HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: (F) Fish Giving Birth!!! Agghhhh!!!!
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:06:31 GMT

steven mancini (mancinis@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Helllllllppppppp!!!!!!!!!

Stop yelling, or I'll send you to your room.
 
: 	3 Silver Mollies into it about 2 months ago, now one of them
: 	has given birth, not sure about 7-10. (agggh). My question
: 	is NOW WHAT DO I DO?!?!?!?!?!!!  I don't think they can survive
: 	in the large tank, hell they are so small they look like the under
: 	UGF will suck them up. Advice someone, anyone???
: 	Do I buy them a separate tank?

I suspect that they will be fine in your tank.  Mollies are great
algae eaters, and I suspect that your 55g tank has enough algae
for 7-10 molly fry.  The big danger is that they will be eaten.
Especially if you have relatively little vegetation for them
to hide in.  What other fish are in hte tank?  If you are dead-
set on having the fry not get eaten, then you probably do want a
separate tank for them.  One of those plastic 2.5 tanks with a
sponge filger would be sufficient.  Ask a molly expert what to
feed the fry - my guess would be veg. flakes, spinach and brine
shrimp nauplii (all in small amounts), but I've never owned a molly.

: 	I have seen several "Birth Tanks" or whatever you wih to call
: 	them. Which is good? These buggers look so small they'd fall
: 	through the bottom slits!!!

Don't be silly - those are for putting mom fish into.  She drops the
fry, the fry <supposedly> fall through the cracks, and mom can't then
eat them.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria
From: jmartine@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Martinez)
Subject: Re: new alt.cichlid newsgroup
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 03:31:56 GMT

Shouldn't it be alt.aquaria.cichlid?

-- 
Joe Martinez  (jmartine@nike.calpoly.edu)
"If a man is considered guilty for what goes on in his mind, give me the
 electric chair for all my future crimes."
                                             -Prince       
Xref: sparky alt.aquaria:5722 rec.aquaria:8724 sci.aquaria:1619 alt.config:6745
From: biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria,alt.config
Subject: Re: new alt.cichlid newsgroup
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:29:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

[sarcasm on]

Well, let's see... We've now mooted suggestions for several 
new groups foo.aquaria.bar, where foo is {sci, alt, rec} and 
bar is {cichlid, marine, salt, reef, why.do.my.fish.have.funny.
white.spots}. That totals 3*5=15 new groups.

The last time the *.aquaria configuration was fought out (three
years ago, Oleg?), the greatest flame war in USENET history 
erupted. And that was only to create the existing three groups!
We could probably destroy the entire human race several times
over with an even bigger, better attempt to reconfigure *.aquaria.

On second thought, let's just read our FAQ's and leave it well
enough alone for the duration of this millenium. The groups are
crowded, but not that badly.
 
And we can let the Navy and Air Force handle strategic deterrence.

[sarcasm off]
 
Xref: sparky alt.aquaria:5740 rec.aquaria:8754 sci.aquaria:1628 alt.config:6763
From: jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria,alt.config
Subject: Re: new alt.cichlid newsgroup
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:32:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: bagend.1992Nov10.003230.19943
Organization: This space for rent.

Just say NO.

APARKER@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>If you'd like to see such a group established, you could post your
>feelings on alt.config.  Thanks,

You can also post your feelings *against* such a group.

It is bad enough having 3 aquaria groups now.  Where is the burning
need for another one?  If you want to talk about cichlids, come talk
about them.  I would be glad to see it.  I have not seen anyone asking
any cichlidiots to take their discussion somewhere else.  Sure, there
are a few self-proclaimed god's gift to aquaria stalking around here
who might not want a lot of cichlid traffic but, hey, tuff detritus.

