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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:38:53 -0400 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 1992 Volleyball Competition

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.rec.nude:
14-Aug-92  1992 Volleyball Competition    Lewis M. Dreblow@vax.mus (592)    
>From: dreblow@vax.muskingum.edu (Lewis M. Dreblow)
>Subject: 1992 Volleyball Competition
>Date: 14 Aug 92 23:02:56 GMT
> 
>Hi fellow Nudists,
> 
>Since someone posted something about the 1992 Gay gathering I thought
>I would post and query readers about the 1992 Nude Volleyball competition
>at White Thorn.  Any rec.nude readers planning on attending?


Hi !

I plan on attending, possibly with one of my sons and possibly with my
wife.   Usually they have a fantastic luck with the weather, for those
events.   What has always surprised me is that those dedicated
nudists-volleyballers fly in from as far as Canada -- (I mean a bunch of
regular straight Canadians, mostly from Quebec, with their accent.)

I might be keeping the gate.





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From: FORTMAPL@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU ("Paul Fortman : free spirit")
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Campus Naturist Network
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:33:07 GMT


	From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
	Newsgroups: rec.nude
	Subject: Campus Naturist Network forming 
 
	Well, look y'all. This is about the umpteenth person
	in the last month or two who has expressed a serious
	interest in what would generally be termed "Campus
	Clothing Freedom".
 
	With all the impetus I feel for this, why don't we
	start a campus Naturist network and give young adults
	the opportunity to make up their own minds about
	what we've been preaching all this time. I mean,
	you either get it right in college or you're
	doomed for life, right?
 
	All it takes is time, a little money (from the
	student activities group), time, organization,
	time, a pseudo-regular meeting or activity, time,
	and some fun. Are you folks up for it or what?
 
I am up for it.  During my undergrad years at the University 
of Dayton I was very involved with Campus Ministry (The Monks 
Inn and several student retreats), so I do have some 
experience.  Perhaps The Naturist Society could help with 
advice and maybe even a small report or article in each issue
of Nude and Natural (each branch/campus could periodically 
submit an article to TNS).  BTW, is Nude and Natural 11.4 out
yet?  I received 11.3 on 19 May 1992 which would put 11.4 due 
about now.  Anyway, I think a Campus Naturist Network is a 
good idea.  The first meeting of the Purdue branch will be 
very soon (even if I'm the only one who shows up).

*Pooh Bare

fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: CNN and Nudity
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:57:20 GMT

bernier@mr4dec.enet.dec.com (WAYNE BERNIER) writes:
>	FWIW...
>	CNN (a cable station) has a show called Real Personal thats...
>	Thats Real People on CNN , check your local paper/cable guide.

The name changed pretty fast...and the other guy is right,
it is CNBC, not CNN.

They originally asked others, including Toni Egbert, to be
on the show but she must have sensed some ulterior
motive afoot when she declined. I'm glad to hear
it went well. I'll try to catch it, but I don't
think we have CNBC as part of our VideoCypher package
at this site. Somebody in DC please tape it. Thanx in advance!

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Help!!
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:45:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.201330.18199@afterlife.ncsc.mil> blschwa@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Benjamin Schwalb) writes:
>I, too, live in Maryland, and would like to know of any CO areas around here
>that accept single males, so anyone who knows of any, please mail a response
>to me, too.


Come on down to Assateague, north of Pole 6.
(Notice I did NOT say Chincoteague, in Virginia, where
you will be arrested if you appear nude anywhere.
Know the difference.)

>Now, what I DO know: National Capital Naturists, a Northern Virginia based
>group, has info, but they don't give it out free.  

This much is free: the charges and classes you listed have
nothing to do with NCN, although they should. You must
be talking about Gary Brown and his Bare Facts classes.
He discusses various groups, including NCN, but he
is not NCN.


>blschwa@afterlife.ncsc.mil

That's funny. Turner Stokes' group is NCSC, for National
Capital Sun Club. You must already have the inside track :)


-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Rideshare to Blacks Beach from LA.
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Distribution: la
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:42:38 GMT

Anyone in the LA area (westside/south bay preferred) that would be interested
in rideshareing (or at least some company) on trips weekend/weekday
to Blacks Beach?  I was going to go today, but just didn't feel like the long
drive by myself.

Reply by phone (below) or email please.  

-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nude Over-The-Line
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:15:35 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


The subject of nude exercise and nude volleyball has come up so I think
this is a good time to post about the upcoming nude OTL tournament.

During the weekend of October 24 and 25 the 'Sun and Fun Seekers' are
sponsoring a nude Over-the-line tournament at the Glen Eden Sun Club.
This is in Riverside County just east of Los Angeles, California.  It is
just one part of a Travel Club Jamboree that weekend.  The Camping Bares
have put together one team and hope to have others put together by then.

Over-the-line was invented in San Diego as a beach version of baseball.
Teams consist of three persons.  There is no pitcher, one teammate kneels
in front of the batter and tosses the ball in the air.  Bases are awarded
by how far it is hit, the opposition of course trys to catch it for the
out.  There is an annual OTL tournament (non-nude, but very close) here
in S.D. each year that draws over 600 teams and lasts two weekends.  Wide
World of Sports wanted to televise it but the sponsors refused to clean
it up for them (even though they would have made big bucks from t.v.).
[Team names tend to get rude, about 2/3 of the teams are there to party
and the game is secondary to them.  Drinking is to the extreme.]

The playing field is as below.  Perfect for a beach.
Opp. is where the defensive opponents place themselves.

         /|--------------------------------
        / |
batter <  |    opp.    opp.    opp.
	\ |
	 \|--------------------------------

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton			|	Camping Bares
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu		|	P.O. Box 81589
aka Happy Bare				|	San Diego, CA 92138-1589
From: dreblow@vax.muskingum.edu (Lewis M. Dreblow)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: 1992 Volleyball Competition
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:02:56 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

Hi fellow Nudists,

Since someone posted something about the 1992 Gay gathering I thought
I would post and query readers about the 1992 Nude Volleyball competition
at White Thorn.  Any rec.nude readers planning on attending?

FYI, Its held every year the weekend after labor day, this year from
September 10 through September 13 at White Thorn in Western Pennsylvania.
Usually $20 gets you in the gate for the whole event.  I will gladly post
or reply to anyone interested in a name, address, or telephone number
for details.

Lewis Dreblow, DREBLOW@VAX.MUSKINGUM.EDU

[let.yourself.be.free]
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Uptightness about sex & ...
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:01:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Aug12.063855.896@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>In article <l8fud2INN80g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>>for limiting nudity, thong bathing suits, or whatever.  The stereo thing
>>holds quite well under this scenario also, since if you play your music
>>too loud, it also permeates my space.  Current law is using the
>
>Unless there is a barrier between your space and mine, then the light rays
>eminating from what you are doing in your space are penetrating my space.
>Therefore (by your logic) you are intruding on my space.  It is not my
----
	However, light rays are easily blocked/ignored.  I don't have to
look -- I can look the other way, sleep, read a book, close my eyes,
etc.  Unfortunately, I can't do that with my ears.

>(just playing devil's advocate cuz I'm sick of the intolerance and self-
>importance being displayed in this thread. -wat-'s argument is difficult
>to dispute because it makes perfect sense...except that it totally ignores
>the fact that 90% of the society doesn't accept his philosophy and some
>sort of compromise must be reached between the two (many) belief systems.
---
	Well, maybe the new age (the Aquarian Age) which is astronomically
replacing the age of the fish (Piscean or Xtian Age) somewhere between
1960 and 2020, will spark a new consciousness.  We can always hope that
instead of rule by domination, we will move to an era of partnership
and tolerance.  Either that or maybe we'll head toward self destruction.
Sorta difficult to predict, but it seems things are heading toward
a breaking point.

-wat-
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:: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? ::
From: chenier@kaoa12.enet.dec.com (Mario Chenier)
Subject: Nude beach in Ottawa
Reply-To: chenier@kaoa12.enet.dec.com (Mario Chenier)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Kanata Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:10:10 GMT


I received a reply to this question via e-mail, but guess what...
Can't find my soft copy, and my hard copy is now in somebody else's hand.
Somebody has asked me to forward him a copy.
Instead of trying to retype the directions, could that very kind person who
originally sent them, send them again?

Mario
From: millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Trip To Blacks
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:26:56 GMT
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Hi Everybody,

	I got back from San Diego and had a wonderful time.  After all the 
debate, my wife and I went to Black's Beach and had great time.  The beach 
is a lot larger than I expected and the day a bit warmer than I expected.

	This was my wife and I's first public CO trip (together).  We throughly
enjoyed ourselves with two exceptions. 1) There seem to be a band of Mexicans
who spent a couple of hours roaming the beach gawking.  2) They're were only
one other female that we could see when we got there.  

