HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:46:54 GMT

In article <9207292134.AA11340@hylas.wustl.edu> zuofeng@hylas.wustl.edu (Zuofeng Li) writes:
>
......
>
>$10,631 for a Tempo certainly ain't cheap.
>
>>Do you expect that first class products are imported to China?
>
>Why not? China's spending the big bucks anyway, why not the better
>VALUES? China did import a whole herd of M-B's for use as Taxies.
>Ain't those first class products? :-)
>
Tempo is notorious for its lousy quality. The price tag doesn't say much
as it doesn't show the options around. Otherwise the $10,631 isn't
expensive.

>One of the GM officials commented, after the deal was sealed, that
>it is expected that the deal would help China gain MFN. China's
>essentially buying the Tempos (and Chrysler Maxi- and Mini- vans,
>and GM Minivans and SUV's), for the political leverage. But even
>then there could've been better buys than Tempos out there. :-(
>
That is the whole point, the deal is not only try to gain the MFN, also
it tries to help Bush's campaign. I suspect there is a deal between Bush
and China. If Bush is not elected, the deal might be off one way or
another. 

BTW, American cars do have a good reputation in China, as there are few
American cars in China.

>-zuofeng
>
Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: lug@oak.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:49:19 GMT

In article <fortony.712455562@murphy>, fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
|
|> 
|> Sorry to hear it.  I was being quite serious.  If given a choice between
|> watching a technically perfect but somewhat boring Chinese diver who's
|> guaranteed to win and watching an older, flawed but spirited American
|> diver, I'm going to make the second choice every time.  At least the
|> American had expressions on her face.
|> 

Your choice must be respected for it is your business. But  your statement " a technically perfect
 but somewhat boring Chinese diver" would possibly offense a lot of netters.  Fu Ming Xia (the chinese
diver) is by now means "boring". I suggest you watching some commercials next time when Fu Ming
Xia showed up, usally, people in the commercial ad are more vivid and "spirited".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Xue3 Ran3 de Feng1 Cai3 (Re: No dog .....)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:50:25 GMT

In article <92208.045229XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>That famous song is still popular. However who knows how the dead
>and alive  heros in the Vienam War really feel about it and how
>they feel the new sino-vietnam relationship?
>
>Maybe they never feel nothing. Just "Yes, sir!".
>
And "Wei Ren Min Fu Wu"

>X Xu

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:39:48 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Jul.28.13.45.37.1992.4090@terra.rutgers.edu> lixj@terra.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
>
>Have a heart, those girls give all their sweat and blood for the
>gold/silver/bronze, and you sit there laughing at them?

Yes, more than that.  They also give their bodies, marriages and 
family lives so that you can say "I'm proud of being a Chinese."

A typical steroid for muscle mass increase is male hormone.  The
side effects are extra muscles (not being excised or needed by
that sport), and the maleness of female users, such as deep voice
throat bump (Hou2Jie2, what's the English name?) and male-like
look.  Their monthly cycle and ovilation are changed, probably
stopped.  With the male hormone, I don't think they are attracted
to men or attractive to men.  Their marriage, child bearing ...
After stopping steroid use, I'm not sure how long it takes for
the male hormone to decrease and whether their bodies can become
normal.  Most athletes gain weight after stopping their excises.
But with the muscle mass to start with, how will they look like?

We are not here to laugh at them.  We feel sorry for them.  We do
not like to see that they have to sacrify their bodies, marriage
and family lives to satisfy our selfish pride (more of A-Q pride).

The meaning of Olympic is not for the medal, not for our selfish
pride and not for cruel body abuse, but rather for the upward
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From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:15:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.041405.21803@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.221102.323@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>>I strongly encourage everyone from mainland to discontinue their subscription
>>with Time. This is America man and money talks! Let's hurt Time where it really
>>counts.  
>>
>I support you. I'll switch from Time to Newsweek. 
 

	Well, if you paid attention, you would have noticed that Newsweek
ran much more articles than TIME that is unfavorable to China.  TIME is a
conservative magzine which normally does a better job than Newsweek in
many political and international matters.

	If you do feel so strongly about this swimming pool issue, why
don't you call or write them to see if it is just a stupid typo or editing
mistake?  I can easily imagine TIME publishing some letters in a couple of
weeks on this.  :-)

	All in all, I wish we could have more patience and tolerance to
mistakes others made.


    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao)
Subject: Watch NBC tonight (7/31/92)...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:50:53 GMT


The commentator mentioned last night that NBC would "discuss" the allegedly
drug abuse by the chinese women swimmers.  I wonder what they will say.

Tao
From: lixj@terra.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:45:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I don't know if the Chinese girls use drugs or not. But u better shut
your mouth up before you having any evidence. I think those Americans are
no different from us Chinese: when somebody else does better than you,
throw some dirt on his/her face.

Have a heart, those girls give all their sweat and blood for the
gold/silver/bronze, and you sit there laughing at them?
From: david@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (David C. J. Leip)
Subject: Looking for Xu Yajun in Boston
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:30:08 -0400


Can anyone tell me how to contact Xu Yajun, or at least pass this message onto
her?  My wife, Fang Yuan, is a friend of her's; but has lost her current
address. To complicate things we have also recently moved, so Yajun no longer
has our correct address. The last known location for Xu Yajun is at Brandeis 
University (Boston) in the department of Bio-chemistry. 

Our new address:

78 College Ave W.
Unit #321
Guelph, Ontario
Canada  N1G 2W1

(519) 766-1834  (home)

(519) 824-4120  ext.4574  (office)

<fcsfang@vm.uoguelph.ca>

Thanks.

- David.

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Subject: Re: Who was Lu Xun?
From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul27.185324.12941@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>Greetings, folks. I have come across a quote by someone named Lu Xun. Does
>anyone know who this person was, and are there any writings of his
>available?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Danny Keren.
>


One of the three best chinese writers and thinkers of this century.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21495 rec.sport.olympics:1740
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:09:41 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <fortony.712455562@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>>>In the women's diving competition you mention, the winner was so ridiculously
>>>good and so superhuman in her style that she stopped being interesting.
>
>>Thanks for the best laugh I have had in days. Who needs "rec.humor"
>>after this?
>
>Sorry to hear it.  I was being quite serious.  If given a choice between
>watching a technically perfect but somewhat boring Chinese diver who's
>guaranteed to win and watching an older, flawed but spirited American
>diver, I'm going to make the second choice every time.  At least the
>American had expressions on her face.

These are typical racist comments. A good diver needs concentration
on the platform, not "flawed but spirited" *American* expression on
the face. You don't like the Chinese diver, only because she is not 
an American and does not have your American "expression" on her face, 
regardless of her performance. 

If Michael Jordan plays for an African nation, I bet you will say 
the same thing about him. 

>angle.  The Chinese diver could have been a robot, and nobody would
>have noticed.  Period.

You need to find better excuses.
From: xbf@CELAL.USC.EDU (Bofu Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Steroids...
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:57:27 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal) 
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, USA
Keywords: 

In article <1992Jul28.102928.4460@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Huang) writes:
<=>
<=>tells you what actually happened.  Don't be too surprised when your 
<=>friend tell you why in many sports that require muscle strength Chinese
<=>girls did much better than guys (how many women's weightlifting world 
<=>records are held by Chinese?).

Chinese players, men and women, used to dominate table tennis (when they
were on steroids or other performance enhancing drugs?) before it became
an Olympic event.  Look at the competition nowadays.

I guarantee you China will cease to dominate women's weightlifting as
it is doing now if and when the event becomes a competitive sport in
the Olympics.

Xiong Bofu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jpxu1@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:02:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.201926.12895@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
(gabage deleted)

According to your theory and your post, I know you must have much more
more muscles around your mouth.

--jpx
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: China in Olympics
Originator: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:57:58 GMT


      MEDAL COUNT AS OF 27.7.

Country		Gold Silver  Bronz   Total
EUN		   6	  1	 0	 7
China		   3      6	 1	10
USA		   3	  2	 5	10
Hungary		   2	  1	 1	 4
Korea		   2	  0	 0	 2
Germany		   1	  1	 3	 5
Australia	   1	  1	 1	 3
Japan              1 	  1	 1	 3
Bulgaria	   1	  1	 0	 2
Spain		   1	  0	 0	 1
France		   0	  2	 3	 5
Sweden		   0	  2	 1	 3
Italy		   0	  1	 1	 2
Poland		   0	  1	 0	 1
Cuba		   0	  1	 0	 1
Finland		   0	  0	 1	 1
Holland		   0	  0	 1	 1
Romany		   0	  0	 1	 1
Surinam		   0	  0	 1	 1
Mongolia           0	  0	 1	 1

Aranka Binder	   -	  -	 1	 1

The following events are counted:
(WARNING: Includes medalists of the individual events)

M 100m Breast (USA,HUN,AUS)
M 200m Freestyle (EUN,SWE,FIN)
M Free-pistol 60s (EUN,CHN,SWE)
M 100km timecycling (GER,ITA,FRA)
M Weight lifting 52kg (BUL,CHN,ROM)
F 100m Freestyle (CHN,USA,GER)
F 400m Multiple (HUN,CHN,USA)
F Air-rifle (KOR,BUL,---)
F Cross-Country Cycling (AUS,FRA,HOL)

M 4x200m Free (EUN,SWE,USA)
M 400m Multiple (HUN,USA,ITA)
M 100m Butterfly (USA,POL,SUR)
M Weight lifting 56kg (KOR,CHN,CHN)
M Air-rifle 60+10s (EUN,FRA,GER)
M Cycling 1000m time (ESP,AUS,USA)
M Judo +95kg (EUN,JPN,FRA+HUN)
F 200m Freestyle (USA,GER,GER)
F 200m Breast (JPN,CHN,USA)
F 10m Swimjump (CHN,EUN,USA)
F Judo +72kg (CHN,CUB,ITA+JPN)
F Sport pistol(EUN,CHN,MGL)
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Bao Tong is sentenced to 4+3 years
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:44:18 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    Bao Tong is sentenced to 9 years.  He has been in jail without trial
for two years, so he has to serve another 7 years more.
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 15:31:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu> xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu) writes:
>	Hello netters :
>	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.
>

   Everybody or his ancestor except native Indians is/was foreigners.
This land is yours, don't be too shy.  This is America, every body
basicaly has the equal rights, as long as you know how to keep and 
use it.

  Don't discriminate yourself.
From: leslie@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Leslie Yuan Ji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:17:13 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul29.132508.23782@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.203757.29535@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>
>>First of all, welcome back to scc, Ms.Liu. I sincerely hope you come
>>back with your health problem cured because this thread might not go on
>>nicely (i.e. it might be harmful to your health.)
>
>Thank you for remembering my health. :-o   My WBC is back to normal 
>according to the blood check of last week.  So I am healthy now.  Thank
>you.
>

[deleted part]

>>Finally, some tips for you: don't jump to conclusion and don't be too
>>sensitive to any comments about women.
>
>Thank you for your advise.  I cannot help mentioning that I got a message 
>critisizing San Mao to have a Westerner husband.
>
>BTW, what was San Mao's English name, Echo?  And where can I get her books 
>in US and are there English version of her books?  I did not finish all her
>books in in China and would like to read the beautiful books.

You can find Sha Mao's book in Bookstores selling chinese book, I know the
the chinese book store in Atlanta area carrys San Mao's books as well as
other writers like Qiong Yao , Yu li Hua.        

You can also order chinese book from "Willis book" in California, I used to
order books from them, but I lost their 800 number. Someone please kindly
post their 800 numbers in the net.

Yuan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: R1493@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Hello!
Organization: CSU
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:45:36 GMT

Saying hello! to all friends from China. This is a test
From: PXW10@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Bao Tong is sentenced to 4+3 years
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:10:00 GMT

I remember some one predicted that Bao would be sentenced to 3 or 4 years in
prison. That was close. Bao is sentenced to 7 years.

Peter
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rock Concert in Bejing
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:49:09 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul21.131049.2006> polar@top.cis.syr.edu (Polar Humenn) writes:
>Hi,
>I have a couple of questions.  A friend of mine was recently approached
>by the Chinese Government about producing a Rock Concert (stadium style)
>in Bejing.  Before he seriously talks to these guys he wants a little
>backround information.  

I doubt the guy your friend talked to represents the Chinese
government. Probably just a middleman trying to make a buck.
However, given the benefit of doubt, if the Chinese government
wants the show, Elton John type will be the safest, Micheal Jackson
will be the most popular one, Madonna will be impossible, Springstein et al
will lose your chance to produce next show there ...

The stadium will be filled no matter who does the show, so may be
it's better in a business point of view to get someone who will do
for lesser rate. I personally would like to see good alternative
music being introduced to China.
 
>1.  Is there enough interest for Western Music to fill a stadium
>    out there.  Or will it be too crazy and get out of hand, ie. 
>    causing the tanks to roll in again.  
>
>2.  Also, what type of music would the, I suppose younger, people would
>    like to see.  The government wants a BIG show.   However, they have
>    absolutely no idea about western music.  Would somebody like Madonna,
>    or Micheal Jackson,  who gets pretty sexual on stage, be shut down?  
>    Would the people prefer "nice guys" like Elton John (who will be on tour)
>    or Billy Joel, or do they want somebody like Bruce Springstein and 
>    John Cougar Mellanchamp screaming red, white, and blue, America.
>
>3.  BIG QUESTION.  If there was to be a Rock Concert in Bejing, where would
>    they have it.  How big is the place(s).
>
>I don't have a lot of information on this, and right now it is just
>an idea brewing, but the government wants to move on this by the end of
>august.
>What are the thoughts out there?  Will this kind of thing fly.
>
>Thanks,
>-Polar     replies to   polar@top.cis.syr.edu
>           discussion to soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: Quality of American Car. Re: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:44:39 -0500

In article <1992Jul30.180508.19080@gateway.novell.com> cyang@npd.Novell.COM 
(Cheng Yang) writes:

>Maybe you forgot most "Japanese" car are made in U.S.A. i.e. Honda Accord,
>Toyota Corollar (same as GEO Prizm...).  If you want to buy a Japanese car
>made in Japan, you have to specify that to the dealer.  They've got different
>serial numbers from others.  The shipping fee you said ($450) may be the
>shipping from the Kentucky factory to your city.::))

Surely (not "may be" :-) you haven't read what you quoted below, please
read it again and pay attention to the underlined with "~~~~~"s.

> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>Boy, have you ever visited a Japanese Car Dealer?  If not, then do
>>it today, or to save you time, the destination charge for a Japanese
>>car to be shipped via sea freight from Japan to the U.S.A. is about 
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>$450 as displayed on the price tag.

Guess they won't put the cars into "sea freight" to ship them from "the 
Kentucky factory to your city" (i.e., Chicago, it is a sea-lake port city :-)

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: yao@perform1.tti.com (Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to Translate?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:05:15 GMT
Organization: Citicorp/TTI


It's fun watching you guys trying hard to translate Luo2 Guan4-Zhong1's
poem-- some are serious contenders while others are half-heartedly humorous,
but all are very Jing1 Cai3.

Here comes my two cents:
A true piece of art can usually be interpreted in manifolds, like looking at
a crystal beam-- taken a slightly different angle of view, reflections will
vary, but they will always be amazingly beautiful.  This poem will arouse
a spectrum of sentiments/thoughts, depending on your mileage, and the
important thing (thus the beauty of this piece of art) is:  all these
sentiments/thoughts are full-heartedly felt.

Your mileage may vary,

Yuhan Yao


P.S. Personally I favor a direct (minimalist) translation, leaving the rest
     of the imagination up to the reader.  Example:

     Resting still are those rivers and mountains
     Yet how many times will the sun set in red ?
From: ylq@lems24lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Another gold 
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:55:56 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 100m Butterfly FINAL
=======================================
 
World Record		57.93
Olympic Record		59.00

 
Gold	HONG, Qian			CHN	  58.62		New OR
Silver	AHMANN-LEIGHTON, Christine	USA	  58.74
Bronze	PLEWINSKI, Catherine		FRA	  59.01
------
4	XIAOHONG, Wang			CHN	?
5	O'NEILL, Susan			AUS	  59.69
6	SANDERS, Summer			USA
7	VAN ALMSICK, Franziska		GER	?
8	SHITO, Rie			JPN	?
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