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From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: The way it is...
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:32:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.185141.3117@cis.ohio-state.edu> gross@toucan.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael anthony gross) writes:
>
 [stuff deleted]

>condition.  Why do you think the pro's bowl on so much oil, because that is 


As someone who has bowled in many regionals, and has competed in a few
national tour stops, I thought I'd clear up the falacy of "so much oil"
that the PBA bowls on.  Its true that the PBA does have quite a bit more oil
than most league conditions *most* of the time. However, there are many times
that the lanes will "hook out of the building" on tour and in regionals. 
Mark Baker summed it up best in a recent Bowlers Journal article.  It went 
something like:  "...On tour, the wet is wetter, and the dry is drier".

>what makes the game more difficult.  If the lanes were 'dry' the pro's would
>go find a hard ball and just rip the pins apart.  Everybody want's to score
>high and if you average 200 at then great, but see how it feels if
>you bowl 200 at a regional (a pro condition).  Which do YOU think will feel
>better.  However it doesn't matter what we say here on this net.  The shot
>will be set for the average bowler because that's where the money is at
>(information from Aki's post--no plagorism here).
>

Remember, the object of bowling is to knock down more pins than your opponent.
Some weeks it takes 195 to win, other weeks it takes 240.  The only
thing that counts is the "W" - anything else is ego.  The difference between 
a good bowler (pro or amateur) and one who thinks they are good is the good 
bowler will find a way to out score their opponent, while the others will 
just complain.  

>Just my thought and opinions feel free to agree or disagree that's why I told
>my parents to have me in America!
>
>				Myke...

Vince
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: What do you think of ProAms
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A770981E53042631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:07:26 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:10:17 GMT

In article <1if71cINNndn@c3po.jvnc.net> Carl Fogelin,
fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM writes:
>It costs $100 for three games (5 amateurs and 1 professional) and no
matter
>how you do in the tourniment, you either get an embroidered commemorative
>jacket or a Pro Rhino ball, your choice.  Is it worth it?


ProAms are an excellent introduction to the Professional Bowlers world.
It gives you the chance to see what it's like to bowl in a competitive
environment similiar to what the Pros bowl in.  It's also a chance for
you to meet Professional Bowlers to get tips, information on membership
whatever.  Also it was always a thrill for me to see how a pro would
adjust for varying lane conditions, those little observations I made
made me what I am today...

...a broken down tired old man that has completely destroyed his liver and
his arm all in one fell swoop  ;-) ....

But seriously, if you can afford it, go for it, I think you'll find it
fun, if
nothing else you can get a jacket or new bowling ball!  (I'd go for the
ball myself).  If you decide to go, let us know what you think!

Regards,



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
From: zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: 9 Pin No-Tap Tournies.
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:51:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University


   Yep, I was surprised by it.  I mean, it's a fun idea, but here it's $20 a
pop for three games.  Way too expensive just to have a little fun with the
scoring when there's no chance of winning money [To have taken 3rd, I'd have
had to bowl better than a 741 series.  I'll do that when cows fly. ;) ].
   As a series, I didn't do terribly fabulous....My career high series is
615 [I'm only 22, and in college, so I've never bowled more than two leagues
a week, and can count the number of leagues I've been in on two hands with
enough fingers left over to pick my and a few friends' noses. ;) ] and my
no-tap series was 608.  204-253-151.  The 2nd game was good for second overall
for that particular game, but you can assume how well the other two fared..
   I just think it's not quite right for ordinary bowlers that the only way we
can participate in no-tap is to shell out exorbitant sums of money for no
realistic hope of winning.  But, who said life is fair?  Just wanted to air
that out with everyone here.  Give you all something to read. :)

Puttering around with his father's old blue angle,
Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:29:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Here is a rules question that popped up in league last night.
> Our lead off bowler rolled his first ball and a pen that was in 
> his pocket dropped over the foul line onto the lanes. The secretary
> of our league called it a foul, but the owners of the lanes said it
> was not. What is the real ruling??? (WABC/WIBC league)

That  is not a  foul....  what is a foul is if he  retrieves  the  pen
without first asking  permission of the other team.  It is stated very
clearly  in  the  rule  book.  Your   secretary  is  wrong.  (being  a
secretary  and having  dealt with the exact  problem I know this to be
true.)

Dave
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Foul Rules
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:59:21 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


Hello,

Here is a rules question that popped up in league last night.
Our lead off bowler rolled his first ball and a pen that was in 
his pocket dropped over the foul line onto the lanes. The secretary
of our league called it a foul, but the owners of the lanes said it
was not. What is the real ruling??? (WABC/WIBC league)


anne

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: splits...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:39:25 GMT

In article 1is6fsINNlj8@hp-col.col.hp.com,  fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>Had an unusual split this weekend... at least it is unusual for me...
>
>4-8-10  ....  and the wierd thing is that I picked it up....
>
>chopped the 4 off and just tapped the 8 enough to slid over and tap the 
>10 pin....  talk about strange!!!  Go figure....
>
>Dave


Had to see it to believe it ... my Thursday anchor had the baby 3-10 split
... and his X-Calibur went right between them ... I've never seen that happen
before ... he must have had just the right rotation on it ... kinda eerie  :-0


Bob

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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7719A7CE7012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:29:48 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:32:41 GMT



Subject line sez it all folks...I now as old as I feel... :-( ....



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: THE EMBASSY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - started
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:43:13 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski) writes:

>Today's second round matches:
>(Best of five sets)

>D Priestley  (1)         v   S Beaton           19.00  GMT
>B Anderson  (8)          v   E Bristow          19.50  GMT
>A Warriner  (5)          v   R Sharp            20.40  GMT
>A Anstey                 v   W Weening          21-30  GMT


Beatson beat Priestley, Bob Anderson whitewashed Bristow 3-0, Warriner beat
Sharp and Weening beat Anstey.

In the next round (played last night) Beaton again won beating Bob ANderson
and Warriner beat Weening. Don't know the results from the top half of the
draw though.
So Anderson and Warriner are through to the semis.

Dave
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From: etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: British Open Pairs - result
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: Marek.Repinski@eos.ericsson.se
Followup-To: alt.sport.darts
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB



"Reg Harding and Rod Howick came from behind to beat Rod Harrington
 and Peter Evison 3-2 to win the British Open Pairs championship in
 London.

 Sandra Greatbatch and Rhian Speed won the woman's pairs with 3-1 win
 over Mandy Solomons and Deta Hardman."

Source BBCfax


Cheers and 'appy new year!

/Marek

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From: tl@ray.fi (TonyK Lindstr"om)
Subject: Re: Finland <> Darts
Organization: Finnish Darts Organization
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:49:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.144629.3162@ray.fi> tl@ray.fi (TonyK Lindstr"om) writes:
>
>   Name			Team			Ranking Points
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>1. Heikki Hermunen 	Tikkaklubi		388
>2. Marjo Kantele	DC Heinola		251

Sorry, Marko Kantele !

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From: etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: THE EMBASSY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - Tuesday
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:09:39 GMT
Reply-To: Marek.Repinski@eos.ericsson.se
Followup-To: alt.sport.darts
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

More of the latest news from the finest and greatest tournament
among DART professionals:

                     THE EMBASSY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
               (News I dug up on BBCfax Tuesday the 7th)

Dazzling Bobby George continued his incredible run in the event
as he beat second seed Mike Gregory 4-2 to reach the semi-finals.
The 47-year-old, out of the game for six years, blasted Gregory
away in a high-class encounter.
Gregory took a tight first set but George, brilliantly accurate
on the double 16 and bull, won the next three to be in sight of
victory.
The second seed fired three of his seven 180 maximum in the sixth
set but George took it 3-0.
Glitter king Bobby George defied his long absence from the game
to reach the last four and then paid tribute to his adoring fans.
George was cheered on throughout his win over Mike Gregory by a
packed house and later said:
"I never thought I'd win tonight, but the crowd really helped me."
When asked about his title chances, he said:
"I don't know - I haven't been under pressure yet."
"Darts is a game of bullying and I haven't been bullied so far."

Former champion John Lowe used all his Embassy experience as he
beat Kevin Spiolek 4-3 to set up a semi-final clash with Bobby
George.
The sixth seed twice came from behind to level at 1-1 and 2-2
before snatching a tense fifth set.
Left-hander Spiolek took the match into a deciding set and then
missed SEVEN match-winning doubles at 2-1 up in the seventh.
Lowe took advantage and despite missing two match dart himself,
eventually won the set 5-3.


Tuesday's quarter-final results:
(best of seven sets)

M Gregory (2)           2-4  B George
(3-2 2-3 3-1 2-3 2-3 0-3)

J Lowe  (6)             4-3  K Spiolek
(1-3 3-2 0-3 3-0 3-2 2-3 5-3)


Friday's semi-final matches:
(best of nine sets)

S Beaton                 v   A Warriner (5)
B George                 v   J Lowe (6)

Start at 7.00pm GMT


Talk about upsets!! First a unknown (to me) Steve Beaton take away
the number one Dennis Priestley, then another unknown Kevin Spiolek
take away the reigning champ Phil Taylor. But that an oldie, before
my time as dart active, should beat Mike Gregory comes lika a real shock...
Don't know who to put my money on now :)
Well, but these kind of upsets makes the tournament fun to watch (or
in my case follow via BBCfax).

I'm sad to say that you'll have to wait until Monday to get the
semi-final and final results from me, maybe someone else will fill
it in in the weekend.



Cheers & happy darting

-- 


/Marek


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From: richard@capehorn.gmd.de (Richard Czech)
Subject: ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY !!!
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:04:36 GMT


Hi Darters!

I only want to tell you that I just hit the first 180 in my life!
After two weeks of holiday I came home today and took my darts to
test if I still can hit the board. The first round was D20 20 20, 
the second one a clean 180. Wow, I never had a 180 before! 
The darts are still sticking in the board... Maybe I should take
a fotograph before I pull them out :-)

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         GMD-I5-WTI
        P.O.Box 13 16                        phone: (+49) 2241 14 2039
D-5205 St. Augustin 1, Germany               fax:   (+49) 2241 14 2342
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From: etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: THE EMBASSY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - started
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:13:30 GMT
Reply-To: Marek.Repinski@eos.ericsson.se
Followup-To: alt.sport.darts
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

At last it is the time for the finest and greatest tournament
among DART professionals:

                     THE EMBASSY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
                (News I dug up on BBCfax Sunday the 3rd)

Second seeded Mike Gregory showed his determination to go one
place better than last year's runner-up place with a 3-0 win
over Jaime Harvey.
 Gregory averaged 94.7 per throw and allowed Harvey just two
legs as he stormed through to round two where he will meet
Jann Hoffmann. (Heja Denmark :-)

Bobby George was as sparkling as his glittering gold skirt as
he upset seventh seeded Australian Keith Sullivan 3-1.
 The 1980 finalist should have won in straight sets but missed
eight match darts in the third.

Twice champion John Lowe beat Chris Johns 3-1 and will play
Dutchman Ray Barneveld who beat Graham Miller 3-2.

Former champion Eric Bristow has been censured for making
"offensive gestures" towards Per Skau during their first round
match.
 The British Darts Organization found Bristow guilty of
breaching their rule 23.15 and bringing the sport into disrepute.
Further breaches of the rule could result in the loss of a
match leg, then a set, followed by disqualification from the
event.
 BDO officials studied videos of the match before making their
decision.


Sunday's first round matches:

M Gregory  (2)          3-0  J Harvey
D Kelly                 1-3  M Phillips
K Sullivan  (7)         1-3  B George
G Miller                2-3  R Barneveld
J Lowe  (6)             3-1  C Johns
K Spiolek               3-1  K Kenny
P Taylor  (3)           3-0  JJ O'Shea


Today's second round matches:
(Best of five sets)

D Priestley  (1)         v   S Beaton           19.00  GMT
B Anderson  (8)          v   E Bristow          19.50  GMT
A Warriner  (5)          v   R Sharp            20.40  GMT
A Anstey                 v   W Weening          21-30  GMT


Ehh..
I missed Friday's and Saturday's first round matches. So if some
one hav'em, please post'em.


-- 


/Marek

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From: izzy@phoenix.oulu.fi (Mika Hekkanen)
Subject: Re: ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY !!!
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:46:24 GMT

TonyK Lindstrom (tl@ray.fi) wrote:
: 
: Last night I was close to win one opponent with him having over 400
: left (501), If my 105 finish would have succeeded, then ...
:  
: But after missing the bull (1, 54 9! :-( ) I later came up with double 8
: and missed that evil red thing with 13 darts before I hit it. My 15-dartgame
: became a lousy 31:er..
: At least I won the leg... 
: 

I had a chance to make a 12-darter in our league match here...
I begun the leg with 100-180-100 and had a chance for the 121 outshot
with T20-11 and missed the bull leaving 42...

That leg also ended up to be a 31:er... and I lost it :(
Anyway I won the match :)


: 
: -- 
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: 

-Izzy- a.k.a. Mika Hekkanen

OuluDartsClub, Oulu, Finland

Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski)
Subject: Wow
Followup-To: alt.sport.darts
Reply-To: Marek.Repinski@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:52:11 GMT

I was gladly surprised over the reaction on my Embassy posting.
Both on the net and in my mailbox. Thanks!
It is nice to see that so many are interested of our dart
professionals and the sport side of this game.
I hope to get some coverage in the "real" WC, held in Las Vegas
in October this year by some one on the other side of the pool.

Cheers everbody,

/Marek

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: tl@ray.fi (TonyK Lindstr"om)
Subject: Finland <> Darts
Organization: Finnish Darts Organization
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:46:29 GMT


Finnish Darts Organization:

The Finnish Ranking list (27.11)

MEN:

   Name			Team			Ranking Points
--------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heikki Hermunen 	Tikkaklubi		388
2. Marjo Kantele	DC Heinola		251
3. Mauri Hakala 	Ramin Darts		247
4. Aulis Nissinen	Ramin Darts		240
5. Risto Sundgren	Toemarin Tikka 		226
6. Jari Siren		Hervannan Tikkari	209
7. Tapio Soronen	Tikkaklubi		207
8. Arto Lintunen	Satatikka		206
9. Arto Juhola		Soltikka		196
10.Keijo Valtonen	Henrik Darts		195
.
.
13.Kexi Heinaeharju	Ramin Darts		169
.
.
50.Magnus Caris		LTP Darts Club		 90

WOMEN:

1. Paeivi Jussila	Ramin Darts		147
2. Eila Nikander	Tot-Tikka		126
3. Melina Nummi		Satatikka	 	 95
4. Marja Lojamo		Dart-Team Pablo's	 87
5. Eeva Vauhkonen	Tot-Tikka		 73
6. Anu-Mari Nylynd	Aapelin Tikka		 63
7. Anne Saarinen 	Naeaeasvillen Tikka	 61
8. Jane Wiren 		Paekki Darts	 	 57 !!
9. Paeivi Loennroth-Heinaeharju Kartanon Tikka	 55
10.Eija Metsi-Mellberg	Teraevaet		 54
.
.
19.Johanna Jaervinen	Paekki Darts	 	 38 !!


There are about 5000 members of the FDO

1775 men and 291 women has at least 1 point.



More info some day is maybe to come...

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski)
Subject: Re: Games to ..701?501?
Reply-To: Marek.Repinski@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:02:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.201450.7560@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
|> 
|> 	I play mainly cricket, so if this seems like a dumb question,
|> 	well it is. When the tourney results are posted here, and say stuff
|> 	like "14 darts" or whatever, what is the game? Is it assumed to
|> 	be 501? Do they play double in (I deduce that they never do,
|> 	but I'm not 100% positive...)

Well I could quick explain the rules in EMBASSY:
You play 501 legs double out. Best of five legs for a set.
Last an decisive set must be won by two clear legs.
Matches are played in best of five sets, quarters best of seven sets,
semi best of nine sets and the final is best of eleven sets.

|> 	Anyway, what is a decent round of (oh, lets choose) 501?
|> 	25 darts?

Legs over 20 dart among pro's are few (at least in embassy) but there are.

|> 	What are your (yes you!) average points/dart? Would 25 points/dart
|> 	be decent? (thats a 20 dart 501...)

20 points/dart average would be very, very decent for me. :)

|> 	Lets get some chatter on this group for heavens sake!

agree
 
(...)

|> 
|> -- 
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> Zip   Steelers in 92!          | Illinois Basketball: More three point 
|>       Bubby's Back!!!!         | shooters than you can shake a stick at!
|> "I didn't lose, the Team lost" - Coach

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/Marek


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