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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Fangs for the Memories
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:05:04 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <Bxtz9z.EwJ@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>What with all the hype for the new Bram Stoker Dracula movies, I am
>reminded of the best vampire flick ever made, to wit Near Dark. The
>setting was contemporary, and the characters hair raising. The cast had a
>large overlap with the Aliens 2 movie, Lance Henrikson, Jenette Goldstien,
>and the guy who played Hudson in Aliens (can't remember his name).

   The manic Bill Paxton.  I think one of the most engagingly
   energetic actors there is.


>
>Sound track was terrific, good notes from Tangeren Dream.
>

   Tangerine Dream also does the music for _Miracle Mile_; 
   the moods in both movies owe a lot to TD.  TD gave MM an
   incredibly bleak feel; I got the impression of implacable
   sinisterness in ND because of TD.


   Wayne
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: RISING SUN (was RE: Jurassic Park Spoiler)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:54:24 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Nov16.181843.26673@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, 
hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Ttewelb C.L. Dlanod) writes:
> ThompsonMR@uk.ac.aston.spock (Mark Thompson) writes:

> :       Currently shooting Philip Kaufman's thriller The Rising Sun, Opposite
> :Sean Connery, Harvey Keitel, and Wayne's World babe Tia Carrere, piping hot
> :workaholic Wesly Snipes is slated to play Hollywood's first black superhero,
> :The Black Panther, about an African King, who morphs into a black panther to
> :perform heroic deeds...

> It seems someone didn't notice that there was more than one book called
> Rising Sun (or The Rising Sun).  This is obviously not the same book, so all
> debate is moot. 

I hope I can clear this up.  I think what is trying to be said in the *first*
quotation is that:

Wesly Snipes (who will be in Rising Sun, blah, blah, blah) is ALSO slated to 
play The Black Panther.  (Based on the Marvel comic book hero of the same name,
but doesn't turn into a panther, just has the strength and agility of one)

Does this make any more sense to you?  So there is only one _Rising Sun_ film,
which is indeed based on the Michael Crichton novel.  The Black Panther project
is something else entirely.  (But sounds pretty cool)

Greg Bole                                   "For blood is the life!"
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu          Gary Oldman in _Bram Stoker's Dracula_
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From: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon)
Subject: Re: the big blue
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:19:37 GMT


In article 1e1v7hINN89h@werple.apana.org.au, hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes:


>What is the difference with the ending? I'm very curious - that version
>has (probably thankfully) never been seen in Australia, even though Fox
>handled it here as well...
>

In the Us version, you can see Jacques Mayol going back to the surface afer he met the dolphin.

In the European (at least French) version, he still met the dolphin, follows the dolphin a little
but and the movie ends there.
It's not shown if Jacques returns to the surface. We can suppose he drowns in order to be near his
good friend Enzo, who died earlier by diving too far.

But really, what is bad in the US version in the Conti's music. The music for the French version
is a LOT better (Music from Eric Serra), I have the CD at home and am still listenning this CD.
This is a wondwerful music, and I think (but I am not sure ) that Eric Serra won the cesar for this
music.

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From: keenstev@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Keen)
Subject: The Bodyguard
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:40:12 GMT

Has anyone heard any advance word on The Bodyguard with Whitney Houston
and Kevin Costner?
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From: dberman@cs.washington.edu (Deborah Berman)
Subject: Re: Dracula
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:42:18 GMT

In article <26759@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.122624.25432@osf.org>, buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) writes:
>> In article <26562@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Margaret Newman,
>> margaret@cs.arizona.edu writes:
>> >I have a question on vampires not having a reflection in mirrors.
>> Wouldn't their clothes, hats, etc... show?  Or is it easier in film (movies,
>> 
>> The vampire cast no reflection because it has no soul.  Some

>I understand all about the vampire not having a soul, and so not having
>a reflection.  What I wanted to know is: why don't their clothes show up?

>margaret

So, my question is whether Dracula has a soul.  In this movie (the only
Dracula movie I have seen), I think the answer is yes.  Mina brings out
his soul.  What other explanation can we find for the fact that he wines
and dines her, woos her, and then decides not to eternally damn her with
the same curse he has been eternally damned with (in fact, gives up his
own life for this), other than him actually having a soul.  I don't think
many would argue with me if I say that Dracula loves Mina.  And to love
another requires a soul.

