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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:43:54 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>   lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>   > lchsu@cayley.waterloo.edu (Leon C. Hsu) writes:
>   >
>   >Let me tell you about life in Canada (or at least Ontario).
>   [...]
>   >is, everyone is covered for reasonable medical expenses,
>	^^^^^^^^
>   EVERYONE?  including foreign students or other non-Canadians?
>   Just curious.
>
>Wouldn't surprise me.  When I was growing up in Britain, my whole
>family was covered by the National Health Service, even though we 
>were (and are) all U.S. citizens.

The moment you get federal and provincial taxes deducted from your
paycheque, you're paying the universal health premiums.  This would
assume that the foreign student had an on-campus job or fellowship.
Self-supporting foreign students and travellers have access to private
insurance premiums that link into the appropriate provincial HMO's
(not federal) (n.b., Canada, France and Germany have universal health
INSURANCE paying out to private doctors and hospitals on per-procedure
basis, not a central government-run health bureaucy like in Britain
and in the former Eastern Bloc; if this conflicts with what you hear
from debates and editorials on the American news, please note that I'm
Canadian (-; ... people up north can't believe the bogosities being
thrown around down here!).

gld

* In Canada and much of Europe, "private" health insurance involves
supplementary coverage beyond basic (bandages-to-brain-surgery) ...
stuff like semi- and private rooms, telephone, television, pharmacy,
dental, etc.  My father registers all of our family as employees of
the family business to get a better group plan rate along with real
employees, except for my sister (who gets it from her firm) and me
whenever I'm not working (at the moment, I'm on leave (-; from Dare-
Lotus, Inc. but covered for private anywhere in Canada).  
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixD.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Asian Babes and Western Hunks, and now this? (Re: Keeping in ...)
Keywords: more whining
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.214340.14174@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.202324.12692@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> e199-ac@fornax
> (Alexander Lee) whines:
> >...
> >If white people persistently decide to descriminate against asians
> >in corportate America, it's just going to back-fire.
> 
> When are people going to stop whining?  Asking for advice is one thing,
> but whining is another.
> 
> Does Mr. Lee honestly think that the world is fair or going to be
> fair any time soon?  Wake up and smell the fried twinkies.
> 
> Does Mr. Lee honestly think that Chinese-cu people treat Europeans-cu
> any better?   Then again, they don't treat people in general all that great.
> Does he think that Japanese people treat non-Japanese Orientals any
> better?   Does he think that Koreans treat the Japanese any better?
> 
> If Mr. Lee is asking for advice (and he's not), then it's fine.
> Otherwise, he should stop his stupid whining.  Whining is pointless.
> 
> Life _isn't_ fair.  Wake up and smell the bloody sushi, okay?

     Dwight, your attitude here seems a little too hard-nosed and
fatalistic.  Sure, there's a point at which complaints, even legitimate
ones, cross over into whining.

     However, there's also a legitimate reason for complaints: to
invoke change.  If African-Americans hadn't spoken up for their civil
rights, they'd still be restricted to share cropping.  My debut into
this newsgroup described how I complained - what you might call
"whining" - to my apartment manager about a racist insult from one of
their contract workers.  That jerk got his butt fired, and you can bet
he he'll be more discreet about airing his racist views in public.

     Voicing displeasure is the first step on the road to change . . .
hopefully.

							George

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Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: e199-ac@fornax (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Keywords: cheese
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:22:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <36896@ttidca.TTI.COM> andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold) writes:
>
>Jim, 
>
>I like cheese.  Yes, even American cheese.
>
>Andrew

I hate both cheese and milk.  It's too WHITE.

I prefer chocolate.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Some recent stats in the San Jose Mercury
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:14:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Jul27.184022.8674@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.011214.21748@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
|> >	2.  Why did the Murky News focus on *household* income, rather than
|> >		per capita income?  Many of the less-prosperous Asian-American
|> >		families that I know have many, many wage-earners to make up
|> >		for the lousy pay they get from the lousy jobs they can find.
|> 
|> From my volunteer work at the SouthEast Asia Center, this fact is also very
|> true in the metropolitan Chicago area.

A newspaper here in San Diego also reported AA households having the
highest household income but they also pointed out that there tended to
be more wage earners in AA households.

I would be more interested in per wage earner income and
#wage earners/household statistics but only mildly more interested.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Cheese
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:32:26 GMT

In article <MDAY.92Jul20095250@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>, mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>    rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
> 
>    As long as one hasnt developed any ill affects to it
>    I suggest, EVERYONE drink milk.  Afterall IT IS the
>    food that all mammals produce for their young, and would
>    make sence that it is a optimal in terms of nutrition.
> 
> Sorry, but this intuition is wrong at several levels.
> 
> First, milk varies among mammals; human milk is thinner and sweeter
> than cow's milk.  So even if we were to accept the idea that human
> milk is somehow "optimal" for nutrition, that says nothing about the
> value of cow's milk (except for calves).
> 
> Second, just because something is good for you when you are a tiny
> baby without teeth doesn't mean that it's good for you when you are
> fully-grown.  A similar phenomenon is that children need much more fat
> in their diet than adults do.
> 
> Finally, the time during which milk can be considered "optimal" is
> very short.  Well before the first birthday, a child starts to need
> more calories than they can get from milk alone.
> 
> I have nothing against milk -- I think it probably is good for most
> people who have enough lactase.  I just don't want people to be
> persuaded to drink it based on notions of its nutritional optimality.

     Gosh, this "light" topic is turning into a serious discussion.
A casual poll and discussion among my Asian and Asian-American friends
led us to the conclusion both of these groups need to drink more milk.
The basic observation was the more milk one drank in childhood (including
adolescence), the taller one is.

     Granted, this is not a scientific study, but it should serve scaa
quite well.  :-)  Besides, milk is a whole lot better than Coca-Cola.

							George

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Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
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From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Subject: Re: There's racism, and then there's RACISM (was Re: Racial preferences in choosing your mate)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:01:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism
Keywords: racism

In article <14kuegINNh1r@agate.berkeley.edu> judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.194123.16009@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>>When I wrote that reply to Gary, I was merely recognizing that the kind of
>>attitude he talked about *is* a form or racism.  No way you can get around
>>that conclusion.  But I don't automatically feel then that because it is a
><lots of good stuff deleted>
>
>Hey Jim, nothing personal, but racism is the belief that one race is superior
>over another. 

From the _Oxford American Dictionary_, "racism  n. [deleted] 3. the 
theory that human abilities are determined by race."  I probably 
would want to stretch that a bit and say "human abilities and 
attitudes".

>The attitude that Gary showed in his post is that race-related political 
>and social issues have no relevance whatsoever in our interactions with 
>people.

Oh, but race politics and issues have lots to do with interpersonal
relationships.  Too much, in fact.  All I am saying is that race 
should play less of a role (and ideally no role at all) in personal 
relationships.

>I disagree, but does that make me a racist? I don't think so. There's
>a difference between being race/ethnicity-conscious and being racist.

Do you treat people differently because of their race?  Do you think
that some races are more suited for (say) being your mate than others?

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM			``Out of a misty dream
(408) 862-5452			Our path emerges for a while, then closes
						Within a dream.'' -- E. Dowson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: e199-ac@fornax (Alexander Lee)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:23:24 GMT

In article <23276@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon) writes:

>Actually, I disagree.  I think you mean "rich White people can escape".
>One thing I do not see in these articles is the understanding of
>what economic power/powerlessness does to a person of any race,
>including white.  Claiming that white people can escape prejudice
>in the lega, political, and academic systems is plain wrong,
>and the news in front of you every day shows that.  It DOES show
>that RICH white people can escape the system.  That's a big difference.
>
>I'm doing my best to ignore the rest of this "down-with-honky" thread.
>
>While Judy's rhetoric is undoubtedly satisfying, because it sounds
>good, it feels good to say all that stuff, and it's PC to beat up
>on the good ol' white menace, it misses the simple point that the
>ONLY real effect it has is offending whites, instead of making
>them sympathetic. 

Your counter-argument to Judy is wholly based on the premise that
we are here to please white people, to seek sympathy, and to kiss their
white ass.  Well, I for one am getting sick and tired of it.  

I am sick and tired of hearing about how Steve Chen (the chief architect
and innovator of Cray's Microprosessors) dicked the company over by 
quitting because he couldn't get anywhere with management.  

