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From: BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu (Brian Panulla, MooCow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: 3P0's WORLD! 3PO's WORLD! PARTY TIIIIIMME! EXCELLENT!
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:46:26 GMT
Organization: Penn $tate Univer$ity
Supersedes: <92226.151208BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <19513@fritz.filenet.com>, ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung) says:
>
>Heh, that could be pretty interesting.  "See C3PO when he was wild
>and wacky!  Back in the old days when he, too, was a rebel and didn't
>pay so much attention to rules and regulations and 'doing the right
>thing'."  C3PO at a frat party ... hmmm....
>

Maybe this is where that elusive shot of 3P0 with his phallus hanging out was
taken! :)


>Bill Ung
>  ung@filenet.com
>
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From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:04:58 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

I have the Fall of the Rebublic  story treatment and it tells nothing except
the origins of Darth Vader.

It doesn't take a genius to notice that they have the same last name
(Antillies), and the time differnce between the two trilogies would make him
the father.  

To the answer where I get this, I have my sources.  I have followed George
Lucas work ever since Star Wars release in '77.
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:40:52 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

> [re: Why'd Threepio say he didn't know who the princess was? ]
> 
> Was Threepio's restraining bolt off at that point? If not,
> there's the possibility he was acting according to its demands -
> no other master than Luke and the Lars' would be acceptable, so
> he _couldn't_ have belonged to her. But when Luke asked Artoo to
> replay the message, Threepio helped his 'master Luke', egging
> Artoo on.
> 
> If it was off, by that point, the theory is shot. :)

It was still on, on both of them, actually.  That is, until Artoo 
suggests that removing the restraining bolt would allow him to play the 
entire message.


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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: LET'S CLEAR UP THIS BIGGS THING
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug13.024156.23547@rchland.ibm.com> BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <l3i52hINNi54@phakt.usc.edu>, dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>|> In article <Jun12.182722.24426@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bricker@osprey.cahs.colostate.edu (Chris Bricker) writes:
>|> >The scene at Toshi station WAS in there the first time I saw STAR WARS 
>|> >during it's first run in 1977 along with the scene with Jabba and the scene
>|> >depicting Luke seeing the battle with his binoculars.  I have corroborated 
>|> >this with the people I saw it with.  I am sure these scenes were there the
>|> >first time I saw it. I have never seen the storybook you are refering to.
>|> 
>|> Look, this post proves my point. We know that the jabba scene was not in
>|> Star Wars. You probably saw the TV special which has the Jabba scene, 
>|> in unfinished form. The only thing you guys are going on is old memories.
>|> Memories easily mixed up with a lot of data, after the fact.  If so many
>|> people saw this scene, why isn't there a print floating around with it?
>|> Why doesn't someone come up with an audio tape of it? How about a bootleg
>|> video tape? 
>
>#1 came out when I was in high school and my friends and I saw it at
>least ten times the first year or two.  I also read the book.  We were
>disappointed that they left out so many neat scenes that were in the book
>LIKE WATCHING THE FIGHT THROUGH THE BINOCULARS.  It wasn't in the original
>movie.
>

Well, this is interesting.  I too am sure that these scenes were NEVER in the movie.
I saw ANH when it first came out.  Unfortunately (or fortunately!) I was only 
about ten at the time, so who's going to trust a ten year old!?  I base my
"proof" on two things:  (1) When I first read the Marvel Comics Adaption of the
movie [sorry - mine are reprints] I remember thinking "Hey! This wasn't in the
movie!" upon encountering the panel showing Luke pearing through his macrobin's,
watching the battle overhead.  (2)  Did it ever occur to you that Lucas is not
a complete idiot??  WATCH the damn movie when Luke Skywalker makes his FIRST
APPEARENCE.  That scene is utter magic, with Beru calling Luke's name, the
theme music intoning...  You see, that FABULOUS moment wouldn't be worth sh*t
if we had been introduced to Luke earlier, during the battle between the
Star Destroyer and the blockade runner.

