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From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Subject: compound problem
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:35:41 GMT

Thanks to Shawn Boyd for attempting some advice on my tuning
problem.
 
> First question; do you draw with your right hand or with your left hand?

I draw with my right hand.

Today I experimented further, turning the bow down to about 40#.
This makes the tear shorter but does not eliminate it. I also
tried setting the bow up to slightly over 60# (enough to lift
the test weight), but with no effect.

The Barner arrow rest is a "falling" one. The arrow rests on a steel
wire which sticks up from an axle. The recoil vibrations when the
string is released makes the wire drop to a horizontal position, so
there is nothing in contact with the arrow as the fletching passes
the rest.

The Barner comes with four different wires. One is V-shaped and is
for release shooters only. The three others are loop-shaped and can
be used by any shooter. They have different stiffness. Apparently,
an underspined arrow will perform better with a heavier wire; the
V-shaped one is the heaviest of them and that is what I have
been using. I will now try the others also.
 
> Shoot-through rests generally require a heavily spined arrow.
> Experiment with a heavier spine.

Perhaps the bow *speed* also affects these things? I mean, there are
fast and slow bows with the same bow weight. A faster bow should give
a more vicious push to the arrow. This one shoots my arrows 260
ft/second (at 60#). Not extreme in any way, but pretty fast.

I did try some sort of ACE arrow which was heavier, but it was
2" too long so the results should not be decisive. That arrow gave
a vertical tear (up). But if spine was the problem, setting the bow
weight down should solve it, right?
 
> Also, give a good, hard critical look at your fletching. The problem
> you are describing usually comes from brush-by kinds of situations.

I havent done the powder test yet since I have no suitable stuff to
spray on the bow. Will bring some bolus chalk tomorrow and try putting
that on the bow (if it isn't raining cats & dogs). The fletches are
FFP 200 (2" long), so I should not think they have anything to do
with it. They are mounted so that one points up, and two down; this
is correct for the arrow rest. But I will do the test anyway.
 
Will post the results as the search for a solution continues!

Ake Eldberg
Uppsala, Sweden

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From: kuraishi@athena.mit.edu (Takeo Kuraishi)
Subject: Re: FITA specific
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:11:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.215357.17710@u.washington.edu>, 
dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault) writes:
|> 
|> To expand on something else in the original post, am I the only one out here
|> that shoots three fingers under? At least for target? 

No, I don't shoot that way either... I have tried it though, and had found it
rather uncomfortable. The reason, I would guess, might be that;

With three finger under, you have to hook your forefinger deeper than if
you had one above and two under. Or, the ring finger would hook the string
only slightly, which is not good for the muscle of the finger. 

|> The guy that taught me to shoot three under told me that FITA people don't
|> shoot that way out of inertia from established coaches, but I find that
|> hard to believe.
|>
|> Dan
Another reason against it might be that with three finger under, the relative
position of the fingers and the arrow might differ from time to time. With 
fingers both above and under the arrow, you are guaranteed that you always 
draw the string at the same point on the string. 
Of course, this is all speculation, so I would like to know if this is true or
not.

I have also tried one above and one under, and it works fine when my fingers
are strong enough. However, being out of practice too often, I have not tried
this extensively. Also, my tab is cut so that I have to shoot one above, two
below.

PS. 
About the dress code. I thought that white pants and white shoes were 
required because archery was the sport of 'ladies and gentlemen'. We always 
wondered if we should wear white to a field competition, especially when we 
knew that the course would be muddy.....

PPS.(Sorry.) 
Could someone post the location of archery range near Boston again?
Or, would there be anyone out there who might be kind enough to give me a ride
to one?  Thanks.

Takeo Kuraishi
From: fsgah@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: that's gotta hurt!
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:48:17 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Another time I tried to shoot an apple off my brothers hand when in a freak
turn of events the arrow shot backwards and pierced my baby sisters best
friends dog right in the heart.  "Whoops, sorry lil buddy."
From: Timothy.P.Stammers@dartmouth.edu (Timothy P. Stammers)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Boweaver scope
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:40:45 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I just thought I'd share my opinion of a bow scope that I recently
purchased.  It is the Boweaver scope.  At first, I thought it would be
a really good idea, placing a green dot on the target (one of three
which are directly atop one another), which is basicly projected onto a
1x3" non-magnifying glass sight window that you look through (lighted
by a light gathering light pipe).  Well, I found it quite difficult to
use, the main reason being, because I have a 32" draw length, I
couldn't see all three dots at the same time.  I would have to move my
head slightly up or down.  Also, while at a friends house, I was
shooting a a white paper plate with a 3" black dot on it (on a back
stop, of course) from about 17 yds. and it was almost impossible to see
the target, since the transluscent green dot would basicly disappear
when I placed it on the target.

	Has anyone else tried this type of scope yet?  I'm curious .  - Tim

Tim.Stammers@Dartmouth.EDU
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From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Subject: Re: FITA specific
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.191153.15884@athena.mit.edu> kuraishi@athena.mit.edu (Takeo Kuraishi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.215357.17710@u.washington.edu>,
>dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault) writes:
>|>
>|> To expand on something else in the original post, am I the only one out here
>|> that shoots three fingers under? At least for target?
>
>No, I don't shoot that way either... I have tried it though, and had found it
>rather uncomfortable. The reason, I would guess, might be that;
>
>With three finger under, you have to hook your forefinger deeper than if
>you had one above and two under. Or, the ring finger would hook the string
>only slightly, which is not good for the muscle of the finger.
>
From your description, I assume you shoot off of the pads of your fingers.
I shoot out of the valley of the first knuckle, and allow the string to roll
out. For me, shooting three under helped eliminate the last bit of torque
generated by the string from fingers that do not release completely at once.
Also for barebow it brought the arrow closer to my eye which helps. I decided
not to switch between one and the other in my shooting. I can see your point
if you are shooting a loose index finger, but I found the comfort to be the
same.
>|> The guy that taught me to shoot three under told me that FITA people don't
>|> shoot that way out of inertia from established coaches, but I find that
>|> hard to believe.
>|>
>|> Dan
>Another reason against it might be that with three finger under, the relative
>position of the fingers and the arrow might differ from time to time. With
>fingers both above and under the arrow, you are guaranteed that you always
>draw the string at the same point on the string.
>Of course, this is all speculation, so I would like to know if this is true or
>not.
Well, the last bit I don't think is true, since in general three under shooters
shoot with their fingers snug against the arrow just like a traditional shooter,
unless you are stringwalking and then you are using the servings as a reference.

>
>I have also tried one above and one under, and it works fine when my fingers
>are strong enough. However, being out of practice too often, I have not tried
>this extensively. Also, my tab is cut so that I have to shoot one above, two
>below.
>
>PS.
>About the dress code. I thought that white pants and white shoes were
>required because archery was the sport of 'ladies and gentlemen'. We always
>wondered if we should wear white to a field competition, especially when we
>knew that the course would be muddy.....
>
>PPS.(Sorry.)
>Could someone post the location of archery range near Boston again?
>Or, would there be anyone out there who might be kind enough to give me a ride
>to one?  Thanks.
>
>Takeo Kuraishi


I have also tried using one above and one below, and ran into basically the
same problem. Particularly with a compound where it is common to drop the
third finger at full draw, I just didn't like messing with my fingers while
I was anchored.

Dan
From: adam@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Adam Rosham)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: arrow rest
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:54:39 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

Hiya,
Would anyone like to share with me their thoughts on launcher rests.
I am currently using a Golden Key Futura FT-Targetmaster, but I am
increasingly unhappy with it. I believe it is hard to tune it after
you have bent the prongs a few times, and I would like something new
to shoot carbons from. Is the Pacesetter I any good for carbons. I
believe it is called the Calibrator in the micro adjust version. It
seems that this would be the best and most reliable setup when it
comes to ease of tuning. Anyone use it for target?
Cheers,
Adam


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From: melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de (Stephan Melin)
Subject: Dress code for FITA (was Re: FITA specific)
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:51:36 GMT
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In article <1992Aug25.215357.17710@u.washington.edu>, dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault) writes:
|> To those who responded about typical shoots for FITA thank you, that was
|> what I was curious about, however Agnus Duggan mentioned a dress code?
|> Is this true? Also there was mention of a GNAS unlimited compound class,
|> does anyone know more about that? It is the first I have ever heard of
|> such a thing internationally. I shoot Freestyle here in the states, but
|> was given to the notion that that division was not really used internationally.
|> 

Well, it is true about the dress code (but as far as I know only for target FITA 
and not for field archery):
Usually you are supposed to wear white clothing, some national archery societies
allow also some other colors (the british GNAS for example allows you to wear 
"archery green"). Sometimes it is allowed to wear special club clothing...

Now to the general requirements for an international FITA-star tournament:
shoes 
male archers: long trousers, some shirt, T-shirt or sweat-shirt with at least half
              sleeves
female archers: trousers (at least bermuda shorts) or skirt, 
                some shirt, T-shirt or sweat-shirt
additional clothing is up to the archers...

Some of these requirements may seem odd at first glance, but for example shoes
are really meant for protection (stepping on an arrow, esp. a broken carbon arrow,
without shoes can lead to severe injuries). Half sleeves, well if you are outside
from 9am to 18pm and the sun burns all day...

I do not know enough of the GNAS rules, but for indoor shooting there is already
a compound class (the last indoor world championship had already a recurve and a
compound class). I have heard that starting from 1993 or 1994 there will be a 
compound class for outdoor shooting, but I have no further information on that.  

|> To expand on something else in the original post, am I the only one out here
|> that shoots three fingers under? At least for target? The replies I have    
|> gotten so far have been that people have never tried it, or that they see
|> it as a barebow technique to allow string walking. As I mentioned before,
|> I never shot FITA, but did shoot one over and two under for many years
|> before I switched, and I am really curious now if there are any FITA shooters
|> out there that have tried it for an extended period with thier FITA gear.
|> The guy that taught me to shoot three under told me that FITA people don't
|> shoot that way out of inertia from established coaches, but I find that
|> hard to believe.
Interesting... 


Good shooting
   
    Stephan

-- 
Stephan Melin

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From: don@q-aais.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Subject: Makings for ancient bows
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-24976]: q-aais.navo.navy.mil
Keywords: linen cross bow supplies antique
Reply-To: newcomb@navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:33:40 GMT

A friend whos is "into" ancient weapons (particularly bows) is
building a cross bow and needs a source of 1/8 inch linen cord
to bind the prod (bow) to the tiller (stock). If anyone knows a
source of this stuff please let me know by e-mail.

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From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: FITA specific
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:53:57 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

To those who responded about typical shoots for FITA thank you, that was
what I was curious about, however Agnus Duggan mentioned a dress code?
Is this true? Also there was mention of a GNAS unlimited compound class,
does anyone know more about that? It is the first I have ever heard of
such a thing internationally. I shoot Freestyle here in the states, but
was given to the notion that that division was not really used internationally.

To expand on something else in the original post, am I the only one out here
that shoots three fingers under? At least for target? The replies I have    
gotten so far have been that people have never tried it, or that they see
it as a barebow technique to allow string walking. As I mentioned before,
I never shot FITA, but did shoot one over and two under for many years
before I switched, and I am really curious now if there are any FITA shooters
out there that have tried it for an extended period with thier FITA gear.
The guy that taught me to shoot three under told me that FITA people don't
shoot that way out of inertia from established coaches, but I find that
hard to believe.

Dan
From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Fita rules
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:20:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

I've borrowed a copy of the Fita rules now, and found all sorts of things that
I didn't know (so I've ordered a copy for myself). For instance:

Fita has rules to cover Outdoor and Indoor target archery, Field archery,
Clout, Flight and Ski-Arc. There are divisions for Freestyle (recurve),
Standard bow, Compound, Barebow, and Flight bows.

As well as the normal Fita and Double Fita rounds, Fita also recognises the
Grand Fita round, Team Finals round, Olympic round, Half Fita round, Fita 900
round, and Fita Standard round, as well as the 25m and 18m indoor rounds and
marked and unmarked field rounds.

I'll post copies of the regulations for freestyle and compound bows in my next
messages.

a.
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Well, what about HS marching...
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:33:46 GMT

sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (scott radeker) writes:

>Now that it's fall, and HS marching competitions are the only fix
>I have, what do you think about some of the regional/pseudo national
>contests for HS bands.  Does anyone think they can name a truly
>national contest?

MBA Grand Nationals.  There are bands from all over there.

Maybe not a TRUE national championship, because a lot of good bands
don't attend.  But every bit as legitimate as the first couple of DCI
championships.

Later,
Bob
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Impressions--DCI Finalsdir
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:52:22 GMT

ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:

>Speaking of smoking drum solos, what are some of the Net's favorite.  Mine are
>(in no particular order):
>(1) Early '80's Spirit "Devil Went Down to Georgia"
>(2) '86 Devils "Channel One Suite"
>(3) '86 SCV (Don't know title)
>(4) '87 Spirit's Bass Drum part

Easy : Stone Ground Seven - SCV 1980

Others that I really liked:

SCV 1984 - can't remember the name, and it was an original.
Phantom 1987 - Trepak as it should be played.
Any of the early 80's Bridgemen solos, they were all packed with funk.

Later,
Bob

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Cadets '86 closer
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:01:50 GMT

David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I believe that I read somewhere that the 1986 closer was supposed to be
>a "spoof" on other drum corps shows (raincoats=Bridgemen, the lead-in to
>the final company front is a direct copy from the Blue Devils closer
>that year).  

The backwards company front is also a takeoff on Phantom.  (Look at the
flag work.)  The bump-and-grind section could be almost any senior
corps.  And the squealing contra is a Blue Devil ripoff.  There are
more, but it's been a while since I've seen this show, and I can't
remember any at the moment.

Later,
Bob
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From: raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee)
Subject: Re: Duct Tape
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 05:04:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <Bu0psM.49o@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>My question is:
>(1) did they do this, and

under the tic judging method,  you got degraded for mistakes made. If you 
can't hear a mistake, you can't get hit for it. Simple. 


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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Caption Awards
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:54 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


A while ago, someone asked who won the various captions this year.  Since
nobody has responded (at least that I can remember), here they are:

Brass: Star of Indiana
Percussion: Cavaliers
Visual: Cavaliers
Auxiliary: Blue Devils
General Effect: Cadets of Bergen County

-- Donald
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Subject: Re: Duct Tape (please let this time work...)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:44:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.202237.1@d0msu7.fnal.gov> jerger@d0msu7.fnal.gov writes:
>
>In article <Bu0psM.49o@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes..
>.
>>(3) Also, this just doesn't seem quite fair to the lines who marched seven,
>>    eight, or even ten and who all played?  These lines would have to
>>    water down their book more than BD.
>
>        IMHO, it's just a technique - "function minimization," if you will.
>It's not going to magically clean up a Sir Tickalot, and I don't think the
>goal is to stay taped up all season (though maybe some do). I have heard
>of guys being muffled to death, and I guess that does sound a little harsh.
>But I think that on a lesser scale it's just one thing you can do to improve
>or adapt - we (VK snares) didn't have anyone choked out with duct tape in 88,
>but Dave (our snare tech) would always fiddle with our tuning before a show,
>and I wouldn't doubt he tuned a weaker player or two down. Similarly,
>he switched our order around mid-season to smooth out some visual differences
>(and also because we cut a snare in Iowa - but that's another story). So
>I don't think even the extreme case is a huge, ill-gotten advantage, and the
>lesser case is just part of the game. It kind of sucks for the guy who gets
>tuned out, but on the other hand they could cut him...
>

I remember the snare line in '88 for Spirit was really good except for
one or two players.  Mike Back had to water down the solo so much for one
guy especially (singled nines watered down to sextuplets, flams taken out
or flam drags, and a very effective long roll pp->f->pp, etc. ).  Our tenor
line was really good, our bass line was smoking, possible bias :), with 
nine basses for the solo that where never 'ticked' on unisons or runs, and
our pit was good also.  I believe perc. finished 6th at finals, not bad
for 9th overall.  If we could of kept the meat in our snare book, we would
have done a lot better, IMHO.
 
>
>						Steve
>						jerger@msupa.pa.msu.edu
>
>

--David



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