HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: Help in Acessing international Libraries
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:55:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct2.042858.21204@njitgw.njit.edu> jpk2581@hertz.njit.edu (joseph p kisenwether apmt stnt) writes:
>I need help in finding a particular pair of rare books;
>(La Genesi delle posizioni     )
>(32 personaggi e l autore: studi sul problems di scacchi)
>(both by Dr. Luigi Ceriani )
>
>Only one library in the US has these (Cleveland) and it's not
>willing to loan them out or even make photo copies to send to 
>me. Help. How do I find out if these books are available 
>outside the US?
>

NJIT should have access to the OCLC database.  Go to your librarian
and ask them to search this.  If they do not have access, ask them
to contact another local academic library for assistance.   Also, check
the catalogues of the NYPL.  They have a lot of stuff in the library
not online.

Margaret F. Riley                       +   "Where is human nature so
Circulation Librarian                   +     weak as in the bookstore!"
Worcester Polytechnic Institute         +
100 Institute Road                      +
Worcester, MA   01609                   +    Henry Ward Beecher
mfriley@wpi.wpi.edu                     +        1813-1887



Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: scott@sklib.usask.ca
Subject: RE: BUBL Update to UK's Favourite Bulletin Board
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:25:37 GMT

This is how to access BUBL via Telnet:


   Bulletin Board for Libraries (BUBL) at Glasgow University Library

Telnet SUN.NSF.AC.UK or 128.86.8.7
login: janet
Hostname: uk.ac.glasgow.bubl
Terminal type: vt100
                         ---*****MAIN MENU*****---

       A--All about BUBL                     J--Glossary
       B--Reference Section                  K--Practical exercises
       C--New titles in LIS                  L--British Library R &D News
       D--Directories                      **N--Latest changes to BUBL
       E--Current Contents                   O--CONCISE(Pan-European Inf.Serv.)
       F--Mailing lists                      S--Electronic Journals & Texts
       G--NISS                               V--Library Systems & Software
       H--Users' board                       Z--CTILIS
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: bibliographies on sexuality
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.183433.185@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>All "vulgar", "reprehensible", "pornographic", or "poison[ous]"
>material that might be accessed from, created on, or stored ...


   You raise important points, I think. What if the banners try
   to force an end to all legitimate academic research in this
   area? For example, John Money's books on paraphilias contain some
   spicy stuff.
   Is there evidence that the banners and burners are becoming 
   a threat, say, to medical libraries?
   
-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: more about sexology bibliographies
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:34:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.220434.5197@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>
>Please not assume that readers of alt.sex are nonserious,
>novelty-seekers. At least try posting there for a while.
>
    Ok.. Sorry. I stand corrected. alt.sex has changed a lot since the
    last time i looked there. I was also concerned with the volume of
     traffic in that newsgroup. That's still a concern. Maybe i'll
    post our snail address there and let people decide for themselves.
    (what a novel idea!) ;-) ;-)
  
   cheers, cbs


-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: more about sexology bibliographies
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:04:34 GMT

cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:

[...]
>   Somebody suggested posting to the sex related newsgroups. I'd be
>   happy to post "new acquisitions" lists. Any suggestions? I want
>   this to go to librarians or serious users, not novelty-seekers -
>   just because i don't want to get into too much followup. 
[...]

Please not assume that readers of alt.sex are nonserious,
novelty-seekers. At least try posting there for a while.

- Carl
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: bibliographies on sexuality
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:56:15 GMT

   Gary Klein's posting of forthcoming scholarly books on gay and lesbian
   studies got me thinking... 

   I have prepared a bibliography of 98 scholarly/popular books on this 
   subject taken from the holdings of the SIECCAN library in Toronto. 
   We also have subject strengths in: sexuality and disability, sex education,
   STDs, social aspects, etc etc.

   If anyone would like the 98 book list, give me a buzz. Sorry, no
   FTP available, but I can mail you a copy. 

   SIECCAN is the Sex Info & Edu Council of Canada, and is the sister
   organisation to SIECUS in the USA. We publish the Canadian J. of Human
   Sexuality (hope this isn't taken as a "commercial use of the net") ;-)
   for which a list of articles is avail. SIECCAN has about 1000 members,
   most of whom are accredited sexologists, therapists, pastors, psychologists
   etc. so the library contains mostly scholarly stuff, but a fair amount of
   self help or "popular" works. 

-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: rhadden@isdres.er.usgs.gov
Subject: RE: BUBL Update to UK's Favourite Bulletin Board
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:37:27 GMT

Excuse me for being new to the net and not knowing any better, but is there
an enormous cost to access BUBL in the UK from the US? If I connected to
BUBL, would I get an unexpected and unwelcome large bill from the phone
company et al.?
Enquiring minds want to know.
lee hadden
usgs library
From: jpk2581@hertz.njit.edu (joseph p kisenwether apmt stnt)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Help in Acessing international Libraries
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:28:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I need help in finding a particular pair of rare books;
(La Genesi delle posizioni     )
(32 personaggi e l autore: studi sul problems di scacchi)
(both by Dr. Luigi Ceriani )

Only one library in the US has these (Cleveland) and it's not
willing to loan them out or even make photo copies to send to 
me. Help. How do I find out if these books are available 
outside the US?

Thanks in advance,

JaKe
From: rduggar@access.digex.com (robin of riverdale)
Subject: Publishers on the net
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: comp.internet.library
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:02:08 GMT

I have a list of several publishers/vendors that are connected to the
Internet (such as Ebsco, Faxon, Sage, Prentice-Hall ...).

Does anyone know if there are any publishers accepting orders and/or
claims through the Internet?  Do any of them have telnet access to order
and/or inventory systems for their services?

Thanks, in advance!
-- 
Lady Robin of Riverdale

"It was fear that first brought gods into the world."  --  Petronius Arbiter
"An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support."  --  Sheen
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: more about sexology bibliographies
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:54:20 GMT

   Wow. Guess i've hit on a hot topic ;-) To everyone who contacted
   me, I'll send you the bibliography of gay & lesbian books...
   The trick is, we have about 1050 books on sex education, therapies,
   social aspects, etc. I can't send this (65pp) catalogue to everyone
   nor would you want to read it.

   Somebody suggested posting to the sex related newsgroups. I'd be
   happy to post "new acquisitions" lists. Any suggestions? I want
   this to go to librarians or serious users, not novelty-seekers -
   just because i don't want to get into too much followup. 

   thoughts welcome. 

   (we used to post book reviews to a BBS called SUZY but that 
   company went bankrupt. I'd prefer the bitnet/usenet route).
   cbs

-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: Why couldn't public libraries do this?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:47:03 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <BvAHpu.JB5@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca 
   (Chris Syed) writes:
> In article <lc9nmjINNr88@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM 
    writes:
>>>I saw an article in our local paper the other day describing a company that
>>>introduces senior citizens to the net (i.e. e-mail, listservs etc.) and
>>>provides access to them from their home. 
>   Odd.. I just heard a woman on "Fresh Air", the CBC radio's Sunday
>   morning programme with a heavy seniors slant - she was talking about
>   a "Gold and Silver" BBS designed especially for seniors. Apparently
>   there are the usual conferences, plus hooks to other BBSs and 
>   maybe the net(?). Didn't get the phone number. Gimme a few years ;-).

     FRESH AIR is produced by CBC/Toronto.

     I don't have their phone number, but you could also write to them:
          FRESH AIR
          CBC Toronto
          Post Office Box 5000
          Toronto, ON  M5W-1E6

P.S.  For CBC fans, that postal code is:
      "Make Five Weiners, I'll Eat 6"
           as coined by Arthur Black
--
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
(w): 419-537-2629      fac2813@uoft01                            *   
(h): 419-243-2740      fac2813@uoft01.utoledo.edu         B4 t+ w- g s+ k
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Why couldn't public libraries do this?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:13:40 GMT

tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM  writes:
> In article JB5@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca, cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
> >  Odd.. I just heard a woman on "Fresh Air", the CBC radio's Sunday
> >  morning programme with a heavy seniors slant - she was talking about
> >  a "Gold and Silver" BBS designed especially for seniors. Apparently
> >  there are the usual conferences, plus hooks to other BBSs and 
> >  maybe the net(?). Didn't get the phone number. Gimme a few years ;-).
> >
> 
> Anyone else have information on the "gold and silver" BBS?

Call up CBC and ask them for information about the person they interviewed.  

Torsten at Omaha  (LS student)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: ballard@panther.adelphi.edu (Terry Ballard)
Subject: Faculty Status
Organization: Adelphi University Swirbul Library
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:26:28 GMT


    At Adelphi University, we are compiling information concerning the 
criteria for renewal of contract, promotion, and tenure for librarians who 
have faculty status.  We would appreciate receiving a copy of the criteria 
used to evaluate librarians at your institution.  We are interested in 
knowing if the criteria are different from those applied to the teaching 
faculty.
   We are meeting on this issue next week, so faxing us information will 
bring a large amount of good will to your institution.  Thanks in advance!
            
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
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| Systems Librarian  |    or ballard@auvax1.adelphi.edu         |
| Adelphi University |    Garden City, New York                 | 
| 516-877-3547       |    11530                                 | 
| Fax: 516-877-3592  |                                          |
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Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: Why couldn't public libraries do this?
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:05:53 GMT

In article <lc9nmjINNr88@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>I saw an article in our local paper the other day describing a company that
>>introduces senior citizens to the net (i.e. e-mail, listservs etc.) and
>>provides access to them from their home. 
>
>I have a few ideas, questions, and concerns:
>1. Is there a BBS dedicated to say the 50+ group?

  Odd.. I just heard a woman on "Fresh Air", the CBC radio's Sunday
  morning programme with a heavy seniors slant - she was talking about
  a "Gold and Silver" BBS designed especially for seniors. Apparently
  there are the usual conferences, plus hooks to other BBSs and 
  maybe the net(?). Didn't get the phone number. Gimme a few years ;-).

>2. How can the most foreign ideas of the Internet and computers be sold
>   to this market of users? I think a library, TV, or grocery store metaphor
>   would be familiar and easy to understand. Newsgroups, threads, etc.
>   would be overload, at least at first.

    Yeah... and perhaps a "ham radio" flavour too... my father in law
    always wanted to get into ham radio but never did. He thinks of the
    net as a way to talk to far off pen-pals.... but he won't buy a
    modem - unless, maybe, we buy him one. So he plays Tetris a lot :-).

>3. What easy to use software is available?

   There was a very simple system here called SUZY a year back. The s/w
   came bundled with new IBM PS 1 or 2 (get them confused) systems.
   It had seniors' conferences on it too. Now that the company is 
   defunct, I wonder if IBM will come out with another "strategic
   partnership" agreement with some other provider? SUZY supplied the
   s/w for $25 and got you into their BBS via Datapac, the Canadian
   publicly avail. packet-switching network - you were billed monthly
   by the company, which paid the Datapac bills.
-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
From: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: Why couldn't public libraries do this?
Date: 26 Sep 1992 22:06:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: oogoody.corp.sun.com

>I saw an article in our local paper the other day describing a company that
>introduces senior citizens to the net (i.e. e-mail, listservs etc.) and
>provides access to them from their home. 

I think you may have a marketing problem, at least for the current generation
of senior citizens, not that I that I am making a sweeping generalization
or anything :-)


I've been trying to get my grandma on the net for years. She just doesn't
want anything to do with computers. She gives me that "I'm to old to learn
computers" crap. I offer her a free computer, account, software, training
and everything. She is smart and I know she would like the mental stimulation. 
Grandpa is a bit of a bore.

I have a few ideas, questions, and concerns:
1. Is there a BBS dedicated to say the 50+ group?
2. How can the most foreign ideas of the Internet and computers be sold
   to this market of users? I think a library, TV, or grocery store metaphor
   would be familiar and easy to understand. Newsgroups, threads, etc.
   would be overload, at least at first.
3. What easy to use software is available?
4. I wouldn't want using the Internet to be substitute for human touching
   and contact.
From: cijs08@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Cost of accessing Bubl Bulletin Board
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:04:45 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

If you use the Instructions at the end of BUBL updates
to Access via the Internet then there are no phone bills
accruing, so happy bubbling,
km
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: bibliographies on sexuality
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:38:08 GMT

cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:

[...]
>   Is there evidence that the banners and burners are becoming 
>   a threat, say, to medical libraries?
[...]

No.

But I think the bans do hurt students, especially undergraduates, who
have less chance to learn about and discuss topics that may be of
interest to them. Seeing your bibliography on alt.sex, for example,
may help a student decide to study sexuality formally. Even even the
student doesn't pursue formal study, access to such information helps
further the general academic mission:

"Academic institutions exist for the transmission of knowledge, the
pursuit of truth, the development of students, and the general
well-being of society. Free inquiry and free expression are
indispensable to the attainment of these goals. As members of the
academic community, students should be encouraged to develop the
capacity for critical judgment and to engage in a sustained and
independent search for truth."

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
academic/student.freedoms.aaup
=================
Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students -- This is the main
U.S. statement on student academic freedom.

=================
=================

These document(s) are available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/academic/student.freedoms.aaup

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/academic student.freedoms.aaup


-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: no.unix
From: anders@ifi.uio.no (Anders Ellefsrud)
Subject: Re: Perl vs. r|kla [LANG]
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
	<1992Sep28.151817.19530@alf.uib.no> <1992Sep29.144830.25106@alf.uib.no>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.144830.25106@alf.uib.no>, buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen) writes:

> I dag er i morgen:

Det er vel et par plagsomme bugs i denne koden, eller er det jeg som
er i t}ka?

1. Var ikke forutsetningen at det skulle sorteres p} hvor lenge
brukeren hadde v{rt logget inn? Den listen dette programmet produserer
er fullstendig usortert (Hint, du sorterer til @BRUKER arrayen, men
bruker den ikke senere).

2. Jeg tror &skriv rutinen din h}nterer brukere som har v{rt logget
inn mer enn en times tid totalt noe d}rlig.

Formatet p} last-loggen din er tydeligvis sv{rt ulik den jeg har, men
jeg tar sjansen p} } komme med en omarbeidet l|sning som virker p}
mine maskiner. Denne versjonen regner ut dager og skriver ut disse
eksplisitt i tillegg til timer og minutter. (Din versjon skrev bare ut
minutter og sekunder). Jeg har desverre ikke sekundene tilgjengelig i
last-loggen p} noen av v}re maskiner.

Anse dette som et inlegg i serien "There's More Than One Way To Do It!"

Programmet krever perl 4.19 eller nyere for } kj|re, da jeg bruker
inline sort-funksjon.

#!/usr/bin/perl

open (LAST, "last |");

while (<LAST>) {
   next if /^$|^wtmp begins|still logged/;
   $sessions++;
   ($bruker, $junk, $dager, $tim, $min) = /^(\w+)\s.*\(((\d+)\+)?(\d+):(\d+)\)/;
   $tid = $dager * 60 * 24 + $tim * 60 + $min;
   $total += $tid;
   $brukere++ unless $BRUKER{$bruker};
   $BRUKER{$bruker} += $tid;
   $TELLER{$bruker}++; 
}
close (LAST);

$totaltxt = &skriv ($total);
print <<ENDE;
Lastlog summering

Antall brukere $brukere;
Antall innlogg $sessions
Tid totalt     $totaltxt

ENDE

format top =
Bruker   Ant      Tid
.
format STDOUT =
@<<<<<<< @## @>>>>>>>>
$bruker, $TELLER{$bruker}, &skriv ($BRUKER{$bruker})
.

for $bruker (sort {$BRUKER{$b} <=> $BRUKER{$a};} keys(%BRUKER)) {
	write;
}

sub skriv {
    local ($tid, $dager, $timer, $minutter) = @_;
    $dager = $tid > 60 * 24 ? int $tid / (60 * 24) : 0;
    $timer = int (($tid - $dager * 24 * 60) / 60);
    $minutter = $tid - $dager * 60 * 24 - $timer * 60;
    $dager = $dager == 0 ? '' : $dager . ' ';
    sprintf ("%s%02d:%02d", $dager, $timer, $minutter);
}

--
anders@ifi.uio.no
Newsgroups: no.unix
From: jar@gyda.ifi.uio.no (Jo Are Rosland)
Subject: Re: Perl vs. r|kla [LANG]
X-Md4-Signature: 284efdd983c946f333878fb566d83e13
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
	<1992Sep28.091529.3055@alf.uib.no>
	<HBF.92Sep28141646@durin.uio.no>
	<1992Sep28.151817.19530@alf.uib.no>
	<HBF.92Sep30093659@durin.uio.no>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:13:34 GMT
Originator: jar@gyda.ifi.uio.no

Hallvard B Furuseth skriver:
   Hvis du vil ha et bedre eksempel p} at sh har sine problemer: Hvordan
   kan du robust skrive ut en variabel $X fra et sh script?
	   echo "$X"?
   Selvf|lgelig ikke.  En variant er for smart hvis $X inneholder "\",
   andre hvis $X ser ut som en option (i det minste "-n").  Beste l|sning
   jeg har funnet (men det er sikkert noe galt med den ogs}):
	   expr zz"$X" : 'zz\(.*\)$'
   Elegant og leselig...

Hva er galt med:

   printenv X

--
Jo Are Rosland
jar@ifi.uio.no
Newsgroups: no.unix