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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:37:09 EDT
From:         "Robert L. King" <BOBKING@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Re: *IDENT and LFSADM and WLFS with IUCV
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 <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

I'm a bit confused about what system you are running.  The content of
your original posting indicated it is VM/ESA but this discussion is in
VMXA-L, not VMESA-L.  I'll assume you're running VM/ESA.

The name DIRECTXA in VM/ESA is an unfortunate consequence of upward
compatibility concerns.  In VM/ESA it doesn't have anything to do with
VM/XA; VM/XA is just its heritage.

On VM/ESA connection to *IDENT should work just fine.  On VM/XA *IDENT
should be ignored by DIRECTXA if the MIXED option is specified, as Bill
Hunter said.  If not, DIRECTXA flags it as an error.

APPC/VM has two interfaces, a high-level language usable one called CPI-C
and an assembler-level one called, unfortunately, APPC/VM.  They both
provide essentially the same service.  APPC/VM, and CPI-C, connect to
TSAF collections and SNA (VTAM) networks.  How PVM works and why WLFS
can't be used with it I don't know.  We're already well beyond my limits
with the communications stuff.

Bob King                        InterNet: bobking@gdlvm7.vnet.ibm.com
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From:         Bill Hunter <BHUNTER@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: *IDENT and LFSADM and WLFS with IUCV
              8 Sep 1992 11:58:33 CDT from <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:58:33 CDT Rick Troth said:
>        Thanks to the several people who replied.   Thanks to Bob King
>for relaying the message from Chris Meyer.   I was about to say,
>"forget it,  it's just a VMSECURE problem",  but then ...
>
>>From Chris Meyer:
>>
>>The *IDENT system service went into VM/SP5 and is carried over into VM/ESA.
>>However, it is NOT available in VM/XA.
>
>        Then how come that text is in the DIRECTXA MODULE?
>
Perhaps it is there to support the 'MIXED' option on DIRECTXA....
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:38:58 PDT
From:         "Dwight M. McCann" <DWIGHT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: *IDENT and LFSADM and WLFS with IUCV
              9 Sep 1992 13:37:09 EDT from <BOBKING@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>

Bob,
   There is reference to *IDENT system service in some manuals that come
with VM/XA (GCS I think.)  I, too, stumbled around trying to find out
what this thing was and if it was in my VM/XA system this past year. In
the past, many nice (and some not so nice) enhancements have been "slipped"
into VM without much notification to customers, so we often try to "sniff
out" vague references.

Dwight
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From:         Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: *IDENT and LFSADM and WLFS with IUCV
              9 Sep 1992 13:37:09 EDT from <BOBKING@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>

>I'm a bit confused about what system you are running.

        VM/XA SP 2.1

>On VM/ESA connection to *IDENT should work just fine.  On VM/XA *IDENT
>should be ignored by DIRECTXA if the MIXED option is specified, as Bill
>Hunter said.  If not, DIRECTXA flags it as an error.

        That's what's happening.   Thanks very much for the feedback.

        WLFS will work on VM/XA,  but without *IDENT,  you can't do the
administrative stuff from CMS  (this means that you can't do most admin.
*at all*  on VM/XA).   What I'll try is to do some admin. initialization
from a second-level SP5 guest,  then once I have the WLFS disks the way
I want them,  attach them to the first level WLFS on CP/XA.

>APPC/VM has two interfaces, a high-level language usable one called CPI-C
>and an assembler-level one called, unfortunately, APPC/VM.  They both
>provide essentially the same service.

        That clears it up for me.   Thanks.

"Good enough"  isn't.
Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>, Rice University, I/S VM Systems Support
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From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re:      Re: what to do in a world that trivializes intelligence
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In article <POLITICS%92091416453484@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,         
SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET writes:
>  The headmaster of our *private Christian* school recently claimed that we
>  had 90 denominations in attendance.  

[snip]

>  When the school atmosphere is Christ centered, the students don't seem to
>  have such a great need to reconcile themselves to one another.  Why should
>  they?  After all, they're children of the same "G"od.

90 flavors of vanilla.  Wowee.

What are the racial demographics of your private Christian school?  The
economic?  The ancestory?

>  No, not just the favored part, but the flip-side is also true.  Education
>  without biblical values can hardly be considered *whole knowledge*.

Sure it can.
-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:50:01 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Homosexual Panic

>I would LOVE to discuss how I am such an amoral person because God gave
>me the wonderful gift and ability to love other men.

I'd settle for knowing what ability we're talking about.

Is there really something that a Kinsey 7 can do that a Kinsey 1 can't
(or vica versa)?

Then we can discuss the nature of the gift.  Is an orientation towards
MOTSS* really any more (or less) wonderful than one towards MOTAS**?

-andy

*  - Members of the Same sex
** - Members of the Opposite sex


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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:06:08 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: democratic platform/homosexuality

j.b.:
>Anyone heard of the hypothesis that AIDS made its way into the
>human population because of uncareful research for polio vaccines?
>I read this in _Rolling Stone_ a few months ago, but I had heard
>that it had been covered in _Time_ or something.

Yeah, I read that article.  Pretty interesting.  Check out _Natural
History_ magazine -- probably the latest one, maybe a month before that --
and look for the column by Jared Diamond in which he discusses the various
proposed mechanisms for the origin of "human" HIV.  Diamond, btw, is a cell
physiologist, and generally knows what he's talking about.  Anyway, there
are several possibilities, and the verdict is still out.  And it may stay
that way  :)

Kerry
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In article <POLITICS%92091112514484@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET (Jamie) writes:
 > One might think that because of the conservative bent of the new
 > appointees, the Court would adopt a laissez faire attitude,
 > allowing state governments to pass laws as long as they aren't
 > very clearly unconstitutional. But it hasn't shaken out that way
 > so far.

This has long been a contention of mine - that the simplistic labels of
'conservative' and 'liberal' just do not stick well on Supreme Court
members.  There is a long history of people named to the court who had
a label pasted onto them during the confirmation process, then went on
to confound both their critics and supporters by actually listening to
the arguments presented and doing their honest best to be fair and
reasonable in their interpretation of the constitution and existing
precedents.  Chief Justice Earl Warren, long hated by conservatives for
leading a liberal court, was considered to be a conservative at the time
of his nomination.


> All of this reminds me, Welcome Back, MacRae.

Thank you.

> Jamie

						Andrew MacRae
						
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:46:00 EST
From:         Tyrone Slothrop <199561011@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: democratic platform

From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: democratic platform

> the right to strike without fear of loosing one's job.  Labor unions have
> evolved from useful tools for protecting workers into greed machines.  With
> unemployment of skilled workers at current levels, it is ridiculous that one
> could go on strike without being concerned that a *grateful* person would
> soon replace him.
>
>        an economic environment like today's is perfect for businesses
>        to cut employee's benefits, pay, and work conditions severely
>        (thus increasing profit), and if the employee dosn't like it,
>        s/he can easily be replaced.  job security is very low, and
>        the result is that the american worker gets screwed.

Jobs can't survive unless they produce more than they cost.  Strike
rules can't change that.  The choice isn't between a pay-cut and
paradise, it is between a pay-cut and a layoff.

        when you say this, are you including the extravagent saleries
        of the CE's and other bigshots into the cost of the job,
        or are you saying that jobs can't survive if they cost more
        than they cost elsewhere (say, mexico).

>        it would be an interesting excercise to replace the word "guns"
>        with the word "drugs" in the above sentence.

That exercise shows that the Demos are at least as clueless as the
Repubs.

        yer missing the point.

> public funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.  This is without
> any restriction!  Just what we need, more taxpayer funds being spent to
> purchase bullwhips to shove up the rears of Mapplethorpes (sp) models.  As
> has been stated to many times to remember, REAL ART doesn't need artificial
> support!  Taxes  Taxes  Taxes
>
>        when was the last time you bought art supplies?

