HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Nothing!!!
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:16:57 GMT

   Yesterday I thought it is a simple mistake, committed by some 
netters(who are so fascinated by Shah's efforts toward the gate
of big civilization!!), and therefore needless to pay any attention.
But today I realized that it is a new version of English, special to
those who know too much :-). Here are what I saw yesterday, and what 
I saw today:

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Article: 12250 of soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: BBC unveils CIA ...
Date: 24 Aug 92 18:33:33 GMT
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
  

................ Only at the university of Oslo there are 
more than 200 hundred Iranians studying and all have left 
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
           
                 Kambiz

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Article: 12289 of soc.culture.iranian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: About arab invasion of Bilad Faris...
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 05:15:04 GMT


                                                          ..... in the area of
forcing religion down the throat of iran, islam took 200 hundred years to gain
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
only an absolute majority.  
sincerely

zafar


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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: A WORD OF CAUTION
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:15:28 GMT

saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh) writes:

>darvish@khAneghAh.alishAh (darvish-ali) writes:
>> ......
>>If someone expresses a question such:
>>     Why some Persians hate Arabs?
>>     ;Why Arabs hate Iranians?
>      
>      Watch your mouth. You say *some Persians* hate Arabs, 
>      then *Arabs* hate Iranians. It is the difference between
>      some and all.
>      
Don't make those Iranians who do not hate Arabs change their mind.
Think twice before posting on the net Anwar.

>  Anwar Saleh
From: towfiq@Microdyne.COM (Mark Towfiq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What is Bahai?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:10:15 GMT
	<Aug.24.15.53.55.1992.13733@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Microdyne, Inc., Westford, MA

>>>>> On 24 Aug 92 19:53:56 GMT, hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin) said:

sh> plobel@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>Can anyone tell me anything about the Bahai religion?

sh> Ohhh No! Here we go again :-)

  Don't worry!  I responded via e-mail!
--
Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Microdyne.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

Blessed is the man that hath acknowledged his belief in God and in His signs,
and recognized that "He shall not be asked of His doings."  Such a recognition
hath been made by God the ornament of every belief, and its very foundation.
		-- Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
From: majid@nakano.me.tohoku.ac.jp (Majid Nili Ahmadaabaady)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: For a friend in Japan(Sadeg Taabe Jamaaat)
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:44:40 GMT
Organization: Robotic Lab., Dept. of Machine intelligence & Sys. Eng., Tohoku
	Univ.,Japan

Salaam:

 Please send me your E-mail address.

Regards
majid
--
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Stop the...
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:34:08 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:


>26-Aug-92 jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh) Stop the Racist Articles:

>>In the New World Order the former colonialists are exploiting the ethnic and
>>religious tensions to impose their political will. This is specially true in
>>the middle east.  Arabs are not our enemy today, they are suffering the newly
>>emerging colonialism just like we Iranians are.It is just these ill feelings
>>which are exploited by the outside powers to create wars such as the eight
>>year Iran-Iraq war with immense cost and suffering to both Iranian and Iraqi
>>people.

>This is undoubtedly true and at the same time simplistic.  I agree with the
>statement in principle, but in fact it has a decidedly Marxist ring to it.
>And although I think Marx had a lot on the ball, he specifically identified
>advanced capitalist societies as appropriate candidates for "advancement"
>to a communist state.  Based on the totally abysmal performance of the
>socalled Marxists worldwide (where each and every implementation has come
>about in agrarian societies), I think spouting rhetoric of this kind is
>valueless.  As much as George Bush and his colleagues desperately want their
>manipulations to function in a linear fashion, country's like Iran are
>unmanipulatable in large part, and are tantamount to holding a tiger by the 
>tail.

Sir:

Since Marx is a dirty word, and my knowledge of it is quite meager,
I would like to ask you to explain how you associated the above paragraph
with Marxism. The reference to "former colonialists" means England and
France who are conspiring to return to the Persian Gulf region and
recapture their old colonial interests there. George Bush is going
along with this mainly for reasons of impending elections.

