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From: 00mlschmalz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Destruction of the U.S. (and Canada and ...)
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:45:29 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask) writes:
gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>doug@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca (Douglas MacKintosh) writes:
>>>cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> Will the United States break up like former Yugoslavia,
>>>> Czchoslovakia and the Soviet Union?
>>>> 
>>>> Canada is about to go to pieces.  Will it happen here?
>>>
>>>Regardless of what you may have observed in your American media,
>>>it is very unlikely that Canada will break up.
> 
>>>What is very likely is that Canada will end up as part of the US. 
>>>We are seeing many signs of that change already here.

Shortcut to a new world order:
Have the USA announce to the UN that it is taking international 
applications for statehood.

-- 
   Sparky!!
   marc@bsu-cs.bsu.edu   00mlschmalz@virgo.bsuvc.bsu.edu  
   "I'm a carton of hate."  "I'm a wedge of spite."
            -Milk and Cheese, Dairy Products Gone Bad
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:69328 talk.politics.theory:5733 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:13548
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Shocked Beyond ALL BELIEF!!!!!
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:13:02

Mark Wilson writes:
>In <1993Jan25.151635.659@st-andrews.ac.uk> ccjm@st-andrews.ac.uk
>(Colin Charles\
> James MacDonald) writes:
>
>|Would you be more shocked to learn that prostitution is legal here in
>stuffy
>|old Britain? It's only *soliciting* that is illegal. What's the
>difference?
>|How should I know? Solicitors are prostitutes that get caught?
>
>I thought solicitors were attorneys?

I will not touch this sentence.

I will not touch this sentence.

I'll just laugh until my sides split, that's all.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: pakrat@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Grogan)
Subject: Re: NO! President Bill, 72% of Americans are NOT lawyers!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:36:02 GMT

	Even if you discard the fact that 72% of them are lawyers, look at how
they stack up as "qualified" for their positions.  Fine, a law degree is
useful when one occupies a political position (that belief being the reason
that is a republic and not self-government- not good) I can at least accept
that part.  However, when qualified candidates are blatantly passed over in
favor of a black candidate, who so ever is a lawyer becomes irrelevant.  My
specific reference being, of course, Dept. of Agriculture, but one need not
look outside of that same batch of nominees to see a trend.
	It is a load of shit that the new administration is shoveling.  Either
decide that the moral ramifications of nominating minorities outweighs the
pragmatic aspects of actually getting someone useful inoffice, or don't.  But
don't try to convince me that theses selections are QUALIFIED!!!!
	The American people were taken in hand by a PR wizard with the morals
of an alley cat and the principal stability of a Kenmore.  There is no defense
for baltant lies and broken promises.  Accept that you were conned into
electing this jerk and just shut up for the next four years.
  			Bob Grogan						

                        	"It's short, it's hard, and it's Irish"
							-T.V. Guide
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Can the new Believers Learn
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:50:35 GMT

egilder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric Gilder) writes:

] >You guys really need to learn how to spell christian.  Christ was a person
] >(and God) not an "x".
] 
] Wes, "Xn" has been an abbreviation for "Christian" since the catacomb days.  
] Just like "Xp" means Christ and that IHS one sees on some communion tables 
] means "Jesus"  "X", in this case is "Chi", the first letter in "Xpostos" which 
] gets transliterated Christ, whereas IHS is Iota Eta Sigma, from IHSOUS, which 
] is from the Hebrew Yeshua, and gets transliterated to English as either Joshua 
] or Jesus.  OK?


Thanks Eric

One Sometimes wonders about Pauls Injunction about
women, who lacked the traditional formal training
in the faith, from speaking in church.

It seems that wes here has proven that we can now
make that injunction a gender free concept.....

PLEASE BOYS AND GIRLS LETS LEARN A LITTLE
ABOUT XTIANTY BEFORE SHOWING IGNORANCE GLOBALLY!


ciao
drieux


ps: sorta Scary what all that ModernSeXularHumanistic
education about Math stuff has done to folks.....




