HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 23:15:26 CDT
From: Parisa Sepehri <U33720@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: SAGSSHEN: old friend locater service!

Doostaneh Arjomand;

   I have a suggestion; why don't we keep a file on one of  the
public accessible nodes(maybe Tehran) to help people find their old
friends from Iran or elsewhere.
A possible format of this file could be:

                      if you
inform                know of          descrptions, NESHOONIs
-------               --------         -----------------------
fardad
u33720@uic.uicvm.edu   NAEEM DAILAMI   From ERMEGAN high school in TEHRAN
                                          good tennis player ...
                         .
                         .
                         .

 What do you think about this. i know i have a lot of friends I like to
get in touch with.

Fardad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: Trip to Iran (Moafi)
Keywords: Moafi
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.220345.2664@cbnewse.cb.att.com> majid@cbnewse.cb.att.com (majid.safavi) writes:
>Friends,
>
>Does anyone know what are  the latest rules, regulation, and prices
>for getting a temporary or permanent Moafi. Do you know anybody who
>has done it and how long does it take to do it in Iran.
>I have been trying to call the consulate in DC, but the phone is always 
>busy. So, if you have any information please post it.
>
>ps, Do you know what is the last year that is Moaf? I have heard 1333.
>
>
>Majid Safavi


The latest I heard was you pay $16,500.00 = 20,000,000.00 Rials to get 
permanent MoAfi. BTW, there are not any more temperory MoAfi. It does
not take long to get MoAfi. It only takes 1 day to take care of that.

Does anyone know any institution who finance such an asset? :). Please let
me know.

Best regard
Amir
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 10:56:23 EST
From: <KFALAVAR@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Distribution: world

How could some one sign up?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed )
Subject: Re: Fundamentals WUZ Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Summary: Atash bas(pleeeezz)
Keywords: jangeh khAnegi
Organization: naghAl khooneh
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:46:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.235045.1688@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> 
aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:

                  [Aref's "mabsoot" reply to KAve deleted]


Aref jAn,

Now that a civil war at SCI seems inevitable amoo has decided to fish in
"Abeh gel-Alood". According to the new environmental laws all public 
establishments are required to remove asbestos-containing materials from 
their buildings. Since our ghahveh khooneh is also a publically utilized 
facility we have been removing considerable amounts of asbestos from it as 
well. I thought with the tone of the articles exchanged between you and 
KAve, and in anticipation of the upcoming sizzling flames, we all could use 
some asbestos as a means of anti-flame protection. I am just hoping that now 
that the war between Bahaism and IslAm is near a truce at SCI the intra-
islamic war won't last too long either. Meanwhile, we will be giving away 
free asbestos at "dahaneyeh jonoobiyeh ghanveh khooneh".

khoonsard bAsheed,

amoo


P.S.   It is indeed unfortunate that a sarcastic exchange between Ahmad 
       AghA and Mr. Anwar Saleh is leading to a new civil war at SCI.

P.S.1  Amoo has contacted Sar DAroogheh MamdAli regarding the potential
       civil unrest. He will send a couple of "AjAn"s to protect the both 
       sides of the conflict. I just hope there will be no looting 
       afterwards because we are already broke!  

P.S.2  For some reason Lloyds of London through which our ghahveh 
       khooneh is insured has declined our urgent request to extend the 
       coverage to "damage due to a war". HooshyAr jAn, any idea why?
From: towfiq@nighthawk.clearpoint.com (Mark Towfiq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:02:56 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corporation


  [I was going to quote every relevent piece of text, but in the
interests of keeping this short and to the point, I will not.]

  Zafar said that there are contradictions in The Baha'i Faith, and
when asked to give an example, quoted (part of) a response from me and
(part of a response) from Saied Yazdanmehr, and cited the two as
example of such a contradiction.  He then went on to say:

ztm> this is a blatant contradiction. mark says that bahaullah
ztm> perfomed miracles while saeid says that there are no such things
ztm> as miracles in the first place.  this is one of the
ztm> contradictions. it would not be important if the bahai religion
ztm> did not discuss the nature of miracles and anyone could say what
ztm> he wanted as a matter of personal belief, but this is not the
ztm> case, mark says that bahaullah performed miracles as such bahais
ztm> had better believe in the existence of miracles. but saied is
ztm> telling farzin to go talk to some bahais and confirm the truth of
ztm> his statement that bahais do not believe in miracles in the first
ztm> place.

  All of this is cleared up by the passage in my posting which you
chose to delete.  Here it is again:

      Baha'u'llah also speaks in this Tablet about miracles which are
    attributed to the Prophets.  He states that one should not deny
    the performance of miracles by these Holy Souls, but emphasizes
    that miracles are not a conclusive proof of the authenticity of
    Their Messages.  The greatest and the most evident sign of
    Prophethood has always been the Revelation of the Word of God.

  Saied is talking about the fact that miracles are not a conclusive
proof of the truth of a Manifestation of God when he says, "as a
Baha'i I do not believe in miracles".

  So Zafar, if you do actually find any contradictions, please do
inform us.  Your investigation of The Baha'i Faith might be good for
all of us.

Mark
--
Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Clearpoint.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

O EMIGRANTS!  The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not
with detraction.  If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults
and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his
own self better than he knoweth others.
		-- Baha'u'llah, Persian Hidden Words, #66
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XLI
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:57:07 GMT
Organization: Mars People International.


	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			86

	After a momentary silence spake
	Some Vessel of a more ungainly Make;
	"They sneer at me for learning all awry:
	"What! did the Hand then of the Potter shake?"

			87

	Whereat some one of the loquacious Lot---
	I think a Sufi pipkin---waxing hot---
	"All this of Pot and Potter---Tell me, then,
	"Who is the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?"

			88

	"Why," said another, "Some there are who tell
	"Of one who threatens he will toss to Hell
	"The luckless Pots he marr'd in making---Pish!
	"He's a Good Fellow, and 't will all be well."

			89

	"Well," murmur'd one, "Let whoso make or buy,
	"My Clay with long Oblivion is gone dry:
	"But fill me with the old familiar Juice,
	"Methinks I might recover by and by."


			*****
From: hassibi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Babak Hassibi)
Subject: Looking for a friend...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 01:07:59 GMT


Salam,

	I am looking for a friend named Mehran Mesbahi. He came to the States 
in 1984, and studied at USC (I believe). Any info that you may have would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Babak
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iran's Non-oil Exports
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:00:15 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

There was a discussion here about the real dollar vaue of Iran's
non-oil exports. As a followup I like to quote the following report
from the most recent issue of (july 23) Kayhan (London Edition)
This newspaper gets most of its economic reports from Kayhan-HAvaii
or other official  IRI sources.

In this issue the dollar value of non-oil exports in the first quarter
of the current Iranian year is quoted as 532 million dollars and its
equivalent Rial value is quoted as 37 billion (milliard) Rials.
A simple calculation shows that the figure of 532 million dollar
is based on the exchange rate of 70 Rials/US dollar (37000/532 =69.5).
The equivalent Rial value of 532 million dollars based on floating
dollar rate of (1400 rials/dollar) would be 745 billion rials.

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Olympic Fever
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:18:09 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

While watching the openning ceremony (in part), I couldn't escape a feeling of
shame when I noticed the presence of Nelson Mandela applauding the re-admission
of the post-apartheid South Africa in the games, and contrasting it with the
fact that the Iranian team represent an apartheid-like sporting regime
discriminating against women and minorities like the Baha'is.

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: China Bank Orders NCR ATMs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:01:17 GMT


WAN CHAI, HONG KONG, 1992 JUL 27 (NB) -- The People's Construction 
Bank of China (PCBC) has ordered 121 NCR automated teller machines 
and 14 NCR System 3000 computers in a contract worth $9 million. 
It is said that the new machines will give PCBC one of the largest 
ATM networks in China and the biggest in Guangdong province.

PCBC was founded in 1954 to raise funds for large infrastructure
projects and operates directly under the authority of the State
Council. Since 1987, it has been active for both domestic and joint
venture customers.

This order, which follows a $1 million signing by PCBC last year for
16 NCR ATMs, will help the bank to expand its ATM network to cities
throughout Guangdong province.

"Having reviewed and compared all the alternatives, PCBC decided to
base its ATM operation on NCR systems because of their excellent
performance and reliability," said Zhou Jinghua, computer 
director of PCBC's Guangdong Branch. "With this series of high
performance systems, the bank will establish the largest ATM network
in Guangdong and further enhance the quality of its customer service."

The People's Construction Bank will offer its large corporate
customers the option of paying salaries by direct credit to employees'
bank accounts. Branches in Guangdong are said to have seen business
increase noticeably after installing ATMs.

An initial 12 System 3000 computers and 61 ATMs will be installed this
year with the remainder added in early in 1993. PCBC will migrate
from its existing computer system based on Bull and Unisys machines to
NCR System 3000 computers for more efficient processing of savings
accounts, accounting and transaction management.

"As a long standing partner in China, NCR has been working closely
with its banking industry and has played a major role in the
automation of many business sectors," said Michael J.I. Lee, managing
director of NCR (China) Ltd. "This is a significant order that
emphasizes NCR's close working relationship with several major banks
on the mainland, especially in the Guangdong region."

"This cooperation is growing rapidly across the province as
businesses improve their operational efficiency through massive
computerization programs," he said.

NCR's ATM systems are said to account for 95 percent off all ATMs in
Hong Kong and 30 percent of those around the rest of the world.


-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is (3)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:05:47 GMT


Continuation from part 2:

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian), you write:

>No wonder Abdul-Baha received the title of "Knighthood" from British
>Government.          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^
Shoghi Effendi mentions this event in "God Passes By" as follows:

Nor were the British authorities slow to express their appreciation 
of the role which 'Abdu'l-Baha had played in allaying the burden of 
suffering that had oppressed the inhabitants of the Holy Land during 
the dark days of that distressing conflict. The conferment of a knight-
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hood upon Him at a ceremony specially held for His sake in Haifa, at 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the residence of the British Governor, at which notables of various 
communities had assembled; the visit paid Him by General and Lady 
Allenby, who were His guests at luncheon in Bahji, and whom He conducted
to the Tomb of Baha'u'llah; the interview at His Haifa residence
between Him and King Feisal who shortly after became the ruler of 'Iraq; 
the several calls paid Him by Sir Herbert Samuel (later Viscount Samuel 
of Carmel) both before and after his appointment as High Commissioner 
for Palestine; His meeting with Lord Lamington who, likewise, called 
upon Him in Haifa, as well as with the then Governor of Jerusalem, Sir 
Ronald Storrs; the multiplying evidence of the recognition of His high 
and unique position by all religious communities, whether Muslim, 
Christian or Jewish; the influx of pilgrims who, from East and West, 
flocked to the Holy Land in comparative ease and safety to visit the 
Holy Tombs [i.e. of Baha'u'llah and The Bab] in 'Akka and Haifa, to 
pay their share of homage to Him, to celebrate the signal protection 
vouchsafed by Providence to the Faith and its followers, and to give 
thanks for the final emancipation of its Head and world Center from 
Turkish yoke - these contributed, each in its own way, to heighten the 
prestige which the Faith of Baha'u'llah had been steadily and gradually 
acquiring through the inspired leadership of 'Abdu'l-Baha.
				God Passes By, pages 306-307

The reason for Abdu'l-Baha receiving knighthood by the English was His
humanitarian efforts in feeding the population of the Holy Land and 
preventing famine. 

This is one of the reasons that the burial of Abdu'l-Baha was attended 
by EVERY notable and high official in that region. Please refer to the 
newspaper accounts of this even printed in Egypt and Palestine. There 
is a reason I quoted this quotation at length here. There is a saying 
from Prophet Muhammad wherein He says something to the extent: The 
number of people following the dead to the burial ground speaks of his 
greatness.
						Part 3 of 12
From: cheever@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Persian Music
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:14:16 EST
Summary: hunting for information Marufie's Music
Organization: Western Michigan University



This is a request for information on a Persian composer and pianiast by the 
name of Marufie I would like to know if he is still living and where I could
get copies of his piano music that have not been simplified, but are in the 
original versions as he played them.
From: KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu (Kayvon Z. Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: SAGSSHEN: old friend locater service!
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:01:21 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <92210.231526U33720@uicvm.uic.edu>, Parisa Sepehri
<U33720@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>Doostaneh Arjomand;
>
>   I have a suggestion; why don't we keep a file on one of  the
>public accessible nodes(maybe Tehran) to help people find their old
>friends from Iran or elsewhere.
>A possible format of this file could be:
>
>                      if you
>inform                know of          descrptions, NESHOONIs
>-------               --------         -----------------------
>fardad
>u33720@uic.uicvm.edu   NAEEM DAILAMI   From ERMEGAN high school in TEHRAN
>                                          good tennis player ...
>                         .
>                         .
>                         .
>
> What do you think about this. i know i have a lot of friends I like to
>get in touch with.
>
>Fardad


I remember once some body out there was trying to make a dBase file of
all the people in SCI. I think we could put that in Tehran directory
as well.

BTW, does any body know what happened to FAQ file of SCI?

k1
---
------------------------------------------------------------
KAYVON Z. SADEGHI                  K.SADEGHI@IEEE.ORG
VOICE: 202/244-0789
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXIV
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:39:50 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			58

	And lately, by the Tavern Door Agape,
	Came shining through the Dusk an Angel Shape
	Bearing a Vessel on his Shoulder; and
	He bid me taste of it; and 'twas---the Grape!

			59

	The Grape that can with Logic absolute
	The Two-and-Seventy jarring Sects confute:
	The sovereign Alchemist that in a trice
	Life's leaden metal into Gold transmute:

			60

	The mighty Mahmud, Allah-bearing Lord,
	That all the misbelieving and black Horde
	Of Fears and Sorrows that infest the Soul
	Scatters before him with his whirlwind Sword.

			61

	Why, be this Juice the growth of God, who dare
	Blaspheme the twisted tendril as a Snare?
	A Blessing, we should use it, should we not?
	And if a Curse---why, then, who set it there?


			*****




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: aj3u@ruby.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Subject: Re: Headline News About Iran, July 29th, 1992.
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:15:03 GMT

In article <sehari.712402862@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
> 6. PRESIDENT BUSH TO HOST TWO-DAY MEETING FOR ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER RABIN
> 7. HAITIANS WITH AIDS AWAIT COURT RULING AMID POLITICS AND DELAYS
> 8. GERMAN STEEL COMPANY HOESCH APPROVES MERGER WITH KRUPP
> 9. ROMANIA INTENDS TO BUY TWO MILLION TONS OF IRANIAN OIL FOR 1993
> 10. IRANIANS REPORTEDLY INVENT DEVICE FOR EARLY DETECTION OF BREAST CANCER
> 11. IRAN STATISTICS CENTER RELEASES DATA ON AGRICULTURE
> 

What is the significance of "reportedly" in item (11)?  Why is
this word used?  What subtle agenda has it been motivated by?
From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The shooting down of Iranian Airliner.
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:24:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul26.182457.22349
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul25.193443.22956@athena.mit.edu> 
romel@athena.mit.edu (Romik Sarkezians) writes:

>Hi there,
>
>The other day I was listening to a Radio talk show about the downing of Iranian
>Airliner over Persian Gulf and subsequent disinformation to sort of lessen the 
>guilt of U.S(Warship). One question that was raised and still bothers me was
>that why the bodies that appeared in the water were naked. Was that the normal
>aftermath of disintegration of the plane or there is something strange or 
>peculiar about that?. I have seen only one picture, that in the NewsWeek, and I
>was wondering are there more than one picture of this tragedy showing bodies
>in the state of nakedness? 
>

Sudden and massive decompression at the plane cabin at high altitude
has the effect of sucking the passengers (and for that matter anything
else) out in a very vigorous manner.  This is because the artificially
maintained atmosphere inside the plane has a higher air pressure than
the atmosphere surrounding the plane.  The Airbus was hit by two
missiles and disintegrated in midair, giving rise to this phenomena;
tearing away the cloths the passengers had on them.  

-Payman
From: sharok@ee.ualberta.ca (S. Sharoki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More on the Bahais and the Criminal Khomeini
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:51:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:


>	You are right about  the differences between Ahmadis and the
>	Bahais. The similarities between the Ahmadis and the Bahais
>	which I talked about that both of them were created by the 
>	British to serve the exploitation of the countries concerned.

>	The same way Khomeini was made by France and the USA because 
>	they knew the Shah of Iran was finished and the Iranian people
>	are going to topple him and replace him by a descent regime to
>	serve the people of Iran so they brought the Khomeini to ruin
>	Iran and kill 100s of thousands of Iranian.

>	Before Khomeini came to Iran he was the Guest of Honour of
>	France, the same France that Killed 2 million Muslim Algerians.
>	The French were looking after Khomeini so when the USA decides
>	to change the Shah so Khomeini can be flown to Iran and they
>	DID.

>	The Khomeinist, the Bahais and the Ahmadis are all the making
>	of the Colonials who do not wish the Midle East any good so they
>	will all ( Khomeinists Bahais and Ahmadis ) go to the Gutter of
>	History.

>A Jaber

		You make a hell of political analists. I see a
		very bright future for you. You should probably 
		give up the phd and pursue a courier in political
		analysis.

		/SS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi)
Subject: Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:44:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

>
>Anwar,
>
>Now we know what condom is, thank you. I never thought I would learn
>the meaning of condom from a dedicated moslem like you in a public
>forum. 
>
>Since you have proven your expertise in condom-mology and sexual matters
>may be you can enlighten us (amre-beh-ma'roof) by answering the following
>questions:
>
>- How far a moslem man can peneterate during a sexual intercourse 
   while fasting?
>- Does wearing a condom change the permitted amount of penetration while i
   fasting?
>- Can you elaborate on the correct precedure for "ghoosl" (cleaning i
   procedure in Islam) 
>  after having sex with animals as pointed out in "hallol_ma'sAel". i
   I am sure some
>  of those 1000,000,000 moslems are not quite clear on this issue which i
   is raised
>  but not completely explained by "marAjeh taghleed" in their "hallol_ma'sAel.
>- Does wearing a condom change the above procedure? 
>- Is wearing a lambskin condom permitted if the lamb was not Islamically
>  slaughtered? (zebheh eslAmi)
>
> If you find the above questions ridiculus, as I do, then refer to 
> your Islamic teachings as discussed in "hallol_ma'sAel".  
>
>-Ahmad AghA 

In case you think this is funny, let me enlighten you: what you are
doing is providing grist for the mill of all the 'trendy' racists who
think Muslims are a bunch of fanatical half wits, to be forever kept
in check by force. Let me remind you that making fun of people's
beliefs is the first step to treating them as subhumans who can not be
trusted with control of their own lives.

In case you are so blinded by hatred that you cannot see the obvious,
remember this: if and when the US decides to bomb the hell out of
Iran, they will be using the kind of imagery and that you have provided
to justify their act: these were a bunch of camel fucking animals anyway.

Shame on you.

Mash Bagher