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From: clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:56:00 -0600
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In article <1992Dec13.205634.12871@samba.oit.unc.edu> George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
>
>	That may be true, but then, Price was no where near that level when 
>he was a senior in college, either.  

This is not really that true.  I was at Duke while Price was at
GaTech and of course hated him for all of the times that he beat us.
I felt that he consistently outplayed Johnny Dawkins until their
senior years.  Dawkins came on very strong that year.  Price
was a great shooter in college just as he has been in the
pros and he was an excellent finisher.

Coming out of college the rap on him was that he was
too small to be effective in the NBA.  I also remember people saying that he
was too slow.  In fact, I think the comments were very similar to the 
comments that are made about Hurley.  I also think that they
have very similar games in terms of their speed, quickness and
pesky defensive ability.  Price, however, is a pure shooter who can hit from
all different angles.  Hurley on the otehr hand has made himself a good shooter 
despite his less than perfect form.  On the other hand, I think
that Hurley is a much better distributor than Price was at this time
in college.  I think one of the reasons that Dawkins got
some much more attention than Price in college was that he
was flashier.  Think how much attention Hurley would be
getting if Duke hadn't done so well the last few years?

While Cremins is a good coach he is not Coach K.  He also tends
to recruit great players as opposed to an entire team.  Thus, 
Price did not meet with the same tournament success as Hurley.

Suppose Hurley played for Memphis state in place of Hardaway.  I
don't think he would get as much press as he has because he is not dazzling 
enough to attract it on his own without a strong team around him.
His skills are in running a team.  If he does not have a strong team to
run his skills are not as evident.

Dan Clancy



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From: vincent@lagrange (Mark Vincent)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:14:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins

In article <FZIMMERM.92Dec17151534@csd630a.erim.org> fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman) writes:
>And how about the Big Ten in 1976-77 (which dates me):  Indiana, with
>four future NBA players in its starting five (Buckner, Benson, Wilkerson,
>Scott May) versus Michigan, with Phil Hubbard (who would have been
>one of the greatest ever if he hadn't blown out his knee) and Rickey Green
>(who I think is *still* playing in the NBA, after one of the longest
>careers ever), Wayman Britt, and Steve Grote?
>
>The two teams met in the NCAA finals.

I think you meant 1975-1976, but that's OK.  I don't remember much about the
regular season (in fact, I think the IU-Mich final was the first NCAA final
I ever saw), but it seemed like Indiana cast a long shadow over college hoops
that year.  After all, the Hoosiers had gone undefeated the previous year,
then had lost to Kentucky in the regional finals (Scott May broke his arm in
that game).  They were the preseason #1, beat UCLA (the defending national
champs) by 20 early in the season, and never looked back.  While Indiana did
go undefeated in 1975-1976 as well, I believe they trailed Michigan at half-
time in all three of their meetings (two in Big Ten play, and one in the 
NCAA championship game) that year.

BTW, I think the fifth starter on that Indiana team was Ted Abernathy, who
defensively shut Richard Washington of UCLA in the national semi.

What did the rest of the Big Ten do in 1975-1976?  Anyone?

the tea
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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: UMass Roster
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:35:54 GMT

granowit@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
: 			UMass Roster
: 
: No	Name		Pos	Cl	Ht.	Hometown
: 
: 22	Tony Barbee	F/G	Sr.	6'6"	Indianapolis, IN

I was wondering if anyone out there knows what high school in Indianapolis
this kid went to, and whether he was highly regarded coming out.  Also, if
you'll pardon my ignorance regarding things UMASS!!!, is he a contributor
this season?  Is he a starter?  Just wondering.
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - MidEastern
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:38:27 GMT
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Pretty light so far.

Thurman Johnson           6-7  PF  Dallas, TX                    Howard

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From: geosits@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:32:30 -0500
Distribution: na,world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Dec15.152807.27027@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
> G G ZIPFEL writes:
>>
>>	A Friend sent this to me:
>>
>>A co-worker (the boss's wife) is apparently in a heated debate with others in
>>the building.  She wants to know what a Hoya is, as in Georgetown Hoya.
> 
> I don't know. It's all Greek to me.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Don't be a stranger.

	Okay, here it goes.  There is actually no such "thing" as a 
Hoya.  In modern times, it refers to the mascot of Georgetown, Jack 
the Bulldog.  Way back when, it was derived from an old fight cheer, 
"Hoya Saxa".  Hoya was derived from a Greek word ,meaning "What".  Saxa 
was derived from a Latin word meaning "Rocks"--What Rocks!  It has two 
legends--one that it was used in the mid 1800s to refer to the 
baseball team, and another rumor has it that it was used to refer to 
the football team (yes GU has one, and it used to be quite good!) and 
their defense--a Stonewall, hence the rocks, hence "What Rocks".
	I guess they thought they were intellectual.  Personally, I 
think it was all a bit silly.

	Suzanne Geosits
	Georgetown University Class of '93
	geosits@guvax.georgetown.edu
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Should a woman coach a women's team?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:11:51 GMT

rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:

>Perhaps I expressed myself badly.  Rather than saying "I can't believe we're
>actually having this discussion," I should have said "It perturbs me greatly
>that there is any argument about the question in the subject line."

I guess either one of two things happened (or maybe both):
  1. you didn't read the entire article
  2. I wasn't clear in what I was asking

What I meant to ask was:
  
  Given the realities of life (i.e. it'll be a while before women are
  regularly and seriously considered for coaching men's basketball
  programs), should only women be considered for coaching women's
  programs?

In other words, do you believe in quotas?

However, since nobody seems to be able to discuss it much, I withdraw
the question.

Sorry for wasting your time.
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From: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 

>Jazzy J wrote:
JJ> Actually, Gordon's last year w/ the Cardinals was in '84, when
JJ> they lost to UK in the Sweet 16 in a regional game played in Rupp.
JJ> That was Billy T's sophomore year.

I have already been duly chastised, Jazzy, but thank you for correcting
me. It's terrible to lose one's memory. <g>

....gil

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley vs. the pros (stats)
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:50:30 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

You forgot one statistics - assists.  If we are to compare the point
guards, the number of assists is a critical factor here.


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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:34:14 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

ROBERT MACKENNA writes:
>
>Well, in one or another of the polls, Tech started out #1, lost in the
>Tip Off Classic, whereupon Carolina went to #1, until they lost (to
>Maryland, I think it was), whereupon Duke went to number #1 and stayed
>there through the final poll, and then went to the Final Four and would
>have won the damn thing had not Pervis Ellison played his only good game
>at Louisville against them in the Finals.
>
Old Story. New Provocation. 
Ah yes that was the era when UofL players were roundly ridiculed as
wearing their IQs on their backs. And the press widely implied
some kind of Holy War of the good, the pure, the noble Duke student 
athlete vs the sullied fodder of the UofL basketball factory. And
Pervis, he of the gentle demeanor, offered to match his SATs against
that of any of the Duke players. And the Duke players, whether out
of modesty or having much to be modest about, declined. Since then,
of course, we've been graced with countless interviews featuring 
high domed Duke student athletes and can draw our own conclusions.

Only good game....
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:33:15 GMT

In article <Bz9I9M.7Cy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Jazzy J writes:
>George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
>                        ^^^
>>	??  Hurley is better than 40% from three-point range, career.  What 
>>more do you want?

I cram to understand all these Tarheels defending Bobby Hurley.  Jazzy, you've
just gone *too far* this time. =^)

>	Close.  I looked it up.  Hurley shot .357, .404, and .421 his
>	first 3 years in college ball.  That's a total of .397.
>
>	Jazzy J
>
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From: srt@aero.org (Scott "Ph.D." Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Report, Volume 2
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:52:38 GMT
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gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>No offense guys but could we at least wait until [Kidd] has done something
>worth mentioning before we act as if he is the second coming???

And break a long-standing net.tradition?

					-- Scott T.
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:45:58 CST

In article <92347.170823RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>This gives the Big 10 teams at No. 3, 5, 5, 9, 10, 10 (Wow - 6 top 10's!), 15
>18, 28, 29, 35, and 48 = 215 points.  On this system, the Big 10 is 30 points
>better than the ACC.  The ACC is a little short than the Big 10 here.  This is
>why I say the Big 10 is clearly the best conference in combined sexes in
>basketball.  Anybody else care to challenge???

I'm not sure looking at *ratings* is a fair comparison.  Virginia has been
in consecutive Final 4's in women's ball (maybe even final games, I'm not
sure).  Last year, Purdue lost to Maryland in the NCAA's in women's ball.
Maryland was 2nd in their conference, I believe, and so was Purdue.
Looking at CHAMPIONSHIP performance, the Trent Lange method of determining
conference power, I'd have to say the ACC is a bit better than the Big 10
in combined basketball right now.
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Non-Conference Comparisons
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:19:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

>From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)

>In article <holmess.6.0@columbia.dsu.edu> holmess@columbia.dsu.edu (STEVE W HOLMES) writes:
>>I DONT THINK THAT GTOWN HAS A EASY SCHEDULE.  THEY HAVE ONE OF THE PREMIERE 
>>BIG MEN FOR INCOMING FRESHMEN IN THE COUNRTY HE WILL MATURE QUICKLY.  I 
>>THINK THAT HE WILL BE EWING AND MOURNING ALL IN ONE.  GREAT UNIVERSITY 
>>DERRICK. 

>Perhaps someone could post the first ten games (or pre-conference) of
>Georgetown's schedule and then we could compare it to that of Indiana,
>Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Notre Dame, and North Carolina.

Ask and ye shall receive:

Georgetown:  St. Leo's,  Southern, Freedom Bowl Classic (vs Hawaii-
Pacific, also Southern California College and UC Irvine), Maryland 
-Eastern Shore, Morgan State, DePaul, UNLV

Indiana:  Murray State, several preseason NIT opponents (including
Florida State and Seton Hall?), Kansas, Notre Dame, Austin Peay,
Western Michigan(?!), Cincinnati, St John's, Hoosier Classic (vs
Butler, also Colorado and St Francis [NY]), Kentucky

Duke:  Canisius, Michigan, Northeastern, Rutgers, some teams at the
Maui Invitational (vs DePaul, also Chaminade, Memphis State, BYU,
Oklahoma, LSU, Stanford), Boston U, Oklahoma, Iowa, San Francisco,
Notre Dame, UCLA

Kentucky:  Wright State, Georgia Tech, Eastern Kentucky, Louisville,
Morehead State, Miami (O), Rutgers, St Johns or Manhattan, Indiana,
Notre Dame

Louisville:  Michigan State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, DePaul, Georgia
Tech, Maryland, Oral Roberts, Xavier, Kansas,  Arizona State, UNLV,
Western Kentucky, Houston, Notre Dame

Notre Dame: they're not in a conference, so here's some of who
they play - Evansville, Indiana, Providence, Boston College, USC,
Xavier, Detroit Mercy, Dayton, Stanford, West Virginia, Michigan,
Butler, LaSalle, Missouri, UCLA, St. Bonaventure, Duke, Kentucky,
Marquette, DePaul, North Carolina, Duquesne, Valparaiso, Louisville

North Carolina:  Old Dominion, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia
Tech, Houston, Butler, Ohio State, Rainbow Classic (whoever's in
that),  Cornell, Seton Hall, Notre Dame

At first blush, Georgetown's schedule seems clearly weaker than 
these others - they only play 2 "traditionally good" teams - UNLV
and DePaul, both of which are nothing like they've been in the past.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:10:32 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
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 <92349.144247RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Dec14.220404.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>

In article <1992Dec14.220404.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor) says:
>Perhaps to solve the arguments, there is ACC/Big Ten Challenge for Women's
>Basketball on January 2nd.  Virginia will square off with Ohio State and
>Maryland played Purdue once again.
Again, what is this going to prove?  Of course Virginia is going to
beat Ohio State.  Ohio State is No. 28 - Virginia is No. 5.  The Maryland
Purdue matchup will be a much better indication of the better conference.
Maryland is No. 6 and Purdue is No. 7 - both teams are rated No. 2 in their
conference.
>Hey, why don't I just compare Michigan State and Virginia?  Ok, two years     .
>ago..
>Virginia played Michigan State in Miami Tournament and rolled up to a 91-50
>victory.
>
Why am I SO SURPRISED???  Actually because Virginia didn't cover the
spread.  They were favored by 45.
>By the way, as of now...The ACC is now tied with Big Ten as Iowa beat
>Maryland,
>53-50.  And Georgia Tech duped Minnesota at Minnesota with 82-62 win.
   The No. 29 team in the country dumping the No. 300 team in the league.
That's saying a lot.
** Rob **
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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:22:34 GMT

I think Hurley will be a solid pro point guard and will probably 
start right away unless he goes to a team with a good established
player at the point.  He proved himself this year against the
Dream Team - according to reports I heard he ate up Stockton.
As for the comparisons to Price, physically there are a lot of
similarities (size,speed,etc..) but there are differences in 
their games.  Price is more of a pure shooter and has much
better range.  Hurley has greatly improved his 3-pt shooting
since he has been at Duke (and no doubt will continue to as
a pro) but he is still not the shooter Price was as a collegian.
The thing that amazes me about Hurley is that he always hits
the critical 3's when the team really needs it.  That kind of
gutsy clutch play is valuable at any level and should serve
him well in the NBA.  IMHO Hurley is better at running the
offense and distributing the basketball than Price was in
college.  He won't be an immediate superstar in the NBA but
with a team like San Antonio which has lots of talent but
no point guard he might be the missing part necessary to take
them to the next level.
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: fab 5's public statements
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:09:51 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Dec17.154132.28786@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>Funny, in my experience such comments are used by coaches of other
>teams to motivate.  What you're saying seems to apply more to the
>trash talk during games.
>

It works on basketball fans too.

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From: thurston@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Tad Thurston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kansas' Ostertag out with injury
Keywords: Ostertag, stress fracture miss 4wks
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:22:42 GMT
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scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:


>In article <1992Dec10.221456.25908@ncar.ucar.edu>, grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:
>>I read in the local newspaper (ha ha) that reserve center Greg
>>Ostertag of the Kansas Jayhawks will be out 4 weeks with a stress
>>fracture in his leg.  When did this happen?  Opinions on how this
>>will affect Kansas as the Big8 season approaches?
>>
>He did it early in the season and had been playing on it till it
>got too bad.  I don't think this will hurt in the Big8 as he should
>be back by then.  Only thing that might hurt is cohesiveness, ie
>lack of familarity by playing together.  

>Richey is also out 2weeks for Orthoscoptic(sp) surgery on his knee.
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What will be their expected status by the date of the Oklahoma game at
Norman Jan 11?  Just a salivating Sooner fan... :)

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Dream Game quotes
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:57:00 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jazzy J writes:
>Jeff Davis writes:

             [about Pitino using Delk at non-shooting point]
>
>	Well, in the case of Delk, I think that Pitino's looking more
>	towards his and the team's future -- right now at point guard, the
>	corps are very slim, and with Brown and Braddy moving on after this
>	season, they're going to need someone to handle the point.  Delk
>	is the best bet.  Plus, at 6'2", he isn't going to get much pro
>	consideration as a shooting guard.  
>
>	Besides, the point guard isn't totally a non-shooting position
>	under Pitino.  Back in his Providence days, it was point guard
>	Billy Donovan (the current UK assistant) who would always let fly.
>	In fact, he was the team's leading scorer in 86-87 (the final 4 year).
>	I guess Ford just hasn't had the shooting mentality he had in high
>	school at Madisonville.

They need someone a little bigger to handle point come, say, the Indiana
game. So, I hope Tony's a quick study. Keith LeGree doesn't always make
the best use of his considerable physical talents, so the UL game didn't
point up Travis Ford's problems. Thank goodness. [UofL oddity: 2 players
in their top 6 who could have pro careers in sports other than basketball.]
I bet Michael Lerner's going to make me eat a White Castle for breakfast
if Ford comes through against Indiana: a true Blue believer vs someone
who sees the water evaporating from a full glass.

     [About who else had Delk's zig-zag defensive posture]

>
>	I'm thinking of Roderick "Hot Rod" Barnes who used to play for
>	Ole Miss.  The similarities are scary!
>
I think I remember the player you're talking about. The motion is just such 
an odd spaghetti-pot of elbows and hands and shoulders. Most b-ball players 
are so economical in the way they move.

Also, two of the more satisfying moments of the game for me was Delk taking
his man baseline, then pulling up for a soft little fadeaway & Prickett
hitting that left handed layup of his. 
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