HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ngopalas@ha10.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Were there universities in India before the British went?
Keywords: world
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.182422.21306@ugle.unit.no>, thaya@Siri.Unit.NO (Thayanantha Balasundaram) writes:
|> In article <BuKoM3.384@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|>  > 
|>  > 
|>  >    Well
|>  >    As an American
|>  >    I am 
|>  >    
|>  >    "Well,
|>  > 
|>  > 
|>  > ---peter
|>  > 
|>  > 
|>  > 
|>       you do not have rights to post here. understand! 
|> 
|>       President of the United States of America
|>       your sincierly 
|>       thayanantha

Right, I always thought the LTTE loved hijacking, this is clearly borne out
by this character. He has hijacked this group and is holding us all to ransom.
Please somebody save us from this loonie, please. Hey LTTE buddy, go bite on
that cyanide capsule of yours and save us some trouble. :-)

Nath.

-- 

ZZtop, Pink F, LedZep, Queen are wimps!!	e-mail: ngopalas@buster.eng.ua.edu
Gimme Guns n Roses anyday!
/Earth is 98 percent full...  please delete anyone you can.
Disclaimer:  Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: MADHURI DIXIT JOINING UT,AUSTIN ?
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:34:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.130124.1@tesla.njit.edu> txd6871@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>I just heard from a friend that filmstar Madhuri dixit is joining UT, Austin,
>for her BS/MS. Could anybody throw some light on this?


No I havent given her permission to leave detroit.


>If it's true, then the grad office at UT, will have a tough time to
>manage thousands of transfer requests from other schools..

Dont tell anyone that she is here in detroit.  Here the univ
housing is collapsing under severe demand from excesss Indian students...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: ndua@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: AMMU LOOKING FOR ANUJA.
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:59:59 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Hello! network gurus!
   I am looking for Anuja,who is a graduate from DCE '91 batch.
                         Thanx, in advance.
                                             Bye,
                                                  Ammu.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: Should Indian states need more autonomy?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:37:00 GMT

In article <Bu2L5q.Fp3@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>
>Where such dismissal occurred,
>it occurred because the party in power at the state lost majority
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(as in the case of NT Rama Rao govt),
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is totally untrue. You have bought the Congress propaganda at its
face value. Either that, or you are not simply aware of the facts.
There is absolutely no truth to your claim.
The fact is when NTR government was dismissed in 83-84, he had an
absolute majority. He actually paraded all the state MLAs before
the president and demanded an explanation. The president said that
there was no provision in the Indian constitution, that would allow
him to take a head count in Rashtrapthi Bhavan lawn on such matters.
Eventually NTR was reinstated and he proved his majority on the
assembly floor.  The real problem is, Indian electortate have a rather
short memory or too forgiving.


In 60s/70s democratically elected punjab governments were dismissed
three times (?) each time  to make sure that Cong9I) led alliance
ruled the state. Each such dismissal was slap on the face of the
democracy.

Even if we agree that center can dismiss state governments that
lost majority, it would still be questionable, if the ruling party
at the center engineered such a shift in majority, by blatant
horse trading etc. Unfortunately the truth when the Gandhi dynasty
ruled India, a lot of that happened; India always was and still is
-to a large extent- a pseudo democracy, just because of such
engineered defections.

>or the
>state govt were playing hand-in-glove with the terrorist organizations
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(more specifically the fascist Karunanidhi govt and
>his terrorist cousins LTTE)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All this is speculation. Nothing has been proven. Do not base your
arguments on such specualtion. Did Rajiv accept Bofors
kickbacks? There are numberous allegations and a lot of circumstantial
evidence and cover-ups (Solanki, and just recently the Delhi High
court order).

If you do NOT have the decency to accuse publicly that  Rajiv did
take Bofors kick-backs, you have no business/moral right to be accusing
Karunanidhi or anyone else for that matter on the basis of
unproven allegations and charges.

This actually applies to all of us, not just you. Whatever way you
treat Rajiv is how you should treat every other Indian citizen.
If want to give Rajiv the benefit of  doubt, do the same for
everyone else (regardless of your feelings/attitudes towards
that person).


Finally, both Rajiv and Indira Gandhi played with fire and got burned.
Rajiv supported LTTE when it suited him; Indira supported Bhindranwale
when it suited her.
Their political gambles did not pay off.  Why just blame Karunanidhi?
From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: CNN India office?
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:46:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCSU Project Eos

Hi,
Today I was surprised to see 2 items on Headline News, about India. One
was on the Indian film industry at 630am,(they interviewed Shyam Benegal, 
Yash Chopra, and Madhuri Dixit (woke me up alright!))
The other was on Medha Patkar's efforts in the Narmada Valley campaign.
Both the items got more than 3 minutes, which was much longer than I expected.

Now, has an Indian office opened for CNN, and can we expect more coverage
of news,Indian?

that would be good..:)


-harsh deshmane
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Harshavardhan Deshmane                                 I had a signature
ECE Dept.,                                             it became an address:(
North Carolina State University.                       had@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
From: sawhney@cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: H4 (spouse visa) question...
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:41:13 GMT
Organization: COINS, UMass, Amherst



Hi NetFolks,

Could anyone please tell me if one's spouse who is on
H4 visa, is allowed employment under the new rules ?
I was told that under the old rules this was not allowed.
Has this changed ?

PLEASE reply by email to SAWHNEY@CS.UMASS.EDU

Many thanks,
Harpreet
.......
From: raghu@uts.amdahl.com (Raghu Bathina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Swami Dayananda Lecture
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: raghu@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Raghu Bathina)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


 Swami Dayananda, a traditional teacher of Vedanta, will be
holding a five-night talk series on FREEDOM AND RELATIONSHIPS.

 Topic: Freedom and Relationships
 Dates: Sept. 11-15, 1992.
 Time:  7:30pm - 9:00pm.

 Location: St. John's Presbyterian Church
	   2727 College Ave.
	   Berkeley, CA

 Admission is FREE and donations are welcome.

FOR MORE INFO CALL: (510)533-5334  or (510)843-3932

Sponsered by Arsha Vidya Pitham, a nonprofit organization dedicated
to the traditional teaching of Vedanta and Sanskrit.
From: randy@us.Eng.Sun.COM (Randy Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Vishnu
Date: 8 Sep 1992 21:18:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: randy@us.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: us

Can someone tell me if Vishnu is the god whose dream is the universe? If not,
who is that deity who is dreaming us all up?

I would like to use this as an example of a reflective metaphor in an upcoming talk.

Please reply to Randall.Smith@eng.sun.com.

THanks!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gnrg7661@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Guru N. Rao )
Subject: Will someone from Univ. of Utah at Salt Lake City help me!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:49:09 GMT

Hi:
My friend will come to the University of Utah on  or around the 
21st of this month. Would some "kind soul" come forward and offer  
help to get her started at the University.  Please send e-mail to 
rguru@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu and I will give more details about my
friend's arrival plans.  Thanks a lot and sure I owe you one if you
help my friend out. 
--G. N. Rao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 21:47:15 GMT
 edu> <1992Sep3.235715.23815@massey.ac.nz> <92251.123814RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: sati
Summary: sati
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Rohit Parikh Writes:
>You raised some good points.  I certainly grant you that one can
>use `force' without using force.  But once we expand the notion
>of force to include influence as well, then is there anything
>left?  Not much in any case. We are all influenced by our
>parents, our teachers, our friends, etc. etc.  If we call it all
>`brain-washing'  (I am not saying you do) then there is little
>left of free-will.  

Post Modern philosophers will argue that what U are consists of
prejudices handed down to U by society ('good' and 'bad'). That
there is little free-will if any. You might have 'choices' - but
the choices have been handed down to U by society. 

To get around accepting society's influences we must study the
history and birth of all our prejudices. We must interpret using
our own assumptions and reach our own conclusions. We have to
reanalyze history from the historians perspective to our own.
This might help us in understanding why sati (as in burning of
brides) was encouraged at a certain period in history. Prejudices
change, due to a change in the power structure(often quoted as
the main/only reason), which made a) sati common practice and
later further changes in the power structure lead to b) its
redundancy.


>I saw the movie `Agnes of God' yesterday. 
>Such issues are VERY well handled.  Who represents Agnes, her
>mother superior?  Jane Fonda, playing Dr. Livingstone?  Agnes'
>mother, who seems to have abused her as a child?  The questions
>are complex and I do not have any final answers. 
 
I saw it a few years ago - Had a terrible time interpreting/
understanding it.

>Rohit Parikh 

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: News@ugle.unit.no (Deep Third Sand)
Subject: our
Keywords: plot
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 13:53:28 GMT

we have only 100% gandhiyam.

gandhiyam :=: cash
cash :=: 100% truth

only Unread news in soc.culture.tamil             
chief
From: kseshadr@oracle.uucp (Krishnan Seshadri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Tax implications of donating to India
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: kseshadr@oracle.uucp (Krishnan Seshadri)
Distribution: na
Organization: Oracle Corporation (Federal Division), Bethesda, MD
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Does anyone know the tax implications of donating money to India, when
the institution you want to donate to is probably not known to the IRS ?

Is there some formal way of proving that you donated X dollars to a non-
profit organization ? I would appreciate any/all information as I need
to do this fairly soon.

Thanks in advance

Krishnan



A

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kseshadr@us.oracle.com     

Voice:       (301) 913-5017
From: smsriv@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov (Rakesh Srivastava)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Travel by Thai/Customs at Calcutta
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:53:57 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]


I need some info on travel by Thai Airways. My wife and 7 year old
son will be travelling on Thai in last week of Nov. on Thai. At
Bangcock there is an 11 hour stay (arr 11:59 pm dep. 11:00 am). The
airline will be providing a hotel. So the questions are following

1. What are the visa requirements?

2. Should one get the visa here in US or at the airport in Bangcock?

3. How far is the hotel from airport and how does one get there? Is there
a courtsey shuttle for the hotel or does one need a cab?

4. How easy or difficult this whole process is? How is the service on Thai?

Any helpful suggestions and hints are welcome. Please send your experiences
if you done this.

Thai will be flying in into Calcutta. Anyone have any experience with
Calcutta customs?

Thanks for your info. Please email. If there is enough interest will post.

Rakesh Srivastava
smsriv@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign (Why no one has answered?)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:27:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.095017.24406@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>
>
>WHY NO ONE HAS ANSWERED MY FOLLOWING QUESTION?
>
>WHY EVERYONE IS AVOIDING TO GIVE ANSWER?
>
>
>
>>This question can is as silly as any kid can ask.
>
>>This is fundamental fact that Kashmir is a colony of India and PAkistan.
>>The people of Kashmir never joined with India or Paksitan.
>
>
>>One question will make everything clear.
>
>
>>In 1947-48 period, Sardar Patel(the Home Minister) joined
>>Junagadh(whose Nawab wanted to join with Pakistan)
>>and 
>>Hyderabad Deccan(whose Nawab wanted to remain independent)
>>with India .
>
>>He said if the people of Junagadh and Hyderabad wanted to join with
>>India then these regions had to join with India.
>
>>He was the mastermind behind three way attack on Hyderabad Nizam.
>
>>While in the Kashmir he made all agreement with the PM of Kashmir.
>
>
>>Where the people of Kashmir gone?
>
>>WHERE IS THE TRUTH, Mr. Harsh and all those who advocate wrong propaganda?
>
>
>
>
>Bye
>Adil


Firstly, we people have work to do..we are not waiting with bated breath
for the next "clever" question from australia.

Now, what is the question? Where the people of kashmir have gone?
The minorities were persecuted out of there..the rest of them are
presumably preparing for winter.( with those wonderful "internal stove" things,
anybody else knows/seen them?).

If you are askng about why Sardar Patel did what he did, what do you think
I am, some medium to talk to his spirit and ask him ?

For your next qs, dear lost soul, the search for TRUTH is an eternal one,
and I wouldnt be breaking back working here, if *I* knew the answer,
\ref{ arindam for guidance; maybe he has some clues}

Besides the PM of Kashmir was the people's leader and was not oppressing them.
unlike in junagad,etc.

what about my other stupid question: where are you from?
Why do have this strong suspicion that you have never seen Kashmir, forget
about the "plight" of Kashmiri people.

While you are at the "freedom for all terrorists thing", why arent you
stridently screaming for Sindhi freedom in pakistan, or kurd freedom in 
iraq. or whichver is the minority in afghanistan?

Reading your postings, i feel that inexplicably the sole satisfying thing
in your life would be to see india in  disarray. Care to explain why?
Mr.Adil?

-harsh deshmane 

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Harshavardhan Deshmane                                 I had a signature
ECE Dept.,                                             it became an address:(
North Carolina State University.                       had@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kudu@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dr. GeeKay)
Subject: Re: Should Indian states need more autonomy?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 20:39:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary

In article <1992Sep2.155100.5571@oracorp.com> narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>In article <3379@creatures.cs.vt.edu> juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug30.202729.519@udel.edu> godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>To sum up, I don't think Kashmir should be treated specially. We need to
>>treat all the states equally. I am in favour of autonomy to every state
>>including Kashmir.
>>
>>
>>>Ruchir.
>>
>>Ramana
>
>This is interesting! There is lot of political talk on autonomy,
>but no body mentions how much autonomy there is already in
>the fedaral framework.
>
>States are allowed to tax and raise revenues! 
>
But states are not allowed to have their own economic policies without
central intervention.

>States are allowed to spend their own way the moneys acrueing
>to them.
>
But they are not allowed to let private industries start, operate, 
restructure, raise equity inside and outside India, and allow foreign 
participation without central intervention at every stage (in most 
industries). Heck, states are not even allowed freedom in financing
patterns of state government-run industries (like for example, raising
equity from the public, and selling off infrastructure industries).

>States are allowed to police! The federal government does not police
>states! It is because the states are thoroughly incompetent in enforcing
>the law and order that time and again the center had to step in.
>
An excuse used too often for central intervention in policing.

>What kind of autonomy that people are talking about that is not delivered
>in the fedaral constitutional framework! 
>

See above.