	After a few hours they're more women and that put my wife at ease.

	When I went to play volleyball it was literally SKINS vs. SHORTS!!

	My wife was also bothered by everybody looking at her.  But then again
how many 7.5 month pregnant women do you see at Blacks??  

Phillip Millman
From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: nudism to nudyism
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:47:26 GMT
Distribution: rec

i would like to suggest changing the word "nudism" to "nudyism", as it is more pleasant and easier to say.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Campus Naturist Network forming (might have been Re: Michigan CO)
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.064547.7291@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>
>Well, look y'all. This is about the umpteenth person
>in the last month or two who has expressed a serious
>interest in what would generally be termed "Campus
>Clothing Freedom".
>

				sorry if this comes throught twice .
news is acting odd ...

				i've been working to organize naturists
here at rochester institute of technology ( rochester , ny ) , and i
fully support the idea of a " campus naturist network . " i'd be
interested in hearing from others ...

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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Sex on the beach
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:26:23 GMT

In article <l8opdkINN9kb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
>	Anyway. Get a clue -- I said if it isn't harming anyone then you
>can do it.  Me having sex on the beach isn't going to harm you, but
...
>	Being natural is not the basis I believe sex on the beach or any
>personal act should be allowed.  The reason is that what harms none,
>and is done by yourself or between consenting adults should be 
>allowable.  That's the acid test.

It seems like that "acid test" is whether or not such an activity fits in
with *YOUR* sense of morality.  You obviously care not whose morality
is *harmed* by your activities.

For the last week or two you have been repeated saying *everything* should
be allowed so long as it doesn't (physically ) harm anyone.  So obviously
you wouldn't mind if me and 20 friends moved into your apartment/house for
a couple of months---we wouldn't harm you while we were there.  You wouldn't
mind if I "borrowed" some of your belongings?---it wouldn't actually "harm"
you.  And you wouldn't mind if some strange guy walked up and gave your
girlfriend (or you) a hug, a kiss, and a grope?---this wouldn't actually
cause any physical harm (if he was healthy).

Is it still so easy to define right and wrong in terms of physical harm?
Does the definition of "harm" need to be expanded?

In another post you accuse people of intolerance for suggesting that people
should have the right to go to a beach where there won't be anyone having
sex.  Seems to me you are much more intolerant for not allowing them the
freedom to designate a no-sex beach.  Tolerance requires you to accept other
people's beliefs even when you think they are f***ed. 

Bill.

Respond (flame) by email only, please.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Directions to San Onefre
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:49:23 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Originator: stgprao@xing

In article <1992Aug19.185708.40324@source.asset.com> gilyeatc@source.asset.com (Colin Gilyeat) writes:
>Sorry to waste the bandwidth for this since I seem to recall these directions
>given recently, but I'm going to be in San Diego, CA next week and would like
>directions to the CO area at San Onefre.

Basilone freeway exit to park.
Park in southmost day lot area, about three miles in.
CO Beach is southmost part of the beach adjoining the marine base.
People slip over, but the military police sometimes come and kick them off.
Park runs out of parking by 11AM on a nice weendend day.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Subject: Help locating CO places.
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:53:25 GMT

From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: CO locations near me.
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com

Can anyone please help me find CO locations within about a 100 mile radius of  
Allentown, PA?  I have heard of Sandy Hook, NJ, but I would need directions  
there (and to any other places you may be able to tell me about).

Thanx,
Michael

ObNude: Philadelphia TV station KYW (channel 3) did a report on Sandy Hook a few  
weeks ago.  They presented it as the scandalous support by our government of a  
nude beach.  That is, they took the fact that there happen to be no laws  
prohibiting nudity on federal lands (forgive me if that's not quite correct - I  
know there are modifiers), and made it sound like the government is actively  
promoting nudity (and implied sex) against the wishes of decent, moral  
Americans.  It wasn't quite that blatant, but there were a lot of sarcastic  
tones and smirks during the report.  The video footage also showed everything,  
except that genitalia and female breasts were smeared out with that sort of  
fuzzy electronic floating rectangle effect that is used to hide threatened  
witnesses' faces and such.  You could tell, however, that there was pubic hair  
under there somewhere.  KYW is, as far as I know, last in the ratings of the  
Philadelphia network affiliates, so maybe they're using titillation in a  
desperate attempt to gain viewers.  I've taken to calling their new late news  
format "news lite."

Any readers in the Philadelphia area - does Jennifer Ward need to stop  
shellacking her hair or what? ;-)

--
Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
~18 kyu
Q16
NeXTMail appreciated
From: Pat O'Brien <naturist@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:16 PDT
Subject: Re: All the people (was Re: Embarrassed
Nf-ID: #R:155dqeINNhpq@network.ucsd.edu:-1642266757:cdp:1457200025:000:688
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!naturist    Aug 17 15:16:00 1992


Kurt:
	I think you have Naturism mixed up with anarchism. It's not relevant
what you think of The Naturist Society or the Naturist Action Committee.
	What is germaine to this discussion is whether something at the 
edge of the social envelope is worth pursuing and whether it can be attained.
	Opening the doors to public nudity on beaches, rivers, hot springs,
in forests, deserts what have you is hard work. Keeping them open is an 
equally onerous challenge, what with the level of right-wing fanatical 
fundamentalist crapola out there.
	All I'm saying is we can't succeed at any of this in the current
American environment if there is public sex involved. It just will not work.
Pat

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: All the people (was Re: Embarrassed
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:24:25 GMT

From article <1992Aug14.072100.28509@access.digex.com>, by bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler):
> In article <1992Aug13.012625.11459@informix.com> craigbr@informix.com (Craig Browning) writes:
>>I wrote:
>>>If Naturists must overcome ALL fears of ALL people then
>>>we are truly doomed to inexorable failure.
>>
>>Then let's settle for two: nudity and sex.
> 
> Wonderful idea. Let's incline the mountain before us
> from 45 degrees to 90 degrees so we go nowhere! :(
> The more you push me to be everything to everybody,
> the more stridently I will resist. Let's get our
> shit together and concentrate our efforts on
> one and only one issue at a time to be effective.

I keep thinking there's a straw man here.  

Naturists say they want to be nude, and claim the only reason other
people won't let them is that other people are uptight about nudity.

Then another bunch of people respond that if we object to other people
being uptight about nudity, then we are hypocritical if we are uptight
about sex.

I object.  Uptightness in general is not my problem.  My problem is
uptightness about public nudity, and that's all.  I do not otherwise
care about uptightness.  I care about nudity specifically.

I suspect that other people calling themselves Naturists have the
same idea.  Just because we are laid back about public nudity, don't
assume that in logical consequence we are, or ought to be, laid back
about public sex.  Non sequitur, as they say in Latin.

> By the way, in looking at the flow of these various
> arguments I haven't once come down on one side
> or the other; I'm playing the technician here,
> trying to get the damned job done. I repeat:
> do you folks want to help or hinder?  (Hint:
> we don't need anymore negative slippage.)
> 
> -- 
> 
> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

I agree, with a clarification.  I am deliberately not saying whether I
favor or oppose sex in public.  I am strongly saying that nudity in
public, and sex in public, are two different issues, and any argument
that they are the same issue is abstract wordsmithing.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Uptightness about sex & ...
Organization: gte
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:03:15 GMT

In article <l85kusINNrtd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
[...]
> >In summary, CO means just that.  It does not mean PS (public sex).  If
> >you want to lobby your local city council to establish some PS areas
> >around you, go for it.  Depending on your city, you might get more support
> >than you would suspect (but don't count on it).
> ---
> 	I wouldn't count on it either.  The trend in government is towards
> regulating personal life *more*, not *less*.  The Democrats and the
> Republicans are equally at fault -- the Republicans even more so since
> they have violated their own principles in doing so.

Forgive me for this intrusion, as I know this is a bit off the topic,
but I feel that many r.n readers may benefit from this.

I think you will find the Libertarian party to be of interest. (The party
is nothing like what most of the media would have you think they are!)

I have heard the Libertarian viewpoint summarized something like this:
         
            "The individual should be able to exercise sole dominion
            over his own life provided that he does not forcibly 
            interfere with the rights of others to do the same."

Email to compuserve.com!76177.2310 (Libertarian Party HQ) for 
more info.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Note, please "reply" via email instead of "following up." 
 This does not really belong in rec.nude.]

-- 
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no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: oleg@cs.sunysb.edu (Oleg Sokolsky)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: BRA SURVEY
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:14:17 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook Computer Science Dept.

Who in particular wrote this is unimportant, I guess:
> the group is about not wearing clothing.  So a more
> appropriate question is, how many women don't wear bras?

Oh, go away with this topic, please!

Sorry for being rude,

Oleg
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