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From: gaf@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Gerald Feldman)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops
Reply-To: gaf@aosg.gsf.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:51:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.171638.14756@osf.org>, kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
|> 
|> In article <PSHUANG.93Jan5193646@ninja.mit.edu>
|> pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang) writes:
|> 
|> >I had *NEVER* heard of the left lane referred to as "the passing lane".
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan6.163909.15020@m5.harvard.edu>
|> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
|> 
|> >That was the convention as I understood it, growing up in New Jersey.  That
|> >rule (actually law, at least in some states) has been conveniently forgotten
|> >by many drivers who like to drive 15 - 30 mph over the speed limit...
|> 
|> Not doubting you, but it's funny you mention that, coming from Jersey, and
|> all. Every time I go thru Jersey, it amazes me to see how *everybody*
|> immediately gravitates to the leftmost lane, no matter what. I was able to
|> do a sustained 80 because the two right lanes on the GSP were empty, while
|> the leftmost lane was moving at 60-65. Jersey drivers come here (as evidenced
|> by plates, anyway) and do the same thing.
|> 
|> Noone in Connecticut can drive. Period. The anti-driver stance of the CT
|> gubmint must have taken away whatever spirit they had.
|> 
|> 	-Kenny
|> 
|> -- 
|> Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
|> OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
|> kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
|> 	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.

-- 
In Massachusetts, the passing lane is any lane that you can squeeze your
car through including the breakdown lane, and even non-paved shoulders.
I have had cars pass me on RT 3 (north of 128) in the median where I was
driving at least above 70.  Also, the minimum speed from Burlington to
Tyngsborough is 70.
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Newsgroups: ne.general,ny.general,misc.invest
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: Recommendations for home insurance --Phone # corrected
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:56:02 GMT

rich@aoa.aoa.utc.com writes:

>Seeking recommendations for agent/provider of home insurance.
>What we are looking for would be:

>           o Convenient to Cambridge....
>           o Have a better service rating than....

Why don't you just call John Hancock Insurance in nearby Newton
at 617-969-9830.  My agent, Nancy Davis, could put you in touch
with the appropriate people there.  (She is currently specializing
in Hancock tax-deferred annuities.)

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: gp@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gerald Pulver)
Subject: Re: ne.singles? (was Re: ne.personals?)
Reply-To: gp@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gerald Pulver)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:07:43 GMT

In article <DRG.93Jan4122445@candidus.ma30.bull.com> drg@candidus.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R. Guilderson) writes:
>I agree.  There should be a ne.singles rather than a ne.personals so
>that there will be a place to discuss and announce singles activities.
>However, I think there should also be a group called ne.personals.ads
>which in theory would be a write-only group where people can post
>personal ads.

What is a 'write-only' group? Wouldn't seem very useful.

BTW, I'm in favor of ne.singles and/or ne.personals, so long as "ne" is
taken to mean "North East".
From: sklarew@bass.bu.edu (daniel sklarew)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: ne.companions? (was Re: ne.singles && ne.personals.ads)
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: sklarew@bass.bu.edu (daniel sklarew)
Followup-To: ne.general
Organization: Boston University

Brief summary for newcomers:

>      spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>      I don't think the likely level of traffic warrants two groups.
>      I suggest creating ne.singles and if it becomes overrun with
>      personal ads then think about ne.personals or ne.personals-ads
>

Someone's reply:
>Ads are
>extremely annoying to people who simple want to discuss things and it
>is a pain to wade through discussions when all you really want is to
>read ads.  I don't think the lack of traffic will be an issue for very
>long.  And when the traffic finally does get to be a problem it is
>difficult to get people to adjust to the creation of a new group.

>I think most of the participants in this discussion
>are looking for a place for singles to gather not a place for "mates"
>to gather.

*** Ok., here's my point: I originally suggested the ne.personals
*** newgroup for reasons not too different from this "mates" argument.
*** Although I am not anti-social, I have never been into the meet/meat
*** singles scene. :(
*** 
*** So, while I may not find a mate, I *am* interested in creating a
*** a local newsgroup which could help people who are not getting what
*** they want from the singles scene (no flames please) -- those ISO
*** personal contact with people of similar interests/pursuits & locality.
(Is that really so sleazy?)

Enough  stars  (sorry  'bout  that).   The  first  person  to  propose
ne.singles appeared to  have much different objectives.  I tentatively
agree  with "Someone's reply"  above that we are  really talking about
distinct audiences and formats for each newsgroup.

Spike,  could  you (or anyone else) suggest  how we  might clearly and
cordially combine  these groups?  If this  appears unlikely, could  we
possibly start with 2 and just kill  the  one  that has  fizzled in  6
months?  

				SM ISO ne.companions . . . (!)

(ne.ISO   ne.friendship    ne.date-line    ne.party-line    ne.company
ne.saturday-night   ne.hugs   ne.brew   ne.the-scene   ne.codependents
ne.members-only           ne.sgt.peppers           ne.make-me-an-offer
ne.whisk-me-away-from-this-darn-terminal, etc.)
From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Home Alarm Systems
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:54:30 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc. / Waltham, MA

fmrco!msommer@uunet.uu.net (Mark Sommer) writes:
>We bought a house this summer equipped with an alarm system from
>American Alarm.
>Any advice from alarm owners out there?

I installed my own alarm last year when there were a number of burglary
incidents.  I've never really been tempted to use an alarm monitoring
service, especially after an incident a few months ago:

I was sitting at my desk at work when the phone rang.  It was my alarm
system's phone-dialer, so I called my boyfriend at his workplace (he
was a lot closer to home at the time).  He called police, who showed
up at the house about three minutes later.  The police officer found
my upstairs neighbor at the front door carrying a shotgun, and had him
get his firearm ID while they determined there was nothing amiss with
my apartment.  Then the upstairs neighbor grabbed a large knife and
went around to the back stair.  He pushed against the (unlocked) back
door to my apartment, setting off the alarm again (and demonstrating a
probable reason for the first alarm) and the police officer met him
around back.  Then he had to explain this huge knife to the officer!

I got a kick out of this story.  Suffice it to say I'm satisfied with the
service I get from the local cops.  (Somerville.)

Dump your alarm "service" company and buy a telephone dialer if it's
not already part of your system.  Set it up to call you and/or someone
else who can be reached most of the time.  If need be, get a beeper;
beepers cost less than alarm service contracts.

-rich
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Channel 68
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:05:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <9301051813.03@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.150926.15191@mips2.ma30.bull.com> mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman) writes:
>>Since we're speaking of tv stations, I noticed that I'm no longer
>>receiving 68.  Is it off the air or is my TV broken?
>
>
>Same here.
>
>-- 
>
>Rick Kelly    rmkhome!rmk@merk.com    merk!rmkhome!rmk    rmk@frog.UUCP

There was a fire at the station; should be back on the air by 1-9 
(this info from my cable co)
-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
Subject: Re: New England Telephone: Reduce your monthly phone bill
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc. / Waltham, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:16:48 GMT

boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) writes:
>>it'll take more than (approx.) 6-8 hours of monthly
>>phone use (in the local area!) to make Unlimited service a good choice.

barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
>you can't have measured service on one and unlimited service on the other.
>I ...  but use my modem an average of about 3 hours per day ($90/month
>at the rate you quoted).

Actually I've found that measured service costs more than you might think.
For a few months after I first moved to Somerville five years ago, I
had unlimited-local service, thinking I didn't use the phone all that much
so I didn't need Metropolitan service.

What they nail you for is multiple message units and even toll fees whenever
you call non-adjoining towns.  I was rather surprised to find that Canton
was tariffed as a toll call from Somerville for measured and unlimited-
local users, but as a local (free) call for Metropolitan service users.
('twas a nasty surprise, too!)

So measured service only makes sense if you don't use the phone much at
all.  Unlimited local service only makes sense if you only use it to
talk to immediate surrounding communities.  Metropolitan service is the
only way to avoid getting hit with 2- and 3-unit calls which rack up
a lot faster than $0.016/minute.

In a multiple-person household, you can't even divvy up the phone bill
fairly if the calls aren't itemized.  Ma Bell has us by the calls, indeed!

-rich
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: New England Telephone: Reduce your monthly phone bill
Organization: The World
	<SPIKE.93Jan7165709@world.std.com> <106444@bu.edu>
	<7593@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:18:23 GMT


I thought the line was: Is this the party to whom I am speaking?

Maybe both were lines.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
	<BZS.92Dec15212827@world.std.com>
	<1992Dec17.153135.8027@dunsel.harvard.edu>
	<CKD.93Jan6220951@loiosh.eff.org> <HROSE.93Jan6223611@rocza.eff.org>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:30:35 GMT


From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
> CKD> Do they?  I seem to remember a Harvard-Longwood bus going up and
> CKD> down Mass Ave a few times ("MetroBus"?)  Does that still run?  Who
> CKD> runs it?  It wasn't a T bus, that's for sure.
>
>From the latest (Orange) "Car Free in Boston" (I can't recommend this
>book enough):

Pardon me for being perhaps a bit out of place...but don't you two sit
right next to each other at EFF?

On the other hand the question and answer were of general interest,
but it makes one wonder...


-- 
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
	<BZS.92Dec15212827@world.std.com>
	<1992Dec17.153135.8027@dunsel.harvard.edu>
	<CKD.93Jan6220951@loiosh.eff.org> <HROSE.93Jan6223611@rocza.eff.org>
	<BZS.93Jan6233035@world.std.com> <MSALETNI.93Jan7085319@jade.tufts.edu>
	<CKD.93Jan7114818@loiosh.eff.org>
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:00:59 GMT


From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
>To answer Barry's original question, yes and no; we sit far enough apart
>that I can't see her screen without pushing my chair around, and, besides,
>she was off doing something else when I posted that.  So there. :)

You have to be able to see her screen to talk to her?

Far be it for me to judge other people's life styles...

-- 
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:15:37 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <SPIKE.93Jan6203456@world.std.com> spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>	In Massachusetts you can only pass on the right on "divided
>highways".  If I recall correctly from driver's ed 10 years ago,
>passing on the right was/is not legal in Rhode Island.

  It is, however, extremely common.  After all, should highway traffic
back up for miles due to the not-uncommon Rhode Island driver who does
50 mph in the leftmost lane?  Unfortunately, laws like that only work
if most people drive reasonably.  As more and more people drive slowly
in the lefthand lanes, it becomes less and less possible to drive safely
while obeying things like the "no passing on the right" law.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
From: rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Home Alarm Systems
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:02:15 -0000
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
NNTP-Posting-Host: calamari.hi.com

In article <9301050946.AA08783@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
>>Would any self-respecting burglar neglect to disconnect the phone lines
>>before entering the house?
>
>Yes.  Some kinds of alarms including one that I used to have here in my
>house set off the alarm instantly (at the alarm station) if the line is cut.

A friend's condo was broken into despite the presence of such a security
system; the detective who investigated theorized that the burglars simply
called her number and let it ring, thus tying up the line so the alarm
couldn't dial out.  Anyone know how these alarms deal with that possibility?
Do some alarm companies recommend a dedicated, unlisted phone line (hers
didn't)?  If you had such a line, would it be all that difficult for a burglar
to patch a phone into it (externally - like at the junction box) and dial
(say) the time/temperature number to tie up the line anyway?

AWR
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: dsg@blackbird.mitre.org (David S. Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Packies, was Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:19:07 GMT


>>>>> In article <07Jan93233611@miracle.com>, jess@miracle.com
>>>>> (Jessica Thornburg) writes:

Jessica> Ummm, I was on the Pike a couple months ago, driving out to
Jessica> Amherst, so I was on the pike going westbound, past exit 10,
Jessica> and I know that the speed limit going WESTBOUND changes back
Jessica> to 55 after the I-84 interchange, which is exit 10 I believe.
Jessica> Now if they've changed it very recently, I don't know.  But
Jessica> back towards the end of November it was 55mph after the road
Jessica> went from 3 to 2 lanes after exit 10.

I84 is exit 9.  Exit 10 is I290/I395.  Between exits 10 and 9 the
speed limit is 65.  You are correct that after exit 9 the limit goes
back to 55.  I haven't been out that far in a couple years, but I seem
to remember that it goes back to 65 somewhere after I91.

--
Dave Goldberg                      UNIX Systems Programmer/Administrator
Post: The Mitre Corporation MS B020 202 Burlington Rd. Bedford, MA 01730
Phone: 617-271-2460
Domain: dsg@mbunix.mitre.org  UUCP: {your neighborhood}!linus!mbunix!dsg 
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Packies, was Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:57:40 GMT

In article <106136@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:
>In article <C0Czuz.4y8@world.std.com> adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin) writes:
>>Ah, but there are still a number of *drug stores* in Massachusetts that
>>sell liquor.  Sure makes up for all those supermarkets that lock up their
>>liquor on Sunday :-).
>
>But Adam, what *supermarkets* ever sell liquor in Massachusetts? :-)
>Maybe you're thinking of New Hampshire?  :-)

Star Market on Mt. Auburn in Watertown.  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Xref: sparky ne.general:3936 ne.wanted:1664
From: tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer)
Newsgroups: ne.general,ne.wanted
Subject: Re: Re-Inking Printer Ribbons
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:40:50 GMT
Followup-To: ne.general
Distribution: ne
Organization: JPT Computer Solutions
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Fawn Fitter (fsquared@eff.org) wrote:
: Anyone know of a place in the greater Boston area where I can get fabric
: printer ribbons re-inked? It's more environmentally sound than tossing the
: old one on my way to Staples for more, and I understand it's also cheaper
: in the long run...
: 
: I know of a place in California and another in the Midwest that will do this,
: but I'd rather not pay for postage to mail the ribbons back and forth. I'd
: prefer a place downtown or in the Cambridge/Somerville area, but I'll 
: gladly go out into the 'burbs if that's my only option.


You can do it youself. I'll have to find the address for the folks in NJ
that sell the simple supplies. Email me back, and I'll get you their address
and number.

Tim
-- 
Tim Sailer
JPT Computer Solutions - SCO Sales/Consulting/Administration and Mangling
PO Box 423 Mt Sinai, NY 11766
(516) 331-9001
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Passing Lane (was Re: flavors of MA cops
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:50:08 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1993Jan7.172720.1905@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey) writes:
>I think the award for the most driving signs in New England
>should go to the Maine Pike.  They must have a sign every 5
>miles giving driving advise like "Make sure your tire are
>safe",  "dim headlights when meeting cars", etc.

   Last summer when I was driving up there, I was so bemused by the
signage that I almost ran over a porcupine.  I remember thinking that
they should have had a sign right there saying "Hey!  Look out for
that porcupine!"
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
Subject: Re: ne.singles? (was Re: ne.personals?)
Organization: Software Tool & Die
	<DRG.93Jan4122445@candidus.ma30.bull.com>
	<1993Jan4.230743.22159@news.columbia.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:51:33 GMT

In the references article gp@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gerald Pulver) writes:
<BTW, I'm in favor of ne.singles and/or ne.personals, so long as "ne" is
>taken to mean "North East".

	Well, like it or not, "ne.*" is the USENET regional hierarchy
for New England, not the "North East".  Not that anyone is going to
stop you from posting.

->Spike
From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: ne.personals?
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:39:10 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc. / Waltham, MA

At the time I created ne.motss, I ran into the same question:  just what
*is* the process for creating a new ne.* newsgroup?  Answer:  there wasn't
one then, and there isn't one now.

What I did was have a discussion here (in ne.general) and collect votes
by email ballot.  I arbitrarily set the needed number of yes votes at
25, and I got them (plus one or two no votes).  The group has seen a good,
steady amount of use since it was created, and isn't anywhere near as
overwhelming as the major hierarchies.

There is one technical gotcha:  newsgroup propagation around New England
isn't all that great, and not every site got the newgroup control posting.
I did it a second time through a different path, but I'll bet there are
still some sites which don't carry all the ne.* newsgroups.

There's a periodic posting listing various ne.* newsgroups, in one of
the news.* groups, and it isn't complete.  Therefore we might want to set
up a "real" process.

-rich
P.S.  I'm *very* recently single.  My vote would be for ne.singles.  The
  term 'personals' conjures up for me an image of sleaze and one-night stands.
Newsgroups: ne.general,misc.kids
From: spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
Subject: Re: What to do with 12 yr olds in Boston
Organization: Software Tool & Die
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:58:32 GMT


	Don't forget the Aquarium.

->Spike
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: pa_hcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Henry Leong)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Reply-To: pa_hcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
	<1992Dec30.185427.10831@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
	<PA_HCL.93Jan7232518@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
	<MARY.93Jan8100215@martinique.Cayman.COM>
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:06:33 GMT

I've managed for years without a radar detector. It's rather questionable
how often you've been saved as I've also blown by cops several times and
never got pulled over. I guess it depends how much faster you're going.
As for the Hyundai, the '86-'89 Excels has 68hp engines and the SLOWEST
0-60 time. Over 14 seconds. I would guess your Tercel does it in about 12
seconds and even a Yugo was faster than the Hyundai. My car does it in 
about 8.2 according to one magazine. 
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<EVERETTM.93Jan5094748@noman.Cayman.COM>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:36:52 GMT

I learned to drive in California. Maybe that disqualifies me from this
discussion. :) Then again, I'm a pretty defensive driver.

I had *NEVER* heard of the left lane referred to as "the passing lane".
Certainly, you're supposed to pass on the left. But, I submit that using
it exclusively as a passing lane isn't much safer. Suppose speed limit
is 45, and that's how fast traffic flow is on the right lane. About 10%
of the drivers want to go 50-55mph. Isn't it safer for them to just stay
in the left lane, rather than just use the left lane as a passing lane
and therefore have to change lanes every thousand yards? Suppose the mix
was 50-50 instead of 90-10?

I tend to think of left lanes as car-pool lanes, but I guess my
metropolitan nature is showing.

--
Ping Huang (INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu), probably speaking for himself

Newsgroups: ne.general