I am sick and tired of hearing about how 5 asian xerox engineers 
who formed a multi-billion dollar company based in Taiwan are obligated
to work in this country for a management that wouldn't listen to them.

If white people persistently decide to descriminate against asians
in corportate America, it's just going to back-fire.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Cheese again (was Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:23:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.184201.13503@ichips.intel.com> sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) writes:
>[...] Also, this cheese thing.  I was surprised that no one mentioned that
>Asian Indians used a lot of dairy products.

Somebody did.  Mike Khaw responded to my assertion that I couldn't think
off-hand of an Oriental dish with cheese in it.  Mike said, "This is possibly
only true if your definition of "Oriental" excludes India, Pakistan, Bhutan,
etc., whose cuisines do make use of cheese and yogurt.
[<khaw.711515278@parcplace.com>]

Well, when I used the term "Oriental," I didn't mean for it to cover India,
Pakistan, et al.  I really don't want to bring up another argument over what
"Asian" or "Oriental" covers.  But that is the reason why I deliberately
stated "Oriental" rather than "Asian" in my original post.

>Maybe some Asian Americans are more Asian than others.

As many people have mentioned in the past, the term "Asian American" is not
the most semantically correct term ever invented.  But for that matter,
neither are a heck of a lot of other terms, including "Oriental," "Black,"
"White," "Latino," "Caucasian," "Indian (meaning Native American)," etc etc,
can I go on?  I believe that in many people's minds, the terms "Asian" and
"Oriental" generally cover the same group of people.  I've seen it used
practically interchangeably many times.  I also believe many (Asian) Indian
Americans do not consider their ethnic group as fitting under the "Asian
American" label.  (In fact, I've heard some Indian Americans state this rather
emphatically.)  Same with some Filipinos, although *TO ME* it seems they are
much more likely to be included in the "Asian American" umbrella.  But who
knows?  I'm just trying to use the terms that I think *most* people will
understand, and I think most people in this country do not equate the term
"Oriental" with Indian or Pakistani people.  However, if I'm wrong in this
assumption or if the consensus on this changes later, I'll be happy to update
my terms then.

As I'm not a big fan of semantical discussions, I'd better stop now.

Jim
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Perfect Families
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

With the discussions about degree envy, one thing kept coming to mind.
Every Asian-Indian family that I meet likes to put on a front that 
their family is perfect and that everyone in it is doing exceptionally
well. Its like they'll never admit any faults to you, which is quite
the opposite of what most white people I've met do. This is one of 
the reasons that I have trouble sustaining friendships with Indians.
They never let their guard down, and you always feel like you're in
competition with one another.

Do other asian cultures have similar problems?

Ron

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: htn@cs.columbia.edu (Hoa T Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: Columbia University 
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:07:41 GMT

In article <BrrM3A.EFH@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>BTW: I gad to go back and edit my reference to Asian meaning East Asians
>and Asian Indians, When I realized both were "Asians".  See the trouble with
>THAT word. ITS simply ambiguous.  If I used the word Oriental, I doubt anyone
>would have any confusion.  Only it may offend people who has some strange
>emotional baggage attached to that word.. Oh well.

To tell you the truth, emotional baggage aside, I'd be confused with the
word Oriental because when Europeans said of going to the Orient to get spices,
they many times meant going to India for spices. (ex. like when Columbus 
thought he was going to the Orient and specifically India)

So when you say Oriental, South Asians are still technically connotated in 
that word.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon (Re: Asian American Media Image)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:23:52 GMT

In article <22488@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee) writes:
>>[review of "Year of the Dragon"]
>>evaluation:  3 stars out of 4
>>siskel-and-ebert evaluation:  2 thumbs up
>I have to disagree with much of the introduction to this posting...
>This review is like saying that all Italian-Americans are like the characters
>in the movie series "The Godfather".. Granted that a portion of the
>Asian community in America is engaged in criminal activity, much of which
>can be linked to ancient practices/heritages from China; but to say that
>it accurately reflects the mentality of a large portion of the Asian-American
>community (IMHO) is incorrect.. I do not know how you can even say that..

Actually, although I didn't once use the word "Chinese", I was
referring specifically to Chinese-Americans.  The entire center of
attention in the movie was the criminal activities of Chinese-Americans
in China town.  When I commented that the movie accurately portrayed
the mentality of a large portion of the Asian-American community, I
was generally referring to the portion of the Chinese-American
community comprising individuals born overseas.  That, indeed, is
a large portion of the Asian-American community.

