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From: kspeicht@kilcom1.ucis.dal.ca (KEVIN SPEICHTS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Sequential Multipoint Fuel Injection
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:58:39 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia


  I recently bought a 1990 Chrysler DaytonaES, it has a 3.0 Litre 
V6 Mitzubishi engine.  It has Sequential Multipoint Fuel Injection.  What 
exactly is SMFI and how does SMFI differ from MFI?   Also, does anyone 
know anything about the history and merits of the Mitzubishi 3.0L V6 engine.
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: -- NEED HELP BUYING AN AMERICAN CAR (please read) --
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:10:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Apr3.181707.25211@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, by mperlman@isis.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman):
> BIG cars are GREAT! I drive a Camaro..which is a big car when

Fer sure, if you prefer herding pigs to driving a car.

> If you want a car that is pretty decent...get a chevy caprice! It is
> what all the cops drive... It isn't HUGE, but it is big and roomy.

True, it is not HUGE, it is a wallowing monstrosity.
> 
> Not to mention that it is made like a tank!

In more ways than one!

Chris Prael
Newsgroups: rec.autos,soc.culture.indian
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Subject: Re: Are all Americans stupid
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:22:46 GMT



kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Adrian T Kerr) writes:
> magazine a Lambourghini Diamblo was driven legally at 204mph on a German 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^                                       
> autobhan.To be honest I don't need to be able to
  ^^^^^^^^
> Surely my sense of homour has momentarily disappeared but I am sure someone 
                     ^^^^^^
in one of the auto news groups was disscussing how to put her lipstick on whilst
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: pb1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Philip Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Maxima SE VS Camry SE
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:58:00 GMT
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have heard alot of talk on the net about the CAMRY SE and some seem
excited.  Does anyone out there really think it is comparable to the
Maxima SE with the 300 ZX engine.  I don't think so.
									-Phil
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Oil recommendations sought.
Reply-To: jchen@flash.UUCP (Jason Chen)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:26:18 GMT

In article <12110040@hpmwfab2.HP.COM> mdrayton@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Mike Drayton) writes:
>About 3 years ago Consumer Reports published results of their work on
>motor oil -- the only comparative study I've ever seen.  It indicated
>that Castrol was the best choice in terms of retaining viscosity, in
>particular.  Its weakness was being too heavy in cold temperatures,
>which is fine with me in my climate -- Northern California.  Pennzoil
>came in a close second.  Check out the article; I think it was Feb.
>'89.  You can find it at your library, no doubt.
>
Castrol was the best in PETROLIUM-based oil. Mobil 1 was the best of all.

C. Jason Chen 
jchen@flash.bellcore.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fabulous New RX7
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:55:26 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr10.140937.32748@introl.introl.com> pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz) writes:
>In article <Apr.9.13.51.07.1992.26874@blaze.rutgers.edu> steinmar@blaze.rutgers.edu (Dan Steinmark) writes:
>>
>>In article <180952@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>>
     [ net.slander.  I didn't write a SINGLE word of the quoted
     postings....]   

     My net.lawyers will be in touch!  >:-)

>>------
    [ Dunno who really said this...]

>>In 1983, (4?) the 2nd generation RX-7 came out, a seemingly wonderful
>>sports car for about $15K.
>>
>>Now, in 1992, the MX-3 comes out, (about $16K) with pretty similar
>>(armchair) performance.  (Any one done a comparo on these?)
>>------
     [ I believe Pete said this... ]

>I have to disagree on this point. The mx 3 doesn't even compare
>to the performance of a 2nd generation rx7. Nor does the 240.
>I drove a 240, I was, to say the least, unimpressed.
>
     Compare the RX-7 convertible to the Miata.  The Miata is just a
     tad quicker...believe it or don't.  

     The Miata is also a bit quicker than my 85 RX-7 (the 2nd
     generation actually came out in 86..the generic marshmallow
     944 clone look...).  

>The rx7 is much more refined. 
    
     No contest...of the two I wouldn't want a Miata, but the 91
     convert is nice, IMHO.  

>
>In 1987 (the 2nd year of th 2nd generation) my car listed for
>14.5k. (Non turbo / sport package. 5 lug wheels, HD brakes,
>lots of other options.)
>
    The coupes are quicker than the Miata...but the convertible is a
    tad heavy for 160 bhp.  

    What would be nice is a 93 twin-turbo with at least a Targa
    arrangement...but I do prefer roadsters for the Bay area...
From: cmj@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Chris Jenkins|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bug deflectors - worth the bother?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:10:37 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Michigan State University

From article <30139@cbmvax.commodore.com>, by dean@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jeff Dean - LSI Test):
> I'm getting a new Explorer, and I'm wondering if bug deflectors do
> anything for a truck/SUV?  I've seen lots of 'em on the road but
> nobody has ever said they were worth the bother.  Any opinions?
> 
Actually, I used to think that bug deflectors and nose bras both were about
the silliest affectations available for a car.  But something occurred to me
recently.  If you look at many, many cars these days, you'll notice that
the very front of the hood is one of the most rusty spots on a car.  Little
brown dots all over.  Not from bugs, but stone chips (They LOVE to tar and
chip roads here in MI.  "Saves money, don'cha know.")  I guess auto makers 
are spending so much time keeping the doors and fenders from rusting, they've
neglected the hood and trunk. 
Now I'm thinking about getting one of those "silly" deflectors for myself...

Just my HO.

---cmj
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Datsun 2000 (Was Re: Fabulous New RX7)
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:46:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.153850.10406@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>Don't forget the Datsun 2000 roadster.  It sold for $2,995 in the
>late '60s, ran C Production, and would whip the average Porsche
>Carerra at the race track (well maybe not Bruce Jennings at
>Marlboro :-).
>
>Bill

I knew someone who had one of these little rockets. It was definitely a killer
of just about everything back then. They just don't make cars like that
anymore. The Renault 5 was about as close as anyone has come in the last ten
years, but even then, to think that the 2000 came from Japan in the late
Sixties!

Dan
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From: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Japanese auto industry
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:07:18 GMT
Reply-To: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

About a month ago, I asked this newsgroup if the Japanese and German
auto industries have labor unions as they do in the US and Canada.
Not one person offered a response.  Does this mean that we don't
know?  It seems to me that we shouldn't bash something that we don't
understand.

Max Logan
Nashua NH
From: powell@interlan.Interlan.COM (Glen D. Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: salescum
Summary: liars
Keywords: salescum
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:26:47 GMT
Organization: Racal InterLan, Inc., Boxborough, MA (1-800-LAN-TALK)

How can you tell when your salescum is lying to you?

When his lips are moving!

-glen


-- 
Fundsalo Racing (used with permission) -- 73 CP Firebird, 85 Quattro
The Few..... The Proud..... The Concurrently Executed.....
Ex-Alliant
From: mitch@dc49.dc (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bug deflectors - worth the bother?
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:31:29 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@dc49.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 30139@cbmvax.commodore.com, dean@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jeff Dean - LSI Test) writes:
>I'm getting a new Explorer, and I'm wondering if bug deflectors do
>anything for a truck/SUV?  I've seen lots of 'em on the road but
>nobody has ever said they were worth the bother.  Any opinions?
>
I have a clear contoured deflector on my '91 Chevy 4x4 (Deflectashield) and
there are two minor drawbacks that I know of.  The first is it causes my
mirrors to vibrate slightly, probably due to some turbulance caused by the
laminar flow around the side getting screwed up.  The second is that it's a
pain to clean underneath it since it hugs the leading edge of the hood so
closely.  I squeeze a towel underneath and it seems to work OK.

It will NOT eliminate all bugs from hitting your windshield.  If you are expecting
it to then you will be disappointed.  I draw two significant advantages to having
it on my rig.

The first is that it prevent some or most of the bugs from hitting the windshield.
Certainly less than without it.  I drove through the desert with my friend who has
the identical truck without the shield and his windshield had considerably
more bugs than mine.  It also keeps a certain amount of dust, sand, and stones
off the windshield too, although it is not a cure-all.

The second is that the leading edge of your hood will be protected from dings
and dents.  The leading edge of the hood is a primary place for dings to start
which eventually turn into potential rust.

If you want to keep your rig in zoot condition then I would consider it.
If you don't care then the vibration of the mirrors might not be worth it.
You can still see in the mirrors, it's just an annoyance more than anything
else.

---

Mitch Sako - LSI Logic Corp		Phone  408-433-4187
internet:    msako@lsil.com		FAX    408-433-8796
uucp:        lsil!msako
From: kicker@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: '89 Dodge Daytona Shelby FOR SALE...
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:44:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Apr6.104408.1669
Organization: Mankato State University

CAR FOR SALE:

1989 Dodge Daytona Shelby

-two-tone paint blue/dark metallic silver
-2.2 liter fuel injected engine
-intercooled turbocharger
-5 speed sport-ratio transmission
-four wheel disc brakes
-16 inch factory alloy directional wheels
-B.F. Goodrich P215/55VR16 Comp T/A tires
-stainless steel exhaust system
-full factory ground effects and driving lights
-factory rear louvers
-factory sun roof (huge)
-tinted windows
-factory air-type horn
-factory Infinity AM/FM cassette stereo w/full logic deck controls
-air conditioning
-tilt wheel
-cruise control
-driver side airbag (a BIG insurance break)

Power Accessories:
	-windows
	-door locks
	-driver seat, six-way, with side, wing, lumbar, and thigh adjustments
	-remote mirrors, both sides
	-rear defogger/defrost

	The car has 54,000 miles on it, and is used to commute to college
daily.  I do all of my own maintainance, and haven't had any problems with the
car.  Oil, filter, and air filter have been changed religiously every 2,000
miles.  The only part put in the car is an alternater.  I'm selling the car
because 1) I can't afford it any longer, because of school; and 2) I've got
this sudden urge to get a bullet bike.  It's absolutely mint inside and out,
and is very dependable, not to mention fun to drive.  The engine puts out about 
174 hp, and just under 175 ft/lbs. of torque (loosley translated, that means
0-60 times under 7 seconds, and top speed around 149).  All that with great 
fuel efficiency: 32 hwy, and 25 cty.

	Book value is over $8,000.00 

	I'm asking $7,500.00, which is very reasonable.

	If you are interested, please respond via private e-mail to:

		kicker@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU

	My name is Curt, and my home phone is (507) 234-5378
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: End of Golden Era at Honda
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:39:00 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: jondu@microsoft.com's message of 7 Apr 92 08:32:11 GMT
bcc: carl


>And the new Legend coupe is also an Oldsmobile in disguise.  Haven't
>tried the NSX, though that is probably a big exception to this claim.

Really?   And which Olds is that?

-Carl-
--
From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Honda Factory Rebates...
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:30:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I got this from my dealer:
Honda has some odd dealer incentive programs.  On Accords they offer
$200 back per car if the dealer sells more than 100 cars in a month. 
On Civics/Preludes they offer $50 per car if the dealer sells
100/month, $100 per car for 150/month.  This was the excuse that my
dealer used why he couldn't give me any more discount on the car, you
see they only sell about 85 cars a month.  I could have screamed
because if you calculate it out, he can get $5000 for selling 15 more
cars, so he'd make a profit even if he sold each of those cars at a
$300 loss!  That would be a great deal for me and 14 other people, but
the dealer was too stupid to actually TRY and sell more than 100!

bri
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fabulous New RX7
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:09:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Apr10.140937.32748
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <Apr.9.13.51.07.1992.26874@blaze.rutgers.edu> steinmar@blaze.rutgers.edu (Dan Steinmark) writes:
>
>In article <180952@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>
>Well, while Mazda, Nissan (and even Mitsu) have gone upscale with their
>top of the line sportsters, they have filled in the middle with the likes
>of the MX-3, 240SX, and Eclipse.  When compared to the previous generation
>RX-7, 300ZX (or possibly even 240Z), and the Conquest, you can see that
>the performance (if NOT the _character_) of all of them are indeed roughly
>similar to their predecessors.  As to how "inexpensive" these ~$16K cars
>are, well, its about the same (or less) than the last year before the big
>performance upgrade.
NOT.
>------
>Sample case in point:
>In 1983, (4?) the 2nd generation RX-7 came out, a seemingly wonderful
>sports car for about $15K.
>
>Now, in 1992, the MX-3 comes out, (about $16K) with pretty similar
>(armchair) performance.  (Any one done a comparo on these?)
>------
>Seems like you can get about the same performance for less money (in
>relative $$) for the new car.  And, that's the way it should be.

I have to disagree on this point. The mx 3 doesn't even compare
to the performance of a 2nd generation rx7. Nor does the 240.
I drove a 240, I was, to say the least, unimpressed.

The rx7 is much more refined. The only thing in your list that is
on par is the turbo Eclipse. Which is priced relatively well.

In 1987 (the 2nd year of th 2nd generation) my car listed for
14.5k. (Non turbo / sport package. 5 lug wheels, HD brakes,
lots of other options.)

-Pete
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
Pete Ikusz	Introl Corporation	pete@introl.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Subject: Re: Jump-starting 91-92 GM cars
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:48:08 GMT

nash@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Ron Nash) writes:

>True, but the regulator does this by swithing the alternator off and on
>at a rate depending on the load and speed of the alternator.  At idle,
>most cars will not run without a battery (or a battery that is open
>internally) unless a large load, such as the headlights, is present.
>I have personally run into this my self, and the only way to keep the
>car running was to turn on the headlights, or it would die as soon and
>the cables were removed.

True with mechanical regulators, but electronic regulators continuously
vary the alternator field current. Besides, a dead battery is a huge
load anyway.
-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:23:56 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <BMEDxq.3sA@world.std.com> kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup) writes:
>For those who say that diesels freewheel- were you driving a slushbox or a
>stick? Shushboxes freewheel easily. I have heard that if a diesel suddenly
>dies, esp. on slippery pavement, that the sudden engine braking can cause
>the driver to lose control.

my *personal* observations -- 1990 Dodge W350 Cummins-powered with Getrag
5-speed manual... 'like-vehicle comparison' -- 1989 W350 with 4-speed manual
and 360cid gas-pig, same final drive ratio, both in direct drive (no overdrive
used)...  i partially based my contention that Diesels will 'freewheel' on this
comparison  and also on statements from operators of 18-wheelers (and, well,
those folks are even a bit more familiar with Diesel operating characteristics
than i am...).

btw, a 'slushbox' doesn't necessarily freewheel... in my more foolish days, i
used to coast downhill in an automatic-transmissioned truck with ignition *off*
and at the base of the hill turn the ignition back *on* to generate very loud
muffler explosions...  a feat that would be impossible if that transmission had
freewheeled, as you state...  btw, it was a Dodge, with Loadflite trans...

walt k.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dgg@llcn2.jhuapl.edu (Dave Gawron)
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:02:34 GMT

In <1992Apr14.140550.20408@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Adrian T Kerr) writes:

>Well where do I start?

>Perhaps the title is a bit abusive but from the articles I have read here and elsewhere I have not seen anything to suggest the average American has an IQ higher than your average chimp!

Well Adrian, at least chimps can be trained to use the return key more often
when banging on a keyboard (your message has a single return per paragraph
according to my reader)!  8-)


>Where are the statistics that say 55mph is the safest maximum speed a four wheeled vehicle can travel at? In Britain the maximum allowable speed on motorways is 70mph and this is woefully slow! In Germany there is a recommended speed limit of 80mph but if the conditions permit then it is lawful to travel at any speed your vihicle is capable of. In a recent article in a European motoring magazine a Lambourghini Diamblo was driven legally at 204mph on a German autobhan.To be honest I don't need to be a


> drive at 200mph but it is reasonably safe then why not? A limit of 90mph however would seem a very acceptable limit for modern European cars ( not bloody automobiles as stupid Americans splutter on about ) capable of cruising at 100mph very safely ( I have personal experience of this since on most journeys on British motorways I travel above 80mph in as much safety as the other road user's ).

Have you ever driven on an American highway?  I live between Baltimore and
Washington DC.  They are connected by two highways.  Invariably the traffic
on either is zipping along at 70 to 75mph during rush hour.  Most people
totally ignore the speed limit.  Where are your statistics regarding
America's supposed fanatic compliance with speed limits?

-Dave-
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: dsr@chickpea.mitre.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Subject: Re: Air Filters--Fram vs K&R
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
	<1992Apr1.103110.22277@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<1992Apr2.150008.26313@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
	<1992Apr6.111548.10373@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.111548.10373@doug.cae.wisc.edu> dschneid@galois.ece.wisc.edu (Dan Schneidewend) writes:

   In article <1992Apr2.150008.26313@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> efisch@councilb1.austin.ibm.com writes:
   >In article <1992Apr1.103110.22277@doug.cae.wisc.edu> dschneid@hollerith.ece.wisc.edu (Dan Schneidewend) writes:
   >>                                   The down side is that they cose
   >>$20 or more a filter (although the filters are lifetime filters,
   >>an are cleaned rather than replaced so may be a little cheaper in
   >>the long run)
   >>
   >>
   >>Dan
   >
   >Is the cleaning process just a matter of running the filter through
   >some water or does the filter need some special oil and have a
   >monatanous way of prepping it for use?
   >
   >Eric 

   The cleaning requires a cleaning kit from K&N. The kit consists
   of a can of solvent and a can of oil.  The solvent is applied 
   first, then your rinse in water, let dry, re-oil, and your
   done.  The process takes about 1-2 hours because of drying
   time.  The cleaning kit it available for about 6-8 dollars,
   and depending on the size of your filter is good for about
   2-5 cleanings.

I really hate the gauze filters, but you don't need the special
cleaning kit.  Buy a quart of Lestoil and a can of Marvel mystery oil
(or another very light oil).  As above, wash with the Lestoil, let dry
and oil lightly.

IMHO, unless you're really trying for the last percentage of
performance, the performance filters are a big pain in the a**.
--
Douglas S. Rand 
Internet:   <dsrand@mitre.org>
Snail:	    MITRE, Burlington Road, Bedford, MA 
Disclaimer: MITRE might agree with me - then again...
Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
Newsgroups: rec.autos