No new aquaria group, please.
-- 
Jan Isley   jan@bagend.uucp   gatech.edu!bagend!jan   (404)434-1335
Xref: sparky alt.aquaria:5690 rec.aquaria:8690 sci.aquaria:1596
From: ancona@parker.WPI.EDU (James P Ancona)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: (M) (R) Invertebrate Book Suggestions?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:15:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.wpi.edu
Summary: Any good invert books??
Keywords: invertebrate marine reef book

I'm working on my Christmas wish list and I'd like to get a good book on
tropical marine invertebrates.  I'd like it to have information on identi-
fication (with pictures), recommendations on which species are easy to keep,
and information on what the requirements are for keep the various organisms.

So far, the best book I've seen is Heywood & Wells, Manual of Marine Inverte-
brates from Tetra.  Any suggestions and comments would be appreciated.

Thanks!

(My apologies if this is a repeat. I don't think my first posting made it
out...)
-- 
Jim Ancona                       |   I used to get disgusted,
ancona@wpi.wpi.edu               |      Now I try to be amused...
Opinions expressed are my own!   |         -- Elvis Costello
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: tnnguyen@tera.cs.umn.edu (Trung N. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: (F) Chemicals, Plants, Fertilizer and Fish
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:31:37 GMT

In article <92311.105900JAL127@psuvm.psu.edu> <JAL127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I would say that your pleco is not the one eating your youngshoots,but it is th
>e festivim(s). when i used to keep them my heavily planted 29gal. tank, i would
> come in to find them taking small bites from the newgrouth of some of plants.
> In my experience i have never seen my plecos eat any plant except algae.
>
Can anyone confirm this (that plecos only eat algae)?  When I went to a pet
store to buy a plecos, the person who works there suggest that I get an octos
instead.  She said that it does less damage to the plant than a plecos.  Also,
a plecos can grow to about a foot in length, which is way too large for my
tank.

				Trung
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From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Blind Cave Tetras (Astyanax fasciatus mexicanus)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:39:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov09.055914.173085@zeus.calpoly.edu> jmartine@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Martinez) writes:
>It seems to me that since these don't seem to be too common, they might
>be a good thing to breed.

They are not common because they are not colourful and lack the novelty of
the albino species.  They are said to not do well in community tanks.

>Do they breed easily? 

Yes, according to what I have read.

>It seems like it would be sort of difficult for them
>to find another fish of the same species, and opposite sex, without eyes!

First of all, there are no other fish in their habitat.  They are the
only fish species in the few Mexican subterranian lakes they inhabit.
Keep in mind that sight is not necessarily that important to the fresh
water fish.  They can "see" their surroundings by sensing with their
lateral lines and other nerve receptors the reflections of the waves
they create through their motion.  They can detect food by smelling or
tasting it.  These fish will eat most animal matter.  Given their habitat,
they probably eat mostly insects, spiders, dead bats and whatever else falls
into the water.

Books recommend their tank to be spacious, with numerous rocks with
cave-like opennings, yet with a lot of swimming space (these fish are far
more active than most tetras and continually roam near the bottom of the
tank).  The water be as clean as possible.  The substrate should be 
sand, coral sand, chalky stone, marble chips or dust.  Frequent water
changes are suggested, but filtration and aeration are said to not be
necessary.  Decore other than rocks (i.e plants, wood, etc.) are
contraindicated because they will detract from the "natural" look of the
fishes' habitat.  The tank can be lit, but the fish look better in subdued 
lighting. 

By the way, the fry have eyes for a little while, but the eyes disappear as
the fish mature.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: Harmless worm...
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:59:21 GMT


>The best scavenger/worm eater for an aggressive tank like this
>is a long-nosed (or horse-faced) loach - Acanthopsis
>choirorhynchus.

Great! Thank you... I'll look it up when I get home.  Then I'll see where I
might find one...

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: flick@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Anderson)
Subject: Good hardy plants...
Keywords: plant
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:52:56 GMT

Does anyone know of some really hardy aquarium plants for a freshwater tank?
I have been using Java Fern for quite a while with no complaints.  Also, my
Amazon Sword is growing nicely.  Any other suggestions?
 

