HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll of users/systems
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:39:00 GMT

MP>     I did not see your original post...  :(
  >Maybe it was in the middle of that batch of a hundred or so 'Medieval'
  >messages a few days back.  (Something got crossed)
  >     But I am here!

MP>Amiga Commodore Edition  Fido 1:202/1412  and AdaNet
  >(619) 463-1355  San Diego, California

MP>--- DLG Pro v0.992/DLGMail
  > * Origin: Amiga Commodore Edition   =^/ (1:202/1412)

  Thanks Michelle.  Yes the crossposts were a problem.  Took me 3 days
to track them down.  Right after that happened I lost my feed for a few
days, unconnected problems.  Everything seems to be going well now.
   Later, Marv

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Feel Safe And Be Free
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: gould@waterloo.hp.com (Dan Gould)
Subject: GIF Full Paths Needed
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:45:45 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


Many of use rely on mail servers to 'ftp' files from remote sites. Do do
this we often must have a full path name of the file we want to get.

Would it be possible to publish these here, as each GIF file is installed
on your server. A format such as

 GIF-File-Name: /ftp-site/<rest of path>/

Would allow use to use simple filters to dig the names out of the
message and request the GIFs.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.


--
Dan Gould
gould@waterloo.hp.com
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:31:00 GMT

JN>Still with you ... here in Richmond Va..... trying to get the 9600modem
  >working so i may start hgetting the gif files ... I have gotten the other
  >files that you sent me :)
  >This is a very important echo... and I feel that "ALL"
  >so help you in any way we can ....Not much typing being done from this end
a
  >I have one wing in a sling (shoulder surgery)

JN>                       Enjoy your Holidays
  >                                      Jim


  Great Jim.  Thanks for the help and have good holidays.
    Later, Marv

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Feel Safe And Be Free
From: Peggy.Mcbride@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Peggy Mcbride)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Poll Message
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:04:00 GMT

MC> Hi Peggy, I guess you know by now that what happened to you is not the
MC>exemption, but the rule.  The police are so inundated with calls that
MC>many of them do not take action on runaways.  I am glad that you were
MC>able to get action and hopefully the PD is putting this info into NCIC.
MC>  We have found that flyers work extremely well in finding these
MC>children.  We place the statement "It is not against the law to be a
MC>runaway, but it is a felony to HARBOR a Runaway".  You would be
MC>surprised on how fast their friends disassociate themselves from these
MC>children.  We had four gang members arrested for harboring when the
MC>police saw our flyer in their safe house.  That was proof enough that
MC>they had knowledge.

I know it is still the rule that most police departments, when it
involves teenagers, still think they are all runaways, and nothing to
worry about.    I guess one is never too old to learn, <grin>, I had no
idea it was a felony to harbor a runaway, I will have to remmeber that!
I knew there had to be a law against it, but assumed it was a civil
infarction, nothing more.  Thanks for the info.


 * SLMR 2.1 * We all live in a yellow subroutine.
From: Kevin.Basey@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Kevin Basey)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: PROPOSAL FOR REORGANIZATION OF GENDE
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:37:38 GMT


 > DG> Subject: Proposal for reorganization of gender-issue groups
 > 
 > Is this truly appropriate to the Missing Children echo?  Or does it 
 > appear in this echo through a "mis-fire" somewhere?

When people in usenet decide they want to change the name or heiarchy of
conferences they tend to cross-post the message into all areas that may be
affected by the change.  Since they were thinking of doing something that could
affect alt.missing-kids (missing_child to you and me) they had to post it in
the newsgroup for discussion.  The only bad part about it is that when replies
come in they are also in the crossposts.

...klb

(gateway operator fidonet<-> usenet gateway
From: Doug.Roberts@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Doug Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:17:00 GMT

PF>> > Quoting Marv Cotton to All dated 12-04-92 ***
PF>> > This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems
PF>>to
PF>> > have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.

Marv..I missed the poll msg, as I started around 12/14 carrying this
conference.  Haven't really figured out yet how useful it is, as I
thought that it would carry descriptions, etc. of missing children.
Anyway, I am:

                Doug Roberts
                The Moveable Image
                Gray, Maine
                (207) 657-4423
From: jerrett@iastate.edu (Gregory A Jerrett)
Subject: Attention Elizabeth Pollard/Clinton Address
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:28:56 GMT

Soem time ago elizabeth Pllard posted President-elect Clinton's email
address.  I tried it and it doesn't seem to work.  Any body here have any luck with that?
If Elizabeth Pollard is reading, please email me if it's not too much trouble.

Thanks,
Greg Jerrett
jerrett#iastate.edu
       ^
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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!tamvm1.tamu.edu!HWS.bitnet!HWS1!MIHALYI
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:54:00 GMT

Original-Sender: HWS.bitnet!HWS1!MIHALYI

> Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

> The problem is terrible for everyone, but particularly abominable for
> American Indians, because our own identity is stolen from us and then
> a schizophrenic, shattered mirror version peddled back to us at high
> cost. It is a moronic modern way of being sold into slavery.

I asked about this TV program because there are a LOT of native people
working as actors in it.  Who are these people?  Is this program made
near their community, providing them with jobs?  Do they agree to say things
like the Ben and Jerry comment because they need these jobs?  Are there
any American Indians employed as advisors to this program?  Are the writers
Indian?


> Get a life!

Thanks for the advice.  I'll send for one right away.


        Mary Mihalyi

        mihalyi @ hws.bitnet

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!iamok.enet.dec.com!"iamok: :gentile"
Subject: RE: John Trudell's Album/CD AKA Grafitti Man
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:03:07 GMT

Original-Sender: iamok.enet.dec.com!"iamok::gentile"

I have and love it! I bought it after hearing three of the songs on a live
tape that a friend had. I love Bombs Over Bagdad!

Sam

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: mlw@moscow.cc.bellcore.com (wason,mary lu l)
Subject: Northern Exposure
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:30:26 GMT


In fairness to Northern Exposure - I'd like to mention
that in the beginning of the Indians throwing tomatoes 
episode - Flieshmann (the doctor) was at first very upset
that people were ruining his expensive silk shirt. 
When he asked one Indian (Dan?) why tomatoes, he was told
"it could be worse. Could be chains, or baseball bats, or
knives." In this same episode - it was Thanksgiving
and the whole town remembered the dead who had died 
because of the European invasion.  

Northwest Indian customs have been the basis for many
Northern Exposure episodes. Some that come to my mind
are Flieshman being adopted into the local tribe and
being led on a vision quest, 
Maggie turning 30 and following a custom that Ed
tells her about, to make peace with her past,
a Christmas story when the whole town celebrates an
NW Indian tale of a savior (a crow?) that mirrors the
Christian tale.

In my non-Indian, non-Native, mind, I think the 
show is a positive step towards recognizing the value
of Indian customs and beliefs and exposing people
of other cultures to them. But I'm certainly ready
to change my opinion, since I'm not a subject matter
expert here.

In fact, I've been trying not to post here - since I'm
not Indian. Sorry. 
But I too am interested in other
opinions about Northern Exposure. 

Thanks.
	-Mary Lu Wason

-- 

-----------------
Mary Lu Wason
mlw@cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:01:25 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

For those select few who consider Northern Exposure

> > a schizophrenic, shattered mirror version peddled back to us at high
> cost. It is a moronic modern way of being sold into slavery.

I'd like to suggest that they put their superior expert skills and opinions
forward and do something themselves ... if it has REAL merit, they can even
get someone like Robert Redford to put up the money for it.  Otherwise, the
grumblers should consider "getting a life" instead of ALWAYS raining on
someone else's parade.  Most of the Bay Area community really enjoys
Northern Exposure ... if for no other reason than they aren't CONSTANTLY
whining about the horrors inflicted by the "dreaded Europeans" ... WE CANNOT
FLOURISH EMOTIONALLY, and put all the !@#!! behind us, and GET A LIFE if we
can't experience some joyful culture occasionally ... and the Native Americans
on the show, who have been interviewed many times, do NOT feel like they are
selling out.

I know this has been a difficult year for all of us, & truly hideous for
many of us, but for the love of God, lets have a little peace just once in a
while ... it doesn't mean we can't work as hard as ever on our assigned &
unassigned causes, programs, justice, etc., but no where in the rule book
does it say we can't laught and have fun occasionally.

lyn

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"We did not weave the web of life.  We   | Lyn Dearborn
are merely a strand in it.  Whatever     | Naturalist/Person
we do to the web, we do to ourselves"    | dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
		Chief Seattle 1854
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From: dgh@validgh.com (David G. Hough on validgh)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: --Canadian Natives to Sell Wind
Summary: make money?
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:57:13 GMT
Organization: validgh, PO Box 20370, San Jose, CA 95160

In article <1308200097@igc.apc.org>, tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray) writes:
  
  Native residents of the Peigan Indian Reserve near Lethbridge,
  Alberta, are anticipating a major economic windfall from a windfarm
  to be built on their property next year, according to the Financial
  Times of Canada.
   
  Wind studies of the area, the article said, indicate that it
  exceeds California's Altamont Pass, one of the largest
  concentrations of windpower in the world, in wind energy potential. 
   
  The Peigan project is partially funded with money from the
  Southwest Alberta Renewable Energy Initiative (SWAREI).  However,
  the bulk of the funds for the $17-million project will come from
  the Peigans and their investors.
   
  The windfarm will be built by a Calgary firm, Wind Power, Inc.

I wish the Peigans good luck.   As an investor in various Altamont Pass
projects, I can assure them that, with the benefit of hindsight, I wouldn't
have bothered.   Even with 50% tax credits available to California taxpayers,
they were still a bad investment.   
Most have been foreclosed; many of the smaller
promoters have gone bankrupt.    Who owns Wind Power, Inc?
-- 

David Hough
dgh@validgh.com
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!iamok.enet.dec.com!"iamok: :gentile"
Subject: RE: Northern Exposure
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:59:57 GMT

Original-Sender: iamok.enet.dec.com!"iamok::gentile"

I saw the episode in question and I frankly don't see the uproar. I am
usually quite militant about these things and fighting the inaccurate
potrayals but it lloked to me to be a way to bring understanding to the
general public about this day. I actaully smiled when I saw it and thought
no other TV show is doing this - it makes people really think about the
No it isn't perfect but it's like Dances With Wolves (which also has many,
many problems), it starts to bring awareness.

My 2 cents
Sam
From: dgh@validgh.com (David G. Hough on validgh)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Dances with Wolves problems
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:06:39 GMT
Organization: validgh, PO Box 20370, San Jose, CA 95160

In article <9212281525.AA21724@us1rmc.bb.dec.com>,  writes:

> it's like Dances With Wolves (which also has many, many problems)

Don't rehash this if it's old material, but it seems to me that a big
problem with Dances With Wolves is it makes the Lt., and the Lakotas, look
like a bunch of heroic saints, and the enlisted ranks of the US Cavalry,
and the Pawnees, look like a bunch of bums.   Something that clear cut
doesn't sound like real life.
-- 

David Hough
dgh@validgh.com
From: surrey_d@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Geography Help Needed
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:29:43 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Help please.

I am starting a  new graduate Geography course for k-12
teachers and will include as much as possible on Native
Americans. One of the things that might help teachers
teach their students is the taking of names for both
current cites - Missouri, Mississippi, etc - and for
products - Pontiac, Cherokee. I need more such examples
as well as any other ideas you might have.

Thank you.
From: tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: --Canadian Natives to Sell Wind
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:03:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1308200097:000:2101
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Dec 29 13:03:00 1992


/* Written  5:31 am  Nov 23, 1992 by tgray@igc.apc.org in igc:en.energy */

ALBERTA NATIVES LOOK
FORWARD TO WINDPOWER
 
Native residents of the Peigan Indian Reserve near Lethbridge,
Alberta, are anticipating a major economic windfall from a windfarm
to be built on their property next year, according to the Financial
Times of Canada.
 
The 2,200 members of the Peigan band expect to realize Cdn $1
million (US $850,000) each year from the sale of electric power
from the 9.9-MW facility.  In addition, natives will be employed in
building and operating the project.
 
Wind studies of the area, the article said, indicate that it
exceeds California's Altamont Pass, one of the largest
concentrations of windpower in the world, in wind energy potential. 
 
The Peigan project is partially funded with money from the
Southwest Alberta Renewable Energy Initiative (SWAREI).  However,
the bulk of the funds for the $17-million project will come from
the Peigans and their investors.
 
The windfarm will be built by a Calgary firm, Wind Power, Inc.

===============================

The American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) has authorized me to offer
an electronic edition of its newsletter, _Wind Energy Weekly_, from
which the above article is excerpted, at no cost.

For those of you who have not previously seen excerpts from back issues
on Usenet or Bitnet, the _Weekly_ reports on the outlook for renewable
energy, energy-related environmental issues, and renewable energy
legislation in addition to wind industry trade news.  The electronic
edition normally runs about 10kb in length.

If you would like a free electronic subscription, send me an e-mail
request.  Please include information on your position, organization,
and reason for interest in the publication.

If the _Weekly_ is not quite for you, please pass this message on to
someone else you think might be interested.  Thanks.

*******************************************************************
Tom Gray                                 EcoNet/PeaceNet: tgray@igc
Internet/Bitnet: tgray@igc.apc.org            UUCP: uunet!cdp!tgray
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: "WILLIAM FLEITZ" <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!gmuvax.gmu.edu!WFLEITZ>
Subject: Re: John Trudell's Album/CD AKA Grafitti Man
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:22:00 GMT

Original-Sender: "WILLIAM FLEITZ" <gmuvax.gmu.edu!WFLEITZ>

On 18 Dec 92 at 21:01:03 GMT steveho@sco.COM (Steve Hoff) writes:

>    I just received a copy of John Trudell's CD AKA Grafitti Man.
> It's on Rykodisc (RCD 10223). It's produced by Jackson Browne.
> The first track "Rockin the Res" has definate Jackson Browne tones,
> and I like it. The rest of the tracks are quite good too! Has anyone
> else heard it (or heard of it)?

I enjoyed Trudell's record--it was presented as a synthesis of John's
poetry and the late Jesse Ed Davis's hard-hitting music.  Definitely
one of the year's best albums.  (For an excellent review, cf. Z
magazine, July/August 1992 issue.)  Myself, however, I really
enjoyed Buffy Sainte Marie's latest "Coincidence and Likely Stories"
with the stirring ballad "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee."  This is
a must listen album.
William Fleitz.

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:32:33 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

>
> Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
>
> For those select few who consider Northern Exposure
>
> > > a schizophrenic, shattered mirror version peddled back to us at high
> > cost. It is a moronic modern way of being sold into slavery.

Of course, I was speaking of television as an usurper of genuine
individuality and diversity, in general, not this program in
particular. A few drops of water in a wasteland still does not mean
that one should not think of relocating oneself to a climate more
favorable to growth, however. I think many instinctively realize
the nature of the medium as inimicable to many positive aspects
of human psychology, but perhaps for those who have come to take it
for granted, and therefore benign, another reading of McLuhan's
The Medium is the Message might be in order.
>
> I'd like to suggest that they put their superior expert skills and opinions
> forward and do something themselves ... if it has REAL merit, they can even
> get someone like Robert Redford to put up the money for it.  Otherwise, the
> grumblers should consider "getting a life" instead of ALWAYS raining on
> someone else's parade.  Most of the Bay Area community really enjoys
> Northern Exposure ...

It is no doubt useful to have natives involved in film and TV as actors
and producers and directors. That doesn't change the nature of the
medium, its drawbacks that are intrinsic, nor its essential role in
the modern entertainment culture. For those who are tempted to become
watchers, with all the attendant transformations that take place, it
would be better overall to avoid drinking too deeply.

The Bay Area, with all its wonderful and valuable individuals, is still
subject to the same tendency in modern America, probably more so, to
confuse fantasy with reality. It's too bad that the early American
realization, that all men are created equal in the Creator's eyes, has
been bastardized by the consumer TV culture to mean that all men's
dreams should become the same. MAybe for Californian intellectuals,
a better assessment is found in Nathanael West's The Day of the Locust,
where the beliefs and myths that motivated individuals, often secretly
and powerfully, have become trivia in the headlines of discarded
movie fan magazines.

I know that the pressures are tremendous to simply become another
minor entry in the vaudeville show of imperial American consumerist
multiculturalism, but what pithy observation about it all might
Chief Seattle make?


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peshe%mamia.UUCP@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia.UUCP!peshe
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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:54:38 GMT

In article <01GSNUYVQAI8985E3D@vms.cis.pitt.edu> beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!vms.cis.pitt.edu!RASTROFF writes:
>... but
>then again, no one claims Northern Exposure and its characters are meants to
>be representetive or "real".
>
>The question then must deal with the types of representations constructed,
>in the context of the history of represnetations of Native Americans, etc.,
>and in the context of the products of the mainstream television industry.

The responses to this subject line have been facinating in
perspective!  And the above quoted text is the essense of it all.

While I tend to agree with Peshe's cynical attitude about the
real, or not, worth of the television medium, and it happens that
personally I've never watched more than a few minutes of Northern
Exposure, there are some very interesting observations about the
program that are common knowledge in Alaska that aren't anywhere
else.

The first thing to know is that Alaskans, like everyone else,
apparently find it a fairly good show...  except for that spindly
looking little moose that must have come from Maine.  The
producers have stated that the intent is to show something close
to, but not exactly, the environment in an Alaskan town.  There is
more truth shown than not...  it comes close but the main object
is to be entertaining not educational.  Which is to say it does
NOT portray Alaska, or Alaskans, Native or otherwise, correctly in
any specific case where it would detract from the entertainment
value.

The entertainment value of the Native Alaskan characters happens
to be a subject that has caused somewhat of a stir here.  The
first season the program was aired it definitely tried to show
what Alaska Natives look like.  Some of the actors were; and
others were chosen because they looked the part.  But, following
the first season they did a number of surveys on what viewer
reactions were, and made many decisions designed to improve viewer
satisfaction.  The producers were very open about the exact
changes and articles appeared in virtually every newspaper in the
state describing how all the Native parts were being changed from
ones that portrayed, and were cast for, Alaskan Native people, to
ones that matched lower-48 viewers' ideas of what American Natives
should look like.  The producers gave very specific lists of the
physical differences.  Paraphrasing what they said, the program
now has what the producers perceive that previous movies and
television shows have conditioned the American public to think an
Indian looks like.  It has nothing at all to do with Alaskan
Native people, and perhaps not even as much as one would wish to
do with lower-48 Indian people either.

So much for reality and representations...  its entertainment.

Floyd
-- 
floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:53:30 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

>
> > Get a life!
>
> Thanks for the advice.  I'll send for one right away.
>
>
>         Mary Mihalyi
>

For the record, the comment is by no means aimed at Mary; her
earlier posting was merely the take-off point for some musings about
the destructive influence of television on Indian culture. That's
something I'm sure many of us have observed first hand on the
reservation.

"Get a life" would be an apt reproof for anyone wasting their mind
and life in front of the television screen; that is, their own
life rather than someone else's ersatz mythology.

I leave it to others to comment on the particular program Mary
mentioned. We here have taken this position seriously, and do not
have television. I don't think we are by any means deprived by
this lack, however.

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peshe%mamia.UUCP@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia.UUCP!peshe
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