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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Were the coaches the difference? (was Re: Duke/Michigan)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:15:39 GMT

clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy) writes:
>While these guys are either as quick or quicker than Hurley, they are not
>bigger than him (significantly at least.)  One of the complaints about
>Hurley is that he is too short.  Well you ahve just listed a number 
>of point guards who are either slightly taller than him or shorter.

	KJ is listed at 6'1", Hardaway at 6'0".  Along with Webb, Williams,
	and Bogues, I'd say all are quicker than Hurley.  Hurley's listed
	at 6'0", but I'd say he's more like 5'10" or 5'11".

>I would tend to say that he has some of the best stamina of anyone in
>college ball.  He regulalry plays all forty minutes plus
>any over times.  There are not many instances where you see his
>play drop because he is tired.  

	That's great over 36 games, but what about an extended 82 game NBA
	season where the games are longer, and there are tougher road trips?
	It's much harder when U spend a lot of the time on the road, not just
	physically, but emotionally and mentally as well.  I don't think anyone
	will expect Hurley to play 30-35 minutes right off the block in the
	NBA, so I don't think that will be a factor.

>This is not true.  Of the point guards that you have mentioned only
>Mugsy is stockier than Hurley.  He might not look stocky on TV, but
>his is very broad and strong.

	Well, looking at the likes of Kevin Johnson and Tim Hardaway, I'd
	say both look noticeably stronger than Hurley.  Plus, both of the
	above can really jump.  How times have we seen KJ drive the lane
	and dunk over centers?  

>This is of course ideal.  I would not be surprised; however, to
>see san Antonio pick hin up in the middle of the first round.
>(between 10 and 20).  They are in sore need of a point guard.  
>Currently, Vinnie Del Negro is their point guard and Hurley will
>surely be much better than him.  It also is a good fit with
>Robinson in the middle.   You could build a Hurley-Robinson
>connection similar to Stockton-Malone.  WIth Robinson, 
>San Antonio needs a quick point guard who can penetrate
>and get the ball to the Admiral.  Hurley fits this bill perfectly.

	Hurley would fit well in San Antonio, especially since it's Tark
	and a run-n-gun game.  It would work well with Daniels, because they
	could bring in Lloyd to shake things up on offense w/ his size.
	However, if the Spurs gear it up and get better later this season,
	don't expect them to get too high of a pick.

	Jazzy J

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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: SWC observations
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:49:41 GMT

When I moved out here from ACC-land a couple of years ago, I thought
it would be a cold day in hell before I started following SWC
basketball.  Well, now I've really got no choice, since there's
nothing else to watch and I don't have the time to visit sportsbars as
much as I used to.  Anyway, here's my observations on the SWC so far
(hurry up while it lasts!).

The papers here touted Texas and Houston as running all over the rest
of the conference.  I beg to differ.  Houston is QUITE impressive,
much more than I thought.  They made an impresssive second-half
stomping of DePaul, and stayed in the game versus UNC.  Texas, on the
other hand, was totally humiliated at the hands of the Tar Heels.
Rice had an impressive opening loss against Michigan and has handed U-Dub
as loss as well (not sayinmg much, but it says something).  

SMU held surprising close to Tulane, but I know little about the team
to really say much.  The SWC has a lot of new faces and new coaches,
so anything is possible.  A&M should be another cellar-dweller.

My SWC predictions.  They're not based on much (I'll watch an
NCSU-Clemson matchup over an SWC game given the choice) but here they
are:

1.  Houston
2.  Rice
3-7 who cares.  watch SMU and Baylor.  Texas may disappoint.
8   A&M

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:34:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz9I9M.7Cy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:

>	??  Hurley is better than 40% from three-point range, career.  What 
>more do you want?

	Close.  I looked it up.  Hurley shot .357, .404, and .421 his
	first 3 years in college ball.  That's a total of .397.

	Jazzy J

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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: Best Maryland BBall players
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 20:54:17 GMT

All-time U of Maryland 1st Team:

F - Buck Williams
F - Len Bias
C - Tom McMillen
G - John Lucas
G - Brad Davis

2nd Team:

F - Walt Williams
F - Albert King
C - Len Elmore
G - Tony Massenburg
G - Can't remember his name, but I do remember he was about 6'5" and real
    skinny and played for them in the early 80's pre-Bias.  Good outside
    shooter with poor shot selection.  Sorry, that's all I can remember.
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - NorthEast
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:10:26 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


Corey Albano              6-7  WF  Toms River, NJ                Monmouth
Elijah Allen              5-11 PG  Newark, NJ                    Fairleigh Dickinson
Randy Encarnacion         6-0  PG  Bayonne, NJ                   Marist
Heshimu Evans             6-5  WF  Bronx, NY                     Fairleigh Dickinson
Lucas Pisarczyk           6-7  C/F Astoria, NY                   Marist
Charles Smith             6-6  PF  Boothwyn, PA                  Rider

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From: 16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor)
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
Organization: Gallaudet U.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:06:23 GMT

In article <92347.170823RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.003244.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
> 16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor) says:
>>In article <92344.183440RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po
>><RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
>>writes:
>>> When you combine both men and women's basketball....it's easy to see -
>>> THE BIG 10 CLEARLY IS THE TOUGHEST LEAGUE (COMBINED) IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>        I don't think so.  The Atlantic Coast Conference is the Nation's
>>Toughest conference (Both sexes)
>>        MEN                                     WOMEN
>>        No. 1  Duke                             No. 4  Virginia
>>        No. 6  North Carolina                   No. 7  Maryland
>>        No. 8  Florida State                    No. 19 North Carolina
>>        No. 17 Georgia Tech                     No. 28 Clemson
>>        No. 33 Wake Forest                      No. 33 Georgia Tech
>>        No. 49 Virginia                         No. 40 North Carolina State
>>        Rob, more to challenge?  Uh-huh?
> Ricky, okay!  I like challenges!!!  ACC is definitely No. 2 - not No. 1
> I'll defend my point saying that the Big 10 is No. 1 overall.
> 
> ACC has 12 teams mentioned in the rankings.  Big 10 has 12 teams mentioned
> in the rankings.  The lower number you are, the better you are.  Duke No. 1 -
> obviously Duke is the best.  So, lowest score wins.  (Example No. 1 + No. 3 =
> 4 points.  Against a No. 2 and No. 6 = 8 points.  The 1 and 3 would be better.)
> By this system the ACC has No. 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 17, 19, 28, 33, 33, 40, 49 which
> equals 245 points.  Now on the Big 10 side :
> 
> MEN                      WOMEN
> No. 3 Indiana            No. 5 Iowa
>     5 Michigan               9 Penn State
>    10 Iowa                  10 Purdue
>    15 Purdue                35 Ohio State
>    18 Michigan State        48 Northwestern
>    28 Ohio State
>    29 Illinois
> 
> This gives the Big 10 teams at No. 3, 5, 5, 9, 10, 10 (Wow - 6 top 10's!), 15
> 18, 28, 29, 35, and 48 = 215 points.  On this system, the Big 10 is 30 points
> better than the ACC.  The ACC is a little short than the Big 10 here.  This is
> why I say the Big 10 is clearly the best conference in combined sexes in
> basketball.  Anybody else care to challenge???

How come Iowa fell to some lowly team like Southwest Missouri State?  It could
be said the same thing about Penn State to Mississippi and James Madison!  
Purdue succumbed to Maryland in semifinals...so more to come...ACC always gave
its best game in NCAA Tourney than in regular season...

Ricky
> ** Rob **
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Dream Game quotes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:03:00 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>This is apt because of the topsy-turvy way Pitino seems to coach: here
>he's got Tony Delk, one of the best shooters in the country playing
>point, a very non-shooting position under Pitino,  and here he tells
>flat footed post playing Gimel that if he doesn't let it fly, he's outta
>here.

	Well, in the case of Delk, I think that Pitino's looking more
	towards his and the team's future -- right now at point guard, the
	corps are very slim, and with Brown and Braddy moving on after this
	season, they're going to need someone to handle the point.  Delk
	is the best bet.  Plus, at 6'2", he isn't going to get much pro
	consideration as a shooting guard.  

	Besides, the point guard isn't totally a non-shooting position
	under Pitino.  Back in his Providence days, it was point guard
	Billy Donovan (the current UK assistant) who would always let fly.
	In fact, he was the team's leading scorer in 86-87 (the final 4 year).
	I guess Ford just hasn't had the shooting mentality he had in high
	school at Madisonville.

>BTW, Delk's got a herkimer-jerkimer arthropod motion on defense that reminds 
>me of somebody else....ok, net, who else had that pre-wish-Pinochio, no-neck 
>way of playing?

	I'm thinking of Roderick "Hot Rod" Barnes who used to play for
	Ole Miss.  The similarities are scary!

	Jazzy J

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: How's UNCC Doing?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:41:24 GMT

In article <BzB7zK.JI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>TRIVIA: Nobody got this one last time, so I'll post it again.  Name the two
>NBA players who went to Enloe High. (Hint: One played for Wake Forest, the
>other for NC State.)

Oh, nobody answered that one before?

That's Danny Young (Detroit) and Nate McMillan (Seattle).
From: bradley@storm.rtp.dg.com (Scott Bradley)
Subject: Re: fab 5's public statements
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:26:24 GMT
Reply-To: bradley@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <xGQ=Dw@engin.umich.edu>, quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.143225.9690@dg-rtp.dg.com> bradley@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com writes:
> >Juwan Howard was quoted in the Durham newspaper that he 'pitied Duke for
> >having to play them again.'  Webber was quoted saying that he 'wished
> >Leattner was still playing for Duke so he could beat up him he some too.'
> >Even after the game Webber said 'Hurley wasn't much of a factor, and
> >Jackson (or King, I don't remember which played defense on Hurley)
> >outplayed him.'  
> >
> >Just give these guys a shovel and they'll dig their own grave.
> >
> >
> 
> FYI:  The media swarms all over these guys.  They even filled the
> practice floor the day before UM left for the Duke game. I've never
> seen such hype.  This was the case last year as well and the Fab 5
> thought it was funny (I'm not sure that they still do).  Thus,
> they tend to make up stuff just to get the media going (i.e. "We're
> planning some dance steps to celebrate our first slam").
>  
> Don't believe for a minute that they're serious.
>  
> --
> Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
> --
> 

Well, the media has been swarming all over Duke for the past 2 years, and you
don't see this kind of statement out of them.  I believe that Michigan just
believes that they are much better than they really are and that nobody else
deserves much respect.  Maybe next time they won't do as much talking, but I 
doubt it.
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: 1993 Final Four
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:46:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Who is going to make this year's Final Four?
Lets see some upset picks, also.

-Will (UNC, Duke, Kansas, Arkansas)
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From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:49:32 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: GEORGETOWN BEAT
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: GTOWN PLAYING CREAMPUFF SCHEDULE

In article <holmess.6.0@columbia.dsu.edu> holmess@columbia.dsu.edu (STEVE W HOLMES) writes:
>I DONT THINK THAT GTOWN HAS A EASY SCHEDULE.  THEY HAVE ONE OF THE PREMIERE 
>BIG MEN FOR INCOMING FRESHMEN IN THE COUNRTY HE WILL MATURE QUICKLY.  I 
>THINK THAT HE WILL BE EWING AND MOURNING ALL IN ONE.  GREAT UNIVERSITY 
>DERRICK. 

Perhaps someone could post the first ten games (or pre-conference) of
Georgetown's schedule and then we could compare it to that of Indiana,
Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Notre Dame, and North Carolina.

My recollection is that they usually schedule teams that could be
considered creampuffs.  Little Sisters of the Poor, Detroit Mercy, etc. 
Coach Thompson likes to beef up the early season W/L stats.  Of course,
it leaves the team unprepared for tough competition later in the season.
Probably makes for dull basketball, too.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:12:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Dec15.152807.27027@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>G G ZIPFEL writes:
>>...
>>A co-worker (the boss's wife) is apparently in a heated debate with others in
>>the building.  She wants to know what a Hoya is, as in Georgetown Hoya.
>
>I don't know. It's all Greek to me.

Or is that Latin?  :-)

It isn't Saxa Hoya (what rocks!)???

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: georgetown beats everyone
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:45:33 GMT
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In-reply-to: holmess@columbia.dsu.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 22:16:15 GMT

MICHAEL is that you? Stop foolin dude!

No smilies for the humor impaired.
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From: gillon@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UMass Roster
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:55:52 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Dec10.213554.9215@jmb2.jmb.com>, lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:
> granowit@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
> : 			UMass Roster
> : 
> : No	Name		Pos	Cl	Ht.	Hometown
> : 
> : 22	Tony Barbee	F/G	Sr.	6'6"	Indianapolis, IN
> 
> I was wondering if anyone out there knows what high school in Indianapolis
> this kid went to, and whether he was highly regarded coming out.  Also, if
> you'll pardon my ignorance regarding things UMASS!!!, is he a contributor
> this season?  Is he a starter?  Just wondering.

Just going from what little I remember from the school, Barbee was one 
of the biggest contributors on the team, if not the biggest. Don't 
take my word for it though, I don't get up there too much anymore.

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: DUKE VS. MICHIGAN AFTER THOUGHT
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:18:58 GMT

In article <4434@cvbnetPrime.COM> csroc@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet) writes:

   From article <28424@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, by swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams):
   >> You would think that Michigan learned the hard way in the NCAA Final 
   >> game last year that Duke was good at drawing charging fouls.  Apparently,
   >> the Michigan players didn't.
   >> 
   >> This makes me wonder if the art of drawing charging fouls is refined
   >> only in ACC (especially by UNC and Duke), or is it just my imagination?


   >I'm not sure about the rest of the country
   >but drawing the charge is a big defensive
   >weapon in New Jersey and vicinity.

   >Coach K and Dean Smith
   >have done a fair amount of recruiting 
   >from this area...maybe the players
   >have taught the coach????

Well, to put this into perspective, Michigan is very bad about
committing charging fouls against anyone they play, whether it's Duke
or Eastern Michigan.




-Alan Harder                
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Bobby Hurley
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:25:13 GMT
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Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec16.225515.5734@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy) writes:
>
>	I know that this whole subject has been posted to death, but Bobby
>Hurley does have (or will get) the stamina to play pro ball. When he was
>in high school he used to run x-country in order to get in shape for
>b-ball. His times were respectable (I think that he broke 18 min. for a 5k
>once or twice, which means he was varsity on an average high school
>team.), but they really don't prove tha he can play pro ball. What they do

You are right, it proves nothing because running cross country and playing
basketball require different types of stamina. Training for hoops by running
cross country is pointless, you are a lot better off running a series of
short(90 feet or less) sprints or just running liners. Thats why coaches
use those seemingly silly drills. The game of hoops is a series of short
sprints and lots of changes of directions.

As a sophomore in highschool I convinced my coach to eliminate the worthless
pre and post practice laps we use to run and got him to substitute sprints
(boy did that make me popular with the bigger slower guys on the team).
To this day, he still does it because he says he notices definite increases
in stamina over the course of a game. I also got him to let us shoot free
throws in scrimmages so we would get gamestyle freethrows(ie. when you
are tired or just got fouled hard).

That said, why is Hurleys stamina being questioned? The guy plays 40
minutes a game of hard nosed defense and pushes the ball up on offense.
I could not play that hard for 32 minutes in highschool, 40 minutes
in college is damn impressive. I have often wondered if Hurley does
aerobics, because the only guys I know with that kind of stamina all
have done aerobics, and if I was a college coach I would hire an aerobics
instructor to work with my team(highschool kids just wont do it, I tried
when I was in school and nobody including the coach would listen).




Russ Smith
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:47:46 GMT

xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
>Get a grip Doc. Even some of the great teams of the 80's couldn't win it
>with decent coaches. Georgetown which pummelled just about everybody
>(including #2 St. John's) in 85-86 could only get the job done.
			      ^^^^^
	Georgetown in 85-86?  U must be thinking of 84-85.  In 85-86, Jackson
	Martin and Ewing all had left, leaving the starting lineup of
	Broadnax, Wingate, Williams, Dalton, and Mateen.  They were solid,
	but got beat by a good Michigan St. team (led by Scott Skiles) in
	the 2nd round.
 
>Even Deano and Bobby could only squeze out one
>championship apiece.

	Deano yes.  But Knight had 2, in '81 and '87.

	Jazzy J

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Subject: Re: Cyclones lie down, play dead (was Re: Big 8 predi
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:59:45 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <michaelv.724363365@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>, michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
>charging calls when the defender was sliding into place and didn't
>even have both feet on the floor;

I think the NCAA has changed this so that the defender doesn't have
to be "set" to take a charge.

Ask OhioU about Big8 refs after the K-State game.
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