HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Directories, set-guid?
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:46:39 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>What does a mode set-guid mean for a directory? I notice that our Sun
>has most system directories, like /etc, set to mode 's' for group.  The
>man pages say this is possible but is ignored.

Any SunOS 4.x man page that says that is incorrect.

A not-necessarily-obvious man page that *doesn't* say that is OPEN(2V):

     O_CREAT        If the file exists, this flag has no  effect.
                    Otherwise, the file is created, and the owner
                    ID of the file is set to the  effective  user
                    ID  of the process.  The group ID of the file
                    is set to either:

                    o  the effective group ID of the process,  if
                       the  filesystem  was  not mounted with the
                       BSD  file-creation  semantics  flag   (see
                       mount(2V))  and  the  set-gid  bit  of the
                       parent directory is clear, or

                    o  the group ID of the directory in which the
                       file is created.

Other manual pages describing calls that create files should say much
the same thing - i.e., that if the set-GID bit is set on a directory,
creation of files in that directory follows 4.2andupBSD semantics for
the group ID of the newly-created file, not "traditional UNIX"
semantics.

You can, of course, get 4.2andupBSD semantics *without* that bit being
set, if you mount with the "grpid" option.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: dejesus@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: AudioTool weirdness
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:58:07 GMT

I have the following strange problem on a Sparc 2 running 4.1.2 and OW3:

From a commandtool/xterm window, I get the following:

	prompt% which audiotool
	/usr/openwin/bin/audiotool
	prompt% audiotool
	dlopen: stub interception failed
	Abort
	prompt%

Now, what's interesting is that I *can* run the AudioTool if I call if from
my openwindows menu (the entry in the openwin-menu file points to the same
file that the command line fails to execute). What's really strange is that
I can do this:

	prompt% rsh localhost /usr/openwin/bin/audiotool

And that works! So, any ideas? Not really a "pressing" problem, but I'm
curious to know what could be causing this...

Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: simpson@minotaur.sdd.trw.com (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Information on SS-2 and SS-10 differences?
Organization: TRW Arcadia Project, Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:03:36 GMT

In article <MONTNARO.92Dec17103326@spyder.crd.ge.com> montanaro@ausable.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro) writes:
>As machines get smaller and smaller, and the number of interfaces they must
>support gets larger and larger, it's looking more like the back of a
>computer should just have one massive DB-style connector with something like
>1000-2000 pins. Customers could just order the appropriate "break-out" cable

The problem with this is now you cannot unplug things individually.
Suppose you want to replace the monitor. You have to unplug the disk
drives too. Won't work.
-- 
Scott Simpson, Investment Technology Group, iac!simpson@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: bloeser@tron.kom.tuwien.ac.at (Friedrich Bloeser)
Subject: Re: Sun Net Manager 2.0 is it available/shipping??
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:27:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.215536.5574@mcs.anl.gov> korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) writes:
>Does anyone know if this application is in fact shipping? I have seen many  
>people on the net comment about it and I have read many items in the trade  
>rags about it but our Sun salesthing says it is not yet ready.
>
>Help... My application awaits SNM 2.0
>
>--
>	Peter A. Korp
>	Assistant Scientist
>	Argonne National Laboratory
>	korp@eid.anl.gov

I have installed SNM 2.0 in October, the files are dated June 19.
Check with Sun again, it is ready!
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Communications Group                     Fax:   (+43 1) 587 42 11          
Computer Center                                                    
Technical University Vienna, Austria     e-mail: bloeser@edvz.tuwien.ac.at
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SCCS and binary files
Keywords: SCCS
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:14:03 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>That is files containing that have other than printable and whitespace
>characters or are missing a terminating newline are encoded (I believe
>uuencoded).

Yes, they're uuencoded.

Be aware that this is a Sunism (stuck in, as I remember, to allow binary
font files to be included in the SCCS tree for SunOS releases), and that
other UNIX systems' SCCS may not support it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: sja@world.std.com (Stuart J Adams)
Subject: Looking for Motif for Sun 3
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:14:19 GMT

I am looking to buy a copy of Motif for my Sun 3. Can anyone
recommend a reasonably cheap source ???


Thanks,
Stuart Adams
sja@world.std.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: Bug in sendmail causes message loss
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:36:06 GMT

In <1992Dec14.011335.5744@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:

>The bug I am about to describe could be a generic sendmail bug, but I do not
>have the time or the inclination to find out...
>[...]
>"| /usr/local/bin/procmail"
>then you have problems.

Yes, sendmail treats this as an e-mail address, and removed duplicates.

Quoting from the procmail distribution:

     make sure it is invoked when your  mail  arrives.   In  this
     case  your  $HOME/.forward (beware, it has to be world read-
     able) file should contain (include  the  single  and  double
     quotes, must be an absolute path):

     "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #YOUR_LOGIN_NAME"

And:

        Some mailers 'optimise' maildelivery and take out duplicates from
        Cc:, Bcc: and alias lists before delivery.  If two or more persons on
        such a list would have identical .forward files, then the mailer will
        eliminate all but one.  Adding a '#' with your login name following
        it will make the .forward files unique, and will ensure that the mailer
        does optimise away some addresses.

-- 
-Gary Mills-         -Networking Group-          -U of M Computer Services-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi)
Subject: Re: SCCS and binary files
Keywords: SCCS
Organization: a2i network
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 20:54:02 GMT

In <BzC2EG.Bq1@me.utoronto.ca> mitu@me.utoronto.ca (Adrian Mitu) posts
this inquiry to a bogus "comp" distribution:

>Can SCCS handle binary delta versioning? If not can someone reccomend
>a version-control system that does?

The current RCS, in conjunction with the current GNU diff, can treat
binary files as text files, and look for the next newline character to
terminate the current "line", which can be an arbitrary block of binary
data.  Since linefeeds are randomly present in binary files, this
typically results in some efficiency, provided your binary data are
well-behaved and changes are localized to a few places.
-- 
Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@rahul.net>
also:  dhesi@cirrus.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: maloney@cs.hope.edu (Permanent Waves)
Subject: Uses for old CD-ROM's
Reply-To: maloney@cs.hope.edu
Organization: Hope College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:27:00 GMT

Well, the most obvious is a frisbee, and a pretty darn good one at that, although the disc has a tendency to
fly in a loop pattern... - / | \ - ad gravitum...

Another would be for jewelry... carefully throw the CD at the ground (hard wood, cement or brick floor preferrably) with tremendous force. Please avert your eyes when doing this, as it gets pretty messy. Next, get out a broom, and sweep up the pieces. You may need to do this several times to get small enough chunks. Next, go over to Franks Nursery and Crafts (or your favorite craft shoppe) and purchase either earring pieces (pierced or clip-on) or a pin backing and attach to the CD shards. For pierced earr


ings, you should drill a small hole into the shard near the top. For a pin, just superglue the pin backing onto the back of the shard. You can also glue the shardlings (those shards that aren't big enough) to the pin or earrings for a nice effect.

A third way to use old CD's would be for Christmas Tree ornaments. Take two CD's and glue them together, label sides facing each other. Drill a hole approx a half inch from the radius of the CDs. Glue a picture (rounded) on both sides, and glue whatever you wish to the outside. Voilla! You have a CD ornament!

A fourth way would be to make a clock like those found at Radio Shack. You can find the mechanisms at Franks Nursery and Crafts.

These ideas can also be incorporated into fun things to do with your kids on a rainy day. However, you may not wish to do the jewelry as the pieces are EXTREMELY SHARP!!!

I am providing these as ideas. I assume no responsibility for enacting on any of these ideas. If any of them work, however, please let me know!!!

Craig Maloney
<maloney@cs.hope.edu>



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From: khb@chiba.Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman fpgoup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.org.sug
Subject: Re: NSE findings
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:54:16
Organization: SunPro
NNTP-Posting-Host: chiba
In-reply-to: greg@thirdi.uucp's message of 11 Dec 92 01:55:15 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.015515.4587@thirdi.uucp> greg@thirdi.uucp (Greg Holmberg) writes:

   Here are a few more you might want to try:
....

Also SPARCworks/Teamware from SunPro. Your local SMCC sales folks
ought to have literature soon (the press announcement already has
occured). 

   The most obvious difference between these products is in their
   philosophy.  TeamNet and ClearCase go for "transparency", that is they
   let you work from your shell pretty much as you always have, with
   makefiles.  They do this by implementing their own Unix file system
   (read: you have to rebuild your kernel).  This is an attempt to

Having done this sort of thing in the past (NSE) we chose not to do
that this time ;> Using Teamware is a lot like using SCCS; but extra
functionality is added (but nothing taken away, we merrily have folks
using both on the same project).

I am not an expert in Teamware; however I can arrange to pass follows
to those who are.

cheers


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: hughm@brwal.inmos.co.uk (Hugh McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Directories, set-guid?
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:05:32 GMT

In article <15915@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
|> >What does a mode set-guid mean for a directory? I notice that our Sun
|> >has most system directories, like /etc, set to mode 's' for group.  The
|> >man pages say this is possible but is ignored.
|>
|> Any SunOS 4.x man page that says that is incorrect.

What the man page for chmod actually seems to say is that you can only change
this bit in symbolic, not absolute mode, ie:

    chmod 2755 directory       <--- 2000 bit ignored
    chmod g+s  directory       <--- OK,  not ignored

[under Absolute Modes ...]

     2000    Set group ID on execution (this bit  is  ignored  if
             the  file  is  a directory; it may be set or cleared
             only using symbolic mode).

[again under Symbolic Modes ...]

          s       Set owner or group ID. This is only useful with
                  u or g.  Also, the set group ID bit of a direc-
                  tory may only be modified with `+' or `-'.


Hugh McIntyre.
INMOS, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x
From: Jim Flanagan <flanagan@amath.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: 101 Ways to Use an Old CD-ROM
Reply-To: flanagan@stat.washington.edu
Organization: Society for Creative Access to Materials
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:19:54 GMT

smarks@trantor.Eng.Sun.COM (Stuart Marks) writes:
: Go to a room with a microwave oven, place the CD-ROM in the oven on an
: upside-down paper cup, turn out the lights, and cook the CD for about 10-15
: seconds.  

  [Deletia]

: N.B. The CD will most likely be unreadable after this treatment.

  In addition to any warranty on your microwave being voided.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: rchrd@netcom.com (Richard Friedman)
Subject: read/write Mac floppies on Sparc1?
Organization: Applied Parallel Rsrch (Berkeley)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:18:02 GMT

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I havnt
been able to find anything..

Is there anything around that I can run on my
Sparc1 that will allow me to read/write Mac 800k
floppies thru the floppy drive on the sparc?

I have a feeling there must be something out on
the ftp archives somewhere.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: quayle@switch.rockwell.com
Subject: Re: New SPARCcenter?
Reply-To: quayle@switch.rockwell.com
Organization: Switching Systems Division - Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:38:12 GMT

In article <BzDs10.DEI@qualis.com>, mikeh@qualis.com (Michael T. Horne) writes:
|> 
|> I just read about the SPARCcenter line of multiprocessor servers in
|> the December issue of Sun Expert ("Meanwhile, Over at the Mainframe...",
|> page 6).  Two questions:
|> 
|> 	1.) Are they real?  If so, are they shipping the two-processor
|> 	    "low end" model today?  If not, when?

?

|> 	2) Are the SPECint92 numbers quoted in the article (4199 in 
|> 	   four processor version, 7389 in the 8 processor version)
|> 	   for real?  Is it safe to assume that the 2 processor version
|> 	   comes in at ~2400 SPECInt92?  These numbers seem way too
|> 	   high (perhaps off by an order of magnitude?).
|> 
...

From the November, 1992 Technical White Paper:

SPARCcenter and SPARCserver Performance Brief

Configuration               SPECrate_int92
------------------------------------------
SC2000 8way                      8047
SC2000 4way                      4539
SC2000 2way                      2326
SS600MP-140 4way                 1847
SS10-M41 1way                    1263
Sclassic Server 1way             4539
SNI MX500-90/2 12way             4870
HP 890/400 4way                  4301
HP 890/200 2way                  2253
HP 897S 1way                     1857
IBM 6000-980 1way                1404
IBM 6000-970 1way                1117
SGI Crimson R4K 1way             1383
DECsystem 5900 1way               648


For specifics, please refer to the above-mentioned white paper.  I think the
SC2000 is due out in February.

Bill

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sources
From: riyer@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (Rajappa Iyer)
Subject: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Organization: CMIE, Bombay
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:51:27 GMT

I am a fairly recent reader of this group -- but even in the short time
that I have been reading it, I find it increasingly hard to ignore the
fact that Sun seems to be fucking its customers over. The new LX series
are a case in point. Sun users cannot plonk for the new machines no
matter *how* attractive the pricing for the simple reason that they
have already invested in apps for SunOS 4.1.x. My organization is also
one of the few "victims." It's all very well for Sun/Solaris proponents
to say "Oh but you can *still* buy old machines and run SunOS 4.1.x on
it." That's precisely the kind of trap I wished to avoid when I switched
to Sun. I want to be able to run the same apps on newer and faster machines.

Isn't anybody at Sun doing their homework right?

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			rs@cmie.ernet.in (Preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: paul@gta.com (Paul Emerson)
Subject: Re: SUN IPC as standalone
Organization: Global Technology Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:09:49 GMT


From article <e3hC02mE2eu401@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, by esm40@cd.amdahl.com (Ed McGettigan):
> I was thinking about getting a SUN IPC(or a 1+) for use at home and wanted
> to run it pretty much as I do at work for developing some new X-applications.
> I planned on doing data transfers with a modem or simply on 3.5" floppy.
>
> After talking to some people here at work they are under the impression that I> need some sort of a server as well (another $4000-$5000).  What's the deal?
> I'm sure that other people are running X11R4 (tvtwm window manager)on a IPC at> home with less than 1gig disk.  If you can help I'd appreciate it.
>
How do you expect to run a system at home if you don't understand how the
thing works in the first place?  Hell you can run a SLC stand alone if you
add a properly configured disk drive.


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From: ken@Bridge.COM (Ken Hardy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: SunOS 3.5 for Sun 3/? wanted
Summary: repeat
Keywords: Sun 3, SunOS 3.5
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:02:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Planet Earth

I know someone looking for a copy of (I hope I have these numbers
right) SunOS 3.5 for a Sun 3/110.  It seems that the vendor for one of
the packages which they rely heavily upon went out of business before
upgrading the product for SunOS 4.*.
 
If you have the tapes for this available, contact me and I'll get you
in touch with the party in need.  Thanks.
 
Or, if you can handle bang-net addressing, reply directly to:
 
        uunet!mds1!heitman  or  mds1!heitman@bridge.com
 
Elsewise, reply to me:

Ken Hardy
ken@bridge.com  (racerx!ken)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Bug in sendmail causes message loss
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:13:35 GMT

The bug I am about to describe could be a generic sendmail bug, but I do not
have the time or the inclination to find out...

Under SunOS 4.1.1, if two users have identical .forward files and mail is
sent to both of them (from another machine is how I've done it) then the mail
only goes to one of them. This would be fine if the .forward contained a
fowarding address, but when it contains a command, eg.
"| /usr/local/bin/procmail"
then you have problems.

Of course it is possible to get around the by giving the command parameters. eg.
"| /usr/local/bin/procmail /home/parry/.procmailrc"
but it would have been nice to know this several weeks ago before a lot of
my mail got lost because some impared software thinks that running the same
command does the same thing for different users.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: rthau@qualix.com (Rick Thau)
Subject: Re: Mice(non-optical) for SPARCs?
Reply-To: rthau@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:47:07 GMT

The mechanical Logitech mice are available from our company, very econmomically.
see below for contact information.


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		1900 S. Norfolk St., #224
		San Mateo, CA 94403
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versions of products.  If you would like more information on
the mailserver, send an email to qfacts@qualix.com (or,
uunet!qualix!qfacts).  The email body should take the following
form:
	BEGIN
	send help 
	send index
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: wist@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Wist Bundy)
Subject: Sun SCSI-2 drivers needed 
Keywords: SCSI
Organization: GE M&DSO - VF
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:11:31 GMT

I am looking for some driver routines for a SCSI-2 interface; pref.
in ANSI C (although SUN K&R C is ok) running SunOS4.1.2.  If the 
source code is not available, just the routines to read and
write information would be great.

In particular, we will be using a Pioneer DC702 Erasable Optical
Disk Drive and need to send and receive info only (this machine is 
a jukebox and control of the disks is done through an RS232).  We
need to send and receive data (pref in blocks of 512K) as if it 
were just another disk dirve, but have been stuck at the driver
routine.  Please email.

Thanks in advance.


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From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sources
Subject: Re: Automated FTP?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:41:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Dec11.194130.14879
Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech

In article <1992Dec8.220145.5713@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>
morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) writes:

> Does anyone have, or know of, a utility that allows FTP to run
> non-interactively (ie: read it's commands from a file).  I'd like to be
> able to use 'at' to queue up an FTP transfer to happen after normal work
> hours.  Simply placing FTP commands in a file and redirecting the file
> into the FTP program doesn't work (at least I haven't had any success so
> far).

Elegant solutions that require making extra software that have appeared
here notwithstanding, it's handy to know that if you don't need 
anything more complex than just getting a particular file,

echo "open $REMOTEHOST\
user $ACCT $PASS\
binary\
cd $REMOTEDIR\
get $REMOTEFILE $LOCALFILE\
quit" | $FTPCOMMAND

will work just fine.

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