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From: rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert C Allender)
Subject: Re: The inevitable question
Originator: rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:48:18 GMT

From article <EMERY.92Jul27111003@Dr_No.mitre.org>, by emery@Dr_No.mitre.org (David Emery):
> Perl is a neat language, but it's substantially less
> readable/understandable/maintainable than C, from what I've seen...  
> 
> The hallmark of COBOL systems is maintenance.  That's because they
> tend to last a very long time.  A language that does not
> provide/support software understandability and maintenance is not an
> adequate replacement for COBOL.  
> 
> 				dave

I agree 100%.  COBOL does wonders with DP and that's why it's here now
and forever, but I _sure_ wouldn't want to write a word processor or a
windows application in it!  Thus, C and Pascal will always have their
place.

Is there a good Perl book out?  I regret to admit that I've never used
it, but I would like to read up on it.

-Rob Allender   rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
-- 




Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:06:06 -0400 
From: Ray Scott <ray+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Text Books

I would be interested knowing what COBOL text books people have been
using lately to teach COBOL.  Please respond to me directly and I'll
summarize for the group.  It might help if some characterization of the
course could be given when replying.  For instance:
        Beginner - no prior programming experience
        New Language - students have a minimal (1 class) programming
                                           background
         Advanced - experienced programmers, looking for a new language

Thanks.
				J. Ray Scott
				Instructor, Introduction to COBOL
				Carnegie Mellon
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: psilva@cecux1 (SILVA OSORIO PABLO WASHINGTON)
Subject: there is nothing!!! :)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:52:39 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion - Universidad de Chile

No pasa nada :)!!!
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: The inevitable question
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
     <Bs2r39.Hot@snuffy.wa.atk.com> <1992Jul28.112336.1232@email.tuwien.ac.at>
     <1992Jul28.092805.392@mec.ohio.gov>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:15:49 GMT

The answer to the question about VAX COBOL allowing you to use lower-case
is that all COBOL 85 compliant compilers must allow lower-case .

One chap wanted to know how much experience people here had.  I started
working on COBOL compilers in 1964 (before that it was puched cards
and 1401 autocoder).  I've written thousands of COBOL programs, and used
at least a dozen other languages.  I still think COBOL is great for the 
stuff for which it was designed (business applications).

Don Nelson
COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
nelson_don@comm.tandem.com
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: laura@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Laura M. Edwards)
Subject: Re: bridal veils
Keywords: yards of stuff
Organization: Vanderbilt University Space Electronics Research Group
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:53:09 GMT

My mom made my bridal hat a few years ago.  We were also appalled at
the prices in the shops, so we "examined" a few while we were shopping.
(She also made my sister's veil).

Essentially they were big ovals, folded over to make the blusher and hanger.
I know that's not quite correct nomenclature, but....

For my sister's, which was a traditional two layer veil with a "pouf" at the
top, we cut a long oval, folded over about a third, and stitched it to a 
comb.  The pouf was made from stiffer netting, and folded like a fan and
stitched on.

My hat started as a hat form from a local shop.  Mom covered the whole thing
with tulle, and the first three attempts at the crown cover became roses
to go on the back :)  The veil was done the same way as my sister's, then
the connecting seam was covered with the previously mentioned roses.
On the front of the hat, we put a lace medallion that matched the bridesmaids
dresses.  She probably put twenty hours of live-and-learn time in it.

anyway, it looked great, and my husband liked it!

Hope this makes sense....

Laura


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From: 2810153@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Anastasia Silver)
Subject: Re: Fitting
Organization: Queens University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:33:58 GMT

In article <ANNE.92Jul29100749@dolores.Stanford.EDU>
anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson) writes:
 
>I'm returning to sewing after a twenty-year hiatus.
 
Welcome back!  :)
 
>allowed.  So how do I know how to alter?  Oh, and how come every single
>pattern calls for shoulder pads?  When I wear shoulder pads, I look
>like a full back.
 
I have a similar problem - wide, square shoulders.  I just don't bother
with the shoulder pads, and I end up taking a lot of them out of clothes
I've bought.  Try any shirts/dresses on before you put the shoulder pads
in and see if you need them.  If you don't, leave them out.  Seems to
work just fine...
 
--
Anastasia Silver, AKA Bronze Tigress
Mail to: SILVERI@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
(replies to 2810153 get bounced)
These are my opinions, not QUCDN's
Newsgroups: alt.sewing,alt.fashion
From: grahama@bnr.ca (Graham Ashby)
Subject: Re: Kurdish Pants
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:27:50 GMT

Well here are the replies I recieved..
I`ll investigate the commercial catalogs first since that seems the 
easiest route.

Thanks everyone.

-- 
Graham Ashby     grahama@bnr.ca

-------------------------
From: Suchitra Balachandran <suchitra@augustus.physics.unc.edu>

Hi,
   I haven't seen the NG but perhaps they're like the Indian/Pakistani salwar.
There is no outside seam - its cut on the fold.  The inside seam is tapered
from the ankle to the crotch and it then straight to the hip.  So that you
don't have to gather up the waist and have a 12 ft (!) long drawstring to      
contend with, you can gather it up at the hip and then have a wide "waistband"
from hip to waist.  This waistband shouldn't be tight - you'll still have to
tie it on with a drawstring like pyjamas.  The ankle is narrow and is
stiffened (say the bottom 2-3").  Does any of this make sense?
 
Suchitra Balachandran

---------------------------
From: alg@cs.cornell.edu (Anne Louise Gockel)
     
The (long long out of print) book _Oriental Clothing_ by Maggie Malone has a
graph-paper pattern for a similar pants based on an Indian design.  (The book
might be called _Maggie Malone's Oriental Clothing_.)  I suspect Folkwear may  
have a similar pattern. 

        
Threads & Folkwear Patterns
Taunton Press
63 South Main Street
Box 355 
Newtown, CT 06470-9959
1-800-888-8286
$24/year in Jan 1992 for Threads; $2 for a Folkwear catalog

---------------------------
From: Linda Hunt <hunt@uadp1.larc.nasa.gov>
     
There are very similar unisex patterns in the commercial pattern books, McCalls/
Butterick.  Have fun!       
 
Linda 
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: A supportive partner is worth their weight in (your media here).
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:32:19 GMT


Dear Meg;


  Your description of Vincent sounds wonderful.  It's finally clicked
something in the back of my head as to why I and my SO are never able
to get around to "MY" sewing and "MY" writing and "HER" books and
"HER" horses.

  Instead of fussing about not being able to do "my" things, I'll try
being more concerned about what we, as a couple, are doing as individuals.
If my SO were interested in spending more time with her projects, I'd
have more time for my own, and we'd spend less time being disfunctional
in front of the TV :)

  Thanks for the insight.  Ciaran Benson.


Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: neile@milton.u.washington.edu (Neile Graham)
Subject: Natural Fiber Fabric Club address
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:29:06 GMT

Sorry I didn't include this in my earlier posting.  I have the info at
hand now.

Natural Fiber Fabric Club
P.O. Box 1063 
South Plainfield, NJ  07080

Customer Service:  1-908-755-61 (that's what they list, anyway)
24 Hour FAX:       1-908-755-6531
Order toll-free:   1-800-999-2SEW

Hope you like then as much as I do.

--
neile@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Fabric clubs
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:50:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

I've seen several adverts in Threads and Sew News for `fabric clubs'.

I'm interested mostly in natural fabrics, some high-quality synthetics,
in Summer and Winter weights, mostly in the brown/orange/russet/yellow
range.

Can anyone tell me about any of the clubs? Which are worth joining and,
equally valuably, which are a waste of time and money?

Sally Holmes
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From: smbrook@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Connie S. Fairman)
Subject: Re: tips on sewing wedding veils
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 22 Jul 1992 13:13 EDT  

< much stuff about making veils deleted>

I made my veil, too.  I used a pattern (sorry, don't know the number,
but I can check it for you, if you are interested).  It was pretty 
simple and I got lots of compliments on it (but what bride doesn't?).
It had 3 layers of netting (illusion), different lengths, gathered at
the top and attached to a comb.  You could also use a barrette (sp?)
if you wanted.  Then it had a spray of silk flowers at the top.  I
also added some of those pearls they have in the bridal dept. on 
heavy plastic fibers (whatever you call them) between the layers of
netting.  The edges were finished with 1/8" ribbon.  The pattern
said to sew it on, but I didn't know how to sew at the time, so I 
used craft glue instead.  The ribbon added body and kept the raw
edges from getting stuck in the other layers.  My wedding was less
than a year ago, so I don't know if the glue will last long.  If you
have the patience and skill to sew on thin ribbon, I would recommend 
that over glue.  The most expensive things were the flowers and the
pearls, but if you have time, you can wait for the sales.  I was
shocked at the prices of the veils in the bridal shops, too.  It 
took about a day to make (allowing time for the glue to dry), and
I would say $20-30 worth of materials, depending on the flowers you`
use.  One nice idea would be to consult your florist and see if (s)he
has some ideas for real flowers.  You could have him/her attach them
to a separate comb for you and just put it in on top of the veil.

Sorry this is so long.  Let me know if you need the pattern number.  And
have fun with the wedding plans!

				Connie
				~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Is there a genetic component to needlework?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:26:13 GMT

In article <BrG4r5.Mww@world.std.com> nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds) writes:

>What do other spouses/SO's think of living with a person oriented towards
>crafts?
>
>--Nancy Reynolds
>
My husband thinks it's GREAT!  He is my greatest fan, support and critic.
He praises my work and gives me more ideas than I have time to do.  He
never runs out of ideas, I just run out of time.  

If I'm working on a project that needs more than two hands he's always
there.  No matter what I need in the way of equipment, etc. he's always
the one that says "go buy it, you deserve it".  If something can be made
to make my project easier, go faster, etc. he's always there to make it.
I can't tell you how many motors he went thru to make me a "spin art"
of my own. And now it sits in a corner on our deck while other projects
temporarily take up my time.

When I started doing "Arts & Crafts" shows he built me portable racks to
display my shirts that were easy for me to carry, to setup and dismantle,
and were well balanced so they wouldn't fall over if a wind came up.

He takes great pride in the projects I do.  When I'm admired and praised
for my many late nights work he stands back and let's me have center
stage.  With a secret smile and wink he lets me know he's proud of me,
proud of what I do, and proud to have me as his wife.  When someone
admires and comments on his tuxcedo accessories his chest darn near
pops his studs and he says "My wife made them for me."

I've had a dream project in the back of my mind for sometime.  I talked
about it all the time.  Finally he said, "Go for it."  And I said,
"What if it doesn't fly?"  He said, "Then at least you'll know you tried."

So come this Saturday, July 25, 1992, I'm taking the big step!  I'm
scared stiff.  I can't tell you how many times I've almost called it
off.  But there's this invisible force (6' 1") standing beside (not
behind) me saying "Go for it". 

Yes, my husband, my friend, my partner and my soulmate thinks what
I do is GREAT!  He doesn't mind the mess and disorder.  He did question
the little individual sequins on the toilet seat one morning after I
had stayed up late one hot night working in a pair of shorts on a 
project. 

Please wish me good luck on Sat.  And I'll let you all know how it turns
out.  In fact some of you might be interested in it.  I sure hope so.
That would be the "proof of the pudding" the "Oscar" the "Recognition of
my peers" the "Gold".

I really enjoy this group.  Keep it comin'

Fran Peterson

F [:)





Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: sewell@ucs.ubc.ca (Linda Sewell)
Subject: sewing
Organization: UCS at University of British Columbia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:47:46 GMT

 
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: "maryann carolan" <maryann@mail.psi.net>
Subject: Patterns
Organization: psi
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:48:17 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.11)

Does anyone know of a good pattern for making the "Old World Santa's"
I am an experienced sewer but working with fur etc will be trickey.  I
am looking for the most detailed pattern.  Also, if anyone knows where I
can buy real porcelin for the head, hands and feet that would be helpful.

Thanks,

mary-ann carolan
Newsgroups: alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles
From: mne@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Mark Ellingham)
Subject: Re: yarn storage
Keywords: Computer
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:21:59 GMT

>One other comment about yarn storage: I found out, to my sorrow, that
>cedar mothproofing loses its oomph after about a year.  I have a gorgeous
>pale blue sweater with a tiny hole (right in the front, of course) even
>though it was stored with cedar blocks.  Sob!  I hope this saves someone
>else from a similar loss.
>
>Eleanor Midkiff
>cfeem@eiu.edu

I am terribly sorry for your loss, but cedar blocks do need to be
restored from time to time.  To do this, simply sand down to
fresh wood.  This should also be done in cedar chests and cedar
closets periodicaly.  Whenever you notice the cedar odor getting
faint, a little sandpaper can freshen it up in no time.  

-- 
	Carlin Sappenfield - Science Library, Vanderbilt University
	sappenc@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu       sappenc@vuctrvax.bitnet
From: am2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anne Marguerettaz)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Bridal Veil Material
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:01:27 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I know someone was asking for bridal veil patterns not long ago but my
concern is the material. The patterns I have call for tulle or some
similar material but I am not sure how stiff the veil is supposed to be.
There are different types of material that I saw advertised as bridal
veil material in fabric stores but none looked similar to what was used
on the couple of already made veils that can be found in bridal salons. 
So if anybody out there has any suggestions and precise description or
name of the material I should look for, please let me know.

Thanks,

Anne.
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell)
Subject: Re: Necessity is ...
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:15:43 GMT
Keywords: Thanks!

cfeem@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Eleanor Midkiff) writes:

>Thanks to Jan and others for the bowtie idea.  My son is 6'3",
lifts
>weights, and has a terrible time tying his only bowtie
(store-bought)
>because his neck is so big.  So do bowtie patterns come in sizes? 
Does
>anyone have any idea how long a bowtie should be for *large* men?

