From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: continuation on Cyprus, rabbies, antipalikaritis
Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:36:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com writes (?):

   Mr. baysan personal attacts are not the way to handle
   paliks; especially this king of the paliks.  He is suffering 
                                                ^^
   from the rabies and as always in the delirious state to utter 
   those things.  The only panacea is to give the facts
   straight without getting personnal with any palik who
   claims the ethnic cleansing done by Turks in the island.
          ^^^                  ^^^^
   For example, you can remind them that tomorrow (December 21) is 
   the 28 anniversary of the bloody Xmas.  The day that more than 200 
   Turkish Cypriots were mutulated by these peace loving and
                         ^^^^^^^^^
   equality conscious Greek Cypriots' fathers/grandfathers
   in 1964.  The day that 103 Turkish villages were ransaked and
                                      ^^^^^^^^
   wiped out by the EOKA from the Cyprus map.  Their
   tactics 28 years later are copied by the Serbs in Bosnia.
   
   They may tell those stories to someone who is young enough
   to belive.  People like me who is old enough to see the horror 
      ^^^^^^                  ^^^^^^^^^^
   of 1964 massacres from the pictures on the newspapers
   will just laugh to those ethnic cleansing claims by
                   ^^
   Greeks.  Yes, there was an ethnic cleansing attemmpts in
                           ^^                  ^^^^^^^^^
   Cyprus.  Not once but twice by the Greeks.  At the first one, mother
   Turkiye had to watch like today she is watching the Bosnian
   killing fields.  The second one was in 1974 and Turkiye showed
   what was capable of doing to those paliks who thought she
        ^^^
   would watch again. I had many friends and family members who fought this
   war.  Their story was quite different from those phonies
   who claim the ethnic cleansing here.  After the news
             ^^^                               
   broken that Turkish army was landed at the North, most
   ^^^^^^
   of the towns were autamatically evacuated by the Greeks while 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Turks were moving to South.  Greeks left their breakfast tables
   and move to south by whatever means.  Many soldier freinds
       ^^^^                                           ^^^^^^^
   of mine said that the towns were empty and the main
   streets were jammed by the abondon cars to block the
                              ^^^^^^^
   Turkish army move.  Some of those cars were still running.  There was 
   no cleansing to speak about by Turks for 200000 refugees.  
                         ^^^^^
   Easy came easy went after sucking the blood of the Turkish
   Cypriots even denying them to built houses or other
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   establishment on their very own land.  The local authorities were so 
   scared like any guilty mind that imagines the possibilty to be asked
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
   their accountability in that island's mess have left their houses 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   and abandon all their possessions.  So left the rest of
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   the town as mass histeria.  Some who stayed behind wanted to go 
                    ^^^^^^^^^
   back to south and exchanged with the Turks in the south later.
                     ^^^^^^^^^
   This is how one can arrive to this 200,000 refugees from the
                                 ^^^^   
   North.  These phonies are trying to make up stories like ethnic 
   cleansing without looking their own shameful past in the island.  
   The majority of these 200000 even did not see any Turkish
   soldier before start running but have enough imagination to make up 
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   stories,   When some of them will learn that the war is an 
   uncontrollable event once it starts.
   In the heat of the moment, soldiers commit attrocities in every war;
   especially after seen the other side's attrocities.  Although some of 
   the paliks were escaping to south in 1974, they
   could not help but committed dispicable attrocities on the Turkish
                      ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
   villages on their way.  So, there is no exception to any country's or 
   nation's army as far as sporadic war attrocities are concerned in 
   their past wars.  I will not claim here that all Turkish solders have 
         ^^^^^^^^^^
   acted as exampilar soldiers in this war although I have no doubt 99% of
            ^^^^^^^^^
   them had properly fullfiled their duties as human beings.  Comparing 
   Turkish soldiers to today's Serbian savages is just a palik smear.
   However the joke is on them.  The total GC casualty is about couple 
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
   of thousand (around 5-6) while there were about 2,000 Turkish casulties.
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
   Greeks claim that there are 1615 missing people.  But they convinietly
                                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^
   forget 5-6 days that Sampson were doing a job on Makarios supportors.
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
   I am sure a couple of EOKA hudlums (say around 50 or so) who were never
   panished because of their crimes in 1964 and other incidents were sought
   ^^^^^^^^
   by Turkish army quitely with the help of Turkish Cypriots.  They must 
   ^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^^^^
   have been fed the hungry Mediterenian sharks deservedly as serving the
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   overly due justice.  Of course, the Turkish goverment will never agree
   ^^^^^^^^^^
   openly on just what I said above for obvious reasons.  So, I will buy 
   those stories that Greeks had one or two pictures showing the
   Turkish soldiers rounded up a couple of GC who were nver
                                                       ^^^^
   turn up again.  But making 1615 people dissappear cannot 
   be comprehended by any norm in one week or so.  I think
   the only people accountable for the majority of these
            ^^^^^^
   people is Sampson himself.  He knows those people's whereabouts.
   
   Like Israel never agrees Arafat's reperesentation of Palasteninas, 
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   Greeks are trying to smear Denktas always to get away with their own 
   crimes.  The problem that Greeks has is their confusion with
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^
   Denktas' position with Arafat's.  He has the upper hand in this 
   negotiation based on the recent history of Cyprus.  There is no 
   equitable solutiun to everybodies satisfaction in Cyprus after all 
             ^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^
   those years when the Turkish Cypriots always forced to draw the short 
   ended stick.  Greeks cannot get whatever they had before.  This a fact.
   Now, the turn of picking the short stick is Greeks' for the all these 
   past time's sake as a result of their violent and unjust ventures 
   in the island.  Denktas says that Turkish side is willing to pay 
   the left over property after the calculation of how much Turkish
   property left behind.  However, he says that they have to
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   give the chance to Turkish side's economy to recover.
   
   Asking the third parties mediation..  I consider this is
   another joke.  We all know what the third party mediation
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^
   means for Bosnians, Macedonians, Armenians, azeris, etc. etc.  
   
   C. Akgun


I trust that the plethora of spelling, grammar, syntactic, and, more
important, factual and conceptual errors is due to 'anti-palik-aritis'
and not due to other, more common, ailments such as anti-greek-rabies.

If anti-greek-rabies is diagnosed, please make sure to have Genkiz
treated as he will undoubtedly pose grave danger to any Greek or Greek
Cypriot he comes in Ascii contact with. The treatment involves a set
of (painful) injections of Arxid-o-plasm, a vaccine developed at the
Serdar Arxid Medical Institute. The vaccine can be administered in the
Hasan B-) Mutlu Memorial Hospital(s) for the Terminally Paranoid. They
are located in Chicago, Ill, Ann Arbor, MI, and Minneapolis, Mn.

Anti-palik-aritis is, to the best of our knowledge, uncurable.

PS: Sorry for the sarcastic tone but if I had replied to your message
seriously it would have been even worse. I apologise for writing such
a mean message but there just isn't a better way to convey to you that
you're wrong. If it were, I would have used it. (SHOCK THERAPY WORKS)).

Dr. ISpitroskiye Triantasipaopoulos
--
(I actually worked in a hospital in Greece, lots of fun folks...)