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From: dlt@pt.com (Don Turrell)
Subject: Re: SBus Fast SCSI-2 Card Question...
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:15:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.134137.13487@emr1.emr.ca> craven@cg.emr.ca writes:
>I am looking into getting the Fast SCSI-2 card, but I have some
>conflicting info on whether system requirements include SunOS4.1.3?
>Will it work, perhaps only at 5 MB/s, with 4.1.2?  Can someone set me
>straight on this?  Any experiences with this card would also be
>appreciated.
>
>Jim
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Jim 

Not sure what SCSI-2 SBus module you are refering to here. However
my company has been supplying add-in SCSI-2 SBus products for over
a year and we have seen most of the issues at one time or another.
There is really no issue with OS 4.1.2 or 4.1.3 with our products
(there maybe with Sun's recent SCSI-2 SBus product release). The 
real issues have to do with drives (as you might expect some of
the new FAST drives perform better than others), single ended vs
differential operation (the traditional single-ended works well with
one or two drives on the SCSI-2 bus... beyond this number consider
differential) and good attention to cable and termination details 
(the SCSI-2 bus timing is much more critical than the slower SCSI-1).

You can see some impressive performance improvements in many 
applications by adding a SCSI-2 SBus interface and a SCSI-2
FAST disk to SPARCstations. But as noted above the OS is not
the area where you need to pay attention to details...at least
not with our products. Be happy to forward you info on SCSI-2 SBus
modules and a recent write-up we completed for our users on specific
details that apply to operating reliability with SCSI-2 FAST. 


Don Turrell
Performance Technologies, Inc.
315 Science Pkwy, Rochester, New York 14620 USA
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From: kjberte@cray.com (Kurt Bertelsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Sound for a 3/160
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: kjberte@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


I just bought a SUN 3/160 and was wondering if there are any CHEAP
third party boards that give this machine the same sound capibilities
of a SPARC.


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From: Shawn_E_Switenky@engr.usask.ca (Shawn E Switenky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Settings for Helios 3Meg Multibus Board?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 15:41:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi,

	I have a Helios 3Meg multibus memory board for a Sun2/120.  I
want to install it in the 4th memory slot, after 3 1Meg boards.  What
dipswitches do I have to get in order to get the computer to recognize
all 6 Megs of memory?  Also, does anyone have some documentation for
this board? 

	It seems that this board was intended to have 4 megs of memory,
but in the area where there is no ram, no sockets are soldered in.  Does
anyone know if it is possible to make this area work to hold another
meg?  Could it be as simple as soldering in some RAM, and maybe a dipswitch 
change?

Shawn Switenky
ses29@watt.usask.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: Dual headed 386i
Sensitivity: Personal
Encoding:  17 TEXT , 4 TEXT 
Conversion: Prohibited
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Conversion-With-Loss: Prohibited
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:45:31 GMT

Hi,

So long as I'm `stuck' with this 386i on my desk I thought it might
be nice to improve it some.  The obvious possibility is to get another
frame buffer & monitor and make it dual headed.  This is/was fairly
easy on other Sun hardware (3's and 4's) so how hard is it on 386i's?

BTW.. This machine is `fast enough' as just a display device.  I run
very few local processes.  The only ones of significance are

	X11R5 Xsun
	mwm
	epoch
	auto mounter & NFS

Everthing else (xterm's, clock, calendar, mail programs, ups, etc) are
run elsewhere and they run reasonably fast.

<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
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<- During the '80s Usenet's mantra was: "Not all the world's a VAX".
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From: pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Problem with serial port on a Sun IPC
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:02:41 GMT
Reply-To: pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI


One of the serial ports on our sun is acting strange.  It allows
us to hook a terminal directly to it and get a session, but over the 
terminal server it doesn't work anymore.  I know that it is the serial port
because we tried the same wire to the terminal server on both ports
one at a time and the "bad one" doesn't work but the other functions perfectly.
The fact that I can hook up a terminal directly though makes this all very
weird.  We also hooked up the breakout box but the connects all
lit the leds the same.  I don't know what to do to fix this.  Any help?


Pete Ruttman
pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu
From: halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: info on Fax/Modems for Sun4
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:22:50 GMT
Organization: Skrivervik Data A/S

In article <1992Nov5.020320.7002@citec.oz.au>, sgccpxb@citec.oz.au (Paul Brown 2245719) writes:
|> I asked for info on this same subject about a month ago.
|> 
|> I recieved two replys:
|> 
|> One was the Helios (or whatever)
|> 
|> another was called ISOFAX.  This is just a software program that takes whatever
|> you want to fax and puts it in postscript format (i think).  You can just use
|> any old modem to send with.  Apparently the best people to get this from are
|> Sun Direct.
|> 

from the ncd X catalog

IsoFax from The Bristol Group
VSI*FAX from V-systems inc

from the august 1991 UnixWorld (4 fax solutions tested)

TruFax from COS 
(and IsoFax once more)


there are probably more solutions out there.

|> Good Luck
|> 
|> 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:57:54 GMT

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>In 5.x, there's a lot more to the boot stuff, but I very much doubt the
>PROM has to know anything about the file system format.  It's probably
>all done by programs read in *by* the PROM.

>(Besides, the SVR4 file system format isn't *that* different from the
>SunOS 4.x format.

Actually, the 4.1.x format and Solaris 2.x format must be *really*
close. Solaris 2.x disks can be connected to SunOS 4.1.x (not 4.0.x)
machines (and vice versa), unless they use EFT ranges, i.e., values
for file attributes that are out of range in 4.1.x but are valid
in the ranges of Extended Filesystem Types.

Casper
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: NFS Performance?
Keywords: NFS performance
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:35:58 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>In real life situations the actual performance benefits you see will depend on
>your mix of read vs. write requests.

Where "read" and "write" are to be taken in a very general sense.  For
example, at least on the BSD file system, "create", "unlink", etc. are
to be thought of as write requests, as they involve writes to the disk,
and those writes are done synchronously (even if the requests *don't*
come from NFS).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.vms
From: klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: Sun is violating the Ethernet-Spec with its
Organization: Lugroid Enterprises
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:40:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Szymon Sokol (szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov4.165432.4917@news.duc.auburn.edu> elling@eng.auburn.edu (Richard Elling) writes:
: >From: elling@eng.auburn.edu (Richard Elling)
: >Subject: Re: Sun is violating the Ethernet-Spec with its
: >Date: 4 Nov 92 16:54:32 GMT
: [part deleted]
: >Rule #1 for ethernets, turn off SQE.  I know of no hardware made in a
: >*long* time that needs SQE.  Unfortunately, many vendors ship ethernet
: >transceivers with SQE enabled.  If you have SQE enabled, the transceiver
: >can put extra junk on the trunk that may contribute to collisions.
: 
: I was unable to get our old VAX-11/750 (DELUA card) connected to the Ethernet
: until I switched ON the SQE. Without that, the DECnet circuit was going
: up and down like a yo-yo, and TCP/IP did not work at all... What do you
: think of that? I remember reading somewhere that DEC needs enabled SQE...
: 

In our primarily VAX ehternet, I have ahd to add a couple of AS/400's. They
are another beast that needs SQE on their segments.

Keith.
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From: fontana@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Fontana)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SCSI: Initiator / Target alternatively
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:24:41 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

According to the SCSI protocol, devices are usually Initiator or Target,
can be both alternatively if needed. What I need to know is :

     Does the implementation of the SCSI drivers on the SUNs (no
     specific machine) allow the processor to be selected as a
     Target (processor device) ?

Thank's for mailing me your answers, I'll post a summary of them.

Pierre Fontana

E-MAIL: fontana@disuns2.epfl.ch  or  fontana@eldi.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: craven@cg.emr.ca (Jim Craven)
Subject: Need format.dat specs for Maxtor 7213SR...
Reply-To: craven@cg.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:45:39 GMT

Subject says it all, thanks.

Jim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: Goncal.Badenes@launchpad.unc.edu (Goncal Badenes)
Subject: Where to buy 64MB SIMMS for a Sparc 10?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:27:58 GMT

The subject says it all: we are intending to buy some 64MB SIMMS for a
SUN SparStation 10. Does sanyone of you know  where to buy them at
reasonable prices? Sun Spain wants about $10000 a piece.

