From: reynolds@rightbrain.com (Jack Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: reynolds@rightbrain.com

In article <1992Aug16.12051.19119@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu  
(Johnny Borders) writes:

> >	4 1 MB Ram Simms  $299.00 per set (2 sets = 8 MB)
> 
> Like anyone would really be so stupid as to pay this much for  
memory.
> Let's modify this to the market going rate of $35 per megabyte,  
giving
> a CREDIT on the Mac side of ~$360.

Ya, you're right.  Let's upgrade an 8 meg NeXT machine with third  
party memory.  Credit $780 on the NeXT side.

> This is a top of the line board that will fly past a NeXTdimension.  
For
> equal performance, you can get as good for $2000, or have a card  
with
> similar performance and video in/out (and other goodies)  
capabilities. Some
> integrated boards have good audio, too. Take $500 of that price and  
drop
> the NuVista board. Total credit: $6,460.

Oh, you don't want the 32 bit images with alpha channel or the vidio  
in and out with "S" port?  Let's substitute a Color Turbo and credit  
NeXT $5,125.  Total credit $5,905.

> >		Apple Share 3.0				$995.00
> 
> You're talking graphics workstation, not network server (if so,  
then you're
> going to have to beef up the RAM and disk on your NeXT  
configuration.. need
> more disk on the Quadra too). Total credit: $7,455.

Nobody is going to spend 30k on a publishing workstation and not want  
it to talk on a network.  Total credit $6,900.
> 
> >		Friendly Net Cable adapter			 
> >$195.00
> 
> Are you kidding? APPLE doesn't charge this much for their Ethernet 
> transcievers! I got an Asante FriendlyNet transceiever for a  
(non-educational)
> price of $70. Total credit: $7,580.

I confirmed the Friendly Net Cable adapter pricing with Apple.  Total  
credit $7,097.

> Where have you been? Supra 14.4kbps send/receive fax modem: $385  
with Mac
> hardware handshaking cable and Microphone software. Total credit:  
$10,480.

Those modems don't work across a network.  Total credit $9,993.

> 
> >		QuickMail					 
> >$395.00
> 
> >		Dictionary					 
> >$125.00
> 
> Get Word 5 with dictionary and thesaurus and have a free MS Mail  
3.0 client.
> Price is similar, and you get a nice word processor with it. :)

Purchase PasteUp for $595 from NeXTconnection and get Rulers,  
Portfollio, TypeView and Adobe Typeset #2 for free.

> 
> >Macintosh Quadra 950,  16/230 , 21" Color Display, Keyboard &  
Mouse 
> >	$25,631.00
> 
> Minus Credit of ~$10,480: $15,151.
> 
> >Apple LaserWriter  IIG, 300 dpi Printer			 
	 
> >$4,599.00
> >Tektronics 300 dpi Wax Thermal Transfer Color Printer	 
	 
> >	$9,999.00
> (it's a phase-change printer, not the traditional 'thermal wax  
transfer'
> type)
> >							________
> >				
> >							$40,229.00
> 						Credit: $10,480.00
> 
> 							$29,749.00
> 
> >NeXTdimension Cube Turbo 
> >NeXT List Price
> 
> >Part Number	Item					Price
> 
> >N1000A-4760	NeXT Cube Turbo  16MB, 400HD			 
> >$9,775.00
> >	Includes  2.44 floppy, internal 400MB Hard Drive, 16MB Ram 
> 
> >N7014-2833	NeXTdimention Board with i860 and 16MB		 
> >$4,995.00
> 
> >N4005		MegaPixel 21" Color Display		 
	 
> >$3,495.00
> 
> >N4004		NeXT Sound Box				 
$125.00
> 
> >N8504-4806	NeXT Starting Point Kit			$225.00
> >	Includes NeXT Keyboard and Mouse
> 
> >		Zytell Modem (14.4 fax, 14.4 modem)		 
> >$399.00
> 
> >		NxFax (switching software)			 
> >$125.00
> 
> >NeXTdimention Cube Turbo, 16/400,  21" Color Display, Keyboard &  
> >Mouse	$19,139.00
> >NeXT 400 dpi Laser printer					 
> >$1,795.00
> >NeXT 360 dpi Color Printer					 
> >$3,495.00							 
> >	________
> 
> >							$24,429.00
					Credit		$9,993.00

					Total		$14,436.00
> 
> >In this example, the NeXTdimension Cube Turbo is over 39% less  
than  
> >the Macintosh.  
> 12.1% with my rough adjustments. Mind you, that it depends on why  
you
> selected what you did on the Mac side. NetModem and some  
gold-plated
> fax-modem are not necessary items for a workstation.

The NeXT is over 50% less with "my rough adjustments."

> 
> >With the money you save ($15,800!), you could almost buy 2 more  
NeXT  
> >Color Turbo's with 17" monitors to put on your network.
> 
> With the money you save ($5,320) you can buy a good set of software  
apps on
> either platform.

If you save over 15K buying the NeXT, why are you going to spend the  
money you save on Mac software apps?


> >It looks like Apple's customers are paying too much.
> 
> But THIS Apple customer, by purchasing a number of third-party  
products,
> gets the advantage of being in a highly competitive market, where  
prices
> are frequently slashed by one-third to half in no time after a  
product
> starts shipping,

Not exactly.  THIS Apple customer spent 15k more than he needed to on  
a publishing system and is trying to comfort himself by saying,  
"Maybe Apple will cut their prices one-third to half in the future."

--
Jack Reynolds, VP Sales
RightBrain Software, 132 Hamilton Avenue, Palo Alto, California USA   
94301
(415)326-2974 or(415)326-2977 Fax
reynolds@rightbrain.com

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