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From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:40:29 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
: >
: >Such a pity....your momma never taught you know when to keep your mouth shut.
: >For that matter, neither did she learn to keep her legs closed.
: >
: >
: >Samit
: >
: 
: Thanks Samit for letting everybody know what type of character
: you are. Good on u. 
: 
: Cheers,
: 
: V R Kumar

Kumar saaar aval, did you now understand why I said, "India is not
fit to be a single country"? How can you expect it to be a single
country when such characters are around??? In addition to our
poloticians, characters of this type are also responsible for some
people thinking in terms of disassociating with India.
: 
: 
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--NS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:10:39 GMT

In article <Bx7L7A.JBE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> aksood@zeno20.math.UWaterloo.ca (Anoop Sood) writes:
>In article <Bx7F4p.8A4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet Singh)
>> 
>> Thanks for agreeeing with me.  The Killing i think will go on until the 
>> government takes the first step in talking with the so called 'terrorists'.
>> Can ui imagine what Rajiv gandu said during the riots 'WHEN A BIG TREE
>> FALLS OBVIOULSY THERE IS GOING TO BE NOISE!'.  The big tree was Indira Gandu
>> and the noise was just the killing of 10,000 Sikhs.
>> 
>> Harpreet SINGH!
>> 
>No, the killing will go on only until people like you keep on terrorizing 
>people.  One should never talk to terrorists, just kill them.  It seems to 
>me that the biggest GANDU of them all is you.  Show some respect for the 
>leaders who are dead.  Indira Gandhi was a great leader. and it real guts 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, really ? Want me to compile and post/mail to you a list of
the "achievements" of your "great leader" ?

>to go to the Golden Temple and flush out those terrorists.  I can only hope 
							     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>we have more leaders like her, who have some real guts.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

I can only hope that your hope does not come true!

>JAI HIND,
>
>Anoop Sood.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: UN map sans Kashmir   (GOI permitted Amnesty International)
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:17:03 GMT

In article v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili) writes:
>Dear Mr. Raj Bhatnagar,
>
>It seems as though simple decency and maturity is lost on you. I made no claims
>  (other stuff deleted ) ...

Friends!
I think Sareer missed this news like many others.  Indian 
Government DID STOP International Human rights agency from going into KASHMIR.
During Rajiv Gandhi's time RAJIV personally was against Amnesty's entry  
into Kashmir owing to his own fears.  (Before 1989)

But later, Government  of India, (under Chandra Shekhar) said that AMNESTY 
INTERNATIONAL is permitted to go. And had added that INDIAN GOVERNMENT WILL 
NOT PROVIDE ANY  SECURITY TO THESE GROUPS. There was a furore over this by
the Amnesty International and other groups over Indian Government not 
providing a security cover. But Indian Govt. stuck to its stand saying 
IT HAS FORE WARNED THAT THESE AREAS ARE TERRORIST INFESTED. 
"Beware of Pak aided terrosists gangs. Enter at your own risk."

Obviously Amnesty International did not RISK a visit to Kashmir.

(This was before Jan'92. I donot exactly remember it, but I think it was during 
 CHANDRA SHEKHAR's governance. I can defenitely say this was AFTER Jan'90 
 and BEFORE Jan'92. )

-Indu.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian Tits
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:19:45 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
: >
: Perhaps when he attended neo-Nazi training camp he didn't take his "Soap on a
: Rope."
: 
: Ed

Though I have seen this name(Ed) around for quite some time, I
didn't give a shit to it as I never cared to take him/her into
consideration. But, now time has come for me to know about this
species:--) Can some one please enlighten me as to who this
character is and what is he/she doing on SCI????

Thanks in advance.

ns
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath)
Subject: RE: Rename Hyderabad and Murshidabad
Reply-To: porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:36:36 GMT

In article <74446@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL)
writes:
> 
>    In his article Raj Bhatnagar writes:
> 
> 
> >>       See what I mean?  Why?  What is wrong with Islam as a system?  
> 
> >        Nothing. But a big majority of Indians would prefer the current
> >        Indian constitution instead.
> 
>      That is fine with me.  Living in a non-muslim country Muslisms must
>      learn to accept that they will not be able to establish their 
>      "way of life" in its entirity.  But the issue was that you originally
>      stated in your article that Indian Muslisms, " who are seeking 
>      a political identity grounded in Islam and Quran should abandon such
>      a goal and accept indian political identity, grounded in common shared 
>      Indian history and heritage."  Preference is fine but it seems that 
>      you want to rule out the question of an "Islamic India" from the 
>      very beginning.  Of course I am not advocating that Muslims in India
>      pick up guns and establish the rule of Islam therein, but I am saying
>      they sould have every right to propogate (peacefully) their ideals of
````````
>         government  and society at all levels.  You can't deny me the right
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 to 
>      think, the right to speak or the right to propose an alternative system
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>      of life in a democaracy.  That comes with the territory.  Of course, as
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
>      long as a majority of Indians don't want an Islamic government, it is
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**********^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>      not going to come about! 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      
> 
> >>       Of course, I am not suggesting that every one in India should become
> >>       a Muslim, or that Indian Muslims should start an armed revolt against
`
> >>       the Indian government, but Indian Muslims have just as much a right
to 
> >>       promote their ideals as you do.  
> 
> 

What I undestand from your statements from above is that if a majority of 
indians wanted an islamic government,   India should have an islamic government
and that in a democracy the majority has the right to change the form of 
government and constitution of a nation. After all democracy means rule of the
majority and is one of the reasons why pakistan was created.
  Anyhow coming back to your reasoning, if the hindu parties in india (BJP RSS)
win elections by a landslide majority they have the majority of the indians
supporting their view point and hence according to your reasoning they should
be able to ammend the constitution and declare India a hindu state.Does that
sound reasonable to you? It sure does not to me.



__RAJIV PORAYATH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: ......  You are an Indian (Re: "Southie or Northie?" ........
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution:  world
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:51:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.013441.1455@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <Nov08.221323.49533@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kannan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kannan Subramanian) writes:
>> 
>> Am I a Southie or a Northie? The roots of this problem run deep. The long and 
>
>You are an Indian. Why do you have to think in terms of northie or southie ?
>Save yourself some trouble and lots of confusion. Think yourself as an Indian. 


A person who lived in tamil naaDu all his life : can say,

		Asian,	South Asian,	Indian, 	Tamilian.

by ur argument Kannan can only say,

		Asian,	South Asian,	Indian


From a more matured view also, the former has a greater effect, implying a greater
sense of individualism.  That is why, not just kannan, but everyone including
me, look for the more refined individuality that makes one feel better.

In short, how many of us would like to live in a society where everyone wears
mao suits or jeans only ?  individuality, that's what everyothing boils down to.
Your advice, if said with an older-guy-is-comforting-U attitude, it perfectly okay.
But otherwise does not make sense...  Why no sense : because by the same argument one can
remove the `indian-ness' remove `south-asianness' remove `asian-ness',  & move around
with people so that one's friendship circle has a wider `spectrum'.

By that argument, stop posting only to sci.  learn about other
cultures and start posting on other groups too..  This is not a criticism aimed
at U, but a `possible-interpretation' of Ur statement.


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

individuality that does not cause friction, that's what everyone should aim at.
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Dokus Idioticus and grammar
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:03:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: aludra.1dss4cINNb3
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


The FAFDA fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)

>you are the victicm  or you laugh...that is the way it is here
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>doode...... as i told you before life sucks.
>suresh
>	They never taught you Grammar, did they? :) If you would just read
>	less of that Bible (which anyway would'nt teach you grammar)...

does that mean that there are no other errors in the remaining part of
my post (like in 'doode') or you can't decipher one?

	They really did'nt teach you. "Doode" is a spelling flame, you
	nincompoop. And the fact that it's slang gives a carte blanche (go
	get your French-English-Marathi and spend an hour flipping through
	it :) for changing it any which way. Seems you're a dud, DOOODE :)

suresh
	FFT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@sml12.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Indian Tits
Organization: Project Pilgrim, Umass
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:45:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.194720.2206@cs.brown.edu>, ST402804@brownvm.brown.edu (S.L.) writes:
|> 
|> >If you'd see all the women of some racial origin with their tits very
|> >high up in different countries you'd start imagining, too.
|> 
|> >There are all kinds of variations in the human body throughout the
|> >world, so I thought "why not?".
|> 
|>   Always good to get the matter off your chest.
     				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	errrrr.......don't you mean "off your breast(s)" ? ;-) 


|> 
|>                                             --S.L.
|> 
|> 

					Rajat.
From: dhruba@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Dhruba J. Chatterjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: If Khalistan comes......
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:08:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu


It was so good to see that there was this article, which I believe, was the 
first one to seriously discuss the possibility of a Khalistan coming up. It 
was really good to find that at least one of us has realized that what happened
to either the Hindus or the Sikhs or Indira/Rajiv Gandhi, riots etc, etc.. will
become unimportant when the question of Khalistan really comes into reckoning 
(if ever!). 
Till now, we have had a lot of discussion on the Khalistan issue w.r.t riots,
wierd challenges by some "Canadian" sikhs threatening the Hindus etc.. 
From now on, lets get practical and seriously debate on the possibility of 
Khalistan w.r.t its surviving as an independent country and even feasibility
of an independent state run by residents in Canada to whom (at least it seems
form postings) terrorism is the only form of power, for getting independence as
well as running a country!!

DJ.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: Ayurveda
Reply-To: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:43:06 GMT

kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar) writes:

)Atleast I am not aware of any discussions or any mailing lists.
)
)but would be interested in it.

Ayurveda (& other alternative therapies) have figured on and off on sci.med but 
have recd bad reviews (as quackery) from "strong" believers of Western 
medicine. Which is the main reason for the misc.health.alternative proposal 
which has reached the end of the month-long discussion period.

Keep tuned to news.announce.newgroups if you are interested
in such discussions. The CFV (Call For Votes) should be out within a
week.

)Aniruddha Kortikar (kortikar@mipos2.intel.com)

Sridhar.
--
Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,rec.music.indian.misc,rec.music.indian.classical,osu.indian,osu.music
From: chhabra@artichoke.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tall Cool One)
Subject: PANKAJ UDHAS **** LIVE **** COLUMBUS OHIO
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:31:02 GMT

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From: subhas@il.cs.wm.edu (Subhas Roy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Passport misery - suggestions ?
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:00:04 GMT
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693

>   I have had a rather bad experience with the Indian Embassy concerning a
>   passport renewal and would like some advice. 

Ravi,
I understand what you are going through. My experience
won't help you because it happened in India several years
ago. But I can't help telling my ordeal.
	I was working in Delhi after graduating fresh from
J.U., Calcutta. I filed my application for my passport in Delhi 
with great care. Then started the long saga of my misery. I got
my passport finally eleven months later. But I had to pay at least twenty
visits to the Delhi passport office. Each visit involved standing in 
the queues for hours, fruitless inquiry with the arrogant and goofy
officials. They made four police inquiries in three different places
two of which were necessary. I had to supply them a total of 15
photos and some extra forms in different phases. Talk about bitter
experience! But I needed the passport. So I kept dogged effort. My
coming to USA got delayed by a year.

I, a clean fresh engineering graduate with no police record, with
birth in the majority community(not Sikh) had so much trouble to
get the passport which is my right, not privilege. Man, this experience
has left me permanently bitter about Indian efficiency and beaurocracy.

Subhas

subhas@cs.wm.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RE: KHALISTAN
From: s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra)
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:56:48 +1000

Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:21:11 GMT

Could any of you (Pro-Khalistan) people give me a solid reason of wanting
Khalistan. What do you people expect to do with the Hindus from Punjab ?
Throw them out ? What will happen to all the sikhs in India that do not 
live in Punjab ? I am quit sure that many, if not all? (sikhs) have 
relatives in India outside Punjab! Are they ready to leave everything and 
move to Khalistan ??

AND NOBODY has yet given me a number of how many sikhs REALLY want a 
Khalistan ?  (I wonder why?) 

Everybody I know from Punjab, say that they are as much afraid of the 
"Kharkhus" (Sikh militants)  disregarded of if they are Hindus or Sikhs.
And also, is it not true that the Police in Punjab is exploiting the
situation? (Punjab police also has sikhs as members in their force).
I tend to believe that the govt. has a hand in the game, and that is 
combining dirty politics with religion to favour them selves. But the 
solution is not Khalistan! Even sikhs do not stand united in this matter.
There are several sikh organisations ready to take power and fighting 
each other! Who will win ??


Once agin: DISUNITED WE STAND ?


Peace! 
__________________________________________________________________________
                Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
                      University of Bergen, NORWAY
                      E-Mail  s312@brems.ii.uib.no         
__________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: Nothing in particular #1
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:32:38 GMT

Hi !
	I took up gardening as a hobby and all I grew was tired.

J Anand.

-- 
Youth had been a habit of hers so long that she could not part with it.
From: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:33:01 GMT
Reply-To: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk (GS Samra)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <1992Nov9.165752.7832@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>Can any Sikh guarantee that innocent bystanders (Hindus and Sikhs) will
>no longer be bombed or sprayed with bullets ? If you cannot guarantee
>Indians their basic right to life then what right do you have to stop
>us from achieving our goal of a unified India.  

Is it not the Governments duty to protect life and property?. Are you
shifting this responsibility to the Sikhs in general?.
Sikhs will guarantee to protect life an property in Khalistan. It is 
because of the Indian Governments failure (among other things) to protect
the life and property of Sikhs in India that the fight for
Khalistan is still going on.

>
>FYI - the senseless killings of innocent people in Punjab started way 
>before (infact years before) operation bluestar was even conceived. 

It started with six bus passengers (Hindus) killed in 1982. The families of
the six were each given 20,000 Rupees by the Akali Dal and Sant Jarnail Singh 
Bhindrewale at the Golden Temple. At the same time the Sikh political parties
demanded an independent inquiry into the killings. Although this was
carried out but it was never published. (It is rumored that the  police were
implicated in the murders). The point I'm trying to make is that just
because the victims happen to be Hindus, don't take it for granted that they
are being killed by the Sikhs. 

>While I do not condone the 84 masssacre, you can be sure that another 
>such senseless rampage is wholly possible if the terrorists continue
>to go on killing innocents. 
>

The possibility that  another '1984' might occur  is one of the reasons 
for the Sikhs to demand  Khalistan.

>As per present reports, terrorism in punjab is showing a slight decline
>and god willing it will continue to do so. Then people like you can 
>scream themselves as hoarse as you wish while the rest live in peace.
>

It would be much better if the Indian Government thought of the 
'Punjab problem' as a 'political' rather than of 'Law and Order' problem.

G.S.Samra
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36130 soc.culture.tamil:3343
From: damania@src.honeywell.com (Bhavesh Damania)
Subject: Price of gold in India and the Custom Duty for taking gold to India
Organization: Honeywell Systems and Research Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:11:58 GMT


Does anybody know the current price of gold in India and the custom duty which is 
imposed on NRIs taking gold back to India. Do you also have to pay the duty if you
plan to make ornaments in India and bring it back with you.

TIA

-- 
Bhavesh Damania                          Phone: (612) 951-7324
Honeywell Systems and Research Center    Fax:   (612) 951-7438
3660 Technology Drive, MN 65-2100        Internet: damania@src.honeywell.com
Minneapolis, MN 55418.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36754 soc.culture.indian.telugu:988
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Dokus Idioticus and grammar
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:55:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

The FAFDA fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

>does that mean that there are no other errors in the remaining part of
>my post (like in 'doode') or you can't decipher one?
>
>	They really did'nt teach you. "Doode" is a spelling flame, you
>	nincompoop. And the fact that it's slang gives a carte blanche (go
>	get your French-English-Marathi and spend an hour flipping through
>	it :) for changing it any which way. Seems you're a dud, DOOODE :)

once again you showed that you are bereft of logic. i never mentioned
that doode is a grammar flame.....what you have perceived out of it is
immaterial to me......also considering that this is SCI gives a carte
blanche (barrons is enuff). 


suresh
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Data source for Canadian universities
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:38:21 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	  Good data source for universities in Canada

  See the Nov 9 issue of Maclean's. It gives a lot of useful information
about universities in Canada. It even includes general rankings, though
not for individual departments.
  There are also a few articles on individual universities, including the
now notorious Concordia University (Remember Debchat and Fabrikant?)
Interestingly, the correspondent has concluded that many of the complaints
against the two Indian profs on the "hit list" were justified.