From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:00:50 GMT

In article <1gtrluINNqmm@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> > I'm not insinuating anything, it was reported that you made a statement
> > in misc.religion that we ( queers) want rights and privileges of 
> > some sort that we are not willing to give to others.
> > I don't read that newsgroup, and my original inquirey was to get 
> > you to elaborate.
> > Instead you have gotten bent out of shape.
 
> YOU made the comment that I had a hidden agenda, Owen.  As for whoever
> made the comment about something I said, I don't even recall it.  I've
> been accused of enough silliness here that I'm starting to ignore it. 
> But YOU are the one who said I had a hidden agenda, at least have
> the balls to stand behind what you say.

What do you call the article you are replying to ?

Frankly Walter, I'll stand nose to nose and balls to balls with you
any time you want.
this is no nelly queen you're dealing with here Walter.

What you have interpreted as insinuation was an attempt at being 
polite, obviously I didn't do a very good job at it.

> And yes, you bet your *ss I'm bent out of shape.  I get you telling me
> I have an agenda, and then you don't want to say what it is.  I get
> someone else sending me threatening email, and then not wanting 
> to explain himself.  yeah, I'm bent out of shape.  If someone claims
> I said something, ask THEM what I said.  

The article is long gone from my system.
So can you tell me whether you post regularly in misc.religion(.*) ?
Can you recall if you have disscussed this issue on any of those newsgroups
seperately from the disscussion you are involved with here?
I'm just trying to get a handle on this Walter.

> > I stated ( in the parts you cut out) that some of your language
> > is typical loaded language that we hear ad nauseum from vocal
> > anti-queer campaigns. 
> 
> Yes, and since I use some of the same words that they do, I'm
> *one of them*  Pphhttt.

well it certainly shows some sort of connection!
I'm just trying to get a handle on that Walter.

> > none of those *insinuations* is a chargeable offense under any
> > criminal code 
> 
> Silly me for getting upset about something that isn't a "chargeable offense"
> in the criminal code.  

No silly you for getting upset over interpretations of words.

> > If you really want to S.P.E.L.L.
> > out what I think your *agenda* is in detail then here it is.
> 
> That is what I asked, and the least you can do if you claim 
> that someone has one..

We all have agendas walter, thats not the point.
I'm asking you to tell us what your point is, and am pointing out some
similiaritys in your language usage  with people who do have a very vocal
antiqueer agenda. I don't think its out of line to ask about that.

>>I think your agenda is to justify to yorself the negativ way you *feel* about 
>>queers.  
 
> Yeah, I'll bet you *do* believe that. 

That was absolutely sincere Walter.
if you don't believe me when i say that then there is no point in replying
to me at all.

> > I suspect that you consider yourself open minded and fair, but that
> > you hold stereotypical ideas about queers that challenge your sense of
> > fairness. 
> 
> There you are partially right. 

which parts?

> > I suspect that like most parents of small children you desire to
> > create a small piece of the world where they can be safe but that the 
> > unknown variables out there, like sexuality, scare the bejesus out of you.
> 
> Oh, please....was that guy who wrote about the word "homophobia" right, that 
> it is used to make people think others are *afraid* of them?  

I can't take any responsibility for anyone elses words.
I'm busy enough taking responsibility for my own, and trying to get you to
take responsibility for your own.

Now whats wrong with what I said here Walter.
I thought I was being remarkably sensative ?

> > I suspect that your a taurus.
> 
> Now *that* I got a good laugh out of. Hey, you're on a roll.  Keep rolling!
> Can you guess my birthday?  What religion (denomination) am I? Do I wear
> SS boxer shorts? 

It was a joke walter!
Something to lighten up the tone!
get it ?


> > but I would like to hear what you have to say regarding those replies I sent
> 
> To be perfectly honest, until you S.P.E.L.L.E.D out for me what you
> meant by my secret agenda, I saw no point in responding to them, and
> at this point, don;t even remember what they were; I've read so many 
> articles it's hard to keep straight who said what.  And *I'm* still 
> not satisfied with your spelling out.  What was I supposed to have said 
> in another newsgroup that made you think I have a hidden agenda?  
> Until you and I get past that, I have no interest in discussing *anything* 
> with you.  

your move walter.


LUX ./. owen
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