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From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Subject: Re: Iran bombs "guerilla" bases in Iraq
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:03:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.202815.2675@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

>> [David F. Skoll's stuff deleted...sorry David]


I have substituted PLO for the MKO (amond other relavent)changes:
 watch this....

>. I believe that the Palestinian Liberation Organization is a violent
>oppresive party which has its own interest placed well above that of the
>Palestinian people. On the occasions that the PLO has infiltrated Israel, it
>is my understanding that not [all*] the local villagers have embraced them as
>liberators nor cooperated with them and consequently the PLO have killed
>many of them as Israeli sympathizers. . .  The violence that they carried out
>against Israeli embassies and missions throughout Europe and South America
>and Asia,  the taking of hostages at various times for a
>while, the killing of Israeli Athletes,etc. is testimony to the nature of
 this organization. 

	[Stuff deleted]. 

* I added 'all' to make the statment more truthful.


You see the MKO and the PLO are bery similar in tactics, yet I have never seen
Brad criticize the PLO.  I guess since Israel isn't the target of the MKO,
it's bad.

								-Manu

>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)


-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            

Do unto others before they do unto you.
I'd rather be in Paris than here.
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: talks.politics.mideast
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:00:08 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <1992Apr13.122107.20592@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.002009.24291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
>ai726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alice Schubach) writes:
>
>First she quotes somebody:
>
>>>For your own information,if you were sleeping and just woke up, almost
>>>most of the arabs recognized Israel, otherwise they would not be at 
>>>the Peace Conference. It is Shamir's turn to get serious about it
>>>and get it moving.
>
>>For YOUR own information, the only Arab country that has recognized
>>Israel is Egypt. That was during the administration of President Jimmy
>>Carter, when Sadat took the daring step of going to Jerusalem to make
>>peace. The Arabs are at the peace conference, but they definitely have
>>not recognized Israel. This is simply a fact and is not a matter of dispute.
>
>An interesting example:  Several Arab countries (in addition to Saudi
>Arabia and Kuwait, let alone Syria) have recently insisted that other
>countries that have telephone connections with Israel that therefore allow
>calls from Israel to go through to these Arab countries, to cut that phone
>service.
>
>I'd hardly call that recognition....
>-- 
>Sam Saal      homxb!saal OR saal@homxb.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton


It is probably because of the Likud party hard line position in the peace talks.
Saudi Arabia attended one part of the peace conference just to get the peace
conference going. I hope that the "PEACE NOW" movement ideas will be utilized at
the peace conference.

By the way, I respect Rita Howser for her positive attitude toward the Arab-Jews
co-existance in the Middle East.

Nabil
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: The Jews of Syria
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  9 Apr 92 20:47:30 GMT

Did you know...

A special branch of the Syrian secret police, the Makhabarat, is
assigned exclusively to monitor the Jewish communitiy's activities.

No Jewish emigration from Syria is permitted. If caught, those attempting
to leave "illegally" are imprisoned without charge or trial, and face
harsh interrogation and torture.

Only the identity card of Jews are marked with an indication of religion.

Jews have no voting rights, not can they be candidates in an elections.
Mail from abroad is censored. Telephone calls are monitored.

Jews are prohibited from working for the government and their right to
inherit of dispose of personal and real property is severely resticted.

Moslem directors are appointed by the government to supervise Jewish
schools. There are no training facilities for rabbis, and the community
must depend on outside sources fo Jewish books and ritual objects.

Those few Jews permitted to travel abroad (e.g. medical emergencies) must
not only pay large sums of money, but must leave family members behind
as a gurantee of prompt return.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jewish Students Assaulted
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:19:45 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Apr15.192045.4512@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>
>	I think that the Palestinians are asking for trouble by throwing
>stones and therefore deserve to be shot.

Monsieur Manu, this statement surpasses any of your previous racist comments.

Thank you for revealing your true colours.  And I am glad to know that not
all Jews/pro-Israelis share your same pathetic views.  If you wanted to slander
people on an individual level (as you did with me by suggesting that I have
an enormous uterous when I signed my name 'ohmjihad'), that is one thing - and
thank God that you don't live close by - but to call on the destruction of all
people for openly rejecting and rebelling against their oppressors is another.

Maybe you need several sessions of Jens Peter's moving sermons or a dose of
reality in the Occupied Territories.

