HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: miguel@boytoy.csd.sgi.com (Michael/Miguel Sanchez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Pipeline article on Showcase
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:41:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.191809.14591@biome.bio.ns.ca>, silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert) writes:
|> Vol. 3 No. 6 of Pipeline has an article on p. 5, explaining how to
|> insert flowing text into a document.  I've been able to do this, but
|> checked out the article to see if I could learn some tricks or
|> shortcuts.  Now I'm really confused!  Even when I went through the
|> material step by step it didn't work as described.
|> 
|> Do I perhaps have an obsolete version of Showcase or something like
|> that?  I have IRIX 4.0.5 and Showcase 2.0.3.
|> -- 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
|> P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
|> InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca


at what point do things not work?


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Miguel (Michael) J. Sanchez
miguel@csd.sgi.com			
Member Technical Staff, Silicon Graphics, Inc.         
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.programmer
From: rjf@lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343)
Subject: Re: developing under sys 5 unix
Organization: AT&T/NCR, Lincroft, NJ, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:28:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.190843.6808@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> vahe@sparcy.Stanford.EDU (Vahe Avedissian) writes:
>I don't know if anyone else has the same experience,
>but I am always frustrated, and my patience tested
>when developing on SGI or other machines running
>Sys 5 unix.
>
>The real annoying thing is once you run a program
>with a bug, the system tends to completely stop responding
>to interrupts or anything else, the windowing
>system and manager are rendered unresponsive too.
>You just sit there and wait for the system to eventually
>(i.e. anywhere from 3 - 10 minutes or so) core dump.
>

I've experienced this a few of times.  The bug always turns out
to be an out-of-control recursive function.  The process eventually
runs out of swap space or exceeds the limits on process virtual memory
as the stack grows.  It takes a while to page all that stack out, and
then read it back and write the 'core' file.

Try a smaller, faster disk...  {8^)


bob.			| Heap big trouble in the land of plenty.
Were these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.
From: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: C problems (was Re: compiling metamail)
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert)
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. Oceanography

Thanks for the one posting that suggested a solution.  However, I found
the answer, and since it is a common one I felt a further posting on the
subject is called for.

In this case and others, a file contains this sort of code:

	...
	x = DoSomething(...);
	...

static int DoSomething(...) { ... }

On an SGI system this causes DoSomething to be an unsatisfied external
unless the function occurs before the invocation, or at least is
declared before it is invoked.  Apparently on other systems this is
acceptable.

I don't know whether the SGI touchiness agrees with the standard, but
this is a real pain.  Does anyone have a general solution?
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sgi:18695 comp.sys.sgi.hardware:108
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: Re: Tektronix Phaser IIsd as shipped from SGI
Keywords: configuration, ports, color printer
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:12:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <srp.726767715@cgl.ucsf.edu> srp@cgl.ucsf.edu (Scott R. Presnell) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>	We're considering the purchase of a Tektronix Phaser IIsd Printer
>from SGI.  I've been trying to communicate with my salesperson to find out
>the configuration of the printer as sold by SGI, but he has left me
>confused and wondering. I was hoping someone who has bought one of these
>printers (or perhaps an SGI engineer) might be able to answer a few brief
>questions on the IIsd as (re)-sold by SGI:
>
>	1) Are the AppleTalk and serial ports available on the printer, or
>are they disabled in some way.

They are available.

>	2) Does the printer come with the ethernet port option installed?

You'd have to ask Tektronix on this one, we don't reconfigure their
system.  Try 800-835-6100 in the US and Canada.

>	3) I was told by Tektronix that the Ethernet port option works
>though the parallel port (and is hence bound by parallel port speeds), is
>this the case?

That could very well be.

>	4) If 2 && 3, can a person with a reasonable amount of technical
>knowhow back out of the ethernet option (to reactivate the parallel port).

Supposedly all ports are active.  I don't think (2) means that you
disable parallel to get Ethernet.  My guess is that (2) really means
that the fastest the interpreter receives data from the interface
board is at the rate of the parallel port.  Thus you'll only get in
the neighborhood of 100KB/sec no matter which port use use.

>	4) The SGI salesperson mentioned that there are "drivers" for this
>printer.  My understanding was that this was a Postscript printer.  Is the
>salesperson referring to kernel level drivers of some sort, or setup, color
>control software and the like?

The latter.  In addition, Tektronix will be upgrading their software
support to work with SGI's Impressario product, greatly speeding image
printing, improving the color correction software, and generally very
much improving the interface.

>	In summary, we would like to use the lpd software to run the
>printer, as we do our other Postscript printers, via the serial or parallel
>ports - can we do this with the Phaser IIsd as it is shipped from SGI?
>(we would be connecting this printer to a 4D/35)

If you use lpd, you need not use the software drivers (called
"TekPhaser") shipped with the printer, since they won't be invoked
without some hackery on your part.  

If you use lpd, a generic PostScript output filter should work fine.

Cheers,

David Story                        	        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com				Mountain View, California

I've changed my name, so duis@sgi.com may bounce, please use story@sgi.com.
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: VAX Ultrix vs. IRIS re: command line recall
Date: 5 Jan 1993 02:07:26 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <uflsmcs@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>In <1993Jan4.233656.19347@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> lms@swl.msd.ray.com (LEE MARDEN {79509}) writes:
>|   I have been using VAX Ultrix for over a year now, that seems to have
>| a particular feature that I can't seem to find in IRIX.  In VAX Ultrix 4.2
>| RISC I am able to use the arrow keys (up/down) to scroll through the
>| csh command histor, and use VI like syntax to edit those commands.
>| Here's my question:  Can this be done on the SGI?
>
>I think that is 'tcsh' (ksh also has it).  ksh is shipped, tcsh
>is not in any current releases, but should be ftp'able from
>somewhere.

Ultrix hacks both csh and ksh for command recall.  The recall syntax isn't
the same as that of tcsh at all, and I think tcsh is better.  tcsh is 
available for both Ultrix and IRIX (and I have it installed on all my
machines and recommend it highly).
--scott
From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re:  help
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:35:18 GMT

Hello, 

sorry to inquire again but I have a customer here who cannot access 
copp.sys.sgi and would like to get it from mailing lists. He seems to 
remember that info-iris@brl.mil was mentioned once. From the help reply 
I cannot conclude whether the list is still active at brl.mil. 

Thanks 
Reinhard 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Re: gnuplot 3.2 on 8bit indigo?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:08:54 GMT

In article <34974@adm.brl.mil> mcdonald@afwlmvax.aedc writes:
>Here at AEDC we use gnuplot on several different platforms.  It has performed
>great on all platforms thus far, until we tried to use it on an Indigo with
>8bit graphics.  I have compiled both the IRIS4D and the X11 versions and both
>have the same actions.  The plots seem to work fine with the exception of the
>axes not displaying on either the X11 or IRIS4D version.  Anyone got gnuplot
>running on an 8bit Indigo?  If so, what changes did you have to make?

Use 'set terminal iris4d 24'.

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
From: lim@cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: hardware manual(s) for 4D/340GTX
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:55:01 GMT
Reply-To: lim@cs.umass.edu ()
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst


We're trying to attach a DataCube frame grabber onto the VME bus of our
4D/340GTX and we're having trouble getting it to work. Are there any hardware
manuals available for this machine? Thanks in advance.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Jonathan Lim          Computer Vision Research Group
           lim@cs.umass.edu    University of Massachusetts at Amherst
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Looking for SLIP for SGI IRIX
From: dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:32:54 -0400
Organization: NRL SPACE SYSTEMS DIVISION

Hi guys,

	Im a new SGI IRIS (r3000) user and we need a version of SLIP
for irix.  Does anyone know where I can ftp one?  THe Iris came with a slip 
man-page, but no binary...

Thanks for any help :),
-- 
Doug Dyer   *    STI   *    dyer@nrlvax.nrl.navy.mil    | "(2B) | !(2B) -> ?"
DISCLAIMER:  These are my opinions, and not necessarily |  LOWLY SHOPKEEPER,  
those of STI, NRL,  and most likely you too.            | WHERE IS YOUR PEZZ!
--------------------------------------------------------+---------------------
From: n303bn@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jason Rosson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Animation and Genlock questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:55:48 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu


 SGI people,

  I'm new to SGI's and to unix.  My boss just got a used Indigio with the
 GR2-Elan board.  Since he doesn't have internet access he wanted me to
 find out a few things.  He wants to do some type of computer animation,
 but does he need a VTR?  Or is there some way to play the frames fast
 enough without one.  Secondly, how does the genlock port on the back
 of the machine function.  Does it go in, out or both ways?  Is the
 hardware necessarily installed just because the port is there?  When
 I try to use the Genlock Confidence Test it tells me I have no hardware
 or software is not setup.  Thanks for any help to this strugglin
 beginner.

 - Jason
 n303bn@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Elm 2.4PL20 -- listalias problem
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:47:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. Oceanography

I've just installed elm 2.4, PL 20, and find that listalias just hangs.
Anyone have any ideas bout this?

Yes, I've run newalias and newalias -g, and elm itself reads the aliases
fine.  Just listalias is a problem.

If anyone else has experience with 2.4 that they'd like to share it
would be appreciated.  We were happy with 2.3, but had to upgrade when
we needed to use aliases with embedded = signs.  I hope the listalias
problem is the only one we have to deal with!
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Frustrated with SGI support..
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:12:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1993Jan4.135133.29053@erenj.com> srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:

| In article <1992Dec31.121923.27476@bernina.ethz.ch>, hoesel@igc.ethz.ch (Frans van Hoesel) writes:
| |> The support of SGI can be very good at times. The best support comes
| |> from the net and all the fine people working at SGI (I think without
| |> it, I *would* get frustrated, but it is a good thing that SGI
| |> employers are allowed to take the time to answer the questions on the
| |> net. If the questions asked are specific enough, the answers are
| |> to the point, correct, and up to date.
| |> 
| |> Reading the news and making notes of the messages has been proven very
| |> helpful to me.
| |> 
| 
| Shhhhh, you folks! If we don't keep quiet about this unauthorized help, SGI's 
| management will catch on sooner or later, and assign their hotline people 
| to answer questions on the net too, so you can get the high quality help 
| you're accustomed to on the phone line!!! :-)

SGI management (at all levels, as far as I can tell), is *quite* aware
of how much our customers use comp.sys.sgi, etc. for help, and how much
the appreciate it (as are most of the folks in customer support).

In fact, management at SGI encourages us to answer questions on the
net (except when we get carried away about leaking unannounced
product info!), even if our responses are sometimes negative about
some aspect of the company.

You may have noticed that there are in fact at least a few customer
support people who answer questions in comp.sys.sgi and other places
(not officially, but on their own time).

I know the followup had a smiley, but since there are companies that
strongly discourage their employees from answering questions on the
net, I though it was worth following up.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: coizi01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (N. Zimmermann)
Subject: SCSI floppy disk on INDIGO: Why is it so slooow? 
Summary: Floppy disk on Iris Indigo is too slow
Keywords: INDIGO, floppy, SCSI
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:08:46 GMT

We have an R3000 Indigo and are relatively satisfied with it,
except a few things: The SCSI floppy is *VERY* slow with data
rates of about 5-6K/sec. Is any newer SCSI system software 
available, that speeds up floppy read/write to *normal* data
rates, which are (please correct me, if I'm wrong) about
40-100 K/s for MSDOS machines?? Or is it just the drive
hardware, which seems to be a bottleneck in data throughput?
Any help is appreciated.

Norbert Zimmermann
Institut of Organic Chemistry
NMR subdivision
Auf der Morgenstelle 18 
7400 Tuebingen
Germany
From: mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Starting applications as icons
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:09:53 GMT
Reply-To: mikey@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1ick60INNbo1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, steve@pitacat.math.cwru.edu (Steven H. Izen) writes:
|> I would like to have several X applications start up as icons.  Xwsh has
|> an -iconic option built in, but other applications do not.  I vaguely
|> remember reading in some manual that it is possible to specify some
|> resource to do this, but I have been unable to locate the reference.

It depends on the application.  Any Xt-based application (e.g. Xaw,
Motif) will accept -iconic and recognize the *iconic resource (e.g.
-xrm "*iconic: true").  Other applications may or may not work
depending on their widget set and command-line option handling.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                 Mike Yang        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
               mikey@sgi.com           415/390-1786
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: brett@surfpix.princeton.edu (Brett Borowski)
Subject: Using (setting up) a 9 track tape drive (?)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:56:22 GMT


Howdy!

  I have a 9-track tape drive that I'd like to get working  under 4.0.5.
It used to work on the machine that was running 3.3, but that has since
been upgraded.  Everything works except for the variable block size stuff.
There is no device in /dev/mt to accomodate it.  I saw Dave Olsen's
earlier post, but I need some more specifics.  Here are the details
about the drive (from mt stat):

Controller:  SCSI
Device: HP: 88780                A657
Status: 0x20266
Drive type: unknown
Media: READY, write protected, at BOT      (I have a tape in right now...)

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Brett
-- 
brett@surfpix.princeton.edu		(Finger for more info...)
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From: frog@charles.ucdavis.edu (Wayne Jackson 753-5636)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: ARTISTIC software wanted
Keywords: animation, 3-D graphics
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:29:49 GMT
Followup-To: swjackson@ucdavis
Organization: Department of Music, UCDavis
Originator: frog@charles.ucdavis.edu

Hello!

	I'd like to propose the purchase of several Indigo Elan workstations to
our local Art Department, but I'm not sure what software to advise them to buy.
Given a software budget of (merely) $5000, I am interested in the following in
order of prioity:

	2D color paint programs
	2D image enhancement programs (similar to PhotoLab)
	Animation & multimedia packages
	2D drawing programs
	3D rendering software (preferably with modeling usable by people 
		ordinarily very insecure with computers)
	Word processors and that ilk

If you could help with any information, if you can suggest any particular packages
and name prices, if you would like to learn what I find, (or if you work for SGI
and would like to send me a software catalog)...I would appreciate hearing from you.

	Please send email to <swjackson@ucdavis.edu> as I can't keep up with this 
group.  If there is sufficient interest I will summarize to the net.

Many thanx -	Wayne Jackson
		UNIX System Manager
		Department of Music, UCDavis
From: edx@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Help compiling gcc2.3.3
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:49:44 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Has anyone successfully compiled
gcc 2.3.3 on an Indigo (Irix 4.0.5F)?
When I try attempt a make, things
bomb out with this error:

cpp: error /usr/include/syms.h:102: Can't find include file cmplrs/stsupport.h

Obviously the syms.h file is trying to
include a file that is nowhere to be
found on our system.  Where is stsupport.h?

Thanks.

Howard Cole
edx@cc.usu.edu
From: ashish@eng.umd.edu (Ashish Nedungadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Delete Key doesn't work
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:59:57 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: ashish@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


Hello,
	This is the scenario:

	I rlogin into the SGI machine from a SUN 4 machine.  In the SGI window,
I cannot use the <Delete> key.  Instead what happens is that that prompt skips 
to the next (sort of like hitting the <Return> key, except no command is executed).
The only key I can use to delete or backspace, is the <Back Space> key.  This is
frustrating because the key I am used to is the <Delete> key.

	How can I resolve this problem? Is it a matter of setting some environment
on the SGI side which accepts the <Delete> key?  On the SGI, I only have the 
<Back Space> and on the SUN terminal I have both <Back Space> and <Delete> keys.
Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.  BTW the SGI is running IRIX 4.0.5F.

	You can send responses to my e-mail address.

Thanks!

-- Ashish

==============================================================================
                  |  Dept. of Aerospace Engineering  |  (301) 405 - 1153
Ashish Nedungadi  |  University of Maryland          |  ashish@eng.umd.edu
                  |  College Park, MD 20742          |
==============================================================================
-- 
-- Ashish

==============================================================================
                  |  Dept. of Aerospace Engineering  |  (301) 405 - 1153
From: rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Logout w/o confirm window
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:40:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: fangio.asd.sgi.com

ashish@eng.umd.edu (Ashish Nedungadi) writes:
>	I hope the Subject says it all.  Basically I want to be able to logout
>without having to confirm it in the confirm window that pops up.  

The easiest way to do this is to run:

	"/usr/bin/X11/xprop -root -remove _SGI_SESSION_PROPERTY"

Things'll come down quicky.

If you use your own .xsession file, you'll want to mimic the bottom of 
/usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsessions ("exec /usr/bin/X11/reaper") for this to work.

...robert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Timeslave bug?
From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: doelz@urz.unibas.ch
Organization: EMBnet Switzerland [BASEL]   

In article <uf8kpe8@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.140318.29296@erenj.com>, srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:
|> > I get the following message in my SYSLOG every 4 minutes:
|> > 
|> > Jan  4 09:00:33 rufus timeslave[121]: recvfrom(date read): Connection refused
|> > 
|> > I'm trying to get the time from a host on our site that is slaved to a real
|> > internet time server. The host on our site is serving many many hosts with 
|> > no problem, but all SGI systems get this error. Apparently I'm getting the
|> > correct time, but the "Connection refused" comes from trying to get the
|> > date (according to our internet guru)
|> > ...
|> 
|> 
|> This particular "bug" is in your other host, not timeslave.
|> 

Are you positive that you are talking the same tongue? As Vernon points 
out, "time"  is a UDP protocol, and internet timesync is usually done 
with (x)ntp. However, a solution for you might be to run xntp on one of 
the SG boxes and have the others share it with time. 
(That is what works here). At the time I was setting up xntp here I had the
same error message and found that some competitor boxes come with ntp 
as time sync mechanism, so as people said that they are synced they 
automatically referred to ntp instead of time. 

Regards 
Reinhard 


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