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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: No more leeches (was Exactly what I mean by "unattached")
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:56:06 GMT

In article <2FJDPB1w165w@wildrose.infoserv.com> rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:
>waitress-in-a-donut-shop types.
>
>Fortunately, when I meet women in major metro areas (through business
>travel, and the net) they do behave as you describe; I haven't completely
>lost faith in all women.  When I see "woman seeks financially stable..."
>as Larry said, maybe it means "no more leeches" (an attitude I respect).
>But in this corner of the universe, it usually means "walletsucking
>parasite seeks viable host".  Depressing indeed.
 
 Hey you can talk about my ex that way.
 

 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: richwing@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Wingerter)
Subject: SF Bay Area Boink
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 08:42:35 GMT

I'm planning a boink in the bay area.  E-mail me if you are going to be in this
area on 29 August and want info.


--Rich Wingerter
From: schock@flip.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Craig-Richard Schock)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Finding Romantic Partners (long)
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:35:44 GMT
Reply-To: schock@flip.cpsc.ucalgary.ca
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science

In article <71348@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
> Acting isn't necessarily the antithesis of honesty, openness, warmth - 
> acting is learning how to communicate effectively (i.e., so that your
> meaning is correctly interpreted by the audience). It may involve some 
> exaggeration and simplification. But if you want to get something across, 
> sometimes it is best to present a simplified version at first. Later on 
> you can work on refining it. 
> 
> If you aren't used to expressing emotions, giving compliments, &c, acting 
> will help you learn how. At first it will seem artificial, but perhaps later 
> on it will not.

Bravo... Well stated....  I took an acting course (during my Computer Science  
Degree) a few years ago.  It sure changed my life.  When I first enrolled in  
the course (I was convinced by a friend that I should take the course) I  
thought, "Oh... how fun.  Play time."  But, to my surprise, the course was  
rich in ideas and things to learn as well as being entertaining and fun.

> Stef
> stef@apple.com

Craig
From: kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Various ramblings...
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:26:47 GMT
Organization: I can't see any in the immediate vicinity...

In article <14113@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>
>Sometimes I think that Kevin just needs someone to take him to Nevada,
>get him completely shitfaced,  and then take him a brothel and get him
>laid.  Even after he wakes up with an incredible hangover and a tatoo
>on his chest that says "Born to Raise Hell" I think he would benefit from
>the experience.  Sometimes you just have to say what the fuck.

I'm game.  When do we leave?  :-)

>| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |


-- 
				Kevin Brown

			    kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com
			    kevin@taronga.taronga.com
From: luzenko@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Luzenko)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: single men
Keywords: glock kill them till you drop
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:47:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent - Oceanport NJ


Why men can't dance with men in america without some stigma attached to it .

I remember now! when my sisters started to dance at the park dances with
the umpa band I asked my boy friend louis to dance. Then all of the mothers
told me this was nogood for boys to dance it was dirty or bad or something
like that. Hey the pieces are fitting together now! The (Mothers all) it
fits now. The master plan, FROM THE BEDROOM TO THE BOARDROOM yes yes 
so that texan with a glock was right wasn't he!  
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: matt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: cooking newsgroups??
Organization: Bill & Ted University.  Founded 2425.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:13:40 GMT

John Fereira:
) "It's not just for breakfast anymore".  Maggie Mae's is a bar that
) has so many varieties of beer that they have a beer menu.

How many varieties woud that be?  50?  100?  I'm not impressed.
There's a place in Berwyn (BERWYN??), less than a half a mile outside
Chicago, that has a list .. well, there were at least 50 in each
column, and 4 or 5 columns ... on each side of the page.

You know what Texas really does have more of than any other state?
Texans.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: men in their thirties who never dated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:48:14 GMT
Organization: QQQCLC

In article <92231.39304.6069870@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6069870@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>RE: men in thirty something groups ***
>
>is it possible that they are just shy?

	Yep.

>is it possible that they do not have the gift of gab?

	Yep.

>is it possible that most women now days expect too much from a man?

	Could be.

>what is your conclusion?

	I wanna be a woman next time around.

						Kayembee
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Various ramblings
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 03:44:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug19.175750.25412@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>> Now that I've experienced what it's like to have a real engine powering
>> the car [Mustang GT], I'll never go back.  :-)
>Real engine?  Neanderthal, over-weight, cast iron pushrod V-8s are *not*
>real engines.  Oh, wait...this thread was about relationships, wasn't it?
>Sorry...   :-)

Yeah- don't you know it....women always go for those big hulky gas-guzzling
engines while nice quiet engines measured in 'litres' stay home idling on
Saturday nights....
r.
(Lets Just Be Less Mechanically-Inclined....)

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: REQUEST:  TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <BtCLFs.EH9@acsu.buffalo.edu>  swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann) writes:
> In article <14170@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> >In article <9208201553.AA05923@moe.optics.rochester.edu> ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTE
> >
> >>However, you are right that women don't like guys that just want sex.
> >
> >Unless she's a hooker.
>
> Unless she just wants sex.

It doesn't mean that she *likes* him.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:09:20 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

>>
>>>However, you are right that women don't like guys that just want sex.
>> 
>>Unless she's a hooker.
> 
> Unless she just wants sex.
> 
Ok now do guy's like women who just want sex?  I really want to know. Or
do guys want some girl(women) to fall madly in love with them even if
they don't plan on seeing them again?

Rai.
"I could do it forever and ever                    Raina Weinberg
Give me an hour to kiss you                   Memphis State University
Walk through heaven's door I'm sure              Memphis, Tennessee
We don't need a doctor to feel much better
Let me in                                   MCSWEINBERG@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU
Forever and ever and ever and ever"        

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: cocoa@iat.holonet.net (little 'e')
Subject: Re: California Here I Come, Again (San Diego, to be exact)
Organization: The Chocolate Factory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:33:31 GMT

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
: In article <1992Aug18.224245.5672@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes:
: |it.  Took my first helicopter ride and did some aerial photography.
: |One of the most exciting things I ever did.  Blacks Beach was
: |interesting.
:  
: Let me guess.  That's the clothing optional beach, right?

Yep.  You gotta climb down a steep cliff to get to it. (or so I've heard)

: 
: |I'm not sure yet exactly where in San Diego I will be.  I don't actually
: |have to start work till Aug. 29-30, (maybe the night of the 28th). But,
: |I will be arriving the afternoon of August 25th.  So lots of time to
: |rest, enjoy the sites and some of the people.  Maybe a drive up P.C.H.

If you'd waited a week, I could've showed you around.  I'll be there Labor
Day weekend.

: Didn't you say you might be up this way as well in the near future?

He better make it up here soon.  We'll be the only ones who haven't met
him.  

And when is Kevin going to make it out here so we can take him to a
brothel?

Just me,

little 'e'

"My favorite pick-up is a *Gibson* humbucker." - me
"Guitar players have the best licks." - J. Fereira
-- 
Recently re-located, and now permanently residing at _The_Chocolate_Factory_
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Commitment--The C-word?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:14:29 GMT
Keywords: commitment,marriage,reluctance

In article <1992Aug16.232541.11992@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> jfb200@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (joseph.f.baugher) writes:
>I have often wondered why it is  that  so  many  men  are  fearful  of
>commitment.   The  women's  magazines  and the feminist literature are
>full of complaints about this aspect of men ...

Maybe the women's magazines true, but most feminist literature *I've*
run across contains things like "if it has tires or testicles you're
going to have trouble with it" or "imagine a world without men - no
wars and lots of fat, happy women" or "a woman without a bicycle is
like a man without a fish" (or something like that.)  :-)

There isn't much about man-woman (oops!) I mean woman-man relationships
in the feminist pages but more about finding the goddess within you,
why women are the superior beings, etc - stuff that takes sexism to 
it's full limits.
>
>Why are men so much more reluctant than women to commit?  I think that
>it is because men have a lot more to lose.

No.  Joe, trust me.  That's *not* it ... but keep trying.

-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
                            (_) \(_)
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: REQUEST:  TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:19:12 GMT

Status: R

Hello to all!

I am interested to compile a list of "TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT"
for the incoming freshman guys here at U of Rochester.  Any input/suggestion
is welcome!  I will pick the 20 ways from all your replies that I think are
MOST CREATIVE and post it up in "soc.college" at the end of this month!

Thanks in advance!

Baldwin

(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: men dancing with men just because they're friends.
Keywords: men homos single bad reason
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:54:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

>In article <2219@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com> luzenko@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Luzenko) writes:


>>Why men can't dance with men in america without some stigma attached to it .

>becoz the only possible reason for dancing at all is to get together with 
>somebody.  if all u want is a bit of exercise, do sport.

NOT!

obviously a response from a man who is not a true dancer. (someone who can
dance with themselves and enjoy it.)

--
                    . . . . .                      strake@dartmouth.edu
         .     :    .       .    :     .
   :     :    .  :             :  .    :     :      it seemed a good
   :          :                   :          :      idea at the time
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: morton@rtpnet06.rtp.dg.com (John R. Morton)
Subject: Re: Net.Women
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:09:02 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.
Keywords: good looking cute beautiful etc.

>>>>I friend of mine and are are having a dispute as to whether there
>>>>are actually any good looking net.women that read this news group.
>>>>Any suggestions as to how this dispute could be settled?

	On a network... good looking is a text-only thing... a whole
	new dimension, complete with punctuation, syntax, and PC.
	There are no faces, no bodies, no cars, no houses, just words.
	So , you've read the words, and still are not situated as to
	who is good looking and who is not. Get closer to the screen,
	wrap the modem cord around you.... do something !
	BUT DON"T EVER CONFUSE THIS WITH REAL LIFE !

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Finding Romantic Partners (long)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:39:11 GMT

>shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>>He talks about the latest dessert creation he made, a 
>>chocolate rum cheesecake, and she is a chocolate lover.  

>kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) replies:
>>Serious chocolate lovers do not mix their chocolate and their cheescake. 

ron@turing.toronto.edu (Ron Wessels) disagrees strongly:
>Disagree strongly!
>There are very few foods that cannot be improved by the addition of
>- more chocolate	- more garlic 	or	- more cheese

A counterexample to your claim is found in the (second or complete)
Gilroy _Garlic Lovers Cookbook_ in the section on desserts: 
Sicilian Gems, or chocolate-covered garlic cloves.  Try 'em, then post
to rec.food.cooking...

As for chocolate and cheescake, I think that the chocolate overwhelms
the subtle flavors of the cream cheese.  And the fat in the cream
cheese serves to mask the flavor of the chocolate.  So I don't mix
them, I prefer to ingest them sequentially.

This reminded me of Passovoy's Laws (Seth? can you quote them correctly?)

Laws one and three:
There's no such thing as too much garlic
There's no such thing as too much chocolate

(I think the second is "I don't treat stupidity" (Bob Passovoy is a
fannish doctor) but I'm not sure.

-- 
FUZZY PINK NIVEN'S LAW:  Never Waste Calories.  Potato chips, candy,
whipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your
dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors.  But Fuzzy Pink's Law
implies: Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped
cream, or an inferior hot fudge sundae.
                Larry Niven, NIVEN'S LAWS, N-SPACE
-- 
Kiran Wagle                             <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
P.O.Box 2083 Bloomington IN 47402-2083                  (812) 335-0420
From: wjb@moscom.UUCP (Bill de Beaubien)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Finding Romantic Partners (long)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:10:05 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Kiran Wagle (kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
:  
: >Grocery stores, malls, and specialty shops are good too--I find it's
: >very common for one or more people I meet completely at random while
: >on a shopping trip to strike up a conversation with me; 
:  
: More proof that trygve lives in a different universe than I do.  
: People don't talk to strangers at shops in my universe.  
: 
: Pehaps I should move to the Universe Next Door.

That, or start wearing chainmail on your shopping trips.  You'd probably
end up with more people striking up conversations with you...

-- 
"Bless me, Father; I ate a lizard."
"Was it an abstinence day, and was it artificially prepared?"
-------------------------------------------------------------
Bill de Beaubien / wjb@moscom.com 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams)
Subject: Re: Psychobabble
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:41:16 GMT

In <thurlow.714098464@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:

>In <1992Aug16.184917.5360@nuchat.sccsi.com> kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:

>>In article <thurlow.713979722@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:

>>>You do realize that there are many, many things that one comes to
>>>believe in one's life that one may not be able to prove?  

>>Like what?

>Like my belief that my cat likes some music.  First, I can't ask her
>about it, I can only infer some things from her external behaviour.
>Second, I won't ever know if her feelings map to mine in any way.
>I am pretty sure she likes baroque music, but I don't think I'll be
>able to prove it to my satisfaction, though I believe it would be
>possible in principle.

	Well if she purrs when you play it on the stereo and kneads her
claws into your thighs in a suckling motion and licks your hand then I think
you've proved it to my satisfaction. Of course, if she sings along to the
music too, then I think you've proved it to everyone's satisfaction! :>

    ____________________________________________________________________
    |   Emma Williams            | Dad, I guess you're wondering why   |
    |   ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie    | I'm ringing you..--Calvin & Hobbes  |
    |				 | (eller Steen og Stoffer :-> )       |
    |____________________________|_____________________________________|


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Apricots
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Aug18.222818.29455@cbnews.cb.att.com>  eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>
> P.S.  Does anyone have a solution for those dried apricots that turn
> out to be hard little rocks when you open the bag??

Brandy is the solution - mix up an apricot and brandy solution, and let
them soak.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: BOINK! BOINK! BALLOONBOINK IN ALBUQUERQUE!
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:05:56 GMT
Organization: soc.singles

anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:
> WRONG!!!! I just got back from Phoenix on SAt. and I'll tell you, 
> the sunsets were definately NOT as nice there.  Very pretty,
> but lacking in the full colour spectrum of Albuquerque's.

     Ah.  So you've made a little trip to
one city (Phoenix) and seen a couple of
sunsets there, which makes you qualified
to make your firm correction of my judgment.

     Anyway, I hadn't meant to start an
argument and should have known better than
to make my provocative comment.  Although
I must say that either of the two sunsets 
beats the piss out of California's.

--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Ugly hands
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:26:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei

> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
> >Instead of distinct heart and head lines, I've got a simian crease,
> >one line running straight across from the radial to the ulnar edges.


That means you're a serial killer.


A friend-of-a-friend read the palms of a bunch of us a couple 
weeks back at lunch and explained that on the left hand on men and on
the right hand on women, a single unbroken line across the palm signifies
potential for great violence.

I was OK; mine was on the left side.  :-)

--
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay		                    lemay@sun.com
Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: hays@TECHNET.NM.ORG
Subject: Re: Exactly what I mean by "unattached"...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:57:24 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Technet   Albuquerque, NM
Reply-To: hays@TECHNET.NM.ORG

In article <1992Aug12.162950.5106@muppet.bt.co.uk>, bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim) writes:
>>Bingo, welcome to the pretender's club.  By the way, having a little
>>bit of success for a change really does work wonders.  Pretty soon
>>you're not "pretending" so much, about being self-assured.
>
>To a certain extent this kind of thing happens to me too. But not often
>enough:-( I think certainly there is as kind of perverse duality at work
>here. For initial contact with strangers, I still bleed though shy. It's
>only when they know me that they say "Why don't you get rid of this acting
>shy shit ?"

So pretend you're not initially shy, if it gets in your way.  Warning:  It's
terribly strongly self-reinforcing behavior.

>There's no pleasing some people. Plus the fact I doubt many people, esp.
>MOTAS  could handle "The real me" initially. 

That's THEIR problem, and here is where you are currently pretending,
and acting, by the way...

>Its kind of like breaking 
>them in gently :-)

No point in that.  Be who (what?) ever you are right from the start.  It's
not going to stay the same anyway, you'll change and there is more of you
than can be expressed in a single moment anyway.

Your sig mentions ministry, and I assume you find that music attractive.
Did ministry ever 'break anybody in gently'?  If they did, would you find
that attractive?

>Then again, when you're eating dust at some point later on, you think,
>"hell, Shoulda scared em off ages ago. Saved some downtime"

Exactly.  This is (IMHO) why women never react positively to nice guys who
are willing to make ENORMOUS lifestyle changes to accomodate thier tastes:
it's the line between finding who's best and finding who's desperately willing.

>---
>"be your own person"			ministry
>"you know you're in a mess"		living colour
>"stop looking out, start looking in"	van halen
>"somebody tell me what the hell is going on ?"      me,  more lucid than usual

"Take your own advice"

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Larry 'Purple' Hays                                       hays@technet.nm.org

   "Why are you running over to answer the phone?
    You're a dog, you don't even have opposable thumbs!"    - Larisa P.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: Bananas (was Re: Finding Romantic Partners
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:23:06 GMT

Bathsheba.Grossman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bathsheba Grossman) writes:
>Your words are before thousands of women Right Now, so...let's talk about
>bananas instead of statistics - we estrogen-brained bubbleheads think
>they're more fun.

Testosterone-brained bubbleheads think they're more fun too. A plain banana
by itself - yum.  Sliced up and put on your breakfast cereal - yum.
Sliced in half, covered with ice cream, whipped cream, nuts, chocolate sauce,
strawberry sauce ....  mmmm. In fact there's a Dairy Queen just up the street,
and it's lunch time :-)

	fred "Your dentist is your friend" walter
-- 
Disclaimer: everything I write is my *personal* opinion and does not represent
or reflect the opinion of the company which employs me.
From: wjb@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Bill Buse)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:58:56 GMT
Subject: Re: The Fine Line (was Re: Boink Blues)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO