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From: pedwards@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Paul N Edwards)
Subject: Available to House-sit between 10/15 and 12/25
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:35:21 GMT


I'm a former Santa Cruz resident (9 years) who's just returned to
the Bay area as a visiting professor at Stanford. I'm looking for 
housesitting situations anywhere in the Peninsula area, for any duration
longer than two weeks, anytime between Oct. 15th and
Christmas. I'm clean, responsible, and good with plants and animals.
I'm trying to finish a book about the cultural and political
history of computers, so I mostly need a quiet desk and a coffeemaker.

Range: anywhere from Los Gatos to San Francisco, though the Palo Alto
area is best for me. Will also consider Santa Cruz and La Honda
areas.

Arrangements: I'll take care of your house, yard, plants, and animals,
take messages, and do anything else you need (within reason) in
exchange for a place to stay.

If you or anyone you know is taking a long vacation or leaving town
for a while, I'd appreciate a call.

My name is Paul Edwards. You can reach me in any of the following
ways:

voicemail 415-804-5952, theoretically toll-free
office phone 415-723-2780 
email pedwards@euphrates.stanford.edu

mail: Dept. of Computer Science
	Bldg. 460, Margaret Jacks Hall
	Stanford University
	Stanford, CA  94305

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From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:35:12 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Oct5.141549.23710@linus.mitre.org> bs@fatima.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.235436.607@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>: ...
>:No one said anything about a ban. Just secure the attractive nuisance,
>:that's all that society asks.
> 
>The problem is that there are still cases where a nuisance HAS been
>properly secured, yet the protection was circumvented. Let's say you
>put up a fence around your pool, and some idiot 10 year old climbs
>the fence and drowns in the pool. I have seen juries STILL award damages
>in such cases.

  There have been all sorts of stupid decisions.  The existence of a
stupid decision doesn't mean that one should stop acting responsibly.
> ...
>If people can get sued anyway, why should they bother with fences?

  People can *always* get sued.  They should still bother with
fences for practical reasons such as the chance of an accident is
reduced, the chance of a suit is reduced, the chance that they 
will lose a suit is reduced, etc.  There is also a more idealistic
view of doing the right thing to try to protect children.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:59:24 GMT


I'm sure there must be a connection between nationalism, foreign exchange
deficits or surpluses and parenting, I just can't see it. Until it becomes
blindingly obvious, could you ba.general writers check your newgroup lines?

Thanks in advance, as usual,

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:24:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.161624.19441@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>I still am libertarian.
>
>But, libertarian principles only apply among competent, consenting
>adults.  Children are none of the above. They are not competent,
>they can not consent by definition, and they are not adults.

But there are two candidates for blame here:  the parent and the property
owner.  Why do you blame the property owner for something that wasn't
his fault.  Or do find it unreasonable for someone to expect others to
obey the law?

Could this be due to your being a parent but not a property owner?


-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: kanner@Apple.COM (Herbert Kanner)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: The Second City
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:15:21 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Development Systems Group, Apple Computer

There is an ad in the local papers for: "From the creators of SCTV:
The Second City," 8pm October 17 at Stanford's Memorial Auditorium.

Is this any relation to the Chicago company called Second City? Reply
Email: kanner@apple.com
-- 
Herb Kanner
Apple Computer, Inc.
{idi,nsc}!apple!kanner
kanner@apple.com
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: roy_wells@qm.vitalink.COM (Roy H. Wells)
Subject: Civil War Reenactment in Fresno
Reply-To: roy_wells@qm.vitalink.COM (Roy H. Wells)
Organization: What organization?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:12:48 GMT

  "The Civil War Revisited" in Fresno

	For those who found themselves riveted to their television sets during the PBS series "The 
Civil War," there is an opportunity to go beyond watching the Civil War through still photos.  
During the weekend of October 10-11, the members of the National Civil War Association 
(NCWA), in affiliation with the Fresno City and County Historical Society, will provide the 
opportunity for the public to "experience" what the Civil War was like.

	During the weekend, NCWA members will present a living history of the Civil War in Kearney 
Park, just east of Fresno, California.  Camps of the Union and Confederate armies of 1863 will 
bring to life the soldiers and civilians of that era.  The members of the NCWA will provide a means 
for visitors to step into the past, to an era when horses, not automobiles, were the means of 
transportation.

	This is a history to delight more than just the eyes.  The public can hear the roar of 
cannons, smell the acrid smoke of the black powder muskets, and feel the thundering hooves of 
horses as they race into combat.

	Although most people come to see the two battles each day, there is more going on at an 
NCWA encampment.  Members of the civilian "Town" will be bartering for goods in a Farmer's 
Market.  Soldiers will be drilling, or writing letters home.  Doctors will examine men for fitness to 
serve.  Each moment is filled with a slice of history brought to life.

	"The Civil War Revisited" is only one of several living history reenactments conducted by 
the NCWA each year throughout Northern California.  During the year, the NCWA generally 
conducts approximately one such event per month from March through November each year.

	In addition to the reenactments, NCWA members also contribute to the education of the 
public about the Civil War by making presentations at schools, civic clubs, and other 
organizations.  Founded in 1983, the NCWA is a non-profit educational organization that serves 
the public through its activities.

	For a recording of information about the NCWA, its activities, and other facts, the NCWA 
maintains an automated telephone line at 408-927-7651.

----
"If you can't reach (age) 70 by a comfortable road, don't go."  --Mark Twain
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:54:36 GMT

In article <183741@pyramid.pyramid.com> rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener) writes:
>>All you have to do is put a fence around your swimming pool.
>
>And all you have to do is put a fence around your house, if you can't
>keep your children on your property.

No, that is not acceptable. Children are not animals to be kept in
a cage all their life.

>Phil has said it now, "If it saves just one life, it's worth it."
>
>Let's ban bicycles, cars, swimming pools, football, tennis, golf,
>work, beer, cigarettes, etc., etc.,...........................
>.... because "If it saves just one life, it's worth it." 

No one said anything about a ban. Just secure the attractive nuisance,
that's all that society asks.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:08:14 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <183739@pyramid.pyramid.com> rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener) writes:
>
>I think it's because we don't like public confrontation (like the net is such
>harmonious place).  I was at the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum in July.
>At the natural terrain mountain lion enclosure, there was a couple
>holding their two year old over the steel bar fence so that the child
>could see the two mountain lions swimming in the moat below. 

  The best poetic justice I've seen at a zoo in the face of 
  "discipline challenged" parent/youngsters was at the Omaha zoo.

  They have a famous gorrila named Casey.  Casey would make an
  excellent baseball player.  Throw anything edible at Casey, and he
  will one-hand catch it every time.  

  Most visitors throw carrot pieces, etc.  A pair of "mommies
  precious darlings", with mommy in attendance, thought it was
  clever to throw rocks, dirt lumps, etc.  

  Casey tolerated this, sniffing each for edibility for a few
  minutes.  However, the darlings persisted...while mommy watched.

  Casey returned the favor, reaching behind himself, then throwing a
  rather "nasty natural substance" at the trio.  Casey would ALSO give
  Nolan Ryan a good run as an accurate pitcher--the trio was well
  covered with a rather nice splattering.  Casey got a standing
  ovation from the crowd.  
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:37:58 GMT

>
>But really ... aren't you forgetting that our freedoms allow us to enjoy
>a culture that is truly a sum of unique parts?  Each person with their
>own culture, religion, beliefs, values, a work of art in their own right?
>This gives you the right to spout your "Jap" hate song while I call
>you racist.  Each coexisting in peace, with the right to disagree.  In
>this country a David Duke can run for President while freedom of
>choice people clash with Operation Rescue on the steps of the Georgia
>capital, only several hours drive away from the NAACP march that the
>Klan heckles, but does not prevent.
>


I have no problem with freedoms that you wish to take. But when we're 
all getting economically taken advantage of, don't you think we should
wake up.  I consider myself a good american, and I hate to see others
destroy the country out of stupidity.
 
You talk about peace. I remember a professor with "Beyond War" or
somesuch group saying a few years ago that their concern was not
with the US/USSR cold war. They said that their concern was with
the US/JAPAN economic condition. He said when a nation is 
strangled by another (Fairly or unfairly), they tend to take
things to the battlefront (as history has shown). Anyway, he
said their primary concern (at that time) was this very subject.

Such an imbalance of trade cannot exist forever. Things won't
stay this happy forever. 

