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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:41:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep15.125334.25229@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>But I'll at least cast in my "yea" vote for the glory of classical
>music.  There is a wealth of classical music that deals with Christian
>themes, and some of it ranks with the most inspiring music I've ever
>heard.  Some people listen to Maranatha tapes to get in that worshipful
>mood; I get in the mood by listening to Bach and Mozart and Bruckner.  
>
Amen to that!  

>Those of you who know and love Handel's "Messiah" (just to pick the
>best-known classical Christian music) owe it to yourself to check
>out Bach's "Magnificat" and "Christmas Oratorio" and "Mass in B Minor"
>and "St. Matthew Passion."  And since I'm listing favorites,  I'd
>also highly recommend Beethoven's "Missa Solemnis" and Requiems
>by Mozart, Brahms, Verdi, and Faure.  And on their album "White
>Man Sleeps", Kronos Quartet does an absolutely amazing series of
>variations on "Amazing Grace" written by 20th century composer
>Ben Johnson.  

I agree with the Handel and Bach recommendations.  Also, "Ave Verum"
by Mozart is the most moving piece I know of on the death of Christ;
It's most beautiful in Latin, but the English translations are also
wonderful and give you a sense (if, like me, you're Latin-deprived)
of the meaning.  Sung by a boys' and mens' choir -- there's nothing
like it.

Thanks for the Kronos Quartet tip.  I've liked some of their stuff
(though some of it, admittedly, goes *way* over my head) and will
check it out.



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From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Subject: Re: Intermosh Vol. 5
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.035954.14044@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
>** INTERMOSH **
>    9/10/92
>
>What? Another one right after the last one? Well, so much news rolled in
>the past few days I needed more or else I'd have to write a novel! Here we
>go...

>
>Silas Musicworks (King's X, Galactic Cowboys) introduce you to 2 new
>bands: Atomic Opera and Shadoworld.  Atomic Opera features Len Sonnier,
>brother of the Cowboys' guitarist Dane Sonnier, and Shadoworld features
>Marty Warren and Dale Richardson, who have co-written several of King's X
>tunes.. the Cowboys also have a video finally out for "I'm Not Amused",
>which is getting play on MTV's "Headbangers Ball".. 
>

Does this mean that there are albums available right now, or they will
be?


See Ya,

Steve


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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Tourniquet/Deliverance
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:47:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.124129.11556@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>>In article <mjenkins.716172547@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>>>In <1992Sep11.000320.1370@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>>>
>>>>sort of Christian death metal.  Can't remember the name exactly.  Does anyone
>>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>That's the biggest oxymoron I've seen since "postal service."
>>                    ^^^^^^^^
>
>   I must agree with Michael on this. At least on the level of words  --
>   _Christian_ and _death_ just don't seem to go together -- at least
>   the celebration of death (which is what the term means to the innocent
>   bystander means to someone like myself who has never heard it or knows
>   much about it). 
>   (And NO, I'm not saying anything about chord progresions, style, etc) 
>
>   "OK Christians, let's celebrate sex with dead babies!" Huh?  
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>john r la plante                    graduate student, Ohio State University
>jrl+@osu.edu                        political analysis done while you wait


Huh is right.. you made no sense at all with that one...

The term "death metal" is a secular term describing a form of music made
popular by the group Death (naturally) in 1986... mostly consisting of
extremely low-end guitar, bass and drums with low-end vocals normally
"growled" to emphasize their depth, the music was used as a catalyst to
promote themes in relation to death - in the early forms of death metal
groups such as Death, Obituary and Napalm Death used apocalyptic themes
(mostly from the book of Revelation) to emphasize the doom that will
befall this society...

I'm not necessarily defending their actions.  I'm giving you an historic
overview of the term "death metal".. if you still have problems with the
term, bear in mind that "Rock N Roll" was a sex term and the music was
used at first to convey sexual themes...does that mean we can't have
"Christian Rock N Roll" either? Ask a few dead babies..

Phil

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From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT:  Interpretation
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:17:02 GMT

ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
> >My suggestion:  Learn about textual criticism.  Read commentaries.
> >Become a scholar.
> 
> Wisdom to man is FOOLISHNESS to God.  And the Word of God is GOD'S wisdom.
> So don't even talk to me about becoming a so-called "scholar."

"We don't need no education..." and how, precisely, are you going to determine
what the Word of God -is- without scholarship? "uh, well Vern, God told me so!"
yeah right, pull t'other one. s'got bells on it...

> Oh!  So you think the Holy Spirit needs fifty million translations to perfect
> the Book in the English language?  He wasn't powerful enough to get it right
> in the King James?

well, he obviously couldn't get the NASB or the NIV right, -of course- he's
incapable of making a decent translation in 1611. (see this? my tongue is
firmly in cheek!)

> >minds that think, and provided these source documents for a reason --
> >so that we can insure the accuracy of the word of God.
> 
> "...so that *WE* can..."  ?????

yeah, we're supposed to be aware last time i checked. 

oh, by the way, your argument that "Some scholars are atheists, therefore,
scholarship is not useful for theological discussion" is logical bull pucky.
i know you don't give a flying tangerine, but someone else might notice
& get a chuckle.

jason "no wonder people think the Bible is a fairy tail, what with the
	   way Christians treat it these days, it might as well be..." steiner

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From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Subject: Cindy Morgan
Organization: Micronav International
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:16:11 GMT

I just met Cindy Morgan recently at Kindom Bound '92 and I am now a fan.  
I was wondering if anyone out there knows if she is married?  One of my 
friends says she is, but I didn't think she was.  Can anyone help me out? 
Also, how can I write to her?  Thanks in advance.

Mike Mac Cormack
Micronav International Inc
P.O.Box 1523 / 104 Marine Drive
Sydport Industrial Park,
Sydney, N.S. Canada B1P 6R7
Tel: 902-564-8833      Fax: 902-564-8764
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 01:51:02 -0400 
From: Christina Marie Smith <cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mad At The World: Through The Forest

>Has anyone heard anything about this album?
 
>I saw it earlier in the summer in a list of upcoming releases
>and the date was sometime in August.  I haven't been able to find
>it at Christian Bookstores here.  Has anyone seen this album yet?
 
>If you have heard it, please post a review.
 
Terry was right- it is very similar to Boomerang.  Along with the 50's
thing, they also do a remake of "Mad at the World" which is rather
interesting.  I haven't actually counted, but it seems like they
included more ballads on TTF, some of which are very interesting
lyrically.  If you've followed MATW at all, and have Seasons of Love -
it's really great to hear some of these songs because Roger has gotten
over all of the hurt and anger in Seasons and has fallen in love again
and married someone who he openly expresses his feelings for.  It's
really kind of a sweet little thing to listen to  - but don't get me
wrong, it's not just another sentimental sappy little love album - I
just thought that whole deal was worth mentioning.  
I hope I didn't talk you out of buying it, it's definitely worth buying.
 I just hope this isn't a sign that MATW has fallen into a musical rut,
I think it would be kind of nice to see them regain some of their old
musical style in future albums, but with a different twist.

Chris
From: wgorlitz@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Walter Gorlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mark Heard
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:09:38 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

Steve Murphy (psm@sdc.com) writes:
T-Bone Burrnet(?) and others (I don't know specifically who) will be performing a benefit for Mark's family to help cover the medical expenses. I can ask the guys at True Tunes for info if anyones interested.

I for one would like to hear about this.  I would also like to know if they are planning on travelling with it.  Mark Heard has been one of my favourite artists for many years and I was saddened to hear of his passing.

walter

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From: heidi@moe (Heidi Thompson Ed. Psyc.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael Card on tour with Phil Keaggy???
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Is the Card/Keaggy tour coming to the Atlanta, NE Georgia area?
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CD's for sale, Trade
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:21:38 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

I have 3 CD's that I no longer listen to.  I would prefer to trade them with
someone who might have the following: Michale Card, WhiteCross, Christian Jazz,
Take 6, Mastedon, Bryan Duncan (or suggest something).

The three I have are:

Randy Stonehill 	The Wild Frontier	$7 best

Telarc Digital Samplers I and II, they include
works by :Arnaud, Beethoven, Holst, Ravel, Chopin
Stravinsky, Moussorgsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Orff,
Grainger, Bach, Bizet, Saint-Saens, Tchaikovsky,
Gershwin, Britten, Williams, Prokofiev, Mahler
Wagner, Grofe, Berlioz, Copeland, Pachelbel,
Vivaldi, Debussy, Gliere, Shostakovich, Liszt	$10/both $5 each

Like I said, I'd prefer to trade with someone who has CD's they don't
listen to anymore.  Please respond via E-mail.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:00:58 EST

gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>
> JR 'think for yourself! (sorry, Jason...) jr

heheheheh. i go away for a week & JR steps in to take the flames. thanks.
:^) looks like you're having a good time, i just thought i'd say
apology accepted & have a -nice- time.

glad to see he's not the only one...

jason "Think!" steiner

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:53:34 GMT

In article <JWA.92Sep15021626@vipunen.hut.fi> jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.154123.21206@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>> So here's who won:
>
>> - J. S. Bach
> [stuff deleted]
>
>> On the Christian Music side of things, Cockburn is the undisputed
>> champ with 23 albums.  Next is Mark Heard and Daniel Amos/DA, with
>> seven albums apiece.  
>
>  Well, I always thought Bach wrote Christian music and the very
>  best. At least for me his music opened my heart so the gospel
>  and Jesus could come in.

You're right, of course.  No disrespect intended toward Bach.  

>  (As I have read these articles, the classical Christian music
>  has hardly ever popped up. What could be the reason?)

Just a guess, but for most people on this newsgroup Christian music
seems to be equated with CCM.  Classical music tends to be thought of
as a separate category, although clearly "classical" and "Christian"
are not mutually exclusive. 

But I'll at least cast in my "yea" vote for the glory of classical
music.  There is a wealth of classical music that deals with Christian
themes, and some of it ranks with the most inspiring music I've ever
heard.  Some people listen to Maranatha tapes to get in that worshipful
mood; I get in the mood by listening to Bach and Mozart and Bruckner.  

Those of you who know and love Handel's "Messiah" (just to pick the
best-known classical Christian music) owe it to yourself to check
out Bach's "Magnificat" and "Christmas Oratorio" and "Mass in B Minor"
and "St. Matthew Passion."  And since I'm listing favorites,  I'd
also highly recommend Beethoven's "Missa Solemnis" and Requiems
by Mozart, Brahms, Verdi, and Faure.  And on their album "White
Man Sleeps", Kronos Quartet does an absolutely amazing series of
variations on "Amazing Grace" written by 20th century composer
Ben Johnson.  

>!
>!	Jyrki Wahlstedt
>!		Jyrki.Wahlstedt@hut.fi
>!
>!  Our life is no dream, but it should and will perhaps become one.

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: My opinion on the new Michael W. Smith
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:22:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <mjenkins.716069746@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>Lyrics: Good common sense, biblical values, biblical references.
>That's the MWS I know. In response to the person (can't remember who
>it was) who said this album was full of humanistic values....well, I
>just can't see it.

This I have to agree with - there's some stuff that reminded me of Isaiah -
basically he says 'perfect hair or a perfect face isn't the most important
thing.'  This is very good advice for the audience MWS is shooting for.
(As I understand it, that's teenage girls.)

>And for those who said this was his worst album, I only have one
>question:
>
>  You mean you ENJOYED "The Big Picture"????????????

Uh, yeah, I *really* enjoyed The Big Picture.  It was one of the only
albums I had on tape and re-purchased on CD when I switched to CD's.  My
sister, who is not at all into CCM, likes it better than the rest. And
what's its best feature?  It's fun, but it doesn't have "that 90's beat"!

(I hope we don't have to endure "that 90's beat" for another 8 years - I'm
already quite tired of it...)

Adios,
  Logan
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From: wdavid@unf6.unf.edu (Bill David)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Night of Joy
Summary: anyone? anyone?
Date: 6 Sep 92 07:30:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

Anybody out there in net.land heading to Night of Joy on Sept 11 & 12 
down at Disney?

-Bill
wdavid@unf6.cis.unf.edu
 
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's "Ask Me"
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:33:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.154240.13442@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:
>I think if you look at the lyrics they're rather disjointed.  First she's
>running to her room and sleeping with the light on (as a grown woman) and then
>almost immediately she's found "peace", healed by the Lord.  I appreciate
>Amy's attempt to tackle a "tough subject", but I think she's painting an
>inaccurate picture of the pain sexual assault victims go through, even after
>counseling, even as a Christian.  I'm not particularly fond of the song.

At first I thought the lyrics were a bit disjoint, also. I've come to the 
conclusion, though, that they are focussed more on process than outcome, and,
therefore, reasonably accurate. They also beg several questions, intentionally,
I believe, to raise the point that there are no easy answers.

MHO,

Topher
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From: cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christina Marie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mike Knott / LSU / Lifesavers
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:40:03 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I just bought LS Underground (yet another name change) and haven't yet
had time to fully appreciate it, but from the few listens I've given it,
I'll try to shed some light for you.  Basically, the whole album follows
a plot - it's about some orange pickers who are led astray and begin to
follow the grape picker.  This sounds kind of silly, but it's actually
based on something that really happened to Michael Knott and some of his
friends who were deceived by a false prophet.  Musically, it's not very
similar to poplife, but there are a few songs that kind of contain that
"happy little jingley-stuff" in poplife.  I think it's a little bit
closer in sound to poplife than Screaming Brittle Siren (Michael's
solo).  SBS is more similar to This is the Healing (the LSU release that
came out at the same time as poplife).  In it, Michael explores his
vocal abilities more (those great wails and squeals that give LSU that
distinctive sound) and also does more experimental stuff than he does
with LSU (including violins and stuff).  They're both very good,
creative projects and it's hard to say which is better - but I would say
that "The Grape Prophets" is closer to  poplife,  if that's what you're
looking for.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Tourniquet/Deliverance
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:34:28 GMT

In article <mjenkins.716172547@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>In <1992Sep11.000320.1370@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>
>>sort of Christian death metal.  Can't remember the name exactly.  Does anyone
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>That's the biggest oxymoron I've seen since "postal service."
                    ^^^^^^^^

They used to say that about "Christian heavy metal" years ago.

Phil


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Subject: Re: New MWS
From: jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:17:13 -0500
Reply-To: jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

>In article <1992Sep3.161027.2931@wheaton.wheaton.edu> rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
>
>I am sick of hearing from holyer than thou types who think that If the lyrics 
>aren't a fundamentalist sermon, then an album is worthless and should be 
>shunned. This criteria basically translates to : "If it would minister to a 
>monk, then it can be called good and acceptable, it is worthy of the name CCM"
>This black and white thinking is the sort of stuff that keeps certain
>christians locked off from the world and makes them impotent to spread the
>Christian message.

I have to agree with you wholeheartedly, it seems to me some people in this
group think a "Christian" artist has to have the words, "Jesus", "God", and
"Holy Spirit" spewing forth from the tape to be good and Christian.  Let's try
and be a little more open minded and accepting of others work.  
>
>And overmore, the criticism of CYW is totally invalid. The lyrics of this 
>album, in toto, could be an inspired, even fundamentalist sermon.

I have to agree with you here as well.  My wife and I just bought the tape this
weekend and I love it both lyrically and musically.  

As far as the criticism of Smitty crossing over into the secular market I just
have to say, remember Christ crossed racial boundaries to reach out and touch
lives, why can't Smitty cross the boundaries in music to touch the lives.
>
>OPen your mind, and relax...

Yes, please open your mind.  E-mail welcome.

In Him,

Mark
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What makes music "Christian"?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:39:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep9.034651.7613@ucunix.san.uc.edu> tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth) writes:
[Lots of totally excellent stuff deleted]

>  And one thing that should be noted is that God DOES occasionally
>speak through the unsaved to the saved.  I can get specific references
>if you'd like, but God sometimes used the actions/words of pagan rulers
>to communicate things to His people throughout Scripture and there's no
>indication that he's stopped. 

I first became interested in Christ through the musical "Jesus Christ
Superstar."  It's easy to watch it now and see all kinds of warped
stuff in it, but there's no doubt that it was instrumental in drawing
me to Christ and to salvation.  One could argue that it isn't totally
secular, but in some ways it's worse:  it's a bastardization of the
gospel.  Still, it's what God used to first open my eyes.  He is truly
more creative than I usually give him credit for.


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