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From: rocker@csa.bu.edu (The Long Haired One)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,misc.forsale.computers,ne.forsale,mit.bboard
Subject: VMS Manual set
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:00:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Distribution: comp,misc,ne,mit
Organization: Boston University


The following set of VMS 5.0 manuals (1988) are forsale at $500 including
shipping(within continental US). According to the master index all manuals
are present except for General User 5c(DSR) manual. To make up for that
loss I've included 2 manuals I have from the extended set which are listed
at the bottom.

VMS 5.0 (1988) manual set includes the following:
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VMS software product description, release notes

System Management
   Vol 1a setup - sys man master index, intro sys man,guide to setup, sys man
   Vol 1b setup - vaxcluster,exchange,install,lat control,sysgen,term fallback
   Vol 2  maint - guide to maintaining, analyze,backup,BAD,error log,mount
   Vol 3  security - guide to system security, ACL editor, authorize
   Vol 4  performance - guide to performance, accounting,monitor,show cluster
   Vol 5a networking - guide to DECnet-Vax networking, networking manual
   Vol 5b networking - network control program, DTS/DTR

Programming
   Vol 1  intro - master index,guide prog resources,guide to modular processes
   Vol 2a utilities - debugger
   Vol 2b utilities - command def,librarian,linker,message,patch,SUMSLP
   Vol 3  system routines - intro, utilities routines
   Vol 4a system services - intro
   Vol 4b system services - ref man
   Vol 5a run-time lib -intro,dectalk,mathematics,general purpose,parallel proc
   Vol 5b run-time lib - library
   Vol 5c run-time lib - screen management, string manipulation
   Vol 6a file system - uide to file appl,analyze,convert/reclaim,FDL, NCS
   Vol 6b file system - RMS
   Vol 7a system programming - I/O user's part I, part II
   Vol 7b system programming - delta/Xdelta, system dump analyzer
   Vol 8  device support - device support manual
   Vol 9  Vax macro - vax macro and instruction set

General User
   Vol 1  general info - master index, gen user master index, glossary
   Vol 2a using vms - intro, guide to vms, guide to files and devices
   Vol 2b using vms - mail, phone, sort/merge
   Vol 3  using dcl - dcl concepts, guide to using command procedures
   Vol 4  DCL dictionary
   Vol 5a processing text - guide, EDT reference
   Vol 5b processing text - VAXTPU reference EVE
   Vol 5c -missing-

extra 2 manuals are the following:
   Vol 6b system messages - system messages and recovery procedures part II
   DECwindows programming - toolkit routines, ref man: part I

email rocker@cs.bu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: wls@cray.csd.uwm.edu (Bill Stapleton)
Subject: Re: Putting logo on Session Manager Login Screen
Reply-To: Bill Stapleton <wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Organization: Computing Services, U of Wisc-Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:17:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.143359.1008@nbivax.nbi.dk>, thomassen@nbivax.nbi.dk writes:
> my logo.ps is:

A hearty Thank You for posting an actual logo screen!  Now, does anybody have
any more interesting logo screens, say some sort of picture with the right
scaling to look good as a logo screen?  What about the screen saver
stuff - I've read that you can have some sort of continuously running DPS
program to use for screen blanking.  Does anybody have an example of that?

I've been biting my tongue, wanting to ask this for months.  I've seen the
directions several times about HOW to put SOMETHING on the screen, but this
is the first time I've seen a SOMETHING to put there.  I have several PS
files, but only one of them looks OK as a logo, and most of that one gets
covered by the login window.  Surely some of you must have played around
with this.  I *want* to, but I'm expected to do some *real* work.  Bummer.

--
Bill Stapleton
     wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
     uwmcsd4!wls
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.dec
From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum)
Subject: Re: net.views --- which vendor is the most open ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:09:50 GMT

tamir@meiko.com writes:

	Let me play devil's avocado for a second, just to try to provoke
a little serious thought on the topic of "Open Systems" ;) Just please
don't peel me too roughly...

>Open Systems facilitate the entry of new players into the computer market by 
>causing a reduction in the barriers to entry. The definition of clearly defined
>and widely published standards provides benefits to both the vendor and user 
>communities.

	"Open Systems" prevents small players from competing by upping
the ante for what is required. Nowadays it is not uncommon for a bid
to contain a huge laundry-list of sometimes unused "Open Systems"
features and standards, which means that a small player would have to
support all kinds of crud or be "proprietary" and risk being accused
of attempting all manner of heinous lock ins, etc, etc.

