HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: AOL for help (was Re: GEOS and PostScript)
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:04:27 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>Try the printing boards on the GeoWorks Hardware and Printing section on
>AOL.  There's a good deal of knowledge about this sort of thing floating
>around.

*sigh*  Not to bitch unnecessarily, but some of us - myself included - can 
(for real) NOT afford to use a for-pay online service, no matter how helpful
it is.  The barely-able-to-afford-a-phone-line-let-alone-toll-calls crowd. ;)

I would be very interested in learning

a) the AOL addresses of the Georeps (since I _can_ e-mail them through the
   AOL <-> Internet e-mail gateway, without spending money that I don't have
   to begin with).

b) whether the AOL Georeps will actually _give_ assistance to non-AOL users
   who mail them.  (if not, I understand, after all, it's not free for them
   either that I know of, and they can't be expected to serve every user who
   can gateway mail to them.)

c) whether GeoWorks has given any thought to providing some other sort of
   support (even just a UUCP e-mail drop would be better, for folks like me.

Thanks,

	-Shag
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: DOS AREA icons have been uploaded
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:52:16 GMT

I have upload the file PROICONS.ZIP to MIR.ECO.UTEXAS.EDU in the 
\inbasket directory.  It's the first time I've uploaded something to 
an FTP-site someone download it and see if it unzips properly?  
Thanks.
 
I wanted to use the icons that are found in the DOS PROGRAMS area of 
GeoWorks Pro.  I used the PC/GEOS screen dumper to take various 
snapshots of the icons in that area and then I clipped them into 
individual .PCX files.  Then I used ICONMAKE 1.0 by MARCUS GROEBER to 
convert the PCX files into PC/GEOS icons.
 
The resolution of the icons in the DOS PROGRAMS area were about 
65x45x16 and in order to convert the files into usable PC/GEOS icons 
their resolutions had to be reduced to 48x30x16.  This required a lot 
of tedious work, and in most cases the icons had to be completely 
redrawn.  Unfortunately, the icons often don't look as crisp as the 
originals but I think it was the best that could be done with the 
utilities available to me.
 
I often draw icons to suit my own needs -- I will upload them when I 
accumilate a large enough collection of quality icons.  I would 
appreciate any suggestions and ideas that you have for icons -- it's 
difficult to come up with ideas for new ones.
 
If you find the icons useful please drop me a line, or better yet, 
send me a postcard!  I'm always interested to how wide-spread this 
work becomes!
 
I should also mention, that I only made EGA versions of the icons and 
I don't know what they'll look like if you use PC/GEOS on a lesser 
quality monitor -- sorry.
 
Stephen L. Legge
333 Newfoundland Drive
St. John's, Newfoundland, CANADA
A1A 3R3
 
Internet: SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
 
PS. I was once told that I'm supposed to E-mail someone when uploading 
to MIR.  Could someone tell me who that is so I can write him?
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:02:48 GMT

In article <1ibjanINNbge@golem.wcc.govt.nz> harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <=0722y-@rpi.edu>, gilem@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>>Since windows nt and geos are not aimed at anywhere near the same market,
>>I don't think that the release dates being close is any problem.  What 
>>I do think is that os/2 2.1 (in beta now) is going to be very tempting
>>for those who can upgrade their pc's.  On another hand, as of mid december,
>>geos 2.0 had not entered the official beta program, as I was told on aol.
>
>I'm intrigued..., as I said in my other post, we have it on good authority that
>GEOS is due out 1st quater, and has long been in beta... cirtainly, the SDK
>beta has been going for some time, and how can one develop with no OS to run
>the programs on???????
>

What I meant by "official beta" was the full scale beta program.  The beta
that is going on now (sdk, and otherwise) has a very limited scope.  In my
opinion, this is more like a second alpha test, because it is so limited

>>The non-disclosure agreements should all be in by now, and the beta should
>>be going out this month (hopefully).
>
>What non-disclosure agreements?? (Not all of us can read AOL (Why did Geoworks
>have to pick an american system for support ? ))
>

I applied for the beta program early last summer, and just recieved official 
notice that I would be a beta tester (along with non-disclosure contract)
in november.  This indicates to me that the full beta is beginning soon.

>> In my opinion, I would guess 4th
>>quarter 93 before you see 2.0 on the market with significant apps. Of course
>>I could (hopefully) be wrong.
>
>4th quater... I *Hope* not... That would be later than many could stand.
>

this is just my educated guess

>>Mike
>>gilem@rpi.edu
>>
>>I have no official connection with geoworks, and therefore all stated is 
>>either opinion or hearsay.
>
>I sincerely hope It's just heresay.
>
>| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
>|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |

Mike
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GEOS 2.0 release date?
From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:55:02 GMT
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

We have been told that the release of GEOS 2.0 is due in 1st quater 1993.

Now that it *is* the 1st quarter of 1993 (just), does anyone (the long
suffering john perhaps?) know (and is able to tell) of some narrower time
frame.  I know Geoworks hates release dates par se, because they have gotten
such a reputation for being missed (they are fast becoming
recriperverse exculsons (ie the release date is the only one on which you can
*guarentee* that the product will never be released. :-) )).  However I would
think that by now Geoworks must have a fair idea of how far along the Beta
tests have gotten, so perhaps they could tell us whether the release is say,
three days away, or three months? 

I just hope that the release doesn't get run over by the WIn-NT jugarnaut,
which is also *due* out in 1st quarter, though Macoronisoft will doubtless miss
the deadline :-)

It'd be *nice* if it was out before the summer holidays are over, so that I get
a chance to play with it, before I have other things to concentrate on....

Always hoping for more info........ (anyting, realy!)

| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Michael Williams <mikew@hpwarga.wal.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Re: AOL for help (was Re: GEOS and PostScript)
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:39:21 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

>From: "John D. Mitchell" <johnm@cory.berkeley.edu>
> I said that the *GeoReps* are strictly
> volunteers.  There are a number of GeoWorks employees whose jobs involve
> the maintenance, support, and whatever other things that they do to provide
> support for GeoWorks products on AOL.

John,

Pardon me if this has already been answered, but will these GeoWorks
employees respond to inquiries from the Internet?

> As far as posting patches or other such things...  This discussion came up
> a long while back and the answer's the same.  It's a big pain in the butt,
> costs lots of money (in a plethora of ways) and isn't really the right
> thing to do.  Try thinking about it like this... GeoWorks could spend the
> time and money dealing with creating these patches, distributing them, and
> supporting them.  Or it can spend that same energy in creating the next
> version of the product (or new products or new/improved features...) and
> making that new version more robust, more usable, more powerful, etc. and
> come out that much sooner.  v2.0 exacerbates this problem because it's such
> a major change from v1.x.  At some point it just made/makes no sense to
> delay the main project by spending any energy on 'patches' to v1.x.

This argument would be a better one of Version 2 actually appeared
early; then people would see some benefit to not releasing patches.
Mid-term interim releases aimed at user-specified deficiencies are often
better than nothing at all, because it tends to keep people "happy" (as
long as these doesn't occur too often) in areas that matter the most.

--
Michael B. Williams
Hewlett-Packard Company
Medical Products Group
Waltham, MA 02254                    Prodigy: Dumped it
(617) 290-3734                       CompuServe: 73667,3264
mikew@hpwarga.wal.hp.com             America Online: Mike W99
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: 5 AM Deductive Logic (Re: Pentop Field Widening)
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:52:06 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson) writes:

>Jake-S@cup.portal.com (Jake G Schwartz) writes:

>>Casio Computers Co., Ltd. and Tandy Corporation
>>                Invite You To
>>                      a
>>             Technology Briefing
>>                    Of Our
>>                 Revolutionary
>>              Handheld, Pen-Based
>>           Personal Information Processor

>>It should be rather interesting to see if this is a "mee-too" of the 
>>Sharp 9600, or something entirely different.

>Maybe it has something to do with this?  If so, then it should be quite
>interesting.
>------------------------------------------------------------
>GeoWorks Joins Tandy and Casio to Develop New Family of Personal Information
>Processors; GEOS(R) to Become Soul of a New Machine

>LOS ANGELES, Calif., June 2, 1992 -- GeoWorks today formally announced that it
>will join Tandy Corporation,  of Fort Worth, Texas,  and Casio Computer Co.,
>Ltd. of Tokyo, Japan, in the development of a new generation of personal,
>portable information devices dubbed "Personal Information Processors." 

I'm not sure whether Brian is trying to make an understatement, or is still
recovering from New Year's Eve ;), or just didn't realize the significance 
of his own words, but "quite interesting" is putting it gently.

If the nice folks at the winter CES (or whatever-the-heck show it is) in Las
Vegas (notice how they never hold these rituals anywhere useful?) actually do
_anything_ (announce, show, demo, announce support for, give out freebies of)
with a palmtop running GEOS, well, a couple points should be made here, fast.

1) GWE 1.2 and GWPRO aren't supposed to run penstuff on palmtops.
2) GEOS 2.0 _is_ supposed to run penstuff on palmtops.

I'm getting onto thin ice on the next one, but...

3) Introduction of a product running GEOS 2.0 should be either _preceded_, or
   followed _very_ rapidly, by introduction of GEOS 2.0 itself.  (So as to
   keep owners of non-palmtops from becoming disgruntled or envious. ;)

So, the basic concept here is... either:

a) They're intro-ing a GeoPalmtop and (if they're sane) will intro GEOS 2.0
   with, or right after, it...

or:

b) They're intro-ing a palmtop that will run GEOS 2.0 when it's available, or
   has nothing to do with GEOS.


Needless to say, I'd like to see the palmtop and GEOS 2.0 both introduced at
the show, with as much fanfare and press coverage as possible.  Of course, I'd
also like to _go_ to the show, and I'd like a full developer's system, and I'd
like a certain brunette, and... oh well.  I can wish.

-Shag (who has been awake too long to be thinking like this!)

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From: quattro@thoki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Boente)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Filter/Converter
Keywords: Geoworks filter to Winword
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 16:28:01 -2
Distribution: world
Organization: Private Waffle Site

Hello...

has anyone heard about a filter or converter
geoworks write-files <==> ms winword????

I've the problem, that i've to convert several files the way
geoworks ==> winword.

ASCII is not usable, because there are many formatted things
in these geo-documents.

I would be pleased, if anyone can help me.



Gruss Thorsten.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: driggins@sctc.af.mil
Subject: Re:  Fun with disk-compression (Re: geos broken)
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:35:52 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

I don't think the SStor is the problem guys.  I first loaded Geos on my 
girlfriends Tandy 1000 (late 1984 vintage) after it had been DOS 5'ed and SStor'd.  It ran great, no problems.  A little over zealous use of the DOS 5.0 
file manager caused me to have to reload.  Other than being SLOW, it ran okay.
There may be a DRDOS readme that you're missing, but not likely.  Get in 
touch with the support folks at Geoworks.  They helped me out with a set of replacement diskettes post haste.

Drake
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GWE Engineers just kids?
Keywords: I hope it's not like everyone else's!
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:34:37 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy) writes:

>I read some message on Geoworks Fido net Echo that the Geoworks
>engineers were really young.  Is this true?  I mean I don't hold
>anything against a programmer just because he's a kid or something.
>If he has talent, it'll show, regardless of his age.  I'm
>pretty young too but I was just curious this little rumour.  It'll
>give me some motivation if it's true!

I seem to recall that Berkeley Softworks / GeoWorks has gotten a lot of
fresh talent out of the university (U Cal Berkeley)... basically, go to
UCB.  Study computers.  Learn assembly.  Learn OOPS.  Learn how to write
killer programs.  Graduate.  Proceed to GeoWorks.  Apply. :)

Note: Based on other UCB accomplishments (BSD Unix, for one), I strongly
approve of this! :)

-Shag

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From: besler@geop.ubc.ca (Steven Besler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: AOL for help (was Re: GEOS and PostScript)
Followup-To: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:21:47 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Geophysics & Astronomy
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gafs.geop.ubc.ca
Summary: AOL rippoff
Keywords: AOL

	I was also ripped off by AOL by not reading the
fine print about calling from Canada.  Did anyone actually find
the fine print which says you get charged for your "free" time?
I lost $58 dollars for my supposedly free trial.

IF YOU ARE FROM CANADA PLEASE REALIZE THAT YOU WILL BE CHARGED
OUTRAGEOUS SUMS OF MONEY BY AOL DURING YOUR "FREE" TRIAL TIME.

Steve Besler

PS perhaps we could band together and do something about this, like 
   get a refund.  Anyone interested? Send me email at:

x4y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Why Bounce doesn't crash GEOS (Re: AOL for help)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:58:38 GMT

In article <Jan.6.11.01.04.1993.5722@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>I think that's 'cos bounce just runs in what CPU is available.  Getting the
>CPU to go to 100% is easy - one bounce process should do that.  After that, 
>each bounce process gets (100/number-of-bounce-processes) percent.

Yep.  Good thing that bounce is just a *user* demo program rather than a
good programming one. :-? :-)

>(isn't this fun, having silly discussions?  I wonder if John will scold us ;)

[...Personal, lengthy, livid scolding for Shag deleted for space
reasons...]

:-),
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	@include <Disclaimer.shme>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Subject: DRDOS 6.0 vs. 6.01 for PRO, and "Import" (?)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 13:14:26 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

I just got the economy version of DRDOS 6.0 from Surplus Software ($29 + $4
"S + H") and want to install it with PRO on  a new laptop.[Unfortunately
the economy DRDOS comes only on 3.5" discs and since you have to install it
from your A drive, it won't go on my desktop]. Last year during part of the
DRDOS discussion someone talked about a 6.01 version.  If I communicate
with DRDOS themselves, what should I ask for?  If I don't get it how will
I know, when I run PRO?

A further question has to do with all the wonderful customizations, icons, etc.
that I have installed on my 1.2.  In order to carry these over to PRO, what
files or folders should I transfer?

As a further note on PRO, in a recent more private discussion on converting
pictures to GW backgrounds, the necessity of using "import" into a 
Scrapbook file was mentioned.  I went a little nuts trying to find "Import"
in all the folders, buttons, and icons, until I realized that this function
does NOT exist in the Scrapbook in 1.2.  It is only in PRO.

You've been warned.

Jeff
From: clar27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("j.forssell")
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: 24-hour info line notes
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:40:23 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

|> >The developer info didn't say much I didn't already know, except that the
|> >Systems Software Overview is 50 pages, costs $15 plus $2 shipping/handling
|> >(considering that one of the AOL geos info files I uploaded to the net was
|> >197 pages, I _really_ think this document, particularly if it's already in
|> >GeoWrite form, should be made electronically available.  Seriously.) and
|> [...]
|> 
|> The System Software Overview has been completely rewritten and was not done
|> in GeoWrite (I don't know why not either).  And no it won't be posted
|> electronically.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 	John

Do you know John why Geoworks is reluctant to supply information like this
electronically? Is it just because they don't want it to 'float around' and
get in to wrong hands or is it a way to make sure that only the people with
enough interest (to pay) will use it?

About the cost for the SDK documentation, is that charged by GeoWorks to cover
for their printing costs? I can`t see a reason for earning money on a thing like
that.

How about Macrosoft and IBM, do they supply similar manuals elecronically?

Cheers,

/Jonas Forssell 
Strathclyde University, Scotland
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From: ppaglia@bnr.ca (Peter Paglia P925)
Subject: GeoWorks CD-ROM and soundcard manager (?!)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:02:07 GMT


I just saw an ad for the new Sony CD-ROM package, one of the disks
it contains (new for '93) is the :

GeoWorks CD-ROM and soundcard manager

It's listed in the latest Cruchfield (SP?) consumer electronic 
catalog. (they specialize in car stereo)

Does anyone (who is NOT bound by a non-disclosure agreement, of
course :) have any more on this?
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:24:37 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>In article <=7926w@rpi.edu> gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>>I applied for the beta program early last summer, and just recieved official 
>>notice that I would be a beta tester (along with non-disclosure contract)

>Hmm... Aren't you violating the non-disclosure contract?  Whether or not
>....if you have agreed to its terms then you should abide by them.

What if he didn't send back the non-disclosure agreement yet, John?  Until
he signs it, he's not bound by it, right? ;)

devil's advocating,

-Shag

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: GEOS and PostScript
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:47:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.055043.17737@usl.edu> wcs0830@ucs.usl.edu (Segura
William C) writes:
[... Postscript printing hell...]
>I tried contacting GeoWorks through AOL but have had no luck.  I guess
>GeoWorks is not that familiar with printing PS files on a Sun Network.
[...]
Try the printing boards on the GeoWorks Hardware and Printing section on
AOL.  There's a good deal of knowledge about this sort of thing floating
around.

Good luck,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	My opinions are mine.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.

P.P.S.	Postscript(tm) fiels are not nearly as portable as Adobe would like
	everyone to believe.  There's all sorts of silly (and some not)
	differences in various implementations.  And, of course, producing
	portable Postscript filds can be a challenge (PS files *are*
	program :-).
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