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From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Silver Bough
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:27:24 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
: Hi there
: 
: I have had a couple of mails and seen some postings enquiring about
: the Silver Bough which I refered to in a posting last week. It seems
: some people are confusing it with the (perhaps similarly named, but
: quite different) Golden Bough.
: 
: So here is the ref in case you want to look it up.
: 
: McNeill, Florence Marian (1885-1979) 'The Silver Bough, a four volume
: study of the national and local festivals of Scotland'.
: 
: There are several imprints that I have seen, 1959 Glasgow: MacLellan
: is I believe the original, it was republished by them in 1968 and
: reprinted by Cannongate Press of Edinburgh in 1989.
: 
: The four volumes are:
: 
: 1) Scottish folk-lore and folk belief
: 2) A calendar of Scottish national festivals: Candlemass to Harvest
: Home
: 3) A calendar of Scottish national festivals: Halloween to Yule
: 4) The local festivals of Scotland.<<

The Silver Bough is not easily found here in the U.S.
It has been sold through a lot of college campus bookstores, (De Paul,
University of Chicago, Northwestern etc) and may be found in their
corresponding libraries, however in the U.S. the only distributer of the set
is State Mutual Books at 521 5th Ave. N.Y.C., N.Y. 10175

According to BOOKS IN PRINT reference it is priced at $40.00 but it s price
has gone up to $50.00 a book. $200.00 for the set. State mutual does not
accept credit cards but they will accept checks. Add $5.00 for trans
charges. if you wish to order.

At University of Chicago they have a paperback version at $9.00 a book but
these I have not personally seen and I suspect they may be abridged. I do
not know. However thay do not always carry all four volumes at a time.

It would be adviseable to check with your local college for more info.

Eshin-Fun
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: GUIDANCE
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:51:20 GMT
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN

In article <genek.718472012@infmx>, genek@neptune.informix.com (Gene Kain) 
writes:

>         TO ANYONE WHO GIVE SOME ADVICE TO ME SO THAT 
> 
> I MIGHT INCREASE MY KNOWLEDGE OF WITCHCRAFT.
> 
> I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INSIGHT ANYONE COULD GIVE ME
> 
> ON WHAT BOOKS TO READ OR ANY PERSON I COULD SPEAK TO
> 
> ABOUT THIS. A QUICK RESPONSE WOULD BE APPRECIATED...

  Well, most of the Pagans and Wiccans I know get pretty nervous
when someone starts shouting about The Craft in any forum.

  As for a quick response, well, you're thinking about taking
a two-month course on the rest of your life?

  Hmm ... maybe I'm being overly suspicious, but are you
dabbling and just looking for more spells or something like
that for whatever psychic wars you might have gotten involved
in?

  Yeh, ok, maybe I'm twice bit, thrice shy, but still ...

  Ciaran.

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Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
From: thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 12:04:00 CDT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

> 
> 
> 	A nice, fun way to divert Christians is to throw Sub-genius propaganda 
> at them and let them go tilting windmills! There's even a ANTI-SubGenius 
> address that is run by the oganization. I managed to get abunch of local 
> fundies who where picking on the local Pagans to make fools of themselves by 
> attacking the evil twisted plot of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs and his hordes of Satanic
> saucer-worshipping minions! They spent WEEKS in the pulpet slamming "Bob" and
> I still don't think they got the joke.....
> 
> 
> 			- Ashley
hey, i've heard of the sub-genius. how does one get info. on the organization?
well met and wassail
Thomas of House Hoffman

Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:19:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Oct13.172011.8775@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>Oh! Woad is me!

Is it me, or is everybody cracking the one-liners nowadays?

Big Al.  Who never writes anything funny.
From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:17:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I'm INTP (Introvert/Intuitive/Thinking/Perceiving) but so far
Myer-Briggs doesn't seem particularly correlated with paganism--I don't 
think I've seen two codes the same--except for the Introvert part.

It seems as if a circle could use people on both sides of the thinking/
feeling and perceiving/judging dichotomies, for balance.

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Libertarians, guns, etc. 
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:26:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.175213.18836@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:

[a bunch of stuff deleted because you already read it]

You're right Mark. That's why I didn't bother replying to his last note.
You can lead someone to culture, but you can't make 'em think. I must say,
though, that if he's an example of the Libertarian mind, I'm really worried
about them. And in case anyone cares, there's no "a" in violence. ;-)

As for anyone else but us being foolish enough to let ourselves continually
be baited......enough said. ;-)

Bb,

Corun


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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Searching for a Path
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:43:21 GMT

In article <2ADC96FA.3791@deneva.sdd.trw.com> shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True) writes:
>
>Just an added note: Morgan Llewyllyn (sp) has recently published a
>book (fiction) names "Druids" which tells the tale of Vercingetorix
>and his chief druid from child hood until Vercingetorix' death at
>Julius Caesar's hands. Most of her research is from Gaius Julius'
>notes, and from other visiting romans of the time. There is certainly
>a great deal of poetic liscense taken, but the book itself is
>remarkable, and deals with such things as rituals and beliefs of the
>druids in a very respectable and believable manner. (Yes, Corun, she
>is indeed Welsh - or is it Irish?)

I suspect she's Welsh. I've never encountered either Morgan or Llewyllyn
as names used in either Irish or Scots Gaelic. Welsh is a different language
while the Irish and Scots share a common one that has differed over the
years since the Scots originally left Ireland.

Bb,

Corun



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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:14:03 GMT



  February 5, 1960, at 11:53pm (23:53), in Madison, Wisconsin.

  Yeh, sure, that makes me an Aquarian.  Other than that, I've
only brief info.  I mainly only use astrology in relation to
Tarot, and then only to back up freestyle readings where I get
more than ten or so inter-relationships going and need a little
more structure (but, of course, only occationally, since I HATE
closure ... which reminds me ...).

  More useful, perhaps, than Astrology is my Myers-Briggs;

  INFP (Introverted, iNtuitive, Feeling, Perseptive [preference for
openness, almost to the adversion of closure])

  That, I'm sure, must explain alot.

  My partner is ITSJ (Introverted, Thinking, Sensing, Judging).
We cover each other's blind-spots alot.

  Blessed be, Ciaran.

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  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:55:49 GMT

In article 29278@news.acns.nwu.edu, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
>  boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
> >
> >Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
> >with a big red cross, reading:
> >
> >	Are you ready for the rapture?
> >
> >	Jesus is coming
> >
> >	October 28, 1992
> 
> This is an un-biblical notion (see Matt 24:36 "No one knows about that 
> day or hour...")
> 
> Personally, I maintain that Christians look to the second coming because
> they feel Jesus didn't get it right the first time...
> 
> ;)
> 
> -- 
>  Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
>  Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
>  alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................


no he got it right .. he just got cut short ....
and man being man .. we need at least a second or third chance .... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: errata(was a nice experience..)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 12:38:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	Wait a minute -- I -did- tell you where I was born -- Cleveland, Ohio.
	And at 5:18 pm.  Not that I'm complaining overmuch, but oh well.

TOTALLY UNRELATED NEWS ITEM
	
	_Principia_Discordia_: The Mother of All Mailings has been sent out.
If you were supposed to get one and -didn't-, then please E-mail me right away
so I can get you one.  Likewise if you got one and it was slightly wonky
(like truncated or whatever).

AND SPECIAL THANKS AND HUGGIES (NO NOT THE DIAPERS) TO:

	Rosaleen Dhu, who wished me a Happy Birhtday!

BB (whatever you think THAT stands for) and Read You Later . . .

(Oh, yeah, I'd sure as heck read alt.fnord -- I mean alt.discordia!

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: A book I had a long time ago
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:56:50 GMT

In article <ak7LsB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> cancer@bluemoon.rn.com (Keith Thompson) writes:
>Can anyone tell me where I can get a book written byGavin & Yvonne Frost
>I use to have it and can't seem to find it.
>Help!!!!
>
> This is from
>     cancer@bluemoon.rn.com
>who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet

Hello there, cancer@bluemoon.rn.com.  May I call you cancer?

Anyway, you're probably talking about _The Witch's Bible_.  From what I
recall, the title made quite a stir and pissed off a lot of people.
I've never read it, so I can't speak for it's quality of lack thereof.
I also recall that their organization, the School of Wicca, was
monotheistic, which makes them stand out.  I ALSO recall that Gavin had
some unusual opinions on things, and defended them . . . uh . . . shall
we say ZEALOUSLY.

Anyway, _The Witch's Bible_ is the Frost book I've heard of most, and
then mostly due to the uproar surrounding it.

Blessings,
Janis 

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:41:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.222403.43855@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:
>
>Then again, I think men are mostly scum.  I think they can recover
>from scumminess, but like alcoholics, I think we need to fess up to
>being scum before we can really start down the road to recovery. 

Woo! Now that's what I call a serious self image problem. Let me inform you
from first hand experience that not all men are scum, and there are some
women who are as much scum as some men. I personally don't think I'm scum,
and I'm not about to "fess up" to such an allegation. If you feel you're
scum, perhaps it's because of something you've done in your past that you
now regret. If so, fine, regret it, atone for it, and get on with life. But
don't put your mistakes on all men and say that you made them because you're
a man and not a woman. You made them for other resaons and should take sole
responsibility for them. It's not the fault of your chromosomes.

Sorry if my flamethrower is set a little high, but your generalization really
offended me.

Bb,

Corun


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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Clothing (was Re: Ceremony Suggestions?)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 15:01:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
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I know this is changing the subject, but...

In a previous article, jrk@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) says:
>...text about circumcision...
>No big deal.  Not much pain, though it was several days before I could
>stand wearing clothes again.

I can NEVER stand to wear clothes.  

I just thought I would share that with you.

*Paul (a Naturist/Nudist, Taoist, Pagan, pseudo-shaman, et al.)
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto)
Subject: Birth data, etc...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:11:08 GMT


Hi all - time for me to jump into the fray with birth data...
09/20/69 8:00pm (or there abouts) eastern time, Wyandotte Michigan.

Other stuff - I thought you all who were discussing eye color might be
interested to hear this...I told my SO about the hypothesis going on here
that pagans have hazel eyes.  He was slightly pleased with this, as he has
VERY hazel eyes.  He then had to point out that my eyes ore only slightly
hazel.  The man loves a good argument! :)

As a final thing, I had one little question...  Did anyone like the poem I
posted a couple of weeks ago, about Pygamlion and Galatea?  If ya all like
my writing, I can post another I wrote some time ago...I just don't want
to torment you guys if you don't like it :)

Blessings!!
--Kim (aka Athena)

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Subject: Re: Ritual Help.
Originator: blchapma@c00009-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Help with Rituals
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:37:25 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.180716.68@panix.com>, jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates) writes:
|> On another topic, how does music play a part in your rituals?
|> I find that music can help me reach an altered state of 
|> consiousness, under the proper circumstances.  Can music
|> play a more vital role in all of this?
|> 
|> If it does, or can, any sugguestions on what to listen to?

My suggestion is to listen to what you like and what makes you
feel good.  I like putting on my all favorite band, Fates
Warning, and dancing around wildly being very impulsive, paying
attention to the various rythyms and melodies.

However, I'm sure the feeling I get from this comes as much from
the physical exercise as it does the music.

At any rate, it makes me feel happy and relaxed.
-- 

Bekki Lyn

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"Today is within my reach, and tomorrow is so illusive
 But I'm still chasing time through increasing disillusion
 Forever living for the future of an illusion."

 -- FATES WARNING-- "Perfect Symmetry"
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: Pegasus@AAA.Uoregon.edu (Laurie E. W. Brandt)
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Organization: the Polyhedron Group
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:59:18 GMT

Amazons in Greek Literature may have been with out one of their breasts but
in art vase paintings, sculpture etc. they are most certinal not breast
less.  mmmmm, makes you thin,k is art the truer picture then myth?  
     I have been researching this topic for over ten years now and the vast
majority of the books on women fighters written to date are written from an
unbiased stand point toward women who fought.  Some even take ti apon them
selves to rewrite history "The Encycolpedia of Amazons" is a case in point.
 Most of the other works do not have bibliographies so you can nopt do any
follow up on their research pity.