--
|  John Anderson                      | The views express are usually my  |
|  U. of Nebraska at Omaha            | own, and occasionally someone     |
|  Omaha, Nebraska, USA               | other than myself...but they are  |
|  Internet: flick@cwis.unomaha.edu   | usually %100 correct!             |
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Re: (F) Chemicals, Plants, Fertilizer and Fish
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:19:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.173137.10996@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
tnnguyen@tera.cs.umn.edu (Trung N. Nguyen) writes:

> Can anyone confirm this (that plecos only eat algae)? > 
> 

My pleco sure does. It doesn't bother mature leaves, but it loves to  
scrape newly emerged leaves. Because of this most of my plants only last  
until they run out of the leaves they had when I bought them. But maybe he  
is really hungry. We have had him two years and he really hasn't grown  
very much. 
		
----------------------------------------------------------
Robin 
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky)
Subject: Re: (F) Chemicals, Plants, Fertilizer and Fish
Keywords: tap water
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:24:25 GMT

In article <5749@tivoli.UUCP> steveb@tivoli.UUCP (Steve Benz) writes:
>
>Light was and is my number-1 bugaboo.  In my tall, hexagonal tank, I had

It took me a while to figure out what plants needed in the way of light
as well.

>One other thing which I can't quite decide is a factor or not is gravel.
>I've theorized that fine-grained gravel (such as blasting sand) is better
>than pea-sized gravel...  My evidence is largely that the 20L has blasting

I have heard the oposite from other people.  I don't know if gravel size
is a factor.

>Then there's a lesson which took a long time to sink in -- Pleco's eat
>leaves.  However, I'm not sure what sort of suckerfish doesn't.  In my

I have not found this to be the case, but I have limited my species to
Ancistrus (sp??, Bristle nose) and Pekoltia (Clown Pleco).  I notice
that they do eat decaying leaf material,  They will strip the dead spost
out of older leaves (those that need to be trimed off anyway).  I also
keep a very low population per tank (ie: 1 5" Ancistrus, 1 4" Pekoltia
in a 65 Gal tank).

>smaller tank where the plants are doing well, I have an oteocinclus (sp?)
>however since I got him somebody decided to eat some of the small runners
>growing from some species of grass whos name escapes me at the moment...

I also have one Otocinclus in my 65 to clean upt the upper regions of
the tank.  I have never had a problem losing runners on any plants.
>
>My most pressing concern, and the thing that strikes me as most different
>between Otto's experience and mine is that plants bought from stores
>are almost always in bad condition...  In fact, they seem to arrive at

Yup, this is usually the case unless you happen to find a very good
store.  I get most of my plants through my local club and from other
area plant enthusiasts I have found.


I actually plan to set up a test area to check out some of the theories
floating around as to what is good and bad for plants.  So often we see
a whole group of different variables being changed at once so it is
difficult to tell if it is really gravel size or light or...
-- 
     ||  // // ,'/~~\'   Fred Kratky		fred@mks.com 
    /||/// //|' `\\\     Mortice Kern Systems Inc.     (519) 884-2251
   / | //_// ||\___/     35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ont., Can. N2J 2W9
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: getting the FAQ
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:21:15 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York



where can i get the FAQ or can someone send it to me?


jason
Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm
From: mikee@seas.gwu.edu (Mike Me)
Subject: Need help with INT 21 ah=4b
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:00:07 GMT

Hi people, I need a little help with the following:

If a program uses INT 21 / ah=4b al = 00

it load and executes that code.

I want to change the command to INT 21 / ah=4b al=01
 This way it will only load, but not execute the code.

now HOW the ??? do I set my registers and use a JMP to the
location at the beginning of the code?

I do get the starting ip back, just none of the seqment & stack info
etc.


I REALLY!!! apreciate the help,

	Thanx,
		MikeE



Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm
From: hith@rz.tu-clausthal.de (Torsten Harling)
Subject: Re: Need help with INT 21 ah=4b
Reply-To: hith@rz.tu-clausthal.de
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU Clausthal
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:20:03 GMT

Ok, ES and DS are to be set to the current PSP (after int 21 / ax=4b01).
You will get this by undocumented int 21 / ah=51 (R: bx=PSP Segment) or by
a documented int 21 / ah=62.

I once wrote a debugger and I used the following datas for the
parameter table for int 21 / ax=4b01 (BX=offset parms):

parms   dw      0       ; Environment Segment (0 = own environment)
        dw      ParStr  ; String at offset 80
        dw      0       ; Segment for ParStr (is set to CS on run-time)
        dw      5ch     ; Pointer to first FCB
        dw      0       ; Segment for first FCB (is set to CS on run-time)
        dw      6ch     ; Pointer to second FCB
        dw      0       ; Segment for second FCB  (is set to CS on run-time)
spback  dw      ?       ; Values returned by function 4b01h
ssback  dw      ?
ipback  dw      ?
csback  dw      ?

I think you can see the values for SS, CS and IP. The value for ax is stored
at address ssback:spback, so you have to add 2 to SP before calling the code.

The value for ax is correct only, if you set the FCB fields in the above table
correctly.

You can set the other registers to zero.


---
Torsten Harling
(hith@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de)

Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm
From: sfought@mcs213j.cs.umr.edu (Shane Fought)
Subject: 80X86 assembly
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

     I am going to start learning assembler.  I was wondering what would be a 
good book to learn assembler from, and what would be a good book to learn 
assembly graphics control, ie bitmap graphics etc.  If you know of any good
help books on these topics please e-mail me at...
s112252@umrvma.umr.edu

Thanks in advance...

Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.pascal,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
From: sl14@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Stephen Lee)
Subject: Re: LASTDRIVE function/asm/ect... Need one!
Organization: Fantasy Zone Ithaca, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:30:52 GMT

>>>>In article <1992Nov8.081922.15576@ra.msstate.edu> jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf) writes:
>>>>>Howdy,
>>>>>
>>>>>	As the subject says, I'm looking for some references on how to find
>>>>>the LASTDRIVE on a particular system.

The book _Undocumenated DOS_ have a discussion on that;  I don't have
the book handy but try to see if you can find it.  It's by the same
people who worked on the interrupt lists.

Stephen
--
Stephen Lee
Internet: sl14@crux2.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm
From: jt@fuw.edu.pl (Jerzy Tarasiuk)
Subject: Re: Need help with INT 21 ah=4b
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:43:03 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:00:07 GMT, mikee@seas.gwu.edu (Mike Me) said:
Mike> Hi people, I need a little help with the following:
Mike> If a program uses INT 21 / ah=4b al = 00
Mike> it load and executes that code.
Mike> I want to change the command to INT 21 / ah=4b al=01
Mike>  This way it will only load, but not execute the code.
Mike> now HOW the ??? do I set my registers and use a JMP to the
Mike> location at the beginning of the code?
Mike> I do get the starting ip back, just none of the seqment & stack info
Mike> etc.

Can you specify what you need ? The Int 21h AX=4B01 is load-program-
-for-debugging: the program is not executed, instead you get its
initial SS:SP and CS:IP in extra 4 words after EXEC parameter table.

Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: 32-bit addressing
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:00:52 GMT

From article <corey.0e1y@amiganet.chi.il.us>, by corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney):
> how do i get a 80286 or above into 32-bit addressing mode?  can this be done
> from turbo debugger?
> 

	I believe the method in Turbo Assembler to put a 386+ into
32 bit addressing mode is to place

 .386

	On a line before you use 32 bit stuff (like reference EAX, EBX, etc).
As far as I know about the 286 architecture, there is no method for 
32 bit addressing.

(I've also never tried any of this stuff...It's just some of the
few interesting tidbits I picked up from reading various assembly books...)

TTYL
 Chris
From: corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm
Subject: 32-bit addressing
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:55:56 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

how do i get a 80286 or above into 32-bit addressing mode?  can this be done
from turbo debugger?

Thanks in advance

Corey

--------------------------------------------------------------------
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corey@amiganet.chi.il.us
I do not own a amiga!
Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.pascal,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
From: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: LASTDRIVE function/asm/ect... Need one!
Keywords: lastdrive
Organization: iX-Redaktion
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:36:40 GMT


In article <1992Nov8.081922.15576@ra.msstate.edu>, jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf) writes:
|> Howdy,
|> 
|> 	As the subject says, I'm looking for some references on how to find
|> the LASTDRIVE on a particular system. Something like a INTerrupt or source
|> code that will allow me to do this. I did my best to search an interrupt list
|> to come up with a solution to do this but no luck. For Example, My lastdrive
|> is G, I'd like to make a TP6.0 function called LASTDRIVE that would return
|> a byte value of 7 or so. If it's in Assembly, I can convert it, ect. 
|> 	A function to also tell me if the drive number is valid or not could
|> also prove useful. 
|> 	I know these types of things are done becuase PC-TOOLS and the like
|> figure it out and even find the correct drive type. 
|> 
|> Any info. is GREATLY appreciated,
|> John
|> 
|> 
|> --
|>  ____________   _------_  |||IBM & |      EE majors Do it Best 8-)
|>   --------\\ ] ~-______-~ |||Atari |~~~~~~~~~John D. Zitterkopf~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>      (~~~~~\\|_(__ ~~    / | \Rules!jdz1@ra.MsState.edu  jdz1@MsState.bitnet
|>       \______| (        /  |  \    |AOL: zitt@aol.com  jdz1@isis.MsState.edu 

The information can be found in Schulman's "Undocumented DOS".

-- 

|Dipl.-Ing. Harald Milz                   |    EMail:		hm@ix.de |
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Line drawing algorithm
Summary: Bresenham's Run-Length Slicing
Keywords: C, asm, graphics, line
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:10:37 GMT

In article <Bx4741.1p6@mach1.wlu.ca> sava4711@mach1.wlu.ca (ken savage u) writes:
>Re   : Line drawing algorithm
>
>I've posted this is comp.lang.c (or tried to), but a solution in .ASM is
>just as good with me!!  ...
>
>  Here's my problem:  I'm trying to find a fast line-drawing algorithm (in C)
>for VGA graphics mode.  The problem is not placing the pixel on the screen,
>but rather deciding WHERE to put it.  I've thought up of several ideas,
>given [...]

Well, besides the obvious "gee, look in a decent graphics book" type
answer...  You might like to pick up the current issue of Dr. Dobb's
Journal wherein Michael Abrash describe's a modification to Bresenham's
line drawing algorithm to make it even faster.  Unoptimized C code is given
in this issue and he promises that the next issue will contain more
discussion and a heavily optimized 80x86 assembly version.

Go wild,
	John
Newsgroups: alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.pascal,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
From: jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf)
Subject: LASTDRIVE function/asm/ect... Need one!
Keywords: lastdrive
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:19:22 GMT

Howdy,

	As the subject says, I'm looking for some references on how to find
the LASTDRIVE on a particular system. Something like a INTerrupt or source
code that will allow me to do this. I did my best to search an interrupt list
to come up with a solution to do this but no luck. For Example, My lastdrive
is G, I'd like to make a TP6.0 function called LASTDRIVE that would return
a byte value of 7 or so. If it's in Assembly, I can convert it, ect. 
	A function to also tell me if the drive number is valid or not could
also prove useful. 
	I know these types of things are done becuase PC-TOOLS and the like
figure it out and even find the correct drive type. 

Any info. is GREATLY appreciated,
John


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