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From: azn30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BULLS SCHEDULE
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:25:23 GMT
Reply-To: azn30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA



Hi Guys,


  Recently, I had posted a request for Bulls game schedule. Lot of people 
  responded. Thanks to all the people who took some effort & time to respond.


  Thanks again,

  Anand
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Sonics end of year report
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:01:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa
Summary: Sonics

In article <1992Dec31.030755.19399@cheshire.oxy.edu>, tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
> 
>      Well I'd been a SuperSonics SuperSceptic so far this season, but
> after seeing three road games, where they beat Portland and the Lakers,
> and narrowly lost to the Suns, all without Shawn Kemp, I convinced.
>      The Sonics are not up there with the Suns and Bulls as The Teams
> to Beat, but they're right there with New York, Portland, and maybe
> Utah in the next group of contenders.  

Of this group, I think that the Sonics have the best chance to get 
better, mainly because Kemp will return to the lineup.

>      #1 reason:  Gary Payton (as several people have already noted)
> has improved tremendously.  He will shoot outside shots without hesitation,
> and he's hitting at a 54.5% rate.  

I believe that right now Gary Payton is the best player on this club,
and possibly an All-Star. Quarterbacking almost any other team, he
would average 10 asst. a game; as it is, he is an exceptionally
creative offensive player, especially so now that he has developed
a shot. Defensively, he is probably the best at his position in the
Western Conference.

> Apparently a lot of credit goes to
> assistant coach Tim Grgurich, who literally spent one month of the
> summer with Payton having him shoot thousands of jumpers.

Evidently, Grgurich started by helping refind a bread-and-butter
shot that he had lost confidence in: The short pull-up jumper from
the key. With this under his belt, Gary was able to develop a more
reliable shot from further out.

>      #2 reason:  good team defense.  Without Kemp, and for that matter
> Benjamin, the Sonics were seemingly outmanned down low.  But their
> traditional hard-nosed, overplaying, double-teaming, gambling style of
> defense has now been backed up with excellent defensive rotation.  

I have to give individual notice here to Michael Cage. He has been
rebounding well even even by his standards (35 in two games, recently)
and has more than held his own against opposing centers (Including holding
the Shaq to nine points). George Karl probably singles out Michael's
contributions more than any other player.

Paul



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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: BOXSCORE mil26orl23.28dec92
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:02:27 GMT


mil 94, orl 110   28dec92

dnp: orl - kerr,steve(cd)
           reynolds,jerry(cd)
illegal defense warning: mil,orl
technical fouls: brickowski,frank(8:33 3rd)
                 FHamblen(8:33 3rd)
                 brickowski,frank(5:04 4th)
                 MGuokas(12:00 2nd)

mil (11-15)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
avent,anthony     34   8  15   0  0   0  0   1  5   2  4  0  2  2  0  0  0   16
edwards,blue      33   8  14   1  2   1  3   3  3   0  5  1  0  1  0  0  0   18
brickowski,frank  20   3   7   0  0   2  2   2  2   1  5  2  4  2  2  1  0    8
murdock,eric      34   6  16   0  1   6  7   3  5   6  2  3  1  0  0  0  0   18
robertson,alvin   32   3   7   1  2   1  2   1  2   3  3  1  1  0  0  0  0    8
schayes,danny     22   0   3   0  0   4  4   0  4   1  2  2  1  0  0  0  0    4
lohaus,brad       18   1   9   1  5   0  0   2  5   2  2  1  0  0  0  0  0    3
day,todd          18   3  13   2  6   4  4   0  1   1  6  0  0  0  0  0  0   12
mayberry,lee      14   1   4   0  1   0  0   0  1   2  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
roberts,fred      13   2   5   0  1   1  2   1  2   1  0  1  1  0  0  0  0    5
pullard,anthony    1   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
barry,jon          1   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
mil totals       240  35  93   5 18  19 24  13 30  19 30 11 10  5  2  1  0   94
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .376   .278   .792       team rebs 12
bench technicals: FHamblen

