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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Series' beginnings
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:24:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr14.175635.11545@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>Well, this should be entertaining. :-)

	Nah. More like shooting fish in a barrel.

>In <9204131503.AA22417@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>>Jason Snell posts:
>>| Now, to flame point #2: "Where No Man Has Gone Before," which, in my mind, is
>>| one of TOS' best episodes.
>>| as well as being a pretty
>>| solid action show.
>>They had at least 10 better show that were "action" oriented:
>[some deleted]
>>Patterns of Force
>>A Piece of the Action
>>The Savage Curtain
>>Spectre of the Gun
>>Dagger of the Mind
>I can't buy any of these as being even in the same nation, much less the
>same ballpark. :-)

	The mind boggles. SPECTRE??


>>Even if we steer away from the "action" episodes, there were many that were
>>better that WNMHGB":
>[Again, some deleted]
>>The Paradise Syndrome
>>Wink of an Eye
>>By Any Other Name
>>I, Mudd
>>The Way to Eden
>Ditto these.  In fact, except for the first, I find all of these episodes to
>be very poor; mind-candy at best.

	Same here.  F'r instance, EDEN takes place when the show was well
into its descent into self parody.

>>I really do find it painful to watch DM.   When Decker  starts drooling and
>>spitting on the cast members as he utters (with no sense of  acting at all)
>We obviously have different definitions of the word "acting". :-)

	Well, didn't you get just a LITTLE sense of that with his continued
declarations that Patrick Stewart is a bad actor?




-- 
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Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Series' beginnings
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:23:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr16.194712.2763@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <9204161919.AA25822@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>>Roger Tang writes:
>>|       Well, didn't you get just a LITTLE sense of that with his continued
>>| declarations that Patrick Stewart is a bad actor?
>>Now, now, Roger...  let's not mis-quote me again.  I never  claimed Pat was
>>a bad actor.  I said that his style of acting  doesn't lend  itself well to
>>the television scene.   He  is one  of the  better performers  when he does
>>stage work.  He really knows his  stuff in  that arena.   He  just needs to
>>learn how to act well for *television*

	Now, now, Otto....let's not go into displaying your ignorance about
what acting is again....Suffice it to say, anyone who knows acting 
is likely to dissolve into incoherent guffaws when you start going into that
list of "flaws" again...

>Man, I don't know what your definition of "acting for television vs.
>acting for stage" is, but if more TV actors were as bad as Mr. Stewart,
>I'd be a much happier viewer.

	Agreed.....
-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Wesley's "Punishment" (SPOILERS FOR FIRST DUTY)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:07:05 EDT

In article <1992Apr16.150347.8264@uunet.uu.net>
kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
 
>
>Wes being a "Mozart of engineering" is bad enough, but with psi
>powers, too??  "But of course he won't retaliate!  He's a GOOD
>BOY!"  Yeah, right.  "See you in Pittsburgh."
>
When did Wes ever show evidence of psi abilities?  If you're talking about
that scene in "Remember Me" when he started to phase out, I think that was
more due to the influence of the Traveller than anything else.  I'd bet that
Wes couldn't duplicate the feat on his own.
 
Too bad, though.  Could you imagine the kinds of fights he and Troi would get
into?    :)
 
        Troi: "Captain, I sense great...anguish."
        Wes: "What are you talking about?  Anyone can see that she's thinking
              about the wonderful time she had with Cmdr Riker last night."
        Troi: "Shut up, you little brat!!"
 
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From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Death of Two Characters
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:49:10 GMT
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Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.
In-reply-to: bh@eng.auburn.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 17:54:18 GMT

I too must add fuel to the (no doubt upcoming) flame wars

>>>>I Love Geordi
>>>>>>>>>I hate the nudge!!

etc etc

Since I happen to think his character is one of the better developed
of the crew. Not to mention my respest for Levar Burton himself, something
I think he does an excellent job of adding to the character.

Oh well, ready for another grossly overdone set of followups??

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From: cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie R. Slasor)
Subject: Okona and Deep Space Nine
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:24:06 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

I just watched a rerun of The Outrageous Okona and all I could think of
was what a perfect character Okona would be as a semi-regular visitor
to the proposed station in DS9.  With the casino and brothel I keep hearing
will be on the show it would be a natural place for him to drop in on.
In fact, I can't think of any other character from TNG who would be better 
suited to such a place, with the possible exception of Riker.

Of course the fact that I *really* liked Okona might have something to do
with my opinions.  :^)


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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Series' beginnings
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:32:23 GMT

In article <9204131503.AA22417@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>
>
>I say it's half-way for TNG because there were such stinkers as "Skin of
>Evil", "Neutral Zone", "The Outcast", "Too Short a Season", "Lonely Among
>Us", "Samaritan Snare", "Haven", and "Justice".

Well, I agree about NZ, OUTCAST and JUSTICE. I rather liked LONELY --
it remains eminently weird but it got pretty good near the end and
that comic twist at the end had going "huh?" 

I haven't seen the other episodes on your list.


>That's just a few of the TNG eps that I think have been worse (by far) 
>than the season opener.  

I can name quite a few more: NEW GROUND, BOBW II, REDEMPTION II, 
UNIFICATION I & II, CONUNDRUM, POWER PLAY and A MATTER OF TIME, just for
starters.


>EaF had a few things that grated on me (Troi
>saying nothing but "The paaaain... I sense paaaaain... i'm a paaaain..."
>and Picard's annoying smugness) but there were a few things that were
>WORSE for the rest of the season 
>
>(all eps of season one except EaF have
>Troi with her hait in an unattractive bun, Troi shows off her legs a
>bit in EaF (okay, so I'm a chauvinist), EaF had some neat effects that
>were unmatched throughout the season, etc.)

This strikes me as an inordinately shallow list of criteria. Whatever
happened to plotting, writing, character development, acting? Sigh...


>
>| your choice of "Doomsday Machine" also baffles me. I don't like this
>| one as much as some, and I think the model shots of the Space Log dwarfing 
>|the
>| E, then matching it in size, etc., are pathetic, but there's still a good 
>|bit
>| of humor and tension in that episode.
>
>I musta missed the humor.

Obviously.


>The only thing missing was Troi screaming "the paaaaain..."
>
>I really do find it painful to watch DM.   When Decker  starts drooling and
>spitting on the cast members as he utters (with no sense of  acting at all)
>"it had a maw that could swallow a dozen  (or was  it thousand) starships!"

That wasn't his best moment on the show. But once he gets on the Big E,
he does fine by me.

>(as we see a shuttle that looks larger  than the  stone carrot),  

Another microscopic complaint, IMO.



>| Singling out "EaF" as an average TNG is a slap in the face,
>
>Not when I can name 50 episodes of TNG that were worse...

I don't know about *50*, but EaF feels a little above average to me.



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   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar. 28 - Apr. 3
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Subject: oops
From: litt@wittenberg.edu
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:17:08 -0400
Organization: Wittenberg University

I stand corrected - Spock's World must have been before Doctor's Orders.
Please forgive me - Time looses meaning during the summers.
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From: ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek's Classics - TOP 10 LIST
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:08:54 GMT
Distribution: dal
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

>Actually...when STII:TWOK was released Leonard Nimoy did not plan to make
>any more Star Trek movies.  Spock was REALLY suppose to be dead and stay
>dead.  When Nimoy was convinced to come back and make STIII:TSFS, scenes
>were added to the original version of STII:TWOK...or rather certain scenes
>were altered.  Remember when McCoy tries to stop Spock...well, when STII
>was released all Spock did was administer the nerve pinch to McCoy.  The
>altered scene has Spock using the mind-touch to give his katra to McCoy
>["REMEMBER..." Spock says] as he eases his unconscious friend to the floor.

>===========================================================================
>Tracy A. Freeling
>Department of Petroleum & Natural Gas Engineering
>Pennsylvania State University
>Internet:  TAF102@psuvm.psu.edu,tracy@pngrt.pnge.psu.edu


Yes, you're absolutely right... the movie relese of STII:TWOK did not have 
Spock transferring his Katra to Bones -- there were a couple of other 
changes too, but the last time I saw THAT version of STII:TWOK was in 1982,
so I can't remember. The thing that annoys me about STII:TWOK is the fact 
that the video version has so much cut out of it -- Peter Preston is never
introduced as Scotty's nephew, for instance... very bad editing of the
movie -- I still consider it the best of the movies (with VI a close
second), but it's the movie that's fared the worst in the transition from the
big-screen to video.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:3013 rec.arts.startrek.current:4622 comp.sys.mac.hypercard:1811
From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (From A to B)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current,comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Announcing the Star Trek-TNG Episode Guide stack
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:02:02 GMT
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
> You should see the latest version of Windows 3.1.  Except for the 3-D
> widgets, and the fact that most things are done with double-clicks,
> instead of single clicks, it is identical to the Mac.

Oh, and except for the eight-letter filenames.  Except for the fact that
Windows 3.1 will only support a single monitor.  Except for the garish
colours vomited all over the screen whether you want them or not.  Except for
the lack of a Finder.  Except for aliases.  Except for file information.
Except for automatic swapping of disks.  Except for painless installation and
de-installation of fonts and accessories.  Yeah, apart from all that it's
JUST like the Mac...

> (from a happy, happy user of DESQview, which runs for weeks at a time,
> uninterrupted, without crashing, and does lots more than Windows ever
> thought about doing

Like giving me 622KB in a DOS shell?  No, I thought not.  Take it to
alt.religion.computers.


mathew

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jpdought@rodan.acs.syr.edu (James P. Doughty)
Subject: Re: What would YOU like to see a Galaxy class ship named?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 15:20:01 EDT

In article <1992Apr5.024110.29504@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@isis.cs.du.edu (Christopher Meadows) writes:
>>>Why hasn't there been much about fighter combat in the series?  It seem
>
>Those ships Nova Squadron was training in looked a heck of a lot like 
>fighters to me...In fact, they resembled something out of "Wing Comman-
>der.  What do you suppose the point of training with them would be if the
>Federation never used them?

