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From: saxena@cs.rochester.edu (Prashant Saxena)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Collective PUKAR ---- Kah(a/i)n
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:41:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <ksingh.702917987@femto.engr.mun.ca> ksingh@nano.engr.mun.ca (Karunesh Singh) writes:
>Well, we got a lot of postings with 'kahan ho' songs, so I am going to
>include all the songs here. I have tried my best to include all the
>numbers (though there were few songs, which I never heard before).
>
>	Kahin deep jale kahin dil
>			(Lata, bees saal baad, Hemant Kumar)
>This song was recorded with minimum amount of instrumental because when
>it was supposed to be recorded, the musicians went on strike but the
>producer had to get it recorded. Also, this movie had another great Lata
>number and I am not able to recall it, can someone please help)

Are you referring to "Sapne Suhaane LaDakpan ke
                          Mere NainoN meiN Jhoome Bahaar Ban Ke" ?
>
>	kahin pe nigahen, kahin pe nishana
>			(Shamshad, CID, O.P.Naiyyar)
>

The two songs above (kahin pe nigahen.., kahin deep jale..) shouldn't be
here - we can start a whole new series on "KAHIN" later :-). Talking of 
"kahin", do any of you remember that lovely Rafi number from Shankar Hussain
that goes "Kahin ek masoom nazuk si LaDki
             Bahut khoobsoorat, magar saanvli si..."
It had some of the most irrestible lyrics I have come across in Hindi songs
(I might post the lyrics some time in the near future, if I overcome my
inertia :-) ). The music, if I remember correctly, was by Khaiyyam.

>	K.P.Singh		A LATA-MADAN FAN


Prashant 
saxena@cs.rochester.edu
From: vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Vrindavan ka krishna kanhaiya -- Lyrics wanted
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:00:09 GMT
Reply-To: vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: vishram@happy.cc.utexas.edu

There are a couple of OLD songs whose lyrics I have been trying
to find out for a long time :-

1. Vrindavan ka Krishna Kanhaiya, sab ki aankhon ka tara
   man hi man mein kyun jale Radhika Mohan to hai sab ka tara
   (Ms. Mary)

2. Aan milo aan milo Shyam sanware 
   Brij mein akeli Radhe khoi khoi fire
   (Devdaas - Dilipkumar)

Can any one help ? Thanks...

-Vishram
From: ssampath@taco.ucdavis.edu (Srikanth Sampath)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Song Picturization
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:17:46 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <1992Apr13.023544.15567@utdallas.edu> $user@utdallas.edu writes:
>
>	Some other great picturizations of song:
>	
>	film: Who Koon Thi
>	song: 'Laagja gallay kay phir yek raat ho na ho ...' (Lata)
>	      'Jo hum nay daataan apni sona ee, app kyon rooay' (Lata)
>	    Excellent film with Sadana and Manoj Kumar.  I think the music
>	is by SD Burman.
	      ~~~~~~~~~
  	it is i think Madan Mohan 
	srikanth
	ssampath@poppy.ucdavis.edu

-- 
_______________________________________________
Aa No Bhadraaha Kratavo Yantu Vishwataha
.Let Noble thoughts come to us from all sides
					- Rigveda
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Origins of Music Directors, Singers, Lyricists
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:02:19 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <9204151238.AA24914@cs.utexas.edu> MAVANI@KGNVMA.VNET.IBM.COM (Jagat Mavani) writes:
>Here is a compilation of some of the information I have, Could someone correct
>or add to it.....
>
>ORIGINS OF MUSIC DIRECTORS, SINGERS, LYRICISTS
>
>MUSIC DIRECTORS                          SINGERS
>
>Shankar          : Maharastra            Kundan Lal Saigal   : Punjab
>Jaikishen        : Gujarat               Mohammed Rafi       :  ?
>Naushad          :  ?                    Manna Dey           : Bengal
>S.D. Burman      : Bengal                Mukesh              :  ?
                    ^^^^^^
Oh. no! He is from Tripura. I think he is connected to Tripura Royal 
Family.

>Salil Chowdhury  : Bengal                Talat Mehmood       :  ?
>C. Ramchandra    : South India ?         Kishore Kumar       : Bengal
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Born and brought up in MP. Probably Jabbalpur , if I remember.

>Vasant Desai     : Maharastra            Yesudas             : Kerala
>Hemant Kumar     : Bengal                S.P.Balasubramanian : Tamil Nadu
>R.D. Burman      : Bengal                Lata Mangeshkar     : Maharastra
                    ^^^^^^
Bara Nabab's son. So , should be Tripura. But, brought up in Bombay.

>Khayyam          :  ?                    Asha Bhonsle        : Maharastra
>Roshan           :  ?                    Geeta Dutt          : Bengal ?
>O.P. Nayyar      : South India ?         Shamshad Begum      :  ?
>Madan Mohan      :  ?
>Usha Khanna      : Punjab ?              LYRICISTS
>Kalyanji         : Gujarat
>Anandji          : Gujarat               Shailendra          :  ?
>Laxmikant        :  ?                    Hasrat Jaipuri      : Stage name ?
>Pyarelal         :  ?                    Sahir Ludhianvi     : Punjab ?
>Ravindra Jain    : Madhya Pradesh ?      Shakeel Badayuni    :  ?
>Jaidev           :  ?                    Majrooh Sultanpuri  : U.P. ?
>Nadeem Shravan   :  ?                    Rajinder Krishen    :  ?
>                                         Anand Bakshi        :  ?
>                                         Gulzar              : Bengal ?
>                                         Indivar             :  ?
-Saumyen
From: U56779@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Chalte .. ... Chalte Mere Geet
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:44 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Can Anybody please complete following lyrics and Tell me movie's
name....

       Chalte chalte mere ye geet yaad rakhana
       Kabhi alvidaa na kahena kabhi alvidaa na kehanna....

 Thanks

                                         _AniL_
                            Yeh Angregi Fashion Vashion kya jaanu
                            Mein  Huin  BHARAT  ka  CHAILA.......
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Subject: Re: buying a tabla in US or Canada
Keywords: tabla, north america
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 06:05:46 GMT



ramesh@cs.UAlberta.CA (Ramesh S. Sankaranarayana) : 
>Subject: buying a tabla in US or Canada
>
>       Does anyone out there know if one can buy a tabla in USA or Canada, and
>if yes, where? Also, what would the approximate price be? My email address can 


 Where:  You can try the following places; they are listed in the phone book
         in their respective cities.

         1. Roma Enterprises in Cincinnati Ohio - Good collection of Tabla's 
               and other musical instruments from India.
         2. Butala Emporium in Jackson Heights NY - Has a few good sets;
               not very knowledgeable about music or tabla in particular.
         3. Ali Akbar College of Music in San Rafael CA (north of SF) - has a 
               good collection of tablas, but a bit overpriced, as ever!

 How much : About 5 years ago, a good set would cost about $150 (a set 
            made in India, and of exceptional quality). It may be around $200
            now. I bought a set from Roma for around $150 many years
            ago (made in Calcutta) and even after years of use, it has held up
            very well. 
-------------------------------------
Jayant Naik 

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: ar853@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Arun M. Nagaraj)
Subject: Repost:MUSIC CONCERTS IN CLEVELAND, OHIO (THYAGARAJA ARADHANA)
Reply-To: ar853@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Arun M. Nagaraj)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:11:52 GMT





Saturday April 18. 1992
At the Waetjen Concert Hall, Cleveland State University,
2001, Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio 44115.

8.00 a.m   Prayer and worship
8.30 a.m   Bhajans by Children
8.45 a.m   Pancharatna session
           Followed by individual singing of Thyagaraja Krithis
4.00 p.m   Jugal Bandhi
           Flute: Dr. N. Ramani
           Mandolin: U. Srinivas
           KanyaKumari in Violin 
           Guruvayur S. Dorai in Mridangam
           Ustad Zakir Hussein in Tabla
7.30 p.m   Trichur V. Ramachandran : Vocal
           V.V. Ravi : Violin
           Srimushnam Raja Rao:Mridangam
           Clevaland R. Balasubramanium: Ganjira


Sunday April 19, 1992

At the Siva Vishnu Temple of Greater Cleveland, 7733 Ridge Road, Parma,
Ohio 44129.

10:00 a.m  T.N Seshagopolan : Vocal
           G. CHandramouli:  Violin
           R. Narayanan :    Mridangam

Monday April 20th, 1992

7.00 p.m   (Also in the Temple)
           Smt. Seetha Rajan: Vocal
           K.S.Mani: Violin
           R.Narayanan: Mridangam


THE CONCERTS ARE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC 
-- 
WOODS ARE LOVELY DARK AND DEEP
BUT I HAVE PROMISES TO KEEP
AND MILES TO GO BEFORE I SLEEP 
AND MILES TO GO BEFORE I SLEEP.      - ROBERT FROST 
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: hamiltoe@fraser.sfu.ca (James Sadler Hamilton)
Subject: SOUTH ASIAN MUSIC WORKSHOP
Summary: WORKSHOPS ON RAG KAFI AT SIMON FRASER CON'T STUDIES
Keywords: MUSIC INDIA SITAR
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:01:37 GMT

Join Ethnomusicologist Dr James Hamilton for a series of studio workshops
and classes on the classical music of South Asia. The focuss will be on 
rag Kafi (Dorian mode). Novices as well as trained musicians are invited to
attend. Participants should have a basic command of either Indian or
Western notation. Participants should bring acoustic instruments.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: mrangasw@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Muralidhar Rangaswamy)
Subject: Re: Musician Among Musicians
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:20:14 EDT

S.Pandian in his articles mentions that Balamuralikrishna is the musician among
musicians. I wholeheartedly agree. It is worthwhile pointing out that he has
done something that only the great musical luminary Muthuswamy Dikshitar has
accomplished (i.e., composing songs in 72 Melakrata Ragas). Among other things,
I have a tape of his from a concert in 1964. His rendering of the song
Manasuloni Marmamu in the Raga Hindolam is simply superb. I was particularly
impressed by his Swara Prasthara and his ability to move effortlessly from Athi
Manthrasthayi to Tarasthayi. Another noteworthy point is his diction. His
rendition of compositions in Sanskrit, Telugu, Kannada and Tamil are the simply
the best I have heard in a long time. Please note that I enjoy and appreciate
other musicians and their performances equally well. However, on account of the
points mentioned above, I can't but subscribe to what Mr. Pandian has said in 
his posting.

Muralidhar Rangaswamy
From: pravin@usenet.umr.edu (Pravin Sitaram)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Lalgudi Jayaraman's thillanas
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:19:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla

Hi,

Does anyone have a copy of Lalgudi Jayaraman's thillanas.  I would like to 
have a recording.  Please let me know at the following address if anyone
does.

Thanks,

pravin@clclris.chem.umr.edu
From: sumedha@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sonali P Talwalkar)
Subject: ****ARATI ANKALIKAR-TIKEKAR concert in Milwaukee****
Originator: sumedha@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:38:02 GMT

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                     India Music Society, Milwaukee 
                                
                                presents

                              VOCAL recital   

                                    by  

                        A R A T I   A N K A L I K A R     
                        - - - - -   - - - - - - - - -     
                              

                    Date    :  Friday, April 10th, 1992 
                    Time    :  8:00 pm 
                    Place   :  North Shore Presbyterian Church  
                               4048 N. Bartlett Ave.   
                                   
                    Tickets :  General  ... $12 
                               Members  ... $10
                               Students ... $6 
           

             For ticket reservations and more information, 
             please call : Saroj Kulkarni -- (414)351-5619
             or send me e-mail -- sumedha@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                  



"A musical talent seldom seen among artists of her age" was the way Arati 
Ankalikar was described at the time she won the first place award in a national
competition for Indian Classical Music in 1982. Since then, Arati has become 
one of the most sought after artists by the organizers of classical music 
programs and festivals all over India. 

With her fertile imagination, and disciplined and rigorous practice, Arati has
absorbed the richness of the three gharanas (Agra, Jaipur, and Gwalior) of 
singing khayals and has evolved an appealing style of her own. She is also 
impressive in rendering the light classical forms such as bhajan and thumri.             
  
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From: jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Musician Among Musicians
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:47:29 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr7.142014.11276@newstand.syr.edu> mrangasw@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Muralidhar Rangaswamy) writes:
>S.Pandian in his articles mentions that Balamuralikrishna is the musician among
>musicians. I wholeheartedly agree. It is worthwhile pointing out that he has
>done something that only the great musical luminary Muthuswamy Dikshitar has
>accomplished (i.e., composing songs in 72 Melakrata Ragas). Among other things,
>
>Muralidhar Rangaswamy

  This is not correct. Koteeswara Iyer has composed songs in all the 72
  melakarta ragas. In any case, I do not understand what is so great about
  composing songs in all those ragas. How many have heard even a handful of
  Koteeswara Iyer's songs ?  If Balamurali's songs are good (and I would
  expect them to be reasonably good..), time will prove that. If not, it is
  not a big deal.

  BTW, what have the experts said about those compositions ?  Do they bring
  out the ragabhava ?  Are the songs appropriate for the ragas ?  How many
  experts have enough knowledge to comment on the rarer Melakartas ? Just
  wondering.

  R. Jayakrishnan         Civil Engg, Univ of California, Irvine.
From: gangolli@frobenius.math.washington.edu (Ramesh Gangolli)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Correction to `Bhavayami..' lyrics.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:57:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle

In article <29E1EF34.21177@noiro.acs.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>In article <29DF5963.29570@orion.oac.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>
>    I find that there were a few silly mistakes in the `bhAvayAmi' lyrics
>    that I posted a couple of days back. I had a request from someone to
>    provide some meanings. Made me look through the whole stuff more 
>    critically. I find that there are some lines that I don't understand.
>    Anyone has some authoritative answers ?   May be a full line-by-line
>    translation ?  It seems to be a great piece for that..
>
>    The stuff follows.
>
>    Jay.         R. Jayakrishnan, Civil Engg, Univ of California, Irvine.
>
>
>> bhAvukavitaraNaparA
>> pAngalIlA lasitam
>
>    This could be  more correct as `ApAnga lIla..'.  Mr. Srinivasan Pichumani
>    told me this. Anyone knows exactly what that means ?
>
>> dinakarAnvaya tilakam
>> divyagAdhi suta savanA
>
>    What does the line `divyagAdhi..' mean ?
>
>> anakhamISa cApabhangam
>
>    This is my typo. It should be `anagha..'  meaning `blemishless' ?
>
>> khanakupita bhRugurAma
>
>    Typo here too. Should be `ghanakupita..'  meaning `heavily angry' ?
>
>> SuddhadhanyAsi
>
>    Oh no, Of course, it is dhanyAsi  (not `Suddha.., so it is impure ? :-)
>
>    Big mistake here. Apologies to everyone. I would like to think it was
>    because of my drowsiness at an early morning hour when I typed it.
>
>> vihatA abhishEkamadha
>> vipinagatam AryavAca
>
>    Anyone knows exactly what this means ?
>
>> sucarita khaTajadattAnu-
>> pamita vaishNavAstRam
>    
>    Should be `ghaTajadattAnupamita'.  `ghaTam' means `pot'. `ghaTaja(n)'
>    is `one who was born in a pot'. Isn't that agstya, the sage ?
>
>> atighOra SURppaNakha
>> vacanAgata harAtiharam
>
>    should be `kharAdiharam'. `khara(n)' was one of the three rAkshasas,
>    `kharAdi' referring to `khara(n) and others'.
>
>> anakha pampA tIrasangha-
>> tAanjanEya nabhOmaNi
>
>    Again, `anagha' is the correct one.  I do have a doubt whether it is
>    `tIrasangatAnjanEya..'.  `sangatam' would mean `on meeting'.
>
>> jvalanabhUta janakasutA
>
>    A couple of people pointed out to me that this could be `jvalanapUta'.
>    I still think it is `jvalanabhUta', meaning `born from flames'.
>    Of course sIta was born from the earth, but was `born again' from
>    the flames at agnipravESam.  I remember a story about the real sIta
>    being kept away by agnidEva, on rAma's request (as he knew about the
>    future), and the sIta that rAvana stole away being a `mAyAsIta'. Thus
>    sIta was effectively `born again' from the flames.  Am I correct in
>    this ?   In any case, I don't know what `pUta' would mean in Sanskrit.
>
>    Let's discuss..


-- 
Ramesh Gangolli (gangolli@math.washington.edu)
Dept. of Mathematics GN-50
University of Washington
Seattle WA 98195.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: mccombt@cs.rpi.edu (Todd McComb)
Subject: composers (was: Lyrics wanted..)
Organization: Rensselaer Mathematics Dept., Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:40:00 GMT

In article <PJN.92Apr10125930@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> pjn@cs.umd.edu writes:
>	While we are at it, why don't we compile a list of books on
>carnatic composers? We could have a category for books that list their
>compositions with meanings/swara notations in various languages,
>another for biographies of the composers, yet another for commentaries
>on them, etc. Such a list can get into the FAQ list also.

Please do.

-- 
Todd McComb                             mccombt@turing.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.1.1]
From: ssampath@taco.ucdavis.edu (Srikanth Sampath)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Carnatic Music : A brief introduction of its basic concept
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:42:30 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

>    It is generally quoted that Sruthi( melody ) is the mother of Indian 
> music and Laya (the rhythm ) its father. The varieties of Talas are 
> numerous -108 of them in rare of use and a few in common practice. As far as
> the language of the songs in Carnatic music is concerned, the original 
> compositions are mainly in Sanskrit, Telugu ,or Tamil.The songs are mostly
                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	I disagree with this. As far as I have heard, Purandaradasa is 
supposed to have composed over 4 lakh kritis of which only 1 lakh is available.
He has composed the maximum no. in Carnatic music and is referred to as 
the 'Pitamaha'.  I do not intend to start a war or fight for music does 
not know or have language barriers.  The more knowledgable are welcome to 
correct me.

srikanth
ssampath@poppy.ucdavis.edu


> of a devotional type- glorifying Gods, praising their personalities and
> beseeching their blessings.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Sundara Pandian.
> [sp2@cec1.wustl.edu]
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
_______________________________________________
Aa No Bhadraaha Kratavo Yantu Vishwataha
.Let Noble thoughts come to us from all sides
					- Rigveda
From: raghutp@hubcap.clemson.edu (Raghu Toppur)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: sruti (technically speaking)
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:30:33 GMT
Organization: Clemson University



	Based on my suspect understanding, Srutis are combinations
	of sa pa (as present on a tambura) with convenient phase differences,
	which generate many of the desired swaras. 

	But no matter how I try to figure it out, there doesn't 
	seem to be any basis for madhyamams except a leap of faith
	that 4/3 ratio will go well with the other swarams (not that it 
	doesn't..).

	Can someone comment on this line of reasoning ?



	
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From: mukherje@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Amit Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Raagmalas
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:18:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am curious about the nature of raagmalas. Are they valid compositions or
merely some combinations of raags which are more for the amusement of the
audience  ?  I haven't heard too many of them but I distinctly remember
a raagmala sung by Pt. Onkarnath Thakur which included Haamir, Des, Darbari,
Kalyan etc. It was quite interesting because the words in the composition
matched the raag being sung. Of course, there are lots of bhajans which do
have raag changes from stanza to stanza but I am interested in the classical
raagmalas, if there is anything like that.

A related issue is the sequence of raags sung at a concert. I have been told
that it is fairly difficult to sing bahaar and miya-ka-malhar one after the 
other due to the similarities in them. I wonder if this is true and if there
are other such groups of raags ?

Amit Mukherjee
From: pravin@usenet.umr.edu (Pravin Sitaram)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Sruthi magazine
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:35:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla

Hi,

This is in response to the question asked about Sruti magazine.  I do not have 
the address, but I definitely recommend the magazine to all Carnatic music
lovers.  The magazine covers almost everything concerned with music.  The have
features on artistes, reviews of concerts, tapes, forthcoming events and 
humor too.  

Its a good magazine to collect.

Pravin
From: Vijay_Anand@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Cleveland concert info request
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:39:48 GMT
Reply-To: vijay+@transarc.com
Organization: DEC Palo Alto
To: rec.music.indian.classical.usenet


Could someone from Cleveland who has some information about the
concert next weekend send me some of it. Particularly, I would like to
know how to get tickets, the time and directions to the place. 

Anyone else planning to attend this concert, if you know something
about this, please send me mail.

I will post a summary for the benefit of people who are interested.

Thanks,

Vijay