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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:38:58 EST
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From:         "Marla K. Thomas" <MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      personnel survey

Kathleen, if your institution is a CAUSE member, you can get this information
for all the CAUSE member institutions (over 1,000 campuses) by requesting
a survey report from their Institutional Database.  Contact Randy Richter
at CAUSE:  rrichter@CAUSE.colorado.edu

Best Wishes,
Marla K. Thomas               || MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.Louisville.edu
Director, Information Systems || MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.Bitnet
University of Louisville      || Phone: (502) 588-0914
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From:         Terri Cameron <GH0225@SPRINGB.BITNET>
Subject:      Decentralization

We have just found out this week that our department will be decentralized,
with programmers moved into some as yet undefined administrative areas
around the institution and that Office Visions, DW370 and our other
office automation systems will also be taken away from our users at some
as yet undefined point, probably in the next couple of years.

Although it's pretty apparent that our Dean's mind is made up, I have
been assured that he is interested in any feedback about institutions
who have already decentralized, particularly as to how they have handled
issues such as campus-wide calendars, e-mail and bulletin boards.  I
think it would also be interesting to see how many institutions there
really are out there who do not have a centralized computing area that
includes programming support.  We are only talking about 5 programmers
for 1,200 users with some pretty diverse needs.

So, I am scanning indexes of journals looking for articles and thought
I'd ask people who might have gone through this already.

I'd appreciate any comments you can send.

Thank you.

Terri Cameron                                              PHONE: 217/782-2419
Departmental Information Supervisor                          FAX: 217/785-5561
Computing Services                                      BITNET: GH0225@SPRINGB
P.O. Box 19230                         INTERNET:GH0225%SPRINGB@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Springfield, IL 62794-9230
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:16:35 CST
From:         Kathleen Dickey <KFD862B@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      personnel survey

   It is that time of year when we prepare our budget requests for
next fiscal year.  I am the manager of applications development,
Computer Services department at Southwest MO State University.
I will be asking for more personnel for next year as will all my
counterparts.
   I was wondering how our staffing compares to other universities.
I would appreciate it if you would take a few minutes to answer
these questions.
   1.  Student enrollment (we have approximately 20,000)


   2.  Computers supported by the Computer Services department.
       (We have an IBM 4381 and 3 RISC systems)


   3.  Total systems staff - these people support the operating
       systems on the various computers. Includes support of
       networks. (we have 5 staff and one student worker)


   4.  Total applications staff - these people develop and maintain
       applications both academic and administrative.  This includes
       database administrators. (we have a staff of 12)


   5.  Computing lab support staff - these people work in the computer
       labs and handle PC questions.  (we have 6 staff and 20 students)


   I have included managers in our staffing counts.  Please include the
 name of your institution.

   Thank you for your responses.

    Kathleen Dickey
    Manager of Applications Development
    Southwest Missouri State University
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:40:16 -0500
From:         AML@LTUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      disclosing or selling student data

Regarding the issue of "selling" student mailing labels, I think the
practice is a poor one.  At LTU, our students do not want their addresses
given out and we don't give them out nor do we publish a student directory.
If students want to get on mailing lists there are many other ways to do so.
Very few of the requests I see are for anything that would benefit the
students...the Provost makes exceptions to the policy, but rarely...the
other requests go in the wastebasket.

Ann Liska, Registrar, Lawrence Tech Univ.
Bitnet aml@ltuvax

p.s. I am a new CUMREC member and will be giving a paper in San Antonio.
Friendly audience members please attend!  Thanks.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:49:58 -0700
From:         Jerl Pringle <jpringle@SILVER.SDSMT.EDU>
Subject: Re: project management software

We have looked over the past several years at several of these.  They all fell
 short of the multiple
usage that we needed.  We finally ended up developing our own.  We have just
 recently moved it over to
FoxPro Windows from an older version of FoxPro.  Our utilization encompassed
 areas that none of the others
had.  We use it for our help desk and work orders in combination to project
 managment.  Our students and staff
can key their time against any project from to changing a ribbon to wiring a
 building.  We are also in the
process of integrating it into our inventory control and billing system so we
 can have a composit system
to manage all activities our students are involved in.  We have not yet cranked
 up the new system, but
will keep you posted if you are interested.
Jerl E. Pringle
jpringle@silver.sdsmt.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:15:39 CST
From:         "'Larry D. Newhouse'" <LDNEWHO@ISUADP.BITNET>
Subject:      CUMREC network

FROM: "Larry D. Newhouse" <LDNEWHO@ISUADP>
SUBJECT: CUMREC network
DATE: 21 JAN 1993 09:14 -00
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TO: <CUMREC-L@NDSUVM1>





A collegue requested that I post this question on the CUMREC List for
her.  You may respond to myself or directly to Kathy Jones.  Thank you.

At Iowa State University, we are considering using our
touch-tone registration system for distribution of grades,
with a goal of no longer mailing grades to each student at
the end of the semester.  I am interested in getting
feedback from other universities who distribute grades via
touch-tone and have discontinued the student grade mailers.
How have students (and parents?) responded to this?

Also - we place all grades for the previous term on the
permanent record file about a week after the end of the term.
We are worried about phone traffic control if all students are
permitted to start calling for grades on a given day.  Are
any of you using a release schedule for calling to obtain
grade information, and if so how do you notify students when
they may call?
Kathy Jones
Associate Registrar
515-294-0754
j1.jvs@isumvs
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From: csdeh@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (David Henard)
Subject: Integrated Imaging Solutions
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:04:55 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

  I have recently initiated an investigation of integrated imaging
solutions for our records and business offices and would like to know
where others are on this system solution.  The goal would be to locate
records that are not found on-line at the IBM host by accessing CD jukebox
devices that are attached to UNIX or OS/2 based servers on our
campus-wide Token-ring network.
  We also plan to write archived records to CD-R optical disks.  I would
hope to be able to use the same database access system to locate these
"character stored" CD records as well as the scanned image records that
are archived from hard copy.
  Please feel free to e-mail directly to me and I'll try to summarize "who
is doing what with what."
  Thanks in advance!

Dave


-- 
|----------------------- Eastern Illinois University ----------------------|
| Dave Henard                                                              |
| Associate Vice President for             Internet: csdeh@eiu.edu         |
| Computer and Telecommunications Services Phone   : (217) 581-3227        |
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:13:49 GMT
From:         Roy Martin <CCSYS005@CCSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: personnel survey

Kathleen,

1.  Student enrollment
    <<  Our headcount is just under 5,000.  (I'm not sure what our
        FTE is.)  >>
2.  Computers supported by the Computer Services department.
    <<  We use an IBM 4381 for most of our administrative work, and
        support a DEC VAX 8200 & DECStation 5240 for academic work.
        (A few classes also use the IBM for academic stuff.)  >>

3.  Total systems staff - these people support the operating
    systems on the various computers. Includes support of
    networks.
    <<  1 Director,  1 Systems programmer,  2 Network administrators  >>

4.  Total applications staff - these people develop and maintain
    applications both academic and administrative.  This includes
    database administrators.
    <<  3 Programmer/Analysts,  1 Programmer I  >>

5.  Computing lab support staff - these people work in the computer
    labs and handle PC questions.
    <<  2 Full time operators,  3 Student/Part-time operators,
        1 PC Lab administrator, approx 12 student lab assistants,
        1 PC training coordinator  >>

Take care,
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||   Roy Martin                  |  CORPUS CHRISTI STATE UNIVERSITY  ||
||   Programmer/Analyst &        |  6300 OCEAN DRIVE                 ||
||     GOD (Guardian Of Data)    |  CORPUS CHRISTI, TX  78412-5599   ||
||                               |     PHONE: (512) 994-2693         ||
||   CCSYS005@CCSUVM1.BITNET     |     FAX:   (512) 994-2366         ||
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||  DISCLAIMER:  The views/opinions expressed here, which are        ||
||    invariably correct, (or at least humorous), are my own and not ||
||    necessarily those of Corpus Christi State University, which    ||
||    are less often correct, (but usually much more humorous).      ||
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:55:00 CST
From:         Chuck Thomas-NCHEMS/Chicago <CRT@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Project Management Software

Some years ago I re-discovered a fact of life about complex schema like
CPM (critical path method), PERT, and other project management systems.
90% of the benefit comes from 10% of the effort, and the marginal 10%
of the benefit comes from the rest of the effort (90%).  The primary
90% level benefit is getting agreement upon, writing down, and
distributing WHO is going to do WHAT, and WHEN, then keeping that list
up to date during the project.  Almost any of the project management
software packages listed provide those basic capabilities, so you
should minimize your time, cost, and grief in chosing a friendly
package, then get on with the hard part... getting people to agree on
the WHO, WHAT and WHEN.
     Personally I use MS-Project because it integrates well with the
rest of my software, and the academic price ($149) was attractive.
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     Senior Consultant, NCHEMS        BITNET: crt@luccpua
     and President, CHESS                TEL: 312-951-1876
     1100 North Lake Shore Drive 16B     FAX: 312-664-0512
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:24:54 -0500
From:         "Leonard M. Brush" <lb1z+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Touchtone Grades

Re: ASU touchtone system ....Do you have the following that you would be
willing to share? Initial system requirements and/or specifications..
Cost justification study performed prior to decision to go forward with
design and implementation ... Post - implementation evaluation with
anything you have about cost-benefit or cost-savings or cost per student
or transaction or query???...Thanx, for your help and congratulations on
a successful implementation...Len

*****************************************************
Len Brush, Assistant Vice President, Administrative Computing and
Information Services, Carnegie Mellon University, E-Mail is
LB1Z@ANDREW.CMU.EDU... PHONE# is 412-268-3888....FAX# is
412-268-6868...ADDRESS is:CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
                                                  A C I S
                                                  4910 FORBES AVE.- UCC156
                                                  PITTSBURGH,PA. 15213
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:47:41 -0600
From:         "Bob Eaton, Computing Services, U. Sask." <EATON@ADMIN1.USASK.CA>
Subject:      Re: personnel survey

Here's the situtation at UofS:

   1.  Student enrollment (we have approximately 20,000)

        14,500 FTE.  We register 21,500.


   2.  Computers supported by the Computer Services department.
       (We have an IBM 4381 and 3 RISC systems)

        I think this is all that the systems managers support directly:

        VAXclusters:
                1 mix-mode cluster of two 6430's and app. 20 VAXstations.
                1 cluster of a VAXstation 4000, Mod 90 (a batch engine and
                        and Internet node) and a microvax 3100.
        6 microvax 3100.
        12 DECstation workstations.




   3.  Total systems staff - these people support the operating
       systems on the various computers. Includes support of
       networks. (we have 5 staff and one student worker)

        Supporting the above (no nets people): 6 people.


   4.  Total applications staff - these people develop and maintain
       applications both academic and administrative.  This includes
       database administrators. (we have a staff of 12)

        12 for admin.  1 fte for academic applications.


   5.  Computing lab support staff - these people work in the computer
       labs and handle PC questions.  (we have 6 staff and 20 students)

        We have 6.

_________________________
R.B. Eaton,
Manager, Administrative Applications
Computing Services
University of Saskatchewan                       Email: EATON@ADMIN.USASK.CA
SASKATOON, SK                                    Phone: (306) 966-4854
S7N 0W0    CANADA                                FAX:   (306) 966-4938
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:57:26 GMT
From:         Roy Martin <CCSYS005@CCSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      SCT Banner / Distributed Processing

I've posted this query to the BANNER-L list and gotten no response, so
I thought I'd try my favorite list, (you guys), and see if I get some
info.  In a nutshell:

CCSU is looking, (just looking), at the possibility of procuring SCT's
Banner series, (student information system).  The main characteristic we
desire is distributed processing - the database is spread over different
machines and operating systems to cut down on the bottlenecks created by
the traditional 'putting all your eggs in one database.'  (Can I mix
metaphors, or what!)  The SCT salesmen assure us this is possible with
their BANNER series, (the ORACLE database is really what gets distributed).

In the interest of not trusting a salesmen farther than you can throw him,
does anyone have any experience with BANNER in a distributed environment?
If not with Banner, do you have experience with any product, (even a home-
grown one), in a distributed environment and have some words of wisdom you
could share with us?

Thanks in advanced,
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||   Roy Martin                  |  CORPUS CHRISTI STATE UNIVERSITY  ||
||   Programmer/Analyst &        |  6300 OCEAN DRIVE                 ||
||     GOD (Guardian Of Data)    |  CORPUS CHRISTI, TX  78412-5599   ||
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||   CCSYS005@CCSUVM1.BITNET     |     FAX:   (512) 994-2366         ||
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:32:28 EST
From:         "Mark A. Olson" <mao@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Phones...

First, let me thank those many folks who have already responded to my
inquiry about "grades by phone" - the response has been outstanding,
and I expect we havnen't heard the end of it!  Second, I'll respond
directly to Kathy Jones, as they've apparently missed the first wave of
responses generated by my initial iquiry.  That is, I'll let Kathy know
what I have (forward the notes I've saved) and let her join in the
dialogue.  When the traffic slows, I'll of course summarize the input
I've received and send that to the list.   Thanks again,

Mark Olson
Columbia University in the City of New York.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:10:38 EST
From:         Pete Kearney <Z1@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: student directory information
              25 Jan 1993 09:01:00 EDT from <csvcas@ADMIN.AC.EDU>

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:01:00 EDT Cathy A. Shawver said:
>Upon reading a Fact Sheet about the Family Educational Rights and Privacy
>Act (FERPA) distributed by the US Dept of Education, I understand that
>schools may disclose, without consent, "directory" type information such as
>a student's name, address, telephone number, date & place of birth, honors
>and awards, and dates of attendance. ..........

I would like to see a discussion on the relationship between "disclose" and
"sell" and "ethics" and "integrity", and once you start charging, where
you cross the line from covering expenses to a source of revenue.

Peter J. Kearney (Z1@NERVM.BITNET)
IFAS Administrative Computing Systems
University of Florida
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:27:36 -0500
From:         JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: personnel survey

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     26-Jan-1993 07:22pm EST
                                        From:     Ernest Jones
                                                  JONESEL
                                        Dept:     CAMS
                                        Tel No:   704 262 6276

TO:  VMSMail User _IN%"CUMREC-L           ( _IN%"CUMREC-L@NDSUVM1.BITNET" )


Subject: RE: personnel survey

APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
BOONE, NC

11,600 STUDENTS
650 FACULTY
800 STAFF

We have:
3 Systems programmers
2 in Computer Network Services
3 in Electronic Maintenance and a student clerk
15 in Administrative Computing
5 in operations
2 in control coordination
1 accounting clerk
3 in PC training Center

Hardware:
    VAX Cluster 8650, 8550, 6000-350, Vaxstation 3100, Vaxstation
4000-60.

Ernest L. Jones, Director                Please use Internet address only
Computer and Management Services          JONESEL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Appalachian State University              Phone: 704 262-6276
Boone, NC  28608
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:57:15 MST
From:         "John W. Eoff" <ASD009@NMSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: student directory information
              25 Jan 1993 09:01:00 EDT from <csvcas@ADMIN.AC.EDU>

NMSU recognizes what is exactly in the FERPA legislation.  However,
the directory lists the name, address, college, class (freshman, soph,
etc,, and phone number.  When student requests non-disclosure we simply
omit all of the above from the directory, omit from internal surveys.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:34:11 CST
From:         ADPOSEY@UMSVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: student directory information
              25 Jan 1993 09:01:00 EDT from <csvcas@ADMIN.AC.EDU>

1.  A.  Name, home & local address, published telephone listing, date of birth.
    B.  School or College, classification (fr, soph, etc.) dates of attendance,
awards, degrees & honors &dates graduated, the most recent previous institution
attended.
    C.  Participation in officially recognized activities, sports, fraternities
or sororities, educationasl societies, & vital statistics (height & weight) of
members of athletic teams.

2.  They are excluded from ALL lists (may be added to commence program on
request.

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        Columbus H. Posey
        Registrar
        University of Mississippi
        Lyceum 117
        University, Mississippi 38677
Voice       (601) 232-7226
Bitnet      ADPOSEY@UMSVM
Internet    ADPOSEY@VM.CC.OLEMISS>EDU
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:09:09 ET
From:         Susan Gray <SGRAY@MILLERSV.BITNET>
Subject:      Admissions System Software Package

I am requesting information concerning Admission System software.

Do you currently use or have knowledge of any 3rd party Admission
software package?

At Millersville University we are anticipating the replacement of
our Admission system (Undergraduate, Graduate, Continuing Ed). After
performing an extensive requirements analysis, we've identified the
following functionality needed for our new system:

     1)  Allow students to have one or more university applications
         for different session (semesters).  This is due to the
         complexity of programs offered and the classification
         categories of admission.

     2)  Allow students to have more than one admission at the same
         (during the same session).  A student may be in more than
         one distinct program of study.

     3)  Ability to access on-line a student's admission history.

     4)  Capture data that is required by our university.

     5)  Ability to tailor the system to future needs.

Also important are flexibility of use and good screen design.


Our environment is IBM 9121-260, running VSE 4.1.1 under VM/ESA 1.1,
and have IBM SQL/DS 2.2.0.  We program in CSP and COBOL.


Please respond to me directly if you have any information that might be
of interest.  Thanks in advance!

Susan Gray, Project Leader            Sgray@Millersv.Bitnet
Computing and Info. Technologies      Sgray@MU2.Millersv.Edu --Internet
Millersville University(717) 872-3341
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