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From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: A2000 memory (.5/.5 -> 1M/0)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.000246.29964@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
>From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
>Subject: A2000 memory (.5/.5 -> 1M/0)
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:02:46 GMT
>     I have an Amiga2000 with 512KB chip RAM and 512KB of "fast" RAM.  I also
>have a few questions:
>
>  1) Is the "fast" RAM truely fast or is it really chip RAM not accessible
>     to the chips?
The fast ram is truely faster than chip ram. 
>
>  2) Is it possible to use a 1MB Agnus in the A2000?
>
Yes.

>  3) If '2' is true, how to I change the motherboard fast RAM into chip RAM.
You don't, your motherboard doesen't have any fast ram.

>
>  4) If '3' and '1' are true, then why didn't Commodore ship it as true chip
>     RAM in the first place?
Wrong.
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From: hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: TrumpPro2000/Maxtor7120 problems, need HELP! (Please!)
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:26:10 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <69155@cup.portal.com> Darcy@cup.portal.com (Darcy S McConnell) writes:


>Make sure in your Device field in the partition that it has DH0, ect
>and not AUTO.  AUTO will cause things like this..  :)  found out
>the hard way also...

Yep, I finally figured that out, but it took a while. I really _don't_ like
the manual for that controller. I've seen worse, but it really leaves a LOT
to the imagination. I don't like manuals, and software, that include
options, but say things like "This is the INTERLEAVE field. Don't change
this value as it has been determined to be optimum as is", but nothing more
about it. Also, in order to add the Maxtor I had to remove the SCSI
terminators from the CONTROLER itself, when Maxtor told me to take them off
the drive. I couldn't find ANY reference to this in the manual at all, and
only thru 5 coast-to-coast calls (daytime) did I finally get all the
information needed to get the system properly configured. Probably cost me
$25 in phone calls to get answers that should have been stated clearly in
the manual. The technician I talked to was friendly enough, but didn't seem
to know anything about the manual, and never mentioned a thing about
changing AUTO to DHx (I had to figure that out for myself). But now that
it's all set up it's a nice, fast, quiet drive, especially compared to my
Seacrate 296N...!
From: slb@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Stacey Brewer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Help me unset CMOS PassWord.
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:07:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ


Help... I have set a CMOS password in the past, but
have no record of it now. Anyone know how to get past it?
Is there some utility that will let me edit the CMOS Setup
and disable the password option? My MB is marked ISA-386U3
it is an AMI BIOS.

Thanks

Stacey
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 and LD vs HD drives
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:49:12 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


(massive deletion occurs here...)

>>you put one in it?" I have to tell them no becouse Commodore won't sell me
>>the drive by itself.
> 
> So you'd rather have mass confusion? (Which existed in the mac & PC
> world for several years.. and is just now starting to abate...
> (and you can get it from the company that makes it - $160 (I don't
> remember off the top of my head the company or part number)

It's manufactured by Chinon, and as a person that works part time for
a company that builds Amiga drives, I can attest to the fact that
you *can't* buy it from the company that makes it.  CBM has an exclusive.

> This *is* a problem when you have 2 different formats such as these
> floating around..

Well, since the Amiga only lets double density disks be formatted at 
880k and high density disks at 1.7Meg, it isn't as much of a problem.

>>CBM should seriously consider shipping the 1200 with an HD drive in the
>>US... I think they would gain more sales from having the HD drive than the
>>extra cost would loose.
> 
> Well, yes. If you're going to go to a HD drive, go to it.

Put it in all the machines (A600 being a possible exception) and make
upgrade kits available for existing machines.

>>If marketing has any questions, maybe they should ask their dealers before
>>they decide whats best for them.
> 
> Marketing? Surely you aren't SERIOUS.... ask questions? Find out what
> would sell? Surely you jest... (remember, the power-up deal was a
> mistake) They didn't even bother to look at history to see the problems
> HD & low density had when introduced into  the PC and other markets

The power up deal???  A misteak???  Sorry, I beg to differ... we sold a
*lot* of machines that way.

