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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Great idea but....
Keywords: Pathetic snivelling
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:28:32 GMT

In article <hersh.715967797@xenon.lcs.mit.edu> hersh@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Jay Hersh) writes:
>


>> BTW, again... just how does one get bacterial infection during mashing.  Most 
>> of us do this at or above pasturization temperature and then boil afterwords.

>I believe that pasteurization temps are 180F, now you don't really mash
>at or above these temps Jack?? I think you meant that you boil above these
>temps.

I am sure someone will jump in and streighten this out but I was always
under the impression that pasteurization (I will trust your spelling) temp
was 150F.  I use 180 just to shorten the time when pasteurizing apple juice
and fruits but I think the dairy industry, for example, uses 150.

>> We all can and do make excuses for our lousy beer and most of us can take it 
>> in stride.  But you, my friend, are truly pathetic.   The next thing I expect 
>> to hear from you is that you trashed your MALTMILL and converted one of those 
>> Italian pasta makers, to really show me.
 

>
>It has nothing to do with showing anyone anything Jack, My mill is not
>a converted past maker, it is and always was deisgned for crushing grain,
>I just modified it to make it more efficient for crushing barley for 
>brewing vs. crushing a range of grains for making Muesli. And the 
>lowdown is $$ this mill was $40 cheaper than your mill.


a
My you are sensitive.  What makes you think I was referring to your
mill.  When I first join this forum, there was an ongoing discussion
about modifications needed to make a pasta mashine crush malt.  My
contribution what that I tried it and destroyed mine.  I have no
idea what the Molino gizzmo is intended for but I WAS referring to
pasta makers.

js
From: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Nathan Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Vacuum Filtration
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:18:32 EDT
Organization: 5 Sigma Software
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I've got access to some large filter flasks and Buchner filter funnels. 
I've wondered whether what the effect of sucking brew through an F
or UF filter might be.  Any comments?

I'm also trying to persuade a buddy of mine to spring for the big
rotor for his centrifuge so I can, just incidentally, swing a few pints 
of chilled beer, or maybe mead, but that's another story. ... :-)

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From: zen@hophead (Nick Zentena)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: aluminum brew kettle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:34:39 EDT
Reply-To: zen%hophead@canrem.com (Nick Zentena)
Organization: The Hop Head Saloon

arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

> 
> Well, I guess I have to break more bad news.  Most bird lovers are
> aware of the evils of the new teflon like coating on pans but few
> other people have even heard of the problem.  If you heat one of these
> pans in the presence of a caged bird , it will die by the time the temp
> in the pan gets to about 300F.  What happens to humans in the same room
> one can only conjecture but I have switched back to cast iron.. oops ..
> just go a heart murmer.
> 

        Thats interesting. Last year it was reported that
        burning Teflon at high temps[way above 300F] would
        produce a kind of lethal gas. It was suggest this
        would be a cheap and easy agent for certain
        countries.
        Nick

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I drink Beer I don't collect cute bottles!
zen%hophead@canrem.com
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From: gsw@thebrewery.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Christmas Brew
Date: 10 Sep 1992 16:44:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Here's one I just made last weekend. I wouldn't wait much longer to get 
started! I basically took a look at many recipes in the cats meow and
zymergy and created the follwoing. It may be a bit heavy on the hops,
but I like it that way and there are lots of fermentables and time to
mellow before xmas.

Brew on Garth!


DATE: 9/5/92

NAME: Winters Tavern Winter Ale

INGREDIENTS: 

	7 lbs. Alexanders Pale Malt Extract
	20 oz. Clover Honey
	1 lb. British Cara-Pils
	1 lb. Crystal (40L)
	2 lbs klages 2-row (for partial mash of cara-pils)
	1/4 lb. Chocolate Malt

	1/2 oz. Chinook  Pellets 12% (60 min boil)
	1/2 oz. Cascade Leaf 7% (30 min boil)
	1 oz.   Hersbrucker Plugs 2.9% (30 min boil)
	1/2 oz. Hersbrucker Plugs 2.9% (10 min steep)
	1/2 oz. Hersbrucker Plugs 2.9% (2 min steep)
	1/2 oz. Cascade Leaf 7% (Dry hopped in secondary)

	3 3" Cinnimon Sticks
	1 Tsp. Whole Cloves
	1 Tsp. Ground Alspice
	2 oz. Grated Fresh Ginger
	6 Pods of Cardamom - Slightly Crushed
	Rind of 5 Oranges - No bitter white stuff!!
	
