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From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: R.S.BB FAQ V 1.10 (LU: 8/7/92)
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:26:49 PST

In article <9208071848.AA05130@sumac09.cray.com>, jjd@TEAK.CRAY.COM (Jeff Drummond) writes:
> In article <5vymkgg@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee") writes:
> 
> [ lots of good info deleted ]
> 
>>A) WHAT'S THIS EXPANSION DRAFT ABOUT?
> 
>   [ some expansion draft info deleted ]
> 
>>How it affects free agents:  If player declares free agency before the
>>draft, he is not included in team's draft-eligible pool unless team re-signs
>>him before the draft.  If player is offered and accepts arbitration, he
>>is like every other player in the organization.  (Oh yeah, the new teams
>>would just LOVE to get right into the arbitration fun!)
> 
> Let me get this straight.  Any and all free agents on 11/17 can't be
> drafted, and no team has to protect them?  It sounds like an opportunity
> for Collusion, Part III to me.  The owners get together and decide not
> to sign any free agents until after the expansion draft.  Everyone gets
> to protect a few extra players and as a bonus, the market is flooded
> with free agents after the draft and law of supply and demand kicks in...
> 

   I think that the free agent timeline looks like this :
           World Series ends .....
           Free Agents have x days to declare (where x < 16)
                I think that they have 14 days but that may not be right
           ML protected rosters have to be in 16 days after W.S.
           Expansion draft on 11/17
   Any corrections ?

   Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dick Williams as Manager of the Padres?!?!?
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:10:10 +1300
 <1992Aug21.202231.23018@u.washington.edu> <37122@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <37122@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David 

> I still have a hard time understanding how a team with Griffey Jr.
> Edgar, Harold Reynolds, Dave Valle (oops) and a surprise
> like Fleming can be so bad.  When I think of lousy teams, I
> think of, say, the Angels - Polonia is the offensive star(!).

The Angels had Eichhorn and Harvey, at least for part of the year.
The Mariners may well have the worst bullpen of the last twenty
years.  Schooler has been berserkly awful and no one else really
belongs in the majors.  

The M's do have some potentially decent starters with Fleming, Hanson,
Johnson, Salkeld, Holman.  Plus they have two big stars in Griffey
and Edgar, and there is no guarantee that Mitchell won't rebound.
Plus they have at least decent players in Vizquel, Reynolds, and
Buhner.  Valle has a fun accent.

If the Mariners could pick up a 1B and DH and a couple of relievers,
they could be back in it next year.

This also seems like a good point to remind everyone of the various
noises that noted r.s.b commentator G. Huckabay was making, early in 
the year, concerning the relative merits of this year's A's (who should 
still, I would guess, be trying to trade Welch for prospects) and
Mariners ("call Puget Sound Airways").  My theory is that pneumonia,
however it is spelled, can be a disease of the conscience.

Bill Guilford
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:48:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

Sorry, but I have to agree with Edward.  If Brantley is having a bad year,
then this is the second in a row.  If he needs to be 'waited out' of this
slump, then they shouldn't be pitching him in game winning/losing situations.

He walks way too many  batters, and always seems to have the bases loaded.
Some of these situations he manages to get out of by the skin of his teeth,
but he shouldn't have gotten into them in the first place.  I'm not saying
he should be perfect and never walk a batter, or never load the bases, but
the number of times he does this is very high compared to other pitchers.

Maybe they shouldn't get rid of him, but I think they should be more selective
as to when they put him in.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.220017.24634@parc.xerox.com> zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>So, then, if the Giants aren't losing money, why is Lurie selling the team?
>Is he just being bitter?

There seems to be some element of that, particularly since he didn't take
the usual route of waiting to see if there were local offers first.
However, I never denied that Candlestick park didn't hurt revenues; it
does.  You said that owning a baseball team was a losing proposition
long-term; I pointed out that it's hard to see how, given the appreciation
of franchises that we've seen.  