> Addison
> P.S. - I was real excited when I got my 3000, and the 1st thing I did
> was put a high-density disk in the drive & format... which it did... I
> like having it... but I really wish that instead of going to the HD
> floppy (half-speed, and behind the competion by several years, that C=
> had gone to a whole new system... 20M floptical, for instance, etc..., 4
> M floppy, something....)

Have you checked the price of floptical disks lately?
It would make the price tag a tad high.
And since they *can* read DS/DD and HD/DD disks, they can still have it 
as an option on future machines.

James
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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: Floppy size in 1200?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:39:14 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <36692@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>Arghh, I post a simple answer and get a petite diatribe in return.  I'll admit
>that a HD floppy would be nice, perhaps very nice, but I'm not sure whether
>it is really essential on a machine with a built-in hard drive capability.
>
>Is this really a buy/no-buy point for you?

Depends very much on the price.
Let's list the disadvantages:
	No 16bit sound	(competition, Falcon)
	No SVGA gfx	(competitin, clones)
	Limited upgrade path from A500
			(competition, Amiga)
	Keyboard-computer single case
			(competition, clones)
	680E20, against 68030
			(competition, Falcon)
	smaller, less capable floppies
			(competition, everyone else)

Now, we have to weigh these disadvantages against the competition's
disadvantages.  I think we come up pretty much a draw (more or less) and
the deciding factor will be price.  If an A1200 WITH a 40meg harddrive
was $400, it is an outstanding value, and the above limitations could
be understood by the obvious target market.

If an A1200 with a 40meg harddrive and without a 1960 runs for $700, cheap
386 clones (with detached keyboards, reasonable floppies, cheap VGA
monitors included, etc.) run for about that much, and the A1200 becomes
much less attractive.

It is very much up to marketing whether this machine makes sense or not
to have built (with this feature set).

That said, the A600 is worth about $150 in my book, and as I'm pretty
sure Cmdre isn't going to start selling it at that price point, it was a
mistake to have made it.
David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
From: bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Dave's signature and AGA nonsense
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:24:31 CST
Organization: No organization... just my Amiga 3000/25 running UUCP 1.15D

In article <1992Nov5.143643.1@waves.pas.ti.com> macanespie@waves.pas.ti.com writes:
>
> > Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
> >  "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
> > If you think "George Bush" is the answer, you just don't understand the question
>
> Okay Dave, time to change your .sig.	:-(

Yeah, but forget the GB stuff, just get it back to where it said
'lots of cool high-end Amiga systems you can't see yet'. It sounded
more intriguing...  8-)

Speaking of cool things, has anybody even hinted to the possibility that
they might be developing a Zorro III card so that we can plug AGA to our
3000's ???

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From: jts@krk.fi (Janne Siren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 keyboard (A600 owners?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:12:05 GMT
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)

: Hi.  I got the A1200.gif, and I notice that the A1200 keyboard is
: different from my A500 by two keys.  The left shift key is shorter than
: on mine, and there's a new key because of that (left of the 'Z').  And
: the RETURN key has been shortened; there's a new key at the end of the
: "ASDFGH" etc. line.
: 
: Does anyone know what the heck they are?  I assume that they're on the
: A600 and A4000 keyboards as well.

The keyboard in A1200 is exactly like the one in my Amiga 500, those keys you
told us about are for s (scandinavian) and for other keymaps that use chars
like a with dots and o with dots.

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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: does this device exist?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:21:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <36799@cbmvax.commodore.com> <69221@cup.portal.com>
  <36996@cbmvax.commodore.com>

>In article <69221@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) wri
t
>es:
>> >In article <BxD6o6.E34@fc.hp.com> koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>> >> Martin Black (22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Well Any genlock should work.  Just bring up a black screen on your ami
g
>a,
>> >> > and you will be able just amiga m to it.  Of course they are like $200.
>> >>
>> >> That is the wrong direction.  All the genlock advertizements I see say
>> >> "NTSC Composite video out".  That's not what I need; I want NTSC _in_, an
d
>> >> analog (separated) RGB out.  But thanks anyway.
>> >
>> >All the Commodore genlocks have had both RGB and Composite out.  Still, it'
s
>> >pretty expensive.  If you want a nice composite monitor for your TV or VCR,
>> >just pick up a spare 1080 or one of the Commodore C64 color monitors.  Even
>> >the cheaper computer monitors look beautiful as composite video monitors.
>>
>> You STILL don't get it.  He wants an EXTERNAL COMPOSITE input to be
>> transcoded to an RGB output.  The CBM genlocks only give you the AMIGA VIDEO
>> as RGB out.
>
>Since when?

Since they've been built that I recall.  All CBM genlocks I've ever seen
give you composite output of the incoming video.  It overlays the Amiga
video onto the composite signal and sends it back out as composite.

Is there a CBM genlock that takes the composite in and sends it out as RGB?
(We're talking the composite input here, NOT the Amiga video.  Ie. not the
monitor loop through.) If so, that's nice, but I've not seen one yet.  Which
model is it?

>George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
>but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!g
r
>r
>Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com


-Joel
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1200 Display Modes?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:59:38 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <Bx8qu1.IK3@kingston.ac.uk> ee_c420@ceres (Philip Trickett) writes:
> 
> I was just wondering if the A1200 has DBLPAL mode like the A4000

Yes.

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Secondary CPU cache for the Amiga
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:33:04 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <OD.6BadNetOA92-901-231p0_52c45b1f@piraya.bad.se> Mike_Noreen@anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes:
> > CHEAP?! Do you have ANY IDEA of what you're talking about? While DRAM may be
> > cheap, FAST SRAM is NOT. As DaveH and some others have told, 040 is cheaper
> > and more effective power boost than 030 and external cache.
> 
> Yes, but if you've already got a A3000 (with '030), wouldn't it be rather nice 
> to double performance using - say - 512k SRAM? This wouldnt have to be very 
> expensive; less than one tenth of an average '040 accelerator for the A3000...

Yeah, but the software has no real provision for insuring that the things you
want to show up in that 512K for the performance boost really get there.
Cache architectures handle this detail automatically, but at the expense of
cache control chips/circuitry  and (typically) real-fast SRAM.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: Floppy size in 1200?
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:43:43 GMT

In article <phill.01v4@nebula.equinox.gen.nz> phill@nebula.equinox.gen.nz (Phillip Coxon) writes:
>George Robbins (grr@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>
>> > post it was said that the 1200 had an 880K floppy instead of the 
>> > new 1.76M floppy.
>> 
>> It has an 880Kb floppy.
>
>If  a  1.76M  drive  could  be  ordered  as a spare part, is it possible to
>install it into the A1200 without any problems?

  Sure, if it physically fits in the A1200.  From reading all the posts
on the HD floppy I'm getting the impression (George, jump in here if
I'm wrong :-) that the current 1.76M drive is 1.3" tall and the A1200
design dictated a 1.0" tall floppy drive, thus we only get the 880k
drive until such a time as Chinon redesigns the drive down to a
1" tall form factor.

  Of course, I could be entirely wrong here.  I just read the net like
everybody else.  My A3000 has 1.0" tall floppys.  My local dealer
refuses to admit there is a A1200, much less let me get on a waiting
list for one...

>Phill

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From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Moving 500 to 1200, BAD NEWS
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 06:51:20 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> >Take me, I've got a 500 with a Dataflyer SCSI interface linked to a 200mb
> >drive, with a memory card that has 8mb of 80ns SIMMS.
> 
> You really *want* to use those SIMMs in a new (32-bit) 1200?  Why?

