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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:22:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <JPT.92Dec17182350@telecaster.think.com>, jpt@telecaster.think.com (J
ames P. Taylor) writes:
>In article <18432@borg.cs.unc.edu> ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Krish Ponamgi) writes:
>
>
>   Sampras did **NOT** play college tennis at Stanfurd.  He didn't complete
>   high school last time I heard.  There was an interesting article in the
>   November issue of Tennis that talked about this problem.  They advocate
>   kids completing their high-school before being allowed in the professional
>   tournaments -- a completely sane idea IMHO.
>
>IMHO it is a silly idea.  First, like the NFL [and NBA] not being able to
>enforce their rules re: college graduation, much to the chagrin of the
>money making sports programs in college, I doubt very much if such a rule
>could be enforced.  Second, and much more importantly, who are you
>protecting from what.  Now I am the biggest bleeding heart LIBERAL in the
>world.  [yes I said the L word]  And, I think some people should be
>protected from exploitation.  But, a fourteen year-old good enough to play
>in a professional tournament, who wants to test him/herself should.  If
>(s)he burns out at 18, that's the risks.
>
>I also believe in education. ;-)
>
>
>jim taylor Thinking Machines Corp  Cambridge MA 02139
>
>Asst Tennis and Squash Coach MIT
>
The WTA tried this because of the burnout of Tracy Austin and Andrea Jaeger.
But when Capriati came along, changes were made to the rules to accomodate
Capriati - hence they are known as the Capriati rules.  I think her father
made noise along the lines of depriving her (and the family) of her hard
earned rewards (money).

Your comparison of pro football and basketball is well-taken.  Now high-talent
spend only 1 - 2 years in college and go for the bucks.  I guess if I had a
few million tucked away for the future I wouldn't worry about an education.

I guess the answer is the tennis organizations have to be truthful about the
risks but can't stand in the way of those who want to take the risk.  The
danger is that too many think they are a McEnroe or a Capriati or a Graf and
expect the big bucks to come flying.  Tennis Magazine did an artcile on the
pressure on the young kids when the families give up everything they have and
the young tennsi player has the added pressure of being the family's
breadwinner.  I seem to remember the Pierces' were like this befroe they made
the move to France.  They lived out of their car and the state of their
finances depended on Mary's success.

Maybe the tennis journalists should do some articles on those who tried and
failed and paint a picture of the real world for all the would-be Capriatis,
Grafs, Couriers.

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From: mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:53:15 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Dec16.163210.2714@netcom.com> byron@netapp.com (Byron Rakitzis) writes:
>Of course! But tennis players retire ~30 yrs old. What do you do after
>that?

Nothing prevents these people from going back to school after
retiring, if they are so inclined.

-- Marisa

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From: bose@unity.cs.umn.edu (Ashim Bose)
Subject: Wilson ProStaff Shoes
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:56:41 GMT

Thanks a lot,
Ashim
bose@cs.umn.edu
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Gorman remains as US Davis Cup captain
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:11:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec17.175121.25242@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com
(shun.cheung) writes:
>The USTA announced that Tom Gorman will again be the US Davis Cup
>team captain in 1993. IMO, that is a good decision. Gorman has been
>doing a very good job in the past few years. While he has a lot of
>high-ranked players to choose from, some of those are not exactly
>good Davis Cup players and there are a lot of expectations on him.
>Given his on-court behavior in the past, McEnroe would be a risky
>choice at this point.
>
>The US will begin to defend its title in March, 1993 on the grass
>court at Kooyong in Australia. That is a very tough first round tie
>since the US doesn't have very many good grass court players, despite
>the fact that Agassi won Wimbledon last year. Moreover, it'll be
>hard to convince the top players to travel "down under" to play
>on grass in the middle of the spring hard/clay season.
>--
>-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
>     AT&T, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ,  07748  USA
>
Tough task for Gorman to convince someone to play.  Wouldn't a loss put the US
back into zone competition like what happened when the US lost to Paraguay a
few years back?
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From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: ESPN tennis
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:55:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.222419.22768@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.214720.20477@actrix.gen.nz> Kent.Nelson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>>I've just started watching ESPN, in particular the tennis. Doesn't Mary Carillo
>>murmuring during points bug people? She whispers in this really low voice, and
>>can't understand a word she says. It's really irritating, and its when I go to
>>turn the volume up that the crowd cheers really loudly.
>>-- 
>The whispering is inaudible and has been pointed out by a sportswriter
>in the newspaper U.S.A. Today.  I myself have just written to ESPN
>to thank them for their generous televising of the Grand Slam
>Cup, and then complain about this whispering business.  Perhaps if
>more people write to them, they will get the message.   Once again,
>ESPN's address is 
>    935 Middle St., Bristol, CT 060010, U.S.A.
>
>M. Liu

