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From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: And MalayALam folks (was: Malayalam fonts)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:45:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.170520.9867@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:

[...]
>I tuned in, read a couple of interesting stories
>and THE END.
>
>Since the Creator is bound to tire with his Unbound and Unrivalled
>enthusiasm for sustaining the old glory SCI, someone needs to take
>up the slack here. :-) :-)
>
>
>PS. Perhaps, JM will sally forth into this void? :-)

1] A newsgroup is a forum not a responibility, sthanu. :-)
   If there are no articles appearing, the audience being keralites,
   we can only conclude that nothing of merit has come up to be
   discussed. :-) 

2] Glad to see J.M. stepping up posting activ. on both sci and ack.

3] Stay Cool.
  
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: sajeev@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (Sajeev)
Subject: Re: Sex Ratio, Population growth
Organization: Dept Computer Science, James Cook University, Townsville
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:07:56 GMT

In article <Aug.16.15.27.33.1992.6202@paul.rutgers.edu> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>
>So, how did Kerala get it's current population density? By migration?

Kerala does have its share of migration.
Most of the beggars in Kerala don't speak Malayalam.
An interstate-colleague of mine told me this; since then I started noticing
that he was correct.
(On the other hand, many of the small scale smugglers in
Bombay speak Malayalam. So we break even.)

>So, again, how did the high
>pop. growth in North India adversely effect Kerala?
>
Simple. The high pop. growth in North India reduces the probability
of Malayalees finding work in the North. Wouldn't that worry us a wee bit?

The opinions above are not meant to be taken seriously and fought over.

Regards

Sajeev
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: And MalayALam folks (was: Malayalam fonts)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.214534.25482@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
[responding to me]
>>Since the Creator is bound to tire with his Unbound and Unrivalled
>>enthusiasm for sustaining the old glory SCI, someone needs to take
>>up the slack here. :-) :-)
...
>1] A newsgroup is a forum not a responibility, sthanu. :-)
>   If there are no articles appearing, the audience being keralites,
>   we can only conclude that nothing of merit has come up to be
>   discussed. :-) 

Such gall amazes me. Not meaning to push my welcome here folks,
but I object to the word audience.

[Cool .sig deleted]

Sthan.

PS. Let me rephrase my unanswered question again: What does
"Ennalae" mean? This was one of the movies listed earlier.
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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***Cinmakal***
Date: 17 Aug 1992 14:02:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu



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In Harihara Nagar          Mukesh,Ashokan,Jagadish,Sidique        Comedy

Artham                     Mamooty,Jayaram,Parvathi,Srinivasan     Drama
                           
Dhawni                     Prem Nazir,Jayabaduri,Jayaram           Drama
                           Shobana,Jagathy,Innacent

Pavakoothu                 Jayaram,Parvathy,Ranjini,Innacent       Comedy
                           Nedumudi Venu.

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Why are there no industries in Kerala ?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:35:51 GMT

1] This is a question I always wanted to ask.
   I have travelled to so many cities in India and lived
   in so many states, I have always found Malayalis working
   sometimes as professionals like doctors or engineers, sometimes as 
   blue-collar workers. 

   Yet within Kerala itself there are few 
   industries. What is the reason for this ?

2] Stay Cool.
   

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna)
Subject: Population growth and density ..
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:51:17 GMT



  There has been an interesting discussion going on about Population growth
and density in the Indian states. Dr. K. Srinivasan  suggested that Kerala 
and Bengal have higher densities of population due to migration long ago 
because of better living conditions and river basins or availibility of 
water. Njan also supported this. I think I agree with them.   

However, it is a fact that if we combine the river systems in the south 
Godavari, Krishna and Cauvery they do not measure upto the Ganges or the 
Indus - thru Punjab. There is plenty of evidence to show that these river
plains in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Bengal are perhaps the most fertile 
regions in the world. Also, there are plenty of forests to account for 
the hunting which was probably a major occupation at that time. So the 
number of people who migrated to the north from other countries is without
a doubt quite significant. 

Why does Kerala have such a high population density ? I do not have the 
---------------------------------------------------
right answer and can offer only a theory supported by some facts. 

At the turn of the century the population of India was put at 150-200 million
by some demographers.( there was no census taken I guess). In 1950 
our population had risen to 300 million. A very small increase. However if 
we look at the statistics of the growth of primary education and health 
services they were spectacular in the Travancore and other districts along
the south - west coast. On the other hand states like UP,Bihar etc have 
only now reached that stage of social development.                               

It is a proven observation that when medical facilities improve dramatically
the growth rate of the population goes up quickly before stabilizing. This is
because prior to this,  high death rate and low life expectancy and high 
infant mortality  effectively cancel out high birth rate. But the medical 
facilities reduce all the factors that contribute to high death rate making 
population growth inevitable. Look at the statistics in India for example,
the half decade from 1900 did not result in a big increase, but since then 
in twenty years we have doubled our population. As a side note, Nagaland and 
most north-eastern states are experiencing a rapid growth rate now - it 
has coincided exactly with the growth of medical facilities. 
 
In the late 60's and early 70s India woke up to the fact that population 
growth had to be curbed and rapidly at that. The state that was best 
positioned to implent it was Kerala with its elaborate network of clinics
and health facilities. Truly amazing for a low income state. On the other 
hand states like UP, Bihar, MP etc improved their health facilities only
much later after the 60s and during improvement were forced to reduce 
pop. growth by "forced" sterilizations. The result is a decrease but 
nowhere near what Kerala acheived. 

Sanjay 







Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pillai@seas.smu.edu (Krishnakumar B. Pillai)
Subject: Sari
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:50:15 GMT


In reply to the question on the origins of the sari..


The Sari is, contrary to popular notions, not totally Indian.
It was first worn in public by the greek wife of Chandragupta.
Chandragupta was married to Helen the daughter of Menander, one
of the generals of Alexander (Sikhander). What Helen wore in
the court of Chandragupta was an adaptation of the Greek robe
that one gets to see nowadays only in the opening ceremony of
the Olympics. The dress caught on quite fast since it was popular
among Greek women in India. And the sari acquired a tinge of
aristocracy since Greek women were much sought after, as royal
concubines in those days.
Ref: Malindapanho (The story of Menander)
     or any of Prof. Joseph Campbells works.
Best,
Kris. Pillai
C.S,SMU,Texas.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Sex Ratio, Population growth
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:07:17 GMT

In article <Aug.17.09.48.45.1992.10742@paul.rutgers.edu> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:
>
>>What insight! You are the first person I've seen who seem to think that
>>population explosion is NOT a problem!
>
>No, it IS a problem, but it most affects the local population. The
>rest of the world is only indirectly affected due to environnmental
>effects. Have you found USA or Japan sufferring due to India's

Which you consider minor, I suppose.

>overpopulation? Apart from finding more market for their grain and
>electronic exports :-)

What will they pay back in? Babies?

>>Because there are too many north Indians in this world, already a bit
>>more than what the world can handle!
>
>Is it possible that your ancestors migrated to Kerala from North India?

I don't think so.. I can trace my family back nearly 1500 yrs to different
parts of Kerala. Even if they did migrate from North India, it must have
been before that, which is rather unimportant now. We are Keralites NOW,
and that's what is important.

I should have said there are too many "Indians" instead of "north Indians",
but both are synonymous here as south Indians no longer have the population
growth problem.

>Sumitro

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: ash@silver.sni.ca (Ashwin Palekar)
Subject: Wanted: email adress of group co-ordinator
Reply-To: ash@silver.sni.ca (Ashwin Palekar)
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:47:56 GMT

Wanted: email adress of group co-ordinator for alt.culture.kerala.

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From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Sex Ratio, Population growth
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:48:45 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:

>>I wrote this to make you see why pop. explosion doesn't automatically
>>hurt other people.

>What insight! You are the first person I've seen who seem to think that
>population explosion is NOT a problem!

No, it IS a problem, but it most affects the local population. The
rest of the world is only indirectly affected due to environnmental
effects. Have you found USA or Japan sufferring due to India's
overpopulation? Apart from finding more market for their grain and
electronic exports :-)

>Because there are too many north Indians in this world, already a bit
>more than what the world can handle!

Is it possible that your ancestors migrated to Kerala from North India?

Sumitro
Xref: sparky alt.culture.kerala:152 soc.culture.tamil:996
From: sohan+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Sex Ratio, Population growth
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:01:23 GMT
	<1992Aug14.202053.997@colorado.edu>
Organization: Software Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.culture.kerala: 14-Aug-92 Re: Sex Ratio,
Population g.. Njan@tigger.cs.Colorado. (1101)

> So you mean to say that Kerala, with the smallest population growth-rate,
> will lose more seats? Why should we suffer for the lack of family-planning
> on the part of north Indians?

> I seriously think that India is too big and diverse to be one country.


I fully agree that the state of Kerala should separate itself from the
Indian union.
I also think that Kerala is too diverse to be one country. It would be a
good idea if, after separating from India, Kerala splits off into five
countries, sans Kasargod which should be handed over to Karnataka state
in India.
One would be a country called Thy Kingdom Has Come in the shape of a
cross with its apex in Trichur and all the way down to Trivandrum or so.
West (left that is) of this would be the glorious People's Republic of
Kerala and east (right, that is) would be the Kerala RamaRajyam. North
of the cross would be the Islamic Republic of Mapilasthan. And somewhere
in a boat a few hundred miles off the coast would be a country for the
self-referentially named person whose aspirations cannot be met by any
of these nascent countries.
:-)
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.tamil,soc.culture.tamil
From: bill@ossi.com (Bill Kanawyer)
Subject: Tuvan Folk Music?
Summary: Looking for recordings of Tuvan music
Keywords: hoomei, throat singing
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:59:19 GMT

I've found a copy of the (Smithsonian) Folkways CD recording of
traditional Tuvan folk music and have enjoyed it's unique character.
Does anyone know of other material available on CD, cassette, or disk?

Is anyone already a member of the Friends of Tuva society and know what
recordings they offer?

thanks for any help,

Bill Kanawyer
Senior Software Engineer
Open Systems Solutions, Inc. - A member of the Fujitsu family
6121 Hollis St. Emeryville, Ca. 94608-2092
(510) 652-6200 x141 --- bill@ossi.com

PS Anyone have any GIFs of any of the (now) famous 1930 postage stamps?
-- 
Bill Kanawyer
Senior Software Engineer
Open Systems Solutions, Inc. - A member of the Fujitsu family
6121 Hollis St. Emeryville, Ca. 94608-2092
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Tuva or BUST!
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:26:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:36:01 EDT
From: <SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: Re: Tuva or BUST!

I say, BUST or Tuva :)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Subject: Tuvan Independence Day
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:00:29 GMT

This Friday August 14 is Tuvan Independence Day, marking the day that
Tuva (guess what?) first declared independence.  This will only be
the second public celebration since Tuva was incorporated into the
now-defunct USSR, although independence was initially declared way
back in 1921.

I urge you all to mark the day accordingly - sing hoomei, play khomus,
and wear elaborate pointed hats to work.  You know I will! :-)

--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     Tuvan at heart.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: How far from Frunze Khirgizia?
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:25:11 GMT

David Gustavson (dbg@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu) writes:
>How far is Tuva from Frunze, Khirgizia? (In time, via realistic travel
>means, as well as distance.) So much of the descriptions of the two places
>sound similar that there must be a lot of cultural similarity. 
>I have the chance to go to Frunze for a week to stay in someone's home as
>part of a Friendship Force exchange next spring. I haven't decided yet, but
>I'm tempted. Just wondering if it might work to visit Tuva before or after.

If someone is inviting you to Frunze, you should consider to stay 
home, because there is no such place in Kyrgyzstan. The capital 
carried that name during the Soviet era, but is Bishkek now.

Looking at the not very detailed map in my calendar, the straight 
line from Bishkek to Tuva is about 1500-2000 km long.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Life is wonderful when the wonderlife is full
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: braphael@elara.mitre.org (Ben J Raphael)
Subject: Tuvan independence
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:54:30 GMT

	Which republic of the former USSR is Tuva located in?  Are
there any 
renegade Tuva separatists seeking Tuvan independence?
From: dbg@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (David Gustavson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: How far from Frunze Khirgizia?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:34:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.tuva
Organization: SLAC

How far is Tuva from Frunze, Khirgizia? (In time, via realistic travel
means, as well as distance.) So much of the descriptions of the two places
sound similar that there must be a lot of cultural similarity. 
I have the chance to go to Frunze for a week to stay in someone's home as
part of a Friendship Force exchange next spring. I haven't decided yet, but
I'm tempted. Just wondering if it might work to visit Tuva before or after.

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    Stanford, CA 94309   tel (415)926-2863  fax (415)961-3530
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: kerryy@bnr.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Subject: Tuva or Bust - the book, the trip.
Reply-To: kerryy@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:15:16 GMT

THE BOOK
  I noticed in a bookstore last Saturday that Ralph Leighton's book
"Tuva or Bust" is now available in paperback for all you cheapskates
that didn't splurge on the collectors' first edition last year :-).
This means you, Impey!

THE TRIP
  It would seem that more and more people are making the trip to Tuva.
A tour group is either headed there as I write, or they have already
arrived.  The producer of the CD "Voices from the Land of the Eagles"
is hoping to take a group there soon, departing from the Netherlands.

THE POOR MAN'S TRIP
  Another shameless plug for the appearance of 3 singing Tuvans in
Pasadena this January 1.  THRILL to the smell of the horses they ride
in the Rose Bowl Parade!  CHILL to the strains of their singing at a
special concert around that time!  SPILL some kumiss in celebration of
"Tuva Day" January 3!  Those of us that can't make it to Tuva in the
forseeable future will be making the journey - email or phone me for
details.  Dial the long distance directory assistance and ask for the
number of Tannu Tuva in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada... :-)  Or wait and
see what info shows up in the fall edition of the Tuvan Newsletter.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: kerryy@bnr.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Subject: Re: Tuvan independence
Reply-To: kerryy@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:58:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.195430.11456@linus.mitre.org>, braphael@elara.mitre.org (Ben J Raphael) writes:
|> 	Which republic of the former USSR is Tuva located in?

  The Republic of Tuva is the former Tuvinian Autonomous Soviet
  Socialist Republic.  They are now "federated" with Russia, whatever
  that means. They have (or will soon have) their own flag and
  anthem.

|> Are there any renegade Tuva separatists seeking Tuvan independence?

  My conversation with the folk ensemble "Tuva" indicates that they
  are happy with the situation as it stands.  On the other hand,
  Russians are generally not universally well-liked in Tuva.  A recent
  post to this group (last week) quoted a news story on the new Tuvan
  constitution.  When I phoned the Russian (formerly the USSR) Embassy
  they advised me to phone the Dept. of External Affairs for
  information, since the Embassy prefers to speak only for Russia,
  I thought this was interesting - perhaps there is an opening for me
  as Tuva's ambassador to Canada.... :-)

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: How far from Frunze Khirgizia?
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:20:58 GMT

Kerry Yackoboski (yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca) writes:
>I said:
>>Looking at the not very detailed map in my calendar, the straight
>>line from Bishkek to Tuva is about 1500-2000 km long.
>
>Keep in mind that this might be a case of "you can't get there from
>here".  I don't have my US Defense Mapping Agency charts of the area
>handy, but I wouldn't be surprised if the route from Bishkek to Kyzyl
>was very roundabout.  I do recall seeing one map showing NO train lines
>in or out of Tuva.  Could this be?  I suppose, if the surrounding
>mountain ranges are very difficult to pass.  Of course, I am no
>authority on the matter.

Of course, if you are to travel the distance by land you maybe end
up with the double. The straight line goes right through Sinkiang.
I didn't discuss this since I though 1500 km was enough deterrent
for such excercise, leaving air transport the sole possibility. I
don't know anything about flights to Kysyl, but I'd assume that
Bishkek-Kysyl means changing one or two planes on the way.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Life is wonderful when the wonderlife is full
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Subject: Re: How far from Frunze Khirgizia?
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:02:23 GMT

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>David Gustavson (dbg@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu) writes:
>>How far is Tuva from Frunze, Khirgizia? (In time, via realistic travel
>>means, as well as distance.) So much of the descriptions of the two places
>>sound similar that there must be a lot of cultural similarity. 
>>I have the chance to go to Frunze for a week to stay in someone's home as
>>part of a Friendship Force exchange next spring. I haven't decided yet, but
>>I'm tempted. Just wondering if it might work to visit Tuva before or after.
>
>Looking at the not very detailed map in my calendar, the straight 
>line from Bishkek to Tuva is about 1500-2000 km long.

Keep in mind that this might be a case of "you can't get there from
here".  I don't have my US Defense Mapping Agency charts of the area
handy, but I wouldn't be surprised if the route from Bishkek to Kyzyl
was very roundabout.  I do recall seeing one map showing NO train lines
in or out of Tuva.  Could this be?  I suppose, if the surrounding
mountain ranges are very difficult to pass.  Of course, I am no
authority on the matter.

--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     Tuvan at heart.