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From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (The Human Torch)
Subject: Re: The Griffin - to be continued?
Organization: Grucci Fireworks Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:54:12 GMT

rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
: In <ins434u.703126223@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au> ins434u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.C. May) writes:
: >  I was just wondering if there is any news to continue the story left off
: >at the conclusion of the Griffin mini-series.  It seemed fairly open-ended;
: >anyone know any of any possible developments?
: 
: Sadly, the Griffin newsletter said that low sales made it almost impossible
: for there to be a sequel from DC, which I think is really too bad as The
: Griffin is the best series I've read in the last year or so.

I'm kinda surprised the sales were so low... At my comic shop I almost
missed a couple of issues because they sold out on friday or saturday.
I would get one of the last issues on the shelves and while they didn't
have a huge shipment of the things, they got a reasonable number of them
(15-25).

Does anyone have any idea why DC decided to go with such an expensive
format?
 
: However, the character is creator-owned, and apparently after 3 years (I
: think that was the number) the rights to publish will revert to said
: creators, so maybe around then they'll do another series, at an indy publisher

I wonder why they agreed to such a long wait... Anyway, I'll be waiting!
The Griffin is one of the best series I have seen in a real long time!

later days!
--dt

					The world doesn't revolve around
					you.

					It would If I wanted it to!

I love this stuff!

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From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Date: 17 Apr 1992 06:48:14 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1444@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> dream@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Morpheus) writes:
>
>What you said WOULD be true IF it had been Jean Grey.  It was just the 
>Phoenix Force EMULATING Jean.  I think that if it had been the true Jean, 
>she could have controlled all of the PF and there would not have been 
>a Dark Phoenix.

1) I very much doubt that anyone at Marvel had even considered that Phoenix
   wasn't in fact Jean at the time the Dark Phoenix story was written.
2) You're claiming that Jean could have controlled the Phoenix force, while
   the Phoenix force itself, in the form of Jean Grey, couldn't?

No.  When the story was written, the creative team clearly believed that
Jean could not remain Phoenix and maintain her essential humanity.
-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO 100
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:23:22 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>Greetings Groo-heads!
>I've only been collecting Groo for about 20 issues ago, and #100 is soon to
>arrive.

"soon"?  as in "one year from now"?

>Apparently, something BIG is planned for issue 100... if there are any veteran
>Groo-heads out there who witnessed a special event from a previous series or
>something, what are we in for ?!
>
>s913391@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Antony Ross Lazarus)

no idea.  chakaal already came back (her return was the Big Event for #50)
and i can't think of anyone else that we haven't seen lately.  knowing
mark & sergio, the Big Event for #100 is that they'll finally get that
damn graphic novel "Life of Groo" out the friggin' door --- two years late!

>And damn, well what can I say about the price-increase? It's obvious we're
>all pissed off about it, but it is Groo for gods sake!

%LIFE-E-DANGERWILLROBINSON, you are becoming a Marvel Zombie
-LIFE-I-GOODADVICE, get a life

ah, a quick lesson in supply vs. demand seems to be in order here, antony.
your attitude will do nothing but keep the price sky-high.

i have been buying groo ever since it was first available,
but even *i* have to draw the line somewhere.  let's face it:
it's not worth the current price since the quality seems to 
have fallen as well.  i will continue to buy until #100
but then i'm finished.

>Originally, it was $1.80 down here (and when I first started collecting
>I thought 'Gee, what a cheap comic!') but now its upto (nearly) $4!!! Almost
>2 lunches worth of cheese-dips!
>The only consolation is no ads and more Groo!

"more groo" is no consolation since this groo is not the same.

ok
dpm
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                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 08:26:28 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: LSH: Return of Mon-El???
 <9204161338.AA08228@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu>

In article <9204161338.AA08228@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
francis@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) says:
>
>I understand that DC is finally going to make everyone who misses Lar
>Gand's old name happy.  In a future issue of WORLDS OF VALOR, Lar will
>visit the Caribbean.  He'll meet up with a rastafarian band.  The
>leader of the band, instead of calling him "Lar", insists on calling
>him "my mon L"

My only response to this one....  Begin wit' de music man...

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Guess who's comin' to dinnah,
Not de daxamites
Guess who's comin' to dinnah,
Not de daxamite,
(OH NO, OH NO!)

And much rastafarian sounds wherein thereof in the affirmament thenof.

Doug.

Boom Boom, where're you going?
Sorry Cable, but I've got this marbles match set up in the danger room with
one of my oldest friends, Ace.
Marbles... Ace...?  Boom Boom!  Noooo >BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM<
-Cable foolishly forgets that Doctor Who is also part of the Marvel Universe
(UK).
From: kinsman@ws-43.cae.wisc.EDU (Mark Kinsman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Men Cards Update
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:39:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.113936.10783
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: kinsman@ws-43.cae.wisc.edu


Hello All,

Some people have taken me up on my offers for cards, and my list
is considerably shorter (and changed, since I made an error in what
cards I had to sell).

Cards I need to get:
	XH-1 Wolvie
	XH-2 Cable
	XH-5 X-Men

Cards I have to sell:
	 6. Nightcrawler
	 7. Cannonball
	10. Lockheed
	13. Domino
	23. Kylun
	34. Multiple Man
	55. Gatecrasher
	65. Toad
	79. Upstarts
	89. W.H.O.
	93. Danger Room #3 (Storm)

Again, e-mail if interested.


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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: META: How to split?
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:01:31 GMT

In article <an12370.703360809@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu> an12370@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle) writes:
>Just to float another idea out here...
>If there is to be a vote for splitting into more than two newsgroups,
>I, for one, would like to see a rec.arts.comics.reviews included.
>
>It could be moderated, but I think it need not be -- a high
>signal/noise ratio would probably occur naturally (especially if
>follow-ups are properly directed by the reviewer :-).  A lot of folks
>(myself included) read this group to find out what other folks like,
>to make better buying decisions when it comes time to hit the comic
>store.
>
>R.a.c. has had good review series such as Moriarty Reviews, Mutant For
>Hire Reviews, and several others (even Omega Reviews :-).  I'm
>disappointed that reviews aren't as prevalent as they once were -- and
>r.a.c.reviews might reverse that trend.  I think r.a.movies.reviews
>stands as a good example to follow (with moderation optional).


Actually, this has been the first good idea I've seen so far for the split.
A lot of people don't like to read reviews because they contain spoilers by
definition, and a lot of other people read RAC just to find out what's been
happening in the last couple of months of various titles, and don't want to
sift through who-would-win arguements, flames, etc.  Are there any reasons
not to make a rec.arts.comics.reviews?  Of course, in a couple years we'll
have a flame war on whether RAC.reviews should be split along the "big two",
genre, etc. :-)
(In case you haven't figured it out, I vote YES for this split :-)


Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:21:25 GMT

cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau) writes:
>>I agree totally!!!!! Marvel, if you're listening, this is a 
>>STUPID idea!!!!!!  A love triangle with Scott and Jean
>>right now is totally bogus!!!!!!  

>Ahhhhhh! my friends but who has Scott dated besides Jean Grey and her clone.

Colleen Wing and Aleytis Forrester (who came in between Jean and Madelyne
Pryor, in that order).

>I myself think I have found the woman I will marry but I have dated a few
>people before her.  Do you really think Cyclops could get by on masturbation 
>and fantasies alone.

What I "really think" is that your current relationship status is as 
irrelevant to the issue as your question about autoeroticism.

>I agree that Cyclops should marry Jean Grey but I think 
>it would be excellent if they both saw the world a little and came back to each
>other.   Just my opinion.

I agree, but Psylocke is a dumb idea.  All the man needs is *another*
telepath... =)
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From: ipkh@cs.mcgill.ca ()
Subject: Youngblood out, let's get busy(tm)
Originator: ipkh@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:20:33 GMT

   At your mark, get set, GO!  All right, Youngblood is out, so let
   start the bashing.  :)

   Just for the fun of it, I bought Youngblood today.  Not impressed at
   all. Some of these guys are the exact replica of X-Force.

   Vogue-->Domino
   Diehard-->Deadpool
   Shaft-->Cannonball
   Cougar-->Feral
   Sentinel-->Brigade (??) What's his face, the guy who wanted Cable.

   Anyway, I could tolerate the art, (if you like drawings of guys with
   the body of Arnold with heads the size of peas) if it was not for the
   consistency of the drawings.  On one of the pages,( darn book doesn't
   even have page numbers and half the book was upside down.  I suppose
   they thought it was original...NOT), Combat (who looks awfully like 
   Therax (??) (The guy who used to be Galactus' goffer)) has normal
   little ears with both arms a la Colossus and you flip to the next
   page, what dayya see?  The same guy with ears that would make any
   vulcan daddy proud and one metallic arm.

   Another thing, Bedrock's (who looks somewhat like Concrete) mom
   looks around her 20ish.  Unless I'm mistaken and Bedrock is suppose
   to be a kid.

   Man that was fun.  Anybody care to join in :).
=============================================================================
Jack Kwok Hung Ip         | McGill University 
ipkh@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | Montreal, Quebec, Canada 
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From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: GENERAL: use of headers
Summary: Marvel readers please read! (hell, everybody please read)
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:34:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

Folks, I must say I've been overwhelmed with the bandwidth on r.a.c.
lately.  

After looking at posts for the last week, it is painfully obvious that
quite a few people are not making good use of the headers.  Many are,
and I applaud you for that, but there is still a huge volume of messages
and replies getting through without them.  To wit, I have no interest in
Marvel, which in the past week has seen the following subject lines
without MARVEL headers (followups may have been corrected; these are the 
subject lines my killfile didn't catch:

(in temporal order)
X-Force
Sabretooth Dead?
Mr. Sinister, 12, etc.
Cyclops-residue?
Tomb of Dracula
Silver Surfer
powerful beings
What is Sauron's history?
Anyway, back to Sabretooth and Caliber
x-factor
Death of the Kree Empire
Nomad #1
Rise of the Midnight Sons
High Evolutionary
New Universe, bring it back
Stop blaming Marvel
New Universe Opinions
X Questions and Answers
The Ultimate Kick-Ass Male Power Fantasy
Most powerful beings in Marvel
Rahne's religion
Operation Galactic Storm
Cable, X-Force, and others
Meaningless Idioms
Hulk #1
casting coup
Shatterstar #1
xfactor vs. xforce
Hulk #393
X-odus replacements part II
future of xmen
Hulk Annual: A question for Peter
Shatterstar pt.4/X-Force Annual #1
GAMBIT IS COOL
What the hey?!?
dr.doom

Likewise, there are many DC, CEREBUS, and MANGA (Mangazine, Akira, Akira's
ending, Akira #33) that could be headered.  To stave off another 
inevitable split discussion, if everyone would just utilize the headers,
a lot of volume problems would be solved.  (And momentum will gather, etc.).

d-
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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid #4: Submerged in Horror
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:15:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.050146.11896@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.a
t.com (Conty) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.225739.1@fnalb.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalb.fnal.gov (I
Elmo) writes:
>> 
>> 	The disturbing subtext I get from _Mermaid_ and pretty much every oth
r
>> Disney film is this:
>> 	Everyone falls in love forever at sixteen.  Love lasts forever.  Once
>> you're in love, your life will be perfect.
>
>Not quite.  Usually there's some great evil afoot.  Our heroes must then
>confront him/her/it, and nuke it out of existence (falling from cliffs i

>a favorite way of disposing of Disney villains).
>
>What a positive view oh life, eh kids?
>-- 
>			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
>			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
>		   Disclaimer:  You're not dealing with AT&T.


Not quite - the villain(ess) is usually killed by some act of his/her own
doing, thus showing children that evil (ie anything not approved of by
conservative-1950's moral values) always causes it's own downfall, while
the heroes are essentially blameless, after all, *they* didn't hurt the
baddie. Thus they can get married (at 16) and live guiltlessly ever after
knowing they have preserved the American Dream (which isn't an awful lot
different from most other free countries' conservative dreams, I suppose
:-) ). As you said, the downfall usually involves the most heinous and
evil personality defect of slipping over at the top of a cliff - what a
moral, eh, kids? I suppose it's a quick, relatively painless death that is
both symbolic and accidental (so no blame can be placed on the heroes).

Mike
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: SPLIT:split discussion
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:23:05 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Recently, Francis Uy made suggestion in jest that might deserve some
real consideration.  A split needs to be made; rec.arts.comics.split-d.
The time has come.

And I really wish I could put a smiley in here but...
From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: From Doug Atkinson: The New Mutants
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:44:49 GMT
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <1992Apr7.020623.24659@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@butterfly.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> In article <dbpjgmd.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>douga@yang.earlham.edu:
>>>
>>>PREMISE: The New Mutants as once they were...
>>
>>>Magma
>>>Changeling
>>>Kevin
>>>Sensor
>>>Vector
>>>Ultimate
>>>Dusk
>>>Force
>>
>>Is there any reason to call this group "New Mutants"?
> 
> I couldn't see any, either.  Other than Magma, there aren't any NMs in the 
> group...and although I thought the Derleth reference was cute, I didn't see
> the point.  All I got out of it was a bunch of costumed role-playing
> characters, but no real "characters" in and of themselves.
> 
> ------
> Jim Cowling			|  "Ha!  Pronoun trouble.  It's not 'he doesn't
> Creative Writing Department     |   have to shoot _you_ now', it's 'he doesn't
> University of Victoria          |   have to shoot _me_ now'.  Well, I say he
> Opinions Disassociated          |   _does_ have to shoot me now.  So shoot me
> Fnord                           |   now!!"   -the immortal D. Duck
> ------

Sigh...the person I gave the disk with the files to seems to have posted 
something I didn't intend to send out.  The character list is notes to me 
and my collaborator about ideas.  It's NOT intended as a finished product. 
All I intended to send out were the scripts, which actually develop the 
characters... (And I seemed to have missed the post, was it just the 
character stuff that got out there?)
			--Doug
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:38:54 GMT

>
>   You wouldn't happen to be THE Art Adams that illustrates for Marvel and DC
>occasionally?
>
If he were THE Art Adams he'd only post articles at a rate of 1 or 2 a year!

:)

-------SCAVENGER

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 09:25:56 CDT
From: <U52025@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MUTANTS AND HUMAN WAR issues needed


I stop buy comic books for a year or two and I miss the war between the
 humans and mutants in Marvel comics. So rather than have someone post what has
 happen since then, I would like some one to give me the numbers of the issues
in which the war began to the time that it ended so that I can just by the
issues myself. What I'm looking for is the X-men and New Mutants comic books.
I stop reading X-men around issue #210, or around that time, when it was only
Pre-war time, and mutants were getting ready to fight back. So if anyone
remembers the issues in which the war started and ended please post.
,Thanks!!!!!
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:25:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) writes:

>dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>>>    bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>>>> I guess my major complaint with this idea is that it shows a great deal
>>>> of intolerance.  "I don't like this publisher, so I want a group without
>>>> them in it."  Yes, I know people who want to read all the posts can read
>>>> all the groups.  That's not the point.  The point is that I find it sad
>>>> that some want to divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
>>>> world for the sake of convenience.

>That is what really bugs me about this split.  I'd have to read all the groups
>and I'd miss out on the cross-discussion that goes on.  A split would reduce
>the amount of fun I have reading this group, so I'll vote against it now.
>The 'k' key just isn't that hard to use for this group.

    Well, I certainly never said that I though a company based split was
the way to go. Personally I think that if you are talking about a
literary art form then the most logical way to split discussion would be
along genre lines.

>>All right, I will put all snobbery aside.  The situation is, the traffic
>>in r.a.c has reached a fairly high level.

>This is not (IMHO) fairly high.  Princeton gets about 110 messages a day
>in rac, while getting 200+ in sf-lovers (and we still haven't seen a
>split there): one is eminently readable, the other is barely readable
>(for me).

    Excuse me? Exactly what planet are you on? Rec.arts.sf-lovers was
the subject of the largest split to come to the net in over 3 years.
Easily the largest split that rec.arts.* will ever see. And the split
was probably the best thing to ever happen to sf-lovers.

>Solution: Use *mark* files!  Instead of killing everything you don't
>like, mark what you *do* like, catchup on the rest, then read your
>selected articles!  I can tell you exactly how to do this for rn, and
>similar approaches will work with xrn/trn.  I personally mark
>Cerebus/Suicide Squid, and read the rest at my whim.

    You make the assumtion that everyon has access to one of the rn
style newsreaders, when in fact this is not the case. I'm actually
inclined to believe that there are more people without kill/mark file
capabilites than with, and they should be considered in this as well.

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's OK By Me
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:08:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.plsjbnh
Organization: Living in a satellite fantasy, waiting for the night to end.

dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (The Human Torch) writes:

>>> So those are the two main reasons I don't like Marvel, and would rather
>>> read selected independents and selected mature titles from DC.
>>                                          ^^^^^^
>> You really believe that, huh?
>
>Really believe what? That DC can (and does in my opinion) produce a
>couple or three good mature titles?

No that DC's "mature" titles actually contain some sort of genuinely
mature artistic content.

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