From: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: kahane's judaism
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:04:20 EST
Reply-To: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

To: David Makowsky

Let's see if we can summarize where we stand.

To my request that you provide the name of one reputable
international lawyer who is not an emotional Zionist and who has
defended Israel's recent mass deportations you produced zip.

To my request that you back up the charge that Bush and Baker
relied on legal hacks to implement some of their policies you
produced zip.

I still don't have a single checkable source from you regarding
either issue.

To my post from Ha'aretz which quotes Kahane calling for the mass
deportation or murder of Arab "dogs," you reply that you don't
believe he said such evil things.

Three points in response:

1) Ha'aretz is one of Israel's most respected newspapers. If
Ha'aretz reported that Kahane said these things, it is highly
likely that he did indeed say them. The ball is in your court:
prove that Ha'aretz is lying.

2) If Ha'aretz is lying, it could be sued for libel by Kahane's
family. I notice that Kahane and his followers and family never
sued any newspaper, magazine, or book which reported that he said
these awful things.

3) I've seen and heard Kahane say these things with my own eyes
and ears. He was recorded on film making remarks precisely like
these in a documentary about Israel which appeared a few years
ago.

In sum, your response to the Ha'aretz article is weak indeed.

I trust you would not like any major Christian leader to remark
that Jews are dogs who should be deported or murdered in the name
of Christianity. Your failure to show any moral outrage over
Kahane's harangues that Arabs are dogs or insects who should be
deported or murdered in the name of Judaism speaks poorly for
your values and judgement.

Perhaps you can explain away this passage from Robert Friedman's
False Prophet (pages 214-215):

     Kahane prepared several bills for the Knesset that were
     shockingly reminiscent of the Nuremberg Laws, which the
     Nazis had enacted against German Jews nearly five decades
     earlier. One called for the expulsion of Israel's Arabs.
     Another would have made it a crime punishable by two years
     in jail for a Jewish woman to have sex with an Arab. A third
     would have made it illegal to insult Judaism and the Jewish
     people. "We state that anyone who declares that any verse or
     saying in the Bible, the Talmud, or the Commentary isn't
     true is racist and should be subject to three years in
     prison," Kahane told me. He also called for confining
     Israel's non-Jews to ghettos lest they pollute the
     "authentic Jewish" spirit. As he put it in a speech he
     delivered in New York in 1984: "The foreigners vomit their
     sickness onto us, and we swallow it eagerly.... Let us vomit
     them out and purge the Holy Land of all vestige of
     impurity."

Or this passage (page 217):

     .... In a speech in Haifa on June 28, 1985, Kahane attacked
     Jews and Arabs equally. "No one can understand the soul of
     those (Arab) beasts, those roaches," glowered Kahane. "We
     shall either cut their throats or throw them out. I only
     say what you think." According to a report in Kolbo Haifa,
     a Hebrew-language weekly newspaper in Haifa, Kahane then
     directed a stream of obscenities against the mayor of Haifa,
     Arieh Goral, and left-wing politicians Shulamit Aloni and
     Yossi Sarid, whom he called "scoundrel," "dog,"
     "disgusting," and "Jewish prostitutes who employ Arab
     pimps."

     Kahane concluded his harangue, which was megalomaniacal even
     by his standards, by promising his audience: "In two years
     time, they [the Arabs] will turn on the radio and hear that
     Kahane has been named minister of defense. Then they will
     come to me, bow to me, lick my feet, and I will be merciful
     and will allow them to leave. Whoever does not leave will
     be slaughtered."

Do you feel no sense of shame, sir, in supporting a demagogue who
would made such hateful remarks? Would you like to be the target
of such remarks yourself? Is there no place in your form of
Judaism for the ethics of the golden rule: treat others as you
wish to be treated?
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