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Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:24:07 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov11.104714.1@dac.mdcbbs.com> asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:
>> 
>> Then again, weren't you and others applauding the poster who told me
>> that I ought to watch out for my wife, lest she be swept off her feet by
>> someone with a four-on-the-floor? Now you tell me, what qualities are
>> inherantly those of clutch-lovers, that would make them attractive
>> to intelligent women?
>
>  Ok I AM the guy who said that.  Far be it from me to tell you what is
>  attractive to the female species.  You sound so reasonable its actually
>  quite amusing.  This is the sort of argument that goes like: "Well if I 
>  have to dress nice to impress her then she is not worth my time, she 
>  should like me the way I am."  

OK so there are women out their who are influenced purely by the size and 
polish of your car.  I doubt if those women care what type of gearbox it has
as long as it cost big dollars.  The problem with having a sports car is that
you may actually attract this type of woman.  Now what happens.

"Take me for a ride in your shiney car big boy."
"OK (heh heh)"
"No - don't take the roof down it'll spoil my hair do"
"*!*(%##$^!@*"

Personally i'd rather find a girl with a mind who knows how to double 
de-clutch, appreciates fine machinery, enjoys the wind in her hair, laughs
at my jokes and won't leave me for someone with a shinier car.  If she can
sing and play a musical instrument all the better.

If there are any in the Auckland area phone...     Ooops wrong newsgroup.

>  The reason
>  for the remark is that it doesnt matter what YOUR definition is but it does
>  matter what the woman in your life thinks right?  

She probably thinks he's cute,  loves him dearly and wouldn't leave him 
just for someone elses car.

>  Even intelligent women like 
>  excitement and that is what all the flamer against you are talking about
>  EXCITEMENT.  Since you wish to remain uninitiated and are married I wish
>  you good life and let us end this battle.  

In my experience the intelligent women who like excitement and enjoy sports
cars buy their own and don't need to hook up with guys in chest wigs and 
medallians to get their enjoyment.  


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From: uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ford Crown Vic Police Package
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:04:21 GMT

I just saw this in an "all Ford" magazine and found it pretty amazing.
It showed a picture of a CHP Crown Vic, fully decked out in CHP trim, with
a Paxton Supercharger installed on it.  The car is the Old style Crown Vic,
not the new one, so it had a 351W engine in it.  The amazing thing is, the
article said that before the supercharger was installed, the Crown Vic
took 16.6 (!) seconds to hit 60mph.  What a joke!  Even after the blower
was installed, the car still took like 9.9 seconds to go 0-60.  In my mind,
that's pretty pathetic.  How can Ford sell such a product designed for
law enforcement with such horrible performance?  

Oh well, sorry to all you Ford fans, I guess I just had to go off on that one,
considering the type of car I drive (and its FAR superior performance :)

BTW, the article said that 250 Crown Vics would get superchargers installed
on them.  Not that I'm worried, I'm not stupid enough to try and run from the
cops.  (Even though a Paxton-equipped Crown Vic could at best only keep up
with me:)

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From: dwargo@cs.ucsd.edu (Dave Wargo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Electric Vehicles
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:30:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCSD


Is there a news group for electric autos.  

I just came from Westcom and there were a dozen machines there that
looked pretty interesting.

Thanks

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Who's gotta Low Rider?   
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:48:04 GMT

the following came to my email, but should have gone to the net:


In article <1992Nov19.221045.13310@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> you write:
>In article <17051@umd5.umd.edu> ui68@linus.umd.edu (Bill Kyte) writes:
>>
>>
>>	Hey how's everyone doing out there in net world?  I'm lookin' for 
>>people who are ridin' around town with their bottoms chafein.  I know someone
>>out there has gotta have the same love of lowered vehicles that I have.  So
>>lets gets some conversations goin'.  Just respond to alt.autos.rod-n-custom.
>						      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>							   |
>						      I can't get to you
>
>>  This news group is to include customs and those Muscle cars. I just wanna
>> hereabout the lowered minis and cars, but if you have intersts in customizing
>>  vehicles please feel free to respond. 

