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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman)
Subject: Re: + Anagrams
Organization: F. K. Dingy & Son
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:28:32 GMT

What's an anagram?  Is that like

	GRUB MARKINGS

or

	WOW, TELL WIN LIST

?

-:-
	"Hay, be seedy!  He-effigy, hate-shy jaky yellow man, oh
	 peek, you are rusty, you've edible, you ex-wise he!"

					--Harry Mathews
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From: schumach@duncan.utk.edu (Chris Schumacher)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: IBM Deep Blue
Followup-To: rec.games.chess
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:49:55
Organization: University of Tennessee, CS dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
In-reply-to: fhh@watson.ibm.com's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:37:20 GMT


How about some projections on when each stage of IBM Deep Blue will be
operational and playing in the public eye?
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:53:19 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <33882@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) writes:
> 
> A few questions, Mr. Cosgrove (if you don't mind).

No, I don't mind. But, as they draw the discussion AWAY from the thread,
instead of towards ghaving the GMs defend their attack on Fischer, it will be
ignored.

> 
> a) what do you believe Fischer's current playing strength to be?
> b) how about Spassky's?
> 
> c) if Kasparov played Fischer a 10 game match, what do you think the
> result would be?
> d) how about Kasparov-Spassky?
> 
> e) what are the names of the GMs who have offended you?
> f) did you actually read Joel's article?
> g) do you have a USCF rating?  (it's perfectly OK if you don't
> want to tell.
> 
> Please keep up the good work - GM Wilder personally commends you on 
> your forceful style and coherent presentations.

So?

> 
> -mark
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Indicted
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:59:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Dec16.095524.18560@husc3.harvard.edu>
fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:

> Officially, Fischer violated the International Emergency Economic
> Powers Act, invoked by Bush to impose sanctions on Yugoslavia.  It
> gives the president the power to block Americans from engaging in
> transactions with a foreign country.  The law has been used 22 since
                              ^^^^^^^
> 1987 to bring violators to trial.

Of course, one could argue that Fischer only engaged in transactions
with a citizen of that country -- and that might not necessarily be
illegal.

If we buy new 'Informants' does that mean we're breaking the law too? 
The Informants are published in Belgrade, you know.


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer to play Ljubojevic
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:08:51 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Who is Ljubojevic?  WHat is his ranking in the world of GM's?
With all of the facts coming out of the former Yugoslavia,
I really am beginning to resent the Fischer/Spassky match.
I am a Fischer fan, but I think he showed criminal behaviour
playing in that nation, against the sanction.

-Roger
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From: Teri A Meyers <tasst2+@pitt.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: E-mail etiquette Meyers-Dunne
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:04:11 GMT
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu


Thanks to all who responded to my query on e-mail etiquette re: typos.  Just
to clarify a point that some of you asked about, the e-mail game in question
was conducted with the USA Today system acting as an intermediary.  That is, 
I did not send my moves directly to Dunne, but rather entered them into the
system (where no changes were possible once a <cr> was hit).  The system 
kept track of the position and forwarded the moves and time used to my
opponent.  (There was no time trouble issue in this game; we each had many
extra days).  The thing is the TD was the only person who could correct the
system's record of the position, and he left the decision to Dunne.  I am
not necessarily saying the rules should be changed for typos, but when a
very obvious typo occurs, it seems a travesty to the game not to allow it
to be corrected.
Jerry Meyers
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: cliu@osf.org (Chauncy Liu)
Subject: Mchess Pro
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:29:02 GMT

I have 286 with 1M RAM (30M hard disc) 12MHz, Does anyone know the performance of MChess Pro on this machine, what is the rating going to be about on this machine.
-but
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: E-level Chess to enjoy
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:05:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham

In article <1921wwcp511@tweekco.uucp> 824-5054%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley #824 @5054) writes:
>To: Kenneth Sloan
> I was trying to follow Kiel,D-Sloan,D but I couldn't follow the moves...
>For example 3...Nf6  (Black already made that move at 2...Nf6).  Thereafter,
>I couldn't follow some of the other moves.  Could you repost corrected moves
>so I can follow your annotations?  Thanks...looks like an interesting E-level
>game along with your illustrative points!

Sorry - I'll post a definitive correction in a few hours - but until
then, I believe that the opening was:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6

E-level typing, I guess...

[calling all typo-correction requests! make the evening deadline!]


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:48:41 GMT

Mr. Cosgrove writes (inter alia):

"Sure, he violated a statute which is unjust in itself. That is as insane as
Khomeni saying Reshdee violated islamic law by writing his book while in
England and placing a bounty on Rishdee's head. When Iran does it, the world
laughs because the arabs are too uncivilized to see that their laws do nto
extend beyond their borders. When the US does it, you back them 100 percent."


Apart from the misspellings, Iranians are not Arabs.  But I'm sure we'll have
an argument that they are.

But, hey, I'm willing to concede that Mr. Cosgrove's legal expertise is as
convincing as his chess expertise and wind up this whole thread.  Then
everyone can have a Merry Christmas and wait for the Short-Timman match.

Well, have a Merry Christmas anyway!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Re: Another Short game (was Nigel Short)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:04:03 GMT

Mark A Zabel writes:
>What is Short using to defend 1.d4 these days?  I know
>he played a Budapest(?!?!?!) against Karpov, but lost
>horribly.  I can't remember any other Karpov White
>games.

Short also played the Dutch and the QGA against Karpov.  His
favorite response to d4 seems to be the Orthodox QGD.

Ed Hummel
From: CAPSA <capsa@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:49 PST
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoi
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec12.022441.15618@pasteur.b:-936270386:cdp:1451600063:000:429
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Dec 18 20:49:00 1992


Isn't anyone going to respond to racist lies about "black on black" killing?
Is it that all participants on this forum are European/United Statesian
racists?  Is it that those who aren't have given up?  Certainly, no one can
believe the lie that there were more persons killed in New York (City) than in
"Jugoslavia" during the second Fischer-Spassky match.  

Is this forum the moral equivalent of the USAT LINC?

Jerome Bibuld

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:16:26 GMT

In article 63374@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.011130.26210@penet.fi> an1595@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>
>>Should U.S. chessplayers
>>lobby outgoing President Bush
>>for an executive pardon???
>
>YES.  But judging by the tone of most of the postings I see on this
>      newsgroup, I'd guess that I'm decidedly in the minority.

Add one more to that minority.

Not only should Fischer be pardoned, the International Emergency
Economic Powers Act should be repealed as an unwarranted restriction on
free trade, freedom of speech, and freedom of association.

Having said that, I hope we all realize that any lobbying efforts have
a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding.

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
	Did William Faulkner have little creatures on his old typewriter?
	If so, they were the product of whiskey, which addles the brain less
	than cartoon creatures and menus and buttons that send messages to
	the screen demanding: "Abort? Quit? Try Again? Drop Dead? Exit? Go To
	Hell You Schnook?" - Mike Royko
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
From: dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach)
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:20:03
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: pauln@cbnewsi.cb.att.com's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.172653.15466@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> pauln@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (paul.h.nelson) writes:

   I don't know about UCSF membership, but the traffic in this newsgroup
   has increase significantly.  I'd say at least double, wouldn't you?

   Paul Nelson
   Bell Labs
   Naperville, IL

Well, perhaps, but you might wish to examine the coincidence that DMC
began posting recently.  Might be a correlation in there somewhere.

Joev
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Bratko-Kopec Test
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:23:26 GMT


If you will email me a prompt, I can check the original article.  I believe
that (a) two minutes is correct as you stated.  (b) there was a sliding
scale for ordering.  If the program chose the right move but had it ranked
second, it got something like 50%  for ranking it only third it got something
like 33%.  I will try to search out the specifics when I get back in my office.

more confusion:  there was a revised test that many took.  some of your
data might be based on the revised positions (for example, one was a
forced mate in 3 that everybody found..... the revised test canned that)


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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Subject: Dead drawn on ICS  Was: The Serbs are free to imprison or kill Fischer
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:51:42 GMT

Paul A. Lane writes
] In <1992Dec18.191801.7928@midway.uchicago.edu> greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg  
Kuperberg) writes:
] 
] >Obligatory chess question:  On ICS, if your flag is called but your
] >opponent has insufficient material to win, you draw.  This overlooks
] >theoretically possible positions in which both sides have pawns (plus
] >maybe even a bishop) but neither side can win.
] 
] Yes, but this is also true of over-the-board chess. One can lose a
] dead drawn position on time. Let's assume that the moment your flag
] falls, you get one and only one second to make each of your moves.
] My guess is that sooner or later you'd make a fatal error.
] 
] However, if there is not enough material on the board for you to be
] mated, it wouldn't matter how many errors you make.

Should we, maybe have an option to claim a draw by insufficient losing chances,  
just like in the new rules recently put out by USCF?

--
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From: jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: No Chess Heroes
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:11:45 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

"There are no heroes in chess."
 - 5-yr old chess player Cory Evans answering Jay Leno's question
   on NBC's The Tonight Show 12/15/92
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: How to make the USCF get things right.
From: nason@pa881a.inland.com
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:50:23 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: nason

In article <1992Dec14.153812.16434@starbase.trincoll.edu>, Russell L. Bryan <rbryan@Mail.trincoll.edu> writes:
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to get the USCF to realize that 
> they've got my first and last names reversed in their records?  I hadn't
> noticed until I checked out the rating list in this month's issue.  My
> assumption is that there is probably some heavy-duty paperwork involved
> (but I make that assumption about any large organization).
> 
> Also, just because I'm on the subject, I am aware that my rating is
> still provisional -- in fact, the last column had a mark which looked
> like /06 or something.  Does this mean that I am six matches AWAY from
> an official rating, or six matches TOWARD an official rating?  And how
> many matches must I play for my rating to become official?
> 
> Thanks.

I would give them a call at 914-562-8350.  They may be able to fix it over the
phone, hopefully.  I had TD once tell me to use my full name or I will have
trouble.  I joined the USCF as John M. Nason, however, when I go to tournaments
I put my name down as John Nason.  The TD told me to use John M. Nason or else
I will end up with two ratings.  So I know problems exist, thats why I would
encourage you to call rather than write.

Your provisional rating ends after 20 games.  The /06 means they have recorded
six games, you have 14 to go.  It looks to me like they lag two to three months
behind in updating the records.  Be patient, there are a great many tournaments
nation wide every week, even with computers, it takes a while.  

-- 
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Free advice is worth its cost.  
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: arc5@chempc0.york.ac.uk (Alastair Cargill)
Subject: SWISS PAIRING PROGRAMS FOR PC
Keywords: SWISS , computer
Organization: University of York, UK
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:23:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: chempc0.york.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hi

Does anyone know of any swiss pairing programs for the PC available as 
public domain. I have a demo copy of Swis-Sys which seems to be very well 
thought out but only handles 16 players and 4 rounds.

Cheers
Al
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding the issues!
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:23:12 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec14.150339.22133@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, simonich@croatia.eng.hou.compaq.com (Chris Simonich) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.140927.459@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>
>>can i possibly make it any clearer????????????
>>
> 
> Yes, you might try using just a few more question marks.
> 
> Come on, you people surely MUST have something more to
> do in life than continue this tiresome argument day
> after day....well, I take that back.  Maybe not....
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Christopher Simonich        simonich@twisto.compaq.com
> Compaq Computer Corp.       [713] 374-1898
> ------------------------------------------------------

But Chris, YOU helped continue it by posting.

DMC



Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen)
Subject: Re: Dennis Bakery
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:00:56 GMT

> Bruce Harper writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <18734@mindlink.bc.ca>
> Posted: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:38:2
>
> Org.  : MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
>
> I agree with worthless non-GM Ginsburg that I want Dennis Baker to come
> back.
> You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone...

Yes, together with Sven. What a team!!!!
Peter
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From: pauln@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (paul.h.nelson)
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:53 GMT

I don't know about UCSF membership, but the traffic in this newsgroup
has increase significantly.  I'd say at least double, wouldn't you?

Paul Nelson
Bell Labs
Naperville, IL
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Short Fans Take Heart! -Plus a Pub Serv Ann
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:11:12 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec9.154250.9329@chemeng.ed.ac.uk> steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk writes:
)Short (White, to play) won with the incredible manoeuvre 1. Kh2 Rc8? 
)2 Kg3 Rce8 3 Kf4 Bc8 4 Kg5 Bxd7 5 Kh6 1-0. Timman's reaction is not recorded!
)
)Steve

	Actually, I believe Timman resigned after 4. Kg5. Splendid finish,
either way.

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg)
Subject: The Serbs are free to imprison or kill Fischer
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:18:01 GMT

I was thinking this morning about Fischer's situation.  His problems
with the United States aside, he is in an extremely vulnerable
situation in Yugoslavia.  I assume that he just doesn't understand the
consequences of offending people, and just as with everyone else, he
will probably find some reason to condemn the Serbs.  In particular if
they don't pay him, then he will have a lot of frustration to work out
with them.  In fact, as long as he is a guest of the authorities,
getting paid has no clear meaning.  They decide how he lives and that's
that.

Since Fischer is wanted by the US, he could try to hide in Yugoslavia
as a recluse (it's his habit anyway).  If so, no one outside Yugoslavia
would expect to hear from him.  If the Serbs decide he is an
embarassment, they could put him under house arrest, or behind bars, or
even six feet under, and no one would know.  His only connection to the
outside world, besides the Serbian authorities, is his groupie.  What a
thread to dangle from.

I also hope for Spassky's sake that he has returned to France.  He has
a life and therefore is in less trouble, but shady characters owe him
money also, and that puts him at a certain risk.

BTW:  It's not true that more people died in New York this year
than were killed by the Serbs in Bosnia.

Obligatory chess question:  On ICS, if your flag is called but your
opponent has insufficient material to win, you draw.  This overlooks
theoretically possible positions in which both sides have pawns (plus
maybe even a bishop) but neither side can win.

Does there exist a chess position in which Black has enough material to
win (at least one pawn), and can lose, but can't win even with White's
cooperation?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gsandova@condor.dpi.udec.cl (Gustavo Sandoval T)
Subject: THANK'S FOR BULLETINS!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:17:16 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

 I 'm : gsandova@condor.dpi.udec.cl

 I need all games of USA champion.
      
                                 Thank's.
                                           
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:09:19 GMT

In article <1gtb8rINNbal@rave.larc.nasa.gov> azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips) writes:
>
>Don't forget that Sven sorta took over when Dennis Baker left last July. I 
>sure miss his postings. They sure were provoking (as in thought-provoking, 
>discussion-provoking, argument-provoking and ego-provoking!)
>
>

Mr. Baker's postings were also chess-related, something others could try
for a change ;^)
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