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From: schultzk@utrurt.uucp (keith schultz ldv/cl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Looking for a good programm editor
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:12:13 GMT
Organization: Uni Trier, Germany

Hi guys and gals,

	I looking for a good (!!) program editor for writing programs !
	(what else). What I want is the ablity to write in an overwrite
	mode and insert mode (something like the old full screen editors).
	Yes, i know overwrite mode is unMac like but have you ever tried
	writing a well documented program (with comments and all) in a
	insert mode orientated editor or word processor.
	The editor should run on a SE/30 (extenden Keyboard) or a Mac Plus
	under system 7.

	Please reply by e-mail since I do not think this stuff is of
	general interest and I will post a summary of the answers
	I receive.

		      Thanx in advance

				       Keith.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Subject: Re: Fair profits and Killings (was: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?)
Reply-To: sanguish@digifix.com
Organization: Digital Fix Development
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:45:30 GMT

Char Aznabul writes
> In article <0105011F.99c9sv@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory  
> Kempf) writes:
> [quoting me]
> 
> + >Programmers deserve to make a living, not a killing.
> + 
> + I really cannot understand this attitude.  Why are software engineers
> + special in this case?  Why shouldn't they be allowed to make money
> + from their abilities?  Why is it that the parasites of the world seem
> + to think that there are classes of people who, instead of being rewarded
> + for their abilities, should only be allowed to exist.
> 
> Do you complain about oil companies? Why shouldn't they be permitted to
> make a killing? The same for any manufacturing corporation - why shouldn't
> they be permitted to make a killing?
> 
> Let me take a WAG: you are a programmer, and secretly desire to make a
> killing, so you can retire at 40?
> 
> This is the attitude that I don't understand - why should you be permitted
> to make a killing? Please do explain this.
> 

	Everyone has the right to make as much money as they want, provided  
that they do it in a legal fashion.

	A better question would be, what RIGHT do you have to tell him that he  
is not ENTITLED to make a "killing" as you call it.

	If you can't afford to pay for something, you should not have it.  The  
market will dictate what people are willing to pay for something.

	BTW, a programmer that makes a "killing" and can retire at 40, isn't  
doing that well.  A programmer that retires at 29 is making a "killing"..  :-)

	Scott (retiring next year)

-- 
- Scott Anguish -
sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail)
From: mwells@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: DATA FLOW [need help]
Date: 20 Jul 92 14:42:21 EST
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH

Does anyone know the address of a company called ICONIX?  They once made some
software for doing data flow diagrams, data dictionaries and state transition
diagrams.  

I'm trying to find some software that will fulfill one, or all of the 
following requirements:

1) aid communication between people who produce ideas about how to design 
cockpits, and people who have to code those ideas 

2) allow pilots, and other non programer types, to do "what ifs" with the 
assignment of switches in a cockpit

3) aid in the production of maps, illustrating the functions of switches in 
cockpits

The product made by ICONIX may help.  Does anyone know of any other useful
tools?


Thanks

Maxwell Wells
-- 

"The opinions and views expressed here are strictly my own and do not 
necessarily reflect the official position of either the U.S. Air Force 
or its contractors."

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: roa@cray.com (Richard O. Ayres)
Subject: Re: Is There a Mac X11 Graphics Program?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:02:07 CDT

>I am running a graphics program on a Sun.  The program is written to allow
>graphics to be run on any X11 graphics terminal.
>I am therefor looking for a program that will allow my Mac to be an X-terminal.
>
>Stewart
>sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu

You need MacX from Apple.  I believe it's in the $100 to $200 range.

Rick Ayres
Cray Research, Inc.
roa@techops.cray.com
From: Sharon.D.Goldfein@dartmouth.edu (Sharon D. Goldfein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Installing word 5.0
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:06:26 GMT
 <whitmore.711492328@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I had this problem a couple of times while attempting to install a few
of the hundred or so that I do every so often!  It seems that the
message that you get in the beginning of the installation process to
turn of any virus protection is incomplete...I learned that you should
probably turn off all inits prior to installation.  Try this and GOOD
LUCK!
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:25:59 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.185148.19325@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
Robert.H.Gross@dartmouth.edu (Robert H. Gross) writes:
> OK. I'll jump into this fray with yet another idea.
> 
> As the one year license period draws to a close (let's say after 10-11
> months), the user will begin to get reminders every time the program is
> launched that the license needs to be renewed along with directions on
> how to do the renewal. He/she can renew simply by calling the company
> and providing the password and serial number of his/her program. If the
> password and serial number were OK and not already renewed, the company
> would calculate a string for the user to type into a dialog box to
> refresh the expiration date of the currently running program. The
> company would then mark that serial number as "updated". If a
> subsequent user calls and tries to update the license, he/she would be
> told that it was already updated and the company could not update
> another copy.
> 

> PS - the above assumes that there is a valid way to check the date/time
> on the computer that cannot be fooled by just changing the clock.

This last is the rub I think, Robert. The software could only check the time by  
looking at the computer's clock, whose setting is in the hands of the user.  
Also, any kind of built-in protection mechanisms always invite cracking.

I think that more of us will eventually be on shared networks of some kind, and  
such things as "true" time will be better established. It is also easier to  
license software in a networked environment, so the problem of trying to  
license software to unregistered computers (like the problem of collecting  
license fees on unregistered cars) may fade at some point.

Thanks for your suggestions!

--
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+================================+================================+
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.apps.spreadsheets
From: davidw@jessica.Stanford.EDU (David J. Whelan)
Subject: Bottom Line clone requested
Reply-To: davidw@jessica.Stanford.EDU (David J. Whelan)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 02:03:35 GMT

I'm trying to locate a set of Macintosh Excel templates that will do
an analysis of income, balance, and cash flow data.  I believe that
there is a product for 1-2-3 on the PC called Bottom Line which does
this.  Does anyone know if this is available for Excel for the Mac, or
if there is a similar product?

E-mail replies are appreciated.

Thanks,
David J. Whelan
davidw@jessica.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jbrowne@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Subject: Re: NCSA/BYU Telnet 2.5: Problem with keyboard
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:43:11 GMT

speck@dat.ruc.dk (Peter Speck) writes:

>We have one solution in two weeks. Here, we *need* support for DK-ASCII
>(displaying {|}[\] as national characters) and other character sets, so
>we have made a patch to 2.3. We will upgrade to 2.5 in two weeks (I'm on
>the job). 

We've worked on adding this to Telnet 2.6, and it *almost* works.  Perhaps I'll
get a 2.6 alpha out the door this weekend.
-- 
Jim Browne                                          | jbrowne@ncsa.uiuc.edu  |
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System Administration: Where the fun never ends...  | (217) 244-7798         |
--"It's really weird... kind of like how Telnet is programmed." - Q. Koziol --
From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:55:57 GMT
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
Distribution: na
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5


In article <9933@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> (comp.sys.mac.apps), stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:

>Why? This flies in the face of the GNU philosophy, and my experience on
>the unix side of the world. People program for the fun of it - always have,
>always will.

The GNU philosophy is full of holes.  I will point out a few.  Consider
who GNU's major supporters are: educational institutes and proprietary
hardware developers.  These people are not trying to make a living
on software.  The hardware vendors make a living by selling hardware.
Hardware sells if there are applications able to run on it (which
is why there are a lot more peecees that unix systems).  Schools make
a living by teaching.  In both cases, software development is not
mission critical, but more in the realm of being a hobby.

Consider the GNU products: Have they put out any really new products?
Or are almost all of their products of the sort "me too, with a twist".

Look at the types of products that they have produced.  How many of
them are user oriented?  User friendly?  Things like spreadsheets,
word processors, draw programs, paint programs, etc?  Do they have
anything like Adobe Photoshop for example?  Compare GNU's products
with those available on the Mac or peecee.  Notice any (LARGE) holes
in the GNU product line?

How many of their applications would only appeal to programmers?

How many software engineers are willing to devote a year or so to 
developing an application that they do not need, but someone else
does, that someone else to make money off of it.  How many are willing
to do this, gratis?  *I'm* not.

>Programmers deserve to make a living, not a killing.

I really cannot understand this attitude.  Why are software engineers
special in this case?  Why shouldn't they be allowed to make money
from their abilities?  Why is it that the parasites of the world seem
to think that there are classes of people who, instead of being rewarded
for their abilities, should only be allowed to exist.

Put simply, why should I bust my balls, use my brain, to make your
life easier, when you are not willing to reciprocate?

+C


-------------------------------------------------------------
Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us

"F' cryin' out loud, it's *your* life; shouldn't you at least examine 
your lifestyle values to see if they are really what *you* want."
										--Keith Lim
From: lka@tigger.cs.bham.ac.uk (Leonard Aye)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Drag-drop deBinHex application saught
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:43:16 GMT
Reply-To: L.Aye@cs.bham.ac.uk
Organization: Birmingham University Computer Science


Is there a program which allows me to deBinHex a bunch of binhex files in
one go, either by drag-drop or via a batch process.

Thanks all.

Len
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From: Ken Pedrotti
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: File translators
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:41:31 GMT
Organization: Rockwell Science Center

In article <1992Jul29.002635.16192@tron.bwi.wec.com> carson@tron.bwi.wec.com
(Dana Carson) writes:
>  A friend is looking to convert Mac PICT files to PC Harvard Graphics
>files.  He has a Mac program that translates file types (the name has
>escaped me for now) but it doesn't have the foramt he wants.......

And on a related note I would like to find a program for the conversion of Gifs
to PICT.  Preferrably in a batch process.  Both QuickGif and Giffer can open
Gifs and save then as PICTs but the files must be opened one at a time and
then, to save the file with a new extension, the name must be manually typed
in.  I haven't figured out a good way to automate the process with either
AutoMac or Macromaker etc.  Is there a better alternative out there?  I also
have access to a UNIX Sun Sparc system on which the conversion could in
principle be made and which is much friendlier to automatic file scripting. 
But I don't know of any software to convert Gifs to PICTs on that machine.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Anybody know anything about SOFT PC WINDOWS?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:34:41 GMT

lie6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jonathan A. Lieberman) writes:
>Copyright (c) 1992          | People demand freedom of speech to make up 
>Jonathan Lieberman          | for the freedom of thought which they avoid.
>lie6@midway.uchicago.edu    |                        -Kierkegaard
I know two things;
1.  MacWeek said that Insignia is coming out with a SoftPC Windows.
2.  Microsoft licensed elements of SoftPC for use in Windows NT, my guess is
that Insignia got permission or the information neccesary to produce a
Windows emulator as part of this deal.  
-Terry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: richieb@bony1.bony.com (Richard Bielak)
Subject: Sueing the goverment (Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?)
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' Organization!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul15.191628.17543@mcs.drexel.edu> uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) writes:

[...]
>
>There HAS been on documented case where someone sued the government and
>one.

Yes. Pitcairn, a man who had a number of patents regarding autogiros
allowed the goverment to use his patents during WW II in research on
helicopters. After the war, he wanted his patents back and wanted to
be paid by users of his patents (eg. Sikorsky).

The trial lasted about 30 years, but Pitcairn eventually won.

...richie



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From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Zterm help please.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:48:48 -0500

  DD> ZTerm will work with anything, but it's set up
  DD> to work with a Hayes-compatible modem. Anything past 2400 BPS will
  DD> require a hardware handshaking cable, which you can get from Macs'
  DD> Place or MacConnection....
 
Correct, but you should be more specific. If you wish to communicate with a BBS
or download files any cable will work fine at any speed. 

You only need a hardware handshake cable if you wish to UPLOAD at high speed.
 
  
 
 
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From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,aus.mac
Subject: Re: QK possible config problem
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:35:48 GMT
Organization: Apple

In article <79437@yarra.pyramid.com.au>, glb@yarra.pyramid.com.au (George Budahazy) writes:
> 
> 
>  Hello to All,
> 
>  Does anyone know why Quickeys stops working when any more than 10 applications
>  are open. It is independent upon available memory (eg 3.1mb available out of 8)

Hmmm. I just opened 11 apps and then used QuicKeys 2.1.2a to type
the sig below. 35K was avail. out of 8 Megs...

> 
>  A second question, it is posible for quickeys to react to key words rather
>  than control, option and command and the combinations thereof. I know this
>  may defeat the designed purposes of quickeys but its sometimes easier to
>  type a keyword (and remember) rather than wrapping one fingers around the
>  keyboard.

I don't think so, but blind typing (like in HyperCard) would be nice
in certain situations.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Macintosh Pascal Upgrade?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:07:52 GMT

In article <14k4itINNavo@agate.berkeley.edu>, iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul21.223725.622@massey.ac.nz> news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News

> >1) Does anyone know if SYMANTEC has officially ceased development of Macintosh
> >Pascal?
> 
> I certainly can't speak OFFICIALLY, but since they no longer offer it for sale
> (as far as I know) and I would be hard-pressed to understand why they would
> support two pascal products, it would be my guess that Macintosh Pascal is no
> longer supported.

I believe that they still offer it for sale to educational institutions.

> >
> >2) Has anyone got a version later that 3.02 which does address the above bugs?
> 
> >(BTW, we would purchase the above, if available)
> >
> >3) What alternative simple, user-friendly Pascal compilers are available?
> 
> You might look at "Just Enough Pascal" from Symantec. I have not used this
> myself, but have heard some good reports on it.

JEP is not a compiler or an editior.  It is a Pascal programming course.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: cherf@serg (donny cherf)
Subject: printer driver for Epson & Mac ?????
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:53:18 GMT

Hi

Does anyone know where (or if one is even available) to get a printer
driver for use with an Epson printer on a Macintosh?

Thanks a lot.    dcj
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ackerman@helix.nih.gov (Eric Ackerman)
Subject: Japanese Word Processors
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: NIH
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:26:05 GMT

Does anyone know a good Japanese word processor and where it can be
obtained in the US?

A Japanese postdoc told me that the Japanese fonts found on the BMUG CD
would only be useful for a childlike-type of Japanese communication.  He
said that most Japanese word processors have a relatively simplified
keyboard that is used for composing the first version of a document.  Then
it is necessary for the word processor to transcribe this first version
into the more sophisticated Japanese/Chinese characters.  Apparently the
program prompts users when ambiguities arise.  Are such programs available
in the US that run under System 7?  How about System 6?  Naturally we'd
prefer not to install a Japanese version of System 6 or 7 (assuming they
exist) in order to run the Japanese word processor.
From: banks@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Need 'On Cue'-like program
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:05:11 GMT
Organization: ISCA

In article <36189@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>,
al@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Andy Lee) writes:
>
> I have been using On Cue to launch applications from the menu
> bar, but seem to be having an init conflict with some of my
> other indispensible cdevs/inits.  Does anyone know of something
> similiar that I could use and also where I might find it?

I too endorse Apollo (currently at ver. 0.8).  I use sys. 7 and still
find it indispensible.  It is being developed by Jeremy Roussack in the
UK and he welcomes comments (though doesn't, I think, email out
copies).  It is very flexible, very neat and has yet to reveal a bug to
me (in the current version).  I'm not sure where to get it, but a trawl
round the ftp sites should turn it up.

Marcus Banks, Oxford
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: THINK C and C++ (was: C++ and other compilers)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:18:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman) writes:

>  THINK C does have some OOP in it, but I have heard people call it C+ or
>C+-.

Think C v.4.0 had minimal object extensions, and was somewhat upward
compatible with C++.  Think C v.5.0 adds several additional C++ features,
and lets you write code which will compile under C++ without need for
conditional compilation.  It still lacks many C++ features, though this
may in some cases be an advantage -- I've seen some really impenetrable
C++ code...

-Ralph
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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Word vs. Repeating Fields in Filemaker PRO
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:38:13 GMT

In article <kantor-230792153921@brian.cheg.nd.edu>, kantor@nd.edu (Jeffrey C. Kantor) writes:
> 
> I have a problem using the repeating fields feature of Filemaker PRO
> and hope that someone out there can help.
> 
> I have a file consisting bibliographic data that contains a repeating
> field that lists keywords. One keyword in each repetition of the field,
> up to a total of three.
> 
> What I would like to do is a Mail Merge using Microsoft Word 5.0. Using
> the Merge export option in Filemaker fails, however, because it
> gives records with a varying number of fields. The repeating fields
> are separated by some odd ball character, not by the comma that
> separates ordinary fields. But this is still enough to make word barf.
> 
> Is there any simple way to do mail merge with  a file from Filemaker
> that has repeating fields?

Do you want each repitition in the repeating field to be 
a) a different field in the same merge document, 
b) to generate a seperate merge document,
c) be in the same field as the other repititions in that field?

If a), after generating the merge data file, replace the vt characters
(those are the ones that seperate the repititions) with tabs, and create
field names for each repition.

If b) Create a clone of the data base, then import the original data base
(or the found set, if you don't want to merge the entire data base),
specifying that FM should create a new record for each repition.  Then
export a merge data file from that data base.

If c) replace the vt characters with whatever you want to seperate them
with in the final document.  (If you use commas or tabs, you will have to
enclose them with quotes.)
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Drag-drop deBinHex application saught
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:26:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul30.152608.956
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

Also try DownlLine -  I think it is free and does drag and drop de-binhexing
and de-stuffing, and works in the background.


Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps