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From: murgesh@rendezvous.esd.sgi.com (Murgesh Navar)
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 3.1 Goes Crazy!
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:49:46 GMT


In article <1992Dec30.032951.4697@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.040152.18074@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes:
> >We have FrameMaker 3.1 running on several Indigos (XS24's)
> >under Irix 4.0.5F. Overall, it's a wonderful product. However,
> >now and then, for no apparent reason, the program completely
> >trashes the screen (it becomes a series of cross-hatched lines
> >on a grey screen). 
> 
> 
> 

> FrameMaker 3.0 under MS Windows. In fact it was the ability 
> of FrameMaker to run on SGI, IBM, Mac and SUN -- AND TO TRANSFER
> THE FILES *SEAMLESSLY* BACK AND FORTH -- that lead to us to standardize
> on FrameMaker. Rats....
	 
	You should still be able to do this.
> 
> Everytime I open a document on my Indigo that was previously created
> on the IBM I get a warning about "unavailable fonts" -- this may
> (or may not) be a clue?
> 
> Some SGI types have suggested a possible hardware problem with the
> graphics card (XS24) but I've seen this problem on three different
> machines in my lab (not mention Robert van Liere's machines). 
> I'll bet it's in the way Frame is handling the "unavailble fonts"
> but since Frame doesn't provide source code, it's hard for a user
> to tell ;-)
> 

	Whatever happens, even if frame does something strange, no one
should be able to kill the graphics as seen in your earlier message. I
suggest that you get hold of a data-file that kills the machine when 
Frame tries to open it, and file a bug report. We'd like to get any 
problems with our machines fixed pronto, especially if the graphics
dies. 

						-murgesh
From: bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: Re: Macintosh emulator?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 07:59:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rudedog.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec31.061321.1900@netcom.com> nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes:
>davidh8@pogo.wv.tek.com (David Haight) writes:
>>There was talk months ago about a soft-mac for SGI.  Does
>>anyone know if this has happened?
>
>      Unlikely.  Apple would sue.  That's why there are no Mac clones.
>

Actually, there are at least two Mac-em products available on
workstations:

Quorum has/will have two products out on SGI platforms:
	A development environment, that, from what I understand,
	allows you to compile and link a Mac app and run it on
	a workstation with a look-n-feel that matches the
	workstation's env.

	A full-blown emulator that also has the matching look-n-feel.

Liken is a Mac-emulator from Xcellerated Systems (?) that works 
on several platforms (Sun, HP, and soon IBM).  It got a good review
in Open Systems Today a few months ago.  B&W only (but color RSN), 6.0.7
(but 7.0 RSN) and reasonable performance.  I called Liken and asked
if they were doing an SGI port and a sales guy said they were thinking
about it.  He also said it's only going to take 4 months for the
IBM port, so if they decide to, it won't be too far away.  

Liken has sold many copies, and so far has avoided Apple's wrath.


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From: senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 3.1 Goes Crazy!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.040152.18074@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes:
>We have FrameMaker 3.1 running on several Indigos (XS24's)
>under Irix 4.0.5F. Overall, it's a wonderful product. However,
>now and then, for no apparent reason, the program completely
>trashes the screen (it becomes a series of cross-hatched lines
>on a grey screen). 

[stuff deleted]


Robert van Liere pointed out to me that they also see this error
but only when they are working on a file that was created/modified
on a Macintosh -  never on one that was created on an SGI. When
he mentioned this I realized that all my problems happened on files
that I had previously created/modified on an IBM PC running 
FrameMaker 3.0 under MS Windows. In fact it was the ability 
of FrameMaker to run on SGI, IBM, Mac and SUN -- AND TO TRANSFER
THE FILES *SEAMLESSLY* BACK AND FORTH -- that lead to us to standardize
on FrameMaker. Rats....

Everytime I open a document on my Indigo that was previously created
on the IBM I get a warning about "unavailable fonts" -- this may
(or may not) be a clue?

Some SGI types have suggested a possible hardware problem with the
graphics card (XS24) but I've seen this problem on three different
machines in my lab (not mention Robert van Liere's machines). 
I'll bet it's in the way Frame is handling the "unavailble fonts"
but since Frame doesn't provide source code, it's hard for a user
to tell ;-)

Once again, has anyone seen this "feature" :-?




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Division of Life Sciences    | education, he may steal the whole railroad.
UT San Antonio               |             Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
From: flanigan@echo.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dennis Flanigan)
Subject: Xftp on SGI ?
Organization: NASA GSFC Code 910.1, TRMM Ground Truth
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:47:08 GMT

Greetings-

Is there a ftp program with an x window interface out there?  I 
compiled xftp1.2 from University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, but
it seems to crash a lot and I don't want to spend the time 
tring to fix it.  Is there anouther one out there that I
don't know about?

-Thanks and Happy New Year everyone.

-Dennis Flanigan

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From: drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke)
Subject: Re: ZModem
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:27:18 GMT

soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard) writes:


>Hello sgiers!

>I have avery weird problem... When I am using zmodem (sz) to
>transfer files between my Mac and the Indigo, the transfer hangs
>and quit when there is only 6 seconds left in the transfer. This
>problem exist only since we have changed the OS last summer. We
>were running version 3 of IRIX back then. a few weeks ago, we
>changed to IRIX 4.0.5 and now the transfer hangs just at 3 seconds
>from the end... That's VERY strange...

>Before upgrading to IRIX 3 something, everything was fine! When I
>use Kermit, no problems at all... The tech support at our
>university is no good at all...

>	"We don't know what's wrong." 
>	"We do not have that problem here in the office"
>	etc

>is all they can say.

>One more thing... this problem occurs only if the file is big
>enough to make the transfer go over 60 seconds. Any file less than
>that... no problems...

	SZ(1)               RISC/os Reference Manual                SZ(1)
	
	NAME
	     sx, sb, sz - XMODEM, YMODEM, ZMODEM file send
	
	BUGS
	     On at least one BSD system, sz would abend it got within a
	     few kilobytes of the end of file.  Using the "-w 8192" flag
	     fixed the problem.  The real cause is unknown, perhaps a bug
	     in the kernel TTY output routines.

I've found that using this magic flag works for me on my system; it may also
work for you.  Good luck!

	David Drascic
	Teleoperation and Control Laboratory, Industrial Engineering
	University of Toronto
	drascic@ie.utoronto.ca
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From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: Macintosh emulator?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:13:21 GMT

davidh8@pogo.wv.tek.com (David Haight) writes:
>There was talk months ago about a soft-mac for SGI.  Does
>anyone know if this has happened?

      Unlikely.  Apple would sue.  That's why there are no Mac clones.

						John Nagle
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From: dong@umiacs.umd.edu (Dong Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: source code for ytalk and xmj ?
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:00:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Does any one have source code of ytalk and xmj for SGI?
I got those two source code but can not compile.
Thanks,
Happy NY.
From: rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: Re: Is oneko ( or xneko ) available on a SGI?
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:37:48 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: fangio.asd.sgi.com

jchauvin@netcom.com (John H. Chauvin) writes:
>Does anyone have a copy of oneko that has been ported to a Silicon Graphics
>workstation? 

The source from export.lcs.mit.edu compiles and runs on my IRIX 4.0
based system.

...robert
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From: jchauvin@netcom.com (John H. Chauvin)
Subject: Is oneko ( or xneko ) available on a SGI?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:34:14 GMT

Does anyone have a copy of oneko that has been ported to a Silicon Graphics
workstation? I have been unable to get Mr. Kato's version to run on a Crimson
Elan. Oneko is a program written by Tatsuya Kato which displays a kitten runningover the root window.

Thanks

jchauvin@netcom.com
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Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
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From: Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Macintosh emulator?
X-Xxdate: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:15:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:24:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.061321.1900@netcom.com> John Nagle,
nagle@netcom.com writes:
>>There was talk months ago about a soft-mac for SGI.  Does
>>anyone know if this has happened?
>
>      Unlikely.  Apple would sue.  That's why there are no Mac clones.

I've seen at least 2 Mac software emulators on Sun machines. Both as I
recall were limited to about a Mac Plus in performance and capability
(no colour), and couldn't run System 7.

In July, Quorum Software had a settlement of a lawsuit against Apple
which apparently cleared the way for them to go ahead with software
emulation of a Mac (though my understanding is that they do not
implement the Mac look and feel). When I first heard of Quorum, SGI
was on the list of planned platforms, but I've heard nothing more
specific since.
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Department of Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand
2050 Wits, South Africa
phone 27(11)716-3759 fax 27(11)339-7965
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
From: senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: FrameMaker 3.1 Goes Crazy!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:01:52 GMT

We have FrameMaker 3.1 running on several Indigos (XS24's)
under Irix 4.0.5F. Overall, it's a wonderful product. However,
now and then, for no apparent reason, the program completely
trashes the screen (it becomes a series of cross-hatched lines
on a grey screen). One time I was able to "raise" the "window"
icon from underneath the mess and "refresh" the screen. The other
time, the Xserver crashed with the following error message:

Dec 23 08:25:10 ricky unix: WARNING: gr2: FIFO TIMEOUT
Dec 23 08:25:10 ricky unix:
Dec 23 08:25:10 ricky unix:
Dec 23 08:25:10 ricky unix: WARNING: Graphics error: GE PC = 0x5D60
Dec 23 08:25:10 ricky unix:
Dec 23 08:25:11 ricky Xsession: senseman: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe)
Dec 23 08:25:11 ricky xdm[232]: Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: 2
304                                                                                

Anyone else seen this problem? 
Thanks.
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(senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu) | from a freight car; but if he has a university
Division of Life Sciences    | education, he may steal the whole railroad.
UT San Antonio               |             Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
From: stanj@ferrari.corp.sgi.com (Stan Jensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: Re: Macintosh emulator?
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:49:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1hu998INNiso@fido.asd.sgi.com>, bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec31.061321.1900@netcom.com> nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes:
|> >davidh8@pogo.wv.tek.com (David Haight) writes:
|> >>There was talk months ago about a soft-mac for SGI.  Does
|> >>anyone know if this has happened?
|> 
|> Actually, there are at least two Mac-em products available on
|> workstations:
|> 
|> Quorum has/will have two products out on SGI platforms:
|> 	A development environment, that, from what I understand,
|> 	allows you to compile and link a Mac app and run it on
|> 	a workstation with a look-n-feel that matches the
|> 	workstation's env.
|> 
|> 	A full-blown emulator that also has the matching look-n-feel.
|> 

Quorum (415-323-3111) is selling their "cross-platform compatibility tool",
Latitude, today and will be shipping their Mac emulation product, Equal,
sometime early in 1993. They recently settled a lawsuit with Apple.
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From: soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: ZModem
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:52:18 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hello sgiers!

I have avery weird problem... When I am using zmodem (sz) to
transfer files between my Mac and the Indigo, the transfer hangs
and quit when there is only 6 seconds left in the transfer. This
problem exist only since we have changed the OS last summer. We
were running version 3 of IRIX back then. a few weeks ago, we
changed to IRIX 4.0.5 and now the transfer hangs just at 3 seconds
from the end... That's VERY strange...

Before upgrading to IRIX 3 something, everything was fine! When I
use Kermit, no problems at all... The tech support at our
university is no good at all...

	"We don't know what's wrong." 
	"We do not have that problem here in the office"
	etc

is all they can say.

One more thing... this problem occurs only if the file is big
enough to make the transfer go over 60 seconds. Any file less than
that... no problems...

Please help!

Richard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
From: davidh8@pogo.wv.tek.com (David Haight)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: Macintosh emulator?
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:03:11 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

There was talk months ago about a soft-mac for SGI.  Does
anyone know if this has happened?

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From: hoesel@igc.ethz.ch (Frans van Hoesel)
Subject: Re: Frustrated with SGI support..
Organization: University of Groningen, the Netherlands
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:19:23 GMT

The support of SGI can be very good at times. The best support comes
from the net and all the fine people working at SGI (I think without
it, I *would* get frustrated, but it is a good thing that SGI
employers are allowed to take the time to answer the questions on the
net. If the questions asked are specific enough, the answers are
to the point, correct, and up to date.

Reading the news and making notes of the messages has been proven very
helpful to me.

I must admit that in the beginning I was extremely frustrated by the support
here in the Netherlands (lets call it bad communication), but they changed
amazingly fast.

The good thing of support in the netherlands and on the net is, that they
do not forget about the little fish (me) who cannot afford to own an 
Indigo, but still do.
Not everybody works for a big company that can affort to spent a lot of
money on computers and support.


-- frans
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From: booth@ccad.uiowa.edu (Michael Booth)
Subject: Looking for Star Wars geometric models
Followup-To: booth@ccad.uiowa.edu
Keywords: model
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:34:16 GMT

I know this is a bit off the mark for this newsgroup, but I thought
folks who use SGI machines might be a good source of info on where
to find some polygonal model data.

I'm looking for some accurate models of various Star Wars spacecraft,
including Tie figheters, X wings, and a Star Destroyer. Any other models
would be great, too.

Does anyone know where I can get ahold of these models without making them
myself?  I'd prefer the raw data in some type of ASCII format, containing
vertices, connections, and polygon definitions. The simpler format the 
better (I have to convert these models to run on an Evans and Sutherland
CT6 Image Generator).

Why do I need these?  Well, we are putting the finishing touches on a
large 6 degree of freedom hydraulic motion base in our simulation bay
(at the Iowa Driving Simulator), and I thought it would be a great test
(and a hell of alot of fun) to fly an X wing against a swarm of Tie 
fighters while trying to take out a star destroyer. Lots of swooping
manouevers and laser explosions to rock the motion base around a bit.

If you know of any data which I could use, please let me know via e-mail
at booth@ccad.uiowa.edu.  If anyone else wants to know, let me know
and I'll post any findings here.

Thanks in advance,
Mike

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From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: is numbering example in jag(7M) man page wrong?
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:46:07 GMT

is numbering example in jag(7M) man page wrong?

Controller numbers run from 0 to 5 for the six possible controllers in a
system.  Device numbers run from 0 to 7 on channel 0 (the upper
connector) and from 8 to 15 on channel 1 (the lower connector).  One
device number is taken up by each channel on the controller (host adaptor
in SCSI terminology).  The default device number (SCSI ID) is 7 for both
channels.  The SCSI ID should be relative to the first drive on a
channel.  Thus partition 7 on drive 3 on channel 1 on controller 1 would
be referred to as jag1d11s7.

don't 8-15 map to 1-7? that would make device 3 map to d10 not d11 wouldn't
it?

		fish
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From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Subject: Re: Frustrated with SGI support..
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.163402.27344@cs.wayne.edu> atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems) writes:
>
>I have not been impressed with the technical competence of the call
>administrators you get via the hotline -- but I never expected to be.

I just realized that in my earlier post I was using the wrong term for
the hotline folks that return your call. I think "call administrator"
is the person who answers when you first call the hotline. I'm not
sure what the people who act as intermediaries between the customer
and the actual engineers are called, but they are the ones whose
technical competence doesn't impress me, and who have occasionally
failed to keep me posted unless I did some yelling.

Sorry for any confusion.

------
Dale Atems
Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Department of Physics and Astronomy
atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu
From: aj3u@larch.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Mouse Interrupts
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:31:35 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903

1. What mechanism does IRIX use to determine if a mouse button
has been pressed?  I assume it uses interrupts but I am not sure.

2. How much time does it take between a mouse button being
pressed and a user program running in non-preemptable mode (i.e.
with a highest non-degrading priority) being informed about it if
it is using qtest() to constantly check the status of the event
queue.

3. Is there another way to find out the status of the mouse, or
to set up some kind of a signal that would interrupt the program
if the mouse button is pressed, that is presumably faster than
using qtest()?  And there is such a way, then how much time does
it take between a mouse press and the program being informed
about it?

4. If the information required by questions (2) and (3) is
unknown then how can I determine it?  I have been thinking about
a possible software solution, but I have not been able to come up
with anything satisfactory.

I would appreciate any help or hints.


Asim Jalis.
From: kurt@cashew.asd.sgi.com (Kurt Akeley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: polarview
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:22:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cashew.asd.sgi.com

-- 

The mmode(MVIEWING) call put the GL into multi-matrix mode, meaning
that transformations are done by two matrixes: first the model-view
matrix, then the projection matrix.  When mmode() was called, both
these matrixes were initialized to identity.  The first time you
called polarview(), the model-view matrix was premultiplied by a
computed viewing matrix, and since the model-view matrix was identity,
the result was the equal to the computed matrix.  Subsequent calls
to polarview() will not have the same effect, however, because the
model-view matrix is no longer identity.  Thus my suggested fix -
call loadmatrix(identity) before you call polarview().  Declare
identity as follows:

Matrix identity = {1,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1};

-- Kurt Akeley	    kurt@sgi.com  (415) 390-3612  M/S 7U-550
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: CPU Type Detection
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:51:26 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.) says:
> We have a graphics application for animated contouring that we need to slow down
> when running on a Crimson.

Why not do it another way.... check out the swapinterval(3G) man page. 
This will put an upper limit on the number of graphic updates you get.

....paul

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