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From: rc@netarch.com (Ran-Chi Huang)
Subject: Help with XView program (ttysw)
Organization: Network Architecture Consulting
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:26:50 GMT

This is the very first XView program that I'm writing and hope that
netters can offer some suggestions and help me out.

I'm writing a "Telnet tool" so that when the "Connect" button is
clicked, a Telnet window pops up. When I am done with this
telnet session, I want the telnet window to exit gracefully.

I also want the ability to have as many telnet windows as I want by
clicking on this button. i.e. each click of this button will fire up
a new telnet window.

I was told that I may need a ttysw ? I have the main framework done
but I'm not sure how to get this to work. If you have some example code
that does this, that would be most helpful.

Please email responses to me and I will summarize if there is interest.

Thanks

-rc
rc@netarch.com

Here is the code that I wrote. It's short.

#include <xview/panel.h>
#include <xview/frame.h>

Frame		frame;
Panel		panel, subpanel;
Panel_item	status, start_b;

void		doconnect();

main (argc, argv)
	int argc;
	char **argv;
{
	xv_init (XV_INIT_ARGC_PTR_ARGV, &argc, argv, NULL);

	frame = xv_create (NULL, FRAME,
		XV_LABEL, "Localhost Tool",
		XV_HEIGHT, 300,
		XV_WIDTH, 400,
		0);
 
	panel = xv_create (frame, PANEL, 0);

	start_b = xv_create (panel, PANEL_BUTTON,
		PANEL_LABEL_STRING, "Connect...",
		PANEL_NOTIFY_PROC, doconnect,
		0);

	window_fit_height (panel);

	subpanel = (Panel) xv_create (frame, PANEL,
		WIN_BELOW, canvas_paint_window(panel),
		XV_WIDTH,  xv_get(panel, XV_WIDTH),
		XV_HEIGHT, xv_get(panel, XV_HEIGHT)+100,
		WIN_BORDER, TRUE,
		PANEL_LAYOUT, PANEL_VERTICAL,
		0);

	status = xv_create (subpanel, PANEL_TEXT,
		PANEL_LABEL_STRING, "Status",
		PANEL_LABEL_WIDTH, 50,
		PANEL_VALUE, "Not connected",
		PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, 20,
		PANEL_VALUE_STORED_LENGTH, 20,
		0);

	window_fit_height (frame);

	xv_main_loop (frame);
}

void
doconnect (i, e)
	Panel_item i;
	Event *e;
{
	printf ("Telnet ... function\n");
}
-- 
--
Ran-Chi Huang                                               rc@netarch.com
Network Architecture Consulting., Fremont, CA                   netarch!rc
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: drh@unccsun.uncc.edu (drew hartman)
Subject:   Argggg That Red Spot!
Reply-To: drh@unccsun.uncc.edu (drew hartman)
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:29:32 GMT



I know this has been talked about before, but would some kind soul email
me  on how they removed that red highlight, when a widget is "in focus".

Drew
drh@unccsun.uncc.edu
From: mintz@orchid.UCSC.EDU ()
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Help please: Win 3.1 and modem problem
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:56:48 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu
Summary: System reboots upon hangup

I am having a problem using my modem in Windows 3.1.  About 40% of the
time when my modem hangs up, my system performs a cold reboot.  I have
checked quite carefully and there does no seem to be an interrupt 
conflict.  The problem occurs only in enhanced mode, not standard mode.
It happens both using Windows Terminal and Procomm Plus for Windows.
Occasionally if I've used the modem during a session and my phone later
rings, the system will reboot then also.  Microsoft can not solve my
problem.  My modem is a generic Hayes compatible 2400 baud model, the
company that made it no longer exists (I wonder why...).  My system
is a 386/33 Mhz using the AMI bios.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Eric Mintz
mintz@biology.ucsc.edu
From: colburn@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: XY Plotting Widget Request
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:20:50 GMT
Reply-To: bcolburn@bgm.link.com
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: colburn@gidney.oswego.edu

A friend suggested I post to see if anyone has a XY plotting widget that is
public domain.  I am just starting to work on this type of stuff and don't
have much of a clue yet.  Please respond via email since I don;t get much of
a chance to read this group.

				THANKS!

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From: rkeel@fnugget.intel.com (William R Keel)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Morphing package released
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:40:03 GMT
Organization: INTEL.FOLSOM

In article <74019@cup.portal.com> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
>Glasgow, Montana - January, 1993
>--------------------------------
>Black Belt Systems, a leading developer of sophisticated image manipulation
>tools, announces the release of WinImages:morph for Windows 3.1 (tm). This
>
>    Highlights of the WinImages:morph software
>    ------------------------------------------
>    o  Directly generates .FLC animations or individual streams of frames

WOW! pretty impressive stuff!  It would make sense to have .AVI support
as well...but I suppose there was enough to do when writing this program
already.
1 question - how much time would it take to morph a 680x400 picture?  I'm
sure it all depends on the amount of detail that would need to be morphed,
but is it a factor of days, hours, minutes, or seconds?

Reed
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: jhochman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joshua M Hochman)
Subject: WINA20.386
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:18:05 GMT

   Here's a real brain-dead question....  Is the file WINA20.386 included with 
the windows 3.0 distribution disks?  When I installed it and tried to run 
windows in enhanced mode, I recieved an error saying that I need that file.  I 
was able to get it from a friend and it worked fine.  Unfortunately, I had to 
reinstall windows at a later date due to other reasons (HD space), and guess 
what....no WINA20.386!  At some point, I guess that it got erased from my root 
directory (probably my roomate's doing) and I cannot undelete it.  So I 
figured, Hey, it'll be on the installation disk, but no dice.  WHat's up with 
this?  Am I just hopeless or what?

   Josh H.

----------trying my dammnest to run windows....:)---------------------

  jhochman@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu

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From: jpichett@sobeco.com (Jacques-Bertrand Pichette)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: WINFAX PRO 3.0
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:23:58 GMT
Organization: JBP

In <1993Jan15.101354.3392@concurrent.co.uk> nnw@concurrent.co.uk (Neil Watson) writes:

>In article <1993Jan14.034043.4787@sobeco.com> jpichett@sobeco.com (Jacques-Bertrand Pichette) writes:
>>In <381.291.uupcb@u2u.lonestar.org> jeff.arledge@u2u.lonestar.org (Jeff Arledge)  writes:
>>
>>>I just purchased WINFAX PRO 3.0.  I have a 9624BS Superlink Fax/Modem.
>>>It is set on COM2.  My problem is that when I send a fax sometimes it
>>>goes sometimes it doesnt.  I fax to a friend alot that has a answer
>>>machine and during the initial message you have to push the send
>>>button on my fax machine for his fax machine to recgonize that it is a
>>>fax. But with WINFAX without a SEND button to push sometimes it picks it
>>>up but most of the time it doesnot.  How can I make WINFAX work with a
>>>setup like that? I listen to the fax through the computer and when it
>>>starts to dial it starts sending out pulses that sounds like it is
>>>trying to tell that it is a fax but it usually stops before the
>>>connection is made.  I also fax to another place that has a Cannon
>>>FaxPhone50 and it sends out a pulse like signal when the connection is
>>>made.  But I cannot send a fax through WINFAX to it.  It keeps giving a
>>>message +FING011. Can someone help?  How can I make it work?
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jeff
>>>---
>>> . OLX 2.1 TD . Jeff Arledge/Richardson, TX/214-690-9388
>>>                                                                                                                     
>>Look realy strange ... The only problem I had with Winfax was the compatibility
>>with Afterdark when Winfax was in the auto-answer mode.
>>
>>Try to call Delrina technical support at (716) 855-3676 or (416) 441-0335
>>or by fax at (416) 441-0774
>>
>>J.B.P.

>The limited compatibility with After Dark is documented in the Read Me
>file,  I think. However, it seems that ANY screen saver (including the
>Windows 3.1 ones) can upset reception if you have "display status
>messages" enabled.


It's worst with the standard Windows screen saver.  The fax refuse to
answer the phone.  I had to remove the password protection.  Now it's O.K.



J.B.P.
From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: XVT GUI Toolkit
Keywords: xvt
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:48:52 GMT
Reply-To: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Organization: Metaphase Technology Inc

We are considering the use of the XVT GUI portability toolkit for our next
application release.  Our current product uses X and Motif directly, but we
see a need to anticipate new platforms (and PCs).

I would appreciate responses (e-mail or followup postings) from those who
have worked with the toolkit.

How does it compare to working with X and Motif directly?

Is it reliable? Efficient? Supported well?

I would particularly like to hear from those who have extended it (new widgets)
or have intermixed native toolkit calls.

I will summarize for later posting.

-- 
Steve Chesney                                    slc@cim.cdc.com     
Metaphase Technology Inc.                        612-482-4662 (voice)
4201 North Lexington Avenue                      612-482-4001 (fax)
Arden Hills, MN  55126
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: ulfis@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Anders Ulfheden)
Subject: Looking for Ethernet drivers Racal NI9210
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:02:23 GMT

Hi,

I'm looking for a Windows 3.1 (for workgroups) driver for my Ethernet card
(Racal NI9210). I have tried to call Racal BBS but didn't find anything useful.
I also plan to use this card with Farallon Timbiktu/PhoneNET product. Anyone
done this already?

Any hints?
Reply by E-mail please...

Anders Ulfheden
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From: hcorbin@uswnvg.com (Harold Corbin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: To buy or not to buy?  FaxModem?
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:00:30 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I have heard but not seen that you can use a faxmodem in a similar manner as
a scanner.  I am going to buy a modem soon, and wondered if a faxmodem is 
worthy of the extra $$$.     

Has anyone actually used a faxmodem in this manner.  Is the quality of the
scanned image useable?  Please, everyone give me your $0.02.  Thanks.

 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 +  Take charge of your attitude, don't let someone else choose it for you  +
 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                    Harold Corbin  E-Mail:hcorbin@uswnvg.com
                           Bellevue, Washington  USA


Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: WINA20.386
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:44:19 GMT

jhochman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joshua M Hochman) writes:

>   Here's a real brain-dead question....  Is the file WINA20.386 included with 
>the windows 3.0 distribution disks?    [and the usual symptom list]

FAQ number something-or-other.  It's part of DOS 5.0; see section 4.3 of 
the MS-DOS README.TXT file.

Joe Morris

(ps: this isn't really an MS-DOS/Windows newsgroup.  You might direct
future questions along this line to one which contains 'ms-windows'
in its name.)
From: ewebber@access.digex.com (Eric Sean Webber)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Win 3.1 and NOVELL 3.11
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:28:00 -0500
Organization: DIVERSIFIED ETC. P.O. BOX 952 Greenbelt, MD 20770 USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


We have installed win 3.1 on Novell 3.11 in the following manner


setup /a to copy all windows files onto the fileserver and uncompress them

setup /n to create the user/machine specific win.ini etc. files and store them
on the fileserver also, but  in user specific directories.


QUESTION:   When a user logs on to a machine that they ordinarily do not 
(non-normal log on machine)  Windows crashes, as the machine expects 
its (its normal log onner's) ini files but gets the visitor log onner's ini 
files.  This crash cause makes sense, but is there some kind of workaround ?

Is there an elegant solution where all files are still on the server ?

And secondly, is there a good FTP site for NOVELL/Windows LAN stuff ?


Thanks, ERIC SEAN WEBBER    ewebber@access.digex.com
From: bri@ukc.ac.uk (B.R.Ingram)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: bricons command panel using text & colour icons
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:34:21 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


			******	B R I C O N S	******
		 a command panel using text and colour icons 

I have just placed a two new versions of the bricons package on 
export.lcs.mit.edu in the contrib directory.  Both versions have been upgraded
to display pixmaps (colour bitmaps) and use the xpm libraries written by
Arnaud Le Hors.

The two versions are:

Athena widget version:
/contrib/bricons-athena-3.0.tar.Z

Motif1.1 widget version:
/contrib/bricons-motif-3.0.tar.Z

The bricons program allows the user to start up applications from a configured 
command panel on a workstation display running X.  The bricons interface can 
consist of up to sixteen buttons which can display some text or an icon. Each 
button is used to execute a shell command using the Bourne shell.  Each button 
can be configured to display a single spring loaded popup menu with up to ten 
more buttons.

Please report any bugs to bri@ukc.ac.uk (until Jan 29th 1993)
--

--  Bruce  Ingram --
From: david@joshua.eushc.org (C. David Cooke)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Zooming and panning images under X
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:43:51 GMT
Organization: Emory University School of Medicine
Distribution: world
Reply-To: david@joshua.eushc.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: 163.246.192.15

Hello!

I am looking for any information/source code on zooming and panning images under
X, using toolkits, xlib, or whatever.  If I can't find any, I will write the code
myself, but I hate to reinvent the wheel!

I prefer email, since I don't read this group often.  Thanks in advance for your
responses!

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From: sti@batman.cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Why are there pixmap depths that have no corresponding window depths?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:17:27 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: batman.cs.hut.fi


This might be a bit lowlevel question concerning X protocol:

I have wondered why my X server supports pixmap formats that have
depths like 3, 4, 8 but still it only has one Depth (8) which has a
visual type (GrayScale).

If my understanding is correct, in my situation I can only create
windows of depth 8.  However I can create pixmaps of depth 3 or 4.
But now I cannot simply copy this pixmap to the window because they
have different depths (so says the X protocol specs).

I would first have to change the pixmap to have the same depth as the
window and only after that do the copying.  This seems to be what
XCopyPlane() does, but at least according to the manual it only "uses
a single bit plane of the specified source".

So what is the use of having exotic pixmap depths like 3 or 4 which
you cannot use (= copy to a window)?
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From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: XVT GUI Toolkit
Keywords: xvt
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Organization: Metaphase Technology Inc

We are considering the use of the XVT GUI portability toolkit for our next
application release.  Our current product uses X and Motif directly, but we
see a need to anticipate new platforms (and PCs).

I would appreciate responses (e-mail or followup postings) from those who
have worked with the toolkit.

How does it compare to working with X and Motif directly?

Is it reliable? Efficient? Supported well?

I would particularly like to hear from those who have extended it (new widgets)
or have intermixed native toolkit calls.

I will summarize for later posting.

-- 
Steve Chesney                                    slc@cim.cdc.com     
Metaphase Technology Inc.                        612-482-4662 (voice)
4201 North Lexington Avenue                      612-482-4001 (fax)
Arden Hills, MN  55126
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: XOpenDisplay
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:03:12 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1993Jan21.144250.5872@newton.bioch.ox.ac.uk>, mikes@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Mike Smith) writes:
> 
> Dear dudes,
> 
> I am a beginner into X programming, and am being frustrated by the following
> three lines:
> 
>   Display *display;
>   char *display_name = NULL;
>   display=XOpenDisplay(display_name);
> 
> (of course I have #include <X11/Xlib.h> and #include <X11/Xutil.h> at the top).
> 
> It seems to work Ok on those rare occasions when I can get on the computer where
> it is being executed

I assume you mean a remote login, or displaying on a different machine to the
one you are running on? If that is the case, then it maybe that you have not
told the application where to display itself. This can be done as follows

either

1) use the -display <display address> option on the command line.

   eg: myprog -display lsld5g:0.0
       runs the program myprog on machine lsld5g, using display 0 and screen 0

or

2) use the DISPLAY (unix) environment variable or DECW$DISPLAY (VMS) logical
   (is it a logical? or something else?).

   eg: setenv DISPLAY lsld5g:0.0
       to run the program:- myprog
       this has the same effect as 1).

   if you are using the machine at the console, but logged in on a seperate
   xterm (for example) you can setenv DISPLAY :0.0 or setenv DISPLAY unix:0.0

> from but otherwise I get a segmentation fault, when according
> to the man pages I should wither get a Display structure from XOpenDisplay, or a
> NULL.  I seem to be getting neither!

Funnily enough, we get a seg fault if the DISPLAY variable isn't set.

Hope it helps.
-- 
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 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
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From: gregc@eagle.fsl.noaa.gov (Greg Compestine)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Pen input for X
Keywords: pen-input
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:14:27 GMT
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA

klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) writes:

>In article <1jhao1INNr2k@nic.BelWue.DE>, wschmidt@commix (Wolfram Schmidt)
>writes:
>|> we need pen input for the X Window System. Are there any solutions,
>|> commercial or PD, shareware, etc. ?

>Try the X Input Extension. It is included in the X11R5 source distribution.

>-- 
>  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
>  Univ. Dortmund, IRB
>  Postfach 500500         |)|/    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
>D-W4600 Dortmund 50       |\|\    Fax : +49 231 755-2386

The latest issue of "The X Resource", Vol. 5, contains an article
titled "Supporting Mobile, Pen-based Computing with X" on pp 203.
From: envbvs@epb11.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Missing externals making xfig
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:47:54 GMT
Organization: lbl
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.123


|> I'm trying to make xfig from the X-11R4 contributed clients.  It went
|> well  to make a couple of minor fixes to compound object pointer
|> declarations.  Then the fun began.  I use the enclosed Imakefile to get
|> something which does this come ld time.  The Makefile does the following
|> to link the program
|> 
 
|> 
|> This gives two undefined entry points:
|> 
|> ld: Undefined symbol
|>    _get_wmShellWidgetClass
|>    _get_applicationShellWidgetClass

First, you should get the latest version from export.lcs.mit.edu in
/contrib/R5fixes/xfig-patches/xfig.2.1.6.tar.Z and the fig to printer
translator, transfig from
/contrib/R5fixes/transfig-patches/transfig.2.1.6.tar.Z.

Then, please check the FAQ:

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Subject:  96)! What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2?

        In SunOS 4.1.2 Sun fixed a shared-library bug in ld which conflicts
with the way X11R4 builds the shared Xmu library, causing these symbols to be
undefined when building some X11 clients:
        _get_wmShellWidgetClass
        _get_applicationShellWidgetClass
Compiling "-Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic" appears to work.

To solve the problem if you are using OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4-based Xt), please
contact your local Sun office and request the following patches:

Patch i.d.      Description
100512-02       4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 libXt Jumbo patch
100573-03       4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 undefined symbols when using
                        shared libXmu
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You CAN safely use it, though.

-- 
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Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: bob@sj.ate.slb.com (Bob Firestine)
Subject: Capturing X Window contents and inserting into Macintosh Documents
Reply-To: bob@sj.ate.slb.com (Bob Firestine)
Organization: TYECIN Systems, Los Altos, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:49:53 GMT

We have an X-Window based product, and do documentation on Macintoshes with 
Page Maker.  Does anyone know of software we could use to convert window
dumps made with xwd into a format Page Maker can read, e.g., PICT?

Thank you.

Bob

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