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From: pantages@bmerh463.bnr.ca (Paul Pantages)
Subject: How about a change of subject, i.e., a few questions about ..
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 05:05:17 GMT

Lets forget about prostitutes for a while and talk about Thai culture
and history for a change.  I was in Thailand recently, and saw many
things and took many photos.  I have many questions about what I saw
there- mostly about the Wats, Buddhism, and Buddhists.  If you can help
me with any of the following, please email:  pantages@bnr.ca

Q1- Wat Anayo, Phayao.  I saw an image of a man with the head of an
    elephant.  I was told that this was called "Plaplom".  People treated
    this image in the same manner as a Buddha image, e.g., 
    lighting candles, incense and offering prayers. 

    Question: what is the significance "Plaplom" and how does he/it/she
              relate to Buddhism?

Q2- Wat Anayo, Phayao. I saw several images of the Buddha seated with five
    serpents (snakes, nagas? ) rearing up from behind. 

    Question: what do the serpents represent? 

Q3- Wat Anayo, Phayao. A statue of a "Garuda". This one was holding a huge
    vase over his head, in the typical Garuda style. Crawling around the vase 
    were what appeared to be young garuda creatures. 

    Question: What exactly is a Garuda, anyway, and were the little ones
              really child-garuda? 

Enough for now. I have many more questions, but will wait to see if I get
any responses to these before cluttering up the newsgroup with more. 

Thanks, in advance, Paul Pantages

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Transfer back request rejected (fwd: Bkk Post Jan 28)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:41:31 GMT
Keywords: Thailand


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FORMER city clerk's adviser Tamrong Pattanarat's request to be 
reinstated as a Bangkok Metropolitan Administration official has 
been rejected, Bangkok Governor Krisda Arunwongse na Ayutthaya 
said yesterday.
 
He said the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) Civil 
Service Committee headed by Interior Minister Gen Chavalit 
Yongchaiyudh rejected the proposal yesterday, claiming the BMA 
does not have any work for another C11 civil servant to oversee.
 
Mr Tamrong was an adviser to the City Clerk and later resigned to 
contest election under the New Aspiration Party (NAP) and was 
successful in the March 22, 1992 election but failed to be 
re-elected in the September 13 poll. 
 
He had a serious conflict with former Bangkok governor Maj-Gen 
Chamlong Srimuang but was backed by the then interior minister, 
Pol Gen Pramarn Adireksarn. He was promoted to an adviser to the 
city clerk, a position created specially for him.
 
The city governor said Gen Chavalit did not attend the BMA Civil 
Service Committee's meeting. It discussed the issue for a long 
time because there was a difference of opinion.
 
A BMA source said at first the committee discussed whether the 
number of C11 civil servants should be increased as the BMA can 
have only one C11 civil servant. 
 
Some committee members said Mr Tamrong should be reinstated in 
order to promote democracy as he resigned to run for Parliament. 
 
The source said others believed Mr Tamrong's request should not be 
approved because his old special position was scrapped with his 
resignation and the BMA does not have any work for him. 
 
The source predicted that Gen Chavalit, the NAP leader will patch 
up the situation by appointing Mr Tamrong as a special BMA Civil 
Service Committee member to replace Dr Kor Sawasdipanich, a former 
committee member who died last week. The interior minister has the 
authority to make the appointment.
 
The committee, which comprises eight members, rejected Mr 
Tamrong's reinstatement request in a secret ballot. Five members 
voted against his request and three members abstained for voting, 
Mr Krisda said.
From: vinita@redbird.pa.dec.com (Vinita Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Survey of international students
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:12:10 GMT
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This is a request for help in a survey of facilities provided to internation
students on different campuses.  I need the information for a class project.

I will appreciate you sharing your experiences of the International Students
Offices in your university with me.  Please let me know of any program that
you thought was useful to you when you joined the school.  Also, if you felt
there was something for which you really needed help and was not addressed
before or after you joined the school.

Thanks for your help.

Vinita
-- 
Vinita Bhatia
vinita@redbird.umsl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA LeRC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:19:16 GMT



In article <93021.110512U21729@uicvm.uic.edu> you write:
>.....................
>I strongly suggest you evaluate your wife and family,
>if they're a good woman or not according to
>standard of the Thai Men that I have mentioned above.

(I think i have to jump out of hibernation on this one.)
Thanks to Khun Greg Demos for his defense of Thai women.
But please be polite and refrain from personal attacks.
I think Khun Laurence (& Khun  Cooney?) said  what he said
on good faith, despite the harsh language that he used.

Someone also said that Westerners should stop criticizing Thailand
because we can't never be the same due to our difference in cultures.
Well, aren't we all walking the easy trail that Westerners have
paved for us, despite the difference in cultures? Sure we can
take criticisms from Westerners and hopefully we too can
constructively criticize them and help them blaze a new trail
that will lead all of us to a new frontier of prosperity,
compassion and wisdom.

And don't we all Thais criticize the Americans and want them to raise 
their daugthers the Thai way, despite cultural differences? :-)

Bye for now. You guy keep up with good ethical standard of posting,
or i will post :-) (and that's a harshest punishment one can have :)

-tawit

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From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: last call before big change
Date: 29 Jan 1993 08:35:24 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
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Dear All,

I am compiling the "final" version of the smail 3.1.28 (#12) and will
install it for real after a lot of extensive, and hopefully adequate,
test.  You may experience difficulties after this.

I will try my best to restore everything to normal as soon as possible.

Service Foremost,

--fyta

Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
Centers of Academic Resources           Voice:  (662) 218 2925
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From: popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: The Good woman in Thailand
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:37:47 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Hi 

When your Guys will stop talking about Thai women in this net works. There is
some other things more interesting than this story. Everybody knows it is the
problem for Thailand. But everywhere in the world there will be service ladys.
Please stop talking about this. Ok. Otherwise, why don't you set up another net
work for talking about lady.


Sawanit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Jan 24: A new city -- Will it work?
From: cvadrgih@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:29:49 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrgih

> Chulalongkorn's architectural lecturer Manop said a new city must 
> have a major activity as an attraction. The city of Nevada in the 
> middle of a desert, for example, has casinos as its main 
> attraction, he said.

     There is one minor error I noticed here...  The city is Las Vegas.
It is in the state of Nevada.  Gamboling is legal everywhere in Nevada, but
L.V. is the BIG attraction....
From: csa@henson.cc.wwu.edu (csa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Looking for alumnis from KHON KAEN
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:58:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan23.225823.9091
Organization: Western Washington University

Looking for alumnis and student from the Hua Qiao school in Khon Kaen.
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:04:35 CST
From: <U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE: A GOOD WOMAN IN THAILAND

>> Laurence, you're dreaming of the 80's. A square meter of land around
>> Dusit hotel (in Chiang Mai) costs at least $40,000(US).
>
CORRECTION. IT'S $4,000 (US) AND NOT $40,000.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:46:09 GMT

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
: 
: Well, well, Khun Samart!  I'm not your favourite poster?  Could this
: perhaps be because you have lost face over the cmu incident?  You left
: it to the readers to say whether they thought your defence of cmu was
: convincing and we had 3 against, none for, and a few emails to me saying
: that your case was not convincing - total around 6 against, none for if you 
: believe me about the email.  I've nothing against you, but I can't help feeling
:  that you're not as willing to discuss certain aspects of Thailand as some of
: your postings suggest.
									   
And he claims he's not bitter about his adventures at cmu. And yet that
subject somehow manages to insinuate itself into every theme.             
We have not heard the cmu side of the story, and we can actually only
speculate. My guess is that the following is an approximation to the
truth. Khun Lawrence rubbed somebody the wrong way, an activity for which
he has a real talent. That somebody decided to "fix" him. In every
country,my dear Lawrence, there are people who dislike being insulted or
slighted, and some of them are not above seeking revenge. That's probably
all there is to it.							  
Anyone with any experience of academic life, particularly in the UK and
the US, knows that academe provides a refuge for a certain species of
borderline paranoid who would find it difficult to find other employment.
These people are marked out by a tendency to become furiously indignant at
all real or imagined infringements of their "Rights" [ a favourite and
diagnostic word]. Anyone who knows the Thais will know what they will
think of such a one: they will regard him with utter contempt. Farangs of
this type invariably end up having a hard time in Thailand. Usually, that
is what they deserve.  							  
: 
: My point is that arguments about whether the bargirls or good or bad people etc.
: are irrelevant, and trying to tackle the problem in isolation (if indeed,
: it is recognised to be a problem) is simplistic.The high incidence of
: prostitution arises from much more fundamental defects in Thai society,
: social organisation, the economy, management of the police, licensing of
: businesses etc.  Also they exist because a significant number of Thai people
: want them to exist - those Thai men who use prostitutes (a very substantial
: proportion), those who make money from the tourist sex industry, the police
: chiefs who benefit from the trade, the hotels and other tourist-related
: industries that depend on it etc.
: 
This is the most pretentious and vacuous statement about this matter that
I have ever read. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:31:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.025855.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>
>beautiful, but so too are Chinese, Filipinas, Laotians, Cambodians, Malaysians,
>Singaporeans etc - S.E. Asia is very fortunate in that respect.  I think

