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From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Let's Use Some Hindsight
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:57:50 GMT

Dear Brother SM Shah,	

I could not agree more...division on Indian subcontinent was an
imperialist "mischief". When I was little there was pupolar song	
which went "Bei-iman Firengi Pakistan Banaga" (Mischievious Imperialists
Created Pakistan...").

People have to learn to live with each other no matter what religion
Perhaps India should adopt "UN Human Rights Charter".

J.Singh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.karnataka,soc.culture.tamil
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: Rig Veda and the Beginning of Time
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:33:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.002735.21430@odin.corp.sgi.com> murgesh@entropy.esd.sgi.com (Murgesh Navar) writes:
>Rig veda :( ~ 1500 BC)
>
>        Then there was neither being nor non-being:
>        There was no air, nor firmament beyond it.
>        Was there a stirring ? Where ? Beneath what cover ?
>        Was there a great abyss of unplumbed water ?
>
>        There was no death nor anything immortal;
>        Nor any sign dividing day from night.
>        That One thing, in the stillness, breathed quiescent;
>        No second thing existed whatsoever.
>
>        Darkness was hidden in a deeper darkness;
>        This All was as a sea without dimensions;
>        The void still held unformed what was potential,
>        Until the power of Warmth produced the sole One...
>
>        Who truly knows, and who can here declare it ?
>        Whence it was born, and how this world was fashioned ?
>        The gods came later than the earths creation:
>        Who knows then out of what the world has issued ?
>
>        Whatever he made the world or did not make it,
>        He knows whence this creation came, he only
>        Who in the highest heavens guards and watches;
>        He knows indeed, but then, perhaps, he knows not!
>

1] I rarely quote an entire article, but this really was nice.
   I have always believed that the vedas were works of serious
   philosophy and exist without reference to anything but a formless
   God.

   I think the essence of the timelessness of the vedas is contained
   in the attempt to reach a self-consistent explanation of existence
   without endowing God with human attributes, and without starting
   with God as an axiom. 

   I personally feel the elegance of its description and the awe and
   sense of wonder for the universe , that seems to pervade it
   very poetic. One senses a certain authority, a stamp of genius,
   a vision so broad that it belittles the long list of people who 
   found it neccessary to see God as axiom and God in their own image.

   Isnt it kind of sad that from such great beginnings, we have come 
   to killing people in the streets in the name of God, and proclaiming
   death to blasphemers ?

2] Stay Cool.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42353 soc.culture.tamil:4737
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: s.c.tamil is quoted in 50 articles in s.c.indian!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:16:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:

>Considering that hardly any article in s.c.tamil talks about
>the conduct of other newsgroups, this is a great honour to
>s.c.tamil: recognition of its importance, concern for its "quality".

does the count include your article? if it does, you are just inflating
the numbers, aren't you?

while you are at it, add mine to the count!

next time don't bother giving us counts and figures, anyone
who wants to know the why/what/how/when... of s.c.t. will
read it anyway, right! everybody can do without the holier-than-thou
attitude!

-anant
Newsgroups: purdue.forsale,soc.culture.indian
From: mahadev@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Vadali Mahadev)
Subject: 1 BR in a 2 BR apt for sublease...
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:08:12 GMT




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Contact:
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Please leave a message, and I will get back to you...
Thanks
Mahadev


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42614 soc.culture.bangladesh:7264 alt.config:8251
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:24:23 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

>       (Arindam Ghosh the great "magibaaz" shall complete the rest. It is
>        *moral* duty, as, he is from RK Hall, IIT KGP. 8-)).
>
>      Happy New Year,
>
>     - deb chatterjee
>    (a good samaritan)
Blasphemy, Nehru Hall. Down with New Campus.
However, I guess you will not find much support for the other insinuation
if you ask anybody who knows me.
Arindam
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Goduram's spluttering
Date: 27 Dec 1992 13:27:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


>chronic name-calling) all that emerges is that you have avoided direct
>accusations of (dreamed-up) fanaticism..

	Hey Ruchira darling,
	I see you did not understand the meanings of some of those words (not
	that I'm surprised :). I have clearly said, "Give me a perverted 
	allegation that I'm a secularist ("pseudo", at that :) and I'll 
	give you a fanatic Godura". Does that make it clear to your rustic, 
	bovine brain?


