HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: Gang related Public Service Announcement
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:55 EDT  

In article <77786@ut-emx.uucp>, larry8@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Larry ) writes...
> 
>There was an item on the evening news the other day about a controversial
>anti-gang ad that was being shown somewhere in Illinois (Evanston I think).
> 
>As best I remember, the ad went something like this:
>o
>	"If there was an Olympics for killing black people, this gang
>	would win the bronze medal" [picture of skinhead, with caption
>	indicating number of skinhead-related killings of black people,
>	I think it was about 120 over a period of about 20 years]
> 
>	"This gang would win the silver medal [picture of Klan member with 
>	caption indicating number of Klan-related killings of blacks,
>	approximately 250 over a period of about 30 years (1961-1991)]"
> 
>	"But *this* gang would win the gold medal" [picture of black 
>	dressed up as generic gang member, with caption indicating
>	number of blacks killed by black gangs, I think it was 
>	something like 18,000 over a twenty year period]

I was liking the ad until I got to the generic Black gang member.  Although,
we are well aware that we are killing our own people, I think that 18,000
is a gross exaggeration compared to the skinhead and the Klansman.

I half-way expected the last gang to be some representation of the government!

If the add really wants to be accurate, It should go back 400 years, not just
20.  This is an example of "shaping" statistics to "prove" false arguments. 
	
> 
>The ad closed with a group shot of the skinhead, the Klan guy, and
>the black gang member with a voiceover about avoiding gang membership.
>[this was a few days ago, and the details are kind of fuzzy]
> 
>Anyway, the controversy involved a disagreement between those who thought
>the ad conveyed its message powerfully, and those who thought the ad 
>suggested that all black men were violent.  

Obviously, I didnt actually see the ad but I dont think that it suggests that
all black men are violent.


Cass
>
From: eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Afrocentricity Conferences ??
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:08:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone out there know of any conferences on Afrocentric topics this
coming year??
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:39:36 GMT
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom (but I'm in Evanston, Illinois)

carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:

>What saddening is that there was a good discussion of Ms. Braun in
>here a while ago, which concerned things she'd said (or alledgedly
>said). That was a good discussion because it concerned her as a
>person, not a chip off some monolithic gender block.

Oh yeah, it's always very saddening to me when a Usenet subject gets
off the topic .. which only happens ABOUT 97 PERCENT OF THE TIME
YOU JUGHEAD.

Alex Kotlowitz, whose reputation is much more credible than mine,
wrote a front-page story in the WSJ (those of you with Dow Jones
service can of course download it if you're curious) about the 
political organization formed by a group of women who were appalled
and pissed by the Thomas-Hill hearings and decided they were going
to do something about it by running against the senators who'd
voted for confirmation.

Being a provincialist I don't remember the names of the out of staters,
but Carol M Braun is not alone, and being impatient with the Socratic
thesis-baiting you put my last essay through, I don't rightly give a
f--k to go to the effort of looking them up.

These women are getting elected because it's time they got elected.
Women I'm talking to agree (and even some men).  Go smoke *that,*
George Gallup.

-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com)    |     "It is probable that, after economic
Evanston, Illinois             |    stability, the greatest single desire
                               |    in this country is for a reduction in
Jeremiah 6:14                  |    paranoia."          -- Stanley Crouch
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 01:04:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ah, so you are beginning to catch on.  He is not the arbiter of valid
arguments but rather saying the same things over and over in different
ways.  What is saying now is no different then the folks in his areas
were saying 30-35 years ago.  

So America you say.  Well then Carter, within a radius of 110 miles of
you, how many of those private schools are still in operation.  Those
that came into being in the late 50's, early 60's because of the
school compilations.  How are those schools being supported and why?

I mean you are talking as if you live in a hotbed of social change
but I say to you nothing has changed.  Nothing, absolutely nothing...
--bob

***********************
bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:



>Au contraire, Franklin, you are hoist by your own petard if your figures
>are correct.  If there are 30 times as as many black people in the US as
>in Canada and there are 27 times as many employed black people in the US
>as in Canada, then black people in Canada are more likely to have jobs
>than they do in the US.  Review your algebra and stop claiming to be the
>arbiter of valid arguments.

You forgot welfare, WICS and Social Security. ONE THIRD of all of the
United States' monetary aid goes to black people. MUCH LESS than one
eighth of the United States is Black.
AMEEEERICA AMEEEERICA.......

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Black man wins popularity contest
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:10:28 GMT

In article <36784@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>,
djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>From today's Gainesville Sun:
>
>
>        ... A 1991 Gallup poll determined regular guys to be
>        down-to-earth, hard working, responsible, willing to lend a
>        hand, and honest.
>
>        Television's superdad Bill Cosby swept the regular guy ratings
>        with 42 percent of the votes.
>
>        [...]
>
>What do y'all suppose this means?
>
.
.
It just means that you might like black-inspired American culture,
and you might even like a few black TV or movie stars.  But by and
large, you may not even like black people...for themselves.
.
Polls like this are useless. Speaking for myself, they don't give me
even momentary relief or pride any more as a black sistah. Cosby
made it. So...?
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:26:12 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gay Belle Daniels) also writes:



>Black people are pampered in this country?  Stupidity reigns.

So shall I call you Queen Shatiqua Delvareesa Vaccumcleena?

>Let's face it folks.  This man is in love with his own words--a male
>Ms. Paglia. (For all of you know not in the know, Ms. Paglia is a
>now-famous anti-feminist who calls herself a feminist.  She says she
>is in a running battle with Susan Sontag and that she--Ms.
>Paglia--has been able to win each contest. The only thing is,
>you-all, she's winning by mirror.)  So it is with this character.


Just can't dispute my SOLID arguments backed up by SOLID STATISTICS.
(Some asshole has tried to say that my stats are bad, but I am about
to bury his ass, read on:)

ONE HALF of welfare goes to black people. One third of all aid goes to
black people. They are less than one eighth of the population.
NOTICE I said that we pamper black people compared to other countries.
No other country spends as much on black people as AMERICA. Dispute
that one, and steer away from the generalities and the avoidance
of issue, it really makes you look like a dumb wench.

>Ignore him. Misinformed, misanthropic hangnail.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:31:50 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Aug18.183144.13211@seq.uncwil.edu>
frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

>More Black neighborhoods are patrolled than white naeighborhoods
>if you study the demographics versus the policeman hours.

Black neighborhoods are "occupied" by police while white neighborhoods
are patrolled. There's a big difference, and it is in part responsible
for the skewed crime stats when race is taken into account.

>[stuff deleted]
>Also, your statement about a Black being more conspicuous in a white
>neighborhood than a white in a Black neighborhood is false. 
>[stuff deleted]
>A white person who ever tries to walk through Creekwood here, or
>drives down Castle Street is certain to be mugged or killed. They are
>conspicuous to the violent blacks. By contrast, a Black man can walk
>through ANY neighborhood he wants in 1992 without fear of violence
>in this city. I bet Reginald Denny was conspicuous.

Maybe that's true in your limited corner of the world but I can
assure you that it's not true in the rest of America. How many
white Yusef Hawkins' have there been? Reginald Denny doesn't count --
for one, he's still alive, and for two, there's some evidence that
his attack wasn't entirely unprovoked (he was "selling wolf tickets"
from what he thought was the safety of his truck according to some
accounts).

The following is an excerpt from Manning Marable's _How Capitalism
Underdeveloped America_:

"The US Right was able to manipulate the public's anxiety by 
propagandizing crime statistics...Crime statistics can always
be interpreted in different ways, depending obviously upon one's
political perspective...Several observations along the color line
must be made. First and foremost is the fact that the percentage
of Black and Hispanic victims of violent crimes has *always* been
higher than for whites...The irony of the newest "war against crime"
is that white police, politicians, and law enforcement officers have
been nonchalant, at best, in aiding and defending Blacks' lives and
personal property. The foundations of the modern US police state are
designed specifically to ensure that the killings, rapes, and property
thefts of Blacks continue unabated -- so long as whites (especially in
the upper classes) remain protected." pp124-126.

