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From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Linux and OS/2
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:53:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.174352.4550@gallant.apple.com> erwin#m#_mike.ast_-_tac_mail_server@msgate.corp.apple.com (Mike Erwin) writes:
>
>You can't run another whole operating system inside of another

Try telling this to the VM people down the hall!

jem.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help needed to setup KERMIT on SLS for a hayes compat modem
From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:50:03 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

Dear readers

I have SLS running on my 486DX machine and I also have kermit runing in the SLS 
environment. I have a hayes compatable fax/modem connected to com2 ( serial
port 2) how can I tell kermit which is running under LINUX (SLS) that I want it
to access com2 ( ie. what device name do I have to use).

Thank you in advance, please email me if you have a solution to my problem.


Yours faithfully

Payam Pourbeik

University of South Australia
School of Electronic Engineering

P.S. My modem is also auto-dial and auto-answer
2400 baud

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: compiling Taylor UUCP from tsx-11.mit.edu
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:24:05 GMT

Hi..

	I just downloaded taylor from tsx-11 so that I could 
compile it...but I can't :(

	Error with uucico.c:

In file included from uucico.c:304:
uucp.h:1176: conflicting types for `strncasecmp`
/usr/include/string.h:36: previous declaration of `strncasecmp'
make: *** [uucico.c] Error 1

	I'm using SLS 0.99.  The reason I'm trying to recompile is becuase
the 'stock' that comes with the distribution Segmentation Faults if I
attempt to use it :(

	Anyone know what is wrong/how to fix?

Thanks...

Marc
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Weird finger under .0998pl5
Summary: help!
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:26:36 GMT

Ok, I've been running .98pl5 for a few days now without a hitch but.....
today, I tried, (logged on as root) 'finger root@'  ...
the screen filled with garbage, and the machine reset before I could blink.

I'm kinda new to this, has this happened before?  Is it fixed in .99?


Also, while I'm at it (and since I'm calling long dist just to post
this--eek!) I was compiling a simple c++ program with g++.
It was something like
#include <stream.h>
main()
{
	cout << "Hello there."
}

very simple, no?  Well, GCC didn't like it, and barfed all over.   I was
compiling using g++ hello.C -o hello and it puked.  BUT, when I used the -g
option, everything was rosy, it compiled without a hitch...WHY?????

I'm using an AMD386-40 with 210meg Maxtor HD.  All the shadow-ram-crap has
been disabled, no change.

(other than this--great OS!!)

PLEASE--any responses, e-mail me at kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca
Thanks.

--kev

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From: Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Subject: Re: X and Orchid Fahrenheit 1280
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<C04rtB.FLL@utdallas.edu> <1992Dec31.181717.13659@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:26:35 GMT

On 31 Dec 92 18:17:17 GMT, jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid) said:

>This archie listing seem to refer to the XS3 directories for 386BSD and
>not for Linux. The linux port is available in ftp.robots.ox.ac.uk. If I
>am correct 386BSD XS3 will not work with Linux.

 Jonathan> if you want to avoid going trans-atlantic (and live on my
 Jonathan> side. :) ) we mirror robots on a daily basis. check on
 Jonathan> sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/X11/X-servers.

	Sorry.  I was just on sunsite, and no such directory existed.
Now, /pub/linux/X11/X-servers, yes.  It wouldn't even be worth
mentioning, except that there IS a /pub/X11 directory.
		Sten
From: Jim.Corbett@f35.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Corbett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: linux0.99p1
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:38:00 -0800

Patch 1 applied to the un altered 0.99 source compiled with only a
warning in serial.c of unused varible or such.

This was configed with all defaults except msdos fs, m486 and
msbusmouse.
Only changes to Makefile were hda2 and normal_vga.

Using bootlin to boot from the msdos 3.3 partition, ps -U fixed the ps
report, Xfree86 1.0y works as well as Kermit on ttys1.

With what I am using on my 486/33 with 16 meg and no swap it took 11
minutes to compile using 2.2.2d from the 0.98 disk set.

No complaints from here.  Looking forward to 1.0

My thanks to Linus and the many others for some very fine work.

Happy Holidays to all!

 * Origin: Intermittent Connection, Eugene OR 503-344-9838 (1:152/35)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: junio@twinsun.com (Jun Hamano)
Subject: Re: Question and Observations
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc. (El Segundo CA)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:16:24 GMT

Marc G Fournier <marcf@nexus.yorku.ca> asks a couple of questions
and comments in <marcf.725558783@yorku.ca>.

As to passwd expiration problem, read manual page of `passwd' and
find how to use `-x' option.

About mkfs `-i'.  It doesn't affect the blocksize.  Traditional
unix filesystem (and MINIX filesystem linux uses) allocates
storage for inode area and blocks when the filesystem is
initialized, and mkfs have to figure out how many inodes it needs
to allocate for the filesystem being created.  The ideal
configuration is that you run out inodes and block storage space
at the same time; otherwise either one of these would be wasted.
If you expect you will have a lot of small files, then give
smaller value to `-i' option so that you won't run out of inodes
before you run out of disk space.

About your `gripes' section; I too have the same feeling about
SLS distribution, but this is certainly _not_ the problem with
linux itself.  We should send bug-reports and suggestions to
people (person?) at SoftLanding so that the next release will
have more reasonable configuration.  From what I've seen in
c.o.l, about 30% of newbee questions and gripes wouldn't have
been posted in the first place if SLS release did things right
(e.g.  "/etc/passwd not being readable by everybody" comes to
mind).  It is a trivial, but a tad tedious task to fix all the
ownership and permission bits and such, but SLS release has so
much influence to those naive linux users with little or no unix
experience, we should urge and help SLS to provide more
reasonable and easy to manage system configuration.  I think it
would benefit us, too; we wouldn't have to be bothered by trivial
questions every time somebody finds out his users get error
message from `who' command, for example.

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From: andreas@knobel.GUN.de (Andreas Klemm)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: What do you linux dudes use for csh?
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:43:37 GMT
Organization: Andreas Klemm, 4040 Neuss, Germany

In <1992Dec31.035117.2148@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
|I've got some csh scripts I need to execute, and bash just doesnt' like them.
|What do all you linux guys do when in a situation like this?  Is there
|a shell for linux which is very cshish?

Try to install tcsh, which is a very good csh replacement with many 
enhancements. OS support is very good. Tcsh seems to be very stable.
I got tcsh compiled on different platforms (SYSV and BSD) 
without problems.
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From: grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS 0.98 on EISA problems w/RAM disk
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:37:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

After successfully installing Linux on two ISA systems, I thought
I would help out a friend with installing it on her ALR-built EISA
386.

Toward the end of the boot process, right after the RAM disk is built,
I get the following message:

...nr_free_pages is 808 but not free memory found...

and then the kernel later panics after a second or so later.  
Has anyone seen this before?   I am really stuck on this one.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: alex@infolog.se (Alex Frausin)
Subject: messy keyboard 0.99pl1 X 
Organization: Infologics AB Gothenburg.Sweden
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:05:28 GMT


Ok here we go again!

Tonight I reinstalled Linux v.099pl1. Since I was told to use the new
Xfree1.1, I did. 

The funny :-( thing is that my keyboard / display acts strange under X.

I can type any key eccept the numbersign "#".

I've checked with xwinevent. It reports the right thing "key pressed...#"

So i suspect xterm for beeing the bad guy.

Anybody, a clue on this one pleeeease.

Merry X-mas  
Alex 
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From: wto@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (William T. O Connell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: xterm woes and no screen on exit, need help
Keywords: xterm, screen
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:50:06 GMT
Organization: PC peripheral operational services group

In article <1992Dec31.200413.11712@news.uiowa.edu> miranda@eng.uiowa.edu writes:
>	Hello. I am running Xfree86 without major problems. My hat
>goes off to the people who have worked on this. It is without doubt
>a great accomplishment. Thank you gentlemen!.
>OK, so much for praise, albeit deserved. I do have a couple of nagging 
>details, which I hope any reader may help out with. I am running Linux
>0.99 on a 486/33 w/ 8 megs ram, TVGA 8900c, clock 65 Mhz (1024x768).
>Upon exit from X ( any which way, killing server or graceful) I get a
>blank screen. Oh, I can type, but no echo or anything is visible ( it
>is dark in here...) So, if anyone knows how to fix this, please
>POST the solution. I somehow am sure I am not the only one with this 
>problem, if you pardon my presumptions. Post your solution, please.

The solution as been posted in the past, X is not putting you back
in text mode when exiting. There are two ways to fix it. First of
all I was told that version 1.1 of Xfree86 should fix this, though I
haven't tried it (It looks like your using version 1.0, which is what
you would get with the SLS distribution on the x disks). 

The easiest solution is to use the vgalib software, It comes under
SLS now in the src directory (at one time, might be gone now, it
was on sunsite (?) under the attic directory in the linux sub-node.
Compile this and use 'runx' (i.e. runx startx), and your problem is fixed.

>	The other question, relates to xterm. I _think_ I can get 
>a scrollbar by starting it by xterm -T bubba -sb -sl 25,000 :),

Look at the man page for xterm, its just a flag you pass to xterm 
(I think -sb is correct, though I don't have the man page in from of me).

BTW, you can chg the characteristics (i.e. scrollbar) of an xterm window 
by changing characteristics in the xterm menu once your up and running.
Here, again I don't have a manual infront of me, put the cursor
on the xterm window and press the shift key and middle mouse button at the
same time to get the appropiate window (disclaimer - if it's not the shift 
key, then it's the control key, also there are three menus for xterm, I believe
the  scroll bar is on the middle one). 

- Bill O'Connell		wto@ihlpx.att.com
From: c60b-1fk@e260-1c.berkeley.edu (Ahmon Dancy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Unix sockets
Date: 3 Jan 1993 11:31:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-1c.berkeley.edu
Originator: c60b-1fk@e260-1c.berkeley.edu


I've decived to modify LPmud to use Unix sockets rather than inet sockets
because the tcp/ip code does not work reliably enough for me.  I'm 
having problems getting the unix socket stuff to work though.  I've
succeeded in creating, binding, setting up to listen, and setting up
to accept sockets, but calls to connect() always fail for me.  Here is
some pseudocode that shows what I do:

server.c

struct sockaddr_un address;
int sock=socket(....)
address.sun_family=AF_INET;
strcpy(address.sun_path, "/pipe");
bind(sock, &address, sizeof(address));
listen(Sock,, 5); 
accept...


Running this program will cause a block at accept, which is normal.

client.c

setup sock and address same as above
connect(sock, &address, sizeof(address));

In this program, connect always returns -1.  errno seems to be set to
0, also.  

Does anyone have any clue about this?  Am I doing something wrong? Is
it a problem with linux?
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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: efsck: bad magic number in super-block, boot manager's fault?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 10:54:55 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I've recently started playing with Linux and I like it a lot.  But, due
to my own stupidity and curiosity, I've somehow managed to screw up my
Linux partitions, let me describe my harddisk layout:

disk C (/dev/hda)
    80MB primary DOS partition /dev/hda1
    1MB primary OS/2 2.0 Boot Manager partition /dev/hda2 (but Linux
    fdisk identifies it as an Opus(??) partition)
disk D (/dev/hdb)
    120 primary OS/2 HPFS partition /dev/hdb2
    8MB primary Linux root partition (Minix fs) /dev/hdb3
    82MB extented partition /dev/hdb4 which contains:
    58MB logical Linux /usr partition (ext fs) /dev/hdb5
    10MB logical Linux /home partition (ext fs) /dev/hdb6
    6MB logical Linux swap partition (swap) /dev/hdb7

I created the extended partition (and the logical partitions inside it)
using the fdisk from SLS, all is going well until I decided to add the
Linux root partition to OS/2 Boot Manager's menu, BIG MISTAKE, OS/2 Boot
Manager left the root partition alone, but it did something funny to the
extended partition that holds some logical Linux partitions (/usr, /home,
swap), screwing up all of them, mount gives Ext-fs magic match failure, 
efsck reports bad magic number in super-block, seems that the partition
table info has been trashed, all the logical partitions showed active
flags that weren't there before.  I'll probably re-install (grrrhhh..),
but I wonder if anyone has had problems with Boot Manager and how they
get it to work, there must be some reasons why people call it the Boot 
Mangler.  ;-)  I'd appreciate any help.

-- Nan
From: cl820@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wei Jin Mai)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: how to mount a permanent partition to root??
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:19:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


   I read all the guides and SFAQ last night . None of them tell how to
mount another Linux partition permanently. There are 2 Linux partitions in
my harddisk. hda3 houses the root. hda4 sis 60 megabytes and is free.
Now I want to install X-windows and set up a swap file which nneed more
disk space than hda3 has. How do I mount hda4 PERMANENTLY to the root 
directory in hda3?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hank@informatik.uni-essen.de (Hendrik Seliger (Messtechnik - Tel. 2898))
Subject: More keyboard trouble
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:25:29 GMT
Organization: Uni-Essen
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi Linux-world!

So here is another keyboard problem. Using 0.99-p0-5, my keyboard comes
up nicely on boot-time, I never have any trouble when immediately starting
X, but if I don't, after maybe 200 to 300 characters typed my keyboard
hangs (sometimes on all VCs).

Anybody any ideas??

Thanks,

Hank.
From: nieuwhzn@fys.ruu.nl (Gerrit J. Nieuwenhuizen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: f2c print problem
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:48:57 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands


I have downloaded the SLS distribution of Linux 0.99-(?-?) and apart
from having boot problems with the boot floppy, it works reasonably
well on my laptop.
There is one nasty problem with f2c. When the next program is tested:

        program testf

        print *, "hello"

        end

(what else!)
the resulting executable does nothing.
compilation steps are:
	f2c testf.f
	gcc -o testf testf.c -lf2c -lm

When the debugger flags are used, the executable still does not work.
However, when it started with the debugger gdb, then finally "hello"
appears on the screen.
Is this a bug in f2c?


			Gerrit J. van Nieuwenhuizen
			Sub Atomic Physics department
			University of Utrecht
			nieuwhzn@ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Getting lpr/lpd to work
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:13:11 GMT

Hi:

  I know this has been asked and answered before. But those answers are unable
to help me. I cannot get lpr/lpd to work. THis is what I did. I unpacked the
lpr.tar.Z package as root at /. Edited /usr/etc/printcap to:

lp:lp=/dev/lp:sd=/usr/spool/lp:lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs

I have /dev/lp and /usr/spool/lp. /dev/lp is world read+write'able.
/usr/spool/lp has this protection

drwxr-xr-x   2 daemon   daemon        144 Dec 26 18:52 /usr/spool/lp/

I can lpr files (as root) which get moved to appropriate directory. As
ordinary user, I cannot even lpr files as I get

lpr: cannot create /usr/spool/lp/.seq

I have lpr with setgid bit and lpr is chowned to daemon.daemon.

lpc cannot do any thing. It always complains lp: cannot restart daemon.
It looks to me some permission problem unless you see something different.
Could some one that set up lp properly tell me what permissions are needed
for various support files.

Ramesh

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Thanks......
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:28:28 GMT

  Hi, I would like to thank Kurt Hockenbury for helping me with the
pwd problem.   

  To those who are having similar problems, check the the group
and user permission for the '/' directory.  That was what I was
screwed up with.

  In any event, I've still got some problems with the following 
topics.  

  1) TCP/IP installation.  I can't figure out how to install
     servers and stuff like that.   I've read the stuff 'bout
     TCP/IP, but maybe it's just I'm dumb, but I don't understand
     them.  Firstly, I did follow the instruction, but I had
     a hard time figuring out the following items:-

        i) What is an IP Address?
       ii) What is a Net Address?
      iii) What is the Router Address, and what is a Router?
       iv) What does rc.net do?

   2) The dreaded phrase that I have been throwing around here:
      REMOTE LOGINs.  Yes.  I'm still figuring out 'uugetty',
      'getty','init' and stuff related to logins.  I hope someone
      can 'take my hand' and guide me through this.


   Any help appreciated....

   In any event, Happy New Year, guys/gals.

       
      


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From: camerons@NAD.3Com.COM (Cameron Spitzer 764-6339)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: sharing IRQs, was Re: BUG in 0.99[p1] kernel config script a
Summary: don't short ISA IRQ's!
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:37:53 GMT
Reply-To: camerons@NAD.3Com.COM


In article 1heirvINN3gr@gap.caltech.edu, nyet@cco.caltech.edu (n liu) writes:
>
>Cards CAN be connected to the same IRQ.. its just that your system won't
>know which one called the interrupt and won't service the right card all
>of the time...

This advice is dangerously wrong.  ISA boards drive their interrupt
request lines high and low.  If two boards disagree about which way to drive
the IRQ wire they share, too much current will flow from the high one to the
low one.  If the boards are not short-circuit protected, the weaker of the
two can be permanently damaged.  Even if nothing burns out, the resulting
signal may not be a valid logic level, and may therefore be vulnerable
to noise, creating spurious interrupts.  Some boards may seem to work,
for a while, but they will sustain unknown damage.
Please see my earlier post about how to share ISA interrupt request lines.

EISA solved this problem.  EISA boards drive IRQs low only, and a resistor on
the motherboard drives high.  The resistor is too weak (8.2K) to hurt anything.

Cameron
From: khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Unix information wanted urgently please
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:20:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: clark@rx.xerox.com's message of 21 Dec 92 15:11:07 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 9b011f3136774d276c08cf1dc21422eb

In article <1992Dec21.151107.1816@spectrum.xerox.com> clark@rx.xerox.com (Andrew Clark) writes:

   I need to know the following:
	The evolution of UNIX systems
	major versions of UNIX systems [...]

I don't want to do your homework for you, but I'll suggest a good book
that will cover some of the points you mentioned.

@Book{leffler:bsd,
  author = 	"Samuel J. Leffler and Marshall Kirk McKusick and
			  Michael J. Karels and John S. Quarterman",
  title = 	"The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX
			  Operating System",
  publisher = 	"Addison-Wesley",
  year = 	1989,
  keyword = "UNIX",
  comment = "This defines Berkeley Unix."
}


   I would also like some comments on :
	   "UNIX is one of the most important issues the
	   operating systems industry is dealing with
	   today"

I don't think that "UNIX" is an issue.  Using Unix-like operating
systems is a trend, and whether that's good or bad is still undecided
in my opinion.


   one more thing (as if the above wasn't enough)
	   what are the main technical differences
	   between all the UNIX versions.

you must be joking.  have you any idea how many Unix-like operating
systems there are available?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Openlook ?
Summary: Any good books?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:43:43 GMT

Can anyone out there recommend any good books on Openlook/Xview/Xwindow
programming out there?  I found one that concentrated on Motif, and
obviously it's kinda useless to me...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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