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From: cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us (Carolyn Stollen)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Rolfing -- has anyone tried it?
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:03:56 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <15459@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan
Peerson) writes:
>I'm interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who has 
>undergone structural integration, a.k.a. Rolfing.  Is it
>worth the expense?
>
>--Jan

Yes Jan, it is.  To help you believe that you can read a book by Ida Rolf
called Rolfing: an integration of human structures, or something like 
that.  Also a book by one of the Esalen teachers(old one) named Will Schutz
I forgot the title, might be Joy.  He wrote another excellent one, something
like Profound simplicity.

You can find out that Rolfing has been under intense study at UCLA
where they found out that it does profound and lasting things to a body.
You tend to be looser freer more even more economical of motion, and as you
can see you can get along without commas!  :)

My experience is that "it makes you younger" and that the results last.
I just wish I had gotten more tuneup sessions in the 20 years since my
original 10 sessions.  An average of one every 2 years is not quite enough.
Haha.  It may last but YOU dont stay static.  Life and its entropic
consequences continue.

Luck!  ...harmony

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Citizen of the World.
                            "All is my own Dream."         (TKR)
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From: wert@apple.com (scott comer)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Clothing
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:28:12 GMT
Organization: apple computer, inc.

>From: bafeinst@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brett Feinstein):
> Maybe some of you could explain something.  Many, if not all, of the
> massage books that I have read have said that a massage should be received
> nude.  Now most, if not all, of those books say nothing about massaging
> the genital and/or breast area.  My question then is, why is massage given
> nude, does it have to be given nude, am I supposed to massage the above
> areas?  I have not massaged those areas, and I'm reluctant to ask someone
> to strip for some spurious reason.  Can the more experienced of you out
> there shed any light on this?

>From: bab7855@sigma.tamu.edu (BOLING, BRYCE ALAN):
> In my experiences, clothing gets inn the way and prevents
> an effective massage.  Rough cloth and a firm massage can
> give people with sensitive skin a friction burn, which makes
> them uncomfortable instead of relaxed.  Pushing up or working 
> underneath a loose-fitting shirt is usually an acceptable
> compromise, but it does hinder the massage process.

plus, clothing makes the use of oil more difficult. another nice compromise
is a bathing suit or just underwear. bra straps can then be undone and
refastened as needed.

during a professional massage, the genital area and frontal chest are
considered too "stimulating", although the buttocks (with associated
large muscles attached from below and above) are prime target areas for
any good massage, as well as the outer hips.

>From: flowers@memstvx1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers):
> You don't massage these areas.  However, the clothing that covers these
> areas also covers other areas (like the back) that are massaged.  So, it's
> best for the receipient to wear no clothing.
> 
> That said, good use of a sheet and towel (called "draping") covers the
> genital areas at all times.  There's no need to uncover these areas to
> give a professional quality massage.  The sheet also serves to keep the
> rest of the body warm while you're working on the uncovered part.  And,
> finally, a person is more likely to relax if they have this cover.

true. whatever makes the receiver relax the most is the way to go.

of course, during a private massage you can massage whatever the two of
you agree upon. there are chest muscles that appreciate a nice massage,
and i'm told by satisfied customers that a breast massage is very nice
and relaxing.

scott out
From: molly@coos.dartmouth.edu (Revolver)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Skin-friendly oils?
Summary: Massage oils that are luxuriant to dry skin.
Keywords: oil, softening
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:57:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


	I am interested in finding massage oils that not only are fragrant
and facilitate the massage itself, but also leave the skin in a more
luxurious state than when I began.

	Essentially, something that produces roughly the effects of baby oil
when worked into the skin over the course of a long massage, but doesn't
smell quite so much like...pressed babies.

	Do natural oils such as coconut and the like produce this effect, or
do they simply leave the recipient sweet-smelling and relaxed?

Thank you.
 - Molly

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From: peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: What Rolfing is
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:54:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis


     Since I started this, it falls upon me to explain what
Rolfing is.  The following is extracted from literature I picked
up from two Rolfers in the area.  I am not speaking from personal
experience at all.

     Rolfing (also called Structural Integration) is a procedure
somewhere between massage and physical therapy which allegedly
balances and re-structures the body by organizing the connective
tissue network.  Although originally it was very painful, gentler
techniques have been developed (according to the literature I
have).  The results are supposed to be long-lasting.  The cost in
Sacramento is about $80 a session, and ten one-hour sessions are
required to get the full benefit, although the client is supposed
to feel better after each session.  (I received e-mail from a
woman who had a friend who went to one session and reported that
it was terrific but so intense that he didn't think he was ready
to continue.)

     Benefits can include reduction of aches and pains, improved
posture, higher energy level, easier movement, improved outlook
on life, and better emotional balance.

     Rolf practitioners are trained at the Rolf Institute, which
was founded by Dr. Ida Rolf in 1971.

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From: nlpearso@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Allyson Graham)
Subject: Re: Rolfing -- has anyone tried it?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:31:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.012256.18212@ncsu.edu> echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT) writes:
>In article <cstollen.5277@meltdown.chi.il.us> cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us (Carolyn Stollen) writes:
>>In article <15459@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan
>>Peerson) writes:
>>>I'm interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who has 
>>>undergone structural integration, a.k.a. Rolfing.  Is it
>>>worth the expense?
>>>
>>>--Jan
>>
>>Yes Jan, it is.  To help you believe that you can read a book by Ida Rolf
>
>>(edited)
>
>Could you tell us a little bit about Rolfing?  I'm just too
>darned relaxed to go find the book!  :-)  :-)
>
>What do the initial and tune-up sessions involve?  Does
>the treatment involve life-style changes, as well?  (eg.
>diet, exercise, and so forth)  I've heard about Rolfing
>and I'm curious.  How does it compare to chiropractic
>treatments?  How much does it cost?
>
>Thanks in advance.

Okay, I'll bite.  I, for one, have never heard of 'rolfing'.  Just 
what is it?

Thanks much, Allyson
nlpearson@descartes

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From: javery@bnr.ca (Joel Avery)
Subject: Back to that migraine thread
Reply-To: javery@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:39:35 GMT

Well, last night I got another of my (luckily rare) migraines.  I had
pretty much figured out that my migraines were exercise induced, and were
caused by getting up, heading to the gym for some pickup basketball, hitting
the shower, and then off to work - all this before nine AM.  No wonder my
head hurt.  Anyways, my head changed for the better when I slept in, and 
didn't exercise.

From reading about massage techniques for migraines in this great newsgroup, 
I realized that there was nothing I could rub to avert the headache when I 
started to have my vision problem, which signals "45 minutes to migraine".
And, since I was in a bar after my baseball game, and didn't think it safe
to drive with "holes" in my vision, I drink a beer.  When the migraine
arrived, it was MUCH less powerful than usual.  

So, being an armchair doctor, I had a thought.  Alcohol dilates blood vessels
(that's why we shouldn't drink in the cold (ya, tell that to us Canadians)),
and, since migraines are (essentially) constriction of blood vessels in the
head? brain?, did they cancel each other out?  Maybe this is why man has always
drank beer after sporting events.

So, my life now can consist of sleeping in, avoiding exercise, and if I do
have to exercise, I have to drink beer afterwords.  Just kidding.

I'd like throw this theory out on the porch, and see if the dog licks it up.
Anyone on the net have an opinion?  Of course, everyone on the net has an 
opinion, but an relatively learned opinion on this?


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From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Clothing
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:16:57 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov


Unless the subject of your massage is someone with whom you already have
an intimate relationship and who is comfortable with the idea, it is not
expected or advisable to massage the genital or nipple areas.  George
Downing's book does give a nonerogeneous technique for circling the entire
breast over the underlying muscle tissue, but I wouldn`t advise this unless
you have already established a great amount of mutual trust and have prior
consent.


In general, for a Swedish/Esalen oil-based massage the fewer clothes the
easier it is to do a full body massage.  Unless your subject is TOTALLY
comfortable with full nudity, maintain modesty via draping.  There are
a number of draping techniques - top-sheet draping, diaper draping, ...
It also helps to be accommodating to the comfort level of the person
your massaging.  If they feel more comfortable keeping underpants on,
work around them.  This means switching to pressure/jostling techniques over
the glutius muscles and extreme lower back rather than oil-based sliding
strokes.  It also helps to discuss these things before hand, so that the
receiver knows what to expect and that they have options.
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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: chimps@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Jen Schacher)
Subject: Help for sore backs
Reply-To: chimps@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:41:41 GMT

I read several complaints of back problems from sitting at a computer
all day. I get the same thing. Yesterday, I was tired of having achy
muscles, and rememered something a masseuse (sp?) once told me. She
said to take two tennis balls and place lay on the floor with one on
either side of the spine. Putting the balls in a sock or stocking helps 
keep them in place. You can roll the balls to wherever you need them, 
and it really helps relax the muscles. You can also use this technique
sitting against a wall with the balls between your back and the wall.
I tried it yesterday with those funny _Goosebumps_ massage balls, and
my back is much happier now! I hope this helps some of you!

