HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall)
Subject: Re: ordering from overseas
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:47:31 GMT

waldrop@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>Hi, i'm new to this group and am trying to find out if anyone knows how to
>order models from England or Germany. I'm drooling over all the WWI aircraft
>ads in the British magazines. Can anyone tell me which stores are reliable and
>just what the procedure is for ordering from overseas ? If this is information
>that is covered in FAQ the I apoligize but i'm new to news and don't know how
>to find the frequently asked questions section.

>Thanks,  Larry Waldrop

Well, usally I use to order from USA to Europe but I don't think
it's different in the other direction. From England is it very
easy if you have a VISA or MASTERcard. Write or call (remember 
the diffrens in time) to the advertizer and order what you want,
tell them your credidcard-number and expiredate. After a couple
of weeks (or in the worst case months) you will have your kit.
If you don't have a creditcard, you must use a check or monney
order. Ask the advertizer how to use it. That works even if
that cost more. In Germany are creditcards not so common so 
you have to use a check or monney order. The best is to ask
the advertizer again. If you order from Germany is it good
if you write in German. I'm not so sure if everyone speak ENglish
in German.
Goran

Xref: sparky alt.models:1264 rec.models.rc:4070
From: fjcppr@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Ramjet/Pulsejet Engine
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: fjcppr@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

the engine was called a Dyna-jet Redhead. It is a pulse jet, and I
think they are still used in competition speed control-line flying. They
may still be sold thru America's Hobby Center. They are awfully noisy.
Newsgroups: alt.models
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: micro-strip
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:32:09 GMT

I believe MicroStrip was a trade name of Slaters'

I also believe it was/is polystyrene.

The reason I believe these things is intimately related to the fact that
I own a varied selection of it.  A label says:

SLATERS PLASTIKARD
    MICROSTRIP               size...........  .020" x .040"

...for example



	Bob

Oh, and rec.models.scale has arrived at netcom.com (my site) so check yours!
See 'ya there!!!
From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: polishing kits - where?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:32:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SCTC

Micro Mesh (which is *great* stuff, btw) can be obtained from the
store at your local airport which caters to the General Aviation
crowd; its primary use is polishing out scratches in plastic
windshields.  If there's no place close, try Sporty's Pilot Shop in
Batavia OH, 513 732 2411.

Earl
From: tsai@hal.com (Finnegan T. Tsai)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: polishing kits - where?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:57:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HaL Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: molly.hal.com

In article <1992Sep30.143844.24869@news.eng.convex.com>, boudreau@convex.com (David Boudreau) writes:
|> 
|> The local hobby shops I've tried don't stock any polishing kits 
|> (Micro Mesh or Millennium 2000) so I'm looking for a mail order
|> business to get them. Any one know any a mail order business which
|> carrys either of these kits or something similar? 
|> 
|> Thanks
|> DAVID 

For Millenium 2000, try:

	Merkel Model Car Co.
	P.O.Box 689
	Franklin Park, IL 60131
	(708)455-1495

	They ask for $16.99


For Micro Mesh Polishing Kit, try

	Model Empire
	7116 W. Greenfield Ave.
	West Allis, WI 53214
	(414)453-4610	

	They ask for $13.25

However, I think they are both over-priced.
You can easily find very fine sandpapers in large hobby shops 
as well as the model wax. The 10 plus bucks can buy you a lot of them.

-finny
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.rc
From: wb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (werner.baumgartner)
Subject: Ramjet/Pulsejet Engine
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:49:49 GMT

Many years ago I saw a model airplane book that showed a working
Ramjet/Pulsejet (not sure what it's called) engine on the model.
It was about one foot long with cooling fins and a what looked like
a spark plug  at one end. I think a bicycle air pump was needed to
start it up. 

This description is from some remote memories. Was such an engine
ever made for hobbyists ? Is it available today ? Any information
about it would be appreciated.
					Thanks, Werner B.
From: sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:32:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Don't believe the hype

Dude, remember in the immortal words of Mike D...or is it Adrock? 

"Everybody rapping like it's a commercial...acting like life is a big 
   commercial....this is what I got to say to y'all....be true to yourself 
     and you will never fall...."

Dude, fake rap is fake rap.....TLC for example....remember that there are
concerned artist....(I say this because all my roommates disagree)....rap
is an art form.  It is THE art form of the future.  In fact I believe that
it will change the world.......for the better.  "There is a changing of
consciousness on this planet today...."  -Farakahan?  (I know I spelled it 
wrong)  If I ever get depressed about fake rap....I think, geez, I wonder
what Vanilla Ice and The New Kids are doing in Hollywood today?  Try jack
shit.



