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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Desis on TV (was Re: MCI commercials)
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
	<1992Oct7.233504.15517@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
	<1992Oct8.013742.25248@cs.cornell.edu>
	<1992Oct9.144141.29263@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:45:39 GMT


In article <1992Oct9.144141.29263@news2.cis.umn.edu> shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad (Gregerson)) writes:

   In article <1992Oct8.013742.25248@cs.cornell.edu> soam@cs.cornell.edu (Soam Acharya) writes:
   >
   >Dreaming of the day we'll get someone vaguely Indian looking on 
   >"Star Trek, The Next Generation".....
   >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
   >   Soam Acharya					soam@ee.cornell.edu

   In one of the early early early episodes (the ones in which all of the 
   characters were smiling all of the time), there was someone in engineering
   (where else?-:) called Ens. Singh or Lt. Singh or something.  I think he
   may have give up the ghost, courtesy of some alien force, as is wont to
   happen with any character not listed in the opening playbill.

He died in the only episode he ever appeared in. Also it was Lt. Singh. The
only other time I can remeber that anything Indian was on ST:TNG was when Data
created an offspring and named him "lal" as in "mere lal" not as in the colour
"lal".

   And don't forget Ricardo Montalban as the infamous Khan N. Singh.  I always
   forget his middle name.  They said it once on the original series and it
   sounded something like Nan.  That's it, Khan Bread Singh, or was it
   Cornbread Singh?

   Shiv

Anyone out there know Khan's full name???


just curious.



increase the peace

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From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Moving this newsgroup to soc.culture hierarchy
Organization: -
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:37:17 GMT

This thread is a follow-up to suggestions by Satyen, Alok and Mehul:

Alok:

> At some stage we should be thinking about becoming a soc. group, 
> I don't know when it will be six months since the last (renaming) 
> vote was held, but it should be coming up pretty soon. 

The results of the last vote was announced sometime in May (Anybody
knows the exact date?). The CFV probably can be sent out as early as 
December 1, if not sooner. It is probably a good idea to avoid December,
January to conduct the poll, holiday season, school closing, etc.

> Any other volunteers ? We need a group of people this time.
> I am not going to be a part of it (Fortunately or unfortunately :-)
> Venkatraman Raghavan, Purna, Mary Anne (Amirthi), Manish Vij, Tapesh etc.
> may do better ...

Please include Ron Hira to that list, or to any list about this newsgroup.

Other names come to my mind are Shiv Prasad, Saeed Jaffrey, Bharathi
Jagadeesh, Vasantha Kandaswamy ... 

For starters, how about the team of Purna, Ron, Satyen, and Mehul
with any interested volunteers contacting them.

Regards,
Raghavan
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From: mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: looking for attention?? (was Re: Are IAs close-minded ?)
Organization: Dept. of Wizardry, Univ. of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:49:44 GMT

In article <samaddar.718654431@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:
>
>>This 'long hair' thing always amazes me. 
>>I used to think that people who grow/shape their hair in certain way are
>>doing that to get some attention from their peers. Mainly because this
>>reasoning fits irrespective of the culture and gender of the person.
>>But then I realized that many of them really choose it as a 'convinience'.
>>Those who grow them grow them beacause it saves on haircut money and those
>>who cut them short do it because short hair are easy to take care of.
>
>You are being very charitable. Your original thinking was closer to
>truth. If you believe that "convenience" and saving money are the reasons,
>then check out their clothes and shoes. I don't mind kids trying to get
>attention/appreciation by peers, adults also do that. But why not try
>getting this attention by becoming athletic, good in studies, arts, etc,
>instead of gimmicks like long hair, ear-rings, etc.
>
>Sumitro

howdy!

it may not be convenience OR looking for attention, you know.  it is
possible that some people just look better with long hair!  without
long hair, some people may look like Ross Perot or Sinead O'Connor!

as for the ear-rings....i have BOTH my ears pierced, as do my father
and grandfather before me.  originally, i got one pierced in college
on a bet (yes, we HAD been drinking).  anyway, i told my folks and
my father asked "only one?  go get the other one pierced also.  it's
bad luck to only have one pierced!".  before i got it done, many
people i knew tried "peer-pressure" to get me to NOT to get my ear
pierced.  go figure.

finally, "gimmicks like long hair?"  hmmm....maybe.  however, no
more so than wearing contact lenses, getting plastic surgery,
or wearing make-up!  aren't these all, in some sense, gimmicks
to get attention (though, not in all cases)?

peace,
-purna
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: duck!  i said, DUCK!! :)
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:09:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct7.153354.16535@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna) writes:
> dive, Dive, DIVE!!
> 
> <jump>  <duck>  <crawl>  *WHEW*!
> 
> finally, made it behind these bushes!  wow, with all of the firepower
> of a "battle of the sexes" going on, i was sure i was watching the
> Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas trials again :) :)

My boss calls me - "How is it going ?"
My wife writes me - "I hope you are busy with work" :)
So here I go, go, go ...

Alok
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Subject: Re: Is the term "desi" appropriate?
Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program
	<POPAT.92Oct5092659@image.mit.edu> <1992Oct7.080532.24261@ncsu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:30:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.080532.24261@ncsu.edu> hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE) writes:
>In article <POPAT.92Oct5092659@image.mit.edu> popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Oct4.165509.15344@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>
>>> In article <POPAT.92Oct2153338@image.mit.edu>, popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat) writes:
>>> |> 
>>> |> How about Bharatiya?  Sounds much better to me (and makes more sense)
>>> |> than desi.
>>> |> 
>>> 
>>> Too many syllables. Desi is simple and good enuf.
>>
>>Well, "desi" makes no sense at all (particularly if it is to be used
>>by non-Indians).
>>
>>Kris Popat
>>MIT Rm. E15-391  Cambridge, MA  02139
>
>oh, and bharatiya makes a lot of sense, if it is used by a non-Indian??
>
>-harsh

It certainly makes more sense than "desi."  Plus I think it sounds a
lot better.  Weeds out the wanna be's who can't muster "bh".

Kris Popat
MIT Rm. E15-391  Cambridge, MA  02139
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From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: knowing who is right for you......
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:40:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.213435.27136@athena.mit.edu> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
> To date the opposite/incompatible implies that you already know what is
> similar/compatible. 
>
> There are two ways to know who is right for you:
>   - sample everyone
>   - know yourself

I have deleted the rest of the article, 'cos I agree with most of its
contents (how can one deny the love aspect of dating?). I think, you
have one preconceived notion that is setting the differences between
us: "You have to date the right people and you should somehow know who
is right. If not, try several times." I will not make this assumption
on the first or the minus 1th date. For one thing, if I've closed my
mind to novelty and progress, and always hung to what I believed in,
then it is bound to change. And when it does, I wouldn't know what to
do because I am unprepared. That is, for instance, if I dated the most
compatible person, as per everyone including me and her, for a long
time--long enough to get married--and then discovered one day that
this lusty lady of love has this occassional habit of getting up at 3
a.m. in the morning and start shaving her head because she wants to
write some poems and thinks her creativity multiplies under no-hair
conditions, and also she wants to smoke a cigar because she hopes to
see abstract imagery in the cigar smoke--good for poem writing--then I
wouldn't know what to do other than reaching for my share of razors
and cigars, before my lusty lady devours them.


Cheers,

Murthy
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From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Subject: Re: Is the term "desi" appropriate?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 16:29:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Kris says:

|> >>> |> How about Bharatiya?  Sounds much better to me (and makes more sense)
|> >>> |> than desi.

For someone who doesn't know this word and supports the term desi, what
is the exact meaning of Bharatiya?  Is it Hindi?  Another language?  I'm
pretty good at Urdu, but I've never come across this word.

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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: IA Women List (since you asked...:-)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.194405.14558@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
> 
> Top 10 Reasons to Date/Marry IA Women
> 
> 10.  We're all exotically beautiful (really.  don't you believe me?)
             ^^^
No we don't believe you :)

> 9.   We have no opinions and will be guided by your wisdom.
> 
But we like independent women :)

> 8.   Indian cooking (actually, yes)
> 
Just rice and sambher ?

> 6.   We don't speak to other men.  We don't look at other men.
> We don't even think about other men.
> 
Too shy! How do you expect to work and pay half of the mortgage ?

> 5.   We can't drive. (You don't need to buy us cars, you always know
> where we are).

So you mean we have to drive you around all the time ! Why don't you marry
a professional chauffeur :)
> 
> 4.   We're hard-working.  (We cook, clean, bear and raise children,
> and manage to give wonderful dinners every weekend to impress your
> boss and business partners).

Got to do something after all. How else would you pass your time and
keep your self-worth ?

I mean you don't drive, you don't want to work outside the home,
so what else would you do but to cook, clean and play hostess ?

Don't want to raise children ? Don't have them !

> 3.   We spend hours watching Indian movies on your VCR (and don't
> interfere with your night life).
> 
What a night life writing thesis so that the mortgage can be paid,
you can be fed and jewelled, kids can go to college and they don't
have to work to pay their college tutions :)

> 2.   We won't ever tell you how much we hate football, cricket, etc...

Who cares ?

> 
> 1.   It'll make your mother happy.

Provided you listen to her :-)
> 
> *****
> 
>  - Amirthi

Alok
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mgundeko@ad-6.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: To marry (Indian) or not?
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.181856.1828@athena.mit.edu> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
> if you know that the date is incompatible/opposite
> you just waste your time. Neither you become happier, nor your date is
> happier. Yes, it is possible that your date will be happy if you just say
> Honesty is the best policy in dating and elsewhere. But then, it depends 
> on why you date, and what your life is all about. 

First, I will date an intelligent and romantic chimp, even if it were
to have freshly run away from Africa or the science labs, when I am
lonely, horny, and don't have anything better to do.

Second, let us not argue whether dating is about achieving happiness,
as much as it is not just about attaining orgasm. Nor one through the
other. 

The point being made in my article was unless you dated your opposite,
how would you know who is right for you? Hearsay? Instinct? Sixth
sense?  Arrangement? Astrology? You wouldn't know if a gal with shaven
head like Shenade is your type, unless you dated her, especially if
you always thought human hair springs from the intelligence residing
in the brain. Even if you were to discard the hair part, there is a
whole lot of Shenade minus hair (on the head) you will miss, if you
were to think all she ever does is to seek publicity. Whatever your
reason is, a person's true beauty lies below the skin, and possibly be
discovered on the bed when it is all dark, and dating without
preconceived notions or presumptions is one way to meet interesting
people. As for rolling stone gathers no moss, that is casual dating, I
think the fun stops after marriage, so why stop dating if the
objective is to have fun? 


Murthy





Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad (Gregerson))
Subject: Desis on TV (was Re: MCI commercials)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:41:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.013742.25248@cs.cornell.edu> soam@cs.cornell.edu (Soam Acharya) writes:
>
>Dreaming of the day we'll get someone vaguely Indian looking on 
>"Star Trek, The Next Generation".....
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Soam Acharya					soam@ee.cornell.edu

In one of the early early early episodes (the ones in which all of the 
characters were smiling all of the time), there was someone in engineering
(where else?-:) called Ens. Singh or Lt. Singh or something.  I think he
may have give up the ghost, courtesy of some alien force, as is wont to
happen with any character not listed in the opening playbill.

And don't forget Ricardo Montalban as the infamous Khan N. Singh.  I always
forget his middle name.  They said it once on the original series and it
sounded something like Nan.  That's it, Khan Bread Singh, or was it
Cornbread Singh?

Shiv

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: abhandar@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anil Bhandari)
Subject: Re: Long hair and closemindedness (A small correction)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:37:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.194355.23510@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>
>BTW, Manish, you mentioned Sikhs grow 'kesh' as a sign of virility.
>No they do not grow it as a sign of virility but as part of a tradition.
>Guru Nanak, the founding father of Sikhism started this tradition of 
>growing hairs while he was exiled in the forest. Clearly he had no means 
>to cut his hairs in the forest in those times. He was exiled for speaking 
>up against Hindu orthodoxy.
>
>Incidentally he also kept a knife, a comb, a sword and a bracelet. 
>Thus started the tradition in Sikhism of keeping these items and growing 
>hairs after the founder of the religion.
>
>Alok
>
>

Alok as far as I know the 5 K's were given by Guru Gobind Singh and not
by Guru Nanak. The 5 K's
		Kesh , Kanga, Kachha, Kripan, Kada were meant to give the
sikhs an identity as a group(khalsa) or the "pure ". On a deeper level
it was to symbolize the sikhs to be both the warrior and a saint.
From there comes the kesh(long hair.. just like the rishis and munis of
ancient india) . The kanga is to keep the hair clean and groomed the 
kaccha symbolizes control over self (various emotions desires etc which both
a saint and a warrior must have in control) . The kripan is to protect 
 oneself and the weak. The kada is the identity of the group.
Please let me know if they had other meanings, I would be interested.

Ps. I really liked your article  in which you had discussed the pro's and 
con's of marrying an indian girl compared to an IA girl giving the example
 of your wife. My feelings are the same but I feel you were very lucky 
to marry a woman with the sort of qualities as you have described your wife
 to be . 

				BULL1 on irc ..(some one stole my nick:)
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From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Mock Elections
Organization: -
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:57:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:

>      Everybody who hasn't voted already please send him your vote - 
>even if you're not a registered US voter - so we get a better idea of 
>how many people actually read this group. 
>
>Satyen

 I think I am getting caught sleeping here. I didn't know Ron was 
collecting votes in the form of mock elections. Ron, please post your
e-mail address. I can't find it in the articles available at this site.

Raghavan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mba2@Jane.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Subject: Re: Parsi faith (was Re: To Marry (Indian) or Not?)
Reply-To: mba2@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:36:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.172320.42075@watson.ibm.com>, saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
>Preeti, correct me if I'm wrong -- do Parsis follow Zoroastrianism or something
>related to this faith?  Am I confusing two minority religions within desi
>culture?

Not Preeti but FYI.  Parsis are Zorastrians.  Two of my very good
friends are Parsis.  I believe Parsis are centered in and around bombay.
I'm not sure, but I believe Mr. Tata of Tata industries in India is a
Parsi/Zorastrian also.

VCD,  Puneet (D-Poon) 
 
              {:-()  EveryOne's Entitled to your Opinion  ()-:}
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From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Long hair and closemindedness (Was looking for attention?)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:24:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.194355.23510@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>BTW, Manish, you mentioned Sikhs grow 'kesh' as a sign of virility.
>No they do not grow it as a sign of virility but as part of a tradition.
>Guru Nanak, the founding father of Sikhism started this tradition of 
>growing hairs while he was exiled in the forest. Clearly he had no means 
>to cut his hairs in the forest in those times. He was exiled for speaking 
>up against Hindu orthodoxy.

I doubt that one could be exiled to the forest for any length of time and not
find a way to cut one's hair.  Without a crude knife, you could not eat
either.

The kesh and the other four ka's are both practical and symbolic in setting
the Sikhs apart from orthodox Hindus, true.

>Incidentally he also kept a knife, a comb, a sword and a bracelet. 
>Thus started the tradition in Sikhism of keeping these items and growing 
>hairs after the founder of the religion.

Kesh, kanga, kachha, kara, kirpaan.  (No sword.)
hair  comb   shorts  bracelet  dagger

>One may consider growing hair as a form of protest against religious
>orthodoxy. 
>
>Hippies in USA grew hair as form of protest against religious orthodoxy
>as well, the only difference is that in this case the protest was against
>Christian orthodoxy (as opposed to Hindu orthodoxy for Guru Nanak).

Actually, it was protest against "the system" or society and orthodoxy
in general.

>Manish's growing hair appears to be a protest against conservatism by 
>and large. Perhaps a protest against 'Reagan-Bush-Quayle' era as well :-)

Notwithstanding the smilie, I'll say it one more time: I have it because
I like it.  No protest involved.  The more you double-guess the motives,
the more I'll double-up my replies.

By the way, in a later message you imply I'm walking away from being
Indian-American.  Well, any time you want pointers on either Indian or
American culture, you know who you can come to to set you straight.  :-)

Manish
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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: Prejudice and ignorance... how to solve it?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:44:12 GMT

=================================
 samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>I keep hearing these terms, 'know "you"', 'who "I" (really) am'. What
>do they mean? Usually the "real me" excludes physical attributes like
>looks and physique (don't hate me because I am fat). Does it also exclude
>mental attributes (don't hate me because I am dumb)? Finally, what attributes
>DO we include in figuring out the "real you/me"

 Attributes don't determine the "real you/me."

 Physical attributes and mental attributes are "Means."
 For what?

 The real you are the Ends which these Means lead to. In other words,
 the real you are your values, what you think is right, what you think
 life is all about, the basic themes that determine your choices.....

 Atrributes don't determine who you really are. Some are tall, some small.
 Some are sharp, and some are not that sharp. Some run fast, some run
 slow. The stuff you are, isn't determined by how fast or how well you run.
 It is determined by where you are running, "what" and "why" you are running.
 The destinations, the journey - not the attributes in your steps.

 Its a long journey. Difficult too. And worth the effort.

T.Y.
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