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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Unusual GLOCK ejection method
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:52:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <9207281435.AA24282@stortek.com> vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
#I asked him about it, and he said that the GLOCKs are the only
#gun he knows of, which will eject through the magazine well.
#I forgot to ask if the cases were hot on the hand coming out.
#This whole proceedure seemed slightly dangerous. If a case ever
#ruptured all of the energy, and some of the brass could be directed
#down the mag well, and into his hand. 

#Any comments?

never seen this before - off-handed speculation would be that the
ejector had been removed/disabled in some way...

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paul theodoropoulos                          damiel@netcom.com
From: uk09365@nx06.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Long Range Fire
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:47:28 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <Bs64uC.Bpy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)  
writes:
# A friend and I were discussing long range sniper fire and both of
# us were pretty ignorant of it. We came up with a few questions I wanted
# to ask a forum of experts. These were:
# 3) What is the longest recorded sniper kill in history?

I have read,  a WWII account (might have been in
Guadalcanal Diary?) of "sniping" 5,000 yards (of course,
it might have been 'only' 5,000 feet) across a river with an
M-2 .50 machine gun.  By "sniping" I mean that one
Japanese sentry was targeted and bracketed by bursts
from the gun until they got the range and put a burst
in his chest.  (Apparently he was overly self-confident of
the inability of the America GIs to ever get the range
and just stood and watched.)  Of course, by this measure,
counterbattery artillery fire could be considered "sniping,"
too.   :-)

Robert K.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: speaking of shopping sprees ...
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:53:32 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo) writes:


#  This is supposed to be a max of a week for the state to do their
#thing with paperwork, and in theory if a dealer doesn't hear back that you
#are a bad guy then you can take your purchase.  Of course, theory does not
#match practice, and the state police assure dealers that they'll never have
#another purchase from their store approved should they deliver without the
#state response, no matter how long it takes

??!	The state police assure dealers that they'll never have another
purchace from state police?   I don't understand what you mean.

If the law says default is make the sale in a week, then there is no
charge that could result from following the law.   How do you know this
is not an urban ledgend?

I think the store just screwed up your order, and came up with that story
as an excuse.

Jim Del Vecchio

[JimP responds:  To clarify:  The state police assure dealers that the police
will not approve any purchase made through that store again if the dealer
once is found to have delivered a handgun before the police respond, even
if beyond the time limit defined in the law.   This is not urban legend.
It is clearly explained to dealers by the state police at regular meetings
held by police to keep dealers up on the ... err ... law.  I have personally
experienced the delay, cited for exactly this reason, on all occasions in
which I've purchased a handgun from a dealer;  they state has *never* come
back in less than three weeks.  The record for delay that I know of first
hand, for a guy in our club, is nine months.]
From: wwarf@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Want slide for Union switch & signal 45
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:33:59 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <fQfcPCd@quack.sac.ca.us> bweaver@quack.sac.ca.us (Brian Weaver) writes:
#I'm trying to find where I can pick up a slide for
#a Union switch & signal .45 auto. Govt model. I have
#had no luck so far and would appriciate it if someone
#could point me in the right direction.

If you want a US&S slide, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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From: andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Open Carry was Re: Georgia - Land of Paradise for Progunners???
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:36:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.

In article <1992Jul29.133708.14218@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> you write:
#If you were born and raised in California, then you should have known
#that until a year ago January, California was an open carry state as
#well as Nevada.

While the rules with respect to UNLOADED open carry may have changed
in the last two years, LOADED open carry has been "severely
restricted" for decades in CA.

-andy
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From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Clip ejecting noise of M1 Garand
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:38:14 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <9207281914.AA04100@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
#
#In <9207231930.AA03331@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu> I asked:
##So, anyone wished to claim having hear that "twinggggg!" from the other
##side?
#
#And several netters claimed indeed to have heard the "twinggggg!" on
#firing ranges some distances from the M1. In particular, one of them
#claimed what he heard was this:
##I'm talking about the sound made by the clip itself ringing as it
##flies through the air_after_ the shot sound is over.
#and from
##about 50-100 feet away
#He also claimed that was not the sound of the clip hitting the
#ground, which if included would make it sound like
#"twwiiinnnnnnggg-clank".
#
#So can any M1 users tell us their own experience?
#
bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-twinggggggg-plop

[MODERATOR: Actually my last outing sounded more like
	``bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-click-SH*T....''
]

Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: tiger@vipunen.hut.fi (Karl R. Tigerstedt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Info on MEC prog shotshell reloaders?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:38:58 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology


    Could someone send info/comments on MEC's progressive shotshell reloaders?
Info such as bushing availability, gun powder feed machanism and general
performance aspects would be appreciated. Would MEC 650 be a good buy or should
one consider the MEC Grabber? As a newcomer to reloading, could someone explain
how brass resizing functions?
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[MODERATOR:  While you experts are at it, I wonder if you might also
suggest good manuals to describe shotshell reloading in general, such
as are available for cartridge handloading (e.g., the NRA manual is
a great resource for learning the basics.)]
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Webley .45
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:36:41 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <9207221412.AA12251@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU>, by rats@ihlpm.att.com:
# The Webley revolvers from the good old days used a .455 cartridge.
# 
# These looked like shorter versions of the US .45 Autorim rounds.
# 
# I think around 1912 or so, Webley brought out an autoloader that
# fired a rimless version of the .455 Webley round.
# 
# Standard .45ACP rounds will not feed from the magazine of the M1912
# Webley, but short-bullet catridges like the old Super-Vel would feed.
# 
# The M1912 Webley autoloader had an interesting feature in which you could
# drop the magazine by a small amount, and be able to handload single
# rounds through the top of the weapon; I don't recall if the weapon locked
# back the slide after each round in this mode. Anyway, the rationale was
# that in fighting hordes of indiginous insurgent forces, you could shoot
# single rounds to your hearts content, but have a full magazine ready
# when multiple attackers got too close for comfort...
#

Didn't they make the revolvers until at least WWII?  I'm sure I
have seen references to them in books/stories from/about that
period.

I didn't realize they made an automatic.
 
# Oh, by the way, the U.S. bank robber, Jeffery Erickson, who got killed
# attempting to escape in Chicago July 20, earlier used an Australian Arms
# "SAP" 5.56mm pistol to assault a policeman in his patrol car by firing
# through his windshield. The 5.56mm rounds penetrated through the officer's
# soft body armor...

Hmmm, WLS in Chicago keeps saying he shot himself.  Sounds like a
cop/marine gone very bad.

If the 5.56mm penetrated the policeman's vest, how come it didn't
kill him?
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Best defense: Machine gun or shotgun?
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:37:13 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA


 forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:

#The high-capacity auto would obviously be the weapon of choice.
#However, in being out and about during a riot one may encounter
#situations where weapons would be abused (ie: dropped, fallen
#upon, dunked in mud/water/dirt, etc): it seems to me that a 
#revolver will continue to be operational for longer than a 
#auto pistol given the same level of abuse and assuming that
#the barrel does not get blocked.  (Revolvers have fewer moving
#parts to get gummed up.)  

	My Ruger Old Army might not be the best gun to base an opinion
on, but experience has shown me that the revolver can jam very easily
from grit and grime blocking the cylinder.  Yes, a split percussion cap
will bind the Ruger up tight, and it takes hemostats to remove the
blocking matter and rotate the cylinder.  The cylinder can only be
rotated one way, so good luck of you get it halfway cocked and it
jams -- you have to remove the cylinder, and that can be damned hard to
do at some points of cylinder rotation.

	I'll take the auto's -- if one jams, I have another.  With an
auto and a revolver, when one jams I have six shots to make my escape.
Five if I'm carrying my Old Army (_never_ load all six in black powder).

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: ae561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: $ on a used Gov 70series
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:18:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


	Could anyone email me an estimated price for a Goverment
model 45 70 series?

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From: tmoore@wildwood.tinton.ccur.com (Tim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Tasco PDP3 on IPSC guns
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:10:14 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corporation

I have recently discovered that the Tasco PDP3 Big Dot optic with the
'new' stronger tubes will not stand up to being mounted by just the
front tube.  There are many mounts on the market of this type.   Mine
have cracked with about 3000 rounds on them.  The tubes havent broken off
they just crack.  Eventually you cant zero the things which is how I 
discovered the problem.   The one that wont zero has over 7000 rounds on 
it.  My backup scope has about 3000 and is cracked much less severely.

Any open class IPSC shooters out there have or have heard of similar
problems ?   If so, I would very much appreciate hearing about it.
In the mean time, Ive switched to a scope mount that grips the optic
by both ends.        DVC
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From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Best defense: Machine gun or shotgun?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:36:48 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

I would vote for the shotgun.  Use a cheap but reliable 12ga pump.  Any
would be burglar just has to take 1 look at it to know you are serious.
Besides, after you shoot the guy, the police will confiscate your gun 
until the trial is over.  It will be locked in the evidence room, and
you will be lucky if you ever see the gun again.  I would rather they
took my cheap $100 shotgun, than a $500-$1000 machine gun that would be
nearly impossible to replace.
From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com (Lawrence V Cipriani)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hollowpoints illegal in N.J. ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:37:40 GMT
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.

#In-Reply-To:  v148rb5b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (COLLIN MCCULLEY)
#
#In the UK, I would suggest that the first reaction of nearly
#everyone, from "the man on the street" to Chief Constables would be
#"Whats a hollowpoint bullet ?"
#
#Rephrase it as "Dum Dum bullet", and the unanimous response would b
#ethat they're illegal, immoral, probably fattening (8-) ), and mere
#posession of such a device is evidence that you're either an
#evil murderous psychopath, or a fanatical terrorist.

Our very own American (Politically Correct) Civil Liberties Union
tried to get hollow-point bullets banned, even from use by police
on the grounds they were "too lethal."  Sorry, no references.  Maybe
some of the ACLU watchers can provide one ...
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
"I just love the smell of gunpowder." -- Bugs Bunny
From: bobd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Early 1911 (Re: Beretta military trial (X9) info)
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:00:26 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <9207190110.AA19154@stealth> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
#
# [Much deleted for brevity]
#
#I also had a chance (at a gun show, also this morning) to
#get an Argentine M1927 (the classic of the foreign M1911
#clones; it has funky, irregular ribs on the slide and no
#grip safety) for $189 (it had matching slide and frame, but
#the mainspring housing had a different serial number), but
#I hesitated on that one, as well, and it was gone when I
#returned to that table to buy it.

I think you're describing a Ballester Molina (spelling?) here, not a 
1927 Argentine. A Model 1927 Argentine, in my experience with
them, is an absolutely faithful clone (even to the point of
being licensed by Colt & produced on their tooling in Argentina)
of the 1911A1.

Congrats on your acquisition of an orginal 1911 (I like the
flat mainspring housing and the other subtle differences from
the 1911A1).
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From: tavernin@rd1.InterLan.COM (Victor Tavernin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Anschutz Rifle Actions
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:33:34 GMT


Does anybody know what the differences are between the Anschutz 54 action
(as used in the 1407, 1411, 1413, 1807, ... rifles) and their 64 action
(which is used in the "tyro" competition rifles)

Thanks,

Victor Tavernini
Racal-Datacom, Inc.
tavernin@rd1.interlan.com
From: mike.federchuk@rose.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: cost of semi-auto .22LR r
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:30 GMT

Date Entered: 07-24-92 03:41


  |We werequoted L205 for this rifle, but what does it cost in the
  |States?Anyone know?  Any other makes/models of self loading .22LRs
  |torecommend?  BTW, he's bought a Leupold 4x Compact RF scope to go on
  |therifle when he finally gets it (sensible man).

John,

You may want to look at a Remmington Speedmaster.  This is a tube-fed .22cal
rimfire semi-automatic.  It will feed short, long and long rifle rounds.  The
ejection port is on the right side, which would normally be a problem for a
left handed shooter.  However,  to correct this problem, the Speedmaster has a
shroud or cover pinned over the ejection port.  Its purpose is to catch the
ejected round and deflect it forward, away from the shooter.  The rifle is
billed as being comfortable for both left and right handed shooters.

I'm not sure how well this system works, I've never actually seen a Speedmaster
being fired.  Cost is around $230.00CDN (plus 15% tax).

Regards,
Mike Federchuk              |
Burlington, Ontario, Canada |
mike.federchuk@rose.com     |
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From: kdlin@laplace.scd.ucar.edu (K. David Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Springfield P9 Factory Comp Pistol
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:33:42 GMT
Organization: UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Science


In article <1992Jul21.091120.17748@news.uit.no> steffen@stud.cs.uit.no (Steffen Baeroe) writes:
#
#Is there anybody out there who knows how accurate
#Springfield P9 Factory Comp Pistol is and how is the 
#general quality of the same gun. (In either caliber)?????

Just want to supply a data point. I *HAD* a Factory Comp in 9mm. Its 
compensator rotated after about 50 rounds. So, the dealer sent it to
a local gunsmith who drilled a hole on the barrel so the attached screw
could fix the compensator better. It didn't work. So the dealer sent it
back to the Springfield Armory. SA changed the barrel and the compensator.
I got the gun back in about 2 months. Same thing happened again.
So I demanded a refound and got it.

Besides, its trigger is really bad in DA mode.

David
--
Defend your life with style -- shoot a Beretta!!        K. David Lin, Ph.D.
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From: greg@gogol.network.com (Greg Mclachlan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: BATF and Local Police Join Forces
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:42:20 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation


Recently here in Minnesota, a new Minnesota Fugitive Task Force (MFTF)
was announced. Today's Saint Paul Pioneer Press stated the MFTF was an
"... unusual task force of nine investigators from federal, state and
local police agencies. The task force includes investigators from seven
law enforcement agencies: Ramsey, Hennepin and Anoka counties, the state
Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the FBI and the BATF."

"... there have been other task forces involving state and local police
agencies, but 'this is the first time we've had involvement with
federal agencies... Now we have a nation wide network and can move
anywhere in the U.S.'"

"In April the Minnesota Legislature passed a law allowing federal agents
to become Minnesota peace officers and work on local cases."

On the previous day's local evening news, the task force was announced and
when it was stated the BATF was one of the agencies I payed close attention.
They went on to say the task force was formed to dealing with violent
criminals, etc, etc, and "possesion of dangerous weapons". Now the BATF
has the state and local agencies to pursue its confiscation of legal
semi-automatics.

The article also identified "Los Angeles, Seattle, Missouri, Iowa and
Wisconsin" as areas were similiar task forces have been created.

Has anyone seen any similiar task forces being assembled in your area?
Is the BATF working with you local police agencies on a perment, on-going
basis?

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From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: An embarrassing question...
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:34:36 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division


|> What is/are the primary name(s) for the semi-auto only, civilian
|> version of the M14??

Springfield Armory makes the M1A, some other outfit makes (assembles?) a gun they
call the M14S.

The name of the latter escapes me.

-- 
Kirk Hays - NRA Life.
Start your day with a little civil disobedience.  Call BATF at 1-800-ATF-GUNS or
1-800-RUN-GUNS, tell them what you think of gun grabbers and government employees
that encourage people to narc on their neighbors.  Good for the soul.
From: v148rb5b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (COLLIN MCCULLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hollowpoints illegal in N.J. ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:03:20 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

In article <18982@smoke.brl.mil>, gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes...
# 
#Since a responsible defensive user of a handgun would select hollow-point
#bullets as the most appropriate choice for the intended purpose, one has
#to wonder what the lay public's perception of hollow-points is.  I guess
#I'm too familiar with weapons technology to grasp what the public perception
#is -- could somebody who's sure of it please summarize what the "man on the
#street" thinks about hollow-point rounds?  Apparently they have a bad rep..

	As someone new to firearms, though not to firearms political 
discussions, my impression of hollowpoints as gathered, no doubt, from numerous
sources and recorded in my subconscious is as follows:  When I hear the word
"hollowpoints" my mind automatically brings up the phrase "lots of damage to
the person being shot".  I've no idea if this is correct, its just the
impression that combinations of movies, newsreports, and discussions have
given me.

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