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From: N.Davis@lut.ac.uk (Neil Davis)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Any problems with fix-17?
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:58:03 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Date: 1 Sep 92 12:01:43 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.120143.15600@lut.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

I have just installed fix-17 for the X11R5 server, and as far as I can tell,
I have followed the instructions to the letter.......

Unfortunately, now when I start the server, all my client start and then the server crashes! As the clients start up, I noticed that the mouse  is 'stuck'
to the screen.

So, here's what dbx has to say about the core image:

dbx /usr/bin/X11/Xsun.FCS core
Reading symbolic information...
Read 3958 symbols
program terminated by signal SEGV (no mapping at the fault address)
(dbx) where
MouseAccelerate() at 0x4e88
sunMouseEnqueueEvent() at 0x5020
sunEnqueueEvents() at 0x3798
SigIOHandler() at 0x2294
_sigtramp() at 0xf7732c4c
DetailSupersedesSecond() at 0x1d4e8
GrabMatchesSecond() at 0x1d5e4
AddPassiveGrabToList() at 0x1d76c
ProcGrabKey() at 0x19fa4
Dispatch() at 0x301a4
main() at 0x1e32c
(dbx) 

My configuration is as follows:

	SS1 + SunOS4.1.2 + X11R5 (pl 16) [working!]
	                 + X11R5 (pl 17) [ NOT working ]


Does anybody have any suggestions (polite please!)
Regards
Neil (D)
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:49:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:56:09 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.145609.17818@dcatlas.dot.gov>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors


Whose desk is clean enough, 100% (or close) of the time in order to use a
Rat?  Some tasks require the keyboard anyway, so it isn't as if you can
exchange one input device completely for the other.
I'm content to use the DOS command line for my work.  I can work the way
I want to, not the way some gooey writer wants me to.  When the [graphics]
application calls for it, I'll clear a space for my Rat, but otherwise the
keyboard suits me just fine.

That's another nice feature of DESQview; it can be operated without being
within AUs of a Rat, including window placement, cut & paste, etc.

-JTT
From: jcc@ecos.unh.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Please Unsubscribe me.
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:44:08 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <9209012113.AA12328@ecos.unh.edu>
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:13:38 -0400
X-Mts: smtp


I now have access to mxrn, so please unsubscribe me.

Many thanks.
From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:06:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: matis!amir@scslwide.sony.co.jp (Amir Katz)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help! I can't rebuild X11R5
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:10:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: SEE Technologies Ltd.

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 10:30:01 IDT
Message-Id: <9208300730.AA06805@simpson.turtles>
Reply-To: matis!matis.ingr.COM!amir@scslwide.sony.co.jp
X-Reply-To: amir@matis.ingr.COM
X-Mailer: Emacs 18.58 sendmail [BPL]

Xperts,
I'm desperate. I've installed patches 13-17, and the XIDLE extension, and
rebuilt the full release. When I bring it up, after a minute or so, the
server dies. I assumed that XIDLE is to blame, so I removed the extension
and tried to rebuild. Now I'm getting errors when I'm build ANY executable.
For example: 

making all in ./extensions/test...
rm -f shapetest
cc -o shapetest shapetest.o -L/usr/lang/SC1.0  -pipe
   -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext  -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/lib    
ld: /usr/lib/libXt.so.4.10: rd_shsb: can't open shared library /usr/lib/libXt.so.4.10
Compilation failed
gmake[3]: *** [shapetest] Error 4

I get the same error for all executables.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not defined, and as far as I can tell, in this
simple-minded case, shapetest.c does not use any toolkit stuff, so why does
it want to access libXt?
I typed 'ldconfig' to no avail. I made the libXt.so.* executable - also no
help here:
  -rw-r--r--  1 root       428374 Aug 28 10:09 /lib/libXt.a
  -rw-r--r--  1 root         5398 Aug 28 10:09 /lib/libXt.sa.4.10
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root       385024 Aug 28 10:09 /lib/libXt.so.4.10*

I'm using Sun's native C compiler, on a Sun SS1+ w/SunOS 4.1.2. 

Before I restore X11R5 from tape, re-apply patches 1-12 and rebuild, does
anyone have an idea?

Help!!

Thanks in advance,
-- 
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/* ............ Solaris 2.0 - The Final Frontier ? ........... */
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Rotatable Scalable fonts (or any subset please)
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:28:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Date: 2 Sep 92 16:55:14 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.175514.2391@lsl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi Folks,

A few weeks ago someone posted some stuff about scaled rotatable fonts. I 
think it was Hersey fonts. So I ignored it. Now my boss is asking about such
stuff and I'd like it very much. Could someone please tell me where to get the
stuff from. Looks like I'll finally have to find a site to FTP from, got to
lose your virginity sometime I suppose :-)

Thank you
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

Interviewer: "What's the most satisfying thing about being in
              The Sisters Of Mercy?"
Eldritch:    "When I collapse at the end of it..."
Interviewer: "Do you mean that?"
Eldritch:    "Yeah...."