	Darryle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Tuskegee Experiment on Syphillis
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:57:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.184756.8197@vax.oxford.ac.uk>,
mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>I saw a disturbing documentary last night on the Tuskegee experiment on blacks
>in Macon County Alabama....

The miserable end to all this was that it was made public, and the government
>settled out of court in 1972 (? I could be wrong here) for 10 million dollars
>and free lifetime medical care for all existing survivors.  It is estimated
>that over a 100 men died on this program.
>
>At the end of the program it mentioned that it had been made in conjunction
>with the A&E Network in the US, so it should be aired soon, if it has not done
>so already.  The title was "Bad Blood".
.
I haven't seen a listing for it here in the Bay Area: we also get A&
E Network.  Then again, it could have aired last year or something.
.
>Does any one reading this know of any book which has been written on this which
>they could recommend?  It was worth seeing and I would recommend it, if only
>for the informative value.  It makes you wonder how many of these doctors are
>still floating around in the public health system, making these dreadful
>decisions.  The saddest thing is that, according to the trailer for this
>documentary, the US Health service has yet to make a formal apology.
.
Check the library.  There are about 2 books on the subject,
unfortunately, I can't think of the titles. The Port Chicago Mutiny
keeps banging in my mind, right now. I'll check Stanford's on-line
library listings and will post to the board in a day or so.
.
So much for the argument about America being so good to its black
folks...
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:27:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug14.165904.19866@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Stinken Slowall) writes:
>
>
>>Somebody needs to pop a cap in yo white trash head, muthafuckah.
>
>Just goes to show the mentality that I am dealing with here sometimes
>on soc.blah.blah.blah. Violence is a major means of oppression, this
>is an example of how a black person oppresses a white: trying to 
>inflict fear by means of VIOLENCE. By the way, Stinken, how many 
>white trashes do you know that are straight A math students?
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And trigger could count.  Doesn't mean it could form a intelligent
opinion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:28:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>
> Elvis was a hero to most, 
> But he never meant sh*t to me,
> The sucker was racist, simple and plain,
> F**k him and John Wayne..."
>
>Public Enemy "Fear of a Blak Planet"
>
>Femi.


  Elvis, Elvis, baby
  Too bold, too bold

  Ice, Ice, baby
  No Soul, no soul

  - "Ace in the Hole"
    Derilects of Dialect
    Third Bass

Mc

========

  No jim hat as my mouth ejaculates...

  - "Derelicts of Dialect"
    Derelicts of Dialect
    Third Bass
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: 'Acting White'
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:00:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.yx6mmz+.barnhart
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom (but I'm in Evanston, Illinois)

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>In article <va6ml9l.barnhart@netcom.com>,
>barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>>
>Amazing that to this day some so-called enlightened academics write
>papers about Ralph Ellison and Mark Twain being "unenlightened"
>because they insist on using characters with very distinctive
>accents, as if the act itself were politically the most important
>thing in the novel (i.e., is cause for condemning the whole book).
>Zora Houston I'm sure will soon be on the hit list.
>.
>.
>Speaking of Zora Neale Hurston, you're about 40 some odd years late.
>Richard Wright and a few other people dogged the girl for
>"spookism."

Well, there you have it.  But she seems to be in the vanguard again,
only to be knocked down sometime soon.  But then, Richard Wright
couldn't stand the heat from other people, so he went away where he
could do his flaming long distance.

>Speaking of Mark Twain, I always loved reading this dead white guy.
>"Puddinhead Wilson," "Huck Finn," "Tom Sawyer."  Him and Walt
>Whitman.  Dog me, yall, for 'PC' behavior.

There oughta be a list (probably is) of books to read if you want
to understand the peculiar and historical situation of American
racial affairs.  It could be posted to scaa as a faq file.  (I know
what question #1 would be: "I have these statistics proving that
Negroes commit most of the crimes in America."  Answer:  Prove it
ya little shitmonger and while you're at it, here, take these
coupons.  Good for a clue.)


