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From: Peter_B._Linde@bmug.org
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 01:18:23 CDT
Subject: SYQUEST 88 FOR SALE

i have a syquest 88 meg cartridge drive for sale.  i would like to sell the 6 
88 meg cartridges that i have with it.  i have no idea what it's worth, so if
you want to make an offer i promise to respond.  if i like your offer, the drive
et al is yours.  if i think it is absurdly low, i will make fun of you.

the drive has seen little use (used once a day to back up a 20 meg file for
about 6 months).

i'm in the bay area in case that's a consideration. (you pay shipping unless i
really like your price.)

please respond to me directly, as i may not check this conference daily. 
thanks.

peter b. linde

internet:  peter_b._linde@bmug.org

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From: Peter_B._Linde@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:46:59 PST
Subject: SYQUEST 88 FOR SALE
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From: davidh@swallow.ims.com
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:46:05 CDT
Subject: fax software

I recieved a practical per. modem for christmas unfortunately it only had pc
fax software with it. If any knows where I can get a cheap comercial or a
shareware package that will send and recieve faxes please post or E-mail me
about it.

Thanks,

David
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From: davidh@swallow.ims.com (David Hartman)
Subject: fax software
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Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:33:46 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg  {66642 CF/DEV})
Subject: Re: Need pinouts for old Mac512 modem cable
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:44:44 CST

In article <1993Jan1.174821.14819@cactus.org> ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega) writes:
>After Office Depot and Bizmart's failure to stock or special
>order this item, I am forced to build one myself.
>
>Does anyone have the pinouts of the Mac512 (DB9 port) to
>Hayes modem cable?
>
>BTW, it has been weeks since I mailed a customer complaint
>card to Office Depot and Bizmart and I have yet to hear
>from either.  Apparently, the cards go straight into the
>waste-basket.
>
>Support your locally-owned office supply stores.
>Boycott Office Depot and Bizmart.
>-- 
>Paul Ortega                 |  "While looking for the men's room,
>2015 Cedar Bend Dr., #1105  |   VP Dan Quayle stepped into the Quantum
>Austin, TX 78758            |   Leap Accelerator and vanished....."
>ortega@cactus.org            ---------------------------------------

This is an unrealistic attitude.

How do you think those stores keep their prices so low? They only stock
items that they can push through in high volumes. I have not done any
market research, but my intuition tells me that cables for a Mac512 are 
not in huge demand right now.

Shop at Bizmart for high-volume items, and elsewhere for specialty items.

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From: nextug@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Looking For a Powerbook
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:19:09 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I'm looking for an inexpensive Mac Powerbook either used (140,
145, 170 -- even a 100 if the price was attractive enough) or
else new (160). Anyone out there have any or else know of 
places where machines are being sold at discount? If so please
drop me a line via EMail (I don't regularly read this newsgroup.
Thanks very much!
	Christopher Majka
	Dalhousie University
	nextug@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.unix.aux
From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: SUM: How to get MacX (In English)
Organization: DSC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:58:22 GMT

In article <1410@sevax1.cse.canon.co.jp>, atinoue@sevax1.cse.canon.co.jp (Atsushi Inoue) writes:
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Tank you all of you sent me e-mail for my question about
> X-server program on Mac. I have received several replies.
> Here is summary.
> 
> 1.how to get MacX
> 	MacX is bundled with AU/X 3.0 but also sold separetly.
> 	Suggested retail price is $239.00 in USA.
> 	MacX can be ordered through Apple dealer in USA.
> 	Call the Apple catalog, 1-800-795-1000 or (800) 554-5999.

In case anyone is interested, MacX is also bundled with PathWorks for
Macintosh.

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Subject: Need TCP for SCSI 2 Ethernet Box
From: <AI4CPHYW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 10 Jan 1993 16:11:08 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

The Mac IIci that I use at work is connected to our ethernet backbone
via an Asante EN/SC (that is one of those ethernet interfaces that
connects to the Mac via its SCSI port rather than a bus slot.)  I
am looking for a Telnet and/or FTP package like NCSA Telnet that can
"see" this type of ethernet interface (NCSA Telnet can't).

If you have any suggestions or know of a package (or init that'll redirect
the data to the proper place) please let me know.  Thanks
                      -Alec D. Isaacson
                       AI4CPHYW @ miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
                       isaacson @ rogue.acs.muohio.edu (NeXt Mail)
                       Miami University, Oxford, OH
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu (Matthew Merkelson)
Subject: Connection Problem at Bootup
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:24:18 GMT

	A few weeks ago, a user of one of the Mac's here connected
to another through the chooser and did something. Now everytime the
Mac is rebooted, it asks to connect to the second Mac. I've tried
completeing the connection and then throwing out the other Mac's
icon off the desktop. I've switched to localtalk and then back to ethertalk.
I've tried cancelling the connection. It keeps happening. And now when I
cancel the connection, I get an "unknown application has quit because of
error 33" message and After Dark freezes up.

Help please.

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From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:28:27 GMT

tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel) writes:

>ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:

>> As far as I know, I don't think Apple is limiting pre-emptiveness to the
>> PowerPC Macs.  There will be a preempting multitasking system for both lines.

>There already is one for many 68k Macs.

I assume you are talking about A/UX.  We were discussing "main" operating
systems, I think.  Like those that will come with computers as standard. 
A/UX is a pricey addition for those who want UNIX, and I believe normal
Mac applications run slower under A/UX than they do in the normal Mac OS.  

Random question: how do you pronounce A/UX.
-- 
               -  Ishir Bhan -  ibhan@husc.harvard.edu  - 
                                     - - - 
           "The sky and the impossible explode..." -The Cure
From: jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:25:38 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System [BBS]

tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel) write:

I think this is just a little bit of an exageration, now isn't it?  I
don't think a Mac Classic ever cost $4000, they sell for under US$900
[more]
 
here, if you can find one.  Also, I have yet to see a '486 with 500MB
of hard drive for US$2000.  Mind you, I've seen one with 100MB for this
price.
 
In any case, despite what you claim, Apple's low end machines seem to
be selling incredibly well.  Just look at the success of the Performa
line.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OK.  There may have been a little exageration in my message, but us as 
Macusers are on the short end of the stick, there are only 11 million 
macs out there (Tops) as opposed to around 85 million PC's!  We as the 
smaller computer personage constantly need to compare our machines to the 
machines in the DOS world, in price, compatibility, and yes POWER.  I 
recently heard that Byte or whatever did a workstation comparison and 
used the Quadra 900 in the testing.  Not a 486DX etc, but a Q 900, this 
says to me that we are becoming more and more powerful.  I find specs 
like this fascinating, as well as the comparison of Mac's to IBMs in 
power.


---
jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk)
The Draco Unix System [BBS]

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: mmunoz@vxcrna.cern.ch (MUNOZ,MARC./DG)
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:25:00 GMT

In article <FPu3wB1w165w@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca>, jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk) writes...
>tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel) write:
> 
>I think this is just a little bit of an exageration, now isn't it?  I
>don't think a Mac Classic ever cost $4000, they sell for under US$900
>[more]
> 
>here, if you can find one.  Also, I have yet to see a '486 with 500MB
>of hard drive for US$2000.  Mind you, I've seen one with 100MB for this
>price.
> 
>In any case, despite what you claim, Apple's low end machines seem to
>be selling incredibly well.  Just look at the success of the Performa
>line.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>OK.  There may have been a little exageration in my message, but us as 
>Macusers are on the short end of the stick, there are only 11 million 
>macs out there (Tops) as opposed to around 85 million PC's!  We as the 
>smaller computer personage constantly need to compare our machines to the 
>machines in the DOS world, in price, compatibility, and yes POWER.  I 
>recently heard that Byte or whatever did a workstation comparison and 
>used the Quadra 900 in the testing.  Not a 486DX etc, but a Q 900, this 
>says to me that we are becoming more and more powerful.  I find specs 
>like this fascinating, as well as the comparison of Mac's to IBMs in 
>power.
Was in Nov. BYTE. They compared a Quadra 900, a Compaq 486DX and several U**X
workstations (Iris Indidgo, DECstation 5000/120, a Sun, an HP/Apollo,NeXT and 
a IBM-RS????) for CAD purpouses and DTP. Very interesting article. The Mac was 
second for DTP, the Compaq second for CAD.
MArc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: aa443@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Szarek)
Subject: Wanted Products (innovation) 
Reply-To: aa443@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Szarek)
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:36:24 GMT






One interface uses
the human eye to control object projected onto a shinny surface.
The surface uses lasers mounted in a helmet to read spacial
displacement of light bouncing off the eye. 

In english: a machine reads your eyeball to move stuff in a holograph 3D
space projection matrix. 

One
problem is that the only color that works is red (light and dark) and the
user has problems getting used to projected object bouncing off the
surface. Red for detecting retina movements. I would like to see the system
software to control this interface. I'm having headaches trying to play/code
something that simply simulates it. I hear Xerox is working on
something similar. Any insites ?

Rob Szarek
Land Software Engineering Centre

-- 
Robert A. Szarek
NCF/National Capitol Freenet
Ottawa, Canada
aa443@freenet.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: OCE
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:03:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.020830.359@iti.gov.sg>, jinho@iti.gov.sg (Tan Jin Ho)
writes:
>Just what exactly is OCE ? What does OCE include ? Is it correct to
>call it 'Windows for Workgroup for the MacOS' ? If not, what more can it
>do ? 
>
>Also, why the word 'Open' ? Does it mean that third-party
>developers can replace parts of OCE ? Or does it mean that OCE conforms
>to some standards (duh... does it interoperate with OSF DCE ?).

'Open' here means exactly what it means when IBM/DEC/UNIX retailers use
it---it has something to do with networks to non-made-by-us-machines in
some fuzzy way and not much else. If you take it to mean anything more than
that, you really ought to learn about marketingSpeak soon.

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: Masticating Illini
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:20:09 GMT

ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:

> As far as I know, I don't think Apple is limiting pre-emptiveness to the
> PowerPC Macs.  There will be a preempting multitasking system for both lines.

There already is one for many 68k Macs.
-- 
Thomas Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  "Familiarity breeds contempt--and children."  -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:23:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.081420.9450@cubetech.com>, andrew@cubetech.com wrote:
> 
> *******I have never, ever, heard a single argument as to why a
> *kernel* that Larry Rosenstein would call "Object-Oriented" (i.e.

That wouldn't be my defintion of an Object-Oriented kernel.  My definition
is one in which the O/S services are presents with an OO programmers
interface.  You're absolutely right that it doesn't matter what the
implementation language or methodology is.

But having an OO programmers interface at down to the O/S level gives the
systems programmer the same advantages that an application framework gives
the applications developer.

> Before you do this, note that for writing device-drivers and other
> very low level things, NeXT has "DriverKit," which is an OO device
> driver building kit.

And they also have a Mach Kit in 3.0.  These are examples of what I would
call an OO O/S.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:14:04 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Who cares about performance and benchmarks... You all sound like
"My father is bigger and stronger than yours"
"My car is faster than yours"
"My Apple ][+ is better than your Vic-20, Com64, IBM PC, etc..."

Once again... who cares about thoses lines... The real best
computer is the one you feel better with. It's the one that make
you do what you want to do the way you want it.

I rest my case.

Back to you Brad...

RIchard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:50:08 GMT

aron@noproblem.uchicago.edu (Aaron L. Bratcher) writes:
>Check your facts. Neither platform provides memory protection. Windows NT  
>is supposed to provide this, and Apple is working on a microkernel that  
>will provide memory protection, preemptive multi-tasking and threading.
WRONG. Here is the relevent sections from my Mac & IBM info article
(Avalable anonymous ftp on sumex-aim.stanford.edu(36.44.0.6) in the
/info-mac/report directory as mac-ibm-compare.txt)
...
IBM     ALU  Registers    External    cache    Features/
CPU                     bus  address           Notes
 8088   16      16       8     20      ?      {197?-1989}
 8086   16      16      16     20      ?      {197?-1989}
80286   16      16      16     24      ?      Protected Mode & segmenting
80386   32      32      32     32      ?      MMU & 32-bit Protected Mode 
486sx   32      32      32     32    one 8K?  80486 - FPU
80486   32      32      32     32    one 8K   80386 & FPU
...
286        ~ 68020 {286's hardware segmenting vs. 68020's 32-bit ALU and the 
fact that both these chips come before their MMU [80386, 68030] successors.  
The protected mode of the hardware segmenting is used by OS/2 1.0 though 1.3 
and Windows 3.X. The use of the hardware segmenting and its 16-bit nature put 
the 286 between the 60000 and 68030 in features.  Side note: 286 is almost 
gone as a CPU.}

386       ~ 68030 {The MMUs, protected memory, and 32-bit nature of these 
chips puts them roughly together.  AU/X 3.0 is at present the only Mac OS to 
use the protected memory feature of the 68030.}
...
So both platforms DO provide memory protection {though it may not be
implimented intellegently} my sources are in the article in the special
thanks to section.
From: paul@netsys.com
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Reply-To: paul@netsys.com
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:38:37 GMT

In article <C0MLvC.Atv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron  
Insel) writes:

> Yes, the hardware does support memory protection, preemptive  
multitasking, 
> and other nifty things, as witnessed by A/UX for the Mac and various 
> Unicies available for the PC.  The point is, neither platform discussed
> (Windows and Mac OS) actually support these features.


My point exactly.

Neither platform (Mac OS and Windows 3.x) provides memory protection, i.e.  
ALL applications are protected from each other. Windows 3.x may use the  
8086 emulation, but this is not memory protection in the sense of what is  
usually discussed when talking about memory protection. Windows NT is  
supposed to provide memory protection, and Apple is working on a  
microkernel that will provide memory protection, preemptive multi-tasking  
and threading.


-- Aaron L. Bratcher
From: pink@Rosie.UH.EDU (Pink is Slack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Mac as X Terminal
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: pink@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

I'm looking to move my company into recommending that our clients use
macs as their X terminals... if I can show that our product works better
with them than with the funky emulation we are getting from PC based 
X terminal emulators.  I have heard mumblings about something from
Apple called MacX.  Is it out?  Is it good?  Anyone using your macs to do
X out there?
 
Please give me a clue....

Thanks!
--
   /\     '       Pink@Jetson.UH.edu          Box 66231 Houston 77266-6231      
  /_/.    `                          
 /  //\/< '  Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. --Lennon

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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Mac & IBM Info-Version 1.0
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:15:04 GMT
comp.sys.mac.advocacy:3844 comp.sys.mac.hardware:42413
comp.sys.mac.system:26957 comp.sys.mac.misc:39537
From: jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:36:29 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System [BBS]

ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:

> jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk) writes:
> 
> >The current System Software version (7.x) does not allow each program a 
> >certain amount of time with the processer.  The time that background 
> >programs can get for processing comes when a foreground program calls an 
> >OSevent, which allwos background programs do to their stuff.  PowerMac/PC 
> >and their OS will allow pre-emptive (verses the macs current 
> >non-pre-emptive) multitasking.  This will be OS level Multitasking where 
> >all programs are given a certain amount of CPU time.  The OS will also be 
> >based on a Kernal, which means that if one application crashes, it should 
> >not bring down the entire system.
> 
> As far as I know, I don't think Apple is limiting pre-emptiveness to the
> PowerPC Macs.  There will be a preempting multitasking system for both lines.
> -- 
>                -  Ishir Bhan -  ibhan@husc.harvard.edu  - 
>                                      - - - 
>            "The sky and the impossible explode..." -The Cure

Actually I guess, Apple is making a version of Pink or whatever you want 
to call the PowerPC OS for the Mca too.  Although it probably won't run 
on my Classic,I guess I'll jsut have to continue saving for a PowerPC..
Or PowrMac


---
jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk)
The Draco Unix System [BBS]

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: Masticating Illini, Urbana Illinois
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:54:47 GMT

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

> aron@noproblem.uchicago.edu (Aaron L. Bratcher) writes:
> >Check your facts. Neither platform provides memory protection. Windows NT  
> >is supposed to provide this, and Apple is working on a microkernel that  
> >will provide memory protection, preemptive multi-tasking and threading.

> WRONG. Here is the relevent sections from my Mac & IBM info article
> (Avalable anonymous ftp on sumex-aim.stanford.edu(36.44.0.6) in the
> /info-mac/report directory as mac-ibm-compare.txt)

>[..]

> So both platforms DO provide memory protection {though it may not be
> implimented intellegently} my sources are in the article in the special
> thanks to section.

Yes, the hardware does support memory protection, preemptive multitasking, 
and other nifty things, as witnessed by A/UX for the Mac and various 
Unicies available for the PC.  The point is, neither platform discussed
(Windows and Mac OS) actually support these features.
-- 
Thomas Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  ok, uiuc pays me, but that doesn't mean this is anyone's opinion but mine.
From: david.n.wallace@p21.f804.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (David N Wallace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: VCR-Plus
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:31:32 GMT

Original to: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu
tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith), via Kralizec 3:713/602
  tu> 
  tu> The funny thing about people who complain about how only fools would
  tu> use something like a VCR-Plus is that they never discover the
  tu> advantages of it.  Just because I know how to program my VCR, doesn't
  tu> mean that I don't find a VCR-Plus useful.
  tu> 
  tu> Here are some of the advantages it has:
 [deleted]

Can someone please tell a lonely backwater Australian Mac user what VCR-Plus
is??

Regs.

DNW 
--- MacWoof Eval:23Sep92
 * Origin: The Point is Beyond the Horizon - Sth.Aust. (3:800/804.21)