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From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price)
Subject: Re: IIvx/vi and MIDI: some information, more questions
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:11:30 GMT
Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <30704@castle.ed.ac.uk>, ngse18@castle.ed.ac.uk (J R Evans)
wrote:
> Today's issue of the UK magazine Sound on Sound contains some more information
> on this topic, in its "Software Support" column.  The copy is contributed
> by the software manufacturers themselves, so shouldn't be excessively mangled
> by the journalists.  Here is what Steinberg say, verbatim:
>   
>   ... discussion of increasing hardware demands ...
   
>   ...Now Apple has a fix.  All owners of the IIvx can get hold of a new 
>   system extension called *System Enabler* [bold text] direct from their
>   Apple distributor, and the problem just goes away. It's free, but as it's 
>   an Apple product, it will not be available from Steinberg or their dealers."

>   ... article continues with enthusiastic discussion of Duos 210 and 230,
>   but no mention of any problems with those ...

I don't believe there are any MIDI problems with the Duos, either with or
without a dock.

> ... And they tell us to go get a System Enabler, without
> telling us which SE! [vx/vi systems come with System Enabler 001, no option].

The new System Enabler is version 1.0.1, and I believe the name is "System
Enabler 001."  The enabler is for both the IIvx and IIvi.

> So please (pretty please!) can someone at Apple please tell us all what's
> going on?  If Apple has released an updated Enabler to fix this problem,
> why no announcement in c.s.m.a?  Will it be available for anonymous ftp
> from ftp.apple.com?

They're working on getting it on the FTP site.  When something is available
there, I'll submit an annoncement to c.s.m.a if Mark Johnson doesn't. 
Please don't bug Mark with mail asking about it -- he's doing all he can!

I've directed followups to comp.sys.mac.hardware, but I'll try to remember
to post to the synth groups when the enabler is available via FTP.

noah

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hak@jyu.fi (Henry Hente Kolari)
Subject: K2000 mailinglist attention!!!!
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:56:45 GMT


Hello!

I'm trying to reach a person, who is on the K2000 mailinglist, but his mail
address isn't correct (not even close), because I can't reach him via mail..
So, John Rossi (@eagle.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil) could you send me your proper mail-
address, and I'll put you on the list...

  -Henry Kolari
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI primer via ftp?
From: villa@sparrow (Ferdinando Villa)
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:02:29 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Ecologia Universita' di Parma
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You can subscribe to the EMUSIC-L mailing list by sending a SUBSCRIBE
EMUSIC-L <your name> to listserv@auvm.bitnet. Then you can get a fairly
complete MIDI spec with GET PACKAGE. I do not remember the instruction but
when you subscribe you will get an introduction explaining everything. The
package is 11 files.

Ciao, ferdinando

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Institute of Ecology                     Direct phone: +39-521-905615
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From: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Mark A Bialik)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Soundblaster
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:05:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu

Hello,

My friend and I are disk jockeys at a local station.  We would like to cut
promos at home with our computers and synths.  We need a device that will
allow us to play tones and samples with the synth, and do cd playback,
cassette, and microphone processing.  We have an audio mixer, so this
shouldn't be a problem.  In the end, we hope to produce our thirty second
spots and save them on disk, then record the disk back to cassette.  Being
amateurs in this area, we don't know a heck of a lot about what's out
there.  A few people recommended something called Soundblaster.  Can anyone
tell me the pros and cons, and what exactly you can do with this thing?  Of
course, we'd like to saty under $200.  Any other recommendations?

Thanks,
Mark

P.S. We have a 286/16 and 386DX/33 with Windows 3.1


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University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
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From: mccombj@alleg.edu (The Great Gazoo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: copied message
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:41:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: pellns.1993Jan21.154137.15702
Reply-To: mccombj@alleg.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <199320.4213.10627@dosgate> "headly westerfield"  
<headly.westerfield@canrem.com> writes:
>    (January 16th)
>    In 1980, Paul McCartney was arrested at the Tokyo Airport after
> customs officials found marijuana in his baggage. He spent nine days in
> jail before being deported from Japan.
> 
>    Also in 1984, a Barbados judge fined Paul and Linda McCartney 100
> dollars each for possession of marijuana.
> 
>    (January 17th)
>    In 1984, Linda McCartney was arrested for possession of marijuana at
> London's Heathrow Airport under her return from Barbados.

..from the "This just isn't our month" department?
_________________________________________________________
Joe McCombs, who can be reached at <mccombj@alleg.edu>...
    "We shall not cease from exploration
       And the end of all our exploring
         Will be to arrive where we started
           And know the place for the first time."
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Paul's new song
Reply-To: wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:02:08 GMT

It's a bit obvious that occasionally Macca's voice goes south in live
performances, but from comparing the pre-tour photo-ops for his World
Tour in 89, and from my experience from attending the fourth to last
concert in the tour(in Foxboro, Mass.) his voice improved dramatically-
I just think he got out of practice.  It should also be pointed out that he 
attempts to do things with his voice other artists simply won't(or can't)
do, including Harrison, who exhibits a limited range even on album.
   Meanwhile, back in the Hope of Deliverance camp, I love this song!  
First fifty listens makes me point out several things: It has a non-standard
song structure, both overall and within the verses- repeating something
twice might be normal, but the second time through isn't a repeat- he 
continues right into the next line, usually with some change that is
unexpected.  This, if anything, might be a subtle sign of Oratorio 
influences.  The chords are simple(as usual) but so much is done with
C, Am, G(mayhaps G7, I'm waffling on this one, depending on when I
listen to the song.) "and a bit of F", to quote unplugged, you can't
help but be pleased.  At least I can't help be pleased, anyway.  Finally,
after Flowers In the Dirt, with the only two songs reflecting something
us young'ins can relate to(We Got Married?  Love the song, but on the
identification side, we're hurting) with My Brave Face, You Want Her Too
, Put It There, and Figure of Eight, oh, okay, This One and Rough ide.
Geesh.  Anyway, generally speaking, songs from the point of view of someone
in the seminal period of a relationship(strong one in this case) aren't
particularly common for modern McCartney, for obvious reasons, yet Hope
of Deliverance is definitely of this category.  This song could easily
have been written in the Beatle days, methinks, and if you first doubt,
look at the words(which are very Beatlish, methinks again), and imagine
a Beatlesque arrangement.  
	Anyhow, ciao, Cheers everyone on Macca's new release, and here's
to hoping we get another pressing of "Deliverance!", and I won't have
to meet you at the record conventions hunting down bootlegs!
			Walter White
			WRW5473@isc.rit.edu
From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Hope of Deliverance
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:25:17 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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I think he's probably just talking about love. If you feel like labelling
that as "Christian", go ahead, but evil/darkness/hope/love are all
concepts not entirely unknown to people of other religions. 
In various interviews, Paul has leaned towards the view that
institutionalized religions are quite irrelevant, unnecessary, and in fact
downright malign (in causing war, friction etc). What sound like
religious references (Mother Mary in _Let It Be_ , "heavenly father" in
_Motor_of_Love etcetera) usually mean something more personal to him.
(Mother Mary = Mary McCartney, heavenly father = Jim McCartney). I don't
think he's particularly religious, I think all the Beatles believed in
spirituality rather than religious fervour or feeling.
In the _Oratario_ there's something he says about "God" just being "good"
without an 'o' and "Devil" just being "evil" with a 'D'. (I'm being very
careful about religious sentiments here by capitalizing 'G' and 'D').
Religion is personified spirituality for him, I think.
The new single is probably about hope as an abstract force, not the second
coming or whatever.
And then of course there's Charles Manson who believed that the Beatles
were programmed by de debbil!
From: tipeve@uta.fi (Pertti Vehkalahti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Sugar Plum Fairy ???
Keywords: Sergeant Pepper, Lou Reed, Transformer
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:18:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland



I recently saw a document about the making of Sergeant Pepper.
There was some talk about one song (I can't remember which one) on the album.
Their producer told that "John said twice "Sugar Plum Fairy, Sugar Plum Fairy"
and started to sing."
What made me wondering is that Lou Reed sings something about Sugar Plum Fairy
in Walk on the Wild Side on his Transformer-record. I've had information about
Reed's Fairy that s/he was a transvestite who was hanging at Andy Warhol's
studio by the time the Velvet Underground were there, too. But I've been told
that s/he was not that important character to mention, that Lou Reed sings
about her just because the name sounds good.
So, does anybody see any connection between these fairies?
Or, if Sugar Plum Fairy is just some English/American folklore or some common
knowledge to native English-speakers, please let me know anyway. :)

Pertti Vehkalahti
University of Tampere
Finland

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From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Vitally Important
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:10:46 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu
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This is a very important question. Has Madonna ever met McCartney?
(Somebody asked me, so I wondered). I know she's met George Harrison
during the making of that horrid film, Shanghai Surprise, and I know she
once went to a party Yoko had for Bob Dylan, and when Yoko asked everyone
to take off their shoes Madonna took off her top instead. (I think it was
an attempt at humour, the poor dear).
Anyway... Don't bother answering, I'll invent a shocking story and tell the
person who asked.
From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Opinions about USSR album
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:53:43 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu
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The USSR album is great, I would say that it ranks with the Unplugged
album (it's more energetic, though). A worthy investment unless you hate
or are indifferent to rock'n'roll.

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: s0730076@let.rug.nl (W.J. van de Vis)
Subject: Re: Beatle 3/4 Reunion
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:19:24 GMT

In article <A31186@KI.maus.de> Frank_Schwedler@ki.maus.de (Frank Schwedler) writes:
>From: Frank_Schwedler@ki.maus.de (Frank Schwedler)
>Subject: Re: Beatle 3/4 Reunion
>Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 12:43:00 GMT
>>A friend who is well aware of my obsession with the Beatles told me that
>>they were planning some kind of a reunion with Paul, George, and Ringo.
>>He wasn't sure of any details, but I knew that if I brought it up here,
>>you all could tell me something about it.  The smile hasn't left my face
>>since I heard.
>wl>
>wl>        Actually, as I understand it - the three remaining Beatles have
>wl>been negotiating a 'Beatles Story' with two BIG networks (ABC, CBS I
>wl>think), and are looking to play themselves.  A good source (from MCA
>wl>records) also told me that they are discussing singing on the pilot.
>
>Paul has played his new song in a German-TV-show yesterday. After that he gave
>an interview. He said (in Starclub-German) that himself, George and Ringo will
>play in a (british) TV serial together. But he denies a reunion of the three
>remaining Beatles...
>
>Paul has announced a concert in Frankfurt/Germany February, 22nd. Hope it is
>not the only concert in Germany!
>
>Frank Schwedler@ki.maus.de

God let them forget about the stupid reunion. I mean, enjoy their old 
albums, sing their old songs but don't let them force themselves into an "
old guys back together situation"! John is dead, the Beatles are dead, sad 
but true. 
doei,
ill
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: New Beatlesque Music!
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:21:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.1k3oef$li9
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>Remember, Elvis was originally with Sun, Buddy Holly was rejected
>by Decca and signed with Brunswick, the Beatles were also 
>rejected by Decca and signed with Parlophone.  

I suspect that the "also" above is wrong.  American Decca is a different
company from British Decca.  The latter is associated with the London
label in the US (and subsidiary labels like Parrot and others that I
forget).  I don't think American Decca exists any more.

On the other hand, the early Who albums were on American Decca, but my
British copy of _My Generation_ is on Bunswick, which seems to be a
division of British Decca!  So now I'm confused...  (Some later Who
albums seem to be American Decca, British Polydor.)
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:37:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Latinesque music in pop: corrections
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

>(saki) / 10:57 am  Jan 25, 1993 /

>Latin music was popular much earlier than "La Bamba", to wit, Xavier Cugat
>and Desi Arnaz (really!) in the forties and fifties, dance crazes like
>mambo and the cha-cha in the fifties, bossanova (Joao Gilberto, Antonio
>Carlos Jobim) in the early sixties. And Paul was influenced by the
>relatively-mainstream "Besame Mucho" when he was but a pup, musically
>speaking.

... (Much good info about Latin music deleted)

What has not been brought up yet is the very broad influence Latin music
has had on pop music (including rock and the Beatles) beyond the
explicitly Latin songs mentioned.  The Latin dance "crazes" of the
fifties filtered into all kinds of pop music and especially R&B - jazz
had begun incorporating Latin influences in the forties.  Early sixties
R&B was strongly characterized by Latin beats (consider the Drifters'
"Save the Last Dance for Me" and "Up on the Roof") and this in turn
influenced the Beatles.  The handclaps on "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" are
ultimately Latin derived, if only 3rd or 4th hand.

- Gary Rosen
From: prasadw@haven.Eng.Sun.COM (Prasad Wagle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Give Peace a Chance
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:56:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: haven
Keywords: Lennon, Shaved, Fish, Peace, Chance

I recently bought a CD version of the album "Shaved Fish" by John Lennon 
and Yoko Ono.  The first song in the album is "Give Peace a Chance". 
This song has four stanzas in the album lyrics, but the actual song ends 
after two stanzas.  Is this the way it's supposed to be? Is there any 
album in which the song contains all the four stanzas? Please reply to
me directly.

Thanks,
Prasad
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Automatic Double Tracking (ADT)
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:30:25 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Over in rec.music.makers, someone recently asked about this technique, which
I seem to recall being discussed here in rec.music.beatles, and the answers
being posted don't jibe with what I think I remember about it.  Could someone
who knows either mail me a desciption of the technique, or, better yet, post
it to r.m.m. (and probably here in r.m.b., too, in order to ward off the
inevitable "I wanna know, too" postings that this will generate!).

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: etxrene@eua.ericsson.se (Rene Peeren)
Subject: Re: Please teach me .
Reply-To: etxrene@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:09:25 GMT

In article 1k6q1vINNbji@slab.mtholyoke.edu, mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey) writes:
> I'm an utter heathen from India, so i tremble to say anything about the
> Judeo-Christian tradition, but isn't it YHWH, not JHVA? That's what I
> gathered from `Foucault's Pendulum' (Umberto Eco), anyway.
> 

I think you're right. In old hebrewish (right spelling?), the consonents were
left out I believe (in writings). Thus the confusion:
is YHWH YaHWeH (right spelling?), or YeHoWaH? I think most experts agree
now that the latter is right.
From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sugar Plum Fairy ???
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:20:48 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <9221@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:
> In article <8268@kielo.uta.fi> tipeve@uta.fi (Pertti Vehkalahti) writes:
>>Or, if Sugar Plum Fairy is just some English/American folklore or some common
>>knowledge to native English-speakers, please let me know anyway. :)
> 
> It is a name out of folklore, but I truly can't remember exactly from where.
> Some fairy tale, I believe.

Could it perhaps be in reference to Tchaikowski's (sp) "Dance of the Sugar Plum
Fairy" from his _Nutcracker Suite_?

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Graduate Student - Computer Science Education   |  chasing the beast is easier
University of Northern Iowa                     |  than living with people..."
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bohy@att1.uni.edu                               |  - King Pellinore
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Amusing Birthday Card
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:37:36 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I got a great birthday card today from my wife.  On the front
is a picture of a vinyl record with the caption:

     IF YOU PLAY THIS RECORD BACKWARDS, YOU'LL HEAR A SECRET
     BIRTHDAY MESSAGE.

On the inside, the message reads:

     PAUL ISN'T DEAD- HE'S JUST OLD, AND SO ARE YOU.



-- 

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Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: The Beatles and American records
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:40:07 GMT

In article <C1H51p.CEo@acsu.buffalo.edu> v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (L'Angelo Misterioso) writes:
>	To bring this back to the Beatles, I doubt that 'La Bamba' would have
>really influenced them. It has been my understanding that a lot of American
>music was hard to come by in the UK except for Elvis, Buddy Holly, and Chuck 
>Berry. I believe that 'La Bamba' peaked around #22 on the top 40, 
>so if it wasn't a huge hit here, I don't imagine anyone across the Atlantic 
>would have had access to it. I would chalk up any similarities more to a 
>common musical technique rather than the direct influence of the song.

The Beatles actually had better access to American records than I had
to British records at the same time. Oh sure, I could buy "Does Your
Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour...." by the esteemed Lonnie Donegan, and
Little Laurie London's "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands", not
to mention Ron Goodwin's "Swingin' Sweethearts". But the Fabs were
able to procure a passel of gems from American playlists---Smokey
and the Miracles, The Marvelettes, Mary Welles; Carl Perkins; Buddy,
Chuck, Elvis, of course; Bo Diddley, the Coasters, Little Richard,
Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, Fats Domino, Arthur Alexander, James 
Ray...one could keep typing names for hours.

Why such a rich selection? Liverpool was oriented to the West,
logistically and philosophically; and there was a raging "underground"
market for American music, which was often supplied by merchant sailors
who shipped out of Liverpool toward New York and back again. In the
late fifties and early sixties it was possible to buy such records
in record shops (when one could persuade proprietors, like Brian
Epstein at North End Music Stores, to do special orders) or directly
from the "Cunard yanks", the mariners who supplemented their meager
income with import 45's. 

London was also a good spot to pick up American discs, though the
emphasis here was more on blues than rockabilly or pure pop. The
Stones, Kinks, and proto-Manfred Mann, among other groups then
in formation, were quite taken with these exotic sounds, and their
influences progressed in a slightly different pattern than the
Merseyside groups. 

"La Bamba" may not have been a particular influence on the Fabs,
though they would certainly have been familiar with Valens' name
since he was involved in the same tragic circumstances as Buddy. They
may even have heard a song or two by Richie; but most likely their
preponderant influences revolved around groups such as those listed
above.

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or if you think we can answer any additional questions which will help
you to build a first-rate story, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT US!"
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