Jen Schacher 
chimps@binah.cc.brandeis.edu or st891477@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
From: awhj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Tom Fredericks)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Rolfing -- has anyone tried it?dir
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:02:17 EDT
Distribution: na,world
Organization: Cornell University


About ten years ago, I went through three sessions of Rolfing (the full
series is ten sessions.)  I enjoyed it, noticed results, but didn't complete
the series mainly because of financial reasons.  At the time, it was $65/hr
with a Rolfer in Woodstock, NY.  During the first session, I got photos
taken of my posture, both front-on and a side view.  If I had finished, 
"after" photos would have been taken for comparison.  As for effects, I do
remember walking out of there after one of the sessions and my experience
of walking was different than it had ever been.  This was after the session
when she worked on my calves and feet.  Something about the alignment of my
lower legs and feet had changed - it felt good.  I also remember when she
worked my rib cage, loosening the fascia around the muscles between my
ribs.  Afterward my chest felt less restrictive when I inhaled a big breath.
It was also kind of funny because I had these red lines across my chest from
my skin being stretched during the process.

    The idea of Rolfing is to deeply work the fascia, or sinewy casing which
encircles your muscles, and in the process, release stored tension.  The
end result is supposed to be a body which is realigned and which falls back
into place the way it was before unexpressed emotion was stored in the body
in the form of physical tension.  According to the Rolfing literature I read
at the time, many subjects experience unexpressed emotion from the past
emerging during the Rolfing process.  I didn't experience this myself 
although at the time I was involved in other activites that had that sort of
effect, so a lot of the more available "old business" had already been 
released.

   I know several people who have been Rolfed the full ten sessions, and 
a couple of them mentioned that the results were not permanent and that the
tuneup sessions were necessary to maintain the benefits.
   Someday if I get rich, I'd like to give it another try,

    Well, that's probably enough from someone who has only done three sessions.
Perhaps someone who has done the whole series can speak with a little more
experience for backup.

- Tom Fredericks
From: peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Rolfing -- has anyone tried it?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:41:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

I'm interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who has 
undergone structural integration, a.k.a. Rolfing.  Is it
worth the expense?

--Jan
From: ghosty@terapin.com (Noah Hanna)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Electric massagers
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:50:36 PST
Organization: BBS

Well, Ive been  to a store that had a large supply of electric massagers and my
favorite was a chair that had rollers in the back whos rollers will roll up and
down and push in--><-- in one place and even had a vibrating foot massage,
veeeeerrry nice, but if you stay in it too long the other people that are
waiting for it will get mad at you, plus after awhile it may do more bad than
good...

  __     .  .     
 /_-host (/\)riter
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT)
Subject: Re: Rolfing -- has anyone tried it?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:22:56 GMT

In article <cstollen.5277@meltdown.chi.il.us> cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us (Carolyn Stollen) writes:
>In article <15459@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan
>Peerson) writes:
>>I'm interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who has 
>>undergone structural integration, a.k.a. Rolfing.  Is it
>>worth the expense?
>>
>>--Jan
>
>Yes Jan, it is.  To help you believe that you can read a book by Ida Rolf

>(edited)

Could you tell us a little bit about Rolfing?  I'm just too
darned relaxed to go find the book!  :-)  :-)

What do the initial and tune-up sessions involve?  Does
the treatment involve life-style changes, as well?  (eg.
diet, exercise, and so forth)  I've heard about Rolfing
and I'm curious.  How does it compare to chiropractic
treatments?  How much does it cost?

Thanks in advance.

>
>.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us
>Citizen of the World.
>                            "All is my own Dream."         (TKR)
>.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tell me yours. . . . . . . . . . . 


