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From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:04:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Aug30.232544.2345@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>

K.A. Perkins said -
Ultra sound is all about having to drink a lot of water
so you have a full bladder for a couple of hours, more water
than you could comfortably hold even if someone wasn't doing
Olympic gymnastics on your already squished bladder.

I've had routine ultra sounds in two pregnancies and a couple
in the hospital while preterm labor was being brought under
control. In non of these was there any statement about fullness
of my bladder. 

Many years ago I had an ultra sound and had the instructions to
have an uncomfortably full bladder. They started and decided my
bladder wasn't full enough so I had to wait a while longer. 

I thought that maybe with in improvements in the instruments that
the a full bladder was no longer needed as a reference point. 

The other reasoning I thought was that a uterus and all of its
fluids would work quite well as a reference point. 

What's the story? are some women - what percentage - being made
to suffer unnecessarily? Is it necessary because of less experienced
technicians or older instruments? or what.

The lack of medical interest/research on women's health is
a sore point with me, but there are ways to start making a 
change.

Carol
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: birth announcement (easy birth stories)
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:39:58 GMT

In article <92241.123539CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.151605.18689@crd.ge.com>, millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia
>K. Miller) says:
>>
>>In perspective, the hardest part of the labor was that once it got intense
>>I didn't know how much longer it would  be.  If I had known it would only
>>be another 1/2 hour, I wouldn't have paniced as much.  The whole thing
>>was only  around 10 hours.
>
>I agree with Julia, that one of the hardest parts of labor is not knowing
>how long it will last.  My labor was also induced and very short--about 4
>hours of pitocin before I could start pushing.
>If I had known ahead of time that it would be over that quickly,
>I think I could have managed more easily.  Unfortunately,
>it is almost impossible to predict.  One thing to remember though, and
>someone on the net told me this before I delivered Douglas, is that
>dilation doesn't happen at a steady rate.  It took me about 5 hours to
>go from 1 cm to 5, and about 1 hour to get from 5 to 10.  It's very hard
>not to be discouraged when the dr comes in and says you are at X cm, when
>you have been working so hard!
>
>Chris Himes

Well, that is dialation is usually exponential.  Both times my rate of
progress was linear.  Last time my contractions never got regualar either.
Drove the labor nurses nuts, they kept thinking the monitor wasn't working
right.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: donna@vogon.att.com (Donna J. Dixon)
Subject: Re: preterm labor in second pregnancy
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:13:11 GMT

From article <1992Aug25.130717.10175@cci632.cci.com>, by lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing):
> 
> Hi, my name is Monica and I am new to the network!
> 
> On March 8, 1992 I had my first child, a boy, Patrick. He
> weighed 7 lbs 0oz and, now at 5 1/2 months, he is 15lbs and
> 26 inches long.
> 
> I had an interesting labor, as I spent the last 8 weeks of
> my pregnancy in bed.  Patrick decided to try to make his debut
> at 30 weeks.  The doctors tried to stop the labor....with
> some success.  Then it was bedrest!
> 
> I am curious, what are the chances of this happening on a 
> second pregnancy?  
>
  I went into premature labor with my first child at 26 weeks and spent
  the rest  of the pregnancy in bed  and on medication until 37 weeks.
  I did end up going full-term. (I had several bleeding episodes with
  this first pregnancy).

  The doctor told me that I had a good chance that it could happen again
  the next time I was pregnant so I was given a lot of restrictions right
  at the beginning of the pregnancy.  I was not to lift up my 2 year old
  son, lift groceries, etc..  By three months, I was to be laying down
  for 2-3 hours in the afternoon and I was only allowed to return to
  work part-time (I was a teacher so  I switched to only working mornings).
  Between the 5-6 months, I was told that I would have to stop working and
  begin laying down for 1-2  hours in the morning and 2-3 hours in the
  afternoon.  
  I was to lay low as much as possible in between the laying down times.
  I was to stop having intercourse, stop eating sugar (gluscose problem).
  This was right at the time I had gone into bleeding and premature labor
  with my first pregnancy so they weren't going to take any chances.  I
  had a problem with my placenta remaining low during this second pregnancy
  so they were concerened that it may tear.  They also told me that it
  would be hard to stop labor if my placenta remained low so that was also
  why I had so many restrictions.  I followed the doctors orders because
  besides worrying about going into premature labor, I was worried that
  I would get into a situation whereby I would have to be on complete
  bedrest like my first time which would have been very difficult with
  a 2 year old in the house.  

  I did go full term with the pregnancy but I think that was because I
  was really cautious throughout the entire pregnancy.


-- 
--
Donna J. Dixon
Naperville, Illinois
{ ...!att!vogon!donna, donna@vogon.att.com }
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jimpt@bucket.rain.com (Jim Peterson)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Sep 92 16:42:42 GMT

olney@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Doug Olney) writes:

>    We've decided to replace the weeds under the kid's swing set with
>	   
>    Of course, if anyone has a favorable report on alternative
>    materials, I'd love to see that too.
    
We framed the area around our swing set with landscaping timbers, placed
landscape fabric down in the framed area and put several inches of
pea gravel on top of the landscape fabric.

The pea gravel doesn't compact when wet and we haven't had a problem
with the neighbors' cats using it for a litter box.  (It's been in for
3 years now.)  The kids like playing with the gravel, too.  The "you
can't play here if you throw rocks" rule has been strictly enforced
and keeps that problem to a minimum.

The landscape fabric helps keep the weeds down, separates gravel from
mud and permits the water to drain naturally.

Carolyn

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:35:27 GMT

In article <14339@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>You will be safest if you (1) get a good fence around your house--I've 
>never known a dog to jump or dig under a fence to get INTO somebody's 
>yard, just to get out of their own 

We have (what I consider) a good fence.  It keeps our golden retriever
and shepard mix in, even though they'd love to be in the woods.  But it
didn't keep the husky out that got into our yard the night I gave birth
to Marie.  And there's a little mutt that keeps cutting through our yard
(if I ever catch him...).  He slips under the fence, and it's too much
trouble to try to keep him out -- he never stays long, he's just taking
a short cut. 

But I think these are bizarre cases.  Paula's right -- a good fence
should keep your child safe from lose mutts.

Michele G.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: I'm getting too big too fast!
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:52:52 GMT

I'm the one who posted yesterday about my rapid weight gain and after
getting a few responses back (thank you!) I realize that I should have
mentioned a couple more things. Big babies do not run in the family.
My mother was told her babies would be 9-10 lbs. but we were only 6-7.
Also, I've had an otherwise perfect pregnancy, no complications, all
my tests have come out perfect, including Gestational Diabetes.

Thanks again!
-Jen (due 11-14)
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:54:05 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Aug31.180052.4758@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>I am not so sure everyone agrees with that.  I have seen people shocked
>to discover that my 2.5yo carrying a doll was a boy (the shocked person 
>was a female airport security guard who looked to be ~20).  ...

I was in Europe on business a few weeks ago.  I was looking for something to
bring back for Laura (11 mo) for her first birthday.  I found a really neat
wooden "choo choo" labled "Western Express" in a toy store in Oldenburg,
Germany.  (There isn't any track, just an engine, and three cars.  The pieces
are painted wood, about 6 inches long and 4 inches high.  It's a little
advanced for Laura at the moment, but she will grow into it.)

The store people were quite scandalized that I was buying this for a girl!

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.  D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Brushing teeth - When to use toothpaste?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:03:01 GMT
Distribution: na

Since our local water supply isn't fluoridated, our kids take supplements.
The pediatrician said that he upped the dosage with age, not just size --
he's factoring in an expected intake from swallowed toothpaste.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Justin's Birth Story
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Aug24.184922.6330@news.media.mit.edu>
	<1992Aug26.151223.7259@ttinews.tti.com>
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:53:51

In article <1992Aug26.151223.7259@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

   In article <1992Aug24.184922.6330@news.media.mit.edu> stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
   >In article <11661.2a989daa@cpva.saic.com> bakers@cpva.saic.com writes:
   >>We look back at our childbirth
   >>classes which advocated no medical intervention and we think that if we had
   >>been persistent with this thinking would Justin be alive today?  

   Whoa there!  Did these classes advocate "no intervention", or "no
   UNNECESSARY intervention"?  The latter is good; the former is crazy.

Exactly so.  My sister had a midwife for the births of her two kids.
Midwives in general have much lower rates of intervention than doctors
(yes, for the same patient population) so my sister was hoping for no
interventions with either child.  Her daughter was born with a
textbook drugfree birth.  Two years later, another pregnancy, she went
into early labor.  It was evening.  She called the midwife, who said
to come in just to be checked, so if nothing was happening everybody
could get some sleep.  Joan went in, expecting to be sent home to go
through early labor at home.  The midwife listened to her belly, had
Joan move around a bit, then informed her that they had to go to the
hospital NOW.  Timmy was born via emergency C-section shortly after.
Joan had to have general anesthesia because an epidural wasn't quick
enough, and as they were giving her the drug, the scalpel was poised
over her belly.  Luckily, Timmy was fine, although small (4 lb 5 oz,
and he was a term baby).

Joan reports that
for her, recovering from the C-section was much worse than recovering
from a vaginal birth.  YMMV.


   We covered sections in our Bradley classes and were reasonably well-
   prepared.  Have other Bradley Moms had similar experiences?

Yes.  In our Bradley class, we covered most of the common
interventions.  The message was always that the intervention had its
uses, but also had drawbacks, so should not be used unnecessarily.  I
ended up having Pitocin and vacuum extraction for Will.  Although I
wish I could've given birth without them, I think that we made the
right decision.

-- Anne 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:26:09 GMT

>I found out the hard way that the birth of a child didn't qualify 
>unless there was a corresponding decrease in income.

This must be employer-specific, because the birth of a child is a 
qualifying event here, regardless of income status.

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:39:30 GMT

(Constance Stillinger) writes:
>
>I had an ultrasound ("level 2") at 18 weeks from last menstrual period
>(lmp) and didn't have to do anything special to prepare---no full
>bladder, just hop up on the table and see videos of our son!

Yep, me too - five ultrasounds in fact ... partly because my baby was an 
invitro baby.  BUT for the AMNIO, I had to drink a lot of water.  I believe 
that's standard procedure.

diana
From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:05:47 GMT

In article <17juiuINNqq2@network.ucsd.edu>, dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.213038.21526@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>> just like anything else, if used properly, present little risk.  
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that over 20,000 accidents occur each year due to walkers is pretty
> scary.  Just because accidents couldn't possibly happen in *your* family
> doesn't imply that they are good for mass consumption.

>> Why not ban stoves?  

> Simple--stoves are necessary, unless you always eat out, or eat your
> food raw.  Walkers are *not* necessary equipment for babies.
> Diane C. Lin

Since when is it the government's business to ban those things that
are not necessary???  The walkers are something that, with *minimal*
care, are not dangerous at all.  Swingsets are not necessary, yet
how many kids get injured on them each year?  Let's ban them--NOT!

Look, for all 3 of my kids, they absolutely loved the walkers.  It
kept them occupied, and interested, and they had great fun chasing
daddy around the room (and all 3 walked at 13 months).  We only used
it on the main level of the house (kept basement door locked) or the deck.
In the house, we have a sunken family room (about 6 inches down), so
I clamped a two-by-four across the step--now no problem.  I did the
same on the deck (though I screwed in the 2-by-4s there).

Don't forget, this "report" was put out by a self-appointed "consumer"
group.  Their whole raison d'etre is finding supposed problems and
getting media coverage about them.  20,000 kids injured a year?
What kind of injuries are we talking about?  If they are not life
threatening or disabling (i.e., they heal right up), what's the big
deal.  Kids are constantly injuring themselves doing all sorts of
things; that's part of growing up.  Maybe we should just lock them
up in a big padded room until they're 21 just to make sure they
never get hurt.

Bob
-- 
                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Johnny-Jump-Ups
Summary: Consumer Reports excerpt
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:44:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug27.181921.10743@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
>Since there's been so much debate about walkers lately, I'd be interested
>in hearing what everyone has to say about Johnny-Jump-Ups. I know people
>who swear by them, but have also read that they can cause injury to the
>child's legs if it jumps up then comes down and hits the floor. Any
>comments?...


Here's what the Consumer Reports Books' _Guide to Baby Products_,
Second edition, says:

"Some babies in the 6- to 12-month range love bouncing around in a
jumper, while others heartily resist being so restrained.  The
advantage of a jumper is that it can provide a way for baby to play
independently while being near you.  The disadvantages are that some
babies become dizzy after strenuous bouncing sessions and others
have been hurt when they knocked their heads into the sharp sides of
narrow doorways when the jumper got off balance during bouncing.  We
suggest that you use a jumper only on a wide-spaced doorway with
sturdy, well-defined molding.

As with walkers, there is a danger in overuse.  Don't allow your
baby to use one more than 10 to 15 minutes at a time.  And take him
out as soon as he shows signs of being discontent.  Some
manufacturers make inflated claims about how jumpers will develop a
baby's leg, back, and abdominal muscles; in fact, jumpers may hinder
a baby's natural physical process by reinforcing leg motions that
are totally different from those involved in creeping and crawling.
Be sure your baby gets a full diet of floor practice in these skills
that have been shown to be critical to motor development.

It's important that you don't expect the device to be a baby-sitter.
Always keep your baby in your sight when he's bouncing."

