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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:10:09 GMT

scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:


>  C3PO and R2D2 are "obsolete" models, fairly old.  Luke's Uncle Owen (Bens
>brother in the story treatment for episode III) stated that both were old
>models and at first didn't want the R2 unit but need a translator droid,
>therefore needed C3PO.

Again, I don't think there are any "NEW" droid models around.  Most of the
technology in the Star Wars universe seems to have been around for some time.

>  R2 and C3PO in the first three episodes are property of Captain Antilles,
>whoin Episode III will give them to Ben who in turn gives them to Lady
>Skywalker to watch out for Leia.

I thought that Ben didn't remember owning any droids.

>NOTE: Just in case you didn't realize Capt. Antilles is Wedges dad.  The reason
>why Wedge survived all the battle with Luke is he will play an important role
>in the final three films.

Who sez?  You have some info that we don't?

keith

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:40:50 GMT


In a previous article, tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) says:

>
>No he didn't say that he was on a Rebel ship.  (And you say you just
>saw it again! (more annoying smileys.))  He said, and correct me if
>my memory is bad ...
>
>C3PO:  It's amazing that we're in good condition as we are, what with
>the Rebellion and all.
>
>Luke:  You know of the Rebellion agains the Empire?
>
>C3PO:  I'm afraid I'm only an interpreter, and not very good at telling
>stories.
>
>That doesn't say that 3PO was on a Rebel ship.  It just says that he's
>been exposed to fighting.  He could easily have been an Imperial drois,
>particularly with Luke's remarks that they might be stolen.  (Of course,
>he thinks they've been stolen from ObiWan, but that's beside the point.)
>

OK, my memory WAS bad.  As has been pointed out to me, I left out a
whole patch of dialogue:

Luke:  You know of the Rebellion against the Empire?

C3PO:  That's how we came to be in your service, sir, if you take my 
meaning.

Luke:  Have you seen many battles?

C3PO:  Several, I think.  But I'm only an interpreter, and not very
good at telling stories.

That's the actual dialogue, I think.  Thanks to the people who reminded
me.  It's still not explicit.  They could still have been Imperial droids,
either stolen by the Rebellion or shot down on Tatooine by it.  But I'll
admit that the implication is definitely there.

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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:46:12 GMT

In article <cPZePB8w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>It would never work.  AT-ATs would come out and stomp the crud out of the 
>sand worms. :-)

No way. Those worms are way big. They'd easily munch the AT-ATs.

				-Dave


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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:35:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug17.235445.18903@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> gene@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gene E. Johannsen) writes:
>pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>
>>Mark Hamill has done a couple of less than exciting movies (amadaus (sp?)
>
>   I doubt if he was anywhere near Amadeus, and I question your judgement
>as to its excitement.
>

He was in the stage version, not the movie.

Flip


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Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
From: Hellfiend@kcbbs.gen.nz (James Pullen)
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:09:46 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

>Probably the only one who knew besides her was her father.  It doesn't
>seem like the secret of his recluse would have gotten far beyond them, 
>or Ben would have been killed a long time ago....
 
heh...seems to me if Leia's FATHER knew where Ben was, he would have 
been killed a long time ago... :)

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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:07:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.160409.9631@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>two questions:
>
>1) how come darth vader can not be hurt by a blaster (ala Han Solo in 
>ESB) but CAN be hurt by a light saber in ROTJ????  

Probably Luke was stronger in Force when he had a little light saber
match with Vader Dude...?
>
>2) how many other people were really bugged by the way Boba Fett died???
>he was such a great character, i could accept his death if it had
>been more valient....instead it was so pathetic!!!!

I probably end up with mailbox filled up with flames, but I really
wonder why all of you make so big thing about this one guy. In my
opinion Boba Fett was only 'small guy' who was just lucky to catch Han
& The Crew. In my opinion there were only two good scenes of Fett in
the Star Wars - and both in ROTJ. First one was the small nod to Leia
in Jabba's palace (Leia had just negotiated Chewie's price with the
help of the bomb) and the second was the scene where he was eaten by
Sarlacc. 

(no smiley's included)

>b) didn't jabba's court just riek of muppets????? god, i was just
>waiting for kermit and miss piggy.

Lucas would've faced too many questions like 'How on earth those two
could be there in the galaxy far, far away??!??!' if he'd put Kermit &
Miss Piggy to there:-)
>
>ok, now that i got that off my chest...i loved ESB!!!
>
>ANH is by far the greatest movie ever made....just that i really hated
>ROTJ (maybe cuz my expectations were so high )

In my mind, ESB is the best SW movie, ANH second and ROTJ third - ROTJ
being in a galaxy far, far away from ESB and ANH:-)

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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:44:22 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune

In article <1992Aug11.153144.28777@dgbt.doc.ca>, serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah
Hee) says:
>
>With all this SW vs ST, how about some thought on Sw vs. Dune? How about
>a coupe of sand worms to pulverize a couple of imperial bases heh heh heh.
>Or see Paul Atreides yell at Darth Vader to death.

It was done already a bunch of weeks ago....=P

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From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: question + ROTJ FLAME
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:04:09 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

two questions:

1) how come darth vader can not be hurt by a blaster (ala Han Solo in 
ESB) but CAN be hurt by a light saber in ROTJ????  

2) how many other people were really bugged by the way Boba Fett died???
he was such a great character, i could accept his death if it had
been more valient....instead it was so pathetic!!!!

god! i'm bugged about the whole ROTJ movie!!!! it really ruined the
trilogy!!!

heck, while i'm at it.....FLAME ON!!!!

stuff about ROTJ that i didn't like....

a) i was expecting a really evil Jabba the Hut that would be a worthy
fiend who would even scare han solo from across the galaxy.

instead, we get a pathetic giant slug who gets strangled in the most
boring fight scene in any movies...capped off with the pathetic death
of the best villan this side of darth vader, boba fett!!!

b) didn't jabba's court just riek of muppets????? god, i was just
waiting for kermit and miss piggy.

c) i didn't even cheer when Jabba died like i did when the death star
blew up in ANH...i just yawned and hoped the rest of the movie would
pick up.

d) i hated how the eperor died...i was expecting some great fight scene
where we could get a good look at the emperor's powers up close and 
personal like...instead, he gets tossed down a shaft and dies....

how could that putz have ever conquered a galaxy and wiped out the
jedi knights?????

e) don't even get me started on the ewoks....

FLAME OFF


ok, now that i got that off my chest...i loved ESB!!!

ANH is by far the greatest movie ever made....just that i really hated
ROTJ (maybe cuz my expectations were so high )
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:10:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug17.141041.721
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Aug17.000043.5385@cs.unca.edu>
mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Okay, Carrie Fisher has managed to stay in the public's eye
>with acting and writing. Harrison Ford is the best actor
>in Hollywood now. The guy who did Vader's voice shows up 
>everywhere.
>
>But what happened to Mark Hammil!? He was on the Muppets once, but
>what else has he done? Is he directing now or something?
>Retired? Converted to Islam? :)
>
>He was the *star*, argueably, after all. :)
>
>Scott


Mark Hamill has done a couple of less than exciting movies (amadaus (sp?)
but mostly has been doing stage work (i.e. broadway plays, etc) and keeping
to himself.  He can more than afford to take it easy for that point. He
also appeared in an episode of the ill-fated (and badly written) FLASH on
CBS as a mad villian type joker....

Otherwise, he keeps to himself, enjoying the priovacy of his new home...

Dave
From: U51115@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Bubba Fett
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:35:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92230.133524U51115
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


        It seems to me that I'm not the only one who seems to think that Fetts
death was stupid if not tragic. Of all the characters in Star Wars Trilogy,
Fett was the most interesting and likable character of them all. It's a shame
that the writers felt that he had to die because they could've capitolized
bigtime with his character. They could've even made a movie about him. I don't
even care if he's in the next generation, I just wished they would've involved
him more in the trilogies than just "cameo" appearances. Oh, and by the way,
here's some free advice. Never die with a pickle up your ass. It looks real bad
.
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.210504.22142@vlsisj.uucp> barnes_m@skipper.vlsiphx writes:
>In article 1671@leland.Stanford.EDU, mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:

>>Boba Fett raises his blaster as if to fry him (Chewie) but 
>>Vader stops him.  Any opinions as to why?


>Vader had his own plans for Leia and Chewie and didn't want Boba Fett to interfere with them.  They might have wanted them to use in turning Luke to the Dark side.  Killing them in front of Luke might make him lose himself to hate.
>
>Just a thought ....

I think this idea is my favorite.  Vader seems like the kind of guy that would
not want to waste valuable resources like Leia and Chewie.



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From: talcott@Apple.COM (Adam Talcott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Wondering about Splinter of...
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:03:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Aug11.234949.548@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>What exactly did they do in torturing Leia,
>during ANH, on the Death Star?  Is there a standard torture procedure that the
>Imperials follow or is it whatever torture comes to their twisted minds next?

There is an interesting scene in the Star Wars radio series detailing Vader's
psychological torture of Leia.  Since it's been many years since I've listened
to it, I don't remember all the details of the scene, but I'll try to describe
what I remember (it is perhaps the most intense scene in the series.)

The torture robot (with the needle) that we see entering Leia's cell in
"Star Wars" is used to inject Leia with some sort of drug that forces her to
experience whatever physical or mental pain Vader describes.  For example,
towards the end of the scene, Vader tells Leia that her body is being consumed
by fire and Leia actually feels pain consistent with this.

I don't remember any of the details, but the bottom line is that it was a
psychological torture much different from what Han went through on Cloud City.
Of course, I'm sure Lando didn't have a torture robot hanging around, so Vader
had to improvise.
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:09:42 GMT


In a previous article, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) says:


[Lots'a stuff deleted for brevity.  Points referenced in discussion
below.]

>So, all the clues in the first movie point to the fact that Ben and Owen are
>NOT siblings.
>
>It is unmistakeably stated in Jedi, though, that Ben send Luke to live with
>Ben's "brother."  I think that this is a discrepancy on Lucas' or the writer's
>part.  This totally contradicts what is stated in teh first movie.

Not at all. 

1)  Last names:  The Jedi were hunted almost to extinction.  Would
you not change your name if it so clearly identified you as the 
relative of one?  Granted, the reasoning is different, but if it
were 1949, wouldn't you change your last name if it were "Hitler"?

2)  Owen being a Force-Sensitive:  We don't know that everyone in a
Force-Sensitive family is capable of using the Force.  It could be
a recessive gene, something that needs to be developed and wasn't,
a freak mutation (no bad connotations intended), who knows?  He could
even have been slightly Force Sensitive and avoided showing it for
the reasons stated above.

3)  Owen being Luke's "uncle":  Don't you have any fake Uncles and
Aunts?  Besides, you don't want the kid to grow up thinking he's
been TOTALLY abandoned by his family.  

4)  Things being said in ANH:  Nobody, but nobody, actually came out
and said that Owen was Anakin Skywalker's brother.  Even Beru's
comment talks only about Luke's father.  No relationship is mentioned.

5)  Age:  It's not unusual for siblings to be that separated.

6)  Claiming to not know "Obi-Wan":  Has absolutely no bearing on the
argument.  Was lying, for the reasons already stated.

----  TJ

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:27:16 GMT


In a previous article, darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy) says:

>
>My friend and I were just wondering who would in a fight, Darth Vader
>or Boba Fett.  Also, why do you think that Darth/Boba would win?

Vader would just "strangle" him and that would be the end of it.

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: The Star Wars that could have been
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:31:14 GMT


I just got The Star Wars Portfolio at a toy show, and saw some
intresting things in it. Some stuff was new to me, and may be to you
so I thought I would share the discoverys. These are all early
concepts of what could have been.


R2-D2 was to be a small tripod which would move by throwing one leg
outward and pitching itself forward like a man on crutches. But the
problems of getting R2-D2 to move in that manner couldn't be solved,
so he had to be made to glide forward or hobble about.

The sandcrawler was originally to have a front scoop that moved up and
down like a present day garbage truck. Also in an earlier concept the
crawler was to be hit with falling rocks from a cliff above. The rocks
cause the crawler to be knocked off track, and R2 and 3PO were to
escape during the commotion. The idea of restraining bolts had not
been thought up yet.

The charector which eventually became Luke was to be a female
charector.

The idea of the seeker which Luke used to train in lightsaber technics
was originally a kind of free floating policeman, which would locate
and execute enemies of the Empire.

Targeting devices in the Imperial ships, originally showed the
locations of enemy ships around him, like a kind of radar screen. In
the movie we clearly see the sreen shows only the target in front of
the ship.

While escaping the Death Star Leia was to be unconscience and carried
by Chewbacca. Han was to have a beard, with a blue outfit and a cape.
Also Han, and Stormtroopers all cariied and fought with lightsabers.
Troopers also carried large sheilds.

Luke and Darth Vader were to have a lightsaber duel aboard the Rebel
Blockade Runner, soon after Vader captured the ship. Luke would be
wearing a kind of breathing mask, since the attack on the ship caues
the air supply to escape. Also Vader carried a blaster along with the
lightsaber.

The Death Star was to have a large open core. It would act as the
laser cannon, a large power source, accelerators and condensers would
all collect around the core, focus their energy, and fire out through
the bottom. At other times, spacecraft could come and go through the
top.

Ben Kenobi was originally intended to be alive at the end of the film.
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From: v118jxyk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Live Fast, Die Young!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR ILM BOOK
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <tim.713607529@marsh>, tim@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Tim Telcik) writes...
>I am chasing a copy of book dealing with behind the scenes at ILM (can't
>remember the exact title).
>If anyone knows of this ellusive book, could you please quote a price.
>The cost in OZ is about $160 buckeroos. A bit on the steep side.
>If possible I would like to take this one step further and organise with
>someone (possibly in US) to post a copy over if the cost is not too high
>in $AUS.

	I got a copy of the book about a year ago, and the price for it then
was $75(american).  The cover was a little beat-up, and I asked the owner of the
store(waldenbooks) if they could order a new one, and they said that the book
was out of print.  Anyway, it was the last one in the store, so I took it, but
I haven't seen it anywhere else since.

					Jason
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From: is430a13@umbc5.umbc.edu (is430a13)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:44:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.234750.5201@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>: >My friend and I were just wondering who would in a fight, Darth Vader
>: >or Boba Fett.  Also, why do you think that Darth/Boba would win?
>: 
>: Vader would just "strangle" him and that would be the end of it.
>
>Well, I beg to differ - Fett's corps were involved in fighting
>Jedi once upon a time in the Clone Wars.
>
>I suspect the armor and training he received as part of it would
>give him some protection against the Jedi tricks -- just like
>Jabba had some immunity to 'Jedi mind tricks'.
>
>Fett could probably hold his own against Vader -- why else would he
>go aboard the Executor to talk business? He hasn't stayed #1 by being
>careless.
>
>Scott
>
>


Fett had guts, but I still don't think a bounty hunter, even one as well
armed as Fett, would stand much of a chance against a dark lord.


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From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Force Rising
Keywords: NO SPOILERS!
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:38:35 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

DFR has _just_ been released in hardback form here in the UK - paperback
should follow in a couple of months.  Just how far behind the rest of the
world are we here?  Could someone in the states let us know how long DFR
has been out in the US, and is it in paperback over there already?

Thanks,

Simon

(I've read the first page and it looks good to me!)


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