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From: surfdog@ossi.com (John Onusko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Keeping a dog warm in a car
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:35:58 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
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Matt Barney <qmb@inel.gov> writes:

>My wife and I are going to get a yellow lab puppy in a couple of
>weeks and need some advice.

>We like to go snowmobiling in the winter, and rather than leaving
>the puppy at home or in a boarding kennel all day, we would like to
>take the dog with us.  Our plan is to take him with us in the car to
>the area we unload the snowmobiles and then leave him in the dog
>carrier in our Ford Bronco while we are riding (usually about 5 or 6
>hours), but we are concerned with how to keep him warm...

I don't think the puppy will need much more than a blanket. I started taking
taking my dog with me skiing last season, and he (an American Eskimo - no
undercoat) did fine sleeping on the front seat my the truck, even overnight.
During the day, I was usually worried that it would get too hot in the truck
(Tahoe can get warm and sunny, even in the winter), and sometimes I tied him
to the truck outside. At night, I worried that it was too cold in the truck, 
because his water dish would freeze solid, but he never even shivered and
would sleep contently curled up on a blanket. This year I bought him a heater 
to keep him warm - an Alaskan Malamute puppy. Now, if I could only get the
malamute to sleep in the truck without covering it with an inch of drool we'll
all be set.
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From: dgm@garnet.berkeley.edu (D.G. Meads)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Stopping greyhound track
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:39:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov5.170308.21400@b30.ingr.com> you write:
>     I think we're about to have a dog track built in my
>town (...yes....MY town! :> ) and I want to know how to 
>fight it.  I think that's the most inhumane, asinine thing
>that civilized people can do.  Well...ok...among the top 10.
> 
>     Have any of you ever fought a dog track before?  Do you
>have any suggestions?  I'm not going at this from the angle
>of "Gambling is a sin" (I dare you to find a verse in the 
>Bible that indicates that), but I do think it's morally 
>wrong to abuse the dogs the way that they commonly are in
>racing situations.  I'm sure you agree and I will appreciate
>your responses and suggestions.
>
>			Concerned,
>			G. Scott Downey
>			Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)


Good Luck.  I can look up the numbers for you, but believe me, the state in
which you live will probably profit hansomly from the prescence of a dog race 
track.

I think some dog racing states generate 8-10 million dollars annually from
the taxes associated with this disgusting sport.  

Dogs, people and big sums of money are just an awful combination.

Wish I had a suggestion.

Again good luck,
Debbie Meads
and Tyre & Sidon (the polka-dot greyhounds)

p.s.  my two boys didn't even make it to the "track" they were deemed 
undesirable at a year old.  (Most dogs get trained around 1-1.5 years then
start at a track (read $$) around 2yrs)
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: obedience training - where?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:52:08 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1618@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> <2AFF019C.26429@ics.uci.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <2AFF019C.26429@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle
Moore) writes:
>(Re: DOGS USA Annual)...
>Question: do they put out a new version every year or if not, how often?
>

Yes. I think this will be the 4th year. Should hit the newstands about now. I
got my copy last week in the mail (gratis, due to the small ad I run each year
in the Breeder section). Again, great photos; intelligent, well-written
articles; and lots of "factoids" about different breeds, training tips, why 
NOT to breed your bitch, etc.

Marget Johnson.

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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Need a DES source for Vet
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:10:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ


My vet said we'd try putting my Dobie on DES (and taking her
off phenylpropanolamine) to see if it'd help cure leakage -

but she said that she can no longer order DES for her pharmacy
for some reason, saying it's no longer available

there's a pharmacy for people some distance away that still
can order it, but it's very expensive there because it's a people
drug.

Does anybody know what's going on?  Or where a vet can order DES
for her own pharmacy?

thanks
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From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: <None>
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:40:39 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I would like to make a few comments on the horse racing and dog racing
thread we have seen here recently...a few comments that maybe some have 
not thought of.

Have you ever seen a dog or a horse who LOVES running actually doing that?
Some of these horses THRIVE on racing....Yes I know there can be abuse
and that in itself is unjust and unacceptable as far as I am concerned.
And once again, it is the evil of money, the need and greed of money
that is usually at the bottom of it.  But what I am saying is that 
when the animals are taken care of and are allowed to do what they
love, it is a joy to see.

How many have ever been to a dog racetrack to actually SEE what happens?
I did.  I wanted to see if they were being mistreated.  The people
I went with went to bet.  I watched....closely, I even went down to 
the track to see how they were being treated.....of course I cannot
speak for what happens in the kennels or anywhere outside of the track, only
before, during or right after the race, but during the times I watched
they were very well handleed, each dog having his own handler.

I guess what I am saying is that when there is abuse, stop it.  But 
first make sure there is before you generalize and group them all into
the abuse group.  I am not saying I am for greyhound racing.....seeing 
the dogs run, it seems that they love it...I may be wrong, no flames
please on this as i am saying I don;t know.  But I feel without a 
doubt that horses love the running and the racing...I have been around
too many not to see it and feel it in my heart.

I am and always will be an extremely loving person and an animal
lover and adoreer.....I would never EVER allow anyone to hurt an animal.
I have stopped abusive situations many times, by going and saying seomthign to 
people or by reporting them to animal control of whoever is appropriate.
I do not condone animals being abused in any manner whatsoever.  But I 
also know that there are a good many racehorse owners who do not abuse
their animals and do it for the love and joy of seeing the horses do
what they enjoy and love.  It may or may not be the same for the dogs.
Does anyone know?  Those of you who own some of the retired greyhounds
may know much more about this than most.  Any comments?  Feel free to
post here or emila me, whichever you prefer.

Just wanted to say that there may be another way to look at it.

Suzanne

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From: Richard.Tanson@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Tanson)
Subject: obedience training - where?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:02:19 GMT


Where or how, I should say, do you find out about dog obedience classes in
your area, aprticularly, who a reputable trainer is. Have a 12 week old
pup from the local shelter. can reply to tanson.r@fs.library.wlu.edu
Thanks in advance.
.
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From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: EUTHANASIA: Winston
Organization: not much...
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:30:01 GMT

You have missed my point entirely, as I would have expected from someone who
expresses him/herself so dogmatically (no pun intended).

> "It's so easy to say that basically love and all that stuff will produce
> a loving dog..."

I said nothing that you could reasonably have interpreted as implying that I
though that "basically love and all that stuff will produce a loving dog". 
The only occurrence of the word "love" in my post is in the sentence "If you
have children, you'll understand that no dog, no matter how much you love it,
is worth the risk of serious danger to your child."  If you want to argue with
that, do so, but don't use the occurrence of the word "love" to launch an
irrelevant critique of a non-problem.  You have assumed, on the basis of no
evidence whatsoever, that you (1) know how Janice and I train our dogs and (2)
that you know better.  You should perhaps at least have asked her what method
she used, so you could more accurately contrast it with Kohler.

My point was not that your advice was bad, or that Kohler is a crock (I know
nothing about Kohler), but that your presentation was hostile, abusive, and
insensitive.  When someone comes to you distraught, asking for help, you don't
tell her that she's a worthless human being; you ask her whether she's
familiar with Kohler and suggest that his methods may be effective.  That's if
you really want to help, and not just sit at your keyboard feeling smug and
superior.  Janice didn't need reprimands; she needed constructive help.

If you were a fount of wisdom on dog behavior, I guess I could forgive your
arrogance and abusiveness, but the fact is that you seem to be pretty firmly
locked into some peculiar ideas:

[From an earlier post]

> All the ill-tempered dogs I know are owned by ``nice'' people.
> I always root for the dog when I see them together.

The worst-tempered dogs I know are owned by real assholes; several dogs on my
block, whose owners are irresponsible and obnoxious, come to mind.  The nice
people I know typically have good-tempered, well-socialized dogs -- like my
Katie, and her predecessor Fagin.  You must know the wrong people.

> Biting is a response to incoherent authority;  a dog will with
> precisely administered bites try to turn the rhetoric, if he can.

If by this you mean "the *only* reason a dog will bite is in response to
incoherent authority" -- BULLSHIT!  There are *many* reasons why a dog might
bite, including injury, fear, organic disease, and mental illness, just to
name a few.

> I know I'd bite her.

I can believe that you would.  You did the verbal equivalent already.  Lighten
up.  If you want to preach Kohler, you're not going to win any converts by
browbeating people.
From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog run problem
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:32:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <msmith.721068698@eugene> you write:
|> I have an 11 month old black lab that I'm training to be a 
|> retiever(she's comming along quite well I might add). The
|> problem is, when I put her in her dog run she constantly yelps.
|> When she does, I go out and hold her muzzle shut and tall her
|> NO BARK. This method worked just fine when crate training, after
|> a few nights she stopped. But I can't seem to break it with
|> her in the dog run. If I lived out in an isolated area, I'd
|> let her yelp and bark till she realized that it didn't get her
|> anywhere, but using that method would only piss the neighbors off.
|> I really don't want to spend the money on a bark collar right now,
|> especially with Christmas comming up, and 15 people to buy gifts
|> for(man I wish we'd draw names or something:^). Well, any
|> suggestions from the net? Any advice would be greatfull.
|> 
|> Matt
|> --
|> | Matt Smith
|> | UUCP: {uiucdcs,attctc,sun,uunet,harvard}!convex!msmith
|> | OR: msmith@convex.COM  

I don't know anything about the situation, this may be too simple.
Put her in the house with you, where she belongs.
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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19852]: okeanos
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:22:17 GMT

>I know of no breed specific behaviors in those tests.  Therefore each
>individual's chances vary with the quality of training he gets.

I do.  Some breeds are hard to obedience train and some are hard to 
protection train.  I assume the same goes for tracking, retreiving, etc., 
but that is more because of specific behaviors (sniffing, fetching) 
than differences in temperment.  Everyone has had good dogs and 
not-so-good dogs and knows that as one local trainer puts it, "some
dogs are just punks".  Note:  the trainer is held constant here, but
the dogs achieve differently anyway.

>> Or do you not believe that the different breeds were created by
>> breeding?
>
>Separate question.  Of course there is variation between breeds.
>There is wider variation between species.  Competent trainers get
>required results across species, let alone breeds.

Required results across species?!  Do you claim the existance then 
of Sch. III cats and goats?  (The last guy I heard of trying to 
protection train a goat was butted to death).

Damon



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From: dana@rlathena.athena.lkg.dec.com (Dana Mackonis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: beserk puppy
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:21:47 GMT
Reply-To: dana@rlathena.athena.lkg.dec.com (Dana Mackonis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


It sounds more like the poor pup had that horsefly caught in her fur and 
he was repeatedly stinging her -- bit frustrated he couldn't get out.  The
crying = pain, the running = trying to escape the bite, foam = exhaustion.

It may be a bit too late, but you should definitely feel some welts if he was
bit by the horsefly.  I have seen a horsefly/deerfly completely close up an
eye on my dogs when bit near the muzzle.  If you have ever been bitten by one 
of these "creatures of god", you would probably cry too.

In the meantime, keep an eye on the pup.  Even if it was a seizure -- keep in
mind that not all seizures are epileptic, a seizure is a symptom not a 
disease -- it may never happen again.  A seizure is nothing but a short circuit
 of the neurological functions -- to oversimplify the matter.  Many times
this will affect motor reflexes.  

From the description just sounds like a very scared pup.

dana
From: lmkram@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE:re:Dalmations
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:07:53 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

I have two dalmations and they aren't stupid, but they ARE stubborn.
One is the smarter dog, and he is the hardest to handle because he is
also stubborn and will do what he wants when he wants.  They do give hugs
and are affectionate and DO need LOTS of exercise.

Just my 2 cents worth,
Lisa
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From: gurley@spectra.com (Jim Gurley)
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Keywords: uh oh
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:29:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.112626.10101@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA) writes:
>	This is a true story.. and the owner of the puppies concerned
>	has not *yet* turned them into Golden Retriever-skin floor rugs
>
>	One of my friends last week was out rowing, having parked his car 
>	with the 2 Golden 6 month old boys Dover and Marcus in situ.
>
>	He was gone for approximately 2 hours. On his return, not only had
>	the puppies locked the doors, and chewed the car seat covers
>	but they had EATEN the dashboard and literally destroyed it.

Our one year old pound puppy (Ridgeback mix) started life with us badly.
In the space of one week, when he seemed to be adjusting so well, he ate
the VCR controller (batteries and all), my wife's favorite Birkenstocks,
the back cushions off the couch, a full box of chainfeed personal checks,
and a cross-stitch my wife had invested 3 months with.  The next week he
ate the door handle off the inside of the car.

The good news is that after this adjustment period, Boomer has turned into
the very soul of our lives.  I'd spend ANY amount of money if he got sick
and I think I might pick him over my wife (as she probably would too!) if
we had to reduce the household by one...
From: U30993@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:00:57 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

How about... one <relatively> small dog, weighing approximately
35 lbs, opening all the cupboards in the kitchen and removing all
the food, all the labels, eating the dried milk and dried macaroni.
Jumping high enough to grab the loafs of bread off the top of the
refrigerator, climbing up chairs onto the kitchen counter and well,
cleaning it up for us, including the toaster.  And then watering
<euphemism there> everything in sight. Yes, it is a male.  And
chewing the ends of all the rockers in the house. Dumping over the
trash in the kitchen everyday...   Until we wound up with a
kitchen with the garbage on top of the dishwasher, all chairs
pushed in all the time, or something heavy put in them so they
couldn't get up. All cupboards tied together very tightly with
double bow-tied knots. And gates up at all the doors, because
he could open sliding doors.

Feel better now?  My mother says it took seven or eight years
before he finally became a good dog. He was my baby... and I
still miss him.
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: question about size
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:16:19 GMT

I have a question about size and heredity that people with more experience
may be able to help me with.  Often we will get a pregnant dog at our
shelter, as is the case now.  We keep her in foster care until the puppies
are ready to be adopted and then bring everyone into the shelter to find
them homes.  A reasonable question people will have for these seven week
old puppies is, "How big will they get?"  I can show them the mother, but
I don't really know how large a factor she plays.  Is it safe to expect
puppies to be within 20% of the weight of their mother.  With no information
on the father(s?), how confident can we be in predicting the size?  

I'm guessing that if anything the pups might end up being bigger than the
mother because it seems like more 80 lb males are picked up for running 
loose than 10 pounders.  Plus I can imagine the large dogs can get to the
female dogs with greater success.

I'm interested in scientific studies, general observations, anything.  I
just want to be able to advise these new owners what they can expect their
pup will grow into.  I'd like to know typical as well as extreme cases.

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From: bmann@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Common mistake
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:08:01 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

And then there is always Airdale instead of Airedale for the King of the
Terriers.  Barney doesn't really mind how you spell his breed name as 
long as he gets plenty of attention.

Barbara Mann
Wright State University
Dayton, OH
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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Dog eating cat food.
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:40:33 GMT

> Bill Chapp writes:
> A friend of mine has a 15-month-old, male Miniature Schnauzer named
> Grady.  Her roommate recently got a kitten.  Grady just loves to eat the
> cat's food.  She's been very consistent about reprimanding the dog when
> she catches him.  He knows that he's not supposed to do it, because even
> before the reprimand, he'll put his ears and tail down and look guilty.
> Unfortunately, he doesn't stop eating the food.  She had also tried
> adding Tabasco and chili powder to the food, but Grady still chomps it
> down.  Cayenne pepper was very effective at stopping him from eating
> poop when he was just a few months old, but the taste of the cat food
> seems to over power the spice!
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for other things she could try?


I built a 5 foot high scratching post and I feel my kitties at the top.
Before I built it I would always keep the food on a table or counter. Another
idea would be to put a box over the food with a doorway cut out...make the
doorway only large enough for the cat or face it towards a wall, about 6
inches away so that only the cat can get in.

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From: lindy@sea1.larc.nasa.gov (Lindy A. Fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: security gates
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:56:26 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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In article <1992Nov11.110702.2475@inland.com>, walls@inland.com writes:
> Does anyone have a name and phone number of a company that sells tall
> security gates? Our minature dachshund can jump a 32"one very easy.

If you can't find a baby gate that's tall enough, just
put a second one on top of the first.  I had to do this in
two doorways to keep my Golden in when she was a pup.  That
worked pretty well, except one day I didn't fit the bottom
one tight enough, and well....that's an "Oh NO" story...



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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Cracked Tooth, what to do?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:07:58 GMT


Don't worry about the tooth extraction.  My dog lost two of her big,
gorgeous Akita teeth and part of her jawbone in cancer surgery and she's
adapted just fine.  The only thing *you* will have to be concerned about
is change of habit in the way you feed your dog and what your dog can
play with until the gum is healed.  (I was feeding Annie Iams canned dog
food mixed with kibble in the blender every night for a month--yuck :-).