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From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: LSD vs. cigarettes
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:23:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd
Distribution: world
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In article 26920@cbnewsm.cb.att.com,  shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>The guy started out with a normal face and two normal eyes.  After constant
>dosing for months he developed the characteristic oval "acid face" with 
>tired droopy eyes.  His features changed and he started to resemble the face
>on the "In the Court of the Crimson King" album cover.

I thought that face was a cocaine user as you can see right up his nose.
You must mean the one on the back cover. <-)

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From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette (& **** Harley questions ****)
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:58:26 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <LOTTO.92Dec31094114@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu
(Jerry Lotto) writes:

|> I can't
|>think of a reason to want a chain driven motorcycle again unless the
|>power output of the motor exceeds the belt's capacity.  Modified
|>belt-driven big twins which attain over 100 HP have not tipped the
|>scale yet.  The torque figures are probably more significant with
|>respect to belt stress, and V twins provide plenty of twist to the
|>teeth.
|>
|>I don't know what an actual stress limit comparison of the two systems
|>(modern belt vs. modern chain) would reveal.  Anyone out there abuse
|>drive systems on a Dyno for a living :-?
|>
|>--
|>Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD
|>#18
|>Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want
|>to..."
|>

I have no experience with final drive belts but I have plenty of
experience with primary drive belts and their lack of stamina
under adverse conditons. They're great for 99% of the bikes
out there but they will not hold up under high torque conditions.

HD went to the belt final drive because the customers wanted
them. They are clean and a relatively low failure rate item.
They are not failure free. A small rock that gets between the
belt and the sprocket will eat a ohole in it that will eventually
cause failure. IMO enclosed rear belt drives are fugly. HD also
makes a killing on these belts, the markup is unbelieveable,
3X-4X.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: mor fake yuppy crap
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 19:33:12 GMT

>>     The other day I saw the ultimate in vehicular fakery. A shiny
>>new Toyota 4X4 with fake mud painted on.
>
>Ed, there is no end to the facade of foolishness that we see today,
>fake harleys, fake parts on harleys, fake riders on harleys, 
>fakers faking fakers etc.,etc., Isn't great to live in the USA
>where else can you get more entertainment and not cost 
>you dime? And can you really believe that the clowns who 
>buy, imitate, or codone this type of sh*t are real people?
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Are you sure about that? I could swear some of them are androids.
Maybe just zombies.



Ed Campbell
     Email ed@Tekelec.com (maybe) 
doh # 000069.000 
      000074  (Panhead displacement)
      3 15/32 (Panhead bore)
'57 FL  (Ol' Beasty)
'76 XLCH (Hoss)
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar. (Leapin' Lena)


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: LSD vs. cigarettes
Date: 09 Jan 93 01:08:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

In article <dfOh02Wy30G601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com wrote:
> In article <C0Hu2H.L8u@rice.edu>, garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
> >I have a friend that used to regularly (2-3X a week) eat somewhere between 
> >10-15 hits at a single sitting. This was 10 years ago. Back then he had 
> >a bleached mohawk and wore leather all the time. 
> >
> >He quit taking LSD some time after that. Now he has short hair, is a 
> >Republican, wears suits all the time, and just recently passed the bar to 
> >become a licensed lawyer.
> >
> >Probably the most severe physical changes I've ever seen.
> 
> WOW!!!! If Acid will make you wear a suit and go to law school, 
> then I for one will stay away from the horrible stuff!!!!!

No, no, no.  You're missing the point entirely.  Taking acid makes
your hair short and turns you into a Republican.  Cripes, this stuff
should be banned because of the cost to society.

Wait, wait - was it the acid that caused the republican/hair damage, 
or was because he stopped taking acid?  Now I'm confused...

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     '91 Nighthawk CB750 - DoD #393, doh #0000000750, AMA, VME
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Glide: Wonderful or Wacko?
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:19:46 GMT

In article <C0I6x9.D2C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom) writes:
+ <stuff deleted>
+I did get to ride this new scoot just over 1k miles since I got it
+on Halloween and now that winter has closed in on me here in Minnesota
+I can only let it idle as I prepare the MooGlide for a long nap.

Good News!  I am willing to offer you a free service.  Ship your bike
to me in the L.A. area and I'll make sure that it is properly used
during the winter months.  No need to worry about gas getting old,
gum in the carbs, battery going dead, etc.   Anything to help a Bro!
____________________________________________________________________________
				You are here!
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            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: LSD vs. cigarettes
Organization: Kill some piss-ants for Jesus
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:03:53 GMT

In article <Stafford-070193093828@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.151728.8048@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com
>(Keeper of the 'Tude) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1993Jan7.084239.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>> > Gee, I wonder which is more dangerous... LSD or cigarettes?
>> 
>> Gram for gram, I'd have to say LSD.  Can you imagine *grams* a day every
>> day for 30-40 years?  I've seen physical changes in friends that did
>> 300-400 mcg (that's *micro* grams!) every few days for a couple of months.
>
>What kind of physical changes?  I mean, did he grow an extra eye
>or did his legs fill out to the shape of bell-bottoms or what?

I have a friend that used to regularly (2-3X a week) eat somewhere between 
10-15 hits at a single sitting. This was 10 years ago. Back then he had 
a bleached mohawk and wore leather all the time. 

He quit taking LSD some time after that. Now he has short hair, is a 
Republican, wears suits all the time, and just recently passed the bar to 
become a licensed lawyer.

Probably the most severe physical changes I've ever seen.

Dave


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: LSD vs. cigarettes
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:07:04 GMT

In article <dfOh02Wy30G601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:

>>He quit taking LSD some time after that. Now he has short hair, is a 
>>Republican, wears suits all the time, and just recently passed the bar to 
>>become a licensed lawyer.
>>
>>Probably the most severe physical changes I've ever seen.
>
>
>WOW!!!! If Acid will make you wear a suit and go to law school, 
>then I for one will stay away from the horrible stuff!!!!!
>
   No, read it again. It was QUITTING that ruined his life.

Ed Campbell
< a disk overrun ruined my sig file>

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette (& **** Harley questions ****)
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 18:52:12 GMT

>Belts don't require any lubing.

    I wonder if a belt wouldn't last even longer treated regularly with
some kind of surface conditioner/lubricant like Armor-All?


>Dave> (takes about 30 seconds, if you have a centerstand, which is stock on
>Dave> nearly every chain-driven bike)
>
>This is rec.motorcycles.HARLEY.  Find me ONE chain-driven HD with a
>stock centerstand.  Hey, maybe you found the reason that Harley felt
>obligated to convert all models to belt drive!

    When my Panhead was made, an optional rear stand was available. My
ULH came with a rear stand, a front stand was optional. My friend Henry's
VL had front and rear stands. The deluxe version of the WL had both stands.
Not quite the same as a centerstand, but they work better because the wheel
you are working stays off the ground no matter how much gas is in the tank
or stuff in the saddlebags.


>Dave> Replacing the chain and both sprockets runs under $150.  I can
>Dave> do the entire job in under an hour

   Try it with a drum brake. It takes near an hour just to get the rivets
out.


>Sure.  The process is identical to chains.  Change one or both
>sprockets and use an appropriate size belt to center the tension
>adjustment.  No belt change required for +/- 4 teeth (about).
>
>In reply to :"My Harley mechanic tells me their belts generally last
>              75,000 miles with a single adjustment"
>
>Dave> Okay, 1-1/2 times as long as chains, under MUCH less typical stress.
>
>You missed the boat on this one Dave, the comparison being made above
>is on the SAME TYPE of motorcycle with typical (poor) care.  Belt
>failures are not often stress related, they typically fail because of
>damage long before they exhibit significant wear.  If you treat a belt
>half as good as you treat a chain - regular cleaning, tension
>adjustments, etc, the belt can give you 100,000+ of service.  Add up
>the time and labor and lube over the life of the product and the cost
>difference shrinks.

>I don't know what an actual stress limit comparison of the two systems
>(modern belt vs. modern chain) would reveal.  Anyone out there abuse
>drive systems on a Dyno for a living :-?

     Note that the above applies ONLY to HD and some good quality after-
market belt drives. A friend of mine had an aftermarket belt kit on his
Panhead. He was showing off one day and ended up stripping the teeth off
the belt.


Ed Campbell
     Email ed@Tekelec.com (maybe) 

'57 FL  (Ol' Beasty)
'76 XLCH (Hoss)
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar. (Leapin' Lena)


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"Chrome don't get you home"
			Racer Brown  1953
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: THE doh LIST
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:57:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.135010.1735@elektro.cmhnet.org> charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>I said it was the last one, but who am I to believe.  There was a suprising
>amount of change (any is suprising!) - just notice how flexible a fellow
>Ed Campbell is becoming ...  :-)
>
>Hey Ed - are you this hard to pin down on other things?
>
>        13	John Makel	jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu
>000000022?	Zander Collier	zcollier@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
>      0069	James K. Rye	rye@mahogany209.cray.com
>   000069.000   Ed Campbell	ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
>000000069.00000 Ed Campbell	ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp

  Well, lets see now. That's a good number anytime, but you
have to have a way of keeping straight whether it's James or me,

>    000074	Ed Campbell	ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
>00000000074.0000 Ed Campbell	ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
that's the displacement of my Panhead, but the one with the trailing
zeros isn't really correct, so drop that. (The real displacement is
something like 73.84)

>   3 15/32	Ed Campbell	ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
That's the bore of a 74" OHV Harley engine

>   3 31/32	Ed Campbell	ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
and that's the stroke (or was it 3 63/64?)

    The last 2 were posted as a joke when someone wanted to lift the
requirement of decimal numbers. So anyway, how 'bout some ground rules
RE the set of characters allowed? To lock it in to a single value,

    if(isnum(doh))
	val = 5774;  /* 1957 74 inch */
 
      if(isnum(doh) || ishex(doh))
	val = atoh('PAN');

      if(isasci(doh))
        val = '57PAN';

      I realy don't care that much for floating point numbers, I
once had a Plymouth with 'floating power, it was ok but it wasn't
real fast.

     Now, is everybody happy? I will copy the above ifs into my
sig file and, if the character set is limited, I will remove what
ever doesn't fit.


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)


'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

pick_doh()
{

    if(isnum(doh)) 
        val = 5774;  /* 1957 74 inch */ 
    
      if(isnum(doh) || ishex(doh))
        val = atoh('PAN'); 
 
      if(isasci(doh)) 
        val = '57PAN'; 
 
return(val);
}


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Glide: Wonderful or Wacko?
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:47:44 GMT

--
In article <1993Jan7.144438.29480@ncar.ucar.edu>, jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John
Sloan) writes:

|>Am I the only one that moved in a deeply spiritual way by the new
|>Nostalgia Glide?

I think the Moo Glide is the most gawdawful ugly HD I've seen in ages.
Then again, I think the Fat Boy is fugly, too.

Once that seat gets dirty it's gonna look even worse.

Now your FLHS...that's a whole 'nuther story. Cream with Yuppie 
Green...you can have it. The orange is wild. Love it. Great looking
scoot.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette (& **** Harley questions ****)
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 22:42:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.060749.21121@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:

>|It seems to me that you've made my point. Belts require *no* maintenance
>|and even when totally neglected last longer that even the best cared for 
>|chains. 


>
>|>Chains are required for situations of high stress and low clearance.  A belt
>|>just cannot take that sort of stress.  
>|
>|I believe I've read that supercharger belts on top fuel dragsters transmit 
>|roughly 300 hp. Clearly if chains were better for this, these people would 
>|use chains. 
>
>Now you are WAY in left field.  Steel is stronger than rubber.  It's not a
>hard concept.  Have a look at hopped up Harley dragsters, and tell me how
>many use belt drive.  For that matter, if a belt is so strong and reliable
>in a hostile environment, why isn't Chris Carr using one?
>
>In order to transfer the kind of power necessary for really strong performance,
>a belt would have to be very wide.  Chains are smaller for similar strength.
>Have you ever seen a supercharger belt?  It's BIG.
>
>In any case, 300hp seems ludicrously high for a small compressor.  I would
>like to see your reference, on that one.

      That sounds about right. Don Yates (first dragster to break 9 sec.)
measured 280 hp driving a roots blower from a GMC 671 engine mounted on a
239 inch Ford flathead @ 5500 rpm.


>|>Is it even possible to change the drive ratio, with a belt?
>|
>|Same as a chain: get alternative sprockets.
>
>Please name a vendor for aftermarket pulleys.  I certainly haven't seen
>them in catalogs.  And it's MUCH harder to change a pulley and adjust it
>than a chain.  Most non-pros wouldn't even attempt it.

    Try Super Max in Portervill CA. I think I saw them listed in the
catalog from Hog Hollow, but I'm not sure of it.


>Really, belts are well suited to the kind of use environment in a
>Harley rear drive.  They are quiet and provide power-pulse damping.
                              ^^^^^
     That's the big reason right there. Due to EPA BS, HD had to use
as many tricks as possible to get the overal sound level down. As for
power pulse damping, while much better than a straight chain drive,
a belt doesn't come close to the old compensating sprocketin damping,
and the sprocket is a lot cheaper to make and install.

>I expect part of the reason they are on Harleys is they are just
>a different way to accomplish the task, that sets them apart from
>most of the competition.

    Like when the first started using chain drive, most of the competition
was using belt drive.


Ed Campbell
     Email ed@Tekelec.com (maybe) 

'57 FL  (Ol' Beasty)
'76 XLCH (Hoss)
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar. (Leapin' Lena)


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	"Chrome don't get you home"
			Racer Brown  1953
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: THE doh LIST
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:50:10 GMT

I said it was the last one, but who am I to believe.  There was a suprising
amount of change (any is suprising!) - just notice how flexible a fellow
Ed Campbell is becoming ...  :-)

Hey Ed - are you this hard to pin down on other things?



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  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
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0000001956	John Stafford	Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU
9999999999	Craig DeForest	zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: '80 Wide Glide 4sale
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:03:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hey all, saw this on the BB at work. I have no idea who poster is, and
have never seen the bike (puuleeese, 9k in 12 years!?!?!?!?!?).

thought maybe one a ya'll might be interested..........

(Hell, I'd even look myself if I had 6k).

408 area code is San Jose CA area.

Later, Eddie doh#0000000013

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)------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Monday, 11 January 1993 07:03 PT
To: Swap_Cycles
From: Cheryl.Stanford
Subject: HARLEY '80 FXWG

9K miles, very clean, many extras.
$6300  call 408-259-2781 aft. 6pm
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: mor fake yuppy crap
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:53:11 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <EfH28M_00WAE00UlB5@andrew.cmu.edu> John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Ed writes>>
>
>     The other day I saw the ultimate in vehicular fakery. A shiny
>new Toyota 4X4 with fake mud painted on.

Wow!  Maybe if I don't wash the truck, then it'll increase its resale
value.
--scott
   (always looking for an excuse not to wash the damn thing)
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Who buys these things?
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:46:21 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <2094@admin.mport.COM>, max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) frothes:
> >In article <2046@admin.mport.COM>, max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
> >a diatribe about:
> >> middle age yuppie scum will cruze up and down melrose with
> >> really-loud-pipes (tm) on their brand new harleys in some misguided attempt
> >> at recapuring what cool people did whan they were young in the 50s. 
> 
> perhaps you should follow the conversation. the question was "where do new
> harleys with 500miles on the odomiter come from?"
> perhaps in this context, my response makes more sense to you.

You labelled as misguided someone else's reasons for wanting a bike (above).
I was not responding to the original question, just your attempt to
cast some other riders as somehow being less worthy of owning a Harley.
It was your vehemence that I responded to.

It's interesting how some Harley owners get so uptight about the
kind of people that are attracted to their brand. Do you feel
threatened if the 'wrong' people are riding Harleys?
  
> of course, if you are the aging poser scum in question, how much do you
> want for that new fatboy? 

Aging poser scum, I guess I am. We all are sooner or later.
The scum in question, sorry. I can't afford a Harley. I have to settle
for old british bikes.

As for froth(e)ing, I hope I didn't get you too wet.

Terry

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