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From: dancer@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Looking for recipes
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:34:55 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Hello everyone,

   I'm looking for good, hearty recipes to help a fairly confirmed meat-eater 
(my husband) get accustomed to a less meaty diet. Specifically I'm looking 
for pasta, rice, or other starch based dishes. He is, however a bit picky. He 
will NOT eat any kind of pasta with cheese, he's not keen on cheese in general. 
And he very much despises foods that are of a single texture, specifically
he doesn't like mushy stuff, though if combined with a crunchy stuff he'll
usually eat it.

   Oh, one more thing, nothing with cooked or raw carrots.

Thanks in advance.

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From: marcotte@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian Marcotte)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Taco Bell
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:10:15 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep7.184610.9859@uoft02.utoledo.edu> vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
->In article <1992Sep7.160954.223@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
->(Andrew McMichael) writes:
->> Be aware that Taco Bell beans are made with lard, so there is
->> no vegetarian Mexican food to be had there.
->
->	That *was* true till barely a couple of years ago, but it *is not* 
->	true now. From your posting I can surmise that you haven't stepped 
->	inside a Taco Bell for a long time. Nowadays you can see their 
->	flyers advertising that they do not use lard and  that there is no 
->	MSG in any of their products.
->
->	Now you can have bean burrito and tostada as standard veg. items; you
->	can further ask them to substitute beans instead of meat in tacos or
->	taco salad or mexican pizza. I do it all the time, for the past 3
->	months atleast. If you ask them to withhold cheese, you can even have
->	*vegan* meals!!
->
->	This topic appears periodically on RFV; may be we should make a note
->	in FAQ, of all the fast food chains which serve "vegetarian" options.
->
->	Siva Prasad			vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu 


Good idea.

If everyone will send me what they know about the various restaurants,
I'll put it in.

BE SPECIFIC. Include the location of the restaurant. Make sure your
information is up to date, and accurate. Asking an employee may not be
enough. Find out whether it is store policy or company policy.  Keep
in mind that some store owners may not always do what their told by
the company.

I know there will be some controversy about this..... I'm going to add
both sides of the issue.

--
- Brian
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:33:24 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: VEGETARIAN DIET


>>3. Eat fruit only on an empty stomach. That means after arising or 3 hours
>>after any other meal.

>Which is silly.

No, it isn't.  If I eat fruit with other foods I usually get headaches
and other body aches.  This seems to conform to Fit For Life reasoning. 
Whomever wrote this does not understand Natural Hygeine sufficiently.

>>5. Eat only fruits and fruit juices until noon.

>???  Well, I hate breakfast too.

I started to do this and feel much better for it.

>>The food combining principles are based on extensive scientific research
>>on the nature of the digestive process, and the incompatibility of the
>>pH balance and enzyme mix in one's saliva and stomach to digest proteins
>>vs. carbohydrates.

>Not.  The Diamonds are considered crackpots among nutritionists and others
>in the scientific community for their opinions about food combining.  These
>are not educated people--they're people who are dangerous around a scientific

Most progressives are usually considered "crackpots" by people immersed
in mainstream thought, who do not question the things which our culture
takes for granted.  

Up until about 20 years ago, gays and lesbians were considered by the
vast majority of "experts" to be abnormal and pathological.

The analogy holds true.  Our medical culture and opinion, wholly
Western, is affected by (and affects) the status quo.  The two
perpetuate each other, which is why change is so slow.  Natural Hygiene
has been around many times longer than our mostly backwards medical
system.

(This will have to suffice for a real proof).

Dave
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: dogs in vege gardens
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:06:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Sep8.100649.6552
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep7.151245.10650@waikato.ac.nz>, susan@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
> Anyway, we built a nice raised garden (only slightly raised - 15cm)
> to aid drainage and all that. Next morning, it appeared to be exactly
> the right height for the neighbourhood dogs' toilet.
> 
> Susan

Since they are unlikely to be veggie dogs, it is definately not good
for your garden. 

The main question is, what are the neighborhood dogs doing in your 
yard anyway? Dogs who are free enough to go into other people's
yards are also free to run right into the street, which happens to 
be the number one way that dogs die. Even Ingrid Newkirk, head of 
PETA, who can be very extreme on animal issues, has written firmly
that dogs should be in fenced yards unless within sight and watchful
eyes of their owners (such as on a walk on a wooded trail).  The reason
she was so strong on this issue was that she was an animal control officer. 
I have a good friend of mine that was an animal control officer for 
10 years. I asked her why she quit. She said, "I got tired of scraping
up dogs and cats off the pavement."

So what I would suggest is to return the dogs to their owners with the 
request that they put up a fenced area for them (offer to help put it
up). If that doesn't work, call the police and have the dog picked up
(which usually shocks the owner into action: if it doesn't the dog is
probably better off in a new home). If you have a dog yourself, organize
or go to dog training classes- most experienced teachers not only teach
sit, stay, but also dog ownership responsibility. Encourage those
in your neighborhood to come along. Remember: a loose dog also usually
means more unwanted puppies in the world.

If all else fails: put a fence around the garden. 

-Mary Howard
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Millet Casserole recipe
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:20:13 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

A while back somebody (was it you, Drew Corrigan?) asked for millet recipes.
Today I found a new vegetarian magazine which has an article on grain cookery,
including a blurb about millet and 3 millet recipes.

The blurb says: "Millet originated in Asia and is a good source of protein and
B vitamins.  Used extensively as bird feed, millet is growing in popularity for
human consumption because it tastes sweet, cooks quickly, has high nutritional
value and is versatile."

So here's one of the recipes from the Autumn 1992 issue of Vegetarian Gourmet
magazine. I haven't made it, so if you try it out, please let me know what it's
like.


MILLET CASSEROLE

"A simple main dish packed with good nutrition!"

        3 cups millet, uncooked
        1 Tbsp corn oil
        2 medium onions, thinly sliced
        3 stalks celery, thinly sliced
        1 cup chickpeas, cooked
        5 cups water
        1 tsp sea salt
        2 cups broccoli, chopped
        watercress or parsley, minced, for garnish

Rinse and drain millet.

Dry roast millet in a heavy skillet for 6 minutes, stirring constantly, until
the millet gives off a nut-like fragrance.  Remove from heat.

Heat oil in a large saucepan over medium heat and saute onions for 2 minutes.
Add celery and saute for 5 minutes, stirring often.  Add chickpeas, water and
salt.  Bring to a boil.

Stir in millet and return to a boil.  Reduce heat, cover and simmer for 20
minutes.  Then add broccoli and continue to cook for 5 minutes.

While mixture is hot, press firmly into a 9" cake pan.  Sprinkle with garnish,
cut into squares and serve.

Per serving: 228 calories, 8 g protein, 227 mg sodium, 44 g carbohydrates, 4 g
fat, 0 mg cholesterol, 57 mg calcium.
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Christine Code                 *
                               *  "A bear, however hard he tries,
Vancouver, B.C, CANADA         *   Grows tubby without exercise."
Christine_Code@MindLink.bc.ca  *                   -A.A. Milne
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: butteris@dingus.ssc.gov
Subject: VEGAN: James' "Dirty Rice" 
Keywords: rice, vegan
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:46:52 GMT


I was in the mood for some rice last night and was bored with the same old  
recipes, so I made this up. :+) It is not a true dirty rice, but it tastes  
good anyway. Enjoy.

James' Dirty Rice

Ingredients:
1/2 Cup Basmati, Jasmine, or Texmati Rice 
1 Cup Water
1 Knorr Vegetarian Boullion Cube (sorta rectangular though)
2 Tbsp Dried or freshly chopped Parsley
2 Tbsp Dried or freshly chopped Thyme
1/2 Tsp Lemon Juice

Preperation:
In a small covered pot, mix all ingredients except the rice. Bring to a  
boil. Reduce heat to lowest setting. Add rice. Cover and simmer for 15-20  
minutes. Rice will "sticky" to touch  but will not form clumps. Stir rice  
before serving. Serves one hungry person. 

Jamey B @ SSC
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason)
Subject: Re: Moral Question
Keywords: Moral Question
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.171221.14543@eng.ufl.edu> kwc@eng.ufl.edu (Ken Colson) writes:
>
>Can a vegetarian catch and release fish in all good faith?  Can someone be a vegetarian
>fisherperson?  On thing I do know is that I would not keep the fish and let my in-laws eat them.
>
>This has me wondering.
>

I grew up in fishing land.  I went fishing all the time
with friends and family and have never caught a fish since
I refuse to bait my line.  Still, those fishing trips were
a lot of fun.  Mostly the beer.
Anyway, I have a problem with the actual *catching* of the
fish since it tends to involve a metal thing through the
roof of the mouth.  Try to imagine it.

So I would say yes, you can be a veggi fisherperson.  Just
don't catch any fish!


peace,


Peter

-- 
Peter Mason
masonp@nukie.physics.mcmaster.ca
Hamilton, Ontario (ack! pfffthpt!), Canada
-displaced Nova Scotian
From: James.MacGregor@ttlg.UUCP (James MacGregor)
Sender: postmaster@ttlg.UUCP
From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: mold on Maple syrup
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:03:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1548
Distribution: usa
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

mcbride@rust.zso.dec.com (Melinda McBride) writes:
>> In article <secxZk600WBMA6wkkk@andrew.cmu.edu> Brenda Graham <bg0s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>> Can anyone tell me whether the substance which has grown on the surface
>>> of my unrefrigerated maple syrup 
>>> is un harmful mold that can be skimmed off or is something
>>> that deserves more respect (and distance).

>  dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>> My own take on it is that I don't even want to take the chance
>> of using it; better safe than sorry.  I fully admit this may
>> be excessively scrupulous and wasteful of me, but...


> Mr. Dyer's response follows the prudent adage "When in doubt, throw it out."
> However in this case, I'm sure I've
> read that it is save to use maple syrup that's gotten moldy if you skim
> the mold off and then boil the syrup.

First, a personal opinion: I wouldn't worry about it. I'd even feed
it to friends without bothering to mention it. But I'm not a nice man.

However.

Many molds (in fact, many fungi) produce interesting toxic substances. The
danger is more likely to be a carcinogen (like aflatoxin) than it is a
poison. Anything that grows cheerfully on maple syrup is entirely unlikely
to be happy in your digestive system, so an infectious food poisoning is
not a risk. An allergy to molds and their products might be.


> Call your local county extension agent's office.  They have
> lots of information about food preservation, safety, and storage.

But _nobody_ has spent the necessary time to analyze the products of all
the various molds, even assuming the county agent will be able to ID the
one you're growing. Consider how long nitrates and nitrites were pervasive
before the research that introduced us all to nitrosamines. We know that
some fungi produce substances that are dangerous only over the long term,
we don't necessarily know every fungi, or where they're likely to be growing.


> I think it's better to err on the side of safety.

This is a Good Idea. On the other hand, I eat wild mushrooms and blue
cheese and ride motorcycles, so a little mold on my maple syrup wouldn't
bother me at all. YMMV. You decide.



Martin Golding   | If there were a God,
   DoD #236      |  cocoa butter would be monounsaturated.
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin
From: bayomi@bldghsc.lan1.umanitoba.ca (Dennis Bayomi)
Subject: Farley Mowat's Sea of Slaughter
Organization: Computer Department, Medicine, Univ. of Manitoba
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:49:48 GMT

For those of you who can tune in to CBC-TV  (the Canadian national TV 
network) at 8:00 PM CDT, the 2-hour Nature of Things special "Sea of 
Slaughter" will be broadcast. This program is hosted by Farley Mowat and 
based on his book "Sea of Slaughter". 

A year ago to this day I watched it and it has made all the difference. Tell 
your non-vegetarian friends to watch - it may make a difference to them too !

Cheers,
   Dennis
   Winnipeg
From: aa470@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyn Bell-Moores)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: grapefruit
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:54:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa470@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyn Bell-Moores)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eln411d@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr BG Lawrence) says:

>Hello. Does anyone know what to do with a tree
>full of perfectly ripe grapefruit?  Adding honey or
>other sweeteners seems to me to be a cop-out since
>it really means I'll be eating/drinking it for 
>the taste of the sweetener.  What I wouldn't
>mind knowing is of some other fruit/veg I could
>add that would decrease the bitterness of the 
>grapefruit.      Cheers, Ben.
>
>Dept of Elec & Comp Sys Eng
>Monash Uni Clayton
>Vic Australia.
>

I've found that removing the white membrane of the grapefruit is
the most consistant and effectual way to remove 90% of the
bitterness of grapefruit.  I eat it in sections, like an orange.
 
Of course, with the membranes removed, I put the grapefruit
sections in a bowl first.  Those little devils can get _juicy_.
:)
 
Cyn
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarian: I don't like vegetables.
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:44:58 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

drmellen@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dewayne Mellen) writes:

>I am a meat eater who would like to cut down on the meat (or quit
>eating it) but I don't like veggies that much and am worried that I
>would get borred with a vegi diet.  What I was wondering is Could
>somebody post some recipes to help me?? PLEASE??

I've been vegetarian for 22 years, and I too hate vegetables.  Well, certainly
vegetables the way the average meat-eater prepares them.  I can't STAND plain
steamed/boiled vegetables more than once a week.  Casseroles, pastas, Indian
cuisine, etc. . . . they're my staples.


--
Warwick
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Do vega or vegi eat fries in McDonald or Kentucky?
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:17:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: fries

In article <1992Sep7.160954.223@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael) writes:
>-->
>What I usually try to do is convince my
>friends to go to a taco bell, or some place like that.  Especially if it
>is a meal time, because fries don't make a good meal.  Besides, I'd rather
>support a restauraunt that offers veg. meals, not just fries, which are the
>junk of junk food.
>-->
>
>
>Be aware that Taco Bell beans are made with lard, so there is
>no vegetarian Mexican food to be had there.
>
>
>
>

Taco Bell in California DOES NOT USE LARD.

rf
From: mgraham@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Maggie Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Unwanted butter (was Re: Meatless vs No meat products)
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:46:53 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <1992Sep8.183611.18484@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.163918.15846@src.honeywell.com> spratt@src.honeywell.com (Steve Pratt) writes:
>>
>>The butter which came on the side with my bread caught me off guard,
>>however.  But I said to myself, "that's ok, I just won't use it, and
>>they'll just reuse it."  When the bus-person came to clear my dishes, I was
>>disconcerted to see her throw my bread plate, along with two pats of butter
>>into the dirty dish tub with everything else.
>>
>
>My response comes from working in restaurants and catering - one
>reason to toss the butter pats is that it is not sanitary to reuse
>them.  One would re-use them at home, but after it has been
>unrefridgerted and on your plate while you were eating, would you
>want to be the next person to be served that very same pat of butter?
>
>Another reason, well, factor, is that restaurants and caterers throw
>away a lot of food.  The reasons are complex - usually chef-owned and
>run places are the most meticulous about extending the useability of
>what they've got in stock, but high volume organizations mass produce
>and mass waste.  
>
>So, I think we can make ethical choices about WHERE we eat when we
>eat out, and we can certainly be ethical at home, but I think it's a
>complex issue to extend our home-ethics into the complicated world of
>eating out!
>
>
>-- 
>Leslie Bishko
>leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu

Another reason is that may be *illegal* in some states to reuse cream,
butter, etc from one patron to another. Some such laws went into 
effect in the US after the Tylenol poisoning. The premise is that the
restaurant does not know if you have added any nasties (eg cyanide)
to the food. And before you say "but it is still wrapped!", realize
it is quite easy to comprimise the wrapper on those little individual
portion thingies. And many people would not even notice if the 
packaging had a tiny hole in it. Basically: the sick  people 
of this planet will find a way to hurt others if they just put their 
minds to it. And to be quite honest, I wouldn't condemn the owners
of the restaurant: I'd thank them for worrying about my safety.
(And order with out butter!) :) :) for the humor impaired...


maggie.

mgraham@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: "Meatloaf" recipe
Keywords: Mmmmm .... good!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:00:59 GMT


This is a great Meatless Loaf recipe which I have made many times. It's
originally from Vegetarian Times, but I've made some changes. Try it
as soon as you can!


MEATLESS LOAF
============

2 tbs. sunflower oil
2 medium onions, chopped
4 1/2 oz. TVP granules
1 cup hot water or vegetable stock
1 1/2 cups breadcrumbs
1/2 tbs. mixed herbs (such as parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme)
1 tbs. freshly chopped parsley
2 cloves crushed garlic
1 egg, beaten (or egg replacer)
2 tbs. soy sauce
salt and pepper to taste

Sauce:
2 16 oz. cans of chopped tomatoes
1 6 oz. can tomato paste
salt and pepper to taste


Preheat oven to 350 degrees. In a large saucepan, heat oil and saute
onions until lightly browned.  Add the TVP mince, stir and cook for
two minutes.  Pour the hot water or stock over the saute and simmer
for four minutes.

In a separate bowl, mix the breadcrumbs, herbs and garlic together with
one cup cold water.  Stir in the egg and leave to one side for ten
minutes.

Combine the cooked TVP mince with the breadcrumbs mixture, then add the
soy sauce.  Stir well and season to taste.  Using your hands, shape
the mixture into an oval mound and place it in the center of a large
baking dish, leaving plenty of space all around for the tomato sauce
to run.

Heat the tomatoes, tomato paste and seasoning in a small saucepan, 
and pour over the loaf, then bake for one hour.  Serves 6.



Jean Reese
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: vchk@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (Vidya Chakaravrthi)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Request Recipe - Rice
Keywords: Vegetable Rice
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:17:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Dear Netters,

	I would like to know some Vegetable Rice recipies. Could somebody post it !

		Thanx in advance.

Vidya Chakaravarthi
email : vchk@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: cush@uh.msc.edu (R. Cushing Hamlen)
Subject: looking for source for organic corn
Reply-To: cush@msc.edu
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:55:04 GMT

I am having great trouble locating a source of organic whole-kernel corn (dried).

Anyone out there in netland know of a mail-order source of such in the US?

(actually, I cannot even find non-organic whole corn...plenty of popcorn, but I am
not sure if this would work well for what I want it for: grinding to cornmeal and
course-ground into multi-grain cereal)

Please e-mail responses.

Thanks!

cush@msc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree)
Subject: Re: Taco Bell - not so fast, there
Reply-To: crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:14:18 GMT


In article <1992Sep7.184610.9859@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
|>From: vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
|>Subject: Taco Bell
|>Date: 7 Sep 92 18:46:10 EST
|>Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services
|>
|>	That *was* true till barely a couple of years ago, but it *is not* 
|>	true now. From your posting I can surmise that you haven't stepped 
|>	inside a Taco Bell for a long time. 

I have stepped into a Taco Bell recently - off the highway in Pueblo, CO
about a month ago - to order myself a tasty bean burrito.  But, alack!,
upon inquiry to the oh-so-friendly counter attendant it was revealed to
me that - URP! - those refriend beans ain't vegetarian!  

I guess it all depends on your individual Taco Hell.

- alyson

--

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even 
his enemy from oppression.                 - Thomas Paine