HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: guyc@strl.labs.tek.com (Guy Cherry)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Martin Luther and Famous Ancestors
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:33:24 GMT
Organization: STRL, Tektronix, Inc.

My mother's side of the family has a line that goes back to 
one of Martin Luther's sisters.  The line looks like this:

		Hans Luther
	-------------------------
	|			|
Dr. Martin Luther    	Christine Luther m. Hermann Klie
(1483 - 1546)				|
				C. Klie m. N. N. Kehmann
					|
				M. Kehmann m. Z. Kolling (pastor)
					|
				O. Kolling m. P. Falk
					|
				P. Falk (Swedish Major) m. D. Kreydela
					|
				A. Falk m. I. Horn (pastor)
					|
				J. Horn (pastor) m. ? 
					|
				L. Horn (Probst in Beverstedt) m. ?
					|
				C. Horn m. Georg Friedr. Schrader (d. 1830)
					|
				A. Schrader m. C. Hartman
					|
				S. Hartman m. C.F. Bode
					|
					my grandmother Gertrude Bode ...

I have a few questions:

1. I used to think this was not so unique - everyone if you go back 10 generations can find
someone interesting to be related to.  Now I'm not so sure. How frequent is this kind of
lineage? How often are they just made up by someone who found it convenient to be related to
someone famous?  What are some good places to start if one wants to verify this lineage?

2. Does anyone know who the serious Luther scholars are these days.  Evidently little
is known about Luther's (many) siblings and I have found no mention of Christine Luther 
in the few biographys in which I have looked.

3. What is a "Probst"; is there still a Beverstedt?  

3. Of course if anyone recognizes any of the above names write back.  

--Guy Cherry
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:58:39 CST
Reply-To:     David Sanders <david@FRODO.WES.ARMY.MIL>
From:         David Sanders <david@FRODO.WES.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: "lost" library
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

>Can anyone tell me where the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers Waterways
>Experiment Station is?  We have found access to their library's online
>catalog but have no clue as to what kind of collection we are looking
>through!!!
>
>thanks
>Frieda

Hi Frieda (and others),

I happen to work as a contractor at WES (Waterways Experiment Station),
located in Vicksburg, Mississippi.  I'll check with the library staff
here and try to post a summary of what's available online.

David Sanders
david@frodo.wes.army.mil
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: more questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:14:18 GMT

jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:

>I just got a microfilm from the LDS library here in
>Charlottesville,VA.  The info. is very interesting, and
   [...]

>1) How far should I trust this LDS info?

As with anything that I receive from other individuals, I always try to
verify as much as I can.  In the IGI, for example, you may find the
same event listed two or more times with different dates or name
spellings.  Until I can verify which is correct, I tend to go with the
one that most nearly fits what I already have and then mention the
disparity in my notes for later reference.

>2) How does one go about locating family Bibles that
>one has heard about?

Good question.  I remember seeing an index or summary of Bible records
at the Ohio Genealogical Society library last year.  Beyond that, I have no
idea.  Maybe some other folks on this board have some success stories.

>3) How carefully did people in the 18th and 19th centuries
>mark their birthdays?  (I can see how an agrarian culture
>could be relaxed about remember the "exact" year in which
>someone was born, and report it to the census taker
>incorrectly by a year or two at various times.  But I don't
>know if that actually happened.)

I suspect that when it comes to conflicting census information, the
error may be as much from the census taker as from the people
themselves.  I've seen several entries that were later proven to be
incorrect.  As an aside, my grandmother was listed twice in the 1900
census -- once with her parents and once with her grandparents.  I
haven't decided yet exactly what that means; it could mean that she was
staying with the grandparents, or it could mean that she just happened
to be there on the day the census taker visited.

