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From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Exercising When Sick AND Scheduling Time for Exercise
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:47:48 GMT

In article <BxL0MD.M0L@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>
>Do you all continue your exercise programs when you are sick? Say
>you have a little cold. What if exercising makes you feel like
>you're going to have the world's biggest coughing fit?

   If I'm into a lot of coughing and nose-blowing, I won't go to aerobics,
because that turns into a gooey mess and the coughing interrupts too much.
But I will try to get *some* exercise, if I'm not sick enough to be in bed.
Maybe I'll go to the mall and walk for 30-45 minutes.  If I feel weak or
dizzy or feel as though I just can't hack it, I rest, but I try not to
let myself have excuses not to exercise.  

   But you know what?  Since I started exercising regularly a few years 
ago, I haven't been sick as much!  I used to get a couple of bad colds 
every year; every time a roommate would come down with something, all of
us would end up getting it.  But I just haven't been catching any of it
lately, and I'm the biggest exerciser in the house.   My golfball-sized
tonsils haven't been infected in a few years.  I used to get 3-4 tonsil 
infections a year, plus an occasional ear infection. 

   And normally I'm somebody who gets run down easily from too much stress, not
enough sleep, too much work-and-school running around.  In relation to the
other thread going on now, how to schedule exercise, I just committed myself and
started.  I exercise about 4 times a week, and my schedule adjusted itself.
People at work started getting used to me being gone at lunch, my boyfriend 
learned to settle for dinner at 7:30 PM so I can go to aerobics.  I work 40+
hours per week and spend 6 hours a week in school.  

   Sorry to digress like this, but to me the two things are related.  I don't
know *scientifically* if they are, but I just feel stronger, more energetic,
and more alert since I started exercising regularly, and haven't been getting
sick.   

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson)
Subject: Nonfat Miracle Whip
Reply-To: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:18:51 -0500

Hi folks!  I haven't had much luck posting to this group via
email, but here's hoping...

I just wanted to mention that I've had good luck baking low
fat goodies using nonfat Miracle Whip in place of the shortening.
I like it much better than using applesauce or nonfat yogurt.
I have recipes for chocolate cupcakes and chocolate chip cookies;
if anyone is interested just say hey and I'll post them (yes I
know the chips are more fat than most of you want to be eating,
but getting rid of the butter is a good start :-)).  If you want
to experiment on other things, I would cut out any salt in the
recipe - I tried making brownies once and added salt as per the
old recipe and boy were they yuckie.

Hope this makes it!  Linda G.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:47:45 GMT

Oh, man! you are so right about it being tough to find that middle
ground between too much and not enough exercise.  I started a modest
walking program last summer (August), only about a mile and a half to
two miles every morning, at first.  It tapered off to three or four
mornings a week, but not before my heels and the bottoms of my feet
started hurting ANYTIME I walked on them.  I think this was a thread
on this group a short time back, plantar fascia or something like
that.  The podiatrist taped my arches, and with my new running shoes
and Birkie sandals, my feet don't hurt anymore (although my wallet
is VERY short of breath!).

The problem now is getting back into some kind of walking/exercise
program.  I've been riding the exercise bike twenty minutes right
after work, but I have to FORCE myself to do it.  Is 20 minutes
enough to replace 1 1/2 to 2 miles walking?  Is that enough to do
me any good?  I've read enough here to know exercise is vital if
I'm to be healthy.  I'd like to hear how others have determined how
much is the right amount.  Thanks for sharing, you all give me the
courage to keep trying!

Jan
From: zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 23:37:44 GMT
Subject: Aerobics Tapes for Wimpy Knees?
Organization: HP SSD R & D
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

I tried posting this to misc.fitness, but got no
serious responses, so I thought I might have better
luck here.

I'm looking for aerobics videotapes that are gentle on
the knees.  Does anyone have a low-impact or other
knee-preserving workout tape to recommend?

Thanks,
Claudia
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 20:18:09 GMT
Subject: Re: How many calories is a pizza ?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

The rule of thumb that I've used for (rare) occasions when I eat
pizza is that it will cost between 70-80 and 120 calories per ounce.
A heavily vegie pizza (or with less cheese than normal) runs at
the bottom [by heavily vegie, *no* meat, lots of vegies, and little
oil; they can be made.:-)], with a default combo running at 
100 per ounce, and stromboli/all meat jobs running at the top
end.  This varies with the restaurant; it's not going above 250
per ounce (pure oil) nor below the vegies.  (The low end, 70/oz,
has very small amounts of lowfat cheese and correspondingly higgh
amounts of vegies.  Rumor has it you can order vegie pizzas without
cheese, too.)

In theory, a slice of medium pizza can weigh 4 ounces.  I went to
a luncheon for an ex-boss and had two slices of pizza. According to my
trusty scale, two slices weighed 12 ounces.  (Yes, I do carry a scale
to a restaurant.  I don't eat at them often, but I try not to care
what onlookers might think.  It's *my* weight.)

I've learned to shift from a weekly medium pizza (when I weighed
390+ lbs) to a small vegie pizza about once a month.  Shifted
restaurants, too, so I can get smaller portions.  My activity level
is high enough so that I can cope with the ~1500 calories from that
small pizza, but it takes planning.  I have no ability to eat a 
little bit of pizza and leave the rest for later, so I go for the
smallest one that still tastes good.  

I haven't had much luck getting non-fat cheese to melt under pizza
baking conditions.  It drys out first.

Pete Brooks
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Lose weight with Thermojectics
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:38:17 GMT

tww40334@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Wentworth) writes:

>I wouldn't use or sell Thermojectics if it didn't work and if it
>doesn't work for you, the company which produces the product (Herbalife)
>will provide you a full refund.   

Yeah right.

>You can also sell Thermojectics.

Which is exactly what you're trying to do here on the net.



-- 
--------------------------------------------------
  Allen Warren 
  TSSI -- Beaverton, OR 
  Disclaimer:  My ramblings are NOT those of TSSI          
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 18:03:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Lowfat chocolate cake recipe
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

In the same vein, I've been playing with the Jello Nutrasweet non-fat
pudding mixes.  If you want a fair approximation of a chocolate
sourcream recipe, with lots less fat, you can mix the following:

1 pint nonfat plain yogurt.  I use Dannon at 110/cup
1 package Chocolate fudge mix:  180/packet.  Don't know the fat.

Makes one pint, more or less, enough to spread thickly over a small 
cake.

Mix well with a powerful beater and spread immediately.  it will
get pretty stiff once it sets up, but it makes a rather nice, tart
icing.  Not low in calories, but it's better than sour cream (looks
like SC runs at 30/TBS or 960 for the pint mentioned above.

BTW, you can try other flavors, but the chocolates seem to stand up
better to the yogurt than the vanilla or the banana.  Haven't tried
butterscotch.  Sounds kinda disgusting.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:51:22 GMT

In article <BxL1A7.MDI@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>Sometimes I break down and get the nonfat Entenmann's. Sorry if
>mentioning that brand name causes anyone out there to go off their diet.

Just be aware that these products aren't necessarily zero-fat.  I believe 
that products can be labeled non-fat if the serving size (as listed on the 
package) has less than 1g of fat per serving.  

I was never able to eat 1/13 of one of their cakes or 1 cookie either :-).

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
Subject: Losing inches!!!!!
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:20:40 GMT

Last night was the end of my first month on NutriSystem
and I just had to share with y'all cuz I don't have
many people to share with here!

I've lost 5 lbs and 6.25".  I'm soooo excited!  Weight
loss has always been a real let down for me.....Inch
loss has always been worse....so.....this is great!
I lost 1.75" from my chest, 2" from my waist, 1 from
my hips and 1.5 from my thighs.....  I've been high
all day - I even wore my "skinny" outfit to work...
I'm only half way there - but I'm so much more 
movtivated now than even before....

Thanks for all your support

Lenore Cook
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Exercising When Sick
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:53:45 GMT

In article <BxL0MD.M0L@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>
>Do you all continue your exercise programs when you are sick? Say
>you have a little cold. 

I read in a fitness mag the suggestion that you can exercise if you are
"sick" above the neck, but not below.  In other words, if you just have
a head cold but you want to exercise, go ahead.  But if it's in the 
lungs, you are better off resting.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:13:22 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

In waterobics classes or just swimming time a year or so ago I saw lots of
people who were as overweight as I am (about 40 lbs then) or much more so.
Even the instructors tended not to be the very slender types you find leading
"land" aerobics classes.  I didn't feel at all as if I stood out from the
rest.  Most people in the water were there for their own reasons, anyway, and
were doubtless too busy to spare me a second glance.

Most people swimming laps or doing waterobics are there to improve their
health.  And I just bet a lot of them started out overweight or badly out of
shape.  Everybody has to start somewhere, right?

But I quit swimming when I heard (from several sources) that being in the
water causes your body to gain or maintain fat, even counteracting your other
exercise efforts to lose weight.  The only advantage to swimming (evidently)
is that it tones the muscles all over your body evenly, which other exercises
don't.  I miss swimming, but have promised myself I'll go back to it when I
get within 15 lbs of my goal weight.

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com
From: wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:10:06
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
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In-reply-to: jsl+@pitt.edu's message of 9 Nov 92 15:54:23 GMT

>>>>> "John" == John S Lundberg <jsl> writes:

John> I got a real lesson this past weekend. ...  There's an appropriate
John> level of exercise and overdoing the exercise may be as bad as
John> returning to sedentary habits.

John and I must be long lost twins...  I tried a similar double dip at my
regular exercise program a few weekends ago.  I didn't suffer any serious
ill effects, though, apart from being so tired as to be useless for a day
or so.  The most surprising effect, however, was that I lost *no* weight at
all over the period, whereas I would expect to have lost at least a kilo.
This continued for a while, also.  My doctor suspects I may have pushed
myself close to what this group calls "starvation mode", and it's a most
distressing feeling I can tell you.  You start to think "Is my system so
cockeyed that I'm going to have to exercise like horse and eat practically
nothing the rest of my life just to *stay no fatter*?"  It's still not 100%
clear what's going on, by the way.  My rate of loss continues to be fairly
dramatically slower than it was.  This may be normal for the 3 month mark,
I suppose, but it's depressing to see your goals slipping forward in time.

John> It's tough to find that middle ground sometimes but absolutely
John> necessary if a program is going to be successful.

The voice of experience once again.  I must entirely agree.

Bill
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From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:38:15 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <9379@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:

>This may sound like an excuse,
It is.

>but I find that I have to drive to get
>to decent walking terrain and that limits me to one serious walk/day.
What's your bicycle doing in the garage?  What's wrong walking in your
immediate neighborhood?

>people are simply getting less exercise in the natural course of their
>lives and have to go to extraordinary lengths--such as driving to a
>shopping mall or joining a club--simply to take a walk.
Unfortunately it's true.

It's all in your mind,

--jen
B. Jennifer Zheng       Ride thy bike; run thy race.                        ||
Another century, another paradise.               ---  __~o      ~o          ||
jenny@unify.com         (916) 649-3576        ----   _`\<,      <|\         ||
6/18 down, 18/2 to go!                          --- ( )/( )     / >         ||
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:28:56 GMT

I don't mean to be unsympathetic--really, I've been there myself (for
years and years).  But the reality is that, as you point out, you are
letting excuses get in the way of your exercise.  The reason I have
been successful at keeping the weight I lost off is because I continue
to exercise (a lot).  

It is my #1 priority.  It's that simple.

I manage to get 2-3 hours a day of exercise in, plus work full-time, plus
go to graduate school part-time, plus have a reasonable social life.  I
don't say this to sound pompous or superior, I say this because maybe 
I can nudge people past the "excuses" stage.  You know, if I can do it...

Here are a couple of things that have kept me at this level of exercise
since January.  First of all, I have a Walkman.  I couldn't walk without
listening to music.  It also keeps me reasonably up-to-date on the news.
Second, I have good walking apparel.  I have good shoes, and I have stuff
for the weather--good long underwear, good windbreaker, good umbrella.
Plus I have been known to wear some of my ski stuff (like my polyprop 
face mask) when it gets really cold.

I have two loops mapped out that I do (one at work, one at home).  I walk
past shopping centers in both.  This helps me, because I've always hated
to walk for the sake of walking!  Most of the time, I stop and pick up
groceries or stuff at the drug store.  When I walk at lunch, I stop and
pick up a sandwich to eat at my desk when I get back.

Anyways, you don't need to be as crazy as I am.  But everyone, whether 
they are dieting or not, should be getting in about 300 cals of exercise
a day (an hour of walking or aerobics, or 1/2 hr of something more intense
like jogging).  

You are only letting yourself down by not overcoming the obstacles to 
exercise.  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:47:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BxB4Aw.5oB@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>I'm a big fan of the baked tortilla chips you can find now.  I served them
>along with some fat-free bean dip at a part recently and you should've
>heard my guests exclaiming over it!  


Anybody know if these chips have made it as far east as Philadelphia?


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
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From: barbaraj@csc.ti.com (Heart Dancer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Won't have Sex with a Fat Guy/Successful weight loss
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:17:35 GMT
Reply-To: barbaraj@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments

In article <1992Nov3.003413.26942@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:

>>It is suspected that Candida can be caused by excessive sugar intake.
>>If you look at a Candida elimination diet, you will find that all
>>sugar and sweeterners have been eliminated.  Even fruit.
>>
>>--Kjell

> Just so I know we're talking on the same wavelength, when you say
> sugar do you mean surcrose and it's relatives?
> 
> john

The anti-candida program I was on did allow limited fruits (1-2
servings per day) and no other simple sugars of any kind: nothing that
listed fructose, sucrose, honey, maple syrup, or malt.  The point is
to kill off some of the yeast, so it is more in balance with the
bacteria.  Yeast feed on sugars.

BJ
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercising When Sick AND Scheduling Time for Exercise
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:04:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov12.144748.16368@linus.mitre.org> cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter) writes:
>   But you know what?  Since I started exercising regularly a few years 
>ago, I haven't been sick as much!  I used to get a couple of bad colds 

Of course, it turns out that if you overexercise, you can actually increase
your chances of getting sick.  Somebody did a study and found out that
people who ran a marathon got more colds (percentage-wise) than did people
who had trained for the marathon but wound up not competing.  They
found that some hormone or enzyme (whose name escapes my photographic
memory, as usual :-) was suppressing some of the function of the immune system
after strenuous exercise.

As for me, I don't notice that I am getting sick more or less frequently.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Won't have Sex with a Fat Guy/Successful weight loss
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:27:01 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <1992Nov2.170954.12121@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>In article <27523@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct31.214929.344@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Because of this, one cannot just stop eating or go on a very low
>|> >calorie diet. The person won't lose fat, they'll lose muscle mass
>|> >since it's protein is the only other source of glucose.

Wrong. The body will utilize fat first, proteins will be used in a much
later stage. Excercise; during long-lasting workout, the only source of
energy is fat. 

>|> ..concentration camp inmates in his desk. He would give it to them and
>|> say "as a result of these German dietary experiments I can say
>|> absolutely categorically that _even_you_ can end up as thin as this if
>|> you eat less."
>|> -- 

Well put.

>My advice for losing weight (disclaimer:  I'm not a dietician, but I have
>been a competitive (non-professional) athlete for over 20 years; current
>activity is triathlons):
>- Consume most calories prior to exercise (i.e., don't eat a big dinner
>before going to bed).

I don't really believe the time of the day one eats matters all that much.
What does matter is the total amount of energy one takes in and the total
amount of energy one uses during the day. If you use more calories (by way
of excercise) than you get by eating, you will lose weight. Of course, 
if you cut back on your late-night meals, you will simply be cutting the
total amount you eat, and that will help. Unless you compensate for the
loss by having an extra pancake in the morning.

An interesting point is that there is evidence that regular excercise
also alters thermogenesis and fat metabolism at rest, i.e. the more
you excercise during the day, the more you will keep on burning fat at
night.

/ep
From: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercising When Sick
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:48:08 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.27

In article <BxL0MD.M0L@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>
>Do you all continue your exercise programs when you are sick?

I believe the rule most often given is that if you have a head cold,
it's o.k. to exercise, and may even help, but if you have a fever or
signs of illness below the neck, you should just rest and let your
body recover.  I don't generally exercise when I'm sick, except for
maybe some really easy walking, but I do find that if I feel as if
I'm coming down with a cold, but I'm not sure, it helps to go out for
an easy run.  By the end of the run I generally either feel a lot
better or else know that I'm sick!

(However, for some reason, I haven't been sick in nearly 3 years.
I don't know if it's the exercise, or the low-fat vegetarian diet,
or (most likely) that I know longer have children at home.)

Jane Colman         JLColman@lbl.gov
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