HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:11:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: vlsi.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1992Nov11.114229.9739@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

>It is commonly accepted that Arabic did the same vis a vis Aramaic as Aramaic
>did vis a vis Greek. Arabic took its term for witness and used it for martyr
>following the adjectival pattern: fa@iil (like kabiir, Dariir, majiid etc.)

I am not sure about this point.  While I am not an expert in
languages, as far as I know you have the following derivations in
arabic: Ism fa@iil and Ism maf@oul.  Thus, Shahida, fa howa shahidon
(Ism fa@iil here).  I don't think you can get something like shahid
through a straighforward derivation.  It is not like kabiir or majiid.
There is no grammatical "wazn" (weight) to derive such an adjective.
Btw, the derivation would be "shaheeed" (Ism moubalagha? )

>>_According to the christian faith there were to be NO prophets after Jesus
>Chri
>>st and therefore, Mohammad was not a prophet.  And the Islamic religion is
>base
>>d on the Judeo-christian religion.

This comment is for Nsari and not for Elie here.  Nasri, I would care
less what you think or you say. Your comments are not worth commenting
at.

>> Nasri

>elie wardini


-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: reward
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:35:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.142236.23279@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
("I.Ballouz") writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.133456.23686@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>
ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
>>("I.Ballouz") writes:
>>
>>joke or not, such posts are condemnable! It is not funny and it is not
>>acceptable! whether we agree with ElieM or not, whether we agree with Ibrahim
>>Ballouz or not!
>>
>>
>
>If you find it that anti-social and repellent, then please accept my apology.

I appreciate your stance Ibrahim. Thank you four your honesty and mostly you
sincerity and humility. I did not mean my comments at you personally, and you
maganged to read my words as a wise man. Thanks!

>I. Ballouz



elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Hariri's corporation
Organization: UiO
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.160028.8148@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
("I.Ballouz") writes:

Ibrahim, I do not need to give anybody a detailed account of my social
situation in order to be heard, or prove that I have all reasons to be bothered
with the social welfare of the Lebanese (If you want we can discuss this
privately).

I am very aware and concerned for the poverty that own country has plunged in. 

I just do not think that the solution lies in a *PERSON*. YEs we need good
poeple to run our policies. But we need policies.

That is why, even if get a fellow of good renome as Hariri, we should still
base owr judgements on policies and not the reputations of people.


I hope that one day we will regain owr country and get a chance to present a
plan for a better Lebanon.

I hope that when that day comes we will be up to the situation and be able to
be prepared for a better Lebanon with plans and policies that we have thougt
through rather than go back to this: yes we trust Elie, so let him have his way
buisiness.


> I. Ballouz



elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: CLAO and the "israeli" occupation.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:25:32 GMT

The following short note is not being made as an effort to correct CLAO. Any
such effort would mean that certain expectations are there, and they are not;
since, as stated earlier, what they stand for and the ideology they represent
are very well known.

This is only an attempt to point out some of the errors of accepting 
CLAO's treatment of Syria's presence in Lebanon and "israel's" occupation 
for what it is.

In the discussion of the CLAO, some arguments were made as to the people
being cotent with the CLAO solely making its aim and goal the syrian
presence while ignoring the "israeli" occupation and continued aggressions.
They went as far as asking "Those who are not happy with CLAO" to form
their own group to expose "israel's" hostilities.  The flaw in that is
the following.

When asking  OTHERS to do so they have already established that the "israeli"
occupation does not concern them, else they  would have either attempted 
to correct what's being pointed out as being wrong (since they do have 
some expectations of CLAO), that is if they themselves truely see it as such,
or started the proposed initiative themselves (since some  actually 
believe that the problem was merely the underplaying of the "israeli" 
occupation and have missed what that move on part of CLAO entails, and 
thought that such a proposal resolves the issue.) 

By accepting the CLAO work  with its negligence of the "israeli" 
occupation and further advocating that others could do the same in 
regards to "israel" but emphasises the lack of shared concerns amongst 
the lebanese population.  That type of attitude overlooks a very important 
aspect of the lebanese problem, that is the fact that many parts of the 
population have always felt the lack of support for their decades old
dilemmas.  The fact that the lebanese population has been living worlds
apart, where the problems of one part of Lebanon hardly meant much to
others who are even less than 50 km away.  The fact that some problems were
not and still are not viewed as national (Lebanese) problems but
rather as regional (confined to the area DIRECTLY affected by it)
and thus should only be dealt with by those inhabitants of that area.
It overlooks the indifference it implants in the population  to the
tragidies of the Nation as it happens in different parts of it. 

It, maybe, is  any organization or individual's own prerogative to choose whom
to "resist" or not to but it certainly reinstilles the above facts and 
feelings. 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:48:11 GMT

In article <92315.231733U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>, U38065@uicvm.uic.edu (Nasri) writes:
|> and borrow them, but we do NOT recognize that Mohammed ws a true prophet or
|> that God has spoken to him, when you DO recongnize that Jesus was at least a pr
|> ophet and that he rose from the death.  We may have borrowed a word, but at
|> least we did not borrow a religion. ie. Mohammad believed in Jesus, not vice
|> versa.
|> _According to the christian faith there were to be NO prophets after Jesus Chri
|> st and therefore, Mohammad was not a prophet.  And the Islamic religion is base
|> d on the Judeo-christian religion.
|> 
|> 
|> Nasri

Judeo_Christian religion is also based on the ancient religions practiced
by the Sumerians, Babylonians, Canaanites, Pheonicians, and Assyrians.
Infact, many of the biblical stories have been found at archeological sites
in Iraq and Syria that date to the 3rd Milinium BC. Also many of the biblical
beleifs have also been found at Ugarit.

It is also beleived that when Jesus talked about his "father in heaven", that
this is a Pheonician practice as discovered by the tablets of Ugarit. The pheonicians affectionetly called their highest God "El" (or as he became 
"allah") as the "father". The new testament writers interpreted this to mean
that he is the son of God "Yahwa" which is the name derived from the Canaanites,
as discovered by the tablets of the ancient canaanite city/empire in north
west Syria and date to 2500 BC. Many of the teachings of Jesus have also
had their roots in the wisdom and proverbs of the Sumerians.

Happy arguing as to who is correct.

A.Faris

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Suspended Dreams
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:44:19 GMT

The following is the text of a flyer by the Save Lebanon organization.

bassem


	Through the eyes of two ex-militia fighters from Beirut, a woman
	searching for her missing husband, and a playwright from southern 
	Lebanon, this film tells the story of a people's struggle to 
	reconstruct their lives after a long and devastating war.


			    By Jean Chamoun & Mai Masri
	    An MTC (Beirut) production for BBC Television (England) 1992

	Jean Chamoun will be available to answer questions after the showing.
	AND Dr. JAMES ZOGBY, CHAIRMAN OF SAVE LEBANON, WILL DISCUSS OUR WORK!

	Date:	TUESDAY NOVEMBER 17, 1992

	Place:	UNITED METHODIST OFFICE FOR THE U.N.
		777 U.N. PLAZA, NEW YORK 212-682-3633

	TIME:	7:15 PM

	Donations:	$10
			$7-- STUDENTS

	For more information, call:	HOUSAM HALABY AT 212-683-1040
					WISSAM ABDUL KHALEK AT 202-429-2505

	Save Lebanon, Inc., a nonprofit charitable organization helping the 
	people of Labanon.  All contributions are tax-deductible.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: waid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah)
Subject: Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 06:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151332.27585@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
>Well I hope Hariri has a good life insurance :-)
>
>Regards, Elie.

Oh, the best in the world.  It's called "Money in the Bank"!
;).
Walid
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From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: pro-Israeli Lobby
Date: 8 Nov 1992 09:06:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: next02wor.wam.umd.edu

In article <1992Nov04.164015.9839@eng.umd.edu> news@eng.umd.edu (C-News)  
writes:
> 2- If you're interested in this subject you might
> want to read :
> They Dare to Speak Out: people and institutions
> confront Israel's Lobby
> by: Paul Findley
> Publisher: Lawrence Hill, 1985
> Westport Conn.
> Paul Findley is an ex-senator who lost his reelection
> campaign because the Israeli Lobby targeted him.
> His is an interesting book, it should be available
> at your library.
Hmmmmm. Verry interesting, but one important fact should be noted:
Mr. Findley lost the election because he received less votes than his  
opponent, not because of the intervention of some mythical "Israeli  
Lobby". Granted,  pro-Israel people had a vested interest in his premature  
retirement, but it was the people of his state who failed to vote for him  
(or, as the case might have been , voted in large numbersa for his  
opponents. Mr. Finley was a Representative, as in, he was elected to serve  
the interests of his constituents. If his constituency dislikes his  
stands, they ought to have the right to remove him from office. This is  
the basis of American government, BTW, government with the consent of the  
governed, and like that). Paul Findley's persecution complex  
notwithstanding, the Israel Lobby (tm) did not "steal" the election, they  
merely informed the people of his state about his record, whereupon they  
threw the ex-rep out - one of the wonderful things about representative  
democracy, BTW. If you get elected and fail to vote and  in a manner  
consistent with the wishes of the majority of your constituents, you stand  
a good chance of failing in subsequent attempts at re-election.
This   concept is evidently too difficult for Mr. Findley to grasp, but   
not beyond the abilities of those on the net.

shalom

jeff

"Let no one build walls to divide us
Walls of hatred nor of stone
Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
We'll live together or we'll die alone"
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:18:33 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:

Dr. Hoss was unknown to all of us, suddenly he turned out to be the outstanding
premier we ever had. 

Elie replies:

Gen. Aoun was unknown to all of us, suddenly he turned out to be the outstanding
interim PM we ever had. 

(I guess we all have our opinions :-))

Mr. Ballouz, just ask yourself, who is calling the shots in Lebanon. 
The second question, how sovereign is Lebanon?.
I am  still awaiting the Syrian "redeployment" that 
Hrawi/Hoss/Karami/Husseini/Geagea/Saadeh/.../ "guaranteed" and which was
supposed to take place a couple of months ago.

There is no Syrian redeployment because:
- Israel must leave first :-)
- Hrawi has not asked Assad :-)
- 200 extra days needed to assess what Hariri is going to be like :-)
- Clinton is a wild card, can't withdraw now :-)
- Israel is battling Hezbollah, they need moral support :-)
- Taef hasn't been implemented fully :-)
- Lebanese army "retraining" is still far from target :-)
-

any other good ones ?
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:59:12 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov6.040103.17824@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.000127.7580@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>> 
>> We've had already 3 failing prime ministers. Karami, Hoss, Solh.
>> I guess Hariri would soon join the collection. But time will tell.
>> 
>
>> Elie.
>
>
>Elie
>
>IMHO, the three failing PM's should be:
>
>
>Aoun, Karami and Solh, with three stars for Aoun on a job well done.
>
>
>rached

Well I hope Hariri will do a symbolic step and remove Assad's photos
from the airport along with the superfluous questioning of returning 
citizens/visitors by Assad's men. (that would be a good start)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: FAQ 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:01:00 GMT

  Hello, 

  A while back, one of us had started a FAQ for our group.
  Could someone give me a pointer to this person or to a site where I could
consult the archive of the group?

alex@dt.uh.edu
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: reward
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:49:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A

In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes...
>===============================================================================
>             rrrr     eeee   w   w   w    aaaaa    rrrr      ddd  
>             r   r    e       w     w     a   a    r   r     d   d
>             rrrr     eee     w  w  w     aaaaa    rrrr      d   d 
>             r   r    e        w   w      a   a    r   r     d   d
>             r    r   eeee     w   w      a   a    r    r    d d
>===============================================================================

>  ========I pay 10000LL for any one who can keep this man silent.==========


  I don't know about the UK, but in the US, free speech is protected by the
constitution, and this law is actively upheld.


>* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
>* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *


alex                        -from Speaker's Corner of Hyde Park in Houston, TX
                             not from Khyam or Anjar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: Article in soc.culture.arabic
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:56:19 GMT

Just to draw the attention of those Lebanese who do not consider
themselves arabs. Can you respond to the below question ?


--------------------------- Quoted Article -------------------------------
Article: 7663 of soc.culture.arabic
From: y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jafr bin Haza)
Subject: Arab Unity
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:10:48 GMT


Kaf Halek?

Can someone tell me why lebanese have their own newsgroup?  How can
Arabs stick together with such nonsense?  The last time I checked
Lebanese were Arabs????  