 ========================================================================
 |             Don Wiggins     wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu              |
 |----------------------------------------------------------------------|
 |Researching WIGGINS, STALEY, HALL, BIRKHIMER, MCINTIRE, STEPHENSON,   |
 |REED, COWDEN, ELSON, ALBIN, JENKINS, GREENTREE, PREBLE, TEAGARDEN,    |
 |HUNLEY, (and for my wife): CHANCE, PARK, MUNRO, BRANDON, DIETRICH     |
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From: alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO (Alf Christophersen)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Telephone Search Request: ROUS
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:35:56 GMT
Reply-To: Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO>
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>Rousculp, David E
>2120 Meadowind Ln NE
>Marietta, GA

Before the network is swamped by such messages again.

Flame ON:

The message shown above is perhaps one of the most typical PERSONAL letter
that might be written at all in the world of networks.

Therefore:

Responses that contains full address of people should be sent privately to
the person who requested it, not on the network.

Openly it is only legal on Roots-L to response with how many Rousculp you
find in the directory, not the full name, address and tel. no. You never
knows who is reading the messages! Maybe someone who want to hurt just you
or any of the persons you give the full address of.

(It also will fill the air with messages with interest only to just ONE
person, the person who requested the search. If you, by chance, are also
interested, then perhaps the person who asks is related to you, and then
this would be a nice opportunity to write that specific person and ask if he
could mail you copies of the responses he gets.)

Flame off

Alf Christophersen
Roots-L list owner
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From: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb)
Subject: DAR and SAR (Daughters and Sons of Amer Revolution)
Reply-To: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:52:50 GMT

     I recently discovered an aniversary book for the Ohio
Sons of the American Revolution.  It has someone listed in it as 
being an ancestor of a revolutionary war soldier that I want to 
get more information on.  How do I go about getting the info?

On a somewhat related note: are the DAR and SAR related?
Is the DAR only open to women, and the SAR to men?

If somebody has "gotten in on" a person, somebody else cannot
"get in on" that same person, correct?  If someone got into the 
SAR because of one person, but nobody has yet gotten into the DAR
because of that person, can somebody else get into the DAR using 
this person?

Thanks
Mark Rauschkolb
mrr1@ra.msstate.edu


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KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:

>Can anybody tell me where I can find vital statistics data (marriages,
>births, tax rolls, censuses, *anything*) from the Choctaw region of Indian
>Territory (the southeastern corner) for white settlers, between the period of
>the Civil War and Oklahoma statehood (1865 - 1903)?  Are there any indexes
>published, or territorial censuses?


In 1880 a "census" (actually a listing) of everyone living in
the Indian Territory was taken (by the Cherokees, I think,
and submitted to the U. S. government).  It does not break the list
into family units (but the ordering seems to imply the
units).  Beside each name is given their age and whether they
are native indians (and which tribe), or "adopted white" or
"adopted black."  The listing is organized by districts within
the territory.  I don't recall the name of the book,
but the Texas State Archives (genealogy section) has a copy
with their census index hardcopies.

Hope this helps!

N. Shirlene Pearson
pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
From: mjr@planet.bt.co.uk (Martyn Reason)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: St Catherine's House
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:39:24 GMT
Reply-To: mjr@planet.bt.co.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

I have just started charting my family tree, and I am thinking of visiting 
St Catherine's House some time in the near future.

Can anyone give me an idea of how it works; how get the most of my time there;
does it cost anything - or anything it would be advisable for me to know
before I go there.

Thanks
-- 
---
Martyn Reason                           email: Martyn.Reason@planet.bt.co.uk
DND4, SCE & IN Applications Section     Tel: +44 473 646779
British Telecom Labs.                   Fax: +44 473 231285
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:05:58 EST
Reply-To:     "Lois C. Severt" <LCSEVE01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         "Lois C. Severt" <LCSEVE01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Re: SAR

Head, On-line Records Cataloging
PHONE: 588-6756

For answers to your questions you might try:

National Society, Sons of the American Revolution
Genealogy Library
1000 S. Fourth Street
Louisville, Ky.  40203
(502) 589-1776
(502) 589-1671 FAX


--------

Lois C. Severt
Univ. of Louisville
lcseve01@ulkyvm
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: SHIFLETT/GREENLEE Surnames
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:56:38 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan12.203906.14468@nntpserver.chevron.com> tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul G. Wright) writes:
>
>  I am interested to hear from anyone doing research on:
>
>      SHIFLETT - from the Stanardsville, VA area. The specific line is that 
>connected with Carson Lafayette or Ira Shiflett (or Shifflett or....). Moved 
>to Iowa circa 1860.
>
>       GREENLEE - from Greeneville, Greene Co., TN area. Specifically a John 
>Burton Greenlee, born about 1825. Moved to Iowa circa 1860.


Melvyl suggest one hit.... one author... Librarian of the same name


1.
Author: Greenlee, Ralph Stebbins, 1838-
Title:  Genealogy of the Greenlee families in America, Scotland, Ireland
and England : with ancestors of Elizabeth Brooks Greenlee and
Emily Brooks Greenlee : also, genealogical data on the
McDowells of Virginia and Kentucky / by Ralph Stebbins
Greenlee and Robert Lemuel Greenlee. Chicago, Ill. : Priv.
print., 1908.
Description:    744 p. [117] leaves of plates, 1 folded : ill., coats of
arms,
facsims., geneal. table, ports.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G2803.

Doc Numbers:    Stock No.:      CL0086000014 University Microfilms
International

Notes:  Includes indexes.
Microfiche. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
International, 1988. 10 microfiches ; 11 x 15 cm.

Subjects:       Greenlee family.
Brooks family.
McDowell family.
Greenlee, Michael, 1700-1788.

Other entries: Greenlee, Robert Lemuel, 1838-

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G2803

9.
Author: Shiflett, Lee.
Title:  Bookman's guide to Americana / by Lee Shiflett. 10th ed.
Metuchen, N.J. : Scarecrow Press, 1991.
Description:    x, 514 p. ; 22 cm.

Notes:  Rev. ed. of: Bookman's guide to Americana / J. Norman Heard and
Charles F. Hamsa. 9th ed. 1986.

Subjects:       Out-of-print books -- Bibliography -- Catalogs.
America -- Bibliography -- Catalogs.

Other entries: Heard, J. Norman (Joseph Norman), 1922- Bookman's guide to
Americana.

Call numbers:   UCD     Main LibE18 .S5 1991 Hum/SS Ref

10.
Author: Shiflett, Orvin Lee.
Title:  Origins of American academic librarianship / by Orvin Lee
Shiflett. Norwood, N.J. : Ablex Pub. Corp., c1981.
Description:    xxii, 308 p. ; 24 cm.

Series: Libraries and librarianship.

Notes:  Includes index.
Bibliography: p. 279-300.

Subjects:       Library science -- Vocational guidance -- United States.
College librarians -- United States.
Library education -- United States.

Call numbers:   UCB     LibSchLib Z668 .S52

Another librarian might know where to find him....

TOm
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From: debbie@execu.execu.com (Debbie Klinksiek)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: TX and MO
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:08:21 GMT
Organization: Comshare, Inc. Austin Development Center

In article <ROOTS-L%93010608551286@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Sharon L Palmateer <ASDSLP@ALBNYVM1.BITNET> writes:
>Happy New Year Rooters and Friends!
>
>Could some kind soul in Texas help me with the correct address to write
>for my grandfather's birth certificate?  He was born in Belton, TX on
>October 22, 1897.

Texas Dept. of Health
Vital Statistics
1100 West 49th
Austin, TX 78756-3191

Include:
 $11 (check or money order - non refundable)
 name and date of birth
 your return address and telephone number to reach you between 8-5 CDT

When I talked to the lady for this info, she said they may not have the
birth record.  They did not start keeping all records until 1903.  In case
you want to call, the number is (512)458-7111.  However a written request
is required to get the birth certificate or start a search.

Good luck.
======================================
Debbie Klinksiek | debbie@comshare.com
======================================
Researching Klinksiek,Kirchhoff,Weiershausen,Flick,Kuhlmann,Boos,Ochs,
Ransleben,Baethge,Ernst families who emigrated from Germany to Texas
between 1845 and 1876.
From: bg055@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stewart Rowe)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Returned Messages
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:57:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The problem with the "returned messages" is that Tri-State Online,
the Cincinnati Freenet, is in a pile. The owner, Cincinnati Bell, 
moved the system to a new machine and is having lots of programming
problems, including loss of access to Internet.
  Patience, everyone.
-Stewart Rowe usr2210a@cbos.uc.edu   srowe@igc.org
From: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul G. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: POWER Surname
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul G. Wright)
Organization: Chevron Petroleum Technology Company


  I am interested in hearing from anyone doing research on the name of POWER 
(no S at the end). The family, as far back as I know, came from Monongahela 
(sp?), PA. This was mid-to-late 1800's.

  Thanks in advance.

Paul Wright - Information Systems
E-MAIL: tpgwr@chevron.com
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:00:33 EST
Reply-To:     Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Language peculiarities

  A recent posting mentioned English lacking many terms to describe
relationships, terms that may exist in other languages. I believe
the example was that we have no name for a sister-in-law's brother--
or something like that.

  It's always struck me as curious that we have the term "namesake"
but no reciprocal word. As the 3rd Joseph Hogue Gardner, I am
my uncle's namesake, and he his grandfather's namesake. But we
have no word for what my uncle is to me or what my g'grandfather
was to him. Namegiver? But that implies he did the actually
naming. Namesource? Sounds awkward to me.

  Far as I know, neither French nor Latin, the only other languages
I have any acquaintance with has such a word. Is there any tongue
that does?
From: mmjjmm@post.its.mcw.edu (Michael Malloy)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Genealogical databases
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:09:01 -0600
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin  (Milwaukee, WI)
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Is anyone aware of any genealogical databases accessible thru Internet?  I
had heard that the Morman Church was developing a database, has anyone
heard of any progress?

-- 
Michael J. Malloy
Medical College of Wisconsin           Truth is a Virus
mmjjmm@post.its.mcw.edu

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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 10:08:57 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
              DIRECTOR SUNY HSC LIB.,SYRACUSE"'s message of Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:33:00 EDT
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Repeat messages
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

"SUZANNE H. MURRAY,
              DIRECTOR SUNY HSC LIB.,SYRACUSE" <MURRAYS@SNYSYRV1.BITNET> writes:

>       Today I received several messages which began with a heading  that
> began with a message   Mail Server full not sent  or  something to that
> affect.   The message is given and it is a message that I received 2 or 3
> days before.  Are others having this problem?

Yup.  Looks like somebody needs to fix the gateway...we're losing our
subject lines!

JULIE
julie@bones.et.byu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:44:31 EDT
Reply-To:     Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
From:         Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
Subject:      Genealogy Meeting, Acton, MA
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MIDDLESEX CHAPTER
MASSACHUSETTS SOCIETY OF GENEALOGISTS

Program and Business Meeting

Topic:          "Using Old Maps for Genealogical Research"

Speaker:        Vin Vullo, Owner of Menotomy Maps, Acton, MA

Date:           Saturday, January 9, 1:30 pm

Place:          Acton Town Hall Meeting Room
                Rte. 27, Acton, MA

Vin Vullo began collecting old maps 12 years ago when he  became
interested in the maps while researching abandoned New England gold
mines.  This research lead to an interest in local history, old
turnpikes, railroads and genealogy.  In 1990 he  formed his mail-order
old map reprint company Menotomy Maps.  Since then he has been written
up in the Boston Globe, Boston Herald and a national recreation
magazine.

