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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:36:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.231239.1601@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>
>I assumed that Ben sort of twisted the story somewhat when he gave it
>to Luke -- it probably wasn't even Anakin's. :)
>
>Ben was in the process of training Anakin, right? He didn't finish, I
>assume, the Emperor did. So Ben probably never gave Anakin his
>full-fledged Jedi saber. He kept it in a drawer a few decades. :)


	Or you could look at it this way: the saber Ben gave to Luke was blue,
the same color as Ben's own. Judging by the other sabers in the movies, each
Jedi constructs a characteristic color of lightsaber-- Vader's was red; Luke's
was green. Ergo, the "Anakin" saber was made by Ben.

	This may or may not mean Anakin actually used it. I'd guess Ben made it
for Anakin for practicing lightsaber skills, until such time as Anakin learned
enough to construct his own.


-- 
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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is YODA)
Subject: Re: Lapti Nek
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:19:20 GMT

  I picked up the music the other day in a music shop for $2.50 Australian
  and the all the lyrics are the same used by THE REBO BAND, i'll type them
  into the computer if I get any requests by E-mail

                                          may the force be with you
                                              TEMPLAR
From: setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: stupid/cool
Keywords: yes, more
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:12:40 GMT
Organization: the can

Ok, seeing as I trashed ROTJ last time, I found a part that I think is just
a neat line/scene.  When Han and Luke et al are on the Skiff travelling to
the Sarlacc's pad, Luke says, "There's not much to see, I grew up around
here you know..."  and Han " says "Yer gonna die here ya know, convenient."
(Ok, it's not word for word but you know what I'm talking about)  I also
like how Luke says "I'm taking care of everything"  He just seems less
nerdy as usual.

The stupid thing I thought of while reading the stuff about action figures.
Did anybody else think that most of the commercials for those were pretty
lame?

just some thoughts.....

john

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From: elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: the clone wars
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Can someone explain  the significance of the "Clone Wars" and
   its relationship to STAR WARS.

				Dan
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From: gene@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gene E. Johannsen)
Subject: Re: The Doors
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:02:49 GMT

beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.192208.6105@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>>It has always irritated me how incredibly fast those doors close. When
>>someone push the 'Close the door' button, the door comes down with The
>>Speed. I really wouldn't like to be under the door in Death Star when
>>it closes. Why would someone make that fast-moving doors in the galaxy
>>far, far away?

>If you look closely at these doors, you'll realize that Luke or whoever closes the
>thing appears to "freeze", probably allowing the prop dudes to lower the door -
>perhaps taking two or three frames to close.  Sort of a stop-motion trick.  Actually,
>I think the effect looks pretty cool, but you're right: to be caught under one of those
>babies is definitely contraindicated.

I think the method used was that the doors were lowered mechanically at a 
safe speed, then frames were cut out to make it faster.

The effect is a little jerky, which made me think it was stop motion, too.
But when I looked at it frame by frame, it was a lot less jerky than it
could have been.

This effect is a lot less jerky (IMHO) than when Ben switched on his
light saber, indicating to me that a different process might have been
used.

>   -barry

gene
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: How many days was TESB? (was Re: How many days was Star Wars?)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:33:20 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul25.183056.27807@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) writes:
>In a previous article, nab4574@sigma.tamu.edu (The Lord Reigns) says:
>>Try to do the same thing with TESB (enumerate each day's events): 
>>Unless you can drag the Falcon/Empire episode longer (max a few days), 
>>it sure makes it hard to have Luke on Degobah for as long as the movie
>>gives you the impression that it was (seemed like at least two or three
>>weeks).
>
>In article <1992Jul23.001846.5610@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>>It was my impression that it was at least a month or so.  Luke
>>trained on Dagobah, and the Falcon limped along to Bespin on sublight
>>engines.
>
>There's 2 discontinuities in the storyline:
>      (1) The time between when the Falcon was dumped with the Imperial
>          garbage and headed off to Bespin, and when it arrived at Bespin
>      (2) The time between when they were taken in by Lando C3PO was blasted,
>          and when C3PO was found and everyone was "invited" to dinner.
>
>These are where the time passed.

Well, I took a look at RotJ yesterday.  Just before heading off to Bespin, Han
says something like, "Let's see, where are we?  The XYZ system."  Then Leia
remarks that they're pretty much out in the boonies, but Han says "Well that's
interesting: Lando."  Leia responds, "Lando SYSTEM?"  Han then explains Lando is
a person, and that, "It's pretty far, but I think we can make it."  There is no 
mention of another system, so Bespin might have been in the general area, ie
XYZ system (sorry I don't remember the actaul name).  It's my guess that the MF
got to Cloud City on "impulse" power, and that it probably didn't take very long.

All, IMHO, natch.

  -barry h.


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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: stupid
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:19:53 GMT


I thought the bit where one Ewok dies, and his really dopey friend doesn't
realise what happened was excellent! It has me in stitches every time I see
it! Lucas was a genius for putting such classic comedy into the film!

Mike
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:11:06 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?

crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:

> Were toy version of the A and B wing fighters ever released?  I know I
> had the models, but I don't recall any neato toys with flashing lights
> and odd sound effects. :-)

     They definitely made a B wing because I have one! Rotating "gyro-balanced"
cockpit, fold-up wings, and everything. No lights, but I'm pretty sure it has
the typical Kenner laser sound, though I could be mistaken (been a long time
since I dragged it out). I don't think they ever got around to putting out an
A wing though.
                                            -Robb Timlin
                                             rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
From: fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Jedi=stupid part II
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:39:35 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <l6m7v9INNjjo@aludra.usc.edu>, joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
> 
> 	Almost forgot:
> 
> 	HATED the burping in Jedi.  
> 		a) When the toad on the road outside Jabba's did it
> 		that was OK
> 		b)BUt when the Sarlacc did it after eat Fett....gimma a break!
> 
> 	-joshuali@usc.edu

I concur. Also, all the laughing by the baddies - Salacious Crumb going
*hee-hee-hee* all the time, Jabba with *wuh-huh-huh-huh*, even the Emperor
has a few evil cackles. Vader is the only one who retains any dignity.

But for Cool - two of the best scenes in the whole trilogy, IMHO, are the
rebel fleet emerging from hyperspace and filling the screen, and the storm of
TIE fighters flying round the Falcon at the beginning of the battle


Richard Taylor
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From: moses@seasnake.micro.umn.edu (Matthew E. Moses)
Subject: Lucas interview
Organization: University of Minnesota, Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:24:43 GMT


For everyone's info:

Just received my latest issue of LucasFilm Fan Club magazine.  In there they
announce that the next issue will be an exclusive interview with George
Lucas which will try to answer some of the rumours floating around about the
start of a new Star Wars trilogy as well as, discuss the Young Indy series.
It didn't really specify that there is going to be a new trilogy but it is 
supposed to give George Lucas's plans/ideas for Star Wars.

When it comes out(probably a couple months) I can post a summary if there is 
interest.



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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:06:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.130101.17292@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>The B-wing had a cockpit that stayed level no matter how
>the ship was turned!

I believe that this was allegedly true for B-wings in the movies,
too...  Not much good in space, but ho, boy, when you're flying over a
planet, you'd be surprised how useful it is to have your weapons at a
124.7 degree tilt from perpendicular.

not.

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From: nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:13:00 GMT

In <1992Jul28.154054.11724@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:

>How about Salacious Crumb? Is there a Dickens allusion that I'm missing in
>his name?

he/she/it was included in the 
Jabba the Hutt Playset [trademark of LucasFilm Ltd]
my source?  i OWNED the thing.  ;)
--
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:04:01 GMT

elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (DANIEL) writes:
: >If Ben knew that Luke was the only person who could stop Vader he gave HIS OWN
: >sword to Luke to try and get him to become a Jedi!
: 
: 	Then what would Ben use to fight Vader?

His *spare* lightsaber!

C'mon, you know Jedis wouldn't have just one single measley lightsaber!
What if it blew a fuse?

Scott
From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:24:41 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul23.001815.17851@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.211804.18304@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>No, he's not, because he PAID the author for the right to publish it.
>>
>>So, if I steal someone's jewelry and leave $100.00 I am not stealing?
> 
> Invalid analogy.  The analogy is this: if I borrow someone's jewelry, put it
> in a matter replicator, create a copy, and give them back the original, and
> keep the copy, did I steal anything?

	As a matter of fact, yes.  If that jewelry had been registered with the
government as a protected piece of intellectual property, you indeed have.  In
fact, if I made a marble sculpture and you simply took a photograph of it, you
could (and from my own viewpoint, would) be subject to a lawsuit under the
copyright laws.  To be even more specific, even representation of somebody on
film is violating copyright laws unless they are somebody "commonly known"
(like President Bush, Cher, Winston Churchill, ect.   And this is a very vague
concept at best) and can and indeed have been successful at obtaining monetary
compensation for that appearance.  For the folks in So. Cal....how many of you
know, or you yourselves walked onto a film location where just for appearing
in front of the camera you were offered $50?  Please post a reply to this guy.

	If the jewelry was already a copy of something that would be considered
in the "public domain" then no, you haven't stolen anything....as long as you
got permission from the original owner to remove it from their possession (a
whole other topic I don't want to get into.)

		Rob "Woodchip" Horning
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Tape comparisons, please
Date: 30 Jul 1992 22:06:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <3828@phred.UUCP> jimn@phred.UUCP writes:

>We're looking for a comparison between the two sources because our Trilogy tapes are the less than stellar quality "edited for television" kind --HORRORS!-- and we'd now like to purchase a good set. Many thanks in advance, and please post your responses to the net.  

There aren't any differences in ANY of the Videos except ONE. The Star Wars
tape had one line added in '87. It's a line by 3PO in the Death Star
control room. You don't have to worry about that though. ALL the scenes
were there from the beginning. Get either the boxed set or the individual
tapes they're both the same and complete.
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:54:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BruMxE.MBy@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>
>The SSD passed right through the shields and caused extensive, if local,
>damage to the Death Star.  If the Death Star has holes in its shielding
>large enough to pass the Millenium Falcon, it has holes large enough to
>pass photon torpedoes, anti-matter bombs delivered via transporter, or
>any other destructive device that the Feds chose to use.   

When the SSD hit the Death Star (and the fighters and Falcon went into the
superstructure) the shield was down.  With the shield up, NO weapon or ship
could get near it.  (As a side note: the shield generator was on Endor while
the Death Star was under construction.  Had the DS been completed, it would
have its own shield.)

Andy
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 09:44:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul27.154856.7780@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Well, a lot of people, some a lot more important than others:
>STUFF DELETED
>Who are some others? 

What about:
	Tarkin
	Dodonna
	Willard
	The Bartender (*I* think they should have made him :) )
	Reiken
	Ozzle
	Peitt
	Veers
	Needa
	Jerjerrod
		(I guess the Imperial Commander could be substituted for the
		above four)
	Han in Stormtrooper outfit.
	Leia in dancing girl outfit.
	Oola the dancing girl.
	
	Here are some that would have been neat:
		White 3PO (I heard they actually made one in Japan)
		Idiot droid
		That little half dome "clicking" droid.
		How about the desert trooper with the orange shoulder flag?
		Cantina band members.
		Luke in bacta bikinis
		Luke and Leia in the robes at the end of Empire.
		How a bout  a Vader with Anakin's face underneath?
		
	Any more?

	-joshuali@usc.edu


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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:31:36 GMT

An earlier post of mine asked about how Han knew that Lando was a "good guy"
after he was thawed.
Well, I've had it pointed out to me (several times over :) that I had
forgotten that they threw Chewie in the cell with Han the night before
their "execution."  Thanks to everyone who responded.

Here's another question: When the rebels are evacuating from Hoth, why can Luke
manage to fly away to Degobah unmolested?  The rest of the rebels had to
deal with the Imperial Star Destroyers.  Maybe it's just because he's in
a single X-wing and could slip away unnoticed...but then why did the Falcon
receive so much attention?  Just wondering out loud.

On a separate topic, the stupid/cool thread, I would nominate as a cool
scene from ROTJ, the one when the A-Wing gets hit and flies into the bridge
of the Super Star Destroyer.  The pilot does an awesome scream, and I love
seeing the Imperial command staff "duck" for cover.  
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From: jimn@phred.UUCP (Jim Nevermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Tape comparisons, please
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:12:55 GMT
Reply-To: jimn@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

A commercially boxed set of the Trilogy VCR tapes has been available for several months. However, I read in this net recently that there were some (minor?) deletions in each of the tapes, but I don't recall what those deletions might have been. If the deletions really exist, I'd like to read a few comments about them as well as the quality of the tape set in general.

Of course the VCR tapes are also available individually through the various video "clubs" that advertise in seemingly every magazine one reads. I'd like brief comments on the quality of those tapes too.

We're looking for a comparison between the two sources because our Trilogy tapes are the less than stellar quality "edited for television" kind --HORRORS!-- and we'd now like to purchase a good set. Many thanks in advance, and please post your responses to the net.  
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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:47:04 GMT

elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL) writes:

>In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes...
>>If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
>>when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
>>oxygen to support combustion.

>	Well,the answer is that 1. there is a great deal of fuel on the
>   spacecrafts that blow up  and 2. The oxygen is in the ship.
>	...or the ship could be  propelled with a O2/fuel mixture.

>>Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.
>> 
>>Peter

>	The real question is how does the explosion make all that noise.
>    Sound wave need a medium to travel through in order to be heard.

And who's playing that music all throughout the films...?

>---Am I right?

>  Daniel			elee9tv@jetson.uh.edu


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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
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Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 22 JUL 92 15:19:32    

In article <5050@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes...
>A month or two at sublight speed is NOT going to get you between
>star systems.
> 
>The explanation I see is that Lucas and company made the classic
>blunder that so many other movie and TV producers have made. They
>really have no grasp at how big space is, and how far it really
>is between star systems, so that you can't easily drop in on 
>a system "next door" since next door, even for near by star system,
>is a couple of light years and thus at least a couple of years
>away at sub-light speeds.
> 
>--
>Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer

Jim has made the classic blunder of assuming a star density similar to our 
own.  However, even if this were the case there's no major inconsistency 
here, as the journey could well have taken a couple of years.

I suspect Lucas was intentionally vague on this point as any explanation 
leaves open questions.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: When does book 3 of Zahn's "Heir..." trilogy come out?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:14:22 GMT

In article <mumble> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
> cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey) said:

>cuscd> there's so much government turmoil going on in the Republic,
>cuscd> how can they refocus themselves into destroying Thrawn and
>cuscd> reforming a galactic unity ???
>
>cuscd> Lets start a thread on the possibilities...
>
>Who says there has to be galactic unity? They can foul Thrawn's plans,
>and give the Empire a bloody nose, and have it end like that. Then
>there can be another set of books, and another, and another.........

There already is another set of books set after Zahn's trilogy, the
"Dark Empire" comic books being put out by Dark Horse.  

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."