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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting Junkies Anonymous (was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound)
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:40:41 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep28.211107.7719@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
<In article <1992Sep28.165043.20888@ms.uky.edu< fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)  
<writes:
<< They are in the business, after all, of making things today seem
<< worse than yesterday.  Like at Duke.
<
<Well.  Duke was #1 all last year.  Duke is not #1 this year in 
<anybody's poll.  Therefore, things today are worse than yesterday.
<But, hopefully, still better than anywhere else.


Wait a minute, I took an exit poll from Wally Wade Saturday night (given
they trailed 41-7 at halftime, the exit poll went on for quite a while).
Here were the results:

1. Duke
2. Duke
3. Who cares
-inf. (three guesses)

Actually, I wonder how the student populous is going to take it this year
if Duke loses three or four home games.  


-- 
Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC
   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
From: JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu (John Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:10:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92273.111047JXJ101
 <1992Sep28.161039.21805@rtsg.mot.com>
 <1992Sep28.152813.26935@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <BvBpnC.EB9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

A couple years ago I would have said rec hall here at Penn State, but in the
last two years we've been beaten twice there.  We had a streak of twenty-some
games (I think) in the A10 that we won.  Temple and Rutgers messed that up in
the last couple years, though. I guess chances are that that trend will con-
tinue with us hosting Michigan, among other B10 opponents.  At any rate, it's
a fun place to watch a BBall game because it's fairly small, old, and get's
fairly loud if the students show up (and I do mean if).  This year is the
first year we have to pay for tickets, so I guess chances are that people will
start showing for games they have tickets for.  Alas, we're gonna be building
a fairly large new BBall arena (er, I mean 'convocation center') for the men's
team, so the games might get a little quieter and more distant for the fans.
At rec hall, the 1st row of students are about 3 feet from the sideline of the
court.
-John Johnson
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Indiana Recruiting
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:24:07 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep28.111217.13131@dg-rtp.dg.com>, foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:
>  Greg Williams 6-2 PG Reston, VA. Another kid that just entered into the
>         picture. Poop is that he really wanted to go to Duke but Duke has a
>         jam at guard so he wants to go to another Top 5 program. Has 
>         scheduled a visit to Indiana. Hopefully IU can get either Williams
>         or Vaughn.

Williams is actually from Fairfax, Va. not Reston.  He went to the same high
school that Tommy Amaker attended.  I had recently read that Duke had never
really courted him, according to his high school coach.  He apparently has
a 22' range, but had a lackluster junior year.  

Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
	"Fried Ice Cream is a reality"--G.Clinton
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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject:  Kentucky Tidbit
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Jeff Sheppard, the kid KU just signed is from Atlanta, GA. He's also
a big fan of Rex Chapman. He took an unofficial visit to KU in August.
Rumor has it that they had a locker with Sheppard's name on it and a 
jersey with with Sheppard's name and Chapman's number on it.

Isn't that special!!!!!!! 

That's more tolerable than $80,000 and a Chevy Blazer.

-- 

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From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:40:38 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu

peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>Conferences (the teams to watch out for, winner listed first):
>>
>>Big 10: Michigan, Indiana, Illinois

>	Hmmm.  Hey Steve, I guess the Boilers will be surprising
>	everyone again this year.  Illinois 3rd?  Maybe.  I guess
>	Sport thinks that Andy Kaufmann and the frosh Keene will
>	be enough to climb up from last year's 13-16...

Well, Kaufmann is a scoring machine, which is what Illinois
needed last year. And Deon Thomas is supposed to have improved
so much in the past year that he will be going pro after this
season. And the word on Keene is he is for real and will be  the
starting PG. 

>| Randy Peppler               |

Stanford S. Guillory
guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Student Ticket Distribution at Schools--a survey
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:31:07 GMT

rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey) writes:
>
>   1. How are tickets distributed at your school?

Buy them at the gate or the athletic department ticket office.
Season passes are also available at the AD ticket office.  Seating
is not a problem.  Even against good competition students can get
good midcourt seats from floor level up to 20 rows or so by showing
up about an hour before game time.  You can get seats that are ten
rows up, but right at the end line even if you show up after the
game starts.  Duke, this ain't.  It does give me some pleasure to
know that I get better seats for Husky vs. Arizona games than
most Wildcat alums have ever had.


>   2. How much do they cost? Are they for all home games? 

I think individual tickets are $4.  Season passes are $25 for
either men's or women's tickets or $45 for both.  The women's
team which is much more competitive than the men's team usually
sells more tickets (at least the last three years), although
they don't sell as many student tickets.  My suspition is that they
men would sell out if they were seriously competitive, although
the last time that happened was a few years before I got here
and so I can't say from first hand experience.  The season passes
are for all home games except NCAA tournament games.  The women's
first and second round games are at the home site of the higher
ranked team, and thus the UW women's team has often hosted one
of the NCAA tournament games.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:29:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bvo2AJ.98u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>On October 13, the 1992-93 edition of NCAA Preview Magazine will hit the
>newsstands.  The IDS received a complimentary copy of this through the mail
>Friday, and I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with it's thorough
>coverage of not only the Division I men, but also the Div II & III men and
>all the women's divisions.
>
>The Top 40 in this mag is compiled by tabulating NCAA Division I coaches'
>ballots and has nothing to do with their conference previews.  It looks
>something like this:
>
> 1. Michigan				21. Cincinnati
> 2. Duke    :)				22. UConn
> 3. Indiana :)				23. Wake Forest
> 4. Kentucky				24. Iowa
> 5. Kansas				25. Michigan State
> 6. North Carolina			26. Alabama
> 7. Seton Hall				27. Tulane
> 8. Florida				28. Arizona State
> 9. Arizona				29. Georgia
>10. Memphis State			30. Oklahoma State
>11. Ohio State				31. Nebraska

	Ohio State deserves to be in this list, but at number 11??
Get real! With J.J.( Jim Jackson ), Mark Baker, and Jim Jent gone. Do
you expect Mr. Funderburke to cary the load? 
	I say Ohio State should be rated between 25 and 35, and to break the
top twenty by seasons end.
>Big Ten (Terry Boers, Chicago Sun-Times):
>1. Indiana
>2. Michigan
>3. Michigan St.
>4. Iowa
>5. Illinois
>6. Purdue
>7. Ohio St.
>8. Minnesota
>9. Wisconsin
>10. Northwestern
>11. Penn St.
>
	Ohio State should finish third in the Big Ten this year.

	Don't let my Ohio State bashing fool you, I am a Ohio State
Buckeyes Fan, but have always felt that their high preseason rankings have
been too generous!

- Dan
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Inside Sports Poll
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:43:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct4.114342.27007
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <BvKnAM.BB2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rjm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ryan Mitchell) writes:

>I hate to be a one-sided, narrow-viewed fan, but what about Purdue?
>They aren't really going to be all that bad, are they?  I fully 
>expect them to at least make the NCAA's, so why is everyone 
>overlooking them?  Any input?

Shhhh!  Quiet!!!  Don't you know that Gene's boys do better when they
aren't supposed to?  Be very quiet......
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Faulkner to Cincy?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  1 Oct 92 16:16:21 GMT

Today's LA Times (10/1) had a long article on Arizona State "Athletics".
In it, there was a hint that Jamal Faulkner, last year's PAC-10 Freshman
of the year, will transfer to Cincinatti.

The article also said that this is the first time in a decade that ASU
doesn't have a team on probation.
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:14:18 GMT

In article <1afr8mINNj5@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>>Conferences (the teams to watch out for, winner listed first):
>>>
>>>Big 10: Michigan, Indiana, Illinois
>
>>	Hmmm.  Hey Steve, I guess the Boilers will be surprising
>>	everyone again this year.  Illinois 3rd?  Maybe.  I guess
>>	Sport thinks that Andy Kaufmann and the frosh Keene will
>>	be enough to climb up from last year's 13-16...
>
>Well, Kaufmann is a scoring machine, which is what Illinois
>needed last year. And Deon Thomas is supposed to have improved
>so much in the past year that he will be going pro after this
>season. And the word on Keene is he is for real and will be  the
>starting PG. 

	I agree about Kaufmann, but like with so many others, you
	just don't know how he will be after sitting out a year.
	Look at Nick Anderson.  The guy is a god on a basketball
	floor, but he had a pretty nondescript first year here...
	I won't disagree about Deon either, but as far as freshman
	making a huge impact, there's been a few like Magic Johnson,
	Isiah Thomas, and then Webber and Rose at Michigan.  They
	can't always be counted on like that...  I still say that
	Sport went out on a limb with this pick, though most everyone
	agrees that Illinois and Purdue will be the most improved
	teams this winter in the Big Ten...

-- 
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:41:57 GMT

foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	You've got to be kidding me.  Jamison was not by far their best player
>|> 	-- KU also had 1st-team all-big 8 players in Adonis Jordan and
>|> 	Rex Walters.  Plus, they pick up 2 HS McDonald's All-Americans in
>|> 	Darrin Hancock and Calvin Rayford.  That more than makes up for the
>|> 	loss of Jamison.  While other teams may return more starters -- the
>|> 	talent level at Kansas is much higher.
>|>  
>|> 

>So Jamison was so bad they made him an All Big-8 player also??

	That wasn't my point.  My point was that while they lost an excellent
	player in Jamison -- he really isn't going to be that high of a loss,
	especially with Jordan/Walters back, and the addition of Hancock,
	Rayford, and Pearson.

	Jazzy J
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:24:10 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>R.CLOUGH writes:
>|> 
>|> For what it's worth, Sport just put out its Sweet Sixteen for next year.
>|>  Here are the teams, and a summary of their reasons (or what passed for them).
>|> 5. Kentucky-- "Next up for Pitino is governorship of Kentucky."
>
>How can you lose Pelphrey, Farmer, Feldhaus and Woods and be ranked this high
>is another mild surprise. 
>
It had taken those players 3 years to learn to play Pitino's system as
well as they ran it at the end of last season. After UK dismantled
Alabama, Caywood said he had never seen a Kentucky team play as well.
That's at least 39 years of play. So many people think of sports as
all physical skill, but being able to expect your team mates to do
the right thing at the right time is more essential, and at the end
of last season all of the players were in synch. It won't be that
way again for several seasons. So unless the NBA is destroyed by
God's righteous indignation over player salaries coupled with a 
simultaneous warping of NCAA requirements to give Mashburn a 6th year 
of eligibility, I think our drain pipe of opportunity to sneak into the 
Final Four has passed for awhile.

Also, these rankings are warped to please the suckers.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:54:21 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 [hmm? odd name...must come from some other planet] 

>Jeff Davis writes:

>>Whew...Duke better make use of him FAST!!! Quicker and a better rebounder
>>than the #1 college player in the country last year
>

>Perhaps I should have added "at the same points in their career."  Laettner
>was not as highly regarded as Beard coming into college, as I'm sure you know.
>And he has always been slightly slow, and a decent, but not great, rebounder.
>Beard averaged 10 boards a game and seven blocks in his junior year, so the
>potential is there to surpass Laettner in these areas.

Right you are, Don Pardo. Just a mild cautionary jape for those with
the same addiction as the recruiting mainliners. Which CAN be treated.
Although the addict has to do most of the work himself.

>  And Beard CAN shoot.  But I'm sure you knew that too.

This fellow also has 2 beards. But we all knew that, too.
-- 
Coach Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Season: 0-5 Life: 0-7
From: chrisp@acpub.duke.edu (Christopher Pelham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:19:15 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <5711@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <5698@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>{on Jerry Stackhouse}:
>>   I agree that too much is made of the difference between SF and PF, but do
>>you really want to put a 6-5 guy in the post?  
>
>I hate to follow-up to my own post, but I made an error here.  Stacks is
>actually 6-7.  I still wouldn't want him as my primary post player, though.
>
>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
>			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner


Recall what Larry Johnson and Byron Houston could do in the low post at 6'5".
And if you ever saw Tony Dawson (also 6'7", I believe) play while at FSU,
you would remember that he could and would score from anywhere and everywhere
on the court.  I must admit though that while he was nearly unstoppable when
he could get the ball in the  low post, it was due to his advantage in 
quickness and the great variety of his moves more than his power.  From what
I have seen Stackhouse is stronger and can outjump and rebound Dawson, will
probably be able to outrebound G. Hill who manages to hold his own down low.
So, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  IF Duke gets him, they will be so
quick and versatile and disruptive that they won't have to worry about matching
up; it will be the other team which will have to adapt.

