HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A New Boom and Bust Theory
Date: 29 Jul 1992 11:26:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <92210.204707IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> 
IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> well, *I* am interested in the size of wimmin's breasts...

I realized today that I wasn't clear as to the nature
of my objection.  The article was about how the size
of women's breasts govern everything men think and do.
I was offended by the hitherto unknown Ms. Levy's 
presumption that sexist material would be welcome here.

--Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: the new innocent
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:04:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.055526.4911@menudo.uh.edu> elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>
>By the way, the article says "heterosexual anal intercourse", doesn't it
>mean male's penis inserts into female's anal?  So where did you get this
>"heterosexual *GAY* Sex" idea???

He said "Gay Sex (TM)", not "Gay Sex."

>Well.... I guess it can mean female brings over a fake penis and insert into
>male's anal, but that's HIGHLY unusual.

Speak for yourself, girl. :-)

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Don't worry, honey, 
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| our skirts are clean."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: new hankie codes?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:04:39 GMT

hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>Bill, who has met gay boys who don't know what hanky codes are

Count me as one of them.  What are they?

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Basket Weaving Engineering (was Re: Engineer bashing)
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:10:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul24.031007.831
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul24.005608.1529@cs.mcgill.ca> akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD) writes:
>If I would rely on school only to provide me with all the knowledge
>I need to succeed or be happy, I'd be in one for the rest of my life.

Now, who has made such an argument?

>I think the division between the scientists and the humanists is artificial 
>and futile.  People who insist on making one should remember that the great
>minds of our time are multi-disciplinary. 

Indeed.  But that's precisely one of the problems in the curriculum
today.  Too much focus on a concentration or a major to the exclusion
(or minimization) of other fields.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: British pronunciation (was: Spanish spelling)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:24:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.235445.16583@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
> > anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
> 
> >>Hampstead          HAF-stid
> >>Golders Green      GOL-gry
> >>Kentish Town       KEN-stn
> >>Westminster        WEN-ster
> >
> >>...and so on.  They believed it, too.
> >
> >I've always wondered if one I heard in high school was in
> >fact legit:
> >
> >Featherstonehaugh	FAN-shaw
> 
> Correct.  And don't forget:
> 
> Cholmondeley    CHUM-ley
> Wriothesley     RIZZ-ley
> Beaulieu        BEW-ley
> Belvoir         BEE-ver

All of which led to an ancient joke (at least, it's older than I am),
about an American visiting British friends who was driven crazy by
this sort of thing, but got even when his British friend visited
*him*. The Brit expressed a desire to visit Niagara Falls; the
American affected profound puzzlement at this name, and eventually
asked his guest to spell it, whereupon he brightened and exclaimed,
"Oh! you mean _Niffles_!"

BTW, on an earlier piece of this thread: the New England namesakes of
English towns are not always pronounced the same way (despite the
obvious Gloucester, Worcester, Leicester, and Leominster). I'm pretty
sure that Shrewsbury, MA is "Shroos'berry", and there's real "ham" in
Framingham and Waltham (but not in Dedham, Needham, or Stoneham; go
figure). And the Thames River in New London, Connecticut is pronounced
"thayms", not "tems".

This doesn't even start to brush the issue of what the locals
*actually* call some of these places: buh-RICK-a (Billerica),
CHEMS-fud (Chelmsford), MEF-fa (Medford) -- although ASCII can't do
justice to New England vowels; I doubt the IPA is good enough.
	Robert
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32284 talk.politics.misc:35537 alt.individualism:4473 alt.activism:13332
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:28:40 GMT

kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:

> Is RFD still in publication?  
> 
> I would appreciate it if someone would e-mail me subscription rates
> and the address to send the money to. 
> 
> Thanks

yep, still is...call me at 1-800-476-3311 (mon-fri EST 9-5ish) ask for Penn
 amd I can mail you a copy
(with credit card etc..) OR you can call 1-800-367-4344 (same hours)
this is a very good subscription service that I use...

(oh, I am a magazine/periodical buyer, we handle about 3,500 titles..)
((resume avail on request!!))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:01:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.142822.18973@news.ysu.edu> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
writes:
>buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>:
>: The Los Angeles Times reported on Friday that Richard Rouillard,
>: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE, the national gay and lesbian bi-weekly,
>: had stunned staffers by resigning on Thursday July 23.
>:
>: No reason was given. Anyone hear about this and have any inside dish?
>:
>I dunno, but my subscription has been VERY erratic, in fact, I've missed
>getting at least one issue since they went perfect-bound.  Their delivery
>wasn't that fantastic in the boonies of NE Ohio anyhow, and their billing
>service for subscriptions also left much to be desired.
>
>I'm seriously considering alternatives (but not sure what).  The "real


My experience both with The Advocate and Richard Rouiliard has been
considerably less than pleasurable.  While one would expect soc.motss to be
quicker than a magazine, stuff in The Advocate is frequently a *month* old.
Yee ha.  Plus, their reporting - and opinion pieces - are too frequently
chuck full of errors, for which they are unrepentent.  I stopped buying the
mag in October becuase they refused to treat Amnesty International with
anything approaching fairness.  I did buy the one with k.d. on the cover
because of an article on the death penalty - only to find out one of their
dykes was straight.  Yet more proof, to me, NOT to buy The Advocate.
Personally, I am glad that he resigned - assuming the mag does not go
completely under, maybe we'll see a more professional publication.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:10:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.191020.29010
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) writes:
: It's called "Go to a Liberal Arts College" - I know, I'm at one. I'm CIS, 
: but the mind reels at the humanities and arts classes I'm required to 
: take.

Colleges which teach humanities on a level higher than "basketweaving"
are generally thought to be _good_ places.  What's your problem with it?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky soc.motss:33307 alt.sex.motss:1070
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: Hi. I'm Dave.
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

>>Hello, my name is David Thompson, and I think I speak for homosexuals
[*Deleted*]
>>Gay Rights Forever!  Wake up America!
>> 
>
>Hi.  I assume this is your first posting; I welcome you.  
>	I agree with you that we GLBs should have equal rights and shouldn't be
>so discriminated.  However, I started to notice some of us are indirectly
>discriminating ourselves from the rest of the straight world.  Just today,
>I received a e-mail as a responds to one of my replied posting.  That mailer
>said something like "I wouldn't kiss straight people's ass just to hold my
>boyfriend in public," and all I had said was we had been advocating the 
>public to accept us as who we are.
>	I didn't bother to reply back because I don't need junk flame mails
>like that in my account.  So I just simply deleted it.
>	Anyway, my point is... as long as we discriminate ourself from the
>straight world either consciously or unconsciously, we will always be
>discriminated.  We need to work WITH the straight world, not AGAINST it.
>	I would LOVE to crosspost this posting to soc.bi to see what they
>think about this, but I don't know how.  )-8
>
>Ken
>
Thanks to Dominick (anthropo@carina.unm.edu) and Michael (guest on
dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu) for supporting my statements.

Just for that, *smack* on the cheeks to both of you (-8.

Hey Michael, your opinion statements are beautiful!!! Since you said "you can
quote me all you want," I am going to quote everything you said here.

Michael stated (e-mailed it to me):

	The one thing that many gay activists have forgotten is that straight
	people are not automatically our enemies.  When you meet a person for
	the first time, they are neither, tabula rasa.  So instead of greeting 
	them with the closed fist of anger that you would to an enemy, greet
	them with an open hand, as a potential ally.

Dominick, give one of your "bravo (brava?)" to Michael, OK?  (-8
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:40:00 GMT

eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) writes:
: JP>However, I do believe that both science/technical students
: JP>and humanities students need more exposure to things out of
: JP>their fields.  I recently listened (with what I'm now sure was a 
: 
: It's called "Go to a Liberal Arts College" - I know, I'm at one. I'm CIS, 
: but the mind reels at the humanities and arts classes I'm required to 
: take.
:               

<sigh> 


Kathy 
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32680 talk.politics.misc:36192 alt.individualism:4642 alt.activism:13588
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:34:00 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> It's much more likely that I can understand your life than you
|> can understand mine.  First of all, heterosexuals are in full
|> display just about everywhere we look - on television, film,
|> on the street.  We are forced to notice, to watch, to be aware
|> of how you do things.  Secondly, many of us *lived* your life
|> in many ways.  I grew up a white upper-middle-class male.  I had
|> girlfriends.  I wasn't an identifiable "fag".  I had all the
|> assumed benefits that go along with that role.  And then I came
|> out, and I found that I could be fired, be kicked out of where
|> I lived, be attacked and beaten, and abandoned by people I thought
|> were my friends.  You have *no* *idea* what making that transition
|> is like. 
|>
So what.  This is the same argument that blacks use that whites cannot
understand what it is liked to be black.  Sure it is true.  But just
because I can't know what it is like to be gay, doesn't mean I can't 
support your cause.  If this were extended to blacks and no whites
had supported their cause, they would be even worse off that they
are today.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Organization: Stanford University
	<l7b8j4INN31o@mizar.usc.edu>
	<ROBERTL.92Jul28142016@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
	<l7blf5INN7sl@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:28:35

In article <l7blf5INN7sl@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

   |[Bob] I agree that in this case the actions taken by the city seem
   | appropriate.  But the above actions are quite different from the "love
   | it or leave it" rhetoric you've used.

   How often do I have to repeat that I was tired and cranky or that
   I was irritated when I wrote that?

It seemed to me that in your response to Jess you were defending that
rhetoric.  If you aren't, we don't have much to argue about.

   | > Maybe I'm too cynical for my own good, but I firmly believe that the 
   | > justice of an argument counts for nothing without some power to back
   | > it up.
   |
   | Then there really is no difference between our arguments and the
   | arguments of our enemies that is not due to the different power
   | levels of the respective groups?  How can you possibly believe that?

   I don't believe it.  I never said it.  I have said -- three, four
   times now -- that THE JUSTICE OF AN ARGUMENT ALONE COUNTS FOR 
   NOTHING if what you want to do is effect some political change.
   What is needed is a just argument AND political power.

Ah.  You are using the phrase "counts for nothing" to mean
"politically irrelevant", while I was taking it to mean "irrelevant."
It was most unclear exactly what you did mean by "counts for nothing"
in your earlier posts.  That large difference accounts for most of the
misunderstanding, I think.

BTW, to effect political change all that is necessary is power.  A
just argument is unnecessary, although it can be helpful.

- Bob
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:17:14 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Gesso Anderson:

(sorry about the name, I have Liquitex on the brain)

>Whaddya mean, "seem to be" -- they *are better organized,
>*lots* better.

Again I ask: why is this?  Especially here, in SF?  As you wrote:

>Too many are ignorant, uncaring, self-absorbed, and a host
>of such-like reasons.

I am increasingly inclined to agree.  Are there any "loose" statistics,
guesses, etc. on what percentage of the gay population votes?  Or "vot",
as our Vice President might spell it.

[words of encouragement deleted]

>Wish I'd been there to sip a Suze witchas, toots.  Many
>happy returns (of the 24 Divisidero).

The Suze awaits you, Father Wisdom.  As does a great meal to wash it down
with.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: I Need Some Help Guys !
From: mediaboard@otago.ac.nz
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:20:10 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Gidday,
 
 I'm seeking news/information stuff for use in the Gay/Lesbian news bulletin
that I am involved in as news editor at the local student radio station in
Dunedin, New Zealand. If anyone out there has stuff that you feel might be of
interest to our listening audience I'd be really grateful to recieve it from
time to time.Naturally if anyone wants any information or just todo some
"networking" in return- that's cool by me, so let me know!
  Chris Munro 
  Radio One 91FM
  P.O. Box 1436      OR       < mediaboard@otago.ac.nz >
  Dunedin
  New Zealand
From: sik@cci632.cci.com (Shawn Kammerdiener)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The sexiest man on TV
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:42:54 GMT
Organization: CCI

In article <1992Jul20.180850.28179@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>yeah dave, and idiots who begin by telling us they're straight
>usually find the mines first!  no smileys; no humor.

>Queer Without A Cause!
>"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
>right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon

	Does anyone find the two statements above to be somewhat conflicting
or is it just me. Human behaviour should include the notion that someone
is not an idiot simply beacuse they are strayt, no more than someone is
a pervert simply because they are gay.

	Jason, at least he was up front about his orientation. I would rather
have someone here who is strayt and trying to learn, than one who is gay
and has a closed and forever ignorant mind.

Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are
unoccupied by the verities of knowledge - Horace Mann
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:20:23 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <bdfmbmj.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.233714.6607@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>>: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson) wrote: 
>>:Yup, both.  I work for NASA during the day and teach night classes for the
>>:Tidewater Virginia branch of St. Leo College, a fully accredited 4-year
>>:institution.
>>: 
>>why is it that...they assume that those using words longer than two syllables
>>are doing it only to make an impression?
>
>What other reason would there have been?   I wondered why Ann thought she
>had to tell us it was accredited.

It's probably come to be part of the name, you know, like "Rutgers, the
State University of New Jersey."

--
       David R. Preston  drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
          We're here, we're bored, but we won't be ignored!
   B4 f+ t- k+ s-/+ r P8/4 S6 b+/- g- l-/+ y- z/! n o+/++ x a+ u v-- j++
          D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Results from the Con Part I
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:49:23 GMT
 <1992Jul29.211125.24594@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

those who are not at the con get dropped from the cabal?
no fair.  *pout*
                                       -ailsa

p.s. so, where are we having it next year?  how about...
bangor, maine???  *grin*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: The sexiest man on TV
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:38:09 GMT

kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) wrote: 
->In article <17087@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
->
->>I heard that ["Star Trek: The Next Generation" 's Patrick] Stewart is
->>straight.
->
->I heard differently. Supposedly Stewart, Michael Dorn, and Levar Burton are
->all gay.

oh, yeah?  i heard that winston churchill and george bush were gay
(see?  edith cresson *was* right!)

seriously: who gives a fuck?

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Happy! Happy!  Joy! Joy!  News from Tom's Parents
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:12:52 GMT

(Background:  I'm out to my parents.)

I decided to to mention the AIDS Quilt and the MOW93 a lot around my
parents so that it won't be a big shock to them when I ask them to go
with me.  (evil grin)

When I mentioned the AIDS Quilt and started to explain it my mother
interupted me and said, "Oh we know what THAT is.  We watched that TV
show a couple weeks ago."   We talked about it a little and I hinted
that they should come see it next time it comes around and they seemed
to like the idea.

YEA!

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
      Maybe Bush will follow Perot's lead.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:02:31 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.210715.4114@wam.umd.edu>, aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul24.171336.24814@amhux2.amherst.edu>,  
|> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|> 
|> >Yes.  If they do not actively and visibly reject it and work to eliminate
|> >it, every minute of every day, you are recreating it and are to blame for
|> >it.  Becuase you benefit from it, you are more responsible to fix it than
|> >thise who are not.  Are you too stupid to understand the difference
|> >between responsibility and blame?
|> 
|> However, lets suppose that there is a white-heterosexual-male who actively  
|> opposes segregation and all the other things. He still is a  
|> white-heterosexual-male. And, if we keep generalization, he is still to  
|> blame for what he is working to change.

Maybe you should re-read what Tim said until you understand
it.  Perhaps you should have done it *before* you posted.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:59:02 GMT

also, (this was only a one-shot, not sure if it 'counts')
Harvey Feinstein (sp??) played Rebecca (on Cheers) ex-boyfriend who had since
come out and was openly gay...


speaking of Harvey- was there Not a gay character on The Simpsons? (it was Harvey's
voice I believe, I don't think he 'comes out' but during a later sequence (I think)
the same character is seen dancing with a MAN....motss by default?
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Lost Language of Cranes question
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:06:38 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I've watched the Lost Language of Cranes twice now, and I really liked
it. I experienced a feeling of gayspace, a thing I'm only now getting
used, and never before on television! I sat there watching this
soap-opera like show for 90 minutes, only the characters' lives were
actually relevant to me. It seemed so natural that I only realized
later that the event was unusual.

There's one niggling little thing that's getting to me, though. What
do the various language vignettes have to do with the story of the
family?

The only thing I could think is that there was a common theme of loss
of private language in the twin and crane parables. Was this supposed
to parallel a "lost language" between father and son, who never
communicated on the potential basis of their shared homosexuality?

Is this theme better expressed in the book? I hope my guess is wrong,
for the parallel I'm trying to make doesn't really work.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                  Where do you conceal the gun in a bikini?
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