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From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Playing slots
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:12:02 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

I must have gotten my name on some kind of mailing list because I've been
getting all kinds of junk mail lately regarding gambling.  Anyway, one
of these pieces caught my eye and it read it through.  (*Real* slow
night in New Hampshire  :-) )  It was in regard to playing slots, and
this dude claimed to have figured out how to make a definite profit in
slots.

Maybe it's me, but I always figured slots was a game of *chance*, with
absolutely no skill involved whatsoever.  Whether or not one wins is
purely a matter of chance, luck, relative humidity, phase of the moon,
current cricket population in Iceland, and various other factors.  One
of the "tidbits" that this dude tossed out was that if you see a slot
machine with a cherry showing on the middle reel, definitely play it,
since this is allegedly a certain indicator that this machine is getting
ready to pay off big time.

Is there really a viable "slots strategy", other than continuously
stuffing <coin denomination> into the machine, and hoping it pays off
before your financial resources disappear?  Logic tells me no, but....

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

      "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What gives at the Garden City ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:14:41 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: diver.asd.sgi.com

In article <1993Jan25.222140.7287@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>I heard a brief report on the radio over the weekend that some
>"stockholders" of the Garden City were arrested and charged
>with crimes that allegedly took place at the club.  The report
>was EXTREMELY sketchy.  Anyone know who these people are, and
>what they are charged with ? 

That WAS a pretty sketchy report.  The owners and some of the principal
management of Garden City have been under indictment for a couple of years
now for skimming profits.  [This goes to show that some people just can't
make enough money.  It looks to me like that operation is financially
equivalent to a legal money printing press].  Anyway, owner Nick Dalis,
his mother, a couple of nephews (I think) and various other people have
been in and out of court for a long time.  Former SJ COP Joe McNamara wanted
to shut 'em down and revoke the license, which would effectively mean
they'd get *nothing* for their investment in the club.  Once McNamara left,
the climate was far better for a settlement of some sort.  The new
chief (I'm not going to mangle his name here, it's Lou C.....) is willing
to let the Dalis family sell their interests, (and thus make a potload of
money).  

A deal was worked out such that they plead guilty to some subset of the 
charges, and he doesn't revoke the license.  They sell their interest
and apparently only Nick Dalis runs any real risk of doing time.

Of course, the fact that the club pays $5M/yr. in taxes didn't hurt the 
SJ City Council's willingness to find some middle ground %).

Personal opinion: Garden City is a clean operation in the sense that the
dealers are square, the games are square.  That's the part that matters
to me.  Clearly some very slimy stuff was happening in the backroom, and
I think it's wholly appropriate to get those responsible out and toss 'em
in the pokey if the violations are serious enough.

I do worry about the jobs of the people that work there.  I suspect that
lower level folks (dealers, cashiers, waitpersons, etc.) are probably
fairly secure.  However, floorpersons, shift managers, etc.  may have a 
tougher situation.  I feel bad about that because I think largely they
are a fine bunch of people doing a difficult job very well.  I can't think
of any floorpersons I would advocate getting rid of.  And the shift
managers that I know (Japanese Mike, Rick Bell, and Chris Martin) all do
an excellent job.  I would suspect their jobs might be at risk.

Now there *are* a couple of dealers I'd like to talk to the new management
about...

Regards, Lee
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Question about proprieties in BJ
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:49:30 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson




 When I was in Vegas last I had something happen that I was unclear about. 
I was on a $10 BJ table at CC and had just won a double down hand and took
back some chips. The cocktail waitress chose that moment to bring my drink
and as I reached for a $1 chip to give her I grabbed what I thought was a
$10 chip and put it down for my bet. The dealer dealt out the cards and it was
then (before looking at my cards although I have no idea if the dealer knew
Ihad yet to look at them) that I saw that it was only a $5 chip. I pointed
it out to the dealer and said "sorry I thought it was a ten" and he said
"just go ahead and put another five down". I did and then looked at my cards
and saw that I had a blackjack. I felt like a slimeball figuring that he
probably thought I knew what I had and I gave him a five but I was curious
as to what should have been done in that situation. Should he have allowed
me to increase my bet to the table minimum as I did or just given me
some shit and made me play the $5? 


			gln

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: Marty.Campman%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Marty Campman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:51:06 PST
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Subject: Re: Double Down Stud
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Marty.Campman%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Marty Campman)
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In message <1993Jan25.221440.4868@ntg.com>
dated 25 Jan 93 22:14:40 GMT
slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum) writes:



> >>>>>> "marty" == Marty Campman <Marty.Campman%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us> writes
:
>  [ Marty's table for double-down 7-stud payoffs deleted ... ]
>  [ Video poker notes from the FAQ delete ... ]
> >
> >Taken together, doesn't this imply that this game has a positive
> >expectation (neglecting the effect of other player's hands, which may be
> >significant, since VP is a head-on game)?  (I imagine someone will show me
> >the error of my ways, the casinos probably aren't giving out free lunches
> >here.  :-))
> 
> Hand probabilities will be different for 7-Stud vs. 5 card draw.
> 
> Still, the table he gave looks like it should be a player win,
> especially if you get to know 6 of your cards before having the option
> to double down.
> -- 
                                                                             
Double Down Stud is 5 card stud, not 7, so it basically makes it a table 
version of VP, without the draw.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Easy money!
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:51:25 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <C15syw.423@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park) writes:

>In article <zlsiida.771@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>|> At Waikato greyhound track in Wellington, New Zealand, last week, the Tote 
>|> continued to accept bets for 3 minutes after one of the races was over.....
>|> 36 people were smart enough to bet on the winning tricast (1-2-3 in correct 
>|> order), which paid out 3000pounds.
>|> 153 people bet on the WRONG dog!
>|> 
>Did the 153 people bet thinking it was the next race?

I reckon so.  Or else they're REAL dumb in NZ

>SO what happened to the 36 lucky people, did they end up cashing their tickets?

The govt is trying to get the money back, claiming fraud (govt run Tote)

>Wouldn't the additonal trifecta tickets decrease the payout??

Must have - somebody who posts in alt.folklore.urban knows more about it...

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Subject: Emeryville card rooms
Summary: Comments on rooms other than Oaks in Emeryville sought
Keywords: Emeryville, Oaks, King Midas, Key Club
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:21:54 GMT

I went to the Oaks in Emeryville on Sunday and I noticed as I was leaving
that there are two other card rooms very near it, the King Midas and Key
clubs.  Have any rec.gamblers checked these rooms out?  Taylor?  Mike?
Are they worth going into, or should one give them a pass?

Also, I travel to Emeryville from the South Bay, and I always (OK, all
three times) get lost getting there and getting back.  I think I've got a
grip on getting there now, but when I go south on San Pablo and turn left
after the underpass I end up on 24 heading for Walnut Creek and need to
take 13 to get to the 580.  Isn't there some more direct way of getting to
580 East?
-- 
s/Martin Veneroso
slick@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: 100% SURE THING
In-reply-to: freedman@cs.colostate.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:21:21 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
	<Jan22.002121.32922@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:57:34

In article <Jan22.002121.32922@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman) writes:

>In article 10868@engage.pko.dec.com, cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor) writes:
>>In article <2336.27.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp>, paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) writes...
>>> [...]
>>>She also told me to avoid the multi-action blackjack - you bet your hand
>>>3 times (minimum $10 each), then get your cards - you'd better not bust
>>>'cos the dealer then deals 3 sets of cards, one set at a time, and
>>>compares it to your hand.  (If you busted, you just lost all 3 hands).
>>>This game seems terrible from many angles, not the least of which is you
>>>might hit 15 against a 9 showing, but the dealers other 2 hands could
>>>have 6 showing, in fact I'm not even sure you get to see the first
>>>dealer hand.
>>
>>Nope.  The dealer uses the same up card for all three hands, but gets
>>a new hole card for each one.  If you hit 15 against a 9, you have hit
>>15 against 9 for all three hands.  Yeah, that's not an ideal hand, so it
>>seems bad to have to play it 3 times, but when you get 11 and double down
>>against a dealer's 5, it's nice to have it take effect 3 times.
>>
>
> These are TWO DIFFERENT games.  There is tripple-action as described first
> and tripple-play as described second.  I prefer the tripple-play as I
> immediately know (or can speculate anyways) if I'm gonna win 3 or not.

