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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Annual stepping -too much ??
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.131336.14968@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>Here's another novice question from a new boat
>owner.
>
>Is it bad to have a mast unstepped and stepped
>every season??  i.e. Does it put to much wear
>on the mast, deck,etc. to take a mast down at the 
>end of every season and put it up again every spring?

If it's done carefully, it should not wear the mast or deck
much at all. Certainly no more than a good day of sailing in
a brisk wind. If you ding the deck while stepping the mast, 
etc., you can wear things out. Otherwise, you shouldn't
worry about it. 

Leaving the mast *in* has its costs too---it's harder to get a good
cover that admits no rain/snow, and the spreaders (if wood) are
sitting up there in the elements, losing whatever brightwork you've
done on them. Also, your rigging terminals are busy getting wet 
during rain/snow, and then perhaps having water freeze within them,
which has been known to weaken them. [Note, though, that lots of
boats seem to survive this just fine, too]. Finally, you've got more
windage trying to dump you off your cradle/poppet stands in 
the event of a big windstorm. 

My own choice is to drop it, because they put the boat on a trailer and
drive it to my stepmother's back yard and put it on poppet stands
there. The mast would play hell with the power lines between the ramp
and her house...
   But even if I were in a yard, I'd probably have them pull the stick.
Just one masthead repair task would probably make it worth while. Then
again, if I were feeling strapped for cash, this would be one of the
first things I'd skimp on. So it's a pretty close call.

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wda@osl.csc.ncsu.edu (Bill Allen)
Subject: Re: Cruis'N Carry Outboard
Summary: New Address  
Organization: Precision Engineering Center, North Carolina State University.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:07:54 GMT

In article <306@mindlink.bc.ca> Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Gardner) writes:
>I have a ten year old version of the above outboard which needs some serious
>maintenance.  Would anyone have the address of the manufacture or a supply
>source for parts. Are they still in business?
>
The correct address and phone numbers for Cruise 'n Carry are:
    
    Cruise 'n Carry
    P. O. Box 4070
    Medford, OR  97501

    (503) 826-8900
    (503) 826-8989  FAX

[Note that this is different from Paul Osborne's posting - they've moved!]

They were quick to send me an instruction manual & parts manual for
my C 'n C motor but when the order form says "allow six weeks for delivery"
believe it!  Also they are check or money order by mail only - no 
charge card by phone.  Their people (person?) are helpful over the phone 
when you can get up with them - you usually get an answering machine.
I think their parts department is a one-man shop.

Bill Allen
Precision Engineering Center
North Carolina State University
bill_allen@ncsu.edu
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:45:10 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <lce7i5INN14q@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:

   In article <25SEP199216211976@reg.triumf.ca> bennett@reg.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
   >I moor (park?) in a marina, and I consider it foolhardy to try to sail into my
   >berth - if I misjudge, I will hit another boat, or hard floats.

   And what if you misjudge while under power?  The only time I've been hit while
   in my berth was by a power boat who misjudged where the stern of his boat would
   be when he was applied too much power.  The result was $600 damage to my boat.  

Conclusion: *ALL* powerboaters don't know how to drive and are,
            in general, scum;-) ;-) ;-)

Torsten Weirich

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     didn't say it.
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From: David.Greenberg@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (David Greenberg)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: PRECISION 23
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:12:00 -0800

1986 Precision 23 FOR SALE

FG Sloop with 6 sails, keel-centerboard, 1992 trailer, Honda 7.5 4
stroke outboard, Tuff-Luff Stay, cockpit cushions, Stove, sink,
portapotti, berths for 5, bow and stern pulpits and lifelines. Full CG
package. Excellent condition, points well. A good cruiser for a couple
or small family. Swim ladder. 7950/BO. Call 603-469-3371.

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From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Pollution at Lake Powell (APOLOGY)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Organization: Utah State University

As it turns out, spilling oil into the bilge was _not_ the stupidist thing I
have done recently!

|>Sorry for preaching to the converted but it was easier to take when
|>pollution was an "East coast problem".

What I really ment and should have said was; it was easier to take when
it was not so close to home.

Apologies to all!!

Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Boat Yard Rip Off
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:16:32 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

The Shearwater is in her final stages of getting ready to sail to Washington
from Houston - in the boat yard being bottom painted.
 
Well, the #$@%$& found some minor corrosion on the strut - and rather than
brazing on a $5 repair (approved by the supervising surveyor), they told
me I "had to build a new one."  I declined to approve the extra time and
money - and they went ahead anyway!
 
The surveyor examined the old strut in detail, deemed it fit and suggested
I keep it as a spare.  Sort of like a spare left arm - very useful if you
need it, but an unlikely need!
 
While the strut was out, I asked them to test the fuel tank.  It was installed
flat against the bottom of the hull and had some wear and a minor (2 cc/month)
leak.  I expected them to spot/weld a patch, but - no - they epoxied on
some crap to seal the leak.  Naturally, the surveyor disapproved the repair.
 
At this point, they said I needed a new tank - what ever happened to good
quality welding?  They finally decided to weld on a new bottom for the old
tank.  More extra money down the drain for no added value.  Again, I had
disapproved the repair and the surveryor said it was unneeded for safety but
...
 
Finally, I had some small patches welded on the muffler/water lift about 5
years ago.   The first welding jerks, just off the sidewalk, welded with mild
steel welding rod - big mistake.  I asked them to re-weld the area with
stainless/heli-arc - a conservative technique approved in advance by the
surveyor.  They refused, put more epoxy on the mess and failed the survey.
 
Then they tried to weld it and burned a hole in the muffler.  At this point
I told them to put it back together and give me the boat.  They refused.
 
I authorized the installation of a plastic water lift, approved by the
surveyor and far safer than stainless steel (I believe and he confirmed).
The shop refused saying that the original boat was equipped with stainless
and plastic was far less expensive, thus not as good.
 
My lawyer (I hate lawyers more than boatyards - but want the boat back),
said to pay them what they ask by credit card - and protest the charges later
to the credit card company - after I am safely away under sail.
 
I hate to hurt a boat yard - they have really done nice work for me in the
past - but they seem to be quite unfair this time - and I want the Shearwater
back so I can depart on schedule.
 
they have had her a week and a half - that is probably enough time for any
reasonable activity.
 
I'm not really expecting anything profound - just wanted to vent my anger.
 
Thanks for listening.  /Stu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.035032.10556@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes...
> 
>	A quiz question taken from real life.  You see 3 lights stacked one
>atop the other in a straight line.  The bottom one is red, low down near the
>water, the upper two are white.  You don't have any sense of scale, but you
>can see that the vertical spacing between the two white lights is about the
>same as between the bottom white and the red.  What kind of vessel have you
>spotted?

A towboat with a tow under 200 metres.  The redlight is his port sidelight.
If the tow is over 200 m, the tug will show 3 white lights in a vertical line.
It will, in either case, also show a yellow light over the stern light.

Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: liveaboard sailboats
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:29:49 GMT

In article <26270@castle.ed.ac.uk> ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare) writes:
>Ketches are surely *easier* to handle than sloops? For the same sail area, you
>have more sails (foresail, mainsail and mizzen), so the area of each sail is
>less - smaller sails are easier to handle...
>
>Also, the mizzen allows ketches to manouvre (sp?!) in tighter places than
>sloops, eg: backing the mizzen to slide the stern into a short gap alongside
>the quay while mooring. This works - I've seen good skippers (not me, I'm not
>that good!) do things with a 30 ton, 70 foot ketch you wouldn't believe.
>
>The mizzen can also be left up overnight when in an anchorage and will keep
>the boat head to wind which usually makes for a nice comfortable nights sleep.
>
>I think some guru somewhere has decreeed that the ideal live-aboard boat
>is a ketch in the high-thirties/low-fourties length range.
>
>Oh yes, if you can manage  it, it should be steel.
>
>Roger Hare.

Are there any cement boat owners here on the net? I've heard that they
have a distinct advantage over plastic or metal boats in that, if you
get stove in, the damage is more localized to the point of impact (no
large cracks). There used to be a builder in Southern Maryland that put
together hulls of about 35+ feet. They're obviously not racers. Anyone
here know anything about these kind of boats?

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From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 1927 Issue of _Yachting_ Sought
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Oct3.144201.13337@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.041838.29762@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>>I am seeking a copy (xerox will be fine) of pages 75 and 76 of the
>>August 1927 copy of _Yachting_ magazine.  
>>Earl
>   Satisfy oour curiosity. Just *why* do you need these two pages? I wish I
>could help, but the only normal source I'd have for those would be my dad's
>old bookshelves. Since that issue was published when he was 2 years old,
>though, I don't think he subscribed yet...
>-John

Satisfy my curiosity as well. I bet if you called _Yachting_, they'd
either send you the pages in question, or know who has archived
the magazine over the years.

I'm guessing Earl is about to buy an *old* boat, that was written up
in Yachting. 

Bob
bobp@sandr.com
Livin' on reds, vitamin C, and Libbys Potted Meat Food Product.


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: 1927 Issue of _Yachting_ Sought
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:42:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.041838.29762@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>I am seeking a copy (xerox will be fine) of pages 75 and 76 of the
>August 1927 copy of _Yachting_ magazine.  
>
>Earl

Earl-
   Satisfy oour curiosity. Just *why* do you need these two pages? I wish I
could help, but the only normal source I'd have for those would be my dad's
old bookshelves. Since that issue was published when he was 2 years old,
though, I don't think he subscribed yet...

-John


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:42:19 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

From my experience, most Windex lights aren't bright enough to be seen more
than a few hundred yards away. They also don't look like an all around white,
more like a flickery spot, since it mostly shines up. If you were worried,
you could probably put a touch of white or silver paint around the base
of the plexi
that covers the bulb so that it blocks more of the excess light and reflects it
in the right direction. 


David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Re: looking for a formula for computing tides.
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 18:25:01 GMT



The message included below has prompted another thought:

If one knew the period of the tidal pattern, one could
calculate a tide for a given location based on old
tidal information for the location using the time expired 
between the time when the old information was current (no pun intended)
and the present time.

Seems like one should be able to program this information and generate
annual tide tables based on old information.  (Proabably what tide
publishers do)

This might be worth doing as a fun and useful program.

-Keith

In article <1992Oct1.025919.22887@cs.umb.edu>, mike@ra.cs.umb.edu
(Michael J. Thibodeau) writes:
|> I finally came to the last month on my calendar and now I can't find
|> one to
|> replace it that has the tides as well as moon phases and sun/moon
|> rise/set
|> times.
|> 
|> Does anyone have an algorithm for computing these? 
|> 
|> Also I remember seeing a clock that didn't keep track of the hours
|> but kept
|> track of the tides. If anyone either has these items or knows where I
|> might
|> find them please drop me a line.
|> 
|> -mike
|>                 
|>   
|>
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|> feed  #
|>    # Michael Thibodeau #                 #  him for the day. Teach
|> him how  #
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|> fish   #
|>    # Scituate Ma 02066 #                 #    you nine times out of
|> ten.    #
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|>
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: johng@gratton.net.com (John Gratton)
Subject: Re: Tax Advantage on a Live-aboard
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:31:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.141703.3585@walter.cray.com> u4946@cray.com (Scott Coyle) writes:
>Can anyone comment on the tax laws regarding the interest paid on a
>live-aboard craft?  Is it deductible as was (is?) a motorhome a few years
>back.. The motorhome was classified as a second/vaction home and thus
>interest paid was tax deductible like the interest on a regular home
>mortgage.. Are there any stipulations such as size, number of compartments,
>facilities on board, etc.?  Any insight would be greatly appreciated..
>
>Scott Coyle   -   scoyle@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu

I was just going to respond to the sender, but I figured since I looked it up:

From the 1991 1040 Forms and insructions:

In most cases you will be allowed to deduct all of your home mortgage interest.
What is a home? A home may be a house,condominium, mobile home, BOAT of similar
proporty. It must provide basic living accomodations, including sleeping
space and toilet and cooking facilities.


end quote


I believe in 1992 this stuff only applies to your primary residence,
not your second home. So you may not be able to deduct intrest from your
boat if your allready claiming a house. I'm not sure though, I don't have
that problem, we live-aboard full time.
Newsgroups: rec.boats,rec.travel
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Crew Wanted - Houston to Washington, D.C.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:23:19 GMT

I'm relocating from Houston to Washington D.C. beginning 15October.   Two
people have agreed to help transport the Sheartware, a 36' Pearson Sloop,
for the first leg, from Houston to Miami or Ft. Lauderdale.  I'm looking
for potentially 1 additional crew for the Houston to Miami leg and 3 crew
for the Miami to Norfolk or Miami to D.C. leg.
 
 
Ideally, I'd like some off shore experience - but I have taught sailing for
years and would be happy to provide sailing skills as we go on.  There will
be a 4-5 day off shore leg from Florida to N.C. and a 5-6 day leg on the ICW
thru the edge of the Dismal Swamp - a lovely section of the world this time
of the year.
 
I'll provide all the on-board food and boat related fees.  You will be
responsible for your travel to and from the boarding, any beer/booze you
might wish on board, and any meals we eat on shore.
 
This is a good opportunity for a moderately experienced sailor to gain some
off shore experience.
 
Please E/mail me or call me at (713) 333-0906 if you are interested. /Stu Bell
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid) writes:
>This summer I watched a member of our club teaching his adult daughter how
>to bring their thistle (a 19' 500Lb boat) into the dock.  The winds were
>15 kn with gusts to 20.  We were downwind of a large hill so the shifts
>were significant.

Many years ago (30 to 35), I had a Thistle (17 feet and, if I recall, only
450 pounds) which I used to pride myself with doing much the same thing.
They are *very* responsive.  Alas though, one time I was showing off
this maneuver approaching a concrete dock on Indian River in Florida
when a sudden wind shift caused a total collapse of my strategy.  The
plumb bow of the beautiful molded plywood hull fetched the 6 inch slab
at about 3 knots.  Spent two weeks repairing my boat; my ego never
recovered.

-- Bob

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CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: It's Fall. You know what that means...
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:37:48 GMT

Mike
Please use :) for the humor impaired
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From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How common is overheating from no cooling water?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:56:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.050921.19431@mdd.comm.mot.com>,
zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) wrote:
> 
> Last weekend my wife said "the engine's on fire". The good news is, it 
> wasn't actually ON FIRE, just sort of melting down, with smoke. Apparently
> I lost my cooling water feeding a 350 CID Merc after running well for about 
> an hour. How common is this? Does fresh-water cooling help? How about an 
> alarm? How much damage is usual?
> 
> Sad similar stories might cheer me up in a sad way. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Mike Zintel             zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com not zintel@mdi.com anymore
> Motorola Mobile Data
> Bothell, WA

No temperature gauge on your boat, Mike?

I once had an interesting cooling problem with my old Mercruiser 160.  At
idle, the temperature would rise pretty quickly, but once I started moving
the temp would come back down.  It turned out that the little tube inside
the stern drive that connected the water pump in the lower half of the
drive with the water inlet pipe in the upper half had exploded.  At higher
drive rpm the water was being pumped with enough force to squirt across the
gap and into the inlet pipe, but at low rpm it couldn't reach.

Another, less strange one occurred when the plug over the "heater" fitting
on the engine water pump developed a hole.  Water was spraying all over the
inside of the engine compartment, which of course eventually got the
electrics wet and stalled the engine.  We found duct tape would hold it if
we kept the rpm down.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:01:25 GMT
Organization: Invictus
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...

In article <25SEP199216211976@reg.triumf.ca> bennett@reg.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
>I moor (park?) in a marina, and I consider it foolhardy to try to sail into my
>berth - if I misjudge, I will hit another boat, or hard floats.

And what if you misjudge while under power?  The only time I've been hit while
in my berth was by a power boat who misjudged where the stern of his boat would
be when he was applied too much power.  The result was $600 damage to my boat.  

Dudley
.
Newsgroups: rec.boats