HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Nov10.192411.4347@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.184153.14490@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>Since the Myers-Briggs is by far the most developed and dominant system
>>employed today, I'd suggest that we call the newsgroup:
>>
>>alt.myers-briggs
>>
>>or
>>
>>alt.personality.myers-briggs
>>
>>or
>>
>>alt.psychology.myers-briggs
>
>I think the name's a little esoteric.

Darn straight.  If you're intending to encourage discussion of other systems
as well as the Myers-Briggs, you'd better not call it anything with
myers-briggs in the title, or *some* people (like me :-P) will get tee'd off
and decline to participate.

>>I am also open to consider a more generic newsgroup name as well.
>>Suggestions are HIGHLY ENCOURAGED (please post your suggestions to
>>alt.config).  One generic name I thought of could be called:
>>
>>alt.personality-types

Too long!

>How about alt.personality-tests ?
>That might be a bit Scientological, but they are one of the foremost
>practitioners of techniques like this.  It's even one of their street
>techniques.  Fits right in IMO.

Too long!

>alt.psychology.metrication?

"Metrication?" Sir, I'll meet you in alt.usage.english at dawn.  Sarcasm at
ten paces. :-)

>Maybe IQ measurement systems and other systems of measurement of selected
>psychological/psychiatric parameters belong here, too.

There's a word for psychological tests in general, and that word is
"psychometrics."  However, that includes things like IQ tests, the Rorschach,
the TAT--fascinating stuff, but just a little more complex than the
Myers-Briggs and similar "naive" psychometric instruments, and therefore not
really appropriate for a layperson-oriented group.  IMHO, the MMPI is on the
borderline; I personally think that including it would be a good and useful
idea, but I can see why some might disagree.

BTW, the Myers-Briggs is *not* the most developed personality-measuring
instrument; the MMPI, with all the sundry subscales that have been devised for
it since its invention in the '60s, has had roughly an order of magnitude more
written about it.

	Seth "the Lesser"

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
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    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Subject: Proposal: alt.tv.infomercials
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:19:00 GMT

alt.tv.infomercials is an unmoderated newsgroup which was proposed in
alt.config on 13 October.  There were no objections to its creation.
With that in mind, this newgroup is being issued for its creation.  For
your newsgroups file:

alt.tv.infomercials		Discussion of product "info-mercials"

alt.tv.infomercials is a newsgroup for discussing (and possibly even
flaming) the merits of infomercials, which are half-hour paid 
advertisements for products and services, usually presented under the 
guise of being talk shows, and usually airing late at night on cable TV.  
Topics which can be discussed here are the production values and comedy 
values of the shows, the merits of the products being advertised and 
anything else that's relevant.

This newgroup is being issued by the news admin here in the interest of
seeing propagation at those sites which only honor newgroups issued by
site admins.  However, queries for information should be directed to the
proposer of the group, Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the course of the next few days, I will be re-introducing groups
originally proposed by Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.   If, after three
days, there is a favorable response, I will be issuing newgroups for these
groups.  If, after three days, there is no response, I will assume that there
is no interest in these groups.  Responses can be posted (preferred) to
alt.config or mailed to mike@raven.alaska.edu.  My apologies to Sean Ryan for
the delay in starting this process.

Neither I nor the University of Alaska-Fairbanks neither condemn nor condone
any of the proposed newsgroups.
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Xref: sparky alt.config:6811 rec.nude:5521
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.nude
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Summary: Crossposted to rec.nude
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <zsSArArOBh107h@momad.UUCP>, taz@momad.UUCP (Jon N.) writes:

> I'll put in a yes vote.  Have you asked on rec.nude?  They may (or may not) be
> interested.  Anyway, I think it would be a great idea as long as none of the
> posted pictures were sexual.

If there were genuine interest in this group, I would carry it.  Assuming
that this would be the place to post your pictures of your last naturist
vacation, etc.

However I feel that this group is being proposed more to avoid the dangers
of posting "kiddy-porn" to an "erotica" group rather than to meet the needs
of naturists.  If this proposal did not come on the heels of the kiddy-porn
"RUKO.GIF" posting I would take it far more seriously.

I would not want to see "erotic" postings in an alt.binaries.nude group.  But
I get the feeling that it would indeed be populated with much of what is now
in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.  For if the "regular fare" of a.b.p.e were
to be placed in the proposed group "nude == sex" would be reinforced.

If the readers of rec.nude were to endorse this proposal, I would take it
far more seriously as well.

(Note that this message has been cross-posted to rec.nude -- please edit
your followup line appropriately).

Terry
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Something needs to be done
	<1992Oct29.105633.6563@ms.uky.edu>
	<1992Oct29.193806.28083@das.harvard.edu>
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:01:48 GMT

In <1992Oct29.193806.28083@das.harvard.edu> bochner@das.harvard.edu
(Harry Bochner) writes:

   But since uunet accepts and propogates _everything_, my refusing to
   propagate a group has little effect.

UUNET "officially" carries the groups in its active file, which are
put there mostly under my control.  We do not propagate what we junk.

A copy of our active file is placed nightly in ftp.uu.net:/news/active.Z.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,rec.nude
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:01:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.180533.11869@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jrc1947@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|> You could call it alt.binaries.pictures.naturalist and maybe be really clear.
|> This is not sarcasm, honest.  Such a group would be essentially nudism or
|> "naturalism" which is the word for it now.  It would further sink a.b.p.e.
|> into the "pit of degradation" which some people want to see.   Hell, that's
|> what it was for.

Actually, it's 'naturist'. Naturalists study nature - naturists just live
as closely to it as we can.

I am opposed to these proposals.

Some time ago, there was a plan to split alt.binaries.erotica up by
subject material (I belive that time it was male vs feamle, plus another
non-sexual group). It didn't work. People crossposted to both or all
three or whatever because some sites might not carry them all, and, God
knows, *everyone* wanted to see these images!

So now we propose to create a group with the naturist or nude tags, and
strongly suspect that they will contain porn. Many will view this as
reinforcement of the 'nude == lewd' argument that we are fighting all
the time, and our jobs as nudists or naturists will become all the more
difficult.

Interestingly, I think most gif images of adults I've seen *are* sexual. 
Thus I suspect that most of the images posted will be of children, where 
the sexual nature of the image is merely suggested (and that to those with
prurient interest). And, again, assumed by those with an axe to grind.

Sorry, but the internet, and the North American society, are probably not
ready for this yet. If naturists and nudists can make further progress
on this and other related issues, perhaps a time will come when these
images may be transmitted in a public media.

Please note the Newsgroup list, and edit it appropriately depending on
your response.

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Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.transgendered
From: cddukes@c00523-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous)
Subject: Re: Another listing of newsgroups in the "alt" Usenet hierarchy
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:27:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.110517.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (M. Otto, "Virtual Prisoner of the VAX") writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.232235.28514@becker.GTS.ORG>,
> news@becker.GTS.ORG (The Society for Reviling ATnT) writes:
>> Archive-name: alt-newsgroups
>> Last-modified: 7 Nov 1992 by news@becker.gts.org
>> 
>> 
>> Here's another listing of newsgroups in the "alt" news hierarchy,
>> as it appears from one site.  Note that this listing may well be
>> quite different if prepared on your system.  No attempt to make any
>> recommendations is implied by this list; it is for informational
>> purposes only.
>> 
>> 
>> There are 659 groups shown, as well as 225 aliases (indicated
>> by "=" beginning the text field).  The count of articles received
>> here so far is in the second field, if the line describes an actual
>> "active" file entry.
>> 
>  
>  [ most of list deleted ]
>
>> alt.sex.trans		0000035	Transsexuality.
>
>  [ more deletions ]
>
>> alt.transgendered		=alt.sex.trans
Wonderful and this list is being maintained by the twit that believes
that alt.* should be forever (Which could be his downfall one of these
days).  When I created alt.transgendered it was for the intention of
NOT drawing the folks that subscribe to ANYTHING in the alt.sex
hierarchy.

alt.sex.trans was created by someone on this campus who had just learned
how to forge news articles, and forged the newgroup as a test.  Beckner
if you INSIST on keeping alt.sex.trans, remove alt.transgendered's alias
to it.  

alt.transgendered should be decribed as 
"issues concerning gender and gender dysphoria"
alt.sex.trans should be described as
"idiot NCSU student learns about news protocol please remove me"

To quote the newgroup I sent out...
This newsgroup is being created in response to alt.sex.trans because of the
neccesity of a newsgroup for the discussion of transgenderism and its issues
without the connotations and traffic given by the alt.sex.* hierarchy.

>connected in any way.  The whole point of alt.transgendered was to have a
>group out of the alt.sex.* heirarchy, and out of the way of uninformed blanket 
>censorship.  The aliasing listed here defeats that purpose, and sends post to
>a group that isn't propogated.

Chris/Kristine________________________________________cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu
"the computer ate my program, and it won't give it back!"
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.politics.perot
From: hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (Herbie Husker)
Subject: Re: Newgroup: ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:45:39 GMT

taz@momad.UUCP (Jon N.) writes:


>HERE IS A PROPOSAL:


>	In light of the recent postings of questionable pictures of nudity, I 
>        propose a new news.group, "ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE"  

>	This newsgroup will be for posting of pictures of the human body, but 
>        not necessarily in a sexual manner.  This should not become a place
>	for posting nude children, but for nude PEOPLE, adult or children.

>	ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.EROTICA can remain as a forum for sexually 
>	explicit pictures, whereas clean nudity, without direct sexual
>	connotation, will be posted in ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE.


>	Please send your votes on this subject publicly, please reply
>	to this message.   Thank you.


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You have my vote.  I rather see cute girls and I think I have seen enough of 
the hard core pictures already.  More ds-f-*, dfg, obabe, etc.

KHY
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Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.newbie
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.qixnews
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:53:54 GMT

Re my proposal a few days ago to create a new group on anything and and
everything, I now think this was somewhat over the top. I retract the
proposal, and if pressed will attribute it to Usenet-facilitated
megalomania.

PS: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>[deleted]
>misc.test (this is the best group for testing out new theorys)
heh.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.adoption
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:51:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.172826.23681@mdd.comm.mot.com> gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix) writes:

>I am not well versed in alt protocol.....   When is it "decided" to create
>the newgroup, and who is suppose to do it???
>Is there a set # of discussion days, CFV protocols etc?

Not really.  The most accepted protocol is simply to discuss it and,
if there is sufficient interest by whatever standards you deem
necessary, go ahead and create it.  But the discussion is becoming
less and less "optional."

For more information, read the FAQ on creating alt newsgroups.

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Xref: sparky alt.config:6800 news.admin.policy:285
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Forging of 'newgroup' messages
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:26:34 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <CKD.92Nov7181355@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>Me, I just 'x' anything I get a Becker-newgroup for.  Then I never see
>another newgroup/rmgroup for it, and I help cut down its propagation too.

What a wonderfully elegant solution..
I do this now and I know I'm not alone...

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.society.emigration
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:24:13 GMT

In article <JKP.92Nov9032644@cardhu.cs.hut.fi> Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi> writes:

>alt.society.emigration		Where to move and why?

I won't create it unless someone besides you supports it.  I have
difficulty seeing anyone paying any attention to this group.

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From: list@momad.UUCP (Lisa Tori)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal:  Alt.hypnosis
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:08:14 -0500
Reply-To: list%momad@Infoserv.com
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: MoDeM MaDnEsS BBS   1-516/295-9435

Proposal:   ALT.HYPNOSIS

This group is for discussion of hypnosis, from the medical/
psychological uses, to "stage" hypnosis, discussing myths
and realities of such


How about some votes, (Not in e-mail, post them here, follow-up)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.transgendered
From: otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (M. Otto, "Virtual Prisoner of the VAX")
Subject: Re: Another listing of newsgroups in the "alt" Usenet hierarchy
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.transgendered
Summary: alt.transgendered != alt.sex.trans
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:05:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.232235.28514@becker.GTS.ORG>,
 news@becker.GTS.ORG (The Society for Reviling ATnT) writes:
> Archive-name: alt-newsgroups
> Last-modified: 7 Nov 1992 by news@becker.gts.org
> 
> 
> Here's another listing of newsgroups in the "alt" news hierarchy,
> as it appears from one site.  Note that this listing may well be
> quite different if prepared on your system.  No attempt to make any
> recommendations is implied by this list; it is for informational
> purposes only.
> 
> 
> There are 659 groups shown, as well as 225 aliases (indicated
> by "=" beginning the text field).  The count of articles received
> here so far is in the second field, if the line describes an actual
> "active" file entry.
> 
  
  [ most of list deleted ]

> alt.sex.trans		0000035	Transsexuality.

  [ more deletions ]

> alt.transgendered		=alt.sex.trans

  [ rest of post deleted ]


Newsadmins, take note:  alt.sex.trans is bogus; the two groups should not be
connected in any way.  The whole point of alt.transgendered was to have a
group out of the alt.sex.* heirarchy, and out of the way of uninformed blanket 
censorship.  The aliasing listed here defeats that purpose, and sends post to
a group that isn't propogated.


> Bruce Becker	News Administration	Toronto, Ont.
> Internet: news@becker.gts.org		UUCP: ...!web!becker!news
> "ATnT blows dead bears" - Just About Everybody

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:27:33 GMT

In article <7213222347061@c00506-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu>
	cddukes@c00506-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous) writes:
>But if such a party decides that a war with new zealand would be good for
>their image, this political party matters to you.

Since New Zealand adopted its "nuclear free zone" policy of not
allowing US ships carrying nuclear missiles into its ports, there have
been a few feathers ruffled.  I doubt that the US is ready to declare
war against NZ, but how the USG feels about NZ isn't a given at this
point.

						-- Rich
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.politics.perot
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:21:00 GMT

In article <BxB58A.Kpy@rice.edu> byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:

>I think people who suggest that we scrap this idea and stick with alt.politics.perot
>since "Perot is running the whole thing" don't understand what we're about.  Perot
>may have awakened a few of us and shown that there is hope outside the current
>(stagnant) process, but he certainly isn't controlling us.

More to the point, why does alt.politics.perot not meet your needs?
I'm skeptical of this political party's lasting more than six months
before falling into stagnation.  When discussion on United We Stand
displays a life of its own, how about trying again then?

-- 
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From: csa@sw.stratus.com (Chris Arthur)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal:  Alt.hypnosis
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:46:24 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pennies.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov13.033158.17161@news.columbia.edu>, jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.021355.13690@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
> >Since we're all currently discussing a group on hypnosis and a group on
> >Myers-Briggs and similar personality tests, why not call them, respectively,
> >	alt.psychology.hypnosis
> >and
> >	alt.psychology.personality
> >IMHO, this sort of hierarchicalizing is desirable, even on altnet....
> 
>   I agree that hierarchicalizing is desirable, but:
> 
>   a) The charter (as stated above, and I agree with it) includes more
> than the theraputic uses of hypnosis, whereas I think the name
> alt.psychology.hypnosis would tend to restrict that.

I agree with Jonathan; alt.psychology.hypnosis would be unduly restrictive.
Hierarchicalizing (is that a real word? :-) is a fine thing, but it must
suit the purpose of the group.

I favor alt.hypnosis.  (I guess you knew that by now. :-)

						Chris Arthur

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.letterman,rec.arts.tv
From: downec@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.chris-elliott (2nd attempt)
Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.192015.15210@news.unomaha.edu>, vice@cwis.unomaha.edu (Chad Vice) writes:
|> I am in favor of the Chris Elliot fan group as well.

THEN SUBSCRIBE TO IT.

CSD
Newsgroups: alt.config