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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:10:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1317@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.115039.8718@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
>lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser) writes:
>>
>>Anyway, I think the average American wouldn't know what to do with more
>>vacation time.  My own father was like this.  Most have become accustomed
>>to 2 weeks, and accept it without thinking twice.  
>
>        Count me out of this:  I do think twice!  I think it's
>        unfair...and I agree that time at work doesn't necessarily
>        correlate with productivity at work.
>
>
>>Some people make their
>>entire life revolve around their job, and would probably rather be there
>>most of the time anyway.  Others view their job as a way to make money,
>>and would rather be doing other things, like travelling.  These are
>>probably the people who would want more vacation.
>
>        And don't forget the people who like to work, but who also
>        realize-ah, I'm gonna catch it for this one, that's for
>        sure- that vacation is ALSO often a learning period, and
>        who like time away so that they can learn OTHER things
>        than those required at work.


  Fine.  Nobody's arguing that vacations are not nice or that work is 
  the be-all and end-all of life.  

  I'm just arguing against the idea or forcing or requiring companies
  to give long periods of time-off to their employees.   If lots of
  vacation time is such a great productivity-enhancer then you'd think
  companies would be falling all over themselves to give more time off
  just for the bottom-line advantages it would offer them.   But, a.) 
  I don't see this happening in the US, despite the intense competitive
  environment and the recession, both of which have companies seeking every
  advantage they can find,  and b.) the two nations with the highest
  industrial output per man hour are the US and Japan, which are also
  among the lowest on vacation time.   


---peter



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: Salary expectations...
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:07:28 GMT

In article <2028@usna.NAVY.MIL>, potter@silver.usna.navy.mil (Mr. Jeff Potter (CADIG  STAFF)) writes:
> 
>    I am soon to graduate with a BS in Computer Science from the
> University of Maryland. Shortly I will begin interviewing for
> positions in the Maryland, DC area. I have a CO-OP position at
> the US Naval Academy and, as of graduation will have been working
> here a year.
> 
>    My question is this:
> 
>     With 1 year experience and a BS degree what type of salary
> can I expect? What should I ask for?

Depends on how much you were paid on your co-op position. If it wasn't
anything special, you might expect to enter the market anywhere
between 28k and 35k. How were your grades in the CS department?
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: vrajanik@ccad.uiowa.edu (Rajanikanth Vemulapalli)
Subject: How frequently should we post a resume? 
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:03:42 GMT

hi there,
How frequently should we post a resume in misc.jobs.resumes?
Any suggestions/comments welcome.
Thanks in advance.
From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Overseas Headhunters????
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:45:26 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

Hello,
  Are there decent overseas headhunters out there?  If so, would you be so kind
as to give me any info that you might have?  I've heard of Barclay
International, ltd.  Does anyone know of there ability to find overseas 
employment?

Thanks,
Joe
-- 
E-Mail me at   yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Working for free
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:14:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Originator: stgprao@xing

Many summer jobs are like that now.
They are called "internships" and give little renummeration or none at all.
However they do gave experience.
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:49:47 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In an article, cho@duke.cs.duke.edu (Teddy Cho) writes:
>What's the big deal of shaving off a beard anyway?
>Most of the time, it just itches and looks unkempt....

Pardon me, but it really distresses me to see this.  Please, humor me
while I make a small diversion ...

A clue for those who wish to go bearded: when starting your beard, it will
itch a bit, but a skin conditioner can help if it's severe.  If it's your
very first beard, let it grow in a bit (a couple of weeks), shave it off,
and let it start growing in again... this will help it come in fuller (or
so I have been told ... mine "worked right out of the box" :-)  Once it's
grown in well enough, *shampoo* your beard, don't use soap.  It'll make life
alot easier on you (and the female of your choice.) 

Hopefully this will prevent some hapless job-seeker from constantly
scratching his face during an interview... :-)

-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
From: dp@natinst.com (Debapriya Ray)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How are job opportunities for VMS personnel ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:28:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX

Hi folks !
	I am interested in knowing how are job opportunites for
persons well versed in VMS internals, VMS drivers, VAX languages ?

	Also, how does the future hold for people working in VMS ?
(Especially where most jobs one comes across are in Unix/X/C++/RDBMS)

	I will appreciate it very much if you can send respond to
this email address:-   dp@natinst.com

	Thanks.

		Ray

email: dp@natinst.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: Can he do this?
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:35:36 GMT

In article <16dpgbINNksi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:
> The following situation is, of course, hypothetical.  Let's say you are hired
> as a teller in a bank, with the understanding that you will continue to look
> for a better job.  You don't find anything too soon, and relatively quickly
> are promoted to new accounts.  Later, you piss off the person who hired you,
> not purposely of course, but nevertheless.  Anyway, at your next performance
> review, he tells you that he has no problems with your performance, agrees
> that they are not using you to your potential (You are one of very few here
> with a college degree), but will not promote again as long as you continue
> to look for work elsewhere (This is a small town, practically everyone knows
> everything you do).  Is there anything you can do about this?

I would respond with, "as long as you continue to not promote me, I
most certainly WILL look for another job. Dig your own grave, buster."

I have made no secret about wanting to get work in Boulder, which
would of course require me to leave E&S (in Salt Lake City). Yet my
boss here has done nothing but give me above average raises, bonuses,
stock options, and extremely pleasant work. That really makes me think
twice about leaving. It's quite effective.

It sounds to me like the employer of the hypothetical individual in
your scenario really doesn't want to keep the person as an employee.
If this is because of friction between the two, perhaps the company's
human resources department can help.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mas6d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (M. Anne Shackelford)
Subject: litigation
Reply-To: mas6d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:41:36 GMT

I have a friend who is a litigator.  He is interested in changing careers, i.e.
finding a career other than being an attorney.  

Do you have any suggestions of careers where he could use the skills he has 
learned as an attorney?


Thanks,

Anne
mas6d@cs.virginia.edu
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Questions on operating *very* small business
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC


Please inform me if there is a more appropriate newsgroup for this.

I am considering starting a very small business venture.  This would
be a special-interest newsletter, mainly as a service but I want to
bring in enough to pay a little for my time.  The total profit would
be less than $2000 a year.

My question is, if I have no employees do I have to go through any
kind of legal stuff, tax consequences, etc. to do this or can I just
compute the profit and declare it as "other income" on a regular tax form.

I just don't want a whole lot of hassle over a few bucks.

Any advice?
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193804.19409@leland.Stanford.EDU>, cjb@vega.stanford.edu writes...
>....It is more than a little disturbing that a  
>nation as rich, powerful and energetic as America should have a population  
>so divorced from the world over which it has so much influence, but that's  
>another matter...

	Coming from a teaching hospital I get 25 days/year, (pluse 3 more for
	being a 20/year employee.)  Minimum here is 3 weeks, plus several
	paid holidays. Being a workaholic, I usually am at or near my 330 hour
	(41 day) limit. Why?

	A/ I have a getaway cottage in the country/lake area 1.5 hours from
	   Chicago. I tend to take long weekends rather than 5 week vacations.

	B/ Were this Europe, say southern Germany, a couple of hours can get
	   you to several different countries. If you're in the middle of
	   Texas, you can drive for days and still be in Texas. The general
	   fact that for much of the US, it takes a lot more travel to get
	   to really different places tends to keep us near home more.

	C/ America lives too much by the pager/car-phone, etc. The main reason
	   for my cabin is to get out of pager range. Long as it's easier to
	   page Frank than to activate a few of your own brain cells, Frank
	   will keep getting paged for often trivial problems.

	D/ There has been/is a trend. My father was a teacher and had a two-
	   month vacation, (well actually a layoff, cause he didn't get paid.)
	   But didn't make as much money as he could have if he had worked all
	   year. Generally, if you are in a teaching/educational position, you
	   get more time off, but lower pay. If you work your buns off for your
	   own startup company, you make lots of money, and end up with a
	   coronary at an early age.

	In summary, somewhere around WWII, when we started putting women in
	the factory when the men were away at war, we started in the direction
	of two-earner families and the American dream. In the pursuit of this,
	we have arrived at the point we are at now, similar to the Red Queen's
	race from Alice in Wonderland.


   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
  Center for Radiation Therapy   | |_) _   
    2929 South Ellis Avenue        | \|_)  Too many pieces of music finish too
    Chicago, Illinois 60616           |_)  long after the end. - Igor Stravinsky
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ansok@stsci.edu (Gary Ansok)
Subject: Re: C Programmers needed
Reply-To: ansok@stsci.edu (Gary Ansok)
Organization: TRW, c/o Space Telescope Science Inst., Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:14:36 GMT

In article <BARR.92Aug18110255@silver.NNTP> barr@silver.NNTP (J. Hunter Barr) writes:
>    Strong C programming kills (3-6 yrs.)

I always suspected as much.
-- 
Gary Ansok           ansok@stsci.edu
A second Flood, a simple famine, plagues of locusts everywhere,
Or a cataclysmic earthquake I'd accept with some despair.
But no...You sent us Congress.  Good God, Sir, was that fair?
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:34:10 GMT

In article <BsvrJ5.4Fu@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.145254.25386@osf.org> bhaim@osf.org (Bruce Haimowitz) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.023342.7625@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>>
>>> The real median wage has been falling steadily in
>>> the United States for the last 20 years or so.  This has many
>>> effects, one of them being that Americans are increasingly
>>> working harder and longer than they used to in an attempt to
>>> keep up their standard of living.  And there is little pressure
>>> on employers to offer longer vacations when so many people
>>> are unemployed.  Europe, while it is not devoid of problems,
>>> seems to be faring better that the United States in this
>>> area.
>>
>>I think an additional factor to consider is: European unions
>>are strong and are constantly fighting for additional
>>vacation time for their members.  Whereas in the U.S.,
>>unions are relatively weak and their membership is an ever
>>declining percentage of the workforce.  U.S. employees
>>have no collective bargaining power to fight for longer vacations.
>
>
>   While I hate to be a trouble-maker (right, Peter, whatever you say)
>   I just have to ask:  why is vacation time an issue?  TANSTAAFL, and
>   all that --  SOMEONE has to pay for that European employee's wages
>   when he's partying on the coast of Spain or fishing in some lake
>   in Sweden or painting his house in a suburb of Munich.  More
>   vacation time translates directly into higher labor costs or less
>   productivity.  Look at Europe's cost-of-living sometime or their
>   share of the world market in any of the a number of major in-
>   dustrial sectors.   Personally I'd rather have fewer vacation days 
>   and a stronger economy or more profitable company, than lots of
>   vacation time and watch my nation's economy or my company's 
>   fade to harder-working competitors.
>
>
>---peter
>
>

This might happen if Europe exposed its industries to this sort of
competition, but it doesn't. For example, the Japanese are limited to
a fixed market share in many W. European countries. Their domestic
companies don't have to worry about being crushed like ours have been.

Some of us are making comments on these issues from protected positions;
after all, your job, Peter, and mine, hasn't been exposed to low-wage
foreign competition. Imagine your reaction to being told that your job
is moving to Malaysia, where someone will be doing it for $1.00/hr.
You may bow to reality, but don't think that it will be happily.

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ba05047@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Fumiaki Kamiya)
Subject: Re: SW Engineers needed, Maxor-San Jose, CA
Organization: CS Dept, SUNY Binghamton
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:29:26 GMT

In article <Bt1HCw.2GG@cs.dal.ca> dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) writes:
>In my case, I have no American Passport, no American birth certificate, or
>any other form of American I.D.  I do however have an American Social Security
>card but no Green Card.  (Interesting story behind that :)

Practically, anyone can get a social security number, so
having a social security number doesn't imply that you can
work in the US.

>I would think that this is enough to allow me to work down there even
>though I don't have permanent residency status (although I am considered
>a citizen) (I am Native and have dual citizenship)

How could this be?  (considered citizen without birth
certificate)  Are you naturalized?

Just curious...

Fumi
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: wong@qucis.queensu.ca (Tak Shing Wong)
Subject: British grading system...unfair??
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:05:10 GMT


Hi,
	I graduated from a British university and now I'm doing
my MSc in Canada. My question is, due to the grading system in
Britian is different from the one in US and Canada (generally the
grades are much lower in England, e.g. 90 is impossible, 80 is
rare and 70(UK) ~= 80(US & CANADA)), will I have any
disadvantages during job search in US & Canada?? (even I
graduated as the top of the class :)

Any response will be appreciated.

Thanks.
** My resume is available in misc.jobs.resumes.
===============================================================
Tak S, Wong			email: wong@qucis.queensu.ca
Queen's University		tel:   (613) 547 - 4740
Kingston, Ont,		
Canada				
K7L 3N6				  
===============================================================
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:05:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug14.172502.183@europa.lonestar.org> tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball) writes:
>In article <BsvrJ5.4Fu@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>   While I hate to be a trouble-maker (right, Peter, whatever you say)
>>   I just have to ask:  why is vacation time an issue?  TANSTAAFL, and
>>   all that --  SOMEONE has to pay for that European employee's wages
>>   when he's partying on the coast of Spain or fishing in some lake
>>   in Sweden or painting his house in a suburb of Munich.
>
>I think this is too simplistic a view.  For one thing, many (most?) Americans
>would be glad to trade some of their earnings for more vacation time. 

 I agree that some might.  But I don't think it's that widespread.  Most
 people I know who are self-employed (i.e., those who actually have a
 choice in the matter) work LONGER hours than those working for others.  


>After all, of what use is money if you never have the time to enjoy it?
>Also, consider that a certain percentage reduction in working time does not
>necessarily equate to an equivalent reduction in productivity.  Quite often
>the result will be the reverse.  That is, a reduction in working time will
>result in an overall increase in productivity.  That is because the less
>time you spend at work, the more focused you are on your work during the 
>remaining time.

  If this is true then why are the two most productive nations on earth 
  (unit output per man hour -- source: Economist Dec 18, 1991) Japan and
  the US -- which also have the least vacation time?


>  If that is not the case, then the economy benefits anyway,
>because more people will be hired resulting in less unemployment.

  More people will only be hired if the companies in question can afford
  to do so!   If I get less work out of the workers I have but am expected
  to pay them just as much then how will I afford to hire more?  

  Now I agree that it *might* be good for employment if companies required
  fewer working hours AND offered pay and benefits which were less by the
  same amount.    That way the company can afford to hire more people.


> I suspect that total U.S. GNP would increase if Americans had more
> vacation time.

  Suspect all you want but offer some evidence.

  Look, in this economy companies are always looking for ways to boost 
  productivity and gain some kind of edge.  If shortening working
  hours was the key then you'd think it would be more widespread. 
  But in most places where people have more vacation time it's a result
  of government or union coercion.  


---peter




Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: icpa@orac.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: international software jobs
Summary: employment abroad for computer professionals
Keywords: international software jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:12:47 GMT


The International Computer Professional Association is a member supported
organization for experienced software professionals who want to work overseas.
We have contact with over 750 technical recruitment firms in the US and
abroad. If you are interested in working overseas, contact us and we will
send you information on membership with the ICPA.


Sincerely 

Tony Rodriguez

Director ICPA


International Computer Professional Association
2261 Market Street, Suite 309
San Francisco, CA 94114
USA

Tel: (415) 695 - 7618
Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dp@natinst.com (Debapriya Ray)
Subject: Need infor about headhunters in Texas & California
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:02:01 GMT

Hi folks,
	I need information for headhunters in the texas and
California areas for Computer software personnel. Please
email responses to: dp@natinst.com

	Thanks a lot, 

		Ray

email: dp@natinst.com

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: bhaim@osf.org (Bruce Haimowitz)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.023342.7625@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

> The real median wage has been falling steadily in
> the United States for the last 20 years or so.  This has many
> effects, one of them being that Americans are increasingly
> working harder and longer than they used to in an attempt to
> keep up their standard of living.  And there is little pressure
> on employers to offer longer vacations when so many people
> are unemployed.  Europe, while it is not devoid of problems,
> seems to be faring better that the United States in this
> area.

I think an additional factor to consider is: European unions
are strong and are constantly fighting for additional
vacation time for their members.  Whereas in the U.S.,
unions are relatively weak and their membership is an ever
declining percentage of the workforce.  U.S. employees
have no collective bargaining power to fight for longer vacations.

-- 
Bruce Haimowitz
OSF (617) 621-8936
11 Cambridge Center * Cambridge MA 02142
bhaim@osf.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc