HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: how european do the turks feel
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:19:07 GMT


(lines deleted)

>
>>I wholeheartedly wish you well among the brutes. You, personaly, are not one
>>of them.
>
>I am one of them! We ruled Greece with justice for centuries. Not only
>Greece but  Balkans, Middle East and North Africa.

	You seem to forget that Turkey was in the wars of this century, 
on the "Badies" side. To ad to that they had a genocide of their own
you also seem to forget.


>
>Since the fall of Ottomans, turmoil, killings, oppression and treachery
>prevailed for the people living around. Look at Middle East, Algeria,
>Tunisia, Bosnia, Albania...
>
	To me you are giving a more acurate discription of Turkey.
How many are killed a year from Terorist attacks ? How about from
govermant forces. How about the fact that you have a free and prospering
country. Not quite.Oh and on another note, the Europe you are talking
about is the western world. The reason of termoil in X-Yougolsavia
is due to hatred left behind from the Otoman rule that was covered by
Communism. Nothing to do with the Western world. And on a final note
the worst period in the history of he reageon in terms of "turmoil",
"Killings", "Oppression" and "treachery" was during the Ottoman ocupation.
	Maybe you should drop reading your propaganda. The otomans were
hated in the Balcans for a reason.


>
>My intention is not to insult Greeks or any other European people.
>I think, there are individual Europeans who do not support the 
>ideas/policies dominant in the Western countries.
				^^^^^^^^
	The trouble spots you mention are not western countries,
if anything they are old hatreds left over from the Otaman rule.

> Similarly, 
>you should not blame me because of the puppet regimes of Middle 
>Eastern countries. 
	No but a good example of a democratic regime was the Ottoman
rule ?!?!?! A life to get is an idea for you ...



>
>regards,
>-Soner

	Likewise
			George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: karageorgiou@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (Voodoo Man : member XMAK)
Subject: Re: Greek communities throughout Europe
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: travel, varying opinions
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:25:00 GMT

In article <jyc.716074910@Leland>, jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes...
>   I myself have only spent a few days in Turkey, but I found everyone
>quite friendly and helpful when I was there, even though I had a Greek
>name (which they could see in my American passport) and though I had
>come to the country directly from Greece.  
> 
>   Maybe an interesting question to ask members of this group would be,
>if you are Greek and have travelled in Turkey, how did the people react
>to you, especially the ones who knew you were Greek?
> 
>   And if you are Turkish and have travelled in Greece, how did the
>people react to you, especially the ones who knew you were Turkish? 

	Back home I used to give tour to people from Turkey, the working
people in Germany Greeks and Turks live quite happily together there,
the problem there is the Nazis ;-(. My parents used to be gastarbaiters
in Germany and I still  keep up with what is going on there, it seems o.k.
	As for those inane commants about hatred that's what they are inane.
There is of course the incident of a Greek bus full of people that got
burned in Turkey with everyone on board but for that I condemn religious
fanaticism , both Muslim and Christian alike. And believe me i had more
trouble with Christians than Muslims.

Yeian & Eytyxeian
Angelos Karageorgiou
Peace = Eirini

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8628 eunet.politics:1271
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: Macedonia
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:24:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>karageorgiou@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (Voodoo Man : member XMAK):
>>  	Yo don't you get it ? The name is used to advance territorial claims
>> DO YOU GET IT? The Skopjeans want a piece of Greece that's why they are using
>> a Greek Name. Do YOU GET IT?
>Where's the evidence? There have been a lot of accusations like this
>flying about on this newsgroup, but no one has yet produced *one*
>concrete piece of evidence that this is the case.  I thought the
>Macedonians wanted to use their name because its their name, seems
>reasonable to me.

You can find such an evidence even by reading articles written by these people.
I quote from a recent one :

In <1992Sep3.899.10610@dosgate> someone who signs as "Lubi" and he claims
that he is a "Macedonian"   (however, he is using the account of 
mike.vanier@canrem.com (mike vanier)),  writes:

       "... Despite intense
          efforts by Greece and Bulgaria to eliminate the identity of the
          Macedonians, in the parts of Macedonian which they now occupy..."
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^
and
       "... for that part of Macedonia which is liberated and 
            Greek-Macedonian for that part which is occupied by Greece...
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^

Of course, I suppose that you don't expect official claims by a government
asking for international recognition in order to be convinced. However, there
are two major points:
- Maps showing a "Great Macedonia", which include almost the whole of
  Northern Greece, have been published even in western newspapers and
  magasines. Don't you wonder where they originate from? 
- During the past 50 years, this republic has repeatedly made similar claims; 
  I suppose that you know this; if you don't, I can post the announcement 
  of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia concerning the formation of the 
  "People's Republic of Macedonia", and some other announcements thereafter. 
  However, isnt'it sad to expect from the Greeks to prove that such claims 
  still exist, and not from them to show good will since they have been the 
  aggressors against Greece for half a century?

People in the ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia"
have been the victims of an illogical policy during the last 50 years.
For several reasons they have been taught  an history that has nothing to
do with history in order to justify why they are called "Macedonians".
Today, it seems that these people have shaped a distinct national
consciousness (though this is not very clear) and since they want independence
they can form an independent state; but, on the other hand, should we permit 
a handful of politicians to continue the same illogical policy?

--rizos

PS:Those who believe that they are "Macedonians" are only a part of the
population in this republic; I think no more than 60%; the remaining 40%
(mainly Albanians) strongly oppose the use of this name...
From: by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Welcome back, KELLY
Date: 9 Sep 1992 01:27:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Another gem fetched from soc.culture.turkish. Hidden amongst the reams and
reams of ASCII data, here comes.....

> From [...]!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!kksys.com!anatolia!news
> From: KELLY@SUVM.SYR.EDU
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
> Subject: Test
> Message-ID: <m0mRyyD-0002RjC@uum1.mn.org>
> Date: 8 Sep 92 06:22:19 GMT
> Sender: news@anatolia.mn.org
> Lines: 1
> 
> Test Tuesday 02:23 a. 9/8/92

Well Well WELL. Who's back once again. Pretty soon and we'll have the
entire list of users in the Mut*u/Cos*r/KEL*Y Posting house. 

Observant news readers may want to notice the path; KELLY@SUVM.SYR.EDU
sounds like a valid address; then, it was posted from 'anatolia', though
the Message-ID indicates yet another machine, 'uum1.mn.org'. 

We all remember KELLY of course; he was the one posting re-prints of 
Mut*u's stuff, especially the "Greeks did this and that to Jews 400
years ago" material, in his less than lively discussions with Andronicos
Romanos (PXP111@PSUVM.PSU.EDU).

Well, Wellcome back KELLY. Maybe this time you'll get to write some of
your own material, unlike last time. It worked for others in the
Mut*u/Cos*r/KEL*Y Posting house....

[Would someone forward this to Mustafa? I'm pretty sure I made tops 
in his Kill file(s) but would like to send him one more example of 
fanatics at work...]

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                  by403@cleveland.freenet.edu
OUZO POWER                                 [Not really in Cleveland]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Auto to paidi... [was Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:14:58 GMT


>In article <1992Sep6.081034.21575@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:

>   ...Dev jerw av o Makrakns exei kaveva logo va mnv eivai filellnvas
>   alla fil/ellnvas dev eivai. Dev mporei va jerei kaveis ti krubei
>   picw apo tnv yuxrn "logikn" tou. To paidi icws va qelei va bgalei
>   t' apoqumeva tou kai katebazei oti gouctarei xwris va tov
>   evdiaferei av qigei tnv ellnvikn pleura tou qematos n` tous
>   Ellnves.

macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis) writes:

> (Polles asynartisies )

>Anti na hanete tis energies sas sto na me vrizete, giati tote
>den apantate sto periehomeno ton arthron mou?

 E oxi re file.  Ola ta pragmata sthn Ellada kaka, straba, kai anapoda einai? 
 To 0ewreis xasimo xronou na grapseis kai kana kalo logo?  
 Ta ar0ra sou prosbaloun synexws thn Ellada kai tous Ellhnes.  Apopsi mou.

 0eleis na kaneis kritikh?  Piase to bit.listserv.hellas, kai alakse tou
 ta fwta.

 Apopsi mou loipon, einai oti den dineis dekara tsakisti gia thn ellada. An 
 den s' aresei h apopsi mou, skasila mou.  Exw to dikaioma na se brisw (an
 kai krath0hka mexri stogmhs kai den to exw kanei), opws kai esy brizeis
 thn patrida sou. 
 
 Gia afto mhn paraponiesai. Katalaves?  

>	-s

 
-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8600 soc.culture.europe:8193
From: petrides@ecst.csuchico.edu (Georgios Petrides)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Two countries in Cyprus?!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 08:44:21 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Sep11.150707.3598@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> lmk@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>We know that the puppet Greek junta is guilty for a lot of Cyprus' misfortunes.
>Don't you think though that the popular British policy of divide and rule,
>which
>was applied shamelessly by the British between 1955-59, has anything to do with
>some of Cyprus' problems?  I think that Cyprus is a textbook example of the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Thank god finally somebody mentioned it,I believe
this is the root of most of the problems between Greek and Turkish Cypriots
and if we don't realise that we will keep looking at the past instead of 
working towards a united and bright future.

>results of such colonial policies.
>
>As far as your claim about two counties in Cyprus you are wrong.  There is one
>internationally recognized country whose northern part has been invaded and is
>being occupied by Turkiye in violation of international law.
>
>I don't really care whether Greece dislikes the fact Cyprus is divided.  Being
>a
>native of Cyprus I believe that it is too small of a country to be divided into
>two counties.  I am vry concerned about the import of settlers from mainland
>Turkiye the sole purpose of which is to alter the demographics of the island. 
In fact this is my only problem for a united country because these settlers are
actually the crab of Turkey and I wouldn't like the idea of an ex Turkish 
prisoner to be free to walk about my parents house in Nicosia.
>I
>would like for Greeks and Turks of Cyprus to work toward Cyprus' prosperity and
>not argue who is right or wrong, or who was there first.  That kind of a
>discussion is futile.
>
>Loukis Kissonergis
>West Virginia University
>In article <4051@keele.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
>writes:
>> From article <10SEP199217425070@scsuc.ctstateu.edu>, by karageorgiou@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (Voodoo Man : member XMAK):
>>  
>>> 	Aren't you the bloke that said there were two countries on Cyprus?
>>> 	You still post on the net? Where is your credibility ?
>> 
>> Live in the real world not that of theory. There are two countries on the island of Cyprus
>> whether Greece likes it our not. Since this sad state of affairs came
>> about through an invasion provoked by a neo-fascist coup sponsored by
>> the Greek junta of the day, I can't see that there is much room on the
>> Greek side to moan about it.
>> 
>> 
>> Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Macedonia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:30:05 GMT

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>Rizos Sakellariou (rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk) writes:
>>People in the ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia"
>>have been the victims of an illogical policy during the last 50 years.

>Judging from the lack of logic shown in this newsgroup, it doesn't
>seem that the Greeks have fared much better...

 Aahh, the intelectual Mr. Somar* opens his mouth again.  Mr. Somar*
 has repeatedly said that he is not interested in what has hapened
 the past 50+ years, which has led to the current position.

 However, Mr. Somar* can still open his mouth and talk about "lack
 of logic."  Perhaps, if someone could kick his head, it would then be
 possible to see some improvement in his way of thinking.  

>>the remaining 40% (mainly Albanians) strongly oppose the use of this name...

>This argument is often presented by Greek netters. Can anyone
>confirm this, or is it just another sample from the Greek
>propaganda machine?

 What ??  The informed Mr. Somar* does not know that the leader of the
 Albanian minority (if 40% can be a minority)  has repeatedly stated
 that the Albanians object to the use of this name?

 What do you expect Mr. Somar*, these people do not want a name that is
 not theirs, but was imposed by the communist regime of Tito.
 You think that the communist propaganda has worked perfectly?

 Perhaps, Mr. Somar* could also inform us how many of the neighbors of
 this republic accept the existence of a "Macedonian" nation?  Could
 you open your mouth and give us this number, or is this going to cause
 you a stroke?

>Erland Sommarskog 


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Subject: Auto to paidi... [was Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia]
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:10:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.212723.223981@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
>In article <MACRAKIS.92Sep4155948@next4.osf.org>,macrakis@osf.org(Stavros Macr
>akis) writes:
>>...
>>
>>       -s
>
>Loipon, as mhn brethei twra kaneis pou na mhn katalabei to point mou:
>Oti autos o tipotenios anthrwpakos den xanei eukairia na ekfrasthei kata twn
>ellhnikwn symferontwn SE KATHE THEMA! (oxi mono gia ta Skopia). Kai mhn
>brethei kaneis na xarakthrisei auton ton graikylo, pou poios kserei pio
>komplex ton ekane na mishsei thn idia thn prwhn patrida tou, Ellhna, giati tha
>mou anapsoun ta lampakia... Den ginetai pantou oi epishmes ellhnikes theseis
>na einai lathos kai autos o fwsthras swstos.
>
>Sas eipa: 4 xronia toulaxiston, to idio styl, kai se KATHE thema. Think about
>it...
>
>Kai an yparxei kati s' auth thn istoria pou me euxaristei einai oti emeis oi
>Ellhnes mporei na bgaloume kati tetoious prodotes kai omws na sebomaste
>apolyta to dikaiwma tous na ekfrazontai eleuthera xwris kanena fobo. Auto
>deixnei oti exoume elpides gia to mellon san laos. Sygkrinete me tous
>memethdes, pou kaneis den exei tolmhsei pote na milhsei enantion tou orgiou
>propagandas pou den tha pw onoma gia na mhn me piasoun ta kill files... :-)

Gevika cumfwvw me to parapavw. Dev jerw av o Makrakns exei kaveva logo va
mnv eivai filellnvas alla fil/ellnvas dev eivai. Dev mporei va jerei kaveis
ti krubei picw apo tnv yuxrn "logikn" tou. To paidi icws va qelei va bgalei
t' apoqumeva tou kai katebazei oti gouctarei xwris va tov evdiaferei av qigei
tnv ellnvikn pleura tou qematos n` tous Ellnves.

>-- 
>------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
>+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
><dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
>------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle

Uncle Sam's nightmare: "Dan... I feel sick!" 8-(

Serafeim.
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8715 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8661 soc.culture.bulgaria:1396
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Goce Delchev renamed !!!(Was: Re: MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS !!!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:31:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Sep10.194915.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8638760@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THE MACEDONIAN STATE--------> IS INEVITABLE) writes:

[deleted]

>                       REMEMBER !
>      @    MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS (AS A WELL KNOWN BRITISH SCHOLAR
>SAID IN 1913).

Which British scholar said this in 1913 and where?

>      @    LONGLIVE     'VMRO' GOCE DELCEVSKI 1903
					^^^^^^

Hey, do not insult the memory of Goce Delchev by renaming him !!!


> MACEDONIANS ...
>AND ARE 
>           NOT MOST OF ALL SLAVS!


Is the earth flat? Do you see flying pink elephants around? 


Luben

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"Let us not allow splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a
pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one
common disease"
				Gotse Delchev
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From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:32:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA


Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Automotive Request
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:53:50 GMT

(For Greek or Greek-Americans only; this is an ethnicity based study)

I am trying to find out whether Greeks or Greek Americans are more
likely to buy certain kinds (brands) of automobiles. Over the years, 
I'd go to, say, a Greek Church or Festival and see certain patterns in
car ownership (brand and model). 

If you could care to send me an email notice with the car(s) you drive
now, and if possible, cars you owned in the past, I'd be delighted. 
A format such as the following would be great:

1992 Saturn SL2		
1989 Pontiac Grand Am LE
1985 Honda Civic 1500 S
1972 Toyota Corolla 		(college car)
1974 Olds Delta 88		(college car)

and so on. I'll post summaries if enough people respond. No names will be
used. 

Thanks,

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
From: lmk@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Two countries in Cyprus?!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:38:09 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

We know that the puppet Greek junta is guilty for a lot of Cyprus' misfortunes.
Don't you think though that the popular British policy of divide and rule,
which
was applied shamelessly by the British between 1955-59, has anything to do with
some of Cyprus' problems?  I think that Cyprus is a textbook example of the
results of such colonial policies.

As far as your claim about two counties in Cyprus you are wrong.  There is one
internationally recognized country whose northern part has been invaded and is
being occupied by Turkiye in violation of international law.

I don't really care whether Greece dislikes the fact Cyprus is divided.  Being
a
native of Cyprus I believe that it is too small of a country to be divided into
two counties.  I am vry concerned about the import of settlers from mainland
Turkiye the sole purpose of which is to alter the demographics of the island. 
I
would like for Greeks and Turks of Cyprus to work toward Cyprus' prosperity and
not argue who is right or wrong, or who was there first.  That kind of a
discussion is futile.

Loukis Kissonergis
West Virginia University
In article <4051@keele.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
writes:
> From article <10SEP199217425070@scsuc.ctstateu.edu>, by karageorgiou@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (Voodoo Man : member XMAK):
>  
>> 	Aren't you the bloke that said there were two countries on Cyprus?
>> 	You still post on the net? Where is your credibility ?
> 
> Live in the real world not that of theory. There are two countries on the island of Cyprus
> whether Greece likes it our not. Since this sad state of affairs came
> about through an invasion provoked by a neo-fascist coup sponsored by
> the Greek junta of the day, I can't see that there is much room on the
> Greek side to moan about it.
> 
> 
> Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Hi to all my friends from greece
From: jsekhar@uceng.UC.EDU (DR J.A.SEKHAR)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:13:17 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College

Hi to all my friends from greece
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek