From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
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Organization:  One of these days.
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
	<92095.191851EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
	<1992Apr6.144016.1226@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:21:58 -0600

In <1992Apr13.200515.15958@cis.ohio-state.edu>, Ted Brown writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.144016.1226@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs3ca3au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Conan the Barbarian) writes:
>>In article <92095.191851EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Carlos Varela <EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>
>>The price ends up being something like $2500 for the Unix operating system,
>>a 130Meg 17ms access time HD.  This is on top of the price of a TT.  It was
>>hooked up to a 19 inch monochrome monitor.  I'm not sure if the big screen
>>was part of a deal or not.
>
>It was $2500!  Please tell me this is a misprint!  If I add the price of a
>TT (or even just $800) I could have a NeXT, just a little more and I could
>have a NeXTStation Turbo with a 400Mg HD (that's about $4500 ed.).  Of course
>at "list" price for the NeXT, the Atari Unix price looks better.
    ^^^^^
     Thanks for being one of the few who doesn't immediately start 
comparing other companies "educational" prices.
    Also, I understand Atari's Unix, though still a tad slow on the
mouse handling and stuff for graphic applications, is still constiderably
quicker that the NeXT OS, especially the original 030 version. A friend
of mine who does DTP tried a 040 NeXT running pagemaker in 32 bit colour
mode at a recent show. He basically said you couldn't pay him enough to use
the system as it is now. Appearntly the lag time between clicking and 
anything actually happening was frustratingly long. He said the original
mac was faster( of course that was mono)
    The original poster should have pointed out that this is Atari's price
for the development version of Atari's Unix, which includes compilers, 
documentation, and Xfacemaker, appearantly a very nicely designed resource
builder for the Motif based interface they're using. My informant said
it was a 230 meg hd with the option to get a 4 or 500 meg instead. The unix 
comes preinstalled, which anyone who has set up SCO or a similar add on
Unix would appreciate. 
    As a direct comparison, does anyone know the going price for SCO's 
Open Desktop with all development utilities requiired to do X based 
application development. This system comes on a huge number of floppys
and takes 6-8 hours to install, and based on my feed site's experience, 
several weeks to tune to a reasonable reliable system. What is this 
worth to people to avoid.( Assuming the preinstalled Unix from Atari
comes tuned nicely out of the box)

>
>Did they say weather they had the ability to run ST/TT programs in a window
>while running UNIX?
>
    Atari has consistantly said they have no plans to do this in house. I'd
imagine thay'd be willing to help any developer who thought there was 
enough of a market for this in implimenting it.
    I don't think Atari expects a mass migration of the last Atari users 
left here to go to Unix. I can't imagine 99% of the people I know who 
use Ataris wanting to go to Unix. Most can't even figure out how to use 
Mint.

-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)

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