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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:25:00 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <07DJsB2w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>
>The point is that if she hit her tormentors back and there was a
>cost to them for picking on her, why did they persist?  The
>conventional wisdom is that bullies only pick on kids who don't
>fight back.  There is evidence that they do pick on physically weak
>kids, so if Lynn hit back but her blows didn't hurt, that would
>explain it.  If she could hit hard then there must have been
>another reason why they kept at her.
>
>The really interesting question is: why do you think it was
>admirable of her (and your brother) to fight back when that
>strategy was, by her own account, unsuccessful?

Can you show me where I said that? I asked why you were questioning her
memory. I backed it up with my own brothers experiences. I was questioning
you post. I now se you have posted the same type comments on other posts
in this thread. The theme seems to be that clearly the people getting beat
up on seem to be deserving it. You are trying to get the to admit that they
deserved it for some conduct or another, perhaps it was because they didnt
fight back hard enough, or because they had some sor t of personality
disorder. Why one earth is this so important to you? You have this idea in
your mind about victimized children (weak, annoying) and you want everyone
who was victimized to say "yes, I was victimized because I was too weak, yes,
I was victimized because I was annoying to them?" That is what I am 
questioning. What will that give you when you get those admissions? Why do
you want them? What position are you trying to take? If what you are saying is ttrue, and that Lynn wasnt hitting hard enough, are you saying she whoud have
hit harder? Fine, but not that practical. If you are saying that Lynn was
getting hit because of her personality, then are you saying she deserved it?

All I am trying to do is try and figure out your responses to people. They
seem odd to me. Maybe I am missing something, but I really cant figure out
what point you are trying to make.

Laura Floom

>
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Xref: sparky misc.kids:26000 soc.culture.asian.american:9589
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Stereotypes in School (Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:13:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bw3CyB.3F0
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct13.221422.16875@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <1421@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo) writes:
>> 
>     I'm afraid I must disagree.  Sure, it's possible to use one
>particular stereotype to your advantage.  However, anyone willing to hold
>one stereotype is willing to hold others, and those others may not be so
>favorable.  If he thinks Asians/Asian-Americans are better in math, then
>he just might also believe all the women are hot sex toys and all the men
>nerdy geeks.
>     In the long run, it's better to dispel all race based stereotypes.

Well, this is IMPOSSIBLE.. We're all human beings with the ability to
think/reason, and one of the most important factors of our intelligence
is our ability to recognize patterns.. For this reason almost all I.Q.
tests have some sort of pattern-matching questions in them.. On the same
note, we can all notice race-related patterns (asians are good in math?)
and our intelligence forces us to form this stereotype.. If you're asking
us to abandon our stereotypes, you're really asking us to abandon one of
the most fundamental aspects of our intelligence!!
Now, back to your first paragraph, since an abolition of stereotypes is
impossible, it is always "better" to use them to your advantage.. Thus,
if an American (white?black?) finds all his Asian classmates smarter than
him, let him form his stereotypes!! As for the negative stereotypes, we
cannot just sit here and ASK people to abandon them, we must act and
abolish them ourselves! If that same American looks around and doesn't
see that pattern anymore, he would eventually "forget" that stereotype..

>							George

NW
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From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:39:25 GMT

In article <4570271@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
>>Uhmm, interesting.  Can you tell us why you don't like Barney?
>
>I agree that Barney is good entertainment for my kids; I have no
>objection to them watching it.  My point was that *I* hate to watch it.
>I can't stand watching those kids with smiles plastered on their faces 
>and lip-synching.  They're a big bunch of hams.  So, unlike Sesame Street, 
>which I can stand to watch with my kids and sometimes I find it 
>entertaining, I would typically leave the room when Barney comes on.
>
Same here ...yuck seems real phoney to me.  But my nieces LOVE it and even
my 9 month old baby loves it.  So does anybody know where to get Barney
toys?

diana
Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.guns
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:44:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.181743.9597@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.214722.15469@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Followups out of misc.legal
>>
>>In article <1992Oct12.171106.25965@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

[a sub-thread about firearms, versus bathtubs, omitted.]

>(Why should unsecured waterfront property be considered differently
>from unsecured swimming pools?)

There was a case where a motorcyclist in the rolling hills of <somwhere>,
went over a crest in a road and ran into something or one. It was argued
that the hills (or any naturally occuring "hazard") were an attractive
nuisance.... but not sucessfully.

The general answer (God, I _do_ hope Terry won't see this), is that the
A.N. doctrine applies to artifacts which are hazardous, not natural hazards.
So impounded water is generally different from naturally existing ponds
and lakes, though they are both equally wet.

Note that A.N. case cites do exist for the child who trespasses, finds
blasting caps, removes them from the property, and injures a third person
in ignorance of the danger, and I'm sure there are firearm cites for A.N.
as well.
-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

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From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:00:37 GMT
Organization: nicht

In article <1992Oct5.185738.12143@news.eng.convex.com> newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
>
>she taught a little girl named feh-mallie.  well, that is how
>her name was pronounced.  the girls parents were immigrants who
>spoke little/no english.  the little girl was born in a providence
>hospital.  when the attendants wheeled the little girl in her
>bassinet in to her mother's room, the mother was honored to see
>that the hospital had already named her daughter!  on the i.d.
>card and bracelet, she saw "<last name>, female".

One of the protagonists in Alfred Bester's _The Computer
Connection_ is Female Five Graumans Chinese.

No telling where Bester got the idea.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Re: places to live in the USA
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:44:10 GMT

In article <9430252@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode) writes:
>adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar) writes:
>
>> Well, I just meant to post a similar question. (My husband, too, is
>> looking for a new job.) Every year one sees newspaper articles about
>> the top ten towns/cities in the US that are regarded to have the
>> highest living quality for families. Does anybody know the source for
>> those statistics? What are the criteria they use in order to come up
>> with their scores? Does anybody have the current list, if not the
>> source? 
>
>  Money magazine prints its list of "most livable (?)" cities every
>year.  They published their most recent list a month or so ago.  Fort
>Collins was disappointed we didn't make #1 this time.
>

Yes -  does anyone have one of these lists?  It would be interesting
to see.

diana
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Victims of Bullies
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:01:16 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Oct15.232717.10687@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>
>	We do.  However, it is _still_ just as much your responsibility 
>now as it ever was to take care of yourself.   When you are assaulted,
>you report it to the police.  However, while the assault is in progress, 
>unless it takes place in the police station, it's up to you to put a stop 
>to it, to flee or fight as the situation demands.
>
>	One difference in situation between suffering attacks by a child
>and by an adult, is that the law of most states exempts minors from being
>charged for things like assault and battery in the same way that adults
>can be.   While you can get the police to go after an adult who has 
>attacked you, and you can sue him or have him prosecuted, it is not the 
>same when another child attacks your child.  My understanding is that 
>there is not very much you can do, especialy for younger children.
>

I believe that the current legal view is that parents are responsible for
the damages their child did.  Therefore, while you cannot sue the child for
assault and batery damages, your child (and you) should be able to sue
the parents of the bully.  Maybe that might wake these parents up.

Just a thought.  It would have to be for repetitive attacks in which all other
avenues of stopping the behavior have failed.  After all, there's not much
you cannot do in civil courts these days.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
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From: at555@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (C. A. Melfi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fisher Price seat recall
Date: 15 Oct 1992 15:01:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


My understanding of the F-P recalls is that seats that need new
shields get teh part in 7-10 days, but the 9104 which needs the
new buckle takes 14 weeks.  I also found the F-P repersentative
to be very helpful and friendly.  But I have to wonder why these
things so often seem to be discovered AFTER the seats are on the
market?

-Cathy
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25488 soc.singles:27229
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:39:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <1992Oct7.201935.19210@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>
> Your right. Don't teach your kid to strive to succeed in a competitive
>world. Just because everyone else wants that nice job doesn't mean it's 
>right. I gather you people are from misc.kids. Is every post attacked
>in that news group or what. Hey as far as I'm concerned put a dress on
>him it won't bother me in the least.

  This is a certifiable sexist statement.  Who says people who wear
  dresses don't compete for good jobs?   And competing for good jobs
  doesn't mean fighting and aggression.  A prosocial person like
  Dylan will have a much better chance of landing a good job than
  a bully who can't get along with anyone.
> 
>>  Diane doesn't expect her son to push back, but to stand up for
>>  himself if pushed.  There's a difference between being violent
>>  and self-assertive.  Assertive behavior does not allow oneself
>>  to be picked on, but also doesn't go and pick on someone else.
> 
>Where exactly did I tell her to have her kid attack the other kid.
>Where? I never did. All I implied was she shouldn't get so upset.

  She can get upset if she wants to.  It's her kid (only 20 months
  old) who got picked on by a bully twice his age and size.  What'd
  you want her to do?  Whistle and look the other way?  She stood up
  for herself but did not resort to violence.  Who are you to tell
  women that they shouldn't get upset?  
> 
>You people [referring to misc.kids] are 100% certifyably insane.

  Which is why you're still single and we're not.

> I tell ya what when some kids continously take Dylans lunch money and
>the school can't do anything about it because it occurs off school grounds
>and you can't get any cooperation from the parents you just put some
>tights on old Dylan and tell him to hide under his desk till his
>Mommy gets there. Have a nice life Dylan.

  My my, getting homophobic too?  What's wrong with wearing tights?
> 
> That kids gonna need counseling. Thanks for the unsolicited attacking
>posts you glorious passive hypocrites.

  You're welcome.
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Neighborhood dangers...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:36:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>>Now, in my neighborhood, Pittsburgh suburbs, there ar no dangers like
>>railroad tracks, busy highways, etc.  But my neighborhood is full of
>>woods and hills (Western PA).  My kids could fall and hurt themselves,
>>and no one would know.  I plan to set time limits on "free play" (like
>>30 minutes or something) in which they must check back at the house. 
>>If they are not back, I will look for them.
>
>    Well, what you seem to be describing is an area where there are few
>houses, so there are no neighborhood parents watching, say, a ball game in
>someone's backyard. (When others can watch them, I think it's still important

No, in our neighborhood, houses are pretty close together.  The
backyards are sometimes partially comprised of woods and hills,
practically imapssable beyond the fence line.  If you cross our street,
you can go down a very sharp incline to the park at the foot of the
hill.  Tha backside of that park is pretty much impassable because the
hill is so steep.

>I think the amount you're suggesting a 10YO have is about right.

Good.  Thanks.
-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Victims of Bullies
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:32:50 GMT

In article <qNwksB1w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>Laura Floom writes:
>
>In article <07DJsB2w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>>
>>The really interesting question is: why do you think it was
>>admirable of her (and your brother) to fight back when that
>>strategy was, by her own account, unsuccessful?
>
>>Can you show me where I said that? I asked why you were
>>questioning her memory. I backed it up with my own brothers
>>experiences. I was questioning you post.
>
>The tone of your post mentioning your brother's experience seemed
>to suggest approval of "fighting back."  You said:

well you read to much into it. You seemed to be saying quite clearly that
you didnt believe Lynn (or any oth the other posters wilth similar memories)
that she really did fight back. You also kept asking if there was anything
they weere doing to deserve it. I couldnt understand your motives, or need to
ask all these questions. You have now explained your professional interest.
Fine, but I still think that your attitude towards those posters who admitted
to being bullied was nothing if it wasnt bullying. If you want to use the net
to further your research, please try to do no harm. If they dont fit into your
model of victims, that is your problem, not theirs.
>
>>My brother was a wimp, but a determined one. He was always getting
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>beaten up on in school, and ALWAYS fought back. He got suspended
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

merely trying to give you one more data point to help sway you from your
very rigid beliefs about the behavior of bullys and their victims. 

Sorry, Richard, strutting out your credentials as a professional doesnt do
too much for me. The sad fact is that there are way too many disfunctional
therapists out there. I am not saying you are one, but if I had a child who
was a bully, and needed help, I would think that your performance on this net
would make me question your effectiveness. It takes more then a degree to be
an effective therapist.

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Air travel w/2 yr old!
Summary: Help me make for a pleasant flight!
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:31:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.165755.3695@island.COM> ett@island.island.COM (Ed T. Tabachini) writes:

>I'm about to embark on a 5 hour flight with a 2 year old and a 9 month old.
>I'm not worried about the 9 monther but the 2 year old has now officially
>entered the "Terrible Two's!" Any advice on how I can keep him occupied? On
>a similar flight a few months back he couldn't keep still and sometimes
>resorted to crying- if possible, I'd like to spare the other passengers. It's
>a morning departure so it's not near his nap time. Does cough medicine help
>make him drowsy and more subdued?

One trick we used during the terrible twos was to enlist an outsider's 
help - in your case the cabin crew. My experience was that twos are 
rebelling against their parents - they are still obedient to strangers - 
especially in uniforms. Even if you have to ask a crew member (in front of 
your child) to tell the child to sit down, your child will probably obey.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: RE: Far apart in age
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:41:37 GMT

In article <199210071941.AA05440@tuna.wang.com>
JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage") writes:
 
>RE: Far apart in age
>I am expecting my second child (at the age of 34)  in February. My daughter is
>13 years old. What are experiences with such a siblings relationsship? Anyone i
>n the same situation?
>Jutta
 
My sister has 13 year old identical twin girls and a 1 year old very loved boy.
My sister and her husband simply couldn't afford any more children after the
birth of the twins until last year.  My sister was going on 32 when Nicklas was
born.
 
Kristy and Karen had mixed feelings about the pregnancy.  They like children,
especially babies, so that was ok.  But, they were old enough to know a little
bit about HOW this occurred and were just a little embarassed.  Most of their
friends Moms had been done having children for years.  The girls were also
concerned about how this baby was going to affect their social life (aren't we
all concerned about that when having a new baby? :-).
 
Nicklas arrived last October 3.  Kristy and Karen really love him.  In fact, if
my sister wasn't careful Nicklas would be a very spoiled baby.  The girls get
to go to all their normal activities and are willing to babysit when my sister
is working or has to go somewhere.  (I wish I had had a built in babysitter
when my kids were younger, there's something to be said for this big gap
between children :-).  In exchange for the babysitting my sister pays for some
of the stuff that normally Kristy and Karen would have to pay for.
 
Good luck.
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Clare DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:35:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.142050.23129@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> 
>>> 
>>>>>You people are 100% certifyably insane.
>>>    You people refer's to Clare, Andy and Diana. Phobics the lot of you.
>>>Clare you are a psychotic.   
>>>Maybe Andy can get a 2 for 1 at the counselors.
>>
>>  A lot of libelous name-calling.
> 
> I see Clare's school of creative editing must be having mid terms.
> Nice attempt to insinuate I was insulting all of misc.kids when
>in fact we both knew it was from me to you. Lets see thats the 3rd time
>you edited that very same line to make accusations. I pity your(doubtfull)
>husband.

  Okay, no editing.  Satisfied?  My husband can bench-press 300 lbs.
  I doubt he needs to pity himself.
> 
> 
>Caps for Comprehension problems: CLARE IT'S AN EXPRESSION. TRY TO READ
>THE MEANING OF IT INSTEAD OF READING IT LITERAL. FIGURATIVE. IT MEANS
>WOMAN AS WELL AS MEN. SAYING A womens gotta do what.. didn't make much

  Pretty weak when you have to go to the dictionary.

>sense when talking about two boys fighting. TAKE A CREATIVE THOUGHT
>CLASS INSTEAD OF SPEWING PC BATTER.

  Nah, PC batter's more fun.  Especially when you can glop it on nice
  and thick and get people like you frothing at the mouth.
> 
>I have to wonder, do you still live at home? 
 
   You mean you don't live at home?  

>Do you have an original thought?
   Do you?  I'm sure every thought has
   been thought of before by someone somewhere sometime.  At least I have
   a PhD thesis full of original research.  I wouldn't say the stuff hadn't
   been "thought" of before, but thoughts don't replace actual implementation
   and proof.

>If so I'd be willing to attempt to read it.

  Good it's over 500 pages long.  You can find it in the Cornell Olin Library.
  {interesting aside:  A PhD student put a $20 inside her thesis in the
  library with a note saying that anyone who is the first to see the
  $20 can take it.  She went back years later and the $20 was still there.}

> 
> 
>Goodbye Clare (waving) Have a nice life (waving) You won (waving but getting
>smaller) You stuck it out the longest(waving real small) Don't forget to
>shut out the lights *blink*....

  Ah... Big Bad Clare beat you up, wah wah wah.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Clare DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:48:42 GMT

In <lots of> articles (several people) write:

[ name calling, arguing, hitting, slapping and lots of other
playground bullying deleted ]

People people people.  I don't mind as much as the next person
if you guys want to use your time to argue back and forth on
threads that just keep growing and growing, but please.....
do *not* change the subject titles, please.  I mean I kill off
"BARBIE does it again" and am saved from reading all that, and
now someone starts a new thread called "Clare does it again".
Please.  If you're going to argue, stay in your little corner
and let the rest of use our kill files successfully and enjoy the
rest of the more informative and entertaining posts.  

Flames to /dev/null.

Thank you for reading this, and we now return you to your regular
fighting. 

---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
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