Old maps are used by genealogists to find the locations of ancestorsU
homes, property owned by ancestors, churches, cemeteries, and
businesses.  They are useful for identifying place names and boundaries
that have changed, to determine early transportation routes, and to
locate early settlements.  Vin will identify many types of old maps and
will tell us where to find old maps.

The Middlesex Chapter of the Massachusetts Society of Genealo gists is
an organization of amateur, family and professional genealogists who
meet to exchange information about family history research.  Chapter
meetings are held on the second Saturday afternoon of each month (except
July and Au gust) in various Middlesex County cities and towns.

        There is NO admission charge and everyone is welcome.

Directions:  The Acton Town Hall is located next to the Acton Memorial
Library and across the street from the large obelisk/flagpole on Rte 27
in the center of Acton, MA.  The Acton Town Hall is 1.3 miles south of
Rte. 2A and 1.0 mile north of Rte. 2 on Rte. 27.  At the Town Hall turn
west onto Woodbury Lane and park immediately behind the building or
about a quarter mile further down Woodbury Lane on the right to a second
parking lot.

Bob Oliphant
oliphant@bbn.com

**Researching OLIPHANT, DAVIDSON, STRANAGHAN, HORTON, MAY, MILLER**
****GEIST, ROHRBACH, ALLEN, PORTER, BEARDSLEY, CANTLEY, CROSLEY****
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In article <42961@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.110924.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu>
berkovej@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>>I understand that there is no accepted Anglisized name for Vaclav.  Is this
>>true?

>I'm not sure of Vaclav, but I know one Czech whose original name is
>Honza, and another whose is Jan, and their English-speaking friends
>call them John.

>Jan    =   John
>Honza  =   John

St. Vaclav has been referred to in English as St. Wenceslaus, so this
could pass for an Anglisized version of that name even though it is not
very common.  Also "Honza" is not a proper name:  it is a nickname for
Jan.  "Honza" frequently pops up in Czech fairy tales as the
stereo-typical village youth who may not be wise in the ways of the world
but in the end comes through by saving the princess from the dragon.  The
nickname probably comes from the German "Hans" for John, but that's just a
speculation.  Regards,

Kamil Synek
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Am I Doing This Right? (was: Re: Royalty GedCom, etc.)
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:56:06 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan5.171931.9583@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:
>Last February, I flew my entire side of the Leihy clan (ten of us) from
>New Jersey back to Kansas City, Kansas, for my parents' 50th wedding
>anniversary celebration.

>Finally, the POINT:  Am I way off base in trying to build a collection of
>names connected to myself (and my wife), as opposed to devoting more of
>my/our energy to ascertaining my DIRECT ancestors in as much detail as
>possible??  I really have derived a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction in
>just visiting with relatives that I've never seen before (and will probably
>never see again), hearing their stories, and recording what I can -- FTJ
>does have a neat narrative section where each person's activities can
>be documented.

Well... I'm a pathologist... and my old Professor, Harry S. N. Greene
(I can't remember what the S is but N is for Nutting... all Rhode Island)

... and being an ordinary cuss.. and opposed to narrowmindedness on
principle (except he always voted the straight democratic ticket ...
after giving every candidate careful consideration)

he used to define Pathology for us young pathologists as:
"Whatever a Pathologist is interested in.."

Always think of him at Christmas time. This is my homage to him.

IF you don't want to call it genealogy, call it pathology.

Tom
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From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: BK newsletter?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:41:50 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

The most recent issue of the Bay Area Genealogical Society (Wisc.) 
newsletter noted that there is a newsletter for Brother's Keeper users:
BK Times
501 E. 63rd N. Sioux #12
Wichita, KS 67219-1213
$10.50/year

Does anyone have a subscription?  What is in the newsletter?  How many
times a year is it published, how many pages? Do you like it?  Should
I get it :)

Thanks,

Julie
paque@pangea.stanford.edu

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