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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mouse no longer clicks!
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:28:04 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee) writes:

>Help!!

>The ADB mouse on my SE/30 stopped working on Christmas day :-(  It no longer clicks :-(  Now I am stuck with my old Plus doing all my work (I know I can use Easy Access, but it's just too awkward).  Anyway, if anyone knows how to fix this problem, please email me at SHL1@CORNELL.EDU soon!  I am a poor college freshman and really don't have the extra budget to get a new mouse :(

>Oh, BTW, my mouse is made by Apple, originally came with the SE/30.  Thanks a bunch!!

>Steven Lee
>SHL1@CORNELL.EDU

Assuming you're out of warranty... How brave are you? Doesn't matter, you've
got nothing to lose:

First test. Try your "dead" mouse on another Mac. This will probably
prove that it's your mouse that's dead. If not, you have a dead ADB
chip (which is REALLY bad news). This probably means going to Apple
and getting it fixed. "Oh, the 50c ADB chip is dead. I'll swap 
motherboards. $500 please." Let's hope this test is negative.

Next test. Try straightening out the cable, especially near the mouse-end,
and clicking. Try "bunching it up" (sort of push it into the mouse) and
try clicking. If this fixes anything, then the cable that connects your
mouse to your mac is stuffed. If the problem is near the mouse end, you
can crop the cable and reconnect the shortened cable to the appropriate
bits of your mouse's interior. (Warning: this will require soldering.)

Didn't get anywhere?

Open up your mouse (leave it hooked to your computer, but don't boot the
computer 'til the mouse has been opened up).

I don't feel like explaining the workings in detail, but the question now
is:

Note: the fact that our last test didn't prove anything doesn't mean the
cable ISN'T the problem, so...

1) Is the cable good? If you close the button circuit (this is a component
(generally a grey, black, or white box) under the external button) and
this doesn't work, then there's a break in the cable. If you can isolate
this problem (it's probably near the mouse-end of the cable, and if so
you can crop the cable and reattach it; which is messy, since you have
to cut off the rubbery thing that holds it in place and glue it on to
the new "end"...) you can save your mouse.

2) Is it the button? If the cable is okay, the button is presumably stuffed.
If you can get a replacement component button (Tandy?), then that's
easier to fix than the cable (but less likely).

The mouse is really pretty simple, and button problems are simpler than
tracking problems.


Tonio Loewald

-- 
Tonio Loewald | tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au | Life is short. Be nice.
"You can lie/You can cry/For all the good it'll do you, you can
die/But when it's done/And the police come/And they lay you down
for dead/Just remember what I said" (Paul Simon-not the senator)
From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 14.4k modems--feedback needed
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:00:44 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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X-XXDate: Tue, 29 Dec 92 09:58:08 GMT

In article <Bzt26E.Hq5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Todd, thf28310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
writes:
>I'm in the market for a 14.4K v.42bis modem.  I'm looking at
>Zoom, Practical Peripherials, Logicode, and Supra.
>
>Any one have any comments about any of these?  I want 14.4k data
>transfer and fax would be a bonus.

I have the Global Village PowerPort in my PB. The stand alone model
(TelePort) has a power supply and whatnot to make it stand alone. It is
an excellent product - highly recommended.

Lawrence
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: steve@intellection.com (Steve Martin)
Subject: Re: Duo 230 Hard Drive Q?
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:12:33 GMT

In article <BzFuFy.GA9@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> cmparris@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish) writes:

    The question I have is about the internal Duo drive (an 80 meg). I've noticed
   that every so often it makes a little thunking sound (the closest thing I have
   heard to it before is the sound a 44 meg Syquest makes when it is winding down,
   right before the lights go off and you can eject the cartridge). I've made
   sure that sleep and the screen diming are off, and it continues to happen
   even when docked...anyway know if this might be a problem about to surface
   or if it is standard on these small drives.....?

It is the IBM drive parking its head during inactivity to protect
itself if you bump the machine.

Steve

-- 
Steve Martin
From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Classic II or LC II
Summary: Any reason not to swap Classic II for LC II
Keywords: Macintosh Classic LC
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:31:34 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

Could anyone tell me if they know of any reason
_not_ to swap a Classic II for an LC II?
(Perhaps by e-mail, unless it is a point of wide interest.)
I've been made this offer (indirectly by Apple), 
and am wondering if it is too good to refuse ...
Any advice gratefully received.

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Subject: Wanted : Opinion about new accelerators
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:11:57 GMT

 Hello, netter!

 From recent MacUsers,
 I saw  new accelerators from Mobius.
 
 Their price is pretty attractive.
 They claim their accelerators are designed as Universal supporting
 10 macs.(PDS)

 25mhz $799   $1099 (fpu)
 33mhz $899   $1299 (fpu)
 40mhz        $1499 (fpu)

All acceleraors are 040 and optional 128K cache is available.

When I compare Mobius and Daystar Turbo040, Mobius' looks
smaller and had fewer chips than Daystar.

I am looking for one to upgrade my IIsi.
I am consisdering Daystar PowerCache 50/fpu and LogiCache 50mhz.
(LogiCache $1199/fpu, 64k cache , 0 wait states form Logica Reserch,
 PowerCache $1599/fpu, 32k cache, 1 wait state)

Now, I have third candidate from Mobius.
Do you have any experices/comments on LogiCache and Mobius Speedster?
How much trouble will I have by 040 cpu?
I heard that there are some compatibility prombels on softwares.
Is there any compatibilty list or checking program for Quadra?

Thank you in advance,

Choi
choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.du
From: arnold@violet.berkeley.edu (John Arnold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MacUpgrade Specialists
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:57:21 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
Distribution: us
NNTP-Posting-Host: lat1mac29.cchem.berkeley.edu

Has anyone bought one of the $299 25MHz SE accelerator boards from
MacUpgrade?  If so, what do you think of it?  Did you get the FPU for it,
or one of the monitor combos?  Can you plug in any old monochrome Mac
monitor to just the accelerator board itself?  Thanks in advance for any
info.
From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: RE: Macintosh Speed Comparisons: Table [v2.0]
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:18:54 GMT

To: keradwc@rahul.net

Kevin Davis Connery wrote in a message on 22 Dec 92 to All

 KDC> As you can see, there are still a few holes in the table. If 
 KDC> you have a Mac which fits one of those holes, I'd greatly appreciate 
 KDC> it if you would run Speedometer and send the results, either 
 KDC> the machine record or the text summary, to kevin@isi.com, for 
 KDC> inclusion in the next version. Similarly, if you have a Mac 
 KDC> which shows only 1 or two samples, additional data to increase 
 KDC> confidence levels would also be appreciated.

Hi, here are my Speedometer results with a IIsi with FPU (68882), a 210
megabyte Maxtor harddisk, System 7.1, 5 megabytes of RAM (+5 virtual), and a
monochrome 13" monitor.

CPU: 5.44
Graf: 6.04
Disk: 2.41
Math: 11.72
PR: 5.64

If you're interested, I could also run Speedometer on an Atari ST emulating a
Mac (results are about the same as a Plus).


YHS:QSI!
From: pdp@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Paul Douglas Page)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: LC II PDS slot
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:05:12 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

Where can you find out the tecnical specifications of the expansion slot
on an LC II ? I need to know the pinouts, supply ratings etc. as I am 
considering designing a small board for the slot.

thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: saswlb@spruce.unx.sas.com (Bill Brideson)
Subject: Addendum: 24-bit Accelerated 1024x768 Graphics Cards
Originator: saswlb@spruce.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:02:29 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


   Right after I hit "post" (Murphy lives!), I discovered that I'd
received mail from Steve Lemke of Radius (lemke@info.radius.com).  He
supplied information that corrects several mistakes in my *original*
article.  Here are updates to my summary:

The PrecisionColor 24XK drives the Color Pivot/LE and the new
PrecisionColor Pivot in landscape mode, and it drives the Color Pivot
in portrait mode, but it does not drive the Color Pivot/LE (or
PrecisionColor Pivot) in portrait mode, nor does it drive the Color
Pivot in landscape mode.

I failed to mention the PrecisionColor calibrator.  My summary implies
that SuperMac and RasterOps have calibrators but Radius does not; that
impression is wrong.
-- 
Bill Brideson, saswlb@unx.sas.com, 919-677-8000
SAS Institute, Inc.,  SAS Campus Drive,  Cary,  NC  27513
"There are people who think that everything one does with
a serious face is sensible." (18th cent.)
From: rrp@cfm.brown.edu (Bob Petrocelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: PB 100: problem with localtalk??
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:33:00 GMT
Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: dam.brown.edu
Originator: rrp@rufus



Hi MacUsers,

Is it OK to use a straight-through localtalk cable to connect
my PB-100 to a desktop Mac ??

Thanks Much!

Bob Petrocelli rrp@dam.brown.edu
From: stefan@stefan.spn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PC is faster than Mac? Myth or Truth?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:02:04 GMT
X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version


In article <18DEC199221474055@rosie.uh.edu>, mece1us@rosie.uh.edu writes:
> As a Macintosh user, I feel uncomfortable when I hear somebody says:" IBM 
PC
> is faster than Macintosh in calculation.  Mac is an excellent word 
processor
> and is good for graphic application.  It is not fast enough for serious 
> mathematical calculation or modeling."  I hear this kind of word many 
times,
> even a Electrical Engineer Professor said that.  I would like to know 
whether
> PC is really faster than a Mac for the same clock speed and similar model 
CPU.



It depends of what you're talking of. 


If you're talking of rough horsepower, the answer is yes, especially, 
if you compare prices.

If you're talking of productivity, the answer is no (i_M_ho). Productivity
isn't equal to CPU speed, but includes setup, networkability, staff 
training
(i.e. consistent interface), staff motivation (i.e. nice interface) etc.

If you're talking of rough velocity on graphics applications, I'm not 
sure.

If you're talking of fun, well...


And if you're talking of truely professional image enhancement or serious 
number crunching, forget about any pc or mac and move to workstations or 
even mainframes. The world is a little bigger than the pc/mac battle, as 
your prof should have told you.


Stefan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: bo3b@ultramac.uucp (Bob Overkamp)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:09:46 CDT
Subject: Re: fdhd and plus

dknudson@ops.agsci.colostate.edu inquires
>Will an external FDHD 1.4 disk drive work on a Mac Plus?

An external FDHD drive will work like an external 800K drive when plugged into
a Mac Plus external drive port.
SCSI FDHD drives (PLI and Applied Engineering come to mind) work pretty well
as HD drives on a Mac Plus.

bo3b
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Subject: Re: IIsi monitor turned dk-bluish any ideas?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:32:04

In article <1hnki3INNke6@uwm.edu> bowden@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John William Bowden) writes:

    One of our si's has decided that it likes a really blue screen.
   This problem happens with whatever color monitor is attached so
   i suspect a problem in either the cord or the CPU. Any ideas what
   this might be?

You've either lost the red and green components in the monitor or
the cable.  Try switching cables, then monitors.  If neither fixes
the problem, then the card may have a bad output amp.  But I wouldn't
expect two colors to blow at the same time.  The cable is the most
likely culprit.



--
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Snail:         11 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge,  MA  02142
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:28:07 GMT

In article <ewright.725666626@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com
(Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <D2150035.lqbfh6@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael
>Peirce) writes:
>
>>My friends at DEC tell me there was one overriding reason that Alpha
>>wasn't picked over PowerPC: Politics.  The technological considerations
>>were a distant second.
>
>"Losing bidder charges 'politics.'"
>
>Not exactly what I'd call a newsflash. :-)

Many months ago, when Alpha was first discussed to death in comp.arch, DEC
said over and over that Alpha was designed on a "speed at any cost"
strategy. This may make sense for a chip that's to appear in $10K
workstations, but Apple is targeting the $1K price bracket, and would have
been rather silly to choose the somewhat faster but vastly more expensive
chip.

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: palais@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: 14.4k modems--feedback needed
Reply-To: palais@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:16:55 GMT

>> I'm in the market for a 14.4K v.42bis modem.  I'm looking at 
>> Zoom, Practical Peripherials, Logicode, and Supra. 

You should also look at the ZyXEL U-1496E.  After a fair amount 
of research and user feedback I concluded that this was a high 
quality component and at a very fair price (I think around $330
from Kandy Shack (800-638-1170)).
  I purchased one and it has performed flawlessly for the past month.
From: Robert.H.Gross@dartmouth.edu (Robert H. Gross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PBs and screen savers
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:10:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b3@newshost.dartmouth.edu

One reason I'd like to see a screen saver on the powerbook has to do
with keeping the PB active on a network. If the PB goes to sleep, it
saves the screen but does not allow you to access the PB over the
network. Once it wakes up, it often needs to be "reactivated" to be
visible on the network again. An ideal solution would be an all white
screen saver.

Bob Gross
Dept. of Biology, Dartmouth College
bob.gross@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Eddie_Crawford@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us
Organization: Cyber Sanctum
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:21:36 PST
Subject: Apple CD 300

Does anyone know when the External Apple CD 300(i?) is going to be released (or
is it released) and about what the Education price will be?

Oh.. and Email is prefered if possible  :)

Thanks

Eddie
From: pauls@ll.mit.edu (Richard Pauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 2MB SIMMs into a IIci and IIcx ??
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:38:04 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab

In article <1992Dec20.192956.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> johnwl@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Hi hardware afficianados !
>
>  I wonder if anyone could tell me if I can install the new 2MB RAM SIMMs 
>into a IIci and IIcx ?  I have 8 1MB SIMMs in the work machine and cannot
>afford the $750 CAN to get 4MB SIMMs into it.  I also wish to upgrade the
>IIcx at home ...
>                                  thanks in advance,   Jack Lawson
>                                                       johnwl@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: djb@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (David Brightbill)
Subject: mold on floppys
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:17:09 GMT

A friend had a hard disk crash and lost months worth of work.  She had a recent backup on floppys but it had been through the humidity hell of the deep
south and had developed a dusting of mold.  The backups won't read and inserting one in the floppy drive causes the drive to be unusable until it is cleaned.

