HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rburrow@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Bob Burrow)
Subject: How can I get two Quantum IDE drives to work together?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:29:05 GMT


My friend gave me a Quantum 40 M IDE harddrive.  I already have a Quantum 
LPS105AT IDE drive.  I tried using both drives with a double cable but
got a 'HDD controller error'.  How can I get these two to work together?
At the very least, does anybody have the fax number or address for 
Quantum.  The fax number I found on wuarchive (408-922-0735) is not 
connected.

Thanks
Bob
-- 
| Bob Burrow                       | Dept. of Chemistry          |
| rburrow@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca | University of Toronto       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal)
Subject: Wanted: 16 bit Proto-cards with bus foundation
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:42:03 GMT

I would like to find a source of 16-bit (AT) full length prototyping

cards which have either the traces and schematic provided, or a fully

wired bus foundation on them. Standard receivers, drivers, simple

address decode, stuff like that, is all that's required.

Thanks if you can help.

 

Regards, Stu Beal, VE3MWM, U009@CS.CCIW.CA,

National Water Research Institute,

Burlington, Ontario, Canada.

 

The Future lies ahead, and behind us lies... lies... lies...
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 486 upgrade for 386 PS/2s
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:52:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Jul30.155233.11086
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866

Last week (I think), someone posted about a no-slot upgrade from 386
to 486 for IBM models 70 and 80.  I received info from the distributor
and the thing looks good!  Some specs:

cost:  $995
how it installs:  pull out your 386 and plug in the 5" by 5" L-shaped
	board.  It's a 486DX/33MHz board.  I have a model P70, and due
	to its compactness, the current board is too thick (1/2") to
	fit in the case - but, they're actively working on an adapter
	to fit the P70.
compatibility:  Xenix 386, Windows and OS/2.  Runs all software incl.
	QEMM and other mem. managers.
Others:  DX2 upgradeable!!!!!  No drivers to load or utilities
	required for installation and operation.

Sold by Sigma Data, P.O Box 1790, New London, NH 03257
(800) 446-4525.

[I don't work for the company, etc..etc..  just excited about the
prospects of this upgrade]



-- 
Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu
Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391
When asked his position on euthanasia, our local state rep. responded:
"I support youth all over the world."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: AMD 386: COMPATIBLE W INTEL CHIP?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:57:30 GMT

In article <3551@cs.rit.edu> cdw3455@cs.rit.edu (Craig D Woodward) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.163517.17632@lgc.com>, mcm@zycor.lgc.com () writes:
> >I would like to buy an AMD 386 computer. 
> >I am concerned about whether the chip
> >Advanced Micro Devices uses in this 
> >machine is compatible with the Intel chip.
> >
> >Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >mcm@zycor.lgc.com
> 
> I have had an AMD386-40 for about 8 months now and have had no problem.
> Every program I have ever run on the machine in question has reported
> and Intel CPU and and Intel Math-co (The math-co has the Intel logo on it).
> 

The 386/40 is a *great* CPU. It has the same speed as a 486/25 and is about
half the price. No co-pro? Most people have absolutely no use for one anyway.
I don't do CAD or monster spreadsheets. I run my ray traces over night like
any sensible person.
 
The 386/40 is not only totally compatible - it's better than any Intel 386
chip because it is faster. The Intel 486/33 is better, but the
price/performance ratio just wasn't there for me. With a 16-bit I/O bus, a lot
- if not most - of the 486/33's cycles are wasted anyway.
 
Steve
-- 
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | "But the glory kept shining
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  and bright in my eyes, 
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            |  And the stars going round in 
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       |  my head." R. L. S.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: S3 Video Cards (Stealth, F1280...) SLOW?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:36:44 GMT

dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com (Danny Low) writes:

>>(Paul A Prior) 
>>Ok, I know that S3 based cards slow down under dos text based plain
>>VGA type stuff.  However, I don't need the "dir" command to speed by
>>any faster than it already does!  Therefore my question is, so what?
>>Does this affect things run under dos such as flight simulators (falcon
>>3.0!) where frame rate is important?

>No. The software must know about the special hardware features in
>the S3 chips to get the improved graphics performance. Neither Falcon
>nor any other game knows about these features. Windows based games
>may use these features as graphics I/O is handled by the Windows
>drivers and all S3 cards come with drivers that know about the S3
>special features.

The other half of the answer is "yes".  The S3 based cards usually
emulate standard VGA displays outside of windows, and most of them
are slower than a standard VGA card in those modes.  So they may well
affect DOS programs that require fast updates adversely.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: edd151s@nella10.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr I.P. Rayner)
Subject: Re: One way modem?!?!?!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:58:42 GMT

grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba) writes:

>About it not giving you an OK, CONNECT, etc. reply, do you have the result
>code set to 1 (ATV1)?

And about the modem not echoing commands, that would be ATE1 (i think).

Ivan Rayner

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.hardware
From: anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
Subject: TVM vs. Goldstar (??)
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:59:59 GMT

Hi all!!

I am just about to buy a brand new system:
386-33Mhz everything included (monitor, mouse, etc)

Now, the question is:

The system comes with an 14" TVM SVGA 1024x768, .28ms

and I was wondering about the TVM brand. Is it good?
How would you rate it against a Goldstar or AAmazing one? (same
specs.)

Any comment would be greatly appreciated!!

-Anibal Jodrcovsky
 anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca

Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:20331 comp.unix.sysv386:12460 comp.periphs:1027
From: ccusekh@prism.gatech.EDU (Kevin Hodge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.periphs
Subject: Re: Ultrastor: BBS number??
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:32:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bryqv0.BnB@obiwan.uucp> bob@obiwan.uucp (Bob Willcox) writes:
>The subject says it all.  I am looking for a BBS phone number for
>the Ultrastor Corporation (if they have one).  If you know it,
>plese email.
 
The numbers for UltraStor are:

SALES        (714) 581-4100
TECH SUPPORT (510) 623-8955
BBS          (510) 623-9091   8 data bits, 1 stop bit, and no parity

  

-- 
Kevin A. Hodge                |   "I'll show you a life of the mind!"
Engineering Psychology        |            Madman Mundt
Georgia Tech                  |
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Aligning 3.5" disk drive
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:51:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: iecc.1992Jul31.045152.20021
Organization: I.E.C.C.

My 3.5 inch 1.44M disk drive is getting lots of read errors on disks that
used to read OK, which suggests to me that the heads need aligning.

Is there some easy way to do this myself?  I have the impression of having
seen kits with a combo of software and a special alignment disk.  I'm
pretty handy with a screwdriver but don't have an oscilloscope.

-- 
John R. Levine, IECC, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869
johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {ima|spdcc|world}!iecc!johnl
Re-elect Vice President Potatoe-Head !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.hardware
From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: TVM vs. Goldstar (??)
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:12:26 GMT

anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky) writes:
: 
: The system comes with an 14" TVM SVGA 1024x768, .28ms
: 
: and I was wondering about the TVM brand. Is it good?
: How would you rate it against a Goldstar or AAmazing one? (same
: specs.)

Well i've used a TVM MD-11 (1024*768*16 MAX), for the last 5-6 years and
the only problem i've had is the text going yellow sfor long periods of
time. It's an on and off thing but it doesn't bother me that much. One
thing i like about this TVM is the 'TV-MOUSE' which enables me to use it
like a television. All you need it the 'TV-MOUSE' and the video recorder
to act as a tuner (can also play videos..)

Overall, good quality monitors.

Ta

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
 
   
   

-- 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: feg@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (forrest.e.gehrke)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Colorado Tape drive.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:08:25 GMT

In article <1682FD27A.DIXONW@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu> DIXONW@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu (Bill Dixon) writes:
> 
>    I, too, am considering purchase of a tape drive and had wondered how
>the floppy connections worked. Thanks for clearing this up. One further
>question, though: does this procedure degrade the performance of the
>floppy drives in any noticeable way?
>- - - -

Only if you attempt to tape a floppy diskette; then its slower than
taping a hard drive.  But why would anyone want to do this?

Forrest Gehrke feg@dodger.att.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Subject: Re: "flicker" and monitors
Keywords: flicker, color monotors, beats
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:33:53 GMT

ken@tlc-486.clemson.edu (Ken Bauman) writes:

...
>I think it quite likely that you are seeing a beating effect from the 60 Hz 
>of fluorescent lights in the store and the refresh frequency of the 
>monitors. 
...
Well I thought of that, so I persuaded the shop to let me switch off the
fluorescents, and it did not seem to change the effect. But it did look
like some kind of beating to me. Yes, I really see it chiefly with very 
light colors ( the white of the Windows desktop is a good one), and it
is more obvious out of the side of my eye.
The thing is that a 60 Hz refresh rate should be pleanty to be
invisible- after all movies go at a refresh rate of about 30Hz, and the
"phosphor" is extremely fast ( Ie, the screen really goes completely
dark between frames with no phosphor persistence) and that does not
drive one crazy with flicker.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal)
Subject: Re: Prototyping boards
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:54:55 GMT
Keywords: prototyping

In article <claude.712412929@bauv106> claude@bauv106.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Claude Frantz (RZ)) writes:
>Hello !
>
>Can you recommand me a good prototyping board for AT bus, having
>the basic interfacing hardware on board.
>
I asked basically the same question. Here are some responses:
 
The following directed me to JDR as follows-
 
From: Andrew Wickiser <wickiser@andy.bgsu.edu>
From: schen@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: Terry Chlebek <OZYMANDIAS@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
 
Re. your post about prototype cards, JDR Microdevices offers one, the
JDR-PR10 for #34.95.  The optional parts kit for decode is $12.95. 
Buffering and decode traces are built into the card.  I used the 8-bit
version of the same card and it worked out well for me.  
 
     JDR Microdevices
     2233 Samaritan Drive
     San Jose, CA  95124
     408-559-1200
     800-538-5000
 
Call 1-800-538-5002 JDR Microdevices, ask for a catalog.
or (800)538-5005 (FAX).
 
and-
From: dougm@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Doug Mcintyre)
 
JDR Makes their own prototype card, but its not full length (do you really
want a foot and a half card (or whatever a full* length card is)? Otherwise
you can buy expensive ones from Vector and other companies that make
prototyping stuff, (Digi-Key carries them) but they are quite expensive for
bare boards. The basics are simple actually, a buffer and an 8-bit compariter
chip for address, and a couple transceivers for the data.
 
and-
From: tgreen@iastate.edu
 
I think Jameco Electronics has something like this,
though I'm not sure if its 16bit.  their number
is (800) 831-4242
 
I ordered one over the phone from JDR but it's not here yet.
 
Regards, Stu Beal, VE3MWM, U009@CS.CCIW.CA,
National Water Research Institute,
Burlington, Ontario, Canada.
 
The Future lies ahead, and behind us lies... lies... lies...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.os2.misc
From: mendi@netcom.com (Greg Mendizabal)
Subject: Re: Can I mix 70ns SIMMS with 80ns SIMMS
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:53:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

darnold@felix.filenet.com (Dave Arnold) writes:
>My Northgate elagance currently has 4MB of 80 nanosecond RAM (I determined
>this by looking at the chips which have a -8 suffix).  I am having trouble
>finding 80 nanosecond chips.  Can I safely mix 80ns chips with 70ns chips
>for use with OS/2?  I was told that OS/2 is very sesitive to memory.

Well.......I have an Everex STEP 386/20 and I had 70-80's mixed and the GA
version seemed to come down with TRAP 000e *all* the time.  I had a helluva
time installing OS/2 too.  I then replaced the 70's with 80's and the install
went w/o a hitch and it ran non stop for a week or so.

Then Wolf 3D hosed OS/2 when it crashed while I was trying to run it under
"real" DOS.  Now, even w/formatting the old partition I can't get OS/2
to install without dying with a random lockup.

So.......I believe the 70's did cause problems but I think I have *other*
problems in my system besides the RAM.

>Dave Arnold - KD6IFY    
>Internet: darnold@filenet.com    UUCP: uunet!felix!darnold
>--- The opinions expressed above are only mine, not FileNet's

GRiM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jburney@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: How to hook up VGA card to TV?
Summary: Hooking up a vga card to a tv set
Keywords: tv, vga
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:02:34 GMT

With 17"+ monitors being so expensive, it seems that a large
screen tv would be good enough for game play resolution and much
cheaper/more versatile.  Can this be done?  What's required?

Thanks (please e-mail, I'll summarize if...)

--
Jeff Burney                     | Icky, Icky, Icky, Icky, Ptang,
jburney@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov   | Loomfong, Zowzing.
SES, Inc.  301-439-6617         |		- Holy Grail
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center|
From: rpreston@BBN.COM (Roger M. Preston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Opinions wanted on Gateway
Keywords: Gateway, opinions
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:43:12 GMT
Reply-To: rpreston@BBN.COM (Roger M. Preston)
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Hi,

I've been perusing this newsgroup for a few days, so I hope that my question
is not out of line (if it is, please ignore it).  I am considering buying
a 486 from Gateway and would like to solicit opinions on Gateway's trustworthi-
ness and reliablity.  Are they a good company to deal with?  Do they deliver
what they promise?   Are their products reliable?  Do they charge extra for
credit card customers?  How long do they take to deliver a system?

I am aware of their recent Telepath (sp?) modem/fax fiasco, but I'm getting
conflicting opinions from this newsgroup on how well they handled it.

Any and all opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail directly
to me, unless you feel more comfortable posting to the net.  Thank you.

-rmp 


-rmp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bfschler@puma.cat.syr.edu (Barry Schlereth)
Subject: Re: 14.4 modems  (and more)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:45:49 EDT

In article <1992Jul27.181226.22376@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bp112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven C. Lin) writes:
>
> 
>> I am considering buying a cheap ($250-350) modem.  What is
>> the significance of the following?:
>> 
>>   MNP 4 vs 5?
>>   .......
>>   Class of Fax?
>> Also, any remarks about the following brand names?:
>> 
>>   Zoom?
>>   Infotel?
>>   Lightning Comm.?
>>   April?
>>   Spirit?
>
>If I could add one, Practical Peripherals seems to me to be
>alright.  .........
>

Does anyone have experience with the Cardinal 14.4 modem ?

Thanks.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner)
Subject: Re: Help Low Level Format on IBM ps/2
Keywords: low level format ps/2
Organization: San Jose State University, Math & CS
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.183531.6940@uvm.edu> vincent@uvm.edu (Jim J Vincent) writes:
>From: vincent@uvm.edu (Jim J Vincent)
>Subject: Help Low Level Format on IBM ps/2
>Keywords: low level format ps/2
>Date: 21 Jul 92 18:35:31 GMT

>Can anyone tell me how to perform a low level format on an IBM PS/2
>model 30, both the original and the 286 versions? Both have a 20M
>drive that came standard with the system. Using debug g=C800:5 does
>not work. The starter disk has a format menu selection but it only
>allows formatting of a floppy (as far as I can tell). Has anyone ever
>done this? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>E-mail is especially appreciated.

>                                Thanks,
>                                Jim Vincent
>                                vincent@orville.psu.edu

When you boot off the Reference Disk, there is a second (semi-hidden)
menu.  You access it by doing something like Shift-A or Ctrl-A (ditched
all the PS/2's, so forget which of the two it is).  This second
menu includes low-level format routines, as well as some diagnostics.
From: amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486-33 prices
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


	Interesting to note that Cyrix's 486 chip replacement set claims
close proformance to swapping motherboards. The chips, the 486DLC &
87DLC (math coprocessor part) fit right in a 386/387 sockets. My question
is if anyone's tried this - certainly at the $159 price (for 33 Mhz version)
this is very good deal!

					--> Mike
From: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Nanao F550i Convergence Question
Date: 29 Jul 1992 07:41:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

I looked at a 550 today that I was considering purchasing.  However, it had
a 1 pixel convergence error in the top left and bottom right corners.  Also,
it seemed as if the right side of the screen was higher than the left.  The
salesman said he'll be getting another one in soon; I will wait to see that
one.

My question is, how error free are Nanao 550's?  Are these errors typical
such that the chances of a better unit are low?  If I get one, it seems I
would have to send it to Southern California for service (the store I buy 
it at will pay the expense, it's the time I'm worried about.)  Can the factory
or I fix such errors?  (Phew--enough questions.)

Thanks in advance for any help.

Dan
-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Rosler                       Internet: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Because you never get a third chance to make a second impression.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: TW.P62@isumvs.iastate.edu 
Subject: Help!!! Microway FASTCache/SX board
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:16:50 GMT

I put a FASTCache/386SX plus 25Mz board with a coprocessor in a Zenith
Model 286 which had a coprocessor.  The vendor (Microway) said it was
fully compatible.  I just had to replace the 286 chip, install a board
in an expansion board, join them with a supplied cable connector, run
a silly set up program and VIOLA!  386 power on.   Well there is a problem.
The problem has me and the guys at MicroWay are buffled.
I had 640 base RAM and 1 Meg extended and I put 4 Meg SIMMs in the
FASTCache board.  Problem is that the Monitor Program (set up) keep
giving me erros.  For example, if I set up expansion memory  with
5120 Kb (what it should be) it yells me that there are more than
7000! Next time I reboot gives me a different error.  The switches
are OK, we put new Zenith Monitor and Keyboard ROM BIOS, according to
Microway everything should be OK.  And it is sometimes, but some applications
"hang up" and when I reboot I get erros again.
Does someone have any experience with this?  Is there any jumper or
switch that I should change and the guys at Microway forgot or don't
know?  Remember, it's a 25Mz board and a Z-286, not a Z-248.
         Antonio
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: meharp01@vlsi.louisville.edu (Michael Harpe)
Subject: CompuAdd dual floppy drive question
Organization: University of Louisville
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:16:51 GMT

We have been receiving CompuAdd 333's and 433's with those new 5/14"
form factor dual floppy drives.  They only have one cable running to them.
Since I have no experience with these drives and the manual is no help, can
someone tell me how to strap these drives such that the 3 1/2" drive is the
A drive?

Thanks!
Mike Harpe
University of Louisville


-- 
---------------------------------------
"I will not barf unless i'm sick"
                                   - A Chalkboard from "The Simpsons"
From: rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 4M SIMMS prices
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:57:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.185258.7070@spectra.com>, johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) writes...
>The Chip Merchant here in San Diego has 4M x 8 80ns SIMMS for $99.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Keep in mind that these are designed for a MAC.  There are a few
PC mother boards I've heard prople claim use them, but I've never actually
seen one.

Rod Schaffter                                 	
Laboratory for Molecular Structure and Bonding	|Who cares if windows is or 
Texas A&M University Dept. of Chemistry		|isn't an opperating system-
Bitnet:   SCHAFFTER@TAMLMSB			|it barely operates at all!
INTERNET: SCHAFFTER@LMSBVX.TAMU.EDU		|
	"Standard Disclaimer, etc."		|An OOPerating system, maybe?