One other note.  I disagree with Rob on prob. starting forwards on 93-4 team
(w/o Stackhouse).  I think it more likely that:

PF	Lang (backed by Newton and Moore)
SF	Beard (backed by G. Hill and Moore or Clark)

Reason:  I know Lang played guard in high school but we just haven't seen him
  contribute much on the perimeter.  And if he's playing down low then it would
  make more sense to have Beard in with him than Lang.  Newton might also get
  in ahead of Meek when Parks comes out.
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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:11:12 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1a9tfcINNr84@cs.utexas.edu>, wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
|> |In article <1992Sep28.164811.12415@dg-rtp.dg.com>, foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:
|> |>Looks like a double-edged sword for Dookies. They got a good one in
|> |>Joey Beard but now have no real shot at Jerry Stackhouse. I don't think
|> |>this will hurt Duke that much but I'd still take Stackhouse over 
|> |>any kid (regardless of position) in a minute.
|> |
|> I don't understand, Stackhouse is a small forward, right?  Why wouldn't
|> he want to go to a school that just recruited two good power forwards.
|> Of course, he might be afraid of all that success and fame...
|> 
|> Rick
Stackhouse can play anything he wants to, wherever he wants to and whenever
he wants to.

What is the distinction between a small forward and a power forward anyway?
Yea, the name denotes size,height whatever but is there really a distinction
anymore. A forward is a forward. He's got to be able to get up and down the
floor, shoot out to 15 feet and be able to rebound.

Beard is a bean pole. If he's what you call a "power forward" then you don't 
have very much power. Beard is an outside player who can go inside, Newton is 
a inside player who can go outside. (Thanks, scott bradley).

Duke has 4 quality forwards. Why would I want to sign with a school with
that many forwards especially when I could go to FSU where I could be a
starter and leader right away. Looking at FSU's roster from last year, they
only had 1 player considered a forward (Dick Vitale's book) and that
was Doug Edwards. He's a senior this year

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: landay+@CS.CMU.EDU (James A Landay)
Subject: Re: Carolina Preview, Part I-III
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:37:21 GMT

In article <9209292050.AA13707@walt.disney>, chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:
  [ 3 excellent Carolina reports deleted]


What I want to know is when they are going to hire Curtis at
UNC!!!  Someone ought to send these reports in...
From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: ACC Preview (Curtis babbles)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:37:01 GMT




A short preview of the upcoming ACC basketball season.   I've given a guess
at the conference record for each team and a rough power rating to indicate
how strong I think the teams will be.  A quick list of key points for each
team indicates strengths, weaknesses, and question marks I see for each
team.

I see the league shaping up like this:

Tier I:  FSU, Carolina, Duke
Tier II: Wake, Tech, UVa, State
Tier III: Maryland, Clemson

I don't see anyone jumping out of these tiers, although Wake is the most
likely if any.  Clemson might up and create Tier IV.


A longer (approx 1 page) analysis of each team will appear in the near future.
A very long UNC preview will be out shortly.



FSU   (92)  13-3
	o Pressure of being #1 and a known quantity.
	o Integrating Ward.
	o Playing under control (composure).
	o Coaching?
	o Streaky outside shooting.

Carolina (90) 12-4
	o Outside shooting.
	o Team chemistry.
	o Replacing Hubert's production.
	o The rise of Montross?
	o Phelps' and Reese's improvement are important.

Duke  (87) 11-5
	o Depth (I think it's worse than last year)
	o Inside play.
	o Grant Hill's outside shooting, post-up game.
   o Can last season's starters excellent chemistry be replaced?

Wake (80)  9-7
	o Rodney Rogers.
	o Handling Childress' return.
	o Integrating freshmen/transfers.
	o Lack of experience.
	o Rodney Rogers.

Georgia Tech (77)  8-8
	o Is there a shooting guard in the house?
	o Quality depth.
	o Mackey as a center (Is Mackey a center? Does he want to be?)

Virginia (74)  7-9
	o Will UVa be this year's Wake? (point and 4 wing/power forwards)
	o Is there a shooting guard in the house?
	o Lack of a true center.
	o Lack of outside shooting. (except for Cory Alexander)
	o Is the coaching a question mark? (late game especially)

NC State (70)  6-10
	o Still a young team.
	o Any inside offensive play after Thompson?
	o How well will Kornegay and Fuller play?
	o There must be improved point play.
	o Consistent outside shooting.

Maryland  (62) 4-12
	o They're young.
	o Will Burns be alone inside?
	o They're young.
	o A lack of perimeter shooting.
	o They're young.
	o Will Johnny Rhodes make an impact?
	o They're young.
	o Simpkins could be key to respectabilty.
	o They're young.

Clemson (55) 2-14
	o Integrating JUCOs.
	o Consistency.
	o Will there be inside help for Wright and how is his knee?
	o Stability(jucos, who's starting, who's playing, is the coach a lame duck?)




Curtis Hill
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