From: ling@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Gary LING)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:39:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <Bw14MJ.18G@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
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>Read my words again. I did not bash normal CSS who are going to be benefited
>by this bill. Whom I looked down upon are those so called "blood cardres",
>those who actively put this bill into law by any means. Their deeds are simply 
>disgusting. 

If you think those CSS who lead the lobby, and worked day and night to push 
the bill into law are simply because they are "just uncompetent cowards 
without confidence in themselves" (your words), You are darn wrong! I bet 
they could have already had an easy life if they spent 1/10 of the energy 
to find jobs for themselves.

>What I feel toward the silent majority who are benefited from this 
>bill is just disappointment. 

Me too. If you know this is good and you WILL take advantage of
this, do sth for it, don't always expect the free ride.

>They kept silent even though they knew this bill 
>did not come through moral means just because they are benefited. Those "blood
>cardres" are simply encouraged by this silence. Are they "unselfish"?
>Read their statement asking for donations. They want to keep this IFCSS
>running. But I predict that the pass of this bill will only speed its death. 
>They have become professional politician and they live on it. 

Wether this bill is moral/justified or not, it is up to everyone's own
judgement. Enough has been argued about this on the net, and I don't think
I can do a better job to convince you on this point. In my mind, the bottom
line of this bill is: it is CCP who did the killing, and this bill
doesn't hurt other Chinese.
Now, what's wrong about asking for donations? Travel, fax, and all sort of
things cost money. If you think this is another 'get-rich-quick' scheme,
you are wrong again! (just think about how much money they really collected)

>The result of
>this bill could be good for those CSS(maybe including me), but what happened
>here in the US simply shows that the moral standard of current Chinese
>intellectuals are so low that they do not deserve to lead China into 
>democracy, though they always think they do. This is also why almost
>all the so-called oversea democatic organization are dying these days.

Again, wether the CSS moral standard is low or not is up to one's own
judgement, and wether they deserve to lead China or not, is up to the
judgement of majority Chinese people. And I am not sure that the oversea
democratic organizations are dying because of low moral standard.

>When I saw those "blood cardres" relentlessly pushing CMFN on China, painting
>China as bad as they can in order to show that they need "protection", while
>the CSS majority just kept silence, I also feel something is missing. That is 
>sense of justice. That is LOVE, love to your fellow Chinese people inside China.

Even though I myself have some reservation on the CMFN lobby(due to the
attachment of conditions other than human rights), it is a
resolution passed by IFCSS congress, which in my mind, represents 
the majority of CSS here. You may argue about this, but I think, as the
only nationwide independent CSS organization, we ordinary CSS should
actively get involved in its activities, voice your opinion at the local
chapter (if you are not a Gao Gan :-) ), and cast your vote, or even try to
run the office. You have the chance and the right.

>Back to my original article, I was arguing that those talented people do not
>depend on this bill to live on the US and they do not care. I assume you agree 
>with me. 

Well, it depends. If you define 'talented people' as those like young faculty 
members at MIT, Harvard or Stanford, you may be right. But how many are
they? If you look at, say top 5% of CSS here in USA, I don't agree with
you. Yes, they may be able to struggle and survive here (how about a
Physics PhD has to get another CS master to find a programmer job?), but 
with this bill, they would definitely have a better chance. If you know
something about the job market, for a lot of top companies like IBM, TI,
Kodak, etc, without PR/citizenship, you don't even have a chance to take a
shot. 
And one more important thing, a lot of people I know of, who don't need the
bill, do care about it, and as a matter of fact, they supported it in many
ways simply because they know it will benefit many of our fellow CSS so
that they don't have to go through the painful struggle again.

-GL
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