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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: East Bay Hotels (Was: Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:31:18 GMT

In article <1a7v3rINNm6g@agate.berkeley.edu>, c60b-2hz@web-2a.berkeley.edu (Nathaniel Meyers) writes:
> In article <5189@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
> 
> >>	If I were looking, I'd call the best hotels in the area ...
> >
> >You obviously haven't tried to get a room in a "good" hotel in the East
> >Bay :-)
> >
> >There aren't any.
> 
> There aren't any rooms or there aren't any good hotels.  I don't need a
> room. Just a nice overpriced pot of tea, small finger sandwiches and a
> pleasant atmosphere to consume them in. As for good hotels I believe
> the Shattuck and the Claremont qualify.  (Although I can't say much 
> for their rooms.  In fact I can't say anything at all.) Neither of these
> places serve tea although the Shattuck is supposed to have a fabulous
> restaurant.

     Sorry, I don't partake in the tea tradition, so I've no opinions
on the matter.  Hotels, however, are a different matter.  Jordan's
on the mark, here.  The East Bay doesn't have any really good hotels.

    I've stayed at the Shattuck for weeks.  Apparently, they've a wide
range of rooms, and the experience varies according to which room you
get.  My room was quite small.  The furnishings were very nice, not the
sort of generic Holiday Inn plastiwood stuff American motels tend to
favor.  Still, let me tell you, I was glad to find my own place.

    More to the point of this group, the Shattuck's gone through a
series of restaurants.  When I moved out here 3.5 years ago, it had
just closed the Dakota Bar and Grill and opened the Sedona.  The
Sedona served Southwest cuisine which I loved.  I'd never tasted the
genre before, and found roasted fish garnished with slices of hot
peppers, nacho salads, and roast quail delectable.  Prices were
fairly high, but what do you expect of a hotel restaurant?

    Alas, the Sedona closed a year or two ago, and the Shattuck just
made do with bar sandwiches.  Recently, they finally opened a new
restaurant, called simply, The Dining Room.  I've yet to try it, so
if you have, please post your impressions.

     Now, on to the Claremont.  I've never personally stayed there,
but all our clients who've stayed at both much prefer the Claremont
to the Shattuck.  With regard to food, I prefer the Shattuck.  The
Claremont has a rather expensive buffet for lunch, which while okay
for a buffet, is really not that good and ridiculously priced.  The
only reason I can imagine I'd return is for the view.  The panoramic
vista seen from the dining room is as good as it gets.

						George

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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:04:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.155129.22933@ads.com>, charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
> 
> Hey, don't knock South Dakota; at least there's a place *there* to get
> afternoon tea:  Elizabeth's (if memory serves) in Rapid City.  Nice
> English lady, real clotted cream, say "hi" for me.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Where does she get the clotted cream!?!?!?  Yes, I know, it's
unlikely to help me if her source is in South Dakota, but if she
makes her own, then maybe . . .

							George

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From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Cheap/Good Vegetarian
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:57:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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  I am relatively new to the bay area and would like some
opinions on cheap  $6 or less  vegetarian restaurant
using good quality vegetables, etc., can be chinese
style or whatever in th
in the San Francisco area.   thanks.


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From: mdk1@netcom.com (Mark Kaplanoff)
Subject: Re: Cheap/Good Vegetarian
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:30:50 GMT

In article <1aeeh0INN24d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>  I am relatively new to the bay area and would like some
>opinions on cheap  $6 or less  vegetarian restaurant
>using good quality vegetables, etc., can be chinese
>style or whatever in th
>in the San Francisco area.   thanks.
>
>
There is quite a good Chinese restaurant with a good vegetarian
menu on Clement Street a block or two east of Park Presidio
(approximately at 10th or 11th Avenue) on the south side of Clement
Street.  I've forgotten its exact name, but I think it is something
like the `Red Crane'.  In any case, it's easy to find, and the
food is delicious and inexpensive.
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Don't Patronize Triple Rock BrewPub, Berkeley, Calif
Date: 29 Sep 1992 01:35:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: ba
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brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom) writes:
>
> [ account of slimy behavior on the part of triple rock deleted ]

In addition to the above, their beer is lousy.  It's the
worst example of gassy, overhopped, underbrewed California
ale (that kind that makes you feel bloated after just one 
pint) you're likely to encounter.

Steve
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Cheap/Good Vegetarian Rest Wanted
Date: 1 Oct 1992 09:05:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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   I am relatively new to the bay area, have been to most of
 the cheaper places in Berkeley, but am interested in
 bargain vegetarian, chinese, or similar style (not sushi)
 using good quality vegetables, no msg, etc for
 the S.F. area, preferably metro area.
 Perhaps complete meal for about $5 give or take a little.
 I have heard of the Lotus in s.f.
 Any opinions on this restaurant or others in s.f. most
 welcome.  thanks.   mike


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From: wanday@wandaful.Corp.Sun.COM (Wanda Y. Wong, Corp. Consolidations, x67827)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Where is We Be Sushi?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: wanday@wandaful.Corp.Sun.COM
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Hi All,

After reading all of the articles on Japanese food and We Be Sushi, my
hubby and I decided to go and try it out but we couldn't find it.  Isn't
it located near Remington and El Camino?  Anybody out there have the
address?

Thanks for your help!

Wanda
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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Crumpet (was Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area)
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.175538.3449@PacBell.COM> sslok@srv.PacBell.COM (Sam Lok) writes:
>
>As long as we are talking about "afternoon tea".  How about crumpet?
>Where can I find those yummy crumpets, fresh not fronzen?

The English Rose Restaurant on Laurel, in San Carlos.  Marilyn may sell
them to take-away, I don't know.  She *does* sell the definitive crumpet
topping:  lemon curd.

Mail order:  Wolferman's sells them, as well as English muffins and other
breads.  I don't like them as well as freshly-made crumpets, though.

You can also try shops that carry British foods, like London House in
Palo Alto and the British Market in Los Altos.

Charleen
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Don't Patronize Triple Rock BrewPub, Berkeley, Calif
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:52:15 GMT
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spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:

( tale of Triple Rock Brewery's stupidity and insensitivity omitted )

>In addition to the above, their beer is lousy.  It's the
>worst example of gassy, overhopped, underbrewed California
>ale (that kind that makes you feel bloated after just one 
>pint) you're likely to encounter.

There's a real simple solution to this. Brew your own beer.

It's about as hard as baking a Betty Crocker cake.

	ingredients	cake mix		homebrew
			========		========

			cake mix		powdered malt
			oil			hops
			egg			yeast
			water			water

-- richard

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From: HF.MMX@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marilee Marshall)
Subject: Re: Need quickly: brewer's yeast
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:23:02 GMT

You might give the Brewmaster (in San Leandro off Marina Blvd.) a
call to see if they're open.  Also,Williams Brew Supply (San
Leandro, around the corner from Brewmaster), sells only
mailorder.  He get's the stuff to us by the next day... really fast.
Call information for the number, and I'll bet your friend will have
the goods tomorrow.  By the way, his selection is extensive, and
priced well.  Good luck.

My husband had a similar problem with an "old" yeast that evidently
had passed away.  Didn't get the replacement yeast for 2-3 weeks.
In the long-run he figures he also got a "side strain" going, and
figured he lost the batch.... however, it has turned out to be one
of his better efforts... delicious!  Don't despair.
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: BEST BAY AREA BAR_B_QUE
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:10:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1aq1ecINNsv@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>In article <67056@cup.portal.com> gore@cup.portal.com (M - Gore) writes:
>>This is the best bar b que Ive had since I left texas 10 years ago.
>>CENTRAL TEXAS BAR B QUE is fantastic. Saw dust on the floor,real texans
>>from central Texas. In the heart of Castroville. Really SMOKED not boiled.
>>If you like Bar B Que. You'll love this place
>
>All true.  However, what they *don't* tell you is that the place is 
>very small.  You may have to wait a bit for a table or take it out, 
>
>BUT IT WILL BE WORTH IT.
>
Don's building a bigger place than the current one so it will accomodate
a lot more - I say it's still the best BBQ around (of course I live just
up the road from it so I don't have a long drive) - in addition to take-out,
Don will cater a party...



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From: sslok@srv.PacBell.COM (Sam Lok)
Subject: Crumpet (was Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:55:38 GMT


As long as we are talking about "afternoon tea".  How about crumpet?
Where can I find those yummy crumpets, fresh not fronzen?


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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:48:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
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>>> Nice English lady, real clotted cream, say "hi" for me.
>>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>A local farmer makes it for her, using the same method that Devonshire
>farms do ... 

The real stuff, in other words?

I remember being in England, and noticing a health/natural
foods store (!) proudly selling "triple Cornwall clotted cream".

That's my definition of "good" cholesterol....healthy, natural
and only about 2000 calories per teaspoon.

Anywhere to buy clotted cream in the Bay Area?

Steve
From: aruna@sybase.com (Aruna Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: ba.food,sybhq.atrium
Subject: Anybody know where I can find sugar free candy?
Date: 25 Sep 92 22:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: aruna@sybase.com (Aruna Mahadevan)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


Hi,

I am looking for a "sugar-free" candy for diabetics.  Anyone know of a
place where I can get those in the Bay Area?

Thanks,
Aruna

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From: kxbehni@srv.PacBell.COM (Keyvan Behnia)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Chinese Crab
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: kxbehni@srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific Bel

A new find. Imperial Garden at 1556 Noriega in SF. Open for only a couple of months. This was recommended to me by a Taiwanese co-worker whose parents live in the city and he often eats out with them during the weekends. He always likes the look on my face when I make him write down what
 to order in chinese while salivating.  

The place is very clean and stylish in the hap hazzard way of the new "Flower Lounge
Wanna Bes". But what I went there for was not the decor, it was a strong
recommendation for their speciality which is crab. What I had was out of this world. I
picked Spicy Pepper Crab ($11) which was a pot full of one mean looking, muscle building
fellow. It was simply the best way I had ever had crab. Not much broth in the pot, the shell
was also covered by a very think brownish paste which probably came from a quick spin in a
wok or an oven. There was plenty of garlic, some ginger and dry peppers involved. If you like
crab you should try this place. I mean I was licking the shells because the sauce was so good.

I also had the good old Salt and Pepper Shelled Prawns which are a great starter and always
have amazed me for being so cheap at chinese seafood joints. The prices are in the $6 to $8
range with the clients mostly upscale asian families of sunset district. I would stick to
the seafood cuz that is their speciality.

Keyvan
From: mtoy@mycool.asd.sgi.com (Michael Toy)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: BBQ ratings, ribs vs. briskett (was Central Texas BBQ, Castroville)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:06:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
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In article <12642@optilink.UUCP> brad@optilink.UUCP (Brad Yearwood) writes:
>One problem is this idiotic west coast insistence on benchmarking BBQ quality
>by comparing ribs.

I absolutely agree.  I used to go an BBQ quests with a couple of
friends who has plenty of Texas BBQ experience.  I could never
understand their insistence on finding "brisket" which is something I
had only heard of in relationship to corned beef.  "Why would they
want that when the could have ribs?"  I thought to myself.

Then I went to Texas.  After eating there, I have also chosen brisket
as my standard by which I judge BBQ.  The lovely thing about brisket
is that it is so tough that if you don't cook it for many many hours,
it won't be edible.  This makes brisket a great benchmark for BBQ.
Places like Armadillo Willy's use more tender meats and cook them for
less time.  A "real" BBQ place cooks their stuff a lllooonnggg
ttttiimmmee.  Real, long cooked, smoky flavored brisket is an
incredible food.  And, at a place which knows how to do brisket, you
will usually also find wonderful smoky ribs.

Unfortunately, as many have lamented, nothing out here is good enough.
Central Texas BBQ is close, and I would probably eat there often if it
were closer.  So far its the best, but it would probably rate as only
an average BBQ place in a land where there were many to choose from.
From: sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: need the scoop on Adriatic
Summary: One person's Adriatic scoop
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:12:48 GMT
Distribution: ba

In article <1992Sep30.033337.29810@netcom.com>, cathym@netcom.com (Cathy Maksymiuk) writes:
> I am planning an anniversary dinner for Saturday night, and I
> was thinking of going to the Adriatic, mainly because it 
> sounded like the dressiest of all the ones in the Metro, and
> I want to wear my (informal) wedding dress. I know I've seen
> the Adriatic mentioned here, so I was hoping someone could
> answer a few questions:
> 
> How much in advance does one typically have to make reservations?
> 
> Is there normal food on the menu? (I don't want to have to choose
> between sweetbreads and brains!)
> 
> Is it as dressy as the Metro implied?
> 

I wouldn't call the Adriatic "dressy." In fact, of all the "continental"
restaurants on restaurant row in Saratoga, it's probably the least
dressy. That's one of the things that many people (including me!) like about 
it! The emphasis is on the food. If you want someplace dressier, I'd try 
Mere Michelle. I find it somewhat more stuffy than the Adriatic -- but
then one of the things I love about California is that there are very
few restaurants that require you to "dress up."  Mere Michelle's probably
one of them.

Reservations depend on the night. For a weeknight, you can call that day;
week-ends would require more time -- I'd call on Wednesday or Thursday
to reserve for Saturday.

As for food, there are probably very few restaurants that would require
you to choose between sweetbreads and brains! (Tho' don't knock either
till you've tried them.)

Peggy Sweeney
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Review: Tied House
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:45:09 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) wrote: 
->1.  I had fish 'n chips out of starvation-induced desperation.
->    The chips were cold, and the fish was so soaked with grease that I
->got a bunch of extra napkins, wiped off the batter, and pressed the
->fish until they became dry enough to be considered edible.

i would have sent them back.  

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From: berry@athos.pei.com (Berry Kercheval)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: need the scoop on Adriatic
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:38:07 GMT
Reply-To: berry@pei.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Protocol Engines, Inc., Mt. View, California

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 03:33:37 GMT, cathym@netcom.com (Cathy Maksymiuk) said:

Cathy> On fancy restaurants in general: 

Cathy> I've seen separate lines on the bill for tipping the "captain" and
Cathy> the "waiter(s)". Is the "captain" the head of the waiters? What's
Cathy> the tipping guideline for each?


Here's one of my pet peeves.  In my opinion, this practice is a snobbish
and offensive attempt to transplant "refined" European customs to
here.  

I go to a restaurant in order to pay money to be served a meal.  I do
not need or want to know the internal organization of the restaurant:
who bosses who, who my waiter is, who his boss is, what the
relationships between the host, maitre d'hotel, captain, sommelier,
waiter and busboy are or who the hatcheck girl sleeps with.  It is
none of my business.

I leave a tip and leave it to the staff to partition it appropriately.

Now, it is true that in other countries the custom differs, but this
practice has no place in the U.S.A.


Back to your regularly scheduled restaurant review, already in
progress...

  --berry
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From: malcolm@grenada.ign.island.COM (Malcolm Blanchard)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Sonoma Mission Inn
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:43:31 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Island Graphics, Santa Rosa, California

jbrdc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (David C. Brock) writes:

>Hi all.
>My wife and I are going to spend a little time at the Sonoma Mission
>Inn.
>...
>Plan two is to taxi or courtesy car or whatever to a restaurant not
>too far away.  Suggestions? 

I live in Glen Ellen, a few miles north of S.M.I., so consider me a
local.  My favorite restaraunt in the area is the Kenwood Restaurant
on highway 12 just south of Kenwood (~5 miles north of S.M.I.).  It's
a Wine-Country/California Cuisine sort of place, moderately-to-expensively
priced.

Glen Ellen sports a couple of good restaurants: Adameo's (sp?) is the
latest attempt to establish a restaurant in the Grist Mill on Arnold Dr.
south of Glen Ellen.  I've not eaten there, but have heard good reviews.
It's a yuppie Italian type of place in an authentic old grist mill.  In
"downtown" Glen Ellen there is the Creekside, Glen Ellen Inn, Cafe Trax
and Miel's.  When the Creekside was the London Lodge, the food was
terrible.  I haven't eaten there recently, but the reviews of the new
management/chef are good.  The Glen Ellen Inn is a tiny place where the
kitchen and chef are behind a counter right next to your table.  Great
if you're a foodie and want to chat it up.  They serve California Cuisine.
Cafe Trax is a reasonable cafe sort of place, good for Sunday brunch
(although the locals tend to have Sunday brunch at the Garden Cafe out
on highway 12).  Miel's is a French restaurant newly openned to mixed
reviews.

The town of Sonoma has quite a few good restaurants located around the
plaza.  I'm not sufficiently knowledgable about the current mix, so I'll
leave the reviews to someone else.

In case you don't know, S.M.I. is located smack-dab in the middle of the
lowest economic/highest crime area in Sonoma Valley (but still not
dangerous by big city standards).  So, walking down the street to find
a good local eatery isn't recommended.

-Malcolm Blanchard
malcolm@island.com
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Review: Tied House
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:54:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <96N=03Jia0P700@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nxn@uts.amdahl.com (David J. Nixon) writes:
>
>While I haven't sampled Tied House (maybe real soon now),
>greasy fish and chips are authentic and traditional.
>Smother with malt vinegar (or lemon juice) to cut the grease.
>Remember this stuff is from the UK where it's cold and wet all
>the time and food is designed to stick to the ribs.
 
He's right. This isn't supposed to be tempura. Some of us *like*
our fish & chips greasy, with gallons of vinegar and lashings of
salt. Along with a pint of ale, heaven. Perhaps the next day, 
due to myocardial infarction :-)
 
Quoth Andy M. Stewart "We're from Scotland, the last country on
earth where cigarettes and fried breakfasts are still good for
you. It's a hard place to leave."
 
Greg
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