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From: dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil (H. Mike Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:47:05 GMT
Organization: elf____electronic learning facilitator, inc

Saints,

Let it Go !!  "Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that
	       Jesus Christ is Lord !!"  Praise God !!

My heart hurts when I know that there will be some which will stand
before the Lord and weep, "I was wrong".

By His Grace,

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From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Anyone knows what this song is?
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:55:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Sometime ago, I went to a church gathering and heard this song, it was
wonderful! But unfortunately I did not have a chance to know the title
of it. Then I was watching the Presidential Gala last week, there was 
this woman who sang this song again. I think her name is Collins (I am
not 100% sure about that. She was in white dress and she sang before 
Chevy Chase came up). This song is slow and sentimental. I am sorry that
is all the information I have. If anyone has any idea please tell me.
Thanks a lot! 
zzhang@ruhets.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:08:34 EST
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y'know, stuff like this -really- makes me want to mail-bomb the posters
with Church of the SubGenius rants. at least they're -funny-.

jason "BOB" steiner

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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Speaking of Robin Spurs
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:10:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

Someone recently mentioned Robin Spurs, former bassist for the Choir.
A friend of mine says he read somewhere that she had joined that marketing
wonder called Rachel Rachel, and would begin appearing with them during
the second half of their current tour with White Heart. Any chance someone
out there has heard the same thing, or is my associate on drugs?

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu 

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From: 910773f@axe.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:29:23 GMT

>various Steve Taylor debates deleted

I am a classical musician.  I _love_ Steve Taylor, for his lyrics, and for 
his music.  yes, he used a lot of synth... he was a budding artist with no 
band and probably little money, give the guy a break!  Besides, who didn't 
use synth back then?  But he has ORIGINALITY.  Definitely, most of his early 
stuff is very simple... I have the songbook, and I can sight-read most of 
it... but they show hints of what was to come... I like listening to his 
stuff chronologically, hearing his ability to express himself musically 
develop.
  I Predict 1990: a masterpiece.  The man finally gets a band and replaces 
his synths with saxes.  `I Blew Up The Clinic...' is a beautifully rockin 
sax lick.  `Jung and the Restless' has a very empassioned, restless feel to 
it.  `Babylon' has very innovative harmonies (on this is good_BYE_).
 Then there's the 3 that never escaped... 2 are not too great, but Bouquet 
is absolutely fabulous.
 Simple yet complex - many different lines going on at once.  And it's not 
straight rock rock rock... the style and character of the music reflects the 
lyrics (Drive, He Said; Lifeboat; We Don't Need No Colour Code)
 But by far Steve's greatest gift is his lyric-writing.  Biting Satire to 
beautiful praise (How can you not like Harder to Believe Than Not To? (which 
borrows from Rachmaninov, BTW)).  
 Who here likes the Newsboys?
 Guess who writes for them?
 And Chagall Guevara is to die for.  I admit, the first listen left me 
befuddled, but once I got used to it I _loved_ it.  Rockin rockin rockin!! 
Murder in The Big House is a headbanging hit with an awesome twice-as-long-
as-you-expect-guitar-freeforall... Monkey Grinder, once you figure out what 
it means, is so tantalizing!  The Wrong George is mere hilarity.  Violent 
Blue leaves ya thinking, and Love Canal (with that lovely flush...) leaves 
you spinning... A+!!!

Enough reviewing, I've expressed my opinion.

If it's of any interest, I can't stand any music that's `textbook', too 
predictable, ordinary, humdrum.  It's gotta be innovative and musically 
interesting for me to like it.  

:-)))

Heather



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From: pauls@ll.mit.edu (Richard Pauls)
Subject: Re: Christian Dancing & Clubs
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:45:49 GMT

In article <m0nFTbB-0000ZaC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:

>I really don't
>understand this enormous need to control that so many pastors and Church
>denominations have. 

>Does Loving your neighbor involve "controlling your neighbor or forcing your
>neighbor to adhere to you 'traditions'?"  I am so amazed.

Sadly, very sadly, this is all to common in Christian circles.  It is a
sickness.  I have been hurt by it, so has my wife, and so have many friends
I know.  I am sure that many who will read this have also been hurt by
cultish thought reform and control in the name of God for the benifit of
some religious group leaders.  It is a terrible and powerful force, it can
cause a lot of pain, and even turn us away from God in painful confusion 
believing Him to be equally critical, punishing and conditionaly accepting.
But all this is lies.  God loves us unconditionaly, beyond our understanding,
and beyond even our imagination, and He will NEVER change His mind about this.
I encourage those who have been hurt by sick religious groups to talk about
it with others.  There are many who will understand. This is one good way
to try to make things better--by getting it out in the open and exposing it
for what it is.  And do not fear "losing" God.  He will never leave you, and
He understands.  He will help you.

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Trying to find a recording of this song...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:18:45 GMT

In article <1jp8lfINN8ql@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <1jp27tINNl2q@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Michael Roman <mrr1@cornell.edu> writes:
>>I've trying to find a recording of the song with the following fragment:
>>
>>By the waters, the waters of Babylon,
>>We laid down and wept, and wept for thee, Zion.
>>We remember, we remember, we remember thee, Zion.
>>
>>I heard it in embedded in another song by Manfred Mann and the Earth Band.
>>
>>Mike Roman
>>mrr1@cornell.edu
>
>Those lyrics also appear in a song on Adam Again's "Ten Songs By Adam Again"
>disc.  I don't know if it's the same recording you're thinking of.  I think
>the A.A. song is called "Babylon."

And just to further muddy the waters, the same lyrics appear in different
songs by Orleans (on a 1975 album called "Orleans") and on Linda
Ronstadt's 1976 album "Hasten Down the Wind."  Different songs, but
in both cases the title is "By the Waters of Babylon."

This may be obvious to most folks here, but just in case it isn't,
these are the lyrics to Psalm 137.  For some odd reason, songwriters
always leave off the closing verse about "dashing babies' heads
against the rocks" (look it up - it's there!).  

>John Warren

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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ajw@cblpn.att.com
Organization: Security, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:45:31 -0500 
From: Ray Mialki <rm1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:  Anti Gay Discrimination

This is just another case where the Church is playing into the enemies
hands.  Right now, on a loca bboard that I monitor, the gay activists
feel that the fuss over this law is actually good.  If this action to
uphold the law winds up in the supreme court, homosexuals may easily be
classified as a protected class, along with race, religion, etc.  More
work for the EEOC.  Soemtimes, these classes get court orders making
companies meet hiring quotas.  

It has been my opinion, that if people in the Church were busy working
at bringing the gospel to the lost, then we wouldn't have to worry about
gay rights legislation.  If gays come to Christ, and repent of their
behaviour, then they won't care about what laws are on the books.  

Locally, a Christian group spent $40,000 to buy up a pornography shop
that they had been battling in the courts for years.  After the
purchase, they tore it down.  They claimed victory.  

Those who wanted to buy pornography simply went to other cities.  It is
doubtful if anybody came to Christ as a result of their efforts.  The
only victory they won was not having to look at the shop in their
community.  But the same number of porn readers live in their
neighbourhood as before. 

If this group would have spent this money on reaching people with the
gospel, and many were converted, the porn shop would have closed down
because of lack of customers.  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Need some Christian "RAVE" muzik, PLEEZ!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:31:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.114700.12325@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN) writes:
>00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote:
>: Heyo.  I need to find Christian RAVE muzik.  I'm still listening to the Shamen
>: and Jesus Jones and B.A.D. II and I need some CHRISTIAN inspiration!
>
>   Get Invincible by Jyradelix on the Myx label.

I second this advice very strongly!

I have also HEARD that Moby is a Christian.  I bought one of his
recordings, and I am not going to pass judgement on his state of
salvation (God's job, not mine), but his music is great.  Nothing much
in the way of lyrics.  Of the top of my head, the lyric sheet could
have on it:

	next is the e

	oh, Lord I want to be with you

	have you seen my baby

	everything's goin' be all right

(pretty deep stuff isn't it.)

Dance House Children may have some stuff on their latest one.  They
lean a little more towards house with nice "androgenous vocals" as
Syndicate magazine put it.

>
>: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!
>: 
>: Bruce
>: -- 
>: .sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!
>:    "What's the Surgeon General gotta say? Don' smoke mor'n 50 fags a day"
>: Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
>: spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
>: Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
>
>Rodney Ho
>
>hotuckch@iscs.nus.sg
>isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg

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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:58:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt) writes:

>>I've heard of and read about, but not seen, a video for "Violent Blue." It
>>was supposedly shot in a cave.

>Which cave, John? Inquiring cavers *(:-) want to know?

_Cornerstone_, Vol. 20, Issue 95:

Steve Taylor (being interviewed): "...we did video. It was down in a cave
about a  hundred miles south of Tennessee. You go into this narrow opening
and down these sort of narrow tunnels, and it opens up on this huge room
with a giant chandelier. So we set up a postapocalyptic feel. We brought
all our friends down and had them participating in this violent feasting
while wo played our hearts out, and they just totally ignore us. It's not
a bad video, actually."

And now you know as much as I do...

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: phil@pex.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:01:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.043233.5405@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bgeerdes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bruce Geerdes) writes:
>In article <80537@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
>>wad. And if Sam's faith doesn't come through clearly and deeply on 
>>"The Indescribable Wow" and "Cruel Inventions," then you're simply not
>>listening.
>
>Perhaps it's *your* faith that you are hearing in her lyrics.  I have both
>of her albums, and like them both, but I feel I'd be grabbing at straws to
>say that there's any Christianity coming through any of the songs.  Sure,
>knowing her background we can read a lot into some of the lyrics, but is
>it really there?
>
>My point isn't to judge her faith; I'd just like to be shown where you see
>Sam's faith shine through her songs.  

"if i said i believe my eyes,
 and science could move my soul,
 if i said i'm not afraid to die,
 and I don't need you

 i'd be lying.....lying......
 i'd be lying.....

...

 if i said i don't want what i don't have
 and all the answers are enough
 if i said i believe in myself
 and that's enough

 i'd be lying.....lying......
 i'd be lying.....

		-- excerpted from lying ("Cruel Inventions") Sam Phillips

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
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From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Re: Mastedon Release
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:21:57 GMT

In article <1jp6maINNgq4@umbc5.umbc.edu> haddaway@umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway) writes:
>Does anyone know when or if Mastedon will be releasing a new cd?
>Rumor has it that there might be a spring/summer release.  Has anyone
>caught wind of this???  How about Mark Pouge?
>
>Thanks
>
>Todd
>
I've learned not to hold my breath on new Mastedon.  Instead, I just wait for
the next Halo album :-) (if you don't get this, check out who writes most of
Halo's music).  As of the release of the Pakaderm video, they hadn't even
practiced together much less tour or make a new album.  My personal opinion is
that John & Dino are to busy with all their other groups to have time left over
to make their own album.

As for Pogue, he's in the queue after Guardian.  I know a guy who is setting a
date for him to have a concert in the Chicago area this fall or next spring
during Pogue's 2nd album tour.

				One huge Pakaderm fan,

				Richard M. Bennema
--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
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Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon

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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Animator: More info
Summary: Animator
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:05:37 GMT
Keywords: Animator

 
 Hi there.  Your assessment of Animator based on "Gallery" was
 largely true, though not entirely.  I don't want to pick apart
 your excellent "non-review" for errors or anything.  I've been
 associated with the band for almost four years now.  Their
 writing does tend to the Genesis/early Yes side of things
 on Gallery, but live shows feature a lot of Pink Floyd and
 Rush, and King's X, too!
  
  The band has a new guitarist who is much more a hard rock
  player than Rick Ruzga, who was an excellent texturist.
  The new player, Chris Carrol (sp?) brings a harder edge to
  the material, and the new material will definitely reflect that.
   
   Stacey Krejci (keyboards) and I worked through a few ideas
   a couple of months ago, and the band is set to write in the
   immediate future.  There is hope for a concept album.  Whether
   or not any of the stuff I helped on will be included is
   anyone's guess.
    
    FYI (schmooze):  Stacey's keyboard playing is featured on 8 of
    the 9 songs on the soon-to-be-released Farewell to Juliet CD.
    Our stuff tends to the long side, too.  Should be about 55 minutes
    of great music.  Definitely less on the art rock side than
    Animator, but definitely not Amy Grant (God bless her)!
     
     For more info on Animator or Farewell to Juliet, e-mail me.
      
      Jeff Elbel
      Farewell to Juliet
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:39:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan22.145156.15310@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>But she abandoned CCM, not Christianity, and 
>they are not one and the same.  

They're *not*?  Oh, goodness.  This changes everything.



-- 
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had a difficult time.      -- Former Vice-President Danforth Quayle
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From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: 77's reissues?  YES!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:31:05 GMT

>In article <80567@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
>>According to the new issue of Visions of Gray, Mike Roe has obtained the
>>rights to the first three 77's releases (Ping Pong Over the Abyss, All
>>Fall Down, and 77's) and plans to reissue them on CD in the near future.
>>
>>YES!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>JRjr
>>

speaking of these recordings...

I was at the campus radio station the other night (I'm trying to
resurect an old show) when I ran across Ping Pong and Fall Down on
vinyl.  Ping Pong I had already acquired @ a used record sale, but All
Fall Down was completely new to me.  Wow!  How old were these guys
when they started?  Mike sounds like he was 16 at the time!
(increadible none the less.  kind of like listening to Boy by U2)

Was this their first album?  I already have 77's and Ping Pong.  Is
there anything good on More Misserable than You Will Ever Be?

phil

ps.  I also have Sticks & Stones, 88, and Pray Naked.  all
increadible!

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From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re: 77's and numerology
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:56:47 GMT

In article <1k5el3INN8vh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:
>
>        - There were 77 unread articles in rec.music.christian.
>
>        - I am listening to track 7 on my 77's CD as I write this.
>
>        - I have to get up at around 7:00 am tomorrow, so this
>                article will have to be pretty short.
>

	The live album (88) is 77 minutes long.  :-)


Rob
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From: superc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:12:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1k3utiINNn39
Organization: Kansas State University
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 The person who posted this is not only severely mis-informed, but obviously ignorant as well. This is rec.MUSIC.christian. I guess this person will, unfortunately, find out who's right and who's wrong when he dies and dwells in hell for all eternity...
-- 
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SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu        the earth to strengthen those whose hearts 
Dept of Industrial Engg.   are fully committed to Him" 2chron16:9 
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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:14:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about Cynthia Clawson?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, gt0429c@prism.gatech.EDU (Steve Perkins) writes:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Does anyone know if Cynthia Clawson will be coming out with 
> anything new soon?...I sure haven't see anything about her on this 
> group...Maybe there are one or two other fans around > keeping a low profile.

Cynthia gets mentioned often (at least by me ;-), but not w/ a basenote tied to
her. I'm expecting something new soon, too but haven't heard.

Personally, I prefer her when she stays away from the pop rut, preferring
her earlier work (Immortal, Hymnsinger, Carolsinger) to Words Will Never Do.
She often employs devices and staging in her concerts more borrowed from the
theater than the pop music world (her husbsnd, Ragan Courtney is an actor/play-
wright). That may sound corny or contrived, but she uses it not as a mask to
hide behind but as a tool to reveal her heart. I'd go to a Cynthia concert
for this reason alone: not because I'm a creaky who only likes "mainstream",
e.g. "He Touched Me" medleys, but because she is such an artist.

I'll try to remember to check the CCM ON tour listings for her...

Bob ("So dance in the grass, let the Word become flesh...")Miller
rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
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Subject: Re: Tonio K.
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:02:33 EST
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ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
> Don't know if you know this, but Tonio actually "came out" about 
> fourteen years ago.  His first album, "Life in the Foodchain," was 
> widely hailed in the secular music press.  I can recall a 
> _Rolling_Stone_ review that gave it five stars.  It's very much in 
> the "Angry Young Man" vein that was in vogue at the time with Elvis 
> Costello, Graham Parker, et. al.

over break i had the chance to read & logically picked the most trite
horror novel i could find. :^) (actually, it just happened to be lying
around when i was bored.) anyway, the story's about plague of vampires
that takes over LA. a few of them take over a radio station & guess
what they play? "Life in the Foodchain". so it seems that one Robert
McCammon has heard of him.

i thought it was an interesting place for Tonio K to show up anyway.

jason

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