From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproduction
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:44:43 GMT

Michael Zeleny (zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec14.071436.9259@athena.mit.edu> 
> zhu@athena.mit.edu (Erin Zhu) writes:
> 
> >In article <Bz5yrn.BLs@unix.amherst.edu> 
> >jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS) writes:
> 
> JMF:
> >>	What does my pal Mikhail 
> 
> YEZ:
> >Using the term 'pal' rather loosely, aren't we.
> 
> Come now, Skippy is obviously alluding to the French meaning of the
> word, as he indulges in predictably masochistic, receptive fantasies.
> As for the looseness of fit, I don't dare speculate.  Yet another
> victim of Vlad the Impaler?
	I have no idea what my good buddy is talking about here. As for the
reasons that I call Mickey my pal, see my response to Erin. Vlad the Impaler?
But I have to admit, I do like the nickname Skippy.
> 
> JMF:
> >>				 have to say about oral sex between us
> >>breeders? 
> 
> YEZ:
> >Is that to be considered a proposition?  I'm sure he'd be flattered.
> 
> Yes, it isn't every day that someone offers to undergo a sex change
> operation, for the sole purpose of becoming eligible to suck me off.
> Still, I must regretfully decline: aside from the question of Skippy's
> impaired genotype, I just can't take the risk of coming so close to
> absolute vacuum.
	Well, I guess I sort of phrased that wrong. I meant "us" as a general
group, not me and Mickey personally, although I'm sure it would be...um...uh...
well, it would be an event.
> 
> JMF:
> >>That's not reproductive in any possible world, but I can't imagine
> >>him objecting to some woman offering him a blow job...
> 
> YEZ:
> >Then one is afraid that your imagination is sadly lacking.  Although
> >such objections would be based on aesthetic reasons rather than moral
> >ones, I'd imagine.
> 
> In the final analysis, it will amount to the same thing.  Someone so
> blitheringly stupid, can't help being ugly as well.
	Really? I've always felt that people who are as blitheringly stupid
as myself are usual sort of cute. Seems to be my experience, unfortunately. 
However, Mickey is right - I would not make a cute woman. But then again, as
I explained previously, that's not my point.
> 
> JMF:
> >>							although, then again,
> >>maybe he doesn't have that problem. After all, Kant was a virgin his entire 
> >>life - I suspect that this is probably the only way in which Mikhail could
> >>compare any aspect of himself to a guy like Kant at all.
> 
> YEZ:
> >Relax, Jesse, I promise I won't leak any information which might make
> >you (gasp!) reconsider your set-in-stone image of your dear pal.
> >After all, what could one possibly take for granted in this world if
> >_that_ was to change?
> 
> Well, if you don't tell him, I will.  You see, Skippy, Kant didn't
> remain a virgin.  His students managed to persuade him that a moral
> philosopher of his stature had to have experienced the sensations of
> carnal union, if only once.  So they conducted him to a brothel, and
> the old Manny did the deed.  Whereupon his students inquired about his
> impressions, provoking Kant to his famous description of intercourse:
> 
> 	"A succession of senseless, haphazard motions."
	Um, Mickey? I think she was referring to my set-in-stone image of you,
which I assure you still holds a legendary stature. While I always thought 
that story was just one of those mythical anecdotes, I'll take your word that
it's true. My mistake.
> 
> JMF:
> >>	But then again, maybe I'm just being rude.
> 
> YEZ:
> >You?  The soul of sincere good manners, charm, and wit?  NO!?!
> 
> JMF:
> >>				-jesse "I'm not defined by my dick" fuchs
> 
> YEZ:
> >Impressive, indeed.  Manly defiance with a splash of boyish charm, a
> >pinch of quirky vulgarity, a smidgen of ironic distance...
> 
> I dissent: clearly Skippy wishes to excuse the negligibility of the
> definiendum by the lack of the definiens.
	Wow. Small penis jokes. Mickey's more fun than an entire collection of
Masters of The Universe action figures, let me be telling you. Personally, I
don't like to define myself by my sexual proclvities. Okay, I'm attracted to
woman, and I'm not attracted to men, but who the heck cares?
> 
> >  --Erin
> >
> >
> 
> cordially,
> mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
> "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."

			-jesse "A winner in the game of Life" fuch
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