HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Lane width (was Bike Paths)
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:35:54 GMT
Reply-To: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA

LANE WIDTH AND SAFE RIDING POSITION

In article <01010064.mgpird@titipu.resun.com> ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid) writes:
>
>If [cars] stay at one edge [of a lane], then they start making two 
>lanes out of one....  In fact, this is why 14-foot lanes are 
>recommended but not 16-foot lanes.  

Books on street riding (such as John Allen's excellent "Street Smarts")
differentiate between:

a) narrow lanes (not enough width to laneshare with a car)
b) wide lanes  (sufficient width to laneshare), and
c) extra-wide lanes (wide enough that cars can double-lane)

The safest position for a thru cyclist in an extra-wide lane is just 
where you would be if it were an "ordinary" wide lane.  Riding near 
the shoulder invites right-turn cutoffs.  

VARYING-WIDTH LANES

If the lane width varies and the shoulder stripe follows the variation, 
you'll end up weaving in and out of visibility, which is much less safe 
than steering a straight line.  (That's also why you shouldn't weave to 
the right in spaces between parked cars).  

Since shoulder stripes follow the (varying) width, traffic engineers 
sometimes do the same thing with bike lanes, which is wrong.  The bike
lane should parallel the center stripe, not the shoulder.

LANESHARING STUDY?

I have heard of a (Caltrans?  FHWA??) study that showed that at 15-foot 
width, a lanesharing cyclist had almost no effect on motor vehicle 
capacity of the lane, at 14 there was some, at 13 more, and at 12 even 
more.  As I recall (possibly incorrectly), the study quantified the 
lanesharing effect in terms of "equivalent number of added cars" 
represented by the motorists slowing to avoid the cyclist.  Does anyone 
have a pointer to this study?

OTHER

> The motorist will move to the left side of the lane upon observing a 
> bicyclist on the right.  The fact that the motorist will use the center 
> of the lane at other times is not a problem for bicyclists unless the 
> motor traffic is moving more slowly than the bicyclists.  

Agreed.

>Even then, there is generally plenty of space for bicyclists to pass 
>on the right.

Avoid passing on the right -- you're asking to be cut off!  One thing
that makes the "rules of the road" work is that they reduce the amount
of processing any vehicle operator has to do, by defining "expected" 
places for vehicles to be for a given motion.  This is what makes wrong-way
riding so dangerous.  Likewise, overtaking on the right is not an "expected
motion", for bicycles or cars.  

Pass on the left, or exercise *extreme* caution when making an exception.

-- 
John Ciccarelli           Adobe Systems,  1585 Charleston |    _~C      __C
jciccare@mv.us.adobe.com  Mountain View CA USA 94039-7900 |  ='\<,    ='\<,
uunet!adobe!jciccare      415/962-6677,  fax:415/903-0584 | (&)/(\)  (&)/(\)
=== "If you live within 7 miles of your job, why drive?" === BIKE TO WORK ==
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:10:00 GMT
Summary: Those don't count.

schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder) writes:
> >> Joshua_Putnam writes:
> >> ...
> >> interesting, and somewhat amusing, to compare bicycles with other
> >> injury-related consumer products.  The following are estimated
> >> numbers of injuries in the U.S. in 1989, as prepared by the
> >> National Safety Council from Consumer Product Safety Commission
> >> data.
> >>
> >> Injuries  Product category
> >>
> >> 1,450,421 Stairs, ramps, landings, floors
> >>   514,738 Bicycles & accessories
> >>   [etc.]
>
> The two most obvious omissions are automobiles and guns.  Anyone have
> any data as to where they would sit on this list?
> 

Maybe motor vehicles and guns are not defined as consumer products.
Maybe they are defined as "necessities".  ;->

Gary Madine

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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Searching for a cycling activity in bay area!
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:30:42 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <18V902xn31zD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> sze40@cards.ccc.amdahl.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>
>I wonder if there are any clubs for bicycling activities in 
>the bay area! Also, I would like to know if there is a newsgroup
>specifically for the bay area about cycling activities.

Your best bet for info on rides, clubs, etc, is _California
Bicyclist_ magazine.  This is available for free at nearly
any bike shop.  It has a fairly extensive ride calendar and
club listing in each issue.

>Thank you,
>
>Suzan
>
>sze40@ras.amdahl.com
>--
>guess@whoKnows.com


--
Mark Chandler              Novell, Inc.         510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com     Walnut Creek, CA     AOL: Crosswords
===============================================================
   The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: hammond@grizzly.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Hammond)
Subject: Re: On nicities of bicycling.
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:33:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.180400.23415@ncar.ucar.edu>, ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
> I'm going to rearrange this article a bit:
> 
> In article <uf9eu3g@zola.esd.sgi.com>, dps@delhi.esd.sgi.com (D.P. Suresh) writes:
>  
            [ some good stuff deleted ]

> > I would prefer to take some general advice, if any, on
> > 
> > 	* Getting back home at night.
> 
> Get lights and use them.  The easiest thing to do is get the Cateye Halogen
> headlight and Cateye taillight -- they cost about $12 each -- and plenty
> of batteries.  They don't provide a lot of illumination, but they will
> enable you to be seen.  A headlight alone is sufficient in the eyes of the
> law, but I don't ride without a taillight as well.
> 
> Ilana (who commuted by bike today, too)
> 
> -- 
> /\    "I'm only a human girl person.  I ain't always perfect."--Rambling Rose
>   \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
>       \______________________________________________________________________

Let me also add that if you are going to be riding at night that you
purchase a flame orange vest with reflective strips on it.  There are
some made specifically for cyclists and hang down lower in the back
so that when you are bent over the handlebars a little they don't
ride up your back.  I have one and it works great.  Also, I have
reflective straps that wrap around my ankles for further visibility.
None of these restrict your riding and greatly enhance a car driver's
ability to see you.

   Steve H.  (sorry, didn't commute today but will tomorrow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: teemu@krkmoon.krk.fi (Teemu Hakala)
Subject: Re: On nicities of bicycling.
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)
	<1993Jan9.005800.25830@adobe.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:24:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.005800.25830@adobe.com> jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli) writes:
   I don't think D.P. hates riding per se.  I work just around the corner 
   from him, and can testify that it was rainy, fairly cold, and of course 
   dark that evening.  Most local folks I know got into bike commuting 
   during the dry, warm, and daylight that prevail 8 months a year around 
   here (SF Bay Area).  So I'd like to congratulate D.P. for *starting* 
   in what's arguably the toughest season.  I'm sure we experienced 
   commuters can quickly help him up the learning curve regarding street 
   maneuvers, clothing and equipment -- that's what's great about the net.

 I think biking is 'the only' way to do almost any commuting. I managed to
persuade one of my friends to get himself a bike and he just started to go
to school (we are both in an evening school here nearby) with it. I think
it is crazy, because we have so-called-winter here. Normally it would of
course be icy and abt. 10in snow (not sure about that being used to SI system)
and about -20 - 0 C (from dead ice to 32F) 'warm'. No hype here, just plain
madness, I don't like any getting sick.


--
Teemu Hakala     |     E-Mail to :     | 'So, there is no need to do any
Kasavuorentie 9B | teemu@krksun.krk.fi |  homework, mom, if there is no school'
02700 Kauniainen | Teemu.Hakala@krk.fi |   -- Calvin
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:52:18 GMT
Subject: Re: "Dog Accident"
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc

>The basics of the accident: coming around a corner at ~28mph, I
>saw a woman jogging towards me in the traffic lane (there is no
>shoulder on that side of the road, just a jogging path on the
>other side).  She was leading two terriers on leashes, and moved them
>off to the edge of the road as I passed at the center line.  Just
>before I reached her, one of the dogs was startled by a car
>engine starting.  The woman lost her grip on the middle of the
>leash, letting the dog yank it to its full length of over 10
>feet.  The dog ended up less than a foot in front of my wheel,
>and followed me left as I tried to dodge it.  I ended up hitting
>it amidships, about the bottom of the ribcage.
[....]

Someone mentioned this as an unfortunate accident that was nobody's
fault.  However, I disagree.  I would think that a dog's owner
would, by law, have to keep the animal under control at all times.
I think this would fall under the same law that holds the owner
responsible for the animal's actions in attack type situations.
Dogs and Pedestrians (yes, a runner is a ped) are not allowed on
certain roads and in some cases if there is a ped. path or
sidewalk, they must use it.  

I think the orginal poster may want to look into this.  It sounds
like he has suffered a great deal because of a careless pet owner..

Just my opinion,

John K.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: new year's resolutions
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:27:04 GMT

David Wuertele (dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp) writes:

> Mine's to gain 15 pounds everywhere else.  I wonder if gaining muscle
> weight has any better relative effect on hill climbing than loosing
> non-muscle weight?

It might be a moot point, since very often gaining muscle mass occurs at
the expense of fat mass. With a proper weight training program you might
well find yourself becoming much stronger without changing weight at all.
Win/win.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:36:02 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: How old is your Peaugeot?

Blue, Red, White/ frames could be the U0-8 model, an OK-college bike when a
rack and fenders are mounted to it. Yes, the good one is the PX-10E, which was
built with the Reynolds 531 double butted tubing.  The way to tell, if it
hasn't been repainted is the green Reynolds 531 sticker on the main down
tube, just below the seat and the sticker on the forks in a triangle shape
that says built with Reynolds 531.  Yes, the PX10E were usually white.
I think the 531s are more for the collector, a new Miyata or Diamondback,
Specialized, Trek will out perform the old bikes of the 70's, unless you
get a hold of a new Bob Jackson or equliv.
                                                  -tom
From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Whatcha get for Christmas?
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:04:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania


Well, much to my surprise I didn't get those cool purple SS-5 brake levers,
or a new set of brakes, or a new hub to replace my wobbly Ringle, ...

Ah, now I see the problem.  There were too many choises.

I remedied this by hitting the phone to Performance for much needed rain
wear (especially if it stays this warm in Philadelphia), fenders, gloves,
jersey, shorts, stuff, stuff, stuff.

The Purple Puddle Eater
Jack Vinson			vinson@unagi.cis.upenn.edu     
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From: wcf@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Bike Club Survey:Again
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:06:33 -0500

A couple of weeks ago, I posted the following request in R.Bicycles.Soc, and
have received few replies. Because I posted the request over the Christmas
Holiday, I'm repeating the request and posting it over R.B.Misc and R.B.Rides.
Thanks, WCF
            
>			Bike Club mini-Survey
>
>How does your Bike Club:
>	Rate club rides?  i.e. A, B, C, what do the ratings represent, 
>		do ratings consider rider ability or ride difficulty.
>
>	Allow for differences in rider ability?  i.e. do slower (generally
>		newer) riders get dropped, does someone ride sweep, etc.
>
>	Attract new members and KEEP them.
>
>How would you rate YOUR club and what makes it successful.
			************
I'll collect responses and post a summary. Please post the responses or 
Email them to me.

					Thanks, Chris

-- 
+===========================================================================+
	Chris Fooshee - University of Florida - CFREC - Apopka
			WCF@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
+===========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Accident injuries by age group, USA 1990
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:45:34 GMT

In the various helmet, cycling speed, bike path, and traffic 
technique threads, the question has been raised several times what 
portion of cycling injuries are among adult cyclists as compared to 
children.  I happened across the following numbers while reading 
one of my Christmas presents, and thought I'd share it with 
everyone.  

This comes from the 1992 Statistical Abstract, No. 1016, 
"Police-Reported Traffic Crashes, by Age Group: 1990"

Pedacyclists injured or killed

Age     Number
<15     31,000
15-19   14,000
20-24   10,000
25-44   17,000
older    5,000

Total   77,000


This is from the NHTSA, "based on probability sample of 
police-reported crashes."  This would tend to under-report cyclist 
injuries, I suspect.  There were no police at my latest crash, for 
example, though I suppose the aid crew may be included since they 
were called via 911. 

Let's be careful out there.
-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
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From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Dilemma
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:36:20 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.soc, pershng@watson.ibm.com (John A. Pershing Jr.) writes:
>In about a third of the cases, I also succeeded in recruiting the
>cyclist into joining our bicycling club

What did the other two-thirds do, punch you in the stomach?

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: kasdorf@alpha.uleth.ca (Matthew Kasdorf)
Subject: How old is your Peaugeot?
Summary: Peaugeot owner of 20 years wants info on this make of bike.
Keywords: Peaugeot bycycle
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date:  8 Jan 93 04:15:04 GMT

Oops!  Think I spelled it wrong!  I own a Peugeot 10 speed that is at
least 20 years old....known as a 'super light weight'.  I really enjoy
riding and maintaining this machine.  Would like some info about Peugeot
bikes and their maintenance.....history, etc.

-- Mark Swanson on a friend's account.
From: goodman@cats.ucsc.edu (Ron C Goodman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Bike paths (yeah paths! - warning: rambling comments)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:04:51 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan5.103842.12476@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
>. . .  Sidewalks don't have
>to be smooth.  They don't have to avoid sharp blind turns.  Cracks,
>bumps, dips, gaps, drains, ... are not problems on sidewalks.  They
>are a major problem on bike paths.  We should make the city engineers
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ride on some of these things they build.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That idea isn't as far fetched as it sounds.  We've done something kind
of like that here with officials (but on streets not paths).  But don't
MAKE them.  Tell them that to improve bicycle relations/conditions and
even for their own fun, that one morning (perhaps a weekend even) they
might want to ride as part of an event organized by your local advocacy
(or even recreational) group.  Make sure the ride covers the city's/county's
nasty spots.

-Ron
It is a very effective way to show them what the problems are.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo / Object Technology International
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:23:56 GMT
X-Bytes: 666

In article <1702500021@igc.apc.org> Bicycle Federation of America <bfa@igc.apc.org> writes:

 >The Consumer Product Safety Commission data are based on a sample of hospital
 >emergency rooms AND are further restricted to those products (activities?)
 >that come under the purview of the CPSC (motor vehicles and guns do not; 
 >bicycles do).  With regard to the "bed" related injuries, most are due (I seem
 >to recall) to people _falling_ out of beds. Actually, I suspect that in one
 >way or another, most of the injuries reported are in association with a fall
 >of some kind.

Do they list Gravity?

--
ato de, |m        -- spice is the irony of life!   thks mm
From: goodman@cats.ucsc.edu (Ron C Goodman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Directory of US/Canadian Bicycle Advocacy Groups
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


I am composing a directory of bicycle advocacy groups in the US and Canada.
My database presently has 120 or so groups and I am preparing a mailing to
these groups to collect certain information.  I am asking for information that
I personally want, but I'd like to get input from about other information 
that might be useful.  The current list of information I am asking a group
to supply/check for accuracy is:

Nature of group (bike advocacy, environmental, recreation group with some
   advocacy component, ...)
Primary region covered (local, state, nat'l, intnat'l)
Group name
Primary mailing address
Email address
Phone numbers
Fax number
Contact person
Name of publication
Editor of publication
Membership costs (individuals, family, lifetime)
Main accomplishments
Emphasis of advocacy (list of 9 different areas)

... and I'm still debating whether to include a question about whether or
not "your" group has a position on helmet laws, and if so, what it is.

If you have other ideas for questions, want to make sure your group is
included, or want a copy of the directory, email me at:

      goodman@cats.ucsc.edu

Thanks in advance for your comments,
   Ron Goodman
   People Power
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Consumer product injury rates
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:23:04 GMT

As a follow-up to the age-group breakdown of reported cyclist 
injuries & deaths I posted earlier, I thought it might be 
interesting, and somewhat amusing, to compare bicycles with other 
injury-related consumer products.  The following are estimated 
numbers of injuries in the U.S. in 1989, as prepared by the 
National Safety Council from Consumer Product Safety Commission 
data.  

Injuries  Product category

1,450,421 Stairs, ramps, landings, floors
  514,738 Bicycles & accessories
  335,038 Cutlery & knives, unpowered
  302,190 Beds, mattresses, pillows
  131,551 Ladders, stools
  106,792 Mopeds, minibikes, ATVs
   65,819 Skateboards
   71,074 Power home workshop saws
   34,949 Television sets
   32,670 Paper, cardboard, plastic

Of course, none of this says anything about severity of injuries,
rate of use of the product, etc., so it's mostly just of trivial
interest.

-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
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From: plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Searching for a cycling activity in bay area!
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:08:53 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: porter.geo.brown.edu

In article <18V902xn31zD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> sze40@cards.ccc.amdahl.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:
>I wonder if there are any clubs for bicycling activities in 
>the bay area!

  Well, the Narragansett Bay area features the Narragansett Bay Wheelmen, and
the Boston Bay area has many bicycle organizations, including the Charles River
Wheelmen.  Also, the Green Bay area has a bicycle club (it sponsors the
annual Door County Century), but I forgot the name of it.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
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