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From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Opinions about _The Spectre_
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:41:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1e9kmoINNmeh@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.163946.62132@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:

>	It's not just Ostrander's fault.  DC has NEVER given his books 
>(Suicide Squad and Manhunter, ferinstance) a tenth of the publicity that
>they give to projects like Titans and Lobo.  If DC would promote it, it
>would sell.  

Hmm. But Lobo wasnt hyped till after the tremendous success of the first mini-
series. And both Suicide Squad and Manhunter were started in the wake of the
crossovers Legends and Millenium, thereby giving them a BIG advantage out of
the starting gate. The Spectre has been hyped a bit, complete with cover and
the gimmick of coming out at Halloween time. 

>By the time they try stuff (note the appearances of Batman 
>and Superman near the end), the consistant sales are not enough.

Except that Batman made several guest appearances in the Squad. He appeared 
twice in the first year or so of the Squad and there was a JLI crossover (
the JLI was then very popular) as well. He had at least two more guest shots
and major ones at that in later issues as well. As far as crossovers go, there
was at least one mongo crossover that I can recall with Manhunter, Captain
Atom and Checkmate (other Ostrander written stuff). The squad also participa-
ted in Invasion and War of the Clods.

Its a shame that Ostrander's books tend to get cancelled, since he is one of
DCs best authors. But its not because of lack of gimmicks and crossovers.
The Squad certainly tried its share of gimmicks and crossovers to  sell more.
Mind you, Ostrander has enough integrity and writing skills to make
each crossover fit the mood of the book. This is particularly so for the
batman crossovers, which fit perfectly since the Squad and batman operate in
the same world of darkness and shadows. 

Abhijit
From: 128.155.44.15 (Larry Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re:learning to draw
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:56:22 GMT
Organization: NASA LaRC Graphics
Reply-To: 128.155.44.15 (Larry Merrill)
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 Any figure drawing book by Andrew Loomis is highly recommended.

"Figure Drawing for All it's Worth" - A must-have for figure drawing. Covers 
basic anatomy, perspective,foreshortening and figures in motion. Still in 
print, I believe. Viking Press

"Drawing the Head and Hands" - Another must-have. Facial stucture, 
expressions, gender and ages from babys to grandparents. Also still in print 
from Viking Press.

"Creative Illustration" - A 4-year art college all bound into one book. 
Covers everything. I don't think this one is available, unfortunately.(I'd  
really like to have a copy of this one!) Check some of your local libraries. 
I saw a well-worn copy at an art college library.

"Three-Dimensional Drawing" - I have never seen this book, but knowing 
Loomis' work, I can only imagine the details he covers in here. Probably 
worth looking into. I'm not sure of the availability.

Steve Rude of NEXUS fame is a big Loomis fan. His sketchbook published by (?)
shows a lot of Loomis influence. Rude mentions him several times in the book.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Larry Merrill - Opinions provided are mine all mine. Nobody else should be blamed!
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From: stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu (charles stigers)
Subject: Re: Robin III
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:42:39 GMT

In article <75894@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:
|> What's the deal with issue number 3?  It was on someone's list for
|> comics coming out this week, but I never saw  it.  What did I miss?
|> 
|> Any answers would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
|>

      I don't think you've missed anything - the list that Mr. Cowling
posted stated that Robin III #2 was being distributed.

    Chris 'ACE' Stigers
 
|> 
|> -- 
|> DE LA COVA,JORGE
|> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
|> uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jd53
|> Internet: jd53@prism.gatech.edu
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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Books of Magic, book IV -- revised
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:46:55 GMT

In article <1e4guvINNnt7@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>                        The Books of Magic
>                    Book IV: The Road to Nowhere
>                  By Neil Gaiman and Paul Johnson
>                  Not yet reprinted in any other form

Not yet, it's true, but DC has announced the TPB for sale in January.


>                    Annotations by David Goldfarb
>
>	panel 2: The horned man is Black Bison, a Firestorm villain. He
>first appeared in _The Fury of Firestorm, the Nuclear Man_ #1 and
>was created by ?. Any references on M'nagaleh?

FoF #1 was by Gerry Conway (who also co-created Firestorm), Pat Broderick, 
and Alfredo Alcala, edited by Len Wein.

>	panel 4: Eclipso was created by ?, and first appeared in _House
>of Secrets_ #61 (1963).  Of course, this story predates the retcons to
>Eclipso's history in the crossover storyline "The Darkness Within".
>
In a recent letter to CBG (within the last year) Bob Haney claimed
credit for creating Eclipso and sounded pretty miffed that DC hadn't
acknowledged as much.

Adventure Comics #369 (first app. of Mordru the Merciless) was written
by Jim Shooter and drawn (I think) by Curt Swan (or possibly Win
Mortimer) and edited by Mort Weisinger. I suspect the creation was by
Shooter and/or Weisinger.

>
>p.23	panel 4: After _The Books of Magic_, there was a _Mr. E_ miniseries
>following on directly after. It wasn't written by Gaiman and IMHO was not
>very good. It had more complete details on just what did happen to Mr. E's
>sister. (However, I don't remember just what the details were.)
>
I don't remember the details of the story either, but FWIW the miniseries
was by K.W. Jeter, John K. Snyder III, and Jay Geldhof, edited by 
Stuart Moore.

>Scott Emery (emery@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov) mentioned the Talking Heads song,
>as did Andrew Solovay (solovay@netcom.com) and Michael Montoure (number6@
>u.washington.edu).
>Abhijit Khale (khale@camilla.eng.sun.com) corrected the issue numbers of
>the Magic Wars storyline.
>Michael Bowman (bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu) gave first appearances and/or creator
>credits for Jinx, Black Bison, Eclipso, Tefe Holland, Vandal Savage, 
>Jonah Hex, Tommy Tomorrow, Space Cabbie, Space Ranger, and Darkseid.
>
>-- 
>   David Goldfarb          | "Bagels can be an enormous force for good or for 
>goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  evil. It is up to us to decide how we will use
>goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |  them."    -- Daniel M. Pinkwater

cheers,
	AST
cheers,
	AST

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From: cgilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Gilmore)
Subject: LNH, RACM, ACL, etc...
Summary: Enough already...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:09:36 GMT

  As one of the (undoubtedly) many net.lurkers here on racm, I have to say
that I've never really cared whether or not the LNH posted here or anywhere
else.  It's generally a very few posts out of a hundred or so per day, and
most of them die the first time I kill the thread.  No, I don't bother with a
killfile - once in a while I enjoy reading through one of the stories.

  As for rac.fanfic, or whatever you wish to call it, it's a plain out stupid
idea.  The quantity of fiction posted on the entire RAC* hierarchy certainly
wouldn't justify it.

  Oh, and thank YOU Mr. Cowling, for managing to fill up RACM with this
extended flamewar.  Signal to noise hasn't been this bad since the anti-mutant
flamewar on RAC.  

			Chris Gilmore

Follow up should be elsewhere.  Like alt.flame
Don't bother flaming me.  I'm back to lurking.
From: crisper@deeptht.armory.com (Crisper Than Thou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fast Forward
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:16:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The Armory, Santa Cruz

In article <1e1acuINNgu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool) writes:
>
>In <Bxo52H.FGt@cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@sunb0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
>
>>I was quite surprised and pleased to walk into my comic shop yesterday and see
>>that Pirhana has started a new anthology book, "Fast Forward."  
>
>>So, has anyone bought this, and, if so, Is the Morrison story his typical
>>drivel, or will I be able to swallow it?  The McKean art looked wonderful, as
>>usual.  And how are the other stories?
>
>I bought Fast Forward #1 "Phobias", and was quite pleased, except for the
>$5 price tag.  The Morrison/McKean story was quite good, it's a glimpse
>into the mind of a lonley librarian.  I haven't read much of Morrison, so
>I don't know how typical it is for him.  I thought the best story was

	It actually felt more like Gaiman to me; I was almost done with the
	story before I remembered it was Morrison, not Gaiman. Much more
	low-key than most of the Morrison stuff I've read; more along the
	lines of his ST SWITHIN'S DAY than, say, anything he's done recently.

>"Barney the Burning Banker" by Russel Braun, who I've never heard of.
>It features a dull banker who just happens to bear a slight resemblance to
>Marvel's Ghost Rider, and his pet goldfish Beowulf - his only friend.
>
	I think I agree. Dunno who this guy is either, but "Barney..." was
	a marvelous story. I also liked Andrew Helfer's fear-of-flying
	story, mostly for the obscenely cheerful art by Glenn Barr.

>The other stories are also pretty good.  Next issue is supposed to deal
>with familes, and features a story by Kyle (why I hate saturn) Baker.
>
	If the next issue is as enjoyable as the first, I'm eager to see
	it. Just wish it cost about a buck less....

>-- 
>Craig Jackson      ---      Omniscient fool      ---      omni@ucscb.ucsc.edu

	--The Elder Dan (crisper@armory.com)
	"Okay, bomb. Arm yourself."
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:03:28 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

There are a great many of us who cannot access Alt.Comics.LNH and rely
on RAC.misc for crossposting purposes.

And how can ANYTHING be off-topic on a group specifically called
MISCELLANEOUS?!?!? Anything goes here - so long as it is relatively
comic book oriented - whi the LNH is.

I don't see anyone getting their panties in a twist over the dozens of
X-Men/Mutant posts that pop up here daily!!!

						Two more of my pfennings.
						Saint.
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: IMAGE
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:40:58 GMT

It has been so long since I saw an Image book, I can't
remember what they look like.

Maybe it's just ads, and there really aren't any books
at all? Just Malibu Sun and Wizard. They're probably
planning on not releasing the comics.

Will they ever release anything new?

Scott

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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Joe Quesada, Frank Miller and Jae Lee ..
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:06 EST  

I saw an ad which featured Wolverine drawn by Quesada in a mean-n-vicious 
pose.  To follow up on the Jim Lee-rips-off-Frank Miller thread, this ad 
looks a lot like Quesada is mixing in a bit of Jae Lee and Frank MIller 
(Sin City style) influence.  It was great looking, but the change in style 
was apparent.  Oh, the ad was in Arena Magazine #5.  I know Quesada will be 
taking over on X-Factor, but I was wondering if he will be working on 
anything else mutant related.  I don't think the art came from a future 
issue of X-Factor, so where did it come from?  Wolverine?

 - Wayne.
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (The Mantle Clinic)
Subject: Re: Mazzucchelli?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:06:20 GMT

128.155.44.15  writes:
> Whatever happened to Dave Mazzucchelli? His work on Batman: Year One and the 
> "Born Again" arc in Daredevil was outstanding. Just wondering if he is out of 
> the comics business or just somewhere I don't know about.
> 

Mazzucchelli and his wife Richmond Lewis (I believe that's her)
are publishing and indie magazine sized comic a la McKeans
Cages but I can't remember what it's called.  It's been out for
quite some time and his art style is absolutely nothing like
his previous work.  
--
                     A helpless victim of society...
                                Curt Tsui
                            curt@Virginia.EDU            
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: How was ROBIN 3000?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:19:42 GMT

Has anyone out there read ROBIN 3000?

I saw it on the stands, but passed it up because of the high $$$.

On a hunch, it didn't look like anything special, but I'd like to know
if someone out there liked it.

I'm thinking that if it was anything short of INCREDIBLE, then I made
a wise decision.

Greg
From: isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:48:29 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 >   From looking at the lack of progression in Lee's artwork over the
 > past year and a half or so, it seems like he's taken his present
 > style as far he can go with it.  Either he can stagnate, or he can
 > try to expand, experiment, grow.  Lee's a great artist, but noone is
 > so skilled that they can't learn by experimenting and imitating.
 > The path he's taking now is the same one that Miller and Bill S.
 > took after starting out as very competent superhero style artists.
 > Eventually they got to the point where playing with patterns of
 > black and white became more seductive and artistically interesting
 > than drawing the same old Neal Adams/Steve Ditko type superhero
 > face.

Yeah, but artists like Miller, Sienkiewicz, and Mike Mignola arrived at
their current disctincitve styles by experimentation on their OWN.  Bill
Sienkiewicz, for one, forsook the comic book world for a while to study
art in Europe, so at least he actually understands what he's DOING when
he makes those "weird looking" pictures.  Frank Miller, when he developed
his Sin City style (which is more or less a natural progression from the
style of art in his earlier works like RONIN) didn't just say "Ooooh, I'm
gonna draw like XXXXXX now!!"  On the other hand, Jim Lee, for whom this
style is definately NOT a natural progression, is doing just that.  If he
wants to break out of his current style (which I'd have to agree has
somewhat stagnated now) I wish he'd do it by learning something about
art and adapting that new understanding to his work, rather than just
shifting gears to a ripoff of someone else's style.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Brainstorm: How DC will bring Superman back from the dead
Keywords: Ressurection Central
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.180142.26054@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>trying to remember who or what he is.  Of course, to completely revivify
>Supes would require a heavy hitter magick user like Dr. Fate or some such.

	The Spectre could do it.  He probably would, too.  Or at least he could
be convinced to.

Ravi
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: Re: Classic Death of Superman (Siegel and Moore) References
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:07:58 GMT

In article <168A61935.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>   As a public service, I am posting where one can find Jerry Siegel's
>"Death of Superman", and Alan Moore's "Death of Superman"
>   Jerry Siegel: Superman #149 (1961)
>          reprinted in "The Greatest Superman Stories Ever Told"
>            (should be available in paperback)
>   Alan Moore: "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow"
>               (Part 1)   Superman #423 (1986)
>               (Part 2)   Action Comics #583 (1986)
>          not reprinted elsewhere to my knowledge, though it damned well
>should be.
>

The Siegel Superman story was also reprinted in one of those tiny
"Blue Ribbon Digest" books that came out in the Eighties...at least
that's where I first read  it.

Did I mention to everyone here that Superman  $75 is commanding
$70 here in Toronto?

And  that one store is BUYING BACK issues for  $20 each?

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Mazzucchelli?
From: MATMNB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BRAZIL,Marcus N)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:23:27 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


In <1eg4dfINNmf2@rave.larc.nasa.gov> 128.155.44.15 writes:

> Whatever happened to Dave Mazzucchelli? His work on Batman: Year One and the 
> "Born Again" arc in Daredevil was outstanding. Just wondering if he is out of 
> the comics business or just somewhere I don't know about.

He writes, draws and self-publishes an annual over-size comic called "Rubber
Blanket Comics". Issue 2 appeared a couple of months ago and is highly
recommended for those with a taste for the non-mainstream.

........Marcus Brazil...........
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Morbius (was Strange Things Afoot in Marvel...)  
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:19:31 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <-qrq9ml@lynx.unm.edu>, djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young) writes: 
> In article <1992Nov20.055936.17757@ncsu.edu> stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) writes:

>>Morbius #5.........Well as if anyone cares, but I like this comic so far, I 
>>                   would like to hear anyone elses thoughts on this as well.

> Hey I Think that Morbius is a pretty darn good comic.  Howard Mackie is one
> of my favorite writers.  The art in this book has been great.  I think that
> Bret Blevins is awesome at drawing a dark and grim New York. The seen at the 
> end of #5 left me waiting.  The Basilisk is an interesting concept for a 
> villian. 

Hope this isn't a joke, but Mackie doesn't write Morbius, nor does
Blevins draw it.  Len Kaminski (sp) writes, Ron Wagner draws.
  But it's not a bad book at all. 

-Drizzt
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Subject: Re: Claremont Talk
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:40:02 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Actually, Claremont was slated to do a project for Image entitled Huntsman a
few months back.  Whilce Portacio would have handled the pencils.  However,
the story is that they couldn't get their schedules together and went on to
other projects (namely, Aliens vs. Predator and Wetworks).  Claremont has said
that he still wants to do the Image series though.
                                             -------Eric Sansoni
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From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Spoilers! (Re: Brainstorm: How DC will bring Superman back from the dead
Keywords: Ressurection Central
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:16:36 GMT

 d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang) writes:


|> from Mark Leyner, author of "Et Tu, Babe":
|> The Pentagon or some biotech company have stored some of Superman's
|> stem cells and will just grow a new one, 

Spoilers!



An upcoming DC miniseries, titled "The Boys from Smallville" will reveal
an insidious plot to use Supes cells to grow new Kal-Els and place them in
similar socio-economic positions as the 'original' Superman. This involves
finding Ma and Pa independant farmers, as well as a cast of LL characters.
This should not be as difficult as getting a time-travelling group of super-
powered youths from the future to encourage him to join their circle.



Not.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:49:09 GMT

ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:

>>Has anyone else seen the art from Jim Lee's upcoming character, to appear
>>in DARKER IMAGE (assuming Image still exists by then)?

>    I have.  My first reaction was:  Rip-off Artist!!!!  FM was the first
>mainstream artist to try this style and now Lee's gonna give a try.

Exactly. I've only seen a tiny picture of the character
but the first thing that I though was, "Jim Lee is trying
to do the Miller style".

Jed
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From: ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler)
Subject: Re: What does LSH stand for?!
Organization: Ghost in the Shell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:41:06 GMT

Lord of the Glenns (lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: In article <9210946.22@cuslm.ca> 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.) writes:
: >
: >	Would someone care to explain to me what LSH mean!!!!  
: 
: Legion of Supper-heroes
: 

Ah yes...those brave souls who risk their lives for dinner.

[snicker, snicker]
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From: terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: Blue Witch of Oz out from Dark Horse yet?
Organization: Appleton Public Library - Appleton, WI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:44:07 GMT
Keywords: Blue Witch of OZ

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:

>Quick question: Has "The Blue Witch of Oz" graphic novel (geez, I'm getting
>politically correct -- I'm getting uncomfortable with that word, too) been
>released yet?  It wasn't around my shoppe when I stopped by last week.

It was listed as "in stock" in the Books of Wonder catalog I got two
weeks ago.  I told my shop owner I'd give him a little while before I
went mail-order.  I hope 'twil be soon, but I haven't actually seen it
yet.  With all the publication delays, I hope Shanower's written another
one by now.

-- 
     Terry Dawson       | "Only connect!" | voice: (414) 832-6168
Appleton Public Library |                 |   fax: (414) 832-6422
  Appleton, WI 54911    |  -E.M. Forster  | terry@edsi.plexus.com