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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: Abbreviation for air
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:59:39 GMT

djablon@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J. Jablonski) writes:

>In article <knauer.722420119@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> knauer@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
>>In <1en8tbINNdo5@bigboote.WPI.EDU> babu@wpi.WPI.EDU (Babu Gopalakrishnan) writes:

>>VP   

>VASP (I don't know what this is, I just checked the OAG...

VASP is from Venezuela.

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: American, Northwest, USAir rumours
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:08:04
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: soloflex.aero.org

The last few days headline news, USA Today, WSJ, etc. have been pretty
ripe with information and rumours about cutbacks at several airlines:

* Northwest is laying off something like 1000 workers, about half 
  management and half union.   They are currently operating out of
  "emergency cash reserves" and are also considering selling all
  operations at Chicago O'Hare (not really a hub for Northwest at ~30
  flights/day).  This would be an effort to keep cash flow more stable
  until they can "complete their merger with KLM."

* American is laying off 1000 management workers, and looking for other
  ways to cut costs given their dismal losses over the past few quarters.
  Crandall is said he's considering getting rid of a hub (probably either
  San Jose, Nashville, or Charlotte) and an airline spokesperson said they
  could save further by serving cold food on selected short flights.

* USAir is also rumoured to be considering dumping a hub.

Folks, the bloodbath is starting.

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From: bloom@ece.ucdavis.edu (Jeffrey A Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: N.W. Fly Write Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:48:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Originator: bloom@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu


I have a question regarding North West Fly Write Coupons.

I was recently _given_ two round trip fly write coupons.
I called Northwest and made reservations.  I told them I
am using Fly Write tickets and they gave me an authorization
number.  The coupons are properly signed by the original
recipient.  Now, I am told to bring these coupons to the 
NW ticket counter AT TIME OF CHECK IN and the agent will 
give me real tickets.  I've never done this before and
I am nervous about waiting until departure time to find out
that these tickets are no good.

I guess rather than a question, I am looking for some
World Perks member to set my mind at ease.  Is this how
it is supposed to work?  Can I rest assured that the
ticket is good since I have an authorization number?
I've no reason to believe that the tickets are not good.

Thanks.

- Jeffrey

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Jeffrey A Bloom				bloom@CIPIC.ucdavis.edu
Computer Vision Research Laboratory
Center for Image Processing and Integrated Computing
University of California, Davis
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Subject: ticket 4sale 6 Dec Norfolk-Newark-Cleveland
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:36 EDT  

I have the second half of a round trip ticket on continental airlines
the scedule is 

1030am leave Norfolk Virginia
1154 am arrive NYC Newark 
1236 leave NYC Newark 
210pm arrive Cleveland Hopkins airport Ohio

The ticket is in my name and is labeled as nonrefundable/fee changes
The ticket was purchased with an Amex student voucher

If anyone is interested send email.  I am open to an exchange for coupons
or whatever.  I have no plans on using the ticket so make an offer.

Greg Smith



Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)
Subject: Re: Canadaians choosing US Airlines?
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:56:05 GMT

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>In article <XF55TB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca> adf@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (andrew farmer) writes:

>>ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:

>>| So, this question is auimed at Canadaians.  When you are choosing airlines
>>| deoes nationality come into question ever?  What percentage of Canadaians
>>| fly on US Airlines.  For example, lets say that a Canadaian wants to fly from
>>| Toronto to Chicago. They coiuld fly AA, AC, or UA.  Would a Canadaian fly AC
>>| because it is AC?  If it was cheaper to fly from Montreal to Vancouver via
>>| Chicago on United, would someone do it?
>>
>>I think most people, myself included, make carrier selections based on
>>three basic items: cost, past expierience and reputation.

>Since I find them all priced competitively, I'd say there are even more
>factors to consider;

>- Which terminal/airport? Going out of Toronto, I much prefer terminal 3
>  (Canadian, American) over terminal 2 (Air Canada), and both are phenominally
>  better than Terminal 1 (United, Northwest, USAir, Delta). For
>  connecting to other US destinations, I like United's facilities at
>  O'Hare better than American's or the others, but I prefer to avoid
>  Chicago if I can. Not all of the airlines flying to New York use the
>  same airports.

I don't mind Terminal 2 so much, although I haven't been through Terminal 3
yet.  The worst thing at Pearson is to have to switch terminals!

>- Frequent flyer programs. Since none of the Canadian air services
>  collaborate on FF programs with major US airlines, I'd prefer to stay on
>  the airline on which I do the most flying to build up points (all else
>  equal). So, if that means taking Canadian Airlines to go Toronto to
>  San Francisco via Vancouver rather than American or United on a
>  more-direct route through Chicago, I may consider that.
>-- 
Air Canada has announced a deal with United that lets you redeem your 
Aeroplan miles on United flights.  The latest Aeroplan brochure goes into a
bit more detail, saying that both airlines calculate "miles" the same way,
and have similar redemption levels.

I have had better experience on the Canadian airlines, but if it comes down
to spending my own money on a flight, I place the highest importance on the
COST.  Then experience, FF plans, terminals/airports, etc.  If the flight is
being paid for by my company, I'd probably choose a Canadian airline if I
had the choice.  Wardair was impossibly wonderful to fly on, even in economy,
so it was sad to see it go.  However, Canadian Airlines has seemed to learn a
thing or two from their buyout of Wardair, so that's something, at least.

Bart, Edmonton AB
bart@splunge.uucp
> Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
>         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
>         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: msriram@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Madurai G Sriram)
Subject: Re: TWA Status
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.204445.2142@opencon.com> giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani) writes:
>
>	I don't Know OF ANY one who got stranded by PAN-AM or by
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>DELTA, I think MR. BABU is getting confused with other American
>Airline (Eastern and there was another one also).
>


This is completely false. I personally know two people who got screwed
by Pan Am on tickets to Brasil.  United, the airline which took over
Pan Am's south american routes refused to honor their paid tickets.
They lost more than $1500.00 apiece and are now one of the long list
of Pan Am's creditors lined up in bankruptcy court.

On those particular routes many people were left stranded by Pan Am.

Sriram

Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:5656 rec.travel.marketplace:69
From: glickman@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Glickman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel.marketplace
Subject: For TRADE: Have BOS->SFO Nov 20, want BOS->SFO Nov 26
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:25:00 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I made plans to fly RT between BOS and SFO, but I want to reschedule
my outgoing flight from Nov 20 to Nov 26 (thanksgiving day).

If you are flying out on thanksgiving, and you want to leave
Boston on the preceding Friday night, please contact me soon!!!
The name on the ticket is for a male passenger.

Details:  BOS -> SFO  United flight #93, lv BOS 5:35pm, ar SFO 8:47pm.

I would like an outgoing flight that leaves BOS Nov 26 sometime
in the morning (preferably).

Thanks!

            - Mark Glickman  (glickman@hustat.harvard.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)
Subject: WANTED: Round Trip Denver -> NYC
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:15:23 GMT

I am looking for inexpensive ways to travel between Denver and NYC or
Denver and Boston.  I would especially be interested in flights for
Thanksgiving holidays, but any information on good fairs would greatly
be appreicated between these cities...

					Thanks,
						David
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Help on ticket to India
From: Geert K. Marien <GKMLC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 22:59:09 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

   From what  I am  aware, the agent  does not need  the ticket  back to
"correct".

   First,   a  little   more.    Sometimes  travel   agents  deal   with
"consolidators" who are  basically people who buy large  blocks of space
from  airlines on  selected flights.   They usually  bargain for  a good
price, so they can  still sell the space to an agent at  a low price and
make a profit while the agent can  sell the ticket to you and still make
a good profit.  I don't want to get in to a whole discussion, especially
when it concerns  trips to India because the  practices of consolidators
when it comes to tickets to India is legendary - in fact, let's just say
that people  pay much  more than  they should  because they  control the
price and who can get space.  Enough said.

   So, to continue ...  what happens is that some travel agents actually
tell you that you have a  confirmed reservation, but, that is not always
the case.  Always  check reservations - to anywhere -  with the Airline.
You are  certainly allowed to  do this.  The  agents have to  notify the
airline of  the Ticket number,  though the procedure for  a consolidator
may be different because they have already paid for the space.  [Please,
this is  only a general description,  so don't nit-pick unless  you have
something major to correct.]

   Next, it  is possible  for people  to make mistakes,  so give  them a
break,  but they  can re-issue  a ticket  without the  old ones.   It is
standard practice to  ask for the old ones back  because tickets have to
be accounted for, and this is just  a way to help avoid fraud.  However,
they can,  of course, just send  you a new (correct)  ticket.  Since you
paid by credit card (also a smart move), you can refuse payment, but, if
I  were you,  I would  find  a (more)  reputable agent  and get  another
reservation or have them take over  the reservation from the first agent
and ticket you.

   That's part of the deal.  Please, also remember, if you always go for
the lowest  price, saving  $10 could  cost you a  lot more  in problems.
ALWAYS go to a reputable agent, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

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From: vida@crsa.bu.edu (Vida Jakabhazy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: WANTED:  BOS --> SEA  December 24th
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:48:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.102090
Organization: Boston University


I'm in need of a ticket from Boston to Seattle leaving on the 24th of
December.  I cannot use most FF tickets due to the blackout dates.
(I already have United FF ticket, but can't use it for that date.)  If
anyone out there has such a 1-way ticket for sale, please contact me.

Vida Jakabhazy
vida@crsa.bu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: TWA Status
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:43:22 GMT

> >
> >But what about frequent flyer miles?
> >
> 
> 
American has a deal for a while to transfer points between AADVANTAGE
and TWA ff programs (either way).  If they haven't rescinded the deal  
maybe you shoud hurry up and join American and transfer your points.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Subject: Re: Preferences: Heathrow (LHR) or Gatwick (LGW)?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:51:07 GMT

Having flown in and out of LHR and LGW, I prefer LHR.  The underground
fare is much lower from LHR into the London than the British Rail fare
from LGW.  LHR Terminal 3 is in good shape and they have a small
Harrods located in Duty Free (and the prices seem to be better than
in Knightsbridge.)  I've also found that UAL has a better check-in
than AA.  (I have to fly US flag carriers, so I can't comment on BA's
operations in Terminal 4.)

Your choice of airports probably depends on several factors such as
where are you going once you arrive at the airport and how will you be
getting there, what is your airline of choice and what US gateway city
you want to use, etc.  For example, if you wanted to go the the west
of England or to Wales, then LHR may make more sense.  If you don't
need to make connections to get to a US gateway city, then you may
choose to go where ever the flights from your US airport will take
you.  (From IAD, my only choice is LHR.)

I must say, however, that LHR Terminals 1 and 2 are pretty small and
nowhere's near as nice as Terminal 3.  (I've been in Terminals 2 and 3
within the last week.)

I almost used Standsted last week, but I couldn't find a direct, let
alone non-stop, to Stuttgart.  (All the flights started with Air UK
with a connection to KLM, Air France, or Sabena.)  So, I ended up
taking Lufthansa from LHR to Stuttgart.

It's my understanding that Luton is used almost exclusively for
charters.

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
McLean, VA   22102
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: TWA Status
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:44:45 GMT

In article <1eclkoINN5uo@bigboote.WPI.EDU> babu@wpi.WPI.EDU (Babu Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>In article khaled@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Khaled El-Sayed) writes:
>>Dear fellow netters,
>>
>{ stuff deleted }
>>
>>What usualy happens when an air-line goes out of business, what happened
>>to passengers who had reservations on PAN-AM when it went out of
>>business? Are there any regulations of IATA which guarantee passenger
>>rights in such cases?
>
>If TWA goes out of business, and some other airline takes over the route
>that you are to travel on, it is possible (but I believe up to the new
>airline) that your TWA ticket will be honoured by the airline that
>takes over.  If no airline buys the route from TWA, then you are basically
>in a fix.  
>
>When Pan Am went bust, many international routes were taken over by
>Delta, and the old Pan Am tickets were honoured.  However all of them
>were not taken over, and so there were a great many passengers stranded.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	(Here we go again BABU, please get your facts straight). 
	I was a PAN-AM frequent flyer program member, all my miles were 
transfered to Delta's.  Secondly, they allowed you to get awards on 
PAN-AM frequent flyer program which DEPENDING on the award are 
valid untill October, 1993 (my father has a PAN-AM award for a Free 
travel to New Delhi, India which he plans on using in 1993, before Oct.
naturally). WARNING this was done by Delta, i.e., to accept PAN-AM
awards or have your miles transfered into their FF program. Remember
that PAN-AM announced the take over of ceartain routes by Delta in
August 1991 and one had until October 1991 to either get the Pan-AM FF
awards issued or have milage transfered into Delta's FF program.
PAN-AM also during that time made UNITED its compainion of the FF
where one could use your PAN-AM miles to get UNITED's FF awards (in
1991) but had to redeem the miles required by UNITED, which were
considerably higher, Just as were the DELTA's.

	I don't Know OF ANY one who got stranded by PAN-AM or by
DELTA, I think MR. BABU is getting confused with other American
Airline (Eastern and there was another one also).

>
>				BABU
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From: aclark@53iss5.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Allen Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
Subject: Travel Brokers
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:42:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

Through helpful replies, I have discovered that Travel Bargains is a
TWA broker and Fly Cheap is a Continental broker.  I am a frequent
flyer on Air Canada and Canadian and would like to collect points on
one of those airlines.  Is there a similar broker for United, Air
Canada, or Canadian?

Thanks again!
allen.clark@waterloo.ncr.com

--
From: babu@weierstrass.WPI.EDU (Babu Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TWA Status
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:41:16 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: weierstrass.wpi.edu

In article scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl) writes:
>In article babu@wpi.WPI.EDU (Babu Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>>
>>If TWA goes out of business, and some other airline takes over the route
>>that you are to travel on, it is possible (but I believe up to the new
>>airline) that your TWA ticket will be honoured by the airline that
>>takes over.  If no airline buys the route from TWA, then you are basically
>>in a fix.  
>>
>
>But what about frequent flyer miles?
>


	Again, its entirely up to the airline which buys the biggest
	part of TWA.  When Delta took over a sizable chunk f Pan Am,
	Frequent flyer miles did transfer.  But Delta was not 
	obligated to do so.  So there's really no telling -- its
	entirely up to luck.

	Babu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:54:53 EST
From: <XXW101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Best Deal to Fly from New York to Shanghai


 Hi, there, I am looking for the best deal to fly from NY to Shanghai, China.

    Could anyone please provide me some information about the most economic

  price for an air ticket from New York to Shanghai. The Departure date is

  on Dec.15, and return on Jan. 12, 93.   Please send me an e-mail.

   Thank you very much in advance!


  Xinli Wu @PennState
From: rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:51:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Abbreviation for air[lines]
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air

OZ = Ozark
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:5729 rec.travel:15727
From: aclark@53iss5.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Allen Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
Subject: Discount Airfares
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:51:59 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

I have recently been talking to Travel Bargains (1-800-872-7224 US
only) and Fly Cheap (1-800-FLY-CHEA(p) CAN and US) trying to find some
low airfares.  Travel Bargains offers Detroit-Tampa for $190 US return
but will not tell you the airline! Fly Cheap offers Buffalo-Tampa for
~$280 USD (can't quite remember) on Continental.

Has anyone dealt with the agencies before.  I'm awfully nervous about
handing my VISA number to strangers over the phone.

Neither of these discounters fly to Toronto, are there any that do?
With the sagging $C I would prefer to purchase from a Cdn agent.  I
dealt with the Last Minute Club in Toronto before and was not too
impressed.

Thanks for the help!  
allen.clark@waterloo.ncr.com

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From: bungee@Apple.COM (Chris Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: airline antitrust
Summary: rip, jip, liars
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:35:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <16NOV199210230243@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith) writes:
>Did anyone ever get their vouchers from the antitrust settlement?

Nope.  Not me.

But the "firm" now has the mailing list from hell; with all the people replying
to their request for info.

I think if we look at the docs real close we might be able to sue for mail
freud (oops, I mean fraud...sorry for the slip).  :^o  Joy.

-chris
 bungee@apple.com

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wei@ifi.unizh.ch (Qing Wei)
Subject: Thanks for Info on Delta Standby Pass
Summary: Standby pass by Delta
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 09:46:28 GMT


Many thanks to those who responded to my earlier posting requesting info
on using domestic "Standby Pass" by Delta Air Lines. Almost all replies
confirmed its easy use. You can call the airline a few days before  or 
before you ride to the airport and ask about which flights are likely 
to have seats available.  In February it should be no problems at all.
Avoid traveling on Fridays and Sundays, which are two busiest days of 
the travel week. So, go for it!

-Qing


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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pad@gtech.com (Patricia A. Damrath)
Subject: Re: N.W. Fly Write Question
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:30:07 GMT

In article <19396@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> bloom@ece.ucdavis.edu (Jeffrey A Bloom) writes:
>
>I have a question regarding North West Fly Write Coupons.
>
>I was recently _given_ two round trip fly write coupons.
>I called Northwest and made reservations.  I told them I
>am using Fly Write tickets and they gave me an authorization
>number.  The coupons are properly signed by the original
>recipient.  Now, I am told to bring these coupons to the 
>NW ticket counter AT TIME OF CHECK IN and the agent will 
>give me real tickets.  I've never done this before and
>I am nervous about waiting until departure time to find out
>that these tickets are no good.

 I used Fly Write a while back to go to California.  I was told
 the same thing at first, but after being persistant (due to concerns
 like yours) I was told I could go 48 hours in advance.  This is
 what I did and there were no problems.

 I suggest calling back and asking if this is possible.  It may
 depend on how full the flight is, since they are stingy with
 "free" boarding passes sometimes when a flight is booked.
>

  Good Luck!

  Patty
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