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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:33:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

OK guys no more photos or infos...
I think we still need another century :-)

Regards, Elie.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: beduingirl.gif: INFO
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:28:19 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


(This is from 1930, please don't flame me)

Arab childhood does not last very long, and for the girls it ends even
earlier than for the boys. At the age of thirteen or fourteen the Beduin
girl shown above will be considered grown up and a husband will have been
found for her. But while she is yet in the playtime of her life she makes
the very utmost of it as her cheerful smile suggests.
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From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Basil Hamdan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:24:45 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1992Jul23.000241.13998@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu
(...NADINE...) writes:
>  Caption:
>
>
> "Negroes of Hejaz Outside their Miserable Home Built of Dirty Rags and 
>  Ropes"
> 
> There are many negroes in Arabia, some of whom are actuially slaves. Most
> of them are the descendants of slaves brought in the past from the near-by
> African coast. When we compare this negro home, so untidy, so dark and
> airless within, with the lofty substantial Arab houses beyond, which
> appear rather modern, we understand how low is the degree of culture
> to which these people have attained. It is in the shape of the beehive
> huts so common in Africa, and its walls are formed of odd fragments
> of sacking and rags and felt held together by ropes.

Caption:

"Idiots of s.c.l. Inside their Miserable Minds Built of Dirty Cheap Shots and
Hate"

There are many idiots in America, some of whom are actually educated.  Most
of them are immigrants that came in the not so long past from the far-away
Mediterranean coast.  When we compare these idiots' mind, so confused,
so dark and airy within, with the lofty substantial American minds around,
which act rather modern, we understand how low the degree of culture to which
these people have attained.  Their minds are full of holes in the shape of 
the beehive so common in the Mediterranean, and the walls around their
heads are formed of odd fragments of prejudice and ignorance and intolerance
held together by hatred.



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NO COMMENT.
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From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Brotherhood ... one more time
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:07:08 GMT



Hello Ayman,

  It might be very well the case that my statements are ambiguous.
Rather than quoting again and again, allow me to clarify my
stand-point:

  I do not oppose brotherhood, or unity amongst people if that is
their will. Those I call friends are those who have opted for a
peaceful solution by peaceful means, those who are honnest and those
who are victims of the violence, in particular that of the militias
and that of the outiseders.

 The current Syrian regime is as far as I am concerned a militia. It
imposes its will on the majority of the Syrians and it is imposing it
on that of the Lebanese.

 I certainly feel closer to the diseapired in Syria than to the
militias in Lebanon. I feel close to the jews who were injured or died
due to a violent action by some Palestinians, as I do feel close to
those kids who are still dying in the West-Bank at the hand of the
Israelee army.

 My camp is that of the victims. They are my true brothers and
friends.

naji.
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: schoolboys.gif: INFO
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:14:12 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Althought this is not a photo of Lebanon its from the same book, and
I thought it was interesting how things were in the 1930s. I am not
sure if this is the case now. Maybe we can get some feedback from Ali :-)

Figure caption:

"Stern Schoolmaster of Southern Arabia Instructs his Class Assembled in the
 Open Air"

Only the boys go to school in Arabia, since, according to strict Mohammedan
teaching, it would be a waste of time to educate girls, who spend their 
lives attending to household affairs. In most Arab schools, however, the
boys only learn to read the Koran, their holy book, and to recite long 
passages of it from memory. Modern learning and even the scientific 
knowledge possessed by the Saracens, their forefathers, are considered to
be wicked. The cane plays as important a part in Arabian education as it
did a few years ago in this country. (meaning USA) 
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From: csc_alex@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (ALEXANDRE KHALIL)
Subject: Re: European Parliament and the Lebanese legislative elections
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 5 days, 21 hours, 46 minutes since the last quarter of the moon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.155437.8557@prism.poly.edu>, medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar) writes...
>In article <27JUL199223145239@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> csc_alex@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alex Khalil) writes:
>[..]
>>Is there an address [ e-mail or other ], we/I could answer this resolution.
>>
>>How about a common message?
> 
>I suggest that we package european parliament resolution in a letter addressed
>to the UN/White-house/state-dept/..  enticing them to do the same.

Cheers to that.

Any suggestion for a text that most of us will agree on ?

>I can supply the mailing addresses.
>
>bassem

alex
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:17:51 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <1992Jul27.215448.17040@watson.ibm.com> petrak@watson.ibm.com (Raja Petrakian) writes:
>In article <Jul27.185829.72653@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Basil Hamdan) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul26.021955.14741@njitgw.njit.edu>,
>|> elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>|> 
>|> > I repeat one more time.
>|> > The INFOs are not necessarily my views nor are they my words.
>|> > They reflect how the West (in particular the USA) viewed the Middle
>|> > East in the 1930s....
>|>  
>|> 
>|> Fine I agree with you that the west had a misconception for the Middle-East
>|> in the 1930's and probably still does, but why promote it ?  
>|> If your aim is to criticize the West's distorted view of Arabs, then you could
>|> (should?) have included a disclaimer clearly stating that this caption does
>|> not your reflect opinion of how Arabs views Blacks.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> > Gee.
>|> > Elie.
>|> 
>|> Basil
>
>
>Elie,
>
>I urge you to stop posting your INFOs.  They are really provocative.
>I sense that they are causing s.c.l. to become filled with hatred.
>I am not sure why you are posting them, they don't provide any added
>value in terms of information.  They just bring back ugly images from a
>past where the West constantly tried to portray the Near East, Christians
>and Muslims alike, as backward to better control it.  Previously,
>I had found many of your articles to be informative and I appreciated them
>for their content finding myself agreeing with you at times, and 
>disagreeing at others.  Now I find myself doubting your intentions.
>
>Raja
> 


I agree with you on this. Postings should promote positive subjects on scl.
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From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:19:55 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Jul24.192445.1766@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>>
>> "Negroes of Hejaz Outside their Miserable Home Built of Dirty Rags and 
>>  Ropes"
>> 
...
>
>"Idiots of s.c.l. Inside their Miserable Minds Built of Dirty Cheap Shots and
>Hate"
>
>Mediterranean coast.  When we compare these idiots' mind, so confused,
>so dark and airy within, with the lofty substantial American minds around,
>which act rather modern, we understand how low the degree of culture to which
...

(I'd reconsider your last statement given the fact that the photos and
captions are taken/written by the same people you are praising)

I repeat one more time.
The INFOs are not necessarily my views nor are they my words.
They reflect how the West (in particular the USA) viewed the Middle
East in the 1930s. 

You people are too touchy. While the opinions of Hani and Khaled
are low on my list, I do care what you and Bassem have to say.
If you want me to stop, I'll stop.

Gee.
Elie.


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From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: grandliban.gif:  INFO
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:01:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <NMOUAWAD.92Jul23212051@math.waterloo.edu> nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes:
>
>Having said that, no Syrian can speak for the Lebanese people. We may
>have had a lot in common, but as of now this friendly state is on
>hold. As long as Damascus is trying to impose its will on that of the
>Lebanese people no one, I repeat, no one can possibly speak of common
>identity. Identity is hard to define but easy to recognize. It does
>not need to be forced down people's throat. It is up to the Lebanese
>as one people, as one nation to decide whether a unity with Syria is
>desirable. The Syrian regime and all his local and foreign
>supporters are subduing the will of a nation to suit their interest.

Some FACTS for Anwar:

On May 9 1991, Syria's defense minister Mustafa Tlass said:

"SYRIA AND LEBANON ARE ONE COUNTRY... WE HOPE THAT UNITY BETWEEN OUR
TWO COUNTRIES WILL BE ACHIEVED SOON... AND WE SEE THE REALIZATION 
OF THIS WISH FOR WHICH WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING SINCE THE FIFTIES"
 
(Hmmm maybe this union would suit Hani and Khaled. Any opinions Bassem ?)