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: u554835@csi.uottawa.ca (Fadi Kachi - President.)
Subject: Re:reward
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.094254.10778@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>  
ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov8.153509.5464@csi.uottawa.ca> u554835@csi.uottawa.ca  
(Fadi Kachi - President.) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>  
> >ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
> >>  
> 
> >Why do you want to keep him silent.
> 
> I don't want to silence him in the way YOU KNOW IT, rather I want him to 
> moderate the language in his post.
> If you still remember the images he used to send to the netters which  
depict
> arabs as slave traders, the post about the guys in Egypt who converted  
to
> Xtianity, his sarcastic comments on Dr Hoss and PM Hariri...probably you
> recognize why I want him to moderate his post.
> 
> >
> >COULD IT BE THAT HE IS SAYING THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
> >
> No need to reply, obviously you are one of those who grew up hating the  
air
> we breathe.
> 
> >You have the right to speak up your mind. and we do too. I respect you  
> >opinion, and I hope  you respect mine.
> >
> You have every right to form your opinions and speak your mind about  
anything
> you want, but you don't have any right to indulge in bashing the others.
> This applies to me before you. 
> 
> >I agree with what Elie is saying.
> 
> I would be surprised if you disagree. You know the story of the tiger  
and
> his spots don't you?
> 
> -- 
>  
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> * IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE           
*
> * ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND  
U.K. *
>  
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MAN YOU NEVER GIVE UP ?
-----------------------

Give it a rest will you ?

>>No need to reply, obviously you are one of those who grew up hating the  
>>air we breathe.

Let me disagree with you on the above. I do not hate the air you breathe.
But I would like to achieve an agreement with you that Syrian occupation  
hates the air we BOTH breathe just as much as the Israelis. So lets do  
something about. Lets stop considering Syria as a SISTER NATION.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:01:27 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov5.171942.4804@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
|> In article <1992Nov5.151833.29706@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
|> >ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
|> 
|> If you care to give the PM a chance and stop undermining his authority, perhaps
|> some of these things would be solved. 

We've had already 3 failing prime ministers. Karami, Hoss, Solh.
I guess Hariri would soon join the collection. But time will tell.

|> But as far as you are asking him to be
|> a miraculous man and solve the problem that he had inherited from previous
|> governmnets, militias and organizations, I doubt if you are going to get
|> satisfied with his performance.

Give me a break here.
Reality check:
      President: Elias Hrawi
      Speaker of the house: Nabih Berri
      Minister of Village affairs: Suleiman Tony Franjieh
      Minister of the Handicapped: Elie Hobeika
      Minister of Refugee affairs: Walid Joumblatt
(correct me if i am wrong, and add a few other s
These very competent and full of integrity men reflect very
positively on Hariri. :-) 
Hariri does get credit where credit is due, like getting rid of Sami
Khatib as interior minister. (That guy is probably planning something now :-))

|> It has always been in your hands,  and it has always been the case
|> that Presidents decide and chose the PMs, should not be asking the question
|> "did we ever had good presidents to chose good PM"?

Can you define what you mean by "it has always been in your hands" ?
I do not follow you. Please expand on that, maybe we'll all have a good laugh.

Elie.
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Not worth my time (was Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?))
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:13:37 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1992Nov6.162354.28459@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
>ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>

[.....]

>
>Elie replies (with usual wisdom and patience):

>Mr. Ballouz YOUR reply is absolutely pathetic. I do not have to take such
>nonesense from you. 
>I consider this discussion not worth my time. 

Very true, very true. The wise man said: if talking is of silver, SILENCE is
of gold.

So Mr Mourad, apply your wisdom and stick to your word and leave me alone.

Do not interfere with my post, and I won't give any of what you called 
"nonesense".

>
>Regards, Elie.



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* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Assad the terrorist.
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:35:02 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:

In today's New York Times, Mr. A.M.Rosenthal wrote that President-Elect
Clinton is inheriting "still vivid dangers" from the Bush administration.
"Saddam Hussein in power after military defeat. Syria ruling Lebanon.
Expansion of Syrian military strength. Economic and military explosion
of Iranian power and the drive toward Iran's nuclear capacity.

Rosenthal added: "Mr. Assad is not only a terrorist against foreigners
and his own people but the landlord...for the largest collection of 
terrorist killers ever gathered i one country...So large in fact 
that Syria has been officially listed as a terrorist nation by the 
United States, year after year. That did not prevent BushBaker from
acceding...to the Syrian takeover of Lebanon, a bit of perfidy Americans
barely note."