From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Sexuality & religion (1 of 2) (moved)
Summary: moved from soc.religion.eastern due to moderator rejection
Keywords: sexuality and religion
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:56:44 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

The following articles have been moved from soc.religion.eastern
due to rejection by the moderator.... followup should only be
addressed to talk.religion.newage

There are two articles that are included in this thread.


Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: Re: Becoming aware

In soc.religion.eastern you write:

>In <19q9g3INNn6s@sandman.caltech.edu>
>mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz) writes:

>>Toshi Takeuchi <tt@wag.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>: How often do you feel sexual desires and feelings?

>>You are putting this in the context of things which are usually considered
>>negative. Is this meant to imply sexuality where somehow bad?
>>If so, I'd like to hear your reasons.

Accck!!... I have a very different view of these things, but thn this IS
religion.eastern I guess. For the past several thousand years there has 
been an attitude that sex is bad in many of the world religions. It is
MY belief that we are here to learn how to be human in a spiritual way,
but not to deny that we are human... I think that we need to experience 
all there is to be human... through various methods of interconnectedness
and other ways.  .... "ONE" way to do this is through coupling in a 
sexual fashion. Between kundalini and tantra yoga is a beginning of what
I am actually talking about... if I was going to just be spiritual, why 
would I go to all the trouble of manifesting a body in a sexually defined
world? It seems to me that we are here to learn and experience something, 
not to avoid it.

>I don't know what Toshi will have to say about this, but some things occurred
>to me. According to many spiritual traditions, the usual sorts of sexual
>desires and feelings are considered in a negative way. Why? Because they
>foster identification with the material body and ego in the heaviest possible
>way.   ...

Here we come to the fine points of the definition of the different levels
of the uses of sexuality... I think that rutting is not a positive thing
in that it is not likely to help one in one's spiritual path; it is
however a stress relief, and as such probably not negative in my view, 
except in very mundane circumstances. :-)  As one gets farther along
the path, sexual bonding and merging is usually something that one wants
to do only with people of similar paths and levels of understanding.
To wit, it becomes something of a tool to sharing auras and learning
the other person and ones self. Sex can be draining and exhausting,
but if one participates with another of like vibrational level, it
can be invigorating and life-giving.

> ... In any case, those who engage in sex should do so for
>the deliberate purpose of having a child, who would be raised by the parents
>to become a spiritually progressive person whose main interest is spiritual
>advancement and helping others make spiritual advancement. Arranging one's
>life to accomplish this, before-during-and after the sex act itself is an act
>of spiritual sacrifice, and in this context the enjoyment of sex is
>spiritually legitimate. 

Here is where I draw the line... this is part of the "old religions" 
that is not in my reality... it sounds also like some of the stuff
perpetuated by the Mormon church in some of its members. Yuck!! Again
I reitterate that it is my belief that we are here to learn how to be
Human Beings not to deny our humanity. 

>Even so, according to the progressive stages of life
>outlined in the system of varnas and ashramas, at around age 50 or so, the
>husband and wife would abstain from further sex and prepare themselves to
>reach their spiritual destinations at the time of death.  

Yeah, since hormonal activity is necessary to maintain a body over a 
long and healthy life, this would follow, that one should then prepare
for death... unless of course the person has evolved so far as to be
capable of stimulating his adrenal glands... this is very rare in 
the general populace...!!

Good luck... and network hugs to all....

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