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From: rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:44:00 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct2.180008.21720@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.154058.29552@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes:
>>The line is very clear.  It is (or should be) the line which marks
>>the boundary of my property.  Neighbor's kids do not belong on my
 
>Children should not die for the failures of the parents.

They shouldn't, but they do.  Life is a very cruel sometimes. 

>All you have to do is put a fence around your swimming pool.

And all you have to do is put a fence around your house, if you can't
keep your children on your property.

>If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

Phil has said it now, "If it saves just one life, it's worth it."

Let's ban bicycles, cars, swimming pools, football, tennis, golf,
work, beer, cigarettes, etc., etc.,...........................
.... because "If it saves just one life, it's worth it." 

We wouldn't want reality to creep into this discussion would we?  

Rex Tener                                                 rtener@pyramid.com
Pyramid Technology                                            A.M.A. #580669 
"Radical is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air." - F.D.R. (1944)
From: dbagchi@HP-UX (Debasish Bagchi)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Company sought for a trip to Mexico for ME- H1 visa.
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:48:00 GMT

{ Posting for a friend .. Pl. contact him directly }

Hi,
If you / anyone you know - are interested to go to Monterey , Mexico in 
October to get a Multiple Entry - H1 visa, pl. let me know so that we can go 
together. My phone nos. are as follows:
	   (415) 550-9149  : Residence
	   (415) 513-8656  : Office
Thanks.

Sandip Roy Choudhury.
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.music
From: reid@pa.dec.com (Brian Reid)
Subject: Re: Sound Proofing
Organization: DEC Network Systems Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 04:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.035621.29718@odin.corp.sgi.com> lkvarda@booboo.wpd.sgi.com (Lisa Kvarda) writes:
>
>Anyone have any suggestions for sound proofing a garage?  

I'm not an acoustic engineer, and acoustics is largely black magic, but I've
read a lot and I've participated in the construction of recording studios.

For your kind of soundproofing, where the goal is to prevent the escape of
sound, nothing really works except weight. (Well, actually, mass, though
here on Earth we usually use the two terms as equivalent). The very
best soundproofing material would be sheets of lead, as thick as you could
use. Bricks or cinder blocks work too. Barring that, exceedingly heavy fabric
curtains are OK. The materials that you describe (foam board and egg cartons)
work well to prevent reflections, but they are quite ineffective at
preventing the transmission of sound. One studio that I am familiar with uses
a wooden doublewall construction with 6 inches of sand in between the walls.

I know that this isn't what you want to hear, but I wouldn't want to see you
put a lot of work into something that isn't going to be effective. Most of
the rooms that people think of as "sound chambers" are designed to prevent
echoes and not to prevent the escape of sound. 
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: rog@Ingres.COM (Roger Taranto)
Subject: That new Ford plant in Richmond
Organization: Ingres, An ASK Company, Alameda, CA 94501
Distribution: ba
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:23:33 GMT

What do they manufacture at that new Ford plant in Richmond?
(It's just east of the Chevron refinery and north of 580.)

-Roger
rog@ingres.com
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:22:02 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

In article <1992Sep28.204408.12260@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Yes, consumers are allowed to be stupid! Remember the DRAM industry in the US?
>Americans used to pay approx $3.00 for a 256kx1 DRAM chip. Then the Japs
>decide to undercut (which is , BTW illegal in this country). Now, the Fat Dumb 
>and Happy (yes, your word Phil) So-called-americans take the bait and buy
>the $1.50 JAPANESE import DRAMS. The US companies producing these go
>out of business, and then the japs rocket the price to $12 each. Who
>got screwed when it was all said and done? The Fat Dumb and Happy AMERICAN.

Your logic is off.  Your arguments make a good case against lassez-faire
libertarianism (and in fact, such considerations are why I yell "fuck Adam
Smith" every time I see a couple of `em) but they really have little to do
with the nationalities of the corporations involved.  If such tactics are a
part of the Japanese way of doing business:

1. This is incidental and not necessarily indicative of the way *all* Japanese
   companies behave.  (Arguing otherwise is leaving yourself open to a
   justifiable charge of racism.)

2. It's patently untrue of European and other foreign companies.  Hence, the
   slogan "Buy American" is not applicable.

3. An American company could pull this sort of tactic just as easily as a
   Japanese company can - *IF* it could produce product in question
   as efficiently.

