HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mork@shell.portal.com (James Paul Mork)
Subject: The Suburbs Collection
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:33:37 GMT



    This may be of limited interest.  The Suburbs' hits collection
    is now out on CD... which is hard to believe.    I just got it.

    The songs are from 1978 - 1984... In Combo, Dream Hog, Love Is The Law,
    Credit...

    Included are "Love is the Law", "Music for Boys", "Rattle My Bones",
    "Cows", "Waiting", "The Best is Over"...

    There are 19 songs total...  Nothing after the Love is the Law album
    (which doesn't bother me... I liked the earlier stuff better).

jPm
From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Et Ego in Arcadia....
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

Ken Warkentyne writes:
>Yes, he or she should be honking about IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON
>KING, the album that inspired a bunch of school kids to do more of
>the same.  It would probably be more interesting to discuss the
>origins of Crimso: was it just that Fripp decided to place some
>of the bombastic elements of Romanticism in a rock setting, or
>did he steal the idea from someone else?  Do Crimso fans know
>who Gustav Holst was?

Hey - good question [I'm still mulling over the Soft Machine,
reminding myself that I've not actually uncorked the bottle or
Merlot and really sat in at home with "Third" for some time. I'll
take this as a reminder]. The question about Holst is, I think, more
applicable to KC version I than the later work. But all of this is
just an excuse to mention that the promised 4 disc set of live 1973-74
recordings "The Great Deceiver" has finally appeared. As I always do,
I here eschew objectivity and remind you all of my dotage: I saw them
twice at the Auditorium theatre in Chicago during both years with absolutely
zero pharmaceuticals to cloud the experience; they were and remain one
of the most intense live experiences of seeing and hearing music that
I ever had. This set of stuff is, for me, immensely satisfying - it
beats the living beejeepers out of the sound quality of the occasional
bootleg I've acquired, and the playing is *wonderful*. You've got to 
be willing to sit through some duplicated material [you jazz boxed set
owners are familiar with this, no doubt], but hey. Whatta band. I even
sat all the way through the endless parade of stuff in the booklet.
I'd really not characterize myself as anything approaching the drooling
Crimhead (save for my feelings about them as a live unit in the quintet/
quartet days), but this is *fantastic* stuff. It *almost* is enough for
me to say something elegaic about Progressive Rock [which, as longtime
readers know, I'm not exactly wild about - the worst excesses and 
flapdoodle of the stinking corpse of Romanticism grafted directly to 
the most ridiculous excesses of egoism associated with those brief days
when folks actually believed that Rock could Change the World]. ****
--
-The world exhausts everything except my eyes/because it is a long walk to the
world/begun before I was born. In the far corner/the dead woman bows off stage
The television/crumples into a white dot as the last/train of the evening - my
train, is announced/I lived in one place. I want to die in another 608-828-3385
Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:27544 rec.music.cd:7712
From: karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.cd
Subject: Best record of all time(4th)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:46:21 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

Hello, I'm conducting another poll.

I want to compile a Top (whatever) list of albums and the such.
Unlike last time, send in your top ten albums in order.

It'll be scored nearly the same way, 15-14-13-12-etc plus a point for every
extra you give.  Actually, it would be best to keep this
extra list under ten, it was a pain trying to compile that part.

And if it's a multi record/cd set, don't separate them.

Anyway, I'll be posting this request every week and the final results will
be posted in December 5. Votes will be accepted until December 3.
Encourage as many people as you can to enter; I had 60 people send 
in ballots in time last time.

I will reply with a thank you note and the number of ballot you were
so you can get an idea of how long the countdown will be.

I'm hoping for about 100 responses... by the way, if you vote an album
#1 that no one else votes for, it will be put in a supplemental list
at the end of the post of the final rankings (as seen on the previous
ranking list)

It was suggested that I post this request in the alt.music.* newsgroups;
however, these newsgroups seemed to be specialized groups for particular
bands, so I've decided to keep the poll within the "neutral site" newsgroups.

-- 
When I was I child, I caught a fleeting glimpse out of the corner of my eye. 
I turned to look, but it was gone.	/----------------------------------- 
I cannot put my finger on it now.	|karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu
The child has grown; the dream is gone.	|"Pink isn't well..."
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: New GENESIS Live CD
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:00:12 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

I heard that a new Genesis live CD is supposed to be released soon.
When?  And it should be a 'Vol 1' CD.  Does this mean they will come
out with additional live CDs.  And, is there any specific order in
these live CDs, like titles from the early 70s on the first, late
70s on the second aso.?