Perhaps a more interesting question is, if owning a baseball team is a
long-term losing proposition, why don't more owners sell?  Why were
investors lined up to pay $95 million for an expansion team?  My particular
question is why doesn't the current Pirate ownership group sell out:
they're continually telling us all that they can't make money.  That
ownership group paid $25 million for the Pirates in 1985, and took a $25
million loan from the city.  If the Giants are worth $110 million, you
ought to get at least close to that for the Pirates.  That gives them back
their original $25 million investment, the money to pay off the rest of the
loan, and a very nice profit besides.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: AL Marginal Lineup Values through 8/9
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:32:20 GMT

In article <Bt3JF5.Cx0@world.std.com> szs@world.std.com (Stephen Z Stein) writes:
>BATTERS       TM   POS     Avg     SLG     OBP     G    PA     MLV    MRPG
>THOMAS,F      CWS   1B   0.324   0.549   0.453   108   480   35.89   0.332
>FRYMAN,T      DET   SS   0.279   0.455   0.319   112   487   33.44   0.299
>MARTINEZ,E    SEA   3B   0.337   0.542   0.398   106   453   32.67   0.308
>MCGWIRE,M     OAK   1B   0.273   0.599   0.394   110   451   29.32   0.267
>TETTLETON,M   DET    C   0.248   0.485   0.383   111   464   27.10   0.244

Steve, just wondering: for players like Fryman and Tettleton, who had
significant time at another position (3B and DH respectively), did you take
that into consideration, or did you just use the average for their main
positions?

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:25231 soc.culture.usa:6734
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 01:07:54 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: [baseball] baseball is boring

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>Everybody has their own reasons for liking whatever sports they like.
>If you don't like baseball, fine. Get on the damn rec.sport(NOT!).pingpong
>net. It stands to reason that most people subscribing to this net
>like baseball so you really have no business spewing forth your opinion
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>which most people probably don't really care about.

The name of this newsgroup is REC.SPORT.BASEBALL. If Mr Chung wishes
to post to the group to express his opinion that baseball is boring,
then he can do so. He has every right to "spew forth" his opinion.
Just because we all disagree with his opinion is no reason to tell
him to get lost. He has every "business" to post to the group to tell
us baseball is boring, just like it is our business to post to the
contrary.

Sorry, but I do care about Mr Chung's opinion. I want to know why
fans of other sports believe baseball is boring.

Are you saying, Mr Krueger, that if the majority disagrees with the
minority then the minority may not speak and be heard? You have every
right to argue against Mr Chung's opinion. You do not have the right
to tell him he does not have the right to state his opinion, if only
because the majority disagrees.

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From: kettler@oppy.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Bruce Ruffin- What's u?
Keywords: baseball, men's professional, broadcast
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:39:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug16.022320.29990@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)  writes...
>There is my entry for the nomination of net.anti.christ: Chuck Crim.  Up to
>this Monday, Crim had a 5.35 ERA, having given up 77 hits in 67 1/3 innings,
>14 of which are doubles and 7 of which are homers, and walked 23, striking out
>only 22.  He also has 4 wild pitches, and allowed 16 stolen bases (to 6 caught
>stealings). :-(  (Crim's 16 SB against leads all major league relievers.)
> 
>===============================================================================
>GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

Nelson's post about Crim reminded me of a pitcher I've been curious about. He 
is Bruce Ruffin. This guy could always make me laugh. After all, only Steve 
Trout and Ruffin could give up 4 runs in 2/3 innings without giving up a hit. 
Even Bobby Witt isn't that wild! d::-) I recall that the Phillies traded him 
for Dale Sveum. Does anyone have any stats on him. I'd greatly appreciate it.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Total Baseball CD
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:52:12 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug18.172745.969@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
>
***Total Baseball CD ad deleted ***
>
>   A follow up note to this is that you also get Tony LaRussa's "Ultimate
>Baseball" for free (a $49 program) when you order _Total_Baseball_ on CD.
>It's a hell of a deal if you've got CD ROM.
>
I hate to respond to something I originated, but it was brought to my
attention via e-mail that this isn't quite the deal I thought it was.
the last sentence on the ad reads as follows "due to an agreement with
the publishers, this CD ROM offer is only available if you order a
BSR CD ROM drive from DAK".

So if you want the disk, you have to buy one of their drives too.

Very sorry for the misleading information, I didn't read the entire ad.

Russ
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Red Sox news
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:02:44 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


Darwin, in his sixth start this season, won his first game as a
starter.  His record is now 1-1 as a starter, 6-5 overall.  While in
previous starts he has been victimized by the bullpen, he did it all
tonight, going the distance for a three hit, two walk, one run gem.

