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From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: msdos based korean wp
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:10:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug14.000202.2116@riacs.edu>, hussien@circe.arc.nasa.gov (Bassam Hussien) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.171127.6123@cci632.cci.com>, tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:
> |> In article <55448.22592518@kcbbs.gen.nz> Brendan_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Brendan Laing) writes
> |> >Could somebody please mail me details of an ftp site that has msdos 
> |> >based Korean wordprocessor...
> |> > 
> |> >Thanks in advance...
> |> 
> |> Me, too, please.
> 
> me three !!!!!!!!!, please.
 


O.K. Guys, I heard you loud and clear. The problem is that anonymous
ftp site I used to get VADA or IYAGI(Korean WP) doesn't let me in as
anonymous.  I guess that the site has undergone some kind of change.
I just tried the site again but shut me out.

The anonymous ftp site was cair.kaist.ac.kr(has been changed to
jinsil.kaist.ac.kr).


************************ READ THE REST*******************************

BUT Wait a minute, kum.kaist.ac.kr is still on.  Right now, it's
11:01am. I am in kum.kaist.ac.kr. IP address is 137.68.1.65.
Sometimes, it's hard to get a connection.  And Hangul software is in
pub/hangul.

I hope this help.

Jung S. Lee

P.S. Let me know if you have any problem with installation. 
     I am not a Mac person, can't help one on Mac stuff.

I think this should be included with Korean internet address in FAQ.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: cali@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (cali )
Subject: Nisus 3.06-040 (and 3.06J) for Sale at $75 -- Korean Word Processing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:45:24 GMT

Nisus 3.06-040 (the latest version),  with the patch to convert it into
3.06J for Japanese, Chinese, and Korean word processing on Macintosh computers.

Bought four months ago at the educational price of $99 ($245 on street).

Registered.  Will transfer the title to the buyer.

Reason for selling:  Nisus loads the entire file into memory, but the
1,200-page book I'm writing is too much for the small RAM on my Mac SE.
I hadn't noticed it until the file grew big enough...

Will sell for $75 (I paid $108) -- just enough for me to get MS Word (not
so ideal for Japanse/Chinese/Korean word processing, but can load part of
the file and then swap).

Yes, I'll pay for the shipping (within the US).

-- Chan-Ho
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: For the Gossip Lovers... (And other mumbling)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.023809.13634@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
> If we had enough power, apology will be pouring
>in, whether we ask them or not.

How true.  And if Japan was not rich and powerful, no one would bother
demanding apology.

>  Even then, it wouldn't be much more than
>mental masturbation.  At least the physical version helps DSB (a la James
>Choi).

I am not sure if I should be flattered to be quoted for this TLA (three
letter acronym).  So, I can add that DSB is a TLA which is a TLA itself.

>On another note, :) , I promised to work on FAQ stuff, and so far I got
>very underwhelming responses :( , so I am thinking about another approach.
>BTW, question for someone who has been at s.c.k. for long enough, "Did I do
>this before?" 

Terry's question triggered many different responses.  Why doesn't she ask
more?  (one at a time please, her last question was very close to "explain
the whole western civilization" type) I do not think any one of us are in
the mood to explain something unless asked.  So far, the best way to get
any idea from anyone is to FLAME him/her!!!! Yeah!!!  So, the question
should not be "what is the Korean language?", instead "Koreans have no
language of their own!!!" will trigger massive and length explanation.  :)

>I honestly can't remember, but this whole FAQ thing feels like deja vu.

I actively support the idea of FAQ.

>Andrew Kim.

James Choi
From: rerhk@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Roko Kim 2-4224)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: More compassion for GMtong
Keywords: campassion
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:49:43 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

Another anonyous netter of UPENN wroted > lines;

>I would like to answer to GMTong's posting

What postings do you mean? Would please be more specific when you mention his Miaster pieces? He contaminated here a lot. You should read them all to conclude something.  

>I think he has been badly treaten by the other netters on this newsgroup.

Because he deserved that treatment.
If you were a Korean netter, you could have been among those netters, too,      I believe.

>In my opinion, I think his questions are legitimate albeit a little playful.

Show me what questions you think legitimate and playful. If you are mentioning  in general, well maybe quite playful for saddistic racists at least.  Provoking and insulting a minority race with 'UNintentional' verbal violence.

>Mr.R.kim has certainly disgraced himself with his posting "Open letter to...."

Who other than GMT 
and 
morris@walet.physics.upenn.edu 
could have disgraced themselves more 
by hiding themselves in the back of their address 
and enjoying playful funs hurting others?  
Shame on that please!

>I only hope more people will be more open with themsleves and be prepared
to tell others what is on their mind.

O I only hope you understand what you are writing, especially the meaning to 'be prepared to tell others what is posted in this news group.


TO THE READERS; Is there anybody who keeps all the articles written here by GMT?  I kept a few of them.  I'd like send those stuffs to this innocent guy for him to understand our anger on GMT. Thank you.


						8.21.1992
						Rokho Kim
						^ll   S   -^-
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From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 11:09:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

  Could you elabrate a little bit China's War crimes in Korea?  As a Chinese,
I do know China once invaded/occupied/governed Korea in the history. But
I really don't know Chinese army ever massacred Korean or did some other
serious war crime like Japanese army. Besides, it is long long time ago.
But, if we do owe you a apology, we can give you one right now.



Zhongbai You
From: morris@walet.physics.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: More compassion for GMtong
Keywords: campassion
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Physics Department

I would like to answer to GMTong's posting

I think he has been badly treaten by the other netters on this newsgroup.

In my opinion, I think his questions are legitimate albeit a little playful.

Mr.R.kim has certainly disgraced himself with his posting "Open letter to...."

I only hope more people will be more open with themsleves and be prepared

to tell others what is on their mind.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:41:12 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Additional Chinese questions

In article <86091@netnews.upenn.edu>, dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master
tong) says:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>  A while ago, someone from this group asked my why I do not freely admit
>to have a Chinese heritage since (and I quote) "Chinese culture influenced
>mankind in many ways" and is therefore a good one to have (my quote).

   hi, there, there is nothing to be shamed of been a chinese. As a mainlander
 I accidently rushed into this group and stucked by the topic, but I still
 won't think anything wrong to be linked with chinese or their culture, even
 if someone try to insult chinese here.

  However it is realy interesting post who impose the idea that you are Chinese
  based on your question. I guess you should get the answer that how polite
  and gental Korean are(At least people in this group, if not all).

>
>Well, I am not a kid any more. I can not CHOSE to have this culture or that
>heritage; I can not easily put on a new mask whenever I chose to.
>
>My principles are more or less solidified and I can not CHOOSE to change them.
>althogh I am still confused about where I really belong to.
>
>I don't know much about the Chinese culture. I can not therefore CHOOSE to
>have

  You may post same question to scc and pretend yourself as Korean, see how
 netters answer you if you like. It will be a very interesting compaison.

>it. Not having it is not the same as NOT WANTING IT.
>
>PLease, make that distinction.
>
>This was written to defend myself.

  You certainly has some chinese blood there. -). Don't use the chinese
 way to defense yourself. Use the westen way, that is: The best defense
 is offense. -)
>
>Denny.
>
>p.s. I lot of people think I deliberately created a "flame war" in this
>newsgroup.
>TO those people:
>
> Constructive criticism and discusion , Albeit
> heated, is necessary if  we are to move forward and grow in maturity of
>thought. It causes us to re-examine previous accepted norms; it wakes us
>up to critical issues we prefer to ignore before it finally blows out
>of proportion; and it makes us think more critically next time we voice our
>thoughts.
>
> PLEASE, make the distinction. Constructive criticism is NOT the same as
>a MUD-flinging debate where the aim is to be as nasty as possible or injure
>the
>opposite party as much as possible.
>Mud flinging is an intentional act.
>
>I apologise if a hurt any one; it was UNintentional.
>
>Denny.
>

 No flame please. This post should be private for denny only, somehow I
thought more people should learn some leason.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.032253.2607@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.211923.10986@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>> I don't interact in newsgroups where there are excessive numbers of
>> Chinese-cu.  I can't stomach stupidity, bigotry, cruelty [especially
>> towards children], deceitfulness, and all-around mental masturbations
>> for very long.
>What are Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge, may I ask?

Chinese people born overseas tend to confuse the 3 connotations
of word Chinese.  Let's define some terms, and I'll explain.

Chinese-ge = Chinese in the genetic sense (i.e. ethnically Chinese)
Chinese-cu = Chinese in the cultural sense
Chinese-ci = Chinese in the sense of citizen of China

Note that a Frenchman-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge.

Chinese bigots (and there are many) assume that genetics = cultural.
They believe that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu; in other words, a person
who is ethnically Chinese must also be culturally Chinese.  This
is a view shared by rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis.

>[atrocities commited by the Japanese in Asia]

Any educated person knows that the Japanese committed atrocities in 
Asia.  Only an idiot would deny it.

However, Chinese-cu jerks never admit that the Chinese killed
100 million Chinese in this century, far exceeding what the Japanese
did.  Can you, Ms. Hong, just imagine the kind of Chinese savagery
that would compel a Chinese person to strangle his/her own infant girl?
Don't forget the Tibetans, the Taiwanese, the American servicemen
killed by the Chinese during the Korean war, etc.

The Chinese have never apologized for what they did, let alone
even acknowledge it.

Just ask some random Chinese twit.  He can spout the numbers
that were killed in Nanjing by the Japanese.  But he is suddenly ignorant
when he is asked how many Taiwanese were massacred by the Chinese.
He won't know the numbers.

Note that I am comparing what the Japanese did and what the Chinese
did on roughly the _same_ time scale:  20th century.  It's unbelieveable
but _true_.  The Chinese killed at least 100 million people in the
20th century alone.

No ethnic group even comes _close_ to this number.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:13:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:


>I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
>soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
>	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.

>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

Then let Japanese apology to Korea first. Do you agree?
Have Korean got any apology from Japanese yet?
I can't hear you.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:54:17 GMT

Most of the questions were answered by Brian Chung.
So, I will just ask MT not to put any word in my mouth.

In article <85973@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>
[it appears that I wrote]
>>Are all Chinese guys not able to write their name?
>
>I am not Chinese, thank you vey much; I would not mind being one though.
>I find your language very insulting to the Chinese, and I make this
>statement as an outsider. 

The statement quoted above is indeed very insulting to the Chinese.  But it
is YOUR statement.  You wrote it in with your own words, and now you comment
on your own words.

Next time you quote me, please use the exact words which was something like
"Why these chinese guys have trouble writing (showing) their name" which
was a reasonable question to ask since most of the people thought you were
Chinese and most of us are fed up with the name "mc5".

When you compare my original statement with your paraphrasing, your
tendency for generalization is very clear.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kna@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Kyung Bo Na)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:43:26 GMT

In article <Aug.19.10.39.51.1992.2931@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>In article <kim.920818121048@magneto.physics.auburn.edu>, news@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> That is all. I want to love Japan even though I have something in my mind and
>> am suspicious on Japan. Hope some day Japan be a Big brother who is
>						 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> trustable.       
>
>No flaming is intended. 
>Ms. or Mr. Kim; I see your good will toward improvement of the
>relationship between Korea and Japan. But why Japan as "a Big
>brother"?  Why not we stand equally? Just reminds me of old bullshit 
>confucianism. 
>
>Jung S. Lee

   Well said. I couldn't done it better.  %-) 


   "It is a law of nature, common to all mankind, which time shall neither annul nor distroy, that those who have greater strength and power shall bear rule over those who have less."

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.100107.11662@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

       [stuff about China killing her own citizens]
|
|>...
|>         1.  formally apologize to China for the war crimes committed by
|>             Japan, including the establishment of wartime-brothels,
|
|When will the Chinese apologize for what they did?  When?
|
|The blood of the 100 million victims--millions of whom are infants strangled
|by their parents--killed by the Chinese cry out for justice.
|

Chinese apologizing to Chinese? How do you do that?
(I can hear Deng Xioping giving speech "On behalf of the
Chinese people, I would like to apologise to the Chinese
people.....etc :-))
I have a cousin in China who was killed during the Cultural
Revolution and my granfather's head was chopped off by 
Japanese soldiers. I want the Japanese to apologise, but I 
think apology from the Communist Party of China would be
more appropriate for in the case of my cousin's death.


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Funny, what does your signature say?

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From: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Chen Han Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:17:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Inst. of Info. Sci. & Elec., Univ. of Tsukuba, Tsukuba City,
	Ibaraki, Japan

In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:


   I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
   soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
	       ^^^^^Alphabetical order.

   My question:
	   Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
   owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
   than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
   Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
   had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
   to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
   I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
   suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
   need of an apology to Korea either.

Alright, I apologize. And I guess CCP will apologize if Korean requirs. The
reason is, you may not understand, that CCP always blame the past governments 
or even put its headache down to its members (like gang-of-four, ...).
--
                                            
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  ::    Email: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp   
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3802 soc.culture.asian.american:8352 soc.culture.asean:5634
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Dwight Joe (Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Dear netters:

There is no point arguing with that person. He said what he
wanted to say. Just leave him alone, and he will shut up.

An advice to Dwight: please spend some money to get some
education and learn how to discuss with others. I should 
say you are not discussing, you are pouring all your stupidity
into the net. I hope you will take my advice. After all, 
everybody here know you perfectly well now.

Yunson Du
University of Maryland
College Park
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: flames from Chinese & Korean
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:58:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

As all you guys & girls have noticed, I've also found that
the open-letter... stuff fired up some bandwidth on s.c.j
and added some side-effect to s.c.k.; in addition, some
name's which used to be in my KILL list (not any more since
I've cleaned'em up) showed up..

Well, except for the super looooong size of those articles,
there's only few things bothers me, which are:
1) Why in the world do they emphasize the War or Invasion
   instead of the deed during the war?
2) Why those non-japanese & do-not-really-know-what-it-really-
   was guys got hot and became flaming dragon?
3) History, my foot!  If, just if I had my daughter lost
   as comfort girl, I might have been in different field
   (maybe playing with UZI as GMT said).  I'm glad I'm not married.
   In those situation, apology from Japan won't do anything.

I don't really have my opinion on the cruelty of Imperial troops
since I don't really know except what I've heard.

But, contrary to the response from Japanese people, they really
don't make sense.

I wonder that they would do the same if their mother or wife
had been dragged by Japanese Imperial Army for 'Comfort Girl';
if so, we'll see lots of Jesus there (pardon me, christians).

Frankly, I really don't think I can say any to Japanese people
even when they says they are not responsible for any; and I think
they are damn right; there are not many of them left.

But, it would be different for those who had any bit of related
experience of those unfortunate incident.

Those flames from non-(relat/experienc)ed to not-related Japanese
People (due to generalization) bother me; but more than that,
those flames from not-accused/none-japanese/not-knowing-what-it-
really-was-like bother me a lot.

Well, just an opinion to s.c.k people; since I didn't want to be
in the flaming thread, I just passed those bothering articles over.

Daeshik 'busy-playing-games' Kim
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