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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: Dutch competition
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:57:34 GMT

In <1992Aug17.101933.9120@fwi.uva.nl> hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema) writes:
>PSV (or should we say Philips SV) beat Roda JC 2-0.

Thanks for the free company advert but I thought that the club was still
called PSV for national competitions. As far as I know the club will be
referred to as Philips SV for international competition.

For the non-Dutch fans the Dutch premier division club, PSV Eindhoven want
to change their name to Philips SV. It has caused some controversy within
the Netherlands as Philips is the name of a large electronics company
based in Eindhoven and is the main sponsor of PSV. 

PSV were founded in 1913 as the Philips company football team and the
name PSV stands for Philips Sports Vereniging (ie Philips Sports Club).
Until 1983 (I believe) Philips owned PSV but from that year on the 
football club became a seperate business concern and the parent company
(Philips) assumed the role of club sponsor. The ties between PSV and Philips
are still very very strong.

PSV claim that changing their name to Philips SV is simplying reverting
back to their original name and they are also claiming that they take
their name not just from their original parent company but also from
the neighbourhood of Eindhoven where the club play their home matches,
the Philipsdorp (lit. the Philips village). 

Others (mostly fans of Ajax and Feyenoord) claim that this is just
blatant advertising on the part of Philips and PSV and that if this goes
on soon we will have matches like "Philips SV  .vs.   Ford Rotterdam" or
" Ajax Cleaning Liquid   .vs.   Toyota  Haarlem".

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From: chris@wg.estec.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: Dutch team-names (was: Dutch competition)
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/ESTEC, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:16:17 GMT

On a tenuously related subject, does anyone have a list of what all the
premier division teams initials stand for, and where they are located (if
that's not obvious from the name)?

Regards,


Chris
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From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 11:53:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <9208181435.aa11606@ingate.microsoft.COM> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:

Are you sure this is correct?

>>		Participated	Won	Second	Third	Fourth
>>
>>West Germany		9	3	3	2	1
>>Brazi			7	3	1	2	1

They did not make it to semis in 1990, and therefore there is an error here.
How about the rest? Can we trust it?



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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: German News
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:01:47 GMT

Duesseldorf has sacked coach Horst Koeppel,
his successor will likely be his predecessor:
Aleksandar Ristic.
D'dorf, relegated from Div1, has only 3:11 points.

Schoemezler (Stgt Kickers ) meanwhile escaped that fate
after Stuttgart's first win this weekend (now 4:10 pts).

Vfb Stuttgrat won the super cup against hannover 96, 3:1
        
Michael
From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Wynalda (Was: Re: German Bundesliga results)
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:14:06 GMT
Organization: ISA GmbH, W-7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany

hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister) writes:
>: Saarbruecken  2 - 0  Karlsruhe
>:--------att.: 28 000-----------------
>: 1:0 Wynalda                     (39)
>: 2:0 Wynalda                     (75)

Eric Wynalda was extremely impressive in this game (and made a good
presentation of himself in one of the night's TV soccer shows).  If he
manages to keep playing at this level just half the time and finds
some support, the US will be a tougher side at the World Cup than a
number of people will expect.  Apparently, he was quite a bargain,
being borrowed from an SF Bay Area team for a measly 80,000 DM.  Other
players in the Bundesliga who cost that much don't often get as much
spotlight as Wynalda did yesterday.

Christian


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Any opinions expressed are mine, and mine only! Thought for today:
Set your force fields on stun!  I don't want any bravado.
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From: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu (Jay M Khodadadi)
Subject: Re: Prime to show English Premier League matche
Reply-To: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:15:22 GMT

According to my SportSouth contact, starting August 25, they will show 25 weeks of English soccer, which originates from the Prime Network.  I got a feeling they will try to show them on Tuesday evenings on SS.
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: A bit of moderation is needed
Date: 18 Aug 1992 05:14:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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For some reason the general tone of this group seemes to have
escalated to highly unwarranted  levels of acidity. We start
with the Olympic final and somehow end up discussing what Hit-
ler did to the Poles; almost every (no matter how slightly) nega-
tive assesment of Maradona's carreer is answered with a barage of
insults and invitations to get a life.Even more alarming, issues
of the type "my team is better than yours" (see the recent Egypt
vs Ghana and the Rest Of The World) dominate what was meant to
be a gentlemanly exchange of information and views. What our group
mostly looks like at this particular point in time is rec.sport.
psychopats, folks.....

