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From: esuyn@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J Currid)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB:  Neurotica
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:56:44 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <C1CHHz.9no@unix.portal.com> rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
>
>Just a rather curious thing I noticed while listening to my copy of Roll
>the Bones -- right at the very end of Neurotica, there is another scream
>apparently from Geddy (at least it sure sounds like this).  It sounds
>like "Stop!" or something...
>
>Can anyone confirm this?


Yes.

I can also add two other things to the 'things to look out for on RTB' list:

Firstly, the keyboards that are left to face up on 'Fade Out' :-) do in
fact continue into the mix of Where's My Thing?, if you listen closely.

Secondly, I can hear the static/noise on Dreamline that occurs in, I think,
the second verse (don't ask me for a time on the CD). Can you?

Right!!! I want to start a new thread!!! Along this line. What strange things
or peculiarities have any of you heard on Rush songs? Here's a few to be 
going on with.

In the Cygnus section of Hemispheres, where you hear the part of Cygnus X1
coming out of the background twice, just for a couple of bars, it isn't
actually Cygnus X1, because as far as I'm aware, the parts played here do
not appear anywhere on Cygnus X1 AFTK.

On Cygnus X1 itself, if you listen right at the end to the bit where Alex
is just playing chords to fade out, you can hear this really muffled thumping
in the background. Is it Neil?

If you listen right at the end of the vinyl version of ATWAS, just after what
you're doing, as the crowd disappears off hearing, you can hear Geddy, Alex
and Neil coming off stage, saying 'wow what a show man o man' or some phrase
like that :-)

If you listen right to the end of Between The Wheels and Mystic Rhythms, you'll
find that they're not actually fade outs on the album - the keyboard parts do
come to a conclusion, only very quietly. Why has that been done? Why didn't
Peter Henderson and Peter Collins resp. leave the mix high if the song was
going to actually finish?

Next week, on the wonderful world of Disney........

And so on, and so on.
Just thought you may be interested.

John 
Warwick

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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Trees
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:28:14 GMT

In article <C1C1v7.7n@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young) writes:
>        This may be dumb question, but in the Trees,what is Peart
>writing about? Is it about race relations? 

Yes, and the ridiculous nature of things like affirmative action, and other
redistributive programs to solve problems.

>Is it about Quebec vs.
>English Canada? Is it about liberalism/socialism in general?  I'm not
>quite clear, though I have a basic handle on it. Also, is Rush becoming
>politically more liberal? Their earlier lyrics seem to often be
>rightist Ayn Rand-derived stuff, 

You think Ayn Rand was a "rightist"?  Why is it that the right hates her at
least as much as the left?

>whereas in songs like "The Big Money"
>and "Red Tide" Peart seems to be more politically liberal...

See? (Actually, I don't know where those lyrics come from, but to assume
that some position is "liberal" is not necessarily to say that it's
opposed to Rand's philosophy.

--Brian


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From: rushrush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Keith Robert Gudhus)
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:26:47 GMT

In article <93023.180729MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>I'm suprised no one has mentioned two specific songs in defense of why
>they think HYF is better than FBN:
>
>Mission and Prime Mover...



	I agree with you on "Prime Mover."  When I got HYF 2 years ago, I just
kept on playing this song over and over again.  

	As to which album is better, I, too, must side with HYF.  "Time Stand
Still" means a lot to me lyrically, and "Force Ten" just pulsates with raw
energy.  I'm also addicted to "Second Nature"- really good stuff!!

	This is NOT to say that FBN is not a good album.  "Anthem" just totally
rocks, and By-Tor started the innovative "epic"-type song which I
think culminated in "2112."  But I think as a whole, HYF is more sophisticated
both lyrically and musically (although I know there are those who will argue
that Rush's earlier stuff is better- it's really just a matter of personal
preference!).



-Keith
From: wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Album bouts
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:09:00 -0600
Summary: a new idea
Reply-To: wipperma9340
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In an attempt to add more excitement to the net, I have a new idea.  How about
Album bouts?  It entails taking one album and placing it in the ring with
another in order to see how the two compare.