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From: Elie Dib Wardini (eliedw@ulrik.uio.no)
Subject: Re: grandliban.gif:  INFO
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:12:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.151307.3510@news.clarkson.edu>
saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh) writes:
>
>elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...):
>> Photo caption:
>>
>> "Great Lebanon is Publicly Proclaimed a Separate State"
>>
>> On September 1, 1920, General Gouraud, the French High Commissioner for
>> Syria, publicly proclaimed in Beirut that Lebanon was in the future to be
>> a separate state independent of Syria and under the protection of the
>> French government. He is shown here with the Maronite Patriarch
>> and the head of the Moslem population.
>
>  So it was France in 1920. And under the protection of the French
>  government!! and you blame Syria? 
>
>  Q: who said that Lebanon is independent from Syria?
>  A: France
>
>  That is right.
>   
>  Now if Genaral Gouraud included Lathqiyyeh to Lebanon, Some on the scl
>  will fight for the withdrawal of Syrian troops from lathqiyyeh.
> 
>  Anwar Saleh
>
>

Anwar do you want to discuss the subject or do just you want us to read your
comments as if they were final?

elie wardini
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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Appeal for Iranian Hostages in Lebanon
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:06:51 GMT

 
 Article in the Arab News, July 18, 1992:
 
 APPEAL FOR HOSTAGES' RELEASE
 
 BEIRUT, July 17 (AP) -- The families of four Iranians kidnapped in
 Lebanon 10 years ago and believed killed issued a new plea today for
 word of their fate after the saga of other foreign hostages has been
 resolved. The appeal was made in a half-page advertisement published in
 the independent newspaper 'An-Nahar' along with pictures of the kidnap
 victims. "When will the first of the hostages be released?" the ad said.

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From: noujaim@hsi.com (Nazih G. Noujaim)
Subject: Re: jokes
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.160406.13517@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> jrad@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (ahmad.m.jrad) writes:
>In article <NMOUAWAD.92Jul21122205@math.waterloo.edu>, nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes:
>> In article <37314@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
>> 
>>    eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

  [stuff deleted]
>
>Besides All Muslims are brothers regardless of national origin. Though

 This was proved in the Gulf war.-)

>
>Ahmad






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From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: A question
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:00:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.165621.878@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
(Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.155520.2673@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I.
Mourad) writes:
>
>>Some people argue that by uniting Lebanon to Syria things in Syria 
>>are going to improve, while in fact things in Lebanon will go worse, 
>>and Lebanon would become like Syria.
>
>  The problem with uniting Syria and Lebanon is that the Lebanese do not
>like the way Syria is governed. We should remeber however that, there never
>was a country called Lebanon until the French carved it out of Syria:

pure bullshit!

excuse me but I have hear d this rubbish too long!

Please provide me some sources that indicate the Lebanon was part of Syria!
please for heavens sake!

it seems tha like think that by saying something so often that we are going to
belive you!

support your claims!

By GOD!

>
>
>Regards,
>
>Mazen Mokhtar
>
>

I am sorry for my bad linguo!


elie wardini
From: poey@cicb.fr (Pierre Poey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: RE elie dib wardini et son bouquin
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:43:13 GMT
Organization: CICB - Universite de Rennes I, France

Salut mon pote
A propos de ton livre (si on peut l'appeller livre ) je n'y
rien trouver d'interessant
Soit plus raisonnable et vas te chercher d'autres chats a fouter
Bye

Regards
Piese
From: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject:  Re: grandliban.gif:  INFO
Reply-To: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:13:07 GMT


elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...):
> Photo caption:
>
> "Great Lebanon is Publicly Proclaimed a Separate State"
>
> On September 1, 1920, General Gouraud, the French High Commissioner for
> Syria, publicly proclaimed in Beirut that Lebanon was in the future to be
> a separate state independent of Syria and under the protection of the
> French government. He is shown here with the Maronite Patriarch
> and the head of the Moslem population.

  So it was France in 1920. And under the protection of the French
  government!! and you blame Syria? 

  Q: who said that Lebanon is independent from Syria?
  A: France

  That is right.
   
  Now if Genaral Gouraud included Lathqiyyeh to Lebanon, Some on the scl
  will fight for the withdrawal of Syrian troops from lathqiyyeh.
 
  Anwar Saleh
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Lebanese political circles.
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:44:25 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:

The French Press Agency quoted "Lebanese political circles" as saying
that the success of the strike could only "boost the anti-election
movement and even widen it to include the Moslem camp." The sources added
that the Moslems are "more resigned than enthusiastic" about the 
elections. The Moslem camp has made its voice heard "under an economic
slogan," especially since Moslems are under more constraints than 
Christians when it comes to expressing "their political rejection."

The strike called by the General Confederation of Labor Unions (GCLU) 
to protest sliding living conditions has paralyzed the country today
in what was seen as a blow to the Syrian-imposed Hrawi regime.
Shops, banks, universities, supermarkets and private businesses were
closed throughout Lebanon and traffic was thin in all areas of the country.
The strike was peaceful. The Hrawi regime banned demonstrations fearing
that the Solh cabinet might suffer the same fate as its predecessor.
Living conditions continue to slide with the cost of many basic items
more than tripled since January. Inflation this year exceeded 90%.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: One Lebanese for every three people.!
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:25:07 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO via Leb-Net:
----------------------

According to the first public opinion poll on the issue of parliamentary 
elections, a majority of Lebanese intend to boycott the controversial
general elections planned for this summer.

The survey is published in Monday's edition of Al-Wasat. It was conducted
by specialized Lebanese pollsters between early June and early July, and
covered all parts of Lebanon with the exception of the "security zone" and
Jezzin.

A sample of 1,000 Lebanese were selected according to criteria such as
regions, sects and social class meant to convey an accurate picture 
of opinion among ordinary citizens.

The poll's major finding was that the majority of those questioned had
no intention of casting their ballots.

Al-Wasat noted that the respondents did not hesitate to openly state 
their condition - that General Michel Aoun should run in the elections.
One of the pollsters' observation was the existence "of a current
supportive of Gen. Michel Aoun in a number of Lebanese regions."

The survey also found overwhelming public support for participation
of Lebanese expatriates in the general elections. Al-Wasat noted that 
there was a "near-consensus" on this issue, perhaps in view of the fact
that emigration has affected all religious communitites, and there is "not
a single Lebanese family" that does not have at least one of its members
abroad.

One of the poll's finding was that the Druze of the Shouf mountains are not
only opposed to elections in the presence of any foreign armies, but also 
want the Christians to return to the Shouf to take part in the ballot.

Among the observations made by the pollsters was that people in several 
areas expected to be bribed before casting their ballots.

In the southern city of Sidon, people expected an Israeli invasion to precede
the elections.

And one problem encountered by the pollsters in the Bekaa, the South and
the northern city of Tripoli was the large number of non-Lebanese.
Al-Wasat wrote that they found only "ONE LEBANESE FOR EVERY THREE PEOPLE".

Regards, Elie.
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From: hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu (Hani Nassif)
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:51:31 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu


 (Elie Arafat Hijazi :-)) writes:
[......]
> (El walad walad, wlaw hakam balad) :-)  <--- special for hani.

Ok. ElieM.  Tayyeb, does it make you happy to know that I am really
laughing.  Your jokes are so good, entertainning, thoughtfull,
informative, intellectual, factual, wa shou ba'ad....I am really
impressed.

Now beat it!
-Hani
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From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: The Lebanon, the Greater Syria and the World of the have nothing to loose!
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:14:06 GMT

The Lebanon, the Greater Syria and the world 

of the "have nothing to loos"


FOLKS!

look up to the future!

a promissing one!

we have nothing to loose! 


a good thing that we do not have any nuclear bomb!

we would have nothing to loose!

was it Jew who said: @alayya wa @ala a@daa'i yaa rab?


elie wardini 
with some hope for the future
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (...NADINE...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Determined to prevent anti-election rallies
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:33:55 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From: CLAO via Leb-Net.
-----------------------

General Aoun told Saturday's al-Hayat that the people would act to express 
themselves and this he heralded would be "the beginning of the end of the
abnormal situation." He added: The people's moves would be an opportunity
to "remind the world that there are commitments and UN resolutions calling
for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Lebanon... Our great people
are entitled to express their opinion like other peoples. What was imposed
by military force will not last, and the Lebanese people's free will shall
triumph."

L'Orient Le Jour and As-Safir both quoted sources as saying that the 
Syrian-controlled security forces are determined to prevent any demonstrations
rallies or blocking of roads. L'Orient added that military checkpoints could
multiply in the coming days to block any protest.

Regards, Elie.

PS: For a nice photo of one of the demonstrators who brought down the Karami
    pro-Syrian puppet regime check out July's Life magazine. (I think
    it was the first photo in that issue)
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