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From: bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.064017.13800@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <65745@cup.portal.com> Aurelius@cup.portal.com (Mark Christian Barnes) writes:
>>
>> Does this mean that the same old Paula chip is used? That would mean
>>that floppy disks are still limited to 880k full speed drives. We still
>>will not be able to read standard HD (1.44M) floppies! ;-{
>
>   Paula is the same. However, your assumption about the disk drives is not
>correct - the A4000 has 1.76MB drives, which can read MS-DOS 1.44MB disks.
>That's why Workbench 3.0 has CrossDOS built in. :-)
>

Are you sure?  In any case, what I've read is that the drive rotation
speed can be halved to read disks of twice the 880K density.  Therefore,
the implication here is that using "old Paula" logic, disk transfer speed
will be the same (ie, no faster) than it is now, even though there must
be higher DMA bandwidth in the new machine.  Tsk tsk... 


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From: hbechtel@luke.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: HELP NEEDED for packard bell svga monitor on A3000
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:16:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep4.221609.18279
Organization: Washington State University!
Originator: hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

A firend of mine who does not yet have net access has a problem...
His brand new A3000 was connected to a SVGA packard bell monitor and
it shows the left half of the image on the right side and the right half
of the image on the left side making it impossible to use.

Please either email or post whatever solutions are possible here.
hbechtel@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: HD Floppy
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:33:55 GMT

ppessi@lesti.hut.fi (Pekka Pessi) writes:

>In article <tommy.00f0@weird.miami.fl.us> tommy@weird.miami.fl.us (Tom Bonge) writes: 
>>I also heard that A-max II plus can read High Density MAC disks, if
>>you have an HD floppy.  Where can I get an HD floppy, I have been
>>looking and calling every where and everyone says there is no such
>>thing or its not out yet, but a friend of mine has one on his A3000.

>	What is ID for a HD-drive? (I mean that DD with 80 tracks has
>	ID 00000000_16, DD with 40 tracks has ID 555555555_16, etc.)

>	How does it change the (effective) rotation speed? Is there
>	some special signal to change it? 

>--
>Pekka Pessi	/	ppessi@niksula.hut.fi

I think the part no for the current HD drive is F-357A, but please check before
ordering one.  They are also in short supply.  The ID no that they return to
dos at startup can be found in the 2.04 include files.  They basically spin at
150 rpm instead of 300 whenever a HD disk is inserted, allowing twice as much 
data to be written out in one rotation.

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From: jgodfrey@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jon David "JET" Godfrey)
Subject: Re: A4000 -- _EC_ 040?!
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:13:47 GMT

In article <35125@cbmvax.commodore.com> mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:
>swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur) writes:
>>I've heard that the 4000 comes with an _EC_ 040 chip in it.
>>
>>Someone (in a position to do it) please deny this.  Not having an MMU or an
>>_FPU_ in the 4000 would be - bad.
>>
>>The fact that (if this is true) this is being glossed over in all the
>>release information, also does not bode well.
>>
>>So, if you know _for_sure_ (pplz from Commodore?), tell us so...
>
>This is *not* true.  The 68040 in the A4000 is the full-blown chip.
>The one that costs $800 if you buy just one of them.  The one that runs
>floating point *very* fast.  The one with those funky new MMUs.
>

This can be both good and bad.  From the hardware architects point of view, and
from many others--the '040 can handle the extensive math stuff fine.   Its speed
is very capable of most needs.

Problems do arise on the programmers end for those programs that they have 
written that rely EXTENSIVLY on the math processors.  The lack of the math
processor with the 040 requires rewrites and/or additional code to the existing
programs in order to make them 040 compatible.

My good friend, and CEO for MegageM (Fractal Pro, Neural Net,...) found that outthe hard way.  To say the least, he wasn't to impressed by the removal of the
math module.

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From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Hard disk throughput speed ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:19:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <copes.716015341@marsh>, copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes...
>msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
> 
>>What kind of throughput can I expect from a stock A3000?  How about the
>>numbers for a GVP combo accelerator (do they make an '040 based combo)
>>using their scsi interface and an aftermarket drive?  Finally, what is
>>the fastest throughput possible today on an A3000 and by what means?
> 
>>Thanks,
>>M. Snider
>>msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
> 
>My A3000 25/50 with 6 megs fastram runs around 850K/sec to 1M/sec depending
>on disk usage and fragmentation.  Thats set up with 100 buffers and the stock
>Quantum 52LPS drive.  Sling in a Quantum 240LPS and you can expect around
>1.3-1.6 M/sec, sustainable.  GVP's 040 for the A3000 doesn't have a scsi
>controller onboard, even if it did it would be slower than the standard one
>unless it was a FAST scsi-II controller.  
>Dave Haynie said they have a Maxtor Magic drive in the C= software department
>that runs 3.9M/sec through the filesystem and 4.2M/sec direct to the driver.
>I don't know what particular drive this is.  Perhaps Dave could post the
>model no. for us :-)
>The A3000 scsi controller is probably the fastest scsi controller you'll find
>on anything under $10000.
> 
>--
>copes@cs.curtin.edu.au

I think that you should expect around 1.4 to 2.3 MBytes/s (depending on which 
track the r/w head is on the harddisk since the Quantum LPS120/240 use variable
"bytes per track", the outer tracks contain more bytes than the inner ones).
This is the throughput that scsispeed (4.2?) reports on my machine (A2000 w/
2630 and HardFrame, Quantum LPS120S with 250 buffers). The diskspeed results
vary of course since it depends on the fragmentation of your harddisk etc.
After a backup and restore (-> not fragmented) with approx. 3800 files and 
66% full (-> due to the way the filesystem writes on the harddisk -> first empty
space somewhere in the outer tracks with more bytes), I get up to 1.9 MB/s 
create, 1.7 MB/s write (why do I get better performance during creation?), and
2.1 MB/s read.
Since an internal verify takes exactly as long as reading the entire harddisk
with readblocks (69 seconds) I assume that the controller keeps up with the
harddisk, therefore, the A3000 controller should also keep up (however with more
available cpu time due to its wider and faster bus system (A2000 -> zorroII bus,
A3000 scsi adapter "controller" -> internal A3000 bus)

238766 blocks * 512 bytes/block = 116.6 MBytes
116.6 MB / 69s = 1.7 MB/s average (over entire disk)

			Christian

P.S.: I assume that an internal verify does not take any longer than
      a raw read since the LPS120/240 always checks the checksum of the
      blocks they read.
From: hribnak@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Jim Hribnak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Pioneer 6 CD changer
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:12:24 MST
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

Greetings,
 
I would like information about a Pioneer 6 Pack CD ROM drive that can be hooked
to the Amiga via the SCSI port!  I need to know the following:
 
Price
Where to purchase it from
Drivers
does it need its OWN scsi card or can it use the GVP accell scsi
Can the disks be changed via software (I want it for my BBS)

And anything else on the matter would GREaTLY help my efforts!!!


Email me only.. I dont get into this group often..

hribnak@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: aga chipset
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:34:52 GMT

In <35130@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>flawlessly).  They also sent me a memory board, so I have 20MB of Fast RAM in
>my A2500.  Don't tell me you wire-wrapped a Fast RAM board for your hand made
>Lucas board, did you :-)

No, but I did :-)

Regards,
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From: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu (Devin E. Parsons)
Subject: AdSpeed Info
Reply-To: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:08:05 GMT

Does anyone use the ADSpeed 14Mhz card?  

How does it work, and how fast is it really??  Does anyone use it with
a A1000??  I would really like some info!  Post or email to:
                                           TAA33@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
Subject: 4000
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:19:54 GMT


Well, for what it's worth, I just got this info from a local dealer.  He
had just received the info via fax (circa 2:30pm eastern time).

      - '040 running at 25mhz

      - standard graphic modes up to 1280x400 (more with overscan)

      - up to 256,000 colors from a 16.8 million color palette

      - 120 meg hard drive  (yes, connected to IDE on board controller)

      - 2 megs chip ram

      - 6 megs fast ram expandle to 16 meg using SIMMS

      - NTSC 15/31 hz scan rate switchable

      - AmigaDOS 3.0 including crosstalk(for reading and writing IBM PC
                                         formatted files)

      - 150 watt power supply

      - 4 Zorro III slots, 3 PC AT slots

      - 3 1/2" 880k floppy drive

      
Apparently they'll be offering an optional SCSI controller.  He didn't
know any more than this.  If anyone knows more info, like how many
colors at 640x480 (overscan), hurry up and post, will ya!!!


suggested retail is $3699.00.     BTW didn't C= buy the rights to DCTV a
while back?  And if so what are they using it for (paperweight?)?  It
sure doesn't seem to be in the new box...

M. Snider
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com



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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:56:00 GMT

In <65745@cup.portal.com> Aurelius@cup.portal.com (Mark Christian Barnes) writes:
> Does this mean that the same old Paula chip is used? That would mean
>that floppy disks are still limited to 880k full speed drives. We still
>will not be able to read standard HD (1.44M) floppies! ;-{

The C= HD drive _can_ read standard HD 1.44M floppies (with 1.76MB in Amiga
format). That already did work in the past. What you cannot do is use a
standard IBM type drive and expect it to work in HD mode.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC 4FG Border-less Display??
From: analogki@qed.cts.com (Jeff Robertson)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:36:31 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes:

> My 4FG has no problems at all with neither PAL nor black borders. I've
> heard problems with PAL on the smaller 3FG.
> 
> The 4FG is a nice monitor, though it has a very small screen (compared
> to the size Nec says it has)
 
No borders on the 4FG, eh?!? Damn! I like everything about my 3D except that 
it won't scretch the screen far enough on either side to hide the left/right 
borders (ends up creating a small distortion inthe center of the screen, 
too).  
 
The 4Fg sounds great, accept that I don't think it will work with the 
Amiga's 15.7KHz mode. And, I don't like using interlace mode that much!


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From: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu (Devin E. Parsons)
Subject: Re: A1000, adding harddrive: easy/how?
Reply-To: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.013303.9810@umr.edu>, dminer@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Dan Miner) writes:
>	I'm been searching around and may have found
>an A1000.  I've been away from the Commodore too long. :)
>Anyway, how easy would it be to add a HD to it?  I got
>the monitor solved (my old 1702 from 64 days).  It has
>512k ram.  This is really small.  Any external memory
>that doesn't cost an arm and leg?  I'm a poor college student. :)
>
>Any info on expansion in general too.. :)
>	(like floppy drives... :)
>
>Dan Miner
>
>
Dan,

	I have a A1000 (very old SN about 5000) and I have a StarBoard II
with 2 megs and a StarDrive controller in the same small unit.  It is
hooked up to a Q105 and works GREAT!  I know the StarDrive is still
being sold by MicroBotics for about 35 or $40 (a real deal), but you
would have to find the SB2 used.  I really love the setup and just ordered
an AdSpeed that will come to me Monday (so they say).  Can't wait!!!
If you have more specific questions just email me at  TAA33@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU

                             Devin
From: sjhill@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Basic A600 questions.
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:53:01 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand


A few questions on the A600.

 Exactly what (physical) size hard drive can be fitted ?

 Will any old IDE drive (of the right size) fit ?

 That's about it for now.


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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: ALICE
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:17:14 GMT

dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.045808.3129@ultb.isc.rit.edu> tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>	Does anyone have the low down on the supposed ability of Alice to
>>address 4 megs of chip ram and how/when this will be implented and why this
>>			Todd Major

>I second this question, is there 4 megs of chip ram in the near future of 
>the Amiga 4000? It seems important given the new color capabilities and
>RAM that they will require.

4 Megs of chip ram will blow ZorroII compatibility out the door.  Don't expect
to see it till they remove or modify this in the ZorroIII specs, which will
also require a new buster and other bits.
And they won't do it till a decent amount of useful ZorroIII cards exist, 
starting with their own SCSC-II card and mem board to prompt 3rd party 
companies to support it.

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From: vic@cd.com (Vic Serbe)
Subject: Re: GVP memory question...
Keywords: how?
Organization: Central Data Corp., Champaign, IL
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.200909.6918@en.ecn.purdue.edu> bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis) writes:
>I'm considering getting myself a GVP G-Force 030 Combo-25/1 or 40/4
>but I'd like to know a little more about the memory arrangement...
>
>The 25/1 comes with 1Mb and is expandable to 13Mb with the addition of
>three SIMMs.
>
>The 40/4 comes with 4Mb and is expandable to 16Mb with the addition of
>three SIMMs.
>
>The question is, how are they doing this?  Consider the 25/1.  Initially,
>it has one meg with it.  Is it 8, 16, or 32-bit wide?  How do (or CAN)
>they combine a 1Mb memory with 4Mx24 to achieve 32-bit wide memory??  I
>suspect the board doesn't really use 32-bit wide memory, and thus I am
>hesitant to purchase it.

I have the 25/1, but it's now a 25/5, because I added 1 4MB SIMM. GVP
has custom SIMMs. They're custom because EACH SIMM is 32 bits wide.
The good news, is that memory upgrades are easy. You don't have to
worry about how many SIMMs of what type to get to add a certain amount
of memory. The bad news, is they're custom and there's only one place
to get them. The consolation prize, is that, per meg, they're not that
much more expensive than PC memory (the commodity part price guide
:]).

>Next consider the 40/4.  Is the 4Mb initially present 32-bit wide?  If

Yes. All GVP accelerator memory is 32bits wide. Period.

>so, does the addition of three SIMMs reconfigure the board (perhaps
>with a jumper change) such that this memory is then part of a 32-bit wide
>block of 16Mb?  This is strange!

The Amiga has an 8MB limitation for shared memory, but the 030/040
cards make use of local memory that they call extended memory. The
shared memory is the only place a hard disk controller can DMA
directly into, but ALL the local memory can be used by the 030/040 for
applications. There is a special case with GVP in which their own SCSI
cards can DMA into their own extended memory, but that's a benefit
specific to GVP (as far as I know).

Remember, it's the 68000 that has the 16MB limit on memory size, not
the 030/040. Anything local to the 030 is usable by the 030. The
shared part of the Amiga is 8MB of application address space, 2MB of
chip address space, and 6MB of (I think) (custom chip register) space.

>What's going on here?  If someone could help me out, I'd appreciate it!
>I certainly don't want to get stuck with an 030 board using any non-32-bit
>memory design. 

You won't. GVP is the best choice you could make for the Amiga (IMHO).
I've got one of their Series II SCSI cards and the forementioned 25/5
GForce (that way, I've got hard disk for 68K, too). I have run them
both under 1.3 and now 2.04 with NO problems. I'm a satisfied
customer.

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From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A3000 local bus
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:11:20
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Since CPU/local slot in the 3000 is based on the 030 bus, then all 040
cards must adapt its bus to that standard, correct?

Now assuming that C= has not produced two different 040 cards, is the
connector ("Kel from Hell'?) and bus in the A4000 the same as in the 3000?

If so, a 030 card for lower end would be fairly easy without having
bus translation to do.  Then, would it not be easier to make a EC030
card for the lowest model computer than make an 020 card?

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: SOLVED!!!! Reboot with 1.3 using SetCpu under 2.04
Keywords: SetCpu ROM
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:24:10 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep3.093228.11631@actrix.gen.nz> keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) writes:
>In article <34845@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>> Maybe that's your problem.  The lastest SetCPU is V1.60.  If you have a later
>> one, there's a real good change it's bogus.

>PROBLEM FIXED!!! I downloaded SetCpu 1.60 and everything is great. Setcpu 1.62
>is no longer in use. I don't know what it did but something was screwy. I got
>the setcpu 1.62 off a ftp archive. I thought someone must of changed the verdsion
>number = weird = 

>Whats the correct length of SetCpu 1.60 file Dave?

"List" reports that SetCPU V1.60 is 28,708 bytes long.

While the SetCPU source code has been placed in the public domain, I hope that
everyone out there realizes that doesn't give anyone permission to go and 
build their own programs called "SetCPU".  You can use the SetCPU sources in
any way you like, but at least change the name, though I would appreciate that
any such new things mention that they're based on SetCPU.  Common sense would
dictate this -- you have no idea if I'll be releasing new SetCPUs, nor what
version names they would use.  Not only that, but if you think you can use the
SetCPU name in some new version, chances are others will as well.

I would appreciate someone sending me copies of any of these later SetCPUs.
Also, if you see this SetCPU V1.61 or V1.62 up on your BBS, please delete it
as it's obviously flawed in some way that the real one isn't.
-- 
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From: Anders_Lattermann@p24.f231.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Anders Lattermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: CanonBJ10 driver on StarSJ48
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:16:25 GMT
Reply-To: Anders_Lattermann@p24.f231.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Anders Lattermann)
Organization: PointBreak, Kallhall, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: All

Has anyone used the CanonBJ10 driver sucesfully on the StarSJ48 printer. from 
what I know they should be the same but the dip switches are labeled different.
I can+t print italics and the download doesn+t want to work.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance 

/Anders Lattermann

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InterNet: Anders_Lattermann@p24.f231.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se

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From: SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU
Subject: Anyone used META4 or other MEM board in Trumpcard?
Organization: UW-Parkside
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:17:53 GMT

I am wondering if anyone has used either the META4 or some other MEMORY
expansion in the TRUMCARD 500 ?  Could you drop me a line and let me know
which one ?
Thanks in Advance,
Doug McKeown
DMCKEOWN@vm.uwp.edu