orl (13-10)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
scott,dennis      39   8  18   5  9   4  4   1  6   4  2  0  3  0  0  0  0   25
tolbert,tom       32   3   8   0  1   2  4   2 12   4  1  3  1  2  0  0  0    8
o'neal,shaquille  38   9  15   0  0   3  4   6 14   2  3  1  3  5  0  0  0   21
skiles,scott      42   6   9   0  1   4  4   2  4  12  5  0  4  0  0  0  0   16
anderson,nick     29   4  11   1  2   3  4   3  8   0  2  2  6  0  0  0  0   12
bowie,anthony     19   6  10   0  0   1  2   2  4   1  3  0  5  3  0  0  0   13
kite,greg         10   0   2   0  0   2  4   2  5   0  4  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
green,litterial    6   2   2   0  0   4  4   0  1   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    8
turner,jeff       11   0   5   0  0   0  0   3  4   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
royal,donald      14   1   2   0  0   3  4   1  3   0  1  0  0  1  0  0  0    5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
orl totals       240  39  82   6 13  26 34  22 61  23 24  6 22 11  0  0  0  110
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .476   .462   .765       team rebs 11, team TO's 1
bench technicals: MGuokas

mil   24  25  21  24  -   94
orl   25  33  24  28  -  110

attendance 15151, time 2:13, officials: NFine,SJavie,DJones
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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: My A to Z list
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Dec 1992 10:19 EST  

>|> N -- Nance, Larry (Can't think of many N's)

Does this mean that he's just here since his name starts with N???!!!

Well, even though you can't think of many N's, you did pretty good.  Had 
Larry played his career on a team like the Bulls of today or the Celts or 
Lakers of the 80's, he would be thought of at the level of players like 
Kevin McHale or James Worthy.  No, not a Wilt, MJ, Bird, or Magic, but not 
that far away from being able to beat you just about any way possible.  
With the outside shot, the drive to the hoop, the Dr. J-ish slam (which you 
don't see much anymore-but he still can do them), the rebounds a foot above 
the rim, blocked shot, and the outlet pass to a streaking teammate, and 
then finishing it at the other end.  All while maintaining more class than 
90% of all players to ever play the game, and never advertising his 
self-greatness once.  Even though Larry's only been given the all star 
status once in each conference (Suns/Cavs), he has to be one of the all 
time greatest players to never be recognized with more all star appearances

You'd win a lot of championships if you had a team full of Larry Nance's.

Happy Holidays to all.....

Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: La Lakers
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:13:45 GMT

In article <1h7j29INNiu9@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
>In article <fWWBUBD@quack.sac.ca.us> benjie@quack.sac.ca.us (Android) writes:
>|..[]..
>|But don't forget, Scott is one of the few remaining old Lakers.  In
>|Chick's word, he is Laker-like, more Laker-like than Worthy, Green.
>..[]..
>This is such meaningless drivel that it makes me sick. Too many
>other Laker fans talk like this.  ..[]...

like who? Chick Hearn?  well, it may be that you have a reasonable
excuse to be losing your lunch over this.  perhaps you meant to
say that Hearn didnt say that....

i happen to value Chick Hearn's opinions, even if i dont believe them
all the time.  he doesnt strike me as someone who would distort the
truth as much as - say - Johnny Most....
>
>	R.S.

if you had asked me who might best represent Laker-like spirit, i
would have said A.C.Green, easy.  Worthy has no apologies to make
in that regard in my opinion either.  that Chick could place Byron
ahead of them is 1) curious, and 2) taken with a grain of salt here.
if there is something to this, then Magic has accomplished an even
greater thing than supposed.  far from meaningless drivel, perhaps
you would care to enlighten the rest of us who dont see the daily
ins and outs of the Lakers and cant form the "proper" conclusion.

nate
(lakers in 3)
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From: bprisco@shearson.com (Bobby Prisco)
Subject: Re: Bulls vs. Knicks!
Reply-To: bprisco@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:53:57 GMT

In article 1hu9opINN61o@shelley.u.washington.edu, tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes: 
> 
> 	37 pts win for the knicks = 12 pts win for the bulls
> 	------------------------------------------------------
> 	who cares about the pts? chicago didn't bother to catch
> 	up and lost the game, big deal. but it was the new york
> 	knicks who faltered and shattered and lost their lead
> 	in the x'mas game in chicago.

