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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Repeal of the Law of Return?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:13:58 GMT

In article <Bz4nwr.DC9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>
>Besides, if you accept the Jewish faith, couldn't you look at Israel as an
>unfortunate result, and not a true representative?

Before I start receiving mails from BBC saying that this does not belong
here, I want to ask: A true representative of what?



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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:17:45 GMT
Organization: Jews for Melkor

In article <1992Dec14.154825.1332@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>>One last note: To participate in the march must surely be to
>>endorse the platform. [...] If the platform has any moral force,
>>it comes from the people who march under that platform. I disagree
>>with the platform enough that I cannot lend my support to it in such a
>>way. For this reason (and this reason alone), I won't be in the march.
>
>Geez, Andy, you didn't seem to have any qualms when you voted Republican
>last November.  What about _THEIR_ platform (remember the convention?)
>Do I hear "double standard" here?  Or are you just holding the MOW
>organizers to a higher moral standard than the totally discredited
>Republican Party?
>
>Changed your party registration yet?

Funny, I don't remember you being in the ballot booth with me. So
why do you think you know how I voted?

I voted for Marrou in November. If Bush had any chance of winning
California, I would have voted for Clinton. And I didn't register
as a Republican until *after* the election. This was mainly
because of the platform (and the gay-baiting campaign in
general).

And it's "Andrew", not "Andy". Or preferably "Solovay" or even
"Mr. Solovay". 
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"We all have faults, and mine is being wicked."
                --- The Duke of Coffin Castle
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:35:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: (getting there)



Melinda Shore:
  >>And I never could decide whether people there
  >>are such awful drivers because the highway system is so
  >>poorly engineered or the highway system is poorly
  >>engineered because people there can't drive.  At any rate,
  >>traffic is hell.
Stan Brown:
 >The road system is so confusing that the roads had to be color-coded.
 >(I am not making this up.)

Ooooh.  I wanna follow the yellow brick road.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:19:01 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1992Dec7.174728.23397@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
[...] 
>   Have you tried the D.C.
> Eagle? There are a fair number of men of color there without
> out-of-water attitude...
 
I would venture to suggest that he'd find occasional women of 
color there, too. (Not that he'd be *looking* for them, or 
anything like that!)

Seriously, I went to the D.C. Eagle in early October; had an 
excellent time, good conversation, and my beers kept getting 
cheaper as the bartender and I discovered that we had more in 
common than skin color, sexual preference, and the wearin' o' 
the leather. 

Even had one guy walk over and tell us how nice it was to see 
"girls" in the bar ... <shrug> I thanked him. I thought he was 
sincerely trying to make us feel welcome. So what if he called me 
something I haven't been in (seems like) eons?

So, I second jojo's suggestion of the D.C. Eagle.

Father Amelia

                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+  
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From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Bike militancy (was Re: Parking)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:08:33 GMT

prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>In article <mattm-111292104211@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>The cyclists at Stanford are worse than the worst stories I have
>>heard about New York drivers.  Not *only* are cars beneath their
>>notice - but so too are pedestrians.  I *hate* walking around
>>the Stanford campus.  To do so at night is pure foolishness.
>>And the advent of Roller Blades only makes it worse.

>Yep, the bikers here are definitely beyond belief.  My bike got stolen
>freshman year, and I never replaced it because it was just dangerous
>to ride.  Walking's not *so* bad, but I still have been hit by bikers
>while I was on foot.  

as an incoming freshman, i think that i was told that i had a 1 in 2
chance of being in a serious bike accident either as a biker or a ped.
i find it absolutely amazing that 7 years later it still hasn't
happened (not that i'm ever on campus much anymore....).

--mike
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From: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey)
Subject: Phone or Fax No. for Roseanne Production Co
Reply-To: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:11:00 +0000


Can anyone help me with a phone or fax number, or a company name
for directory enquiries, for the company that actually produces
Roseanne?

And any more favourite line from this latest Mistletoe episode???

The current series does start its run in the UK till February, so
you can imagine how impatient we are after hearing your reports!

Diane
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:29:31 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec15.095307.8114@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>>
>>Also, the animator who did Jafar is openly gay.  He also did Gaston
>>from "Beauty and the Beast."  There's a good article on him in the
>>latest _Advocate_.  Apparently, Disney is a fairly gay-positive
>>company.  

I *KNEW* it!!!  The attention to detail was wonderful -- especially the
close-up of his chest full of hair.

>Or at least they have plenty of queers working for them.  Didn't any
>of you listen to Howard Ashman's lyrics to Gaston's Song?  For shame
>...

Actually, I think there's motss content in a lot of his songs from Little
Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and now Aladdin.  Does anyone know which
songs from Aladdin he wrote before he died?

-jeff
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Drooling over the "Europa, Europa" guy.
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:12:36 GMT

> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>> daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay) writes:

>>Sigh.  ObMotss: there is no motss content in [Europa, Europa] 
>>execpt for some very handsome guys.
>
>Not quite true. While the hero is in a Nazi infantry unit, he's
>befriended by a soldier who (they heavily imply) is gay. The
>soldier and the hero are both "closeted"-- one about being gay,
>one about being a Jew.

And, in a bath scene that manages to be hilarious and horribly
tension-filled at the same time, the gay soldier puts the move
on Our Hero, discovers he's circumcised, i.e: a Jew, and
promises not to betray him, telling the hero that he has his
own Awful Secret...
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From: daviss@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Stephen Davis)
Subject: Colorado Boycott group formed
Reply-To: daviss@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Stephen Davis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:45:22 GMT

People may be interested in two recent editorials supporting a
Colorado Boycott.  The second announces the formation of a New
York-based Boycott Colorado organization.

The lead editorial in the Village Voice's 12/15 issue said:

"... Despite Maybor Webb's assurances, lesbians and gay men in Denver are
already suffering from the new law's effects.  One 17-year-old lesbian lost
her job when she came out to her employers days after the vote.  Another
Denver resident was told he's no longer welcome at his doctor's, now that the
law permits discrimination based on sexual orientation.  And attacks on
homosexuals have doubled.  Nearly every gay or lesbian bar in the city has
been disrupted by bigots who beat patrons in the parking lot or break the
windows of their cars. [...]

"State boycotts are one of the few weapons we have against legalized hatred.
Consider Arizona, where bigots scrapped the Martin Luther King holiday in
1990.  A boycott that eventually cost the state $300 million in tourist
revenues inspired voters to rethink their bias: they approved the holiday this
fall.  [...]

"Most lesbian and gay Coloradans support the boycott, and nationally, the Gay
and Lebian Victory Fund has issued a 'Travel Advisory,' warning Americans to
'avoid Colorado until the anti-gay crisis...has been corrected.'"

---------

The Stonewall News of December 14, 1992, made the recent creation of a
"Boycott Colorado" organization the subject of a lengthy front page editorial.
Excerpts follow:

"'Boycott Colorado' has been formed as a direct response to the passage of
Amendment 2 to the constitution of the state of Colorado on November 3, 1992.
It is a true grassroots organization and includes not only gay, lesbian, and
bisexual members, but heterosexual persons as well.... Boycott Colorado is now
incorporated and is charged to promote and monitor a boycott of the state of
Colorado on international and state-wide levels.... It does not take a genius
to recognize that the passage of Amendment 2 in Colorado represents a very
serious civil rights crisis in this state and in this nation.  Colorado is the
first to write discrimination aginst gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons into
its constitution, the basic governing document of any state and the nation
itself.  The proponents of Amendment 2 and the forces of hatred and bigotry
already are planning to export this abomination to the rest of the nation.  It
is likely that Oregon will vote on a hate-twin to Amendment 2 in the coming
year, and there are are already plans to present similar proposals in at least
nine other states in the very near future. ... We call on all the people of
this nation to write their congressional representatives and urge, no demand,
the inclusion of sexual orientation in the federal civil rights law
immediately."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: State laws regarding same-sex marriage (was: Maybe a dumb question...)
Keywords: marriage legal gay
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.191552.24338@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	Yes, I kagree that a precedent exists, my point was that
> we have never been able to get things that easily.  I suspect
> that when the first state falls, there will be a flurry in other
> stars to make sure that there is some excpetion that says queer
> marriages don't apply...  Now whether or not Lovejoy v. Virginia
> eventually wins out as a precedent, who knows, but I'll bet it
> won't go that smoothly.

I started to reply before, and decided that I had misread you, but now
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I thought what you meant was that if a
state passed a law allowing same-sex marriages, *that state* might
word the law in such a way as to say that such marriages were not
required to be recognized in other states. I don't know why they would
do this, and I'm not sure that such a provision would pass
constitutional muster.

I'm pretty certain, however, that *other* states have nothing to say
about it, if there's no such provision in the originating state's law.
In other words, if Hawaii passes a law that extends marriage to
persons of the same sex (or, as is at issue now, Hawaii's existing
marriage law is determined to apply to same-sex marriages), the "full
faith and credit" clause of the 10th(?) Amendment requires all other
states to recognize all Hawaii marriages as legitimate.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Devil CD's
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:28:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.044952.1962@news.duc.auburn.edu> John S. Bibb,
jbibb@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>In a bit of nostalgia, I pulled out the ole vinyl recordings of D^2 just
this
>very evening.  I've forgotten how BAD records sound compared to CD's.
>

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  CD's have a wider dynamic range, but the sound
reproduction within vinyl's narrower range is superior.  Kind of
like an unbroken line as compared to CD's column chart.

Or as Neil Young puts it, "The mind is tricked, but the heart is
sad."

Vinyl 4ever!

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:43:42 GMT

lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson) writes:

>Wow!  I met him today....very attractive.  Why do all the cute ones have
>to pretend to be straight? 

I don't...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Kiss me, I'm an aphrodisiac!

		...and may all your Yuletides be trite.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: H.I.M. Catalog
Organization: JPL, Shuttle Imaging Radar Software Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:04:26 GMT


In article <1992Dec10.124403.45547@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2ftrlegend@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|>
|>OK, a serious (well, kinda serious) question I have about the H.I.M.
|>catalog and some of the stuff in there.
|>
|>Anyway, my question is, what use would someone have for a piece of
|>clothing like the "Sling Shot" (on page 31)?  Is there anyone out
|>there that can think of an occasion or an outing when such a piece
|>of clothing would be appropriate or handy?
|>

Any Probe or Saint party.

--
Tim Fogarty
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1, STS-59
FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Seattle City Council joins CO boycott
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:14:31 GMT

In article <JOEB.92Dec16013421@eos1.atmos.washington.edu> joeb@atmos.washington.edu (Joe Barsugli) writes:

>"The Seattle City Council has adopted a resolution prohibiting the use
>of city money for conferences or other business in cities or states
>where laws exist that deny civil rights to people on the basis of
>their sexual orientation." ....
>
>"However, convention travel may not be banned for city employees in
>all of Colorado, according to the resolution, since the cities of
>Denver, Boulder and Aspen have said they will not abide by the state law."

I don't think that the latter clause completely eliminates the
economic pressure of the former.  It seems to me that the former also
prohibits municipal funds from being spent on products purchased from
Colorado vendors, or other non-travel related activities (the "or
other business" shtick).

Along with Dinkins' decision on business travel to Colorado cities,
this is very encouraging news.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why don't straight people wear genitalia?
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:13:54 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Dec12.205939.3939@u.washington.edu> rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>My SO, granola babe that she is (no we *don't* have anything
>in common, thanks for asking), makes a lot of jewelry with genitalia
>on it.  I have some beautiful pins, and a necklace with a hanging
>labia, with a little clit at the top -- very nice.  (Before you ask,
>no, they *don't* look like flowers...)

I have what's probably the same one as an earring, so does a friend
of mine.  The clit is a pearl, eh?

>She also sells very nice penises as pins and necklaces.

I feel like being rude and saying something like "I *knew* they must
be useful for *something*!"  :-)

>Now, these are pretty good sellers in the GLBO* market, but I have
>never seen a straight person wearing genitalia; their own genders, or
>that of the gender to which they are attracted.

I'm sure that all over Northern California, for one, there must
be some new age feminist-type straight women who wear "yoni this
and that" jewelry.  

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From: carlton@scws2.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Indications of homosexuality (was Re: How to tell if your son is gay)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: scws2.CARLTON.92Dec11161227
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: nelson@reed.edu's message of 9 Dec 92 23:39:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.233913.26632@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> What do folks with long hair who shower in the morning do? It takes my
> hair an hour and a half to dry. I'm not going to use a blow dryer. I'm
> not about to wake up an hour and a half early in the morning.

When it's cold out, I try not to wash my hair on mornings that I have
early classes.  This won't work for people with early classes every
day, though.  Sometimes I just wash it after I get back from class,
too.

david
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From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon)
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:11:42 CST

    Maybe it is only 4% in the general public, but doesn't the 50% in
the military make it round up to 10% :)

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Cramer spoiling the party
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:42:42 GMT

In article <BzCy9B.Hp8@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com
(Greg Parkinson) writes:

>I noticed that even though there wasn't much response
>to him, I would still periodically read his postings.
>So today, I put him in my kill file. 

I thought it was rather satisfying (I put in both Cramer and
optilink) to watch the articles get junked and to know I
wouldn't be seeing even one screen of that dreck.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: kellyc@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: URGENT: European Commission Appointment
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:10:17 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


From Ireland this morning come the news that Mr Padraig Flynn is to 
be nominated as the next EC commissioner from Ireland.

The rumour is that he will be offered the Social Affairs portfolio in 
the new Commission.

This is a cause for concern for LGBO* folk in the twelve member states of 
the EC.

Mr Flynn is an extreme conservative, the closest we in Ireland have to 
the US's senator Jesse Helms. During our referendum some years ago, 
proposing to remove the constitutional ban on divorce, Mr Flynn campaigned
against the measure - on the grounds that he is a Roman Catholic. Although 
a large number of seniuor politicians were opposed to the legalisation of 
divorce, he was one of very few who actually campaigned publically against 
the measure.

Since early 1992 he has been Minister for Justice. His department is the one 
which is responsible for dealing with the decriminalistion of homosexuality 
in Ireland. Since he was appointed Minister in that Department, the 
Government's stance on reforming these laws has changed from one of `it is
being dealt with and will be presented in due course' to a stance declaring 
`it is bottom of the agenda', and `it will not be dealt with in the 
foreseeable future'.

There is little that can realistically be done at this stage to halt his 
appointment. Technically, his nomination must be agreed by all of the other 
eleven member governments (UK, Germany, France, Belguim, Netherlands, Spain, 
Portugal, Italy, Greece, Denmark, and Luxembourg). Protests are none the less 
in order. They may have the effect of him being given a different portfolio. 

Can we organise _now_? Can we lobby our respective governments opposing his 
appointment (a) to the Commission, or failing that (b) to the Social Affairs 
portfolio?

If that concern is repeatedly expressed from across the Euopean Community we 
may achieve something.

It needs to be done NOW. The appointments will be formally made before 
Christmas.

Cathal

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|     Ollscoil Luimnigh (Uni. Limerick),    For the benefit of 
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From: SCANNON@novell.com (Steve Cannon)
Subject: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Organization: Novell, Inc. --Austin
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:19:35 GMT


Yesterday the City Council of Austin, TX unanimously approved a boycott of 
the State of Colorado.  In brief, it stated that no city funds would be used 
for travel to or in Colorado.

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|Steve Cannon                       | Novell, Inc.                      |
|Internet: scannon@novell.com       | 5918 W. Courtyard Dr.             |
|MHS     : scannon@novell           | Austin, TX  78730                 |
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