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From: schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive on Letterman
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:41:40 GMT
Reply-To: schumach@stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp


Colin,

My favorite Barker so far is his latest, Imajica.  I also liked Weaveworld and
Great and Secret Show a lot.  The Damnation Game was pretty good, but not as
good as the rest.

I suggest you give Weaveworld another try.  It takes a while to set up a novel
as large and complex as Weaveworld, and although it seems at first as if the
story is changin a lot, the subplots do eventually "weave" together.

Kurt
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jvh@mits.mdata.fi (Jussi-Ville Heiskanen)
Subject: Re: Fear According to Card: Dread, Terror and Horror
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:10:49 GMT

chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:


>What stories/movies have really filled you with dread? 

Well, maybe not exactly that, but I did have a new perspective
vis `a vis the people I saw walking by on the pavement, as I 
left the movie theater after the remake (that wasn`t, quite)
of _Invasion_of_the_Body-Snatchers_.

--
jvh@mits.mdata.fi
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: piharris@cix.compulink.co.uk (Philip Harris)
Subject: Re: No subject
Reply-To: piharris@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:45:00 +0000


> +Message-ID   : <1993Jan6.151417.14749@walter.bellcore.com>
> +From         : chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
> +Organization : Bellcore MRE
> 
> This story is really cool, you must expand on it.  
> What is the common goal of the creatures?  Or is a common goal possible?
> 
> What happened before he got to the crypt, what happened after he became 
> a creature?
> 
> What powers do these creatures possess?
> 
> 

I'm glad you liked it, you never know I what might expand things a
bit in the future.

        Philip
     **********************
     *                    *       .... TERROR IN THE UK ....
     *    Philip Harris   *       
     * Born Oct 15th 1969 *    Barker....Campbell....Herbert...
     * Died Feb 25th 1973 *
     *                    *       .... TERROR IN THE UK ....
     **********************
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:06:47 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <C0M2JD.FBt@mach1.wlu.ca>,
brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]
>>  Basically, if you're going to include God in a book, you'd better
>>include the Devil too.  It balance things a bit, don't you agree?

I suggest you read "Tarot" by Piers Anthony. (It's a triology, also
published as one complete volume.)  This book is more of the fantasy
genre as opposed to horror, but it deals with the god/devil stuff
quite well.

As I am a non-religious anti-christian, I recommend this book
*especially* to born-agains.

--Gina
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: an4556@anon.penet.fi
Subject: barter videos
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:48:41 GMT

Is anyone of you interested in bartering VHS videos about themes like
horror or XXXXX-rated films from Europe? The one who is should be able to read
PAL tapes (I'm able to read NTSC tapes), so both should have a multi norm
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Send me a letter about your themes of interest.

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From: bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com (Brady Gaughan)
Subject: Suspiria on Cinemax
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:38:24 GMT
Reply-To: bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

Just saw Suspiria last night on cable on the Cinemax channel.  It was great to see
such a classic recognized on the cable network.  

Just wondering if anyone else had a chance to see it.  I've never been able to find it 
in the video stores, but at least now I have a copy :^)

--Brady


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Koontz
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:08:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.090603.21870@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) writes:
>
>  The Best Koontz' to start with (in any order):
>
>     Watchers
>     Lightning
>     Strangers    (my personal favourite)
>     Phantoms
>     Midnight
>     Whispers
>     The Bad Place
>
>
>  Any of these 7 are top-notch stuff. The first four are the best.

As someone else already pointed out, everybody has different tastes.  But
I was shocked to find I would have given pretty much the same list for
starter material.  Also if you can find any books of his under the name
Leigh Nichols, they are good also.  They are The House of Thunder, Shadow
Fires, The Eyes of Darkness, The Key to Midnight, and Twilight
(republished under The Servants of Twilight.)

-- 
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harrison@sun.lclark.edu |   Our great computers fill the hallowed halls."
              -- Me     |                                    -- Rush
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:32:56 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan12.144352.10485@walter.bellcore.com>,
chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis) writes:
>I am new to this could someone tell what "IMHO" stands for.
>
>
>Dennis

"In My Humble Opinion"

--Gina
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Reply-To: chavis@thumper.UUCP (Dennis Chavis)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:41:33 GMT

Gina thanx for the reply.
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: HELLRAISER 3
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:51:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <parryh.726247890@p4.cs.man.ac.uk>,
parryh@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Howell Parry) writes:
>Can anyone out there give me any information about "Hellraiser 3" ?
>
>Has it been released in the US yet ?
>
>If so, what's it like ?
>
>Here in the UK, I've been waiting for it to be released for ages now.
>Does anyone know when it'll be released here in the UK ?
>
Yes, Hellraiser III was released here several months ago.
Unfortunately, it is a disappointment.  Clive Barker produced it,
but you can't tell that from viewing the movie.  It's very
Hollywood-esque, relying too much on fancy special effects, and not
enough on plot.

