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From: lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor: B.Benjamin/K.McHale
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:23:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.192809.14689@cs.sfu.ca> dave@cs.sfu.ca (Dave Peters)
writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.231951.26342@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
>>gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner) writes:
>>>The above trade rumor has been on the radio in Seattle today, apparently
>>>started by somebody at NBC.  Anybody from Boston heard anything about this?
>>
>>You've gotta be kidding! I'ma Ben-basher, but why would Seattle possibly
>>want McHale? He's only got a year or two left in him at most (if he doesn't
>>retire this year), and Seattle does NOT need another power forward. Cage and
>>Kemp are doing just fine, thankyou. And if they did want an aging power
>>forward, Bernard King is available. I know McHale has is fans (I'm not one
>>of them), and he was once an incredible player, but not anymore. Ben may not
>>be worth much, but he's at least worth somebody younger.
>[various sigs deleted.]
>
>That's not quite the point. Ben is making somewhat upwards of 3M per
>year, and will be under contract until at least 1995. He's about 10th
>on the Sonics bench, and looks to slide further when the Sonics
>reactivate Rich King.
>
>Trading for McHale - particularly if he retires at the end of the year
>- frees up a *lot* of money next year under the cap.
>
>Now if Seattle could trade Benjamin for McHale straight up, they'd do
>it in a flash. In fact, they'd probably trade Benjamin for Greg Kite
>straight up.  (Of course, there's no way Orlando could make that trade
>with the current salary cap rules!) If they could trade Ben
>(necessarily to a team under the cap: Statmeisters?) for any throwaway
>player, they'd free up enough money to keep Christie, sign their next
>draft pick(s), and keep their current roster happy.
>
>Unfortunately for Seattle, Benjamin-McHale is probably the most
>reasonable trade proposed yet. McHale has a large enough salary
>that Benjamin-McHale probably works whether or not Boston is under
>the cap. The only difficulty is the McHale is still too productive
>for the trade to go. If he sustains an injury in the next week or
>two, watch out! McHale to the northwest!
>
Those of of who were here in the 1978-79 glory years for the Sonics, remember
the critical role Paul SIlas played in putting the Sonics over the top.  Then,
as now, the Sonics had a young team and needed someone like Silas who had won
it all to come in and instill the team with the determination to win it all. He
did not add a lot of points or playing time, but his psychological effect on
the team was invaluable. After the last two games (both bad losses), the team
clearly could use an analogous leader.  McHale would be perfect in a similar
role.  

Now why Boston would want Benjamin is beyond me...
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From: qsnow@lonestar.utsa.edu (Quentin . Snow)
Subject: Re: Craig Hodges and the 3-pt competition
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:52:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.194931.7966@nwnexus.WA.COM> roper@halcyon.com (Michael Roper) writes:
>>>Also where's Craig Hodges??
>>>Can someone complete in 3-pt competition if they are not on an NBA
>>>roster,even if they are the current champion??
>> 
>> I hope not.
>
>According to the USAT this morning, Hodges has been invited to compete.

What gets me is that they are going to let Hodges (who is not on an NBA
team) compete, but they, thus far, have REFUSED to let the *ALL TIME*
leading 3-point shooter into the competition, Dale Ellis of San Antonio.

If this isn't completely absurb, then I dont know what is....
NBA and all of its Beurocracy. Gesh... What a joke!

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Barkley's big mouth
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:05:27 GMT

koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

>Remember when Parish
>punched Lambeir (or did he shove him into Rodman) - no T, no ejection,
>and no suspension.  AND...  it was all on film.  Explain that!?

Red Auerbach.


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From: vjrao@leland.Stanford.EDU (Venodhar Julapalli Rao)
Subject: Re: top 5 centers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 07:32:14 GMT

In article <1k6p09INN5ra@bigboote.WPI.EDU> trav@wpi.WPI.EDU (Travis Charles Korthas) writes:
>I missed the top 5 centers list someone put up, so could someone repost it?
>
>I was wondering where Hakeem Olajuwon stood on the list.  I have never been 
>
>a Hakeem fan but recently I looked at his stats.  It appears he is having a
>
>season as good as Robinson is having if not better, but Hakeem never seems
>
>to get any respect.  Is it because he doesn't play on a winner?  What do
>
>you all think about Hakeem "the dream" Olajuwon?
>
>Peace
>trav@wpi.wpi.edu

I really think the main reason that Robinson is leading greatly in the 
All-Star ballot over Olajuwon is because he has more TV exposure.  His
Nike commercials especially have made him a more popular center nation-
wide.  Hakeem's LA Gear commercials don't exactly match up with the 
"Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood" commercials that used to come on all the
time...

----
Venu

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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: Jordan #23 always?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:29:19 GMT

bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams) writes:

>	And I thought it was kind of neat myself.  I am by no means Jordan's
>biggest fan, but one can't deny that he's a personality, and is going to pop
>up all over the place.  It's part of his role as an incredibly high-profile
>professional athlete to do so.  By making himself as visible as he does, he
>opens the door for more endorsements, etc.  He sure as hell didn't get his
>face on McDonald's and Wheaties ads by hiding in a closet when he wasn't on
>the court.

the fact is he's all blatant self promotion.  he's fukin EVERYWHERE,
not just on some things.  "be like mike"  eat his wheaties,
eat his hamburgers, wear his underwear, wear his shoes...
drink his coke..
it's all so overboard.  it's a pity the dumb public puts up
with his desire to be plastered in every advertising schtick in
this country.
i wish jordan would go hide in a closet and just play hoops...
but nooooo.

>	Just my $.02.  Hang on while I put my asbestos suit on.
>				- Boomer

well you can remove that asbestos suit now, i wont waste
any more of my anger on the overmedia-ized jordan butthead.

::j
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
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Subject: Re: Laker/Clipper TRADE.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:00:59 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan26.074018.59@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> centeno@pasadena-dc.bofa.com (R. CENTENO) writes:
>Yesterday I was listening to KMEN sports radio (1290 am, in the Inland Empire,
>California), and they reported that Jerry West and Elgin Baylor were talking
>TRADE!!!!!  They reported that the Lakers are looking to trade Sam Perkins and
>A.C Green to the CLippers for....Danny Manning and Ken Norman.  They,KMEN, 
>seemed to think that the trade is virtually a done deal.  Of course you have 
>to take this as just what it is at this point...a rumor.  
>
>Personally, I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet.  I would rather have
>Manning than Perkins because he is younger, and I feel he is a little more 
>versatile, and is definately quicker.  But Green for Norman...with Norman,
>we'll get more scoring, but we will lose some on the boards.

Wow, well this would be a big time trade here.  Looks like Jerry West is trying
to reclaim the star power lost by Magic Johnson's retirement.  Manning is not
happy in Clipper land with his contract and all, so the Lakers look like they
can handle that.  The Lakers really do gain in scoring, but lose in defense
and rebounding.  Would you want to leave your nightly rebounding performance
in the hands of Divac?  With Manning and Worthy, creativity will flourish on
the frontline in terms of scoring.  Norman will be strong off the bench, and
he can play some two guard as well.  All in all, Norman is pretty good on
the boards, but I've always felt that Manning is weak, especially since it
looks like he'll be playing full time power forward.

Defense?  Green and Perkins were definitely better...heck, L.A. used Perkins
to defend centers...he's a great post up defender.  As for the Clippers,
they lose two of their leading scorers!  Who's going to do it now?  Perkins
is a low post threat, but Green is kind of a garbage offensive guy.  Are
they planning to let Roberts shoot more?  The backcourt is certainly doing
all that it potentially can right now.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Ben's Trivia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:35:07 GMT

byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>Good guess.. not Manute Bol.  The blocker IS a former sixer, though.
>The Sixers' oppenents were the Lakers I believe.

	Hmm... that's interesting -- a former Laker and Sixer.  My guess
	(although it seems outrageous):

	Bob McAdoo?

	Yeah, go ahead laugh on.  I just can't think of a better name for
	a former Sixer and Laker right now.

	Jazzy J

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From: dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:10:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1k3t91INNb7u@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu>, goedde@math.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde) writes...
>In article <1993Jan26.171355.8792@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
> 
>[ Note: these are last year's stats.]
> 
>>HOME RECORDS:
>>                     Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
>>Pacific (134-48)     ----      31-18     35-14     68-16     
>>Central (131-58)     26-23     ----      69-29     36-6      
>>Atlantic (104-85)    23-26     52-46     ----      29-13     
>>Midwest (92-76)      43-41     23-19     26-16     ----      
>>
>>
>>ROAD RECORDS:
>>                     Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
>>Pacific (90-92)      ----      23-26     26-23     41-43     
>>Central (83-106)     18-31     ----      46-52     19-23     
>>Atlantic (59-130)    14-35     29-69     ----      16-26     
>>Midwest (35-133)     16-68     6-36      13-29     ----      
>>
>>
>>(The most amazing number to me is that Pacific teams had a winning
>>record ON THE ROAD vs Atlantic teams!  Now who's the baddest ocean?!)
> 
>Actually, the Pacific did very well everywhere on the road last year,
>for a combined record of 90-92 (0.495).  On the other hand, the rest
>of the league went 48-134 (0.264, ugh!) when playing on the Pacific
>division's home floors.  The same seems to be happening this year,
>too, with only the Central being anywhere near 0.500 on the road
>against the Pacific division.
> 
>This makes me wonder if there's more to this than just the relative
>strength of the divisions.  For instance, the East coast teams are
>on the "wrong" end of the time change---when they play and 8pm west
>coast game, that's like playing from 11pm until 2 am their time.  I
>can see how a few days of that could get tiresome.  On the other hand,
>a west coast team playing at 8pm on the east coast is playing from 5pm
>to 8pm their time.

I would say you got this thing backwards.  Every time I fly to the east
coast I am wiped out  for two or three days but when I finally come home
adapting to going West is easier.

> 
>Does anybody know if this kind of thing shows up in other sports, like
>baseball?
> 
>chris
>goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu
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From: shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar)
Subject: Chris Morris
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:34:53 GMT


I noticed that Chris Morris didn't play last game, and had few minutes
the previous game.

Does anybody know what his status his?  Injury, out for how long?
Thanks
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From: cs225b26@dcl-nxt40.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student)
Subject: Re: Michael Jordan scoring question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:16:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.071455.11654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight  
Toker) writes:
 Then a couple nights later Michael "You 
> too can score 30 ppg if you put up 50 shots a game" Jordan scored the 69
> to make sure no one would out do him for the year....
 
> Jeff Hawkins
> gjh2j@virginia.edu


Your anti-Jordan statement is unfounded, probably due to your lack of  
statistical knowledge.  So let me set the record straight:  Jordan has  
shot 50% consistently over the last 4 or 5 years and only a few select  
guards (i.e. Paxson, Hornacek, Petrovic) do it consistently.  And although  
he has dipped under that mark this year, he is still shooting around 49%.   
So in the future, do not group Jordan with such shot happy guards as  
Thomas, Dumars and Hardaway, whose ideas of "good shot selection"  is  
picking which picture to put in their family photo albums.


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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Lefty's who play right handed <was Re: left handed teams>
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:41:10 GMT

In article <timlin.727643973@spot.Colorado.EDU> timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:

>So now we have:
>
> C:
>PF:
>SF: Bird
>SG: Gill
>PG:
>
>I've always been fascinated by people like this (also Andre Dawson in 
>baseball) because I am right handed, but only because my dad din't believe
>in left handedness.
>
>Add anyone you know about.

    Well, I write and do just about everything else left-handed, but 
in sports I throw, catch, etc. right-handed.  
     Oh, you meant NBA players...never mind.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:55:09 -0500 
From: Myung Joon Choi <mc83+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Cadillac Anderson???

I haven't checked the b-board in a while, so forgive me if this has
already been discussed, but does anybody have any word on whether or not
Greg "Cadillac" Anderson has shown any interest in returning to the NBA?
Thanks.

									me
From: shimoide@ai32.ics.nitech.ac.jp (Kunitaka Shimoide)
Subject: Shuffle
Reply-To: shimoide@babel.ics.nitech.ac.jp
Organization: Nagoya Institute of Technology, Nagoya, Japan
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:01:49 GMT

Is it the time to shuffle Conference or Division of NBA teams?
Sacramento unfortunately (,however I'm Blazer fan). 

Kuni.
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From: temoche@usuhsb.ucc.usuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (LRC MR. ABELARDO MITCH TEMOCHE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lottery
Keywords: Lottery
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:12:07 GMT
Reply-To: temoche@usuhsb.ucc.usuhs.nnmc.navy.mil
Organization: USUHS - Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences

Is there going to be a draft lottery this year or was last year the last year
of the lottery? If there is going to be lottery what is the structure going
to be?

Being a Washinton Bullets fan that's about the only thing to look forward to,
and hope they might be able to make some decent trades.
From: wyattw@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Wyatt A Webb;629-1592;92-835;tekig1.pen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:18:13 GMT
	<exby.728064441@spot.Colorado.EDU>
	<jjonsson.349@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> <1k6mkvINNon8@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>
Organization: Tektronix - Application Software Development
In-reply-to: curt@oce.orst.edu's message of 27 Jan 93 19:09:19 GMT

Well, boys and girls, here's the bottom line.  My wife's soap was just
interrupted with a "Special Report" on this incident.  (That tells you
just how rabid Oregonians are about the Blazers ;-)

Evidentally, there were NEVER any accusations about rape only sexual
misconduct (i.e. sex with a minor).  The girls told them they were 18
and consented.  End of story.  No charges will be filed and no official
complaints were made.

Although I would agree that if any of the Blazers actually did what was
alleged they were being pretty dumb, I'm glad this will pass without any
finger pointing.

An earlier post mentioned that a local article (in Salt Lake) mentioned
first names of players, one of which is Clyde.  Although possible, I see
this as highly unlikely as he is married with two kids and much smarter
than that.  I can almost see some of the rookies and younger players
involved, but Clyde?!  I seriously doubt it.

I could be wrong, but this is just my opinion.  And, as mentioned
earlier, let us remember that these stories came to light after three
runaway girls were caught shoplifting...  Not exactly squeaky clean
sources...

Oh well, I just hope this doesn't ruin any games or the All-Star
weekend...  I hate to see off-court stuff mess up ANY NBA player(s).  I
just love watching the game!

Later,

	-Wyatt
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Chris Jackson
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:09:03 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan22.211522.12105@unlv.edu> rajesh@longhair.cs.unlv.edu (Rajesh Viswanathan) writes:
>In article <C19wAD.C0F@inews.Intel.COM>, stan@cad628.intel.com (Stephen Tan ) writes:
>) I thought CJ might be invited to the 3pt shoot out but
>) never to the Dunk contest. He's not know to be a good leaper,
>) and he's only 6'1".
>
>Absolutely - even ESPN made fun of his name being on the Slam Dunk
>list when they showed him make lay-up baskets in an open court against 
>Dallas and mentioned that he might be practicing in secret for the
>competition.

Well both of you and ESPN might have a little egg on your face after the
contest then because although Jackson is not likely to win it, he is a much
better dunker than you think. As for the "not known to be a good leaper",
where did you get that? Chris has a great vertical, I think they said it
was like 36" when he was at LSU. He developed it by jogging backwards in
the sand wearing army boots back home as a kid.

He dunked quite a bit in college, they used to even throw lobs to him
at LSU.




Russ Smith
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From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lefty's who play right handed <was Re: left handed teams>
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:05:29 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	My son learned to play baseball before he learned to write.  Like
a lot of kids, he was fairly ambidexterous at crayons, with no resemblance
to da Vinci (he was a lefty, wasn't he?) with either hand.  I was not sure
which hand he was going to throw with, so I watched and wondered which
hand of a glove to get.  He seemed to throw right handed, so I got a glove
for his left hand.
	Wouldn't you know it?  He decided to write, eat, and brush his teeth
with his left hand.  He "throws like a girl" with his left hand, but he bats
"left handed."  He plays golf left handed,
and, what is perhaps weirdest, holds a tennis racket in his left hand.  (From
the descriptions I always heard about tennis, particularly serving, the motion
is similar to throwing.)
	He complains that the computer mouses (what's the plural of computer
mouse?) at his schools have always been right-hand oriented, so he mouses (vt)
with his right hand and can't mouse with his left.
	Of course, now that he's a teenager, he's starting to shoot baskets
with either hand, although his set shot is right-handed.
	Maybe that's why he has so much trouble making up his mind about things.

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Rodman curse broken! Det over Bos 103-94
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:18:00 GMT

Well, the Pistons prove they can win without Dennis Rodman, but they
at least need Olden Polynice to do it. They out-rebounded the Celts by 11.
And no I have no sympathy for them losing their best rebounder after
all the trouble the Pistons have had without Dennis.
 
More later...
 
Take that, Bis! (he's a deathbed-converted Suns fan) :)
 
--Eric
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