HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paheng@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Pheng A. Heng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: NeXT station
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:41:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

I am looking for a cheap mono NeXT station, please let me know if you have one
to sell.  Please indicate the system configuration and the asking price in
your reply.
Thank you.
From: ray@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Is there a startup file during login?
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:26:35 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Most Unix systems (most I've used at least) have a way of
executing a script upon user login systemwide (such as /etc/cshrc).
Is there any such file on the NeXT that I can edit?

Most of our NeXT users connect via terminals (weird, I know,
but it really is a cool Unix box, even without it's 
NeXTStep interface).  I have 220+ accounts on the system
and would like to put a few commands in the logins of
all users.

Any help appreciated.

Ray
ray@picasso.temple.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Subject: 3.0 info, hints, and kinks (sendmail version, and other stuff)
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:42:58 GMT


NeXT is shipping Sendmail 5.67c with 3.0. They shipped 5.56 with the PR2
we received.

Do not create a directory on your boot device named /NextCD.
It will cause your system to think it is booting off a CD and mount
the boot device read only.

3270Vision does not work with 3.0.  It worked with PR2, but under 3.0
it inverts the pixels on display of the window (up/down left/right).
Conextions has been informed.

-geoff
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Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231
From: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu (Neil Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: NS 3.0 - Increased swapfile?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: ARCI, Inc.

Has anyone noticed increased swapping in NS3.0 over NS2.x?  Several of us here  
in town have noticed an increase in size of our swapfiles of about 15-20 Megs.   
Mine has increase approximately 12 megabytes now, while a friends has increased  
15-20.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: dpape@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Pape)
Subject: Re: CD Player Application
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:09:22 GMT

You can find it at sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the 2.0/binaries folder.
dan
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:43:04 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <1992Sep5.174919.29720@leland.Stanford.EDU> shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU  
(Marcos Javier Polanco) writes:
> 
> >Like a pink slip.  You are hurting your own company, Jack Reynolds!
> 
> I agree. If users had no choice then I'd make a face and still fork over  
> cash for PasteUp. Now I swear I will wait for Archetype and Pages to ship  
> their products. That's one lost sale!
> 
> -Marcos J. Polanco
> -shiva@vega.stanford.edu

If that's your criteria for choosing a personal tool, you will get what you  
deserve.

Jim De Arras
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:52:37 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <wt2ylzl@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)  
writes:
> 
> I agree with Scott on this.  For those who don't agree, prepare to see  
> comp.sys.next turned into the marketting venue for any NeXT developer with  
> half a brain.  They'd have to be stupid to pass up a free advertising  
> medium, assuming we're all happy to give it to them.  Jack has already had  
> one go-around posting ads to comp.sys.next.advocacy, and apparently had such  
> fun with that that he's taking his marketting campaign to other newsgroups.
> 
> I'd love information on NeXT products, but I'd have much more faith in any  
> product comparisons if they were produced by someone who didn't have such a  
> vested interest in the product.  
> 
> Given that PasteUp sees fit to compare PageMaker and Quark, certainly it  
> would be fair for their advertising departments to come up with their own  
> ads to post to comp.sys.next.*.  Is that what we really want to get out of  
> our usenet newsgroups?
> 
> --
> Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
> ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA

Come on folks, wake up and smell the coffee!  I've said I before, but here  
goes:  

This is comp.sys.NEXT.*  This set of usenet groups is ONE BIG COMMERCIAL  
PROMOTION FOR NEXT.  We `push' NeXT sales here.  To draw a line and say it's ok  
to blatently promote NeXT as a group, but not permit a developer to describe  
his NeXT supportive wares here is to draw a line in a far too grey area.  NeXT  
needs these wares available in order to survive and to maintain the reason for  
these groups.

And he ain't taking any orders here, folks.  No mention of price at all.

Fortunately, it seems to me (as always, my opinion only) that the complainers,  
while they are loud, are always the same select few.

And I admit I am a loud proponent, there needs to be balance in the 'coverage'

Jim
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: does NS3.0 ship with a TeX that uses NFSS?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:11:36 GMT
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science
In-reply-to: tlm@iastate.edu's message of 5 Sep 92 02:02:18 GMT

>>>>> "tlm" == tlm  <tlm@iastate.edu> writes:
tlm> If you want to add NFSS to your NEXT-TeX see the TeX FAQ for information.
tlm> If you run into trouble then post here and somebody should be able to help
tlm> (Erik Sowa comes to mind --- sorry Erik :-)

Now you've done it! I will admit that I have installed nfss on my NeXT,
which is still running 2.1 (I am using upgraded versions TeXview and
dvips). I did it for tvz's wonderful slide-making package (seminar),
but it's proved useful for other things as well.  I am pretty sure that
it will be even easier under 3.0, but I can't be sure until I get it.
:-)

Now, I have an offer for you folks who loved the look of Steve's slides
at NeXTworld but still are retro enough to use TeX. I recently bought a
copy of Tekton, and I've hacked together the support files that make it
easy to use in TeX and LaTeX. I'm still fiddling with the scaling, but
in a couple of days I will have versions I can release to the public.
They depend on later releases of dvips (I'm using 5.485) and TeXview
(I'm using a9). They also use the nfss of 92.03.25 and dmjones' psfonts
stuff. I also have a tekton style file for the seminar package.

Note: These files are useless unless you have a legitimate copy of the
font Tekton! You *must* be somewhat familiar with the way TeX works to
install them.

Is anyone interested in these files? I realize making slides in Tekton
just because Steve Jobs does it is rather silly, but if you have another
font you would like to TeXify, these could serve as a template.
--
erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:04:13 GMT


Ok,
	How 'bout this as a solution:

	Drop c.s.n.announce. Allow 'advertising' in  
c.s.n.marketplace.  Marketplace is where you blow your own  
horn offering software/services etc.  Reviews from third  
parties still show up in .software.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.151644.22310@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com  
(Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
> >>I also like it being posted in RTF.  Makes it easier to read.
> >>-- 
> >>
> >>.................................................................simson
> 
> Ahhhhhhhhh...At last something besides courier 12 point!  Ditto on all of  
> simson's points :-)

I suppose it's too difficult to change the default text font?

Try it, you'll like it!

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re:   NeXTSTEP Release 3
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:06:39 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep9.112402.11701@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) writes:
>You definately have to delete your Librarian 2.1 indexes and rebuild them with
>3.0.
>
>It's a major bug that Librarian doesn't recognize this itself.
>--
>................................................................simson

    All well and fine but....

    I'm getting Librarian crashing on my NeXT which *came* with 3.0
    installed!	This thing never had 2.1!

    I'll try rebuilding the librarian indexes again anyway though..:-)

				    -Matt

--

    Matthew Dillon	    dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
    891 Regal Rd.	    uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
    Berkeley, Ca. 94708     ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA 		    Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
From: homjen@srrc.gov.tw (Homg-Jen Tsai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: CD Player Application
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:58:21 GMT
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)

dpape@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Pape) writes:
> Well I found one...
> 
> 
Where to find it ? Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Subject: 3.0 ship status from the shipper, as of 15:30 CDT, 14-sep-1992
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:26:48 GMT

Finally, a ray of hope.

My first 2 3.0's arrived (only xxx more to go...).  I don't see any rhyme or  
reason to this.  These were for systems ordered in May, but I have systems
ordered in January which I have not seen yet.  I guess I will wait

Bottom line:  NeXT's shipping Status:

	Packing slips appear to be printed August 25 (with ship date of 8/25)
	Fed Ex says they received the package on Sep 10th.
	It got to RST on the 11th.
	It was handled by our receiving this morning...
	 and they promptly started paperwork to ship it back,
	 because they came on an old P.O. that was marked "received in full"
	 (systems ordered after Jan22 and before Aug 31 were shipped with 2.2,
          and no mention of a 3.0 upgrade on backorder).
	 Arg.;-)
fyi...

NeXT is shipping in this order (supposedly):
	Free upgrades first (all systems ordered after 3.0 was announced in
	January).
	CD-ROM drive bundles during same time frame
	Purchased Upgrades (NeXT items 5527 or 5528) received before 8/31.

NeXT's shipping people have yet to give me a status on any of my shipments.
To be pristine, you must match the shipped package for the correct machine, as
they are serialized licenses.  This license will ensure future releases (3.1)
will be shipped to you.

later...
- geoff
  brunkhorst@mayo
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Two questions about Music
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:52:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.202231.22044@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Heck) writes:
> 
> 1) Is there a way to connect a CD player with a digital (optical)
> output to the DSP port? If so, is there software to read and play
> music from the CDplayer through this link? I know I can redigitize the
> analog output and run that through, but I was wondering whether there
> is a direct digital setup.
> 
You can't directly plug a digital audio source into the DSP port. Singular  
Solutions maufactures a high-quality box called the A/D64x which has  
digital inputs and outputs as well as A/D conversion. Ariel manufactures a  
ProDAT which has digital inputs and outputs. (I have had no experience  
with the ProDAT but can highly recommend the A/D64x).

> 2) Is there a way to translate NeXT sounds to Mac sounds and vice
> versa, or are the two formats compatible?
> 
MetroTools is a commercial utilities package that contains a utility which  
converts various Mac sound file formats to NeXT .snd files. It works with  
both "flat" sound files and "snd reources". It doesn't convert from NeXT  
to Mac however. If you want more info on MetroTools you can send e-mail to  
info@metrosoft.com.

Gordon
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: matt@crawfish.math.tulane.edu (Matt Hopkins)
Subject: Looking for electronic grade book...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-26706]: crawfish.math.tulane.edu
Organization: Math dept, Tulane University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:07:44 GMT


Howdy.  I'm looking for an animal that lets me keep track of
class grades. Please don't tell me to go and get Improv --
that's overkill.  It doesn't even have to do any averaging
or anything, just something simple to keep track of some
numbers (approx 30-50 students, about 30 grades per
student).  I'm just a poor grad student, so (please) don't
even mention any commercial software.  If anyone can send
me some homegrown code, I'd appreciate it.  If I get no
response I might do it myself from scratch (time permitting).

Matt

--
 Matt Hopkins - Tulane University - Dept of Mathematics - New Orleans
        matt@crawfish.math.tulane.edu (NeXT Mail accepted!)
 "Do you hate people?" "No ... but I seem to feel better when they're
          not around." - Barfly  "Do YOU suck da heads?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:03:37 GMT
Reply-To: grant@Manticore.COM

Maybe people on the net should share features and bugs that they find
with librarian. Instead of getting mad at the lack of documentation lets
all root around and find all the features. My first contribution:
Pick a target and bug the Inspector submenu item under the Target menu
then select the services inspector.

If you check "search in" then a new
librarian service appears that lets you use the text selection in other
apps to do a search in a specific librarian target! Searching the include
files was never easier!!!!!

If you check "Jot in" you get two new librarian services entries. One will
create a file in the librarian target folder that contains the contents of
the current selection. The other service will save a copy of the current file
into the target. I have not figured out how to work these into my daily
routine yet.

Since any good net message requires a least 1 gripe here is mine: Now that
we have a good way to document remote functionality with protocols why
weren't the programatic interfaces for apps like Edit and Librarian documented!

----
Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc. (408)252-1135
grant@Manticore.COM,  uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant   NeXTMail ok.
From: hybowie@sunvis2.vislab.olemiss.edu (Randy Bowie)
Subject: PEX for NeXT
Summary: Want PEX for Non-Color/Turbo NeXTs
Keywords: PEX, XNeXT, X11R5, X11 
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:39:09 GMT

I am desperately seeking a PEX server/display for NeXTs that IS NOT limited to Color Turbos.
If ANYONE knows of ANY such thing, PLEASE mail me at ward@hydra.cche.olemiss.edu
or ward@papagayo.srcc.lsu.edu

I posted once before.. but only one PEX X display for NeXTs appeared, and it requires a Color Turbo w/ a 19 incher.  well, i don't got that yet (on order).

many thanks in advance...
Reagen
From: andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (andrew abernathy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:18:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: wire.1992Sep14.161853.3360
Organization: or lack thereof

In article <1992Sep14.000247.27940@cs.sfu.ca> oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard  
O'Neill) writes:

> Well, I had to have the foresight to use the "Plan Upgrade" option and  
see
> that it planned on removing Icon because it wasn't part of 3.0. I said  
no
> to this, and so I still have my copy and can use it if/when I want to.