Is there anything wrong with your TV(or your hearing)? I am not a 
native speaker and I heard every word she said very clear. Maybe you
were chewing popcorns when you were watching?

On the other hand, I also don't understand the necessity of her doing this.

Michael Stich's performance today reminds me of a posting I did a while
ago. I said that I played a lot of drop shots and drop volleys and they
were quite effective and I went on to ask why I did not see many pro players
doing this often. Some people told me that these shots do not work at the
level of those pros. Well wake up boys, if they works on Michael Chang, do
they work on you? 

FY

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From: "john russell" <john.russell@canrem.com>
Subject: grunting rule
Reply-To: "john russell" <john.russell@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:15:36 EST

It's against the rules to do anything that distracts your opponent
_during the point_.  So you can hit a winner and shout "YES!", wave your
arms, etc. afterwards, but not make loud noises or distracting movements
while the ball is in play.  If Monica can grunt, her opponents can try
primal scream therapy during points to help them relax and play better
:-)

Tennis rules generally have the proviso "the player, and anything (s)he
wears or carries...", so it would apply in the case where someone's hat
came off and blew around the court, or someone was carrying a mirror
that reflected light in their opponent's eyes.

On the first "offense", the umpire is supposed to call a let and warn
the player doing the distracting.  After the warning, each incident of
distraction results in loss of the point.  It's up to the judgement of
the umpire what degree of movement or noise would distract the other
player.

John

PS: This is according to the Canadian tennis federation rules, as I
remember them from several years ago.
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From: jason@cs.uq.oz.au (Jin Song Dong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Comming tournaments?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:54:47 GMT
Reply-To: jason@cs.uq.oz.au

Is anyone know when NSW open start or any
other tournaments around the new year?
Thanks. 
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Funny Coincidence
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:01:44 GMT

Both Becker and Stich played well in 1991, reaching the French Open semis and
Wimbledon finals.  Both lost early in 1991 US Open.  Both had a disasterous
1992, with Stich's being more disasterous.  Both lost in the quarters of 1992
Wimbledon, both dropped in rankings.  Finally Becker won in Paris and won the
ATP final in Germany.  Finally, Stich has beaten Edberg, Krajicek and Sampras
in the Grand Slam Cup which is also taking place in Germany. To top it all,
both Becker and Stich are from Germany.  

Does anyone else notice these coincidences?

Siva
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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:24:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec17.232341.11697@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, arijeet@lorelei.ece.dre
xel.edu (Arijit Das) writes:
>
>In article <18432@borg.cs.unc.edu> ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Krish Ponamgi) writes:
>>
>>Sampras did **NOT** play college tennis at Stanfurd.  He didn't complete
>>high school last time I heard.  There was an interesting article in the
>
>That's what I thought, the guys from Stanford I think were MacEnroe
>and Connors (I doubt if either of them completed the program).
>---
>arijit
>
I believe Mac won the NCAA singles in his freshman and turned pro.
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From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Viability of Davis Cup?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:08:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, UCSB

In article <1992Dec11.075713.16516@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>   Personally, I like Davis Cup, especially since events like this
>aren't the norm.   For example, I don't think I've seen a more
>electrically charged set of matches than last year's Davis Cup
>final between the US and France.   I was even rooting for the French
>to win.   You really don't get that kind of energy in most day-to-day
But I would think most people in this country are not as broad-minded
as you.  Yes, it is a lot of energy on display, but IMHO, misdirected
energy.  Think of what the athletes themselves go through, and the
enormous pressure put on them.  Edberg was reportedly extremely
upset after his loss to Agassi in Minnesota, and Roset was said
to have been annoyed by Agassi's remarks at the court in Texas.
Again, the home-court advantage is so enormous at these events
that they have virtually become an exercise to use every means
to humiliate the visiting country.  France would never have been able
to pull that victory off had they not been the host of that final.
>
>    I think one of the reasons that tennis doesn't have the following
>of team sports is that team sports usually are from some city or some
>country, and the locals support their teams passionately because they
>are the home team.   You'll get fans who come year after year to watch
>their team and see how it does.   Tennis tends to be driven by
Then why isn't team tennis more popular?  
Okay, given that the Davis Cup competition is enjoyed by some, then
I suggest that it should be done not so much at the expense of individual
players.  Make the format more fair in terms of choice of players
and playing surface.  