My husband's bowtie pattern has different cutting lines marked for
the back seam, based on the measurement of the neck in inches.  So
the larger part that is in front is the same.  You just make it
longer on the narrow part to fit the neck.  If you have a pattern
that does not allow for this, or it does not allow enough for your
son's neck, measure the length of the pattern from the back seam
line to the place where it starts to get wider.  That should be
enough to get half way around the neck, plus just a bit more.
(maybe an extra inch on each half)

Cyndi
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: davemill@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (d.m.miller)
Subject: Bernina 1530 review
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Indian Hill South - Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:49:00 GMT
Keywords: disappointed

This past weekend, my wife and I looked at the new Bernina 1530.  To be
honest, we were disappointed.  All of the front panel push buttons of the
previous models have been replaced with a track ball for your right thumb,
two push button for your finger tips, and an LCD display screen.  Since
my wife is a lefty, the track ball was clumsy.  I cannot believe a newly
introduced product would have made a mistake like this.

In my opinion, the LCD screen had poor graphics.  A decorative stitch
could be displayed, but the display never changed if the stitch was
elongated or inverted.  This means you had to sew a sample to see what
you were going to get.

The software would not prevent the user from doing something stupid.
It allowed block letters to be elongated and then sewed a letter that
was hardly recognizable.  I can imagine many fixes to the software, but
you will never get them with out a trip back to the repair shop for new
firmware chip.  There are no plug in cartridges, no disks, no computer
interface, no memory cards, just no way to update what you have.

Once you look beyond the new front panel, I do think it is built on the
same chassis as the 1120, 1130, and  1230 models.  This does mean that
the 1530 will give the same stitch quality that Bernina's are known for.

In my opinion, if you want a Bernina, get a 1230. 

					Just my opinion, 
					Dave Miller

Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Tips on making bridal veils
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:25:42 GMT

In article <1eHd03Qa3e0F00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> rita@uts.amdahl.com (Rita Cherukure) writes:
>
>Is there anyone who has tips on where, how to start making one?
>I am thinking of checking out the fabric stores as a starting point. Are
>there any magazines or the like that I can refer to ? If there is enough
>interest, I will post a summary.
>


There are patterns by McCalls, Simplicity, etc. for all kinds of bridal
accessories.  

You might want to try New York Fabrics on Stevens Creek by Vallco.  The
bridal dept manager as well as one other clerk that are extremely helpful.

If your friend and her bridesmaides need ideas about shoes I can help there.
I teach how to cover old shoes with fabric to match or compliment a dress or
outfit. I also have a video you can purchase if you don't have time to wait
for my class, which is August 22.

The video is actually taken in a class.  It allows you to watch it at your
leisure and also have it there as reference as you work on your shoes.

If you think this is something you and/or your friend would be interested
in I can be reached email fran@Cadence.com / 408-248-7087 (evenings).

Good luck with the veil.

Fran Peterson

F [:)

Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Fitting
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: alt.sewing
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:07:49

I'm returning to sewing after a twenty-year hiatus.  Partly it's
because I want to save money sewing for my two-year-old, partly
because I like to sew quilts, and partly (the subject of this message)
so I can finally have clothes that fit.

I'm not at all a standard size;  I guess this is pretty common.  I
made the Palmer-Pletsch McCall's pants-fitting pattern, which is
great.  When I first made the pattern, I despaired.  It didn't fit at
all.  But I just followed the directions, and, after making about
seven major changes (adding or subtracting inches to pattern pieces),
the pants fit fine.  The pattern includes not only a basic pant
pattern, but a nice trousers (looser) pattern as well, 
so now I have a pants template. 

But what can I do about shirts?  Even if I did make a basic
dress/shirt pattern, how would that help me?  All the patterns I would
want to make (indeed, all the patterns in the catalogs) have extended
shoulders and shoulder pads.  Since I have wide, square shoulders and
a broad back, I have to make major alterations in the shoulder and
armhole.  But the pattern tissues don't mark where the natural
shoulder ends, and they don't tell how much design ease they've
allowed.  So how do I know how to alter?  Oh, and
how come every single pattern calls for shoulder
pads?  When I wear shoulder pads, I look like a fullback.

I have and recommend the Singer Library fitting book, so I know in
principle how to alter shoulders.  But in practice, unless the style
is very fitted, it's difficult.  I really don't want to draft my own
patterns, but I'm beginning to think it would be just as easy as
altering boughten ones.

Surely there must be lots of people who are not standard sizes.  What
do you guys do?

-- Anne Paulson
anne@dolores.stanford.edu
From: marj@soap.ksu.ksu.edu (Marjorie P Devlin)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: fabric/craft stores in columbus,ohio
Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:52:52 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: soap.ksu.ksu.edu

  Looks like our family is headed to Columbus,Ohio for vacation.  While
we are there, I thought I would check out their fabric/craft stores.	
Does anyone know of any ones that I should go and visit in that area??	

                                       Marjorie Devlin
                                       Computing and Network Services
                                       Kansas State University
                                          marj@soap.ksu.ksu.edu

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