Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
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Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 12:53:12 EST
From: Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The March in D.C.
 <1992Apr7.214014.10886@cs.dal.ca> <17762@oasys.dt.navy.mil>

In article  <1992Apr7.214014.10886@cs.dal.ca> Steve Franklin writes:

>YOu guys are realy immature you know that? When the tough gets going,
>the pro-choice get offensive. How many Christian jokes have been brought
>into an otherwise serious forum for discussing abortion?

And I suppose you feel that the prolifers who call
prochoice mother's unfit mature?  Or how many times
must the rallying cry of "baby killer" be brought
into otherwise serious discussions about abortion?

> Like I said earlier,
>each individual has his/her own calling in life, and YOU don't have the
>right to deny it.

Just as each woman has the right to determine her
calling in life and you, Mr. Franklin, don't have
the right to deny her.

>   And by the way darkstar@u.washington.edu (Alden Hackmann), your
>frigging follow-up was weak, offensive, and absolutely lacking in humor.
>PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DON"T MAKE A WAR OF THIS. We should be working
>TOGETHER to help the victims. YOu see the women as a victim, we see
>the fetus as a victim. CAN WE NOT WORK TOGETHER so that everyone is happy?
>I don't think you guys give a shit... All I see are the pro-lifers here
>begging to work TOGETHER, and you guys are so busy trying to hack away
>at our faith and pride, that you don't spend any time thinking about
>a solution.

Besides the obvious flaws in the above paragraph, prochoicers
have already found a solution - allow the woman the right to
determine her own destiny.  The majority of prochoicers in
this group, and indeed in organizations around the world, are
active in a variety of areas that improve the ability of women
to not only care for themselves, but care for their children as
well.  Shall I list the number of prominent prolifers,
Mr. Franklin, who have publicly stated that they are opposed
to day care, equal pay, welfare to single mothers, access to
health care, etc. etc. etc.

>  Your solution is "maybe if we get them to shut the hell up, then the
>problem will go away..." Think again my friend.

And the prolife solution is to stand outside clinics shouting
at pregnant women that they are killers.  Think again my friend,
there is a thinking, feeling person involved in this debate
and she's not residing inside the womb.

>   Incedentally, I probably picked on this post more than I should have
>but I'm so sick and tired of the jokes, insults, bites, jabs, and of
>course, the nazi comments. Society could easily be split on the concept
>of abortion, and I am calling for peace. WE are calling for peace...
>It is up to the pro-choice now to decide. You will not pound us into
>submission. There are too many strong individuals in this movement
>for us to be silenced. The ball's in your court now...

The day I see a prominent, politically powerful, prolifer
stand up and say they are constructively working to end poverty,
hunger, homelessness, improve education, provide access to birth
control, day care, etc. etc. etc., I'll believe you Mr. Franklin,
but somehow I think that day is a long way away.


Linda
--
"National day care is dead in Canada and I had the pleasure
 of killing it" Benoit Bouchard, Minister of Health, 1992