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From: mt0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mohd Z. Tuah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Steelers
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:52:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofGUADi00VAyM4kkxi
Organization: Senior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm not a Buffalo fans but I think the Steelers may have problems
containing Beebe and Thomas.  After an incredible comeback last week, 
look for the Buffaloes to win.  Steelers secondary is not as good as
many people thought.

Zaidi
From: timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:26:47 GMT
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In article <1993Jan7.181635.5899@novell.com>, barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
writes:
|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> Now where it really gets interesting:
|> >|> 
|> >|> San Francisco:	195 PF-PA
|> >|> Dallas:		166
|> >|> New Orleans:	128
|> >|> Minnesota:	125
|> >|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Just for the record, here is the season:
|> 
|> 49ers	31	Giants	14	W
|> 49ers	31	Bills	34	L
|> 49ers	31	Jets	14	W
|> 49ers	16	Saints	10	W
|> 49ers	27	Rams	24	W
*********
|> 49ers	20	Patriots12	W   The score here was actually 24 to 12
*********
|> 49ers	56	Falcons	17	W
|> 49ers	14	Cards	24	L
|> 49ers	41	Falcons	 3	W
|> 49ers	21	Saints	20	W
|> 49ers	27	Rams	10	W
|> 49ers	20	Eagles	14	W
|> 49ers	27	Dolphins 3	W
|> 49ers	20	Vinkings17	W
|> 49ers	21	Bucs	14	W
|> 49ers	24	Lions	 6	W
|> 
|> _________________________________
|> 
|> 49ers	427	Opponent	236
|> 
|> Difference = 	191

	Real difference is 195
	I think the Patriots game score should clear up the descrepincy.


|> 
|> I don't know where the 195 point differential came from, but these are
|> the figures that I have...

...

|> 
|> That said, I don't want the skins/Niners game to be QUITE that close...
|> 
|> Bah
|> 
|> 
	Me neither!

	Tim

|> --
|> + Barrey Jewall - Network  Admin.++  and yea, though I walk through the
|> shadow 
|> + barrey@novell.com	         ++ of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am
|> + Novell, Inc.- San Jose, Calif. ++ the meanest sonofabitch in the valley...
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From: stavish@purch.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Jim Kelly?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 15:43:21 GMT

Yes, Jimbo will be back, most likely for the AFC Championship
should the Bills advance.  The feeling around Buffalo is that he
could play this week against the Steelers if needed, but with Frank
coming off that incredible win even Kelly says keep him in there.
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can the Bills keep it going?
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:38:18 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan9.202153.13951@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>YES! FINAL SCORE: Steelers  3   Bills  24
>
>The Bills played a methodical, control ball offense and DEFENSE!
>O'Donnell could not muster the win against a determined Bills D.
>His rustiness was quite evident and the Steelers D was shredded
>apart by Reich's passing and the Bills running. Kudos to the
>Bills, who IMHO, surprised me! Reich continues to also
>surprise me with his uncanny calmness. FORWARD ON!
>

The Bills won this one on experience. They started out slow, but stuck in
there for the win. I remember back in '88 when we were in the same position
as the Steelers are: talented team, but new to the playoffs and not able to
completely deal with it. Look for the Steelers in the playoffs next year.
--Jim
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From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
Subject: Re: steve walsh deal
Reply-To: kellywh@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:52:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.190257.1752@micom.com>,
jscott@micom.com (James Scott) writes:

>From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
>
>> As far as I'm concerned, that trade was one of the dumbest things
>> Jim Finks has done while with the Saints.  Don't get me wrong -
>> overall, I think Finks and Mora have worked miracles for us.  But
>> Walsh was (like Torretta is) another over-rated Miami quarterback,
>> Johnson knew it, and he took us to the cleaners.
>
>hey bill ... do you remember what the specifics of the trade were? i
>seem to recall there being 2 draft picks involved ... but i'm pretty
>uncertain.
>

As I recall, there were 3 definite picks involved - #1 that year and
#2 and #3 the following year.  There was also some contingency based
on whether Walsh did something like start at least half the games
for the Saints the following year, but I don't remember exactly
what that was - it had some effect on whether that was a #2 or #1 the
following year, I think.

>also, if JJ knew walsh was "another over-rated Miami quarterback," i
>wonder why he blew a first round pick on him (granted that JJ didn't
>think it would be THE #1 pick).
>

A fair question, and one that I've wondered about...only answer I have
is that he knew he'd have both Aikman and Walsh (weren't they in the
same draft??) and could trade away the weaker of the two to some
suckers like us.  'Course the Saints were in a bind with Hebert
holding out that year.  Or maybe he's a helluva gambler and wanted
to inflate Walsh's value as much as possible before a trade?

>any dallas fans out there who could name who the cowboys got with the
>pick(s) from NO?

Yeah, I'm curious about that, too.

>
>thanks, 
>
>james

Bill
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Going out for breakfast, boring game!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:41:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan10.193823.13909@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

> YAWN! This Eagles-Dallas game is getting boring.
> I'm hungry and I am going out for some pancakes

No game where the beagles get crushed is a boring game......


mark
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SKINS WIN
Date: 4 Jan 1993 09:35:20 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
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In article <1993Jan2.204922.3059@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>FINAL SCORE:  VIKINGS   7   REDSKINGS   24
>
>The Vikings who made a great run this year, but playoff 
>experience does count for something. I for one am NOT surprised 
>that the SKINS came through. I am suprised to see this Brian 
>Mitchell control the game with his running. Byner also contributed, 
>as well as Clark, Monk, but Kudos to Rypien for showing up 
>the doubters. Mitchell was the Redskins KEY in this game IMHO, 
>209 combined yards for the day! As Coach Green said after the
>game, "My hats off to the Redskins....", I concur!

As a (very satisfied!) Redskins fan, I have to say that having watched
the Vikings all season long, and being very impressed by their success, *my*
hat's off to coach Green for a great first season.  I think he is going
to be a great coach, and I don't think there's another coach in the NFC
I would have rathered the Skins lost to in the playoffs (so they'd better
keep winning dammit!)  He lost with dignity, and class, the same way
Gibbs would have lost.

>Next weeks game between the Redskins and the Niners should be
>a classic. I just hope the outcome is relied on in good football 
>and not won by luck. :-)  If the Skins can play as good or
>better against the Niners, then the Niners cannot afford to
>make any mistakes.

Good point.  Neither team faced the other this season, so we have almost
nothing to guage them against, really.  I should probably be scared
shitless about this game, but I'm not for some reason.  I hope it's a
good game, and not a blowout.


Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:33:34 MST
From: zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Dump Steve Young (NOT!)


+ 34117	Thank God for the Niner DEFENSE               [25] MPA15C!MP@TRENGA.treIn article <BBNM22202E6644@MPA15C>, MPA15C!MP@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com writes:
>I'm starting a Dump Steve Young movement.  If everyone who thinks that
>Steve Young's three inexcusable fumbles and one stupid interception
>warrant his explusion from the league will send me $10.00 then we can
>find someone to encourage Steve to start his career as lawyer.
>
>In watching this game I kept getting the feeling that Young actually
>wanted to lose the game.  Thank goodness that the defense didn't agree.
>They put pressure on Rypien, the held Art Monk to 2 catches for 44
>yards, and kept Byner to a pathetic number of yards per carry.  In other
>words, they did all the defensive things they needed to do in order
>to win the game.
>
>Offensively they looked so-so but I attribute that Steve Young's
>idiotic performance.
>
>
>WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!
>

You want Joe?  Do you mean Joe Theismann, Joe Namath, or some other
washed-up QB who insists that he's still the best there is? :)

Seriously, though, Steve was the League MVP.  You are entitled to your opinion
that Steve Young is an idiotic quarterback, of course.  But your opinion is
obviously not held by those who make a living playing, coaching, analyzing, and
writing about football.

Ok, so he had a tough game--and he DID make some mistakes.  But all of this
non-stop ragging on Steve implies that Joe would never have made those mistakes.
Yeah right.  It starts to sound like the Saturday Night Live Ditka thread
("Joe Montana 174 Washington Redskins 3") after a while.  :)

Steve Zimmerman
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From: bereynol@21055.rit.edu (BRIAN EDWARD REYNOLDS)
Subject: FEDKIW: GIVE IT UP! THE TRASH ENDS HERE!! :)
Originator: rdarnese@c00732-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bereynol@21055.rit.edu (BRIAN EDWARD REYNOLDS)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:45:39 GMT




  Well, since we know now that FEDKIW is the ultimate Miami bandwagoneer,
  his predictions aren't worth a grain of salt. Just stick to Mathematics.
  You don't know football at all! You can only WISH that Buffalo throw the
  Miami game, for that is your only chance to see the Dolphins prevail!! :)

  Lemme guess... if Miami loses, you have to jump on the NFC bandwagon!!
                  Get a clue.. SQUISH THE FISH!! :)

  Get a real major... maybe you're judgement will be less clouded!!!! :)
-- 
--rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    gggggggg     ooooooo      Washington Redskins   Hail to the Redskins.
    g      g     o     o      Atlanta Braves        Hail Victory.
    g            o     o      N.C. State Wolfpack   Braves on the Warpath.
    g     ggg    o     o      Charlotte Hornets     Fight for ol' D.C.
    g      g     o     o      S.D. Chargers         If you like any of these teams
    g      g     o     o      Pittsburgh Steelers   please e-mail me.
    gggggggg     ooooooo      Washington Huskies
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: REDSKINS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:11:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.172624.20757@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>
>>Again, your mind is made up that Washington does not
>>have a great QB. BTW, their QB did win the SB MVP didn't her?
>
>Yes, she was the SB MVP, but ever since we discovered Rypien was
>a girl her play has been mediocre at best.
>
You sexist Pig you! :-)

>Remember Timmy Smith?  The Redskin running back who had a one game
>career in the SB?  Are you going to claim he is the equal of Emmitt
>Smith?  Believe me, I wish Rypien was a great QB, but he isn't.
>He is merely good...and we should be grateful for that.  We should
>be grateful he's not a Salsbury, or a Testaverde, or a Gelbaugh. 
>But he's not a Montana either.  He's simply a good QB in an excellent
>system that sometimes makes him an MVP.
>
>				me
>
For that ONE game, Timmy Smith surpassed any and ALL RBs
before and since then.  E. Smith has yet to prove himself
in ANY SBs. Probably never will. :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist)
Subject: 49ers-Skins
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:50:12 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: edquist@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu



What's happening in the 49ers-Skins game?  I'm stuck here at school.

Karl Edquist                     *************************************
Dept. of Aerospace Engr.         * Sam - "Whatcha up to, Norm?"      * 
Univ. of Maryland, College Park  * Norm - "My ideal weight if I were * 
                                 *         eleven feet tall"         *
                                 *************************************
      CCCCCCC
     C       C
     C        
     C  UUU     UUU  Buffaloes
     C   U       U 
     C   U   C   U   1990 MNC
      CCCCCCC    U
         U       U
          UUUUUUU
From: root@ciss.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re: Montana ...a poor sport?
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:47:37 GMT
Reply-To: bill.east@daytonoh.ncr.com
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH

In article <C0I5Ev.JIn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>I'm curious, don't y'all wonder how poorly Joe accepts his back-up role,
>especially when compared with Young?  How long has Young been a "team
>player"?
>--
>
>Gary Beason
>Purdue University
>bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu

Doubt seriously that S. Young really liked the backup role anymore than 
other quality QBs that haven't had a chance to play.  Anyone satisfied as 
a backup probably should find employment in another field.
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Interesting Playoff Stat.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:12:00 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.100.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU>, 
Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - G writes...
>In article <1993Jan8.204323.28285@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> john@ice.stx.com 
(John DiMarzio) writes:
>>From: john@ice.stx.com (John DiMarzio)
>>Subject: Interesting Playoff Stat.
>>Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:43:23 GMT
>>I read today in the Washington post that since the NFL has gone to the
>>3 Wildcard playoff format three years ago the teams that have had a first
>>round bye are 8-0.  Also the winning margin has averaged 17.5 points with
>>only one game being closer than 10 points.  A little rest does a body
>>good eh?
>>
>>
>>John DiMarzio
> 
> 
>Apparently the streak continues!  
>ALN

No, it doesn't since Pittsburgh lost at home to Buffalo. Consequently, we can 
see another game in rain-soacked Joe Robbie Stadium instead of Three Rivers.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Matchups
Keywords: BILLS PREVAIL: LET'S GO CHARGERS!! :)
Date: 10 Jan 93 06:38:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan10.025139.25979@ncsu.edu> rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN) writes:
>
>
>
>   Well, the little fishies from Miami thought that sliding into the AFC
> East title was their ticket to the Super Bowl. All I can say is, San Diego,
> end this charade. Put the Dolphins away, so the Bills will have a nice
> sandlot football game in Jack Murphy. The Bills want to play class, not
> chumps for the AFC title!!! :)
>
> 1964 AFL title- Buffalo 20, San Diego 7
> 1965 AFL title- Buffalo 20, San Diego 0
>
>
> Let the streak continue!!! :) This time, AFL=AFC!!!! :)

I think San Diego already  broke this streak in '80 or '81 when they beat us 
in the playoffs. The game was played in San Diego.
--Jim
From: jcrowder@morse.cns.vt.edu (Jeff Crowder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Superbowl date/time?
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:29:39 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


Can somebody give me the date and kickoff time for this year's
Superbowl?  Please e-mail.

Thanks,

jc 
skins-bills, just watch... 
(heck, that at least ought to get me some kind of answer)
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Saints Cha-Choke
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:22:37 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <C0B9xq.2Fn@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>In article <103579@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>Next week... the 2 bst games in the NFC: Eagles at Dallas, Skins at 49ers!
>
>What does that say about the NFC East when 3 of the final 4 teams are all from
>the NFC East? Deffinately the toughest division of the NFL.
>
Playing the best team of the last decade: the Niners.

George Lambert
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Rookie Salary Cap
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:45:07 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1993Jan7.193217.4627@mksol.dseg.ti.com> dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com writes:
> Anyone have any details on the new rookie team salary cap of
> $2 million? Do all rookies contracts on a team have to TOTAL
> less than $2 million over the entire life of the contract
> (doesn't seem possible) or $2 million a year?
>

And does this include only the rookies drafted, or does it include free
agents?


Tom Wolf
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:19:01 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
Distribution: usa
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 >Well, think about this: Emmitt gets stopped.  Or worse, Emmitt gets injured
 >in practice.  Your future is in Aikman's hands.  Ha, ha.
 
Pretty sad when you have to hope someone gets hurt so your
team has a chance...Not to mention we DO have backup running backs,
okay theres only one Emmitt, but we do have backups.
Tommy Agee 
Rickey Blake
Derrick Gainer
and at FB Daryl "Moose" Johnston

tim
From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Axe Falls in Chicago....
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:45:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

Just a few minutes ago,  Bears President Mike McCaskey fired Coach
Mike Ditka after 11 years as head coach.  

Ditka will stay on 1 year as a "consultant" because he had 1 year left
on his contract.  No word on a successor.  


IMHO,  they fired the wrong guy.  McCaskey should walk.  

---
Andy Knipp                    |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |

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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:06:43 GMT

In article <1ihgokINNr08@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>In article <cfGynPW00WDKM3Omwb@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 6-Jan-93 Re: My NFL
> >Playoff Predictions 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (2408)  
>
> >the "shitty" teams they played. SF, Washington and Dallas all lost to 
> >Phoenix (SD beat Phoenix), Miami and Buffalo lost to Indianapolis (SD
>
>BUZZZZZZT ! wrong
>The Cowboys swept the Cards this year.
>
>By the way, could someone post Steve Young's NFL playoff record ?
>
He has appeared in 8 NFL playoff games (all with SF) as a backup.
He has never started a NFL playoff game.  He is 17-24 with 1 TD
and 1 INT.  Back with the USFL (1983/1984) he started 2 games
and had kink of lousy numbers in losing efforts (can't recall
the numbers though).
>Thanks
>tim
>Go Big D !!!
>
>
>


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From: skgalich@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:02:21 GMT

talk about a dream!!!!!   Hail to the Redskins!
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jim Kelly?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:57:07 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan8.161105.25737@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.172233.26204@state.systems.sa.gov.au> gcsbagc@state.systems.sa.gov.au writes:
>>Can anyone tell me whether Jim Kelly will play again this year?  We don't get a lot
>>of NFL coverage in this part of the world.  Thanks. 
>
>>
>Since Kelly is not scheduled to start AND they will LOSE,
>NO. He will play THIS year though, but NEXT football season. :-)
>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Remember, the fat lady hasn't sung yet.
Don't embarrass yourself two weeks in a row.
Anyways, if the Bills should lose and Dan Marino gets injured before the
Pro Bowl, then Jimbo will play again this year, in Hawaii.
--Jim
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to enter the draft
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:15:16 GMT

>Oz
>

Smith is a sophomore, at least in eligability, because he skipped last year.  I
think it was a big mistake to come out this early and he'll probably be slow to
develop in the NFL.

Paul
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: FRUSTRATION LIST .... (REVISED)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:01:28 GMT

sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>C) HAVE NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME (NEVER BEEN TO A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP)

I have no argument with young Sivaram (he doesn't know an NFL
statbook from a hole in the ground) but I'll ask the knowledgeable
fans:

What about the Cardinals?

According to the data in wuarchive.wustl.edu, St. Louis was 0-3 in
playoff games since 1969 (the years were 74, 75 and the strike season
of 82).  Phoenix, of course, never came close to the post season.
Before the superbowl era, all I could find were two NFL championship
games by the Chicago Cardinals: an 0-7 loss in 1947 and a 28-21 win in
1946, both against the Philadelphia Eagles.

So, is that really the sum total?  1-5 lifetime, 0-4 since 1947?


--Gidi


P.S.  The K.C. Chiefs never played in a *conference* championship
game, but they were 3-0 in AFL championship games (including the one
as the Dallas Texans, that is).



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Reality check - Dallas also has the most playoff loses - not Denver, not
Houston, not Cleveland.

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From: drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr)
Subject: Re: Fat lady is singing
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:09:17 GMT

In article <schnitzi.726688903@eola.cs.ucf.edu>, schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
> Uh oh... The Eagles just went up 3-0.  I can hear the fat lady warming
> up her voice...
> 
> mark

huh hmmmmmm.....I don't think so.  She must have hit a sour note.

Go Dallas


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