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Subject: Re: Babylon 5 & Deep Space Nine start dates
From: mschmitt@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:40:16 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

> I am trying to find out the scheduled January release dates for both
> Babylon 5 and ST: Deep Space Nine.  If anyone can help me with this, I 
> would appreciate it.
> 

	Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is scheduled for around the first weekend in
January, depending on your local station.  For more specifics, there's a
station list posted to rec.arts.startrek.info.
	Babylon 5 is scheduled for around the 23rd or 25th of February,
depending again on your local station.  Many stations have not determined the
exact time, i don't think.  Check with your local PTEN carrier for more info. 
If you don't know who that is, there is a stations list available for anonymous
ftp at ftp.hyperion.com, in the pub/Babylon-5 directory.
	Here's looking forward to it!

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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Re: Immortals Starting Antique Shop Franchises
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:37:24 GMT

>This should be the same kind of blade not the very same blade.

Think so, huh?

Look very closely at the weapon.  It has a white handle (which is probably
supposed to be ivory, but I think the prop is probably made of some generic
white plastic) carved in the form of some animal (possibly a dragon) with
tiny little colored things (probably gemstones) for the eyes.  The hilt is
rounded in a form somewhat unusual for katanas of the time (although the
katana was admittedly not from that time, so I guess it would be an 
exception to the rule).

The second piece of information is something I missed the first couple of
showings of the pilot "The Gathering" of the series.  In this episode, 
Connor and Duncan spend a hefty amount of time sparring together.  I 
originally thought that the two were fighting with identical swords, but
then I got a 4-head VCR to look at it in detail -- Connor is using a more
typical samurai sword, wrapped at the hilt with two different color
(brown and black, I think) leather wraps, and without the rounded hilt (in
fact, without any hilt at all as far as I can tell).

To the best of my knowledge, then, Connor must give the katana to Duncan as
a sort of 'post-training present', and then (assuming Duncan dies as he
can't very well be alive come the duel of the final two) he takes the sword
back upon Duncan's death (as it is the superior sword) and uses it to go on
and win the Prize.

My point is, that katana is the sword that Connor uses in the movies, and it
follows that Duncan uses that same sword in the series.  (I'm basing this on
the detailed appearance of the sword -- I don't believe there could be two
katanas that identical.)  

I don't intend this to be a flame;  I just believe the sword is the same one
as the one Connor uses.  This topic has experienced some discussion here,
and I think the consensus is with me (although the truth will out eventually).

Peace.

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Marius   ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: Promised Land
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:43:00 GMT

Well, a very interesting ending!

Here there be SPOILERS:
We see that everything doesn't always end happily!  So Neil is going to be 
wandering aimlessly for a few years, and then gets killed during an attempted 
robbery (I couldn't figure out if Al was saying that Neil was the robber, or 
the one being robbed).  SO, although Sam was able to save the brothers from 
being killed at the end of the holdup, he wasn't able to save everybody 
completely.  But then, I'm sure somebody who Sam saved from destruction must 
still have died other times.  They don't become immortal!  Or maybe Sam was 
really there just to save John and Willie.

Or maybe, there will be another episode upcoming where he *does* save Neil?

BTW, what was the point of the Christmas setting?  It didn't seem to add 
anything to the story.  Was it just there because this episode was aired 
during the Christmas season?

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Jan Smithers was Re: TV Crushes
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:18:21 GMT
Keywords: Jan Smithers location situation

[Why was a question like this cross-posted?]

Lincoln McFarland writes
> Does anybody know what happened to [Jan Smithers]?

I just asked that on rec.arts.tv (so I won't cross-post it there) and  
the answers I've received say that she is retired and currently lives  
in Canada with James Brolin, her spouse.

I don't know her address or have any way of contacting her, but if  
anyone does ask her how much of her character, Bailey Quarters in WKRP,  
came from her and tell her that I think her character was the only  
thoughtful and non-stupid character on the show.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:53:01 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Dec15.010926.20094@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>Fascinating.  I've never seen this Dr. Who.  The Dr. Who I'm familiar
>with, obviously a pale imitation, had Daleks which had no manipulation
>capacity beyond an appendage that looked like a bathroom plunger,

They didn't need any.  They used the manipulative abilities of slave races.
What I would like to see is a story of how the Daleks acquired their first
slaves.

