HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Vitamin C dosage?
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug29.220802.11210
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <11097.2A9B8BCF@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn) writes:
>Beta carotine can interact with certain drugs used to treat acne, cancer, or 
>AIDS. It increases the bodies sensitivity to sunlight,
>potenially giving the patient burns or skin cancer. Ask your doctor/
>pharmacist.

And David Dodell wonders why my opinion of his FIDOnet feed is what it is.


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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Pre-req's for Texas med schools?
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:58:54 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Is there anyone out there who can give me some sort of idea
as to what pre-requisites are needed for med-schools in Texas?

email if possible please.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: KY Laws R.E. Nutrition Withdrawl
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Followup-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


J. Randall Thompson writes:
I hope this dispells any thoughts that Kentucky has 'archaic' laws!
After all, I'm sure you would all agree that seat belts use shouldn't
be legislated, minors should be able to smoke cigarettes, and 
cockfighting is a great sport...! 

I reply:
I find it rather strange that an advocate for someone's right to die
peacefully when afflicted with a terminal illness without government
interference would advocate other forms of intrusion that are much
more insidious.

Seatbelt use, while a very good idea, is not in the perview of any
government agency, particularly when there are laws in the making that
would give police permission to stop-and-search for it, rather than
add it as a secondary charge.

I personally dislike cockfighting and similar activities, which are
legitimate reasons for the cruelty-to-animal laws.  When such laws are
used against legitimate hunting or pest-control activities, I resent
the intrusion and will object.

About the only thing I'll completely agree with is the minors with
tobacco, but only for the reason that they are minors, thus are not
citizens and thus have no rights.  Once they become citizens, freedom
to screw with their own lives without interference is part of it.

Followups to e-mail as this will go ouside sci.med limits and I have
no access to an appropriate group.

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From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Salmonella
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug28.202339.19246@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:

>Since we eat as a family, what are the
>chances of one person out of four contracting salmonella?  The only part
>of his diet that isn't shared with other family members is milk: he drinks
>non-fat and we drink low-fat.  Can milk harbour salmonella?

If the milk was pasturized, the Salmonella would have to get in it
after it got to the store, or in your home. It is more likely that
one portion of the other good (poultry, eggs, etc) was infected and
the others weren't. 

Salmonella can also be spread by oral-fecal route, by the way.

How was the diagnosis made? Was there a positive stool culture,
blood culture, or what?

 -km



Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.chem,sci.bio
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Question about Dyes and Pigments
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:36:23 GMT

Because of some allergies/sensitivities, I'm interested in the
chemical formulas of certain dyes and pigments.  Also, 1 book I
read listed a number of chemicals naturally or unnaturally occuring
in foods, and for beets (red beet root), FD&C Red #3 and FD&C Red #40
were listed.  It also said that cranberries contain FD&C #40.

Now, what I am wondering is whether they meant that beets and
cranberries are sometimes artificially colored or that these foods
naturally contain substances that resemble or are identical to the
coal-tar derived azo-dyes, the way real vanilla contains vanillin
which is identical to the synthetic vanillin.

So, the dyes and pigments I'm most interested in are:
FD&C Yellow #5 (tartrazine)
FD&C Red #3    (erythrosine)
betacyanins
betaxanthins

I'm also interested (but less so) in:
FD&C Red #40
FD&C Red #2
FD&C Yellow #6
anthocyanins
anthoxanthins
xanthophylls

Any information on their similarity or difference, especially in
how they might behave as haptens in reactions with proteins would
be greatly appreciated.  I've directed follow-ups to sci.med.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: claudia@lonex.rl.af.mil (Claudia M. Servadio-Coyne)
Subject: Re: Infra-red Glucose Meters
Organization: RL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:39:24 GMT

The meters I was wondering about the non-invasive dream beam that is being
tested in Canada.  I heard it will cost as much as 2,000 dollars and only be good for five years.  I also heard from my doctor that the meter is completed and 
a war is over profits between the manufacturer and ADA.


claudia@lonex.rl.af.mil
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:28:19 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In referenced article bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>Medical information that is not communicated in this
>>manner may quite easily mislead someone into injuring themselves or
>>others.  
>
>Well, I view this as the final straw. As I have indicated before, I
>have always been worried about the possibility of people taking the
>net too seriously, of view information here as medical advice and to
>infer some type of doctor-patient relationship from encounters here.

Clearly the information given in sci.med is medical *information*.  Other
than exhortations to see one's doctor, I don't recall ever seeing anything
that could be construed as direct treatment advice.

I'm sorry you feel so uncomfortable on this point Ken, clearly it's a major
issue for you.  I hope your preoccupation with malpractice doesn't
give you such difficulties in your face to face practice.

>The increasing insistence from others regarding the tone, nature,
>and content of postings from medical people here has me worried.

The truth is that all that has happened is that the *information* has been
questioned!  Everything else is spawned from how this questioning is
received, with patience or with arrogance.

>Gordon posted honest, factual information regarding spina bifida and
>associated conditions, and is being reamed for it because of
>"netside manner", whatever that is.

Gordon doesn't seem to have much idea what "netside manner" is either (:-).

Seriously though, the *information* isn't getting reamed, its the lack of
communication in some postings that's so unfortunate, no matter how many
facts they contain.

The worst teacher presents exactly the same facts as the best teacher does!
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From: amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Circles
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:38:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I remember on the show "Our Gang" (with Buckwheat, Alfalfa and Spanky) there
was a dog "Petie" who always had a cirle around his eye.  

Coincidence??

I think not!
From: masa@cs.tut.fi (Ide Masahiko)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: [Question] Alcohol and pregnancy
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:56:27 GMT
Reply-To: masa@cs.tut.fi
Distribution: sci
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.

My wife became pregnant lately (about 7 or 8 weeks now). Books tell alcohol
is harmful especially in the first stage of pregnancy. I am worried 
because she drank quite a lot (mainly beer) while we traveled in Germany 
and Austria from Aug. 6th to 20th before she noticed her pregnancy.

Has the baby been affected by the alcohol ?  If so, in what way ?
Please answer by email or posting.

Thank you in advance.

masa
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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Mercury in dental fillings?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:29:26 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <BtoKMt.GH0@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:

>gb> Maybe the dentist himself is a victim of child abuse, poor schools,
>gb> mental illness, etc.  Under this theory, no one is a free agent
>gb> and no one is responsible for anything.  I think the only way to
>gb> go is to try to accept responsibility for your own life and actions
>gb> and not go around looking for someone to blame for everything bad
>gb> that happens to you. (Of course, people are quick to claim credit
>gb> for their successes, aren't they?)  I'm not denying fraud, but
>gb> neither should we glorify being a sucker.  I've been defrauded
>gb> myself, and I blame the crook, but I also blame myself for not
>gb> being more careful.
>
>Why should you blame yourself for someone else's ignorance or 
>dishonesty?  
>
I don't blame myself for their dishonesty, I blame myself for
being stupid enough to let them take me in.  Similarly, the
poster in question was stupid enough to seek out this dentist
to drill out his amalgams, so you can hardly blame the dentist
for acquiesing to his request, or at least he doesn't deserve
all the blame.

>If your dentist had told you that amalgams cause MS, and you had 
>reconfirmed this claim during a visit to your local library, would
>you really be culpable? 

Yes, because the library work wouldn't have confirmed it.  I would
have found the balance of opinion strongly against Hg as a cause
for MS.  If I had then gone ahead, I would have to accept the
results of my own stupidity.

>The fact of the matter is that you'd be 
>"guilty" of having misinformation, not having some sort of character 
>flaw.
>
Or guilty of failing to evaluate information properly.  It isn't
necessarily a character flaw, and there are things that are
your fault that are not related to any character flaws, except
perhaps failing to be perfect.

>I don't doubt that quite a few of the malefactors who promote such
>schemes are deliberately defrauding the public, but it seems to
>me that our societal purpose would be better served if we stick
>with the educational and scientific aspects of the problem and
>set aside the character judgments which, after all, are harder to
>prove.   
>

Right, like I said.  Assessing blame isn't very useful.  But
that's what the legal profession is all about now, isn't it?


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From: path@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Pat Harper)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:17:11 GMT
Subject: Thanks Paul A Human
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: sci.med

     Paul, thanks for the information.  I had just about given up on this
     notes group.  As to your curiosity about my interest in the subject,
     my son was born with extrahepatic billiary atresia and required a
     liver transplant at 6 mo.s of age.  He is now almost 2 and is doing
     fantastic.  He is on cyclosporine and is handling it well although
     his BUN is heading up and to the right and the gum overgrowth is
     causing teething problems.  I have found that it is up to my wife and
     I to be as educated as we can on his care and that the more we
     know the better care he gets.  When I saw the mention of Rapamycin
     I wanted to know more. 