Wake up and smell the strong, bitter kahowa.

Anisa
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Answer to Johann's question
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:27:38 GMT
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Apr5.064234.2043@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>In article 14545@vela.acs.oakland.edu, rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ilan U. Woll) writes:
>>As a result, the 
>>Balfour Conference partitioned Jordan into 2 countries.  One of them was 
>>an independant Palestinian state and the other Israel. 
>>
>>Ilan U. Woll
>
>Congratulations, Ilan!  You have won the TPM Prize for the most
>innovating rewriting of history for the first quarter of 1992.
>
>Brendan.

When I saw that there are 2 postings on this thread and on was Brendan's,
I guessed that the first one had something to do with Jordan.  Sure enough,
I was right, and it fired up Brendan's knee-jerk Defend-Jordan-Always 
response.  

Brendan seems to have a pet project, Israel-is-Palestine.  It's a funny 
one, though.  Even Palestinean Arabs do not deny that Jordan encompasses
much of Palestine.  If Brendan hasn't seen any better re-writing of 
history on TPM in recent weeks, then perhaps he actually supports
much of the garbage produced by the Holocaust Revisionists and the 
Muslim Students Union, or whoever they were.  Or perhaps, he just
has this religious thing about Israel-is-Palestine.

-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Israel Vents Frustration On Villages
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:09:47 GMT


According to the Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran (9022 kHz,
2330-0030 UTC, April 8, 1992) Israeli occupationary forces in Lebanon
made a failed attempt to take a strategic position designated as hill
#910. Lebanese resistence forces repelled the attack and killed one
soldier, wounded several others and destroyed much military equipment of
the occupationary forces. In retaliation for this failure Israeli guns
were turned on three villages in Lebanon and they were shelled. Israeli
jets also terrorized the cities of Tyre and Nabatiyeh for several hours
by making repeated passes over the areas and breaking the sound barrier. 

Brad Hernlem
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: diaz@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Rafael Diaz)
Subject: Re: ARAFAT ALIVE-PLO BLAMES MOSSAD?!?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.170102.207072@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.142507.16215@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>>
>>Also, the PLO has publically thanked George Bush personally for his help in finding
>>Mr. Arafat (although the US claims that they did not aid in efforts to find the plane).

	The White-House spokeswoman was asked "Why Bassam Abu-Sharif thanked the
 	U.S. for finding the missing plane when NO such action ever was committed?"

	Margaret Tatwiller (sp?) replied: " I don't know what that person (Bassam Abu-Sharif)
					    is talking about!".

	Which brings my point, that the PLO is trying very very hard to improve
	its prestige in the Western world.
>>
>>This is a nice attempt to try to show the PLO and the US as friends, but Charles Beiglater
>>of CNN even agrees that it may have been in the US's best interests to see this man 
>>dead.
>
>Reporters are often idiots. I'd like to know what your opinions on the 
>U.S.'s best interests are.

	This is funny, I thought you people thinks reporters are always correct. It
	seems to me that you are using the reporters information only when it suits 
	your cause.
>

>>Gedaliah Friedenberg
>Anwar Mohammed

Rafy
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From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Mark's put both feet in his mouth and tried to jog
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:50:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr7.195058.27597
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Apr5.085151.6858@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.002822.1649@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>>
>>   We're still waiting.  Are you claiming that Arabs denounce 
>>terrorist acts, but they just do it secretly?  
>
>No; he, and I, are claiming that Arabs denounce terrorist acts
>openly. It's just not the Arabs with a level of prominence likely
>to get them in the newspapers.
>
>>What kind of shit 
>>do think the world will believe?  You are so full of shit, you
>>could fertilize the world with your crap!  
>
>Mark, you're embarrassing the people who started on your side, and
>hurting your own case with this kind of insulting garbage. You threw
>an unwarranted fit, got a more courteous answer than you deserved (from
>Anwar; I can't say about mine, I may have lost my temper), and are com-
>pounding the offense not only by repeating it, but by demonstrated that
>you haven't understood a word of a simple and rational argument.

I have to agree with Nora here, Mark.  It's gotten pretty embarassing,
especially when you consider that others have been having a pretty
interesting philosophical debate on other facets of that line.

