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From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Subject: Album Review - The Word
Keywords: Michael Card
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:38:23 GMT

The Word - Recapturing the Imagination, Michael Card
Third in the Ancient Faith series

One more album review before Christmas for y'all.

Recapturing the imagination it is!  I used to like
Card's music a lot, but lately his albums have started
to droop in a big way.  I can't listen to the last
couple in my car for fear I will fall asleep and
plow into a telephone pole.  But now, whoever was slipping
Valium in his wheaties has stopped.  The Word is an admirable
return to the sound of his earlier music, like that found
on Legacy, First Light, and Scandalon.  He even uses
*electric guitar*!  A habit I was afraid he had given up for good.

Now don't get me wrong, this won't be played at the next rave you 
attend, but it does have a beat (beware Gothardites).  If you
liked Card's old stuff, this is the album for you.  One of the
songs, "Recapture Me," is getting radio airplay; listen for it.

Now I realize there are people out there who like soporific (read:
"inspirational") music like Card's been doing lately.  You are duly 
credited; and I won't be here to read flames till January so don't
bother.  But for all the big "Scandalon" fans out there, Card has 
returned.

Merry Christmas, all.

Ernest Mueller


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh)
Subject: Need words to "He touched me"
Reply-To: walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:31:26 GMT

Anyone know the words to the hymn "He touched me"? (Not the Barbara
Streisand song...:).  Thanks.

/Ned
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What are your favorite Christian Christmas albums?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ


Taylor's Mariachi(sp?) style rendition of Winter Wonderland is pretty good.
Even my wife and her family, who are native Mexicans, get a kick out of it.

I bought John Elefante's "Rock Power Praise Vol. II - Christmas Hymns" last
night.  Great stuff!
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (The Blue Adept)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Jesus Christ Superstar
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:02:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: coral.1gii6sINN5l7
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu

Hi Everybody,

	I jsut wanted to bring up a topic that was of interest to me and
see what everyone else thought.  I am (as I write) listening to Andrew
Lloyd Weber's Jesus Christ Superstar, the rock opera.  I started listening to
it before I became a Christian 14 months ago, and I have gotten to love
the music.
	The lyrics,however, I don't think are completely accurate.  Tim Rice, who I think was the gut who wrote the lyrics, took some liberties with scripture
and so I don't think that it is completely edifying to God.
	However, when I saw the musical performed at a church, it was done very
well, and I saw the message of Christ's resurrection touch many people.

	My question is this:  Is it wrong to listen to this musical, even if
it can touch people?  Is the musical wrong?  

Any thoughts would be appreciated, over the net, or to me personally.

Sincerely, 

	Christopher Whelan

	whelan@coral.bucknell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:57:19 GMT

andrew.j.whitman (ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec14.135507.20128@samba.oit.unc.edu> danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:
: 
: (in response to Ted Krueger's tale of woe):
: 
: >Wow, what a major bummer.  Sorry to be nosy, but I didn't quite catch the
: >description of the 'unchristian' activity.  Was it reading sf/fantasy?  Or
: >something really unmentionable like going to secular concerts or *gasp*
: >dancing?  Being in leadership is kinda funny.  Somehow you are expected to
: >keep up a certain image as to not offend nobody. 
: I'm sorry to hear that too, Ted.  Sometimes people interpret the notion
: of freedom in Christ as freedom to goosestep along in neat, orderly
: lines.  I hope you can find a church that preaches the Word but still
: allows room for individual differences.

   I sure hope too.  I'm currently attending a church where they allow
individual differences and I love it!

: People can recognize their sickness whether they're wearing t-shirts
: and blue jeans or suits and ties.  And that's what matters.  When
: I became a Christian I thought that it was important to go to a
: church where everybody had long hair and where the de rigeur
: church outfit was torn blue jeans for the men and peasant dresses
: for the women.  It was a whole-wheat-no-nukes-share-all-things-in
: common-jam-with-guitars-in-somebody's-living-room time, and I'm
: glad that it was a part of my life.  Now I hang out with my 
: long hair and faded jeans in a big, gothic-looking Presbyterian
: church full of suits and ties and stained glass and clerical 
: robes.  You know why I'm there?  Because people love Jesus.  

   It kinda reminds me of my own situation.  The last chruch I was at,
seemed more interested in how you dressed for Church on Sundays, how
"rich" you were, how much you owned in terms of material wealth... and
they were dressed to kill.  The current church I attend has probably got
to be one of the most "conservative" churches I've ever attended and
yet, they give me plenty of freedom to be who I am... 

: Wear your sweat shirt and long hair next week and tell the photographer 
: to take your picture anyway.  He may not think he needs to do it,
: but he does.  And if he still refuses, go home and put on a suit and
: tie and comb your hair and then go back and smile pretty for the 
: camera.  It's probably not worth making a big deal over.  But 
: don't wear any underwear. 

   I have to agree with Andy on this one. It's not worth the hassle,
just to get your own way.  Someone has to give in and in this case, it
might save all the hassle if you gave in...

: >danielg
: 
: Andy Whitman

Rodney Ho

hotuckch@iscs.nus.sg
isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg
From: susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Old Christian music
Keywords: please..thank you...
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:17:50 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems

Apologies if this is a duplicate.  I've not been able to get it posted
before.

I noticed in a hymnal last night that "O Come, O Come Emmanuel" is a 9th
century hymn, Veni, veni Emmanuel.  Does anyone out there know the Latin
for this hymn?   I would also be pleased to have the Latin to "O Come
All Ye Faithful"  which I think is much later (11th century?)

Are there any other hymns in common use today that date back to the
Middle Ages or early Renissance?  Is there a readily availible source to
the Latin( I'm rather mobility limited at the moment, it would help to
be able to call around with a title or two)  A history of Christmas
music?

Thanks for your help,
Susan Finkelman
susan@varian.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bill@mercury
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Good Christian Progressive
Keywords: Rhine Out Grey Progressive Christian
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:41:48 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


	I just read Jeff Elbel's comments and wanted to second his plug for 
Over the Rhine.  As a resident of Cincinnati, I am fortunate to have 
plenty of chances to see them.  A group of friends from our church got 
together to catch them at a local bar and had a great time.  It is a real
treat to be able to see great musicians playing live, and while they are
not overtly Christian during their bar shows, they are making inroads to a 
group that is not being reached by any other methods.  You have to
establish credibility before you can communicate, and for progressive
(in the musical sense) Christians it gives us a chance to mix with people
without immediatly alienating them.  

	Anyway, I digress.  If you like OTR, then you might also want to
check out Out of the Grey.  They are an acoustic duet, with incredible
vocals and fantastic acoustic guitar.  The style is less artsey then 
OTR, but the muscianship is equally well crafted.  If you ever get the 
chance to see them live, don't miss them.  Watching the acoustic 
guitarist work is a real treat.  He really pushes the limits of his 
instrument, and does it better than I think I have seen any other musician
(Christian or secular) play.

	Charlie Peacock's West Coast Diaries, Vol. II also has some great 
acoustic work, and could probably be classified as progressive.  His newer
stuff is a little more pop-ish than I appreciate, but the above mentioned
album is one of my favorites.

	Anybody else know of good progressive Christian along these same lines?
It is hard enough to stay in touch with current progressive, current 
Christian progressive is just about impossible.

Bill Kilgallon
bill@mercury.ae.ge.com

"The opinions above are probably just about the opposite of those held
 by my company"
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rhalse20@ursa.calvin.edu (Rob Halsey)
Subject: Re: Mastedon: It's a Jungle Out There (CD)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:35:50 GMT

zebra@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman) writes:

>	I mentioned to the store that there were others trying to order
>	the same CD and that they have been unlucky in getting it. I also
>	asked how many copies their distributor showed having in stock.
>	The lady told me that they have around 550 copies of that CD in
>	stock. She also told me that they order their CDs through:

>	Spring Arbor Distributors

Most CCM distributors at least have heard of Spring Arbor, and pretty
much all of them have access to their services.  The problem comes when
some dealers don't want to deal with a middle-man warehouse (which is
essentially what Spring Arbor is).  If you can't get it from the dealer,
make sure that you SPECIFICALLY request that they order the CD from
there.  Otherwise, you may never get it if the original distributor is
out.
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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: RAVE artists?
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:05:20 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

cE! (cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: twiggs_te@lrc.edu writes:
: 
: >	But I've got a really hard one for everybody:
: Not really!  It's just hard to find good stuff...

  I have to agree with cE! on this.  When I first got my copy of Dance
House Children and heard the first track, I thought it was going to be
an impressive "rave" album.  But then after going thru the whole album,
I found it to be one of the most boring albums around and it wasn't even
up to a standard (save for a few tracks) *sigh*

: >	What about Christian techno / house / break beat artists?  I'm
: >a dj who spins at raves, and lately I've been wondering about this.  
: >Raves and techno music are fairly new on the American forefront, so
: >I'm not sure if there are any Christian artists taking advantage of it
: >yet, but if there are, please let me know.  Thanks!
: 
: These are other techno bands, their albums, and labels (I think):
: 
: Jyradelix	Invincible	R.E.X.

   Jyradelix is on Myx records.

: House/hip-hop:
: Scott Blackwell			MYX (I think this is part of Frontline?)

   Yup, Myx is part of Frontline.  Scott's got a few pretty good tracks,
like "Voices of Peace" (found on 1800 seconds of motion).  Found most of
his house stuff pretty good, though they can get pretty monotonous after
a while.

: cE! / gWs
: ============================================================================
: g    l    o    b    a    l    W    A    V    E    s    y    s    t    e    m 
: l    i    f    e      e    q    u    a    l    s       d    e    a    t    h
:          1                  9                  9                  3
: 
: B   l   o   n   d   e      V   i   n   y   l       R   e   c   o   r   d   s
: ============================================================================

   Get gWs' new album... I've heard the track off the Slava compilation
and I'm really impressed... 8)  S'pity gWs doesn't do dance.... 8P

Rodney Ho

hotuckch@iscs.nus.sg
isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg
From: darenm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Daren McClearnon)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:18:59 GMT
Subject: Re: pray naked
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

I have a question about Pray Naked.  Can someone explain the personnel 
changes?  What's the deal with Mike Roe?  Is Aaron Smith dead?  Are 
the 77's ever going to tour, or are they going to continue slapping
together bits of studio demos until they are forgotten?  Are they
really going to try for it this time?

Their big album was "Sticks & Stones."  If that album couldn't break
them into the mainstream success, I don't know what would.  After 
10 years, what's the point for the 77's?

dBm.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dan@Ingres.COM (Heaven is not for the careless or cowardly)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:21:45 GMT

Please forgive me if I'm responding to the wrong newsgroup--I noticed that
the heading had rec.music.christian when I started to respond, so I added
soc.religion.christian afterwards.  So, I might be continuing a discussion
that is happening on the wrong group while giving an answer to a question
that noone on the other newsgroup knows about :-)

I generally see apparent "Biblical contradictions" as

	1--a tool that helps protect the true meaning of God's Word, and
	2--a tool to give the non-believer freedom and a cheap excuse to
		flee from God should he or she wish to do so.

Romans 8:28 says that all things work for good to those who love God and
are called according to His purpose.  The person who fears God reads the
Bible, sees an apparent contradiction only to learn later on, comparing
scripture with scripture, that the scripture was not in error but rather that
his or her understanding needed corrected.  This apparent contradiction helps
us who do not know Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic know and feel the difference
between a poor translation of scripture and a good one and really get into
what God meant.  In this way, God comes across as the greatest communicator
and his scripture works to good for those who love Him and are called according
to His purpose.

As for the mocker, these apparent contradictions give him every opportunity
to grab at cheap shots left and right.  Watch the mocker exhault his own
intelligence and lift himself above all christians in his own eyes prancing
around like the king of all intelligence only to be cast down as a supreme
fool!  The christian sits at the feet of the Lord hungering for and living
off of every word that comes from His mouth while the mocker sneers, starves
himself and closes his eyes in supreme arrogance and foolishness as he walks
straight into the pit of hell while the christian is given the welcome of
Christ into His Father's house with many mansions!

As for my own preferences for versions of the Bible, I'm no expert over which
is the "most accurate".  I know that I feel funny when I see some things that
seem like poor paraphrases or poor translations in, for instance, the Living
Bible, but I'm pretty happy over all with the KJV, NASB, NIV, and RSV.  But,
even when using the New English Bible or Good News or Living Bible and some
others, I feel that comparing scripture with scripture that I'm still much
better off than I would be having nothing at all.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Between now and Sunday. . .
Reply-To: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:55:06 GMT

	There is a Christian Band in Bozeman, MT by the name of "Between Now
and Sunday."  They can really use your prayer cover, because they are young, and
facing adversity from the powers of the air.  If you are interested in finding
out more about the band, e-mail me at:

		mx%"ICSIP193@TREX.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU"


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: isc10144@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHAN NICODEMUS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mail Order Song Tracks
Date: 9 Dec 92 18:31:59 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Victoria Goff (goff@intruder.navo.navy.mil) wrote:
: Does anyone know where I could obtain a catalog where I could order
: song tracks via mail? 
: 

Can you mail that to me as well.


Nicodemus Chan,
Department of Information Systems and Computer Science,
National University of Singapore.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dzubera@CS.ColoState.EDU (Zube)
Subject: Looking For Edger Groves' "Footprints in the Sand."
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:49:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

The above recording got a small amount of airplay on both Christian and
Country & Western stations in the early 1980's.  If anyone has it, I'd be
willing to make an offer, as it would be a Christmas present to my mother.

Thank you,
-- 
Zube
system grunt / grad student
Zube@oldfield.cs.colostate.edu
dzubera@lamar.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wales@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Subject: Any CCM radio stations in southern Ontario?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 08:00:54 GMT

Are there any radio stations in southern Ontario (Canada) which play
significant amounts of contemporary Christian music?

Please reply via e-mail; if you post an answer, please send me e-mail
anyway.  I'm about to go on vacation and might miss an answer posted
only to the net.

-- 
Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department
3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:05:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.183643.2323@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>I doubt that Daniel intended his remarks to be interpreted as an
>encouragement to drink, cuss, and chew (chew what?).  

Which reminds me of some Little Richard lyrics:

	It ain't what you do, it's the way how you do it.
	It ain't what you eat, it's the way how you chew it.

John
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:25:01 GMT

>In article <1gii6sINN5l7@coral.bucknell.edu>, whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (The Blue Adept) writes:
 
> 	I just wanted to bring up a topic that was of interest to me and
> see what everyone else thought.  I am (as I write) listening to Andrew
> Lloyd Weber's Jesus Christ Superstar... 

>[stuff deleted]

>...My question is this:  Is it wrong to listen to this musical, even if
> it can touch people?  Is the musical wrong?  

As I've heard it, the musical is not an *accurate* portrayal of the Life
of Jesus, but *is* worth listening to (note: I'm biased toward loving 
Andrew Lloyd Weber anyway.... :)

As another writer pointed out, the emotions portrayed in JCS are *incredible.*
_Godspell_, based on the accounts in Matthew, is perhaps far more accurate
than JCS, (i.e. Jesus rises from the dead in Godspell, not in JCS; there's
no glorification of Judus in Godspell where there is in JCS.)  But it doesn't
make my heart catch in my throat like JCS, like the flogging scene.  Ack, 
whenever I listen to the soundtrack and hear all 39 lashes, I want to cry.

It's a great piece -- musically; good for emotional understanding of the
*Passion* of Christ (akin to Bach's Passions written for Good Friday services);
and good for examining what the Bible *really* says, as opposed to the
story line of JCS.  Thought-provoking, easily.

Btw, I recommend Godspell to people too.


Eilidh Swan
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Music for radio station
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:11:46 GMT

In article <1gj13dINNgbb@coral.bucknell.edu> whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (Christopher Whelan) writes:
>isn't that a surprise!).  Do any of you know how we can go about writing to
>Christian record labels asking for promotional copies of CCM and progressive/
>industrial Christian music for our radio station.


second hand info --->

	try writing to publishing co's on station letterhead.

	rpi's station no longer has a Christian show, but we still get
stuff from Blonde Vinyl, etc.

the co's that I would write to would be

	Blonde Vinyle
	REX
	Glasshouse
	Intense
	Frontline
	MYX

phil


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rhine@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dan J. Richters)
Subject: OVERTHERHINE
Summary: OVERTHE RHINE
Keywords: OVER THE RHINE
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:34:01 GMT

		OVER THE RHINE

i dont have much to say 
but this

over the rhine moves something inside you 
makes something click
a turning twisting wave of emotion
a pause of deep thought

	im just overlyjoyed to see some talk of them in this world 
	postingwise

otr is a musical art phenomenon 

understand i dont worship them or her 
but their music does, in a way, inspire worship
a setting of restfullness
tinged with expectation
pensive
sorrow
joy 
love
tension
		a liquidity of beautiful expression

no doubt can remain of God and His marvelous hadiwork in creation and His
	instillment of the ability to create in us. 
	

	Something as beautiful as
		    over the rhine
--