     Thanks again for the information, I am sure the references will prove
     useful.

     Pat Harper
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:01:21 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

cuegf@dcatla.uucp wrote:
> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>> Xanax is neither safe nor effective for other than short-term use
>> (short term, e.g.: you have to fly today and you have fear of flying).
>> It is physically addictive, and loses most of its antianxiety effect
>> after about 2 weeks use.
> For those who read this post, the poster expresses views and cites
> literature commonly known as anti-psychiatry, a vocal, rabid 
> minority movement which regards all drugs in psychiatry as 
> dangerous and ignores any positive help persons may have received
> from medications.  They dismiss all scientific evidence 
> implicated in brain disorders, such as neurotransmitter imbalance,
> structural changes (such as enlarged ventricles, changes in 
> limbic system substructures, differences in frontal and temporal
> lobes), electrical abnormalities, etc.

Funny, I thought all he was saying was that one specific drug had a few
serious problems.

Get a sense of proportion.

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Xref: sparky sci.med:16625 alt.sources.wanted:1439
From: becker@med-in.uni-sb.de.med-in.uni-sb.de
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.sources.wanted
Subject: Wanted: programs for intensive medical care station
Date: 31 Aug 92 05:10:02 GMT
Organization: Medizinische Universitaetsklinik, D-6650  Homburg / Saar
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Sirs,

I'm looking for some software for a medical intensive care station. There 
are many situations, where a program can aid doctors in intensive care.
An example: The calculation of the dose of drugs in infusion therapy in 
treading a diabetical coma.
The other type of software sought is the documentation on a intensive
medical care station.

Please excuse my bad english.

Thanks 
Dieter Becker


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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: phentermine & fenfluramine
Keywords: sci.med
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:35:17 GMT


If you can get your library reference desk to help you, look for an
article within the past couple of months in the New York Times on the
recent major study using phentermine and fenfluramine; you can then
call the university where it was done and they will send you a very
clear helpful summary of the study, from their public relations dept.

Sorry I can't give you the details, I did all that, it was fascinating,
and I passed the info on.  The complete text of the study is also
offered, to MDs who request it, or can be found in a medical library
that takes the journal where it appeared.

Look in the newspaper index under 'weight loss' ought to find it.
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Need info on TENS electro stimulator
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:29:34 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/715 - Alternative Lifesty, Wyndmoor PA

>from: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
 
> What is dangerous about this technology that 
> would restrict its availability?  
> It is not so pleasurable that I would be 
> inclined to overindulge and I don't 
> have a pacemaker. :-)
> 
> His comment about availability doesn't quite 
> jibe with the above mentioned
> sticker.  In otherwords, maybe chiropractors are 
> unable to prescribe it but
> MDs are?  I live in California if that makes any difference. 
 
The problem with TENS is that often they do not work.


 

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From: ibdadmin@mvac23.UUCP (IBD Mailing List Administrator)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: tele # of the foundation for IBD related issues
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 09:26:44 EDT
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

ashok@kpc.com (Ashok Yerneni) wrote:
> that specifically dealt with Chron's, Ulcerative colitis and other
> IBD related diseases. Could you post the name of the foundation
> and the telephone number please?

Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America (formerly
called National Foundation for Ileitis and Colitis)
is the name.  The phone number is 800-932-2423,
or if you are outside the USA, 212-685-3440.
    -tom
Thomas Lapp
IBDList moderator

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Hepatitis A,B,C,Delta,Non-A, Non-B
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:51:18 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <11098.2A9B8BD1@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn) writes:
>O.K.. Will a professional please tell me if "Non-A, Non-B Hepatitis
>is different than or is another word for Hepatits C, Hepatitis Delta?
>What are we dealing with? Would someone break this down on a chart?
>(Please cite the pathogen, transmission route(s), alternate name if there is 
>one, test, etiology, Tx or phase of Tx). I know about A, and
>B, and for that matter iatrogenic hep). But it would be of great service (my 
>opinion) if someone created a chart of the types of Hep,
>and what we have to potentially deal with. Thank you in advance.
>
>
> 
As a first approximation, hepatitis C is synonymous with non-A,
non-B hepatitis. However, there are some NANB cases that are
apparently not due to HCV. Delta hepatitis is a defective virus
that requires coinfection with HBV to infect. HEV is an enterically-
transmitted virus of the third world.