>>Since the distintion
>>between 'Arab' and 'prominent Arab' is so important, why have'nt
>>YOU denounced any terrorist acts committed against Jews?  
>
>He has. In answer to a challenge that I posted, which I've cited
>for you and can quote if you want. He also sandblasted me for 
>assuming he wouldn't be prepared to denounce it and so making him
>go through the process of denouncing every idiotic statement and
>action any Arab makes -- I have some disagreements with him over
>that, but I'll give you the quote if you want it.
>
>Or you could take the word of someone who's fairly well-known to
>be about as pro-Zionist as you are, just a bit more effective at
>it and, if your recent articles are any clue, a whole lot saner.

Since I'm one of those who has acknowledged this in the past, I assume
this is a veiled reference to me (and, from memory, several others)

Rest deleted.


-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman  <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> or <eric@lyra.Colorado.EDU> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bgdv706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:29:39 GMT
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Apr14.232530.13550@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
} In article <JIME.92Apr14171250@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu# 
} jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

} #Next, perhaps someone should post some comments on the religious
} #restrictions placed on Jews in East Jerusalem during the Jordanian
} #tenure.  I would find this an interesting topic.
} 
} What Jews? How many Jews were in East Jerusalem before the six-day war?
} Anyone has a number?


	Yes. He plays as a center for the Celtics.

 
} -Danny Keren.
} 
} [I have restricted this to t.p.m were it belongs]


Noam
From: mgoller@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Goller)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: The Great Silence (semi-condensed version)
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:11:04 GMT
Distribution: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati


	Fouad Ajami has an excellent article in the NEW REPUBLIC,
the issue entitled "The End of Arab Nationalism."  It is 
fascinating and very well worth the read. Highly reccommended to all.

	Mgoller
(but you can call me the avenging seraph...)
p.s. the issue came out not long after the Gulf War so you will have
yo check the library to find it.
From: bgdv706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Marwan GET A LIFE
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:26:44 GMT
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Apr15.041306.3174@midway.uchicago.edu>, gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
} In article <14680@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey) writes:
}}Leon (144 to a) Gross provided the reference:
}}
}}Don't worry, Leon, my hostility is always reserved for those who earn it.
}}All I will say yo you is Thank you for the info.  While I still have question
}}as to who broke the story (in other words, who did CBS get the footage from)?
}}The imagery seems likely to have been from an Arabic crew, but then again,
}}Israeli security did some extremely awful things, and this is not out of the 
}}realm of possibility.  I stand by my prior comments on the piece, and pose
}}the following questions to Marwan?
} 
} I won't speak for Marwan, but CBS filmed it themselves.
} I really don't know if Arab camera crews work in the West Bank.  Most
} Arab countries do not have relations with Israel, so their reporters
} don't operate in Israel or the territories.


	I think the camera man was an Israeli (Moshe Alpert, as far
	as I can remember).


} 
}}-- 
}}Ross Starkey                         "Of course you know, this means WAR." 
}}rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu        "This whole thing is goony, I shou'da
}}                                      stood in bed!"  "Gruesome, isn't it?"
}}FIGHT DICTATORSHIP!  VOTE!!!!                                  --Bugs Bunny
} 
} Leon Gross
} I'm not an actor, but I play on TV.



Noam

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Subject: LYING BY OMISSION!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:42:51 GMT


Brendan, when you claim that you responded to my original post, 
that claim is as incomplete as your knowledge about the Middle 
East!  I raised the issue of the Arab world rejecting the UN plan
to partition the region into TWO states. One was to be Jewish, and
the other a Palestinian State.  I brought up the issue that this
new Palestinian state would have been much larger than the areas
that are currently under question.  I brought up the issue that
the Arab world rejected the partition, and instead attacked the Jews
killing about 6,000.  And I raised the issue that now that the Jews
have created a land of milk and honey out of nothing, the Arabs
have changed their minds about the area, and want to take what the
Jews have built up.  I do not recall you responding to ANY of
these points.  Since you have avoided these historical FACTS in
your stupid anti-Israel diatribes, one can easily conclude that you
are an historical LIAR.  Are you sure you are not connected with
the illustrious IHR.  You sound like an IHR type.  You smell like
an IHR type.  And with your eagerness to ignore the above facts,
among others, it is clear that your posturing as one concerned with
the Palestinian people is bullshit that you use to TRY to cover up
your hatred of Israel.  Since your ramblings are unfettered by the
ravages of fact that don't support your view, why don't you try to
join the Klan, or the skinheads.  In this debate, you are in over
your empty, bigoted head!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Subject: Re: Jewish Students Assaulted
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:06:45 GMT

In article <2813@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.192045.4512@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>>
>>	I think that the Palestinians are asking for trouble by throwing
>>stones and therefore deserve to be shot.
>
>Monsieur Manu, this statement surpasses any of your previous racist comments.

	Mademoiselle Anisa, I find it rather suspicious that you deleted the
'Seriously' that I wrote after that statement as a segue into my next 
sentence.  It was a sarcastic remark.  And pray tell, Mdaemoiselle, what
other 'racist comments' have I made?  

>
>Thank you for revealing your true colours.  And I am glad to know that not
>all Jews/pro-Israelis share your same pathetic views.  If you wanted to slander
>people on an individual level (as you did with me by suggesting that I have
>an enormous uterous when I signed my name 'ohmjihad'), that is one thing - and
>thank God that you don't live close by - but to call on the destruction of all
>people for openly rejecting and rebelling against their oppressors is another.


	As I said before I did not mean the statement.  It an analogy to
demonstrate the ridiculous statement that the Jews who took the photos
were asking for trouble.  I have not called upon the destruction of the
Palestinians-- that is insane in both word and deed.
	Obviously you are very paranoid and/or have no sense of humor.  Not
only that but you have now threatened me more than once, with hints of
violence.  Is this the only method you can resort to?

>
>Maybe you need several sessions of Jens Peter's moving sermons or a dose of
>reality in the Occupied Territories.
>
Maybe you need several sessions of an English writing course, with an
emphasis on sarcasm and humor.



							-Manu

>Anisa
>


-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            
Do unto others before they do unto you.
"The future of the Arabs of Palestine was sacrificed to Egyptian politics"
						-Sir John Bagot Glubb
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.history,soc.culture.german
Subject: Do You Always Watch The Irrelevants, 'Lars?'
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:33:00 GMT


<FISCHER.92Apr14235943@thor.iesd.auc.dk>
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)

Mutlu>  Let me guess, you are an intellectual sociopath, indifferent
Mutlu> to truth, perhaps just another propagandist frozen in the 1970s
Mutlu> like a fly in amber, combining moral arrogance with historical
Mutlu> ignorance.

>Well, Hasan, you're improving. Not at all at the level of Oleg or
>Mikhail, but still, the above is pretty hilarious. Good flow, the odd
>obscure word, surreal accusations. 

Are you slipping into a coma, 'Lars?' Satire does not look pretty upon
a 'fis*her.'

>Keep it up and you really might
>make it to the "flaming-as-art" class.

Do you always watch the irrelevants? Will you not disbelieve these 
sources?

Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question.
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

p. 907.

"In all the occupied territory from which the Russians were withdrawing,
 the Turks were exposed to attacks by the Armenians, who were attempting 
 to take over the administration. The Turkish population was forced to
 leave their homes and flee. There were large number of unwarranted 
 arrests and many were killed. Antranik arrived in Erzurum as a general
 in Russian uniform to take over the defence of the city, and he was 
 joined there by Doctor Zavriev, who had previously been appointed 
 Deputy Governor-General of the occupied provinces. The atrocities and
 massacres committed by the Armenians continued in their fury."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: How Occupied Is Jerusalem?
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:11:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.015127.174092@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:

>The headline was misleading in the sense that it explicitly states what
>nearly everyone believes to be Israel's de facto policy wrt East Jerusalem.
>Ok, maybe not all of Israel's, but at least Housing Minister Ariel Sharon's.

Thanks for that last qualifier... they are not the same. With any luck,
we will get rid of Ariel Sharon this spring.

>Anwar Mohammed                           

	-Nora
-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jars@milton.u.washington.edu (Juan Rodriguez-Sero)
Subject: Re: Death Squads in Occupied Territories
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:34:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.174315.25246@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>The following is an editorial from the Arab News (March 29, 1992):
>
>>That needs to be demonstrated in the court of world opinion.

Independently of the rest of the article, this last statement is, I
think, very dangerous; this seems to be a proposal for "trial by
propaganda". The "court of world opinion" is just what is needed to
make kangaroo courts look good in comparison.