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From: hani@dude.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:26:29 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@dude.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Jul24.104547.26622@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@sensors.njit.edu (...NADINE...) writes:
[.........]
> >the state of N.J.?  I feel sorry for NJIT administration...Did they
> >ever try to have a gag order and restrict you from intellectual
> >spots on campus like libraries, bookstores, news stands, or social
> >gatherings for underaged prepies... 
> 
> Well I won't followup to your idiotic reply but to say that the 5 volumes
> were bought from our town's library book fair.
> PS: you should go to the library more often your spelling is poor.
> 
> Elie.
> 
> --

I am probably doing you a favor by replying to your proven idiotic
posts.  In any case , are you trying to wash this image by telling
us you WENT TO THE LIBRARY?  whow!..or by posting an appology to
Bassem, after the damage has been done.  You better assess the value
and the reprecussions of posting any article, image, comment, joke
, or other "Hehhhh" statements of wisdom.  You can post something
damaging and then claim "oh you know me Bassem"...how cares if you
are Mr. know_it_all when you are bashing people left and right?

I have told before and will repeat: stick to News wires, you might
learn something.
-HAni
> 
>                                  ________
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>  
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From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Re: European Parliament and the Lebanese legislative elections
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:24:57 GMT

In article <KhV-07A@engin.umich.edu> hani@pepper.engin.umich.edu (Hani Nassif) writes:
[..]
>The unification should be the objective of all Arab states ala EC example.
>It is of economic necessity if not a political one.  If some Lebanese are
>objecting to unity they probably should live in GreenLand, or maybe Antartica.
>By doing so they have no problem of unification with any creature...Maybe
>with the Big Foot population:-) 

It is good you brought this point.  Denemark people just voted in a referendum
not to be part of the European unification.  I guess Denemark people now
must move to Greenland or Antarctica to let the European unification happen.
Do you see how follish your argument is?  If the Lebanese population vote
by majority in an honest election to unite with the rest of the Arab countries
that will be great, at least my country will get a share of the Gulf oil
revenue, wouldn't you say?  So, what form of political government will this
union have, or do you want to unite first an decide on the form of government 
later?  [While in jail for defying the absolute Arab ruler]  My point on this
issue is that you should unite when it is benificial to you and not based on
romantic sentiments which others may not share.  When you unite, you should
know what you are jumping into before you start jumping.

>Eliew...Why don't you state your objections to an Arab Unified Countries
>that will share resources.  In this new world order, and while others are

Do you really think that Kuwait's miniscule population will share its
enormous oil revenue with Egypt 40 million+ population?

>uniting, we are swiming against the current.  The Arab Dictatores  will not
>rule for ever.  We have wittnesed what happened in East Europe.  Hopefully,
>some time in the next 21st century this will happen:-)
>
[..]
>-Hani

bassem
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: More polls. (Special for Hani :-))
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:15:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

From the Leb-Net archives:
--------------------------

Subject: UNICEF Poll: The parties, militias and the army

This poll comes in a serie of polls made by UNICEF and Association
Lubnan in Lebanon during 1991-1992. This poll deals with the political
parties, militias, and that of the Lebanese army, as perceived by the
Lebanese population. 

The poll is taken from "Al Mouaten", a monthly magazine edited in
Paris, and with whom LebNet has established contacts. You can suscribe
directly to Al-Mouaten: 33, rue Vaugirard, 75006, Paris or Beirut,
P.O.Box 1126. (one year: 165 FF + 65 FF shipping and handling).

Question #1: Do you think that the militias role has been overall
		positive or negative?

		+	-	(percentages %)

Bekaa		12	88
East-Beirut	12	88
West-Beirut	11	89
South-Beirut	6	94
South		26	74
Metn & Kesrwan	12	88
North		10	90
Shouf		22	78

Total		14	86

Question #2: Do you think the political parties roles have been
		overall positive or negative?

		+	-	(percentages %)

Bekaa		13	87
East-Beirut	19	81
West-Beirut	13	87
South-Beirut	9	91
South		13	87
Metn & Kesrwan	16	84
North		16	84
Shouf		31	61

Total		17	83

Question #3: What does the Lebanese army institution represent in your
		eyes? 

A. The symbol of the unity and integrity of the country
B. The only guarantee of the sovereignty of the country
C. A useless institution
D. A dangerous institution

			A	B	C	D

Bekaa			20	53	22	6
East-Beirut		11	53	37	0
West-Beirut		18	55	17	9
South-Beirut		38	36	20	6
South			22	55	17	6
Metn & Kesrwan		16	54	24	5
North			17	65	12	6
Shouf			18	52	25	6

Total			21	52	21	6


PS: To join LebNet or participate in the discussions, please contact:

			Leb-Net@ctr.columbia.edu
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: questionnaire
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:33:15 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal



To whom it may concern,


In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.

