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From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Guitar buying advice
Organization: NASA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:48:44 GMT

William Joseph Barry writes:
> I want to buy a nice acoustic guitar but I have no idea how much a good one
> should cost.  I'm very limited financially so I want the most guitar for
> my money.  Please help me.  Thanks

  I play a Yamaha FG470-SA.  I bought it for $550 including tax and a hardshell  
case a little over a year ago.  It's a dreadnought-style guitar, and plays very  
well for the money.  I've had absolutely no regrets since buying it.

  A friend of mine recently bought a Yamaha FG450-SA for $425 including tax and  
a cheaper case.  It actually plays better than mine, IMHO, but the sound is not  
quite as good.  Still, it has a very warm tone.  The way it plays is most  
likely a function of how the guitar is set up than of its construction quality.   
He probably just needs to change the strings to improve the sound.

  Both of these are great guitars for the money.  If you consider buying a  
Yamaha, stick with the models in this range or above.  (The FG470-SA was the  
nicest mass-produced guitar they made when I bought it; the handmades go for  
more.)  BTW... the nicer Yamahas all have enclosed (sealed?) tuning head  
mechanisms; the student models have exposed gears.  That's not bad by itself,  
but it's generally consistant with the overall quality of the guitar.

  I've also played a few Alvarez guitars in the same price range that I liked,  
but I'm not as familiar with their line.  (The Alvarez-Yairi handmades are out  
of my range for now...  sigh.)

  Good luck in your search.  Don't let a salesman tell you what to buy, and  
don't be afraid to bargain when you've found what you want.  My '470 listed for  
over $600 without a case!

Regards,

Steve

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers,alt.guitar.bass
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu(131.216.1.11) for 8/31 **
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:49:33 GMT

In <1992Sep1.050255.26527@nevada.edu> jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender) writes:
>	Peter Gabriel
>		Soles Bury Hill c

Anyone who's read the album sleeve (like the submitter of this) should
know that it's "Solsbury Hill".   RRRRRRRRRR............
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
               The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent;
   that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard
      to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.
From: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se (Brad Steele)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Effects Loop?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:47:51 GMT
Reply-To: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

I just recently bought a new amp with a couple of jacks labeled
"effects loop".  What is this for?  What type of effects should
I use with it?  Are there effects that I should run between the
guitar and the amp instead?  Also, what are knobs labeled "bottom"
and "edge" used for?  These may be stupid questions, but my last
amp had very few features.  "Why did I buy this if I didn't know
what all the features did?", you might ask.  It was cheap, loud,
and I like the way it sounds with my guitar.

Brad
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: walsh@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Subject: Johnny B Goode and Hurricane Andrew
Reply-To: walsh@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Organization: RSMAS
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:21:12 GMT

Does anyone out there care to post the lyrics to Johnny B. Goode. I'm old
enough that they should be ingrained in my subconscience, but it's Friday
afternoon and my brain just doesn't seem to want to access that file. Also,
if any of you out there desire news on Miami and Hurricane Andrew, or possibly
people/places in particular, drop me a line. Maybe a fun thread to develop for
tab postings would be songs dealing with hurricanes? Cheers! Pat Walsh
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:34:12 GMT

>company made it.  As far as my HA HAing Guild guitars, I've never
>found one that had much sound, although (because?) they are built like
>a brick s*ithouse.  I suspect that's also why so many country players

	the way I see it, the main problem with Guild is that
	they're too heavily built. Could be just my extremely
	bad luck though, maybe I've tried only lemons.
	But from MY personal experience I'd say that Guilds
	are not responsive enough, any HD-28 I've held moves
	air better and faster...

	have to admit tho, that with really good guitars
	we're awfully close of matters of taste. Suddenly
	it's not so easy to say which guitar is better,
	but sure they are different.

	pasi

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: serge@marvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: Which Fender Strat is best ?
Organization: The Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:48:00 GMT

In article <3SEP199214220802@zeus.tamu.edu>, spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
|> Serge Ah Hee writes...
|> >I myself had a Squier, I thought the action on the fretboard wasn't as 
|> >good as a standard strat. The pickups are not the greatest. But it is a
|> >good beginner's guitar. However, if you have the money, get a standard
|> >strat. IMHO, always get the best guitar you can buy (I must ephasize CAN)
|> >You won't regret it...
|> 
|> +--------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+
|> Actually, I actually favour my S. Strat to some Fenders that I've played.
|> Like I said, replacing the pickups is almost a must if you're planning to 
|> play seriously (i.e. for anyone's benifit outside your own).
|> 
|> Although it's kinda nice to be able to say that you're playing a real honest-
|> to-gosh FENDER Strat, many well-known guitarists use or have used Squiers
|> (Jeff Healey springs to mind--I believe his guitar-of-choice is still a
|> Squier, and I've seen Andy Summers and even Stevie Ray Vaughan play them
|> [noting, of course that they also use many other guitars, including Fenders]).
|> 
|> The Strat's a real good, reasonably cheap workhorse guitar.  Absolutely great
|> for introducing people to playing.  
|> 
|> But it is by no means the be-all, end-all of guitars.  Which means you
|> should probably by a Les Paul, too.
 
|> 
|> 
|> -SubG
|> 
Oops, I didn't mean to imply that the Strat was The Guitar to buy. FOr me, it is.
I can't afford a Les Paul right now. I had one for a week, man that thing sounds
good and feels good to the fingers. I have my eye on a tigerstriped custom, but
the going price is 1300-1600 canadian (sigh) :(
-- 
Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:51:57 EDT
From: Felter <CWF102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Looking for a Blues riff

Any help would certainly be appreciated on the following matter... I need a
simple blues riff to write a song to.  It's not in any way a serious song.  It
is entitled "The Low Down and Dirty, Evrybody Hates Me Blues".  It's an attempt
at humor on my part.  I've got some lyrics written down, but I need a tune.  If
anyone could jot down a tab of a "I've got those (blah, blah, blah) Blues" kind
of song I would be forever grateful.
-stymie
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What is an envelope filter
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:14:20 GMT
	<1992Aug24.192201.21716@dgbt.doc.ca>
	<1992Aug26.223438.4389@pride386.PP.COM>
	<1992Aug27.122641.18554@dgbt.doc.ca>
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1992Aug27.122641.18554@dgbt.doc.ca> serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:
>
>Does anybody know any brand, model and price?
>
>-- 
>Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
>serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
>                                only care for what they want."
>My opinions are mine only.


IMHO, the best one was the Boss Auto Filter.  This is not to be confused
with the Boss Auto Wah -- they're different animals.  Why is the Auto
Filter so good?  For two reasons:  one, it has an adjustable pass band
width which let's you customize the sound.  And most importantly, it has
a control voltage input to act as the frequency sweeper -- this will let
you use a regular old volume pedal to make the thing work like a standard
wah-wah.  Very nifty.  The Auto Wah is new and its the same as the Auto
Filter except that is doesn't have the CV input.  Now the bad news:  as
near as I can tell the Auto Filter has been discontinued.  The Auto Wah
goes for about $80 from what I've seen.

The kind I use is a relatively old (~5 years) Ibanez, the model name of
which I can not remember.  Its neat because it has alot of control
of the filter (resonance, frequency range, and sweep direction).  I
can make some sounds with it and my guitar that are very synth-like
and you might never guess its a guitar.  Its been discontinued as
well.

Some of the ART rack things have an envelope filter algorithm.  I've
not been very impressed with them, but I've not gotten to mess about
with the parameters so they might actually be okay once adjusted
properly.


David.
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.045100.11948@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
|> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <Bto14D.KDA@scd.hp.com>, brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver) writes:
|> >|>It the eternal quest for new and different sounds...
|> >|>
|> >|>Has anyone played around with using a bow (like that used with a violin)
|> >|>on a guitar?  I realize the traditional position of a guitar might make
|> >|>it a bit awkward, but it could generate some interesting sounds.
|> >|>
|> >|>Don't most stringed instruments use nylon strings?  Would there be an
|> >|>additional problem trying to use a bow on the metal strings of an
|> >|>acoustic or electric guitar?
|> >|>
|> >|>Thoughts or experiences?
|> 
|> >Jimmy Page used a bow on one of his Les Pauls for the song 'Kashmir'.  You
|> >can see this on the film "the Song Remains the Same".  The was another
|> >guitarist I saw recently doing this, but sadly I cannot remember who.  
|> >I think it was some Metal(/Glam?) band.
|> 
|> >|>
|> >|>							Brett Carver
|> >|>							(707) 577-4344
|> >|>							brett@sr.hp.com
|> >               
|> 
|> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> >Maurice LaBiche (Mo.L.)         |   labiche@bnr.ca
|> 
|> I think the glam band u were referring to might have been Whitesnake...
|> I recall seeing one of the film clips back abouit 5-6 years ago, and the
|> lead player was playing with a bow (Vandenberg????) certainly before Vai
|> 
|> Can't quite remember the song, 'bout the time of "Is This Love?", had 
|> Tawny Kitaen in the vid (sha-wing :-))
|> 
|> Adam
|> University of Western Australia
|> 

The song was "Still of the Night" of their self-titled album.  Adrian throws a 
little bow action in at the end of teh solo.  It's really wild!!!

Experiment!

-John
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fishead@cwis.unomaha.edu (David L. Britton)
Subject: Guitar Refinishing (Suggestions)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:30:30 GMT

I need suggestions on how to refinish a guitar (i.e. staining, painting, air
brushing, etc.)  

Any tips on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: Ty Tabor's Guitar Sound
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:22:11 GMT


>In article <1992Aug15.125041.336@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, zool175@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>From: zool175@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
>Newsgroups: alt.guitar
>Subject: Re: Ty Tabor's Guitar Sound
>Date: 15 Aug 92 00:50:41 GMT
>
>I read in a guitar mag that in addition to his "mystery" tube amp he also
>used a Pierce Gr100 solid state amp.

Phil Keaggy also uses the Pearce GR100 solid state preamp (rack unit).  Pearce
also went under last year.  Both players have that real dynamic sustaining
sound.

--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:15:41 -0400 
From: William Joseph Barry <wb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Guitar buying advice

I want to buy an nice acoustic guitar but I have no idea how much a good one
should cost.  I'm very limited financially so I want the most guitar for
my money.  Please help me.  Thanks

Bill Barry
From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!tmn1.austin.ibm.com!tung
Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations Division.

Have you watched "Spinal Tap"?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Which Fender Strat is best ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:03:00 GMT

chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com () writes...
>Can anyone tell me which type of Strat is best American or Mexican ? Are
>any of the Japanese copies as good ? Also what sort of prices should you
>pay ? Thanks.

+----------------------------------------SubG----------------------------------+
Actually, Squire Strats are pretty nice if yer willing to do a little work on
your guitar (i.e., put in new pickups).

And they're significantly less expensive than their Fender counterparts (I got
my Squire Strat [new] a few years back for $300).







-SubG
From: mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         )
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: nonstandard guitar techniques
Date: 29 Aug 1992 18:35:49 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <basinski-280892170958@lully.biosci.arizona.edu> basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski) writes:
>all this talk of bows, drumsticks, etc, there was a gizmo called
>the "gizmotron" which was invented by Godley and Creme (it 
>is a thing that bolts over the bridge and buttons connected
>to electric motors cause little rotating
>thingies to "drive" the strings individually
>for a sustained "bowed-like" effect)....supposedly this was
>invented when these guys had nailed a strat to the wall and
>proceded to attack it with an electric drill.....
>
Hmmm... According to the less than reliable "Hammer of the Gods"
the 'gizmotron' was for Jimmy Page (they say who built it) and
was a little box with an antenna.  As you get closer to the antenna
the pitch would change.  In addition there was a knob that could
adjust the 'source pitch' (speculation).  It is clearly seen on
the movie "Song Remains the Same" when they play, I think, 
Whole Lotta Love.  Page and Plant join a 'pitched' (pun intended)
battle with one another, synchronizing their whines and screams in
stereo effect.  Bonham and Jones just kind of look at them...

That movie is HIGHLY recomended, even though, YES I KNOW, it isn't
supposed to be that great of a performance, but considering I was
in 2nd grade the last time they toured, I doubt  I will ever get
to see them truly live.

Another interesting part of the movie is "Dazed and Confused."  Extensive
"bowing" there.  And someone made a comment earlier, asking what would
happen with the steel strings and horsehair bow?  Bow loses big-time.
By the midpoint of the song, you can see that about half the strands
are ripped.  

I think Page said he could play two strings at a time, but I have
heard little else about it.  I don't think he brought it to any
advanced state of development....  

By the way, does anyone know any technical specifications of my
'version' (description) of the gizmotron?  I think I have the 
basic idea of how it really works, but I won't belabor the net
with a first draft version...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93)
Subject: Rust problems - PLEASE HELP
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:25:14 GMT

	I've got a 1990 Ibanez EX120 that I just got a year and a half ago.
The problem is that for the past two summers, I've been living on Long Beach
Island, in New Jersey.  The salty sea air there rusts everything much more
quickly than things normally rust, and all the metal parts of my guitar have
rust on them.  The pickup selector fades out and you have to wiggle it and 
push it this way and that to get it to work, the pickups have rust on them,
the jack has dropout, etc.  It's really annoying me, and since it's a new
guitar, I don't want to mess with taking it apart, as I'm not that experienced
with the inside workings of electrics.
	Does anyone know any easy way to remove rust from metal surfaces?
			Thanx in advance,
-- 

					Aaron


==================================================================================
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  B4ILUVU, UCT, RU   |         Anyone who says differently is selling something."
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From: mayer@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (James Mayer)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:51:39 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Jerry Garcia and Bob weir both use standard tuning slide technique.  I
myself have developed this technique.  It allows for better improvosational
playing at any time throughout a song; you simply pick up your slid at any
time.  It also allows for unconfused fingering you may want to do during
your slide work.

		-jim.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cpeckham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Peckham)
Subject: Re: nonstandard guitar techniques
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: e-bow
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:37:21 GMT

Another 'bowing' gadget is the e-bow which Scottish rock band Big Country
used to (still?) use.  It kind of looks like a letter 'e' and is, to the 
best of my knowledge, hand held over the strings.  A fluctuating magnetic
field makes the strings vibrate as if bowed.  Don;t know if you can still
get it.
                               Chris
From: c9037251@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: BLUES AMPS
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:26:13 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

I am in the market for a new amp and I would appreciate any advice
on the following amps.

	1. Fender '59 Bassman Reissue
	2. Fender "The Twin"
	3. Fender Vibroverb Reissue
	4. Any type of old Fender.

	I only play blues (probably 90% clean and a little distortion
thrown in for a change) so I want a really good amp that I will be really
happy with.  I am mainly after a perfect clean amp.

	The only amp I have heard, that I like, is the Bassman.  I
haven't heard the Twin or the Vibroverb enough to make an opinion yet.
At the moment I'm probably leaning toward the Bassman, but if someone has
had any bad experiences with them (or good experiences with other amps)
please let me know.

	Also, in the July (?) issue of Guitar Player I've heard that the
playing setup of many blues players was listed.  This issue hasn't
arrived in Australia yet so I would also appreciate any information about
the setup's for SRV or Eric Clapton (and others such as Albert King, Buddy
Guy etc if they are there).

Thanks in Advance,

Jason

email c9037251@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: goldrick@ug.cs.dal.ca (Majeed  Goldrick)
Subject: Buying a new guitar
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:42:33 GMT

Hi everyone,

Well, I've finally saved up enough money to buy a new guitar.  Right now
I'm playing a Strat, but it doesn't feel quite right for the type of music 
I'm playing right now - mainly Folk and lots of Jazz.  What I'd really 
like is an acoustic or electric hollow body.  I'd like something with 
a low action, but that still lets me dig into the strings, like I can on my 
old acoustic.  Also, I often find that jazz guitars sound too muted and
"whimpy" - I'd like the best compromise between a "jazz hollowbody"  and
a full blown acoustic.

So what I'm looking for are suggestions on what's out there for under 
two grand?  And more importantly, what guitar stores should I look at 
in N.Y.C. or Boston and their respective surrounding areas?  I know that
buying a guitar is a pretty subjective thing, but I'm just looking for some
initial input - I plan to give a bunch of guitars a real "workout" before
I buy.  I had been looking at the Ibanez Artist series a few years ago, but
now I find that they are no more.  Are there others along the same lines?

Please E-mail me...

Majeed
From: tom@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Hofner Guitar Query (repost)
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:35:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

(Aplogogies if folks have seen this already, I have reason to
believe the original post did not get distributed)

I was wondering if any of you folks could offer some info on a very
strange guitar I've just been given.  It's a Hofner Senator Thin;
hollow body, cello cut, single pick-up electric (no. 1109).
I would guess that it dates from the sixties and it's obviously a
(cheap?) copy of a famous model but I don't know which.  Any suggestions?
The body and style is Gibson(ish) (335?)  It's got this really weird
tail-piece - the Hofner Compensator - which is like a staggered six
finger set of claws. 

I'm curious to know what "allusions to grandeur" this guitar has and
when it dates from.

If it's any help on the description front - it's VERY similar to the Washburn
J6 Classic (except for single pick-up).  That's the only current production
model that I've been able to compare it to.

Hope some guitar guru can shed some light...

tom.

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