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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Re: For Jays fans only!
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:26:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.050653.24924@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <34860004@teecs.UUCP> ko@teecs.UUCP (Sam Ko) writes:
>>A 'WIN' is a win..................
>>How about '6' wins in a roll !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Yeah, those Yankees are looking pretty good, aren't they?
>
>Face it, the Blue Jays suck!  They got a little lucky there for a
>while, but tonight their true colors showed.  They got their little
>blue asses whipped by Greg "I'm all the Yankees have to show for
>Rickey" Cadaret!
>
>What a shock!  I can only imagine the shame of 50,000 fans as they
>watched Todd "Beanball" Stottlemyre blow yet another early-game lead.
>And their disgust as the "potent" Jays lineup produced a mere two runs
>in the game against one of the worst starters in baseball.
>
>I can only imagine this shame because the Blue Jays fans, in proper
>Canadian tradition, had all fled the stadium by the end of the
>seventh.  Only the losers and the misfits were privileged to watch
>Todd blow the game.
>
>The McJays have seen their last of first place for this season.  From
>now on they travel to the cellar in the company of the Tigers.

1 loss after 6 wins and look whay happens.  Now the Jays have taken
the last two from the Yankees and are 8-1, 1.5 games ahead of New York
and light years ahead of the Red Sox.  Get ready there Valentine...
the Jays are coming to Boston to toy with your boys a little.

Go Jays
>
>-Valentine
>-- 
>"Red Sox all the way in '92!"	tedward@cs.cornell.edu


-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS  8-1    Mop up the Yanks, bring on the Slop Sox.
 CANADIENS:  First Round  vs. Hartford Whalers... give us a real team!
From: wkamm@acpy01.att.com (William Kamm (CXNIXPT1))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Fantasy Baseball Stat Service
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:37:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)


For those of you still thinking about starting up your own Rotisserie/
Fantasy Baseball league, it's not too late.  Actually, you can start
any time during the season.  While you have the fun of watching your
team climb (or descend) in the standings, we will do the dirty work
for you.

All stats for your league will be kept up to date, and a variety of
reports will be mailed to you weekly.  If you have any questions, or
would like sample reports and a free copy of our 1992 Draft Day Kit,
call (908) 940-0707 or send me a message.  The business name is Major
League Stats, and it is located in New Jersey.

Bill Kamm

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From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bobby Valentine uses Al Newman to leadoff!
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:47:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.025638.14830@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary) writes:

>In a previous article, thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) says:
>>Hey, Al led the Twins in walks one year (yeah, I know, faint praise).
>>Walking is what he does best as a hitter.  The only problem is that he
>>hits so badly that a bushel of walks is capable of bringing him up to
>>a medium lousy OBP.

>Wow, a .471 OPS last year (.260/.211).  And Jerry Browne, age 26, .347/.350,
>was released by *Cleveland.*  Is his 2B defense that bad.  Is he Danny 
>Tartabull (Kirby Puckett's evil twin as per Bill James) in the clubhouse?
>Has anybody signed him?

I think Browne is still available.  He had a miserable year at the plate
last year, but that was mostly due to very sporadic play.  He got off to a
slow start, and was benched in favor of first Mark Lewis, and then Baerga.
He showed the 2 previous years that he could hit if given the chance to play
regularly.

The only knock on his defense that I've heard is that he doesn't turn the
double play very well.  He is supposed to be a nice guy and a good person
in the clubhouse.

Hargrove wanted to keep him, I think, and was trying him at third this
spring to try to let him win a spot on the team.  But, he was overruled
for economic reasons ($800 K salary for a backup infielder).

Baltimore, KC, Oakland, and California (and probably a couple others) are
all going with lesser players at second base right now.



Dave Elliott
From: SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clark, Thigpen, Palmeiro?
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:38:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 730

>John Miller, on ESPN's Sunday Night Baseball game mentioned that
>Palmeiro played with Clark in college (Mississippi State, I think).
>
>Did Bobby Thigpen play on that same team?
  Yep. And I believe Jeff Brantley of the Giants, although I could
be wrong about him.
>
>I remember a couple years ago someone mentioning on that college team,
>Will Clark batted third, Thigpen fourth, and Palmeiro fifth.
>
 
 
Clark and Palmeiro batted back to back, although I can't remember
in which order. They were referred to as "Thunder and Lightning".
Pretty good team that year ('85), played against them in the College
World Series.
 
 
 
Chuck Oertli
SAS INSTITUTE INC.
AUSTIN, TX                               SASCHO@MVS.SAS.COM
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!
Keywords: Weenies
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <smithx.703359463@sfu.ca> smithx@fraser.sfu.ca (David Smith) writes:
>It can be a little quiet during the season. But it is going to 
>be really noisy during the world series.
>
>David Smith

I don't know if the noise from Comiskey carries out all the way to
Toronto...
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball stats
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:28:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY

In article <1992Apr9.212818.1582@ccs.QueensU.CA> scott@rakoth.ic.cmc.ca writes:
>Are there any sites or services that provide current
>stats (ftp or equivalent)?  I noticed a 1-800 number
>in Baseball Weekly but I can't access it from Canada.

I thought someone was working on a FAQ posting.  Is this still in the works?
Who is doing this?  This is something that can be added to it.
-- 
scott barman			|            LET'S GO METS!
scott@asd.com			|            LET'S GO METS!
				|            LET'S GO METS!
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: jbrown@milton.u.washington.edu (Jeffery Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: request for information...
Keywords: Roto, of course
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:36:24 GMT
Organization: The Bag Lunches


Would net-landers better informed than I please e-mail me on the following
subjects:

1.  What's wrong with Glenn Davis and when's his likely return to action?

2.  What's the situation at catcher in Toronto -- is Myers' lack of playing
    time likely to last until Borders gets hurt (i.e., a long time)?  Hell,
    is Myers still on the club?

3.  Ditto, but for Oakland: is Steinbach hurt, and how long is Quirk going
    to be getting ABs?

4.  What is Cleveland using as closer/set-up men?

---
Jeff Brown         Big Enchilada of the Brown Bag Lunches
Astronomy Dept.    jbrown@u.washington.edu
U. of Washington   jbrown@phast.phys.washington.edu
From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:44:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr12.014408.6749
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

In article <1992Apr11.234752.671@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ( ) writes:
>In <204766@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>
>>An even worse example if Alfredo Griffin, who played 140 games at shortstop
>>in 1984 for a team that had Tony Fernandez.  Fernandez was only 21, but he
>
>Griffin played 6 years in TO, 3 in OAK and 4 in LA.  Toronto, a defending
>champion, just reacquired him.  These 3 organizations are 3 of the most
>successful in the game.  Are you implying that they don't know what they
>are doing?  No, I think the problem might be found in your one-dimensional
>analysis of a player's worth.

Um, if Alfredo is such a source of talent and leadership why haven't one of
these three teams held onto him? If a player is a key part of winning then
usually a good organization will try to keep them. 

>Alfredo Griffin is reported to be a really nice guy, a positive influence
>on the bench, in the clubhouse and on the field - if not at the plate.

Sadly, I could put together a team of 25 nice guys that would not win
more than 60 games. (Most would probably have played for the 1982 Twins.)
On the other hand, I could put together a team of 25 trouble makers, SOBs
and whiners that would scare the hell out of any other major league team.

(This suggests a new thread. The All Trouble-Maker Team.)

>Making him the butt of your little statistical jokes shows a complete
>lack of respect for a man who commands a lot more respect from his peers
>than Tony Fernandez.  Ask the players if he made a "measurable" contribution.

Do players actually say this? I've heard players say a lot of good things
about Fernandez over the years. I can't say the same about Griffin. Perhaps
the Dodger fans (Msr Dodger?) can fill me in on what I've missed.
-- 
 Lance "Gen Admin" Smith |"This royal stadium of kings, this cover'd field,
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)   | This turf of dynasty, this dugout of Kirby,
   The Cat That Walked   | This other Nicholet, major league paradise,
        By Himself       | This dome built by Minnesota for herself"   Kelly II
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mcgead@operators.its.rpi.edu (Darren S. Mcgeary)
Subject: Re: DUMB inexcusable play
Keywords: Dumb, stupid, unforgivable
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:59:33 GMT

In article <31431@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.180904.21079@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>, odp@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes:
>> 
>> 	Well, it's only Opening Day, and Vince Coleman has distinguished
>> himself already. First he doesn't hustle on his first AB, then in the third
>> inning of a scoreless games he gets thrown out trying to STEAL THIRD ON BALL
>> FOUR WITH TWO MEN OUT. 
>>
>> 	What could possibly have been so important about getting to third
>>with two men out? Does Vince Coleman have a brain? 
>
>
>No, he doesnt. This sort of thing has happened before, and Harrelson
>didnt do anything after such incidents. I remember a Padres-Mets
>game; SD leading 4-2 in the bottom of the 9th, 2 out, Coleman at 2B
>and the guy steals 3rd!! He made it safely, but the very fact that
>he tried to steal shows his selfish-attitude/no-brains. HIS RUN
>didnt mean ANYTHING. Jerry Coleman (Padres play-by-play guy) was 
>very critical of Coleman. IF I were the NY manager, I fine the guy.
>
    I remember this play also.  I heard it on a mets station.  The announcers
couldn't believe what they saw.  I seem to remember Vince Coleman stealing
in other situations like this also.  This doesn't even qualify as a rookie
mistake.  This is out and out selfishness/stupidity.
  
   But, he's on my rotisserie team so as long as he doesn't get thrown
out, I'll forgive him.  :)

-- 
Darren McGeary - Nice Guy(TM)                 mcgead@rpi.edu
Owner and General Manager                     Darren_McGeary@mts.rpi.edu
The Macho Kings                               1990 NIL Champions
PRO-CHOICE - THE AMERICAN WAY
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: epstein@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: Canada 6 New York 1
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:31:17 GMT

In <1992Apr17.164839.17316@oz.plymouth.edu> m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:

>In article <4dvZwX600WBNQ=jYQE@andrew.cmu.edu> King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>P.S.  It seems that everybody hates New York (the city, the teams, their
>>people), more than any other city.  This seems to be a form of
>>complement to most New Yorkers, including me.
>
>I have no love for New York.  I grew up in Montreal, and I sort of had
>a hatred of the Mets bred into me.  :)

Well, that explains things then -- a product of poor breeding :-).

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: epstein@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Something not covered by stats (SRA?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

I wrote:
>[stuff about stats covering runners-advanced]
>
>3. Some other sabermetrics have been created to account for problems
>with slugging average (and these may cover problems that some may say
>slugging average has with keeping track of advancing runners).
>Slugging is basically a weighted batting average -- weighted by the
>type of hit.  The problem is that the weights it uses are not the best
>(e.g. 1 for single or BB or HBP, 2 for double, 3 for triple, 4 for
>HR).  In actuality, a single is better than a BB (partly for it
>potentially being better at advancing runners), and the other hits are
>not really 2, 3, or 4 times better than singles.  So, people have come
>up with other weighted batting averages that are supposed to
>correspond more closely with the actual value of each type of hit.

As David Grabiner has kindly pointed out to me in email, my
description of the weights used by SLG above was inaccurate -- it is
calculated from total bases (TB), which does not include BB's or HBPs.
He further added that OBP+SLG gives a pretty accurate weighting to
each of the events mentioned above.

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: kirsch@ux.acs.umn.edu (Dave Kirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fielder will win the Triple Crown
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:02:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr8.170244.11635
Organization: David Cone's Pull Toys and Assorted Paraphenalia, Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.234247.16877@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st910977@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>the day that Cecil Fielder wins the triple crown is the day that Ted Williams
>comes back to baseball to challenge it.  I have heard of being a little 
>biased for your team (as I am with the Bosox) but I try not to get too 
>redicules.  Fielder could not hit .320 if he lost 100 pounds and called him-
>self Wade!!  I agree that Thomas (Frank) is a potential TC winner but I also
>see Will Clark as a candidate.  I think that those two are the only real
>possibilities.  Another possible person in a few years (it's time to be bias-
>ed) would be Phil Plantier.  He has the power and I think that he might be
>able to hit for average as well.  But right now I'll have to bet against
>Cecil even if he does change his number to eight and takes the nickname
>"Yaz".

  Well, Plantier is *almost* as biased a choice as Fielder. I don't think
either one has a snowball's chance in hell of winning a triple crown. They're
both great power hitters, but neither one is gonna hit for an especially high
average. Plantier *might* hit .290 someday if things break right, but that's 
not gonna be enough to win a batting title as long as people named Frank, 
Ruben, Rafael, Kirby, Wade, Roberto or the Kid (among others) are around. 
He's got holes in his swing and can be pitched to, which isn't saying that 
he's not a good hitter. He's likely to be similar to Mark McGwire, except 
without the downward-spiraling BA. A .260/.370/.480 seems likely, although he
*could* exceed that SLG number if things break right. I think he'll be one of
the few LH hitters that Fenway *hurts*, unless he adjusts his swing to bang 
doubles off the Green Monster. 

  Possible chances for a triple crown that come to mind immediately: Frank 
Thomas, Ken Griffey,Jr., Ruben Sierra (reasonably good chances), Barry Bonds,
Will Clark (a little tougher), Dave Justice & Jeff Bagwell (longshots,
although Bagwell will *never* do it in the Astrodome .. only if he leaves). 
 
-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch  ...   of the Warren Newson fan club 
kirsch@ux.acs.umn.edu                          "Blue Jays all the way in '92"  
"Sportswriters mostly sit in bars and argue about things, then go home and 
 write all the clever bullshit they think they should have said at the time."
From: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Yankees Trivia
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:16:34 GMT
Reply-To: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <1992Apr15.030949.14087@mercury.cair.du.edu> baxtman@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Captain Chaos) writes:
>Does anyone know where the Yankees first town was? 

Its' a vaguely worded question.  The way I interpret it, the answer
is New York City.  The franchise was called Orioles when they were 
in Baltimore in 1901 and 02.  They moved to New York and became the 
Highlanders in 1903.  The name was changed to Yankees in 1913.  So
the YANKEES first city was New York.  Then again, I think there was
a different team called the Yankees in Boston long before this.

Max Logan
Nashua NH
From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (DAVID BONAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Alfredo Griffin, Clubhouse Deity {tm}
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:09:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr16.201547.1084
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25852]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Apr16.163328.6064@sni.ca>, dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till) writes...
>In article <1992Apr15.215230.28158@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...) writes:
>>I have wondered why the small brains of 3 or 4 of you, open only a tiny
>>crack at the best of times, snap shut completely at the slightest hint
>>that personality might have something to do with winning.
> 
>I can't speak for any of the other "small-brained" people on the net,
>but I don't think personality has *nothing* to do with winning.  It just
>has *far less* to do with winning than ability does.

	I'm not sure I'm a "small mind" or not (or do I get the distinction
automatically due to the name?) but I have a similar viewpoint.  Personality
and team chemistry probably DO effect the team's play.  But as far as I
can tell, any effect from chemistry is less then the year to year random
fluctuations.  

	Of course, this only applies to baseball.  In sports where the
results can't be broken down into individual actions quite as easily
I think chemistry is more important (like hockey, soccer, or football).

Dave
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
Go Astro's  [motto: More Bang for the buck (but still a little short)]
__________
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (John Doe)
Subject: Re: Biggio
Organization: Slestacks
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:46:15 GMT

In article <0dvAieC00UhW89hLRC@andrew.cmu.edu>, King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Can someone please inform me why/when/how Biggio became a second baseman?
|> 
|> I've never heard of another case where a catcher transformed into a
|> second baseman.

He was in this lab, you see playing with chemicals and got bombarded with
radiation.   Oh sorry, wrong group.  I was thinking of the Incredible Hulk

-- Stupid
From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Most Popular Athletes List
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:26:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

To help you fill in the Baltimore blank, you can either put Cal Ripken Jr.,
(I know he is the first choice, but he is that popular), Joe Orsulak (believe
it or not), Randy Milligan (more popular then people outside of Baltimore
realize), Bill Ripken (he's Cal's brother which makes him high on the list),
Reggie Lewis (he is EXTREMELY popular in Baltimore, even though he is a Celtic,
because he is a native Baltimorean), and if coaches/managers count, Wes Unseld
(who still lives outside of Baltimore and his wife runs an elementary school,
called Unseld's).  But if ONE had to be picked, it would have to be Reggie
Lewis.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: For METS FANS only: re Bonilla
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:42:07 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>>Today, in the 3-2 loss to the Phillies, he hit what he thought
>>would be the game-tieing HR in the 9th. He then hot-dogged around
>>instead of running all out, which might have gotten him to third
>>instead of to second (not that it mattered, however).

Sam Horn did this in an Orioles game once. Oates yanked him out of the
game and put a pinch runner in for him instantly. He apologized after
the game for his lack of hustle. In the next game he was running down
to first on a walk and on a strike-out, the catcher dropped the ball
and he tried to run it out. He learned the lesson at least for a short
time.

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Answer to Question re: 2000 Wins
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:58:15 EDT

In article <kunf60INN436@mizar.usc.edu>
pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
 
>
>This should come as NO surprise...
>
>The first (and only) National League team to get 2000 Wins
>since 1969 (Start of Division Play) is....
>
>		The Los Angeles Dodgers
>
>YAY!
>					BleedsDodgerBlue
>
     What a surprise.  The answer was only given about 3 times in
your e-mail address and signature.  Here's a related question:
 
     Which is the only team in the NL West to get 94 Wins in the
last 1 years? :-)
 
Jeff Caveney
GO BRAVES! -- 4-5 :-(
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steveo@shamu.micro.umn.edu (Stephen Andrew Schmid)
Subject: Re: Where's Kevin Tapani?
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:47:42 GMT



Tapani isn't on the DL.  He is starting tonight in *our* home opener tonight

against the Texas Rangers,


GO TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.222718.24632@u.washington.edu>  
tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
> Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the 
> best of all time at his position.  Yes, that would involve being better
> than Mantle and Mays and Speaker.  No, it's not probable; it's not 
> improbable, either.

I'd say Cal Ripken, given another few years (and the credit he deserves),  
could be another!

jason
cheese@wam.umd.edu