From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: suzanne on pigmentation and fetuses
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:43:05 GMT

In article <Bvt53o.KC4.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.003210.3373@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>## In article <1992Oct2.004310.953@noao.edu> 
>#When the subject first came up a couple of years ago, it was in
>#reference to the little plastic "young ones" model of 10-11 week
>#fetuses that a group of pro-lifers were handing to women as they
>#walked into an abortion clinic.  (I know you've seen them, Doug.)
>#Anyway, one of the women going in was black.  When one of the
>#pro-lifers said, "Here, see what your unborn child looks like!",
>#the woman said, "That sure don't look like MY child.  My child's
>#black!"
>
>Well, no, Suzanne, as it happens, the woman didn't use the
>quaint dialect that you assume she did.  She spoke standard
>English.  (I won't even ask why you felt moved to alter
>the story.)
>
>The sidewalk hassler said, "This is what your baby looks like."
>The patient replied, "That's why I'm having an abortion."
>
>#To which I originally pointed out that all fetuses ARE "white",
>#"white" simply meaning "lack of pigment".   Surely you will not
>#claim that any fetuses at 10-11 weeks, have well developed
>#pigment yet, do you?
>
>I have no idea, myself.  Pigmentation isn't as important to
>me as it is to some people.  (I note that you didn't comment
>on "black features" this time.  You're limiting yourself to
>one bigotted comment per article, is that it?)

Probably hoping to present a "kindler, gentler" Suxanne.  But any way
you slice her, you still get a pile of crap.

>
>#If you have seen black newborns that were already black, then I
>#take back my statement that all blacks are born white.  However,
>#I still hold that MANY are born white, because I've seen them
>#myself.  And I still hold that ALL first trimester fetuses are
                       ^^^^

>#white.

That's nice, Suxanne.  Do you have any PROOF that "ALL first trimester
fetuses are white"?  And why not say, "ALL first trimester UNBORN CHILDREN
are white"?  Don't you even believe your own rhetoric?

>
>Is that why you want to save them, Suzanne?

She doesn't want to save them.  She just wants to punish women for
having sex.

>
>#Perhaps our resident African-American, Steve Chaney, could
>#contribute to this discussion.
>
>Your assumptions are telling, Suzanne.
>
>(Do you imagine that Dennis has given birth?)

No, but the fact that I'm gay automatically means that I'm "Politically
Correct".  Suxanne told me so.  It also means I'm automatically aware of
everything that NAMBLA does, and instantly aware (via telepathy?) of every
statement made by ACT UP!

The fact that Steven Hall is black automatically means he's aware of
_everything_ about the African races.
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