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From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Leaking Dog
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:14:41 GMT

In <BxM4F4.9Jn@mail.boi.hp.com> kmoser@mail.boi.hp.com (Kathy_Moser) writes:

>: My Raven had this problem, for exactly the reasons Kathy stated.  My vet
>: put Raven on Dexatrim.  The chemical in it that (supposedly) eases hunger
>: in humans actually causes a dog's urethral muscles to constrict.  Some
>: dogs only needs a pill a couple of times a week, but Rave needs one at
>: least 5 days a week.  But it has stopped the leaking, and she's kept
>: her girlish figure :-) !  It's also a lot cheaper than DES.

>I question the "cheaper than DES" part.  From our vet DES is about 50 cents
>a pill.  We started at one every 4 days for a cost of about $3.50 per month.
>We are now down to two a month.  The vet's lab only needs one a month.  After
>being on DES awhile, some dogs can be weaned altogether.  How cheap is
>Dexatrim at 5 pills per week?

>					Kathy Moser

I'm posting this only because replying by mail doesn't always seem to work
for me.  I get Dexatrim for about $7.80 for 40 pills at Walmart.  That's
about 19 cents a pill.  Normally, the vet said, dogs only need 1 or 2 a
week, depending on the severity of the problem.  I found that if I miss
two days in a row, she starts to leak again.  Less than $1 a week  didn't
seem like much to pay, but I will check with my vet about DES.  If we can
fix the problem and eventually wean her, that would be great.  Thanks for
the advice.  I learn a lot from this group.

Shari (Raven's Mom) Bernhard
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Question about Schutzhund Training
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:18:48 GMT

In article <lfarrell.2.722123361@lfarrell.src.utah.edu> lfarrell@
lfarrell.src.utah.edu (Laura Farrell) writes:>From: lfarrell@lfarrell.src.
utah.edu (Laura Farrell)>Subject: Schutzhund Training
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:49:21 GMT

[Stuff deleted about bulldog]

>What are some opinions of Schutzhund trained dogs, especially
>regarding their interaction with kids and people in general?

I have a question along this line.  Yesterday, I was talking to an owner
of a doberman puppy with whom she is "doing Shutzhund".  She said that 
she tells people that if they want to come over to her house they better
be prepared for a 5 month old puppy jumping all over them because she's not
reprimanding him or trying to discourage this due to the Shutzhund training.

Is this true?  Does Shutzhund training mean no obedience training?  I get 
the impression she is trying to "let the dog be himself".  Won't she end up
with a monster?

-Chris Rasmussen
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Retrieving the Paper
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:02:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24261
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



It's not for pups before six months, but if you train a forced retrieve,
then you can use it to name things.

It took about two minutes to get Susie to do the right thing for
``go get the paper!'' said at the door.

What I did was,
	1.  Give Susie the paper, and tell her ``Susie, Hold.''
	Then tell her ``You've got the Paper, You've got the Paper.''
	Take the paper, and say Ok!  This establishes a name, and
	that the paper is a thing it's reasonable to hold.

	2.  Put the paper about six feet away, and command ``Susie,
	Fetch!''  It's a forced retrieve, so she does.  I take it and
	say, ``You got the Paper!''

	3.  Put the paper at the end of the driveway, and say ``Susie,
	go get the Paper!''  It's no longer a command because the
	words are all optional, but she goes and gets it.  I mean,
	I wouldn't correct her if she didn't, just encourage her,
	say with a sloppy ``Go Out'' signal, because I don't want
	her to get the paper in violation of, for example,
	the no-going-in-the-street rule.

	4.  Send her for the paper from the door of the house, ``Susie
	go get the paper!''  She dashes out and retrieves it.

So I've used the forced retrieve as a base to expand our repertiore,
even when I'm not teaching a command.  She sees this as optional,
like telling her to ``Go get your soccer ball!''  She always does,
but there's no correction if she doesn't.

The forced retrieve is in Koehler's Open book, and is a base for all
kinds of other things.  You probably need to use Koehler's novice
method too if you're going to use it, and you have to wait till 6 months
age before you start that.

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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Deafness and Dalmatians
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:55:30 GMT

> Michael Latash writes:
> Dalmatians ARE more prone than most to a urological
> syndrome that causes the urea in urine to crystallize.  This has
> traditional-
> ly been a genetic problem with this breed until one enterprising and astute
> breeder whose name escapes me now decided to bring in Pointer blood into
> the
> breed.  The urological problem is due to two recessive alleles (for those
> of
> you who know a little genetics), and within a few generations, this breeder
> was
> able to get rid of this trait.  After that, he began the long and arduous
> task
> of "cleaning" out the Pointer blood from his dogs, and, after many years,
> was
> finally able to put his dogs back into the stud books.  He got rid of the
> genetic defect.


