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From:         Gary J LaPointe <21757gjl@ibm.cl.msu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Signatures

Not that I am saying either is the final word but

ZEN AND THE ART OF THE INTERNET says in it's chapter on 'Netiquette'
in section 4.13.1 -
"Four lines will suffice-more is just extra garbage for Usenet sites to
carry..."
and in reference to ASCII drawings (such as: space shuttles or handwritten
signatures) it says, "This is NOT cute, and will bother people to no end."

NURSIG - The NorthWestNet User Services Internet Resource Guide (an
excellent 300 page reference guide to the internet, pointed out to me by
[another talked to death subject] a forwarded message) says-
on page 30
"Keep your sig short, fewer than five lines is enough."
"Don't include a lot of grahics made of letters and characters, lists of
all possible telephone numbers, postal and e-mail addresss at which you can
be contacted, or your favorite quotes."

Personally, I like signatures but some are annoying (cute pictures) but I
figure it is at the end of the message and if you don't want to read it,
DON'T!
Mine is longer than 4 lines BUT since it is all left justified (and not a
little on the left and some on the right, with lots of spaces in between) I
probably take up less bandwidth than most signatures (how is that for a
rationalization??)

And we (EDTECH) have wasted so much bandwith on this and the forwarded
messages stuff, it is completly defeating the purpose (IMHO).

See ya!

Gary J LaPointe   :^)

Michigan State University
21757gjl@ibm.cl.msu.edu

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Subject:      listservs for local governments (fwd)

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marcia harrington <HARNGTON@vtvm1.bitnet>
listservs for local governments

Please respond to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am posting this question to this list because
it seems to have the most diverse community of
participants and I hope that someone out there
in "pacs-l land" can provide some direction.

I am with Public service programs at Virginia Tech
and am working to set up a network for local
governments across the state.  I am searching for
other communities for this group to interact with.
Does anyone know of other networks that are
designed for local government communications
and applications?  Does anyone know of any
listservs that deal with local government
issues?

Any help any of you can provide is appreciated.
Feel free to forward this onto a more appropriate
list.
thanks!

Marcia Harrington
Public Service Programs
Va Tech
703-231-6913
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 *** Reply to note of 08/12/92 10:12
 Subject: Visual literacy interest group
 Bill, you need to know about the International Visual Literacy Association, now
  in its 24th year.  We will be holding our annual conference in Pittsburgh, Sep
 tember 30-October 4 on "Imagery in Science and the Arts."  Featured speaker is
 Edward Tufte, author of "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information", etc.
 For further information, please contact me direct.

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From:         LDD1_MAIL@ECC.TASED.EDU.AU
Subject: Keyboarding skills? Could you help?

Please reply to ldd1_mail@ecc.tased.edu.au
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Lauderdale Primary School
3 Acton Road
Lauderdale
Tasmania   7021
Australia

Hi,

We are a primary school of around 700 children.

We are wrestling with a problem that perhaps has confronted many schools,
and we would like some help. Our problem is our attempt to address the
question of "keyboarding skills" (whatever they may be). We have a
computer in each of our classrooms, but no computer lab (nor a spare
classroom to set one up).

We have relied, in the past, on children just acquiring these skills through
constant usage. But this does not appear to be effective, nor efficient. The
demands currently on reasonable speed and accuracy by the later primary
years (9-12 years old) are such that our children need to be more fluent.
Involvement in telecommunications places more stress on our response
ability.

Many of our teachers are asking what can be done? We are seeking help and
ideas from those who have attempted to solve the same problem  ( if you
have had this problem!) in your own school environment.

Have you had this problem?
What have you found to work in your school?
How have you attempted to develop a whole school plan to tackle this
problem?
Has one strategy been more successful than another?
What do the typing communities within you school think about this?

We would love to hear from you and your terrific ideas.

It might be that I could collate the responses and list them together latter.

Once again, thanks for your help,

Bernard Hoggett
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Subject:      $500 for Qualitative Research (fwd)

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:54 MDT
From: YEAMANA@mscd.bitnet
Subject: $500 for Qualitative Research

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Announcing Special Research Award

$500

        For the best QUALITATIVE RESEARCH report on educational
communications and technology.

        The Special Research Award is funded by the ECT Foundation and
coordinated by the Research and Theory Division of the Association for
Educational Communications and Technology. The winner will receive a
$500 cash award to be presented at the 1993 AECT National Convention in
New Orleans, January 13-17.

        Submitted papers must report an original, unpublished qualitative
research investigation. Qualitative theories and methods may be applied
from areas such as cultural anthropology, history, social psychology
and sociology.

        For more information and entry forms, contact:

                Special Research Award
                c/o AECT Awards Program
                1025 Vermont Ave., NW, Suite 820
                Washington, DC 20005

        Phone (202) 347-7834    Fax (202) 347-7839


        The ECT Foundation carries out the purposes and programs of the AECT
that are charitable and educational in nature by promoting scholarship and
leadership in the field.

        ECT FOUNDATION  "WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE"

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Posted by Andrew R. J. Yeaman   Bitnet:yeamana@mscd
Consultant, Yeaman & Associates Internet:yeamana@zeno.mscd.edu
Adjunct Professor, Metropolitan State College of Denver
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From:         stan kulikowski ii <STANKULI@UWF.BITNET>
Subject:      proposal estimates for OCR scanning?

  i am preparing a proposal which needs to include substantial optical
character recognition (OCR scanning) to capture printed textbook materials into
a machine-readable format.  i need some expertise on what expenses to plan for.
the project will collect all reading assignments for students in a class and
then scan in as much as we can per month for statistical analysis of the
material.

  as i understand the process, we scan text in a fixed font and then have to
hand-correct errors in the range of 5-10 characters per 1000.  this then needs
a third pass to verify the correction.  result is about 1 char per 100K error.
through-put rate is about the same as hiring a skilled secretary (55 wpm) to
type in the text, reading from the hardcopy.  (secretary is without dual
reading for 1/100K verification).  from this, can i estimate that 2 graduate
students (20 hr per week) could process about 200M per 9 month academic year?

  can i assume that a 486 cpu with 10M ram is adequate engine for OCR?  what
scanner and software expenses should i request?  hand-held or flatbed? i have
heard that OCR is prone to mechanical downtime.  would 2 sets of OCR hardware
per cpu be adequate to keep the process moving?

  now, how much a wrinkle will it be to do this in russian (or other
indoeuropean languages) rather than english?
                                            stan

                        stankuli@UWF.bitnet
     .
    ===    we all help each other get a little further down the road,
               or be damned for the fools that we are.
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From:         BFOSTER <BFOSTER.UNCSON@mhs.unc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Learning Styles

Meyers-Briggs info is available from Consulting Psychologists Press, 577
College Ave, Palo Alto, CA 94306, (415) 969-8901.
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From:         "Office of Educational Development" <oed@violet.berkeley.edu>
Subject:      request for grading software info

I am trying to identify good software packages for computerized
grading and recordkeeping.  Does anybody keep their grades on line?  If
so, what packages are you using and what do you think of them?  Any
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Barbara Davis
Office of Educational Development
UC Berkeley
oed@ucbviole.BITNET
phone: 510-642-6392
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:28:44 EDT
From:         The Commonwealth of Learning <col@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject:      Cost Effectiveness in DE

Please allow me to introduce myself : Richard T.U. Wah, Deputy
Director/Head of Distance Education at the University of the South
Pacific, Suva, Fiji Islands, in the South Pacific. I am trying to
gather information for a study as set out below. If there is any
one out there who has an interest in this area and would like to
discuss this with me, I have access to Internet through the bridge
at Waikato University in New Zealand. My Email address is
"WAH_RT@USP.AC.FJ". Please contact me via this address.