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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: jac@IASTATE.EDU (Julia A Campbell)
Subject: wrinkles
Reply-To: jac@IASTATE.EDU (Julia A Campbell)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:36:34 GMT


does stroking or rubbing any area of your body encourage wrinkling?

jac@iastate.edu
From: cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us (Carolyn Stollen)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Back to that migraine thread
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:41:15 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS


>the subject says it all.

things I have found to help

deep chuaka on shoulder-traps
yes alcohol
icepak on nape
sugar!!
decongestant (go to your chinese herb store and get the plant
   that has ephedrine, call it Ma Huang == Chinese ephedra.
   Do not settle for American.)

..use email to talk to ME.  I can afford the phone bills, NOT!
..Harmony

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cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us
Citizen of the World.
                            "All is my own Dream."         (TKR)
.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tell me yours. . . . . . . . . . .
From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Electric massagers
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:25:33 GMT
Organization: Telerama

My.thought on electric massagers is that for serious
make-me-feel-better-after-a-stressful-day massage, I prefer real hands
and oil.

I find that vibrating massagers help my muscles to relax a little bit,
but mostly just make me drowsy. So much for the alleged sexual
benefits of the vibrating beds you find in cheesy motels!

--Kristen
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Back to that migraine thread
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:49:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.183935.20209@bmerh85.bnr.ca> javery@bnr.ca (Joel Avery) writes:

>I'd like throw this theory out on the porch, and see if the dog licks it up.

Here in East Tennessee, we "see if thet dawg will hunt."
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T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: gseidman@umbc4.umbc.edu (Jack of Shadows)
Subject: Re: Is oil necessary?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:13:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.212416.24107@speedy.aero.org> thurmond@helios.aero.org (Rick Thurmond) writes:
>I have found that in the massages I give (feet, hands, and backs mostly)
>it is not necessary to use any oil, although virtually all the massage
<etc. deleted to avoid repetition>

I have given massages both with and without oil. Every time I have given
an uninterrupted massage it has relaxed the subject to or above my
hopes. I find, however that I enjoy giving a massage much more when I am
*not* using oil. I also find that while using oil is more likely to put
the subject to sleep, the muscles actually relax more quickly and
comfortably without oil.

From the receiving end, I feel very uncomfortable with oil rubbed into
my skin. This is in part because I have naturally oily skin, but also
because I feel the need to wash it off afterwards, and to be careful not
to get it on anything, rather than just comfortably drowsing off and
sleeping for several hours before going on with life.

I know the overwhelming opinion is that oils are better and/or a
necessity, but until I experience a real benefit in oils (I haven't
sworn off, mind you), I'll stick with hands-to-skin with nothing in
between.

--Greg a.k.a. (on IRC) ShadowJac

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From: ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz)
Subject: PLEASE help Craig Shergold beat Saddam Hussein...!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:18:04 GMT
Organization: Wild Bill's Flop House, Rodeo, and Swinger's Club
Followup-To: scheier_mike@tandem.com 


Well, it seems that Ram-bush is about to launch the premiere of:

	DESERT STORM II:  Electric Boogaloo
 coming soon to a Middle Eastern country near you!!

What can *you* do to help?  First, you should IMMEDIATELY send e-mail
to Mike Scheier, wishing him a happy 24th birthday (the 26th), and
ask him 1) what's he going to do now that he's getting so OLD, 2) why
did it take him so many years to get out of college, and 3) has he heard
any good hick/redneck jokes lately.

Mail your birthday greetings to Shy-Shy at:

	scheier_mike@tandem.com

And stay tuned for further bulletins on the imminent release of
DESERT STORM II: Stormin' Norman Returns!

-Eric

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From: davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Dave Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.cascade
Subject: Re: Please Feed the Spooks
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:01:21 GMT


 (John L. Scott) writes:
 >(Ron HALL) wrote:
 >>(Dr. Martin Paisley) creates:
 >>> (Tom Manos) communicates:
 >>>> (Stuart Finkelstein) gyrates:
 >>>>
 >>>>>>>>>>> Er, please excuse my ignorance, but what are "cascades"?
 >>>>>>>>>> hmmm...I too am lost, has anyone seen my shades ?
 >>>>>>>>> uh, this is weird, do you think it will fade?
 >>>>>>>> Has anybody here seen my old friend Darth Vader?
 >>>>>>> AARRGGH  I've cascaded and I can't get up!
 >>>>>>FLARGH I've abraded and I can't get op!
 >> WHAM BAM! I've just done the horizontal BOP!
 > AH HELL!  This thing just won't STOP!

Oh well... Those thongs must not slip!

-Dave
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