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Subject: Re: EVERTON
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:46:52 +0000







In article <1993Jan28.160642.6550@alf.uib.no> s009@brems.ii.uib.no (Arne
Rivenes) writes:

>|>      sorry, Arsenal have been in the First (Premier League) since football
>|>      resumed after the end of the First World War (wait for comments on how
>|>      they bribed their way to be "promoted").

Arsenal bribed their way into Division One in 1919 :-)

>|>      I don't think that Everton are even the second longest survivors but I
>|>      am sure other netters will know.

>Everton are the second longest survivor, they got up in '54 (i think).
>Liverpool are third with '65, and United fourth with '75.
>I got all this from my memory, wich somtimes overflow, so there might
>be some mistakes.

Liverpool were promoted in 1962. You overlooked Coventry City, who are the
fourth longest tenants, promoted to Division One in 1967 for the first
time and ever-present since.

As noted by other posters, Everton have spent the longest time in total
in the top division, 90 seasons out of 94. Arsenal hold the record for the
most consecutive seasons in the top flight, 67 seasons (if my arithmetic
is correct), 1919-20 to date. Sunderland are next best with a run of 57
seasons from 1890-1 to 1957-8.

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From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Jinky's European Stage
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:50:42 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


In article <1993Jan25.162858.25531@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> There was a classic in yesterdays Sunday Mail from that great orator Liam
> Brady which probably qualifies him for a seat on the board.
> 
>                        "Gazza For Celtic!" by Alex Gordon
> 
> English international superstar Paul Gasgoine could be playing at Parkhead
> this year! But Celtic are not poised to make a sensational transfer bid for
> the $5.5 million-rated attcking midfielder.
> 
> Liam Brady will fly to Rome today to have talks with Gazza's club Lazio in an
> attempt to arrange a glamour friendly in Glasgow.
> 
> The Celtic manager told me last night: "Our fans deserve to see the best.
> That's why I'll be trying to bring Lazio and Gazza to Parkhead. A club of
> Celtic's standing must be seen to compete at this level. I'll also talk to my
> old club Inter Milan. They, too, would be a good draw at Parkhead..."
 
> In disecting this piece of certain parts stand out like sponsors on a Celtic
> jersey:
 
> 1) "Glamour friendly" - with Rome's second team. Well OK, it is Glasgow's
> third team after all.

Lazio are currently sitting in 4th place in Serie A, well above Roma the no. 1
side in the Eternal City.  The presence of Signori, Fuser, Doll, Winter and
even Gazza (assuming he'still there) may not represent "glamour" in the eyes of
fans of Scotlands No. 1 works eleven, but for Glasgow's No. 3 team (the Jags
did win the 6's afterall, ;-)) its an attractive proposition.

> 2) "A club of Celtic's standing must be seen to compete at this level" - now
> pardon me, but doesn't the UEFA Cup give Celtic such a platform and the
> reason they aren't playing European opposition is that they couldn't compete!
> Have they run out of back doors .... And what level perchance, that of Clyde
> maybe, or the also-rans in the Premier League?

Currently 3rd in the league, unlucky to go out to a very able German
side-improvement is needed and games against European sides would seem like a
sensible idea in the development of a team.
 
> 3) "a good draw at Parkhead" - well they wouldn't manage to beat them anyway!
> Would the crowd be greater than the 16,000 that watched Clyde last week?

That's a tough one.
 
> 4) It'll probably be the only European teams visiting Parkhead this year
> judging by the current league positions.
> 
> Enter stage left Paul and Chris.....

....and the applause begins ;-)

 
>  Scott Jackson

Judging by current league positions and if they remain unchanged, then Celtic
will indeed be competing in Europe next season.
Inter, Milan's 2nd team, would be a more attractive fixture and it is to the
shame of the Bored that this fixture was not arranged last year in celebration
of the first British triumph in the EC1.
Mr Brady, planning for the future?  The Glasgow branch of Gamblers Anonymous
await with interest ;-).


Chris
aka Sean Star, exiting stage right.

....and over to Paul?
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From: aldot@maths.tcd.ie (Alan Dalton)
Subject: SPURS
Summary: SPURS
Keywords: winning
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:44:19 GMT

As the famous line goes "I had a dream".
last night as I sat watching another nights tedium on the box a strange thing
happened.
     A vision errupted in my head,my wandering mind was stopped dead in
it's tracks.The horrible clould engulfing the SPURS season had amazingly
lifted and there we stood at the top of the division
the picture stood clear in my mind : the team standing in the centre of
White Hart lane,the stadium filled to capacity,the roar engulfing the whole
of London and there in front of me stood Mabbut with the cup in his hand
beating off his team mates hands
    And then another vision came to me,the league table appeared before me
and as I marvelled at us sitting prouldly at the top of the table,my joy 
turned into complete and utter ecstacy as I saw before me the ARSE-NIL 
hiding behind united at the bottom of the table!!
     Alas Alas visions are but for the pretender and and this the hour
of my discontent I awoke to the realisation that such a notion
is but wishful thinking in our darkest hour
I think the word I am looking for is "SACK"   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: olori@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (daniele olori)
Subject: Sampdoria - Brescia
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:54:20 GMT

Next Sunday we will play in Genova against Sampdoria. It is a very hard game for us. We hope at least in a draw.
The formation will be , probably :

1) Landucci
2) Negro
3) Rossi
4) De Paola
5) Paganin
6) Bortolotti
7) Sabau
8) Domini (cap.)
9) Raducioiu
10)Hagi
11)Giunta

Now a question: Who is the trainer of Brescia? If you answer correctly, you are a real knoer of italian soccer.
Hint: it is not a simply question !


				 CIAO

                              MiticoLogo
From: nydec@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Charles Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man Utd vs. Brighton (again!)
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:10:24 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of Westminster

Well, it's that time again. It's time for the F.A. Cup fourth round. Well, this
is where we failed last year (no, we haven't forgotten you, Tim Flowers and the
rest of your Southampton bunch!) but it was on penalties, so it doesn't count!
Anyway, this is the first time we will have faced Brighton in the F.A.Cup since
that glorious victory in 1983. Someone said to me the other day that we were
lucky to win! LUCKY!!! We won 4-0!!! O.K., so they should have scored in the
last minute of the first match, but fate had its day! Anyway, with the form we
have at the moment, the current Brighton side which aren't a patch on the
Brighton of old, should pose us no problems whatsoever! I mean, we come in to
this match on the back of four straight wins, not to mention that brilliant 3-3
draw on Boxing Day at Hillsborough! Anyway, with Coventry (5-0), Bury (2-0),
Spurs (4-1) and Q.P.R (3-1) under our belts, we should be home and dry.

Any guesses for the fifth round draw?
 
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Liverpool for Division 1
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:23:23 RSA

This is a cry out to all anti-Liverpool fans out there. Please pray that
the slide at Liverpool continues and that they get relegated to the 1st
Division. The rate at which Liverpool are going, it could be a reality !
In the 1950's Liverpool belonged in the lower division and it is appropriate
that they return there.
 
Hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee !!
 
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Union of Irish soccer
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:08:05 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <cgllgher.727522826@unix2.tcd.ie>, cgllgher@unix2.tcd.ie ( ***RED-DEVILS*** *) writes:

|>There is possiblities that the F.A.I and the I.F.A(the Northen
|>Association) will join their seperate leagues together.Difference's
|>have to be agreed and talks are currently taking place,If they
|>join it could produce exciting results.They have already agreed
|>to amalgamate youths, the proposals could come with new decent
|>all-seater stadia being built and clubs better financed.This
|>is at talks but could result in one Irish soccer team in five
|>to ten years.Also there is still a lot of bitterness and
|>jealousy to get over and there doubtlessly be political
|>objection's from both sides.Hopefully these can be resolved 
|>and Irish soccer become something to be proud of.
|>


Where did you get your information?

There is nothing in the press.  I would think such a union is very
unlikely and I doubt very much if there is any talk on such a union
among the 2 football associations.

I know of such such amalgamation of youth football.  This strikes me as a wind up and if so it's not very funny.  Many people use this newsgroup as their
only source of football news.


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: leitm@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Wombles aim to make it a hat-trick against Villa
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:07:50 GMT
Reply-To: leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Well, the scoreline that raised my eyebrows in the FA Cup 4th round
is as follows :
                 Aston Villa 1-1 Wimbledon

Despite the fact I follow the Wombles, I was expecting Villa to really do us 
with home advantage.  Now, with the prospect of a fair crack at knocking
the 1993 runners-up out, the memories come flooding back of the previous
occasions on which Wimbledon have shocked Villa.  The most famous occasion
was probably the league 3-0 win in 1990 when Villa were at the top of the 
table.
This effectively started the slide that cost Villa the title. Even better, 
in the past few seasons, Wimbledon have put Villa out of the FA cup twice  
, by an only goal on each occasion (one scored in added time, heh heh heh).  
It's nice to be bogey team to a side other than Liverpool.  Anyway, may the
better team win in the replay (maybe I shouldn't have said that...)

Miguel Leith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From:  (Jacopo Andreose)
Subject: I gobbi (was: the great Milan)
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:54:47 GMT

> I'm sorry for you porr buddy, but I insist: you are not 
> well informed about how fans are called. I gobbi are
> definitely "Juventus" fans. If you don't know, Juventus
> symbol is a zebra (black and white, do you know that?)
> which is an animal which back has a bump (I don't know
> the name in english, but in italian we call it 'gobba'.

In english is called hump, and "gobbo" would be humpback. But I have a
different version of the story. "Gobbi" should not be Juventus fans but
players. They got that nickname many years ago, when they were wearing some
awkward kind of jerseys, which air sweld as players were running.
Any Juventus fan out there who can confirm this? 

Jacopo Andreose | jacopo@pons.uio.no | +47-2-851248 |  Forza Milan! 
Inst of Neurophysiology, University of Oslo, Norway | Forza Venezia!
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:07:53 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


	USA TODAY (1/21/93) printed a half-page report on America soccer.
It does a profile on Eric Wynalda, and a stroy on the three US Goalkeepers 
(Meola, keller, and Friedel) trying to fight a spot with the national team. 
The section is called "The road to soccer's World Cup" (isn't the word soccer
is redundant here ?)  Anyway, let's hope this will be a regular feature of the
newspaper.
	One side note.  I read that the first daughter Chelsea Clinton plays
soccer.  Maybe the USSF could think of ways to make use of this to promote the
sports.


Jack Teh 


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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Re: Girondins de Bordeaux
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:36:37 GMT


What exactly does "Girondins de Bordeaux" translate to, literally,
in English ? I'm just curious ...



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From: nydec@westminster.ac.uk (Charles Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Sheffield United
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:30:59 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster

Bruce Munro <B.O.C.Munro@bnr.co.uk> writes:

>Just like you were going to stuff Brighton at Old Trafford, but in
>the end just managed to scrape a lucky 1-0 victory.

I don't think we were exactly lucky! We were all over the South Coaster's in
the second half especially (or didn't you watch the match???)

>Dontcha just hate armchair Man Utd supporters? Probably never been to Old
>Trafford.

ARMCHAIR Man Utd supporter???? Don't quote what you don't know, my friend!
The only reason that I am not at O.T. EVERY WEEK is that I am stuck at a 
London University!!! (Please note: my first three choices of Uni were Salford,
Manchester and UMIST. Fifth and Sixth choices were Manchester and Salford
Polys). It was just bad luck in my A-Levels that caused me to be separated 
from the team I love. Why do you think I chose those Uni's?)

Anyway, what team do you support? Arsenal???? Spurs??????? Both doing VERY well
this season, I DON'T think. Who else could it be in the Prem. League? Could it
be that you support Chelsea? Ha!Ha!Ha! Or is it Palace? (Even MORE laughter!)
Do you remember the Cup Final 1990? I do! (I should, I was sat behind the goal
when Robbo headed us level!) Or do you support Q.P.R? I live in Queen's Park.
Nuff said! (Last Monday was good fun!). On the other hand, you might support
Wimbledon. In that case I wish you all the best in beating Villa. If you don't
support a Prem. League team, I respect you as an individual (unless it's West
Ham). I HATE West Ham! 

So, don't call a four-season season ticket holder an Armchair support EVER
again! We do get annoyed! It is almost as bad as being called a Liverpool
supporter. (Arguments addressed to me, please!)

Thank you very much for your reply!

Bye!

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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Milan and high-priced players
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:30:00 GMT

mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

>In article <2117@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, rlpst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Robert L Pack) writes:
>> 

>Some of Milan's best players this season didn't cost much, ie: Van Basten was
>only $3million, Gullit about $4.5million, not much compared to what is being
>paid today. I admit $25million for Lentini is ridiculous.


Some corrections:

Van Basten was about $0.5 million (those early days...),
Gullit costed about $7 million (Hfl. 17 million)

I also admit $25 million for Lentini is ridiculous, taking his performance
in consideration. I think he played much better when he was still playing
for Torino. But the very high price of Roberto Baggio is not ridiculous,
I believe. Such a good player, that always scores and almost never has
'bad games', may cost a penny more. After all, look at the Sevilla-example
with Maradona, spectacular transfers mean more season-tickets...


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tyaghoob@claude.uwaterloo.ca ( Tomik Yaghoobian)
Subject: Hey Mr. John Bell
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:09:46 GMT

Excuse Mr. John Bell,
 What do you mean by saying
 "in fact, why don't YOU lot create a new NEWS group called
  rec.sport.soccer.inane.crap.about.armenia.etc "
 What the hell does Armenia have to do with the original posting
 "UK fans, PLEASE GO!" or your absurd solutions. 
 I think you owe me and other Armenian netters an apology.
 Hey why don't you grow up.

thanks, tomik

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: sandhu@seas.gwu.edu (Jasvinder Sandhu)
Subject: USA Vs Denmark on TV
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:53:15 GMT

can someone confirm, but i heard that Home Team Sports in the Washington D.C.
area will show USA Vs Denmark on Sun 31st Jan at 10.30pm.
jas
From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Please *don't* split r.s.s.
Keywords: Just don't do it, O.K.?
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:24:24 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

There has been much talk again about splitting the newsgroup.  Now it is again
about rec.sport.soccer.british and rec.sport.soccer.everywhere.else.

Any newsgroup like ours will of course have most British traffic [and
American] because it is their native language.  If there were a football
newsgroup for only French football that was in only French I would read that.
But to do something like have a newsgroup for each country and each language
is crazy!  There would be so many.

Yes some netters probably should post less "crap" like "My team beats your
team any day!" which says nothing about anything important.  But to say to the
British fans that they can't talk about Celtic or Liverpool or whichever team
just because there are a lot of messages about them...?

And the British fans haven't always attacked foreigners.  Most of the time
the English are attacking the Scottish, and the Scottish the English.  For the
attacks on the French since r.s.s. began, most were from Italians and Swiss!
[The bigger surprise is that not once has any German person ever said anything
to me! :-) ]

So, the only change that should happen to this newsgroup is to change the name.

Hopefully Garry, Dan, Marco, Kent, and everyone else will respond about this
again.  It seems that we have had many many many [too many] discussions about
this recently.  :-(

John

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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: Referee Fee Info Needed
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:16:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

--------------------
Except for AYSO, uniforms, training, and certification expenses are
the responsibility of the referee.
--------------------

Carl,

	Not entirely. Texas South is primarilly USSF and there are several 
areas that sponsor their referee, to wit - pick up all training, uniform and 
registration expenses. This seems to be a club or referee organization 
phenomena - not directly related to the way USSF does (referee) business.

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