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From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: U.S. geography
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:39:32 GMT

Here in Nebraska we have the obligatory Gothenburg.  There is also
Malmo, pronounced Mal-moe, which is not far from Prague, pronounced
Prayg.  Just down the road is Bruno, which is in the next county, so
they don't have to split the county in two to stay in harmony with the
folks in the old country (countries).  Passing through the Slavic lands,
we return to Scandinavia with Stromsburg and on to Dannebrog, pronounced 
Dan-a-brawg.  Up North there is Wausa.  There is also a town called 
Lorton, but I don't think there is a Scandinavian connection -- at least 
I hope not!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: What will happen after Gro?
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:07:07 GMT

In article <etxmow.721398252@garboc34>, etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>     Gro Harlem Brundtland has resigned as leader for the Social
|>     Democrats in Norway, but is still prime minister. Will the change
|>     affect Norway's policy towards EU and the rest of Europe? Any
|>     Norwegians out there who care to eloberate on that?
|> 
|>     Mats W.
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I don't think there will be any change in the politics of the norwegian
(royal) socialdemocratic party. I think Gro will decide their policy
still.


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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: M.A. Numminen (was: Assimilation of the Finns in Northern-Sweden)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:21:46 GMT

torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:

>F|r m}nga av oss {r visserligen M.A.Numminen o|vertr{ffad
>som uttolkare av den finska (och europeiska!) visskatten

(N, nu byter vi allt sprk)

Judging by the great compilation CD "Den Eviga rgngen", he's also an
excellent interpreter of American jazz. The versions of e.g. "Caravan"
and "Four Brothers" have to be heard to be believed.

Furthermore, his interpretations of the works of Ludwig Wittgenstein of course
remain unbeaten to this day. They can all be found on the "The Tractatus Suite"
album on which M.A. sings in just about any language under the sun -
from tvngssvenska to first order predicate calculus. This is of course in
full accordance with the subject of the songs. Very conceptual, that.

Speaking of his Wittgenstein stuff: one of the tracks, "Wovon Mann Nicht
Sprechen Kann" - also included on the compilation - was apparently recorded
live at Turku University. From the recording location and the sound I
seriously suspect that our M.A. was at the time backed by no other combo
than the infamous Axelbandet. True/false?

-- 
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lvsj, Sweden				Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
	"Frnsett att det inte fungerar, hur tycker ni att det verkar?"
From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:29:33 GMT
	<ksand-101192180814@wintermute.apple.com>
	<WALVER.92Nov12071717@kielo.uta.fi> <TORKEL.92Nov12095026@isis.sics.se>
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland
In-reply-to: torkel@sics.se's message of 12 Nov 92 08:50:26 GMT


) Furthermore, it's kind of strange that the Swedish-speaking
) people always get on defensive when the language-eduaction in
) Finland is discussed. Why do you care?

Torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes in soc.culture.nordic:

> I doubt that many Swedish-speaking people in Sweden - as opposed
> to Finland - care about this at all. If they get defensive, it's
> probably because you sound aggressive.

        Well, you responded to this message even though you're located
        in Sweden.

        I'm just throughly fed up with this subject. Non-selective
        studies in Finland are fortunately behind me by now, however,
        forced teaching of particulary Swedish _just doesn't make any
        sense_. As I stated in my previous posting, I think it would be
        a very good idea to have mandatory languages in Finnish
        elementary/High Schools (otherwise the Finns would be totally
        isolated from the rest of the world :-), but they should be
        absolutely selectable.

        The fact that makes the current situation so ridiculous is the
        fact that both of the language groups, Finnish and
        Swedish/Norwegian/Danish, are very small. And also the fact that
        mandatory Swedish teaching in the Finnish High Schools dates
        back to the Swedish reign; of course (S)RKP and other executive
        powers with Swedish background add up to it by restricting, or
        at least slowing down the progress.

        -- Willy
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From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: To all the Finns out there...
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland
In-reply-to: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE's message of 10 Nov 92 20:17:53 GMT


tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes in soc.culture.nordic:

> The King of Sweden is *MUCH* smarter than the King of Finland, no
> matter what J*rmo Ryyti says!

        It is possible; Finland doesn't have a king - or at least didn't
        have last summer when I was last there :-)

        -- Willy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nindola@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:06:43 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Nov4182320@lludd.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
> In article <ISAC.92Nov4174551@rieska.oulu.fi> isac@rieska.oulu.fi
>  (Juha Iisakka) writes:
> 
>    >Your opinion is sophistical. If you ask swedish-speaking
>    >person in Finland whether he/she is a Finn or a Swede, 
>    >what he/she will answer?
> 
>   I haven't the faintest idea. But then, I don't spout off about the sad
> oppression of "the Swedes in Finland". I suggest that those who do so about
> "the Finns in Tornedalen" ask those people first if they are Finns.

Who cares if they are "Finns" or not? If you ask me if I'm a Swede
I'd certainly answer no because Swede for me has something to do
with Sweden as a country. My native language is Swedish yes, but I'm
no Swede. That's why I think the only thing important with the tornedal
guys is if they speak a language of their own or not, not what they
may be called as a group.

Niklas Indola, a finlandssvensk on the Svenska dagen in Finland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:15:14 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Nov6.140437.25652@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
wrote:
> : Given your kind of reasoning, I am beginning to understand how a
> : Yugoslavian situation can develop!
> 
> So let us help Sweden's Finns to get human treatment, it is against no one's
> priviledgies.

So I assume the Swedes are then chasing out Finns from Sodertalje
and similar places towards the Finnish border (as in Yugoslavia
today). Then I agree, let us help these 'Finns' to get human treatment.

Meanwhile I do think that this all is very much exaggerated. I do know 
of Finnish families that moved back to Finland from Sweden because
they felt that their children should grow up in a Finnish society. 
Nothing hinders Finns in Sweden to do the same. If they enjoy
Sweden more it certainly shows that there's more than human misery
involved in the reason why they stay there.

You know, I'm placing my 18 month old boy in pre-school here in USA
next week. And sigh, they will speak *English* over there...


Kent
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Aaland and Finnish Independence
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:15:27 GMT

In article <minow-051192122950@minow.apple.com>, minow@apple.com (Martin Minow) writes:
|> 
|> It is my understanding that the Norwegian border with the Soviet Union came
|> about as part of changes in the Finland-Russian border after World War II.
|> 
|> Note that Norway was an ally of the Soviet Union during World War II. As
|> part of NATO (or whatever preceeded it in the late 1940's), any attempt


Norway became a member of NATO in 1948 (I think).

The (Soviet-)communist party in Norway was very strong after World War
II, Norway had common border with the Soviet Union (at least) from
the end of World War II, AND (as stated before) the Soviet army was
fighting the German army inside Norway, AND there were lots of war
prisoners from Soviet in German camps in Norway, AND .....


|> of the Soviet Union to occupy Norway directly after the war would quite
|> possibly have led to nuclear war (with only one side having the bomb at
|> that time).
|> 
|> > Don't misunderstand me - I did not love the Soviet system - I'm only
|> > tired of all this stupid USA propaganda.
|> 
|> Thanks for the smile - it made my day.


(-:     :-)


|> 
|> Martin Minow
|> minow@apple.com
|> 
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From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: About AAland
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:16:46 GMT

ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
>I think this was the case, Swedes didn't want to create a crisis by
>taking over Aalan from Finns just after WW1.

Sweden did occupy Ahvenanmaa in December 1917 (OK, WW 1 was still
going strong so technically your claim is true :-). Germans took the
islands in spring (March?) 1918, and ceded them to Finland later in
the same year.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:13:37 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov5.200441.4605@kth.se> d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:
>	* 	THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST SPEAKING FINNISH IN SWEDEN	*

  Likewise, it is perfectly legal to print papers, send radio, put up flyers,
hold meetings, publish books, shoot pictures, program computers, and so on
and so on in any and all languages, real or imagined.
  
  Listen up, 'murricans:
  **You do not have to speak Swedish to become a citizen of Sweden**

  I'm frankly uncertain whether Swedish even *has* an official language defined
by law. It is possible that it is just the force of tradition that makes it
the common language.

>/Arthur

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Finns and Swedes and soc.culture.nordic
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 09:58:42 GMT

In article <ksand-061192222739@wintermute.apple.com>, ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
|> 
|> Hello, I guess some people think that Finns and Swedes are constantly
|> fighting each other in the Nordic countries due to ethnical problems 
|> in both countries.
|> 
|> I must just state that I was born in Finland, raised and educated in
|> both languages, and I have lived in Stockholm/Sweden for 4 years 
|> (actually I still have the apartment in Sundbyberg :-) ).


Yeah, and why did you move away from Sweden ? I'm pretty sure you moved
because you were discriminated and opressed by the evil swedes ! Even
if you don't know it yourself !


|> 
|> And yes, there are issues. However Finland and Sweden are very quite
|> and nice parts of this violent world, and you could walk around 
|> five in the morning in the middle of Helsinki and speak Swedish
|> without getting killed by an angry mob of Finns. And vice versa.