Hope this helps,

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:33:07 GMT

In article <6737@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons) writes:
>Judy asks:
>>Since you are all so knowledgable on this subject, do BOTH parents have
>>to work to earn the credit?  Would income from a non-job count as the other
>>parent's income so that pre-school expenses could be deducted? 
>
>Both parents don't have to work, but the non-working one has to be a
>full-time student.

  I don't know how it works for a student.  But as long as you are
  claiming Ron's non-job income as income on your taxes you get a
  credit for some % of either his non-job income or the pre-school
  expense (which ever is less).  Say the pre-school costs $100 a week
  and he only makes $50 a week then you can only use the $50 a week
  for figuring how much credit you get.  Go to you local library and
  copy the Dependent Care tax credit form.  The directions are short
  and very easy to understand.  Also the cap on how much you can use
  to figure the amount of credit you get is very low, compared to
  how much good daycare costs.  Last year is was $2400/dependent.
  (Right like I can get any child care for my child for $200 a month.
  That's less than $1.25 an hour.)  If you make more than $28,000
  you get a credit for 20% of that ($480/month).  That is, provided
  that you don't have a lot of itemized deductions (like a big house
  payment).  If you do you may not even get to claim that.  We couldn't
  even get the $480 credit.  That is why we signed up for my husband's
  company's dependent care program.  Basically the more money you
  make the better off you are with a dependent care program.

  Also to the person who said that the company has to pick-up any
  daycare costs that go over how much you contribute.  This is not
  true, those come out of your pocket.  My company's human resources
  said they don't have the program because they would have to hire
  another person in accounting to handle the special account and checks.
  So they claim it isn't worth it from their point of view because
  not enough people are interested.  I'm glad my husband's company
  has the program.

  mona
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Are Fetal Heart Monitors needed??
Date: 31 Aug 1992 16:41:04 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <31AUG199209455209@trentu.ca>, bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
|> A slew of reputable studies published in the most prominent obstetrical
|> journals, involving many tens of thousands of women, shows that fetal
|> heart monitors do *not* improve birth outcomes. They do, however, increase
|> the caesarean rate dramatically. They do this partly because using them
|> requires that your freedom of movement in labour be severely restricted.
|> If you have an internal monitor, you have to lie down through labour in the
|> classic stranded beetle position (the *worst* for you and your baby).

I agree that monitors are over-used, given the evidence, and I agree that 
they tend to restrict movement, but it's certainly not true that the 
internal monitor means you have to use the stranded-beetle position. 

They made me lie on my left side while wearing one, and that's a perfectly 
good position for most stages of labor. The stranded-beetle position seems 
to be in complete disfavor these days, at my hospital at any rate. A pad 
was placed under my right hip even for the c-section! (I'm not sure when 
it was removed.) 

With the external monitor, I was mostly in an upright position, perched on 
a thin ledge the bed made when the back was vertical and the leg-region 
dropped as low as possible. They had great beds in Labor and Delivery. I 
was actually more comfortable there than at home, thanks to the bed.

I didn't mind being confined for monitoring with the pitocin, after being 
in labor for a couple of days at home. I had already gotten to move around 
as much as I wanted, earlier in the labor! I remember feeling grateful for 
an excuse to not have to go walk the hallways, at that point.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children's Book-of-the-Month Club
Summary: better than others
Keywords: children books
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:01:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug27.154000.27468@hemlock.cray.com> clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes:
>[...]
>I'd like to hear other netters' opinions of the Children's BotMC, and I'd
>especially like to hear from those people who have tried this book club.


I rather liked the Children's Book of the Month Club, because the
selection was quite good, and it worked like other book/record/video
clubs aimed at adults.  That is, you got a catalog every 6 weeks or
so from which you could select your books.  In almost every other
book club I've seen aimed at children, you get the shipment FIRST,
and then you get to spend your time in line at the Post Office,
sending back the books you don't want!  I stupidly went for the
Beginning Readers Book Club, run by Grolier--the ads are basically 
for Dr. Seuss books--and ended up getting lots of books I didn't want.  
The ads are also very deceptive for that book club, because they
lead you to believe that you're enrolling in a Dr. Seuss book club.
In addition to Seuss, you get Berenstain bears (UGH!!! IMHO, of
course) and a few other minor authors.

Anyway, back to the Children's BOMC, after I fulfilled my membership 
requirements, I cancelled my membership, as my local Bookstar 
is cheaper (no S&H charges), and my local library is cheaper still :-).

Just my opinion, of course,
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)