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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:28:11 GMT

Jerry B. Ray writes
> In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu  
(Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
> >: Danielle Moonstar
> >
> >This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever
> >in comics. 
> 
> Y'know, i replied to the original poster of this thread by e-mail, and  
said
> that what ruined Dani for me was when her powers were altered so that  
she 
> could make her 'wishes' reality.  I thought that this was just totally 
> pulled out of the blue.  However, i recently bought and read NM #3, in  
which
> the Brood-influenced Prof X used his powers to augment Dani's, to the  
point
> that she was able to create and maintain a BUNCH of 'real illusions' all  
at
> once.  If this power was developed further, she could have been quite 
> powerful.  I wonder why this was never picked up on again until the
> Simonson issues, and then only in a really watered down form (if i  
remember
> correctly).  Any ideas?
> 
> JRjr

Along the lines of forgotten NM's, whatever happened to Karma?  Last i  
remembered she was still looking for her brother (i think).
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From: joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:03:05 GMT

In <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Chris Nasipak (v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>: A few years ago, I gave up on comics in general, and having only recently
>: returned to the fold, I am left wondering about the fates of certain
>: characters:


>: The Hellions

>Hmmm.... I think Simonson was shot before she could ruin them. She tried!
>Last seen: well... who knows?

All/most of them were killed circa UX-Men #281.  Big waste if you ask me.
Most of them had potential...

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Comment on Marvel Tendencies from a Marvel Character
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 13:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.032110.29759@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>     Similar to this is Jean's admonishing Warren last week in Uncanny about 
>his hiding behind "cursed evil side" stuff, which is basically Lobdell's 
>comment on the ultraviolent character concept that sells so well.

Hmm...to me it just looked like bad plotting from Lobdell. We've seen a fair
amount of foreshadowing about Warren's wings, most obviously the scene where
they slay a bunch of people in the Void while Warren is unconscious. Either
Lobdell is trying to make Jean out to be stupid, or he is blatently ignoring 
this for a standard insert of angst to break up all those nice fights.

I'm sorry, but I'm really not impressed with Lobdell. I'd say he was a mediocre
scripter and a dire plotter. I really can't think of anything I've read of his
that struck me as being worth the paper it was printed on, with the possible
exception of Excalibur 53 which I believe was plotted by Davis anyway. As far
as I'm concerned, he has 3 issues to prove me wrong, before I drop Uncanny
X-Men. The book has got worse and worse. The characterisation is dismal, the
plots are tedious and unlikely rehashes of previous plots, and I'm not keen on
the art either. X-Men also has the same deal, and X-Force too (though I hold
out a bit more hope for these 2 cos I think Nicieza has a little talent,
unlike Lobdell).

It'll be sad to see these 2 books go, but I'm not going to pour my money into
a title which holds little interest for me and which bears almost no resemblance
to those classic issues of yesteryear.

Mike
From: chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew William Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Gambit and his powers...
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:48:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


    A guy I know and I keep getting into an argument about Gambit and
what his actual powers are.  So far we agree that he can charge objects
with kinetic energy, which will explode on impact.
    What we don't agree on is wether or not he has superhuman agility,
and wether or not his influencing abilty is a mutant power or just
a skill he's developed.
    His point of view:  Just take a look at the listing for Gambit in
new Marvel Universe Deluxe thing.(I don't know the actual title)  It 
states that Gambit has "peak human" agility.  And it list his influencing
abilty under skills, and not powers.
    My point of view:  Just read the comic and take a look at the Marvel
role-playing game.(I know the game isn't cannnon, but it is usually 
accurate with the comics.)  In the comic book, Gambit dodges bullets.
What else is there to say?  Captain America is peak human and he can't 
dodge bullets.  Besides, in issue 4 Rogue mentioned that Gambit had
superhuman agility as a power during the basketball game.  As for Gambit's
ability to persuade people, didn't the Shadow King make some comment as 
to how Gambit's power could have affected even him, given enough time.
Besides, the Marvel Universe didn't even list thieving abilities under
Gambits skills.
   Help me out guys.  Which one of us is right?

                                 Matt Somers
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: X-Men FAQ
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:04:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.124513.5344@cci632.cci.com> das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op)) writes:
>Good luck!  I really suggest you check out Dark Phoenix Saga, as it is 
>probably the single best storyline in X-History.  Most of the older stuff
>is far superior to current storylines, unfortunately.

Actually, I enjoyed the Madeline Pryor/Mastermind series a lot more, followed
closely by the original Brood saga. I would like to point out that the series
has always had ups and downs, especially when staffers overturned.

The Claremont/Smith/Wiacek series were wonderful, even though they lacked the 
earth-shatteringness of some of the other story lines. I think that trhe 
current X-Men lines are the same effect. I don't enjoy the Mongo Evil Super
Being stories nearly as much as the commonness of some of the other stories.
The recent Mikail Rasputin story line (though suffering in art), had a
certain sensitivity which made it a wonderful read (a bit too short, though.
It could've used a little more development.).

MHO,

Topher

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From: mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:10:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Aug29.181051
Reply-To: mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <BtrBLo.9CJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
writes:
> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
> 
> >Gosh, right after i post a mild gripe about Davis' writing, he comes back
> >with something like the new issue of Excalibur.  THIS is what an X-Book is
> >supposed to be.  A sense of history.  Character development/realistic
> >interaction.  Sub-plots from years ago coming back unexpectedly.  I love
> >it.  I'm still not real pleased with Farmer's inks, though, even though
> >this issue was quite a bit above standard Marvel fare.
> 
> Is it really that good?  I might actually pick up an issue (after all,
> they do have Night Crawler and Kitty, to of my old faves.
> -Vincent

  This issue was good, but I can't believe they actually killed Alistair's
sister, the Brigadier, off!  This issue also left me to believe that both Kurt
and Meggan are dead too!  (Tell me they were tranquilized.)  This issues sets up
for a pretty exciting next few issues if anyone is left alive.  I like
Psylocke's persona much better here than in _X-Men_.  I think someone has been
reading _Hell's Angel_ to get a good idea on how to write Psylocke's character.
I haven't seen this much insight to Psylocke since the _Captain Britain_ graphic
novel.  If it were up to me, I'd leave Psylocke in Excalibur, after all, they no
longer have a telepath. (Just a thought)  The only thing I didn't like was the
fact that there is another Sat yr 9.  Won't they let the cross-time caper rest? 
It's too bad they had to bring that back to create a more readable story.  

Mike B (not Mikel B)

PS any thoughts on the above mentioned _Hell's Angel_ title?
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rachel and Selene!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:15:30 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <UedZRQ600iUx05MkwJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> While we're on the subject of Rachel...  Remember the storylines in
> Uncanny that involved a battle between Rachel and Wolverine over Selene?
>  This storyline was never resolved!  For once, I wish the writers would
> make use of the crossovers and resolve some unfinished business with the
> members of the uncanny team from issues 190-the mutant massacre.  Too
> much change too fast leaves too many loose ends, and a plethora of
> storylines

I think phoenix actually resolved the conflict between Selene and Rachel!
I mean when Rachel came up and about clobbered her I think Selene has
steered clear of Rachel altogether.  Although I would LOVE to see a 
rematch between the original Rachel (Phoenix heals her and returns her to 
Excalibur) and Selene.
The whole Selene Black Queen thing has not been resolved.  The last I
saw of it was in the when Shinobi was running around killing all the 
Hellfire Club leaders and in a last frame picture you see what appears to
be Selene saying something to the effect of "Heh, Heh, Now the Game is 
getting interesting!!"  Selene is one of the more interesting characters
(more terrifying as well) and I am sort of glad they havent tried to 
mess with her mainly because the way the artists have been handling the
rest of the loose ends has been disgraceful... (hold a gun to their 
collective heads!)  It would be a shame to get rid of such a terrifying and
powerful villain in such a fashion! ( It was the issue with Kulan Gath that
I really enjoyed her stuff! (remember!?))  Anyway an accomplished sorceress,
mutant and psychic vampire should not be offed by the likes of the writers
of lately!
							wReam...

P.S.  This is the psychic black hole sighing off!
From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: What Happened to Kid Dynamo?
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:37:03 GMT
Organization: Yale University

I posted this on rec.arts.comics, but I'm not sure if everyone saw it.
Therefore, I'm going to repost it here.
 
Does anyone know what happened to Kid Dynamo, Connie Hirsch's wonderful
story about the New Mutants?  I had to leave before she finished posting
it, so I didn't get most of the chapters.  Is there an FTP site somewhere?
 
 
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:19:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.215433.14274@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Christopher A. White (caw@gtech.com) wrote:
>[...bunch o' stuff deleted...]
>: 	What don't you like (and justify it). To say that Louise is the
>: 		worst writer ever needs a little more justification than
>: 		"I didn't like the way she dit it."
>
>I have to go off on this.

Oh, must we now?

>
>JUST READ THE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>It is self evident why LS is such scum. She took some of the most
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Gee, obviously not ....

>complex and real characters EVER MADE in comics and in most other
>media, and turned them into one dimensional stereotypes. She
>randomly killed and booted off characters when she couldn't
>get a real plot, and brought her own cardboard characters in
>to replace them.

A perfect example of someone who can defend their points .... YAWN!

>and LS ruined it all in a few good issues

Besides the fact the sentence is self-contradictory, it makes one question
just how good something can be if it can be ruined so easily.

>In 3087, people are going to read the NM Claremont did to 
>learn what growing up in the 1980's was like...

More likely the _National Enquirer_


Topher
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From: v206gb6c@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PauL M SchwartZ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep1.222108.7079@access.usask.ca>, donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes...
>caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
> 
>>I'd like to take a chance to vent about all the venting. It really is
>>boring. I find it amazing that people can be so negative about things.
>>Maybe the art does lead the story right now, so what? Does this mean that
>>the whole is any less? No, only not the same. That's what it boils down to,
>>it seems. "Where were the good 'ol [formula] days?" Well, to borrow a phrase,
>>"the good 'ol days weren't always good and tomorrow is not as bad as it seems."
> 
>	Exactly.  I barely remember the Claremont - written New Mutants... 
>I started reading after he left...  SO, having gone back and read them, I 
>see SOME good plotlines, but they were not EXPONENTIALLY better as some people
>seem to advocate (*my opinion, my opinion*)
> 

    To add to the fire, most people complained about Claremont while he was 
writing the book.  Dangling plot lines was the most talked about X-book problem,
and they all related back to Claremont.  Now that he's gone, people finally
realized that they wanted him all along (I sure did).  It seems X-fans just
want to complain.  The book has had a few incredible plot runs, it seems that
people expect this to be the norm.  Well, 'taint possible.  Live with it.

PauL M SchwartZ           | Follow men's eyes as they look to the skies
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Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 11:45:17 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: reply to Tony

Tony, 
    you are totally right!  I used to count the days between each issue,
because I was a big fan of the art, but especially of the writing!  Both
have declined, and so has my interest!  The writers seem to be throwing
out sublots like crazy,and shirking the heritage of carefully planned
plotlines and character development left by Claremont.  This is
especially a problem in Uncanny.  At least the art in X-MEN keeps up
some sense of the good old days.  I'm hoping that this fall's crossover
will help to stimulate the writers, but I'm afraid what it will really
do is tangle the already poor plotlines some more.  Bring back the days
of Claremont and Buscema, I say.  Signing off ---
Mike
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: New Code names for Jean Grey...
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:55:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hey if no one likes the name Marvel Girl/Woman we could always choose
a new name for her....
			How about the INCREDIBLE TELEKINETIC SOMETIMES ULTRA-
POWERFUL/SOMETIMES REALLY WIMPY INCONSISTENT TELEPATHIC WOMAN!

	Or we could choose her a He-Man type name like

			TELEKINETICON
          or does that sound more like shes a Tranformer...

I think maybe her most astounding power needs to be given more credit....

		The Amazing Dying Woman!

or we could choose a Robby Leechfield(sp?) name for Image...

			Fallic Symbol!

							Gee What a Joy Comics
   								 Are!

								wReam...

P.S.  Mindlift?, Mindwoman?  Telekinetica?  whiner???
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:39:53 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep1.210748.24317@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <20008@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>
>>1.	Rogue's a lot more powerful than any wimpy Kree (Spider-Man
>>	can whup on your average Kree -- no insult to Spidey, btw, either).
>But then again, so was Ms. Marvel.  I read several issues of her book
>( & the Avengers) where she is tossing around fairly large armored
>foes (including once dismantling the main-sail of a large ship). I-)

Actually, I think the large ship incident you're remembering was part of
a two-parter Marvel Team-Up (with Spidey and the Thing, I believe), but
it's been so many aeons since I dug out my MTU's that I could very likely
be wrong (and the only time I bought the Avengers regularly was when Simonson
had it, so don't use me as font of Avengers knowledge).

See next new paragraph below for more details on this...:

>>2.	Rogue's a lot more powerful than Ms. Marvel ever was, although
>>	she technically never got a "power boost" (cf. Beast in early
>>	X-Factors).
>I disagree.

I don't. Well, not entirely, but... well, never mind. Ms. Marvel was
supposedly granted equal powers to the late, great (and may he stay that
way) Cpt. Marvel thanks to the ol' Psycho-Magnetron. According to every
one of my copies of my OHTMU, that's around a Spider-Man level strength.
Although there were some hints in the end of her own run in her own title
that Ms. Marvel was exceeding those limits, Rogue's fifty-plus ton
capacity, IMO, is significant enough of a change to warrant the phrase
"a lot more powerful." Also, any superhuman could probably very easily
"dismantle" a large mast, due to the application of large amounts of
pressure in a small area (like, say, the fingertips when they grab it).
Once again, I don't know *exactly* what you're referring to, so if MM was
swingin' the old mast like a baseball bat, my opinion may change (once
again).

>Otherwise, you did a wonderful summary.

Why, thank you.


-- 
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For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
Subject: Re: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.052033.13207@news.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>  I have a few questions about the xbooks I was wondering if the
>people out in netland could answer...
>
>  1)  In between the two most recent issues of Classic X-men, Rogue's
>hair changed from her older twin temple-stripes to her current single
>central "skunk" stripe.  Do these issues repring consecutive issues of
>X-men?  (There wasn't any indication I could find in the most recent
>issue of which issue it was reprinting.)  If not, was there any
>explanation of how her hair changed?

I remember reading something about this long ago.  I think it was in a letter
column, but I don't really remember.  Anyhow, someone asked something similar
to this, and the answer was something along the lines of she decided to change
her hair style, or is combing it different.  Anyway, the answer was a brush-
off, and nothing more was ever said.

Jon Purvis
jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: al@calsci.UUCP (Al Petterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Marvel Girl/Woman
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: al%calsci@gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com (Al Petterson)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: California Scientific Software
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.1 Release 5


In article <BtqBwp.Eu0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady
and her Walrus) write:
>In article <67160@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>>Also, the stuff that the telepaths were attempting to do was said to have
>>been done before, some time in the past.  I can only figure that this is
>>a reference to (Uncanny) X-Men, circa #65, when Professor X linked the minds
>>of all the happy people on the earth to repulse the attack by the Z'nox, or
>>whatever.  Is this really what they're referring to?  (If so, put the writer
>>on an X-book NOW, because he has a better grasp on the X-Men than anyone
>>writing them now.)
>>
>Yeah, this does seem to be what they're talking about.  I was also surprised
>at that sudden flash of continuity. :)
>
>I also wondered at first why Charlie couldn't do it all by himself.  Have
>his powers really weakened that much?  Or is it because he doesn't have the
>time now he had then to prepare?  Probably the latter.  Either that, or it's
>a goof on someone's part....

More continuity...  Don't forget that waaay back, (about the same time, in
fact, I think) Magneto screwed with the magnetic fields of the planet making
long-range, large-scale telepathy impossible or nearly so.  (He did it
purposely to screw over Xavier.)

>The Walrus

Al Petterson (al%calsci@gvgpsa.gvg.tek.
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Scav's first x-post
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:35:31 GMT

So the X-books got their own group.  I still think it sets up a bad precident(?)(You know that legal thing) but Hey, I'll deal.

Anyway, I'm wondering, what kind of ages do we have running around the group.
I've seen posts from lost of old-time rac-ers, but the range seems to be pretty
large.

Has PAD shown up here yet? I haven't seen posts from him on rac,racm,or racx.

BTW: I've heard that CLAREMONT is working on a 4 part DC-ELSEWORLDS title 
featuring SUPERMAN.  The storyline I heard sounded great.
There's also been talk about him getting a ongoing series with DC (possibly
DC/Vertigo) ANYONE hear anything?

OH, for the record:  I say that Cable is not Nathen Christopher.  I belive the
whole rumor was started by a comic store (prob. up north) that had a HUGE 
backstock of X-Men 201

------SCAVENGER

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