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From: arc@JUDY.INDSTATE.EDU (Arc Wave)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: A4000 ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:17:35 GMT

Are the Amiga 4000 screens going to have scan lines?
I hate scan lines!  I don't mind if certain video modes use this, but
is there a mode which eliminates scan lines?  Flicker? I have no 
problem with flickering screens (well).

I have ordered my Amiga 4000 and should (hopefully) receive it before 
the end of the month (yes, with CBM 1960 monitor).

I can't wait to jump to 68040 (25mhz,32bit) screaming power!
..and 2mb graphic jamming ram, and 120mb sprinting (?) HD!
..and 256,000 (HAM 8, 256 normal) radiant colors!

Amigas owned: A1000,A500 (3meg ram, 80mb HD, ECS).

Paul
"A4000, a paradign shift in computing power."

p.s. Please send me email at:
      
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From: rosborn@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan H Osborn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AVOID GRAPEVINE!!!!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:55:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


      Hello fellow Amiga users.  I am posting this as a warning to all who have
even the slightest urges to do business with Grapevine Group Inc.  I placed an
order for 2 CIA chips last Tuesday.  Upon ordering I ask if the chips were in
stock and was informed that they were.  After a week passed I decided to call
and find out if my chips had shipped yet.  I was told by the operator that the
chips had not been shipped because they were on backorder, so I cancelled my
order so that I could get them from a closer business (who will most likely 
have them to me tomorrow).  I re-ordered the chips from the other business and
an hour and a half later got a call from Grapevine informing me that my order
had been shipped yesterday.  I told her what had happened and asked that I not
have to pay the re-stocking fee.  No such luck.  She goes on to tell me that *I*
told *her* that the chips were on backorder so I cancelled after they had 
shipped.  Anyway....To cover up her mistake she accused me of saying something
I didn't, and then when I denied it, she accused me of telling her a lie.
	Although I did get the problem cleared up with the manager, I'd suggest
you find another place for your purchasing needs.

   (Sorry for the length)
						Ryan

P.S.  I'd seen posts about their bad practices before but I chose to ignore
   them.  Maybe the net isn't such a bad place for information after all. =)

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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Mod Rippers
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:50:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.717879042
Organization: University of Washington

In <BvEEIE.3vr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Stacy) writes:


>A couple of years ago I remember a mod ripper that would scan the
>disk for mods and it wouldn't matter what type of disk it was;
>It would scan IBM disks also for example for mods or at least
>sound samples.  

>Anyhelp locating this and any other MOD rippers would be appreciated.

>-thanks in advance

>-steve
>stacysm@sage.purdue.edu
>stacysm2@mentor.purdue.edu


On a similar note...
is it possible to COMPLETELY REMOVE vocal samples from MODS that other
people have already done?  There are several mods that In my opinion are
ruined by vocals.  One in particular is quite crass, but the music is
fantastic.  Can the three vocals be removed SIMPLY?  (That's the key - I'm
just not a programmer and have not yet figured out the music notation used
by these programs.  If it doesn't use the Grand Staff or keyboard entry
- I'm lost... )
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga World -- problems anyone?
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:06:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Last year I tried to get a subscription to Amiga World (henceforth refered
to as: AW) and marked "bill me" on one of the myriad dead trees that they
fill the magazine with.  Well anyway, I got one magazine and NO bill.
Fine.  No problem, I got a free mag, but not after it took a couple of 
MONTHS to send it to me (so I had already bought it at the local 
WaldenBooks, the K-mart for literates, which by the way is the ONLY outlet
around that carried any Amiga related material)  ANYWAY, I decided to try
again this year (Yeah, I'm a sucker for punishment) I marked the "bill me"
again, got a bill, paid it, got a notice that I should "settle this 
discrepency" so I could insure prompt delivery (like it was a message from
Mr. Gotti.)  Since I already paid it I assumed that they just hadn't 
gotten my snail-mail yet (I really wish there was a way to send money
e-mail) and waited.  Well, I finaly got my first issue.  Then I had to move
back to school.  I sent them an address change letter and have not recived
any notification or magazine.  I am going to send them another letter and ask
if they have recived the address change.

I guess I don't realy have a question, but was wondering if anyone else has
had any problems with this magazine (or IDG/I in general, I used to have
a subscription with RUN and had no problems at all.)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

PS: this letter should have lots and lots of embedded smilieys, I'm just too
lazy to extend my fingers :) so I hope I did not offend anyone.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Making a 'custom' CD-ROM?  Anyone interested?
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:34:34 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

I'm in for it.....I'll even buy a CD_ROM if somthing like this comes around..

Jim
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                   have you been living....in the USA? :)       
           Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
A4000 Coming SOON!!, Real soon.                 MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (Gary.C)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Upgrade 2000 or to 4000
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:39:07 GMT
Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I already have a B2000 with the following specification:

	(1) 1.2 Kickstart
        (2) 20  Mega/Byte Hard disk.
        (3) CPU standard 68000

I have looked at upgrading the above machine to the following

     	(1) GVP G-Force 030 50Mhz Combo -50Mhz 68030
            50Mhz 68882, 8 Mega/Byte ram SCSI controler

    	(2) 120 Mega/Byte hard disk.
	(3) 2.04 Kickstart + Workbench to suit.
        (4) DCTV
        (5) MegaChip 2000 2Meg Agnus

The main use of my machine is running Read3D, creating raytraced
animations. ie Rendering. What I want to know is (1) does anyone
have any comments on the above upgrade. (2) Would I be better to
upgrade  to a 040  board. (3) or  would I do better to sell  the 
B2000 and buy a Amiga 4000. If so does anyone know the price of
an Amiga 4000 + Appropriate monitor in the UK I have heard about
2500 pounds.


     (*) 
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     __ \///   SERC Daresbury Laboratory
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: accs1@bagheera.mumath
Subject: Board Revision
Keywords: Revision
Reply-To: accs1@bagheera.mumath
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:30:37 GMT

I would like to know which board revision I've gotten in my AMIGA-2000.
I opened the lid and all I found was a printed REV. 4.

Does this mean it is revision 4.0 or 4.4 or whatever.


Frank
From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga on TV
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:45:23 GMT
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy

An A1000 is shown briefly on a Private Investigators desk in the
(Canadian?) movie "Family Viewing"

Weird movie too. A bit like "Sex, lies and Videotape"

	Adrian

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: marco@tina.dei.unipd.it (Marco Pontil 259243)
Subject: Hiragana Fonts
Organization: Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:14:20 GMT


Do anybody know if there are the Hiragana (one of the Japanese set of
characters) fonts for Amiga ?

Thanks ...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Sony CD-ROM Drive (CDU-541) on Amiga?
From: drew@bootrom.MtRoyal.ab.ca (Steve Drew)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:25:18 MDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Not Organized
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <rUvMr*1m5@jwdata.se> jw@jwdata.se (Johan Widen) writes:
> I have a Sony CD-ROM drive, model CDU-541. Is it possible to use this
> on the Amiga. If so what SCSI-controller and filesystem have you used?
> I have tried it on an Evolution SCSI-controller with the Asim filesystem,
> but no luck (this drive is not one of those supported by Asim, it is
> not even mentioned in the manual).

Mine works both with Xetec or Canadian Replicas CDFS. Although Xetec is
a better all around package in my opinion. I'm using a ICD controller
but also works on 2091 and GVP controllers.

-- 
-Steve
From: cs90rol@brunel.ac.uk (Richard O Lavey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Memory Map question
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:26:18 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK


AmigaDOS does this automatically, or at least it does on my combo with 4 megs 32-bit fast, plus 2 megs of 16-bit fast on another board, plus 1 meg of chip RAM. Under 2.04, all the fast RAM is automaticaly made contiguous, with the 32-bit stuff at the front (hence some programs like SysInfo think I have 6 megs of 32-bit fast).

If you use a program like ARTM you'll see that Fast RAM is given a higher priority than Chip RAM, so it is used first.


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From: cwhi2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Dean          Whitmore       )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Mod Rippers
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:15:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep30.221542.20979
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <crystal.717879042@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:

>In <BvEEIE.3vr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Stacy) writes:


>>A couple of years ago I remember a mod ripper that would scan the
>>disk for mods and it wouldn't matter what type of disk it was;
>>It would scan IBM disks also for example for mods or at least
>>sound samples.  

>>Anyhelp locating this and any other MOD rippers would be appreciated.

The best one that i have found is called Mega Sound Crcker.  This programs hunts
around in files/Memory for soundtracker type files.  I dont knodw where to get
it from but you should be able to get it from any PD place.

>>-thanks in advance

>>-steve
>>stacysm@sage.purdue.edu
>>stacysm2@mentor.purdue.edu


>On a similar note...
>is it possible to COMPLETELY REMOVE vocal samples from MODS that other
>people have already done?  There are several mods that In my opinion are
>ruined by vocals.  One in particular is quite crass, but the music is
>fantastic.  Can the three vocals be removed SIMPLY?  (That's the key - I'm
>just not a programmer and have not yet figured out the music notation used
>by these programs.  If it doesn't use the Grand Staff or keyboard entry
>- I'm lost... )
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: djs55750@dcl-nxt01 (David John Schulz)
Subject: Re: Amiga World -- problems anyone?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:34:20 GMT

Goodness, I must have lucked out and haven't encountered any of these
problems.  I had the same thing 'bill me' and they did and I got my issues.
Then I moved back to school and called the subcription info number and had my
address changed.  I informed them that I had missed the October issue.  They
said that all would be taken care of.  So this past Saturday, I recieved the
October issue and everything's in order.  I'm a happy camper!


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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Re^2:  An open letter to all whiners.
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:47:37 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <23SEP199219464883@jane.uh.edu>, st1gs@jane.uh.edu (Spice, Darrell G.) writes:
> In article <1992Sep22.212345.1@vaxr.llnl.gov>, yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov writes...
>>In article <1992Sep22.045701.22005@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, (Jeff Hanna) writes:
>> 
>>> GIVE IT UP!!!!  The 1000/500/2000/2500 series is almost decade old technology.
>>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>>Didn't the 500, 2000, 2500 come out around late '87?  I traded in my A1000, on
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> A friend got one of the original 1000's back in the spring of 85 if I remember
> correctly.  
> 
> Darrell

Darrell,
  Yes, you remember correctly, but I didn't mention the A1000 when I referred to
'87. 

Joe
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From: ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Erik S. Kolar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ED Price List - Anyone Have it?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:05:42 GMT
Organization: Only Amiga Makes It Possible!

>Call CBM and request a copy and they will send you one.
>-- 
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Phone number?  Also, does C= have a mail address for inquiries?  I know about
suggestions@cbmvax, but I understand that is ONLY for suggestions.  Anyone?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jw@jwdata.se (Johan Widen)
Subject: Sony CD-ROM Drive (CDU-541) on Amiga?
Originator: daemon@sics.se
Organization: Johan Widen Data AB
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:38:51 GMT

I have a Sony CD-ROM drive, model CDU-541. Is it possible to use this
on the Amiga. If so what SCSI-controller and filesystem have you used?
I have tried it on an Evolution SCSI-controller with the Asim filesystem,
but no luck (this drive is not one of those supported by Asim, it is
not even mentioned in the manual).


Johan Widen				Tel: +46 8 59 120 120
Johan Widen Data AB			Fax: +46 8 59 127 761
Hugingatan 20, S-195 52 MARSTA, SWEDEN	Internet: jw@jwdata.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: menegon@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (marco menegon)
Subject: G-Force 40MHz overclocking ..........
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:03:35 GMT


Hi, I have a GVP G-Force030 40MHz accelerator board but now I want to overclock it.
Does anyone know what is the MAX clock rate for a 40MHz processor ?? ? (I think 46-48MHz but I'm not sure...)

