From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:21:50 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov8.212603.2978@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> In <1992Nov8.133755.8498@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
>>Okay, I have had enough of the "I hate Ace" "I hate McCoy", time for some 
>>responses.
 
>>2. "Everyone likes/hates her."  Well, put me on the like side.  I appreciate 
>>her lack of screaming, and I gained infinite approval for her when she 
>>attacked the Daleks with her softball bat.  How many other companions, male 
>>or female, young or old, would have done the same?  Certainly none of those 
>>that fall into the screaming ninny catagory, and I doubt whether either of 
>>the Romanas would, they just were not physical enough.  About the only one 
>>to do it would be Leela, but she is another one of my favorites (gee, big 
>>surprise there!)
> 
> Again...I don't care.  Romana and Leela had it all over this pouting,
> sullen, thoroughly irritating little brat.  Dysfunctional family or no,
> screaming or no, she was just an abrasive character.
> 
She didn't seem to pout near as much as Peri, or screem as much as many of 
the other companions. Ace is by no means my favorite companion, but I can 
understand why some people like her. I can also understand why some people 
dislike her. (I think she's ok),  


> She's still worse than Adric.  Adric had a certain boyish charm when at his
> best.  Ace, at *her* best, simply used ridiculous expressions of approval
> at which I spent lots of time snickering ("ace," "wicked").
Well Adric suffered from Westley Crusher syndrome, he was this supper 
genius with a mind so powerfull he could create things out of thin air. 
Ace just thinks shhe knows everything.
> 
>>5. "She became a major theme in the stories, rather than just a bystander"
>>Well, I can applaud this.  I am one of those strange people who puts season 
>>26 at the top of my list.  I like the idea of someone other than the Doctor 
>>being an integral part of the stories - Ace's hangups, past, and talents 
>>were the centerpoint of some of the stories, and I applaud that leap by the 
>>writers/producers.  Did it kill the show?  I doubt it, the BBC wanted to 
>>kill it, and the character of Ace, Cartmel (script editor), McCoy's Doctor 
>>and JNT were of secondary importance in the end.
> 
> This might have been nice if (a) she were charming enough for us to care
> about her hangups, and (b) these hangups were resolved.  As far as I can
> tell, her major step forward was losing her fear of water.  That's character
> development?
> 
I don't know, depends on how it was done.

>>Okay, there it is, some of my rationalizations for liking the character of 
>>Ace, McCoy's Doctor and the whole damn show.  And if you are going to 
>>followup, plllllleeeeeeaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee  edit down the text, I am 
>>getting tired of reading too much stuff in these debates.
> 
> Too bad, deal with it.  If you don't want to read, don't bother to post.
> 
> And may I point out that a million points of logic will not help me like
> Ace.  I doubt that you care...so you can drop it unless you have a stronger
> purpose in mind than changing my opinion.  It seems everyone but me loves
> the little strumpet so why are you arguing?  I'm a Scorpio, I'm too stubborn
> for this sort of thing to work.  :)
> 
> Drewcifer
As a person who neither loves nor hates Ace, I would like to make a 
suggestion. I used to have this habit of thiking that my likes and 
dislikes were god's truth and writen in stone as right., but I soon 
relized that there is no right and wrong in matters of taste, or perhapse 
there is only right. If one person likes something, then he or she likes 
it, end of story. It's damn hard to change a person's oppinion about one  
thing or another. So make sure when you discuss things that you relize 
that the other persons oppinions are no less valid then your own.


----Marc Seebass
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