--jamshid
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: A Joke and some proverbs
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway



First a joke:

Ye khargoosheYi yerooz too jangal midovid o
faryad mizad farar konid, farar konid, shire
har Heyvooni ro ke 3 ta tokhm dashte bashe 
mikhore. Heyvoonaye dige behesh migand hala
to chera mitarsi mage to 3 ta tokhm dari. Khargooshe
mige akhe shire aval mikane baAd mishmare.



Gonah kard dar Balkh ahangari
                 Be shooshtar zadand Gardane Mesgari

Az Ghater porsidand, pedarat kie goft madarm Asbe
(A hybrid of asb and khar).

Be gonjishke goftand, monar be koonet, goft ye chizi 
bego ke begonje.

Chera to hameye Payghamberha Berjis ra entekhab kardi
(Berjis MoEjeze nedasht).

Do ghorto nimash ham Baghist ( Does anybody know the
history of this proverb? Hint: Ghazieye Hazrate
Soleyman's party va Nahange.

Az pap katolikktare (Note for the picky. It is not English
spelling here)

Dom khar Sezaye koone khare.

Az Robahe porsidand Shahedat Kiye goft Dombam.

Cheragi ke be khane ravast be masjed haram ast.

Choob ro ke vardari gorbe dozde farar mikone.

Aslan na khani oomade va na khani rafte (does anybody
know the history of this proverb. Hint Ghazieye
Lore va Kharboze)

Be shotore goftand chera shashet Pase, goft kojam
mesle hame kase.

Na shire shotor va na didare Arab.
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: ****Top 25 reasons *not* to read SCI****
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:52:08 GMT
	<BtL43I.CCp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: none

In article <BtL43I.CCp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

 &>When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
 &>And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
 &>You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
 &
 &Another sci 'ASHEQ !?

Why not?! I consider Eshq very important. In fact, eshq means life!
      
"mA Asheq o rend o mast o Alam soozeem    bA mA manesheen agar na bad nAm shavi"
                   
You see, even HAfez was an Asheq.  How can one not be an Asheq?!
        
  - Farzin
               
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: A short story of the Arab/Ajam race
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:39:29 GMT


Once upon a time, somewhere in the soot-o-koor corner of our vast
universe, there was a tiny particle (and I mean tiny) that was
wandering aimlessly in the sky, while circling a somewhat larger particle
named sun. The name of our aimless particle was earth.

On this particle lived an even more insignificant creatures,
who called themselves "humans". These so called "humans" with
their tiny brains were engaged in debates such as; the superiority
of one race over the other and that which race was the first
creator of the so called great "human civilization".

What these "humans" didn't realize was how meaningless their
discussions were. But you see, it wasn't their fault, they
were born with these little, tiny brains which would unable them to
conceive the ridiculousness of their arguments, based on a
universal scale. (to be continued)

shab khosh,

Behzad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: How could we help the victims of Andrew.
Organization: VezArateh Amoozesh va Parvaresh, nAhiyeyeh Seh 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:32:45 GMT

In article <babak.715553238@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>In <1992Sep3.170839.12312@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>
>>nakheyr ahmad AghA, bAbak is the same old bAbak. vali az hAjit kheyli
>>hesAb meebareh. So when talking to me, havAye dahanesho dAreh.  :-)
>

>
>What have you been smoking lately, that you are hallucinating again?  If you
>need Vaseline for members of your family, just let me know! -:)
>
>                   With a small jar for now
>                        Babak  Sehari.

To be frank, I don't think he is the one who has been smoking. Seems 
like you have been taking some, ummm, how should I put it, relaxing
items lately. I mean you have become so nice and polite, I was considering
asking you to come out to San Francisco and spend Halloween with us in
Castro St. I even have ideas for a costume for you. 

Hmmmm, well, might as well say it.

Babak joon, would you like to come out and visit us in San Francisco
for the Halloween weekend? We'll take you around and show you Castro
St. and the vicinity. As an added bonus for being such a good boy,
we'll treat you to a Chello-kabab-eh SoltAni in Maykadeh, the Bay
Area's best Chello-kabAbi - no mirrors unfortunately. But we shall
compensate for that with a group picture of you and all of us.
Say cheezzzz.....

What do you say??

Asghar AghA


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Subject: RE: Attention all Arabs
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:31:13 GMT


>I am sorry, but your poem and your joke are not only not funny 
>but also they are full of racism(or as you call it "blind nationalism").

>No one can justify an attack to its neighboring countries telling them that 
>we come "to free you" or "to show you the way to the heaven or hell". But all
>these stories go back to many centuries ago. Even though its
interesting to talk
>about it, do not forget that now we are living in another word. 

>If you do not like Arabs as much as you like Iranians, 
>then you begin to be a "blind nationalist". 

>Nassir


Actually I have many Arab friends  and I have nothing
against Arabs either. I think development in the region is depending
on the development of the whole region and  a lonely country can
hardly develop on its own in an undeveloped region. As for the jokes
I could not ressist them, but it was just for fun. Sorry for that.
                                         Kambiz

                                 
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From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Stop the Racist Articles
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:27:15 GMT
Organization: harf-e hesabi

In article <jamshid.714849354@cgl.ucsf.edu> jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh) writes:
>
>In recent days a number of articles have appeared in soc.culture.iranian (SCI)
>with explicit anti-arab tone. This attitude reflects the dominant thinking
>in Iran which emerged during Phalavi dynasty where the problems within the 
>Iranian society were seen as resulting from the 1400 year old Arab 
>invasion. This thinking still persists specially in the younger 
>generation. We must however note:
>
>SCI is not the school yard where people can throw around ethnic or 
>racist jokes  for laughs or enjoyment. This is a powerful medium 
>with over 20000 subcribers many of them non-Iranains. These jokes 
>and racist remarks create ill feeling between us and our Arab 
>neighbors. Please note that the present Arabs in the middle east had 
>nothing to do with the Arab invasion of Iran which happened 1400 
>years ago. 
>
>The Arab conquest of Iran happened 1400 years ago and has little 
>relevance in todays politics. In the New World Order the former 
>colonialists are exploiting the ethnic and religious tensions to 
>impose their political will. This is specially true in the middle east. 
>Arabs are not our enemy today, they are suffering the newly 
>emerging colonialism just like we Iranians are.It is just these ill 
>feelings which are exploited by the outside powers to create wars 
>such as the eight year Iran-Iraq war with immense cost and 
>suffering to both Iranian and Iraqi people.
>
>We must wake up from the 1400 year old sleep and stop blaming 
>Arabs and Islam for our problems. The Iranian culture of Sassanid 
>Dynasty is totally irrelevant to todays Iran. It is impossible to know 
>what would be the state of present Iran if the Arab invasion of 1400 
>years ago had not happened. We would probably be in a similar state 
>as todays India. The social structure in ancient Persia was the cast 
>system which still survives in India.
>
>The anti-Arab peotry in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh was relevant about a 
>1000 years ago when Iran was struggling to free itself from Arab 
>domination and revive the Persian language. It is absolutely 
>irrelevant and harmful today.
>
>--jamshid

Thanks for reminder.  I agree with you that this kind of racism is very
dangerous for us.  Finally, something relevant was said about this topic.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: baghdad is iranian city !!!
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:41:03 GMT

This is going to far.  I don't know where Mr. Saleh is getting his
information but I referred
to three sources and here is what I found same as some of you said before.

Baghdad is a Persian word meaning "God-given".  Baghdad was built in 762
A.D. by Abbasid
dynasty and chosen to be the capital of Abbasid.  Al Mansour was the
caliph at that time
but at the end of 8th century and countinuing in 9th century this city
was expanded during
Haron al-Rashid especially.  Later, it went under the Seljugh dynasty
and for a while ruled
by Moguls.  In 16th and 17th 18th century mostly it was part of Persia
especially during 
Safavids and Afshar and Zand dynasties.  Later in 19th century went
under the rule of
Ottoman empire.  British took over in 1917 and later the present Iraq
government came out
and the city now has over 4 million people in it and is the capital of Iraq.

Regards

zamie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: A WORD OF CAUTION (THANKS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:26:27 GMT

saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh) writes:

>  Thanks Kambiz. Your nice response had effect. It seems that
>  I was in a rush and did not read the original article carefully.
		       --------------------------------------------
>  In fact his(Mr. Darvish) article was a warning of such 
>  misunderstanding (something I did already). 

>  So I apologize for the misunderstanding, especialy to Mr. Darvish.
>  I also would like others (and me) to follow Kambiz in being cool.

>  Also, it is better to talk and do mistakes (misunderstanding) than
	  -------------------------------------------------------------
>  not talk at all. 
   ---------------
Al-Akh Anwar:
We are not that desperate!
It is better if you do not talk until you are sure about what you want to say.
People spend their time to read something hopefully worthwhile it is not fair
that they waste their time because of your carelessness.  Your mistake costs
readers a lot of time.
I hope that next time you push 'f' you think a lot about what you want to say.
Also try to be COOL!

vas-salaam

>  Anwar Saleh

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: ****Top 25 reasons *not* to read SCI****
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:38:05 GMT

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:


>Greetings,

>of Aug. 10 1992, here're the top 25 posters to SCI (as well as the top
>25 reasons *not* to read SCI :-).

>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Rank   Name                Location                  Postings
>-------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Babak Sehari        Iowa, USA                       446
> 2. Farzin Mokhtarian   British Columbia, Canada/Japan  439
. . .
>It's certainly been a fun 2.5 years.

It would also be interesting to know the total size of articles for each person
and what percentage of articles are original ( excluding the marked text
and signatures).  It seems that the number
of articles alone is not enough for a reasonable ranking and the two items
that I mentioned are also important.  You may notice that some people just
make a short reply to a long article (like I disagree or I agree).

>    --mack

>--
>When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
>And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
>You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda

Another sci 'ASHEQ !?

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Nuclear Bomb tests .....
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:40:27 GMT


I remember there was some speculation at the time connecting
the earthquak to a Soviet nuclear test. But many scientists
doubted that how such a chain reaction can cause Tabas some
thousand kilometers away from the explosion site to experience
an earthquak. The earthquak was in energy  some hundred times 
stronger than the original explosion and happenned 36 hours after 
the test. At the time I took the news as a cold war propaganda, 
but who knows maybe such things can happen!

                                  Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Answer to Trivia Question
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 11:53:15 GMT
Organization: sci varzeshi

I know I was supposed to answer the questions to the poster, but I have lost
his address and had not saved the original post.  Anyways, I guess it's been
a while so it ought to be OK to post an answer to sci.

Masour Rashidi was Iran's goal-keeper during Australia-Iran game in Tehran.
Naser Hejazi was not permitted to play because our esteemed 'maghamat-e 
varzeshi' including Iran's head coach (I have forgotten his name) had blamed
Naser for the 0-3 defeat in Australia.  As a matter of fact moral was very
low in Iran's 'ordoo,' but the rest of the players were so much determined to
win the game by 3 goals and hopefully go for the third game.

Now, as was mentioned by the poster - I apologize for not remembering your
name - Iran won that game 2-0 and hence could not make it to 74 World Cup in
then W. Germany.  However, our team had a chance to score the third goal as
follows:

Ebrahim Ashtiani, the right defense attacked with the ball.  He croosed the
ball (or as we say in Persian 'toop rA sAntr kard) close to the corner line.
The ball passed everyone and landed on the horizontal bar far from Ausies'
goalie.  It could be a real goal, but I suspect that day our football team
was not lucky.

Now we wait to hear what the correct answer is.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: MKO admits assassinating dissidents
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:50:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BtxCF4.7B7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>I heard this morning that Rajavi (MKO's dictator at large)
>in a TV interview has admitted that the MKO has
>been behind the assassinations of the dissidents outside of
>Iran.
>

I heard the same thing , except I heard that the guy who did all the
assasinations for MKO was (is) also a terrorist hired by Iranian Republic
of Terrorists ( IRT ) , and some unofficial news source mentioned another 
connection with Lebanees terrorist and Hezb-ollah Terrorist. I heard from
the same unofficial reporter that the name was some arabic name like 
" Al-Naser or Al-Yaser " or something like that...

So I guess the guy is getting paid by many parties !!! don't they have a
terminology for this ? humm .... What the hell do I know , 

Ramin

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