-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: 

sometimes, a thing will happen after another thing, 
and they may not be connected..... 
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From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: NO! President Bill, 72% of Americans are NOT lawyers!
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1729@tecsun1.tec.army.mil> <1jqlh7INNe9r@shelley.u.washington.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:58:54 GMT

<In article <1jqlh7INNe9r@shelley.u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:


<   She got gored for violating immigration law, not for being a woman.

<   (One might say she was gored for violating tax laws, too, but the tax laws
<   in question are held in about as much respect by the general public as the
<   laws against speeding, so I doubt they had much to do with it.)

	Sure, Smith, try running a business and not paying FICA
	taxes.

	Tell us what happens....
From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: DAY THREE: Either a lie or utter stupidity
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:30:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) says:

>This is very amusing stuff from Brent, but it also accurately describes
>the
>partisan bitching and moaning by Mulac and others. They act like the
>Archangel Gabriel himself came to them in a vision
>and gave them the recorded history of the next four years on stone
>tablets.
>Until you breast-beaters provide some facts to back up your gloom and
>doom,
>you're just a bunch of chicken-littles running around yelling "the sky is
>falling!!!! the sky is falling!!!!".


     Any society that consistently rewards irresponsibility, punishes
     long-term ethics, and always bets against the odds, is doomed to
     failure.  I'm have absolutely no interest in being around when
     the 'facts' show up.


>
>Norman
>
>Dr. Norman J. LaFave
>Senior Engineer
>Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company
>
>
>
>
>When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>                               Hunter Thompson
>
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Yuppie Vacation Bill (WAS Re: Family Leave Bill
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:11:19 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan26.035236.6898@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

|In article <2503@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca 
|(BOUCHER DAVID) writes:

|>And the cost in lost productivity will naturally be borne by everyone.

|Haven't some studies shown that an adequate amount of vacation time
|*increases* productivity by reducing stress?  

|I say, start everybody out with a month of paid vacation, and eventually
|work our way up to the standards of civilized countries. 

Some studies have indicated that a small amount of vacation time beats no
vacation in terms of productivity.  Increasing the length of the vacation
produces proportionally smaller productivity gains.
-- 
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Privatization
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:35:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.080224.26329@mcc.com> amck@rowdy.mcc.com (Alan McKendree) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.023654.15601@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Phone system?  We're private, everyone else is government owned.
>>
>>Health care?  We're private, everyone else is public.
>>
>>Air travel?  We're private, almost everyone else is public.
>
>Electric:  where I live, at least, the city runs the power plant.
>
>Phone:  Although not officially part of the government, each privately
>owned regional telephone company is granted prtected monopoly status
>by the government (i.e., it is illegal to try to provide competing
>service).

These things are, in a sense, natural monopolies, because they have
decreasing returns to scale: it's cheaper for one provider to supply
everyone than for many smaller companies to compete with each other.
However, you'll have a monopoly situation, with all the potential
abuse that it entails.  That's why there's regulation in these cases.

Technology (celluar phones, etc) will probably change the market for
the Baby Bells enough, so that their monopoly status will be loosened.
Providing electricity and gas, well, I don't see any technology that
will change the market (though I believe there's an interesting study
proposing that power plants should be privitized, to compete with each
other.  The power grid and gas lines, the distribution net, are, of
course, a natural monopoly and will require regulation, but the
providers are not necessarily so.)




--
<Phone rings> "Hello?...  He did what?...  Bomb 'em....  I'm still
President."
			-- Dana Carvey's George Bush, 1/16 SNL
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Murder v. Sex
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:42:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.150849.1415@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>Who is the injured party in prostitution?
>>
>>Cavalama.
>
>-------------------
>You know that the age-old answer to that one is the spouse left at home,
>and possibly endangered in these days of HIV. 

Infection considerations aside, how is the spouse harmed?  

>But they are not criminally
>harmed unless someone knows they have HIV at the time. Funny how ignorance
>amounts to non-guilt in a country where "ignorance of the law is no
>excuse". 

Ah, but ignorance of the law and ignorance of fact are two different 
things.  If you are travelling 65 in a 55 mph zone, the fact that you don't 
know that it is illegal does not excuse you.  The fact that you are unaware 
that you are travelling 65 may.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Privatization
Organization: LLNL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:30:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.023654.15601@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Britain is privatising its electric industry.  We can't -- it's already
>private.

>Phone system?  We're private, everyone else is government owned.

>Health care?  We're private, everyone else is public.

	Actually, we're talking about heavily regulated monopolies.

>Air travel?  We're private, almost everyone else is public.

	There are private airlines abroad, but many national airlines
are, indeed, publicly owned.

	I may add that the air travel industry gets plenty of public
support, as in tax money for air traffic control, airport maintenance,
etc. This is something that passenger-rail supporters (including
myself) complain about, that Amtrak is looked upon as a ward of the
state while the airline industry gets away scot-free.
-- 
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Not more on Gays in the Military
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:51:50 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan27.184227.5196@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>Amusing thought:  It is not only not allowed, but right-down illegal to
>beat someone to death.  It does not appear to be the case that legislating
>morality did a great deal to stop the death of a homosexual from shipmates
>in Japan.  If people are not deterred by a law that has penalties of life
>imprisonment, why do you think that a "allowed" type law would work?

In 1948, Truman issued an executive order desegregating the military.
Around that time, incidents like you describe were common in certain parts
of the country: blacks who were found in places they "didn't belong" were
summarily lynched.  Similar dire predictions were made about what would
happen if white and black soldiers were forced to live side by side.  But
the military was given an order, and they carried it out.  Those who
resisted were punished severely or drummed out of the service.

Now, the US military is probably the least bigoted institution in the US;
in fact, a black man is in charge of the whole thing.  And the most
amazing irony to me is that this man is arguing against Clinton issuing a
similar executive order based on many of the same arguments that were used
against a similar order in 1948.

BTW, did you know that it wasn't illegal for a homosexual to be in
military service until 1982?  (Reagan issued an order to this effect).
Before that, some effort was made to screen gays out, but exceptions were
made and there was no active effort to hunt down and kick out closeted
gays from the service, and there was no absolute rule forbidding their
presence.





--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
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From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: Necessary and Proper
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:33:10
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
	<1993Jan27.160428.15141@athena.mit.edu>
	<1993Jan27.220454.3621@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <C1Jt8D.MJA@panix.com>
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
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In-reply-to: lkk@panix.com's message of Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:14:36 GMT

In article <C1Jt8D.MJA@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

> Madison is obviously an authority on what *he* meant by the various clauses
> contained in the Constitution.  He may even represent the majority
> view of what the delegates at the constitutional convention believed
> the words meant.

However, the Federalist Papers are not an authority on what Madison
believed!  All they are is a series of polemics that were intended to
influence people to vote in favor of the proposed Constitution.  They
are nothing more or less than the arguments that, in the opinion of
Madison and the other authors, would be most likely to convince people
that the Constitution would be a good thing.

It's dangerous to take election rhetoric and interpret it as political
philosophy; the two forms are related, but not the same.  
--
Matthew Austern                       Maybe we can eventually make language a
matt@physics.berkeley.edu             complete impediment to understanding.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:69031 alt.activism:21146
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: "New Right" Libertarians?
Date: 19 Jan 93 20:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <90425@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:

>I read this three times, and I still do not understand how you got the IE
>out of the given paraphrase.  I would also like to see the original
>quote before commenting further.

 And I thought that I was going to get flamed ! Adam Smith was trying to
say that a person who dosent concentrate on improving or growing his
own intellect or economic stature, will never be in a position to help
society (or other individuals). By improving yourself, you are also
improving society and also gaining the ability to further improve others.
Like Mr. Limbaugh says, success is contagious and helps the society that
helped nuture that success (paraphrased). So in this respect, personal
'greed' is not a totally bad thing.
Actual quote from Adam Smith will follow ...

