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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Howard Johnson's Got His Ho-Jo Workin')
Subject: Making Memories
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:02:03 GMT


Y'know, i just remembered i've always been unclear what Ged sings
after "Our memories remind us <and here I'm unsure> made me <something>
<end uncertainty> ...last night so bad"  ORQ "Whoooo, yeah, yeah, yeah-
yeaaahhh" ;)

Sorry, I can only ftp on a good day, namely when I can remember how.
To day is not such a good day for that, seeing as how i can't remember.
<Big sign on door of the Temple of Syrinx.umd.edu: "Go away, frank">

cheers,
frank
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Trees
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:23:54 GMT

	Thinking about it these past few days, I can't really pin down an
interpretation for The Trees.  I've just ALWAYS associated it with childhood,
where if any of us kids got too loud, we'd ALL suffer. 
	Earl
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Trees
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:15:14 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 >    Am I the only one who has never even thought of this particular
 > interpretatio
 > 
 > nof 'The Trees'?  To me it has always been a more individualistic
 > song.  I  interpret it to be about absurdity of complete equality
 > (of outcome).  I take th
 > 
 > e 
 > oaks to represent those, who exist in any human society, that
 > accomplish more  than their fellows.  This may be through native
 > ability, persverance, effort or 
 > 
 > even just plain luck.  The ending has always been very chilling to
 > me.  I see a 
 > 
 > faceless mob turning to the coercive force of government to
 > enforce a kind to  conformi?]y/mediocrity:  'Since we can't rise to
 > your level, we'll pass a  "Noble Law", and cut you down to ours.'
 > Hence the hatchet, ax and saw.  

My own interpretation has been a more generalized one.  The song is
about problems between people.  There are all kinds of people in the
world.  Oaks are not inherently "better" or "higher achieving" trees
than maples.  They're both trees, and they're each fine in their own
merits.  But in this case, the oaks are overshadowing the maples.  The
maples want more sunlight.  The oaks don't understand what they're
griping about.  The maples get all irate, and in the end the only way
everyone can be happy if by cutting ALL the trees down.  The message is
that if we can never communicate with one another -- if we never listen,
if we can never understand the other's point of view, if we can never
reach a compromise (and this fault applies to BOTH the maples and the
oaks) then a solution will still be reached -- but almost assuredly one
that NOBODY benefits from.  I've never seen the oaks as being aggressors
in this situation.  They're not trying to grow large so that they can
cut off the sunlight from the maples; they just grow that way.  "They
can't help it if they like the way they're made."  Nobody is at fault,
but there's definately a problem, and it doesn't get resolved until the
whole forest is destroyed, because nobody is communicating.
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From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
Subject: Re: Album bouts
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:36:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.230900.10084@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>In an attempt to add more excitement to the net, I have a new idea.  How
about
>Album bouts?  It entails taking one album and placing it in the ring wit

>another in order to see how the two compare.
>
>RUSH ALBUM BOUT #1
>        Hold Your Fire v. Fly by Night
>
>How about it?  Which one do you think is better and why?
>
>If people like the idea, I'll present my opinion- and bout #2- in a few 
ays.
>
>Yours etc.,
>
>The Analog Kid


Easy!
 
Hold Your Fire
 
Why?  One reason: "Open Secrets"
 
Easily one of the best Rush songs ever!
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: 2112 ending
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:58:34 GMT
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 > If you read the lyrics it says-
 > 
 > V. Oracle: The Dream
 > ... "I guess it was a dream, but even now it all seems so vivid to
 > me.  Clearly yet I see the beckoning hand of the oracle as he
 > stood at the summit of the staircase" ...
 > ... "I see still the incredible beauty of the sculptured cities
 > and the pure spirit of man revealed in the lives and works of this
 > world.  I was overwhelmed by both wonder and understanding as I
 > saw a completely different way to life, a way that had been
 > crushed by the Federation long ago.  I saw now how meaningless
 > life had become with the loss of all these things ..."
 > 
 > Notce the how the 'elder race' were crushed by the federation long
 > ago. So how can this 'elder race' come back and rescue these
 > people? He sees how life was and how it can never be again.

