out of norm."

At the University of Missouri-Columbia we had a voluntary
weekend workshop in "sexual desensitization" where we sat in
a lecture hall and watched video vignettes depicting topical
areas of masturbation, heterosexual sex, inter-racial sex,
homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
category, and finally sex among the physically handicapped.

These weren't porno flicks per se, but documentary footage of
folks going at it with the above groupings as mentioned.  Many
of these were obviously made in the late 70's and were a tad
bit dated.  The better ones from a reality perspective were
the "geriatric", physiology and disability series.  The 
homosexual sections were 4 fifteen reels alternating between
female-female and male-male.

The audience of medical students would break out into small
discussion groups after each section.  Everybody was pretty
mellow during the masturbation, heterosexual and inter-racial
films.  You could have heard a pin drop during the homosexual
film screening and the discussions were very loud.  I give 
credit to the group leaders (from the Family and Community
Medicine faculty) for keeping things on an even keel during 
the whole weekend, but I can truly say that it was a real
experience watching those around me during the presentations.

So, yes, your doctor was an insensitive buffoon and should have
been reprimanded for such a condescending action.

Peace




-- 
| Dean D Blakeley, MD            |  This ain't no party.  This ain't no disco |
| Ambulatory Care Service (11C)  |  This ain't no fooling around.             |
| Durham VA Medical Center       |  - David Byrne                             |
| Durham NC 27705                |  NeXTMail accepted                         |
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Summary: Beards on Flight Attendants
Keywords: i wouldn't dare
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:23:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep3.054747.13386@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> 
> I mention only in passing how delighted I was to find
> [on 2 out of 3 flights] that beards among the [yes,
> male] flight attendants [who were there mainly for my
> safety, but deigned to serve complimentary beverages]
> are apparently in fashion.  One, I might add, was a
> certifiable bear of mature stature.

Yes, this is very much true.  My Mother's boyfriend has been a flight
attendant for about 12 years.  When he started, he had to get special
permission to keep his beard, since it was against regulations.
Recently, we had a conversation about changes is company policy, and
the current popularity of beards among the flight crew.  You might say
it is the current "fad" in high altitude fashion...

Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu
"just my 2 cents"