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From: jordag@cary111.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres)
Subject: Re: MUDs
Keywords: MUDs
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:35:33 GMT

That would go double for me! 

                                        VideoVamp
                             (a new 20th century subspecies)
From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Francis Ford Coppola's DRACULA
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:49:48 GMT
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



They had a free sneak of the movie at CWRU last night.  Needless
to say, the place was packed to the gills.  Yours truly had
second row center and was entranced.  FFC has done it again.
Great visuals.  Fantastic costuming.  The pacing was perfect--
I don't care what the local reviewer said about it.  There
was angst, love, gore, the usual stuff for a vampire movie.
And well worth it, as far as I'm concerned.  I'd even pay money
to go see it again.


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From: kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:44:20 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Cyrus just said :
>I think it is justifiable to call vampires evil, or to be more precise,
>it takes an evil person to make a good vampire.

Alright, let me clear up this vampire "evil" thing you guys are so concerned
about. First, a vampire is evil, no doubt about, it is the ALIGNMENT of the
vampire that determines what he/she does, I.E. A Lawful Evil vampire will
never ever attack little children for food.
OK?

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Anyone else excited?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:25:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Is anyone else just getting really excited about 'Dracula' on the 13th?
Dunno about you, but the previews are really getting me quivering with
anticipation :)
It looks really good. 
r.
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From: jordag@cary104.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Gifs and vamps
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:44:35 GMT
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

its a nice gif though...BTW i didnt have any touble with it...
From: tonya@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lillie tonya l)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Other vampires?
Keywords: Saint-Germain
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:25:18 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Is anyone out there interested in anything besides Anne Rice, Lestat or
Dracula?  How about the vampire novels by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro?  and he
her vampire characters: Saint-Germain, Madelaine or Olivia??
From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Forever Knight question
Keywords: Forever Knight
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:09:39 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

When did Nicolai kill Lacroix?  In part 2 of "The Dark Knight" 
episode, the first episode of the first season.

Here's what happened in California (and I suspect this happened
with all the CBS affiliate stations): Part 1 was shown, then
next week, even though we've seen the "next, on 'Forever Knight'"
preview... no Lacroix!  We get an entirely unnconnected episode,
and you can tell that the continuity is screwed around.

Finally, when the first season's episode were rerun, we get to
see both parts 1 and 2 of "The Dark Knight," back-to-back.  If 
you blinked, you'd have missed it.  (This episode has been
reshown yet again, this season, I think.)

Too bad Lacroix is dead (apparently, at least).  He's a good
heavy, and the actor playing him gives a great characterization
of this badass vamp.  No guilt, no scruples, and just a bit
sadistic.

Anyone notice the other continuity problems in "Forever Knight"?
Episode 1 hear Nick telling Natalie (the coroner) that he's 
"... up to ten minutes in the sun."  And indeed, we see him
closing his apartment blinds in full sunlight (wearing his
shades, of course).  But in later episodes, Nick damn-near
fries with just a few seconds of exposure to ol' Sol.

Episode 1's archaeologist, Rachel (?) is now a vamp, too, made
by Lacroix.  I keep hoping we'll learn what's become of her, but
we've so far got nada.

What really impressed me with the premiere of this show was 
the accurate French spoken in first few flashback sequences.
I wondered if they were trying to emulate Anne Rice's Louis
and Lestat in Paris, etc., but it didn't matter, really.
It was nice to see and hear good acting and good accents.

But now, in every episode since then, we get formal English/
Canadian accents.  Very disappointing.  I'm not a big fan
of subtitling, but the extra touch of the foreign language
was very nice.

Comments, anyone?

BTW -- I'm Raven, the Dark Bird of Prey.

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raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 338-9754
From: v116qhth@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I'm not evil...I'm just good looking)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: SUPPORT A NEW WEREWOLF GROUP
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.160922.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes...
>Okay werewolf fans...
>The adventure has begun.
> 
>I put a proposal for a werewolf group in alt.config today. So if you want
>the group, post your support there.
> 
>If you non-werewolf fans want us to stop conversing in your newsgroup,
> you might want to show your support too.
> 
>Also, spread the word to other groups that you think might be interested.
>I already posted a message on alt.horror.
> 
>This is what I posted there:
>In the newsgroup, "alt.config" there is a proposal for a new alt.werewolves
>newsgroup. If you read the proposal and think that this is a worthwhile
>group, please show your support by posting a reply in the newsgroup. Even
>if you don't read the proposal and you think that this is a worthwhile
>group, then you can still show your support by posting a reply in the
>newsgroup.:)
>And spread the word!!
> 
>Thanks a kazillion
>-Jordan
>jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
> 
>Feel free to copy and paste this or write your own.
> 
>Thanks.
>-Jordan


		I'm in support of the new werewolf group!

				ShadowSlayer
From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Bay Area book signing
Keywords: Anne Rice, book signing
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:21:08 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

Anne Rice will sign books (but only those bought in store)
at Dark Carnival Books in Berkeley, from 5 to 7 p.m., Sat.,
Nov. 7.

The Raven

P.S.  A bit too bright at 5 for this creature.  I'll send
my renfield instead.

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"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 338-9754
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Wyrewolves
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:07:39 GMT

Even a man who says his prayers by night,
can become a wolf when the full moon shines bright.

Well, it went something like that...
Since the second grade, werewolves and vampires (no funny spellings here) have
been a primary source of interest for me.  Would I be interested in a werewolf
group...in one word.........y y eee  ss
                            y y e   s 
			     y  ee   ss
			     y  e     s
			     y  eee ss

By the way...some of you who think that there is no conflict between the wolf
and the human personality should either check out the game "Werewolf:  The
Apocalypse" by White Wolf, or take my word that the primal instict and 
aggression of an animal do not mix well with the nature of a human.

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:08:58 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <1992Nov12.195144.11845@news.unomaha.edu> werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:
>cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU  writes:
>> What was evil again?  Oh yeah,  I guess that, to the majority of people
>> vampirism would be generally considered evil, not every person mind you.
>> It does involve a good deal of killing and the like.
>
>Oh, you silly, silly people...How many times does it have to be said that
>the average bloodsucker does NOT need to kill its victim.  Besides, exactly
>how much blood would a vampire need in a night?
>
Out of curiosity, where did you get this information about "the average
bloodsucker?"

				The Fool
				    ;-)
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From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Gifs and vamps
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:22:28 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

jordag@cary104.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres) writes:

> its a nice gif though...BTW i didnt have any touble with it...

Interesting... the 0/12 made it here but the other 12 didn't.
<X>

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From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Vampire the Masquerade
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:41:21 GMT

In article <BxKvqB.H2K@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
> 
> 	If you're interested in RPG's it might be worth your time to check it
> out.  By the way, for the werewolf fans out there, White Wolf also makes
> Werewolf the Apocalipse.
> 	For the record, I have no urge to be a vampire, a werewolf, or anything
> else but a starving college student--well, I might like to be a rich college
> student.  I'm just interested in them.
> 
> Christine
> 		"No one holds command over me.  No man.  No god.  No Prince.
> 		 What is a claim of age for ones who are immortal?  What is a
> 		 claim of power for ones who defy death?  Call your damnable
> 		 hunt.  We shall see who I drag screaming to Hell with me."
> 			--Gunter Dorn, Das Ungerheuer Darin
> 
>
Does anyone know where I can get ahold of White Wolf products? Is there an
adress I can write to for a catalog? 
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From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Vampire the Masquerade
Keywords: RPG, Vampire, Masquerade
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:51:46 GMT

