From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Crosswinds
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:56:07 GMT

In article <4062@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.201824.25160@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>In article <4015@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>>>Perhaps you might want to think about this for a second - consider that when
>>>a bird drops one wing it tends to bank in that direction (the same goes for
>>>and aircraft altho' its much easier to use the rudder).  Basically what they
>>
>>Cough.  Easier to use the rudder?  What've you been smoking, Capt. Bemben?
>>
>>Countersteering doesn't work with airplanes.
>
>okay Jonathan - try this on for size...
>
>When you counter steer you are doing with the handlebars basically what you
>are doing with the allerons of an airplane - you push the left handlebar and
>the bike "banks" left; when you bank an aircraft you are making the allerons
>work in a similar fashion (agreed they work in unison - one up, one down) but
>you are causing one to create a low pressure area on the left side (in effect
>pulling it down) and on the other side the same but in the opposite direction,
>pulling it up.  This manouver causes the aircraft to bank to the left turning
>the nose of the aircraft also in that direction.  You don't have to just
>push on one side of the handlebars of a bike, but push on one and pull on
>the other to produce (somewhat) the same effect.  Granted you aren't using
>airpressure to turn a bike but the effects are quite similar.

In the case of the bike, you turn one way to initiate a lean (bank) in
the opposite direction.  Hence the term "counter"steering.  In the plane,
if you don't touch the ailerons, but attempt to use the rudder to
initiate the turn, then you steer one way, and the plane banks in the _same_
direction.  Hence my statement that countersteering doesn't work with
airplanes.  And you don't turn an airplane by pointing the nose
any particular direction.  You bank the airplane, and (all together now,
rec.moto.pilots) "the plane is turned by the horizontal component of lift".
(Not to worry, this concept is misunderstood by plenty of pilots who've
been flying for a long time.  You'll fly better if you learn it early,
though.)

>No - I'm not a pilot (just a wannabe) but I have flown and do know the 

In addition to wasting time over in^H^H^H^H^H^H^H checking out rec.aviation.*,
don't just take the first instructor you happen to meet.  The best advice
I got from my first instructor, when I moved away, was to "look for an
instructor with a few gray hairs".  There are still a few WWII Navy pilots
out there teaching - if you can latch onto one, you'll get the education
of a lifetime.

ObMoto:  Get a.... Oh, never mind, Ed.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
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