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From: pc@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (pc)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Post office and DMV
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:12:08 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Aug14.164351.12085@aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>
>About the previous thread concerning the Post Office not forwarding DMV
>items: The DMV puts a DO NOT FORWARD caveat on their envelopes. It's
>not the Post Office's fault (amazing - SOMETHING they DON'T get blamed
>for!)

Figures.  The post office has definitely forwarded DMV type stuff to me.
And the stuff that they are supposed to forward usually gets lost.

pc
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From: David_Carl_Ehlert@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: radar alert
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:50:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

Hello....

Just a word of warning from a Tracy-Union City commuter, watch 580 and 
205 now.  There is now Radar in the CHP'ies cars and they are using it.


They hide on 580 coming down the Altamont into Tracy.


David Ehlert
From: raman@saturn.its.uci.edu (Balaji Ramanathan)
Subject: Re: Buying a used car -> sales tax
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:27:27 GMT

In article <8#6mdtn.dman@netcom.com> dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:
>In article <5477@transfer.stratus.com> leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com 
>(Mark Curtis) writes:
>
>: I don't understand why they think people should have to pay sales
>: tax on a used auto.  The original owner was already raped by them
>: when it was first purchased.
>
>
  (Lots of stuff deleted)

>No, I'm not happy with the current federal structure or with the
>idea of taxes in general.  But that's the reality, and I don't
>understand what's so novel about the circumstance you are
>complaining over.
>
  What is so novel is that there are states out there that manage to survive (and they
have budgets too :-)) without this sort of double taxation.
From: stephen@lsil.com (Stephen Lee 8941)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Where to Find "Fight Your Ticket" Book
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: stephen@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Microprocessor Group

In article dman@netcom.com, dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:
>chrisk@hercules.esd.sgi.com (Chris Kotsiopoulos) writes:
>>The new edition either just came out or will be coming out very soon.
>Many are not stocking the old in anticipation of this.
>
>You can call Nolo Press directly and charge it on your credit card:
>(800) 640-6656.
>
>Nolo is in Berkeley (950 Paraker St., 94710).  Their local number is
>(510) 549-1976.

The 800 number has been changed to (800)-992-6656.
Nolo Press is currently updating the book and it will
be available at the beginning of September.

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From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: radar alert
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:42:18 GMT
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <63904@cup.portal.com> David_Carl_Ehlert@cup.portal.com writes:
>Just a word of warning from a Tracy-Union City commuter, watch 580 and 
>205 now.  There is now Radar in the CHP'ies cars and they are using it.
>
>
>They hide on 580 coming down the Altamont into Tracy.
>
>
>David Ehlert

David -

It's my understanding (just a moment... there... nomex suit *on*) that the
CHP can *not* use radar on fed interstates, but only on local hiways and roads
where the local governments have provided the equipment.  (corrections 
welcomed).

What I *do* know for *sure*, 'cause I commute from Tracy to Alameda 5 days a 
week, is that the CHP uses airborne speed traps on 580 eastbound out of the
Altamont.  It's a loooong, smooth, downhill run that one must actively brake
on to avoid going over 55 - and at the bottom, the speed limit goes up to 65!

I'm always looking for a small airplane cruising over the pass - aircraft 
going into Livermore airport are usually a bit south of the pass - and I 
have my scanner checking both the CHP car repeater freq and the CHP air-to-
ground freq.  If the rat-packs are out there, I get hits on both frequencies
(just in case I wasn't looking up).

A note here.  I have *once* seen the CHP using airborne speed traps in the
commute direction, westbound, at the bottom *west* side of the Altamount.
The cause was heavy fog that covered everything else up, leaving just enough
of a hole at the bottom for them to track people.  'Twas my scanner that 
saved me that day!

Corrections welcomed.  Particularlly if anyone has hard evidence of the CHP
using radar on Federal Interstates...  (watch out, Willie Brown!).



kbq

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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Cancerous Radar
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:32:10 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

I meant to read more of it, but did not get a chance, so I don't have
any details.  So, has anybody read the latest and/or have any comment?

What I read was about the first paragraph or two of a newspaper article
about police complaining that their radar guns are causing them cancer.

Well, I may seem cynical, but I'm SO-OO-OO-OO SORRY about that!

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Don't go around saying the world owes you a living.  The world owes you
nothing.  It was here first.  -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: chu@freebie.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Subject: Re: Buying a used car -> sales tax
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:51:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.050915.2569@verity.com> Anders Wallgren <anders@verity.com> writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.210938.13926@aero.org> Robert S. Helfman,
>helfman@aero.org writes:
>>The tax rates (even taken as Federal, state, and local, together)
>are
>>still miniscule compared to almost any other industrial Western
>democracy.
>
>Excuse me, but after ~30% in federal income tax, ~20% in SS tax
>(counting employer contribution) and ~11% in CA state tax, plus
>various and sundry sales, disability, use and sin taxes, this is
>becoming less and less true.  Even Sweden is beginning to reform
>their evil ways...
>
>anders

Your applicable governing bodies (at least state and fed) have the
best institutionalized robbery going as far as your money is concerned:
You get taxed for anything that you do which involves money transactions.
When you work for a wage, there is an income tax from both these places.
Most of the things that you buy will incur a sales tax from your state.
The fed does not take a share of this, but the chunk that Cal takes is
pretty hefty.  This drives a lot of people to order big-ticket items
from out of state.  The state is trying to crack down on this, as they
did with people who bought cars from neighboring states and registered
them there.

Finally, if you should save what's left of your wage and manage to earn
interest on it, that get's taxed by both paries as well (hey, it's income!)

I don't know all the details of what happens when you die.  You don't
care, of course, but the tax collectors will likely be fighting over a
piece of your worldly possessions.

For all this taxing that they levy, you would think that they could at
least balance their budget or something complicated like that.

eyc
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Subject: Re: Post office and DMV
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:43:51 GMT

In article <183058@pyramid.pyramid.com> moliver@pyramid.com (Mike Oliver) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.201815.25340@informix.com> neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
>>
>>                                I noticed that my registration
>>was a bit late in arriving [...]  Turns out I was a few days late, and got
>>hit with that 40% late fee - $93!!!
>
>
>And be aware that the DMV tracks registration addresses separately from
>driving license addresses -- ie getting a new license with your new
>address doesn't mean they'll send your registration renewal to the new
>place.  Changing the registration address is a separate procedure.

The DMV has a single form on which you can change your drivers license
and vehicle registration addresses, as many as you want. (If you're
an Auto Club member, you can do this at their offices, directly into
the DMV's computer system.

About the previous thread concerning the Post Office not forwarding DMV
items: The DMV puts a DO NOT FORWARD caveat on their envelopes. It's
not the Post Office's fault (amazing - SOMETHING they DON'T get blamed
for!)


Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: svaldez@ocf.berkeley.edu (Steve Valdez)
Subject: Re: Where to Find "Fight Your Ticket" Book
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:13:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: tsunami.berkeley.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug19.205540.4992@odin.corp.sgi.com> chrisk@hercules.esd.sgi.com (Chris Kotsiopoulos) writes:
>I know the FAQ mentions this book, but I need to know where to get it soon.
>I have gone to several bookstores in the Mountain View area, like
>Tower Books, Crown Books, B Dalton, etc.
>and have yet to find this book in stock. Since I have a court date in
>a six weeks, I would like to hear if any of 
>you have seen this book in stock recently in any bookstore in Silicon
>Valley. 

It's been generally unavailable since they are in the process of 
printing a new (5th) edition-which should just about be hitting 
the stands about now...  Best thing to do is to go/call to the Nolo 
Press store here in Berkeley (510-555-1212 for their number and
then call for the address/order info) they sell their books for 10% off of list
and old editions for $5.00 (I got the 4th edition two weeks ago
when absolutely no one had it, at the store)
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Does the CHP still exist?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:18:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I recently drove from Cupertino, IOU to Merced, IOU, and then from there
up to Seattle, WA.  On the trip to Seattle, I don't think I was ever
under 65 MPH on I-5 -- I averaged 72 MPH for the whole trip, including
all non-freeway driving and rest stops, so I was speeding nearly all
the way.

The only evidence of CHP I could find was on the radio: the head of some
large CHP grouping was a guest on KGO.

Where are they?

--Tim Smith
From: rudomet@skat.usc.edu (Steve Rudometkin)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Road Debris Liablity?
Date: 20 Aug 1992 18:20:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

The following incident happened today as I was driving home:

The car in front of me ran over a muffler that was laying in the street.

The muffler flew about 10' in the air and hit my front windshield,
shattering one corner.

Now for the $64,00 question:
	Is life a bitch, and I am out a few hundred $
or
	Is is the other car liable?

I'm sure this has happens once in a while, so I'm sure somebody out there
has an answer.

Thanks,
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: RADAR ALERT on 101!
Summary: The misconceptions just won't go away...
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:28:48 GMT

In article <40110003@hpmwga.sr.hp.com> jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown) writes:
>Seems to me that the CHP has a nice little cherry patch going. I have heard
>of the CHP using radar now on the Golden GAte bridge. But this is "US" 101
>and technically not an interstate. Which by the way doesn't allow it to have
>65MPH status in the more unpopulated areas. 

Technically 101 is not an Interstate, but Interstate fund dollars have
been used for its construction and upgrades, at least in Southern
California (e.g. the recent Ventura Freeway projects in the San
Fernando Valley).  I would not be surprised to find the stretch in
question was also funded by Interstate dollars.

And quite some time ago California's speed laws were changed to allow
65 MPH limits on non-Interstate freeways.  A good example of this is
CA 14 in the Antelope Valley.

On another related thread: The only restriction on CHP use of radar is
funding.  There is no law anywhere that says the CHiPpies can't use
radar on any particular type of highway.  The Legislature has simply
refused to fund acquisition of radar guns for general use.  My
comments about the use of radar on freeways were an opinion that it
was next to useless in traffic, which is why I am so surprised to see
the CHP use it on 101 near Gilroy!

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Never mind the radar-absorbing bra... 
    where do I get radar-absorbing underwear?
From: greggd@ios.Convergent.COM (Gregg Donley)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Looking for 'pass or don't pay' smog check.
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:39:38 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Unisys/Convergent, San Jose, CA


Does anyone have any recomendations for 'pass or don't pay' smog checks in the
south bay?  Thanks,

greggd@ios.Convergent.COM
From: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM (D.O.A.)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Guilty until Proven Innocent
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com


Food for thought:


It [is] more beneficial that many guilty persons should escape
unpunished than one innocent person should suffer...because it is
of more importance...that innocence should be protected than it is
that guilt should be punished, for guilt and crimes are so
frequent in the world that all of them cannot be punished, and
many times they happen in such a manner that it is not of much
consequence to the public whether they are punished or not.  But
when innocence itself is brought to bar and condemned...the
subject will exclaim, "it is immaterial to me whether I behave
well or ill, for virtue itself is no security."  And if such a
sentiment as this should take place in the mind of the subject
there would be an end to all security whatsoever.

                                            -John Adams


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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: john@storcon.UUCP (John Hunley)
Subject: Guilty until Proven Innocent?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:09:19 GMT
Organization: Storage Concepts, Inc.
Keywords: court


I had the "pleasure" of attending traffic court the other day, and it seemed
apparent that the principle of "Innocent until Proven Guilty" has long ago been
abandoned, at least in traffic court (this was in Fullerton, CA, BTW).  Each
police officer would testify, "I observed the defendant doing so-and-so," and then the burden of proof shifted to the defendant to "prove" his innocence.  I saw many defendants testify that the officer's testimony was not correct, some even producing evidence, but the judge always believed the officer and assumed the defendant was lying.
From: yso@chem.ucsd.edu (Yeong Soo Oh)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: car
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:05:59 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: RADAR ALERT on 101!
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:20:49 GMT


A week ago Friday night, as I was starting a business trip to San
Diego, I was amazed and appalled at the number of CHP Mustangs
carrying K-band radar on the stretch of 101 roughly between San Jose
and Salinas.  On the return trip late last night, I also picked up one
K-band source north of Gilroy, but did not get close enough to ID it.

Fortunately (for the moment), it's continuous K-band, and not
instant-on -- but since I've seen CHPpies use instant-on in places
like Highway 17, I wouldn't put it past them.

Needless to say the CHP is also able to catch speeders without radar;
but with a radar detector, the ones using it are easier to find.  Just
don't depend on the detector as your only way to spot the revenue
officers.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Not a stockholder in the radar detector industry
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Subject: Re: Buying a used car -> sales tax
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:25:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.050915.2569@verity.com> Anders Wallgren <anders@verity.com> writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.210938.13926@aero.org> Robert S. Helfman,
>helfman@aero.org writes:
>>The tax rates (even taken as Federal, state, and local, together)
>are
>>still miniscule compared to almost any other industrial Western
>democracy.
>
>Excuse me, but after ~30% in federal income tax, ~20% in SS tax
>(counting employer contribution) and ~11% in CA state tax, plus
>various and sundry sales, disability, use and sin taxes, this is
>becoming less and less true.  Even Sweden is beginning to reform
>their evil ways...

The 33% (it's not 30%) top marginal tax rate only applies to the last dollars
of your income, not the whole thing. There are three brackets,
and each rate is applied for a portion of the income. Nobody, not even the
richest person, pays the full marginal rate on their WHOLE income.
The same applies for the 11% state top marginal rate.
From: alehecka@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (MERLIN )
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Guilty until Proven Innocent?***
Keywords: court
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:41:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Bt9FBJ.CGu@storcon.uucp> john@storcon.UUCP (John Hunley) writes:
>
>I had the "pleasure" of attending traffic court the other day, and it seemed
>apparent that the principle of "Innocent until Proven Guilty" has long ago been
>abandoned, at least in traffic court (this was in Fullerton, CA, BTW).  Each
>police officer would testify, "I observed the defendant doing so-and-so," and then the burden of proof shifted to the defendant to "prove" his innocence.  I saw many defendants testify that the officer's testimony was not correct, some even producing evidence, but the judge always believed the officer and assumed the defendant was lying.

This is exactly my experience.  Recently, I had to go to a traffic
court and the whole scenario resembled a cangaroo court.  I felt
really bad about the outcome of my case and so stayed whole morning.
Not a one case was won by defendants.  
	Yet, I still believe that we should plead not guilty no
mather what happened, then present the case to a judge.  If enough
poeople do that,  the whole system will get clogged up and counties
will have to change their money-extorting policies. 

					AUGUSTINE
Newsgroups: ca.driving

   I avoided 'use' tax (sales tax) on a used vehicle because:
Technically speaking you only pay the tax when reregistering the car to a
new owner, no matter how many times the vehicle changed hands.  So I bought
a used car from the registered owner.  I sold it to a friend.  He sold it
back to me and gave me a reciept.  Can I help it if my friend is a pigeon
and sold my a $10,000 car for $500?
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From: troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Front license plates
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:10:33 GMT
Followup-To: ca.driving
Organization: Right Coast HQ For Stupid Pub Tricks
In-reply-to: kk@mcnc.org's message of 30 Jul 92 03:24:05 GMT


In the NJ DMV's drivers guide they list the specs on where
the front and rear plates can be mounted.

They also state that obstructing the view of the plate is a violation.
So, turning the plate backwards would be considered obstruction
of view.

Rod
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From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: Barefoot = lawbreaker?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:02:20 GMT

I went to traffic school once. It was taught by a retired
CHP officer. He relates the story once of a car full of teenagers
leaving the beach. One of them in the back seat gave him the
highway salute when they passed, so he pulled them over.
He noted that the driver wasn't wearing shoes, so he decided
to write him up for it. He didn't know the CVC number, so he
whipped out his book to look it up. After five minutes he gave
up.

The moral: Everyone thinks it's illegal, but there isn't anything
in the book about it at all. As for it once being illegal, who
ever heard of a government giving up even the slightest aspect
of control over the people? :-)

-- 
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Guilty until Proven Innocent?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:19:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

You've described the same procedure used in non-traffic court.  The
prosecution makes their case, then the defense responds.  It has nothing
to do with "innocent until proven guilty."  
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