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From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock)
Subject: Adobe's SuperATM?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:47:26 GMT

Saw an ad for this recently; apparently, it's a package deal that includes
ATM 3.0, Adobe Type Reunion, the Type On Call CD-ROM, and "two multiple master
type faces for substitution" (the MacConnection brochure is marketing the
package as a way to "automatically create substitute fonts for typefaces you
don't have"...).

Anyone know WHICH "two multiple master type faces" are going to be included?

I don't expect much for $89 list, but if they're interesting I'll look into
it.

Thanks in advance,
tj.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: Matt Rowe <matt_rowe@gateway.qm.apple.com>
Subject: Re: Seeking adress of 'ATF'
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:52:55 GMT
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:52:54 GMT
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Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

Seeking adress of 'ATF'

Kingsley/ATF Type Corp.
Software Division (I assume that's what you want)
2559-2 E. Broadway
Tucson, Arizona 85716

KINGSLEY.ATF@AppleLink.Apple.com

--M@
 "Only your typesetter knows for sure."
  matt_rowe@gateway.qm.apple.com
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Looking for Optima?
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:15:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.223231.27087@melb.bull.oz.au> lro@YP.melb.bull.com  
(Liam Routt) writes:
> A friend of mine is looking for the Optima typeface for the Adobe Type 
> Manager. Does anyone knnow whether it is available from an ftp site 
> (shareware), or what company one should contact to get a hold of it?

Adobe sells it.



AK
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: "Alladin" Font
From: munday@dpd.com (Kevin M.)
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:00:57 PT
Organization: Data Processing Design,  Anaheim CA
Keywords: Alladin, Schindler, Legend, ITC
Summary: Legend is the typeface...


In article <1992Dec5.074508.27904@ee.gatech.edu>,
	dclark@shanghai.eecom.gatech.edu (Clark Geddie) writes: 

> I just got home from seeing Disney's "Alladin", and was wondering if
> anyone knows where I can find a Mac (or Windows if necessary) True Type
> Arabic-esque Roman character font like those in Alladin's credits.
> I have FontMonger, so really PostScript in either type will do as well.

The typeface used for "chapter heads" is Legend, a face designed by Ernest
Schindler. He designed it with the Arabic calligraphic script called Thuluth in
mind... I'd imagine that there's a PS Type 1 font available for it (check ITC or
Agfa CG for it...). 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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	"Scorn, and defiance, small regard..." - Exeter to the Dauphin, Henry V

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger)
Subject: Re: Request- Hebrew TERMINAL font / Israeli MS-Win info
Organization: AT&T Engineering Research Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:37:30 GMT

In article <BzD4Cx.5q3@nic.umass.edu> shmueli@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Avinoam Shmueli (Avi)) writes:
>Hello,
>
>This message intended specifically for Israeli or Hebrew-oriented Win 3.1
>users out there: your input will be appreciated!
>
>Aim:     Getting Israeli Hebrew DOS programs, such as Einstein
>         HebrewWriter, for example, to run _windowed_.
>Problem: Terminal font used in windowed sessions does not support
>         the Israeli character set, using Hebrew chars. in high ASCII values.
>Request: Is there a special Israeli edition of MS-Windows? If so, what
>         special features and support does it offer? If not, is there
>         at least a special Hebrew-compatible font for windowed DOS
>         applications out there?

Yes and yes. The Hebrew Windows is not (officially) available outside
Israel. It includes Hebrew support for all of the bundled WinApps,
including Windows Write, but the menus are in English and most
other applications work fine in it, although for Hebrew to work
well the application must be specifically rewritten.

Kabbalah Software sells a package called HebType which includes 
a couple of Win3.1 Hebrew terminal fonts. Kabbalah's fonts can
be used with this utility so you can copy Hebrew text out of
Einstein, for example, and paste it into any Windows app using
the Kabbalah fonts. HebType is $49 and includes a basic Hebrew
font, and additional fonts are $49 per set (TrueType and ATM.)
Kabbalah can be reached at 908-572-0891, or kabbalah@israel.nysernet.org.

UnDisclaimer: My wife owns Kabbalah Software, and I wrote HebType.

>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm Avinoam Shmueli (Avi), reach me at:        shmueli@student.umass.edu
>------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: petkos@polaris.utu.fi (Petri Koskelainen)
Subject: Re: Cyrilic font problem.
Organization:  Univ. of Turku
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:58:50 GMT

huber@felicitas.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de (Felix Huber) writes:

>>I got the Cyrilic TT font from nic.funet.fi, but there is a little
>>problem, the layout is quite odd (in Windows Word), I even must

>Could anybody tell me the name of the file that contains this font?
 
From nic.funet.fi: cyrttf.zip in directory pub/msdos/windows/tt-fonts. 

Petri Koskelainen
Comp. Sciences
Univ. of Turku
Turku, Finland
From: jkim@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: HELP : convert TEX font to type-1 font
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:18:29 GMT

Hi there
I am wondering how I can convert pc latex or TeX fonts to type-1 or truetype.
If anyone has an idea, please let me know it.
Thanks in advance
         JKIM@ECS.UMASS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: Adobe Font book <?>
Organization: Trilithon Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:58:31 GMT

In article <Dec01.231918.86449@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
jamison@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Jamie Gulden) writes:
    *  I think somebody recently posted info about the Adobe Type
    *  1 Font Formats book.  My local bookstore says that it won't
    *  be available until sept 93.  Is this right?  Is there any
    *  other documentation (maybe from adobe) about the format?
The Adobe Type 1 Font Formats Book has been available for about
two years.  Whether it's ``available'' now depends on which edition
you want.  The current edition is 1.1.  There is reputed to be
another edition coming Real Soon Now, probably containing information
about Multiple Master Fonts and such, but it's been coming Real
Soon Now for almost a year.

        ........  Henry
~
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: zisk@adobe.com (Stephen Zisk)
Subject: Re: "Larcombe" font + FontMonger = @#&%!!
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.180428.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, abreur@woods.ulowell.edu
wrote about problems with a Type 3 font and Fontographer.

Unlike Type 1, Type 3 is not a fixed format. You can use almost any
PostScript in a Type 3 font. When a program claims to "support Type 3
fonts," this means one of two things:

    1.) The program knows how to parse Type 3 fonts produced by some
        fixed set of programs, typically font creation programs, or
    2.) The program has some sort of PostScript interpreter built in,
        and can "distill" the essence of what a Type 3 font program
        is doing.

I believe that Fontographer uses (1), in which case a font from some
other program could not be handled. Additionally, a program using (2)
still might not be able to convert a Type 3 font. If a Type 3 font
does not use the cacheing mechanism, it can have truly weird stuff,
like random perturbations of curves, random selection of alternate
forms of a letter, or halftoning in color.

BTW, I do not know of a font creation/conversion program which handles
case (2) above.

Stephen Zisk (zisk@adobe.com)  Disclaimer: These are my personal views
Adobe Systems Incorporated     and do not represent the position of
Eastern Regional Office        Adobe Systems Incorporated.
24 New England Exec. Park
Burlington, MA 01803           They pay me but they don't muzzle me!
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
From: uad1077@dircon.co.uk (Ian Kemmish)
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:32:08 GMT

pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:

>  that the hinting is done by the renderer, antialiased font pixmaps are
>  likely to be easier to derive from Type 1 outlines than from TrueType
>  programs, whose hinting algorithms are simply not designed for
>  grayscaling. On the other hand, now that I think of it, antialiasing
>  on the average 16-256 graylevels/colors display gives such an apparent
>  increase of resolution that hinting probably is not important at all.
>
>--
>Piercarlo Grandi, Dept of CS, PC/UW@Aberystwyth <pcg@aber.ac.uk>
>  E l'italiano cantava, cantava. E le sue disperate invocazioni giunsero
>  alle orecchie del suo divino protettore, il dio della barzelletta

Huh?  The grid-fitting in TrueType operates purely on the
geometry of the outline and doesn't care (and can't find out) how
many colours your `pixels' can represent.  (And there can be even
more bizarre features of pixels than number of bits per pixel, say
if you're rendering to a CCIR-601 framestore and being required to
do the filtering in software:-(.)

