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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
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y'know, thinking of Torkel & his translation - he must be pruning an awful
lot of the descriptions & explanations out when he translates something -
I bet the 'dirty rice' is condensed into two or three words rather than
the complete recipes we've had here... and you can't sprinkle a novel like
that with copious footnotes - it just isn't done... so I was thinking, how
about a special 'director's cut' edition with a parallel text and glossary
and social commentary - could start a whole new trend in Swedish bookreading :-)

G
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> > Yeah, and plus when she gets hers we'll have matching cars yet again cause
> > I am gonna get one too.
> > It's the del Sol, btw.
>
> That's a good sign.  I have a feeling that abh knows what she's doing when
> choosing cars.  All I know about the Sol (isn't it redundant to say "the
> del Sol"?) is that it looked cute in the picture I saw.  What color are you
> gonna get?  And here's the *big* question:  which one is Miata Sinclair gonna
> rush to first??
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I can see that there will be a very difficult decision coming up
right soon.  How will we (me and my miata) decide?  Who will offer
the best <deal>?  What's in it for us?  Oh me oh my this will be a
case of pure-dee torn between two lovers.  Will have to seek the
advice of the more knowlegeable, such as gt or ts....  Perhaps
the color will be the deciding factor.
--ggs
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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Come on, Susan!!
(Encouragement from the sidelines.)

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Questions
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              29 Dec 1992 11:05:17 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:05:17 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>injury."  Blindness is pretty real.  I've noticed that in the enormous

           no shit, said the scared shitless cyclops....   o-)

>father) is an ophthalmic surgeon.  I think there's a connection.

   does he do corneas?  retinas?   the guy who did me (well, my eye, not
ALL of me, graham....) has a practice "limited to diseases and surgery
of the vitreous, retina, and macula"

>I don't think BB guns are very common in this country anymore.  They were
>everywhere when I was a child, but I don't remember having noticed them in
>recent years.  People may be catching on.

   yeah...they're catching on to REAL guns....why should a kid screw with
a silly bb gun when he can have a real weapon....ask any ghetto kids or
others.....   <smiley intentionally omitted>

>> Does 'Oil of Wintergreen' mean anything to you?  Ever do athletics.  Yuk.
>
>Oil of Wintergreen rings no bells with me, although I do like the taste of
>Wintergreen mints.  Do what kind of athletics?

   once again an oil that can be rubbed on as a liniment....it is HOT....
get someone to put some in your jock if you want to feel REAL fire in
your loins.....(have seen it done...NOT funny to the recipient)

dan
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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) says:

>>   >I guess it means that the heels are worn down -- probably unevenly -- i.e.,
>>   >part of the heel is thicker than another part.
>>   But if so, is this somehow significant?
>
>He's sloppy?  Macho-style unkemptness?

More likely a reference their being "drug-store cowboys" - all duded up, but 
no dogies to handle.:-)  It also means they can't afford new boots, or at least
to put new heels on the old ones.
>>
>>    a) "he wouldn't piss on a cop on the pad if he was on fire",
>>    b) "When you were a cop...how many guys were on a pad?"
>On the beat??

On the take.

>>   They're the same size here. But what is the derivation of "BB"?
>
>"A standard size of lead shot that measures about .46 cm., or 0.18 in.,
>in diameter. [Perh. from the letter b.]"  American Heritage Dictionary.
>What's Perh.?  I keep thinking it must be something obvious, but my mind
>is blank at the moment.

Perhaps?:-)
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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>Say Carolyn, *which* attributes did you think you had in common
>with the Wombat?
>
>G

Big brown eyes; upper body strength; solidly built (for action not speed);
friendly personality; nocturnal animal........ and those we talked about
before (I just know you want me to say this), 'eats roots and leaves'...
Hey, I love onions and lettuce. ;-)

Carolyn
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:46:16 GMT, "Aaron L Dickey" <kieran@WORLD.STD.COM> wrote:
> As for the modem, try to get a copy of the November '92 MacUser, which has
> a long article comparing all the latest high-speed modems.  They rated the
> Supra FaxModem 14.4 as the all-around best-bang-for-the-buck.  I currently

Unless of course you bought it where abh bought hers, bwahahahaha :-)))

G
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*** Resending note of 12/24/92 11:53


>I don't understand the point of these stories.  Nobody has died yet.
>Does somebody fall off the crane in the next episode?

>G

Gee ...I missed all your great cheery comments!  Send me a very large,
self-addressed, postage paid envelope, and I'll send you a collection of
stories from the local papers about murders, tragedies, etc. that I might
not have already posted.
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*** Resending note of 12/28/92 20:33

>ndh (who found out that Christmas with a grandchild is much more fun than
>Christmas was without one)

Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!  It sure is ....even if he did take Muffy's toy.
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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Hi, Akio!
  Adrian Paul plays Duncan McCloud, the title character on the Highlander.
This is based on the 2 Highlander movies (which are about immortals who
can only be killed by decapitation by another immortal).  Adrian Paul is
a HUNK; he and Geraint Wyn Davies (of Forever Knight) are the top two
hunks on TV today (IMO).

Evelyn Duncan
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>  Ruth about the "rotten Canadian wesbster":
>  >Besides, it's probably printed in Japan!
>
>  I believe I mentioned before that I can no longer access the local Next
>Webster, so the "webster" command now connects to a computer in Canada.
>However, their on-line Webster is nowhere near as good as that in the Next.
>
WIMP!  Real Webster-users read hard copy.  On-line's for people who can't
use an index.<grin>  Just kidding.  No access to OED online then?  Oh well,
too bad.
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:20:51 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Song (for Natalie)
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                      The Good-Torkel

I wonder, by my beagle, what thou and I
Did, till we e-mailed?  Were we productive then,
Sucked knowledge and wrote papers childishly?
Or snorted we in the halls of academe?
'Twas so; But this, all pleasures fancies be.
If ever any jollies came to me,
Twere seeds and shoots and dreams prefiguring E.

And now good Torkel delves into our souls,
Which through the airy phone lines grow more near;
For e-mail all other meaning in life controls,
And makes the internet an everywhere.
Let word processors to new fonts have gone,
Let Lotus to other, facts and numbers shown,
Let us possess e-life; each hath one, and is one.

My mail on thy screen, thine on mine appears,
Reflections just as real as eyes reflect;
Where can we find such merging without fears
Without sharp sound, without careless neglect?
Whatever fades was not sent equally;
If our two hosts be linked, or thou and I
Think so alike that none do waver, none will sigh.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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9)  Eddie Matthews:  He was a baseball player in the late fifties and
sixties for the Detroit Tigers.  As a teenager I thought he was <so>
good looking, and he was a good player also.

Dizzy Dean's "Wabash Cannonball":  Dizzy Dean was a baseball player turned
sports announcer who narrated many major leage ball games.  He was a
southerner and spoke like a "hick."  When nothing exciting was happening
in a game he would burst into song, and "Wabash Cannonball" (about a
train) was one of the songs he sang frequently.

Stephan, feel free to add to or correct the above. :-)

 doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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:Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK> writes:
:>On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:28:05 LCL, "Anne Haycock" <haycock@MARLEY.THINK.COM>
:> wrote:
:>> I'm certainly not qualified to speak from a man's perspective, but I
:>> wouldn't doubt it is somewhat similar.  Although, I would have to insist
:>Neither is Aaron.
:I hardly think you're qualified to be making such accusations, Graham.

It wasn't an accusation; it was a disclaimer.  I was saying that your
unique personal take on sexual harassment in the street wasn't commonly
held by all men.

G
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
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Entertainment please.

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
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From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
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> From: CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Mart y writes.

> It appears to me that Montgomery's objection to mockery as a discursive
> technique reflects his belief that it is an inefficient means.  He has
> suggested on more than one occasion that mockery is not likely to
> alter the opinions held by one's opponent.  That may be, but even so it
> is something of an oversimplification.  In many arguments, the
> contenders have no hope of persuading one another, but wish to attract the
> undecided.  Is there any doubt that ridiculing and mocking one's
> opponent and his beliefs and behavior is a highly effective means to this
> end?  Further, is it not the case that truly effective mockery often
> reflects a deep understanding of the opponent and her beliefs and behaviors?

It wasn't a main point, only a side observation. I suspect that it
is pretty fruitless to think in terms of persuading some away from their
deeply held beliefs, anyway.

> I think any assertion that mockery is ineffective will ultimately be
> insupportable.  If there is a rigorous principled argument against mockery,
> I would certainly like to hear it.
I'm sure it can be most effective, but for what purposes, and are they
worth pursuing? The criticism isn't against mockery per se; it is against
the mocking of deeply held beliefs.

> I've mentioned Swift, Voltaire, and Aristophanes as well-known mockers; I
> should add Twain as well.

I'm not at all sure that satire and mockery can be equated. Reflecting
someone's foibles in a somewhat exaggerated way, is not the same thing
as making fun of their deep convictions. Mocking a person's
actions because they run counter to that person's professed beliefs
is entirely understandable. Another satirist you've missed is Henry
Fielding. It's a while since I've looked at _Joseph Andrewes_, but as
I remember, it has a delightful little essay at the beginning about
this subject.
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>: Too bad the trains are in CT and you're out in the land of Wind
>: and Windy Cities....
>
>Where I have my own trains, thank you, and where the full-sized ones
>are very interesting too.
>
Ahh, but the set from 1912 is sitting here, not out there, and so are the
older ones.:-)  It's just too darned bad we can't go over each others' houses
to play.....  

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> A friend of mine saw _Robin Hood_ (the movie with Kevin Costner) and said
> that the Sheriff was the best character in the movie.

Betcha.  Kevin Costner had about as much business playing Robin Hood
as I have singing anyplace other than in my shower.  Alan Rickman's
performance as the Sheriff, however, should be shown in acting classes
as an example of how to get away with being totally outrageous and
"high key," provided you have enough TALENT.  My kids were
disappointed Robin Hood won the fight at the end, and so was I, even
though we knew what the outcome had to be: Rickman's Sheriff was, of
course, the ultimate in Political Incorrectness.  Maybe the Sheriff
also has the better role to start with: this, then, can reopen a
discussion of the concept that Evil is more attractive than Good, that
Satan is really the hero of Paradise Lost, and
that...yawwwwwwn...<ZZZZZZ>.

Ken <oh! it's morning!>
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:07:59 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Merry Christmas!
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On Fri, 25 Dec 1992, Karen Kay wrote:

> *growled* at me.  It was surprisingly frightening.  Anyway....I'm glad

It was GT, right?

Merry Christmas!

-abh
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1992, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I tend to see phallic cars as suggestive of the need for a phallus substitute,
> though.  When I see a man driving a Corvette, for example, I think "How sad.
> He has to use a fake one.  He must not have a real one."

That's funny. I think, "I wonder if he still has any <soap> left on the
shower floor."

-abh
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What A Quiet Bunch
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> The list seems strangely quiet this morning.  Is everybody hungover, or
> what?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Not hungover, just moving very slowly.  One cup of eggnog with the
daughter who likes to celebrate does not a hangover make. :-)

Just finished watching a really cheesy TV movie about a child abducted by
a murderess...one of those terrible things that you just have to stay and
see the end of to be sure it comes out all right.
ndh (who is now watching baby granddaughter ignore the parades and play
with pots and pans instead)
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> But you know, when you've been wearing glasses since you were three, it
> ceases to be a big deal by this point.

The only time I miss wearing contacts is in the rain.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who gave up contacts when she could no longer read her watch with them...
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Subject:      Re: Song (for Natalie)
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              1 Jan 1993 19:57:06 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:57:06 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>> and i hope natalies reply is also out there in ftp space by now....
>
>not donne.


just your reply.....not john....
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Ruth, no real need to pay attention to this - serious stuff.

Now, Natalie. A question can have several answers, including
"buzz off". But when people ask a question like "what is it
that makes people form emergency listservs" they CAN (on rare
occasions) mean something different from "what is a good name
for whatever it is that makes people form emergency listservs".

You might recall that you did this same trick when we were
talking about "native language". I tried my best to find out
some FACTS about language acquisition while you, after a lot
Of pretty frustrating correspondence, revealed that you were
only talking about what some people use the label "native
language" for. Later, the thread degenerated into making fun
of the phrase "theoretically significant".

This is the reason why I don't much pursue such threads nowadays.
I fully agree that "It's an answer" is not a false statement. But
if you stop assuming that the world is full of freshmen then a lot
of flip answers will stop too.

tushar
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From:         Lee Bradley <lbradley@GRITS.VALDOSTA.PEACHNET.EDU>
Subject:      The Whole Nine Yards
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I learned of the existence of WORDS-L in the listing that Jerry Ervin
(Ohio State) published in the Winter, 1992, issue of _MLJ_, and I am
grateful to Natalie for putting me on the right track for a subscription.
Thanks.

I hope that I have found the appropriate forum for one of the great
questions I have as I explore the mysteries of linguistic life:

What is the origin of the expression, "the whole nine yards?"

I've been pursuing this item for several years and finally, several years
ago, had to be satisfied with a conclusion that Frederick Cassidy of DARE
and I reached.  We decided that the term most likely orginated during WW2
with the Seabees, who had concrete mixer trucks, the most common of which
contained nine cubic yards of concrete.  "How much concrete you want in
this hole, boss?"  --"The whole nine yards."

Does anyone have a more logical (or documentable) explanation?

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Subject: Re: News from a newly non-computer-illiterate
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> and found that bernard looked good in wordperfect, much better

Hmmm.  I think I need that gif-transformer.  I foresee some interesting
stationery in the making...  And just wait till I get a scanner!  I've
got lots and lots and lots of good Bernard pictures.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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