RUSH ALBUM BOUT #1
        Hold Your Fire v. Fly by Night

How about it?  Which one do you think is better and why?

If people like the idea, I'll present my opinion- and bout #2- in a few days.

Yours etc.,

The Analog Kid
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Keywords: Correction
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:57:25 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


In article <1993Jan26.231215.10201@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:

>> Nope. The _maples_ passed a noble law.

>> The relevant lyrics are:

>> So the maples formed a union
>> And demanded equal rights.
>> "These oaks are just too greedy;
>> We will make them give us light."
>> Now there's no more oak oppression,
>> For they passed a noble law,
>> And the trees are all kept equal
>> By hatchet, axe, and saw.

>> "They" clearly refers to the maples here.

>>Not necessarily true.  Why? 

>Because it is the only plural noun in the text to which it could apply.

(In case there is any confusion related to the text in quotes, this is a
statement on the part of the maples.


>        1.  If the trees are "kept equal,"  wouldn't that mean that some outside
>power came to cut them down without referring to the specific type of
>tree. 

No, why? The maples simply cut the "too lofty" oaks down to their size
and keep them there, thereby enforcing equality.

>If the Maples brought equality by cutting down the oaks, they would
>have to cut themselves down as well.  

No, the maples "cut them(the oaks) down to size", as the saying goes.

>        2.  Are you saying that The Maples use hatchets, axes, and saws?  That
>would be quite interesting to see.

Yes. It's an allegory for crying out loud. It's absurd that the maples
could form a union too, ain't it? 

>        3.  Can't the song be interpreted as saying that the two sides were so
>concerned about their own "rights" that they neglected a mutual enemy coming
>from the outside?  Their infighting blinded them to their impending doom.

No, because there is no such enemy mentioned anywhere in the song. It is
clear that the "keeping equal" is the dictate of the "noble law" passed by
(and therefore presumably enforced by) the maples.

>        4.  It would be difficult for Neil to state that "they" were something
>different than the maples; it would have disrupted the flow of the song.[:]
>                "Now there's no more oak oppression
>                 For the humans passed a noble law . . ."

Not really, he would simply have had to add another "stanza" to the
lyrics to make it clear who "they" were, but since "they" are the maples
he doesn't have to. And if he wanted to keep the number of stanzas he
could have done what you've done above to keep the "flow" by making the
second line "Humans passed a noble law", but he didn't because he was
talking about the maples. (all MHO of course).

>Perhaps Neil implied the "they" to be something other than what was previously
>mentioned throught the song.

I strongly doubt it.

Gregg




-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:34:31 GMT

In article <108260@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.184933.10157@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>>Neil said that "The Trees" is "An allegorical metaphor on human behavior."
>
>Which behavior is that? 
>
>
>Gregg
>
>-- 
>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
>"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
>"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
>                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!

	Probably the fact that we have this increadible ability to fight 
amongst ourselves, rather than against a common enemy.  The trees were finally
felled by humans, after failing to band together...

			IMHO
-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted at cka52397@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu  Go Illini Holiday Bowl 1992
From: moleface@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Moleface)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The Pass
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:35:33 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <C1HoMA.Mw4@unccsun.uncc.edu> rgrozier@uncc.edu (Richard  
Rozier) writes:
> 
> >In article <C1FG2L.3v3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu  
(Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:
> ...
> 
> >Actually, the bit that gets me in the song is this.
> 
> >All of us do time in the gutters,
> >dreamers turn to look at the cars.
> 
> >What have cars got to do with all this?
> 
> I have another interpretation.  It's not necessarily the cars that are  
the important issue
> here, it's whatever is in the street (perhaps motorcycles and trucks,  
too).  I think the 
> message is: when you're going through some bad times, don't wallow in  
self-pity.  Look 
> around at what else is available.  In other words, turn your back on the  
bad times (the 
> gutter) and think about moving forward.
	Or maybe he was just stuck for a rhyme 8->
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From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: ALBUM BOUT #2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:48:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.131005.10123@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>ALBUM BOUT #2
>
>All the World's a Stage v. A Show of Glands . . . I mean Hands

Okay, this is kinda like the last one in that ATWAS is again an early album
and ASOH is a quite recent one...they're somewhat comparable in that they're
both live.  My pick on this one is a lot harder to judge, since I like a lot
of the songs on both albums.  I'd have to go with ASOH, simply because the
sound is a lot better and the 'feel' is captured somewhat better...it sounds
more like they're having fun than ATWAS does.




-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: ksa@fenris.claremont.edu (I am the Walrus)
Subject: **Song Wars** (poll)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:00:00 GMT

Inspired by the Album wars...
This is SONG WARS!!!
Using the ranking system by Mr. Dianetti, there are 32 songs in contention
for the championship. But only your vote can decide the winner.

Just put by each bracket the number of the song you think is the better
of the two. Next to each song is the rank it was given in the Dianetti
poll. Each set of pairings will be displayed weekly, with the deadline on
each Sunday. So vote now in the Rush version of song wars.

E-mail me your results by the upcoming Sunday and the results will be
posted the next Monday. If you'd like a copy of the entire draw, make
a request. Here's the battles for this week: 

    1) 2112
   32) Losing It  --------------


   17) Time Stand Still  -------
   16) Hemispheres


    8) Xanadu  
   25) Roll the Bones  ---------


   24) Ghost of a Chance  ------
    9) The Trees



--
ksa@fenris.claremont.edu (I am the Walrus)
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chintan Amin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Digital vs. Analog
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:10:13 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <C1Hrrv.35F@unccsun.uncc.edu> rgrozier@uncc.edu writes:
>
>Digital vs. Analog...
>
>There is, however, a slight drawback to CDs that I've noticed.  It 
>seems to me that CDs don't have the sound dynamic quality that
>albums on vinyl have.  By dynamics, I mean the difference when 
>the music on the recording (not when the listener changes the 
>volume) goes from very quiet to very loud.  The difference seems 
>to be greater on an album, i.e. the albums have more "punch".  
>I haven't figured out why - maybe just my imagination.
>
>
>Richard Rozier
>UNC Charlotte

	I don't know, I've always thought that my copy of 1812 Overture on
vinyl lacked the punch that my CD copy has.  Classical music is where 
differences in dynamic range become the greatest, and therefore is the best
music to make such a judgement on.  I have heard only a few albums on both
LP and CD on the same system (to make a clear A/B judgement) but I think the
ones I have (Tales from Topographical..., P/G, Songs From the Wood) left me
feeling better about CD's...  IMHO, all of it.


-- 
Chintan Amin		Internet:  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
The University 		NeXTMail:  cka52397@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
of Illinois 	  "Do we have to be forgiving at last?  What else can we do?
Urbana   Do we have to say goodbye to the past?  Yes, I guess we do." <N.Peart
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: rgrozier@uncc.edu (Richard Rozier)
Subject: Re: The Pass
Reply-To: rgrozier@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:39:45 GMT


>In article <C1FG2L.3v3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:
..

>Actually, the bit that gets me in the song is this.

>All of us do time in the gutters,
>dreamers turn to look at the cars.

>What have cars got to do with all this?

I have another interpretation.  It's not necessarily the cars that are the important issue
here, it's whatever is in the street (perhaps motorcycles and trucks, too).  I think the 
message is: when you're going through some bad times, don't wallow in self-pity.  Look 
around at what else is available.  In other words, turn your back on the bad times (the 
gutter) and think about moving forward.

Richard Rozier
UNC Charlotte
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:11:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <C1FwHJ.KGF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>In article <108260@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan25.184933.10157@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>>>Neil said that "The Trees" is "An allegorical metaphor on human behavior."

>>Which behavior is that? 

My point in asking this question is to point out that it is a relatively
empty statement, politically anyway.

>	Probably the fact that we have this increadible ability to fight 
>amongst ourselves, rather than against a common enemy.  The trees were finally
>felled by humans, after failing to band together...

