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From: casey@metaphor.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Scott Casey)
Subject: Re: Genesis, Hackett
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:20:50 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: casey@metaphor.engin.umich.edu


mike et al,
  Hackett DID play in the states just recently. i saw him in Detroit
at the marquee. about 150 people showed up for the show. he played
a lot of new songs that he has been working on, most of which was great,
some of it very mellow too. the show opened with an intrumental medley
of some stuff like 'hackett to pieces','myopia','ace of wands', and
even Los Endos. most of it was instrumental, but he did do
a song about a vampyre (very out there), camino royale, and the closer
was 'every day' - awesome!! he also played 'in that quiet earth'.
the band is different than on 'time lapse' but julian cope on keys
is still with him.  
  hackett was hanging out before the show with us in the crowd. its very odd
talking to someone who you have dreamed about meeting, and just hanging out
with him. very cool, but kinda sad that he had to play in such a dump
as the marquee and only 150 people showed.
  he did not plan on doing an encore, but we got him to come back out.
he said the band honestly did not have anything more rehearsed and he was
sorry for that so he decided to give us some solo classical guitar. so
what did he give us? Horizons, Blood on the Rooftops. gee, i dont see any
reason to apologize for that, it was awesome. then he left and we still 
wanted more so we brought the band out and ripped of an impromptu 12 bar
blues....what a weird way to end a show....
  sorry you missed him in chicago. don't you think he must have played
chicago if he played detroit? maybe not, but for anyone who missed this
tour, the live cd is worth it and representative of the most recent tour.
note:drummers on live cd are ian mosely(marillion) and fudge smith (pendragon).
this may encourage more of you to check it out, or run for cover, as the case
may be.

Dan Casey
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:36:05 GMT

Michael Borowiec (mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us) wrote:
: Have you checked out Hackett's live album released this year?
: It's called _Time Lapse_... it's all old stuff. 

No it's not *all* old stuff -- there's one new song on the album,
and several on the laser disc/video compilation.

Hackett is supposed to have a new album soon!

And tour for it -- he's already toured for Time Lapse. In fact, the
album was just an excuse to go out on the road.

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Another Live Crimson (w/ Belew)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:19:49 GMT

brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin) writes:

>I remember once seeing (in the early 80's) a live
>King Crimson record.  It was of the Belew period,
>and I think it was called 'Indiscipline'.
>On the back it had a long article by Fripp on
>why he hated bootlegs.  It itself wasn't a bootleg,
>but I've never seen it anywhere else, so maybe
>it was 'fake legit'.  However, it was in a large
>record store in Chicago that didn't sell bootlegs.
>Does anyone know about it?

It was a boot. A ballsy one too, to include Fripp's anti-bootleg
article right on the cover. And the title was actually INDISCIPLE. 

>Also, does anyone know where to get 'Fripp in the Kitchen'?
>(Frippertronics with the initial leads (that don't make
>it onto the tape loop) included.  Not 'strictly legit'.)
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Can you say BOOTLEG? I think this was titled PLEASURE IN PIECES ,
and has been done on boot lp and possibly cd also.

There's a place in Singapore that may carry the Fripp one. I don't 
think anyone has done a cd boot of INDISCIPLE yet, but the way the 
cd bootleggers are booting old lp boots it may turn up yet.  

 - malcolm
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New Crimso Box Out!!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:19:09 GMT
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft

In article <Bxu04E.GCE@world.std.com> fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb)  
writes:
> I just picked up the new Crimso Box Today, to make you all Jealous...
> 

Is this a general domestic US release? I keep checking my local record  
stores but no one has it yet. :-(

Gordon

P.S. And I just picked up some Crimson boots last week!
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: New Crimso Box Out!!!!
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:34:23 GMT

feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>>It is concentrated entirely on the 73-74 years, and is all live.
>>the recording qulaity is excellent, compared to the slipshod
>>recordings of the bootlegs of that era. I won't go into a track
>>listing, but I'll give the essential details..
>>

>AIEEEE!!!!   No track listings!?
> 

No Jamie Muir? Wasn't this box supposed to be 72-74? 

I don't have track listings but I heard they include 2 versions of 
Talking Drum, which Fripp is apologetic over including twice, and 4 versions
of Easy Money, which Fripp doesn't explain why he included 4 versions. Then
there's lots of improvs, but many are intro/outro or variations on other
tunes from that period. Dr. Diamond finally sees an oficial release too. 

  - Malcolm   




Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:49:45 GMT

In article <97555@netnews.upenn.edu>, jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:
|> In article <1689C767E.S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo) writes:
|> > Just for curiosity, an informal (unscientific,etc) poll:
|> > 1.  What (IYHO) is the best funk tune in existence?
|> > 2.  What (IYHO) is the best funk band in existence?
|> 
|> 1. "Lark's Tongue in Aspic Part II" by King Crimson.
|> 2. OBVIOUSLY the answer is It Bites! ;-)
|> 
|> What's this doing here? Take it to alt.music.alternative... ;-)


Gee, you mean King Crimson is considered 'alternative' ? :-)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: DAVID CROSS: MEMOS FROM PURGATORY (and Llamas too)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:14:57 GMT

Well, for some strange and rather peculiar reason, I've been
literally flooded with e-mail requesting a review of the
David Cross album. This really strikes me as odd since the
album has been out for 3 years. I didn't think it was that
rare.

Anyway, in between making cole slaw, buying disposably diapers and
savagely mutilating farm animals with expensive television-advertised
kitchen utensils, I've come up with the following:

If you like the "Larks' Tongue In Aspic" album, you will love 
"Memos From Purgatory"

It's *very* reminiscent at times of late 70s King Crimson, if
you've listened to any of the 1977-1979 albums, you'll know
what I mean.

It features some very innovative violin playing from ole' Cross-eyes,
for about the first 3 minutes though, you think you're listening to
something from "Starless & Bible Black", it's a real mindf---, whoa,
pro-fan-ity! Can't have any of that. Right, it's a real mind..erm...
mindflog! Yes, that's it! It's a real mindflog at first.

The bassist is killing (and no, I won't tell you if killing means
good or bad). In fact, the whole band on the album is killing.

It also features some interesting effects, and at times really
lives up to its title. Muffled screams, screeches, groaning, moaning
and the sounds of 10,000 Llamas copulating are scattered throughout.

This ain't an easy listening album. It's pretty difficult at times,
but it's also *gasp* funky sometimes. Anyway, if yer a KC freak
and you're into Cross' playing during his tenure with the band,
you won't be disappointed.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:37:01 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Nov18.001819.5396@timesink.chi.il.us> mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec) writes:
>I disagree... I think Gabriel's material since is absolutely brilliant.
>I also think that the two albums after the Lamb... (A Trick of the Tail
>and Wind and Wuthering) are very good and still have a very progressive
>and arty feel to them.

True,   but  you  forgot  to  mention  that  the  two  Genesis  albums  are
incredibly  dull  and  lifeless and probably gathering dust on your shelves
right now:-)

I like some of Gabriel's solo work but he is patchy.

>Then Steve Hackett (the lead guitarist) left and
>then there were three... (-8  Thus begins the move by Phil Collins to
>creatively dominate the group and cash in/sell out to the tune of
>millions of dollars.

Agreed.

-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ranjit@netcom.com (Ranjit Padmanabhan)
Subject: Re: DAVID CROSS: MEMOS FROM PURGATORY
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:39:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.030522.17250@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>     ... Anyway, has Cross released anything else since leaving
>Bob The Fripper's camp?

He participated in a 1975 release with Keith Tippett and some others, calling
themselves "Low Flying Aircraft", and released an eponymous album.

In the late eighties, he released the solo work _Memos From Purgatory_.

After that, he formed a group "Radius", who released two CDs, _Arc Measuring_,
and _Sightseeing_. Both these have Cross' violin quite prominently featured,
and are similar in spirit to _Memos From Purgatory_.

Ranjit
From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells II
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:01:10 GMT

I was a fan of the original Tubular Bells, but when I listened to
TBII I instantly liked it.  I haven't decided which I liked best
yet, but on TBII, one or two bits that annoyed me on the first album
have gone, and it all goes down much more smoothly.  Yum.

I'm a bit of an Oldfield fan overall, though, and after his last
effort "Heaven's Open" anything would have sounded good ...!
-- 
Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
University of Southampton, United Kingdom           "Vegetable Rights
E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs                             and Peace!"
From: jimbo@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Jim Winters)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:43:06
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
	<hjv.721921814@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>
	<1992Nov18.221459.16262@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca's message of Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:14:59 GMT

> >what would be the next CD I should buy?

Andy> 	From your article, you really enjoyed the later Yes, 90125 and
Andy> _Big Generator_.

If you want to get further into Yes, starting from 90125 and Big
Generator as a base (as opposed to starting from their earlier stuff
and working to the newer stuff), then I would recommend Drama.

However, you just can't go wrong with Fragile.  :-)

--

--
Jim Winters	jimbo@ssd.csd.harris.com
]O	See through science part of a backdoor.  A door made up of doors...
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson
Keywords: wilson/beatles
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:56:42 GMT

In article <1ekajuINN41b@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu> mmt@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Derek Olson) writes:
>
>From what i've heard, wilson got bogged down in writing for the smile album( too
>much LSD??) and pretty much gave up on it. Then he hears Sgt. Pepper and is
>"blown away" and realizes "the masterpiece" had been written. I've read that
>wilson was so impressed/drugged up  by sgt. pepper that he "sat in the corner
>with his headphones listening to sgt. pepper over and over and .... for around
>two weeks!!!" .  Wilson was a great writer but was no mccartney or lennon or syd
>barrett for that matter, but that's another subject.
> 



Lennon is Lennon, McCartney is McCartney, Fripp is Fripp and Brian Wilson is
Brian Wilson.   They all went to different schools they all made great
music.  The Beatles and the Beach Boys seemed to exchange influences in the
sixties, both being on the charts they watched and listend to each other
closely.  There were a lot of people who listend to
Beatles records for two weeks straight when they were released in the 60's
and not all of them were on LSD.  This was an artfull record, Brian Wilson's
talent was to be able to listen to records in extreme detail the Beatles
and Phil Spector gained his closest analysis.  Brian Wilson had problems,
Betty Ford had problems, Van Gough had problems, Keith Richards had
problems, everybody has had problems at one time or another.

It seems Sargent Pepper was born out of MacCartneys and George Martins
interest in modern European classical music, ie Berio.  Wilsons project
Smile was influenced by modern movie soundtrack composers like Stravinsky
and George Anthiel and by the elcletic tastes of his collaborator Van Dyke
Parks.  The question I have though if Smile and the Good Vibration sessions
were a copy of the Beatles, where is the therimin on Sargeant Pepper?

Regardless proof is in the listening, put on some headphones and listen to
painterlike details, complexity and production values of some of Brian
Wilson's better tunes and find out why Brian Eno, Paul McCartney and Genisis
P. Porridge have all publically recongnized Brian Wilson as an inspiration
and influence.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: New Geoff Downes Instrumental Work
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:00:37 GMT


I've just been informed that a new Geoff Downes instrumental CD
entitled "Vox Humana" has just been released in Japan. Does anyone
have this yet???

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: DAVID CROSS: MEMOS FROM PURGATORY
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:05:22 GMT


After much searching, I finally came across a CD copy of David Cross'
"Memos From Purgatory". This is a killing disc in my opinion, I
think I've seen it discussed here, so I won't bother going into
details. Anyway, has Cross released anything else since leaving
Bob The Fripper's camp?

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca


Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: New ELP release due in January
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:27:17 GMT

Polygram/Victory will be releasing ELP - Live At The Royal Albert Hall
on January 26th. I'm not sure if it's a single or a double, but this
is officially happening.

Anyone have any more info on this?

ELP signed a two album contract with Victory records, I'm wondering if
this is a way of fulfilling the contract before they get dumped or
break up...

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: kelly@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Abusing other styles (was: King Crimson Beginner)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:07:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Scott T. Lillis (sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:

: The new stuff was certainly a different turn.  Unlike the more
: east/west-fusion sound of the mid phase, the new stuff was like music of
: the future.  Combining technology with complexity of style and using it
: to such great extents.  If you as me this is what Techno should be. 
: This music makes all those techno morons(ie. Front 242, Skinny Puppy...)
: look stupid using samples to cover up for the simple drum machine beat
: combined with a repetative synth sample.  Then listen to the Stick(an
: intsrument of the future as is) weaved with intricately played digital
: drums and digital effects...  Crimson was WORLDS ahead of its time.  Oh
: well,  I guess it's popular to use technology to cover the fact that
: there is no talent behind your music and you really just out to make
: money.  

I hope that this is simply IYHO. It may be that you don't *understand* the
music of `techno' groups. In a similar way that many people don't understand
progressive rock.

I agree with you to the extent that the 80's KC consisted of incredible
musicians producing enjoyable and complex music, and was a good progression
of KC into a more modern style. I also love the sound of the stick. I would
love to take up playing one, but I lack the enormous amounts of money (and
talent ;-)

It *is* possible for people to enjoy King Crimson *and* Front 242 so try to
avoid rubbishing music that you don't know much about. I'm not asking you
to enjoy `techno' (I didn't at one time), but appreciate that a difference in
style doesn't automatically mean `lack of talent' and `commercial music'.

Ian

: Scott

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From: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Captain Beefheart reissue
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:53:47 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I just got the One Way reissue of Captain Beefheart's Mirror Man -
The first 10 seconds or so of my disc are extremely distorted sounding,
esp. the harmonica part, but the sound quality seems to pick up and
improve after that.
Is this a problem with only my CD, or with all the CD reissues of it, or
was it like that on the original LP (I've never heard this in it's LP
form, so the problem could be a crappy recording or master tapes, but you
think they would've cleaned it up for the CD release).


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: progressive?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:04:04 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov23.010343.8937@athena.mit.edu>, sarazion@athena.mit.edu (Sara M Zion) writes:
> dan(n) writes: 
>>Would someone please give me a workable definition of "progressive" that
>>includes Peter Hammill, but excludes Tori Amos, Sara McLachlan, Julian Cope,
>>the Butthole Surfers, and recent Tom Waits?
> 
> Sure. To be considered "progressive", Robert Fripp must appear on at least
> *three* of your albums (whether solo albums or albums with your band). Also,
> you *must* appear on Peter Gabriel's latest album. There; I'd say that the
> definition is "workable"  and that it includes Hammill but none of the others
> mentioned. Simple.

     Any band who has at least one member that has worked with Steve Howe 
is what I use as a "working definition" of progressivity.  :-)  For 
example, ELP is progressive because Carl Palmer worked with Howe in Asia.  
King Crimson is progressive because Bill Bruford worked with Howe in Yes
and ABWH (one could also say because of Wetton/Howe in Asia or
Levin/Howe in ABWH).  "Old" Genesis is progressive because Steve
Hackett worked with Howe in GTR.  And, obviously, Yes and ABWH are
progressive.
     But, then I would also have to say that the Buggles were
progressive....  :-)

     C. Perttunen
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: michaell@snake7.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: New Crimso Box Out!!!!
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:57:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.071909.1146@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>In article <Bxu04E.GCE@world.std.com> fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb)  
>writes:
>> I just picked up the new Crimso Box Today, to make you all Jealous...
>> 
>
>Is this a general domestic US release? I keep checking my local record  
>stores but no one has it yet. :-(

It probably won't be the most common thing - for $52 dollars, I doubt it'll
be a risk a lot of people will be taking.  Only those of us wise enough to
know what is going on will buy it.                           

I picked it up today -- wow!  If you are a Crimson fan, this is a must. Throw
out your bootlegs, burn your copy of USA. :-)

I knew this was going to be a good purchase (well, I _always_ knew it was
going to be good) when I finished the first track - Larks' Tongues, Part Two.
It is simply incredible -- the percussion is just wild.

Some marvelous work...I've only heard the first disc and skimmed the 67 page
booklet.  It's very much a continuation of the Essential King Crimson booklet
-- only 20 of the 68 pages have anything to with the album contents - those 
consist of some technical comments about the recording, a Fripp editorial
about EG and the music business, and Fripp's diary in the period the album
chronicles.

Fripp's control of the product is evident --a quote like this is on all three
discs: "We affirm the moral right of musicians to follow the promptings of
their muse."

Obviously, it'll be a while (as in years) before this work can be properly
digested.  This projects is well worth the investment for any Crimson Fan,
especially if the Wetton/Bruford era is your favorite.

And if you want a laugh, go and dig out the Asia live version of Starless. :-)
For someone who was three years old when this was all performed, this is
a beautiful set....

Michael Lee