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From: cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken)
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Subject: Re: Mouse Problems
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: State Health Registry of Iowa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The Windows 3.1 Getting Started manual talks about the problem of a jumping
mouse cursor, and the Windows 3.1 Resource Kit has a couple good 
troubleshooting flowcharts for mouse problems.  Basically, the advice is to:

1)  clean the ball;

2)  check for interrupt or I/O port address conflicts with another device
    in the PC; and

3)  make sure no incompatible drivers or TSRs, such as CLICK, LOGIMENU, or
    CPANEL, are loaded.

    ** _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize. **
Karl Boyken, Project Analyst  | Although you wonder me, with your majestic and
State Health Registry of Iowa | superior cackling hen, your people I do not
kboyken@pmeh-po.pmeh.uiowa.edu| understand, so to you I shall put an end, and
cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu   | you'll never hear surf music again.--J. Hendrix
From: cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken)
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Subject: Re: vbrun100.dll
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:17:00 GMT
Organization: State Health Registry of Iowa
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In article <WIN3-L%92041408533743@UICVM.BITNET>, PARESI@SJC.BITNET writes...
>Help!  ever since I upgraded to Windows 3.1 - everything that uses
>VBRUN such as icon works/envlope program and others I get a
>General Protection Error and can't use any of the programs anymore.
>I checked my .dll file and its fine, same as before (checked against
>tape backup) and when I upgraded at work, the .dll file is the same but works
>with icon works..  what can i do?

Somewhere in the setup information, or in one of the .WRI files, there's a 
warning to delete older versions of vbrun100.dll before installing Windows 3.1
to the same directory as Windows 3.0.  Evidentally, SETUP will install the
new, 3.1-compatible .dll only if there is no .dll there already.

    ** _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize. **
Karl Boyken, Project Analyst  | Although you wonder me, with your majestic and
State Health Registry of Iowa | superior cackling hen, your people I do not
kboyken@pmeh-po.pmeh.uiowa.edu| understand, so to you I shall put an end, and
cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu   | you'll never hear surf music again.--J. Hendrix
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:16:57 CET
From:         Joern-Morten Innselset <SIV91033@NOBIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      SmartDrv AND SWAPFile???

Hi!

I currently run Windows 3.0 in enhanced mode on my 386SX with 2Mb RAM.
I have set up the system to use a permanent swapfile of maximum 3Mb, and
also specify the device driver SMARTDRV.SYS with parameter 768 in my config.
My question is: Will SMARTDRV load frequently used data FROM my hard disk and
INTO virtual memory, thereby just moving my data around my hard disk and make
my system bite it's own tail?

Yours, Morten.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:01:00 EST
From:         Michael Gordon <GORDONM@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: And again Win3.1

>So far the only programs that have given me problems have been
>Omnipage 1.0 and ZipManager 3.01.  Omnipage blows up at the end of a
>translation, ZM Just doesn't work. It give no error msg.
>
        ZipManager has been updated (with a name change) to D'Compress and is
supposed to work with 3.1.

Michael D. Gordon
gordonM@cc.denison.edu
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From:         "Todd III,Ermine" <TODD@GRIN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Sound cards
X-To:         jezsik@PX4.STFX.CA, win3-l@uicvm.BITNET

I would tend to agree w/ the evaluation of the Adlib Gold as being better
than the Sound Blaster Pro, but I would recommend that you look at the Pro
Audio Spectrum 16 board from Media Vision .. it is really the best.  I just
got back from Windows World/Spring Comdex and saw (heard) them all.

Hope this helps.

Ermine Todd III
Todd@ac.grin.edu

Usual disclaimer:  opinions and options expressed are my own and not
necessarily those of my employer or anyone else.  Unless specifically noted, I
am not affiliated with or associated with the products or companies mentioned
other than (hopefully) as a satisfied user.
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From: sdoran@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven Marcotte)
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Subject: Re: An incredible deal
Date: 7 Apr 1992 00:13:32 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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If that was an add in a magazine, wouldn't the post office have something
to say?  Something like mail fraud or something like that?

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:09:00 EDT
From:         Michael Gordon <GORDONM@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Winword 2.0a
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>
>The Winword add-on programs (Equation editor, etc), were installed
>with TrueType fonts this time, but the previously installed
>HP soft fonts were still installed on the disk and in WIN.INI. They
>have to be removed manually.
>
>You can use the Printers and Fonts sections on Control Panel
>to uninstall them from WIN.INI and to delete the files.  These fonts
>include MTEXTRA and FENCES.
         ^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^
I believe these are the new TrueType fonts which just had been installed, and
not the HP soft fonts which are to be deleted.

Michael D. Gordon
gordonM@cc.denison.edu
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:26:00 EDT
From:         Michael Gordon <GORDONM@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      3.1: the really important question

Let's forget about compatability issues, true type, sound, and get to the
nitty gritty, the question that will preoccupy those of us who got the WRK
and drive to distraction those wanting to leave the list, the REALLY IMPORTANT
question:
                What do we do with the decal?

Suggestions sent directly to me will be summarized for the list, though
obscene suggestions may be edited.

Michael D. Gordon
gordonM@cc.denison.edu
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:20:00 MDT
From:         MARCHIBOLD@MSCD.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Good place for a good deal on a hard drive?

John -
I would be interested in any information about hard drives which you
receive off list.  Thanks

Molly Archibold MARCHIBOLD@MSCD.BITNET
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 12:00:00 PDT
From:         TEIN@TWNAS886.BITNET
Subject:      TD on WIN 3.1 and newexe.exe on CICA

Hi folks,

I just saw a mail regarding TD under MS WIN 3.1.  I know there is a
file named TDWIN31.ZIP at /mirrors/msdos/borland on 128.252.135.4.
There is another TPWN31.ZIP as well.  Try it and tell me whether it
is what you want.

Several weeks ago, I downloaded a file, newexe.exe, from CICA.  It should
be located at "programmer" directory.  I love this program very
much.  It reveals more information than exehdr.exe does.  Try it as well.

Does anyone know how to add the message after mail content like following
my personel info?  Well. I add it every time manually.

+==================================================+
| Tein H. Yuan          |                          |
| Computing Centre      | Tel: 011-886-2-789-9247  |
| Academia Sinica       | FAX: 011-886-2-783-6444  |
| Taiwan, R.O.C.        |                          |
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:34:52 PDT
From:         b0506007@HP850S.NTU.EDU.TW
Subject:      ATM-1.15
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              <WIN3-L%UICVM.bitnet@TWNMOE10.EDU.TW>

Hello,

	I am going to upgrade my Windows 3.0 to Windows 3.1.
	I have Adobe Type Manager 1.15 and I don't know is
	it compatible with Windows 3.1 ?
	Could someone tell me about that ?

	Thank you so much.

	b0506007@hp850s.ntu.edu.tw
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:08:10 EST
From:         David Heck <O1DSH@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SIMTEL20 and other numbers
              9 Apr 1992 08:59:27 +0300 from <KARGRA@GBA930.ZAMG.AC.AT>

Does anyone know the internet address of NASA's Lewis Research Center
in Cleveland?  Specifically, the Space Electronics Division?

David
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:27:00 EST
From:         "VAXA::ANDY" <ANDY%VAXA.decnet@NPT.NUSC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      TRUETYPE FONTS - WHAT ARE THEY?
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Date sent:  7-APR-1992 13:26:35

Could somebody send me some brief information about the TRUETYPE fonts?  We are
looking to upgrading Windows at our company, but don't want to order the
TRUETYPE fonts if we don't need it.  Also I would like to know if these fonts
can be used with our currently existing software.

Currently we use these products with Windows heavily:

Micrographics Designer
Word Perfect for Windows
Word for Windows 2.0
PageMaker for Windows 4.0

What will the TRUETYPE fonts package do for these applications?  Any response
is appreciated.

Andy

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:51:00 EDT
From:         JOHNSOND@MOENG.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: WINDOWS NT and SX vs DX??????

Hello there,
        I've recently read a lot of mail concerning windows NT and was
wondering if somebody could tell me what is it.  You can write directly to
me at johnsond@moeng.towson.edu

thank you
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:44:58 PDT
From:         "Darryl G. Hosford" <dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Win 3.1 upgrade
X-To:         win3-l@uicvm.uic.edu

Since my upgrade in coming in the snail mail seems _so_ slow....
I thought I would ask a question in anticipation:

I have a lot of applications in my program manager, using a 600x800
trident video driver.  Will I have to rebuild my program manager, or will
the upgrade continue to use my old trident drivers for the conversion.

I FTP'd the new trident_win31.zip from  wuarchive.wustl.edu  and I am
wondering when I should replace my old video drivers.  Any help would
help my upgrade go smoother.

Thanks
Darryl Hosford		<dhosfor@atl.calstate.edu>
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:30:00 CST
From:         KARCZIR@AUDUCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Sample of all fonts?

Hi,
you could try FINFO and FONTSEE2 shareware programs, both can display
and print all or selected fonts. I havn't try them under 3.1 and with
TT fonts but it worked fine in 3.0 and ATM fonts. You can find them
at cica.cica.indiana.edu (if they are up and running) or at wuarchive.
wustl.edu in the /win3/fonts directories.
HTH and good luck.
Irek Karcz
PS.
I wonder what had happen to my three (at least) previous postings?
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:08:11 CDT
From:         Moore <moore@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Windows Apps... (er, digests)
X-To:         WIN3-L%UICVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
              7, 92 2:11 pm

>    The ideal would be separate lists for each Windows application. For
> example, there is a list for WP4W. These lists would platform independent,
> and provide a forum for passing along bugs and fixes for the problems
> which might be platform related. Until then, this and the new OS/2 list
> seem to be the only way to distribute such information.

There's more to it than that:  if you want a digest format you'd need somebody
to serve as editor, and an edited digest takes *much* longer to distribute than
this free-for-all we've been enjoying.  Speaking of which, I'd hate to join an
Excel forum, a WFW forum, a VB forum, and a Win3.1 forum, and then deal with 4x
the current amount of fluff messages (eg., "thanks bob," "what a good joke,"
"john's such a smart guy," "ups is better than fedex," ad nauseum).

Not to mention having to deal with non-DOS machine fanatics.  Look at this
group:  we got religious wars right now over two OSs for the same machine!

--
Jim (moore@email.ncsc.navy.mil)
A record budget deficit every year, and people complain about a bunch of
bounced personal checks.  Duh.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:46:57 CDT
From:         demezam@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU
Subject:      Re: Mouse Problems
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>I too have the mouse problem.  I have logitech mouse (I think the
>newestr kind) and the mouse driver is the one supplied in win 3.1
>(ver.6.20).  The mouse pointer jumps around suddenly without any
>reasons...  The getting startted manual says it is the interrupt
>confilicts.  But what I have in my config.sys is HIMEM, EMM386, ANSI,
>STACKER.  Does anybody has idea?

I've never had this problem on my IBM mouse, but this happens frequently
on my Macintosh mouse.  Taking the mouse apart and cleaning it solves
the problem.


Mary Jo deMeza
Academic Computing Services
UW-Whitewater, McGraw Hall         Phone:  (414) 472-3215
Whitewater, WI  53190              Internet: demezam@uwwvax.uww.edu
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:39:00 GMT
From:         "Thomas A. Cawley, Jr." <0003991462@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: EXCEL UPDATE
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              <WIN3-L%UICVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Does anyone know the approximate cost of upgrading from Excel 3.0 to Excel 4.0?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tom Cawley, Jr.                                  FAX: 215-448-1982
Hahnemann University School of Medicine
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:12:00 CST
From:         KARCZIR@AUDUCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      PCSOUND & ARCHIE

Hi everybody,
I am also trying to locate someone willing to share the PCSOUND.DRV, the knowleg
   e of how to access ARCHIE using Bitnet and the final question is regarding
the registration card which simply wasn't in my 3.1 upgrade, I wonder
if it is just me or maybe some other folks have the same problem.
TIA Irek Karcz
karczir@auducvax
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:41:00 EDT
From:         ERIC WEBB <EWZ@NCCIBM1.BITNET>
Subject:      I hope the last deal

> maybe I won't tell you that he is half of the Penn & Teller comedy/magic
> team....  Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor any more?  Didn't your
> daddy tell you that if something sounds to good to be true ($20K for $1K)
> then it probably isn't?

  I have a good sense of humor. My daddy also taught me not to insult
people, and to stand up for myself when insulted. The message on the
recorder apparently offended lots of folks. But that is not the real
issue.

  This was NOT a practical joke. It was an attempt at self promotion by
the author. A lot of us fell into the trap of helping to spread his
name over the Internet. He new exactly what he was doing, and it wasn't
a prank. I suggest we discontinue assisting him with his ulterior motive.

Regards,
Eric Webb
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:04:11 CDT
From:         "Todd III,Ermine" <TODD@GRIN1.BITNET>
Subject:      32-bit Disk Accesses
X-To:         moore@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL, win3-l@uicvm.BITNET

The 32-bit (fastdisk) access is for all disk i/o when running windows in the
enhanced mode.

As has been noted, this is for only selected harddrives/controller
combinations.  Currently this means WD compatible controllers.

Hope this helps.

Ermine Todd III
Todd@ac.grin.edu
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Subject:      Re: Reply to "Re: Is this list for OS/2 as well?" (04/03/92
              17:44:40)
              A

>
>
> Louis Jezsik says:
>
> >I signed up for WIN3-L, not generic windowing operating system list.
>  ...
> >How about keeping this list for WIN3 concerns
>
> Yes, but WIN3 concerns now look like they incorporate running WIN3 Apps
> in the MS-WINDOWS and OS/2 environments.  So, they are both WIN3 systems.
>
        How about generating a new mailing list where we will talking about
the subjects alloued in this mailing list .... :-)

                                George...
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:09:00 MDT
From:         hvlpx!mdbois@IHLPB.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Pigged off Microsoft User!
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              <WIN3-L%UICVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

        The same accounts for the netherlands (prices being much
        higher, that is; if they changed the '$' in 'Fl', I would
        be shouting for joy !). The price here is about $90

        Second: we don't get it untill next week !!!!!

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:46:58 EST
From:         Stephen McCloud <CCSDM@CCLAN.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: [dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU: Win 3.1 upgrade]
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There are new Trident drivers for Windows 3.1. Labeled as Rel 1.0
BETA Mar 92. Since cica is down I don't have any place to put them.

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:35:16 +0300
From:         KARGRA@GBA930.ZAMG.AC.AT
Subject:      speed of macs
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HI folks,
I'm not quite shure if the opinion of a mac-user about the speed of an OS is so
reliable. The way I saw macs running never made jump. running on an 68020 these
machines use quite a lot of power for their GUI too. I allways thought they are
soooo fast. Sorry to write that, I don't want and will not discuss it any longer
JMO, Alfred (Just My Opinion)
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: 3.1 *AND* 3.0 on same machine
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 20:37:03 GMT

derek@AIVRU.SHEF.AC.UK (Derek Jones) writes:
> Anyone done this? Is it possible?
> How to keep things separate? Can they use the same swapfile?
> stuff like that......8-)

Here's what we did, while we were beta testing 3.1 (and not so confident
about the stability yet).  What this assumes is that your Windows
directory is called c:\windows; adjust instrctions as required if yours
is called something different.

  - PKZip -Pr your current 3.0 directory (c:\windows) into a safe place.
    Remove the contents of c:\windows.
  - Install 3.1 into the now-empty c:\windows.
  - PKUnzip -d the Windows 3.0 zipfile into c:\win30

All right, so after this your path points to the new 3.1 in c:\windows.
Next, copy the updated smartdrv.exe, himem.sys and emm386.exe into the
c:\win30 directory (you'll want to use these even with 3.0).

Now, what you need are two batch files.  Each of these is deceptively simple,
but requires an extension to DOS: the mv command.  This command lets you
move (rename) files AND directories, and thus lets us get away with this
trick:
    
    switch31.bat
	@echo off
	mv c:\windows c:\win30
	mv c:\win31 c:\windows
    
    switch30.bat
	@echo off
	mv c:\windows c:\win31
	mv c:\win30 c:\windows

Now, to switch between versions, you don't need to mess with your paths,
your environment variables, or anything -- just run switch3[01]!

CAVEATS: This advice is guaranteed for the price you paid for it: NOTHING.
	 This method works for us, but your mileage may vary.
	 Windows 3.0 will produce a "corrupt swapfile" warning -- just
	 ignore it and 3.0 will happily use a temporary swapfile.

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