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From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:12:38 GMT

hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:


>They are trying to make them more like Japanese cars :

>1. The body will be made of soft steel that will show outer rust within 
>   two years, and major rust holes in three, and life- endangering structural
>   corrosion in four.
 
Mostly pre 1984??, older models weren't build for this country. 
A Toyota now can go over 200k miles and many years without major problems.
(this is according to many mechanics that I've talked to, and yes, I do know
there are exceptions for every rule)

>2. They will raise the price of replacement parts 500% so you can pay 
>   $350 for a muffler.

Not always the case. Breaking less often, more complicated parts, shipped
across the world, and smaller volume could explain some of this.

>3. They will narrow the wheel base so that the car will roll over 
>   more easily. 

.97g on the skid pad with these narrow wheel base cars (and narrow tires).
(93 RX-7)
 
>4. A portion of the profits from every car will be paid to car magazine 
>   writers in the form of "consultation fees" to insure that they will
>   ignore any flaws in the Saturn, inflate performance figures, and 
>   create a big hoopla about any minor problem with cars built by
>   other companies. 

Ha??
What mental health establishment are you a consumer at? And, if I
may ask (and in the nicest way), what shade is your neck? bright red, 
medium red, or dark red?  :)

Probably, you are nothing more than some American who will say anything
to defened his American cars.
 

>                                               Larry Mayo

with love from Omaha,

issa
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Honda's labor expense (was Re: J. D. Powers Survey:  The 5+ Years of Ownership Experience)
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:08:39 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"The average worker in the big three is 40 years old which
	results in increased health insurance  and retirement plan
	costs.  Honda can work their young men 20 years before it too
	has to face pension plans and other expenses."

No longer, the rules have changed.  An employer must fund the pension
plan as obligation is accrued, not down the line when payouts begin.
An employee vests either in five years or three to seven years (more
funny rules) so worker age has no effect on pension expenses.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: grant@pentagon-gw.army.mil (Pete Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Pickup Toppers
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:40:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.S. Army Artificial Intelligence Center, The Pentagon

In article <1992Dec27.145114.15049@nosc.mil> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.132050.23506@gagme.chi.il.us> russ@gagme.chi.il.us (Russell J. Price) writes:
>>Does anyone have any recommendations for/against particular pickup caps?  I'm
>>looking for one for a '92 GMC Sonoma (aka Chevy S-10).
>
>mind if I ask something I've wondered about for a *long* time?  just *why* do
>people put those 'things' on a pickup, anyway?  if it's for 'covered-storage',
>then why not buy a van or SUV or Suburban?  I am just curious as to why so many
>people deface a new pickup with one of those hideous things...
>
I can tell you why I did it.  I wanted the ability to haul top soil and large
pieces of furniture and appliances.  The van simply doesn't have the capacity.
I also felt that hauling mud with a van just wasn't appropriate.

My top came off quite often and stayed off for long periods of time.

Pete.
From: junck@okra.fnal.gov (Kevin Junck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Integra handles like pig on skates - what tires to get?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:27:40 GMT
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
NNTP-Posting-Host: okra.fnal.gov
In-reply-to: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU's message of Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:49:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.044955.24956@tc.cornell.edu> eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander) writes:

>   My 88 Acura Integra has just about chewed through its original Michelin MXV
>   tires.  I was utterly unimpressed with these tires.  The steering response
>   on dry surfaces was slow and squishy, with little warning near the breakaway
>   point.  Traction in rain and snow was terrible.  Scary even.
>
>   This car is not a great handler to begin with, so it needs all the help it
>   can get from the tires.  I would be very grateful for suggestions, especially
>   from other Integra owners.  Bear in mind that my days of ripping around
>   corners with a screech are past.  These days my concern with handling is
>   more related to safety than autocrossing, so plus-2 conversions and $200
>   gumballs are out of the question.  Rest of the car is box stock.
>   -- 
>   Julian Vrieslander 
>   Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853    
>   INTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu     BITNET: eacj@crnlthry
>   UUCP: ..cornell!batcomputer!eacj

	I recently put a set of Yokohama AVS U+4's on my 89 Integra.
I haven't had a chance to go out and really push them yet, but in town
they handle very nicely on rain and snow.  Got them from Tire Rack
(1-800-428-8355).  

--
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Fermi National Accelerator Lab                 Batavia, Illinois, USA
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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:45:14 GMT

In article <lkpk2eINNeo4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:

>  And Chrysler still produces mostly pushrod engines.

ummm, how do you figure this?  Chrysler has more pushrod engine-types, but I
strongly doubt that less 2.2, 2.5 and (in the LHs) 3.5 OHC engines are sold
than pushrod engines, since, with exception of the 3.3, the pushrod engines are
only available in trucks...  perhaps 'Chrysler *offers* mostly pushrod engines'
is a truer statement...

as for the implication that pushrods are somehow 'evil' or something...  please
show me another vehicle that does all of the following --

	has a GCWR of 16000lbs
	tows 10000lbs
	carries 3800lbs
	weighs 5900lbs *empty*
	gets 20+mpg

that vehicle has two valves per cylinder and pushrods, just as God intended...

Walt K.
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:10:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>The Taurus is a Greek goddess now? and I thought it was one of the most
>boring looking cars there is. Go figure  :)
>I guess, it takes all kinds.

When the Taurus came out it was anything but a "boring" car.  I hated
the way it looked (still do, come to think of it), but it was
certainly *different* and not at all *boring*.

Now that it's got a few years under its belt and there are millions of
'em out there people have become accustomed to its looks, but it
wasn't always so.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford)
Subject: Looking for a Cargo Carrier for a Minivan
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:03:58 GMT
Summary: Cargo Carrier for Plymouth Voyager Minivan WANTED


I have a 1992 Plymouth Voyager with the factory luggage
rack and am looking for a Cargo Carrier to fit in/on
the luggage rack. Everytime I see a minivan with a
carrier, it's the Sears Big Box Carrier. My question
is: Is that the only carrier available, or are there
others that may be a little bit more aerodynamic and
sleek. I might even be interested in a soft shell
carrier that could strap down to the luggage rack.
Any responses would be appreciated. Please send to:

Scott G. Crawford
AT&T Bell Labs
Team SABLIME
908-580-5324
att!mozart!scott
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How About that Ford!
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:06:53 GMT
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1993Jan8.125026.16258@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmh@Turing.ORG (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.234804.18541@pentagon-gw.army.mil> grant@pentagon-gw.army.mil (Pete Grant) writes:
>>The news is out and official:  Ford Taurus is the best selling
>>car in the United States, beating out Honda Accord that has
>
>Not so fast, according to Automobile Magazine.
>The 10 best selling cars for the '92 model year are:
>
>Honda Accord                           387,881
>Ford Taurus                            347,534

1992 model year sales and sales within the year 1992 are two different stats.

Also, I find it interesting that they could come up with final stats for
the '92 mdoel year, as I still see some '92 Tauri on the lots.


--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

 "The driver says, 'One more cup of coffee and I'll be all right...'
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From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car dealers
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:02:04 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1993Jan5.010044.10439@tandem.com> ratan@stationd.storage.tandem.com (Ratan Tipirneni) writes:

>a little bit.  He went out of the office and came back with his manager.
>The manager was extremely rude and insisted that we pay a $300 fee for the
>advertising tax which I refused.  As he continued to be rude and obnoxious
>we just got up and were preparing to leave the dealership.  At this point the
>manager said something very abusive to us and used foul language, which
>really offended me and my wife.  

I wonder if anyone has tried being abusive back at one of these, as they're
leaving. Just curious as to how that scenario would have progressed...

-h
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Handling of 85 Toyota Celicas
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:19:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1993Jan6.183230.11467@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.165704.4053@wam.umd.edu>, asher@wam.umd.edu (Yes it's me....Asher) writes:
>|> 		I recently bought a used 85 Toyota Celica. Overall, it's 
>|> 	alright, but the handling sucks. Whenever the car goes over bumps,
>|> 	it literally "shifts", that is, it just "jumps". I used to own a 82
>|> 	Tercel and it could handle turns (and bumps) at high speeds really
>|> 	well. I was wondering if anyone else has similar problems with 
>|> 	Celica's or if anyone has any advice that I could use. Thanks.
>|> 	BTW, I have thought about my shocks. They are in fairly good shape,
>|> 	and I  doubt if they are the cause of the problem. Thanks.
>
>Asher.. if your '85 Celica is the GT model, it has the same
>suspension as the Supra's of that year.. and I can promise you
>the suspension and handling shouldn't "suck"!

Nope; the GT wasn't four-wheel independent.  I think you meant to say the 
GT-S, which had the P225/60HR14 rubber, 4-wheel independent suspension, etc.
(I have an '85 GT-S liftback, myself.)  It's basically the Supra without
the V-6 motor and with a shorter nose.


--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

"Fall not in love; it will stick to your face."    -- Deteriorata
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Get a car heated in winter: How long is appropriate?
Keywords: Heating
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:49:48 GMT

In article <C0G89q.Dox@news.iastate.edu> rdu@iastate.edu (Runqing Du) writes:
>I own a 1990 Nissan Sentra-XE 2dr sedan. And I live in central Iowa.
>My car is always parked outdoor.
>
>My wife usually idles the car for 15-20 minutes in a cold winter morning, say
>0 degree Farenhite. But i think 7-8 minutes should be enough and excessive 
>idling will do harm to the engine. Would some guys please give me a
>professional answer to this question. Please email me or post in this network.
>

having lived in MN for 1/2 my life, I know how cold cars can get in
the winter time as the temp starts dropping:

7-8 minutes, or however long it takes you to scrape the windows (all of
them, not just a peep-hole) should be more than sufficient

>BTW, how long should you heat your car at 10pm with previous driving being 
>around 4:30 pm?
>

if you can safely do so, get a dip-stick heater and plug your car in - it
saves having to run outside during the night to warm up the car - the last
few years I lived there I ran a heavy duty extension cord out a window,
across the yard and plugged my car in (it was in a turn-around in the alley)

otherwise, we used to run the cars about 10-15 minutes, so they would get
warmed up without overheating and freezing up - also, if you can wait till 
11pm to do the job, its a bit better, the coldest part of the evening
hasn't come yet, and, if you don't leave the house till late you may want
to consider running it again in the morning, especially if the temp gets
lowered even more so by the wind chill

good luck


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From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: pop-up lights
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:06:02 GMT
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems

In <MUCIT.93Jan6160006@slate.cs.rochester.edu> mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes:

>In article <63190@mimsy.umd.edu> hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>>   I'd really like to see a maximum height requirement as well, forcing
>>   high-riding 4x4 types to stop blinding me from behind.  Maybe we
>>   could encourage some sort of pop-down headlight arrangement :-)

>I was on 490 around 2am one night and one of those was 60ft behind me.  Just
>as I started mumbling obscenities, its driver turned the headlights off!
>When he/she took an exit a few miles later, the lights came back on so 
>I know it was courtesy not malfunction.  Has this happened to anyone else?

I should be so lucky. I've tried courtesy here in the D.C. area, figuring
it might be contagious. Seems as how they have all had their shots. :-(

>>   -hagger

>-M

REB
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: Photo-radar....
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:13:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.145326.4640@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
>By the way, is photo radar in GA?  My understanding is that it is in only a few
>locations, and the public out-cry of 'big brother', no safety benefit, etc, have
>prompted its removal in at least one location (even when the local looses money!).
>
>
>-
>Troy Frericks                      Internet: troyf@MICROWARE.COM
>Microware Systems Corporation          UUCP: uunet!mcrware!troyf
>1900 NW 114th St                      Phone: (515)224-1929
>Des Moines, IA 50325-7077               Fax: (515)224-1352

Just for reference Photo Radar is against the law in New Jersey.  The law
was signed by the governor sometime last year.
----------------
Alex Rodriguez
Columbia UNiversity
New York City
Dodge Omni GLH Turbo & Fiat X 1/9
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Ford Tempo Stalling
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:04:42 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

>In article <C0G3Hr.3EL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v128fm4v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott W Parks) writes:
>|> Anyone had any problems with a 1990 Tempo Stalling??
>|> 
    Never heard of a "Stalling".  Is that Ford's new freeway
    commuter special model?
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: KILL ME! >Re: Diamante Wagon<
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 18:18:41 GMT

ICK... I am at college now, and don't get around much, but today, here in
little iddy bitty Melbourne Florida, I SAW A DIAMANTE WAGON... I almost
passed out I laughed so DAMN hard... who's idea was this? How much
acid did he drop?

HAVE YOU SEEN IT?
If you ever see me behind the wheel of one of these..KILL ME!!
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fayne@tellabs.com (Jeffrey Fayne)
Subject: Sable/taurus Wagon Car Phone/Stereo Questions
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:59:48 GMT


I am purchasing an '89 Sable Wagon from a friend and was interested in finding
out where most people have their car phone transceivers mounted.

I am yanking my old car phone out and re-installing it in the Sable, but
I'm not sure which side I will be putting the transceiver/antenna. I don't
have posession of the car yet, so I can't go digging around to find a suitable
location.

Also, what about aftermarket stereos/speakers? According to Crutchfields,
they claim most radios will fit (7inch mounting depth) except a pull-out.
Why not a pull-out?

As for speakers, they claim only certain 6 1/2 inchers will fit in the doors
and rear roof locations.
Crutchfield classifies this car as a "special application" as far as speaker mounting is concerned.

I plan on buying a new system for this car and would be interested in hearing
what other Sable owners did.



				Thanks-in-advance,

					Jeff
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From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ford Service in Rochester, NY
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:18:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Could anyone suggest a decent Ford Service center in Rochester?
I'm looking for competent mechanics(aren't we all?), but I won't
say inexpensive, 'cuz most Dealers charge around 45$/hour.  Thank you

Adam 
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: anthonys@hpwarbx.hp.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:50:44 GMT
Subject: GM ECM operation question
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Waltham, Mass
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Reply-To: anthonys@hpwarbx.UUCP ()
Summary: Want to know ECM sensors being used on coastdown

Hi everyone!

Quick question - I have an Isuzu I-Mark RS which has a GM-Delco ECM unit
  and I have an intermittent drivability problem (aren't these the best
  kinds of problems :) ).  When I push the clutch in and coast down to
  a stop, there will be times when the idle drops to a VERY low RPM (i.e.,
  between 400 - 600 RPM), when it should be 950.  I can tell that the ECM
  is "struggling" at that time to raise it.  Once I come to a stop, though,
  the idle comes right up to where it should be and there's no problem.

The ECM uses the following sensors:

	a)  Coolant sensor
	b)  Speed sensor
	c)  Pwr. steering load sensor
	d)  A/C sensor
	e)  MAP (manifold absolute pressure) sensor
	f)  MAT (manifold absolute temp.) sensor
	g)  Idle air control valve
	h)  Throttle position sensor
	i)  Oxygen sensor

The only sensors I think that could affect this would be the speed sensor,
  the MAP sensor, the MAT sensor, the idle air valve, and/or the oxygen
  sensor (of course, it could be a busted vacuum hose for all I know).  The
  speed sensor I'm sure works (since the speedo works).  What I need to know
  is what the ECM looks at when the car is coasting down.


Any ideas?!?!  Please e-mail responses to me since our mailer doesn't like the
  rec.xxx groups.  Thanks!

- Anthony (anthonys@hpwala.hp.com)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: zrol01@trc.amoco.com (Richard O. Lindsay)
Subject: Re: warm up a car in winter again: anyone
Reply-To: zrol01@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:46:31 GMT


I warm my Jag V12 up for 5 to 10 seconds.  Even when it is 
very cold.  That is, just long enough to be sure that the 
oil pressure is up to par.  However, I also follow a scheme 
similar to the new engine break-in plan when its cold.  That 
is, keep revs moderately low (<3000rpm) but more importantly, 
don't pull the engine down.  A hard pull is more distructive 
than overreving a new (cold) engine.  And as Horace Dediu 
states, it isn't as silky smooth as I would like but it doesn't 
have combustion chambers full of carbon either.

Rick

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From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:45:22 GMT
Distribution: na

keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:

>In article <1ii9c7INNqnr@transfer.stratus.com> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com writes:
>>In article <thzr00h@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>> In article <1993Jan6.185357.28923@oakhill.sps.mot.com>  
>>rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:


>>But I like my Saturn (SL2) because it's *fun to drive* - handling,  
>>acceleration, braking, steering feel, lateral seat support all combine
>>to make the Saturn infintely more exciting that the "please everyone"
>>Accord and Civic "blandmobiles".
>>
>>It's kind of like well-constructed and reliable 16v VW . . .



>               NOT!



This reply is right. It's NOT. The Saturn is WAY more reliable than
VW. Ask JD powers. For that matter any car is more reliable.
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