>Shows your mind is capable of logical thought.
>Maybe there is hope for generations of Fafats (shudder) to come. :-)

	So you finally decided to rent a mind which can think, hein? :)


>Good luck.
>Ruchir.

	To you too. And a Happy New Year. :)

	FFT

ps: Maybe we can have some more fun when you're free from your Nobel-research
:). 





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Subject: Re: Shnakaracharyas, And Their Outlook. Also Treatment Of Widows.
Reply-To: armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:28:15 GMT

In article <C035wr.IH9@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>In article <1hsnpiINN5r@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>>they feel that since they are going to die there, what's the need. The same
>>people instead, are willing to spend crores of rupees in Tirupati, which is
>>more a Commercial venture, than a place of pilgrimage now.  The  crass type 
>>of greedy commercialism seen there in Tirupati,  leaves one in utter shame,
>>of the lopsided priorities that people have.
>>
>>Ponder over these points, and try to find an answer to them.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Vivek.
>>
>>
>
>Noop, Tirupathi is not a commercial venture. Because on an average about
>100000 people visit the temple every day, the TTD has to meet the obligatory
>facilities requirements of the Temple town. As a result there is a problem
>of overcrowding and catering to the needs of the piligrims. This leads
>one to think that he doesn't have the peace of mind and the silence 
>necessary for it. 
>
>I have not seen anything greedy about the town; do you mean to say
>the people are greedy! All around the world people are greedy! Thats
>what brings us to USA.
>...kt
______________________________________________________________________
Kuram,

You completely missed Viveks point....At the Tirupathi Temple devotees
offer Millions of Rupees as donations, which I do believe is also used for
good purpose...such as schools, hospitals etc.  However the plight of
widows has in no way changed as it is a religious stigma and needs to be
reformed.  Anyway Tirupathi temple in IMHO is a commercial venture....if
you have the big bucks you get to meet the pujari...who will pray for you a
sort of a broker for god.  If you don't have the bucks you stand in the
line and you will be lucky if you get anywhere near the pujari.  Last,
haven't you heard about "Tirupathi Chowra" (Tirupathi head Shave) where the
barbers outside the temple hassle you to get the head shave, well, they
shave half your head and then leave for the next customer.....and come back
to you after a while!!!  Inside the temple the pujaris do the rest by
shaving your pocketbook.

Bye!!!

Arvind Mallya 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Hindus Resume Prayers in Ayodhya Shrine 
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:35:36 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Keywords: Ayodhya Prayers

apnews reports:
	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Jubilant Hindu devotees, watched by
armed troops, resumed prayers today at a disputed shrine in
northern India after a court ordered the government to allow the
rites.
	   Authorities had stopped prayers to avoid Hindu-Muslim clashes at
the site in Ayodhya, 310 miles east of New Delhi. Hindu militants
tore down a mosque there on Dec. 6 and erected a makeshift temple,
setting off nationwide riots that killed 1,200 people.
	   Prayers were suspended Tuesday after Muslims threatened to march
to the site to pray. About 200 Muslims fought with police on
Thursday.
	   Three Hindu religious groups challenged the ban. On Friday, a
court ruled that Hindus had the right to pray, but said the
authorities could regulate access to the site to maintain order.
	   Today, about 60 saffron-robed ascetics and small groups of
devotees blew conch shells and chanted hymns in front of the
canopied temple, Press Trust of India reported.
	   They were among 90 holy men who had refused food for four days
to protest the prayer ban.
	   Many Hindus believe Mogul invaders built the mosque on the ruins
of an earlier temple marking the traditional birthplace of
warrior-god Rama. Both communities have been locked in a
decades-old legal battle over ownership of the site.
	   Muslim leaders have demanded the immediate reconstruction of the
mosque. Hindu radical groups want to build a grand temple there.
	   The government has proposed taking over about 100 acres of land
around the disputed shrine and setting up independent trusts to
build a temple and a mosque.
	   The plan has satisfied neither Hindus nor Muslims.
	   India's Muslims number 120 million, 12 percent of the nation's
875 million people. Hindus account for 82 percent.
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Import/Export Research
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:48:39 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to or from India? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: JINNAH
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:47:17 GMT

an4329@anon.penet.fi writes:

>X-Anon-To:soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan

>On 25th Dec. two persons were born :


>        1) Jesus Christ : Son Of God
>        2) Jinnah       : Son Of a Bitch .

