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From: jennyb@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Summary: Malamute behavior
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:35:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.gaxjbak
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr13.154655.24127@newshost.lanl.gov> srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>In article <10qj88c.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>>In article <1408@heurikon.heurikon.com> 
>>	 mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer) writes:
[...]
>>Bosh.  Sled dogs have territory -- it's wherever they are!  And I don't
>>believe defending territory has anything to do with defense drive.
>>
>Bosh, bosh, bosh.  Sled dogs are NOT protective animals by nature.  Have you
>ever been around sled dogs? 

Heh.  Brought to mind an experience my husband had with a Malamute...
some introductions are in order first.

Juno was a (male neutered) 120 lb Malamute belonging to my neighbor.
We live in a mostly free-roam rural area (no flames, please) and 
Juno would make his rounds, visiting the neighbor dogs daily.
Unfortunately, he developed hip disease last year and had to be
put down.  He was a friendly and well-liked dog.  But a few years
earlier...

My husband was walking through the neighborhood and encountered
Juno in the back of a strange pickup.  He grabbed Juno by the
scruff, shook him playfully, and verbally greeted him, "Hi, Juno.."
But something about the dog was wrong...no light of recognition
dawned in the dog's eyes...my husband realized he had the wrong
dog.  I'm sure his guts hit the floor as he let go of the dog
and backed off.  

Through this confusing episode (from the dog's point of view),
the dog never growled or acted aggressive in the least.  My
husband met the dog's owner later and had a good laugh over it.

Incidentally, Juno's owners had a Chow dog too, at one time.
Juno and the Chow had a bloody dogfight _in someone else's lawn_,
about 1/2 mile away, with no bitches in heat in the area.  The
Chow was injured so severely the owners had to find him another
home.

Jenny Ballmann
jennyb@carina.unm.edu

P.S. Hey, Small Systems, how about using your name?  It's kinda  
disconcerting to follow up to a legal entity :)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: tami@b15.b15.ingr.com (tami merkel)
Subject: Re: Collies
Keywords: Show Obedience Herding
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:15:22 GMT

In <7719@travis.csd.harris.com> lend@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (L. E. Deroeck) writes:

>To the rest of the net Hello!  Are there any other sheltie or collie people
>out there?

Count me in as a Sheltie lover!!

>Len DeRoeck
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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: ? Dutch Shepherd ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:53:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <d-yjyy-.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.151109.15168@ll.mit.edu> 
>	 wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro) writes:
>>
.....discription deleted.

>It's not a breed, really -- in that the Dutch don't care about pedigree
>or conformation.  They say, "when a dog bites, his looks are unimportant".
>

Yes it is.  See my other post.  They do care about pedegrees.  The
Dutch have a VERY extensive kennel of Borzois which private breeders
take great pride in.

>At the NKPD trials, in the Netherlands, I saw a lot of Malinois/GSD mixes,
>a few with a little Bouvier thrown in, etc.
>

Police dog's don't have to be purebred either.  I've seen many mixbreed
drug-sniffers here in the US.  The idea police dog is any dog that can
preform the required duties.  If it's mix or pure, so be it.

>Probably a Malinois/GSD/Tervuren mix.  Nasty dogs. Woof.  It's fun to
>watch them overtake a fleeing bad-guy and take him out of his bicycle seat.
>Very high energy, lotta drive, and *not* a pet.
>

The Dutch Shepherd is a VERY intelligent, gentle, and quick HERDING
dog.  Not an attack dog, and not of "Nasty" temperament.

>Michael Sierchio
>-- 
>Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
>sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116
>
>The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily

This is the second time I've seen you give information on a breed that
you obiously have no clue about.  I and others would appreciate that
you study these breeds before you give out faulty information.

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Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF   tri-color collies
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: INRS@ricevm1.rice.edu (April O. Henry)
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.124112.1927@inland.com>
walls@inland.com writes:

>
>I seen this in the newspaper and I felt I had to share this with all of
>you. Please forgive me, it is quite long, but after you read it you'll
>understand.
>               Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They?
>..... You never had a bad day and I could LWys count on you to be there for
>me.
>                     ...You never asked for anything more than to have me
>pat your head so you could go to sleep with your head over my leg...

>As the vet led you away, you stopped for an instant,turned your head and
>looked up at me as if to say:"Thank you for taking care of me". I thought,
>"NO! ---thank YOU for taking care of me.
>
>
First, I want to thank you for sharing this story with us.  I have gone
through the subsequent post and like one reader got teary eyed at work
over my keyboard. sniff-sniff.

