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Subject: Guilt & weight
From: jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:48:55 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Recently, I experienced a rather (to me) weird experience.  
I've been loosing weight lately (about 410 to about 380 lbs).
I was telling a female friend of mine about this weight loss
and about how different it made me feel about myself in terms of \
energy, self confidence, etc.  I was rather surprised by the 
response she gave me.  She's slightly overweight (not more than 
20-30 lbs--with a huge self confidence problem).  She basically
told me that 30 lbs on someone like couldn't make any difference
and that it had to be in my imagination (!).  

This started me thinking about how weight (or more accurately,   
the perception of overweight) affects people.  This person, 
not very overweight, seemed to me to have a real problem with
someone of my size feeling good about my size, when they are 
very upset by their very minor weight problem.  It occured to me
that a minor overweight person (20-30 lbs) person like her 
almost seemed to NEED to feel that some like me (~100 lbs overweight)
HAD to be more unhappy, etc, than her.  Perhaps this is a kind of 
superiority feeling or such.  

By the way, for clarification, this person is the SO of my best
friend, not my SO (if that makes a difference).\

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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: hoots 'n' whistles
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:51:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

>I've had second thoughts about this silence thing.  Now I wish those
>guys could get it together to say something simple and respectful
>like, "Hey...you're lookin' good!"  I had a youngster (about 12-13)
>say that to me about three or four months ago, and it made my day.

Well, currently I'm trying to muster up the guts to ask this good-lookin'
blonde at Arby's if she's interested in going out dancing and adventuring
or just plain being together with someone.

>Not to mention giving me hope for the future of mankind, when a
>skinny boy just beginning to feel his sexual oats can say "You're
>lookin' good!" (and *mean* it!) to a fat women in her late 30's...

Oh dear, you would have LOVED me in my teen years. <giggle>
Probably is an interesting feeling on the woman's side to know
she's totally flooring this teen male.
<Wide-eyed smiles, "Whoa, you're so pretty!", etc>

Reminds me of the time I went to the Sequoians' park up in Castro Valley.
(A naturist park for those who don't know). I had met a lady there who
called herself Margaret Happy and was I think into A Course in Miracles.
She was letting me lay my hands on the side of her waist just a little,
and at one point she just looked me straight in my 20 yr old eyes and
said, "You love me, don't you?" 

At that level of interaction, I didn't even need to say in words what
was drawing me to her - if she couldn't tell my preference by that I'd
be pretty surprised.

The 30s really seem to be a decade that most fat women really shine.
The teen years are far enough behind and all that pent-up lust just
comes out pure and sharp. That more than anything is probably what gets
us "testosterone-poisoned" young bucks taking long looks.

>							--Fiona
-- 
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"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: bearcub@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Husky Cub)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: The limited relevance of diet
Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:51:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
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In article <#=0namf.avery@netcom.com> avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>(Where are all the gay men who like big men? :-))
>
I'm right here, what do ya want? :)

Correction: LOVE big men.

bearcub

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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: another mail-order catalog
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:06:36 GMT

Just got this one in the mail, and I wasn't sure if it had
been mentioned yet:

The Richman Cotton Company
529 Fifth St.
Santa Rosa CA 95401
800-992-8924
707-575-8924

Nice selection of fun cotton clothes for men, women, kids,
dyed to order in many bright colors.  This looks like
a terrific place to get that kelly green minidress or
whatever color-specific item you haven't been able to
find.  Good prices, too: bike shorts for $13-, turtlenecks
for $10-, T-shirts for $6.50.  These folks also make and sell
costumes for Renaissance and other "period" festivals.

They also may have the solution to my belt problem: a wide
cotton belt with a D-ring for $10-.  I'll report on what
the quality is like, after I get my first order.

						--Fiona
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: Guilt & weight
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:58:24 GMT

jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green) writes:
>This started me thinking about how weight (or more accurately,   
>the perception of overweight) affects people.  This person, 
>not very overweight, seemed to me to have a real problem with
>someone of my size feeling good about my size, when they are 
>very upset by their very minor weight problem.  It occured to me
>that a minor overweight person (20-30 lbs) person like her 
>almost seemed to NEED to feel that some like me (~100 lbs overweight)
>HAD to be more unhappy, etc, than her.  Perhaps this is a kind of 
>superiority feeling or such.  

I think you are right.  We fat people aren't supposed to be happy and
well adjusted.  And a woman like me who is not dieting and has no
intention of diets, and who feels quite beautiful and sexy; is 
particularly hard to take for people who need someone to feel
superior to.

Keep up taking care of yourself and be understanding of your friend.
That must be such a miserable feeling to hate yourself so much you
can't stand it when someone feels good about themselves.

Incidently, since I started feeling wonderful about myself, I find
I am attracting people to me.  I expect soon to have a man in my
life who is nuts about me.  

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: List of Supportive Magazines and Catalogues Wanted
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:05:20 GMT

Chesley Reyburn writes:
>I don't really care what the models look like.

I agree with you, Chesley (what a pretty name!), that what
the catalog literally offers is more important than what
pictures they use to display the product.  But I use catalogs
for more than just shopping: I use them to get ideas and to
build confidence in myself.  I just got a new one in the mail today
that includes a very elegant-looking brunette BBW.  I find it
most encouraging to look at these pictures of a woman who is
much fatter than I am, and yet outclasses me by a mile.  It
gives me something to strive for.

And then there's the obvious reason for preferring larger models:
it's darn hard to assess what a size 24 dress is going to look like,
when the dress in the picture is a 6.

							--Fiona
From: babcock@manticore.Eng.Sun.COM (Gigi Babcock, Mgr IBM Connectivity)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: more catalogs
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:10:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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Just in case these weren't already covered ...

Brownstone Woman
P.O. Box 440
Cresskill NJ 07626-0440
1-800-221-2468

Carries sizes 14W-26W
Mostly career dressing and evening wear with some casual clothes


Silhouettes
Hanover PA 17333-0251
1-800-852-2822

Carries 14W - 32W
Mostly casual clothes, some career dressing and evening wear,
shoes, bags, undies, robes, nightwear, 
--
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Gigi Babcock babcock@Sun.COM 
Sun Microsystems, 2550 Garcia, Mailstop MTV14-204, Mt. View, CA 94043
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Guilt & weight
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:23:27 GMT

davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:

>That must be such a miserable feeling to hate yourself so much you
>can't stand it when someone feels good about themselves.

Oh, that exclamation reminds me of these two times I really felt like my
own enjoyment of a situation - not sexual in either case, just general
peace of mind - was being disrupted by expressions of self-loathing.

In one case, I was lying on the steps of Sproul Hall, sunning myself,
and out of the corner of my ears I hear one woman higher up the steps
complaining about how "fat" her face was. I turned around, and saw this
Asian woman, who really probably couldn't be fat if she tried, and here she
was tearing at her cheeks and lamenting.

The other time, also coming from a thin Asian female, was down in Oakland,
as the AiBART bus took us down Hegenberger Road, past this frozen dessert
and sandwich place called Chubby Freeze. This young woman just leered at the
sign and said, "Well, I'm NEVER eating in there." I felt like telling her
to give them some credit for truth in advertising, and also to question what
in hell was so terrible about "chubby" anyway. But I was too burned out that
day to start in on something like that. I just sat and shook my head in
resignation.

>Incidently, since I started feeling wonderful about myself, I find
>I am attracting people to me.  I expect soon to have a man in my
>life who is nuts about me.  

I hope you and some raging FA make each other very happy.

>Barb
-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Satanism and Demon Summoning
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:03:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <66836@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
> 9209.29 e.v.
> 
> 
> Semhaza writes (among many nice things):
> 
> [some of this is paraphrased]
> 
> 
> +Example of Satanic demon worship (summoning)?
> 
> I thought that Enochian and Crowleyan demon-summoning, wherein one
> considers the demons one's ENEMY, was quite Satanic.  I can see where
> the (at least partially) sane would consider Cthulhoid creatures as
> foes which one may use for one's own purposes and this seems to qualify
> also.

Yes, I suppose it is, but I don't hear self-described Satanists talking about
demon-summoning in a manner that suggests they take it seriously rather than as
an emotional/intellectual exercise. I know you are going to tell me that you
are a Satanist and you take it seriously, so let me say now that you don't
count. I'm speaking on more general terms. If someone else crops up on this
newsgroup and says "Hey, I'm Satanic and I do Enochian calls every day," then
I stand corrected.

I'd also like to see more than one example.
 
> +Thyagi, you not taking Wicca seriously here?
> 
> There I was not, yes.  I don't know many Wiccans who are serious about magick.
> Most of them are quite inexperienced and focus on making the sun rise or
> other equally laughable unnecessaries.

Ha. Hahaha! That's funny. Especially since I always hear Wiccans talk about how
*practical* their magick is.
 
--Semhaza
"What I've felt
 What I've known
 Never shined through in what I've shown
 Never free
 Never me
 So I dub thee unforgiven"
	--Metallica, "The Unforgiven"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: dauer1@cc.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer)
Subject: Re: Comments on: LIBER CHAOS by Peter Carroll??
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:55:15 GMT

In article <66907@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred
Nagashiva) writes:
TMN>I recommend against the book.  I think Carroll's works are rip-offs
TMN>without references and he doesn't have the quality of a Crowley to
TMN>make up for it.  You're better off with Spare, Grant or even Gray.
TMN>Good luck.
TMN>Thyagi
TMN>-----------------------------------------------------------------
TMN>Ok, so its cross-posted to Hell and back.  I figured I'd say hi!  :>

I responded:
DSA>I respectfully disagree.  Lewis Caroll is awesome beyond belief.

In article <67002@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred
Nagashiva) continued:
TMN> LEWIS Carroll?  As in Dodgeson?  Does Peter claim to be an incarnation
of
TMN> the Carroll-soul-line?  :>  I think you may have been responding to me
TMN> from beyond the mirror, my friend.  Hehehe

I read it only in Hell; I read only alt.evil and not alt.satanism,
alt.pagan, or alt.magick, thus missing earlier articles in this thread.  I
do not know who in the Niffleheim Peter Carroll is.  I think Carroll, and I
am off in looking-glass land.  Honest mistake; you must forgive me, I am a
passionate devotee of Dodgeson's work.  *grin*

Looking back, I reflect now that perhaps if I had glanced at the title of
your article, I might also have seen more clearly.  Oh, well.  Gotta go
clear the smudges off my glasses.

The title of Carroll's work reminds me of _Principia_Discordia_ a
fascinating work I enjoyed entirely.

Diabolically yours,
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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Military and Satanic Organizations
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:05:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct4.013755.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>> Anyone getting the picture yet. What is it that the military and religions
>> have in common?
>> 
>> -Scott
>
>I've thought about this myself. I have the impression that one or other (or
>both) of the groups were proud of having members in well-placed "respectable"
>careers such as the military, implying that the military is a "real" job and
>someone who is an officer and believes your teachings, well that's really
>something. I could be wrong on this though.
>
>I don't think all religions share a lot with the military, but I can see the

Hmmm, what about R.Catholicism? I was referring to a more general principle 
anyway. Is the military "impulse" similar to the religious "impulse"?
Do religions use military style tactics to create conformity among their
followers? The Rev Sun-Yung Moon worked for the Korean army as a "brainwasher"
didn't he?
Think, what does the army do to recent inductees to separate them from 
mainstream culture? What do religions do?
It seems that at some point in both, the subject undergoes a "phase-transition"
where SHe becomes, to a greater or lesser extent, what the programmers are
trying to make; the subjetc is "imprinted"

I guess I'm makeing a general point now...
-Scott
From: twisted@bessel.umd.edu (Rick MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:37:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep26.162026.7098@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

[Apologies if this goes twice.  I sent it once and never saw it.]

This guy is a hoot!  I don't know why you guys want to get rid of him; he's
a classic!

He actually *corrected* my "Hellfire & Damnation" post, ignoring the irony
of the situation!  The post was a blatant use of faulty logic and misquoted
and out-of-context quotes from the Bible, not to mention gobs of hypocrisy.

Just see a few shining examples: (WARNING: major chuckles follow)

>In article <15707@umd5.umd.edu>, twisted@bessel.umd.edu (Rick MacKinnon) writes:
>> "And Bartholomew begat Shazera" (Gen. 6:14)  Does this tell you nothing of your
>
>Genesis 6:14 states, "So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it
>and coat it with pitch inside and out."
>
>What does this say about you fate?  I don't see how this applies.
>
>> claiming it is not true.  But I have proof!  God says, "My words are true!"
>> (Ecc. 5:14)  Does that not shake your souls to their roots?  But you will not
>
>Ecclesiastes 5:14 states, "or wealth lost through some misfortune, so that when
>he has a son there is nothing left for him."  
>
>> Ponder these words that Jesus spake unto the masses: "And ye shall take up thy
>> wages and earnings, denouncing them for their earthly pleasure, and ye shall
>> give them unto your Holy Leaders, your priests, who shall hold them in My
>> keeping." (John 4:21-24)
>
>What is that crap that you have written?  
>
>John 4:21-24 says, "Jesus declared, 'Believe me, a time is coming when you will
>worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.  You Samaritans
>worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from
>the Jews.  Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will
>worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers
>the Father seeks.  God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and
>in truth.'"
> 

Mr. Marshall, please continue your postings!  You mock yourself far more
eloquently than I ever could.

Twisted, aka Rev. John D. Baptist

"All religions are valid, except Hypocricy" -- Me
From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Mike Warnke
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:12:54 GMT
 <66836@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep30.024228.9412@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

I think some people might have mistaken what I meant by noting that Warnke
was *good* at getting things done through "satanic" demon-worship and
*lousy* at being a born-again Christian.  No, I don't think demonic forces
are taking any kind of revenge on him for having used such powers for evil.
I think he's a liar and an incompetent who compensates for his documented
shortcomings by spinning out a past that shows himself to have been an
improbably skillful mage among witnesses that are conveniently unlikely to
step forward.  You can tell who they are, though: they're the ones who have
the tips of their fingers cut off (vs.  Christians, who are discreet enough
to nip off the ends of their penises and hence are more difficult to
identify on the street.)

The _Cornerstone_ expose is damning, the more so because it was written for
a Christian magazine and uses identifiable friends of Warnke from the period
when he claims to have been a high priest of Satan, hobnobbing with Manson,
LaVey, and Co.  They all agree that, even before he emerged as a born-again
ex-Satanist, he was known among his college buddies as a bullshitter of the
first order.  The chronology of his career also makes little sense (Manson
was in prison for forgery (before the Tate-LaBianca murders) when Warnke was
supposedly chopping off fingers with him, etc.  etc.)

I'll send a photocopy of this if anyone is really interested in the
checkered past of satanic whistle-blowers.

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
From: JGR104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Crime and Satanism
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:39:07 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


      I am doing research on Satanism and the legal envirnment.  I would
 appreciate any information that you may have.  My study is on Satanism,
 should it be considered a crime, why can't the practices of satanism be
 considered a crime, what does the police and other enforcement organizations
 do to get around the first amendment, are there any statutory laws that get
 around the first amendment, and things of that nature... I would a appreciate
 any copies of articles that you may have, or that you could send.  Only
 intellegent commentors need respond.  Your help will be greatly appreciated.
                                  Sinjon.



  Please respond to me personally, using JGR104@PSUVM....Thanks A lot!!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:08:42 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Lost Book of the Bible?
 <1992Sep30.155656.8970@linus.mitre.org>
 <1992Sep30.201636.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

Harper & Row also has a fine anthology titled _The Other Bible_ that has
a variety of Cabalistic, Pagan, Apocalyptic, and Gnostic writings that
never made it into the canon for various reasons.  It's especially good on
"other gospels," and the notes are fine.  I've used it in my "Bible as
Literature" course at Penn State to give students a broader sense of what
ancient genres are represented in the various canonical scriptures.

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: A Few Comments from Uncle Sekhmet
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:55:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>One more post I'm doing for Scott...
>
>--Semhaza

Thanx, I was able to fix my problem.


>
>9. 
>We hope to avoid the Jungian trap of saying that we must live
>in the one-sided, alienated modern world and experience the
>Unconscious only symbolically and privately.  I'd like to share
>some things I wrote recently to a an RHP friend who teaches in
>New Mexico and had analysis with Marie-Lousie von Franz in the
>60's.,
>

Jungians seem to concentrate on symbols & their meanings, as given in dreams
synchronicities etc. Presumably the Setians have superior methods for contact
with the unconscious, collective & other... This is interesting. Hopefully
they aren't referring to the old hats like Tarot, Cabbalah, "demonology",
psychotherapy, psychodrama,... Do they refer to some general shamanic process 
where the practitioner is put in touch with the unconscious all the time?
 I would be interested in finding out more on this, if indeed they
do have something novel.


>One can try to find something to obtain unity with through various
>means of slaying the ego -- such as the quest for Nirvana or its
>equally sophisticated  Western counterpart Jungian work.  

[lotsa stuff deleted]
>
>Or one can try for a sort of spiritual self actualization -- accepting
>the Self's nonunion with the Cosmos and work on developing the
>self and after discovering the principles within making those
>principles manifest in the world outside.  I choose this feared
>option as the path to Becoming an immortal and powerful essence.  

The old "as above so below"...

>
>von Franz quote:
>
>"I'm not interested in becoming one with the archetypes that are
>my inheritance as a human.  I am interested in manipulating those
>archetypes to create the changes I desire in my subjective
>universe and guide me to greater spheres of action in the
>objective universe.  

This is most interesting; who is von Franz? A setian priest? OTO?

>

-Scott


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