"The Encycolpedia of Amazons" (Jessica Amanda Salmonson, Paragon House, NY,
1991) 

Must be used with extream care i.e.
    "Eleanor of Aquitaine . . . Eleanor had been inspired by Tasso's
Jerusalem Delivered and the character of Clorinda . . ."
 Problem Eleanor of Aquitaine 1122-1203 Tasso wrote Jerusalem Delivered in
1575.
    Marjory Bruce was Robert the Bruces daughter not his sister.
    Isobel MacDuff, Countess of Bachan was not the Bruce's sister, but the
sister to Duncon Earl of Fife, who supported the Bruce in his clam for the
crown of Scotland, she was maried to John Comyn of Badenoch known as the
"Red Comyn" who supported John Balliol, who was the English Kings pick for
the Scotish crown.
    Sir Philip Sidney was not a resoration playwrite. His play "Arcadia"
was written in 1590 during the height of the reign of Elizabeth I of
England. If she had read the play she would have found out that the
charactor of Zelmane is like "Charles Aunt". The fact is that Zelmane in a
man who has crossed dress.
    She makes the assumption that because a Catholic female saint is
depicted either wear in armor and or carring a weapon of some sort that she
was a women fighter during her life.  This regreatable is not the case at
all because the use of arms and armor is used in a allorigacal sence and
has no conection to the reality of the situation.
     Her use of source texts is limited to a hand full of writings of
fiction for the period and to minamal use of historical documents such as
the sagas, Saxo Gemanicus, Petrach, Aeneas Silvanus and Gilbert Nugent.
Except for Saxo they are mentioned in passing in the text.
     These errors were found on the first light reading.  If she makes
errors like these with medieval women what other errors does she make with
other periods of time.


Laurie E. W. Brandt
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: The Serpent
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:24:09 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <YeoZKha00WBLI8bo4M@andrew.cmu.edu> kendrick+@CMU.EDU writes:

 > OK.  Not to proselytize, but this is what I believe.
 >  
 > The ancient mesopotamians both worshipped and fought their serpent. 
 > Tiamat was what they were created from, according to the myth.  Hence,
 > they respect and worship her.  By the same token, she was evil, and was
 > slain, therefore she was fought (by Marduk). This argues that the myth
 > originated here, 6,000 years ago before anyone else had anything
 > resembling a serpent myth.
 >  
 > Only my opinion.  Other's are extremely interested.

What about the Phoenix, Kendrick? The *yin* to the dragon's *yang*?
Where did that originate?

And what about their pearl? Did they make it themselves and have it
stolen from them, or did they steal it from someone else?

Gil

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PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: etc.
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:23:14 GMT

	1. Congrats Lance on arrival of little one. Children are a joy. (I'm
going to be a teacher, so I've worked a lot with kids. They're _great_. To
be sure, I'm none too far from being a kid myself...)
	2. HAPPY BIRTHDAY GIL!
	3. Cymrophiles unite! (When I was 15 I was so hooked on Welsh history
that I perused my family tree in hopes of finding someone Welsh back there
among the Roms and Austrians. What I did find were 2--count 'em, 2--Irish
women who seem to be relatives. I have no idea how they got there, except
maybe they were tinkers and met up with some of my Gypsy ancestors before
the Gypises settled in Russia and went legit.:))
				Rosaleen Dhu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: The Dragon
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:45:24 GMT

In article <Bw2o69.AII@inews.Intel.COM> pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>
>Why are Westerners always fighting and slaying the dragon if it does not
>represent the Christian Devil? Why did St. Patrick eliminate snakes from
>Ireland, according to legend? Why do so many fear snakes, are snakes

With respect to St. Patrick and Ireland, wasn't the snake a metaphor for
the old drudic religions?

bb,

Corun



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