Dream on.  (As I did.)  Icon, unfortunately, is pretty much totally
broken under 3.0, at least PR2.  I'm pretty upset about it.

-- 
andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (NeXTmail gleefully accepted)
From: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: BackSpace
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC



In article <1992Sep2.183118.25969@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>  
obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) writes:
>Can someone please tell me what is the "BackSpace" app that I keep reading  
about
>in the archives that is associated with modules. Is it a background program  
or
>something?
--

Here u go. It's quoted from the Backspace Info:

BackSpace is a collection of things to make your screen more interesting and  
fun.  It can set your background color, give you a flying starfield as a  
backdrop for your normal work, act as a screen saver, and lock your screen to  
keep others from tampering with your data if you must leave the computer for a  
bit.

I envision BackSpace as a screen saver construction set, a community project  
that others will extend by writing other neat screen saver modules.  My goal  
is to make our computers look flashy and draw attention, even when they are  
doing nothing at all.  And if I can provide something fun and useful in the  
process, all the better!  If you create an interesting screen saver module and  
don't mind me distributing it, send it along and I'll include it if it's  
really cool.  Go crazy, huh?


Yuan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: lasmith@athena.mit.edu (Lones A Smith)
Subject: EDIT: TEXT INVISIBLE TO LATEX!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:17:50 GMT


Hi,
     I have an annoying problem with Edit that has just reared its head.
I use Edit as a text editor for LaTeX. Lately, I've been getting 
LaTeX errors whose route cause is not LaTeX but the seemingly random desire
of Edit to IGNORE TEXT!!!!!  (or LaTeX doesn't see the text written)

eg.
\noindent {\bf Lemma (5.6)(c)} \ $p \sim q$ and 
$a \in [0,1] \Longrightarrow ap
+ (1-a)r \sim aq + (1-a)r \ \forall r \in P$



on my screen was two lines, with the stuff on lines two and three above
together on one line. But LaTeX totally ignores the third line, causing
errors and endless pain.

How can I fix this WHILE IN EDIT????  I have been switching to a mainframe
version of emacs to rewrite the suspect text (which always solves the problem).

Does Edit have hidden linebreaks????????

Can I see them somehow??????


Lones Smith
MIT Economics
lasmith@athena.mit.edu


PS Help.............
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Simon Says
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:27:26 GMT
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Aug31.210146.11282@Trirex.COM> mmelling@Trirex.com(Michael Mellinger) writes:
>I'm considering buying Simon Says, and I would like to hear from some  
>people who have used it for some time.  Did the product meet your  
>expectations?  In practice does it recognize what you have to say >95% of  
>the time.  My only experience with it was with a demo version in a noisy  
>computer lab, and it didn't work very well.  Is version 1.1 much of an  
>improvement?  In short, is it worth the money?


Version 1.1 is a major improvement as far as recgnition goes.  With a
good mike in a relatively quiet envirenment, it's right on about 95%
of the time.  With the music on, it's about as reliable as the 1.0
version.

There are a _lot_ of factors.  The way you form words, how tired you
are, the mike, the words you pick, etc...

I've found that with most single commands, using Simon says isn't
worth the hassle.  But, for multiple command macros, pasting of
commonly used text, and the like, it's great.  It's the only macro
software available...  So it's more hassle to say 'hide' (since there
is noticeable recognition lag) than to hit cmd-h, but it's way more
convienient (and faster) to say 'spec-sheet' than to go to WM, open
the spec-sheet RTF file, select all, copy, go back to mail, and hit
paste.  (I've even used it for mudding... ;-)


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot