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From: smh@echidna.adept.oz.au (Stephen Hodgman)
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
Subject: Community Vegie Garden - info required
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:28:30 GMT
Organization: The Echidna's Revenge

 >Would anyone who has experience in starting up a local comm veg garden please
 >leave any ideas, difficulties, suggestions etc here pliz. We're trying to >  start
 >one up in Footscray, Melbourne, Victoria. My address is 32 Pilgrim St,
 >Footscray Victoria Australia 3011. Also, has anyone any Permaculture contacts, > 

The Canberra Organic Growers have a number (5?) of gardens spread over canberra.
They are on "unused" local govt land and are run and financed by members of
COGS.  They have been going for a number of years.  We became involved in 1988
and have found it a great way to get experience gardening, meet people and
supplement to veges ;-)

I could provide more infor if you want to email me
Steve
From: Erik.Huizer@SURFnet.nl (Erik Huizer)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: UFN papers
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:10:59 +1030
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au

Now Steve has these out in revised version, I am planning to tell the IESG
to recommend publishing these as RFCs. I'll send out the recommendation
tomorrow. If anyone has anymore objections/comments please let me know asap.

I also am looking for reference to implementations of these papers, which
strenghtens the recommendation.

Erik
From: philip@cgin.cto.citicorp.com (Philip Gladstone)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: User Friendly Naming
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:24:21 +1030
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au


Has there been any thought on how to extend UFN to handle 
residentialPerson style objects? For example, my DN could be (but not
in the directory yet) [Some alignment with NADF might be desirable]

   streetAddress=2001 Stearns Hill Rd + cn="Gladstone, Philip",
   l=Waltham,
   st=Massachusetts,
   c=US

Note that this DN has two localities in it (MA and Waltham).

Thoughts?

Philip
From: simon*hunt
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: test
Date: 19 Jan 93 17:00:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems UK Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: napier.uk.sun.com


only testing - sorry
From: adrian@cs.uq.oz.au (Adrian Lee)
Newsgroups: aus.photo
Subject: 35mm compacts
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:44:21 GMT
Reply-To: adrian@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

Hi,

I'm looking for recommendations on a "does everything" (AF, zoom, flash,
etc. etc.) for a friend of mine who hasn't any net access.  Ideal price
range would be sub-$500 retail.  Usage, initially, will be
in SE Asia during the summer so I guess humidity would be a factor.
If you can recommend something please let me know.  And if there
is enough interest I'll summarize and repost.

Thanks,
Adrian
(adrian@cs.uq.oz.au)
Newsgroups: aus.photo
From: jenny@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Jenny Rollo)
Subject: Photography courses, schools
Organization: Institute of Geophysics, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:15:59 GMT

There is a possiblity that I may move to Australia in the not too distant future, to Queensland most probably, and I'd like any information about photography schools around the Brisbane area.  I would like to know which institutions run courses, their duration and entry requirements.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with this matter.

Jenny Rollo.
jenny@gphs.vuw.ac.nz
Newsgroups: aus.photo
From: dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au (Dan Grimm)
Subject: E6 processing - where? Also Cibachrome prints - costs? 
Organization: Electrical & Computer Systems Eng. Dept., Monash Uni.
Distribution: melbourne
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:38:53 GMT

Hi,
I am seeking advice as to where I can get reasonably cheap slide processing
and mounting. Preferabbly around Clayton-thru caulfield area.

I used to get E6 done on campus thru a dept. but sales tax changes canned 
that.

Also after a place that is liable to do good cibachrome prints.

Added complication: All of these slides are very blue - underwater photos
(seals, wrecks etc from around melbourne and wilsons prom).
Dan Grimm
Dept. Elec & Comp. Sys. Engineering, Monash Uni. Australia.
ph.(+61 3) 565 3479, Fax 565 3454,     dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au
From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: aus.photo
Subject: Re: U.S. Prices for Cameras.
Date: 24 Jan 1993 10:39:45 +1100
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.42bis
NNTP-Posting-Host: kralizec.zeta.org.au

In <1jijuvINNt4n@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> cris@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Christopher Welsh) writes:

>My friend is going over seas and would like a rundown on the costs of
>a few models.
>Is there a news group that reaches the U.S. and deals with camera models and 
>prices?

Try posting a message in rec.photo. This group originates from the US
I think.
-- 
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    Send electronic mail to craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au, flames to /dev/null.
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          Supporting the Preservation of Australia's Railway Heritage
Newsgroups: aus.photo
From: robert@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Robert Groom)
Subject: Anyone know where to hire EOS equipment?
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus.photo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:21:47 GMT
Keywords: Canon EOS hire

I've just read the article on p.64 of Australian Photgraphy Feb 1993
about hiring all sorts of photographic goodies from various sources.
It mentions Nikon and Minolta for 35mm but nothing of Canon EOS gear.
Does anyone know whether EOS equipment (especially L lenses) can be
hired anywhere in Australia?  I suspect the answer is no, due to the
smaller market and minimal demand, but I'd be interested to hear from
the net.readership.  Besides there's never much in aus.photo anyway. :-)

-- 
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robert@labtam.oz.au
Labtam Australia Pty Ltd         phone: +61-3-587-1444 fax: +61-3-580-5581
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.education
From: mahoney@helios.usq.EDU.AU (barry mahoney)
Subject: Directory of External Courses at Aust Uni's
Summary: Does this exist?
Keywords: DEC
Organization: University of Southern Queensland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:57:33 GMT

I have been told that somewhere there exists a directory of External
Courses offered by Australian Tertiary Institutions. Does this exist
somewhere and if so how does one gain access to it?

Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: djewell@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (David Jewell - Radio and Satellite Networks)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:21:16 GMT

In article <ADT.93Jan20175208@saussure.technix.oz.au> adt@technix.oz.au (Andrew Tune) writes:
>
>The one which isn't running at a profit, regardless of the country.
>If the English company has a profit making factory in Oz and a
>loss-making factory in the UK, shutting down the Australian one would
>be a recipe for disaster.  But this is nothing to do with geography,
>it's to do with profitability.
>
But what if by closing the Australian office and bringing home to the UK
their manager I can make head office most efficient and profitable? We
can play 'what ifs' for years though. As a people in a 'democratic'
country, where do you want your seat of economic power? In your own
elected parliament or in the boardroom of some multinational company that
is propelled by profit with scant regard for the social fibre of any community?
DJ...


Newsgroups: aus.general
From: guy@harlqn.co.uk (Guy Snape)
Subject: Re: REQ: Waltzing Matilda
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:34:15 GMT

Scott Hansohn wrote

>How about the lyrics for Waltzing Matilda?  Annotations would be handy to
>explain key phrases for us northerners.

There are a couple of other good songs based on this...

"And the band played Waltzing Matilda" by Eric Bogle, recorded by The
Pogues (Rum Sodomy & The Lash I think..) among others, is a blackly
comic account of the Battle of Gallipoli, from the viewpoint of an
Aussie soldier.

"Tom Trauberts Blues (Three Sheets to the Wind in Copenhagen)" by Tom
Waits, from the album Small Change.  This has recently been covered by
Rod Stewart.  Check out the original though (coz TW is one of my heroes).

Anyway, here's a bit of what I can remember of the Aussie original...

Once a jolly swagman sat by a billabong,
Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
and he sang while he sat and he waited til his billy boiled,
Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me.

Swagman = thief/tramp/hobo/bum (depending on which version of English
you speak)
Billabong = a small lake
billy = kettle

I can't remember the rest of the song exactly, but I seem to recall
that this particular swagman had stolen a couple of sheep, and was
chased by a couple of members of the local constabulary, who he may or
may not have shot.  He ended up jumping in the billabong shouting
"You'll never take me alive".  

I suspect that his ghost is probably still singing "Who'll go
a-waltzing Matilda with me" as he wheels his wheelbarrow down streets
broad and narrow.... oh damn, that's a different song altogether ;-) .

Cheers,

Guy


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From: Greg.Kerr@p2.f547.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Greg Kerr)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Credit Ratings was Australian Products
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:18:10

jeremy@cs.adelaide.edu.au
Hi jeremy

I remember on the 20-Jan-93 you wrote:

 j> From: jeremy@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Jeremy Webber) Organization: Digital
 j> Arts Film and Television

 j> Just like an individual, the country has a "credit rating", and based
 j> on that credit rating overseas people are willing to lend us a certain
 j> amount, in order to be the "cheaper and better" imported goods.  Once
 j> the national debt gets over the limit that people are willing to lend,
 j> then the money will stop flowing in, and you will not be able to import
 j> goods at any price.

    As a side issue to the debate I would like to comment on the credit rating
part of the comment above. I work for a company that uses CRAA (Credit
Reference Association of Australia). and would like to point out the realities
of the so called credit rating system.

    How it works is that no one has a rating as such rather a list of all the
companies that you have done credit with in the last seven years. there is also
a seperate list of wether you have had court judgments, defaulted on any
payments or gone bankrupt. So rather than a rating you have a credit history of
wether you haven't paid your creditors or not. Going bankrupt is mildly better
than being a total clearout. The other side is that if you haven't applied for
any credit then you wont have a credit history, this is probably more
suspiscious as you have to suspect that the person applying for credit is using
a false name.

    The other thing is if you do clearout (shift address and leave no
forwarding address) and then apply for credit within the seven years above then
your new address will be passed on to any creditors still owed money and in all
likelihood you will not be accepted for credit by any new companies.

        Cheers Greg
 * Origin: The Hidden Garden (3:635/547.2)
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: mouse@appleoz.apple.oz.au (Giovanna Ostacchini)
Subject: Re: Australian Products?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:44:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Australia Pty Ltd

>The rest of the world began their recessions fairly recently, unlike Australia
>which began its recession before everyone else two and a half years ago.  I

Are you sure about this?  According to my (personal) knowledge, the UK started
their recession about six years ago?  Or doesn't the UK count as "the rest of
the world"?

>would hope that Australia is by now showing more growth than other OECD
>countries which have only recently reached the bottom of their recessions.

>
>>That virtually the entire global economy is in recession and it's all
>>Paul Keating's fault?
>
>Nah, that's not his fault, he just beat them to it in the country he was
>running.
>
>Chris O'Neill
>Telecom Research Labs

mouse
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The opinions cited above are mine and nobody else's!
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Herbivorously Challenged? I think not!
Followup-To: aus.general
Organization: University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:06:25 GMT

Stuart Andrews, Jack Strangio and Jonathan Gowland write:
|> >
|> >> >TOP SEVEN REASONS NOT TO BE A VEGETARIAN
|> >> >
|> >> >1. What about the poor plants?
|> >> >2. The cow has a really good life until the end.
|> >> >3. The cow wouldn't have existed at all if we didn't eat it.
|> >> >4. God put animals on the earth for us to use.
|> >> >5. We're more important than animals anyway.
|> >> >6. Where do you get your protein from?
|> >> >7. (just recently) vegetarians have to pop vitamin pills all the time.
|> >> 8. If God had meant us to eat vegies, why did He invent butchers?
|> >9. So vegetarians are able to wear leather shoes!

10. It's better to kill animals than it is to kill plants, because plants are
   not only easier to enjoy (go on, try taking a relaxing stroll through a
   field full of cows waving in the breeze...) but they also produce oxygen
   for us to breathe, whereas animals often produce methane... :)



Jon
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: epacxl@epa.ericsson.se (Chris Leach - IS/PX)
Subject: Who has a CISCO router for lease
Followup-To: aus.followup
Originator: epacxl@bdsun1
Keywords: CISCO, router, lease
Reply-To: epacxl@epa.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Australia PTY LTD
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:09:45 GMT


Does anyone know of a company that could rent a CISCO router 
from now to about April.


-- 
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Ericsson Australia (ACN 004 071 854)	Fax:   +61 3 3011361
Information System Services		Phone: +61 3 3011084
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From: djewell@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (David Jewell - Radio and Satellite Networks)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:40:09 GMT


Shopping for Australian products in supermarkets is difficult, especially
when 'Australian Supermarket' have their own product lines which in the vast
majority of cases contain imported products. This is an area where we need
easier labelling laws. Perhaps we could have labels that say 
"FOREIGN COMPANY" and/or "FOREIGN PRODUCT" when there is less than 51% 
Australian involvement. Fortunately I don't have much of a problem in this
area because I buy the majority of my 'supermarket' products from a 100%
Australian company using Australian materials. And they mail it to me so
I don't waste time standing in checkout queues before I can eat.

David...

djewell@trl.oz.au

Newsgroups: aus.general
From: adt@technix.oz.au (Andrew Tune)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Organization: TechNIX Consulting Services, Melbourne, Australia
	<1993Jan15.020509.80@cs.su.oz.au>
	<1993Jan15.050239.3995@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au>
	<ADT.93Jan18171826@saussure.technix.oz.au>
	<1993Jan19.042331.13843@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au>
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 08:34:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.042331.13843@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au> Russell
Sparkes writes:
> adt@technix.oz.au (Andrew Tune) writes:
> Note that I did say it was propaganda.

Sure, I have no problem with that.  I just hoped that someone might be
able to provide some interesting answers to my questions.

> My policy is, look for Australian stuff, if it's only a couple of cents
> cheaper (talking foodstuffs and misc household goods), and about the same
> quality, then buy it. I'm not religous about it.

My policy is similar, as it happens.  But I still have my questions.
(The reasons for my policy are varies; the simplest is environmental).

adt.
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From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Australian Products?
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:33:04 GMT

in article <1993Jan21.035632.23989@bby.com.au>, gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) says:
> As long as we remain a commodity based exporter, we will get screwed
> along with the rest of the third world.  It's only by changing the
> export base to manufactered goods, value-added goods, services and
> intellectual property that we will improve.

Well, tourism and manufacturing together make more than 50% of Australia's
export earnings (inbound tourism is treated as an export) and services forms
another large percentage.  I don't see that we're *too* heavily dependent upon
commodities looking at that score.

Damn, I really should get a copy of the last National Accounts and shoot some
hard figures in here...

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: acjbooks@citr.uq.oz.au (ACJ Books (Chris))
Subject: Notification of commencement of operation of aus.acs.books
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:55:41 GMT




			   FOR INFORMATION
			NEWSGROUP AUS.ACS.BOOKS

The newsgroup aus.acs.books has been created for the activities of the
Australian Computer Journal in the publication of reviews of books in
the general area of Computing. It will also be used for the offering of books
for review, and the obtining of reviewers. A document has been published on
aus.acs.books explaining the working of the book review system in more detail.
Readers are invited to refer to it for further information, and of course to
read the reviews as they appear.

Dr. Chris Andrews
Associate Editor for Book Reviews
Australian Computer Journal

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From: brent@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Disco Inferno Brent)
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.acs,aus.news
Subject: creation of aus.acs.books
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:47:00 +1100
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: coffeeshop.socs.uts.edu.au

acjbooks@citr.uq.oz.au (ACJ Books (Chris)) writes:

 >			   FOR INFORMATION
 >			NEWSGROUP AUS.ACS.BOOKS
 >
 >The newsgroup aus.acs.books has been created...

Aus.acs.books sounds great to me BUT it would have been nice to
get a warning of impending creation. The title may have been 
inappropriate, the group may duplicate another or the group
name spelt backwards might even encourage teenagers to suicide.

                            Brent.

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"I'd like to be the kind of person   |   Brent Curtis
 who gets visited by Mozart four     |   School of CompSci
 hundred years after my death.       |   UTS
 That is serious celebrity."         |   New South Wales
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: khchung@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr KH Chung)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Summary: economic rationalists
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:38:18 GMT

In article <als.727407984@marloo.kowari.cpsg.com.au>, als@kowari.cpsg.com.au (Anthony Shipman) writes:
> adt@technix.oz.au (Andrew Tune) writes:
> 
> >2) Why is it better for someone to buy something from Australians and
> >bring benefit to Australia than to buy something from (say) Koreans
> >and bring benefit to Korea?  Aren't Koreans good people like us?
> >Don't they deserve good things like we do?  Regardless of whether (but
> >especially if) they can make better or cheaper products?
> 
> People have to eat.  They need jobs to eat.  If the people arena were as 
> fluid as the jobs arena then OK.  But it is hard for people to uproot and
> move to Korea or Singapore or wherever the jobs go.  
> 
> While we want and expect people to stay in this country it is reasonable 
> to take special measures to ensure that there are jobs for them here IMHO.

That is the biggest problem with the arguments put forward by the economic
rationalists (NOTE: EVERYTHING IS MY OPINION!!!  THEY ARE BACKED UP BY
FEWER FACTS THAN THE ECONOMISTS' VIEW!).  They seem to forget that the
geography of the employment ratio is important.  Tarriffs etc. may be
in-efficient in terms of GLOBAL employment, but locally, it may be
beneficial.
From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: REQ: Waltzing Matilda
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:24:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.23

In article <GUY.93Jan26133415@rocannon.harlqn.co.uk> guy@harlqn.co.uk (Guy Snape) writes:

>There are a couple of other good songs based on this...

>"And the band played Waltzing Matilda" by Eric Bogle, recorded by The
>Pogues (Rum Sodomy & The Lash I think..) among others, is a blackly
>comic account of the Battle of Gallipoli, from the viewpoint of an
>Aussie soldier.

Great song, highlighting the human cost of war... BTW, Gallipoli was a 
nine-month campaign with a number of separate battles.

I've _almost_ transcribed the lyrics, anyone able to assist with this?

--
Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.
From: mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Australian Products ?
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:39:08 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia

In article <1993Jan18.132129.28196@tpl68k0.tplrd.tpl.oz.au> derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang) writes:
>
>What about the cream of the loudspeaker industry here.  Duntech, Orpheus,
                                                         ^^^^^^^
>Richter, and Audiosound Laboratories.  Even if we didn't get these speakers

Duntech packed up and move to the USA, I beleive Salt Lake City. I owner/design
is an American.
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