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From: vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur)
Subject: Subborn Joggers (Re: Stubborn Cyclists)
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:57:41 GMT

In article <81592@ut-emx.uucp> klin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Y. Kevin Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.030058.11632@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>>  Here's my problem: I drive to school every day. The road is full of cars
>>wall-to-wall. I usually keep right because the left lane jams up when 
>>somebody makes a left turn. There is a bike trail not 10 meters (30 feet)
>>to the right of the road. These cyclists with their wide-handlebar mountain
>>bikes are scary because one of them has to just make a sudden move and he's
>>under my 245/50/VR16's.
>>
>>  Am I the only one who bitches about bikers not using bike trails?
>
>How about what I have to put up with in NYC and Philadelphia:
>
>Traffic going nuts in downtown during mid-day.  Then you got psychos
>zipping around in roller-blades.  That's right, crazy idiots cruising
>in all directions (right or wrong) on the road, not sidewalk, on roller-
>blades!  Half of them don't even know how to skate!
>
>Even though bikers are slow, at least them can 1) keep a straight line,
>2) go in the same direction with traffic, and 3) not fall down right
>in front of you (hopefully).
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Usual disclaimers apply.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------



On a slightly different note:

here in Raleigh, NC I observe a lot of people jogging on the roads (in both
directions!) at night while nice and EMPTY sidewalks are available.  The
roads are not lit very well, an it makes it difficult for drivers and
dangerous for the runners.

I think it would not aggravate me that much if I know why they are doing
it.  I am sure there are many readers in this group who are into
running/jogging, so I want to ask you: what is the logic (or necessity) to
avoid sidewalks?  Any advantages to run on the road?
From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Final Words On The Club.
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:24:19 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Ways to get past it - 

Cut Club - 
Cut Steerig Wheel -
Remove Wheel, replace with another - 
Spray Club with Liquid Nitrogen, strike it with hammer - 
Drill lock - 
Pick Lock -

Its NOT fool proof, but its an effective deterant. These things take time, and
car theives dont like to take time.  Coupled with an alarm system, ing./fuel 
cut off, your car *should* be safe from theft.  However,  its can still be 
broken into.

end of story.

----- 
 Dan Reed (Blu-Max) blu@cellar.org - AutoCad Geek - VW Lover - InlineSkater 
68 Cougar XR-7, 89 VW Golf, 72 Honda CL360Twin, Ti/99/4a, Vextrex, Timex
From: tim@dwp.la.ca.us (Tim Mortensen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Right turn on red
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: tim@manta.dwp.la.ca.us
Distribution: usa
Organization: LADWP

A quick question.  Is it legal to make a right turn on red from the lane
next to the right lane when it is designated for a right turn?????
I can't believe it is legal yet EVERYBODY in LA does it.  Am I wrong?

-- 
\ _
0 0   Tim Mortensen
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\__   tim@manta.dwp.la.ca.us
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: One Incredible Drive!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:50:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I went home to Maine last weekend, but I decided to take an alternate
route to the NYS Thruway/MA T-Pike/ME T-Pike.  Also, I wanted to 
visit a friend at Dartmouth College.  Anyway, at Albany I got on 87 North
to Glens Falls, then rt 4 east from there.  The road between Glens Falls and
Hanover, NH is so incredible.  I can't give exact routes because my road
map was crappy and outdated(I wasn't sure where I was all the time), but
the road passed by Pico and Killington.  West of these mountains were 
the most fun to drive curves, hills, and flats I've ever seen!  There
was no traffic(midnight:-)), and the pavement is in excellent shape.
The corners on this road are sharp, some banked, and VERY FUN!!!
Wow, I wish I'd been in a Porsche!  Just thought I'd pass this along
to enthusiasts.  If you ever get a chance to go through this area, it's
also a very pretty, uncluttered drive.

Also, the next day I took I-91(I'm pretty sure) from Hanover, NH to
St. Johnsbury VT, about 50 miles of beautiful foliage, smooth road,
very light traffic, and a chance to see how fast my car could go.
I saw no law enforcement on this 'expressway', and coaxed my
car all the way up to the safe and legal speed of 65mph(;--)
Happy motoring!!

Adam Edwards
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,sci.physics
Subject: Re: LIDAR workings (was Re: Laser Jammer Sighting?)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:30:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <Bvpxo9.J9u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jsc52962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Curtis) writes:
>In article <Bvps0r.5r2@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> teek@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Prateek Dwivedi) writes:
>}Another thought re: laser detectors.  Are they only working on deflection
>}from atmosphere particles?  Or does it work on the laser hitting the car
>}itself.  The latter would be too late, wouldn't it?
>
>Yes, it would be too late.  The hope is that the cop guns somebody in
>front of you, and you pick up some of that signal as it's bouncing around.

Suppose for a bit of cleverness, the lidar designers use a pulsed
laser and detect synchronously with the pulses. If they used a
pseudorandom time-sequence of pulses, the jammer-designer would have
to overpower the high peak power of the pulsed laser and match the
time-sequence of the pulses to within nanoseconds. Would you really
want to spend on the order of $50K for a jammer to avoid paying of
order $1K in tickets?????

---Jon
-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:34:43 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <26129@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
[Irrelevant material about have-been-poor deleted]

>>And I'm not middle class here... I'm upper middle class, top 6% of income.
>>Thank God :-)
>
>I might be classified there, but you'd never recognize it from my lifestyle

Your choice of employment and environment. Mine is where $1500 a month
buys you a brand new $250,000 3000 sq ft home, some of the top schools
in the country, excellent health care/shopping/activities, and virtually 
no crime (for now :-)).

>now. Rent for a half-way decent apartment runs $680+ a month here (+
>means up to $1500 for a standard, nothing special apartment.) Trashy
>apartments where the "working poor" live run about $500/month. (That's
>in areas you really don't want to be at any time, esp if you look like
>you have a decent job, no matter what color you are.)

Cars give you (or me) the choice to live wherever you want and still work
wherever we want, by having to drive more. I don't think of cost in that
sense. I see it as the cost to me and my family if I end up living in 
a dinky neighborhood. Adding an arbitrary gas tax will NOT convince me
or my kind to move closer to where we work. It will only convince me to do
away with many non necessary purchases, thus reducing my overall spending
and contributions to economy (reduced disposable income). 

Adding an arbitrary gas tax (regressive to lower incomes) will only
make it harder for them to find good paying jobs and justifying going on
welfare/not working/not producing/taking less paying jobs closer to where
they live as opposed to where they can earn more. Again what you have
is a drop in disposable income. The difference between the paragraph
above and this one is that for me, more money for gas means less money 
for movies/sweaters/lobsters. For the second paragraph, you are free to
help them with their budgets. 

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>In article <26053@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) wri

>Let me put it in simple terms; a tax on a necessity item (be it gasoline,
>food, or medicines) is a regressive tax because low end incomes tend to

Gasoline is not a necessity item for most poor people. Look at where
they live. Look at where they work. They are generally quite close to
each other. Why? Because when their vehicle breaks down, they still
need to be able to get to work, and this happens wuite frequently in
the old cars they tend to drive.

>costs $100 a month. Let's say we hike the gas tax so they both pay $150
>a month. Who's paying more? The MD or the mall employe?

They're paying the same? (relative to income, it can't be computed,
because it was never relative in the first place.)

>mall employe to buy a new car so that she'll spend the money on car
>payments and full insurance instead of gas... I.e. spend $400 a month to
>save $50 a month... Great economics there.

Who said anything about a "new" car? I mentioned new as in something
they do not now own. So instead of paying the $400-$1000 for the new
transmission they need, they could apply that to a new used car that
gets better gas mileage and is more reliable.

>Maybe we can convince the government to issue 'automobile stamps', with
>which the poor can buy only cars with > 54 mpg...

Sarcasm works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't.

>That's the only thing that I find good. Many studies suggest that 10% of cars
>are responsible for 50% of pollution. But, just like insurance,

When the cars start becoming impounded after these new laws we all hear
about go into effect (such as proposed emisions testing under load conditions
for 5 minutes, here in the DC area) and the subsequent $400 limit (proposed)
for repairs every *year* to meet emissions standards applying to cars
as far back as '74, you begin to see the point, I hope.

>PS: read an article on the same thread to see why I oppose the tax. I came
>from a $5/gallon country...

I did. I've also been there for a month, last year. The people seem
to be, on average, quite well off. Their houses may be smaller, their
cars junkier, but they sure do seem to have a lot of disposable income.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:22:10 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, adamstr@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>>   bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:

>> Second, there's no guarantee that the funds collected will be used for
>> deficit reduction. Remember the $1.25 spent for $1 collected equation?

I did not write this.

>an amendment requiring a balanced budget and then _PROVE_ to us they can
...
>of our hard earned dollars to Washington without having gotten Congress out
>their current spending mindset is just throwing good money after bad....

I agree with you. I stated this also elsewhere.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: pvmason@cco.caltech.edu (Peter V. Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: One Incredible Drive!!!
Date: 10 Oct 1992 20:25:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct9.025058.5183@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent) writes:
>visit a friend at Dartmouth College.  Anyway, at Albany I got on 87 North
>to Glens Falls, then rt 4 east from there.  The road between Glens Falls and
>Hanover, NH is so incredible.  I can't give exact routes because my road
>map was crappy and outdated(I wasn't sure where I was all the time), but
>the road passed by Pico and Killington.  West of these mountains were 
>Stuff omitted.********

>Also, the next day I took I-91(I'm pretty sure) from Hanover, NH to
>St. Johnsbury VT, about 50 miles of beautiful foliage, smooth road,
>very light traffic, and a chance to see how fast my car could go.
>I saw no law enforcement on this 'expressway', and coaxed my
>car all the way up to the safe and legal speed of 65mph(;--)
>Happy motoring!!
>
>Adam Edwards

You were on US4 almost all the way to White River, then probably briefly 
on I-89 south to WR, then either I-91 or NH 12 north to Hanover.  

Yes, you were on I-91 to St. J.  

For another beautiful drive, go up 100 N to Waterbury, (stop and get 
some of the best coffee ever roasted at Vermont Coffee Roasters - adv).
Take 100 to Stowe and 108 thru Smuggler's Notch.  Stop in the 
notch and look for the peregine falcons they've reestablished there.
Of course you just passed the Mount Mansfield ski area, but since you
have to do this in summer, take a side trip up the toll road to the 
top of Mt. Mansfield.  Where to go from there?  You can't miss.
West to Lake Champlain and Grand Isle, or north to Newport/Lake Memphremagog,
or north-east to Northeast Kingdom.  Then on to Quebec or Montreal, or
return by Interstates to the big drab cities. 

Peter Mason
Ex Vermonter
When I visit Vermont and say "Why am I going back to smoggy So. California?", 
natives look at me pityingly and say "You haven't been here in winter
lately, have you?."
From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:33:01 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.025624.2095@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:
>In article <BvI579.MJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>>I get the impression that many people who have been raised on expressway
>>driving just can't deal with a 2 lane road. They'll come up behind a
>>slower vehicle and just stay there, rather than pass it. I'm sure part
>>of the problem is the Geo Metros some of these folks drive; in this
>>situation, most "practical" cars get downright UNpractical. ;-) ;-)
>
>Most cars with a "practical" engine can have substantial acceleration as long
>as the driver is knowledgeable about the revs it can handle.  The problem is

Reminds me of the 4-cyl Tempo I got as a rental in Colorado last year.
Getting on the highway from the airport, I merged at about 30 - it
was a very short on ramp.  Anyway, I floored the car since there was
some traffic a few seconds back.  The engined mades lots of impressive
noise, but the car accelerated not at all!  I kept the d*mn thing
floored and managed to get up to 45 or 50 by the time the approaching
cars reached me about 7s later, earning myself some dirty looks.

--Neil

-- 
Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: dan@seismo.pnl.gov (Dan Hagedorn)
Subject: Re: Subborn Joggers (Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Reply-To: dan@seismo.pnl.gov
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:20:07 GMT

Asphalt IS softer than concrete, but grass and running tracks are 
infinitely better than either asphalt or concrete.

So, WHY, when an area abounds with parks and schools with tracks 
available, and health spas with excellent tracks, do these idiots
choose to run in the street and contend with irate drivers such as
me, who hate inconsiderate runners and cyclists ????????

Anyone in, on, or without a vehicle using a public roadway should
be forced to obey traffic rules.  I very seldom, if ever see
joggers or cyclists who show the slighest hint of knowledge
concerning the rules of the road.

no .sig


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>
>In case you missed this morning's Wall Street Journal, Henry Ross Pee-rot
>wants to have a Federal gasoline tax of 50 cents a gallon.

But remember, this is over a 4 or 5 year period (i.e. about a 10 cent a gallon
tax a year).  Considering that our gas prices are about half of what it is in
Europe, this may not be all that bad.

>Just thought you might like to be aware of this.
>
>
>Joe Naiman

-- 
Salil Saxena		Gotta love those British Roadsters - '91 Lotus Elan SE
Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		Internet: salil@igor.tamri.com	
South San Francisco, CA  94080		Phone: (415) 872-2722 x2283
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: kokerj@jec328.its.rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak)
Subject: Re: Does This Law Make Sense
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:07:31 GMT

In article <1bb41hINN3d8@bigboote.WPI.EDU> damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile) writes:

>>I've been trying to find out how one can legally transport a firearm in
>>a station wagon which has no locked trunk.  An NRA instructor told me
>>that if the gun is on the seat in plain view, it is not concealed, and
>>it's legal to transport it that way if the gun is unloaded.
>
>	In Mass, in order to transport a firearm inside of a vehicle,
>	either loaded or unloaded, you must have a pistol permit.
>	(yup, even if it isnt a handgun.)
>	
>	just figured id fill you in on silly Massachsetts laws.
>
>Damon
>
>damong@wpi.wpi.edu

Forgive me for carrying this on in this newsgroup, but I do not believe that 
this is correct. I've lived in MA for my entire life and have a LTC for
all alwful purposes. I know how difficult it is to obtain these cards,
especially east of I-495. Anyways, I have never read anything to confirm the
above law. This would require all MA residents that (drive to) hunt have 
a pistol permit. In addition, out-of-staters would have a tough time since 
it is nearly_impossible to obtain a visitors LTC. I see hundreds of out-of
state hunters in my town every year. MA authorities don't want everyone 
running around with handguns, so I can't imagine that they would give you a
license to do so simply so you could transport a rifle in your car. I could
be wrong though, no flames, but if you could cite the code and section, I
would appreciate it. :-)

--Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

  The last time I studied for a driver's license exam, the text stated 
that turning right from the curb lane into the curb lane after a full 
stop (whether light or stop sign) is acceptable.  Also, turning left 
on a one-way street from the left curb lane into the curb lane of the 
cross street (It must be one way-right to left) is OK.  This is one of  
the few laws that actually do make sense.:^)  

  The bad part is that if you travel out your home state, you rarely know 
all of the obscure traffic laws.  But of course, the local constables will 
be more than happy to point out those subtle details as you pass through
their town! :^) 

  Be Careful out there--They'll be watching you even if you don't watch
for them!!

     'later,
        Gary 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Signalling one's desire to pass
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 02:09:43 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct6.145247.3552@memstvx1.memst.edu> ujmli@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>The part i'm not clear about is would it be alright to pass on the right when
>driving in the city roads? Sometimes a people are on the left going slow
>because they're slow drivers and are about to turn left.

Explicitly legal to pass on the right in MD in the case of a
left-turning vehicle, even on one-lane-each-way roads.   But only on
the road proper, not the shoulder.  (not that that stops anyone)

-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:21:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Off-Road Driving Techniques
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

 Works great on my toyota 4x4 pu. Low range first is so low that it is diffecult
 to slip the clutch so not to jerk the drivetrain. I also used this technic  
 on a 79 toyota corrolla when the clutch slave cyl puked its fluid out. 
 I was able to drive home in traffic w/o a clutch. Just turn the key off at 
 red lights adn leave in gear aand turn the key and go when the light turned
 green. Great fun, give it a try.
 Not responsable for trashed drive train and /or starter stuff.
 Just my $0.02
 Jeff Brown
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: shultz_ed@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Signalling one's desire to pass
Organization: Motorola, Inc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.032611.5966@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano) writes:

>        Sounds like it's a worse offense to travel in the fast lane in the
>US than in Oz. There are signs on divided country highways that say "Keep
>left unless overtaking" but on urban highways and freeways the right lane
>is used by everyone, though generally slower drivers keep to the left, or
>they're supposed to anyway! :-). And it's no big deal to overtake on the
>left (unless you get caught speeding, as you say).
>

IMHO, I think the problem here is with the term "fast" lane.  Who determines
what is "fast", 60MPH, 70MPH, 80 MPH, e.t.c.?  The left lane should be called
the "passing" lane.  Anyone who wishes to pass uses the left lane to pass then
returns to the right lane immeadiately leaving the left lane open for passing
by others.  If the left lane is the "fast" lane then each person has a
different definition of "fast".  A person who sets the limit higher always gets
behind someone who set the limit lower.  This system works on urban highways
with relatively light traffic.  A lot of people believe that the left lane is
the "passing" lane which explains why you see most people driving in the right
lane on urban roads.

-Ed S.

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