Those Federation ships that got waxed near Saturn in BoBW2 looked an awful lot
like fighters to me... I don't have a tape to refer to, but they might have
even been the *same* ships used for Nova Squadron in First Duty.

********************* Jim Doughty at Syracuse University ************************                jpdought@sunrise.acs.syr.edu / (315) 442-6938                 *
* "Children are like television sets.  When they start acting weird, just      **  whack them across the eyes with a big rubber basketball shoe." -Dr. HST     *********************************************************************************
From: judy.ranelli@matrix.sbs.com (Judy Ranelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: 10 Forward windows...
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: judy.ranelli@matrix.sbs.com (Judy Ranelli)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

-> Gee, Mike, I hope you never have to transport claustrophobic whales.
-> As a rule, I generally like to have windows, too.
->
-> Besides, Kirk & co. couldn't have looked at them in the holding tank
-> if it had been made of steel.

But here's another YATI: Whales have to BREATHE. How could they in a
tank full of water? They didn't mention "breathing space".

judy
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TOS Pocket Books' Guide (ASCII version)
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:19:06 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Alan, this list is for the *Pocket Books* Trek Novels. This does not
include any of the previously releaved episode adaptions, etc by James
Blish, and since he has passed away, the only way he may be included is if
the compilations of his work are listed by the keeper of this list...

Dave
From: bh@eng.auburn.edu (Brian Hartsfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: preponderance of humanoids
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:11:33 GMT
Reply-To: bhartsfiel@lps3net.ksc.nasa.gov
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article <odvOVo200WCTA19WF=@andrew.cmu.edu> tp1l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas W. Pope) writes:
>
>  Has a canon (or even non-canon) explanation been given for the
>plethora of humanoid, english speaking aliens in the Star Trek
>universe.  It seems that most of the aliens we meet look  like humans
>with funny faces (wrinkled noses, big ears, etc...)  They also have an
>annoying tendency to speak perfect english with a slight Midwestern
>accent...  
>  Is there a reasonable explanation for this, or is it just a matter
>of cost effectiveness?  

I can;t answer on the humanoid part, excepf for the fact that it costs money
and you still have to put human actors into the costumes.

The English-speaking part can be explained.  They arn't speaking
English.  It is just being translated by the universal translater (why
the viewscreen therefore doesn't look like a badly dubbed oriental
movie tranlated into english I don't know.  Their mouths look like
they are speaking English, but suposibly they arn't and it is just being
translated)
>
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> |Internet: tp1l@andrew.cmu.edu| people...  Guns just make them go really |
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Announcing the Star Trek-TNG Episode Guide stack
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.155701.23083@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:

>
>Hello!!  McFly!!! Anyone home?!
>
>This thread has wandered far beyond what could by any stretch of the
>imagination be considered "Star Trek".
>
>Anyone who feels they must follow up, PLEASE remove the startrek
>groups from the first line!

And remove the hypercard group as well please?

--Eric
"Get a long life and prosper"
From: npg@cns.umist.ac.uk (Neil Perret-Green)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The "Homeworld"
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:21:46 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

tommy@netlink.cts.com (Tom Williams) writes:
>According to the various TOS (and some TNG) novels (of which I am missing 
>only the most recent), the Klingon's home world is Klinzhai.

I was under the impression that STVI had named the Klingon homeworld
as "Kronos".
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:43:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.194044.470@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>
>Hey, in "Cause and Effect", it was *36* seconds to a particular critical
>event.  Twice 18.  :-)

One of the most frequently used numbers is '4077'.  As Okuda is a M*A*S*H fan,
it can be found on almost every panel or computer display.


-- 
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: r.a.s.* in the Net as a Whole
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:16:00 GMT

rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>Here's some news, folks.  The startrek hierarchy is once again up in
>the top volume newsgroups list.  See:

>>From news.lists Thu Apr  9 14:18:52 1992
>>Subject: Top 25 News Groups for the last 2 weeks
>>
>>         No. of        $ Cost  % of  Cumulative
>>Rank  Kbytes Articles per Site Total  % of Total  Group (Articles/contributor)
>>  24  2171.7    1213      5.73  0.5%    27.0%     rec.arts.startrek.current (2.9)

I was waiting for this.  It's not good news.

On the one hand, there is something of a "special case" here, because the
last three shows to date (i.e. the three covered in this fortnight mentioned
above) are all ones that sparked an inordinate amount of discussion:  "The
Outcast" for sociological reasons, "Cause and Effect" because so many people
thought it magnificent and because of the rather inscrutable time travel
questions raised, and "The First Duty" by reason of being a rare Wes show.

On the other hand, it also shows people are possibly being sloppy about
moving things to .misc.  Let's all try to do a bit better on that if possible.
(I can already hear the "yes, mommy"'s...)

Tim Lynch
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