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Subject: Re: YIJC; Violence (Was Re: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles)
From: cshamis@desire.wright.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:09:59 EST
 <c2+pr!b.sallylb@netcom.com> <1992Oct3.235006.22768@odin.corp.sgi.com>
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Organization: Wright State University 

> 	'Temple of Doom' was no scarier that a disneyland ride, which
> 	is exactly what's wrong with it; it's that sort of sanitized
> 	'Cartoon' violence that's designed not to be scary or
> 	disturbing. If we have any hope of decreasing the amount of
> 	violence kids pick up from TV, it's not going to be done 
> 	by making TV *less* violent; it's going to be done by making
> 	the violence more realistic, and more frightening.
> 			-Karl MacRae

Excuse me, I dont think thats entirely true.  There is enough Violence in our
society on the 6:00 news.  There is not any reason that TV shows have to be
Violent.  None what-so-ever.  I am a strong advocate in the idea that the more
violence a person is around the more they become caloused to it.  I prefer the
Euopean philosophy about this.  They dont have a lot of violence on TV, they
have NUDITY!!!   (I think I prefer that idea!!!)

A Classical Example can be shown here, think back to your Greek Classics, in
the Greek Tragenian days of Easchylus, Erripidies, Sophecles, and Aristophanes,
all the violence of their stories --HAPPEND OFF-STAGE-- No one SAW any of it.
I think TV could pull this off too.

Now Im not one of those people who say BAN VIOLENCE ON TV, But I would rather
see less of it than more.  However Im not worried too much if it does get worse
because; unlike alot of people who bitch constantly about things on TV they
dont like I'll turn the damn thing off!  I only watch three shows on TV anyway, 
Liquid Telivision, StarTrek, and QuantumLeap.  I used to watch MANN&MACHINE
before it got axxed.  :(

Anyway thats my $.02 worth....
CShamis@Desire.Wright.Edu

Think about it before you gun it down okay???

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: dumb Empire question
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:29:22 GMT


I really ought to know this, but how did Boba Fett know what Han would
be on Bespin? Was it just from following him after they flew off the
star destroyer? (Keep in mind that Lando says that the Empire arrived
shortly before the Falcon did.)

Here's a tough one: if Vader knew Luke was on Hoth, why did he get his
men to go down and smash up the base, at the risk of killing Luke?

How did Luke get off Hoth so easily?

If you watch Empire in slow motion, do you see Luke's hand falling down?

When the Falcon is flying away from Bespin with Luke, it looks like it
is not flying away from the planet but more like it is flying alongside
the edge of a Star Destroyer. Do you kind of see that, too?
Why does Lando say "what about those fighters" before any fighters have
shown up?

ESB is the film I've seen the most times; at least 40-50 times....
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
From: japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:28:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>The lightsaber (LS) is powered and controlled by the force, Luke can make
>it act as a "slicer" (in duels), an "anti-blaster" (when shot at with Lasers),
>a "stick" (over Rancor pit), or any of many other modes. The latter mode is
>probably the easiest and least energetic of all. When in an intense battle,
>with rapid reuse of the LS, Luke choose to place it in the "stick" mode, as
>it makes no difference if his victims are cut in half or fall down the pit.

>If a LS is nothing more than a knife that will cut through anything, than Solo
>would have been right when he said that "ancient weapon and hockey? religion
>are no much for a good blaster" and Ben wrong when he claimed the LS is an
>"elegant weapon".

  Well, first, A Lightsaber isn't powered by the force, rather, the hilt 
comtains an energy source... the energy is then focused into a blade shape,
bent back, and rerouted back into the power cell via super-conductors. (Pick
up a copy of the HTTE Sourcebook by WEG for a better desc. ;)
  Second, these modes simply do not exists..... there is what you called
'slice' mode, and that's it. *grin* The ability do deflect blaster shots comes
from the wielders attunement with the Force. It's not just a knife that'll cut
through anything, although it is that. It's a helluva lot more. In the hands
of the right user, they can do tremendous amounts of damage... For example,
Vader could do more damage that alot of heavy laser cannons with his LS. 
*grin*
            (This all, of course comes from WEG sourcebooks, which is usually
             a very good source.)

						RJW
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From: dufortm@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Dufort Michel)
Subject: Tie-fighters's BIG side panels
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:53:01 GMT


	Do you remember "The last StarFighter"?

	The gunner had some sort of computer graphics projected
	on the panels of the ship so he still could see the enemy,
	even when they were behind those same panels.

	What about the Tie-fighters? I know they could go faster
	than the X-wings so that they could always have a sight of
	what they were shooting at. Still, those big 'solar' panels on the side
	of the ship must block a lot of the view. If an X-wing came from
	your blind spots... 

	At least in the X-wings you can turn your head like in a car
	but in a Tie-fighter, you're in a bubble, completely surrounded.

	Any fighter-pilot with an opinion on this?

						Michel Dufort
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Trevathon Ryder)
Subject: Heir to the Empire
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:34:19 GMT


 
Hi, my very first post on the Star Wars newsgroup!  Didn't
even know it existed ...
 
Anyhow, does anyone know when the sequal to Heir to the Empire,
Dark Force Rising, will be released on paperback?  I'm too
cheap to buy the hardcover, then again, maybe the library has it?!
 
Secondly, who is Mara at Jabba's palace??  She claims to have
been there, and Skywalker made a fool out of her .. The only
thing I can think of is that she could possibly be Boba Fett
and managed to escape before being digested ...  Any ideas?
 
Thirdly, where is the Star Wars FTP site I heard someone mention!?!
 
Trevor Ryder
tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu
Rick@RobotechMUSH
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:31:48 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: dumb Empire question; "OB1"
Distribution: world
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 <14OCT92150048@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>

In article <14OCT92150048@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>,
dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) says:
>There is a much more likely explanation for the reason people post OB1, and
>that is the fact that if you've never seen the name in print, on screen
>"OB1" is what it sounds like.  I'd wager that half the people who use the
>misspelling have no idea what "the clong thing" is.

Hey, I have no idea about any "clong thing" either.  But ask me about
the clone thing, and you may get something out of me.

  _____)           ______        _)       _)  EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
                               __       __    OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
______    ______            ___      ___      Ernie "SHOKK" Oporto
                               __       __    Computer Lab Attendant
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Stephen Daniel Tilson)
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:50:05 GMT

dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu  writes:
> I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
> doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
> Dann Cutter  Stellar Enterprises /
> dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu

"Confirm any doubt"?! Gee, thanks, dude--I LOVE having my
doubts confirmed! =8-)

Steve
--
D.A.M.: Mothers Against Dyslexia
Steve's address is no longer sdt8s@poe.acc.virginia.edu;
I got booted to a new machine: sdt8s@curry.edschool.virginia.edu.
I'm working on a new .sig but not as we speak.
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lynch directing SW (Re: Cast of 'Prefix' T
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:46:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct11.134623.2243
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>If it would have been anything like Dune (Long Version), ROTJ

Ohhhhh......Ick !!!!  Jedi like Dune ????  Let me guess, Jabba would be a
large facelss worm that snakes through the sands of Tatooine, both Rebel
and Imperial forces (or at lest the actors) would not have a clue, and, the
the film's most touching scene, Yoda, just before his death, instructs Luke
on how to properly scream at the Emperor....

Noooooo Waaaaayyyy....Dune, the movie......*SUCKS*

Dave
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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: Classic SW Comic #1
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:19:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.000855.5368@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
>
>	Yeah, I really liked this comic.  Apparently, the series
>reprints a newspaper strip.  Does anyone know if this refers to a daily
>b&w thing, or a weekly (Sunday) colour strip?  I remember vaguely a
>Sunday one ...
>	Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
	
	As far as I can tell, there were two separate newspaper strips:
The first was done by Russ Manning (who recently died of AIDS, I think)
in 1977-78.  Then Marvel alumni Al Williamson and Archie Goodwin
started up another strip than ran from 1981-1983 and it is this one
that is being re-done by Dark Horse.  The story concerns events which
happen between SW and ESB.  So far, I like it, but I'd also like to see
Manning's strip again too.  I have heard rumours of an anthology of his
newspaper strip, but have yet to see one.  Anyone . . . ?

|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-Joe Stremick,               |"But I was going in to Toshe Station to |
|       a.k.a. Redrum         |pick up some power converters!"         |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Lynch as SW director
Keywords: NOT!
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:07:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Someone mentioned that Lynch directing a SW movie would be good.  I must 
disagree.  Lynch does best with the stuff that he writes/comes up with himself.
He doesn't do as well when he plays second fiddle.  Dune, taken by itself, is
not THAT bad.  But, when you look at it compared to the book, well it sucks
bad.  IMHO, Twin Peaks was awesome!  One of the reasons is that it was Lynch's
"baby" to do with pretty much as he wanted.  He and Frost had the authority
to do with it what they wanted, and it was Lynch's to start with anyway.  But
with RotJ, Lucas created, so it seems to me that Lynch would be in the postition
of trying to interpret someone else's movie/storyline and would be in a 
position to be heartily criticized when/if it didn't meet up to expectations.
This is because Lynch is... original, VERY original.  Almost nothing compares
to his stuff.  What has Lynch directed that has turned out to be conventional?
While SW movies might not be the most conventional movies, they aren't quite
like Lynch's stuff.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Marquand
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In one of the recent posts along the "Lynch/ROTJ" thread, someone
mentioned Marquand being able to read this. I can categorically
state that he cannot. One VERY simple reason: He's dead.

Yup, died about two-three years back. AIDS-related, pneumonia, I
believe. It was printed in the LFC newsletter.


                                    George...
From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's Death
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:37:02 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1bcagtINNjrc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:
>
>	If you want something to debate about, how come Anakin doesn't
>disappear after he dies....he has supposedly turned back to the good side (he
>appears at the end with Ben and Yoda, both of whom disappeared upon death).
>And don't tell me it's because he's more machine than man because his head, which you see is as non-machine as there is and it's still there after he dies.
>(The more machine answer was given in an issue of BANTHA TRACKS by one of
>the producers, but not by Lucas (the only authority) himself.


	Harrumph. How many times am I going to have to say this?

	Vader's life-support systems kept his basic bodily functions going
even after he'd suffered brain-death (in his truncated conversation with Luke).
This explanation, as well as being easy to remember, also handles the question
of why Anakin didn't appear with that nifty blue glow until after Vader's
body had been burned.
	No "official" corrob on this, no, just my own arrogant opinion. And,
arrogantly enough, I happen to think it's a pretty good explanation. :)


-- 
	My job is in New Jersey. My net account is in Delaware. My money is
somewhere in between.
From: boisvert@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:40:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: realsoon.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct15.043636.6174@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.223048.17949@Princeton.EDU>  writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.030957.6761@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu  
>>(Brian Perler) writes:
>>> In article <1bcasbINNk2s@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne  
>>Martin) writes:
>>> >	On a different subject, this summer someone mentioned on the net that a
>>> >STAR WARS Chess set (like the Star Trek one) was being made. Any info 
>>> when it will be available and for how much?
>>> 
>>> A Star Wars chess set?  Interesting.  Of course, the question is:
>>> who would each of the pieces be?  I've come up with the following
>>> (tentative) idea:
>
>[My list deleted for space.  I'm revising it in my head as I type,
>and I'll probably post it soon]
>
>>Tarkin and Piett would probably look very similar (well Piett could have his  
>>little hat, I guess)  How 'bout an imperial guard for the bishop?  (The  
>>red-dudes) Also for rooks there is also the possibility of using ships like in 
>>the ST chess set.
>
>Maybe.  The main problem I'm having here is that it's too rather easy
>to find enough (well, more than enough) characters to use for the
>Rebels, and not nearly enough for the Imperials.  The Rebels would
>probably get separate people for King's/Queen's pieces.  The
>Imperials would be tougher, though, as there just weren't enough
>unique ones to put in there.  Oh, well, I'll keep thinking.
>Now if only I had the means to actually MAKE this...

	I think it would probably be released as a "good guy/bad guy" set 
instead of "rebel/imperial."  This would then allow the use of Jabba, as well
as a host of other creatures.  There is also the chance that they would use
snowtroopers and biker scouts.  But this is all slightly irrelevant until the
main question is answered.  Is this thing for real and if so when, and for how
much?

-- 
Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
From: jseaver@starbird.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars hype? Not!
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:07:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

In article <92282.130748IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Well I tend to agree that there really isn't alot of hype going on
>right now.  BUT i'd like to comment that I'd like to see a different
>Kind of type if and when the First Trilogy ever goes into production.
>
>It seems to me that everyone know what star wars is.  What I would like
>to see is to commercial/hype that doesn't show anything from the movie.
>Kind of like what happened about four or five months before Willow came
>out.  Lots of hints and suggestions but clear picture.  Every one will want
>to see the movie because its star Wars.  Perhaps a few adds alot the lines
>of the intro to Star wars (In a galaxy far far away........ ) with very
>brief clips of film 2 or 3 second at most...... any comments?
>                                 Pat Ellis

	I must agree, this would be the way to do it.  I'd go even farther,
though.  Don't show _ANY_ clips until the Saturday AFTER it starts.  Why?
We're all going to be hyper enough when we hear that new SW films are coming
out.  If we actually see stuff from them, seeing the same clips for a month
before the movie is going to eventually bore us.  Another reason is that just
about everyone in the western world knows how the first trilogy (if that's what
Lucas decides to do) ends, or at least what the RESULTS are, and we've got
certain expectations already.  I'd really like to go in there knowing as little
about the movies as possible.

							-Jay
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's weakened character
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:36:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct16.025051.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:
>In article <1bksu8INNk0o@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>
>> 	If Lucas and Company go with this, it could make the first three movies
>> much more interesting, and add an element or two of suspense.  Another question
>> that comes up is that of who knows about Vader/Skywalker's true identity.  Ben
>> and Yoda, obviously.  But what about "Uncle Owen", "Aunt Beru", and Bail
>> Organa?  While they would probably agree to adopt the children of Anakin
>> Skywalker, Jedi Knight, would they be so willing if they knew Luke and Leia
>> were the children of Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith?
>
>Well, I'm not sure about the Organa's but I assume they would. Owen and 
>Beru DEFINITELY do. This much was revealed in SW IV by the following 
>lines:
>
>Beru - "You can't keep him here forever, Owen. He has too much of his 
>father in him."
>Owen - "That's what I'm afraid of."

	They could simply be fond of Luke and be afraid he, being young, rash,
cocky and full of noble sentiments like his father was, would end up dying
foolishly like they ASSUMED Anakin did.  Not saying I think this is what
happened, but it could possibly make the first triad more interesting.

				-Jay
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vaders death
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:46:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct8.234612.13634
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <7OCT199214085990@cats.ucis.vill.edu> 126580828@cats.ucis.vill.edu (!GENTILE, JOSEPH) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.123810.3147@cs.hw.ac.uk>, adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes...
>>In article <BvJ769.Eu2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>>>jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets) writes:
>>>
>>>>Umm, why exactly DID Vader die????
>>>>Luke withstood MUCH more than Vader from the emporer
>>>>whats the story?
>>>
>>>As I mentioned previously in my post describing the Jedi script (am I the
>>>only one who tries to read carefully?), Vader dies from a combination of:
>>>1) the battering he takes from Luke
>>>2) the tremendous physical effort needed to throw the Emperor into the shaft
>>>3) the Emperor's lightning that strikes Vader
>> 
>>Also, note that up till then, the Emperor had not been trying to kill Luke -
>>only to torture him.  By contrast, the bolts directed at Vader were intended
>>to kill Vader before Vader killed him.  The Emperor wanted to hurt Luke, and
>>then kill him slowly; he wanted to kill Vader quickly.
>> 
>>Besides, what you didn't see was the Emperor flipping a couple of the switches
>>on Vader's chest. :-)
>> 
>Also note that the majority of Vader's body was mechanical, therefore the
>electricity would do more damage to him instead of Luke
>!

No. No. No. Vader had a fatal heart attack at a most inopportune moment :-)
It must have been all that cholesterol he ate on Bespin (its a good thing
Solo didn't join him for that dinner).

Dan Shoham
shoham@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: brant@cs.UAlberta.CA (Brant Coghlan)
Subject: Wanted: 3D Star Wars Objects
Summary: Looking for FTP sites
Keywords: 3D, Imagine, Amiga
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:38:05 GMT

Do any FTP sites contain Imagine 3D Star Wars objects?  
Someone from this group mentioned they were working on a Super
Star Destroyer.  Is it available yet?
Any pointers would be appreciated.

Brant Coghlan brant@cs.ualberta.ca Comp Sci Grad Student, UofAlberta, Edmonton
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: davids@bohra.cpg.oz.au (David Schulz)
Subject: Re: ESB- Luke & the Cave
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:58:33 GMT

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>> On 13 Oct 92 03:33:51 GMT, sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) said:

>sdt8s> 1. It foretells the Vader/Luke relationship. (It does, but this
>sdt8s> is IMHO a purely secondary consideration in the scene.)

>sdt8s> 2. It shows that the greatest enemy Luke will have to overcome
>sdt8s> at this stage in his development is himself. (This is my
>sdt8s> favored interpretation, and all must prostrate themselves
>sdt8s> before My Exalted Opinion :-)

>I thought of Luke's face in the Vader mask was to show that Luke 
>had as much hate and anger in him, as Vader did, and it could have
>fortold, if Luke turned to the dark side, he would become another
>Vader.

I thought along this line also - until the Emporer tells Luke to stike
Vader down and take his father's place at the Emporer's side.
In conjuction with Luke's visions of the future in TESB, I took this
to mean that one of Luke's possible (dark side?) futures was to become
Vader.
-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 00:12:06 -0400 
From: "Nathanel J. Barlow" <nb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Related Star Wars Question

Vader is pretty confident at this point that he is going to destroy Obi
Wan in battle, so he may have wanted the satisfaction of killing in
combat--it would truly show his superiority to defeat his teacher in
full battle, and it would stroke his ego.  Or it's also possible that,
despite his evil nature,lack of respect for human life, and anger at any
who fail him, at this point there might still remain some vestige of
Jedi honor, which would not let him kill his opponent while he is not
fighting back.  This theory might tie in to some of the "tenderness"
theories given during the Vader and Leia debate awhile back.

Nate
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