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From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:03:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.004428.19095@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> albert@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert) writes:
}Of course, if he at 
}least slows the decline of the last 12 years, or even halts the decline
}without any improvement whatsoever, it would be alot better that four more
}years of Bush watching the country go down the toilet without the 
}slightest clue what is going on.

First of all, the decline has been going on since 1965, if not earlier.  It's
only seemed worse lately because the effects have become more apparent.  Second,
there's no reason to believe that things aren't going to get worse under
Clinton before they get better, if they indeed do eventually improve.  He's
promised everything to everybody, just like Hitler, and will have to inflate
in order to keep any of his promises.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
From: aspandia@unix.amherst.edu (ANAND SANKAR PANDIAN)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: SOMALIAN ENVIRONMENT
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:35:16 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Does anyone know anything about the environmental history of Somalia,
and whether the current famine is due in any part to bad development
policy on the part of the World Bank or IMF and/or unequal land 
distribution ? Is overgrazing and overcropping of marginal lands a 
primary cause of the Somalian famine, as it is in much of the Sahel?

Please post responses or send them too me. Thanks.

Anandd Pandian
aspandian@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:57:10 EST
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.

In article <1992Nov11.004428.19095@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, albert@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov10.231148.6170@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
|> >markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
|> >
|> >>In case nobody has noticed, this is NOT 1976, it's 1932!
|> >
|> >Really, were you alive back in 1932?
|> >
|> >If not, how would you know what it was like in 1932?
|> >
|> >My grandparents seem to think that things are a whole lot better today then
|> >they were in 1932, Clinton propaganda nonwithstanding.
|> >
|> Well, all of the people who were alive in 1932 that I've talked to have
|> the opinion that things are *alot worse* now than in 1932, since we now
|> have a $4 trillion debt handcuff-- where is Clinton going to get the money
|> to implement a `New Deal' to put people back to work?  [...]
|> 

This, IMHO, is one of the best things about our current debt/deficit
situation, it places a severe restraint on *more* government spending.
In the first place, I happen to think that 24% of GNP is plenty (it
should be less, and historically has been less).  Secondly, the notion
that government can somehow spend money and put people back to work
is a Keynesian fantasy.  If the debt is financed by borrowing, the
government is simply sucking money out of the private economy (where
it would be used by businesses to expand) resulting is slower
growth.  If it is financed by the printing press, there may be a net increase
in jobs in the short term, but inflation will rear its ugly head
once again.  If increased government spending is simply covered with
higher taxes, there will be less money being spent in the private 
sector.  I don't believe that government can *on net* create new jobs
via fiscal policy.  It can rearrange which jobs exist, but this won't
necessarily improve the overall picture.



James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:35:29 GMT


It would be interesting to explore whether net.access could be 
interpreted as an employment benefit, in a legal sense. In that
case, there probably are legal constraints as to the circumstances
under which John's employer could withhold that benefit. The policy
cited in the warning John received sounded far too vague to be 
understood as anything other than arbitrary. And it may well be the
case that an employer cannot ARBITRARILY deny an employee a benefit.
This is at least in part, a contractural issue, and John's written
employment contract with AT&T should be examined. A court might also
hold that the customary provision of net.access to employees, absent
a written contractural reference, nonetheless creates an implicit 
contractual relationship regarding such access. Separate from the
contract law issue, there may be areas of labor relations law which
apply.

I am not a lawyer. The above is speculative opinion only.

-Steve
From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: 50 WOMEN U.S. SENATORS !
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:07:43 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire



                          50 WOMEN U.S. SENATORS !

               In a philosophy class here at UW-EC last fall (1991), 
          Dr. Bruce Jannusch suggested the idea of a Constitutional 
          Amendment REQUIRING one male AND ONE FEMALE U.S. Senator 
          from each State.

               WHY DON'T YOU WOMEN GO FOR IT?!


                                   Robert E. McElwaine


          P.S.: Pass this on.
From: bud@mtek.com (Bud Hovell)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Reply-To: bud@mtek.com
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:32:59 GMT

marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:

>Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Indeed. Expecially when delivered up by the voters.

>The coldest cut:  After a stint at EEOC, Hill is appointed to the
>Court.

Yes, the ABA would undoubtedly certify her as "highly qualified",
given her total lack of any experience as a judge, and being a law
professor of considerably less than eminent distinction. She would
also undoubtedly receive the enthusiastic endorsement of such main-
stream organizations as N.O.W.

On the other hand, Slick Willie might decide to appoint his wife,
thus following in that fine liberal tradition established by the
late and virtuous John Kennedy.

One can only hope for such political maladroitness. :-)
-- 
________________________________________________________________
bud@mtek.com ... uunet!m2xenix!mtek!bud ... bud@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
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Throughput!
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: hagemann@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Brian Hagemann)
Subject: BP Boycott Announcement
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:56:15 GMT


                     TOXIC TUESDAY
              BP BOYCOTT NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION!
               (It's not just in Ohio anymore)

                   NOVEMBER 10, 1992

	By now, you've probably heard of the BP BOYCOTT, a part of Ohio's
corporate accountability campaign of British Petroleum.  In an attempt to
unite campus environmental groups aroung the state and in an effor to 
build a livale future, BP is targeted for its pollution record and practices.
SEACers have struggled to mobilize a powerful force of grassroots pressure
to demand that BP be more responsible both socially and ecologically.

                 WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT BP?...Take your pick...

1. BP produces 5 times more toxics per $1000 sale than the oil industry's
    average.
2. BP ranks as the largest polluter in Ohio, the 4th largest polluter in the
    United States, and the 3rd largest polluter of toxic waste on Earth.\
3. BP is leading the charge to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
    (ANWR) to oil drilling.
4. BP is the 2nd largest oil company fueling the Apartheid government in
    South Africa.
5. BP is the majority owner of Alyeska, the consortium of oil companies
    responsible for the botched cleanup of the Exxon Valdez oil spill.
6. BP fueled the Persian Gulf War.
7. BP refuses to comply with the MacBride principles, which assure fair
    hiring practices of Irish workers in Ireland.
8. In Brazil, BP has been criticized for destroying several thousand acres 
    of rainforest.  BP has also been charged with rainforest destruction
    in Southeast Asia.

The campaign has been growing and now several groups around the country
have shown interest in expanding the Boycott to a National scale.  In
response, Ohio SEAC is organizing Toxic Tuesday on November 10 as a Day of
Action on which grassroots environmental groups can join the Boycott with
actions such as station pickets.  All that is needed to participate in 
Toxic Tuesday is a free afternoon, some facts sheets, and the desire
to bring Corporate America's pollution habits into the spotlight.

SUGGESTED ACTIONS FOR TOXIC TUESDAY:

-BP station pickets 
-Teach-ins
-Guerrilla Theater (toxic suits)
-Go carless
-Have a local politician pledge to boycott BP
-Cut up a BP credit card.  Send the leftovers to BP and tell them what
  you think
-Invent your own toxic tuesday actions.


More information is available, including the history of the boycott, BP's
actions toward Ohio SEAC, and information packets and flyers.  If any of
you SEACers out there DO want more information, PLEASE CONTACT:

Ohio U. SEAC
57 1/2 N. Court St.
Athens, OH. 45701
614-59-GREEN


            THANKS and HAVE FUN!


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:52:25 GMT

peter@kbs.citri.edu.au (Peter Wallis) writes:

>I've just seen it to. two comments:
>1) the music; camera work etc is (I believe) part of a new aproach to
>   documetary making. It is a jaunra thingy, and all apart of the process
>   of making a documentary which will be seen by more people.

Sorry to have to do this, and I *hate* it when people do this to
me, but here goes: when you say "It is a jaunra thingy" might you
possibly mean a "genre thingy?" Some day you'll thank me for this.


Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."


Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: acampbell@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 06 Nov 92 14:54 EST
Subject: government organic food purchase
Nf-ID: #N:peg:224400111:000:1838
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!acampbell    Nov  6 14:54:00 1992



GREEN ISSUE?

Food certified as organic ie produced without any artificial
fertilisers, herbicides, or pesticides and processed in an
appropriate way is moving slowly but surely from being the concern
of a minority to the mainstream.

This trend seems positive as certified organic food production
encourages sustainable use of resources.

A shift by Australia to an all organic agriculture would possibly
have the following affects.

1.A massive reduction in asthma, skin disease, immune deficiency
problems etc.
2.A reduction in blue algae pollution.
3.Elimination of the foreign currency spent on imports of various
chemicals and fertilisers.
4.Either elimination of imports of food or a change by foreign
farmers to organic production.
5.A massive increase in the acceptability of Australian exports of
food particularly to Europe.
6. A massive rise in local employment.

i.e. healthier people, a healthier environment and wealthier to
boot.( it might even be wise as well )

It seems to me that if all levels of government in this country
were to take the lead and insist that where at all practical they
would buy organic only that the present trend to organics would
receive a massive boost.

It also seems to me to be not a bad political issue. Local
employment up, imports down, exports up, foreign debt reduced, and
a healthier environment and population.

Of course there would be a large and loud scream from various
powerful interest groups but the claim that it can not be done is
untrue. There are many successful organic farmers in this country
and overseas and they are represented by articulate organisations.
e.g. Biological Farmers of Australia

Does anyone out there think it is a worthwhile issue to take up
with an aim of achieving this change to the extent of a stated
political intention within say three years?

Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.activism.progressive,misc.education
From: albert@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.231148.6170@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
>
>>In case nobody has noticed, this is NOT 1976, it's 1932!
>
>Really, were you alive back in 1932?
>
>If not, how would you know what it was like in 1932?
>
>My grandparents seem to think that things are a whole lot better today then
>they were in 1932, Clinton propaganda nonwithstanding.
>
Well, all of the people who were alive in 1932 that I've talked to have
the opinion that things are *alot worse* now than in 1932, since we now
have a $4 trillion debt handcuff-- where is Clinton going to get the money
to implement a `New Deal' to put people back to work? Of course, if he at 
least slows the decline of the last 12 years, or even halts the decline
without any improvement whatsoever, it would be alot better that four more
years of Bush watching the country go down the toilet without the 
slightest clue what is going on.

Joseph Albert
albert@hplabs.hp.com

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,talk.rumors
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:32:16 PST

In article <lg3af4INNsss@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
>Brian Rush ) writes:
>|> >>
>|> So... Clinton is willing to appoint someone to a high position who could
>|> be a convincted perjurer if only someone had the guts to prosecute her.
>
>Gee.  3 unsupportable statements in one sentence: 1) that Clinton is willing
>to appoint her, 2) that she could be convicted of purjury, and 3) that all
>that is keeping her from being prosecuted is that all Republican attorneys
>and DA's are chicken.
>|> 
>|> Next, he'll appoint Rodney King to replace Kemp as Secretary of Housing
>|> and Urban Development.
>|> 
>|> I wonder what job he has waiting for Willie Horton.  Drug Czar?
>|> 
>|> Then, he'll make a new position to head "The Department of Liberal
>|> American Values to Force into Everyone's Home" and give that position
>|> to Madonna.
>|> 
>|> He'll appoint Magic (uh, my shoe size is larger than my IQ) Johnson to
>|> head the AIDS committe that he wimped out of earlier before even trying
>|> to do anything there.
>|> 
>|> I'll give you one guess as to the next Attorney General.  Her initials 
>|> are H.C.
>|> 
>|> These are going to be a very entertaining four years.
>
>
>Unlike the first point, which was just inaccurate and unsubsantiated
>statements of fact, this is just paranoia and fantasy taking off.  Do you
>do this stuff sober?

I guess you are not intelligent enough to understand sarcasm.>
>-- 
>These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
>occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
From: pnmideast@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 09 Nov 92 22:46 PST
Subject: Pal-Net:Wash Post: Leader Pro-Israe
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500434:000:2829
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!pnmideast    Nov  9 22:46:00 1992


From: <pnmideast>
Subject: Pal-Net:Wash Post: Leader Pro-Israel Lobby quits

Date:    Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:41:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Pro-Israel lobby
To: Palestine-Net@mcs.kent.edu

November 5,1992
The Washington Post

Leader of pro-Israel lobby in U.S. quits

Boasted of negotiating with Clinton camp, 'cutting deal' for aid

The president of American Israel Public Affairs committee, the  nation's
largest pro-Israel lobby, has resigned after being secretly taperecorded
boasting that the group was "negotiating" with the Clinton campaign about
key appointments, and claiming he "cut a deal" with then-Secretary of 
State James A. Baker III to get Israel extra aid.

David Steiner, a New Jersey real estate developer who has been an active
political donor, said in a statement Friday that he was resigning because
some statements he made in a phone call two weeks ago "went beyond overz-
ealousness and exaggeration and were simply and totally untrue." Steiner 
did not return a call to his office yesterday.

Steiner was taped by New York businessman Harry Katz, who called Steiner
Oct. 22, posing as someone who was considering donating $100,000, to pro-
Israel congressional candidates. Steiner recommended helping Sen. Robert
Kasten, R-Wis., and cited personal help he had given Sen. Rep., Les Aspin,
D-Wis.

Katz sent the tape to The Washington Times, which published a story on it
yesterday.

Kats, 42, a member of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and a 
financial consultant, said in a interview that he tricked Steiner because
"I don't think the Jewish lobby should have disproportionate political 
power. I wanted him to admit to me the incredible infiltration of Israel 
lobby into the campaign."
He said he was been in legal fights with other Jewish organizations.

A transcript of the interview shows that Steiner told Katz: "We have a 
dozen people in his (Clinton's) headquarters... and they're all going to 
get big jobs." He also said, " we're negotiating" with the Clinton camp
on who might be secretary of state. Asked who he was hoping for, Steiner
replied: "I've got a list. But I can't really go through it. I'm not 
allowed to talk about it."

An committee official, who asked not to be identified, said there was no
such list and the group had no discussion with the Clinton campaign about
possible appointments.

Avis Lavelle, a spokeswoman for the Clinton campaign, said there were
"several people prominent in the Jewish community in this campaign"
but "we are not negotiating with anybody about any job."

Steiner also said in his talk with Katz that he had met with Baker and 
"cut a deal with him." Besides Israel's $3 billion a year in U.S. 
foreign aid, "I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people
don't even know about."




Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,talk.rumors
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:57:26 PST

In article <1doptuINNc5r@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov () writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.023120.2114@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>>In article <69.X666X@ramona.com> doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes:
>>>EEOC Commissioner. Note that the EEOC is the agency where Hill was working
>>>when she was sexually harassed by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,
>>>who was then the EEOC Commissioner.
>>
>>She offered no evidence that she was harassed by anyone.
>>
So... Clinton is willing to appoint someone to a high position who could
be a convincted perjurer if only someone had the guts to prosecute her.

Next, he'll appoint Rodney King to replace Kemp as Secretary of Housing
and Urban Development.

I wonder what job he has waiting for Willie Horton.  Drug Czar?

Then, he'll make a new position to head "The Department of Liberal
American Values to Force into Everyone's Home" and give that position
to Madonna.

He'll appoint Magic (uh, my shoe size is larger than my IQ) Johnson to
head the AIDS committe that he wimped out of earlier before even trying
to do anything there.

I'll give you one guess as to the next Attorney General.  Her initials 
are H.C.

These are going to be a very entertaining four years.
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 07 Nov 92 19:54 PST
Subject: Somalian activist on PBS
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500431:000:1109
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov  7 19:54:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalian activist on PBS

/* Written  7:26 pm  Nov  7, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.apc.org in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "Somalian activist on PBS" ---------- */
Reply-To: "FORUM PAN-AFRICA (Peer Distribution List)"              <AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      Somalian activist on PBS

Sharon Pauling of Bread for the World has done an interview for the
MacNeil/Lehrer news hour that should be broadcast next week or the week
after.  I have high hopes for her spreading the word about the public
inquiry into the UN delays--Bread for the World is a Christian anti-hunger
organization that was  working for aid to Somalia when there was no
media coverage to speak of.  They are terrific, in my opinion, and
they have 45,000 members who write and phone congress, meet, pray, and
keep themselves informed about world hunger.

They call for greatly increased food aid to Somalia, UN intervention, and
now, the public inquiry into the delays.

I sometimes miss McN/L, so if anybody sees this show, please post about it.
Thanks.
Dorothy
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Riot at UCSC!
Keywords: Riot Fees UCSC
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:03:32 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

slugs@cats.ucsc.edu (Vincent Edward Cantore) writes:

>	11/09/92
>
>		At approximately 6:30 pm riot police marched on students
>	in UCSC McHenry Library. Mace and unnecessary force were used
>        to remove to remove them from the doorway of the Chancelor's
>        Office.
				.
				.
				.
>... in defense of those that would keep us from educating ourselves cannot be
>tolerated.


With all due respect, nobody is 'keeping' you from educating yourselves.

In the abstract, as life itself is the main lesson, IMHO, it is unstoppable,
learning is like gravity, IE, a force of nature.

In the concrete, specific aspect, I can say, as someone whom has educated
themselves totally without college or tutorial assistance, that if you want
to learn, nothing can stop you from acquiring - or applying - knowledge.

And if you don't _want_ to learn, nothing - all the king's professors and
all the school's labs - can't make you.


I hope you've _learned_ to avoid instigating riots or invoking rhetoric in
defense of your power struggles.


-- richard

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