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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: English English
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210302.12005@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>In article <14NOV199219044576@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>I have just received a letter from the omnipotent BT which begins:
>>thank you for your complaint about .... which has been onpassed to me.
>>Can anyone spot the non-English word in the sentence above?  Is this
>>another one, like de-plane, that we have to thank the Americans for?
>>
>
>No way.  Sounds like a British neologism to me.  BT must be starting
>this up as a sideline - last spring I tried to call a friend of mine
>in London, since I wanted him to pick me up at the airport later that week.
>I kept getting a recording which stated "The line is parked.", over & over.
>I thought that was fairly strange message, so I called the ATT
>operator to ask what it meant.  She didn't know, so she call the BT operator
>to find out.  Yes, it IS another synonym for "busy" or "engaged".
>Well why couldn't they SAY so?
>
	The U.S. does not have a monopoly on mangling of the
	English language.  I would rank it well behind Taiwanese
	and Japanese writers of instruction books for domestic
	appliances.  Her Majesty's Civil Service is not incapable
	of generating nonsense; I recommend "The Complete Plain
	Words" by Sir Ernest Gowers.  It is full of examples of
	things that the Whitehall Wonders have done to the English
	language.  "Onpassed" is a pallid memory of former glories.

	Alec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger)
Subject: Re: British foods
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:35:43 GMT

Also try (shudder) Australian food importers.  There is some cross-over,
and it tends to be cheaper.
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Clive's bike
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:13:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

>>About a year ago there was an article on TV about an electric bike that
>>Sir Clive Sinclair had developed (resembling a Mini-Moulton bicycle) and 
>>was selling them for about 500 quid. Has anybody seen them for sale?? 
>>
>Probably crashed along with all his other hair-brained schemes. What
>a wally, that guy is...
>
>David
>

When I was in Isla Vista, California, last year, there was a new-looking
Sinclair C5 "electric tricycle" for sale at a local bike store.  They wanted
something insane like $2,000 for it!!??  It didn't sell for several months. 

Bill
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16279 soc.culture.canada:8754
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:58:04 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
 <92324.1047372893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Nov19.172355.23576@bmers145.bnr.ca> <19NOV199216570986@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
 <92325.085218BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>

In article <92325.085218BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, Bernard BELL
<BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> says:
>
>>>Chris Passier writes re- Laurence Godfrey:
>>> But, surely, a man of his ilk need not be satisfied by whatever pittance
>>> the NRC might deign to throw his way? Could he not live like a king on
>>> the, undoubtedly huge, sums of money he must be getting from U.S. sources
>>> for his priceless insights into the world of science?
>
>> Godfrey replies
>>I don't work for the SSC.  Also your English is confused - have you thought
>>of attending a remedial class for grammer and writing skills?
>
>
>Excuuuuse me, but who is it that needs to attend the remedial classes?
>1. It's grammAr not grammer.
>2. Passier's sentences parse just fine.
>3. Many of Godfrey's postings are written in Yadallean.

Evidently, Godfrey has never heard of the subjunctive form. Perhaps that means
it doesn't exist:)

>
>Perhaps this has all gotten out of hand: on browsing through
>soc.culture.british this morning the first 18 articles were ALL
>about Godfrey.
>
>Bernard Bell
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Re: The amazing disappearing British Constitution
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 03:05:04 GMT


lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:

>In article <1duhfcINN3k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>> 
>>> If we're talking US (hard to tell from context) I highly doubt this.  The US 
>>> COnstitution has a prohibition gainst Bills of Attainder, of which this is 
>>> probably an example.
>>
>>I believe you could not be more mistaken.   I have head
>>that it's really not uncommon for the US Congress to pass
>>laws that benefit individual persons.   Immigrantion cases
>>are the classic example.

>But the point is not that there are private bills to benefit individuals, 
>but rather that unrelated items are packaged together to coerce passage
>because the larger matters are important enough to be passed, and the lesser
>ones want to be eliminated by a line-item veto.

Confusion arises?

The original question was about hybrid bills, where something unrelated is
added to the original bills in hopes that it passes along the bill.
These are common things in US, also known as riders. Senator Helms is
one champion of riders trying to enforce his moral standards to the rest 
of the nation by adding riders to Senate appropriations bills.
I think the current US Immigration ban on HIV+ inviduals and people with
AIDS came to existence as a rider to a budget bill. (This prohibits THE ENTRY
of HIV+ inviduals and PWA's i.e. even short term visitation of the USA.)

If I gathered correctly bills of attainer are bills which are custom
tailored to benefit one invidual (or a specific group of inviduals).

Anyway, both types of bills are COMMON in US.

>An interesting observation:

>Does anyone have a "feel" for just how many people in the US heard Reagan
>and later Bush ask for line-item veto, but really had no idea what this
>means in non-Washington-jargonese?  (I am alluding to the notion that for
>certain people, all gripes come to bear on the president as an icon, and
>perhaps not to blame Congress, where the laws originate.)

I think line item veto is bad. In Wisconsin, the governor has used his line
item veto to write new laws which were never passed or discussed by 
the legislature. He has used the line item veto to strike out inviduals letters
of words to create a bill which is hardly recognizable as the original.

Though in my opinion, it's a misnomer to call the Governor's veto power
in this case line-item veto. 

jari
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Jelly Baby Art
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:02:44 GMT

In <1992Nov20.214647.18443@leland.Stanford.EDU> brooksd@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dawn Jennifer Brooks) writes:

>JELLY BABY ART JELLY BABY ART JELLY BABY ART!

>Brilliant!!!!!

>You could re-post as "gummy bear art" in soc.culture.Geraman.

>Which are better, Jelly Babies or gummy bears.  And which came first?

Jelly babies must be better.  We won the war, didn't we?

I can remember getting jelly Babies from the off license when I was a kid,
but I don't remember seeing gummy bears until I became an adult.  It could 
just be one of those international trade barrier things, though.  

ooo, protectionism. nasty.

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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:08:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxvBIH.Fw7.1
	<15NOV199218121848@sscvx1.ssc.gov> <1e6tg8INNrmn@morrow.stanford.edu>
	<1992Nov17.024329.2836@philmtl.philips.ca>
	<17NOV199201181181@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

Right, that's it. Dear Laurence has stated: "it amuses me to generate
the hate mail that my postings receive." He only posts these volumes
of inflammatory crap to get a rise out of people. It's time for me to
(finally) work out how kill files operate.

Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: * Looking for computer dealers...
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:48:37 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <17NOV199218320326@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>  I have a company, Deltronics, which deals in hardware and some software.
>How can I help you, or how can you help us?
>
>Laurence

By going away?

 Trev
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From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: uk.net,soc.culture.british,news.groups
Subject: Re: Summary - should UK groups be sent to UUnet (yes).
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:07:40 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <qs8muB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
|> ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps) writes:
|>   [technical stuff deleted [and opinions...]]
|> 
|>   Ian, you are correct about my stand, but on a MAJOR point of netiqueete here.
|> You can HARDLY call this a proper vote, and your sample size is to say the
|> least small!

This is (indeed) not a _proper_ (news.groups, etc.) and was never
intended so to be.  It was simply a question about whether someone
running a UK hub should change his distribution tables.

|> [...]
|> 
|>   In summary Ian, all I am saying is that a properly called vote should be
|> taking palce BEFORE names gettossed on the net.  Also, as proposed before, I
|> am willing to design a ballot for the such.

_Do_ stop wittering.  We're not proposing creation of a newsgroup,
splitting one, or anything of the sort.
--
Robin (come back John Drummond) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
"They had twelve years to lay in wait for us" - Bush supporter on Nov 4
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:49:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1eov0vINNecq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>               Clinton's British connection
>
>  Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
>He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
>a London suburb.
>  Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it
>popular in Britain?

In Britain it would be thought decidedly odd to name someone after a
place. It is generally felt to be a lower-class thing to name
someone with anything except a long-established first name, any
child with such a name would be assumed to be from a deprived
background (see "Wayne", "Darren" etc).

Matthew Huntbach
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:23:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1e6uebINNruu@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
>>In article <0S4SB5SX@cc.swarthmore.edu> ment@cs.swarthmore.edu (Andrew Ment) writes:
>>>Crime in New York is bad, but really it isn't as bad as most people paint it,
>>>especially tourists

>>My father had to visit someone in New York once and walked half a mile
>>from the subway to their office. When he got there he was told that he
>>had done a very silly thing and was very lucky not to have been mugged.

>	You and your father should not believe everything you are told.
>Many of the yuppie/white businessmen who work downtown all day and 
>clear out by 6 have paranoid views of what the city is really like based
>on their insular lives in the 'burbs. 

When my wife went to stay with some friends who lived in central NY
they wouldn't let her go out on her own until they had spent some
hours explaining to her how to avoid trouble on the streets. She took
this advice very seriously, since these people, like everyone else
whose NY house she visited, had clearly spent a great deal of money
erecting what to her British eyes was a frightening degree of
fortification against forcible entry. These people were 30-40 year old
long term NY residents, who had always felt that on balance the
advantages of NY won, but who, like some of their friends, were now
beginning to wonder at what level of violence and robbery they should
call it quits and move out.

>	There are people from Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Djakarta, 
>Medellin, Bogota, Lima, Calcutta, Cairo, Moscow, and Washington, DC
>who live in cities of near equal to greater danger. You _are_ 
>comparatively 'extra' safe in Britain. Life is _not_ as raw in
>northern Europe (I'd forgotten to mention Palermo in the list above) 
>as it is in the urban centers of _most_ of the rest of the world.

Quite so. What is so apalling about the US to Northern European eyes
is that this very rich and sophisticated nation tolerates a level of
violence and lawlessness in the streets of its cities which otherwise
can only be found in the corrupt metropoles of the Third World.
-- 
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Quuen's English and Yadallean
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 05:56:05 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

RIGHTO CHAPS!!

Has Buckingham Palace or the Oxford Dictionary recognizes the word Yadallean
yet.  If NOT, it hasn't been recognized by me.

(HIDDEN SMILEY SOMEWHERE)

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger)
Subject: Re: English English
Keywords: onpassed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:50:49 GMT


I thought onpassed was Hong Kongese.  I
can attest to the term's rabid popularity there.
From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:07:31 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham


 On 22 Nov 92, Ajai Banarji wrote

> Clinton's British connection

> Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
> He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
> a London suburb.
> Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it 
> popular in Britain?
> How would you like to be named Brixton or Soho :-)

 In my undergrad years I had an American athelete stay in my hall room
whilst I did the Grand Tour (charity hitch to Brussels :-() who amused
me (small minded people are easily amused) by being called Randy Cox.

 I subsequently researched the rest of the visiting team to discover
there was a female athelete by the name of Cricket Batz.

 I would guess her parents never thought she might meet any Brits/W
Indians/Pakistanis/Aussie etc...

--
Cheers,

	Ian

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pugh@pico.math.ucla.edu (David Pugh)
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:45:09 GMT

In article <1eov0vINNecq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>		Clinton's British connection
>
>  Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
>He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
>a London suburb.
>  Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it 
>popular in Britain?

Not very popular but not unheard of in England.
The point is that Chelsea is a fashionable part of London unlike Brixton
and Soho hence it has a good connotation to it.
Why is Chelsea a girls name and not a guys? Where does the gender come
from?

>  How would you like to be named Brixton or Soho :-)
>
No thanks.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:18:00 GMT

In article <1eov0vINNecq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)       writes...
>		Clinton's British connection
> 
>  Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
>He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
>a London suburb.
>  Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it 
>popular in Britain?
>  How would you like to be named Brixton or Soho :-)
> 
> 
> 
Only the most pretentious Englishman would name his child Chelsea - it is
not a popular name.  Soho and Brixton are rather good names, however, and
I make use your suggestion when my child is born.

Laurence
From: cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:48:36 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <1992Nov20.142835.25128@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
|> This Scots-English discussion reminds of some stuff I read long ago about
|> language development.  When a dominant culture comes in with its own
|> language, the dominated culture reacts in a characteristic way.  People
|> at the interface develop a 'pidgin', a greatly simplified form of the 
|> dominant language containing characteristic forms: repetition for
|> emphasis, double negatives etc.  I seem to remember something about
|> a characteristic word order, too.  The common features of pidgins across
|> the world have been cited as evidence for an innate sense of language.
|> 
|> After a time, the pidgin develops into a 'creole', again with characteristic
|> features (which I have inconveniently forgotten), which restructures the
|> dominant language but uses elements of the other language as well.
|> 
|> 'Creole French', spoken in Lousiana, is the language which gives its name
|> to this phenomenon.  In the US, 'Black English' is now recognized as a
|> restructured version of English along West African lines.
|> 
|> Now of course, the analysts of linguistic development quoted here
|> have been English/Scots/Irish etc.  Such people are unlikely to look at the
|> Gaelic-English interface in terms of the pidgin-creole progression, being
|> too close to the subject.  Suppose we go to the known creoles of the world,
|> and see if the various features of what we now call 'Scots' conform to that
|> model?
|> 

English by this definition is a creole, formed from the interaction
between the speech of the dominated Saxons and the dominant Normans.
Over this millenium it has also acquired vocabulary from many other
languages. Scots, too, is as much a creole as English is, but is
different in that it has had a greater influence from Gaelic, the
Scandinavian languages, and Dutch/Flemish than has English, and has
retained a greater proportion of Anglo-Saxon words than has standard
English.

To suggest, though, that Scots is a creole formed from English and the
other languages of Scotland (Gaelic/Pictish/Brythonic) simply reveals
a lack of understanding of the history of both Scots and English
on the part of Dave Jones.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16225 soc.culture.canada:8710
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:46:04 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

[...]
>3. Many of Godfrey's postings are written in Yadallean.
>
>Perhaps this has all gotten out of hand: on browsing through
>soc.culture.british this morning the first 18 articles were ALL
>about Godfrey.
>
>Bernard Bell

Perhaps Dave Yabadoo and Laurence "Private" Godfrey  are the alter-egos
of one and the same person??? (the Canadian connection, and all that)  ;=)

Bill
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16204 soc.culture.canada:8698
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:21:52 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
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godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: [hot air deleter]
:
: Also your English is confused - have you thought
: of attending a remedial class for grammer and writing skills?

Need we say more?

-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ELURONA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (R. Elul)
Subject: Re: Flights from London to Paris?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:32:32 EST

Is anyone aware of inexpensive flights from London to Paris which do not
require more than a few days advance reservation? If so, please let me know.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers