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From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The Finality of Allah's Apostle (SAW)
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:40:16 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov19.200333.13526@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov18.131752.30657@davidsys.com>, merchant@davidsys.com 
> (Rukhsana Merchant) you write:
> 
> RM>	The Finality of Allah's Apostle (SAW).
> RM>
> RM>	Abu Haraira report Allah's Messenger (SAW) as saying:
> RM>	The similitude of mine and that of the Apostles
> RM>	before me is that of a person who built a house
> RM>	quite imposing and bueatiful, but for one
> RM>	brick in one of its corners.   People would
> RM>	go around it, appreciating the building, but
> RM>	saying: Why has the brick not been fixed here?  He
> RM>	said:  I am that brick and I am the last of the 
> RM>	Apostles.
> RM> 
> RM>		Sahih Muslim.
> 
> Dear Rukhsana,
> 
> Allah the Creator and the Builder has indeed built the house, and Prophet 
> Muhammad was indeed the last brick of that house or the last of the 
> Apostles. However, the IMPLICATION that this house constitutes the END 
> of God's Creativity and Buildership is a theological absurdity which is 
> against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an about Godhood.
> 
> It is possible to understand this saying of Prophet Muhammad in a
> different manner, WITHOUT LIMITING God's Creativity and Buildership.
> That is to say: God, the Builder, built a HOUSE through His Messengers 
> and Prophets (i.e. 124000 of Them from the time of Prophet Adam to the
> time of the Seal of the Prophet according to a Hadith from Imam Ali.) 
> and Prophet Muhammad was the last brick in this HOUSE, or the last
> Apostle in the Adamic cycle of God's Creativity. However, upon the 
> completion of this HOUSE, God's creativity DOES NOT STOP, it rather

It would be very presumptuous and unthinkable to limit or assume motives
of ALLAH (AWJ)!!  Astagtagfirullah!

> continues towards building a CITY in a new cycle of creation whose
> appearance is ushered by Imam Mihdi and whose foundation is laid by 
> Issa-bni Maryam as a token of God's grace in a NEVER-ENDING process 
> of God's Creativity. Such an approach in understanding the finality
> of Prophet Muhammad keeps the Creatorship of God intact and bestows
> meaning to the Mission of Mihdi and the Return of Christ.

You have clearly not studied the teachings of Prophet Muhammed (SAW).

> Kamran Hakim

-Rukhsana Merchant
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Few days before Martial Law in Pakistan !!!!!
Keywords: Long March
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:34:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Nov19.142522.9098@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> nsiddiqu@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (najeeb siddiqui) writes:
>Adaab..
>
>God forbids but if the recent developments in Pakistan continues, we
>will soon have martial law in Pakistan !!!!!!
>
>All she wants is: public on the raod (they will be on the raod since
>they don't have anything constructive to do) which will pave the way for
>MARTIAL LAW !!!
>
>please post any latest info ...
>
>comments ....
>
>Najeeb Siddiqui

 It seems that daughter has learned nothing from the tragic end of her 
father ||    and people have forgotten the black history of PPP (Plunder
Pakistan Party).
From: fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Benazir Bhutto
Keywords: Bhutto
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:42:53 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov21.225958.9725@news.columbia.edu> aa102@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Amer  Ahmad) writes:
>Listen fellow Pakistanis...all of you who think that Pakistan would be better off under Martial Law, think again.  Although I think Benazir may not be the best person for the job, and although I have tremendous hatred for Nawaz Sharif...they are both better for Pakistan (and Democracy) in the long run.  And for those of you who think that Benazir and the Bhutto's are better off dead...you all should really be ashamed of yourself for posting such trash.  We are the representatives of Pakistan in the W
>
>
>
>d by saying such unintelligent and cruel things like Benazir should be hanged "like her father" you make a negative impression...you all should really get a grip on your emotions.
>
>Amer Ahmad
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


	Oh Yea !!!
	then how would you justify the Benazir's recent protest to acheive
	the power..????
	Dont' you think that she is responsible for he lose fo life and property	during that protest...
	What did she had to loose, nothing.
	But the sufferes were the innocent people of pakistan..
	To give Benazir power means to SUICIDE.....

	(God protect pakistan from the Vampire political leaders as Benazir) 
	Amin....

	 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,rec.arts.poems.urdu
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Ghazal Time...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:05:50 GMT

 

                                    Zara Si Baat


          Zindagi kay mailay main, khawahishon kay raylay main
          Tum say kiya kahain janan, isqadar jhamailay main

          Waqt ki rawani hai
          bakht ki girani hay

          sakht be-zamini hai, sakht la-makani hai
          hijr kay samndar main

          Takht or takhtay ki aik hi kahani hai
          Tum ko jo sunaani hai

          Baat go zara si hay
          Baat umr bhar ki hay

          Umr bhar ki baatain kab do ghari mein hoti hain


          Dard kay samandar main
          Un-ginat jazeeray hein, bay-shumar moti hain

          Aankh kay Dareechay main tum nay jo sajaya hay
          Baat us diyay ki hay

          Baat us gilay ki hay
          Jo lahoo ki khilwat main chor ban kay aata hay

          Lafz ki faseelon par toot toot jaata hay


          Zindagi say lumbee hay
          Baat rat-jagay ki hay

          Raastay mein kaisay ho
          Baat takhliyay ki hay

          Takhliyay ki baaton main guftugoo izafi hay
          Piyar karnay waalon ko ik nigaah kafi hay

          Ho sakay to sun jao, Aik din akailaiy mein
          Tum say kiya kahain jaana, isqadar jhamailay mein


          By Amjad Islam Amjad
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: email discussion group for south asian women
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:36 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: romeo.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Nov16.055658.17932@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes...
]>In <1992Nov11.192050.8549@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) writes:
]> 
]>>There is an email discussion group for south asian women which has
]>>been set up recently. Women from the south asian countries as well 
]>>as women from other parts of the world interested in the issues that
]>>concern south asian women are welcome to join this discussion group.
]>>This group is not open to men as it is set up now. Women who would 
]>>like to join this mailing list should send mail to 
]> 
]>>usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
]> 
]>>OR
]> 
]>>susanc@helix.nih.gov
]> 
]>>Uma Subramanian


]>  I think that it is unfair that this 'discussion' group is closed to men.
]>Isn't that a form of sexism.
]>   I invite a justification/answer. 

	A case of reverse discrimmination, perhaps ?

	Asim Mughal
	[Standard Disclaimer]
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Was Bhutto an elected Prime Minister ?  No Way !!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:33:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov18.034605.97803@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (IBRAHIM  MUSTAFA ) writes:
> 
>    
> 
> 	One of Amercian Friends asked me a question that why bhutto was
> hanged when he was an elected prime minister ? 

Bhutto was certainly more elected than anyone else i can think about. Who 
are we comparing his election against? Zia, Yahya, Ayub, Junejo,
even Nawaz Sharif? When you look at it, Bhutto's mandate exceeded any of these
"elected representatives". Surely you wouldn't have wanted to put Pakistan 
through another divisive election campaign following the trauma of the 
East Pakistan secession. 

Zia ruthlessly hanged Bhutto to preserve his own hold on power. 
He was a conniving politician who cleverly cloaked himself in a military
uniform and simple Islamic values. About Yahya, the less said the better.
The apologists can keep trying to revise history, but facts are simply facts.

                       Izaz Haque
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam main girlfriend/boyfriend ka muqaam
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:00:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov23.054144.22130@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes...
> 
>Assalam-o-alaikum;
>	I have a question regarding boyfriend/girlfriend relationships
>in Islam. Is there a similar concept in Islam. How are the marriages
>arranged in Islam.
> 
>In the western culture, the basis for the concepts of boy/girl friends 
>is that the two people who are in this relationship will be
>living their lives together. So naturally they should be the ones making 
>the decisions about their partners in life. An informed decision based on 
>the personality of the other person and not just on a photograph or 
>outward appearance or family background . Is this kind of relationship
>not possible in Islam.
> 
>Please send all the e-mail responses and flames to Rafay and
>Tanwir at tanwir@hpctlg.corp.hp.com.
> 
>						Farrukh Shah Khan
>						Minister for Religious
>						and Romantic Affairs
>						ADP

	I do not know about Islam but in Pakistan (Pakistan is an islamic
	state I suppose) there is no problem having girl/boy friends
	the only condition is that there must be a "BALA" nearby.
	You must have heard of "BALAY TAY MILL MAHYA". 

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject: Re: The Myth of Muslim 'Fundamentalism'.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:28:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.164711.15266@usl.edu>, zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) writes:
> 
>                    The 'Myth' of Muslim Fundamentalism
>                    -----------------------------------
> 
> Of late there has been profuse use of the term "Muslim Fundamentalism' by some 
> of the netters who seek to bismirch the name of Islam and Muslims. I wish
> to bring to the notice of the readers the inappropriateness of the use of 
> the term Muslim Fundamentalism.
etc...

> IF "REMAINING TRUE TO ONE'S BELIEF" IS 'FUNDAMENTALISM', THEN EVERY MUSLIM
> IN THE WORLD IS A FUNDAMENTALIST FIRST AND LAST!

I agree "muslim fundamentalism" is used somewhat loosely by the Western Media, 
but it basically describes someone who chooses to interpret all religious 
doctrines literally. For example, if you believe a thiefs hand should be cut 
off for stealing, or people committing adultery should be stoned to death,
or women should be forced to wear veils, etc.  I would say you're a 
fundamentalist. Its pretty easy to understand the term and its context. 
If you're a not fundamentalist, you probably know it. 
i wouldn't waste a lot of time thinking about how it only applies to Christians,
or trying to prove its a conspiracy to birmirch Islam etc. All religions 
have their crazies. We have ours.

                                Izaz Haque
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:35:50 GMT

In article <1eb2oaINNngu@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>, ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

|> Well, I think my whole claim is that the Qur'an does it for us.  If
|> both the Ahmadis and I believe in the Qur'an, I can indeed make a
|> case.  Since you don't believe in it at all, and clearly know very
|> little about it, I don't even see why you're arguing -- it can only
|> embarrass you...
|> 
|> -- Shakil

I don't understand your motives for declaring someone non-muslims.
I mean if you or anyone else declared himself a hindu, I could care
less about declaring them non-hindus if I didn't see any vested 
interests for me in doing so. What do the muslims gain by declaring 
the Ahmadis as non-muslims ?  The only persons I can think of who
might have an interest in outcasting them is the mullahs. Since any 
violation to their teachings serve to decrease their powers.  Already
the mullahs are well aware of the divisions among themselves. Perhaps
they just don't want to see another breed of mullahs cropping up. 

regards,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: e-mail to lahore
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:42:18 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

In <1992Nov22.4739.22675@dosgate> "haroon bashir" <haroon.bashir@canrem.com> writes:

>Does anyone know if I can send e-mail to Lahore and if I can receive it?
>I am totally new to electronic stuff so I would need to know everything
>from real basic specifics. I want to send stuff created in Word Perfect
>to another modem/computer in Lahore. Time is not important but cost is.
>Would it be cheaper to send/ receive a Fax? Does anyone have any
>suggestions? All help would be much appreciated.
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Lahore has been accessible for internet mail for several months now, Karachi
since last month, Sialkot for a couple ofmonths, and Islamabad Inshallah
this month or early December - some equipment shipped to Pakistan is awaited
there and we hope it will be there soon.

IOn the meantime whoever you want to send/receive email from Lahore should
contact Dr Usman Anwar at KLahore 830111, or simply dial into 858500 and get
an instant internet address.  Karachi dial in is available at 455-9448.

If you are comparing with fax then email is MUCH cheaper.  In addition it is
more flexible (like saving the trfouble of retyping at the receiving end)
but if you have formatted documents etc to send then keep in mind that internet
has ASCII only limitations that have to be kept in mind.

Based upon recent costs studied we find that a one page text message (about
2k of text) costs about $1 (this is not a price quote, just to give you an idea
with our system and about $3-4 with an average typed
one page fax that can take one-two minutes (rates from Pakistan to USA are
about Rs 60 per minute with one minute increment billing, an average fax
takes about 1 minute 15-30 seconds = two minutes even from digital exchanges.)

In addition, I would factor inthe cost of failed calls - you can possibly get
credit from AT&T MCI etc for such a call but not in Pakistan :-(

I hope this helps you in your decisions.  If you want to have our offices
in pakistan contact someone to explain internet email you can send email to
usman@imran.ar.pk for people in Lahore or send email to root@khi.imran.ar.pk
if you want us to contact someone in Karachi.

Regards

Imran Anwar

imran@panix.com
imran@imran.ar.pk

Ashar Nisar

a9@btr.com
ashar@imran.ar.pk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "haroon bashir" <haroon.bashir@canrem.com>
Subject: e-mail to lahore
Reply-To: "haroon bashir" <haroon.bashir@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:36:53 EST

Does anyone know if I can send e-mail to Lahore and if I can receive it?
I am totally new to electronic stuff so I would need to know everything
from real basic specifics. I want to send stuff created in Word Perfect
to another modem/computer in Lahore. Time is not important but cost is.
Would it be cheaper to send/ receive a Fax? Does anyone have any
suggestions? All help would be much appreciated.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:38:16 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1eead2INN8rh@agate.berkeley.edu> naufal@ocf.berkeley.edu (Naufal A. Khan) writes:
>In article 992Nov18.142321.18018@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu 
>(Yazmasterj) writes:
>

..... (stuff deleted)

>
>>Yasmin
>>-- 
>>**************************************************************************
>>*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *           .sig undergoing          *
>>*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *            reconstruction          *
>>**************************************************************************
>
>  I couldn't agree more.  I was among the first ones to reply to Mr.Willnecker
>both on the net and via email.  
>
>  He clarified his position twice on the net. In addition, he personally
>replied back to me.
>
>  Why can't we just drop the whole thing ?  This whole thing of kaafir,
>hell, and "american bastards" is getting kind of embarrassing now. Doesn't
>Islam also teach us to forgive ??? ( and in this case, the poor guy is not
>even guilty of anything ).
>
>  Naufal Khan .

I guess it is the gora-complex... some people just feel good about themselves
attacking some white guy.....

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamshed@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Jamshed Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Need Info. Visa status etc.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:05:01 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics, IC Group
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamshed@Warren.MENTORG.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: kahn.warren.mentorg.com


Hi-

I would appreciate anybody's help regarding some information.

I recently got married. My wife is working in Michigan.
I am working in New Jersey. She in on H-1 visa and recently became Canadian
resident (after getting H-1). I am about to get my H-1. Right now I am on 
F-1 Practical trainning.

The questions are:

1- 	Can she quit her job and stay in New Jersey legally being a canadian
	resident?

2-	Does she needs to keep the current job until she get another
	job in New Jersey and new H-1? ( a hard one to do)

3-	Can she get a H-1 easily
	after converting to my visa, that is, getting H-4? I mean is it more
	hard to convert to H-1 from H-4  then a new H-1 from old H-1.

4- 	Can she take a long absence from her job, provided her employer
	agree and search for the job in New Jersey. As she is paid on 
	an hourly basis, will there be any problems later on while filing
	income tax?

5-	How difficult is it for the Canadian resident to get H-1?

My wife wants and move to New Jersey as soon as possible without 
getting into too much trouble 

I guess there are some options available. I am asking your help to find 
the optimal option.

Please  post the comments  on net, so other people may also read it in case
some one need the infomation in future. You may also mail your kind response
directly to me.

Much thanks in advance.

--jamshed.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Junejo and Shayaateen
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:56:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.ces.cwru.edu


In one of his recent postings, Sobhan Shahid wrote ....

>Nadeem thats what I am saying, they are all corrupt.  You are trying to justify
>that if one is going to jump in a well its right for others too.  Cool down man,
>Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was not the elected prime minister of the then Pakistan. He
>himself got elected by declaring other candidate as traitor.  He was an
>undemocraticaly elected prime minister of Pakistan. If Zia was a shithead then 
>how well you will define ZAB, Junejo, Nawaz, and BB.  They were/are all murderers of many
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Please give Junejo a break.  Mr. Junejo is a  much better person
	than  Zia, Z. A. Bhutto, Navaz NoSharif, BB, Ishaq, Jatoi                        or Gauhar Ayub.
	I have included Gauhar Ayub in this list, because knowing Pakistan's
	luck, he will be the next President of Pakistan. Any way, 
	Junejo, from what i know about him, seems to be a gentleman.
	I dont say laahole-valaaquwat with his name. I do this for other
	Shayateen mentioned above.

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio


>innocent Pakistanis.  But the problem is that when people mourn on somebodies
>dead body they first check his/her ethnic background.  Whatta shameful nation
>Pakistan is.
From: shamim@petoskey.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim)
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:21:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.043427.100@cc.uow.edu.au>, g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
|> wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brian Willnecker) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >   DEATH           TO               PAKISTAN
|> >-- 
|> >****************************************************************************
|> >* Brian Willnecker                   : "You can blow out a candle,         *
|> >* wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    :  but you can't blow out a fire"  PG *
|> >****************************************************************************
|> 
|> 
|> WELL DESERVED TITLE FOR PAKIS:

Just wondering if your mother really got married to that SHAIKH whose
name you are using.
|> 
|> BYE
|> ADIL
|> *******************************************************************************
|> AA DIL SE DIL MILA DE, YEH DIL MAIN KYA HAI BATA DUN
|> *******************************************************************************

A Paki 
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