From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Spraying Bullets with Dangerous Guns
Date: 11 Nov 1992 05:29:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
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In a previous article, watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt) says:

>
>In article <1992Nov10.031730.16275@ncsu.edu>, hes@ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
>
>	< Henry describes "rate of fire" experiment for single-shot handgun >
>
>|>   I put 10 cartridges in my jacket pocket, took an empty gun and
>|> paced off 5 yards from the target, started my timer and blazed
>|> away spraying bullets downrange until I was out of ammo.  I got


>|> 8 of the 10 shots in a square about 2" x 2", with one more shot
>|> about 2" higher and one 2" lower.  It took me 87 seconds, or 8.7
>|> seconds per shot.  It would have been less if I started with a
>|> loaded gun, and if I had practiced this speed firing before.
>|> 
>|>   Extrapolating from this, it would take less than 3 1/2 minutes
>|> to fire 23 aimed shots.  I think that this answers my question,
>|> and confirms that all firearms are dangerous.  Anyone who denies
>|> this is either uninformed or trying to divert attention from 
>|> this for some anti-gun purpose.
>
>When the "assault weapon" hysteria first broke, and Pres. Bush started
>waffling, I thought of issuing a public challenge.  I would offer to
>bet $1,000 that I could fire the same number of shots, in the same
>elapsed time, under equivalent target conditions as either Patrick Purdy
>(Stockton schoolyard massacre) or James Huberty (McDonalds massacre).
>But instead of using an "assault weapon", I would use the same type
>of gun and ammo President Bush takes quail hunting.
>
>I got talked out of making the challenge by folks who said it would
>embarrass a president who was "basically" on our side.
>I still don't know what Bush uses, but odds are it is an O/U double.
>With automatic ejectors, these are fairly fast to reload. If it's a
>bottom-loading pump or semi-auto, I might loose my bet. Certainly
>a 12ga with *any* kind of ammo is far deadlier in these kind of close
>quarters assaults than an AR-15 or AK-47 type rifle.
>
>Maybe if Bush joins the chorus of people endorsing "assault rifle"
>bans, I will re-activate my offer.  Anyone know what Bush shoots with?
>I also thought of trying the same demo with a black-powder revolver
>with removable cylinders.  Suppose you had a pocketfull of pre-loaded
>cylinders -- how long does it take to remove a completely fired
>cylinder and replace it with a fresh one?
>-- 
>  Alan S. Watt

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>
Unfortunately, this has the potential to backfire.  If you actually
persuade people that you are right, won't they decide they should
just work to ban *all* guns?
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The opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very
carefully thought out.  It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the
University of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University.
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