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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:00:21 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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*** Resending note of 09/15/92 11:52
To:           DON MOORE <DBFABAK@CFRVM.BITNET>

>please emit a loud screeching *breeeeeep* to signify its reception.

Thanks!  I didn't make any noise, but PC beeped ....just in time to
wake me for lunch!
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:34:11 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: To
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> Oh oh oh.... this is *too* funny, which is the only thing that
> is keeping me from bursting into tears.  Those <spoof postings>
> dear G, were direct quotes from my book review in the South
> Atlantic Review, and it *is* a shock to see one's own jargon

It was an interesting review.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:40:03 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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> I don't understand at all. So if I know the full history of a word I am
> allowed to prescribe its meaning?

If you're a prescriptivist, you can prescribe anything you want to prescribe.
I don't really understand what it is that you don't understand.  What Torkel
quoted re distinterested/uninterested was, to me, another example of the
silly notions prescriptivists often have.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:56:04 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Aspiration

>> >How many morphemes do you think there are in "armadillo" (for an English
>> >speaker)?  What about "huckleberry"?
>>
>> Ask an English speaker, I say. I think it is one and two respectively.
>
>I vote for one and one.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

You had a FEELING that the old debate will start, eh? No way I am going to
continue with this.

tushar
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:32:52 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Kulchur, NY
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Although I'm not a NYC defender (I'm pretty much indifferent to its
existence), I feel compelled to protest the one-sided image that's
showing up in this discussion.  I can't remember having ever encountered
any real rudeness there.  I do remember having encountered friendliness
and helpfulness.  The last time I was there (about eight years ago, I
think), I asked a bus driver which stop was the right one for NYU, and
everybody else on the bus (which was not at all crowded -- it was a
Sunday morning, I think) joined in with pleasant chitchat, asking me
about the linguistics meeting I was going to there, etc. etc.  When
I got off the bus, they wished me success with the paper I was about to
read, told me they hoped I enjoyed my visit to NY, etc. etc.  That's one
sample story.  I could tell others.

As I said, however, I could live happily the rest of my life without seeing
NYC again -- which is why I didn't bother to go there while roaming through
the Northeast in July.  For some reason, it just doesn't reach out and grab
me.  Guess I don't got no kulture.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Re: Rhubarb Pie
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 22:41:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG> writes:

>> Believe it or not, I have found the recipe in the Joy of Cooking to be
>> excellent.  Given that its primary component besides rhubarb is sugar, I
>> have to ask...who's this for?

>	It's for my dear Richh.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
I love the net!

RICHH
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:04:18 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: My trip- the conclusion.
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              "tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Sep 8, 92 6:16 pm

>
> >(Pasteur worked and made the first Rabies vaccine)
>
> Now I am confused. Exactly what did Jenner do?
>

Small pox vaccine from cow something, serum (?).  Not sure of this, tho.

rashmi
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:14:51 GMT
From:         ADVPD070%CCSUVM1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      RE: Bill's Life
              15 Sep 1992 14:58:46 CDT from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

>Freshman, right?

Well maybe in mentality, but actually I am working on my second
masters degree.  Color my face red.  Where is Panam, is this Pan American
in Edinburg(sp?)?
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Subject:      RE: Bill's Life
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>Well maybe in mentality, but actually I am working on my second
>masters degree.  Color my face red.  Where is Panam, is this Pan American
>in Edinburg(sp?)?

Yep. You are the first not to ask if I am in Panama or if I work for An
Americna Airlines. I guess I've been hanging in IRC too much...

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:26:39 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: wordsler birthdays
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> giggles says:
>    Well we know for sure that:
>    .... neal's is September 25
>    .... -ggs' is September 13
>    .... Colonel Sanders' is September 9
>    .... -ggs' tc/sw's is June 3
>
> and here i thot giggles' was the 14th...oh well.
>
> //anne, <appalled>, i say, <appalled> that giggles left her off the list//

We get to wish you a happy day on Wednesday of this week, don't we, Anne?
Or did I get this one wrong, too?
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:54:24 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Something old, something new

>Legal stuff uses its own terminology, doesn't it?  Isn't that what things
>like Black's Dictionary (??) are for?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

That's the question, really.  Should a court, when confronted
with a case and the need to interpret the language of a statute,
employ the common law meaning of something like "gift," say, or
should it employ some more current popular meaning.  If the
former, then the presumption that everyone knows the law seems
pretty hollow.  Courts tend to presume that where a legislature
uses a term that has a fixed common law meaning, it "intended"
the word to have that meaning, even if the legislature said
nothing about what it intended or didn't intend.

Black's, btw, tends to be for law students.  It's rarely cited by
courts--they tend to use Webster's or the like when not making
presumptions.  This is especially true with criminal statutes.

-Mka
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On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:41:02 EST Entropy Warrior said:

>Maybe Lorne Greene's been around so long because Alpo's been
>around so long.

I continue to miss this one.  What has Lorne Green (aka _The Voice of Doom_)
to do with dog food ?

Tony H.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:50:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: re: family
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>> If such an accident did happen, you could just make up your mind
>> that you would never <darken the door> of *my* house again, you
>> ungrateful, irresponsible, immature child!   How dare you bring
>> this disgrace on this family....   Your aunt is in tears, your
>> lovely step-mother is so ashamed she cannot show her face outside
>> her own home, and your *father*.... well, he just *never* in his
>> life!
>> --your daddy who loves you very much

Thanks for the support, dad!  It makes my life easier knowing you
are behind me all the way!  (By the way, you must know that I
would *never* do anything to make Auntie Doris cry!)

>Jill, read that bottom line. All joking aside, isn't it sad that all
>daddies don't have that attitude if "accidents" happen?

I think my non-list dad would have a heart attack (we generally
just don't tell him things, like my sister moving in with her
boyfriend, etc.), and given his reaction to my sister marrying
a non-Catholic, the "accident" would probably do him in!  Thank
goodness my list family is much more supportive and understanding.
(Altho, my non-list sisters have a lot going for them...especially
since I don't seem to have any list sisters???? ...my list daddy
has non-list children, but I'm an only list-child?? Can that be?)

Jill
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:04:58 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Why I Teach

>At UCLA, in 1954, when there were something like 13,000
>students, incoming frosh took the "Subject A Exam", a two
>hour test, including a one hour essay on a given subject.
>My year it was, "Compare two cities".

I hadn't seen two cities sufficiently well when I joined college.

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:07:14 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Geophagy
              4 Sep 1992 21:28:52 -0500 from <harwell@TENET.EDU>

>I've read that there were (are still?) places in the South where a fresh
>bank of clay had been exposed by, say, earth-moving equipment, that one
>could observe little pockmarks where balls of clay had been spooned out
>for consumption.

    The same is said of dried-up creek beds in the Piedmont of
    North Carolina.  And I once heard of a National Park Service
    study -- never published -- which documented such pockmarks
    in digs near Civil War battlefields.  (Most of these were in
    Georgia.)

brad
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:31:38 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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Posted on 9 Sep 1992 at 17:57:53 by mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
<{emale forensic anthropologist.  I know of one where the
>author is Sharon McCrumb and her heroine is Elizabeth
>someothing...marrying a scottish biologist..
>She is often very funny. Marilyn

I hate her books; the one about Vietnam wasn't bad, but I would
generally equate her w/ Barbara Cartland--and I feel about *her*
much as Ruth does.

No, the one I am thinking of is by Joyce Thompson, and is simply
called Bones. It's not the best book I've ever read, but I'd give
it a B-plus, at least.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:21:19 -0600
From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Amazon T-shirt News

BLues Pineth Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> I don't listen to very much of anything right now since my turntable
> died, my tape deck is questionable, and I'm waiting to get a CD player.
> I do listen to tapes in my car, but I'm usually not in my car for more
> than five minutes at a time.  I haven't listened to any blues in a good
> while.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>

     With all of this woe, you should be able to more than a passable
job of singing the blues yourself.  A pity you don't have any radio
shows like 'The Red Rooster Lounge' available to you.  Then again, the
Rooster is only on for an hour, from 2300-2400 Sunday.  That was
finally got me to take a serious listen to the blues, which has led me
to start to appreciate them.  Hope the blues situation improves,
Natalie.

The Ronin
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:44:47 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Anglicizing
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> >                           In her day it was considered correct
> >to give English pronunciations to foreign words in English.
>
> I have always wondered why it is wrong to do that now. What is the

Who said it was wrong?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:46:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: re: family
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>You remember correctly, sis.  The <grandbaby no. 1> is due on September
>24, arriving at the home of Michael Stephens Griffing Smith and
>Cecilia Valdes-Smith (or, actually, according to the system I

Whee!  Another (niece or) nephew...I hope it's a niece, altho I'm
practically willing to bet money on nephew, based on my sister's
4 boys.  A niece would be nice, for a change.  Dad, you're still
somewhat in the doghouse, but if you pass on my request, you may
begin to redeem yourself.  You've given me Auntie Doris, who is
a wonderful addition to any family, and now a niece or nephew, so
I may be willing to forgive you.  ;-)

By the way, I have a friend moving to North Carolina - plane leaving
on Friday...be nice to her - we're really going to miss her, here!

Jill
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:46:41 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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>How about Margery[sp] Allingham?

Reminds me of her father, M A H Allingham Esq. Old friend from India and a
decent chap.

tushar
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Subject:      Re: Morsel morceau
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Posted on 13 Sep 1992 at 22:52:02 by Entropy Warrior
>"The misunderstanding lies in mistaking habits or clusters for rules or
>laws"
>     Gary Morson

Do you have a citation for this, Ausbrook?  Or a larger context?

Karen
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: Prison camp? was Plumbing woes
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Good joke, neal, but it's mka who knows all about prison camp.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:18:11 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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              at Sep 11, 92 11:55 am

> How do you address Zen internet.?  MGarber

The Guru observes the net
but trusts his inner vision.
He allows things to come and go.
His heart is as open as the ether.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:05:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: re: family
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>Does this mean I don't get the grandchildren?
>--ggs

I think that, for now, no one gets them, unless we intend to
be part of the family values debate (<shudder>), because I'm
not married.  Of course, accidents do happen, and in the
event of such an accident, I'll move home with my dear old
dad, and his tc/sw...

Jill
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:15:10 CDT
From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Teaching....
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> >I don't really understand what it is that you don't understand.
>      This is a perfect example of Natalie at her <most vexing>.
>      Carol, whose dog didn't use to be in this fight

You ought to see what it's like to live here.  She says things like that
to me all the time.  I'm surprised that I can think clearly anymore.
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:13:12 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: I am not afraid of words-l!

>	Tushar, you misunderstand.  Rich and I are not warring.  He's
>my long lost <rhubarb-man>.

How sweet.

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: To
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natalie, you posted an amusing set of rules for semiologists
or some such pillocks.  It included things like 'never refer
to writing; it's always 'a text''  and lots of good names to drop.
Wish I could find it - it would be interesting to see if it rang
any bells against some recent posts.  Your spoof postings today
were in exactly the right style.

G
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:38:05 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: The wonders of telecom
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		I think that women make better use of this aspect in general
	than most of the men I've run across on the net.  I'm on 3 or 4
	different women's mailing lists, and boy, I'll tell ya, shared
	knowledge is a powerful thing.

You mean backstabbing gossip in private where the gossipee has
no power to correct misunderstandings or lies?  I'm sure in this
case you know all about the person down to what color of socks he wears,
but I've seen personally what happens when women on the net get together
to do someone down just because he offended one of their friends.

A little knowlege is a dangerous thing.

G
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:18:54 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Majority and "norm"
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> You said, I seem to recall, that if a majority uses a word a
> certain way, that *becomes* the norm, not that it is.  Oui?

Right.  I was using idiomatic English, which is in this case not as
clear as French would be.  If a majority will use a word a certain
way it will become the norm.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:19:41 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Okay, the list has been a little slow
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> 1) You can now fly nonstop from Atlanta to Tokyo--Ms. Harwell-Foster,
> your reasons for not visiting Akio are getting pretty weak!

Delta has been flying nonstop Atlanta-Tokyo for years now.  My neighbors
who go to Japan a couple of times a year took that flight once several
years ago but have opted for stopping in California on subsequent trips.
They said it was LLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG.  (They never did try to figure out
how many hours it was because they didn't want to think about it.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:16:52 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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> Have you forgotten how this discussion started?

Yes.  I have a very short attention-span.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:36:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Abbie hoffman
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>Abbie Hoffman was born Nov 30,1936. Oddly, both Barry Freed
>and Spiro Igloo were born on the very same day !
>
>                                            Br Paul
> btw - If I don't get a branch on the tree,I'll  leave.

Quick, Dad, put him on the tree -- it's fall!  Cousin/Brother
Paul, how could we forget you!??

Jill
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:55:34 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Dickens/Shaw/Richh/Smith
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>
> In the con<text> of this dual analogy, I want to know which one is
> Dickens and which is Bernard Shaw?  I want to be Dickens...  I *want*
> to be *Dickens*....
> --ggs

Two very different styles of writing.  Two very different choices of
subject matter.  Two very different tones.  While it would perhaps be
intellectually interesting to see what Dickens would do with _Pygmalion_,
for instance, and to see what Shaw would do with _Oliver Twist_, why
would anyone want to?  And *you* you youthful thing you, remind me more of
Shaw than of Dickens.  But if you really want to be Dickens, go ahead, but
you're going to have to change your ways....
Doris
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Thanatopsis
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:23:14 GMT

I've just been reminded, via email, that the poem I couldn't remember is
indeed -Thanatopsis,- and the kindhearted person didn't even gloat over my
misremembering the order of the two words: the poem starts 

   So live that when thy summons comes...

Gawd, doesn't that roll sonorously off the tongue!  Putting a <oral> comma
after 'So' really shows up the hedonism of adolescents, doesn't it?  I
gotta go reread that one.  

Oh, and Natalie, wasn't that Leda poem pre-1985?   

--bayla
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:43:34
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: marley.think.com
In-reply-to: Gilbert Smith's message of Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:33:00 EDT

giggles says:

   Well we know for sure that:
   .... neal's is September 25
   .... -ggs' is September 13
   .... Colonel Sanders' is September 9
   .... -ggs' tc/sw's is June 3

and here i thot giggles' was the 14th...oh well.  

//anne, <appalled>, i say, <appalled> that giggles left her off the list//