HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:17:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Apr7.231720.6536
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

>>>>Well, we've got Delaney (whose work I've never read...
>>>If you only try one story, try, "Time Seen as a Helix of Semi-Precious
>>>Stones. (The Motss relevance is subtle, but unmistakable.)  It is
>>>a great novella - won the Nebula the year it came out, 1982?

Sorry about the nitpicking but, being one of the resident Delany
queens, I can't resist. It's "Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious
Stones". The motss relevance is not that subtle. The male protagonist was
talking with the kid (Hawk?) about the scars the kid got from their
S&M encounters. 

rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>If he has any short story collections, it would likely be
>there too, it is certainly his most famous short...

It's in the collection _Driftglass_, which collects just about all
his early short stories. There are some great stories (and some
great titles; the best stories are the ones with the best titles).

>BTW, the autobiagraphy is called the Motion of Light through
>Water, and I loved it!

Yup, highly recommended. I also highly recommend the early Marilyn
Hacker poetry collections that Delany quotes from.

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Pride events this summer
Keywords: SF Freedom Parade, NY Pride Parade
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 07:00:52 GMT

Anyone know the dates for the marches/rallies/parades
in NY and SF? I know that everybody knows that one of
them is the last weekend of June, but try to get three
queens to agree what is the last weekend of June?
[Anyone remember the long thread about the dates....]

I'm probably going to be in SF for a week sometime between
May 15 and June 15. I'm also supposed to visit a good lesbian
friend of mine over the pride weekend in NY and want get some
dates.....


jari
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:40:51 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr7.032430.12942@cs.ubc.ca>, manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
    writes:
> Delaney and Marion Zimmer Bradley were two of the three I was thinking
> of. The third once wrote the only story I've ever seen which had the
> word `defenestration' in the title. 

That makes it Clarke.  "The Defenestration of Ermintrude
Inch" collected in _Tales from the 'White Hart'_.  Not my
favorite Clarke story by a long shot but it'll do.

But there've been rumors about Clarke for years....

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: .signature etiquette
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:22:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr14.002251.4471
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <13APR92.18472369@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>I envisoned some posting of mine to a technical newsgroup in which
>>someone reads the signature and gets offended.
>I sense worrying a little about what phobes might think.  Not a good idea,
>IMHO.  For the record, I have not received any flack for any incarnation
>of my .sig in any of the newgroups to which I have posted.

Oh, me neither. I'm not worried about what some 'phobe thinks about my
signature - I stopped worrying what they thought about me years ago.

I was worried that some well-meaning lesbigay person would think that
a statement as flip as "Not being a lesbian, I became a computer
scientiest" was rude.

Quotes need context; if the context is lacking they can easily be
misinterpreted. When I post to soc.motss what I say is generally
understood to be gay-friendly. I lose that license when I post to
news.admin.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                       Shop as usual and avoid panic buying
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fedrick@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Kelvin W. Fedrick)
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:38:27 GMT

In article <17776@awdprime.UUCP> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>Until you get beyond your basic misconception that genetics is the end-all
>of human development, you will be completely unable to explore what factors
>might actually cause one to choose a homosexual lifestyle.

 This has already been discussed to death. I think that if you read all
 the post you would have seen that I did not make any such claim that
 genetics is the 'end-all of human development.'
 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:00:27 GMT

In article <36215@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>In article <kukfq2INNcj0@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>
>>But two can play at this game, Mlinar.  From henceforth I demand that
>>if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, Norwegian
>>way.  Yes, that includes the rising and falling tones.  And forget
>>the Americanized spelling of my last name -- it should be "Adolfsen",
>>as it was until 45 years ago.  Bonus points if you pronounce my middle
>>name (Ole) correctly.
>
>Ya sure, ya betcha, Arne.  Would ya be bringin' some ludefisk to the
>con, now would ya?  Ack, but the winds are good and the fishes be runnin'.
>(believe it or not, but this could be an actual conversation in Ballard, Wa)
>                                                                ^^^^^^^^
>--mark
>
I don't want to get back to the thread discussing whether beer is significant
or not, but you haven't lived as a beer drinker until you've seen a Ballard
Bitter Bottle, with its turnof the century ballardite, (read Norwegian/Swede)
and the logo "Ya Sure, ya betcha."  (Of course, beer is significant...)

Sandy  Who is still not doing her Ada homework.  Quit being interesting, ya!
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cornell Protests Military Ban
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:53:14 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Apr8.222212.27594@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
><> We have a president [Bush] who vetoed Congress's first effort
><> to raise the minimum wage in thirteen years but supports a tax
><> break for the richest people in the nation, and House Democrats
><> are offended that anyone should introduce the notion of class-
><> warfare politics into the discussion?  You could have knocked
><> me over with Dan Quayle's brain. -- Molly Ivins

In 1981, when Ronald Reagan got into the White House, the top rate
on the richest Americans was 70%, down from over 90% prior to
Richard Nixon's presidency.  In 1981 the richest Americans paid
18% of the TOTAL income tax burden in this country.  When Reagan
lowered the rate, the tax burden paid by the richest Americans
increased to 28% of the total, an increase of 55%.

By lowering the tax rate, the income tax the rich pay increases.
Income tax is a sin tax, just like liquor and tobacco taxes.

Every time the minimum wage has been increased, the unemployment
level for the lowest paid workers rises.  Unemployment for black
youth is now significantly higher than it was in 1981, when the
value of the minimum wage in today's dollars was about 20 or 30%
lower.

The minimum wage costs American's jobs.  We can't afford to have a
minimum wage in this country any more than the (former) Soviet Union
could.
-- 
John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.222830.4157@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>HAD you watched "I, Claudius" you would have learned that Claudius was
>about the only normal character in the entire series.  (It sounds like
>Steve hasn't watched it all either.)  While the rest of Rome was sleeping
>about and plotting the death of everyone else, Claudius was busily acting
>like quite a dunce.  Dumb like a fox would be a perfect way to describe
>Claudius.  He acted like an idiot, and thus saved his own life ...

I was talking about the acting, not about the plot.
Derek Jacobi did a wonderful job, but hearing him use
the _very same_ same stuttering device in the exerpt
from _Breaking the Code_ was disappointing.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: DJK (CHRISITIAN HYPOCRITE?)
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:00:47 GMT

It was either in alt.sex or alt.personals  #14696 that I found
a posting by Mr. David J.Krueger talking about having sex with
his "girl" friend on hot muggy nights!

Now don't get me wrong, but isn't premaritial sex wrong, according
to DJK's book?  

First there was Jimmy Bakker then Jimmy Swaggart and now DJK himself!!!

WHat is happening to us lord?

God says (yes he talks to me) "Its hard to get help now a days!!"
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 00:19:16 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Con '92 Housing
 <1992Apr4.191109.23821@ircam.fr> <1992Apr07.233410.22518@news.mentorg.com>


somebody writes, but i don't want to put in carats, so assume
that the questions are included text and the answers are mine:

I need the following information so that I can make arrangements:

    1. Who are you (so we have your name)?

Ailsa N.T. Murphy
     and Katy Cunningham

    2. How many are you?

two, one of whom is five and a half (or will be by then...)

    3. Will you be staying in the motel?

not if i can at all avoid it!  if i have to stay in a motel,
i can't come...  poverty sux, but it's life...

    4. Do you need floor space to crash?

yes, please.

        a. Any special requirements (e.g. can't sleep
           on floor due to bad back, need a place to smoke, allergies)?

well, we're vegetarians, but i can cook, so that's not a problem,
in fact i woudl be glad to show my appreciation for being housed
by fixing dinner for everyone in the house some evening...  allergic
to cigarette smoke; it sets off my asthma.

        b. Would you be interested in a "communal" sleeping arrangement
           for one or ? nights?  (We've got a volunteer to organize a
           "puppydog pile")

well, i'm no fun, i guess, but not really.  it's fun conceptually,
but in real life, i am way too shy for that...  and then i would want
to marry all those women at once!  it woulc confuse my life too
much B)

i would love to be able to go to this thing, even if jess isn't
going to be there (i think he is probably the person i am most
curious about meeting).  especially if some of the more interesting
women WILL be.  peggy?  are you going?  i think in the end it
will come down to a question of 1) money, and 2) which women are
going, that will determine whenther i go or not...  especially
because even if i figure out how to afford it, it will still
break me to go, so deciding if i want to be painfully broke for
the rest of the summer is something i can't just hop into lightly.

                                       -ailsa
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:03:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36184
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Apr10.190455.27970@flood.com> tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas) writes:
>| In article <ku9q3pINNlbj@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>| |> Have you read the Portland proposal?  I'm desperately trying
>| |> to figure out how to pack an ice axe in a suitcase stuffed to
>| |> overflowing with chenille.  
>| 
>|    Gad, I hadn't realized that .con's were so violent. Do you need a
>| concealed weapon permit to carry that axe under your chenille?
>
>After Basic Instinct??? If we explain that we're travelling to a
>lesbigay convention, chenille and an ice axe is just what they'd
>*expect* to find in our suitcases... :-)/2

A scene at the Portland airport:
[with your best Dragnet "Joe Friday" voice]

  "Excuse me, but is that an ice axe?  And what, exactly, do you
   intend to do with such an implement in our fair city?  You know,
   it's people like you that give streetwalking its bad name."

well, at least it was funny to me  ;-)

--mark

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:00:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.233122.13127@macc.wisc.edu>
     andersonn@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <Fe43iB1w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US>
>mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>> bisekshals.  Some probably come because what they really
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>For a moment there, I thought this was a Jewish epithet...

   I did too!  And I'm both queer and bisexual!

            Elf !!!

--
Civilization has branded you.  You will never be free unless you view
everyone and everything as suspect.  Food.  Drink.  Speech.  All
society's tools.  Everyone lined up and accounted for.  In formation.
                                          -- Number Six, The Prisoner
Elf Sternberg    elf%polari@uunet.uu.net  <-- checked twice daily.
elf@halcyon.com  elf@seanews.uucp  elf@pismo.uucp
From: jenkirj@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Young, Gay actors?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:55:10 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Anyone have a list of young, gay actors?  (Not porn actors, and under 30)

I am curious as to who is out that I don't know about?

Thanks,
RJ
From: djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Well..... Here I am.. :-!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:24:16 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

Hi:

Since I keep receiving letters filled with hate from several
of the soc.motss types accusing me of 'posting' here against
the rules of the soc.motss charter when I have'nt until THIS
POSTING _ever_ transmitted an article into this newsgroup...
I have decided to show them the difference so that there can
be no mistake as to when it a post from me and one that this
group is added to the followups or newsgroups line by others
who apparently are seeking to cause problems for me.. 

I'd bet it is the same JERKOFF who put rec.guns and rec.pets
in a while back...........

Anyway.. THIS is ME..  I did it, and I'll start to make this
a regular hangout if those responsible do not stop adding me
and my posts into their followups to inappropriate places...

I have created a special node on my LAN to handle the flood
of love letters that no doubt will follow.. Flame away.

I apologize to all of the good soc.motss'ers who are not any
part of this, and who mostly are great people. :-)

-djk

-
-----
Daniel J. Karnes - djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM  / ..!ctedge!djk
NMS&Systems Engineering, Norco, CA. 91760
'opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer' :-)
From: gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:12:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <jcq8j44@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>The way you and Ricky sleep, I could break into your apartment with a 
>jackhammer, tapdance into the bedroom, throw my boots across the room, 
>toss my suspenders with the big ring in the back onto the floor,
>dump a bag full of torture instruments into the bed and climb in without
>waking either of you.
>
Actually I am the heavy sleeper.  R. seems to wake up a lot :-(  

>
>For that matter, we could probably have a three way where I would be the
>only one awake...
>
Sounds good to me, what are you up to Saturday night ??

>
>Oops... There I go, telling other people's secrets... ;-)
>

Secrets ??  As if I have any left !!!

Later,
George



-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
From: buckmr@RPI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Looking for contact at SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:04:31 GMT

------- Blind-Carbon-Copy

To: gaynet@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Looking for contact at SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 15:04:31 -0400
From: buckmr

 
I'm looking for the phone number of the Student gay/lesbian/bisexual group at
Syracuse University. If anyone knows, could they please send it to me? thanks!

