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Subject: Re: swords
From: <TB25ENGW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 15:32:27 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Greetings to all,
          I would have three major concerns if I were at an event and
faced by three gun toting fools.
 
          The first is that though I am as confident as the next fighter in
my abilities, my sword is still not faster than a bullet, which leads to my
second concern, that being my armor is not bullet proof (yet).
 
          However, if pressed into a confrontation I, like many others I know
would not back down out of regard for personal saftey.  I know I am willing
to take risks to stand up against such pressure.
 
          But this brings up my third concern, that being the other people
at the event.  Maybe I am fast enough to tackle three armed men, but if I
do tie into them and they start shooting there is a good chance of a stray
shot hitting someone else.  Also anyone who tried to come to my aid could be
seen as a threat and target.
 
          To defend myself or another in danger I would fight, but I would
not want to take any actions that would endanger others.  If faced with
the choice of backing down to the gunmen or putting my friends at risk by
a potential conflict, I would be forced to back down.
 
          Events are fun, but there will always be another event, where
an armed confrontation may end the life of one I hold dear.
 
 
                                In Service to the Dream,
                                Nikidemus
                                Barony of the Flamming Gryphon
                                Kingdom of the Middle
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From: stevenr@coch11.alleg.edu (Rebecca Stevenson)
Subject: SCA members in NW PA?
Reply-To: mccombj@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:54:00 GMT

Greetings!  I am a nineteen-year-old college student living in the exact  
center of the geographical region denoted by Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and  
Buffalo, otherwise known as the gate to the underworld, Meadville, PA.  I  
have been interested in SCA for a couple of years, but I'm having  
diffiuculty making connections.  Could some kind person give me  
advice/help as to who/how to make contact with the organization in this  
region?  Thanks in advance!
Rebekah
From: PBOYNTON%SESCVA@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (ROWENA NI DHONNCHAIDH)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SWORD HAND/SHIELD HAND
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:16:05 GMT
Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222

|>
|> Your children learn "sword hand" and "shield hand" long before learning
|> "right" and "left."
|>
|> This is also how we teach our stick jocks to dance....
|>
This works really well just as long as the fighter is a rightie.
My poor husband gets very confused when he is learning to dance
since he is a leftie. :)

Has anyone noticed the stong influx of new fighters who are lefties
lately. I heard rumor that 3 out of the 4 semi-finalists for Cynagua
Coronet were lefties?

       Also, His Royal Highness of the East, Sir KI,  is a lefty -  as
are his 3 squires and at least one man-at-arms.
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Welsh name question
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:05:53 GMT

In article <james.721078595@wrs.com>, james@wrs.com (James Moore) writes:
> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
> 
> >The Welsh letter "f" is always pronounced "v".
> 
> Unless, of course, there are two of them together, in which case
> it's pronounced exactly like English 'f.'

Sheesh... :-)

And people complain about simple, easy to pronounce names like Bjalfi
or Hrolf....

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: pavao@cae.wisc.edu (Pavao Aaron)
Subject: Re: Pennsic War\Fair (was Eastrealm Crown)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:57:23 CST

Kill! Kill! Hate! Hate!
Murder! Murder! Mutilate!

Blood makes the grass grow!
Kill!  Kill!!  KILL!!!!!

Humbly submitted... ;)

-> Shandler

SCA: Shandler Greyfeathre
MKA: Aaron Pavao
NET: pavao@cae.wisc.edu
"War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!  War!"


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From: brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
Subject: Re: Filk vs. Recreation (was Re: out-of-period dancing)
Organization: Brown University Mathematics Department
	<mjc.721377102@NL.CS.CMU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:11:12 GMT

Ellisif writeth:

   Ok, just what conclusions are we drawing about first edition Playford?
   There is no question that they are late; if they're considered period for
   this discussion then there *are* longways-for-as-many-as-will dances, in
   significant quantities even.  I could believe that they are a more recent 
   development than the Playford dances for set numbers of couples, but I'd 
   *really* like to see some supporting evidence from one of the proponents 
   of this argument before simply accepting that assertion as fact.

Well, I got the idea from Justin.  Justin, could you explain?

(In fact, Carolingia hasn't been teaching any longways for as many couples
as will for some years now, except occasionally Hole in the Wall, and I'd
never actually heard of any of the ones Ellisif listed.  I've *got* to get
my own copy of Playford and check this stuff out for myself....)