I am sorry to see that someone had to jump in with all of the "undeniable"
answers and do so in the name of Christianity.

It is a shame that SOME self-professed "Christians" seem compelled to
act like they have all the answers to life.  I am beginning to think
that such apparent arrogance is nothing more than a cloak over shallow
emptiness.

Whether a dog, or ANY living thing has a soul, who can really say but
the creator of them all.  A SOUL?????  I believe that we are all part
of God, just as many children are all part of the Father.  Sure we all
have varring characteristics but that does not deny a relationship with
the Father.  I personally believe that we (everything) was created to
glorify God, whether or not we actually live up to that purpose is
another matter.  As Christians, we are given two main directives by Jesus

As Christians (for those of you who profess to be), we are given two
main directives by Jesus Christ:
         Love the Lord God with you whole heart  and  Love others as I
have first loved you.  If we are to follow those commands is seems to
me that we need to be a little (a LOT) less self-righteous in our dealings
with others.  After all, Jesus Christ lowered himself from Prince in the
Kingdom to a totally humbling death.  Think about that this week.(ie HOLY WEEK)

If Christianity is suppose to be about self-giving love, I've seen a
lot of dogs (as portrayed in the story originally shared) that act
more Christ-like than some self-professed Christians.    Take heed,
(I BELIEVE) Christianity is an ongoing relationship and a process of
continually delving in for more knowledge and faith in God, His ways,
His creation, etc... Anything less is foolishness------and a waste of time.
              IN MY OPINION.
                            signed a "self-professed Christian"
                            still in the process of LEARNING
                                            april

P.S.  In the end dogs are loving, loyal, truthful companions
      that's all that matters when considering if they have
      a soul or not, isn't it?
From: guelzow@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:48:02 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <28610@brahms.udel.edu>, thuyan@brahms.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
> A friend of mine and I are in the midst of an argument and I would like
> help from all you on the net.
> 
> A little background:  
> 
> I have a 3year old husky named Sheba.  She is VERY friendly and loves
> everyone.  She has a great disposition and is great with children (my 7
> year old niece can ride her and pull on her ears and she does not blink
> an eye)>  She is a little mischevious and when daddy plays rough with
> her, she will nip at him in play.
> 
> My friend has a 3year old Rottie/Spaniel mix.  He is very terratorial.
> Hates children and barks at anything that moves. (Sheba does not bark)
> He practically leaps through the window to get at the mailman (see
> bloody curtains).
> 
> So, I claim that if I was ever threatened, I mean truly threatened where
> I was scared, Sheba would be as much protection as the Rottie mix.  I
> contest that a dog does not have to be vicious all the time to be
> protection.  She claims Sheba is too docile and friendly to be of any
> protection. 
> 
> Anyone have any feelings on this?  Do I need to get a vicious dog to get
> protection or can I feel safe with the little cotton ball?  Is the only
> threat she presents to people a threat of being licked to death??
> 
> thanx,
> Thuy-An
--
Already the presence of a Husky should be as much protection as you would
require unless the attacker is armed such that s/he wouldn't have to fear
a Rottie either.

I have a nice sweet non-barking Shetland Sheepdog, who is usually very nice
to everybody but if I meet people I don't like on the street she does start
to growl indicating she would think about defending us. Once while I took
a shower our Landlady entered the appartment with a new possible tenant. 
Although the Landlady knew the dog and they were usually quite friendly
to each other, Morgaine growled and barked at them such that they didn't dare
stepping further into the place. And the bark was definitely "I rip your
head off" kind of bark. 
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Andreas Guelzow  Dept. of Mathematics & Comp. Sc. Brandon University MB Canada
Guelzow@BrandonU.Ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: manual@ssd.intel.com (Tech PubsManual)
Subject: Re: incontinence in l yr old
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:34:18 GMT

In article <92101.124133BWARREN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> BWARREN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>A l year old Lab friend of mine seems to be suffering from incontinence.  She h
>as been treated for a few months now with DES (estrogen) but it hasn't seemed t
>o help.  The vet says that spayed bitches will sometimes develop this trouble d
>ue to a loss of estrogens.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Abby seems so yo
>ung to have this problem.  Anyone have any suggestions?  Thanks for your help.

What a coincidence! I just took my almost 4 yr old female
Akita in because of "bed-wetting". She would lose bladder
control when she slept at night. The vet put her on estrogen
as well -- urine sample and palpations did not reveal anything.

Tanuki takes her pills 2x a week. It's been a week and so far so
good. No more bed-wetting -- yes, my bed. :-(

-erin
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Mother Knows Best by Carol Lee Benjamin
Date: 16 Apr 1992 17:14:18 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu
Summary: You should read it
Keywords: books, dogs, puppies

I just received my copy of this book, and I must say I'm impressed
with it as a puppy book.  A lot of it goes along hand-in-hand with the
Monks puppy book, but I think Benjamin gives an interesting
perspective.  

You may or may not agree with all that is in the book.  For example,
here are a couple of paragraphs early on in the book.  

	No matter how the pup transgresses, no matter how angry the bitch
becomes, she never denies him his nourishment.  He  never goes to bed
without his supper.  Nor does she offer tidbits of food, treats beneath
the table, extra portions of dessert to reward good behavior.  Eating
is eating and education is education.  

	The primitive organism we call *dog* can neither think nor
concentrate in the presence of food.  His mind is aswirl with the
nutty flavor of aged cheese, the potential crunchy goodness of a baked
biscuit, the spicy, greasy, burning deliciousness of a small bit of
salami.  The odors fill his nostrils, fill his brain, hold him firm.
While he seems to learn and will perform his tasks for food rewards, he
is working in robotlike fashion and is not getting educated.  He will
repeat a pattern of behavior, in zombielike fashion, while drunk with
desire for the proffered tidbit.  Sadly, he will not get hooked on
learning this way.  His training will remain at a mediocre level with
the use of rewards that are not historically valid, rewards his mother
never used.  

She uses praise, contact, play and toys to motivate puppies, but she
does not recommend food training a young puppy.  She does recommend 
crate training and she also recommends sleeping in the same room with
the puppy.  She provides methods to teach no, OK, good dog, bad dog,
sit stay heel, come, down, stand, go, enough, over, out, cookie,
speak, take it, wait and off to puppies. She talks about canine
language and talks some about mental games you can play with your dog
such as mirror games, and copying your dog and having him copy you,
chase games and even playing rough with your puppy.  

I am not quite finished with the book, but I can certainly recommend
it as a book to read before getting a puppy.  I did not necessarily
agree with all that I read, but IMHO, that is OK.  I found the book
making me think about relationships, learning and training.  The book
is about 250 pages long, but is very easy reading.  Foster and Smith
have it for < $14 if there is not a copy in your local library.  I
think it is well worth the money and the time to read.

Most training methods rely on the foundational relationship between an
owner and his dog, and this book profides some ideas on establishing
that relationship while the puppy is still young.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett)
Subject: Re: re: doggie out-house (doggie dooley)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:58:18 GMT

From article <1992Apr9.204537.7954@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, by emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley):

{detailed description of"doggie doolie" deleted}
> 
> Place the dooley in a sandy spot that doesn't flood
> when it rains.  Ours is in a bad spot and after all
> the rain we had last September, we had to stop using
> it.  The enzymes only work above 40 degrees so it is
> not usable all year in most areas.
>

{advise on its use deleted also}

I am considering one of these things for my next house "the dog house".
If you can't use it in the winter, what do you do with the er...stuff?
Three to four months is a long time to "hold it"

dave
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kudzu@tfs.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: long haired German Shepard?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:02:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.190003.16972@macc.wisc.edu> 
	heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>In another thread in this group someone mentioned that her insurance 
>agent said her polocy wouldn't cover her if she owned a Rottweiler, 
>Doberman, Pit Bull, or GS.  I thought it was strange that they'd 
>assume viciousness in the GS - a dog bred for shepherding.

A small percentage of GSDs are used for handling and guarding sheep --
not herding, as in the Collie breeds, but droving, protecting from auto
traffic, encircling, driving into and out of pens, etc. The annual
German competition event is the Bundesleistungshuete, for HGH (Herden
Gebrauchtshund) GSDs. Two dogs handle between 200-800 sheep!

Most GSDs are *not* bred for herding, and never were -- in the last 50
years most GSDs in Germany are bred for a much harder temperament,
stronger prey drive, etc. for the demands of Police work, Schutzhund,
Search and Rescue, etc.

In the U.S. the misconception that the GSD is a herding dog is
reinforced by the brain-dead decision by the AKC to put the dog in the
Herding Category -- but then, that's in keeping with their general
level of competence.  It belongs in the working category with Dobes and
Rotts (which were also originally used as a droving and draft animal).

-- 
Michael Sierchio                               TRW Financial Systems
kudzu@tfs.com                                     1947 Center Street
                                             Berkeley, CA 94704-1105
(MKS2)                                                  510.704.3380
From: gms@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: preg tests was dog kills another
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:17:32 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster


There was a question about preg testing a bitch...

Well there has been such a test on the market here for about
12months.I don't know how effective it is or the cost but if
you really want to know I will find a advertorial on it. It
is aimed at the serious breeder, not someones whose bitch strays and
might or might not be...

As one breeder said "they are either pregnant or not, we will know
soon enough!"

As your friend is does not have a thought out breeding plan then
she should take the bitch to be spayed. This is not a flame BUT 
if a bitch in season cannot be kept secure then the owners are
certainly not ready to breed from that bitch.

(As for the other incident, I doubt if a 8month old bitch puppy
could/would kill an adult golden, find someone who saw the incident,
have the golden post mortemed etc, she wasn't just feeding on the
carcas was she? A reluctant bitch can be snappy and will sit down
to prevent a dog mounting, fight other females etc)

'enough said

Michele
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan)
Subject: Re: Snakes and Dogs
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:52:17 GMT


	There are some rattlers in the Boulder area, as well as bull snakes.
I have a friend whose large dog was bitten by a rattler (on the nose).  He
walked his dog back to the truck and took her to the vet.  If memory serves
me right, the vet did nothing. He said most dogs (large ones anyway) will not
have serious problems from snake bites, just watch the dog for any reactions
and bring her back if there seems to be a problem.  He didn't have to take the
dog back and there were no problems or reactions.

Val

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark)
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Reply-To: michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 03:06:03 GMT

Animal thefts do happen, this is a fear of pet owners everywhere.  I
have to re-emphasize a couple of things with regard to this issue.
First of all, if your dog is missing or stolen, which in this case it
appears that stolen is the issue, you have a responsibility to report
it to the police.  As a Police Officer one of the worst things I have
to say is "There is not much we can do about it"  Unfortunately this
is the case a good deal of the time.  HOWEVER, IF we receive several
reports of thefts, or vandalism or whatever the case might be, then we
can justify spending some time on this case, I am sorry to say that
most of the time it comes down to economics, priorities etc.  DON'T
make the mistake of thinking that you are bothering the police, it's
their damn job to be bothered by the public, so call them!

As for the suggestion to tatoo the dog, this is a great idea check
with your vet about it, and if he does not do this you can purchase a
kit to do it yourself, and it's fairly inexpensive.

Call the shelters, call the local vets and tell them of your loss,
they can be on the lookout for your dog.....
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dogs Don't Have Soles, Do They??
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:21:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

My dog doesn't wear shoes.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: building a kennel
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:07:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.d#sjt#l.sss
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr9.133734.24717@b11.ingr.com> 
	 bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
>
>Anyway, the dog I am getting is a male American Staffordshire Terrier.
>He will come from the same people who bred my female Staffie Bull Terrier
>(I have a male GSD too).  The breeder has convinced me that I must build
>a 30'x10' fully-enclosed, concrete-floored, containment structure.  He said
>his dogs have escaped over 10' chainlink fences before.  The litter is due
>May 15.

Almost any big, strong dog can get over a 10' fence.  Train them not to,
and built a 6' fence....

-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Heeling advice requested
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:20:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.021339.2845@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>Just to add one suggestion to those offered by Marla's excellent
>post on heeling:
>
>Something that helped us get our German Shepherd to heel better
>was to do an "about-face" turn whenever he started getting away.
>That way, he had to stay closer to us to watch where we were
>going.  Invariably, we'd do the turn, walk about 10 feet, do
>another turn, 10 feet, another turn, 10 feet, then we'd just
>try to walk straight for awhile.  By that time, he'd be hanging
>much closer to us.  We also just used a quick "jerk & release"
>with the training collar, but never said no, just repeated the
>dog's name and "heel,boy" in a peppy voice.
>
Our trainer highly recommended this approach.  Our trainer is very
animated and we're all laughing with her most of the time.  She shows
us how to do something, explains why, and then describes it from the
dog's point of view.  When she was showing this "about face"
technique, she said we may never leave the driveway for the first
few days.  Her explanation of when the "light" goes on in your dog's
head was, "Oh, gosh, mom's drunk again.  I stick close by her and help
her get around the block."