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From: cckrasic@math (Charlie Krasic (Buck))
Subject: Re: Newton Technology
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:06:55 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.193216.5158@ulrik.uio.no> rivero@cc.unizar.es (rivero) writes:
|>
|>   In article <1992Nov14.095726.13059@nntp.hut.fi> Juri Munkki,
|>   jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi writes:
|>   >The enthusiasm that people have for Newton technology will be one of
|>   >its possible keys to success. Would you rather have a situation where
|>   >no one ever gets exited about anything: "Oh yeah, I've seen that kind
|>   >of thing before, so what's new?".
|>
|>   For me, the new thing is ARM610, even thought before Apple other
|>   manufacturers had similar proposals with this chip; actually I
|>   dont know of any other pen-system using this or a similar chip. 
|>   In fact, almost all the proposals 486 bases. I expect the garbage
|>   collection will be better here.

What about AT&T's Hobbit chips?  My understanding is that they are also
low-power comsumption RISC processors just like the ARM610.  They are
supposed to be the basis of the new EO machines, which sound like they
are going to be available much sooner than the Newton.   

Of course, the EO machines are supposed to cost in the $3000-4000 range,
as opposed to the Newton's price (under $1000?).  Despite the price
difference, I am much more enthusiastic about the EO machines.  Newton
seems to be very nearly a closed architecture.  Sure they talk about their
external developer program, but that is mostly a crock in my opinion...


--
Charlie Krasic                  \Programming Language Group
                                 \Dept. of Computer Science
email: cckrasic@plg.UWaterloo.ca  \  University of Waterloo
Phone: (519) 888-4822              \ Waterloo, Ont. N2L 3G1
From: michael@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Perelman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Resume on HP 95
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:51:54 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


Does the HP 95 have a resume feature, or do you have to reboot each time you
turn it on.

Michael Perelman
michael@ecst.csuchico.edu
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Anyone here have a Zeos PC?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:29:59 GMT
	<raboczi.721509230@s1.elec.uq.oz.au>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: raboczi@elec.uq.oz.au's message of 11 Nov 92 19:13:50 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Nov 92 19:13:50 GMT, raboczi@elec.uq.oz.au (Simon Raboczi) said:

Simon> I begin to wonder about these complaints about the power
Simon> management on the Zeos.  Mine runs for weeks on a set of AAs.
Simon> Maybe this is because I don't have any PCMCIA cards in it yet.
Simon> Maybe it's because I pulg it into a wall socket when I'm at
Simon> home.  Any other Zeos owners care to comment on battery life?

I don't own a Zeos but I do own a Sharp PC-3100. The PC-3100
documentation explicitly stated that even when the unit is not in use,
one should keep it connected to the adaptor. For this will
significantly improve the battery life. The point is that when the
unit is off, it is still drawing power.

---
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

True end is not in the reaching of the limit,
  but in a completion which is limitless.                         -- Tagore
From: hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Data Entry on 95lx
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:31:54 GMT

cedler@boi.hp.com (Chris Edler) writes:

>Hans de Vreught (hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl) wrote:
>: 
>: I think they have created a hard link NEW to the inbound directory so
>: everything that is send in becomes visible in NEW. The system manager is away
>: for a couple of months due to an accident (or something like that). So you
>: have to look in the directory distrib/hp95lx/NEW.

>..I just tried getting into the inbound directory on eddie, and got a
>"permission denied".  Any ideas?  Any other ftp sites have the new stuff?

That's because it is drwx-wx-wx and not drwxr-xr-x. So you can put something
in it but you can't read what's in it. Again, just look in NEW for the new
stuff.

On your question if other ftp sites have new stuff: yes and no. Some ftp sites
acts as mirrors of eddie's stuff. So there you can find the NEW stuff as well.
But of course that's the same stuff as eddie's.

Beside eddie, hpcsos.col.hp.com /mirrors/hp95lx seems up to date.
--
Hans de Vreught                          | John von Neumann:
hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl               | Young man, in mathematics
Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
The Netherlands                          | you just get used to them.
From: jrlee@lbl.gov (Jason Lee (SFSU student))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Price of a hp95lx?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 05:01:51 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: portnoy.lbl.gov
Keywords: price, hp95lx

Can some kind soul answer my question?
  What is a fair pirce to pay for a hp95lx?
  It's in good condition, but has only the 512kb of RAM.
   What would be considered a 'GOOD' deal.

Please e-mail me as I have trouble keeping up on all the 
news in these news groups.

Thx,
Jason

jrlee@lbl.gov
jason@sfsu.edu
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Pricing of HP 95LX Vs Psion Series 3
Date: 22 Nov 1992 20:22:21 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Keywords: HP95LX, Psion3

In article <1992Nov21.044152.19065@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> ianst@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (Ian Staples) writes:
>The Psion Series 3 machine costs about twice as much as the HP95LX here
>in Australia, but I understand that this relative pricing is reversed
>in other parts of the world.  Indeed, I noticed in "Laptops Magazine"
>this morning that the Psion is half the price of the HP in the USA.

Which models are you comparing?  The lowest prices I've seen
are $399 (list $545) for the 256KB Psion 3,
and $369 (list $550) for the 512KB HP-95LX, 1MB model $589 (list $799)

I would guess at least some of the difference could be from the two
different models of the HP.  There might be other models of the Psion too.

>It would be nice to hear from some one at HP and/or Psion, or their
>distributors, just how these relativities are justified!

I doubt HP and Psion consult with each other on pricing :-).  Companies
are often forced, either by the market, or by governments to have much
different prices in different countries.  Since Psion is a much smaller
company that HP, it could be that HP has the kind of presence in
Australia that it can offer lower prices.  For example, the HP-95LX
units sold in Australia may be made somewhere in Asia, while Psion
units may only be made in the UK.  This means both higher shipper and
manufacturing costs.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com (Mark E. Johnson)
Subject: Essential 95LX programs
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Organization: Lockheed, USC, and UT-Austin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:05:41 GMT

Okay, I'm starting to figure out what's going on. I found this newsgroup,
an ftp site, and--best of all--some knowledgeable people. We've had the
palmtop only a week so far, and my wife seems to be satisfied with the
native application set (Filer, Memo, 123, etc.). I guess they're all in ROM
anyway, so we'll have those for keeps.

I love to try new programs on my PC, however, and I'm anxious to do the
same with the palmtop. I've downloaded the index of files at eddie.mit.edu;
which programs are the best, which should I try first? I already know about
95Buddy, and nothing can stop me from trying the games. But what else? (Not
Freyja, since I think Memo is sufficient.)

_____________________________________________________________________________
-Mark Johnson                             
mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com (Mark E. Johnson)
Subject: Re: HP 95LX
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Organization: Lockheed, USC, and UT-Austin
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:48:03 GMT

In article <1ebgs1INN6kr@uwm.edu>, anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J
Stieber) wrote:
 
> >the transfer. If that's true, we can buy the cable alone for $6, and I
> 
> Where can you get the cable for $6?  The cheapest I've seen is about
> $24, or $12 for a cable with bare wires at the other end at EduCALC.

My mistake. I was thinking of another cable. Someone else has verified that
EduCALC has the lowest price.

> You could probably use any software you want that supports either
> kermit or xmodem protocols as both are built into the 95.

I hope so. On the other hand, I got some email from Steve Thomas ...

"Also, although I've had no problems using Kermit (other than the speed),
most commercial pc comm programs will not work with the 95 due to a bug in
its serial port logic."

Can someone verify/expound on this?
 
> >P.S. Is there a FAQ list for this sort of thing?
> 
> Yes, you can get it via anonymous ftp to eddie.mit.edu:/distrib/hp95lx.

I can ftp just fine, but I think eddie must be down or something. It hasn't
responded over two days of trying to connect. Is there an alternate source?

______________________________________________________________________________
-Mark Johnson                             
mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:3667 comp.sys.handhelds:2418
From: desouza@math.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Where are Wizard ftp files... ?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:00:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov16.150902.18225@linus.mitre.org> m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:
>I'm sure this is a faq, but where can I get files relating
>to the Sharp Wizard 8000 series organizer via anonymous
>ftp?  Thanks.
>
>Mike
>m14494@mwvm.mitre.org

On "math.berkeley.edu" The Wizard file server....

Paulo de Souza
desouza@math.berkeley.edu
From: asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95 scientific calculator
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:25:43 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young) writes:

>Ok this stuff is all certainly possible. I'm not sure what you mean by standard
>operations. Is this part of the RPL programmability? 

By standard operations, I mean AND, OR, NOT, rotate left/right, shift left/
right, convert from base to base, etc.

Providing the functions that are directly accessable from the keyboard of
the 48 would also be useful, though a number of these are already in the
19B. As far as the user interface goes, I agree that the menu system can 
be a pain on the 95, more so than the 48, but the more options you have, the
harder it is to map them all to keys.

It would be beneficial to stay with the same format as the built in calculator
and possibly try and interface to it, rather than directly replace it. Or
is this difficult? It just may save a lot of work if you use whats already 
there.

>Jonathan Young

Andy Smith
From: eric@zen.maths.uts.edu.au (Eric Lindsay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Mimimum memory software for palmtops?
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:23:39 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: zen.maths.uts.edu.au
Summary: Seeking small memory use programs for palmtop
Keywords: palmtops small programs minimum memory use

I'd like to find some programs to run on a PC compatible Sharp PC3100, to 
replace the existing built-in applications (which are somewhat slow when they 
hit the file sizes I typically use).  The present applications are an editor, 
a spreadsheet, a diary scheduler, an address book, an alarm.  I'm pretty sure 
I'd have to continue to use the existing alarm, diary scheduler and popup 
manager, since the PC-3100 uses a "strange" clock and timer scheme.

I'm trying Q-Edit as an editor replacement (VDE wouldn't handle my file sizes)
but can anyone suggest a suitable spreadsheet, and also a small general 
purpose comms program?  I'm not connecting the Sharp to a PC, so I can't make 
use of the builtin Laplink program.  Whatever comms program is suggested would 
have to use some fairly widely known protocol, because I'll have to implement 
the same one on the machines at the other end (I'll try Kermit first, but 
that is nearly 100k, and I can't really spare the space).

My data files run to 2x100k, 4x70k, 50k, 12k, and I've already installed 
4Dos and a few minor utilities, so I don't have a lot of space left in the 
ram disk. Suggestions welcome.

Eric Lindsay, School of Math, University of Technology, Sydney, Australia

--
eric@zen.maths.uts.edu.au  Eric Lindsay, Sch of Maths, Uni of Tech
Don't take life too seriously.
It is only temporary.
From: Abstract_-_RD@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Extra IC cards
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:27:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I have some extra 2MB & 1MB Mitsubishi SRAM Uncompressed PCMCIA cards 
available for $300.00 and $200.00 respectively.  The Zeos and Sharp
PC-3000 accepts it, and if you use the Stacker or SuperStore, you can
double your capacity.  If interested you can reach me at:

E-mail: abstract_rd@cup.portal.com
Tel #:  510-253-9588
Fax #:  510-253-9511
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: Re: Data Entry on 95lx
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:37:43 GMT
Organization: MDGAC
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops

In article <1e11jiINNiu9@uwm.edu>, anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J
Stieber) wrote:
> 
> In article <BxnvCG.3u6@mail.boi.hp.com> cedler@boi.hp.com (Chris Edler) writes:
> >My group is researching using 95lx's for data entry.  I thought I heard
> >somewhere that there was a Dbase runtime (or data entry module) for the
> >lx.  Is that true?  If not, are their data entry programming tools

A shareware dB package customized for the 95LX was just published on
Compuserves' user data library.  The package is "EFMS".  While it's too big
for my tastes, it seems to be relatively powerful and fits well within the
95.....

There is also LXFile (also available through Compuserve) which is kind of a
minimalist approach to dBs ...or a kind of a customizable approach to the
telephone list dB which comes in the 95's ROM....

There are also turnkey methods avaiable for dB production within ROM cards
for those who have strict business needs....  I'd bet you can build an
application specially designed for the HP95 display and burn it into a
card...and keep the file on the RAM disk....I'm also sure the file can be
integrated into a master file when downloaded to a pc...

It just takes someone who knows how to do it for you....

It don't pay enough for me though....


Andy Cohen           |                   |  |        Support Freedom!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: sun@bcars6a2.bnrottawa (Frank Kannemann)
Subject: Arrrg ;-} where is myREMOTE? I looked on eddie
Reply-To: sun@bnr.ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:22:14 GMT

Yo,

Help, I want  myOWNremote ...:-) I will even pay $29.00. Now how to I get it (i couldn't find
it on eddie)?

TIA

Frank


---
Frank Kannemann            Sun Microsystems of Canada  Ph: (613) 723-8112
                           955 Green Valley Cres
                           Ottawa, Ontario Canada
frankk@Canada.sun.com      #include <disclaimer.h>

This posting represents neither Sun Microsystems or BNR. 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young)
Subject: Re: HP95 scientific calculator
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.192059.13018@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> dale@ldgo.columbia.edu (dale) writes:
>In response to the query about what the net would like to see in a 
>calculator for the HP-95:
>
>	I'd settle for MathCad (even the older DOS version.)
>
>I know about Derive, but I'd rather scale for speed and display by using 
>the same application on various platforms: palmtop -> laptop -> Workstation.
>
>Just (wishful) thinking out loud,
>-Dale

Keep wishing, if I'm going to be writing this thing it won't be
anything near a symbolic math package. I just don't want to feel
compelled to carry my HP95 *AND* a calculator at the same time.


Jonathan
From: asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95 scientific calculator
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:52:13 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.055852.23273@williams.edu> 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young) writes:
>>I have long been frustrated by the built in calculator on the HP95,

>perhaps a way to save and recall formulas as well.

I agree with this, and perhaps a number of built in formulas ala the 48
equation library. This with the costants would make a very useful reference
guide as well as a powerful lab tool.

>Although I don't have one, I'm know other people have an HP IR
>printer.  Built in support for that would be nice.  All there is right
>now is a PrintScreen driver.  Maybe a PostScript driver too.


The IR print screen utility is very useful, though it is only a screen dump
I don't think it should be built into a specific application, this is something
that should really be part of 95Buddy or a stand alone facility for all
applications.

>I don't ask for much, only Mathmatica in my pocket :-).

Have you had a play with Derive 2.5 on ROM card for the 95?? This may not
be quite as powerful as Mathmatica, but its the best you will get on a 
pocket computer currently. I doubt our friend has either the time or           
inclination to go to this level.

The things I would like to see are 64bit binary, Hex and Octal with standard
operations (AND OR NOT EOR etc), more scientific functions, a stack that
operates in the same fashon as the 28/48 calcs. A built in equation library
with the same facilities as the 48SX equation library, including the periodic
table, and more conversion factors, as provided on the 28S.


><-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony

Andy Smith
From: michael@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Perelman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: 20 meg cards
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:46:00 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Does anybody have information on the 20 meg sundisk cards?


Michael Perelman
michael@ecst.csuchico.edu
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion Series 3 Battery Question
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:59:33 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <Bxyz5A.EGx@fsg.com> jeremy@fsg.com (Jeremy C.M. Sevareid) writes:
>
>My new Psion Series 3 (V. 180F/ENG) occassionally flashes
>a warning message.  It says that the main battery is low.
>
>But, when I check the batteries with the System Info menu
>item Batteries, it says that the main battery is good.
>What's going on here?

Seems to happen as the batteries get lowish, and my hypothesis is that
when the batteries are still good but near to low, certain patterns of
use can put on a transient load which makes the monitoring circuitry
think they look low.  I've been totally successful so far (about a
year) by taking these warnings as meaning it's time to make sure that
I've got a new set of batteries lying around, but not actually changing
them until the system info menu Batteries report agrees that they are
low.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: WEEKABK 3.7.5 - PEND feature?
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:46:05 GMT

eugene@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Gene Dick) writes:

:)Just modify the WEEKABK.ENV file to do this.  In line 1, the 20th character
:)position defines which character to look for to determine the "PEND"
:)fucntion.  The documentation included with WEEKABK indicates a " " (blank,
:)space) character will include all  yearly appts.

This conversation seems to have gone around in a circle.  The gentleman
who replied to my original posting said the same thing, but he also
stated that he couldn't get that "wildcard" feature to work using the
space character.  I just gave it a try and it failed for me as well.
I'm going to change it back to a heart (alt-3) since I have already
modified all of my yearly appts to begin with it.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |   Old programmers never die
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |   They just branch to a new address
MiSTie #2356             |   
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
From: schoff@psi.com (Marty Schoffstall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: PSILink (Internet Email package) Available for the 95LX
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:38:30 GMT
Organization: Performance Systems International, Inc. Reston Virginia.

Available via anonymous FTP on ftp.psi.com in

psilink/psi95lx.tar
psilink/psi95lx.zip

Are tar and zip archives of PSILink for the HP95LX.

PSILink is an off-line Internet message reading and composition package
which is System Manager compatible, it uses both dialups and Wireless
access (through RAM Mobile Data's two way mobitex network), to do messaging.

The version posted is the V1.0.2 version, an update should be available in
a couple of weeks.  The software is copyright but freely available.
Dialups are available only in the US for the current version, the next version
will support panNorthAmerican, panEuropean, and PacificBasin access.

For information on the service you could send email to

psilink-info@psi.com	the computer will respond with on-line info
or dial our faxback server at 1800.79fax79 and have it send info via fax.

This is our initial implementation of putting Internet messaging into this
platform, constructive criticism is encouraged.

Marty
--
Martin L. Schoffstall
VP & CTO
Performance Systems Internationl Inc.
Reston Virgina, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: applequi@cae.wisc.edu (George Applequist)
Subject: Re: HP95 scientific calculator
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:40:58 CST

Great idea!!  How about an iterative multiple-equation solver?   
Best of luck.

George Applequist (Chem E student)
applequi@cae.wisc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Where are Wizard ftp files... ?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:09:02 GMT

I'm sure this is a faq, but where can I get files relating
to the Sharp Wizard 8000 series organizer via anonymous
ftp?  Thanks.

Mike
m14494@mwvm.mitre.org

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Andrew Glaister & Games
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:53:30 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


I would like to register a copy of Chess that I have just been given, and
would therefore like to contact the author Andrew Glaister.

Does anyone know his EMail address or know if the snail mail address on
eddie is still correct?

Did he ever make chess system manager compliant?

Also is there a better version of tetris than tetlix??

Thanks

Andy