From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
Subject: Part XIV, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:13:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy


       I made the following transcript from a tape recording of 
       a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
            WBAI-FM (99.5)
            505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
            New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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DAVID LIFTON:
Now, contrary to that evidence, I actually located the witnesses
who were at the back of the hospital, and who participated in
off-loading the vehicle and the casket in which the body actually
was in. And that was a black hearse which arrived at about ten
minutes til seven, Eastern Time. That black hearse had two men in
O.R. smocks and a group of civilians. A shipping casket was brought
out of that hearse. Dennis David, who is in Chapter 25 of my book,
described the scene of his men off-loading that casket. Furthermore,
I have documentary evidence, which is in my book (it's actually at
the Gerald Ford Library now), that the arrival occurred at 6:50,
apparently. This is the shipping casket. It was brought into the
hospital. That shipping casket was opened by Paul O'Connor who was
the medical technician at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Inside that
shipping casket, according to O'Connor, the President's body was in
a body bag. He unzipped the body bag. That statement was accepted
and published by the House Select Committee: the fact that he
opened the President's body bag; that the body was in a body bag.
That's the information that the body did not arrive in the same
casket that it left Dallas in, even though, of course, the big
casket arrives at the front of the hospital.

Now, it so happens that the big casket enters twice: once at eight
o'clock, as I've just described in the casket scene. However, it
also enters at 7:14. That casket entry is documented in FBI
documents provided by FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill. So we have
three casket entries: the one in the shipping casket at 6:50 when,
apparently, the body arrived. Then there's this covert entry of the
big casket while the casket team is chasing around looking for it.
And that's apparently when the body was put back into the big
casket so that they could have an official casket opening at 8:00.

This hocus-pocus is documented. I think any historian has to accept
the fact that there are three documented entries. One can argue and
say that it's all a matter of a mix-up of the paperwork. I think
that that is highly unlikely in view of the other part of my case
which involves actual alterations to the body. That's a separate
issue. But on the area of the chain-of-possession, I want to tell
you that when this material was run on San Francisco TV station
KRON-TV, in a documentary in which I was a consultant, narrated by
Sylvia Chase and produced by Stanhope Gould, Stanhope said to the
San Francisco papers (and I was very pleased with this), he says:
"David Lifton has courtroom evidence that the body did not make an
uninterrupted journey from Dallas to Bethesda. Something happened.
He interviewed these witnesses personally, on camera. He sat with
them for hours in restaurants. They are credible."   And unless one
believes in some crazy theory of Maxwell's demons, and that reality
went haywire that night, as it is supposed to have gone haywire in
Dealey Plaza that afternoon, with all kinds of non-physical things
occurring; you know, the head going the wrong way on the Zapruder
Film, or witnesses not understanding where the shots came from .....
This is another episode at Bethesda that night. And I say that what
we're witnessing is, in fact, an interruption in the chain-of-
possession.  A disguise was in force.  The decoy ambulance business
smells.  And something happened that night.  Now, in my book I try
to explain what that something is. But focusing just on the
microscopic here, something happened.  There are three documented
entries of two caskets.

GARY NULL:
Okay.  Now let's go. What do you think happened, and how is it
significant to the conspiracy concept?

DAVID LIFTON:
Okay. In what I am now going to say, I'm not addressing the autopsy
X-rays and photographs. I am addressing the descriptions of the
body as recorded in the official documentation in the Bethesda
autopsy report and testimony.  Okay? Because the autopsy photos and
X-rays are another issue -- and an important one -- and a separate
issue. But to avoid confusion (on a radio program we do not have
visual aids), what I'm going to say to you is that the legal record
..... and one of the accomplishments of my book was to demonstrate
that the Bethesda medical record, based on the descriptions of the
head wound, for example, is different from the Dallas medical
record. The Dallas record described a 35 square centimeter hole
(wound) in the back right-rear of the President's head, with a flap
of scalp connected with that hole at the back -- a wound at the
right-rear of the head.  Okay?  I documented that in my book. 
I showed that news accounts, starting with the press conference
conducted within an hour of the time of death, when the two doctors
Clark and Perry conducted a press conference at Parkland Hospital,
with news interviews over the weekend, with testimony before the
Warren Commission, with their medical reports -- it all points to
the fact that the doctors in Dallas saw a hole at the right-rear of
the head. Connected with that hole was a flap of scalp. They all
thought that a bullet had exited from the right-rear of the head.
When I say, "they all thought", let's say with one minor exception.
But that's what their diagnosis was. And the brain was inside the
head. It was not gone, or anything of that sort. There was severe
damage. There was some brain tissue blown out. But it was not as if
the President was in Dallas, Texas with an empty cranium.

Now, that is the Dallas evidence. I refer anybody listening to this
to Chapter 13 of my book ["BEST EVIDENCE"]. At the Bethesda end of
the line, I personally think that the finest evidence there is a
blood-stained diagram -- today at the National Archives. That blood-
stained diagram, executed by Commander Boswell, one of it's autopsy
surgeons, shows measurements ten-by-seventeen for the hole in the
top of the President's head. Ten-by-seventeen is 170 square
centimeters. That's FIVE times larger than the thirty-five square
centimeter hole at Parkland.  To use inches, at Parkland it was
thought to be two and three-quarter inches across. At Bethesda it's
seven or eight inches on the diagonal. In the official autopsy
description, it was listed as thirteen centimeters across, which is
still a mighty big hole. It was not what was seen in Dallas.    
    Furthermore, specifically stated in the Bethesda report is that
the scalp is entirely gone over that hole. There is no flap. It is
just GONE. Now that huge crater in the top right-hand side of the
head is described in the Bethesda autopsy report, and it conflicts
with Dallas. Furthermore, two agents present -- FBI agents Seibert
and O'Neill, again who are also connected with the coffin business;
that is, in providing us with valuable information about that 7:14
entry -- two FBI agents report that when the body was removed from
the casket in which it had been transported, and placed on the
autopsy table, it was apparent that there had been surgery of the
head area; namely, in the top of the skull. NO such surgery was
performed in Dallas. If the FBI statement is true (and that's a
very critical question; it ought to be investigated by a special
prosecutor) ..... if the FBI statement is true, then something
happened to the body between Dallas and Bethesda.
                      (to be continued)
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    Now that we know that they have systematically deceived and 
    betrayed the American People, that they have subverted our   
    democracy, that they have replaced our democracy with their 
    oligarchy, their plutocracy .... now that we know, do we intend
    to do something about it, or do we intend to just lay back and 
    accept our gradual decline into totalitarianism and poverty?
    The ruling elite intends to dissolve the American People's liberty 
    and prosperity so gradually that it won't upset us enough to 
    drive us to rebel. As patriotic citizens, we must care enough   
    about our inalienable rights and about our human dignity to 
    uphold them. As loving parents, we must care enough about the
    the dignity and the human rights of our children to redouble our
    resolve to preserve their most precious legacy.

    Daniel Sheehan and Gary Null are striving to inform the people of the 
    truth concerning the Government-sponsored political assassinations 
    and their cover-ups which have crushed the people's democratic spirit
    throughout the past thirty years. They also want the American people
    to know that President Kennedy was trying to stop the ruling elite
    from concocting a major war in Vietnam, and that's why they murdered
    him. They then went on to murder fifty-eight thousand young Americans 
    of my generation and two million Vietnamese people. The ruling elite 
    fabricated the Vietnam War and the Persian Gulf War strictly for profit
    and for their greater world empire. The ruling elite increase their
    wealth by robbing us of our earnings in so many subtle ways, and 
    they increase their power by robbing us of our liberties.

    We must all unite in our common defense, for we are all suffering, 
    and we will suffer increasingly as victims of the ruling elite   
    who have never relaxed in their neurotic pursuit of ever-greater
    wealth through ever-greater domination of our people and of all 
    peoples of the world.

    These old men who rule from the shadows showed us the magnitude of
    their evil when they scattered President Kennedy's brains all over
    the streets of Dallas. They have had some thirty years in which to 
    intensify their power by usurping our democratic power. We haven't 
    a day to waste. Please write to Daniel Sheehan and express your
    support for his public-interest lawsuits against Government crimes 
    and the cover-ups which are fabricated under the duplicitous guise 
    of "the national security".

                 Daniel Sheehan, Lead Attorney
                 The Christic Institute
                 8773 Venice Blvd.
                 Los Angeles CA 90034           (310) 287-1556

    John DiNardo