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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 13:53:20 GMT


In article <18463@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick
Washbrook) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu>,
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
>>tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
>>coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
>>wasn't that simple?

>Don't you see how short a step it is from that
>simple-and-seductive pleasure to international-fascism-
>blackshirts-thumping-on-our-doors-
>bring-out-yer-queers-so-we-can-kill-'em?

>Make the connection, people!

>Sheesh.

I take your point, but I very much doubt the generally
light-hearted tea/coffee debate has anything in common with
oppression, other than the (I think quite healthy)
swallowing of stereotypes and lampooning them.  It's a form
and content thing, mostly.

As is always the case with humor, and especially camp humor,
one is inevitably going to tread on somebody's buttons who
won't want to take it lightly.  We can't protect ourselves
against everything, after all.

<> Now art should never try to be popular.
<> The public should try to make itself artistic.
<> -- Oscar Wilde
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! :-)
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:12:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan22.121209.15590
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1jnc7dINNmu2@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.131507.8677@schbbs.mot.com>, TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:
>|> Sorry everyone, just couldn't resist spilling the beans
>|> about my birthday tomorrow.
>|> I will be the ripe old age of 25! :-(
>
>25 was a fun year.
>
>|> <sob> I want to be 21 again!
>
>Why?
>
>I don't know about the rest of you, but I have found the aging process
>to be fun and entertaining.  At 26 (ooohh....) to be a different sort
>of fun from 21.  It is good to know that you slow down eventually...

I was never so happy as when I turned from 19 to 20, except when I
turned from 29 to 30 (last September). I'll be in 7th heaven when I'm
39 or 43, and when I'm 50 I'll be insufferable. It was interesting to
be 21, but it got boring after about a year.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958)
Subject: Ailsa, please read  (was: what i did over xmas vacation, etc.\)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:42:23 GMT
Organization: The Edge of the Final Frontier
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Ailsa;

	I tried to email you, but it keeps bouncing.  Do you have a .edu
	or .com address?

	Please email me and see if I can get back to you.

	Thanks.  :-)

--
Regards,

Jackie
jackies@hpxxx.fc.hp.com
Hate is NOT a Family Value!!

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Nancy Reagan [eeeeek!]
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:15:10 GMT

Rod, it's articles like that that make me glad that Mrs. Reagan is no
longer in office!

What she did on the air was sooooo pathetic... I bet she won't be able
to show her face for a while in public :)
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From: ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:49:56 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
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>In article <1993Jan21.163402.9699@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> 
>krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
>>bonified minority with special rights.  Then, after the laws  get passed, 
>>write open letters to our bosses stating that we are coming out of 
>>the closet.  Afterward, if we get fired or layed-off for any reason, 
>>we can just claim homophobia and discrimination.  We will keep our 
>>jobs for life!
>>
>


	
	Nobody ever asked for special priveleges Mr. Krueger.   All we asked for was to not
lose the priveleges everyone else has, simply by being well adjusted with ourselves.

Kevin
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:06:43 GMT

In article <C18JLF.91u@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org
(Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.222526.3299@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Well, if it's ice cream flavored with coffee that one wants,
>>by all means have it.  I like it too.

>>But coffee is hot and contains neither cream nor sugar.
>>Anything else is something else.

>It *is* George!!

Tee hee.  But you see, that's the trouble with you young
moderns (well, in Roger's case, contemporary moderns): no
real sense of the Pure and Good.  The lovability index
remaining high, however, this is a foible easy to overlook
for those of us who are P & G (and not gettin' that much).

Incidentally, I am unable to account for George by the P&G
(procto and gambol?) paradigm; he remains unique, some would
say very unique (they would, really).

-- 
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From: brsmith@janus.cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: finding each other at MOW... an idea
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:33:23 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <thaaang.728155474@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>Okay, fine then. We'll all be Steven groupies and tote bass drums.

The (MN Freedom) band has groupies, but Steven has "love slaves," also
sometimes called "volunteers."
--
Brian
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From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:34:14 GMT

i'm originally from lynchburg, va, which is where Falwell resides...try
growing up in an atmosphere like that.

i've actually met him a couple of times because my dad used to be a news
anchorman in lynchburg, and he had to interview the asshole...he's always
trying to convert people.  good old Jerry also ruined my sixteenth
birthday because he fired a bunch of people and Dad had to cover the
story...i didn't get to get my driver's license...i really hate him.

season

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czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:14:54 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1993Jan26.162056.23544@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>New York Times columnist (and former executive editor) Abe
>Rosenthal takes Gen. Colin Powell to task for his opposition
>to lifting the ban, advising Powell that his career and
>position in Army was made possible only by Harry Truman's
>executive order integrating the military in 1948 in the face
>of similar opposition and bigotry.  His piece closes...
>
>    So I have an answer for a question General Powell raised
>    last month at Amercian University -- what can he tell a
>    heterosexual youngster who comes in and says that in his
>    private accommodations he prefers to have heterosexuals
>    around him, not gays?

What would he say to a young recruit who didn't want to get up at the
crack of dawn but wanted to sleep in until 10 AM?  Since when is
the purpose of the military to pander to the whims of the soldiers?

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:42:22 GMT

kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
>In particular, I know of people who complain that they cannot kiss the
>partner of their choice in "normal" public bar, and then they go on to
>criticise the straight couple with the audacity to snog in a gay place
>(or even a bi couple who just happen to be male/female).  To me this is
>unquestionably hypocritical.

Only if you think the situations of queers in straight space and of
straights in queer space are symmetrical.

,
Eamonn
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:29:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpuerca.C1FL4G.5uB
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <C1FGLt.1pA@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning) writes:

>Although I do not have a title at hand but there are some songs by 
>The Smiths that are MOTSS-oriented.  Also check out songs by The
>Communards and Jimmy Somerville (former leadsinger of The Communards).

Yo!  Even though you sit 10 feet from me, let me speak with you via the
magic of electrons... :-)

Don't forget, Jimmy Somerville was also lead singer for Bronski Beat,
and what song has more MOTSS content than "Smalltown Boy"?

There's also Frankie Goes to Hollywood (Relax, etc.).

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Goodbye?  Anyway, here's kElvIn anD hIbbS
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:59:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.162709.25197@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>> rrizzo@BBN.COM (Ron Rizzo) writes:

>>I may be laid off tomorrow or Friday and lose net access.  If I am,
>>I don't know when next I'll have access.

>Somebody *do* something!  Call the White House!  Call
>Steve Dyer! :-)

Long experience shows that trying those options in the other
order will likely be more efficacious.

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[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: Randu@cup.portal.com (Randall - Jabaay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:14:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


>Lasaga@corral.uwyo.edu writes:
>Pedophilia involves the desire for sexual gratification from another
>non-consenting human-being.

     I STRONGLY disagree with the word "non-consenting". By definition,
the word "pedophile" comes from the Greek "pedo",meaning child, and
"phile",meaning loving or friendly. A TRUE pedophile would never harm
a child or force him to do something against his will any more than an
audiophile would destroy a beautiful recording. Unfortunately,the word
is used to describe a man like Wesley Dodd,who murdered young boys,and
a man who fondles a boy in a loving and consensual relationship. Am I
the only one who sees a difference?

>However,if you want to engage in sex with a minor who doesn't know
>enough or hasn't the power to say "no",then I think you should NOT
From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Unsafe/safe,Unsafer/safer,Unsafest/safest
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:11:05 GMT
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry

In article <brsmith.727834695@duncan> brsmith@duncan.cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) writes:

>We should form a fan club.  We could chase after him when he's in the US,
>barking and woofing, groupie-like.

>What would we call ourselves?

>  "The Jojo Fan Club"
>    Far too pedantic for anything having to do with Jojo.

How about "Le Cercle JoJoie" (since after all, he is in Paris.)

-- 
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"Daffodils go Ping! and Oink! // They Really are alarming 
I'm scared of big geraniums // And I'm sure that Lilac's harming"
(Dr. Bertram X. Fegg)
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NYC Conference on Oregon & Colorado
Date: 23 Jan 1993 02:13:32 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <rizzoe.714.727631695@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:

>I saw a notice glued to a lamppost yesterday about an all day conference 
>this Saturday (1/25) at The Center on Oregon, Colorado and the 
>fundamentalists.  I can't remember all the details but one of the guest 
>speakers was someone from No on 9.  

>Does any NYC motsser know more about this conference and is anyone planning 
>to go?

I just hear that it was at 10am at the NYC Center.  The videos they'll
be showing start at noon. (I'm a little unsure about the time
the videos start).

I can't make it since I just heard about it.

BTW, that's today, Saturday, Jan 23.

Tom
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From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: G&L MILITARY BAN: Call the White House NOW!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:06:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In article <chavez.727989434@quorum.com>, chavez@quorum.com 
(R. Martin Chavez) writes:
>3.   Legislation is being introduced in the House and Senate to 
>make the ban enforceable by legislation.  (Remember the ban was 
>instituted through an Executive Order 50 yrs ago - legislation
>could make the ban into LAW!!!)

Would congressional legislation be able to override an executive
order by Clinton?  Or would an executive order by Clinton be able
to override congressional legislation?  Anybody know?

-maria

p.s.  Does anyone have the physical address for Cheney (I've sent
      a fax, but I'd like to send hard copy)?  And how about an
      address or fax # for Lee Aspin?
From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:59:45 GMT
Organization: Dis-
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: Clay Bond obnoxious?  Never!

In article <1993Jan26.200906.23519@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Clay Bond was never vulgar, or stupid, for that matter.

As a at least two-time recipient of Clay's definition of 
"Kindler, Gentler Usenet Flame Wars" the only response I
have is:
	Bullshit.

-george

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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: No Liberty Without Ethics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<18436@autodesk.COM> <1993Jan22.075753.29278@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:13:18 GMT

I'm no moral philosopher:  I'm no philosopher, and some would argue
I'm not moral.  :-)  But, that aside...

It continues to be the rage among the self-appointed "conservative"
protectors of morality to denigrate "situation ethics."  People who
ought to know better, like Bill Bennett and John Silber, as they toady
up to the right wing, attribute their perceived decline of Western
society to "situation ethics."  And while I can understand a longing
for absolutes, I don't think you're going to find them in a world of
five billion folk.  But on the other hand, I don't know if you can
develop a utilitartian kind of measure to determine what does the
greatest good for the greatest number.

Maybe what's needed is something that works well most of the time.
Neither absolutely nor optimally motivated, a set of guidelines that
work well enough fairly often would probably do.  While that wouldn't
necessarily be "situation ethics" as they're often decried, it would
be a long way from the "this is right, period" attitude the
absolutists seek.  

I think ethics will be functional, and that all of us will be better
served when we drop the pretense that there's one set of rules that
are applicable in all situations. 

--
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UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:30:09 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>C'mon, Roger -- you should know better.  I save my dogmatism
>for computers and Ursine issues.  I'd never get this wound up
>over *coffee*.  I don't even **LIKE** coffee.
>
I recall you have a rather heated opinion about "peanut butter and jelly
sammiches".  Would that be an example of computer or of ursine issues?
Seriously, George, I'd really like to know.
From: foster@convex.COM (Harry Foster)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: foster@convex.COM (Harry Foster)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: foster@magnum.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <49008@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>... I suggest that you don't walk into the room wearing commando gear, ...
>

Personally, I prefer my men wearing combat boots--or nothing at all!
Both is kinda nice too . . .

Seriously, good luck!

-- 
Harry Foster			                            foster@convex.com 
	
		Lord give me chastity--but not yet.
					-Saint Augustine (354-430)
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From: bowser@beltane.rtp.dg.com (John Bowser)
Subject: Lifting the Ban: Phone #'s to call
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:25:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation. RTP, NC.

  The National Gay and Lesbian Task force suggests these
  numbers if you would like to call and add you voice to 
  the count of people in support of President Clinton's
  efforts to lift the ban on Gays and Lesbians in the military.

  House: 202-225-3121 - ask for your Rep.
  Senate: 202-224-3121 - "

  White House Opinion Line: 202-456-1111

  Pentagon: 703-697-5737
  Col. Powell: 703-697-9121
  Air Force Chief of Staff: 703-697-9225
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Conflict on Clinton Order Story
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:31:13 GMT

In article <memo.886038@cix.compulink.co.uk>
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey) writes:
 
(material about conflicting news stories on the gay military ban...)
>
>I can only think that certain favoured media have had inside
>briefings about these draft documents and everyone else is
>waiting for the official announcements.  But, if so, its a bit
>agonising for us and shows unusual restraint by the bulk of the
>media on something I would expect them to wish to make a meal
>of...
>
(...)
>
>Looks to me like someone rather well informed, perhaps even
>committed asking the quations at that briefing.  Wonder who it
>was?
>
>Any comments?  Any other American media reporting this?
>
Congressqueer Barney Frank's niece is good friend of mine, and she told
me yesterday that Frank was getting faxes at his office on Inauguration
Day from the Clinton people about the policy -- one read, "The question
(of sexual orientation) will not be asked." She said he probably leaked
a lot of that stuff to the press. I hope that sheds a little light on
the situation...
 
Tracey
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:58:39 GMT

In article <1jmqqrINN11d@oak49.doc.ic.ac.uk> kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
>Not _all_ Brits are inclined to so destroy their tea.  I, for one,
>enjoy both tea and coffee, although which I drink is largely dependent
>on the mood I'm in an the time of day it is.

Yeah, me too, also.  It also depends on who else is likely to
be drinking what; if, for example, most present would prefer
coffee, I'm likely to brew a pot of it, even though I'd have
preferred tea somewhat, just for the convenience.  When my
current housemate moved in, I tended to drink more coffee (he
hates tea); since meeting Justin, I've drunk more coffee (he
tends to prefer tea, though partakes of coffee infrequently).

I'd far rather not use teabags, even though it's possible to
get good ones (Fortnum's Lapsang are entirely excellent);
somehow a pot of tea seems so much more welcoming.

>I take my tea quite weak, without milk.  Also, I prefer to drink a
>specific tea, e.g. Darjeeling, rather than the usual stuff that goes
>into the so-called "Great British cuppa".

Me too.  In one house I shared (Hi, Alex!) we reserved a fridge for
keeping all our varieties of tea cool; I think we had about thirty
at the maximum.  Mind you, teabags got used frequently; I seem to
remember calculating that we four had used upwards of a thousand
in the first few months of living together - but, of course,
we had many visitors who drank tea.

>(And does anyone apart from myself like lapsang souchong?)

YES!  Oh, yes!  There's a very good tarry souchong to be had
from Harrods, if you didn't know.  And - if your budget will
stretch to it - Fortnum and Mason will sell you Peachbud
Oolong.

Would you like to meet up for a cup of tea sometime? :)

				Kay

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