Cheers!
 
-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics

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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: European Cups - preliminary round
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:12:12 GMT

In article <6398@kielouta.fi> csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.084756.23214@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl 
> (Michal Szleper) writes:
>>Here are results of the preliminary round of European Cups:
>>
>>Champions Cup:
>>--------------
>
>(--------------- a lot of stuff deleted --------------------------------)
>
>>I apologize for eventual spelling errors.
>> (BTW, why does Israel participate in European Cups?)
>>
>
>B/c (they claim) the Arabs will not play with them.

That's not just a claim. As you very well know. What do you think is the
reason that Israel has played its WC qualifying matches in the Oceanian
and (currently) European zones?

>I wonder if Sudan(or Somalia ) will have been allowed to play in the european 
>cup if the Africans decided not to play with them  ?????  :-)

Now why would the Africans decide such a thing?

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From: dci57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: FIFA Rule for USA Colleges
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:09:47 GMT

	Can someone please tell me if the "FIFA backpass rule" will be enforced
this fall for Division 1 colleges, particularly the Big Ten Conference (Ohio
State, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana and Wisconsin)?

	What about Division 1 high schools?




Whatever expressed above is strictly my opinion, not my employer's.
From: mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Uruguay (WAS:FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:43:09 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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I think the assessment of Uruguay as a weak team is a bit unfair.  The team 
that showed up in Mexico '86 and Italia '90 performed well below their 
potential.  There are objective reasons why this should be so: all but a 
handful of players on the squad play in Europe,  which means that they don't 
get a chance to play together except for the two months preceding the 
tournament.  In fact, not even in Copa America (South American championships
until next year, when they become American championships) could they get
all of their players released to play.  And the players that did show up
were obviously quite fatigued and injured (same goes for Netherlands,
Argentina, Brazil).

If you watch Uruguay play in South America, or if you watch their
players play on their clubs, you don't conclude that they are weak. If you
only see them when they play in the world cup, you would conclude that.
Hopefully, they will prepare better for the '94 tournament; but given the
financial situation (Uruguay has only about 3-4 million people) I doubt they
will be able to protect their players.

I wish FIFA would enact some rules that guarantee that a player can play for
their national team in official games.  As I recall now, Uruguay didn't even
have Francescoli in the last game of the qualifying round for Italia. He
watched the game, but could not play in it, because Uruguay's federation
could not afford to pay his club.  That is a disgrace.

Ariel
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From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:21:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.092411.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>	To everybody writing about football in Spain:
>
>	I could not see the Spain-Poland match, but I have been watching 
>football in Madrid (Spain) for a long time. Maybe the referee was not
>correct in this game, maybe the crowd helped a lot (I am sure they did!),
>maybe the Polish players are stronger than the Spanish,...
>	BUT: Please, do not say that the referee was favouring Spain, or that
>everything was organized so Spain would win ANY WAY. 

Don't worry. I have seen the match en Spain was by far the stronger side. 
Poland has a few a very dangerous attack players and this combined with this
sniper football made them a very dangerous side. The attractive part of the
game was brought by Spain so i am glad they won the game.

louis kossen

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From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Papin
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:07:14 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <Bsvwro.Eq0@ecf.toronto.edu> yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu 
(YEW HIN Jimmy) asks about Milan's foreigners...
Well, since this season Italian teams are allowed to have more than 3
foreigners; though only 3 can play in a single official game. Milan has
6 foreigners, the three Dutchmen plus Papin, Savicevic and Boban.

                                                                Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"The sky is light-blue, since God is a Napoli fan"
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From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Arsenal Mural (was Maidstone United)
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:31:52 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <0095F459.DB89DE00@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:

>On a totally unrelated subject, I saw on breakfast news this morning that
>Arsenal are going to alter their mural, after complaints from many quarters
>that there are no black or ethnic minority faces shown in the crowd. There
>are probably no away fans shown either.
>
>Cheers - Ian
>
>     /~~^~~\      Nottingham Forest supporter through all times
>   /~~\   /~~\
> /~~\       /~~\  Forest mailing list send request to
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>       | |
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> /----\___/----\  You never close your eyes any more....
>   F O R E S T


What's this mural Ian?  Can I see it from down under?

Geoff.
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Worldclass tournament (was Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America)
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:05:05 GMT

In article <l92ogkINN8iv@pollux.usc.edu> cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:
>I know there are some options for South Americans as well, but you must agree 
>that the chances in Europe are greater. Perhaps a reasonable solution to that 
>would be to increase the integration of the Continents in the qualifying round.

I like this idea. Maybe then we would stop those neverending
quarrels about which continent should have more spots.

Cheers!

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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Geoff Thomas goes to Blackburn Rovers
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

Geoff Thomas has apparently moved to Blackburn Rovers for a bargain
basement price of something in excess of 3 million pounds.

Is this a deliberate ploy by Kenny to try to inflate the transfer
market still further? Or is he just mad?

Answers on a postcard please...
From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: maradona
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:49:48 GMT
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

In article <9208151938.AA07414@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

Kent's opinions appear genuine and unbiased and I won't try to pick on him
point by point but I must comment on a couple of points:

Diego's performance in 1990 was far from isignificant.  Yes there were some
games in which he was not a factor but Argentina could not have won the two
most important games, against Brasil and Italy without him.  

He is not in the shape that you imagine and I am willing to bet that he
will surprise you on his return and in 1994.

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From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NPSL Question
Keywords: NPSL Indoor Ambush Tulsa St.Louis
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:47:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

This is a question concerning indoor soccer.

I heard on the news today that the (Tulsa?) Ambush is moving
to St.Louis, and is affiliated with the NPSL.

Can anyone who is familiar with the NPSL tell me anything about
it? St. Louis had an MSL team until that folded, so I am
familiar with that league and its rules. I have heard that the
NPSL has some 'unusual' scoring rules. I would especially like
to hear from anyone who knows how NPSL rules differ from MSL
rules, rather than as a comparison to the outdoor game.

Also, how stable is this league as compared to the MSL.

Thanks.....
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
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From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (El Burro Grande)
Subject: Poll: More votes please
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:16:18 GMT


Hi,

I have received quite a lot of answers on my poll now. The problem is that most of them are from USA, Canada, Australia, England, Finland and India. I would like to have more votes from specially Africa (only one so far - from South Africa), South America (only two), more from Asia and Europe (and Scandinavia - only the Finns have responded yet).


The rules:
Reply to this post with the five team sports you think are largest in your home country/ the country you live in and also note what country.

 With large I mean you should consider the sports that got most coverage in media and not with the most performer. You should also consider the national league coverage rather than national team.

With team sport I mean a sport that is performed on an arena of some kind with two teams. I don't consider the kind of sports there you can have teams meeting the others teams on an individual basis, for example as in table tennis.

I will leave up to your own judgement on sports I don't know about. Included in this post a list of sports I consider being suitable - but your free to include other sports.

Since people in the same country will have different opinions on which sports are the largest in their country I will make an average list for all countries. 

Hopefully this will give some kind of indication on which sports are the most world spread and end all the flaming discussions on this issue.

Deadline will be 30/8, replies after that won't be considered. please also don't include too long comments.

Here's my list for Sweden:

1. Football (soccer)
2. Ice Hockey
3. Bandy
4. team Handball
5. Basketball

(I don't consider volleyball since the national league coverage is very small though the natioanl team received much more coverage than the basketball national team lately. Of course other Swedes probably have anothet opinion.
Bandy is a sport that is very popular in Sweden, Finland and Russia. Shortly it can be described as a combination of Field Hockey and football played on ice.)

List of suitable sports:
Football (also rugby, american, australian, gaelic etc.)
Hockey (Ice, Field, Roller)
Polo (water, Horse)
Handball
Volleyball
Bandy (also indoor)
Baseball, Softball, Cricket, Boboll
Basketball
Freesby
Lacrosse
Underwater rugby

This  is all I can think of now. Must be more so don't mind if your soport isn't included.


John Dryselius

Reply to: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:42:50 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com) writes:

>The tiny nation of Uruguay has always been and still is a power in the
>the world scene.  They have won two world cups, including the biggest
>upset in soccer history when they defeated Brasil in the "Maracanazo"
>final in Brasil in 1950.

Small correction here: the 1950 World Cup was decided in a final but in
a 4 team tournament. Uruguay and Brazil meet in their last match with
Brazil only needing a draw to take home the cup. Uruguay won 1-0.

Due to the decisive nature of this match is has been regarded as a 
World Cup final.

Interesting detail: only two times has a South American team lost a 
World Cup final, and both times the team was Argentina.
-- 
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                    We'll be back
From: lawarree@milton.u.washington.edu (Jacques Lawarree)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Under 20's Romp in Belgium
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:08:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bt70uA.Coq@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.120941.27946@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
><The US Under 20;s won all five of their games by an aggragate of 18-1.
><
><US 6 Sprintmont(France) 0
><US 2 AS Herstal(Belgium) 0
><US 3 RWD Molenbeek (Belgium) 1
><US 3 Villeneuve (France) 0
><US 4 KRC Genk (Belgium) 0
><
><The core of this team is the same team that came in 5th in the U17 World
><Cup last year.
>
>Impressive.
>
>I'm hoping some of these youngsters make the first team squad for 1994!  
>Then maybe some folks will finally realise the USA isn't _that_ far behind 
>as the rest of the world seem to think!
>
>
>-- 
>Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com
>3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.
>
>"An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert




Don't get too 'excited'. Herstal is an amateur team in a low division in Belgium (and there are many).  RWDM and Genk play in first division, but they are 2 bad teams.  I also know that they did not play their number 1 team against the US.  This being said, it is still an impressive perfromance for such a young team.

A
A
A

DD
A
A
From: neil@epsilon.ma.adfa.oz.au (Neil Viney)
Subject: Re: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Organization: Maths Dept. ADFA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.011121.17716@CS.ORST.EDU>, visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:
> 
> 	I believe it goes as follows: South America has 3 'hard' spots and Europe
> 	14 (or 13, I am not quite sure). And there is one spot that is ALTERNATED
> 	between Europe and South America, but that spot must be earned in a playoff
> 	against some combination of Oceania-Israel(until last WC at least).
> 
> 	For ex, in 1982 South America had 4 hard spots: Brasil, Argentina, Chile 
> 	and Peru, and some European team was defeated by New Zealand who attended
> 	the Cup.


Not quite.  New Zealand won the Oceania group, then qualified for the WC finals by
finishing in the top two in a second-round tournament consisting of NZ and the winners
of the four (or five?) Asian first-round groups.  They didn't have to play off
against a European team.

 
> 	For 1986, South America sent also 4 teams and I don't believe any of them
> 	had to play against any Oceania-Israel (so much for the alternation theory..)


In this tournament, Scotland qualified by beating Australia in a two-leg elimination.

 
> 	In 1990, South America sent 4 teams, but one of them (Colombia) had to play
> 	a two game series against Israel (winner of Oceania-Israel group?) to 
> 	qualify.


Correct.  Israel won a group consisting of it, Australia and New Zealand.  The other
Oceania teams (Taiwan and Fiji?) had earlier been eliminated by Aus and NZ.


Neil.
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