Actually, now that I think about it, some Daleks did have something better
than a sink plunger.  They had a pincer instead of the sink plunger.  I
believe these were technician Daleks.

>								   and
>no capacity to travel over any surface not flat and reasonably level.

Guess who hasn't seen "Remembrance of the Daleks"?  The episode which
showed the Doctor's worst nightmare come true - a Dalek coming up the
stairs, using some sort of anti-grav.  For that matter, guess who hasn't
seen the old film about the Dalek invasion of Earth, which had one of
them making a speech while perched on what was left of the first floor
of a ruined building.

-- 
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL:Bakula directs
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:34:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, I was very impressed with the direction in this episode.

It is vewry hard for a leading man to direct his own project well.
The only person I know who did a consistently good job is Alan Alda
and Bakula shows some promise.  I am happy that TV has found another
competent director.

I was also happy that Sam did not deliver the pregnant woman's
baby as that would have been more insipid than words can describe.
-- 
"What's wrong with him?" "What do you mean?" "Well, he's standing
in front of a mirror, talking and smirking to himself.  That's
one of the first symptoms of megalomania." - The Doctor
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From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Promised Land
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:09:02 GMT


The following post contains spoilers for the 12/15 episode of Quantum Leap.





















Y'know, I'm getting sick and tired of people calling me during Quantum Leap.
Even if they are offering me two draft picks for Jose Lind.

ESPECIALLY when the episode was as good as this one was!  Wow!

First, let me display my anti-Thompson bias.  This appeared to me to be a well
written freelance story that Tommy Thompson took and re-wrote so it took
place in Elk Ridge, Indiana.  Note that its location had absolutely nothing
to do with the plot - it could have been anywhere in the midwest.  And given
that they aren't going to take a script from one of their Producer/Writers
and outsource the rewriting, it seems a logical conclusion.  So was it just me,
or did the Elk Ridge stuff seem forced?  I can't comment on the "tearful
reunion" at the end, because that was wiped out by one of the two phone calls.
Granted, his extreme reactions about his father are well in keeping with
his character.  (So why am I getting more and more terrified of the season
finale?)

Enough of the grinching.  This was an excellent episode, from the writing
to the directing (you-know-who) to the acting - all of the actors did a very
good job.  As for the characters, none of them seemed cliched or cardboard.
There's a fine line when giving "character" to the supporting cast, in avoiding
stereotypes and giving them life with only a few dozen words.  And this week
was saw a half dozen minor characters who seemed real.  Bravo.

Lots of little things stand out.  When Vernon was confronting Sam in his house, and Sam turned his back, we were sitting there saying, "C'mon, take one step
into spin-kick range, you scum!"  The big gun battle took place off screen,
which is abnormal for a TV drama (even for QL), but worked perfectly here.
And ring the bells, wake the children, Sam's Kill Ratio is now officially
less than 1!  We didn't have him turning around, giving the one wonderful piece
of advice that turns everyone's life around.  For once.  And they didn't
shoe-horn Katie or Tom into the script. (I was deathly afraid Katie was gonna
be one of the tellers.  After the first commercial I knew the coast was clear.)

I had shifted from SLP to SP to tape Trilogy, and ended up putting this
one at the end to fill out the tape.  That was indeed a happy coincidence.
It almost makes up for the fact that I have Vietnam on SLP.

Next week: The Ret-Con Poster Child herself makes her second (and final?)
appearance.  Maybe.  (Haven't they been preempted twice before trying to air
this one?)

Jeremy Billones				billones@grebyn.com
"We don't do it for the glory.  We don't do it for the recognition.  We do
it because it needs to be done.  Because if we don't, no one else will.  And
we do it even if no one knows what we've done.  Even if no one knows we exist.
Even if no one knows we ever existed."
From: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Tomorrow People
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:08:00 GMT

Cable TV Notice!

Beginning January 25, the Nickeloden cable network will be showing "The 
Tomorrow People."  No indication as to how many episodes will be shown.