As ever, all IMHO.



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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:57:54 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <36870008@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>	
>	The script writer goofed....
>
>	3PO was NOT protecting the princess (by lying to Luke) otherwise
>	he would have not gotten on R2-D2's case for not playing the
>	message.  It is possible that he didn't actually know what
>	she looked like... but that would be an unnecessary twist that would
>	not have been written in by the writers in the first place....
>
>	They just blew it.  It happens.
>
>	-Mike-
   I don't agree with that. 3PO was protecting her identity and his
   getting on R2 could also be perceived as just a ploy for Lukes
   benefit. 3PO knew that only one person was going to see that message
   and that R2 wasn't going to show anyone but Ben. No matter what 3PO
   said, R2 will do what was originally ordered of him.

   IMHO, of course

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From: BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu (Brian Panulla, MooCow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Movie
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:03:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92226.150323BJP108
 <1992Aug12.212429.4742@ecl.psu.edu> <4691@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Organization: Penn $tate Univer$ity

In article <4691@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tmkst6+@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek)
says:
>
>        What!!??  Is this for real??!!  I can't believe this!!  I should've
>guessed, though - you do go to Penn St.

I find your lack of faith in Joe Paterno......disturbing.

>                TEd
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 14:58:55 GMT


In a previous article, jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan) says:

>Okay, step aside everybody, I just saw Star Wars  again so of course *I*
>have all the answers:  (multiple annoying smileys for the humor impaired)
>
>I think Zahn's interpretation of the Force is pretty much doo-doo.  Animals
>that can create a bubble in the Force?  So, I would also assume that the
>bit about Yoda balancing himself off against a great evil to hide himself
>from the Force is also dubious.  If Darth Vader were so inclined, of COURSE
>he would know that Ben and Luke were on Tatooine, as Anakin Skywalker, he 
>LIVED on Tatooine with his brother Owen.  I'm getting this from the dialogue
>in Star Wars.  Ben and Luke talked about Owen as if he were Luke's uncle and
>Anakin's brother.  (Ben talking about Owen (paraphrased): "He thought your
>father should stay here and not get involved in any war.")  I don't think
>Darth Vader was all that interested in killing Luke OR Ben OR Yoda (if he
>even know Yoda existed) until he started to see that Luke was strong in

OK, for the umteenth time, OWEN IS BEN KENOBI'S BROTHER!!!  (Where's the
FAQ when you need it?)

Athough it was apparently never stated explicitly in the movie, it was
stated specifically in the novelization of ROTJ.
>
>And why did C3PO call the Princess the Princess once and then say he didn't
>know who she was?  Well, we already saw that 'droids can be devious -- in
>ANH again, R2 asks Luke to take off his restraining voice, claiming that he
>might be able to play the rest of the message.  So, I think 3PO of course
>knew who she was, but he was downplaying her importance.  Not because he
>thought Luke might be with the Empire -- 3PO had already stated that he was
>on a Rebel ship -- but because he had a new master and really didn't think
>it that important and didn't want Luke to pay too much attention to the
>message if it were important.  "Screenwriter error."  Pah!

No he didn't say that he was on a Rebel ship.  (And you say you just
saw it again! (more annoying smileys.))  He said, and correct me if
my memory is bad ...

C3PO:  It's amazing that we're in good condition as we are, what with
the Rebellion and all.

Luke:  You know of the Rebellion agains the Empire?

C3PO:  I'm afraid I'm only an interpreter, and not very good at telling
stories.

That doesn't say that 3PO was on a Rebel ship.  It just says that he's
been exposed to fighting.  He could easily have been an Imperial drois,
particularly with Luke's remarks that they might be stolen.  (Of course,
he thinks they've been stolen from ObiWan, but that's beside the point.)

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From: djsnider@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Darrin Snider)
Subject: Re: Ben's Death
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:24:42 GMT

In <64791@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7219a@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Michael Lawyer) writes:

>In article <1992Jul31.144834.9639@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg) writes:
>>
>>This subject has always bothered me.  Why does Ben seem to give up while
>>fighting Vader?  When I saw ANH for the first time (I was about 7) I thought
>>that Ben was tranfering the Force from him to Luke.  Now I wonder if it was
>>because Yoda had told Ben that it was Luke's destiny to face Vader.
>>
>>What is your opinions?
>>-Brian

>I always believed in the first reason.  Yoda wouldn't have told
>Ben not to kill Vader because it was Luke's destiny.  Always in
>motion is the future.  Back to the death star fight, I always thought
>that the scene should have been something like this:

>Ben:  If you strike me down Luke over there (points) will become
>      more powerful than you can possibly imagine.  

>C'mon, at the end of ANH Luke is barely able to beat a remote
>with his force skills and at the beginning he desides to find
>out if he can telekenesis things.  He had to get this skill from
>somewhere didn't he?

>this has been a regularly scheduled bout of random speculation
>the manatee

This had bothered me quite a bit at first but I considered something...
Surely there are history books or other official accounts of the Jedi and
their abilities floating about.  I would assume that Luke would be looking
into this during the period between ANH and TESB.  As he had learned to at
least feel the force, maybe he taught himself to manipulate it, albiet in
very limited, uncontrolled ways.

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:47:50 GMT

tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
: >My friend and I were just wondering who would in a fight, Darth Vader
: >or Boba Fett.  Also, why do you think that Darth/Boba would win?
: 
: Vader would just "strangle" him and that would be the end of it.

Well, I beg to differ - Fett's corps were involved in fighting
Jedi once upon a time in the Clone Wars.

I suspect the armor and training he received as part of it would
give him some protection against the Jedi tricks -- just like
Jabba had some immunity to 'Jedi mind tricks'.

Fett could probably hold his own against Vader -- why else would he
go aboard the Executor to talk business? He hasn't stayed #1 by being
careless.

Scott


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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Other interesting things to fight about.... :-)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:46:50 GMT


Ah, yes.... I remembered two other interesting bits.
In ROJ (the novelization, at least - I don't remember the movie)
after Yoda fades away, Ben, when talking to Luke, distinctly
remarks that Owen was his, Ben's, brother.

And considering the 'ethics' arguments surrounding the whole
matter of spice in the star wars universe, this one should
generate a bit of trouble...

In the ANH novelization Luke tells Ben that his father was a
navigator on a SPACE freighter, *NOT* a spice freighter.


Well, I'm off, then.  I've got a week of vacation coming to me,
so I won't be arround to hear your nonsense... :-)
And no, I won't get to go diving OR sailing, I've got to remodel
a bathroom, but thanks for asking....  :-p

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug18.154704.754
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

OK, I stand (or rather sit) corrected. Mark Hamil was in the *PLAY* version
of Amadeus, and not the movie. My mistake (I was referring to an old
magazine article on that). As for how exciting and my defination on how
exciting, well, to each his own....8-/

Dave
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Books
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:30:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <yvafquq@Unify.Com>, tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
> 
> I went to a Waldenbooks store to other day and tried to order the following
> books:
> 
> |> A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, Del Rey, 1984, Raymond L. Velasco
> 
> Can someone explain what is in the Guide to the SW universe and Intergalactic
> passport?

	This is a handy little book, about 200 pages or so long. It is
basically a mini dictionary/encyclopedia of everything (?) that had come out
dealing with the Star Wars universe up 'til 1984. For example, it has entries
for the different starfighters and people used in the movies, books, and radio
plays.

Brandpn Cope
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:48:08 GMT

mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
: Ahem.  Well, if he had so much experience against Jedi, then why was he 
: stupid enough to rocket-pack himself over to the skiff that Luke was on,
: only to be thrown off and into the Sarlacc?

This death has always bothered me -- I expected so much *more*
out of Fett's character.

I think it was a cop-out to tie up loose ends, and a very poor 
decision.

Fett deserved better!

Scott
From: layne+@pitt.edu (Deborah E Layne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: LEIA'S CHARACTER
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: layne@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

On the topic of whether Leia got "soft."

Well, she took out a number of stormtroopers (after being shot herself)
while Han fumbled with the blastdoors at the base on Endor.

She did pretty well with the speeder bike.

And don't forget that she choked Jabba to death with only the chain
that he hand put on her.  Just sitting that close to Jabba without
hurling made her pretty tough in my book ;)

IMHO, you might want to reconsider...

Deb


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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Favourite Star Wars movie
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:43:18 GMT


In a previous article, rmctavis@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu () says:

>Since then I have changed my view. ESB is the most
>solid and most emotional of the three. It had the
>best acting and didn't rely heavily on special effects
>like RoJ did. As far as the movies emotional content, the 
>scene just before Han gets frozen is probably the best
>acted and most emotional scene in the whole series.

I'd call that the second most emotional scene.  The one that tugs
at my breath is where he's about to be tortured.

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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:42:42 GMT

In article <cass8806.255@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>
>	pumping gas no doubt.


		NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: gene@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gene E. Johannsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who deceiving whom?
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:20:40 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

ithron@athena.mit.edu (Arthur Lue) writes:


>Just a little comment about the trilogy...

>Isn't it odd that the only ones who intentionally deceived Luke were Ben and
>Yoda...supposedly the virtual embodiment of goodness.  Moreover, they did so

  The only people who deceived us were Lucas and his writers in RotJ.  The
whole idea of Darth as Luke's Father (IMO a bad idea to begin with) was
botched horribly.  

>with one purpose in mind...that being the advancement of their political agenda
>to overthrow the Imperial government.  Well, actually, Yoda just didn't say who
>Vader was...clearly he wasn't about to tell Luke his true identity.  You would
>think that it would have affected Luke's motivations just a tad.  It seems a
>LITTLE deceptive on Yoda's part.

>Makes you think about Jedi.

   I try to avoid that, if at all possible.

>And sacrifice my friends?
>If you honor what they fight for...yes.

>He was our only hope.
>Naw, we'll just get his sister to do it.
From: CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: request for opening text
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:09:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92232.210941CSS3
Organization: Penn State University

Did the person who wanted the opening text of the films find it? I have a book,
 The Art of Star Wars, which has the "A long time ago ..." opening text in it;
it's about a page long (in large type). I failed to "unmark" that posting so it
is no longer in my bulletin board directory and I must have gotten the address
wrong cuz when i tried to respond by  e-mail, it came back undeliverable. If yo
u still would like it, contact me (Mary Ann, wife of css3 listed above) at mqw5
@psuadmin (if you are on bitnet) or mqw5@ms.psu.edu (if you're on internet). I
can get e-mail but don't have access to this bull. bd. on my office system. If
message doesn't go thru, write my spouse at above address. thanks.
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:05:00 GMT

From article <1992Aug17.080812.29060@zoo.bt.co.uk>, by ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman):
> Quote:
> 
> AUNT BERU: Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his
> father in him.
> 
> OWEN: That's what I'm afraid of.
> 
> Point:
> Beru Knew Lukes father. (I think she was his sister)
> 
> Quote
> 
> LUKE: No, my father didn't fight in the wars. He was a navigator on a
> spice freighter.
> 
> BEN: That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your
> father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten
> involved.                                      ^^^^
> 
> Point:
> Unless Ben is lying yet again, Anakin Skywalker CAME FROM TATOOINE.
> Hiding Luke there would have been a prettu dumb idea, but for the fact
> no one was looking for him. What was hidden from Vader was the fact that
> his wife had had twins. Provided he wasn't looking, he wouldn't find them.
> Meantime, Luke is taken away from the mainstream to allow him to grow up
> unnoticed.
> 

	Please go watch an apparently little known movie called _Return
Of the Jedi_.  Among other things, it explains that Owen is BEN'S brother.
 
 TTYL
 Chris