Deb

-- 
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend...
   Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  (Groucho Marx)
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From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.postmodern,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:45:06 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <tjk5.32.721953515@po.cwru.edu> tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:
>>
>>As far as I know, PG's latest film (1991) was `Prospero's Books', 
>>based on `The Tempest'. (Not one of his best, IMHO).
>>
>>BTW, Did his fairly wonderful `Dante's Inferno' ever reach the US?
>>
>Not to my knowledge, is that a full length feature? (I had thought that I'd
>seen all of his features films-and a number of his shorts). What year was
>_The Cook the trief his wife and her lover_ made? I believe that it was
>'90 ?? _Drowning By Numbers_ may have been produced at about the same time??
>_Drowning By Numbers_ is one of my favorites--especially all of the little
>pieces that refer to his early films....

Drowning by Numbers was made before TCTTTWHL. can't remember dates
tho'.

`Dante's Inferno' was a set of ten (?) (sorry, my memory is a bit vague
on this one) shortish films which together make a telling of the
first two (?) cantos of the Inferno. It was another Dutch/English
co-production, made around 1989. The work was made with artist
Tom Phillips, who has made a new translation & illustrations.
[ I recommend his `A Humument: A treated Victorian novel' highly]

`DI' uses similar framing techniques to the later Prospero's Books, but
adds in visual `footnotes' by living experts, commenting on Dante's
tale (all very metafictional and post-modern, no doubt :-)

Also forgot to mention a work PG did on Mozart - can't remember the
title, but it was alliterative, with lots of `M's.

>-Tim Kordas
>kordas@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu

john N (whose favourite PG films are some of the shorts, like
`A Walk through H', Drowning By Numbers, & TDC, & who
 hasn't yet seen `The Falls')


-- 
john nicoll (jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics  University of York
Heslington   YORK YO1 5DD U.K
NEW PHONE! Tel +44 (904) 433221   Fax +44 (904) 432335
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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: DRACULA: How was it ????
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:11:42 GMT


well, people...

one word: DRACULA: How was it? How ws it? How come nobody's
talking about it yet? Will anyone who has seen it please post some
thing quick !!!

(can you tell i've been waiting for this film a long long time? It
doesn't open her until next month )

;)
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From: aberman@cs.washington.edu (Andrew Berman)
Subject: Re: Dracula
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:22:06 GMT

In article <26759@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.122624.25432@osf.org>, buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) writes:
>> In article <26562@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Margaret Newman,
>> margaret@cs.arizona.edu writes:
>> >I have a question on vampires not having a reflection in mirrors.
>> Wouldn't their clothes, hats, etc... show?  Or is it easier in film (movies,
>> 
>> The vampire cast no reflection because it has no soul.  Some

>I understand all about the vampire not having a soul, and so not having
>a reflection.  What I wanted to know is: why don't their clothes show up?

Well, I'll take a stab at it:

	Who says their clothing is any more than part of the manifestation
of the vampire itself?  A vampire changes from wolf to mist to bat to rats,
why not to a fully clothed human?


>It's just a silly question that has roaming my brain for years.  When I
>write my vampire novel I will have the clothes show up, but not the body.
>margaret


Andrew Berman


-- 
Andrew P. Berman           |  "I have no idea what White House statement was
Dept. of Computer Science  |  was issued, but I stand by it 100 percent"
University of Washington   |    -- Richard Darman
aberman@cs.washington.edu  |
From: spongebo@cithara.uucp (THE EYE-BALL KID)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: DAVID LYNCH\DUNE
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:11:16 EST
Organization: Local Testbed for network mail, we trust!

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> In article <996.39.uupcb@hal9000.UUCP>, george.bruner@hal9000.UUCP (George
> Bruner) wrote:
> > but I think his [Lynch] style of filmmaking
> > is not suited to sci-fi. I would have liked to have seen some sort of TV
> > mini-series -- a string of two hour segments -- done by a Spielberg or
> 
> Neither Lucas nor Speilberg would have been appropriate, though
> more so than David Lynch.  
> 
> Ridley Scott - *he* would have been appropriate.           

Actually there IS a four hour TV version of DUNE, which is a combination 
of Lynch's original cut, and D.DeLuarentis's editors. Lynch took his name 
off it.

I'm not sure who owuld be most capable of rendering DUNE in ANY format. 
Although Scott is good with the pictures, I think he'd miss a lot of the 
subtext in the novels. 

However, DUNE would make a magnificent TV Mini-series. Having just 
re-read the books, and knowing a little about TV writing, they are 
structualy very tight. The narrative is economical, and most of the 
chapters could remain intact within a TV format -- no gratuitous 
violence, sex or language. And with the SPFX technology on the horizon 
today (Speilberg has just bought himself a batery of VIDEO TOASTERS!) it 
wouldn't be as expensive as "War and Rememberance".

But Directors? Who knows.

One thing I have always maintained thought -- DAVID LYNCH should've 
directed "BATMAN". I think Tim Burton is one of the most over-rated 
directors on this planet at the moment. (I'll be that gets me nailed).

Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

spongebo%cithara@comback.login.qc.ca
From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:57:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov16.125708.19680
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
  >Exterior filming on Jurassic park took place on the Hawaiian 
  >island of Kauai. As the eye of
  >the hurricane passed overhead, Spielburg and other brave souls stepped
  >outside to experience the strange calm and exotic clouds that inhabit
  >the eye of a hurricane.

OK, so out of my naivete, what is exactly wrong with stepping out of your
place for a few minutes to catch the eye of a storm?

I always thought that they were a totally guaranteed, beautiful calm.
What risks was Spielberg taking?
I'd probably do it also, just to see it.  And given his penchant towards
the 'wonders' of life, there was probably no way to stop him, if it
were such the spectacle.

Just curious.
-- 
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 Vmark Software, Inc., 30 Speen Street, Framingham, MA  01701, USA
 Internet: uvmark!scholl@merk.com, UUCP: uunet!merk.com!uvmark!scholl
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:09:43 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov18.212243.27945@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>
>> By the way, if people are skipping his films because they don't like
>> Lee personally, you are missing some very good films.  Regardless of
>> whether you agree with him, Lee is a talented filmmaker whose films 
>> don't resemble anyone else's.  There is strong artistic merit in Lee's
>> films, and those serious about film are making a mistake if they skip
>> his films.
>
>I've seen a few of his films (_Do_The_Right_Thing_, _Mo'_Better_Blues_,
>and _Jungle_Fever_) and have to disagree with you.  While they were
>interesting to watch, I wouldn't have minded missing them.  I watch
>a lot of movies and will probably see _Malcom_X_ eventually, but I
>won't go out of my way to see it.
>
>If you don't agree Spike Lee's public opinions, chances are fairly good
>that you won't like his movies.  His movies incorporate a lot of very
>stylistic elements and uniquely innovative techniques.  I could really
>get into them if it weren't for his in-your-face, shove-it-down-your-throat
>style of preaching in these movies.  It's also blatantly obvious that
>the movies were written and directed by a black person, and I think
>there's a lot more to life than that.  His movies reflect (and encourage)
>thinking in very limited terms.

My interpretation was different.  I liked Do the Right Thing primarily
because it seemed to show a balanced picture.  Radio Raheem (sp?), for
instance, was really an annoying character to Sal.  However, he had a
point about what he perceived as a slight to the black community.  And
Sal had a point, too, but although he was legally right, he was being
rude to his customers and the community.  Then things got out of hand.

I see this even-handedness as a nice contrast to Lee's public personna
of race-baiting, and find it hard to believe that he is as defensive
and knee-jerk inside as his publicity would have you believe.  He may
be doing it for dramatic effect to get his points across.

GMS
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From: vaughan@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (jake vaughan)
Subject: Re: Dracula - Francis Ford Coppola
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:09:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.181328.20755@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>>Finally, the picture
>> quality on a laserdisc is far better then anything that you willl see in a movie theatre.  Take it from me, I have done my homework and laserdisc quality surpasses anything I've ever seen.
>
>Then they must have piss-poor theaters in your area.  None of the laserdisk
>and big screen TV's I've seen demoed can compare with the picture quality of
>a half-decent theater.  And a lot of theaters around here are considerably
>better than half-decent.  The picture quality of the best theaters in LA
>make the best laserdisk player shown on the best TV look pitiful.  As far as 
>surround sound goes, I regard it as tertiary in importance, not even secondary.
>In addition to which, the best theaters in Los Angeles *do* have genuine
>surround sound.

The fact _is_ that a laserdisc image scans 425 lines of resolution on a television screen (vcr is 250 for comparison) and a film at the theater is being projected from a small piece of film and being blown up to an enormous size creating a grainy picture at best.  Sure, I prefer a huge screen to a 40 inch television screen but I also prefer a sharper image.  An interesting fact about the sound at theaters is that the sound is recorded on the edge of the film and to read it they shine a light through this. 



 Whatever light makes it through is transformed into sound.  Compare this to the digital quality sound from a laserdisc and you get a low fidelity sound system.

	Jake

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From: hsiao@mojave.eel.ufl.edu (Jerry Hsiao)
Subject: Can you identify this song?
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:28:15 GMT

If anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

There is this song going over in my head after seeing Dracula. It was in the preview for A Few Good Men. The music has also been used in the trailer for Shining Through (w/Melanie Griffith) and the trailer for School Ties (w/Brandon Fraser as a persecuted Jewish college student).

I was wondering if anyone could identify the music whether it be from a actual piece of classical music or from another movie's soundtrack. If so try to mail me as I don't read this group too often.

Thanks
						Jerry Hsiao
						hsiao@sioux.eel.ufl.edu

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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Dracula filming question
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:13:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Nov15.200944.18907@cis.ohio-state.edu> fontana@apache.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana) writes:
>In article <BxroG1.JEw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin) writes:
>
>>I've heard from several places that all the effects in Dracula were done
>>before camera, with no computer's.  Is this true?  And is there some
>>kind of documented source to prove it?
>
>
>There are some excellent articles about Dracula in last month's
>American Cinematographer.  Indeed, many of the effects WERE done in camera.
>Especially interesting was the fact that for those jittery, flickering
>shots from Dracula's POV as he makes his way to Lucy's room, for example,
>they used an old Pathe camera hand-cranked at 18 fps.  Lots of fun, and
>a neat effect.
>
>

Good information, Mark. I myself was especially impressed by
the sequence that looks like a hand-tinted vintage film of
fin-de-siecle London street life; I was almost convinced by
its authentic look until Gary Oldman hove into sight.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Subject: Re: Extended versions on T.V.   (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:59:39 GMT


In article <1ee7g3INN5s8@bigboote.WPI.EDU>  writes:
>In article <1e97k1INNmlf@eagle.natinst.com> darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie) writes:
>>In article <17517@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Hutchins) writes:
>>>This may seem a bit ambitious but I would like to know what movies
>>>(especially science fiction films) have appeared on television with extra
>>>footage. I know both Star Trek II and Aliens have been on t.v. with extra
>>
>>The first Superman movie had extra footage when he was going to Lex Luthor's
>>hideout he walked thru fire and other obstacles to get to Lex which was not
>>shown in the movie.
>
>	I have seen the first 3 Superman movies on television with extra
>footage.  Quite a bit actually.  I'm not sure about the 4th one, but the others
>had at least 10 minutes each added to them.

	The video cult favorite Fandango (starring Kevin Costner in his first 
film, I believe (not counting his hand in The Big Chill), Judd Nelson and Sam 
Robards had extra footage put in for the Network version and not the cable 
versions.  This extra footage involved swimming in a swimming hole somewhere 
in the Hill Country of Texas.  I have probably seen this movie too many times 
because I have a friend who starred in it (not one of the above mentioned) and 
he was surprised when I told him about the extra footage.  He never knew it 
was added.

Joe Barrus (barrus@cod.nosc.mil)



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From: tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.postmodern,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:28:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62144.student.cwru.edu
Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque

In article <1992Nov17.015003.25620@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
>From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
>Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
>Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:50:03 GMT
>Answering a question about years, Drowning By Numbers was produced
>in 1987, but not released in the US til 1991, after Cook, Thief, etc.
>hit it (relatively) big in 1989 or 90, depending on whether or not you
>lived in a "big" city, or a little backwash town like Columbus,
>Ohio! :-l
>
>--Michael

Last year up here in Cleveland, Ohio the Cleveland Cinematheque had a Peter
Greenaway weekend they showed the following:

A walk through H
Vertical Features Remake
The Falls
The Draughtsman's Contract
Belly of an Architect
ZOO: a zed and two noughts
Drowning by Numbers
The Cook the thief his wife and her lover
Prospero's Books


And for $20 you could see them all (I did--Greenaway burnout, I had some
pretty twisted dreams for weeks afterward--and LOVED it)

And this fall the Cinematheque showed a few of Greenaway's earlier shorts:
Windows
H is for house
Dear phone
Water Wrackets
Intervals

I was less impressed with the shorts (particularly _Intervals_) but I did
really enjoy Water Wrackets....



-Tim Kordas
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From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: Re: The Draftsman's Contract
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:44:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.221030.13322@csc.ti.com> a909486@tiuk.ti.com writes:
>On the subject of Greenaway, I have never seen this film on video anywhere
>in England. Anybody know where I can get hold of it ?
>
>I think Prospero's Books can only be enjoyed properly if you are familiar
>with The Tempest. Otherwise you haven't got a hope of following it.
>
>Julian Jones
>Software Engineer
>Texas Instruments
>England
>
>
Not true. Many people that I know who have both read the book (several times) 
AND seen the movie could both follow it and still say that it was over-produced
garbage.
Elena
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