	Wyeast American Ale


BREWING NOTES:

	Performed partial mash of cara-pils, crystal & klages as described 
	in TCJOHB. Added all other fermentables and brought to a rolling boil.
	Added hops as indicated as well as all spices for the last 10 minutes
	of the boil. Cooled in ice bath for approx. 30 minutes before 
	moving to bucket with 2 gals. cold water to reduce oxidation.
	Let sit for 1 hour and then racked off trub into primary. 
	(Spices, etc. included in the primary fermenter.)
	Pitched approx. 1 liter yeast starter, attached blow-off tube and
	had a cold one. Later realized I had best watch for the blow-off
	tube to get clogged with all those orange peels and such in there,
	but did not have any problems. Smells heavenly and should have just
	the proper aging time to mellow the spices and hops by xmas.
	(I may have added more hops than I should have, but I just couldn't
	resist, as I just love the taste.) With any luck I will have a nice
	balanced and very complex brew...


OG: 1060
SG: Don't know yet...

PRIMARY FERMENTAION TIME: 1 week			TEMP: 68

SECONDARY FERMENTATION TIME: Plan on two weeks		TEMP: 66-68


TASTING NOTES:
	
	Have to let you know around xmas -;)
From: sstrong@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Questions for anyone...  Anyone?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:15:56 GMT

Hello All,  I have a few beginner type questions and this looks
like the place to ask them...

Here Goes...

1) If bottles are going to explode, when will this occur after
botteling? (or does this depend on amt of fermentables left etc...)

2) I have never mixed the sugar for conditioning in solution before
(always added to bottles).  How much can I get away with?  ie. I
see 3/4 cup is common, is 1 cup too much?

3) On the use of a secondary, say after 5 days, how much difference
will this make to my brew?  (I have never used a secondary before,
will I see vast improvements in my brew)?

4) I have been using hopped malt extract and the equivalent amt. of
corn sugar for my brews (following the receipe in the can).  Is it
better to use some unhopped extract in place of the sugar, say
half-half?  What will this produce (heaver beer)?

5) Botteling:  I bought some 1L plastic pop type bottles.  Are
these any better/worse than recycable 341 mL beer botles?  Also, I
have bee thinking about buying some of those 500 mL bottles with
the cap attached (ceramic with rubber seal).  What are these called
and are they very good, ie. offer any advantages other than no
capping...?  (PS. is $1.80 cdn a good price for one of these 500 mL
types)?

Thanks to all who take the time to answer any of the above..

Steve Strong.

-- 
sstrong@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Electrical Engineering, Memorial University of Newfoundland
From: slndw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:06:11 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <23324@sybase.sybase.com>, leighann@fugazi.sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
> In article <BuAKEG.9Iu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Edwin Sharp) writes:
> |> I don't know if this name has gotten out of the Purdue/Indianapolis area, but   here that drink is called a Boilermaker.  Unfortunatly (sp?), most here don't use Guinness (I can't live long without it!).
> |> E/S	
> 
> Hm, where I come from, a Boilermaker is a glass of beer in one hand and
> a glass of whiskey in the other; you follow belts of whiskey with
> swallows of beer...


or, just pour 'em together, ala Hud (remember that one??)

> 
> 	- Leigh Ann
> 
> ---------------
> Leigh Ann Hussey                                      leighann@sybase.com
> "Turkeys, heresy, hops and beer / All came to England in the one year."
> What year was it?
> Answer: 1520

-toot
From: vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: What about pattern addicts?
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:51:34 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University

In article <38530009@hpsad.sad.hp.com> 
sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:
>In rec.crafts.textiles, rrah@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Runa Rahman) writes:
>   >All this talk about addiction - I have one for patterns.  I've accumulated
>   >50+ patterns in four years, plus several Burda magazines full of patterns
>   >and one book with patterns to be enlarged.  I have a few pattern drafting
>   >books, too.
>   >I can't get over the woman I read about in Threads (maybe a letter, maybe
>   >not) who has 1000+ (maybe closer to 2000?) patterns...

>I recommend a different tactic -- Only buy a pattern if it has a new sleeve
>type, collar type, etc.  Once you have about 100 patterns, mixing and matching
>pieces will get you almost any style.  I only buy about 1 pattern for about
>every 15th outfit any more.  

This is very good advice.  But if Runa is talking about the same type of
addiction I experience, advice cannot save us from the pit.  I have a bit
of the fabric mania that made most of us stitchers to begin with.  But 
PATTERNS are a different story altogether!  
	The thing about patterns is that
they are compact and one can easily fit one's obsession in one file cabinet.
They don't take up the space that fabric does, they are pretty standard in
size and so are easy to organize.  Looking at them gives me hundreds of
ideas about color and shapes and lengths and accessories.  And just 
because I CAN take bits and pieces and mix and match, I can convince myself
that it is only wise to buy patterns before they
go out of print.  Besides, when I have just been very good and not bought
fabric I don't plan to use right away, I reward myself with a new pattern.

					Carlin
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	Carlin Sappenfield - vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Fabricholicism
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:18:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.132331.14782@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes:
>
>I put aside knitting years ago because I got tired of following patterns 
>and didn't have the necessary help to take the next step of figuring out my 
>own patterns.

Have you seen Barbara Walker's _Knitting from the Top_??  THis is OOP, but may
be available at your public library.  It is TERRIFIC for helping you design
your own sweaters.

>
>How many others have a periodic group that they meet with?  I used to meet 
>with a group to work on projects and chat one night a week.  I'd love to 
>get into another one.  What about 'crit' groups?  Several of my quilting 
>friends belong to one and find that it keeps them on their toes and growing 
>in their craft.
>

I've never done this, but I'd like to.  Even if it was just for companionship
and not for crit....

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From: Marina.Salume@corp.sun.com (Marina Salume)
Subject: Re: fabric markups
Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:04:53 GMT

>What I'm wondering is, is everyone else getting ripped off supremely
>if the stores can afford to keep offering these 50% off sales and/or
>coupons?  I.e. is the markup _that_ big on sewing items that they can
>afford to offer regular 50% and more off sales and still make money?

The markup is probably 3 times the wholesale cost, so they can 
afford to sell them at half price and still make money. I always 
assumed the motive behind pattern sales is to get you in the store 
to buy patterns, on the assumption that you'll buy fabric to make
those patterns in the same place. And many of their "sale" fabrics
are cheaper versions of the good fabric, printed with cheaper dyes on
cheaper fabrics. I believe Jeffrey Gutcheon talked about this in his columns
in Quilters Newsletter magazine. So just because it looks like the same
print as the one the quilt shop is selling for $2 more a yard, doesn't mean
it is. Buyer beware, as usual. 

--marina
 
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From: debruler@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (dennis.l.debruler)
Subject: Re: X-Stitch Pattern Searching
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:18:45 GMT

I am posting this on behalf of Sue Degges.

Hi!
 On August 6, Kathleen Saxon asked for cross stitch shops
around Pittsburgh.  The best  I know of is  the
Thread Connection at 1906 E. Carson Street. This is on
the South Side, between the Brady Street Bridge and
Station Square (closer to the former).  There is a 
metered parking lot about two doors east -ample space.
It's on the south side of the street.
 This store is about half knitting yarn (all good 
quality) and the rest needlework -some painted canvases
for needlepoint, "other" stuff for lace,tatting,etc.
and a great selection of cross-stitch charts. Very little
of the cutesy stuff -a lot of complicated charts, some
imports, basically all the best.
Look especially for charts by Puckerbrush -they are mostly from
a few years ago, all very nice.  They have a nice train 
folder, lots of good scenic types.
 I have no connection to the shop or the pattern company.
This is a "must visit" place for me when I visit home.
 Hope you find  something good!
                       Sue.
		       d.l.debruler@att.att.com
-- 
Dennis L DeBruler		(708) 713-5182
D.L.DeBruler@att.com		att!iexist!dennis
From: close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close)
Subject: Sew News (again) and more
Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:07:11 GMT

An addendum to the recent discussion of Sew News on the quilter's
mailing list:  I forgot to mention that one of the nice things about
Sew News is their "Free" pattern offers.  It seems that every other
issue comes with either a coupon for a free pattern redeemable at your
local sewing store or a coupon for a free pattern if sent to a
specific pattern company with $1 or so postage and handling.

As, I believe it was, Marina mentioned, most of these offers have to
do with specific patterns that Sew News uses in their articles to
modify a design to give it a different look.  They provide you with
the modification directions and a coupon for that pattern.

Anyway, between this and the fact that Sew News has obviously sold my
name up the ying-yang to other sewing-related sources, I'm now getting
one or two free patterns/pattern offers a month, practically!  I just
about don't have to ever buy any patterns myself anymore.  :-)  So
from that point of view, Sew News gives me my subscription price back
in pattern value.  :-)

On to another topic:  I guess I shouldn't complain too loud or too
hard but I almost never, ever pay full price for anything
sewing-related anymore.  As mentioned above, I manage to get most of
my patterns free these days and those I do buy myself I get at 60% off
at New York Fabrics.  I'm almost always in possession of a 50% off
interfacing or batting coupon these days.  And I hit the big bonanza
this past weekend with two 50% off all quilting and crafts books
coupons.

My husband no longer complains about my sewing "habit" as I almost get
everything for practically free these days.  :-)  However I'm getting
a bit worried about where this is all leading.  Oh sure, I'm really
happy to be "saving" all this money.  (I buy more than I would if it
cost me full price, so I think I actually end up spending more.  :-)
What I'm wondering is, is everyone else getting ripped off supremely
if the stores can afford to keep offering these 50% off sales and/or
coupons?  I.e. is the markup _that_ big on sewing items that they can
afford to offer regular 50% and more off sales and still make money?
Or are the stores that are doing this actually losing money in the
short run in the hopes that long sales like this will drive the
smaller guys out of business?  (Kinda like the airline syndrome.)  If
the smaller guys go you can bet prices will rise!

Comments?
-- 
Diane Barlow Close
	close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com 
	I'm at lunch today.  :-)
From: slider@nod.UUCP (P. K. Slider)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: tye-dyeing
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:33:30 GMT
Organization: Stonecutter Software
Reply-To: slider@stonecutter.com
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In article <1992Sep8.080903.20885@morrow.stanford.edu> (GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu), you write:
> 
> I am not sure if this is the place to ask but that never stopped me
> before.  I want some hints on tie-dyeing.  I know back in the 60's
> the Ritz dye packages had patterns for folding and bunching the
> material to tie dye it.  I just don't remember much about it and now
> I have been asked to help with a sheet, curtains and pillow cases.
> Does anyone know if Ritz packages have those instructions on them
> anymore?  Or if you have any ideas and they can be explained in
> writing I will be grateful for the help.
> 
> Alma
> 

I recently got a catalog from Earth Guild (1-800-327-8448) that contains a 
large selection of dyes.  

They offer a "tie-dye starter kit" that I've been thinking about getting myself.
It includes six colors of Procion Dye (color-fast, takes in cold-water, works
on most fabrics), washing soda, urea, waxed nylon and rubber bands
for tying, 6 pipets for applying color, rubber gloves, and complete instructions.
Enough for 10-20 shirts.

They also offer all of the ingredients individually and will send free tie-dye
instructions with a dye order.

Maybe if you gave them a call, some helpful person might be able to help.
 Sounds like a big job.

p.k. slider

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From: Marina.Salume@corp.sun.com (Marina Salume)
Subject: Re: quilt design software
Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:03:26 GMT

>Discovered your net today.  Looks like it might be fun.  Question
>about computer software for quilt designing.  Will contact Andros
>Software in San Mateo, 

Welcome!

Andros is for clothing and pattern making. There is a great program
for quilt designing called the Electric Quilt, you can see a demo at
The Quilting Bee at 357 Castro St, in downtown Mountain View.
It costs $95.

--marina
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Subject: Re:  >>>winnie the pooh patterns
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:23:02 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <29880@goofy.Apple.COM> vlb@apple.com writes:
>
>In article <17g4k2INNdde@soap.ksu.ksu.edu> marj@soap.ksu.ksu.edu (Marjorie P Devlin) writes:
>>To the one who volunteers to copy and mail the entire series of winnie
>>the pooh characters, I would love to get a copy of them as well.
>>... I would also be more than happy to incure the costs of copying and
>> shipping.
>>You can send me email and I'll get you my address.  Thanks!
>
>Me too!  Me too!

    Me also, if possible...
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

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From: LS45 <LS45@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: >>>winnie the pooh patterns
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:57:14 GMT

In article <29880@goofy.Apple.COM> vlb@apple.com writes:
>
>In article <17g4k2INNdde@soap.ksu.ksu.edu> marj@soap.ksu.ksu.edu (Marjorie P Devlin) writes:
>>To the one who volunteers to copy and mail the entire series of winnie
>>the pooh characters, I would love to get a copy of them as well.
>>... I would also be more than happy to incure the costs of copying and
>> shipping.
>>You can send me email and I'll get you my address.  Thanks!
>
>Me too!  Me too!
>      Vicki Brown                  A/UX Development Group
>      Internet: vlb@apple.com      Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA
>              Ooit'n Normaal Mens Ontmoet?  En..., Beviel't?
>        (Have you ever met a normal person?  So..., did you like it?)
>.
>.
Would it be possible to add me to the list?  Thanks!
DMS

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From: Marina.Salume@corp.sun.com (Marina Salume)
Subject: Subscriptions to Patchwork Quilt Tsushin
Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:43:30 GMT

I thought I'd pass along this information on how to subscribe to
my favorite Japanese quilt magazine, Patchwork Quilt Tsushin. It
happens that a penpal of mine is in charge of international
subscriptions, and sent me the rates. It is a little cheaper than
the way I was subscribing before, which was through a bookstore in
Japntown in San Francisco. I do not receive anything if you subscribe,
but it can be hard to find these magazines and/or very expensive, so
I thought others might be interested. This magazine is very fat, full
of gorgeous color photos and a tiny bit of english text, altho you can
usually figure out how to make most of the projects by studying the very
clear diagrams. It's expensive but worth it, IMHO! They even published
one of my quilts once :-)

The 1 yr (six issues) rates are: (she only sent the equivalent for US money)

Asia, Oceania  9600 yen
USA and Canada  10440 yen ($80 US)
Europe and Brazil 11280 yen

You can pay by either Postal International Money Order or
Visa/ mastercard. No checks or cash.

Send your name, address, and credit card info (don't forget to include
your signature as well as your printed name, and credit card expiration
date) to: Patchwork Quilt Tsushin, 5-25-16 Hongo Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo Japan 113.
You might want to write "Foreign Subscription" on the envelope, too.

They publish two other magazines, both quarterlies, "Patchwork Lesson"
and "Patchwork Picturebook". I'm subscribing to them all, it's only money :-)

--marina
From: jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jael)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Thai Silks
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:03:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Please, tell more about Thai Silks!  Do they do mail order?  If they do,
would someone please post an address/telephone number.  What's their
selection like?

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