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From: garyk@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Gary Koerzendorfer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: info on SF area air quality easily available
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:45:27 GMT
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA

The [San Francisco] Bay Area Air Quality Management District provides an
800 number with a recording of that day's air quality index (numeric) and
a qualification (good, moderate, grim?), and the prediction for the following
day. Since I commute, I am going to start consulting the number and take
alternative transportation rather than filter the crud with my lungs.
The number is (800) 794-7664. That's == 800-794-SMOG :-(
From: matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:18:08 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>>
>>I don't want the automobile killed.  I love driving my
>>sports car.  But I don't think othe people should pay
>>for my milage - I should.  Stealing money from those who
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>use public transportation or ride bicycles to pay for
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>the roads I use is not an appropriate solution to road
>>construction and maintenance.

  What about the converse?

  What about places that use money received from bridge tolls to subsidize 
public transportation?  New York comes to mind.  Ahhh, I know it well.  Grew
up there and still have to go back to LI to visit my parents.  

  A major reason they keep rasining the tolls on all the bridges is so they
can pour more money into the subway systems in NY city.  Why should people who
have to drive their cars, because public transportation doesn't go where they
are going, have to pay for something they cannot use?

  What comes around goes around.

-Matth

  By the way, the bridges were paid off decades ago and maintenance for the 
bridges only uses up < 25% of what is collected by the toll revenue.

--
          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
   God created heaven and earth to grow barley and hops. Now he homebrews !-)  
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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: light/battery comparisons?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:22:11 GMT

In article <9644@cayman.COM> pgf@cayman.COM (Paul Fox) writes:
>I have a Cateye Turbo (I think), that I like a lot -- my partner needs
>a light -- Performance sells a 6W house brand that uses a gel-cell, and
>has a flashing tail-light (an excellent, idea, IMHO) for aoubt $90.
>Nashbar has a "MegaLight", for which they don't give wattage or battery
>type, for about $50.
  Ah but what do you need the light for?  When I am running my at 60W or
100W I find that I loose my night vision and that can blind me at times.
But 30W is nice.  Of course I am mainly concerned with being seen by cars
so I want something simular to the normal sorts of animals you meet on the
street (ie 4 wheeled mastidons).
  For off road riding you will find that the beam pattern matters a lot.
And I would reccomend at least 10W.  Homebrew systems can use halogen track
lights (or emergency lights) tractor spot lights.  Basically you need a gel
cell and or a stack of nicads.  To figure out how long they are going to 
last you look at the Amp-hour rating.
  ie  D cells @ 4Ah * 12V = 48Wh   (ie V * A = Watts)
     So you can power a 48 W lamp for 1 hour or a 24W lamp for 2 hours
Of course in the cold you will find that the batteries do not last as long
and/or may not work at all.
  As for the flashing tail-light.  I find them, completely, utterly usless.  I
can barely see them on a cyclist.  In fact I also think about as little about
the Cateye lamps.  They are not waterproff and can't take getting wet at all.
I sealed mine, added wires for recharging and then used it as a tail light.
3W to 5W is not bad for a tail light but its completly inadequate for a front
lamp.
  Alas, as in most conditions you have to spend lots of $$ to figure out what
works.  But if you have the batteries, some aluminum to machine a holder then
it only costs about $4 to $10 to use a car, tractor lamp and see how it goes.
  - Eric

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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:14:33 GMT

kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

>A nurse once told me that if I showed up at an emergency room with my normal
>resting heart rate of 40, there is a chance that the personnel might think
>that I was experiencing brachycardia (sp?), or abnormal low heart rate.  Don't
>know what they'd do about it though...

Probably stick you on a wind trainer and tell you to start peddling ;^)
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:31:38 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <g29m4xq.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>I'm certainly not wild about cars, but this society won't operate
>without them.

>I have tried for 25 years to get a job within a couple of miles
>of where I live. Except for one 2 year stint I have been unable to
>do so and the Silicon Valley employees live _very_ much further
>from where they work than my average.

That's because most US cities are built on a pattern derived from car
use. This is not so true of European cities. In 25 years I have always
lived less than 3 miles from my work, except for one interval of 8
miles. I've never owned a car because for most of my life, for most of
my urban journeys, it wasn't the fastest way of getting from A to B.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
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A friend and I have had similar problems with Nashbar wheels.
Burrs on spoke nipple holes penetrating rim tape and puncturing
the tube and rear wheel spokes breaking (less than a hundred miles
on the wheels when the problems began). Quality control on the wheel
building is obviously lacking.
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From: miked@phenos.physics.wisc.edu (Mike Doncheski)
Subject: Bike shops in Milwaukee
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:54:03 GMT

Hi!

    A friend and I are planning an otherwise boring trip to Milwaukee, and we'd 
like to salvage it as much as possible.  Can anyone send me the name(s) and  
address(es) of some good bike shops in Milwaukee?  Many thanks!

                                              Mike
                                              (Physicist on wheels)

                                              miked@phenos.physics.wisc.edu
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:24:06 GMT

|> Hmm. Intuitively I think of the leaning tower of Pisa and 2 black balls
|> falling side by side. The downward force (forget air effects) on the
|> heavier ball is greater, but the mass is too so the acceleration is the
|> same.

The "forget air effects" is a serious omission.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de (Kritt G.)
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:18:59 GMT

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Kritt writes:
>> I must admit, the only thing I know about them is they look great 8)...

>It's good to see that looking good is preferred at almost any price.

Pffft, why do you try to push me in that corner? If I was only concerned
about the look I wouldn't ask about adavantages and disadvantages. I didn't
even know about the price, I just saw a set at my local bike shop. I was
just curious about something that caught my eye. 

>What, I wonder, do you expect these wheels to do for your bicycling?
>They are heavier, have poorer braking for lack of cooling, make
>strange noises when going fast (whup whup whup...) and they are side
>wind sensitive.  To make up for it they cost more than twice what
>good durable wheels cost complete and ready to ride.  Then you get to
>put a freewheel and skewers on them.

That's exactly what I wanted to know! If this information is so fucking
obvious for you, please excuse my ignorance. I didn't know and I won't ask 
again...

Anyway, thanks for your help..

Kritt
-- 
Ich bin synthetisch aber nicht bloed...
                                                       kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de
Einoed Unix & Netzwerke. Koepenicker Str. 154, 1 Berlin 36. Tel: 611 3[1,2] 26
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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan)
Subject: --=> MTB: Looking for advice on mtbs around $700 <=--
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:16:18 GMT

I recently had my Trek 950 stolen, and would like any suggestions on what I sho
uld buy.  I want to spend around $700 on my next mountain bike.  This amount is
 for a stock bike.  I do plan on spending more on goodies in the future, like M
anitou forks, etc.  I would like at least DX components, and thumb shifters.  I
 had rapid mis-fire for a while, and do not want to deal with that again.

I am considering a Hammer by Rocky Mountain.  It is incredibly light and fast c
ompared to my Trek.  Any advice about the Hammer, Rocky Mountain, or ANY other
MTBs around $700 is greatly appreciate.

Thank you,
JT
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From: parksd@source.asset.com (Don Parks)
Subject: Re: Rednedk [sic] alert
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:34:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology

In article <1992Aug11.202032.10295@den.mmc.com> sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:
>
>Someone else has already requested a respite from this thread.  Some of
>us cyclists go to church and even call ourselves Christians, myself
>included.  I thought the purpose of this group was to discuss cycling,
>not to denigrate folks with religious beliefs which might differ from
>your own.  I have a feeling that most churches have more important
>things to discuss than the evils of spadex, etc.  So, can we PLEASE get
>back to cycling?
>
So we bicyclists poke a little fun at, stereotype, slander, etc.
church goers.  Why is this striking such a nerve.  Do we not do the
same to rednecks, woman drivers, old ladies, Jobst, Greg Lemond,
helmetless riders, triathletes, etc.  As a matter of fact, I'll
probably be flamed for using 'we' to generalize all the rec.bikers in
this argument.

The point is, that I (I won't generalize here) don't care about the
personal beliefs, morals, vices, virtues, sexual preferences, etc.  of
the rec.bikers.  However, it is entertaining and often educational to
observe the diverse views, opinions, philosophies, experiences, etc.
of the netters.

So, it is no ones business if I go to church or not and I could care
less if you do.  Just enjoy the diversity of all God's/Nature's
creations and remember that you can ONLY control your own thoughts
and actions.  And just MAYBE, influence others buy your example.

Lighten up and ride bike.

Don (the agnostic, possibly atheist, non-devil worshiping, religious
     fanatic despiser, who could really care less what you believe,
     and welcomes all your prayers) Juan
[just couldn't help it ;-)]
--
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas Taxes R Us
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:51:55 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug18.174041.9183@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
>
>Your info is quite moldy.  Amtrak's farebox recovery ratio hasn't been
>that low since somewhere around 1985.  They have been in the 70-80%
>range since 1989.  Certain routes like the Washington-NYC-Boston Corridor
>and the San Diegans have been profitable.

According to the National Railroad Passenger Corporation the
Revenue-to-Expense ratio for Amtrak for 1986 was 62%. For
1991 it was 72%.

In actual dollars and cents, the American taxpayer pays almost
as much per passenger mile as the passengers themselves.

Note: there is some question about whether transportation will
get more expensive or less with time. I would expect that 
transportation costs will remain _fairly_ constant from now
on. This would indicate that there won't be a large change
in the amount of travel people do and so in the way the transportation
net is used.

This discussion was started because of social reformers wanting
to tax automobile users for the auto's percieved 'extra' cost to
society. Of course they simply skip over or don't mention the auto's
hidden benefits.

An earlier post by a gentleman from the Netherlands (?) showed
figures that about 1/2 the people there lived in the same building
where they work. If that was true for most of small town USA (likely?)
then that would very much tilt the "distance to work" figures that
the reformers have been using (average commute distances less that
12 miles round trip.)

Now, I _do_ believe that bicycles are a good commuting alternative
but I don't believe that forcing people to use them is the answer.
From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Cops on the Beat
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:52:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.022553.20864@eskimo.celestial.com> ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen) writes:
>m1ejb00@fed.frb.gov (Eric J. Bartelsman) writes:
>> [After re-formatting the message]:
>> Washington DC has just started a new program to more effectively patrol 
>> neighborhoods, namely, officers on bicycles.  About 30 cops will start 
>> patrolling the capital hill area of DC, as part of their ongoing community
>> [...]
>
>Great... Hehehe...Seattle's had this for years, and as far as I know, it's
>working perfectly.  A lot of the officers had to re-learn how to ride safely
>(grin), and they all understand what we cyclists go through on the city
>streets.
>
>> Let your mayors and police chiefs know this is a good idea and see if they
>>  can start similar programs in other cities.
>
>A bit too late for Seattle (I've lived here my entire life and have seen
>officers on cycles for literally years), but now there's another metropolitan
>area that could possibly set an example!  Sounds great!


Yeah, I hope that the cops learn how to ride.  I saw a tv news clip on this
and sure enough, the cops were riding on the sidewalk!  Made me angry!.  BTW
I have seen bike cops in Toronto as well.


-- 
Pablo
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:38:28 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

In article <q54m9s=.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>  A lot of Tom's nonsense deleted...
>
Loosen your sphincter Tom.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Why shave?
Date: 15 Aug 1992 14:14:38 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <KF6NB9QW@cc.swarthmore.edu> Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu> writes:
>In article <BszA7J.L5G@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Eric Praetzel,
>praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>>At long last a plausable reason.
>>  It makes it a lot easier to put on sun lotion.

>And, it makes it much less painful when you massage your legs.   Nothing
>like half the sensation
>of half the hair ripping out when your getting a deep-muscle massage!

I really hate to get into this again.  "Shaving wars" are no more
fun than "helmet wars".

Having done a bit of massage, I find this one simply puzzling.  What
kind of incompetent is doing the massage?  Is there an oil shortage?
Runners get leg massages, too, and few of them shave their legs.
Nobody who gets a back massage is expected to shave his back.  While
hairless skin is a convenience, it is a minor one.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RESULTS: Melinda Trophy.
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:57:58 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

The following results appeared in this morning's paper.  Maurizio
Fondriest (Panasonic) seems to have outsprinted his breakaway
companion Gianni Bugno (Gatorade).  Another Panasonic rider,
Viatcheslav Ekimov, came in 1m 41s behind the leading two to take
third place.

Melinda Tropy (Val di Non, Italy) Placings:
1.  M Fondriest  5h 32m 12s
2.  G Bugno  same time
3.  V Ekimov  at 1m 41s
4.  M Giovannetti  at 1m 59s
5.  F Puttini  at 2m 4s

Both Fondriest and Ekimov are due to ride in the Wincanton Classic
on Sunday.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
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From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: Canada and Sports Eats
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:20:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.065717.8800@regina.cs.uregina.ca> gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.074344.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>[lots of stuff deleted]
>>Now the dept of health think that people might try to live off Power Bars!
>>Evidently the bars contain a lot of vitamin A and this can be toxic in 
>>large quantities.
>>
>>Michael Newton
>>Grenfell College
>>Corner Brook
>>NF
>>
>
>This smells like a bunch of bull to me.  If you consider the amount of
>powerbars you would have to eat to approach 'toxic' levels, its just plain
>silly.  If you ate equivalent amounts (by weight) of oranges, you could
>have toxic reaction to the ascorbic acid.  Or if you were to eat an
>equivalent amount of bananas, you might experience potassium fever. 
>
>This isn't about health care concerns, its just politics. 
>


True enough.
Still, recall the lesson of apple seeds.  Some people enjoy eating
them; certainly I do.  I enjoy the bitterness.
The story goes that one bloke so enjoyed them (and was so hooked on
postponing pleasures) that he saved up a drinking glass full of the
beasties, then indulged in an orgy.  (O please don't tell me the story
is false!)
Died of the cyanide.
Aunty Canada knows best.
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
From: niliinsk@Reed.Edu (Noah P.N. Iliinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Cops on the Beat
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:20:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug17.232033.21453
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Portland Oregon is another city with cops on bikes.  Also, the community  
saftey officers on the Reed college campus have been known to use a bike  
as well.
-Noah Iliinsky/niliinsk@reed.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Why shave?
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:51:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug14.232957.14140@cis.ohio-state.edu> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>And for rec.bicycles.road, I think it is alot easier to
>wipe off the chain grease that never fails to accumulate on
>the back of your leg.

Of course, those of us who wax their chains instead of their legs
don't get any of those chainring tatoos. :-)
>                                      
>
>
>
>
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From: djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly)
Subject: Carbon fiber frames (was  OPINIONS: Trek 2100/2300..)
Keywords: (Long)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 19:11:20 GMT


In article <5670@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne) writes:
>I have been looking at several bike and I ended up purchasing the TREK 2100.
>I would have bought the 2300 but couldn't really justify the $400 premium
>for:
>   Shimano STD brake shift system (fell in love with them but... overpriced),
>   19 speed  (would be a better climber)   <--- huh?
>   other minor equipment upgrades.


I hope Chris doesn't take this personally as I don't know his
circumstances, but I find it curious how many riders who are
admittedly recreational/fitness riders are willing to pay a high
price for carbon fiber or titanium frames, titanium saddles, etc. to
save at most 2% of total mass.  If this 2% reduction in mass
translates into a 2% reduction in climbing power than during a
half-hour climb one saves 36 seconds.  ( increased speed in the
descent following will eat up a small fraction of this, as will
frictional and wind resistance losses during the climb ) During a race
this can be important, but during recreational rides I don't see the
difference.  On the other hand, better components work better and are
more reliable.

I think that the value in nonferrous frames is revealed by the
fact that the second hilliest stage in this year's Tour was
won handily by a rider on a steel frame.  I'd definitely chose
a Bridgestone with Ultegra or equivalent over a Trek Carbon with 105
unless I was maybe doing hill climb time trials.

BTW I am further amused at how many of the titanium-equipped riders
are clearly overweight.  I don't want to judge other people's
priorities, but still...

Dan



-- 
From: javiers@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Javier Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:47:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for advice on purchase of TOURING bikes
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

/ hpmwema4:rec.bicycles / javiers@hpmwema4.sr.hp.com (Javier Sanchez) /  1:46 pm  Aug 21, 1992 /
Hi Everyone,

I'm posting this for a friend:

Kostrikin Frame, Fork and Stem.  Made in USA (Santa Rosa, CA)
frame mat'l: Custom Tubing (True Temper/Prestige)
Color: Clear Coated Metallic
Size: 19" center to center
extras: XT Headset and Bottom Bracket

$400.00 o.b.o. (Not including shipping)

Contact: Roger at 707-829-9271.
----------
From: gregl@lestat.Corp.Sun.COM (Gregory Layer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: road bicycle for sale
Date: 14 Aug 1992 23:46:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: gregl@lestat.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: lestat.corp.sun.com

Classic Italian racing bicycle for sale.  Here's the specifics:

	- 1985 black Colnago frame (Columbus SL tubing) 60cm
	- Campagnolo Super Record/Nuovo Record components
		crank set and rear derailleur are Nuovo Record
	- Mavic MA 40 rims
	- Cinelli stem and bars
	- Time Sport pedals
	- water bottle cage
	- Silca frame pump

The bicycle is in excelent condition.

$700 obo

Please contact Greg Layer at gregl@corp.sun.com.

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