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From: ae01045
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: We Understand Their Language; We Do Not Look Down On Them, 'Witt.'
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: vx.8APR199214183226
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <m0lYNie-0003RGC@ddsw1.mcs.com>, han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes...
>Did you ever read newspaper at all? The Rights and Freedoms movement
>Turks formed in Bulgaria has entered the democratic parliament as the
>third largest political force in that country. It would be very hard
>to form a government in Bulgaria without the Turks. The former 
>hard-line leader of Albania, Ramiz Alia, said that he would 'go
>to Turkiye if the Turkish president cannot visit Albania' and thus
>became our guest. The visits paid by the leaders of the seceding
>Yugoslav republics to Turkiye were not for touristic purposes.
> 
>Why are these people looking to us? Because we understand their 
>language; we do not look down on them. In our 500-year history
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>we have exchanged things in cuisine, music, and folklore. Because
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>there are Turks and Muslims in some of these countries. That is not 
>all. The eyes and hearts of Turkic people in x-Soviet Union are with 
>us. Does not the march by the Kazan Turks carrying Turkish flags 
>mean anything?
>
[plenty of stuff deleted]
> 
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
> 
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Aha, now I see. So that's the way you see the the occupation by the
Otoman Empire: exchange in cuisine.... Well, that certainly opens
our eyes. Please keep us posted on how you see life in the 
century of the Turks (you use that somewhere in your article with
respect to the XXI century). I hope we do not get that kind of
cusine. I wonder how do the Turks talk the same language as the
Bulgarians, who have a slavic language?

Anyways... your posting start being funny. Even though, please
keep them to other newsgroups, or are you so busy typing that
you cannot follow anymore where it goes.

Yours

'Peter?'
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From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: These Nations Who Still Feel ...
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:43:05 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

ae01045 writes:

>>Balkans but the INCREDIBLE ignorance and displeasure of the Western
>>European elite towards muslims naturally direct them towards *any*
>>caring side. Can anyone in EC explain the hypocracy that Croatia
>>and Slovenia has been recognized while Bosnia and Macedonia is not,
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>Read the newspaper, or listen to the news.

Read the poster date. The article is written a day before that.

As for the newspaper/news, Macedonia is still not to be recognized. 
Anyway, it does not change the idea on the discriminating attitude of the EC
elite in Balkans or in anywhere else.

Regards
Kutluk
From: tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: soccer news
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:12:48 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


Besiktas 1  Fenerbahce 0
 Zeki 89'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Selami Cicek)
Subject: araniyor
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:05:07 GMT

**********************************************************************
ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR 
                             GAkkos the ODTU
**********************************************************************

12 Nisan 1992 tarihinde soc.culture.turkish'e bir adet tahrik kalibi
attiktan sonra kendisinden haber alinamayan Gakkos the ODTU aranmaktadir.
Gakkos,
  Oglum, yoklugunda perisan olduk. Neredesin ? SCT sakinlerinden
Korhan bir sise mushil icip intihar etme girisiminde bulundu. Simdi
tuvaletde yogun bakimda. Ayrica net sakini Hakki uzuntuden, kizamik
geciriyor. Gakkos, oglum geri don. Seni cok ozledik, cok merak ediyoruz.

Net sakinleri, Hakan, Osman ve digerleri.....

**********************************************************************
ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR ARANIYOR
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: What Makes 'Krugman' 'Un-Impartial,' 'zavalli?'
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:43:00 GMT


<1992Apr7.233943.12722@athena.mit.edu>
zaval@athena.mit.edu (Antonis)

>Well, the problem is that we are not talking about trained eyes. 

What makes 'Krugman' 'un-impartial,' 'zavalli.' The fact that
you disagree with him?

>The guy
>has blind eyes, deaf ears and big mouth.

This is utter assertion, without even a hint of factual data to confirm
it. Again, what do you have to say? A fabrication of the 'scholars?'

Source: 'United Nations, Human Development Report,' 1990.

Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to Purchasing Power
Parity: Turkiye, Greece and Chile are in the same category. That
is, $3,000 - $5,999. 

Source: 'International Economics: Theory and Policy' by Paul R.
        Krugman and Maurice Obstfeld, Harper Collins Publishers,
        1991, (second edition).

In terms of 'Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to 
Purchasing Power Parity,' Greece is in the same category with 
Turkiye.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: The PKK Representatives Direct Their Activities From Germany, 'Bonten.'
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:27:22 GMT
Organization: RBI - RWTH Aachen

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

>Your inability to distinguish between 'terrorists' and 'civilian
>population' is truly amazing.

It seems to me that this inability is on the side of the turkish police forces.