Why not. 32-bit is not a problem, just organize these SIMMs into a 32-bit 
structure. 80ns would work great. But, it's no problem. 3rd party solutions 
for using these (probably) common SIMM chips will soon appear, I guess. If 
Greg has waited that long for the A1200, I think he should be able to wait a 
few more months.

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Which HD-Controller is better? 2091 or GVP
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:23:40 GMT

Quoth mike@Turing.ORG (Michael Chapman):

]> >Yep, me. SCSI supports something called LUN's.
]> >(look at the SCSI scanning of HDtoolbox).
]> >This means the every SCSI device can be subdivided in 8 sub units.
]> >You need a LUN-controller for that. If you use this method
]> >with *one* SCSI controller you can get 7*8=56 HD's of your system.

]> You might get some very interesting signal loss with a cable long
]> enough to support such a scenario. :)
]>    | mike@turing.org  Mike Chapman |

I was thinking more along the lines of how nice and comfy red the power
supply would be glowing by sourcing that many HD's :-)

You get the marshmallows, I'll get the sticks, will someone bring weeners
and buns?  :-)

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From: cree@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Cree)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:14:24 GMT

Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: In article <Paula_Lieberman.0702@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
: 
: Hmm, I always considered Agnus a male name. And I myself don't object to

You considered wrong. Agnus is a female name and Angus is a male name.

: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...

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From: tim@lenti.med.umn.edu (Tim Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Does HP Deskwriter = Deskjet?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:06:59 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I have a friend who is upgrading her Mac from a HP Deskwriter
to a laserwriter and wants to sell her Deskwriter.  Is the 
DeskWRITER the same as the DeskJET (except for a cable or
something else simple)?  I want to use it on my A500.

Thanks a lot,

Tim Leonard  tim@lenti.med.umn.edu
From: mascot@bnr.ca (Scott Mason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 50MHz 68040 BSC Accelerator system
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:47:20 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

In article <reaper.720920082@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> reaper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jason Butler) writes:
>jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith) writes:
>
>>In article <reaper.720898133@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> reaper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jason Butler) writes:
>>>The 25 MHz '040 _is_ 50 MHz(50 internal, 25 external).  All internal '040
>>>operations run at 50 MHz.  Maybe this is the reason, don't know.

>>Are you Absolutly sure about that? TO my knowledge the 68040 HAS never been double clocked.
>>and runs at a 25Mhz or 33Mhz internally the same as the external clock..

>I think I'm sure.  One of the Commodore guys posted about it just a few days
>ago.  Someone from C=!! Set us straight.

I'm not from C=. Nevertheless, I have designed w/ the 68040. It uses
two clocks, a Bus Clock (25 | 33 MHz) and a Processor Clock (2X BCLK).
Motorola describes the 68040 by the BCLK frequency. The PCLK is
generated externally, unlike the 486DX2.

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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:34:30 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: eas3714@ultb

In article <Paula_Lieberman.0702@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
> How about Commodore calling some more chips by -male- or sex-neutral names,

Like gary or  buster?

> or better still, leave out the anthropomorphisms........
>

Gee... THAT would be boring.  What do you have against naming the chips?  I
doubt naming the chipset Paula, Lisa and Alice will affect our feminist
sensibilities too much.  Me thinks you're way out on this one.


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From: jmpor@dynam.adsp.sub.org (Jean-Marc Porchet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:30:08 GMT
 <1992Nov4.202447.10362@ra.msstate.edu> <1d9i8gINN9i7@mozz.unh.edu>
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmswi!dynam!jmpor@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Merging Technologies
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In article <1d9i8gINN9i7@mozz.unh.edu>, Gregory G Greene writes:

> 	I'm preparing myself for 2 things, TAX and SPEND.  I figure it won't
>    take Congress and their newly elected buddy to long before they start
>    raising everybodies income tax, along with every other type of tax that
>    they can get there hands on or create.  Look for national gun control 
>    also, one more freedom down the drain.

Do you really think that  being able to buy any kind of gun is a freedom ?

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