From: rtrisack@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Risack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sadam
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:21:45 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
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steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:

>I'd like to address here the term "Islamic unity" and how
>that is related to Saddam.  Islamically, are you supposed to
>be on the side of Iraq or USA during that bloody war?
>The intentions of the West/Israel/USA was known, that's
>why *ALL* of Jihadic/islamic movements around the world was
>in support or at least on the side of Iraq.  All of less
>islamic poppet governments, such as Saudia/Qatar/...etc
>took the other side.  Can you really say there was an
>islamic split?  I don't think so.

You ask only for 2 sides for that war. So no other side exists?
(HELP I'm NOT EXISTING, I'm A GHOST)
This is the old boring game (played of Bush and Hussain) of:
	The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend
There was only one man in Arabic world trying "both...and", King Hussain
of jordania. But none at all who said "neither...nor".
The only ones who said this were Iran (after 8 years war against US-supported
Saddam) and European peace-movement.

>As to the islamism of Saddam, I cannot judge his heart really,
>but his previous deeds prove otherwise.  You can ALWAYS BE 
>a bad person, but when on the Freeway you see you are about
>to die from a big truck that's about to hit you, you say:
>Ya Allah out of fear.  i.e. you *remember* God when you 
>are under pressure, serious pressure.  I think *WE* ALL 
>can relate to issues like this in our lives.

>I am not a Saddam supporter, but I cannot say that he's not
>a true islamic believer at this point.  Under pressure you
>can turn into a Salah-Adden, Abdullah Azzam, Omar,
>or Abu Bakr.

>We could say he wrote "Allah o Akbar" on the iraqi flag
>to gain islamic support only, but why don't we apply the
>same analigy to Hamas as well.

I do so.

>We cannot judge people's heart most of the time except
>from their behavior.  I saw Saddam pray on TV, can you
>Anisa say that he's not , at that praying point, bowing
>to Allah?  Can you say he's not really praying for Him?
>No you shouldn't.

You could also see the sheikh of Kuwait praying on TV. But
both won't call the other brother, what they would have to,
if they are both Muslims.

>Here is a story that happened during a Jihad battle while
>the prophet pbuh was alive:

>A muslim mujahid had battled with an enemy soldier, cornered
>him finally, was laying on top of him, placed the sord  on
>his nick.  The enemy soldier said "Ashado Anna La Ilaha Illa
>Allah, Wa Ashado Anna Mohammad Rasoolo ALLah", the
>muslim Mujahid killed him anyway.  The prophet got very angry,
>(I guess he wittnessed it, not sure).  He told that
>Mujahid: why did you do that?  Answer: He's probably saying
>it so I can save his neck.  THe prophet said : Did you
>see what's in his heart?  The Prophet was really angry.
>May be he really felt wanting submission to God under pressure.


>jle

BTW if you know THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF LIFE THE UNIVERSE
AND EVERYTHING, look in al-qur'An, suraT n, ayyuhaT (n+1). :-)

Peace with you (Translation either from arabic or hebreic ;-)
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