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From: cote@cs.ucsd.edu (Brad Cote)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Stopwatch
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:51:55 GMT

Hello all,

	Last night at our Master's workout, a guy who owns a triathlete
store in town brought in a really neat stopwatch for swimming. It fits
on the outside of your goggles. You press the outside, and it stops
and starts. By careful positioning, you can see all digits *while you
are swimming*! It is placed in the peripheral vision area, and uses a
built in lens to make it legible. The designer is a swimmer who has
been trying to build this for nine years.  The guy who tried it out
last night had no problems seeing it at night, outdoors, with smoke
goggles. Cost is $30, and it is designed to last 2 years. This item
might become as indispensable as goggles are for fitness / competitive
swimming.

Just in time for Christmas!

								Brad Cote'
								University of California, San Diego
								STARE Project

Disclaimer: I have no connection with the manufacturer, nor am I in
the sports equipment business. I also haven't used it myself, but that
will change this week. Full personal report to follow.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: attila@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jaffar M Alaoui)
Subject: best times correlated with training age
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: dsg
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:55:04 GMT

   I started swimming seriously 5 years ago.  My time for the 100 yd free
 went from an embarrasing 1 min 26 s (unshaven !) to just recently 56.5 s. 
 My times improved however drammatically when I started swimming
 Masters a year ago.

   Personally, I think I have the stamina for a 52 but my limit currently
  is technique (proper s pattern, propeller effect etc..)
 
  My point is that starting to swim at 20 won't get you in the olympics but
  nothing stops you from achieving respectable times.


  Just my two cents...
-- 
Jaffar Alaoui
Stanford University
Stanford, Ca                                   attila@leland.stanford.edu
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: how fast? (Meters<>yards)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:15:23 GMT

sandilands@hg.uleth.ca writes:

>It has more to do with who your parents are
>(i.e., genetics--stature (hand size (ever see Biondi's hands?), arm length),
>flexibility, tolerance for lactic acid, oxygen transport) than when you started
>training.  

 While genetics plays a major role, the age that a swimmer starts real 
 training is a major factor in how good a swimmer will become and how quickly
 he or she will improve.  The biggest reason for this is that swimmers that
 start at an early age generally have better technique than someone who starts
 later in life.  If two twins, for example, started training at 10 and 15
 years respectively, I suggest that the first twin will always have an
 advantage over the second because he learned the finer techniques of swimming
 while his motor skills were still being developed.  To think of it another
 way, it is said that it is hard to master the correct accent of a foreign
 language after reaching about 12 years of age.  You can learn the language,
 even better than a native speaker, but you may not be able to master the
 accent.


>The fact that a lot of champion swimmers started swimming at an early age and
>not many started later leads to an illusory correlation between age of starting
>and achievement. 

 Swimmers that start earlier do have an advantage over swimmers that started
 later.  But of course, the later swimmer may yet be better since he may
 have other advantages over earlier starting swimmers.

>A recent article in SWIM
>(US-Masters magazine) told of a study that showed only a 3% decline between 25
>years and 50 years of age, IF THE SWIMMER KEEPS UP THE WORKOUTS.

 I'll believe it when I see it.
From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: hydrodynamic lift
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:52:08 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct9.225952.7778@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
> I have been reading Ernest Maglischo's book
> "Swimming Faster". It seems like an excellent book.
> However, I confess that I really don't understand
> the principles behind "hydronamic lift" that are
> "explained" in the book. 
> 
> Can someone clarify this for me? 
> 
> The idea behind hydronamic lift is that you 
> shouldn't push water directly backwards, you
> should use your hands/arms like propellers 
> instead, sweeping water around to create
> lift forces.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Larry Watanabe

Although I am not the swimming guru that Ernie is, I will try to relate to you
how it was explained to me in my swimming theory class.

You do not want to move your hand in a straight line because once your hand
starts moving, it pushes the water.  Once you start pushing water, you don't
get as much propulsion because the hand and water are both moving in the same
direction.  You want to pitch your hands and move them in an "s" pattern so
that they are always encountering still water.

As for the actual lift theory, when you pitch your hand, the water on one side
encounters resistance, causing the water on one side to move slower than the
water on the other side, giving you lift perpendicular to the thrust.

I have probably just confused you more, but think of it in terms of boats.  Why
do you think ships use propellers, and not the paddle wheels of old (which just
pushed the water straight back)?

                                        Hope this helps,
                                                        -Phil
p.s. If you execute properly, your hand should actually exit the water AHEAD of
where it entered!
-- 
================================================================================
Phil Luebke!                         Triple crown of pain:      400 I.M.
LUEBKE5317@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU                                      200 Fly
The University of Northern Iowa           JUST DO IT!           1650 Free
================================================================================
From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder)
Subject: Re: Why Stomach Muscles?
In-reply-to: Your message of 09 Oct 92 18:38:53 -0500.
             <1992Oct9.183853.2280@bvc.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:57:42 GMT

>Of what importance are abdominal muscles in swimming.  Every coach I have
>worked/swam for has stressed the importance of them, but why?  For balance,
>for flip turns, or fly?

Well, I swim (or I should saw SWAM) backstroke and abdominals were a big
part of my training not only in high school but here at college.  Their
response when I asked why was that it provided for stability.  Whether or
not you realize of feel it in swimming, there is "tension" in your abs.  Well
conditioned abs will help maintain proper form for longer races and
improve the quality of your training.  This was the translation I received.
As for flipturns, I was told flexibility and lower back muscles are used the
moset here.  Hope this helped!!

-Darrow
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Blues lose to Tampa 2-1
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:34:44 GMT

jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) wrote:
>The Blues looked awful. They were disorganized and unable to carry the
>puck into the offensive zone. They couldn't even get a scoring chance on 
>the power play. They were 0-3 for this game and 2-26 for the season.

What looked really bad was the power-play theme of "No, you shoot it!" as
the players passed again and again and again. Janney who was bashed in Boston
for not shooting, passed up a shot on a pass from one dot to the other during
the power-play by trying to pass again. This came after 5 or 6 passes already.
Tampa was running around, but St. Louis didn't take advantage.

Tom
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Imponderables/ULF!
Date: 15 Oct 1992 12:52:42 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1992Oct15.171209.19594@bmers145.bnr.ca> macauleybnr.ca (John MacAuley) writes:

[stuff about Ulf Samuelsson deleted]
>
>I hate this guy!!!  I really think the Brian O'Neil should
>have suspended him for life!!!  I have never seen any person
>more blatantly try to injury other players.  Oooooooh does
>he burn my but!
>
>
>John.

Actually Chris Chelios and Craig Muni don't seem to mind
injuring other players, be it breaking knees or elbows to
somebody's head.

Tony.
From: palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Randall Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The LAZER show in Toronto
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:26:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:

>If you missed the half-hour lazer show befor last night's Caps-Leafs game, 
>you missed a beaut.

>If the leafs go to all that trouble after failing to make the playoffs, 
>imagine what peagentry there would be if they won the Cup.

>Good thing the laser coordinator doesn't work for the Rangers, since we'd 
>never know what he might do following a Cup win.      =======
					 ========

	Do you really think we have to worry about this???
		1940-1940-1940-1940-1940-1940


GO DEVILS!

RAP
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From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Subject: Re: ESPN schedule
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:54:00 GMT

rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:

>It disgusts me to know I'll be fed a steady diet of Patrick 
>Division for the remainder of the year.

>I mean, yeah, it's good hockey, but show me the F$#@!$!!* Blackhawks!

An over-emphasis in ESPN games doesn't please me either.  However, if
I want to see good hockey I would watch Smythe dvision hockey, which
is under-represented on ESPN (for reasons I can guess at).  

=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- 

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]
From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Buffalo - Rob Ray?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:32:00 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep30.152442.8699@cs.wisc.edu> horvath@skinner.cs.wisc.edu (Jeff Horvath) writes:
>
>play left - I doubt he'll beat them out for a spot.  The Sabres just sent 
>Jason Dawe ("the heir apparent to Dave Andreychuk's spot") down to his junio
>team 

You mean Dawe's the new team scapegoat?  Poor guy.  :-)

-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
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Subject: When is it a goal?                 
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:00:29 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <ld61cqINN9p9@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, jake@rambler.Corp.Sun.COM () writes:
 
>>  The puck had come to rest on the outer edge of the line.
> 
> Does the puck have to entirely cross the line to count as a goal?

Yes, it does. 

							Alan
From: dwwalls@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David W. Walls)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL video game(s)
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:45:23 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN


Since all this talk of Sega games has been going on, what are the good
hockey games for DOS machines?  If desired, e-mail to me and I can summarize
a list...


Dave Walls
dwwalls@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
From: v113jc9g@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Swanni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Enough with Lindros; watch a real team play!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bw69sw.92s
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


      I can't believe all this talk about Lindros.  Sure, he's looked good
in four games but enough speculative talk. I guess since the flyer's and their
"beloved fans" have nothing else to talk about; (oh let me correct myself)
NO ONE else to talk about. Lets see how the Flyers play without Lindros,(I'd
hate to see something bad happen to him).  If only the Flyers had the depth
and the experience of the (lets say) RANGERS!!  There's a team with great 
offensive fire power.  Did you all forget about Messier, Turcotte, Amonte,
Gartner, and of course defensive superstar (in a class by himself MR. LEETCH)
I can also add Adam Graves, Doug Weight, and new comer Kovalav (sp?).
      Any of these guys can lead the team on any given night, and with the 
greatest (and highest paid) goaltenders in the N.H.L the Rangers are the talk
and top of the N.H.L.

P.S  and I don't want to here 1940. cause you fans that aren't Islander, Oiler
Flames or canadien fans, were too young to see (actually understand hockey)
a stanley cup victory!!

                               LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!
                               1992-1993 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS!!
From: corey@cayman.com (corey sohmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Where is Ty Domie?
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:04:13 GMT
Organization: cayman systems
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1b2

In article <1992Oct15.194217.21130@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Edward Reddy  MI,
ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>
>I met Ty this summer at the Bob Cole Golf Tournament here in St. John's.
 A
From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Schoenfeld checks in at ESPN
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:37:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvtCz8.F7D
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1895@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>
>What attracted ESPN to Schoenfeld - without ANY single game broadcast 
> .......   I have no idea. Apparently,Schoenfeld auditioned and impressed
>ESPN's hockey producers. Since getting fired from the Devils in 1989,his
>only TV experience consisted of doing mattress commercials in the Buffalo
>area(where he lives).                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ESPN should've gotten Jim Paccioli (sp?) instead.  :-) 


-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
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From: Sheldon_Schmidt@mindlink.bc.ca (Sheldon Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fourth Pick in Hockey Pool - Any Suggestions???
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:15:55 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Despite his youth and relative inexperience, I think you've got to go with
Eric Lindros (assuming he's still avialable).  Not only will Lindros score
alot of goals, he is a proven play-maker, as demonostrated in last year's
Canada Cup.  Philadelphia has a real shot this year and Lindros has a lot to
prove (after sitting out for a year).

This guy IS for real.
From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN schedule
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:09:15 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1992Oct16.143205.4640@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>  
cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts) writes:
> 
> Could someone please post the schedule for ESPN NHL coverage.


This is from an earlier post; it only covers through mid-December:

10/16 (tonight) Tamp @ Buff (alternate game: Ott @ Wash)
10/23 Montr @ NYR (SJ @ Buff)
10/27 LA @ NYI (Pitt @ Ott)
10/30 NYI @ NJ (Tor @ Det)
11/10 Edm @ StL (LA @ Winn)
11/13 Pitt @ Det (Wash @ NJ)
11/27 Hart @ Bost (NYI @ Phil)
12/11 Phil @ Det (Pitt @ NJ)
12/17 NYR @ StL (Winn @ Chi)
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From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Subject: Re: LIGHTNING NEWS: Chi vs. TB 10/7, Hamrlik Contract
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:30:32 GMT

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>THE TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING INFORMATION UPDATE              Tampa_____Bay
>                                                          /../     \
>CHI - 1 1 1 - 3                                          /../       \
>TB  - 5 2 0 - 7                                         /../       //\
>                                                       |../       //..|
>1 - TB  Kontos 1   (Zamuner, Creighton)  4:43 (pp)     |./__     //_..|
>    TB  Kontos 2   (Tucker, Zamuner)     5:41 (pp)     |.../      //..|
>    CHI Russell 1  (Belfour!!!)         13:19          |../_    //....|
>    TB  Semenov 1  (McRae, DiMaio)      13:50           \../  //...../
>    TB  Hodge 1    (Reekie, Zamuner)    14:09            \/ //....../
>    TB  Bergevin 1 (DiMaio)             17:21 (pp)       ///___LIGHTNING
>                                                        //
>2 - TB  Kontos 3   (Reekie)             11:33          /
>    CHI Noonan 1   (Grimson)            17:06
>    TB  Kontos 4   (Reekie, Crossman)   19:32 (pp?)

>3 - CHI Goulet 1   (Graham, Smith)      14:44

>Shots on goal: CHI  8-8-10--26
>               TB  12-5- 7--24
>Power-plays:   CHI 0 of 8
>               TB  4 of 11
>Goalies:       CHI Belfour, 0-1-0, 24 shots, 17 saves
>               TB  Young, 1-0-0, 26 shots, 23 saves
>Attendance:    10,425

	Congrats to Tampa, but it looks like Belfour was a bit of a
seive in this game.  I mean 7 goals on 24 shots just doesn't cut it.
Of course I never saw the game ...


-- 
--
Don Graves
581 Chase Court Acadia University,
Wolfville, N.S. Canada   BOP 1XO
From: KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu (Kevin Polcovich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Lindros 1st Program For Sale
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:30:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92282.113058KAP118
Organization: Penn State University

Yes, I attended that great first game and came back with a limited amount
of Lindros's 1st NHL game program sold at the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh.
Its packed full of pics (mostly Pens), stats, and more!
   If interested mail me. The price including shipping and handling is
$12. First Come First Served.
                        Thank you, Thank You.....Kevin
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From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: SENATORS NEWS:  Notes on tonight's opener
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:07:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.182501.27443@bcrka451.bnr.ca> simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson) writes:
>  o  Trivia note:  The Senators' 9 Stanley Cups is third most in league
>     history, with only Montreal and Toronto having more.  Perhaps the
>     aforementioned Cups should be added to the FAQ...

>- Scott "Stop Calling Me Bart" Simpson | "Hmmm... [chocolate | barbequeue |    -
One thing I should mention.  I believe only 4 of those Stanley cups were
won after the NHL was officially formed.  Those are usually the numbers
of cups won that most hockey books list.

Charlie Cook
From: terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Manon Rheaume on Tonight's Show?
Keywords: Manon Rheaume NHL Tampa Bay Lightnings
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:38:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: btree.1992Oct12.233857.18161
Distribution: na
Organization: Brooktree Corporation

In article <Oct.10.12.28.50.1992.14434@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!) writes:
>
>>-=>She s'posed to be on tonight (Friday Oct 9)
>
>>	She was....  ooh lala...  "ah-key ees mah passion!"  quite exellently
>>babelicious, I can see dave was really psyched
>
>I give her her own talk show, if she opens it saying "Hockey is my
>passion".  She is attractive, and clearly had Dave spellbound.
>
>If this is what the women I like in Canada, I am on my way!
>

Well, David, she is from Quebec, and now you know why the rest of Canada
is always trying so hard to keep Quebec in Canada!  :)
>
>
>
>-- 
>---------------------------------
>     David De Trolio
>---------------------------------
>(detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)


Terry
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Lindros NHL TV debut
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:26:31 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca
Keywords: TSN, opinions?

Well I've been waiting a long time to see Eric Lindros play a NHL game, 
against the Nordiques no less.  He was quite prominent in the game, but
somehow I wonder if he is as good as I've been told.  I realize he scored
two goal tonight, but couldn't someone like healthy Tim Kerr have put those
pucks in as well?  And I never remembered Kerr being called the second
coming.

As you can probably tell I am not a big fan of Lindros.  He is a good player,
perhaps when Philly surrounds him with more talent he'll be better.  But as
far as being compared to Gretzky or Lemieux, I just don't see that.  That's
my opinion, what's yours?
From: rgasser@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hockey Merchandise List, Please Read!
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:30:56 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


*** For all leagues.... please include Name, Email address, Team, League,
and what's available (or All) and if you want anything specific for your
collection.   Thanks, I'll keep posting an updated list.

Anyone have access to IHL ?  I don't have anyone other than myself.
Colonial and OHL leagues needed too.



Hockey Merchandise Contact List
-------------------------------

Updated as of October 8, 1992.

ECHL
====

Name            Email Address               Team              Wanted 
--------------  --------------------------  ----------------  -----------------

Rob Gasser      rgasser@uoft02.utoledo.edu  Toledo Storm      Pucks/Pins
Dan Miller      chill@cbnews.cb.att.com     Columbus Chill    All   
Tom Robbins     tomr@x400gate.bnr.ca        Raleigh IceCaps   All
Chris Alexander calexan1@eos.ncsu.edu       Raleigh IceCaps   Pucks/Pins
Joe Mikolic     V165NQXP@ubvms.bitnet       Johnstown Chiefs  Pucks*

*=Pucks needed: Columbus, Erie, Louisville, Knoxville, Wheeling, Roanoke
                Valley, Winston-Salem <if available>, Birmingham, Nashville,
                and Richmond.


AHL
===

Name            Email Address             Team                 Wanted
--------------  ------------------------  -------------------  ----------------

Carrie Ayers    carrie@wpi.wpi.edu        Springfield Indians  All
Mark Anania     ananim@rpi.edu            Capital Dist. Isles  Pucks/Pins


CHL
===

Name            Email Address             Team                 Wanted
--------------  ------------------------  -------------------  ----------------

Marc Foster     mfoster@metgem.GCN.UOKNOR.EDU 
                                          &CHL Teams           Whatever avail.

&CHL teams available: OKC Blazers, Ft Worth Fire, Dallas Freeze;
                      T-shirts available now, more to come though.



IHL
===

Name            Email Address               Team              Wanted
--------------  --------------------------  ----------------  -----------------

Rob Gasser 	rgasser@uoft02.utoledo.edu  Cinci Cyclones    All 	


********** PLEASE, to anyone not on this list, send me the above info!*******

Thanks! 

Rob Gasser

"rgasser@uoft02.utoledo.edu"

Go STorm!


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