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From: jdude@sol.acs.unt.edu (JDude Hancock)
Subject: pREVIEW of TNG: Ship in a Bottle (SPOILERS)
Keywords: ship in a bottle
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:24:19 GMT

SPOILERS!!!























I re-watched Elementary, Dear Data right before Ship in a Bottle
aired tonight, and I came up with a few things that I wanted to
see in Ship in a Bottle.

1) Data and Geordi as Holmes and Watson again.
2) Moriarty as anything but an endearing gentleman.
3) Moriarty mention the absence of Dr. Pulaski.  (Not likely)
4) Barclay a little more "adjusted" than last time.  (Realm of Fear)
5) Moriarty NOT leaving the holodeck.  (Can of worms if he did)
6) A ship in a bottle.

Well, I got 1, 2, 4, and 5, and I got 6 if you stretch it.

This was a good episode BECAUSE it was a "holodeck episode" rather
than IN SPITE of it, which is something that I didn't expect.

The keyword after watching the episode was "shells."

JDude say: A worthy sequel to Elementary, Dear Data.
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From: jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen)
Subject: Kira is No Ro!
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:04:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Keywords: kira ro


All the lust engendered by Kira is, in my opinion,
irrelevant to the fact that she is not right for
the part and, right now, is an obstacle to DS9
being a better show.

Kira seems to me to be another Tasha. I mean this in
the sense that she is supposed to be a survivor of
a very harsh childhood, someone with some scars and
wounds that
affect her outlook on life. Tasha always made reference to
her awful childhood dodging the rape gangs, but she
was not able to persuasively act the part of someone who
had grown up that way (I guess Bing saved all his
childhood abuse for the boys and didn't mess with his
grandaughter).

Same goes for Kira, supposedly
the survivor of cruel refugee camps, but in personality
someone who acts very centered, very much in one piece,
able to access, idnetify, and express emotions. I
like the character of Kira, who reminds me of a warm and
strong ethnic woman from New York or Boston, but hardly a
survivor of Cardassian genocide.

Ensign Ro, on the other hand (name of actress?), had (s)
this convincing aura of enduring injury and confused
emotion about her. I was able to suspend my disbelief and
believe her as a survivor of some serious childhood
trauma. She also had a lot of integrity, which --along with
her woundedness--made her, in my opinion, a fascinating
character.

Was Ro originally slated for the Kira part? I wish she had
taken it, as she was able to personify the pain and struggle
of the refugee tribes looking for nationhood in *our* world,
be they Bosnians, Kurds, Palestinians, or Sabras. I think
DS9 still has a way to go in making the Bejoran condition
compelling and meaningful.

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: DS9: Model or computer generated?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:35:14 GMT

In article <C16DF1.4BK@newsflash.concordia.ca> patrice@cenparmi.concordia.ca (SCATTOLIN patrice) writes:
>
>Are the exterior of the stations computer generated or is there
>a model of the space station?

It's a model.


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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Kira and her scale on the babe-o-meter
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:44:20 PST

Personally, I like Kira and Dax both, and I would like to have a beer while
watching them mud wrestle.  Flame on, Johnny!

Scott (your flames won't make it past the beer) VanArtsdalen

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From: sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian)
Subject: Re: Rating of women on ST/ST:TNG/ DS9
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:42:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.030640.17766@news.uakron.edu> dskowron@serj.polymer.uakron.edu (Daniel Skowronski) writes:
>With 10 being the sexist being to grace the screen, I rank
> 
>Tasha Yar......10.0
>Ensign Ro......8.5
>Kira ..........7.0
>Dax............6.5
>Troi...........5.0
>Horta(Silicon based life form)...0.1
>Harry Mudd's Wife.....0.0
>
>
	Your girlfriend must look like Tasha Yar.  She's not bad, but not
a 10.0.  Dax is far sexier than a 6.5.  Please tell me which ST you've been
watching...it's definitely not the right one.  (Plus you forgot Wesley's
babe, Robin (The Game))

					Love,

						Dorm-Rec
From: mastr@husc8.harvard.edu (claudia mastroianni)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Space Bars-A Comparison
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:47:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan24.184748.19754
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <C12u13.B21@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
>The new  SF space shows (DSN & SR) affords an interesting opportunity  to 
>compare an environment that seems to have become a staple in space science 
>fiction since the advent of Star Wars, namely the Space Bar. 
>
>Any bets that Babylon 5 will offer yet another variation on the 'Space
>Bar' theme?
>
>paul m.

