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From: rharmon@triton.srg (Robert Harmon)
Subject: Milwaukee festival and Curragh races
Organization: Arinc Research Corporation, Annapolis MD
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:43:15


Anyone attending this rather large festival on Saturday?

Try to catch the Currach races and cheer on the Annapolis team,
with errant Boston members.

If there's any interest I can post the results.
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Cows and Sheep
Keywords: Or is that what you meant?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:41:49 GMT

In article <l8l6urINNp9v@news.bbn.com> dfoley@testament.bbn.com. (Dennis Foley ) writes:

>Which proves the point, of course, because the Normans spoke French
>and the Anglo-Saxons spoke a Germanic language.

The point, being, of course, that the Normans ate the things while the
Saxons raised them  9-)



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From: spxsjm@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr S J Morris 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: help learning Welsh
Keywords: Welsh Cymraeg
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:37:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <khomer.1.713557257@vtssi.vt.edu> khomer@vtssi.vt.edu (Kimberley Homer) writes:
|I am interested in learning Welsh.  Does anyone know where I could find
|some books on the subject?  How about the address for the BBC Wales?
|I also have not been able to find a Welsh/English dictionary in our
|university library.  I checked the online catalog at Aberystwyth, and the
|most recent one listed was published in 1911!  (I may not have done the
|search correctly...)
|
|Any suggestions would be most appreciated!
|Kimberley Homer
|Virginia Tech

There are definitely more recent Welsh dictionaries available - the
Comtemporary Welsh Dictionary (Y Geiriadur Cymraeg Cyfoes) came out just
a couple of years ago, but I can't say who published it (I haven't
bought my copy yet...). As for courses, I'm no authority on the subject
but I imagine that the BBC "Catchphrase" course is probably very good.
The address for BBC Wales is:

      BBC Wales,
      Broadcasting House,
      Llantrisant Road,
      Llandaff,
      Cardiff

(I forget the postcode but that will get a letter there... everyone in
Cardiff knows where it is!).

Hope this helps.
Steve Morris,
Department of Physics, UWC Cardiff.
From: gerard@galaxy.nsc.com (Gerry Dowling x3188)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Review of "Rebels" anyone?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:59:26 GMT
Organization: Disorganization

In article <1992Aug12.145408.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>I'm curious if anyone is familiar with a book called "Rebels" by I think,
>Peter De Rosa about the Irish uprising in 1916.  I'm curious what it's 
>reputation is. Fair? Accurate? Historically accurate?  It's wonderfully 
>written... Just wondered whether I'm reading history or a novel.
>
>rlwilliams@gallua

When I purchased this book I was able to talk to the author (he happened
to be signing books in the shop that day) He told me that the book was
fiction,strongly based on fact.Events, dates and personalities are 
historically accurate.Closer to fact than `faction'

BTW, I thought it was a great read.... Highly recommended
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Request for Limericks
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:25:18 GMT

The 2nd limerick is a "cleaned-up" version of the following:

There was once a young fellow named Fisk
At fucking exceedingly brisk.
  So rapid his action,
  Fitzgerald contraction
Shrank his dingdong darn down to a disk.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:56:51 GMT

>In <920814061647_70571.1262_DHB34-1@CompuServe.COM> 70571.1262@CompuServe.COM (Rick Grunwald) writes:

>>A friend of mine makes some very nice ceramic jewelry , many in the 
>>Celtic Knot motif. He is looking for a good source of scanable artwork
>>to broaden his design base.

Get a copy of Sylvia Wood's harp catalog. I'll post an address soon,
unless someone beats me to it. There are a few books on Celtic art-
work in there besides all the hard-to-find CDs and harp books...



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From: johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Books or Poems
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:26:52 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Aug14.171818.29971@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
> caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) wrote:
>> I am very interested in Scottish History particularly the Scottish Rebellions
>> of 1715 and 1745.   Can anybody recommend some "history" books or poems for
>> my reading enjoyment?  In English, please.
> 
> John Prebble: "Culloden" (Penguin).