-- Veit


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Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:27791 rec.music.newage:3785 rec.music.folk:7938
From: krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: looking for the celts/subpop
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:59:16 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Nov17.141013.1897@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
    echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides) writes:
)I have a problem. Last year on world cafe, I heard a group called the celts. 
)They're are on the label subpop (i'm sure), but I think it was only a UK 
)distribution. Before you all start to tell me about ANOTHER group called the 
)celts also, hear me out.
)     This group is not even a group at all. It's a collaboration of a UK folk 
)singer and a producer (?). They've only produced one album (as far as I know). 
)I called world cafe several times to send me their play list catalog, but no 
)response, ever. No one in the US seems to know what I'm talking about.

From the faltering organic database, I can't retrieve *anything* connecting
the word, or the concept, of the Celts with the SubPop label.  
I've never heard of SubPop doing anything folkier than The Walkabouts.

Your description of the "group" as a UK folk-singer plus producer makes
it sound like "Mouth Music".  On their debut album MOUTH MUSIC the 
singer was transplanted American Talitha MacKenzie, who I'd never heard
of before; on the followup ep BLUE DOOR, GREEN SEA the vocalist was 
Scottish singer Mairi MacInnes.  I think Martin Swan is the name of the 
producer and wielder of electronics.  Both discs have lyrics in Gaelic, and
both are available on Rykodisc in the USA.   Gaelic is a Celtic language,
but there's no connection to SubPop here...


-- 
--Ken Josenhans
    Internet: 13020KRJ@msu.edu      Bitnet: 13020KRJ@msu
From: nschaper@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Asia's touring lineup ???
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:47:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1992Nov16.224740.44861
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Asia in going to be playing at a mid-sized bar in Kansas City on Dec. 3.  I
would appreciate it if someone would post or send me e-mail saying what their
current touring lineup is.  Is Steve Howe with them???

Thanks.

Neil Schaper
nschaper@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:28012 alt.music.alternative:15978
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:26:50 EST
From: Scott Wilson <SDW2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Bands with self-titled songs?
 <1992Nov16.190039.10753@raven.alaska.edu> <BxvpqD.Ayn@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
 <1992Nov18.164902.5920@news.eng.convex.com>

How about these?

My Army of Lovers  by Army of Lovers
Living in a Box by Living in a Box

and the ultimate in redundancy (sp?)

Talk Talk by Talk Talk

Scott Wilson
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Need Songs About Sailing/Boats
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:06:15 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov19.222117.9549@netcom.com> petersen@netcom.com (Barbara Petersen) writes:
 
|Hiya....  I'm making a tape for a friend of mine who's a (recreational)
|sailor, and thought it would be amusing to include some songs about
|sailing and boats.... things like 
|"Come Sail Away" by Styx 
|"Sail On" by The Commodores

"Sailing" - Christopher Cross

Even though many of his songs are not about sailing nothing seems to sound
as good on a sailboat as Jimmy Buffett.


-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: stewarte@sco.COM (just a guy made of dots and lines)
Subject: Return of the R*sh Wars (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Captain Napalm's Thermonuclear League of Liberty
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:16:30 GMT


After overdosing on Halcion, cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) typed:
>In <1992Nov16.233604.5983@pellns.alleg.edu> mcadamw@coch5.alleg.edu (William McAdams) writes:
>
>>Niel Peart's lyrics are a load of pretentious shite, [...]

>>10.Rush- just kidding......
>
>Prejudiced bastard...I bet that if you heard Rush (and I doubt
>you ever have) you probably heard a couple minutes of one
>song. Maybe this was all you could stand. Go back to your
>coloring books and crayons.

Why is it that Rush fans always assume that people who don't
like Rush just haven't heard them?  That if we sat down and
listened, the gleaming light of Rush's greatness would shine
into our souls so brightly that we could no longer deny it?

For the record, I've heard quite a bit of Rush over the years,
although blissfully not since graduating from college, and can 
still even hum bits of several songs, not that I want to.  It's
this firsthand exposure that leads me to concur that they are
a load of pretentious shite.  No prejudice necessary.

In My Humble Opinion, of course.

-- Stewart
-- 
"The same guy who was telling me how Neil Pert was the greatest living
 poet later sanded 1/4" of skin off his fingertips on the belt sander."
				-- bigstar@u.washington.edu
/*  uunet!sco!stewarte  -or-  stewarte@sco.COM  -or-  Stewart Evans  */
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Leo Lends a Hand (was Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:21:50 GMT

David Baggett...

> Regardless of how vocal you people have been in this group, you do not
> own it, and you don't make the rules.  Such things are agreed upon
> by the community at large, and are easily accesible.  Read them.

Zzzz-zz-zz.  Dave, can I call you Dave?, you and MIT dont make the rules
either.  Stalemate!  If you don't like what I, Clay, Leo, Ray, et al. write,
don't read our articles.  I promise not to change my login id in an attempt
to end-run around your kill file.  Clay, though, master of a thousand
Usenet disguises can't be held to that promise though.  (Here's a hint for
filtering out Clay's posts: all of his id's start with "MB".)

-dx
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Yet more 10 best bands of all time
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:20:52 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

	The Beatles
	Queen
	The Rolling Stones
	Pink Floyd
	Abba
	Guns'N'Roses
	The Who
	The Beach Boys
	Madness
	Right Said Fred

	This list is based on how much influence, popularity
	and so on each band seemed/seems to have. I've tried
	to make this list objective - it isn't a list of
	my personal tastes... 
				Jonathan Morris
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: New Category Rec.Music.Buffett,Taylor etal.
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:04:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Why not dedicate a section of Rec.Music to TheSouthern/Country/Island/
Rock/Relaxing music typefied by Taylor, Buffett, Marley and Reggae artists in
general etc, basically all of the music I like we can call it
rec.music.stuffmikelikes
-- 
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:27599 ca.wanted:1456 rec.music.marketplace:2284 su.market:1302 ba.market.misc:8595 misc.forsale:31256
From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,ca.wanted,rec.music.marketplace,alt.forsale,su.market,ba.market.misc,misc.forsale
Subject: DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SELL ME THEIR CROWDED HOUSE CD?  I NEED THE SONG "DON'T DREAM IT'S OVER"
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:40:08 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

Hello everyone,

I can't find the Crowded House CD that has the song "Don't Dream It's Over"
on it in any store.  Will anyone sell it to me?  Also, I'd like Bryan Adams'
"Reckless" CD.

Thanks...

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: ola@lesti.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Re: Mark Brzezicki (drummer) question
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:31:20

In article <1992Nov20.160216.23597@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> courtney@podunk.cps.msu.edu (Jonathan Courtney) writes:
>  Does anyone know the whereabouts of Mark Brzezicki (former?) drummer for

  Saw him drumming for Procol Harum last summer. If I remember
correctly he also plays on their latest album, "The Prodigal
Stranger".

>							Jon
--
      Ola Rinta-Koski   ola@vipunen.hut.fi 
    "Americans pay less for gear, electronic goods, CD's, clothes, etc.
     than the rest of us because it is their legal right as free citizens.
     It's somewhere in the Constitution."  -- Nick Rothwell

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:11:34 GMT

In <1992Nov16.233604.5983@pellns.alleg.edu> mcadamw@coch5.alleg.edu (William McAdams) writes:

>Niel Peart's lyrics are a load of pretentious shite, stop
>wasting bandwidth with a pointless defense of them. What the
>hell was your point in printing that useless, out-of-context,
>philosophical pearl of wisdom from a pseudo-intellectual? Are
>we supposed to be impressed, by that drivel?

Can we say FLAME BAIT?!?!?!?!?

"Pretentious shite" (sic)

Are we supposed to be impressed by your obvious lack of
knowledge and stupidity. (and I'm not talking about your
lack of spelling/typing skills!)

>5.The Clash- exciting,  

"exciting?"

>6.The Velvet Underground- invented "alternative"
>7.R.E.M.- today's best band

Wow, it seems you know a little bit about music. Congratulations,
you have now hit a sigle after striking out 20 times in a row!

>10.Rush- just kidding......

Prejudiced bastard...I bet that if you heard Rush (and I doubt
you ever have) you probably heard a couple minutes of one
song. Maybe this was all you could stand. Go back to your
coloring books and crayons.

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:10:33 GMT

In <4244@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>In article <falcon.722310430@camelot> falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

>>that is fine... discourse is good and important... but expressing your
>>opinions under the impression that they are the only 'correct' opinions is
>>very closed minded...

>Look, if I'm guilty of this, then every person posting to this newsgroup
>is guilty of this.  (IN MY OPINION.)  Look, this is getting silly.  Someone
>(I won't say who, 'cause I promised him in email not to rag on him anymore)
>made a claim, I made a counter-claim, he countered by saying "I haven't heard
>the music you talk about and yet I still know it's unimportant".  THIS
>is the height of the close-mindedness you're talking about.

and i am guilty of it as well i am sure...if he has never even heard it
then yes that is closed minded... but if he has (which is what i think) and
then decides that he doesn't like it then no that isn't closed minded...

>>no.. that isn't true at all... opinions can be changed

>But you're missing the point.  The opinions couldn't be changed because
>the mind in question was not open to any new information.  THAT is stupid,
>and it's ignorant, and I said so.

yes i agree with you there...

>>... i have a fairly
>>extensive music collection (compared to most that i know) and the music i
>>listen to tends to shift from time to time.. this means that my opinions
>>are changing and when people are exposed to new forms of music (or other
>>ideas for that matter) they might find one that they like... that is tha
>>validity of discussion...

>And that's exactly what I was *doing*!  

i don't necessarily disagree with what you were doing.. i had a problem
more with how you did it...

>>>I don't express anything as a "universal truth", I back up my assertions
>>>with facts.
>>
>>there are no facts Mr. Shea... only perceptions...


>I perceive you to be a spineless git who hides behind existentialism when
>his arguments start to crumble.

hardly... i only hide behind existentialism because that is what i beleive
in... i haven't really seen my arguments start to crumble yet... again you
may disagree with me there but that is not my problem... and if that is
your opinion of me fine... i disagree with you, and i hope that you will
see differently in the future but you might not...
From: clark@cme.nist.gov (Steve Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: When is the new Tori Amos due out?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:16:26 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
In-reply-to: rudolph@cyan.Berkeley.EDU's message of 15 Nov 92 21:40:14 GMT

Actually, Tori has indicated in several recent interviews that she's
only begun to even think about a new album.  She wants to do something
completely different, probably with only the piano.  So don't hold
your breath.

A long-form video and a songbook were recently released, and there's a
CD single due out soon in the US with several of the UK b-sides on it.
Perhaps that's what she was referring to.

To get all the up-to-the-minute net gossip/info on Tori, subscribe to
the Really Deep Thoughts mailing list by sending a message to
rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu.

-steve		clark@cme.nist.gov
Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:28043 alt.rock-n-roll:18516
From: speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:48:59 MST
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <falcon.722431855@camelot> falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:
>In <1992Nov22.021943.27926@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:

>>> ok but there are some serious holes in this.. a person only knows that
>>> something is black because he thinks it is... or has been told it is... the
>>> same goes for white... he thinks it is white and therefore it is white...

>>Oh come on, D., do you really think that you're going to fool the
>>philosophically literate readers of rec.music.misc into believing that
>>this quote (by Wittgenstein, I believe), is actually your own?

>i am sorry dx (i suppose you have a name but i can't find it in the
>headers) if i am not the first to come up with the above... actually i have
>never heard of Wittgenstein so i did come up with it on my own... 

Well I hate to be the messenger of bad news, but dx does not, in fact, have
a name.  You see, it ran off with Ray Shea's face several years ago.

It was very traumatic, and dx is understandibly very upset about
it and doesn't like to discuss it.

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:56:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.225451.27151@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
>soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty...
>
>> BULLSHIT!!!!!  Everyone knows that Davey Jones could blow her away any
>> day of the week!
>
>Davey, nee David, Jones was perhaps the best *dancing* tamourinist that
						        ^^^^^^^^^^^
And all along I thought Ray Cooper was!

-- 
 I ) I I <~ I_I   Terry Stedman                          .sig copyright   
 I \ I_I _> I I   Internet: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu   1992, T. Stedman 
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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:08:12 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

dmb@xbar.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
>Why don't you all just join hands and dance in a circle for us?  You're
>*such* good friends and you know *so* much.  Right, Ray?  Kiss, kiss.

Hmmmm. We all seem interested in the manner in which we conduct ourselves
in net discourse, so this seems worth a mention: Where I come from, it's
considered unseemly to dance this closely with homophobic discourse (in
which we mock men by suggesting anything about their relationship amongst
each other, and the old Kiss kiss ploy), even when returning the flame
(real or imagined). You have a reputation to think of here: MIT gave us
the Doug Alan of rec.music.gaffa fame along with Paul Boutin; that's 
a heavily weight of responsibility to inherit. If you're particularly
interested in this kind of work, rec.music.industrial is the place for
you. Of course, I know how offensive this very suggestion must be to
you; I just hope I've misread you, and I'd be glad to discover that I'm
wrong. 

Have a Nice Day.
--
-The world exhausts everything except my eyes/because it is a long walk to the
world/begun before I was born. In the far corner/the dead woman bows off stage
The television/crumples into a white dot as the last/train of the evening - my
train, is announced/I lived in one place. I want to die in another 608-828-3385