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From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: Launch Ramp Funnies
Keywords: snake shotgun
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:28:25 GMT


Not even the 'pros' are immune to foul-ups. I worked for a large boat
dealership for a few years rigging and launching I don't know how many
boats. I was in charge of fitting out the sailboats, installing
instruments and hardware, etc., launching and demonstrating. The dealer
was a high volume sales outfit and the pressure was on to get the boats
out quickly. I'd been rushed for a few days working on one particular
boat, a Catalina 22, and was forced to stay late and launch her that
evening (which kinda put me in a foul mood). I took Tim, another
rigger, with me to expediate things. 

We launched the boat, and Tim went aboard to motor her to her slip,
as I pulled the trailer out of the ramp. As I was climbing in the truck
Tim asked me if I'd remembered to put the drain plug in. 

"Catalina 22's don't *have* drain plugs", I laughed. 

"Well, where the hell's all this water coming from then?!", he asks.

"OH SHIT!"

I ran to the boat. I rememberd earlier in the week I had installed one of
those thru-hull knot meters with the removable transducers (were
talking about a 2 inch diameter hole in the bottom of the boat), and it
dawned on me that I didn't have it or the dummy plug in. When I got
aboard the water was about a foot above the sole and there was still a
beautiful water fountain spraying out of the locker. It took me a few
minutes to find the plug and get it in. I don't remember how long it
took me to pump it all out and clean up any signs of water. 

From that day on, whenever my supervisor asked me to hurry so the boat
could be launched within three days, I told him,"It's just not gonna
happen".
From: rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:35:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I've heard that owners of very loud boats have a psychological
need to be noticed;  based on low self esteem or some such...
Apparently it's the same for those with loud motorcycles,
loud cars.  Any psychologists out there who can confirm or
refute?
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cruising Boats (was Re: Book "Maiden Voyage")
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Sep30.094422.59292
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep30.132757.20943@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
|>
|>In article <1992Sep28.142427.14594@acd4.acd.com> dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker ) writes:
|>>
|>>        At the risk of offending some people, I will admit to never 
|>>        having been impressed by the Catalina line of boats.

stuff deleted
 
|>
|>Hoo Boy! (he says, beginning to hyperventilate) Now you've gone and 
|>done it. Off come the gloves!!!    :-) (for the humor impaired)
|>
|>Yes,  Catalinas look very much like average boats. That's because they
|>are average boats made for the average guy. They are intended to give
|>the sailing public what they want for a little less than anyone else.
|>They are not, and were never intended to be "character boats". In spite
|>of this, or perhaps because of it, Frank Butler has built more boats
|>(over 50,000) than anyone else in the sailing industry.
|>

more stuff deleted

Kind of sounds like a rag sailers BAYLINER dosen't it!?  ;-)

Sorry Wayne that was one urge I was powerless to resist.

--
Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
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From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Subject: Re: sailing simulators
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:14:09 GMT

Do any of the simulators come with a bucket of cold water to pour
over your head at strategic moments?  They also need a device
that grabs your wallet and rips up any bills it can find or
runs up charges on your credit cards.
Newsgroups: rec.boats,misc.consumers
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:03:20 GMT

Roy Smith writes:

	Ben Batchelder writes:

		Should one person have the right to pollute the 
		surrounding envrionment for 50 square miles. Thats
		a pretty big area.  Think about it.

	I think that sums up the basic difference between sailboats and
	powerboats.  A powerboat is much more invasive of its environment; 
	it generates noise and wake which are heard/felt a considerable 
	distance from the source, dumps smoke into the air, and sometimes 
	oil into the water.  A sailboat's impact on its environment is 
	largely the space it occupies.  Granted, a sailboat generates a 
	"wind shadow", but that's usually only of concern to other 
	sailboats (in fact, in sailboat racing, wind shadows can be
	a tactical weapon).

I have to wonder how much boating you have done. Almost all sailboats 
are displacement boats, whereas a lot of power boats are planing boats.
Displacement boats generate wake, planing boats do not (to speak of).
It follows that sailboats make a lot of wake -- particularly if they
are travelliong under power at above hull speed -- as they often do.
Personally I like wake. It gives my sailing skills a challenge. 

						Fido

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From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Loud Ferries
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:17:00 GMT

This year (last year?) we acquired a high-speed catamaran ferry service 
from Vancouver to Victoria. I can hear them coming 5 miles away downwind - 
much further than any other commercial traffic, or any pleasure boats that 
frequent Georgia Strait. The noise isn't particularly grating on the ears, it 
just doen't have much competition. I believe they're starting another line to 
Nanaimo sometime soon. Kind of spoils the peace and quiet of lying becalmed 
with engine trouble...

But I suspect the noise isn't a patch on the old SRN4 hovercraft that toot 
across the English Channel at 80 knots...

--
 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Westwater?
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:46:51 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct1.210006.7373@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>You can expect over 100 people there this weekend.  I'm not going
>until the 18th.  This weekend is the Great American Beer
>Festival in Denver, who would posibly want to boat over
>drinking beer?

	I've always enjoyed doing both!!!

	Any reason this was posted about six times?

-------
Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|
From: dickman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bob Dickman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Baja sea kayak destinations?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:32:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: charnel.1as81vINNhch
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Last winter, I took my first sea kayak trip to Bahia de Las Angeles in Baja.
It was great!  We are looking to do a repeat trip this winter to a different
location in Baja.  Does anyone have any hot tips on where to go?  We will be
driving from Northern California, so distance is an issue.  But obviously, 
since we drove as far as Bahia de Las Angeles last time, it is not that big
of an issue.  Thanks for your help.

-- 
Bob Dickman                 --------- __o       __o       __o       __o
dickman@ecst.csuchico.edu   ------- _`\<,_    _`\<,_    _`\<,_    _`\<,_
California State University ------ (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)
Chico, CA                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: lynne@cs.umd.edu (Lynne D'Autrechy)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: ISO Drysuit Information
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:43:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I was wondering if anyone saved the drysuit postings from a few weeks ago
and would be willing to e-mail them to me.  Since that time I've become 
interested in getting a drysuit and regret not having saved the articles
myself.  Thanks.

Lynne D'Autrechy
lynne@cs.umd.edu
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Building a Canoe?
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:13:54 GMT
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario

donwr@hpcvmcdj.cv.hp.com (Don Rodgers) writes:

>Wood construction is my primary choice.  Any experiance, recomendations, re-
>sources (books,etc.) that have been used would be welcome.

I built a stripper many years ago.  I have almost zero carpentry skills, but
every time I meet another canoe, people compliment me on it.  (Mean while
I'm hoping that they don't get close enough to see the flaws that I cringe
over, but nobody else notices)

I used David Hazen's book "The Stripper's Guide to Canoe Building".  I liked
the plans in this book - the Abenaki-18 (what I built) is almost a 3x27
racer.  The Micmac-18 is closer to USCA cruiser lines (4x36).

However, as my canoe nears retirement age, I just bought another book.  I
can't remember the name off hand, but it's published by Harrowsmith magazine
(Camden House Press(?), and it's by the guy who used to be Bear Mountain
Canoe Limited.  This book is oriented towards somebody who is more of a
craftsman than I am, but I'm going to give it a shot.  The plans (well,
lofting charts, actually) include Chesnut Prospectors and Sunnyside
Cruisers - classic canoe designs.  It also includes more information on the
WEST (Wood Epoxy Saturation Technique) that gives you a beautiful wood canoe
without the extra wieght of the fiberglass cloth.

Mind you, I build by Abenaki-18 with 4 ounce cloth (single layer), and only
enough resin to provide strength, not enough to make a smooth finish, and I
have a ~40lb canoe.  (You don't want a smooth surface, except maybe for
looks - leaving the cloth pattern in the resin gives you a golf-ball effect,
cutting the boundary layer for more speed or less effort)

Remember - the main ingredient of your canoe workshop is a crying chair.
You are going to have times when you are frustrated as all hell - and there
will be flaws in the canoe, but you will end up with a beautiful canoe that
everybody else thinks is perfect, and every time somebody compliments you on
it, you'll forget about the frustrations.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion/statement of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"AIX: It'll remind you of UNIX" - Geoff Collyer.
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: HF.RXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Robin Warfield)
Subject: KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FEATHER?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:18:19 GMT

I was wondering if anyone out there in paddlesville knows anything
about the Feather River run that is now exposed due to Lake Oroville
being so low?  I am not sure of the name if it even has one.

What I do know is that it is apparently a class III+ run with an
ugly 6 mile paddle out at the end.  Some friends are suppose to meet
us at the end with a houseboat for BBQ and what I am sure will be a
session similar to Nealy's "Whitewater Tales of Terror!"

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  I want to make sure I am
not getting in over my head.  I am a first year paddler with a
pretty bombproof river roll.

Thanks!

       LaZer Lady




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From: Barry Norval Campbell <NorvalC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Subject: Canoe wanted
Organization: Molecular Ecology Laboratory, Queen's University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:06:15 GMT

Hi:
     Anybody in the Kingston area or Eastern Ontario have a canoe for
sale?  I'm looking    
for a reasonably priced used boat.  If it needs repair work that's okay. 
	
Barry Campbell 
R.R. 1 Enterprise, Ontario
(613) 358 2739
Email NorvalC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle,misc.kids
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Trip report, Russian River N. Cal revisited
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:13:40 GMT


In our last episode, the Last Week of Summer, Deborah and I, with a helpful
native porter named Urk (my dad), explored the area between Monte Rio and
Jenner, observing a group of fiver otters, plural ospreys and so forth... 

We went back this weekend and found a sea change in the Russian River, the
locals were in arms and the mouth of the river blocked by sand.

We again made camp at Casini's, took an amazed look at the river several
feet higher than when we last saw it four weeks ago in the moonlight, and
spent the evening drying out and speculating if vast quantities of rain
had gone unreported in the area, or if a dam had increassed releases, and
settled on the tide as an explination (we hadn't a tide table with us, and
hadn't checked before, so perhaps there was a 6.+ tide that evening...

The next morning, Saturday we rubbed the sleep from our eyes and again took
a gander at the river... still mongo higher than before, to clear for run
off or release (we divert for an explination of run-off and turbidity, 4th
grade hydrology), not the right number of hours for tide (2nd diversion
for 4th grade tidal mechanics). After assembling our two-person foldboat
we set out down-river.

We had flat water paddling, gawking at the still-green submerged plants,
which Deborah thought a fitting end to anything resembling a vegetable,
seeing the herrons, egrets, ospreys, mergansers, sundry ducks as in our
previous trip. Periodically Deborah would taste-test for salinity, which
remained negligable, ruling out the tide as a cause. We didn't see the
family of river otters, but made up for that with a harbor seal, and
eventually made landfall at Jenner, where Urk informed us that the river
mouth had closed, and that hot clam chowder was available.

The return trip was uneventful, we used our large umbrella to sail much
of the return, and engaged via torpedo and cannon the two maniac, water
scooters running at 3x the posted limit, alas, without effect.

No fish were observed or mentioned by anyone we passed as being interested
in any bait or lure, though we saw a half-dozen salmon lurking at one pool.
We couldn't even find any panfish to dangle worms or eggs infront of, so
as a fishing trip it was a bust. The major bird find was a pair ow what
we've decided were double-crested cormorants, or pacific loons.

In summary, the Russian is a _lot_ less interesting when it has no tide
effect below Casini's bar (aka Austin Riffle), and no apparent flow at
point. The multi-week absence of new salmon due to the mouth-closure may
have an effect. Oh yes, and vegetables are best drowned without pity.

Happy paddling campers,

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Bay Area rainy creek runs
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:39:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:
>
> Does anyone have any information on any Bay Area creeks that
> can be run in the rainy season?

Dick Schwind's book "CA Coastal River Touring" (?) would be a
great resource.  Wish I had a copy!  Alameda Creek is supposed
to be the trashiest run in terms of brush and strainers.  Arroyo
not-so Seco is the 2nd trashiest.  Santa Cruz kayakers who ran it
last season report no rapids but major brush hazards.  Pescadero
is supposed to be a class II run; Lars Holbek runs it every year.
Where would you run Stevens Creek, above or below the reservoir?
I'd recommend the Carmel if you're in the area, it's fun paddling
all the way down to the ocean.  And, for people who haven't run it
(David has), the San Lorenzo is a wonderful III run (1 IV).

I'm very interested in the Sespe, which was just declared Wild &
Scenic.  Is it runnable after rains?  How hard is it?  In his book
Cassady seems to admit having run it, but doesn't give information
about where.  I've broadened the distribution to include all of
California.  Anybody listening down in the Southland?

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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Westwater?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:58:22 GMT

You can expect over 100 people there this weekend.  I'm not going
until the 18th.  This weekend is the Great American Beer
Festival in Denver, who would posibly want to boat over
drinking beer?

--Chris
From: klawton1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kathleen England Lawton)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: I.S.O. flatwater boat
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:39:32 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

Is anyone out there selling a Cougar- type flatwater boat in good
condidtion? (Yes-- It's a pipe dream) Contact me at the above.
I'm also looking for a good canoe club in Philly to train at, and general
news from flatwater
paddlers...
From: cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Waveskis, surfskis (also a test post).
Date: 1 Oct 1992 07:30:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Are there any wave- or surf- ski enthusiasts reading this group?
I know there aren't on alt.surfing, all I go there was weak
flames.  I am interested in finding out similarities/diffs
between waveskiing (I do it in Florida) and kayaking.  
Anybody out there tried both?

.sig? what .sig?
From: larryl@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Larry Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Building a Canoe?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:11:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA

I blew it on the last response.

To continue:
Quote: "included with the kit is just about everything you need to build her:
instructions, full-sized mold patterns, fasteners, epoxy, Kevlar, and heavy
Dacron to cover the pre-cut spruce and ash frames. Estimated building time
is 40-60 hours."
Cost is $299.00 plus shipping. They have a catalog available.
Address: The Woodenboat Store
         P.O. Box 78
         Brooklin, Maine 04616
From: atb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Andy Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Inflatable kayak recommendations.
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:29:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.boats.paddle, tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:

> sdh4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT DYLAN HARDING) writes:
> > 
> > I think that inflatables have no advantages over a plastic or glass kayak
> > and actually have a more limited use.
> 
> This is untrue.  Here are the advantages of modern self-bailing IKs:

a whole slew of advantages are listed
> 
> 9. They do not cause claustrophobia.

10. Your grandmother can paddle it

11. You can use them for air mattresses on overnighters

12. They make an awful nice pool toy for the kids

13. Your less likely to have people asking "what's that thing on you car?"

> 
> 
> To be fair, I'll list the disadvantages.
> 
> 1. They are less safe at high water because most people can't roll them,
> so it's easy to become separated from your IK.
> 
> 2. They are more expensive than tupperyaks, and withstand less abuse.
> 
> 3. You'll never win a race in one, against hardshells.

4.  They are dificult to do enders in

5.  Ya can't do mystery moves except in really big water.

6.  They don't look as cool on your car


oh yeah.

i'm kidding :-)  a joke.  ya know smiles and all of that shit


andy "just another elitist hardboatin' snob" brown
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Subject: Re: ISO Drysuit Information
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:34:26 GMT

I having posting problems so please excuse my posting this
as a followup.

Keywords: Sea Kayak info. needed

I'm looking to get into sea kayaking.
I plan initially use the kayak for 
exercise and bird photgraphy in the
marshes.  Eventually, when my skills
go up, I plan to do some touring
across the Chesapeake Bay.

Ok, I'm 6'3" and 175, and looking at Necky
kayaks.  Any recommendations on the
Tesla and Arluk III for my purposes.
Also what has been the experience and/or
reputation of Necky (quality of boat
customer service, friendliness!:) etc.)
Any significant advantages to getting a
kevlar boat that justify the cost.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks alot.

Terry.
From: KLEBAN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Sea Kayaking in Maui
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:31:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

We were on Maui two years ago and spent one morning kayaking with a guy who gav
e kayak lessons (didn't know much about it then).  Also there were people rent-
boats, but we didn't look into it.  Anyway, you can find out about these things
from your hotel (if you'll be in one) or one of the tourist stands with info
about boat trips, etc., or just ask around.  One fun place to kayak would be
from Kihei or somewhere on that side to Molokini where there is good snorkeling
The lessons were fun, including "rock gardens" if you wanted to.  Be ready for
wind and sun, it's nice and warm out there but exposed.   They seemed to favor
openboats (no deck) so dumping is no problem. An interesting longer trip (I
assume you are experienced) would be from Lahina to the next island (I forget
if its Molokai or Lanai).  Anyway given the big surge in popularity I expect
there will be a lot of kayaking activity out there.  Have fun!

Peter Kleban.
From: bmcginnis@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (BILL MCGINNIS)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: TOFINO EXPEDITIONS - FROM VANCOVER, B.C.
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:30:28 GMT
Reply-To: bmcginnis@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico

HI:
	I am trying to find out if anyone has gone on a kayak trip with 
	Tofino Expeditions out of Vancover, B.C. Canada.  Especially to 
	either Tenactita Bay in Mexico or into the Sea of Cortez (Baja -
	Mexico?  If so what was your experience with the company - was the trip
worth the money?  How was the food & accomodations and of course the paddleing
and the kayak equipment?  Any information would be helpful - I would like a
little background before I pluck down my bucks.  Thanks - Bill McGinnis
							  Canoe U.
							  Ca. State Univ.,
							  Chico
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Westwater?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:59:20 GMT

You can expect over 100 people there this weekend.  I'm not going
until the 18th.  This weekend is the Great American Beer
Festival in Denver, who would posibly want to boat over
drinking beer?

--Chris