From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Will Raise YOUR Taxes - NOT!
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Date: 14 Aug 92 21:24:15 PST
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In article <1992Aug10.204711.3330@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
> In article <mykes.0c0n@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >The dems in congress demanded a tax hike as part of the 1990 budget
> >agreement.  Tax rate went from 28% to 31% as a result.  Nobody said
> >that the president has no power to raise taxes - his power is limited
> >to veto or signing such bills.  Period.  In exchange for the tax hike,
> >Bush got some of the things he wanted - particularly spending limits
> >that _should_ have decreased the amount of defecit spending.
>
> If George Bush had any cajones, he'd try the line item veto at the earliest
> opportunity.  Bring it up to the Supreme Court.  It's a matter of
> interpretation - there's nothing that explicitly allows or disallows
> it in the constitution.  If nothing else, it'd put the issue to the
> forefront.  This, my friends, is the *only* realistic way we have out
> of this budget mess.

You raise 2 important points.  First and foremost, the issue needs to be
brought to the forefront - I agree.  If I have a single biggest gripe with
Bush, it has been his inability (or lack of will) to broadcast from the oval
office and bring his plans directly to the people.  Reagan did this extremely
well and was able to get action on the bulk of his plans.

Second, you bring up a constitutional situation.  I, personally, would like
to see Bush do the line-item veto thing as you do.  However, the last big
constitutional question of similar ilk was the Bowlen Amendment prohibiting
sale of arms to the contras.  Bush would be flamed from here to eternity
by the liberals in congress and by the liberal media for abusing/ignoring
the constitution.  IMO, conservatives generally do not like to stray from
the constitution too far.



> >
> >>   2.  Clinton and Gore have stated emphatically that they plan to raise
> >>       the marginal rates on those making more than $200,000.
> >
> >And YOU believe a politician?  HAHAHAHAHA.  I bet you believe in the
> >tooth fairy, too.
> >
>
> Sounds to me like you believe George Bush - a politician, I believe.
> Tee-hee.
>

No, I don't believe Bush.  I believe what I see and have seen.  If that
jibes with what Bush says, then I believe he is not lying.  I do not
like his accepting the tax hike in 1990, but I also understand why he
had to do it.  He HAD TO DO IT.  I keep telling people who talk about
Bush's "lie" to keep an eye on California where we have a budget stalemate.
Guess what - MediCal Payments stopped TODAY.  Bush obviously cares about
people enough to accept the tax hike to prevent a similar fate to americans
everywhere - especially those who truly need the handouts they get.

When Bush says his proposals have gone to congress and are stifled by
committees, he is not lying.  I have seen it with my own two eyes.  C-SPAN
covers the congress LIVE and uncensored.

> >Does anyone believe Clinton?  Limbaugh thinks Clinton is promising everyone
> >in the country something that he can't possibly deliver on (to everyone
> >that is).  Clinton is lying all over the place.
>
> Hmmm.  Sounds like George Bush 4 years ago...  "Read my lips".  Trouble is,
> that's how you know when a politician is lying - their lips are moving.
>

No, doesn't sound like Bush 4 years ago.  He didn't make many many many promises
that were unkeepable to every damn interest group he found out about.  Again,
I see Clinton doing this time and time again.

> Substitute "Bush" for "Clinton" in the above sentence, and replace "Limbaugh"
> with some democratic mouthpiece, and the paragraph plays just as well.
>

Your post was good up to here.  You resort to insults.  Try using some factual
data or opinion, instead...  OK, so "read my lips" was a promise Bush made in
1988.  What promise has he made in 1992 that you don't believe he will keep?
What other promises in 1988 did he make that he didn't keep?

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ...Dale Cook    "It isn't pollution that's harming our environment.  It's
>                 the impurities in our air and water that's doing it."
>                 ---J. Danforth Quayle
>                 "Western Civilization is addictive and dysfunctional."
>                    --- Albert Gore
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