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From: ngph@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Peh H. Ng         )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Research Institute in Malaysia(ASEAN)-A proposal
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:16:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr17.161615.15731
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

In article <1992Apr17.150123.19212@ems.psu.edu> nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>
>Malaysia doesn't have enough expertise in basic research.  We need
>people like you (MS and PhD graduates) to jump start the research and
>  [some more stuff deleted] 
>
>So future scientists out there.....my plea is don't run away.  Go back
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to Malaysia and be a part of this effort.   If sports can overcome the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>racial barriers, why don't we try this one ....RESEARCH!!!
>
 
 Well, I definitely did not run away; in fact I gave all the tertiary 
 institutions in Malaysia TOP priority in my job search after I obtained 
 a Ph.D. in Operations Research/Industrial Engineering from Purdue. 
 Unfortunately, none of these institutions would even answer my 
 application with an acknowledgement letter. (Talk about impoliteness!)

 My conclusion is that maybe they do not think I am qualified to be a 
 researcher, or 
 a professor in Malaysia. However, then why do good universities/institutions 
 in USA, NZ and Spore think otherwise?  I guess Malaysian univ's and colleges 
 must have an extremely high standard - I am very impressed.


 Peh H. Ng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.indian
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: WW II : Philippines, Ceylon and Soviet Union
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:53:26 GMT

Forwarded from:
Article 8682 of soc.history:

From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Thursday, 9 April, 1942

General King surrenders unconditionally on behalf of US and Filipino forces
on Luzon.  Seventy-five thousand troops lay down their arms, the largest
surrender in US history.  Scattered resistance remains on Luzon, and
General Wainwright's Corregidor garrison still resists.

Japanese carrier aircraft strike the British naval base at Tincomoalee,
Ceylon.  The carrier HMS Hermes and the Australian destroyer Vampire are
sunk nearby, along with a corvette and two tankers.   Nine British Blenheim
bombers try to attack the Japanese fleet but score no hits; five are shot
down.  The British fleet makes for Bombay and Kenya.

The USSR launches another attack from Parpach in the Crimea, using 6 rifle
divisions and 160 tanks.  The defending Germans are able to withstand the
attack and inflict heavy casualties on the Soviet forces.



-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   2-0   at Tigers Monday (4-2), Wednesday (10-9) and Thursday
 The Rangers jinx continues.  The year they could win, they strike.
From: mjabar@uop.uop.edu (Mohamed Nazlen Abdul Jabar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The privileges of the Sultans
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:19:42 GMT
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA [138.9.200.1]

fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:

>tourism.  You will be surprised to see all those people during the
>changing of the guard in Buckingham Palace.
>	I hope the educated citizens of Malaysia should not blindly
>support their Sultans regardless of what they did.  I am in support
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of UMNO to curb the priviledges of Sultans.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Jack Teh

May be our new generation (new Malaysians) knows what is wrong and what
is right. 

p/s : Semuga Malaysia aman dan Makmur, maju dan berjaya, selamat dan
sejahtera . I proud to be a Malaysian.....

- Nazlen Jabar -
- UOP, California -
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani)
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 07:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.162156.4701@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.033612.9124@leland.Stanford.EDU> azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) writes:
>
>>Fines will not induce action. The enforcement of these fines will!
>>We already have the $500 fines, but it is rarely enforced.
>
>Fines are a short term solution.  Education should be the key in 
>stopping the litter bug.  


True. But people have not responded positively ( or responded at all, for
that matter) to tatarakyat classes and those Jaga Kebershihan campaigns
in the media. If properly implemented and enforced, the fines could still
be a good deterrent to litter bugs. At least it will rehabilitate anyone
who has to pay the fine. Unfortunately it does not seem to have any effect
on people who have not been fined. This should not be the only measure
taken. As you said, education is key. Tatarakyat teachers should take
their classes more seriously and motivate their students on the importance
of the subject. Unfortunately, our education system is too exam-oriented.
This is one of its big flaws. Any subject that is not going to be tested
in the SRP or SPM is not going to get much student attention. However,
I don't think it would be right to make tatarakyat a examination subject.
It has to come from the heart, and I think a really big campaign on
instilling this "sprit" would be a good way to start. Maybe an effective
TV show (about 10 minutes) with really dramatic visuals to show
what would happen to the world if everyone of us does not take care of it.
That's why I strongly support community service groups like the Scouts
and Guides because one tends to develop a lot of positive qualities
from such activities.

The Malaysian society needs to grow up. period.


>
>A short term solution might be to introduce laws which limit the
>ammount a car or bus is allowed to emit.  This would force 
>automobile manufacturers to design engines which polute less.
>Catalytic (sp?) converters can also reduce the amount of pollutant.

>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz


Azran Osman-Rani
From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Zack's decison
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: omega@happy.cc.utexas.edu

From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Zack'y decision
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--From Zack--

>to live and bring up a family.  Alas, after 3 reservist training, my
>dream of paradise Singapore change.  Is this what I get in returned 
>for being patriotic and loyal.  When I first mentioned to my wife 
>that I am getting out, she was so shocked (by then she was so 
>accustomed to the Singaporean culture).

While I'm sympathetic to your story, I have my reservations about your
decision. For a reservist seeking redress is much easier than an active
duty personnel. For one thing, you can always go to your MP to complain
about the treatment you recieved, and I have seen enough examples that
a dispute may be resolved this way. At the very least, you could always ask
for another posting to another unit or even platoon, again this is not at
all rare, especially for reservist personnel. When all else failed, you can
always send a letter to PM's office, you bet they will take action against
the officer, all within one month's time, if what you've said is bone fide.
You may doubt my word, go ahead and try, write a letter to your MP, PM,
whoever you think whom might help you solve your problem. Do it, and you'll
see the result. Only if you've said is true.

Come back here when you have tried all of the above and yet still fail to
resolve your problem, then I will consider your decision to be valid.
From: v134rrxt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Wei-Tiong Cham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.034044.2999@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes...
>In article <84080@bu.edu> amir@bigbird.bu.edu (Amir Samad) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.171032.11421@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Apr10.183351.10937@husc3.harvard.edu> tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh) writes:
>>[deleted]
>>|> 
>>|> >Maybe it is time to take on him and debate on him so that he will not be
>>|> >able to misled others. Luckily, I have many malay friends that are not like
>>|> >him.
>>|> 
>>|> 	We have several of those "Malays" out here too.  They come
>>|> from rich families and only mingle with the Chinese.  Anyone in Boston
>>|> want to take a guess?
>>
>>Yes! Yes! I'm in Boston and I want to take a guess. Hmmm.... let's see....
>>I know most of the Malaysians here... but nobody seems to come to mind.
>>
>>Tell you what, why don't you start by mentioning a few names... you have
>>nothing to lose at this point anyway. I'm really curious to know who these
>>people are.
> 
> 
>	I am sure you don't know the ones that I am talking about.
>They have never been to any UMNO meetings, and their fathers are some
                           ^^^^^^^^^^

	Every Malay has to attend  UMNO  meeting   ???
	

>of the most influential people in Malaysia.  Let's just leave it at
>that; I am not going to name names.
> 
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:13:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr6.131357.54239
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
> 
> 	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
> certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
> go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
> controlled logging, and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
> why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion to make us
> accountable for what is essentially the developed nations' mistakes.
> Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
> the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
> to fight global warming.  Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
> foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
> the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
> turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
> propaganda of other governments.
> 
> 	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
> rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
> their propaganda or their pressures...
> 
> ===------ 
> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

	The use of vulgarity merely demonstrates the act of desperation
on your part.  There was a saying "the more defensive people are, the more
they have to be defensive about".  Have it ever occurred to you that
the Malaysia government is doing the propoganda and you are the one who
is being brainwashed ?
	I have been reading you posts on the net, and I have to say you
have one hell of a wacko characters which sometimes border on ludicrousness.
You said not long ago you were given a choice of whether staying home or
coming abroad to study and you prefered the latter.  I am sure one of 
you objective is to broaden you horizon, and be a "better" person. 
So my conjecture is that you are a very receptive person, however, you posts
does not seem to reflect that.  This is just my $.02 psychological profile
of you.
	As I indicated in previous posts, try to step out of Ivy League, and
look around you.  Observe the tolerance and friendliness of Americans. 
You will be a happier person.  Judging from the "disgusted" and "pissed"
words in your posts, I figure you must be in constant disgruntled mood.
(Sorry for another psychological analysis, then again, you have very
unique characteristics usually not found among us).


Jack Teh  	
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies & NS ...
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Apr3.031038.1730@acsu.buffalo.edu>
	<1992Apr3.071106.29059@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Apr3.195551.5788@ready.eng.ready.com>
	<1992Apr3.215818.28682@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:11:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.215818.28682@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:

   you my friend is absolutely correct. army sucks!
   many people don't understand that the officers think
   that the army does good, but army is made up of other
   ranks.  many other ranks are always unhappy being bossed
   around. 
   from my singaporean friends who email me, most of them
   are other ranks --- and very smart.  they can't stand
    the re-service yearly.  one reason for the migration
   problem-- brain drain.

I didn't like NS when I was in it.  In fact, I hated every minute of it.
However, I've found it useful (and I was and am an "other rank") as I mentioned
in an earlier reply.  I was also taught to touch type as a clerk, so that
helped immensely when I had to type out lab reports, theses, term papers at
college.  I used to find it really funny when classmates used to bitch and moan
about how it took them an hour just to type up a ten page essay when I could do
it in a quarter the time (less, if I paid attention to what I was typing.)
Being bossed around is a fact of life, buddy.  You'll encounter that in REAL,
non-army life, too.  In the army, if you're canny and know the regulations
inside and out, you can always do something about idiots who boss you around.
I've even watched senior non-coms make staff-grade officers' (majors to
colonels) lives miserable.  BTW, brain drain is not a reason for migration,
brain drain is a RESULT of migration.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp1222@nuscc.nus.sg (Big AL)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: engp1222@nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept of EE, National Uni of Singapore
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.193618.17106@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.194824.4636@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
> >In article <1992Apr10.032908.8818@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> >
> >>I wonder what would the Jews think of Mr Zam? I hope that you are not condoning
> >>to what Hitler did....but boy, you sure sound as if you do.....
> >>
> >>What might we have here? Another Hitler perhaps?
> >>
> >>>
> >>>===------ 
> >>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 (maybe a Nazi)
> >  N  A ZI
> >
> >May be he is.
> 
> You poor, braindead lump of stinking protoplasm.  Since I am always
> kind to the handicapped, I will once again say:
> 
> "Go fuck yourself, you little fascist"
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> ===------ 
> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
> The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
> promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                         Red Cloud

Anyone ever notice that the average intelligence of the articles here is
inversely proportional to the number of articles posted by Zam? Wow! I
wonder if anyone did a co-relation study on this? The result should be
interesting :-)

Alan

-----  Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life form here  -Kirk
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:30:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.032240.8691@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>	Definitely.  A Sultan is not a "normal" person and is not
>>treated as such by the laws.  Just like a royalty in any other
>>countries, a Sultan in Malaysia is considered as above the laws.

>Wrong. In Great Britain for example, the Royal family is subject to
>the laws and constituition. What the heck are you talking about, you
>make your sultan sound more like a ..... typical "legalized
>gangster/mafia"....

>Above the Law......

	I do know for a fact that the Sultan of Brunai is considered
as above the laws by the Brunai's constitutions.  I definitely made a
hasty remark by saying that every royalty in this world is considered
as above the laws; but in some countries, that is the case. The
Royalty in England might not be considered as such, but she is still
treated differently by the laws.  She does not have to pay taxes even
though she is the richest woman in the world...

>>	Of course, he can.  He is a Sultan.  It says in the
>>constitution that he is above the law; therefore, how could you punish
>>someone who is not subjected to the laws according to the laws
>>themselves?
>
>You make him sound like a God......is he? from the way you put it, 
>possible...

	What I made him to sound like is not important.  The fact is
he is still considered as above the laws by our constitution.  Since
the constitution is the basis of the laws in our country, a Sultan is
therefore immuned from the Malaysian laws...

>>
>>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>>this earth.
>
>Adolf Hitler existed , not exist, he is gone, remember? 

	My fault.  It was late last night when I wrote this, but you
do get my point, don't you?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Azleena Salleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: What do Malaysians Think About American Tourists?
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:33:26 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 14-Apr-92 in What do Maylasians Think Ab..
user Thomas Edward Schutz@lel writes:
>To Maylasian and Indonesian folks:
> 
>How are Western (maybe American in particular) tourists
>viewed by residents of your country?  Especially, what do
>they think of "low" budget travelers who wander off the
>usual tourist pathways?
>

oops, it's 'Malaysian', by the way...:)
 
>In most non-tourist locations in America, one virtually NEVER sees
>foreign travelers (the only non-residents passing through a typical
>town are either visiting relatives or on business, and the vast
>majority of these are American).  But, I think that if a darker-skinned
>and darker-haired person who spoke 10 words of English wandered
>into some random American town and walked the streets, went to a
>movie theater, ate in a restaurant, etc., he/she would be viewed
>quite askance, perhaps with a bit of suspicion.  This person
>would probably be treated politely, but not warmly - Americans would
>probably not open up to this person.  This person would be a
>very rare event for the town, indeed.
> 
>So is the inverse situation the same?  Would the same thing happen to a
>lighter-skinned, lighter-haired person who enters a "normal, average"
>community in Indonesia or Maylasia?
> 

The 'Mat Salleh' or 'orang putih' (local slang for 'Westerners') I know
always enjoy the attention they get when they go to kampungs (villages).
 You would get A LOT of attention, especially in the rural areas, so be
prepared if you're planning to go!  'Orang putih' are only seen on TV in
soaps and movies, so it's usually quite fascinating for some locals
(especially the elderly and the little children) to see blonde hair or
white skin.  Generally, guests and foreigners  are always treated with
respect, so you can expect a lot of help and friendliness wherever you
go.  I think this applies to about everywhere in South-East Asia, as
well as other Far Eastern countries.  

An 'orang putih' friend of mine from the Netherlands once traveled
around Malaysia with her fiance, and they had a ball of a time as they
tried to do as many 'local' things as possible.  I asked whether she
felt out of place wherever she went, especially being stared at in mini
buses, etc. and she said that you just have to learn how to get used to
it and ignore the stares.  Now and then, someone will try out their
English on them and break the cultural barriers.  Now when I was showing
a friend of mine (an American) around KL, it was I who got teased by
strangers for being with an 'orang putih' guy, especially as we passed 
the hawker stalls!
        
>---
>Tom Schutz
>dualist@leland.stanford.edu
>(415)854-7196

-azleena salleh
carnegie mellon univ.
pittsburgh, pa.