HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Easterbrook Opinions (was: Question about "T." in James . . .)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:35:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.203503.24449
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95

>For you folks who are wondering just what the heck we're talking about, the 
>reference is to an obscenity case, US v. Guglielmi, 819 F.2d 451 (4th Cir., 
>1986).  This is also the citation currently in Mark Eckenwiler's signature. 

Ah, that explains it.  I wrote down 81*5* rather than 81*9*, and was wondering
what the heck Mark Eckenwiler found so interesting in that case!

--Tim Smith
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Famous Americans on Christianity
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:38:13 GMT

mscott@charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mark Scott) writes:
: -- 
: Here's a few that I can think of off the top of my head. These are all people
: who have openly professed a deep commitment to Christ. (please excuse the
: spelling errors)
: 
: Sam Walton - Walmart Founder (before dying he was the richest man in America)
: Harry Lloyd - Owner of House of Lloyd
: George & Barbara Bush

What did he do, besides allow the deficit to double, in the time he was in
office? I would call him infamous - rather than famous.

: Ronald Reagan

Ditto.

: Dan & Marilyn Quayle

Who?

What does this have to do with anything, anyway? Do you really think the
poster wanted a serious answer?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Re: dishwasher trick
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:24:30 GMT

In article <zlsiida.432@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>
>  From the UK phone book Yellow Pages:  BORING - see Civil Engineers   
>
Sadly, this is no longer true. It now has:

Civil engineers:
	see under site investigators
			structural engineering

>  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
>  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040

Tony "you got it arse about face too" Sweeney.
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From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:44:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <LDJ0TB1w165w@page6.pinetree.org>, fred@page6.pinetree.org (Fred Ennis) writes:
> And, Touch-Tone <tm> service. Many local phone companies charge extra for 
> the service, yet it is cheaper for them to handle than the old rotary 
> pulse dials! (a Touch-Tone <tm> call goes thorough faster and ties up 
> less common equipment, allowing for more calls on the existing equipment)

An interesting case indeed.  It started out that way as a combination of
sound economics coupled with regulatory weirdness.  Let me start with the
sound economics....

At the time touch tone (no longer a trademark, btw) was introduced,
virtually all telephone equipment in the U.S. was leased from the
local phone company.  Massive demand for touch tone phones would have
left the phone companies (and in particular, AT&T, then the owner of
the late, lamented, Bell System) with a massive inventory of perfectly
serviceable phones that no one wanted.  Remember that those things were
built to last -- if the phones were built like tanks, they could be
depreciated over a very long period, which had the effect of keeping
rates low.  Imposing a premium charge for the service acted as a demand
limiter, and also paid for writing off whatever amount of inventory
was no longer saleable.

The regulatory situation was somewhat odder (of course).  The philosophy
of the time called for universal basic service (which, of course, meant
cheap service), with other services subsidizing basic service to the
extent necessary.  Touch tone was seen as a frill; thus, users were
to pay extra.  Pricing was thus based partly on value received, rather
than strictly on cost or demand.

I do recall reading of one small phone company that wanted to drop
support for pulse dialers.  They made a deal with the state regulatory
commission -- they'd provide free touch tone phones (or possibly just
the difference in cost) for their subscribers, in exchange for a promise
that they'd never have support pulse dialers.
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL Alert:  Blue blood!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:44:51 GMT

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
: thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping) writes:
: 
:   +One of the shelvers at the library where I work was telling me
:   +today that blood is blue while its inside your body, and doesn't
:   +turn red until it is exposed to air.
:   +
:   +I think she was a little bit offended when I started to laugh
:   +uncontrollably.  Oh well, she's a good kid; she'll get over it.
: 
: Offended?  I expect she might be since she's quite correct.  I quote:
: 
:   "Each [red blood] cell is packed with large quantities of
:    _hemoglobin_, a protein that contains iron.  Hemoglobin...
:    is highly efficient at 'binding' (combining chemically)
:    with oxygen when the oxygen concentration is high (in the
:    lungs), and releasing the oxygen again when the oxygen 
:    concentration is low (in the tissues).  Oxyhemoglobin,
:    formed when oxygen combines with hemoglobin, is responsible
:    for the _bright red coloration_ [emphasis added] of oxygenated
:    blood; the unbound (oxygen-free) hemoglobin in venous blood
:    accounts for its darker color."
: 
:                -- _The AMA Encyclopedia of Medicine_
: 
Well, she is half-right. In actuality, even arterial blood is
not bright red. It is a reddish brown. 

A quiz for the bored. There are veins in the body that do carry
oxygenated blood. For two Shergold "blue blood" points - name
them.

Bill
From: clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Sex on the Train
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:31:04 GMT
Organization: IXI Limited, Cambridge, UK

A while ago, there was a thread here about the UL of "couple has sex on
train, no-one complains until they start smoking".

Mark Brader sent me an article from this group, which I have extracted
the following from:

| Well, in my newspapers to be recycled pile I found The Scotsman of Friday 7th
| August 92 which contained the following report.
|             Have-it-awayday couple puffed out after sex show.
| Travellers packing a hot and humid British Rail train turned a blind
| eye as a couple on a works day-trip to Margate treated them to a full sex
| show, a court heard yesterday.
[...]
| Well, the Victoria Wood joke makes me suspicious of this, as does the fact
| that it happened on a Sainsbury's warehouse works outing. (Does anyone know
| if Sainsbury's Warshouses---or anywhere else for that matter---still has
| works outings?) There is a notorious British hoaxer called Paul Ryan (or
| something like that) who specialises in planting stories in the press. I
| suppose the only way to resolve the issue is to dig up the Horseferry Road
| Magistrate's Court's records for the day in question.

I went to Horseferry Road Magistrates' Court yesterday. The clerk I talked
to was not willing to give out names "over the counter", but he did say
that "it's the sort of case we all remember", and that they were
definitely convicted of this on or around that date (he wasn't sure off
the top of his head).

In addition, kate@imperial.ac.uk (Kate Knill) posted the following to
uk.misc, and gave me permission to repost it here:

|> Oh?   And just how voracious were they?
| Well, pretty voracious or so my sister told me and she should know because
| she was one of the travellers on THE TRAIN, and was amongst those who
| gave statements to BR police.
| Basically the couple had been having fellatio (did she swallow, who knows)
| in a first class compartment. The guard tried as hard as he could to avoid
| the happenings. The Sainsbury's staff (for it was they) then moved to a
| second class non-smoking carriage whereupon they proceeded to have full
| sexual intercourse. The carriage was packed with several young children.
| Several people in the carriage DID make comments and summoned the guard
| who was by now getting used to trouble staring him firmly in the back
| of the head. It wasn't until they lit up however that one woman, an
| asthma sufferer, was finally forced to demand action from the guard.
|
| So it all goes to show that you never can be too sure what's been going
| on behind the grocery counter at Sainsbury's .. and never expect a BR
| guard to sort out a problem if he can help it!!

I think this settles it (ducks :-).

-- 
Clive D.W. Feather     | IXI Limited         | If you lie to the compiler,
clive@x.co.uk          | Vision Park         | it will get its revenge.
Phone: +44 223 236 555 | Cambridge   CB4 4RZ |   - Henry Spencer
Fax:   +44 223 236 550 | United Kingdom      |
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Media rantings
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:17:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.141156.28013@Arco.COM> bielak@arco.com writes:
>
>
>Last night a local (Dallas) newscaster reported a story about the trial
>of a prostitute convicted of murdering a few of her clients. The
>reporter said, completely seriously, that the woman claims to have
>been with 250,000 men in the course of her 20 year career.
>
>Hmmm.... that works out to some 7300 days (neglecting leaps and holidays)
>or some 34.25 men per day. Assuming 5 hours sleep per night, that's 1.8
>men per hour, 19 hours per day, 365 days per year, for 20 years.

But weren't most of them Wilt Chamberlain?

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: C521832@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: lemurs!
Organization: University of Missouri at Columbia, U.S.A.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:33:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Lemurs! I used to be a volunteer at the zoo in Memphis. They had an
island there (well, a small hillock surrounded by water) on which
a number of monkeys were kept--hence, Monkey Island.
 
The monkeys had a tendency to escape, however; at one point numerous
ones did so and fled the zoo. Most were caught climbing up the side
of a tall apartment complex across the street.
 
After this, the zoo replaced the monkeys with Lemurs, who were
much less inclined to escape.
 
As a volunteer, I and my co-workers spent many lunch breaks watching
the lemurs running about the little island in their trademark
loping gait.
 
We coined a simple verb to describe their action : "leeming", or
"to leem," which is to run about like a lemur.
 
FYI.
 
Rev "they leem better when you give them alka-seltzer" John
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: tel@adimail.uucp (Terry Monks)
Subject: Re: Yeah, and I think Gladstone....
Organization: Automata Design, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:17:06 GMT

John Garrett #150 @9704 (150-9704@wwiv.cojones.com) wrote:
: RE: Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?
: BY: davew#willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) #1235 @514
: 
: was Jewish....

I don't believe so, although Bejamin Disraeli was Jewish by
birth, but a practising Christian.

Terry "or was it Churchill?" Monks
-- 
Terry Monks        Automata Design Inc    (703) 742-9400
From: manley@optilink.COM (Terry Manley)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Bush's Mom Dies...
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:43:28 GMT
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <By4wIt.756@unx.sas.com> sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov22.175309.25575@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>I don't know about you, but I think it was awfully poor taste of them to put
>>Barbara Bush on the one-dollar bill before she died.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Louis Rukeyser.

Speaking of Louis Rukeyeser - has anyone else ever wondered why WSW
needs a hostess?  What does this woman do?  Does he really need a
woman to smile and guide the guests to the chairs?  Is she supposed to
be his secretary or something?  Does she ever say anything?  Does
she make coffee?  Have they ever asked her about investment strategies?
Does it annoy anyone else watching Rukeyeser's eyes dart back and forth
as he reads from the teleprompter?

Dave (not really a Terry) "Hi I'm Louis Rukeyeser and this is my token woman" Manley

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson)
Subject: Re: dishwasher trick
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:23:26 GMT

In article <MNF=TW=@engin.umich.edu> ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) writes:
>
>The more dishes you have in there, the more stuff there is to contaminate
>the wash water.  In case you were wondering, there is a grinder (kind of
>like a baby garbage disposer) that takes care of any floating chunks in
>the wash water on its way out of the dishwasher.

Emphasis on "baby". Don't try to use this as a "grown-up" disposal. I
did many years ago with a leftover tuna casserole. It couldn't handle
it and clogged the machine. A few days later it started to rot. They 
don't pay dishwasher repair men enough.


--
Bruce Watson  wats@nyx.cs.du.edu  Toy Cows, Toy Cows in Africa, Toy Cows
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith)
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge
Organization: Agincourt Computing
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:06:43 GMT

In article <TRIF.92Nov14073247@bike.rad.washington.edu> trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear) writes:

> ...  Resonance is real, but only a very poor bridge would fall apart
>from being resonated by soldiers marching across it.

The way I heard it, the bridges that collapsed were early to mid 19th
century cast-iron bridges.  Engineers knew all about static strength
calculation, but they weren't up on metal fatigue.  Most of these
bridges fell down for one reason or the other.

Source: "To Engineer is Human.  The Role of Failure in Successful
Design", by Henry Petroski (ISBN 0-679-73416-3)  Unfortunately, the
author quotes no real sources.  The book does have a good description of
the Hyatt distaster, though.

-- 
Steve Smith                     Agincourt Computing
sgs@grebyn.com                  (301) 681 7395
"Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense."
From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Miss Manners returns. (was 1950's Darryle).
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <37620@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A.
Johns) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.142221@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A
Ashlock) writes:
> 
> #    Another correspondant felt I was being unfair to Darryle becuase
> # he was "only expressing an opinion".  Certianly everyone has
> # opinions and are entitled to them.  If those opinions are
> # expressed, one is simillarly entitled to have them nuked.
> 
> Then nuke *the opinions*.

   I _did_.  You must be a sound sleeper.  I gave factual refutations
of each piece of idiocy.
 
> When you insult the bearer of the opinions, you destroy your own
> credibility.

   Really?  Can you document this?  My e-mail seems to think _well_
of my credibility on this issue.  I thought my credibility followed
from being associated with an AIDS modeling group and on the way
I agreed, on factual points, with Matt Weiner's posts that hit the 
net at the same time as mine (hence making collusion unlikely).
I really would like to see a quantatative study of this urban legend
that being polite to fools is useful.

   Jim Merritt, one of the most white hot flamers I've ever seen, is
well respected on talk.origins and has enormous credibility.  This is
because his _facts_ are verifiable and his _logic_ makes sense.  People
either ignore or enjoy his sallies into the insulting.

   David, old bean, what evidence I have tends to contradict your view.  I
suspect credibility and tendency to flame are independent variables.  In any
case your belief flies right in the face of the priciple ofcredible threats and
the theory connected with prisoners dellimma.
 
> David

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:29410 sci.med:21415
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
Subject: Re: Smoke cigarettes -- leave early!
Keywords: Park all day here, they never check
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:24:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: omen.1992Nov23.192412.3447
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest

In article <1992Nov23.042248.14259@unlv.edu> robert@unlv.edu (Robert Cray) writes:
>In article <lh07esINN493@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>>But my question is, overlooking the flaws in the model, 
>>what is the value of 'N'?    I.e. can we say that 365 ciggies a day
>>takes 1 year off your life, so each cig is worth a day.  
>
>Smoking puts you at risk for cancer, heart disease and strokes.  Whether
>you will get one of these, and if so when depends on the individual, so
>what N is won't make much sense unless you happen to be the "average"
>person.  If you also have high blood pressure or high cholesterol, then
>smoking is worse for you.  Cancer probably has some genetic component,
>so that will come into play too.  Why take the chance?
>
>What I can't figure out is the large number of kids, especially teenage
>girls that smoke these days.  The other day I saw two girls, about 13 and
>16 years old eating dinner at Wendy's with their father.  After a while,
>the girls got up, moved to the smoking section, and started smoking.  Dad
>stayed put.  Some time later one of the girls came and said to her father
>"if you think we're young to be smoking, look at him" and pointed to a boy,
>about 12 smoking, so at least he objected, even if he didn't do anything
>about it.  Several weeks prior to that I saw the cheerleading squad from the
>best high school in town, almost all smoking.  This in a rather trendy
>neighborhood too.

It is known on the street that smoking lowers one's weight set point.
Most teenagers are immortal but few are skinny.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again))
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:27:56 GMT

In article <Bxvrp7.41t@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, shecters@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Robb Shecter) writes:
>
>   (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>None of the major car-rental companies will take cash -- they want a credit
>>card so that they can run it to the limit if there's a problem with the car,
>>instead of dealing with the insurance company like professionals would.  The
>>solution is to use a card without much spare credit on it.
>
>   Not quite correct.  One needs a credit card to secure the use of the car,
>but to actually PAY for the rental, cash is fine (I have done this.)


	Still not exactly right.  Some friends and I when going to spring break
in Ft. Lauderdale, reserved a Mustang convertable for the week from Budget,
using only our names.  When we went ot get it, they were upset to find we
didn't have a credit card between us (ah, the debt free undergrad days), but
after talking to the manager, they let us take the car with a $200 deposit, all
in cash.  They DID get their car back at the end of the week, so it's not like
they lost anything.


Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
================================================================================
I read the newspaper today and was amazed that, in 24 hours, five billion
people could accomplish so little.
================================================================================
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Calvin/Hobbes diagnosed as clinical schizophrenic
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:57:04 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <BD.92Nov16072534@fluent.UUCP> bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:

>Trelford - how do you wrap the lard and sugar around the gator's midriff?

I thought she does it herself.
-- 
/|/-\/-\       In real life, the Vice President chastises Murphey Brown
 |__/__/_/     for her morals.  Bill Clinton plays the sax on "Arsenio
 |warren@      Hall."  Though "Batman Returns" is fiction, it's not too
/ nysernet.org much stranger than truth - Caryn James, The New York Times
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From: dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Will pay money for food.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:58 EST  

In article <BxwyD7.2v4@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, 
  csa09@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Paul Singleton) writes...

>Didn't Nixon beat Humphrey despite getting fewer votes?

No.

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|"Asserting a statement an infinity of times does not in itself make it true."|
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From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Dragon (was Re: Calvin and Hobbes)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:27:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <41426@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins) writes:
> In article <1992Nov21.153618.20577@yang.earlham.edu>, jeffj@yang.earlham.edu (ChaOs) writes:
> >
> >Oh, yes, and little Jackie Paper doesn't die - he grows up.
> 
> Oh, sure, and then what happens? Fifty, sixty years down the road,
> he's dead, right?
> 
> But, of course, according to the _second_ cartoon version, some
> other kid shows up . . . 

Indeed.  The following extra verses were posted to misc.kids a while
back:

> Twenty years later, Puff arose once more
> He awoke to hear the sound of knocking at his door
> His door it opened wide to show a smiling, shining face
> As little Jackie Junior came to take his father's place

or

> Here are the extra words for "Puff the Magic Dragon" as sung on the CD
> "A Family Folk Festival.  A Multicultural sing-along."  I really like
> this CD.  It has a lot of old classic children's songs (Skip to my
> Lou, My Grandfather's Clock, Puff, etc) and some good new ones, sung
> by such artists as Pete Seeger, Maria Muldaur, Sweet Honey in the Rock
> and others.
>
> These two verses follow the traditional ending after a musical
> interlude:
>
> Jackie he got married, and they had a little babe.
> Jackie's daughter Sophie went adventuring one day.
> Happily she wandered down the misty beach alone.
> And passing by a hidden cave, she heard a muffled groan.
>
> Bravely Sophie slipped into the place where Puff did dwell.
> The startled dragon spun around and frightened her as well.
> Then she saw his lonely eyes, and quickly lost her fears.
> She kissed the dragon's scaly nose and wiped away his tears.
>
> Chorus:
> Puff the magic dragon lives by the sea
> and frolicks in the autumn mist in a land called Hona Lee.
> Puff the magic dragon lives by the sea
> and frolicks in the autumn mist in a land called Hona Lee.
>
> Note the use of the present tense in the final chorus.