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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: How to insult a Brit (reprise)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:28:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
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In article <1992Nov6.154335.1717@ttinews.tti.com>, jackson@soldev.tti.com writes:
> Jon Livesey writes:
> >
> >My own objection to the word "Brit" is that it seems to be
> >an American invention.   There's really nothing wrong with
> >"Briton" and "The British".
> 
> About two or four years ago a tabloid newspaper for ex-pats was
> started up (in the Los Angeles area and perhaps elsewhere) under
> the name "True Brit".

Nice one.   I like that.    I guess it's a pun on "True Grit"?

jon.
From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Dustman (was Re: Lyrics etc.)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:35:48 GMT
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.

In article <Bx8Mq9.6H7@newcastle.ac.uk> Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby) writes:

>My old mans a dustman,
>he wears a dustmans hat, 
>he wears gor blimey trousers
>and he lives in a council flat

"'E looks a proper 'nana..."

My question -- whence "'nana"?  Presumably a contraction of banana,
but why?  I've known the word for ever, but only just fallen to wondering
about its deriviation.  Any guesses?

-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
   ajw@aus.hf.intel.com       ...uunet!intelhf!aus!ajw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:20:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.172623.21884@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
>I don't believe this. In my book, any church whose hierarchs are
>Lords, and which recieves state money is the state church. 

The CofE does not recieve state money for being the establised church. Yet
it does charge fees for things like coronations and royal weddings and the 
like. The CofE may receive money from local goverment in the form of a
grant to maintain a building, but these grants are availiable to any other
church/regligion.
Anyway what do you call a country which HAS a House of Lords for 
starters let alone has bishops as automatic members of this house.

>BTY, I miss the analogy between American slaves and religious
>dissentors. To be a Roman Catholic or a Unitarian was a capital crime
>in GB until one of the Toleration Acts (rightly dated) in 1803 (?)

I don't entirely except the analogy between slaves and religious freedoms
except that both are invasions of someones personal freedom. Since the
time of Cromwell you could not be executed for not being a Christian. It
was far better to torture people to change their beliefs than to kill them.
Even so it has been legal to be a RC since about the time of the American
Rebellion. It had somthing to do with the Irish soliders. So I would
reckon that your date is wrong, as 1784 would be the lattest date possible.
-- 
Dave                                                       cmh004@cck.cov.ac.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call this place what you like - Coventry University, Coventry Polytechnic or
Lanchester Polytechnic it is all the same and is called school.
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:18:50 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <BxGKCE.29v.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.095753.12917@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>   Linguists have suggested that "fuck" comes from a root word
>   meaning "strike" while "shit" comes from a root word meaning
>   "split" (don't know about "fart" though). Both were originally
>   euphemistic.
>
>Boggle. Still, I stand by my assertion that it's not euphemistic now.
>I also think `having sex' is sufficiently non-euphemistic for this
>point (the DSS don't much care what sort of sex you have).
>
>On the other hand, I think that the DSS _do_ count sharing a bed, for
>whatever reason (shared bodily warmth?), as `living together as man
>and wife', while I guess they wouldn't care (or, more importantly,
>know) if you were bonking away in the park (or wherever) so maybe
>`sleeping together' is closest after all.
>
>Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu

I thought that "living together as man and wife" meant exactly
that - sharing a bed, but not having sex. Was I wrong?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mister rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: maastricht vs sovereignty
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:16:30 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:16:41 GMT

so here i am, the typical thick american, trying to figure out just exactly
what sovereignty the UK would give up by signing the treaty.

(i know i'll get flamed for acknowleding ignorance. if you want more fuel, i
live in Texas.)
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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Not really Re: An astonishing Guy
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:15:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov9.210659.23126@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>: >
>: >Very few Americnas know that chunks of their own Bill of Rights
>: >is inspired by, and in some cases quoted from, the English Bill.
>: >
>: >Notable exceptions are the gun nuts, who know that it refers to
>: >a right to bear arms, but who quote it incorrectly, since they 
>: >miss out the bit about "subject to law".
>: >
>: 
>: Bollocks - most 'Americnas' know that.  You are correct about
>: the gun nuts, however.  They also miss out the bit about
>: the right to bear arms being contingent on their being part of
>: a well-regulated militia.  
>
>And, you -just like many people - assume that the use of the terms
>are the same today as they were when the Bill of Rights was drafted.
>If you read the contemporary literature, you will find that the
>militia is composed of all able bodied male citizens of a certain
>age range. The literature also points out that the militia is not
>controlled by the government. More to the point, the necessity of
>the militia is to protect the citizens from a tyranical government.
>Whether that could be done these days, given the technology available
>to the military, is another argument.
>
>If you want more information - try groups like talk.politics.guns.
>

There are a lot of groups that I *don't* read, and the talk.*
hierarchy is in that list. I don't (usually) talk to the TV or
shout at the moon or bang my head against the wall either.

So let's just sum it up by saying: No, I am not that worried about our 
"right to bear arms".  Rather the opposite.

You can write back on this topic, but I will have my fingers in
my ears and whistle loudly. :-)
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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:55:20 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Nov10.102034.12958@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
>>Which leads us too arguably the longest word in the english language.
>>
>>Antidisestablishmentarialism.
>                         ^
>
>Although part of the aim of encouraging this thread is to see
>who can get to use this word first, it has to be a legitimate use,
>not a self-referential one. Anyway, the "l" should be "n". So,
>no you haven't won.
>
>Matthew Huntbach

If the disestablishmentarian controversy ever picks up again we could get

        neoantidisestablishmentarianism.

If it went underground it would be 

        cryptoneoantidisestablishmentarianism.

g.p.
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Ghostwatch and intelligence
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:54:24 GMT

In article <6250101@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
>Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>>       I'll bet you're probably wrong. Then again, given ...
>>the fact that certain quarters
>>of the collective British intellect have fallen so low that some people
>>were stupid enough to be taken in by Ghostwatch last Saturday night and
>>subsequently phoned the Beeb to complain about it, maybe you're right.
>
>You're kidding?  Despite the fact that the programme was billed in the Radio
>Times as a play, and the acting was so bad?  How many people complained, and
>what did they complain about?
>
	Are we playing insult-a-national-group again?  Can I play?
	Goody!

	For the 4th July celebrations in West Berlin in 1987 a pair of
	DJs at AFN (American Forces Network) and BFBS (British Forces
	Broadcasting Service) decided to swap places.  To draw attention
	to the ploy, they came up with a spoof ad for a game show called
	"You catch it, you keep it".  The premise of this is that objects
	of value (jewellery, furniture, household appliances) would be
	thrown from the roof of the Truman Plaza PX (NAAFI equivalent)
	for competitors to catch.  The finalists would be given the
	chance to catch a Ford Edsel.  Indeed, AFN received a number of
	calls from people wishing to compete.  Every grouping has its
	crop that perform below specifications.  They are not typical
	of the group as a whole.  If they were, such stories would never
	be reported.

	Alec.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:08:37 GMT

In article <lfqsm6INNa86@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:

>Well, has there ever been a Catholic prime minister of Britain?

Good grief, who knows?  I can probably name every PM in the last century,
but, other than by mere accident, have no idea what religion or subset
thereof was practiced by any of them.

For that matter, who cares?  Such a question is significant only in a
country where religion and politics are far more entangled than they
ought to be.

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:26:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
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In article <1992Nov12.080655.10086@osf.org>, sp@osf.org writes:
> In article <1ds8jrINNg1j@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> > 
> > In article <1992Nov11.095728.14409@osf.org>, sp@osf.org writes:
> > > In article <1dpgscINN633@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: 
> > > > In article <1992Nov10.100309.16253@osf.org>, sp@osf.org writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Would you like to explain what that is, because I can't even think of a
> > > > > feeble excuse, let alone a good argument.
> > > > 
> > > > Because people want it?
> > > 
> > > That might be a good argument if there was a scrap of evidence that it
> > > were true.
> > 
> > And there is.   Me for one.
> 
> I think you will find that you are 'person' and not 'people'. The fact
> that I don't want it means that we know from a recent survey that there is
> not any evidence that people want this.

I see, so a person speaking for himself does not count as
even "a scrap of evidence"

Care to quote what "we" know about what "people" want from
"a recent survey"?

Remember that your claim is that there is not "a scrap of
evidence", that there should be "_some_ relgious representation"
so you've set a pretty high standard for yourself.

Not "a scrap of evidence" for even "some" representation.   Phew.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics thereof
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:06:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.141455.16960@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Craig Cockburn (cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com) wrote:
>> 
>> I read somewhere (sorry, can't remember the reference) that the English
>> language changes more between Edinburgh and Newcastle than it does between
>> any other two points a similar distance apart anywhere else in the world.
>>
>Take any direction away from Newcastle (sorry, Nyercassel) and the language
>will change by an astounding amount in a surprisingly short distance.  It
>just happens to be the home of one of the more extreme dialects of English.
>Also, the distance to Edinburgh is about the same as to Leeds.  You could
>hardly call them neighbouring cities. 
>

Craig's point is still well-taken.  He didn't claim that Edinburgh
and Newcastle were neighboring cities, and in fact isn't all that
long a drive from Newcastle to Leeds (yes, I've done it).  
My SO is from Aysgarth, and did 6th form in Darlington and then
went on to Newcastle Poly.  He says that his accent stood out
in Co. Durham nearly as much as it did in Newcastle.  Darlington
is only about 30 miles from his home town.  Due to the lay of the
landscape it takes about an hour to drive there, or 3 hours by bus!


sue

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: The dog in the House of Commons
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:50:37 GMT

 (jac54@cas.org) wrote:
> In article <Bx96Ft.73I@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov5.110011.13742@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> dc@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Douglas Chester) writes:
> >>It belongs to David Blunkett, Labour's shadow health spokesman, who is
> >>blind (ergo it is a GUIDE dog).
> 
> 	Translation for the U.S.; guide dog=seeing-eye dog
> 
> >>
> >>It is probably the best behaved creature in the Commons!
> >
> >
> >It's called "Offa"
> 
> 	I was going to make a comment about Offa's great engineering
> 	achievement, but I won't.
> 
> 	Alec.

Which doesn't stop me from observing that any progeny would have to be
called Offa's Tyke....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Dustman (was Re: Lyrics etc.)
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:05:48 GMT

Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC (chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org) wrote:
> ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock) writes:
> > "'E looks a proper 'nana..."
> > 
> Totally unrelated, but seeing the word always brings to mind the old Benny 
> Hill skit, where he is a teacher, and the best response to his request to
> name three fruits that begin with the letter N was:-
> 
> 	A napple
> 	A norange
> 	and a nana...
>
Well, one out of three ain't bad..... 

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From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dog in House of Parliament
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew Lodge)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

In article <1992Nov6.102130.2990@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero)
>>  Is it true that the Liberal Democrats have finally decided to follow David
>>Owen and join the Tory party, or do they just act that way?
>
>The motion asked for support of the Maastricht treaty. All the
>Liberal Democrat MPs, with the exception of Nick Harvey support
>the Maastricht treaty, so all, with the exception of Nick
>Harvey voted for it. What's wrong with this?

What's wrong is that by the time the bill came to the vote, it was less a
vote on Maastricht and more a vote of confidence in the Major government. We
came within three votes of a getting a general election. Thanks Paddy. (cue
cries of "But it'a a matter of principle", at which point I refer you to
last night's Spitting Image)

>Matthew Huntbach

Mat

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Salaries+cost of living in UK
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:26:41 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
|> A decent contract job in the UK should pay at least 1000 per week
						       ^
I just spotted this.  I'm using xrn and X11R5 with a full 8-bit font, and
I'm looking at a genuine sterling symbol.  This is in an article that has
survived 8 hops -- and I thought most sites still stripped the 8th bit.

For the record, it's octal 243.  Commiserations if *you* have lost the 8th
bit.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Congratulations to the Church of England
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:58:25 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Top Hoo!!  Full congratulations!!  The Church of England under Carey, I
believe IMHO, is taken to the charismatic hgigh road.  I fully concur with
the vote on woman priesthood.

NO knock intented against the Catholics.

Bibilical histroy:  IF ANYONE challenges woman's priesthood, Challenge them to
read the book of Esther, and Judges, namely the prophetess Deborah.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
From: ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dog in House of Parliament
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:38:17
Organization: What's your clearance, citizen?
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In-reply-to: barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at's message of 5 Nov 92 15:50:30 GMT


The guide dog in question belongs to David Blunkett, the Labour local
government shadow. I know I know its name, but I can't dredge it up at
the moment.

The dog usually behaves better than most Tory backbenchers; the only real
mishap happened during this years budget debate, when an overdose of 
lamont caused a brief bout of projectile vomiting...

Simon

p.s.
  Is it true that the Liberal Democrats have finally decided to follow David
Owen and join the Tory party, or do they just act that way?


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Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:15:26 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov8.201631.12054@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>In article <lfqrt4INNa64@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>>I would like to hear what the difference is between
>>the Anglican church, and the Church of England.  This is in
>>the context of the Monarch being the Supreme Head of Britain's 
>>official state religion.

As if he doesn't know!
 
>The Anglican communion comprises many different churches worldwide;
>one of these, the Church of England, is the established church in
>England (*not* Britain; the established church in Scotland is the
>Church of Scotland, and the Church in Wales was disestablished
>some time ago).

Which leads us too arguably the longest word in the english language.

Antidisestablishmentarialism.

The practical difference between the antidisestablishmentarialists and the
the establishmentarialists is pretty hard to fathom.

Isn't English a whacky language!

Unfortunately in this age of short attention spans this word has fallen into
disuse.  When did you last here someone say something like this.

"You are a racist, sexist, ageist, antidisestablishmentarialist pig and 
I never want to see you again"

ObMisquoteFromAComedyProgram: buzz click and beware the one they call 
Trelford Pinkerton for he is a vrillderlinden from the planet Arg and 
should not be trusted.

Derek "So many words, so little time" Tearne


-- 
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Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Struan Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:20:35 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

Paul Roberts quotes the Economist:
 
> ``     ... the Victorians gave the country gas mains and piped water,
> flush tiolets and sewerage treatment that works. They built the railways,
> the docklands and many things more. They created heavy industry, public
> education, modern emporia and most of today's financial and trading
> systems. They bequeathed some enduring traditions - the notion of free
> trade, the sense of fair play. All this and more the man and woman on
> the Clapham omnibus owe to their Victorian forebears. Certainly, hubris
> and humbug abounded. But along with the overweening pride wnet an 
> extraordinary sense of vision and duty. ''

  Yes.  But *apart* from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Struan
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