From: inb@creare.com (Ian Brown)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Constitutional Questions, and liberalisms....
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: inb@spock.creare.com (Ian Brown)
Organization: Creare Inc., Hanover, NH

In article <1992Oct8.050742.12207@news.unomaha.edu> kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger) writes:
>drieux@wetware.com  writes:
>> ... a fairly rambling article which I'll admit I had trouble following ..
>I'm not on drugs, and it's not that late in the night.  Plus, I know I'm not
>stupid because I made it through graduate school with honors.  What in the
>heck does this say?  It rambles on and on without any meaning like some
>weird piece of Zen poetry.  This is yet another example of the failure of
>public schooling to teach people how to write clearly.  It would be bad
>enough if the author just didn't know how to write complete sentences,
>spell correctly, punctuate, capitalize proper nouns, and not use capitals
>in the middle of words, but the worst sin of all is this simply isn't in-
>telligible.

This point I won't argue with, it was long, rambling, and hard to
understand, but then, drieux's stuff often is - which I wouldn't be
surprised to find out, is intentional.

>The reason why this whole quoted article makes about as much sense as
>Bill Clinton's economic plan is that the author is liberal and liberals
>don't like rules.

This and the remainder of the article is what I take exception to.
Personally, I prefer not to label myself or others, but most people would
label me a liberal, so I think I am qualified to make the arguments that I
will make.

WRT economic plans: if nothing else, Clinton offers a change from the past
12 years, during which the economy, following Reagan's and Bush's trickle
down idea, has gone to hell in a hand basket (to borrow a cliche'.)  The
gap between the richest people and the poorest has gotten bigger, big
enough that the richest 1% of the population now has more money than the
poorest 90%.

Anyway, that wasn't what I was intending to argue about.  Liberals don't
like rules that don't make sense or favor people who need no favors over
those that do.  I like rules as much as the next guy (I play simulation
games and tend to prefer those with lots of rules over those with fewer
rules - so long as those rules are reasonable.)

>  We conservatives know that periods, commas, and capitals
>were created for a purpose.

I've seen just as bad grammer and worse from people who would be classed
as conservatives.  Being a liberal or a conservative has nothing to do
with one's ability to write comprehensibly.  

>  Furthermore, suspension points were never in-
>tended for those spots where one's mind trails off.  If you're going to
>write something, remember that there are thousands of us who are attempting
>to read it.  I hate to pick on people for their grammar and style because
>we all make mistakes, but there is simply no excuse for such wildly in-
>comprehensible messages as this.

That is true, but turning it into a poliical issue isn't the answer - in
fact, I'd have to say that the only purpose it serves is to draw people
into an argument, at best, or a flamewar, which is more likely.  If you
want to accuse someone of having a poor writing style, that's fine by me -
I dislike trying to wade through badly written passages as much as you
seem to - but, don't try to tell me that because he's a liberal, it makes
sense that he can't write.
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