HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Venality and patriotism (was Re: Lets follow the way of Brazil)
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:15:57 GMT

Rolling back a bit on this thread:  While I agree venality is definitely undesirable,
I sensed a feeling, voiced fairly often in our age of investigative journalism, 
equating venality with anti-patriotism and treachery.  I'm reading a superb biography
of Alexander of Macedonia by the author-historian Peter Green, where says that Philip
did not make the mistake of underestimating the patriotism of some very corrupt statesmen
of rival states.  An interesting observations, for there are several figures patriotic 
figures in history who were quite corrupt -- Themistocles, Danton, innumerable Athenian
statesmen.  And who were a damn sight better for their nation than those who crusaded
against them and defeated them -- Robespierre, Themistocle's rivals etc.

To understand corruption, morality and intrigue in the ancient Indian context, I 
recommend Vishnugupta's "Mudrarakshasa" (P. Lal's translation, though not brilliant, 
is very good).  The Indian part of Gore Vidal's "Creation" is enjoyable and
illuminative too. 

Regards,
Sanjiva

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: koushika@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: LOOKING FOR WILFRED PINTO AT LOYALA UNIV. AT CHICAGO
Reply-To: koushika@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:23:08 GMT

Hi! I am looking for Wilfred a grand senior of mine at MSU Baroda. 
I have a package for him from a friend of his. I have tried contacting
him on telephone- it seems he has moved. If anyone who knows him sees
this message will you please ask him to contact me either by 
   E-mail KOUSHIKA@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
   Tel no. 617-736-7085
Thanks for your help
SANDHYA KOUSHIKA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science 
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 16:22:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.124531.30546@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>> Why was Muhammed (pbuh) chosen?  What qualities did he have that
>> God decided to give him so much knowledge.  God must have known
>> that he won't be able to understand them, why not choose some one
>> who can understand these theories, because to explain them to
>> people you have to understand them first.
>> 
>> Manoj
>
>Why ask 'Why'?
>
>Why does the earth rotate around the sun?;
>Why is the sky blue?; Why?; Why?; Why?; ....

[goes on in this vein]

>	On the authority of Abu Huraira 'Abd ar-Rahman ibn
>Sakhr (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the 
>Messenger of Allah (may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon
>him) say:
>
>	What I have forbidden to you, avoid; what I have ordered 
>	you [to do], do as much of it as you can.  It was only their
>	excessive questioning and thier disagreeing with their 
>	Prophets that destroyed those who were before you.
>
>	It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.

Just one question.  When does questioning become 'excessive', and at which
point does lack of questioning result in a closed mind?  (so it was a two
parter; sue me)


Khudahafiz

Yasmin


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Re: Sonia And Dual Citizenship (Was Re: Inclusion of child in the pare
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:18:46 GMT

In article <92274.155816U51935@uicvm.uic.edu> Sesha Talluri <U51935@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.232943.5591@usl.edu>, sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
>says:
>>
>>
>>[deleted]
>>
>>Oh, that indeed is sssssscary... Do we have another Indira Gandhi
>
>Boy are you a BIG S(pu)SSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYY      :)
>

Well, let me say one thing ---- if you write obscenities 
like the one you have written above, it really does not
reflect on me in any way. It only reflects on _your_
intellect, your maturity and your culture.

>>in the making ?
>>
>>It might appear to some of us that the Nehru Dynasty has done so much
>>damage to our country that things possibly couldn't go worse than what
>>they are now. But the Dynasty seems to be having other ideas...
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Man!!! Are you a fortune teller or what???

Well, I am not. What I feel is just a hunch. It is possible
that I might be wrong. As long back as in the late 60's I felt that
the Nehru dynasty might ruin our country. But now, when I look
at these ----

1. The peace in Punjab, 
2. The calm in Kashmir, 
3. The tranquillity in Tamilnadu, 
4. The strength of our economy, 
5. The "commanding heights" (sic) attained by our public sector, 
6. The efficiency of our bureaucracy,
7. The soundness of our democratic institutions, 
8. The trust that our people have in our police force 
   and in our courts, 

...etc. etc., I realize how wrong I was ;-)

>You seem to know what the book is all about, without reading it
>(ofcourse you advice people not to read it, without reading it)
>AND...Now you know of their plans.
>

To the best of my knowledge, we are not discussing about
any book whatsoever in this thread. So your observations
about the "book" are irrelevant here.

>>HELP !!
>>
>I hope someone does.....NOT!!!! :)
>

Well, if you haven't got it yet, let me say now that I did not ask for 
any help  for myself. I meant to say "Help my country!!"... 
I hope you got it at least now.

>sesha
>>
>>-- Sudhi.

Regards,

--Sudhi.


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu    Address : USL PO Box 41688,
                          	                    Lafayette, LA 70504-1688.
	                                            USA.
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: Sonia And Dual Citizenship (Was Re: Inclusion of child in the parent's passport)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.175325.23619@informix.com> vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri) writes:
>In article <19qv5sINN3ha@overload.lbl.gov> prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:

[deleted]
>>	BTW, I heard Rahul is studying Political Science in Harvard.
>>	Is he planning to do some more damage in a few years time ??
>>	Anyone know/heard_of/care what he is up to ??
>
>	As far as my knowledge goes, he is doing Engineering. Priyanka
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
>	is studying political science.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

Oh, that indeed is sssssscary... Do we have another Indira Gandhi 
in the making ?

It might appear to some of us that the Nehru Dynasty has done so much 
damage to our country that things possibly couldn't go worse than what 
they are now. But the Dynasty seems to be having other ideas...

HELP !!

>	Sudhakar Vemuri
>>
>>	Prem!

-- Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ROOM FOR RENT
Date: 6 Oct 1992 18:22:46 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov

 In article <1asejaINNfk6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> pxm22@po.CWRU.Edu (Prakash Mandgi) writes:
 >
 >Two Indian students are looking for a third roommate. The apt is located at
 >cleveland hts 15 min walk form case western reserve University, Cleveland.
 >The apt is a three bedroom apt. Rent include`s utilites such as heat and hot
 >water.  Kitchen top and refrigerator also present. Monthly rent $200 plus 
 >an initial deposit of $200.
 >	Queries should be addressed to mandgi@moprh.ebme.

	Okay. Here is a query...... 
	Why the heck are you posting this all over the place ?? 
	
	Do you think folks like me, in Berkeley, are seeking information 
	about housing availability in Cleveland-where-is-it-Ohai-yo ??
	Apart from anything else, it would be a pretty long commute.

	For local-interest articles, PLEASE restrict the distribution to
	your local area. If you don't know how to do this, ask your system
	admin.

______________________________________________________________________________

				THIS IS A FLAME
______________________________________________________________________________

 Dear
    [ ] asshole [ ] fag         [*] ignorant snot       [ ] prick
    [ ] nerd    [ ] Elvis       [ ] lonely masturbator  [ ] computer geek
    [ ] retard  [ ] sycophant   [ ] Ed Crick

 You are being flamed because 

    [ ] you continued a boring useless stupid thread
    [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to
    [ ] you posted a "test"
    [ ] you posted all over the world, something the world didn't care to know
    [ ] you used vi and left a whole bunch of editing garbage on the
        screen
    [ ] you posted a request for an article which was posted three times
        in the past week
    [ ] you claimed to have the original GGBJ
    [ ] you posted some sort of religious crap that doesn't belong in this
        group
    [*] you mailed an article that was not funny, unoriginal and very
        boring
    [ ] your mother dresses you funny
    [ ] you are wrong
	
 To recant, you must

    [*] actually post an interesting article
    [ ] give up all your worldly possessions and become a Tibetan monk
    [ ] hang yourself by the big toe for 72 hours
    [ ] abstain from sex for a month (shouldn't be too hard for you)
    [ ] shave your head, paint a target on it, and go to Iraq
    [ ] give your MP (Congressman in U.S.A., I guess) a donation of three
        hemp plants to decorate his office
    [ ] become politically correct and demand that manholes be renamed to
        peroffspringopenings
    [ ] cut your balls (or breasts, if you're a woman) off 
    [ ] _________________________________________________

Thank you for the time you have taken to read this, and please desist from
the offending behaviour that led to this flame.

_____________________________________________________________________________

				END FLAME
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bsmg9810@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bhaskar S.Manda)
Subject: Re: Back from India
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:06:47 GMT

sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:

>Mr. Sreehari Nimmala posts the following in some strange language
>which uses letters from the english alphabet:


>>Generally speaking, your above observation is more than 100%
>>correct. This may probably be because of sheer arrogance nature of people.
>>You may have observed or not, but there is no meaning for 
>>"Advance Reservations" for rails in nothern part of India. People
>>told me that even you made an advanced resrvation(say Ist class) on
>>a train, it would be hard for you to get little place to sit.
>>People are seemingly so arrogant that they just walk in and occupy
>>the seats/berths. Some of southrners are generally scared to travel
>>to north India. Though , being an Indian, I feel sorry for writing
>>these things about fellow Indians, I need accept the facts.
>>**This is a big wonder for us too.**

>hey could you translate this to english and post it again for us so
>that we can also understand it.
>thanx in advance
>suresh
	
	No sir, I did'nt get the big joke.
Bhaskar(@orion.me.uiuc.edu)


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32351 alt.culture.us.asian-indian:707
From: manmetha@gauss.rutgers.edu (Rajesh Malhotra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: NRIs returning -- Can Foreign currency be kept Liquid?
Keywords: Indian Tax Laws, Changes?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:11:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Fellow Netters,

	I have a question about returning NRIs. When one returns to India,
the NRI has to declare all the foreign currency and assets overseas, and
they have to be converted to Indian currency, correct?

	Once the currency is converted, it cannot be reconverted and sent
back overseas right?

	Are there any new laws making it easier for returning NRIs by making
their currency liquid? Also what sort of taxes do returning NRIs have to pay
once they convert their foreign exchange?

	I've heard about some sweeping changes in regulations, allowing
currency to come into the country, and then allowing it to be withdrawn
again.

	Also once a NRI returns and becoms an Indian reisdent, can he still
have an account overseas (legally ofcourse)?

	I would appreciate it if some one could shed some light on these
questions. Any and all responses appreciated.

Raj.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33061 soc.culture.tamil:2652
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: NEWS : Distortion in history textbooks opposed
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:05:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AeoF1yu00WBNM9RmAn
	<20956@plains.NoDak.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>	Every TN Government appoints some committiee but nothing works.
	>I think we should get politicians out of temple management if
>	we are to preserved them. And the most important things is no
>	ATHEIST should be allowed in the temple management.

It should be done, for the sake of temples.
From: gupta@orion.oac.uci.edu (Mohan Gupta)
Subject: DELHI UNIVERSITY STUDENTS >>> DUSAA : IMPORTANT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Sep 92 07:56:52 GMT
Distribution: usa


Hi Friends:
 
NOTE: THIS MAIL IS ONLY MEANT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO MY
      PREVIOUS POSTING ON THE NET.

I am trying to compile a list of DU students and so far the present list
contains over 100 responses. To update this list, it will be nice if you give 
the information about yourself in the following order:
			
			NAME
			COLLEGE AT D.U.
			MAJOR AT D.U.
			YEAR OF GRADUATION AT D.U.
                        HIGHEST DEGREE EARNED FROM D.U.
			ARRIVAL YEAR IN U.S.
			PRESENT OCCUPATION
                        PRESENT UNIVERSITY
                        PRESENT MAJOR/FIELD
         		PRESENT ADDRESS
			PHONE NUMBER
			E-MAIL ADDRESS


You can also add other additional informations. Please send your e-mail to

       gupta@orion.oac.uci.edu

As soon as I start getting the new responses, I will update the list and send
a copy of it to you. I hope this will help in maintaining the contacts with 
the old and new friends.


Thanks in advance for taking your time.



mohan gupta






Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32972 soc.culture.usa:7609
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: FBI-seized cars ---- worth buying ?
Keywords: Sale, Used cars, FBI, US.
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:46:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

Hi, 

I have come across ads here in which the advertiser offers to
sell "FBI/US seized cars" at very low prices (sometimes
starting at $ 25 (yes, $ 25 !)). I am sure at least some
of you would have seen similar ads.

In this context, I would like to know the answers to the 
following questions :

1. Is there any "catch" in such offers ?

2. Is there any other kind of difficulty (apart from 
   the usual maintenance problems) in buying such cars ? (like
   being charged for some old traffic violations etc. ?).

3. Is it worth considering such deals at all ? What are 
   the reasons (if any) for and against going in for
   such deals ?


Please email your responses to me. If there is sufficient interest,
I will later post a summary on the net.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

--Sudhi.


-- 
*********************************************************************
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email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
From: deepak@konark.njit.edu (D'EE'pak Kakadasam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Travel info' regarding stay in Bangkok.
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:50:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct1.182026.3996@csc.ti.com> krishnan@ra.csc.ti.com (Srinivasan Krishnan) writes:
>I am traveling  via Bangkok and am going to stay overnight. I have a
>couple of questions:
>1. Where can I get Thailand visa?
>

 No Idea.

>2. Any "hot" places to visit near  the airport.
>       ^^^^^

	Please Elaborate

>Please send e-mail to   krishnan@add.itg.ti.com


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From: U51935@uicvm.uic.edu (Sesha Talluri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: FBI-seized cars ---- worth buying ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:26:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92279.142657U51935
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct5.014615.21375@usl.edu>, sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
says:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have come across ads here in which the advertiser offers to
>sell "FBI/US seized cars" at very low prices (sometimes
>starting at $ 25 (yes, $ 25 !)). I am sure at least some
>of you would have seen similar ads.
>
I will pay the $25, YES!!! Twenty Five Dollars for YOU!!!

Go ahead and buy yourself a 'nice car'.
I hope you take a longggggggggggggggggg ride in that car.
I hope you know why?    :)

>In this context, I would like to know the answers to the
>following questions :
>
>1. Is there any "catch" in such offers ?
>
Trust me. No 'catches' They are all one hell of a cars.

>2. Is there any other kind of difficulty (apart from
>   the usual maintenance problems) in buying such cars ? (like
>   being charged for some old traffic violations etc. ?).
>
NONE what so ever.

>3. Is it worth considering such deals at all ? What are
>   the reasons (if any) for and against going in for
>   such deals ?
>
You bet. They are definately worth it.  :)
You will enjoy it (and so we will) when you go for that longggggg ride.

>
>Please email your responses to me. If there is sufficient interest,
>I will later post a summary on the net.
>
>Thanks in advance.

Thank 'YOU' ....if you buy a car.

Have fun.

sesha

>Regards,
>
>--Sudhi.
>
>
>--
>*********************************************************************
>Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.
>email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
>*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: eleeafj@menudo.uh.edu (P. Narendra)
Subject: Re: NRIs returning -- Can Foreign currency be kept Liquid?
Keywords: Indian Tax Laws, Changes?
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:09:48 GMT

i this is a test please ignore



Sridhar Panchapakesan  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ananthar@rtsg.mot.com (Anil K. Anantharao)
Subject: Round Trip ticket refund
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:18:39 GMT

A couple came to the US on a round trip ticket on Air India. The ticket is
valid for six months. They intend to extend their stay in the US for another
six months. Is there a way to get a refund for the unused part of the ticket
or defer the ticket six more months?

Appreciate any responses (please email to  ananthar@marble.rtsg.mot.com)

Anil
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:08:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.


>>>>> In article <23379@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, lal@cs.arizona.edu writes:

TNS> The practical training and the equipment is vastly superior. Where in 
TNS> India would you be able to work with Intel beta test versions of their
TNS> products, Workstations, Vax clusters, IBM PCs, Macs, IBM minis, have 
TNS> CAD VLSI design software, Digital and Analog circuit design tools, 24hr 
TNS> lab access, get the newest products from the market to work with (Xilinx
TNS> 4000 series FPGAs)?
TNS> (In an Undergraduate program)

In IIT Kanpur (as well as the other IITs, I would guess).  

TNS> If you would get all these facilities in an Indian Undergraduate program,
TNS> please tell me. I would like to transfer there to finish my education, if
TNS> transferring is not possible then go for my Ms. there. Of course the M.S.
TNS> program must have twice as many facilities and resources available as 
TNS> compared to the undergraduate program.

The problem is IIT Kanpur is sort of picky about it's students :-).  However,
you may try your luck!

Luck!
-Shubu



































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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32722 rec.music.indian.classical:1706 alt.culture.karnataka:58
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.classical,alt.culture.karnataka
From: kulki@cs.toronto.edu (Dattatraya Kulkarni)
Subject: Dr. Subramaniam in TORONTO
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa, canada
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:36:07 GMT




				   SPIC-MACAY
                          University of TORONTO Chapter

				   presents a

			      LECTURE DEMONSTRATION
				       by

				Dr L. SUBRAMANIAM
           	    accompanied by Prakash Rao on the Miridangam

				on Oct 6th, 1992 ( 6pm )
					at
			     Debate Hall, Hart House
		              University of Toronto 


	For further info contact :
		kulki@cs.toronto.edu, or
		guptar@civ.toronto.edu

        Or call: Shashi Kant (416) 972-0638
                 Padam Prakash (416) 963-9490

(Keeping in mind numerous postings on Dr. Subramanim, and inability to 
describe a phenomenon that can only be experienced, I make the intro. short)


We are delighted to inaugurate the University of Toronto chapter of SPIC-MACAY
with Dr. L Subramaniam's violin concert. We are indeed very lucky and honoured 
to have Dr. Subramaniam for our opening concert. New York Time's description 
as "One of the best violinists of our time" sums it all. His mastery of the 
instrument and the creative genius are better witnessed than desribed in words.
His unquenchable thirst, and boundless creativity leads him to a synthesis 
of eastern and western music. 

	Prakash Rao, a disciple of Sudarshanacharylu, Vellore Ramabadran, 
and Ummayalpuram Sivaraman, has accompanied several artists including Ravikiran.