I've heard about this before and I thought it was a _great_ idea...but I also
heard that there were many opposed to it. I'd be interested in hearing the
reasons people would be against such a thing...is it just prejudice agaist
mixing breeds or is there more to it than that?

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Pride,where wit fails,steps in to our defense,
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca   And fills up all the mighty void of sense.
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca                 - from Alexander Pope's
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *                         An Essay On Criticism
From: st1pt@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: a story about George
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1pt@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <1992Nov22.074340.22485@pony.Ingres.COM>, jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:

....story about George at the shelter deleted...

>I was in the grooming room, removing fleas from three kittens, when
>volunteer opened the door and said "did you know George is being
>adopted?"
>
>I stuffed the kittens into the carrier and ran to the front office.
>George was there, waiting as the adoption paperwork got filled out.
>
>I made the new owner's acquaintance, told him what I had learned about
>George.  We talked a while.  I learned that he was looking for a dog
>like George, an older dog, he's an older guy.  He gave me his name and
>address so I can come visit George.  We walked out to the parking lot.
>The car was a Pinto wagon.  I opened the door, front passenger side.
>George jumped in, moved to the back.
>
>-- Jon
>--
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  


<sniff>

Now everybody KNOWS I'm weird... crying on my terminal!

Great story.  It sounds like George found the perfect home.
I'm glad you took such an interest in him. I'm sure you were
excited to see him go home!

--
Amy Shinpaugh
st1pt@jetson.uh.edu
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Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:15:08 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: DOG IS SICK
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  Your old dog sounds very sick.  It's probably cancer.  Maybe
advanced liver disease.  You can consider putting the dog down,
although it doesn't sound like he is going to live much longer on his
own.
--- FMail 0.92
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: AWP00JTF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Falk, K-9 cop, shot & lives
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:03:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.145332.27317@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
nrudins@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins Cray Operations) writes:
 
>In article <1ej23vINNf21@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>>Speaking of this, has anyone seen the drug dog trading cards that are in
>>Milk Bone boxes?  I got a box of milk bones the other day and there were
>>two of these cards inside.  They have pictures of dogs who have been highly
>>successful in sniffing out drugs.  They include a picture of the dog, some
>>"stats" (breed, sex, age, weight) plus their total seizure amount.  Pretty
>>neat!  Romeo was impressed.  I read him the cards and showed him the pictures.
>>He liked them so much he tried to eat them!  8-)
>>
>>-Robin
>Yes, I've seen them.  I have four of these cards so far.  I showed them to
>my two dogs (peke/pug mix--littermates).  They didn't show as much
>enthusiasm as your Romeo did.  I asked them when they're going to do
>something worthy of having their pictures on cards.  They think they
>already are deserving of this.
>
>Nancy
>
I too, showed them to my dobe/lab Mister, aka Moo.  He was not
impressed - Moo doesn't think anyone, especially a dog, should
have to work and I think he thinks that seeing a working dog
will give me ideas that might intefere with his favorite
pastimes, eating, sleeping and chewing his bones and hiding his
bones (for some reason he thinks I  want them).  Oh, when he
feels like it and has had a good nap, he sometimes humors me
with a game of Tug, or if I am really lucky, Frisbee.  I toss
the frisbee, Moo catches it and I chase him all around the yard
trying to get it back.  Who, me....work?   That's your job!
To keep me in Milk Bones and Rawhides.......
 
Judy
>--
>Nancy Rudins    nrudins@ncsa.uiuc.edu
>
>"WhenIGetToTheBottomIGoBackToTheTopOfTheSlideAndIStopAndITurnAndIGoForARide
>ThenIGetToTheBottomAndISeeYouAgaaaaaaaaaain!!!"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: why are so many dalmations deaf?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:08:54 GMT

> U30993@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> Nor does it explain why quite a few Siamese cats are also deaf.
> It is possible that the deafness becomes linked with a certain
> desirable characteristic, which is being bred for.  Some have
> indicated that the gene(s) for hearing become paired with
> blue eyes (as in Siamese or White cats) and others that it
> becomes linked with white coats.


It seems there are problems with many types of bad genes becoming paired with
different colours. I breed mice as a hobby with an eye towards developing
more rare colour varieties. I have a male that I think may be what is known
as a 'viable yellow'...more common is a 'lethal yellow' which, obviously,
rarely survives. I think it has something to do with heart problems.

And then there are fawn dobies: I think they are prone to thyroid problems
and heart murmers.

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Pride,where wit fails,steps in to our defense,
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca   And fills up all the mighty void of sense.
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca                 - from Alexander Pope's
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *                         An Essay On Criticism
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kevinf@ecs.comm.mot.com (Kevin Fluharty)
Subject: Not a bird dog
Organization: secure_comm
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:41:44 GMT


1) What dogs are good with other small pets?  LARGE birds to be specific.

Currently, my Moluccan Cockatoo likes to play on the jungle Gym on
top of the bird cage, and occasionally climbs down to swing on the cage door, 
or hop around on the floor, like a 1 1/2 lb Robin (good bladder control :):)  
FWIW, Moluccan's sometimes have screaming fits.   I won't consider getting 
a dog if it would endanger the bird. The Moluccan has "squatter's rights."  
99.44% of the time I'm be there while the bird is out of the cage.  I am 
concerned about the 0.36% of the time....  

Other requirements, in order of priority:

2) Good with children.  I have a 9 year old son, and planning
on having one more child in 3 years.
 
3) Good watchdog, fairly discriminating, which won't yap at trivial
things.  This dog will be kept indoors, except for playtime/exercise/walks
and perhaps running with my wife.

4) A dog that is protective of family members would be a plus,
although I am primarily interested in somone who can sound the alarm 
if needed.

5) Size:  Less than 90 lbs.
                                                                                        
The books I have looked at thus far, indicate that Corgi's, Samoyed's,
Boxer's, and Boston Terrier's might be suitable for requirements 2-5,
although I'm sure there are others.  The back yard is fenced in for 
outdoor playtime, and there's a park nearby.  Both my wife and I have 
time for walks and special grooming needs. So, the real limiting factor 
seems to be the safety of the bird.  It's normal life expectancy is 50 years.
I'd hate to reduce that to 5....

Thank you for any comments/suggestions.

-Kev
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dirty Paws!
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca

ST>What does the net do about dirty paws?
ST>We have a 5.5mo golden that is, and always will be, an indoor dog.
ST>We let her out to take care of business and, depending on the weather, when
ST>let her back in, we have to clean her paws.  Most times, a wipe with a towel
ST>isn't good enough so we carry her to the tub to wash her paws.  This isn't t
ST>much of a problem at 47lbs but I expect her to get bigger.

The do make doggie boots, although I have never tried them. Look in RC
Steele I believe they have some Rain Boots with matching jacket.
I have a friend who has Cardigans and white carpet. The dogs go outside
to do their business and when the come in they stop in the utility room
to have thier feet washed. They know that they can not go anyfarther
without this. She keeps a small pail of water and towels in the utility
room, the dogs dip thier feet in the water and she cleans them. She did
not really train them to do this, just after so many times the dogs
kinda trained themselves. If you fix a routine for the dog, he might
just react the same and you would not have to do any lifting.

Kathleen Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:16:03 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Children and CHOWS
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  Your friends did a very brave and responsible thing.  Perhaps you
think they should have taken a "wait and see" attitiude but I do not
agree.  Nor do I believe they really had the option to palm this
snappy dog off onto some other family.
  I would not like to see my baby's head in a dog's mouth.
--- FMail 0.92
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Was she humping?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:13:20 GMT

In <1992Nov17.165643.14032@u.washington.edu> intrigue@stein.u.washington.edu (Shelley Vogel) writes:

>I have a wonderful Airedale puppy, Morgan, who will be 12 weeks old
>this Friday.  She is a frisky little thing, to put it mildly, but
>she's quite smart and is training beautifully - she already knows
>Sit!  Well, anyway, last night she was getting a little out of hand
>and I was just getting ready to put her away for a "rest" when she
>grabbed my arm, like I have had male dogs do in the past, and my
>SO said, "She's humping you!"  And it sure looked like it to me, too.
>Anyone know what was going on?

I'm sure she was.  Humping is not sex-related, it is dominance
related.  She was trying to tell you that she is the top dog.  At 12
weeks, I wouldn't worry too much about it, it was probably under the
"play" category (where dogs will switch roles back and forth), but
don't let her do it to you (treat it like biting: NO--OFF).

--Cindy


--
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Children and CHOWS
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:04:07 GMT

In <93192@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> bbeason@rcsuna.gmr.com (Breon Beason ) writes:

>I am looking for some advice. I have two adult CHOWS as part of my family.
>One of the dogs has a very nice temperment. The other dog, the alpha male,
>is mean, controllable, but MEAN. My wife is expecting our baby to be born
>within the next few months. She is mighty afraid that the dogs will become
>jealous of the new baby and tear him/her into pieces! Does anyone out there
>in NET land have any experience in this situation? Any stories? Any advice
>would be appreciated. I know one solution would be to get rid of the dogs
>but my family is very attached to them. Please help. Thanks in advance. 

A neighbor of mine had a black Chow.  Su-Lin was about 2 years old when
their baby was born.  After a while I noticed that they walked the baby
around (in a stroller, of course), but no longer walked the dog.  I saw
the neighbor in the supermarket and asked about Su-Lin.  He told me that
she started getting real agressive towards the baby and they couldn't 
trust her.  I was hoping he was going to say that he found a home for her,
but the worst was true.  They tried to find a home for her but Su-Lin would
growl and bare her teeth if anyone approached within 10 feet. They actually
had to have her put down.  I could tell that it was ripping him apart
because Su-Lin was their first-born in a manner of speaking.  I felt so bad
for him because it was a decision that had to be made for the sake of the
baby, but it would be like sacrificing one child for another.  I don't
know what I'd do in his place.  No flames please.  I know he could have
kept the dog isolated until the kid grew up or something, but no one here
is in his situation so we can't judge him.  I do know that he, his wife 
and mother (or in-law, who lives with them) loved that dog.  It must have
hurt really deeply.  I hope your situation is different.  Much luck and
congratulations on your new baby.

Shari (Raven's Mom) Bernhard
From: kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Retrieving the Paper
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:31:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1eh853INNa5k
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oes.orst.edu

I have a Flat Coated Retriever puppy (12 weeks now) that I'd
like to train to bring in the paper. I've been taking her
out on leash every morning, and she attempts to pick up the
paper and return it to the house. Sometimes the paper is too
large for her, or it's folded loosely, and she can't handle it.
On these days I have a smaller paper that I drop for her and
she carries it in instead. She is _really_ proud of herself
when she lets me take the paper from her inside the house. 
She thinks this is all great fun.

I've been working with her on retrieving and she is doing
very well. Is there anything besides what I've been doing
so far that anyone would suggest. When you start training a dog
to retrieve they see the object moving. How do you make the 
the transition to something just sitting out in the yard?

Also, any advice for starting a young dog on Frisbees? 

Kevin Gamble (kgamble@ces.ncsu.edu)
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From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:38:45 GMT

In article <9211181711.AA2079@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:46:01 -0800
>From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
>Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK

> > >  Your old dog sounds very sick.  It's probably cancer.  Maybe
> > >advanced liver disease.  You can consider putting the dog down,
> > >although it doesn't sound like he is going to live much longer on
>his
> > >own.
> > 
> > Geez lady.  You are so full of empathy.  Between this post
> > and the the 
> > postregarding the woman whose dog had kidney failure, you're
> > quite 
> > something -- helpful, kind and considerate. 
> > NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > --- rfmail 1.1.J
> >  * Origin: Orphan Board West  fido <-> unix gateway
> > (1:202/723)
>  Actually, I am quite empathetic.  I just don't believe in giving
>people false hope.  I believe it is far more cruel to lead someone to
>think their fatally ill pets are going to make some miracle recovery. 

>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

Yeah?  Well maybe they don't need to hear it from you -- a total
stranger -- in such a hard, pessimistic way.  You don't know the
whole situation.  "It's probably cancer.  Maybe advanced liver disease."
Lighten up!  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rberry@vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Tic collar
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:35:00 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rberry@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

In <r6z1ad-@rpi.edu> moed@sol.ral.rpi.edu (Michael Moed) writes:
>Our dog has a habit of attracting tics.  Our vet recommended using a tic collar
>called "Preventic".  Does anybody out there have any info (good or bad) about
>the effect of this collar (on dogs and tics)?

Early in the summer, our Sheltie, Bonnie, began picking up ticks when we
took her out to the lot where we're building a house.  She had no fleas,
just ticks, as often as one or two a week.  Our vet was selling the
Preventic collar, so we decided to give it a try.

Note that this is not a repellent, but a poison.  Specifically, an
acaricide, intended to kill ticks and related arachnids for something
like four months.

Anyway, we were extremely impressed.  We did find one more tick just
a day or two after putting the collar on Bonnie, probably before it had
taken effect.  After that, for the rest of the summer, we did not
see another single tick on her.  Bonnie suffered no ill effects.

I'd say give it a try.  (Do remember, though, that this collar contains
 a potent poison, so be careful with it.)

:: Robert Berry
   IBM PRGS Cary
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