Actually, Prebble has written at least five books on Scotland's history, 
and I disagree with Jack here -- I love all of them.  (Did I understand you 
correctly, Jack, that you did *NOT* care for Prebble?  It was kind of hard 
to tell from what you said.)

They are, (in historical order):

	_The Lion in the North_ (general history of Sctoland from what 
				 little is know about the Picts to 
				 Culloden)  
	_Glencoe_		(The massacre of the MacDonalds in 1692)
	_Culloden_		
	_The Highland Clearances_
	_Mutiny_		(The revolt of Highland regiments, 
				 1743-1804)

All are published by Penguin.

Two others you might want to check out:

Antonia Fraser, _Mary, Queen of Scots_ (Delacorte Press)
Charles MacKinnon of Dunakin, _The Scottish Highlanders_ (St. Martin's)

Happy reading! 
-- John
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish team at Olympics
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:33:19 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

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In article <9208190232.AA03630@skul.USask.CA>, 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:

|>Did athletes from Northern Ireland compete under the Irish flag at the
|>Barcelona Olympics?  I believe the boxer, Carruth(sp?), who won a gold medal
|>for IRL was from Belfast.  Thanks for any help.

Yes some did and some competed under the British flag.

Carruth was from Dublin but Wayne McCullough who won a silver medal is
from Belfast while Jackie McWilliams from Randalstown won a bronze for
Britain.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: Stivell often sings in Breton !
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:15:12 GMT

Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB (moisan@cicb.fr) wrote:
: Conrad Leviston said :
:  "Well worth a listen, even if he does sing in French (horrid
: language that."
: 
: 1) Stivell sings 80% of his songs in Breton .(celtic language)

	I was unaware of that, thank you for pointing it out.

: 2) why do you say that french is an horrid language ?
:    i didn't know that there is an hierarchy in languages....
: 

	I came by my opinion upon listening to a French Gregorian Chant,
which sounded (to my ears) utterly disgusting in its nasal texture. Of
course there is no hierarchy in languages, but many less enlightened souls
than yourself try to insist that there is, and that French is at the head
of it (not all of these people are French either). I just added in that
comment about French being a horrid language to annoy them.

: and maybe 3) perhaps it is Breton that you consider like an horrid 
:    language ?

	As I said earlier, I judged my opinion on sources other than
Stivell for my opinion.
 : 
: 
: P.S : excuse me for my bad english, my maternal language is french, this
: horrible language.

You're excused. It is clearer than mine, and English is my native tongue.

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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: help learning Welsh
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:47:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Aug13.204829.27301
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


I have info on Welsh courses at The Hill college, Abergavenny if 
anyone's interested. Reply here if so, and I'll type in the details.

Craig

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik)
Subject: Re: help learning Welsh
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:35:05 GMT

Since we seem to have wandered into a discussion of dictionaries:

johansc@hedda.uio.no (Johan Schimanski) writes:

>The only good dictionary in Welsh is the GEIRIADUR PRIFYSGOL CYMRU (the
>Welsh University Dictionary) - unfortunately, it weighs a ton, and only
>covers words from "a" to "obo" at the present time (new parts arrive
>regularly). One day they promise to publish a complete CD-ROM version, but
>I don't see it happening before the next century. Next time somebody starts
>editing a Welsh dictionary (Welsh-English/English-Welsh), they should take
>a look at a REAL dictionary - even the tiny Collins/Hachette
>French-English/English-French includes thousands of examples, different
>uses of each word explained, irregular verb-forms as heading words,
>irregular plurals as heading-words, the gender of the French nouns even in
>the English-French list...).
>        Personally, I have a heavily annotated version of the new 1991
>edition of the Collins-Spurrell Welsh Dictionary.

Those in the know may have heard about the Great Dictionary being produced
at UCNW Bangor.  It is primarily English-to-Welsh, but it will have a
Welsh-to-English cross-reference.  It is a truly complete dictionary, with
every possible expression or word-use in English painstakingly reproduced
and explained in Welsh.  It's huge.

Unfortunately, it's been in production for about eighteen years, which is
15 years longer than anybody though it would take.

The good news is that it looks to be coming out some time next year!  Save
up your pennies, dysgwyr, it is sure to be indispensable.  And expensive.
As I said, it's huge.  Bigger than the Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru.
(Forgive me if I've given anything away, Dafydd Glyn.  Just trying to drum
up advance publicity, ha ha.)

Welsh has needed an equivalent to the "10,000 verbes... conjugees" book that
French has.  I'm told there is now a small "Book of Welsh Verbs" coming out.
There are also several books of idioms (many in English-Welsh versions)
published, most by Cennard Davies.  ("Y Geiriau Bach", "Lluniau Llafar",
and "Idiomau Cymraeg" spring to mind.)  What's needed is something that
spans both literary and spoken Welsh, from the posh to the degraded, and
gives some indication of the proper registers for these words and expressions,
so you know who not to say "doswch!" to.

- David Librik
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:48:12 GMT

In <920814061647_70571.1262_DHB34-1@CompuServe.COM> 70571.1262@CompuServe.COM (Rick Grunwald) writes:

>A friend of mine makes some very nice ceramic jewelry , many in the 
>Celtic Knot motif. He is looking for a good source of scanable artwork
>to broaden his design base.

>Anyone know of some good sources for him? It would be appreciated.
>Thanks in advance.

The book I've been using recently has been:
	Early Medieval Designs from Britain
	(for artists and craftspeople)
	by Eva Wilson
	Dover Publications, Inc., New York, 1983
	 -- from the Dover Pictorial Archive Series
	 ISBN 0-486-25340-6

The book contains 407 simple illustrations, with a number of details
of repeating, interlocking designs (for those of you stumped with
the final drawing).  Also contains notes on the designs' origins, and
suggests further reading source materials.  The copyright page 
reads: "You may use the designs and illustrations for graphics and 
crafts applications, free and without special permission, provided
that you include no more than ten in the same publication or project."
It's been great for new ideas and extending designs.  $6.95 U.S.

Eilidh
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Boxers return in triump
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

Michael CArruth and Wayne McCullough returne dto a heros reception in
Dublin yesterday.  The scenes brought back memories of Stephen Roche
and the Irish football team.

Our first gold medal in 36 years was celebrated long into the night.

On Monday night Jackie McWilliams who won a bronze medal for Great Britain
slipped into Belfast airport and after a small reception wnet home.  She
must have cast envious glances 100 miles down the road.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: languages
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:39:14 GMT


In article <1992Aug10.233220.6285@npal.rn.com>, esharp@npal.rn.com writes...
>I would like to learn a celtic language, but listserv did not help me.  Is
>there a book I can use that is purchaseable in the midwestern U.S.?
>Thanks,
>Edwin

Any particular Celtic language?
Brythonic (P-Celtic) or Goidelic (Q-Celtic, or Gaelic)

What about listserv didn't help you? Did you try posting your request
on GAELIC-L ?

	Craig

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Welsh classes in Abergavenny
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:33:51 GMT


There are course for learners of Welsh at all levels at the Hill College,
Abergavenny.
Courses are the weekends of 16-18 Oct 92 and 29-31 Jan 93
Cost is approx #70 for the weekend, fully residential.

For more details, contact:

The Hill Residential College
Pen-y-Pound
Abergavenny
Gwent
NP7 7RP
Telephone: 0873- 855221
Fax: 0873- 854817 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: Scots or Picts (was Celtic alchoholism?)
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:45:06 GMT

Just a semi-relevant observation, but did you know that the Picts used to
make a beer out of heather. Apparently the word 'grog' is derived from the
Pictish for heather.
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Conrad Leviston	 | Got to find a brightness in the soul,
mongoose@yoyo.	 | Not look outside to find out where we are,
cc.monash.edu.au | Otherwise you won't be satisfied, 
Save the gherkin | 'Til you've made posession of the stars. (K.Wallinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz)
Subject: Books or Poems
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:56:51 GMT


I am very interested in Scottish History particularly the Scottish Rebellions
of 1715 and 1745.   Can anybody recommend some "history" books or poems for my
reading enjoyment?  In English, please.

Thank you!

Carol
caj@sei.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Olympics: Was there an Irish team pre-1922
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:07:10 GMT

--
In article <BsEJt4.4zK@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

|>In a discussion in soc.culture.british on why is there only one 
|>Olympic team from UK, while there are 4 international football 
|>teams,  the question of how long has Ireland had a separate 
|>Olympic Association was raised.

Ireland didn't enter the Olympics until the 1920s.  We were in Amsterdam in
1928.  I don't think we had a team in Paris in 1924 but I'm not sure.

Many Irish people competed for U.S.A. and Britain prior to this.  Indeed
the hammer was dominated by the Irish for about 30 years.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:18:15 GMT
Organization: Not a member of St. Andrews University


I have no real facts for the following, just vague memories:

wasn't the 'great plaid' just a large(say 15 foot?) length of nicely
felted, sorry - waulked, locally spun and woven woolen cloth? Must
have been fairly greasy, and not as wide as the modern loomed stuff..
Also to be authentic it would NOT be tarten as we know it, but a variageted
heathery toned stuff which had been dyed with crotal(?? is that not a lichen
and urine dye) and various other ghastley vegetable compounds, a bit greasy
despite the fulling in urine(again) and washed by peat water. I seem to
remember reading that many pre-1700 scots wore trews too. Thats the
highlanders NOT the lowlanders who were a much more up to date lot who
wore mostly whatever the southerners and french wore. So any how you took
your long length of cloth and having got out of bed, which was that same
length of cloth wrapped round you like a blanket you wrapped it around
yer nether regions(like a sari I suspect) and then threw any remaining
length over a usefull shoulder, fastening the load with one of those
big celtic pin and buckle thingies. A bit like a toga that slipped. Very
good for slipping in and out of depending on the weather - see the tibetan
method for keeping hot/cool in their big furrlined pinny. The good news 
was <a> the smell - good for hunting, <b> the grease - keeps out the drizzel,
<c> utility - can be kilted or wrapped or over head(see the japanese couture
method) and stuffed with a spurtle, oat bucket, dirk, dead rabbit etc <d> good
when wet coz woolen plaid stays warm though heavy, <e> gave instant info
re where you came from - oh that's a very interesting weave, colour, is it
from the west coast then?. The draw backs were the smell, weight, greasyness,
and the fact that you were obviously NOT a civilized lowlander.
 
Actually I am not sure why anyone would want one nowadays - but I am sure
that a length of similar material can be got from the seconds shop of the
last remaining woolen mill in Galasheils. And at aproximately 10 pounds a 
metre it would not be as expensive as buying the material through a dress shop.
From: crescent (Ld. Jatssab of the Cr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: a study group annoncement
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 19:35:33 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US
Cc: crescent
Comments: Scottish Celtic Wicca

I just wanted to ask you to post an announcement of a Celtic Study group 
on Friday August the twenty-eighth at 7:00 pm. The topics covered will be 
The Celts as a whole, The Celtic Traditions, and the Celtic Mythos. It 
will be at the Unitarian Church on Wirt Rd. The refreshments will be 
potlock. For more info or directions contact James Henry at 
4(eight)9-7525 not after 11pm please. Thank you

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crescent@brewich.hou.tx.us (Ld. Jatssab of the Cr)  or  crescent%brewich@lobster
The Brewer's Witch BBS -- +1 713 272 7350

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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.org.sca
Subject: Under the Kilt (WAS Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor)
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:02:16 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Aug14.183226.63054@uvmark.uucp> roger@uvmark.uucp (Roger MacNicol) writes:
>In article <BsxrKJ.Awz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>
>>Reminds me of the scottish stand-up comic who was a guest on 
>>Letterman some years back. Can't remember the name...
>>
>>Letterman just HAD to ask him the requisite question about 
>>whether anything was worn under the kilt...
>>
>
>I was told that there was a pub on the Great North Road a few years back that 
>had a model of a Scot wearing a kilt in the Ladies, togther with a notice
>urging the ladies to satisfy their curiosity as to what was worn under a kilt
>- the material was attached to a bell in the bar!

There is now an AIDS-awareness poster here advertising Condoms, which
features a hunky young chap with a wry grin, with the words:

"What every Real Scot wears under the kilt".


( or something like that)

M

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	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.