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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:39:27 GMT

In article <MeRedV30Bwxd4LKGlB@transarc.com> Brett_Reid@transarc.com writes:
>
>cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>> I just head on the evening news that Ice-T is removing "Cop Killer" from
>> the Body Count LP because Time Warners board members are getting death
>> threats from police officers.
>> 
>
>Not sure where the heck you heard it was death threats from police
>officers.  In his interview, he stated that he did it merely to relax
>the pressure that was being put on Time Warner in general.  
>
>Besides - what did the ppl do:
>
>TW Board Mem:  "Hullo?"
>Caller: "Hi - I'm with your local police department and I'm going to
>kill you."
>
>Ahh - makes sense. 
>Brett
I heard it was pulled due to "Time Warner Executives receiving death
threats from the police" on NBC during the olympic telecast!! Not sure
where you heard it differently but we sympathize with you. :)

Even Arsenio received death threats and was told don't expect help from
the police should he have ICE-T as his guest. Trust me, policemen
believe that(some policemen) actually believe they are above the law and
will do anything. Who's going to get arrest them, this may not hold true
for all situations but this one will be the exception.

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From: ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3)
Subject: Zhigge
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:43:27 GMT


I get to interview these guys next week for my show, any suggestions
what I should ask them?  Besides the normal stuff.

CK3
From: mjohnson@terapin.com (Mike Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Police seek to ban Ice-T in NZ
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:45:27 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul24.113030.9600@waikato.ac.nz>, pkingi@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>On the 'Banning Ice-T in NZ' buzz ...
>
>I heard on TV3 news last night that Ice-T's label will be sued if any cops are
>killed wherever Ice-T does 'Cop Killer'. Is that insane or what.



notonly is it insane, it doeesnt hold up to law!....Any good defense lawyer
would draw up the motley crue court decision (i think it was the crue) over
subliminal messages and negligenece and easily have the case thrown
outt....SHIt its so DAMNED silly that people will protest against the song and
still miss what hes sayin in it. That if cops go around robbing, beating and
killing at their leisure, they are merely a street gang in uniform and should
and ARE subject to the same treatment as a gang member would recieve. He is not
talking about cops that do their job, hes talking about killing criminals,
plain and simple. When NWA or some other group comes out with records talking
about doing the same thing...killing criminals the press is not nearly as
large. why? because the people their talkin about are all black, poor or both.
The minute someone puts on a uniform and a badge their superheros? someone
explain how that one works to me cuz im missing something.

PEACE!
RAN-D
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Subject: Re: Police seek to Ban Ice-T Performing In New Zealand
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:05:31 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <92204.111928U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, U19807@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.145428.26946@nrao.edu>, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu
>(Luther Miller) says:
>>
>>The most amusing thing about the entire _Cop Killer_ media hype is that
>>the song is from a Heavy Metal band, Cop Killer (lead by Ice-T). There
>
>The name of Ice-T's speed metal band is Body Count,actually....
>

Right you are, Ice_T is playing solo this time, last time they were
here a couple of years ago he played with Body Count.

>>have been plenty of songs in the past that convey negative messages about
>>the police, such as NWA's _Fuck tha Police_, and they were rap. Now the
>>media is trying to give rap a bad name for a heavy metal song.. Pretty
>>damned stupid if you ask me.
>

The reason for the ban is obviously not for the fact the song is a 
heavy rap/metal crossover song, its the lyrics the police dont like
as they believe it advocates violence towards policemen. What an
insult to the young music lovers of Enzed, who are they to tell us
what we should listen to, I say! 

>Know what I find funny and/or stupid about all this? Isn't it just a tad
>suspect that the cops would be up in arms about all this when the LAPD were
>caught beating the mortal shit out of Rodney King red-handed on video? This
>flap about "Cop Killer" doesn't sound too much like a cover-up in many ways,
>does it?
>

Interesting we are due to have another South Africian rugby tour soon,
the Springbox tour a few years ago saw violence and riot police, with
footage of people being knocked by riot police bearing truncheons. 

>BTW,since when did an amendment to the Constitution get passed that said that
>the police-or any other authority figure-had the right to abridge someone's
>first amendment rights because they said something they didn't like? Is it
>me,or does the spectre of _unelected_ officials pulling all this boycott crap
>sound like certain people are thinking they have the Divine Right Of Kings
>these days?

Yes the freedom of speech in The Waitangi Treaty (closet to the Constitution
as in NZ's own).

--
Red

" yes we can say anything we want as long its not about the government 
or police" ;-) Kevin (fellow workmate's comment)


>      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
>      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
>      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
>      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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From: goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman)
Subject: Re: Police seek to Ban Ice-T Performing In New Zealand
Keywords: Ice-T
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:12:20 GMT

trector@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Travis Rector) writes:

>Did anyone notice Geffen's comments in the paper?  He commented that record
>companies have to be "more responsible" about what music they release.  He
>then went on to compare releasing "offensive" music to selling cocaine!  Did
>anyone else see this bullshit?  Please no flames if I'm wrong, but isn't
>Guns'n'Roses signed under Geffen records?

>"Hand of Doom"

Ugh! Pay no mind to David Geffen. He's a louse.


-- 
Christopher L. Goosman                                   goose@irie.ais.org
Ann Arbor, MI USA                     University of Michigan Computing Club
     "The fools only laugh 'cause they envy you." -- Paul Weller, 1977
"You remember when?Yeah,so do I.They call those the Salad Days"Minor Threat
From: behan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Patrick Kalaher)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Punk *ss Willie From Geto Boys!
Keywords: Reverse sell-out
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:49:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I just heard about 'Fuck Rodney King' by that dude from the Geto Boys.
Is this some sort of reverse sell-out?  Is he trying to sell records by
making the most absurd statement possible at the moment, AND putting even
more tension into the Black communities across America?  Yeah, I know about
free speech and all that, but this clown is irresponsible... Does he really
understand what kind of pressure King was under?  And Legal restrictions?
This shit depresses me.
Angst,

Pat Kalaher,  Dartmouth Class of 1991
*I speak for me*
From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:38:07 GMT
Subject: Info on Releases.....
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap

 
 Peace God,

 Has anyone got any comments/reviews/release dates/marks out of 10 for the
 following :

 Epmd, Pos K, Mc Serch, House of Pain (this MUST be out somewhere by now..)

 Respeckt to: GavinM, Fedde (is it o.k now ??) and especially to the one
 and only girlie Mack, Michele, the one with all that back !


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 Run, Run, Run, your time is done son, move out for the well hung young one
 - Mixalot

 I'm back in effect hows that, i'm not Teddy Riley but i'm swinging like a
 newjack - EPMD

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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From: armd@vccsouth01.its.rpi.edu (Cap'n Tripps)
Subject: Re: Low End Theory
Reply-To: armd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:50:13 GMT

I would really like to get the lyrics for the entire album...
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ross@refine.enet.dec.com (The Vinyl Record Collector)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: EPMD Is Here....
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:40:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <fedde.712578570@Vaduz>, fedde@Vaduz.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes...
> 
>Some questions...
> 
>I saw the video for _Rampage_ and there is a guy behind those red curtains
>that actually looks like L.L, but then I wondered why you never get to see 
>his face. So that was not L.L? I really have no idea...that's why I ask.
> 
>How is the situation now between L.L and EMPD? I mean, after listening to 
>_Crossover_ you wonder if they would tolerate L.L anymore. Any disses?
> 
>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)

Yeah, I thought that might have been LL in the video too; a couple of times it
really looked like him.  Then, I read in The Source that LL stuck EPMD just
like they stuck KRS-One on the H.E.A.L. video (though, I heard that there was a
version eventually with him in it).  KRS mentioned this, which made it *very*
unofficial.  But EPMD never denied it.  Looking at the credits of the new
album, and mind you, I only looked once and could have missed it, but out of
all the shout-outs, nothing went to their 'man,' Cool J.  A very big shout-out
did go to KRS though.  And, I will have to write the quote from the album, but
they seemed to make a diss at LL type of artists, which may have included Kane
too, 'cause I don't think he got no shout-outs either.  I personally think,
after listening to, 'Crossover,' that the song is indirectly towards LL and
maybe even Kane.  Of course, no names are mentioned, so it's a take-it-as-you
see-it type of thing.

                                                    T-Dub
                                                    SGP '92
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From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Samples Galore
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:04:45 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
}ross@refine.enet.dec.com (The Vinyl Record Collector) writes:
}> If you're looking for, 'Funky Drummer,' on wax and don't mind a repressed
}> record, check out the 45 bins.  I just saw it on a 45 this past weekend.  You
}> can get a lot of classic stuff on 45's.
}*
}What's a 45 T?  An automatic?

God, I feel old now.


45's are just like 33 1/3's, except they're smaller, have a bigger hole in
the center, and turn faster.

Just look in one of the pre-CD jukeboxes...see those strange looking, round,
black things?  those are 45's.

Now, ask me what a 78 is.

Lance "Old Geezer" Franklin
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From: cavaden@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Karl Vaden)
Subject: Re: Rocker, rapper, Mrs. Vice president?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 Jul 1992 13:15 EST  

>I was amazed when they played part of the song on TV.  It *is* speed
>metal.  And sounded *good* musicly. (If you like speed metal, that is.)
>I wonder how many people have heard the whole song?  If so, can they
>say what the intro (the slow part before it kicks in) talks about?
> 
>If "cop killer" is Rap, then Wagner is Disco!
> 
>-- 
>Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
>------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
>EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)

Here you are:

"This next record is dedicated to some personal friends of mine ...the LAPD.
For every cop that has ever taken advantage of somebody  ...
beat 'em down or hurt 'em because they had long hair...listen to the 
wrong kind of music... wrong color...whatever they thought was the reason
to do it.
For every one of those fuckin' police.
I'd like to take a pig out in this parking lot and shoot 'em in their
motha fuckin' face."

So you tell me is directed to all cops like the media says?
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: 13r43@math.ucrf.edu
Subject: Upper Peninsula (Houghton , Mi , Climate)
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:11:43 GMT

A friend of mine may be relocating to Houghton Michigan.
He's curious as to how just bad the winter gets, in particular compared to  
Montreal in Canada. If someone would be kind enough to send e-mail to  
rmallier@mafalda.math.mcgill.ca (he doesn't read the net )

Thanks,
Dave
From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Early color reports
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:26:15 GMT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux) writes:

> As with much of the Midwest this summer, Iowa has been experiencing unusually
> cool weather.  I have recently seen on the news that leaves are falling in
> northern Minnesota, Wisc., and Michigan.  Can this be true?

I just returned from a trip to the Keweenaw penninsula last weekend.  I 
didn't notice if leaves were falling, but did notice several tree had 
their leaves turning color.  Several people commented on the sight.

--
Gabe Helou (pfbbs!gabe@angus.mi.org -or- ...uunet!angus!pfbbs!gabe)
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From: tjhacker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Thomas J. Hacker)
Subject: Re: Early color reports
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:06:36 GMT

In article <Bs3uAF.3zM@solbourne.com> gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) writes:
>In article <153ngiINN5i2@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>>I was in Marquette MI last weekend.  There were a few maples that had
>>single branches turn red, but from what I saw driving there was not
>>anything near the full fall color scene.
>>



I'm driving out to Saskatchewan next week....I'll keep an eye out and let you know how the vegetation is looking.  The person I'm driving out with has a sisten 
in Minot, N.D., and she said her sister said the the peas haven't come out yet, which is unusual for there...maybe I should bring my earmuffs..


-Tom

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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes,mi.misc
Subject: Re: Early color reports
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:01:24 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux) writes:
: 
: As with much of the Midwest this summer, Iowa has been experiencing unusually
: cool weather.  I have recently seen on the news that leaves are falling in
: northern Minnesota, Wisc., and Michigan.  Can this be true?

: Anybody up there willing to give a color report?

I was in Marquette MI last weekend.  There were a few maples that had
single branches turn red, but from what I saw driving there was not
anything near the full fall color scene.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 741 1120
"We believe in: rough concensus and running code."  Dave Clark on the IETF
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From: sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux)
Subject: Early color reports
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:15:18 GMT

Greetings!

As with much of the Midwest this summer, Iowa has been experiencing unusually
cool weather.  I have recently seen on the news that leaves are falling in
northern Minnesota, Wisc., and Michigan.  Can this be true?

Anybody up there willing to give a color report?

Steve



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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: Early color reports
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:13:27 GMT

In article <153ngiINN5i2@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>I was in Marquette MI last weekend.  There were a few maples that had
>single branches turn red, but from what I saw driving there was not
>anything near the full fall color scene.
>

Just got back from a long weekend in Beulah, MI (about 35 miles
west of Traverse City).  Weather was in the 70's most days, with
one day in the 60s.  Predicted possible *frost* later this week.
Trees were green, although a TC weatherman said that some
places in the UP have the beginnings of fall colors.

I'm going back second week of october - hope the leaves are still on
the trees then!

Andy
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From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Upper Peninsula (Houghton , Mi , Climate)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:50:51 GMT

Cold. Snow everywhere. Lots of snowplows everywhere. low salt usage on roads.
snows most days, at least a flurry or two. though it's been getting better
in past years, I hear. we're down to only a couple hundred inches of snow a year
or something like that. I dunno, I lose count after the first 10 feet.
We made it into an L.L. Bean catalog a couple years back as one of those
feature places where they test their arctic gear.
Never been to montreal, so I can't make a comparison.

-- 
= Jeffery Bacon       General Systems Hack - C&EE, ME, ChemEng/Chemistry, MTU =
= bacon@mtu.edu, bacon@mtus5.bitnet        ph-(906)487-2197 fax-(906)487-2822 =
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From: steve@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Steve Lasich)
Subject: Re: Early color reports
X-bbs-room: Great Lakes Net (room #202)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:22:01 EDT
Organization: Great White North/UPLink

bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:

>In article <153ngiINN5i2@nigel.msen.com>, emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>> sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux) writes:
>> : 
>> : As with much of the Midwest this summer, Iowa has been experiencing unusually
>> : cool weather.  I have recently seen on the news that leaves are falling in
>> : northern Minnesota, Wisc., and Michigan.  Can this be true?
>> 
>> : Anybody up there willing to give a color report?
>> 
>> I was in Marquette MI last weekend.  There were a few maples that had
>> single branches turn red, but from what I saw driving there was not
>> anything near the full fall color scene.
>> 
>>   Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
>>         Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 741 1120
>> "We believe in: rough concensus and running code."  Dave Clark on the IETF
>> 

>is it just me, or does the fact that this discussion is taking place at
>all seem just completely absurd? I mean, it's not even AUGUST yet...we have
>two full months to go yet!!

>wonder what winter's gonna be like this year.

>-- 
>= Jeffery Bacon       General Systems Hack - C&EE, ME, ChemEng/Chemistry, MTU =
>= bacon@mtu.edu, bacon@mtus5.bitnet        ph-(906)487-2197 fax-(906)487-2822 =

Enough, I say.  Enough.  I work at Northern Michigan University in
Marquette.  Maple leaves turn this time every year and in just the way
Ed V. described.  You drive down the road and see green maple trees with
one branch all changed red.  The maples always go first.

A big maple outside the building I work in changes color completely
every year before August.  I took a picture of it last year in full
burning red glory on August 1st.  This year the tree is actually a
little behind its color change pace from last year.

My point?  

	A) The maples turn red in July every year; and
	2) People are always surprised.

Steve Lasich, acsl@bitnet, steve@lopez.marquette.mi.us
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From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Early color reports
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:44:15 GMT

In article <153ngiINN5i2@nigel.msen.com>, emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
> sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux) writes:
> : 
> : As with much of the Midwest this summer, Iowa has been experiencing unusually
> : cool weather.  I have recently seen on the news that leaves are falling in
> : northern Minnesota, Wisc., and Michigan.  Can this be true?
> 
> : Anybody up there willing to give a color report?
> 
> I was in Marquette MI last weekend.  There were a few maples that had
> single branches turn red, but from what I saw driving there was not
> anything near the full fall color scene.
> 
>   Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
>         Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 741 1120
> "We believe in: rough concensus and running code."  Dave Clark on the IETF
> 

is it just me, or does the fact that this discussion is taking place at
all seem just completely absurd? I mean, it's not even AUGUST yet...we have
two full months to go yet!!

wonder what winter's gonna be like this year.

just freezing my butt off in the Great Soon-To-Be-White North (and loving it)

-- 
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