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From: sabaker@icaen.uiowa.edu (Sarah Anne Baker)
Subject: Re: Cross training (i.e., foil for an epeeist or vice-versa)
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:03:59 GMT

mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:

>In article <C0I16o.36D@mpls911.uucp>, kevin@mpls911.uucp (Kevin Herrboldt) writes...
>> 
>>Distance, footwork, second intention and counter-time

>Sorry, a few "beginner" questions here...

>What is second intention, and counter-time?
>Is second intention an attack into the opponent's preparation?

I'll try..

 second intention...
 Take a fellow who when you attack say six, he consistantly has a good parry
riposte to four, but seems to not follow after that (gets off balance
possibly if he misses the riposte).  So this is what you do...

You attack dilibrately to six and expect the parry riposte, and be
ready with a really whomping speedy parry riposte of your own, perhaps
with a disengage if he starts catching on.

I guess I need a review, but I beleive that 
counter-time is the changing of your speed fast -> slow,
slow-> fast, as well as carefully placed pauses in actions
to fool the opponent into early or late actions that 
you can take advantage of....
   correct? or really off (I hope not) somebody check me.

Sarah Baker

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: kormann@sleepy.bms.com (JOSEPH KORMANN)
Subject: Epee
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:10:00 GMT

Personally, I cannot figure out how to fence Epee.. Just the idea of having my
feet as a target-area melts my mind.
Now for the serious question: What is the recommended spot to watch when 
fencing Foil? My instructor recommends looking just behind the elbow-area.
This way (he says) you'll be able to keep an eye on their elbow for attacks
and their knees for movement. I personally feel that watching the shoulder
is better since I can watch their arms for attacks and their masks for hints
of movement.
Comment?

(How about sabre? Anything on where to watch?)

-Joseph

Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: szego@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Sandor Szego)
Subject: Re: Epee
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:40:33 GMT

JOSEPH KORMANN (kormann@sleepy.bms.com) wrote:
: Personally, I cannot figure out how to fence Epee.. Just the idea of having my
: feet as a target-area melts my mind.
: Now for the serious question: What is the recommended spot to watch when 
: fencing Foil? My instructor recommends looking just behind the elbow-area.
: This way (he says) you'll be able to keep an eye on their elbow for attacks
: and their knees for movement. I personally feel that watching the shoulder
: is better since I can watch their arms for attacks and their masks for hints
: of movement.
: Comment?

: (How about sabre? Anything on where to watch?)

: -Joseph

In my oppinion looking at the mask is the best strategy, since your
periferal vision helps you detect arm and feet motion much more
quickly than looking straight at the arm (or feet)
From: rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Poujardieu Memorial Fencing Tournament
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:19:05 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

Another informational note - this one about a fencing tournament.

The Poujardieu Memorial has become the premier fencing tournament in
Texas.  Last year's competition drew over 200 entries including
members of the Mexican National Team, U.S. and former Soviet
Olympians, and a a large number of fencers from all corners.

In its twelfth year, the 'Pouj' honors the late fencing master Gerard
Poujardieu, who was instrumental in bringing the sport of competitive
fencing to Texas.

SPECIAL GUESTS:  Members of the Mexican National Team

When:		February 6-7
Where:		San Marcos, TX  Jowers Gymnasum Rooms 201 and 202.

Schedule of events:

	Sat					Sun	
7:30	Gym Opens			7:30	Gym Opens
9:00	Mixed Foil*			9:00	Mixed Epee*
1:00	Women's Foil			12:00	Women's Epee
3:00	U-17 Mixed Foil			1:30	U-17 Mixed Epee
					2:00	Mixed Sabre

*	Depending upon format (i.e. not a Brazilian) and strip 
	availability consolation rounds are anticipated.

Note:	Registration will close one-half hour prior to the start of each
	event.

Awards:	Top eight in each event.
	The Maitre Poujardieu Cup for 1993 goes to the winner of the
		featured weapon:  Mixed Epee.

Further Information:	(reply to this article)
			e-mail	Greg Dilworth	gregd@tamu.edu
			phone	Oscar Barrera	(512) 392-4313	home
						      245-2148  work
						      245-8058  FAX

Entry Fees:	$18.00		Registration and first weapon
		 $5.00		each additional weapon
		 $3.00		each additional U-17 event

Please send advance entries to 
	SWTFS
	c/o Recreational Sports Office, Jowers Center
	SWTSU
	San Marcos, TX 78666
Postmark Deadline for pre-registration:	FEBRUARY 1, 1993


Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: t_pascal@oxy.edu. (C. Regis Wilson)
Subject: Cross training (i.e., foil for an epeeist or vice-versa)
Reply-To: t_pascal@cheshire.oxy.edu
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:48:58 GMT


Hi, I'm an epeeist, but unfortunately, there are very few other epee
fencers at my school.  Occasionally, I use a foil so I can fence with
others, but invariably get beaten.  Sometimes, the foilists use an epee.

My questions are, what should I pay attention to, or try to focus on
when I fence foil, so I can improve my epee skills?  What should a
foilist practice when fencing epee?  How much (percentage wise) should
an epee/foilist spend with the other blade?  Is it a good idea to 
cross-fence?

Thanks,

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1600 Campus Road, Box 829          | but not when the frost drops below zero
Los Angeles, CA 90041              | fifty degrees or more."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: SCA technique, the wraparound
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:26:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <C0IqI4.BqF@rahul.net> keradwc@rahul.net (Kevin Davis Connery) writes:
>In article <93007.170122HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion) writes:
>>In article <93Jan06.164605.20771@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles
>>Parr) asks:
>>
>>>I am looking for evidence of the use of 'wraparound' technique
>>>in medieval broadsword combat.
>[...]
>>
>>My guess is that the answer to this question might best be found in
>>archaeological studies such as Thordemann's excavations at Wisby. We should be
>>able to determine the angle of the blow from examining skeletal damage combined
>>with some of the basic kinesiology of swinging a sword.
>
>One of the classed taught at a Collegium Occidentalis did just that. Turns out
>that the data doesn't support much of what we do: The number 1 cause of death
>(identifiable by skeletal remains) was head injuries, with the impact angle 
>indicating it was a shot from behind and above (i.e., a vertical strike 
>to the top/rear of the head). Very difficult to do, if not impossible, 
>from in front of the 'victim'.

Hmmm...I was told once by a military historian that, before the
days of extensive use of firearms, the vast majority of deaths
in battle happen when troops are routed and trying to flee.

So if I turned and ran, and you hit me as I did so, it might 
produce just such a wound.

At the same time, a blow known as the skywrap, or sometimes
the "scorpion" strikes in just that location. This blow is
very versatile because if you miss the head you are very likely
to still strike the shoulder/back/inside of the sheild arm.

Charles
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Cross training (i.e., foil for an epeeist or vice-versa)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:08 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C0I16o.36D@mpls911.uucp>, kevin@mpls911.uucp (Kevin Herrboldt) writes...
> 
>Distance, footwork, second intention and counter-time.
> 

Sorry, a few "beginner" questions here...

What is second intention, and counter-time?
Is second intention an attack into the opponent's preparation?

Suman Palit

Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: SCA technique, the wraparoundex
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:01:12 GMT

In article <93Jan06.164605.20771@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
> I am looking for evidence of the use of 'wraparound' technique
> in medieval broadsword combat.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Forth hand info.
I have heard it said that there exists late period helmets with nice
horizontial lines on the back that could have been made by a wrap.

I think that there are some saber techniques that use the false edge. Prehaps
if you could trace their history (if they exist) you could create some possible
arrument for the existance of the wrap in "real" world.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kpalm@doc.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: Aerobic Capacity
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:42:11 GMT

jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:

>What is Aerobic Capacity?

Basically, everyone has a resting pulse rate, maximum pulse rate, and a
pulse rate that marks the transition from aerobic to anaerobic, known
as the deflection point.  The range between the resting pulse rate and
the deflection point is one's aerobic capacity.

An untrained person has a lower deflection point, hence a lower aerobic
capacity.  A trained person has a higher deflection point, hence a
greater aerobic capacity.  It is at the deflection point that lactic
acid begins to accumulate in the system, forcing the athlete to slow
down.

For futher reading on the topic:  "Training Lactate Pulse Rate" by
Peter G.J.M. Janssen.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: 1992 totals & results
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:49:24 GMT

In article <8958@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> roat@rrc.chevron.com writes:
>>After a year of work, I can finally write my:
>>
>>1992 RACE & TRAINING SUMMARY
>
>Boo-Koo miles and totally awesome race reports deleted...
>
>>Todd Jensen                           o
>>AT&T Bell Labs      ___^o_    __o    <|\
>>(708) 979-1254              _ \<_     \    
>>tjensen@ihlpe.att.com      (_)/(_)    /
>
>DUDE!!  No wonder you know what you're talking about!!  Mighty
>impressive list of accomplishments for the year.  You've
>got my vote for Triathlon Today All-American.
>
>---
>Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
>Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
>100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
>Richmond, CA  94802-0627
>

Thanks for the kudos, Suzanne, but from their posts, I would
sugget going to Thomas Monica for swimming advice (wow, 366 miles in
the water last year!) and Bert Sandie for running tips (whew, a 31 minute
10K!).

Todd
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Re: 1992 totals & results
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:26:22 GMT

Well here's my stuff.

