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From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: kn the movie Roja..
Organization: -
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:36:48 GMT

Movie stuff, you may want to skip.

Talking about the movie 'Rojaa',
kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:

  >                    This movie tries to tell people the following :
  >1. India will not give Kashmir

yes. that is the theme of this movie.

  >2. Indian tamils should be united and should not try to 
  >   have a seperate homeland and fall prey to external forces.

  >The second is explained clearly by the song, "Thamizha thamizha".

I don't think so. (I may be wrong, I have heard that song only twice,
once while watching the movie and once on local radio). IMO, This movie
does not in any way criticise the Eelam issue. The movie is about
national unity. It can be applied to any separatist movement in *India*
(= any group which wants to splinter India); past, present or future.

  >3. Indians should be ready to sacrifice their lives for their
  >   country.
  
  >The third point is depicted in the form of a character called Roja
  >where she is more concerned about her husband's life than about her
  >country.
 
This is actually two separate points. Both are very harsh realities
of life. One is, when facing terrorists demands, the government should
not concede, as this will lead to more of such acts in the future.
The other is individuals should be ready to make sacrifices for
the country. 

I am reminded of Mahabharatam which says it is okay to lose one member 
of the family to save the rest and one family to save the rest of the 
village and so on. From a global viewpoint, one should look at 
relative costs and not absolute costs.

Regards,
Raghavan, V.

PS: what does 'Subject: Re: kn the movie Roja..' mean?
			   ^^^^
Any help from the original poster?
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigal - 8
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:53:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45852
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"KadaRkarai thaagam adhu dhan unathu kaadhalada !
	 aduththavar raagam adhai nee paaduthal paavamada ! 
	  
	 Junior : if it is apoorva raagam ?! "

	
	From "Junior! iru manam konda..."

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: kaNNadhaasan-lullaby
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:19:46 GMT


    This is one of kaNNadhasan's great songs:

     rich kids:


    poonchittu kannangkaL, pon maNi deepangkaL,
    paal pongal pongkuthu paneerilE!
    

     poor children/

    pongal piRanthaalum deepam eRinthaalum
    EzhaikaL vaazhvathu kaNNeerilE!

   rich children:

   selvarkaL illaththil seeraatum piLLaikku pon
   vaNNak kiNNaththil paal kanji,

  poor kids

  kaNNeer uppittu, kaavEri neerittu,
  kalayangaL aaduthu sORindRi!
  ithayangaL Enguthu vaazhvindRi!


      The poet has pictured the contrast very beautifully.
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: kn the movie Roja..
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:10:46 GMT

In <1992Nov10.003850.12469@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:





>So let us not preach the Srilankan Tamils or the Kashmiris about what they
>should do when we know next to nothing about their real problems.


>S. Sankarapandi
>ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

  sariyaakach sonneerkaL:

         pOli thEsapatRu pEsi koNdu
         poi mitha vaatha roopathil-ilankai
         pOi appavi thamizharai kondRa
         pEi kaL thaan Gandhia vaathikaL.
   
        Kathiravan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: cvenkate@yoda.wsu.edu (Chandramouli Venkatesh - CS)
Subject: About Indian Parliament
Originator: cvenkate@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:22:20 GMT



Hi there,
Could somebody answer these questions on the Indian Parliament?

#1. How many seats does the Lok Sabha have?
#2. What is the minimum no of seats required for a party to form
    a Govt?
#3. How many seats does the Congress(I) currently hold?

Thanx in advance

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Minnal varigal
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:10:55 GMT

In <45378@ogicse.ogi.edu> kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth) writes:


>	" Vinaaath thaalaip pola Kanaakkanum KaLai !
>	  Vidai pola angu nadai podum Paavai !!"

>	  - from "Pottu vaitha vatta nila" in "Idhayam".


>	  poste by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram

  minnal varikaL of kaNNadhaasan

  "pattuch chElayil minnum ponizhai
   paavai mEniyil aadum.

   thottuth thaavida thuLLum enmanam
   kattuk kaavalai meerum.

   kattum kaivaLai kottum melisai
   mattum unnudan mOthum.
   
  chittu kaNkaLil vettum minnalum
  pattam pOl viLaiyaadum. 
                             "

     there is sparkle everywhere in the song. the sounds pattu, kattu, thottu, chittu,
vettu give a give a cutting effect.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vaidyana@cis.uab.edu (Viswanathan Vaidyana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Summary of kuRavanji paadalgal, please..
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:48:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Nov12.214816.23439
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham


  Can you please post a summary of the kuRavanji paadalgal you have
 posted so far...  Thanks.

- Vishu.
From: krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Regarding no. of songs of Kannadasan in films
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:49:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45331
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Hi folks,
     
I am a new student at OGI(Dept. of Matls.Sc.& Engg.)
I am a fan of the late Kavingar Kannadasan and have a good
collection of his songs that I listen to almost everyday.

Could anyone tell me exactly how many of his songs have been
sung in films?

ASHOK KRISHNAMURTHY


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:43:45 GMT

Ahmed El-Habbash writes:
#Danny Keren writes:

##1) The law of return has no relation to race, only to religion. you
##   better check out before you make such accusations.

#When we talk about race, normally we consider human races, but this
#situation is different, humanity and human rights are not considered at
#all.

So you agree it has nothing to do with race or what? Sorry, I don't
understand the context of your comment.

#I don't know what would you describe this situation when people who are
#born in Palestine are driven out to be replaced by people who never seen
#that land before.

I do not support driving anyone out and I have not seen too many
Palestinians driven out of Israel recently (I think 66 since the
Intifada started?). Compared to the 300,000 that were kicked from
Kuwait... as was mentioned many times, 800,000 Jews left the
Arab countries. many of them were "encouraged" to leave. 

#I don't know what do you describe this situation when a Palestinian 
#who was born and brought up in Palestine has no right even to visit his
#remaining relatives who are living as captives in their home land.

Quite a few can come and visit. Many people are passing through the 
bridges all the time. Also, this has nothing to do with the law
of return.

#You mean the jews in Palestine have the right to do what they are
#currently doing to the Palestinians, because those jews were treated
#badly in Germaany and Italy ?

This is completely twisting what I wrote, which was that it is 
perfectly fair to allow emmigration of Jews to Israel without
any restriction; this has nothing to do with the Palestinians
and, actualy, a very small percentage of the new Soviet immigrants
setteled in the territories.

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: tarek@solan.unit.no (Tarek Ali Yousef)
Subject: Hossni Mubarak Jokes.
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:37:44 GMT


	I have been away from  Egypt for a while  now and I was wondering if any
of you out on the net could breif me on the latest Mubarak Jokes.




	Thank You in advance,

		Tarek 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Mr Bulbul, Thank you but No
Summary: Apology for those who were never insulted!
Keywords: Bulbul balabil ^a roos ishshajar!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:26:10 GMT

mok@frigga.cs.wayne.edu (Mohammad Kanaan) writes:

>> 
>>    I do not have anything to say.
>> 

>How about an apology for those people whom you have insulted. 
>(a sincere  suggestion).

   Due to popular demand :-)
      If I insulted anyone (whithout there eligibility) (which
I do not think I did,) I sincerely apologise for that mistake,
and emphacise that it was not intended. No decent person was 
ever intended to be any flame target of mine. Probably it was 
caused by spelling errors and/or grammatical mistakes, which I 
am well-known for. 

** Everything I do, I do it for you.
                                    Brian Adams

** Abu-l-Balabil
   A Cray ZR Guy
   Now more nuts!

** Bulbul, Abu-l-Balabil, Nightingale, Royal Pirate, Mature Kid, 
  Cray Z, Cray ZR, Cray Z MP, Cray ZR MP, 
  and any other Sillix Titles (tm) are 
  (c) 1987-1992 <NMG> Nabeel  M. Ghuzlaan 
  (some are jointly copyrighted.)
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Arab  U N I T Y
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:34:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The only times there was a unity among Arabs were during Islam.  Arabs
before Islam came into life were fighting all the time.  Some examples are
the wars b/w Awis and Khazraj, the war of Dashis and Ghabra' which lasted
forty years and many others.  Now, in the abscence of Islam the same picture
is back again.

Some words to the wise:

Omer Bin Khatab had once said, "We are people that God blessed us with
Islam and through it we find our dignity, and if we try to
find our dignity with ways other than Islam, God will humilate us."

Isn't this what is happening dear Arab netters?
-- 
                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
                 (______   _  |   _  |_
_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Jihad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arab Unity
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov6.222503.7885@cs.umb.edu> ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem) writes:
>
>And by the way, it is not that clear that all Lebanese are Arabs; i.e., Joseph 
>Abu Khalil (a top Maronite and Phalangist) writes in his very interesting
>book LEBANON AND SYRIA: THE HARDSHIP OF BROTHERHOOD that he never felt he
>was an Arab, or that Arabic was his language.  (He nevertheless thinks 
>Maronites should have excellent relationships with their Arab neighbours, 
>especially Syria.)

I guess that reasoning allowed him to participate in the bloody
massacres of innocent Palestinian Arabs in Sabra, Shatilla, and
Tel al-Zaatar without thinking or feeling.

Birds of a feather usually stick together, right?  Assad can probably
give them his key ingredients to seizing power, torturing and imprisoning
political opponents (and other people who refuse to accept that policy),
and maintain the ruthless reign of horror by using an iron-fist.

Anisa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Calender conversion program wanted
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:37:48 GMT

wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:

>First, an important caveat: The Islamic (commonly known as the Hijri) 
>calendar is fundamentally based upon lunar cycles.  However, for historical 
>and some even say religious reasons, the beginning of a Hijri month is marked 
>not by the start of a new moon, but by a physical (i.e., an actual human) 
>sighting of the crescent at a given locale.  (There is no agreed upon
>international Lunar date-line, but that's a different sort of problem.)

>Thus, no Hijri calendar software can be 100% reliable.  Computationally,
>the best one can do is estimate the likelihood of the crescent being visible 
>on a given night at a given locale after the start of the new moon.  
>Using these estimates and a few heuristics, it is possible to 
>compute the beginning of a Hijri month accurately most of the time.  
>On a few occasions, however, the computation of the start of a new month may 
>be off (usually by at most one day).  Such an error does not carry over to 
>the following month; the start of each month is independently computed 
>based on the start of the new moon.

>Waleed Muhanna

   God bless you and reward you. Can you, while you are at it, include
options to explicitly output the dates and calendar with the real hejira
dates (not the physical ones?)

   After last Ramadan, when some people managed to "witness" the new moon
before it was created, I can no longer base my religious behaviour on
political and sightfulness problems.


** wa lqamara qaDarnAho manAzila .haTA ^Ada kal^orjOni lqadIm.
From: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Oct 1973: Yom Kippur War (To Husam)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:47:29 GMT
Reply-To: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Organization: Intel-Corp,_Hillsboro,_Oregon

In article <1992Nov6.013739.28374@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
|>... 
|> One of the greatest tragedies of the Arab vendetta against Israel, in
|> additional to the tremendous loss of life on both sides, is the
|> tremendous price both the Arabs and Israelis have paid in lack of
|> progress, the tremendous resources that have been diverted to warfare
|> (on the part of the Arab states) and defense (on the part of the
|> Israelis) that could have benefitted both their populations if put to
|> productive use.
|> 
What's the difference between Warfare and Defense...? It is the same thing.
The only difference is in the semantics: you accuse your opponent
of conducting warfare against you, but if you do the same, that's
Defense!!
Kind of like spying and counter-intelligence!! If you do it, that's
collecting information (the French call it documentation), but if you 
catch the opponent doing it, then it is spying!!!

|> Obviously, the Israelis have had no choice, since they had to either
|> defend themselves or be destroyed;  but for the Arab states Israel is
|> really a minor piece of real estate, and they've paid a heavy price to
|> try to destroy something so irrelevant in the scheme of things.
|> -- 
Well, Israel is really NOT just a minor piece of real estate in the sand, 
as you put it.
For Arab states and countries, what is at stake is the future of
Palestinians, including those who have not been chased out of their
homeland and given second class citizenship in Israel.

Beyond that, there is the political and psychological meaning of the 
creation of "the zionist entity", which the Arabs have to swallow.
Here's a state created by the western colonial powers in the hart of 
Arab land, at a time when the Arabs were at their weakest, under the 
pretext of providing a "safe heaven" to the jews persecuted by those 
same powers...

In my opinion, because of this historical unjustice, the best the Arabs 
can do is accept a half baked solution to the palestinian problem and try 
to live with it.
And the best israelis can do is to settle the Palestinian issue and work
out a modus-vivendi with the Arab states. The sooner they do it, the
better for them, because time, geo-politiocal shifts and sheer numbers are 
certainly not on their side.

Furthermore, I doubt the back up "insurance" of the USA towards Israel
can be counted on forever, if the israelis try to push their luck...
-- 
..CHEDLEY..
..!{uunet|tektronix|ogicse}!littlei!chedley    chedley@carthago.intel.com     
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Standard Disclaim: The above statements and opinions are strictly mine,
and do not represent any company or organization's position.
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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:56:34 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <27858.9211121256@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>Many articles have been written about ARAB UNITY
>I beleive that ***NO WAY THAT THE ARAB WILL UNITE***
>as long as :
>
>-THE ARAB CHRISTIANS CONSIDER FRANCE IS THEIR MOTHER COUNTRY

Where on earth did you hear this?  None of the Arab Christians
I have met believe this.  Certainly some Maronites in the Lebanon
have depended on France for support, but then just about every
faction there has outside supporters (though mostly non-Western).

>-THE ARAB NATIONALIST WHO THINK THAT SADDAM, ASSAD, AND AFLAG
> ARE GREAT LEADERS

They seem to like it when leaders like Saddam thumb their noses
at the West, no matter what other rape, pillage, and oppression
the leaders do.  Are you implying that you think that this 
undercurrent will change?

>-THE GULF PEOPLE WHO BELEIVE THAT USA IS GOD AND THEIR SAVIOUR

Most of the Gulf Arabs I've talked to are grateful that the US
will defend them, when they really can't count on Arab or Muslim
countries to do this.  If they could trust other Arab or Muslim
countries to help them in a time of need then I'm sure that they
would be much less dependent on the US.  And look look at how,
just because of jealousy, most of the Arab and Muslim world
cheered on Saddam as he raped and pillaged Kuwait.

And I suspect that there are many nervous Gulf Arabs now.  They
don't trust ``Slick Willie,'' where they've come to trust the
word of Bush and Baker.  And Clinton is pretty pro-Israeli,
so they might be nervous about the long-term commitment of
the US to the security of the Gulf.

>           ************
>
>THE ONLY SOLUTION IS THE ISLAMIC UNITY

Yeah, Muslims were really united in decrying the rape and pillage
of Kuwait and Kuwaitis, weren't they?  Do you want them to be
100% united in cheering on the rape and pillage of a Muslim-majority
country?  I know there were some dissenters, but maybe the fundamentalists
in Egypt can kill them, too...

>M.G.
>
>CRDIFF,WALES, U.K.
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mok@frigga.cs.wayne.edu (Mohammad Kanaan)
Subject: Re: Mr Bulbul, Thank you but No
Summary: apology
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:38:35 GMT

In article <nabeel.721008453@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
> mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem) writes:
> 
> >Dear Bulbul,
> 
> >I have no interest in exchanging private e-mail messages with you.
> 
> >If you have anything to say, say it HERE. 
> 
> >If you want to discuss things objectively and "calmly" we must agree
> >on how to do it first.
> 
> >Moustafa
> 
> 
>    I do not have anything to say.
> 
> 

How about an apology for those people whom you have insulted. (a sincere  suggestion).



Mohammad 
mok@cs.wayne.edu
From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re:CONVERSION US & INTERN'L VIDEOTAPES
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:36:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov10.193608.16681
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity


Hi,
 
Because of sevral e-mailrequests, I am posting again this message here for the
benefit of others who might need such service.

There is a service in Raleigh, NC where video conversion from any country format
to any format can be made (VHS, VHS-C and 8 mm types of cassettes).
This will allow playback of videotapes made overseas, here on U.S. TV's and VCR's
(NTSC System). The service will also convert the other way around, from
U.S. system to any of the systems used anywhere else in the world (PAL,
SECAM, etc..) 
 
Mailing Address:  INTERNATIONAL VIDEO CONVERSION
                  520 Harvest Lane
                  Raleigh, NC 27606-2217
 
Phone:            (919) 233-8689
 
Fees:             $20.00 + $5.00 S&H 
                  (Price of a High Grade Cassette Included, 2hrs or less)

Delivery:         Mailed back the next day, express shipping at request. 
 
Payment: 	  Cheque, Cash or Money Order mailed with tape.


Regards,
Hechmi.
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arab Unity
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:54:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

As discussions on 'Arab Unity' continue, I want to point out that there
are at least two very different senses of the word 'Unity':  Political
unity, and Economic unity.  A little reflection should convince most
people that we do not want 'Political Unity' in the Arab world (witness
what happened in the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia).  The more
successful models in today's world emphasize the second, Economic, sense
of the word 'Unity' (e.g. the EC, NAFTA,...).

If what I say is true, then what does cultural/social similarity have to
do with unity?  To put it more forcefully, why does the word 'Arab' have
to be attatched to the word 'Unity'?  

Tamer Abdelgawad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,alt.test,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: _\!/_ Ohm Salam _\!/_
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:22:11 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <9311060536.AA38997@cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk>
o.CRepin-leblond@doc.ic.ac.uk (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J.
Crepin-Leblond) writes:
>
>
>In a recent article "Ohm Salam" uses this alias:
>
>>From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Salam)
>
>In this message I attempt to shed some light over the intention
>of Miss/Mr. Anisa "Ohm Salam" in using this alias. I also hope that
>people use sensible aliases. She/He, "Mr. Bulbul", jle and others do 
>not only use offensive language but also try to aggravate people by
>there aliases, lets see.
>
>Before using this alias she/he used:
>
>>From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Jihad)
>
>This is more aggravating and calling for terrorism. But later when
>a netter (Nabil?) pointed that this alias should not be used she
>used "Ohm Salam" as to let us think that she is inclined to peace.
>
>Note that "Ohm" is the unit of electrical resistance. What would
>"Ohm Salam" mean? Resistance of peace -- "Jihad"! Now, what do you 
>think?

My friend, I do not know what your background is or what is your point of
deprture. Nevertheless I would like to say the following:

If a country is occupied, it is internationally agreed upon that the
inhabitants of this occupied country have the right to *resist* occupation.

More over it is also internationally reconginsed that inhabitiants of an
occupied country can lead a *struggle* to liberate their country.

That Anisa choose resistance for peace, is a sign of good will. Yet do not
expect her to sit back and try to be passive or reluctant to show her desire to
see an ocuupied land freed.

I interpret Anisa's alias as being directed against the Israeli occupation of
the land of the Palestinians and the South of Lebanon. Here then I support her.

If on the other hand, she means by this some Islamic Jihad or resistance for
the sake of implementing Islam as a state religion, then I do not share her
resistance.

Maybe Anisa can explain?

>-- 
>Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond


elie wardini