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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:29:00 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:

>|There is a substitute  from Dupont called SUVA MP-52.  It requires a different
>|kind of oil and is not a drop-in.  Installation requires a complete flush 
>|of the system and the replacement of at least the dryer.  Cooling capacity
>|is unknown.

>Well, "Environment Friendly" Du Pont here is offering a S$500 (approx US$300)
>rebate on the 1st 100 cars in for a SUVA retrofit.  Actual cost is 
>S$2500-S$3000, or so they say.  When're you marketing GHG-12?

Don't get two different products confused.  SUVA is a sorta-dropin for 
existing systems.  It requires a different oil and dryer but should be
compatable with other system components.  R-134a is the killer that
requires practically the entire system be changed out.  Prices for this
are all over the place.  I use a price point of $1200 because a) that's
what the aftermarket guys around here have been quoting and b), that's
about what a new aftermarket AC costs.  

GHG-12 is on the market now and is selling briskly.  I'm not involved at
all in the marketing end of it.  George can put you in touch with
the right folks.

73 John


>lawrence

>|
>|The R-134a replacement is a major undertaking.  Just about everything except
>|the evaporator must be changed.  Industry estimates at conversion costs
>|range from $800-$1200 for a passenger car.  Neither R-134a nor SUVA may
>|be just plopped in an existing system.  Corrosive destruction and/or
>|almost immediate oil failure will be the result.  
>|
>|Your friend needs to find out what was put in his system pronto.
>|
>|John
>|
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From: plumpe@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Plumpe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Washers running off from the presure in the spare tire - Joke?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:00:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.27548
Reply-To: plumpe@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Plumpe)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:
>I got mail from a friend of mine who read this on the net. Could this be
>true or is this a bad joke. Sounds like a joke to me
>
   (about VW Beetle with w/washers run off air from spare tire)

    Nope, no joke.  I had a '59 beetle and I remember the available
accessories included such a washer system.  I wasn't too impressed either,
so I added an aftermarket unit with a squeezebulb mounted under the
dash.  It wasn't "automatic", but I needed the exercise anyway.
    BTW the acc. catalog listed many interesting devices, including
several pages of flowerpots!

-DaveP
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:03:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.045508.9013@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes (in defense of the indefensible...):
>
>Oddly enough, they like the Grand Cherokee more than the
>other SUV's even the Japanese!
>
	That's because it is head and shoulders above the rest, and it would
be highway robbery to decide in favor the the dated Pathfinder and 4Runner. 
The _one_ that does come close (besides the Explorer, obviously) is the new
Trooper.  Helluva truck.

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From: mlee@cs.arizona.edu (Michael (Yuk-Wo) Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Los Angeles Auto Show 1993
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:05:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


Last week I posted a news requesting information for the coming
Los Angeles Auto Show, but nobody has given me the exact date and time
so far.  If any of you knows the date and time and more information on
it, please let me know.  I believe it will be in LA Convention Center,
and should begin from early January.


Michael

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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:04:52 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov17.192249.8037@sol.UVic.CA>, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA 
(Andreas  Tovornik) writes:
> In article 15522@auspex-gw.auspex.com, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) 
writes:
> >In article <1992Nov13.224757.10765@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com 
> >(Bradford Kellogg) writes:
> >> A porch with a full leather interior? Gee, the house I grew up in had
> >> two porches, but neither of them had any leather at all, just pine
> >> boards with old paint peeling off....... :-)
> >
> >Obviously, you didn't have a Porch Carrera...
> >
> Is tat the PORCH with the removable roof?
> 


Naw the Carrera is just the current name for a Porch 911.

The porch I'm talkin about has a canvas roof...


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
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From: eytan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Joseph Alpern)
Subject: integra vs Prelude vs Celica
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:29:39 GMT

I am currently looking for a good used car to buy.  I have about $9000 to
spend and am intereseted in buying either an acura integra, a honda prelude,
or a toyota celica.  I am also debating whether to buy the a car in its first
year after a major redesign, like a 1990 integra or celica.  Please send any
comments and suggestions to eytan@leland.stanford.edu

Thanks,

Eytan

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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Hot rods & clunkers
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.131650.2526@infonode.ingr.com> greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz) writes:
>> > > ... *not* equating smoke-belchers with hod-rods.
>
>> > That is fine and dandy if you see a distinction.  The thing that 
>> > scares me is that _most_ environmentalists don't!
>
>> The govt. does not distinguish between the belchers and the 
>> rods/restored cars.
>
>It has been my observation that Hot Rodders / Restorers don't seem to
>be able to see teh distinction either.
> [...]
>When they see voluntary buying program, they think mandatory confiscation.
>Therefore the program is Evil.  Bad.  [blah] [blah]  [blah]

The problem I have with the proposed voluntary buying programs is not
the spectre of mandatory confiscation (which is there nevertheless); it
is that the current programs specify that the car is to be utterly
destroyed, including parts that could be used to repair or restore
other cars that are in better shape.  The only motivation I can imagine
behind this is to make it more difficult for owners to maintain the
remaining cars.

When I hear about a bill that allows the car bodies and engines to be
salvaged for other cars, I will support it wholeheartedly.  Until then,
I can't help but observe that it fits right in with both the
environmentalists' and auto manufacturers' agendas.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
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From: henry@bms.com (Henry Mednikoff)
Subject: Honda Civic 1990 Hatchback
Reply-To: henry@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:26:40 GMT

I have 1990 Civic (Honda).
Milage : 103,000 miles !
Problems: None.
It is the best small car I ever had.
(16 valve, 4cyl engine).
Keywords:
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford kicked my ass in court
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:19:05 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

When you write a letter of complaint to a big corporate entity, you're
a lot more likely to get an answer, and maybe some real action, if you
keep it short.  Don't tell your life story, don't berate the BCE for
not living up to their ads, don't use lots of flowery adjectives.
Spend one short paragraph describing the problem, one short paragraph
telling what remedy you want (just one remedy, don't give them multiple
choices), and send it off.  The BCE flunky that has to read these
things wants to get the gist of your message in thirty seconds.  If it
takes much longer than that, your letter will get shuffled to the
bottom of a tall pile of similar letters.

This note was 13,000 words long -- four pages in 10-point type.  It may
be awhile before anybody at Ford reads it.

(If you're writing a letter for the record before you go to court, that
of course is another matter.)

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: roneill@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: WHAT IS A MITSUBISHI EXPORT ?????????
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:53:23 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Could someone please tell me or describe to me what a
Mitsubishi Export is?

I called a rental agency in Florida to rent a minivan and
was quoted $286.00 /wk, which seems to be the going rate
plus or minus a few dollars.  I told her there were two
couples and a three year old and four or five suitcases.
She suggested a Mitsubishi Export would be perfect as seats
seven passengers and is only $179.00 /wk.

She told me it was loaded with a number of "neat" features,
was quite impressive to drive and was larger than a 
station wagon.

There are no Mitsubishi dealers around here and I haven't 
taken the time yet to look in a magazine.  Is this like 
Mazada MPV, Pathfinder or something?  Do you think it
would be appropriate for our needs while in Florida
(More or less transportation to the Beach, attractions and
between Clearwater and Orlando only).  

Thanks for any info.  I am sure there must be a number of these
vehicles on the road somewhere.

Thank you,

Bob O'Neill<RONEILL@ADM.DAL.CA>
From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Buy in late Dec92 or wait till Jan93? Any Advtgs?
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:04:18 GMT
Reply-To: avs20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

We are thinking of purchasing a minivan soon.
If we wait till Jan 1993, are there any cost savings such as registration
charges?
One minor plus is that our new car won't be hit by a drunk driver during
the holiday season-
Thanks in advance, Atul
Post or email to : avs20\@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.000435.10116@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>But don't get me wrong.  I still think that Japanese direct/indirect
>barriers to American cars are reprehensible and should be met with swift
>and tough retaliation.

I agree in principal.  But until US carmakers start producing the sort
of car that will have mass appeal in Japan, these trade barriers are
meaningless.  You literally almost couldn't give a US car to someone
in Japan.
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From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:58:12 GMT

dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.052214.29099@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Nov15.060407.1359@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>> >> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> >In article <1992Nov5.040209.4665@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
>> >> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>> >> >> 
>> I don't recall ever disagreeing with you.  As I recall, I specifically
>> excluded well-maintained classics (what you refer to as "special
>> interest" cars) from my suggestion.

>Ahh, well maintained classics huh?
>What about a 75-81 car that has been hotrodded?

Hmmm, I hadn't considered that.  Are we talking about a car that sees
regular street use, or one mostly driven at races/events for hotrods?
I'll grant you this:  before any governing body forms legislation on
this subject, it will have to think long and hard about how to word
it so the junkers go, but the 'rods and muscle cars that owners take
care of are given consideration.

What are you driving, anyway?

>>  Now, you tell me:  who wasn't
>> listening?

>You seem reasonable (so far) but I will reserve my final judgement
>until you answer my question above.

Well, it's only sorta answered (that's the best I can do given the
information available).  Besides, I'm the epitome of reason :-).


>> My point was that a car doesn't have to be a big-block to be
>> fun and fast, and that newer cars are much more likely to have
>> cleaner emissions than their ancestors.  Oh, BTW, I have no 
>> delusions about outrunning one of the big-block beasts
>> on a straightaway; that's why I specified a "winding country
>> road" :-).

>Now Scott you are forgetting that my car is a hotrod not a stocker.
>Do you really think that I'd forget to change the suspension around
>a little bit? :^) :^) :^)

Regardless, it would be a helluva lot of fun!  One of the drivers on
the Talon mailing list posted a few messages about his opportunity to
do some time-trials at a local track, and making a 'Vette driver *very*
unhappy.  It seems the Corvette couldn't hack it in the turns.
Say what you want about high-tech new cars, but God I love the way the
Laser handles!

--
Scott Borders
sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu
borders_scott@tandem.com

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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:40:19 GMT


>3000 VR-4:  Ugly, ugly, and ugly.  Did I forget to mention:  it is U-G-L-Y?

Ugly??!  That is one word I definately would NOT use to describe the 
3000GT!

Mike
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From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Good mechanic in Boston area
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:22:17 GMT

MacKinnon Motors in Cambridge at 2 Remington (corner of Mass Ave just east of 
Harvard Square).

Recently took my '87 Celica in for its 60k service and was very pleased with 
their work.  They were quite thorough and did a good job of explaining what 
they found.  Also very friendly.  This is the first time I've gone there so 
unfortunately I don't have any additional data points to back up this first 
impression.

Andy


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From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: Mazda scraps Amati
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:19:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.211736.19763@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
|> Due partly to the lacklustre US auto market, Mazda has abandoned its plan to
|> fill the market with yet another Japanese Luxuary car line, reported Autocar 
Just what the country needed, another $40,000 Japanese car line.  It is
getting more and more apparent that the Japanese have gotten to greedy
and/or have lost touch with what people want and what they are 
willing to pay.

Sales may have been lacklustre but both Ford & Chrysler managed to
sell more cars than the year before, and Saturn sold as many as they
could make.  Chrysler stock has gone from a low of $9 this year up to
$29 and made over $200 million in profits last quarter.  This is
before they even sold any of their new LH models.  In the same period
Nissan lost $200 million.

Speaking of Nissan, I drove past a guy driving the new Altima.  They
are positioning this against the Accord and Camry.  All I can say is,
it's a good thing they aren't trying to go toe to toe with Ford
Taurus.  I laughed when I saw the thing, it is both shorter and
narrower than my wife's Topaz.  I read somewhere it is about 2"
narrower than the Stanza it replaces.  By the way, it did not have
the Stanza badge they have in the ads, it just said Altima.  I'm
not sure exactly who their target market is but they start at $13K.
Maybe they want it to be a pocket rocket like the MX3?!?  Seriously,
if they are going after the mid-size market with this, good luck to
them.  The LH models start at only a couple thousand more than this.

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Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:35:09 -0500 
From: Jinmo Ahn <ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Japanese Sports Car Summary



Thanks for all the response to my previous post.  The common views
shared among the respondents were the following:

- For a 'pure' sports car, the RX-7 is it. It's light and fast. 
Everyone seems to have a good feelings about this car.  The ride quality
is sub-par. (This for me is a big negative)

- Mitsu 3000GT VR4 - Fast. Heavy. High-Tech.  Very good overall.  Very
low ground clearence. (Can't drive in NYC :)

- The 300ZX TT was described by most as fast and luxurious.  Seems to
have the right balance of both.  

I'm leaning towards the 300ZX TT at this point.  Hopefully, the new
Supra will be out soon.  In any case, I'll keep you guys informed of my
final choice.

Once again, thanks for your detailed reponses!

Jinmo Ahn

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From: rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli)
Subject: Washers running off from the presure in the spare tire - Joke?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:19:09 GMT


I got mail from a friend of mine who read this on the net. Could this be
true or is this a bad joke. Sounds like a joke to me

--------------------- Joke or not ------------------
 I am the happy (if occasionally agravated) owner of a VW Beetle - a
  convertable actually. Recently, while driving, I noticed the
   disgusting amount of gunk on my wind-screen, and I tried to get rid of
   it with the windscreen washers (you know, those little squirty things
    that put water on your windscreen).  I turned them on, but the water
     came out in a little dribble, and did little use. I shrugged my
      shoulders and put up with the dirt. 
       
	Later, my curiosity brought be back to the car, in an effort to
	 discover why my windscreen washers failed. A little snooping
	 around
	  under the bonnet, and in the appropriate manuals revealed the
	  answer: My spare tyre was flat. 
	    
	     Yes, you guessed it, the windscreen washers run on the
	     pressure in the spare tyre. 
--------------------- Joke or not ------------------
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:31:11 GMT

personally, I'd avoid pickups - you never know what kind of trouble
they can get you into - my mother always told me never to 
pick up a pickup or a hitch-hiker.....B-)



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From: bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807)
Subject: Wawanesa/20th Century:ADVICE WANTED
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:23:47 GMT


I am about to get auto insurance and would like to get some
feedback regarding Wawanesa and 20th Century. 20th Century
ranked low in terms of satisfaction in Consumer Reports; 
Wawanesa was not in their survey.

--- Bruce

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From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Subject: Re: Practical Luxury Car
Reply-To: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca ()
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:38:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.190458.23434@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
>Hy netters.  I have been thinking this for some time.  If you are rich and
>money is no object, what car would you buy for EVERYDAY use?  ............
> .................... Of course, it has to be luxurous, safe, fun to drive, 
>etc etc.  And the underline assumption is you LOVE driving.  So what do you
>choose?

Any of...

Lincoln Town car
Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham
Chevrolet Suburban
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