Minor Babylon 5 spoiler:















Yep, B5 has it's own version of the Creature Cantina, a casino.

Claudia
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From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed)
Subject: STTNG Video Club
Organization: SPS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:27:17 GMT


I'm very happy today. I just joined the STTNG video club from  
Columbia House. I've been wanting to join for about a year but didn't  
know how to go about it. I can't wait to start receiving the videos.  
Will they come in the order they were broadcast?

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Model or computer generated?
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:07:32 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan21.221041.14491@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
<In <1993Jan21.154704.22857@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
<>>Are the exterior of the stations computer generated or is there
<>>a model of the space station?
<>>
<>>Thanks
<>>
<>>
<>If it's done by the same people who create the graphics for ST TNG, the
<>answer is "yes"

The answer is NO, depending on how you want to understand the question.  In this
case, the answer is no, they are not computer generated.

<Exteriors of DSN space station, and the Enterprise, and all the other
<vehicles in the syndicated Star Trek universe are created by ILM and
<they are models.  True, in many cases elements are combined by
<computers, or enhanced (addition of lights, shields, phasers, etc)

ILM hasn't had anything to do with ST:TNG since the premiere.  They have
nothing to do with ST:DS9.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:37:01 CST
From: Wesley Bielinski <U53734@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour"

Also playing in Chicago on April 10th & 11th.
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Quality of Life (DSN Spoilers for "A Man Alone")
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:55:50 GMT

linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
:)DSN Spoilers for "A Man Alone"

:)It looks like we have another glaring inconsistancy on our hands. In "Up the
:)Long Ladder" Riker and Pulaski seemed to have no qualms (legal or moral)
:)about killing their still developing clones. Yet in "A Man Alone," the clone
:)was allowed to fully develop and be on its way under the premise that it was
:)a living breathing person and had a right to live its life, and that simply
:)killing it once the Doctor figured out what/who it was would be wrong.
:)If "killing your own clone is still murder" then Riker and Pulaski should be
:)behind bars. Either that, or some new federation law has been enacted
:)protecting the rights of clones. Thoughts?

In "A Man Alone", the clone was a fully alive individual, living its own life
(and enjoying it until the very end :). In "Up the Long Ladder", the clones
were yet to be fully developed. If anything, the issue is similar to that
of the abortion issue, in that the question is "at what point of development is
it permissible to terminate a clone's existance?"

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From: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet)
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:58:14 GMT

	My favorite is the TNG episode where the Enteprise and a 
Romulian vessel are in orbit around Iconia (sp?) and being attacked
by a computer virus. Geordi is using a com panel and starts getting
zapped due to a malfunction, Data sees this and trys to rush over and
pull him away from the panel. Trouble is Data was a little over zealous
and flings Geordi (one handed) across the room, the facial expressions
and fidgiting done by Data had me in stitches, too bad the bit of
dialog between Data and Geordi on the floor (which was for comic effect)
came across so poorly).

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From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: Denise Crosby
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:21:33 GMT

FYI:  I was reading the tv guide this week and noticed that Denise Crosby
is going to be on the new series "Key West".  Good to see she's working
again!

Renee
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From: gsarff@wicat.com (Gary Sarff)
Subject: Re: DSN: Past Prologue: Dr. B
Organization: WICAT Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:25:46 GMT

scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:

>On Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:50:22 GMT, eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu
>(Erik Oliver) wrote:

>EO>Okay, well I watched the opening Garret-Bashir scene again last night from
>EO>Past Prologue, and once again I was struck by the awkwardness and
>EO>potentialy/actual homophobic nature of the scene.  Before you flame me,
>EO>let me try to explain what I am saying about the scene.

>EO>Now, let me make myself clear, it wasn't the characterization of Garret
>EO>I object(ed) to, in fact I rather enjoyed it.  It was the response by
>EO>the Dr.   Which granted, may have just been played wrong by the actor,
>...
>Homophobic?  I don't think so.  I'm about as gay-friendly as a straight
>person can be, and yet I don't think I would have acted very differently
>than Bashir.  Someone I've never met, someone whom everyone says is a spy,
>comes up to me putting his hands on my shoulders and talking patronizingly
>like that - yeah, I'd think that's a little creepy.  Someone may have

That is my impression after watching it again last night while making a 
copy of it for someone else.  It never occured to me that the cardassian
was being anything but patronizing.  Also I felt there was a lot of the
feeling of cat and mouse, bashir being the mouse of course.  The cat plays
with the mouse being on the surface a congenial visitor but enjoying the
uncomfortable situation it puts the doctor in, and enjoying the fact that
the doctor cannot do anything about it without losing face.

  Very similar to the way that the cardassian who was torturing picard
acted in chain of command.  Did he not also at times toy with picard,
demonstrating a false sense of interest and empathy with his poor prisoner,
before unsheathing the claws again?  
'..Here have some food.'
'..Oh I would enjoy debating with you.'
etc.

I think Dr Bashir has been singled out, much the same way a predator, say
a large cat or a wolf will run a herd in order to pick out the stragglers,
the weak ones, the defenseless ones, and probably get some enjoyment out
of doing it.  Watching the prey cower, wondering when the fatal blow would
fall.  I think Dr. Bashir has been singled out.


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From: martinso@cps.msu.edu (David Scott Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Past Prologue"
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:56:01 GMT
Reply-To: martinso@cps.msu.edu (David Scott Martin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantic.cps.msu.edu
Originator: martinso@atlantic.cps.msu.edu

I think the "gold-pressed..." was "gold preslatinum" or something like that.
A variant on platinum?  

But why would gold be valued everywhere, anyway?  Couldn't there be a planet
where gold is as common as dirt is here?  Just a difference in the available
elements...different chemistry in the planet's formation.
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kill Troi fan club
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:30:09 GMT
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca's message of 23 Jan 93 13:34:47 GMT
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> On 23 Jan 93 13:34:47 GMT, sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet) said:

> Many people feel TNG is starting to go downhill, and I'm one of them. I think
> the crew needs to be shaken up a bit and some new blood added to the show,
> plus some more 'dark' plots. For everyone in agreement with me, here's
> a proposal. Kill Troi!!!! So I hereby start the official 'Kill Troi fan
> club', I plan to break the club down into several sub-committees that
> will research and plan future scripts to be sent to the writers, here
> are the suggested first committees:

[...committee list deleted...]

How about:

9. "Ship her to DS9 -- I'm someone there would find her... diverting" (perhaps
the medical officer that's after Dax?).

Actually, I would prefer:

10.  "Riker and Troi consummates the relationship and settles down on some
planet it somewhere"  :-)

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From: johnsos@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (johnson scott andrew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:17:41 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

In case you all were wondering--the real reason Picard does not speak French
more often in TNG.....

It is a dead language in the 24th century!!!!

This is CANON!  Have you forgotten the conversation on the bridge in "Code Of
Honor" regarding "counting coup", where Data refers to it as an "obscure Earth
language"?????

It is studied, much as we study Latin today, but it appears that French is no
longer commonly spoken, except for the occasional "bonjour"!

For those who don't like this, I have one thing to say:  C'est la vie!

(donning an asbestos suit, and shielding myself with a large dose of :> :> :> )

/sj/

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From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Please create rec.arts.startrek.ds9 !!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:04:18 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu
Keywords: ds9

[Followups directed to .misc where this sort of thing belongs.]

In article <1993Jan24.215400.7993@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> cameron@lpl.arizona.edu (Cameron Williams) writes:
>In article <c9l3pzk@rpi.edu> palmj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm) writes:
>>Please let us create rec.arts.startrek.ds9.  Of the 758 articles
>>accumulated since I last read r.a.s.current, AT LEAST 368 of them
>>were DS9 related (not counting the group split discussions).
>>
>>That's just about ----> 49% !!
>
>I agree.  That way I don't have to kill the 51% I don't want to read
>(TNG get up and die!  DS9 rules!!!)

Actually, the flow analsys for r.a.s.c covering last week in
news.groups does not bear this claim out.  Roughly 50% of .current's
traffic belongs in .misc or .tech.  DS9 traffic was someplace in the
10-20% area.


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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Clones
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:25:56 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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Daniel Brown (dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu) wrote:
>> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
>>>From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
>>>In the recent DS9 episode "A Man Alone", or something like that,
>>>Sisko and Odo allow the villian's clone to live.  Why?  What would
>>>prevent this clone (or, rather, save him) from doing the same thing
>>>his original did?
>>...
>>Who says that criminal tendencies are implanted in one's DNA?
>...
>STTNG basically assumed that cloning would reproduce enough recent memories
>to fool Odo into thinking the clone was the original criminal.  Otherwise,
>the clone wouldn't have recognize Odo at all.  

I believe the assumption that the person Odo accosted in Bar is the clone
is not founded.  That could very well have been Ibudaan, afterall, the
accosted person planted the rumors about being afraid Odo would kill him.
The clone could have been a trusting idiot enjoying the Holo-suite and
still have served the same purposes (since Odo was kind enough not to
break anything while tossing Ibudaan around).

Mark Runyan
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Khan and English in "Space Seed"
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan25.061626.26008
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1993Jan25.040500.8822@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.
Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes (re what I wrote earlier about 
"standard"):

>     Unfortunately, this whole standard thing comes down like a house
>of cards when one watches the TOS episode "Space Seed", featuring the
>first ever appearance of Khan.  When he is revived, and Kirk says
>something like "who are you" to him, he answers with this:
>"English!  You speak English!?"

Well, along with the thought of "standard" (and other languages) being
automatically translated for our benefit, Kirk probably WAS actually speaking
English to Khan.  Insofar as Khan's first words to him--"How long?" were in
English, Kirk responded in that tongue, it being familiar to him from his
boyhood in Iowa.
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From: gt0552c@prism.gatech.EDU (PILCHER,DAVID ANDREW)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Don't EVER use the subject: RE:RE
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:33:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



     I recently had about a month's worth of posts to catch up on in 
r.a.s.c. and was flippin' through them when I cam upon a subject called
RE:RE in which a poster was miffed about using the RE: prefix.  Well,
I didn't care much about reading it, so I used the trusty KILL command
and subsequently killed all the follow-up comments to all the subjects
on this newsgroup.  I'm kinda ticked that I just lost about 350 posts.
Okay, okay, maybe I could have seen it coming, but please, PLEASE don't
ever use a subject like that.  If for no other reason than out of respect
to those of us who KILL without thinking.


     Okay, I feel better.


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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: No Vulcans!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:55:04 GMT

In <1993Jan21.193544.6720@desire.wright.edu> cse1011@desire.wright.edu writes:

>In article <kbrill.008o@GACSTL.UUCP>, kbrill@GACSTL.UUCP (Kenneth Brill) writes:
>> In an article, abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>>>>Has anyone noticed that there are no Vulcans as regular characters in

>>> 
>> Romulan Commander Father??????? I know it's 4 in the morning but I just can't 
>> get a grip on that one.

>Spock's "Romulan Commander Father" probably refers to the fact that the 
>actor who played Spock's father in "Journey to Babel" also played the
>Romulan commander in an earlier episode (I'm ashamed to say I forget the
>name of the episode).  They are not the same character, but I've known some
>people who actually think that they are.

DAMN! I didn't think it would spark this much controversy. I was the one
who said that, and this person here nailed it. I meant that "sarcastically"!
I knew they weren't the same character but the fact that they were played
by the same actor makes it seem humourous. Maybe Spock is part Romulan and
doesn't even know it! Hey, we didn't find out about Sybok until ST 5!
Maybe Sarek didn't know he had a twin brother! Or better yet... a half
brother (like Spock is to Sybok!).
Now before everyone jumps me. I am not saying that this is true! I don't
believe it is. This remark is also SARCASTIC! So remember that!

Alan Bick


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