HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap vs. Hip Hop
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:06:33 GMT
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Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: madpit@athena.mit.edu's message of 15 Apr 92 23:14:32 GMT

You're all wrong.  So now.

Rap is a subset of HipHop.  Why?  Because HipHop is a culture.  Rap is
not.  It is, rather, an instrument of that culture.

Now, what we would like to do is separate the bad-whicker-chair-whack
lame-ass shit from the dope jams.  So what we do is say that the dope
shit is hiphop and the weak stuff is Hammer-like.  This is okay,
because rap is supposed to be a part of the hiphop culture and it is
not enough to ralk over a beat to be a part of the culture.

So, the old-school stuff is hiphop even if it isn't rap (because it
started the culture).

Howzat?
--
Peace.
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                   Forum, March 1990
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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Nice & Smooth
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:28:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr9.053753.3859@Princeton.EDU> gvbattle@tonothing.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.025559.28541@acsu.buffalo.edu> simon@acsu.buffalo.edu  
>(Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>> 	I think you mean Poor Righteous Teachers - their DJ came out and tried
>> to play a DAT. Didn't work, and they made a big deal about it. Easy Star!
>
>What's wrong with using a DAT?  I use then all the time for every one of my
	[ argument of using DAT deleted ]
>
>G-BAttle

	I never dissed DAT! When I said it didn't work, I meant there was a
hook-up problem - so the DJ kept yelling over the mike for the stage crew to
fix it. I could understand how annoyed he was - imagine how you would feel if
you mixed a really dope tape, then the sound goes, and you have to keep 
replaying it! That's what happened - after a while the crowd got tired of 
hearing it.
	I can understand how important DAT is - the mixes coming off these
days require too much work for a live show. 

>
>Of course, I'm not implying that they rap over their own lyrics.  Anti-props
>to EPMD and PE for doing this to me up at University of Toronto.


	Which is why rappers are always yelling over the mike "turn it up"! 
Then their vocals get distorted (especially on weak sound systems). When PE
was here (with EPMD), it was very obvious. As I remember, Chuck D and Flav
almost pulled it off - they were able to keep the beat. As for EPMD, I 
think it boosted their stage show - sorta like an echo/reverb effect. 

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Top Ten
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:34:44 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <1992Apr15.032240.29447@unx.ucc.okstate.edu> u0508aa@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Jeffrey Fields) writes:
>I'm interested to hear what everyone's top ten rap records are.

    Well, here are three GREAT for TODAY:

      1. Beasties Boys               Check Your Head
      2. Basehead                    Play with Toys
      3. DHOH                        Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury


     The Beasties Boys' new one is AAAAAMAAAAAAZZZING!!!!

    See my next post for more...                        K!z!K
From: fedde@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: WHITE MEN CAN'T RAP
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:47:23 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden

cleo@cheshire.oxy.edu (Cleopatra) writes:

>You know Fedde,I would have e-mailed you,but you know what...? I don't like you
>so I'm just going to post this to get on your nerves...
>Anyway,if you're so tired of seeing things that have nothing to do with rap,then
>why did you post a follow-up? This was posted last week.....it seems to me that
>you're enjoying this and will do anything in your power to keep it up..if you
>really wanted this to end you wouldn't have posted a reply a week later don't   you think? Or do you at all? Think,that is? Of course not,that's why you're 
>going to stay up all night or no,do you like you did last time and take all weekto think of a good response..now that I've disobeyed your wishes lets see you
>"jump all over what I have to say" mr.I.can't.get.laid.so.I.take.my.sexual.
>frustrations.out.on.everyone.else...

*laugh* I seem to have hit a painful spot on this little girl :) Look at her
screaming for mom... Opps..is that a tear? Oh..have I been nasty?
There are some reasons of why I didn't answer, and it seems I do have to
explain them.
1) Nnmaster had a bug that didn't allow it to read news for me in over 83 
   hours. That is why I didn't answer you fast enough.
2) Compared to you, I do have a life outside this and I don't sit here all the
   time to answer little girls like you. You seem to be here all time.

Now, what does sex have to do with this? Your brain wasn't able to find 
something better to say? Weak Cleo..weak...Your problems do not need to be
mine. Btw..you just joined Martha in my kill file, so if I don't answer more of
your crap, it's because I won't be able to see it. That adds one more reason
to the 2 above.
Now go and change your Barbie-dolls clothes and tell mom Fedde was nasty.
Maybe it helps...
Another thing...people don't misspell my name to often. But what could we have
expected from you? :)

Fedde
From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Gangksta N.I.P.
Keywords: Geto Boys new stuff (I think)
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:12:43 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

atb@mambo.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley) writes:


>-----------------------

>Anyone heard of the *Gangksta N.I.P.?* His album has been out for about a month
>here in Ann Arbor, and I heard the Geto Boys produced him. There's also a group
>out calling themselves 'Poison N Effect,' I think, that's also produced by the
>Geto Boys. 

Well there is also 'the Terrorists' pretty new also produced by
Geto Boys, seems like they are in need of some $$$.          :-)

Forgive me,
/Fredrik

>Adrian Bradley         |    College: The University of Michigan

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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Nice & Smooth
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:55:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr6.204358.3927@acsu.buffalo.edu> v081jwnc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (William E Neuburger) writes:
>
>I saw them when they were here live at my school (University of Cold, I 
>mean University of Buffalo) a few months back, and I was not very impressed
>with them, expicially the DJ who just played a tape.  I have not heard any
>of their records though.  Hope this helps in your decision.  Personally
>I would not spend a cent on them.  (the only reason I saw them is they were
>Black Sheep and Ed OG and Da Bulldogs, and Poor Rightous Teachers.)
>
>Adios,
>William

	I think you mean Poor Righteous Teachers - their DJ came out and tried
to play a DAT. Didn't work, and they made a big deal about it. Easy Star!
Nice N' Smooth's show was crazee dope, especially for the crew from the bronx 
and the rest of the city (New York, that is). It was the most un-choreographed
show I ever saw! However, their show came off! Billie Jean was probably the
best next single (after Sometimes I Rhyme Quick, Hip Hop Junkies and How To 
Flow) off the new album. 
	By the way, Black Sheep played a tape too. Personally, I don't mind,
but the other live parts of the show better be dope! Plus, a remixed tape
helps.







-- 
Patrice Simon
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From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: WHITE MEN...// DJ PHYZ FOR PRES.
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:03:23 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article  <Udr6DSS00WBN01I3Jk@andrew.cmu.edu> DCAL(Dean Calloway):

>1. What do you think of all the white people who subscribe to this board
>and imitate what they feel is "black talk," having never grown up in
>anyone's hood? (You all seem to hate V.Ice... why don't you resent these
>seem clowns who make a parody of the black experience... "cartoonizing"
>us through what they see and hear on TV and the radio (and not all white
>people, just those in this group who do this... I happen to know that
>there are several) Sounds like a version of blackface to me, and if any
>of you were on the ball, you would recognize this and understand how
>offensive the history of blackface is).

Not feeling like I belong to those who parodises the black experience I still
want to express my opinion on this matter. Flicking through my record collection
it occurs to me that 95% of them are made by artists as black as the vinyl.
Therefore I have, over the years, received a substantial amount of what is 
called street talk, slang, jive or black talk. I'm not the first to think this
kind of talk sound cool. 30 years ago some white tried to be hip with the black
jazz musicians and now I try to be down with the black artists. Not that I walk
around talking like Flavor Flav(It's impossible to translate this kind of
talk into swedish, "I'm down wid my posse at da crib" would take on a whole
different meaning) but it influences my english. And after reading through a
weeks load of postings I'm really affected. It's easy to think that one should
write in "black talk" on this newsgroup because so many of you do it. There was
a guy from my school who got flamed really badly(Something along the line"How 
white middleclass can you get?") and of course I want to stay cool and not put
my head into fire(even though I've just done it). Sorry but I gotta go. Hope my
incomprehensive blabbering made some sense. My main point is that I am not 
trying to perform some sort of blackface routine when I do "black talk" and I 
don't think anybody in this group are doing it that either. It' s just that this
is the way the cool black rappers sound like and of course I want to be like them.
                                        -Palle Zetterstrand
 "Writers treat me like Coltrane,insane"
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: gvbattle@window.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle)
Subject: Re: Body Count
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:28:13 GMT

In article <BMp+Gz_@engin.umich.edu> jfine@engin.umich.edu (Sinister Stairs)  
writes:
>     I've given the entire CD a listen, and this is my personal opinion.  I
> believe this album will most likely appeal to:  a) People looking for
> interesting cross-over material.  b) Fans of both rap and metal.  c) *Very*
> hardcore Ice-T fans.  c) Metal posers who want other people to think they are
> bad-ass, hardcore players (frontin').

OOOOUUUUUUUCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!
This album sucked, sucks, and will suck for a long-time.   Ice T is NOT a  
metal/grundge/acoutic instrument  producer.  The recording is TERRIBLE : no  
bass, no dynamics (especially on the drums.....YUCK!).   And even IF it were  
recorded correctly, the songs suck much penis.  The composition is sub-standard  
for the genre, and the lack of talent/experience is glaringly apparent.  I  
don't care who you are, if you're gonna be a metal band and can't write good  
songs, at LEAST be loud and obnoxious.  Needless to say, they lose on both  
counts.

G-BAttle

PS : Excuse my flame on Ice T.  I've been a profesional guitarist for a while  
now, and can't stand to see wasted record contracts on LAME ASS SHIT such as  
Body Count.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 17:15:29 EDT
From: <BJG116@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: ice cube, streek knowledge prod, etc.

re: that streek knowledge should be STREET if you hadn't already figured it out
i was wondering if anyone has tried to get the 'free ice cube merchandise
catalog'  i did, and like 2 months later got a photocopied  letter  that   basi
cally said:  yo amerikka's most   wanted, we need you to break us off some
funds in the amount of $5  for shipping and handling so we can get you your
'free' catalog asap.  did anyone else  give this a shot?  i did, 'breaking
off some funds' and i got ANOTHER of the same photocopied letter.....
that sucks, to put it mildly.  i wrote another letter, to see what's up, but
not reply so far......just wondering if anyone else has had any luck....
From: Blair.V.Burns@dartmouth.edu (Blair V. Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: That Misogyny Shit
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:45:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


  Yo Malcolm,
         Clean up your speech and get right with your attitude towards
women.  Sisters deserve to be angry and they have a right to express
their opinions about a fucked up sexist society just as we blacks have
of this racist society....suck it up and move on...and I bet your
soon-to be wife will see the difference....peace out!
                      Blair Burns, Dartmouth College, class of 92.
                          Bronx New York...Home of Rap.
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin)
Subject: Re: Doug E Fresh song!
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 09:10:29 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <odv=zc200WB7IAfL4q@andrew.cmu.edu> gd16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Garth A. Daley) writes:
>The name of the song is "The Show". However, I have no idea what the name of
>the album was. If memory serves correct, it came out in '83 or '84 back when
>I was chillin' on the rock.

"The Show/La Di Da Di" came out in 1985 (I'm *almost* sure, but I don't have
it in front of me) on Reality Records.  The album was "Oh, My God!" and came
out in 1986 on Danya records. The album contains a remix of "The Show", not
as good as the original (In My Correct Opinion), and the album is probably
more difficult to find than the 12-inch.  Other tracks of note were "All the
Way to Heaven" and "The Cyclone (Lovin' Every Minute of It)", and a short,
cool track from each of the DJs (Chill Will and Barry Bee).  I saw these guys
in concert in 1988, and Barry Bee is the best live DJ I've seen.  Seriously,
on stage this guy was better than Jazzy Jeff (great intro, didn't do much
after that), Terminator X (has anyone else seen the record skip on him?),
Jam-Master Jay, Eric B., Bobcat, etc.  The only jock who was better was
Davy D, who mixed for a before Run-DMC/Beastie Boys in '87 (not really a
performance).  Then again, I haven't been to a show since '88 (it's *safe*
now, and I hear they even put folding chairs on the main floor!), probably
won't, either.

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From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Fedde
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:13:56 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden

david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Fedde, I understand that you want this flame war to end and you want us all
>to sart talking about rap again, but six posts????  My man, it would have
>been so much easier to just do it in one.  We didn't need to waste all this
>bandwidth in the first place.

Hmmmmmmmm....I agree. When I am tired, I am of the type that shoots first and
asks questions later....  my misstake :)

>*****RELEASE DATES*****

<Stuff deleted>

Thanks for posting the release dates...I had been looking for these...
Later...

Fedde
From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: That culture thing there
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:28:16 GMT

Hey Charles, I'm glad someone did this.  I'm too drained to debunk Bush-Quayle,
let alone a half-hour expose on hip-hop/mainstream culture.  One thing tho, I
was followin' you until you started talking about "folx".  Whatzat double H?  I
wish you people would write in a language that we could all unnestand.........


==DJ Phyz		"Say hello to my little friend..." 
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: biogirl@athena.mit.edu (L'enfant du Matin)
Subject: Re: Black Sheep, April 23
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:25:47 GMT


BLACK SHEEP IS NOT COMING TO MIT!!!! I REPEAT BLACK SHEEP IS NOT COMING TO MIT.
The SCC tried to get them but they wanted some crazy sum of money for 20 minutes
of music and MIT refused to pay.



Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: c7s-di@danube.Berkeley.EDU (John Lin)
Subject: Black Sheep Lyrics
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:31:02 GMT

I have Black Sheep lyrics for "The Choice is Yours."
Editing may be needed.
Write to me.
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Arrested Developement
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <balbondj.703175742@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Stone Cold Gentleman) writes...
> 
>      I liked to give props to the first person on this net to 
>      bring Arrested Confusion to my attention.
> 
>      Tennese is dope and I can't wait for the rest of the album to 
>      come out.
> 


	I dont understand what that first sentence even means!  It doesnt
make sense to me.  But...Arrested Development's album has been out for
many weeks now.  And its been discussed on this .net.  Doesnt everyone
read all the posts?  

	You know this is probably something ABOVE ME.  Cuz I am just 
dumbfounded...

							aMIL
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: gvbattle@tome.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle)
Subject: Re: WHITE MEN...(was //DJ PHYZ FOR PRES.)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.120323.2361@etek.chalmers.se> superfly@etek.chalmers.se  
(Palle Zetterstrand) writes:
> In article  <Udr6DSS00WBN01I3Jk@andrew.cmu.edu> DCAL(Dean Calloway):
> 
> >1. What do you think of all the white people who subscribe to this board
> >and imitate what they feel is "black talk," having never grown up in
> >anyone's hood? (You all seem to hate V.Ice... why don't you resent these
> >seem clowns who make a parody of the black experience... "cartoonizing"
> >us through what they see and hear on TV and the radio (and not all white
> >people, just those in this group who do this... I happen to know that
> >there are several)
> > DCAL

>It' s just that this is the way the cool black rappers sound 
>like and of course I want to be like them.
>                                         -Palle Zetterstrand

Although Palle's comment is disturbingly humorous, especially when you take
into account DCAL's post, I have to ask both of you a question.  What do you
think of say Kathleen Battle <a black opera singer of no relation to me, I  
think> or any other black performer that excels in a white artform.  Are these  
blacks "cartoonizing" white culture by excelling in a white craft, or are they  
just doing what "cool white opera singers" do/sound-like/act-like?  Or how  
about Paul Simon and the whole Graceland thing <don't get me started on this  
:)>?  

Personally, I feel that that cultural property, when made public, can be 
appropriated by anyone who cares to embrace it.  Mimicing what one's "heroes"  
is not a bad thing at all, when done in respect for those "heroes." The problem  
is drawing the line between respect and insult withing the use of alternate  
cultural property.

G-BAttle
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin)
Subject: Re: Speaking of historic (was Re: Doug E Fresh song!)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 08:48:57 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <ISBELL.92Apr15143518@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>Who did "Drag Rap"?  Who, who, who?  And when?  And can I get it?  I
>usd to love that track, but I can't remember who did it....

"Drag Rap" was by the Showboys, Profile Records 1986.  If you can't find
the 12-inch, grab Mr. Magic's Rap Attack Vol. 2.

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From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Help//Song..really.  I'm serious!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:07:21 GMT

OK, since we don't have to worry about gettin' dissed too hard for sleepin' on
a jam, does anyone know a song that has the chorus "...Southside, from the
southside, Southside, from the south...".  I heard this on  Xavier U's
rebroadcast this Fri. and I thought it was dope.  Also heard "Tennessee" from
Arrested Development (liked it), "Nitty Gritty" remie (shoulda left it alone),
and "Pass the Mic" from the BB'z, (it's kinda "old school" with the "yes
y'alls" and "ya don' stops", but the produxn. rivals "Paul's Boutique">> Car
Thief).  Also peeped Gang Starr's "Take It Personal" (I hope this is new).  The
song (as usual) was mellow and DJ Premiere dropp'd sheet, but the Guru comes
off too blunt to stunt, leaving me rather limp.  Maybe a remix and a cold
shower could wake up Keithy E.  Has anyone heard of some guy called Ronnie Ron? 
He dropped a cut called "Steady Hummin'" or something like that.  I believe
he's out of Cincinnati.  It samples Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" breathing and
Flavor Flav singing "...Oh please oh please oh please, just give me one more
hit..."  Kinda la schmoove for the Natti, no?  Peace to the East, I'm out like a
scout on a new route...


==DJ Phyz