M. Liu
From: babyface@idacrd.UUCP (Lewis E. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Position On The Tennis Court
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:45:50 GMT
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

Position yourself on the Tennis Court is very important. 
Knowing where your opponent shot will land before hand. 
This is like chess, knowing were to move and when to move.
This depends on placement of your shots into your opponent
court. Mixing up shots as well as placement creates position
on the court.

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Year-End TV Program on Women's Tennis
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:01:38 GMT


I am not sure how many of us in the US watch the "Kraft Tour Magazine"
program on ESPN. This is a monthly program on the women's tour with
highlights, etc. Its quality varies from month to month. Yesterday's
program provides a nice review of 1992 and interviews of several top
players. The re-broadcast will be at 6am EST tomorrow (Saturday).
It lasts 30 minutes and again, it is on ESPN.

I should point out that ESPN sometimes cancels the reruns. So if you
get up at 6 and end up watching sometime else, don't flame me. :-)
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     AT&T, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ,  07748  USA
From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:24:56 EST
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

M.Liu writes:
  >Vegas.  Sampras, however, was going to Standford when he won the U.S.
  >Open, so he must be one of the more educated.

Sampras in Stanford? Are you sure? He has been playing tennis full time
since 14 or something. I know his sister played college tennis. But this
is the first time I hear about Pete ever being in college.

GeSS
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From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: ESPN tennis
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:03:23 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <1992Dec14.025202.5503@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>noticed it when he won Wimbledon, but he seems even better now, speaking
>almost accentless English (except that he pronounces Stefan's name more like
>Schtefan).  A little of a British accent, in fact.   I'm not sure why
>he sounds much better than other Germans including Boris Becker and Steffi
>Graf.
>
>--
>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu

Maybe it is because he decided to complete high school unlike the Becker,
don't know about Steffi Graf.
---
arijit
From: mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ATP Challengers Tournament
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:56:04 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA



Does anyone know anything about the ATP Challengers Tournament
(for those ranked 50th and below) held in Palm Springs in
February?  I'm thinking of taking my SO for his birthday,
but I have no idea who plays in such a tournament and if it's
worth attending.

-- Marisa
From: kleng@terapin.com (Keith Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: group
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:11:42 PST
Organization: BBS


      What do you guys think of alt.sports.tennis.scores?  Sometimes I just
want to see the scores of the tournaments, and don't have time for comments.
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Grand Slam Cup final (Re: ESPN tennis)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.025202.5503@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>Spoilers follow----

Charles, having "ESPN tennis" in the subject line and then indicating
"spoilers" in the middle of you article is really helpful to those
who don't want to know the results. :-)

>    Today, Michael Stich played Michael Chang.   Stich pretty much dominated
>Chang.   He served well, fetched lots of balls, and hit winners.   It
>was helped by the fact that Chang didn't play that well, making quite a
>few errors, which is not characteristic of him.   The ESPN commentators
>felt that Chang played flat due to hit five set match against Ivanisevic,
>and that Stich was playing very well.   The final score was 6-2, 6-3, 6-2,

I too was surprised that Chang didn't play well in the final;
the tough five-set semi probably had something to do with it.
However, Stich also played a tough four-set semi till late in the
evening the day before and somehow didn't seem to affect him much.
IMHO, Stich is very talented; if he can get his act together, he
should do really well next year. Having said that, I still have
the impression that certain players don't take the Grand Slam Cup
very seriously. Becker and Courier didn't bother to show up and
Agassi just arrived the day before he had to play (Mac and Sampras
also played Davis Cup but arrived two days earlier). Ivanisevic
more or less tanked a couple of sets in the semi. Had everybody
taken this seriously, I doubt very much that Chang could get to
the final two years in a row on fast carpet with so strong a field.
In fact, the 1990 Grand Slam Cup winner Sampras didn't play well
enough to qualify in 1991. The same thing happened to last year's
winner Wheaton.

>    As a side note, it seems that Stich's English is quite good.   I first
>noticed it when he won Wimbledon, but he seems even better now, speaking
>almost accentless English (except that he pronounces Stefan's name more like
>Schtefan).  A little of a British accent, in fact.   I'm not sure why
>he sounds much better than other Germans including Boris Becker and Steffi
>Graf.

Yes, I noticed that too. In general, players from western Europe
speak very good English: the Germans, the Swedishes, etc., but Stich
is particularly good. Graf has difficulty with "th," for example.
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-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
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From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Some pros are playing in Australia
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:57:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

I see I somehow managed to send out a null article again.
What I was going to say was this:
USA TOday (12/18) reported the results of a tournament in Australia
called the Colonial Classic (or something like that), with Pat
Cash (who retired from his match) and Alexendar Volkov, among 
others.  Volkov was seeded 4th so there must be other top players
involved.
Looks like some people are already getting ready for the Australian
Open.

M. Liu
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Grand Slam cup - choice of surface
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 03:49:35 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@periodic.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Dec14.003342.17327@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das) writes:
>After watching Kulti play MacEnroe I felt that the choice of surface 
>for the Grand slam cup cup was not fair. For a clay court player doing well
>on carpet in not expected. Also I don't know if there is any surface that
>is fair to players from clay, grass, and carpet.

    You're not going to be able to hold a grass court tournament at that
time of year (winter).  They have constructed indoor clay courts, but
that is still rare.  Having an indoor surface is probably most reasonable
since that's what most surfaces indoors are.   In addition, they probably
want to favor their own players, namely Stich and Becker who are more
proficient fast court players.   

    Name the top players, and many of them are fast court players.   So,
it might stand to reason that they choose a fast court to accomadate these
players.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: arti@brahms.udel.edu (Arti Nigam)
Subject: Re: Grand Slam cup - choice of surface
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:52:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.200706.16229@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.034935.6272@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>>since that's what most surfaces indoors are.   In addition, they probably
>>want to favor their own players, namely Stich and Becker who are more
>>proficient fast court players.   
>>
>>    Name the top players, and many of them are fast court players.   So,
>>it might stand to reason that they choose a fast court to accomadate these
>>players.
>>
>>--
>>Charles Lin
>>clin@eng.umd.edu
>
>No offense but by your reasoning players who do well in Wimbeldon (grass)
>and French (clay) should not be invited to the Grand Slam cup.
>---
>arijit

Why shouldn't players that do well in Wimbledon be invited to  the Grand
Slam cup.  Grass is the fastest.

Siva

Email replies to ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu please.
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:32:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <1992Dec14.200323.12881@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.025202.5503@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes (with regards to Michael's Stitch's better English):
>>
>> A little of a British accent, in fact.   I'm not sure why
>>he sounds much better than other Germans including Boris Becker and Steffi
>>Graf.
>>
>
>Maybe it is because he decided to complete high school unlike the Becker,
>don't know about Steffi Graf.
>---
I wonder how many of the top players are high school grads.  Sounds like 
Becker isn't, and Edberg, since he started on the tour at 16, probably dropped
out of high school as well.  Agassi also didn't finish high school in Las
Vegas.  Sampras, however, was going to Standford when he won the U.S.
Open, so he must be one of the more educated.

Education aside, the players who are considered cerebral include: McEnroe,
Becker, Chang, & Hlasek, on the men's side.  Wilander was also supposed to
be intellectual.

M. Liu
From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: ESPN tennis
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:23:54 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <1992Dec14.005505.21104@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>
>Is there anything wrong with your TV(or your hearing)? I am not a 
>native speaker and I heard every word she said very clear. Maybe you
>were chewing popcorns when you were watching?

I am also not a native english speaker but have been speaking english for long,
and also Mary Carillo does not have a strong accent, but believe me she 
reminded me of the Mary Pierce vs Capriati match where she showed no respect
for the game being played and decided that her views (even if irrelevant) 
merit more attention.  
---
arijit
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