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From: HUNTRESS@npt.nusc.navy.mil (HUNTRESS GARY B)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Broken Submarine Shaft
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:35:54 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department


From "HUNTRESS GARY B" <HUNTRESS@npt.nusc.navy.mil>

>From lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)

In article <Bsw16n.vJ@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu
(Jesse William Leo Stuart) writes:
>    My Dad served aboard the USS Snook (Skipjack class SSN).  He told me
>that the fastest the sub went was 30 knots on trials, but they never took it
>over 24 knots after that.  The problem is that the propeller shaft would 
>twist up to 1.5 times ahead of the screw rotation.  In other words, the 
>propeller was turning up to 1.5 revolutions *later* than the shaft.  Sailing
>at 25+ knots could "wring" the propeller right off the shaft the same way
>a farmer wrings a chickens neck!  He also told me that another submarine,
>whos name I've forgotten, actually did wring the propeller, and had to be
>tugged back to harbor.  This is only a problem with nuclear boats I would

That was probably the Tullabee.  I understand that the shaft broke and
nearly popped right out of the engine room.  
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From:     "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>
Subject:  Re: TNT equivalent of Semtex
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:19:44 GMT


From     "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>




From     "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>


Bill Lee writes:
#Check your local university library.  I believe that "Semtex" is the
#(nasty evil) explosives "They" make; and that it is the same as
#"Hexogen" (The commercial "nice" explosive "We" make.)

Actually hexogen is a synonym for Cyclonite or RDX. In pure form it
is unsuitable as an explosive because it is far too sensitive and it
is in flake form. For military use it has additional ingredients:

1. Comp A3 is 91 % RDX and 9 % wax or polyethylene. The resultant material
is produced in granular form and then pressed into munitions, producing
a rigid non-plastic mass.

2. Comp C4 is a plastic explosive comprised of 91 % RDX and 9 % nonexplosive
plasticizer. Semtex may be similar but may have more energetic material.
It may even use HMX/Octogen.

3. Some data


                   det. velocity                heat of explosion

TNT                  6900 m/s                      4310 kJ/kg

pure RDX             8700 m/s                      5141 kJ/kg

pure HMX             9100 m/s                      5116 kJ/kg

Comp C4              8040 m/s                      ain't got :)


The power of C4 as measured by ballistic mortar test is 130 % of TNT.



Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
"It demoralized them. Not to mention killed them."
     --- 3rd AD officer describing effects of DPICM in ODS

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From: quest!curt (Curtis Gibson)
Subject: Radar Decoys
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:36:07 GMT


From quest!curt (Curtis Gibson)


From quest!curt (Curtis Gibson)


Would anyone care to comment on what will "fool" a radar?  Will
papermache covered with aluminum foil pass as a real truck or plane?
If not, what kind of reflective surface would be needed? ( I am
assuming the size and shape of the decoy are exactly the same 
as the real thing.)  Thanks.

Curtis S. Gibson    curt%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu

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From: military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
Newsgroups: sci.military,soc.history
Subject: 50 Years Ago: Tuesday, 18 August, 1942
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:35:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.history
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Tuesday, 18 August, 1942

A strong Japanese force lands at Basabua, New Guinea.

Hitler issues a special directive granting SS Special Units more power to
act against partisans on the Eastern Front.

General Sir Harold Alexander officially steps in as Commander in Chief in
the Middle East.

Unofficial sources in England suggest that the American B-17 and B-24
bombers are unsuitable for use over Europe, lacking the armament, speed,
and range needed to survive missions deep into the continent.