>>Yes, some of the PKK are terrorists, but what happens in Kurdis-
>>tan is not a police action. 

>Your opinion. Hardly fact, hardly useful.

Police don't use military tanks.


--
Heute hack ich, morgen crack ich, uebermorgen hol ich mir dem SysOp sein Login.
Ach wie gut dass niemand weiss, dass ich oli@math.rwth-aachen.de heiss.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: guven@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Guven Guzeldere)
Subject: Re: DUNYA GUZELI
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.162708.21948@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
camh@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Hasan Cam) writes: 
>
>From: TAPS6@CLUSTER.SUSSEX.AC.UK
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Asagidaki  yazi 3.Nisan.1992 tarihli Turkiye Gazetesinde alinmis
>Prof.Dr. Ayhan Songar' in yazisidir. Bilgilerinize sunuyorum.
>Z.Arvasi
>*****************************************************************
>
>                              DEHSET
>[...]
>
>BIR ZAMANLAR SOKAGI BILE KAFES ARKASINDAN SEYREDEBILEN
>MUSLUMAN KADINLARIN TEMSILCISI TURK GUZELI KERIMAN MAYO ILE ARAMIZDADIR.
>[...]
>BIR ZAMANLAR FRANSA DA OYNANAN DANSA MUDAHALE EDEN K. SULTAN
>SULEYMANIN TORUNU ISTE MAYO VE SUDUYEN ILE ONUMUZDEDIR.
>[...]
>************************************************************************

Keriman Halis'in, Kanuni Sultan Suleyman'in torunu oldugunu ben de
vaktiyle isitmistim ama pek ihtimal vermemistim. Bu vesileyle Ayhan
Songar ustaddan ogrenmis olduk. Yaziklar olsun. Kadini kafesinden
cikartip, mayo ve suduyen ile Hristiyanlarin onunde birakmislar.
Dehset icinde kalmamamin mumkunati yok.

GG



-=-                                                   -=-
Guven Guzeldere
Center for the Study of Language and Information (CSLI)
Ventura Hall, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-4115
(415) 723-0515 /  guven@csli.stanford.edu
-=-                                                   -=-
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Do You Always Watch The Irrelevants, 'Lars?'
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.m0lbWSW-0003YPC


<FISCHER.92Apr14235943@thor.iesd.auc.dk>
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)

Mutlu>  Let me guess, you are an intellectual sociopath, indifferent
Mutlu> to truth, perhaps just another propagandist frozen in the 1970s
Mutlu> like a fly in amber, combining moral arrogance with historical
Mutlu> ignorance.

>Well, Hasan, you're improving. Not at all at the level of Oleg or
>Mikhail, but still, the above is pretty hilarious. Good flow, the odd
>obscure word, surreal accusations. 

Are you slipping into a coma, 'Lars?' Satire does not look pretty upon
a 'fis*her.'

>Keep it up and you really might
>make it to the "flaming-as-art" class.

Do you always watch the irrelevants? Will you not disbelieve these 
sources?

Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question.
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

p. 907.

"In all the occupied territory from which the Russians were withdrawing,
 the Turks were exposed to attacks by the Armenians, who were attempting 
 to take over the administration. The Turkish population was forced to
 leave their homes and flee. There were large number of unwarranted 
 arrests and many were killed. Antranik arrived in Erzurum as a general
 in Russian uniform to take over the defence of the city, and he was 
 joined there by Doctor Zavriev, who had previously been appointed 
 Deputy Governor-General of the occupied provinces. The atrocities and
 massacres committed by the Armenians continued in their fury."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Dunya'da Turkiye -misir- (Rakamlarla Turkiye)
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:09:55 GMT
Organization: Columbia University


 
devam-Dunya'da Turkiye
 
Misir ve pirinc uretimleri.
 
uretim   yillar   1935   1940    1950    1960    1970    1980     1985     1990
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Dunya   115.4  120.8     146     213     260     396      488      520
Misir  (mil.Ton) 
         Turkiye   0.5    0.7     0.6     1.1     1.0     1.2      1.9      2.0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Dunya   151.2    150     160     236     306     400      474      530
Pirinc (mil.ton)
         Turkiye   0.1    0.01   0.05    0.11    0.16    0.14     0.16     0.24
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         
* Misir uretiminde Turkiye'nin Dunya'da ki payi 1950'de % 0.41 iken, 1990'da
   % 0.38'e gerilemistir.
 
* Kisi basina misir uretimi 1950 yilinda Dunya'da 58.4 kg iken, Turkiye'de
  28.7 kg idi. 1990 yilinda ise kisi basina uretim dunya'da 100 kg'a, 
  Turkiye'de ise 35 kg'a cikmistir.
 