You may be being misled by thinking in terms of supersampling as the
only way of achieving anti-aliased output from scan-conversion, and
further, thinking that you then have to apply the hints on the
granularity of the supersampled grod, not the original (or final,
depending on your viewpoint!) grid.  Neither of these is necessarily
true.

The only real survey I saw done on anti-aliased text (John Amanatides?
I'm not sure - I'll go and check) showed that prolonged viewing of
anti-aliased text induced more eyestrain than decently tuned
bilevel text.  Given that someone of his calibre would at least use
a monitor with the gamma set up correctly, and most PC users wouldn't,
I suspect this may be a good reason why it has never taken off.  I
can generate anti-aliased PostScript output (by super-sampling) and
look at it on the Sun screen, and while I can recognise words at
only a few pixels tall, I certainly wouldn't like to debug with that
text - I'd rather spend a bit more on a half-decent size screen and
use good 15-pixel bilevel text.

-- 
Ian D. Kemmish                    Tel. +44 767 601 361
18 Durham Close                   uad1077@dircon.co.uk
Biggleswade                       uknet!dircon!uad1077
Beds SG18 8HZ United Kingdom
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca (Richard Reiner)
Subject: best Type 1 to TT convertor
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:52:44 GMT

Is there any consensus about which is the best (Windows or DOS hosted)
Adobe Type 1 to Truetype font convertor?  (We need to convert a set of
fonts for internal use only, so copyright issues about the output of
the convertors aren't relevant).

Any information will be appreciated.-- 
Richard Reiner..............rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca..............416-538-3947

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: KC11@calvacom.fr (Kenneth CHASE)
Subject: Phonetic Fonts HELP !!!!
Summary: phonetic fonts for WINDOWS or font maker
Keywords: fonts police phonetic
Organization: R.C.I. CalvaCom
Distribution: all
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:06:17 GMT


We are desperatly seeking phonetic fonts for a WINDOWS application
They must exist out there somewhere, how do they do all those
cdrom dictionnaries and such ??? 

But if phonetic fonts for windows don't exist at least a font
maker for windows, at a resonable price, could do the trick.

We are working in french, but unless I'm mistaken the
phonetic symbol set is international, or does international
just mean indo-european languages ? I noticed that the University
of Zurich is also looking for phonetic fonts but indicated
an english one ? Would an english one not also be adequate
for French ?

I'd appreciate any answers or even questions: email me direct

Thanks,

Kenneth Chase
Media High Tech
175 Ave JJ Rousseau
92138 Issy les Moulineaux
France
voice: 33 1 41 08 11 61
fax :  33 1 41 08 11 99
email: kc11calvacom.fr
From: ees1in@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ivailo Nedelchev)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: portuguese fonts
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:36:22 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England


hi netters,

is there any ftp site supporting portuguese fonts for 
sparc station under sunos 4.1.1?

thank you,
ivailo
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From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Problems with NeXT Fonts
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer)
Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing


... so it is the right group!

Thanks for answering to my <NeXT-Fonts?> post. Those people who mailed to me  
asked me to specify my problems. So I'll try to do this (please ignore my bad  
English ...):

The problem I've got:

NS2.1 installed, I used without problems fonts with the following names:
- Garamond (the ITC garamond)
- AdobeGaramond
- StempelGaramond
- Garamond Three
After installing NS3.0 the AdobeGaramond and StempelGaramond disappeared from  
the font panel. A second run of 'font_update_2.0' (which works in 3.0 as fine  
as in 2.1!), 'buildafmdir' and at least 'cacheAFMData' didn't fix the problem.  
The fonts were shown as existing in the shell - but that doesn't fit to  
reality!
Using the old versions of 'font_update_2.0' and 'buildafmdir' (from NS 2.1 -  
the new 'buildafmdir' allows only to install about 256 fonts) didn't fix the  
problem, too.
Renaming the fonts AdobeGaramond to AdobeGaramont - using the T instead of D  
and StempelGaramond to Stempel - without 'Garamond (which was indeed a hard job  
- you have to do this into the outline and afm-files, too!) the fonts were  
represented with their new names in the font panel.
This might be only a interim fix - you get a lot of troubles in comunication  
with others (like Linotype-Services) because their fonts have the original  
names. Using the self-created new names results prints in Courier.

Is there anybody who knows about? Or has at least fixed the problem in a simple  
way. Please re-mail or re-post - thanks.

-Borris-
-- 

---
Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany
Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 - e-mail borris@boba.rhein-main.de
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Fonts & Mac System 7.1
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:55:28 GMT


GREMICF@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (M. David Greenspon) writes:

>bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:

>>There've been a couple of comments about the way that System 7.1 implements
>>fonts. I wrote the Mac portion of the FAQ but am not using 7.1 so I don't
>>really know how 7.1 works with fonts. If anyone can answer a few questions
>>(or actually write a brief review) for enclosing in the FAQ it would be
>>great!

>>Here's what I've heard: There is a font folder in the system folder where
>>printer fonts can be stored.

>Actually, ALL fonts are stored here (unless you open them with Suitcase, in
>which case they can be anywhere).
 
>>Screen display of Type 1 fonts is implemented as part of the system.

>Well, there were rumors several months ago that this would be the case, but
>it's not.  You need ATM to do this.

This is reported to be part of QuickDraw GX, a "system enabler" that
will be released at some point in the future.
 
>>1) Is ATM still useful?

>Yes, but you need 3.0 (or you need to hack an earlier version).
 
If you are using Suitcase, earlier versions of ATM will still work fine.

>>Any other hints?

The Fonts folder has a 128-suitcase limit.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@sco.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: dangt@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Dang Thanh Ngan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Armenian and Vietnamese fonts
Keywords: fonts, Armenian, Vietnamese
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:51:29 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Dec11.043033.10901@ucc.su.OZ.AU> chrisr@sue.econ.su.oz.au (Christopher Rauchle (x2747)) writes:
>
>From article <5641@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, by shp@rhi.hi.is (Sigurdur H Palsson):
>> 
>> 	Does anyony know of an Armenian Truetype/Postscript font for the Mac
>> (preferably freeware/shareware). If so, please inform me.
>> 
>> shp@rhi.hi.is				Sigurdur H. Palsson
>
>I would be very interested in an Armenian Truetype/ATM font for the PC.
>I would also be interested in a Vietnamese font.
>Even if someone could point me in the right direction to obtain either of
>these fonts I would be very grateful.
>					thanks,
>					Chris.
>					(chrisr@sue.econ.su.oz.au)
>
>
>-- 
>Chris Rauchle			phone:	+61 2 692 2747	
>Economics Department		fax:	+61 2 552 3105
>Uni of Sydney NSW 2006		ACSnet:	chrisr@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
>AUSTRALIA			

     Hi, Vietnamese font can be found at the following ftp site


monu6.cc.monash.edu.au under /pub/vietnam
oak.oakland.edu    under /pub/msdos/viscii
ftp.uu.net         under /systems/ibmpc/msdos/simtel20/viscii
archie.au                /micros/pc/oak/viscii
wuarchive.wustl.edu      /mirrors/msdos/viscii



Bum
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
From: eric14@bernina.ethz.ch (Eric Baltischwiler)
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:06:08 GMT


my $ 0.02::

Filtering big 600 dpi characters -> to little 75 dpi images sounds
like you will need wide some very wide filters.  This sounds
computationally expensive to me.  I'll bet your results will be fairly
fuzzy too unless you again use a fairly complex filter.


--
---
Eric Baldeschwieler
email: eric14@tik.ethz.ch	[Life is too short for a long .signature]
From: litauer@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Christoph Litauer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Help identifying a font
Date: 9 Dec 1992 10:23:24 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Koblenz
Distribution: world
Reply-To: litauer@infko.uni-koblenz.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: bruch.uni-koblenz.de

	I need some help in identifying a particular font. It's very
	much like Helvetica but the 'a' and 'l' must look like this:

	   @@@ @@			@@
	  @@ @@@@			@@
	 @@   @@@			@@
	 @@    @@			@@
	 @@   @@@			@@
	  @@ @@@@			@@
	   @@@ @@			@@
					@@
					@@@@	
				         @@@

	Anybody ever seen this one? It's used in german schoolbooks for
the first years.
Thanks in advance.

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Universitaet Koblenz,                              litauer@infko.uni-koblenz.de
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rbarclay@trentu.ca (ROSS BARCLAY)
Subject: Truetype slows down the system???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent Computing and Telecommunications Department
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:21:00 GMT


I have recently installed a whole bunch of truetype fonts on my
system. My system has really slowed down. Is this my imagination or
is truetype slower than ATM? _Everything_ seems slower, not just font
manipulation, etc . . .

Thanks for any info

________________________________________________________________________________

"Here, finish your strudel! <Crash>"           Ross Barclay - RBarclay@TrentU.CA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: glenn@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Glenn A. Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:02:09 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu

See the following:

    "Standardization of Keyboard Layout for Indian Script Based Computers"
    in Electronics-Information & Planning, Vol. 14, No. 1, Oct. 86, Indian
    Department of Electronics (DOE).

    IS 13194:1991, "Indian Script Code for Information Interchange,"
    Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi, November 1991.

Glenn Adams
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: whereis Trutype Font Specification Document
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:34:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <12427@obelix.icce.rug.nl> erikjan@icce.rug.nl (Erik-Jan Vens)  
writes:
> In <1992Dec17.095313.1@max.u.washington.edu> games@max.u.washington.edu  
writes:
> >ftp from FTP.UU.NET
> >in the vendors MicroSoft TrueType directory.  It comes in WORD format.
> 
> Or ftp from obelix.icce.rug.nl, where I have stored it in PS format.

Argh!  Doesn't anyone have it in RTF?  I took the Word
version over to my NeXT and it's OK, but there're extra
characters in it.  PostScript isn't nearly as useful
since it's harder to search. 

ab
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: odonnell@adobe.com (Terry O'Donnell)
Subject: Adobe font book
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.225831.1806@trilithon.mpk.ca.us>
henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes:

> jamison@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Jamie Gulden) writes:
>    *  I think somebody recently posted info about the Adobe Type
>    *  1 Font Formats book.  My local bookstore says that it won't
>    *  be available until sept 93.  Is this right?  Is there any
>    *  other documentation (maybe from adobe) about the format?
> The Adobe Type 1 Font Formats Book has been available for about
> two years.  Whether it's ``available'' now depends on which edition
> you want.  The current edition is 1.1.  There is reputed to be
> another edition coming Real Soon Now, probably containing information
> about Multiple Master Fonts and such, but it's been coming Real
> Soon Now for almost a year.
>        ........  Henry

A new version of the Type 1 book containing the multiple master
extensions is still in the future. There was an announcement 
a few months ago about a new version - but it is now on hold.

In the meantime, version 1.1 is still available from the Adobe
sales department (800 833-6687 (in the US) ), and that version
will be reprinted soon. Also, I am looking into why the publisher 
appears to have stock left but bookstores are reporting they can't 
order it.

The multiple master format extensions to the Type 1 spec - and other
miscellaneous updates and errata, are available from the PS file 
server:

* Adobe Type 1 Font Format: Multiple Master Extensions (#5086) -
documents the multiple master format.

* "Updates to the Adobe Type 1 Font Format" (#5047) - this short
document details the minor changes made in version 1.1. An update
to this is due out soon.


Terry O'Donnell
Adobe Developer Support





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