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From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:37:19 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>>atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell) writes:
>
>> Bashing is more than just physical assault, just as child abuse is 
>> more than simply beating.
>> 	A few years ago, my boyfriend and I had epithets yelled at us 
>> as we walked to a movie theatre.
>
>A few *years* ago?  Heavens, I have that happen to me at least
>once a week.  Most recently on Sunday, as I was walking to the
>grocery store around the corner from my apartment.  A car filled
>with scummy teenagers was stopped at a light, and as I crossed
>the street in front of the car they all started making smoochy-
>kissy sounds, which escalated into whistles and "hey faggot!"
>and "hey cocksucker!" catcalls.  
>
>> That is gay-bashing. 
>
>I don't know that I agree.
>
>> Workers calling someing a "fucking faggot" is bashing.
>
>No, I really don't agree.  Bashing is bashing.  This is taunting.
>

Um, I think I need to interject my 2 cents worth here....
I actually have to agree with Dave about bashing, however, 
there is a vast difference between name calling and physically
beating the living shit outta someone.  They're both still
bashing, but 'bashing' is a broader term than just physical
assault.  Kinda like how 'child abuse' includes physically
hitting a kid, and contiually (sp??) telling him/her/it
how fucking miserable he/she/it is, and how they will never
amount ot anything, etc...  Two different things entierly,
but both can be just as damaging.  It depends on how 'strong'
a person is. (sticks and stones...:)

I don't know where you two live that you get that treatment,
but usually folks who do that sort of taunting are so closeted
and frustrated, that they have to find a release.  Of course
some comments are just made outta ignorance too.  Those can
(and should) be corrected politely.

Hippie Jim


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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:39:59 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

(Thomas B Carlin) writes:
>"this is not
>gravy - gravy is brown, this is a rue".  


Ain't it funny how food changes from place to place (even within
a single state) yet keeps the same name?


Examples: Clam Chowder in the Maryland-area is red (tomato based); whereas
on Long Islane it is pink-ish; and around Boston it suddenly becomes
white (milk/cream based).


In the Deep South:
	Gravy is brown
	Roux is gray
	Milk Gravy is white, but is very hard to find
	
In Florida:
	Milk Gravy is white
	Gravy is brown, but is hard to find
	
In Louisiana:
	Gravy is black
	Roux is brown
	Milk Gravy practically doesn't even exist!

Chili in Houston is reddish-brown, but in El Paso it is green.


Rendell


p.s. And the differences between American-food-names and British-food-
names is even more amazing!
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:10:49 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan7.165949.10585@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>Wait! you forgot about the biscuits and gravy!  I've already given Arne 
>the recipe for gravy:  add flour, salt, and pepper to a pan of hot bacon
>grease; stir until it's a glue-like substance; add whole milk; heat (to
>disolve the congealed grease), and Voila! ...gravy.

You can also substitute sausage grease, or (if you just _really_ have
to have your gravy) melt a stick of butter.

>>And that's just the appetizer.

>OH! that's right, you get gravy and biscuits on the *second* trip.

You're damn right -- those "all you can eat" plates they give you are
more "all we care to have you eat without feeling like a pig".  I think
they buy old coffee saucers, rechristen them, and
   
     VOILA!

Breakfast Platters!

>jeff {mmmm, then dessert at the Krispy Kreme...}

Noooo...dessert at Tastee-Freez, hon...

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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Southern Etiquette (was Bar Etiquette)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan10.112158.968@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan12.160434.11704@infonode.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:53:45 GMT

Jeff Norris (norris@infonode.ingr.com) writes:

   And then there's giblet gravy, which *I* define as (and I'm just *sure* many
   other definitions will follow) all-the-parts-of-the-Thanksgiving-turkey-that-
   you-would-never-eat-if-you-knew-what-it-was, chopped up with a hard boiled 
   egg or two, and cooked in with gravy.  I don't think it's milk gravy (as ScoT
   correctly identifies it), it's usually too runny.  I'm not too fond of it.

Right.  It's made with roasting pan runoff.

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: H20, Greehouse, meteorology (was Re: kommotion...)
Summary: long vs. short term
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:08:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.160909.11435@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
writes:

>[*] Water vapor, BTW is the *****primary***** greenhouse constituent
>in the atmosphere!  Be sure that all the global warming propoganda
>you see includes limitations on the production of that dangerous molecule

Ahem.  There are obviously annual cycles in local humidity in the
temperate zone, and in the lower atmosphere.  On an even shorter scale,
there are also noncyclical fluctuations from weather systems.  But the
importance of water vapor for the global warming issue would have to
depend on whether there are any relevant changes over longer periods.
Anyone out there have any data on this?  My understanding is that during
glacial maxima ocean surface temperatures are (globally) a bit colder
(and possibly the smaller water surface may also have an effect) so that
there is less water vapor then than in interglacials like the present.

If this is correct, then H2O cannot be the *dominating* factor in a
terrestrial greenhouse effect, or the decreasing humidity during a
glacial epoch would be a *positive* feedback (and increasing humidity
in an interglacial would also escalate to Venusian conditions ... :-))

I'd appreciate it if BBC would explain in more detail what he means by
"primary" greenhouse constituent (how is it primary? what are the com-
parative effects of H2O and e.g. CO2? are these effects additive or in
a more complex relation, etc.) and why my (admittedly simplistic) bit
about glacial epochs is not an argument for *stability* of H2O in the
earth's climate cycles?  I know that there is some H2O emission into
the atmosphere via vulcanism; are there other non-cyclic sources?  I
sense a strong political disagreement by BBC against the "viewing with
alarm" of CO2 emissions by *human* agency.  I don't want to get into
the political discussion, but if there are important meteorological
or geological issues here I'd like to hear about them.

>H2O!  CO2 is a wimp incomparison to H2O!  (The recent Physics Today,
>which I happily subscribe to has a letter from a prof who polled other
>profs on this --- nearly all of them gave the "wrong" answer.  The author
>then notes that the general public probably overwhelmingly hasn't got
>the right info, mostly because they haven't been fed it.  I agree.)


-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
From: hoey@husc8.harvard.edu (Steven Hoey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Travelling to London
Summary: Looking for advice, etc.
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:39:50 GMT


THE SETUP: There is a chance that I will be travelling to London, departing
either Thursday (Jan 21) or Friday (Jan 22) from Boston.  I would be staying
until Monday (Jan 25) or Tuesday (Jan 26), and may or may not be travelling
with a (straight and very cool) female companion.

THE QUESTIONS:  * We are on a majorly tight budget.  Can anyone reccomend 
		good 'n' cheap places to stay in the London area?

		* Can anyone give good reccomendations about things to do
		(besides the obvious touristy stuff)?  Please include info
		about the gay scene, clubs, etc.

		* Do you have any other words o' wisdom or advice?

THE REQUEST: Please REPLY VIA E-MAIL to me, hoey@husc.harvard.edu.
	     Unfortunately, I don't have time to read all the newsgroups I'm
	     interested in...I'm sure you know the feeling.  If you think your
	     response would be of general interest, by all means post it, but
	     please also send me email directly.

THE EXPRESSION OF GRATITUDE: Thanks so much for sharing your thouhts, ideas
		and suggestions.  USENET can be a wonderful thing!

Thanks in advance!


-----
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game (AGAIN..) NO SPOILERS.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:25:01 GMT

In article <9BEUrARPBh107h@aptzero.lonestar.org>, doug@aptzero.lonestar.org (Doug Gault) writes:
> Well my SO and I finally wend and saw _The Crying Game_ last night.. Not
> knowing anything about the movie, I was hesitant to see it.. BUT... It
> was VERY GOOD.

Saw it yesterday. I recommend it. But, like Eleanor Bron in "Help", I
can say no more.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:14:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.173553.20574@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <C0MB65.Ln1@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.
>I don't see any smilies, but I hope to Gawd you mean this sarcastically.

I don't know whether or not Roger is kidding, but even if
he is I agree with his statement.  We're commemorating a
specific event, or so I thought.  It seems that the holiday
is losing its meaning and it's not even 25 years old.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:54:56 GMT


To David O'Donnell and his letter my reply is

``GO ON, GIRL!'' :-) :-) :-)


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"
From: TBECKMAN@cup.portal.com (Tom J Beckman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: AIDS Research Immuno-Enhancement Study
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 23:04:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

1/7/93

Announcing: AIDS Research Immuno-Enhancement Study

The Institute of HeartMath and the Healing with Love Foundation are jointly
conducting the AIDS Research Immuno-Enhancement Study to enhance immune system
function and improve the quality of life for those who have tested HIV
positive. Over a six month  period, study participants who are HIV positive
will be trained in HeartMath techniques for emotional and mental
selfmanagement. T-cell levels will be tested throughout the study following
scientific protocol.

IHM researchers can measure, record and correlate the human electrical system
to different mental and emotional states. Research shows that when individuals
self-manage mental and emotional energies, heart and brain electricities
become coherent, hormonal secretions become balanced, and perceptions of life
improve. HeartMath is a system for self-management, currently taught to
educators, business people, military personnel, and others in high stress
jobs. HeartMath techniques  are discussed in "The Hidden Power of the Heart",
by Sara  Paddison, Vice President of IHM, and "Self Empowerment", by Doc Lew
Childre, Founder of IHM. IHM is also developing musical tonal patterns to
harmonically link with the DNA to enhance T- cell strength in people with AIDS
and other immune disorders.

This study is jointly conducted and sponsored by IHM and Healing  with Love
Foundation, founded by Dr. Leonard Laskow, author of  "Healing with Love". Our
scientific advisory board is requesting  ten more northern California
participants for this study, which begins next Sunday, January 17. The
advisory board is funding participation expenses. We cordially request your
heartfelt participation. Please call Dr. Rozman, Wendy Rickert, or Euphrasia
Carroll at (408) 338-8700.

Institute of HeartMath
P.O. Box 1463
Boulder Creek, CA 95006
U.S.A.

 
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:19:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.164802.25293@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> An ounce of good perfume should last years, or you're
> putting too much on and too often.
> 

Not me, babe.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:02:13 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>What's that address? I think I want a copy for myself, directly from
>them. I think we all could benefit from a copy or two; heck, I'm sure
>our friends would all appreciate copies, as well.

The address I posted before was aken from the header of the letter. Here is
a better address:

Focus on the Family                             1-719-531-3400
420 N Cascade Ave, Colorado Springs, CO  80903

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: police/fire-science portrayal of gays
Keywords: barf, heterosexual
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:46:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.115548.3023@fuug.fi> an4851@anon.penet.fi writes:

>with total disgust.  Like when that guy barfs in _The Crying Game_
>because he finds out the person that is turning him on is a man.
>I don't get this reaction.  If I look at heterosexual porno, I just
>feel neutral or limp.  Or I look at the guy involved.  I have no
>interest in straight sex, but it definitely does not *gross* me out.
>What is this all about?

Heterosexuals can't help this barfing reflex.  They're born that way.  But
don't worry - scientists are working on a cure.

-Tom Albright

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:44:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.032605.11389@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.180135.29601@athena.mit.edu> tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:
>>this is not gravy - gravy is brown, this is a rue
>goddamned yankee. You're lucky you didn't get hurt.
>
>Nelson, who was genuinely surprised to find that not everyone ate
I'm ashamed to admit my northerly origins; I have always been jealous
of those privileged to grow up and live in the South. 

>black-eyed peas on New Year's.
>                __
You'll be pleased, Nelson, to note that I have black-eyed peas *every*
New Year's Day, since my bestest friend is not only a Southerner but
also a Clemson graduate and a descendent of both Robert E Lee and
the Empress Carlotta. he practically has spanish moss dripping off
his forearms!


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"To eat, to love, to sing, and to digest; in truth, these are the four
acts in this opera bouffe that we call life, and which vanishes like 
bubbles in a bottle of champagne."     --Gioacchino Rossini



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: john@drummond.demon.co.uk (John Fisher)
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female
Reply-To: john@drummond.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Organization: not
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:34:21 +0000

In article <C0p21z.4MF@panix.com> mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:

> Conjunction of Civilisation with Simlife leads me to ask, in hope,
> if you refer to that impossibly addictive board game wherein one
> marches along the Archaeological Succession Table to accumulate
> goodies and pass epidemics to neighbors in trade ... ????

I meant the computer game - though it sounds rather
similar and is go-to-bed-at-5am addictive, at any
rate to start with...

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:52:01 GMT

swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter) writes:


>I sent out about 20 letters, and I got 2 replies: One from keystone Resorts, and
>the other from the Colorado Tourism Board.  Both letters insited that all 
>people would be treated fairly and that there would be no reason not to
>visit their fine state  (cough). ...need I comment any further.

I know it's a cliche' but I can't resist. If anyone else needs to get addresses 
to write to about Colorado they can ftp to nifty.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.35.7)
and cd /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado and thee are three 'addresses' files.
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:51:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.072744.27430@netcom.com> cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:

>The majority of the people on this planet who have sex with others
>of the same gender don't know about Stonewall

Big deal.

>and most likely
>haven't been majorly affected by it.

That is certifiably false.

>In fact, most of what we'd call
>queers on this planet might not identify themselves as such
>because they concieve of sexuality in different terms.

That's an excellent point, however.  I don't know if I'd agree that
this is true for "most" people like this, but a significant minority,
at least.

>It's important for the US, but let's not get outta hand here.

I don't think anyone is getting out of hand.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Mayor of Santa Monica, CA: Judy Abdo?
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:01:44 PST

In article <+=02t#a@rpi.edu> Ron Buckmire, buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu
writes:
>A Lesbian Mayor and no anti-discrimination law? I doubt it. About the DP
>benefits, I would call Judy Abdo!

Or, even better, send her e-mail.  Santa Monica has a city BBS that
residents can be used to communicate with elected officials. 

And I've done a moderate amount of research, and have found no evidence
of an anti-discrimination law.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (Is: the empowerment of women)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:08:54 GMT

In article <2B489BDA.1798@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
> And it's never "a little powder."  Why are you putting that powder on?
> Is it whimsical, for fun, a little ego boost?  Or is it because you're
> afraid you won't get a job without that powder?  In my mind, those are
> two very different things, and hence it becomes insulting when make up
> is dismissed as above.

I was wondering about this. I had been thinking that it was not that
long ago that a certain amount of makeup (powder, eye-liner, lipstick)
was an assumed part of the "uniform" for women in the workplace. I
think it used to be routine to require female flight attendants to
wear makeup, for instance. But even in less "public" professions, a
woman who showed up at an office without makeup might well have been
taken aside and given some hints about "professional appearance" (!).
That is, if she wasn't simply fired on some pretext. [*]

Does this still happen? If so, perhaps some of the men who have
responded are being a little quick to dismiss the political
implications of makeup in 20th-century society, whatever its ancient
history.


[*] ...and, of course, in these same places, a man who wore makeup --
at least, enough to be noticeable -- would be in *big* trouble.
From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pride Rings and public reaction
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:17:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) says:

>So do this: If you ever spot someone wearing the rings, make it a point to
>thank them for showing their gay pride. I'll bet that more and more frequently
>the response you'll get will be shock and embarrassment.

I have started wearing my pride rings everywhere, almost, and they
are a rare sight in the Atlanta greater metro area. I am always
asked about them, though, whenever I go to a restaurant or smallish
shop. Strangely, I have never had a bad reaciton. I would have thought
that, in Atlanta, in Georgia, I would have met some bashers by now. Not
that I'm complaining, mind you. :) 

Actually, I =am= complaining, come to think of it. I'm an activist all
wound up with no place to go.

 __
 \/ Ric