Actually, I think you have these reversed.  Triple-action (multi-action)
came first and is described in the previous posts -- same dealer upcard
played out against multiple times.  Triple-CHANCE blackjack, as described
in the Dec. 25 1992 issue of "Card Player", the dealer gets three different
upcards before you act on you hand.

> The basic idea on both is not to bust.  Figure anything is better than
> busting since you quickly loose 3 times and loose all hope of the
> dealer even busting once.

Wrong.  In multi-action blackjack, the basic idea is to use basic strategy.
In triple-chance blackjack, the correct strategy will depend on the three
upcards, but using a simple "never bust" strategy would be foolish.

Triple-chance blackjack is a very bad game for the player.  Hopefully
people will stay away from it so that it will die in infancy.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Don't worry, I just have these harmless pocket rockets...."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: What gives at the Garden City ?
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:21:40 GMT

I heard a brief report on the radio over the weekend that some
"stockholders" of the Garden City were arrested and charged
with crimes that allegedly took place at the club.  The report
was EXTREMELY sketchy.  Anyone know who these people are, and
what they are charged with ? 

Thanks,
Guido
From: why@Saigon.COM (Will Hyde)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: why lives...
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:11:14 GMT
Organization: Station Zebra Corp, Sunnyvale CA Ph:408-739-1520

Ummm, why@kpc.com lives!  Justincase it makes any difference (if you 
are one of the beta testers of the Hold'em book and you thought I was
"dead", or if you're a wrgpt2 player and wondering where the tournament 
director went, et al).
 
Will Hyde is back.  That is, I'm here ... three months without access
to rec.gambling ... geez, can you imagine...?  

My old address (why@kpc.com) still works.  Mail sent to me at that
address will be autoforwarded to the mcimail account I'm using in
Utah, probably for as long as I'm here (same thing is now happening
with all the rec.gambling articles; so I am, indeed, back :).

Mail sent to me here at this address (szebra.saigon.com) will also
reach me, but perhaps not for a matter of days sometimes--it's a 
long-distance (800 miles) login I don't use much from here.

The Utah address (little difference from the kpc address, actually)
is:    0004729837@mcimail.com.

They gave me a number and took away my name....  :)

-will 



-- 

___________________________________________________why@szebra.saigon.com
(will hyde)
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Should I return the money back?
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:11:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1993Jan22.211914.26981@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lien@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LIEN FANG PEI) writes:
>On my last trip to Las Vegas, a cashier gave me $400     
>more than I cashed in because she miscounted a black $100
>chip as a pink $500 chip.
>
>Because I didn't want the cashier to have a big
>trouble, I gave the $400 back to the cashier after leaving
>the cashier for five minutes.  Her manager called the
>security department to check the video tape for
>verification.  Yes, it was on the tape.  So, they took the
>money back and I got a sensational thank for my honesty and
>a complimentary meal.
>
>I am just wondering what if I didn't return the $400?

Likely, the cashier would owe $400 to the casino at the end of the day.
I suppose the cashier could also lose his/her job.

>I am positively sure that I won't return the $400 if a
>dealer gives me a pink for a black.  

I agree.  A mistake like that at a table would go completely
un-noticed and no one person would get in trouble.

>But from a cashier, I am still not sure.

I think you did the right thing.  
Keeping the money would be very much like stealing $400 from 
someone will they weren't looking.

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller)
Subject: Dunes hotel out of business
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:13:25 GMT

Monday night at midnight, the Dunes Hotel closed its doors forever. It appears
that Steve Wynn bought the hotel, and will be tearing it down to create yet
another huge resort type hotel. The plans are for the new hotel to be surroundedby a huge lake.

