From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: newwer china
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:53:39 EST

In Article: <C055J8.E3s@acsu.buffalo.edu>
   Subject: Newwer China
      From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:


>In article <C03GM9.82G#uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>,
>bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes...
>>
>>     Remember, it's not a matter of money on the Chinese side. and $2B
>> is too little to consider for a nation with 10B people.

Excellent, would you kindly to spare a meager $2B for China's kids and
universities, so that the Chinese kids can go to school, and university
teachers will have no need to maintain a "second career" to feed their
families.

>>
>>     I can understand, in most situations, Chinese and French can not
>> understand each other, too much differences in these two groups of
>> people/culture....in WWII, Chinese fought 8 years bloody battle with
>> wooden sticks and knifes and rocks agains the invading modern Japanese
>> army, while the French surrendered to German in days.... just one
>> example.

The true reason why the CCP want to punish France but not Britain or
U.S. could be far more than lack of mutual understanding, you are
forgetting that France was the first western nation established diplomatic
exchange at ambassador level with the PRC.

One obvious reason is.. among those "old colonists" France has the
least power of retaliation.

Another possible but very likely reason is CCP's fear of "Democracy"
made them hold special grudge against France, for Frace's enthusiasm in
helping Chinese political dissidents after the TAM massacre, for France's
allowing the Federation for Democracy of China to set it's headquarter
in Paris.
In the early days right after the TAM massacre, the France consulate in
HongKong was the first western diplomat granted safe passage for escaped
Chinese dissidents. This is what the CCP is revenging today!

Look back on how much effort and political pressure that CCP had asserted
to kill the ship "Goddess of Democracy", we can relate how much the
CCP is afraid of democracy..  And that ship started her fateful journey
from France....

The most important reason and starkly obvious, of course, is CCP's
desire to subdue Taiwan by force, (not necessarily with a military
confrontation), once the CCP's air force has better capability than
Taiwan's air force, Taiwan will then no longer has any chips to negotiate
a China - Taiwan unity on *equal footing*.

It want to send a strong signals to other nations such as Holland, or
perhaps Germany,or Israel, who may be negotiating with Taiwan for some
weapon trading to improve Taiwan's self defence capability.

>    *** Another example is :Current French Leaders have to do anything
>     to please their voters ( like recognizing CCP as the only ruler of
>     China including Taiwan( which ,thank God, is far from the truth )
>     to get some potential trade opportunities for the country's economy
>     or selling Mirage 2000 to Taiwan ,also for the country's economy)
>     so as to keep themselves in office while Chinese Leaders in Mainland
>     can achieve the same personal goal by simply killing dissidents(like
>     6.4 event) and still get support from some people like you.
>     How different are "some Chinese people" and French People!!!


>>     I'm very sure, on the issur of HongKong and France, the Chinese
>> government  have the support of most, if not all Chinese.A

You may be seeing things... :-)  We did see one netter on the SCC showed
his support on this France issue, but his tone were so obviously with
the music of "forever great, correct, party's leadership."
we all know where is this guy coming from.  :-)

Let's have a look at the following report, how is the Chinese peasant
in today's China, showing their support to the CCP....

A not so recent true story (One year old):

in the prefecture of Hong2 An1, which used to be a strong base for
the old red army, the hometown of more than 20 some PLA's generals. One
day, the secretary of local CCP's branch and his car was driven into the
river by accident, the local peasants were arranging the rescue operation,
but after they learned the identity of the accident victim, they all gave
up the rescue effort , and simply walked away, saying "for the god damn
CCP, let the SOB drawn!".

We should know a fact, in just slightly over half century ago, the last
generation of these same peasants, who enthusiastically sent their
own sons and daughters to join the old red army, willing to sacrifice their
own "blood and flesh" for a better tomorrow for China, and today, they
refuse to save a CCP's cadre! What this tells you? Need I say more?  :-)

>> *** Without the freedom of speech and true election , How can you be so
>>    sure?  Even most Chinese People you run into support it , are you
>>    really sure they will support it after listening to the debate between
>>    pros and cons? I believe in the 60s most of the people in mainland
>>    China supported Cultural Revolution , don't they?

>     American have a treaty with Taiwan, and F-16 is out of date, but
> how about the French, it recognize the PRC as the only Government of
> China including Taiwan province, but it sells  most advanced weapons
> to one of it's province, what's more, the weapons' only target is
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the reat of the PRC.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    *** The target of any weapon owned by Taiwan is the "invading" forces
        from any country or bandits not the Chinese people.

So the CCP can spend $1B (the latest figure is approaching $2B) to buy
Russia's SU23 and Mig31's (?), in order to disable Taiwan's air
denfence, while Taiwan shall stay-put, like a defenseless lamb,
to be subdued back to the "motherland" of the wolf or be slaughtered?

>
>    Just think about it! Do you still thing the French is doing anything
> right? it's really a shame. what kind of people would do anything only
> for money? (I did see a lot of this kind of people in certral Paris,I
> was really surprised)

You can find this kind of people who would do anything only for money
in any nations, Chinese included. France does not hold a patent in
this respect.  :-)

Actually it cost France money to shield those Chinese dissidents,
this probably was one of the true reasons that the CCP is so eager
to punish France but not others.

The CCP itself is becoming the true shameless one who would do anything
for money!

Do you want evidence on how those CCP's cadres robbing today's China?


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