Oh yeah ? That's no proof. Just look at Olof Palme. He was shot at the
street in the evening, prpbably by a swede who was so blind from hate
against the finns that he thougt the person in front of him was a finn
(or finlendare, as he probably would call him).


|> 
|> It is fruitful to raise issues dealing with the Finns that emigrated
|> to Sweden, and the Swedish speaking minority living in Finland. However
|> just speaking from my own experience these issues will always be 
|> present because people are people, and there will always be those
|> that feel their rights have been violated. I'm proud because due
|> to my background I've had a possibility to experience both cultures.
|> 
|> So instead of complaining, can't we shake hands, and instead talk about
|> why Sweden and Finland have one of the best social welfare systems in
|> the world? And will they have them left five years from now?
|> 
|> Cheers,
|> Kent
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Don't try it !


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:05:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.144457.16246@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

>In article <BxJqrr.xK@news.chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>|> 
>|> In article <1992Nov10.192517.2230@cs.hut.fi> ovr@snakemail.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:
>|> >Maybe he had to eat too many swedes as a child and then later mixed
>|> >the two.
>|> 
>|>   The world is fortunate that there isn't a country called
>|> "Broccoli".
>|> 
>|> >ovr@snakemail.hut.fi
>|> 
>|> -bertil-
>--


>What is a swede (apart from a person from Sweden) ?

It is a vegetable called "kaalrot" in the Scandinavian languages.
It tastes the same but is supposedly a little different from
"kaalrabi" which Norwegians like to eat. The original English name was 
supposedly "Swedish turnip".

Rolf Manne
a Swede
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Safety on the streets
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.095842.12568@ugle.unit.no>, jafitv@termo (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>Oh yeah ? That's no proof. Just look at Olof Palme. He was shot at the
>street in the evening, prpbably by a swede who was so blind from hate
>against the finns that he thougt the person in front of him was a finn
>(or finlendare, as he probably would call him).

By the way, have the security measures been stepped up in Sweden after
Palme's killing?

We were walking in Helsinki today evening and happened to walk past
Presidentinlinna - Manu also apparently thought it was a good weather
for a walk, came out and started following us.  He kept a good pace
and reached us and went past.  We had the same travel over to
Mannerheimintie - he just walked there like anyone else, though with
two companions following.

//Jyrki
From: olle@solaris.astro.uu.se (Olof Morell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 10:57:39 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solaris.astro.uu.se

In article <1992Nov5.084507.28969@dde.dk>, ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering) writes:
|> andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:
|> 
|> >Well, since neither Sweden nor any other European country participated
|> >in the US presidential election, ....
|> 
|> Well, we should, shouldn't we? After all, the outcome of a presidential
|> election in the USA has some influence on us in Europe. Wouldn't it be
|> fair if we were all given, for example, one tenth of a vote? :-)

I haven't followed this thread before, so I'm sorry if i repeat anything,
but since the US has decided that US law is valid everywhere in the
world, and the may go and collect all offenders with their army,
I certainly think we all should have a full (100%) vote. :-(

*** Olle ***
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re: Finns and Swedes and soc.culture.nordic
Reply-To: toftner@teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:12:41 GMT


>So instead of complaining, can't we shake hands, and instead talk about
>why Sweden and Finland have one of the best social welfare systems in
>the world? And will they have them left five years from now?


Kent,

It was a good try,  and thanks for the explanation.  As an American of 
Norwegian descent, I did not understand what all the accusations and
counter-accusations were about.

Liv Toftner

toftner@teradyne.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kimmel@cortex.sai.vtt.fi     (Jyrki Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland (VTT/SAI)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:47:30 GMT


>But then it would be an even better idea to learn Jarmo how to
>set the distribution to fi. only :-) Then all other of us will
>benefit to never see Jarmo's writings at all:-) Could maybe
>someone set an autodistribution for Jarmo to fi. for all his
>ramblings for ever? So he never will be seen outside Finland
>anymore. That would be the best thing that has happened to the
>whole world up until now!

It doesn't really matter. This works for me:

<ctrl-K>

(gets you to your default editor)

/ryyti@/h:j

<whatever it takes you to exit from your editor>

(back to reading more news)

It's so quiet here... Now if only people would ignore Jarmo's 
articles, I would not even have to read the follow-ups.

Jyrki


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,alt.sources.wanted,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork
From: ruck@zeta.ee.ufl.edu (John R Ruckstuhl Jr)
Subject: English text to Swedish accented English text program wanted
Organization: EE Dept at UF
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:16:53 GMT

I've got an immediate need for a program which I believe I've seen 
posted to Usenet:
It takes English text and transforms it to a English text with a Swedish
accent.
It's funny to some of us.

If you have it, and it's small, would you please email it to me --
if it's large, please tell me where I can find it.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards,
ruck
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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Gothenburg is gone!
Date: 3 Nov 92 13:27:24 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <kjell-301092112206@g0-mac3.ekti.chalmers.se> kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon) writes:
>One last thing: His Majesty don't live IN Stockholm.

  Of course not, he's too smart to do that.

>Kjell the Brave

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