Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just try to emulate it.
From: stuartw@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Stuart Woolford)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:23:44 GMT
 <1992Sep10.202027.29177@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1992Sep11.213433.2480@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1992Sep12.175210.23430@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mark) writes:

>You have to realize one thing, PC users (and I will be the first to
>tell you, I have owned a number of machines. My folks own a Mac II
>which I am teaching my dad computer literacy on, I used to own a PC
>and now I own an Amiga) are quite ignorant of the processor power of
>other chips than the Intel set. So here it is, in plain black and
>white (Or green and black, or whtever color it is your screen is):

you claim Macintosh people have a better comprehension ??

>CPU CHIP SPEEDS HAVE NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY BLOODY NOTHING, TO DO WITH A
>COMPUTER'S PROCESSING POWER. 

wrong.

>Huh? Did you folks get that? If you'd like proof, pull up an
>Ultraforce dem on a 386 33Mhz, and you'll see vector plotting at about
>2/3 the frame rate my little 7.14 Mhz 68000 does in any of the common

and you actually think this has anything to do the processor speed??

>demos. Why? Because the chips WORK differently. It's kinda like
>comparing a lawn tractor to a Mustang; the lawn tractor may have a
>much more POWERFUL engine, but it's geared for torque, not speed. I'd
>hate to try and pull a tree out of the ground with a Mustang, however.

you really are stupid, aren't you ?!?

__irrelivance deleted__

>Try asking a MIP rating, that is a little more objective, however it's
>not quite so. There are a LOT of commands the 68000 has that don't
>have a counterpart on the Intel chipset, and vice versa, though I have
>always found that having 16 registers is a whole lot nicer to the
>programmer, and the addressing on the 68000 is a lot smoother and
>faster due to these numerous registers and the commands granted by
>them, and by the 68000, for dealing with information. 

and you don't mind the 12-cycle delay ( or more.) for address calculation?

the 68000 was an interesting theoretical micro-processor implementation of
a VAX, the unfortunate part is that Motorola kept developing it..;-)

you are a fool if you believe that you are proving anything here.. the
speed of processing is affected by three main factors: clock speed, cycle
count for required instructions, and instruction power. and INTEL is
very good on ALL counts. ( and don't try to compare a R4000 to a 8086, or
do you want to look more stupid ?? ).

>In conclusion, I'd let one thing filter through: I use my Amiga
>mainly for music composition, grpahics and music demos, and the like.
>I would not trade it for the world, even if I decided to switch solely
>to term software. If you ask me if I'd prefer something else to do
>desktop publishing or write a term paper on, give me a Mac any day. If
>I was going to run my life with spreadsheets and Quicken(tm) I'd take
>a PC. 

and this has something to do with processing power ??

>Computers are tools, not religions. If you have the mind to tell me
>your wrench can pound a nail as easily as my hammer, you have every
>right to that illusion. I won't even TRY to take it from you. But
>leave me content to use my hammer in peace.

no. the processor has very little to do with the types of uses of a
computer ( excepting perhaps large floating point.. ), nearly all supply
a wide enough range of instructions to suit all problems !

>Ergo, I'd request all you ST and PC folks remove the "comp.sys.amiga"
>from your Groups: line, because little has been said from us on this
>whole thread.

but we like reading your posts, they make us laugh... B-)

( and an apology to the PC people, but we cannot ignore insult's to our
  intelegence, which this post was.. )

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