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From: tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Mac PC Exchange, AccessPC & DOSMounter
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:36:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Colouring Book Software

geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner) writes:

>As far as I can tell, all three utilitys only provide Mac app
>double-clickability on _disks_ and are no help on local hard disks or
>NetWare volumes, that's really too bad.

~AccessPC 2.0 supports SCSI devices and DOS formatted media. No Netware
I'm afraid but Rome wasn't built in a day. It's also worth pointing out
that APC will run under system 6 or 7. PC Exchange is system 7 only.
T


-- 
Tony Cunningham, Insignia Solutions. 				   tjc@ed.ac.uk

Yes, I carry a grudge. If someone pokes me in the eye, I'll poke both of
their eyes. larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Stephen Cooper <stephen@csd.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Small app to start Shutdown?
X-Xxdate: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09:52:48 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:52:29 GMT

In article <BsxIKt.J4v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> A A DeGuzman,
aad35939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: 
>I am mananging a lab of 30+ Macs running System 7. We want to keep the 
>machines running all the time; we don't want students shutting them
down. 
>I've edited the Finder using ResEdit to diable the Shutdown command. But
I 
>would like a way to shut down the machine using, perhaps, a small 
>application, in case of repair/maintenence. Does such any app exist?

Shutdown Items will do the trick, as well as adding a folder called
"Shutdown
Items" analogous to "Startup Items" which allows any application to be
run at
shutdown time.  Available at sumex.
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From: tecot@momenta.com (Ed Tecot)
Subject: Re: Fullwrite Professional
Organization: Momenta Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:39:20 GMT


For US$49, you can upgrade to v1.5s of FWP.  Just call up Borland customer
support (sorry, I don't have the number).  I still use FWP and the only
problem I've encountered is with the cache on the Quadra, but there's
shareware to fix that problem.

Which reminds me...  Where can I get CacheOut?  I can't FTP to Stanford.

					_emt

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce)
Subject: Re: Nisus
Summary: Has some bugs
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:34:52 GMT

pgiltner@epas.utoronto.ca (Philip W. Giltner Jr.) writes:
>ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donpaul C. Stephens) writes:
>>
>>Could a Nisus owner please pull a comparison for us between Nisus and Word?
>
>I just made the switch, and I'm pretty happy with it.

I got the demo (I forget what version) about two years ago, and dropped
it immediately, because of at least one major bug:

I copied a graph from Igor into the document.  The graph had about 1000
objects (circles) in it.  So far, fine.  Then I wanted to center it or
something, so I thought I'd try double-clicking it first, to see if that
brought up some convenient controls.  Big mistake.  Watch cursor appeared,
going round and round.  After more than 3 minutes of waiting (on a IIci
with cache card), I tried to stop it.  Command-dot didn't work.  This was
before System 7, so command-shift-escape wasn't an option.  I finally
rebooted after about 4 minutes of it doing god-knows-what.  

I sent email to them, and got no response.  Maybe this has been fixed now,
but if not I absolutely will not use the program.  Besides, I like 
hierarchical styles.

Not that MS Word is great.  Why can't they put in auto-numbering of 
arbitrary stuff?????  Dweebs!

I have another question about MSWD, but that belongs in another article.
Stay tuned.
--------
Kevin		boyce@amo.mit.edu
"There are dance halls, and theaters, with acoustics worse than here.
 Not forgetting the extra facilities, such as the tea machine,
 Just along the corridor..."		--Soft Machine
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:51:06 EDT

In article <1992Aug12.230713.14907@hellgate.utah.edu> mshields%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Michael S Shields) writes:
>>> 
>>> But something A comes up with, and a patent officer thinks is
>>> "unique," may be intuitively obvious to me when I start
>>> working (not having even seen the original program, much less
>>> the solution)
>>
>>Consider automobiles: if one company comes up with a new process to
>>manufacture fuel-injection systems, it would be patentable. The same should
>>hold true for new programming "processes" (algorithms).
>
>But I think that Jon's reasoning is more in line with what has been going on
>as long as programs have been written.  This, to me, would be a sort of
>precedent.  Granted, this argument could be used in other instances and isn't
>the greatest...

I'd say that Mr. W{tte's (gee, I can't type that umlaut!! :) reasoning was
essentially an argument against *any* patents.  I can't see any reason why
innovation in algorithms should be distinguished from innovation in any
other area.

Certainly, one can argue over what level of innovation warrants patent
protection--but that's a whole other question, which also applies to all
innovation, in general.


>but think of it this way, would you really want to license 
>quicksort from whoever held the patent??  Or would you want to have to reinvent
>the wheel all the time to stop from infinging on the patent??

Well, since Hoare invented Quicksort in 1958 (?--I know he invented it prior to
Algol, because it wasn't until a language with recursive procedures came out
that Hoare knew how to express his algorithm.  I think the algorithm was
first published in 1963...) and patent rights last for only 17 years,
QuickSort would be in the public domain by now... :)

There's no doubt that those who rely on other's inventions (whether they be
algorithms or anything else) would prefer to get those inventions free of
charge.

The flip-side is, how would you feel if it was *your* invention that others
were using to write commercial programs to get rich, and you couldn't benefit
a penny for your work?

The patent laws are supposed to encourage innovation by allowing inventors
reasonable rewards for their labor, while allowing others significant leeway
to build upon their work.

As a result, patents grant rights for a relatively short period of time (17
years) and provide no protection from derivative works.  (That is, derivative
works that introduce non-negligible changes/innovations--don't ask me how
that is judged, I'm no patent attorney...)

-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace)
Subject: Re: Comments on Miracle Piano teaching system
Organization: TRW Data Systems Center, Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:45:02 GMT

alex@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Alex Pournelle) writes:
>wright@aelle.cs.odu.edu (GENTLEMAN) writes:
>>In article <56961@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dckim@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:
[initial question about Miracle deleted]
>>Sure!  Invest your money into a private piano teacher if you want to
>>learn how to play the piano.  I love electronic music as much as
>>the next guy, but it is absurd to believe that a simple music
>>software program can answer a user's every need!!!!

>But do you need those things to teach a kid (or yourself) something 
>about keyboards?
>No one is trying to shut down the conservatories and music schools with
>this thing: they're making piano teaching more available and affordable.

I agree that Miracle and such systems can be beneficial, especially
from a 'freedom of choice' point of view.  My experience with piano 
teachers was not a pleasant one, even though I took lessons for five 
(long) years.  The problem I had with the teacher was that she wanted 
me to play what _she_ thought were interesting pieces, that I had no 
interest in playing.  (And no one can convince me that a student should
have to play what the teacher wants you to 'for your own good.'  If
you don't like what you're playing then you won't enjoy practicing.)  
When I quit taking lessons, I actually played more because I enjoyed 
the pieces I was learning.  A program that offers a wide variety of 
songs, while teaching techniques and music theory, could be quite 
appealing.

Having said that, I saw a demo of Miracle at MacWorld Expo in January.
I wasn't really impressed with their library of songs;  in the version
I saw, their collection of pieces for users who already have some 
background in piano was pretty small.  At that time, I decided to get 
my own MIDI keyboard, Practica Musica, and EZ-Vision for composition.  
Practica Musica is a great ear-training program, and EZ-Vision does 
a good job at recording and playback. (Now if I only had time to 
practice. :-)  And yes, I am considering taking private lessons
again, someday.

The moral here is: go try it out before you decide.  If you find that
you like the selections available, or if you really just want to learn
the basics, then it may be for you.  If it's for a son/daughter, take 
them with you and let them be in on the decision, or you may end up 
wasting your money.  I believe it can be a good starter system, and if
you decide to get more serious, you can take lessons later.

Sheila
-- 
Sheila Wallace		(shla@spf.trw.com)
TRW, One Space Park, R2/2162, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT!!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:24:01 PDT

In article <21410020@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, on 17 Aug 1992 19:03:51 GMT,
stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten) writes about the "Aliens 4"
virus... 
.stuff deleted.

According to a message from Jeff Shulman, author of Virus Detective,
the Aliens 4 virus has not been authenticated.  Therefore, it MAY not
even exist!  But the matter is being investigated by all of the
virus program authors...

Gann Matsuda
From: Robert.H.Gross@dartmouth.edu (Robert H. Gross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: copy protection/licensing solution?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:40:27 GMT
 <mwalker-110892145014@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.> 
 <1992Aug12.171307.16347@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> 
 <1992Aug12.194145.15595@serval.net.wsu.edu>  
 <D88-JWA.92Aug13113735@dront.nada.kth.se>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0d55@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <D88-JWA.92Aug13113735@dront.nada.kth.se>
d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:

> 	 So what in this senario prevents me from copying the application
>    for a friend?  The application has the "correct" password installed now,
>    right?

This is the same as the situation we have without any form of
protection. What my scheme was meant to accomplish was to stop people
from actually copying USEFUL programs from someone else's disk without
their permission and to minimize the innocent ("I didn't know it was
wrong") copying of software for friends.

Not matter what kind of protection a vendor devises, some hacker will
be able to break it. My proposal was not meant to deal with those
folks, just to cut down on the "casual" copying.

Bob Gross
bob.gross@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: an446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel Boeringer)
Subject: Hiearchical Font Menus?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:40:28 GMT


Hi there...

Are there any extensions which provide user-definable 
hierarchical font menus?

Thanks, Daniel

an446@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
From: u_banzai@mcl.ucsb.edu (Marc Tamsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Is there a MacTCP-based Archie client??
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:36:48 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute For Strageic Information and Biomedical Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-slip43.ucsd.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6B9F81718030B2B@dial-slip43.ucsd.edu>
X-XXDate: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:32:07 GMT

I am looking for a Mac based archie program that will allow me to query
archie servers.

I thought one existed, but after searching the major ftp
sites and many mirrors of the smaller ones, I haven't found it.

I have also searched the archie ftp sites for client software.

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u_banzai@mcl.ucsb.edu    	       	KB6JWE				Marc Tamsky

In New Salem, ND stands the worlds largest Holstein Cow.
12000#, 38' H, 50' L.....	it's fiberglass!
From: owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: FETCH and GIF Weather Maps?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:45:31 GMT
Organization: Nasa-Ames Research Center

In article <1992Aug12.180610.15566@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> artis@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (David A. Artis) writes:
>I read in one of the alt.pictures groups about GIF weather maps, updated 
>hourly, available at FTP site vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (you have to tell Fetch to 
>change working directory to wx).  I got into the site ok, and tried 
>dowloading a few examples, using "binary".  However, I've not been able to 
>get any of the files to display with any of several Mac GIF viewers- each 
>says the file is damaged or in an invalid format.  A friend on an IBM PC 
>downloaded the same files and had no problem displaying them with his GIF 
>viewer. Any ideas?

I have done this without any problems.  However, make sure you have
switched to BINARY or IMAGE mode before transferring.  Also, disable
MacBinary.
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From: sholden@cod.nosc.mil (Steve Holden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Word 5.0a - Crashes [SOLUTION]
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:51:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: NRaD

Word 5.0a with the new Grammar and Spell Checker stopped
crashing after I deleted my Word Settings in the Preferences
folder.  I would suggest this to anyone having problems with
a Microsoft product, and experiencing crashes.

I have not had any problems since.  I did not have re-install
Word or System 7 (Yes!).
 
Thanks to all those who helped!  :-)
 
Steve

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From: starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Where is MacX ?
Keywords: MacX
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 08:53:26 MST
Reply-To: tosh!starta@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (John Starta)
Distribution: na

gan@sample-o.eng.ohio-state.edu  writes:

> I am wondering if there is any ftp sites that has MacX (preferably version 1.
> I tried "archie MacX" on my site but nothing was found. Could it be called
> differently ? Thanks in advance for any response/comments.

I may be mistaken but I believe MacX is sold by Apple. Street price at an
A/UX aware dealer is ~$210.

john

-- 
John Starta                                  tosh!starta@enuucp.eas.asu.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: What is Move and Rename?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:30:16 GMT

aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.) writes:

>I'm not sure how to get Word to stop showing it...

 (where "it" is the invisible "Move and Rename" folder.

 Just a question: does anyone out there know of an INIT or something
that will prevent invisible files and folders from appearing in the
SFGetFile dialogue box? It's kind of frustrating, working in a
university lab environment that must render certain important files
invisible for anti-piracy reasons, only to have all those files appear
in any "Open..." dialogue box. I think it's a bit of an inconsistency
of the Mac OS, having things visible in one place but not in another.

 Of course, some applications like ResEdit or FileTyper could have
some flag set which would allow them to see invisible stuff that
normally can't be seen.

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
Newsgroups: utas.general,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ccorbato@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles Corbato)
Subject: Re: excel questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: utas,world
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:43:55 GMT

Newsgroups: utas.general,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: excel questions
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: utas,world
Organization: The Ohio State University
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug18.012058.29003@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Jane Hogan@cc.utas.edu.au (Jane Hogan) writes:
>The answers to the following questions must be achievable in Excel 2.2 (Mac)
>1.
>        Is it possible to have superscript and subscript characters in Excel?
>        This is just as the heading of a column not in any calculated fields.
>        Have tried formatting it in Word and copy/paste but that didn't work.

I haven't been able to find a way to do this even on Excel 3.0.

>2.      Is it possible to set a default font for Excel so that all worksheets 
>								use it
>         - to avoid setting it for each new worksheet?

I'm not sure about Excel 2.2, but on 3.0 the way to do this is to
redefine the "Normal" Style (which should be Geneva 10, if it hasn't
been already redefined).  Go to the Format menu, select Style..., select
"Normal", then Change: Font... and you are presented all the fonts you
have on the system.  From here on it should be easy.

>3.      A cell contains a particular number which is the result of a formula. 
>        Is it possible to insert the  symbol (option w) next to the answer?
>        It seems that you can either have the  symbol or the calculated answer
>							 but not both?

I'm not sure what you mean by \267 symbol (on my reader, rn, this was
first interpreted as just a 7; on Geneva 10, option w yields a capital
Greek sigma, often used for a summation symbol---perhaps this is what
you mean).  Again I'm not certain what can be done with 2.2 but on Excel
3.0 it's very easy.  Anyway, if you can type it from the keyboard, I
think you can put it into the cell.  The way to do this is with a
customized "Number" format.  Go to the Format menu, select Number, then
create your own.  For example: "<option w>"0.00 where the quotation
marks are included but <option w> represents your keystrokes for your
special character; 0.00 will then print the value of that cell with 2
digits after the decimal place---all this will print the value of the
cell after your special character.


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   | Ohio State Univ, Columbus, OH     ccorbato@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: krash@syncline.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Richard Krasner)
Subject: POSTSCRIPT VIEWER
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:34:30 GMT
Distribution: All
Reply-To: krash@syncline.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Richard Krasner)
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Keywords: POSTSCRIPT MS WORD 5.0

I was recently having some trouble when printing out some graphics in MSW  
5.0.  They looked good on the screen, but when printed on a Personal  
LaserWriter were messed up.  Is there a POSTSCRIPT viewer application out  
there that will work with MSW 5.0 documents so I can see what my graphics  
will look like when finally printed?  BTW, I originally created a graphic  
in MacDraw II Version 1.1, copied it into MSW 5.0, scaled the graphic in  
MSW, and printed it >> messed up.  Then I took same graphic from MacDraw  
and copied it to PixelPaint, re-copied graphic from PixelPaint into MSW  
5.0, scaled the graphic in MSW, and printed it >> worked.

Krash
From: purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: .drt ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:40:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1992Aug19.144037.19090
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <1992Aug18.210650.15917@tdb.uu.se> t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson) writes:
>What is it ?
>
>/Par
>

A dirt file from MacGossip?

--Purp, curious as well.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: What is Move and Rename?
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:56:31 GMT

banks@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>When in Word (ver. 5.00, running on an SE/30 with System 7) I go to
>the open dialog box, I sometimes see a folder on my hard disk called
>Move and Rename (it actually has two little symbol boxes in front of the 
>name but I can't do them here).  It is invisible from any other
>application or the finder, but with ResEdit I can 'visibilise' it and
>it always turns out to be empty.  I generally chuck it away, but it 
>usually reappears after a while.

The Move and Rename folder is generally caused by file sharing, or so
I'm told.

>I assume it is something created by the finder when I drop things into
>my system folder and it suggests where they should go, but perhaps not.
>Out of curiosity I'd like to know where this folder comes from and if
>there is any fix to stop it being created (or to stop it being seen by
>Word) I'd be interested, though it is hardly a problem.

I'm not sure how to get Word to stop showing it...

	-=Alan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:59:37 GMT

In article <D88-JWA.92Aug17212850@dront.nada.kth.se>,
d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) wrote:
> 
> I independently (re-)discovered both of these techniques without
> even thinking about it. It's not algorithms; it's like patenting
> the addition operator.

I'm sure other patented devices get "re-discovered" all the time.

> What if someone painted a painting of an apple, and forbade
> everyone else to paint apples. That's the kind of patents we
> get now. However, using the EXACT SAME apple (hash function,

I don't think you can patent a painting.  You can only copyright a
painting, and I'm sure many paintings are copyrighted.  A copyright doesn't
prevent someone else from doing another painting of apples as long is it
isn't a copy of the original work.  

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps