Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:28:59 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re2:Serbo-Croatian and Greco-Bulgarian "stuff"


Luben Boyanov (lb@cs.man.ac.uk) writes in article 6364@m1.cs.man.
ac.uk> comments to my clarification:

>> I merely observed that a netter uses a phrase " Macedonia=Hel-
>> las "  beneath his signature, with some consistency.
>
> Serbian scholars after 1860-70-90 claim nothing else but: Mace-
> donia = South Serbia  and  not  Macedonia = Hellas   and if you
> don't know this (by any chance)  - go find it out.   Authors to
> start with are Gopcevic and Belits. Find out for yourself.

I do not care what other scholars have said.  I prefer to judge a
person based on what he personally says, and not by what his com-
patriots have or have not written; and I would suggest you do the
same.
Trivial though it may be to continue arguing over this, I told to
both Svilen Tzonev and Lou Buis that Mr.Pavlovic referred to what
the Greeks call Makedonia  (with a "k", meaning nothing else out-
side their borderline).
I added that,  to the best of knowledge,  Mr.Pavlovic never wrote
"MACEDONIA=HELLAS + SOUTH SERBIA" (as Svilen did),  and corrected
Svilen telling him that there was no issue of invasion whatsoever
as far as Greek politics are concerned.

> Please  restrain from twisting the subject in further postings,
> in case you want to have some dialogue.The easiest thing is not
> to have a dialogue.

The issue that I (not you) started to discuss was related to what
Milan Pavlovic believes/writes  and  whether  he is consistent or
not.   (Depending on this Svilen's suggestion over his intentions
could or could not hold water, and that is all).
If you involve other authors and continue arguing over things al-
ien to what I specified above, I'm afraid YOU TWIST what I write!
It is either this or you are really sloppy when you read,  as the
time you thought that I was the one who blamed the Bulgarians for
massacring the Jews...    (when I was merely informing you on the
claims of HBM and KELLY and their "pro-Turkish" arguments).
Sickening though it may appear, you directed your anger to me and
even resorted to strange expressions and fervent treats towards..
Greece in general ! ! !

> I didn't 'blast' you at that time - I did it towards the author
> of the posting and writing. What I said was that the quotations
> showed  that  that whoever wrote it  had  not  idea of what was
> going on and was wrong to talk in terms of such matters.

" ...I'll turn the flames on.  Bulgarians saved their Jews during
WWII  and  if I only see that somebody tries to spell lies on the
matter - I've prepared a good pack of secret  Greek telegrams and
other documnets  (about the treatememt of the Bulgarians in Gree-
ce) and can either post them, or allow somebody else to do it...
But I think that some neighbours would love to have  few more re-
ferences about the Greek attrocities...::::::::::::
If somebody insists that only shit can be posted on the net.I po-
sted  once  on the saving of the bulgarian Jews. This was a brave
act still remembered in Israel  and you really make me reconsider
                                    ::::::::::         ::::::::::
my actions for keeping Greece's matters during  1918-1941  out of
the net. And those actions were more than shameful.
As for Ignatiev -I don't need sources. I've seen many sources and
furthermore I'm finding your informnation on the Bulgarian church
matters very poor-  I've read a lot about that and the truth (and
most docunments) is rather different ...
Tell  me  please if you have written on the so called  "Bulgarian
pesrecutions against Jews" and where.   "

                        Luben Boyanov Tue, 14 Jul 92 11:13:57 BST


>  the purpose of your repostings to many other groups  (not only
>  s.c.b.) was exposed shortly after that crosspositng (I think -
>  by some Turkish netters - maybe M. Hubey). It was said why you
>  crosposted messages  (from someting which was posted  only  to
>  s.c.t. on completely different topic)

Let me refresh your memory again: The topic was indeed on the Ge-
nocides of Jews  posted in  SCT,SCG,SCJ,SCE,SCR,  by the people I
mentioned above (and since HBM hardly restrained himself I am al-
most sure it was also in several other news groups as well).

> The purpose (I can't remember if it was Mark) was to try to get
> some reaction to the original posting and so - to generate Turk
> bashing from elsewhere.

I gave you (and other Bulgarian netters) a chance to deal with an
accuracy or an inaccuracy.
" ...I think that articles dealing with Bulgaria should be cross-
posted to SCB even if they originate in other groups."
                           Vassil Peytchev 27 Apr 92 13:10:25 GMT

                                               and that is all,
                                               Andronikos Romanos


 PS: It is a pity you cannot get my point in the  Cyril/Methodius
     article.  Since I used a particular edition the comments and
     references where in the standard Latin form  and this is so-
     mething the historians are used to...  Had I resorted to the
     Loeb I would follow other linguistic rules..

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