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From: rmcleod@tse.uucp (Rod McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mario's Daytona Winner Documentation
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:57:17 GMT
Reply-To: rmcleod@tse.UUCP (Rod McLeod)
Distribution: na
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In 1967 a young USAC star by the name of Mario Andretti drove the
#11 Holman Moody Ford Fairlane to victory in the Daytona 500. I am
building a model of the car but there seems to be a real shortage
of photo documentation. I would be very appreciative if anyone
could point me to any books or magazines with pictures or perhaps
answers to the following questions. 

1. What colour is the interior? I have a centerspread from Circle
   Track showing the H-M Lorenzen #28 with the interior in the 
   same baby blue as the trim.  My thinking is the Andretti interior
   is either body colour (metallic blue) or black or some combination.
 
2. Did the car run at Daytona with full left & right side windows?
   Other 67 Fairlanes seemed to run with and without side glass at
   various times. I recall a rules change that eliminated the side
   glass but I thought that came a year or two later. My guess is 
   that the windows would be in place at the big tracks like Daytona.

3. Was there a small spoiler on the rear deck? At Riverside Andretti
   didn't have one but a picture from an oval shows Lorenzen's with.

4. Were the side/deck numbers white or red? The kit decals are white
   but I found a colour picture in SCR of Andretti at some other 
   superspeedway (Charlotte? Atlanta?) with red numbers.

Email should get to me at tse!rmcleod@geac.com.

Rod McLeod
The Toronto Stock Exchange 
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From: naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel J Naze)
Subject: Re: USGP at Road America?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:58:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.205752.14809@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter) writes:
>Several people here have mentioned having the USGP at Road America. A
>lot of us would LOVE to have it. However, here are the known problems
>with having it there:
>
>1) The track currently has no garages.
>2) The track is supposedly a few inches to narrow for F1 in a couple of
>   places. There is a rumor going around that it will be resurfaced, and
>   hopefully they'll widen it at this time.
>
>Now, the track has been making improvements over the last few years, and
>garages is one of those things rumored to be in the mill. But I would
>have to put resurfacing as a higher priority. It has not been resurfaced

 RA is often praised by drivers for its smooth surface.

>Would it be a great track for F1? YUP. Will it happen soon? I doubt it.
>
  I live 25 minutes from RA and would love that too, but I agree.  Also,
I think a lot of landscaping needs to be done-the carousel area still looks
like the gravel pit it once was.  RA does have a terrific media center and
suites available, which is a plus, and access roads in and around the track
are excellent.  Most of the armco around the circuit looks like it hasn't 
been painted in many years as well.  And in a move of finite thinking, RA
built an infield off-road course this spring and you can't drive in the area
from T6 to T8, so now few people go there.
  Although Mid-Ohio has poor roads in and around it, I think it would be more
likely to get the nod as an F1 venue.  I've only been there once, but what a
very modern and well kept facility.  
>
>I think they're more interested in getting a WC race there than F1.

  I don't believe NASCAR thinks too much of the 4 mile length and 14 turn
nature of RA.  A couple years ago there were rumours of a new short course,
but the terrain from T5 to T12 would make that very difficult to construct.
Thats OK, I despise full course cautions on road circuits.   (But would go
to watch anyway!)

>			Kevin
>
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  Dan Naze





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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:21:55 GMT

ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:


>In a previous article, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) says:

>>		     3 Riccardo Patrese
>                                 ^^^  ^
>>		     4 Martin Brutal, I mean Brundle
>                              ^^^^^^
>>Mansell pulled out a slight lead on Patrese, who was hounded by Schu, Brutal,
>                                      ^^^  ^                           ^^^^^^

>I'm sure I'm not the only one who is wondering why you keep refering
>to Brundle as Brutal.

>???

	I don't like Martin Brundle. Since I think so poorly of myself, I
constantly belittle others, to make myself feel less inferior. This is also
the reason I call Ayrton Senna, Ayrton Semen. Maybe some day I will be able to
come to grips with my inferiority complex, but until until then, I'll just
be me! Way to go Schu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Benetton-Ford V-12 in '93!!!!!!!!!!!

TOBY HATFIELD...

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From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Subject: Re: F1 and Indy (Re: World or national series?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.170758.23621@stsci.edu> lallo@stsci.edu writes:
>
>Here's something else to think about:
>How about the persistent stories of sponsor machinations in CART or NASCAR.
>Specifically I refer to the stories of certain beer sponsors not allowing a 
>foreign accented driver to drive with their team. If these stories are true
>then it is a real disgrace and a perfect example of u.s. racing's xenophobia?
>Ethnocentrism? Isolationism? Whatever you want to call it.
>
>I find it hard to see how the international motorsports scene can be blamed
>for the schism when this sort of thing is going on in the u.s.
>
This sort of thing going on in the U.S.?!  Like this never happens in Europe?
Renault never insists on a French driver.  Italian sponsors never insist on
an Italian driver.  Ferrari never leans towards a driver of their persuasion.
Saudi Air never asked Frank Williams not to hire Jews.  Honda never pressured
teams to fill their seats with totally unqualified Japanese drivers.  The
owners just suddenly found a need to hire Pacific Rim drivers over all the
talent in Europe and the U.S.

These examples must all just be mere coincidences.

This is a business!!!!  If a sponsor gets more bang for his money by insisting
on a certain driver (nationality is not the only critieria, it can be as 
silly as good looks), then so be it.  This is a business!!!!  Do you think
that Bruce Jenner or Walter Payton would get the kind of sponsors they do
if they were nobodies with the talent (or lack therof) they have?

Talent usually plays a tiny role in whether a driver is able to make racing
a career.


There, I'm calm now...
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:34:11 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

John Francis writes:

>>As far as the Al Jr/Fittipaldi incident, this was much closer to a racing
>>incident.  Jr had a chance, but Fittipaldi closed the door.  I'm not blaming
>>Fittipaldi, but I don't agree with his comments about Jr later.
>
>I must have missed these.  What did Emmo say?  Was it anything more than 
>the predictable "I obviously had the corner - he should never have tried 
>that move"?

That's pretty close.  I think he said it was an impossible move.  I sure don't
agree, I think it was a pretty good attempt.  But like Daly said, it was just
two drivers going for the same piece of road.  If I HAD to pick one over the
other, I would say Fittipaldi was at fault.  But it's so close, I wouldn't
argue if someone thought it was Jr's fault.  

And for those who compare the Rahal/Johansson and Tracy/Andretti incidents
and see little difference, I suppose you would see the same of Laffite/Pryce
at South Africa in '77.  I would have to say the Tracy/Andretti incident is 
somewhere in between the other two.   

If anyone thinks the above is morbid/insensitive, what will you say after 
Mario hurts someone.  He has already hurt himself this year.

Dan Jones
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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Guiness book of F1 & F1 Trivia
Keywords: F1
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:20:42 GMT


1982
USA
April 4 - Long Beach (Lauda McLaren-Ford MP4B)
June 6 - Detroit (Watson McLaren-Ford MP4B)
Sept 25 - Las Vegas (Alboreto Tyrrell-Ford 011/06)

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Vancouver IndyCar Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.204459.11882@morrow.stanford.edu> jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:
>In article <715277710942@c00474-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) asks:
>>
>>Why was Scott Goodyear in a '91 car?
>>
>Scott wrecked Walker Motorsports' only '92 chassis at Elkhart Lake.
>Maybe they'll pick up some more $$ to buy somebody's spare. We can only
>hope so.
>

They are supposed to have the '92 car repaired by Mid-Ohio...there 
wasn't enough time to get it done in time for Vancouver.

Gerald
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From: lim@sloop.ssd.loral.com (Michael Lim)
Subject: Re: IMSA (Jaguar)
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:05:44 GMT

In article <44qW02381fYm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, jpl10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
|> This past weekend I attended the 19th annual Monterey Historic Auto Races
|> where Jaguar was the featured marque.  Davy Jones, pilot of the Bud Light
|> Jaguar XJR-14 IMSA GTP car was there and I had the chance to speak to him
|> about this years season so far.  I asked him to comment on Toyota's
|> dominance so far and he said that the Elf fuel that Toyota has been
|> bringing in from Europe has just been ruled illegal.  He didn't say what
|> the consequences were going to be for Toyota being that they have been
|> using that exotic blend of fuel for some time now.  I also asked him if
|> IMSA was going to put a weight penalty on Toyota now that they are the
|> dominant car.  He said IMSA is adding an additional 50 lbs. to Jag and
|> Mazda for next year, but nothing mentioned yet for Toyota.  Looks like
|> IMSA is hand picking the champion this year and maybe next.  How long
|> does IMSA think Jaguar will stay around if they keep being relegated to
|> underdog status??  Does anyone know how IMSA comes up with the formula
|> for weight penalties for different car/engine combinations??

The weight penalty seems to be simple.  Toyota and Nissan are big sponsors
in the IMSA circuit.  Jaguar and Mazda are not.  If these games continue, 
IMSA GTP will probably suffer the same fate as WSC.  I hope not.  

Is the Elf fuel that Toyota has been using the same as Williams F1 magic brew?
If so, might this drop the Eagle's HP up to 60?

Mike Lim
lim@sloop.ssd.loral.com
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: Rahal Comment
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
	<31AUG199214563463@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:17:37 GMT


   In article <31AUG199214563463@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
   scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

   Any word on comments from Mario after the race?  Paul Tracy becomes yet 
   another victim of Mario's "brain-fade".

Although I mostly would agree that Mario should go home for the most
part, this time (barring any accusations he may still make :-), I
think this was a very "normal" accident. Several drivers had similar
miscues at hat point in the track.

Tracy was unfortunately at the wrong place at the wrong time, but I
still think it was a normal racing accident.

-Miguel

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From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: BBC reports Patrese -> Benneton
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:33:37 GMT
Reply-To: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

The BBC World Service reported last night that Ricardo Patrese will
move to Benneton next year, bumping Martin Brundle out of his seat.
No mention where Brundle might go.

Jim
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  3 Sep 92 22:25:33 GMT

In <la6u5qINNdsl@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> banta@blagg.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking) writes:

>(Thomas Cohen) writes:
>>With the narrow tyres grip will be at a premium (obvious statement #3a)
>>and those cars with the better suspension will be advantaged. This means
>>Williams, McLaren (if they have it working to their approval), Lotus
>>and maybe Benetton. I don't think it will close the field that much.

>It's time to blow the dust off your Carroll Smith books.  If you think
>you can make the tires narrower without a major overhaul of the
>suspension, you're mistaken.  There's no doubt active suspension will
>be as beneficial as it is now, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some
>reshuffling along the way.

I have no problem with redesigning the suspension. It's just that, like
almost any technical change that doesn't affect power output, those teams
with the most money/or at the front of the field, will stay at the front
of the field. Especially if the suspension can be remapped by a PC tapped
into it (or however they do it). It's just a matter of how much money you
can spend on testing. Even if you only have a marginal idea, you can
develop it to the point that it beats the quite brilliant but rough idea
of the poorer team, simply because they cannot afford the test time that
you can (I mean, look at McLaren for the last 5 years - not a new idea 
amongst the lot of them, but beautifully developed mediocrity + a Honda
engine that was the class of the field). 

>andy


regards,
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From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: Goodyear
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:58:15 GMT


With other tire companies talking about entering F1 next year, and the
narrowing of tires, could Goodyear be thinking about bringing back
qualifying tires?
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: World or national series?  (was: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.145442.2694@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>I cannot help to conclude that, for some reason, there do not seem to
>be US companies which are able to design and build chassis which are
>competitive with British-English companies at the level of F1 or
>IndyCar/CART racing.  The same appears to be true of engines.
>Sorry.  (Btw:  Flames to /dev/null.)
>
Could it possibly be a question of economics.  I understand that in
England, there still exists a lot of mom & pop-type back porch type
fabricators who are sub-sub-contracted out to manufacture a lot of
the various sub-components that all go together to comprise the complete
package.  Obviously, this translates to quite a few saved labor dollars
for the major manufactures.  Hope I'm making myself clear on this point.

Environmental laws, particularly surrounding these type of fabrication
houses, in the USA are much more stringent in the USA.  These laws have
virtually shut down the little guys who used to exist in this country.

Am I not right, though, that the majority of the carbon-fiber 'cocoons'
used in F1 as well as IndyCars continue to be manufactured by some
company in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA?

The American worker/designer/manufacturer remains more than capable of
building a machine which can compete with the rest of the world.
Unfortunately, because of a lot of social reasons (which I don't want
to get involved with in r.a.s) have stiffled a lot of this industry.

They may not be hi-tech, but we can still continue to build some damn
fine examples of stock cars, midgets, sprints, drag machines, etc.
I dare say some of the ingenuity found in these machines rival some
of the stuff we find elsewhere in the world, if you're not comparing
apples to apples.

-c'ball-

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: #43 in '93 (NASCAR)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:30:54 GMT

So will we really see Tommy Kendall driving the Petty
Enterprises #43 Pontiac in 1993, carrying the colors of
both STP and McDonalds?

Yes,'

-c'ball-

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From: jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster)
Subject: NASCAR: Ticket info for Michigan Int'l Speedway
Organization: Eastern & Ohio Railroad Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:03:03 GMT

My father and I are interested in going to see a Winston Cup race at
Michigan International Speedway in Brooklyn, MI, sometime next year.
Problem is, we don't know who to contact for ticket information. Anyone
know who to contact for info on getting tickets for a race? Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx,
-Jer
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Andrettis (& Rahal) at Vancouver (spoiler)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:51:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In <1992Aug31.195756.5432@reed.edu> bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley) writes:
>
>And I'd like to be (hopefully) the first to bash Mario for punting
>Tracy out of the race.  What was he doing??  I want to hear how he
>could blame somebody else for that one.

What was he doing?  About the same as a lot of other people on that course -
misreading just how tricky it was going into a slippery corner.  Normally
I'll be up there in the vanguard of the Mario bashers, but he wasn't really
any worse than a lot of other guys out there.  I don't expect any better
from him nowadays.  If you want to indulge in Andretti bashing, try these:

 1) How about Michael running up the back end of a slower car?
    What did he think it was - Safety 2?

 2) I see Bobby Rahal is the latest graduate from the
    Mario Andretti school of tact and diplomacy.
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From: roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (roberto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Answers to recent trivia
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:24:11 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

Ross Taylor (taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu) writes:

| Question 2: How many times since 1970 has the drivers 
| championship been decided at the last race of the season?
  
| .....  Jeff and Frank had a go at 
| question two and both did extremely well, missing 1988.  I am 
                                           --------------
| quite sure that I could not have done as well.  

and 
 
| The definitive answer was provided by, yes you guessed it, Dave 
| Burden.  Dave provided a complete list, actually two lists, one 
| in chronological order and one sorted.  What follows is 
| reproduced from Dave's replies:
| 
| ----------------------------------------------------------------
| 
|         1988 16/16           1
          -------------      
|         1988 16/16           1 Senna
          -----------------------------

I am 100% sure that Senna won his first championship when he won in Japan/88 
in the 15th race (out of 16). After that, he finished second in Australia,
behind Prost.

Roberto Barros
From: t9014143@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: rec.autos.sport
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:17:33 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Reading last year's Belgian race report(by John Berton) I came across the term

		T-car 

which was linked to Senna. 

Apparently it caused some controversy.
Can anybody(are you out there John) give me the low down on the details of this
car.
	 Spec. difference, setup, whatever, enlighten me.


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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:58:41 GMT
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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