From: mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd)
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:02:00 GMT

In article <schuck.714183899@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...
>Mitchell S Todd writes: > & >>>
>Bruce Schuck >>

>>>>	The Soviets knew damn well that the US was flying spy
>>>>	planes over Soviet territory. Oswald wouldn't have told them
>>>>	anything they wouldn't have known. 

>>>From the testimony of John Donovan, former Marine Lieutenant:

>>>"...shortly before I got out of the Marine Corps, which was in
>>>mid-December 1959, we received word that he had showed up in Moscow.
>>>This necessitated a lot of change of aircraft call signs, codes, radio
>>>frequencies, radar frequencies.

>>>Sure Mitchell. Oswald had nothing of value for the USSR. [Heavy Sarcasm]


>>>  He had access to the location of all bases in the West Coast area,
>>>all radio frequencies for all squadrons, all tactical call signs,
>>>and the relative strength of all squadrons, number and type of aircraft in
>>>a squadron, who was the commanding officer, the authentification code of
>>>entering an exiting the ADIZ, which stands for Aircraft Defense
>>>Identification Zone. He knew the range of our radar.
>>>He knew the range of our radio. And he knew the range of the surrounding
>>>units' radio and radar."   [8H 298]

>>	The Soviets would have garnered most of this information by then
>>	anyway. 

>Sure Mitchell. 

	you could say something substantiative.
	


>>	Information such as communications and radar frequencies, 
>>	ADIZ authentication codes, radar range, and probably also
>>	radio range would be easily picked up by the Soviet version
>>	of national technical means, such as listening posts, those
>>	famous russian trawlers, and elint aircraft.

>Sure Mitchell. Thats why the Marines were ordered to change them all
>when they found out Oswald defected.


	The military routinely changes codes and call signs, because 
	they know that a persistent adversary will figure them out.
	Oswald's defection just prompted an earlier-than-usual change.
	
	Some things, like radar frequency, are quite simple to find out.
	You can determine the frequencies of several over-the-horizon
	radar systems with a simple short-wave reciever. A trawler with
	an air-search radar working in concert with a radio will pick
	up the ADIZ codes --all you have to do is wait for an aircraft
	to fly into the ADIZ, wait, and listen to the challenge to
	him and his response.

	If you want to find out the range of American radar systems,
	fly, say, a Bear bomber at the coast, and see when and where
	their air defense system challenges you.


>>	The radio call signs would be a bit more difficult. Listening
>>	posts would record the call signs, but it would take a little
>>	detective work, and some repeated listening, to place names
>>	with faces, as it were. 

>See above.

	Your "above" is nothing.


>>	Since ADIZ codes, call signs, and comm frequencies can be easily
>>	changed, Oswald would be of little use to the Soviets on that
>>	matter. By the time the information would have filtered out to
>>	operational units, they would have been changed already. 


>Ahhhhh. Maybe you grasped the point after all.

	Ahhh. So now you've "discovered" a "new point." Excuse me if I
	don't "oooohh! a new point" like Homer Simpson.


>All the information Oswald had to offer *was* changeable.
>It was the *perfect* type of information to establish his credentials
>when he pretended to defect. It was *good* info for the Soviet
>Military without really compromising National Security.

	Actually, it wouldn't have established much in the way of
	credentials. The Soviets would know that anything Oswald
	told them would be already known, of little use, or of
	little damage to the US. A defector who spilled his guts
	about such information would do little to establish his
	credibility with the Soviets. 


>Thanks to his announcement in the US Embassy that he planned to
>pass such information on, the military could go ahead and change the
>codes and frequencies immediately instead of waiting until Oswalds
>defection could be found out through intelligence contacts.

	The US would have known of Oswald's defection fairly quickly
	and would have had enough warning to change call signs, etc,
	before any real harm could be done. The military wouldn't
	have to rely on Oswald's announcement to give them an excuse
	to change codes anyway.

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