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From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: china white
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:49:01 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <blah blah> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>In article <blah blah blah> I wrote:
>>Yes -- the exact kind of studies you talk about have been done. They were
>>discussed in a "Pleasure and Pain" class I took at Brown Univ. Two studies
>>are of particular interest:
>>
>> [deleted]
>
> OK, I'm almost a believer. You've piqued my curiosity. Would it be
>possible for you to find some references for this so that I can check out
>these graphs?
>
>St. Anthony

*sigh* I suspect not. When I graduated last year I basically threw away all
the stuff. I'm wracking my brain, but I honestly don't think I could come
up with the sources. If you have access to a library CD-ROM, I'd say check
MedLine and PsychLit, but I don't know if that would get you there.

I'm glad this has stimulated some (productive!) discussion here. Among
other things we learned in this class were the pleasure mechanisms of the
body (i.e., the dopamine system). It's very interesting, a pretty good
rule of thumb is "if it feels good, it's stimulating the dopamine system.
If it feels aversive, it's inhibiting the dopamine system." Now I wish I'd
kept my notebook... (anyone reading this at school at Brown: take PY40,
Pleasure and Pain).

But the interesting point is that there are exactly TWO medically-
documented side-effects of heroin: 1) constipation, 2) reduced sex drive.
Not exactly earth-shattering. But cocaine -- that stuff is pure evil (but
from your body's point of view, it's pure pleasure; it prevents dopamine
reuptake).

I'd love to try opiates, but frankly, cocaine scares me.

--Erik


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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:22:08 -0500

In article <92277.205934IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> T. Peter Leone <IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> Could you elaborate on the physiology of LSD please
>and what are the long term effects of LSD, and are they positive or negative
>because I think that I feel the effects of having used LSD, I think that I have
> become a lot more paranoid since using it and I just wanted to know your opini
>on.  I also find that some people who use LSd do very well in school, and other
>s don't seem to be able to function in our society.  Why is this?

It's important to remember that most important saying:  Correlation
does not mean causation. 

Would these people who "don't function in society" have likely done
any better had they not taken <insert substance or activity here>?  In
most cases that I've seen (all) the answer is no.  People who grossly
misuse drugs are normally 1)undereducated 2)self destructive or
3)downright messed up.  Any or all of these traits do not support a
positive life experience. 

I feel that my experience with lsd has been a very good benefit.  1)It
was just plain fun, 2)it was very enlightening, it helps to open up
new ways of thinking that you might not have stumbled upon had you not
taken it and 3)it acted as a catalyst for so many other things. 

Each person is different. 

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From: caedmon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Axeman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 01:38:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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In <1992Oct1.201137.27443@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.124627.2620@wkuvx1.bitnet> carltdl@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>Hello, I am doing research on the effects of LSD and I all I really
>>need right now is some insight on the Flash Back topic. Myth or fact.

>A flashback, which is an emotional animal, can occur when something,
>usually a sense, triggers memories of a previous incident.  This
>happens to me frequently with things that relate to especially
>frightening or otherwise emotional events.  These obviously have
>nothing to do with drugs.  I had these long before I ever tried any
>illegal drugs.  

I have had LSD-like visual distortions, and for lack of a better word I deem
them flashbacks.  Who knows - maybe somebody has laced my bag of coffee
beans!
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mdifulvi@bilbo.encore.com (Michael Difulvio)
Subject:  smart drugs and nutrients
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:46:02 GMT

I swear by a product called "FOCUS" sold by Omnitrition International.

The key ingredient is Pantothenic Acid (5000RDA) also B12 (1650RDA)

Any comments.......


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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Invention of Crack Cocaine
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:59:19 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Sep26.033728.10155@midway.uchicago.edu>, gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley) writes:
>A while ago I think there was a thread about the social and economic
>factors leading to the invention of crack cocaine. Ie, that the WosD
>generated a demand for a form of cocaine that was easier to smuggle,
>easier or cheaper to produce, more addictive, etc, than good ol'
>powdered cocaine. Can anyone provide evidence for this claim (other
>than common sense -- I don't know that much about either form)? I have
>occasionally used this argument to argue about prohibition, but
>without much substance to back it up with.

Ordinary cocaine is a salt, which dissolves on the wet inside surface of the
nose (or mouth or stomach).  This takes time.

"Crack" or "freebase" cocaine is inhaled as a vapor.  It is absorbed into
the bloodstream while the user holds in the hit.  It hits the brain very
quickly.  This produces a more intense "high", but for a shorter time than 
the solid form.  

So, if I were a cocaine consumer, which would I buy?  If I wanted to stay
high all night, I could spend $100 on either form.  I'd probably choose
powder just because the paraphernalia is more available (razor+mirror vs.
crack pipe+torch).

But if I didn't want to spend more than $5, I would have to go for the
crack, because I couldn't really get off on $5 worth of powder.  But a
single rock of crack would get me high, albeit for a short time.

As far as I know, cocaine is still smuggled in powder form.  Crack isn't any
more addictive; it just has a lower ED than the (time-release) powder form.

Disclaimer:  I am not a cocaine consumer, and legalization will not change
that.  Do not take what I say as a recommendation of either form.  Such
feel-good drugs, like Ronald Reagan speeches, tend to leave you with a nasty
hangover, not to mention a huge debt.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
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From: ap.5433@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] LD50's
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5433@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:10:29 GMT


      I'm looking to put together a list of the LD50's of various legal and
illegal drugs which are available today.  I have been able to get some out
of the FAQ's but would like to contrast these figures to those of commonly
used prescription drugs such as Xanax, Codiene, Phenobarbital, Valium, etc.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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From: cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck)
Subject: Re: Special K & Utopia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:56:05 GMT

Special K is Ketamine. Read all about it in some of the works of John Lilly
(e.g. his autobio. _The Scientist_).

.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5593@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] D. illinoensis roots
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5593@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:29:42 GMT


Today I recieved my two eight oz. bags of roots from OTJ. My FAQ
is this:
 
What is the extraction process? Can the same process I've recieved from
Jeremy on Acacia maidenii work for illinoensis roots? And is there
an easier/other method than his?


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From: css37245@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Angel)
Subject: FAQ's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:54:37 GMT


I am interested in reading the FAQ's for LSD, Marijauna, and Ecstasy.  Could
someone send them to me.  Thanks in advance.

cs

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From: gdm7238@summa.tamu.edu (MCBRIDE, GARY DEAN)
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:25:00 GMT

In article <BvHwos.I12@casper.cs.uct.ac.za>, ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes...
]Living is generally fairly dangerous - stupidity can get you killed much more
]quickly, but most people are reasonably responsible in their activities.  
]You do what you enjoy, have an 'exciting' life and one day you die.  WRT
]drugs, some people enjoy a wide variety of drugs while others get nothing
]from them.  I should think that crossing the road has more chance of
]killing you off early than taking recreational drugs in a responsible way.
] 
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]				What was unutterable, I wrote down.
]brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za	I made the whirling world stand still.
]ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za		- Arthur Rimbaud
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] 
]				Swans fly silently to the burning sky.
] 
] 
]	Alcohol is a Drug	Caffeine is a Drug 	Nicotine is a Drug
] 
]				Are you Anti-Drugs?

In response to this whole line of drug-use as a source of danger thrill, I 
would like to point out that this is not my general experience.  Personally,
I use drugs only in quantities and types that I can be assured :
	a) Will not affect my personal life - I am college student maintaining
		over a 3.0.
	b) Will not hurt the ones I love.
	c) Will not put me in danger of WOD backlashes.
	d) Drugs I can qualitatively be sure of - ie LSD on blotter bought
		from know sources.

I do not see LSD as being a thrill ride, like bungee jumping, I see it as
a method of self-exploration.  
					
Gary McBride
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:53:16 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <207@mindlink.bc.ca> Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I have returned from the bookstore with what appear to be two very good books
>and I thought I would share my find with all of you.
>
>They are:
>
>LSD -- My Problem Child
>    REFLECTIONS ON SACRED DRUGS, MYSTICISM, AND SCIENCE
>    Albert Hofmann
>
>    Published by J.P. Tarcher, Inc.  1983
>    ISBN  0-87477-256-7

An online copy of this (really!) floated around here a few years ago; don't
know if it still exists. I can't send it up because its on my mac and I'm
modemless at the moment. But maybe someone else could point the net to it.
I'm aware of the horrendous copyright problems with this, but I figure if
the erotic pictures groups get away with it... :-) --Erik

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 05:50:09 GMT


 I just want to make it clear that I was born in the 70's. I feel no more
attatched to the 60's than I do the 50's or even the 1890's. If one wants
to define the "Drug Culture", don't define it in terms of the 60's. These
are not the 60's and I'd hate to see a retro movement back to the somewaht
foolish idealism of the time. The mistakes of the 60's should be taken
into account, but these are now the 90's and let us live like they are the
90's. Nostalgia is not the answer to building a constructive movement. But
far from that, the term "Drug Culture" is like saying "Music Culture". It
is too diverse to simply call a culture. It ids a culture of culture. It
is not a culture. A culture is based on a set of ideas and dreams. The
only culture involved in drugs is their implementation in one's life and
mind: the way they are used and the attitude in which they are used and
they attitudes tpowards their use. So a "drug culture" is about as useful
as a "coffee-mug culture" and even that is more specific than a "drug
culture". The real culture is the love of personal freedom and this goes
far beyond the use of drugs. S

St. Anthony 

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:59:42 GMT

In article <BvK279.A5s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>That's a less than scientific description.  Nitrous oxide does NOT
>"react" with your body in any normal sense of the word.  In fact,
>you don't even metabolize it.  You exhale nitrous oxide (mixed

OK, I realize that the N2O basically comes back out after being circulated
for a while in the bloodstream, but I'm interested to know how they
determined that 100% came back out (not even a little reacts).  Does anybody
have a reference to a study that determined this?

I've seen the claim that N2O does not react chemically more than once on
this network, yet nobody seems to be able to explain why it gives you a
buzz.  This sounds a bit fishy to me.

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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: cocaine (was Re: china white)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:11:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.164901.9119@ctp.com> ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
>Not exactly earth-shattering. But cocaine -- that stuff is pure evil (but
>from your body's point of view, it's pure pleasure; it prevents dopamine
>reuptake).

NE reuptake, I believe.  But there's more to it than that, anyway...
there are drugs (e.g. desipramine) which are also effective at
inhibiting NE reuptake, but which have little euphoriant effect in
those not initially depressed.  (What the "more to it" is, I don't
know... just potency?  kinetics?)

>--Erik

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From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Controlled Substances
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:57:57 GMT
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated

In article <1992Sep30.204024.22388@u.washington.edu> ap.2187@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>        Well, here's the complete list of controlled substances
>as contained in the 1992 Sigma catalog.  I'm not a chemist, so I
>can only accept responsibility for transcription errors.  Net
>chemists please check this over and comment.

My god, you actually typed all this in? fuckin brilliant!! but,

>III        Testosterone

I'm illeagal?  Puts a whole new twist on the "keep your laws of my body"
bit doesn't it?

thanks for spending the time to inform me that I am in possession of a
controlled substance.  What am I supposed to do if a cop asks me "you
got any of dem der controlllled substanzes on ya boy?" and I'm naked?

--gaspo.


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From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: Strychnine Re-re-re-revisited
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:23:49 GMT

In article <9209282115.AA03382@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>I really, REALLY hate to re-hash the old LSD-Strychnine debate, but I've
>recently run into someone I consider very trustworthy who gets LSD from
>people who make it, and she swears up and down that they do indeed use
>strychnine in the process.  She has used four sheets in the last few years

If she has sources this close to the lab, why bother with blotter?  Sure
it might be more conveinient to carry, but, fwaar, flying "L" airlines
with pure juice, mmmmmmm......

>and now has bone marrow deterioration which a doctor attributed to the
>strychnine.  

Well, letsee, there's a hole in the ozone, acid rain,
food-preservatives, cancer, lead water pipes, EMF from high-tension
power lines, yeah, it has to be strychnine.  Not to mention all those
long-term studies that have been done on L itself. 


>I told her I don't buy it, but I'm not entirely sure now,

end sarcastic mode: I don't either.  Yes, it could be, simply because
unless somebody with the proper equipment proved that it wasn't...

>because  if the people making it do use strychnine, it is conceivable that
>problems like she has could occur after regularly ingesting small amounts
>of what is essentially poison.  

well, if her source told her they were using strychnine, and she still
was dosing with their product, what can she do? sue them for improper
labeling?

>If anybody has an educated opinion on the matter, I'd like to hear it.

no, my oprinion is not "educated", but I do know that proper
"scientific" reasoning can not attribute an effect when there are so
many possible causes.

Seriously, sounds like the only way to solve this question is to:
a) ask her to get the formula from her source, b) have that formula
checked by somebody with the proper "education" to determine the actual
dose of strychnine, c) get a second or third opinion from different
doctors as to the strych->marrow-detioration connection. 

I left out the rather obvious invalidity of this solution due to lack of
controls, but we are just talking hypothetically here right?

--gaspo.

BTW, does your freind drink alcohol? I hear that the trace amounts of
methanol that occasionally show up can lead to reason-deterioration :-|


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From: jsuttor@netcom.com (Jeff Suttor)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Smurfberries?
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:31:32 GMT

gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:

>Wow, now thats a great idea.  Which would you prefer? A largish
>jaw-breaker type hard candy, where you dose by licks, or say someting
>like bubble-gum, with the longer you chew.....

Not a good idea in the USA.  If you get charged with possesion, they will
include the weight of the 'candy', EG 'the carrier weight', in 
determining your sentance.  One dose == many, many doses under these laws.
 
Instructions on contacting the Federal Judicary people responsible for
setting mandatory sentencing guidelines has been posted before.  Please