Vote for Bill Clinton. Vote for Bill Clinton. Vote for Bill Clinton.
From: dbw@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.b.wood)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xterm popup menu strangeness
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:00:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: AT&T

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:29:50 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.172950.1002@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

On my xterm (direct from the X11R5 distribution) the popup menus don't
work correctly.  All I get with ctrl-leftbutton is a little box big
enough for the "Main" title, and nothing else.  The other two popups
do the same thing, except no text at all.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Dave Wood dbw@germany.att.com
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:10:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

Date: 1 Sep 92 06:10:45 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.021045.29124@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.misc,comp.human-factors


In article <YANDROS.92Sep1003712@j-g-ballard.MIT.EDU>,
yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown) writes:
>
> a freind and I spent several minutes the other day sitting at
>a Mac II running System 7 trying to find out how to do some
>straightforward manipulations from the keyboard, and managed to find a
>suggested binding that required use of keys on boths sides of the
>keyboard IN CONJUNCTION WITH the mouse...  so much for User Interface

Sounds like you need a one-handed keyboard.  Check out the Half-QWERTY
software demo's available for DOS and Mac.  You can get them via
anonymous FTP from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu in the /pub/1handkbd directory.

DISCLAIMER:  I invented this keyboard design and own a majority share in
the company.  Still, it is a good interface and no special hardware is 
required.  Worth a look...

Edgar
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Date: 25 Aug 92 21:52:23 GMT
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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:19:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Donna Converse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: want generic resource to override specific application resource
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:22:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9209011801.AA29998@excess.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 14:01:17 EDT


> #  i have the following in my .Xresource (that i load with xrdb):
> #
> #	*vt100.translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: string(0x1b) insert()
> #
> #  however, while this works on the dec, it doesn't work on the hp
> #  unless i place a leading "xterm" on the line.  on the hp,
> #  /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm has:
> #
> #	XTerm*VT100.Translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: insert-seven-bit()

The first resource manager matching rule applies to this situation, and 
that rule is:

	An entry that contains a matching component (whether name, class
	or the character "?") takes precedence over entries that elide
	the level (that is, entries that match the level in a loose
	binding.)

The character "?" is new in R5 and does not apply to this problem.  An 
asterisk is a loose binding.   According to this rule, the translations
resource from the HP site app-defaults file for xterm will take precedence
over your example resource, because yours has a leading asterisk which
is a loose binding.

> #  what do i need to do to get the translations listed initially to work on
> #  the hp?

Give a resource specification that will take precedence over the one in
the HP site app-default file, such as:

    XTerm*vt100.translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: string(0x1b) insert()


Another person wrote:

> report the bug to hp.  Their Xrm routines are broken.

No, it is not the Xrm routines that are broken.  Application developers
should note that it is important for users to be able to easily specify
resources that can take precedence over ones given in the application's
site app-defaults file.   Resources in the applications site app-defaults
file should be specified with class, not instance names, whenever possible,
and with loose bindings rather than tight bindings whenever possible.
Also, since the resources in an application's site app-defaults file
are always applied only to that application class, such as XTerm, it is
usually unnecessary to provide the class name of the application as a
leading element of the resource.  That's the point that applies here;
the vendor could have shipped

*vt100.translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: string(0x1b) insert()

instead of this:

XTerm*vt100.translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: string(0x1b) insert()

in the site app-defaults file for XTerm.  Taking out the leading XTerm
now would be fine, except you'd have to think about compatibility with
existing users' resources -- will taking it out affect user resources
that depend on that level of specificity?


Donnna Converse
MIT X Consortium
From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: gcc 2.2 and R5 question
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:18:50 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany

Date: 26 Aug 92 06:37:57 GMT
Message-Id: <17f8s5INNmhu@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <9208251524.AA25011@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.EDU
(Lisa Dawes, Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Alabama-Huntsville) writes:
|> I just compiled X11R5 with gcc 2.2 on my Sun Sparc with SunOS 4.1.1.
|> I was wondering if anyone new the side affects of compiling the
|> shared libraries with gcc.  There is a warning saying that old 
|> X applications linked with cc will not work (they must have been
|> linked with gcc).  

The reason for this odd behaviour is that the gcc compiled shared libraries
call a function ___builtin_saveregs which is expected to reside in the main
program. However, cc compiled programs do not comprise this function, and
consequently they will crash upon the function call. - Doing it the other
way is fine: gcc compiled programs work well with cc generated shared
libraries.

If you have a gcc-only environment you won't have any problems. (Well, at
least not this one.)


|> Are there any benefits of compiling the libraries with gcc?

Gcc optimizes much better than cc - your libraries will be considerably
smaller. Whether the gcc generated code is in general faster, too, I have
not estimated.


