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From: gvacano@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Ponderous?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:49:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr8.204958.1
Organization: Wesleyan University


	What's all this about Lovecraft being "ponderous"? 

	Are too many of us Stephen King junkies? King has done some fine 
writing (i.e., "The Stand" and "Different Seasons") as well as some really 
awful work ("The Tommyknockers"), but most of it (all this is IMHO of course) 
is in the same bland generic New York Times bestseller list crank it out prose.
It's nice to read something, like Lovecraft's work, that is not only unique in 
content, but in style as well. I suppose those of you who find Lovecraft 
ponderous probably feel the same about Clark Ashton Smith, Dunsany and Poe.

	Well it's all a matter of taste. But I know that NOTHING that Stephen
King writes will ever give me the willies the way "Dreams in the Witch House"
by Lovecraft did.--
 
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From: jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: fang
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 10:34:18 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

jlavine@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

> My name is fang. I like to write and I don't usually bite. I write more than 
> read.. but that's nothing to bleed about is it? Sea Wasp... your opinions are
> intriguing. Let's talk... why note post me something? I like your nickname.
> Maybe you are just like Buffalo Bill in "SILENCE".... hope to find out.
> YOURS GHOULLY. FAng forever.

Is this guy for real???  Almost sounds like my worst nightmare!!! :) :)

Warrior Queen


Vampire Hunters Inc.
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stake your problem right through the heart!!


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From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Sleepwalkers: A Review (no spoilers)
Summary: "This is a story about young love... AS TOLD BY STEVEN KING!!!"
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:05:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr13.220549.11820
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <rauser.703107833@sfu.ca> rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>           Sleepwalkers: A Review by Rick J. Rauser

>you a few tidbits: savage cat-people called "sleepwalkers" (we don't know
>why) come into town. They are terrified of cats (we have no clue why) and
>to survive they suck "energy" (my best guess) from "pure, untainted" 
>virgins (again, we have no clue why). 
>    I almost forgot to mention: the sleepwalkers can alter their appearance
>as well as their surroundings (they can turn invisible and change a car
> from a Mustang to a Trans Am). Again, THIS IS NEVER EXPLAINED.

"We don't know why" is a very common horror device.  Vampires can only be
killed by a stake thru the heart, it has to be made of wood (we don't know 
why), werewolves only change forms during the full moon (we don't know why),
etc.

>    Aside from the horrible acting, I think that this is Sleepwalkers'
>main flaw. It makes no sense. Point 2. We are given so many little
>clues and hints and suggestions about these strange creatures with their
>strange powers and incestuous relationship (yes, we actually see mother
>and son in bed) yet we are never told about their origins, their background,
>their history...it's like the last half of the film was chopped out.

This is usually considered a *good* trait.  It's fascinating how many 
things make a movie intelligent or stupid, depending on one's own personal
prejudices.

When a movie has hints about the characters' background, some say it's 
good because you get the feeling that the writer has planned a whole 
mythos, and some say it's bad (Dr. Who and Nightbreed have *each* been 
*both* praised and panned for this on the net).
A movie with an ambiguous story is considered intellectual by some, 
dumb by others.  (Dr. Who, Jacob's Ladder)
A character who does something he/she would NEVER do is either
undergoing "inconsistency of character" or "character development".
I don't see the difference.

And so on.


>Richard J. Rauser   "I like fighting Chun Li.
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (wayne)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Mail 'The King' Elsewhere
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:58:49 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <Yds6OiO00Uh_42n2V7@andrew.cmu.edu> you write:
> 
>Okay, I bitched before but this time let's just be simply reasonable
>here. 
       A laudable goal, but sadly lacking in followup. 
       
As of right now (April 4), I have counted through the messages and out of
>106 on this bboard at the moment, 49 messages are about Steven King
>specifically.

       So what?  Don't read them.  Problem solved.

If this isn't sufficient reason for a seperate bboard
>devoted solely to this guy than I don't know what is. I'm not going to
>go heavy on quality judgements 

       Well, you certainly aren't heavy.  But judgemental, yes.

   Look, if you want to create a Stephen KIng  newgroup, then do it.
   If you want to change this newsgroup, then do it.
   Your first attempt did not work, this second attempt will not work.
   As long as your approach is to pummel people trying to stop them
   from talking about what they want to talk about, it's not going 
   to work.  How many times will you try the same approach?

   If your third attempt takes a different tact, that of offering
   constructive alternatives, maybe *that* will work.  Last week
   I posted a simple question:  What do you think of Peter Straub?
   There were at least a dozen followups.  Now I'm sure you don't
   like Straub *either* but it's an example I'm giving you.  Can
   you take it from there?

   In changing this newsgroup into something you want, you're not
   going to accomplish it by converting those who are posting about
   King.  You're only going to get what you want by drawing others
   into alternative discussions.  

   wayne

   And by the way, those 49 SK postings are *still* going to be there.
   So what?
From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder (was Re: Flatliners
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:58:46 GMT

In article <204760@unix.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:

>	Perhaps it's a basic philosophical conflict. I look at things as having
>truth or falsehood, good or evil, right or wrong. I do not like endless
>shades of gray. The world DOES have many shades of gray, but in FICTION
>there is no need for it. We control the worlds we create.


>                                 Sea Wasp

Oh please.  We control the world we create until others deal with it.
A painting or symphony is not an exercise in FRP, my good fellow.
As to there being no need for anything in fiction, who are you to
make that judgement?  That is ridiculous.  Give over all ready:
if you didn't like JL, then, as I said, fine.  I found it 
entertaining on both your levels.  

Wrt those somehow mandatory levels a movie is supposed to have, I
again disagree with you.  I would, however, suggest that you
avoid both REPULSION and THE SERVANT, both horror, im my view, and
both beyond the bounds of your capabilities, as stated.

cws


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider)
Subject: Re: Stephen King interview this am
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 04:06:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer) writes:

>Okay I forgot about the kill function (I'm new here and might need a
>little help) but it still doesn't excuse the single-mindedness of all
>these King freaks who post here. 

So you're worried about us not getting a well rounded education? 
Go join the PTA.  In the meantime, just say KILL.

>I'd think even King fans would be bored
>of all this and start writing about the ninety billion other writers,
>directors, artists, etc. whose work falls under the category of horror.

So start some messages of your own and draw a following.  
"Don't complain about the news, go out and make some of your own."

>But then again with shit like the excerpt from the post below, it's
>obvious that some people can't think beyond the "fan club" level of
>interest in a subject or individual. Oh well. 

<Two of the tawdry paragraphs of an interesting review of SK on Good
Moring America deleted.>

Actually, not having the lifestyle (ie. I work.) that lets me watch
such daytime stuff, I enjoyed this little shared slice.  But then
again, you'll discount my opinion because I don't rave about Lovecraft,
Lumley, McCammon, Simmons, Barker, etc.  (I got those names off the
bookshelf to my immediate right.)  I'm just finding more to talk about,
with more people, with King right now.  It's obvious why he's the 
bestselling of the bunch.

>Blah blah blah. .........

Couldn't have said it better myself.

-- 

"If you're not going to kill me, I've got things to do."
Ric Bretschneider     ric@netcom.com        BWAH-Ha-ha!
    "Anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock 
      is going to have a real bad day, get it?"
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jlavine@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: 25
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:38:08 GMT


POST
FANG here, please write to me you writers out there. We have to start creating
new story-lines and boldly go where.... Whoops wrong genre.... Send me your
manuscripts so I can see what kind of things folks are doing out there. Short
stories, poems, etc. ANYTHING..... to stay connected. Thanks.
From: joker@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re:the Hitcher (possible spoilers)
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:38:47 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


	I've heard that it is possible that the Hitcher and the boy
where one in th same. I dont quite agree with this but it could 
explain some thing like the finger and him knowing where the boy was 
all the time. I guess you would call it multiple personality disorder(MPD).
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: slambert@willamette.edu (Sean Lambert)
Subject: Re: Stephen King interview this am
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:24:12 GMT




	Ruth Heckert writes:

he said that the remaining claim to fame from
that flic is that Marla Maples is in it (at the end, I believe) and
when she and her "
relationship" with "donnie" was made

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Well..if you must know...she is in the bridge sceen in the beginning,
she is the women in the driver seat of a car that gets a watermelon
splatted on the windsheild....(this occurred in the beginning of the
movie)



sean....................................slambert@willamette.edu
From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder (was Re: Flatliners
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:34:39 GMT

In article <204466@unix.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:

>	You see, you are one of the kind of movie viewers/critics that think
>that anything worth seeing has to be hard to understand. Apparently you have
>no idea that there are MANY reasons to want to go to the movies, and 
>that what makes a movie GOOD varies directly depending on what you want from
>a movie.

I agree with many of your objections to JL.  I thought it was an
excellent premise, with indeed, fantastic artistic vision, screwed up
by studio execs who wanted to give the public an easy out.  In your
original post, you say that the film rates a "MONDO thumbs down," and
that _Flatliners_ is far superior, but you don't like being
challenged.  Then you say "GOOD varies."  And guess what, it does.
BUT, large parts of JL (the whole first third, sporadic bits later) are
superb.

And before you dismiss the  (admittedly high concept)
evil govt plot, I think
its kind of lame to slam at the vets that way.
 

>	I read books and watch movies for one major reason. ENTERTAINMENT.
>That is the MAJOR purpose of fiction, to hold interest by entertaining.
>Anything else is a bonus.

And indeed is a bonus some obviously feel you've missed in JL.  I
don't go to movies for 'entertainment' alone.  Ever.  You do, so
we differ.

>	My ability to interpret BS (like in Jacob's Ladder) is not lacking.
>What IS lacking is my patience and the desire to want to pay 7 dollars a pop
>in order to SEE and interpret pretentious boring BS. If I want that, I can
>go borrow it for free at the corner library, under "literary criticism".

All you are doing here is proving that you have extremely limited
cinematic taste - I assume you arn't fond of Fassbinder or Herzog,
both of whom have made 'horror' films.  I'd also assume that you
disliked Peter Greenaway and most of David Lynch.  Being anti-intellect-
ual because someone stepped on your toe seems extreme.

>	So go enjoy Jacob's Ladder, if it turns your crank. But don't go
>around talking like your "HO" is better than anyone else's (which you were);
>you obviously have a very different standard of good. In MY NSHO, a GREAT
>movie would be one like Star Wars (action) or Casablanca (a classic, go
>see it... and you don't need to be a critic to enjoy it. It's a simple
>movie.).

>                                 Sea Wasp
>                                   /^\
>

If you are arguing that movies can be enjoyed on different levels,
fine.  But you refer to JL as "pretentious bullshit."  That
certainly allows me to say "you simply insult what you don't
understand."  If that offends you, too bad.  Maybe you should read
more literary criticism.  It doesn't usually respond to ill-
considered statements.

cws
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Stephen King- Who is Flagg?
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:02:17 CST
Distribution: alt.horror
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Apr8.115922.10035@sjuphil.uucp>, pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino) writes:
> 
> Since the only SK novels I have ever read are The Dead Zone and 
> Pet Sematary, I was wondering who Flagg is and what novel is this
> character in?

	Flagg is a character who has been in several of Stephen King's
novels, most notibly in The Eyes of the Dragon and The Stand.  He's
also supposed to be in the Dark Tower series (The Gunslinger/Drawing
of the Three/The Wastelands--is that the title?), although he's not
mentioned as Flagg in it (Once again, I think--It's been so long since
I've read the series).  
	Flagg is evil--pure evil.  He was the sorcerer in Eyes of the
Dragon and was the total antagonist in The Stand.  If you read The
Stand, make sure you buy the complete and uncut version.  The "cut"
version is good, but you miss out on a lot of background and many
other not so obvious things.  IMHO, The Stand is a true epic.
	But to the synopsis--and I promise I won't ruin it for you.  A
"supervirus" is accidentally released from a top-secret installation.
Nicknamed "Captain Trips," the virus kills around 99% of the
population of the United States.  The survivers are a varied lot, and
they are drawn together to battle the evil Randall Flagg--to make a
"stand" against him.  There's the outline, brief as I can make it.
Buy it.  Read it.  Get caught up in it.  I've read it twice and am
re-reading it again simply because it's the kind of epic that always
has new things to find every time.  I've also read Eyes of the Dragon,
but can't remember what it's about.  But I encourage to read them, as
Flagg is the kind of character that is always changing--you'll never
know where or when he'll show up.
	Good luck, and happy reading!
						--Matt
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: harold@disk.uucp (Harold Davis)
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th, The Series - TV Program Question
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:20:06 GMT

<K50CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>A *LONG* time ago,someone had a list of the items on the shows in this sub.
>I'd like to see it posted again.Anyone have it?
>P.S. My favorite episode was the coin of Zyacles (sp?) in "Heads I live,Tails
>You Die".Pretty gripping episode.
>L8r!
>KLAZAR
That was a good episode.. My favorite was probably was another 2 part
episode where Ryan was possessed by demons and it took place mostly in
France I beleive wehre the Devil was going to take over the world or something
like that. There were a lot of great episodes like And then the news..
which was about a cursed radio and kept telling a certain doctor how
she was making steps toward winning some award until she made some mistake then
it told her how she was not going to get the award and how she was going to die
of which she did moments later.. Also there was Brain Drain where a Moron
uses some old device which would suck the intelligence out of one person and
transfer it to him.. He became quite smart. Other episodes I remember are
Barons Bride - CUrsed Cape 
Faith Healer - CUrsed Glove
Lost treasures - Cursed Lantern
Tattoo - Cursed Needles
Cup Of TIme - Cursed TeaCup
Scarecrow - Cursed Scarecrow of course!
THE Electrocutioner - Cursed Electric Chair - Pretty good episode
Quilt of Hawthore
Baby - cursed Crib
Pipe Dream - Cursed Pipe
Badge of Honor - Cursed Badge
Later
Harold

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Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 15:43:49 -0400 
From: Marc Kevin Fischer <mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Dario Argento
	<15214@optima.cs.arizona.edu>

Anyone out there familiar with films by Dario Argento who could list
what is available on VHS in the U.S. uncut and possibly write short
reviews? I have so far seen "Susupiria", "Terror At the Opera" and
"Unsane". The uncut versions of Suspiria and Terror at the Opera are
fantastic (Suspiria being the better film of the two). Unsane looked
like it might have been butchered - not very memorable but then I saw it
years ago. thanks -Marc
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From: <DSF105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: FLAGG AS GUNSLINGER??????

All:

    Aren't we forgetting a *very* significant appearance of Flagg. . .
Namely in _Eyes of the Dragon_?  I think *that* established the character
as a pan-dimensional entity.  Nope, I don't have a problem with Flagg
showing up in _The Dark Tower_ series at all.  In fact, I hope we find
out more about him/it.  Anxiously awaiting _Wizard and Glass_. . .

                            ---- Derek S. Felton
                                 dsf105 @ psuvm.psu.edu
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:18:12 GMT
Subject: Re: FLAGG AS GUNSLINGER??????
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.horror



	I'm not  a real careful reader either, but it seems that
	somewhere in those books it was mentioned in a very vague
	manner. Either that or there's just some similarity between
	the characters.
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From: cs162sbd@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies,bit.listserv.cinema-l
Subject: Stephen King Movies List
Keywords: past, present, future
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:43:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.31407
Followup-To: poster


This is a list of movies and other stuff related to Stephen King.
Please send corrections and/or additions to me at enomura@ucsd.edu

ed


STEPHEN KING

MOVIES
Carrie (1976)
Cat's Eye (1984)  screenwriter "The Ledge," "Quitter's Inc", and original "The General"
Children of the Corn (1984)
Christine (1983)
Creepshow (1982)  screenwriter, actor, "The Crate", "Weeds", and originals "Father's Day", "Something to Tide You Over", "They're Creeping Up On You"
Creepshow 2 (1987)  "The Raft", and originals "Old Wood'nhead", "The Hitchhiker"
Cujo (1983)
The Dead Zone (1983)
Firestarter (1984)
Graveyard Shift (1991)
Knightriders  (1981) cameo (not a SK movie)
The Lawnmower Man (1992)
Maximum Overdrive (1986)  screenwriter, director, cameo
Misery (1990)
Pet Sematary  (1989) cameo
The Running Man (1987)
The Shining (1980)
Silver Bullet (1985)  screenwriter
Sleepwalkers (1992)  screenwriter, cameo
Stand By Me (1986)
Tales From the Darkside: The Movie (1990)  "The Cat From Hell"

VIDEO
The Night Shift Collection - "The Boogeyman" and "The Woman in the Room"
Return to 'Salem's Lot
video compilation - "Disciples of the Crow" and ?

TELEVISION
'Salem's Lot (1979)
Sometimes They Come Back  (1991) CBS
It (1990)  ABC

Golden Years - writer (ep. 1-5), cameo, summer 91
Gramma - The Twilight Zone, Feb 86
Sorry, Right Number - Tales From the Darkside, Nov 87
The Word Processor of the Gods - Tales From the Darkside, Nov 85
World of Horror/This is Horror

OTHER
Carrie - Broadway musical
Rage - play, Los Angeles 90

FUTURE
Apt Pupil -  with Rick Schroeder, unfinished, shelved due to lack of money
Carrion Comfort - screenplay being worked on by SK
Children of the Corn II - in post-production (?)
Creepshow 3 - planned with The Langoliers, Dolan's Cadillac, and ?
The Dark Half - Romero directing with Timothy Hutton in a dual role, Amy Madigan and lots of sparrows, Oct 92 from Orion
The Mangler - planned
Needful Things - rights purchased by Rob Reiner for $1.5 mil
The Night Flyer - planned CBS telemovie
Pet Sematary 2 - planned
The Shotgunners - original screenplay, planned
The Stand - planned ABC miniseries, possibly in the '92-'93 season, exec prods. SK & Richard Rubenstein
The Talisman - Spielberg held an option
Thinner - planned
The Tommyknockers - planned, possible TV miniseries (?)




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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino)
Subject: Strangled Women in Horror Films
Organization: Saint Joseph's University
Distribution: alt.horror
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 15:39:39 GMT


So far people have suggested Frenzy, Suspiria and Halloween. Any other
suggestions?

                                         Thanks, Sal Pastino