HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ypan@cs.arizona.edu (Peter Pan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: How to disslove .arc file?
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:12:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.cbm
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


	I am trying to dearch all those *.arc files which I downloaded from
milton.  I did read the instructions in the CS-DOS package.  In the "arc128.txt"
file, it says the following command should work:

	arc/x[d] [d]:filename.arc
	The default value for [d] is drive a, (8,0)

	So I tried :
        "arc/x filename" and "arc/xa a:filename" and something else.

	The system respond "syntax error" to all those commands.  It seems to me
that "arc" is not recognized by the system.

	Am I doing wrong? And what is the right way to do it? Please help!!

ypan@cs.arizona.edu
From: mcbride@cs.arizona.edu (Chris M. McBride)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Excalibur 2000
Summary: another drive
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:56:54 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


   I picked up a cheap(free) 1541 wannabe, an Enhancer 2000. Well its
kinda missing its power cord. Anyone have any ideas on where I can get
a replacement?
 
Chris

Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: bbs-artmoore@jwt.UUCP (arthur moore)
Subject: Re: drive questions
Reply-To: bbs-artmoore@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:47:50 GMT

fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:

> OPEN 2,8,2,"$".  The ",S,R" is superfluous.  I think a better way to
> read the directory is to use OPEN 2,8,0,"$", since this keeps you from
> having to read the BAM just to get filenames, but it depends on what
> you're doing.
> 
as far as I know, using 2,8,0 will not produce the track and sector 
pointers, which is what I really need. Thanks


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From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: Re: C-64 gives Out of Memory errors on power up - ideas?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:18:23 GMT

drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude) writes:

>I've got a C-64 here with some problems.
>When I power it up,  I get the following: "?OUT OF MEMORY ERROR IN 0"

>If I do a "?FRE (I)",  I get -621 back.  Obviously there is either a
>memory problem,  or a ROM problem.

I had a 64 that only gave me something like 7000 bytes free when I booted it
up.  I stopped using it (bought a one a friend didn't need any more for $20).
A couple of years later I decided to try to fix it, and at that point the
screen came up blank.  Turned out that the problem was the PLA, as replacing
it fixed the 64 (and it is able to access all of the memory now).

The moral of the story is not that your PLA is bad, but that the problem
_could_ be PLA.  It could also be RAM chips, as you mention.  I'm not sure
what else it could be that would let you boot up but not show RAM.  (I 'spose
some connection to the RAM chips could be bad or something.)

-Rob
rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu
From: ba128@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edgar Estrada)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: looking for Fontmaster 64 with manual
Date: 14 Sep 1992 06:32:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm looking for a copy of Fontmaster II 64 with the manual. Does anyone know where I can get a copy? 
>2 
Thanks...
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From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: CS-DOS progrmaming "examples" on ccosun
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:08:26 GMT

About a week ago I the file "examples.arc," full of CS-DOS example code, was
uploaded to ccosun.  After completely failing to dearchive it with arc128, I
was finally able to dearchive the program with a Unix arc.  I have rearchived
it to a .lzh file, which can be dissolved with the CS-DOS program lhx, and put
it in the directory /pub/rknop/cs-dos on ccosun.caltech.edu.

-Rob
rknop@cco.caltech.edu
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From: bbs-artmoore@jwt.UUCP (arthur moore)
Subject: Re: 16 bit CRC source?
Reply-To: bbs-artmoore@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:07:56 GMT

rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop) writes:

> You can get C and 6502 assembly source for a _32_ bit crc on
> ccosun.caltech.edu in the directory pub/rknop/utilities.  Look for the files
> crc*.  It's not 16 bit, but it might still be helpful for you.

If I had ftp access, I surely could use the 6502 source... however, I 
already have CRC-32 as C source.. Really need CRC-16 tho. :)


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From: edwardp@ra.cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: HI!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:55:27 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <chan.08jh@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> chan@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Chan) writes:
>Hi i am new here!  My name is Data Chan (alais). I have a commodore 64, 2 1541
>disk drives, a supra rs-232 interface, a USRobotics modem (2400) and a 1802
>monitor. I have 2 questions about commodore.
>1. Is there any software comming up for the 64?

Welcome to the world of Commodore computing!!  As I have noticed, new software
products coming out, tend to come out rather slowly, for example, one company
might come out with new software tomorrow, and we will see nothing for maybe
a couple of months.  But I received a Tenex catalog in the mail today, and I
noticed quite a few new software titles that I haven't seen in their past
catalogs, so new products ARE out there.

>
>2. Are they still making 64 hardware

Yes.  Commodore continues to manufacture the Commodore 64C computer, and
1541 disk drive, and they are sold worldwide.

 
 - Ed



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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: C64/128 Discontinued?
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:09:59 GMT

 According to a Swedish computer magazine, Commodore have discontinued
the C64 product line.

 I'm wondering if this means that there are no new C64s available
anywhere, or if they manufacture a few for countries like
Poland, Hungary etc where they still seem popular?

 Anders Skelander

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From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: News about the 128 accelerator board
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:25:27 GMT

OK, I've got the definitive accelerator board form.  I will post it to this
group in another article, and put it (as ASCII text) in /pub/rknop/parsec on
ccosun.caltech.edu.

About using the accelerator board in 64 mode, JBEE says that he doesn't see
any reason why you shouldn't get acceleration in 64 mode- so it sounds like
this might be a "renaissance" accelerator board.

I don't know what the deadline for getting the $50 deposit in is yet, and I am
not sure that the deadline is set, but I would imagine that y'all have at
least a few weeks or a month before it is too late.  But, to be safe, send in
your $50 deposit NOW to be assured of getting an accelerator board.  For those
of you who are thinking that you'll wait and see how the first run goes before
buying one, be aware that those who don't send in a $50 deposit to reserve one
may never have the opportunity to buy one of these boards.

-Rob Knop
rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu
From: fred@cbmvax.commodore.com (Fred Bowen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: 6526A CIA chip and Paperback Writer
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: fred@cbmvax.commodore.com (Fred Bowen)
Distribution: na
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

Frank.Prindle@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Frank Prindle) writes:
>In repairing my C64 recently, I replaced CIA  1 (originally a 6526) with
>a 6526A (because that was what was available).  In all respects, the
>replacement chip worked just fine; that is until I tried to load the old
>faithful word processor  "Paperback Writer (Version 1.20)", at which point
>the disk drive just sort of acts dumb and doesn't load anything.  I tried
>swapping in another C64 which did not have the replacement chip and it worked
>fine, as did the original C64 before the 6526 died.  Any clues what makes a
>6526A sufficiently different from a 6526 that this program won't load?
> [...]
>Frank Prindle
>Frank.Prindle@lambada.oit.unc.edu

I had to hop into my 'way-back machine for this.  'Way back to 1986 in
fact, when the 6526 was revised (primarily a process change) and became
the 8521.  Any MOS-6526 chips with a date code of "4486" or later are
really 8521s, but the name change was apparently so confusing that the
6526 moniker was retained.  The "A" to which you referred is a speed
designation and not a revision number, though.  If you look closely, you
will see another number, "216A", beside the date code.  If your 6526
chip has this special number on it, it's really an 8521 in disguise.

So much for name games- why doesn't it work?  A relatively minor fix
changed the timing of an IRQ generated by 6526 by one cycle (I forget
whether it's 1 cycle earlier or later), and this broke DSI's copy
protection scheme.  DSI subsequently relaxed their protection, and
quietly offered a disk exchange to folks who had problems with the
earlier programs.  I doubt this policy is still in effect, however.

If you can't get an updated copy of your DSI program, see if you
scavenge an older 6526 chip from an old C64.  The keyboard 6526 (U1)
is the one causing the DSI problem.  Supposedly some Batteries Included
programs were also affected, but I don't know which one(s).

By the way- hi Frank, good to "see" you!  I thought I lost you after
nadc was wacked.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: cpw8034@sigma.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924)
Subject: Amiga2000HD Workstation (2 monitors,A2320,2.0,SCSIhd, more!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:59:00 GMT

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  o A2320 Display Enhancer Video Card  (VGA Ouput/ flicker fixer)
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  o 2.04 Kickstart 512k ROM and Workbench Operating System
  o 12" Magnavox High Resolution Secondary Monitor
  o ECS Agnus for 1Mb of Chip RAM/  3 Mb Total RAM
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  o Two Mice, Mouse Master, & Sega Compatible 2-Button Joystick
  o Tons of Games, Animations, Music, & Utilities
  o All Manuals, Documentation, and Cables included

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Every component is in excellent condition and if preferred, installation,
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Complete Workstation:    $1350  o.b.o.

Call Alan at (409) 693-2924
or through E-Mail at CPW8034@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
From: chan@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: HI!
Date: 5 Sep 92 12:53:17 MST
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

Hi i am new here!  My name is Data Chan (alais). I have a commodore 64, 2 1541
disk drives, a supra rs-232 interface, a USRobotics modem (2400) and a 1802
monitor. I have 2 questions about commodore.
1. Is there any software comming up for the 64?

2. Are they still making 64 hardware

Oh yeah can someone fix my 1541-][? Somethings wrong with the circuit board. It
doesn't read or write.

Data Chan
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From: drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude)
Subject: C-64 gives Out of Memory errors on power up - ideas?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:43:27 GMT

I've got a C-64 here with some problems.
When I power it up,  I get the following: "?OUT OF MEMORY ERROR IN 0"

If I do a "?FRE (I)",  I get -621 back.  Obviously there is either a
memory problem,  or a ROM problem.

According to my ancient copy of the Commodore Diagnostician,  I should
check my RAMs.  Anyone else had this problem before?  Did it indeed turn
out to be a RAM chip? Any hints on diagnosing/replacing individual RAM
chips in a C-64.

Thanks, 

- Ted Drude (drudetb@infonode.ingr.com)

P.S.  Yes,  I did check my power supply.  First thing.  It's just fine. 
However,  this is a new power supply and an old console.  I just bought
the console (without PS) recently.  So the old PS may have went bad and
took out some chips.  Don't know that for sure,  but it's a possibility.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: grweiss@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory R. Weiss)
Subject: File transfer from C64 to IBM PC
Summary: I want to move my papers in ASCII to my PC 
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: c64, pc, ibm, transfer, files
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:22:57 GMT

	Hi.  I couldn't find a FAQ for this group, but I imagine this is one:
What's the cheapest/simplest way to transfer ASCII files from a C64 to an
IBM compatible machine?  My C64 is on its last legs, and I want to move all
those papers I did from SpeedScript to a more widely compatible ASCII, PC disk
format.  I know how to make the Speedscript files ASCII, but not how to
transfer them.  I don't particularly want to buy software that I am only going
to use once, but I will, if I have to.  I have a good understanding of
the C64 ins and outs, if needed.

    Thanks,
      --Greg Weiss
From: edwardp@ra.cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Looking for C compiler
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:41:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1992Sep15.145357.26200@cco.caltech.edu> rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop) writes:
>grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer) writes:
>
>>In article <18mcarINNp6u@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> beleznay@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Feri) writes:
>>>
>>>I am looking for a C compiler for a c64.
>>>If you have one for sale, please let me know.
>>>
>
>>Try to get in touch with DataBecker.  They were the only company that I was
>>ever familiar with that ever put out a C compiler for the Commodore.  It was
>>called Super C.
>
>There was another one called alternatively "Power C" and "C Power."  I think
>at times it was published by a number of different companies, but Spinnaker is
>one that comes to mind.  Power C has both a 64 and a 128 version, and unlike
>Super C, the two Power C versions are quite similar.  (The 128 version does,
>of course, take advantage of 80 columns and 2 MHz.)
>
>-Rob
>rknop@cco.caltech.edu

I believe TENEX COMPUTER EXPRESS   (800) PROMPT-1 is their 800 number, they
had C compilers at one time, I think they still do.

 - Ed

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From: dh158271@alfred.carleton.ca ( dh student 158271)
Subject: Text Editors
Summary: like, see above
Keywords: text editor, 64, compute's gazette
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:21:16 GMT


Since a couple people mentioned text editors (80-col, 128, anyway), I
figured I'd make an inquiry:
 
Does anyone know of a GOOD, full-featured text editor for the 64?
I use a variety of different wordprocessors and editors for
different things-Bobsterm's editor is probably one of the best
in my book, but it lacks certain advanced features (like handling
C= characters, for example, and moving blocks around is a drag).
 
A while ago I read in Compute's Gazette of a new editor (it came
out I guess four or five years ago) called the "Diamond Text
Editor".  The magazine claimed it was written by one of their
staff programmers, and that it was fully-featured.  It was
also rather pricy, as I remember, something like $30 US. 
 
Anyone have any information on this?  Suggestions for more
available text editors would also be helpful.  I usually
swap between Paperclip, Bobsterm, Novaterm's, and Darkterm's
text editors depending on my need.
 
Mark Shepherd (dh158271@ccs.carleton.ca)
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From: cpw8034@zeus.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924)
Subject: A2000HD-2.0,A2091,43MbHD,A2320,Multisync,1MbCHIP,2drives: $1388
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:14:00 GMT

Well, the title says it all.  I am now willing to sell the system out of
my state since I've just sold my digitizier setup.  It took up more volume
than my computer and was more delicate.  But anyway, I'm selling everything
in the subject heading for only $1388.  The multisync has an excellent
28mm dot pitch and a non flickering display in resolutions up to 724x480
provided by the A2320 display enhancer video card included.  Please call me
at (409) 693-2924 or email to respond.  I'm selling the computer because
school finances demands it.  

alan 
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From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: Epson 24 pin
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:19:49 GMT

Does anybody know anything about a supposed GEOS printer driver for Epson 24
pin printers?  Assuming it is distributable, if you do have this, could you
upload it to /pub/rknop/INCOMING at ccosun.caltech.edu?

Thanks,

-Rob Knop
rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu

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From: rmast@cs.vu.nl (Mast RN)
Subject: Re: Where can I ftp Desterm?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:45:21 GMT

I would also like to know where to ftp deskterm
thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: Re: 1541 disk drive cable
Keywords: 1541, disk, cable
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:04:09 GMT

massive@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Massive Onslaught) writes:

>If I am reading this correctly, then... you are incorrect.  The cable that
>connects the computer to the drive and drive to drive are the same... 

>It's a standard (well, Commodore 8 bit standard) 6 pin serial cable, and is
>avialable at any C= deal, for about $6.. Although, the price varies on the
>length, abviously...

>-Massive
>massive@lakes.trenton.sc.us

Actually, I guess I didn't make myself clear.  Yes, I was saying that the
cable to connect two disk drives together is the same as the one you use to
connect it to the computer.  While I realize that it is a standard for
Commodore 8 bits, I was not sure if it was an _industry_ standard cable that
you could get at any old electronics store.  (A lot of the CBM "standards" are
non-standard: RS-232 port, keyboard, character set, disk format, ....)

-Rob
rknop@cco.caltech.edu
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From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: Re: 1541 disk drive cable
Keywords: 1541, disk, cable
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:34:18 GMT

massive@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Massive Onslaught) writes:

>Show me one piece on the C= 8 Bits that _ARE_ Industry standard....

The power cord on the C=1571.

Nothing else comes to mind.

(Maybe the LED used for the 64 power light?)

-Rob
rknop@cco.caltech.edu
From: massive@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Massive Onslaught)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: 16 bit CRC source?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:51:42 EDT
Reply-To: massive@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

> Here's what I'm proposing:
> 
> There are several 'good' (or should that be 'excellent') C64 coders who
> read this group.  There is also a fairly large interest in having Zmodem
> available for the 64.  I'm willing to donate time and effort (experience)
> to complete the zmodem code, is anyone else?  Are there any suggestions
> as to how we can organize a group hack on the code?  I feel confident
> I can write pretty well any module from spec, or better still that I
> should be able to integrate various peoples modules into a single entity.
> 
> If a plan like this were followed we could have a (rather large) discussio
n
> here in comp.sys.cbm about the current work on the protocol, what remains
> to be done, and who will take care of what.  Then the code would be 
> written and then one person would integrate the various bits and pieces.

I consider myself to be a fairly decent coder, and I for one would love to
see this project finished... I've already sent the original author mail,
asking him for the part(s) that he had done, so I could take a look at it..
If there would be more people interested in helping, that would be great!

-Massive
massive@lakes.trenton.sc.us
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From: drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude)
Subject: Re: C-64 gives Out of Memory errors on power up - ideas?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.001823.17951@cco.caltech.edu> rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop) writes:
>drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude) writes:
>
>>I've got a C-64 here with some problems.
>>When I power it up,  I get the following: "?OUT OF MEMORY ERROR IN 0"
>
>>If I do a "?FRE (I)",  I get -621 back.  Obviously there is either a
>>memory problem,  or a ROM problem.
>
>I had a 64 that only gave me something like 7000 bytes free when I booted it
>up.  I stopped using it (bought a one a friend didn't need any more for $20).
>A couple of years later I decided to try to fix it, and at that point the
>screen came up blank.  Turned out that the problem was the PLA, as replacing
>it fixed the 64 (and it is able to access all of the memory now).
>
>The moral of the story is not that your PLA is bad, but that the problem
>_could_ be PLA.  It could also be RAM chips, as you mention.  I'm not sure
>what else it could be that would let you boot up but not show RAM.  (I 'spose
>some connection to the RAM chips could be bad or something.)

This is one of the motherboards where EVERYTHING,  but the SID and VIC
II are soldered.  I used to have an earlier model that had the PLA, 
6510,  and 6526s socketed.  So,  checking these chips by substitution is
going to be a pain.

There is a mythical diagnostic cart I've heard about that can pinpoint
bad chips. Does anyone know about this thing?

Or does anyone have some shortcut for diagnosing soldered chips?

Thanks, 

- Ted Drude (drudetb@infonode.ingr.com)

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From: drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude)
Subject: Re: Excalibur 2000
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:09:51 GMT

In article <21656@optima.cs.arizona.edu> mcbride@cs.arizona.edu (Chris M. McBride) writes:
>
>   I picked up a cheap(free) 1541 wannabe, an Enhancer 2000. Well its
>kinda missing its power cord. Anyone have any ideas on where I can get
>a replacement?
> 
>Chris

It uses an external power supply.  Don't know about the volts/amps
but you should be able to find something surplus to substitute for the
orginal,  once you figure it out.

- Ted
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