Goncal

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From: dmc@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Dave Cole)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Disk drive troubles
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:36:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Astronomy & Astrophysics @ University of Chicago


I have a CDC Wren VI disk drive attached to a Sparc 1 that just went
belly-up in an interesting way: now, on reboot, instead of seeing
   sd2 at esp0 target 2 lun 0
   sd2: <CDC WREN VI SCSI cyl 1624 alt 2 hd 15 sec 53>
as I used to, now I get:
   sd2 at esp 0 target 2 lun 0
   sd2: Vendor 'CDC', product '94141-', (unknown capacity)

And, of course, I can't mount, fsck, or run format on this drive.
I've dealt with defects and such problems on disks before, but no
tools I have will read the disk at all in this state.

Does anyone know what this error might be caused by?  Furthermore,
can anyone suggest any companies which diagnose/fix disk drives?
The vendor from whom I bought this drive (in 1989) has since gone
out of business.

Please respond by email as I do not regularly read this group.

Dave Cole
Astronomy & Astrophysics
University of Chicago
dmc@oddjob.uchicago.edu





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From: acct237@carroll1.cc.edu (Ivan Richwalski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Problem with serial port on a Sun IPC
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:17:36 GMT
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

In article <3438@carroll1.cc.edu> pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman) writes:
>
>One of the serial ports on our sun is acting strange.  It allows
>us to hook a terminal directly to it and get a session, but over the 
>terminal server it doesn't work anymore.  I know that it is the serial port
>because we tried the same wire to the terminal server on both ports
>one at a time and the "bad one" doesn't work but the other functions perfectly.
>The fact that I can hook up a terminal directly though makes this all very
>weird.  We also hooked up the breakout box but the connects all
>lit the leds the same.  I don't know what to do to fix this.  Any help?

We also noticed that in the /usr/adm/messages file, there are about 600
lines like this:

Nov  4 12:45:13 cerebus getty: /dev/ttya: No such device or address
Nov  4 12:55:23 cerebus getty: /dev/ttya: No such device or address
Nov  4 13:05:32 cerebus getty: /dev/ttya: No such device or address

Also /dev/ttya's permissions were set to -rw--w--w- instead of -rw-rw-rw-.
But after changing the permissions back the post still wouldn't work
over the terminal server. Any help at all is greatly apreciated.

Ivan R.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments))
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:26:08 GMT

acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette) writes:

>Geeze.  You're comparing a computer to a PC?  gimme a break.
>No comparison needed.  Then again,  I could have an error in my extended
>memory,  or expanded(whatever that pc garbage is),  or god forbid,  

I guess you haven't heard of OS/2 or Unix on a 486 machine.  I hate the
extended/expanded crap that microsoft has given us as much as the next guy.

However, I haven't seen Sparc's in my price range(around $2000.00) and
when I have or thought about going for 3-5K range the software price
comes into effect!  I'd 10 times rather have a Sparc(or clone that was
faster than a 486) and 100 times rather have a HP 700 series, but dollars
are still the limiting factor.  I expect that if I had a comparable video
system to a workstation, I would have paid as much, but I don't.  Can
you get workstations with low end color?  I know a lot of the companies
offer gray(grey) scale pretty cheap, but I like the color.

I've been following the latest announcements about the new inexpensive
workstations quite a bit.  I've even seen some recent stuff about educational
discounts, now we're talking. :):)

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu


>one of my expansion cards.
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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SS10 Model 30 GX Plus double buffer
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:04:54 GMT
Organization: cic

luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos) writes:

>What is the meaning of double buffering? Sun offers a SS10 GX and a SS10GX Plus.
>The difference being a higher pixel resolution and double buffering for the GX Plus. 

>We are planning to use only X11R5 applications. No Open Windows. would the
>SS10 GX PLus have some merit for us?

Double buffering means that you have two framebuffer memories, of which only
one is displayed at a time. This allows you to update the display without
the update gradually building up on the screen. Instead it *wham* appears
when you switch buffers.

You desperately need this for animations (e.g. Aviator). You do not
need it for generic window systems activities.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: Cgfour from 3/60 on a 4/330?
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:45:43 GMT

Just over a week ago I posted a question here asking if a cg4 board from
a 3/60 would work in a 4/330.  The answer was that it depends.  The P4
bus in the 3/60 was an early version which was not compatible with later
versions.  The cg4 for this bus is part number 501-1210 and will not work
in anything besides a 3/60.  Unfortunately this is the type board I have.
There is a later cg4 with part number 501-1248.  This one is compatible
with all P4 busses, including being able to work in the older 3/60 bus.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Wanted: Internal HD mounting kit
Reply-To: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca
Organization: Prodigy Technologies Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:22:48 GMT

Hello folks,

I am looking for an internal hard drive mounting kit (bracket, power  
cable, SCSI cable) for Sparcstation 2 (4/75). Sun doesn't sell it and my  
usual Sun supplier doesn't have any spare ones.

While I'm at it, does anyone know any rack mount SCSI cage that would fit  
inside a 690MP?

Please reply by email as I don't read this group very often. Thanks.

Joe

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From: ajr@pug.hri.com (MFHorn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SPARCclassic - A new pricing question
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:31:09 GMT
Reply-To: ajr@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

One of the many articles posted recently mentioned we will be able to
upgrade older Sparcs, Sun 3 and 386i to a Classic or LX.  Does anyone
know how much they'll be giving for the various systems (I'm particularly
interested in upgrading a Sun 3)?  Are there limits to the configuration
of the system you're upgrading to?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD)
Subject: New Product Announcements: WHERE???
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:51:47 PST

The tittle says it all, where can I find today's announcements for
Sun's new products?

-- Denis
From: hanson@pogo.fnal.gov (Steve Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:35:52 GMT
Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL
Reply-To: hanson@pogo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: pogo.fnal.gov

In <1dpbvnINN1j5@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:

>harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:

>>Just caught the official announcement this morning. $3995 for
>>a 15 inch color, 200MB SPARC (Tsunami). Did I just hear
>>a collective heart attack at Intel and Microsoft?

>I'm a bit puzzled (only read wall street jnl so far).

>The price is $4k "in qtys of 12+".  Does that mean the list price
>is $4.5k or so?  What would the academic price be?  ($4k with 40% off
>would be quite attractive at $2400).

>I don't like the 15" color screen -- would have far preferred a bigger
>mono screen.  I do nothing with colour :-(
>Is there a 17+" mono option to replace the 15"?  (Is the ELC still
>what it used to be?)

>Is Solaris 2 now standard with all these systems?

>        -ans.
>-- 
>Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu

Well, since I have a little more info on this:

First off, the price is $3995 in quantities of 12.  Not 12+.  what
I mean is, price on the classic is 3995 each for 12 exactly.  If you
buy 14 you pay 3995 each for 12 and 4295 for the other two.

It's a non-discount item, so unless you can wrangle something special
its $3995 for academic also.  

The 15" monitor is 1024x768.  Essentially a good 76 Hz refresh
super VGA.  The midrange and higher end 16" monitors are available
as well as 19" color, and you have a choice of 207 or 424 meg disk.
I saw the 15" monitor this morning.  It looks - well better than
I expected, but not as nice as the current monitors.

19" greyscale is available as well.  Lots of prices.  Let's just say that
if you're talking the 207 meg disk prices are more or less

19" greyscale $4995 qty 1

15" color 4295 qty 1

16-inch midrange color $4995 qty 1

16 inch color $5995 qty 1

19" color 6995 qty 1

Both the classic and the LX REQUIRE solaris 2.1.  If you
want to run 4.1.X you still gotta buy the old machines.
ALl the older machines remain in the line for the time
being.  I got the impression this was to accomodate those
who don't want to move to 2.1.

Shipping is supposedly 3-4 weeks both for the workstations
and Solaris 2.1.

Hope this helps!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: borchert@walt.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert)
Subject: SPARCClassic
Organization: /home/grad/borchert/.organization
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:19:09 GMT

So what about this Tsunami chip running Solaris 2.x?  Is this really an 
alternative or is this Sun's version of the PCjr?  Will it be supported?
What is the advantage of getting one over a clone?  (You can get a Hyundai
SPARC 2 clone for a little over 6K.)

Chris Borchert
borchert@CS.MsState.Edu

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