HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 4 Sep 1992 08:50:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <25518@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
->In article <17v3e3INNflg@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
->> ... then yesterday
->>was my 21st birthday (Anyone want to hug me? *hint*) 
->
->Love to.  'Course, I did, in person, only a few days ago, but that
->needn't stop unrestrained e-*hugs* - so have a bundle (redeemable in
->person, of course :-)

And, quite seriously, it was an incredible hug ...
Thanks.  A lot.

<looks forward to redeeming them>

->Garbage, Roy! :-)  I make no exceptions.  I'm real picky about my
->friends just now (something to do with making a giant step forward
->in my self-understanding, and only wanting the company of people who
->can help me get deeper into these new things).  I didn't meet anyone
->in San Francisco I didn't like, and you can deduce the fact that you're
->no exception from the length of time we spent chatting (<.1% of the required
->amount, I may add).

*blush* Thanks ... 

->Mike, in no-holds-barred flirting mood

*groan* ...

I thought I was *always* in a no-holds-barred flirting mood :) ... at least
when it comes to net.flirting...

All I have to do now is slowly work that into RL :) 

Step one: Start initiating hugs! Whoa, what a radical concept! :)

I'm sure we'll have another chance to talk ...

Unless, of course, Ellen, and Coe, and Muffy, and Dan, and all the other
bay.people get there first, which they will :)

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: objectification (developed from hot Bi Studs/Babes)
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 03:33:49 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

jet@ki.com (Jeanette Bradley) wrote...
>Another thing that I have had problems with sterotypes of bi women
>is as the sort of ultimate fag hag. I actually had a very good friend
>of mine say to me once: "You know, bi women make the best fag hags,
>because they're queer, so they're family, but you can cruise men
>with them anyway." 
>
><sigh> is right.  jeanette

Wait!  I fit this description.  (Or is it?  I resemble that remark. :-) )
Hadn't thought of it as a stereotype though.

The stereotype that this Kinsey 5 isn't thrilled about fitting into 
is the one that basically states that even lesbians occassionally
like to sleep with men.

Ellen

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Omaha! Omaha! Omaha! (was: something less interesting)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:26:33 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg, actually Omaha) writes:

>                                but whether I get on to post will depend on
>how much time Elf gives me to get on(only one phone line :_)). HINT HINT
>HINT.

>                              Omaha

	<sung to the opening of "Money for Nothing">
	I want my O ma ha!

Hey, Elf!!  You let her post!  Look at it this way - it's one more thing
you can share.

Let's hear it folks!  Do we want to have more posts from Omaha?


Rick
(wanting to know lots more about oceanography)

rickc@agora.rain.com
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Omaha! Omaha! Omaha! (was: something less interesting)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:35:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <92240.140753IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

I also think more posts from Omaha would be mutually beneficial for all of out
here in the "Wild Kingdom"

Ben Gibson
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Keywords: flirt flirt wink wink
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:59:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.010151.20183@cbnews.cb.att.com> 
 eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>Oh, that's my problem!  I keep forgetting to _wear_ stockings.
>I think I'm blueberry....

Blueberry, huh?  Lick, lick, lick.  MMmmm, that's blueberry all right...
--scott
From: jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:09:54 GMT
Originator: jrk@sperwer.cwi.nl

(Third attempt to send this.  News is screwed here.)

In article <1992Aug31.134323.27405@latcs1.lat.oz.au> Joe P Woodhouse, woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au writes:
>Q. But isn't it a transition to being lesbian or gay?
>
>A. Maybe for some people. Some lesbians or gay men "come out" as
>Bisexual first, but many Bisexuals remain bisexual for the rest
>of their lives.

Also, some people come out as lesbian or gay first, and later describe
themselves as bi.  In neither case does the change in inclinations or
self-description imply that one state is less real than the later.

>Q. So why aren't the Bisexuals more visible?
>
>A. Well, no-one walks around with "Bisexual" stamped on their
>foreheads. It's very easy to miss them - if you see 2 people of the
>same gender kissing, you don't stop to ask if they might be
>bisexual. And they might be.

Indeed.  If you've only seen someone with one partner, you have no reason
to suppose they are heterosexual or homosexual.  Think of all the
strangers you pass in the street every day.  How much do you actually
know about them, and how much are you assuming?

--
Richard Kennaway     SYS, University of East Anglia, Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk               uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: xv
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:22:38 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <BtMxLE.33K@csc.liv.ac.uk>, sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould) writes:
> Swamp Thing (sara@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
>>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>>Or encourage people to get xv, a very nifty editor/reformatter/viewer for
>>>images.  Runs beautifully on my Irides.  It's available for ftp from
>>>somewhere or other - archie can find it, but my machine is down for an
>>
>>It is actually on doc.ic's server, now let me see, it's src.doc.ic.ac.uk
>>isn't it?  Picked it up for yon wee Paul Crowlie one time ... should get
>>it for myself I guess.
> 
> In /pub/graphics/X11/contrib I think. Well worth the effort of getting &
> compiling. 

I picked up the executable direct from wherever archie told me (can't remember). 
Works perfectly, even converts GIFs to XBMs.
Recommended.

///Peter
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
From: pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:09:03 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) wrote...
>[Elaine said]
>>but I do have some interesting pictures from the Monday lunch for and
>>of you (some people will, of course, try to misinterpret that sentence,
>>but they'll be WRONG!)  send me an address for your copies.
>
>Me me me me me me!  Are you going to send me some too? (if i ask real
>nicely :^) )  Sara developed her pictures from that day, and promised 
>to send certain ones, but i suspect she may not send the priceless one 
>of her!

That wouldn't happen to be the one of vanilla Sara bending over a
newsrack on the street with STella behind her with whip poised
overhead....  Would it?  (This must be giffed! - Someone wrestle
Sara's pictures away from her when she gets back to Edin<mutter>.)

Ellen
[Yes I took that picture.]
[Elaine - I want some copies too!]
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf)
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.170900.49566@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie
(Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

>Doesn't *anybody* here have a foreskin?

Of course I have. And, if you asked this a few days earlier, were in
Norwich, were sufficiently interested, and asked nicely enough, you
even might have gotten to see it! That makes you feel bad now, doesn't
it? :-)

In fact, I've never understood why people would circumcise their
children for other than religious reasons (and even then, barely or not
at all, but that is probably related to my general outlook on
religions).

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
From: glenn@bessel.umd.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:19:04 -0500
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>Everybody seems to agree that we want a group. I suggest we get the ball
>rolling toward starting one.

Well, I've been collecting responses to my .signature, and the response
has been generally positive, but not exactly overwhelming in volume.  I
know that some of the folks I know from the two TV/TS mailing lists and
IRC are actually against a newsgroup.  I, unsurprisingly, favour one.

I would prefer to have a group in the main hierarchy but one question 
that has been raised is, "How many of the people who want a TV/TS 
group are willing to use their names and net addresses publically for
a vote?"  I don't yet know the answer.

Look for more from me in a day or two.  :-)



-- 
D. Glenn Arthur Jr., The Human Vibrator, glenn@bessel.umd.edu
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

How much interest is there in a TV/TS newsgroup?  How many would post there?
You can send me mail anonymously at wi.2743@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (was wi.79)


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:00:17 GMT

In article <25215@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
|matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|>well!) !  (So, if you have any more questions, fire away....) And most
|>of all, *please* just call me Matt--no titles (except for the Greeter
|>of soc.bi!)  
|Noo noo there wee Matt laddie, dinnae greet the noo - it'll aal be
|better soon, ye ken ... *

   Yup, this proves that Sara's back in Edin<mumble>; she's picking up
the accent again...
                  __
    david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Bi identity
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:31:25 EDT

I've been thinking about being "together".  Guess I am pretty together: my 
life isn't what I would have wanted it to be, exactly, but I am what I would 
want to be in most ways and that is enough.  I've never been confused about 
my identity; or my philosophies; or my bisexuality.... Though how to 
*handle* it is an ongoing question.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:17:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Aug27.043140.11511@microsoft.com>
	<1992Aug27.170419.49565@ccvax.ucd.ie>

) > pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
) > ) It's become habitual now to slip into USA terminology and
) > ) spelling when I write for North American readers (pace Canadians),
) > ) but anyone brought up on British English will likely still use
) > ) BE constructions as the giveaway. One reader has already mailed
) > ) me with a reprimand for saying "high school" :-)

[Peter, your lines are too long.  I had to reformat the above.]

) georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
) > He means me.  I asked him if he was a closet Yank.  (He also
) > said "Mom" in the same paragraph.)  I didn't think anyone would
) > have had much of a problem understanding "senior school" or
) > "secondary school" (or "Mum" or "Mam").

pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
) Yep, you dere :-)  Trouble is, neither "senior school" nor "secondary school"
) are frequently used here unless in a discussion of educational method. Just 
) "school", because a university or college is *not* a school here, it's a 
) university or college. "Mom" happens to be more used in our family than "Mam",
) "Mammy" or "Mum".

You're right of course about how "senior school" and "secondary
school" are normally used in Ireland.  But they're much more
likely to be used than "high school", which is definitely
considered to be an Americanism.  And I think yours must be one
of the very few families in Ireland where "Mom" is the
preferred term for your mother, as "Mom" is also perceived to
be an Americanism.

) > I think it's more interesting if people are talking and
) > writing in different, mutually intelligible dialects.
) Maybe we could try and confuse the Yanks, I guess.

I forgot to say this the last time around, but I amn't
(usually, anyway) trying to confuse Americans, just trying
to expose them to some variety and to assert some
individuality.  If I think a phrase can't reasonably be
understood from the context, I'll say it some other way.

My speech has been partially "corrupted": I don't buy petrol
nowadays, I buy gas; I have tomAYtoes on my sandwiches; I talk
about zee-axes, zee-buffers, and zee-coordinates, not zed.

) > Sure, amn't I just trying to promote a bit of diversity.
) Now that's one word you *won't* here from a BE or AE speaker.

You wouldn't normally hear a sentence constructed like that
from me either, unless I was doing a deliberate parody of
a stage-Oirish accent.  You would hear "amn't", though.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Joke
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:08:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug23.181036.23086@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bucky.Whaley@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bucky Whaley) writes:
+>>>
+>>>   Now, "package store", that's a new one....
+>
+>Correction.  It's a Massachusettsism.  I grew up in Vermont, and was
+>perplexed as hell the first time I went to Boston and heard the term
+>"package store."
+
+Naw, it's a North Carolinaism--except here they're called "ABC
+package stores" since everyone knows us Southerners would forget

Acutally, I've seen the reference almost everywhere but California,
where we have 'off premise' liquor stores. The law allows for some places
like food places to serve liquor but the patron can't carry it out,
and other places like stores where the patron must leave the
premises to consume. When I first saw 'package store' I was thinking
that one had to put the bottle in a box or something, or the liquor
was supplied in little boxes like one gets at a chinese restaurant.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:20:29 CDT
 <1992Aug27.151455.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> <17l6gaINN5bd@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <17l6gaINN5bd@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.151455.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>
matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
[Roy is miffed...but Matt comes through....]

> ->> Damn ... too bad ... 
> ->	And why is that?  (Just curious....)
> 
> Because I didn't get that greeting! *whine*
> 
> Of course, we seem to be making up for it now .... 
	Oh!  I never would have guessed....  :)

> ->> Well, do we already have a bedroom?
> ->	The whole net.room, as well as anywhere else is a bedroom...or
> ->are you looking for something a little more private?  <Matt walks over
> ->to his corner of the net.room, pulls back a curtain.>  There--one
> ->bedroom.  <Puts one finger to corner of his mouth--*very* innocent
> ->look>  But whatever shall we do in there...?  (I have a guess,
> ->though....) ;)
> ->					--Matt
> 
> *blush*
> 
> *thinks really really hard*
> 
> Privacy? Is that like when what you're doing isn't televised?
	No, privacy means only on closed-circuit television here in
soc.bi!  :)
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:38:08 CDT
Followup-To: soc.bi
 <1992Aug23.192833.6408@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1992Aug25.104116.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> <1992Aug26.033556.7957@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Aug26.033556.7957@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>  Ooh! Young Master Chatterly, how big you've grown...
> whatever will we do about it! 
	It's Lord Matthew Chatterly, but that's only when there's
something special going on (not that this isn't, but I think you
understand)  The only reason I didn't tell everyone is that my estate
is so far from KU, and I rarely get back there...and all my adventures
here both on the net and real life are just a bit more exciting than
the ones at home on Chatterly Estate (though, they're up there as
well!) !  (So, if you have any more questions, fire away....) And most
of all, *please* just call me Matt--no titles (except for the Greeter
of soc.bi!)  

> (Come over here; I believe this requires a closer examination...)
	I'm on my way....

> ;) ;)
	<wink> <wink> to you too!

> Albert (all tied up in work) Lunde
					--Matt (all tied up, waiting
					  for Albert) Chatterly
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:41:55 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:

>|so ... I was there, in that very hot tub and I SHOULD KNOW!

>   Well, yes, I noticed you.   But the only thing I was deny was swooning
>and proposing marriage, which I didn't have *time to do!

*Thank* you for noticing me, David, that's very generous for a busy
train spotter such as yourself ... >{8-)

You did propose marriage, I'm sure of it (not to me tho, just as well as
I'm not the marrying kind). 

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:23:25 GMT

h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:


>This has been an interesting spin-off of my original Music Festival post.
>Being at the music festival made me wonder just what is the difference in
>the way that men look at people and women look at them.  I was certainly
>looking around, and sensed myself being looked at.  But none of it felt
>yucky or threatening.  What makes the difference?


	i'm not so sure it's always so easily segregated by gender.  i've had 
	men check me out in ways that *were* all right w/me, & women check me
	out in ways that *weren't*.

	i've also had both men *and* women do the annoying flirtatious
	following-me-around-like-a-puppy-dog thing that i wouldn't call
	harassment, but it *is* annoying.

	looking appreciatively & relatively innocuously & smiling can be
	ok w/me from either gender.  yelling 'hey baby' or being felt
	up in public is fairly rarely ok w/me from either gnder (true, this
	hasn't happened often w/women, but i *have* had women make what
	i considered innapropriate passes at me.)

	i think of annoying street harassment as different from
	'flirting inappropriately' tho; when men throw things at me from
	cars, am i supposed to belive it's meant as a compliment?

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu


>- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: == No Subject ==
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk


[Ken N Writes]

>My Gosh!  A philosophical freak c(:  with an attitude of 
>"Life is Meaningless".
>No!! Don't jump off the building!!!!  We all love you.... 
>or at least we will pretend like we all love you  (-8 
>(hee hee hee...)

I wrote that after something painful happened to me. I 
reacted in my own way by remembering a fragment from a 
friend who died last year and shoved it in my .SIG. 

Why don't you also react to my other .SIG files? The one 
about horses? Why not make jokes about me loving horses 
more than straight people because I've been hurt so many 
times in the past by "friends" masquerading as straight 
and Bi-positive when all they are, are Straight and Bi-
phobic? Why not make jokes about people who feel trapped 
because after 8 years they see journalism as vacuous and 
inconsequential -- yet need to continue work in that 
medium because of their mortgage. Why not read a few other 
.SIG files from other netters and make jokes about the 
sexually abused, the socially disadvantaged, the lonely, 
the people dying of terminal illnesses the people who feel 
they are trapped in the wrong gender body?

Like people's opinions here, tread very *very* carefully 
when attacking or even making jokes about someone's 
beliefs (even if it's contained in something as 
"innocuous" as a .SIG file, sometimes someone has had to 
go through a lot in order to put something in their 
postings and I *don't* accept your comments as 
constructive or valid.

Just a joke? Well, in another discussion thread, we've 
been talking about how making a joke doesn't lessen the 
crassness of a particular comment. Congratulations, you've 
just done exactly the same thing.

>NO SIG. FILE AND PROUD OF IT!

Just because you're proud of not having one, don't you 
*ever* rubbish anyone else's.

+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
|The more straight people I meet, the more  |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
|I love horses                              |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:30:24 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <BtIHHq.LuD@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
writes:

>Sounds good to me!  I've only been punting once this year, and didn't
>manage to persuade anyone to wear the traditional long white dress... :)

>Next sunny weekend?

Sunny weekends are out of stock I think. I can probably manager a rainy
weekend though, and cloudy overcast weekends are easy to come by :-).

Owen (wondering what he might have got himself into, and wondering if he
can still get a college discount card for this year)