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From: scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I HATE BARCLAY (Ream of Fear SPOILER)
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:13:18 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <1992Sep28.165015.18249@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
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> I got totally bored and exasparated watching Reg Barclay whine and whimper
> and act like a neurotic boob for a whole hour. I think that pretty much
> sums up Realm Of Fear.
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Why? There really _are_ people with problems. I'm not exactly a
fan of the Barclay character, but I thought the show was well
done, well acted, and the story was credible and interesting.

> He sees something in the transporter beam but doesn't want to talk about it
> because he thinks he's just going nuts. What a useless crew member! You
> can't trust him, he can't trust himself, and no competent organization would
> keep somebody like that very long. I mean, this is the Woody Allen of the
> 24th century. I'm not sure that Woody Allen is as neurotic as this guy.
> 

You're all wet! First, it seems quite reasonable that one may not
correctly recognize objects during the transporting process. I
don't pretend to know much about it, but the body is supposedly
not completely intact. What you see may not be interpreted
properly. Then, Barclay's state of mind may have exacerbated the
problem.

Why would you assume that because he had the phobia about
transporting that he would be a useless crew member? It seemed
clear that Geordi, et al, found his technical competence
sufficient to consider him a valuable member of the team. I would
imagine that there's a good bit more to serving on a star ship
than feeling comfortable with transporting.

> As for the story, four big worms in the transporter beam turn out to be the
> missing crew members of the science vessel, stuck in transport. Why do they
> look like worms? 
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See above.

> And there is yet another parasitic lifeform that threatens to infect the
> world.
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So what's your point here?  At what point in the exploration of
the galaxy (or the small portion the Federation has explored) do
you suggest that the discovery of parasitic life forms should
cease?

OK, so they can overdo a theme every once in a while. On TOS, I
believe it was the second season where they sort of overdid the
notion of worlds in parallel development. I seem to remember
Nimoy commenting on that.

> This was a 3 on a scale of 10. I guess shows like this really benefit from
> The Cost Of Living. It keeps them off the bottom.
> 
> Larry
> 

That's fair.  I would give it a slightly higher mark, but then,
that's my opinion.

    best,
      ...terry
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG movie ???
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:39:18 GMT

shigsch@cup.portal.com (Shirley Gillard Schneckloth) writes:

>	As much as I enjoy Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard, I would prefer 
>if he were 'premoted'o to admiral, left the show and came back for a few guest
>appearances.
>	If Will Riker were then made captain, who do you think would be his
>first officer? If Data were promoted, who would replace him as Chief Operation
>Officer? Worf -- who would be Chief of Security? Geordi -- who would be Cheif 
>Engineer?
>	O'Brien and Keiko are leaving for DS9 -- will someone become the 
>regular Transporter Chief?
>	There could be many new openings and room for new characters that 
>could bring new stories to the show. Could TNG keep going beyond season 7?


I'm sure the either Ensign Ro or a new character would replace Data..
Data is Third-in-command of the ship, so he would be the logical choice
for Number One...however, Commander Shelby?????
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From: davidhe@ac.dal.ca
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Subject: Realm o' Fear and next week's Troi episode
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:36:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

This week's Barclay episode wasn't as good as I'd hoped, but next week's looks
worse.  The only way I think it can be saved is if Troi actually "pays the
ultimate price" and dies.



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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:46:59 -0400 
From: Maulik Harish Shah <msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Hmmmmmm................

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR TIMES ARROW II

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Etc.

I just caught TA2, and I went back and read a lot of what people said. I
agree- it wasn't that good. It had some good ideas though. I have the
same gripes that everyone else had- how did piccard now how to send a
binary message (and a complicated one at that)  via data,  how did the
crew get clothes and stuff, etc.
	But I noticed something that I haven't heard (yet). Sorry if I'm
repeating somehthing that someone else said. BUT, at the end, when Worf
and Riker are debating on whether to fire or not, Worf says "We can't
find out if Clemens made it intact or not" (or something roughly
equivalent)
	Yes they could have! They could have read his books!!
	If clemens didn't make it back, he obviosuly couldn't have written his books.
 	IMHO.

	Comments welcome.
				-Mo

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Holly: Better to have loved and lost than to listen to an album
	by Olivia Newton John.
Lister: Why?
Holly:  Well, anything's better than listening to an album by Olivia 
	Newton-John.
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From: knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Re: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:14:39 GMT

In <1992Sep30.233115.722@altair.selu.edu> scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper) writes:
[somewhat repetitive example of a paradox]
>go back ...    Ridiculous, isn't it?  Heinlein wrote one of the
>most tortured scenarios of this sort I ever read. I wish I could
>find it again. I can't even remember the name of the story.

I debated for a while whether to send this in E-mail or post, but the story
mentioned above is one that _everyone_ ought to read (IMHO), so I'll post
the reference:

"By His Bootstraps" by Robert Heinlein, first copyright 1941.  The version
I have here is included in _The Meance From Earth_, which includes several
other of Heinlein's best short stories.

Rob
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From: rbruce@robocomp.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rob Bruce)
Subject: Re: Holodeck scheduling
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.151744.5504@cs.brown.edu>, dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich) writes:
|> Disclaimer:
|> 
|> Forgive me if I break any standing rules, show my ignorance for the
|> finer details of TNG, or bring up an old topic... I'm new to the
|> group, and just now getting into TNG.
|> 
|> Question:
|> 
|> Has there ever been a show where more than one person wanted to use
|> a holodeck at the same time?  I've never seen this... it seems that
|> the holodecks are empty always, until the main character wants to
|> use it.  Has anyone ever gone to the holodeck and found it occupied
|> so they had to come back later?
|> 
|> Since the show is realistic enough to have people wait for the turbo
|> lift, and to have extra people board the turbo lift once people are 
|> already on it, I would think they would add the same realism of use
|> to the holo decks.
|> 
|> In addition... it always seems that when the crew needs to find 
|> someone who is in the holo deck, they can just walk right in.  Why
|> don't more crew members accidently disrupt their crewmates' fantasies?
|> 
|> -David V.
|>  dwv@cs.brown.edu
|> 

This is a bit like asking why characters in a show never have 
to excuse themselves to go to the bathroom. It's an assumed 
thing that doesn't need to be worried about. The show is for 
entertainment purposes, it's not a documentary.

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From: uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler)
Subject: Re: You didn't get my message, did you?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:18:54 GMT

IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:

>In article <uplink.717906241@cwis>, uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler)
>says:
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>>        ENOUGH WITH THE @#$%@#$ SPOILERS!  ENOUGH!  ENOUGH!  ENOUGH!

>Why?  This IS ras.current, they belong here.  And TAII (and by default
>TAI) is a current topic.

>Nick

BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF SPOILERS, GOD DAMN IT!  AND ONLY MY OPINION COUNTS!!!!
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: S.O.S. signal (Really!  I mean it!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:58:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	Ah, yes, paradox.  What a miserable concept.  I rather prefer to
look at time travel (this'll get me in trouble here) like it was done in
Doctor Who -- usually.  In most cases, the future the Doctor came from 
was/is a direct result of the adventure he has in the past.
	To put it in ST terms, look at Star Trek IV, where Scotty gives
that manufacturer the formula to (help me here) glassteel(?).  Bones asks
something like "But aren't we changing history?", to which Scotty replies
"Mebbe, but how do we know he didna invent the stuff?"  And the crew
returns to a future, their present, paradox-free.
	Why must time be so inflexible as to disallow time travel?  IOW, 
why can't the view of today be based on a past where time travelers have
interferred?
	Yeah, it seems far fetched that no one would tamper with the 
important stuff in history, but...

		Do we know for certain who shot JFK?
			King Rat signing off!!!
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
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Subject: Data's Head deterioration not affecting anything Explained!
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:52:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep28.045209.17346
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  The metal used in the metal bits of Data's head (the only parts, apparently,
  to deteriorate, unlike the plastics which must certainly make up the bulk
  of Data's head) acts very strangely when it decays:  It breaks down into
  several odd gases and common iron.  Data (having this info, of course) sim-
  ply misinterpreted his tricorder reading when he checked the deterioration
  percentage; the iron he detected was from the filing Picard had left, not
  from decay.  Hence, there was no trouble with Data's head but some dirt.

  Okay:  Maybe not, but I thought I'd at least *try*. ;)
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: defense of time's arr
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:07:37 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.3208.11447@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
 writes:
>
>I totally agree.  I say ENJOY the show and not get so caught up in the
>technicalities.  People like Atsushu (sp?) spoil the show for THEMSELVES
>if they constantly hate them.  

The people who spoil the show are the producers, who stifle innovation 
with their script guidelines, present rehash after rehash as "new" episodes,
endorse atrocities like "Cost of Living", give recurring status to awful 
characters like Alexander and Lwaxana, eschew long-term character development 
and continuity in exchange for gimmicks, and reduce human issues to
forced, sledge-hammer archetypes rather than subtlely crafted, 
three-dimensional characters that come alive by their own verisimilitude.

"Enjoying a show" is not something to do by default. A show must earn it
(as starters, by avoiding each of the points above).


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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:19:51 GMT

I am not an expert on the military, but this sounds logical...Could he have
been a non-comissioned officer that has just recently become a comissioned
officer? Or is that unheard of...In such a case does one start at the bottom
of the ladder or keep some kind of rank for previous time served?

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From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON)
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear : Space Worms???
Summary: My opinion
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:07:28 GMT

Netters,
    Didn't someone say that a person's perceptions are incredibly distorted 
in the matter stream?? I think it might have been Riker.....
    That could possibly explain why the crewmembers looked like "space 
worms".
   As for the Troi "tapping thing", I am of the opinion that she in effect 
gave Barclay a placebo.

DMK
Acadia University, N.S., Canada.
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From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: TA II question--spoiler
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:59:21 GMT


  ... see below!





















































In article <92268.222923PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> What I want to know is, why did the rest of Data's body get transported back
|> perfectly to the 24th century but his head got left behind?  Did he have a
|> loose screw or something?  Or wasn't he operating that snake-cane correctly?

I've watched this a few times now and it seems to me that Data was holding
the cane against his body when the vortex opened.  The force of the vortex
propelled his head one way and his body the other (thru the vortex). 
After watching *VERY* closely for a third time I believe that previous
openings of the vortex were done with the cane held at a distance and/or
stuck in the ground.

Of course, my dad's observation probably best explains why Data's head
went flying when the vortex opened.  He said "because it's in the script".
A phrase I tend to use often to "explain the unexplainable" on most any TV
show (eg. why didn't Rambo die after being shot by 20 machine guns?).

My opinions only... take them for what they're worth.
Ron
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Question about TNG Vidiot's Guide
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <TRI.92Oct3222807@supergirl.hut.fi> Timo.Rinne@hut.fi writes:
<Is version 5.09 of the Program Guide final version considering the
<fifth season and is there anywhere available troff source code of this
<version? In ftp.coe.montana.edu there is troff code for version 5.08
<and patches for 5.09, but since diffs seems to be more about 1.4M, I'd
<like to have complete set of sources.

There is a minor 5.10 release that I needed to do before the U.K. printed
release was done.

The 5.09 release is large because it contains EPS pictures for the guide.
So, getting the 5.08 source and the 5.09 patches will get you up-to-date.

But, there is a major change in the guide that adds a nice new feature on
every page.  Because of that, I suggest that you wait until I get the first
release of 6.00 out in a couple of weeks.  Then you can print the whole
guide at that time.
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From: homanme@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re:OBrien's Rank-Solution?
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:12:36 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati


Okay try this.
I am familiar with the military so I'll tell you what I know.

Miles O'Brien is referred to as chief.  There can only be one chief 
on a ship, just like a naval vessel.  It is the highest ranking 
enlisted rank possible (CPO).  He is is generally treated as an 
equal (by experience) when around commissioned officers.

If he was considered an officer at any time, it could have been a 
brevet (temporary so as to fit the circumstances) officer.
He is called Chief O'Brien more than once.  
For the record He is an NCO, not a non-com( means non-combatant).
As far as the *musical pips* , a mistake in continuity. 
The promotion talked about is a *position* promotion, not rank.
He is going from Transporter chief to Chief Operations Officer.
Warrant officer means that they have a warrant rather than a 
commission. All warrant officer are addressed as *MISTER*.
Never as sir, or by a rank. Mister is a title. slightly 
different than Riker's use of Mister, which is actually rather
derogatory to another officer.


If anything, there are patterns to follow in present day navy.
try going by that.



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From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: Data's Head deterioration not affecting anything Explained!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:27:34 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep30.194424.29740@axis.dsg.ti.com>  rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck) writes:
>In article <30SEP199206410479@gergo.tamu.edu>, dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:
>|> }In article <1992Sep28.123642.149830@watson.ibm.com>, rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
>|> }>    Ok...here's the *REAL* question.  Why didn't Data see the iron filing
>|> }> when he was examining his head in the first place on TA I?  I just watched
>|> }> it again and he does have that flap in the back of his head open...there
>|> }> is simply NO WAY that Data (being 100% familiar with his own layout) should
>|> }> have missed it.
>|>
>

[ TONS of stuff deleted ]

>
>Now, why wasn't the iron filing found when Data was examining the head?
>Probably because nobody connected it up to the computer to run diagnostics
>(much less provide any power source at all).  Plus, from what we saw of the
>head examination, Data never opened the "rear panel".  In fact (IMHO) he
>probably never got to complete his examination of the head before being
>transported back to the 19th century.
>

   Nope...watch TA I again...Data has the rear panel open during his
work on the head on the Enterprise.  He takes the "12% decomposition"
reading from this this within panel.  My WHOLE point in the original post
was that Data had the same view of his head in TA I that Geordi had it TA II,
yet he failed to see the iron filing.  This is VERY unbelievable, even if
he had never looked at his head from the outside. :-)


>The iron filing *had* to be there the entire time as it was placed in the
>head back in the 1900's by Picard.  But, the time travel stuff has been
>beat to death for the past few weeks so I won't rehash on that.
>
   Agreed.


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Mistake in Borg episode
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:52:46 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, spainhou@cs.scarolina.edu (Keith Spainhour) writes:
>roy@ug.cs.dal.ca (David Roy) writes:
>
>
>>I have noticed a small error in the episode where the Borg capture and
>>assimilate Capt. Picard.  The first words Picard (as Locutus) says is
>>	"I am Locutus of Borg...."
>

  I'm certainly confused about Locutus - at first it seemed that
Locutus was the name to identify Picard's Borgified body.  Then, I'm
certain I heard either Bev or Data say that "cutting the link to
Locutus could prove fatal".  So does this mean that Locutus is
the name of the Borg collective conciousness - ie the Borg ship,
being one single mind has it's own single identity - Locutus.
  I think this one will run and run ....

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