HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scottj@gumedlib.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott)
Subject: Re: Please Feed the Spooks
Organization: Georgetown University Medical Library
Followup-To: alt.drugs,alt.privacy,alt.society.revolution,soc.culture.usa,alt.culture.usenet,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.sex
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:10:39 GMT
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In article <1992Jul20.234721.13219@mtu.edu>, cescript@mtu.edu (Charles
Scripter) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Jul17.204053.20106@infonode.ingr.com>, knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul16.230140.28425@mcs.drexel.edu> uvdas@mcs.drexel.edu (Vinodh Das) writes:
> > >In article <24627@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sean@borel.msri.org (Sean Brennan) writes:
> > >>In article <0eNPUka00Uzx42uVQO@andrew.cmu.edu>, sf20+@andrew.cmu.edu
> > >>(Stuart Finkelstein) writes:
> > >>|> On 16-Jul-92 in Re: Please Feed the Spooks   
> > >>|> user Dr. Martin Paisley@iasta writes:
> > >>|> >In article <1992Jul16.121649.4401@wyvern.twuug.com>
> > >>|> tmanos@wyvern.twuug.com (To
> > >>|> >m Manos) writes:
> > >>|> >>Stuart Finkelstein <sf20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> > >>|> >>
> > >>|> >>>>>>>>>Er, please excuse my ignorance, but what are "cascades"?
> > >>|> >>>>>>>>           hmmm...I too am lost, has anyone seen my shades ?
> > >>|> >>>>>>>	           uh, this is weird, do you think it will fade?
> > >>|> >>>>>>                 Has anybody here seen my old friend Darth Vader?
> > >>|> >>>>> AARRGGH  I've cascaded and I can't get up!
> > >>|> >>>>FLARGH I've abraded and I can't get op!
> > >>|> >>>BLARGH I've dehydrated and I can't wet chops!
> > >>|> >>CHARGE!  My brigade won't let me stop.
> > >>|> >BLAM! My gun just greased that cop!
> > >>|> BRAN! Colon rust ceased that slop!
> > >>SCRAM! I've posted and the FBI thinks I'm hot!
> > >WRAM! I'm toasted and I need a comfy cot!
> > SLAM! I've coasted and hit the spot!
> WHOA!  This is out of hand, so please stop!
OH! You're no fan, so we'll not!
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Natural vs syntesized.
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:37:24 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Jul29.141145.22123@mits.mdata.fi>, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
> mhergert@esk (Mark Ivan Hergert) writes:
> 
>>	Yeh, well Mescaline, Psilocybin and LSD all have a cross tolerance
>>development, and they are all Indole alkoloids which affect the brain    
>>through a common mechanism
> 
>    Mescaline is not an indole and not an "alkoloid" because it is not
> heterocyclic. 

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but this is a load of bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not the bit about indole - mescaline is a phenylethylamine derivative.
But the normal definition of an alkaloid is any organic base (amine)
derrived from a natural source (usu. plants). Older definitions
(e.g. from last century) focussed on amines with pharmaceutical
activity, and the term is sometimes loosely abused to cover any
amine, particularly those with pharmaceutical activity.
But what the hell does being heterocyclic have to do with it?

> Would you enlighten me on this "common" mechanism? According
> to The Merck Manual, a cross tolerance between mescaline and LSD (probably
> the other indoles as well) does not occur.

I don't know the mechanism of tolerence. I don't know if anyone
knows the exact mechanism of tolerence. I do know that there have
been several studies showing cross-tolerence between these three,
and if anyone REALLY wants me to I can dig up the references.
The Merck publications are useful as a guide and a handy source
of quick information, but they are only compendiums, and 
certainly not infallible. If you want detailed information, you
should go to the original papers.
Please be careful with your facts.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au

> -- 
> Jani Heinonen          "Can you tell a wise man by the way he speaks or spells
> jah@mits.mdata.fi       Is this more important than the stories that he tells?"
>                             --Yardbirds
From: malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Info. on nutmeg
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:21:03 GMT
Reply-To: malcolm@cluster.cs.su.oz (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

In article <lamontg.711971835@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>...
>neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>Oil of sassafrass is CARCINOGENIC!!!
>
>Its also in root beer, which just makes me wonder a smidgen as to how
>carcinogenic nutmeg is (considering that peanut butter and barbequed
>meat are also carcinogenic...)

Safrole is no longer used as a flavour in root beer due to its carcinogenicity.

>MPTP (4-methyl-4-phenyl-1,2,3,6-tetrahydrophyridine) is the only drug
>which imitates ideopathic parkinson's disease and it has nothing at all
>in common with MDMA other than a four letter abbreviation that starts
>with M and repeats two characters.  MPTP selectively kills dopamine
>neurons in the striatum and is really lousy shit.

Going off on a slight tangent, the beta-carbolinium cation is of similar
neurotoxicity to the dihydropyridinium ion which is the active metabolite of
MPTP. So some Beta-carboline psychedelics may be neurotoxic. Also harman and
norharman have been shown to be mutagenic.

As for the (different) neurotoxicity of MDMA and close relatives - I don't
believe there is yet enough evidence to establish the absolute safety of
moderate consumption.

Malcolm
--
Myself and another volunteer were intravenously injected with
20 000 becquerels of plutonium citrate in aqueous solution. -- Eric Voice
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: First-hand account on what smoking Ice is like:  forwarded
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:37:42 GMT


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It is available in all larger urban areas, but is not common.  You need to
be pretty well connected to get it.

Boiling point is very low.  You can smoke it by placing about 10 mg
on aluminum foil, and holding a lighter under the foil to warm it.
It vaporizes into a white cloud, and you suck the smoke through a tube
or something to help catch all the smoke.  It comes in a white powder,
and looks similar to good white heroin.  I think it would be hard
to aldulterate, unless you adulterated it with something that also
vaporized very easily.  Ie, if you aldulterated it with sugar, the
Aminorex would evaporate first, then the sugar would just burn, and
you would be aware that you got burned.

Not many side effects.  If you do a large amount for several days
you can get diareaha.  Nothing too severe though.  A bit of dry mouth
is common after smoking it.  I also started to get a sore throat
after smoking for a solid week.

I developed somewhat of a tolerance after 4-5 days of constant use.
A few days off, and the tolerance seemed to disappear.  My brain
was so clear when I used this, that I came up with answers to 
problems that had been bugging me for months.  This stuff makes
your brain work at 100% efficiency and doubles processor speed.
It makes you feel (and probably actually does) like your IQ jumped
quite a bit.  It is kind of a bummer not doing it at the moment
because my brain feels so slow now in comparison to before.  A gram
would last you anywhere from a week to a month depending on how much
you do.  I estimate one hit at 10 mg, so a gram would give you 100
hits.  2 hits makes you feel alert.  5 hits makes you euphoric and
will let you stay up all night long without feeling the leat bit
tired.  Sleep will never even occur to you.  Do 2 more hits in
the morning before work, and you will never miss the sleep from
the night before.  As a matter of fact, you will feel better than
if you had skipped the drug and slept all night!

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me:  This sounds so great, that it amazes me that it has not become
a _big_ deal, as in _the_ drug of choice for everybody in the world,
or at least everybody who has ever tried it.   $75/g wouldn't be a bad
price either, but I'm sure it would go up if it becomes popular.  (...got
damn,  why isn't it already???)


Hard to make?   That could be it.   Can somebody post the Methylamorex 
(sp?) abstracts and any stuff they have.  I want to find out about 
this chemical.   What name will it be under in Mercks?

JD
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bd@c3consult.comm.se (Bjorn Danielsson)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Communicator C3Consult AB
	<15868@pitt.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:41:16 GMT

In article <15868@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.013619.11668@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>>"Marijuana has never caused a death" is a factoid that I hear quoted
>>often.  And I'm not inclined to believe it.  Hasn't even _one_ stoned
>
>I believe Bob Marley died from smoking so much ganga he got lung
>cancer.

I don't know if Bob Marley had lung cancer, but he *died* because of a brain
tumour. I've heard a story that this tumour was caused by cancer in the foot,
which in turn was caused by an untreated wound after a game of football
(I guess that's "soccer" for U.S. people).

So, football should be outlawed, since it can cause injuries and death.
And other sports may lead to football abuse, so all other sports should
be outlawed too.   :-)
--
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bd@c3consult.comm.se            | therefore I am", would that prove to us
Communicator C3Consult AB       | that Hamlet exists?
Uppsala, Sweden                 |                        -- Robert Nozick
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.152203.20226@hubcap.clemson.edu>, mbcamps@hubcap.clemson.edu (Matt Campbell) writes:
> 
> I think that the death of Bob Marley was due to smoking huge amounts of
> dope.  The burning spear hit it's mark, which just happened to be
> old Bob's throat!
> 

If you would call Hash or MJ Dope in the Netherlands, People could
get *VERY* upset... Heroin is called 'Dope' in Amsterdam and all 'bout
Holland...

Greetings from a Dutchman livin' in Berlin, FRG.
Yours:
Jan

-- 
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:31:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University School of Art,. Athens

In article <1992Jul29.220942.2278@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:

>Explain what you mean by "eventually".  Explain what you mean by
>"addiction".  Define how extensive this "mere exposure" has to be
>to be significant.  Explain why you think it matters WRT legalization
>of drugs for human consumption.

Whoa, time out. I've been following this thread for quite some time and
don't recall anyone saying that drugs should be kept illegal.

 

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Parker)
Subject: Re: LSD vs shrooms
Reply-To: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: Llama-mammas for Special Dudes anonymous
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:39:17 GMT

In article <9207230248.AA05345@wissel.stern.nyu.edu>, jmctigue@WISSEL.STERN.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue) writes...
> 
>My question:  What sort of experiences have people had with LSD vs shrooms?

Lots of both, hard to be none-biased tho, when shroomers can fetch as much as
25$ a g, its hard to enjoy them.

>I have had LSD three times, and shrooms once.  For me, Acid was very
>intensly visual and caused my mind to race with ideas ( = alot of fun),
>while shrooms were very mellow and mostly made me feel just a bit odd
>(didn't seem anything special).  However, the shrooms were the first time I
>had tripped, and it is also possible that I did not have enough.  The
>quantitiy I ingested was "half an eighth."
>Is this a proper amount?  Do people have different types of trips with
>different types of mushrooms?

Well, around here, a proper amount is one g, whereas somewhere else,
someones low quality mushies could be 5 grams a dozage. I doubt that you'd have
a *different* type of trip based on the type of mushrooms, unless they had
different psychoactive compounds in them.

In my findings, half of an eighth can vary from 5 grams to 2 grams, an eighth
should actually be about 3.80 grams, or thereabouts. 

I personally don't think mushrooms are great, I'd rather have mushrooms over l,
but supply vs. demand always predominates over anyones opinion.


>jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu or try jmctigue@sales.stern.nyu.edu
From: tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mycelium dumping
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:03:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	This should be entitled mycelium doping.  I read a recent 
	article in a scientific journal by a guy named Gartz, who
	had his mushrooms synthesize analogs of DiETHYLtryptamine
	by adding DET to his mycelium.  He said this has never been
	done before.  There were no DET compounds in the substrate
	or casing before the DET was added.  The Psilocybe cubensis
	was used.


	I have also heard of doping your Trichocerius with tyrosine
	and dopamine a week before harvesting to increase the
	mescaline content (a small pamphlet bought at a head shop
	called "peyote"; specifics can be given upon request.)


	I was wondering if anyone out there in Netland knows of
	anyone who has tried doping his or her mycelium with
	tryptophan or other indole-type feed.
From: dyer@mimosa.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenneth C. Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: hey!
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:03:30 GMT
Reply-To: dyer@mimosa.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenneth C. Dyer)
Organization: U.C. Davis,  Electrical Engineering Graduate Division

In article <i9i1NB2w164w@admiral.uucp>, ception@admiral.uucp (brad davis) writes:

|>waitaminnit!  aren't drugs illeagl?
|>
|>
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Open your mind Brad,
	not all drugs are illegal.  Only the ones that the rich
	and powerful want to keep to themselves are illegal.  (heh)

Relax and read, this newsgroup has a lot of interesting stuff in it.


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From: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Dangers of Use
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:34:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <2A76323C.8099@noiro.acs.uci.edu> mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey) writes:
>In article <2A720E72.806@ics.uci.edu> mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) writes:
>>Just what are the dangers of using most illegal drugs?  (And legal ones as
>>well!)  It would seem to me (as a non-user) that anything that's going to
>>cause hallucinations would probably be messing something up in your head...
>>
>Getting busted is one of the biggest dangers.
>
>Well, as a non-user, you may never know. Some affects can be simply
>put as.... divine, with no ill effects.

Don't forget that these days just fitting a 'profile' can get your
pocket lightened quite a bit, even as a non-user.

RJL


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From: larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: instant addiction?
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:28:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

One thing I recall reading in the days before crack is that supposedly,
cocaine is very psychologically addicting, BUT... if a person cannot find
any cocaine, they will fairly quickly "lose their addiction."  In other
words, an "addict" will look frantically for more cocaine, but if they
know that they _cannot_ get any (e.g., they're in solitary confinement in
jail), they will not experience much psychological distress after a day or 
two.  Is this typical?  Would they become psychologically re-addicted if
the drug was available again?