Thanks in advance to everyone.
Please answer to my question at the following address:

Internet: menegon@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Monitor for the A4000
Keywords: Monitor A4000 Amiga
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:30:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


     Please DO post the suggested/recommended monitors for A4000...
I, too, will have one and have the $$$.  Yeah!!!  Mow, all I need
to do is to actually see one.
   
                                                    -TKH '92
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black)
Subject: Re: books
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:58:09 GMT

Try the cmanual for the amiga c organization in sweden.  Can be had on the 
fish disks around 700.  The most recent ones i have seen is cmanual 3.0.
It is very informative.  It should be in 5 parts on the fish disks around
ff700.

Marty


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Re: ASDG VD0: device (or similar) under ADOS RELEASE 2.05
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:46:49 GMT

From article <1992Oct4.192640.12673@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, by kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts):
> In <1992Oct4.164331.679@sarah.albany.edu> hibrown@vidar.albany.edu (Herb Brown) writes:
> 
> 
>>Actually, the report was that it works under 2.04 and appears not to
>>work under 2.05.
> 
>>Sorry for the apparently 'bad' news.
> 
> No, it works fine under 2.05.  It had to be fixed to work with 3000's.  The
> fix was made a long time ago.  I have no problems using it with my 2.05 A3000.

Where does this fix exist?

Allan Duncan		ACSnet	 a.duncan@trl.oz
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Fax    253 6664		UUCP	 {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan
    Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
From: ianm@laghey.UUCP (Ian Moran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Protext
Summary: Protext 5.5 for the Amiga
Keywords: Protext
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:57:02 GMT
Organization: Private Amiga Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I have been asked to post some details on the Amiga wordprocessor PROTEXT
5.5. I have absolutely no connection with this company, but since the
program is UK produced it seems that people outside the UK have not heard
of this software.

PROTEXT 5.5 costs 150GBP and is available from

Arnor Ltd
611 Lincoln Road
Peterborough
PE1 3HA
England
Tel 0733 68909
Fax 0733 67299

I would suggest that anyone interested should contact Arnor and have them
fax a copy of their current advertisment. A demo copy of the software is
also available.

Here is a slection of points from the ad.

Enhanced Printing capabilities.
- supports multiple proportional fonts; mixing of different font sizes on
the same line; proportional formatting whilst editing; extensive range of
(customizable) printer drivers supplied.

Multiple File editing
 - up to 36 files may be open, split screen editing.

Language Support
- includes Albanian, Basque, Czech - (30 languages supported).

Newspaper column printing.

Mail merge programming language.

Index and contents generation.

Spelling checker features 120,000 word Collins dictionary.

Thesaurus features 43,000 main entries and 827,000 responses.


Protext requires at least 1 Mb memory.

Hope this is useful!

Regards

 Ian


Conversion to and from Wordstar 5.5 and Microsoft RTF format.





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From: mettinen@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Kari J Mettinen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: C= HELP!!!!
Keywords: C=128 ~ A3000UXD : -)
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:44:49 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <BvME04.n3n@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>
>   
>     I finally decided to upgrade my C=128 a little after 6-7 years and
>a new computer, but I can no longer find any specification for the 
>C=128.  Also, I can not seem to find any Commodore newsgroups.  Amiga
>seemed to be the nearest.  
>     I am considering a 1581 disk drive, my question is primarily...
>Does it support high density disks?  I know my 1571 do not, but what 
>about 1581?  Any comments on this drive would most certainly be appreciated.
>     Secondly, what is the maximum graphics capability my C=128 have?
>I am also considering a video digitizer for my C=128, but I want to 
>know more about the capabilities of my computer first.
>     Thankx....

  So after you decided not to buy an A3000UXD, you'll upgrade your
C=128 :-)

>                                                    -TKH '92
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Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 12:21:20 +01
From: <FFAAC03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: "Family Values"...& vulgar programs!
 <1992Sep28.175523.1@vaxb.llnl.gov> <gem6fjG00j_HA0ZVx=@cs.cmu.edu>
 <1992Sep30.075650.28510@bristol.ac.uk>
 <1992Sep30.160748.12060@javelin.sim.es.com> <81124@ut-emx.uucp>


yeah, let's do the demo discussion again.
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