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From: e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Keywords: give money now!
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:01:06 GMT

In article <1aauckINNm2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
>In article <9712@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>Well whiners, I can easily top that: I'M A POOR COMMODORE EMPLOYEE!  NOW!
>>(Do I have to sign such a post with Retep Lettik these days?)
>
>How about this - I'm a poor grad student trying to pay off auto insurance
>and make payents on a Celica GTS and ~$30K in loans, while paying rent,
>assorted expenses, and rather large tuition bills.  Better? :)

Psssssssssssst, wanna' trade your car ??????? I'll give you an A4000.....

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 vs. "next generation" Amiga
Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:56:16 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
: Nope, not me anyway.  It sounds like you should stick with Atari as
: long as you can, considering your current investment.

I hate to say it, but I agree.  He's got a rather large investment in
the Atari.  If he sticks with the Falcon, he doesn't have to buy
anything new.

But let's say he DID want to switch to the Amiga.  Some of the great
stuff by Blue Ribbon SoftWorks (did they change their name to or from
that?) like Bars & Pipes Pro, well known stuff like Dr. T's stuff,
available editors, and some of the advanced SunRize boards are some of
the most powerful things available for ANY computer system.

Greg

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Black Belt vs the FCC
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:34:31 GMT

In article <92270.205026DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0lja@telepro.UUCP>,
|> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) says:
|> 
|> >In a message dated Sat 26 Sep 92  6:10, Pk-Asdg@cup.portal.com (perry S Kiv
|> >wrote:
|> 
|> >own both programs, and I never use ADPro. This is not based on some silly
|> >notion that I dislike you or your company, or that my mind is closed. It is
|> >based on the fact that your product does not perform to my specifications,
|> >and theirs does. Simple.
|> 
|> Hmm, I don't know you but it sounds like you have a personal relationship
|> with the guys at Black Belt. If that's the case it's no wonder that
|> Imagemaster performs to _your_ specifications, since you are helping to
|> spec it.

I've always agreed with the assesment of the Amiga World reviewer who compared
the two programs. To paraphrase, he said, "It is not a question of which tool
is better - they both have their strengths and weaknesses. If you're serious
about image manipulation on your Amiga, you need BOTH."

ADPro is a wonderful image-tweaking and creation tool, and has been responsible
for most of the color effects and background images I've made. Imagemaster is
more capable than ADPro in the area of SECTIONAL manipulation, performing an
operation on a small section of the entire image. For full-image manipulation,
I use ADPro (which is, IMHO, more powerful and yet somehow 10000x easier to use
than Imagemaster...), and only go into Imagemaster when I need to do touch-up
work on some small section of a file, either one that I've scanned, drawn, or
created with ADPro.

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From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:01:56 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>>According to a german friend of mine and some german Amiga-magazine
>>there will be an A1200 with -020, AGA, and a harddrive before 
>>christmas (that's christmas 1992 for all you pessimists out there...)
>>for about half the price of an A4000.

>	Is this Commodores idea of a joke.  An 020 system selling for $1850
>   with no monitor.  I thought this was supposed to be Commodores low end,
>   low priced AGA system.

Heh..stop that. Nobody has announced a price yet and so every
price somebody tells you is just a rumour.
So just ignore such things until Commo tells your the specs
and the price...


Regards...
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University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: terje@light.fipnet.fi (Terje Bergstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:13:25 GMT
Organization: Fipnet - Espoo, SF
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Thorne Kontos (kontos@clipper.ingr.com) wrote:
:>I am so sick of this B.S. Some hacker out there will crack the AGA
:>chipset.

  I sincerly hope this won't happen, because I want that the new versions of
AmigaOS come fast. If many programmers decide to hit the hardware directly,
Commodore probably has to make the future chipsets AGA-compatible, which
slows the development down. Do you really want this?

:>If they publish the ECS chipset specs, why the sudden turnaround?

  Perhaps Commodore learnt from their mistake(s)?

:>Someone will write a better graphics library than the one that
:>will come with WB3.0.

  This new graphics.library you are dreaming about would become obsolete
when Commodore announces RTG. Besides, I don't think anyone wants to write a
new graphics.library for OS3.0. Nobody did for previous os-releases.
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000 in stores by October 7
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:50:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: dime.54106
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


	My dealer (The Memory Location, Wellesley, MA) told me yesterday
that he just talked to Commodore, and his store will be receiving A4000's
by Wednesday, October 7.  Wheeeee...!

                                                        Dan

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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: TO TONY POOLE (Should Atari Discussions Be Held Here?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:33:56 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
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In article <1acdjiINNnld@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
[slam, whack, thwump]

Please take this flaming to e-mail.  It is not of general interest.

Glenn Doiron
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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: a4000
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:16:36 EST

-> Well, actually, I don't care what they do.  As long as Amiga owners
-> can still power up.  I guess most IBM/clone people don't care about
-> Amiga.  They don't really demand all that much.  There's still alot
-> of happy Apple II owners out there.

 So true, Too bad Commodore never went after these users with Hardware
emulators. To think, we can emulate an IBM 286/386 and a Mac but we
can't emulate an Apple II or Comomdore 64. I have a lot of friends who
happily chug along with their Commi 64s and their Apple II computers.
The only reason they don't upgrade is because of all the software they
have. They would do it in an instant if they could run their old
programs on a new computer. I'm suprised Apple didn't go after this
market as well.
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From: runehy@dhhalden.no (RUNE HYLDMO)
Subject: To all Amigans!!!
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:23:24 GMT

To all Amigans!!!

That was fun....

I mean the replies I got by writing the article "to all amigans, real 
Falcon specs."

Some of you got the point and that was that I was fooling around with your 
emotions. I guess I was pretty successful in making you angry. Great!

I must admit some of you have actually got a great sence of humor and take 
the my articles for what they are... provokative (is that word right?). 

As for you who did not understand that I was kidding... Try to read the 
text more carefully before you get angry. Then you will understand that 
some of the arguments are written for fun.

Another thing....

A guy from Finland wrote that they had Santa Claus there...

Then he must have been kidnapped... He is originally from NORWAY you see.

Therefore I have called in Interpool and the Norwegian secret service on 
the matter!!!

To all the people of Finland. We want SANTA CLAUS back before dawn or else 
we will get NATO to nuke you off the map.

Greetings from 

Rune Hyldmo

O.k so ATARI do not rule then... but hopefully they will soon.....

Have fun using your computer and do not start bashing it because a guy 
writes a provokative article (god I just hope I am writing that word right.
Even though the Amiga is not good for much else....

See ya....
From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:28:22 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>[...]
>>PUBLISH THE SPECS/REGISTERS OF THE AGA CHIPSET
> 
> Yep, not publishing the specs simply delays the inevitable... it
> only means that someone (other than Commodore) will make big bucks
> selling "inside the Amiga AGA chipset" manuals.

  Yes, but there would be a lot of manuals.  There are rummors about
  that the higher end and lower and of the AGA machines will have
  the AGA in different locations than the A4000.  These are pure
  rumors, though so no flames!

> It might also mean that some companies will pass over the Amiga in
> their projects (eg: stuff like PreVue Guide, big VR games, etc)
> simply because of the possible hassle of convincing Commodore that
> they need the specs.

  And it will also push us as far away as DIG as we are right now.
  This is a splendid move by C=.  If people are forced to not hit
  the hardware, then DIG will come twice as fast and twice as easy.

  All you people moaning about "I can't use the AGA" should wake up
  and see that as soon as DIG is implemented, it doesn't matter.  Just
  get yourself any graphics board.

  Kudos to C= for NOT publishing the specs.  Maybe we can get some DIG
  around here, and fast.

  (Just an A3000 owner who wants better and compatable graphics...)
  
Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu
 
> kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000... when
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:00:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>We've talked about Commodore's lousy marketing in the past.  What would be
>the point of advertising.  The hardware is too difficult to acquire even for
>those who are in the know.

Criticize when Commodore does something wrong, but, please!. They were
only announced 2 weeks ago. Give them 30 days at least.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Emplant? Denise? Agnus? Lisa? Who ARE all these people? : -)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:54:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.010723.18956@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Hi there.
>
>What is thios 'Emplant' thing?

   Emplant is an as-yet vaporware hardware & software product for the Amiga
that is supposed to give the Amiga a Mac IIx emulation in color that fully
mulittasks with Amiga software.

>Also, I realize that 'Agnus' 'Denise' and 'Lisa' are coprocessors for the
>Amiga, RIGHT?  could someome please explain further?  Also, how do they
>fit in with the 'AGA' chips?

   They are not coprocessors in the real sense, but custom chips.  One of them,
the Agnus chip, has a mini graphics coprocessor in it that can be used for
various types of video effects.  It is this graphics coprocessor (or 'copper'
for short) that allows the Amiga to have pull-down screens.  The three custom
chips are Denise (video), Paula (provides sound, disk I/O, and serial I/O),
and Agnus (sort of a glue chip; proves chip RAM addressing and the blitter).

   The AGA chipset improves the Agnus and Denise chips.  Denise has been
improved most of all, and has been renamed to 'Lisa'.  The Lisa video chip
contains improvements in color capabilities, graphics performance, and
sprites.  The Agnus chip has been improved a little (very little), and has
been renamed to 'Alice'.  The Paula chip has not been improved at all, so
it has not been renamed.

>
>Thanks - posts only please - I STILL get trailer emailings from my 'What in
>the HELL is an Archimedes' post. :-)
>
>Re-Thanks-
>
>--
>*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu  
>*
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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:09:38 GMT

<DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Hmm, let's see. From what was posted earlier the Falcon's DSP has
>96K of memory to play with. I wonder if it has DMA access to main
>memory? Nah, too complicated. So what if you want to play a large
>mod? Guess the CPU has to continually copy sample data to the tiny
>DSP buffer. That's hardly better than the CPU doing all the work
>itself! Am I missing something?

Yep you sure are.  The atari has multiple sources of data for generating sound.
Check out the diagram below:

Quote of some docs [don't know if i should be giving these out :)]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Matrix coupling

To make the system performance in the audio part as good as possible Atari
designed a miniature 'telephone exchange' that can easily connect the
source devices to the receiving devices. Also it is possible to make more
than one connection at a time.


    Source devices

        EXT INPUT ---*-------*------*------*
         CHANNEL     |       |      |      |
                     |       |      |      |
           DSP    ---*-------*------*------*
        TRANSMIT     |       |      |      |
                     |       |      |      |
           ADC    ---*-------*------*------*
                     |       |      |      |
                     |       |      |      |
           DMA    ---*-------*------*------*
        PLAYBACK     |       |      |      |
                    DMA     DAC    DSP     EXT OUTPUT
                   RECORD        RECEIVE     CHANNEL

                        Receiving Devices

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully this diagram should give you some idea of how the whole audio
system on the Falcon works.  To give you an idea you can do stuff like take
data from ADC feed into DSP RECEIVE, calculate, feed OUT thru DSP Transmit
and then into DAC [real time audio distortion :)] - without the 030 even
knowing its going on.

Sure the falcon is not an fully awesome machine - but its audio is one thing
that is impressive - IMHO the audio on the Falcon is as impressive as the
graphics were on the amiga back in 84/85.



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From: d89-sla@hemul.nada.kth.se (Stefan E Larsson)
Subject: Re: To all Amigans!!! And NATO !!!
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:12:37 GMT

In article <jorngh.25.717813656@dhhalden.no> jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:

>Denmark was overtaken in a matter of hours !!! That _must_ be some
>kind of record ...
>
>But the Swedes was the worst, a bunch of neutral f*cking cowards !!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>	- Janne (served in Finnish field artillery in 1990 - 1991)
>
>-Jorn (served in Norwegian Infantry in 1991 - 1992 ;)
>

Well, at least we have never let anyone occupy our country. 
You Norwegians have been overrun by the Danes, the Swedes and then
the Germans! 

Pathetic.   

-Stefan (served in the Swedish Air Force 1991 - 1992)

:)
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From: s64453@rmece49.upr.clu.edu (hernandez machado ricardo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WOC Videotapes at FAUG
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:07:39 GMT
Organization: RUM-Mayaguez, Puerto Rico--UNIX Lab

In article <1992Oct05.064226.10846@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.011545.17279@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
|> >In article <BvK7s8.Ey3@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
|> >>I'll be showing my videotapes of the Pasadena WOC at the next meeting of
|> >>the First Amiga Users Group next Tuesday, October 5, at 7:30. It is held
|> >>at HT Electronics, 275 N. Mathilda Ave, Sunnyvale.
|> >
|> >   Great.  That would be like watching old films of the Nazi Holocaust.
|> 
|> Sheesh Marc, what crawled up your butt and died? Not everyone can be the
|> ultra informed super genius you are. Perhaps you should concentrate more
|> on graduating and less on flaming Commodore, the Amiga, and its users
|> in general.
|> 
|> Like many have said before, go buy a goddamn INTEL Box (I suggest the
|> Gateway 66Mhz 486DX/2) and go torment the OS/2 and Windows users.
|> 

   I'll add: Or a Mac new Performa machine, since Apple does everything so cool
and the OS is so superior, and it has hypercard and all that.... Right Barret?

   What a jerk!

|> Ian.
|> -- 
|> /* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
|> /* Waiting for what comes after the A4000! 	*/
|> /* In the meantime I think I'll pick up a  	*/
|> /* '486 box...					*/

- Raist
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 28 Sep 1992 07:58:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
: How much more expensive **IS** a 68020? I'd bet the chip itself is under $100
: now, and I'd be SHOCKED if it's over $200. So, for the extra $100, we could
: have a 68020-based Amiga. It's worth it, believe me!

If a 68020 is $100 in mass quantity, then it's >20x more expensive
than a 68000.  See the point?

: Oh, come on! Bet you think the breakup of the Soviet Union is just another 
: Commie plot, too. I just lost what little respect I had for you.

You just don't seem to get it, do you?  NewTek went against printed
specifications that existed before the first Zorro II system was even
released.  Now, if you can't understand that, you need to go and buy
the Hardware Reference Manual, a ruler, and a Toaster.  Some of us
already know what you'll find:  You'll find Newtek is wrong.

The responsibility for this falls upon NewTek, who should have, and
probably did know well in advance that they were violating
specifications.  The 2000 gives a fair amount of more room than that
specification:  It's C='s right to give you more room than you need.
It's also their right to take that space away, as long as they leave
room for the specified size to fit, and I assure you, that specified
size fits in all Zorro II compatible machines.

: The implication being that "yesteryear's technology" is inferior to present
: technology, which it is.

AGA isn't yesteryears technology, and it's just about the fastest
graphics system available, in terms of capabilities within the range
of personal computing.

Greg

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Subject: Re: A4000
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:09:29 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1a6d3fINNmnk@uwm.edu>, gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>:    Dynamix is owned by Sierra. As a matter of fact, I'm doing one of their
>:upcoming MS-DOS products right now. <Grin> BTW, Dynamix no longer bothers with
>: EGA - all we support now is straight VGA.           
>
>However, if I remember correctly, Sierra itself is still "bothering"
>with EGA.  ;)
>
>Greg
>

Greg:
  Do you know or can you tell us if future Sierra/Dynamix games will support
the new AGA chip set for porting over those games in VGA coloration as
opposed to the lacking EGA ports of the past?

Jim Martin
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