Steve Knezevich
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: DJ Cool Herc
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:10:11 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <BvnJxE.17C@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v081jwnc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MC Flexible Flyer) writes:
|> I was reading "Newsweek" and it had the 100 top people or things in the 
|> cultural elite and it had a little section on rap.  Newsweek said that 
|> in 1968 (no typo here) DJ Cool Herc started rap in the west Bronx.  
|> Does anybody know this story?  If rap started then, why wasn't it until 
|> like 82 before rap started to become popular with kids on the street? 
|> 
|> Also in this months "Interview" magazine they do an interview with 
|> Fab 5 Freddie.  I haven't read the whole thing, but the part I read 
|> was pretty informative of who he is and some of his insight, but not 
|> too much on hip hop.   
|> 
|> I am out like warm weather (38 deg. F when I woke up today)
|> William

 The story as I've heard it goes a little something like this:

 DJ Kool Herc moved from Jamaica to New York late sixties/early seventies.
 He was into the DJ culture of Jamaica where the DJ's shouted over dub plates
 to keep people dancing. This in turn was what black american radio DJ's did
 during the fifties when they used special phrases so people would know who
 was talking. 

 Anyway, Kool Herc built an awesome sound-system(at least compared to those 
 then present in Bronx) and started DJ'ing. The good sound of his system with
 deep bass and sizzling treble together with Kool Herc's musical selections 
 draw loads of people to his discos. 

 Some records got instrumental breaks that were very popular and Kool Herc
 began playing just the breaks, making them longer by having two turntables
 and shifting between them. To add to the excitement he shouted simple rhymes.
 This was around 1974. As DJ's developed the turntable skills they became too
 busy to have time to shout things. Therefore Kool Herc employed 2 guys that
 shouted for him and Rap was born. It remained an underground culture until 
 Fatback Band released King Tim III in 1979 which in turn inspired Sugarhill
 Records to release "Rapper's Delight". 

 Very condensed version of Hip-Hop history and some of it may be wrong.
					-Palle Zetterstrand
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: NWA et al
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:12:01 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

While I'm thinking about this NWA thing, what does everyone think about this 
NWA/Ice Cube thing?  Are there those out there that will listen to one but 
not the other?  I think both are dope, so I listen to both, and just laugh 
my ass off when they diss each other (Real Niggaz and No Vaseline 
specifically).  Any opinions?

Also, I've been wondering about this subject for awhile.  I'm white and 
listen to mostly hardcore hiphop.  In fact, the only "rap" I listen to is 
hiphop.  I was just wondering what you all thought about white people 
listening to "black hype" music (there was a thread recently about the 
non-racism of blacks, so whatever you want to call it).  Point is:  if I 
rolled into Compton listening to NWA, I'd get my ass kicked, right, even 
though I feel that blacks in this country are oppressed.  Why is that?  Is 
it fair for blacks to hate all white people just because the government is 
99% white, and they're the ones screwing over the black nation?  Just 
wondering what you all thought about this.

-- 
Jeffery D. Webb

JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU

"Charlie Don't Surf!"
	--Kilgore
	  Apocalypse Now
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:17:30 GMT
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland

pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:

>In article <1992Oct04.195701.162382@zeus.calpoly.edu> kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin) writes:
>
>>Why is it that everything
>>that's black have to be hardcore?  I think our culture is a bit more diverse
>>than this.
>>                                                 -----------------> KSG
>
>I agree, Why is it that when a successful rapper does not deal with hardcore

To say Hammer or Young MC aren't real rappers because they don't rap about
crime and death and poverty, is the same as saying Springsteen isn't a real
rock artist because he doesn't play speed metal.

Open your minds...

-- 
Steve Sobol     (IRC: RockNRoll)           sjsobol@tiny.com, sjsobol@wariat.org
President, The Tiny Software Co.                    ag510@cleveland.freenet.edu
Coordinator, Unix SIG, Greater Cleve. PC User Group        23707 Glenhill Drive
Founder, Midwest Regional COHERENT User Group        Cleveland, OH 44122    USA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: agoyo1@slack.MIT.EDU (Acee Agoyo)
Subject:  Showbiz & A.G.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:51:20 GMT

I just picked up Showbiz & A.G.'s new one, _Runaway Slave_.  If any of you liked "Soul
Clap" and "Party Groove" then you'll definitely like this album.  Most of the songs are
new except for "Soul Clap," "Party Groove," and "Catchin' Wreck."  And there's two versions
of a song called "Silence of the Lambs," one's a remix.  Especially phat are "Bounce Ta
This," which features Dres, and "Represent," which has Diamond D and some other people 
from their crew.  The title track isn't all that, though.  It could have been better.  
"Fat Pockets" is a good track too.  The sound of the album is jazzy with horns and stuff (but
not like Pete Rock horns or anything).  Both Showbiz & AG come off, but AG is a better 
rapper, in my opinion.

"Then I smoke a blunt with my man St. Nick
 Sometimes we puff slow, sometimes we puff quick"


agoyo1@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: "Whut?  Thee album!" update
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:00:58 GMT

Redman's debut LP, "Whut?  Thee Album" has been pushed back to October 20th.

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: PE:  Album to Come?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:45:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I picked up _Greatest Misses_ this weekend and, as usual, I sat
patiently and read the linear notes.  Towards the end, they said (and
I'm paraphrasing) "...this is not an album..." and something about an
album in "...1993..."  Anyone have any 411?

Robin
-- 
Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
From: fedde@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:45:56 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: moskva.docs.uu.se

c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly) writes:

>     Those are some good groups, but X-Clan? Brother J can flow, but 
>A LOT of their music comes from (pretty recent) previous rap albums. 
>I can't support that.

UGH??!? Hiphop is about taking from other albums already, you know. If you
add something new to it, as X-Clan did on theirs, it's dope enough to keep me
happy...

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: cd1l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chad Mboya-Joe Darby)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: vote
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:24:48 GMT
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Shucks!

I wish we had more canidates for the race.  I could care less for
Bush or Clinton.  It's like you have two terrible choices ;-(

/// Chad Darby                  /
//  Field Robotics Center       //
/   Carnegie Mellon University ///
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: travgod@next05wor.wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.200723.1@vax.sonoma.edu> wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu  
writes:
> Today there are a lot of rappers out there who are fake.  There are 
> alot of rappers who are not rappers who are just cashing om on a 
> black mans idea.  Fake rappers like Vannila Ice, Marky Mark, and alot 
> of others.  Real rap is when it comes from the heart not from some  
producer.

Non-flame response:
Curiously, what's your opinion of L.L.Cool J and how people reacted to his  
last two albums, the second of the two produced by Marley Marl?
Though I understand how much L.L. is respected by so many, I also was one  
of the people who thought L.L. made is fall with _Panther_{can't remember  
the full title.  Then his last album is made with the help of Marley & he  
just wrecks shit like he used to...
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Ice Cube
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:18:13 GMT

I keep seeing a November 3rd date for the new Ice Cube album.  Does anyone have
a title for his new album?

                                             T-Dub
                                             SHYGUY productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Red Hot Lover Tone
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:04:50 GMT

Well, tonite I saw Da Lench Mob, Willie D and Red Hot Lover Tone's albums out,
and being that I don't like Willie D and haven't heard Da Lench Mob's single
yet, I decided to pick up Red Hot Lover Tone, after dope cameos on Chubb Rocks'
new LP.  All I can say after the first listen is.... *big* disappointment. 
Tone seems to have a one subject mind over an 18 track album (w/3 non-song cuts
included) which is how great a lover he is, hitting skins and basically doing
sexual things with woman.  Ok for a few tracks, but this doesn't wash for a
whole album.  And, after dope productions for the Chubbster and the Lil'
Bastards single, the Trakmasterz seem to have fallen off here.  No beat really
jumps out as spectacular.  IMHO, this album is a lifeless, boring attempt at
hip hop.  As I listened to track after track until #14 (where I just listened
to samples of the final 3 songs), I just sat there and wondered, 'When is he
gonna talk about something else?'  I hope this album grows on me or else this
may be the second CD in over 150 CD's that I trade-in at the store.  Thank
goodness my girlfriend picked up Mad Cobra's album, or this would have been a
real waste of a night!  Any full opinons on Da Lench Mob's album yet?

                                              T-Dub
                                              SHYGUY productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: tatumh@infonode.ingr.com (Harry W Tatum)
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:01:17 GMT

In article <fedde.717804937@Moskva> fedde@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>No matter how much we jump on eachother on this one, it seems that it is
>very hard to really define what is and what is not old school. I wouldn't

 In the words of KRS-1

    "Noone's from the old school
     cause rap on a whole 
     isn't even twenty years old"

        ......but I'da still got me some.....

Bruddah Hal
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: d06448@tanus.oz.au (Argyrios Karavis)
Subject: Understanding Hip Hop
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 03:10:17 GMT

I'm a white boy down under in Australia who gets ANGRY when I read some of the
things my black bro's write about having to grown up within the hip hop
culture o understand hip hop. What a load of bulldust.

Lets get it straight. Hip hop as a term surely covers the music and is related
to but not a descriptive term for Afro-American culture. That is not to say
that it doesn't reflect one aspect of Afro-American culture. However it does
not and cannot reflect or define all Afro-American culture. If rapor hip hop
music reflects the Afro-American experience, where does it leave swing beat
and r'n'b in terms of its cultural significance for Afro-Americans.

Where or how do you situate the Carribean roots of many of your brothers who
are into dancehall and reggae, calypso and shit like that???

Don't give me that honkey don't understand our shit. Musically I have been
listening and grooving to Afro-American since the mid-70's. Everything from
George Clinton to Earth, Wind and Fire, Aretha, the Ojays and the hip hop
thing right back from 79. I may not have lived the life but don't tell me I
can't listen or understand the music. So I didn't go to a block party in the
mid 70's but neither have many of my black brothers.

The question is this? Can white boys listen and understand our music?? Yes we
can. We understand the symbols that are contained in the music. 

Ross Karavis (aka Choc Freak Down Under)

INET: d06448@tanus.oz.au
From: pkingi@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: House of pain
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:00:14 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Yo! Just wondering if yous could give me any info about the House of Pain. I
just scored "jumpin' around" (on import) and was wondering if they have
any more good stuff or an album even. That song uses an awesome sample, sounds
like one of Winnie Attawell's numbers from the 50s. Anyway, you can 
see that we are probably months behind the rest of the world so its not my
fault I'm not with it. Much appreciated,

Pat
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Were they fakin' the funk?
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:48:05 -0400 
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Fedde Engler writes:

>juonsteve@bvc.edu writes:
>
>>There are two tapes that are must buys now. 'White Men Can't Rap'--Soundtrack
>>and Brand New Heavies--'Heavy Rhyme Experience Vol. 1'.  
>
>This is OLD news, man. Both these have been discussed before in alt.rap.
>Where have you been lately?

Sure this topic was worn back in summer, but perhaps the "sis of M.C.
Flash X" just started reading the net.  Cut her some slack, and drop her
some info, don't straight out dis...

Peace,

-Mc
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: 6 Minutes
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:30:35 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

>line?  The tape would be Doug E. Fresh & The Get Fresh Crews' 1987 release, "Oh 
                                                               ^^^^

Did I say 1987?!?  I'm sorry, I meant 1986 on Danya/Reality Records....

>                                                  T-Dub
>                                                  SHYGUY productions
>
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: vote
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:37:36 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <Bv57AE.6nB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
> In article <Bv47GG.200@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>>Actually we'd be better off with Bush in office. Never know what that b*tch
>>Tipper Gore might ban next.
>>
Actually, Tipper Gore never moved to "ban" anything (at least not
outright, thus the quotes), just to introduce voluntary stickering of
potentially offensive albums.  She even campaigned against a mandatory
stickering law.  (This knowledge all gained from ABC news, so take
with a canister of Morton's if you feel like it.)

> FUCK GEORGE BUSH AND THE REAGAN ERA! Tipper Gore labelling an album ain't
> nothing compared to Bush and AmeriKKKa, which you'll notice is misspelled 
> like POTATOE.  Even Chuck D. and Flav will tell you that we need to get out
> and vote just to get the bullshit that's in office out as fast as possible.
> Do you know how many jobs have been lost and how much vinyl has phased out
> under Bush?

And how much Bush claims the economy is doing better?

> Anyone who says George Bush would be better than Clinton/Gore is going out
> like Luther Campbell, who hasn't kicked positive in his life, and wants to
> see the return of facism in the West before capitalism kicks in the East.
> All those fucks can get the bozilsnack.
> 
Besides, if you really don't like either side, there are several
"third parties" running around out there (Libertarian, Socialist, et
al).  Sure, they have a snowballs chance of winning, but which Evil
wins wouldn't be *your* fault.
--
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