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From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: North Face Extreme Gore-Tex Anorak and Pants FOR SALE
Date: 22 Nov 1992 03:46:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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I'm selling a North Face Extreme "Outrage" Anorak jacket and
matching bib-type pants. Both the jacket and pants have Gore-Tex.
The combo is a Men's X-Large in Turqoise/Yellow and is the same
suit made famous by Scott Schmidt in the Warren Miller ski movies.

I've worn the suit skiing in snowstorms, knee-deep powder and on one
EXCELLENT day of heli-skiing, and I can say that it's ideal for
keeping you dry in deep-snow conditions. The suit has been worn only
a total of 10 days, and it's in excellent condition. My asking price
for the jacket/pants combo is:

	$175

Please respond by email if you're interested,

Fred
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From: Drew.Moor@f15.n243.z1.fidonet.org (Drew Moor)
Sender: FredMail@p0.f27.n243.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mont Tremblant
Date: 15 Nov 92  11:29:00 est

SP>According to the guys at the Tremblant booth at the ski show,
SP>they are
SP>plnning to open sometime around the 21st of Nov.

SP>Cheers...Stuart

You can find out the exact date by calling toll free:
  
1-800-567-6760.
  
They agreed that they hope to be open the last week of November.
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From: donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Skiing in Montana
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:03:57 GMT


I am looking for information on skiing in Montana.  My
father's new wife is from Montana and my family is going
there for the holidays.  I believe the place we are
going is called Red Lodge.  Does anybody have any information
on the skiing there?  And, how cold does it get???  (I've
been told it won't be worse that Killington on a really
bad day!).

Thanks!
Donna
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From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:21:08 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <BxxA80.LD7@fc.sde.hp.com> bruno@fc.hp.com (Bruno Melli) writes:
>> Great black running back.  Tremendously strong legs.
>
>He was on the US bobsled team during the last winter olympics...
>
>bruno.

That's right!  I'd forgotten that!  I wonder if, in fact, he skis after
all?  If so, I hope I'm never the victim of a ski collision with him.  It
would be akin to having a tree ski into me, rather than the reverse.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
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From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Mt. Tremblant?
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:00:08 GMT

We're thinking of taking a quick trip to Canada in the spring
and skiing at Mt. Tremblant.  Has anyone here
skied there?  What do you think of it?  What's the
weather/snow usually like in March/April? 

We are intermediate skiers.

Any info on good places to stay near the slopes?

thanks,

jan
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From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:21:58 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

>In rec.skiing, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
>
>> Basically, this doesn't make sense.  The owner of a company has every right
>> to make a good and healthy work environment for his/her employees.  If for
>> instance some man is known to be a womanizer, adulterer, etc., etc. (even if
>> he doesn't perform any sexual advances in the workplace), the employer can
>> fire this employee because the conduct is detrimental to the overall work of
>> company.  Thus, the heterosexual cannot bring up a discrimination suit because
>> of that.  

You're comparing apples and oranges.  Sexual harrassment does not equal
sexual preference.  A gay person who continually pinched butts in the copy
room would probably not last long.  Gay persons who perform their jobs well
and with dignity should be rewarded justly.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Getting from Reno to S. Lake Tahoe
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 07:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.215256.6038@u.washington.edu>
bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk) writes:
>BUT, why do you want to go to S. Lake Tahoe without a car for an entire
>week?  That means you will have to ski Heavenly every day.  I can't
>imagine anything more of drag than that!
>Rent a car.  Go to Kirkwood, Alpine Meadows, Squaw, Homewood, Mt. Rose!

These side trips assume good weather and trivial driving (i.e. not
crowded).  Any line at the Tahoe City Y wold blow 1/2 a day of skiing.
A unique thing exists with the cross-lake ferry (not a car ferry).  $$s,
but different.  Driving isn't essential.  Cars aren't essential.
Hitching isn't necessary either.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Tignes conditions 14.11.92
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:58:50 GMT

In article <722375077snx@speedy.demon.co.uk>, speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate) writes:

|> I skied Tignes
|>
|> Conditions varied between 12" power, and hardpack, snowfall and rainfall.
|> There has been a LOT of snow, so conditions look well set for the rest of the
|> season 

On the contrary the high snowfall. wind and subsequent moderate temperatures
resulted in perfect avalanche conditions in the French alpes with at least
9 people being killed in separate _ON PISTE_ avalanches this weekend.

At one resort, Val Tho(rens) 7 students on a day trip from Lyon were killed on
a red piste (I didn't catch the name of the piste but only 3 were open when I
went last week) and 3 were injured, the resort is closed.

2 British skiers were killed in a seperate avalanche at another resort, the name
wasn't given in the news report ??? more details anyone ???

That said, the snow enabled l'Alpe d'Huez to open some runs 2 weeks early this
Sunday and a great days skiing was had by all.  This resort is not prone to
avalanching on the pistes leading down to the resort.

The resorts that open early 'round these parts seem to have zero patrolling,
and little preperation, care should be taken.

David.

Grenoble, France.
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:13:47 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Cool Idea (was: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?)

In article, <1992Nov18.195849.8938@clarinet.com> , grant@clarinet.com 
(Grant Robinson) writes:

>It seems any time I mention the idea of quitting my job and ski bumming it
>for a year or two, I immediately become an outcast.   In fact, I have yet
>to meet one person who says "Cool idea."

Nice to meet you Grant, Cool Idea!

-Harold

(skiing - not just fun, it's an education)

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:35:20 GMT

>>and our numbers are relatively small.  I don't regard Asian cultures as
>>highly conducive to skiing.

In article <1992Nov16.204556.29374@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>Curious.  I wonder, why not?

A reasonable question.

For reasons similar to Kelly's, but also different.
1) Greater stress by our cultures toward education and work and less on
"play."  To stress: I mean people take real flak for not towing the work
ethic line, especially closer to 1st generation immigrants.  Stress on
academics, wait until you get to be an adult (at which time you don't
have time), etc.
2) Historically, skiing was not really developed Asia (sure you can point
to cases of Tibetans and Nepal Monks who slid down hill sides).  Skiing
really developed as a means of transportation.  And most of Asia lived
below the snow line.
3) Sure a few fine skiers of an Asian-American bent, but mostly beginners.
What you get are group social clubs undertaking skiing, but not just
skiing.  Skiing is a fling thing for the young and a passing phase.

I considered looking at my old H.S. Year books, we had a ski club, but I
didn't pick up skiing until work requirements in college pushed the issue.
I would have been able to count the percentages from the faces in those
year books [I was one of two photographers]: but the faces were not of
proportion to the make up of the school (amazingly "integrated," and I do
remember the African-American skiers).

Shall we bring in soc.culture.asian.american?

California needs snow.

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From: bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bjorn Sateroy +47-2-841342)
Subject: Wanted: Telemark powder ski rec.
Keywords: Telemark powder ski
Reply-To: bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bjorn Sateroy +47-2-841342)
Organization: Ericsson AS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:13:26 GMT

I am planning on buying an extra pair of telemark ski soly for 
off-piste use and want to hear what you telemarkers out there
recommend.

Dynastar have made a ski this year called "Ultra Bultra" which have
gotten good reviews in some of the magazines. Have any of you tried
them?

What about the good ol' Tua Wilderness or Black Diamonds Toute Neige?

Have any of you heard of a ski called Yostmark Mountain Noodle which
supposedly are made in the molds of some old powder alpine ski called
Miller Soft?

Any other ski you would recommend?

Any input is appreciated.

regards,
Bjorn.

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From: cmchui@pollux.usc.edu (Chung Man Chui)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Accommadations in Tahoe around Christmas
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:13:02 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


Hi there, a group(5) of us are planning to ski at Tahoe this Christmas. Does
anybody know of a good plasce to stay? The projected dates are 12/26-12/28.
We would like to rent a condo or a townhouse if possible but someone told
me that those are usually all booked by August. Any suggestions are 
appreciated. Thank you.


								chung
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From: rkmossm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Subject: Re: Closest ski area to San Jose?
Reply-To: rkmossm@PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:10:06 GMT

Iron Mtn. has just gotten new buyers and will open again this year.
For the snowboarders on the net, that has got to be good news. They
have catered to snowboarders for the last couple of years now with
organized races, half pipes, etc. way before others had them. It is
a small resort and not the most challenging in the area, but I have
had people say they actually prefer it to other bigger resorts. They
used to have a mid-week ticket that was something like $16. Of course,
I don't know what they will be like this year.

