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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Re: C-NET
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 22:59:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>Most authors of PD example code released it expecting it to be used perhaps
 ^^^^    wrong.
>in personal or otherwise PD programs. Or to be used as a guide on how to do
>a certain thing. Most require that the person who wishes to use it as part
                  ^^^^       wrong.
>of a commercial package contact the author of the code for permission and
>even THEN they ask for credit where it is due. Ken has done neither of
>those things and, quite personally, if I had the talent to write a bit of
>code others would like to use and released it to the PD only to have Ken
>cut and paste it into his commercial software, I'd be quite P.O.ed about
>it.

How convenient that you speak for MOST developers when you have no idea of
what you speak.  If you don't want to be P.O.ed, then you wouldn't release
it as PD.  THAT'S the problem, not the user of PD.  Pluuuuuuuueeeeeeease
learn what PD means.

Sheesh, calm down and think about what you're saying,

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From: jvasher@cquest.mi.org (Joe Vasher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95f
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:19:12 EST
Organization: Not an Organization


In an article, hribnak@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Jim Hribnak) writes:
>Since I am a CNet owner..  and have been since later 1984..  I know Ken
>doesnt

        I personally appreciated this info being brought to my attention, I 
still believe in not supporting someone who does still code, And after finding 
out about this info, I did research on my own and did discover that ken did 
use code with out permision. 

>the harrassment against Cnet?  It shouldnt be upto ANYONE to accuse Ken of
>ripping code and installing it on his BBS..  He has many features I have
        
        Not harrassment, But sharing information.

>(Ken's BBs) and leave him mail there..  I am glad I am not paying to read
>this

        This to was done, and ken admited using some PD code. in earlier 
versions. However you can justfy using stolen code or supporting someone that 
does such is up to you. But Personally I feel Steve Drew Should have at least 
gotten mention from Ken for his work to help cnet...
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From: olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 - which file is which?>
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:18:18 CED
Organization: MXM Barthel & Paesler

In article <crystal.715104775@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
> I noticed a 300K file and a 700K file for term 2.3
> 
> Which one do I need to download to get a working version?  I don't need
> source code and don't want to spend a lot of time downloading at 1200 baud
> (our machine suffers a lot of lag when the programmers are compiling and 
> long downloads OFTEN have to be redone several times - late night is not an
> option - these guys are on 24 hours a day, I swear they must sleep under
> their desks!)
> 
> The readme files were no help.  They state simply "International disk 1"
> and "International disk 2"  ????  What does this mean?

   `term' is distributed in two flavours (one german and one international,
e.g. english version) and on two disks. The first disk contains the executable
file (compiled for all MC680x0 processors), plain ASCII documentation and
auxilary libraries. The source code, documentation in AmigaGuide and TeX-DVI
format and utility programs are to be found on the second disk.

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From: doerrhb@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Heath Doerr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: VLT Question
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:59:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


   I am having a small amount of trouble with VLT (senior) and I
was wondering if someone could help me out.  When using VI, I cursor
around with the arrow keys and the text that I back over (using left
arrow key) disappears.  If I refresh the screen, everything is 
still there, it just vanishes with the left arrow.  This also happens
randomly when using the mouse support in VI.  Any suggestions?
I have the 'Application Cursor' Option from the Operation menu selected,
and am using version 5.517.  
                                    Thanks for your time.
              
                                    Heath

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From: ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Skip Watson)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:51:38 -0400
Organization: Auldhaefen Associates
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Skip Watson)
Subject: Re: SupraFax v.32bis modems
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9

In article <64848@cup.portal.com>,
	Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON) writes:
-> Would some of you people with Supra Modems, capture your settings and
-> post them here so those considering them, or having problems may be
-> able to see what makes it tick right.


	Here's what I'm using and I have been able to connect to anything
and everything.

AT&F2MW2S0=1S2=255

AT&F2  factory default setting
M      speaker off
W2     error corection result codes not reported and connect xxx reports
       DCE speed
S0=1   Auto answer on first ring
S2=255 disable the +++ hangup string

	I've connected to T1000s, T2500s, T3000s, WorldBlazers,
SupraFaxModem V.32bis, Practical Peripherals something or other, HSTs, HST
Dual Standards, and Emerson 2400s with no to little trouble. The most
problems I've had are when the lines get noisy.
	I run DLG-PRO and DUUCP. It even works with JRComm .92 :-). The
ROM I have now is 1.200C.

Hope this helps someone somewhere.

Skip
From: huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm???
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:26:00 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <3671@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz) writes:
>
>>Someone told me about three months ago that it was in "gamma test".
>>I figured by now it must be in epsilon test.  But bugs will be bugs...
>
>  Three months ago it was in "local test".  Beta testing only started about
>two months ago...
>
>  -jack-

I am happy to see that its being thoroughly tested.  Hopefully this
will avoid the innumerable problems that crop up with each new release
of "Term".  

One question, though.  Are there any plans for bi-directional
transfer protocols?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:05:55 GMT

In <1992Sep3.011812.25585@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cprem@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ross E Milward) writes:

>Where did you get it from?
>Is it on any of the ftp sites yet?

I haven't seen it yet on any of the FTP sites (I got it from a BBS here in
Sweden). I'll be back with more information if I find it.
 
>-- 
>Ross Milward,   ross@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au, cprem@marlin.jcu.edu.au
>Honours Student - Comp. Sci. Dept.,  James Cook Uni, Qld, 4811, Australia.
>"The way the rain comes down hard, that's how I feel inside." - The Cure

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: umkhawaj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tahir Z. Khawaja)
Subject: skyline bbs down?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:22:22 GMT


Hello,

	I just wanted to find out:   What is going on with the Main BBS?
For the last 3 weeks I have tried to get on there and all I get is a NO CARRIER.
No these are long distance calls for me and I can not afford to be calling
to many times.

	SO:  What is happening!!!!!!??????

BYE and thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: paws@spam.cray.com (Daniel Baehr)
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:31:07 CDT


In article <richardc.04ob@vogue.adsp.sub.org>, richardc@vogue.adsp.sub.org (Richard Carde) writes:
> In article <1992Aug29.183743.25326@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>  
> >    Is Eric Drewery still alive? Does he ever answer Email or US mail?
> >    I've owned Paragon since 1990 or so, and have been a patient owner, but this
> > guy is starting to really get on my nerves. Is something happening in his real
> > life that's preventing him from responding to registered owner problems, or is
> > he just being snooty? 
> 
> He's get's too much mail to reply to it/read it all.
> 
> I can see why he gets so much mail - so many problems still!!  And it's
> getting on EVERYONE's nerves!!
> 
> Now, I've been told he takes his holidays around this time of year, but this
> time he's told people he has another programming job and he's not talking
> about BBS's until that's complete in 2-3 months.  Now, to me, that's just
> NOT acceptable if he's supposed to be supplying/suppporting his product!
> 
   Same story I got last year at this time!  I could have lived with his 
 disappearing acts if the software was up to par, but it wasn't.  So I
 switched to DLG Professional.  I was worried at first that Starnet might
 come back strong.....but I'm not worried any more!  I'm glad to see I 
 made the right choice to switch. 

> For me so far, it's NOT performing to my satisfaction. I wonder if I have
> grounds to demand a refund as the product simply does not do as it's
> supposed to!  I wonder what would happen if every dis-satisfied customer
> wanted a refund.  I wish he would run his business AS A BUSINESS.
> 
> >    Flames >hell:, please. This is a legitimate Q, so I'd appreciate only
> > legitimate answers.
> 
> FLAMES >/dev/null
>  
> > Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 
> 
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   Daniel Baehr
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From: MsgPost.v1.00@mtask.omahug.org (MsgPost v1.00)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: [1 of 2] Information from Supra on New ROMS
Date: 02 Sep 92 08:06:08 CST
Reply-To: msgpost.v1.00@mtask.omahug.org
Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm

Xref: uunet comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:8309
From: cprem@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ross E Milward)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:18:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.131325.15594@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
>In <1992Sep2.105840.25191@fwi.uva.nl> welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:
>>>I downloaded it from a BBS last night and the program is
>>>for sure SUPER!. Some real nice features, but it seems to
>>>have lots of bugs. Who has made this program?
>
>--
>Tomas Pihl /  Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs - Stockholm, Sweden

Where did you get it from?
Is it on any of the ftp sites yet?

Ross.

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Honours Student - Comp. Sci. Dept.,  James Cook Uni, Qld, 4811, Australia.
"The way the rain comes down hard, that's how I feel inside." - The Cure
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: BFJ Enterprises
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:43:17 GMT

    If you ordered merchandise from BFJ, and have not received it,
check out the article in comp.dcom.modems on how to file a complaint
with the Atlanta Better Business Bureau.

						Peter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: z-x-modem blues using telnet connection
From: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (John Davis)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:38:31 +1200
Reply-To: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: Chem Dept, Uni of Canty, Chch, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Eric_J_Rainbolt@cup.portal.com wrote:

> My problem is when I call my school maiframe, I am limited to
> using telnet to connect to the sun then to rlogin from there.
> When I download, I get tons of block sync errors because telnet
> is not 8-bit clean.  Is there anyway to get around this problem.

tell zmodem to escape control chars - this burns some speed but should allow
you to get downloads to work. If you're using sz, the option is -e. 

Also, if you still have probs it could be due to a lack of flow-control in
the modem link you're dialling into, getting your school to fix it would be
best, but a decent work-around is to force zmodem into doing an ack every k
or so (with sz, that's -l 1024). 


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From: Francesco_Munda@mas.sublink.org (Francesco Munda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term won't hang up..
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: mas.Francesco_Munda.00us
Organization: MangaZone Advanced Services, Rome - ITALY

Dear Jyanken,

The exact code sequence to hang up the line with term isn't only "+++ ATH",
cause this won't let the modem know that you are "calling" it with the
"+++" escape code. You need to put some sort of a pause between the
"+++"and the "ATH" command. So term let you pad the string with the "~"
(tilde) character, which pauses the command flow for exactly half a second.
Since the modem needs AT LEAST a full second to go off-line (and be able to
receive and process your commands), you need to reconfigure the hangup
string:

~~~+++~~~ATH\r

is the correct syntax.
The triple "~" before the "+++" sequence are needed cause the modem need at
least a second of quiet even BEFORE the issuing of the triple "+" code.

Hope this helps,

Regards,
Francesco.

(Momentarily without a signature...)

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From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:20:16 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org really type:
> 
> The HST standard uses a backtalk channel at only 450 bps, when
> Supra/TwinCom etc.  uses a full-blown backtalk on 14,400 bps, so consider
> HST the slowest...

I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.  When using an HST verses a V.32bis
modem on an Amiga with Zmodem, the HST yields a faster transfer rate *all*
the time on the order of 100 to 250 CPS better.  And when using a new
16.8k HST, one sees over 2000 CPS to the V.32bis 1600 to 1650 CPS.  And
as far as transferring mail with my NEC, since my outgoing packet is
on the order of 50k to the incoming 800k, well, I think you can figure
out the math that the HST is faster in unidirectional transfer than would
be an (currently non-existent) Amiga bi-directional mailer protocol that
talks to FrontDoor, D'Bridge, or BinkleyTerm.
-- 
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Internet: jma@cis.ufl.edu      John_Adams%lamia.uucp@ufl.edu  _ // Amiga
Fidonet: 1:3612/57.0         UUCP: uflorida!lamia!John_Adams  \X/ Forever
Cybernet: 57:2163/57.0  AT&T: 1-904-492-2305 (Pensacola, FL)
From: Glenn_Carey@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Glenn Carey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Distribution: world
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:50:23 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

Actually Starnet has become very stable with the last release have not had
a crash with starnet in a long time but there is a chance that I am gonna
switch sware later this year and will probably end up using DLG

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Internet: glenn_carey@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US          FidoNet: 1:396/50.0
  UseNet: rex!agwbbs!glenn_carey
I would write a disclaimer but who cares anyway???
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell)
Subject: Re: C-NET
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:19:28 GMT


     Don't get me wrong, I agree with you for the most part.  I do feel
that if someone puts out source in the public domain, even if 
copyrighted, it's there for us to use.  I feel that Ken should at least
say that he used someone else's code...  I'm a firm believer of giving
credit where credit is due.  
     Anyhow, I'm just trying to say that I *like* C-Net and also Ken's
user support.  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell)
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:22:10 GMT

In article <3675@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>  ISDN is definately the long term, high speed solution (for the moment),
>I'd much rather have that as well.

     I'm not familiar with the ISDN...  What, exactly, is it?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:53:58 GMT

Well, I'm having another problem.  I've got an 8-color screen set up
on a Hires display...  And it gurus every time it switches to the
screen.  Guaranteed.  Is there some way I can pass this to you?
Perhaps I could send you my phonebook entry, because she's a
hum-dinger.  ;)  It's the only way I can think of doing it...

It only seems to happen with 8-color screens, blinking off.  I don't
even think it gets a chance to put the status line(s) at the bottom.
It gurus, and it freezes the display up.  No fireworks, it just ceases
to show anything but what it was frozen at...

Greg

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From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:27:58 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
	<kehlet.06hg@kehlet.adsp.sub.org>

jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:
>out the math that the HST is faster in unidirectional transfer than would

  HST is made by only a single company, USR.  V.32Bis modems can (and are)
made by everyone.  This (To myself anyways) is more of an issue than 'todays 
transfer speeds' (Considering that the V specs and the propriatary modems have
been doing the Leap-Frog thing for a few years).

>be an (currently non-existent) Amiga bi-directional mailer protocol that
>talks to FrontDoor, D'Bridge, or BinkleyTerm.

  FrontDoor and D'Bridge don't support any bi-directional protocols, only
BinkleyTerm and OPUS (Using JANUS) do.


  BTW: There are about 3 different possible bi-directional protocols being 
looked into for Welmat (A network mailer that runs on the Amiga) with Janus being
just one of them.  A lower-overhead protocol will likely be more usefull
for Welmat<-->Welmat sessions.

>John Adams - Sysop - Beachside BBS.  (Amiga/Cyber/Fido/UUCP)     _
>Internet: jma@cis.ufl.edu      John_Adams%lamia.uucp@ufl.edu  _ // Amiga
>Fidonet: 1:3612/57.0         UUCP: uflorida!lamia!John_Adams  \X/ Forever
>Cybernet: 57:2163/57.0  AT&T: 1-904-492-2305 (Pensacola, FL)
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