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From: Rob_Simons@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Simons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:56:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Jim Mann writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <6800@transfer.stratus.com>
> Posted: 28 Sep 92 16:31:16 GMT
>
> In article <363@mindlink.bc.ca> Rob_Simons@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob
> Simons) writes:
> > Not trying to sound _too_ immature, but AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO
> THOUGHT THIS
> > MOVIE SUCKED DONKEYS!!!!!????  ...just curious
> >
>
> Instead of simply making silly remarks about it, why not tell
> us WHY you think the movie was so bad.

Well, as usual, I was in a bit of a silly mood :)

I thought my "review" might generate similar reactions - although I've received
more ayes than nays via e-mail.  I apologize for not backing up my opinion
earlier, but I originally posted on the spur-of-the-moment, being somewhat
incensed by someone's comment that this film was "Lawerence of Arabia with
trees"(!!), and did not have time to elaborate further.

But now, however...

"The Last of the Mohicans", like Mann's other works, highly favours style over
substance.  Although visually pleasing, except for the "under the waterfall
scene" and the laughable slow motion segments, there is little else worth
praising.

I was unaware of the film's setting before seeing it, and was pleasantly
surprised and interested when it was revealed.  Unfortunately, all the history
was nothing more than set-dec, vistas, and costumes for a hackneyed rehashing
of "Boy meets Girl, Boy can't have Girl, Boy gets Girl".  Even the rich
possibilities for character development and interaction between the natives and
colonials are spurned in favour of the mindless, predictable plot.  The film
had so little to do with natives, it could've been more aptly named "The Last
Babe in North America".

I don't fault the acting, but pity the actors who had to try and breathe
realism into stilted, melodramatic babble and push against the constraints of
two-dimensional characters (colonials good - British bad, Mohawks good - Hurons
Bad).

I could go on but time, once again, is a factor, and I think "Sucked Donkeys"
was more concise...

                                                                _ROB_


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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Fav Directors
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:20:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.133105.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>Unfortunatly Scott also committed a major editing faux pas in my book: he
>cut from a very dark scene to a dazzling bright one, don't you hate that?
>And he did it three times!
What's theoretically wrong with that? You might get blinded for a very short
time, but depending on the circumstances this effect might be perfectly
appropriate. The other way around you might see little or nothing for a short
time too, but this can also be appropriate, if it suits the story.
								M.H.
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From: Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:59:33 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Aero. & Mech. Eng.
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Oct 92 02:04:23 GMT
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In article <1992Oct6.210555.2871@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> Peter Alexander
Merel, pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au writes:

>Ah, conclusive proof that Richard A. Swift is a replicant :-)

That would explain my recurring unicorn dream....


Actually, my previous post to this thread (lets see if this one makes it
to the proper thread) was meant for another 
thread. My news-reader obviously cant cope with all these threads.

BTW, I KNOW Im human, Ive taken the test. Have you? 

And, oh..... Ill tell you about my mother...



My news-reader chokes on apostrophes as well, as if you couldnt tell.

Later, 

Rich
From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:50:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Robert Charo writes:

>Let's make a list of movies with "chapters" in them. That is, the film
>is broken into segments, each with its own title, but this does not
>include films of entirely different stories, like New York Stories.
>What I can think of is:                        
>                                   
>                                          
>2001                                  
>If....                                           
>Stranger Than Paradise                           
>Mystery Train

Two other Kubrick films come to mind:

_Barry Lyndon_ and _The Shining_


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
-- 
"If we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto,
 We'll just be bogus, too."-- Dr. Jeff Spicolli
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Microsoft's Cinemania MultiMedia CD-ROM is out
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:29:41 GMT

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>My only major complaint is that I have to put up with Maltin's ratings; 

I know what you mean. It still bugs me that he gave _From the Hip_ zero stars.
I skimmed through the book, and came up with a few dozen films that he thought
were better (Police Academy 3, for example)). I wrote him, but he never wrote
me back.

Michael


-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: A room with a view
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:36 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <BvMzr3.JnB@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, howard@kore.isor.vuw.ac.nz 
(Howard Silby) writes:

> It's not exactly a highly erotic ultra violent gore-fest.
> 
> There is one brief scene of violence so horrific it causes a young
> lady to faint. There is some rather untoward scenes where afore-
> mentioned madam is kissed. Later on some gentlemen bathe together
> and romp around in the English countryside bereft of clothing.
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow, it's only Monday, and I already have my quote of the week!  
Thanks Howard.  (And, yes, most people would call _A Room With A View_
artsy.  It is also a spectacular film, with amazing performances all
aroud.  See Daniel Day-Lewis before he pumped up and put on buckskin
for _The Last of the Mohicans_!)

Greg Bole                                "What kind of mother would I be if I
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu              didn't give my girls tits...tips?"
                                             Dustin Hoffman in _Tootsie_
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From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: Rutger Hauer Revisted
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:29:33 GMT

reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>Before Rutger Hauer did "Blade Runner", he was probably the Netherlands
>most respected film actor.  His films there include "Soldier of Orange"
>and "Turkish Delight" (which others have mentioned) and "Katjee Tipple".

I wonder if either of these were terribly dubbed and retitled "The Sensualist"?
I've seen a very young Rutger in a seventies film by this name. Not good.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt)
Subject: Song over credits in Single White Female?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:52:04 GMT

Could someone please remind me what the song was that played over the
credits in Single White Female?  and who the performer is?  For some
reason it's been nagging at my memory and I just can't remember it.

Kathleen

-- 
Kathleen Hunt //  U.W. Zoology //  jespah@u.washington.edu 
  Safety tip:  Never point a loaded storm-petrel at anyone.
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: My Own Private Idaho
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:15:45 GMT

Actually, I thought MOPI was pretty amusing, and certainly beautiful to  
watch. Not that narcolepsy is something to laugh at, but it did provide an  
interesting device for putting disparate elements together in one film  
which documents one heck of a way of living. The film didn't strike me as  
that far off the mark from _Drugstore Cowboy_, which I enjoyed in pretty  
much the same distanced way. Kind of a genre thing I guess...

And, BTW, look for the guy who played Hans in Zentropa, playing his part  
in german.

AK

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From: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Do Replicants Dream of Electric Unicorn?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:17:05 GMT
Reply-To: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

in the original story by P K Dick, the main premise if i remember correctly
was about the social problems dealt with by a crumbling society in the
future.  one aspect of the novel not discussed in the movie was the
fact that in order to be socially acceptable people of earth had to
own a live animal.  if you remember in the movie, they made the point
clear that most of the 'live' animals had been killed from the
pollution.  Deckard in the novel had an electric sheep - his sheep wasn't
real.  all during the novel the character is troubled by this and not
exactly being a member of society with respect to this.  so, the
title is basically do androids worry about the stupid social problems
that people have.

please anyone out there correct me if im wrong. its been a good ten
years since ive read the book.

- stephen
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
From: adem1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Adam Edward         Demeter        )
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:41:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

Room with a view...

Craig.

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From: kelley@vet.vet.purdue.edu (Stephen Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time, so bad it's bad
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:04:34 GMT
Organization: Carps Underground Contract Bridge League

In article <kjm.64.0@buc.edu.au> kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore) writes:
- How about "Night of the Comet"? I saw it last weekend in a 24 hr marathon,

You should have seen it under better conditions.  It's actually a 
damn good movie.

Why, I bet you and your friends never caught on at all to what
Mary Woronov's character did.

Steve
	"Hey think tank! Think on *this*!"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Andy Garcia
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:28:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.175700.20364@mdd.comm.mot.com> wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu) writes:
>In <ahom.92Oct051248@tnds.bellcore.com> ahom@yingjow.tnds.bellcore.com (Allen Hom) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1992Oct5.130808.22282@cs.wayne.edu>, faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
>>|> After seeing Andy Garcia in Internal Affairs, I've become a big fan of
>>|> his. Could someone please tell me what movies he's been in so next time
>>|> I go to the video store I know what to rent? E-mail would be most
>>|> appreciated.
>>|> Thanks.
>>|> 
>>I don't know *all* his films, but remember seeing him in
>>_The_Untouchables_ (w. Kevin Costner and Sean Connery),
>>_The_GodFather:Pt_III_, and he is in the current running
>>film _Hero_.  All 3 stars shine in this movie (IMHO)!
>
>Also Black Rain with Michael Douglas.

Dead Again
From: U27468@uicvm.uic.edu (Nancy Bulinski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:37:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92274.113757U27468
 <1992Sep28.222554.15964@idacom.hp.com>
 <1992Sep29.125551.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Sep29.125551.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>,
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep28.222554.15964@idacom.hp.com>, kenl@idacom.hp.com
>(Ken Loo) writes:
>> eloquently as they left the theatre:  "F-----G artsy film!  What a waste
>> of $8.00!"

>First of all, I'd never pay $8.00 to see a movie...and to balance the record,

  :-)

>_Naked Lunch_ was one of my favorite movies of the year.

I enjoyed it too, very much. And hadn't read the novel before seeing the movie.

>> Unless you're familar with the William Burrough's novel, I strongly suggest
>> you stay away from this film.

>Gotta disagree on this one.  I've never read a scrap of Burrough's, and I was
>mesmerized by this film.  I found it fascinating, and very enjoyable.

After you see the film read "Literary Outlaw: The Life and Times of
William S. Burroughs" by Ted Morgan, a very "readable" book about this
rather bizarre man (who is described on the back cover as being an anarchist,
heroin addict, alcoholic, nihilist, homosexual crusader, and brilliant writer")
Did I miss anything here :-)
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TV Serials - NEED HELP!
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:10:43 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <1a6vmrINN43j@ensta.ensta.fr> corwin@ensta.ensta.fr (Gilles Gravier) writes:


>	Hello Everybody!
Hi.

>	I have 2 questions concerning TV serials...

>	1 - I need information on an American Serial that takes place in
>Vietnam during the war. I know the Franch Title (L'Enfer du Devoir), and the
>Belgian title (Comando Vietnam). I know that the main musical theme is
>Paint in Black, by the Rolling Stones... The info I need is: The American
>name of this serial, and where I can find the soundtrack (I think there exists
>a CD with all the themes from this serial, but, I can't find it... as I don't
>know the title!).

I reckon this series is Tour of Duty.  It's the only US series about vietnam
except MASH I know, and does feature a Stones title track. No idea if you
can buy the soundtrack though.

>	Thanks!
No sweat.

>	Gilles.
Ian.

>-- 
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      "Let's go get that sucker!" _ I'm gonna get you, sucka!
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood (minor spoilers)
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:05:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

> 	Well, why not do it that way?  It sounds to me like the start of
> a positive trend:  Doing away with the silly aspects of vampirism.  I mean,
> just why SHOULDN'T vampires die when shot in the head?  And why NOT allow
> Marie to see herself in a mirror?  I think it would make a more interesting
> movie that way.

This is also the premise of the up-coming Julian Sands vampire film:
_The Tale of the Vampire_.  They wanted to do away with all the Hollywood
cliches.  No tux, no fangs, no changing into a bat.

Greg Bole                              "I haven't seen this many sideburns
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  since West Side Story."
                                       Nicholas Cage in _Honeymoon in Vegas_
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From: kenl@idacom.hp.com (Ken Loo)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Reply-To: kenl@idacom.UUCP (Ken Loo)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:25:54 GMT

In article <janes.21.716756093@dhhalden.no> janes@dhhalden.no (JAN EIVIND STILLINGEN) writes:
>Could anyone tell anything about Naked Lunch? I've heard it was shown at
>Berlin at the film-festival, but no info of the oncoming showings in the 
>rest of Europe.
>
>Thanx in advance,
>JES

A couple of disgruntled customers voiced my opinion of the film quite
eloquently as they left the theatre:  "F-----G artsy film!  What a waste
of $8.00!"

Unless you're familar with the William Burrough's novel, I strongly suggest
you stay away from this film.  Or as my buddy of mine who also saw stated:
"Geez, I can't believe I blew $8 to see a talking asshole (literally).  I
mean I get that for free everyday at work."

- Ken
  

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From: smith@panther.adelphi.edu (Jim Smith)
Subject: Film Source Quest
Summary: Where can I get these?
Organization: Adelphi University Swirbul Library
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:12:54 GMT


Dear Film Net Folk,

I'm looking for a source for these four films related to war/history:

"Rosemary."  German, 1958. Director: Rolf Thiele
"Room at the Top."  British, 1959.  Director: Jack Clayton
"Gods of the Plague."  German, 1969. Director: R.W. Fassbinder
"After the War."  By Fredric Raphael.

Any suggestions you could give me for locating them would be greatly 
appreciated!  Email to: smith1.franklin@panther.adelphi.edu

Thank You.
Jim.
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From: mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time, so bad it's bad
Date: 25 Sep 92 18:54:40 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <Bv2B5H.FBK@acsu.buffalo.edu> hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!) writes:
>
>	you've all seen bad movies.  bad movies which are so bad they're
>hilariously funny.  bad movies so bad that the dialogue from the audience
>makes it good.  however, I have just seen the absolute worst movie in my
>entire life.  so bad, not even the guys at MST3K would touch it with a ten
[other stuff deleted]

How about the 3D movie of "Stewardesses".  A young lass was describing how 
she was going to trip out on acid (meanwhile, she took her acid with a full 
glass of milk).  And, every female in the movie always went to a mirror to 
brush her hair.  People were yelling "more hair! more hair!"  It was a total 
riot.  The coup de grat was the comment at the very end "Man, this wasn't 
anything like the book...".  I don't know, maybe you had to be there.  My
buddy and I still have gut wrenching laughs about it.
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From: 0!thierry (Thierry Lach   )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: "Stranger In A Strange Land" To Be Filmed
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 23:03:09 EDT
Organization: Not An Organization

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

> In article <1992Sep30.073531.27410@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mi
> >You might think this pretty strange, but I always visualized the actor that
> >played Latka on Taxi as Smith when I was reading the book.  If you recall,
> >Latka had a very innocent character, but he had an alternate personality, Vi
> >Ferrari, who was quite the opposite.  Those characters wouldn't be quite rig
> >for Smith, but those two types of characters are what I imagine when I read
> >the book.
> 
> Andy Kaufmann.  Of HeartBeeps.
> >
> >Of course, he's dead now.
> 
> Then he probably wouldn't be very good.
> 
> GMS

He might work for some of the existential (sp.) parts...

============================================================================
Thierry Lach                                curlie!thierry@sycom.mi.org
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"Sufficiently superior technology is indistingushable from magic"
From: valeu@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (John Valeu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: cameo appearance
Date: 30 Sep 1992 10:49:16 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com


I think the one cameo appearance was the one that surprised me the
most....Joe Walsh in the Blues Brothers (the final scenes in the 
prison, he's the prisoner banging the cup on the table and is the
first to jump up and dance on the table during Jailhouse Rock).


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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.065008.7553@javelin.sim.es.com> SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON) writes:
>In <1992Sep26.180754.7586@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com writes:
>
>> In article <BD.92Sep26090551@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>> >
>> >gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>> >
>> >>How could someone be responsible for killing lots of other replicants
>> >>and keep it a secret?  Sounds reasonable to me that lots of replicants
>> >>have heard about him.
>> >
>> >Sure, like all the little replicants on the outer worlds get
>> >together and talk about the newest rumors from earth.
>> >
>> 
>> Why not?  Some of them are extremely intelligent, e. g. Roy.  
>> They apparently have set up some kind of semi-family unit or
>> at least live together.  It's certainly not inconceivable
[....]
>> She didn't seem naive at all.  Don't know what else there
>> is to say.
>> 
>> GMS 
>
>There is plenty to say.  Deckard is not a replicant. One of the more 
>interesting focuses of the movie is the question of what makes humans human.  
[....]
>
>It is not the replicants who learn something in this movie, it is those 
>who enslave them.  Deckard grows, and this is not something a replicant 
>can or, for philosophical/dramatic purposes, needs to do. Deckard can no longer
>kill replicants, not because they have become more human, but because he has.   
I can understand what you're saying, and although I don't agree with your
statement about Deckard not being a replicant, I don't see a problem with
the alternative (since the re-edit version supports this if the director's
cut does not).  

However, note that your response has nothing to do with my post or the
post it was a followup of.  I was speaking about the fact that the
replicants could know who Deckard was prior to meeting him.

Good post, in any event.

GMS
From: jd@slc3.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Comment on Die Hard 1 & 2.
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:14:36 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	I consider Die Hard as a classic movie. No wonder in generated a 
	sequel.
		But although Die Hard 2 is OK, I don't think it is in the
	same league as the original.
		The stunts in #2 are too outrageous while in #1 they are 
	just believable.
		Also #2's ending was more than a bit corny.
	
		And most importantly I hated some of the in-jokes about 
	'how the same thing could happen to the same guy twice!' and the 
	like.

	I heard #3's plot takes place on a cruise ship, I hope it is as 
	good as the original !
								jd.