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From: cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO)
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Originator: cs922096@a01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:30:24 GMT


In article <XoF7RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, miller@bluemoon.rn.com (John Miller) writes:
>> jmw1@ra.msstate.edu (John Westerburg) writes:
>> 
>> >    If some kind soul out there could post or mail me the Korean 
>> > words (with pronunciation) for the numbers one through ten, I would
>> > be greatly appreciative.  Not to mention it being good karma.....
>> > 
>> 
>> 1 = IL (ill)
>> 2 = YI (ee as in week, no Y sound)
>> 3 = SAM (sahm and in samba)
>> 4 = SAH (sah as in sahm without the m)
>> 5 = OH (long O sound)
>> 6 = YOOK (oo as in kookie NOT cookie)
>> 7 = CHIL (as as CH + IL from above)
>> 8 = PAL (hard P, ahl as in all)
>> 9 = KU (koo as in kookie)
>> 10 = SHIP (sheep, but abrupt vowel sound)
>> 
>> All Korean words are very abrupt.  Try to avoid leaving vowels hang.  This 
>> might be tough for southerners (I'm from Keentuuucky myself).  For 
>> example, it's ILL as abruptly as possible.  You probably just hafta hear a 
>> Korean do it to really understand just HOW abrupt.
>> 
>> John Miller (my Korean wife was very explicit about the pronounciations)
>> 
>>  This is from
>>      miller@bluemoon.rn.com
>> who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
   
     Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those numbers actually 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc....  If I remember, the counting numbers are 
    
   1=HANA
   2=DUHL
   3=SET
   4=NET
   5=DASUT
   6=YOSUT
   7=ILGOB
   8=YODUL
   9=AHUP
  10=YUHL

      Well, at least that's how we counted during calisthenics....



|-)  Joe
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From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Two-toed boots?
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.022007.10494@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.193826.8548@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>>>> What is the purpose of two-toed boots?  (i.e. the foot is shaped like a heart)
>>> [..]
>
>>...I dunno about that last bit of history there. When I was in Japan, I noticed
>>park maintenance men and construction workers wearing them as the equivalent of
>>our workboots.
>
>  Yes, and I've seen these very same day-laborer boots for sale in martial
>arts stores (in the US) at about 10 times the price, and labelled "ninja
>boots."

It's that "ninja fever." :)

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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Two-toed boots?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 05:08:04 GMT
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esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) says:

>In article <1992Oct14.193826.8548@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>>>> What is the purpose of two-toed boots?  (i.e. the foot is shaped like a heart)
>>> [..]

>>...I dunno about that last bit of history there. When I was in Japan, I noticed
>>park maintenance men and construction workers wearing them as the equivalent of
>>our workboots.

>  Yes, and I've seen these very same day-laborer boots for sale in martial
>arts stores (in the US) at about 10 times the price, and labelled "ninja
>boots."

Geeze...heh.  The Tabi are just "classical" everday shoes in Japan.
They used to be just sandals with fancy coverings that came on and
off, and other's were permanent.  They came in anything from peasant
form (which is what most of the historical Ninja families were) to
armor plated that the samurai wore.

According to the reference book "A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and
 Use of Arms and Armor In All Countries and All Times", the official
 entry for Tabi is:

TABI. (Sandals).  Japanese defenses for the feet worn with sandals.  They
are made of small plates connected by mail, or of mail alone;  the plates
are of iron or laquered leather.  Most have no soles.  They were first
worn in the Ashikaga period.

Then it shows actuall pictures of OLD tabi (about 5 of them, made of
everything from mail, plates & mail, cloth, to leather).
Again, they were worn over sandals, and some of them had their own
soles, and they weren't always worn as armor as can be seen.

One main reason they are still worn in Ninpo/Ninjitsu, is because
there were techniques built around them, and it was considered part
of the "classical" outfit.


Those interested in this book, it's 700 pages long, describes 10,000
different kinds of arms and armor, has 875 photo engravings, and
illustrates 3500 different weapons.  Along with descriptions of the
various warrior classes, clothing, etc.  Mind you, this book is
compiled from all over the world, not just Asian representive, so it's
HUGE.  

The author is George Cameron Stone, and it was printed by Noble Offset
Printers, INC.   New York, NY  10003

Definitely worth it.




Marty

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From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin)
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Summary: 9 section
Organization: Racal-Datacom
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:58:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.142702.21212@cbnews.cb.att.com> yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn) writes:
>In article <6F8-Dx#@engin.umich.edu>, cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher) writes:
>> In article <Bw78FH.96s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>> >In article <1992Oct16.043507.6952@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>> >But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
>> >or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
>> >and that is effective?
>>I like a large umbrella with a heavy shaft.
>I like a nine section steel whip, they come in various weights and can be worn
>as a type of belt ( lethal).

   A half dozen miscut keys on either end of a 18"-24" choker collar.  Tuck 
one bunch of keys in your front pants pocket, tuck the other bunch in the 
the back pocket on the same side.  Loop the chain through your belt.  Looks 
like one of those `chain driven wallets' popular with motorcyclists.
   You now have a nasty little weighted chain type weapon.  If you're 
worried about it being `legal', stick a couple of valid keys on it.

Mark Urbin  Racal-Datacom  Boxborough, MA   urbin@interlan.interlan.com   
These opinions are mine.  No one else will admit to them.	          
Elvis is dead, but at least he isn't gaining anymore weight.
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From: kjones@src.dec.com (Kevin Jones)
Subject: Re: YOU SHOULD TRY LLAP-Goch!
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:36:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.211742.2629@craycos.com>, sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
|> BTW, Gary...don't you think you should have credited the
|> _National_Lampoon_ for that? I think the LLAP-Goch piece is
|> copyrighted.

I think you mean "credited the Monty Python team". The LLAP-Goch skit
appeared in their big blue/red book (either called blue with a red
cover or called red with a blue cover - it was a while ago!).

I have a copy of the original "ad" posted on my office wall. It was
given to me by a student some years ago. I can't imagine why - unless
the fact that I was born in the Rhondda had some thing to do with it
8->. 

I have an on-line copy some where that I'll post (again 8->) if
there's any more confusion ...


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From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:57:04 CDT

In article <1bescuINNfjh@travis.csd.harris.com> brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton) writes:
>As has been mentioned, "Miyagi"'s stunt double was Fumio Demura (sp?)
>who is a noted Karate master (Shito/Goju Ryu).
>
>The stunt double for "Sato" in the second movie was Grandmaster Jung S.
>Park of Park's TKD Federation here in South Florida (Park's TKD
>Federation practices the WTF forms).

Please, somebody, ....which specific scenes had doubles?


thanks,
-Lauren
From: davey@ux5.lbl.gov (davey hudson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: HELP! Mat Cleaning
Date: 9 Oct 1992 23:27:37 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
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We have tatame mats covered with canvas. Does anyone know
of a way to clean the canvas without removing it? I've 
heard of a damp powder carpet cleaner that may work.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Davey
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Chinese myths
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:08:51 GMT

My style of bagua (Sun's) describes it's eight forms by analogy to 
animals. Lion, bear, monkey, etc... all make sense to me, and the
analogy is quite usefull. However, in three cases, the analogy isn't
helpfull at all: Dragon, pheonix and unicorn (which I understand doesn't
translate well, being very different from the western unicorn...)
Does anyone have any information on these mythical animals are
like in the Chinese tradition? 

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder

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From: fengstad@xi.uleth.ca (Grant Fengstad)
Subject: Re: Tae Kwan Do and the Kwans no more?
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:42:42 GMT

In article <Bvs68p.33o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>In article <=ftzyjn@rpi.edu> chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:
>>Hello all!  For those out there in netland, I currently taking Tae Kwan Do
>>at my college club.  The style they teach is Chung Do Kwan.  Recently I
>>was told by a student outside our club, that there are no more kwans and
>>that there is just one "unified" TKD.  This standarizes the accepted forms
>>(hyoungs?).  Is this true?
>
>This is true of the World Taekwondo Federation, the official governing
>body for TKD, but there are numerous small federations that keep the
>old kwans and hyungs alive.  There is even the ITF, which is a large
>independent federation under Hong Hi Choi.
>

Boy... talk about misrepresentation.  The WTF is NOT the official
governing body of TKD.. It is the official governing body of WTF style
or Olympic style TKD.

The ITF was the original Korean gov't sponsored governing body of TKD,
but when Gen. Choi, Hong Hi left Korea and move the World-wide
headquarters to Toronto, Canada, to focus on spreading TKD throughout
the world, many independant Korean TKD stylists created WTF.  The WTF
today remains a Korean gov't sponsored organization, while the ITF is
supported by it's membership alone.   Neither the ITF or the WTF are
"official" governing bodies of TKD as a whole.

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From: g90p4494@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR CG PACELLA)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Steven Seagal
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:39:28 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In the September 1992 issue of Black Belt magazine there was an article "In 
Defence of Steven Seagal".  In the article there was a paragraph or two on 
Seagal at an Aikido seminar in California.  Does anybody know where aikidoka 
can get in touch with Seagal for training?  I heard he has a dojo in Japan 
and the US, but have no idea where in the USA.  Can anybody help?  I'd like 
to get in touch with him....

C.P.
Rhodes University
South Africa
From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Segal
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:43:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Speaking of Segal, I just saw the interview on Arsineo Hall tonight.

All I can say is that I feel sorry for Arsineo.  That must of been
the hardest interview he had to give.  Segal was his usually cocky, 
arrogant, jerkoff self, and you could tell Arsineo was having a tough
time of it.  
Usually before a performer comes on, they'll tell the producers what
they do and do not want asked of them, and here goes Segal refusing
to answer questions right and left on the show.  They weren't personal
questions, and he didn't even "respectfully decline".  Just a flat
out no.  You'd have to see it to understand how rude and jerky it was.
Arsineo was at a loss for words.  Never seen him that way.

Anyways he starts elaborating on this big "Origins of Aids" thing,
saying how it had to of been originated by man, and who wouldn't
elaborate any further because "Certain people wouldn't like me to.."
Yah right.  Like commandos are raiding his house right now.
Geeze man, it's not like he was the first person to publicly say
that theory, that some big "Illuminati" strike force is going to
strike him down.  (Notice how I didn't say Gree..er).

Gotta go, there's a knock at the door....


Marty

Do
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From: geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland)
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:01:34 GMT
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, HSS

In article <37740016@otter.hpl.hp.com>, ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
|> 
|> I've been doing Judo recently for about a year and am about to go in for my
|> first Dan grading.  I haven't done any competitive fighting (apart from my 1st
|> Kyu grading six months ago which wasn't much) for about 16 years, and styles
|> have changed enormously.  One of the most obvious things is an undignified
|> scrabble for grip.
|> 
|> In my previous competitions we would take hold and then get on with the
|> competition, changing grip as we went.  Now there seems to be a lot of
|> handwaving as both competitors try desperately to stop the other getting any
|> hold at all.  This looks dreadful and really annoys me when someone does it to
|> me during practice. 
|> 
|> Is this just in England or do other countries have the same style? 
|> 

I'm afraid you're probably stuck with dealing with it; i remember a
a remark some months ago bye a high ranking instructor that at the
last big international meet he saw, something like 80% of the matches
were essentially won during kumikata.  So you can expect everyone
else to try and imitate what the big boys and girls are doing.


-- 
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"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."




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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: the FAQ
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:06:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: martiniq.MARY.92Oct14140617
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: cschum@engin.umich.edu's message of 14 Oct 92 13:53:16 GMT


In article <VS7-Sy_@engin.umich.edu> cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher) writes:

   In article <guay.719023422@sfu.ca> guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:
   >Some poster a few dozen messages ago mentioned this group's FAQ. Where
   >can I locate said beast?
   >
   >===============================================================================
   >  Ta Ta For Now      | Beware of the demon Wizzy Wig, the father of 
   >        Tim          | typographic lies... 
   >===============================================================================

   I'd like to know too!
   Somebody please post the info.              

Well...once upon a time it used to be found on cs.huji.ac.il, but I just
checked and it's no longer there, and it's been a long time since we heard
from Izar.  I'm wondering if the FAQ has died.

I do have a copy of the FAQ that's probably close to a year old, that I
will resurrect for any interested parties; however, I'd also like to 
propose if we don't hear from Izar real soon (tap tap tap) that we get
our acts together re: another faq.  What do y'all think?

Personally, I'd like to see a FAQ written (or perhaps "compiled" is a 
better word) by a group of interested people.  By "interested" I mean
able and willing to put in the necessary work, which means both writing
and reviewing.  I think the FAQ should be as general and non-partisan
as possible.  

In order to provide information about specific arts, various net.people
who practice them could, if they wanted to, compile their own documents,
which could be included or referenced in the FAQ.  I'm thinking of things 
like the aikido dojo directory, the judo FAQ that I heard talk of a 
while ago, the TKD terminology post that was sent around, and so on.  

So...comments, please!  And Izar, if you ARE out there, please let 
us know.  
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From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: Hip Damage, legs too strong...
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:52:49 GMT

Heinz Lottermoser (heinzl@elroy) wrote:
: 
: Anyway, I have been to a couple of the classes and now I can barely walk.  
: It seems that my leg muscles for vertical movement are too strong, and 
: the slow stretches and kicks are causing my leg bone to cantilever over
: into my hip socket, badly.  I am getting distinct cartilege damage and 
: tendonitis.  
: 
: My teachers seem to be used to people with little muscular development, not 
: abnormal over-development, and suggest that I do slow form kicks to strengthen
: the muscles and loosen them, but I am not getting any stretch this way, since
: the muscles anchor the leg too low and I can't get a slow side kick up above
: two feet when extended.  Same for a slow forward thrust kick.
: 
: Does anyone have a suggestion for what I could do, to get the stretch?  
: I feel like I need to strengthen the muscles on the outside of the leg and
: the groin mucsles going from the inside of the thigh to the outside of the
: hip in order to offset the cantilevering, but I don't know of any good
: excercises for this.
: 

Have you tried dynamic (moving) stretches?

These might be just as bad for your hip, or might not..

Anyway these consist of swinging your leg at moderate speed in the direction

you would normally kick.  So to stretch for a right leg front kick you 

would start the right leg about a foot back from your left, then using

your body, hip and leg muscles swing it up as high as you can in front of you.

Keep your leg straight throughout this movement.  For a side kick stretch

you would be swinging the leg up to the side.

Might be worth trying..

Dave S.
From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Martial Artists
Summary: suppliment meat with...
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 669971@cix.compulink.co.uk, bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar) writes:
->Tom Swiss writes
->>     Are there any other vegetarian martial artists out there? A friend
->>of mine at the dojo, who's a vegan and a rather slender fellow, is
->>training for his black belt, and all the instructors are pressuring him
->>to bulk up. Any training advice is appreciated. (Especially since it'll
->>make it easier when my turn comes!)
->
->
->Yo, I admit it.
->
->
->Is your friend naturally thin i.e. has he always been thin. Because
->if he is naturally that way I would advise him not to tamper with
->his weight. If he is thin because he does not eat properly that is
->a different matter.
->
->
->Personally I have no problem with being vegie (not vegan I eat milk
->cheese etc.) I tend to eat a fairly high carbo diet - rice, pasta etc.
->
->
->Bill Burgar.

Just a suggestion,
as far as diet goes...those who obstain from meat, milk, eggs, true sources
of fat and protein, usually will suppliment these for the many different
forms of "dofu", or tofu. Milk is subsituted with "dojong" (liquid dofu).
This and wheat grass extract, jelly, and juices, or valuable sources for
protein that a martial artist needs. And in martial arts, you need alot of
protein among other essentials. This may not "bulk you up", but if you
are danerously thin and a vegetatian, you are probably missing alot of
much needed protein in your diet.

Dofu fried, boiled, or how ever you cook it replaces meats very well.
Some people, and alot of westerners may not like it, but I would think
that those people probably rely on or crave meats in their diet.

I personally mix dofu in meats when I cook it. YUM YUMM ( I'm not a
vegetarian)

/New Dave
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