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From: dross@cambizola.cs.wisc.edu (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: color cards and classic II
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:17:13 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <6787@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes:
>Someone else writes:
>>Hi. Ive seen questions similar to this one before but Im not still not
>>clear about the answer. I am wondering how can add color capabilities to
>>a Classic II. Will any 8 or 16 bit video card work? Are video cards
>>that were made to work on the SE/30 compatible with the Classic II? Is there
>>a way to add a card which will allow the classic II to display grayscales
>>on its own monitor? 

>David:
>  If I remember right the Classic and Classic II have no PDS or nu-bus
>slots.  As a result, you have no place to attach the vid card to the
>CPU.  The classic II has zero expandibility (you can also give up on
>cache or direct accelerators).  So, for the short answer, no I don't
>think you can.
> _/ _/_/  _/  _/       _/ _/                    Nicholas C de Mello
>_/   _/  _/   _/_/_/  _/   _/                     Nick+@pitt.edu

The problem is that the Classic II has no general-purpose expansion slot.
(There is one slot inside, but it is for connecting a 68882 FPU [math
co-processor].  No vendors have come up with a card that does anything else
with that socket--it isn't really designed with the power requirements
of anything larger than an FPU).

There are a couple options I know of, all of which involve buying a "card"
which is completely external to the machine and in a box.  Radius has
the "PowerView", designed for use with PowerBooks (which also have no
expansion slots)--connects from SCSI port to a color monitor.  I don't know
how many colors it supports.  Aura Systems has the "ScuzzyView" which is
similar.  (BTW, similar interfaces exist for ethernet for Classic/Classic II/
powerbooks.)

Envisio has "VideoSIMMs" which plug into the RAM (SIMM) sockets--
but that only supports large (full-page or portrait) b&w external monitors;
I don't know if this last product is safe wrt power requirements.

A serious problem with both of these interfaces (besides expense--around $500
for the interface, not including the monitor) that I have read (but not
witnessed) is that they cannot support the bandwidth required by say QuickTime
or other multimedia applications.  (Most other Macs have a direct slot to
the system bus or the processor--that's much faster than the SCSI port.)

Dan Ross						  dross@cs.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: Imagine my dismay when...
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Sep24.160447.1919@advtech.uswest.com>
	<1992Sep26.004347.26973@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:04:10 GMT

> mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith) writes:

   But that's a GOOD thing!  (And I'm very anti-PC, don't worry.)  I remember
   being told that the IBM hard drives are MUCH quicker than the Quantum's or
   anything else available, at least they were a year ago.

No, it's not. However, it's more durable than many other drives.

   Just don't buy an IBM >computer<.  But the IBM hard drives are of a higher

Actually, it's IBM >Operating Systems< you should stay
clear of. The hardware is OK (RS/6000 for instance)


-- 
Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Sweden, Phone +46-8-107069

"From now on, I think I'll re-label the EQ on the
 desk as Fizz and Wobble, rather than HF and LF."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hees@cubic.com (Phil Hees)
Subject: Re: 1Gig hard drive connection to mac
Organization: Cubic Toll Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.134657.1@woods.ulowell.edu> purwinc@woods.ulowell.edu
writes:
>A friend of mine splurged and bought a 1 Gig hard drive and wants to
>put it on his Macintosh (externally ofcourse)  Does he need any drivers
>or anything like that? the Drive is a Seagate ST14300 (i think thats right
>its their FH5.25 1Gig drive) any and all info would be appriciated!

Two months ago I dropped a Seagate 1 Gig drive (ST41200) into my Mac II.
Used Silverlining to partition it.  No special drivers required.  No
hassles installing it.

By the way, it's a full-height 5.25 inch drive and I was able to mount it
internally.  The only catch is that it pulls 4.5 amps on spinup (1.7 amps
once it's running), while my Mac II power supply is only rated for 2.5
Amps at 12V.  However, so far it has been running fine, and neither the
power supply nor the drive has complained (yet).

By the other way, I picked it up for only $1300 [gloat, gloat].  With an
MTBF of 150000 hours (17 years of continuous use), I figured it to be a
pretty good deal.  Now if I can only find a cheap DAT drive to back it
up...  :)

--
Phil Hees
hees@cubic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Subject: Need HDI-30 SCSI cable longer than 2 ft!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:31:43 GMT

After making two phone calls and a visit to the local on-campus Apple
dealer, I have been unable to find an HDI-30 SCSI cable (for my PowerBook
100) that is longer than 2 feet (~60 cm).

I am wanting to use my PB 100 with a Sun expansion unit that sits on
the floor, so I really need a SCSI cable that's at least 3 feet (90cm)
long.

Does anyone know of a source for a SCSI cable this long?

Also, I asked previously about the pinout of the HDI-30 connector,
but got no responses.  Does anyone have this information?  Maybe
I can make my own cable and save some serious money ($40 for a
2 foot cable seems ridiculous).

Daryl
-- 
Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    dlb5404@rigel.tamu.edu  or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:34:45

In article <Nazedgi-051092162846@stiles-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Ivan) writes:

   Pda's are the wave of the future and Apple is going to sell trillions of
   them.  Yeah, right.  I wonder how a computer is going to be able to
   recognize handwriting when people sometimes can't even recognize their own.
    And even if the software would be so great that it could recognize all
   types of handwriting, why in the world would anyone want to buy a $900
   notepad.  I don't know what John Sculley thinks, but this new Apple product
   sound like a Lemon to me.

To add to the points already mentioned (existing successful market,
danger of making outrageous statements) let me point out that while
a $900 gizmo will only sell to a limited market,  e.g. Federal
Express,  UPS,  Post office,  inventory control,  city inspectors
and planners and mid to high level executives,  when they've sold
the first 3 million and can sell me one at $400 they'll have an
entirely new market of everyone who doesn't want to play with the
keyboard and mice,  e.g. households, non-software engineer engineers,
(me).  

But I think Chuq is right,  Apple should just stop right now!!!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 

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From: norton@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Norton Chia)
Subject: Connecting PowerBook to ext La Cie PocketDrive?
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:42:38 GMT

I understand La Cie's PocketDrive ends at a 25 pin male connector. While this
is fine with connecting to the back of a Mac, how would I be able to connect
to a PowerBook's SCSI port?

Many thanks,
Norton Chia
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Dealer's Costs for New Macs
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:57:40 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Sebastian P Ruta (spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Just thought the net might want to know some numbers I stumbled upon
: in Comp. Reseller News:  (w/o any permission)
: 
: The Cost of Apple's New Macs (what the RESELLERS are paying...add on
: their profit margin for your price, and not all dealers get the same
: prices, some may be higher depending on volume, etc...)
: 
: (w/ software=> ClarisWorks, AtEase, System 7)
: 
: Performa 200 4/80, std, kybd			$1065
: 
: Performa 400 4/80, 512k VRAM, std keybd.	$1130
: 
: Performa 600 4/160, 512k VRAM, Ext. Keybd.	$1519
: 
: Performa 600CD 5/160, 1Mb VRAM, Ext Kybd, 	$1899
:  	(w/ CD ROM, CD titles)
: 
: Performa Display (.39 dot pitch)		$269
: 
: Performa Display Plus (.29 dot pitch)		$327
: 
: StyleWriter					$283
: 
: (all also include 1yr on-site warranty/service contract)
: 
: Strangely, all reviews of the P600 say it is only 50-80% as fast as a
: IIci, even w/o a IIci cache card.  How did Apple cripple *this* one?

 Maybe because the P600 doesn't have a FPU ?.
: 
: 
: -- Sebastian 
:    spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
From: tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SE/30 gains time?
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:56:06 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC

So, my SE/30 gains time.  What's the fix?  I've checked the battery (snapin)
and it's 3.6V under load (in circuit).

--Tom

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INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com
From: ns111310@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nate Sammons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Boca modems and a MAC
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:53:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Boca modems and a MAC

Have you tried to make a Hardware Handshake cable??  

this could help, but remember to set the comm program accordingly.

BTW>> before you try this, chack the DCS/RTS info in the comm program.

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From: jimy@vlsidsp.ece.wisc.edu (Jim K. H. Yu)
Subject: Re: SE to SE/30: Worth It?
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:58:08 CDT

>
>The SE/30s video (1-bit) has VRAM of its own, while the IIci
>uses mail DRAM, which steals cycles from the CPU. Adding a
>card to the SE/30 goes PDS and VRAM; the IIsi built-in is
>still DRAM, and a NuBus card for the IIsi would suffer from
>NuBus... (but there might be PDS cards for the IIsi as well)
>
Yes, there are PDS cards for the IIsi.
VRAM or DRAM doesn't matter. The memory contention problem can
be easily solved by increasing cache size, which I can afford
since the IIsi comes with more RAM than the SE/30 did :) 
If I turn the IIsi to 1-bit video, it will be faster than the SE/30.

>However, for the same money, I'd take a SE/30 with video card
>over a IIsi with built-in video.
>
But a SE/30 with additional video card would have cost (before it
became obsolete) more than a IIsi today (at least here in the US).
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jim K. H. Yu
jimy@eckert.ece.wisc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: Experience with CoStar's Stingray trackball?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:50:00 GMT

The Kensington's trackball seems to be well-regarded, but I've read good 
reports about CoStar's Stingray trackball, as well.  Anyone out there had any 
experience with one? 


Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system
From: gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: LaserWriter hangs with large print jobs
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:01:40 GMT

brad@wana.pbrc.hawaii.edu (Brad Jones) writes:
: I'm trying to solve a problem associated with printing large MacDraw
: jobs using Sys 7 and a LaserWriter II NT.  Our users often include
: scanned bitmaps in their documents and these jobs hang the printer.
: The problem seems to have gotten worse since we upgraded to Sys 7.
: 
: My guess is that the printer doesn't have enough memory.  Right now it
: has 2 Megs.  I think the reason that the problem got worse with Sys 7
: is that the ProcSets or some other initialization code is larger and
: takes more of the available memory.  We can print these jobs via
: Appletalk to another printer that has 3 Megs of memory.
: 
: Can anyone confirm my suspicions or suggest an alternative reason for
: our printing problems?  If the problem is clearly memory, I would
: appreciate suggestions of where to buy memory upgrades for this
: printer.
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: 
: -- 
:       Brad Jones  brad@ahi.pbrc.hawaii.edu

I think you have hit the problem on the head.  We have large PowerPoint
files that we can only print on some printers. 
--
Greg Berryman       gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com
Motorola Inc.       Austin Texas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: EDIAS@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (EMILIANO A DIAS)
Subject: Stereo from an LC?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:08:03 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Does anyone know of a hack, board or technique to get
stereo sound from an LCII?

    just wondering...			Tony Dias
From: IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: New Performa monitors do not meet ELF emissions standards
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:46:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Our campus will not be carrying the Performa monitors because they
do not meet the ELF Swedish emission standards.

Basically, the campus reseller said that they did not want to encounter
a law suit down the road...

Do you think they will mention this fact when you check out the
Macs at Sears?  Hmmm....
From: urritche@mcs.drexel.edu (Ralph Paul Ritchey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Stylewriter question
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:50:14 GMT
Organization: Drexel University



Netters:
	I recently purchased a Stylewriter and had some problems getting
it to print out a full page.  It would print part of the page, then the app
printing would cancel or act like it was all done printing.  After reading
the README file on the floppies that came with it, I found out that if you
experience printing problems or if there are incorrect status messages
(computer tells you the printer isn't ready when it actually is), that
you should hook the printer up to the modem port instead of the printer port.
I know the modem port gets priority over the printer port, but why the
problem to begin with?  Is there a way around it so that things can be 
hooked up 'normally'?

Thanks for the help!!!

Ralph Ritchey
urritche@mcs.drexel.edu
        @king.mcs.drexel.edu
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PB100 external floppy
Date: 3 Oct 1992 07:15:56 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:
>So what has happened/is happening/will happen with the PB100 external floopy?

	no idea.

>And does anyone know of a source for them in the Bay area?

	nope.  but the Computer City here in Austin had a pile of them
	in stock last week for $199; and they do mail-order with credit
	card.  ask information for the phone-number and ask for the manager
	"Greg" if you have problems.
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: ericsc@csa.bu.edu (Eric)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Where to find a Cyrillic keyboard???
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:08:38 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

Does anyone have any information on where to get a Russian keyboard or
even a template to layover another keyboard so show the cyrillic alphebet.
  Thanks in advance,
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers
From: changw@nmt.edu (Willie*)
Subject: mac+ 4/40 for sale
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:32:05 GMT

mac plus 4/40 for sale $580

willie* (505)835-4069  changw@minos.nmt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: Will 2MB SIMMS Work in an SE/30?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:31:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.124227.22267@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> npl@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Fork Boy) writes:
>Is anyone out there currently using a Mac SE/30 with 2MB SIMMS? If so, are
>there any special constratints on their usage such as speed or which memory
>bank they should go in? I'd like to possibly add them, but I have never seen
>any posts by people asking about them before, and every Mac publication fails
>to mention their ability to be placed into an SE/30.

From Apple's Technote #176:
 
Model                   SE/30
Permanent RAM           0
No. of SIMM slots       8
Allowable SIMM sizes    256K,1,4,16
Physical RAM totals     1,2,4,5,8...128*
Required speed          120ns
 
* MODE32 required to address more than 8MB


So, according to Apple at least, the bottom line is that 2MB SIMMs
*won't* work.  The models which Apple claims *will* work with 2MB SIMMs
are the Classic II, LC/LCII and IIsi.  I seem to recall that someone on
the net recently posted fist-hand experience of using 2MB SIMMs on a
machine not listed here (IIci I think). If so, than Apple may be wrong
and there's a chance the 2MB SIMMs would work on your SE/30.k

Hope this helps,

--
Steve Kanefsky

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: joel@writer.yorku.ca (Joel Atkin)
Subject: 16" monitors and built in video
Originator: joel@grant
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:33:58 GMT


What is the maximum screen depth I can get on a 16" color monitor with
my LC's built in video (assuming I get the extra VRAM).  The reason I
ask is that I want atleast 8-bit video, but want to keep the slot
empty for the future.


ps  Is the Apple 16" display a good bet?

joel
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Lets Talk Performas!
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:56:51 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

C> Well, in the past there was the Honda Civic cx and the Civic
TC> si, now Honda has added a new civic, coincidentally, the vi.
 
that's the Civic VX, not the Civic VI.  There is no Honda Civic VI.


Sorry, my mistake, I humbly apologize.

Coincidentally, there is a rumour going around that there will be
no IIvi's sold on the American market.  Perhaps Apple is waiting
for Honda to introduce a Civic VI before introducing this computer
in the states

Chris Tsirbas
tsirbasc@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
From: jtang@hpsgl1.sgp.hp.com (Jerry TANG)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:27:12 GMT
Subject: PowerBook For Sale
Organization: Asia Peripherals Division, HP Singapore
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware

Hi there !

I have a PowerBook 170 for sale. Interested parties please email
reply to me.

Configuration.
Macintosh PowerBook 170 4MB RAM / 80 MB HD
ClarisWorks + ADB Mouse (low power version)
And lots of shareware and PD software.
Brand new with original packing and software.

Asking for US$3800.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Jerry Tang			Email : jtang@hpsgl1.hpsg.hp.com +
+ Singapore                     Fax : +65-2743431                +
+                               Voice : +65-2792985              +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: dead pixel on Apple 13" RGB
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:43:14 GMT

akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani) writes:
: 
: I have IIsi 5/80 with Apple 13"
: 
: I have noticed a dead pixel on the monitor. it is a single pixel that is always 
: black. I set the machine in 8, 4, 1 bit mode, and in all modes the black pixel 
: still there.
: 
: The machine is still under warranty.  However I really don't want to carry my 
: whole system to the dealer.(both monitor anf the machine)
: 
: Does anyone knows if this is a IIsi problem or the Monitor? 
: 
: As far as I know Apple 13" is an analog display. A single pixel looks like a 
: VRAM problem. Is there a simple way to check VRAM on a IIsi ?

I had the same problem with my monitor, and my Apple dealer replaced the
monitor for me.

However, this could also be a memory problem. There's one simple way to test
this: try to force the palette manager to set color 0 to something other than
black. If this makes the pixel on screen to have a color other than black, then
you have a memory problem. If not, you need to get your screen replaced.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: pevzner@ceg.uiuc.edu (Vadim Pevzner)
Subject: 128K WHAT TO DO?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:31:44 GMT

My 128k finally fizzled down. I have this bad
feeling it's one of the main chips on the motherboard.
(I'm no hacker.) Untill now, I used it along with a dotmatr. printer
and a modem and the old software that could be used with it.
(I number crunch at work on HP's, Stardent and Cray, and
we've got a fancy-shmency Mac at work as well.) What to do with
the old fart? Junk it? Sell it for parts? Fix it?
(Where?) Upgrade it? (where?)

Give me YOUR personal bias!!! Tell me everything!
Mail responses to ceg.uiuc.edu!pevzner.
Many thanks


Vadim

P.S. Afterall, VT200+ are $200+ (or $50+ used)
at least the Senior is good for that...

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: deweeset@ptolemy0.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese)
Subject: Re: Apple's Product Lineup
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:52:37 GMT

In article <22530@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.142820.14410@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes:
>
>>Does someone know more about the 50 Mhz 68040 Cyclones. Are there any upgrade path for

>You may want to wait until the machine is at least *announced* before
  Any idea when they will be anounced?
  How about when they will be available?
  What are the rumers about the architecture?
							Thomas DeWeese
deweeset@rdrc.rpi.edu


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