HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: decwrl.dec.com
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:30:18 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
: Does anyone know the Subject line to send to the mail server to get
: instructions; also which directory contains Coh4.0 files... 
: 
: also, the address is ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com, correct?

The address is fine, but your commands *must* go into the message body,
and not into the subject! The command for the instructions is help.
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From: dtodd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (David M. Todd)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Separate usr file system?
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:39:59 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst


I'm about to install 4.01.  I'm just going to do a new installation
since I had to swap hard disks and handn't done a lot with 3.x that I
can't recreate.  A couple of questions:

1.  I'm mostly using Coherent to run a specific application and don't
plan on using it too extensively--is there any real point to setting up
a separate file system for usr files?

2.  I assume a "monochrome display adapter" includes Hercules?

3.  Do I want virtual consoles?  (I have 4 megs of RAM, so that's not a
problem; I do hope to upgrade to color one of these days).

Thanks.



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From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: two drives
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 02:41:37 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

I need to install Coherent on my 2and hard drive.
It is a Conner CP30104 120meg IDE drive.
I have a CMS 100 meg IDE as my C: D: and my Coherent paritition (33 megs)

I want to put Cohernet on my 2and HD and still boot off of my 1st one..

                       Bret Johnson

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Is backing up to tape supported? (possible FAQ)
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:23:07 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

davison@living.rutgers.edu (Brian D. Davison) writes:
: 
: Forgive me if this is a FAQ, but does Coherent 4.0 support backing up
: to tape?  If so, what tape drives does it work with?  If not, what

The device driver kit for Coherent 3.x comes with a driver for Archive
SC-400 streamer. It should also later be available with the 4.0
driver kit.

: does everyone use to back up their systems?  Please don't tell me
: floppies.  :-(

Sure, at the moment there is no other way.

: And, since I've got your attention, does Coherent support user disk
: quotas?

Yes, it comes with the quot command.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tbuck@teal.csn.org (Timothy E. Buchanan)
Subject: mail
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:50:53 GMT

My mail is coming in when I poll my host, but not going out. I 
think I know why, but not how to fix it.
 
I want all mail to be delivered to my smart-host to be placed on 
the net, so /usr/lib/mail/paths is
 
tbucks.com %s 0
smart-host csn!%s 0
 
/etc/uucpname is set tbucks, and /etc/domain is com.
 
I used the command mail tbuck@csn.org and generated these files in 
/usr/spool/uucp/csn
 
S D.tbucksa0153 D.tbucksa0153 root - D.tbucksa0153 0666
S D.tbucksX0152 X.tbucksX0152 root - D.tbucksX0152 0666
 
F D.tbucksa0153
I D.tbucksa0153
U root tbucks
R root
Z 
C rmail  
 
From root  Sat Aug 29 08:24:57 1992 remote from tbucks
Received: by tbucks.com (smail2.5.3-coh) id AA00106; 29 Aug 92 08:24:57 
Message-Id: <9208290824.AA103.V1.4@tbucks.com>
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:24:56
From: root@tbucks.com (Superuser)
To: tbuck@csn.org
Subject: test
 
test from tbucks.com.
 
      ------- Time is our only resource, humor our only defense. -------
 
It seems that the problem lies in the second file, the X file. 
Shouldn't line U say U root tbucks.com and shouldn't line C say
C rmail tbuck@csn.org  ?
 
I want all mail w/o a local address to go to csn and for csn to 
receive a full domain address. How do I write the paths and/or 
aliases files to do this?
 
Thanx much,
Timothy.
 

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mcampbel@eola.cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: Re: coh 4.0.1 / keyboards
Organization: University of Central Florida
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:19:42 GMT

fredex@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (Fred Smith) writes:
: In article <9208281259.AA06040@tekeur.TNE> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
: >I am having the smae problem as reported earlier after installing (updating)
: >to Coherent 4.0 with my keyboard.
: >
: >We all face the same problem, do we all have the same keyboard ??
: >
: >Who has a 'clone' keyboard that works well ?
: >
: >regards, antoon milatz, sun4nl!tekeur!antoonm

I'm using a clone as well, and I'm having the same problems.  Incidentally,
I worked on us.c, and got the ctrl to be ctrl, rather than caps, but
the caps is still ctrl, even though I followed the manual to a "T".

Does anyone have any way to determine what the 'code' a key puts out, so
these can be changed?
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jduncan@scott.skidmore.edu (john duncan)
Subject: prospective user:questions on sys...
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:12:11 GMT

All Coherent Users...
	I am thinking of buying the coherent system. I need to know
some stuff on the system. 
	Will it support graphics? if so, can it do VGA?
	Does it support networking such as Novell, IEEE Ethernet and
TCP/IP? 
	Will it run almost all proggys made for BSD-x and SCO?
	Will it run X effectively?
Thanks for your help, 
		jduncan@skidmore.edu
		9-2-92
From: albani@cadlab.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:06:57 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger) writes:
:When making suggestions, please remember that 3.x users must also
:be accomodated, so nn and tin are not feasible for them. I would think,
:however, if the binaries are small enough, installable disks could be
:built which could accomodate nn and tin for 4.0 users and alternate
:packages for 3.x users. I would prefer to not make Gnews available
:for consideration, but if enough of you press for it, I can be as spineless
:as any politician and change my position on this.
:
:To me, this seems simpler than watching the almost daily messages
:about what newsreaders to use and the problems of bringing up readers that
:worked under 3.x to 4.0 (from scratch) and could reduce traffic
:in this area. What do you think? Reply to this group or bob@mwc.com.

GREAT!

Assuming UUCP up and running... :-)

For 3.x: wmail, gnews or cnews, tass.

For 4.x: elm, cnews, nn or tin

In the future, if Coherent would support TCP/IP, I recommend (sp?) smail3.1
instead of smail2.5, to send mail over an Ethernet connection.

Those disks are a *WONDERFUL* material for COHware (with GNUware...).

Really, a shining idea in the *nix world!

Bye, Lanfranco still_waiting_my_4.x_upgrade Albani

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:08:11 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> >Over the past few days, I've concentrated mainly on wnews as both a 286 and
> >386 (with separate 2/386 binaries) distributable news package, with vn and
> >tass as the readers, with plans to delve into nn and tin as time permitted.
> >I will wait for a 4.0 specific cnews to come along before I look at that one.
> >I believe that there will plenty of room on a single floppy for all
> >of this, and that there will also be room for gnews.
>
> If it's true that wnews does not support feeding other sites, then I think
> a lot of people will have to try and install cnews for themselves.
>
> What do you mean, "I will wait for a 4.0 specific cnews to come along . . ."?
> Does this mean you're waiting for someone to port the performance release?

Simply put, yes. Remember, I working on an installable news disk on my own,
this has nothing to do with mwc. I've picked wnews as a starting point, but
I don't have the time to pour over cnews myself. From traffic I've read,
it will most likely be done before I even obtain the performance release
sources myself.

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: /etc/passwd security (was Re: Who are you?)
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:30:18 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
: In article <9208192320@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: >If this restricted shell is save I would use it for an
: >guest account, so that peoples which are interested at Coherent 4.0
: >could play a little bit with my system without the possibility to do
: >some damage.
: 
: No restricted shell is safe ... so either you trust your users to respect a
: locked door and go no further, or you depend upon their ignorance to not
: even know the door is locked in the first place.

The problem is not trusting users, with a guest account the problem is
that people which are not familar with Coherent may login and may made
some damage without knowing that.
The known users of cause respect some rules, because it's no problem
to remove their account ;-)
On the other side with a working more or less safe restricted shell
one can't do any meaningfull with the system, until I would also have
a restricted vi and so on, which doesn't spawns /bin/sh.
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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:23:32 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <12939@ztivax.UUCP> lauther@ztivax.siemens.com (Ulrich Lauther) writes:
>In article <9208230118.AA01558@eola.cs.ucf.edu> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>>In article <01GNV2FPK56A8ZE6H1@delphi.com> you write:
>>
>>This is your problem.  If you use a single '>', each screen.tar.Za? overwrites
>>the previous one.  You need to use *2*, like so:
>>
>>cat screen.tar.Za? >> screen.tar.Z
>>
>>This _appends_ rather than overwrites the screen.tar.Z file.
>
>Not in real UNIX. "cat" stands for con'cat'anate, i.e. it is supposed to
>paste all the input files together and to write them as one file onto the
>output. That's also what the Coherent lexicon says.

And Coherent cat works just like UNIX cat.

I have an internet account, but my method of getting sources from the
internet to rmkhome is:

1. ftp source file

2. uuencode source file

3. split uuencoded file into 64k sized pieces

4. mail the pieces to myself at rmkhome

5. edit the pieces to remove mail header and blank line at end of message

6. cat fileparts.xa? >filename.uue

7. uudecode filename.uue

8. etcetera

I've been doing this with Coherent since 3.1.0 without any problems.

And I've been doing it with UNIX for around 10 years.

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From: UUXQT.V3.2.23@UUNET.UU.NET
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: UUXQT remote execution status
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Command "rmail jay " failed.
	Status -11520 (0xD300)
Reason: Exit status not zero
From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: To update or install?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:57:27 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

Grant Edwards of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/1110.1
on <Aug 14 at 15:44>

 GE> From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
 GE> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
 GE> Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
 GE> Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)

 GE> I just recieved my 4.0 upgrade yesterday.  I'm now in the process of
 GE> backing up all of the disk partitions.  Should I clean out the
 GE> Coherent system partition and install from scratch or should I run the
 GE> update program?

 GE> If I install from scratch, I can restore stuff from my tar archive as
 GE> I need it.  Anybody have any problems with the upgrade installation
 GE> program?

  I have not gottin my copy in the mail yet! <SNAILMAIL>
  I tought I saw where you could but you needed to use ustar....

                       Bret Johnson

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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Source for FTP available?
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:06:23 GMT

charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:

>>wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu () writes:
>>
>>>Does anybody know where I can locate source code for FTP?  I am running
>>>Coherent 4.0 and it does not provide FTP.
>>
>>Let us know when you port it...
>>

>One should note, that you usually get what you pay for!

that is exactly what I think of Coherent.  If you want
real UNIX then buy real UNIX -- but if you take the cheap route -
then pay the price

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Installation failure
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:55:09 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Hi, everybody,
>
> now, I finally got my Coherent 4.0 :-) But the installation failed with
> the following error: fdisk: cannot open default devices
> This happend during the installation, after the install programm ask me
> about the master boot utility. Any ideas?
> My configuration: IBM PS/2 L40SX with <<NO>> Microchannel
>                   386SX-20, 8MB RAM, 60MB Connor IDE-Drive,
>                   VGA
>
> Any help is welcome....
>
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> Germany
>
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From: lauther@ztivax.UUCP (Dr Ulrich Lauther)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Success with Installing 4.0.1
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:09:39 GMT
Reply-To: lauther@ztivax.siemens.com (Ulrich Lauther)
Organization: Siemens, ZFE BT SE 14

In article <48980003@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> howard@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Howard Honig) writes:
>
>You've heard a lot about problems with installing Coherent 4.0.x on
>systems, but I thought I would share my experiences with you on what
>little problems I had.  This is just to get a little more balance in
>this notes group.
>
To continue with *positive* experiences:

Due to being overworked and under time pressure I accidentially deleted all
files (not directories) under /.
I was *very* impressed and pleased that I could just reinstall the system
within an hour or so without loosing all my user-files.
The only thing I lost were .profile (the loss of which I cold have avoided,
as I know now) and modified /etc/rc, /etc/termcap.

	-ulrich

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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: coh 4.0.1 / keyboards
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:58:30 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <9208281259.AA06040@tekeur.TNE> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>I am having the smae problem as reported earlier after installing (updating)
>to Coherent 4.0 with my keyboard.
>
>Although I have a CHERRY keyboard ( was tested OK according to the
>installation manual ) it swaps ths CTRL and ALT keys, the NUMLOCK is replaced
>by the ESCAPE key and I don't know where the capslock went...
>
>We all face the same problem, do we all have the same keyboard ??
>
>Who has a 'clone' keyboard that works well ?

I have a Northgate OmniKey/101 keyboard.  It works perfectly with Coherent 4.0
and virtual consoles.

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From: ringgold@netcom.com (Thomas Essex)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: coh 4.0.1 / keyboards
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:22:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


  I'm using a Tandy keyboard, and it doesn't seem to have any problems.

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Motto: PFP!!!  ;)
From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Hi All,
>
> I don't wish to start a war but I would be grateful for opinions concerning
> the most desirable news systems and news readers which are relatively
> easy to configure and run with Coherent 3.2; I'm saving up for a \486.
>

A personal 2 cents worth:

If a general consensus can be reached in comp.os.coherent about what the
prefered news package combo is, or perhaps a couple of prefered news
configurations, it would hopefully be a simple matter to create some
diskettes users can install with the /etc/install command to automatically
place binaries and shell scripts in proper directories with appropriate
permissions and perhaps some minimal default configuration to
read and reply to comp.os.coherent. Downloadable images of the
diskettes can be made available on mwcbbs and other sites for people
to uncompress and dd or cpdir (depending on how the images are made
available) the image to a floppy diskette.

Such an undertaking should actually be no more than building binaries,
testing them and placing them in an installable fashion onto floppy
disks, which shouldn't be more than a couple days of work. The disks
could be beta'ed by comp.os.coherent readers, given a final blessing by the
 group
and made available on the various coherent bbs sites. Since I've probably
opened up a topic to raise some debateable issues, I can start by
volunteering to build the floppy diskettes, but I would like to see a lot
of feedback about what should/should not be considered for this. I have
little personal experience with news software myself (I had used Gnews for
a while, but have been relying on the feed from IndyServe for several
months to read/reply to comp.os.coherent) and would rely heavily on this
group for suggested configurations. Let me make it absolutely clear that
this would be a personal undertaking and MWC would not be actively supporting
this. Besides, sleeping at night seems such a waste of precious time...

When making suggestions, please remember that 3.x users must also
be accomodated, so nn and tin are not feasible for them. I would think,
however, if the binaries are small enough, installable disks could be
built which could accomodate nn and tin for 4.0 users and alternate
packages for 3.x users. I would prefer to not make Gnews available
for consideration, but if enough of you press for it, I can be as spineless
as any politician and change my position on this.

To me, this seems simpler than watching the almost daily messages
about what newsreaders to use and the problems of bringing up readers that
worked under 3.x to 4.0 (from scratch) and could reduce traffic
in this area. What do you think? Reply to this group or bob@mwc.com.
From: lauther@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de (Dr Ulrich Lauther)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Copying files to floppy disks
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:13:16 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


  In article <01GNV2FPK56A8ZE6H1@delphi.com> you write:
  >What could I possibly be doing wrong when copying files to floppies?
  >For example, I downloaded screen.tar.Z, nn.tar.Z, and several other files
  >from mwcbbs today while at work. I noticed that screen.tar.Z was about
  >500K and nn.tar.Z was about 570K after concatenating all of the pieces
  >together. Yet after I get home, I find that screen.tar.Z is 400K and
  >nn.tar.Z is 440K on the floppy and the files are definitely incomplete.
  >Here's how I did the batch today at work:
  >
  >	cat screen.tar.Za? >screen.tar.Z
  >	fdformat /dev/fqa0
  >	mkfs /dev/fqa0 1440
  >	mount /dev/fqa0 /f0
  >	cp screen.tar.Z /f0
  >	umount /dev/fqa0
  >
  Why don't you just use
  >	cat screen.tar.Za? >screen.tar.Z
  >	fdformat /dev/fqa0
	echo screen.tar.c | cpio -ovcB > /dev/fqa0

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