TOPIC :     DISTANCE EDUCATION AT USP : Is it efficient and cost
            effective?


This study will investigate the planning strategies that are used
in DE institutions and consider the implications of these
strategies to management systems that are in place or need to be
put in place. The University of the South Pacific will be the
primary university under study. Although others will be selected
based on issues that are critical to this analysis. The following
analyses will be conducted :

     (a)  reference/focus groups' responses to the University's
          contribution to their own country and their expectations
          of what the University's DE impact on their countries
          should be? what do they consider DE to be?

     (b)  the University's DE aims and policies; and its action
          plans and activities. Are these different? , what are the
          marketing strategies used?

     (c)  integrating (a) and (b) above and producing alternative
          structures for DE planning strategies,

     (d)  having developed structures as presented in (c)
          corresponding structures for appropriate management
          systems/structures for implementing these plans need to
          be designed,

     (e)  the evaluative procedures used in the DE institutions
          selected for this study in relation to their course
          offerings, operations and cost effectiveness.


The costs ( financial, chronological, sociological and political)
will be considered when developing the structures described in (c)
and (d).

Any statistical information, papers or reports, titles of articles
books etc would be appreciated.

Thanks for reading this,

Richard.







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The Commonwealth of Learning
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From:         JOEL <bowman@gw.wmich.edu>
Subject:      RE: MBTI

Actually, a TON of stuff is available on Myers-Briggs.  A
good book for use with students is PLEASE UNDERSTAND ME, by
Keirsey and Bates (Prometheus, 1984).  It includes an
abbreviated version of the MB personality sorter and an
excellent discussion of the personality types.
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From:         Gary J LaPointe <21757gjl@ibm.cl.msu.edu>
Subject:      POSTSCRIPT PRINTING ON THE MAC. HELP!!!

Here is a problem (hopefully with an easy fix!):
I download these documents (such as: Zen and the Art of the Internet) which
is a 100 page postscript file. I then go to print it with a postscript
printer utility that I have, but it only allows me to print the WHOLE
document, which is okay, BUT my printer jams 50 pages into the print out
and I cannot print from just page 50 on.  HELP!

Semi-minor problem: Zen and the Art of the Internet looks as if it is
formatted for 8.5x5.5 inches, and I cannot figure how to make it print
landscape so it only uses half the page (after half the printout I'll flip
it around and stick it back in, I'll cut it in half later).

Maybe the answer to the first problem can also fix the second.  Hopefully
there is software (public domain) to do such a thing?

By the way the problem occurs on a Macintosh using the Apple Laser Font
Utiliity Program (ver. 6.1), (I suppose that is important to know).

Thanks!

Gary J LaPointe   :^)

Michigan State University
21757gjl@ibm.cl.msu.edu

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From:         "MATTHEW STRATFOLD" <M.P.Stratfold@open.ac.uk>
Subject:      RE: FOOTER FETISH

Surely a footer is a leat one way to express some sort of identity in
E-Mail.  It is not possible to choose the paper type, ink, font or writing
style etc. as you would a normal message that would give clues to the sort
of person you are.  You could argue that what a person says should be enough,
but I think that what is said must be balanced against who is saying it.
A footer helps give somebody a face and greater character in what is
essentialy a very bleak expressionless way of communicating.

Maybe I'm more graphically minded than the people who are against personalized
footers, but I can see a name again and again at the bottom of an email and
not recognised this as a name I've seen before - but when I see a footer I
imediatly think - ah I've seen this person here before. I can then start to
build an identity up for this person built on all their e-mail, rather than
only the one I've just read.

That said, the software I've got access to at the moment doesn't easily add
footer automatically (up-grades in the pipeline though).

So bye (facelessly) for now ;-)  M.P.Stratfold@open.ac.uk
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From:         JOEL <bowman@gw.wmich.edu>
Subject:      RE: Scheduling Programs

Lolita, we use Excel to arrange faculty schedules, course
offerings, and other information related to course
scheduling.  We simply enter the data in rows and columns.

The University course scheduling, with which we must
coordinate our offerings, is kept on the administrating
mainframe (an IBM).  The students register for classes by
phone, and we download that information at several points in
the registration process.

I couldn't tell from your question whether you were
concerned about how we handled things in our department or
whether you were concerned with how the university managed
course scheduling for 700+ faculty and 22,000+ students.
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Subject:      Special Education Conference Info (fwd)

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:30:00 EST
From: BRITTAIN@firnvx.bitnet
To: Multiple recipients of list COSNDISC <COSNDISC@bitnic.bitnet>
Subject: Special Education Conference Info

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     12-Aug-1992 04:28pm EDT
                                        From:     David Brittain
                                                  BRITTAIN
                                        Dept:
                                        Tel No:   904/488-0980   S/278-0980

TO:  Remote Addressee                     ( _jnet%cosndisc@bitnic.bitnet )


Subject: Special Education Conference Info

Here is some information on a special education conference that is to be
held in conjunction with the Florida Educational Technology Conference in
early February of 1993 in Tampa.

* * * * * * * * * * * * PRESS RELEASE * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

The Second Annual Florida Adaptive Technology Impact Conference (FATIC)
will be held on February 1-2, 1993 in conjunction with the Florida
Educational Technology Conference (FETC) at the Tampa Convention Center in
Tampa, Florida.  The FATIC '93 Conference will focus on the latest uses of
adaptive and assistive technology in curriculum integration and vocational
transition.

FATIC '93 will expand its presentations to include sensory impairments,
physical impairments, mental impairments, speech and language impairments,
specific learning disabilities, emotional impairments, at risk children,
and vocational rehabilitation.  Because of the overwhelming interest in
FATIC '92, the Conference Committee is planning for an increase in the
number of participants from 450 to over 1,000.  FATIC '93 will include an
expanded information fair and a hands-on lab for participants to experience
the latest in adaptive and assistive hardware and software.

Applications to present at FATIC '93 were mailed on the first of June.
Individuals interested in presenting should contact Jeffrey Fitterman,
Conference Chair, at (800) 282-9193 in Florida, (813) 872-5281 or write to
him at the Florida Instructional Materials Center, 5002 North Lois Avenue,
Tampa, Florida  33614.
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From:         Malcolm Sharp <sharp%mizar.usc.edu@usc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Census Info. (fwd)

news
sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp)
bit.listserv.edtech
Census Info. (fwd)
14 Aug 1992 14:16:55 -0700
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA

You can ftp 1990 housing and population information for all states.
The work was done as part of "Project Gutenberg" and they have an ftp
server - can't remember of address at present.  But those files are
mirrored several places - best bet would be to ftp (anonymous) to
wuarchive.wustl.edu and go to the directory mirrors/msdos/etext.
That's how I remember finding it about a month ago.  If that's
incorrect, I'm sure fellow netters will correct me (please).

Malcolm Sharp
sharp@mizar/isc/edi
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From:         Bill Byers <BYERS@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      internship SIG

Does anyone know of a SIG or LISTSERV for those directing, managing, or
otherwise responsible for INTERNSHIP programs?  Thanks for any assistance.
Bill Byers; Wbyers@ecn.mass.edu

William Byers
Worcester State College
486 Chandler Street
Worcester, Ma. 01602
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From:         JOEL <bowman@gw.wmich.edu>
Subject:      RE: request for grading software info

Barbara, I use Excel.  Before Excel, I used VisiCalc.
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Subject:      News submission for va-pen.mailing-list.edtech

msooh@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (Mary A. Sooh)
interactive large lectures
I don't have any names, but I know Kentucky has worked with
the keypads.  You might contact KET, 1-800-354-9067 and see if
someone there can guide you to the proper person.
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Mary Sooh                      msooh@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu
Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology
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