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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Crooked baby teeth
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:23:19 GMT

In article <LOWRY.92Nov17130520@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>I'm wondering if anybody has definitive information on whether crooked
>baby teeth should be a concern?  Lindsay's teeth seem to be coming in
>a bit out of whack.  I've read, in material about thumb-sucking, that
>concerns about it causing crooked (permanent) teeth are generally
>unfounded unless the thumb-sucking continues to a fairly advanced
>stage.  So this makes me think I shouldn't be concerned (Lindsay did
>suck her thumb, but she seems to have stopped recently, at about
>13mo).  But I guess I'm wondering if it isn't possible for the
>existing baby teeth to "derail" the permanent teeth when they come in
>later?  In any case seeing them come in crooked has made me a bit
>nervous, so I'd appreciate whatever information anybody has.
>Thanks!
>--

One of Jeffreys baby teeth (middle, bottom) came in quite crooked. It is 
rotated about 30 degrees. Both his Pediatrician and my dentist said that it
is not necessarily an indicator of crooked permanent teeth.

Laura Floom

Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:57:19 -0500 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: a child's view of death

I can't believe this wasn't cross-posted to our group!

:-) 

Laura

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Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny
Subject: a child's view of death
Keywords: smirk, true
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:30:03 GMT

This is a true story:

My 5 year old niece, Katherine, was being put to bed for her nap by my
mother when the following conversation took place:

"Grandma, you are old"
"yes, I am"
"you're going to die"
"someday, yes I am"
"and grandpa is old and he is going to die"
"yes"
"and then my mommy and daddy will be old, and they are going to die"
"yes"
"and all my aunts and uncles will be old, and they will die"
"yes"
"and then my cousins and I will be old, and we will do whatever we want to!"

-- 

Lori Kent Rothman
usglkrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

--
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Attribute the joke's source if at all possible.  A Daemon will auto-reply.

Remember: PLEASE spell check and proofread your jokes.  You think I have
time to hand-correct everybody's postings?
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Re: 2 year old traumatizes front teeth
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:21:46 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.141026.18248@crd.ge.com> dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding) writes:
>When I was about 4, I fell off my high chair and had a gray tooth for a while. 
>I can't remember when the tooth fell out, and I think I'd remember if
>the dentist removed it.  My adult teeth at just fine 38 years later.
>
Several months ago, my 5 yo fell onto her face (over the head of a riding horse
and into the metal base of a Breuer's (sp?) chair) and knocked back one of her 
front teeth.  Within a few hours, the dentist pressed it back into place, though
he said we could do it ourselves.  He warned that it might turn gray or form an 
abcess, but neither happened; the tooth looks fine.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:54:13 GMT

In article <3944@wyse.wyse.com> donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302) writes:
>OK, I've just about had it!  I'm about ready to make an appointment to get
>my hair cut off (hair that I've been growing for 3 years because my hubby
>has this THING about long hair).  At 7 months, Paul still loves to YANK
>(and I mean really YANK) at my hair to the point of me screaming.   Before
>I get to the "what-did-you-do-to-your-hair?" stage, can anyone tell me
>at what age babies STOP pulling mommy's hair?  I've tried putting my
>hair in a pony tail, but he still manages to grab a few strands.  Any other
>suggestions will be gladly taken.
>

Well, I'm not sure how glad you'll be to take this suggestion, but have you
tried pulling back?

My experience has been that children begin learning they can manipulate things
at around 6 mos. old.  From then until about 2.5 they seem to take the greatest
pleasure from these manipulations.  Look, if I do X, Mom screams.  Isn't that
funny!  Let's try again.

So, when pulling my hair became a way to get a rise out of mom, as it did for
both my children, I showed them what it felt like.  I grabbed their hair and
pulled.  Not hard, just enough for them to feel uncomfortable.

Mitchell long ago gave up this game (after all, he's 4).  But Erin still
plays it occasionally.  She'll grab my hair and I'll grab hers.  Often that
is enough.  Sometimes she'll tug gently.  THen I'll tug gently.  If she pulls
hard, I pull hard.  When she lets go, I let go.

I don't think they realize that they are actually hurting you and you have to
show them this.  


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Authoritarian Parents (was 20/20 and spanking)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:40:48 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Here are some hallmarks of authoritarian parents I have known, which
may help differentiate them from other kinds:

1. Authoritarian parents take offense if their kids do something
   successfully, but in a way that differed from their instructions.
   That is, authoritarian parents discourage and even punish independent
   thinking, even when it's successful.

2. Authoritarian parents will punish children for things that might
   not even provoke a comment from other people.

3. Authoritarian parents talk about being "forced" to punish "for the
   principle of the thing," but can't articulate what principle they're
   defending.

4. Authoritarian parents get more confused and desperate as their children
   get older and more independent, as their ability to control (or even
   influence) their children declines.

(I suppose you can see that I have a low opinion of authoritarian parenting!)

	-- Robert
-- 
    Robert Plamondon, robert@weitek.COM

"Ready whenever you are, C.B.!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject: >>>>> a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:43:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

First, Amerasian is a term that became popular during the Vietnamese War.
The French generally did like to be associated with the illegitimate children
left by our GIs.  However, Eurasian is just as vague. After all, a blond hair
German does not look like a Mediteranean Italian and neither looks like 
a freckled face lighthaired Irishman.  All of these are European (not to 
mention the possibilities of immigrants to these countries).  Also, I did not 
mean to imply Caucasian only;  however, that can get us into a religous war 
(or maybe a race riot ;-)). You see that most American people are hybrids
(or muts) and the recessive genes are breed out of us. 

> OK, after checking with my office partner to make sure I am not the only
> clueless person on the net, I now have to ask -

Most non-Asians have double eyelids.  That is, both lids move when they
blink.  Many Asians have single eyelids and only the top eyelid moves 
when they blink.  My wife likes to tease me about having double eyelids. 

Thank you. 


					Steve Simmons
From: karen@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Karen Helt)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:55:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Why not 2%
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.kids

This is obviously an area where doctors disagree.  My doctor told me to
stop giving my daughter whole milk and use 2%.  He said that 2% still has
sufficient fat.  My daughter is 17 months old and is ~90% percentile on
weight and 60% on height.

Karen Helt
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mary@anasazi.com (Mary Curtis)
Subject: Re: Car Sear Recall Information
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.151931.2629@linus.mitre.org> rzahavi@rod.mitre.org (Ron Zahavi) writes:
>
>I recently heard that some Century car seats have been recalled but I
>don't know which models.  I also cannot find an 800 number for Century.
>If you have any information that would be helpful, please e-mail me.
>
>Thanks,
>
> -- Ron --
>==============================================================================
>Ron Zahavi                              Tel:            (703)883-5407


I hadn't been able to read "recreational" news for a few weeks and
didn't know if this has been posted.  Sorry if this is a repeat.
Here's what I found out when I heard about the Century carseat recall
and dialed their 800 number three weeks ago.  This is a summarry of the
information from Century.

Century carseats affected:

	MODEL #'s	3000STE, 3500STE, 5000STE, 5500STE

	SERIAL #:	Check the label on the carseat and
	you should see a number beginning with 4###, this is
	the serial number.  Now, check for a part of it that
	may fall between 8909 and 9204.  If yours falls within
	this range, write down that part of the serial number
	and proceed to with the recall 800 number.  If it does
	not fall in this range, no need to call Century.

	OTHER CRITERIA:	If your seat is very new, it may have a
	yellow sticker saying the release button has been upgraded,
	if so, you won't need to call your seat is already been
	retrofitted with the part.

	PHONE #:	1-800-231-2755

	HOURS:		This is a ** 24 hr ** number, I called at
	10 pm MST and got right through.  During prime working hours
	was not able to get through.  Save yourself the hassle and
	call in the evening!

	THE RECALL DETAILS:	The operator has a statment and really
	no further info.  Century has found in their crash testing
	of "a unique type of accident" the red release button
	(the button that releases the shield so child can be removed)
	rotates upward and will not release".  Century says this has
	NEVER been reported in an actual accident, they are recalling
	based solely on their own tests.  In the case of such accident
	until part is retrofitted, "a white plunger would now be exposed
	and can be used as a release mechanism".  Or the entire seat
	can be removed from the vehicle.  The indication is the chances
	of this happening is rare and the "recall" (actally sending a
	replacement part) is totally voluntary by Century.
	
	Century strongly encourages you to continue to keep your child in
	your carseat for their safety while waiting the part (supposedly
	2-3 weeks, I haven't gotten ours yet at almost 3 weeks).
	D
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty Training???
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: taking cues from child

We've had a potty chair sitting around, mostly gathering dust, for
several months now.  Our son will sometimes sit in it (fully
clothed) but he has not wanted to try sitting on it without clothes on
yet.  He has, however, watched his best friend sit on the potty, and
will often refer to that momentous occasion :-).  I decided to buy a
couple of books about toilet training just to start laying the
groundwork, in case the idea appealed to him.

We bought _Once Upon a Potty_ and the Mr. Rogers' _Going to the
Potty_ book.  My husband read the first book to Dylan, and for the
first time ever, Dylan declined a second reading of a new book.  After 
I read the Mr. Rogers book to him, he also declined a second reading!  
I think he's on to us, so we'll just shelve the books with the rest
of his library and let him decide when he's ready for some more 
brain washing.  :-) :-) :-) 
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 23 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things My Parents Did Right
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


In article <1egkrbINNppm@morrow.stanford.edu>,
CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson) writes:
|> 2. Never yelled at each other, or argued, or criticized each other in
|> front of the kids.
|> >>
|> >>*Never?!*  I think disagreement is only natural.
|>  My folks never argued in front of the kids and as a result, none of
|> the four of us are any good at dealing with anger or disagreements.
|>  We all tend to avoid them at any cost...from a deep seated belief
|> that "people who love each other don't fight".  I wish I'd grown
|> up seeing that disagreements happen and can be resolved.
|> Other wise, "things my parents did right" are many:  the united
|> front, supporting us in what we wanted to do, always letting
|> us know we are loved.
|> Linda

I think it depends on how well the parents handle disagreements more than
an issue of whether or not to have them.  I can remember some of my parents
disagreements where there was shouting and cursing and a few times my father
would throw a plate on the floor.  He would storm out of the house and drink
a few beers in the backyard.  After a few years this behavior stopped and my
mother became very yielding in arguments.  When I was a teenager I asked her
why she didn't stick up for herself more.  She realized she was setting me
a bad example so began to speak up and sure enough the tantrums started
again from my father.  Though I realize parents do argue and stick together,
I really never saw any making up, apologizing, talking through issues, or
compromising.  As a consequence, I have to make a conscious effort to
conduct myself appropriately during an agrument with my husband.  Sometimes,
I find myself throwing a tantrum like my Dad or just giving in like my Mom.

If a couple does decide to argue in front of a child, I think it is important
for both parties to set up groundrules (i.e. no swearing, loud voices,
insults) beforehand and stick to them.  If one or the other parties gets too
angry they should take a timeout.  Also, children need to see the resolution
phase (not just the kiss and make up or forget about it in the morning).  I
really wish my parents had set me a better example.  I know rationally how I
should conduct myself, but sometimes find myself slipping into familiar
patterns.  This is one area I know I need to work on before the baby comes.
I can't emphasize enough how important it is to have groundrules, even more
so where children are involved.  

If others have some ideas of things that have worked for them, I'd like to
hear it.

Valerie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Imaginary friends
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:06:57 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <19921123145240SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
> >From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
> >
> >Sigh.  What do you do when your 3 YO son insists that you invite his
> >imaginary friend over for a play date?  Fortunately, he didn't throw
> >a tantrum over the issue....
>  
> Why not invite the friend?  I'm sure s/he won't eat much. :)
> BTW, is your son an only child?

No, he has a six year old sister.  This happened, I think, in response
to him hearing that one of Rebecca's friends was going to come over.
And yes, his friends do come over to play, too.

I wasn't seriously asking for help -- more of a cute story, actually,
except that he was really a bit upset.  I told him that Jenny's father
or mother would have to speak to us.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller)
Subject: The Teddy Bear song from Capt Kangaroo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:45:11 GMT

My newborn got a stuffed toy that you wind up and it plays a song that 
my mom says is the Teddy Bear song that Capt Kangaroo used to sing on
his show.

I would love to know the lyrics to it if anyone knows them

Thanks in advance

Bonnie
weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute Things They Say (3.9)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:13:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov16.152821.8015@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>Laura was explaining the anatomy of her teddy bear to me:
>
>Laura (pointing to the bottom)  This is his bottom.
>Laura (pointing to the crotch)  This is his girl parts.
>

Pretty good! Angelica insists that she has a "front butt" and a "back butt"
(and a "front tummy" and a "back tummy", which of course is her back). I've
tried to teach her the anatomically correct words, but she insists. It makes
sense, after all, on a girl the front and back "butts" look pretty similar.
From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car seat battles (13 mos)
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:11:12 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1992Nov10.212346.22576@novell.com>
janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone) writes:
 
>
>In article <92314.100920CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Over the last month Doug (13.5 mos) has developed a fierce determination not
>>to get into his carseat. . .  Any hints in the meantime to make things easier?
>
>Welcome, fellow wrestler. I have dubbed myself the carseat wrestling champion
>of Northern California. Georgia (21 mos.) has been fighting getting into
>her carseat since she was about 16 months old, and since then, we have
>had quite a few wrestling bouts. My hints aren't the greatest, but
>they have helped some. At first, I would let her toddle around the car
>a bit and express her independence. But she kept extending the toddling time,
>and she would still fight me when I tried to put her in the car, so
>I stopped that. Now, I always make sure she has some comfort object
>(baba, blankie, "Baby"--her doll) in her arms when I put her in the
>car seat.
>
>Just two weeks ago, she came up with her own coping mechanism:
>she wants to climb in the driver's seat and push all the buttons. Sigh.
>At first I was not happy with this development. But it turns out that
>if I let her do it for a little while (about 15 seconds), she feels,
>that she is being accorded the respect that she deserves, and she'll
>usually get back into the carseat without a struggle. Doug's too
>young for this option right now, but if you can think of some way
>to empower him, it will help. It beats shoving your kid into the
>seat while she arches her back and kicks.
>
>Janine, Mom of Gorgeous Georgia
 
I've been having the same problem and letting Stefan get into the driver's
seat hasn't really worked for me, he doesn't want to get out! :-)
 
I'm positive he'll be ten and will be asking for the keys to the car.  :-)
 
I've tried a few things, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
1--ask if he wants a bottle of juice, if yes, then explain he has to sit in
order to get it. (obviously this won't work if he doesn't want the juice) :-)
2--Bring along small toys, in our case, matchbox cars.
3--last ditch effort is bribing with food--fortunately this doesn't usually
work either.  (well...maybe NOT so fortunate---:-))
 
Anybody else have any ideas, answers, words of wisdom from years of experience?
:-)  :-)   :-)   :-)
 
Ellie
From: onn@hertz.njit.edu (ruth onn ece fac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Air travel while pregnent- summary
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:50:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I posted the following request a while ago.

>What do people know about air travel while pregnant? 
>Specifically, what month do airlines begin to restrict travel? I am
>not pregnent yet, just planning, and want to add the known trip into
>considerations of timing.
>Thanks, Ruth.

First thanks to all who replied.

In Summary:
Reccomended time to travel is 2nd trimester.
One woman travelled in her 8th month without any problem.  It is not
clear if airlines restrict travel, they may ask for a physician's note
after 32 weeks. Noone had this problem, except one woman who had to
produce a note- but to her supervisor. Travel was work related.

Ruth.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin)
Subject: Mattresses
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:31:34 GMT

Hi,

I'm interested in any information you folks could
provide re: purchasing a mattress for a baby's crib.  
I really don't know where to start.  
Specifically what brands are ok, better, best? 
What should I look for re: firmness, etc.  Any and all information
would be greatly appreciated.  If there's enough interest,
I will post a summary.

Thanks much -
Kathy
due 2/25/93
From: sylvia@maple.njit.edu (sylvia gray)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Thank you for your responses to my question
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:57:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu



Just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my questions for
first time mothers.  I really appreciate it and it certainly
has helped.  Again thank you.  

Some has asked me to forward them my responses.  If there is anyone
else who is interested in the responses I got just let me know
at sylvia@maple.njit.edu and I'll send them to you.

		-- sylvia (due 3/21/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your kid things Metallica is cool?
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:46:31 GMT

A few years ago I read "Babit" (sp?), a book about a man having a mid-life
crisis in the 1920's (it was published in 1922 I think).  It was very 
interesting to me that the book mentions that all the "young people" were 
"wild" because the listened to jazz and wore "short" dresses (ie dresses 
above the ankle).  It just goes to show that every new generation does stuff 
that the previous generation finds strange.  And I always think of 
jazz listeners as being refined.  :-)


Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: a milestone
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:04:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: early crawling vs early walking

In article <1992Nov23.185948.8163@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>
>Ah well, I guess things are only starting to get exciting;
>she's definitely trying to pull-up on stuff. I guess she'll
>be an early walker too.  I just didn't expect such an 

Don't count on this!  My eldest child was crawling at 5 1/2 months
and pulling up to a stand at 6 months...then she didn't take a first
step until 11 months, didn't balance herself until 12 months (for a month
or so she would take steps without being able to stand up on her own--she
would just set sail into the middle of a room until she plopped down
onto her knees), and didn't walk for transportation until past a year. 

And then there was my youngest, who didn't really crawl on his hands
and knees until 8 months but was walking sturdily well before a year.

And then there was my sister, who never really crawled at all but walked
at 9-10 months.

Sue