- ---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"I don't understand how there can be regulated bigotry." -Mariah Carey

------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mormon pamphlet
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:14:11 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> My goodness!  It has just been brought to my attention that
> in making a short response to Mike Batchelor's long and very
> interesting posting about his Navy experiences and getting
> away from his earlier life, I inadvertently left the whole
> original article beneath my remarks.  Sorry for the
> inconvenience this carelessness may have caused.

That's OK, Jess, you ditz, you. :)

But what an irrascible, cuddly ditz you are (how's that for
juxtaposition?).



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mini Film Festival
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:51:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr15.235108.28057
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


sinve arne posted a film festival list for la, can i do
the same for chicago?  

after much discussion/arguing, u of chicago's doc films 
(every night of the week each quarter) has as a topic:
	historical gay and lesbian representation.  

we are already 2 weeks into the quarter so y'all have 
missed:  april 2:  a florida enchantment
		   the soilers
		   their first mistake
	
	 april 9:  madchen in uniform  (umlaut over the a)
		this film was *great*!  all lesbians should 
		see it!  it was so positive towards lesbianism,
		they had to make a movie showing the evils of
		lesbianism a year later!  

rest of the schedule...
april 16:  queen christina

april 23:  red light, green light - meeting strangers
	   rope 

april 30:  the children's hour

may 7:  tea and sympathy

may 17:  the killing of sister george

may 21:  cruising 

may 28:  un chant d'amour 
	 fireworks 
	 scorpio rising 
	 ten cents a dance 

june 4:  virgin machine
	 buddies 

chicagoe motssers should check it out!  films start at 8pm, and 
are shown at 1212e. 59th st.  
	     chicago

peg
From: langenwa2086@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: djk goofball
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:19:52 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> 
> --- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
> --- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
> --- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
> -- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------

Mr. DJK:

All of your messages are so full of hate, that they bring to my mind a song
written by Freddie Mercury (RIP).  I'll share a few lines with you:

        Why is this world so full of hate
        people dying everywhere
        and we destroy what we create
        people fighting for their human rights
        but we just go on saying c'est la vie
        so this is life...
        I live and hope for a world filled with love
        then we can all just live in peace.

What are you trying to accomplish by posting your hatefull messages?  Why not
just relax and enjoy what _you_ have, instead of trying to tarnish what other
people have?  Your solutions don't seem innovative; your problems are not
modern.  Based on what I've read, I'd place you more in the times of
Neanderthal.
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Exercise (Was Re: anyone know anything about laundry?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:36:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: zola.j7ksbgo
Reply-To: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <j7kfed0@zola.esd.sgi.com>, I write (about skates):
>If you are taking my suggestion seriously (and I was
>being serious), a few words of advice:

One last word:  No self-respecting faggot would be caught
dead in a pair of SwitchIts.  At least not any of the self-
respecting faggots I know.

love,
m.

Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bailar el Flamenco (was Different Cultures)
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:53:42 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells) wrote an excellent introduction
to flamenco and proper clothing! This is going to be my obsession 
now.... If I didn't already have summer projects, this would be it.
I guess it has to wait until fall!

>	colours worn include: peach,amber,yellow,scarlet,blood-red,Black &
>white, mauve,magenta,lilac, cream... hell, I've even seen turquoise!!
>...it's only a tourist tradition that dictates the colour is always red; that
>and the fact that in those days of yore red dye was the most common.  Pick a
>colour that suits you and then colour the underside with a complementary 
>colour
>(something opposite eg scarlet/gold, b&w/scarlet, powder blue/magenta...)

>Another fallacy is the one about the rose.  Why would people want to put a 
>(nevertheless beautiful) thorny stem in their mouth ?? No, the flower of trad
>Spanish dance is the *Carnation* La flor del amor...
>red for love and passion;white for innocence and devotion;pink for joy and 
>carefree celebration;yellow for malice and intent.

Hmmm.. this is going to get almost as complicated as the hanky codes.
Maybe one of each color...

I saved the original for later use...

thanks!

jari