From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: GayBashing question
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:01:47 PST

In <1993Jan24.114201.1411@cltr.uq.OZ.AU>, Yvette Lian writes:

>In article <C0yHH3.5JD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>Let me put this another way.  When are you liberals gonna start screaming
>>about all the "White Bashing" that goes on every day?  NEVER.  Because
>>you believe white heterosexual men are the source of all evil and deserve
>>whatever we get.  I would wager that more white hetero men are victims of
>>hate murders than gays, although I can't substantiate this.
>>
>>When I hear the ACLU standing up screaming at "White Bashers" I will
>>then accede to the term "Gay Bashing" (which is stupid in the first place
>>since it should be called murder or attempted murder).
>>
>>Liberals love to label things to give them special status over non PC
>>issues.  White men get jack sh*t from you guys when we are victims of
>>discrimination in job quotas, hate murders, etc.

>Hey, when you get someone beating you around and calling you "fuckern lezzo
>bitch" (this hasn't happened to me - I'm recalling a friend's experience),
>talk to me.
>When you get pack-raped by a bunch of ignorant guys because it will "teach
>ya what a real man can do", talk to me.
>When you get your guts kicked in and bashed to within an inch of your life,
>simply because you're gay, talk to me.

You give three examples, to which I will respond:

* "Lezzo bitch" bashing:  Assault and battery.  If it's a serious beating, it's
attempted murder.  That's good for 20 years or so--regardless of motive.

* Pack-rape example.  Rape is rape.  All rapes are "hate crimes" (Gawd, I hate
that term) anyway.  Each guilty party gets 10 to 20 years in the coop.

* Beaten within an inch of your life just because you are gay?  Again, it's
attempted murder.  And again, it's good for 20 years in the pokey.

Now, these charges *do* address the seriousness of the crime.  If the sentences
given aren't this long (they usually aren't), then the problem we have is the
judicial system not giving out punishment for existing crimes.  Creating a new
class of crimes isn't necessary; properly and equally enforcing the existing
ones is.

>Meanwhile, don't start spouting about "us liberals".  In case you hadn't
>noticed, people are getting killed, for no other reason than who they are.
>Not because they have money.  Not because the killer knows and hates them
>(not that either of these are good reasons).  Simply because the victim was
>SEEN TO BE gay by the perpetrator. (Their sexual preference here really is
>irrelevant - the basher only has to think they're gay to initiate the
>bashing.)

People are getting killed just because people want their cars or because
they want the contents of their wallet.  These are all evil motivations, but
what is so damned special about belonging to a "victim class?"

>If someone walked up to you and kicked the shit out of you because you're a
>white straight male, you might speak differently about this.  You might
>even say something along the lines of "they have no right to hurt me in
>this way - they beat me up because I'm a straight white male.. I didn't do
>anything wrong".

>And you'd be right - they beat you up because they hated what you are...
>not who you are.

And I'd also be right to believe that it's still irrelevant.  What IS relevant
is that they're prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for the real crimes
they did commit (rape, murder, assault, and so on).

>Question - how many times have you heard of a white person being beaten up
>while having something along the lines of "you fuckern white person, I hate
>all whiteys" yelled at them?

Yeah, sure.  I guess Reginald Denny got what he deserved, right?

I guess I really didn't hear Sister Souljah advocate the killing of whites?

I'm patiently waiting for your answer.


Tim Irvin
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