>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

	WAH WAH BHAI MAZAA AA GAYA .
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: test
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:03:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Manish Mehta writes:
>In many days our great the Doki has not appeared on the net.
>I think he was grounded in the recent riots..

	aa bail, muzhe maar... :) 





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOC.CULTURE.PUNJAB-NOT! soc.culture.panjab(i)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:43:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Dec21.190757.4973@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> swami1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (swaminathan,kashi r) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.150147.28905@news.clarkson.edu> rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor) writes:
>>
>>Why not rec.humor ...?
>>
>>
>>Kapoor
>>
>>( No offense, please...)
>>


>That's not humourous.

>I fully support soc.culture.punjab. They have a distinct culture,
>but I would prefer if it is also under the soc.culture.indian as
>soc.culture.indian.punjab. It would be less controversial that way.

You're definitely missing something here. Where does Pakistani Panjab fit in ?

Peace
						tariq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:01:44 GMT

(Akash R. Deshpande) writes:
>(Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>
>>The very name of Kant and the daunting names of his books have
>>for long stopped me from even attempting to read these books.
>>But when I picked up the book recently it proved to be very
>>clear and well-reasoned. (I am still to complete it.) I recommend
>>this book very highly.
>
>Ya, ya, I have read Kant, Hegel, Spinoza, and a whole bunch of others
>including ZMM, Tao, etc. Its only mental gymnastics, what in
>Marathi is called Vai.Mai. They have little to say, so far
>as I am concerned. The latter class gets off the ground,
>but can't fly. No revealing insight.
>Read, rather, Whitman, Blake, Emerson, Wordsworth, Shelley, Frost, etc.,
>if you are into Western stuff. 

Oh, learned one! Thou hast mastered all the epics and the classics.

You know so much that you dwarf us amateur philosophers. But then
you are a learned man.

You may call Kant and Hegel and others an assortment of fluff masters.
We shall defer to you, for you are the learned one!

You may look at us pigmies with a condescending eye. You cannot be
faulted, oh master, for you are the learned one!

You deign to show us the path of bliss and salvation on this sci
net. We shall with utmost care follow your every word, for you
are the learned one!

And in conclusion, we apologize for questioning your infinite 
wisdom and your bottomless pit of knowledge. For we know but little
as we are underlings.

Satya Prabhakar
--
______________________________________________________________
Tell me what you pay attention to and I will tell you who you are!
					-Ortega Y' Gasset
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Mustafa
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.072438.18248@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp> f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:
>I really felt that he has real power. He started
>a real good topic. Difference between man and animal.
>
>bad words. I wish I complain to all your ADMINS.
> 
>SUPRATIC GUPTA

Ahh, once again the cry for censorship rises from SCI like a foul stench from
an open latrine.  This time SUPRATIC GUPTA (note the arrogance of the sig)
joins the other insanitary ones, Aayush Asthana and Lakinder Walia in releasing
this putrid miasma, causing us all to hold our breaths.

Perhaps you should all change your diets to include "n" so that you can skip
the article that violates your virgin eyes.  "n" can also mean "no," in that
when uttered the "offender" will stop, and on the net you do have the control
to evade this abuse.  Those who post freely under the bill of rights are not
raping the sensitivities of Victorian nannies like yourself.  If you persist
in reading articles which traumatize your fragile emotions, then you bring
such misfortune on yourself, and, like any other irresponsible schoolboy, you
try to find a scapegoat for your self-abusive actions.

To refer to the original post, "the difference between man and animal," man
can analyze a situation and make an intelligent decision as to his actions.
Man can also accept the responsibility for his actions.  Can you do this
SUPRATIC GUPTA, or must you blame others for you nescience.  Are you a man or
a meek household pet?

Ed Crick
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: New newsgroup proposal : alt.culture.bengali
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:35:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



************************************************************************
This proposal is concurrently and simultaneously posted in alt.config
soc.culture.indian soc.culture.bangladesh and alt.culture.kerala
***********************************************************************

I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.

Why another newsgroup?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bengali is a language spoken by the inhabitants of Bangladesh and three states
of India, namely Assam, Tripura and West Bengal. Soc.culture.bangladesh as
it currently exists, is a newsgroup for discussing the national concerns of
the population of Bangladesh and is not devoted to the discussion of Bengali
culture. Soc.culture.indian is another newsgroup which concerns the cultural
needs of all the Indians, but does not adequately represent the individual
needs of every Indian language/culture. A precedent of alt.culture.bengali
can be cited in the creation of alt.culture.kerala, alt.culture.andhra and soc.
culture.tamil, which were discussed to discuss the various aspects of the culture of those states. 

Why alt. heirarchy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

While I have enough indication for the interest in this group, at this stage
I am cautious enough to propose the group in the alt. heirarchy. If the
popularity demands otherwise, I will be willing to go through the pains of
establishing a soc. heirarchy for the newsgroup. Also, since this newsgroup
is mainly to  discuss the aspect of the language more than the culture,
the alt. heirarchy is more appropriate than soc. heirarchy.

Draft charter of the newsgroup
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This new newsgroup is mainly intented to discuss:
(a) The structure and construction of Bengali language
(b) growth of Bengali language in post-independent India
(c) The literature of Bengali people
(d) The men of letters.
(e) Bengali language and transliteration.
(f) Dialects, deviants and schools within the language.
(g) Other art media that use Bengali language.
(h) Bengali cultural institutions
(i) Politics of power and the language.
(j) Any other topic of relative merit and interest.


I hope I will receive a favorable response.

- Bijoy Sagar

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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bengali culture for net.bhadraloks
Date: 29 Dec 1992 07:02:39 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

:-) :-)

>  (1) What is Bengali literature ? 

Grad students producing some crap

>
>  (2) How is Rahul Sankirtyan different from Saratchandra or Satinath Bhaduri ?
>

Sankirtyan has religion in his name

>  (3) In what class can you place Bhibhutibhusan Bandhopadhyay ?
>

The residentially handicapped Bihari

>  (4) How did Victoria Okampo influence Tagore ?
>

A case for sexual harrasment a la Anita Hill in the Indian Supreme Court
by the SCI readers

>  (5) What is the place of magical realism in Bengali literature ???
>

The realization that realism is actually magical

>  (6) Talking about culture, what exactly is Bengali culture ? Is it the 
>      " babu " culture or is it a sum-total of everything ? Rather how do
>      you define culture ? If Tagore was a Bengali, the why did he use the
>      piano to compose tunes to his songs ? (He used the traditional Bengali
>      instruments as a later addition.)
>

Piano is more costly.


>  (7) Is Debabrata Biswas a classical Rabindrasangeet singer ?
>
He never sang Rabindrasangeet as by definition Rabindrasangeet is what
Vishwabharati thinks it is.

>  (8) How about movies ? Did you read Satyajit's: Our Films, Their Films ???
>      Who influenced Ray to make movies in Bengali, and, in what year ?????
>
Deb Chatterjee in his previous birth

>  (9) What about contemporary Bengali literature ? Is it "apasanskriti" or
>      Ganasanskriti ?????? Why and why not ????
>
Hanuman Sanskriti

>  (10) Did you read the translated/ edited version of Jaydev's "Geetgovinda" ?
>       (I read the edited one, and, found it according to Ganashakti's
>        cultural-barometer - quite putrid. Should it be banned ???)
>

It may be redirected to Playboy

>  (11) In which dynasty did the teracotta culture (did you go to Bhirbhum and
>       Bankura) come to Bengal (Rahrbhum) ??? (tarashankar !!!)
>

The forgotten dynasty

>  (12) Why do you / or do you not think Bengali femails (8-)) are sexy ????
>

Because Deb told me so

>  (13) What is the main contribution of Jibonananda to Bengali poetry ???
>
To teach the poets how to die under a tram car

>  (14) Who is the only poet after Jibonananda, to write in no-rhyme style
>       and win accolades ????? (He was also a marxist. No, not Sukanta !!!)
>

Me, Me, Me !!!!!!!!!

>  (15) The CPI(M) party just managed to spend quite a lot of money in the
>       recent "Vidyasagar" divas !!!!! (It is Vidyasagar whom they ascribed
>       in 1969, along with the Naxalites, as spy of the British Imperialism.
>       What do you think of that ???)
>


Today's enemy is tomorrow's friend

Arindam