HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: Binachi Limited & Ishiwata tubing
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:23:50 GMT

From article <1992Jul26.143505.6416@s1.gov>, by pcc@s1.gov (Philip C. Cox):
> I have just purchased a 1990 (or 89?) Bianchi Limited. I know
> nothing about the tubibg it is made of, or the relative quality
> 
> Ishiwata double butted chromoly tubing, with ishiwata unicrown fork,

Ishiwata has been making excellent tubesets for years, now, from way back
before anyone ever heard of Tange or True-Temper.  At the time I was looking 
for a road bike (10 years ago, now), Ishiwata tubing was considered on par
with SL and 531.  I haven't heard much from them, lately; I think they're
also making tubesets under other manufacturer's names.

> else, except that it is celest green from the tip to the tail. Let
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
The color is called "celeste blue"  Old (as in > 60 years old) Bianchis really
were a sky blue.  Over the years, it somehow turned into the inimitable
green we all know and love.

> me know if you have any info.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> -- 
> ***********************************************************************
> * Philip C. Cox          |  L.L.N.L.                                  *
> * E-Mail: pcc@s1.gov     |  P.O. Box 808 L-542                        *
> * VOICE: (415) 423-8316  |  Livermore, CA 94550                       *
> *=====================================================================*
> *                     Quote of the week :                             *
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> * "Many a man aims at nothing, and hits it with remarkable percision" *
> *                                             - unknown               *
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: TDF: First American Mountain stage win
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:31:20 GMT

John Kewley (jk@cs.man.ac.uk) writes:

> Anybody else impressed with Vona - 2 2nd places on the hardest stages, I
> hadn't heard of him before.

Rode well for Chioccioli in the Giro this year. Top 5 overall, I believe.


> What can you say about Lino, after his inspired performance in the last
> ITT, he could give Hampsten a run for his money. Looks like he took over
> Luc Leblanc's mantle from last year as top French outsider!

A good result sure changed Chiappucci, didn't it? Let's see how Lino does 
after the Tour.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: thingles@xerxes.cs.umn.edu (Jamie Thingelstad)
Subject: Suggestions for new fork
Followup-To: thingles@alexander.cs.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:22:43 GMT


Hello,

I have recently bent the fork on my Trek 830. I would like to hear some input
from people on what fork I should get.

I ride the 830 in what I term "aggressive street riding." Jumping curbs,
hopping stairs... this on the weekdays, and the weekends go off road for
some good mudding! :)

I recently bent the fork on the 830 (the one that comes with it, Trek
Cruise Control II).  I am looking for suggestions for a new fork. I would
like to stay less than $50 for the fork, aluminum is really out of the
question. Does anyone have experience with a VERY STRONG fork?

(I know I SHOULD get suspension, but I don't have the money right now)

Thanx ahead of time (email response preferred)...
--


+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Jamie Thingelstad                 | Ronald Reagan: A Triumph of the         |
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> You mean to tell me that these guys actaully convinced
> you of that BS about the bike being drawn along by the
> 'wind' from the 18 wheeler? :-)
> 
> Don't believe it. As long ago as Mile-a-minute Murphy
> that sort of pseudo-scientific garbage has been passed around.
> It was proven then and many times since that at the speeds
> used for these bicycle records that nothing of the sort exists.
> ...

What I believe is that Secrest will be drafting a vehicle which only
elimiates air drag, but does not create the wind effect.  I think
his main problem will be local police.

Another related topic is the Bordeaux-Paris classic where cyclists
are paced by motorcycles for the first couple of hundred miles and then
ride the remaining coupld of hundred solo.  I think it is no longer being
run, but I'll do some research and post details unless some other
volunteer beats me to it (all volunteers accepted).

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
From: gmacfadden@igc.org (Gary D. Mac Fadden)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Help: 2-way radios on tour
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:44:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1449700035:000:66
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!gmacfadden    Jul 29 15:44:00 1992


eaking one on one, that is.  Thanks for the help.  Gary MacFadden
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:19:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

You mean to tell me that these guys actaully convinced
you of that BS about the bike being drawn along by the
'wind' from the 18 wheeler? :-)

Don't believe it. As long ago as Mile-a-minute Murphy
that sort of pseudo-scientific garbage has been passed around.
It was proven then and many times since that at the speeds
used for these bicycle records that nothing of the sort exists.

The vehicle has a dead spot behind it where the air is moving at about
the speed of the vehicle. The rider _only_ (ONLY?) has to 
overcome the rolling resistance, which is still pretty large.
More problems occur in a long distance challenge since I for
one wouldn't like riding behind something that blocked off view
of 50 mph pot-holes. :-)
From: schmidt@gmd.de (Klaus P. Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Grig Lemmon? (was Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF))
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:40:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: gmd.schmidt.711992406
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Vlad writes:

>> Given the fact that Lemond is of French origin (LeMonde), I would not be
>> too critical of the French pronunciation of his name...

>The French (and other Europeans) find that Lemond, being spelled the way
>it is should be pronounced Americain as in 'Grig Lemmon'.  ...

Wait a moment, Jobst.

1. "_The_ French" ? Certainly not. I have heard other pronunciations
   of Greg's name from some of them.

2. What about asking Greg himself?

   A german television reporter has done so. He asked Greg how to
   pronounce his name: 'Lemmond, le'mond (with the "ond" as in "bond")
   or le'mon (with a nasal sound).
   Greg laughed and said: le'mond, of course.

   Attending an English course in Cambridge (England) I learned, that
   people in Great Britain strive to pronounce names correctly, that is
   as the owners of the names pronounce their names themselves. I don't
   find it tedious but I do find it a matter of respect and politeness.

----
Klaus P. Schmidt                             klaus.p.schmidt@gmd.de
German National Research Center for Computer Science (GMD)
P.O.Box 13 16   W-5205 Sankt Augustin, Germany   (+49 2241) 14-3139
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From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:32:05 GMT
Subject: Re: repair kits
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

gt3930b@prism.gatech.EDU (NICHOLS,STEVEN MALCOLM) writes:

 	>pump
	>1 spare tube
	>patch kit
	>2 tire levers
	>chain rivet remover
	>4, 5, 6 mm Allen wrenches
	>8, 9, 10 mm socket wrenches
	>6" crescent wrench
	>spoke wrench
	>bit of duct tape (to boot a ripped tire)
	>$0.25 to make a phone call

>Anyway, I wonder what tools other rec.bicyclists carry on tours (or on
>everyday rides for that matter)?  Is there any tool I haven't listed that
>you believe is essential?  

A VISA card with a lot of head room!  I say this only half in jest.

-Bud
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stevek@bean.uucp (Stephen Kruse)
Subject: Re: TdF: Zulle and Cippolini?
Organization: Compass Design Automation   San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:42:46 GMT

In article <BrJ8sM.HBy@scd.hp.com> apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
>Has anyone any more information on why Zulle and Cippolini retired?  I caught
>the end of the Channel 4 programme last night, where Phil Liggett was saying
>Zulle had been retired because he was too young.  
>
>The only reason I heard for Cippolini retiring was sour grapes, that he
>wasn't able to get into any sprints.  Would his team manager allow him to
>give just for this?
>
Zulle's TdF ended as planned at the rest day in Dole. He is only
22 or 23 and his ONCE coach did not want to burn him out. Indurain
did exactly the same thing when he was a neo-pro in the 85 (?) TdF.
Whereas big things are expected from Zulle in the future, I'm sure
Laurent Jalabert would prefer to see an extra domestique chasing
down breaks in the second half TdF stages, as he pursues the Points
jersey.
As for Cippolini, his sprinting hopes were dashed after his leadout
man Eros, whose surname escapes me (but gotta "love" that first name),
crashed and abandoned due to injury on the Brussels stage. Besides,
Mario never had a hope of making it through the Alps.

The TdF this year is on course to become the fastest (avg speed)
in history...
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Steve Kruse                                   VLSI Technology, EURL
vlsisj!sophia!stevek@uunet                    Sophia-Antipolis, FRANCE
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: Cinelli MTBs?
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:29:26 GMT

In article <connolly.712333977@vincent1.iastate.edu> connolly@iastate.edu (Patrick H Connolly) writes:
>Just a quick question-  Does anyone have any experience with Cinelli
>mountain bikes?  The one in question is last year's model with SunTour
>XC Pro parts.  I know that the bikes are not made by Cinelli and
>are made in the far east (Taiwan, probably).  Also, what's the mood
>on XC Pro?  Personally, I like Deore XT, but my brother wants to get
>into the sport...
>Thanks,
>Patrick.
>
     I have a Cinelli Ottomila, and love it. It has a long top tube, very comfortable on
the road touring, and the Columbus Nivachrome frame is very responsive on the trails. The
rims are Campy, and the rest of the bike is Suntour XC Pro and Comp equipped. The bike
is actually made by Gary Fisher and is similar to his Procaliber. Feel free to email
me for any more comments you have on the bike.

     Marcus
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:56:01 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division

ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:

>and see the results in the paper.  (BTW I *am* a Neilsen data point,
>so turning off the set tells NBC that about 4000 people in Boulder CO
>were disgusted with their coverage!)

Stop that!  What makes you think NBC is going to figure out that 4000
people in Boulder CO actually wanted to see _better_ cycling as
opposed to more boxing?

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:19202 sci.med:14868
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Numbness during extended bicycling & other overuse injuries
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:58:08 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
|						      There is
|also no reason to suppose that if the disk was surgically removed
|you could not return to riding.  There are many competitive athletes
|that have had the procedure and are competing at the top of their
|sport.

Including one J. Michael Plumb, age 52, currently in Barcelona
competing for the U.S. in the three-day event; he has at least one
fusion (cervical I think but maybe lumbar ... I learned about this
nearly 20 years ago).

Oh.  Bicycles.  Still, Mike does compete in a pretty strenuous sport.

	/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
              N1MNF  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
                     |					-- S. J. Perelman
From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wanted: Club in central NJ or NYC
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:54:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services


I apologize if this is the improper place to post this posting.  

I am not trying to revive the "triathlon" discussion in any way, shape or form. 

I am a triathlete looking for a cycling club to ***learn*** how to pack ride,
train, and race with.  

I would be using "normal" cycling equipment (no tri stuff).  My goal is to 
learn how to ride with a pack, and eventually (and hopefully) compete in 
cycling (USCF) events.

While I have raced in about 20-30 triathlons, I have never trained or raced in
a pack riding situation.  My only "request" is that the club members would be 
understanding of my background and willing to teach pack riding skills.  

I live in the central NJ area (North Brunswick), so a club there is my first
choice.  My second choice is to find a club in New York City that rides in
Central Park, or perhaps in the Bronx.

Again, I do not wish to open the triathlete vs cyclist debate.  

Anyway, please e-mail (reply) all suggestions directly to me.  Thanks.

Rolf Arands
arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
From: jacobson@hadar.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: salaries in the peloton
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:12:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.1659
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Jul24.105135.10507@watson.ibm.com> ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas) writes:
>   football (soccer) enjoys much greater popularity than any other
>   sport, therefore there is much more money poured into it, which
>   is reflected in higher salaries.
>   american sports scene (are baseball or golf really sports?) is
			       ^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   obscene as far as salaries go.
>-- 

you`re joking, right?

--
Douglas Jacobson		            .__o                  GO METS!
jacobson@bucknell.edu                      `\_<,                  GO JETS!
                       __________________(*)/'(*)__________________
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:30:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul24.111920.245@mis.mcw.edu> jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu writes:
>National TV coverage with an ESPN voice over).
>
>Dumb questions about TdF:
>1)  What is the basis of the "team" scores?

I believe that first six rider's (or is it four?) times are added for
the team time. I find this a good indication of team strengths.
 
>2)  What is the significance of finishing first in a mass finish like
>yesterday's (Stage 18)?  Every one gets the same time, and it has no effect 
>on the overall standings.  It is *just* fame, or am I missing something?

There are stage winners and also the intermediate winners. The original
reason was that it was difficult to score if you had to time these guys
all crossing the line at the same time on narrow streets. So the rule is
that if you cross without a space between you and the rider in front of
you you get the same time.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Subject: Re: Benefits of stretching
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:08:11 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naru@mustang.eng.umd.edu


In article <26005@sophia.inria.fr>, chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.204102.2423@meaddata.com>, georged@meaddata.com (George
>Dibos) writes:
>|>  ....
>|> Since then, there is mounting evidence that limit stretching--even if it
>|> isn't ballistic--causes micro-tears in muscles and connective tissues
>|> and actually CAUSES injuries in an accumulative fashion that isn't 
>|> completely understood.  The new thinking is that stretching should only
>|> be performed after your body's core temperature is significantly raised
>|> following exercise, and your ligaments, etc. are warm.
>|> 
>
>I agree completely. My experience with stretching is that it
>doesn't help a whole lot, and it may actually cause injuries
>rather than prevent them. (Yes, I have read Bob Anderson's book.)
>
>What does help is a good *warm up* before any strenuous physical
>activity.
>
>Chandy

I have to disagree about the effectiveness of stretching. Before I started stretching
I couldn't touch my toes when my legs were locaked and would have lower back aches 
after cycling for about 30 min.  Now just after two weeks of streching everyday,
I can grasp my toes and my back no longer hurts like it use too. (Ofcourse
I've been doing crunches too)

When you think about how stretched out you are on a road bike, being flexible
has to help, which is definitely improved by stretching consistently.

Naru
From: wy0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William S. Young)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: vitus for sale
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:39:33 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Vitus 54cm aluminum frame with Dura Ace components, Look pedals, aero or
standard bars. $650/BO
Call Paul 216 687-2247 or 216 321-4381 ( after 5pm EST )
From: hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: TDF reporting (was Re: LeMond is officially gone.)
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:55:23 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <9207212356.AA14592@micro> chuang@micro (Michael Chuang) writes:

>Good lord, even in Boulder they have this problem ?  In today's
>Boston Globe the TdF article by Susan Bickelhaupt (sp?) devotes more space
>to a description of Otto Jacome's clothing than to Hampsten's performance...
>
>I may be wronging
>the poor woman -- for all I know she's an ardent but sadly ignorant
>cycling enthusiast -- but I get the impression that she drew the short
>straw and was forced to cover that stupid bike race instead of writing
>about something really important, like what fat-assed Wade Boggs is
>sleeping with.
>
>chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu

Actually, I think you are wronging her.  I don't know how to spell her
name either, but she writes TDF columns every year for the Globe.  I
think she and Samuel Abt (New York Times, International Herald-Tribune)
are the only two American sports columnists who do this.

Bruce Hoppe
hoppe@cs.cornell.edu
From: bdombrow@triton.unm.edu (brent m 92jun08 dombrowski)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Summary: Loose Bike Racks
Keywords: Racks
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:07:54 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	More important than what type of rack you lock your bike to is whether
or not the rack is secure.  Here at the University of New Mexico someone took
off with an entire bike rack (15 bikes).  The racks are still not secure in some
places.  The people who got their bikes stolen tried to sue the school, but the
school passed the buck around and nothing happend.  All someone needs is a pick
up truck and a few friends.

Brent Dombrowski (bdombrow@triton.unm.edu)

--
From: chuang@micro (Michael Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: touring packing list
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:38:40 GMT

Jobst posted a nice list of stuff that one might consider carrying
on a tour.  Here are a few more items that may be of use:

> CLOTHING
> [...]
> Cycling shoes
walking shoes *
Croakies or other (sun)glass retainers

> MECHANICAL
> Spare tire and tube
and a pump !

>SUNDRIES:
wash cloth or portion of a "swimmer's towel"
identification 
proof of health care coverage (e.g. Blue Cross card)
----------------------------------------------------------------
* For some reason I have the impression that Jobst doesn't wear
cleats.  True or not, for those that do, it's real nice to have
shoes one can walk in.  Sandals are nice.  I also suggest a pair
of "Kung Fu" black cloth shoes.  These are light and sometimes
look more formal than sandals, which is occasionally beneficial.

Having proof that someone will pay for medical costs is important
in the United States.  I used to know someone who had a duplicate
of her Blue Cross (insurance card) riveted to her seat bag -- on
the outside.  While this strikes me as excessive, it's probably a
good idea to have some ID, proof of coverage, and maybe a card with
phone numbers of people who will care about you if some mishap 
should occur.

Jobst also suggests "Pocket calculator (for currency computations)."
Even if you can do a good first-order approximation in your head (as
I suppose JB can do) these are still useful for haggling if there
is no common language.  I've seen a Burmese and a European tourist
work out the price for some trinket by punching in counteroffers on
a calculator and passing it back and forth when I was in Malaysia.
Seemed to be awfully convenient.

chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:25:05 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

$ Given the fact that Lemond is of French origin (LeMonde), I would not be
$ too critical of the French pronounciation of his name...
$ [...]

I learned from TV (a very reliable place to learn things) that although
Lemond's name looks like the French word for "the world", he has no
French blood and that he is of Scottish descent.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Why Are Power Bars Banned in Canada?
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:24:02 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

	Hi folks,  just a quick question prompted a few days back about Power
Bars being banned in Canada.  WHY?  P.S If it makes you feel better they cost
around NZ$3.80 down here.

Feel free to e-mail,  but I can't post back to specific sites...

Jonathan.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: connolly@iastate.edu (Patrick H Connolly)
Subject: Cinelli MTBs?
Summary: Any good, bad things to say?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:32:57 GMT

Just a quick question-  Does anyone have any experience with Cinelli
mountain bikes?  The one in question is last year's model with SunTour
XC Pro parts.  I know that the bikes are not made by Cinelli and
are made in the far east (Taiwan, probably).  Also, what's the mood
on XC Pro?  Personally, I like Deore XT, but my brother wants to get
into the sport...
Thanks,
Patrick.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: alant@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Alan Tragarz (JD))
Subject: Re: Tour de France:  translations from l'Equipe are done
Organization: NCR Corp., E&M San Diego
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:37:40 GMT

In article <25513@sophia.inria.fr> seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales)
writes:
>
>Vive le sport - vive le velo - vive le Tour de France!
>
>Brent

And vive Brent Seales.  Thanks for a great job covering the Tour. I still
would like to hear some more of your racing stories in France.