I was not referring to just the criminal elements highlighted by
the show.  I was referring to the entire milieu of the scenes.
There was one scene where a Chinese-American (born overseas) shows
the cops the two dead bodies of the Chinese-Americans murdered
by the Chinese-cu thugs.  The idiot says, aloud, (paraphrased)
"I've been working here for the better part of my life.  When
I was young, I had respect for others.  (pointing at the dead
bodies) These boys had no respect.  They just copied the white
guys, taking and selling drugs.  Doing all kinds of crap.  
And now look at what happens."

What the idiot doesn't realize is that the culture responsible for
the deaths of those two boys was Chinese-cu culture.  It had
nothing to do with European-cu-Americans.

There were many other scenes that really captured the mentality
of Chinese-cu people very accurately.  The one where a Chinese-cu
dude starts defending Chinese-cu society by pulling "facts" about
China, that occurred _T.H.O.U.S.A.N.D.S._ of years ago.  That
was very typically Chinese-cu.

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From: grd4016@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: <None>
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:08:53 GMT


Hi!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: csw9@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher S Wang)
Subject: Stuff...
Reply-To: csw9@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher S Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:08:46 GMT


I heard a while back that Hollywood was trying to make a movie from the book   
"Rising Sun" by Michael Crichton. This was during the height of the Japanese 
bashing that was going on a while back. Then I heard that they were having
trouble casting Asians for the movie which was great because I heard the book
was blatanly portraying Asians in a stereotypical light. I just read in the
paper the other day that they got Sean Connery to be in the film. This really
pissed me off because he's such a big name he's bound to draw attention to
the film (and unfortunately people to see the film.) But then I realized that
I might be jumping to conclusions seeing how I never read the book, although
I think it was the Times (NY) that called it "...American xenophobia at its 
finest..." or something like that. Can anyone give an objective view of the
book? On another tip, kudos to Marlon Brando for agreeing to do a film about
Christopher Columbus provided they portrayed him for what he really did (bring
about the ultimate downfall of the American Indian) and when they didn't, 
Brando tried to make them remove his name and affiliation from the film. I
don't know if he was successful or not. Too bad Sean doesn't have the same
sensibility, but alas, I jump to conclusions again. I hope somebody can 
prove me wrong.

One last tidbit, on asking "where are you from?" I must say that I get
that a lot from other Asians, not only Caucasians,
From: phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Dear Abby Letter: Draft #1
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:53:43 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

oh if it's not too late, you know what else you could do
about that letter is emphasize some stuff (when you print
it).  For example (from Patsy Wang's little thing):

>      We are worried that your answer reflects a feeling that Asian
>      Americans are foreign and different.  This is not the correct
>      attitude for racial harmony, and it contributes significantly to
>      the amount of Asian-bashing going on in this nation.  We were
>      born and raised in this country, and most of us are proud of
>      of our heritage, but we are as American as anyone else here.
			    ////////////////////////////////////// 
			       (italicize)		          		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:43:25 GMT

In article <Bs7qEt.G7o@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu) writes:
>HAHAHA!!! This is great! Pencil twirling is something that is big everywhere!
>I love it! Back when I was in high school, we used to say that being able
>to twirl a pencil was a pre-requisite for being on the IMO (International
>Mathematics Olympiad) team. I was introduced to it at a high school math 
>conference and learned to do it pretty quick.           
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[My face is green with envy right now]

AAAUUUGGHHHH!!!!!  I can't stand this!  Right after I read this, I tried
twirling my pen in my hand several times.  I can't even get a half-revolution
going.  What the hell's the matter with me?  You have no idea how worthless
I feel right now.  No idea whatsoever...

And I thought it was all in the genetics...

Jim

p.s. At least I can play ping-pong all right.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese again
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:26:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

What about Mongolian food?  Traditionally being herdsmen and all, I am sure
that Mongolians eat/drink plenty of milk products. 

Tying in the alcohol thread:  I may have imagined this, but I seem to recall
reading that the Mongolians produce an alcoholic beverage by fermenting milk.

-- 

						Woody Oshiro
						oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu
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