Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: re: Sixth Season Spoilers
From: <DFE100@psuvm.psu.edu> Tracy A. Freeling
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:47:17 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

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In <1992Jul27.225736.27385@midway.uchicago.edu>, arxt@quads.uchicago.edu
(Aidan Palmer) said:

>       Scott couldn't have been on the Bozeman, since it was lost in 2277,

I believe that when Picard asks Kelsey Grammer's character what year it is,
the answer he receives is 2278.  (I checked Vidiot's episode guide, and he
also gives 2278.)

>which put it before Star Trek VI.  Why? In "Journey to Babel", Sarek gives his
>age as 102.  In Sarek, he gives his age as 202.  Now, since in "The Neutral
>Zone" the year is given as 2364, "Sarek" would occur in 2368 and "Journey to

Actually..._Sarek_ was a 3rd season episode so the year would have been 2366.

               1st season - 2364 [as given is last episode, _The Neutral Zone_]
               2nd season - 2365
               3rd season - 2366
               4th season - 2367
               5th season - 2368

This suggests that Sarek was born in 2164, which in turn implies that _Journey
to Babel_, a 2nd season episode, took place in 2266.

>Babel" and first-season Star Trek would be in 2268.  In Star Trek II, Khan says
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See above....

>that it has been fifteen years since he was left on Ceti Alpha Five by Kirk,
>which was in the first-season episode "Space Seed".  This would put Star Trek
>II (and Star Trek III and Star Trek IV, since the Enterprise still has scars
>from the battle in the Mutara nebula in III and IV occurs three months after
>III according to Kirk's log entry at the beginning of the movie) in 2283.

By my math, if Khan was exactly right on dates...then STII:TWoK took place
in 2280.

>And according to the novelization of Star Trek VI, it is about ten years after
>The Final Frontier, putting it in 2293 or 2294.  So unless the Scotty in
>Star Trek II-VI wasn't the real Scotty, the Bozeman theory is out.


Oh, no!!!!  Are you trying to start a "canon" debate?!  As you must know
a lot of the stuff that shows up in the novelizations of the movies doesn't
show up on screen.  Just because the author of a novelization says something
doesn't mean it is "true".  Otherwise, we would have to believe that Kirk
was married to Lorrie Ciana at the end of his 5 year mission, that she
was killed in the same transporter accident as Cmdr. Sonak (the Enterprise's
science officer under Captain Decker)...this would mean that James T. was
pretty cold blooded about the death of his wife, 'cause he does not respond
on film the way that he does in the book.  We would also have to believe
that Kirk and Carol Marcus were all set to settle down together at the end
of STVI:TUC...'cause that's what the novelization SAYS.  Need I say more...

But o.k....for the moment let's say that STVI:TUC occurs 10 years after
STV:TFF.  That would mean approximately 2290.  2368-2290 = 78 years.
Data says in _Cause & Effect_ that the Soyuz class ship hasn't been
used in 80 years...so this is approximately o.k...Except for the fact
that the Boseman's captain tells Picard that the date is 2278.  So
either this completely eliminates this possibility (on how Scotty gets
to the future) as you say or the writers could ignore this chronology--it
wouldn't be the first time that they did that--and we would have YATI.

If a post-TUC Scotty is out...I suppose Scotty could be from pre-TWoK.
I mean we don't know that Scotty definitely wasn't on the Boseman in
2278.   How he could get back to his proper time in order to take part in
the events chronicled in STII-STVI, I don't know.

BTW...I don't think that any of this is likely to occur ... I was just
pointing out the inconsistencies in your own argument. :)

Too bad...this scenario doesn't fit with the dates...it would be a clever
way to bring Scotty back with out resorting to the holodeck, the
Guardian of Forever, etc.


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