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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: Learning hunting
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:53:03 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan18.091646.1280@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kimh@eng.umd.edu (Kim Xy Ho) writes:
>
>	Hi everybody,
>	
>	I'm very much a beginner hunter (this season was my first).
>Even though I'd like to think that I've learned the very basics of
>hunting, I am looking for ways to learn the finer points of hunting.
>At this time I'm most interested in bowhunting for whitetail deer.
>I'm trying to learn hunting from books, video tapes and such, but I
>realized this is comparable to learning a musical instrument on your
>own!  I have studied playing piano for many years, and I know that my
>skill in piano would not be anywhere near what I have achieved, if I
>hadn't studied with a good teacher.
>	I live in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Do you know of any hunting
>courses in this area (besides the Hunting Safety course), or perhaps
>even private teachers who teach hunting?  Any information would by
>GREATLY appreciated!
>
>						Thank you in advance
>
>						Mark


Well Mark, one thing you can do is to start scouting all the local
sporting goods stores. I don't mean the XXX-Mart stores, but the
smaller ones where the Real Hunters (tm) frequent on Saturdays when
the season is out and try to get in on some conversations about 
hunting. Maybe you'll get lucky and find one that has group of regulars
that will answer some specific questions you have. Another thing you
can probably do is to get back out into the field and observe deer 
while "pretending" to hunt with a camera or camcorder. This way you
can learn more and get good film/pictures at the same time. This will
also allow you to really learn the areas you plan to hunt this fall.
You can try things like grunt calls and watch the deers reactions.
But, to be truthful, most still hunting tactics are learned "on the job"
since it is done alone. As for as courses go, there are some. You just
have to watch for them being advertised in the larger cities in your
area. In SC, they have several weekend hunting shows that feature demo,
lectures, and displays for hunting gear in two or three cities. 

  
Good Luck.

Keith

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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: scott@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Larry Scott)
Subject: anti's
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:08:07 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


	Well, I've just had what I'm pretty sure was my first
experience with Anti's and/or their results. I'm a member of a private
lake, east of Broomfield, that has pretty good goose hunting on it. My
partner had a custom- designed and built blind that was an extravagant
affair that he had invested quite a bit of labor and wood in. It was
somewhat portable, and we had spent 3 days, earlier, refurbishing it
and putting it up at our lake. I went out Monday morning to find it,
and 2 of the other 3 blinds on the lake, burned to the ground! The
other 2 blinds were cattail and hay bale blinds, and probably burned
up/down pretty quickly. However, ours was comprised of 2X4's, 4X4's,
and plywood. As there were hunters and ice-fisherman on the lake all
day Sunday, this all happened sometime Sunday night. For this much
wood to burn so hot and fast, it was probably fueled by a goodly
amount of gasoline.  While we've reported it to the club officers and
the local Sherrif's dept., none of it gives quite the satisfaction
that I know we'd have if we had caught the bastard(s) ourselves.
	One side note... I'm happy to say that they still failed in
their attempt to kill our hunting. Quite the contrary. Two guys from
one of the other burned blinds joined me and we just hid in the
willows and weeds on the shore next to my still-smoldering blind.
Three of us and Hershey, (the Chocolate-Mallard-Muncher), hiding in
the weeds.... and we got our 9-bird limit by 10:30. Without doubt, one
of the best decoying days I've ever seen.

	Definitely a first experience for me!


	Good decoyin'

	Larry and Hershey


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk (Jonathan Spencer)
Subject: German Pointers - go for it!
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:45:27 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

This didn't get out first attempt ...

Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers

robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:

[about German Shorthaired Pointers]

>My wife and I are looking  
>for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, 
                                      ^^^^^^ yes
good natured, 
^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes

good with kids,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes

>clean, 
^^^^^^ depends how & where the are worked :-)

doesn't shed, 
^^^^^^^^^^^^ ah, you need a bald dog then :-), *every* dog sheds

good in the house, 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes

>and (for me) will also be a good  upland hunting dog.  
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes

>for the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
>black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
>upland dog.

I've had a number of GSPs. They meet your criteria above, but can be
bettered. The short coats mean they can't handle really cold weather as
well as their cousins the German Wirehaired Pointer. They are also
reluctant to take cold water and are not keen on taking cover (ie
brambles). Some GSPs will, but mostly they're softer than the GWPs.
They also have a lot less drive and are more biddible. (Take that to
mean that they are more controllable and less stubbnorn/determined, but
give up quicker and sometimes refuse to do as they are bid.) On the
other hand, the thick coat of the GWP is a disadvantage on a grouse
moor in August. It all depends (firstly) on the kind of land and
weather in which the dog is to work, and then on temperament. The GSP
is the easier of the two to handle, but the GWP is the better breed.
(All IMO, of course.)

>Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
>they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
>appreciated.

Forget the labradors, save them for the driven pheasant shoot or for
the foreshore. A GSP is every bit as good at retrieving as a lab, and
has some GO in it, as well. Other breeds that fulfill the same role as
the GSP (ie Hunter Pointer Retriever - HPR) include the Hungarian Vizla
(a wee bit smaller than the GSP and more biddible, just as capable),
the Weimaraner (larger than the GSP, dogs tend to go through a loutish
teenage period), the Brittany (spanial sized HPRs, very strong headed
and take a knowledgeable and firm hand to control), the Munsterlanders
(Large M. is an airhead, Small M. is superb - a "ladies dog"),  and
several others.

Get some books on the breeds, and preferably see some working before you
choose your breed. Once you've decided on breed, only buy from working
stock. And don't rush: buy in haste, repent at leisure.

--Jonathan


Xref: sparky rec.hunting:2442 talk.politics.guns:27137
From: bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: University at Buffalo
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:37 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.084540.25710@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes...
>In article <1993Jan25.074006.19429@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>  shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
> 
>>Speaking of labs... I plan on getting a dog in a couple of years and
>>am strongly considering a black lab. What I want is a versitile dog
>>that can be used on Upland birds, Rabbits and waterfowl as well as
>>be an early warning system WRT the bad guys skulking outside. ;-)
>>Am I on the right track with the lab?
> 
>*I* believe so.  Although rabbits aren't exactly their forte, my guess
>is that since they work good at flushing birds, they would flush a
>bunny as well.
> 

I've heard stories of individuals usings Airdales for hunting... I
know that they are used in some sort of Police work ... but I wonder
if anyone has heard them used more commonly in place of Labs,etc...
??

Paul



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
Subject: German Short-haired Pointers
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:10 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German  
Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking  
for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,  
clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good  
upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last  
item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not  
the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
upland dog.

Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
appreciated.

Thanks,

Robert

robert_walton@next.com


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: ljones@utkvx3.utk.edu (Where UT leads, others will follow.)
Subject: Nature Center Needs Trophies, Skulls, and Skins
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:41:36 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hello all!

     Ijams Nature Center in Knoxville, Tennessee needs animal
trophies, skulls and skins. Pam Petko-Seus, our wildlife biologist,
needs them for outreach programs at local schools. They will also
be used in our museum.

     Ijams was established by the Audobon Society on property
willed by the Ijams family. The center leads school groups
on educational trips on the property on most days of the school
year. Wildlife biologist Pam Petko-Sues travels to area schools
to teach children about wildlife. There is a museum and a
pavillion where UT professors and area naturalists give talks.
Ijams is a tax-exempt nonprofit organization.

     We are asking for trophies, skulls, and skins of animals native
to eastern North America north of Mexico. Until we build our new
nature center, we will not have space for exotic species. Specimens 
should already be prepared, as we can't afford to take specimens
to a taxidermist. We especially need a mounted male mallard and 
any native predators.

     Contributors will receive the Ijams newsletter and the satisfaction
of helping a good cause.

     Send me email describing any specimens you would like to
contribute and I will send you Ijams address.

Thanks!
Leslie Jones
Ijams naturalist 


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:53:16 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.090451.12045@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
 
>Here's a special recipe for all my friends at rec.hunting.
>
>Venison Pot Roast
>If you like it that way, add peeled new potatoes and carrots to the
>pot for the last half hour to hour.
 
What, no onions?  Seriously, this sounds fantastic.
 
 
>By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
>able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
>as often as I might like!
 
It's legal to buy venison where you live?  I didn't think it was legal
to buy venison anywhere in the US.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:53:28 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.090451.12045@doug.cae.wisc.edu> motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
>
>Here's a special recipe for all my friends at rec.hunting.
>
>Venison Pot Roast
>

[Great sounding recipe deleted]

>
>Enjoy.
>
>By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
>as often as I might like!
>
>Mary Otto
>
>

Is this for real????  Can you actually sell your venison for that amount??
Where are you at??  It is illegal to sell venison down here in SC. I think
mostly to prevent wholesale slaughter and poaching of our deer herd. I've
got about 100lbs of venison in my parent's freezer so I guess it is worth
about $800 minimum huh?? Can you enlighten me on the aspects of this Mary?
Does it work well without encouraging poaching in your area? Thanks for
any comments.

Keith

 

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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower)
Subject: Good article supportive of hunting...Wyoming Wildlife/Jan. 93
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:42:03 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


There is a nice article on hunting in the Jan. 93 issue of "Wyoming
Wildlife". The article is titled "Hunting in the genes" and the
author is Kathy Etling. It is supportive of hunting.

I'll take a minute to plug this magazine - Wyoming Wildlfe. It's
only $8 a year, 3 years for $20 and comes monthly. Order it toll free
at 800-548-9453. Beautiful photography, excellent articles and in some
way you are probably helping support what might be the BEST game 
management organization (Wyoming Fish and Game Dept) in the United States. 
Try it out.

rich cower


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: 34AEJ7D%CMUVM.bitnet@GITVM1.gatech.edu ()
Subject: venison/morel meat loaf
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:16:07 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

If you've got a few scraps of that venison left when morel season
rolls around, try using it in your favorite meat loaf recipe - to
which you have added a few morels. It's great!

W. K. Gorman


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: toby@stein.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw)
Subject: Re: GREYHOUNDS
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:51:28 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.090324.11927@doug.cae.wisc.edu> poppg@columbia.dsu.edu (GARY POPP) writes:
>I'M FROM SOUTH DAKOTA AND A FEW WEEKS AGO OUT COYOTE HUNTING I MET UP WITH 
>SOME GUYS THAT WERE ALSO COYOTE HUNTING....WITH GREYHOUNDS!  THEY HAD FOUR 
>GREYHOUNDS AND WHEN THEY WOULD SEE A COYOTE- THEY TURN THE DOGS LOOSE ON IT 
>AND THE DOGS WOULD THEN RUN THE COYOTE DOWN!
>I WAS THINKING OF GETTING SOME GREYHOUNDS BUT DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THEM.  
>DOES ANYONE KNOW IF YOU NEED TO TRAIN THEM, OR HOW FRIENDLY GREYHOUNDS ARE.  
>PLEASE PUT ANY INFO. YOU HAVE OVER THE NET.

Nice dogs.  Usually available for free as retired racing dogs.  Call
any of the dog tracks in Florida, for example.  I know Wisconsin
has strict laws about placing retired racing dogs in homes (as opposed
to shallow graves, as is done too often), so you could call there, too.
A friend of mine who lived in New Mexico used ex-racing dogs for
hunting jackrabbits.  He said the best one he had was a bitch that
was rejected for racing because she would jump the rail, cut the
corner on the track, and jump the rail again to catch the mechanical
rabbit.

There's some stuff about greyhounds in Dan Mannix's book "A Sporting
Chance", sometimes found at gun shows.

Tom Donald, who lives in Saskatchewan, uses salukis to course
white-tailed jacks so his prairie falcon can pound the hare.

Toby Bradshaw
Department of Biochemistry and College of Forest Resources
University of Washington, Seattle
toby@u.washington.edu

"A well-educated electorate being necessary to the prosperity of
a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books, shall
not be infringed."  Should there be a waiting period for the purchase of
"dangerous" books, magazines, and newspapers?








Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:20:07 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.084617.25820@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
 
>It has been pointed out by numerous folks that this was an awful idea.
>There was absolutely no support for moving any of these groups except
>perhaps rec.hunting and any rec.backcountry groups that would be
>created.  And there were far too few people in favor of messing with
>rec.backcountry.  So, please forget I ever mentioned it and I promise
>I won't bring it up again...
 
Ok then, I will.  I still think it's a pretty good idea - at least
as far as rec.hunting is concerned.  We may not have any say about
what goes on in the other groups, but I think we still ought to consider
renaming *our* group.  I think that when alt.fishing became
rec.outdoor.fishing, they did a pretty smart thing.
 
All of this is just MHO.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: wesw@sr.hp.com (Wes Whiteley)
Subject: Re: GREYHOUNDS
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:21 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

GARY POPP (poppg@columbia.dsu.edu) wrote:
: I'M FROM SOUTH DAKOTA AND A FEW WEEKS AGO OUT COYOTE HUNTING I MET UP WITH 
: SOME GUYS THAT WERE ALSO COYOTE HUNTING....WITH GREYHOUNDS!  THEY HAD FOUR 
: GREYHOUNDS AND WHEN THEY WOULD SEE A COYOTE- THEY TURN THE DOGS LOOSE ON IT 
: AND THE DOGS WOULD THEN RUN THE COYOTE DOWN!
: I WAS THINKING OF GETTING SOME GREYHOUNDS BUT DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THEM.  
: DOES ANYONE KNOW IF YOU NEED TO TRAIN THEM, OR HOW FRIENDLY GREYHOUNDS ARE.  
: PLEASE PUT ANY INFO. YOU HAVE OVER THE NET.
: 
: THANKS
: GARY
: 
: 

Gary,

There is a FAQ on Greyhounds in the notes group tilted news.answers.

The title of the string is:  rec.pets.dogs:  Greyhounds FAQ

I show that it was posted on Jan. 5th 1993.

If you can't find it, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.

Good luck,

wes

wesw@sr.hp.com






Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: doug@designview.Prime.COM (Doug Fosdick)
Subject: German Short-haired Pointers & venison
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:14 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Robert Walton asks:

  >Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
  >they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
  >appreciated.

I looked into getting aGerman short hair ~a year ago. They seem to 
be ideal all around dogs (esp. for hunting). The only thing that I was 
cautioned on regarding them is that they are high strung. They like to
be active. Depending on your family / home situation this may not
be an issue. I was told that they are good with kids.

I don't have one, so this may be inaccurate info.

RE: buying venison:

  >>By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
  >>able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
  >>as often as I might like!
 
  >It's legal to buy venison where you live?  I didn't think it was legal
  >to buy venison anywhere in the US.
 
It is my understanding that it is illegal to sell native venison
which has been hunted anywhere in the U.S. However, ranch raised venison 
is legal to sell. Most, if not all, ranched raised venison is not 
whitetail, or mule deer, but some deer from the far east (axis deer maybe). 
NZ evidently has a thriving business raising deer and selling the venison 
on the world market. This is the venison that expensive restaurants serve.

- Doug


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: NCSU
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:25 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan22.100641.25673@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
>Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
>Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:40 CST
>In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
> 

>I'm certain Charlie will jump in here and answer your post too, but 1
>little item from a Lab person: don't judge the whole breed from 1
>person's dog.  Labs are fine upland bird dogs, but they aren't
>pointers - they're flushers.  Of course, a GSP might indeed be better
>suited for the type of hunting you do.   That is, unless you later

>decide to take up duck hunting  (*chris lightly jabs charlie in the ribs
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>here!*).   ;-)
> 

Chris, did you mean to say "ducking hunting" here?  If that was the
case then Robert would not have to limit his considerations to a breed
such as the GSP.  In fact, your suggestion of a Lab or the like would
be fine. ;-).

DGA





Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: sarah@cs.arizona.edu (Sarah M. Officer)
Subject: jerky
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:33 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I like to use teriyaki as a marinade base for jerky.  My husband
and I have tried lots of variations in the sauce.  We have never
had a bad batch, but I like the jerky best when we skip the salt.
Adding salt in addition to teriyaki or some other pre-packaged
marinade makes the jerky too salty.  I also think soy sauce is
very salty (we only use a little, if any).  Cayenne, fresh ground
pepper, garlic, wine, a touch of molasses....the marinade 
possibilities are endless.

I dry my jerky in a dehydrator for about 12 hours.

- Sarah




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