Vince Celeti wrote: 
> >long it would take to get all the new faces to play together?  This team 
> >has played 25 games together, and is in the class of the NBA elite already! 
> >They should only get better as the season progresses.
> 
Twin Turbo's lame response:> 	not with doc(?) river and greg anthony.
> 
> 

Hey Turbo breath, chicago didn't bother to try and catch up at the Garden?
Sound pretty dame lame to me! 

While Vince and most knick fans will agree, the bulls dominated us in
the second half Xmas night. No lame excuses.

This is a classic case where the chicago team shows more class
than some of their fans.


Bobby


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From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Subject: NBA REVIEW - 20 Games
Keywords: nba
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:22:32 GMT

This is a little late due to the holidays, but here is the standings of all
the NBA teams after their first twenty games. For those who didn't see my
first review (after 10), the reason I do this is because I hate how teams
always have different totals of games played, making it hard to really
compare them. These are the standings after every team has played their
twentieth game, with some observations/awards at the end. Enjoy.


                   W    L    pct.   Last 10
PACIFIC
Phoenix           16    4   .800      9-1
Portland          14    6   .700      6-4
Seattle           13    7   .650      6-4
LA Lakers         13    7   .650      7-3     Total   83-57    .593
LA Clippers       12    8   .600      7-3
Golden State       9   11   .450      5-5
Sacramento         6   14   .300      1-9

MIDWEST
Utah              14    6   .700      8-2
Houston           13    7   .650      6-4
San Antonio        9   11   .450      5-5     Total   50-70    .417
Denver             7   13   .350      3-7
Minnesota          5   15   .250      2-8
Dallas             2   18   .100      1-9

CENTRAL
Chicago           14    6   .700      6-4
Indiana           11    9   .550      6-4
Charlotte         11    9   .550      5-5
Detroit           10   10   .500      8-2     Total  75-65     .536
Atlanta           10   10   .500      5-5
Milwaukee         10   10   .500      3-7 
Cleveland          9   11   .450      4-6

ATLANTIC
New York          13    7   .650      7-3
Orlando           11    9   .550      4-6
New Jersey        11    9   .550      7-3 
Boston             9   11   .450      7-3     Total  62-78     .443
Washington		 7   13   .350      3-7
Miami              6   14   .300      2-8
Philadelphia       5   15   .250      2-8


Most Improved: Detroit  (from 2-8 to 10-10)
Most Degenerated: Milwaukee  (from 7-3 to 10-10)
Biggest Losers: Dallas and Sacramento  (1-9 in last 10)
Biggest Winner: Phoenix  (9-1 in last 10)
Most consistent: Atlanta (5-5 to 10-10) and Dallas (1-9 to 2-18)



-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: La Lakers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:25:29 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
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NNTP-Posting-Host: itro7s.aero.org

In article <fWWBUBD@quack.sac.ca.us> benjie@quack.sac.ca.us (Android) writes:
|robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
|
|But don't forget, Scott is one of the few remaining old Lakers.  In
|Chick's word, he is Laker-like, more Laker-like than Worthy, Green.  I
|remember last year, at the end of the regular season, before LAKERS'
|final game, every player was watching the Rocket game because if the
|Rocket lost(which they did), they would have a chance to make the
|playoffs.  Scott was the only one not watching because he said it would
|be "Un-Laker like".  He is a influence, on the team, mentally.

This is such meaningless drivel that it makes me sick. Too many
other Laker fans talk like this. WATCH THE GODDAMNED GAMES. WATCH
WHAT THE PLAYERS DO (AND DON'T DO). Get your opinions from that.

JEEEZUS.

	R.S.
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: La Lakers
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:08:47 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
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In article <1992Dec23.152357.28826@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
|In article <42818@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
|>
|>   [Vach's stuff ommitted]
|
|Do you guys watch Laker games much or what?  Repeat: Byron Scott was no
|doubt the Laker most dependent on Magic.  On one NBC broadcast of the Lakers
|last year, Magic said that Scott was definitely the player who was hurt
|most on court by his absence...hear that?  Magic said it himself.

I remember that comment by Magic. I'd be interested to hear what he'd
say about that today.

			R.S.

PS   Again, what "Magic said" is heresay. Your opinions based upon your
     observations of the team's play carry much more weight IMHO.

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami)
Subject: Re: NBA Franchises in 1949-50
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:26:19 GMT

dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin) writes:
> The Sheboygan Redskins

This has to be my second all-time favorite team name!

The *top* all-time name is something I saw at the Basketball Hall
Of Fame in Springfield, Mass.:  The Cleveland Rosenblooms.  World
champions, ca. 1937.


--Gidi	(Go Rosenblooms!)

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From: pat@chinet.chi.il.us (Patrick Louis Sugent)
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:02:38 GMT

kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
>
>werstln@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael Werstlein) writes:
>The Suns are just awesome now.  I don't think Chicago would beat them now, at
>Phoenix.  I also think the Suns will beat Chicago back in Chicago Stadium.
>Definitely worthy opponents to the Lakers :)

  I actually missed the game (darnit), but how is "now" different than
when Chicago beat Phoenix in Phoenix earlier this year?  In fact, wasn't
that Phoenix's last loss?

  Not that I'm saying Phoenix isn't a great team.  I just don't get
your point.

Pat
-- 
Patrick Sugent                       

pat@chinet.chi.il.us		     
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From: sepeczi_joe@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: 86 Celtics v. 92 Bulls
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:58:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.134346.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> bcimmet@eagle.wesleyan.edu
writes:
>In regards to the questions involving the 91-92 Bulls and the 85-86 Celtics, I
>went home and used a statistical program I have for my computer that can
>simulate games between any teams. I had it play 100 games between the 92 Bulls
>and the 86 Celtics. Bulls won the series 54-46. Jordan averaged about 27 ppg.
>Others for the Bulls were Pippen, 20 ppg, Grant, 13, Armstrong, 8, Paxson,5.
>Those were the top scorers. For the Celtics, Bird 22, McHale, 21, Parish 16,
>Johnson 13, Walton 6. The stats that came out aren't precise to the season
>stats for any of the players simply because these were games just between
these
>two teams. If anyone would like any other simulations, please let me know; I
>love playing with that game. Either email me at BCIMMET@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU or
>post requests here.
>
>- Medford
 The only question I have is what kind of program application are you using and
what sort of system.  It sounds very interesting.

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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:01:10 GMT

: ps. no Australian worth his salt would drink Foster's anyway.

What, pray tell, would an Australian worth his salt drink?  I'm always on the
lookout for a good beer...

ObBasketball: Longley is an above average NBA stiff, IMHO.  I don't see that
he's any worse than, say, Will Perdue or Greg Dreiling, for example.  I don't
know that there are too many other teams besides Dallas and Minnesota that he
would get significant minutes for, but that doesn't mean he doesn't belong in
the NBA.
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.051104.21258@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>No offense.. But the only "legendary" thing about Jordan's work ethic I
>have ever heard is his desire to skip parts of training camp.  I have never
>heard anything good said (but this is not to say it is bad, just that the 
>only thing I have ever heard about his work ethic has been bad..)
>
>David T. Meeks

while it is true that "man bites dog" is bigger news than "dog bites man",
i do sort of see where this latest snippet sort of fits in with the picture
we've been getting of Michael, the man, as opposed to Michael, the athlete.
and it appears that Pippen is in the "yeah - what he said" camp.

the obvious point for all of you Jordan devotees is that the rest of us may
accentuate the bad facets and poke fun at the guys at the top.  there may not
be anyone of us following another team who wouldnt trade any one of their
players straight up for Michael on the spot (well, maybe the long range
plans with Shaquille may give an Orlando fan pause, etc., etc.).  :-)

- nate, "the Incredible Hulk"
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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: What happened to the Big O (Miller)?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:32:51 GMT

I've been away for a while and I've noticed that Oliver Miller hasn't
appeared in any Phoenix Boxscores for a while.  Is he hurt? How hurt?
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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: News on MO YASIN
Organization: a gora
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:40:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.223317.1@wharton.upenn.edu> newberg68@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>All I've heard about this Yasin dude is what I read in the Associated Press
>wire section of the Daily Pennsylvanian.
>Supposedly he was asked to the Olympic tryouts but declined as he is not a
>U.S. citizen. 


  What Olympic tryouts???

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From: jntlp@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Scott's foot injury
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:05:09 GMT

In article <42914@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec29.112147.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, jntlp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> |> I severely sprained my right ankle in early September.  I can't tell you how
> |> bad this baby was; this was like nothing I've ever experienced or seen.
> |> The emergency room Dr. said it would be 2 years before I could play again at
> |> full speed.                             -------
> |> 
> |> Tom L. Pittman
> |> CCTHITA
> 
> I sprained my ankle when someone tried to take me out on a layup.  I actually
> tore a ligament.  It took me about 6 mos. to walk properly on it.  I didn't
> go for any physiotherapy (more fool I), and about a year later, took up
> tennis.  More strain on the ankles sometimes, but any injury will be your own
> fault, not some asshole who thinks he's sacking a quarterback.
> 
> But look at what sports medicine has done for so many sprained feet.  I wish
> they wouldn't say that Scott just sprained an ankle - that can mean so many
> things, from a mild sprain that you can walk off, to a third degree ligament
> tear.  That way, we can see if Scott was just being a wuss, or if it was
> something serious.  Like that bump on the head that Sedale got the other
> day - Chick was mad that they sent him a note that Sedale was ok, as he was
> trotting off to the locker room.  Misinformation.
> 
Mine was the same as yours it sounds like... torn ligaments and seperated ankle
bones the ER Dr explained, and then called all that a sprain.  I like your
"third degree ligament" phrase.  Hey, a burn is a highly variable injury and
telling someone you burned your arm could mean anything... there is quite a
difference between a 1st degree burn and a third degree burn.

Wouldn't it be great if we could get sports medicine to adopt such a
classification system for sprains?

> So what shall we do about the *&@$#ing Lakers?

Got me, but then I'm in the Sonics corner!  :)
> 
> -Vach
> Lakers 4-2 on the road trip

Tom L. Pittman
CCTHITA
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:17:08 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec30.082246.20057@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>It is stated in the Chicago Tribune this morning, that playing in the
>Olympics really have hurt the Bulls this year.  Jordan claims he has 
>been very fatigued and cohesiveness of the team has been damaged. 
>Pippen agreed, also claiming his tendinitis is from overuse.  They both
>said it was a great experience to meet and play with the Dream Team,
>but if they had a choice again, no matter how much pressure, they 
>wouldn't have gone.  In the long run, it will hurt the team, they 
>claimed.
>Christopher Gattuso

well...isnt that special.  sounds like a couple of whiners digging
pretty deep to find the cause of the Chicago flatness to me.

on another note, here's a vote for No Repeat Appearances by any NBA
player.  there are plenty of players to form "dream" teams from. ( i'd
make an exception for Sir Charles, though :-).  then mikey and scotty
dont have to "agonize" over whether they should go again - they wont
be allowed to.  somehow i dont think magic & bird would mind this rule
either.

- nate
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