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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: holidays
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:35:14 EDT


Well, with the weather turning colder, I've been thinking
about the up coming holidays.  Well, what I'm really thinking
about is Christmas cookies.  I'm a real cookie monster and
now I'm wondering if I'll be able to eat any holiday goodies
without going nuts!  

I probably won't have to worry about it too much since I
haven't had the desire to do any holiday baking and
my aunt, who used to bake alot, has been losing weight 
following the diabetes exchange program (alot like WW)
says she's not going to do any baking this year.  But
how do I deal with this in the future?  Is it possible to
eat just one or two?  Should I go bad on the whole batch
but get back on the diet the next day??  Or should I just
never bake again?  I really have this awful feeling that
I can't eat just one cookie!  How have others dealt with this?

Margot
--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Shoes
Keywords: Walking
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:12:09 GMT

In article <1884@shaman.wv.tek.com> peggys@orca.wv.tek.com writes:
>Starting Monday my daughter & I will be starting a regular walking routine.
>We are going shopping this weekend to look at shoes and I would appreciate
>your help and advice as to what I should be looking for.  Comfort and support
>are by all means most important as I can get real cranky if my feet are 
>hurting.  What about cushion, shock absorbing, gel?  I also have a tendancy
>towards shin splints.  What do you walkers recommend and why?
>
>
>					Peggy
Hi Peggy,

I am a runner, but I have one recomendation, make sure the shoes
REALLY fit. Try on a whole bunch of shoes, walk around in them A LOT!

I have a hard to find size and occasionally have a difficult time
getting shoes in my size. I have compromised in a rush and gotten
shoes 1/2 size different. I just realized that it was causing some
painful problems directly associated to the 1/2-size-bigger-shoes.

I am going to be giving away two pairs of shoes that cost about 160
dollars and have only been worn 10-20 times each! Wear size 5 1/2 ???
:-)

rf


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: howard@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Howard)
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much? (was Re: inspiration)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:12:26 GMT

brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:

>My fasciititis (damn, there's a lot of "i's" in that word) seems to
>have stablized with some help.  I'm using an anti-inflammatory (Feldene),
>as well as orthotic arch supports.  I'm good for walking circa 4 miles
>a day, though I'll do less walking on the weekends where I can spend more
>time on the bike.

>I have to waqtch my pace; if my heels start hurting, I slow down.  I also
>have to be consistant on soaking my feet; if I skip a soak, I'll pay
>for it the next day.  Gave up on the long commute/walk once a week, so
>I'm getting my exercise primarily from the bike on weekdays.

>Pete Brooks


All right, what caused the inflammation of your heels?  I am having
the same problem - it was so bad that I couldn't even get up in the 
night without putting on my shoes - I went to wearing birkenstocks and
that has helped considerably!!!  I just got fitted for orthotic arch
supports - and am looking forward to wearing tennis shoes again so 
that I can go for walks.  Walking for distance in birkenstocks doesn't
c ut it for me - my foot slides to much in them.  When I was working
on another job I wore high heels for about (5) months - then I started
working here at the university on concrete floors without the right
support shoes - murder on your feet!!!!!  I have a bone spur on my 
right heel and that really started the whole thing - plus wearing those
stupid heels for that long being so heavy - the place where I worked 
you didn't wear flats - those guys don't know how hard heels are on 
your feet....

I read in a book - saw it at SAM's - and it was a health book - said
that the problem could be from caffine - what do you think????

bonnie

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Plateaus
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 21:05:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <6366@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>In article <63620050@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>>When I
>>started my fast, I weighed 393 pounds.  Without any exercise, maintenance
>>calories were [F/X: muttering, puching of calculator keys.] 4716 per day.
>>Now that I've hit my target of 195 pounds, maintenance calories are
>>2340 per day.  
>
>I'm sure you're speaking with a great deal more authority and knowledge
>than I am, but I have to wonder at that 4716 number.  With no exercise,
>a person who weighs 393 lbs can eat 4716 calories/day and not gain 
>weight?  Really?  How many Big Macs is that? :-> I don't doubt that a
>heavier person would need more calories to perform an equivalent
>amount of exercise as a person who weighed less. 

Hi John,

My mom and I are both about 5'1" tall. She weighs about 210 and I
weigh about 115. She will lose 3-4 lbs per week on a 1500 calorie
diet. I will lose about a pound per month with the same number of
calories.

It takes more calories to maintain a heavier person's weight. It is
like fuel, it takes more gas to drive a Limo than a bug...

sad,though! I wish i could get the same results for the same amount of
calories!

:-)

rf
From: murray@corner.wpb.fl.us (Murray Kahl)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: New Foods
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:53:42 GMT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

Has anyone heard of the new fats etc; that are supposed to have some
molecular change that keeps the taste intact, but makes it indigestable.
I heard that icecreams were among the first to use it.
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much?  (was Re: inspiration)
Date: 24 Sep 92 17:56:05 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Back when I walked (solely) for exercise, I tended to think in two modes:
The weekday walks were: getting to and from work, so I'd enjoy the
sights and sounds of the neighborhoods as I'd go to and from the
trolley station (helps if you live in a place enjoyable to you).  I'd
vary the route somewhat to keep stimulated.

The weekend routes were considered: exploring the neighborhood(s).  I'd
wander all around the place, and might do a 10 mile walk some evenings.
On days that I needed to do something else, I'd do a set route and
go for speed.  I'd think about something, and maybe plan the rest of
the day's activities, or something.  

Now that foot problems have curtailed most of my walking (a residue
of my foot commuste is left; trolley too and from work), the majority
of the walking is social; I have a partner at lunch time, and about
1-4 times a week he'll join me on the trek.  We have a set loop around
a parcourse at work, and we have to take measures to count the laps
when we get involved in discussions.

Now that I'm bicycling, the morning route is pretty fixed; I'll do
10 miles moderately quickly (I don't/can't ride quickly that early
in the morning), while the afternoon is variable; I'll do 15-25
miles, depending on time and whim.  I use this flexibility to change
routes to keep interested.

BTW, using shopping and housework to help with the "exercise" calories
is perfectly valid.  It's not as quick as walking (typical burn rates
are 1/3rd of a walk), but it's pretty doable.

Pete Brooks
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Help My Husband is Mean
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:48:55 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com

Kathy,

Sounds like Joe.  He is always saying stuff like, mom has a big butt.  Ha ha ha.

Well, if he only knew how much mom wishes it would go away.  Self Esteem can only
come from you.  How do I know, I am currently 70 lbs over weight.  I went to the
doctor, she says, well your cholesteral (sp) :.) is low, so don't worry about
being a little over weight.  Yah right!  Get a life doc.  Have you ever tryed
to find cute clothes.  No!  She is a thin person.

One of the things I have found that help me is this.  First have a picture taken
of yourself.  Yuck!  Then find a thin picture of yourself.  Then carry both of
them around with you.  When you feel hungry, (which is all the time) take out
both pictures.  Which one do you really want to look like?  If it is the thinner
person, have a drink of water.  Fill yourself up with water.  Go outside and
take a walk.

Another thing is this, don't ever say loose.  You can always find what you loose.

Say, release.  I choose to release the weight.  Releasing it is easy, and you don't
ever have to find it.  

Your husband doesn't have a clue of the walls he puts around you.  They are there,
they are just invisible.  Every negitive thing he says, puts another wall around
you.  So I say, carry a big hammer.  Everytime he says something mean, pretend
you have the hammer and break down the wall.  One of these times, he will stop and
ask you what you are doing.  Tell him he is putting up a wall, and you want to 
break it down so you can continue to release your weight.  Sounds funny doesn't it?

When you become that thinner person again, he will probably want you to gain it back.
Most men don't like thin wifes.  They think all men will be looking and wanting.

Remember, there is that thinner person within wanting that wall broken down, so they
can be released.

Keep on hammering,

Kathie  ;.)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Losing fat, not muscle
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:33:03 GMT

Beth Mazur asks:
>>	3) major depression, including two psychotic episodes
>>	and multiple hospitalizations --> reversed (although I
>>	still take antidepressants)
>>
>>	4) loss of my job, massive debts, and permanent change
>>        in lifestyle, as a result of #3 --> not reversed
>
>Do you mean to imply that 3 and 4 are common side-effects of VLCDs?

No, I don't mean that.  I don't understand how simply stating what
happened to me could constitute any sort of implication about statistical
likelihood.  My story is just one story--no more, no less.  I see it
as an important story for the *magnitude* of the catastrophe, though.
It's like the anecdotes about women (what is it, 10 of them so far?)
dying on the table during liposuction surgery.  Sure, it's unlikely
that you'll die of liposuction surgery.  But is getting thinner thighs
worth risking your *life* for?  I hope not!  I feel the same way about
the havoc that the Optifast diet wreaked in my life: no amount of
hypothetical pleasure attached to achieving a societal standard of
attractiveness, was worth risking my life for.  I wish I had known that
this was even *remotely* possible, as a consequence.

Post-partum depression, by the way, is usually quite mild--that is,
it usually doesn't include the more severe symptoms I experienced:
hallucinations, psychotic delusions, severe impairment in mental
functioning (e.g., I was incapable of reading, even just one page,
for well over a year), loss of all income-earning capacity--just to
name a few.

Does anyone have an update on the Federal Trade Commission's
investigation of deceptive advertising on the part of the "Big 3"
(Medifast, Optifast, and Ultrafast).  Last I heard, late last
year, evidence present in congressional subcommittee hearings
was calling the FTC on the carpet for not having better regulated
the diet industry.  

						--Fiona Webster
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Subject: Re: my husband is mean Update #2
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:47:33 GMT

CONGRATULATIONS!  Just remember, it will be easier getting the
baby here if you are in good shape.  And if you keep up the
good habits during the pregnancy, it should be even easier once
the baby arrives.

One of my neighbors, who has always walked and/or jogged introduced
me to her son when he was about 3 weeks old.  She took him in a
carriage and did her walking with him and his 2-year-old sister,
whom I had met the same way when she was about 8 months old (that's
when they moved into the neighborhood).  She came by the whole time
she was pregnant with Adam and I have never seen such a beautiful
woman.  By the time she came back after he was born, most of the
distention was gone and within 6 weeks of my first seeing her, she
was back to her pre-pregnancy trim self.  She said then that she was
glad she had "stayed in training".

Scotti
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Fat Substitutes
From: VSANNICE@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Annice Grinberg)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:32:05 GMT
 <1992Sep20.200554.864@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <Dina.Apple.com-250992151939@jabberwocky.apple.com.>
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science

In article <Dina.Apple.com-250992151939@jabberwocky.apple.com.>
Dina.Apple.com (Dina Bach) writes:

>
>In article <1992Sep20.200554.864@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) wrote:
>>
>> Simplesse Ice Cream is good, but tastes just a little funny.
>>
>> J.P.
>
>It doesnUt taste funny.  It tastes terrible. imho.  IUd rather have 2 small
>licks of the real thing than the Simplesse stuff thatUs out there.
>
>Dina

Maybe my taste buds are underdeveloped, but I found that Simplesse
vanilla fudge was very satisfying when I wanted a treat.  That was
when I was living in the L.A. area last year.  Now I am back home
in Israel, where they are very behind in manufacture of fat-free
foods, and all I can get is frozen yogurt with either 1/2 or 2 per-
cent fat and lots of sugar.

Annice
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Need motivation
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:58:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <7576@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:
>I'm in dire need of motivation.  

As someone else pointed out here a while back, there are times in ones
life when undertaking a diet may not be a good idea.  If you're under a
lot of stress already from other life issues then changing eating habits
may be too much to ask.  Your description of "one major stress after
another" makes me wonder whether this would be the right time for
you to start a diet.  It may be one more stress that you really don't
need...

>HELP.  I am absolutely disgusted with myself, both by the way I look
>and also that I've lost the self-control I gained when I successfully 
>joined Weight Watchers.  How do I get that control back?  

I think a lot of self-confidence is necessary to sustain a diet.  I'd
urge you to reconsider if being 35 lbs overweight is a reason to be
"absolutely disgusted" with yourself.  It isn't, not by a long shot
and those feelings may be sabotaging your efforts.  Give yourself a
break; be a little selfish.  It's allowed.  Be an advocate for yourself,
not a prosecutor....

>Any suggestions/ideas?

Skip the programs unless your doctor advises it.  Read "mainstream"
books on nutrition such as _Jane Brody's Nutrition Book_ and
try to heed their advice.  Start walking every day and stick to it 
forever.  Don't expect quick results.  Don't try to run your life
like a Marine boot camp; make sure you have *some* fun!
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barbara Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: carpal tunnel syndrome?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:36:44 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm going in for a test next Tues to see if I have Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome. For the last several nights my arms have hurt so badly that
last night I finally resorted to taking one of my husband's leftover
tylenol with Codiene pills from when he hurt his back.

I'm scared I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I'm scared I *don't* have it.
I'm scared that my arms will hurt this bad forever. I'm scared that my
hands will deteriorate to where I can't do my job or do the things I
enjoy (like cross-stitching). My hands fall asleep just holding the
phone, driving the car, etc. I can't hold a book long enough to read 1/2
a page, and I read fast. My hands are cold, and they're usually *hot*.
Now my fingers are like ice. Does carpal tunnel do that? I'm scared that
I'm so fat, that the fat is compressing the blood vessels and starving
my hands and arms. This is really stressful, and when I'm under stress I
want (a) chocolate (b) ice cream (c) milk products. I wandered the house
half the night alternately rubbing my arms and searching for some kind
of "comfort food" (which I didn't find because I hadn't bought any last
time I went to the store in an effort to try to lose weight). My husband
is in Oklahoma (about 1,100 miles away) for 9 weeks for a training
course. Arg. I've had problems with my arms aching in the past, but the
last time it was bad at all was the time I painted the shed. This time,
all I've been doing is housecleaning. And not really excessive amounts
of that, either. 

My arms hurt during the day, but it's unbearable at night. I think that
the pain might be the same, it's just that during the day I have other
input to distract me, and at night, there is nothing to distract me. I
find that a heating pad helps a little, but it seems like it helps only
in that it gives my brain something else to feel -- if I take the
heating pad off the arm, the pain floods back and then recedes again
when I put the heat back on. Problem is, I can't get the heating pad to
make good enough contact to allow me to sleep. It has ties on it, but I
need two hands to tie it on ... and I suspect I'm not thinking so
clearly at 2am desperately trying to go to sleep. 

Suggestions? Hints? Survival stories? Just have to live until Tuesday
and then we'll see. 

--Barb--
From: moy@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gloria J. Moy,N.DORM C3,(212)9983456,)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: church pressure
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:53:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


Lenore,

	Hi! I'm not in the same boat you are in, but I was in a similar
situation....I've been going to the same church for the past year and a
half. I got active when I joined this fundamentalist church, I
volunteered my services for some church activities.   About six months
after helping out, I was accused by some people that I wasn't doing my
"job" and that I was trying to take out. During a month of that time I
was home with a cast on my leg, recovering from surgery. Anyway, no one
had the decency to call and see if I was okay. So, a meeting was called
with the pastor who was in charge of the mininstry to discuss this. The
two people involved, besides me, denied that the stuff said about me,
they didn't say. Well, it hurt like hell and I really got to see their
true colors. I was deeply hurt and had a great distrust for the church.
At the time, I was also suffering from undiagnosis acute depression.
Well, I would go back to that church, but I really couldn't do it, it
was too painfully. On top of that situation, I also couldn't deal with
the putting down of Gays and Lesbians and those who are abortion
activists. Their intolerance gave me a reason to leave that church.
Today, I am attending The Metropolitian Community church in New York,
which caters to the Gay and Lesbian community. Its been a good send as
I dealing with my sexuality-finding out that I am a lesbian. and its
good to find a place to worship God, where I am accepted for who I am.

Keep looking, Leonore. Take care.

-gloria
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: a friend with a hang-up
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:24:24 GMT

I had an old friend over the other night, and I feel really sad
about how she treated me.  This is one of those female friends 
with whom I once had a very close relationship, but now she lives
in another state, and we haven't been that close in several years.
The last time I saw her, about a year ago, I weighed exactly the
same as I do now, but for some strange reason--entirely in her
own head, I assume--she reacted oddly to my size during this
recent visit.  She's much too discreet to have actually *said*
anything directly, but two indirect messages were very strong:

	1) she kept complimenting my husband, over and over again,
on how he looked "exactly the same" as wheshe'd last seen him,
some five years ago, and especially was impressed that he'd "stayed
thin";

	2) she didn't say a *word* about my own personal appearance--
not a comment about my jewelry, my scarf, my blonder-than-usual-since-
Hawaii hair, *nothing*--which is very unusual for a friend with whom
I had one of those "Hey! You're looking good!" chummy relationships,
and also unusual given how much I ooh-ed and aah-ed over her silk blouse,
new shoes, etc.

I know her well.  I know she has a hangup about fatness--because she's
struggled to keep her own weight down, and is usually in the mildly
chubby range.  I know that she was distracted by my size, distracted
from being able to perceive much else about me--what I'm doing these
days, how happy I am, etc.  This makes me sad.  There's nothing to
do about it--I don't have enough contact with her to help her with
some consciousness-raising a la Naomi Wolf's _The_Beauty_Myth_--but
it's worth noting: the issue of fat seems to be a barrier, now, between
me and a very dear friend.

							--Fiona
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Doctors
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:50:01 GMT


Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with doctors?  I have a
tremendous fear of encountering another of the "lose 50 pounds and call me
in the morning" breed and I find myself putting off making an appointment
for the annual gyn exam (not exactly pleasant even without the weight issue)
as a result.

Names of specific doctors at Southern California (ideally West L.A.) Kaiser
would be ideal, but, barring that, what's worked for other folks in finding
non-hostile medical care?

Miriam Nadel
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: On the nature of cellulose/cellulite from a skinny guy
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 06:57:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

>I have one thing to say about "cellulite":  dimples.

>Repeat after me: dimples.

>The c-word is stupid-sounding, and it promotes a negative concept
>of normal, cute-people body fat.  Don't dignify it by allowing it
>to be part of your vocabulary.

BTW.....

Q: What do you call a car phone that shows you the way through the dark?

A: Cellu-Light <evil grin>

   Someone could actually make a fat profit off something like this.
   <real evil grin>

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	{elfcat|arcolter}@aol.com
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"