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From: ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Nikolay Mehandjiev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Daily News from BG
Keywords: Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, daily reports
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:58:25 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <5995@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>Why? I did what Vassil said and it worked fine. I already received a big
>message for the 2nd of Sept. The only info there (concerning BG) is about
>Kozloduy - that it readies fo winter. 
>
>Regards


Well, may be I have subscribed in a slightly different way. 
My first message was returned, because   Vassil's address is where you 
submit articles and not for administrative purposes.

Here is the message I got :
<Nikolay>

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From: ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (N.D.Mehandjiev)
To: RFERL-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu
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SUBscribe rferl-l Nikolay Mehandjiev
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Daily News from BG
Keywords: Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, daily reports
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:11:42 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

vassil@cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev) writes:

>There is a LISTSERV node which sends the daily Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty
>news report to subscribers via e-mail. It is free, and it contains info on all
>of Eastern Europe. Although it is mainly about the x-USSR, there are always
>two or tree items about BG. Todays report had the following: 

>BG will resume payments on the foreign debt; The Gypsies gathered at a round 
>table; President Zhelev's criticism of the UDF and the government was rejected
>by F. Dimitrov and M. Nedelchev.

>All you have to do is e-mail a message to `RFERL-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu',
>containing the following line only:

>SUBscribe <First name> <Last name>

Oops, this should be:

SUBscribe rferl-l <First name> <Last name>

>This is the way I did it, and it works.

>Best Regards,

>Vassil

>---
>Vassil Peytchev
>vassil@cs.wisc.edu

Sorry for the inconvenience...

Vassil
From: jo25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jerry A Okoko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown
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From: Jerry A Okoko <jo25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ib@cs.man.ac.uk
Subject: re:Bulgarians in DC
Cc: 

luben,
hi!! my name is jerry and you've probably seen one or two of my postings
on the bboard. In response to your question of bulgarians in d.c., I
used to live in washington until one week ago when I moved to
Pennsylvania so if I can be of any assistance, please let me know. I
don't know much about the bulgarian community in d.c. (if there's one)
but I am familiar with the city itself--there is a consulate that may
fill any other information gaps.
                              later, jerry.
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Public remarks (was: Re: Initation to business forum in Charkov)
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:26:37 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Aug25.181407.26278@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il (Christo Houbaviy) writes:

[deleted]

>[The actual invitation deleted for brevity, thanks anyway]
>
>Shame on you for not knowing what an irregular plural is. :-)

So - couldn't you have used a private mail to point this. It's not a great
deal that some Bulgarians aren't fluent in English. I can't understand why
you bash the guy on USENET. What will you achieve making this remark in public?

>Christo

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Evil Bulgaria
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 23 Aug 1992 13:49:28 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi:

   I want to question the thesis that BW2 was mistake.  If we analys the

facts, it is clear that Bulgaria was betrayed by ally that was supposed to

protect her back in case Rumania strike.  There was military treaty between

Bulgaria and Russia that was supposed  to neutralize Rumania, but it was not

in the interest of Russia, United Bulgaria.  Russia wanted weak and dependent

Bulgaria and they got what they wanted.

   Otherwise the Bulgarian army at that time was larger and stronger then the

united armies of Serbia, Montenegro and Greece.  The ethnic Bulgarians

outnumber the entire population of Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Rumania

   The communist government in Bulgaria was too busy to blame king Ferdinand

for the disaster, but to see the real reason.

   Today however the facts are different.  Bulgaria is weak and exhausted

country.  The ethnic Bulgarians in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Turkey etc.

would rather accept foreign government but the THIEVES from Sofia.  It is

real tragedy but Greek pasport that gives you the right to work and live

in Germany, France and Sweden is really heavy argument.

Best regards

M.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: vassil@cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Subject: Daily News from BG
Keywords: Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, daily reports
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:05:35 GMT

There is a LISTSERV node which sends the daily Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty
news report to subscribers via e-mail. It is free, and it contains info on all
of Eastern Europe. Although it is mainly about the x-USSR, there are always
two or tree items about BG. Todays report had the following: 

BG will resume payments on the foreign debt; The Gypsies gathered at a round 
table; President Zhelev's criticism of the UDF and the government was rejected
by F. Dimitrov and M. Nedelchev.

All you have to do is e-mail a message to `RFERL-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu',
containing the following line only:

SUBscribe <First name> <Last name>

This is the way I did it, and it works.

Best Regards,

Vassil

---
Vassil Peytchev
vassil@cs.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Mejdusqyuznicheska voina
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 10:16:52 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi:

I am refugee and I left the country in a rush, so I was not able

to take books or notes with me.  What I can remember is a book

largely available in Bulgaria.  The title of the book is

"Mejdusqyuznicheskata voina 1913" from Dqrjavnoto Voenno Izdatelstvo

195? something.  Most of the books on the subject are quoting these

figures.

Regards

M.A.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1202 soc.culture.europe:7689
From: vassil@cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.europe
Subject: BG and WWII (was Re: Macedonian...)
Keywords: Bulgaria, WWII
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:12:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <5860@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:

|> Once again - not a good knowledge of what the real story was. Hitler wanted
|> to have access to the Aegean (and to Greece i.e. the same). And the only
|> way for the German soldiers was via Bulgaria (as there were no good roads
|> and railways in Vardar Macedonia). So - Bulgaria (de facto leaded by King
|> Boris III) had 2 choices - to accept an "offer" by Hitler - (Macedonia +
|> Thrace) in return for signing a pact with the Axis Powers or to refuse the
|> "offer" and stand against the German army. Nobody (amongst the rest of the
|> Big Powers) offered some protection or alternative to Bulgaria and adding
|> to the heavy economic dependency of Bulgaria from Germany there was one way
|> only ... Accepting the lesser of the two evils (in terms of loss of life
|> and destruction of the country), Boris III continued ruling Bulgaria (an
|> alternative would have been a puppet Nazi-controlled government) by playing a
|> very dangerous but successful game with Hitler. In this game (there is a
|> book about it, called the "Cat and mouse game" - in German) Boris III
|> refused to accept all major Nazi's demands and at the same time portrayed
|> the situation as being 100% loyal to the German cause, which he was
|> convinced (as he has said it once early during WWII) to be lost.  Despite
|> having formally it's own territories (won from the Ottomans during the
|> first Balkan war) back, it was the Germans and not the Bulgarians who ruled
|> conducted Vardar and Aegean Macedonia.

There was also the alternative of a `Pact with the USSR' (remember Vapcarov?),
but Boris III had seen what happened to the Baltic Republics after they accepted
Soviet bases on their soil. Molotov had sent an (un)official note stating that
Bulgaria should join the Axis Powers or allow Soviet bases in Bulgaria. 
(The USSR and Germany were still allies in 1940). This note was brought up 
during the `Peoples Trial' by the deffence of Filov, I think, but it didn't help
much.

Best regards,

Vassil
---
Vassil Peytchev
vassil@cs.wisc.edu
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Forgotten holidays (was Re: Strange holidays)
Date: 29 Aug 92 13:23:14 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <92241.214124ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>Hi:
>
>    The day of the Aprilian Uprising (April 20) was not honored on the
>
>group.  Obviously "Epopeya na Zabravenite" was good chosen title.

Sad and true (alas).

>   Ilinden (July 20) was also forgotten in old style and new style (August 3).

Also true :-(. It was celebrated in BG, however.

>    Avgust 13 (The day Berlinskya dogovor was issued) also went away without
>
>comments on the group.

Maybe the worst date in modern BG history :-(

>    Now we are heading September 6.  The day of the Unification (Sqedinenieto
>
>from 1886).

No - it was 1885. A month and a half later, the Bulgarian army crushed
the Serbian troops at Slivniza, and later it was mighty Austria who
prevented the victorious Bulgarians marching on the streets of Belgrade.

>  Official holiday in Bulgaria until 1947 marked with parade.
>
>The day of the Independence of Bulgaria September ? (1908).

Yes - on the 22nd of September (as far as I remember) 1908, in Turnovo,
Prince Ferdinand declared Bulgaria free of dependence on the sultan and
took the title "Tzar". 

>    Lets see what will happen this time.   The first surprise alredy came.
>
>The BNF decided to celebrate on September 6 not The Unification of Bulgaria,
>
>but The Day of Victims of Communism that used to be Sept. 9.  Also panahida
>
>will be served for Tzar Boris III -Tzar Unifier.  Did he died in September?

No - it was at the end of August (25th or 26th ??) 1943.


>Na Simeon II leka my prqst.

What do you mean? I heard that he gave an interview on Bulgarian
TV  3 days ago. 

Alas, you are right for "zabravenite". However, Levski's birthday was
remembered, as well as the 3rd of March.


Regards

Luben

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From: sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Public remarks (was: Re: Initation to business forum in Charkov)
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:59:35 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.002955.2485@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il (Christo Houbaviy) writes:
#I would like to appologize to Mr Sotirov from Lanix Ltd. for my remark
#regarding the grammar mistake in his posting. The above remark was made with
#good intentions and no offence was meant, which I tried to convey by putting a
#smiley at the end of the sentence. But even so I realize that I might have
#offended the author of that posting.
#Once again accept my appologies.
#
#Regards,
#
#Christo
#
#P.S. I tried to send my appologies by E-mail but it bounced. Sorry for waisting
#the bandwidth once again.

That's "apologize", "offense", and "wasting".

I gues sum peepl hav no sens uv umor.

Brian Sutin				sutin@helios.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1239 soc.culture.greek:8157 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8291
From: IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Bulgarian results (Rounds 1-4)
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:43:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Karel Stokkermans says:

----------------------

>Anyone wanting to compile the table :-?
>
>Round 1
>Lok Plovdiv               3-0 Haskovo
>Lok Sofia                 2-1 Dobrudzha
>Spartak Varna             3-1 Yantra Gabrovo
>Beroe Stara Zagora        1-1 Chernomorets Bourgas
>Pirin Blagoevgrad         0-1 Slavia Sofia
>Etar Tarnovo              0-3 Levski Sofia
>Sliven                    0-2 Botev Plovdiv
>CSKA Sofia                3-0 Lok Gorna Oryahovitsa
>
>Round 2
>Haskovo                   1-3 Botev
>Slavia                    0-2 Etar
>Chernomorets              1-0 Pirin
>Yantra                    1-1 Beroe
>Dobrudzha                 3-2 Spartak
>Lok GO                    2-2 Lok S
>Lok P                     1-2 CSKA
>Levski                    4-1 Sliven
>
>Round 3
>Lok S                     1-1 Lok P
>Spartak                   3-1 Lok GO
>Beroe                     0-1 Dobrudzha
>Pirin                     2-0 Yantra
>Etar                      1-0 Chernomorets
>Sliven                    0-1 Slavia
>Botev                     2-2 Levski
>CSKA                      3-0 Haskovo
>
>Round 4
>Haskovo                   2-3 Levski
>CSKA                      1-1 Lok S
>Chernomorets              2-0 Sliven
>Yantra                    0-0 Etar
>Dobrudzha                 1-1 Pirin
>Lok GO                    2-0 Beroe
>Lok P                     6-0 Spartak
>Slavia                    1-0 Botev

--------------

The table is:

    Team            W T L  Goals  Pts

 1. Levski          3 1 0  12- 5  7
 2. CSKA            3 1 0   9- 2  7
 3. Slavia          3 0 1   3- 2  6
 4. Loko Plovdiv    2 1 1  11- 3  5
 5. Botev Plovdiv   2 1 1   7- 4  5
 6. Chernomorets    2 1 1   4- 2  5
 7. Loko Sofia      1 3 0   6- 5  5
 8. Dobrudja        2 1 1   6- 5  5
 9. Etar            2 1 1   3- 3  5
10. Spartak Varna   2 0 2   8-11  4
11. Pirin           1 1 2   3- 3  3
12. Loko G.O.       1 1 2   5- 8  3
13. Beroe           0 2 2   2- 5  2
14. Yantra          0 2 2   2- 6  2
15. Sliven          0 0 4   1- 9  0
16. Haskovo         0 0 4   3-12  0
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1201 soc.culture.europe:7688
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Public remarks (was: Re: Initation to business forum in Charkov)
From: lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:29:55 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computng Centre

I would like to appologize to Mr Sotirov from Lanix Ltd. for my remark
regarding the grammar mistake in his posting. The above remark was made with
good intentions and no offence was meant, which I tried to convey by putting a
smiley at the end of the sentence. But even so I realize that I might have
offended the author of that posting.
Once again accept my appologies.

Regards,

Christo

P.S. I tried to send my appologies by E-mail but it bounced. Sorry for waisting
the bandwidth once again.
From: vassil@cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Evil Bulgaria
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:42:59 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <92236.134929ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
|> Hi:
|> 
|>    I want to question the thesis that BW2 was mistake.  

I think it was a mistake which followed a previous mistake, namely the way 
the treaty between BG, Greece, Serbia and Montenegro was handled. It was a 
mistake, since the outcome was much worse compared to what would have happened
if there was no BW2 (IMHO).

|>                                                            If we analys the
|> 
|> facts, it is clear that Bulgaria was betrayed by ally that was supposed to
|> 
|> protect her back in case Rumania strike. There was military treaty between
|> 
|> Bulgaria and Russia that was supposed  to neutralize Rumania, but it was not
|> 
|> in the interest of Russia, United Bulgaria.  Russia wanted weak and dependent
|> 
|> Bulgaria and they got what they wanted.

This is the first time I've heard about this. Could you please provide
more info?  

|> 
|>    Otherwise the Bulgarian army at that time was larger and stronger then the
|> 
|> united armies of Serbia, Montenegro and Greece.  The ethnic Bulgarians
|>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> outnumber the entire population of Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Rumania
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
Do you have numbers which prove this? If this is true, may be we can start
a campaign about a Bulgarian Genocide from the hands of all other Balkan
nations :^))) (Sorry for the black humor).

In any case, I still thing it was Ferdinand's mistake to start BW2. He should
have known better than to trust the Tzar, especially since they both wanted
Carigrad.

|> 
|>    The communist government in Bulgaria was too busy to blame king Ferdinand
|> 
|> for the disaster, but to see the real reason.
|> 
|>    Today however the facts are different.  Bulgaria is weak and exhausted
|> 
|> country.  The ethnic Bulgarians in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Turkey etc.
|> 
|> would rather accept foreign government but the THIEVES from Sofia.  It is
                                                  ^^^^^^^
Could you comment on that, please?                

|> real tragedy but Greek pasport that gives you the right to work and live
|> 
|> in Germany, France and Sweden is really heavy argument.
|> 
|> Best regards
|> 
|> M.A.

Regards,

Vassil
---
Vassil Peytchev
vassil@cs.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: airfares
Reply-To: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:17:15 GMT

Has anyone traveled from North America to Bulgaria recently? If so,
what are current airfares like? Any advice?
Thanks, Ernie Scatton
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1203 soc.culture.greek:7982 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8231
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Strange holidays
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 21:41:24 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi:

    The day of the Aprilian Uprising (April 20) was not honored on the

group.  Obviously "Epopeya na Zabravenite" was good chosen title.

   Ilinden (July 20) was also forgotten in old style and new style (August 3).

On August 3 I went to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in Manhattan to check if

something is happening.  For my surprise I saw bunch of former responsible

comrades staring communist "documentary" on the victorious rise of the

communism in Bulgaria.  If Vazov was in my shoes, he might say again " Bedni

Makedonski, zashto ne umrya pri Gredetin!" (from "Nemili Nedragi" for those

who graduated from Ruskoto uchilishte)

    Avgust 13 (The day Berlinskya dogovor was issued) also went away without

comments on the group.

    Now we are heading September 6.  The day of the Unification (Sqedinenieto

from 1886).  Official holiday in Bulgaria until 1947 marked with parade.

The day of the Independence of Bulgaria September ? (1908).

    Lets see what will happen this time.   The first surprise alredy came.

The BNF decided to celebrate on September 6 not The Unification of Bulgaria,

but The Day of Victims of Communism that used to be Sept. 9.  Also panahida

will be served for Tzar Boris III -Tzar Unifier.  Did he died in September?

Na Simeon II leka my prqst.  Are all Bulgarians orthodox?  What about the

jews, turks, pomacs, catholics, protestants?  Someone has said "pravoslavni

skotove" in his 28 poems to somebody.  I will try to remember his name while

the"pitomnicite na Seminariata ot Simeonovo" will clarify to me "zadgrobnya

jivot" acording to the latest line of Party, pardon Partyarhy.

   Some coments may bring some fun on the group.
From: jo25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jerry A Okoko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: spelling error/?
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:37:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.keadbka00WBOQ9=oV8
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excuse me guys for a moment while you debate the lingering qestion of
Macedonia-- But exactly does this one guy keep referring to Bulgaria as
Boulgaria? Any special reasons? Incidentaly, I am new to your network
and maybe there's something I missed in the past. RSVP jo25 for further
discussion.
            jerry.