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If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you| 
qualify as a respondent. You must also be  a resident of the province 
of Quebec.
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If you wish to receive a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message or provide me with a postal address. You should expect the
questionnaire to arrive via Canada Post within the week. 

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David H. Irwin

Please note: this posting should appear only in the Quebec distribution
area. If you can read this posting outside the province of Quebec, please
disregard it. The survey is limited to Quebec residents. Thanx!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
David H. Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca
University of Montreal
			<<Have a Nice Day>>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Re: Brotherhood ... one more time
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.182139.14016@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> jrad@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (ahmad.m.jrad) writes:
[..]
>You forget one major difference though in comparing us to Sweden and
>Norway. We are Muslims (most of us anyway), they are not. We are
>exhorted in the Qur'an to unite by God almighty himself. We must
>unite or at least try to, otherwise we may just all be united in
>the flames of Hell. I bet if the USA wanted to add Lebanon as one

Does unity require a single ruler.  Would it be possible for example
to have a federation of Arab states which allows Muslims to be united
yet has room for non-Muslims.  What form of political government
would such a body have.  Do you know of any good scholary treaties
on the subject that you can point me towards to read.  I really
would like to know what Islam offers.  I know the history of the Khulafa'
al-rachidiin, the Oomawiin, the Abassiit, the current kings, sultans, etc..
but what does the source (the Qur'an and the Hadith) say?  The Saudi
monarchy has managed to twist the Qur'an and the Hadith to support them
in everything (including calling upon the West to help them against Iraq).
Are the Saudis a raw model?

I realise this is probably a non-scl thread but considering the current
discussion, this is someport said
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Thanks.. 

thanks elie.. I finally got to read it.. very interesting.. one more day to
go and this very tiring week will be over.. then I can catch up on the
AlephLeb messages, whew!

bassem
bassem

>of its states, then many Lebanese who oppose unification with Syria
>will be in favor of that. Well let us remember that even the USA was
>weak and divided at one time in its history. Success requires hard
>work and sacrifice.
>
>Give me one good reason the Lebanese Muslim should not be in favor
>of uniting with Syria. You see Elie, the Lebanese Muslims have nothing
>to lose, they are economically dominated by their Christian brothers
>and politically oppressed by their Syrian brothers. What is left
>to lose? 
>
>Ahmad
From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: The Syrian security point of view
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:32:46 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <1992Jul30.160328.1053@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.142219.8983@prism.poly.edu> medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar) writes:
>
>>1. I grew up in Syria in the 70s, I lived about 15 km from the the so called 
>>lebanese border (Tripoli). Almost every night Isreali Jets would come over the 
>>area I lived in through Lebanon and Bomb the Hell out of Syrian positions.
>>
[etc..]

Haidar, would you be careful how you quote my message, I certainly did not
write that _I_ grew up in Syria.  I quoting a message that was sent to me by a
person who shall remain anonymous.

Thank you..

bassem


>
>-- 
>H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
>Dept. of Computer Engineering
>Crawford Hall 215C
>Case Western Reserve U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:45:47 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <#3R-88-@engin.umich.edu> hani@gilaman.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul23.000241.13998@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...) writes:
>> 
>> Caption:
>> 
>> "Negroes of Hejaz Outside their Miserable Home Built of Dirty Rags and 
>>  Ropes"
>> 
>> There are many negroes in Arabia, some of whom are actuially slaves. Most
>> of them are the descendants of slaves brought in the past from the near-by
>> African coast. When we compare this negro home, so untidy, so dark and
>> airless within, with the lofty substantial Arab houses beyond, which
>> appear rather modern, we understand how low is the degree of culture
>> to which these people have attained. It is in the shape of the beehive
>> huts so common in Africa, and its walls are formed of odd fragments
>> of sacking and rags and felt held together by ropes.
>
>You are so intellectually bankrupt to the point where you are 
>trying to hide behind sick articles, idiotic gif files, and 
>irrelevant references (books from a neo-racist groups giveaway).
>Can you state your opinion with no visual or stolen aids.  In 
>fact the question is, have ever had an opinion?  Are you considered
>legaly sain, mentally sound, or  psychologically independent in
>the state of N.J.?  I feel sorry for NJIT administration...Did they
>ever try to have a gag order and restrict you from intellectual
>spots on campus like libraries, bookstores, news stands, or social
>gatherings for underaged prepies... 

Well I won't followup to your idiotic reply but to say that the 5 volumes
were bought from our town's library book fair.
PS: you should go to the library more often your spelling is poor.

Elie.

--

                                 ________
________________________________/--------\______________________________________
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: guide.gif: INFO
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:59:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Caption:

"Guide to mountain paths"

There are so few roads or good paths in the country, and the mountains
are so broken up into ravines, that a guide is needed by anyone who 
wishes to travel in these parts.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Re: schoolboys.gif: INFO
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:48:45 GMT

>Only the boys go to school in Arabia, since, according to strict Mohammedan
>teaching, it would be a waste of time to educate girls, who spend their 
>lives attending to household affairs. In most Arab schools, however, the
>boys only learn to read the Koran, their holy book, and to recite long 
>passages of it from memory. Modern learning and even the scientific 
>knowledge possessed by the Saracens, their forefathers, are considered to
>be wicked. The cane plays as important a part in Arabian education as it
>did a few years ago in this country. (meaning USA) 

I don't know whether you are quoting something or making it up.  Either way,
your posting it is to approve of it:

HATE Muslims
HATE Arabs
HATE Muslims
HATE Arabs
HATE HATE HATE HATE..

Don't you have something else to do than to hate?

We're moving into the 21st century and your still left in the dark ages
hating Arabs and Muslims.  Wake up.

FYI in Mar-Elias Btina, as a student, I used to get hit with a cane every 
week for refusing to memorise poesie.

If you want your Muslim compatriots to be with you to liberate our country
from usurperers, start by respecting their believes, but I guess your mind is 
already closed.  I feel pity for you.  May God save you from your ignorance.

bassem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: saleham@right.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: The art of quoting (ElieM)
Reply-To: saleham@right.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:06:02 GMT

For you Elie Mourad: 

When it comes to cultures, you got to be fair and compare because the 
whole concept is relative. And as my cousin put it, "if there are no 
bad people then what is the meaning of good people? and what is the 
meaning of pretty if there is no ugly". 
 
I am not moving with respect to this room or to earth but moving 
with respect to the universe. You may sleep in the car (some one  
else driving), still, you are moving. 
 
As for quoting books, it is always easy to quote something we like. 
To show you, let me quote a book which show you the origions of  
the western culture (save WWI, WWII, the Civil war in the USA, the  
homless, the crimes ...etc). 
 
In 1340, there was the plague of the century in Europe claiming
over one third of the population. On the people's reaction to
the plague, John J. Robinson writes in his book "Born in Blood":

"Special laws were passed against blasphemy, with very specific
punishments. For the first offense, the lower lip of the
blasphemer would be sliced off. For the second offense, the upper
lip would go, and for the third offense the offender's tongue
would be cut out"

"Self-flagellation turned into group flagellation as penitents walked
the streets, often led by a priest, and beat one another with knotted
ropes and whips tipped with metal to lacerate their flesh. Some carried
heavy crosses or wore crowns of thorns"

"Others found their own answers in uninhibited rites and sexual orgies"

"Others believed an appeal to Satan was the only alternative, now that
they had been abandoned by God"



The same book on the Capture of Jerusalem by the Crusades in 1099:

"Seized by a frenzy of vengeful blood lust after weeks of suffering
outside the walls, the victorious Crusades poured through the streets,
breaking open houses, shops and mosques to butcher every man, woman
and child they could find"

"Words spread that the local Moslems sometimes swallowed their gold
as the surest way to hide it, and disemboweling thereafter became
a common practice in the search for plunder"

"And so the stage was set for that strange blend of piety,
self-sacrifice, blood lust, and greed that marked the history of the
Christian kingdom of the east for two centuries to come"

 
Anwar Saleh 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: saleham@right.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: CLAO
Reply-To: saleham@right.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:57:15 GMT

elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
> From CLAO:
>
> Jim Muir reported from Beirut that criticism of the proposed elections
> is by no means confined to the Christian camp. Many Muslims have expressed
> unease and some clearly believe it is a mistake.
> He quoted Walid Joumblatt as saying: "I think it is not the right
     **********************
 
  Quoting Jumblat and Hrawi is the same. Jumblat is a militia leader
  and would not be a leader if he was not the son of Kamal Jumblat.
  I think Jumblat like Barri and others fear any kind of elections.
 
> moment for having elections. The timing is bad, we have much more
> important issues to deal with... the economic situation, the government
> and the Lebanese administration which is in total shambels and is totally
> corrupt."
  
  If it is totaly corrupt, then it is time for elections. In democratic
  countries, they call for early elections when the leadership is
  corrupt, or when the economy is in shamble. If it is because of 
  Syrians presence in Lebanon (which I doubt it comes from Jumblat) 
  then it is different. 
>
> Mr. Tamam Salam, a Muslim personality, also said: "I would say in the
> Muslim community, or in general in the Lebanese community, I don't see
> much enthusiasm towards these elections."
>
 
  In Lebanon (before and after the civil war), you may change the  
  first name of the leaders (Moslem or Christians) BUT NOT the  
  last name. In other Arab countries no names can be changed except
  by death. 
   
> Christian Science Monitor quoted Ghassan as saying that the Taef agreement
> has been turned over to those against whom Taef was devised, namely
> the Syrians. Mr. Tueini added that Taef was a compact to help the
> Lebanese be liberated from a Syrian takeover. Ultimately, Taef has been
> underwritten to the Syrians, and now they implement Taef the way they want to
> see it.

 Anwar Saleh
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Basil Hamdan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: European Parliament and the Lebanese legislative elections
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:26:06 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <27JUL199223145239@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu>,
csc_alex@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alex Khalil) writes:

 
> Thank you Bassem for this posting.


I second that.

> I regret that being away from Lebanon, I will not be able to participate in
> the polls.
> 
> Is there an address [ e-mail or other ], we/I could answer this resolution.
> 
> How about a common message?
> 
> I expect a feedback from you, fellow Netters: Hani, ElieM, ElieW,
Anwar, Bassil,
> Christine, Boudi, AliA, AliJ, Naji, Bassem, Wassim, and each and everyone of 
> you who feel concerned.
> 
> Scl or e-mail, your answers are welcome. I will post back e-mail if need be.
> 

I would be happy to participate in a common effort to voice our
opposition to elections that will have a predictible outcome.
It is time for us in scl and LebNet to stand up for once
and do something whorthwhile and meaningful.
It is time to show a united front for a united, independent,
and sovereign Lebanon.


>Bassem

> 
> Alex Khalil
> csc_alex@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu
> U. of Houston-Downtown


Basil
From: jrad@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (ahmad.m.jrad)
Subject: Re: jokes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:51:25 GMT

In article <9207250306.AA00317@panther2.panther.mot.com>, Ron.Feigen@panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:

 < stuff deleted>

> >Besides All Muslims are brothers regardless of national origin. Though
> >I may be making an assumption here about the religion of our Syrian
> >brother.
> >
> >Ahmad
> 
> I would hope that perhaps brotherhood would not be bound by religious 
> affilations, but instead be extendend to all men.  In fact we are all 
> brothers, it's just that some of us don't know it yet.
> 
> Please say hello to Mom for me :-)
> Ron Feigen

Ron,

You are absolutely right, please note that what I said does not preempt
what you said. We are all brothers from Adam. And for some of us from
Ibrahim, but unfortunately in many cases we do not act like brothers.

What I meant is that Muslims are exhorted to act like brothers in the
Qur'an and they should do so as part of their religious duties. This
is a special link between Muslims that is not shared between  Muslims
and non Muslims.

Yet this brotherhood is open to all. No racial boundaries or otherwise.
Any who accept Islam are welcomed with open arms to this brotherhood.

Peace.
Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: Ron.Feigen@panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: The Syrian security point of view 
Organization: Motorola New Enterprises
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:03:12 MST


<stuff deleted>

>4. Lebanon could not stop the PLO presence in its territories and could not 
>defend its self against Isreal. Lebanon's security is extremely important to 
>syria's security.

Syria could easily stop the Israeli's, without having to shed a single drop of
blood.  All they have to do is cease in thier attempts to destroy the State of
Israel.  Considering that Syria has attacked Israel on several occasions
and that Israel marched to Damascus (just to prove they could) during the (67?)
war, then left.  It is ludicrous to say the Syria needs be afraid of Israel.
Syrai *choose* to be an aggressor, they can also *choose* not be an aggressor.


>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com


>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: European Parliament and the Lebanese legislative elections
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:51:53 GMT

In article <SKV-wz#@engin.umich.edu> hani@ephedra.engin.umich.edu (Hani
Abinassif) writes:
>
>In article <-KV-dv#@engin.umich.edu>, hani@ephedra.engin.umich.edu (Hani
Abinassif) writes:
>
>> Would this same thing happen this elections?  Of course it will...
>> I am defending the Syrians.  But we did not have any presence of any
>      ^
>OOOOPS! This should read "I am not defending the Syrians"...
>I know someone who will think I am, even if the NOT was there:-)
>-Hani
>-- 
> ____    ____ "These views are explicitly/implicitly
>|    \  /    | mine...and not that of U-M or CAEN",   
> | |\ \/ /| |  University of Michigan| Hani_Nassif@um.cc.umich.edu
> | | \  / | |  1354 G.G.Brown Lab.   | hani@caen.engin.umich.edu
>



Hani I respond to ths article to save place!  :)


Don't you think ha we need to start anew?

don't you think that we should get rid of these old ggons who when they were
threatened sold us like raddish?

don't you think that we should build a new way of life?

don't you think that very many of us are fed up with rigged elections?

do yuo think that all of us see the Lebanon of the past as IDEAL

yes I prefere the Lebanon of the Past to the present Lebanon, but we should
stop at that!

Are you brave enough to put your hand in mine so that we together build a
better society!?

or do you want to continue to pour your litanies about the past, and not move a
finger to change the present, in order to secure a better future?

It is time you take a stance, and stop complaining about the past!


elie wardini