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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Crank arm length
Keywords: crank arm length
Date: 27 Aug 1992 22:12:44 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Aug27.195556.25113@dsd.es.com> rpimente@es.com
(Richard Pimentel) is crank-y: 
>I am thinking about buying a new crank set for my road bike because mine
>does not accept a 39 tooth chain ring 

I am not sure I understand this.  Why won't it accept a 39 tooth ring?
If it is a road bike, then it ought to have the bolt circles
compatible with a 39 tooth ring.  If it has a triple, it is probably
ATB chain rings.  In that case, get a 38 ATB chain ring and you have
essentially the same thing.

>...  wear pants that have a 33-34'' in-seam. I am a fitness rider and
>climb a lot of long mountain roads. ...The crank arms I have are 170
>mm. Are these to short? 

Not for my money.

>What length should I buy? 

I wouldn't go any longer than 172.5

>Anybody have a Shimano 600 or Dura Ace crank set that they want to
>sell? 

In your dreams.  Try Colorado Cyclist.
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Recumbents (was Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??)
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:12:47 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <f4gna0b@lynx.unm.edu> samjones@carina.unm.edu (Pipps the Odious Mr.) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.035842.17102@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>>I'm still not sold on the VISIBILITY thing, but I need more information.

>	Visibility depends on what you mean.  On a recumbent (unless it's REALLY
>low profile), the rider's eyes are usually less than half-a-foot lower than they
>are on a safety bicycle in tuck-and-roll (tuck-in-roll?) position.  The majority
>of the cyclists body is lower, but the rider has his head higher than his body,
>rather than at the same elevation.
>	If you mean other people seeing you, I'd also say that's not a big 
>problem.  I really can't say what recumbents look like to a car -- I don't 
>drive -- but it seems that a recumbent would be about as easy to see as a 
>safety, easier if you have a flag (which I mean to get some day).  A recumbent
>seems much more likely to be noticed by a motorist than a safety bicycle.  I 
>know I've had much fewer close calls with cars almost crushing me.
>	In short, it's not a problem.
>					Sam Jones

	Yes, I mean how well cars can see me.  On the bike I have today I
sit above the auto drivers line of sight, but lower than LOS of most
truck drivers.  Different recumbents Ive seen situate the rider at different
heights.  Of course I would prefer to go for one that is higher.  Height 
seems somewhat dependent on the width of the rear wheel.  I would insist on
having a wheel nearly the same size as I use now.  I need more information,
however, until I become comfortable (dont know if I made that clear in my
previous post) with recumbents, not to mention riding them s'more.
-- 
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From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Subject: Re: Mailing list info
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:57:30 GMT


In a previous article, miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson) says:

>
>I would be very appreciative if someone could supply me with phone
>numbers or addresses for Specialized and/or Bike Nashbar.  I would
>like to get on their mailing lists.

Bike Nashbar:  1-800-Nashbar   
-Carl
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:58:34 GMT

Nelson Minar writes:
>does anyone have any information on playing polo on a bicycle?
>
>I just played my first game.  [.  .  .]

>Anyone have any rules, or tips on how to play? Does anyone play polo
>on bicycles seriously?

Bicycle polo has an intermittant history in the U.S. going back at
least before World War I.  The last time it was widely popular, I
believe, was just before World War II.  At that time the rules were
put into the rulebook of the Amateur Bicycle League of America, which
later became the U.S. Cycling Federation.

Interest lapsed again after that war, however, and it has not been
widely played in this country since, though I recall hearing of a
bicycle polo league somewhere in the Northeast U.S. (New York?)
sometime around the mid-1970s.  I have an old ABL rulebook that
includes the 1940s version of the rules, but nothing later.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
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From: blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum)
Subject: GRIPSHIFTERS????
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:42:36 GMT

I am looking to buy a Univega mountain bike with gripshifters 
today.  This is the first time I've ever seen or heard of the 
gripshifters.  I need more background on them and opinion on
how good they are or if they have any problems.  Please email
me....Thanks a lot!!

Darren



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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:13:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.190355.9818@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
>
> [cyclo-cross pit-change info deleted]
>
>: If you can't handle some gravel or dirt with
>: 700x20 or 23 tires then you don't know how to ride your bike. 
>
>It's not always a matter of the rider handling the terrain.  Relatively
>small tires cannot withstand fast descents on roads with large crushed
>rock (common in this area).  Tires with less than a 32 mm or 35 mm cross
>section will pinch flat very quickly.  Even with 35 mm tires one must at
>times ride conservatively to avoid flats.  I feel this is the primary
>advantage of a mountain bike.  That said, I will admit that I prefer
>riding a road bike with fatter than normal tires over riding a mountain
>bike.

It's unfortunate that most production bikes can't handle tires wider than
35 or 38mm.  Many will claim design difficulties/philosophies, but I think
they simply want to avoid the extra tariff that's levied on fat-tire
CAPABALE bikes.

I'm working on an article on really fat 700C tires; I've got some that
range from 41mm all the way up to 47mm.  Those are the marked sizes,
after measuring most of them, I've found that the manufacturers are
pretty creative with a caliper.  If anyone wants more info, just e-mail
me.

>Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com


--
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chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:39:58 GMT

M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>**********
>Let's say you're pedaling at 15 mph on a highway where the cars are *supposed*
>to obey a 55 mph speed limit. You're riding with the traffic, and someone
>rear ends you at 55 mph (more likely 65). The relative speed is *only* 40 mph.
>What are your chances of surviving such a crash? Riding against the traffic,
>the relative speed at collision would be 70 mph, of course, but what is the
>improvement in your chances of *avoiding* the collision by virtue of being
>better able to survey what is coming at you? You realize, of course, that *all*
>cars are going to pass you no matter where you ride, don't you?
>*********
> 
>Just my own opinions--not my employer's as far as I know
>*********

Among those who don't cycle much and/or know little about cycling
accidents and among those who want to keep bikes off of the road, the
argument behind the 'cycle against traffic position', that the greatest 
danger faced by cyclists is being hit from behind by an automobile, is 
very popular.  As all of the reputable studies of cycling accidents 
have shown, this view is false, most bicycle-automobile accidents take 
place at intersections and that these accidents are made more likely 
if people ride against traffic.  

However, even if the greatest danger faced by cyclists was being hit 
from behind by an automobile, riding against traffic would, at best, do
almost nothing to increase cyclists' safety.  This is because "the
improvement in your chances of *avoiding* the collision by virtue of being
better able to survey what is coming at you" are at best minimal and at
worst non-existent.  There is nothing about cars which clearly proclaims
that they either don't see a cyclist, see a cyclist but expect them to
get out of the way (more likely if a cyclist is going towards oncoming
traffic), or that they see a cyclist and plan to purposely hit that
cyclist.  Riding against traffic would only increase cyclist safety in a
system which said that the only rule of the road for cyclists is that 
they must get out of the way of all other traffic, and hence, when a 
cyclists sees a motor vehicle he or she must immediately get off of the 
road.  That such system is less safe than one which assumes that
cyclists have the same rights and responsabilities as other vehicles is
shown in the fact that casual cyclists, who usually operate on the 
former premise, have a many times higher accident rate than do properly
trained cyclists, who operate on the later, vehicular, premise.


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
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From: fri0@quads.uchicago.edu (Christian Fritze)
Subject: Vetta C200 settings
Reply-To: fri0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:32:07 GMT

I've lost my instruction booklet for a Vetta C200 wireless bike computer. 
Would someone out there be willing to look up the multiplier for wheel
radius that needs to be entered into the unit (and instructions for which
buttons to push)? Millimeters X magic number = number for unit.

Or an 800 # for Vetta?

Thanks
-- 
Christian E. Fritze                   |                            AOL:geneman
University of Chicago                 |               fri0@midway.uchicago.edu
Molecular Genetics and Cell Biology   |   "No one ever died of laughing" -M.B.
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From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: "Rock Combo" (was: Hybrid Bikes?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:25:22
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<168517A3F.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
	<1992Aug28.161526.20134@athena.mit.edu>
	<1992Aug28.171025.12647@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<16851C686.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 18:06:59 GMT

> I've ridden my road bike across fields, that sort of thing,
> but my "hybrid" is in fact pretty close to a cyclocross bike-
> basically a road frame in construction, but with a higher
> bottom bracket and a more stretched out geometry and
> cantilever brakes. Drop bars, of course, with bar-end
> shifters.

=/= I don't know much about cyclocross bikes at all, but I've
seen my frame described as being like a cyclocross.  I've got
a Specialized Rock Combo.

=/= The Rock Combo was, I believe, Specialized's first attempt
at a hybrid:  drop handlebars and fat tires.  Of course, now all
the hybrids in the universe have upright handlebars and thinner
(if not skinny) tires.

=/= The handlebars are flayed out, and everyone told me this was
passe, but I found that it came in pretty hand off-road.  All in
all, it's the best all-purpose bike I've ever had.  I wonder why
nobody makes hybrids like these anymore?
    <_Jym_>
From: cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:25:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA

In article <1992Aug25.023438.27598@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>
>..my right pants leg, to be specific.  I have a Trek 800 City/Trail 
>Bike, and I ride it all the time.  Unfortunately, the chain and   
>sprocket keeps catching and chewing up my right pants legs.  Is there
>anything I can do to prevent this?
>
>  Chris Meadows

I've been commuting to work by bike since bell bottoms were all the
rage, and I've always had good luck with a simple safety pin. 
Yes, you could buy one of those velcro straps, or use a rubber band,
but I don't like the constriction around my leg. 

These days I never ride in long pants. It's shorts, lycra, or nothing!


Cecil








 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker)
Subject: Leg shaves
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:48:40 GMT


Back when I was racing, Nair was my favorite.  With nobody to train
me into the esoterics of using a razor on my legs there were a
million cuts and nicks around me knees and especially on the skin
on top of tibia in front.  Smelled bad, but it worked and I didn't
have to repeat the procedure for 4 days at a time.

Maybe an electric razor would work better, though.  Comments?

-- 

---------------
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Cambridge, MA  02139-4307            (617)253-1797
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From: mprime@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:45:31 GMT


I recommend that you ALL pick a newsgroup to post in and STOP CROSSPOSTING.
This is why there are separate groups.

Mike

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
From: Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Wheel truing I need advice
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:09:46 GMT


I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
will be effective?  Thanks.

--
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: stephas@dgp.toronto.edu (Tamara Stephas)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:00:47 GMT


In article <ldnyytc@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes
:

>The place I work doesn't have a shower or locker room, but I still want to
>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you
>handle it?

I used to make a fast 10-mile commute to work ("used to" because I moved
within a block of my office, not because cycling to work was impractical! :-)
I rode in my lycra-and-tee-shirt, and changed in the washroom when I got
to work.  No showers there, but I tested the old wives' tale (old jocks' 
tale?) that "exercise sweat isn't odorous," and made do with a paper-towel
rubdown.  Never had any complaints, nor did I notice my co-workers shying 
away from downwind, so I presume it's a true tale. ;-)
Going home in the afternoons I was able to turn my 10 miles into 20 or more 
and really get a workout, then shower at home.

Big advantage:  especially on crisp mornings, the ride in really woke me
up --- especially useful as I started work at 7am!

- Tamara Stephas
  stephas@dgp.toronto.edu
  
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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:03:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.134840.18866@galois.mit.edu> robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker) writes:
>Back when I was racing, Nair was my favorite.  With nobody to train
>Maybe an electric razor would work better, though.  Comments?

Yep it works for me.  The quality is not the best but then I move so fast that
nobody notices  :-)  With an electric shaver you have to do it daily but one
pass is quick and easy.  The best time to do it is at night.  Don't even think
of doing it within 6 hours of a ride unless you have really thick skin
because you will experiencing salt burns when you sweat.  Generally the only
problem I have is having to do it every day (if it gets long my shaver lives
up to its name of Philishave face-eater) and you will definately find out
that some skin is a lot more sensitive (back of knee, thigh depending upon
how high you go).  Of course this will no doubt lead us upto the bikini line.
How high is mine?  Well you'll never see it.  Determination of the actual line
is left to investigative powers of any YL's (Young Ladies) in my area  :-)
  - Eric 
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From: starkid@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Lance Sanders)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: EnviraForm
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:53:25 GMT
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                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.


On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:11:59 GMT, ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne 
McGregor and Brett Delmage), in Message-ID: 
<1992Aug27.001159.11425@micor.ocunix.on.ca> write:

>>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you 
>>handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom? 
>>How do you handle being sweaty from the ride? 
>
>1. Have a shower before you leave home, and use anti-perspirant.

   The most effective deodorant you can use is a mineral crystal/stone; 
attacks the bacteria that feed on your sweat fatty acids, no irritation, no 
stains. Quite effective. Rub not only under the arms, but on the chest and 
crotch areas, as well. 

>3. Do NOT overdress! When in doubt, leave off your jacket. You should
>   feel slightly cold at the beginning of your ride; you won't at the end.

   Amen.

>5. Wipe down your torso and face at work in the bathroom with sopping wet
>   paper towels before changing. Dry off with more paper towels. (Or bring a
>   washcloth and towel). Comb your hair again after changing.

   If you rub off the mineral salts, you'll defeat the application. Wash 
face and neck only.

   Also some folks take along a bit of baking soda in a Baggie, and dust 
their feet with it before donning street shoes. 

---------
Lance "CarboMeister" Sanders
starkid@ddsw1.MCS.COM / GE Mail: L.Sanders6 / Vox: (312) 667-5958
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ken@visix.com (Ken Mayer)
Subject: NEWBIE Q: Clipless Pedaling Techniques
Reply-To: ken@visix.com
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:48:59 GMT


I just purchased a pair of TIME bike shoes & pedals. They certainly
are different than a pair of running shoes and toe clips! I was just
wondering if there is any sage advice on using the new equipment to
their best advantage. I find that I tire very easily when pulling up
on the pedals. 

Ken
--

Ken Mayer (ken@visix.com), The Master of Minutiae
Visix Software Inc./703.758.8230
  Bene Vivere Ultio Optima --- Living Well is the Best Revenge
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Re: NEW vitus 979 57cm blue w/warrantee
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:22:37 GMT

In article <BtJz3I.J2L@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>
>In article <axan12.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
>is correcting:
>
>>...
>>BTW this is the _wrong_ conference for sales.
>
>Oh, joy.  It starts.  This is at least the 3d misposted-by-group
>article I have seen.  Not to count the 2 crossposted articles on
>racing and selling.  All in the first day of use.

Hear me now and believe me later, its going to get worse, and I'm doubtful
it will ever get better.  And why were there no charters posted in the new
newsgroups, or was I just lucky to not receive them?

>
>Ah, joys of the split.
>

More fun than fixing flat tires while you're eaten alive by mosquitos and
black flies. 
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From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:20:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <RMELVIL.92Aug26151137@hughes.hacgate.UUCP> rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.012051.18138@indetech.com> lzs@indetech.com writes:

>>   I have a problem that is interfering with my enjoyment of cycling. If
>>   I cycle for more than about 2 hours, my neck and (esp) shoulder muscles
>>   start to KILL me!! And for the next several days, I have to take anti-
>>   inflammatories and pain killers. Not good!!!

>I also had severe neck/shoulder muscle pain, although with a road bike.  It
>went away when I bought a bike with a longer top tube, and I threw away
>my Advil.

 This is interesting since in my case my upper-back/neck pain went away when
I bought a shorter stem. I guess the cause of the problem is rather variable
depending on the individual--maybe the stem is too short; maybe the stem is
too long-- experimentation is the best way to solve the problem.

 There used to be a stem on the market that was adjustable. It's purpose was
more for finding an optimal length, rather than for regular funtionality. Such
a stem would be helpful to the sufferer.

 Additionally, I have found that behind the neck lat pulldowns have strengthen-
ed muscles in the upper back/neck area. I _think_ this has also helped my
former problem. It certainly hasn't hurt as I very rarely have pain in this
area anymore.


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From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:05:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.142757.3232@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.123104.5775@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.190100.28995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>>[]
>>"On a totally different subject, last night when I was out riding
>>"I almost collided with two kids (~15 years old) cycling against traffic.
>>"
>
>Does anyone know what the law is in N.J.?
>

I think that the law for regular motor traffic applies to bicycles. At least
thats the way I treat it. I remember that I overheard someone complain that
many young cyclists would run stop signs, go through reds and otherwise break
traffic laws. I make it a point to follow the laws. In circumctances where
it would be dangerous for me to mix with traffic I tend to get off the bike
and walk. I use this when I get to some intersections in Middlesex and
Sommerset County. REMEMBER that sometimes a cyclist is completely invisible
to a driver until the last minute. I discovered this while I was driving my car
and suddenly found a cyclist in the left lane making a left. I don't think he
knew that he suprised me but I keep that in my mind whenever I travel.

NJC