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From: tim@gold.iss.nus.sg (Tim Poston)
Newsgroups: alt.whine,alt.tasteless
Subject: Awww, who ate my live-maggot sandwiches?
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:28:32 GMT
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Originator: tim@gold

I just turned around, and they were GGGOOONNNE!!!!!!!
Everybody knows I'm generous with my food,
but I'd been specially raising those maggots
on politicians' brains, and that's a Scarce Resource!!
Renewable ---
you wouldn't catch me raising maggots on fossil fuels ---
but terribly, awesomely, pitiably Scarce.

It will take me DDAAAYYYS to get more,
before I can even *start* a new batch.

I'd been so looking forward to those sandwiches,
the bread just nicely moldy,
and EVERYTHING!!!!

Now they're GGGOOONNNE!!!!!!!

Look, make nice.
Whoever ate them,
just barf them up, OK?
I'll strain them through this bit of muslin,
to get back a nice consistency,
we can make NEW sandwiches with the rest of the bread,
and SHARE!

Pretty please oh go on you might...

                                       Tim



[And what about my "Vache Qui Chie" butter?  Hunh?]
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: rprimmer@home.webo.dg.com (Bob Primmer)
Subject: Looking for Griffen(sp?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:05:11
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.

Please e-mail me -- I've a question I was hoping you could answer.

Thanks!

- Bob

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From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Down again
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:51:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland





AARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our local newsserver is down again. We have not received any new articles
from outside our organization for a couple of days now...
Once have got used to reading articles, it is a real pain when you CANNOT
read them....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

(argh)


AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGH
GHGHGHHGREQHGHWQWHHHHQHWWHHHHAHAHAHAHRHARHRAHRHRHAHRHAHRAHRHAHRAHR
ARHAHRAHRHRAHRHAHRHARHHARHRAHRAHHAHQHAHHFHAHGHAHGAHGAHGAHHHAHAHGTHAGHH!!!!!
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From: e_alsberg@csc32.enet.dec.com (Ed Alsberg)
Newsgroups: alt.whine,alt.tasteless
Subject: Re: Awww, who ate my live-maggot sandwiches?
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: e_alsberg@csc32.enet.dec.com (Ed Alsberg)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado


Reminds me of another HS story.  We found a seriously maggot infested
dead bird out in the field.  We brought it into History, our class after
lunch, and placed it discreetly in Ms Grillo's (Little Alice, a 108 year
old wretch, nieve as hell) desk drawer.
Well, she never did look in the drawer that day.  It was gone the next day.
We never did hear who/when it was found.
From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Subject: Re: pugwash
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:32:21 GMT
	<1992Nov21.194726.12246@comp.lancs.ac.uk>
	<IDF.92Nov21210436@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov22.043538.5246@osf.org>
Followup-To: alt.org.pugwash
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham


 On 22 Nov 92, David Brooks wrote

> Right.  There never were such characters.  It *really* was banned because
> one of the main characters was called Willy.

> And why was Tom always smiling?


 Which reminds me, though I can't remember the truth of it, of another
character: Roger the cabin boy.

 Quite how Captain Pugwash managed to find such mythological status is
a mystery.  Or is it something about seamen that brings up these
oral delights?  I should add that innocence is bliss...



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Cheers,

	Ian

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Univ. of Birmingham, UK, B15 2TT
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
From: fraser@europarc.xerox.com (Quentin Stafford-Fraser)
Subject: Re: pugwash
Followup-To: alt.org.pugwash
Organization: Xerox EuroPARC, Cambridge, UK
	<1992Nov21.194726.12246@comp.lancs.ac.uk>
	<IDF.92Nov21210436@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov22.043538.5246@osf.org>
	<IDF.92Nov22223221@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:46:30


I think the loss of Captain Pugwash is very sad. I am a little biased,
maybe, because John Ryan, who created him, is a cousin of mine.  There were
scurrilous rumours about the meanings of names etc, which were totally
unfounded and have since been apologised for, but of course the general
public never get to hear about that.  Once you put an idea into people's
heads, you can't get rid of it, so the chances of him ever reappearing are
quit slim.

John, who is basically retired now, still writes wonderful children's
books.

Quentin

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From: porten@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey  Porten)
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Subject: Great!
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:17:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Good to see the newsgroup up and running!  

For all of you folks who showed up to talk about Captain Pugwash, sorry,
that's not what we're about.  (We considered adopting him as an unofficial
logo a few years ago, but then someone told us about the whole Seaman
Stains bit.)  

I have some of our literature on disk, and I'll be posting it here to
give people an idea of what it is we do.  In the meantime, feel free
to ask questions.

Anyone care to post a summary of the goings-on at the Middlebury Conference
this past weekend?  (Sorry I couldn't make it.)

Jeff Porten
Chapter Advisory Council Co-Chair 
(Elections in January!)



--
Jeff Porten, Annenberg School for Communication, UPenn
             Graduate Group in American Civilization, UPenn

As per usual, my opinions are my own, not Penn's, Pugwash's, or anyone else's.
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
From: Jeff.Wang@launchpad.unc.edu (Jeff Wang)
Subject: pugwash
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:09:51 GMT

The PugWash organization is  (as far as I know) a organization that
promotes scientific understanding and also scientific ethics.  There are 3
subgroups of this that I know of, the Student Pugwash (with chapters in
MIT, Cornell, UCBerkeley, Carnegie Mellon, upenn, etc.), international
Pugwash, for those not in the US, and Senior Pugwash, for those that have
already graduated.  The main headquarters is in Washington DC some whre,
and they have an informational line at 1-800-WOW-A-PUG.  My local chapter
does nothing but talk about stupid political issues that have nothing to
do with anything else.  So I don't go very often.

jw

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From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Subject: Re: pugwash
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:04:36 GMT
	<1992Nov21.181844.13982@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
	<1992Nov21.194726.12246@comp.lancs.ac.uk>
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham


 On 21 Nov 92, Dave Stow wrote

> I thought it was going to be a group celebrating the now sadly lost 
> Captain Pugwash animated series that used to run here in the UK many many
> years ago...

> Rumour has it that it was banned when someone finally spotted that two of
> the main characters were called master-bates and seamen staines... (read it
> out loud if you don't get it...!)

 Alas, filed under urbanis folkloris.

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Cheers,

	Ian

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From: daves@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Dave Stow)
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Subject: Re: pugwash
Keywords: pugwash
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:47:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Nov21.181844.13982@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> wand@ccs.northeastern.edu (Mitchell Wand) writes:
>There used to be a series of conferences involving scientists, writers, other
>academics, etc., trying to work for world peace.  They were called the Pugwash
>Conferences, because the first (I think) was held in Pugwash (Nova Scotia).

Ah! All becomes crystal... 

I thought it was going to be a group celebrating the now sadly lost 
Captain Pugwash animated series that used to run here in the UK many many
years ago...

Rumour has it that it was banned when someone finally spotted that two of
the main characters were called master-bates and seamen staines... (read it
out loud if you don't get it...!)

I guess nothing to do with this then...?

:-))

Dave

	(Obviosuly these are my opinions - who else would have 'em?!)
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From: lancer@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Subject: welcome to alt.org.pugwash
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:28:54
Organization: ZikZak Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: realsoon.wpi.edu


About Pugwash:

Pugwash is an international organization founded by and dedicated to the
ideals of Albert Einstein and Bertrand Russell in relation to the creation
of rational technology policy.  Student Pugwash USA has chapters in many 
High Schools and Universities, and there are similar organizations for
educational chapters in other countries.  Senior Pugwash is a similar
group serving the scientific community worldwide.

At the 1992 Student Pugwash USA Chapter Organizing Workshop, it was
decided, and thus voted, that a UseNet newsgroup should be created for
discussion of Pugwash related topics.  It was further decided that I
should try to create this newsgroup.

Pugwash believes that people will make proper decisions if they think about
the social implications of their actions.  To this end, Pugwash suggests
open discussion about ethical concerns without excluding people for a supposed
lack of knowledge on their part.

About the alt.pugwash newsgroup:

It is a forum for people to bring up and discuss a wide variety of
Science, Society, and Technology issues.  Some sample topics discussed
at Pugwash meetings are:  Biotechnology, Overpopulation, Environmental
Pollution, and Biodiversity.  Many other topics lend themselves to
Pugwash discussion as well.

Questions/comments about pugwash-related topics should be posted here.
Questions/comments about the technicalities of this newesgroup should
be emailed to pugwash@wpi.wpi.edu.

enjoy!
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From: ronthal-adam@yale.edu (Adam Ronthal)
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Subject: Re: What IS pugwash anyway?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:37:13 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: eh?

I vaguely remember reading an old children's book about a Captain Pugwash.
He was some kind of really pathetic (but funny) pirate and his main
adversary was (I think) another really mean pirate called Black Beard. Oh yeah,
there was also tom the cabinboy.  That's all I know about pugwash. :)

Adam


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Newsgroups: alt.org.food-not-bombs
From: miballar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Ballard)
Subject: Re: yumyum
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:20:12 GMT

In article <92325.223522LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> <LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>FEED THE HOMELESS TO THE HUNGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feed the students to the hungry.
Homes not jails!

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Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
From: wand@ccs.northeastern.edu (Mitchell Wand)
Subject: Re: pugwash
Keywords: pugwash
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:18:44 GMT


There used to be a series of conferences involving scientists, writers, other
academics, etc., trying to work for world peace.  They were called the Pugwash
Conferences, because the first (I think) was held in Pugwash (Nova Scotia).
My memory is pretty hazy on this, as you can see. This was in the 60's.

I presume this newsgroup was created for communication about this conference;
that's why it's in alt.ORG .

Evidently I'm the only person around old enough to remember this stuff :=(

Does anyone have more recent information?

--Mitch 
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Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: pugwash
Followup-To: alt.org.pugwash
Reply-To: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:35:38 GMT

idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet) writes:
>> Rumour has it that it was banned when someone finally spotted that two of
>> the main characters were called master-bates and seamen staines... (read it
>> out loud if you don't get it...!)
>
> Alas, filed under urbanis folkloris.

Right.  There never were such characters.  It *really* was banned because
one of the main characters was called Willy.

And why was Tom always smiling?
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Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
From: 890554h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andrew Hoogerwerf)
Subject: pugwash
Summary: pugwash
Keywords: pugwash
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:59:04 GMT

I don't know where it originated but there is a town in Nova Scotia
called Pugwash.

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Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
From: fraser@europarc.xerox.com (Quentin Stafford-Fraser)
Subject: Re: pugwash
Followup-To: alt.org.pugwash
Organization: Xerox EuroPARC, Cambridge, UK
	<1992Nov21.194726.12246@comp.lancs.ac.uk>
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	<1992Nov22.043538.5246@osf.org>
	<IDF.92Nov22223221@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:47:39


Oh, yes, he also drew 'Mary, Mungo and Midge' and 'Sir Prancelot'. Anyone
remember them ?

Quentin

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Newsgroups: alt.org.food-not-bombs
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: yumyum
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 13:34:03 GMT

<LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>FEED THE HOMELESS TO THE HUNGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, isn't *that* special.  I'd bet that a huge <read all> portion of
the homeless are hungry....

are you perhaps suggesting autocannibalism?

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:35:22 EST
From: <LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.org.food-not-bombs
Subject: yumyum

FEED THE HOMELESS TO THE HUNGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:42:29 GMT

In article <Bxvnuz.IG1@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>
>What do some of you think of the hand-held stun weapons that are coming onto
>the market? These are relatively inexpensive (~$100), easy to use, easy to
>carry, legal, and produce no lasting harm. Just enough neural disruption to
>allow one to escape. There was some writing about them in the newest _MONDO
>2000_. My husband and I have been talking about them as a non-violent option
>to the self-defense problem. The main problem is that you do have to touch 
>the assailant with the weapon, so you have to let him/her get close. Also, 
>like any weapon, it can be taken away and used on you. However, that's a 
>possibility with any weapon, and I'd rather have a stunner go off accidentally
>in struggle or even used on me than a gun or knife.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Marty

There's a larger hand held unit that fires needle pointed electrodes attached
to wires into your assailant from a distance (I hesitate to use the words
"safe distance" since the safe distance from trouble is where it isn't
happening). This unit also acts as a flashlight.

As for the relative merits of it vs. a handgun, I've never heard of any
incidents where someone's heart couldn't take the shock and the person died,
but we are talking about electricity here. Maybe someone else knows more
about these things.

Bb,
Corun



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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:13:18 GMT


Wrong wrong wrong wrong!  We need to have men with a patriarchal
---

I'm not here to challenge your belief
system: if you don't agree with the 
concept of matriarchy, I'm not here to
try and force you to accept it.  It's
right, right, right for me, and that's
enough.

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From: Steve.Dugas@iphase.infoserv.com (Steve Dugas)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.infoserv.com
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Interpersonal relationships between the sexes
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:00:00 EST

I have noticed some problems at quite a few of the Pagan gatherings I
 have been attending lately in how people react to the changing ways
 men and women interact.  As our lovely and loving women become more
 .
self assured and are becoming the active member in approaching men
 that they find attractive we are coming up with a new phenomenon of
 discomfort and hurt feelings.  In our mundane culture, men are
 trained to be the agressors (hunters if you will).  we are trained to
 be the one to approach a lady and ask her out (or to dance, or
 whatever).  We are supposed to make the first move.  We are also
 trained, supposedly, in how to accept a rejection without taking it
 too seriously.  We approach these situations prepared to be turned
 down.  Women, on the other hand, are instructed to wait for the man
 to make the first move and in how to turn him down without hurting
 his feelings needlessly.  When the roles are reversed, however, there
 are quite often problems.  The existing system takes for granted that
 the women have the final say in how far things will go.  It is simply
 understood that if a woman say "yes" a man willcertainly take her up
 on it.  But men are not trained in turning women down (especially for
 sex) politely and women are not trained in accepting that rejection. 
 If for what ever reason he is not inclined to accept the offer, he
 gets very uncomfortable and usually winds up either going along withe
 it because he does't know how to say no, or saying no in such a way
 as to offend her.  By the same token, by the time she has put her ego
 on the line to make the offer, she tends to take the refusal very
 personally as a rejection of her instead of the offer being made.  
   I don't know as yet what the answers are.  I think it is wonderful
 that many ladies are feeling comfortable enough with themselves to
 become more assertive, but we need to come up with some codes of
 behavior that will make everyone feel free to make their desires
 known and yet be able to refuse or accept refusal in good grace and
 still be able to maintain a friendship.  Please give me some
 feedback!
.
Steve Dugas

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From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:13:57 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <1992Nov15.121653.14888@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
   billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>: 
>: My condolences, Ashley. I don't look forward to the day I feel the need to
>: buy a gun, and I admit I see that day sometime in the future. I actually
>: have always admired pistols from an aesthetic point of view, both from
>: their sculptural strength and their immense power-per-ounce. But the 
>: thought of actually owning one, or firing one at another person, frightens
>: me because I can also see that day in the future. At least as a possibility,
>: if not probability.
>
>If you don't think that you can shoot to kill - then don't get one. You will
>be doing yourself a disservice.

Maybe that is what I'm reacting to -- the fact that I KNOW I could kill 
someone should they confront me or my family. I don't have any doubt that
I'd pull the trigger. It's more a matter of how I'd feel afterwards.

>: Shooting people. What pistols were designed for. Yes, Ashley, a pretty
>: ugly thought.
>
>Killing people - that is the purpose for which they were designed. [...]
>So, why is this a problem? It is what YOU wish to do with the implement
>that matters. An ax can be an efficient murder weapon, or it may be an
>innoxuous tool for splitting kindling for your wood stove.
>
>Bill

The tool argument is getting old. How many drive-by axe murders happen on 
California freeways? How many four year old kids kill their parents with
an axe? How many times have axes been employed in liquor store or bank 
robberies? It's a fallacious argument and you know it. Being able to kill
someone at a distance, with no substantial effort or danger to the gun
wielder, make them quite different than an axe. Also, handguns are easily
concealed, and don't require the skill and strength of a bow and arrow or
axe.

I don't know why there is always such a vociferous reaction on the part of
gun owners to any mention of this topic. A little sensitive? Nothing in
either Ashley's or my post talked about abolition of handguns, only tighter
controls over their distribution. In Ashley's case, she was only bemoaning
the _need_ for owning it in the first place, which I heartily agreed with.

Blessings,

Murray
  
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