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From: haubenst@ERIM.ORG (Rick Haubenstricker)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: MacTCP on appletalk
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:29:31 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Help,

I'm having a problem installing MacTCP.  Here are the particulars.  
I freshly formatted the hard disk (the only one on the mac) and installed 
system 7.0.1 with tuneup 1.1.1 and MacTCP 1.1 .  I reboot, and I would 
expect all to be ready to go.  I bring up chooser, and I can see zones 
and printers and such on the network, so I know I have a network connection. 
Now, when I open MacTCP from the control panel, I don't see the appletalk 
icon!  Also, when I check with the utility getmyaddress, it says that 
MacTCP is not installed.  I am pretty sure it is not an init conflict, 
because there aren't any!!!!!!  Any suggestions??????

thanks in advance

Rick
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Rick Haubenstricker
Environmental Research Institute of Michigan
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From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Need AppleTalk Frame/Header Formats
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:25:27 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.212222.14389@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>,
fsgreen@dredd.lerc.nasa.gov (Doug Greenwald) wrote:
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> I'm writing a small network analyzer to gather statistics.  I have most of the
> IP protocols done but am having problems finding information regarding
> AppleTalk.  I need the type field of the ethernet frame for general
> statistics gathering and would like the higher layer protocol packet
> formats for completeness.
> 
> Any pointers to references or information you could shed would be appreciated.
> 
> For those interested in the program, I'm writing it for Sun workstations.  If
> responses warrant (and the program doesn't turn into a load of crap), I'll 
> make it available.



EtherTalk 2.x (802.3) Frame

802.3 Destination           6 bytes
802.3 Source                6 bytes
802.2 LLC Length            2 bytes
802.2 LLC Header            
  802.2 LLC DSAP            1 bytes (always $AA (SNAP SAP) for EtherTalk
2.x)
  802.2 LLC SSAP            1 bytes (always $AA (SNAP SAP) for EtherTalk
2.x)
  802.2 LLC Control         1 bytes (always $03)
SNAP Header                 5 bytes (always $080007809B for EtherTalk 2.x)
DDP Header                 13 bytes
AppleTalk Data             ?? bytes (586 bytes maximum)
Padding (if needed)        ?? bytes
                    ---------------
                    60 to 621 bytes

DSAP - Destination Service Access Point
SSAP - Source Service Access Point
The SNAP SAP is defined as $AA

If the 802.3 packet is less than 60 bytes in size, padding is added to make
the packet 60 bytes long.

In 802.2, DSAP and SSAP are almost always the same except in frames that
are
establishing an initial SNA connection.

2. The SNAP (SubNetwork Address Protocol) unique identifier assigned to
Apple by the IEEE is $0800070000. This first 3 bytes of the unique
identifier is the vendor address. The last 2 bytes are the local
administered (by Apple) identifiers. We (Apple) have defined $809B as
EtherTalk. The unique identifier for EtherTalk 2.0 is $080007809B. This
is considered to be a locally administered SNAP address.

A global SNAP address has been defined by the IEEE for AARP packets.
The SNAP number is $00000080F3. 


Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
From: wj_shack@QMGATE.ANL.GOV ("WJ Shack")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: 4 Nov 92 09:06:51 GMT
Organization: The Internet

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: heidt@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Michael F. Heidt)
Subject: Re: Hayes InterBridge problems
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:51:00 GMT

We had much the same problem. The Hayes tech people said that you have to boot 
your mac with system 6.03 (YES that's right..6.03.) or older and then run
the manager software. We also had an option of paying $100 for a new ROM
for the Hayes box. Even if you get the Hayes talking to you, it will still
have problems ( it can't see through a Gatorbox for one thing). The
documentation that comes with the Gatorbox has two pages of known problems
with the Hayes Interbridge. Our soluton was to get rid of the things and
replace them with something that works.

	Mike Heidt
	heidt@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: lpd on Macs
From: Jerrod T. Carter <Jerrod@Lilly.Com>
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:25:02 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Eli Lilly & Company
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11X-XXMessage-ID: <A72673DF4D010103@venus.d46.lilly.com>X-XXDate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:25:03 GMTLines: 9

In article <9211071753.AA01907@talaris.com> Mike Davis, writes:
>  Does anyone know of an lpd facility for Macs that works in
>conjunction with MacTCP?

I think you mean an LPR client for the Mac. Intercon just released
a new client called InterPrint that is a Chooser item and implements
LPR for the Mac.

jerrod
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: bennett@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Steve Bennett)
Subject: Aufs & HP700
Reply-To: bennett@areaplg2.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:54:54 GMT

I am trying to set up cap on an hp730. I am using KIP instead of UAB. Whaen I do
an atlook i see various mac services. However when I start atis and then start
aufs the server starts up and the log file tells me that it is successfully
registered but I do not see the server either from the macs or using atlook. Has
anyone seen a similar problem.

-- 

#
# Steve Bennett (bennett@mot.com)
#
From: tmp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Trevor M Peacock)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Measuring throughput.
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:20:41 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk

I need some way of measuring server performance from a lab with a mixture of 
IIsis directly on ethernet and pluses on localtalk behind a webster multigate. 

Is there any (free) software that will measure time taken for a given amount of 
data to be read or written to a volume?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers, Trev..
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: boots@falch.no (Dag Hasvold)
Subject: Re: Appletalk to PC
Organization: Falch Hurtigtrykk as, Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:46:51 GMT

6489mcadamsj@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams) writes:


>I'm interested in connecting a Mac and a PC (I have the PC but haven't bought
>the Mac yet) so that I can easily transfer files back and forth.

>My understanding is that all Macs have an appletalk networking connector.  Can
>I get an Appletalk card to go in a PC?  If so, who sells such a thing?  How
>well does it work?  I know Appletalk is pretty slow, but does the netword
>software on the PC side hog memory and conflict with lots of stuff, or work
>pretty nicely.

>Can one connect multiple things to a Mac via appletalk?  Can one (for example)
>connect both a PC and a printer?

>I know perfectly well that Macs and PCs can share an Ethernet network.  I just

PhoneNET Talk from Farallon does this. It lets you mount any printer or 
fileserver that is available to the Network that you connect it into. 
Farallon also has a card, and if you buy this together with PhoneNET Talk
it's about $300. The card from Farallon has some limitations though! It
only support PC's up to 386 25Mhz. I wasn't aware of this, and now I have 
to buy another card :-( PhoneNET Talk supports several cards, and I think
the one I'm looking for is from Dayna, and that it is supposed to work on
485 PC's as well!! I don't know the price of the card though, and I don't
know the price of PhoneNET Talk alone.

If you want to have both file- and print services and the DA resident at
all times it uses about 128 K. It's a lot, but you should load some of it
high and it won't be such a problem.

Best Regards,

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From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: CAP location
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:07:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mmccann@eng.clemson.edu (Michael McCann) writes:

>I know this is a "newbie" question but...  I have looked in archie and 
>several of the more popular archives and I can't find CAP6.0.

>Where can I FTP it from?

>Thanks,
>---
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>Engineering Computer Operations      Bitnet = mmccann@clemson.bitnet
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>Box 340904
>Clemson, S.C. 29634-0904         DISCLAIMER = I speak only for myself.

You archied CAP?  I got a number of responses.  

bert.cs.byu.edu:/CAP
boombox.micro.umn.edu:/pub/CAP
cs.uni-sb.de:/pub/CAP
gatekeeper.dec.com:/.5/SRC/MAC/CAP

There were couple more also.


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: geoffw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Geoffrey Warren Hicks)
Subject: Re: So Close And Yet So Far (lpd and CAP)
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:13:21 GMT

Posted on behalf of Craig Southeren who does not have access to
a net account:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Scott Huddle) writes:


>Ive installed CAP (Native Ethernet) on my system 
>(Sun OS 4.1.1) and most everything appears fine.  I can get
>back a list of zones, I can see my LaserWriter, and I can
>even print a PostScript file using lwpr.  

>BUT, I can't get this to work with lpr.  I think I am really
>really close, but have worn out all my brain cells with
>combinations and don't quite get it.

>(A script I used automatically built the input filtering linked 
>off to the main distribution, but even if I list the 
>if=/usr/local/cap/papif, I get no results)

>If I print something using lpr, I see it copied to the spool
>directory (a .banner is made, cf* and df* files are created),
>I can even see it with the lp tools

># lpc status
>scribe:
>	queuing is enabled
>	printing is enabled
>	1 entry in spool area
>	scribe is ready and printing

># lpstat
>scribe is ready and printing
>Rank   Owner      Job  Files                     Total Size
>active root       1    /.cshrc                   1013 bytes

>BUT nothing comes out!!!  I think I'm missing something 
>fundamental about how lpd and the spool directories work 
>together.

>thanks for listening

>--
>-scott
Don't sweat it - this is a problem with CAP ((I think). We have
the same problem with our SGI box, and I've seen it reported with other
cap users as well. Try removing the papof filter (I think it's papof -
the one that does the banner pages). Then I think you'll find you'll
be OK. You won't get banner pages, but everything else will work.

  Craig


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From: cory@hobbes.sanders.lockheed.com (Cory Myers)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Locks, CAP, and NFS Patches
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:36:53 GMT
Reply-To: cory@rocket.sanders.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.

CAP Patch 99 modifies CAP60.README to include:

        NFS
                In some circumstances, CAP AUFS using NFS mounted
                filesystems may complain about files being locked when
                they are not obviously so.  Ensure that you have the latest
                NFS bugfixes for your UNIX platform.

I seem to be having this problem.  How do I tell what the proper
patches are, if they are already installed, etc.  I have a
SparcStation running SunOS Release 4.1.1.  (Where should the patch be
- on the CAP server, or on the machine with the disk, or both?)
Thanks in advance.

How about the proper settings for the locks in m4.setup.  Currently we
have:

# flock - "afp: file locking"
define([X_FLOCK],1)
# lockf - "afp: byte range locking using unistd.h"
define([X_LOCKF],1)
# lockf - "afp: byte range locking using fcntl.h"
# define([X_FCNTLLOCKF],1)
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    Senior Principal Electrical Engineer      Room MER24-1583C
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                                              Nashua, NH 03061-0868

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch)
Subject: Re: multiple phase2 zones on a network
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:23:17 GMT

In article <1dp2m2INNhna@alshain.usc.edu> lkimes@alshain.usc.edu (Lance 'Moof' Kimes) writes:

	[excellent discussion of AppleTalk deleted...]

>A special note to the guys using novell:
>I once setup all the routers with a new zone list and then brought the network
>back up. Well, it should have worked except that it didn't occur to me that 
>the novell 3.11 servers would seed the network with the old zone list they had.
>If you have novell 3.11 servers, you must coordinate them with any other 
>routers you have in order to change the network zone list.

	This symptom is not just particular to Novell routers, but to the
	design of AppleTalk itself.  EVERY NetWare server is also a full 
	router.  Once a router (any router) has been seeded by _any_ means, 
	to too becomes a seed router.  So the morale of the story is that 
	when you're reconfiguring a network range's zones list, you must 
	shut down _every_ router connected to the cable with the network 
	range, not just Novell routers.

	Chris 
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Internetworking Products Division
Novell, Inc.  San Jose, CA
(408)473-8667  cranch@novell.com
I may work for Novell, but I don't speak for them...
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: djh@cs.mu.OZ.AU (David Hornsby)
Subject: Re: Help with moving files to/from CAP volumes
Keywords: CAP UNIX
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 10:15:55 GMT

rob@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Tanner) writes:
>1.  A number of users would like to be able to copy email into their
>    CAP volume and have it appear as an MS WORD text file to the Macintosh.
>2.  Some documents that are originated on PCs running WordPerfect are 
>    FTP'd to the CAP host.  We then FTP the document to the Macintosh
>    and copy it to the CAP volume from the Mac prior to converting it
>    to MS WORD.

If you Configure CAP pl126 to include the define 'USR_FILE_TYPES' and run
AUFS with '-F afpfile' and the content of "afpfile" is

*    Ascii   'MSWD'  'TEXT'  "This is a UNIX Text file."

Then all of the UNIX files in CAP directories will appear as MS Word
documents. There are more details in cap60/CAP60.README and a sample
afpfile in cap60/extras/afpfile.

 - David.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: Crimping 10-Base-T wire
Organization: UofM Hospitals
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:48:00 GMT

In Article <1992Nov12.082843.4052@memstvx1.memst.edu> "harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu" says:
> In article <01GR0SN3FMXU00317L@ACAD.FANDM.EDU>, tom@FANDM.BITNET (Tom Mahoney - Electronics and Networks) writes:
> >>I have a new question.  How hard is it to crimp RJ-45s when only using 2 pair
> >>wire?  I believe 10-BASE-T requires using positions 1-2-3-6.  I was wondering
> >>if most people just use 4 pair wire because it would be easier to crimp.  I
> >>know this sounds wasteful, but I was thinking it might be easier.  And it's
> >>there's a bad wire you can work around it.
> > 
> > We buy 500' or 1000' spools of 4 pair level 4.  When installing station cables,
> >    we use all 4 pairs.  When making 10Base-T jumpers, I only use the green and o
> >    range pairs, cutting the blue and brown at the jacket.  It sounds like it wou
> >    ld be difficult to get the wires in the correct RJ45 slots for crimping, but
> >    it is actually quite easy.  Just make sure they're all in the right spot befo
> >    re crimping.
> > 
> > Remember to keep your pairs together.  No split pairs allowed here!
> > 
> > Tom Mahoney - Computer Electronics Technician
> > Franklin & Marshall College
> > Lancaster, PA  17604
> > (717) 291-4005
> > Tom@fandm.edu
> > 
> I was worried I couldn't easily put four wires into position 1-2-3-6, but since
> you cut back four wires, your doing just that.  I thought it might be easier to
> line up all 8 wires properly and just shove them in and crimp them.  Won't the
> four extra just be ignored.  However, if it's easy enough to use just 2 pair, I
> will use it.
>  
  
If you were using flat 'silver satin', it would be easier to put all 8 wires 
into the RJ since they are all in a row.  However, you're _not_ going to use
silver satin for 10-Base-T and the twisted pair wires come out in random 
relationships to each other depending on where you cut the wire.  Since you 
have to insert the wires one at a time and keep them all in place while you 
crimp, the fewer wires you have, the easier it is.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: ruderman@phage.cshl.org (David Ruderman in Computer Center - CSHL)
Subject: Phase I --> II (Q)
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Lab, Long Is New York
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:08:30 GMT

I am looking for some serious advice.  I want to switch my network
from a mixture of Phase I and Phase II entities over to Phase II
only.

This is WHAT I HAVE	and...	WHAT I WANT

5 Cayman Gatorboxes
(with about 100 local Macintoshes)
-------------------
Gatorbox CS				
Phase I Ethertalk 		----> Phase II Ethertalk
Routing on, Soft Seed Port

20 Macintoshes On Ethernet
--------------------------
Asante Ethernet Cards
MacTCP, System 6 & 7
Phase I & II capable           ----> Phase II 
					(easy user option)
5 Sun 4
-------
CAP, Native Ethertalk
Phase I				----> Phase II 
					(easy enough to recompile)
1 Vax 4000
----------
Pathworks using Phase II
Routing Off
Seed off

I currently have no Phase II routers.  
I realize that I can set up the Gatorboxes as 
Phase 1/2 Transition routers where they can see both phase I 
and Phase II.  
I also know that all routers must have matching zone information
for Phase II.

I am wondering what is the correct way for me to set up
	the actual routing,
	the new zone names, 
	the network numbers,
	and the network ranges.
How do I give out these numbers?  Who should do the routing?
Can I use the same Zone names on the gatorboxes if they are
transition routers?  

I have played around with various things, and I really wish
to avoid a mess.

Any advise would be appreciated.

Thanks,

-dave
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From: tom@wcc.oz.au (Tom Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: CAP and its various flavours
Keywords: CAP , IPTalk , EtherTalk
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:13:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: wcc.2778
Organization: Webster Computer Corp, Melbourne, Australia

In article <1992Nov2.092944.10256@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, lhume@dishwasher1.mpce.mq.edu.au (Leigh Hume) writes:
> Having just installed the more or less default version of CAP using IPTalk

> ... but I have some problems wiht the IPTalk implementation in that 
> 
> 1. the node number of the host must match the 4th octet of the ipaddress,
>    and perhaps host and gateway must be in the same C class subnet.

This Node-to-IP mapping is basic to IPTalk - it is built into CAP as
well as all the gateways. It can't be changed. What problems do you have
with it? The Host and Gateway don't have to be in the same "C-Subnet",
but all hosts on the same subnet must be on the same IPTalk-AppleTalk
network. Those IP hosts on different networks are by DEFINITION on
different AppleTalk networks - all you need is an entry in atalktab
that informs the IPTalk gateways of this fact (and what the AppleTalk
and IP addresses are). Atalkrd may be required in some cases.

> 2. iptalk is not yet totally phase 2 appletalk compatable

Yes, we're waiting for the committee on this one :-). The Webster MPG
(Leigh has some of these) now supports its own version of "IPTalk-2",
which is different to the solutions that Cayman and Shiva have (to
the problem of IPTalk/Ip-tunnelling and AppleTalk Phase 2).

I have a version of atalkad available that can read network-range and
zone-list entries in a modified atalkatab file that has the same
format that the Shiva FastPath can read. As well, this version of
atalkad can generate "extended" AA packets that the current version of
the MPG can understand. Atalkad-2 also responds with zipXReply
packets for the zone-lists. Thus this version of atalkad with the MPG
works with network-ranges and zone-lists.
> 
> I don't really see in my ignorance any reason to prefer the IPtalk or the
> Ethertalk flavour 

Another reason is that not all Unix machines can run the EtherTalk
versions, whereas all can (probably) run the IPTalk one. IPTalk is
still essential for tunnelling AppleTalk through IP-only gateways.

========================
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Webster Computer Corp P/L, 1270 Ferntree Gully Rd Scoresby, Melbourne 3179
Victoria, Australia 61-3-764-1100  FAX ...764-1179  A.C.N. 004 818 455

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: mab@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Brown)
Subject: CAP/UAB vs native EtherTalk2 on IBM RS/6000 AIX
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:46:19 GMT

Does CAP and/or UAB support native EtherTalk2 on IBM RS/6000 AIX systems?



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From: inei@dcs.gla.ac.uk (inei)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP and AppleShare Sharing.
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:47:26 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Is CAP6.0 with 126 patches compatible with AppleShare Sharing?

I may be wrong about the following, but can someone confirm:

	change ownership	< seems to, but does not work >
	change group		< seems to, but does not work >
	access permissions	< works >

Mail:  Nick Nei, Computing Science Dept.,
       Glasgow Univ., 17 Lilybank Gardens,
       Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK.  Tel: (041) 339 8855 x 5457
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