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From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: The Foxes and the lion - THE MISSING POINT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:14:10 GMT




In article <BzIL24.Eqs@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivas
an) writes:
>Long long ago, a pack of foxes lived in a cave. Most of them
>were brown. The rest were black.
>
>After the local lion's hunt, they used to go as a whole
>group and managed to chase the lion away. Then had all the prey
>to themselves. There was no shortage of food for the foxes.
>
>Lion was unhappy and all foxes were happy.
>
>Then one day, an old brown fox, remarked, "Look, those black
>foxes are grabbing a larger share than us." Some of the
>foxes, black and brown, indeed were having a larger share.
>
>Some foxes said, "Why bother, we all have enough to eat."
>
>Some others said, "Let us force all the black foxes to marry
>brown foxes, so that all will get mixed, and there will be
>no difference".
>
>The old brown fox said, "If we chase all the black foxes away, we will
>have even more food."
>
>Some were convinced the idea was good, then they created more support
>to their idea, by showing, how several of the ancestors of the
>black foxes, had in fact helped their enemy lion, in its hunt, for which
>the lion had rewarded those few foxes generously. Some others
>were quick to point that the black foxes should have come from
>somewhere else some time.
>
>Anyway, the enemity between the brown and black foxes increased.
>Some black foxes left, taking their 'lion chasing technical know how'
>with them. The other brown and black foxes lost their affinity and
>started thinking, "why should I work hard for the others."
>
>The foxes no longer had sufficient strength as a group to chase the
>lion away. They were forced to settle for the left overs, after the
>lion had its heart's content. Then the brown foxes realized, something had
>to be done, to get some food. So they being the majority, introduced
>a law, according to which the brown foxes would get the first choice
>of the lion's left overs. Whatever still is left could be consumed
>by the black foxes.
>
>Lion was happy and all foxes were unhappy.
>
>K. Srinivasan   at Hydro Quebec  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca



Nice story to picturize the whole issue.  But one main point is missing.


All the foxes actually had the same color.  They somehow believed a fox
called Manu that there are some foxes which are brown and other which are
black.  Since they could not classify them as brown or black in the real
color-sense, they had a general rule, i.e.,  'by birth'



S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Finally, a few words...
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:17:17 GMT

In <2B32653F.16173@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec18.215416.10625@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>
>>    (Note:  Periyar does not fit into this because he was never behind money
>>or vote or power.  He was simply a social reformer who supposed to have fought
>>the caste system but restricted his attack against brahmins because Brahmins
>>were very powerful in his time.  He did not live longer to fight against the
>>other castes now.  I credit him only for his unselfish and tireless hardwork
>>which definitely yielded some good results.  I do not agree with the basis he
>>worked on.  Even he may not have understood that when he started it.
>>      After he died, DK was plainly a political party though it did not contest
>>elections.  They were blindly anti-brahmin and helped the non-Brahmin rich to
>>swindle all the poor people economically)
>>
>>
>>S. Sankarapandi

>	The big blunder Periyar did was to join with Tamil revivalist 
>	group and the power mongering non-Brahmin uppercastes of Justice
>	party. Except the anti-Brahmin stand of the three groups,
>	'Tamil-Saiva' revivalists, Justice party and 'Self-respect'
>	movement, there was nothing common for these groups. And so 
>	ultimately the whole issue of caste and religion was reduced to
>	Brahmin vs non-Brahmin. That may be the reason for his soft stand
>	against the non-brahmin upper castes.

>	I don't agree that he didn't have time to criticize. He might have
>	been handicaped because they became a part his organisation.  

>	In fact, DMK became a more obvious organisation of the non-Brahmin
>	upper caste and Tamil revivalist power group.

>	I am planning to write after sometime on these aspects.

>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 

  many say non brahmin upper caste people dominated DMK politics (aNNa, nedunj-mudaliars) etc
  but i am just wondering how karuNaanidhi-(ambattar) from barber's caste made it.
  it is an irony for me who know very less about this. hope your future article
  answers my questions.

  anbudan.
 kathiravan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sundaram@me.uta.edu (Ravi 'Kity Bum' Sundaram)
Subject: Re: kadi!!
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:13:49 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.045152.8465@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan) writes:


>   "inthak kadi pothumaa, innum konjam vENumaa?"
>
>   Anbudan,
>
>   -Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.

	vENum.

	Some more (old) kadis:

1.	Recently all the roads of the Madras were washed away by floods.
	So the corporation planted banana trees on both sides of the road.
	Why?

	because vaazhai maramthaan thaar podum.
	__________________________________________________________
	
2.	You should never leave a comb lying on the floor. Why?

	adhu kaalai vaari vittudum.
	__________________________________________________________

3.	If the leaning tower of Pisa were in Tokyo what would its name be?

	nikkumo nikkaado
	__________________________________________________________

4.	What is the difference between Gandhi and Lalgudi Jayaraaman?
	
	ivar violinist. avar non-violinist saar!
	__________________________________________________________


	Ravi Sundaram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Finally, a few words...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:38:27 GMT



In article <kat.724719090@reg> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) w
rites:
>In <1992Dec18.215416.10625@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio
-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>>Following are my final comments on the caste thread:
>>======================================================
>
>
>>lacks any understanding.  Reservations and the certificates came into existen
ce
>>only  during the British rule.  BUT THE REAL CULPRIT IS OUR MARRIAGE SYSTEM.
 I
>>AM ASKING FOR A CHALLENGE, HOW MANY OF US ARE READY TO FIGHT AGAINST IT.

>
>   Why don't people lower their castes by marriage if they are bent on it.
>That where they talk about caste again.
>
>
>  People who had advertised in papers without mentioning caste names
>did not get any reply inspite of their qualifications.
>That is where we need somebody who can say "vengkaaya saathi". Kris is
>right about that.
>
>Kathiravan


     What do you want to say ?   I dont need these kind of lame excuses.  I am
just asking whether we are preapred for a change ?  Just giving useless excuses
or blaming the upper castes alone is not sufficient.  I have had these enough.
Contrast to our beliefs, it has materialized.  We were so astonished to receive
many responses for one of my friend's advt.  He got married in that way and 
they live happily in spite of their parents' rejection.

     If you really want to give some useful reasoning, start a separate article
in stead of giving two line responses.


S. Sankarapandi
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Truth is bitter !
Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:09:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

[ Posted for Senthil  - SP ]
_________________________________________________________________________

chitoor@dori.cis.udel.edu (Srikrishnan R. Chitoor) writes:
> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:

>>     Let me give you another example of your posting to show that
>> you are NOT as a-casteist as you claim to be, and do put casteist 
>> connotations to any topic you discuss. When I discussed about
>> Jeya's suggestion to solve NIC problem, you brought in totally 
>> unrelated concepts (of periyar and how he opposed CASTES), though
>> they had nothing to do with the arguments. I never mentioned about
>> CASTES in my post.

      Did you read the news clippings and the editorial on the
"Times of India" daily ( Nov 26,92 ) on Jeya's stand in the NIC
meeting that SP posted earlier? 

>>      Ofcourse, later when you could not present (or did not want
>> to present) any counter arguments, you simply dismissed it as a joke,
>> and even went to the extend of accusing me of ignorance of Indian
>> politics (without giving any reasons for your accusations).

      If you have cared to read the news clippings that SP posted,
 you might have seen the rationality behind the criticisms of Ramesh
 Vaidhyandhan and Sankarapandi on your praises on Jeya's stand in the
 NIC meeting. :-)

      Didn't you make a statement in the net like `Jeyalalitha is a
 *rational* chief-minister' ? Do you seriously believe that Jeya is 
 a *rational* chief-minister ? :-) 

     [ I can guess the answer to this question if I ask the AIADMK
 `manRa maRavarkaL' waiting in the queue for her `aayiraththil oruvan'
 movie wearing her taboo on their right hand near a black hand-towel
 they wear in their hand. :-) ]
    
>>     I am NOT supporting people to send you indecent or impolite mails,
>> but just that you should clean up your house, before complaining
>> about others.

     :-) 

>> Srikrishnan Chitoor.

- Senthil

______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: "Meenakshi S Murali" <p00239@psilink.com>
Subject: Barathi's writings
Organization: Complete Business Solutions Inc.,
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:34:10 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

Yesterday I sent a sample of Barathi's writing (a prose) name 
kARRu.

I am not able to verify if this had been posted.

I am waiting for some response if this had been read by some one for 
I donot want to unnecessarily post this again.


Mean while a short poem from 'paththup pAttu'

This is from 'thirumurugaRRuppadai'

(thiruparangunRam)

ulagam uvappa valan Erpu thiritharu
palar pugazh jnayiRu kadal kaNda angu
O aRa imaikkum sEN viLangu avir oLi
uRunarth thangiya mathan udai nOnthAL
seRunarth thEiththa sel urazh thadakkai
maRu il kaRpin vANuthal kaNavaN -

kArkOL mugantha kamanjOl mAmazhai
vAlpOzh visumbil vaL uRai sidhaRi
thalaippeyal thalieya thaN naRungAnaththu
iruL padap pothuLiya prArai maRa aththu
uruL pOnthaNthAr puraLum mArbinan -

--
M.Murali
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.india
From: kkannan@luke.wsu.edu (Kalyanasundaram Kannan - MME)
Subject: e mail addresses wanted
Originator: kkannan@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:01:51 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sivabala@ohm.ee.washington.edu ( Siva Bala Narayanan 9027936 )
Subject: WANTED: List of 'Minnal Varigal's 1-42
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:05:29 GMT

Can someone mail me a list of minnal varigals that have
appeared so far?

Thanks in advance!
Siva
*****************************************************************************
Siva Bala Narayanan                        
Department of Electrical Engineering              BE MAN AND MAKE MAN
University of Washington                             -Swami Vivekananda
Seattle, WA 98195
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Something to take note of:
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:05:26 GMT

In <of_xYDS00WBM049mM3@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:

>About 2 months back, when 134 Muslims were apparently massacred by LTTE
>cadres in eastern SR, I chose not to comment on it. Not, because I
>didn't have anything to say or that I didn't care. 
>There were two reasons why I kept quiet. First, there are thousands of
>children who are orphans in northeast SR. Many have lost both parents,
>wither to SL armed forces or to IPKF. Others have lost brothers or
>sisters. Worse, many killings took place right infront of their eyes(to
>teach a lesson!). But, the world kept quiet. The silence pervades even
>now. What happened to some of these orphans?... one may ask. Some, who
>have nothing to lose, joined LTTE to seek revenge. Traumautized, made
>numb to wide scath of death and destruction around them, they they went
>to work in the 'killing fields'. Remember Cambodia & the effect of
>constant bombardment of B-52's on people 'down below'?

>So, when I saw picture of little girl(at the massacre site), who has
>lost everything that had a meaning to her life, casting her eyes at the
>burnt home/hut, I thought about the countless others who have already
>become the 'lost kind.' I had nothing to say.
>Secondly, it the masscare was exploited by SL government to get the
>maximum political mileage it can get. It was rather sickening to me.
>Having killed thousands of Tamils in countless unpublished 'little' an


    The govt. headed by premadaasa is capable of killinh N number of
people anytime to discredit his opposition. 


   Kathiravan
From: krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil proverbs - How did they originate?
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:49:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	You brought out a good theme to be dicussed on the net, "origin of     
tamil proverbs". Among Indian languages, the proverbs in tamil are not only 
more in number but also graphic in meaning and terse in form. That brings me
to the oft- repeated proverb you had asked about. "Kazhudhaikku theriyumaa
karpoora vaasanai" .

	The washermen,as you know used donkeys and mules to carry heavy loads
of dirty clothing to be washed on the river bank. The donkeys were used only
for the purpose of carrying used clothes. The donkeys were never allowed to 
roam about freely. So, the only time they came out of their dwelling place 
was to carry the clothes. So, the stinking smell of the dirty clothes is the

only smell it knows. Even if you allow it to smell camphor, the donkey will
not be able to appreciate the good smell of camphor. I think this is the   
origin of that proverb. Any other suggestions welcome. 
         
	Meanwhile,does anyone know the origin of the proverb "Sundaikkai 
kal paNam Somakkooli mukkal paNam".

Venkatesh.


only smell it knows. The "mamis" of those 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: speri@austin.ibm.com (S. Periyasamy)
Subject: Re: "nila" paadalgal.
Originator: speri@nfse.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:27:29 GMT
Reply-To: speri%nfse.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin


In article <1gr3iuINNari@menudo.uh.edu>, aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable) writes:
>  There are lots of tamil movie songs start with "nilavu" and its
> variances.
> [1] nilavE ennidam nerungathE, nee ninaikkum [movie:???]
> [2] nilavu oru peNNagi [movie: ???]

   Movie: Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban

> [3] nilavukku en mEl ennadi kOpam [movie: pOlicekaaran makal]
> [4] maasilla nilave [movie: ???]
> [5] vaaraayO veNNilavE, kElayo [movie: missiamma]
> [6] vaa veNNilaa unnaithane [movie: mella thiranthathu kadhavu]
> [7] vaanilE then nilaa [movie: kaakkich chattai]
> [8] vaan nilaa nilaa [movie: pattinap pravesam]
> [9] nilaak kaayuthu neram nalla [movie: paayum puli]

   This is from the film Sakala kalA vallavan and not Paayum Puli.

> [10] vaanil muzhu madhiyai kandEn [movie: ???]
> [11] veNNilave, veNNilave [movie: vanchik kOttai vaaliban]
>  Feel free to add more.

 [12] nilaak kaayum nEram, saranam [movie: Sembaruththi]
 [13] nilavondru kandEn, un jannalil [movie: Raagankal Maaruvathillai]
            [ BTW, if anybody remembers other songs from this film,
              please post them or email them to me.  -Thanks].
 [14] nilaavE vaa, ullaasam ( <-- not sure) thaa [movie: ??]
 [15] nilavaip paarthu vaanam sonnathu ennaith thodaathE [movie: ??]
 [16] nilavu thoongum nEram, en ninaivu thoongidaathu [movie: Kungumach
                                                           chimil ??]
 [17] nilavennum aadai kondaalO, [movie: ??]

I'm sure there are lot more "nila" songs, add them to the list as you
recollect.

- Peri.

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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 38
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:00:14 GMT
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"Kanavu kaaNum vaazhkai yAvum kalaindhu pOgum kOlangaL
	 Thudupu kooda pAramenRu karaiyai thEdum OdangaL" 

	 From "kanavu kaaNum vazhkkai..."

         Contributed by Sridhar Desikan

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: Fundamental Questions.
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:16:11 GMT

Present Caste based reservation (CBR) in Tamil Nadu:

1. Is backward caste synonymous to 'all except Brahmins'? One gets
that impression as opposition is almost uniquely from Brahmins.

2. How are intercaste marriages treated under the "CBR"?
(i) lower (preferred) of the two
(ii) higher of the two
(iii) father's caste
Any thing other than (i) means they are not serious to remove caste
differences.

3. What is the objection to reservation based on parent's education
and family wealth? The former is very easy to implement.

Please answer only if you are sure. Not much use in expressing
just feelings.

K. Srinivasan  at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.karnataka
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: Tourism in India affected!
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:03:27 GMT

The December is popular tourist time. It is high season for Air fares.
I am told there are lots of cancellations. The previous posting
(including rec.travel also) is a little we can do to save our mother
country. Those from other unaffected areas, should do the same.

I have not seen any ad.s in major newspapers or magazines by the
Government India Tourism Department. We can just do our part.

K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Subject: Re: kadi!!
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:51:52 GMT

Two more `bus' kadis:

-------------------------------------------------------

(Bus staNdil ...)

oruvar: "Enga, ingE nikkiRa bussilE ethu munnaalE pOgum?"

maRRavar: "ella bussum munnaalE thaam pogum!"

-------------------------------------------------------

(Bus stoppil ...)

oruvar: "Enga, 4E poyiduchchaa?"

maRRavar: "enakkuth theriyaathu. naan eNNaleenga!"

-------------------------------------------------------


"inthak kadi pothumaa, innum konjam vENumaa?"

Anbudan,

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 39
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47243
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


 	"kaalai ezhundhavudan naaLaiya kELvi! - adhu
	 kaiyil kidaiththa pinnum thudikkudhu aavi!
   	 En enRa kELvi onRu enRaikkum thangum !
   	 manidhan inba thunbam edhilum kELvi thaan minchum !
   	 inba thunbam edhilum kELvi thaan minchum !! "

 	From  "Ezhu swarangaLukkuL eththanai paadal..."

 	Contributed by Kanmani

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: NOW IT CAN BE TOLD (non. veg.)
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:03:44 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO



Jaya and her earlier position in MGR's AIADMK :)
THE TRUE STORY ON HOW JAYA BECAME KO.PA.SE.

// read with caution, the truth is stranger than fiction
// probably I should say truth is bitter :(



Mr. Puratchi, thideernu oru naaL, makkaLukku Ethaavadhu seiyyanumunnu
mudivu pannaar. Puratchi thalaivar, makkaL thilagam, M G Ramachandran,
Janaki-yOda kaNavan ivangalOda-ellaam `discuss' panni mudivaa
oru "makkaL kuraikaL kEtkum arangam" onnu vaikka mudivu panninaar.

"MakkaL arangam" - idhai eppidi popular pandradhunnu manushanukku
puriyalai. Puratchi, immediattaa, puratchi thalaivi (appO selvi)
jayavai contact panninaar.

Jaya suggested ``why don't say that, we would listen to public orders?''.
MGR: (orE athirchi) Enna! makkaLin aaNaiyaa?
     adhuvum ennaiya, naan yaar theriyumaa (MGRkku kadukgOpam.)

Jaya: OK. OK. "order" vENdaamnaa "public request-kaLai kEppOm
MGR: public requestaaa. chE..chE.. en makkaL, avvaLavu cheeppaa?

Jaya: sari, sari, "public calls". nallA irukkA. idhu thaan ennOda kadaisi idea.
NGR: public calls (puratchi konjam sinthikiraar), public calls, CALL..
     aaahaaaa... romba nallA irukku.
     inimEl Call-kaL thaan namma koLkai, jaya ni ippO
     udanadiya koLkaiyap parappu!!!!!


ippadikku
-blabber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Periyar's movement (was Re: Kuram Narayana on Periyar)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:08:58 GMT

In <1gils1INN8a3@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao) writes:

>In article <2B2CD52A.15225@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>[....]
>|| His movement protested by breaking the idols, snatching the holy threads,
>[....]
>|| There is no instance of any physical attack on Brahmins 

>Attempting to remove the personal possessions of another by force is
>considered by law in most countries to be a voilent crime.

>This remainds me of a joke: A man walking in a dark street came across a
>'begger'. This 'begger' said: "Sir, please give something to a starving man.
>I have nothing in this world except this gun." 


   anybody claiming superiority based on birth and divided society is more
sinful than anubody else.

  Kathiravan - 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.india,soc.culture.tamil