Swim: 366 miles
Run: 726 miles
Bike: 4638 miles

My first complete season. Bought my very first bike and running shoes in
September of 1991.

High(?)lights:



May 4th, 1991 Wildflower Short Course Triathlon (1.0 K swim, 20 mi bike, 
           4.5 mi run)

        My first ever! (and first bike and run race)
    1:45:57 total (~5th fastest swim overall, 60th overall, 12th in age group
                with losing bike chain!)

June 7th Lake Berrysessa 2 mi swim

    23rd overall

June 21st Lake Sanoma 2 mi swim

    28th overall

June 28th BLTS San Jose (1.5 k swim, 27 mile bike, 12 k run)

    2:32:05
    118th overall, 33rd in age group (2nd fastest swim in age group)

August 8th Donner Lake 2.7 mi swim
 
    35th overall (boy was that cold!)

August ??  Lake Delvalle 2x1 mi swim relay

    (with Maria Hartz)
    15th team, 3rd mixed team

September 28th Whiskeytown 2 mi swim

    9th overall, 2nd in age group

October 4th  Santa Cruz Sentinal Triathlon (1.5k s, 40 k bike, 10 k run)

    2:03:21
    82nd overall, 21st in age group
    (great run and bike, comfortable jog :-)


1993 Goals:
    - learn to run gosh darn it 


adios!


-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
From: Suzanne Roat
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: 1992 totals & results
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:22:01 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

>After a year of work, I can finally write my:
>
>1992 RACE & TRAINING SUMMARY

Boo-Koo miles and totally awesome race reports deleted...

>Todd Jensen                           o
>AT&T Bell Labs      ___^o_    __o    <|\
>(708) 979-1254              _ \<_     \    
>tjensen@ihlpe.att.com      (_)/(_)    /

DUDE!!  No wonder you know what you're talking about!!  Mighty
impressive list of accomplishments for the year.  You've
got my vote for Triathlon Today All-American.

---
Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Mark Allen's Visions
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:17:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


During the Ironman broadcast, they showed a short segment on Mark's Indian
warrior or whatever images, and his mental preparation for Ironman.  

Just curious about this one.  I found Mark's style a little off the wall,
but at the same time, I found it very original and indicative of how
he must do things.  

Anyone have comments on this?

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: schilmoe3709@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: MARATHONING IN HOUSTON
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:45:51 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I HAVE A BROTHER WHO DOES TRIATHLONS (INCLUDING THE IRONMAN IN CANADA).
THEREFORE, I HAVE BECOME SOMEWHAT INTERESTED IN FINDING RESULTS FROM THE
DIFFERENT COMPETITIONS THAT ARE HELD IN EITHER THE UNITED STATES OR CANADA. MY
BROTHER HAS LIVED IN HOUSTON FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS. HIS WIFE IS CURRENTLY
TRAINING FOR THE HOUSTON MARATHON. IF ANYONE ELSE IS TRAINING FOR THIS
MARATHON OR CAN HELP WITH THE RESULTS OF SOME COMPETITIONS PLEASE REPLY.
M.S.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: sandie@mpr.ca (Bert Sandie)
Subject: 1992 Training and some Results
Keywords: Triathlon, Duathlon, Training
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:22:25 GMT

March 25   8k Run - 4th   24:50

April 18   Vancouver Sun Run 10k 
           Participants: 12,0000
           10k Run - 15th  31:08

June 1    Reverse Sprint Tri 5km/10km/400m
          4 th  45:08

June 10   10k Run  1st   31:37

June 24   Blue Lake Oregeon Tri 1.5/40/10
          5th  1:54:xx

July 15   Penticton Tri 1.5/40/10
          15th  - 2:04:xx

July 28   Calgary Tri 1.5/40/10
          28th  - 1:58:xx

Aug 9     Canadian Tri Championships (Pro & Amateur)
          1.5/40/10   - 39th overall  2:02:xx
          2nd fastest run overall 32:27

Aug 16    BC Provinical Duathlon Championships
          5/30/5   - 3rd overall Pro
          1:17:21

Training:

Swim: 10,000 - 12,000 a week
Bike: Year Total 5000-6000 miles
Run: Year Total 2000 miles (avg 40 a week)

Secrets: Consistency, dedication, and hard work!

Goals: To finish an Ironman in 1994, to run low 30:xx
for 10 k, to break 21:00 for 1.5km swim!

Bert Sandie
Burnaby, BC, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: edwardb@odie.cs.mun.ca (Edward Byrne)
Subject: Re: Spokes & Goggles
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:15:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.100342@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> sperzel@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (markus sperzel) writes:

>II. Goggles
>
>Are there any tips on choosing swimming goggles?
>
>I'm looking for a pair of goggles that are perfectly tight, because
>I would swim with my contact lenses (Scared to loose them!!!)
>Has anybody experience in swimming with contact lenses?
>I think a good pair of goggles should have exchangeable sealings (I think
>goggles from swans and barracuda (sp) have these sealings).
>What about goggles from swans or barracuda? Any experience?
>
Well if your eyes are sensetive at all you may consider getting a pair
of perscription goggles because the clorine vapors can really irreritate(sp?)
your eyes.
Anyone out there can correct me on that if i am wrong. 

However any good quality swimming goggle should do the trick just
make sure that you play with the nose until it fits you properly
and they won't leak. speedo leader etc... it shouldn't matter

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: msmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael A Smith)
Subject: start biking
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:09:35 GMT

I am a marathon runner, who is interested in competing in a tri.
I can swim fine, but I don't know a thing about biking. I haven't
owned a bike since I was 10 years old.
  How should I start a biking program?  How much would a bike costs
  that meets my needs ?  Any good books ? Any common errors to avoid ?

mas
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: mmckenna@bnr.ca (Michael McKenna)
Subject: Re: Hip Pain Advice Required
Reply-To: mmckenna@bnr.ca (Michael McKenna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:33:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.142244.13100@waikato.ac.nz>, rel@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|> Fellow triathletes ,
|> ....
|> There was a sharp pain on or around the top of my right the thigh bone

I am currently experiencing a pain in the hip area, specifically on the outside
where the iliotibial band runs over that bone at your hip.  You can feel the band move
across the bone when you walk.  The pain was diagnosed at bursitis and was blamed on a
muscle imbalance due to running and cycling where the motion used is all up and
down to propel you forward (as opposed to skating where you push off to the side).
The physio recommended was some laser therapy (which I was very sceptical about as
to whether or not it was actually doing anything) and doing leg lifts with
weights while lying on your side.
Personally I think the problem was wearing my shoes for too long after they weren't
providing proper support. Although I have replaced my shoes and done some of the
physio, I still have the nagging injury.  

Michael McKenna
From: sperzel@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (markus sperzel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Spokes & Goggles
Date: 11 Jan 1993 09:06:32 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp62.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

Hi everybody,
Two topics, three questions:

I. Aerospokes

Two questions:

1)  I've a problem in getting a special type of aerospokes.
    These spokes don't have a head (on the hub side) like other spokes.
    It looks like this:

        Common spoke:

                          I
                          I
                          I
                          I
      Head of spoke    I  I
      (Hub end)   ->   +--+
                       I

        Aero spoke I'm looking for:

                          I
                          I
                          I
                          I
                          I
                        +-+
                        I    <- Here isn't a head, the end looks like
                        I       if a spoke is bowed

   The advantage of this kind of spoke is, that you don't have to
   open the hub to get the flat part of the spoke through the holes
   of the hub. You just put the bowed end of the spoke through the
   holes of the hub. This won't weaken the hubring and it lasts
   longer.
   I saw this kind of spokes at Ricardo Probert's bike at the Students
   Triathlon World Championships at Darmstadt last august. He said he
   bought them in a shop. I forgot to ask him what brand they are.
   So could anybody help me where to find these spokes or what brand
   it is?

2) Ricardo's front wheel missed some spokes. I'm not sure, but I think he
   spoked a 36 hole hub with only 24 spokes (type describbed above). Every
   third spoke missed. (To make sure: I asked him aout this and he said, that
   he spoked it that way)
   Has anybody out there any experience with a wheel spoked this way?
   What would be the best way to spoke a wheel like this (How many
   crossings , what hubs, what rims etc.)?
   Would this be o.k. for somebody who weights 70 - 75 Kg


II. Goggles

Are there any tips on choosing swimming goggles?

I'm looking for a pair of goggles that are perfectly tight, because
I would swim with my contact lenses (Scared to loose them!!!)
Has anybody experience in swimming with contact lenses?
I think a good pair of goggles should have exchangeable sealings (I think
goggles from swans and barracuda (sp) have these sealings).
What about goggles from swans or barracuda? Any experience?

thanx for every response

/markus

sperzel@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Hip Pain Advice Required
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:22:44 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Fellow triathletes ,

I have been running for some time and have had numerous injuries associated
with running (shin splints, knee problems) but last week I was doing my last
training for a local triathalon when during the run (about 8km) my hip was
hurting. There was a sharp pain on or around the top of my right the thigh bone
, this
pain was quite bad the next day (stiffening up?) but went away by the following
day, I didn't do any more running, biking or swimming untill yesterdays tri and
at about the 5km mark the pain came back. I have no pain biking when the hip is
sore but I have never ever had this injury before.

The current shoes I am using have not coused the problem before.

Any ideas what it might be and how to prevent it happening on a regular basis?

Any comment welcomed...

Thanx in advance...


Rob.