I don't think so. The _trees_ passed a law that they must be kept equal.
If any humans _reduced_ (a la "kept equal", not _felled_) _some_ trees
it was presumably due to _their_ law. It's not that the trees were
fighting humans or something.

My reading has always been that the trees `democratically' pushed
equality too far. Presumably this is what Neil meant by "human
behavior"...

Gregg



-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Howard Johnson's Got His Ho-Jo Workin')
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:39:25 GMT

Hm, well, HYF certainly sounds wonderful, IMO the best recorded album
of theirs to date, in terms of quality of sound.  What it doesn't have
is that youthful fire driving it along, although Force Ten comes close,
in its own way.  That and the simpler attitude of "we gotta play this 
live, guys" makes FBN, at least for me.  Hey, would you rather
see By-Tor live these days or any of the other HYF stalwarts that
have been on the last several tours??? I gotta go with the former.
Ultimately, it's nice to compare the albums for their differences,
but I just have a hell of hard time saying one is _better_ than the
other.  Each has its moments.

frank sellin, fes9s@virginia.edu
--
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to go and teach me how it's done.
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From: cs911029@ariel.yorku.ca (THOMAS J DUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: By-Tor and the Snow Dog (was Re: Album bouts)
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:09:43 GMT
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada

In article <C19LCA.Kp6@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>... among everything Rush has recorded, "By-Tor and
>the Snow Dog" is pretty close to the bottom of my list.

     Ouch!  Please do yourself a very big favour and have another listen
to this song,  especially the live verion on ATWAS.  As a guitarist,  there
is much in this song that just blows me away.  The last part of the section
called "Of the Battle" is just incredible;  it is literally symphonic
in nature.  You can just hear the ghosts coming out after the battle!

     So,  I would rate this song near the top of my list.  Oh,  what I would
give to hear Rush play this live again!

Cheers,
Thomas J. Duck
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:58:42 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1993Jan23.131112.10111@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <107987@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
 
>> In general, I think this ``bout of the albums'' idea is more interesting
>> if we consider albums that were recorded more closely together in time.

>The whole point of the project is to compare albums that are completely
>different.  If you compared only works that are close chronologically, it
>defeats the purpose.

> Which kind of Rush style do you like the most?  

This is a fine question, but then it's identification with the question
of which is the best of two albums is predicated on the presumption that each
album was executed with equal proficiency. Studio time, just
to cite one example, was more limited on earlier albums, there is likely
a difference in execution of the albums. So I don't see this presumption
to be true.

>Since it changes with each album, any comparison would involve things that are
>completely different.

Completely is definitely an overstatement. I think comparing albums
which are close together in time leads to a more precise assessment
of styles. Comparing albums that are far apart _is_ comparing things
which are completely different, comparing adjacent albums rarely is.
The band themselves sees there work as composed of a series of periods.
IMHO intraperiod comparisons are most useful.


Gregg


-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!              (*
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: ALBUM BOUT #2
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:52:10 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <C1DLtD.AzC@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.131005.10123@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>>ALBUM BOUT #2

>>All the World's a Stage v. A Show of Glands . . . I mean Hands

>Okay, this is kinda like the last one in that ATWAS is again an early album
>and ASOH is a quite recent one...they're somewhat comparable in that they're
>both live.  My pick on this one is a lot harder to judge, since I like a lot
>of the songs on both albums.  I'd have to go with ASOH, simply because the
>sound is a lot better and the 'feel' is captured somewhat better...


Yes, I agree, the later album is a better recording, and since the songs
are great on both albums the later live album is better... No surprise


Gregg

-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!              (*
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From: acskjc@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Thanks!
Reply-To: acskjc@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:30:41 GMT


I just want to thank everyone on this newsgroup for getting me to listen
to Rush again.  I pretty much strictly into punk & alternative (I realize
I just made some of you sick :) ), but I've been into Rush for MANY years,
off & on (mostly on).  All this talk of HYF got me listening again.
Thanks...there's no replacment for Rush.

>Kieran
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