From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: alt.discrimination = alt.caucasian
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:41:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan16.070036.3324@anomaly.sbs.com> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>>Are you saying that an increase in the number of African Americans moving
>>into a once pristine white area is always accompanied by an increase in
>>the crime rate ?
>
>I believe that you are attempting to place words in my mouth again (something
>you seem to do quite often.)
>
>I have stated that perhaps the reason "white" people moved out of a
>particular neighborhood was due to an increase in the crime rate. It
>certainly has been a large contributing factor in my area.
>
Now here you state that you KNOW that the increase in crime, in your area,
plays a part in the whites moving away. You also IMPLY that this is due
to an increase in the number of "minorities" moving into your area. By 
minority am I to assume you mean AfAms ?

>
>>So in your rather scientific survey, you have made a connection between the
>>increased number of minorities moving to an area with an increase in the crime 
>>rate ?
>
>Please quote me the section of my posting where I said that.
>
You stated previously that the whites in your area are moving out in part due
to the increase in the crime rate. I would like to know what source are you using
to judge whether or not the crime rate has actually increased in your area.

>I stated that in this particular area, we have seen more affluent minorities
>move to our section of the city. We have also seen the crime rate rise in
>this area as well. I did not state that there was a coorelation between the
>migration of minorities into this area and the rise in the crime rate. 
>However, I do believe that minorities may be more tolerant of crime than
>us poor white folk are, and subsequently are less likely to move out of
>an area where an increase in crime occurs.

Now here you do it again ! You IMPLY that there is a correlation. Get real !
Then you make another ridiculous statement by saying that "maybe" minorities
are MORE tolerant of crime than whites ???? Your stupidity never ceases to  
amaze me !

>
>You attempt to take two particular events - minority migration into a
>white area, and white "flight" from that area - and attempt to claim
>that the latter is the result of the former. This is once again one of
>those "blanket assumptions" you like to make, when in reality you have no
>evidence or statistical proof that the causation you are attempting to
>show does, in fact, have any basis in reality.

By the fact that as soon as the AfAm population in a given "white" area 
reaches 8%, the whites feel the need to move.

>
>BTW: I expect you to post a retraction to your slanderous accusation.
>

Get over it and move on. I did not say anything that you yourself didn't
say or IMPLY already...

>
>>Your rather simplistic correlation just shows me that you
>>harbor pretty racist sentiments.
>
>Your own groundless accusations show your apparent hatred for whites,
>to the extent that you are willing to delude yourself into thinking
>that there is a racist conspiracy under every rock. What a sad 
>existance you must lead.

No conspiracy.... Just facts....

>
>
>>You didn't even consider that the supposed
>>rise in crime, which you have conviently left out, could be due to something
>>OTHER than an increase in the number of BLACKS (minorities) in your area.
>
>Please provide quoted evidence that I stated blacks were the cause of the
>increase in crime. Otherwise, I expect you to post a retraction to your 
>slanderous accusation.

Once again..... You stated that there was an increase of crime in your area
and then you state that there has been more minorities moving into
your area, then you finally say that maybe minorities are more tolerant of
crime than whites..... Sounds to me like you are saying that the increase
of crime in your area is related to the increase in the minority population
in your area. You also stated in a previous posting that the reason why the
whites in a given area move when the AfAm population reaches 8% could be 
due to an increase in the crime rate. You said it not me.

>
>
>>Talk about creating facts! You have done a pretty good job of that.
>
>What "facts" are those, other than the statements I have made with regards
>to my particular area? I can certainly make comments about the city I
>live in moreso that you can, especially since my father is a 30-year
>law enforcement veteran in the city. My comments have merely demonstrated
>that there are alternative explanations for the "racist conspiracies"
>you claim exist. Of course, I don't expect you to like the fact that
>someone has torn down your house of cards.
>
What facts ! You have only given your OWN views, not facts.

>
>>Well considering that he DID have a chance and failed miserably, I think
>>that it is obvious why the AMERICAN people had to make a change.
>
>Gee, that's not very liberal of you, is it? I thought liberals were also
>so keen on second, third, and even more chances at "proving" oneself.
>
>
Who said I was a liberal ???

>At least you're willing to admit that you cannot discuss the issue
>rationally.

Like you know what rational is .......HA HA HA 
>
>
>MD
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