			---Simon

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From: tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Subject: Re: "period" wristwatches
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:39:04 GMT

In article <BxCxqq.2L4@agora.rain.com> trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks) writes:
>
>
>The comment that colas are less obtrusive than wristwatches brought up a project
>I've been considering...making a good, period-looking bracelet that hides a
>wristwatch. I have one of those silly plastic bangle ones, and it's less
>obtrusive than my waterproof sports watch, but still looks pretty tacky. To
>make matter more complicated, I'm allergic to the base metal used in
>jewelry, and to gold...
>

Ivory? (Or, obviously, a good fake)
Leather Bracer, with a snap flap covering the offending item?
Long, Close-Fitting Sleeves? (Some cotehardies had sleeves that came to
the middle of the hand, just above the thumb.)
Keep your watch in a pouch (I do this)
Ignore the time
Keep track of time by the sun, your body's clock, and the actions of
other people (During the summer and winter I can tell time to within
about an hour by looking at the sun, during fall and spring it takes me
a few weeks to adjust)
Build a watch into a medallion, locket or other piece of jewelry, with a
cover to keep it hidden.

Good luck,

Lothar \|/
        0

>Any suggestions? (Keep in mind I have little mundane funds...)
>
>Moreach
>trifid@agora.rain.com
From: del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: To the good citizens of LOCHAC 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 13:35:12 GMT
Organization: 


In article <1992Nov2.235925.10478@csus.edu> kim@babbage.csus.edu writes:

  >  To the good citizens of Lochac. As you probably all ready know, their
  > Majesties Rolf and Mari on their way to your fair principality to hopefully
  > clear up many on the problems that have occured lately. I hope that those of 
  > you who are lucky even to meet them, will find their Majesties as kind and
  > friendly as I have. 

And, considering that their first stop is Stormhold, I hope that they
arrive back in the good ol' you-were-say with out lots of arrow holes
in them (3/4" rubber-stoppered ones, of course)  :) :) :)

But seriously, Decion has been keeping us all informed as to the progress
of their visit (there is a sca-lochac mailing list), and things appear
to be progressing smoothly.  This isn't to say that there won't be a
kingdom petition soon, anyway, but it will be an orderly, friendly
separation, not a revolt.  It appears that the major thing to come out
of this whole affair is that we are different groups -- why should the
West Kingdom have one set of laws for us and another set for the rest
of the Kingdom, when we probably should be a kingdom with our own laws
anyway.

Del
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D Elson                            |  del@DIALix.oz.au del@adied.oz.au
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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: You Know You're In The SCA......
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:28:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Kyalynne Hawkesborough writes:
> 	...when you call the board meeting to order by shouting:
> 	"MY LORDS AND LADIES - PRAY ATTEND!"....  :)

I recently had the opposite problem.  At a church social, the priest
(who has attended an SCA event) asked me to make an announcement
about a couple of cars that were blocking the exit in the church 
parking lot.  I stood silent for nearly a minute because I had no idea
how to start this kind of announcement mundanely.  My lady finally
whispered, "Try 'Your attention please'".  ;)
                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
Pirates of the Carribean Event - Dec 12 - Rhydderich Hael - Write for details.
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Specific-period events
Keywords: 12c, Tudor, Hogmanay
Date: 3 Nov 92 20:43:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bx5qwG.KA0
Organization: Open Communications Forum



For that last two years, our shire has been dabbling with a specific-period
event, set in Toulouse in the late 12c. We have re-made the tourney rules to
suit (as best we can, there is some lack of documentation for this era) and
had a feast with period-only food, and requested attendees dress either in
authentic garb, or at least simple enough garb as to be non-jarring, and that
non-period camps be in the woods (which are all around the field). It has been
fairly well-received, the main problems being that it is rather expensive as
events go because of the setting we rent (beautiful) and An Tir is in an area
that has been economically depressed for many years, so some have had to
forego the feast, and others have not come. We did manage not to lose any money
on it, and it is a lovely event, very well liked by those who've come. 

We have made sure, by insisting on letters-of-intent, that fighters know the
rules well in advance, and our autocrat for this event (Lady Elaine de Montgris)
has sent out at least two small explanatory brochures per event, to each
household that has pre-paid. (Pre-payment is a pre-requisite for the feast, due
to the odd ingredients needed.) Our marshals have then also huddled with the
fighters before the tourney to be doubley sure they understand the rules, and
any fighter can refuse any aspect of the tourney s/he feels unsure in doing.

The only real caveat I would give groups attempting this sort of event is to
avoid the one serious problem that has plagued the event. Because it was being
done for a particular noble (Master Corwyn Arrianad <sp>) it was arranged for
an era of his personal taste. This has proved to reduce the populace' 
participation, as most of them are Ren or Tudor. If you decide to do something
that requires a lot of people, I would suggest you look around you at the next
event you can expect to see a lot of your own people. See what they wear, and
if you don't know many of them, get an oldtimer to introduce you before you
decide on a time-frame, rather than the other way round.

Currently I am hoping to get together with the shire cooks and see if we can
try smaller recreations at shire revels. I am hoping to shoot for Hogmanay.
Anybody have good refs on Hogmanay in period? I am looking for Outer Hebrides
and late general era, since the celebration in that area was an odd mixture of
pagan and Christian influences, and I think I can come up with something of
interest for everybody in the shire, with few exceptions.

Moreach NicMhaolain
Shire Kook, Dragon's Mist, An Tir
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Bruised Female Fighters (was Re: You know you're in the SCA....)
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:01:09 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Alastair The Eastern Traveller writes:
>>   ..when you show up to work with the most interesting bruises...
> This brings to mind what happened to one of the ladies in our barony(who is a
> fighter) Mundanely she works in a day care centre. Her colleagues know what
> she does,but not a supervisor apparently,who took 1 look at her bruises one
> day,and called on of the other staff into the office to ask if the ladies
> husband beat her or something ? The correct answer was given as her lord is
> also a fighter.Said supervisor apparently couldn't believe their lack of
> concern. After having their fun though the supervisor was let in on the joke.

This can get a touch more serious around here.  New York State has a 'mandatory
arrest' policy on spouse abuse.  The wife does not have to press charges, the
police can arrest the husband "for the safety of the public" if it _appears_ 
that the wife has been beaten.  Given the above situation, our female fighters
wouldn't joke about it.  They would _quickly_ answer that they got the bruise
in 'martial arts practice'.
                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
Pirates of the Carribean Event - Dec 12 - Rhydderich Hael - Write for details.
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From: howland@nsipo.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Interkingdom Calibration
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:25:32 GMT

In article <seyOQqG00WB=Qst=sG@andrew.cmu.edu>, David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Greetings good gentles,
|> 
|> Prince Brian's comments that Meridies was considered to be one of the
|> lightest hitting kingdoms made me wonder...  Is there any sort of
|> ranking, subjective or objective, of the average level of calibration
|> in the Known World's various kingdoms and principalities?

Objective: Calibration is high in Crown Tournaments.

Subjective: Likely true that internal variations are
greater than inter-kingdom. Seems to be a direct relation
to how much armor is worn.... "Carpet or Stainless?"

Chris
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Peasant dancing & videos
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 00:53:04

 LDH> Is it possible to extrapolate backwards from later peasant dances?
 LDH> What is the earliest peasant or country dances that we have?  Any
 LDH> paintings or engravings?  Do we have no idea what the peasants were
 LDH> up to? (with respect to dancing).
 We're not real big on extrapolating.  As it is, those of us (in the 
 SCA) who are interested in dance pretty well have quite a bit with the 
 stuff we've got on the nobility that hasn't been worked over yet.  
    Paintings?  If those told us much useful info, we'd have some real 
 medieval dances.  Actually, I've got one book that uses the extrap.- 
 from-a-painting method.  I don't recall the exact name, _Historical_ 
 Dances_ or some such, but the author is Melusine Wood.  She's got a 
 dance listed as medieval because it looks like the portrayals in the 
 few pictures we've got of dancing.  Paintings are best for giving 
 clues about what type of dance isn't period.
     Earliest "folk" dance info...... I haven't really studied that one. 
 Just a hunch -- I'd bet it's like the folk songs.  That is, nobody 
 cared until about 1850 or so, when somebody said "Hey, this stuff is 
 starting to vanish!  I, a noble dilettante, shall record this."  Or 
 other non-country-folk types got interested.
....
 LDH> a great service to the Society if one of the marvelous
 LDH> Dance teachers and a group of good dancers would provide
 LDH> a video, with a companion instruction manual and audio
 LDH> tape.  This might be a great way to distribute dances to
 LDH> groups not lucky enough to have a local expert.  Sheet 
 LDH> music would also be a nice accompaniment to the package.
 This does sound like a noble project.  I'm trying to remember if any 
 one here owns a video camera, though...... 
    Do I correctly deduce from your sig. that you're from Georgia?  If so, are you inquiring because you don't see much dance or why?  Just curious  In Ansteorra, we've got a quasi-annual Dance Workshop weekend.  Or,  truly out-in-the-boonies-can't-travel groups might split expenses to 
 bring in a dance teacher.
       Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
          Steppes, Ansteorra

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: when is period
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:10:28
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
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In-reply-to: TALLAN@flis.utoronto.ca's message of 5 Nov 92 11:59:08 GMT

William here.

David Tallan asks:

>I thought the official limit was now 1600. Was I wrong?

No, you are absolutely right. Just once, many years ago, a single
person with authority in the SCA mistakenly wrote that the cutoff
year was 1650. This misconception has since then been perpetuated
by all those who *want* it to be that late, and many of them are
still spreading this misinformation, though they know that it is
not true. Be prepared to hear this error many times, and do us all
a favor by correcting it firmly every time! The cutoff is 1600.

William de Corbie
From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Interkingdom Calibration
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:45:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
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In a previous article, Master Bertram wrote:

>Prince Brian's comments that Meridies was considered to be one of the
>lightest hitting kingdoms made me wonder...  Is there any sort of
>ranking, subjective or objective, of the average level of calibration
>in the Known World's various kingdoms and principalities?

In fact, there's been a rather extensive scientific study on-going,
conducted by Lord Pieter Van Doren, currently the seneschal of the
Barony of Rivenstar, Midrealm.  He's published the results that he's
gathered so far, and they've been presented at a number of Royal
Univeristy sessions, as well as (I believe) the last couple of Pennsic.
He does have copies of his findings available, for a small fee.

Pieter is an occasional visitor on the Rialto; the last Email address I
have for him is "ap104@cleveland.freenet.edu".

Mikjal Annarbjorn
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com (Bill Sommerfeld)
Subject: Re: You Know You're In The SCA......
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:46:19 GMT
	<1992Nov5.095653.20080@news.arc.nasa.gov>
	<Bx95Aq.95J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	<1992Nov6.144023.1911@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
Organization: Hewlett Packard

... when you notice when a college theater production uses the
costumes which fit the actors rather than the ones which fit the time
period..

					- Bill

[The show in question was a production of G&S's Ruddigore, which
includes a chorus of ghosts .. a line of "bad baronets" .. nominally
running from mid 17th to mid 19th century.  The baronets seemed to
mostly be dressed with stuff between 14th and 16th century, presumably
raided from the closets of the shakespeare ensemble, with the
nominally "earliest" baronet in what looked like late 17th-early 18th
century stuff, and the "latest" in late 15th century]
From: HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Maximilian armor? (was - Re: Visible inauthenticity of archary)
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:50:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92311.105000HZS
Organization: Penn State University

I started to send a personal reply to rpowels, but decided that I might as well
throw the question out to the Rialto in general.

In article <9211051638.AA14417@client.its.rpi.edu>, rpowels says:

>       As a student I find it very difficult to muster enough money to
>supply my habbit of armor building and the haphazard conglomeration of
>metal, plastic and leather that I wear must embaras those fighters who
>dress in hand polished suits of reconstructed maximilian field plate.

This is a complete aside to your posting (which I hope you haven't been flamed
too severly for), but was the comment about Maximilian plate a made up
example, or do you actually know anyone who makes or wears this stuff? I've
been dreaming of fighting in 3/4 Maximilian for years now, and would love to
know of an armorer who can do it justice (without my having to sell the car
to afford it!)

                                           Therion, no longer a poor student
                                           (just a semi-poor librarian with a
                                            warped sense of priorities)

p.s. I'm looking for either armorer's addresses or anyone who wears Max and
     would be willing to copy their patterns for me ... If I can't find someone
     to make it in *light* steel, I'll try to do it myself out of.. um, er,
     "whalebone".
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: D&D (was - Re: You know you're in the SCA....)
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:24:30 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In some random article, Roisin asks:

>        Why is D&D banned from being played on military bases? Is this only
>true in the U.K. or is it true in the U.S. too? How ridiculous.
                                 Roisin

I have no idea about what the laws on military bases are, but I can say this:

   Roleplaying in general and D&D in specific can lead to "harder" thrills.

                         Like joining the SCA.    #-]

                                                    Therion

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