>...kt


-- 
Dr. GeeKay (kudu@enel.UCalgary.CA)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rehill@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Amardeep Singh Rehill)
Subject: looking for Mr. CHAMAN CHOOTIA
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:58:26 GMT

hello fellow desi netters,
                            looking for a dear friend of mine, last heard
of at intel  . if you are out there CHAMAN CHOOTIA, please respond quickly.
the girl you married to get your green card is trying to sue you!
the lawyer is one m. jayakumar .

            this lawyer is demanding a hefty fee, buddy. the girl is 
really mad at you ....!! suggest you act fast and get this situation under
control.










 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Sanskrit and Unity of INDIA
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution:  world
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:07:14 GMT


Why Hindi Should be the national language.
1] Because majority can speak variants of it.
2] Because <What else?>

Against Hindi.
1] Because some people dont like what #1 above means to their `linguistic culture'.
2] A significant minority cannot speak hindi (though a big chunk of these guys
	can understand bits and peices-- provided one uses allahabadi hindi).
3] The manner in which  Hindi is being `installed' as a national-link.



Why samskritam should be the national language.
1]  Allmost all languages have significant influence originating from it.
2]  It is a neutral `outsider'
3]  In the future of world of computers, nothing is gonna help our country better.

Against Samskritam.
1]  A lot of dravidians see it as the chinham(mascot) of the `enemy' (Aryan).
2]  Except of AkashvaNi, no one knows how to speak or understand it, much less
	know how to spell it.
3]  Its too sophisticated.  Words like fuck and shit cannot be expressed in
	simpel mool-dhaatu's  (You perhaps need to use complex sandhi's!!!).
	People are dumb.  If buddhism can become extinct, then samskritam deserves
	to be too...



Why tamil should be the national language.
1]  Its the first language (sophisticated enough for all purposes) in this subcontinent.
2]  Because <what else?>

Against tamil.
1]  The current tamil is NOT the tamil that was.
2]  The percemtage of tamil speaking population ?
3]  Tell the hindi people this and hang on to your life.
	.ver heard of installed base ?


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Summary: Not the reason why Sheikh Abdullah was arrested
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:32:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.183921.28879@ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:

>>>When Shaikh Abdullah stood for the people of Kashmiris right he was sent
>>>to jail.
>>
>>No he was sent to jail for sedition---for supporting groups advocating that
>>Kashmir be joined with Pakistan.
>
>He was imprisoned, after being arrested for the murder in jail of Shyamaprasad
>Mukherjee, who was the leader of the Hindu Mahasabha at that time.  The reason
>wh he had been arrested was because of the fact,  that he had entered Kashmir,
>in defiance of Sheikh Abdullah's writ that no Indian would be allowed to enter
>Kashmir.
>
>
>Regards,
>Vivek.

FALSE!  B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T, in fact.  You could do well to learn your history.
First,  all investigations, including his doctor's statement, show that
Shyamaprasad Mookherji was *not* murdered.  He was already in poor health, and
had been advised not to march into J&K with his band of Mahasabha (or Jana Sangh?)
volunteers who wanted to force the issue by establishing colonies, specifically Hindu
settlements to change the demographics, in Kashmir.  Mookherji was arrested for
violating a ban on doing so (not entering Kashmir but leading a "yatra" to start
settlements).  He died in prison, his already poor health compounded by the fact
his lungs could not acclimatize to the lower oxygen content.

Secondly, Sheikh Abdullah was not arrested for the "murder" of Shyamaprasad Mookherji.
He was arrested for advocating secessionism (and perhaps actually because of his covert
discussions with the CIA and other intelligence agencies).

- Sanjiva
--
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European Computer Industry Research Centre		Off: +49 89 92 69 91 58
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From: parimala@sun490.fdu.edu (parimala jayamaruthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info. required
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:06:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fairleigh Dickinson University


hi!

could someone tell me what is meant by agricultural visa and is true
that once you are on such a visa you renew it every year for validation.
Please lemme know more about it!!

thanks in anticipation,

parimala.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: wcidbo@daedalus.corp.sgi.com (Pratik Jain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Why the world should be grateful to the USA!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:50:42 GMT
Reply-To: pratik@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics I/S

You are included in my kill file !!

Pratik Jain

In article <1992Sep08.214728.23672@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, horne@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Horne) writes:
|> I have recently subscribed to soc.culture.indian.  After reviewing
|> many of the articles posted to this group, I have the following
|> statements to make:
|> 
|>        The USA is great!!  The world should be thankful to
|>        them for keeping the peace and new world order 
|>        especially in the Middle East.  George Bush is a 
|>        wonderful President and Peace Keeper.
|> 
|> This post is in response to all previous articles criticizing the
|> great nation of the United States of America.  Your views are
|> welcome.  
|> 
|> 
|> The company I work for does not necessarily agree with the above
|> views (although they should).  These are my personal views.