What is "phase of Tx"?

Brian
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:32:23 GMT

kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c) writes:

>does anybody have any wisdom to offer to a 27 year old who has to have
>all 4 wisdom teeth removed?

>ideas, comments, warnings or bay area oral surgeon
>recommendations/disrecommendations would be great.

>(it's actually a suggestion, by a dentist who noticed 3 cavities, to
>have all 4 teeth removed by an oral surgeon.)

I don't mean to depress you or anything, BUT...

Make sure that you have a good three or four days clear where you don't
have ANYTHING to do because you are going to feel SICK, SICK, SICK.  I
had two wisdom teeth pulled in January and I basically just lay in bed
for two days afterward.  The doctor prescribed tylenol/codeine but that
just made me even sicker.

Of course, you may be hardier than I.  I had the first two pulled when I was
17 and it didn't hurt as much then.  This time I spent about two weeks
taking Advil for the pain.

And to make you feel better about it...

You'll feel /much/ better after you have it taken care of and after the
pain has worn off.  It's nearly impossible to keep wisdom teeth clean and
when you get plaque around them, it can affect the other teeth around them.
So, you'll probably just feel better not having them, as I do.  It's 
awful and painful, but it is worth it.


Sharon O'Neil
oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel)
Subject: Re: UGH. (Was B12)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:54:49 GMT

km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:


>People wonder why I get exasperated by this newsgroup: In response
>to some thread on people taking B12, I posted a brief discussion
>about B12 deficiency and its relative infrequency. My thoughts
>echoed what has been taught for years in medical school. In response,
>someone disputes the relative infrequency of B12 deficiency with a
>factual-sounding statement that 40% of people in their 70s are
>B12 deficient. The reference is a talk-radio show.

[stuff deleted] ...

Yeah, if the purpose of the group is to show how much more you know
than everyone else, I can see why you'ld be frustrated that everyone
doesn't take you 18 year old medical school advice as god's-own-truth.
It doesn't sound like you posted a "discussion" as much as you posted
your "correct" answer.

Nobody is forcing you do head off to look up a citation - good grief!
you might find out something that you wouldn't have known otherwise!!!

Admittedly, much of what people hear on the news/TV/newage books is 
trash. How do people choose what is reasonable? Some people discuss it
on the net. Others ask their doctors (hence the major flames about useless
MDs??) Would you rather people stayed ignorant or asked for other 
opinions about what they read and hear?

Rod Rempel - rrempel@sfu.ca
Department of Kinesiology, Simon Fraser University 
... if two million people do a stupid thing it's still a stupid thing.


Newsgroups: sci.med,comp.ai.neural-nets
From: yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
Subject: Neural Nets for Diabetes Management
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:19:53 GMT

I'm looking for information about the feasibility of using neural networks
in the management of chronic diseases.

I'm particularly interested in improving the treatment of diabetes. Over
the years there has been some clinical research into the use of software to
log information about the status of the patient (blood glucose levels) and
to make suggestions about insulin dose based on crude and incomplete
models.

These models cannot begin to handle all the variables that can affect the
management of the disease, for example: food composition, timing of
injection before eating, time of day, site of injection, exercise quantity
and time of day, body weight, etc. It seems to me that neural networks
would be ideal for using the wealth of data acquired in daily management
and making very good suggestions about optimal treatment (insulin dose,
amount of food, exercise duration, etc.). It would be unnecessary then for
assumption and validation of any models -- the neural network is trained
empirically for each individual with the goal of good control.

Any info about problems like this that have been or are being investigated
would be greatly appreciated. Please email to me and I will summarize.

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From: Don.Hayes@f914.n714.z3.fidonet.org (Don Hayes)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: MIGRAINE
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:36:27 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:714/914

Are there any migraine sufferers out there?? In trying to get a better 
understanding of my own affliction I'd be interested in your experiences so 
perhaps I can stop my attacks.

Thanks and regards....


 

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