From: fun5@quads.uchicago.edu (BloodWynd)
Subject: Re: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Keywords: dragon white black kung fu kimewaza
Reply-To: fun5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:55:43 GMT

In article <5408@krafla.rhi.hi.is> hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes:
>First I want to apologize for a serious spelling mistake in my 
>last posting.  Although just a single letter was misspelled, this
>caused an error of 800 years!  
>
>Where it says: "Kimewaza...developed in India around 400 B.C...."
>Should read  : "Kimewaza...developed in India around 400 A.C...."
>                                                        ^^^ 
>I understand that the credibility of the story diminished dramatically
>with this error.  Note that in my first posting on Kimewaza this
>was spelled correctly though.
>
>. . .
>
>I asked my Kimewaza sensei about the orign of this art, he told me
>the following:
>
>- In around 400 A.C. there was a monk called Boddidarhma developing
>  martial arts in India.

OK, no prob here ...

>- He travelled to China carrying the wisdom of Buddism and his martial
>  arts style with him.
we start to see dialogue that can be traced to a dubbed kung-fu movie involving
a really OLD kung-fu master here ...

>- [Either in China or Japan] the art split into several parts, the
>  two most powerful were:
>  White Dragon Kung Fu and Black Dragon Kung Fu.
>- Black Dragon Kung Fu became the art of the Ninja, those who 
>  use the black power.

Now we're into full swing bad-kung-fu-movie-ese!

>- White Dragon Kung Fu became Kimewaza, the white art of defence.
>  [I think the Kimewaza name comes from China].

'BECAME' Kimewaza?  Hoo boy.  Kimewaza certainly sounds Chinese!  NOT.

>- It is VERY hard to trace the lineage of Kimewaza, it seems to have
>  disappeared a couple of centuries ago.  The only real reference to
>  it are on old scrolls and perhapps in a few books in Japanese libraries.  
>- The art of kimewaza is based on the four elements.  Each element
>  having a different style.

I think there a certain amount (ie a little bit) of valid mysticism in the
martial arts, but this is going a bit far, wouldn't you say?

>My sensei is doing a research on Kimewaza himself.  He has an Icelandic
>translation of "JUDO" by R.Bowen and H.M.Hodkinson, there Kimewaza was
>mentioned but no bibliography was given, so the source of the information
>can not be traced.  He would be grateful if anyone having the orignal
>copy of the book could look for a bibliography and inform us if found.
>
>My sensei learned the art from a Chinese teacher.  He says the name
>Kimewaza is an old name, not some fancy title made up here in Iceland!
>[To Dominik Zemmler: You say the art originates from Iceland, did you
>base this on the fact that your teacher was Icelandic?  In my opinion
>that is not a reasoning].
> 
>I'd want to know if anyone is familiar with the White vs. Black Dragon
>Kung Fu branching of martial arts.  Those of you studying the art of 
>the Ninja, do you recall the Black Dragon Kung Fu as a name for the art?
>
>From the information I've gathered so far,  Kimewaza seems to be a generec 
>term for martial-arts defense styles.  How does that sound?
>
A little fishy.  Kung Fu is a definite CHINESE term applying to Chinese MA's,
so I doubt that practitioners of Ninjutsu would use the term; even if they 
did, it would be a 'Japanese-ized' term (ie Shorin-ryu supposedly is the Jap.
euqivalent of the Chinese Shaolin-tse).  You may be learning something 
decent or valid from your teacher, but either someone pulled the wool over
his eyes as to *what* he was learning, or he's doing it to you.


>Thanks for your interest,
>
>Hannes Hogni Vilhjalmsson (Eldark)
>hhv@rhi.hi.is
>Computer Science 
>The University of Iceland

(BTW, this was NOT a flame)

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