I agree totally!
>
>Incidentally, you have ignored the very large amount of 'service boys' in your
>text above - the country is a top favourite with homosexuals who use their
>services, and underage boys are far more common than underage girls in the
>sex market.  You have also ignored the katoeys [ladyboys] [transexuals and
>transvestites].

I wasn't aware of that. See, netting can be a very educational
experience.
>
>
>Most of us couldn't care less about what people might say.  I agree that

Not according to some articles I read on sct.....

>
>Any reason for visiting Thailand is a 'right' reason.  It is neat and
>convenient to divide tourists into 'sex tourists' and culture tourists, but
>the distinction frequently becomes blurred within 24 hours of arrival.
>
I have a gut feeling that you may be right. Temptations of the flesh may
be difficult to resist. I have no difficulty walking around in the
red-light districts of Amsterdam, without my hormones going haywire,
though. (I'm from Holland) But still: better play it safe and go
together with my wife (which is the normal thing to do anyway, I
think.), who is from China.

>laurence
>
Greetings,
MCR 1/27/93
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:00:17 CST
From: <U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE: A GOOD WOMAN IN THAILAND (PRICES)

>> Laurence, you're dreaming of the 80's. A square meter of land around
>> Dusit hotel (in Chiang Mai) costs at least $40,000(US).
>
CORRECTION. IT'S $4,000 (US) AND NOT $40,000.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: aahmed@qucdn.queensu.ca (A.Ahmed)
Subject: none
Keywords: none
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:07:23 GMT

test
From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: The Good woman in Thailand
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:56:44 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1993Jan24.022318.23273@netcom.com>, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
	[STUFF DELETED]
> 
> You should forgive us that copies of political articles from
> Bangkok Post and other papers are of little if any interest to 
> us, as I feel many people are generally fed up with politics,
> particularly in the US.
> 

But then to others of us those very same articles are of 
considerable interest. That's the great thing about the 
group, isn't it? -- that we can skip what we don't care for, 
be silent if we've nothing much to say (as in answer to 
Tony's perhaps too general request for information on Thai 
culture), and speak our minds when so moved. 

				-- Seamus Cooney
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: American Boy Marries Thai Girl
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:30:30 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara


 Sawasdee Khrup Tuk Kon

 It appears that I have offended several people with my original posting.
 It has been suggested that I am racist and sexist and have acted without
 discretion.  I reread my original posting but could find nothing wrong
 with it.

 However, I feel that an apology is necessary.  I do appreciate the
 opportunity to communicate with so many Thai people and citizens of other
 nationalities.  I have no intention of deliberating insulting anyone or
 trying to make them feel inferior.  Please accept my humble apologies.

 I can only say that because the English language allows many words to have
 more than one meaning, perhaps my intentions were not clear.  Or perhaps,
 behavior that I would consider normal is considered abnormal by others.
 Sometimes, I find it difficult to describe "average" behavior for Americans
 because we all feel the same about certain beliefs and customs and we all
 feel differently about other beliefs and customs.

 If you feel that this global apology is not sufficient, please write to
 me directly and describe how I offended you.  I really don't know how I
 did.

 Sincerely,

 tim
 tstil@auspex.com
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai Movies
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:44:47 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara


 Sawasdee Khrup Tuk Kon,

 If you have not seen "Dracula" yet, I strongly recommend it.  I watched
 it in Mah Boon Krang in Bangkok.  

 For those of you who do not know, Thai theaters are like Philippine theaters
 and not like American theaters.  The seating is divided into sections.  The
 price per seat is different for each section.  In American, the price is 
 the same everywhere.  In Thailand, there isn't a balcony so you can sit
 above everybody and throw popcorn on their heads or kiss your girlfriend
 without (her) worrying about other people watching.  You cannot look around
 and see anyone quietly kissing in the corner.  On the other hand, they do
 have real ushers that look at your ticket and walk you to your seat with
 a flashlight to show the way.

 But, the floor isn't sticky because people have spilled (or deliberately 
 dumped) their soda on the ground.  Also, hardly anyone talks during the show, 
 even if it is exciting like Rocky IV!  In fact, nobody says anything even
 if the movie is blatantly pornographic (Blind Instinct) or very scary
 (Dracula).  I took the opportunity to attempt to grab my wife's neck
 everytime Dracula bit someone in the neck or one of the heroes chopped
 off a head.  I was surprized that nobody else had thought of it. 

 tim
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:25:07 -0500 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NECTEC Representative


    I forgot to give the e-mail of Khun Apinetr in my last message.

    Apinetr Unakul
    pong@nwg.nectec.or.th 

    From now on, please contact Khun Apinetr directly for information
regarding NECTEC. 

:-Schitt  Laowattana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Date: 25 JAN 93 14:32:21 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        Finally we have Dr. Tawit of NASA back on the net to discuss this
hard topic "the good woman of Bangkok".
        For about 2 - 3 weeks we have been bouncing back and forth about the
prostitutes.  Someone even gave prices and qualities and places where to get
those prostitutes.  Please stop talking about the prostitutes in negative ways, because it does not help.  Every one knows that the prostitutes reflect bad
images of the country, but only blaming is not the way to solve the problem.
                                Bunlur
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:44:00 GMT

In article <93021.110512U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U21729@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>        What's the point? I didn't get the point from 'The Good
> Woman of Bangkok'  posting. Maybe someone could pin point what
> the poster was trying to say. Was he trying to say that Thai
> women is easy? To be a little more precise, what are you
> trying to say Mr. Godfrey and Mr. Cooney? It seems like
> you two are on the same team. Are you trying to degrade
> Thailand? Are you happy doing it? And why do you think
> prostitution is bad? There's prostitution all over the
> world. And not all prostitutes are bad people. Some
> prostitute are very selective of the man that they
> are going with. I'll give you $80 and I guarantee you
> that not all woman at Pataya Beach will go and have
> sex with you. If you're ugly, you're going to have
> a real hard time picking up a good looking prostitute unless
> you pay them a lot of money(talking about $400 and up).

Don't be absurd - the going rate in Pattaya is B500 per night,
or $20.  Of course the odd farang gets charged two or three times
this, but $400!  Come on!  Besides the rate in the Thai lady houses
in Chiang Mai is around 50 - 80 B.


> Any way, at least they're doing for money. Unlike some girl
> that are doing for free, jumping from dorm room to dorm room
> and have sex with several men. One girl gave a friend of
> mine a blow job inside of America's Bar (Chicago) during  the
> New Year eve. Another girl gave my friend a blow job
> inside of his car and she doesn't his name. I think

My, what a child you are!

> what Mr. Cooney trying to say about Thai women is that
> they are easy. That's the impression that I received from
> the title of his poster. Let me tell you something Mr. Cooney
> and Mr Godfrey, some men in Thailand only consider a woman to
> be a Good Woman only if she is a virgin until marriage.

I am well aware of this, and so probably is Khun Cooney.  You have
missed the points of both of our postings.

> I strongly suggest you evaluate your wife and family,
> if they're a good woman or not according to
> standard of the Thai Men that I have mentioned above.
> 
> My point is that not all prostitutes are bad and you should
> not down grade them. And not all Thai women are prostitute.

I wouldn't disagree with either of these statements, nor did I
in my postings.

> People have a different point of view. You may think you're
> the best and others may think that you're just a a bunch of
> loosers. You may think your wife is 'The Good Woman in America
> or Brit', but others may think she's as loose as a goose.
> 

Grow up.

> 
> 
>                           Greg Demos
From: popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thailand proposes solution to Cambodian conflict
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:52:56 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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