4. (and this is the biggest problem I have with your logic) IF ILLEGAL
   'DUMPING' IS WHAT UPSET ABOUT, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE AMERICAN GOV'T FOR
   NOT ENFORCING DUMPING LAWS - *NOT* WITH THE AMERICAN CONSUMER FOR WANTING
   THE CHEAPEST, BEST PRODUCT HE CAN GET HIS HANDS ON.  Your solution, blindly
   buying a product constructed in America (when you can even figure out
   whether a product qualifies as American-built or not, which you seldom can
   with something as complex as an automobile), misses the point completely.
   
>TRUE AMERICANS BUY AMERICAN!

I don't (necessarily, always) and I'm a true American.  Your 'theory' is
disproved.

Fred
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:41:09 GMT

Kathy writes:  
>|>     (I wrote:) 	
>|> 	And here's a proposal for federal taxes:
>|> 		1 child	=  1 tax deduction
>|> 		2 kids  =  1 tax deduction still (no add'l)
>|> 		3 kids  =  1 tax penalty (so neutral total)
>|> 		4+ kids =  heap on those penalties!
>
>Would you apply this to people who adopt hard-to-place kids?  Or only to
>'breeders'?
>       kathyj@pyramid.com


	Give the adoptive parents a tax break, definately.
	
	-Robin King
	king@glacier.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: ba.general,rec.arts.theatre,ba.food
From: mcgrant@isl.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant)
Subject: Re: Don't Patronize Triple Rock BrewPub, Berkeley, Calif
Organization: Information Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:08:57

In article <1992Sep29.030211.14821@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:

           This is perhaps the most obnoxious thing I've ever heard.  The 
   Armadillo Willies fiasco has nothing on this!  

I'd be interested to hear about this 'fiasco' you speak of... I'm an
Armadillo Willy's fan.

   Triple Rock has long been my 
   favorite brewpub in the bay area, and I think their porter is one of the best 
   beers I've ever tasted.  But, having heard this, I don't think I could ever 
   go there again.

That's funny, because I was going to post something in agreement to another
poster who suggested that their beer was poor... as a matter of fact, I
think their porter sucks. Oh well. If you're looking for good beer, then in my
opinion you don't need this theater thing to justify avoiding Triple Rock.
I could make some crack about its Berkeley location but we don't need to
divide the boycott camp now do we :-) ?

           I only hope that the theatre is telling it's patrons before the show
   or in the programs about this, and asking them not to patronize the brewery.

           Do you think that you could find out/post the name of the owners/
   managers of Triple Rock so that any of us who wanted to write letters to 
   them could direct them to the right people there?

           --  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>

Good idea... I'll write! Of course I won't mention to them that I was
avoiding the place BEFORE this happened...

Michael C. Grant

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From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:05:25 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

In article <1992Oct1.035641.7490@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Maybe US companies wouldn't need to do this if we weren't being attacked
>from across the pacific, and dumb americans falling for it. Forty years
>ago, when people actually cared about this country, it would have been
>an outrage to buy a foreign car (as your first car). Now people think
>it's trendy or something. If you don't like this country- leave- you're
>not wanted. And if you don't like our products, then go work in a country
>that you think is better. 

I don't agree that leaving this country is thing to do if I don't happen to
want to buy exclusively American products.

I won't - and I don't have to.

Just curious...what are 'ya gonna' *DO* about it?!?

Fred
From: bavenell@next.com (Bette Avenell)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Good mechanic needed for '82 Buick
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:07:45 GMT

Does anyone know of a good mechanic for my '82 Buick?  In the Redwood City area  
would be best for me, but I'd like to know about anyone close.

Thanks,

Bette
bavenell@next.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct6.011003.9962@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>
>Well, I don't really endorse anyone.  But I can't stand that jerk
>that cheated on his wife for twelve years, dodged the draft, and
>smoked pot and NOW wants to be PRESIDENT of this land. 
>
    I guess its hardest for me to endorse someone too stupid to
    inhale!   But you must admit he has better taste in bimbo's than
    Uncle George...

>I hate to mention him by name, but everyone knows who that SLEAZE is.

     You'll have to be more specific....the incumbent has shown
     himself to be rather sleazy also.  Long before assuming present
     office.
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