Does anyone have a clue as to how we might clean these disks up and get them back ?????????
From: Norm.Walker@f1003.n130.z1.ieee.org (Norm Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Internal 20 Meg HD Problems
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:21:15 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:130/1003 - Mac Exchange, Fort Worth TX

It sounds like you have a dead Miniscribe hard drive .  If it is, what you 
are seeing is the built-in failure code flashing.  Write down the blinking 
sequence and call Miniscribe.  They can tell you what the problem is.
Later,
Norman

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: gene@wucs1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gene Van Buren)
Subject: Speeding up a IIcx???
Reply-To: gene@cs.wustl.edu
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:34:20 GMT


I just wanted to know if anyone thinks it's possible to put a faster
clock in the IIcx? Maybe it can do 20MHz? Anyone?

-- 
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From: jamesb@apple.com (James Blair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Powerbook Duos?
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:24:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Subject: Re: Powerbook Duos?
From: Nick C De Mello, nick+@pitt.edu
Date: 2 Dec 92 04:51:20 GMT
In article <10432@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> Nick C De Mello, nick+@pitt.edu
writes:
>  The above works with the mini, otherwise you're kind of out of
>luck.  Valid question though, seems like it should be pretty simple
>to make a cable that fits the PDS and maps the appropriate connections
>to you desktop's SCSI...
>
The PDS connector does not contain any SCSI signals so it is not possible
to map a cable directly to the PDS connector (let alone the physical
aspects!)

The MiniDock actually contains a SCSI controller that the SCSI DiskMode 
software talks to when the software is running (thru the MiniDock decoder
ASIC.)
SCSI DiskMode software for the Duo transfers bytes between the internal
SCSI 
bus and the external SCSI buses using the functionality of the 53c80
internal 
and MiniDock SCSI controllers.  If a developer wanted to implement a 
smaller (but SCSI DiskMode capable) version of the MiniDock they would
have to
provide some decoding hardware and a ROM that conformed to the Docking 
development specs.

I hope this helps some.  James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
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From: Peter_B._Linde@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:47:47 PST
Subject: SYQUEST 88 FOR SALE

i have a syquest 88 meg cartridge drive for sale.  i would like to sell the 6 
88 meg cartridges that i have with it.  i have no idea what it's worth, so if
you want to make an offer i promise to respond.  if i like your offer, the drive
et al is yours.  if i think it is absurdly low, i will make fun of you.

the drive has seen little use (used once a day to back up a 20 meg file for
about 6 months).

i'm in the bay area in case that's a consideration. (you pay shipping unless i
really like your price.)

please respond to me directly, as i may not check this conference daily. 
thanks.

peter b. linde

internet:  peter_b._linde@bmug.org

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Crystal Upgrades
From: starver@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:54:01 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

>From: vporguen@unlinfo.unl.edu (victor porguen), University of Nebraska--Lincoln

>Date: 1 Jan 1993 07:28:17 GMT

>ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:

>>jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King) writes ...
>>>Lastly: Can someone with a good working knowledge of the Classic II logic
>>>board explain why it has a 16-bit RAM bus path (effectively making it an SX)?

>>Simple.  Price.  The Classic II is a cheap computer for a reason.
>>Computer manufacturers don't just charge arbitrary amounts of money
>>for computers.  Generally, the faster a computer is, the more
>>expensive it is to design and manufacture.

>Computer manufacturers, like all vendors, generally try to charge 
>whatever the market will bear. THAT is the deciding factor.

Actually I think a combination of the two answers is closer to the truth.

>>2) No.  Going from a 16 bit bus to a 32 bit bus means adding
>>   components, traces, SIMM sockets, and other such hardware which
>>   means a) redesigning the computer, and b) rebuilding the computer.


>You might try explaining this philosophy to Intel, who makes a
>CPU called the 80386 (32-bit) and sells it for a (high) price.
>They then take this chip, subject it to an additional operation
>to burn out or disable half of its bus, convert it into what they
>call the "80386SX" and then sell this costlier-to-produce chip
>for a much lower price.

Actually this is a different case. Both chips can be configured to 
work on different bus sizes (foot in mouth if I remember incorrectly)
Consider it from another angle (not to be sticking up for Intel but)
Consider the cost of designing a whole new 16 bit chip. R&D, new dyes,
etc. This is actually a brilliant idea (from their point), you forgo
development time and testing using an already proven design to produce
an inbetweener that fills a niche, gives people a more affordable machine
etc. 

Steve

I would think it silly to presume that I speak for the University of Kansas.
But then again, you don't know me.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin)
Subject: Re: Sticky Mouse Revisited
Keywords: mouse problem
Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:01:34 GMT

What I'm referring to is that I've seen about 2 dozen reports of this
problem by different people. Almost certainly not a motherboard problem.

--

-- 
Harry Erwin
Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc