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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: New Amigas
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:38:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.113527.10926@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>A800?  Well there's a new one!  I think we've now heard : A800, A1200,
>A2200, A3000+ and A4000.  
>

Yeah, and the A700 too! (I'll see if I remember to bring the text with me
and post it here. Sounds like much of the rumours heard here)

>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Sim Earth (was Re: Cheer Up)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.030822.12110@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>LAST TIME: Are you prepared to compare the Amiga SimEarth and the Windows 3.1
>SimEarth?

Sure. What do you want to know?

Mark

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: new machines as of se
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:46:42 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


AD>Sorry to crush any A4000 rumors, but as of the September issue of
AD>AmigaWorld, Commodore is now selling an '040 A3000T complete with monitor
AD>for something like $5999.00 retail US.  On the otherhand, if the AA
AD>machine actually do come out later this year, why bring out an ECS '040
AD>machine? Hmmm, makes ya wonder.....

AD>     adrake@bluemoon.rn.com

 Unless the The A3000 line of Amigas are compatible with the AA chipset. In
this case releasing an A3000T-040 machine wouldn't be a problem. The A3000
line of Amigas are probably the only machines that are easily upgradable to
the AA chispet. Besides it's not like they rebuilt an Amiga 3000T they just
added an option to get it with an 040 CPU instead of an 030!
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:42:12 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>
>>
>>What the hell does this mean?  What does OS/2 have to do to multitask as
>>effectively as UNIX or AmigaDOS?  Do you know what you're talking about at
>>all?
> 
>Yes, I do know what I'm talking about.  It's a matter of personal opinion in
>this case.  I have used all three systems and all I can say is that OS/2 just
>doesn't have the same "feel" to it.
> 
>For one thing OS/2 does not support virtual screens.  Not screens bigger than 
>the display, which both OS/2 and AmigaDOS do support, but screens which can be 
>placed one behind the other.  The Amiga has this and it makes it a little 
>easier to switch between programs than in OS/2.
> 

For what it's worth, OS/2 can run multiple Windows screens, although there
is only one Presentation Manager screen with the standard drivers.  In any
case, this is not a deficiency of the OS, but of the display driver.  A third
party product like Rooms (which exists for Windows, but not OS/2) could easily
add the capability you want.

>
>In addition to the above you must also admit that OS/2 has *alot* of overhead
>because it has to support both DOS and Windows programs.  This, I have
>found, makes OS/2 a little jerky on anything less than a '386 machine.
> 

Wait a minute here.  Are you talking about OS/2 1.x?  OS/2 2.0 can *only* run
on 386 machines.  Also, you need to have at least 6MB RAM for smooth
multitasking -- it swaps a lot with 4MB.  On my machine with 8MB, I notice no
jerkiness at all.

>
>Gregory John Casamento  --  gcasa@wam.umd.edu
>
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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:18:18 GMT
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
Distribution: world
Organization: Sacramento Amiga Computer Club - Sacramento, CA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <16a646INNp5s@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian) writes:
> 
> In article <63865@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
> >>I hope we stupid Americans wake up some day
> >
> >Ah. I'll send over my 18 month old daughter. You can wake up twice a night
> 
> Do you have an 18 *year* old daughter?  You can send her over to my house
> anytime... :-)

Careful.  You might end up with Clinton's daughter.  Or... Carter's
daughter.  <bleah>


> -- 
>    Brian M. Aljian
>    smythe@stallion.santa-cruz.ca.us



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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Fortran Compilers 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:19:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.215022.16327@usl.edu>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Curiously, I assume there are FORTRAN compilers for the Amiga?
>Could someone elaborate?  Thanks-

In terms of commercial compilers, AC Fortran is the most prevalent. If I
remember correctly, it is produced by Absoft. Unfortunately, having never
had an opportunity to use it, I can't provide any insights or impressions
as to how good it is [...or how it compares to the Windows version :)].

Mark

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From: Frank.Moehle@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Moehle)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:37:35 GMT

hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:

>I've heard that the new Amiga will also have a dsp chip, is this true?

>Herb
>-- 

I 've heared that the next falcon generation will have 2 or more DSP's
connected to the main memory by one high-spee-bus for each dsp.

And - rumors about tomorrow say that there will be a big green
arkle desaster consuming the who universe ....

And - I really hate hearing nothing but rumors about something nobody has ever
seen nor hacked 'around with but which are useful to keep a certain company
alive that likes making you hungry for something that is just a cloud
of ideas in some developers' mind .

* FLAME OFF *
_vorgive me, i could not stand it any more_


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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:50:27 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Aug18.182536.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, jcjust01@ulkyvx (J. Crazyrat Justen) writes:
>The Amiga 3000T by Jerry Pournelle
>(*most* spelling and grammatical mistakes are my own.)

#define PICK_ON_JERRY_MODE ON

[...]
>Amiga conference on BIX

Odd.  He mentions `BIX' no fewer than four times, yet nary a peep about
the net... (ya don't suppose he's got a vested interest in BIX, do you?)

>no more two-stage Kickstart-Workbench bootup.

Jerry Pournelle: king of the late-breaking news scoop.

>It might be possible to write an Arexx
>script that would do much of that, but I'd hate to try it.

Memo to Amiga developers: scratch Jerry's name from the `to hire' list.

>PClones

Isn't it funny how they refer to machines as pee-clones?

>The Amiga is also said to be the best games machine around.  Alas, so far I
>have been unable to get many of my older Amiga games to work with it.

Old games don't work on a new machine with a new OS and a new processor.
What a surprise.  I guess I*M and M*c don't have that problem...

>[Property of Byte Magazine.  Reproduced without permission.  BYTE me!]

#define PICK_ON_JERRY_MODE OFF

Actually, to be fair, Jerry did give a fairly reasonable report of the
Amiga (even presenting it as a viable choice).  It really is jarring,
though, the way he offers up pronouncements on the difficulty of software
development, and peripheral compatability with little or nothing to
back it up with.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:51:31 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug22.173107.28379@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>Well, I can't see much differences. Ever used Fountain to install a
>CG font ?

Would you please eleaborate on this 'Fountain'.  While Amiga people
may have heard of Adobe Type Manager, *I* sure haven't heard of 'Fountain.'
Are they evuivalent, I guess?

[Install fonts scheme]

Is the Fountain Type Manager availble via ftp?  Are there fonts to download?

Regards,

>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:22:12 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Thu 13 Aug 92  8:40, Mykes@amiga0.sf-Bay.org (mike Schwa
wrote:

 MBS> People complain about 8 years of Reagan.  We've had 50+ years of
 MBS> FDR.  We
 MBS> ned 50 years of Reagan to undo it all and make things right.

You are absolutely right. The same diseased thinking has completely
infested politics here in Canada. Whenever the NDP get elected to a
government here I wonder how incredibly stupid people really can be. The
NDP are more to the left than your Democrats are. At least YOUR lefties
still believe in most of your constitution. Our lefties are busy at work
tearing ours apart. We will all soon be vassals of the state if we don't
get these bastards out of office. Our "Conservatives" are more like your
Democrats than they are like your Republicans -- their hearts are mostly in
the right places, but they like to outspend the liberals and lefties during
every election, and then spend the next four years trying to fix the mess.

We need somebody like Reagan back, and we need for him to take over Canada
as well!


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From: piet@okapi.sub.org (Peter Vohmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Why are there no DR2D docs?
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:02:23 MESZ

In article <16ehevINN256@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes:
>I posted a message two days ago asking for information on the IFF
>DR2D specification.  DR2D is the 2-d structured art specification
>that many programs are now adopting.  I have a utility I want to
>write but I have no information on creating or parsing DR2D forms!

Get an archive of AmigaMails. The Nov/Dec90 (!!) issue has an article
describing the IFF format. IMHO, Fonts are still a problem with DR2D,
as you won't get DR2D'd fonts (vectorized ones needed for some esotheric
graphics operations) except with ProVector.

Nothing against ProVector as such, I really like the aproach, it's just
I've never been able to see the program here in Germany, in action.

Peter

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:43:59 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

In article <1992Aug18.225632.10150@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>   I think its safe to say that alot of A600's are going to be bought for
>   playing games, not running productivity software.  So having a lot of
>   games break on the A600 doesn't make much sense.

It appears that there is a slight conflict here.  On the one hand are game
programmers that use ever nook and cranny of the hardware to do whatever
they want, damn the consequences, and thier programs fail upon the first
change to the hardware.  On the other hand, in order to advance the machine
C= has to change the hardware, usually in areas where they've clearly put an
"off limits" warning, and which the game makers usually ignore the warnings.

I really hope the A600 stays in Europe and drive the point home to game
developers over there.  Maybe the next wave of Euro software will actually
last past the next hardware upgrade... but I'm not holding my breath.

So... what do we want to see?  Awesom game machines with '85 technology, or
just plain awesome machines?  I really hope the game designers don't win this
vote...

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Crime (Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:51:48 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: We kill vermin all the time.

Yes, but when that "vermin" is a human, it's a little more than
roadkill on the highway.

: It is one thing for you bleeding hearts to be dogmatic in your belief, but
: to simply make silly pigeon-holing statements really undermines your 
: conviction's positions in other people's eyes.

I'm one of those people who likes being shocked.  (Not electrically.
Believe me.)  I thought that was concise, to the point, and
hard-hitting, even though it was awfully rough.  It conveys the point
quite well.

It wasn't meant to be some kind of back-slapping congratulations for
"poking the enemy in the eye".

Sorry if it sounded that way.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:45:38 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Aug11.203800.2884@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>This would seem to be politically unsound on the part of Commodore.  When
>>China takes over Hong Kong in 1997, Commodore could easily lose that plant.
>>At this time, companies who are already in Hong Kong are working on
>>contingency plans for pulling out.
>
>Like which company?  please give specific example...

From reading BusinessWeek, I get the impression that a lot of the large
banking organizations are planning to retreat.  Someone I know who works
in accounting for DEC, and audits their Hong Kong facility, seems to think
they are set to pull out if things get sticky.

I have been involved peripherally in a technology deal between a US
computer company and a Mainland China organization, and I know that
there are specific limitations on the level of technology that can
be shipped there.  DEC, IBM, and other companies that are already
residents of Hong Kong have technology there that the US will want
to keep out of the hands of the Red Chinese.

>I don't mean to flame you, but please don't do what -MB- did.  Who knows,
>you might be able to single-handedly wipe out Hong Kong.  ;)

I'm just going by the picture given to American business in the trade
journals.  And by my own experience.

>No flame intended.  However, we can't forsee what will happen in 97, so
>why spread rumors?  Besides, for all we know, who knows if Commodore will 
>still support the Amiga in 97.   (or... perhaps a "better" company might
>buy the Amiga from C= before '97...)

You're right.  Noone can forsee what will happen in 1997.  The upshot is
that the pessimists will leave Hong Kong, and the optimists will stay.
In many ways, Red China is a country that is ten years behind the other
large powers.  They are still testing nuclear devices, and they are still
keeping the people under the control of a totalitarian government.

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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Re: Amiga 600 vs. Falcon 030 
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 00:31:35 GMT


In a previous article, leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) says:

>First, before you take either the A600 or Falcon at listed price... you have
>to add the cost of a monitor and hard disk... and then look at the software
>base.  The proportionate differences drop.
>
>Thom
>
>


Not really...  An A600 monitor costs the same as a Falcon monitor.
The same with a hard drive.

I could never get over the fact of how Commodore and Atari extremely
similar in almost EVERY way.

Take a look at their marketing.

Take a look at their products.

Take a look at their management.

Take a look at their mistakes.

Maybe the same person is running both companies?


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From: James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (James Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A600
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:35:14 PST
Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA

Don't know if this has been mentioned here yet.  The A600 has hit Canada,
retail price was $795Cdn with a 40MB harddrive.  Unfortunately the guy
didn't post their selling price.  The specs he gave said it came with a
880k floppy drive.  Also, to have a battery backed clock requires the A601.

Really hope C= has something better than this for September.

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:49:51 GMT

charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>Hmmm ... I went into Radio Shack the other day to see if I could get them to
>sell me a CD-I.  If most places "sell" CD-I's like this, then CDTV is in no
>danger at all.  [...]

Yep, there are usually horror stories about sales and demos of all equipment.
For example, there was a recent thread on CompuServe about how Harrod's in
London has CD-I players displayed in many of their numerous windows, and
naturally the question of CDTV visibility came up.  Turned out that a lot of
U.K. stores leave them off because the CDTV demo disk was an extra-cost item.

Salespeople stories don't mean much, except to those who believe that
neither player can sell (yet) without a good demo and salesperson.

And on that topic, Philips announced yesterday that starting this fall,
and running into 1993, they plan a multimillion dollar CD-I campaign which
(in their words) will be "unequaled in today's U.S. consumer electronics
marketplace".  It'll include high profile TV ads, local TV/print/radio ads,
and lots of store demonstrations nationwide by trained regional salespeople.

Interestingly, just before StarTrek:TNG ran here last Saturday night, there
was an (apparently) locally produced CD-I ad from an audio store in Cary NC.

cheers - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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