The supplies for my art are much more expensive than those for traditional
fine arts.  Does that mean I'm owed a subsidy?

        may i ask what your art is?  the point of my statement was that
        often artwork sells at prices lower or equal to the price of the
        materials that are used to produce it.

>        yup.  still, i don't see how this will help the schools that need
>        help the most.  instead, it will give further support for schools
>        that are already doing ok, and do it by stripping that funding to
>        the schools that are already underfunded and in really bad shape.

It also strips students from them.  If they're really that bad, why is
replacing them such a horrible thing?

        replacing them isn't a horrible thing.  stripping away half their
        students and half their funds and leaving the rest to rot is.

-andy

        brni
        support american workers: buy imported.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:12:11 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: KAT is bad if and only if Jimbo is harmful

From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>

> Hi Jamie:

> What are the terms of probation?

> --Missy P 2 B

And it is so much like you liberals to release criminals without
informing/consulting with their victims.

--KAT :-)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:41:59 -0400
From:         SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: private education

 *** Resending note of 09/11/92 23:20


 >Just out of curiosity:  what was the agenda of the meeting?  I'm sure
 >an emotional issue might be capable of bring SRO crowds...
 >MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu

 At ours, there really wasn't an agenda per se.  It was billed as a "HOWDY"
 night, an opportunity to meet other parents and school personnel.

 I didn't mention earlier, the expenditure per student is approx $2400.00.

 ---Robert
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Subject:      Re: It's always the money

>How about if each taxpayer got to *keep* that 1/4 of a cent (and a lot
>more besides) and buy and sell whatever art, architecture, literature,
>drama, and entertainment he or she prefers?

    Ahhhh.... so only people who can afford art deserve it, huh?

>--Missy P 2 B

G. Racz
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:52:02 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: let's rephrase the question

>   Actually, the human species has a definite survival interest in
>  NOT producing offspring. The single largest environmental
>  problem is overpopulation.

Let me see if I understand this.  Are you claiming that some
people are gays and lesbians as a response to the environment?
Kind of for like the reason why our pinky is small is that we
don't use them a lot?

I never heard *that* before.

--KAT
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:12:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: '96 ?

I was being sarcastic, asking if they would both dodge that kind of draft too.
But your message was interesting.  By the way, what do you all think of
Kemp's chances?

Chris
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In article <POLITICS%92091011494035@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET (Kerry Stephenson) writes:
 > Dunstan is right.
 > 
 > Population is not the problem.  And it is even less of a problem in
 > the United States, where the population growth has remained below
 > replacement level since 1972.
 > 
 > We aren't having too many children; we are having too few.
 > 
 > --Missy P 2 B

According to my handy-dandy CIA World Fact Book of 1991, the birth rate
for the US in 1991 was 15 births / 1000  while the death rate was 9 / 1000.

Have you any citation for your claim?


						Andrew MacRae
						(yawn, that was a nice nap)
						
						
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New York Senate Race
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:05:00 EDT <CMORRISO@SNYESCVA> said:
>I mean, most people I know who work for a living spend most of the day
>fighting over who should clean out the coffee pot and whether to open the
>windows.

Must be nice to have windows to fight over.  We're in a basement sans
windows, 85F year 'round, no ambient airflow and everyone has a fan
in their cage.

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Subject:      Re: read my lips: I have family values
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              10 Sep 1992 20:28:53 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WV NET.EDU>

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:28:53 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:
>
>So that kind of leaves the question of should poorer families have the
>opportunity to attend private schools.  Um, sure.  I *still* don't see how
>$1K per child (for families earning under $40K -- I think --) is really
>going to help "poorer" families.  Unless "poorer" means richer than I am :)

I'm not sure I have an answer for that one, but I'm still curious about
how vouchers in general seem to favour the rich as you asserted, regardless
of the amount...

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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:54:33 -0400
From:         SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: French & EC

 *** Resending note of 09/15/92 02:43

 > Just wondering, what's the current prognosis on the French EC vote?
 > Last I heard, the "No" side had the advantage.
 >
 > ---Robert

 >>Still too close to call. Mitterand has made the mistake of staking his
 >>political future on it (as has M. Delors), which may tip the balance
 >>to "non". My gut feeling is that they will say "oui", but we may yet
 >>be in luck ...
 >>Dunstan

 Well, here's hoping for the big "N O".

 ---Robert
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:25:00 EDT
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: RE: democratic platform

A minor quibble about Mapplethorpe:
>
>  Well that makes it all better.  We're not only funding his *art*, we're also
>  buying his sexual pleasure enhancement devices.  I also think that Judge
>  Garth would take exception to Rowdy and the boys using the ranch supplies
>  in such a fashion.
>
>         chances are he already had the whip.  we only supplied the
>         lighting, camera and developing equipment and supplies, and
>         the k-y.

That is not my understanding.  I thought the NEA only funded the
exhibit, not the photographs themselves.  The exhibit was an overview
of his life's work, and contained only a handful of photos that were
considered "offensive."  So what we supplied was the opportunity for
more people to see an original print of a photo that Mapplethorpe made
on his own.

Best,
Peter

>         brni
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:49:54 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bosnia conflict

>Let us face it. If we cannot do something in the Bosnian massacres
>(and others) the least we can do is to admit that we should do
>something.

Who has said that we shouldn't do something?  The fact that we haven't
done certain things is explained by the evidence showing that those
things won't work.

>Producing all kinds of arguments and justifications will lead us no
>where.  For the sake of self respect, let us admit that we are
>mistaken.

About what?  Everyone agrees that the situation is a "bad thing".
However, that doesn't imply that sending in the troops will
solve "the problem".

>The NATO estimated that a MILLION troops are required. Imagine that!!!!!!

Yes, imagine that.  Moreover, what will happen to those million troops
and what do they mean by "troops"?  Do they mean 1E6 infantry
soldiers, each of which is requires several support personnel?

-andy
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From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The War Between the Jasons

The reason that there are no shared bathrooms is that the vast majority
of people do not want them.  Am I spoiling everybody's fun?

Chris Morrison
CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 1% Tax Cut
              12 Sep 1992 13:11:31 EST from <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

>> Just a quick note that Bush's 1% tax cut is much less
>> progressive (I know some of you are saying, "so?") than
>> his earlier proposal to give a tax rebate (yes, rebate)
>> of $300 per child (or was it per person?).

>>I told you so.   :-)

> *If* Clinton is elected, remember your concern about how stingy
> Bush's tax "break" is and I'll wager we can return the favour of
> "I told you so" during his term when he raises your taxes even more.

Who said I am for Clinton?  At any rate, Clinton says he wants
to increase taxes on the rich and either not touch or decrease
taxes on the middle class (that is me).  Now it seems that you
are implying that Clinton is lying.  Bush said he would not raise
taxes and he did.  So he is a certified liar.  He increased
pay for the federal employees and now he wants to reduce it.
He thought abortion was murder but now he thinks its the
woman's choice.

I have to hand it to him.  He is smart and catches on fast.
He has realized that the best political position to have these
days is to be against Bush.  That is what he is running on;
he is against Bush.

> MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu

--KAT
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:13:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The War Between the Jasons

>>> So one need not go to school with other races to be equal to them,
>>> right?
>> ok, let me get this straight: you are comparing unisex bathrooms wit h
>> uniracial ones?  or maybe school and bathrooms?  do you perhaps see  a
>> difference between Jack and Jill going to the toilet together and Ja ck
>> (white) and Jill (black) going to school together? NO?  Can't help y ou
>> then.
>Well, can anybody else, then?  Does it have anything to do with moral
>standards??
Or better yet, do you perhaps see the difference between Adam and Eve
and Adam and Steve? NO? Can't help you then.
> -Travis
-Travis
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