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: khartoum@fugue.cc.purdue.edu (Khartoum)
Subject: poem on 1/21/93
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:38:59 GMT

Could someone please copy the poem down that ? Snerdley read last night
and e-mail it to me.

khartoum@fugue.cc.purdue.edu

Thanks,

Trey

Long live Rush
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From: hhuang@athena.mit.edu (Han-Young Huang)
Subject: Re: Taxing & Spending
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:54:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.230303.2362@uunet!tellab5!odgate> mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:
>alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>
>>>The middle class
>>>insists that it is maligned and punished for working (and
>>>forgets that so much of the budget is returned to them in the
>>>form of entitlements like medicare, medicaid, social security
>>>and other budget busting programs).
>
>>I am SO damn tired of hearing this cliche.  I am part of the
>>middle class.  I do not receive medicare, medicaid,
>>I pay INTO social security, and I receive NO benefit from ANY
>>budget busting programs except, perhaps, some benefit from
>>military protective services.  So WHAT, exactly, am I getting
>>for my money??
>
>Have you no parents?  Do they also receive no Social Security
>payments and no Medicare coverage?
>
>Will you never, ever be unemployed?  Wouldn't you like to be able
>to get some kind of medical care if that happened?
>
>And, the real point is, do you care about anyone but *you*?

Who Alan cares for is no business of the government.  Are you
proposing forcing him to care and fork over cash at gunpoint?
If so, that's not very caring of you.
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From: era@csn.org (Ed Arnold)
Subject: REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
Originator: era@teal.csn.org
Keywords: Extremists, Christian Right, Amendment 2
Reply-To: era@csn.org (Ed Arnold)
Organization: Citizens Project; Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:47:53 GMT

We of the Citizens Project (Colorado Springs, CO) are looking for people
who could assist us in re-distributing the Citizens Project Newsletter
to non-Internet computer services.  If you have an account on any such
services (CompuServe, FidoNet, Genie, Prodigy, America Online, and others)
and are willing to help us, please let us know via return email to
era@ncar.ucar.edu.

The Citizens Project is a Colorado Springs, CO - based group of volunteers
who seek to prevent extremists from eliminating our fundamental freedoms,
in the face of growing political and religious intolerance in Colorado.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Middle-class entitlements (was Re: Taxing & Spending
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:09:08 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <1993Jan21.141005.22561@novell.com> bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:

>Since he at some point may be unemployed, he has to pay thousands,
>perhaps into the teens of taxes?  Couldn't he just keep some of that
>and save it himself (and investing it)?  Is it your contention that the
>government is better at insuring Alan's future than Alan is?

Hiya, Brendan.

The government can only assure my future if it decides to draft me,
tax me to death, or continue to screw up this economy.  In that sense,
it already *IS* assuring my future, and my kids' future - and a bleak
one indeed!  We don't have a draft for the military - but just around
the corner is that ol' Debbil "National Service."  Feh.

Not that you meant it this way, of course  ;-)


>>And, the real point is, do you care about anyone but *you*?
>
>Irrelevant, the claim was that the middle-class is receiving back in
>entitlements what they put in and Alan pointed out that he didn't think
>so and asked for proof.  You seem to acknowledge this and am now
>changing your argument to caring about others.  Which is it?


If a person is forced to care about another essentially at gunpoint,
don't people think that resentment might come about?   And yet, that is
exactly the situation we are in right now.


>There is one well known middle-class entitlement - tax deductions for
>home interest.  However, I don't think it's so much a middle-class perk
>as it is another example of the government using the power of taxation
>to influence social policy, i.e., back when it was enacted, it was
>desired that more people own their own home, so this was designed to
>make it easier.  Now, with everyone panicing whenever new home starts
>do down, it's used to stimulate home building.
>
>Brendan
>-- 
>Brendan B. Boerner    Phone: 512/346-8380    MHS: bboerner@novell
>Internet: bboerner@novell.com     \  Please use either if replying
>   or  Brendan_Boerner@novell.com /  by mail exterior to Novell.


... and, the ONE "loophole" (or tax incentive, take your pick of terms
depending upon the current administration) I do use to reduce my tax
burden may be eliminated soon, according to recent rumblings coming
out of Washington.  But only if the construction industry lobbyists
don't stop it first.  Its a fine mess we're in when I have to rely upon
a bunch of slimey lawyers for tax relief .... ;-)


-- 
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