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From: laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: OpenWindows with Xsun instead of xnews server?
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:26:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Loyola University Chicago

Date: 26 Aug 92 01:16:36 GMT
Message-Id: <9208260116.AA26424@dedekind.math.luc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x

I wrote:
> I have been running OpenWindows on a Sun ELC, and the performance is
> horrific, especially when using olvwm.  I decided to switch back to
> plain X11, but using what's already there in the OpenWin installation.
> In other words, I want to run the X11 subset of the OpenWin
> installation by replacing the slow xnews server by the fast Xsun
> server.  I got an Xsun binary and am able to start up X under twm, but
> as soon as I start any xview-based program, I get the following
> messages:
> 
> XView warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
> XView warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
> XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package)
> 
> I understand the font-related messages, but not the one related to the
> server.  Moreover, when I quit twm and try to start ol(v)wm, I get a
> segmentation fault.

After installing all the missing fonts, everything works fine!  I
don't understand what the missing fonts have to do with the server.  I
would estimate the subjective performance increase to about 500%, and
I was even running OW3 before, which is supposed to be considerably
faster than OW2.  To me, this tremendous performance increase
justifies doing without all the OpenWin-specific stuff, and I gladly
went back to FrameMaker/X, too.

Any comments are *still* appreciated.

-- 
-Konstantin
From: rob@csi.on.ca (Rob McAteer)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: HP-UX - building x clients - need imake, config files etc
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:07:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Carp Systems International

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:59:11 GMT
Message-Id: <rob.715463951@cod.csi.on.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

rob@csi.on.ca (Rob McAteer) writes:
yeesh, what happened there.... What I really wrote was
I am trying to build some x clients and widgets on a HP-UX 8.08 machine.
I think the machine has a standard (?) hp recommended install of x, but
I can't find any imake, config files, scripts etc.  
Should they be there?  If not, does anyone know how I can go about 
getting them?  I know there was a thread entitled something like "screwy 
X setup on hp-ux" a week or so ago but I had no idea... sorry if I'm
repeating...
Regards, Rob
-- 
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Carp Systems International                    Voice: (613) 592-5780
600 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 200                  Fax: (613) 592-0584
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From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Compile X11 under Solaris 2.0
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:38:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:47:07 PDT
Message-Id: <9209031847.AA02731@mtesol>


> 
> I am interested in building X11 (R4 or R5, server and clients) under
> Solaris 2.0 on a SPARCStation 1+ using Sun's unbundled ANSI compiler.
 .....................
> If anyone else has ported X11R4 or X11R5 to Solaris 2.0 I would
> appreciate any help.

 I have a very simple question. I don't quite understand what is at
issue here. It is my understanding that all Suns come with X11R4
out of the box. So , what is the need for all this porting Stuff?
Unless you need X11R5 , it seems that you should be able to 
use what Sun already provides!. What gives ????

 Sinan
From: taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Enter/Leave Events
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:23:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

Date: 26 Aug 92 18:31:04 GMT
Message-Id: <3278@tivoli.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I am having a problem with enter/leave events on
an X11R4 server.

I have window A with several children B, C, and D.

I enter window B getting a NotifyVirtual Enter event on A.
Thats fine.

I press the mouse, and issue an XGrabPointer call
(I need to change owner_events).
I get a LeaveNotify on A with NotifyGrab.  Fine.
I get an EnterNotify on A with NotifyUngrab.  Fine.
But now, when I move the mouse out of the window quickly
after the grab, I do not get any Leave event.

Am I dealing with a race condition, a server bug, or
a code problem?
From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:52:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: yooho@ursula.ic.cmc.ca (Yoo Ho Cho)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X on serial graphics terminals
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:42:32 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:51:46 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.165146.1958@venus.ic.cmc.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hello,

Has anyone out there set up X to run on an AED 767 ? Or on any other
serial graphics terminal ?

Yoo Ho Cho
From: allister@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Allister J. Gorman)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: ANSWER Re: Running X11R5 on a two headed Sun IPX
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:01:55 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Institute of Geophysics, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ

Date: 26 Aug 92 19:57:47 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.195747.4120@rata.vuw.ac.nz>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Thanks Folks, I have been sent an answer to this query already;

In article <1992Aug26.060133.4786@rata.vuw.ac.nz>, allister@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Allister J. Gorman) writes:
> We have a two headed Sun Sparc IPX and we are trying to get X11R5 running on
> both displays (/dev/cgsix0 and /dev/cgsix1).  We can get an X daemon running
> on /dev/cgsix0 with our default setup, but cannot find what options we need to
> use to run an X daemon on both screens.

The answer is;  get R5.Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z from your friendly ftp server
(e.g. export.lcs.mit.edu in the /contrib directory).  Thanks to 
George D M Ross <gdmr@dcs.edinburgh.ac.uk> and Kaleb Keithley
<kaleb@thyme.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> for their prompt replies.

Allister J. Gorman, <allister@gphs.vuw.ac.nz>
Part-time SysAdmin, Institute of Geophysics, Victoria University of Wellington,
Wellington, New Zealand.