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From: chips@eskimo.com (cav)
Subject: Re: the Nature of Honey
Keywords: Entomology, honey, lice, 1st century science
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:13:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.160349.547@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
}In article <1992Nov19.234419.20909@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
}
}>Now as to honey, my wife-the-entomologist says that honey is produced in the
}>following way:
}>
}>The bee sucks up the plant juices and holds them in its crop. When it is 
}>time to put the honey into the comb it is regurgitated and the bee holds
}>each drop between its mandibles and manipulates it. The honey is mixed with
}> ...
}
}Thank you for the explanation as to what exactly happens.  This is
}the reason given in the Talmud for bee honey being considered
}Kosher.  That is, the processing of the plant juices occur in the
}crop and outside the bees body.  ated

What is the crop of a bee? From the entomologist it sounds like its
a stomach, as the plant juice is "regurgitated" to make the honey.
From: ph105fcd@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: What is "GLATT" in reference to Kosher airline food?
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:20:58 GMT

I've been informed by the FAQ for rec.travel.air that Kosher meals
on airlines are "glatt" and "double sealed."  What do these terms
mean?

					Matt Harrington

-- 

mbharrington@ucsd.edu
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:46:11 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)

In article <1992Nov15.222809.1185@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz (David Charlap) writes:
>>  If so: Is plastic surgery for aesthetics reasons forbidden for a Jew ? 

>As far as I know, yes.  The obly surgery that is permitted is that
>which is essential.

Rav Moshe Feinstein z'tl permits it.
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-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Women saying Kaddish
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:14:07 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In: <1992Nov19.223231.743@vms.huji.ac.il>
backon@vms.huji.ac.il reports:

>From Thursday's YEDIOT ACHARONOT:
>
>Rabbi Abarjel, chief of the rabbinical court in Beer Sheva and a candidate for
>chief Sephardic Rabbi, has ruled that a woman may recite Kaddish in the
>synagogue if there are no male progeny or if there is a possibility that the
>son of the deceased will *not* say Kaddish. The woman must obviously sit in th
>women's section but the congregants should answer AMEN.
>---------------------
>
>Maybe there's progress after all.

Has Rabbi Abarjel been heard of after his opinion had been publicized?
:-)

>Josh

Michael Shimshoni
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Minyanim in Morristown?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:44:33
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu's message of 19 Nov 1992 12:19:11 -0500

In article <1egiagINNb48@STOVE.AI.CS.YALE.EDU> engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu
(Sean Philip Engelson) writes:

   I'm going to be in Morristown this Sunday, and would like information
   about early minyanim there, including, if possible, times, phone
   numbers, and so forth.  I need this info as soon as possible, as I'm
   leaving town (and email) tommorrow (Friday).  Thanks all.

If this is Morristown NJ, then you might try the Suburban Torah Center
in Livingston (despite the name, it's Orthodox).  The rabbi's name is
Moshe Kasinetz; he's probably listed in the phone book (or you can use
directory assistance for Livingston).  It's a straight shot down Rt. 10
into Livingston.
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Date: Sunday, 22 November 1992 14:38:27 MST
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Conservative vs. Orthodox Halacha (was Conversion Question)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1992Nov12.175344.16158@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, friedenb@birch.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)  wrote:
# Let's face it, the only minyanim that hold to C halacha is at JTS.
# Individual synagogues have "Ritual Comittees" of laymen making
# halachic decisions.

  You may be glad to be wrong; Beth Joshua in Scottsdale was founded
  with a charter reserving traditional decision-making authority to
  it's rabbi.  Odd bunch; they are refugees from congregations with
  dominant machers and heavy-duty politics.

  The rabbi, David Mayer, is an Israeli educated at an Orthodox
  yeshiva, and considers himself somewhat of a missionary to the
  decaying American Jewish community.

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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Why I think Kach's policies are racist (AND DANGEROUS)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:29:46 GMT

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
      DM writes:
># >	That is not the point, although G-d has made certain promises
># >that if X happens he will do Y.  Unless you are willing to call G-d a
># >liar, we can force Y by seeing to it that X occurs.
      WB writes:
># I would be interested in knowing what promises God has made.  Has he
># promised, for example, that if Israel adopts a particular policy (if
># so, which?) that a particular result is guaranteed?
       DM writes:
>	I did not want to get specific.  I do not think that we should eve
>try to force G-d's hand unless someone who has a lot more knowledge in
>these things than us (or at least me) tells us how to.  I was merely
>talking about a hypothetical which is possible.  It is unfortunate
>that the orignal claim I made this reply to is not around.  That
>implicitly makes me look like some sort of "weirdo" since the correct
>context is not being given.
   I had written that to undertake a course of action that, in the
   natural order of things, would lead to massive Jewish destruction
   unless an unnatural occurence (a miracle) occurs is an unjewish
   concept. I cited the incident of sdeh plishtim in support. 

   The relevance to the discussion is that the Kach platform, if
   implemented, would in the natural order of things turn the
   possibility of the world "ganging up" on Israel into a
   certainty. Therefore, advocating the Kach platform is an
   attempt to force the hand of God.

   You (DM) replied that God has made promises that if Jews do
   X, then God will do Y, and you asked whether I denied
   this. I responded that accepting
   this principle says nothing as to whether a
   specific action (an X) is one of these divine promises.
   I invite you to state explicitly what the divine promise
   is, the X and the Y, that covers the Kach platform.

   In another posting, I stated that the Kach platform was to
   offer the resident Arabs (Israeli and non-Israeli) a status
   where they would have no political input into government.
   Those who would not accept this arrangement would be expelled.
   The acceptance/expulsion would be on an indivdual basis.

   You did not object to this description of a Kach policy,
   but I would like to confirm that you agree that this is
   their policy. If you don't, but you recognise what I'm
   referring to, please post the accurate statement. If you
   deny that there is any Kach policy that is even remotely
   similar, please state this denial.
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What Does it take to be a Prophet/Messanger?
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:54:56 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
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In article <1992Nov8.030057.8951@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
|> I would be grateful for answers to the following:
|> 
|> 1) Who is the last person which Judaism regards as a prophet
|>    and/or messanger from God?

Chagai & Mallachi.

|> 2) Are there any criterions one has to fill to be considered a
|>    prhophet/messanger?

answeredby others
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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:48:38 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <2788@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <1dkd2iINNbv9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>>Is there a chance it will be kosher???
>
>Wendy's is kosher in Jerusalem.  In Tel Aviv, they are open on Shabbat
>and have no kashrut certificate (although they assert that all
>ingredients used are kosher).  There's no Pizza Hut in Jerusalem, the
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>one in Tel Aviv has no certificate, either (at least it didn't last
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>time I was in the neighborhood).  I don't know if it's open on Shabbat
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>as it's located in a shopping mall (which I don't go into on Shabbat)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>or what they claim about the ingredients.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Pizza Huts in Rehovot and Netanya do have kashrut certification.

>
>There are also Israeli chains that have kashrut certification in
>Jerusalem but not in Tel Aviv so it would not be surprising for
>McDonald's to follow this pattern.
>--
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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:33:55 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Nov19.061548.20932@cis.ohio-state.edu> khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:

[much stuff about moving O -> C -> R -> Christianity  deleted]

I would like to recommend the late Rabbi Meir Kahane's z"l
(Acharei-Mot Kedoshim Emor/De mortuis nihil nisi bonum) book: 'Why be
Jewish'.  Like many of his books there is much paranoia, but he does
make some exteremely pertinent points on this matter.

>
>Thanks,
>Dima
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>   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio, USA)


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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Conservative vs. Orthodox Halacha (was Conversion Question)
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.234820.2500@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>As an aside, no one argues when men take upon themselves an
>obligation. For example, the big talit discussion going on right now
>should note that wearing a talit is an obligation that those wearers
>voluntarily take upon themselves.  They go out and make or buy a
>talit just to take upon themselves this obligation.

Not a good example. By O lights, a bar mitzvah *always* has the
obligation of tzitzit; if he wears a four-cornered garment of the
appropriate size in the daytime, it *must* have tzitzit. When a
bar mitzvah wears a tallit, he's not taking on a new obligation;
he's just seeking out a situation in which the preexisting
obligation would be relevant.

By contrast, when a woman takes on the obligation of tzitzit, it
really is a new obligation. Before, she could wear a
four-cornered garment in the daytime without tzitzit, and it
would be no sin whatsoever. Once she takes on the obligation,
that changes; if she wears that shawl (or whatever) without
attaching tzitzit, it is a transgression, and she is culpable for
it.

That said, it is true that both men and women can take on new
obligations, and they are binding; I've heard this from several O
rabbis. However, the level of obligation is different from that
of a person who was obliged willy-nilly.
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: Religious freedom in Spain
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:10:22 GMT

In <30468@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller) writes:
>Saturday, November 14, 1992

>Spain has declared Jews, Muslims and Protestants the legal equals of
>Roman Catholics, 500 years after Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand ordered
>Jews expelled.  The constitution granted religious freedom, but only
>Catholics had an agreement on financial and legal rights.  Non-Catholics
>now will be able to study their own theology in public schools, their
>religious weddings will be recognized, and their places of worship will
>have tax-exempt status.   (Page 4-A)

Spain was bending over backwards to try to show itself a state of the 
modern world for the Olympics.  The Spanish ambassador here attended
the ceremony organized by Sepharad '92 commemorating the Expulsion.
Whether this really trickles down to the population in term of hiring
practices, equal oportunities, etc. is another question.

>Nelson Muller
>nmuller@ems.cdc.com
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Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     
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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:47:49

In article <1992Nov17.235231.26553@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>   The way I've seen the formula is
>	    i(pi)
>	   e     + 1 = 0
>
>   which uses what are arguably the five most "interesting" numbers
>   in mathematics (e, i, pi, 1, and 0).
>
>   This hardly constitutes a proof for God's existence, since the
>   laws of Mathematics are eternal and invariant.

Ah, but it _does_ prove that there is a God.  But which God, I wonder?
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:38:52
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 22:40:21 GMT

On 18 Nov 92 22:40:21 GMT, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
said: 
> In article <FAIGIN.92Nov18142024@soldan.aero.org>, faigin@aero (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>>Religion (and that's what Judaism is, at the heart of it) is a matter
>>of belief.

> Yet another typical Reform borrowing from Christianity.

I disagree. You are alluding to the notion of peoplehood; that is, of the
Jewish people as opposed to the Jewish religion. What makes the Jewish people,
when you go down to the deepest level. It's not genetic, it's not a race, it's
not a gender, it's not an ethnicity (there are Asian Jews and African Jews and
Mexican Jews and ...). It is a shared belief in the Jewish concept of God, and
a shared reverence for the Torah and what it stands for. This, my friend, is a
belief system -- a religion. Judaism *is* a religion that created a people,
but it is a religion.

Are you saying that Judaism is not a religion? That there are no beliefs?

Daniel
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From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: San Diego Jewish Singles
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:27:41 GMT
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org


Rabbi Baruch Lederman hosts a Wednesday evening discussion group for
Jewish Singles that will meet at his home at 8 PM this week.  He
usually has two tables of 10 each in his living room that
participate in a moderated discussion on various topics.  He has set
up two additional tables, waiting just for you!

He calls the group 20-something, based on Aish Hatorah's group in
LA, which was recently written up in the LA Times. The LA group
has a standing-room only crowd, well over 100, and suggests reservations!
(The advantage of Rabbi Lederman's group is that you don't need name-tags
and there is plenty of parking.)

Rabbi Lederman's group meets near SDSU and he has posted flyers in many
of the Jewishly-owned restaurants, but if you haven't seen one, you can
get his number from information (or from me).

--Michelle Gross
mgross@Nosc.mil
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Interest, Mortgages, Commodity Markets and Baba Metzia
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:07:16 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <19Nov92.150406.7646@granite.ciw.edu>, cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
> 
> I am studying Baba Metzia and wonder what current thoughts and
> practice are regarding interest.  According to the Talmud, both
> paying and receiving interest from Jews is forbidden.  It is
> permitted to lend and borrow from non-Jews, but a Jew cannot
> borrow money from a non-Jew that was lent to the non-Jew by
> another Jew.  Furthermore, indirect interest is also forbidden, so
> that commodity markets would also be forbidden.  Is there a
> commodity market in Israel?  What about mortgages?  What is the
> situation in Israel?  I would appreciate any
> comments/clarifications/corrections.  Thanks,
> --
> Ronald Cohen
> Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
> 5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015

There *is* a stock market in Tel Aviv known as the "Boursa".

To answer your question on "legalizing" interest in Jewish law:


A form of 'legalization' of interest has been established in the HETTER ISKAH
(permission to form a partnership). A deed, known as SHTAR ISKAH is drawn up
and witnessed, and stipulates that the lender would supply a certain amount
of money to the borrower for a joint venture. The borrower alone would manage
the business and he would  guarantee the lender's investment against all loss.
He would also guarantee to the lender a fixed amount of minimum profit. The
SHTAR ISKAH also contains a stipulation that the borrower would be paid a
nominal sum as a salary, as well as an agreement on the part of the lender to
share the losses. The amount of the loan plus the guarentted minimum profit
would be recoverable on the SHTAR at the stipulated time it matured.

In Israeli banks and when one takes out a mortgage in Israel,  the *fine* print
usually includes AL PI HETER ISKAH.

Of course you *won't* find this on loans taken from your friendly neighborhood
loanshark. Interest here can be an astounding 1000% per year :-)
Seriously, for some odd reason, the  usury law in Israel either never existed
or was stricken off the books. I once expressed  my dismay at this lack of a
usury law to a friend of mine, a district court judge, and even *he* was
embarrassed.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:34:36 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
 <1992Nov11.161001.2799@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
 <1992Nov18.005516.933@bony1.bony.com> <dfs.722132308@vash>

In article <dfs.722132308@vash>, dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) says:
>
>In <1992Nov18.005516.933@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
>Livni) writes:
>
>>The shrill criticism of Kahane by other Jews, did not enhance the
>>position of Jews as much as it darkened the image of Kahane,
>>deservedly or otherwise.  This very witch-hunt, which some Jews pursue
>>with a sense of self-laudatory satsifaction, produced a jury in NY
>>State that ACTUALLY BELIEVED that El Sayid Nosair did not shoot Kahane
>>and that Meir Kahane was actually shot by one of his own followers in
>>public in a Manhattan hotel.
>
>You can prove that the fact that some Jews criticized Kahane PRODUCED
>a jury which let Nosair go free?  Ok, I'll bite - I'd be interested
>to see how you do this.  It seems to me that you're using what is evidently
>a miscarriage of justice in the U.S. to try to silence Jewish opponents
>of Kahane.
>

Of course, didn't you know, anything bad that happens is the fault of Jews
who are critical.

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