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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Parody; A Forum?
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:20:41 GMT

In article <87.2B066EAB@business.fidonet.org>,
Ed.Sterrett@f166.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett) writes:
>    In article <1992Nov9.210831.1@acme.claremont.edu> greg@acme.claremont.edu 
>    (Tigger) writes:
>  
>    >group, where does that leave us, eh?  As far as I'm concerned, the only
>    >thing that has no place in this newsgroup is people who try to force
>    >their morality down my throat.  I have my own values that I'm quite
>  
> So you would also force us to partake of your drivel, attempting to 
> justify your lack of taste?
>  
>  
>    No one is questioning your right to express yourself, only your 
> ability to be responsible for those expressions.  Quite frankly, I am 
> sick and tired of this entire discussion. It has no place in this 
> echo, period.  I'm glad you have your own values, but please allow
> us  ours.  We are in this newsgroup to discuss Disney, a subject that 

  ^^^^^^^^^

  Please don't speak for me, or a lot of others in this
  newsgroup, in your all-inclusive "us ours."  Even if the
  parody was in questionable taste (but who makes you judge
  and juror), it was Disney related.  The poster made it
  clear that not everyone would want to read it.

  No one forced you to read it. How do you feel about books,
  plays, movies, and tv shows that aren't up to your standards?
  Do you deny other people's rights to view them?

> encompasses family values, not gutter values.  Take your immature 

 Ah yes, there're those "family values" again.  If someone's values 
 are not the same as yours, then they are not right.

> little act to rec.humor, or anywhere else that may be more 
> appropriate.
>  

  Newsgroup is rec.arts.disney.  Parody was about a Disney
  movie.  Seems to me the newsgroup was appropriate.

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From: nederost@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tom Nederost(Nedorost))
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:52:08 GMT
Subject: RE: What is walt.disney.com
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney

I was waiting for someone from walt.disney.com to respond to the previous
posts, but since they haven't, I'll offer what I know.

walt.disney.com is the internet gateway machine at Imagineering in
Glendale, CA.  The Walt Disney Company takes data security very seriously
and does not think too highly of hackers.

Moral:  Don't mess with walt.disney.com


Tom
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Belle's Character (was Re: Sanitizing
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:12:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Oh, PU-LEEZ, people!

Whoever's been saying that Belle's a "weak" character is setting
some pretty rigid standards.  What do you want?  A Belle with
*machismo*?  Does she have to control each and every situation?
There's a word for that: omnipotent, some people use "god."  Things
happen to Belle, and she must deal with them.  She doesn't have
control over the townspeople, like Gaston does--the reason is
obvious, she's practically an outcast.

The comparison to Basil is inappropriate.  Basil is supposed to be a
clever little detective.  That's what he's good at.  It's all part
of the story.  That's not what the story of Beauty and the Beast is
all about--we all should know that by now.

As for the time she seemed to be helpless in the cellar, I think I'd
feel that way, too.  Time is critical, and there's no apparent way
to escape quickly enough to save Beast.  It's a setup for the next
scene with Chip doing the rescuing this time.  Everyone's vulnerable
sometimes, right?  If Belle were strong and invincible all the time,
then who (watching the movie) could ever make contact with her?
Geez, I'd prefer a bookish, fairly intelligent, basically strong-
charactered heroine over a "battle-maiden" any day (imagine "Bad
Belle, Beyond Thunderdome").  Belle is a very realistic character
because of her *blend* of traits; I guess that's why we're arguing
over her character. :-)


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re:  Aladdin Music Question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:08:43 GMT

kgscharf@napier.uwaterloo.ca  writes:
> Just a quick query about the songs in Aladdin.  
> 
> Which songs were composed by Ashman and Menkin, and which by Menkin and Rice?  I couldn't tell the difference.  Should I have been able to?

A Whole New World and One Jump (titles?) are by Rice.  I believe everything
else is by Ashman.  

I think Alladin will put to rest any fears about Disney not being able to 
replace Howard Ashman.  Listening to the soundtrack, the Ashman songs didn't 
strike me as being "hummable".  My criteria for a good musical is that the 
music tells the story, and I won't be abble to judge it until I see the movie.

My favorite Ashman musical is Little Shop of Horrors, with at least four 
memorable songs (and one Oscar nomination).

Disney has a tradition of at least one good song from each movie, and Aladdin
continues that tradition.

Torsten at Omaha
> 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: brett@surfpix.princeton.edu (Brett Borowski)
Subject: Re: Purchased Disney Stock. Now What?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:04:38 GMT


>>Her friend's Magic Kingdom Card, does, however, so she'll be
>>rebooking.  Any confimations on this?  
>
>I hope she's not making reservations under a friends MKC card.  That
>discount is only available for the card holder and his or her immediate
>family.  It is NOT transferrable.
>Scott
>W. Scott Radeker, IV			                      Cast Member 
>Internet:  gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu	        Lenox Square Disney Store
>24860 Georgia Tech Station		3393 Peachtree Street, Suite E-12
>Atlanta, GA 30332		                        Atlanta, GA 30326

Actually, my friend and her husband travel with her friend and her husband 
every year.  She won't be using the card to make reservations for herself--
her friend will just make a reservation for the entire party.  If Disney
has a problem with that.....sheesh.

brett@surfpix.princeton.edu

And why the heck is a can of Coke $1.10 in the parks?  Why not $1.00?  I
don't care about the difference is price--I just don't like having to dig
for a dime in my pocket or get $0.90 change from $2.00.

-- 
brett@surfpix.princeton.edu		(Finger for more info...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz)
Subject: Re: WDW Packages question
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:28:32 GMT

>Just curious to hear reactions to those of you who have purchased any of
>Disney's WDW Resort packages.  Was the package deal worthwhile?  In the
>higher-level packages (the ones that include meals), how restricted were you
>in choosing restraurants?

I considered the packages (by 'package' I assume you mean the ones available
through Disney), but then found I could usually put together similar/close to
similar packages by myself piece by piece.  The summer is peak season, but
you can still do well if you shop around well ahead of time.  Easter is
crowded, but then the parks are off peak until Memorial Day and then stay
busy (and more expensive) until September.

From the packages I've seen, there's not much more to them than airfare,
rental car, kingdom passports, and some token gifts like a character breakfast
and some Disney dollars.  I'd be more than willing to offer some tips to
find the cheapest way through WDW.  Airfare and rental cars, obviously, don't
need much explanation.  

As to the packages that offer meals, I don't know if I would want to be
constrained by something like that.  WDW is the kind of place you want to be
able to play some things by ear, except for maybe eating at the EPCOT pavillion
restaurants, which need same-day reservations. :)

Good luck...


>-- 
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-- 
Louis Koziarz
koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disney Execs on Net
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:57:49 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

(This is from my wife Carol)
 
There are Disney castmembers read and post here and on FidoNet's
Disney Echo because they're computer buffs and they enjoy conversing
with others about Disney.  Denise is one.  Ed Sterrett is another:
He works in the Communications Center of WDW and posts on both
rec.arts.disney and FidoNet.  Roberta Brubaker is a Maintanance
Supervisor at DL and posts on FidoNet.  Ed and Roberta are really nice
and gracious people.  They will share all kinds of little inside
knowledge and tips with others on the net, will sometimes go and
research Disney or park related questions asked of them, will also
sometimes reprint announcements made to the park castmembers by the
company within company guidelines (reserving proprietary information
of course ;-) ).
 
Recently, when the "Be My Guest Parody" morality debate was still
raging fiercely, Ed Sterrett posted that he'd had enough of the
thread and to please discontinue it because it had gone on long
enough.  Well, someone sent a reply to him that had me cringing, it
was so stinging, mean and uncalled for, calling him names just
because he (and others, I might add) wanted to move discussion on to
another topic.  I thought "Geesh, do you know who you're flaming so
savagely!?"
 
Over on FidoNet there are oodles of Disney Store employees coming
online to talk with each other.
 
So the bottom line is that Disney employees are reading the electronic
mail services about the company.  Some are probably referring general
consensus summaries to those in authority who would have an interest
as a means of gathering patron feedback about products, services,
accomodations, market trends, etc.  I've heard there are Disney
computer users' groups where the castmembers who use computers
heavily in their work can stay abreast.  Where there are computers
there are usually a few interested in telecommunications, and so on
and so forth.
 
When Rich and I were at the Disneyana Convention at WDW in September
I told a rep with the Disney Vacation Club and another with the
Disneyana Convention about FidoNet's Disney Echo and Internet's
rec.arts.disney.  They seemed not-knowledgeable about these and noted
the information I told them.  But I'm sure there are those within the
corporation who monitor these and other nets as well as nationwide
TV/radio/newspaper/magazines for Disney news and how that is being
played up to that particular demographic segment of their audience.
 
--Carol Koster, Rich Koster's wife

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Internet: rich_koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US
    UUCP: rex!agwbbs!rich_koster
From: bereson@ide.com (Alex Bereson)
Subject: ARTIST DAN O'NEILL  ????
Originator: bereson@lola
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:03:01 GMT

Is anyone familiar with the work of Dan O`Neill? I believe
he was active during the sixties doing underground comics
and Disney character parodies. Sometime after Walt's death,
the Disney lawyers hounded him to death. Apparently he sold
some of his work at Southern California comics shows.

Does anyone have any more information regarding him? It would
really be appreciated!

Thanks
From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: WDW Packages question
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:29:03 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: foundation.wpd.sgi.com

In <BxxGI2.I51@willamette.edu> epatter@willamette.edu (Eric Patterson) writes:

>Just curious to hear reactions to those of you who have purchased any of
>Disney's WDW Resort packages.  Was the package deal worthwhile?  In the
>higher-level packages (the ones that include meals), how restricted were you
>in choosing restraurants?

I used a Magic Kingdom Club package for my last trip to WDW when I
stayed at the Polynesian resort.  I was quite happy with what I got.
The restaurant coupons they give you are good lots of places.
Breakfast coupons are mainly only good at any of their hotels.  The
lunch coupons are good at the hotels and selected park restaurants.
The dinner coupons are good virtually anywhere, all Epcot restaurants,
and the dinner shows (Victoria and Alberts was about the only place you
couldn't use them).  They also give the option of cheating yourself
with these, as they are good at some fast food outlets.  For example,
the same dinner coupon can get you $5 worth of fast food, or a full
course dinner at the Brown Derby (appetizer, soup, salad, entree,
dessert, and non-alcoholic beverage, including gratuity) worth $60
(guess which option I chose).  I also used one of the lunch coupon at
Narcosee's (sp?) at the Grand Floridian and ran up a $50 tab.  The same
coupon is also good at the game room at the Contemporary for a $3 cold
sandwich.  Chose wisely.

Curt
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
From: nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato)
Subject: Very short overview of Shonen Captain 
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:41:00 GMT

     I looked at the december issue of sh. Captain. This is my
first look at this magazine. First off, it is oriented towards
otakus, and I found it to be a fairly good magazine.
     The manga that are likely to appeal to otakus are as
follows from the beginning to the end:
  Hunter Cats by Aro Hiroshi: I am biased as I like his work.
It is a semi-parody of the trouble-shooter genre. Basically,
its about 3 women with inhuman capabilities in their specialties
solving cases. It is derived and an improvement over his
earlier work, Sheriff. One of the members is also from Sheriff.
The names and titles are: Mei the cyberqueen (super hacker),
Akira the iron fist (great strength, very athletic, has scars
all over her body), and Hikaru the quick (unmatched pick pocket,
has super speed, can grab a fired bullet from the air and 
steal bullets from guns without the user being aware; when she
was younger she was in Sheriff and was a thief, but she reformed).
Oh yeah, there is a shower scene (Mei hates baths). This was the
first episode for this manga, and it was primarily an introduction.
  Atsupare! Katsuporeh by Kanno Hiroshi: Roughly translates as
"Brilliant Dr. Katsuporeh". Seems to be mainly about the life
of a robot girl named Lilica. It is a comedy. The robots named
Sharp and Flat remind me of stereotyped otakus for some reason.
Katsuporeh reminds me of a benevolent Professor Wattsman from
a Dirty Pair movie. 
  Kaze by Kanzaki Masaomi: It could be classified as fantasy-science,
as opposed to science-fantasy due to its atmosphere. Seems to be
a wandering hero epic of a person named Kunioh Yanagidah (did 
I get that right?), who is quite powerful. He has a talking 2-headed
dog. There is a "cat-girl" named Momoko, who is not much bigger than
a cat and looks and acts like a mascot for the manga. The art
work seems good and detailed. A lot of otakus are sure to love this
story. 
   Getter Robo Go by Go Nagai (most people probably knows about
him) and Ken Ishikawa: It is science-fiction, with giant robots and
monsters. 
   Maju Kessha by Kyoma Aki: The title roughly translates as
"Demon-Beast Team". A kind of super-hero organization. Not to
sure if this will have any appeal to anyone outside of Japan, as
there are some comics in English that are oriented toward a similar
audience.

   Thats about it. If I skipped your favorite manga in that magazine,
feel free to post about it. I am not to sure if this magazine will
be carried regularily by the stores over here.
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: 3x3 Eyes
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:19:41 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia

Has the English compilation that was promised in the Advance Comics
listing for last month come out? Has anyone seen it?

I never bought the original parts, so I'm hoping this is not just a
cruel joke.

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From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Video Girl Len
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:32:01 GMT
Organization: (why bother, they're all dead)
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <6308@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp> t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.100737.23925@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> gainax@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu (Miss Jyanken 1992) writes:
>>What has happen to Video Girl Len? Is it running monthly or was it a
>>one shot deal? What the hell is this version about?
>
>It's not running anywhere.  Gone with wind.

I thought it's suppose to be on Jump Autumn Special.  So was that that for 
that?

And speeaking of which, is Bastard! over, yet?

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Narumi Kakinouchi
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: Megami Jimusho
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:42:22 GMT

s92458km@msr.mei.co.jp (Kunio Muto,79204584,12) writes:
 >	I think she did Moon Princess or something like that.... I
 >believe it's out in Newtype 100% series... .but once again, I'm not
 >that sure... she's more well known as an illustrator, I think...

Illustrating what kind of stuff?


Here's the entry from the r.a.m Guide, posted last week (wouldn't it be
nice if people read it every now and then. :-)  Actually, this bit could
use some descriptions, as could many other bits.


---- Kakinouchi Narumi  $@3@LnFb@.H~(B
----
Vampire Princess Miyu  $@5[7lI1H~M<(B
  (1990, v1F, Y1000, story by ?, OAVs)

Film Collection Miyu
  (1992, v2F, Y1900)

Codename wa Charmer  $@%3!<%I%M!<%`$O#C#H#A#R#M#E#R(B
  (v2?)
About psychics in school. [CM]

New Vampire Miyu
Shin Vampire Miyu $@?7!&5[7lI1(J($@%t%!%s%Q%$%d(J)$@H~M<(B
  (1992, v1, Y850, story by Hirano Toshihiro)
  It's about the shinma friends of Larva before he became the servant of Miyu
came to Japan to meet Larva, as well as planing to revenge against Miyu
since she killed two of their friends.  [CM]

Other works:  Vampire Yui, Mermaid Trip, Taketori Hime, Moon Princess
(1991, Y800).
 

--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:09:30 EST
From: Howard Tom <76366.2125@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hojo Tsukasa
Apparently-To: <rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net>

	I recently bought the Jump Comics Special showcasing this
artist's color work, and I note that it contained a list of his manga
stories. I note that included in the list were separate stories for both
Cat's Eye and City Hunter that seemed to predate the series proper. Were
these stories (and, come to think of it, the other unrelated works) ever
collected into a volume?

					Howard Tom
				(76366.2125@compuserve.com)
From: kurtf@sue.econ.su.oz.au (Kurt Frank)
Subject: Re: Dojinshi
Organization: Faculity of Economics, University of Sydney
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:16:19 GMT

In article <-1363888308snx@izumi.DIALix.oz.au> michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) writes:
>Well, I finally got issue 1 of Dojinshi. Not to put it down or
>anything, but I was expecting more/different things from it.
>
>Were the manga actually done by Japanese, or by someone at Antarctic
>and written in Japanese? The issue didn't make this very clear.
>
>Interesting, but imho not really worth the price tag (especially in
>Australia, with the air mail distribution to the comic shops).
>
>I don't want to put down western attempts at introducing this sort of
>thing, but I think it should have been done "american". Do a proper
>dojinshi, with american artists doing the "dojinshi" thing, and I think
>it'd be more "relevant" and appealing.
>
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Just to add a few comments to those above, I too was a bit dissapointed
with this magazine, for one thing I'm rather surprised that they didn't
include a page explaining the basis and general storyline of the original
manga (yes I know what Ranma 1/2 is and I'm pretty sure just about everyone
on this net knows what it's about, but it's still not the kind of assumption
that a publisher should make).

As to Michael's question if the stories were written by japanese artists
I'd say the side panels indicating from which fanzines they had been lifted
is as good an indication as any.  As to value for money (and cosidering the
higher cost out here in Australia) I'd only pick this up after brousing
through it too see if there are any stories you like ("A Summer Memory"
appealed to the devious side of my nature).

Loved the DeJesus cover though,

Kurt S. Frank                                      If you're being flamed,
kurtf@sue.econ.su.oz.au                            And the odds aren't fair,
In the eternal struggle between good and evil,     Don't look for me,
Evil has more fun.-TOG                             I won't be there.
From: rshiroma@drew.drew.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Fujita Kazuko
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:40:41 GMT
Organization: Drew University

In article <1992Nov19.024715.10686@nuscc.nus.sg>, isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
> Errmmm... perhaps the name in romanji should by Kazuko Fujita.
> Does anyone have a list of her manga?

Shougakukan Flower Comics:

Fujita Kazuko Kessakushuu (1-3)	ISBN 4-09-132131 ~ 4-09-132133

Juliet no Musume (1-5)		ISBN 4-09-132381 ~ 4-09-132385

Momoka Taifuu (1-7)		ISBN 4-09-132741 ~ 4-09-132747

Romance Godankatsuyou (1-4)	ISBN 4-09-133291 ~ 4-09-133294

Makoto Call! (1-8)		ISBN 4-09-133591 ~ 4-09-133598
[now on Shoujo Comic]

Price: Romance Godankatsuyou vol4 and Makoto Call! 1-8 are 390 yen, 
others are 370 yen.
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