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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.202110.28441@math.ucla.edu> mosko@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bradley Moskowitz) writes:
>With regard to instant replay, I'd rather have no replays than the system
>used in the past few years. As many have stated already, it disrupted play
>much too often. I think the NFL should go to a system like that used by
>the USFL during its brief existence. Their system allowed a team to ask for
>a replay review of a disputed call - at the risk of losing a time-out if the
>play was not reversed. This system will not cause as many interruptions in
>play and will result in only critical calls being reviewed. So we won't
>have to wait while they decide where to spot a ball for ten minutes or
>suffer through numerous reviews. What do others think of this system ?

I'm sorry, but that approach makes too much sense for the NFL  :-)

Actually, the USFL approach (or a slight modification of it) is what I
would strongly favor.  There are times where a call is so bad that it
should not be allowed to stand, and this system would affect those type
calls.  The marginal, *human* calls would still be the vast majority of
plays so the game would not slow down.  (Plus, you would have less
complaining by coaches on the sideline.  If you don't like the call,
request for a review.  If you are right, O.K.!  If you are wrong, you
cost your team a time out or a delay of game penalty.)

But as I said, this makes too much sense for the NFL.

Thad Crews

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From: bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: other heismans
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:35:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


I forgot these players

     Andre Ware           Detroit
     Barry Sanders        Detroit


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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:09:38 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bubby Done?

Word out of Steeler training camp is that Neil O'Donnell looks VERY
impressive.  The media is anticipating O'Donnell being the starter for
opening day.

Todd
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:47:51 GMT
Subject: Elway's backup?
Organization: work
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	Just read in the paper that the Broncos cut Steve Peuller.
	I realize he wasn't much, but what does that leave Denver
	with? Maddox and Moore(or Lee, whatever his name is)?
	With Elway getting on in years and more susceptible to
	injury, it seems a bit risky going without a veteran
	backup.

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs Broncos Stats
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:23:40 GMT

In article <Bt5Mp4.KFp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) writes:
>Can any Bronco fans out there in Denver land tell me why Sammie Smith
>did not play against the Dolphins in Berlin? I only saw portions of
>the game, and did not hear the announcers make any mention of him.
>
>Peter Brown
>-- 
>

Groin injury.  He has not played since he has been in Denver.  Should be
back pretty soon.
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From: gd@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (gregory.durant)
Subject: Re: Steelers back?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:55:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.131613.20369@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <seVaVje00WBO01L3d7@andrew.cmu.edu>, Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> I went to the Steeler game Saturday and saw Randall's debute.  He was 1
>> for 3 for 10 yards and had 3 carries for 21 yards.  He was sacked once. 
>> He did not look sharp; however, I'm sure he'll be fine by Sept. 6th. 
>
>I didn't see the game, but I saw the highlights on the local news.  Two
>thoughts on Randall returning.  One, I was thrilled to see him scrambling
>like the Randall of old.  His knee did not appear to bother him on the
>runs I saw.  Two, I was scared to death to see him scrambling like the
>Randall of old.  From what I heard, he played two series.  What the hell
>is wrong with the offensive line to have Randall scramble three times and
>be sacked once on two series?
>

I think if you would have seen the game you would have gotten a different 
impression of both Randall and the offensive line. Randall looked good
after being out for a year. Two thoughts, although he went 1 for 3, one pass 
(~15 yard gain resulting from a scramble and throw) was ruled out of bounds 
although the replay showed the receiver being in, where is instant replay 
when you need it? The other is that Randall was never an exceptional precentage
passer, which doesn't mean he shouldn't try to be.
The offensive line didn't look that bad. Of course I could still be using
last weeks disgraceful performance against the Jets as a reference. I don't
know how good the Steelers defensive line is, but there were some unfamiliar
holes for the rbs to run through! Case in point, Herschel. The other surprise
was that Herschel wasn't going down immediately after initial contact!

Greg Durant
AT&T-BL FSAT-E
Whippany, NJ
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: How's Herschel Walker Doing?
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:26:41 GMT

dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:

>about how the Herschel Experiment is going.

>Does this look like a winner?

>In short: is this guy going to be a threat out of the backfield?
>Will they finally have someone other than Randall for opposing
>defenses to worry about?

>Dick V.

The answers are: no, no, and no....sorry Dick.
Of course I may be speaking as an extremely disappointed Vikings
fan.  Unless Herschel has an attitude change AND the Eagles are
able to do some super run blocking (something I have not seen them
do very recently) this is not going to be a winner.  I am a Herschel
fan though, and do like to see him do well.  But, I would hate to 
see him do well for the Eagles - I'd like them to have SOME weaknesses.

- a memeber of the purple faithful -
   
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programmer, and all-around good guy, glad to be back in Minnesota
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From: paul@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/6/92
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: paul@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AWD Graphics Subsystem Development
Originator: paul@wadehra.austin.ibm.com


Well, I heard on the news last night that Rypien signed.  What is the outlook
for the other three holdouts (Lachey, Green, Howard)?  DId Rypien get what he
wanted?
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From: paul@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Redskins holdouts
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: paul@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AWD Graphics Subsystem Development
Originator: paul@wadehra.austin.ibm.com



Does anyone know the status of Lachey, Green or Howard?

Thanks.
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From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:15:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <20704@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal
) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.055542.1523@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C
. Bennett) writes:
>
>>Sorry to do a repost of the entire article, but I figured some people may not
>>know what the heck I was replying to if I cut it all up. After reading the
>>replies from the original post I find that the person who made the replies
>>basically just hates the Cowboys and figures if he trashes everything that
>>someone says about the Cowboys that he will walk around with a smile on his
>>face for the rest of the day.
>
>You are talking about me?  I made the reply you mention.  And I am not
>a Cowboy hater, I couldn't care less about the Cowboys.  I worry about
>the Bengals, Steelers, Oilers, and Browns only.  But when I read an
>article as ridiculous as that, I can't help but respond.
>
>My point was simply that teams will not trade their superstars for
>a couple of lesser, average at best players.  Would the Cowboys be
>willing to trade Michael Irvin (they have Harper to fill in, right)
>to the Bengals for Rickey Dixon and Barney Bussey?  Those two are
>average DB's, something the Cowboys need, right?  Well, no, of course
>they wouldn't, because Irvin is really good and the other guys are
>average.  If you would trade 1 really good Cowboy for 2 average Bengals,
>then continue to post about how the Cowboys can trade several average
>players for 1 really good player.  Otherwise my point is made.
>
>--dave
>
    No, your point was not made. Your argument just didn't make sense for
    Dixon is no Noonan and Bussey is no Casillas. I didn't claim, in the
    original post, that either Noonan or Casillas are Pro Bowl caliber
    players, but both are solid players who can help many teams in the damn
    league. If you disagree with the suggested trades that's fine, there is
    always room for disagreement. You can modify the original trades or
    propose entirely new ones that are reasonable. Just do not turn the
    subject to a Cowboy-bashing affair.

    Malik....
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From: mitchell@linus.mitre.org (Richard B. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Aug20.061409.13292@a.cs.okstate.edu>
	<1992Aug20.133140.9129@brtph560.bnr.ca>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:03:07 GMT


   In article <1992Aug20.061409.13292@a.cs.okstate.edu>, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
   |>  1991   Desmond Howard, Michigan               Washington
   |>  1990   Ty Detmer, Brigham Young               Green Bay
   |>  1989   Andrew Ware, Houston                   Detroit
   |>  1988   Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State          Detroit
   |>  1987   Tim Brown, Notre Dame                  Raiders
   |>  1986   Vinny Testaverde, Miami                Tampa Bay
   |>  1985   Bo Jackson, Auburn                     Nike
   |>  1984   Doug Flutie, Boston College            CFL
   |>  1983   Mike Rozier, Nebraska                  Atlanta ?????                
   |>  1982   Herschel Walker, Georgia               Philadelphia
   |>  1981   Marcus Allen, USC                      Raiders
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought George Rodgers of South Carolina won the Heisman in '81.

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From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:42:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193206.26253@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>>The Skins first-string defense has not had a point scored against it
>>in preseason games so far.  All scoring has been done in the second
>>half against the Skins second-stringers and wannabes.  
>
>This is the second time I've seen this statement on the net.
>
>Would you like to explain how this sits with the fact the Dolphins
>led the Skins 16-7 at halftime in the first exhibition game?

How about:
  "Since the Skins play 5 preseason games this year, the first one doesn't
   count"
or
  "The first string defense didn't play at all in the Miami game"
No?  maybe
  "Well, the 2 TDs they scored came as the result of offense/special
   teams miscues.  They didn't score on those plays, but almost immediately
   thereafter.  As for the FG, that's a kick so it was scored against special 
   teams, not defense!"
OK, OK dammit, it's just a misquote.  They have held opponents scoreless
in only the last 2 preseason games.

Drew
drew@verdix.com
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:26:23 GMT

     <stuff deleted>

>Late last week a conference call was set up between Wolf, Buckley, and
>Buckley's agent.  The call ended, after a brief discussion, with
>Buckley exclaiming "Pay me or Trade me", then hanging up on Wolf.
>It looks like it could be awhile before he's in a Packer uniform.
    
    Yeah, I just read about the that exchange and it reminded me of my
    pre-high school days when I'd get into an argument w/my girlfriend
    and she'd hang up on me. Or vice versa. Real mature. 

    I say screw it, let the SOB hold out. Try your hand at baseball, Terrell.
    Spend a couple years on buses making $30,000 a year. Yeah, the Pack will
    probably suck without him, but they'll suck with him too. Once again, 
    holdouts and not the improvement of the team is the major source of news
    out of Green Bay. Oh well, Go Badgers!!!

    --salty

>-Todd
>


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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: NFL stats
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:01:10 GMT

htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>Can anyone tell me if a players career stats. are just for the regular
>>season, or do they include how they went in the pre-season as well??
>> 
>I seriously doubt that pre-season stats are included, but post-season is
>another matter entirely. I would guess that a player's career stats 
>include post-season play.

Wrong. 

For purposes of record keeping etc, the NFL divides its categories into
regular season and post-season. All those 'official lifetime stats' you
see are for regular season only, unless labeled otherwise.

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From: asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JONAX)
Subject: Gayle Gardener
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:44:17 GMT


   I hate her, I despise her, get her plugged-up-nose-voice out of
the NFL, as a matter of fact out of any media....
   This has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman....if any
man was as annoying as she is I would say the same for him...I have 
nothing agaist women sports-casters...just against one like Gayle 
Gardner!!!!!!!

   AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

	
  Is she married to some Exec. in NBC?  How on earth did she get the
job?


2*AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

            							JonaX
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From: john@111jn.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Nolin)
Subject: Re: Redskins holdouts
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:43:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.085547.705@calmasd.prime.com>, wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
|> In article <1992Aug18.141934.28748@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, paul@austin.ibm.com writes:
|> > 
|> > 
|> > Well, I heard that yesterday the Redskins told their three holdouts -
|> > Lachey, Green and Howard that they had until midnight (Monday) to accept
|> > their respective offers; otherwise, those offers would go DOWN (hardball).
|> > 
|> > Any news?
|> > 
|> > -- 
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|> > R. Paul Wadehra                                 Graphics Subsystem Development
|> > paul@wadehra.austin.ibm.com                 IBM Advanced Workstations Division
|> > (512) 838-1132  T/L 678-1132              11400 Burnet Road, Austin, TX  78758
|> 
|> 
|> 	I heard that Washington offered Desmond enough money to make him the
|> second highest paid Redskin, and HE TURNED IT DOWN!  The guy's never even taken
|> a snap, this shit is getting truly ridiculous.
|> 	There's also suppose to be some sort of fued between Leigh Steinberg &
|> the GM for the 'Skins.  So Desmond & Lachey may be caught up in that thing.
|> 
|> walter

I agree 100%!
Who the hell do these guys think they are?
I'm ashamed to say it but NFL players are starting to take on the
reputation of tele-evangilists in my eyes.  NFL players seem to be
taking this "My dick is bigger than yours" attitude with their salaries.
 It makes me want to puke.  


-John "part of the problem" Nolin-
(Yes, I still buy NFL tickets and watch games)
Geaux Saints!
From: glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (, Gene A. Heyler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 1992 14:31:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I vote for the sudden death (sudden victory?) rule, whereby a team can win 
the game on a single possession. At least in baseball, both teams get to 
bat in extra innings (imagine a game where the visting team scores in the 
top of the tenth and the game is over????) and in basketball, hockey, 
soccer, or any other sport, teams get multiple possessions in overtime.

They should amend the rule so that if a team wins the toss and scores on 
their first possession in overtime, the other team gets one more shot to 
tie or win.

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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Stupid rules
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:14:59 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <866mrxf@lynx.unm.edu>, jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb) writes:

| 	3) In the grasp. Stupid stupid stupid. Even in the watered down form.

  Sorry, the new version seems pretty logical. It only applies when one
player is hold the QB and another is about to deliver a hit. The QB is
going down anyway, so the only effect on the game is that you don't see
as many 2nd string QBs playing.

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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Benno's prediction
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:50:53 GMT


    
ESPN'S COOK PICKS NOTRE DAME:
   USA TODAY columnist Michael Hiestand reports that ESPN analyst 
Beano Cook doesn't just pick Notre Dame to win the college 
football national championship this year. Says Cook: "If they 
played on Sundays, they might just go 9-7, and they could at least 
win the AFC Central division." After Notre Dame, Cook likes 
Syracuse for the national title.
    

After a misque like that I'd say Ole Benno ought to get back on his medication.


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From: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Reply-To: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:24:20 GMT

I dont believe Ron Brown won the Heisman, 
but I could be wrong ...

Ty Detmer is with Green Bay 
Doug Flutie Calgary (CFL)
Rocket Ismail Toronto (CFL)


roger.
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