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From: boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce)
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:49:51 GMT

olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
>
>I said it before, and I'll say it again: as individual writers are concerned,
>Gibson and Sterling stand out in a crowd.  They just don't work well together. 

Hmmm... Try "Red Star, Winter Orbit", in _Mirrorshades_, if you haven't.  
An altogether great yarn (lor' bli' me if it wasn't the one they
collaborated on).  I stopped reading DE about a third of the way through;
my thesis is more exciting.  But "Red Star" is most excellent, as they
say, and damn near came true, at least the abandoned in space by the FSU
part.  

Don't take it so hard, though.  Everybody's entitled to one "Speaking in 
Tongues", even David Byrne.

And don't tell me there are no bookstores in Greenbelt that let you 
browse!  I can't live in a place like that!  Maybe I'll give up the job, 
stay in school, and hang around Harvard Square the rest of my life....  

	:-)
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"But as for the sucker who will write the review...
 If his mind is prehensile,
 He'll put down his pencil,
 And have himself a squat on the cosmic utensil."	--FZ
From: pol_in01@Oswego.EDU (Brandon Hockle)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: c-p
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: pol_in01@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Brandon Hockle)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <6B5JoB7w165w@korova> jbs@korova (jacques) writes:
>That'
>Gibson, Sterling, etc., are all well and good, but have y'all done the 
>background reading? Spinrad, Ballard, Brunner, Pynchon, Jarry, etc.? Work 
>backwards and then go forward in a different direction to arrive at 
>a very different, but equally valid aesthetic. It'll be worth it. 
>Cyberpunk is only one of many available forms. 
>

Yes I'd definately have to agree with you here this is precisely the point
that I was driving at with my previous posting about Until the End of the World
and post-modernism. I would have to say that if you read Pynchon's Gravity's
Rainbow, and maybe Burroughs' The Ticket that Exploded you maybe aproaching
cyberpunk from the same angle and spin as Gibson did when he wrote Neoromancer
after Gibson belongs to the first generation that experienced Pychon during
adolesence.

I think it maybe safer to say that cyberpunk's first author was Pynchon rather
that Sterling or Gibson. 

Please if I am kicking around old threads have mercy I am new to this group!


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From: lowk@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Karl Low)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: c_punk movies
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:49:06 MST
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

In article <1992Jul26.123251.7127@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>,
braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>
>       P.S. Does anyone else out there consider Heinleins _Friday_
>           Cyberpunk??  It has all the elements (corporate war, some 
>           nice hi tech, replicants, space colonies, etc, etc) except 
>           for the net.  and it was written about 1974, i think.
>
   
   Actually, IMHO, _Friday_ while having most of the elements is still not
cyberpunk. It seems to be lacking that dark and gritty feel which I so commonly
associate with cp. It's one of those things on the borderline, I'd guess, but
in the end, I'd consider it to be good hard-edged sf, but not really Cyberpunk.
 
  In a sideline to Cyberpunk, has anybody heard anything about a small
resurgance of "Gothic" type punk?
 
 
                                                  -Karl
 
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not?

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From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: c_punk movies
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:00:28 GMT

From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
>
>	P.S. Does anyone else out there consider Heinleins _Friday_
>	    Cyberpunk??  It has all the elements (corporate war, some 
>	    nice hi tech, replicants, space colonies, etc, etc) except 
>	    for the net.  and it was written about 1974, i think.
>

It just hasn't got the style.  (And the plot runs off the rails at the end,
when it must have hit a writing deadline.)

Look at _The Moon is a Harsh [School] Mistress_, it's got a guy with an
implant arm, pal of an AI.  Weird marriages, people wearing Ziggy Stardust
body-gliter, etc.  But Cyberpunk?  Nope.
From: hunter@work.nlm.nih.gov (Larry Hunter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: _The Adolescence of P1_
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:35:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: National Library of Medicine



  A couple of years ago, I read an old (late seventy-ish) book called The
  Adolescence of P1.  It was sort of like a biography of an early AI
  (fictional, of course).

A fine novel.  In a similar vein (and likewise technically pretty reasonable
for a 70's novel) is "When Harley was One," by David Gerrold (author of the
"Trouble with Tribbles" Star Trek episode).

					Larry
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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Re: CP Music
Keywords: Music Rap
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:53:32 GMT

One song which I feel is HIGHLY cyberpunkish is the track Cool Zero by Pat
Benatar on her 'All fired Up' album.  Check it out.

Fox
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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:57:43 GMT

What's the problem with _The Difference Engine_??

I found it to be a very imaginative piece of fiction by two of my
favourite authors.  Mind you, it's not cyberpunk by any stretch of the
imagination, but I thought it was a very entertaining book...

	BTW, for the information of some people here, Gibson has
stated his desire to get away from the CP genre, as he doesn't want to
be writing the same stuff all the time.  IMHO, that is a wise move.
See the latest Science-Fiction Studies for an interview of Sterling
and Gibson where he states this.
	
	What I remember Gibson saying is that he didn't want to wind
up writing "Mona Lisa Overdrive, Part 17-The Final Chapter:A New
Beginning" because he felt that that would take away from the
originality of his work.  If some people can't understand that the man
needs a break from CyberPunk, then that's their problem!

	Anyways, the way I read it, _Difference Engine_ came off as
the dream of a super-computer trying to find out about its origins by
re-living the events that led up to the "present day" we reach at the
end of the novel.  That is why it is getting disjointed towards the
end and why we get that pile of news clippings.   That is also why the
journalist/adventurer/secret agent character is acting funny (the
whole big Eye is watching thing), because he realises that he is only
existing in the "mind" of a computer fantasy!

`	Anyway, you can think what you want of the book, it's a matter
of taste.  But I fail to see why it is such a big deal that Gibson and
Sterling broke away from the CP genre, like I said, it's a matter of
taste and maybe they were tired of the CP genre...Ever think of that?

	In closing, it should be mentionned that _Difference Engine_
was a project that they had been working on even before they became
big as CP writers...Think about that one...

See ya!
			Shur-Lok
    		mchabot@vm2.yorku.ca

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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine (spoilers)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:10:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.172109.18300@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> apearlma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pearlman) writes:
>In article <20JUL199222275714@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov> olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
>>       "Their adventure begins with the discovery of a box of punched Engine
>>       cards of unknown orgin and purpose.

>The cards shorted out the Napoleanic engine.  The cards are a computer virus.
>Probably the first one.

    Actually, my impression was that the cards contained a
instantation of a Go"del paradox for the Engine - a program it cannot
run due to it's use of inconsistancies embodied in the machine's
system of mathematics. (Go"del showed that no complete system of
mathematics is self-consistant).

     Try reading Hofsteder's "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden
Braid", then reread TDE. I strongly suspect that one or both of the
authors was familiar with GEB-EGB. (It also helps explain the rise of
sentience in the Engine at the end).

						Peter Trei
						ptrei@mitre.org
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From: cjudd@esk (Craig Thomas Judd)
Subject: Re: Tetsuo
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:00:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.124301.952@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu>, ptsyck@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>
>> Perhaps Tetsuo is actually so me type of sequal of Akira or something like
>> that.
>Excuse me but Tetsuo died in Akira. So how can there be a sequel???

Tetsuo didn't die, but (along with the three 'originals'), 'became one' with 
Akira. With Akira's control over Tetsuo's powers, it allowed the hapless youth
to achieve the state (involuntarily) of pure energy...

So, there could be a sequel, but it would probably be rather dull...

Yours theoretically;

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From: lesher@bucknell.edu (T. Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: _The Long Run_
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:34:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

First of all, thanx to all who replied on my question re. _The Adolescence of P1_. I thought maybe I was the only person who ever picked up that book!

Now another question.  I have read Gibson, but not Sterling.  I also read
Daniel Keys Moran's _The Long Run_.  It's set in a futuristic U.S.A. where
US civil war has been quelled by an action of the United Nations.  The Net
figures heavily in this, as do interplanetary stations, off-world colonies,
and cyberization (especially of officers in the UN Peacekeeper force.

Any opinions on this book?  My impression is that it's a bit less gritty than
Gibson's stuff, but good nonetheless.

Also, I've been told that the preceding book, _Emerald Eyes_, is out of
print and unlocatable.  Anyone wanna refute this and/or give me some leads?
-- 
Tim Lesher  <lesher@bucknell.edu>
"Think about how stupid the average person is, and then remember, that half of 'em are stupider than that!" -- George Carlin
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #1
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 04:09:57 GMT

jdover01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Mike Wiik <mike@highlite.uucp> writes:
>> Leigh Nystrom <ln0c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>Does anyone out there have a copy of the first issue of Mondo 2000?
>> The first Mondo 2000 is issue number 7. The next was number 2.
>> It's wierd but true, and related to changing numbering schemes
>> for High Frontiers, Reality Hackers, and M2K.

>Odd numbering scheme. What's the 7th issue called (time for another
>name change)? The only issue I've seen is _RH_ #6 (winter 1988), which
>I found at a convenience store! Back issues of _RH_ were available from
>High Frontiers. The inside back cover advertized the forthcoming 
>"Cyberpunk issue." I looked for quite a while and never found another
>issue of _Reality Hackers_, ANYWHERE.  This must have been the first 
>issue of Mondo 2k?

That's correct. Note that RH's first 2 issues were newletters, and
that High Frontiers #4 was not only #4 in the HF sequence, but also
#4 in the RH sequence as the next RH was number 5. HF and RH each
had 3 independently numbered issues (1-3) with HF 4 combining the
two and Mondo 7 (1st issue) settling the HF/RH issue once and for
all. Confoozed?

	-Mike

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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Most Memorable (read Violent) Cyberpunk Movie Scenes.
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:08:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Jul27.051503.2563@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>1) Roy Batty squeezing his thumbs into Elden Tyrell's eye sockets, and
>the blood squirting out. (Preparation for Squicking???)

Also from Blade Runner - Darryl Hannah's character getting shot through the
chest. One of the most horrific gunshot effects I've seen (except for some of
the stuff from Taxi Driver).

>4) To be continued...

From Hardware - The building superindendant getting chopped in half by the
berserk apartment doors
                The entire death sequence of the peeping tom; I especially
liked the drill (which was later ripped off for the piece of drek film "Steel
and Lace" or something like that.)

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From: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (M Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:28:37 GMT
Reply-To: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

Brian P Shea writes
> 
> In article <geRJlYW00VojI1HEs4@andrew.cmu.edu>, Curtis A Beesun  
<cbee+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> |> --------------------------------------------------------
> |> Curt's Law:
> |> 	Just by definition, half of the population is of 
> |> 	below average intelligence.                =;^('
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> In the spirit of Curt's Law, 
> 	Just imagine how stupid the average American is.
> 	Now imagine that half the people are stupider than that.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

Consider all those average Americans and what they do all day.
Now watch all those average Americans comfortable with their existance and  
relying on others to do their thinking for them.  Television executives and  
movie producers as well as generals and sports celebrities make conformism.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good)
Subject: Information needed
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:06:20 GMT


Where is the star trek newsgroup?????

I've searched around this news thing for hours, and can't find it.

Anybody have any info on this 'splitup' of the Next Generation???

--

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+-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots...

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: cckrasic@plg.waterloo.edu (Charlie Krasic (Buck))
Subject: Re: c_punk movies
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<1992Jul22.173327.27467@honte.uleth.ca>
	<22JUL199220465906@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:21:20 GMT


Have many people here seen "Until the End of the World"?  It had William Hurt,
Sam Neill and a bunch of others.  _Excellent_ movie--great acting, great plot,
some excellent graphics, and an awsome soundtrack.  In fact, I think it
deserves to replace Bladerunner as holding the designation of `the cyberpunk
movie'.   If not, it at least deserves mention in the CP FAQ...

Charlie Krasic                 \Programming Language Group
                                \Dept. of Computer Science
email: cckrasic@plg.waterloo.edu \  University of Waterloo
Phone: (519) 888-4822             \ Waterloo, Ont. N2L 3G1

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From: blewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Benn L. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:08:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <28JUL199220384144@romeo.caltech.edu> joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis) writes:
>>DESPARATELY to be non-conformist that they look and act just like all of
>>the others. . . Isn't that self-defeating?
>>	I suppose that this is all in response to an article I saw quite some
>>time ago about 'exactly what a cyberpunk person is like.'  The 'fight
>>the standard' attitude seems to be the primary trademark.  Therefore,
>>isn't 'adhering to CP culture' an oxy-moron?

	right!  it's like conforming to non-conformity...or
not conforming to non-conformity...or not non-conforming not
to non-conformity...or conformingn't to non't-conformist non-conformity.

	or maybe its visa-versa.  or visa-versan't

	i hope you're happy now that my brain is caught
in a neural-net loop.  or not not caught in a non-loopn't.


BENN




Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: Most Memorable (read Violent) Cyberpunk Movie Scenes.
Organization: Industrial Cybernetics
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:15:03 GMT


1) Roy Batty squeezing his thumbs into Elden Tyrell's eye sockets, and
the blood squirting out. (Preparation for Squicking???)

2) Aliens: Colonist convulsing as alien tears out of her chest.
	(Cesaerean section the hard way).

3) T2: Sarah Connor's flesh on fire blasted away leaving screaming skeleton 

4) To be continued...

/* Ice's Hypermedia Sig */ #include <cyberpunk.h> #include <industrial.h> 
Hardware required: biological neural net with _unsupervised_learning_
Audio() Burning Inside by Ministry; "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" 
Visual() Sarah Connor's flesh on fire blasted away leaving screaming skeleton
From: Loring Wirbel <lwirbel@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:48 PDT
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #1
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul23.030223.23968@highlite.:93476896:cdp:1300100007:000:285
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lwirbel    Jul 25 13:48:00 1992


The chronology goes RH #6 with Sun Ra on the cover and a Winter 1988
date; M2K #7 with Todd Rundgren on the cover and a Fall 1989 date;
M2K #2 with floating face on the cover and a Summer 1990 date.  It must
be done to deliberately give librarians/chroniclers headaches.
Loring Wirbel

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: ADMIN:  attn. Liralen
Reply-To: li@polari.online.com
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:18:07 GMT

Hmmm... looks like the maps for the machines at Data I/O have been in flux,
recently.  Hopefully, there should be a settling of mail routes to get to
here; however, I'm not exactly sure when that is going to be.  My Polari
account is fairly stable, now, though, so if folks have mail they *really*
need to send to me, mail to li@polari.online.com; and it should get to me
fairly quietly and quickly and without the wild bounces.  

Good luck,  :)

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aka Liralen Li    |  li@polari.online.com
From: Shadowmar@cup.portal.com (Paul Joseph Furio)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Digital Storm's Future and past.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:17:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Greetings!  I'm Paul J. Furio and a few months ago I began posting a 
story called Digital Storm.  Many of you liked it and encouraged it's
continued posting.  Many wrote mail to me asking to be placed on a mailing
list (which I really can't do properly, but I may be able to fudge it.)

	I posted chapters through 13 (I think) and then stopped when finals
began.  I've since started back up again (I admit, it was difficult) and
have been making plans for the future.  
	I am 18, and this fall I'll be going to Rensellaer Polytechnic
Institute, a very EXPENSIVE school.  Since I'm not rich and money is 
tight, I have had to look for sources of income.  Well, this isn't 
very cyberpunkish at all (except for the greedy college) but what I'm 
getting at is the positive feedback I recieved on Storm has convinced me
it's time to consider putting it up for publishing once it's done.  This
unfortuantely means that I can no longer post chapters as they are then
effectively "Public Domain" and that is no good to me.  I will have to
rewrite the first few chapters, but I should be okay.
	Why am I writing this?  Well, first of all to thank every one
of you who read and enjoyed Digital Storm.  You really encouraged me and
pushed me ahead.  But second, I really HATE to deprive you of DS if you 
really want it and can't wait a year or a few months to see it it gets
published.  Thus, being the kind soul I am, I will send update chapters
VIA E-MAIL ONLY if you send me a message telling me you want to be added
to this "mailing list".  As far as I understand, This is not PD, so I
will be safe for publish rights.  The final output will be rewritten at
least once anyway, so even if you read it the first time through, it will
change when it's published (If it gets published, Lets all pray.)
	So again, thanks.  I'll keep on writing and hopefully I'll keep
a lot of you happy!
	Paul J. Furio
	Shadowmar@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: jlw@world.std.com (James L Walker)
Subject: Re: Digital Storm's Future and past.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:15:37 GMT

Yes!  Please add me to the DS mailing list.

-- Les Walker
-- jlw@world.std.com
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor)
Subject: ADMIN: reaching the unreachable Liralen Li...
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:07:03 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Jul22.133613.1652@thinkage.on.ca> akilgour@thinkage.on.ca writes:

> In article <1992Jul21.171807.15956@data-io.com> li@polari.online.com writes:
> >My Polari
> >account is fairly stable, now, though, so if folks have mail they *really*
> >need to send to me, mail to li@polari.online.com; and it should get to me
> >fairly quietly and quickly and without the wild bounces.  
> 
> Sorry, milady.  I've tried to contact you via polari and gotten nothing but
> bounces.  I'm starting to feel like the proverbial rubber ball....

Guess you never knew you were this popular, eh Phyllis?

You can use the following address the reach the terminally unreachble
Liralen - I've been using it with wonderful results for several days:

	inigo.Data-IO.COM!li@uhura.neoucom.EDU


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