HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brian@mtl.mit.edu (brian foley)
Subject: Re: Springfield, Illinois
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:56:56 GMT

In article <BxtxCG.H2F@rice.edu> starke@newsrice.edu (Sean Starke) writes:

>|> >the worst city in America by Time magazine.
>|> >In the latest U.S. News survey,(or Newsweek?), Springfield, IL
>|> >was voted one of the worst places in the country to live 
>|> 
>|> >Also the Simpson's rival power plant is in Shelbyville, which
>|> >is a small town outside of Springfield, Illinois.
>|> 
>|> >Does anyone have any more evidence?


I hate to burst the bubble of all the 'Illinois theorists', but if you go

back and watch the 'Mister Plow' episode you'll see that the Senator who

is transfering ownership of the key to the city is none other than Ted

"where's my pants" Kennedy. This clue along with the fact that Sprinfield,

Massachusetts is also a pretty bad city, and that any cartoon character

living in Massachusetts can also drive to both Detroit and Mexico in one

day, there is no other conclusion to come to; Homer, Marge and family call 

Massachusetts home.


signed

Brian 'further fodder for the fire' Foley
From: news@ossi.com (OSSI Newsstand)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: In the Navy (Village P)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:36:48 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheops.ossi.com

scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

>In article <1992Nov23.104927.428@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> flaps@explorer.dgp (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>>syracurg@lp.musc.edu writes:
>>>     Was The Village People really a "gay (male) disco band", or was
>>>   that just a part of their act.  I never knew that.
>>
>>I'm fairly sure that they really were.  There was a substantial gay disco
>>subculture at the time.

>Of the members of "The Village People", supposedly two of them were
>gay, one bisexual, the rest straight.  I honestly don't remember where I 
>read that but the point being that it was a rather mixed group.

>Back in the 70's, the group was an inside gay joke.  They dressed
>in traditional "manly" clothes (cowboy, construction worker, etc.) and 
>sang songs about being "manly" that had not-so-subtle double meanings.
>The "joke", however, was much more subtle and was a social commentary
>on the illusion of sex roles we all cling to - not only the illusion of
>"macho" but the illusion of "not-macho".  Too heavy for most people 
>who probably simply enjoyed the disco beat and let things go at face value.

>Rumor had it that the U.S. Navy was considering using "In the Navy" as
>a jingle in their recruitment ads - until somebody explained it to
>the brass.

>-- 
>Scott Amspoker                       |    
>Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
>                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
>scott@bbx.basis.com                  |


Yes that really happened with the US Navy !
Geez! Were they pissed!

I met the village people a few years ago when I was more active in
show business.  They are a real riot even in person.
They have changed 2 people since they started at the time I last saw
them.  They still have a following in europe.
From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Itchy & Scrathy The Movie, Homer's Death
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:29:50 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1992Nov10.175832.12107@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 17:58:32 GMT

>> Well, we got it from God in Homer the Heretic that Homer
>> will die at the end of the season.  We get it from the
>> episode guide that Homer will have a heart attack.  And
>> we get it from I&S,TM that Homer will survive said heart
>> attack, and take Bart to the movies.
> Except that the the "40 years in the future" is Homer's
> fantasy.

=\= Actually I see no reason why Homer can't die during his
heart attack and then be brought back to life.  Lotsa "near-
death experiences" occur with clinically dead heart attack
patients.  And don't forget, Bart had just such an experience
when Burns ran him over with his car . . .

=\= Besides, cartoon characters are pretty resilient to death.

> You don't really think that Bart will become a Supreme
> Court Justice?!

=\= Why not?  If an utter doofoid like Clarence Thomas
can get it, why not Bart?                                  .--.
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From: KitchenRN@ssd0.laafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Springfield - a state of mind
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:52:24 -0500
Organization: Widener University Mail/News Gateway
Distribution: world

In relation to the subject of "just where IS Springfield, anyway?" --

Springfield was the name of the town where "Father Knows Best" was situated.  
The ultimate" perfect family" series.
From: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: MARGE GETS A JOB - BOARD
Date: 14 Nov 92 17:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess)
Organization: Outland BBS  UUPCB  403-475-9588

"I Will Not Bring Sheep To Class"????

Hmmm.... up here in Edmonton, we got "I will not teach others to fly"
(which is similar to "Bart Gets An F"'s Board). Odd...

chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
                                                 
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From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Subject: Re: 4th series on Oz? (was Re: This week in Oz)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:30:00 GMT

In <1992Nov18.015531.19216@ucc.su.OZ.AU> studer@physics.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Studer) writes:

>In article <1eae9cINNarh@cs.widener.edu> c8923075@mystra.newcastle.edu.au (Chris Baird) writes:
>>The complimentary television guide I receive with my groceries lists
>>*only* (not a two-fer, waauggh!:( ``Homer Alone'' for this Sunday; no
>>thanks to Network Ten showing a `The Making of' special for ``Home
>>Alone II'' at 8pm.

>According to my Sydney Morning Herald "Pink" guide, the episode synopsis
>for next Sunday's Simpsons looked an awful lot like:

>KAMP KRUSTY

>In other words, the new series might be starting... 

Yep.. the Age Green Guide lists it as "Kamp Krusty", then says something
like "Bart and Lisa go to Kamp Krusty, leaving Homer Alone with Marge.

It's all Ten's way of trying to run a Home Alone evening theme..
including the film at 8:30pm, though I forget what that is..


Daniel Bowen
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From: rcharbon@athena.mit.edu (Ray Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Springfield, Illinois
Keywords: Dumb Threads, Springfield, Where
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:06:12 GMT


|> In article <1992Nov15.072245.3432@Princeton.EDU> ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson) writes:
|> >
|> >Last week's episode (11/12) provided further proof that 
|> >the Simpson's Springfield is Springfield, Illinois.  
|> >It was mentioned in the show that Springfield was voted 
|> >the worst city in America by Time magazine.
|> >In the latest U.S. News survey,(or Newsweek?), Springfield, IL
|> >was voted one of the worst places in the country to live 
|> >(approximately 295th out of 300 cities in the survey).
|> >Does anyone have any more evidence?

Note the keywords and the last line... this is bait, folks.

-- 
Ray Charbonneau              | The fifth dentist makes all the money.
rcharbon@athena.mit.edu      |             -- me
MIT and the Library Systems Office are glad that I'm posting my opinions
here so that they don't have to listen to them anymore.
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:38:07 IST
From: Shlomo <X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Simpsons in comercials
 <1992Nov16.224427.27625@rchland.ibm.com> <92323.184638X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
 <ELM.92Nov20030302@terrorism.berkeley.edu>

In article <ELM.92Nov20030302@terrorism.berkeley.edu>, elm@cs.berkeley.edu
(ethan miller) says:
>=>never heard of a Corolla? The most popular car of all time!
>=>I believe the Corolla has been sold the most worldwide, than any other
>=> car in history.
>
>Not even close.  The most popular car in history is the VW Beetle.
>They sold more than 20(?) million of those over about 50 years.

sorry. what I meant was that for the past 10 (or so ) years, it has outsold
 all other cars.
I could be wrong, too (the info is from an ad. by toyota, so It could be
 slanted, warped, or totally wrong.) :-)
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From: rbrbrn@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Robert Holmes)
Subject: Re: Why producers would never admit to reading this newsgroup
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:36:11 GMT

In article <17NOV92.06423638@umbc2.umbc.edu> noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>	Some people said they performed an experiment to see if somone who 
>helped make "The Simpsons" read the newsgroup and had some success.  Then it 
>was asked "Why don't say they read it?"
>	The following is based on personal expereince from being on a mailing 
>list for a certain cartoon series where the producer actually appeared.

Do you people really believe that the producers read this newsgroup?  Are you
that grandiose or just nieve?  I really hope that you don't think that they get
ideas from this group.  God, help us all!!!

BARON

Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: mhammond@bnr.ca (Mike Hammond)
Subject: Re: DYN for Mr. Plow (19/11/92 USA)
Reply-To: mhammond@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:01:21 GMT

In article <92324.214756MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>, <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
|> Quick one that comes to mind from tonights episode:
|> 
|> When the snow men were melting after Homer and Barnie made up, they looked
|> eerily reminiscent of the Meltin' Nazi's at the end of _Raiders of the Lost
|> Ark_
|> 
|> Great episode...
|> 
|> Slainte mhath,
|> 
|> Mike

Plus, when Homer went to rescue Barney, he crossed that rotting footbridge.
I personally find this to be reminiscent (tho' I don't believe it's a true
reference) of the footbridge scene from ``Indiana Jones and the Temple of
Doom''.

*PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT CALLING THIS A REFERENCE!!!* :-)

-- 
(By the way, please don't try to e-mail me between September and December
1992, because I won't receive it. Please post any responses instead.
Thanx. (However, feel free to e-mail any flames! :-) :-)

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:47:55 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: DYN for Mr. Plow (19/11/92 USA)

Quick one that comes to mind from tonights episode:

When the snow men were melting after Homer and Barnie made up, they looked
eerily reminiscent of the Meltin' Nazi's at the end of _Raiders of the Lost
Ark_

Great episode...

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Mr Plow (Yes, Another Reference)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Homer filling the thermos with Duff struck me as awfully similar
to the old Warner Bros. cartoon with the rescue dog going up the
mountain to the scene of an avalanche, digging the victim out,
opening his little keg, mixing a martini, drinking the martini,
and wandering off.

You're free to not think this is a reference if you so desire!

			James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: DYN in Bart Gets a Girlfriend question
Keywords: eat more northern exposer [sic] moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:27:51 GMT

THE SETUP:
I usually watch OFF on my 27 inch tv at home...
As Homer and Marge were ordering at the all-you-can-eat place,
I noticed the lifebuoy on the wall said "SS Minnow" which those
of us who watch way too much TV know comes from Gilligan's Island.

THE PAYOFF:
Later in the week, I watched it again at my girlfriend's house on
her 19 inch set, and wonder of wonders, the lifebuoy was too small
to make out the wording.

THE QUESTION:
Any of you know of any subtle references like this that I might
be missing when I watch on the crampy screenage?

MISC:
Keep repeating: "I will not participate in Ayn Rand flame wars
                 on alt.tv.simpsons."

Add to that:    "I will not try to locate the Simpson's version 
                 of Springfield in any particular country, state,
                 or county of the real world."

And finally:    "I do not really care, and never will *really* know
                 whether it was Franklin, Bach, Mozart, or randomBOB
                 playing air hockey with Jimi Hendrix in heaven."

Know it.  Live it.

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From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Maggie's price on the cash register in the opening?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:30:32 GMT
Organization: your service

> Sorry to dissapoint you, but Maggie's price is just
> a bunch of random characters.  (they don't even
> look like roman characters)

----------

Sorry to disappoint YOU, but it IS a price, and it's definitely
readable.  It's something like $847.63, or maybe a dime less.
And it's not random - it's the same every time.  Get a better VCR.

You're right, they're not roman.  Why would they do that?
Have you EVER seen a price scanner in the USA that uses
roman numerals???  They're arabic!
From: moric00@DMI.USherb.CA (Chris)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Simpsons in comercials
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:15:26 GMT
Organization: Drive Me Insane (DMI)

I've just seen a other ad with the Simpsons. This time It's Bart in a
karate class fighting for a 'ButterFinger' chocolat bar. (very funny)

I suppose it is shown only in Canada. Is there a reason why those ads
(Corola & ButterFinger) are not shown in the Continental US?


					Chris.

---------------------------
Universite de Sherbrooke
moric00.DMI.USherb.CA
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From: v153pfea@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Evan S Heimlich)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: PLEASE HELP ME GET CITATIONS FOR EPISODES
Keywords: NUCLEAR
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Please--    Very soon, before Thanksgiving, in a week,
I will submit for publication in an academic journal a paper on
The Simpsons as nuclear culture.  I only very recently got on-line
and discovered you folks.  Would you please help me, as I join you
in discussing the best and most radical expression of our common culture?

	I seek the "publication"-type info. for episodes I cite:
the episode title, if there is one; the official No., "MXLwhatever";
the producer, assoc. producer, writer, if they vary; and the airdates.

	I saw article 13,000--now unavailable--listed airdates, by title,
and referred to an episode guide.  The two "manuals" would help me document
my paper.  Especially if I can tell, from the episode guide, what happens
in each episide, roughly.  Would someone please, I beg you, send me copies
of the two?

	Of course I would credit this group (any suggestions how to style
such a credit?) and any researchers, list authors, or passers-along.  As
the deadline approaches I feel like Homer at the controls.  I appeal to 
you experts on the manual to the show, and of course on the show itself. 

	Episodes I cite include:

	Homer saves Springfield from Meltdown
	Two Cars in Every Garage, Three Eyes on Every Fish (have dates)
	Bart's class trip/Homer's safety crusade
	Marge's Affair with the bowling stud
	Princes Cashmir & Homer photo
	Albanian Boy Spy
	Bart's spy camera
	Marge's portrait of Burns
	Homer is Sterile
	Marge gets a job

In which episodes do the following occur:

	--Homer imagines when he starts a new job that the plant blows up?
	--Marge says Burns is "an evil S.O.B."?
	--Burns says, "This ought to show them I'm their friend," at the 
		Isotopes' ballgame.
	--Burns panics over Maggie, "Ahh, there's something on my leg, get it 
		off!  Get it off! (Portrait episode?)
	--The family snoops at a neighbor's window and almost gets shot?
	--A sign appears at the plant, "Visitor's will be shot?"
	--any references to the show's own media power, such as t-shirts,
	  parade float of Bart, the Bush quote & response, etcetera.

	I look forward to your response and input.  I'm brand new to VNEWS,
so please excuse any blunders.  I'm in the weeds with computer network skills,
pressed for time, and desperate for help in this research.  Thanks for any
help.  Please E-Mail me.  (technical advice welcome.)

				--Evan Samuel Heimlich
	 
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From: craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace)
Subject: Re: Lookin' for Bart's punishments
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:20:46 GMT

c8923075@mystra.newcastle.edu.au (Chris Baird) writes:

>>  We would like to know if someone has the complete list of
>> what does Bart write on the blackoard during the title sequence.

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Is it necessary to get the *whole* faq to get the quotes or is there a
list compiled somewhere?

(And don't tell me to get the FAQ to see where I can save myself the trouble
of having to get the FAQ.)

->Stace<-
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From: hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:08:37 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, Lower Volta.

Inscribed upon tablet <3214@ucl-cs.uucp>, the mighty G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) records thusly:
::
::I thought that when Homer "tip-toed through the babies" he was acting
::out a scence from Alien (2?) where the liar of Alien larvae is
::discovered.
::
::Or was that "The Birds" (Hitchcock) with the pacifiers sounding like
::the birds?

	My bet's on _T_h_e___B_i_r_d_s, because of the little
scene afterwards with Hitchcock pushing the pram.  

	btw:  4-head HIFI vcr's rule.  I've got the Sony 595hf and the nifty
jog/shuttle dial is really great for seeing details you'd otherwise miss..
like:  How much does Maggie cost?  hint: it's nonsense, but it's a number.
maybe a product number.

::
::Gordon.

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Mmmm .... : Homer is not the only one
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:03:40 GMT

collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:


>   Homer is not the only one who says: "Mmmm .... ______". In an
>episode of "Lost in Space" (just shown on the Sci-Fi channel), the
>robot was being recharged. The robot then said: "Mmmm .... delicious".

Believe It Or Not: Last year, my roommate's dim-witted overweight dad
(who has never seen "The Simpsons" in his life) was reported to have
wandered into the kitchen one morning, picked up a donut, stared at it
stupidly for a second, then muttered: "Mmmmm, sprinkles."


                                --Steve Stelter
                                  sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Subject: Re: Hendrix vs. ??? : The *definative* argument!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.202011.4294@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>b)	Scanning an older tape I came across an interesting
>bit in "Bart Gets an F".  At the Continental Congress, "Hey!
>Look everyone! Snow in July! It's a Miracle!"
>"I've just invented the sled!"
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This line is said by someone who looks and sounds just like our
>mystery air-hockey player.  Same hair, same glasses.  Now,
>granted, it was only a dream (and *Bart's* dream, at that),
>but I don't think even Bart's warped mind would imagine a
>classical composer inventing things in Philadelphia in the
>1770's.
>
Well, I have to concede.  I just looked it up, and that *is* the same
person who invented the sled and who was playing hockey with Hendrix.
So I guess it was suppossed to be Franklin.  All I can say is that
the Simpsons creators obviously suffer from their distance from
Philadelphia, because that is a really *bad* Franklin, but what can
I do?  (Franklin was known for the fact that he didn't wear a wig.)

So, the definitive answer:  the person playing air-hockey with Hendrix
was the same person who came into the continetal congress claiming to
have invented the sled, so this is obviously what the creators think
Franklin looked like, so it must be Franklin.

Karl "never mind..! [9F06]" Wagenfuehr

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