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com)    |     "It is probable that, after economic
Evanston, Illinois             |    stability, the greatest single desire
                               |    in this country is for a reduction in
Jeremiah 6:14                  |    paranoia."          -- Stanley Crouch
From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:46:23 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug10.170345.12596@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>one other thing, the percentage of blacks in the United States (12 %)
>is over three times that of Canada. So there are about thirty Black 
>people here to every one in Canada. Which helps me prove my point and
>I thank you for your post. (Remember my point, which NOBODY has been
>able to refute with valid arguments to the contrary, that AMERICA IS
>THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE IN).

You say no one has been able to refute it, but first I must ask... Who
in the hell asked it in the first place?  If you, I can only ask,
where the hell do you get off acting as if you can decided where
ANYONE "should" live other than yourself?  If you want to be
classifying people, then perhaps let's ask where assholes like
yourself "should" live, eh?  

flame, flame, yes, that's bad of me.  I've seen Mr. Franklin in action
in a few other groups.  He's being fine form, fine. 

>You are correct, there are MULTIPLES more Blacks in America than in 
>Canada, so it is ludicrous for Canada to even be in contention with
>the United States as far as which nation is better for Black people
>to live in.

Now phrased this way, it's a DIFFERENT QUESTION, at least as I see it.
This last question, making comparisons to show which would be "better"
for someone to live in because of less tensions, etc, is a different
story than saying, "X people should live here."  

amy
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:02:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: panther.ISBELL.92Aug13230259
	<13AUG199219333907@sigma.tamu.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu's message of 14 Aug 92 00:33:00 GMT

trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD) writes:
|>  First of all, something interesting was that 89% of white violent offenders
|>victimized other whites,while 49% of Black violent offenders victimized other
|>Blacks.  I was a bit surprised by that.  But Mr. Franklin asserts that 69% of
|>violent criminals are Black.  Well according to the U.S. Justice department
|>50.7% of violent offenders are Black, 45.5% are white, and 3.8% are other.
|>Quite a big difference than the 69% that Mr. Franklin asserts.

|I'm not siding with anyone, but uniform crime reports gathered statistics
|from across the U. S. and their report showed that 94% of crimes against 
|blacks are committed by blacks. 85% of crimes committed against whites
|are by other whites. I've done alot of research in this area and have a paper
|up for publication in the near future. If you have anymore questions
|concerning violent crimes, I may be able to help.

Aren't those two different sets of stats?  The statements:  "49% of
Black violent offenders victimized other Blacks" and "94% of crimes
against Blacks are committed by Blacks" aren't mutally exclusive.  The
first talks from the view of the victimizer and the second from the
view of the victimized.  For example:

Let's assume that there are 100 Black victims and 100 Black criminals.
94 of the victims were robbed by other Blacks.  49 of the criminals
robbed Black people.  Of those 49, 4 robbed one Black person and 45
robbed two Black persons.  None of these victims overlapped.

There, that matches the two stats above.  

Boy, I must be bored.  I apologize.
--
Peace.
"Since the recently signed START agreement is over 700 pages of dense, 
 technical and largely unreadable prose about arcane weapon systems, there has
 naturally been some confusion over whether it is the new Tom Clancy novel. It 
 is not. (For one thing, the sex scenes in the treaty are more convincing). "
                                                  --James Lileks
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:03:25 GMT

In article <k84m0qq.barnhart@netcom.com>, barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
> >carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
> >>*Blech*.  That's at the same level morally as the opposite attitude
> >>that a man would be better than a woman.  One might have hoped that
> >>they would have some actual political reason for supporting Ms.
> That *is* the political reason, you knucklehead.  Or I suppose you
> have problems with Ann Richards describing George Herbert Hoover Bush
> as "the fellow who reminds you of your first husband"?

I thought it was rather a silly thing to say and at about the same
level of relevance as Matalin's "bimbo eruptions" statement. It's the
sort of thing to say when one has no substantive arguments.

Correct if I'm misinterpreting you, but you are claiming that Ms.
Braun being female _of itself_ "*is* the political reason". And here I
thought that we were trying to move beyond judging people by their
gender. I thought it was considered a good thing to judge people on
who they were as individuals, and to judge our political leaders on
what they say and do. Silly me. I suppose you don't have problems with
someone saying "I'd never vote for a woman".

In all seriousness, could you tell me what you think would be
different about what Ms. Braun would do in the Senate if she were
male?

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan