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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 05:01:40 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.011420.3901@quantime.co.uk>
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>I've just discovered that
>after seeing the term GOP all over the place for months
>nobody I know here seems to know what it means.

Grand Old Party.  How it came to be known as that I have no idea.
It is old, but not my idea of grand.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:21:58 GMT

> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>> aberson@enh.nist.gov () says:

>>One tidbit caught my eye in the description of the abstinence-based
>>approach, along with  no abortion, no homosexuality, no sex before
>>marriage, etc.   In sexual-education, the clitoris does not exist.
>>It cannot be shown, and it cannot be mentioned.
>>
>>Amazing.
>
>Not at all!!
>
>EVERYBODY knows that WOMEN aren't ment to enjoy sex...they are cursed, and
>what pleasure women get from sex is only from the pleasure she knows she
>is given her man!!

Proponents of this kind of sex-disinformation would be
appalled at the article in yesterday's San Francisco Sunday
Examiner-Chronicle all about this city's lesbian sex clubs,
at which all kinds of women give and receive pleasure and
pain, entirely without the involvement of male pleasure, or
even intervention :-)
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From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Richard Johnson is like
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:14:37 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA

brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller) writes:

>michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
[ben doesn't look french or longhaired; rj's preference]

>>neither does the aforementioned BZ (the initials, nt the abbreviation).

>No fair!  Picking on the folicularly-challenged among us...  And as for
>I being French, well, I'm no more French than your friend Betsy is Greek.

mais, out!  so you *are* french, are you?  betsy *is*, i assure you,
very much authentic greek, albeit out of practice...  you need a
demonstration?  i could ask her; she is very eager to please...

and as to follicular challenges, you know that there is nothing better
than those that are follicularly challenged in some way or other...

--mike
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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: MOTSS pix
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 04:26:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.080424.12069@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>Now, now, Gerry, you saw enough of me at Rooster Rock to judge whether
>that was a complete falsehood or not!
>I only wish I could say the same
>about you--you were too modest. :-)

    <grin>  Well I wasn't concealing much. :-)  
    
    A) I was worried about my camera constantly hitting me in my 
       masculinity.
    B) It was cold.
    C) I didn't have anything to show off.
    D) I'm shy.
    E) I was afraid John Dorrence would point at me and laugh.
    F) All of the above.

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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:58:30 GMT

In article <BxA8Mp.3qB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:
>  Do keep in mind that a Republican administration won the
>Civil war.

Yeah, but they considered abolitionists to be radicals 
and tried to get them out of the party.  The Republican
president suspended civil rights in Maryland in 1861,
declaring martial law although a state of war did not
exist, suspending habeas corpus, and arresting members of
the Maryland legislature on their way to a meeting.  The
Republican Party has never been a friend to civil
liberties.
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           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Scott Masden
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:08:22 GMT


In article <1dtq1gINNjej@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:

>>Scott says hi to all his fans, by the way.

>Do I take this to mean you know him?

Probably, but I suppose you might take it otherwise.

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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Moonshine, the election, and you
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:38:20 GMT

Matthew Melmon (mattm@apple.com) wrote:
> 
         [reflexively]
> (for whom even the thought of Boxer remaining in Washington does 
> not dim the exuberant glee with which I look upon term restrictions, 
> passed so handily throughout the nation)
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Damn, nothin' worse than havin' some damn bleedin heart woman senator
who supports them god damn homosecksuals and their damn 'ffirmive 
action quotas.  God damn it!  Damn!

Mickey-Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Colorado Letter
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:34:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Nov9.162902.11033@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk
(Roger Phillips) wrote:

> brackets, as above, for the good reason that a parenthesis
> it was without any importance in Orlando's life.

> 	-- Virginia Woolf, _Orlando_.

Is it supposed to go like that?  There seems to be a break
in the tracking of the sentence - though with Virginia,
one never can tell (kind of like the English, whot?).

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: What's going on in CO, any definite news?
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:40:48 GMT

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>> 	We won in Oregon - 34 out of 36 counties!  

>  Do you know which counties went to the dark side?

	Klammath, of course (hatching place of the OCA)
and not Lane but the other L one that is near it...
Linn?

	Actually I think I spoke too soon - someone might correct
me onthe final votes...  I think we did less than 34 counties
in the end result...

BBC
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:25:29 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney):
> Allow me to introduce myself.  Though I'm not motss, I am willing to keep
> my mind open.

you ought to take better care of it because i
think the air has damaged it.

> I know that, were I not the
> rational being (:-) that I am, I would be somewhat frightened by a
> full-barrel attack on my state just because "a bunch of faggots" (not my
> opinion, repeat, NOT MY OPINION) were a little displeased by the results
> of a referendum.

does the word "DUH" mean anything to you?  but i
guess if this society was actually conditioned to be
homophobic by the fear of God, then it's precisely the
fear of queers which will guarantee gay civil rights.
be afraid!  be *very* afraid!  we're everywhere
around you, and we're waiting for you to drop the soap!

also, do you really think that your self-proclaimed
open-mindedness allows you to use the phrase "a bunch
of faggots"?  it's sexist and homophobic, and i would
think that an "open-minded" person would have more
intelligence than to use sexism and homophobia when
talking to gay men and lesbians.

displeased?  we've been legalized as second-class
citizens, and we're "a little displeased?"  your brand
of hypocracy was just voted out of office.

> Education is better (though it won't solve the problem of religiously
> motivated gay bashers).

or the problem of idiots like yourself.
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: more faces for the soc.motss photo archive
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:20:31 GMT

These can all be found in /pub/motss.pix via anonymous FTP to
ursa-major.spdcc.com:

a/andy_shore.JPEG		Andy Shore of Adobe at SF Pride
a/andy_shore.and.ron_jenks.JPEG	...with Ron Jenks, Paul Asente's husbear
a/andy_shore_2.gif		...USENIX facesaver
b/bob_strong1.gif		Mystery man (a Brit?)
b/bob_strong2.gif
b/bob_strong3.gif
b/brown_behr2.JPEG		Chris Smith of Rockford/Chicago Il.
d/dave_beals.JPEG		Dave Beals, "Bealzebub" on IRC
d/doug_mackensie_2.jpg		doug@spdcc.com
f/fj-3.JPEG			Owen Rowley's photo of FJ! (in living colour)
j/jim_graham.and.rob_bernardo.JPEG
				A snapshot taken at one of Rob's parties
j/jim_graham.feeds.paul_asente.JPEG
				You figure it out
p/paul_asente.feeds.jim_graham.JPEG
				See j/jim_graham.feeds.paul_asente.JPEG
j/john_dorrance_uncensored.gif	Now it can be shown
j/john_flanagan.JPEG		johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu
j/john_flanagan2.JPEG
j/john_flanagan3.JPEG
m/manuel_negron_vega.gif	"Cuteboy" on IRC (hey, I don't name 'em)
m/mick_washbrook2.JPEG		Mick in a pensive mood
o/owen_rowley2.JPEG		owen@autodesk.com
o/owen_rowley3.JPEG
m/mickw.and.martin.teatime.JPEG	(At least I THINK this is Martin Prime.
r/r_phillips.and.m_prime.JPEG	Ditto for these two.  Can someone verify these?
r/roger_phillips2.JPEG		These are the infamous "Owen" photos I lost.)
r/rob_bernardo.and.roger_klorese.JPEG
r/rob_bernardo2.JPEG		Several additional photos of Rob
r/rob_bernardo3.JPEG
s/steve_arrants.and.glen_morris.and.dhp.JPEG
d/dhp.and.steve_arrants.JPEG	Steve Arrants (stephena@netcom.com), his lover
				Glen, and Dave Perkins (dhp_bear@spdcc.com)
				during Folsom St. Fair weekend.

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Xref: sparky soc.motss:46703 talk.politics.misc:59084 ca.politics:9452
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:47:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <13085@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>The 3.3% figure for male homosexuals and bisexuals used by Masters, 
>Johnson, & Kolodny looks more and more plausible.

Try this on for size---a French survey which betrayed underreporting:

While only 4% of a sample of over 10,000 French men admitted to engaging
in gay sex at least once, a whopping 30% (NOT KIDDING!) identified passive
anal intercourse as a sexual activity in which they had participated.
The corresponding figures for the women were 2% and 20%, so not all of
this passive anal intercourse was women fingering men's anuses. There are,
conservatively, 10% of men who remain "unaccounted".

Conclusion: people LIE big time about homosexuality.
From: ultimate@tron.gun.de (Frank Stender)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: It stinks!
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:55:00 +0100

On 02.11.92 MARKC%EOMER.HW.STRATUS.COM@USENET.ZER wrote:

-> Hmmmmm!  I hope you do leave the country.  Maybe you can go to Germany
-> where racism is rampant.

Wonderful! Typical american narrow-minded thinking - I'm glad you know so
much about Germany and the problems we have. Have you ever thought about
running for the Secreatry of State? It's people like you that made your
country big. (Warning - Sarcasm!)

Note to the others: I have absolutely nothing against foreigners, but if
Mark can generalize then I can too.

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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (God)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco
Keywords: hate activism politics election christian

In article <4450@wet.UUCP> charlie@wet.UUCP (Charlie GALVIN) writes:
>I don't read the newsgroups very often, so pardon me if this is
>duplicative.  But it's important for every person concerned about
>civil rights to consider boycotting Colorado in the wake of the
>passage of Amendment 2, which changed the state Constitution to
>prohibit "sexual orientation" from being included in state or local
>anti-discrimination laws.  It is now explicitly legal to discriminate
>on the basis of sexual orientation in Colorado.
>
>Please do not travel to or through Colorado, nor purchase any product
>or service from a company which has a major office there.  This means:

What makes you think that this will work?
My two lesbian friends who run a resturant in Boulder like tourists,
who give them the $$ to make a living.  If a boycott would
work, they'd love to support it, but all they see happening
out of a boycott is that they will lose their business because 
their neighbours are jerks.  

Will a boycott work?

When I hear from somebody who lives in Colorado who thinks it
will I'll take this more seriously.  Otherwise it is just
indignant out-of-staters pissing and moaning about intolerance
in Colorado, and the bigots who live there, who, from an
out of town perspective forget the Gaypeople who *live* and
*work* in Colorado.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:41:27 GMT


In article <69410@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A
Frank Swilling) writes:

>Brian Kane uncovers the secrets lives of straight boys:

>>The fact remains that 30% of the men reported being passive
>>in anal intercourse at least once, but only 4% of the men
>>reported engaging in gay sex at least once.

>>Doesn't this strike anyone as just a wee bit strange?

>It's not so strange when you realize those boys answering
>the survey didn't consider fisting to be "gay" sex.

Is it, really?  Is fisting gay sex?

In fact, what *is* gay sex?  What sex act makes a person
gay?  Surely not fisting, since straight people do that too.
Surely not oral sex, since straight people do that.  Surely
not anal sex, since straight people do that.  Surely not
kink, since straight people do that too.  Etc.

If we say sex between two people of the same gender is gay
sex, we've skipped over a lot of gender questions and we've
skipped over bisexuals pretty noticeably too, haven't we?
We've also skipped the people who identify themselves as gay
(or bisexual or even straight) who don't have *any* sex,
including people who've *never* had sex.

It's all rather difficult to categorize, I think.  It's easy
(and practical) for me to assert that *for me*, whatever sex
I do is gay sex, because I'm a gay person.  But as I've
maintained several times -- over the incredulous objections
of some -- the men with whom I've had sex might not be even
a little bit gay; they could be a straight as straight can
be.  Or, they could be neither gay nor straight.

The solution, if such it be, seems to me to simply avoid
making any such categories at all, since they don't really
exist *apart* from the dominant society's sexual hangups.
Or do they?

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:46:50 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Nov12.163612.6127@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
> You guys cease to amaze me ...

  You mean, we're not amuzing you any more? <Pout>
 
> No one here knows a fucking thing about what Marky Mark thinks  
> of GLB issues.  We're just content looking at his ripped  
> stomach.  

  Yes.

> Give me a fucking break.  Now if it is found out that  
> he has made derogatory comments about Gays in his "songs" (term  
> used sparingly), you all will look about as idiotic as a Gay  
> person at the last hallowed Republican Convention ...

  But a good body transcends little trivialities like political
affiliation and other non-essentials like that. How else do
you think republicans and democrats intermarry? Shirley you
don't think its intellecutal armistice do you?
 
> Why do Gay men make it a point to focus on so many superficial  
> material things?  

  Because men are pigs. Sex crazed pigs, that is.

> I would probably fit into the Gay community better as a lesbian.

  Stick to the program son, and you'll see the troff too.
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From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: Gay Wealth (was: My Letter to Colorado)
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
	<1992Nov6.020902.2967@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:45:02 GMT

Me! Me! Me! I'm gay and I'm not well paid! I don't have huge amounts of 
"disposible income." I eek out a living that pays the rent and the utilities
and the food and maybe the occasional movie rental. Once a year or so I 
splurge on tickets to a musical, and I buy used electronics items (videodisk
players, etc) when I can get them for virtually no cost, to keep me amused. 
HALF OF MY INCOME pays the rent, and half of what's left is food. The rest is
expenses, and any leftover really should go in the bank, although it usually
doesn't.

It PISSES ME OFF when I see people talking about how rich gay people are.
If it's true, GIVE ME MY CHUNK OF THE PIE! 

Somebody hire me on a decent salary, PLEASE!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:58:51 PST

In article <1992Oct29.202518.1072@macc.wisc.edu>, on 29 Oct 92 20:25:18 GMT,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>
>
>In article <19921028232740ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
>ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B.  Newsbaum) writes:
>
>>Instead of sitting around moping how awful it is that the
>>government doesn't do this and that to stop the homophobes,
>>some of us actually know how to get results by educating
>>people to treat us fairly.
>
>Hey, Uncle Tom, er, Jack!  Play poker?  Drink beer?  Hate
>fairies?  Hate women?  Wanna meet Bob Sarver?  Clayton
>Cramer?  We can set you up!
>
1. Bridge is my game; not poker.

2. I drank beer in college; but I never swallowed.

3. I don't know enough about Sarver to decide whether I would want to
meet him. What I do know is that he has been unjustly accused of being
homophobic merely because he made the observation that the media focuses
on a certain segment of the GLB community not viewed in great esteem by
the public at large when the media cover gay pride parades (This is an
observation which has been made, incidentally, by a number of GLB
activist groups as well), and that he personally is not attracted to
individuals who exhibit those characteristics.

However, I'd be delighted to meet another one of your betes noires,
Matthew Melmon. He has a delicious sense of humor and he runs rings
around you in your exchange of articles with him.

4. I doubt that i would want to meet Clayton; however, I have exchanged
articles with him on past occasions.

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From: wanek@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wanek)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:55:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Colorado Cesspool
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss

In soc.motss, cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:

> >defeat Prop 2.  I don't think I'll be visiting Colorado any time soon.
> 
> withdrawing from their fund.  I have further written to the Aspen Music 
> Festival explaining why I shall not be attending this year nor 
> contributing to their fund.  Further, the purchase of some electronic 
> equipment from Hewlett-Packard will be cancelled.  Their sales 
> representative will be certainly told the reason.  I've always 

I would like to point out that HP includes sexual orientation in it's 
non-discrimination policy, which is not affected by Amendment 2.
So buy HP.


> preferred the Tetons anyway.
> 
> Colburn Eigen                                H|u> = E|u>

john

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: New Republic editor openly gay
Keywords: New Republic, mainstream press, magazines
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:09:31 GMT

> rrizzo@BBN.COM (Ron Rizzo) writes:

>I just heard on NPR that the magazine The New Republic now has an openly gay
>editor, Andrew Sullivan!
>
>Has anyone heard more about this?

Where have you *been*, Ron?  He's been there for at least a
year.  He's young (twentysomething?), British, catholic and
opposes "outing."
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