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From: librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik)
Subject: Re: question re: word
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:54:04 GMT

mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon) writes:

>fsjtm@acad3.alaska.edu (McCranie John T) writes:
>: In article <27826@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes...
>: >rbv@cypress.com writes:
>: >>monet@carson.u.washington.edu (Diana Smith) writes:
>: >>	Does anyone know what the world "minstrel" is in Celtic - or Gaelic?
>: > 
>: >Foclo/ir Po/ca gives "oirfideach" which I have never seen in any
>: >context in my limited exposure to Irish.  Then of course there's
>: >"bard", but a bard & a minstrel are not quite the same thing
>: >to me.
>: 
>what about "seanchai" pronounounced shah-nah-khee

A shanachie is a story-teller, isn't it?  Not a musician.

>My son was named Seanachi (unintentional misspelling due to ignorance)
>when he was born 5 years ago.

I think that pretty well answers the earlier question in soc.culture.british
about kids' names in America (both the US and Canada).

I was under the impression that a shanachie is basically a windbag, though
perhaps a talented one.  Here's hoping your son won't live up to his name.

>I suspect the real answer to this question is that there are several
>"correct" terms depending on what historical time period and cultural
>milieu is focused on. i.e seanchai, bard, oirfideach, faith, etc...

'bardd' is Welsh, isn't it?  or is there an Irish 'bard'?

- David Librik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Cromwell
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:58:51 EST

In article <jyc.724308049@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>
>   I remember when travelling around Ireland we kept being told things
>like, "There used to be the oldest abbey in the county here until
>Cromwell's soldier's destroyed it," and "This was the most important
>town this side of Dublin until Cromell burned it," and "In the old days
>this was the finest farmland in this island until Cromwell came." I
>don't know much about history, but the impression I got was that this
>Cromwell guy must have been the biggest asshole in the history of the
>world.

Well, he did destroy much of Ireland and slaughtered many, even after
his generals promised amnesty to all who surrendered. But I always
thought he was vilified in England as that "damned revolutionary" and
"Puritan king". Especially after William III's reign solidified the
Anglican Church as the official state church, confining the Puritans 
to the fringes of religious life (and excluding them from power).

Chris
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: What is sago?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:34:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
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This may not be the appropriate place to post this but I don't
think the foods net will help.

I have a cookbook called "Recipes from the Orkney Islands" published
in 1978.  One of the recipes for a tomato soup calls for something
called sago.  I've never heard of it.  Can someone help?

Thank you and Happy Christmas.

Evelyn
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From: dstine@cisco.com (David Stine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Date: 19 Dec 1992 09:10:57 GMT
Organization: 9th Flying Pig Combat Squadron
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In article <1992Dec17.163235.20638@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mousseau@convex.cl.msu.edu (normand mousseau) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.032451.9474@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>[Now crossposted to soc.culture.canada]
>>
>>Of the 10,000 troops in Somalia, about 900 will be Canadian in a
>>week or so, the rest being to my knowledge French Legionaires and US.
>>-- 
>	Could you believe that I read the New York Times almost everyday
>and listen to the news and everything but I have NEVER heard about the
>Canadian help in Florida.  Being Canadian, I would have sure noticed that.
>
>	Of course, the Canadian presence in Somalia has not been mentionned
>neither here in the U.S.  Talk about a country opened on the world!

And you'll likely not read about things like this in the NY Times. What you
have to understand about the NY Times is that they print the items that fit
their agenda, not the items which are considered news. Sadly, this has become
all too true for many other press organs in the US. The print what sells
papers. Canadians are not one of their target audiences.

dsa



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From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: UK unemployment figures
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:46:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Dec18.153233.14477@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>Real question: do you know what the median incomes are for these
>regions, or standards of living?
>
Oh easy. The standard of living when taking into account
average costs against average income is by far the lowest in
south-east England due to much higher housing costs there. In
fact, when I have raised this issue before, the answer has
always been "oh but look at how many jobs you have going down
there".

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Scotland Demands Democracy!
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:03:06 GMT


In article <29297.9212161329@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spxsjm@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr S J Morris 92) writes...
>In article <1992Dec14.180127.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cabr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>|    This may be news to Netters. The BBC did not mention it on a national
>|level. The Times was not aware of it today. This is all proof of the
>|manipulation of the truth to keep Britain English. BTW I was once in favour of
>|the Union. 
>|    I would be interested to hear of notification of this turning point in 
>|Scottish politics. Has anyone heard of it in the "UK" papers. If so how much?
>|
>|
>|Karl Stephen (Active member of the non-affiliated punters party).
> 
>I saw it covered on the main news, but I can't remember if that was the
>BBC News at 9 o'clock or the ITN News at Ten.
> 
>By the way, how many seats in Parliament does the SNP have? How does it
>compare with the four held by Plaid Cymru, out of a far smaller total?
> 
> 
 The SNP has 3 seats out of 72, but got approx 25% of the Scottish vote.

	Craig

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From: pt@curie.lif.icnet.uk (Paul Taylor <pt@acl.icnet.uk>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: UK unemployment figures
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:08:08 -0000
Organization: Imperial Cancer Research Fund
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>Oh, come on, this is very feeble. In my experience, the sort of
>Scot or northerner who emigrates to the south-east is likely to
>be the educated professional person who moves south to get a
>well-paid job and then adds to the figures of the supposed
>wealthy south. Yes, there is a professional class which looks
>at the whole UK as its job market, and tends to find more jobs
>in the south-east. But all this means to real southerners is
>that there are a lot of grotty service jobs serving these our
>lords and masters.

I suggest you do something to broaden your experience. Venture into Cardboard
City. Or just catch the Glasgow train on a Friday night.




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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Queen Elizabeth II of...
Date: 20 Dec 1992 02:32:25 GMT
Organization: What's an Organization?
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In article <28084@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>(What do you suppose this has to do with "The story of the Scottish
>flag"?)

Nothing now, I've changed the 'Subject' line.


>
>Fragano Ledgister writes:
>#>Christopher R. Dunlea writes:
>#>>Barbados, too, was in full swing as a sugar slave island by the 1590's
>#>>because we know that the prisoners of the failed Revolt of the Earls 
>#>>in Ireland spent the rest of their lives in what was sardonically referred
>#>>to as "New Ireland"  because of the high number of indentured Irish
>#>>sugar workers. 
>
>#>Your statement about Barbados is rather odd, given that according to
>#>by the way, they did not come into 'full swing as ... sugar slave
>#>island[s]' until the 1640s. [I don't have my standard text for West
>
>Most of the very thin coverage of this peculiar settling of Barbados
>&al that I have managed to find, sets it in Cromwellian times.

Which would be rather odd, given that Admiral Blake had to take the
island from the Cavaliers (Prince Rupert sought refuge there). The
settlement of Barbados took place under Charles I.


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From: ulick@michaelangelo.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: British interference in U.S. elections
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.162300.28620@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>
>Even this might be by-passed by appealling to the jury. Did a couple of
>juries in the recent past acquit (sp?) someone despite the fact that the
>judge advised them to convict?

Under basic Common Law that is the basis of UK and US systems, jurors are
supposed to find not just on the basis of the law, but should also judge the
law based on their conscience.  Judges like telling juries how to find but
what they are doing is wrong.  For instance if I was to be on a jury
for a drug case or whatever other anti freedom law that is so loved
in supposedly free societies, I would be bound by my conscience to find not
guilty.  And an official secrets act case... It is hard to see how members of 
the general public could find a guilty verdict unless they were bullied by
the state .

Also, being aware of this fact and saying so during selection, is probably
a good escape given the desire by lawyers to have sheep on the jury. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: kelley@sanders.lockheed.com (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Cromwell
Reply-To: kelley@sanders.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc., Nashua, NH
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:12:39 GMT

In article 5106@massey.ac.nz, news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
>--Cromwell wrath lives on----
>
>
> *******************************************
> Eamonn Gormley,  E-mail, E.P.Gormley@massey.ac.nz 
> *******************************************

Speaking of Cromwell living on.....

The Irish rock group the "Pogues" have a little song about Cromwell called
"Ned of the Hill" on their Peace&Love album.  Mostly refers to raparees
and the forced push westard to Connacht. 
Pogues- "To hell or Connacht, may you burn in hell tonight......"


Sean



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From: coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:26:37 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <kspeicht.82.724595875@kilcom1.ucis.dal.ca> kspeicht@kilcom1.ucis.dal.ca (Kevin F. Speichts) writes:
>
>
>	Wasn't the whole concept of "Peace Keeping" set up in the UN by a 
>Canadian?  I believe the CBC had a special on this person a while back.  I 
>can't remember his name though.  I think he was a professor at McGill.

	The use of UN forces for peacekeeping was proposed by Lester B.
Pearson (amongst others), for which he shared a Nobel Peace prize.  You
are probably referring to one of the authors of the UN's Universal Charter
of Human Rights (I expect I've bungled the title somewhat) which was 
originally cobbled together by a Professor Humphreys (again, I'm not
sure of his name) from McGill.  Interestingly, one of the members of the
committee responsible for this, a French human-rights activist, claimed
to have authored the document and was awarded the Nobel Peace prize for    
this achievement.  Only recently was the original document unearthed and
found to be in the McGill professor's handwriting.

Mike Coady
COADY@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8272 soc.culture.canada:9464
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:52:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Dec17.163235.20638@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mousseau@convex.cl.msu.edu (normand mousseau) writes:
*
*	Of course, the Canadian presence in Somalia has not been mentionned
*neither here in the U.S.  Talk about a country opened on the world!
*
*		Normand 

Perhaps they NYT isn't as good as you think.  I have heard about the 
Canadian forces even in the lowly San Jose Mercury News.

-- archer
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From: mousseau@convex.cl.msu.edu (normand mousseau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:32:35 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, East Lansing

In article <1992Dec17.032451.9474@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>[Now crossposted to soc.culture.canada]
>
>Under the circumstances, I can't resist pointing out that the next mission
>of one of the three ships we sent to the gulf was a relief mission to aid
>our southern neighbours by rebuilding hurricane devastated schools in
>Florida.
>
>Of the 10,000 troops in Somalia, about 900 will be Canadian in a
>week or so, the rest being to my knowledge French Legionaires and US.
>-- 
>Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
>ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  ray@cam.org           |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray

	Could you believe that I read the New York Times almost everyday
and listen to the news and everything but I have NEVER heard about the
Canadian help in Florida.  Being Canadian, I would have sure noticed that.

	Of course, the Canadian presence in Somalia has not been mentionned
neither here in the U.S.  Talk about a country opened on the world!

		Normand
From: gbk@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: mail addreess to Roscommon
Date: 10 Dec 92 02:22:41 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego CA


I have mail address from a company letterhead
which I belive to be X.400 The company letter head specifically
says it is email as follows:

E-Mail ITT Dialcom 74 EIM680

This address is from the letter head of:
O'Carroll International Ltd
Eagle House 
Roscommon Ireland phone 353-0903 26350

I would like to correspond with this address thru email
from the US (gbk@calmasd.prime.com)

I understand that I may be able to do it as a SMTP mailer
as discussed in News comp.protocols.iso.x400

Can anyone advise me if I can do this and a example of what a
message address would appear as to accomplish.

This would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you 

Gerry Kirkpatrick
ComputerVision
San Diego, Ca 
phone 619-587-3083
(gbk@calmasd.prime.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: Gerry.Mulvenna@launchpad.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna)
Subject: Re: Scotland Demands Democracy!
Organization: The Queen's University of Belfast, Ireland
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:00:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.180127.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cabr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>Well, on Saturday the 12th of December, 25000 protestors filled the streets
>of Edinburgh to take their greivance that Scotland has no say in who governs 
>the Scots. This has been the largest demonstration since the Tories took
>power in 1979. It corrected those who said that "the Scottish Question" was
>dead. Major denied its legitimacy and was "embarassed" by it. Time and again 
>he has argued that the UK should retain sovereignty within the EC yet he cannot
>see the Scotland requires a voice too. When will he listen. When will Democracy 
>reach Scotland?
>    This may be news to Netters. The BBC did not mention it on a national
>level. The Times was not aware of it today. This is all proof of the
>manipulation of the truth to keep Britain English. BTW I was once in favour of
>the Union. 
>    I would be interested to hear of notification of this turning point in 
>Scottish politics. Has anyone heard of it in the "UK" papers. If so how much?
>
>
>Karl Stephen (Active member of the non-affiliated punters party).

Thanks for this contribution, Karl.  Had I not been aware of Saturday's
demo through seeing publicity while in Edinburgh a month ago, the media's
(lack of) coverage of it would have made me none the wiser.

I have seen absolutely no mention of it on television and am pleasantly
reassured that it was so well supported.  I remember similar media treatment
meted out to a 20,000-strong Poll Tax demo in Edinburgh some years ago.

It is odd how 1000 demonstrators in Moscow seems to be more news-worthy
than 100,000 muslims in London or 10,000 Republicans in Belfast etc etc.

Keep posting news of Scotland United (and others') campaigns for Scottish
democracy.

Good luck

Gerry Mulvenna (osg1688@v2.qub.ac.uk)
Belfast, Ireland  
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8300 soc.culture.british:17784
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: UK unemployment figures
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:57:43 GMT
	<1992Dec18.153233.14477@news.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Dec18.164646.3506@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
	<1992Dec18.172120.4438@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Dec18.172120.4438@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

   Clearly, electoral reform to provide minority representation is
   a first stage in bringing to public attention the plight of the
   southern underclass.

Yes, agreed.  Even *majority* representation would be better than the
shocking excuse for an electoral system which we presently have.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Words to live by...
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:35:42 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


From a letter to the Editor of the Boston Globe.

The following are the words of Austin Baker, Anglican theologian.
Spoken to the speaker of the British House of Commons, 
December 1, 1980.

"No British goverment ought ever to forget that this perilous
moment, like many before it, is the outworking of a history
for which our country (Britain) is primarily responsible.
England seized Ireland for it's own military benefit;
it planted Protestant settlers there to make it strategically
secure; it humiliated and penalized the native Irish and
their Catholic religion. And then when it could no longer
hold onto the whole island, it kept back part for the 
settlers'decendants, a nonviable solution for which the
Protestants have suffered as much as anyone. Our Justice
created the situation, and by constantly repeating that 
we will maintain it so long as the majority wish it, 
we actively inhibit Protestants and Catholic from
working out a new future."


"Leave Ireland to the Irish." some musical English type people.


Dublin and a representative faction of Protestants from Ulster
could sit down and come up with a workable solution. Before
this could happen England must withdraw.


-sjm

-- 
Sean J. Merritt		         | "Every revolt is a cry of innocence    
Dept of Physics Boston University|  and an appeal to the essence of being."
merritt@macro.bu.edu             | Albert Camus, The Rebel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon)
Subject: Re: question re: word
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:08:41 GMT

fsjtm@acad3.alaska.edu (McCranie John T) writes:
: In article <27826@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes...
: >rbv@cypress.com writes:
: >>monet@carson.u.washington.edu (Diana Smith) writes:
: >>	Does anyone know what the world "minstrel" is in Celtic - or Gaelic?
: > 
: >Foclo/ir Po/ca gives "oirfideach" which I have never seen in any
: >context in my limited exposure to Irish.  Then of course there's
: >"bard", but a bard & a minstrel are not quite the same thing
: >to me.
: 
what about "seanchai" pronounounced shah-nah-khee

In an anglicised form this is the name (Shanachie Records) of the
recording company that releases the best (in North America anyway) traditional
Irish music.

My son was named Seanachi (unintentional misspelling due to ignorance)
when he was born 5 years ago.

I suspect the real answer to this question is that there are several
"correct" terms depending on what historical time period and cultural
milieu is focused on. i.e seanchai, bard, oirfideach, faith, etc...

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