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From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: What happened to the Kenya elections
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:19:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
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In article <1992Dec11.211356.14092@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>I was busy with several things for the past few weeks and didn't take
>the time to read this newsgroup.  I also noticed that Dec 3rd went by
>and I haven't heard anything about the elections.
>
>Were they postponed or did they take place.  US newspapers are so full
>of information on Africa.  NOT!  Marines in Somalia is about all.
>
Somewhere in this group you'll find an article I posted yesterday, Dec
10, titled Kenya elections and confusion or some such thing...the elections
are not due to take place for another 20 days or so...they have been
submitting nomination papers this week and there was some violence in
some places...the electoral committee doesn't seem to have any power
to do anything about this...some candidates were beaten up, others had
their nomination papers torn and yet others were kidnapped...violators
were mostly KANU violating opposition candidates - does that make any
sense? That's the report I heard on the BBC Africa service...they actually
talked to the electoral commission chairperson who said the opposition
can file suit in court if they wish but if they did, a ruling is unlikely 
to come before the elections take place - one of the opposition leaders
had called for a halt to the process until their complaints were heard...

Does that help?



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From: mbarroso@watson.Princeton.EDU (Margarida Barroso)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 14:03:28 -0500
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X-References: <1992Dec11.125807.14742@eng.cam.ac.uk> <565@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <1992Dec13.135244.1213@Princeton.EDU> <Bz7D7t.Bwq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

I am sorry for the fuss! I messed up when I sent the first message!
I was just trying to make a point, since a lot of people don't know
that there is a difference between spanish and portuguese!
I am glad that you know!!
I don't want to enter the discussion, since I am not an african, and
I think that choosing your own language should be up to each people! There
has been to many interventions already, as you know!
However, you said that: 
"We should exercise our priviledge to choose since all these are 
equally foreign to us. As Africans we should begin to think more
 in terms of profit than of maintaining unecessary political alliances"

Could you explain to me what you mean by profit, I think you are talking 
about economy, right?? Could you elaborate about your vision for Africa in
terms of economy policies, do you think that african countries should follow
the american footsteps and create a free-market economy, without too much
considerations about social problems?
thanks, 
guida
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Somalia-The Power of the Pen
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:42:00 GMT
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Take a look at RESULTS Global Action posted here 12/6/92 for
some good background for writing to news editors, alongs with some
pretty good text on the issues which could, of course be
included with your letters.  I have been posting RESULTS
letter-writing campaing material about monthly both
in soc.cult.afric (when applicable) and in hunger.general.

RESULTS is a grass-roots lobby for the end of hunger with chapters
in several countries.  Their person-to-person approach and
particularly the strategy of writing to news editors asking them to
include stories or to write editorials on selected topics has been
very effective in getting news and editorial coverage.

Shortly after this latest round of RESULTS letter-writing about
Somalia began, the Los Angeles Times has run at least three
major editorials on our actions to alleviate the famine and
the quality of their news coverage seems also to have picked up.

I believe people's letters can have an affect.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:SOMALIA: Germany and France issue statement backing use of force
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:41:36 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: SOMALIA: Germany and France issue statement backing use of force


bonn, dec 4 (ips) -- germany and france issued a joint statement
friday in support of the u.n. security council decision to
sanction the use of force in somalia where thousands are dying of
starvation amid an ongoing civil war.

in the statement, chancellor helmut kohl and president
francois mitterrand expressed the hope that the ''forthcoming
peace-keeping measure will soon create security and stability
which are required to enforce peace in somalia''.

the statement was issued at the close of a two-day regular
franco-german summit in bonn, at which the two countries discussed
issues related to the forthcoming european community (ec) summit
in edinburgh.

the communique was issued the day after the 15-member u.n.
security council in new york unanimously adopted a resolution
authorising ''the secretary-general and member-states...to use all
necessary means to establish, as soon as possible, a secure
environment for humanitarian relief operations in somalia''.

this, in effect, means that the united nations has accepted the
u.s. offer to send troops to somalia on its behalf. they will form
part of an international military force to be joined, among
others, by a contingent from france.

however, germany will refrain from sending troops, as the
country's constitution does not permit military involvement in an
area outside of the north atlantic treaty organisation (nato),
foreign minister klaus kinkel said here friday.

kinkel stressed that germany had allocated 92 million marks
(61.3 million dollars) in 1992 alone for humanitarian aid to the
somalia, in addition to the two transall aircraft it had provided
for transporting relief supplies from kenya to somalia.

ingomar hauchler, development policy spokesman for the main
german opposition social democratic party (spd), welcomed the
initiative, but warned that the ''danger (of u.s. domination)
persists'', but that ''other states remain passive in the face of
hunger, civil war, violation of human rights, and extermination of
minorities''.

''if europeans do not bother about somalia more than they have
done until now, we cannot criticise the u.s. if it offers aid to
the u.n. -- particularly when it is doing so without having such
massive national interests as it had during the gulf war,''
hauchler told ips friday. (end/ips/raj/yjc/92)
From: jama@inetnode.austin.ibm.com (Jama Barreh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: SOMALI CAUSE
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:56:15 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin


 The Somali tragedy has become a cause for a lot of people. Most of them are
sincere people who are truly concerned about their human fellows but for some
of them this has become a cause celebre.Even some con-men (con-women) got on
this and started soliciting on behalf of "starving Somali children" .
   There are groups who oppose US presence in Somalia without giving reasons or
alternative solutions. Some Africans say that Africa's problems must be  solved
by africans. I ask , where were you when half of the Somalian population was on
the brink of starvation??  There are those who are categorically opposed to any
western force on African soil. I , too , would have liked to see all African
force resolve the situation in Somalia , but the OAU was no where to be seen.
There are also those who claim that this western christian force will convert
the children of this 100% muslim nation into christians. Again I ask where
were you when they were starving to death??
   If you have nothing to contribute to Somalia , SHUT your mouth and find
another CAUSE.

                                               jama
From: cochrane@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: American TV Bias [WAS: Faut-il desa
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:21:00 GMT
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From: "Jeffrey A. Cochrane" <COCHRANE@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Reply-To: cochrane@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Subject: American TV Bias [WAS: Faut-il desarmer les Bandits Somaliens?]

ORIGINALLY POSTED TO SOC.CULTURE.AFRICAN:
From: olinga@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Guy Francois Olinga):
> Je ne sais pas si vous avez vu les images que la television francaise
> nous a retransmises hier soir et ce matin: La lapidation d' une jeune
> femme somalienne soupsonnee d' avoir eu des relations sexuelles avec
> un soldat francais.

American TV cameras portrayed a naked woman being beaten and led off by
an angry mob in Mogadishu while presumably French soldiers looked on
and did nothing.  But the story was quite different in France.
According to Olinga and others watching French television, the woman
was released from a French military vehicle into the hands of the mob.
The mob accused her of being a prostitute for the French military.

The differences between the two accounts are extraordinary!  It also
seemed to me that the American press handled quite "delicately" the
apparent lie told by the French military concerning whether or not a
vehicle running one of their check points was armed when they opened
fire on it.

This morning was the first time I can remember seeing a US TV news
person suggest that all is not going well--he stated that several
photographers in Mogadishu had their cameras stolen at gun point,
whereas IPS and Time mag have had much more negative stories in this
regard.

Is the American Press doing its "patriotic" duty and feeding the public
only what it thinks they want to hear?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.155129.1@vax1.umkc.edu> aali@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>Unfortunately, there are some indications, already, that the U.S. 
>have not interest in disarming the warlords. An example of this was
>shown by the fact that the marines found a huge pale of weapons belonging
>to warlord Aidid and no effort were made to seize the arms.  If fact, there 
>
i think that, under the circumstances it was a wise move.  at the time
the u.s. had only about 1800 troops on the ground in somalia; given that,
it was not a good time to risk the safety of those troops and start a
conflict unnecessarily.  when there are the full complement of troops
in the country, i think the total will be about 40,000, we will be in
a better position to comprehensively confiscate weapons without appearing
to be taking sides in the matter by disarming one side and not the other.
i think had we had a wider occupation of the country, instead of merely
a beachead in mogadishu, the arms might have been confiscated.  when we
are securely encamped on the ground i don't think that the warlords are
going to be able to do much about it if we start to clean them out.  i
can almost guarantee you that neither warlord wants to strike out against
the u.s. first since after the way our guys toasted those armored vehicles
th other day they realize that if one of them takes on the u.s. they will
be so wiped out that they will not be able to fight the other warlord,
who would have continued to lie low.

>seem to be an agreement between the U.S envoy and the worlords that the 
>marines may disarms others but not the two opposing U.S.C factions in
>Mogadishu.  Further,  the reported talks between Aidid and Mahdi hosted
>
i think that the two opposing factions are hoping that they don't get
disarmed and are certainly going to stumble over each other to try and
curry favor with the u.s.  witness the show that aidid and mahdi put on
during the hastily put together "peace" conference; i haven't seen two
black guys smile so much in front of a camera since "amos 'n andy".

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.090115.9210@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:
>In article <697@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Paul M Mweene, pmmst8+@pitt.edu writes:
>>Except ofcourse that Blacks ARE not citizens of South Africa according to
>>boer law.
>
>Just as well the boers aren't being allowed to run the country any
>more.

I take it blaks have started running their own affairs then.....
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From: blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Enough already!
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:14:08 -0500

In article <436@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.073439.29016@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>>
>>What he leaves out is that I followed this up with a post saying that
>>I had misremembered: the people in question were in New Guinea.  And I
>>posted all the information needed for people to find the book themselves.
> 
> Wait, this was after I challenged you to provide your sources. Before
> that you claimed that Africans used animals for sex.
>>
>>Compare this to Mweene, who has been caught in several outright errors
>>in his postings (e.g., homosexual activity does not take place among
>>Africans, there are no islands in Africa, and others), and has, when
>>confronted, tried to evade and change the subject.
>>--Tim Smith
> 
> It goes without question that there are no gays in Africa. Your book
> was listed as missing in our library, therefore I could not see what
> you were talking about.


> 
> As for the nonsense about Islands in Africa, you claimed that Robben
> island is in Africa. Yet another moron is pointing to small swamps that
> exist in African rivers and lakes as islabds. This is an example of more
> igonrance. I remember suc islands on the kafue river in Zambia. In the

COME ON PAUL, WHAT ABOUT THE ISLANDS IN LAKE KIVU AND LAKE VICTORIA??


 mornings when our school train crossed the river, we would see the isl
> anders shouting greetings to the mainlanders, and asking if this or
> that had come to the market from their "islands". I do not change sub
> jects, this is Tim Snith's trait. So far he has not produced evidence
> of a single african who practises the things he claims.
> 
> 
> makala
> 
>
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: What a white person learned in college
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:46:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Jason,

The people that were doing the discriminating before AA was started are not the
same ones doing the discriminating now, correct me if I'm wrong that's what you
said. You also maintain that the reasons for this discrimination has changed
since AA started. Now look at this for just a moment. If the reason for 
discrimination changed when the situation changed how would stopping
affirmative action help to ease the strains of discrimination. The example 
that's been set is when the situation changes white folx find some other reason
to discriminate against us. Listen to yourself talk and get a clue about what's
going on, why dontcha!


STORM
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        ARE OUT 

             THE WATER 

                    IS RUNNING

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: LA disturbance re anti-Denny demonstration
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:17:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1gogm8INNor0@morrow.stanford.edu> by HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels):

> Check!
> .
> Am I the only one who noticed that Willie Williams pulled an
> overkill on the corner of Florence and Normandie couple of nights
> ago in LA?
> .
> People are apparently still hot under the collar over there.  The
> demonstration for the four guys who beat Denny turned ugly when the
> cops arrived and started to clamp down.  People said it was totally
> unnecessary. Is this correct?

I haven't even a clue.  The NPR report was so short on hard evidence that there
was no way to really tell what happened.  I think the safe money lies on not
automatically believing the police OR the supporters of Denny's attackers.  I
certainly don't have ANY confidence in the word of either, and won't let one or
the other pull my chain without even a SHRED of evidence to support them.

As in New York, it certainly appears that this sort of situation has a lot in 
common with the gunfight at the OK Corral.  ALL parties involved are at best of
shady character, and you can't tell the good guys from the bad guys without a
program... and sometimes not even WITH a program.

Do you know if CNN or anybody filmed the incident?  That'd certainly give you a
better idea of what was going on.  I've been busy running a pistol league 
lately, and haven't watched much TV news.  NPR is more professional, but you 
only have people TELLING you what they THINK.  The objective component just
isn't there.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Looks like the cops are at it again
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:58:37 GMT


I just read in the newspaper that 5 (yes, five) White officers pulled another
Black motorist out of his car and beat the crap out of him again, this time
in Nashville.

This would have faded into the background of police brutality of White officers
on Blacks that only comes to light only once in a while, but for one small
factor- the motorist beaten was a Nashville undercover cop.

I guess everyone in the NPD will come out and say that it wasn't racially
motivated. They acted so quickly, obviously aided by the courage afforded by
having two dick substitutes strapped to their sides that even the Nashville
police chief wondered if he even had time to state he was an officer.

I'm personally waiting to hear all the rationalizations coming from the White
folks like they did for Rodney King.

	-Kenny
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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Face it...  We depend on white people...
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:35:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <BzJouI.ME9@unix.amherst.edu>,
ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
>
>Havong said that, I am troubled by some historical inacurracies of a previous
>poster who claimed that both Cleopatra and the Moors were black.
.
.
Oh, barrother.  Here we go again, people...

>Cleopatra wasn't even that much Egyptian let alone black.  Ptolmy, the founder
>of the dynasty to which Cleopatra belonged, was a Greek general who served
>under Alexander the Great.
.
.
And he misspelled Ptolemy.  Listen, those folks did a lot of
racemixing, whether they married sisters and brothers politically or
in reality.  A great-grandfather of Cleopatra's, I have read, was
black.

>The Moors, who conquered Spain, were a mix of Bebers and Arabs.  They were
>not of a singular race and varied in color much the same way that ancient
>Egypt did.
.
.
Perhaps.  But they certainly utilized some Hamitic brothers and
sisters from the south as viziers, generals, concubines and what
not...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:37:11 MST
Distribution: usa,local
Nntp-Posting-User: ohall

In article <1992Dec16.050334.3064@panix.com>, lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
> In <1992Dec14.113247.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> 
>>> 
>>  I didn't say "More Brutal".  However give me some examples of slavery which
>>  has been as brutal as U.S. slavery and has continued for the number of years
>>  that slavery did in this nation.  
>>  America has still held on to its notion of blacks being inferior.
> 
> Brazil.  Blacks make up a much larger percentage of the population
> there than here, yet whites still dominate the power structures.
> 
  It was stated in this conference that blacks were imported from Africa
  throught the continent of America.
  Keeping this in mind.  Why does the U.S. have these big bad Africans who are
  unappreciative and always starting riots and civil unrest?  Maybe the U.S.
  got the best of the bunch(i.e. intelligence, physical strength, etc.).  
  So what more could this nation expect from an intelligent strong African race?
  
  Too black and too strong!!!
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