I realize that as a Red Sox fan I am biased, but Darwin might be a
decent pickup for the stretch run in a rotisserie leagues.  As a
starter, he has a 3.89 ERA and 1.144 ratio.  But if you eliminate his
first start (which was by far his worst), he has a 3.67 ERA and 1.019
ratio.  Over that stretch he has 30 strikeouts in 34.1 IP.

On another note, Jack Clark is utterly useless.  Not only does he
rarely get hits, but he doesn't advance runners with outs either!
Ugh!

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: Suncoast dome? (Re: bye bye san fran!!! hello tampa bay)
Keywords: eat more orange moose
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:16:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.185624.20540@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.153900.29400@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>
>|> hell would you know how good the Suncoast dome is for baseball anyway?  No 
>|> one's played baseball in it, have they?  The arena footballers seem to have 
>|> no problem with it....
>|> 
>
>eep.  Arena football and MLB in the same thought.
>
>Imminent death of the network predicted, 13:58 CDT, 8/13/92.
>
>Seriously...ALL I've heard about the suncoast dome is how 
>unsuited for baseball it really is.  Somebody, anybody with
>knowledge please enlighten the rest of us...
>
>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Robert E. L\'{o}pez       |       Internet:


The stadium is viewed to well suited for baseball.  The major
concern was with the lighting/ceiling color combination.  This
was demoed this spring.  Andy Van Slyke was sent to the outfield
and shagged some fly balls.  In his opinion, there seemed to be
no problem with seeing the ball.

The other major concern is completing the stadium for baseball.
There is no turf, some internal construction remains to be done
in some of the public areas like concession and restrooms, and
other miscellaneous work that must be completed before a baseball
game could efficiently be handled.

I will dig through the papers again to see if I have missed
something, but I am not aware of any REAL serious problems.

As mentioned before, arena football has been played in the
dome as well as NHL hockey, pro tennis, and even an old-timers
football game (They actually laid in grass sod for that game).
And let's not forget the flee markets and boat shows too.

But it should be well suited for baseball.

DonO

--
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(813)530-8282 |  Opinions are mine, not AT&T   |               -Mark Twain
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:25147 soc.culture.usa:6682
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: [baseball] baseball is boring
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:55:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug20.025551.8290
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <9208192310.AA00534@efi.com> dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung) writes:
>
>     [Estas en Angla lingvo, sed Esperantig^o estas haveble.] -- Irrel@v@nt
>to English speakers.
>
>     Baseball is boring.
>
   <blah, blah, blah deleted>

  Oh Please, let's not get into baseball is boring 'cause everyone stands
  around, football is stupid 'cause a bunch of mountain men chase a pigskin
  around, basketball is stupid because you have to be tall to play, boxing
  is ignorant 'cause you have two boneheads beating the shit out of each
  other, soccer is like watching paint dry 'cause all you do is watch a 
  bunch of guys in shorts kicking a ball around and golf is dumb because it's
  just people hitting a little white ball into a slightly larger hole type of
  discussion (sorry if I didn't mention your favorite sport, but this is     
  already getting tiresome). 

  Everybody has their own reasons for liking whatever sports they like. If you
  don't like baseball, fine. Get on the damn rec.sport(NOT!).pingpong net. It
  stands to reason that most people subscribing to this net like baseball so
  you really have no business spewing forth your opinion which most people
  probably don't really care about. 

  Hopefully I've taken care of this before it turns into a Mattingly, Milligan,
  Murray or validity of stats absurdity which goes on forever! ;)
>				
  --salty

*Zhong* Qi-Iao, San Francisco Bay Area
From: dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Save the Giants
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:48:06 GMT
	<1992Aug17.210950.29745@odin.corp.sgi.com>
	<1992Aug18.001835.19455@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Computer Scientists Against the Oppression of Crutons
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:18:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.001835.19455@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
	claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

   The problem is, if you own 1% of the team, unlike Bob Lurie, you
   cannot sell the team to St. Petersburg (or some other city) that is
   dying to get baseball.  If you own the entire team, you can move it
   at your whim, but it is pretty hard to move 1% of the team.  The
   power of the franchise owner is the reason why Lurie is making a
   big profit in selling the team.  If you have essentially no power
   in how the team will be run, your stocks will be worth a lot less.

Except if someone comes alont and launches a takeover bid and offers
all the stockholders $120 a share or whatever.

Then there's voting rights, spots on the Board of Directors, etcetera.

All more reasons why the other owners would fight tooth and nail to
prevent it.

David Paschich
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From: lreed@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Len Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ANSWER: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 15
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:13:53 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In article <92226.235300IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>THE CALL
>The batter-runner is charged with a time at bat, but receives no
>credit for a hit, as a preceding runner failed to reach the first
>base to which he was advancing (Rule 10.06).

So far so good.

>Because this is an
>appeal play, no assists and no put outs are recorded.

Huh?  Where is it written that appeal plays don't result in A and PO?
10.11 (assist rule) says nothing about appeal plays.  I don't buy it.
I'll say it sure isn't too clear about dead ball appeals.  (Pitcher
steps off and throws.  Do the fielders who handled the ball before
the ball was dead get assists?  Does the pitcher?)  Live ball appeals,
like this one, are straightforward.  Everyone who handled the ball
gets one just as in any other play.

As to the putout, you've got to award one or the box score won't prove
out.  See 10.03 (c), which says:
AB + BB + HBP + Sac-Bunt + Sac-Fly + 1st-on-Interference
     = R + LOB + Opposition-Put-Outs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: What's a cycle?
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:12:49 GMT

Whats as rare as a good knuckleball pitcher is a good knuckleball
catcher. I can't think of anybody in the majors right not that is noted for
this, anybody know. I know some wear oversized mitts to catch knucklers.
I used to watch Indians games when Candiotti was with them, and I would
get a kick out of watching the catcher diving all over trying to catch
those pitches, no easy way to do it.
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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: Nolan Ryan tonight?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Nolan, Nolan, Nolan
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.144210.11533@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes...
> 
>	Well, since it's close to the end of Ryans career (I assume),
>	and I don't have any plans tonight, I thought I'd go down to
>	Comiskey and get a few pictures of Ryan on the mound from
>	the cheap seats (I'll have to break out the old zoom lens!)
> 
>	But, I can't find anywhere saying who's pitching. My paper
>	(a local one) doesn't have the info. I guess I can go out
>	at lunch and get one ... but
> 
>	Does anybody know if Ryan pitches tonight?

I'm afraid not.  The USA Today lists Jose Guzman vs Alex Fernandez as 
tonight's matchup.

>"Anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it"

An amusing comment.  Obviously, whoever said this must be referring to the
numerous LONG gopherballs given up 'Big Blast' Ben McDonald

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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Organization: NSSL
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.210540.812410@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.173652.22078@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>:In article <1992Aug20.125800.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>:>In article <19801@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>:>> What happens if at the end of the season, three teams are tied for
>:>> first spot for the division. Is this  a possiblity and has this
>:>> ever occured before.
>:>
>:>This has indeed happened before and it was resolved, I believe, by a 
>:>chili cook off among the respective firstbasemen on the three teams...
>:>
>:So who makes the best chili, Mark McGwire, Kent Hrbek, or Frank Thomas?
>:
>
>Andres Gallaraga makes the best chili.  Dal Maxvill knows this.
>
>This explains why Maxvill runs a baseball team and the rest of us don't.
>

Thanks, Warren!  I had been wondering about that and couldn't figure it out.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 20 August)  .225 BA  .351 SLG  .268 OBA
30 H away from .300  8 HBP  8 BB    687+ PA w/o a sacrifice
From: yoda@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Sean Yoda Rouse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: All Cal-League Teams affil. w/ Majors?  What happens to Salinas?
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:08:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug12.152809.6610@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>According to comments from the owner of the San Jose minor league team,
>the new agreement between the majors and the minors guarantees that all the
>of the teams in the California League will have major league affiliations.

Does this statement apply to all of the minors?
In otherwords can there be NO independent minor league teams?

Or does this statement just apply to the California League?

I have to wonder, especially since one California League team,
Salinas is independent and is used as training for players from
Japan.  (I can't remember if theye are just Japanese players who are
developed and then marketed to some team, or if they are players
from a specific team.)

If only all California League teams would have to be affiliated with
a major league club, I would view it as an action to stamp out
Salinas.  On the other hand, if every minor league team had to be
affiliated with a major league team, I'd see it as the majors trying
to stamp out independents.

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