Huh?!  I've never heard these "lyrics" you're talking about.  In the
version *I* have, it's said:

They left our planets long ago
The Elder Race still learn and grow
Their power grows with purpose strong
To claim the home where they belong
Home to tear the temples down
Home to change

...or something like that, it's off the top of my head again.  Nothing
about how it was just a dream.  The only depressing thing I see is that
the protagonist seems to believe that most of his dream was true -- the
marvelous cities, whatever -- but the part about the Elder Race coming
back he doesn't seem to want to believe, so he offs himself.
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From: misselt@trapper.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Karl &)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Satanism?  Oh no, not that again.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:19:20 GMT
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Matt Wilkinson (Matt.Wilkinson%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us) wrote:
: I was going to just "r"eply to the message about Album Bouts which somehow
: got turned into "Rush is full of satanic influences", but then I thought

: Nevertheless, my point is that you really should read what Neil has to say
: on the subject himself.  The article is available for ftp at syrnix.umd.edu.

: --Matt
: INET:  pslvax!mattw@ucsd.edu
: UUCP:  ...ucsd!pslvax!larson!matt

  I haven't been reading this group too long, but I've noticed that a lot 
of The Analod... oops, sorry... The Analo_g_ Kids posts have a humorous slant
to them (BTW, thanks A.K.,  I've had quite a few good laughs reading your 
stuff).  I don't think he's serious about his satan kick... If he is, I'll have 
to kill him in the name of The Master of the Abyss . :^)

-Karl M.

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:26:25 CST

>In article <1993Jan21.230900.10084@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>>In an attempt to add more excitement to the net, I have a new idea.  How about
>>Album bouts?  It entails taking one album and placing it in the ring with
>>another in order to see how the two compare.
>>
>>RUSH ALBUM BOUT #1
>>        Hold Your Fire v. Fly by Night
>>
>>How about it?  Which one do you think is better and why?

It's sort of funny that these are probably the two Rush albums I listen to
the least (though I could probably put Presto and Roll The Bones in this
category).  I would say that even though I'm an "Old Rush Fan", I think
that Hold Your Fire is a little better, but not much.  Fly By Night has a
few songs I like more than anything on HYF except Force 10, but overall,
it is not as strong.  Of course, these are really two different types of
albums - I listen to FBN when I want to hear some jamming and to "turn it
up", but I listen to HYF when I am in a more mellow mood, am studying, etc.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: faulkner@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shane P Faulkner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Question on Lifeson's Gear
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:06:07 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <C17rs9.M0A@vcd.hp.com> cpethick@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com (Christopher M. Pethick) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.064157.7515@midway.uchicago.edu> 
>kamartin@quads.uchicago.edu (Kai Anthony Martin) writes:
>> Anyway, what is a Taurus pedal?  Is it a special stomp-box or
>> effects processor?  What sound does it make?  Is there anywhere one could
>> buy such a thing?  Thanks a lot; I've been wondering about these things 
>> for a while...
>
>The taurus pedal was made by Moog and was essentially a very limited 
>synthesizer that you played with your feet.  It was fairly large and heavy 
>and had about a one to one and a half octave range.  (It's been a while 
>since I've seen one of these beasts.)  I was blown away the first time I 
>saw Geddy play bass, sing, and play the synth line with his feet all at 
>the same time.  This was on the Hemispheres tour.  

It's one octave.  It definitley is large and heavy.

>
>I think that when MIDI became more prevalent, the taurus pedals were 
>dropped in favor of something more versatile.  I'm pretty sure they were 
>still using them on the Permanent Waves tour but I can't remember if they 
>used them on the Moving Pictures tour.

They still use them to this day, though in a more limited role.  On the last
two tours, Alex used them in Time Stand Still to provide the droning bass notes.

>
>You may be able to find one of these things used somewhere.  I wouldn't 
>recommend it though.  Modern sythns sound so much better and with MIDI you 
>can trigger them in a lot of different ways.

I have to disagree vehemently here.  If you can find used Taurus pedals, GET
THEM.  NO SYNTH I have ever heard can match the awesome Taurus sound at a high
volume.  It's bone chilling.  I got mine for $350 used 3 years, and since then
I've talked to people who paid as much as $1000 for a set.  I believe they
were around $500 when they were in production.

>
>I hope this answers your question.
>Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Bouts->Satanism->religion in Prime Mover
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:47:14 GMT

> Neil's passionate belief in free will and self determination precludes *any*
> kind of allegiance to a "higher" or "lower" power (depending on your
> perspective, I suppose).  This would include God as much as it would include
> Satan.  "Prime Mover" on HYF is somewhat enigmatic (for me) though, because
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the title suggests Aristotle's concept of a "divine" being (not what passes
> for god today, but rather of some other intelligence which was responsible
> for physical reality) whom he called the 'prime mover' or 'uncaused cause'
> in his metaphysics.
	Actually, I've always seen it (tranlate: IMHO) as a statement of
personal power over the universe.  Follows a brief excerpt from personal
philosophy:
	What is a god?				One with power over a life.
	I have this power over my own life!	You are a god, then.

	I think this song could easily have been written by somebody with this
point of view.  'I set the wheels in motion, turn up all the machines; activate
the programs and (?)lounge behind the scenes'...'and watch the world go round!' 
This seems to be an expression of "I've made decisions for myself.  I aprove of
my own decisions, and enjoy living my life so much.  I look forward to seeing
what becomes of my decisions, what I'm going to become."
	Another opinion
	Earl
From: kerry@turing.seas.ucla.edu (Kerry J. Kopp)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB: Neurotica
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:21:04 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1993Jan24.203755.26456@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon) writes:
>In <108125@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>
>>In article <C1CHHz.9no@unix.portal.com> rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
>
[Stuff Deleted so my newserver will post this..grumble..]

Hello, Rush fans!

After listening to Neur. at full volume, I must say that I think Geddy is slurring his words. It sounds very, very, much like "Stop!", but It has enough of a 
"Snap" quality to make me wanna believe the lyrics. 
(Quick Safety tip: When listening to RTB at full volume on headphones, be sure 
to pause before the drums in the intro to YBYL...ouch....)

DOoesn't anyone out there know someone who knows one of the Three Gods of Music?It would be _sooo_ helpful!
In conclusion, I have to o with Geddy saying "Snap!"  I can't believe he'd lie..

(My $0.02 on the FBN - HYF debate: Both are great. So there. IMHO, "Turn the Page" is one of the best Rush songs ever.)

kjk

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From: kyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kris Young)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Digital vs. Analog
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:09:54 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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In article <1k2fupINNjoo@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:
>
> > And as for the Digital vs Analog debate, I personally think Analog
> > is better for the following reasons:
> > 1)  With Digital (computer), the sound is either 1 or 0, while in
> > Analog (real
> >     life), sounds vary "infinitely"
>
>Mmmm, I guess I see what you're saying.  But the problem is, everybody I
>know plays their music through speakers.  Speakers are powered by
>electrical current, which is either on or off, 1 or 0.  Seems like a
>pretty good match, then, to me.

I'll have to disagree with you there.  Speakers are not either on or off. 
There are varying degrees of on for speakers, not just simply on or off.  
This is because speakers act differently at different voltage levels.  By
definition, speakers are analog and not digital.  Sorry...  I had to get that
straight.  ;)

Kris Young
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: rushrush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Keith Robert Gudhus)
Subject: Re: Album Bout #3
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:04:25 GMT


Power Windows vs. Grace Under Pressure, eh?  Very tough call. P/g has special
sentimental value to me because it was the first Rush album I got.  It also
has some great stuff- Afterimage is amazing, and I love the lines in Between
the Wheels: "Bright images flashing by/ Like windshields towards a fly"- just
a totally vivid description!  At first the somber, melancholy sound of this
album bothered me, but now I enjoy it when I'm in a contemplative mood.

As much as I love P/g, however, I'd have to go with PoW.  I love Rush's 
experimentation with choir in Marathon- it really brings the song to a 
powerful crescendo- and Mystic Rhythms has what I feel is one of Neil's most
innovative percussion arrangements.  The rest of the album is totally solid.

Really good choice for an album bout!     :)




Keith 
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
Subject: Re: Digital vs. Analog
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:12:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.052258.12813@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kris Young) writes:
>Here's one for everyone to think about.  When I first listened to the new 
>digital CD's and such (as opposed to old analog LP's, cassetes), I noticed
>how nice, clear and noise free it was.  I also noticed that many subtle
>things in the music are much easier to hear.  However, when I really started
>to get in to digital, I noticed that something is missing. I saw a news
>report on eMpTytV that had a lot of artists bantering about on this point.
>There was the Dave Mustaine side of it "The people who switched from analog
>to digital and back to analog did it because they suck, and digital brings
>this out in the open."  Then there's the argument that inflections and reverbs
>are altered or lost in the sampling process.  I don't know about everyone else,
>but when I listen to an old album or LP (Moving Pictures, for instance), I 
>seem to notice that it has lots more energy behind it, even though the clarity suffers. 
>
>   I was wondering about this, because the world has begun to hit heavily
>in digital, perhaps not knowing that something is not quite right.  I hear the 
>digitally recorded RUSH stuff and wonder what could be...  What does everyone
>else think?  Have we lost something?  Are we moving in the wrong direction?
>Definitely a point to ponder.
>
>Kris

Really?  I listen to MP and have to turn it up a lot...
 
Isn't it a lot quieter than newer stuff?  I think it is..
 
And why does Caress Of Steel sound so damn good?  It's amazing!
 
I'll take DDD every day...  That stuff on the CD case that says "there is
no difference" is crap...  Buy a decent stereo and listen to it.  (not
you, I was talking to the idiots who wrote that stuff on the CD)
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The Pass
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:02:52 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <C1Fq40.HJE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>In article <C1FG2L.3v3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:
 
>>>       Christ, what have you done?

>>This subject has been discussed _ad infinitum_ in The National Midnight
>>Star. No concensus could be reached on the interpretation of this line
>>(not that one is necessary). 

>  Maybe this would be a good question that someone could try to bring up the 
>  next one of the boyz is on ROCKLINE.  I'm sure after the new album is out,
>  at least one of them will be on the show.  Then we could get the final answer
>  so we don't have to go through all that crap on the NMS again.  :)

Here here! But I'd bet that Neil would say that it was left
"intentionally vague"...


Gregg

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:35:05 GMT

> be used. The point is, as a result of their behavior the best trees are
> diminished.                                          ^^^^^^^^ <*ahem*>
	All trees :=)
	Earl
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:04:03 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1993Jan26.091436.10172@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <108275@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>> I don't think so. The _trees_ passed a law that they must be kept equal.
>> If any humans _reduced_ (a la "kept equal", not _felled_) _some_ trees
>> it was presumably due to _their_ law. It's not that the trees were
>> fighting humans or something.

>> My reading has always been that the trees `democratically' pushed
>> equality too far. Presumably this is what Neil meant by "human
>> behavior"...

>Weren't the humans responsible for passing the Noble Law?  The Oak oppression
>was stopped by hatchets, axes, and saws used by humans. 

Nope. The _maples_ passed a noble law.

> Unfortunately for all
>of the trees, the humans didn't distinguish between the kinds of trees that are
>chopped down.  The humans came by to end the war between the trees- not for
>altruistic motives, however.

Say what?

The relevant lyrics are:

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"These oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.


"They" clearly refers to the maples here.



Gregg

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"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
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