HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Pertinence
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:58:08 GMT
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

To what does this stuff pertain?

Excerpts from netnews.alt.great-lakes:
    7-Oct-92 MAN LOOKING FOR WOMAN TO CO..by Christine Haas@cae.wisc. 

> I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
> with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
> access.)

What the hell is this?  Desparation?  This guy is SAD.  Look at the evidence:

guy seeks girl + wants penpal + ONLY PLUTONICLY INTERESTED = not!

Yea, girls write so much differently than guys that a penpal guy just
wouldn't cut it.  Sheesh!  And OF COURSE this applies to n.a.g-l doesn't
it?  (sarchasm implied).  Isn't there a netnews.alt.forlorn.male board out
there to post on?  Lets talk about cool things like WISCONSIN, not someone's
hard-up brother who just wants a friend.  What is this world coming to?

Then there's this crap:

Excerpts from netnews.alt.great-lakes:
     7-Oct-92 Please Help by Kingsley Morse@hpwrce.ma 

>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
> 
> 1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
> ...

What the hell is this?  Now the nation wants the "great lakes voice" on the
ERA?  How ridiculous!

LOOK, YOU SILLY CROSS-POSTING LOSERS (YES, I KNOW I'M YELLING)!  STOP POSTING
IRRELEVANT AND NON-GREAT-LAKES STUFF ON OUR BOARD OR WE'LL FIND YOU AND FILL
YOUR MAILBOX WITH 10-MEG BINARY FILES.  HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT, EH?  STOP
POSTING ALL THIS EXTRANEOUS CRAP HERE, IT ANNOYS US!  GET LIVES!  MAKE YOUR
OWN BOARD IF THERE'S NOT ONE THAT FITS YOUR NEEDS.  JUST GO AWAY!!!

OK, deep breath.  I feel better now.  It *does* bother me, though.

Chris.


                                                 __
                                                / / /  _  * _
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                                            Christopher Ryan Stengel
                                                stengel@cmu.edu
                                           Carnegie Mellon University
                                                 (412) 268-8372
From: jpl@bambam.uucp (Jim Leege)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Potawatami Park MI
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:07:52 GMT
Organization: ESL, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <16100003@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> ellen@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Ellen Osinski) writes:
>
>The Potawatomi Trail is in Pinkney Rec Area.  It is an 11 mile (or is it 17
>miles??) loop trail through Pinkney.  It was a popular hiking trail and
>I do not know if bikes are permitted.
>

17 Miles long, it wanders beside shallow lakes, bogs, and streams bountiful
with cattails and reeds, sunfish, bluegills and painted turtles... tracking
the undulations and crenulations of moraines dredged and deposited, we are
told, by vast sheets of arctic ice long gone, now populated by groves of
maples, oaks and cedars... pressing onward along rusty barbed wire fencerows,
across grassy fields of goldenrods, buttercups, indian paintbrushes and
the blackberry brambles, sumac and poplars of the encroaching woodland...
blazed by Boy Scouts several decades ago, following, one might imagine, the
faint traces of ancient Indian mocassin-paths, uniting them in the great,
wide ring named picturesquely, mysteriously, provocatively, the Potawatomi...
a microcosm, a concentrated dosage of all that's best in rural Michigan.

I hiked or skied the trail as often as once per week during my eight years 
in Ann Arbor (the Golden Years), but that ended six years ago when my career
took me west (the Trail of Tears).  Bicycles were being allowed on the trail
when I moved away, but they were starting to make quite a mess of it, so the
policy may have changed since then.  I feel strongly about not allowing bikes
on the trail because several times I encountered snakes stretched out on it
sunning themselves, snakes that I probably would not have been able to avoid
running over had I been riding a bike.  One snake was a massasauga, the only
one I've ever seen.  We didn't notice each other until I had almost stepped
on it, and we both got the scare of our lives!  He started rattling quite
vigorously and lost no time slithering off into the underbrush.

--Jim Leege (Cheboygan H.S. '78, Univ. of Michigan '83)
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Pertinence
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:24:58 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <wep8H0y00UzxI3Wqsa@andrew.cmu.edu> cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel) writes:
>LOOK, YOU SILLY CROSS-POSTING LOSERS (YES, I KNOW I'M YELLING)!  STOP POSTING
>IRRELEVANT AND NON-GREAT-LAKES STUFF ON OUR BOARD OR WE'LL FIND YOU AND FILL
>YOUR MAILBOX WITH 10-MEG BINARY FILES.  HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT, EH?  STOP
>POSTING ALL THIS EXTRANEOUS CRAP HERE, IT ANNOYS US!  GET LIVES!  MAKE YOUR
>OWN BOARD IF THERE'S NOT ONE THAT FITS YOUR NEEDS.  JUST GO AWAY!!!
>
>OK, deep breath.  I feel better now.  It *does* bother me, though.

   Now all you have to do is realize that this is a newsgroup, not a
"board" (or base, or bbs, or area, or room...).
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: tom@onyx.dartmouth.edu (Thomas Richard Erbe)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Geese at Horicon Marsh
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:11:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Music Dept., Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


I'll be visiting Wisconsin near the end of October...  Is this a good time
to see the geese at horicon marsh???

--
Tom Erbe * Technical Director * Center for Contemporary Music * Mills College
     tom@mills.edu * Mills College, Oakland, CA  94613 * (510) 430-2191
Xref: sparky alt.great-lakes:761 misc.wanted:8886 alt.personals.poly:199
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes,misc.wanted,alt.personals.poly
Subject: MAN LOOKING FOR WOMAN TO CORRESPOND WITH
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:56:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hi,

I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
access.)

He is 29 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 6' tall, and being
his little sister, I have no clue how much he weighs.  

He wants to write letters to someone on the basis of a friendship.

If you are interested, please e-mail me and I will tell you more
and give you his address.

Thanks.

Chris.  :)
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Need Info on Lansing Area
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:08:08 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: lakia@ipact.com
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Need Info on Lansing Area
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:53:45 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <BvMLpM.64p@sju.edu>, mctague@sju.edu (Brendan McTague) writes:
> My wife-to-be will be attending law school in the area next year and I
> need to know any and all info about Jobs (technical/computer related),
> headhunters, and living expenses. I am extremely interested in rental
> agencies and job leads.
>
>     PLEASE HELP
>
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Brendan
>

So are we talking about Lansing, MI (Coolee Law School), or
Lansing, IL and Chicago?

I believe Lansing, MI is the location being mentioned. I live in E. Lansing and
work for MSU. Depending on where you want to live in Lansing, I can only
comment on certain sections of lansing. The computer field in this area is
doing well, anything else sucks. Apts in Lansing, are way cheaper than e. lans
The closer you come to MSU the higher the prices for everything.

As for rental agencies are you looking for house, apt., condo? Nightlife...
what nightlife. Not much in the way of dance bars....Usa Cafe pretty good, but
it gets boring week after week. Sensations......don't waste your time here
nothing but college freshmen and sophomores...maybe some juniors. You would
probably have to drive to Detroit, to find a good dance club. Other than that
there are some really great restaurants in and around lansing.
Hope this helps...let me know if you need more specificsq

Lisa
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:14:32 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
Female             [ ]

6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
19 to 65           [ ]
Over 65            [ ]

7.) What religion are you?
Protestant         [ ]
Catholic           [ ]
Jewish             [ ]
Other              [ ]

8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
Democratic         [ ]
Republican         [ ]
Other              [ ]

9.) How many years of education have you completed?
Grade School       [ ]
High School        [ ]
College            [ ]
More               [ ]
From: sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Geese at Horicon Marsh
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:10:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

tom@onyx.dartmouth.edu (Thomas Richard Erbe) asked if October is a good time
for geesing in the Horicon Marsh (south-central Wisconsin).

I don't know about late October.  But, every time I drive past the marsh over
the Thanksgiving holiday, the sky is thick with 'em!  Because of the early
cold weather this year, the corn will probably be harvested earlier than
normal.  Thus, the geese might be gleening the fields earlier this year.

I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing the flying spectacular again
this year!

Steve
From: lakia@ipact.com
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Need Info on Lansing Area
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:53:45 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <BvMLpM.64p@sju.edu>, mctague@sju.edu (Brendan McTague) writes:
> My wife-to-be will be attending law school in the area next year and I 
> need to know any and all info about Jobs (technical/computer related),
> headhunters, and living expenses. I am extremely interested in rental
> agencies and job leads.
> 
>     PLEASE HELP
> 
> 
> Thanks for your time.
> 
> Brendan
> 

So are we talking about Lansing, MI (Coolee Law School), or
Lansing, IL and Chicago?   
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.133727.9216@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>In article <16250001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:

>>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

>  What's this got to do with alt.great-lakes?

And, why is Hewlett-Packard interested?
-- 
	Don't waste your time waving your hands
	and hoping when a rock or a club will do.

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:55:29 GMT
Reply-To: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 1688677@locus.com, jpaul@locus.com (James Hensley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.185109.17729@exu.ericsson.se> exudnw@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>>As far as I can see, there's *no* decent choice for president this time.
>
>There hasn't been for 12 years.
>
>James
>-- 
>
>jpaul@locus.com  | ..ucsd!lccsd!jpaul   :  all views expressed are mine.
>Clouds filled with blood rain on the water
>While Nightime's fingers clench the light shut...

Why stop there? Who's the last democrat you *trusted*? Jimmy Carter?
Lyndon Johnson?  This is the first time in decades the democratic
party has someone that is even *nearly* mainstream and he's of shady
character.

The republicans have had the last 12 years in the presidency.  Is it their
fault the democrats have nominated dweebs and loosers?  The only thing I 
dislike more than whiners is whiners who wrongly place blame on others.  
If you dislike the republicans, elect someone else and quit whining about
"There hasn't been for 12 years."

Clinton's remarks about support have already convinced this NCP.  I may not 
vote *for* anyone, but I'll vote *against* him.

---
= exudnw@exu.ericsson.se                                                =
= David Williams              "You can't win, you can't break even,     =
= Ericsson Network Systems     and you can't quit"                      =
= Richardson, TX 75081                                  my opinions...  =
From: sga@cray.com (Steven G. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:47:32 GMT
Reply-To: sga@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article 17729@exu.ericsson.se, exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams) writes:
>
>The only frightening thing here is how many folks are willing to apologize
>for Slick Willie's own words.  Bush & Perot may lie on occasion, but at least 
>they stick to one after they let it out.  Billy Boy keeps getting his foot
>caught in his mounth as he "remembers" different versions depending on who's
>listening. They are *all* corrupt in some way or another - stop idolizing
>Clinton just because you think he's "clean" and of like mind. Clinton's 
>pandering to his audience on "father's responsibility" is just one more 
>eason for me to suspect his motives.
>
>As far as I can see, there's *no* decent choice for president this time.

And ol' George always refers to things in gender neutral terms, right?  Just
like he did last night in the debate when he referred to "Deadbeat fathers",
right?

Don't make your choice of President on a single issue.  That makes you no better
than the religious right whose sole basis for supporting a candidate is his/her
view on abortion.  Sometimes in politics we have to make compromises that we
don't particularly like for the good of the country.  I can't remember an election
when almost everyone wasn't saying that neither candidate was any good.  I heard
a quote this morning from Goldwater at the '64 convention which I had forgotton
about, but it symbolizes what the Republicans have become.  The quote is "Extremism
in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the defense of justice is no
virtue."  The keys here are extremism and moderation.  The Republicans the last
28 years have esposed this philosophy to the detriment of the country as a whole.
Trickle down economics is an utter failure, just as it was in the 1920's.

From your comments, it is obvious that you would not like Clinton regardless of
his usage of gender.  That's fine, but admit it.  Don't hide behind a single
issue.

Steve Anderson
Xref: sparky alt.dads-rights:2439 alt.child-support:3471 soc.couples:3904 soc.men:17530 misc.legal:18395
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,misc.legal
Subject: JD != "lawyer" (was: What a Problem!!!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Oct8.030548.4916@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, 
noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
> [summarizing comments by Anne Mitchell, JD (for all you non-legal
> eagles out there, JD stands for "Juris Doctoris" - lawyer)

Nit-pick alert, but JD means only that the individual has obtained a law 
degree, not that the individual is a lawyer.  It's possible to get through 
law school, and never take (or take and never pass) the bar exam, and 
therefore not be a lawyer.

No, I am _not_ implying that Anne didn't pass; I'm sure she has, and I hope 
she lets us know when the results come back (next month?).

Now, if someone gets a JD in May, takes the Bar in June, and is told they 
passed in November, at what point is it correct to say that that person is a 
lawyer?  When she took the exam (after all, she's done all she can to satisfy 
the requirements at that point), or getting the results?


Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:12:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Pro Male Legislation
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights

kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:

> California Senator Charles Calderone 
> and Mr. Kelly Jensen are drafting pro-
> male legislation. Kelly (and perhaps 
> Senator Calderone) will be in San Jose
> soon to meet with interested folks. 
> This is a chance to change the system.

  What pro-male legislation is being drafted?

> Here's what you can do to help:
> 
>	1.) Bring interested women	
>	2.) Make or bring a mailing list
>	3.) Cooperate toward a consensus
>	4.) Prepare to legislate in January

  Just out of curiosity, why just women in 1.)?
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,misc.legal
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 20:40:16 GMT

In article <39275@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1b56k7INNqf6@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>+not a "lawyer" until one is admitted to a bar to practice in the
>+courts of that state.  Actually, this is a fuzzy area it seems..nobody
>
>Practice? I'd thought you'd have some skill after all that study.
>But is it a requirement to represent someone to be a lawyer?
>
>Maybe it is practice and that's the reason for the fuzzyness, no one
>knows for sure when you've made it.
>-- 
>
>John Clark
>jclark@ucsd.edu

	Boy, the bullets are flying at Annie again!  And I haven't
	even reloaded!

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: sga@cray.com (Steven G. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:28:16 GMT
Reply-To: sga@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article 4p9@cs.psu.edu, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>Who needs to hide?  Clinton, Bush and "H-R-None-Of-The-Above" have arguably 
>good points and arguably bad points, but this group is alt.dads-rights.
>Clinton, so far, has been the most outspoken anti-father candidate.
>
Bush doesn't have to speak out, his actions speak louder than any of his
words.  And then of course there is the aspiring Ayatollah Buchanan who
was allowed to speak at the convention.  His definition of "family" is mom,
dad, and two kids.  Mom stays home, dad works.  If they get divorced mom gets
the kids, child support, and lifetime alimony.

My point, which you obviously missed, is that people should not choose their
President on the basis of a single issue.  I certainly can't, and won't, stop
people from doing so, but IMHO they are doing a great disservice to themselves
and to the country as a whole.

As bad as the situation currently is for fathers, it is not the most pressing
issue on the national agenda, and neither is abortion.  IMHO the most pressing
issues are economics and health care.  Solve the economic problems and the
pressure to go after men for child support will lessen since more men will have
good jobs and will be able to pay.  Then we can attack the gender bias in the
courts without any additional emotional side issues.  That is not to say that
we shouldn't be attempting to address those issues in the mean time, just that
it will be easier once society pays for the greed and corruption of the 1980's.

Steve Anderson
Xref: sparky alt.dads-rights:2442 alt.child-support:3474 soc.couples:3907 soc.men:17569 misc.legal:18455
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,misc.legal
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:47:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dads-rights
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1b56k7INNqf6@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
+not a "lawyer" until one is admitted to a bar to practice in the
+courts of that state.  Actually, this is a fuzzy area it seems..nobody

Practice? I'd thought you'd have some skill after all that study.
But is it a requirement to represent someone to be a lawyer?

Maybe it is practice and that's the reason for the fuzzyness, no one
knows for sure when you've made it.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: mezynski@musicman.rtp.dg.com (Ed Mezynski)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: request references
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:37:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

I am about to enter into mediation with my ex-wife about visitation.  Can 
anyone point me to some good reference material extolling the benefits 
of having an active, particpating father for children of divorce.  Right now,
every time I try to see my kids outside of what is written in the divorce 
decree I get nothing but greif.
thanks,
ed mezynski

	
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: request references
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:54:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.153730.25824@dg-rtp.dg.com> mezynski@musicman.rtp.dg.com (Ed Mezynski) writes:
>I am about to enter into mediation with my ex-wife about visitation.  Can 
>anyone point me to some good reference material extolling the benefits 
>of having an active, particpating father for children of divorce.  Right now,
>every time I try to see my kids outside of what is written in the divorce 
>decree I get nothing but greif.
>thanks,
>ed mezynski
>
>	
Ed, read "Adult Children of Divorce" I forget the author, but it is a 
very good publication.