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From: edp@sunrock.East.Sun.COM (Ed Pendzik {Prof Services} Sun Rochester)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stainless and WD40
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:19:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Rochester NY

#What does the military use Break-Free for?
it's issued as a gun lube.

	Ed Pendzik
From: kenb@well.sf.ca.us (Ken Bowen)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ruger GP-100 for sale
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:50:46 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


FOR SALE
Ruger GP-100 Stainless steel four inch barrel adjustable sights
less than 1000 rounds Excellent condition $275

I'm located in San Francisco, California. E-Mail for more info.

Ken Bowen       kenb@well.sf.ca.us
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: More on dry firing
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:34:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec16.014824.12112@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
#Well, _I'm_ going to use the decocker lever as God and SIG intended, rules
#or no rules.
#
#Harumph! (-:
#
#(Seriously, would this be a rules violation?  Sounds pretty silly, if so).

Actually, not silly at all.  The point of "show clear, hammer down, holster"
is to make the gun safe.  Showing clear makes sure there is no round in the
chamber.  Hammer down (using the trigger) makes *damn* sure there is no round
in the chamber.  Note that even though the RO checks the chamber, if you drop
the hammer and it goes bang, you get DQ'd.

When using the decocker, you nullify the safety check the hammer drop is 
intended for.  By USPSA (and IPSC, I believe) rules, the hammer *must* drop
by function of the trigger.

-- 
DVC,
  Paul
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven Miale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Pistol advice: part 2
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:22:05 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

Thanks for all the responses from my previous post.

I'm now considering these pistols. I'd appreciate knowing
your experiences/thoughts about them.

Helwan 9mm Auto Mod 52 G/VG for $126.50
	9mm is a common round, and from what I have heard,
	this pistol is very reliable. It's also a semiauto.

S&W Model 19 .357 Magnum revolver, 4" barrel for $189.99
	.357 is more powerful than 9mm from what I understand.
	How about the other S&W's?

And some Ruger's:
BN-34 Blackhawk 4 3/4" 90% blue for $190.00
	The ad didn't mention caliber or whether it was
	an semiautomatic or not. I believe it's .357.

BN-44 Blackhawk .45 colt, 4 5/8" blue for $228.95
	Again, I don't know whether this is a semiauto
	or not.

I've also heard that Astra's and Daewoo's are pretty good pistols,
but I haven't heard much else about them, and I haven't seen anyone
selling them in Shotgun News.

Thanks again,

Steve
-- 
__________________________________________________________
Steven Miale - spm2d@virginia.edu   | Don't blame me -
University of Virginia              | I voted Libertarian.
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From: edward@locutus.dell.com (Edward Godwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Remington 40-XB Questions
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:41:54 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation


I have decided to purchase a Remington 40-XB.  I want it in a 30 cal chambering.
This is for ultra long range shooting.  I am also inclined to lug it around on
hunting trips.  I do not want to start any arguments about "the best chambering".
I just have a few questions that can hopefully be answered by someone who has one or
more of these chamberings:

		.30-06
		.300 Win Mag
		.338 Win Mag
		.30-338  (Wildcat I presume)

Now, I realize how versatile .30-06 is.  Since .300 WinMag is the same bullet
size, it should be almost as versatile (especially with duplex loads).  Plus
for either.  I already own and shoot a .300 WinMag, but I would take any other cal
that was more suited to long range shooting. Plus for .300 WinMag due to cartridge
compatibility.

I see little ballistic advantage to .338 Win Mag, and some detriment in the fact
that there are fewer bullets from which to choose.  Minus for .338.

Since both the .300 and .338 WinMag cases are nearly the same (in fact, my Sierra
manual shows the .300 to be longer - and presumably larger capacity), what is the
advantage to necking a .338 case to .30 cal?  Are you not "reinventing" the
.300 WinMag????? I have a realoading press, so it would not kill me to shoot
this.  I could reload it.  I just need to know if it is worth the effort of dealing
with a wildcat round. I saw in previous postings that .30-338 is popular in long 
range shooting.  Is it better than 300 WinMag?  If so, why?

So, I need suggestions.  What is best.  I would like personal experience if
possible, "range gossip" if not.

I hope that someone can answer my questions about these cartridges.  Especially
the .30-338.  This is a mystery to me.  If anyone feels inclined to argue,
then we can take it off-line to email, and I will summarize to the net.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can provide.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:41:41 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

#This is exactly what I would do now.  Engine off.  Hands on the wheel
#at 12 o'clock.  Smile to the officer and ask what he wants you to do,
#then AFTER HE TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO, mention 'I have a CCW and a {type
#gun in whatever carry position}, does that change what you want me to do?'

	It's just an opinion, but it strikes me as being a more hazardous
situation for the officer if he has to approach your car.  Even when I'm
being pulled over for a simple 60 in a 55 (it was Labor Day weekend), I
always get out of the car and walk back towards the cruiser.  First, I
don't want an officer looking into my car, and second he has ample time
to observe me and make a good judgement on my intentions, demeanor, and
sobriety.  I walk back and, if it is cold, I head to the passenger side
and give a gentle knock on the window.  If invited, I sit inside where
it is warm and we have a nice chat over the weather, my offense, the
last guy he busted, what the radar gun says, etc...

	I suspect that the officer is more afraid of approaching my
vehicle not knowing what I've got on the seat than he is of seeing
an empty-handed citizen walking normally to his car.  This has the
side benefit of allowing me to hear any radio traffic that might be
about me should he call in my plates, I can view the radar gun myself
should I decide to fight the ticket in court, and I get a chance to
prove I'm not some long-haired redneck, which is an impression some
may get of me upon first glance.

	Since I don't carry concealed, I just walk with arms at my
sides like normal.  Were I carrying, this brings about an entirely
different situation.  Which is better, to make him worry as he
approaches my car, or to make him worry as I walk back hands behind
my head?  I think it depends a great deal on where you are at.  Here
in Iowa they don't even call in my plates most of the time.  In
California, this might be enough to cuff me and stuff me in the back
of the car until a nationwide wants and warrants check is done.

	I also think a bit of conversation is in order.  I believe I
mentioned that I would state why I was keeping my hands behind my
head, but in a non-threatening manner.  How would this go over on the
professional and ex-police we have here on the net?  Comments?

	Perhaps I just have a different view of the police, coming
from a background where the sheriff gives you a ride home (20 miles)
when he sees your car is out of gas on the side of the road.  If I
ever have to leave here, it would be nice to know what the local
customs are like before violating them.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >
From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: "Nice" Gun Clubs II
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:56:26 GMT


Like Laird Broadfield, who posted on this topic earlier, I'd like to find  
a nice range, only I'm looking for more of a "club" atmosphere as well,  
with social events, etc...  I once visited such a club in West Palm Beach,  
Florida.  It wasn't really as nice as I would have liked, but it was a  
decent place in it's own way, with a 'lodge' sitting area, panelling, some  
trophies (both animals and awards), barbeque dinners and other member  
events.  Burt Reynolds lived nearby and was a member -- people used to go  
by to check out his locker (his name ws posted thereon.

I picture ideally a rustic lodge atmosphere, or old-style "men's club"  
aura, with a nice big stone fireplace, mooseheads on the wall, rich  
panelling, lots of leather lazy-boys, bear rugs, a library of books and  
hunting videos, and a decent restaurant.  Rather like a country club for  
shooters/hunters.

I know, I should have been born 100 years ago when this sort of thing was  
more common, but surely this kind of establishment hasn't become  
completely extinct?!  Know of any examples?

Hoping,

Robert
From: justice@panix.com (Michael Justice)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: M1911 vs M1911A1?
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:09 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

For a friend:
What are the differences between an M1911 and an M1911A1??  He's
been told of three:  curved mainspring housing, shorter trigger,
and longer tail on the grip safety (to prevent "hammer bites").

Can all parts be interchanged between 1911's and 1911A1's?  Does
the trigger "length" just mean the size of the metal sticking out,
or does it have something to do with the internals?

BTW, thanks again to everyone who helped on the .308 rifle and the
"what's a M11" questions.  No bounces, so I hope I got you all. I
decided to get an M1A and a Rem 7400 for the same amount I would
have spent on a HK SR-9. :-)  (But with SA reorganizing, this may
become moot.)  I also decided against getting the M11.

Aside:  if anyone knows of any truck-driving jobs in the Chicago
area (local, not long-haul) I'd appreciate a note.  No, the job's
not for me (but if anyone needs a UNIX/C/X11 nerd in the US, except
for NY/NJ. . . . :-).

                        -- Michael.
-- 
Michael A. Justice / Will hack X11 for peanuts (stolen, with apologies).
justice@panix.com /  "It's barbaric, but hey! it's home!" -- "Aladdin"
From: adam@aj.clubfed.sgi.com (Adam C. Joseph)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Transporting handgun in DC (was Re: dealing with a police officer)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


-- 

I have a slight twist on this same question.  I recently began using the
pistol range at the NRA headquarters in Washington DC (yes they have a
range
for members).  As one would expect, this requres me to travel through DC
with multiple weapons in tow (unloaded and in the back as one would
expect).According to the range master, traveling to and from the range is
legal even in DC.  When
I queried him regarding appropriate action should I get pulled over by the
boys in blue, his recommendation was to "let them find the guns," DO NOT
volunteer the information.  I agree that with the reputation of DC police
there is a good chance that I could be spending a long evening at the
station
explaining how I was only going to (or returning from the range) if I
alerted
them to cargo when initially pulled over, but on the other hand I may need
to
call my lawyer (and possibly next of kin if the weapons are discovered
after a brief search.

BTW, I am a Maryland resident.  By default, DC residents cannot use the 
range (because they should not have a gun to begin with).  Anyway, what do
you think?

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From: pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (BlackWing Restorations, Ltd.)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: S&W Auto/Glock 21 jam-free
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:35:05 GMT
Organization: Old Pink, care of the Funny Farm, Chalfont


True, I would never purchase a Smith & Wesson auto... (note: my
college is a stone's throw from the S&W plant in Springfield MA)... I
would consider very much on one of their revolvers, but Colt would
still come ahead (Python, King Cobra and Anaconda)...
On the autos... one of the reasons why I would not buy them, even
though nearly every cop in Worcester MA and on the U-Mass (Amherst)
campus carry the 649s... comes from the following story a friend of
mine in the SEALs told me...
	He was testing a 1006 with a few buddies at a public range
outside of San Diego (where he's stationed)... during the normal paced
firing, the slide came off of the receiver of a friend's gun during
the recoil, and nearly hit him square in the eye. His cheekbone isn't
quite right yet. Upon checking the gun, they found it wasn't put
together 100% correctly. 
Another story...
	The S&W M76 submachinegun fires from an open bolt. I once saw
a film of someone dropping the gun on its stock while fully loaded...
the bolt cycled back, loaded a round, and when the bolt came forward
again, it started firing... on full auto... talk about a depressingly
stupid weapon...


pf


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From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com (Lawrence V Cipriani)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re:  M16 horror stories
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:16:44 GMT
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.

In article <1992Dec10.174305.11006@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
#With all this discussion on the M16 and what its design goals were, I thought
#I'd give y'all my take on it.  As I remember, increased wounding at the expense
#of killing was not an explicit goal.  Increased incapacitation OF ANY SORT,
#whether by wounding OR killing was, i.e., the powers that be wanted a weapon
#that gave a higher probability of delivering an incapacitating wound for each
#round delivered into an enemy body.  This is different from the conventional

I believe this is right.  The use of FMJ bullets was done in order to
stay within international convention, but military planners wanted to
maximize wounding ability under those conventions.  I read an interview
with Eugene Stoner, in American Rifleman I think, where he stated the
shape of the 5.56mm bullet was changed to increase it's wounding ability.
Basically, the center of mass was moved towards the rear of the bullet,
the idea being that upon imact with flesh it would tumble more than if
it were better stabilized, e.g., as in a .30 caliber bullet.

If someone remembers where that interview appeared please post it.
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
From: mtxinu!sybase!bulldog!joe@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Active Hearing Protectors (eg. "silencio" )
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:32 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


My gunshop will give me a deal on some Silencio electronic
hearing protectors. What are the best brands? Is this one
any good? 

--
Joe Weinstein   joe@sybase.com   Sybase 1650 65th st.  Emeryville Ca 94608

NOT A DISCLAIMER!   THIS IS THE OFFICIAL OPINION OF AN IMPORTANT CORPORATE
                    ENTITY (NOT SYBASE).     FOR COMPLETE DETAILS SEND $10
From: smpod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Scope Mount for 1911A1
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:51:02 GMT
Organization: who knows

kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes...
#Are drilling holes on the frame necessary for a good 1911A1 scope mount?
#If not, can anyone recommend a good scope mount? Thanks.


If you want a low mount, then you'll need a drill and tap mount otherwise
you can use gripmounts like NPC, Aimtech and Calgrip; the disadvantage of
grip mounts is that some people find the scope a little high and you'll
need to remove one of the grips which may not give you a comfortable grip.
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt or Springfield 1911 A1
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:24 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <12DEC199217342412@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>, smpod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
# <34547@adm.brl.mil>, sporay@adm.brl.mil (Ralph Sporay) writes...
# #(Renie Maycon) writes:
# ##Which is a better gun for the money springfield or colt?
# # 
# #I was also curious, until I talked to a few gunsmiths whom are members
# #of the American Pistolsmiths Guild. They prefered to or would not work 
# #on any thing but a Colt or Caspian (1911A1). Used Colts also seem to
# #hold their value very well. I now own two Colts.
# 
# I know gunsmiths who will not touch the series 80 Colts and recommend series
# 70 and Springfields.

That's not because of quality, but because the series 80 Colts have a
firing pin block.  (Until you pull the trigger, the firing pin is
locked.  A hammer falling without a trigger pull at the same time
won't fire the gun.)

I sold a Springfield recently, and I must say, it impresses me more
than the last Colt .45 I sold.  Crisp trigger, right out of the box,
a bit less slop of receiver to frame.  Nice locking storage box for
the gun included as well.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the car
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:20:07 GMT


In <1992Dec18.190154.26083@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>
jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) suggested:
#How about mounting a holster on the console/drive-train tunnel concealed
#by the passenger seat - presuming bucket seats ;-{).

I was told, in Arizona, a gun with or without holster can be put inside
the glove compartment or under a seat, BUT mounting a holster that
way is considered as concealed carried. The rationale being the weapon
is then intented to be use as a concealed one and not just stored for
transportation.
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Seecamps
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:59:37 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <9212140631.AA04277@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com> davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com (David Post) writes:
#I saw a Seecamp in .32 ACP this weekend.
#
#Are these as good as they look?  Do they offer more useful chamberings?
#
#The one I saw was a well finished stainless, no apparent safety and a
#concealed hammer.  It was TINY.

The hammer is not concealed, but designed so that it is flush with the 
rear of the slide when in the hammer down, ready to fire position.

#
#David Post    davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Gunsite Scout (was: Stranded...)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:16 GMT


#What is a 'Gunsite Scout'?

A Gunsite Scout is Jeff Cooper's baby.  I don't remember all the
specs, but I believe it's a bolt action gun that should weigh under
6 lbs., and an LER scope should be mounted forward of the action.
I believe it should be .30 caliber.

Rob

[MODERATOR: Currently offered in .308 Win, as primary choice, with
at least the 7mm-08 as an alternative, on Sako action, with synthetic
stock (black or grey defaults, various cammos as options), flat rubber
butt pad or optional decelerator pad, left hand bolt optional, light
integral tripod optional after the first of the year.  First run has
been completed, now back ordered at least 120 days. And before you send 
followup mail: if you have to ask, then you can't afford it... ]
From: mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT backup .380
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:04 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group Marketing


In article <0bD502c32fQT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
|> 
|> At risk of taking lotssa flak, I'll stand up for AMT (flame suit ON :-)
|> 
[stuff deleted]
|> I also have one of their Hardballers. For those unfailiar w/ the 
|> Hardballer, it is a stainless Gold Cup clone. [more stuff deleted]

Anyone else out there have experience with the AMT Hardballer?

PS: Netters - please try to keep the puns in check -- a name like Hardballer is
    too easy a target.  Not sporting!
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DISCLAIMER: The above is strictly my opinion.  I DO NOT SPEAK FOR MOTOROLA!
From: pro016@marshall.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Stolen Guns in WV
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:58:32 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


   Recently a friend of mine was robbed of his guns, below is a list
of the guns stolen: They were stolen in Huntington, West Virginia.
If any of you gun collectors around WV, KY, Ohio or any where run
across any of these would you please call the WV state police or
e-mail me.  
                    

   RIFLES

Ruger 10-22                      SN#  129.91769

Winchester 308 carbine           SN#  A243689

Ruger 44mag carbine              SN#  102-76993


   SHOTGUNS

Smith/Wesson  1000  20 gauge         SN# FB78422

Franchi  12 gauge                    SN# UO304M

the Franchi is painted camouflage


           thanks for any help  

                Paul in WV
From: gelwasser@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Looking for 10mm recomendations
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:27 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute



I had a Colt 10mm Delta Elite for about a year. It was my first hand gun
and I really liked it. It was the same size and about the same kick
as a Colt Model 1911 .45. I sold it only because I had surgery and lost
partial use of both hands. I would recommend it to anyone with an
interest in 10mm.

Perry
From: emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carbide Rifle Dies
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:33:51 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Dec11.181224.15366@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
#In article <1992Dec10.124445.13007@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) writes:
#
## ...The die body is normally steel, methinks, and usually has been plated
##with something (probably chrome or nickel) to prevent rusting.  I've never
##noticed appreciable rusting on any of my dies.
#
#I own both Lee and RCBS dies; only my Lee dies have rusted, and some of
#these have rusted quite severely on the outside. I suspect that the RCBS
#dies are plated with some non-rusting metal, while the Lee dies are not.

Well *my* RCBS dies aren't plated with some non-rusting metal. :-(
Plating a die that has to withstand reloading pressures and
wear while maintaining tight dimensional tolerances isn't very 
practical anyway. They all rust if you let them. If you clean
them and treat them like you would the chamber of your weapon,
they'll do fine.

Gary