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From: gregory j farrar <gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: re: Man Power Needed
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:06:21 GMT

	I mailed to the address and got this back. This sounds like a scam to
me !


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To: gregory j farrar <gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: healthy extra income
Status: R

Thanks for your interest.  The concept of my business is quite  
simple.  I work with a servicing company which supplies me with  
products from over 500 major manufactorers.  These include COKE COLA,  
DelMonte, Sanyo, General Motors, Hanes, etc..  I distribute these  
products and earn money in the process.  While you can sell  
merchandise and make money, this is not how I do it.  I don't sell  
but rather sponsor people who are interested in sponsoring other  
people.  I buy my own products from my own business at wholesale  
prices.  So do the people I sponsor.  I make my money in the form of  
a bonus paid to me for creating volume by sponsoring others.  The  
size of the bonus varies depending upon how many people you sponsor  
and how many they sponsor.  The income at first is small, but grows  
quickly with time.  The amount of work however remains fairly  
constant.  About 5 to 8 hours a week, more or less depending upon how  
much time you have to spare.  I personally know some one who is a  
millionare because of this business.  I also know someone who while  
working as a marketing executive did this in his spare time.  He is  
now after 4 years quitting his job to do his business full time.

If you think this maybe for you, or if your still unsure but want to  
hear more please email me again. 


Karl Rominger
romingk@alleg.edu
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re:  Family Leave Act
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:30:01 GMT
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <140@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>In a small company, if key people leave, to have babies, it puts an
>enormous burden on the remaining employees, and in a lot of cases, 
>it can cost clients, because they can't get things fixed.  In certain
>industries, if your support is bad, word gets around, and this costs
>you future business because of your bad reputation in the support field.

What's the matter, too cheap to hire temporaries?  The company knows that
they're going to be unavailable ahead of time, surely it's possible to
make arrangements before the maternity leave starts to take care of
anything critical.

At least maternity leave can be planned for.  I've known people to be
out on sick leave for a month or more for such things as broken arms,
surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome and other problems.  What are you
going to do, fire anyone with short-term disability?

>And can anyone explain to me why a woman has to take two months off to
>have a baby?  

You must be single or childless to ask such a question.  Babies tend
to want (and need) attention nearly around the clock for the first
couple of months.

>Women want equality in the workforce, and they say they want to have 
>jobs and careers.  But then, they take time off to have babies.  They
>leave work early if their kids get sick at school, and have to be
>picked up.   They don't show up at all if it snows, and school is
>cancelled, or they have to leave early if it starts snowing and it's
>announced that schools will close early.

And I know fathers that do the same when their kids are sick, or have
to be picked up, etc.  It's just that it's more acceptable for a woman
to do it.

>If a woman wants to have a 
>youngun, then have it.  Take up to a week off [if you had a cesarian]
>and get back to work.

What are you, a misogynist?  Having a baby is not on par with having
a hangnail removed.

>Let's face it; if you want a career, then 
>support it.  A company hires a person to work for them because they
>need the help.  If you want the job, then you ought to work the hours
>you are expected to work.  If you want to be a mother to your children,
>then stay home, and let someone work who will be at work everyday.

Most working mothers are not trying to give their employer the short
shrift.  If there's a problem, it ought to be between them and their
manager, and if you feel that it's affecting you, you should take it
up with her manager.  Chances are, if she's any good, her manager will
tell you to mind your own business.

Stop sniveling, Keith.  Who knows, maybe some day you'll be a single
parent, and have to deal with all of these things you complain that
working mothers are doing.
--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: nice places, taxes in Md.
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:32:48 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Oct08.201552.20916@srg.srg.af.mil> akerson@deimos.srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp) writes:
>
>keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes :
>TOTALLY FALSE ! At least since 1982, when I started paying taxes here.
>(Gee ... I've never upper-cased at someone before...)
>you pay federal here, like anywhere else, then also an income-based
>state tax which is about 1/3 of the federal. And, depending on which
>county you live in 50%-30% again of that ammount to the county. And
>FYI - Md. taxes are about the third or fourth highest in the US, the
>state govt. is in deficit, and we get little or no state services.

First you say TOTALLY FALSE!, and then you agree with 
what I said!  I will admit, that I made a mistake when I 
said that one pays a local tax.  That part is false.  However,
what I was trying to say was that one pays their state
taxes in MD based on where one lives or works, which is
what you said.  I would suggest that you obtain a copy
of the MD state witholding tables, and it shows the approx 8
different tables, based on where you live and work.  I know of 
an example of a company that is in the extreme western portion
of MD [Oakland MD, to be exact].  Most of their employees live
just across the border in Pennsylvania.  Even though they are
PA residents, MD taxes must be witheld from their paychecks.
Of course, they get them back at the end of the year when they
file their tax returns, but MD still gets to use their money
for a year without paying interest.
--Keith
From: Michael Mescheryakov <mr@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:52 MDT
Subject: Wanted: NOT FT, NOT contract
Nf-ID: #N:glas:96900001:000:1044
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!mr    Oct 11 01:52:00 1992



                 Dear netters !

  We want to  discuss not a  employer/employee problems as  is
usual  in  this  group  but  a  software development contracts
between companies.

  Our company MrSoft (Russia)  now is intensively seekind  for
Western software development contracts.   It seems to  us that
placing  of  such  contracts  in  Russia  is highly profitable
business  now  because  of  extremely  low  labour cost in our
country.

  Full information package about our company is available.

  As we are located in Russia, we don't know Western  software
development market enough.  I mean company - client /  company
- executor contracts for software development.

  My question  is:   are the  mediator companies  in this area
exist?  And how we can get they?

  Thanks in advance
                                            Alexander Fursaev.
                                                        MrSoft


Fax:    7-(095)-292-65-11
        For: MRSOFT
        box: 4998

E-Mail: mr@glas.apc.org       (the best (& cheapest) way)

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
Subject: Software for SF171
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:52:27 GMT


I remember a discussion in this group several months ago about the
Government employment form (SF171).  Did anyone ever come up with
software to generate one of these?  I have heard that it exists, but
have yet to see any information about a copy.

-- 
Dan Rich                    | drich@lerc.nasa.gov   |  (216) 433-4000
Sr. Systems Engineer        | "Danger, you haven't seen the last of me!"
RMS Technologies, Inc.      |    "No, but the first of you turns my stomach!"
NASA Lewis Research Center  | -- The Firesign Theatre's Nick Danger

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: gcm@fns-nc1.fns.com (Grover McCoury)
Subject: Re: what's a nice place - Baltimore
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:48:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.170213.2035@srg.srg.af.mil> akerson@deimos.srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp) writes:
>Culture: plenty to see & do; ethnic festivals in Balt, the National Aquarium,
>	and Wash. DC is 40 miles south if you feel the need to see the
>	monuments or get shot.
	
	Don't forget Camden Yards - the new home of the Orioles! 
	
Just $.02 worth from...

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.230142.10953@cs.tulane.edu> coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu ( LAURA CARRIERE) writes:

>whereas in the U.S. I might want to know when comparing two offers,
>but I'd be a fool to inquire now, wouldn't I?
>
	Hmmm...in each of the places that I've interviewed, a portion
	of the interview was with a Human Resources or Personnel
	staff member who was there to answer any potential benefits
	or company policy questions.

	In my current job, I went for an interview which was scheduled
	by the manager, but I talked with the Human Resources &
	Development staff member before being taken to the manager.
	I could have asked her any questions I needed.  I believe I
	asked if she was part of the interviewing process and she
	mentioned only in an ancillary way.  Her only participation to
	the process was to answer any questions about the benefits of
	the company.  I felt that this was before the interview so that
	I could discuss the company benefits with my manager should I
	need to do so.

	I also think that it is reasonable to request an interview
	with a human resources staff member to ask benefits questions.
	Or to perhaps ask for the phone number of a such a person.
	This way you can ask questions about the varying benefits
	offered by the company in question.


	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:35:26 GMT

In article <3352@isgtec.isgtec.com> mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
>                                                          Second, there's
>the weather.  It drizzles in the PNW from about late September to April or
>May.  Sometimes there's snow in the winter, but there's always week after
>week of lead gray skies.  

Maybe I don't get it, because I'm a native, but isn't that what
winter's *about*?  I mean, would it be better to have -300 degrees
for 5 months like they have in the "mid"west?  I actually *like*
the lead gray skies and drizzle.  Gives you kind of a comfy,
close-in sort of feeling, like being under a blanket.  But, like
I said, I'm a native.

-- 
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dcb@tacoma.uucp           |   SCREWIE the TSP CLOWN sez-  |   /   /___  /___/ 
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From: reddy@seas.smu.edu (N. Urimindi)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Any job opportunities for foreign students in U.S.?
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:49:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx

In article <1992Oct8.050320.11813@usl.edu> lhn1935@usl.edu (Ng Lap H) writes:
>I am a foreign student in U.S. and going to graduate with
>a M.S. in Computer Science at the end of this year. I will
>also apply the permit for working (practical training) at
>that time.
>
>Can anyone tell me if there is any place in U.S. that is 
>easier for foreign student with a M.S. in Computer Science
>to find jobs?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Lap-hung Anson Ng
>
Hi,
	There is nothing like easy/difficult place. Looking at the present economic situation, you don't have much choice. But I can tell you plenty of places where you can try. You might want to try in Dallas/Ft.Worth, Austin, Silicon Val
































. Don't limit your self to a particular geographical location.
Good luck.
Reddy
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com (Doug Rudoff)
Subject: Strengths and Weaknesses (was Re: Advice Please)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.144150.6438@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22407LIZ@MSU writes:
[Question about what to say for her weaknesses]

This is a common and annoying question one receives while
interviewing. The best answers are ones that express a weakness as a
strength. For example:

"I get too involved in my work and end up sacrificing my social life."

"I have much experience with small projects but I haven't had a chance
to work on big projects like the one your company does."
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From: brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Advocate for Repeal of 1706 (It must be Fall)
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:29:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bardlover

> From udmorrow@mcs.drexel.edu (Daniel Morrow)
>
>I think this means that this is where people post contracting jobs,
>not lengthy discussions. 

> From mbr@merk.com (Mark Rosenthal) ...
>
>This is the second time this week that this erroneous assumption has appeared!
>What's going on?

Ahhh, it must be Fall when University types return to the net.
Note the address of the poster who changed the content of this thread ...

	udmorrow@mcs.drexel.edu

I remember my college days, way back when I thought I knew everything that
there was to know & insisted on telling the rest of the world what they
were doing wrong.

But that's way in the past.  Since then I've turned into a drewling idiot,
simply trying to hack out a few meager lines of code in order to make 
ends meet.

;-)

Well, since I started this thread, I suppose I should add my nickel.

For at least the last couple of years, m.j.c has been used for all manner
of discussions relating to the performance of contract work (primarily
contract programming & computer consulting).  This has included everything 
from sample contracts to insurance concerns, dealing with the IRS, 
20 question BS and yes, even posting contract positions.

The amount of traffic in this newsgroup is fairly light, especially compared
to groups like alt.sex.  As such, I don't personally see any need to split
the group.  So long as posters make their subject lines clear enough, then
anyone looking solely for job (err, excuse me, contract) related submissions,
then it's easy enough to skip over the other stuff.

On a more general note, it seems like the last time I got ticked off enough
to post about this group's content was something like a year ago when it was
university types and full-time employees whining about Agency fees.  As it 
turned out, I don't think any of the flamers were actual contractors.  I did 
get a lot of offline feedback from REAL contract types at that time thanking 
me for explaining the real world of contracting to the whiners.

My point is that this newsgroup is quite useful to those of us braving
all the obstacles put in our way by the Gub'ment and the IRS to prevent
us from plying our trade.  I'd hate to see it change because someone
who's not even in the business decides he's got a better idea.

CFV anyone ?

JMHO,
-brad albom
Software Engineering Solutions, Inc (Not related to Sun Micro)
Office: (415) 969-0141    - Probably get a secretary
FAX   : (415) 969-0177    - Probably get a high pitched tone
email : brada@eng.sun.com - Best Bet (In On Random Weekdays)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dosbears@netcom.com (David R. Preston)
Subject: Caliper test?
Organization: DosBears at Netcom
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:16:02 GMT


Judging from the responses to the "Strange Interviewing question" thread,
this isn't a frequently discussed topic. So, what's the deal with this
Caliper test thing? Do any of you interviewers use it? If so, why?
What are the test results like; are there just a few categories, or
is there a detailed analysis? Would anyone care to offer an explanation 
of the test from a psychological viewpoint? Has anyone failed to get a
job as a result of taking the test?

For those who haven't seen it, the Caliper test is an untimed test
consisting of some 200 questions, designed to take about two hours
to complete. One section presents about fifty sets of four occupations.
With the instructions that the subject is to disregard differences in
status and pay between the occupations, for each set of four the 
subject is to pick the one most preferred and the one least preferred.
Many of the occupations show up in more than one set and it is possible
that an occupation that was least preferred in one set may be the one
most preferred in another set. Other (smaller) sections have questions
more like one might see on an S.A.T.: complete the analogy, and pick
the next item in a series. One of the odder sections has the subject
indicate strongly agree, agree, mildly agree, mildly disagree, disagree,
or strongly disagree (note that there is no "don't care" option) to a
series of statements, some of which sound like topics for a Rush Limbaugh
show. Then we get into the real personality grinder; a long series of
sets of four statements of which is picked the one most like the subject,
and the one least like the subject. Again, a statement that is least likely
in one set could very well be the one most likely in another.

The test is quite an experience. What do y'all think, should I even
be bothering with a company that uses this test?

-- 
Disclaimer: This disclaimer is not required by Leader Kibo.  This article
does not necessarily represent the opinions of Leader Kibo.  Have a nice
day.
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From: robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: small company looking for good RCGs - (hypothetical case)
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:41:47 CDT
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

In article <1992Oct9.211827.675@netcom.com>, pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) writes:
> Begin hypothetical
> 
>   A software development firm seeks recent college graduates degreed in
>   CS or a technical field.  We want only the top notch graduates who
>   know their stuff well and can prove it.
> 
> End hypothetical
> 
...
> College placement offices in many schools do not make it easy to even
> get a slot to come in and interview their students.

I disagree.  When I was at Texas A&M, they had an great placement center.
They catered to potential employers.   I'm sure most schools do (especially
now).  Besides setting up interviews, they had resumes available for potential
employers.

As far as the manpower requirements, say (hypotheticaly) you need
10 people.  Go to the closest 3 schools and pick 3-4 grads.  Pick a good
school and consider the top 10%.  That should give you a nice field to work
with (at large schools anyway).  There were companies finding people this
way at aTm.

Yes, it will be some work.  Going through large stacks of resumes will 
not be fun.  But an excessive amount of work?  I'd say a week.... maybe
less.

You could out-source the task to a recruiter type.  I don't think it's
worth it though.  Maybe you could pay some local people to go through
the resumes for you, but I would want to do the interviewing myself.

Sounds to me like the schools you have dealt with have had a bad placement
office.  As a potential employer you could simply avoid those.  As a 
student in today's economy, I would consider the quality of the placement
office (for my major) in choosing a school.

(I'm about 5 years out of school.  Didn't accept a job through the 
placement center, but got a few offers.)
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Keywords: interview,career,preferred job
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:09:49 GMT

int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak) writes:

>Hi all.
>	My girlfriend went to an interview recently for a receptionist
>position in a (small) printing/publishing firm, and the interviewer
>asked her:

>   "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
>a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"

>	The question excluded the job offered, so what was she really
>trying to ask?

	The same thing as when asked, "Where do you expect to be in
	X years?"

	The whole point of the question is to find out what type of
	job you are really looking for and also how committed you
	would be to the job being offered.

	From the hiring person's perspective, they have to pay time
	and money to train an individual to work in their company and
	their environment.  They want to make sure that the person
	stays with the company and that job as long as possible.
	Especially for the someone hiring a clerical/receptionist
	position, there is a high probability that the person is just
	trying to get temporary work while waiting for "the right job
	to come along".


	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center