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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:09:07 GMT
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Good old Cheep-a-tow-a-ga.....
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:16:47 GMT


Trinkaus Manor *burned down*  ???!!!!

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From: CONEGA@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Greg Cone)
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Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:12:35 GMT
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In <1993Jan8.070715.19711@news.eng.convex.com> ramon@convex.com writes:

> 
> This film was set in New York State, was it actually filmed there?
> It is obvious that the forts appearing or referred to in the movie
> were close to Albany, but where exactly?  Is that where the movie
> was filmed, or did they film somewhere else?
> 
> -- 
> Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
> Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
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Most of it was filmed here in North Carolina, I think.

Interestly enough, I was born and raised in the Southern Tier of the
Finger Lakes Region.

Greg (formerly of Elmira, NY)

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From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Cheektowaga
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:42:49 GMT

v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:

>I am very embarrassed to say that Salvatore's is in Lancaster and only two
>miles from my house.  =(

Speaking of Lancaster, is a place called "Salvage Sam's" still in existance?
Or did the fire department close it down as a public hazard?

Salvage Sam's is/was an electronic hobbiest's nightmare, it is a small store
packed almost SOLID with surplus/junk electronic-related stuff of all sorts.
Half the stuff you couldn't even get to, it was out of reach or buried.

There were rumors of what was in the basement or garages the owner had...

-Mike
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From: jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack)
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:50:09 GMT

meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.132702.15018@fuug.fi> an3149@anon.penet.fi (nomad) writes:
>>Actually Cheektowaga stands for HOW ABOUT THOSE BILLS!!!

>If you were *really* from upstate NY, and *really* a Bills Fan, you would
>*know* that that is HOW ABOUT *THEM* BILLS!! 

Actually, if you were really from upstate, you'd know better than admit that
you come from a place like Cheektowaga and you'd be more apt to be ambiguous
and just say you're from Buffalo.  Better still, outright lie and tell people
you're from Rochester (much cleaner and nicer than the industrial pit of
buffalo) where "upstate" really applies.  I mean let's face it, being a Bills
fan is a great thing to be, but Buffalo's only positive aspect is the simple
fact that Canada (and all of its wonderful beer products) are in very short
proximity.  Oh yeah.....and the wings are the best!!!

Steelers stay in bed.....there's no hope.
!
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Wings and things...
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <C0GnqB.Bs0@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes...
>Since we're on the subject...Where does everyone go for the best wings?  The
>best wings I've ever had are at Ilio DiPaolo's Restaurant in Blasdell.
> 

	I like Sal's once in a while. He has a little hole in the wall 
bar not too far from dancing Luke's place. About the middle of 
Olmstead ave. in Depew.

	Luke must be about 100 by now. He looked 80 twenty years ago.

=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: lingling@abraxas.adelphi.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:51:30 GMT

feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:

>Actually, I want to know why no-one's mentioned *Western NY*...  I don't 
>actually consider Buffalo (Cheektowaga, etc...) upstate at all. Hey, someone
>had to mention this, eh?


I totally agree.  I would not call Buffalo 'Upstate' and I never heard
it called as such by people there.  When I was in school on Long
Island, people always called everything upwards of Manhattan 'Upstate'and
I always protsted.

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From: rlr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Raymond Roskwitalski)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: RR line in WNY
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:41:17 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: rlr@bromine.chem.buffalo.edu


I remember a RR crossing on kenmore ave. on the Buffalo city line.  The tracks
eventually make its way to Niagara Falls. It was part of the old Erie Lawkawana
line. Just before Conrail shut it down, They painted the signals, and  added more 
electronic devices. It seems such a thing could only happen here.

Raymond Roskwitalski, Jr.
rlr@bromine.chem.buffalo.edu
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From: ean@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Naratil)
Subject: Up-State "SNOW"
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp., Valley Forge Labs, Paoli, PA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:05:10 GMT

The best thing I like about up-state New York is:

The weather forecasts in the winter.  Syracuse/Utica radio/TV
stations are forever saying -

Up to 5 or 6 inches of lake effect flurries are expected today.

They never expect SNOW unless it's going to be 10" or more. Everything
else is 'lake effect flurries'!


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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:09:13 GMT
	<1993Jan10.140624.17152@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: Lisa.Kotter@launchpad.unc.edu's message of 10 Jan 93 14:06:24 GMT


In article <1993Jan10.140624.17152@samba.oit.unc.edu> Lisa.Kotter@launchpad.unc.edu (Lisa Ann Kotter) writes:

   In article <1993Jan10.060854.63673@watson.ibm.com> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
   >goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold) writes:
   >
   >Major?!? Ha!!! I like living here, but the airport sucks big red rocks.
   >
    I don't get it.  I hear everyone complaining about the Albany County Airport.
   It is no O'Hare field, but it does the job, doesn't it ?  The only
   inconvenience, if you can call it that, is that some of the gates do not
   have ramps, so you have to walk 30 feet to the side of the airplane
   and climb up the stairs.
     Compare it with the Schenectady County Airport, and you will see
   that the Albany County Airport is really a major airport. :-)  

It does the job SO FAR.  If the area continues to expand, the airport
will be in a bad way.  The location is less than great -- it's got 
problems with ground fog -- and it's tightly boxed in on three sides
and thus not very expandable.  Ground access seems to be quite adequate
now, but boost the traffic about 20% and I doubt that this will still be
so.  Ditto parking, ditto the way the baggage claim is organized.  Unless
I'm mistaken, the main terminal is more than 30 years old.  Without any
real room to expand, any "modernizations" will be mostly cosmetic in 
nature.
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
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Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:10:31 GMT
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In article <82-3!pd@rpi.edu> speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights) writes:

   etxmow@garboc29.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:

   >     I understand that the film was shot in both North Carolina and
   >     upstate N.Y. My question is whether the final scenes were shot in
   >     North Carolina or New York. Being a European I was not aware that
   >     such scenery existed in the eastern U.S.A.

   I'm pretty sure that the last scenes, with the panoramic mountain
   views, were shot in North Carolina:  there aren't too many views
   like that left in the Eastern US north of the Mason-Dixon line that
   haven't been raped by mining or speckled with houses and power plants.

   arlen

Insofar as there are, the Adirondack Park would be a logical place
to find them, wouldn't you say?

			"Forever wild!"

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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
	

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Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Wagner and Four Chimneys info?
Summary: addresses please
Keywords: wine
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:05:08 GMT

I spent four years in Ithaca one day, and I was wondering if anyone out
there happens to have the addresses of the Wagner and FOur Chimneys 
wineries handy.  The former is in Lodi, I remember that much.


Paul Ciszek                      No nation was ever drunk when wine
                                 was cheap.
pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu                            --Thomas Jefferson
From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:25:42 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan4.132702.15018@fuug.fi> an3149@anon.penet.fi (nomad) writes:
>Actually Cheektowaga stands for HOW ABOUT THOSE BILLS!!!

If you were *really* from upstate NY, and *really* a Bills Fan, you would
*know* that that is HOW ABOUT *THEM* BILLS!!!
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From: kasprj@sage4a.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:23:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.004623.24658@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
|> Think og the logistics of creating a new state within an existing one ... I  
|> thought about it over the past couple of days, and it cuuld be done, but it  
|> would be a long process.   Some of Dan's thoughts ...

 Interesting suggestions, Dan... 
 
 My friends and I used to do gedankenpolitikexperimenten like this a few 
years back, and we managed to restructure the entire northeastern US and 
were preparing to move on to the Ohio Valley before we got worn out. Some
of our reccomendations that I can remember:
 
 * Merge New Hampshire and Maine.
 
 * Merge Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and make Suffolk 
   County part of that state.
 
 * New York got split into four states: New Amsterdam (NYC, Nassau, 
   Westchester, and Rockland counties, plus Hudson, Bergen, Union 
   and Passaic counties in NJ), Catskill (the lower Hudson valley 
   up to Greene County, and west to Port Jervis), Adirondack 
   (everything from Columbia County up to the Canadian border, 
   western boundary around Utica-Rome, including the Adirondack Park
   and all of Vermont), and Seneca (the western part of NYS). I think
   we decided to just nuke Buffalo till it glowed.
 
 * Greater Philadelphia, including the area around Camden NJ, would
   become its own state.  
 
 * Merge Delaware and eastern Maryland into the state of Delmarva 
   and give the western panhandle of Maryland to Virginia.
 
 I can't remember the rest of our grand designs, but Pennsylvania got
carved up as well. We were also going to build a new island off of 
Staten Island with all the NYC landfill. 
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From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: accents (was Re: Weather)
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:27:29 GMT

In article <1it8ajINNlin@lynx.unm.edu>, chumbach@carina.unm.edu (Charles S. Humbach) writes:

|>  I think the Noo Yawk accent is dissapearing as it is. I'm from the
|> city as are many of my friends and the only guy with a Noo Yawk
|> accent is from Lawn Gisland (Long Island).
 
 Actually, I think that many of the small regional accents are disappearing
simply because of the movement of people and the influence of broadcast 
media (which train everyone to talk as though they came from Illinois).
I was born in Worcester, MA, grew up in Connecticut and now live in New 
York, but I don't have a Massachusetts, Connecticut or New York accent. 
I don't know about conditions in the South, where the accent seems to be
more persistent, but everyone from north of the Mason-Dixon line is 
starting to sound alike these days.
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Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 17:43:51 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin) writes:

> OK, I grant people have strong feelings about NYC. And I agree that
> upstaters shouldn't have to have their (our) landscape ruined to serve
> NYC with power lines, water, etc. I know that all the nice bodies of
> water in, say, Putnam County, are cordoned off with signs saying "NYC
> Water Supply." I could also possibly agree that NYC and upstate
> shouldn't have to share the same state as far as taxes, etc. go.
> 
> What I don't agree with is that NYC-hatred should be a dominant theme
> of this newsgroup. It is possible, no matter what some of the flamers
> have said, to like and appreciate both upstate and NYC. They're not
> mutually exclusive.
> 
> 


     Actually I wrote something over 30 lines that discussed the 
definition of Upstate, Downstate, Northern N.Y. and the Southern and 
Northern Tiers.  I also discussed where I was from and various N.Y. beers 
I've enjoyed (?).  About two lines mentioned that I consider NYC "evil", 
which I do; but what I wrote was hardly a message "bashing" NYC.  I will 
agree however that the purpose of this conference is to discuss Upstate 
and Northern N.Y., so I will confine my comments to germain topics from 
this point on.

-Bob

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From: hirvo001@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:28:50 GMT

>Four Chimneys sells *organic* wines. Definitely worth checking out.
>Reasonably priced as well, but hard to find since many distributers
>won't stock it. I guess it's possibly less stable?  
>
>I drove down to Seneca Lake specifically to get a case of same, and I'm
>not disappointed. They have a lot of variety, too.
>
>Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
>  "To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion" - Unknown

I agree!!  It's nice to try something a little different. (alot of the ones
I tried were flavored like raspberry or blueberry etc.)

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From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Real Canadian Beer
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:49:52 GMT

In article <C0pzIE.LJI@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
|> 
|> All the Canadian beers you mention are available here in atlanta.
 
 Um, yes and no. The US import laws don't allow beer with 6.2% alcoholic
content to be marketed here. The stuff that they sell as "Molson" in the
US is grade-A pisswater, and I won't drink it unless the only other choice
is _American_ pisswater. True beer fanciers know that REAL Molson has to 
be bought in Canada. I usually stop to pick up a case of Molson Ex at the 
duty-free shop just across the Canadian side on the Northway when I return
from my occasional visit to Montreal. Cheap, too -- about $12/case.
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From: hamilton@hydra.cs.gmr.com (William E. Hamilton CS50 CS/50)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:28:53 GMT
Organization: G.M. Research Laboratories

In article <1993Jan6.215009.9676@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack) writes:
>meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach) writes:
>
>
>Better still, outright lie and tell people
>you're from Rochester (much cleaner and nicer than the industrial pit of
>buffalo) where "upstate" really applies.  I mean let's face it, being a Bills
>fan is a great thing to be, but Buffalo's only positive aspect is the simple
>fact that Canada (and all of its wonderful beer products) are in very short
>proximity.  Oh yeah.....and the wings are the best!!!

I lived near Buffalo for 11 years, and I'm happy to admit it.  There are
few cities that size in the US where you can get from the center of
downtown to a ski area like Holiday Valley with 1200 feet of vertical in
less than an hour. In fact from SE Michigan Holiday Valley is only 
6 hours away - much closer than the only decent areas in MI.
And don't forget beef on Kimmelweck, and oh yes - 
Antoinette's and Chef's and ... I could go on and on.
>
>Steelers stay in bed.....there's no hope.

Amen!

>!

Bill Hamilton
GM Research
From: dperry@pacman.WPI.EDU (Deborah Perry)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: southern tier
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:22:25 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Glad to hear the southern tier mentioned. (Sorry about previous mix-ups;
I'm new at posting.) I grew up in Corning and go back as frequently as
I can. Still have family in the area. I agree with the others who stated
that this newsgroup is a link to home. I'll always be an "up-stater" never
a New Englander.
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Weather
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:50:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.015748.7244@pool.info.sunyit.edu>, scmj@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Christine Johnson) writes:
|> I grew up on Long Island and it is
|> certainly NOT the same as NYC.  I grew corn in my spacious backyard,
|> went strawberry picking and walked in my neighborhood after dark without
|> fearing for my life.  Long Island is a big place - take a visit to the
|> potato farm area in eastern Long Island and tell me it is just like
|> the city!
 
 In 1945, most of Nassau and Suffolk counties, and a good portion of 
Queens, was rural land with very few people in it. Even as recently as
the 70's there were still farms and tracts of undeveloped woodland 
in Nassau. Today, Nassau is pretty much wall-to-wall suburbs. 
 
 Once you get out to Suffolk County, and especially east of Huntington, 
you start to see the Island as it used to be before the developers 
swallowed it. I'll second what Christine said -- Long Island is bigger
and more diverse than a lot of people seem to think. People from outside
the Island who spend a lot of time there (and this included me until a
couple of years ago) generally only see the congested suburban jungle 
of Nassau County. There's a lot more out there, though.
 
 Hm, perhaps we need an alt.culture.long-island as well.
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From: crovella@calspan.com (Mark E. Crovella)
Subject: Re: Wings and things...
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:17:29 GMT

In article <C0GnqB.Bs0@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:
>Since we're on the subject...Where does everyone go for the best wings?  The
>best wings I've ever had are at Ilio DiPaolo's Restaurant in Blasdell.

	Duff's (Millersport & Sheridan) makes em good & hot.	

>
>DANCING LUKE is still around!  Yes, believe it or not, he hasn't been killed
>yet.
	
	I always wondered about him, glad I at least know his name.  How long
would you say he's been there?  I've seen him there for at least 7 years.

Regarding the Transit & Genesee project -- the Genesee bridge being taken down
is really decrepit;  now that the road travels past it, you can see it from
below, and I'm scared to have been on it.  I think that maybe somebody decided
that it either had to be replaced or removed, and the tracks are used so rarely
that removal was most cost effective.     





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