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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Korean
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:14:03 GMT

In article <80904@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>	>  But once they learn enough, usually at the
>	>U.S.'s expense, go back to their homeland. They took full advantage of
>	>this OPPORTUNITY.  Welcome to the land of OPPORTUNITY, landies and
>	>gentlemen.
>	>James Choi
>
>Mr. Choi. It may not be what you want to say.

No, the quote above was taken out of context (a long context).  I was being
sarcastic at the time.

Many engineering department cannot function without foreigners.  I was told
French literature department in France will collapse without foreign
students!  I think it is vital for the U.S. to absorve brains from outside.
I think that's what makes this country innovative.

I would like to see this kind of open system succeed than a tightly
garded, through-personal-connections-only type of system.

>Byungtae Lee (the guy who hates unix editors such as emacs, vi)

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: Monash University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:34:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.183557.12254@news.yale.edu> shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.202508.9505@uceng.UC.EDU> ycho@uceng.UC.EDU (Young Cho) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.222119.1831@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>> 
>> You seem to be confused with some other countries in Asia or Africa.
>  He must have been kidding.
>>
>>I think that 386 is the most popular one right now in Korea.
>  386 is somewhat out-of date in Korea. 486 is the most popular among Koreans

Wow, last time I looked(which was about maybe two months ago, 386 was around
two time as expensive as a US system. When I was there in 1992 January..i.e.
this Jan, I could not site one 386-sx machine in any of department stores and
386 at home was a rare site. 

>
>. And, a large of number of workstations are in use at Korean schools and
>research institutes.  Get a lists of hosts at site like KAIST(Korea Adv. 
>Inst. of Sci. and Tech) ,KETRI(Korea Electronics and Telecommuncation Res.
> Inst.),and POSTECH(Pohang Inst. of Sci.& Tech) and check host type by 'host
>-t hifo' if you can use it)
>

I am not saying anything against some institues but some universities don't 
even have a stupid VAX machines.

>  Korea has only 2 Supercomputers ,one at SERI(System Eng. Res. Institute in
>Taedok Science Town in Taejon) and the other at Kia Motor Company. Frankly,I'm
>not sure of this because maybe other motor companies like Hyundai and Daewoo
>bought their own. 
>

Okay, you are probably wondering why I am saying the standards are so low(well
lower than here, and definitely than in US. I think the schools are bloody 
underfunded and it is ridiculous thinking that Korea(my country) is a really
advanced country. We gotta really wake up to reality and try and catch up
instead of taking proud in ourselves.
For future flamers, you may think that computer standards is not a good indication
of how well a country is advanced...but it goes some way to describe where about
we are.

Jae


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tempo@engin.umich.edu (Kyoungkuhn Park)
Subject: Re: Dual citizenship
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:46:05 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep26.170349.16743@news.acns.nwu.edu>
phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
In article <26SEP199209172538@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>...
>>     BTW, why do you call Korean-Americans "Koreans in the U.S."? 
>>     It is not supposed to be your attitude, isn't it?
>>     Do you call black-Americans Africans?  Stick to your philosophy.  
>>     They are all naturalized Americans like Washington and Kennedy.
>
>Koreans in the U.S. suffered from the L.A. riot.  I have no idea how many
>of them were naturalized citizens.  I get the feeling most of them were
>recent immigrants.  These people have Korean passport.  Thus, Koreans in
>America.  They just abandoned (perhaps temporarily) their mother land for
>better OPPORTUNITY in the U.S.  Once they make enough money, they may go
>back to Korea, as many have alreay.  They are just taking advantage of this
>OPPORTUNITY.  That's why this land is officially known as "THE LAND OF
>OPPORTUNITY."  Extending that further, ALL foreign students came to the
>U.S. for better OPPORTUNITY to study new things that they did not have as
>much OPPORTUNITY in their homeland.  That's why they leave their motherland
>behind for BETTER OPPORTUNITY.  But once they learn enough, usually at the
>U.S.'s expense, go back to their homeland.  They took full advantage of
>this OPPORTUNITY.  Welcome to the land of OPPORTUNITY, landies and
>gentlemen.

Some colleges give admissions to foreign students because they pay
out-of-state tuition.  After graduation, some students stay here and
get permanent job.  In one sense, they are trying to give something
back to this country.  Then what, some Americans think, they really
do is taking jobs away from Americans.  They are damned as such.  If
they leave, they are damned as above.  This xenophobia was not an
issue when US economy was in good shape.  KP.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: s6731028@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (Yutaka Ohno)
Subject: Query: Korean word processor programs
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:26:00 GMT

Hi. This must be one of the FAQs, but bear with me. I'm new here.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Are there public domain Korean word processors available via FTP,
preferably with documentation in English (or Japanese)? I'm just
beginning to learn the language, and I don't need (ok, I should 
say "I can't use") any fancy features.

Also, I would appreciate it if somebody could tell me about 
PCs in Korea in general. I enjoyed the thread on abacus/PCs above;
could somebody expand on the topic? Thanks!

Yutaka Ohno
s6731028@ucsvax.ucs.umass.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Korea
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:34:08 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep26.113442.23330@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>Wow, last time I looked(which was about maybe two months ago, 386 was around
>two time as expensive as a US system. When I was there in 1992 January..i.e.
>this Jan, I could not site one 386-sx machine in any of department stores and
>386 at home was a rare site. 

	Judging from the price of sparc clones they make - Trigem, Hundai..
	they sould be pretty cheap there, aren't they?

	Also, don't they (Hundai, Trigem) donate some to Univ. there?

>I am not saying anything against some institues but some universities don't 
>even have a stupid VAX machines.

	They might be better off staying away from those collector's item
	(you'll probably be able to get Vax11's less than $1K).

	BTW, if you shop around, you'll find real cheap used sun3's
	(maybe $300 with diskless sun3/50 little more for sun3/60)

	After that, the disk will cost way more than the computer
	itself, sigh...

	But it's going down - currently, probably 1 GIG for less than $2K.
	500MEG for around $1200-1300,
	300MEG for less than $1K,
	200MEG for $550-$650,
	100MEG for $300-$400.....

	Do they make any Hard-Disk in Korea?
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Subject: Re: America and Americans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:43:00 GMT

    Sorry for duplicated postings.  I thought the first one didn't go
    through.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hjkim@sol.UVic.CA (Hyong-Joong Kim)
Subject: Re: ROH's visit to CHINA
Keywords: expansionism
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:47:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.142622.29361@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>>ROH ARRIVED IN CHINA FOR HISTORIC VISIT
>>> 
>>>He was greeted at the airport by Chinese Trade Minister Li Lanqing,
>>>Vice-Foreign Minister Xu Dunxin and several dozen Soth Koreans.
                                               ======== who?
>>Shouldn't he be greeted by the leader of China?
>>Does Chinese Trade Minister equal to the president of South Korea?
   if Kim Il-Sung visits Washington DC, G Bush will meet him at the airport?
>>Suspicious,  
  Ditto
>>Kyung-Goo Doh
>It shows how Chinese views Korea.   ---- I'm not so sure at the moment.
>One other barbaric tribe to be appeased, while she is 
>gobbling up Tibet and Inner Mongolia. Some might say this characterization 
>is rather harsh. But I think that I am quite close to the answer, judging
>from the way Chinese in soc.culture.china flaunt their
>imperial ambitions occasionally.    ---- many of them are stunned at the
    liberal N American academics, it takes a while for them to wake up.(IMO)
>
>Against Expansionism, 
 Agreed, however, American imperialists are coming to la Mexique et la Canada,
 let alone panama without puppet noriega.  hmm, i hope Roh will get his jobs
 done before his retirement.
>
>Jung Suh  
 hj.
>P.S. : Imperialsts are not necessarily American nor Europian nor
>       Japanese.
 ps:  make espresso not war!!!
From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Subject: America and Americans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.151302.14730@news.acns.nwu.edu>, andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes...
>In article <30SEP199222594175@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:

>>   Why don't you distinguish between Idealism and Realism?
> 
>What is reality?  I really, really doubt that US will fall
>prey once again to putting its own people into detention camp.  
>DO you think that if US and Japan gets involved in a conflict
>US will put Japanese Americans into detention camp?  First of

    Why don't you believe that?  If the threat becomes great,
    US will do anything she can.  Why not?  She will use any kind of
    means too, even nuclear weapons.  

>all were ALL Japanese interned?  What were the social atmosphere
>at the time of detention? AND do you not see the differences
>between then and now?  Did interned not receive compensation
>and sinceriest apology from the US government?  Time and attitudes
>have significantly changed.  

    I don't see any difference.  Do you?  Only 47 years have been passed.
    Attitude?  Do you believe people change?  Do they suddenly become
    more moral and humane?  Do you think money can compensate them?
    According to a certain poll, most Americans believe
    the war after the WWII will the most disastrous in the
    human history.  What can not be happen?
    Do you think people in
    1940s are the only ones vicious and barbaric in the history?
    Is it logical?
    I can see how effective the american propaganda system is.  


>If draft-dodger Clinton becomes
>president, I don't think unwillingness to fight will be much of
>an issue :)

    I don't know.  Do you think such unwillingless can be justified
    by any circumstances?  How many people are willing to go to war?

    I am astonished, Mr. Kim.  It is not a logic or rudeness.
    I can't believe the thought that you are based on.  
    I thought American people are trying to disregard Clinton's
    "unwillingness" - I don't want to use this word, it is too 
    euphemized - because of Bush's failure in economy.

>Please give it a more thought before you post your reply,
>if such is your desire; let us have real logical discussion!

    You got the point.  Would you think more, please, before you say
    what in the text book mechanically?

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

B. Sean Kim....................... 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: stevek@code3 (Steven Kim)
Subject: lost contact
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:27:16 GMT

I have lost your e-mail address, Byoung Cho.  
If you are out there in net-land, please send me a e-mail

stevek@code3.code3.com

Thnaks


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Shane M. Peterson <shanepe@staff.cis.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Korea (PC PRICE)
Organization: CIS-WBCS
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:02:29 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae J Won)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: Monash University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:04:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.235748.14585@lth.se> e91au@efd.lth.se (Andre Ung) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.043533.22799@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.203408.26146@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep26.113442.23330@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>>>>Wow, last time I looked(which was about maybe two months ago, 386 was around
>>>>two time as expensive as a US system. When I was there in 1992 January..i.e.
>>>>this Jan, I could not site one 386-sx machine in any of department stores and
>>>>386 at home was a rare site. 
>>

[stuff deleted about computer prices]

>>>>I am not saying anything against some institues but some universities don't 
>>>>even have a stupid VAX machines.
>>Also, I believe that Korean computers are actually cheaper overseas than it is
>>in Korea.. which doesn't really help the country.
>>
>>Jae
>>
>
>Well..., first (my opinion) is that no computer is smart.., it will be as good
>as the person who use it...., human brain is still outstanding.  What i know

Indeed, that is very much true. But my point is in the question of productivity.
In Japan, I heard from a biochem postgrad student, they can do experiments on
about 100 patients thanks to better equipment when in Australia, they can do
only 7 or 8. Same with computers. If someone needs to do some number
crunching calculations, it makes hell of a difference in the time taken to
perform that stuff...

>from my visit in korea is that most of the PC's is about 2 times as expensive
>than in Sweden, (an ordinary 486/33, 200 Meg/IDE SVGA/1Meg will cost about
>$3000 +VAT, in Sweden). 
>
>Second, is it possible to tell if a univ. is better than another just bec.
>the computer equipment?  Well in my Univ. we don't have Terminals at all for
>the students just workstations. Perhaps not that many, about 150 (just the
>student net) for the EE,CS students, but I don't think that our Univ. is
>better/worse than KAIST or any eqv. Of course all the departments have 
>workstations for at least each of the employee's. Some Mac's and PC's too. 
>
>I have perhaps missed the point but, any way.... a computer is just a tool...
>thats the reality.......
>
>Andr

SUMMARY: better equipment, more work done in shorter time, more advancement and
better technology.

Jae
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: The future of Korea
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.002006.24431@news2.cis.umn.edu> shanepe@staff.tc.umn.edu writes:
> [regarding Korean unification]
. ...
>            pray!
>stage 6     Hold elections for new govt
>            pray!

Weeeeellll, praying wasn't exactly on the list of things to do according
to an article in Time magazine few weeks ago  but if that helps to
soften the demise of Kim, the one you know who, ... by all means |-)
From: jo@siesoft.co.uk (Jo Baker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Info about Korea wanted
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: jo@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

In my first posting I asked for "Recommendations of good places to eat 
in Seoul."

What I should have said is "Recommendations of good KOREAN places to eat".

We've travelled quite a lot in SE Asia & we both enjoy HOT food !!

Thanks to everyone for the information recieved.  It sounds like a great time
to go.

--
Jo Baker, D9                        |email: jo@siesoft.co.uk
Siemens Nixdorf, Oldbury,           |Tel:   +44 344 850450
Bracknell, Berks, RG12 4FZ          |Fax:   +44 344 850096
From: doh@cis.ksu.edu (Kyung-Goo Doh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: ROH's visit to CHINA
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:56:04 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: draconis.cis.ksu.edu

In article <1992Sep28.131909.21866@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>	The following has been requested to be posted to SCK by
>	a fellow netter in SCK
>	- I'm just relaying this - which means I have no knowledge
>	on this matter.
>
>
>ROH ARRIVED IN CHINA FOR HISTORIC VISIT
> 
>BEIJING -- South Korean President Roh Tae Woo began a historic visit
>yesterday in Beijing, saying that it would help lay the groundwork for
>ending Cold War tensions with North Korea.
> 
>He was greeted at the airport by Chinese Trade Minister Li Lanqing,
>Vice-Foreign Minister Xu Dunxin and several dozen Soth Koreans.
> 

Shouldn't he be greeted by the leader of China?
Does Chinese Trade Minister equal to the president of South Korea?

Suspicious,
Kyung-Goo Doh
From: jo@siesoft.co.uk (Jo Baker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Info about Korea wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:50:53 GMT
Reply-To: jo@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

My husband is probably going to Korea on a business trip next week, and he'd
really like some info on the following:

1.  What is the weather like at this time of year ?
2.  Recommendations of good places to eat in Seoul.
3.  Recommendations of good places to see/visit if he gets the chance to 
    take a couple of days off while he is there.

Any information (in reply to this or by email) would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.. 

--
Jo Baker, D9                        |email: jo@siesoft.co.uk
Siemens Nixdorf, Oldbury,           |Tel:   +44 344 850450
Bracknell, Berks, RG12 4FZ          |Fax:   +44 344 850096
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Subject: Re: Final Memo to JC (Was RE: Dual Citizenship)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.043251.5983@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes...
>Mr. BS Kim:
> 
>Thank you very much for fulfilling my childish desire with your mature
>answers.

     You're welcome, James.  But you got flunked.  You didn't get the
     point yet.  Sorry, I can't give you any more chance.
     Come again next semester. :)

>James Choi

B. Sean Kim.......................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 02:42:59 GMT


tempo@engin.umich.edu (Kyoungkuhn Park) writes:
: ... funny?  BTW, why do Koreans still use the abacus?  I use fingers to compute.
: 
: --KP
I
I think there are still abacuses in Korea in use.  They were used extensively
at the time I immigrated, which was more 15 years ago, so things may have
changed.  I have read that in Japan they make calculators with a little
miniature (I know it's redundant) abacuses attached to it, because the
people preferred to use it for addition and subtration.  I dare to guess that
Koreans still use the abacus extensively, especially the street urchins.

No Joke,

Hyok Lee

:  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Subject: Re: Computer in Korea
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.065156.15971@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes...
>In article <80602@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>>
>>	>There are almost no computers in Korea.  Everyone uses an abacus.
>[jokes about Korean computing scene...of course made up totally]
>>	>I hope this was informative. :) :) :) :) :)

>This is quite incredible. Some people just don't get to it.
>I support the original poster. He was quite funny. The second poster has no idea
>and has no sense of humour...What do you think those smilies above meant???
> 
>Jae

    It is really strange.  The original poster was joking, and the following
    posters were joking again pretending to believe the original poster.
    Actually, that made the original poster confess it had been a joke.

    What kind of naive people you are.  I might be another dumb
    confessing all of these.

B. Sean Kim.......................

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:32:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.170927.386@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>Recently, I saw a video tape made by the Billy Graham's group when
>they visited north.  One thing that struck me was how well the interpreter
>translated very difficult theological discussion on real-time basis
>(at Kim-Il-Sung college, translator was an American).  I do not know
>what the translator's background was but, at least it gives hint that
>such thing is possible.

Did they give the name of the translator?  One of Billy Graham's
relatives was an American missionary to Korea when I lived there, and
may still be.  I don't believe that she was born in Korea, but many
American missionaries to Korea were, and they speak both Korean and
English as native tongues.

-- 
Douglas Harper | harper@oracorp.com | +1 (607) 277-2020
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korea
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:32:43 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Sep28.224516.6862@oracle.us.oracle.com> jnlee@uucp (John Lee) writes:
>The real importance of Korean language skills emerged as Korea is 
>becomming a high tech oriented country, and many joint venture development
>work is going on between US and Korea.

In other words, there was monetary award involved in speaking Korean.  This
is an excellent motivation to learn any language, whether it is your mother
togue or not.

>  In a previous company I've worked
>in, I was only one who could read write and speak Korean, and when Korean
>high tech market started to boom, I was given an opportunities to travel
>to Korea for the company. As I was presenting talks in seminars  or
>holding classes for small groups of Korean high tech people, I was kicking 
>myself for not having listened to my parents and learned more Korean.     
>It was just fortunate that most Koreans there went to school in US and
>did not mine me spotly using English.

Good for you!  I have always had an interest in languages, I
read/write/speak a few languages (all imperfect to a varying degree).
However, my career and my language are yet to find any common ground.  I
guess if I was in finance or marketing it would have been easier.

>As a owner of perfect hind sight, I want my two children to be able to
>speak Korean - if not for any illusive idealogy, then to enhence 
>opportunities in life.  

Yes!  I think the prestige of the Korean language will grow with the
economic power of Korea.  As you said, if not for anything else, new
generation Koreans may be highly motivated to learn the language for the
most capitalistic and selfish reason of them all... MONEY!

So, creating high-paying jobs for bilinguals may be much more effective
than lecturing for hours about the importance of heritage and culture.

>John R. Lee (Jong-Rim Lee)

James H. Choi  (hyung-joon Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean