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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: My HP got SOAKED!
From: DOT@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:30:32 -0700
Organization: BYU

In article <1993Jan20.215610.7047@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Subject: My HP got SOAKED!
>From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:56:10 GMT
>Oh no, it flooded like crazy down here in southern Louisiana, USA, and
>my HP got soaked when my car was stranded in a flooded area.
>
>I've dries it all I can, I thought I should wait until it was TOTALLY
>dry before I tried .... turning it on.  How long should I wait?  Is there hope
>my beloved HP48SX will still work?!
>
Ummmmm, this might sound a little crazy but....

Immerse your HP 48 in distilled water in a 3-layer zip-lock bag, and keep 
it that way until you can get it to a repair facility or can contact 
somebody with bona fide HP 48 hardware knowledge!

It seems that it is not water that affects the electronics but the drying 
out.  Yeah, I know this sounds ludicrous but it seems to be the case.  I got 
my Olympus OM-2 wet one day while canoeing in the Florida Everglades.  I had 
read that in the event your camera gets soaked, immerse it in distilled 
water until you can get it to a certified fix-it joint.  I did just that and 
the fix-it guy said it was probably good advice.  He knew what to take apart 
and how to dry the thing correctly.  Which he did, and my Oly has never 
worked better!  (It's also pretty nice and clean inside! :-) )

Sorry if this information is coming along a little late.  But in the event 
this happens to anyone else, perhaps they will be saved by it.

Good luck.

Mike Wieda
MikeW@Canc.byu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fatri@turing.u-strasbg.FR (Fatri the HP48 addict - etudiant en licence d'info. --)
Subject: RE: Meta-objects
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:03:43 GMT


Ramos writes :
>The file entries.all (a new version recently on seq.uncwil.edu) lists
>several entry points to handle "meta objects".
>However, RPLMAN.DOC doesn't even mention them. I don't have a clue what
>they are.

ramos@engr.latech.edu | Electrical Engineering | se habla espanol, mui mal

Meta objects are objects composed of more than one objects, and they
take more than one level on the stack.
For instance you get a meta-object if you execute INNERCOMP to a list or
a program: { 1 2 3 } INNERCOMP, you get on the stack :
4:        1
3:        2
2:        3
1:     <3h>
The meta-object obtained is the objects + the system binary

If you have :        and execute swap (swap for meta-ojbects)
7:       1
6:       2
5:       3
4:    <3h> 
3:       A
2:       B
1:    <2h>
 
You get :
7:       A
6:       B
5:    <2h>
4:       1
3:       2
2:       3
1:    <3h>

Hope this helps.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fluet@ee.ualberta.ca (Kevin Blaine Fluet)
Subject: Re: Mac linking with an HP48sx
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:35:25 GMT

randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) writes:

>P.S.  We are using System7, (junk IMHO).
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmm, really makes a Mac user want to help you, doesn't it?

-------------------------
Kevin Fluet
fluet@ee.ualberta.ca
-------------------------
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: seq.uncwil mirror
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:14:43 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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In-reply-to: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk's message of 24 Jan 1993 22:42:27 -0000


In article <1jv60jINN943@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:

>Ho.  Somewhere in europe is a Mirror of seq.uncwil
>I would like to know where because at night (3pm MST) I can't
>get a connection to seq.

src.doc.ic.ac.uk (?) pub/computing/systems/handhelds/hp48

--
--> mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:57:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Exam mode in version J (var lock?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Sorry, Joel:

>   At the other extreme, you can get very
> very technical about exactly what killed you.  

No I can't.  But the coroner can.

back to your regularly scheduled drift ...

-- Ray
From: Simone.Rapisarda@f612.n332.z2.fidonet.org (Simone Rapisarda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: INIT for HP48?
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:02:50 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:332/612 - WolfNet Line #1, Pisa I


Joe Horn:

 JKH> For example, I absolutely insist (to the point of irrationality) that
 JKH> my HP48 stay in USER mode at all times.  So my 'AUTOEXEC' program
 JKH> contains -62 SF (among other things).

And what about the SmartKeys Library?
Don't you use its config-time utilities anymore?
Anyway I think it was the first library to use that method.

ciao

                                                RAP





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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: S.O.S. - Amiga user - no tools
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 03:06:23 GMT

akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson) writes:
: maceacla at newton.ccs.tuns.ca writes:
: >My "problem" is that I'm using an ancient Amiga 1000 (2.5 Meg, no hard
: >drive), while the executable code for the various HP48 compilers floating
: >around on the net is non-Amigan (ie: IBM). I don't have a 'C' compiler, so
: >obtaining source code is not an option.
: >
: Sounds like you need Detlef Mueller's RPL48 or the RPL and LIB libraries. 
: They run right on the HP48.  Also get ahold of HP documentation on sysRPL. 
: All is available from seq.uncwil.edu via ftp.  Look in the Index.

I was just browsing on seq.uncwil.edu in /Old_Uploads (or some such thing)
and there are some Amiga tools in one of the directories (/othercomputers
I think).  The old uploads directory has some really old relics from the
early days of the 48, and Chris Spell has noted they won't be around for
long, so get them now.

-- 
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From: akcs.gdurli@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Guido Durli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: TOOLS.EXE
Keywords: problems with the self exploding file
Date: 18 Jan 93 12:40:01 GMT

I've downloaded TOOLS.EXE from seq.uncwil.edu and followed the
instructions in  tools.readme (TOOLS -d ) but nothing very interesting
happened except that my PC " stalled " .
Does anybody know how to decompile this file ? 
Thanks in advance 
                                          gdurli@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
                                          durli@udmi5400.cineca.it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: C compiler for HP48
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:10:24 GMT

In article <C15xss.1H6@nvcc.uucp> robdoss@harrier (Robert C. Doss) writes:

>	I was recently showing my HP48 to our network system administrator  
>Chris Osborn.  He asked me if it were possible to program in assembly  
>language on the HP48.  When I told him that I did not know I began to do  
>some research on the subject.  A few days later, after I discovered that  
>it was indeed possible to program in assembly language on the HP48, I told  
>Chris of my discovery.  He then said something to me that really hit home  
>and is the reason why I am posting this article.  He said that because we  
>can program in assembly language on the HP48, it could be possible to  
>write a C compiler.

[stuff deleted]

>--
>Robert C. Doss, Engineering Student
>Napa Valley College
>robdoss%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu  NeXTmail ok

Well, do you want a C compiler on the 48, or a cross compiler?  The gnu
compiler could probably be reconfigured to work as a cross compiler.  It
has the bonus of giving very optimized code which is important to the
limited 48 memory.  If you wanted a compiler on the 48 you could always
try to port Tiny-C.

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
From: ramos@engr.LaTech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Need prog. to find complex roots of arbitrary function
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:25:32 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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Is there any program that will find complex roots of an arbitrary (i.e.
not necessarily a polynomial) function?


Any clues appreciated. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Exam mode in version J (var lock?)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:45:29 CST

In article <1993Jan23.030545.24088@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>
>Lets say that current is a result of the applied voltage, lightening in
>this case. Very high voltage = very high current. 

Only if the voltage supplys's impedence is low.  Those 10KV shocks you get
from doorknobs won't ever kill you -- honest.

>Do you expect lightening to be of such high frequency that the skin
>effect need be considered? What exactly are we talking about?

No, I'm just refuting your assertion that high voltages are _always_
dangerous.  For the lay person, they might as well be, but I hope we're
all a little bit more educated than that around here. :-)

I certainly agree that lightning is always dangerous.

>[static electricity] Heres a case where we have high
>voltage, electrons scattered mostly about the skin, and 0 HZ. The charge
>is static. Curiously, this is related to lightening, but not to DC and AC
>voltage sources.

The charge is only static _before_ it zaps you.  _As_ it zaps you, charge
is certainly moving.  

>Said microwaves being indistinguishable from the ones used by radar sets.
>You have made a distinction where there is no difference.

I believe that there are significant physiological differences between
being exposed to different frequencies of microwaves, where one comes from a
radar dish, and the one comes from a microwave oven.  (At the same power
level.)

It's not a good idea to stand in front of either. :-)  (Assuming they're
not shieled, of course.)

>Really, then why do fats heat so much faster [than water]?

Is fat high in water content?  I don't know.  It's not my area of expertise.

If you want to discuss this very strained topic some more, let's take it to
e-mail.  Thanks.
					---Joel Kolstad
From: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: INIT for HP48?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:41:31 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <104332.2B64877B@wolf.sublink.org> Simone.Rapisarda@f612.n332.z2.fidonet.org (Simone Rapisarda) writes:
 >
 >Joe Horn:
 >
 > JKH> For example, I absolutely insist (to the point of irrationality) that
 > JKH> my HP48 stay in USER mode at all times.  So my 'AUTOEXEC' program
 > JKH> contains -62 SF (among other things).
 >
 >And what about the SmartKeys Library?
 >Don't you use its config-time utilities anymore?
 >Anyway I think it was the first library to use that method.

I would use autoexec if it didn't soft-boot each time.  I can't
afford to keep loosing the stack, and PICT every time it auto power-offs.
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From: akcs.ejf@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Ed Fasula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: TDS 512K Card
Date: 16 Jan 93 00:40:02 GMT

I always use BANKN unless there are librarys in the port.  Maybe that's
why I've suffered a few mysterious crashes where the calculator
warm-boots on start-up and then sometimes crashes.  Obviously I'm of no
help here.
From: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Exam mode in version J (var lock?)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:50:08 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1993Jan25.102025.17910@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (Hobo Bobo) writes:
>wrong.  Producing current requires work be done.  No magnetic field has ever,
>nor will ever, do work.  Therefore no magnetic field will every produce
>current.

A varying magnetic field can induce.
- Of course it takes work to vary the field, but so what?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: henderso@cidmac.ECn.purdue.EDU (David L Henderson)
Subject: Check Register Program
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:33:35 GMT


Does anyone know of a program for the 48 to keep track of checks, balance
statements, etc?  I had one on a spreadsheet once that kept track of the
statement balance based upon which entries had cleared and printed out
a summary.  Seems like it should be relatively easy to write one for the 48
and upload (or print) the database of entries periodically, but I haven't had
time to try it yet.

Dave Henderson
henderso@ecn.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Exam mode in version J (var lock?)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:35:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.224530.8625@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.030545.24088@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>
>>Lets say that current is a result of the applied voltage, lightening in
>>this case. Very high voltage = very high current. 
>
>Only if the voltage supplys's impedence is low.  Those 10KV shocks you get
>from doorknobs won't ever kill you -- honest.

The thing about static charges is that you really have very few electrons.
And since that is what current is, it should be no surprise that static
charges cannot generate more current than they contain. Lightening is an
extreme example, you can get large currents, but I do not think that you
could hold a comparable charge on your body.
 
>>Do you expect lightening to be of such high frequency that the skin
>>effect need be considered? What exactly are we talking about?
>
>No, I'm just refuting your assertion that high voltages are _always_
>dangerous.  For the lay person, they might as well be, but I hope we're
>all a little bit more educated than that around here. :-)

Only if you equate high frequency with high volatge does your comment
meet the above explanation.
 
>I certainly agree that lightning is always dangerous.

But curiously, people have survived lightening strikes.
 
>>[static electricity] Heres a case where we have high
>>voltage, electrons scattered mostly about the skin, and 0 HZ. The charge
>>is static. Curiously, this is related to lightening, but not to DC and AC
>>voltage sources.
>
>The charge is only static _before_ it zaps you.  _As_ it zaps you, charge
>is certainly moving.  

And the small static charge cannot possibly produce much current. Lightening,
a large static charge, does produce high currents.
 
>>Said microwaves being indistinguishable from the ones used by radar sets.
>>You have made a distinction where there is no difference.
>
>I believe that there are significant physiological differences between
>being exposed to different frequencies of microwaves, where one comes from a
>radar dish, and the one comes from a microwave oven.  (At the same power
>level.)

Those being?
 
>It's not a good idea to stand in front of either. :-)  (Assuming they're
>not shieled, of course.)
>
>>Really, then why do fats heat so much faster [than water]?
>
>Is fat high in water content?  I don't know.  It's not my area of expertise.

Nope.
 
>If you want to discuss this very strained topic some more, let's take it to
>e-mail.  Thanks.
>					---Joel Kolstad


Or we could just drop it.


Rich

payner@netcom.com



Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Exam mode in version J (var lock?)
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:12:42
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
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In-reply-to: payner@netcom.com's message of Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:35:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.193545.22639@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com
(Rich Payne) writes:

   [Joel Kolstad:]
   >I certainly agree that lightning is always dangerous.

   But curiously, people have survived lightening strikes.

Is that where they get bleach dumped on them?  Or exposed to
really bright flashes of ultraviolet light?

Maybe I've missed something and this argument is really about how
to spell "lightning".
--
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"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Non HP RAM Cards?!?  Not for $40 for 32K, I hope...
Date: 19 Jan 93 04:40:02 GMT

akcs.dmankin@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com [David Mankin] writes:

> Can the HP-48 use RAM cards bigger than 128K????

TDS makes special 256K and 512K RAM cards for the HP48... but don't be
fooled into thinking that they give you that much memory all at once.
They are "bank switched" cards.  Only one "bank" of 128K is available at
a time, and the other 128K banks are switched out and are totally
inaccessible.  The *ONLY* difference between a 512K TDS RAM card and four
separate 128K RAM cards is that the TDS card can do the "card swapping"
via software commands so that you don't have to physically swap cards.

-jkh-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fokp@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Ben Fok the "lemming")
Subject: paclevel problem?
Keywords: paclevel problem?
Reply-To: fokp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:32:59 GMT

I recently downloaded the paclevel from seq.uncwil.edu but it doesn't seem
to work.  What I did was I copied the file to my pacman directory and then I run the pasclevel.  Everything is ok so far.  Then I run the pacman program and I see a "1992" maze and my guy discovered.  I have no control of my guy.
Can anybody help me out?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: My HP got SOAKED!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:19:28 GMT

dcommins@hayes.com writes:

>Hope this is quick enough. I've been told the best way to dry electronics
>is to soak them in alcohol (the rubbing/denatured variety, not Vodka) by
>imersing the entire unit. The alcohol will displace the water and will allow
>more thorough drying but you should let it soak several minutes. Of course, you

This is just a guess, but I would imagine that the LCD display might not like being
dunked in anything liquid if it isn't sealed well.
-- 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:59:01 EST
From: Greg Fazzaro <GJF106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Rom ver. & BBS Q's

Hello all --
    I've been off of the net for a while now, and have caught passing articles
about a new ROM version J and a HP BBS. Could someone please tell me the
telnet number for the HP BBS? Also, please tell me about this new ROM version
J, what it does, how I could get an upgrade, etc. (I have a version D). Any and
 all help would be greatly appreciated.
                                       Thanks in advance,

                                           Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: dcampbel@zeus.calpoly.edu (Duncan Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re:  HPs at exams, IR range
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:19:39 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Regarding using the HP48 to send the answers to exam questions from
student to student, I seem to recall something published about this
before.  The result was that HP agreed to tint the plastic through
which the IR passes a bit darker, restricting the range.  If you take
the door covering the expansion ports off, you should be able to
defeat the range restriction a bit without having to design radio
transmitters, etc.  I also know of teachers who will perform a 
memory clear on any HP found in a test room.  Anyway, I hope this
answers any relevent questions with reasonably accurate info.  
            /          
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         _|__   |  |  |   /  |   |  /|      /|   |   /  |   |   /  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka)
Subject: new to hp48s
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:54:16 GMT

1) How do I print out the rom version?

2) Where can I get the cheap serial cable( less than ten dolllars)?

3) What software is nessary to download and upload to a pc( is it built in)?

4) How do I cause an alarm to sound when the calculator is off?

5) Is there a public domain appointment book program avaiable?

Thanks is advance!
-- 
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