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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Announcement

>Since its all over.  The CMA awards is what I was talking about.  I hope that
>all turned in to see Acky Breaky Heart get Single of the Year.

"Acky Breaky Heart", eh? Is that the new tune by Billy and the Boingers?

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-Adam
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:34:31 CST
From:         Titivillus <T9AA@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: longest song title ever???

Several Species of Small Furry Animals bathered together in a cave and
grooving with a Pict, by Pink Floyd off Ummagumma

Dave
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:50:49 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Blues Series

On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:34:16 EDT <WK7@CORNELLC> said:
>Hold it - I was just given access to the University's Libraries Catalogs,
>and I looked up Muddy Waters and it's called " Muddy Mississippi Waters
>Live". Heh guys - this is great !! There are 12 Muddy Waters listings here,
>11 sound recordings, and 1 visual, and I can borrow them with my ID card.
>Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.......
I have the Live album you speak of and it's very good, Johnny got the ultimate
sound for Muddy, although i like the raw sound of "rare and Unissiued" album
that Muddy has. You just can't say enuff about Muddy, or about Johnny for
that matter................L. "blues-infested" W.
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:13:12 EDT Michelle May said:
>Oh, Jesus. . .
>
>Can you guys get offa this blues thing?  Or take it over to private e-mail?
>Unless there are those allmusicers that like reading a juicy fight.  However,
>most of us can see that this is pointless--Leonard, however wrong he may be,
>thinks the blues is god, Gary thinks metal is god, and the Bloomster has
>another excuse to post 200-line entries on the net.  ENOUGH ALREADY!!
I agree (but blues is not the only music, sorry if i gave that impression)
>New thread:
>Can someone tell me if it's worth subscribing to the Columbia CD club?  You
>know, the one where you buy 10 CD's for a penny?  I know you have to buy more
>within a certain time frame; overall, is it worth it?  The CD prices run
>between $11 and $15--I'd kind of like the convenience of ordering by mail. . .
I have been in one of these clubs and had good success, it was years ago
and the club was BMG what i noticed about some albums was that they were
manufactured by BMG with permission and i think the quality was not as good
as the original, but this could have been my imagination, and CD's would
probally be fine. I have a friend in the columbia cd club and the only
complaint he has was selection (he's a blues fan). I'd say do it, if the
selections are what your looking for.....
>Michelle "getting a headache" May
hope your headache gets better........L.W.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:11:56 MEZ
From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Best TV program this weekend

SWELTON at ESOC said:
>At times for music it's not bad, Ohne Filter is shown most weeks on the
>'3rd' channel, i.e. HR 3, NR 3, Bayern 3, etc. Last night it was the turn
>of Tower of Power. On Hessen 3 each week is Music Magazin which is either
>a live concert or a magazine style format (this is where I managed to record
>Peter Hammill in concert.) There's also Live von der Schlacthof and Live von
>der Nachtwerk, both of which I believe are syndicated through the '3rd'
>Channel. And shortly on either ZDF or ARD at about 14:15 they will be showing
>Miles Davis' last concert in Paris. Oh, and don't forgot AFN which shows such
>amazing programmes as Casey Kasem, MTV awards, Soul Train, etc.

 OK, it's not so bad if you include the periferal channels like AFN, MTV,
Austria 2's X-Large and NightLine (my personal favourite), etc. But, here
near Munich, if you restrict yourself just to the German stations then what
ARD, ZDF and Bayern 3 offer is pretty miserable. In fact none of them has
a regular weekly music program! (The nearest that they got was that
terrible Formal Eins attempt at Top of the Pops - do you remember it?)

Paul
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:34:58 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

>On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:14:00 EST <JBRIN@WNEC> said:
>>                                                Electronic Music is an
>>oxymoron.
>Just like "JBRIN@WNEC the rational conversationalist."
>Rick

omigod Rick... we've been hangin out together much too long... we're starting
to think alike... oh... the horror!

This meaningless two-line message brought to you by,
Carol the bored.
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
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Subject:      Re: Jeff's Hand Problem

>  This is addressed to the guitar players; the rest of you might as well
>take in a movie or grab a cup of java... see ya on the other side of this
>post, eh?
>
>  I guess the combination of aging and the lack of long playing sessions
>over the last few years is finally starting to take its toll... it seems
>my hand strength and endurance is slowly fading.
[etc....]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but hey...Do you sleep with your
(or someone else's) head resting on your hand? I had trouble like you describe.
I couldn't grip a doorknob enough to open a door. This pain would last all day
long. Solution: I broke up with my girlfriend. She stopped sleeping on my hand
and my problem was gone. 8)

-Adam
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:31:50 EDT
From:         TEICHROE@NET2.EOS.UOGUELPH.CA
Subject:      REVIEW

SET ALLMUSIC REVIEW
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:00:37 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: yes, but...

>Posted on 1 Oct 1992 at 10:43:46 by Paul Hosken
>
>RE: yes, but...
>
>Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:40:54 MEZ
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>From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
>
>jcs,
>
>  Who was that again - Rod Stewert, Stuart or Stewart?  I thought you
>were talking about the other one.
>
>Paul

I have no idea what you are talking about. Downtown Train is a song
written by Tom Waits and appears on some stupid rod stewart record,
I don't know if Waits wrote it for him or not. now. what was your
question?

jcs
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:41:21 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Another Reminder

We are working on pointless list number 738 on
ALLMUSIC, and y'all need to be a part of it.

So, if you haven't done it yet (a bunch of you
already have, but there are some slackers....)

Send a list of your favorite classical pieces,
along with your favorite opera, to me or the
list.

We've got a pretty eclectic bunch, so we need
a bunch of voters.

                    -Tim
                     ST402711 at BROWNVM
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:52:48 EDT
From:         musical bridges <ST102397@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Extreme/Nuno

All I can say is that the new Extreme CD hasn't been out of my Cd player
since tues morning when I got it. It is so awesome I can't even describe
it.
    Nuno is so great.
                     Mick
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:42:53 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Gene Autry

According to NPR this morning:

          Gene Autry is 85 today.

Know You Know.

-Scott "I Have a Soft Spot for Singing Cowboy Films" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:01:35 -0400
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
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Subject:      Progressive

Ilia says:
>Hello!
>I came from Russia very-very recently and my friends there listen mostly
>to old progressive staff, like King Crimson. Does anybody here care
>about that kind of music?

Yes. I like many of the older progressive bands such as King Crimson, Yes,
Genesis (70's), Emerson, Lake & Palmer, etc.. There are several other
progressive music lovers on this list too (Gary & John! Wake up!).

What would you like to discuss?

-Adam
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Still my ignorance shows its face...

Just a (probably silly) question from the usual non-native English speaker:

        Re the last Gabriel's album, the song "Steam" contains a sentence like:

"You know your ladder from your snake"

        I know that there is a game called "Snakes and Ladder" and is quite
popular amnog English kids, but I don't know anything about its rules. Can
anyone explain what this sentence means?

        Thanks in advance!

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:44:45 CST
From:         "(Jinn S. Yang)" <v30yjs@V0SUN2.CCL.ITRI.ORG.TW>
Subject:      Kayak

Hi. Recently I hear a band from my friend.
There's not much information I can get, only knowing its name :'Kayak'.
Is there anybody knowing this band? The keyboardist seems to play an
important role in that band. I like their style but can't find anything.
The songs I have are :Startlight dancer,May,Seagull ...
If you know anything about 'Kayak',please response.
Thanks a lot.
-Yjs
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:17:44 CDT
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      odds and ends...

Ok, gang.
I haven't been on here because of schoolwork, but I'm back
for a little while.  I have a situation for you.
Advice would be appreciated.
-----
Three weeks ago (Sept. 10, 1992) I ordered an Emerson Piccolo
from a company in Indiana, which I've dealt with before.
This company is cordial to customers, and really knows woodwind
instruments.  Chris (A guy who works for this company) sent
out my piccolo by UNITED PARCEL SERVICE the day he got my
check.  That was on TUESDAY OF LAST WEEK.
NOTE:  My package = an Emerson Piccolo worth $400.00.
This "Package" was supposed to arrive here YESTERDAY
(SEPT. 28).
It's been three weeks since I placed my order with the Woodwind.
-----
I have a good feeling that UPS has LOST my package, or that
they have shipped it to Timbucktu Egypt by now.
I'm considering a trace on it, which the Woodwind is required
to do if something they ship gets lost.
-----
If the instrument isn't in my hands by Friday morning?
UPS is in a world of hurt...
They can't screw around with a package THAT EXPENSIVE an d
expect the person who's ordered it to be happy.

Once again... what do I do?
Theresa

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:51:49 EDT
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      more blues

Sorry to bug you all again, but I just did a look up on the library system
here I've just found out how to do and there are 329 entries under the
heading blues. Man, am I ever gonna be busy. This is great !!

Heh Carol, I think I'm approaching a dangerous mental and physical turgidity
over this - I figured you'd understand.

                                           ... walt ...
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:09:26 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Albert Ayler
              30 Sep 1992 15:11:00 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I'm not as true an Aylerophile as Jeff is, but I can answer a couple of
Sonia's questions at least. (Helps to have the New Grove Dictionary of Jazz
about 35 feet from my desk. It's OK, I have long arms and a set of binoculars.)
>
> so Ayler kind of appeared "out of the blue" ("out of nowhere")? what was his
>inspiration?  he seems like a kind of solitary genius
>somewhere I read (I think) that Ayler was fairly unappreciated at the time and
>disappeared or deteriorated .... how long did his career last? didn't he go to
>Europe?  I suppose I could look him up in a book if all else fails...

Ayler born '36...played in R & B bands in teens, including Little Walter and
his Jukes at age 16...1959-1962: in army bands...while stationed in Paris
played in local clubs 1961-62...led a bop trio in Sweden for 8 months in '62
after army discharge...played with Cecil Taylor in Copenhagen, winter '62-63...
.moved to NY in '63, still playing now & then with C. Taylor...formed group
mentioned by Jeff, with Don Cherry, Gary Peacock, Sunny Murray in summer 1964
and toured Europe with it till the end of that year...studio & club dates in
NY 1965-1968...Newport jazz fest 1966...another Europe tour Nov. '66..."new
rhythm-and-blues groups", 1969-1970...another tour in Europe in fall of 1970...
and a mysterious death shortly afterwards: on November 5, 1970 he's reported
missing, and his body is recovered 20 days later in the East River.

A relevant quote from the entry: "Ayler was never to find a steady audience
for his radical music -- his group appeared perhaps only 3 times in 1965 --
and, although his albums were well received by the critics, he remained poor.
He made no effort to clarify his music for his listeners, actively discouraging
musical interpretations of his recordings and instead stressing their social
and spiritual issues; the inconsistent and confusing titles of his pieces
further obscured his work."

The entry implies that Ayler's post '65 work might be more accessible -- he
shifed more towards thematic statements rather than collective improvisation
in his later recordings, probably to appease some of the record companies
who thought his stuff wasn't selling enough. But it also mentions that the
late R & B material is somewhat dull. Go figure.

Happy October,
Rick
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:23:21 EDT
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Subject: Re: Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!

1. Billy Ray Cyrus
2. Garth Brooks
3. Pam Tillis
4. Vince Gill
5. Reba McEntire
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:39:06 GMT

I would appreciate it very much if whoever is in charge would subscribe me
to this service.  Thank you in advance.

																														Jeremy K. Heilman

"Castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually." - Hendrix
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:53:36 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      diva eating

Russ, the incorrigable said:

>I've heard a tape of M and his buddies from the early 70's, and it makes
>me feel like Pavarotti.  Truely wretched singing.  HA! I just imagined
>a duet:  Marmaduke and Sinead.  But what would they sing........

Alright!  That's enough from you!  I wonder if FTD will allow me to wire a
bouquet of spankings to NH?   Blah!  You're a bully!  ;*)

>Carol wants to know about the new Sinead O'Connor album. Me too--I haven't yet
>heard it. But the review in Musician magazine is kinda frosty. O'Connor's
>latest is a batch of covers of standards such as "Black Coffee," "How
>Insensitive," "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered", and, perhaps most
>inexplicably, "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" from Evita. Not an original tune
>in the heap, I'm afraid. Here's a few excerpts from Musician's scathing
>review: "Not since Bob Dylan's universally maligned Self Portrait has a major
>rock artist miscalculated so thoroughly in reaching for outside material...
>she just sleepwalks her way through whispery renditions... she DOES TOO want
>what she hasn't got--namely, the chops to carry off classic pop and jazz
>standards in an unadulteratedly traditional style.... O'Connor's vocal vamping
>recalls nothing so much as the surly side of Helen Reddy."

Ew!  Ew!  The surly side of Helen Reddy!  Gack!  That's as bad as calling
Enya's music pig swill... but then again... we all know that rock critics are a
pretentious bunch of assholes, eh?  *mahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha*

>Not that I stake my tastes on critical reviews, but this has me hesitant on
>purchasing the new O'Connor. (Maybe I should wait till it comes out on vinyl).
>Anyone have a more positive reaction to it?

A dead poet friend of mine picked it up... I'll bug again him for a review...

>And what prompts a talented singer/songwriter to put out an album of standards
>if it's not quite in their league to do so? Are they all Sarah Vaughan
>wannabees? Should we blame Linda Ronstadt? Rickie Lee Jones? Elvis Costello
>(in the country mode)? Am I asking dumb questions? Will you ignore this post
>altogether?

Hmmm good question... My conjecture: they're bored... and not getting laid...

Someone give me something to do... I feel like singing old Moody Blues
covers...

Nightzzzzzzz in white satinnnnnnnnnnnnn,
Carol
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:57:29 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: female blues singer

>I love Etta, KokO, Bonnie, Janis and would love
>to play behind any of them ( except Bonnie don't need me) but I really
>don't like female singers too much, except for the Blues that you mentioned
>and of course a few others. We're not talking about a Black Female blues
>singer that's what i prefer (nothing racial here, so don't start), but how many
>really good white female blues singers have you heard i could name one or two
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, as a matter of fact, you named 2 above (Bonnie and Janis) to match the
 2 black ones (Etta and Koko).  I won't push the issue, but there is something
racial there.

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:11:00 CDT
From:         DS_GILKESON@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      CMA

>>7.  Is it just me, or has the line between schlocky country music and schlocky
>>    pop music gotten way fuzzy recently?
>
>I've noticed in the past few years that all the charts Black/pop/country
>are fuzzy and the same songs appear on all in some cases. I would suggest
>everyone just listen to jazz/blues and leave the toy-songs to the people
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't care much for the blues -ever so sorry not to go along with your
suggestion.

>who just 'hear' the music instead of "listen" i think you know what i
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I don't think _I_ know what
you mean. I've been involved with various types of music for years starting
with the piano then ending up with vocals and flute. I believe I "listen" to
(aka "feel") all types of music. Once again, generalizations are being made
about a "type" of music. I can't stand the achey breaky butt song, but there
are some fine vocalists and musicians in the C&W business.

(and, yes, Wynonna has become quite the porker but she has a heck of a great
voice)

>mean ....L. "kinda-fiesty-today" W.

Susan
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:48:32 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      female blues singer

  Hey, Leonard, you've got the opportunity to have an attractive woman
sing for your band, and you don't want her because you "don't like the idea
of a blues band with a female singer"?  You're nuts, if you don't mind me
saying so.  Where do you live, are you in Alabama?  Too bad, 'cuz if you
(or she actually) was up here in the east, I'd ask you for her phone number.

  Female blues!  What a concept, eh?  Ever hear of Billie Holiday, Koko
Taylor, Etta James...Bonnie Raitt for that matter.

  I thought you were in a country band anyway.  Was that someone else?

Russ
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Date: 3 Oct 1992 10:18:46 GMT
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  Two quick comments about the CMA: Wynona was rockin'. I mean there
*was* *no* *country* music, save her Ashland accent, in that tune she did
that night, and I defy anyone to say otherwise. The other comment: Mary
Chapin-Carpenter is great. And I'm not so sure she's playing country, but
she has the country attitude.
  Why, you might ask, was "n.n." even in a position to say these things?
Hey, I was in Ashland that night and every TV in town was tuned in (of 
course... they had to see if Willy Faye was gonna sweep it). When that
disgusting song won that award, you could hear telephones ringing all
over the neighborhood... sheesh. Only in America!
  Gee, in a few days we have Travis Twit playing here at MSU. Some people
here have taken to calling him the "anti-Cyrus," 'cause he supposedly made
some disparaging remarks about Willy Faye and his marketed rise to fame.
All I know is I'm not goin' within 1000 yards of the AAC that night...
buncha goofy rednecks'll be blastin' that crap out their pickup trucks
all night long, ugh...

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:14:46 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      sleeping habits

  Yeah, Jeff, you might want to pay attention to where your arm/hand ends
up when you're sleeping.  I recently woke up to what felt like a separated
shoulder.  I couldn't move my arm, I could barely get out of bed, or even
out of a chair.  Big time hurt.  Lasted 3 days.  Turns out I was putting
my arm under my head when I was sleeping, and stretching the muscles of my
neck/back/shoulder out in a bad way.  It's easy to do, and common, I guess.
Ice packs, btw, cured it.

Russ
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