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From: ph2sct@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Dzu Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts for children - what age?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:01:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <cindy.137@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
>At what age can a child begin to benefit from taking martial arts
>classes?  
>

the earlier the better....my parents started my training at age 5 or
6 and i am thankful for it. it gives the child the opportunity to
develop coordination and fine motor skills that some other sports
cannot. (depends on the martial art too) Plus all that extra energy
is used up. Look for a good school that doesn't give in to the
child's whims. Discipline is one of the cornerstones in the martial
arts!

good luck...

dzu
From: D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ninja Yellow Pages!
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:05:46 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92356597@ccw316
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Dennis P. Chan (chan@scf41.loral.com) wrote:
: 
: This is directed to all those who keep asking about where one can learn
: Ninjutsu.  The Warrior Information Network (WIN) has just recently (July '92) 
: published the Ninja Training Directory - USA.  It is organized in alphabetical
: order by state and gives detailed listings of each school, it's location, the
: trainers, the school philosophy, training times and days!  States include:
: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana,
: Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada,
: New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, N. Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania,
: Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin, and other Networks.  Most of the schools 
: listed are associated with the Bujinkan System directly/indirectly under 
: Soke Masaaki Hatsumi.
: 
: <Logistics>  
: 
: Cost: $5 which includes tax and shipping.
: 
: Mail To:    WIN Network
:             P.O. box 30338
:             Stockton, CA 95213-0338
: 
: 
: Good luck and have fun.
: 
: Dennis
: 
: Ninjutsu is everywhere ... and now it can be found!

Sounds great but does anyone know of an equivalent work for the UK??

Please mail or post answers.

Dom

INTERNET D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk
JANET    D.G.Legros@uk.ac.bradford
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: karate-getting in shape
From: spang@calstatela.edu (Sue Pang 10-16-91)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:35:35 PST
Reply-To: spang@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles

In article 19957@ncsu.edu, srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH) writes:
>
>	Hi!  I am going to start taking some Karate classes in the near future 
>and I would like some advice.  What do I need to do in order to prepare for these
>classes.  I am mainly interested in the physical training area. 
>Thanks in advance,
>Sean

Well Sean,
I hope you don't get affended receiving advice from a girl.  In my Jujitsu class, we do stretches and warm-ups for approx 40 minutes.  After that we work out on different techniques for beginners.  After 2 hours, we take a 10 minute break.  The advance work out begins with 100 to 150 pushups.  Yes, I did it too.  To prepare for any Karate, you must be flexible for all parts of your body joints.

Sue



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: knife techniques
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:21:41 GMT

dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:

>Meanwhile, most of us are not fully aware of how these folks move and attack,
>and do not train assiduously unarmed against blades.  Even if a style does,
>it must train against a fast, deceptive, continuous motion style of attack
>in order to be of help.  These guys are not going to come in with one big
>overhand stab, or stick their hands out where you can kick them.  They are
>going to methodically slice you, a bit at a time, again and again and again.
>Very hard to deal with.

This is right.  When you think of defending against a knife, think more
of going against a boxer who does need to deliver *any* power, and where 
every punch ttht lands, even lightly, can cause severe injury.  More than
this, you can get injured by the withdrawing knife as easily as by the 
advancing knife.  

cheers,
gerard

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?) -- note: lengthy post
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:32:23 GMT

In article <1dstrkINNgpe@spool.mu.edu> kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk) writes:
>>If you want to head off to Lebanon to learn the martial arts, be
>>my guest, but I just got done reading an article about a Lebanese
>>karate instructor (the "father of Lebanese Karate" as a matter of
>>fact) who moved to California.

>  However, do you remember where, in what
>  magazine etc., you read that article.  I would be interest-
>  ed in reading it since you more-or-less cited it as a refer-
>  ence -- also, would be interested in reading it since this
>  is a question to which I have given some thought recently.

The article was about David Chaanine (b. c1945).  The citation was:

Karr, Nickolas, "Tae Kwon Do:  A Tool for Peace or Destruction?" 
_Black Belt_, 15:11 (Nov. 1977), pp. 28-32.

Since I'm doing my dissertation on the history of the martial arts in
America, my instructor, Don Burns (martial arts coordinator at I.U.),
is letting my go through his old magazines and files.  This article
was in there.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Summary: read it again
Keywords: Wing Chun
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: garry@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

In article <1992Nov10.021216.2649@reed.edu> mnoell@reed.edu (Matthew Max Noell) writes:
   ". . . nonsense Wing Chun looking garbage. . ."	What?!?  If you know
   anyhing at all about Kung Fu you know that Wing Chun is NOT garbage or
   nonsense.  Get a life.  Wing Chun is a very effective art.  If you really 
   think it is nonsense, then go find a decent Wing Chun school and challenge
   somebody.  Better yet, join and see how long you last!


I am not the poster of the article you replied to,
but I think you misunderstood what he was saying.

He was NOT saying that Wing Chun is nonsense or garbage.
He was saying that the person in the film was doing some
nonsense garbage that resembled (superficially) Wing Chun.

Just like, if you watched any number of stupid TV shows or movies,
you would see someone doing nonsense Karate looking garbage.
This does not imply that Karate is nonsense or garbage.

Then again, maybe *I* was the one who read it wrong.  But I
don't think so.  Most folks on the net here are pretty good
about respecting others' arts, and Wing Chun seems to have
a pretty good reputation.


-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: karate - getting in shape
Originator: srmcinto@c00086-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:54:45 GMT



	Hi!  I am going to start taking some Karate classes in the near future 
and I would like some advice.  What do I need to do in order to prepare for these
classes.  I am mainly interested in the physical training area. If anyone has a 
suggested workout please e-mail it to me. 
	A friend of mine suggested that I do pushups on my knuckles.  What do 
you think?  I would also like some information on how to get my fists into shape
?  I would also like an opinion on full-contact karate.  I am interested in this, 
but I really do not know what to expect.  Any information will be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Sean
From: bex@acpub.duke.edu (becky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Self-Def Courses more Harm than Good?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:32:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.6840
Organization: duke


					Bill you made an excellent point that is sometimes forgotten which
is that the primary role of Self Defense is prevention. THe story you told
 of your friend refusing to walk in a very dark and secluded walkway 
illustrates this point very well.  Although we have to remember that
 every person has a right to walk in those woods without being attacked. 
 A mugging or rape  usually does not start out with a very physical attack 
there is usually an escalation to that point. (Although there certainly are
 exceptions.)  There are other more subtle things to learn to avoid dangerous
 situations such as body language and verbal skills.   This is as crucial as
 learning how to kick, punch and yell and perhaps as difficult.   
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti)
Subject: Re: Women's Olympic Tae Kwon-DO
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:03:22 GMT

In all Tae Kwon Do international competition two bronze medals are
given out. That way they don't have to have another fight to determine
the bronze medalist. 

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From: mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Model Muggin article in New York Times
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:36:04 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:43:16 GMT, I said:

   [snip]

I> Usually there is more than one mugger in class.  He said he finds
I> himself thinking "The other guy made her cry last time he attacked
I> her and I didn't.  Maybe I'm not being men enough."  That must be
                                         ^^^^^
I> really bizarre.  I don't think I could handle this.

Excuse me.  I did not mean to imply any macho posturing on the part of
the mugger.  Of course that should read "not being MEAN enough."

It's hard to imagine how one person could be men enough anyway...
                                                   
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Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Badass Karate (-Do?)
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 23:00:26 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <8586@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu writes:

 > seems to me that one should study an external art first (you more quickly learn
 > how to be comfortable with your body and moving it in an external art, IMO).

Interesting point.  I did indeed start with an external style, and moved
onto an internal/external style (Hapkido) then onto a totally internal
style (Aikido), then back to my current external style.  It has given me
advantages that many "hard" style practitioners don't have, and I'm
grateful for that.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: kick bags
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:34:14 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com's message of 11 Nov 92 19:20:55 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.192055.15817@odin.corp.sgi.com> gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis) writes:

   HI !

   I am interested in picking up a kick bag.  My style excludes kicks that
   use the top of the foot.

   What should I look for?  

   Thank you for your advice.


I'm fond of leather bags, myself.  They wear a lot longer and better than
vinyl or canvas.  Canvas will go pretty quickly if you're a strong kicker...
we had two in our dojang once and they lasted less than a week.  We've
never had a vinyl bag, but leather ones go up to a year, with help from
duct tape after about their sixth month.  

As for size, I'd take a 70-pounder if I could only have one.  
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From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Full contact no protection (was Re: Badass Karate)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:49:30 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <1992Nov4.215421.8721@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, 
cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO) writes:
> 
>      If anyone thinks that Muay Thai is undefeated in world competition, I ask
> you to rent a movie called "Fighting Black Kings", which you can find at any
> good Blockbuster Video.  It is a documentary about the 1st annual Martial Arts
> Invitational in Tokyo...
> The tournament was truly brutal.  You have to see it to believe it.  As the
> TKD dude in "Perfect Weapon" said...."Full contact-no protection...."  

Excuse me if this sounds naive, but I'm suprised that civilized people
actually participate in/allow "full contact no protection" martial arts
competition anymore.  For example, bare knuckle boxing went out a long time
ago.  Yes, boxers still get hurt, but that's not the point.  It's not hard
to imagine someone getting maimed or even killed in a contest as described
above. 

Does this kind of competition still go on?  Does it go on here in the U.S.?
Would it even be legal?

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Badass Karate (-Do?)
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 22:50:21 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <24079@alice.att.com> garry@alice.UUCP writes:

 > From your description, it sounds like you're really talking about
 > toughest training (full contact, etc).  This can vary greatly from
 > school to school within a style.

Yup.  That I was...

 > I suspect, however, if it's tough training you want, you'd have to look
 > at something like SEAL training in the military.  After all, no matter
 > how tough you train a couple o' times a week after work, it's nothing
 > compared to the round the clock, flat out kind of workout these folks
 > go through.  You just have to have the commitment.

Hm.  Interesting.  I train five nights a week.  The only problem I'd
have with training all day five days a week is that I may run a serious
risk of dying from exhaustion... ;)

 > I was gonna say, "You just have to be committed.", but that has
 > several interpretations, probably all true.

ROTFL! 8-)
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Weapons in martial arts...
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:22:45 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov9.190555.9931@analog.com> alex.soto@analog.com (Alex Soto) writes:
>	I am pretty new to this group, and would like to know a little about
>which martial arts teach what weapons.  For example, what does aikido teach,
>what about wu-tang or others?  I took a little of Tae kwon do, but I've 
>never heard of it teaching any weapons.  In fact, don't the very words mean
>something about hands?  I am in the Northeast (Boston to be exact), and I'd
>like to pick a well rounded art to begin my training.  I am a beginner, so I
>don't know too much and would appreciate some advice from others.  If anyone
>else is from Boston, feel free to tell me about what you like of your art / 
>school.

Lots of martial arts styles teach weapons. Kung Fu styles and
Ninjutsu, in particular, include lots of weapons. I believe that
most of the Japanese arts emphasize weapons less, in part because
there are such well-developed martial arts style devoted specifically
to weapons (such as kenjutsu and kyudo).

The system I study, Shao-Lin Kung Fu, teaches numerous weapons,
including staff, short-stick, er chie kuen (nunchaku), tie chie (sai),
dao (broadsword), chang (cane), kwan dao (halberd), chien (sword),
suang dao (double broadsword), hu tou gou (tiger hook swords),
san chie kuen (three-section staff), chain whip, rope dart,
meteor hammer, butterfly knives, monk's spade, throwing weapons, 
and various others.
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: fighting someone of a radically different style
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:25:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov9.132559.17251
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


    I am a student of Karate (Shotokan), and am curious about matches
between people of radically different styles (karate vs. aikido, etc.)
(not for the purpose of determining the "superior" style, or anything
like that). Does anyone know of any tournaments where contestants of
different styles are allowed? Barring that, does anyone have personal
experience of participating or observing such a thing? Please reply to
mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.

Mike Levin
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time for belts/knife techniques
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:56:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov10.133613.21220@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>
>My observation BTW is that the MA that most resembles ballet
>is Kung Fu... but I mean this as a complement.  One of my
>fun memories was spent in a hotel room in CA with some R.MA
>readers and MA practioners watching a fella who practices
>Hung Gar (Larry Pendergrass) the best way of describing his
>technique is beautiful.... and then he would show the application
>of the technique (Hey Mikel, I never did ask, how did that feel :-)

Like someone slowly and carefully inserting a small, blunt, steel
peg into my right collarbone. Incidentally, I have found another
Chin Na that reliably seems to produce the exact same feeling
in the wrist.
From: westreic@skye.oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Thai Pads
Keywords: Thai Pads, sheilds, bags, focus mits
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:53:44 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

In article <1992Nov6.193604.5348@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> rob@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>Anyone know of a mail order place I can get quality Thai Pads.
>These need to be really thick in order to absorb the most powerful
>of kicks.  Preferably leather so that they last a long time.
>I'm not talking about the whimpy equipment made people like Macho, Century etc.

I recommend FIST brand leather faced muay thai pads.


-- 

-Eric Westreich
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cc@cowan.fishkill.ibm.com (Chris Cowan)
Subject: Re: Chinese Belt systems (was Re: 10th Dan)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:40:51 GMT
Reply-To: cc@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: Pough, NY


In article <MHIRSCH.92Nov12112105@volkl.princeton.edu>,
mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
|> >>>>> On 12 Nov 92 02:31:53 GMT, gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene
Tyurin) said:
|> 
|> ET> In Chinese systems there are no belts, dans or whatever and "the
|> ET> rank of a master is measured by the length of his life". 
|> 
|> Hah!  Here in the wilds of NJ there is  "traditionl Dragon Style Kung
|> Fu" school (for which, this posts not withstanding, I have a lot of
|> repect) that has a colored sash system.
|> 
|> When I spoke with the instructor there he expressed horror at another
|> local school that has a colored sash system for _taiji_!  He couldn't
|> understand HOW you could use colored sashes for that.  Kung Fu, maybe.
|> But not TAIJI!

It is not typical of Kung Fu schools.   In most cases, colored sashes or belts
are instituted when the school is commercialized.  (Particularly in the West,
because that's what people expect!)

In my school (7 Star Mantis), you're either a Student, a Disciple or a Master.
You don't need a belt to tell you where you stand, you know.  

Which reminds me of my favorite line from the Karate Kid:
"Mr. Miyagi what belt do you have?"

"JC Penney, you like???"

Chris Cowan
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Women's Olympic Tae Kwon-DO
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:59:12 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Did anyone et to see the women's welter-weight Olympic Tae Kwon-Do 
competition? I here it appeared on stalite, but it wasn't even shown on 
the Triple Cast. I know the bronze medal winner, Danellia Layney, because 
se takes from the same instructor, and I really wanted to see her fight
(I know from sparring that she can kick my a**)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto)
Subject: Re: Big MA/Karate Uniforms
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:53:54 GMT

In article <john.28.7.0@bnr.ca> john.28@bnr.ca (John Ledford) writes:
>In article <Bx77uI.1nB@cs.dal.ca> earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard) writes:
>>From: earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard)
>
>>I was wondering if anyone knows of a Mail-order house for uniforms and other
>>such stuff.  I have a size 7 uniform, but it is too small (Ok, I'm a big
>>boy).  I need a size 8 or 9, and the local people don't carry them.
>>

try The Kiyota company
Hiroshi Kiyota

410-366-8275
410-366-3540 fax

or Asian World of Martial Arts
1-800-345-AWMA
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Subject: Badass Karate
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 23:08:38 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <1992Nov03.152123.2852@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil writes:

 > > But we cannot ignore the fact that Muay Thai 
 > >has consistently dominated in world-wide full contact tournaments. Also, the 
 > >emergence of new hard and particularly brutal styles, such as Gracie, has 
 > >been sudden and very powerful indeed in the world of martial arts.
 > 
 >         Muay Thai - I'll bet that those guys are in better shape than 90% of
 > traditional MA, and they rise through an extremely brutal and competitive
 > system. Is their style better, or are their training conditions just more
 > rigorous? Are we seeing the superiority of a Hard Style or just plain Hard
 > Work?

Well.  Look at it this way.  Mouy Thai uses increadibly vigourous
training methods, body conditioning, hard fighting, fitness training,
and so on.  The make awesome fighters, and dominate world competition.

But how many Mouy Thai artists have you seen fight who are over 30 years
old?  I haven't seen ever 25, personally - their art simply wears them
out.  So, for 5 or ten years, they are superior, then they lose it
(IMHO).

Then look at a hard karate style, or kung fu style.  These guys train
hard too, but you still see them fighting tournament and actually being
able to move around in day to day life when their 40 or so.  Hm.  A case
in point, just to "parade" some people around: Mas Oyama, Kyokushin's
founder and leader, is an old dude of some 69 years or something.  He
still breaks bricks, does kata, and can fight.  He looks old, but not
_one_ of his students wants to take him on in a real fight.  And he kept
fighting tourneys and killing bulls into his latter years...

He's worked hard, and he does a hard style.  You tell me.

Cheers!