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>Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu> /  7:44 am  Oct 15, 1992 /

>So, the Steelers are the "Team of the 70's"
>    the 49ers are the "Team of the 80's"

>Common denomenator?  Both won 4 Super Bowls.

Even though I'm a big Niner fan, I would probably rate the Niners
dynasty a shade under the Steeler (and '60s Packer) teams since they had
the off year in '82 and got beaten pretty badly in the playoffs '85-'87.
But what people rarely have noticed is that the team was almost
*completely* rebuilt between the '84 and '88 SB winners.  Only five
full-time players were on both teams - Montana, Lott, Craig, LB Keena
Turner and OL Randy Cross (there were a couple of other DLs - Dwaine
Board and Pete Kugler - on both squads, but it's sometimes hard to
identify "full-timers" in the Niners substitution schemes on defense;
Board retired after the '88 season).  By contrast the key units on the
other teams stayed intact (Packers OL and Steelers DL along with many
other all-pros).  It is a tribute Coach Walsh as well as the players
mentioned that the Niners were at least able to make the playoffs
every year (except '82), and then re-emerge to win two consecutive
league championships.

- Gary Rosen
From: dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - 1st qtr review - Steeler preview
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:21:58 GMT
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cfh@cbnews.cb.att.com (chuck.himmelspach) writes:


>Don't quit your day job, Dave (if you even have one which I doubt) cause
>you sure as hell won't make any money with your prognosticating (that means
>picking winners of contests).

>Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Browns,

>Der Himmel

Uh Der, I thought it was appropriate for you to diss me over e-mail (since
I did put myself out on a limb, and deserved to eat my words), but if you 
want to make this a public flame, let me address a few personal attacks 
you have made:
1.  I don't have a day job, as you well pointed out, since I'm currently
    a college senior, and will go to medical school next year.
2.  I don't intend to make any money from my prognostications (not the 
    present participle form please, if you are deigning to try to define
    the word for me, which you have done inaccurately...to prognosticate 
    actually means to predict, or to foreshadow an outcome, which of course, 
    could mean covering the spread instead of "picking winners of contests"...
    but I digress.)
3.  Finally, no matter what magical incantations you make (ie. Gooo...Browns),
    they will still be in the shit house of the AFC Central...and you can
    bank on that one.  Oh, and yes, I will stand by that statement, even in
    the unlikely case that I fall on it, because in the end, I am just a
    loyal fan who enjoys the sport; nothing more.  I may tease and cajole
    opposing fans, but I don't initiate personal attacks...whatever 
    frustrations you may harbor, be they the fact that the Browns truly suck, 
    or that you hate your job, or that you suffer from small-penis syndrome...
    get a life and deal with it.

Oh, and I did intend the above as a flame, because if you started it, I'll
finish it.

								-Dave
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From: burger@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (The Rodman)
Subject: Re: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rating the QBs)
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:09:31 GMT
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In article <1992Oct9.192918.21252@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>Especially the Lambs.  Since Rice joined the Niners, LA had played
>them as tough as anyone (had split with them every year, I think,
>until '91).  The major reason is that they absolutely refuse to let
>Rice beat them.  I don't think he's ever had a really big game
>against them...
>

   Hey, let's not forget about that Monday Night game where he caught 
   something like 12 passes for around something like 200 yards against LA 
   in his rookie season I think.  I seem to remember someone on MNF saying
   that Rice had finally arrived after having had so many problems  
   dropping passes up to that point.

      --The Rodman

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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A Detroit Lions History Question
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:43:35 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <92284.0357103ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>In answer to your query about the Billy Simms' "kung-fu" action, I can
>only answer a couple of your questions and not the most important ones
>at that.  I was at that game, it was in the Silverdome.  Billy was
>trying the hurdle the would-be tackler.  As I recall there was no
>penalty.  I do not recall who they were playing nor who won the game.
>Robert Newby

I'm almost positive that it was the Houston Oilers in both cases.

-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
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From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami is all hype....
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:39:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1464@niktow.canisius.edu> bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.153659.30555@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>> We sucked????  Knock Knock... Hello...  The Dolphins are 4-0.  Not the
>> 4 in the win column and the 0 in the loss column.  Now, please define
>
>well, not sucked.  How about "very inconvincing" before the Bills game.  Admit
>it, you guys had trouble with a 1-3 (now 1-4) team called the Seahawks.  And
>if I remember correctly, they almost scored in the final 2 minutes, and got
>very close.

"Almost" doesn't count.  And before the Dolphins beat Seattle, Don
Shula had NEVER beaten a team coached by Tom Flores.

>Miami's difficulties with easier teams (read: New England and Seattle, to name
>a few) will give them problems down the stretch. 

Um, perhaps you could explain what you mean by Miami's trouble with
New England?  The last six times Miami has played them, Miami has won
by an average margin of victory of 11 points.  Historically, Miami is
31-21 vs. New England.

>Look for the Bills to crush another weak team, the Raiders.  

I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Curt
--
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
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From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: David Shula
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:04:23 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

What do the Cincinnati fans, press, players, and front office think of new
head coach David Shula?  The Bengals started out OK, but things have been
down hill the past few weeks.

Dan (Dolphin fan wondering how the chip off the old block is doing) Kary
From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dolphins vs. Raiders
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:38:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Oct9.113817.7447
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct8.162506.18073@ntmtv>, weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP (Keith Weitzel) writes:
> In article <Bvs8u8.JxI@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>Here is the Miami Dolphin schedule. Along side each game a have placed a number.
>>1 - should have no problem winning, 2 - should win/could be close,
>>D 14 LA Raiders       (1) 
> 
>    The Raiders on Monday night and Miami is going to win with no
> problems? I don't think so.  The Raiders have the Dolphins number.
> I cannot remember when the last time that the Dolphins beat the
> Raiders in regular season.  The Raiders are always tough on
> Monday night.  Hopefully, the Dolphins will do as you and look
> past the Raiders, then the Raiders will go to Maimi and crush
> the unexpecting Dolphans.
> 
> A die hard Raider fan
> I bleed silver and black

I have little or nothing to back this up, and maybe someone can help me.  I
seem to remember once when Miami played the Raiders (then Oakland) on Monday
night a few years ago that Frank Gifford said the Raiders were the only team in
the NFL with a winning record against the Dolphins (overall, that is).

Anyone know if this is true or false?

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.201001.94281@evolving.com> pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil) writes:
>gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>: jg> John P. Gloria
>: gs> Gary Strand
>: 
>: jg> All these "comebacks" really don't amount to a hill of beans!
>: 
>:   I bet Schottenheimer doesn't think so, nor do the Oilers. The Broncos (with
>:   Elway) have cost the Browns and Oilers plenty when it comes to a chance at
>:   the Big Show. His "hill of beans" has made him one of the winningest QBs in
>:   the game today. As Elway says, the game ain't over 'til it's over, and I'm
>:   sure Schottenheimer would agree.
>: 
>
>AN OPEN MESSAGE TO JOHN P. GLORIA
>
>Let's look at this a bit more rationally.  Gary had 28 games listed where John
>Elway had come from behind 4th quarter victories.  (The Denver Post and The 
>Rocky Mountain News had 31 games listed).  Since this is Elway's 10th season in
>the league, that amounts to approximately 3 come from behind wins a year.  This
>is the difference in going 8-8 and missing the playoffs and going 11-5 and 
>making the playoffs.  That is an example of where these victories do amount to 
>a "hill of beans".  So f**k you very much!
>
>: Gary Strand 

You call this *rationally*. I knew you might be queer, but since you
have now come out of the closet, I now know why you have a fixation
with QB's, i.e., they bend over and stick their hands under the
center's ass.  I'll bet you must drool when you see *your* Elway
saunder up to the center and you must be upset when Elway has to take
the snap from the shotgun.  Back to some rational from a real man. 
Elway's comebacks are just an entry in the records that when added 
up, do not mean jack shit, except to queers like you.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
Subject: I Don't Understand Gambling
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:35:32 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I get Dolphin Digest, there is a column called "Wizard of Grid" where
some guy picks the games against the opening Las Vegas point spreads.
He picks all the games and indicates his "best" picks with two stars
and indicates games not worth betting on in his brief text on each
game.  On the same page is an ad for "The Wizard Network Phone Service".
This week he offers "NFL Game of the Month goes on Sunday, Just $25"
"Guaranteed to Win".

I assume you call him, give him a credit card number and he tells
you which game to bet on and whether the favorite will cover the spread.
I also assume that "Guaranteed to Win" means that he doesn't send in the
charge if his prediction is wrong (though you are still out your bet).

Why will anyone pay for his advice if it is already published?  How do
you place a bet if you don't live in Las Vegas?  I wondier if the customer
base for this kind of service would be gambling addicts who realize that
they cannot pick games.  That wouldn't make any sense either, since
gambling addicts (I presume) are addicted to the "thrill" of placing
their money at risk, wouldn't "professional advice" reduce the risk and
therefore the "thrill"?

Perhaps this service is used by investors who view "The Wizard Network"
as a kind of financial advisor.  You pay $25 for investment advice that
usually returns 100% in less than a week.  Beats the heck out of anything
Wall Street has to offer.

I guess I really don't understand gambling.  Perhaps someone can explain
it to me.

Dan (go new england) Kary
From: hammond@sys6.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins Eat the Bills for Lunch...
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:31:31 GMT
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

I agree, there needs to be a coaching change, but I would argue that it 
should be Walt Corey (Def. Coord.) that should go.  I can think of no other
team with as many acknowledged defensive stars (Bennett, Smith, Talley,
and Conlan have been in Pro-Bowl) that is such a cruddy defense.  Either
the players are overrated, the stars can't overcome the poor play of players
like JD Williams and Kelso, or Corey hasn't got a clue.  I believe it to 
be the latter.  I say buy Walt a lifetime supply of swizel sticks and cut
him loose!  The defense certainly can't get any worse.
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Super Bowl as Alpha and Omega, again (was Re: Eagles : YIKES!)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:58:06 GMT

jg> John P. Gloria
gs> Gary Strand

gs> I bet if you think *real* hard, you can support your opinions. Repeating
    them over and over again doesn't count as support, btw.

jg> Gary, it seems you furnished your own reasons. It is also apparent that 
    you have a mental block against the Niners period. No amount of facts will
    ever persuade you, so why waste your time when it will do no good.

  Seems to me you have a mental block in *favor* of the 49ers, and no amount
  of facts will dissuade you from your belief that they *are* a great team,
  because at one time they *were* a great team. Sorry, they haven't won an
  SB in two seasons. Get with the decade, rookie. Past glory don't count for
  sh*t. It's what teams are doing *now* that matters, bub.

  Go back to your "Intro to College for Clueless Freshmen 101" class, pay real
  close attention, and come back in a couple years when you've grown up some.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: current League Stats Please
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:09:34 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.63.718897011@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) writes:
>Would someone with some time on their hands please post the current NFL 
>standings after monday's game.  Thnx 
>Adriene L. Nazaretian        
>Yale University              
>ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
>ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  

NINERS WIN THE SB! :-)  Ok, Adriene, wanna make a bet that
the Niners will make it to the SB and the Giants will not?
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
From: rh08@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT HENGSTEBECK)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What about the Eagles!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:41:11 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

If you watch this board and I do, It seems everyone is high on the Dolphins.
They were not so high on them during the preseason.

But now the Eagles are hot as well, and to answer all doubts.

Four touchdowns ran in, that is more than they had total in '90.

I think we see the next Superbowl champs right there.

Sorry Miami fans, the Dolphins won't do it this year.  No chance at all.

Personal opinion mind you but it will happen.
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history 
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:41:38 GMT
Keywords: n


>Your Giants got beat in the highest scoring NFL game of all time 72-41
>in NY by the 'Skins on Nov 27 1966.
>
>The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
>in a single game by any team in NFL history.

I believe the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins in the biggest
blowout either 73-0 or 72-0.  Either way, they were tied or lead for 
most points in a game.....and a championship game, at that!!!


>
>The next highest scoring game was a 52-49 Oakland win at Houston Dec 22 1963
>
>enough for ya?
From: alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Alvino Battistoni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: MINNESOTA KILLS DETROIT
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:41:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: m248-97.alb2001-131092133639
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Bowling Green State University

HEY ALL YOU FOOTBALL FANS OUT THERE--

I am predicting that the Minnesota Vikings are going to blow out the
Detroit Lions this thursday night.  I think the Vikings will also hold
running back Barry Sanders to under 50 YARDS!

Minnesota has been quite successful against Detroit in the past, and I
simply don't see any reason why this game will be any different.  After all
Minnesota is at home and are on a roll.  Besides Detroit is hurting with
severe injuries!

Any Predictions?

E-Mail me at:
alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu
																																												Truthfully,
			
																																															Alvino
From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 15-1 AND WIN THE SUPERBOWL AND KILL THE REDGIRLS
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:49:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  (Junk [too nice 'a word] deleted)
>
>
>signed                     JULIUS THE LEGENDARY PREDICTOR
>
>quiz                WHO HOLDS THE RECORD FOR THE MOST REBOUNDS IN AN NBA GAME
>                    AND HOW MANY?
>
                     Either your mom or Charles (I hate all little
                     African countries) Barkley.

>
>                                   see ya!!
>


   -Chris (*sniff* I go to school with this guy.) Robbins
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Good Starts
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:10:03 GMT

>> Get the point? a great start doesn't guarantee a SB, but more often than
>> not, a great start means all the way.

Using the ftp.wustl.edu data, here is what happened to teams
with 4-0 or better starts since 1984:

		start  finish	playoffs		
1984:
	SF	6-0    15-1	won SB
	Mia	5-0    14-2	lost SB
	Rdrs	4-0    11-5	lost wild card game
1985:
	Chi	12-0   15-1	won SB
	Rams	7-0    11-5	lost NFC championship game
1986:
	Den	6-0    11-5	lost SB
	Chi	6-0    14-2	lost in first round
	Wash	5-0    12-4	lost NFC championship game
	Atl	4-0    7-8-1	didn't make playoffs
1987: (strike after week 3!)
	Chi	4-0    11-4	lost in first round
1988:
	Cin	6-0    12-4	lost SB
	Buf	4-0    12-4	lost AFC championship game
	Rams	4-0    10-6	lost wild card game
1989:
	Rams	5-0    11-5	lost NFC championship game
	NYG	4-0    12-4	lost in first round
	Chi	4-0    6-10	didn't make playoffs
1990:
	NYG	10-0   13-3	won SB
	SF	10-0   14-2	lost NFC championship game
	Rdrs	4-0    12-4	lost AFC championship game
1991:
	Wash	11-0   14-2	won SB
	NO	7-0    11-5	lost wild card game
	Buf	5-0    13-3	lost SB
	Chi	4-0    11-5	lost wild card game


--Gidi
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES BEAT THE COWPUSSIES AND THATS ALL TO SAY..EXCEPT PREDICTIONS
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:20:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Oct11.015732.16853@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes:
>SO HERE ARE THIS WEEKS PREDICTIONS OF THE K.C. GAME.......
>                                EAGLES 27
>                                K.C.   10
>EAGLES WILL FINISH THE SEASON 16-0 AND WILL WIN THE SUPER BOWL

I respect the Eagles a lot now, but this guy is such an idiot that I
wanted to be the first one to laugh at him.  I'm probably already too
late, though.  Still, worth the trouble.

Aaron, get a life!  AND FIND THE DAMN CAPS LOCK KEY!

Daniel Welch
----
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe . . .
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Back to the future?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct14.005316.22306@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...
>In article <1992Oct13.140253.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>
>>       If the future is any indicator of the past, then:
>>
>>                        SB VII    Miami vs Washington   Miami wins
>>                        SB XVII   Miami vs Washington   Washington wins
>>                        SB XXVII  Miami? vs Washington? ????????
>>
>>       Just something to think about.
>>
>>                                         -doug THE dolfan-
> 
>Just one slight correction:
> 
>      SB XXVII  Miami? vs San Francisco  Niners WIN..Watters MVP

       Sorry, but if and hopefully when the Miami Dolphins go to SB XXVII
       it will be the team led by Marino who wins. Dan Marino will be MVP.
       No matter who they meet in the Bowl they will be unable to stop
       Dan marino from accomplishing what he has waited all these years for.
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Skin's stats (MNF)??
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:31:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Could some kind soul post/email the Reskins individual stats from last nights
win over the broncos?

thanks,
nate
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