 I have a car that could fit all those groups:lowered, custom, and muscle  
 a 1979 Trans Am, Crager solid chrome rims, side pipes, air shocks, traction

 bars, and with different size tires it gives it a tough lowered look!


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:14:28 GMT

> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

>>Now, a car engine has an operating range of someting on the order of 600
>>rpm up to 4500-6500 rpm, depending on the engine. So, if the designers
>>designed a car alternator like an aircraft alternator, the alternator would
>>spin too fast at the high end of enigne speeds. This can lead to arcing in
>>the alternator, mechanical failure, and other problems. So, the alternator
>>must be made to turn slower at idle speed. This is why car alternators
>>(like mine) do not put out much power at idle speeds, especially if any
>>accessories are being used (rear defroster, A/C, etc). 
>>
>   Most idle speeds are in the 200 range.  And 7000 doesn't hurt it
>   a bit.

I meant that the operating speed of the engine is about 600 to 5000 rpm.
Not the alternator. Besides, I don`t know about your car, but my alternator
pulley is smaller than the crank pulley that drives it. This means that the
alternator is actually turning faster than the engine. I would say that the
alternator pulley is about 1/3 the size of the crank pulley on my car, so
that means that the operating speeds of the alternator vary from about 1800
to about 15000 rpm. So I cannot figure where you get the 200 rpm from.

Perhaps you could enlighten me??
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: leggett@cernapo.cern.ch (Charles Leggett )
Subject: Problem Diagnosis Needed
Keywords: help
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:07:13 GMT

Maybe some of you car gurus can help me with this one. I have an 85 Peugeot 
309 (for those not familiar with it, basically a 4 cylinder 1.6 l clunker), 
which has the following problem: on rainy days, the car hesitates and 
shudders at low RPM. Once or twice it was really bad - the car was shaking 
a LOT, and when I stopped at a light it stalled. That time it would stall 
whenever I let it idle. At higher RMP it is not nearly as noticeable, but 
you can still feel it from time to time. On dry days, it runs without a 
hitch. I'm guessing that it is either an electrical problem, or that somehow 
water is getting into the gas. I've replaced the plugs and the distributor
cap (they needed it), and the cables from the distributor to the plugs are 
fine. Has anyone had similar problems? If it is water getting into the fuel,
any ideas on how to trace where the leak is coming from?

		thanks in advance...


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From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:45:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Gatorback tires
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Hi Ron,

  I have an '85 Dodge Daytona Turbo that came with Goodyear Eagle GTs which
also are very good tires just not quite as high a speed rating as the Good-
year Gatorbacks.  They also seemed a bit expensive to replace so I tried
the Dunlop Qualifiers instead and have been very pleased with them.  If you
aren't inclined toward maniacal flailing of the car, these are worth      
considering.  Their handling is quite good, they aren't especially noisey, 
and the price is around $100 each depending upon where you shop. 

  I think they have about 42K miles on them and they're about due for 
replacement now--but then again the car is for sale so why bother?  Do you
know anyone in the North Bay Area (San Francisco) that needs a fun car-cheap?!
I just bought another car and three is one too many so the Dodge goes...

  'talk to you later,
         Gary

  
  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:04:45 GMT

I don't get annoyed with the speed limit during the rush/busy
hours of the day.  however, it kills me when I'm in the middle
of nowhere, no cars around, at 10:00pm, and I still have to do
55 mph.  I think that they should have certain highways raised their
speed limits during the non-busy hours.

I'd vote for 90 mph between 9:00pm and 5:00am no trucks
included. On weekends the schedule may be different.


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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO WAGON -- Again
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:45:12 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov20.194242.14016@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 
bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
> But for the Registry to get a new wagon and install the guts and glory
> from a totalled auto-SHO sedan seems like pure folly to me (without having
> read the Registry article).  Well, maybe I'm missing something.  Remember
> that Ford had to move the Yamaha so they could mate it with the AXOD?
> That took years!  How is the Registry gonna get a vanilla wagon and just
> drop in the stuff that dreams are made of?  Does that mean that regular
> Taurii, including wagons, share the auto-SHO chassis?  I don't know,
> but I doubt it.  Does anyone know?  Seems to me that it would be easier
> to get a '93 SHO automatic sedan and a front-end totalled '93 wagon and
> cut the pieces of the wagon and paste them to the sedan, if ya know
> what I mean.  Why waste time moving engines and firewalls and stuff
> when you can glue panels and rework suspension systems?  I don't know.
> It's obvious there's more to it than that, probably the unibody problems.
> 
> And BTW, is the Registry somehow employing engineers, or what?  Are
> they SVO wanna-bes?


I just re-read the article.  They purchased a 1990 Wagon, and I don't have
permission to quote the article but the jist of it is:

They plan to find a '93 SHO rollover with a 3.2 liter engine and auto 
tranny, and then transplant the powertrain into the wagon.

I don't know, maybe at $35 per member per year they can afford the
engineering.  i think they are fairly tight with SVO since a column
is written by SVO engineers every newsletter, so maybe they have some
advice from them?

BTW they say they put a set of '89 SHO wheels on it with V-rated tires.

Beats me.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Cadillacs (WAS: INFFINITI vs BMW)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.092657.14420@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>In article <Bxy87p.I2A@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>|> 	The Caddy.  295hp 21mpg hwy 150mph top end and ragtop all for <$64K
>|> according to MT.  And, please, can we start comparing cars that have 
>|> Try the Allante vs. MB300SL or JagXJ-S cabriolet.  (BTW, C/D tried this, and,
>|> much to their surprise, the Caddy won) 
>
>CAR (J.K. Setright) did a sort of test of the Northstar equipped Allante, his closing
>sentence was something like "on the face of it the Allante competes with the Jag XJS
>and the Mercedes 300SL, on reflection it does nothing of the sort!". He was not
>exactly enamoured of the car in the rest of the article either.
>
>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

	Never read CAR.  How do they do there evals?  Is it just one person
doing the test?  That would be fairly bad.  (I'm not saying that they do, but
just wondering.)  The C/D article I refered to came out in summer '92, and
is very good reading...


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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:55:08 GMT

I guess I have to reiterate, I never said CU was perfect. I think
however that they do provide usewful information about cars.

For example, in their comparisons of 4 wheel drive systems
used on each of the 4 SUVs was that good info?

I'd venture most if not all the mags can be ragged on, I've even
told eliot that I could criticize CU myself. 


However, a lot of what they say can be valuable, especially 
when you take away the typical bias against CU.

If your idea of HOw they use the family sedan model is ture
then how could they ever reccommend an SUV or a sports car?

Oddly enough, they like the Grand Cherokee more than the
other SUV's even the Japanese!

john
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: Petty's numbers
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:25:14 GMT

jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:

>With all I've been reading about the Petty's family race car numbers was it
>just lucky that Kyle got to race #42 Mellow Yellow because I an old race car
>(matchbox), It was the 42 Mellow Yellow exactly like Kyle's but it was being
>drive by Bobby Hillin. I thought because Richard drove #43 and his uncle (I
>believe) drove #44 that Kyle wanted #42.

Er, your Petty lore's a little confused.  Lee Petty, Richard's father,
drove #42.  As Allan Girdler tells it, when Richard starting driving,
he wanted to turn it around and use #24, but that was taken, so he
took the next number in sequence.  Kyle did drive his first few races
with #44, and he wanted that number when he signed on full-time with
the Wood Bros., but at that time Billy Hagen was using #44.  #42 was
available, so they took that.  (They later switched back to the Woods'
traditional number, #21.)  When Kyle went to drive for Sabates, they
took #42 again.

It's interesting that the Matchbox you have has Bobby Hillin's name
on it.  (or did I read that right?  anyway...)  Kyle is the only
full-time driver Sabates has ever had, but Hillin started a few
races for them in 1992 while Kyle mended a busted leg that he got
at Talledega.

Trivia quiz: I found an interesting photo in an old copy of _Circle
Track_ last week.  It was the Mello Yello car, but it had #51 and
the front air dam said "LUMINA" across the front.  What was this?
(answer follows...)