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"America already has assembled her great resources to enable her to take
the offensive.  With what she already has, America has challenged and has
shown that the Japanese are not supermen and that, man to man, they are not
the equal to the United States Marines." - William M. Hughes, member of the
Australian War Council
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From: jwc@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (James W. Chandler)
Subject: Re: why velcrow insignia
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:39:25 GMT


From jwc@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (James W. Chandler)


From jwc@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (James W. Chandler)

In article <BsKCCs.DMo@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson) writes:
> 
> From christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson)
> 
> In article <1992Jul30.125156.18302@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>
>       carssdf!watson@rutgers.edu (- Self Empl. Sys.Integrator) writes:
> >
> >Why do air force flying uniforms seem to have all insignia 
> >attached by velcrow?   Is this a laundry consideration?
> >
> >John Watson
> >
> I was at an airshow near Kingston NY a while back.  I was standing
> next to a USN S-3 pilot, when a good-looking woman complimented
> him on the patch on his shoulder.  He immediately pulled it off
> and presented it to her.  One reason?
> 
A good reason but not the real one.  Patches are on velcro so that during a
conflict they can be removed.  If you look at footage from the Gulf War,
you will see that the pilots flight suits are 'sanitized'.  This is so that
if the aircrew member were to find himself somewhere where he does not want
to be (ie.  on the ground on the wrong side to the line), and captured then
the captures would not immediately know what unit he was from and what he
flew.

-- 
Jim Chandler, KD6IRV
chandler@beagle.uucp
chandler@netcom.com
jwc@sactoh0.sac.ca.us


Newsgroups: sci.military
From: asp+@pitt.edu (Anandeep Pannu)
Subject: Good books on Jet age air combat
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:30:18 GMT


From asp+@pitt.edu (Anandeep Pannu)




From asp+@pitt.edu (Anandeep Pannu)


I am looking for some good books on air combat in the jet age preferably 
post Korean War. I am collecting them while I am in the US because good
books like these are hard to come by back home in India. 

I already have "Scream of Eagles : the story of Top Gun"
and "Fighter Combat by Robert Shaw".

I would like similar books either on Air Force operations like the Israeli
Air Force, Vietnamese Air Force, Falkland operations of the RAF and other
descriptions. Similarly US Air Force operations like Vietnam, Panama and the
Gulf War would be appreciated. I would like well researched books on 
campaigns, or institution likes Top Gun (or Red Flag etc.) rather than 
personal experiences (unless they are exceptional).  Please guys only
the best books because I live on a students budget. 

Thanks in advance. I will post a summary if there is interest. You can 
either e-mail or post.

Anandeep


Newsgroups: sci.military
From: th2_oate@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Tom Oates)
Subject: Re: How to spike a gun?
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:56:48 GMT


From th2_oate@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Tom Oates)

In article <BsKCnp.E2s@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> dgfritz@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Doug Fritz) writes:
>
>From dgfritz@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Doug Fritz)
>
>Spiking a gun such as a cannon or artillery piece disables the
>gun, but how does a foot soldier spike a gun?

* Pull the pin from a thermite grenade and quickly insert it into the 
breech of an artillery piece. Close the breech and the molten steel
produced will weld the breech shut.

* Fill the fuze pocket of an artillery shell with plastic explosive.
Insert a pencil detonator and initiate it. Load the artillery piece
with the shell. Leave one spiked shell among those in the ammunition 
store. Leave the area before detonation.

Both of the previous methods are quick to perform in a hurry. If you have
more time and no explosives:-

* Remove firing pin from the artillery piece. Mix several buckets of
concrete. With the breech closed, pour the concrete down the muzzle.
Use a pole to ram the concrete down tightly towards the breech. 
Allow to set.

Small Arms:-

* Remove internal 'organs' from the weapons ie. firing pins or rifle bolts 
etc. Take these items miles from the scene and dispose of in the sea,
a river, a deep hole. 

* Drop a white hot plug of steel down the barrel and allow to cool.

* Use an oxy-acetylene cutter to distort/weld parts.

Ammunition:-

* Use demolition charges/thermite.

* Alternatively open the crates/boxes of ammunition and douse with oil.
Any kind will do ie. motor-oil. This will 'kill' the primers unless they
have been sealed with lacquer.

* Take in ammunition which has already been spiked and 'seed' the
ammunition with it. To spike ammunition, use a bullet puller to
disassemble the bullet from the cartridge. Remove propellant. Ram a 
small amount of plastic explosive down onto the primer. Add enough
propellant so that the spiked bullet weighs the same as a normal
bullet. When the bullet is chambered and fired, it will cause the
gun to explode.

-- 
*************************************************************************
*  Tom Oates  (Bristol Poly, England)    *   DISCLAIMER:-               *
*  JANET: th2_oate@csd.brispoly.ac.uk    *   I speak only for myself.   *
*************************************************************************

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From: Herschel H Mayo <hhm@ihlpe.att.com>
Subject: Re: Why execute spies?
Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:19:37 GMT


From Herschel H Mayo <hhm@ihlpe.att.com>




From Herschel H Mayo <hhm@ihlpe.att.com>

In article <1992Jul28.130806.25554@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, mat@uunet.uu.net!mole-end writes:
> 

> > To see how hard the US worked to overcome that, you'd have had to see
> > Frank Capra's magnificent (propaganda!) film series "Why We Fight". I
> > understand here in the States the films were immediately archived after the
> > war, or destroyed; Capra presented a withering view of the Germans, Italians,
> > and Japanese. ...
>  
> > [Further digression: Capra didn't shoot much of the footage. He simply wove
> > together propaganda films from the three nations and added a voice-over. Very
> > stunning, and quite motivating.]
> 
> 
> I've never seen them; I'd like to.  Recently, some of the prettier WWII
> Nazi films have made it onto VHS (including *Triumph of Will*); perhaps
> the DoD can be persuaded that Capra's films are historical material,
> especially now when defense dollars are about to shrink :-)


The "Why We Fight" series has been out on video tape for years. THe last
time I saw it was in the bargain video shelf at K Mart.  Capra saw 
Triumph of th Will, and was devastated by it.  He recognized that it
was a work of genius, and knew that even he was unable to make a
better one. That is when he hit on the idea of using the Axis 
propaganda films against their own creators.  The rest is history.




                                       Larry Mayo

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: billb@owlnet.rice.edu (William Stenson Blackwell)
Subject: Re: Breaking in green submariners
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:35:20 GMT


From billb@owlnet.rice.edu (William Stenson Blackwell)

In article <Bt8GGI.DrD@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, manuelp@ecf.toronto.edu (MANUELPILLAI Gerald Nishanthan) writes:

|> even top this story ? 

I'll let the net decide the issue (maybe go 2 out of three, or 30 out of 59
if you've got enought stories ;-).  When I was on a sub, we got a newbie
(an ET) that had just gotten off of the Big E (Enterprise).  He ingratiated
himself to the crew by asking multiple people where the NavET shack was.
Needless to say, he was smirkingly (?) directed to the bridge, where the
Duty Chief happened to be the Nav SCPO.  This poor guy asked the chief his
*innocent* question, and the chief laughed, and pointed.  This poor boy, 
clueless as can be, turned around bewildered, looking for the profferred sign.
After about a minute of hysterical laughter by the bridge crew on duty, someone
told him the joke.  The "NavET shack" he was looking for is a lighted glass
table on subs.

Anyway, we later went out, and had the commodore of the squadron on board.
The LPO of the Torp division decided to send this poor guy around with
an authorization to use "Water Slugs".  The poor guy (and even the middies
aboard were laughing at him [me]) was sent to the AWEPS, WEPS, XO, and
finally the Captain.  The Captain then sent him back down to the LPO chief
with a message that he couldn't sign it without the replacement cost being
on the authorization.  So, this guy started his trek again.  The LPO put that
each "slug" would cost $4000.  Finally, when he got to the Captain again, the 
XO and Captain were conversing.  The Captain was about to sign it, but the XO 
piped up, that the "cost" was over their allotted training funds, so
it had to go through squadron.  Well, lucky for this guy, the Commodore was
aboard.  This intrepid ET1 wassent in to gain the Comm. signature.  The
Comm. was kind enough to clue the guy in, laughing the whole while.  Imagine
being brand new to a ship and being sent to the Commodore with a practical 
joke!

-- 
Bill Blackwell             P H P <==me!   "A just request is to be met
billb@owlnet.rice.edu     F L L F       in silence, by the act."
Houston, Texas, USA          8       -Dante Alighieri "Inferno" XXIV ln.77-78
"My opinions are mine, no one else is that stupid"

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From: portal!cup.portal.com!Arthur_T_Hu@pyramid.pyramid.com.UUX
Subject: B-1 operational in conventional role
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:39:40 GMT


From portal!cup.portal.com!Arthur_T_Hu@pyramid.pyramid.com.UUX


From portal!cup.portal.com!Arthur_T_Hu@pyramid.pyramid.com.UUX

The july 27 Aviation Week has an excellent series on how the B-1B is now
up and running in the conventional role for dropping iron bombs. Says it's
very much like an F-15E or F-111 in performance, and has no problem 
outrunning fighters at low level. Since weapons are stored internally,
many radars can't even see it, where escorting F-15E's will tip off
radars because of their external stores. There isn't any money yet to
upgrade B-1B to F-15E avionics standard with LANTIRN, laser designators,
Global positioning (gee, I can get one at Fry's for $1500), secure
radios compatible with F-15E etc. Too bad it's still basically a really
stealthy way to deliver carpet bombs, but still NFG at laser precision
bombing.

Sen. Nunn says the Navy should retire its A-6 and F-18 bombers since the
re isn't anything carrier based bombers can do that the B-2 can't
(say what???) 

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
Subject: 50 Years Ago: Monday, 3 August, 1942
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:01 GMT


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)




From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Monday, 3 August, 1942

Churchill arrives in Cairo with General Brooke.  The Prime Minister is
displeased with Auchinleck's performance, and is considering a change in
command.

The German Army captures Voroshilovsk and Kotelnikovo.  The Soviet attack
at Rzhev continues.

A lone German bomber attacks Iceland.

Moscow radio air a broadcast in German, claiming that the United Nations
have agreed to open a second front in 1942, employing 15 million men,
85,000 tanks, and 50,000 airplanes against the Axis.

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"Now is not the time to wait.  Not only from the air must you scourge
Hitlerite Germany.  Let your tanks, artillery and infantry charge the
enemy in the wake of your planes." - Moscow radio
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: rogersh (Huw Rogers) <rogersh@p2b>
Subject: Re: AF News Svc 07/27/92
Organization: Murder Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:43:49 GMT


From rogersh (Huw Rogers) <rogersh@p2b>




From rogersh (Huw Rogers) <rogersh@p2b>


In article <1992Jul30.125228.18501@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:
>
>From Codesmiths <dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk>
>>      Four airlines, Southern Air Transport, Evergreen International, Express
>> One International and Kitty Hawk Air Cargo, are the airlines comprising the
>> Logair system.
>
>Are these airlines purely commercial, or do they have any overt/covert links
>with the US government & its various branches.
>
>I know SAT certainly has - what about the others ?

Oh yeah - SAT the new name for Air America which in turn was once
called the Flying Tigers... ;-)

This may be an interesting slip up - I wonder whether they are all
CIA airlines?

	-Huw

[ H.J.Rogers  INTERNET: rogersh%p4@cs.man.ac.uk                    ]
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From: barroux@licancabur.Corp.Sun.COM (Juan Carlos Barroux - CS Eng. - Latin America)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:29:31 GMT


From barroux@licancabur.Corp.Sun.COM (Juan Carlos Barroux - CS Eng. - Latin America)




From barroux@licancabur.Corp.Sun.COM (Juan Carlos Barroux - CS Eng. - Latin America)

>From henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
>
>>From arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
>>Question:what are the advantages to using depleted uranium in ammunition? 
>
>It is extremely dense, much denser than lead.  That's the big one.  An
>important secondary issue in some applications is that finely-divided
>uranium is pyrophoric, igniting on contact with air, which gives a
>useful incendiary effect after penetration.

 Aren't those uranium oxides somewhat chemically toxic?

 What about chemical contamination of ground waters?

 Any hard data on the uranium chemical contamination in Kuwait?

 Speaking for himself,

 Juan Carlos

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From: Dan <BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: vision for helicopter pilots?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:40:23 GMT


From Dan <BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu>

Can anyone out there tell me the vision requirements for helicopter pilots
in each of the services?  I understand that it is not necessary to have
20/20 to fly choppers?

                                  Thanks,

                                    Dan
                                    bxp5@psuvm.psu.edu

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
Subject: 50 Years Ago: Sunday, 9 August, 1942
Followup-To: soc.history
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:31:20 GMT


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Sunday, 9 August, 1942

The Allied fleet off Guadalcanal is hastily withdrawn, taking with it 2000
Marines who had not yet landed and half the supplies intended for the
island.  On Guadalcanal work quickly begins to complete Henderson Field.

Germany's Army Group A captures the Maikop oilfields and Krasnodar.

The British government in India orders the arrest of Gandhi, Nehru, and
all members of the Indian Congress Working Committee.  Riots break out in
Bombay and several other cities, and troops are sent to restore order;
721 people are killed and over 1200 are injured.

The Australian General Sydney F. Rowell assumes command of Allied forces on
New Guinea.

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"Every man is free to go to the fullest length under shimsa [non-violence]
for complete deadlock by strikes and all other possible means."
- Mohandas Gandhi
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: cccr001@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu (Lewis DiFelice)
Subject: Re:  (Pre-)WW2 unit insignia id
Organization: UT Austin
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:16 GMT


From cccr001@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu (Lewis DiFelice)




From cccr001@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu (Lewis DiFelice)



If memory serves me correctly the 36th Inf. Division was a Texas National
Guard
unit.  While I have never come across a reference to the 116th Division,
there was
the 106th Division (I think the nickname was the "Timberwolves"). Again
if I 
am remembering correctly, the 106th was overrun and 2 regiments
surrendered to
the Germans during the first days of the Ardnennes counter-offensive in
December 1944.

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Lee Short <short@asf.com>
Subject: Re: Altered history of warfare
Organization: ASF
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:44:21 GMT


From Lee Short <short@asf.com>




From Lee Short <short@asf.com>


In article <1992Jul29.125747.21639@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> utidjian%remarque.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David M.V. Utidjian) writes:
>
>From utidjian%remarque.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David M.V. Utidjian)
>
>Hmmm... I seem to remember hearing that the German Army in it's in invasion
>of Russia during WWII (Operation Barbarossa?) had as much as 80% of it's
>artillery horse drawn.  In fact the Wehrmacht relied heavily on horses for
>supplies and movement.  The W. was not fully motorized by a long shot.

This is assuredly true.  Very nearly all of an infantry division's
transport was horse-drawn, to include horse-drawn *ambulances*!!  Von
Manstein relates an interesting set of events in _Lost Victories_
(from memory): After the rapid German advance into the Caucasus in
summer 1942, things bogged down a bit, and the lines stabilized.  The
horses foraged out the immediate area around the front lines, and had
to be moved to the rear areas to find fodder.  When it came time to
retreat, the Germans had to wait until the horses could be brought up
to begin the retreat.

>The SS was fully motorized.  In WWII, the Germans relied on the train to
>move most of their supplies and troops long distances.

I seem to remember an SS cavalry division early in the war in the east.  I
could be wrong, though.

For long distances, even motorized troops were moved by train.  In
fact, Tigers had special treads they wore when being transported.  

Lee
-- 
short@asf.com        I'll believe in Virtual Reality when they create 
Lee Short            the first virtual beer.  
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