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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results (top three of women's all-around)
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:16:38 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


Sorry about the previous post.  I just had some thoughts and questions:

	First, I think that Gutsu proved last night that she had a right to
be in the all-around.  It was also uncharacteristically classy of NBC to
refrain from suggesting that Galieva's injury might be fake.  Personally, I
don't really like the three-per-country rule, even though one of the main
purposes of the olympics is to encourage competition between a variety of
nations.  I can hardly wait until 1996, when the Unified Team will be
broken up into twelve separate nations, each possibly with its own
gymnastics team!  Who knows, there might be 15 or 20 ex-Soviet women in the
all-around competition; maybe even 36! :)
	Second, it was painfully ironic that an American gymnast would have
won under the old scoring system (keeping half of the total in the team
competition) in the first Olympics after they changed the rule.  Under the
old system, it would be Miller-Milosovici-Boguinskaya, with Gutsu out of
the medals.  Does anyone know why the scoring system was changed?  It
seemed to reward consistency and downplay luck, whether good or bad.
Miller was one of the few gymnasts to be consistently good on all three
nights; Gutsu was the best on one given night.  Also, the old scoring
system would have made the issue of replacing a gymnast because of "injury"
moot.  Gutsu would have begun the competition farther behind the leaders,
making the replacement less of an advantage anyway.  It seemed to work; why
the change?
	Well, I am still rooting for Miller, and she may have tradition on
her side: in the past two Olympics, the woman placing second in the
all-around (Silivas in 1988, Szabo in 1984) went on to win 3 gold medals in
the individual apparatus finals.  Miller has qualified in all four
disciplines, so I say go Shannon!
	One last question: has anyone scored a 10 in this Olympics (men or
women) yet?  If not, what has been the highest score and who got them?

Just Wondering,
ecw
From: dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Cycling results ? (none so far)
Keywords: results ? (possible volunteer :)
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:01:28 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

Hello all,
  I haven't noticed any cycling results here so far. Are they just 
being held up by the Net (unlikely, as other day 1 & 2 news has 
reached here), or has the volunteer un-volunteered ?

  I am willing to post cycling results, but they won't be the most
up-to-date (as I won't be up at 1 am - 5 am  when the events are shown
live here :-). 

(Some results (from memory) so far: Kathryn Watt of Australia 
won gold in the Womens road race, Jeannie Longo silver.
Germany won the 100km Road team time trial, Italy silver.

In the sprint qualifying (200m flying start timed), Jens Fiedler (GER) was 
fastest, in 10.252 sec (new Olympic record), Gary Neiwand (AUS) 2nd,
10.330, and Curt Harnett (CAN) 3rd, 10.368 (?).

*** Results very incomplete - I'll post more later if wanted ***

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:36:22 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul28.205320.14639@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> rajah@soda.berkeley.edu (Raja S Kushalnagar) writes:
>I was startled when I noted that baseball was a full-fledged event
>in the Olympics, and had been for quite a while,

Although baseball has been included as a demonstration sport several
times since 1912, this year is the first time it is an official
medal sport.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton)
Subject: Re: Short-Wave Olympic Coverage?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:20:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.150925.25548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ph2p@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Peter F. Hayward) writes:
>Does the BBC cover the Olympics on radio?  Is there any way
>to get this broadcast in the US?  Basically, what I want to know
>is is there any way at all to get live Olympic coverage without
>the triplecast.
>
>Thanks,
>Pete Hayward

Pete,

the BBC is covering the Olympics on radio, but it is going out on Radio 5
which is either an FM or a MW channel so unlikely to get to you - sorry
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From: danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Danny Faught)
Subject: Re: Moving images
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:18:06 GMT

I noticed the strange video effects during the gymnastics, too, and it
looks similar to an effect seen on video phones.  Video phones, as I
understand it, use a data compression technique that transmits only the
changes in the image, rather than transmitting the whole picture for
every frame.  So everything is OK if you sit still, but the picture lags
behind if there is sudden movement.  The reason I made this connection is
because I only noticed the effect when the gymnasts were moving rapidly.

Maybe the camera links or the satellite link is using such an image 
compression, though it doesn't sound like a smart idea for sporting
events.  It is very annoying.

Just speculation.

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From: csa18@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R.J. Husmo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Politics on rec.sport.olympics
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:14:39 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
: Let's limit the flaming to important issues, like whether Athlete A
: lost to Athlete B because B is the better athlete or because A just
: had a bad day.   :-)
: 
No, no, no, that wasn't why at all! A friend of mine, who knows C, who
watched the whole thing on the ten o'clock news, says that B won because
he's been on steroids since he was ten, whereas A is a true amateur, and
won't even accept advertising money from coca cola. Anyway, the
conditions were all wrong, a cloud obscured the sun just as he was closing
in for the kill, the starter pistol was uncommonly loud and hadn't he had
a row with his girlfriend three weeks before? My friend also heard a 
rumour that B had had *two* (two! I kid you not!) cups of coffee just
before the race! _I_ think they ought to have given B a sex-test, don't
you?

And anyway, wasn't A glorious in defeat?



:-) for the humour impaired.
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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Bagels and a coup
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:31:11 GMT

Bud Collins was reporting on tennis, and commented on the fact that
two of the players are from Madagascar (sp?), which just experienced
an attempted coup.  Bob Costas' reaction, essentially, was "really?".
Bob later said that the researchers told him that there were only
10 people in the attempt, and that they only managed to take over a
radio station.  "They did, however, manage to change the format from
classical to country and western."  He tried to say this with a straight
face, but eventually failed.  It seemed to me that he couldn't believe
that he was actually saying this; I would tend to agree with an earlier
posting which suggested that he doesn't write, but has to read this
drivel.  In any case, to trivialize an attempted coup is sad.

Mr. Collins also mentioned that someone (Agassi?) was hot enough to
bake a bagel during his match.  Mr. Costas interpreted that as a variant
of "hot enough to fry an egg", and responded accordingly.  I'm pretty sure
that it was meant to describe the 6-0 final set (in racquetball, we used
to say that someone was "bageled" (like in a "0") if they were shut out
in a game; same in tennis?).  Strike N+1, Bob.
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From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: observations on the men's competition
Keywords: gymnastics
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:26:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.170904.28236@rice.edu> rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>Here are just some random thoughts:

>3. The Chinese are fun to watch!  A couple of them throw triple back
>somersaults in their floor routines, and I think there in also a
>Unified gymnast and a German who do the same.

*TRIPLE* backs?!? It wasn't that long ago that a triple somersault
was considered impossible for a human being to do and survive from
a trapeze! Now they're doing them from the ground, and there's a kid
on trap who's caught a quad, though he missed it the two times I saw
him... I can't keep up.

>For any of you girls out there who think Chris Waller is really cute...

What about the girls out here who think Betty Okino is really cute? :-)

	-Nora
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: hasnie@ecn.purdue.edu (Rizwan Hasnie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: MEN'S HOCKEY POOL STANDINGS
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:45:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


 
Team positions on July 26, 1992.

                       POOL A
                                   Goals  Goals   
                       P  W  L  D   For  Against  Points                       
          Australia    1  1  0  0    7     0       2
          Germany      1  1  0  0    3     0       2
          Britain      1  1  0  0    2     0       2
          Egypt        1  0  1  0    0     2       0
          India        1  0  1  0    0     3       0
          Argentina    1  0  1  0    0     7       0



                       POOL B
                                   Goals  Goals
                       P  W  L  D   For  Against  Points
          Netherlands  1  1  0  0    5     2       2
          Pakistan     1  1  0  0    4     1       2
          Spain        1  1  0  0    3     0       2
          Unified Team 1  0  1  0    2     5       0
          Malaysia     1  0  1  0    1     4       0
          New Zealand  1  0  1  0    0     3       0

 
Rizwan
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From: pan@ds.kyoto.omronsoft.co.jp (PAN Shilei)
Subject: Re: Skeeting, Sensation!
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Advanced Systems Research Center, OMRON Corporation, Kyoto, Japan
	<C85PERWE.92Jul29102956@odal24.IDA.LiU.SE>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:02:55 GMT

In article <C85PERWE.92Jul29102956@odal24.IDA.LiU.SE> c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling) writes:

 >
 >There have been some mentioning about mixed tournaments here in r.s.o
 >
 >And this year it happened; a female, Zhang Shan of China won the
 >Skeeting!  I hear that this is the first time ever it has happened in
 >Shooting, can someone confirm this?
 >
That's true.








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From: jsandler@encore.com (Jeff Sandler)
Subject: Re: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:57:33 GMT

solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>I've been told by a couple of volleyball players, that this speed scoring is
>common. I've also heard some others get a good laugh out of the title
>"speed-scoring" claiming its supposed to be called something else (?).

>Jason W. Solinsky

At the women's matches at FSU, it is called 'ralley scoring.'..I think that
is at least the ACC standard name.  I never heard the term 'speed-scoring' 
until the olympics started.

I personally hate the rule, by the way.  I think it takes too much away from
the side-out game.  One place it really has an effect is if the other team is
at match point.  If you loose a point, the game is over - you have no chance
to get the side-out and continue.  Of course, that's part of what the ralley
system is supposed to do..but..

As far as it keeping the games shorter - yes, it does.  But I would rather
watch half an hour of good side-out volleyball than ten minutes of constant
scoring.

Most of the girls on the FSU team that I've spoken to aren't too fond of
the rule either.




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Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:866 rec.sport.hockey.field:329 soc.culture.indian:25849
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.hockey.field,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Hockey:preview July 24
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:13:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095E0DB.55830FC0
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Hi there,

I am posting the excerpts of an article by BBC World service
correspondent Malcolm Robertson in the July (olympic) issue
of London Calling. He has analysed the chances of each of the
contenders.

So here it is:

"There is an astonishing strength among the competing
nations. 12 countries are divided into two pools, and at
least 8 of them are possible champions. The advent of the synthetic
pitch has made the game faster and therefore encouraged greater 
skills."

"I believe many of the players will become household names. Look
out for Shahbaz Ahmed, the captain of Pakistan, and probably the
most gifted performer in world hockey, a dashing cavalier who 
glides effortlessly over the pitch.  But I do not see them as 
gole medallists . It may well boil down to Germany and Australia for gold 
and silver with Holland likely to pose the biggest threat and
Spain perhaps the most dangerous outsider.
......  " it would be unwise to ignore Great Britain. Even so their
build up has been unimpressive. They are without several of their key
players and the star goalscorer Sean Kerly is not the force 
he was. 

" India are nolonger the undisputed kings of world hockey. But
they could play a part in deciding the destination of the gold
medal. They are unlikely to win it, but will be dangerous 
opponents for the other teams in their pool.

Germany are the form team. They convincingly won the recent
cahmpions trophy in Karachi. In Andras Becker they have
a striker who could well turn out to be the star of the show.
Watch out for Carsten fisher too , an experienced defender
who is brilliant at penalty corners.

The Australians are confident. Thay have arguably the most
dangerous goalscorres in Hager and Davies and the most commanding
center half Birmingham.
T
The Dutch also have players enjoyable to watch. Hockey is big
in Holland and there was great jubilation when they won the world
cup. They could well follow it up with Olympic Gold and they have
in Frank Leistra the best goal-keeper in the world. The goals
will come from Bovelander . the craft is provided by
Marc Delissen in the midfield.

This should prove to be a wonderful competition"

He has praise for Shahid Ali Khan , Khalid Bashir, Waseem Feroze
and Qamar Ibrahim.

bye,

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RAM            		       BULLS -93	
MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY            
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:29:50 GMT

sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) wrote: 
->If the NBC coverage of the opening ceremonies is as bad as
->CBS' coverage of the opening of the Winter Olympics, you
->won't get to see much.

i was unimpressed.  the only thing the commentator could say about the
delegation from seychelles is "they sell seychelles by the seashore."
the same clowns said "the NFL sure does love those samoans" when the
american samoan team passed.  

unimpressive.

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: 1906? [and 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004]
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.114303.1@azcc.arizona.edu>, kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu writes:

> In article <1992Jul29.115556@IASTATE.EDU>, baarniy@IASTATE.EDU (Scott A Coon) writes:

>> Anybody remember this or anything relevant?  I'm curious (they definitely
>> weren't mentioned in the opening ceremonies when they ran out the flags for
>> each games.)  This is definitely something I've never heard of before.

> I believe that these Games were held to celebrate the 10th anniversary of
> the start of the modern olympic games. They were held in Greece at the
> site of the 1896 games.

This is correct, it was to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Athens 1896
games, but has not been recognised as an offical olympiad.

It is not the first time the olympic schedule has been "fiddled with".  Would
you believe that the next Olympic games will be in 1994 and then 1996 and then
1998 and then 2000, 2002 and 2004?

It's true!

Rod
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-M's 200m Butterfly
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:12:16 GMT
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia

SWIMMING - Men' 200m Butterfly FINAL
====================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic

World Record		1:55.69		held by Melvin Stewart (USA)
Olympic Record		1:56.94		held by Michael Gross (GER)
 
Gold	STEWART, Melvin			USA	1:56.26		New OR
Silver	LOADER, D			NZL	1:57.93
Bronze	ESPOSITO, Frank			FRA	1:58.57
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4	SZUKALA, Rafal			POL	?
5	KAWANAKA, Keiichi		JPN	?
6	PANKRATOV, Denis		EUN	1:58.98
7	PINTER, Robert			ROM	1:59.34
8	ROBERTS, Martin			AUS	1:59.64

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From: chbat@ptah.Princeton.EDU (Michel Chbat)
Subject: Re: Complete list of Olympic events (was Re: Olympic sports : list)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: Canoe 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:27:58 GMT

In article <131700@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>
>VI. Canoeing
>  Men
>    1. Canadian Singles 500
>    2. Canadian Singles 1000
>    3. Canadian Pairs 500
>    4. Canadian Pairs 1000
>    5. Canadian Singles Slalom
>    6. Canadian Pairs Slalom
>    7. Kayak Singles 500
>
>

Canadian ? Since when ?
I always thought C stands for canoe...

Michel
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: The purpose of the Games of Olympiad
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:14:15 GMT

After seeing what is happening with the USA/Japan volleyball game,
and reading about all the arguments with the Chinese divers etc,
I have to wonder, what is the purpose of the Olympic Games?

**  Isn't it to enjoy and have fun?  **

Of course everyone wants to be proud of their country and to win lots
of medals, but does that mean politics and racism have to be involved?
Sure everyone is a racist in some way, thinking that their kind is in
some way better than the others.  We are in the USA, therefore the people
will be heavily, heavily favored to want, really want the Americans
to win.  Nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes you win, sometimes you
lose, sometimes luck is on your side, sometimes it isn't.  It is
as simple as that.  Crissy Ahmann-Leighton said, after winning
her silver medal in swimming:  "I feel really good about winning
the silver medal, I feel really proud...I wanted a gold, but that
gets overemphasized.  Everyone at home will love me, even though
I have a silver."  She couldn't have said it better.
I did not even see any looks of disappointment her face, she
was very pleased with what she's got.

I hope that everyone, after reading this, will cool down,
think about the true purpose of playing games, and hopefully
enjoy them.
(Women's gymnastics finals is coming up...  :-)


Brandon
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 200m Breaststroke Heat 1
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:38:51 GMT

   Men's 200 metres breaststroke
   Heat 1
 1.  Jia Han Chi (Hong Kong)             2 minutes 30.74 seconds
 2.  Bernard Desmarais (Mauritius)                  2:31.52
 3.  Danilo Zavoli (San Marino)                     2:34.87
 4.  Foy Gordon Chung (Fiji)                        2:41.10
 5.  Obaid Al Rumaithi (UAE)                        2:44.61
 6.  Mukhesur Rahman (Bangladesh)                   2:51.21
   Disqualified: Kenny Roberts (Seychelles)

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