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From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Subject: Re: Portamento...
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:35:45 GMT

In <1992Jul30.160418.29175@spider.co.uk> stuartm@spider.co.uk (Stuart MacNeill) writes:

*Hi there,
*
*Stop me if you've heard this one before, but, does anyone know what has 
*happened  to the "Portamento" or "Glide" feature on today's digital synths.
*I own a KORG Wavestation, and it doesn't have this feature, but my old Moog
*Prodigy from way back had it. Is this feature available on any of the latest
*digital machines ????
*
*It may be that it is too difficult to use / implement for a polyphonic
*keyboard, but I'm pretty sure that it was available on late model analog
*machines like Prophet 5, OBXa etc....
*
*Come on synth designers, pitch envelopes just can't do the same thing.


Because its really hard to do portamento with interpolating filters,
that's why.  

The Oberheim Matrix 1000 has it, and I'm reasonably sure that the Cheetah
M6S (?) and their new one (Zeus 14?) have it.  Only problem is, these things
don't sample it and transmit portamento as a MIDI controller, even though
the Ob will let you modulate it and let it modulate other things.

                    Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com>          

          "Whoso pulleth this linoleum knife from the mailman is 
                        King born of all England!"

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Converting MIDI Clock To Pulse Train
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 24 JUL 92 09:45:19    


I just aquired a digital delay with a SYNC input that takes a 5VDC pulse train
and uses this to scale delay times.  This allows you to have the delay times
track a clock source.  What I'm trying to figure out is a way to take a MIDI
stream from a sequencer and convert the MIDI clock messages to such a pulse
train.  Does a product like this exist commercially?  I remember some boxes
from the early days of MIDI that converted MIDI to Sync24, that might be a good
start.  How about MIDI-CV converters, like the one PAIA sells? 

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: ipc@otter.hpl.hp.com (Ian Crighton)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:50:28 GMT
Subject: M1 controller pedal info
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

Can anyone tell me what is inside a controller footpedal for the
Korg M1? The genuine Korg pedal over here is quite expensive, but
I've got an old volume pedal that I could adapt and save some $$. 
All I want to do is to be able to control the M1's volume from one 
of the assignable pedal inputs. And before anyone comes back *too* 
quickly, the synth is stereo but my pedal is only mono - that's why 
I need to do it via an assignable pedal input.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ian Crighton   HP Computer Peripherals Bristol, UK.   ianc@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ptl@cs.tut.fi (Launiainen Petri)
Subject: Re: GLIB -> TX81Z
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:58:37 GMT

Various folks write:

>>>
>>>   >Here is a TURBO PASCAL program...
>>>Yeah, FORTRAN 77, that's the ticket, any volunteers for the...
>>Society for Electronic Music Computation suggest COBOL as the coming...
>I like to do ALL of my music programming in ADA...

etc.etc.

OK you wise guys: here's a C version of the original program.  Now let's get
on with your FORTRAN, COBOL and ADA versions :-) :-)


/* glib2syx.c: create MIDIEX format file from GLIB file for TX81Z
**
** Usage:  glib2syx channel fromfile tofile
**
** translated from Turbo Pascal by ptl@cs.tut.fi,
** original by htoyryla@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi
**
** Do with it whatever you will.
*/


#include <stdio.h>

#define FILESIZE 4096

typedef unsigned char BYTE;

main (argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
     BYTE checksum, temp;
     int counter, channel;
     FILE *in, *out;

     /* parameter check */

     if (argc != 4) {
         fprintf (stderr, "Usage: glib2syx channel fromfile tofile\n");
         exit (1);
     }

     /* extract and check channel nbr */

     channel = atoi (argv[1]) - 1;

     if (channel < 0 || channel > 15) {
         fprintf (stderr, "Channel must be between 1 and 16\n");
         exit (1);
     }

     /* fiddle with files */

     in = fopen (argv[2], "rb");
     out = fopen (argv[3], "wb");

     if (in == NULL || out == NULL) {
         fprintf (stderr, "File handling error with %s\n",
                         in ? argv[3] : argv[2]);
         exit (1);
     }
     fputc(0xf0, out) ;  /* sysex header in tx81z header format */
     fputc(0x43, out) ;
     fputc(channel, out) ;  
     fputc(0x4, out) ;
     fputc(0x20, out) ;
     fputc(0x0, out) ;
     checksum = 0 ;

     /* copy data and calculate checksum */

     for (counter = 0; counter < FILESIZE; counter++) {
         temp = fgetc(in) ;
         checksum += temp ;
         fputc (temp, out);
     }

     checksum = ~checksum + 1 ;
     checksum &= 0x7f ;
     fputc (checksum, out);
     fputc (0xf7, out) ;

     fclose (in);
     fclose (out);
}

/petri
---
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Tampere          # 
Finland          #                     - Murphy's second corollary
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller)
Subject: Re: Vintage Synth : BIT 01
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:36:14 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.synth
	<3553@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

In article <3553@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:

   Later versions gradually improved in MIDI capability, up until the Unique
   DBK and DBM, the latest versions. For the money you'd be better off with a
   JX3P, frankly.

Would you be more specific about the DBK and the DBM. Thanks!

	Georg.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kasainio@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Best Sequencer for IBM?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:58:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.035204.28087@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) writes:
> I was wondering whether any net people out there would be able to help
> me out.  I am looking to purchase a sequencer for an IBM compatible, and
> was wondering what might be the best sequencer out on the market today.
> To give you a better idea of what I am looking for, these are the types
> of features I am looking for.
> 
> - Graphical manipulation of MIDI data
> - Quantize and Humanizing
> - Looping as well as standard track implementation
> - Different note displays (Piano roll, event list etc.)
> - Real and Step time recording
> - Overdubbing
> - Real time tempo changing
> - Control data filtering (Get rid of 600 pitch bend events)
> - An interface similar to EZ-vision for the mac
> - The ability to produce some sort of time code
> 
 I can recommend to you A program named Cadenza for Windows. It is
 better version of "normal" Cadenza. It has most of things above.
 We have used it in our band (COSMIC ZONE) which plays Man-Machine-Music
 and we found it better than Cakewalk (which is quite old). The
 "normal" Cadenza has full graphics, but Windows version supports Windows.
 I don't remember all features because we haven't needed them.
 I don't know if there is version available for Windows 3.1, but
 we am waiting...

> Next I would like to just mention the 'Dream' features I would like to
> find:
> 
> - Record to hardisk or implement sampled hard disk data as music in
> sequence similar to Vision for the MAC.
> - Sample editing through sys-ex dump
> - Patch editing for most major synths (DX, CZ, MT etc.)
> - stripped version for live performance which loads next sequence while
> current one plays.

 The Cadenza doesn't support these, but it has midi dump which you
 can put to your harddisk and read them back quite fast while performance
 is going on.

> 
> I know that a lot of these things are available on the market, but I
> would like to know what you people think the best sequencer out there
> is.  I would like to stay between the $150-$250 price range, and I was
> hoping that the sequencer wouldn't take up more than 10 megs of disk
> space.  Rumor has it that Cakewalk is one of the best sequencers on the
> market right now.  Does anyone have any opinions on the matter?
> 
> Thanks for your insight.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark Dochtermann
> Electronic Musician
> 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kin@island.COM (Kin Blas)
Subject: Looking for Roland D-70 Patch...
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:23:28 GMT

  Do any of you D-70 users know of a patch that sounds
like the Yamaha DX-7's "Tine" or "Full Tine" patch? Does
one even exist? If so where can I get it?

Thanks!

Kin Blas
kin@island.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re:
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:08:26 GMT

...looking for some answers for my netless brother, who wants to upgrade from
a Mac Plus.  The main uses for his new machine will be Performer and Finale.
He's found a good deal on a new IIsi where he teaches, but neither of us is
certain what kind of horsepower you need to get Finale to work well (just
that it *doesn't* work acceptably on a Plus).  Does anyone have experience
with Finale on a Mac IIsi?  Can Finale be used effectively without a full-page
or two-page monitor?  And (for future reference) has anyone used a IIsi for
direct-to-disk recording using Audiomedia or something similar?

Please resopond by email, and thanks in advance.

brian good
bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov
From: Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: re: Regarding Marc Webster's K2000/SY99 comments
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 01:00:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

> Granted, if you
really like the Yamaha FM sound, and that's all you like, you cant beat an
SY99 (or SY77 for that matter).  However, the K2000 can produce some
remarkably Yamaha-like sounds,

For the same reason that you can't judge a K2000 with a simple comparison,
you cannot judge the SY99 or SY77 as "just an FM synth".
Anyone who owns one of these keyboards realizes very soon that it can
produce sounds much different than the old DX and TX keyboards.

Yes, yes, we know that the K2000 is the current fashionable thing to love
and not talk bad about.  However, I think Marc has a point.  Keyboards have
a certain character to them - whether its the onboard effects (DSP 256) on the 
K200 or the way it alters playback of samples.  Personally, I like the effects
on the SY99 (SPX900) a whole lot better than the K2000.  
Just like people got used to the character of the DX series, I think in a 
while people will recognize the character of the K2000.

If you're saying that it's a totally transparent machine, I don't agree with
you.  Having heard the K2000 through early beta all the way to now, I recognize
it's character.  I agree it's a good sounding machine, but so are a LOT of 
others.

The operating system leaves something to be desired too.

Aron_Nelson@cup.portal.com
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
From: studer@physics.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Studer)
Subject: New (boring?) synths from Yamaha
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:44:24 GMT

I noticed in a sales blurb from a local company that Yamaha is releasing a
swag of new boxes. I can't recall seeing them discussed here, but then
again I think I can understand why not.

The two keyboards are the SY85 and the SY35: both look like sample playback
boxes (the 85 has something like 6 Meg of Rom on board). I know that the
85 also has a Ram option and takes standard SIMMS. (FINALLY synth companies
have decided to stop ripping customers off by using non standard RAM systems.
If only the SY99 had this.)

These beasties are 32 oscillator boxes with 2 "independant effects chains"-
which sounds like they used the SY99 effects. Sounds rather 01/Wish to me.
They've also introduced a 16 osc polyphonic drum sound module and a
64(!) osc rack module (which I guess is just 2 SY85s in the one box). 

That's all I know. Are these boxes any more interesting than this, or is
that it?

Andrew Studer... studer@physics.su.oz.au

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Re: Why are there synths?
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
	<OLA.92Jul17090349@vipunen.hut.fi> <2A670514.15382@noiro.acs.uci.edu>
Date: 20 Jul 92 09:44:12

In article <2A670514.15382@noiro.acs.uci.edu> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>In article <OLA.92Jul17090349@vipunen.hut.fi> ola@vipunen.hut.fi (sir Ola Rinta-Koski) writes:
>>  Now what is the definition of "inside a computer"? Frankly, I can't
>>see why some people are obsessed with that. Rack-mount the computer as
>>well, of course.
>
>	But the discussion was about sticking synths-on-cards inside your
>tabletop PC, you see.

  I do. Maybe I was just distracted because what I don't see is: what's
the point? Besides saved costs in casing.

  The industry is already going the way of synth-peripherals to
personal computers with the much-hyped multimedia bandwagon. Witness
the Yamaha whatevermodelnumberthatis, which has a built-in serial bus,
coincidentally identical to that on the backplane of every Mac, but
can also talk to PC's with no additional hardware (except the right
cable, of course). Granted, it still needs its own wall-wart. But,
it's very much plug-in-and-play. The model in question is just a GMIDI
noisemaker with marginal sound modification capabilities, but that's
not the point here.

  So, maybe I need it spelled out in big capital letters. What would
be the benefit of having that inside the machine? (I've never been a
fan of internal modems, either.) Please keep in mind that as long as
there's no standard expansion bus inside the personal computer (which
used to refer to all personal computers in the days of yore, much the
same way that DOS used to be an acronym for disk operating system) the
internal expansion card will have to be made in a gazillion different
configurations if only for the connector on the edge. And I don't
believe the situation is likely to change soon.
--
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'Ginger?' 'Certainly. That's a common one, ginger is. What they do, they take a
piece of raw ginger about the size of a walnut, and about five minutes before
the off they slip it into the dog.' 'You mean in his mouth? He eats it?' 'No.'
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone)
Subject: Re: wrt: Poliphany and the K2000
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:12:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

> I suspect that one reason the K2000 only has 24 voices of
> polyphony is that each voice has a DSP based algorythm to
> process it: ie: there are 24 channels of DSP processing (not
> counting the efffects chip).
 
This is almost certainly a good piece of the reason.  It also
means you can actually create interesting single oscillator
patches on the K2000 which is tougher using AI2 or virtually
anything else (except perhaps advanced FM stuff... I'll stay out
of that battle).

> I bet they are using a pair of Motorola dsp56001's.  To add a
> third would have increased the number of voices, but would have
> also added a third to the cost of the machine.  I bet they will
> upgrade to 32 at some future point when it becomes cost effective.

Well... A) they aren't using 56001s (it looks like a custom chip
instead) B) 56001s are only 56.01 in quantity (and that was a
while back...) C) the K2000 is doing MUCH more processing than
you could do with the 56001 (hence why the K2000 blows the Peavey
beast out of the studio).

If I were to design the K2000 from scratch I'd run some massively
parallel DSP stuff... since voices don't modulate each other,
there'd be no problem!  Each voice has it's own pipeline in the
DSP, which could (if it needed to) have an independant bus for
local memory / instructions.

Any YC/K engineers around?

Blake
From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Mac Classic II for MIDI?
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:51:31 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <rolfe.712265359@sfu.ca> rolfe@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher John Rolfe) writes:
>	In bench tests it was nearly as fast as my LC, which I've found 
>easily sufficient for MIDI I/O. 

Supposed to be almost identical to the LC II in performance.

>	Memory is crucial.  System 7 takes up at least a MEG ( usually
>closer to two ) so by all the SIMM you can afford ( I guess the
>Classic II can handle up to 8 MEG ). 

I started out with 2 megs on my Classic II, it sucked. Sure, you can turn
on virtual memory, but then you eat disk space and time. I upped it to 6
megs, it can take up to 10 (2 on board plus two 4 meg simms).

-- 
Rainer Malzbender                               This sig has no slack since I'm
Post-doc, Physics                               using it all.
U. of Colorado, Boulder (303)492-1366           rainer@shelley.colorado.edu
From: chris@clarinet.music (Chris Scudds)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Synclavier No More...
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:12:46 GMT
Reply-To: chris@uk.ac.gla.music
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Service


Can someone resolve an argument for me...

Did Fostex really buy New England Digital?

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From: phillips@nwaces.enet.dec.com (Errol M. Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Updated price U220 for SALE
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:44:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


**********For SALE***************** 
 - Roland U220 sound module in mint condition

Now asking $525

Will pay half UPS ground shipping

Call Errol  (603)- 882-5125 or 

send email to:

phillips@nwaces.emet.dec.com

Regards,

Errol 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)
Subject: Re: SY99 has no peers?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:21:06 GMT

In article <9207221343.AA02456@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>K2000, need I say more?
>
>John

Ya know considering that at least half a dozen people have recommended
the K2000 as an option I guess I should take the hint and listen to one
of these although I did test drive the K1000 a couple years ago and
just about tossed my cookies.

I don't want just a sampler though... I like the idea of combining
synthesis techniques with samples (like the aaaaaaahhh..... SY99).
Someone mentioned that the K2000 could do synthesis via algorithms in
software somehow.  Maybe worth a lookat.

- John
From: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Run that by me again!!!!! (was Re: Attn: MIDI Newcomers!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Someone wrote:
>> Attention MIDI Newcomers!
>> Don't post to this newsgroup if you need assistance or information about
>> MIDI topics.  Speaking from experience, the people who post here are not
>> interested in your problems or troubles...you're on your own!

	Sorry you feel that way.  Personally, I do most of my responding
by e-mail.  There *are* people out here who are willing to help.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Vintage Synth : BIT 01
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:50:04 GMT
 <3553@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> <GEORG.92Jul23163614@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de>
Distribution: rec.music.synth
Organization: Atomic City

In article <GEORG.92Jul23163614@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) writes:

>Would you be more specific about the DBK and the DBM. Thanks!

No, I won't, because I can't. All I know is that the guts are identical to
the Bit 99 and Bit 01, hardwarewise, but that the MIDI implementation is
a bit different. They were only manufactured for a short period, and I've
never seen one. From what I gather, the main difference between the Bit One,
the Bit 99, and the DBK was that the silkscreening on the front panel
kept changing color. Not pattern, just color. The cool green on black of the
Bit One was the coolest of all, until you actually had to READ it. |-P



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minerva. |                     and sampling the "crunch" it makes.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: smill@polari.online.com
Subject: circuit schematics, etc
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:52:30 GMT


	I have a number of chips that I recently had given to me.
I have no pinouts, specs, schematics, etc.  I only know what they
are.  Anyone who can help with any of the above info, I'd be greatly
appreciative.  I'd like to build some music modules, e.g. synth &
processing.

	Here's what I've got:

TL084CN		quad op-amp; high slew rate, low noise
LN324N		quad op-amp
4558C		dual op-amp; fast
4202P		quad op-amp; programmable
4212CP		quad op-amp
4739CP		quad op-amp; low noise
4136CP		quad op-amp
	(first two chips above are from National Semiconductor, and TI,
	respectively, all others from Exar)

Exar	2206CP	linear VCO; .5MHz Fmax, square, triangle and sine waves
Exar	2207CP	linear VCO; .5MHz Fmax, square & triangle waves

	I've got multiple numbers of all of the above, except for the
LN324N, which I only have one.
	Anyone got any relevant info? ANYTHING helpful would be much
appreciated.


Thanks in advance.
-- 
Steven M. Miller		"The history of music evolution is
smill@polari.online.com		 not the history of nice guys"
smill@online.com			-- Anthony Braxton
smill%polari@online.com
From: kyle@rodan.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: NetJam is famous now! |->
Date: 25 Jul 1992 18:31:58 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:
 > Craig's comments were cogent and worthwhile; we can
 > expect to see a lot more novices on r.m.s seeking enlightenment in the
 > coming weeks

nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
 > Oh. Does this mean we have to behave ourselves?

Yes, Nick.  Repeat after me "The M1 is your friend, the M1 ..."

Seriously, it's nice to hear of the net getting some good
publicity for a change, instead of the usual exposes on
alt.sex.{bestiality,bondage,stories,pictures,etc.}.