Bear Valley just completed about $2.5 Million in work on lifts and
runs this past summer. Of course, the fire earlier this year did some 
damage but not much. Their huge parking areas were used as the evacuation
point for all the local residents in that area. I don't know what their
prices will be this year.

Iron Mtn. is on Hwy. 88 east of Sacramento and Bear Valley is on Hwy.
4 east of Stockton. Iron Mtn.s phone # is 209-258-4672 and Bear Valley's
is 209-753-2301.

The normal disclaimers apply. I don't work for or have any interest in
either of these resorts (or any other resorts unfortunately). I just
love skiing and like to see others enjoy it too. I also don't claim
that the prices, etc. above are accurate.
-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ski Card Companies 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:24:43 GMT

>NSA has not gone under,

WHAT! did someone say the National Security Agency went under? Gasp!

Oh, sorry, wrong news.group. 8^)

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:59:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.153828.29540@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@edsr.eds.com
(Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>I think there are two major reasons.
1) geography
2) economy

Thanks!  Clarified.

>I realize there are exceptions
>>>>trying to picture someone like Herschel Walker,
>Great black running back.  Tremendously strong legs.

Okay.  See, I spend my time skiing and climbing.  8^) I won't ask you
precisely what a runing back is (seriously).

>>>I've yet to hear of an Asian-American ski club,
>>>and our numbers are relatively small.  I don't regard Asian cultures as
>>>highly conducive to skiing.
>
>What was the name of the great freestyle skier from a few years back?  I
>believe he was Japanese.

Hank Kashiwa.  He's Japanese-American.  Another one of the exceptions.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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  Scientific Programming
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Big-time snowfall in Ootah
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:53:43 GMT

Big-time snowfall in Ootah...nice to come home to from 75 deg.
Phoenix, walking thru the airport w/ shorts & tank top.  Shoveled a
lot of snow this am.  It will take a determined demon dialer to get
the Alta recorded report.  But, the canyon's are closed...& the local
fools have to learn to drive in the snow again.

-- 
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From: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Subject: The most challenging runs in the world
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:42:42 GMT

Recent postings have compared various ski runs for steepness and
challenge.  This got me thinking about what really makes a run
challenging.

At one end of the spectrum are the extreme skiing runs.  On these
slopes the challenge is simply to survive.  You won't find them
marked in ski areas--except with Closed signs.  Usually it takes
mountain climbing techniques just to reach them.

Next are the "stunt skiing" runs, on which the challenge is not so
much to survive, but to ski difficult terrain in good style.  These
are what you see in Warren Miller's extreme skiing films.

Beyond this, there is a whole world of runs where the challenge is
not just in skiing them, but in HOW you ski them.  Race courses
require speed; moguls require agility.  For some skiers, the greatest
challenge is to leave a perfect set of powder eights.  For others it
is to push the limits of free-heel equipment.  For still others it is
simply to ski the next run better than the last.

When we focus on which run is steepest or roughest, we see only the
objective side of challenge.  I'd guess that most skiers judge
challenge not with a protractor, but with some more personal,
subjective standard.

I'd say the most interesting question is not which run is most
challenging, but how you bring challenge to your runs.

					--Lowell Skoog
					  Seattle, Washington
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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: Traffic: Getting from Reno to S. Lake Tahoe
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:50:12 GMT

eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>In article <efbY032vbcfw00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> tom@uts.amdahl.com
>(Tom Goodwin) writes:
>>We get so tied to our cars that Tahoe gets to be a massive traffic jam; you
>>might as well sit on a bus as in a car.

>Ah, Gawd, tell me about it.
>Our house is 2 miles S of the Y in Tahoe City.  One weekend starting on
>a backcountry overnight trip North of Squaw we got into a line South of
>the Y.  At the Y, I made the decision to drive the long way.  We had a VW
>camper which DIDN'T follow us.  They stuck it out bumper to bumper
>to pass Squaw.  We drove the Lake shore to 267 all the way to Truckee,
>then down 89 and got in the South bound line for a few minutes.  We still
>beat the VW bus by over five minutes at the cost of driving maybe 8 times
>as far.  Ah, the beauty of controlled experiments.

>We have other tricks to avoid situations like this, but they are far
>from perfect.  


SEEMS TO ME that you could have avoided the whole situation by avoiding
the weekend, eh?  :)


Jim

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:29:04 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ski area near Bakersfield,CA?

Hi Hiroki,

There *are* a couple of places near Bakersfield...never skied them...I
know about them because I like to go hiking and rafting out of Kernville
where some friends have a cabin...used to live in SoCal...

There's Shirley Meadows which is adjacent to Kernville,
Wolverton in Sequoia Natl Park NE of Visalia,
and Sierra Summit which is NE of Fresno.

Shirley Meadows is the closest but I don't have a phone number
'tho you could probably find it easily enough. The Shirley Meadows
address could be in Wofford Heights.

The other two are on mike rizzi's list in the FAQ part 7:

Sierra Summit - (209) 893-3316
Wolverton     - (209) 565-3381

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Club Vertical
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 07:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.192659.25132@adobe.com> mparker@adobe.com
(Mike Parker) writes:
>NorthStar (Lake Tahoe, CA) has a new thing this year,
>
>It starts out with a wrist band, the band has your photograph, two
>little metal contacts, and an internal "microchip" with your serial
>number.

>Next, they will keep track of how many vertical feet you ski.  Ski 100,000
>feet and get some free stuff, when you hit 150,000 you gt more free stuff,
>etc.  Cute, kinda fun to keep track, compete with your friends, etc.
>The one person who scores the most feet gets next year's season pass free.

You know if they did this at work, we would complain.
[I just saw one of those ankle transmitters on a probationist the other
day at lunch.]  Some people call this "monitoring."
You might inform Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility [CPSR].
They might get a kick out of this.

>No standing in lift lines, no tickets and wickets, no punches.

I think thet North Star needs a class in queueing theory.
With enough members....

>So what do y'all think?
>
>I think they missed out on lot's of opportunity.  First, the opportunity to
>replace cash.  Why can't I buy hot dogs with the thing?  I could either

Our world is not yet ready to give up cash.

>So, what else can we do with this new toy??
>What's the net's opinion?
Numerous things possible.  Concepts of electronic money abound.  This sounds
like nothing new.

Glen Baker responded:
>Eugene...wanna teach me to XC? This is getting out of hand!

Sure.  $200 fee waived for you.  Say when.  Present this coupon to
redeem your lesson.  We will have you telemarking and skiing
up hills in one day.  See that peak North of Squaw? [Not Tinker, Silver]
You should be able to get near that one day 2.  You buy me dinner.
I am committed to give a couple of talks Donner way this winter.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: susan@ods.com (Susan Murphy)
Subject: Peek-n-Peak Info
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:01:59 GMT


Does anybody know anything about Peek-n-Peak in Western New York
state ?

Specifically:

How crowded is it likely to be around Christmas time ? Would it
be advisable to buy lift tickets in advance ?

Is there anywhere to rent skis around there other than at
the resort ?

Are there sledding hills or any such activities for the kids
while the adults are skiing ?

Thanks in advance, 


P.S.	I already know the skiing will not rival New Mexico or Colorado, 
	we are going there for a family Christmas gathering and I want
	to try and get some skiing in  


Susan Murphy
Optical Data Systems
susan@ods.com
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Club Vertical
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:53:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Nov19.192659.25132@adobe.com> mparker@adobe.com (Mike Parker) writes:
>NorthStar (Lake Tahoe, CA) has a new thing this year, they claim to be
>So what do y'all think?


I think NorthStar is flat.



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