* Pirinc uretiminde Dunya'da ki payimiz 1950 yilinda % 0.03 iken,1990'da % 0.04
  olmustur.
 
* Kisi basina uretim 1950 de Dunya'da 64 kg, Turkiye'de 2.39 kg, 1990 yilinda
  ise 101 kg'a, turkiyede ise 4.2 kg'a cikmistir.
 
* Bazi ulkelerin ana beslenme tahili pirinc olup, uretimleri ve tuketimleri
  cok fazladir. Turkiye'de ana beslenme tahili bugdaydir..   
 
 
 
saygilarimla,
ismet
 
           Iktisat demek hersey demektir.Yasamak icin, mesut olmak icin,
           insanin varligi icin ne gerekse hepsi demektir.
From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish Motor Industry Growth
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:04:46 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.


>Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:17:13 BST
>From: Haluk DEMIRBAG <TEX5HAD@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1>


 AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTION INCREASES

In the first  two months of 1992, 54,661  vehicles were produced.
The automotive  Industry Association  stated that in  January and
February  1992 tyhe  greatest  number of  vehicles, 22,869,  were
manufactured  by  the  TOFAS company  and  OYAK-Renault  produced
17,601.

      The Turkish Automotive Production in 1991-1992

                          (February)             First two months
Type                     1991      1992          1991        1992
------------------------------------------------------------------
Tow Trucks                 17         4            23          22
Trucks                   1239      1647          1681        3232
Pick-up Trucks            637      1301           942        2664
Automobiles            14,408    20,316        16,932      42,720
Buses                      79       116           132         255
Minibuses                 658     1,013           983       1,976
Midibuses                 240       460           528         875
Tractors                1,465     1,357         1,908       2,958
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Total                  18,743    26,214        23,120      54,072
-----------------------------------------------------------------

NEWSPOT
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: There Was 'Orders' Given That Turks And Kurds Should Be Slaughtered.
Keywords: 'Ermeni Mezalimi.'
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:44:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: anadolu.9204062244
Reply-To: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4


<koj91eINNjsm@girtab.usc.edu>
perkon@girtab.usc.edu (Perikles Konstantinides)

>I wanna get laid"..... 
>Finance, USC

Source: Veysel Eroglu, "Ermeni Mezalimi," Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 
        1978.

pp. 169-170.

"Ermeni Mezalimi'nin Erzincan'daki canli sahidi Haci Dursun'un bu 
 kitabin yazarina aglayarak anlattiklarini arzediyorum:

 'Erzincan'da ahaliyi kisim kisim toplamaya Ruslar'in cekilmesinden
  bir ay sonra basladilar. Once imamlari ve muhtarlari Devekuru'ya 
  yol yapma bahanesiyle topladilar. Fakat bunlari Kilise Meydanindaki
  Kiliseye goturup aksam oldugunda onar kisilik kafileler halinde kuyu
  baslarina getirip davar keser gibi kestiler. Sonra diger halki da 
  emsaliyle toplayip ayni hunharca mezalimi irtikap ettiler.'"


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: hbm@ddsw1.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: The Gang Treacherously Murdered And Burned Over 200 People, 'Gav*.'
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:39:00 GMT


<22040402370661@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>Mutlu-the-cannibal!!!
>Exposing(literally) your corass, is not the best gift I can give
>to myself mutlu-malak(I know you only wash it every other ramazan),
>but what the mutlu,  I'll have you scrab and bleach it first....
 
Don't let your own needs get in your way, 'Gav*0.'

'Ottoman Archives:'

        "Document No: 59," Archive No: 1/1, Cabin No: 105, Drawer 
        No: 1, File No: 153, Section No: 682, Contents No: 45.
        (To Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army
        Vehip Mehmet)

"According to information received from the reconnaissance column in
 Bayburt, an Armenian gang of 250 infantry and 100 cavalry, left Bayburt
 and withdrew to Erzurum over Sandik inns. Before leaving Bayburt, the
 gang treacherously murdered and burned over 200 people."

                 (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Karadeniz Turkuleri (Was: Re: News)
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <1992Apr10.001542.23026@athena.mit.edu>, ertas@athena.mit.edu
(Mehmet D Ertas) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.214914.20619@seas.smu.edu>, bayrak@seas.smu.edu
(Coskun Bayrak) writes:
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> |> BIR KARADAENIZ TURKUSU
> |> Trabzonun adini aca kim idi yazan
> |> oyle baglandim ogan (ona) varmi galbuni (kalbini) bozan.
> |> 
> |> Her sey gonlunuzce olsun ve iyi calismalar...
> |> 
> |> Coskun Bayrak
> 
> Bu yaziyi okuyunca aklima geldi: gecen yaz Turkiye'deyken cesitli Halk
Turkulerinin
> kayitlarini aramistim; ancak kasetcilerden pek birsey cikmamisti.
Ozellikle Karadeniz
> yoresinden derlenmis turkulerin bulundugu bir kaset,plak,CD vs. olup
olmadigini
> bilen varsa bana hakkinda bilgi gonderebilir mi? 

	Bende cok aradim ne yazik cok zor bu tur muzik kasetleri bulmak.
	Muzik dukkanlarina sorunca hemen ibo'yu bagirtiyorlar ciyak-ciyak
	bir halk turkusu tamamen arabesklesmis, her tonuyla.


	Ama cok Azeri kasetleri elde edebildim.


> Cesitli turku sozlerinin nete gonderilmesi de ne guzel olur!

	Cok guzel bir fikir, Turkiyede yasayan arkadaslar, belki derlemede
	faydali olurlar. Bir zamanlar OTDU'de cok guzel bir halk turkuleri
	calismasi vardi, merak ediyorum ne oldu, devam ediyormu?

	Nota da gonderilebilirmi newsgroup'ta bir kalip bulunursa??
	ASCII-nota hakkinda bilgisi olan varmi?
	Aslinda benim notaya daha cok ihtiyacim oluyor, bazen cok guzel
	yeni turkuler kulagima carpiyor, kaydini bulmak zor.
     
> Selam ve Sevgiler,
	Bendende
 
> Deniz

Selam getirmisem
Suleyman Kondakci
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: ** ALERT! ** Mutlu is Mutating to "hbm" - Update KILL files!'
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:11:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

This is my updated kill file for NN:

---cut here---
:!n=:Ahmet Cosar
:!n=:hasan.b.mutlu
:!n=:hbm@ddsw1.UUCP
---end---

This morning 4 'mutant Mutlus' went down in flames after the encounter with
the new kill file... 9 old ones were bagged by the kill file before the
modification.

Good hunting!

:-)

Long Haired Nick

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From: HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Re: Mutluk
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:25:27 GMT

>
>      Cry, baby, cry!  You call Ivan the Terrible anti-Turkish.
>      In the first place, get your facts straight.  He defeated
>      and subjugated the Kazan' Tatars, who are not Turks.  I am
>
>-- Eduard Wiener

We have a small community of Kazan Tatars here in the Bay Area. Some
are born in Kazan proper, some second generation folks born in
anywhere from Manchuria, Turkey or Japan from refugee parents.

They have an association called "American Turco-Tatar association"
Some have never been to Turkey but they carry Turkish passports.
Some feel and say that they are Turks (Kazan Turku) some from what
I hear feel that they are different.

I was with one of them two weeks ago at the Azeri Nevruz night.
He was in Turkey for only three years in 1950's. He was born in
Japan. He went to Turkey in 1950's to do his military service
with the Turkish navy.

And the odd thing is Mr. Agi has never been to Kazan. His American
wife was there!

The families who live in the reception area of our radio programs
are dedicated listeners. One family is planning to come and visit
us.

But of course, those who say that they are Turks or say that they
have nothing to do with being Turks include some other "ethnic"
groups from or around Turkey:
   - Most of the Jewish folks I met from Turkey say we are Turks.
Of course, this "most" adjective may not be very accurate in the
statistical sense, because I may be meeting "most" of the time
who feel that way!
   - My friend Garabet (he is 70+ year old) was saying that "we
Armenians are the real Turks" when he was talking about recent
Turkish history. We were at a party of of about 20 people, and I
was the only "ethnic" Turk.
   - My Uigur friend Anwar is a staunch backer of the adjective
"Turk" when it comes to the Turkic groups of Sinkiang.
   - Our Uzbek friends feel the same way...

The point is, we are going to find that it is useless for us
discuss how various groups consider themselves. Just go and ask
them. You will find that some do some don't feel that they are
Turks. Within an open society, the similarities of various ethnic
groups will be easier to comprehend, and there will be new identi-
ties, resurrection of old ones...

The idea of uniting all the groups who feel themselves as Turks is
a different matter. Arab world has been professing to be all Arabs
for several decades, but their unity is no where in sight.

There are both Arab and non-Arab oponents of such and idea.

The important thing is to ensure that there is mutual respect,
cooperation and effort to make a better world for whatever-they-
feel nationality. Stress the similarities. Start with basics: We
all have two eyes, a nose, etc. Differences? Let them contribute
to the diversity and strength of the mankind...

Your friendly trknws-l owner/editor