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry
From: Malfera@cup.portal.com (Dan M Healy)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:35:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul26.072457.15434@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
  <1992Jul27.083729.468@ms.uky.edu> <1992Jul27.222401.27323@mits.mdata.fi>

>I love this one.  Did you here at a Dead Show?  Are you that Dan Healy?
>
>?		Matt

I don't think so....Never been to a Dead show.

I heard it from a friend...A drug free friend who actually believed it.



					Malfera@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Psychological Addiction
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:56:08 GMT

In article <chil.712227006@sfu.ca> chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:

>B.s.? I think psychological addiction is very real. (That's what I mean
>whenever *I* use the word "addiction"--a psychological craving for a
>substance, independent of either tolerance or dependence, i.e., a purely
>mental phenomena.) It seems to be about the only explanation in the case,
>for example, of a person who returns to using (or abusing) a substance
>after many years of being "clean."

Yes, psychological addiction is real, but the way it is used by the drug
warriors is misleading. Psychological addiction is not a property of the
drug, but rather of the individual. To say, "marijuana is psychologically
addictive" is false. Saying, "marijuana can be psychologically addictive"
is better, but still misleading. A better way of putting it is, "it is
possible for a person to become psychologically addicted to marijuana,
depending on the psychological makeup of the person." 

The bottom line is this: ANYTHING can be psychologically addictive 
depending on the person. TV, video games, skydiving, whatever.
When the drug warriors use the term, they make it appear that the
drug does something psychological to people to make them addicted.

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu

>
>-- 
>Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
>Forum (Cog Sci); Senate; CDSU; ASC. ...but all opinions are my own only.
>
>"...with a stroke of love on the canvas of my soul, I'm painting a perfect
> world with shades of Michaelangelo. With each promise made in every heart
> that knows, we can live in a perfect world in shades of Michaelangelo."
>           --Belinda Carlisle & Charlotte Calley, "Shades of Michaelangelo"

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: burris@highspl (David Burris)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Organization: Dave's Home PC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 04:57:13 GMT

> In article <1992Jul23.220145.22275@cs.tulane.edu> derunix@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Derek Wright) writes:
> :  Although I'm no authority on this matter, it's my belief that these 
> :strange audio and visual effects are not due to the LSD, but rather, 
> :made noticeable by its use.  Quite frequently I've seen the walls start
> :to slide, pictures bulge out towards me or other minor hallucinations,
> :all under the influence of no drug at all.

My theory is that we all have "reality filters" through which we
filter experience and interpret "reality". These filters were
developed from birth and are extrememly effective at distorting
and/or eliminating sensory input to fit a reality we have learned to
"cope" with.

My observation of people who have "flipped out" is that the
people who most easily "lose it" are those whose survival is based
on extraordinary levels of denial and strong reality filters.

It seems that both people that have a very strong grasp of a picture
of reality within their minds, and those who constantly seek
alternate realities in all of their beings and understand that all
reality is just a decision about sensory input, fair very well and
find the experience thoroughly enjoyable.

I have not adequately contemplated this theory to explain the
"breakthroughs" in creative energy and thought that can and do occur,
but I have seriously considered that it is mostly coping mechanisms
and reality filters that interfere with the creative process.

Any other ideas?

-- 
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From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:50:26 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865

ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes:
> Surely smoking marijuana is at least as potentially dangerous as smoking 
> tobacco?  The file 'drug-statistics' at 'ftp.u.washington.edu' gives various 
> figures for deaths due to tobacco, marijuana and various other drugs - the 
> figure given for marijuana was zero.

   While watching a health show on Discover Channel, I wa smaused to see 
Dr D. Edel explaining the low health risks of MJ. I thought it made 
perfect sense too.
    He said: ". . .but nobody smokes 20 marijuana cicarrettes in a day" 
while explaining how smoking a pack-a-day will contrbute to cronic lung 
disfunctions, and marijuana has not been linked to these, although  I 
tend to believe it does, just not as much as tobacco (only because it is 
not generally abused as much as tobacco).
e

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Quibbles, hypocrisy, etc.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:20:10 GMT

bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
: All I was doing was making an unimportant, minor statement about the
: current government, I.E. an administration that thinks drugs are evil 
: and tries to ban them is not hypocritical. Stupid, shortsided, totalitarian
: and many other things sure, but not hypocritical. Why is it so impossible to
: have a normal conversation without everything turning into a holy war?

Ah, but the administration is not anti-drug - it is anti-some-drugs. There
is a big difference.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs