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Last weekend, I was thinkin' 'bout  how easy  it would  be to  come up with
rules for  a  wrestling  drinking game  (along the  lines of  the Star Trek
drinking game where you take a drink each time McCoy says  "He's dead Jim",
etc).

While watching one of the wrestling programs (either live or on tape), each
person picks one of the announcers, and has to  drink whenever  they do one
of the following signature "moves":

Larry Z:
Any time he mentions the ozone layer
Any time he mentions George Bush
Any time he mentions Clinton (double drink if he says "taxes")
Any time he mentions the Gulf War
Any time he mentions Somalia

Michael Hayes:
Any time it looks like he's trying to flick a booger off his hand
Any time he starts reliving Freebird glory
Any time he complains about a wrestler's music or dancing

Jim Ross:
Any time he goes into hysterics over something you saw coming a mile away
Any time he mentions a football (double drink if it's pro-football)
Any time he rolls his eyes
Any time he mentions another federation (2 drinks if it's North American)
Any time he mentions a wrestler that doesn't work for WCW anymore

Tony S:
Any time he looks like the smell of the interviewer is reeeally getting to him
Any time he's caught looking at Missy Hyatt's chest
Any time he forgets to go into hysterics over a high spot cuz he's talking

Bob Caudle:
Any time it takes him more than two minutes to get a single sentence out
Any time he loses his train of thought
Any time he goes off on a tangent that has nothing to do with wrestling

Gordon Solie:
Any time he says "indeed"
Any time he invents a new word (double drink if you find it in the dictionary)

Bobby Heenen:
Any time he says something that has a double meaning
Any time he mentions a weight problem
Any time he mentions his wealth or miser-ness

G Monsoon:
Any time he says "will you stop"
Any time he makes up a new name for a move
Any time he mentions someone's relative (two drinks if it's Heenen's mother)

(everybody drinks if any of the following happen):
Someone says "literally" when they really mean "figuratively"
Any time the ref has to work extra hard to miss seeing something
Any time there's a run-in (two drinks if it's during an interview)
Any time there's a major upset (not including DQs)
Someone misses a finisher (2 drinks if the play-by-play guy covers up)

(feel free to add to this list)

                --Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer     Quayle/Limbeau '96
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: Ramblings
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution:  world
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:23:47 GMT

In article <9040@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> zell@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Adam W. Zell) writes:
#
#Worst comeback of the year award: hands down to Bob Backlund.  Looking as
#mongoloid as ever, he is as bad as the Buddy Rodgers-Ric Flair "Nature Boy"
#debacle.
#
#How did Sting beat Vader at the Starrcade?  With the scorpion or by 
#pinfall?  In the clips shown on TBS, Sting actually looked like he 
#worked.  The superplex of Vader was nice.

Vader tried a splash off the rope and (This Is) Sting caught him and
turned it into a power slam. At least that how it was supposed to end.
In reality, Vader and Sting didn't quite hook up and it ended up looking
like Vader did a flip off the top rope and Sting just made the motions
of catching Vader and power slamming him.

Regardless of the semi-bothced ending, I was impressed with the
match. I thought Sting worked hard and I was pleased to see Sting try
new moves. As usual, Vader worked hard and put on a great show.

#
#Will Flair's career ever be the same after a year in the WWF jobbing for
#BBD, Savage and Hart?  Will he be able to reach his past level, like at the
#"I Quit" Terry Funk match after this?

Flair doesn't rely on his "won-loss" record to generate heat for
matches. Rather, he is one of the few wrestlers who, regardless of 
recent performance, can generate heat for a match. Nobody gives 
interviews like Flair does. And very few can work a match like
Flair can. If booked with the right opponent, Flair is still 
capable of working a match that equals the "I Quit" match he and
Funk had.

-- 
Cal...
                                    "Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."
 jewell@Data-IO.COM
 ...!uunet!pilchuck!jewell
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From: duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan)
Subject: Re: [WCW] What's with the Tex fans?
Reply-To: duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:30:17 GMT

In article <9301110559.AA11359@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
>
>I realize it's a bunch of the non-marks rooting for the 
>glorified jobber team of Tex Slashinger and Shanghai Pierce
>just for fun, but why did they single out Tex (sure confused
>Rude a few weeks ago, and they had a huge "TEX" sign for this
>past Saturday's show)?  There aren't any rspw-ers involved
>in this, are there?

Uh, no.  But look out next week, we may bring something tomorrow.
According to Jon 'Shang Hai' Kincaid this sign was 
actually brought by Steven DeTruth (Prazak), who was sitting
a bit out of camera range.  The three letters were then passed down
to willing fans who were more visible.

-rick

"Random acts of violence just don't do it for me anymore.  Call it 
 maturity.  Bang!  Bang!  Heh, heh." - Cactus Jack, WCW Saturday Night 07/04/92
Rick Duggan - duggan@cc.gatech.edu
From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WCW Hotline 1/9/93
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:06:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


On WCW Saturday Night, Jim Ross said that there was on update on
"Nature Boy" Ric Flair on the hotline.  I couldn't resist calling,
so since I wasted my money on it I thought I'd share what I'd heard.

o Jim Ross claimed he did not know whether or not Ric Flair was coming
  back to WCW, but he said a Charlette (sp?), NC, newspaper printed
  a story saying Flair was definitely on his way back.  Could Flair
  possibly make an appearance at the upcoming Clash?:  "I suppose it's
  possible, but not very likely."

o Ross said that WCW has been hit by injuries lately, but the only new
  one is a back injury that Van Hammer has.  He may or may not wrestle
  at the Clash.  From what JR said, I guess it's something that's bothering
  him on and off.

o This is not really news, but Rude is definitely out of the Clash.  JR
  mentioned that the tournament to pick the number one contender for the
  US title could turn into a tournament for the title itself.  That now
  seems very likely since we have been told that Rude had his injury
  for weeks before Starrcade, which means the tournament was started
  *after* he was injured, which *probably* means it was meant to pick a
  new champ from the start.

o JR announced that Erik Watts had been arrested.  I was thrilled.  Then
  he said that it involved an incident with Arn Anderson.  Oh, it's just
  that angle...too bad.  JR said Bill Watts was very concerned, and
  Erik had been released since his "arrest."

Well, that's all I can remember.  I spent about seven minutes on the
hotline, which will cost me about $7.  I am not pleased with myself.
I kept thinking of this Simpsons episode where Homer calls a hotline
to find out this guy's pick for a football game, and the guy slowly
recites the weather and other details while Homer goes crazy because
all he wants is the guy's pick.  JR tends to ramble, and the majority
of this report is stuff that anyone who watches the TV shows knows.
If you read a group like this, you'll know 95% of the rest.

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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: realism?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:58:46 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-06-93 21:55
J(:From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)

J(:IMHO. It doesn't get any more impressive than seeing Hase (I think)
J(:Northern Lights suplex Big Van Vader. This is on the second RSPW tape
J(:(the one Dave did).

 This is one area where the WCW veers off path. One example would be 
Ricky Steamboat vs Windham. There is no way one can give away fifty 
pounds and be victorious (perhaps "on the street") but not in a Ring 
(boxing included).
 
 Anyone that has wrestled on the amateur level knows that (yup, we've 
all fooled around with the Heavyweight on our Team) and it's like 
wrestling a Pontiac. I'd advise every Professional Organization to 
keep the status quo (read as street smarts) in accordance with some 
semblance of "reality".
 
  Regards
   Marv
 
PS I also think that some WCW wrestlers are "juicing" and it's the
   smaller guys (you'd notice it in a second with the real
   "Heavyweights"). We've all noticed that "Z-Man" has dropped in
    bulk but Shane Douglas appears too thick (talking chest to back)
   in comparison to Steamer and as for Pillman, he's probably 230
   with a severe case of "lazy bowel syndrome".........;-)
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From: hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano)
Subject: Re: Monday Night Raw -- A Short Review
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:43:42 GMT


In article <C0r3Iz.7D7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
(...)
>
>Overall rating: 3/10
>
>Most of that 3 is for the crowd.  That nice "live" feel was definitely
>there, and the smallness of the place made it seem nice and cozy on
>TV, like the old NWA tapings.  The matches were pretty bad, and the
>announcing was just terrible -- let's just say it's pretty pathetic
>when Vince is the best announcer on the team.  The DJ should be fired.
>He's not funny.  They did a routine where he did an impression of Mike
>Tyson.  Ha ha.  It was poorly done.  It was not very topical.  It was
>not funny.  And why did they have to make a big point of sympathizing
>with a convicted rapist (McMahon: "You got a RAWWWW deal!")?  That
>little routine about sums up the level of the announcing in particular
>and the show in general.
>
>I don't understand how people can say "the WWF may not have the best
>wrestling, but it IS **great** entertainment."  Oh, is it?

(...)

Sorry to disagree with you but I thought it was pretty good.  The matches
were fair but better than what we'd usually get and they're live (I think).
The announcers were having fun and I thought it was pretty funny.  The crowd
reaction was real, even the cheers for heels.  I think I saw Max Moon make
a blunder with his fire launcher.  He had his arm up and put it down after
a while right before it went off so he shot it right into his feet instead
of the air.  You probably wouldn't see that in a prerecorded batch.

AS for some of the social type remarks (Tyson, Allen-Farrow,...) the might
have been politically incorrect but I thought they were funny and light 
enough not to be taken seriously at all.

Generally, I actually look forward to these shows instead of not caring that
there was a show on Mondays. Can't wait for next week's steel cage match :) 

----------------------
"I'm here in solitary confinement.  By myself I might add."
							M Tyson?

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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: USA Cutting Back on WWF Coverage?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:47:29 GMT

Keep
In article <C0EEvn.DF4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnst
on) writes:
>
>What time will the Monday night show be aired?  The first half or second
>of the old Prime Time slot?
>
>Tom

 The 9:00 slot. This I got from that great insiders guide to T.V. - T.V. Guide.
;)
                                                    David Kempster
From: lsmith@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: ROYAL RUMBLE PREDICITIONS
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: lsmith@unssun.UUCP (Larry Smith)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <c9uywB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> wolvie@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (christopher motherway) writes:
>ROYAL RUMBLE is taking place in Sacramento, CA on January 24.  Sad, 
>really.  If the WWF REALLY wanted a big PPV audience, he should have it 
>right after the Super Bowl (IMHO).  Anyway, I'm going by the list 
>presented by a fellow BBSer and giving the current Lost Wages odds on who 
>will win the RUMBLE:
>        YOKOZUNA                9-5

 Chris.... I know you got this from a bbs, but I need to post this
before somebody in netland makes a fool of themselves by trying
to place a bet on RR. No, repeat NO sportsbook in Nevada is taking
action on ANY professional wrestling match. The oddsmakers know as
well as you and I do that pro wrestling is a work.

	Now, having said that, let me say that I agree with your
odds, barring a Hogan return, in which case the odds would be

	HULK HOGAN            2-100


Ciao baby


 Just the facts ma'm.....
                         LAPD Sgt. Joe Friday
 Facts? I don't need no stinkin' facts!
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Memory Lane
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:36:53 GMT

I've had some fun over the past few days watching some fairly old wrestling
from England and Calgary.  The best matches from England that I saw
include (from 1980, mostly):
    - Sammy Lee (Satoru Sayama) vs. John "Muscles" England (full match, ***)
    - Young David (Davey Boy Smith) vs. Clive "Iron Fist" Myers (***3/4)
    - Sammy Lee vs. Mark Rocco (full match, ***3/4)
    - Dynamite Kid vs. Mark Rocco from 1981 (full match, ***1/2)
but there were many other matches involving people that would become 
"important" to the business in North America or Japan.  

The Calgary stuff was a trip down memory lane.  I watched this stuff 
religiously when I was growing up and have some great memories of the
shows.  I was amazed at the number of "future stars" that were on a
single episode from Calgary.  For example, consider this episode of 
Calgary Stampede Wrestling from 1979:
    - Jake Roberts vs. Cuban Assassin
    - Interview with Jake Roberts re: defending his North American title
    - "The Incredible Hulk" Jim Neidhart vs. Barabas
    - Interview with John Foley re: Jake Roberts
    - Bruce Hart vs. Dynamite Kid (Bret Hart runs in, post-match interviews)
    - Hercules Ayala vs. Kazuo Sakurada (post-match interviews with John 
       Foley & Jake Roberts)
    - Kiwis: Nick Carter (Butch Miller) & Sweet William (Luke Williams) 
       vs. Bret & Keith Hart (Dynamite Kid runs in)
    - Interview with Keith & Bret Hart
    - Interview with Kiwis & Dynamite Kid

The other episodes I have yet to watch from 1981 and 1982 include wrestlers
like Mike Shaw, David Shults and Davey Boy Smith too.  

Davey Boy Smith was a scrawny little guy in 1980 and only started becoming
muscular in 1982 or so.  It's amazing to think that by 1984 he was blown up
like the incredible hulk.  Kid always had a little bit of muscle on these
shows, but he was leaner than I'd ever seen him (1979?  what would you
expect).  He went to New Japan a fair bit bigger in 1981 and was also 
blown up by 1983-1984.  Mike Shaw (aka Makhan Singh or Norman) was almost
in shape in 1982.  He did great interviews back then too.  Jake Roberts
looked exactly the same physique-wise as he did last year.  Jim Neidhart
was muscular and almost cut.  The interviews in Calgary were very much
unrestrained.  Davey Boy called John Foley a "faggot."  Duke Myers was
attacked from behind in one match and later said he was "jap-attacked."
Ed Whalen tut-tutted Duke for being a but uncouth.

And what ever happened to Robbie Stewart?  This guy was great.  His
mannerisms reminded me a lot of Chris Benoit or the Dynamite Kid.  Does
anybody know what happened to "the kid from Glascow?"

The best part is that the video quality throughout was astoundingly
good+.  What a blast. 

                                                               Herb...
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From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: A Simple Request
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:53:52 GMT

This is a simple request to those hard-working (in the real sense)
souls who post TV, video, and house match reviews. We who are
cable-less and time-strapped owe you big.

When you review matches, please stop going out of you way to
prove what a "smart" fan you are. The highest compliment you can
pay to the wrestlers who sell their moves well is to write about
them as if they were real. Most of the netters won't think you
are a dumb mark fan if you do this, and if they do, fuck 'em.

When you read a match description, you really do appreciate the
selling of the moves more if they are described "realistically."
When my wrestling fan friends and I get together, it is much more
fun to "play the game."

Not to pick on anyone in particular, but the most recent match report
was in Pittsburgh and I will use an example from this. The person
described Yokozuna as delivering his second-rope earthquake and
Bossman laying there afterword for five minutes to sell it.  We
all know that is why he laid there. Why not describe it with
"willing suspension of disbelief?" How about Yokazuna nailed him with
his earthquake and Bossman was out for five minutes?

Of course, this is only for moves that were sold well. If it looked
fake and shitty, say it! When Tito misses his dropkicks by a foot
or more and the guy goes down, tell it like it is! But, when the
wrestlers really show off their talents, pay them the compliment
of "believing," even if it is only for a second.

An analogy is soap operas. Afterall, wrestling is kind of a soap
opera for men. (If you'll forgive the sexist generalization.) When
people talk about their favorite soaps, they don't say "So and so who
plays X acted totally upset that Y wasn't carrying his kid. He pretended
to hit her." They say "Oh my God, X finally found out Y's kid wasn't
his and he whacked her!"

This is not to demean anyone who posts, and as I said earlier, we are
all in your debt. Nor is this to specify anyone. Part of the fun of
wrestling is willing suspension of disbelief and sometimes we get
so caught up in making sure people don't think we are marks that we
lose some of the fun.  Basically we are enjoying fiction and we are
critics of the fiction. Let's not lose the love of the sport that
got us into it to begin with.

Andrew Hall
David Kempster

Ohio State University
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Ass. Lab Supervisor))
Subject: Re: What is a suplex?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:34:08 GMT

>The revised suplex list:
>------------------------
>
>>> Vertical suplex (most common, "textbook")
>>> Snap suplex
>>> Gut wrench
>>> Double underhook (butterfly)
>>> Belly-to-belly
>Belly-to-back (aka back suplex - like Atomic drop, but you fall back)
>German suplex (belly to back straight over head - may be bridge and pin)
>>> Northern Lights suplex (belly to belly into a bridge for a pin)
>>> Inverted suplex (like vertical, but drop on chest rather than back)
>>> Front face suplex
>>   Slingshot suplex 
>>   Fisherman suplex (aka perfectplex)
>    (aka Cradle suplex)
>>   Dragon suplex (start in a full nelson, then do a suplex)
>Running suplex
>Double Armbar Suplex (from behind)
>Double Armbar Suplex (from the front)
>

By the Double Arm Bar Suplex from behind, do you mean the Tiger Suplex?

Also missing:
Saito Suplex (Masa Saito's version of the Belly to Back, currently used
	by Tsuruta and Taue and quite a few other Japanese wrestlers.)
Hammerlock Suplex (Super Strong Machine uses it occasionally)
-- 
The Green Goblin (Dominic Macika)

"Above all else, a god needs compassion"
			-William Shatner as James T. Kirk in
			"Where No Man Has Gone Before"
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Ass. Lab Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Boxing is Fake? (Was Re: How old are you ?)
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:37:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.223357.27694@scifi.uucp> njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
>
>Rec.sport-pro-wrestling was formed because someone cared enough about
>it to conduct a vote on the subject.  (It also helped that the vote
>went on at the same time as rec.sport.soccer, and that the footie
>types were voting for our group just in case theirs didn't make it.
>We were voting yes for their group as well, in case ours didn't make
>it.)  I have no doubt that a revote at this point would succeed
>without a problem.
>

So does anyone actually know who ran the vote for this group?  I would
still like to see the charter...  Anyone know where it can be found?
-- 

Dominic Macika

"Tell me, where do the children play?"
			Cat Stevens
Posted-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:06:19 -0600
Received-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:04:55 CST
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:06:19 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling Relations
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


Every few months when I browse through the wrestling relations posting
I think of another question.  Then I start wondering if it's the same
question I asked the last time.  :-/

1. Are the Dirty Davis brothers related?

2. Are the Rotten brothers related?

Both "brother" teams wrestled in the GWF.

		--Otto "Hack-Man" Heuer

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From: Edward.Starczewski@launchpad.unc.edu (Edward Starczewski)
Subject: Re: Flair WCW 2/15/93
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:33:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.084557.1@woods.ulowell.edu> naults@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Boston Herald for Sunday 1/10/93-Wrestling Column stated
>that Ric Flair's last day with WWF will be February 10th and that
>he's slated to begin working for Watts/WCW Feb. 15th.
>
>			SMN
I don't know if this has been brought up before, but what do you think of the
possibility of Watts and Mcmahon making a deal for Flair/Luger.  Something like
Flair can wrestle in WCW before his WWF contract is up, and Luger (narcissus)
can wrestle in WWF before march -- would make sense given there on this big
Narcissus push presently in the WWF.

Ed Starczewski


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