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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.210323.28979@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk) writes:
>Death is a ravenous bisexual female who lusts for everyone.  No matter how
>hard you try, you will not be able to resiste her seductive powers.   . . .
[blah blah blah, yada yada, etc. etc.]

Nono, dude, that's *Desire*.  Get your anthropomorphic personifications
of noncorporeal conceptions straight!

Sheesh, some people...
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Guardians (was Re: Marvel 2099)
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:27:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.131847.8461@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>In article <Bt6806.BpA@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>>cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>>
>>>BTW, I haven't read Shadowhawk yet. It gets here tomorrow, hopefully.
>>>It's reaaly that bad? I reaaly thought it might be the savior of the
>>>Image titles. At least Valenteno can write. Now it looks like
>>>WildC.A.T.S, may be their only hope. At least until Claremont's new
>>>title is released.
>>
>>Who else will be doing the book with Claremont? 
>>
>Don't quote me on this but I believe it is Portacio (sp?). That's why
>I'm looking forward to it. That run on x-Factor he did was great. The
>story by Claremont and Lee and Portacio's art was one of the best of the
>run. At least until PAD took over.
>
According to a mini-interview in the latest Comics International, the project
with Claremont ('The Huntsmen') has been shelved because Portacio wanted to
concentrate on Wetworks, his own creation.

Mike
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 titles (Jester)
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:49:08 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <47ph021c1e.A01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>In article <BsztIG.F7u@acsu.buffalo.edu> jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault) writes:
>
>>Spiderman 2099:
>> 	Peter David & Rick Leonardi
>
>After hearing Peter read the script of the first issue, I've decided to 
>pick up this title (and I don't read Marvel comics).
>
>(spoiler)
>
>Oh, and Aunt May is in it. :-) 
>
>--
>                                          Karen Williams
Of course!  She's...

a HIGHLORD! >:)

(Apologies to PAD, and Rob 501 - not)

-- 
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From: CMOHNEY1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Christopher Mohney)
Subject: A collection for sale
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:29:51 GMT

Because of skyrocketing college costs, financial problems and the Bush
presidency, I'm selling off the bulk of my comics collection.  I'm more
interested in getting rid of the damn things as opposed to getting
the Best Deal, and I'll give better deals for bigger buys.  I'll even kick
in postage on orders over $25.  This collection is heavy on the Marvel
stuff of the last 5-10 years.  If any of you folks want a copy of the list,
drop me a line at CMOHNEY1@UA1VM.UA.EDU and I'll send it to you.
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Ravage 2099
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:09:48 GMT


  Jon Purvis writes...

* Very interesting thought here.  In a recent interview or article (in CBG
* I believe) John Byrne talked about a new book (or was it a new line?) that
* he and Stan Lee worked on.  In the end, Marvel didn't want it, so he 
* published it after rewriting as Next Men.  The thing is, the concept that
* Byrne came up with originally was the same as described for Ravage above.
* As I remember, Byrne had come up with the idea himself, and retained 
* ownership when they seperated.  Has something changed, or does Stan Lee
* have a different story about this?


  No, it was Stan's concept from the start. Apparently, he come up with 
  the idea when he was awakened from his sleep by a garbage truck one
  morning. John was brought in to collaborate with him, but Stan didn't
  like any of his ideas. He wound up changing it all to what he first
  pictured and John was left with all the work he had done. That work
  was later resturctured and became 2112. That in turn led to the current
  run of the Next Men. So Ravage 2099 has nothing to do with John Byrne.
  And to tell you the truth... I'll bet he's glad!


  --
  Michael                      
  stailey@comm.mot.com
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Guardians (was Re: Marvel 2099)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:41:22 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

>>Oh, please.  Valentino did that in Guardians of the Galaxy.  And it 
>>sucked big time (just like the majority of his run on that book - and
>>Shadowhawk isn't much better).  Of course, he's off the book as of the
>>recent issue (#28 or #29, I'm not sure).  Maybe they'll get someone
>>to write it who doesn't feel the need to change every character every
>>five issues for no apparent reason.  But knowing Marvel, I doubt it.

>Actually, I rather like Guardians. I felt it was one one of the better
>Marvels out there (along with the Hulk, New Warriors, and X-Factor).
>Nice art, good storyline and Valenteno obviously new where he was going
>with the story. To bad Marvel felt they had to punish someone for the
>mass defections to Image. If the last issue or two of Guadians without
>Valenteno art is any indication, the title may end up on my cancel list
>soon.

     AGREED! 

     The new artist sucks SO BAD! I can't see how he could have been hired.
The heads are Way too small, and way too narrow. Heads looks ovular, not like a
teardrop. And do you believe the MUSCLES he puts on women? If Yellowjacket were
THAT muscular in real life, then she wouldn't have THOSE breasts!

     And, as for Image, I think Savage Dragon is pretty good, considering.
At least it was better than Youngblood. ECCH! Besides, Valentino's art style
doesn't lend itself to the type of story he's trying to tell. I knew that before
Shadowhawk even came out. Guardians was his niche, for me. Now it just won't be
the same title.

     JCD
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: "recent romantic interest"
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:34:18 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
 
> 	I'vce been toying with the idea that Morphy's new romantic interest
> is...da da DA...Delirium.
> 
> 	Yeah, I know it's a bizarre, possibly frivolous idea.  But seeing as
> how insanity and imagination are often connected I don't think it's TOO
> far-fetched.  And Eve did say they she didn't think that SHE was his type,
> whereupon Matthew says that he didn't think he HAD a type.
> 	Who says the Endless are limited by incest...

Well, Delirium might consider it, but probably wouldn't dare act on it - she
thinks Dream is scary & remote. & because Dream has those attributes, he 
would never even speculate about the merest possibility of allowing the thought
to cross his mind. & even Desire wouldn't want the family threads too tangled:
ke is rather a one for the obvious plot, used to stringing along mortals & too
recently involved in trying to cut down Dream to make a sophisticated play like
this. Kir thoughts are still on the trap Dream with mortal-doll lines.

I think his type is fabulous women who enhance his status (not that he'd ever
condescend to admit it), who then get bored with his being aloof & superior.

Tanaqui

"I'm so happy, cos today I found my friends; they're in my head      _Lithium_
 I'm not sad, and just maybe, I'm too plain for all I've heard"       Nirvana
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Now Shade was Re: Youngblood #2
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:13:50 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <77394@ut-emx.uucp>, cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
> In article <12518@operator> trevor@Software.Mitel.COM (Trevor Davis) writes:
>>After reading Youngblood #2 there is no doubt in my
>>mind that Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic book
>>writer ever!
>>					Trevor
> 
> You're a bit late; someone's already done the "Liefield is a God" flamebait 
> post. And he misspelled more words than you did. 



==============================================================================
==============================================================================
> > OBSnobbyPseudoIntellectualFlame: The only comic with -real- writing is 
Sandman.
==============================================================================
==============================================================================
  
        Boy, them's fightin' words....


                                        Devote SHADE follower,

                                                S H Y L O C K


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: ECLIPSO checklist
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:10:06 GMT

Actually, there is some order to it.  Some issues, like Robin Annual, can be 
read out of order, but any issue with Superman has to be read in order, since 
there is a definite line there (Supes first encounters Eclipso, Lois gets 
Eclipsed and town revealed, Supes goes to save town and gets Eclipsed, etc).
     Dave Van Domelen, got a piece of black paste jewelry, and when mildly 
irked I get Upstaged
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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: What ever happened to the Transformers?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 20:55:45 -0700
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(Crossposted to rec.arts.animation, since we're now covering both the comic and the cartoon here)

In article <1992Aug13.144833.5290@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Remember (or learn now) that the Transformers *started* in Japan/Hong Kong.  

  The "transforming-robot" gimmick, or the Transformers/Autobot/Decepticon
concepts specifically?

>This first cartoon limited series was originally Japanese-market anime, and
>got dubbed over to English.  When it was a hit, they started making them in 
>English.

  Possible, but questionable. The first two seasons of the TRANSFORMERS
cartoon were done by Toei Animation, who were (I think) in Taiwan. The art was
fairly anime-related, especially humans, who tended to look like short Rick
"Robotech" Hunter clones.  B-)  The third and (very brief) fourth season art
mostly stunk, though Toei was still being credited. Wonder what's the real
story there?

  A countargument to this is the Japanese Transformers toy catalogue I picked
up on my trip to Hong Kong (I bought a few never-released-in-the-US
Transformers robots). The catalogue was decorated with VERY anime-looking art,
with anime "interpretations" of Autobots et al, and looked far different from
the American TV series. I almost wonder if Japan did a separate, parallel
Transformers cartoon that ran at the same time the US series did.

>I suspect that with the huge "giant robot" industry in Japan's Toy 
>Sector, they had to release alot more products to compete than in America, 
>hence models you never saw here.

  Could be. Then again, some of the American models were being offered in the
Japanese catalogue as promotional giveaways (you know, collect X "robot
points" and get a new toy). I also saw some never-released toys in UK
(British) marketing -- with British spellings of words like "colour" -- which
led me to speculate that the American TF toy market collapsed before the
Asian/European ones did...

  (Is there a rec.toys.robots?  B-)

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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From: richgu@microsoft.com (Richard Guion)
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:52:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug17.172938.14256@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>I didn't catch the artist on this book, but I believe that the writer did the 
>UK version of the Punisher, teamed with O'Neill (not Denny, the guy who did the
>Marshall Law art).  I might actually buy this, despite having not liked 
>Punisher since shortly after his regular series started.
>     Dave Van Domelen, "Everyone is immortal until they die." - Alan Scott



The rumor that I had heard about this book was that the creative team would
be Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neil, the same team that created Marshaw Law.  As
I am a big Marshall Law fan, I'm really excited about this if it is true.
These guys will deliver a book with an edge that most of the Marvel books
lack.

Anyone else hear this?

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Guardians (was Re: Marvel 2099)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:29:12 GMT

The artist who took over for two issues was Herb Trimpe, of 1960s and 1970s 
fame.  To see an example of his real style, look at Hulk #393 or any really old
issue of Hulk from his run.  In Guardians he was doing an admirable Liefled 
(spelling intentional) parody.  The guy for this issue, however, bites.  I 
bought the recent issue to see another example of the Trimpe-Liefled fusion, 
and was very disappointed.
     Dave Van Domelen, never cared much for Trimpe's original style, but kinda 
likes the parody style
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Youngblood #2
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:05:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug11.054656.28266@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Sean Edward Costain) writes:
>
 It has been proven beyond any doubt that Mr 501's can ONLY draw certain
 figures in re-used postions. His writeing style is about as good as my
 sisters (Shes only 11). His continuality is non exiestent. So until he
 gets shot,blown up and virtually removed from the land of comics I doubt
 that most people would stoop to saying how much they liked his work.
 
Well, perhaps shot and blown up is a bit extreme...  However, i would like
to see him tied up in a room and forced to read Claremont's entire run
on the New Mutants, in part to atone for what he did to the characters before
he jumped ship, and in part to hopefully pick up some tips on writing and
on how to draw a human body...

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: EQ: The Hidden Years (mild spoilers)
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:57:32 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
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In <1992Aug12.141252.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

> Poster offers aside, did anyone have any opinions about the actual
> comic?  It's still a little weird to see the color, but I think I
> might actually like it.  And I hope Yun (Yun?  Was that her name?)
> lives long enough to meet Skywise...
> 
> cheers, the curious cat

	Hmm... I was a bit suspicious about the idea of having the comic in
color, as I said in a previous post, but since it's quite good in quality,
without a price change, I think I'll get used to it too... No, in fact, I liked
it very much in last issue.

	Wonder if Yun is really Skywise's daughter. Quite likely, yes, since,
well... she doesn't sound very "Go-Back-like"... And I think she will yet be
another guest for the cocoon party that will most certainly take place at one
time or another... ]B) (<- elfin smiley)

	What I'd like to see, is the reunion scene, with Wolfriders and Sun
Folk meeting each other after the end of KoTBW, as well as what the life then
might look like. Think, it's something like Europe's Middle Ages.
	I think I shall wait..

	And now, there shall be the New Blood book out in a few time. Wonder if
it will be as bad as I think it will. Reason: I sneaked into latest 'Preview'
and saw that New Blood #2 will be entirely made by Barry Blair. Yeech!..

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: A REAL Sandman question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:08:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc

In article <1992Aug15.022524.26554@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson) writes:
> 	OK, Death, Dream, Desire and Despair are drawn as having chalk
> white skin. Destiny, Destruction and Delirium are drawn with normal
> caucasian tones. (This aside from malleable appearances for Dream + Desire)
> 	Is there ANY possible significance to this? Darned if I can figure
> any.

For starters: Gaiman has said that Death's first appearance (with her having
some skin tone) is the correct one.  Given that Dream and Destiny don't seem
to be of the fun-in-the-sun type, I'd guess it's just a matter of not getting
out enough.  :-)

Followups to rec.arts.comics.misc.

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: R.A.C's still here?!? What have I missed?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:19:14 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:

>But both rec.arts.comics and rec.arts.comics.misc are still here!  I
>know there's a lag time before the old groups disappear, but this is
>ridiculous!  I think it's been nearly a month since I left.

    Yup, and it's been just about 6 or 7 weeks since the creation of the
new rac groups.

>Have I missed something?  Is the reorganiztion being contested?  I can
>only hope.

    No, the reorg is not being contested. And the only thing you seemed
to have missed is the fact that when a reorg happens and there is a
group that is supposed to be rmgrouped, it is kept around for about 2-3
months to make sure that everyone is getting the new groups. Ususally
about now most of the more active sysadmins will alias r.a.c to
r.a.c.misc. This hasn't happened here yet, but it was about this time
when rec.arts.startrek was aliased to rec.arts.startrek.misc. The
actual removal date of r.a.c is sometime in Sept.

--
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Sex with Death
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 02:53:57 GMT

I suppose a proper term for those who love Death itself in a carnal manner 
would be Thanatophiliacs, but in reference to Thanos that might be awkward.  
Perhaps Necrosexual would work.
     Dave Van Domelen, watches too much Ren & Stimpy to be grossed out by a 
mere discussion of screwing the personification of Death
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Comic Creators Network (was Re: Proposal: Manga Creators Network)
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:37:39 GMT

In article <9208112130.AA07069@lynx.frame.com> jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) writes:

>I don't know
>the status of Dan'l Danehy-Oakes' "Optimistic Sturgeon."

It's been in abeyance for about two years while I did some minor things like
add a story to my house and learn a little bit about desktop publishing (the
first two issues were *ugly*).  I'm hoping to get #3 out this year.


		My baby is a Martian,
		What can I do?
		I'm in love with a giant insect,
		I got them Exoskeletal Blues
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:39:49 GMT

In article <rdippold.714152764@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> No sale.  It'd be
>interesting to know whether the guy at the booth really knew who he
>was and wanted to piss him off.

Perhaps he felt that the check, like everything else Liefeld has ever written, 
was not worth the paper it was printed on.
-- 
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From: MATMNB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BRAZIL,Marcus N)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Atlas of the 1970's/Image
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:36:51 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <Bt8JAF.FC7@acsu.buffalo.edu> camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> Does net.anyone know the story of Atlas?

The whole inside story of the rise and fall of Atlas appeared in 
the Comics Journal some years ago. I _think_ it was #114 which
I _think_ was the Jay Lynch issue. From my memory of the article,
the problems weren't just financial but also stemmed from major
internal conflicts between the management staff...

...Marcus Brazil...

> 
> DN
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