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From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: How do you get the operating system(s) back ?
Summary: How do you get the operating system back in working order ?
Keywords: backup tape os/2
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:40:08 GMT

Ok, ive gotten pretty advanced about getting *ALL* of my system on and off
tape. But I still have a big problem. If you erase the entire system, even
leaving the boot sector intact (ie, just delete all subtrees of root), then
restore it to be identical to the way it was before, it will not boot.
I tried the experiment after having dual booted out of os/2 back to dos, 
then save entire disk, erase and restore. It *looks* identical.
I'm not a DOS expert. Are they relying on a special arrangement (position) of
the system files to accomplish the boot ?
Do any of you all know of a SCSI based backup solution that will *REALLY* 
backup the drive (like an IMAGE backup).
As it is now, if your disk gets totally roached, and you must bring it 
completely back from the dead, you must:

     1. Reformat.

     2. Restore the entire volume.

     3. "Rip" out the os directories and files to insure
     a clean install (for instance, the os/2 SP would not
     install properly over anything but a "clean" GA, and
     Windows NT refuses to write over itself AT ALL. 
     ever try to get rid of all os/2 files ? Try it when
     youve just lost your disk and are mad).

     4. Reinstall the operating system(s) (which for me
     means Dos, WIN NT, OS/2 GA followed by SP or about
     1 - 2 hours work).

There has to be a better way !

                                              [sam]

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From: Chris.Collins@f366.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Adaptec 1542B don't work
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 12:54:10

 > From: weiss@staff.tc.umn.edu () 
 > Organization: University of Minnesota 
 >  
 > I just bought an Adaptec 1542B so I could reinstall and USE OS2 with the 
 > added storage of my 90MB Bernoulli. 
 >  
 > It doesn't work for me--I get a "SYS 0026 The specified disk...cannot be 
 > accessed" when I change to the scsi drive (Bernoulli) and do a "DIR" inside

 > an OS2 window. OS2 accesses the drive--it whirs during boot --but doesn't 
 > see the files on there already. It was formatted with Adaptec's AFDISK. 
 >  
 > My boot drive is an RLL. The Adaptec is set to BIOS DISABLE (so as to use
ASPI 
 > drivers in DOS), INT 11, SCSI ID 5, LUN 0, i/o address 330, host adaptor:7 
 > and DMA 5. It's set to 5 mb/s DTR, and EVERY possible conflicting card has 
 > been removed from my system--an 8MB 386-25 uncached clone--to no avail. 
 >  
 > This is quite frustrating since the 1542B SHOULD work. 
 >  
 > What might I be doing wrong? 
 > Thanks, 
 >  
 > __jeffrey weiss 
 >  
 >  
Jeffrey, 
     DON'T PANIC! (I love that quote!) You are not doing anything  
wrong. I have a similar setup at this end, except that I use an 88mb  
Syquest rather than a Bernoulli, but I will bet that the principle  
is the same. 
 
     OS/2 treats removeable format media as floppy disks, so it want's 
to see a floppy disk format on the media, no FDISK and such as for  
hard disks. Unload the software that you have on the removeable under  
DOS, boot OS/2 and format the disk under OS/2 and copy your software  
back again. 
 
     I know that this is a pain in the A**E, I have 10 of these 88mb  
cartridges and most were 75% full. 
 
     Supposedly a driver is in the wind from either Adaptec of  
Syquest, but???? 
 
     Hope that this helps. 
 
     Chris 
 
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From: al919@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Halco)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Make COM3 talk to COM4
Date: 4 Jan 1993 03:07:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Some DOS software I'm writing involves async communications, and
I figured using OS/2 to serve as 2 DOS machines would be more
convenient than hooking up two physical computers.  So I
installed a 2-port serial card as COM3 and COM4 and looped the
connectors back on the card.  I modified CONFIG.SYS to correspond
with the serial ports thusly:
 
	DEVICE=C:\OS2\COM.SYS (3,3E8,5) (4,2E8,9)
 
But I _CAN NOT_ get reliable communications between the ports.
What really drives me nuts is that I don't even get REPEATABLE
results.  One time I'll need COM_DIRECT_ACCESS on, the next day
it needs to be off.  COM_SELECT is restricted to the individual
ports.	IDLE_SENSITIVITY is set to 100 (disabled). I know the
physical connection is OK because I can send individual bytes
with DEBUG.  Even when it _almost_ working, one port will send
for a while, than pause until I hit a key in that session.  Other
times it sends nothing, or even refuses to start the session with
an error about another session having access to that port (even
if nothing else but the WPS is running).  I've about run out of
DOS session settings to modify, and I think I'm completely on the
wrong track by now.  What have I overlooked?  BTW, the system is
a 486/33, 16M RAM, SP installed over the GA release.
 
Any and all suggestions will be welcomed.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine)
Subject: Re: Serial I/O cards?
Keywords: serial uart
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:59:14 GMT

>
>Any serial card that you can physically plug the chips into will do just fine.
>There are folks out there who claim that the card must be specifically
>designed for the 16550; this is bunk.
>-- 
>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.

Not quite true.  I recently bought an IO card with a 16450 on it as COM2, had
our electronics technician unsolder it, install a socket, and install
a real NS16550AFN.  OS2 now refuses to even recognize that COM2 is present,
let alone use the uart.

No, I have not tried the obvious test of putting a 16450 in the socket, but
I had a similar experience with an Everex board that was supplied with
a socketed 16550. OS2 wouldn't recognize the COM port on that board either,
lthough ordinary DOS would do so.  Peculiarly enough, the Everex DOS 
diagnostics wouldn't run on their  16550AFN uart  port either, even under 
MS DOS!



Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: SBlaster 2.0 and 2.1 beta MMPM/2....help?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:58:51 GMT

I have installed the OS/2 2.1 beta's multi-media support. It included Sound
Blaster 2.0 support. When I open the Digital Audio Player or the MIDI player,
it tells that it failes to open the Digital Audio device. 

My SB is on DMA1, IRQ5, A220h......
 
I thought I might have a "ghost" conflict with the non-existant second serial
port on the serial card that has my 16550AFN on it.....(it supports IRQ'2 4
and 5, though there are n chips on the board for the second port.)
 
I have removed this card and it changed nothing. 
 
The Sound Blaster works just fine in DOS/WinOS/2 sessions. The drivers
included with the 2.1 beta don't TRAP 'D my system like the original ones did
(with the 2.1 beta).
 
I did notice that the MMPM/2 install of the Sound Blaster has the DMA
selection box "shadowed out". It let me set the IRQ and address, but not the
DMA setting. Could this be a PS/2 "feature"......he says, grasping at straws.
 
I would like to get MMPM/2 working as it was under the GA+SP combination.
Anyone have any ideas?
 
Steve
 

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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: davego@halcyon.com (Dave Oliphant)
Subject: Re: What format are .jpg files in?
Keywords: jpg, gif, pictures, images
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:33:23 GMT

In article <C056J6.4ns@cs.uiuc.edu> joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:
>I have some image files I downloaded which have extension .jpg
>
>The person uploading those files claimed that they are gif files. When I try to
>view them using pmgif (from hobbes), I get an error message saying that these are not gif files. I suspect that they are in jpeg compressed format. Could 
>somebody tell me how I can view these files?
>
>1. Do I have to convert them to gif format? If so, is there a program on hobbes
>   which does it?
>
>2. Are there any other viewers that view these files directly?
>
I dont know about any programs which view .jpg files directly, what I do
is use a program from hobbes called jpegv4.zip.  This program takes a
..jpg file and converts it to a .gif file with the following format:

C:> djpeg -gif somepict.jpg somepict.gif

Then I use SVGA (or something like that) or cview (I think dcview20.zip)
to view the resulting gif file.

To convert several .jpg files at once, I use the following rexx script
from some good person on the net:

/*  DJ.cmd
    ************************************************
    Convert all files in a directory from JPG to GIF
    ************************************************
*/

Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs';  Call
SysLoadFuncs

Err = SysFileTree("*.cmd", Dir, "FO", ,)

IF Err THEN DO
    Say "Not enough memory to load directory"
    Exit
END

DO I=1 TO Dir.0
    Jpg = Left(Dir.I, Length(Dir.I) - 4) || ".JPG"
    Gif = Left(Dir.I, Length(Dir.I) - 4) || ".GIF"
    'djpeg -gif' Jpg Gif
END

Happy New Year!!!!!!



Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: Black Icons
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:17:49 GMT

> QUINN, PAUL writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <28DEC199204125459@pavo.concordia.ca>
> Posted: 28 Dec 92 09:12:00 GMT
>
> Org.  : Concordia University
>
>
>         I seem to have been strucken by the black icon bug.  I installed
> the
> blkicon.zip fix and copied the pmwin.dll.  But when I rebooted I still had
> black icons.
>         I am using an ATI ultra with ATI's Ring 0 800x600 driver.  Does
> anyone
> have any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Paul
> p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca


This may not work, but I suffered from the black icon disease until I put a
cool .BMP in the background instead of the boring single-tone colour.
Without installing the black icon fix, or even the SP (waiting for 2.1, cause
I'm following IBM's if-it-aint-broke-don't-fix-it advice about the SP) I seem
to have cured black icons (and I use a LOT of customized icons)


--
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---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kendall@iat.holonet.net (Kendall Willets)
Subject: Re: Did microsoft really write an OS/2 "Terminator" crash prog?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:18:34 GMT

I think there was a discussion of this in os2.programming a while ago. 
Something about disabling interrupts and then waiting for the the system
to die.  

Virtually any operating system (or DOS/Windoze) can be crashed; the
difference is how easily.  I remember writing a memo to management on a
project a few years ago when they wanted to go from OS/2 to DOS for a
large transaction processor.  I told them that a program-caused crash
under DOS would be "very hard to prevent", but under OS/2 or unix would be
"very hard to cause".  They stuck with DOS, the crash rate exploded, and I
quit two weeks later. 

Earlier this year I heard they were going to move it back to OS/2, after
millions of dollars in the hole.

BTW, this project was at the U.S. Postal Service - try not to think about
it if you buy stamps...  

(Go email and fax!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: DOS session from command line
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:34:25 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <diesel.83@odie.ee.wits.ac.za> diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel ) writes:
>I've got a query on behalf of my brother who would like to know how to how 
>to start a minimal dos session from the OS/2 command line so that the DOS 
>session does not pick up the config.sys defaults - i.e. he wants to start a 
>couple of DOS sessions with only 640k and no EMS or XMS memory allocated to 
>them.
>I tried to post this before but I think somethink went wrong with my mailer.

You have to use a utility like STARTD (or several other alternatives),
available via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner)
Subject: not startup.cmd (was: autostartup - it's gone on too long!)
Organization: Watch the Skies
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:55:41 GMT

In article <BzDGoB.CE3@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler) writes:


   In article <TNT.92Dec16111557@netcom.com>, tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner) writes:
   > a friend _still_ has apps starting up that he setup to autostart under
   > os/2 1.3. he does not want them to startup and neither he nor i can get
   > them to stop coming up at startup. if anyone can help us stop them please
   > send me a note.
   > 
   > background: he migrated his 1.3 desktop to 2.0 when he installed it (this
   > was last spring.summer) and these apps that he formerly wanted to have
   > start up were still coming up. there is no obvious way to stop them. he
   > has restartobjects set to startupfoldersonly and this does nothing to fix
   > this problem. 
   > 
   > my best guess is that the problem requires some work with an ini file
   > editor. has anyone tried this route?

most respondents thought that it was due to an errant startup.cmd. this is
not the case. thanks for the responses though. i failed to mention that
these apps were formally (in 1.3) given the "startup on boot" property in
the old program/properties dialog.

this is a hole in the upgrade procedure between 1.3 and 2.0. the migration
somehow preserves the behavior but does not allow the user to modify it.
-- 
terry
	tnt@netcom.com
From: sillett@edc3jr.gsph.pitt.edu (Robert L. Sillett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Are there new SVGA drivers in OS/2 2.1?
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:49:48 GMT
Organization: Epidemiology Data Center, University of Pittsburgh


To those who have the OS/2 2.1 beta: does OS/2 2.1 support more
SuperVGA cards than 2.0 + Service Pack does?  Or are the choices still
Tseng4000 and Trident 8900c?

I'd imagine that there are a lot of Paradise/WD, S3, and ATI owners
(like me!) who are chomping at the bit to get SuperVGA drivers....

--- Bob

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From: davisar@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: adaptec 1542b install to OS2
Date: 2 Jan 93 10:38:08 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

 I believe you may have gotten a query from me on Compuserve. If you answered
I would have seen the answer since it seems my home computer is on a trip.
It stopped after I tried [unsuccessfully] installing the 1542B for the umptenth
time.  Be that as it may, when it returns, I will still have the same problems.
May I reference the explanation on the following Newsgroup [it is long]:

reference(a): comp.os.os2.misc message 41385 
              msg-id: 1992dec29.164017.4783@memstvx1.memst.edu

Since posting that msg. [and before Toshiba departed] I removed OS2 and 
re-installed it with 1542B in place. I noted that 154x.add was added to my 
config.sys and attempted to continue.  After a variety of attempts at changing
J6(i believe) pins 1 and 5 and J5 pin 3, all I got were errors that stated in 
part 60000,  9084     or      60002, 9084    or parity error.  Never did I get
thru a full boot.
I have the same questions as asked in reference(a).

//davisar@msuvx1.memst.edu//  //bee-eye//
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: cchsieh@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Chia-chou Hsieh)
Subject: Purchase PDK CD-ROM
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:08:07 GMT


IBM Taiwan doesn't sell PDK CD-ROM (p/n:CD111692)

Can you tell me how to purchase this product from U.S.A or other contries ?

Or what's the telephone number of IBM U.S.A. or others ?  

Does anybody know what is Development tool kits (disks ,not CD) ?

I need it very much , but ...


					Chia-chou Hsieh in Taiwan

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) (OS/2)
Subject: Reminder: OS/2 Fiesta Bowl!!!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:41:34 GMT

Don't forget to watch the IBM OS/2 Fiesta Bowl today (Friday Jan 1).
I'm hoping to see some OS/2 commercials and stuff!!!!!!
Please check your local listings so you won't miss it.
IBM, don't let us down!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
From: CUNY/Spartacus <I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 28 Dec 1992 22:29:20 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Dec28.221102.26629@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>,
cambria@smaug.enet.dec.com (Michael C. Cambria) says:
>Do you know if there will be images for 5.25" disks (or if LOADDSKF.EXE
>will be able to "breakup" all the "files mushed together" into 5.25"
>"smaller files"?)
>
>Thanks,
>/Mike

Michael,
     There are separate diskimages for 5 1/4 and 3 1/2.  However
since I only have the Oct 92 CD now I can't tell you whether
both 5 1/4 & 3 1/2 images are included on the new CD.  But
I'm pretty sure they are, however if someone else on this
newsgroup has the new CD they could probably confirm it for
you.  I'm still wondering what else is new on this new CD
compared with the Nov CD which has the C++ compilers.
I guess its still early to ask.

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     I18BC@CunyVM.Cuny.Edu    | Edward Galarza,          .  .  / o   .   .
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     IRC: Spartacus           | City University Of New York  /o  o o    .  .
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From: Mike.Haslam@f41.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Mike Haslam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: November usergroup meeting
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:28:52 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/41 - OS/2 & Windows User, Roodepoort

Yes there was, but due to some miscommunication and the fact that our venue had to be changed, it was not as widely publicised as it should. In fact the meeting was very informative. Our next meeting will be in January and we aim to meet on every FOURTH tuesday of the month. We are also planning to hold a full day conference in March/April timescales as well as holding meetings in Pretoria for our Northern Transvaal members. We are very much alive and well and looking forward to a prosperous new year. I hp


oe you enjoy the festive season and keep in touch with us in 1993.
Reagrds,
Mike Haslam


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From: mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 MIDI drivers for MPU 401?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:38:22 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com writes:

> In <1992Dec17.150524.11859@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh
> >>It looks like third party efforts have been done, but that's not
> >>MMPM/2, granted.
> >>
> I just returned a DAP questionnaire to IBM telling them how little I
> thought of their *Developer's* assistance program (I think it should
> be renamed the Marketer's assistance program, personally).  I had
> posted a message to their VM support venue, saying I was having
> problems thunking down to the 16 bit driver.  After months of trying
> to get them to understand what I was talking about, I got a nice note
> saying that it looked like I had a thunking problem.
> 
> __________________________________________________________
> Greg Bryant                                 (512) 795-0323
> Delta Music Systems                             Austin, TX
> INET: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
> ARPA: wixer!pro-lep!gregb@cs.utexas.edu
> Just consulting.   Not an employee.   Not representing IBM

Sounds like IBM - wasn't there motto "Think"?  Now, its "Thunk".  (Yes, I 
know what thunking from 32-bits to 16-bits means) :-)
 
Matt

mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us
 
[Made in America]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 Beta is OUT!!!!!!!!!!!  Wide Release!
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:45:03 GMT

cvetp036@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
// In article <725427584.0@ttlg.ttlg.UUCP>, Eric.Chan@ttlg.UUCP (Eric Chan) writes:
// > Where can I get a copy? Can you give me the name of the FTP site?
// >  
// > 
// >  * Origin: Mach2 Vulcan OS/2 Systems 1-403-489-4250 (42:100/20)
// 
// It's on CD-ROM for $15 from 1 800 3IBMOS2.
// 
// Now, my question is, can you install it WITHOUT a CD-ROM? As in copying
// the files over to floppies first?
// 
// 

I think you'll find that it will be the same story as the PDK - you'll  run the
install package from the CD-Rom, which will prompt you to throw in a LOT of
diskettes, and from these you'll install the OS. Pity - I rather hoped that we'd
be able to install straight from the CD. Oh well...


-- 
Tom J Parry.
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