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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Startup.cmd does not run
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:07:51 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Nov10.000632.26788@nuscc.nus.sg> nbl@solomon.technet.sg (Ng Beng Lim) writes:
>The startup.cmd batch file does not run automatically everytime I start up.
>It seems to behave very eratically.  Sometimes I use Alt-CTRL-DEL,
>sometimes, Shutdown, but in any case, there are instances when the 
>startup.cmd is not executed.
>I am running HPFS.

Very strange.

However, the Startup Folder (located in OS/2 System) now supplants
STARTUP.CMD.  You can create a program object (even one pointing to a
CMD file) and drag a shadow of it to the Startup Folder.

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From: terryr@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Terry Robison)
Subject: How I set up 70 Hz Video
Summary: How I got 70 Hz out of my Tseng
Keywords: How I finally got my Tseng to work at 70 Hz
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:49:50 GMT

Hello,
	Thanks to all who replied to my earlier post - I could not get
my TSENG Card to work non-interlaced until I had this idea.  I had
all the switches set correctly tried SVGA OFF then dmode 38 70  - 
and then svga on, it still remained interlaced.

	First - get a disk make a subdirectory OS/2 on it.

	Copy SVGA.EXE and DMODE.COM to that dir on the flopply.

	Boot up DOS, CD to you OS/2 dir on your floppy

	Run SVGA OFF

	Then DMODE 38 70

	Then SVGA ON

	SVGA seems to work only in a subdirectory called OS/2.

	Now, start OS/2 via flopply - (MAKE BACKUPS OF YOUR SVGADATA.PMI,
JUST IN CASE).  Copy you new configuation files from your floppy to your
hard drive (in the OS/2 Dir).  Now restart your system as normal.

	Guess what - I finally had 1024 x 768 working at 70 Hz.  Looks
great.  This worked on my system - so do not blame me if it messes up
your system.  I just thought I would share an idea that worked.

		Terry

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: reisert@sttng.mlo.dec.com (Jim Reisert)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Magazine ....  hello.....
Reply-To: reisert@sttng.mlo.dec.com (Jim Reisert)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation -- Maynard, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:42:03 GMT


Do you mean OS/2 Monthly?  If so, I wrote to cancel my
non-subscription, and I got a phone message (while I was out) saying
that they were late, and had just switched publishers, and it would be
several weeks before the next issue came out.  This was earlier this
week, so don't expect to see anything before December.

- Jim

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From: someday@hardy.u.washington.edu (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: WPS can't find WinMail 2.1 icon
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:56:08 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I'm running Microsoft Mail 2.1c for Windows in seamless, and it works
fine except the WPS desktop can't find the icon.  I've got the program
object set up correctly (it does work) but the icon is the default
double-hung window instead of a mail slot picture.  It's as if OS/2
looks in WINMAIL.EXE and can't find the icon resource.

Strangely, though, if I start WIN-OS/2 full-screen, then it DOES pick
up the icon correctly when making a program item.  This is really
weird.  I've never seen any other Windows programs that the WPS has
any problem with.

Maybe this is part of the explanation, but I *think* WinMail 2.1c is a
Windows 2.X compatible program.  At least the general look'n'feel of
the interface and controls feels 2.X-ish.  I don't believe it was even
written by Microsoft.

So is this some known problem?  Anybody else seen it?  Thanks...

Scott Johnson
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From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
Subject: Re: bad 256 color palette in Win apps
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:48:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.232151.21173@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <vpsoc.721479757@manning> vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>>I have a wierd problem.  When I load an image with Paint Shop Pro or
>>WinJpeg, the color palette is fine.  When I use os2gif, pmgif, viewgif,
>>or corel-paint the palette is screwed, as in whited out or funky blue
>>and green all over.  Of course, when PSP or WinJpeg is in the foreground,
>>the image in the offending programs becomes correct.
>>Is there some way to deal with this?
>>BTW, I have an ET4000 and the new CSD.
>
>Try IMShow, which has just been released to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu via
>anonymous ftp.  This is the first of the GIF/image viewers which have
>implemented palette management.  The program is currently in
>/pub/uploads, but it should be moved shortly.

I downloaded a program called Galleria from the OS/2 Shareware BBS last night 
and it is *real* nice.  Much nicer than WinGIF or anything I've used on any
other platform.  The problem is that it, too, shows any 256 color GIFs in
a lousy 16 colors.  It recognizes the specs of any given pic (it also does Win
and OS/2 BMP, TIFF, EPS, Macpaint, PCX) and shows them in an info bar at
the bottom of the window.  It shows whatever.gif, 800x600, 247 colors, but
onscreen the damn thing shows up in 16.  This happens on both XGA and on 
the new Tseng et4000 drivers, both in 1024x768x256.

Why is this???
From: djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Don Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: TE/2 question (was Re: Try this (I *LOVE* OS/2 2.x) ...)
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:22:03 GMT
Organization: R.I.T.
Originator: djs6015@ultb

In article <yuan1.721062755@husc10> yuan1@husc10.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
}A related question (perhaps)....I just tried out TE/2 and have been quite
}pleased EXCEPT that I changed the terminal text to white on blue characters,
}but when I run under VT100 mode, when the screen clears it changes back
}to white on black characters.  Is this a VT100 emulation problem, or am
}I just doing something wrong?

Yes, you are. Try reading the documentation for your COMMPAK2.DLL. There
is a doc file called (something like) cpk2_102.doc that shows you how
to configure the default VT100 colors. What you end up doing it adding a
line or two to your CONFIG.SYS. It works.




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Subject: How to fix PRODUCT.EXE problem n 12th disk!!! 
From: mgjones@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu (Mike Jones)
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:31:34 -0500
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Tim DiLauro (timmo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov6.183742.22769@kum.kaist.ac.kr> jhlee@rose.handy.co.kr (Lee Joo Hee) writes:
: >asks for 12th disk I put it into my disk driver. Install program reads
: >well but it generates an error related with "A:FIX\OS2\PRODUCT.EXE" and
: >it displays only log message. When I reboot my computer, OS/2 doesn't seem
: >to work correctly.
: >	Is there any solution?
: 
: above.  The solution was to reinstall the GA without the secondary display,
: install any other non-video drivers, and then install the ServicePak.

Save yourself from reinstalling!  Just edit your CONFIG.SYS on your hard
drive, look near the bottom where you can see the video drivers, and remove
the references to your second adapter (usually pretty easy to see, for
example, I had a Monochrome/Printer Adapter as a second display, so the
drivers ended in MPA (before the extension, like xxxxMPA.SYS or whatever).
There was 2 references to my secondary display in my config.sys.

Then run the CSD install, and it should finish with no problem.  If that
fails, THEN reinstall GA and try it.

---
Mike "Felix" Jones
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From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: Executable Flag
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:16:23 GMT

Amen, brother, Amen!
From: djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Using FIND (Re: Icon editing and attachment)
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:16:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

> ... find starts at the OS2
>Desktop directory and *not* at a user definable dir.
>Problem is I can't find a way to change that and I don't
>like to put user thingies in system directories.

Select FIND, then punch the LOCATE button at the top of the page. You
can set drives, paths, and other parameters there.

--David
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: bad 256 color palette in Win apps
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:21:51 GMT

In article <vpsoc.721479757@manning> vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>I have a wierd problem.  When I load an image with Paint Shop Pro or
>WinJpeg, the color palette is fine.  When I use os2gif, pmgif, viewgif,
>or corel-paint the palette is screwed, as in whited out or funky blue
>and green all over.  Of course, when PSP or WinJpeg is in the foreground,
>the image in the offending programs becomes correct.
>Is there some way to deal with this?
>BTW, I have an ET4000 and the new CSD.

Try IMShow, which has just been released to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu via
anonymous ftp.  This is the first of the GIF/image viewers which have
implemented palette management.  The program is currently in
/pub/uploads, but it should be moved shortly.

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From: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Subject: Redbook on Printing: Missing from Hobbes?
Reply-To: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul)
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:46:51 GMT

I recently downloaded the four files of the Redbook from Hobbes,
and upon closer examination found that there are actually five
volumes in the set. 

The volume on Printing seems to be missing from the set on Hobbes.

Does anyone know why this is, and if it is just an oversight (I mean,
if IBM would have no objections), maybe someone from within Big Blue
who has access to the appropriate *.inf file could put it up there?

I also want to take this opportunity to thank all those who contribute
information, programs, and especially the labor of maintaining it,
to the archive on hobbes. It has made my start with OS/2 much easier,
since I have been unable to connect to our local IBM OS/2 BBS here in 
Austria (too few lines!).

A big hand also to Mr. Sipples whose FAQ has also made things easier.
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: New beta HP DeskJet printer drivers!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:32:21 GMT


Over the weekend I found out about, and down loaded the new beta drivers
for the HP DeskJet line of printers up to the 550C.

The first thing that should be said is THANK YOU.  I did not see any names
or such, but I hope you read the net.  

The second thing is comments.  I assume, since these are beta drivers, the
programmers would like feedback, so here goes.(No criticsm intended, the work
is greatly appreciated.)


1.  The 550c was included as a device, but some of the functunality 
    (at least it's best feature, the ability to use
    both a black and color cartridge at once) is not included.  I assume this
    is due to the recent release of the 550c and that it was included in the
    driver at the last minute.  Too me this is a sign that there are plans
    to support it.  I look forward to future beta/regular releases of the
    driver.

2.  Most of the printer drivers ask if you would like to install a windows
    version of the driver.  This one did not.  In general this should not
    be a concern since most people probably have the windows driver that came
    with the printer, but at least for me the driver HP supplied for windows
    does not agree with win-os2+AMI PRO and more than one page of color.

3.  I found a picture in Draw for OS/2 that does not print correctly on my
    setup.  In this picture, there is a filled rectangle that when printed is
    only filled up to the diagonal.  If the authors of the driver would like
    the sample I would be more than happy to make it available to them.
    (This was Draw for OS/2 from Micrografx)  If I selected the rectangle
    for printing, i.e. 'print selection' it printed fine, but if I printed
    the entire page it messed it up, along with some of the other graphics.

4.  The color gradients are not as smooth for the OS/2 beta driver as they
    are with the windows 550c driver(when it works).  When printing the same
    picture in Draw for Windows using the Windows driver and Draw for OS/2
    using the new driver, the Windows driver gives a smoother change(gradient)
    from one color/shade to another.  I haven't tried all of the settings, but
    I did use presentation quality for both.

5.  Overall, I applaud(sp??) the new drivers.  They seem to be stable and
    have improved the black printing tremendously.  Anyone who has a DeskJet
    would probably be well served to get the beta drivers.  They make me 
    believe that IBM is listening to the net and the concerns of the users
    because this was a weak point for many of us.
    (I just wish HP's 550c drivers were as stable under win-os2, the 500c
     HP drivers worked great.)



The drivers are on watson, I have forgotten what directory.  I would like to
hear comments from other people using the new drivers.  Also, I would like
to hear from anyone else with a 550c concerning how it works with the HP
drivers in win-os2.

Thanks,

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
550C
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Incredible Growing Swapfile problem
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:22:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: maelstrom.berkeley.edu


I just wanted to get something straight in my mind...

The swapper file is called, swapper.dat right?

The reason I'm asking is because people seem to have huge swapper.dat after
installing a background.... or having a huge swapper.dat after installing
the CSD over the GA...

I've done both of the above and my swapp file has always sat around
2 megs.... (this is with procomm+ and wordperfect (dos) both open
in separate dos windows...)  and yes, it does grow if i open up enough
applications....

i'm using a 486/33 w/ 12 megs of ram...

anyone w/ similiar experiences?


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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: post-CSD disk performance
Keywords: DOS disk performance
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Nov9.165642.25878@qucis.queensu.ca> nordin@qucis.queensu.ca (Brent Nordin) writes:
>I installed the CSD last week on a Dell 310 (386DX-20,8MB RAM),240MB spread over
>2 ESDI drives, 2 FAT partitions and 1 HPFS partition.  I had occasion to
>delete a subdirectory containing about 110 files, with an average size of
>1k bytes.  The operation seemed very slow, so I did some further testing.
>The files were all on one of the FAT partitions.
>Native DOS, delete 110 files < 2 secs
>OS2 window                     18 secs
>DOS window under OS2           3 minutes, 10 seconds!!!
>The windows under OS2 were not full-screen.  The timings are repeatable, even
>after a reboot.  The deldir option in the OS2 config.sys file is commented
>out, so the delete should only be deleting and not copying.  The OS2 figures,
>especially the dos window ones are clearly not acceptable.  I also have the
>impression that my system is swapping more than it was before I installed the
>CSD, but that is a purely subjective data point.  I have no pre-CSD figures
>for the delete operation, so OS2 may always have been a poor performer in that
>area.

Check to make sure that DELDIR in \AUTOEXEC.BAT is not unREM'med.

I would also check cache settings in CONFIG.SYS.  DISKCACHE controls
the FAT cache size (and whether lazy writes are enabled).

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From: rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Where is GNUS
Keywords: gnu os2
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:57:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ldp.1992Nov11.175714.11050
Reply-To: rolfe@ldp.com
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions

I can't seem to find GNUS anywhere on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  Can someone give me  
a pointer?

Rolfe

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From: kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Questions about OS2
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:12:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I'm looking into buying the beta version of OS2 and I would like
someone to tell me about the pros and cons of the OS.  I have
4 megs RAM and 128K cache and plenty of HD space on a 40MHz 386.

Any limitations or suggestions as to hardware improvement?

Thanks


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From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: Re: POSSIBLE CSD PROBLEM - UPDATE..
Keywords: CSD PROBLEM
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:27:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.120030.23@idx.com> gsk@idx.com writes:

> -- UPDATE on my CSD WARNING
> 
> It seems that the CSD attempts to update ALL versions of OS/2 that it
> can find. I see it going after files in BOTH areas.

In other words, the ServicePak is behaving exactly as described in the
accompanying README file.  You should have read that before running up
the red flag.
From: gonorth@cs.montana.edu (Spicher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Incredible Growing Swapfile problem
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:13:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Nov13.011334.15162
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <4356@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> rvaniwaa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ronald J. Vaniwaarden) writes:
>In article <BxL1G2.FCx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bradshaw@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes:
>>Well, it seems after the CSD I know how the wonderful incredible growing
>>swapfile problem and deleting the swapfile doesn't work. Nothing seems to
>>be mentioned in the README file. The problem isn't that it grows, at this
>>time I am running Os/2 Kermit ONLY and its 8MB. It started at 4mb. If I close
>>and reopen application it grows rather than reusing the swapfile. It will
>>continue until there is 2mb left on the drive (at 13mb) in my 8mb machine.
>>I was fine under the GA and Beta.
>>
>
>I am experiencing exactly the same problem.  I have 16mb of ram and have my
>swapfile start at 1mb.  After going for about two hours with several programms
>starting and ending, I had a swapfile at about 10mb.  I closed _all_
>applications except for pmshell (two instances) and harderr.  I left the
>computer for an hour while I went to the store and the swapfile was still
>at the same size.  At times the swapfile will shrink but only very slightly.
>I also was fine before the CSD and had no problems with GA+swapfile patch.
>I have deleted the swapfile many times but to no avail...  Someone help us
>PLEASE!!!!!
>
>--Ronald Van Iwaarden
>



Will IBM be able to put out another fix to cure this?

Daron Spicher


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From: andreast@athena.mit.edu (Andreas Turanski)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Trascan Imitation
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:28:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.013419.19588@colorado.edu> doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight) writes:
>With regard to the whole trashcan business..
>
>My approach may have already been mentioned, but what i did was to 
>make a template trashcan, "tear one off the pad" and when it is 
>full I just shred the whole trashcan. 
>
>I also have a menu item for the trashcan which empties it using the 
>OS/2 delete command. It's a lot of fun watching DINFO's free space shooting
>up :) In fact that's really why i have a trashcan... what a kid..
>
> 
>Douglas

Douglas,
  I've just started following this thread, but your way of doing thing   
seems to take care of most of the problems which everyone else's
implementations are plagued by.  To be specific, if one uses the shredder
to kill the current instance of the trashcan and all of the files within,
then os/2 should take care of properly deleting all of the shadows,
hidden objects, normal objects, whatever!

  The only problem to take care of is actually to REMOVE some
functionality.  The menu item for emptying the trashcan will, until we
figure out how to properly get rid of all of the above-mentioned obj's,
not work correctly so just _remove_this_MAL-functional_functionality_ and
we should have a FULLY functional trashcan.

  Yeah, I know that one has to "tear one off the pad" to replace the
dearly departed most-recently-shredded-trashcan, but hey!  This takes
care of all of our problems so it seems a small price to pay.  If there
are any holes in this idea I would like someone to bring them up.
Otherwise, I think Douglas you have come up with a winning idea, whether
or not you realized it!

WAY-TO-GO!!!
Andreas.
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