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From: douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: GLOBAL WARMING
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:16:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

> 
> Hey, just try and realize that weather isn't always the same, won't
> always be the same, we have had iceages in the past, we don't have
> an ice age now, so that the globe must have warmed, it had nothing
	There is a theory that Iceages are iniated by WARM weather.  The idea
actually fairly simple.  The amount of moisture the air can hold is directly
related to its temperature.  At the planets poles, its actually so cold it
rarely snows.  Over a long period of global warming, the poles should receive 
more precipation, and the icecaps grow larger.
	Once the icecaps reach a critical size, they affect global weather by 
reflecting the suns energy back into space, cooling the planet's temperate
zones.  Then  the icecaps move into the temperate zones and wala- iceage.  I
don't think we will see any of this in our lifetimes folks (not with the ozone
holes to melt the ice :^) 
> to do with pollution, so don't jump around panicing about a hot
> day, it's probably not your fault.
	On the other hand, I've noticed too that the last few winters in a row
have seemed unusually warm for Wisconsin.  The snow hardly stays at all, and
there are fewer white christmasses than there use to be.
	I  remember hearing an Indian story that every 40 years there was a
very hard winter and summers with unusual weather, and i'd say that the indian
story is just a little more believable than global warming.  Nature may very
well exhibit grand cycles that span one human lifetime.
> 
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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:04:00 GMT
	<C1FJ0n.E07@news.iastate.edu>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: barrett@iastate.edu's message of 25 Jan 93 21:43:33 GMT

>>>>> On 25 Jan 93 21:43:33 GMT, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) said:

Marc>    The introduction of an '030 A4000 and an A4000T would not solve the 
Marc> problem as I stated it above.  An A4000 with a full '030 would obviously 
Marc> be more expensive than an A4000 with the EC030, and the A4000T would be
Marc> more expensive still.  If there is a hole in Commodore's product line 
Marc> between the A1200 and the A4000 with EC030, introducing full '030 and
Marc> tower models obviously would not fill that hole.  
Marc> Commodore basically needs
Marc> to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and detached keyboard, and not more
Marc> A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping hole in their product line.

Marc, you're such a goof! First of all you don't even know what the
A4K/EC030 is gonna cost here and second you haven't even considered the
fact that (according to the original post) the 4K/EC030 includes 85Mb of
disk. Check it out:

A1200       $599
A1200HD     $899

If C= can sell the 4K/EC030 such that it has a reasonable street cost
(I'm guessing they can) :

A4000/EC030HD $1200-$1700

Then if it made marketing sense, they could market a model without the
HD (ala the 2000/2000HD) and then easily sell an A4000/EC030 w/o HD for
around: 

A4000/EC030 $900-$1400

Where's your gap now?

I'd bet an EC030 4000 without the harddisk priced @ 1200 or less would
be a very appealing box to most US customers. I know I'd buy one and
slap a SCSI card in there *ASAP*. I think the 1200 is a nice little box
but I want more CPU and expandability, the 4K is too expensive for me
considering it forces me to give up my SCSI stuff and I really don't
need and 040 (yet :-).



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From: c92andst@odalix.ida.liu.se (Andreas Stenmark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Multi-Threaded OS?
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:16:45 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras) writes:

>Joe Tham (joth@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
>:         Digging through some literature on OS/2 and Windows NT, I came 
>: across the term "multi-threaded"...  What does this mean for the OS and 
>: applications and is the Amiga OS multi-threaded?

>Multithreaded means that each process can have seperate paths of
>execution.  A thread is different from a process because although it has
>its own stack, shares memory, file handles and a few other resources with
>the other threads in a process.  Multi-threaded programs tend to appear
>to have higher performance because the user has to wait less time between
>actions.  For example, a user pulls down "Save" from the "File" menu of
>a multithreaded application.  The application starts a new thread to
>handle the saving of the application state, which lets the main thread
>get back to the business of servicing the menus.  That means the user can
>immediately pull down the File menu again.

>It is my understanding that AmigaDOS doesn't support multi-threading
>per se, but their processes are so light having one program spawn several
>process to enhance its performance is not uncommon.  I am taking my
>knowledge of discussions on this group so an Amigoid will have to give
>further details/corrections.

The AmigaDOS doesn't explicitly support multi-threading, but it's not
really a drawback. You can get a lot of functionality only with
asynchronous I/O requests and a small message loop. In your above example,
when the menu event is received you just send out an AmigaDOS packet to
save the project, and then go on waiting for more menu events or other
user actions. When the 'save' command is ready it will say so. No need
for multiple processes. Of course in some cases it's more convenient to
spawn off a new task/process, but they're fairly light-weight anyway.

	/Andreas
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:21:56 GMT

In article <10548@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.042420.12560@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
> >
> >(goddamn Arkansas hick, activist wife, eco-freak veep, censorship bitch veep's
> >wife, a first kid who looks like my dog, AND A CAT AS FIRST PET! what's the
> >world coming to?)
>
>Hmm, I strongly *like* cats! Much more than dogs. (As far as I remember the
>same goes for DaveH. And I bet -MB- is a dog lover :-)

   No, I'm a cat lover and always have been.  A friend got a dog and I feel
like bringing a gun and shooting the stupid thing every time I visit his
house.  Cats are so much quieter and require so much less attention.  Cats are
the greatest creatures on the planet.

> I'm looking forward to
>such people.

   I don't think Socks will get very much attention.  Cats like to pick one
or two places in a house to call home.  In a place as big as the White House,
Socks will probably spend 99% of the time hidden in one or two rooms.  In a
few months, the media here will forget that Socks even exists.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:37:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <SUOPANKI.93Jan22153901@stekt7.oulu.fi>, Heikki T. Suopanki (suopanki@stekt7.oulu.fi) wrote:
: Peter> I'm not. Enough people here have read what you said then. Don't try such a
: Peter> cheap escape.

: You are lying, Peter. 
: Jerry never said x86 is far superior to  680x0.

If you'd been following this moronic argument, you'd know that what
you just posted was totally pointless--that wasn't the issue.

Jerry has said quite often in the past that advanced 80x86 processors
make use of a "flat" memory model.  The only mistake Peter made was in
taking Jerry's words as truth and not looking at a manual to make
sure.

Greg

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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:22:47 GMT
	<10549@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com's message of 21 Jan 93 10:32:52 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Jan 93 10:32:52 GMT, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) said:

Peter> In article <2187@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
>>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>>
>>: Now there are more game sales on the MACINTOSH than on the Amiga!
>>
>>: IBM 82%, Mac 8%, Amiga 6%
>>
>>How is it worldwide? Mac is hardly never mentioned in games magazines
>>here in Europe.

> What is a Mac?

It's like a computer, only more expensive.
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:46:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.214147.13439@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>cd work:games/flashback
>
>Huh?  What's this for?

That's one of those games PC's don't have.

>What are you talking about?  You mean... patches to some games?  Excuse me,
>but I don't would mind.  Would you, if these games were even available
>for the Amiga?

Yes, games should be in finished form when released, or at least so
finished that they wouldn't need a patch.

>Actually, do AMigans only ahve one CTRL key?  I like have dual
>Alt and and CTRL... just wondering.

Gheeze, Dan.  We have: left shift, right shift, left alt, right alt, 
left amiga, right amiga and control.  Is that enough modifiers for ya?

I thought you bought an old 1000?  Even they had them.

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From: Steve_Halliburton@naraltd.raider.net (Steve Halliburton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: traffic as relates c.s.mac.advocacy
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:28:35 CST
Organization: Narabedla Limited BBS (615) 848-1378 1200-16.8k USR DST

I read a message about c.s.mac.advocacy, where the poster was talking about
sitting in front of an LCII. Note: Commodore is not the only one not
"dilly-dally"-ing anymore.

Perk up your ears, folks; this is what the only real 680x0 competition is
up to:

Color Classic (yes, you heard it right--color video in the classic case)
LCIII (25 MHz 68030 instead of 16 MHz)
two "Centris" models positioned between II's and Quadras
a new Quadra (850, I think, but not sure)

plus various PowerBooks (including a passive-matrix color PowerBook), and
of course, machine-specific minor upgrades of System to take advantage of
new machine features.

I really think C= needs to think about notebook computing. One of the
greatest boosts to Mac market share was portability.

Amiga Notebooks Now! Amiga Notebooks Now! (chant with me, won't you?)
Amiga Notebooks Now! Amiga Notebooks Now! 

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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:09:21 GMT

In <torrie.727676615@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>>	If we're GOING to be stuck with parallel processing, let's at
>>LEAST do it with a Viking/SuperSPARC architecture.  :)

>  No thank you.  Why on earth would I want to saddle my machine with
>those slow, delayed (just when are those 50MHz versions coming out??),
>lagging behind everybody else SuperSPARCs, when I could stick the 2
>or 3 times as fast Alphas in there?

Where are these great and wonderful Alpha machines?  Perhaps DEC has
a few for sale at their typically inflated prices.  Are Alpha's
multi-sourced yet?  Is the Alpha architecture multi-sourced, or are
you locked into DEC?

More importantly, is there software available for the Alpha?  Is there
a decent operating system for the Alpha yet?  (And I certainly don't
mean Open VMS or Ultrix.)  Do you trust your immediate future in the
hands of Windows NT or OSF/1?  I don't.

>  The SPARC is to the RISC world as Intel is to the CISC world.

You mean the dominant architecture?  :-)  You can hardly fault
Intel for persuing sales where the lost sheep continue to buy.
One would figure that market forces would shift towards the
"better" product.

Despite whatever faults you might see in SPARC, it is by far the
most "open" architecture yet.  That alone gives it a few extra
brownie points that put it ahead in my books.  The claimed
performance advantages of the Alpha at this very sample in
time is hardly something to rejoice over.  RISC processors
leapfrog eachother every couple of months.

Ben
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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:33:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.031744.17077@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
 > Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

 > :    If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
 > : Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
 > : Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
 > : the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
 > : and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
 > : not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
 > : marketing one now.
 > 
 > Shut up Marc.

That wasn't too constructive, but I see your point...  Question:  What's the
difference between a 1200 with an EC030 and a detatched keyboard, and a
4000/EC030?  Well, uh...  None!  So adding an '882 to Marc's missing computer
would make it...  Uh...  MORE expensive than the 4000/EC030.  WOW!  And I thought
there was hope for Marc N. Barrett...  (NOT)

 > zarthac@camelot >.bradley.edu / authors have the leeway to assume total  /AMIGA

-Eyvind

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From: fettig@disco-sun3 (Thomas &)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:33:22 GMT
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
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Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
: : In article <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: : >How much does it cost, you ask?
: : >
: : >For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
: : >gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.

: : Anyone heard anything lately about hydrogen power?  I recall seeing a 
: : program on the television about such a beast.  The fuel was expensive to
: : produce, but they said it would be cheaper if mass-produced and the source
: : (water) is almost limitless.  If I'm not mistaken, the only pollution was
: : water vapor and the conversion from a gasoline engine was not difficult.

: And you think that gas is flammable?!?!  Hydrogen makes gas look weak...

Gasoline explodes and spreads all over. Hydrogen can't make your clothes wet 
(not sure how to say it in english) and is much lighter than air, so you just
lay yourself down and you're out of trouble. Try this with an exploding gasoline-tank.

: : >Not the ultimate answer, but it beats the hell out of killing our
: : >atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
: : >any day.

: You do realize of course, that factories, etc... generate _far_ more pollution
: than cars do, right?

 I don't think so. Most pollution comes from the heatings(sp?) of the houses
 (water and air). Then comes traffic. Then power plant's or factories (so say 
 the last numbers in Europe). The advantage of hydrogen is that you could 
 produce it easy and it doesn't loose energy while being transported (compare
 to electricity). And it can be easily converted to any useful energy-form.
 (btw what's the average consumption of american car's in Liter/100 Kilometers?)

: : ObAdvocacy:

 YEAH GREAT PRICE CUT ISN't IT ? GREAT FOR THE AMIGAN'S ECOLOGIE!

>:)

: : How good or bad is Commodore with regard to the environment?  I saw a report
: : a while back which listed IBM and a few others as being some of the biggest
: : polluters due to their manufacturing process.  Oh, I forgot, that sort of
: : information is probably covered by the NDA...  :-)
 Perhaps there using recycled toilet paper.. from old NDA's ?

: : >Greg
: : skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
: zarthac@camelot >.bradley.edu / authors have the leeway to assume total  /AMIGA
me

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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:16:11 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>	Me: In my experience, ...
>      Jack: Oh, so now you're the standard that should be referenced against?
>	Me (fed up): No, Master Jack, you are.

>Read that again, Douglas, and tell me who was being rude.  When an Amigoid
>posts his experiences, it is supposed to be taken as fact, right?  But when
>I post my observations, I'm supposed to be insulted by the likes of Jack,
>right?

  Jerry, if I was being rude, it's only because I didn't recognize you for
the authority that you think you are...

  -jack-
From: jorni@edb.tih.no (Joern G. Innset,o90a)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:47:16 GMT
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In article <1993Jan24.151002.10308W@viper.edb.tih.no>, jorni@edb.tih.no (Joern G. Innset,o90a) writes:
>>Not bad at all. Is the NOK price MSRP or retail?
>Retail - see why I'm so happy? :-D

Sorry - that's wrong, I ment MSRP.

Jorn I.
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From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  RISC Amiga?
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:12:14 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1jiq6pINNt6i@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:
>: Are you inferring that RCS will be offering a Fusion-60? Have to always
>: be the first on the block, don't you guys? :).
>
>It's good to see RCS giving the guys at GVP a run for their money.
>I've peeked at RCS's stuff, I like their 040 board a lot.  Sure wish I
>had one.  :)  Anyways, what else does RCS do (that is, besides
>processor upgrades...  :)?

Thanks for the compliment. We are currently also doing:

- ethernet networking solutions for the Amiga called AmigaNet

- we sell a new painting software for 24Bit SAGE boards called Animator Broadcast

- we currently develop a cheap+dazzling quick 24bit expansion for the Fusion-
  Forty 68040 cards

- dream of RISC chips in the Amiga

>
>Greg
>
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