From: U16244@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image/Marvel "FanBoys"TM
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:50:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <BvA7Hv.5Iv@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
says:
>
>bennett@cs.dal.ca (clinton a bennett) writes:
>
>>   It seems that since I've been on the net that all people are doing is
>>picking fun at Marvel and it's self proclaimed zombies.  Now Image with it's
>>group of "hot" new artists has made the namecalling even worse.
The namecalling and the constant flamewars are awful.  I can only think
of one person who truly deserves to be raked through the mud, and that's
the extremely sloppy Mr. Liefeld.
>>   I know I'm taking a chance here, but I admit that I was once upon a time a
>>dedicated "fanboy".  But that was way back when I didn't realize that a      s
>>even realized that a good writer is what makes a good story.
But did you enjoy the stuff that you read before you realized that it is
the work of the author (and artist) that makes it so good.  I really
enjoyed the the mid 200 run of Fantastic Four when Byrne was doing them
even before I took an interest in artists or writers.  The same thing
went for my collection of the first 18 issues of ASM in paperback, when
I enjoyed the Ditko SM more than the Kirby SM. (Kirby sucked as a Spidey
artist.)
>>   I still read some marvel titles including all the X-stories, and
>Wolverine.
>Well I think most people (including myself) for fanboys at
>an early stage of their collecting. Some people just take
>longer to grow out of it and some never do. A good writer is
>THE ONLY thing that makes a good story. A good artist and
>good characters make a good comic.
>>I like Davis, Hama, and PAD and have hopes that Lobdell and Nicezia will sort
>>out the mess that has been made of some of the best characters in comics.
Well, Nicezia actually seems to be handling Nomad enjoyably.  Before
Dead Man's Hand, I though that Nomad (no reading beforehand) was just
another gunhappy sleeze.  Now, I actually enjoy the character.
>>   Dare I say that I have bought some Image titles, and thenadmit that I
>liked
>>some of them.  Spawn I find interesting, MacFarlane's art is different and
>>stylish and his story so far although slow moving is not bad.  I also like
>>Larson's title so far, as well as Lee's.  Vallentino didn't impress me, and
>>Lifield's stories make me ill, so I stay away from his work.
I had pretty much the same opinions of everyone's work.  Vallentino's
work strikes me as looking at the Dirty Harry movies in the wrong light.
I actually enjoy Savage Dragon more than Spawn, but Larsen's so damn
slow!!!
>I'm just about to quit all X-titles. I quit X-Factor because
>of the art but might pick it up again with Jae Lee doing the
>art. I think Spawn is okay, nothing special. WildCATS is pretty
>standard stuff. I didn't buy Larson's title because I really
>hated his art although some people whose opinion I respect said
>that it was reasonable (the story and art). Valentino is an
>overrated hack. Liefeld is just Liefeld.
You can quit books for whatever reason you like.  As I said, I enjoy
a few of the Image books, but others, like Shadowhawk and Yakblood
are atrocities against the human race, and are deserving of the Nuremburg
trials.
>>   Right about now you people are probably warming up your flame throwers
>>and getting out your lists of alternative comics I should read.  Well I
>>already have caught the Cerebus bug and am catching up on that.  I have read
>>and enjoyed the Watchmen, as well as Hard Boiled, and the DarkNight Returns.
>>I plan on trying out Animal Man and Sandman soon.
Why should you have to read alternative as a must for reading so-called
good comics?  I'm not saying that alternatives have no reason for
existence.  I'm just saying that everyone who says YOU MUST READ THISSSS!
should take some valium and cool out.  I myself don't really care for
Animal Man, but love Doom Patrol.
>Why should anybody flame you? It's good that you read Cerebus.
>I havenit read any of the others although I plan to buy them
>all soon.
Dear sir, there are a couple others that are really good too.  Those
Annoying Post Brothers (but that's violent), and Oz Squad.  Both really
tickle me.