The "blood & guts" in Hellraiser I & II were there to highlight the
story, in Hellraiser III, they're their to capture the teenage
audience.

I had expected better.  I still need to get out and see Candyman.  I
hope that doesn't dissapoint me as much.

--Gina
From: bmr@gonzo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bruce Reagan)
Subject: Re: Fear According to Card: Dread, Terror and Horror
Reply-To: reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: unknown
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:15:22 GMT

In article <1igubuINN2ib@agate.berkeley.edu>, chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:
|> In the anthology _The_Changed_Man_, Orson Scott Card writes:-
|> "/Dread/ is the first and strongest of the three kinds of fear. Dread is
|> that tension, that waiting that comes when you know there is something to
|> fear but you have not identified what it is. The fear that comes when you
|> first realize that your spouse should have been home an hour ago; when
|> you hear a strange sound in your baby's bedroom; when you realize that a
|> window you are sure you closed is now open, the curtains billowing, and
|> you're alone in the house."

|> What stories/movies have really filled you with dread? 
|> 

	"The Haunting" (the movie adaptation of Shirley Jackson's The Haunting
of Hill House) fills me with dread every time I watch it.  (SPOILERS for this
movie follow).  Also "The Changeling" is a dread type of movie, very well done I
think (although the last time I saw it I was 13-my opinion may have changed).

















	You never see anything in The Haunting, but you hear it and your (mine
anyway) gets carried away with what it *might* be.  I love it.  If you can stand
the overacting and the pitiful lead character I think it is a great movie. 
Certainly one of the best horror films that focus on dread rather than terror.



|> Chua
|> +==+

-- 
Bruce Reagan
reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 14:10:07 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

96nlp@williams.edu (sublime) writes:

> 
> 
> 
> The STAND?  C'mon!  A 1500 page monster which concludes with the "hand
> of God"?  One of the biggest let downs in all of King-dom.
> 
> Sorry.  Just felt unbearably indignant. :)
> -norm
> 
> "It? I should have called it SHIT."  - S. King


 You think so? I consider it one of the Great American Novels, Dickensian 
in its scope and popular appeal.

marlowe

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From: 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 9 Jan 1993 08:04:01 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu




The STAND?  C'mon!  A 1500 page monster which concludes with the "hand
of God"?  One of the biggest let downs in all of King-dom.

Sorry.  Just felt unbearably indignant. :)
-norm

"It? I should have called it SHIT."  - S. King
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Reply-To: chavis@thumper.UUCP (Dennis Chavis)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:43:52 GMT

I am new to this could someone tell what "IMHO" stands for.


Dennis
From: cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Koontz: Soft Come the Dragons
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:26:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Can someone list the stories that are in this collection and, if possible,
their copyright dates. Mail to cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu or post, whichever's more
convenient.
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:21:28 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1is61qINNakv@savoy.cc.williams.edu>,
96nlp@williams.edu (sublime) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.131200.7521@nuscc.nus.sg> isc20059@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH YEN LING) writes:
>>Ooooh goodie!  We're heading towards another King vs Barker.
>>>
>  Uh oh; where are all you Barker fans?

I'm a big Barker fan.  I've never read King, and really have no
desire to.  (IMHO) his movies, with the exception of The Shining,
are crap.

I think Barker does a very good job with character development.
Many of his stories are gory, sure, but I don't think the gore is
there simply for shock value (like in a slasher movie), but rather
to increase the intensity of the situation.

I also think that Barker is quite original and imaginative.  I can't
remember him ever repeating any ideas or storylines.  He also veers
away from strict horror, and delves into fantasy, as demonstrated
with Imajica.

Of course, King fans, this is all IMHO so be gentle with me.

--Gina
From: 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Clive on Letterman
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:59:08 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu

 hello?


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From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Clive on Letterman
Originator: mds5142@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:24:25 GMT

In article <Dsi5wB5w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>
> In any case, you should start where I did, with "The Damnation Game". 
>It's short, tight, and the most straight-out "horror" novel that Clive' 
>ever done. Check out "The Great and Secret Show" next, followed by 
>"Cabal" and ALL of the "Books of Blood" before coming to "Imagica". 

I have a friend who, since I am reading Imagica and I said I liked it a
lot, she bought this book for a cruise she went on last Christmas.
She's never read any other Clive Barker books and really loved Imagica.

Overall, though, I'm not really sure this 'order' of reading books makes
much difference.  I've heard the same types of things about Stephen
King, L. Ron Hubbard, and Koontz, too, but rarely felt that it was
necessary to have an 'order' for any of those authors.  Typically, I
just recommend my favorites to friends, and if they get hooked into that
author, they can go after the others.

IMHO, my 2 cents, etc, etc.

Mike
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* vision come the people, And from the people come the power, From this  *
* power come the change.  - P. Gabriel                                   *
From: jk101920@ee.tut.fi (Kannisto Juha)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive on Letterman
Date: 10 Jan 93 10:38:29 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
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In <Dsi5wB5w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:


>RE: good Clive Barker books

> Too bad you didn't like "Weaveworld", as that one's probably my 
>favourite.

> In any case, you should start where I did, with "The Damnation Game". 
>It's short, tight, and the most straight-out "horror" novel that Clive' 
>ever done. Check out "The Great and Secret Show" next, followed by 
>"Cabal" and ALL of the "Books of Blood" before coming to "Imagica". 

> The last book, I think, should only be read by someone who understands 
>and appreciates Barker's vision. There's some good stuff there, true, but 
>the thing's too goddamn LONG, and a lot of it doesn't work.

Imho, Imajica is by far Barker's best novel so far. There's a LOT of good
stuff there and I think it works a lot better than The Great and Secret
Show which was a bit boring at times. I too think that The Damnation Game
or Cabal would make a good start (+ Books of Blood I - VI). 
Waiting to get my copy of 'The Thief of Always' :)

>marlowe

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From: 9021477@ul.ie (Dragon, Kemist, Wired to the moon...)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: SK:  Dolores Claiborne
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:05:32 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Dec23.184104.6478@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, kjs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kelly.smith) writes:
> I apololgize is if this has been discussed already,
> but I have been away....
> 
> When is Stephen King going to come out with another
> supernatural novel?  I've read Four Past Midnight,
> Needful Things, Gerald's Game, and Dolores Claiborne
> as soon as they hit the stands and was disappointed.
> While the all had a hint of the supernatural, none of
> them really focused on it.  I've read just about every
> book he's written and I love his stuff.  I guess now's
> the time to read all of Clive barker's books.  I've only
> read Hellbound Heart and Great and Secret Show (loved this
> one).  Any recommendations?
> 
> I've heard rumors that the movie, The Stand, is coming
> out in the fall of 1993.  Is there any truth to that?
> 
> Also what were Stephen King and Clive Barker working
> on earlier this year?  I caught a blurb on A Current
> Affair about a movie they were working on.  In it
> Barker's arms were covered with fake blood.  Looked
> interesting.
> 
> Anyone know when Evil Dead III is coming out if at all?
> 
> Thanks......Kelly Jean

In reference to Barker, I personally think Imajica is his best yet and 
well worth a read...however Weaveworld I loved also...Cabal too is good and
the Damnation game is ok....it never really gripped me though....
Get Imajica and read it....[advice mode off :)]

As for The Stand, I seem to remember someone suggesting that an 8 hour ABC 
mini-series was in the pipeline...with King and Richard Rubenstein producing..
...don't take my word for it though! :>

The Barker-King thing I'm not sure on, but I think Barker had a cameo 
appearance in Sleepwalkers...I haven't seen it yet so I dunno...feel free to 
correct me :>

And yeah, when *is* Evil Dead III due out?? ;-)

Dragon
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From: troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson)
Subject: Your help is needed! Please read.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:42:50 GMT

This is a short request to all the users of the Net I can reach.
I and several friends have been assembling a list of "Noble
Rhetoric and Snappy Comebacks" from tv, movies, books, politics, etc. 
as a hobby for sometime now and we've reached around 600 different
quotes in all.  I have noticed the vast number of quotes to be found
throughout the net in peoples' sig.s, quotes, etc. and I would like
to ask for some help from all the users of the Net world-wide.
If you have a suggestion for a quote that is funny, creative, etc.
and you feel fits in the category of "Noble Rhetoric" or "Snappy
Comeback" in some vague way, please e-mail the suggestion to me
with the word "QUOTE SUGGESTION" as the subject line.  Also,
to prevent my mail from being overloaded please, just send in the
quotes for the next week only.  Please don't send me anything
after that time, as I am posting to a few newsgroups at a time, a
new set each week.  This should slow down the flow of mail sufficiently
so that I can handle it.  I will post all quotes which I and my comrades
in crime decide to use and we will only use those which have proper 
documention so that we may credit the source without getting in any
trouble.  Thanks in advance and your help is very much appreciated.

Grummy
From: cesnyd01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Cris Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Edward Gory
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:38:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I am looking for the artwork of Edward Gory.  If you are not familiar with 
the name, he is the guy who did the artwork for MYSTERY! on PBS.  I have one 
book that he did the art for (_Hauntings_ edited by Henry Mazzeo, Doubleday, 
1968) and would like to find more.  I think his stuff is pretty neat if you ask
me.  

Also any info on him in general would be helpful. (Like, is he still alive?)

Thanks.

					AlberCrombie.    
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From: crisper@deeptht.armory.com (Crisper Than Thou)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:26:59 GMT
Organization: The Armory, Santa Cruz

In article <1992Dec28.101953.26482@ousrvr.oulu.fi> sn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Sami Nieminen) writes:
>
>  I know that the name was made up by Robert E. Howard (author of
>Conan), so he might not have been very precise on right form of
>spelling. 
>
	That is true of nearly everything Robert E Howard wrote. :)

>---sn@phoenix.oulu.fi
>
>P.S. Chaosium also spells the name of his book wrong. It's
>'Unaussprechlichen Kulten', with two 's':s in the middle, not
>'Unausprechlichen'. (That I am sure of, it's so elementary [or...?]).

	Well, there's this funny thing called an 'ess-tset' in German
	that looks like a cursive capital 'B' and indicates the presence
	of a doubled 's' and THAT is almost certainly what should be there.
	(i.e. UnauBprechliche Kulten). Damn those non-English characters
	anyhow. Umlauts, too. Hate 'em. Grrrr.

	--The Elder Dan
From: bonapart@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: The Unspeakable Oath (was: a CoC mag)
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:51:58 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Hullo, all.

<someone mentioning The Unspeakable Oath>

I'd have to disagree with you, actually.  TUO is, I find, a very interesting
magazine on the subject of CoC.  For one, the artwork is really well done-
one of the artists is also used by Chaosium- and sets a real atmosphere to
the look of the pages.  

Throughout most issues they set forth a good mix of real-world and fantastic
ideas for keepers to use.  In the latest issue (seven), they put forth the
idea of Graphology: using the look of a person's handwriting to help
determine the mental attitude of the writer.  Also, there's an article
suggesting events in 1920's russia being the result of Old Ones playing
about with earth (apparently some rather nasty stuff happened in the real
world, much less adding Coc to it).

On the fantastic side, a large amount of space is given to an organization
called 'the Last Dawn', a off-shoot of Catholosism which thinks that 
Lovecraftian entities are God's humble way of getting people away from
Science and back to Religion.  Since this is presumably a Good Thing
for them, they are thus the equivalent of an evil cult, without the icky
insanity that so often hampers such.

They also present some rules ideas, in this case some ways of handling
mastery of handguns, as well as reviews of recent products, both gaming
and not, that have to do with anything Lovecraftian.

All together, Job Bob gives it three screams and a shudder.
Check it out, but don't forget to bring extra batteries for the torch.

-john, R'lyeh council for the inhuman arts.
bonapart@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu







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From: adam@owlnet.rice.edu (Adam Justin Thornton)
Subject: Re: Elder Signs...
Organization: Milo's Meadow
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:24:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.232705.25924@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.194211.25209@nmsu.edu> jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH) writes:
>>
>>	By the way, for all you gamers of the CoC, how common are
>>Elder Signs? 
>
>I had them pick it up first adventure.  Of course they had no idea what
>it meant, or what it did, or how to make one that worked.  They just
>knew that it was important.  Steal a line from Paranoia: Fear and Ignorance.
>The fear bit is easy--- I think a lot of the modules haven't got Ignorance
>quite down pat yet....

Hell, in my campaign, they're ALL OVER the Tunnels Under Boston.

They don't stop very much, but they look cool.

Adam  


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