	I've only been reading this newsgroup for a few weeks, but it has
surprised me no one has really discussed the RPG Vampire the Masquerade by
White Wolf.  While the information it presents isn't canon (so no flames, 
please) it is an excellent game that presents a different insight on what being
a vampire might be like.  Humanity is the most precious quality a vampire has,
and they must cling to it with all their strength to keep from falling prey to
the call of the Beast.  That seems to me what it would be like.  As the main 
rulebook states:
		"The Beast rages constantly for release, and only the
	strongest may hold it back.  Sometimes it breaks its bonds, and 
	runs riotous until it is recaptured.  The strain of self-control
	and the shameful memories of failed control, are hard enough to
	bear.  Worse still is the knowledge, constant as the Hunger, that
	these things will surely happen again.  Over the decades and cent-
	uries, this awareness gnaws at the mind like a rat at a ship's
	cable.
		To be a Vampire is to live on the edge of madness.  Obsessive
	devotion to some self-appointed task can help keep despair from the
	mind, and if the task is one of great goodness, it is possible to
	reason that the end justifies the means.  Some deliberately cultivate
	addictions, such as gambling or collecting art.  Others shut themselves
	away and confine their hunting to a small, sparsely-populated area, 
	telling themselves that they are protecting the rest of the world.
	These things can perhaps delay the onset of madness, but they can also
	provide it with its first foothold.
		Ultimately, hard as we may strive against it, madness awaits 
	us.  The flame of Humanity burns lower and lower, until finally it is
	extinguished.  Then the Beast is victor, and we truly become monsters.
	The Beast resides within the heart, and directs us towards evil, but whe	(sorry!) it overtakes the halls of the soul, then we shall be evil."

	VAMPIRE THE MASQUERADE pg 12, by Mark Rein Hagen, White Wolf  1991.

	If you're interested in RPG's it might be worth your time to check it
out.  By the way, for the werewolf fans out there, White Wolf also makes
Werewolf the Apocalipse.
	For the record, I have no urge to be a vampire, a werewolf, or anything
else but a starving college student--well, I might like to be a rich college
student.  I'm just interested in them.

Christine
		"No one holds command over me.  No man.  No god.  No Prince.
		 What is a claim of age for ones who are immortal?  What is a
		 claim of power for ones who defy death?  Call your damnable
		 hunt.  We shall see who I drag screaming to Hell with me."
			--Gunter Dorn, Das Ungerheuer Darin
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:24:05 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Greetings...
>     In his post - xxx says:

>     "the book of the movie is nothing like Stockers at all when it comes
>      to the style of writing..."

>     Be afraid... be very afraid...

>     (Of course, I'm going to be one of the first ones in line, practically
>  begging to fork over my $5.75 - Of course, one of the main reasons I'm
>  going to see it is because I totally lust after Wynona Ryder (sp?) - Hey,
>  who could possibly resist the sensuality of Stoker's (sp?) victorian-era,
>  sex-is-evil-and-should-be-forbidden Dracula? :>)

>     See you all at the movies! - Jonathan

In response to all the vampire movies out and about at this time, especially
Coppola's _Dracula_, I deicded to reread Stoker's original. In looking at the
movie clips on TV, I fear that this movie is again nothing like the book.
I have always wondered why people take a :classic: and then change it so it is
almost unrecognizable as a movie. I mean, the structure and content of the book
is what made it a classic, so why change it? I realize that some things in
books cannot be adequately reproduced in movies, but I have seen a tendency to
also alter those things which were perfectly filmable.
 
I also missed all the sex-is-evil-and-should-be-forbidden-parts in the original
_Dracula_. Would you mind pointing them out to me?  As far as I can tell
Dracula did not lust after Mina so much as try to use her for revenge against
Van Helsing, Morris, Godalming, and Harker for making his time in London
miserable. 

Tracey
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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Dhampyr/Dhampire
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:03:49 GMT

In article <1dl1tsINNngb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp494@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dana Goldblatt) writes:
>
>
>According to both the movie Vampire Hunter D, and the
>book Dhampire by Scott Baker, a "dhampire" (from Baker's book)
>or "dhampyr" (from subtitles of Vampire Hunter D) is a 
>mortal (sort of human) descendant of a vampire.  Are there
>any legends you know about regarding these?  
>

    I haven't checked my references lately (if it's that important to you,
    let me know and I will get you an exact quote), but I'm about 95% sure
    that I remember this being the term used for the son of a vampire, 
    who is supposed to have some specialized abilities as a fearless
    vampire hunter (Buffy and Captain Kronos, take that!).  The term
    predates its fictional usage in the novels you cite.

Cheers,
	Claude
From: kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire the Masquerade
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:33:11 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: RPG, Vampire, Masquerade


Christine just wrote :
>To be a Vampire is to live on the edge of madness.

Not always true, to be a vampire is to be pushed beyond madness, to the 
point where everything makes you mad, it is horrible, but its not a bad
thing.
> For the record, I have no urge to be a vampire
Why not?

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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re:  Vampires
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:50:17 GMT

If you're so dissappointed, then get the hell off the group.  I am 19, I believe
in God, I believe in "good" and "evil", and yes I believe in vampires, ghosts, 
and a variety of other things which go bump in the night.  There are discussions
on literature, you just haven't looked hard enough to find them.  There are also
discussions on movies and history.  And of course, vampires.  Just because you
are not satisfied with what your opinion of our newsgroup should be like, does
not entitle you to try and place yourself above us with such simple mindgames.

There are more things in Heaven and Earth than the mind could ever dream of.
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:40:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.102225@IASTATE.EDU> ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez) writes:
>Vampires are "evil" in the same sense that wolves,
>lions, bears, and spiders are evil.  They "prey" 
>(at least in some tales) on people.

I agree that assigning the label "evil" to a vampire for feeding on humans is
fairly similar to calling someone who eats beef evil (maybe he is to the cow,
who knows. :) )
>
>On the other hand, we humans consider a species
>more intelligent if it is farther in the food chain.
>Thus, animals are more intelligent than plants,
>presumably because animals feed on plants.  Within
>animals, those who eat other animals (e. g. humans
>and dogs) are more intelligent than insects and
>molusks.

This is not entirely true. We consider, in general, apes to be among the most 
intelligent creatures, as opposed to, say, sharks or carniverous reptiles.
>
>Using this frame, vampires should be considered a
>more advanced species.

I didn't think vampires were considered a separate species, at least in
traditional European folklore (I'm not familiar with other cultures' stories,
I'm afraid. Anyone know of a good collection of _traditional_ vampire legends?)

				The Fool
				    ;-)
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From: kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague)
Subject: Re: Wyrewolves
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:40:45 GMT

werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:

>Even a man who says his prayers by night,
>can become a wolf when the full moon shines bright.

>Well, it went something like that...

It's more along the lines of:

Even a man who is pure at heart and says his prayers by night
Can become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is full and
bright.
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From: mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie (Kubik)
Subject: Werewolves
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:09:03 GMT

Something very strange happenned to me. It happened twice. But the first
time was by far the scarriest (sp?) experience of my short life. The
second time coming next. It's hard to explain, but I felt as though
there was something inside, trying to make me into it. I could feel my
face shifting and stretching, though I don't remember a lot of physical
pain, just extreme mental exertion. Terrified, I opposed it with all my
thirteen-year-old's will. After about five minutes, it was gone again,
and I felt incredibly empty, and weak. At the time, I thought it must
have been some form of Possession, like the Devil taking me or
something, and yes, I prayed, with all my soul, for help, despite not
being a very religious person; (in fact, I'm not really religious at all
anymore). Since, I've thought about it a lot, specially after the second
time, a few years later. And though I refuse to come to any definite
conclusions from my own short experience, I would tend towards
Lycanthropy.

This is not a joke, and until now, was my best held secret. Any
opinions? I'm willing to listen to/read any sort of guess, whether
stating that I'm mad, and was hallucinating, or that there's something
wrong with me somewhere. Just one thing, whatever it was, it was _NOT_ a
dream.

(Oh, and both times, it happened at night.)

Mark.

--
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mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie    |
(Kubik)		         |  "I am, Belief is not required",                Me. 
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From: JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu (Jon Leistiko)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire project..Please Help!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:18:44 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings...
     In the previous article 12465@dunix.drake.edu says:

     "I am interested in finding out why and how other people became
      interested in vampires..."

     I started in early adolescence - the reasons were twofold and simple:
  Power and Sex.  That's it.

     Take Care, - Jonathan
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