So, if you had reservations at the Dunes for Super Bowl Weekend, I would
suggest you start making some calls for alternate arrangements.


|         Ray Miller           |            DISCLAIMER               |
|  cub@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov     |  All opinions are strictly my own   |
								     
 "I once spent a year in Philadelphia, I think it was on a Sunday" WCFields
From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Roulette: RSSM, CQX5M, etc - where is info??
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:50:56 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

Hey!!  Down at my local bookstore last night, was asking the clerk about
roulette books, and a guy overheard me and offered to explain the system
to me.  We went to a nearby coffee shop and talked for hours.  (I'm still
not clear on how one learns this system; it must be in print somewhere?)
Anyway, it's fabulous!  Doing computer simulations until the wee hours
this morning, starting out with a pot of 50 units, I was up to almost
7000 units by 3am.  Now if the randomness at a real roulette wheel works
the same as a roulette computer program, I'll be all set!

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

      "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Question
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:10:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>
>Do the casinoes in Vegas accept travelers checks at the tables?
>Or does one have to go to the cashier or change window first?
>
>does it vary from casino to casino?
>
>thanks,
>
>Joe Amato
>-- 

Gotta go to the cashier ("the cage") and cash'em in for real
filthy lucre first. 

Harv
From: alan@ahmcs.mq.com (Alan Mintz)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Rubble Heaps.
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:45:59 GMT
Organization: Micro-Quick Systems, Inc.

In <1993Jan25.131727.7450@gw.wmich.edu> 22sullivan@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>In article <1k13h8$6go@agate.berkeley.edu>, jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin) writes:
>> The Dunes is bidding its last farewell. The doors are closing
>> at midnight, HA HA HA HA HA HA!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

>     I thought they were just closing to do some major remodeling.  Does
>someone know if this is true.

I played poker with a fellow that was putting together a bid/plan to
buy/remodel the place. It sounded like they were going to sink a bunch of 
money into it and turn it back into a "major strip casino".
---
< Alan H. Mintz  | alan@ahmcs.mq.com | ...!uunet!ahmcs!alan >
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Subject: Re: Casino's in Paris, France and Puerto Rico?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:42:02 GMT


Puerto Rico:  8 casinos in San Juan, 2 in Dorado Beach, 2 in Mayaguez, 1 in
Humacao, and 1 in Rio Grande.

San Juan (on the northeast side of the island):
Ambassador Plaza Hotel & Casino - bj, craps, roulette, baccarat
Caribe Hilton International - 17 bj, 5 craps, 4 roulette, 2 baccarat, 197 slots
Clarion Hotel & Casino - bj, craps, roulette, baccarat
Condado Plaza Hotel & Casino - 28 bj, 6 craps, 8 roulette, 4 baccarat, 298 slots
Dutch Inn Hotel & Casino - bj, craps, roulette, baccarat
Palm Hotel & Casino - bj, craps, roulette, baccarat
El San Juan Hotel & Casino - 25 bj, 6 craps, 6 roulette, 4 baccarat, 300 slots
Sands Hotel & Casino - 20 bj, 5 craps, 3 roulette, 1 baccarat, 250 slots

Dorado Beach (20 miles west of San Juan):
Hyatt Dorado Beach Hotel & Casino - 12 bj, craps, roulette, baccarat, big 6,
                                    250 slots
Hyatt Regency Cerromar Beach Hotel & Casino - 12 bj, craps, roulette, baccarat,
                                    big 6, 250 slots

Mayaguez (half way down west coast):
Hilton International Mayaguez Hotel & Casino - bj, craps, roulette, slots
Holiday Inn - Mayaguez & Casino - bj, craps, roulette, slots

Humacao (east coast):
Candelero Hotel & Villas, Palmas Del Mar Resort - bj, craps, roulette, slots

Rio Grande (25 minutes east of San Juan):
La Ceiba Hotel & Casino - 5 bj, 1 craps, 2 roulette, 42 slots


Paris, France
Enghien-les-Bains (12 miles from Paris):
Casino d'Enghien-les-Bains - 12 bj, 12 english roulette, 12 chemin de fer,
    1 banque, entrance fee 70 F, dress code tie & jacket, ID/passport required

Forges-les-Eaux (63 miles northwest of Paris):
Grand Casino de Forges-les-Eaux - 4 bj, 1 american roulette, 5 french roulette,
    1 baccarat, entrance fee 60 F, dress code elegant, ID/passport required



Further details (addresses, phone/fax numbers, etc.) available on request.
-- 
s/Martin Veneroso
slick@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: Marty.Campman%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Marty Campman)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08:02:01 PST
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Subject: Re: Double Down Stud
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Marty.Campman%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Marty Campman)
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10a S/N 210921

In message <30197@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dated 20 Jan 93 22:11:05 GMT
gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

> In article <1993Jan20.162544.7852@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>, cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ra
y Miller) writes:
> > I too was in LV this past weekend, and played DDS. I have played in the pas
t,
> > and believe it is one of the best games going. I can't think of one other
> 
>  Could someone describe how this game is played please - I've never heard of
> it.
> 
> 
> 			gln

Sure. PLayers place their bet ($5 min at the Hilton). Each player is dealt 1
card face up. The dealer then deals 4 cards, 1 down and 3 up. Now is where
the fun comes in. All players use the 4 cards in front of the dealer in
their hand. Since you can see 3 of the 4 cards in your hand, you know
basically if you've got anything. At this point you have the option to
"DOUBLE DOWN" your bet. I'll set up a sample hand, it'll be easier to show
than describe.

Player 1 bets 5 and gets a Jack.

Player 2 bets 5 and gets a 7.

Player 3 bets 10 and gets a 4.

The dealer deals one down, a six, a Jack, and a 4.

Real quick, the payouts! (I now appollogize for the haphazzard arrangement
of my desciption)

Pair 6 - 10 PUSH
Pair J - A  Pays 1-1 
Two Pair    Pays 2-1
3 of a Kind Pays 3-1
Straight    Pays 5-1
Flush       Pays 8-1
Fullhouse   Pays 11-1
4 of a kind Pays 50-1 (I think)
Strt. Flush Pays 200-1
Royal Flush Pays 2000-1

That's about what I remember. (It's not like I wasn't drinking or anything)

So back to our scenario.  P1 has at least a pair of jacks @ 1-1, so he
Doubles down (now @ $10). P2 has the 7 with nothing showing for help, so he
doesn't DD. Player 3 sees another 4, but since you need 6's or better to
push, P3 decides not to double the bet. 
     After all players have had a chance to make their Double, the 5th card
is turned. In our scenario, it turns out to be another 4.

Player 1 now has two pair (J & 4), so his bet of 10 gets paid 2-1!
Player 2 has a pair of 4s, not enough to push, house takes his 5.
Player 3 lucks out, now having three of a kind . 10 @ 3-1 pays 30.

If p3 had doubled on the chance there was a 4, then it's a nice $60 pay!

Try to get 60 in a regular game of 5 stud with 3 of a kind.

Anyway, hope I 'splained it OK.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: winslade@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Winslade)
Subject: Dunes ???
Keywords: Closing ??
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:32:12 GMT

A coworker told me today that a FOAF* told him that the Dunes in LV
was shutting down.  Is this true or just rumor ??
 
Good day       JSW
From: masc0059@rohan.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Tim Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Super Bowl
Date: 19 Jan 1993 22:32:58 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: rohan.sdsu.edu
Summary: Where to watch the game at...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	I am going to be in Las Vegas on January 30th - February 2nd, and
was curious if anyone knew of a good casino to watch the game at.  Last year
I spent it at the Sahara, and it wasn't to bad.  $15 per person for a buffet
(not including drinks) and a seat in one of the ballrooms with 5 huge big
screen T.V's to watch the game.  It sure beats the Sport Books.
Is there any other place you would recommend to watch the game at???

Let me know!

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