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From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Subject: Re: Spider-Man.  The poor fellow is having problems
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:33:09 GMT

Gord Locke writes:
>	My thoughts on the current state of the Spidey titles:
>	Spectacular Spider-Man:  Easily the best of the four right now,
>and has been for several years.  J. M. DeMatteis's writing is right on
>the money as usual, and I don't care what anyone else says, I like Sal
>Buscema's art.  The page breakdowns are a pleasure to look at.  Maybe if 
>someone else with a cleaner line inked them, it would satisfy the critics, 
>but I'm not complaining.  No-one else is drawing a better Spidey right now 
>(especially the chest emblem), or a better MJ.  If you've missed the
>last two years of this gem, I weep for you.  I recommend that you check
>out this one on your next visit to the comic shop.  The current arc,
>"The Death of Vermin", is blowing me away!!!  This is the only one I can
>really recommend you start "collecting"; Amazing and Web are pretty weak
>right now, and the eponymous one is hit-and-miss.  Keep reading for more
>details. 
>
I agree with this synopsis. Spectacular is one of the best comics
coming out today, even if J.M. is using the book to clean up old
Captain America ideas , especially in the last two arcs. This "Death
of Venom" story is spectacular, and shoudn't be missed by anyone.
And about Sal's art, I've always said that Sal is one of my favorite
artists. The breakdowns are gorgeous, and when Sal does a face, he
expresses only the emotion, and filters out all the fanboy lines and
stuff. Not that it's the only way to go, but it just works so well
with Sal. For more examples of this technique, look at old 240-310
Hulks, when he also did the pencilling and inking. Gosh, did the Hulk
look savage then...
Hey PAD, how about Sal doing a fill-in issue?
Ray
U of Delawhere

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Participation of DC heroes
Keywords: Superman, Doomsday, DC
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:50:43 GMT

In article <1epm4pINNrjn@pollux.usc.edu>, akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale) writes:
|> In article <> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
|> >In article <> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
|> 
|> { Details a long list of heroes who should/could have come to Superman's
|> help during the fight with Doomsday }
|> >	All of theses characters have a connection to the JLA of some kind
|> >and would be expected to be ready to pitch in to help.  After all, they
|> >are members (or reserve members) of the JLI, _and_ are fast enough to  
|> >get there at a moment's notice.
|> 
|> There are lots of things that are wrong with the Doomsday plotline, but
|> this isnt it. The whole Doomsday story since Superman and the JLA got
|> involved does not seem to have run more than a few hours. Its unreasonable
|> to assume that DCs most powerful heroes could have been summoned
|> in that time. 
|> --- Panic in the Sky, Eclipso ; Why didnt DCs mystic brigade do anything ? 
|> 

I agree with most of your comments regarding why other heroes did not help
out.  The events happened over such a short time that there was not
enough time to respond.  Plus I think another factor is that it is 
difficult for other heroes to believe that Superman needs help against a foe.
They are so used to him easily beating everybody, they probably thought
he could handle it.

I would quibble with your comments on the participation of the mystic
heroes.  Dr. Fate did indeed help out in Panic in the Sky.  Of course,
this Fate is massively depowered from the silver age Fate.  Also,
the Phantom Stranger did show up in the Eclipso stories.  He appeared to
warn Eclipso that he was watching him, but he was busy, and would come
back to deal with him later.  Eclipso didn't seem too impressed.

Also, although I was unimpressed by the Doomsday story line, a lot of
the suggestions about how to beat Doomsday underestimate the power of
Doomsday.  The guy was not only super strong but he possessed super speed
as well.  The spikes sticking out from his body would have been as lethal
as Wolverines' claws.  It is doubtful that anybody could have picked up
Doomsday and held him long enough to transport anywhere.  Even a GL
would not have been able to hold him.   Plus he moves so fast that
it would be difficult for anyone without super speed to touch him.
He demonstrated how strong he really was when he knocked out Supergirl
with one blow.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU

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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:40:58 GMT

In article <1egqo1INNkpg@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>	I haven't given it a lot of thought, but IMHO, only two characters
>are 'worthy' of killing Superman: Lex Luthor and Darkseid.

And the Joker. Don't think for a minute that he couldn't do it.
Of course, after months of buildup, people wouldn't want to see
Supes offed by a kryptonite whoopee cushion...

My secret hope (fat chance) is that the next Supes comic will
start with paramedics rushing to the scene. They pull out the
little paddles... "Clear"... <ZAP>... "Clear"... <ZAP>... and
Superman revives.

Oops, it was just _The_Clinical_Death_of_Superman_(TM)...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
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From: steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn)
Subject: Re: Shade #31
Organization: University of Rochester
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:20:48 GMT

It was a good issue, but I really wish Milligan hadn't attempted the Joyce
pastiche...  I don't know how good the Hemmingway one was (I'm no fan
of his books), but the Joyce one didn't resemble the real thing much at 
all.  Which is a real pity, because I think pseudo-Joycean writing would
have fit really well there.

Gavin Steyn
steyn@cs.rochester.edu
"So he's had the lifelong ambition of reversing the polarity of the earth?"
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Million Year Picnic in Boston - Fire
Keywords: Fire
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <By1Fnv.BxI@world.std.com> ivanski@world.std.com (Ivan M CaveroBelaunde) writes:
>For all interested, last weekend there was a fire at the Million Year Picnic
>in Cambridge. While most of their stock was destroyed (ouch - they had
>some *seriously* valuable old stuff), they are still in business (dealing
>with insurance adjusters and such).

Ack!  First the Science Fantasy Bookstore goes out of business, then Cambridge
loses Boston Compact Disc, and now this!

I'll definitely have to do some of my comics shopping there when I return
to Boston for Christmas break.

>MYP, IMHO, is the best comic store in the Boston area (some others like
>Comicopia better, but MYP is still *excellent*).  They stocked mainstream
>as well as pretty obscure independent stuff, had an excellent selection of
>European comics and truly great stuff (the only place I've seen that
>stocked the hardcover Carl Barks and MAD collections).  They would carry
>stuff like the british B/W Moore Swamp Thing stuff, and promote and recommend
>quality independent books *consistently*.  Stores like this
>are few and far between, and I'd like to make sure it doesn't die because
>of this.  If you live in the Boston area, please support them and let your
>friends know.

Well, I can see that I've been out of touch for a while, because I've never
even *heard* of Comicopia.  (That's not the one in Kenmore Square run by a
couple of expatriate New England Comics guys, is it?)

I think that MYP went downhill after its move to its current location (in
particular, its back issue selection seems to have gotten really poor, and I
generally found the staff to be extremely impersonal), but I still stopped in
now and then to look for stuff, especially graphic novels, and comic or strip
collections.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Mondays are not part of the productive work week:
	...eight hours and all I did today is compose this memo...
	...actually, it's more like a sentence than a whole memo...
	...and it probably needs a verb to be a sentence...
							- Dilbert
From: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doomsday: I've been wondering
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:26:15 EST

In article <uplink.721704249@cwis>, uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (uplink) writes:
> 	Because if they did that, then DD couldn't kill
> Supes, could he?  I always thought the easiest way to 
> deal with DD would have been for someone with telekinetic
> powers to lift DD up by one of his feet (worst position
> for leverage) and then take him into space and see how he likes
> going into orbit around Jupiter.  But then, someone would
> have had to use their brain to defeat Doomsday, and that's
> not what the writers apparently want.
> 
> 	And Guy Gardner was defeated when Doomsday grabbed him
> out of the air and slammed him into various objects like a
> rag doll.  He was knocked unconscious and had several bruises
> on his face.
> 
> 	Mark my words, this whole "death of Superman" thing
> will be a debacle for DC.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, somehow this whole thing reminds me of the "New Coke formula" fiasco. I
wonder if they'll come up with a "New Superman formula" and then eventually
bring back "Classic Superman".

                                        ---Ollie
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Blue Witch of Oz out from Dark Horse yet?
Summary: has this been released?
Keywords: Blue Witch of OZ
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:44:03 GMT

Quick question: Has "The Blue Witch of Oz" graphic novel (geez, I'm getting
politically correct -- I'm getting uncomfortable with that word, too) been
released yet?  It wasn't around my shoppe when I stopped by last week.

                           "First, let's talk about the word `football'.  In
                            most nations, when people say `football', they
                            mean `soccer', which is a completely different
                            game in which smallish persons whiz about on a
                            field while the spectators beat each other up and
                            eventually overthrow the government.  I don't know
                            why the other nations call soccer `football', but
                            I suspect it has something to do with the metric
                            system and I say the hell with it."
                                           -- Dave Barry
---
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: GO FOR IT! (was: Bravo to Mr. David on #401 of the Hulk!)
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:02:31
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1el9iqINNldo@gap.caltech.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu's message of 21 Nov 1992 12:20:42 GMT

morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett) writes:
Spoilers.


|Weird thought of the day:  Aggy is Bucky.

That's exactly what I thought:  "every once in a while I go out and
live... then fake my own death."

Sounds about right, doesn't it?

I think Peter David should run with it.  Why not?  It would come out
of nowhere and might make a very good storyline *PLUS* all the
speculators would have to go back and buy all the Hulk issues with
Aggy in it, running up those prices and making Mr David look like an
even more popular writer in Marvel's eyes, enabling him to raise his
salary and broker his new-found power into daring new projects and
directions.

Why not?
--
Peace.
          "I have more respect for a man who lets me know where
           he stands even if he's wrong... than the one who comes
           up like an angel and is nothing but a devil."
                                - Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:02:35 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov19.034317.8486@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>Columbus area news also did a short piece, and Entertainment Tonight did a 
>several minute article.  Unfortunately, they did what so many news shows do 
>when covering comics related news:  They interviewed what must have been the 
>stupidest person in the shop and passed him off as a representative fan.

Wow, thank goodness you don't live in Albuquerque.  From a Journal article
that interviewed some kids at the shop I frequent (they didn't ask ME...):

"Superman is really stupid, jumping around in his little red leotards"-a 13
year old "customer" 

"He's too old.  Nobody cares about him anymore.  It's just a lame comic book.
Most comic book characters have a mask to hide their faces.  But him?  He
puts on a pair of glasses and - 'Oh? Who are you?'"-same "customer"

"He needs a better costume.  It should be black instead of red and blue.  He
looks like a sissy.  And he needs to have better powers, like a fist with 
blades that come out.  This is the '90s - he needs a gun."-a 9 year old
"customer"

"I hate Superman.  He's boring.  I think I'd like him to die.  He's been on the
shelf too long.  He seems outdated."-a 12 year old "customer"

BTW, all three plan to buy the series, since it'll be worth some money.  The
thirteen year old plans to sell the "Death of Superman" series to pay for 
college.


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
TONIGHT-In "Ryecatcher", Holden Caulfield foils a plot to turn his old prep
school into a right-wing military acadamy run by Neo-Nazis. 8PM(7PM C/M) Ch. 7
                                                        -The Book of Sequels...
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Steranko and Dracula
Keywords: huh
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:51:19 GMT

Went and saw FFC's version of BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA last night (a pretty
mediocre experience) and noticed that during the long list of credits, Ol'
Jim Steranko is listed as Visual Conceptualist or Consultant or some shit
like that.

I bet the sketches were worth seeing; and knowing Steranko, I'll bet he
sells them at top $$.  Or prints them in MEDIASCENE PREVIEW (unless that rag
has gone under since I last looked.)

                           "He's not dead!"
                                                     "No, but his career is.
                                                      I remember when Al
                                                      Jolson ran amuck at the
                                                      Winter Garden and
                                                      climbed the Chrysler
                                                      Building.  After that,
                                                      he couldn't get arrested
                                                      in this town."
---
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ghost Rider
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:35:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


Well, let me say that I enjoy the book, and I definitely think that Marvel is
going in the right direction with their new "occult" Midnight Sons line.  

I particularly enjoyed last issue with the intro of Madcap, who will become
the most interesting villain Ghost Rider will ever have fought.  What can GR
do to him?  Penance stare does not work, and neither does pain (he likes it).
They could have elaborated on him more though, so now I'm definitely looking
forward to seeing their explanation of him in upcoming issues (maybe a Zodiak
type villain leftover from Inferno)

I'm also interested in the new origin storyline for GR where Dan searches for
his real parents.  Now I don't remember, but I think Barbara was adopted too,
making it very intriguing - were they both meant to possess supernatural 
powers?  Is Ghost Rider really some kind of demon?

I'll keep watching

Mike C.

















-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman's death synopsis
Keywords: dead
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:19:22 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

hanneman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Albert Hanneman) writes:

}Could someone please post a synopsis of Superman's death.  ie. how did he
}die? (was he just pummeled to death?) and what happened to DD?

Superman says, "Doomsday will not get into Metropolis!" (Even though he's
already in the downtown area and is trashing some buildings).

Doomsday hits Superman really hard, sending him crashing through yet
another building.

Foolish reporters in helicopters fly in really close so as not to miss
any of the battle of the century.

Lois Lane tells Superman to be careful.

Superman says that Doomsday is the toughest foe he's ever fought, and to
beat him he'll have to fight harder than he's ever fought.

Doomsday takes a few more swipes at Superman, actually cutting him with
this bony ridges that stick out of his arms.

Superman thinks, "If those ridges are actually part of his skeleton..."
And manages to actually hurt Doomsday.

Doomsday hits Superman.

Superman hits Doomsday with a double-handed overhead strike.

They both fall down dead.

Lois and the others mourn.

No reasonable explanation of how Superman finally managed to kill 
Doomsday, nor of why Superman died, is ever given.

--James Preston

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From: m92aka@tdb.uu.se (Andreas Kaehaeri)
Subject: Calvin & Hobbes
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:41:40 GMT


Calvin & Hobbes GIF-pictures (or JPEG, or PICT, or TIFF, or PAINT):

WHERE IS THE MAGIC FTP-SITE?


eMail to: m92aka@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
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From: zlg1409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Zhenhai Li )
Subject: Superman's death. True cost?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:59:13 GMT

I've been reading all about inflated cost of superman's death issue
and was wondering what the collector's out there think.
Personally, with the abysmial storyline, I normally wouldn't
bother. But like everyone else am getting it for future value.
(I wonder if the price will go down when he comes back?)
Do you think the price will actually go up? Right now, with all the
advertising, I am getting a feeling of the old cabbage-patch deal.
Ah well, I won't be too heartbroken if I sell it.
I think what really gets me about all of this is the certainty of his
being reincarnated. 
I wonder about matrix, it started out copying superman...
LAter,
Z.

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From: wga@po.CWRU.Edu (Will G. Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: thor
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:30:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wga@po.CWRU.Edu (Will G. Austin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) says:


>+>Wait a minute.  Something is not right here.  You say:
>+>1.  Thor kills Loki
>+>2.  Odin banishes Thor
>+>3.  Loki channels into Odin, who is in Odinsleep.
>
>+>Either A)  Odin banished Thor while in Odinsleep?? or B)  Loki must hang
>+>out somewhere, out of body, until Odin Odinsleeps??  How can either of
>+>these be?

	Welllllll, Odin didn't actually banish Thor, 'twas Heimdall who did 
the actual banishing. Odin was still Odin and was awakened by Loki's `death' 
but couldn't bring himself to enforce his own law--a stupid law dredged up as 
an obvious plot device to make DeFalco's idiotic story to work.  If I want bad
Kirby-like stories, I'll stick to Silver Star, thank you very much!!
   

-- 
" Hey, I am, therefore I'm bad.  Simple. "
							--Luke Cage
=====Will Austin---Nomad---wga@po.cwru.edu---wga%po.cwru.edu@cunyvm============
	
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Implications of the Death of Superman
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:30:14 EST

Friends:

What really scares me about the success in sales of the Death of Superman 
is that a few months from now we'll be getting the Death of Spider-Man 
over at Marvel, because they'll have to do something to cash in on this, 
right?  

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: wga@po.CWRU.Edu (Will G. Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Requiesicat in Pacem. . .
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:24:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wga@po.CWRU.Edu (Will G. Austin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


	Y'know what the most insulting is about this supposed `death' of
Superman?

	It's not the fact that Supes shows a complete lack of fighting savvy 
nearly as bad as he showed versus Metallo in Superman #1.

	It's not that Doomsday is so incredibly unconvincing and unimpressive
as a villain.

	It's not that this whole deal itself is a bad atempt to imitate Marvel
sales successes.

	It's not even that DC is, in effect, spitting on a legend.

	It's that that bunch of losers that pretend to be the JLA SURVIVED!!!

Where are you when we need you, Pre-Crisis Superman???????
-- 
"...It is a tale told by an idiot/Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!"
Will Shakespeare, *Macbeth*||||Me, after seeing Coppola's version of *Dracula*
=====Will Austin---Nomad---wga@po.cwru.edu---wga%po.cwru.edu@cunyvm============