It was one of the "Days of Thunder" movie cars.  At the 1990 Daytona
500, some film was shot for the movie, and for the purpose, Rick
Hendrick had built several cars with phony sponsorships.  These
cars were allowed to run on and off during the race (they weren't
scored, of course).  With Greg Sacks driving, they would go out,
take a few laps, maybe dice with a backmarker or two, and then 
come back in.  Then, Greg would get in another car, go out, take
a few laps, and so on.  Coca-Cola had been talked into putting
its Mello Yello brand on one of the cars to make it look more
realistic (for a small fee, of course.)  They got so much publicity
from the resulting movie exposure that they decided to go racing
for real, and that's how the Sabates deal happened.  Art imitates
life, huh?

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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Yet more trivia from Autosport (Answers -- finally!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:38:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: uacsc2.168A1EA09.GR743
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

>>damn helicopter crash. Can anyone confirm/wet this? gfg
>>
>>
>
>Gabriele,
>Graham Hill died in a light plane (i.e., small private job) along with Carlos
>Pace.  I believed that they were returning from or going to a test session
>(where I don't remember, might have been Argentina or Brazil?).  I believe
>that Graham was the pilot at that time.  I will try to dig up my notes when
>I get home tonight.
>Kent M. McClure
With all due respect, historical metaphors are getting
terribly mixed here.
 
Graham Hill and his protege Tony Brise, along with
several crew members from the Embassy Hill F1 team
were killed in a plane crash in England returning
from a post-season test session. G. Hill was piloting
the plane which, as I recall, missed a landing
approach in the fog.
 
Brazilian Carlos Pace was killed in a seperate
incident in Brazil; it may well have been a
plane crash, though for some reason attributable
to failing memory I thought he had drowned, not
that it matters much in the final analysis.
 
Why oh why did AUTOSPORT have to introduce such
a morbid topic.
 
Greg Rickes
 
 
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Andretti
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: F1, Indy, American
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:31 EST  

In article <1992Nov18.135930.18462@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, 
garr@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (guido.a.rijo) writes...

>Someone else mentioned that Mario was born in Italy. I just want
>to mention that you don't have to be born in the USA to be an American,
>I am a living example.

Does that mean that if Mansell lives in Clearwater, FL, then he is American 
and not British?

JD
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: BMW quits the GTCC
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:50:54 GMT

In <1992Nov11.215458.7550@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:

>In the referenced article, ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
>>In <1992Nov4.142601.5243@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:

>This leaves Mercedes and Alfa committed to the championship.
>Opel won't decide for another month or so.  If Opel pulls out,
>the feeling is that the GTCC will cease to be, as it may do
>even if they do decide to compete.

I have just read (in Auto Action and in AutoSport) that Joest (of Porsche
fame) will be running the factory Opel Calibras in next years championship,
with Keke Rosberg as lead driver.  The agreement between Joest and GM will
be "formerly announced next month".

What engine would Opel be using in the Calibra?  I assume they will be using
the 4WD version of the car, but don't '93 GTCC cars use 2.5ltr 6 cyl. engines
*only* ?  Doesn't the Calibra have a 2ltr 4cyl engine (turbo and not)?

Maybe next year we will have more discussion in r.a.s of touring car racing
than we did this year.  It looks as though it will be very interesting,
with the BTCC, GTCC, Italian TCC, French Series, Japanese 2-ltr Series and,
the major one, the Australian TCC.

What fun !!!!!!

Doigman.
did this year

Doigman.
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From: narem-james@cs.yale.edu (James E. Narem Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Info on Rumford Maine forest rally?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:32:20 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: austen.systemsy.cs.yale.edu
Keywords: wild, woods, rally

  Does anyone have spectating information for the SCCA pro-rally that
is being run up in rumford maine in early december?

  We've never been to one of these; any hints?

  Send mail, will summarize.

      ..........jim (Narem@cs.yale.edu, decvax!yale!narem, Narem@YaleCS.BITNET)