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From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE dissing?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:10:27 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:

>In article <1992Dec2.035713.9297@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <ByKEu4.9IG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.) writes:
>>>In article <0f6cfaG00iV2I7_m4R@andrew.cmu.edu> Ravi Pimplaskar <rp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
<deleted.>

>What about one track off Done by the Forces of Nature where they say "Pubic Enemy"?

Well Pubic Enemy is a tribe Called Quest track, pretty good actually,
well not the Virus-mix.. Anyway since Tribe is (was) nursed by Jungle Br.
I think this is more of a pointer to that song instead of a PE diss.
>Mas

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: What If...
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:42:12 GMT

In article <Bz8080.DHy@cs.columbia.edu>, haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.162831.5026@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>Since my favorite hip hop group has been coming up a lot lately, I pose this
>>question:
>>
>>In your opinions, How do you think Boogie Down Productions would have been if
>>Scott La Rock did not die?  
>
>Harking back to my vintage BDP 12" "Now a Word From Our Sponsor/The Bridge Is Over",
>one thing about Scott La Rock is clear...The Brother could not cut the record.
>
>Call him Sir-Mix-Not, not Scott La Rock. I think that BDP improved in musical
>quality after Scott La Rock. Don't get me wrong. His death was a shock and a message
>to the Hip-Hop community that has fallen on deaf ears (Ask T-Pac, Slick Rick,
>Stetsasonic, MC Trouble,...) - STOP THE VIOLENCE IN HIP HOP.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^

What's up with STET and violence?
>
>I think if Scott were still here, we would have more songs like those on 
>Criminal Minded, and less like on By Any Means Necessary

It's funny that you say that, because KRS himself said that if Scott La Rock
was alive, _By Any Means Necessary_ would have sounded more like _Criminal
Minded_.

>I like both albums, but By Any Means Necessary has something positive to say
>about the situation for Black people, violence is only a method of self-defence,
>not a way of doing business, education is the key to our future, not drug dealing
>or ho-hopping,....(IMHO)

_Criminal Minded_, if you listen closely, does have positives in it (eg.
"Poetry").  Also, "Advance," and "Stop The Violence" were made while
Scott La Rock was still alive, though _Stop The Violence_ had a weak beat that
KRS replaced and sounded like it was made in Scott's basement (as a friend of
mine put it).  My point is, positivity was there and some of _Criminal Minded_
was made due to pressure from B-Boy Records.  But _By Any Means Necessary_ was
the more positive album and I'd think Scott's death may have helped this
process along.

>
>
>Dope Vector Productions
>	D.J. Master Of Scientists
>		
>-- 
>Marcus Haupt                            
>Dept. of Comp. Sci.				
>Columbia University
>haupt@cs.columbia.edu

                                            T-Dub
                                            SHYGUY Productions

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: KRS-ONE
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:10:40 GMT

In article <kf9kqde00VQjABw1QO@andrew.cmu.edu>, Brandon Chin <bj+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>
>Listened to some KRS/BDP today and was wondering about the origins of
>his name.  He came to our school (Carnegie Mellon University) last year
>to give a lecture and there were posters up all over campus that said
>that KRS-ONE was actually an acronym for Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over
>Nearly Everyone.  I was always under the impression that KRS-ONE stemmed
>from graffiti-culture.  Perhaps KRS was a writer (graffiti) before he
>was a rapper...and the ONE is a common "suffix" like ROCK (or ROC
>depending on where you're from).  And BDP sounds like a graffiti crew
>(from my knowledge, they usually run in 3 letter sets...like RIS, CTS,
>etc.).  Perhaps the "Knowledge..." came later and started out as a tag. 
>But then again, I could be way off the mark and it all could be a
>coincidence.
>
>Anyone know?
>-bj
>

I *think* I remember reading this somewhere, but you are right where KRS-One,
the name, stems from; graffiti culture/hip hop.  It stood for Kris Number One. 
The Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Every One came later (As did
definitions of a lot of other hip hop names, like Big Daddy Kane's King
Asiatic- Nobody's Equal).  As for the name BDP, Boogie Down Productions, When
the group first came out they were called 12:41 and had a single on Sleeping
Bag Records which really didn't make any noise, so they changed their name to
Boogie Down Productions, with the Boogie Down coming from the Bronx's nickname:
The Boogie Down Bronx.  Productions stems from the fact they 'seemingly' had
their own label, B-Boy Records, in which they were going to put out and produce
other artists, their primary goal.  Never really worked out that way...

                                         T-Dub
                                         SHYGUY Productions

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: To dis or not to dis
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:24:31 GMT

In article <gf_GnAu00iV285V44I@andrew.cmu.edu>, Olayinka Kolawole <hotsauce+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>Well, 
>    I just heard Scoob And Scrap's new joint....'Common Sense' i think
>it's called.....to me inparticular they sounded like average emcees, and
>not at all influenced by their mentor/exemcee.....

I wonder if this is the same track I heard... it doesn't sound like it by the
name though.  The track I heard from them was *crazy* wack.  IMHO, they sounded
as booty as they usually do on Kane's posse cuts.  Definitely not Kane
influenced styles though...

>    But the thing that surprised me is when Scrap (I think it was him)
>says loud and clear....
>
>    '....I even got more flavor than PE'
>
>Now, my question is...is this the PE we all know and love?
>
>Anyone know who/what they are talking about...and by the way if it is PE
>they are talking about...then they are wrong about their flavor.....
>
>                                        'you're welcome'
>                                                ...The Sauce...

They're probably talking about PE in a jokin' type of way.  But when it comes
to flavor, they came give it up, IMO.  Stick to dancing.....
(Now watch them come out with a dope track and make me eat my words....)

                                            T-Dub
                                            SHYGUY Productions

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: KRS-ONE (was New Stuff)
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:25:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.144113.1@acad.drake.edu>, bbe001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>I heard KRS was once homeless, and Ms.Melodie kind of got him back on his feet
>and he also married her. Is this true?

Yep, KRS was homeless, I think he claims for 8 years.  This is eventually led
to hime meeting Scott LaRock and forming BDP...

>Also, I remeber some lyric off of "By Any Means Necessary"- 'my brother's name
>is Kenny, that's Kenny Parker/my other brother ICU is much darker." So does
>anyone know who ICU is? And on Criminal Minded, KRS says something about his
>brother being a rasta. I don't what songs either of these lines are from, just
>from memory. So what's up with KRS' brothers?

Kenny Parker is Kris/KRS's only blood brother.  ICU has been down with BDP for
a long time.  That first line comes from, "My Philosophy."  The second line
comes from, "Word From Our Sponser," and I'm not sure who he is refering to.

>If anybody is interested, KRS also just produced a new Sly and Robbie (DOPE
>reggae bassist/drummer and producers) album,
>it's pretty good.

Is this album new?  I know KRS did a Sly And Robbie album and the first track
was booty with Willie D. on the vocals with a booty rap.  Is this the album you
are talking about, _Deadly Asassin(sp?)_ was the name I think, or is this a new
one?

>
>Brad
>"If you're not willing to stand up for something, you'll fall for anything."
>

                                       T-Dub
                                       SHYGUY Productions

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: 1992 Hip Hop Album Releases
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:29:04 GMT

To refresh everyone's memory, here is a quick list I compiled of all the hip
hop album releases I could remember for 1992.  Hopefully this will help in the
votes not all going to Ice Cube since he had the most recent release.  Also
included are some hip hop influenced albums like Mary J. Blige.  Let me know
what I forgot (I know I missed some people, but I could not remember or find
everything).

                                     T-Dub
                                     SHYGUY Productions

HIP HOP ALBUMS OF 1992:
-----------------------
Arrested Development "3 Years, 5 Months and 2 Days In The Life..."
Eric B. & Rakim "Don't Sweat The Technique"
Beastie Boys "Check Your Head"
Brand New Heavies "Heavy Rhyme Experience"
Brother Uv Da Blakmarket "Ruff Life"
Boogie Down Productions "Sex & Violence"
Bushwick Bill "Little Big Man"
Busy Bee "Thank God For Busy Bee"
Common Sense "Can I Borrow A Dollar?"
Compton's Most Wanted "Music To Driveby"
DJ Quik "Way 2 Fonky"
Da Lench Mob "Guerillas In The Mist"
Daddy Freddy "Raggamuffin Soldier"
Das EFX "Dead Serious"
Diamond & The Psychotic Neurotics "Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop"
Double XX Posse "Put Ya Boots On"
EPMD "Business Never Personal"
Father MC "Close To You"
Doug E. Fresh & The New Get Fresh Crew "Doing What I Gotta Do"
Fu-schnickens "FU - Don't Take It Personal"
Gang Starr "Daily Operation"
Grand Puba "Reel To Reel"
House Of Pain "Shamrocks & Shenanigans"
Ice Cube "The Predator"
Insane Poetry "Grim Reality"
K-Solo "Time's Up"
Kid Frost "East Side Story"
Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo "Live & Let Die"
Lord Finesse "Return Of The Funky Man"
MC Breed "20 Below"
MC Ren "Kizz My Black Azz" EP
MC Serch "Return Of The Product"
Mellow Man Ace
Penthouse Players
Positive K "Da Skills Ta Pay De Bills"
Poison Clan "Poisonous Mentality"
Pooh-Man (MC Pooh) "Funky As I Wanna Be"
Prince Markie Dee & The Soul Connection "Free"
Public Enemy "Greatest Misses"
Redman "Whut? Thee Album"
Red Hot Lover Lover Tone, Self-Titled
Chubb Rock "I Gotta Get Mine Yo!"
Pete Rock & CL Smooth "Mecca And The Soul Brother"
Showbiz & AG "Party Groove/Soul Clap" EP
Showbiz & AG "Runaway Slave"
Shante "The Bitch Is Back"
South Central Cartel "South Central Maddness"
Spice 1 "Spice 1"
Too Short "Shorty The Pimp"
Ultramagnetic MC's "Funk Your Head Up"
Willie D. "goin' Out Lika Soldier"
Yo-Yo "Black Pearl"
X-Clan "Xodus"
Zhigge "Zhigge"

HIP HOP INFLUENCED ALBUMS OF 1992:
----------------------------------
Mary J. Blige "What's The 411?"
Bobby Brown "Bobby"
Full Force "Don't Sleep"
Shabba Ranks "Xtra Naked"
TLC "Oooooooh! On The TLC Tip"
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: What If...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 21:08:19 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- I have some little ideas on why these tracks might not have been made, but
- nothing worth mentioning.  I know I am definately glad to have the pleasure o
- nodding to KRS saying, "I'm Still #1."  One of my all-time favorite BDP cuts,
- and hip hop cuts overall....

Ok...hey, do you know if that remix album from BDP (can't remember the 
name of it right now) but the one from his new albu, is released on DISC 
or TAPE? I know it is on vinal, but due to the fact I have no turntable 
anymore, and don't wanna investin one, I won't buy vinal...Soooo, if you 
know if it is available on tape or disc let me know. I think it has a 
remix done by somefrom from A.T.C.Q. and has them xtra lines 'dissin' PM 
Dawn...

Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: 1992 New Jack Awards
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:48:35 GMT

Just letting everyone know that I now know that Charles Isbell handles/is
handling these awards, so forget my earlier posts on these awards, 'cept the
additions to my quick list of hip hop and hip hop influenced albums of 1992
(thanks to Warren Watts, Roop and Crafts @ MIT for some of the additions).

                                 T-Dub
                                 SHYGUY Productions
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From: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly)
Subject: Re: KRS-ONE (was New Stuff)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:01:42 GMT

>In article <1992Dec14.201154.23027@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly) writes:
>> 
>>        Yes KRS did produce a Sly & Robbie album called "Silent Assasin". I 
>> couldn't believe how sorry it was. It had 1 good song- "Party Together" which
>> is the only song that KRS rapped on. The other songs were done by Queen Latifah
>> and some MC named the Shah of Brooklyn. We never heard from the Shah again, and
>> if you listen to him, you'll know why.
>> 
>> 
>>                                           -Roop
>Yes, that's true. But let me just clarify who made it booty- well, let's just
>say it wasn't Sly and Robbie. They have done a lot of experimentation through
>their loooong career, including doing stuff w/ Herbie Hancock, Grace Jones,
>Mick Jagger and lots more. These guys are THE SHIT in the (roots) reggae world.
>Maybe this is more appropriate for rec.mus.reggae, but the Riddim Twins are
>definately worth checking out. Check out the older stuff from the late 70's-
>check out "Crucial Reggae," "Sly and Robbie Present Taxi," "Raiders of the Lost
>Dub"- just check out whatever you can get.
>Tear the roof of the mutha sucka----------------------------------------------
>Brad
 
      We agree here. I don't know many specifics, but Sly and Robbie (along 
with Steelie and Clevie) seem to produce/perform all the dopest reggae/dance-
hall tracks. 

                                                         -Roop


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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Pete Nice & Richie Rich's new joint...
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:00:33 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Dec11114238@panther.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>|>This weekend, I heard the first new shit from Pete Nice & Richie Rich... the
>|>name of the cut is called "Rap Prime Minister and Daddy Rich", and
>|>it is crazy phat!  If this single is any indication of what Pete
>|>Nice & Rich have in store, then their new album will be all that and
>|>a bowl of grits... The way Richie Rich cuts up Kane's "...rap Prime
>|>Minister, some say sinister..." and "...Daddy 
>|>Rich..." (from the 3rd Bass album) is pure hip hop enjoyment.  Can't wait for
>|>the new shit.
>
>I have a hard time buying this.  Pete Nice has always rapped like he's
>constipated.  I always preferred Serch's style.
>--
>Peace.

I dunno.  I've always prefered Serch myself and thought his new album was
pretty good, debut-wise, but last night I popped on The Marley Marl remix of,
"Product Of The Environment," and both serch and Pete Nice came off with the
new beat behind them.  I thought this was the best record either had ever
flowed on at the time.  So, it is possible that Pete Nice may come off.  I
wonder how the beats are gonna be.....

                                           T-Dub
                                           SHYGUY Productions

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From: wburton1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Shotgun)
Subject: Re: Double XX Posse
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:25:45 GMT

I thought this album would be dope cuz of "Not Going to Be Able To Do It"


   																					WRONG--WRONG----WRONG---

After a while, I was ticked at hearing at hearing the same people over and
over again.   All of the lyrics, I think, are corny and the version of
Not.. which appears on the album is slightly different.  Oh well, most
album cuts suck when compared to the remixes.

On another note, the DIAMOND & PSYCHOTIC NEUROTICS IS PHAT!!!!!!!!!!

			THE RAP GROUP "SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS" IS ALSO PHAT!! A DEFINITE PICK UP
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR A TOTALLY DIFFERENT KIND OF RAP.  HARD-HITTIN'
GRID-IRON STORYTELLIN' WHICH HITS HOME IN A U-NIQUE WAY. 

			IS THERE ANYTHING NEW FROM NO FACE OR B.W.P.  HOW IS THE NEW FRESH KID
ICE ALBUM?  


	P.S. PICK UP THE NEW REMIX OF "ACTION" BY THE POISON CLAN. IT'S DEFINTELY
PHAT!!!

  

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Pete Nice & Richie Rich's new joint...
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:59:25 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Dec11114238@panther.ai.mit.edu> Charles L Isbell writes:
>
>Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>|>This weekend, I heard the first new shit from Pete Nice & Richie Rich... the
>|>name of the cut is called "Rap Prime Minister and Daddy Rich", and
>|>it is crazy phat!  If this single is any indication of what Pete
>|>Nice & Rich have in store, then their new album will be all that and
>|>a bowl of grits... The way Richie Rich cuts up Kane's "...rap Prime
>|>Minister, some say sinister..." and "...Daddy 
>|>Rich..." (from the 3rd Bass album) is pure hip hop enjoyment.  Can't wait for
>|>the new shit.
>
>I have a hard time buying this.  Pete Nice has always rapped like he's
>constipated.

He must admire Dean Smith's coaching style during a game. =^)

>--
>Peace.
>            "You're not drunk until you have to grab the
>             grass to keep from falling off the Earth"
>                                   -\--/-
>    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
>          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
>                                   -/--\-
>
-- 
--David J.-----------------------*********************************************
--Blue Riddle Productions 1993---   "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE"
--dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu-          Coming in 1993 from BRP.
--The Science is upon us...------*********************************************
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From: agoyo1@athena.mit.edu (Acee Agoyo)
Subject: Re: What If...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:35:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.203944.24282@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly) writes:
|>         "Real rap asks you to rise up and stand tall/
|>          Phony rap has you thinkin' you're a Paper Doll."
|> 
|>                                                -KRS 1
|>                                                 from ??? <-trivia question
That shit is from "Feel the Vibe, Feel the Beat" the b-side of the Shaheed remix
of "We In There."  The song is too hype!

"Boogie Down Productions aint no crossover act"
Acee Agoyo
agoyo1@athena.mit.edu
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From: gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin)
Subject: "7 wonders of the world"- Arrested sample
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:59:18 GMT

To whoever was asking about the "You are about to witness the eigth wonder
of the world," Arrested Development sampled that on 5 years 3 months,
whatever.  Side B first song (I think) :-)


--
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From: ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi)
Subject: Re: id who stole this sample
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:54:26 GMT

In article <Bz9IJ7.7H1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes:
|> This was stolen from James Brown.. I heard the original James Brown song
|> and went: "Ooo! who took that?? Damn, I cant remember" and its been driving
|> me bonkers... the sample is "Ladies and gentlemen, there a seven acknowledged
|> wonders of the world, you are about th\o witness the eight..." and "this is
|> the JB!"
|> 
|> who dis?
|> 
|> -Dan



Everyone from SHazzy to Les Freres de la Jongle (Jungle the bruthas, Jungle the
bruthas, Jungle the bruthas, yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!)
From: cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Lyrics
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:05:21 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Hello all,

	My friend's niece would like the lyrics to the following song,

	If you have them or know where I could get them, let me know by
e-mail since I don't have enough time to read news (finals)


	Grand Puba - 360 degress (What goes around)

	Wreck N Effex (sp?) - Rump Shaker

	Das Efx - Welcome to the Sewer ( I'm sorry I forgot the name but
it has something to do with the sewer)

	Mad Dog (???) - Flex  (Goshj I forgot that one too, I have the
single too)

					Thanks,


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