A quote from the "Cable TV Guide":
"Don't trust anyone over the age of 12 in this miniseries about a group of 
mind-reading kids who are on the run from government scientists.  Age 8+.  
Jan 25-28, 8 pm ET."
From: MABOOD@colgateu.BITNET (I can truly say I have a bat in my belfry!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #670
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:02:57 GMT

unsuscribe mabood@colgateu
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From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Highlander FAQL? and other topics
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:17:52 GMT


 
   Extended Highlander ? 

     Do you mean the European Version, which had seens not shown in
the original US release ? Or is there a previously unreleased 
directors cut ? 

                jon 

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From: 2puhsagely@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Red Dwarf
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:41:02 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Is there any fans of the British TV show Red Dwarf.  Its about a mining ship
which has a nuculear accident that kills the entire crew except for one man in
stasis.  The ship leaves the Solar System for safety reasons and the man in
stasis is not revived untill the radiation levels are safe some three million
years latter.  He owned a cat which had kittens and survived the accident.  The
cats evolve into an intelligent race and leave the ship except for one cat. 
The only living man also has as a companion a hologram of his dead bunkmate. 
The show is on Saturday night on KCPT Kansas City Public television.  I wonder
how many episodes there are and if it is still being made.  The show is based
on a book by the same name.  Is there any sequels to the book?
From: ql-archive@CISCO.COM ("Mark D Baushke")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: ziggy.3com.com:/ql-archive moves to ziggy.cisco.com:/ql-archive
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:08:58 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems Inc., Menlo Park, CA, USA

Hi folks,

The authoritative /ql-archive now lives at cisco.

The ziggy.3com.com:/ql-archive is now a mirror (files there will be no
more than 24 hours older than at the authoritative site), but the
primary repository for the ql-archive now lives on ziggy.cisco.com
(aka ftp.cisco.com aka cisco.com).

In fact, ziggy.3com.com has been a mirror for almost a month to make
sure things were working properly.

E-mail regarding problems should be directed to ql-archive@cisco.com
(e-mail to ql-archive@ziggy.3com.com will still reach me, but you
should only really report problems with the 3com archive to that
address).

I wish to take this opportuntity to publicly thank the folks at 3com
who allowed the ql-archive diskspace to remain on a 3com machine even
after I left the company. I don't know how long the 3com mirror of the
ql-archive will remain, but I appreciate all their help in making this
a smooth transition.

	-- Mark
	ql-archive@cisco.com
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:39:22 GMT

In article <BzF336.Azw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:
>domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>
>>In <1992Dec15.164209.24518@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>
>>>[lots of stuff about how Yar's death in Trek was less affecting than
>>>Adric's]

Possibly because Adric died attempting a truly selfless act, perhaps one
of only two or three in his life.  Yar died with an attitude. Twice.

...
>>Yes, but it was explained... The Tasha Yar that went back in time in
>>"Yesterday's Enterprise" eventually mothered a child by a Romulan...
>
>  So it may have been..but there is a one and a half year gap between the 2
>  stories. How is Joe Public supposed to keep up with tenous threads as
>  presented in crap like (most) St:TNG.

Uh, perhaps because the explanation was presented in a 5 minute dialogue
between Yar the younger and Picard, and also because much of the background
information was given in the previous week's promotional commercials...

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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.214102.45801@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2puhsagely@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes...
>Is there any fans of the British TV show Red Dwarf.  Its about a mining ship

	Right here!

> [description deleted]
>The show is on Saturday night on KCPT Kansas City Public television.  I wonder
>how many episodes there are and if it is still being made.  The show is based

	There are five seasons, each having six episodes. Season six is being
made as we speak, and will air in Britian in early spring.

>on a book by the same name.  Is there any sequels to the book?

	Actually, I heard RD was based on a radio show, and if memory serves,
the book is based on the TV series. Anyone out there with a better memory
remember what I'm talking about?

	Joe Delisle

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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:43:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec13.193144.471@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>In article <rawdon.724208819@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>> [Crossposted to r.a.startrek.misc and r.a.drwho]
>> 
>> Once the quality of the writing plummeted (in the Colin Baker and Sylvester
>> McCoy eras, both of which are almost uniformly *awful*), the series sputtered
>> and was cancelled.  (One wonders if the BBC - long an opponent of its own
>> show, for some perplexing reason - finally realized what was keeping DW afloat
>> and fired all the good writers or something.)

>I differ with you here Michael, the quality of the writing in those eras
>did not plummet at all.  The quality of the show's time slot did and thus
>the ratings suffered.
>If anything, the writing only got better with masterpieces like
>"Remembrance of the Daleks," "The Curse of Fenric," "The Greatest Show in
>the Galaxy," and "Survival."
>Otherwise I think we agree. Just wanted everyone to know that Michael's
>point about the scripts is one that is in dispute.

And *I* want everyone to know (as if they didn't already) that there are
those among us who agree wholeheartedly with Michael and are physically sick
at the idea that the abovementioned stories might be considered
"masterpieces" by *anyone*.  Because before the Baker and McCoy eras, Doctor
Who had believable characters and coherent plots.  At least in my book, you
need both of those in order to qualify as a "masterpiece."

Drewcifer
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From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Dumb QL question
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <1992Dec12.213031.10720@midway.uchicago.edu>, ied1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ingrid de Beus) writes:
>In article <Dec.8.19.49.51.1992.7821@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>>ICRTB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>>
>>>Ok, I give up.  What are the words to the QL intro.  This is kind of like
>>>trying to figure out the words to Louie Louie.  If you know the words to
>>>either of these, please post.
>>
>>
>><steps up to the mic:>
[quotes what seems to be an accurate representation of the current
QL intro]

Ok. Now I'd like to hear the original QL intro. The one that begins
"It all started when a time experiment . . . went a little ca-ca
. . . Time traveling 'Lone Ranger' -- & I don't even need a mask . . . ."

I thought that was ever so much more FUN!!
(I was in the process of moving that year, & don't have 
ANYTHING on tape)
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From: belonis@dirac.phys.washington.edu (Jim Belonis)
Subject: The Twonky  on TNT Dec 26 1AM
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:07:06 GMT

The fondly remembered but seldom seen Sci-fi comedy movie from the 1950's is on
the TNT cable TV network at 1am December 26 (late Christmas night).
I have not seen this movie for over 20 years, so my memories may be too
flattering, but I remember it as a fun time-waster with cheap special effects.
As far as I know, this film is not available on video.

It stars Hans Conried (also in 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T which is shown
the same night at 9pm December 25th Christmas).  He is one of the gods of
50's and 60's and 70's TV comic character-acting.  I think it likely
that this movie would be good practice for you MST3000 fans.

spoiler warning  (VERY sketchy plot summary)

The plot involves an alien that looks like a typical 1950's TV set
invading Conried's living room by replacing his TV set.


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Subject: Re: YAR'S DEATH SCENE
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:27:25 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg) writes:

> well, the whole problem with this is that they killed her off in the first
> 10-15 minutes of the show, didn't they?  i mean, you're killing off a major
> character her, it's her last show, so let her at least be the focus of the
> episode, and wait till the end to knock her off!  and let her go out in a
> heroic way!  you know, something like saving someone's life, sacrificing
> herself to save the ship, etc., etc.  i mean, how fucking lame are these
> writers anyway?  admittedly the things i mentioned above are nothing new,
> but at least they let the character go out with a bang, and hopefully make
> for a memorable last episode.
>                                      star trek sucks,
>                                                      ggreg
>  

I think that the main problem is that the episode was intended to shock the
audience.  The original plan, (according to Denise Crosby as related to a
group of us at a con), was that they would keep DC's leaving a secret.  So
then when we the audience viewed "Skin of Evil" we would have no idea that
she was even thinking of leaving and would be totally shocked that a major
character just died.  It might have actually worked accept that most of us
fans knew she was leaving about a month or so before.  So we knew that
the "Skin of Evil" episode was the one where she would die.  They needed
a better way to keep secrets.  So instead of what might have been an exciting
shock of seeing a major character killed off when we weren't expecting it,
we have the dull episode "Yar Meets Tar".


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