HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: reading doc/problems (was Re: c-news compiling on SCO)
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
	<1992Aug10.210236.10438@jpradley.jpr.com>
	<sco-resolution-aug-11-92@plts.uucp>
	<1992Aug17.025955.16277@r-node.gts.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:46:35 GMT

Marc Fournier:
>Since the only way for me to read doc/problems was to transfer it to
>another machine (my own) because the one I was working on didn't have
>nroff/troff, i asked instead of posting.  Why problems is in troff/nroff
>format, I'll never know though :(

Basically so that doc/problems *can* be typeset (it is part of the
Guide), but it doesn't *have* to be formatted.  To quote doc/README:

    If you do not have nroff/troff, there are various ways of reading this
    stuff.  Note, in particular, that the Formatter Police are not going to
    come and drag you away for reading the raw sources, which are not very
    complicated or hard to read.  If you absolutely can't read anything
    that isn't filled and justified, the awf text formatter (comp.sources.unix:
        Submitted-by: henry@zoo.toronto.edu
        Posting-number: Volume 23, Issue 27
        Archive-name: awf
    on any comp.sources.unix archive site or ftp.cs.toronto.edu:pub/awf.shar.Z)
    does a good job on most of our documentation (although it doesn't do tbl).

    tmac.cn		freely-redistributable fake of enough of -ms for C News

In addition, groff, a reimplementation of pretty much the whole DWB suite
(nroff, troff, tbl, eqn, pic, refer, -ms, -mm, -man), is currently
available by ftp as prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/groff-1.05.tar.Z.  (A C++
compiler suitable for bootstrapping groff can be found in
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/gcc-2.2.2.tar.Z.)
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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:06:00 GMT

In <BtE2Ay.6Fu@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>(I have both the trn "XTHREAD" and tin "XINDEX"
>patches installed on my nntpd).

>Can these patches be fairly easily adapted to INN's nnrpd?  Or can I 
>maybe use my current nntpd as a replacement for INN's nnrpd until such
>a time as the newsreader provide support for nnrpd?
The xthread stuff is available by editing nnrpd/nnrpd.h to say
	#define DO_DO_XTHREADS
the default is DONT_DO_XTHREADS.  Hacking in xindex should be fairly
easy.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: large outbound bundles
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:06:55 GMT

here is my batchparms file:

# site		size	queue	builder	muncher	sender
# ----		----	-----	-------	-------	------
/default/	1000000  10	batcher	compcun	viauux
#
# nntp ihave/sendme connection
#
ka3ovk.wehave	40000	20	batchih nocomp  viainews 
ka3ovk.ihave	40000	20	batchsm	nocomp	viainews
ka3ovk.sendme	40000	20	batchra	nocomp	vianowhere
fang.wehave	40000	20	batchih nocomp  viainews 
fang.ihave	40000	20	batchsm	nocomp	viainews
fang.sendme	40000	20	batchra	nocomp	vianowhere
rde.wehave	40000	20	batchih nocomp  viainews 
rde.ihave	40000	20	batchsm	nocomp	viainews
rde.sendme	40000	20	batchra	nocomp	vianowhere

sendme requests from the above sites (rde, fang, etc..) are
received here on gator, and gator proceeds to bundle up
the articles requested -- at times the bundles are very large -
and run in the 3.4-5 megabyte range -- 

aren't the above limits applied to sendme requests that
are bundled up here on the gator?

we are running the performance release of cnews as of a month
ago -- under SVR4 4.0 on a 486/50 (soon to be a 486/66)...


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From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: c-news compiling on SCO
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 06:32:59 GMT

In <BsuC2p.451@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

:jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley) writes:

:>>It's a well-known fact that C News won't work on SCO Unix.  In fact,
:>>once you get past the above bug, you will find that it generates
:>>hu-YUUUGE database files.  This problem can't be programmed around as
:>>there is a kernel hack in SCO that makes dbz files not work unless they
:>>are larger than 102.4 meg big.  SCO refuses to fix this since they
:>>consider it a "feature".

:if the optimizer is disabled -- c-news will run fine on a SCO box

Or compile with gcc and optimize to your heart's content.

Bill
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Double filing due to cross-post to active file aliased groups in Cnews
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:10:40 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Aug11.165241.27274@devon.lns.pa.us> paul@devon.lns.pa.us (Paul Sutcliffe Jr.) writes:
>I sent this fix to Geoff seven or eight months ago, after he made some
>suggested changes to the first version I'd sent him.  I never heard
>from him WRT this version.
>
>I guess a working fix isn't "convenient."   1/2 smiley.

In general, if a simple fix gets sent but doesn't get put in, it's for
one of three reasons:

1. There is something wrong with it.

2. It's on the "to be looked at" pile -- we *don't* put fixes in without
	checking them over, because of possibility #1 -- and hasn't made
	it to the top yet.

3. The code in question is due for major revisions that will supersede
	the patch anyway, and we don't perceive it as urgent enough to
	justify a temporary fix.

In this case I think it was #3.
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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Double filing due to cross-post to active file aliased groups in Cnews
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:47:04 GMT
	<1992Aug11.165241.27274@devon.lns.pa.us>
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center

Paul Sutcliffe Jr.:
>I sent this fix to Geoff seven or eight months ago, after he made some
>suggested changes to the first version I'd sent him.  I never heard
>from him WRT this version.

Then I probably didn't get it.

>I guess a working fix isn't "convenient."   1/2 smiley.

It's more that the problem is minor and doesn't require a fix urgently,
and that a more general reworking of fileart.c is needed, which should fix
several other problems at the same time.
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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: reclaim discarded news?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: gator.BtB4rE.5xy
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) writes:

>Is it possible to reconstruct a togo file from the history file(s)?

A utility was posted a couple of days ago (week) to rebuild a
togo file --

maybe if you look back a couple of days in this newsgroup you
will find it -- if I had it here, I would mail it to you


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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: c-news compiling on SCO
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:59:55 GMT

In article <sco-resolution-aug-11-92@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>And God replied, "I sent a truck, a canoe, a boat, a helicopter, and
>the C News 'build' script even says:
>
>   ``Historically the only normal compilation option needed for most
>     programs is -O, but again compilers, especially newer ones, differ.
>     (NOTE:  many 386 compilers miscompile dbz if -O is used!)
>     What options should be given to the compiler [-O]?''
>
>yet you still compiled dbz with the -O option!!!  You DESERVED to drown!"
>
>The moral of this story is that when a build script puts a warning in
>front of your face, you might consider following its advice.  Also,
>reading doc/problems before you post to news.software.b is always a
>good idea.
>
	Okay, I get the idea :(  I'm sorry I even asked in the
first place (loved the story though *smile*)  As for the 
-O option...that one was easy to figure out, but I had thought
that that was what was supposed to fix the dbzmain problem.  Since
the only way for me to read doc/problems was to transfer it to 
another machine (my own) because the one I was working on didn't
have nroff/troff, i asked instead of posting.  Why problems is
in troff/nroff format, I'll never know though :(  Guide and
such make sense, but hey, its how the c-news.net.gods want it,
so who am I to question it, eh? :)

>---------- cut here ----------
>
>Is that better?
>
	Much...at least it was humorous :)

Humble apologies...

Marc (the originator of this overly simple, and stupid, question)
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From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 22 Aug 1992 20:02:35 +0200
Organization: INSA Informatique (Grasp), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

> The INN batcher isn't too bad either.  ;-)

For those enjoying the C-News "sendbatches", I'll publish (in this group,
at least the announcement) in a week or two a sendbatches for INN using
a configuration file similar to the original C-News sendbatches.

> On the down side, the inn daemon needs somewhat more memory than C News.
> (How much more is hard to say, as it depends on too many factors.)
> This may or may not mean that you need a memory upgrade.

Here is the current memory occupation on 2 systems I'm handling,
one Sun 3 and a RS/6000 box. Also given for comparison memory
occupation of other tools:

All "ps" sampled around Aug 22 19:00.

Sun 3 system (running a beta INN - did not update yet):

USER     PID %CPU %MEM   SZ  RSS TT STAT START  TIME COMMAND
root      71  0.0  0.0  216    0 ?  IW   Aug 18  1:32 in.named
root      84  0.0  0.0  328    0 ?  IW   Aug 18  0:10 sendmail (5.65c+IDA)
news     132  0.0  6.3 1536  968 ?  S    Aug 18 29:55 /usr/local/etc/innd -p4

From the rs6k (model 320, 16 Mb real memory), running INN 1.0:

     F S UID   PID  PPID   C PRI NI ADDR    SZ   WCHAN    TTY  TIME CMD
260801 S   0  2417  3172   0  60 20 16b7   128              - 30:02 routed
 40801 S 215  5729     1   0  60 20 1455   980              - 233:57 mthreads
 40801 S   0  6264     1   0  60 20  8e9   352  1f6490      -  0:27 sendmail
 60801 S   0  9606     1   0  60 20  605  1364              -  7:34 named
 60801 S 215 20940     1   0  60 20  dee  1596              -  4:36 innd

innd is up since about 30h, it should stabilize at around 2000-2500 pages,
most other processes have a 3 weeks uptime [yeah, my rs6k did not crash
since 3 weeks. Mthreads is the trn threader daemon.

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From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Date: 23 Aug 1992 13:33:48 +0200
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In news.software.b, article <BtE2Ay.6Fu@mtholyoke.edu>,
  jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
> I'd like to try INN, but one of the things about my current CNews/NNTP
> installation that's important to my site is the ability to serve thread
> data via NNTP to readers (I have both the trn "XTHREAD" and tin "XINDEX"
> patches installed on my nntpd).
> 
XTHREAD is already there. I don't know how difficult XINDEX would be.

However, r$ is trying to push for a uniform database. Right now we seem to
have three (trn, tin, nn), which is wasteful.

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From: andre@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Pathalias takes over computer --- News at 11:00
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:57:26 EDT
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

In article <3707@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca>, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.164932.6943@grc.genroco.com> don@grc.genroco.com (Don Woelz) writes:
> |>|In article <1992Aug10.145511.14286@grc.genroco.com>, don@grc.genroco.com (Don Woelz) writes:

...

> |>It would be more interesting to know which version of pathalias
> |>was being run.  The version of UUCP or news, or the number of users
> |>isn't likely to be relevant.
> 
> |As best as I can tell, the main.c program says it is version 9.1.
> 
> That is quite old.  Mine says 9.6.  The real version number can be
> obtained from the CHANGES file.  Pathalias 10 has a paragraph
> (mentioning decommissioning arpatxt, "file{}", "adjust{}" and
> "delete{}") followed by a line prefacing a paragraph on pathalias 9.
> 
> Pathalias 9 is known to go into infinite loops on certain map combinations.

Mine must be old, as it is complaining about the `file{}' lines.

Where can I get source code to `Pathalias 10'?
BTW, FTP may not help me.

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: c-news compiling on SCO
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:15:42 GMT

a3@rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef) writes:
: 
: So, the default is -O.  But if I give a RETURN, it will take the default.
: (Now think for a moment you're an inexperienced C-programmer.  Or worse.)
: What should I type?  What option should I give to the compiler?

The beginning of 'build' (for the 5/92 release, anyway), says 
"(If you want to give an empty string as the answer,  type a single -
instead.)"
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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: I am stupid (compiling C News under IRIX)
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
	<okk1ijo@zuni.esd.sgi.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:51:28 GMT

Dave Olson:
>I don't remember if Henry and Geoff claim that C News is ANSI compliant
>or not.

C News is being ansitised and posixiated, but the job isn't finished yet.
For now, C News should be compiled with a Classic C compiler if possible.
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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: mail2news patch for mailing to multiple newsgroups
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.160152.23976@becker.GTS.ORG> bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) writes:

>	That way when followups occur they go to the
>	list, rather than what often happens in a mail
>	reader, where the "From: " line ends up pointing
>	to the original submitter.

Alas, I was going to use this hack.  But it doesn't work well with C
News.  B News rewrites article headers into mail headers when
forwarding a posting to the moderator.  C News sends a subjectless
mail message, from the news account, which contains in its body the
news article body and headers.  This is not something you want to send
back to a mailing list.  The particular mailing list where I was going
to do this involved an application that bounced Subject-less messages,
and I doubt it's the only one.

This is not meant to be or start a discussion of which news behavior
is better.

	Cathy
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Installation problems with C-news performance release
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:25:32 GMT

Here's a nit I hit building the performance release on a SVR3 box:

I specified 'ustat' for the space-determining program.  But 'doit.bin -i'
went to sf.ustat, dowhatever.c, dostatfs.c (which failed miserably -
missing includes) and quit on the compile failure (dostatfs is used for
BSD systems).

When I renamed dostatfs.c and copied doustat.c to dostatfs.c and
ran doit.bin again, it built dostatfs then compiled doustat.c and
built doustat.  Then, after doit.bin was done, I rm'd dostatfs.

I didn't see any reference to this in the known.problems file.

Also, is the question about 'do you have a <stddef.h>' question new ?
I don't have one, but even taking the default answers from a previous
build, it defaulted to 'yes'.  Silly me, I didn't check this one because
I assumed it was taking the old answer.  Rerunning build, answering 'no'
to this question, solved the problem.
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From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com
Subject: Re: mail2news patch for mailing to multiple newsgroups
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.151106.4662@fwi.uva.nl>,
casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:

>SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher) writes:
>
>>A more comprehensive solution would involve looking up the message ID
>>in a history table, etc., etc., but we wanted to implement a quick fix
>>to the problem of lost messages.  I aw fully aware that this results
>>in multiple copies of articles with differing message ID's, but that's
>>preferable to not having the article show up at all.
>
>I don't agree with this at all. Lost message aren't as big a nuisance
>as duplicate messages.

Must be the archetypal matter of taste.  But there is the prime Internet
mail directive to consider:  "First, lose no messages" - or however you
want to phrase it.  No?

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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Announcing the release of InterNetNews
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:55:28 GMT

In <1992Aug21.214719.17291@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

| Rich, does INN include some dummy interfaces to look like relaynews,

INN has a relaynews (not complete, but supposed to be sufficient).

| I presume it has an rnews program

It has rnews too.

kre
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: I am stupid (compiling C News under IRIX)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 04:30:29 GMT

In <1992Aug12.182716.13412@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:
| First, I should say I've been running C News systems for a few years
| now, so I'm not exactly new to C News.
| 
| However, I'm trying to compile it under IRIX (4.0.5/4.0.1) for the
| first time, and am having problems with the libcnews.a that it builds.
| This is during doit.bin.  When it gets to compiling batcher.c, ld
| claims the hefree() can't be found.  I pull out hdbm.o from libcnews.a
| and nm (-B for berkeley style output) says the following about
| hefree():
| 
| 00000000 U hefree
| 00000370 t hefree

More than likely it is defined as static, but referenced before
the definition.  In this case, you need a forward declaration of
it for ANSI C, which is what you are using; compiling with -cckr
avoids this problem; I don't remember if Henry and Geoff claim that
C News is ANSI compliant or not.

|         cc -O -D__STDC__ -I../include   expire.o   ../libcnews.a  -o expire
| /usr/bin/ld:
| Undefined:
| timeconv
| daylcorr
| lookup
| hefree
| 
| Which all seem to be in libcnews.a.
| 
| I told it I have `usg' libraries, I gave it the -D__STDC__ flag, I have
| no ranlib and it is doing the sym table build.  The most suspicious
| thing I have is when it rebuilds the sym table for libcnews.a it spews
| out the following:

Theoretically, if you want ANSI C, you should just use -ansi, instead
of defining __STDC__ yourself with -xansi -D__STDC__ (-xansi is the
default); there are some cases where what you have done allows code
that uses __STDC__ to determine if prototypes are supported to compile,
but in the strictest sense, it is 'wrong'.

| s - creating symbol hash table. Wait...
| ar: Warning:ignoring second definition of str3save defined in archive
| s - done

Definitely not good.  sounds like maybe some files were compiled one
way, and some another, so you got both versions from 2 different
files?

I seem to remember Henry saying it isn't a good idea to change configurations
or significant compilation flags without rebuilding everything.
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