	"Open Systems" is nothing more than a large club, which can
be used to hammer your competition; just as presidential candidates
accuse each other of immorality, vendors all strive to be more "Open"
than others.

	What *IS* an "Open System"? Since I'm kind of a logical positivist
sort of guy at heart, I'd like someone to propse a definition that is
*testable* - or I consider it to be metaphysical. ;)

mjr.

PS - Obviously, these are only my individual opinions. Digital is very
committed to Open Systems. It's only mjr that doesn't quite have the
IQ to figure out what they are.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu (Christophe M. Kalisiak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: ?Guess what workstation I am.
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:25:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


I would have replied via email, but I couldn't...


In article <47.2aaa29e2@forthd.uucp> you write:
>
>   
> 	I have a friend that got a pallet load of the following 
>        DEC workstations:

I don't know if they are good for anything, but I would be willing to
buy one off you to see what it does. 

>         They say KODAK on the box, but the sticker on the back says
> 	VID08.  It has a MVII cpu, 6 (or more, don't recall) megs of
> 	memory, a mono VR419 19 in monitor & ethernet connections.

The VID08 is 
"VIDEO DISPLAY STATION: VID10-B4, VR419-A2, LK201-A (keyboard), (a VSXXX-A 
mouse, too, I think)"

The VID10-B4 is
"IMAGE II SYSTEM BOX"

The VR419 is
" 19" MONOCHROME MONITOR, RESOLUTION 1536 X 1152 PIXELS"
Unfortunately, the frequency is not given, so I don't know whether this
is usable on another machine or not (or whether or not DECwindows will
support it).

The memory is probably 9meg total (two 4meg MS630-BB boards plus 1meg on
the CPU).
The ethernet is probably a DEQNA, as I don't think DELQA's were available
at that time.

Can you open one of these suckers up and read the numbers off the handles
of the boards? The first board should have M7606 (the MicroVAX II cpu) 
stamped on it. If you can give me the other Mxxxx numbers, I can tell you
what else is in it.

> 	What this apparently was used for was some kind of publishing
> 	system Kodak sold. Kodak has not been helpful with info.

I would imagine that nobody there knows what they are. They were made in
'88, and probably didn't last very long.


Get back to me as soon as you can with more details and I will try to help
you determine whether this hardware is still usable.

Chris
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From: rawn@manduca..neurobio.arizona.edu (Rawn Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Digital News and Review's irresponsible attitude
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:04:02 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <GRUNWALD.92Sep7123134@mumble.cs.colorado.edu>, by grunwald@mumble.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald):
>>>>>> On 7 Sep 92 15:23:31 GMT, richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head) said:
> 
> RH> Is this a serious question, or are you just demonstrating how
> RH> Stupid you are?
> 	...
> RH> been overtaken by MV3100, VAXstation 3100, etc.  Maybe a long time when
> RH> compared to your attention span.
> 	...
> RH> Bullshit.
> 	...
> RH> You moron.
> ---
> 
> your adroit debating skills have certainly made your point.

    Looks like Ehud has a follower in his footsteps except this one (RH) is a 
little less imaginative in his insults.

Rawn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.networks.management.misc,vmsnet.networks.misc,vmsnet.misc
From: pista@aszi.sztaki.hu (Tetenyi Istvan)
Subject: Wanrouter-500 with X.25, Decnet, IP, PAD
Keywords: networks, multiprotocol routing
Organization: Computer and Automation Institute, Hungary
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:28:59 GMT

Dear Colleagues,


We have recently bought a Wanrouter-500 Dec equipment. The router is
connected to an ethernet and to X.25. On the ethernet we use DECNET and
TCP/IP. A VAX 5100 (risc) machine is also connected to the network.
Basically this configuration is typical in three other places in
Hungary.

Colleagues from DEC state the following:
Either:
	the wanrouter software provides:
			PAD/X.25, DLM/X.25, OSI/X.25 directly.
	But (!) it cannot route TCP/IP over X.25 without the help of
	the VAX 5100 with the installation of a DECNET/IP gateway software.
Or:
	The wanrouter provides:
		 DLM/X.25, OSI/X.25, IP/X.25
	 But there is no PAD (X.3, X.28, X.29) access at all.

What we really wanted was or is:
		 OSI/X.25, PAD/X.25, IP/X.25, Decnet(DLM)/X.25.

We could either have DECNET or DECNET/OSI etc. 

Is anyone on the net who could clearify me the situation ?


Kind regards:
	Istvan Tetenyi
	Computer and Automation Institute,
        Hungary


Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: garvin@cfd.mae.ncsu.edu (Michael Garvin)
Subject: Second TK50 in uVAX II?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:51:35 GMT

	I was wondering how to throw a second TK50 into a MicroVAX II.  I've
got a second MAYA (Qbus controller) card I can put in, but I'm lacking the
docs for jumper settings.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

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Mars Mission Research Center, NCSU			(919) 515-5250
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From: kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu (Christophe M. Kalisiak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: OpenVMS, OSF/1, Windows NT...oh my!
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:59:39 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep9.092748.3401@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep07.180426.11417@cadlab.sublink.org>,
>martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli) writes:
>|> lsgriffith@gems.vcu.edu writes:
>|> 	...
>|> :I think it would be a very strong and positive strategic statement for
>|> :DEC to have one box capable of running all THREE operating systems!
>|> 
>|> I think it spells confusion.

No more confusing than what is available on the Intel boxes. You have 
MS-DOS (a lousy excuse for an operating system, but that's another story),
DR-DOS, OS/2, and a couple other similar operating systems which do pretty
much the same thing in a different way -- they all run DOS programs.

>|> :What other workstation would be able to boast such flexibility?
>|> 
>|> Any workstation based on Intel-386 and similar chips.  Far more than three
>|> operating systems are available and reasonably popular on such boxes.
>
>The question _should_ have been "What other workstation _vendor_ ...";
>however, I'm inclined to agree with Alex's characterisation of the
>situation.  Pity, really.

Ah, but how many Intel-based machines can run three or more operating
systems at once? I have heard that one can run OSF/1, OpenVMS, and 
Windows NT _concurrently_ on an Alpha box.


Chris
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,alt.sys.sun
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:44:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

(Followups to "alt.dev.null"; if you must follow up, please consider
picking an even smaller set of groups than the set to which I've limited
my followup.)

>>I do know that the
>>Sun systems I've used since that VAX 750 have had miserable hardware
>>documentation; the situation is improving slightly only because Sun is
>>now using more third-party hardware in their systems, and you can buy the
>
>You can get documentation about Mbus & Sbus

But that's not enough to write your own OS for, say, a Sun-4m machine. 
There's plenty of hardware that the OS has to tweak that's not specified
by the Mbus or SBus (yes, that really *is* how they're capitalized, at
least according to the specs I have; no, I don't know why the "b" in
"bus" is capitalized differently) specifications.

>How about HP?  I'm not too familiar with their systems but I have heard their
>workstations use an EISA bus...

Well, the folks at the University of Utah *have* done a BSD port to
various HP's; however, I think that, at least at one point, the port
required that they lift some HP-UX code, and you needed a source license
to get the source to their port.

I.e., to fit Geoff's definition of "open", it's *not* enough just to
have an "open" peripheral bus.
From: terry@esrg.ucsb.edu (Terry Figel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Optical Mice on DEC 5000/240s?
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:00:24 GMT
Reply-To: terry@esrg.ucsb.edu (Terry Figel)
Organization: UCSB Earth Space Research Group

Is it possible to get an optical mouse on a DEC 5000/240
We are having a lot of problems with the mice we have, and
I always liked the Sun mice, We have Optical Mice on our Macs also 
(3 buttons great for Mac X)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: e_alsberg@csc32.enet.dec.com (Ed Alsberg)
Subject: Re: VAX4300
Reply-To: e_alsberg@csc32.enet.dec.com (Ed Alsberg)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:07:21 GMT


The VAX 4000-300 was introduced in 1990...
I arrived at that by looking at the VMS version which first supported it,
which was 5.3-2.  That came out around April, 1990.

/Ed
From: barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: DEC Scholar Modems -- DF224
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:15:04 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: MicroMuse

I have several DEC Scholar Modems (DF224) donated by DEC to a local
school.  Some of them work OK, but others fail to go 'off hook'
when I send ^A^B to them.  I get 'Error' on ^A and 'Ready' on ^B.

Since this seems to be a common failure mode with these units, I'm
wondering if someone here recognizes the symptom and can suggest
what component in the modem might be defective.  I am prepared to
take a soldering gun to the boards if there is a reasonable expectation
of repairing them.

Barry Kort
Visiting Scientist
Educational Technology Research
BBN Labs
Cambridge, MA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: johnn@eskimo.celestial.com (John Navitsky)
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:50:14 GMT

In article <BuCytz.1IG@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum:
>>	What *IS* an "Open System"??
>
>Gee, that sounds like my cue.  I'll give my usual commentary first and

[...]

>I'm told that 386 systems tend to be pretty well documented (allegedly due
>to competition), but I can't vouch for that claim.  I do know that the
>Sun systems I've used since that VAX 750 have had miserable hardware
>documentation; the situation is improving slightly only because Sun is
>now using more third-party hardware in their systems, and you can buy the

You can get documentation about Mbus & Sbus - Actually, as I understand it,
Sun does not own those formats so Sun may not be the one to get the info
for but they should be able to send you in the right direction.  Just like
Sun does not own SPARC.  Hmm, now that I think about it I'd have to mention
that Sun does encourage clone makers (at times - they flip flop on this
at times).  They also sell their "engine".  Of course this does not mean
that they are "open" - or that the info is easy to get at but it does seem
like a step forward... 

>documentation from the third parties.  The SGI systems I have used are
>essentially undocumented: the processor manual (the Kane book) can be
>bought on the open market, but the rest of the system (notably the kernel

Actually SGI would be quite attractive if they were not so proprietary.  One
big item to disintrested me is that their expansion boards are of a proprietary
format.

>virtual address map) is undocumented.  (MIPS looked promising, but they
>don't make computer systems any more.)
>
>Of course vendors don't care about this stuff now.  `Just buy our Open
>System and run our wonderful software and all your problems will be
>solved.' `But your software stinks; I just want to use the hardware and
>write my own software.' `Sorry, the hardware in our Open System is a
>proprietary secret.' `My oxymorometer just went off; don't call us, we

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Isn't it always!

>won't call you.'
>-- 
>Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff
>
>``Leave the evil grasping to us.'' - A. L. Arms, UNIX licensing, WECo.

How about HP?  I'm not too familiar with their systems but I have heard their
workstations use an EISA bus...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.arch
From: gideony@microsoft.com (Gideon Yuval)
Subject: Re: Pixie output format
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:33:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

There's a Stanford tech report by Mike Smith describing this format.
Title is "tracing with Pixie".
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From: MikeSummers@cup.portal.com (Michael - Summers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Intergraph machines in DECnet environment?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:06:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I'm looking for some information on adding Intergraph machines to a DECnet/
Pathworks environment.

Ideally the Intergraph boxes would see the VAXen as NFS nodes while the
VMS machines would see the Intergraph boxes as DECnet nodes (we need to
backup the Intergraph disks to the VAX 8mm tape unit).

I'd appreciate thoughts/experiences on this.

Thanks,
--Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.dec
From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: DECstation 5000 third-party storage options
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:10:21 PST
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

I'm trying to budget a DECstation 5000/25 as a stand-alone workstation and
news server.  I'd like to add an external 665MB disk and DAT tape drive to
a system with internal 425MB drive, but the cost of these peripherals seems
to be excessive.

Can anybody recommend a third-party ~600MB disk and 1GB tape that is known
to work with a DECstation 5000 and Ultrix?  Prices would be helpful too.

Thanks,
-Bruce
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.misc
From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore)
Subject: Re: ?Guess what workstation I am.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:52:20 GMT

E.C. Loyd writes:

>Sounds like the Kodak KIMS workstations.  Here in Rochester (where Kodak
>is based) they were basically throwing them on the curb.  They make good
>X-terminals, and the uVAX is a perfectly good working machine.

>-Eric

That sounds like a horrible shame.  If anyone wants to get rid of one of these
machines.  I would provide it with a home.  I'm a college student strapped
for cash.  If there is any utility left in the things at all, I am sure that
I can manage to find it.  If anyone is interested, please let me know.

--David Willmore
willmore@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: graham@simgr.enet.dec.com (S. P. Graham)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM DRIVERS FOR VMS
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 15:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.082313.2686@portal.vpharm.com>, sergio@portal.vpharm.com 
(Sergio Rotstein) writes...

>using DECwindows under VMS and not ULTRIX. For the life of me I can't find
>any software out there that will let me listen to music.
>surely I'm not the only site running VMS am I?

I'm not sure what version of DECwindows this appeared in, but take a look
at DECW$EXAMPLES:DECW$CDPLAYER.{C,EXE} - the source code contains instructions
for setting up the appropriate driver for the CD drive.

/simgr
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From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: DEC RZ24E in a DEC PC 433w workstation?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:33:33 GMT
Organization: CS



I have an RZ24 lying around that I want to put in the expansion box on
my 433w DEC PC.

I hooked up the scsi cables, connected the power and such, but all I get is

(210) Target 0: target not connected

Are there any jumpers I should remove/put on to make this work?  There are
other 433w's with SCSI drives in them, this has got to be doable.

Any help much appreciated, please email suggestions.

(The 24's are out of some Decstation 3100's.  Maybe it's a ROM problem or
somesuch).
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