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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:42:07 GMT

In article <92204.115718NHT@psuvm.psu.edu>, Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I'm surprised nobody has talked about the USAir - British Airways deal
|> that was announced yesterday.  I don't know much about it (except what
|> I read in the papers :-), but it sounds like a good deal for USAir.
|> USAir could use the money, and British Airways could use the
|> connections into the US that USAir could provide.
|> 
|> An article in The (Baltimore) Evening Sun on 7-21-92 stated that
|> British Airways would apply for routes between Baltimore and London,
|> as well as nonstop from Pittsburgh to London.  Right now, USAir
|> has the only nonstop service from Baltimore to London and has direct
|> service from Pittsburgh to London.  Why would USAir allow British
|> Airways to apply for those routes as well?  I don't think it would be
|> in USAir's best interests to let British Airways do that.
|> 
|> 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
|>                          Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
|>                          Space Telescope Science Institute
|>                          Baltimore, MD   21218

I came across the article and near the end of it was mentioned 
that this deal was good for BA in one way. They could move part
of their maintanence operation from London to North Carolina
where labour costs are much cheaper.
-- 

Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
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From: Qualcomm.Com. (DROBINSON @QUALCOMM.COM)
Subject: Delta Vouchers-St Thomas-San Juan- Canada-Alaska-USA
Organization: Qualcomm
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:34:11 GMT

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From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:08:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.yuan1.712001299
 <1992Jul22.213531.26670@ads.com> <1992Jul23.071409.24058@athena.mit.edu> <Bruyso.JxB@acsu.buffalo.edu>

AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.071409.24058@athena.mit.edu>
>davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun) writes:
> 
>>
>>Wrong.  Airlines, though they are decreasing in number, still rely on FF
>>programs to win customer loyalty.  In a business where the product is as
>>easily substituted as the airline business, this is a very important way
>>to keep a customer base.  More importantly, not only does a FF program
>>encourage people to fly on a particular airline, but it encourages people
>>to fly, especially for business travellers.  While it is true that
>>airlines must raise fares to accommodate for
>>the cost of these programs, it also must be taken into account that a big
>>airline's revenues are driven by business travellers, many of which don't
>>care how much they pay, but care more about which FF program can be used.
>>
>   I agree entirely. Customer loyalty is all the airlines have. Further,
>consider that just this week, USAir LOWERED its FF miles on all European
>flights. Hmmm. Then consider that as of Aug 1, Delta is will announce new and
>hopefully improved FF milage schedule.

Really?  Where did you hear that, and do you have any further details?
As a Delta Shuttle frequent flier, I've been increasingly dismayed at Delta's
high award levels (yes, I know they credit at least 1000 miles/flight, but
so does USAir, and they only require 20,000 miles for a free domestic ticket,
I think.)

-nhy

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yuan1@husc.harvard.edu                                  - Albert Einstein
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From: barrk@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Keith S. Barr)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.190948.14896@leland.Stanford.EDU> valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Heck) writes:
>Except that about a year ago or so a 767 dissintegrated over Thailand
>due to a thrust reverser that went off in mid air during a power
>climb. Not that having fewer engines makes this any more harmful, but
>it does reflect the fact that this is a newer plane and not designed
>from the ground up with its own components like the new Airbuses.
>
>Stefan
>

Yes I love that Airbus component which causes the airplane to land in the
trees at the end of the runway, or the one that allows the pilot to
select a 3000 foot per minute rate of descent at only 2000 feet above
ground level.  How about that feature that changes thrust settings without
moving the throttles, completely leaving the pilot in the dark about
rather important (at least I think so) flight information.

I would never even think twice about boarding a Boeing Aircraft, or 
a McDonell Douglas aircraft...I would even gladly get on a DC-10...
...but I would change my routing to avoid flying on an Airbus.

BTW, you may want to check about what has been done to prevent further 
inflight reverser application on the 767.  

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Distance Phone and FF Miles (was Looking for an AT&T)
Keywords: Why bother?
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:08:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute


 
>> >>How many miles do you get per dollar paid to AT&T with this program?  I  
>cannot
>> >>imagine that they are doing 5 miles per $1, or even 1 mile per $1.  Anybody
>> >>know?
 
>> In article <2A7824E6.23776@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David A.  
>Andersen) writes:
>> >I know this is slightly unrelated, but AAdvantage offers 5 miles for
>> >every $1 on MCI.
 
>In article <1992Jul30.174058.6015@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>> Northwest WorldPerks offers the same deal from MCI (now if USAir
>> offered the deal from AT&T!).

In article <1992Jul30.201911.27783@u.washington.edu> ihateuw@u.washington.edu (David Wong) asks:
>	But is it actually worth anything to your frequent flier account to  
>bother with a phone company? I mean, say you spend $100 a month on your phone  
>bill.  If that works out to 500 miles a month, you still have to spend that  
>amount monthly for three and a half years to get a free ticket!  I suppose if  
>you find it worth it to rack up a four-thousand dollar phone bill to get a  
>"free" ticket, but I've had other hassles anyway.

There's no way I'd ever spend $100 a month on a phone bill, but I view
the phone company/airline frequent flier deals as only supplementary.
I think only a fool would expect to be flying somewhere for free
solely on phone company-derived miles.

>                                                  I changed to MCI just to get 
>2,000 bonus miles offered by Northwest earlier this year, which would of been  
>enough to give me a ticket to the West Indies. They didn't credit me the miles
>in time, saying I had to be an MCI customer for a certain number of billing  
>cycles or something.  This meant my trip to the West Indies was off, and even  
>more ironically I received a coupon with my monthly newsletter encouraging me  
>to "cash in my miles" and take a companion along absolutely free. Considering 
>I switched at the beginning of the the year and hoped to be travelling a week  
>or two ago, you can tell what I think of Northwest and MCI.

If you truly signed on with the WorldPerks/MCI deal at the beginning
of the year, you should have gotten the bonus miles by the end of March.
If not, I would have complained and sent them the documentation.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: 094370@adpdp2.lanl.gov (Dan Comstock)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: A Question about Southwest Airlines
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:06:00 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.004009.12709@cis.ohio-state.edu>, romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill) writes...
>Hello,
> 
>A while ago I had a question about Southwest serving food on flights. The 
>answer was 'no', but does this apply for a 6-7 hour flight to Los Angeles
>also. This is kind of ridicious anyway since the airlines are deregulated
>and are in competition -don't you think??	


Sorry, still no food.  Southwest has no nonstops from CMH to LAX.  I am
assuming you will have several stops.  On each one of these short flights
you'll be lucky if they give you more than one bag of peanuts.

As an example, I did a roundtrip from ABQ-SFO this last weekend.  At the
beginning of the outbound flight the announcements included the word "snack." 
This consisted of *two* bags of peanuts for everybody (Oh, wow!!!).  

And by the way, don't count on getting a decent seat even if you have a
low-numbered boarding pass.  On my return flight there were so many kids
travelling on Southwest's "kids fly free" fares that by the time all the kids
were pre-boarded (each with 6 adults in tow, it seemed) that by the time I got
on all the non-middle seats were gone (I had #44).  Yes, Southwest pre-boards
kids and their families no matter what their boarding pass number is.

Oh, and another thing... this was about the 4th or 5th time in the last year or
so that I've been on a Southwest flight that backed away from the gate with
people standing in the aisles.  No "federal law won't permit us to back out
until you dummies are seated" announcement, no warning whatsoever... it just
started backing.  One more example of Southwest's glassy-eyed adherence to
their "ten-minute-turn-around" policy at the expense of passenger safety.
And they wonder why business travellers avoid them like the plague!

Just pray that Southwest doesn't monopolize service at CMH the way it has at
ABQ.  Southwest is a nice change when you have a choice.  When it becomes the
only choice (WN has the only nonstop service to the west coast from ABQ) it's
not so pleasant anymore.

Dan

Since I'm being so opinionated I'd better add the standard disclaimer here that
I speak only for myself, and not my employer.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: A Question about Southwest Airlines
Originator: romeo@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:40:09 GMT

Hello,

A while ago I had a question about Southwest serving food on flights. The 
answer was 'no', but does this apply for a 6-7 hour flight to Los Angeles
also. This is kind of ridicious anyway since the airlines are deregulated
and are in competition -don't you think??
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TWA
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:47:21 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.travel.air, rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>By the way, I find that TWA has the least pleasant/competent folks answering
>their reservations lines.  I know that Henry (and others) complain about
>their service in general, I'm not sure I'd agree with that, but certainly
>they do not give you a good first impression.

    I once read that TWA is using female convicts from Calif to answer
some of their reservations calls. I don't know if this is some kind
of work release program or if the prisoners handle the calls from a
telephone/computer setup at the prison. Maybe that's who you got when
you called. Of course, some of any airlines' employees (or the popula-
tion in general) can be a**holes. A good call monitoring program would
prevent their character defects from being communicated to customers.

					   Steve
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3339 alt.peeves:12357
From: mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:01:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <1992Jul21.164345.28482@ads.com> ellon@ADS.COM
						(Ellon St. Croix) writes:

>    When I was a kid we got one warning about how we were acting.
>    After that it was out to the car for a fanny paddling.

I feel it's important to point out that the topic here is crying BABIES.
One cannot reason with babies, neither verbally nor by application of
force to fanny.

I also want to ask the original poster, who claimed that the child's
parents made no effort to quiet the it: Did you attempt, or even consider,
asking them to make such an effort?  My point is that I find people quick
to, for example, want the flight attendants to "do something", or the
airline to provide compensation, but extremely slow to do the obvious,
and POLITELY ask the source of the offense to do something.  Many people
will respond positively to such requests.  If they don't, you then have
a legimate beef.

-- 
============================================================================
Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Bumpy Ride (was: Best Airlines)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:55:50 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology

In article <1992Jul21.234002.14076@EE.Stanford.EDU>  
mujtaba@goose.Stanford.EDU (Syed Aon Mujtaba) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.213921.930@pony.Ingres.COM>, reb@Ingres.COM  
(Phydeaux) writes:
> |> I find I  can sleep better  during turbulence...  in  any event,  
> |> it's certainly not  the fault of the  pilot. Listen  to  the
> |> cockpit-ground conversations sometimes (on UA  it's often on  channel  
> |> #9)  and you'll hear the  pilots constantly looking for smoother 
> |> altitudes to  fly at and ways around big storms.
> |> 					reb
> 
> I will flying trans-pacific in about two weeks. How can I tell
> which channel carries the cockpit-ground conversations, especially
> since in order to find out the channel, I will have to monitor all
> the possible channels. 
> 
> --Mujtaba

It is certainly not a given that the pilot will broadcast ATC to the audio  
channels, nor is it a certainty that it will be on channel 9 - although,  
in most cases it is, given the channel programming; there aren't more than  
12 or so anyway.

If you would like to hear ATC, then ask the steward or pilot when boarding  
if they will broadcast it. They should, but some captains do have  
reservations about doing so, for legitimate reasons.
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Bumpy Ride (was: Best Airlines)
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:39:21 GMT

I find I  can sleep better  during turbulence...  in  any event,  it's
certainly not  the fault of the  pilot. Listen  to  the cockpit-ground
conversations sometimes (on UA  it's often on  channel #9)  and you'll
hear the  pilots constantly looking for smoother  altitudes to  fly at
and ways around big storms.
					reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:30:44 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>->Sure, there're classes in Aeroflot, and they allways existed. They are 3:
>->1st, business and economy. Sure again, seats are assigned, though they may
>->have some bumping mess.

>the gentleman from switzerland just said there was only one class on
>the aeroflot flights he took.  are you calling him a liar?

It was my mistake (I'm the gentleman from switzerland). I should have
said there was only one class on the DOMESTIC flights, despite the fact
that I implied the international flights in my original post.

Kevin

--
Kevin Kells <kells@iis.ethz.ch>         telephone: +41-1-256-5746
Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH-Zentrum, CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: Badmouthing the Airbus
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:52:09 GMT

In article <92209.134424RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET> <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>Before badmouthing the Airbus 320 - or any other airplane - I'd suggest
>netters obtain copies of the investigation panels report into crashes.
>There is no 'component that enables the Airbus to fly into trees at the
>end of the runway' or permits an incorrect rate of descent to be entered.
>Just badly trained aircrew.
>On the other hand, the 767 thrust reverser lock valve, or the 737 and 747
>incorrectly-wired fire extinguishers in the cargo holds, or the 747 and DC-10
>cargo door latches, and the DC-10 hydraulic line routings, and the Tri-Star
>autopilot disconnect button wirings, were ALL hardware faults. Nuff said.

Not quite enough.  With fewer than 150 A320s in the air, in only three
years, three crashed.  It took nine years for the 767 to exhibit a major
problem, and the 757 and A310 have never crashed.  These are "comparable
technology" aircraft, and the A320 crash rate, despite what the apologists
say, is clearly a step in the wrong direction, regardless of the reason.





Cheers,


---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale,dc.forsale
From: smf7s@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Stephen M. Friedman)
Subject: Roundtrip airline ticket from New York to London for sale
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:04:46 GMT



  Round-trip airline ticket from New York (Kennedy) to London (Heathrow).

This is an Upper Class ticket on Virgin Atlantic, but it is standby.

The agent said that seats are usually not a problem, depending when you travel.

BTW Standby means call the day before; you don't have to wait at the airport.

You must go THERE by August 30;  you must RETURN by September 27.

I'm selling the ticket for $325 or best offer.



				Steven M Friedman



Mail path:	smf7s@virginia.BITNET

Telephone:	(804) 295 0235
From: drears@pica.army.mil (Dennis G Rears (FSS) <drears>)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TACA airlines?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:17:32 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army  Armament Research Development & Engineering Center, Dover NJ

In article <21JUL199210130550@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov> gessner@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Gessner) writes:
>
>I am looking for a tour company that has packages to Belize. Does TACA (?)
>operate between there and the states. Any ideas?

   I just went to Belize two months ago.  There are three airlines that
fly there:  American (From Miami), Contential (Houston) and TACA.  Any
travel agent should be able to set somethign up for you.

Dennis
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cer2520@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Curtis E. Reid)
Subject: Re: FF Magagines/Newsletters
Reply-To: cer2520@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:11:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.221903.5730@athena.mit.edu>, ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.190354.9391@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>  
>wb@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Bill Beblo) writes:
>> Can anyone recommend any magazines or newsletters which summarize FF  
>programs,
>> in particular, changes that I would miss if I didn't get the airline
>> flyers each month?  I recently heard about Inside Flyer magazine.  Are
>> they any good?  Can someone supply an address and cost to obtain a
>> subscription?
>
>Please post this information, particularly for Frequent Flyer magazine.
>I checked with a magazine service, and they don't offer it. I also called  
>for if they have an 800 number, but no go. The local newstand carries  
>everything (almost) but no Frequent Flyer. They do carry the (Dan) Quayle  
>Quarterly, however. 
>
>A phone number for Frequent Flyer's subscription service would be great.
>
>Thanks in advance.
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OAG do offer a subscription for Frequent Flyer.  There are two variations of
subscription.  One is a subscription that comes with the Pocket Guide (flight
listings of North American flights) and it costs somewhere $70 a year; another
one is a single subscription to Frequent Flyer which is approximately $25.

The phone number to call is listed in the Pocket Guide.  I don't have one here
but ask any travel agent to give you their number from the Pocket Guide.

Curtis E. Reid				CER2520@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Rochester Institute of Technology/NTID	REID@DECUS.org (DECUS)
P.O. Box 9887				716.475.6089 TDD/TT 475.6895 Voice
Rochester, NY 14623-0887		716.475.6500 Fax
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:55:16 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) wrote: 
->>months' notice.  Moral: accumulate those miles if you want, but don't
->>assume they'll be around forever or even a year from now for you to
->>use.
->
->What, then, do you propose that I do with a whopping 6000 accumulated miles?

not worry about them.  live life to the fullest.  eat regular meals.
sleep early and often.

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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