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Subject: USCF and recumbents
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 12:38:37 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I recall Les telling us that most recumbents are legal for racing in
USCF sanctioned events. But in a receint HPV News (published by
the International Human Powered Vehicle Assn.) (May/June 1992)
there is a letter from John Tarbert, assistant exec. dir. of the USCF
stating that the Technical Committee decided that recumbents
were NOT legal in mass start races.

Which is it? Any ideas?
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From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: stats on TdF in years past
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:59:32 GMT

> The two Dutch (oops, another word) riders would have been Janssen in
> 1968, and Zoetemelk in 1980.  Anyone want to guess what Zoetemelk is
> in English (Netherlands readers not eligible)?
> 
How about "sweet milk"?
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Reorganization: voting suggestion
Keywords: stealth.sig
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:25:52 GMT

In article <-#lmvx_.obrien@netcom.com>, obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:

	[as a followup to "I voted no because they didn't change
	rec.bicycles to rec.bicycle"]

 > If a *different* proposal is still forced to wait six months,
 > I consider that preferable to being saddled with a stupid name
 > 	"<whine>because it's *always* been that way"
 > which would last essentially forever.

Note that there are quite a few people who have publicly stated that
they would vote no *only if* the name change you want was made.  There
are differences of opinion, obviously.

Personally, I think rec.bicycles.soc is a stupid name, but I'd like
to see that group in substance, and perhaps the name can be changed
in the future.

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike nashbar and the Avia Sport shoes Pamela recommended
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:38:55 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Jul25.121024.14161@husc3.harvard.edu>
kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) squeeks: 
>
>... Look ARC cleats (mine are getting a bit
>worn and TEflon no longer stops the squeaks for long), ...

>-Case

Try ArmorAll (tm).  It usually works and is cheaper than new cleats.
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell)
Subject: Ride indexing for climbing and distance
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:33:23 GMT


A couple of weeks ago there was some speculation on methods of accounting for
climbing in the difficulty of a ride.  A colleague of mine, Chris Hull,
developed the idea of a ride index, and I have written an article explaining
what an index is and how it is calculated.

I have already posted the article once in its entirety and once in two parts,
but it seems that quite a few newsfeeder machines limit the size and/or length
of incoming articles.  Since I think this is an interesting concept that I have
not seen discussed in this forum before, and because I think my previous
postings did not completely distribute, I will hazard another (and probably
final) attempt at publicity.

If you are interested in receiving a copy of the complete article, please send
me an email request.  Mike Iglesias has placed a copy in the rec.bicycles
archive on draco.acs.uci.edu (128.200.34.12) in the directory: pub/rec.bicycles.
ftp'ers are requested to restrict access to 7p-7a Pacific Time.

I have included the introduction below.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bicyclists often wish to compare the relative difficulty of rides of varying
lengths and of varying amounts of climbing.  Today, one can buy inexpensive
instruments that can accurately record gross climbing and distance traveled,
two data values important for comparing different rides.  The Avocet model 50
cyclecomputer is one such instrument.

The aim of this article is to develop a system of comparing rides with different
amounts of climbing and distance by determining a single parameter, an index.
The index of a ride is the equivalent "flat-land" miles or kilometers in terms
of Calories burned by the human body.

A formula to determine the index of a ride will be constructed that is accurate
enough to be useful yet does not require complicated calculations.  That this
formula can be modified to accommodate riders of different weights (masses) and
of different riding speeds will be shown.  An iterative means of checking and
adjusting the formula will also be shown.  Of course, the formula must be used
consistently in either the English or SI system of units.

[more]

-- 
bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com	(Bill Bushnell)
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From: psierra@dit.upm.es (Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando)
Subject: Quevedo, the last one in TdF
Organization: Dept. Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos, UPM, Madrid, Spain.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:19:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.200216.7957@math.waterloo.edu> arpepper@math.waterloo.edu (Adrian Pepper) writes:


   >131	Quevedo		AMA  @3:54:06  last rider

   So, do they still award a "lanterne rouge"?  If Manders drops off the
   back of the peleton, does Quevedo make sure he drops back as well, and
   so-on?  On fast flat stages where everyone otherwise tends to finish
   together, do they have a slow-riding competition towards the end,
   although ultimately limited by the maximum finishing time for the
   stage?

In the Spanish TV there was an interview with Indurain(first) and Quevedo(last)
and Quevedo said: This year many people speak about me because I'm the last one
but others years I did it better and nobody spoke about me. 

I have to say that Quevedo is a good modest rider, but this year he lost a lot
of time waiting for his bosses Fabio Parra and Landelino Cubino, they dropped
due to diferent reasons(Parra broke some bones). I think Quevedo has merits
because he finishes the race.

Pedro
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#   Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando        E-mail: psierra@dit.upm.es            #
#   Dpto. de Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos                             #
#   E.T.S. de Ingenieros de Telecomunicaciones                              # 
#   Universidad Politecnica de Madrid (Espa~na)                             #
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Help! Knee Pain
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:32:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.153118.16936@oracle.pnl.gov>, d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:

|> 
|> The other major problem is caused by incorrect fit on the
|> bike.  You need to find a Pro-shop with equipment like the
|> fit-kit to position you on the bike.

Your chance of finding a Fit-Kit outside of the U.S. is slim. (the original poster lives in the French Maritime Alpes).  Fit-Kit is some American techno-fix for the 'Pro-Bike Supermarket' which isn't.  A good bike shop should be able to advise on fit anyway.  Cleat's are a good one to watch for knee pain - esp. clipless pedals.

David.
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From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: New fork...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:58:10 GMT

A couple of weeks ago I asked for opinions on how to straighten my
bicycle's fork. The fork had been bent in a collision with a car. Some
people gave me good advice as to how to go about straightening the fork.
However, the great majority of people recommended that I change the fork.
After pondering the pros and cons, I decided to get a new fork. 

The main purpose of this message is to thank all the people that took their
time to reply. So, THANKS!

Javier.

 


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From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: ?? on world champ colors
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:44:14 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization
Keywords: world championship

Oscar S. Cavazos writes:
>
> [...stuff deleted...]
>
>Also, does anyone have the date and location for this years WC race.
>
>Thanks.

There are no amateur WC in Olympic years except in the track events that
aren't Olympic events like tandem sprints, motor paced, etc.

I believe the pro WC are in San Sabastian(sp?), Spain.

I don't know when but they're typically in September.

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM



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From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: Results: Olympics, first day
In-reply-to: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu's message of 27 Jul 1992 18:31:13 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:49:50

In article <7004@lib.tmc.edu> cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith) writes:

   Opening Day Results from the Houston Chronicle:

Thanks for the results.

   WomenUs Road Race

   Gold    Kathryn Watt, Australia    2:04:42
   Silver  Jeannie Longo, France      2:05:02
   Bronze  Minique knol, Netherlands    s.t.
   4       Natalya Kistchuk, Unified T  s.t.
   5       Monica Valvik, Norway        s.t.
   6       Jeanne Golay, United States  s.t.

   Also note that Kathryn Watt was a virtual international
   unknown so the pack let her get away early (3rd lap I believe)
   and then compounded that mistake by not chasing her until the 
   last few kilometers because the Rbig gunsS were so busy 
   watching each other that they apparently forgot about the 
   Australian.
   Congratulations on a very nice race.

I really don't understand this. Watt won several stages of the Ore-Ida
stage race, the premier woman's race in the world. On one stage she
took :36 seconds from Inga Thompson (or something; I don't have
VeloNews handy). So she wasn't unknown to the American team or the
other national teams that were at the Ore-Ida. Maybe Thompson was too
fried from her solo chase to do much about Watt's attack. Monday Morning
Quarterback time here: as soon as I saw her go off the front and blow
by the lead break of two, I knew she was going to win the race.

It's too bad that international women's road races are so short. The
race kind of resembled a Cat 4 race, with the pack chasing down
everything that moved. 

I enjoyed the footage of Inga Thompson riding her Harley. What a
woman! :-) 

--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
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From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
In-reply-to: tomk@netcom.com's message of Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:54:42 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
	<1992Jul27.190737.16751@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> <p!mm8=.tomk@netcom.com>
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:10:34

In article <p!mm8=.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

   Let us assume that Dede had dropped back to pace Inga back up to
   the peloton. Then something happened to Inga's bike and she
   had to wait for a new bike. 

   What could be happening without another American up there? When
   you have two people from a country team tactics don't work very well.

There were three American women in the race: Inga Thompson, Sally
Zack, and Jeanne Goulay. These are some of the best women bicycle
racers in the world. If, i.e. Goulay dropped back for Thompson,
Zack would have been able to keep an eye on things. Everyone seemed so
eager to fuck over Longo that an attack against Thompson wasn't very
likely. 

Does anyone know what kind of support was available? Hell, we had neutral
support in our district championships. It's ridiculous that Thompson
had to ride the rest of the race on a tweaked front wheel.

   If you're damned lucky you and your teammate can use each other, but
   in most cases it's almost like a solitary race.

I grant that three people on a team isn't much, but, with the possible
exception of the French, no one was working together in that race.

--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cassette Cog Longevity Question
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:28:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.105537.15142@synapse.bms.com> idelson@bms.com writes:
>
>I was wondering what other people's experiences with cassette cog
>longevity is.  How many miles does a (Hyperglide) cassette usually
>last?
>
>I have a Cannondale R600 with 105 components which I bought in
>September. I have put about 2700 miles on the bike. I changed the chain
>at about 1000 miles. My mechanic tells me my chain and cassette are
>both worn and need to be replaced.  I am very conscientious about
>keeping the drive train clean.
>
>I was wondering if this was a typical life span for these parts, if it
>seems kinda short or if I got more miles than expected.
>
I have Shimano Hyperglide 105 on my bike.  I have nearly 5000 miles on it
and just installed my third chain.  It still shifts well and I cannot see
nor feel any significant wear since the day I bought it.  It seems very
odd to me that your system would need replacing after only 2700 miles.
>idelson@idg02.bms.com
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:57:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Jobst, the original message mentioned, I believe, a Mavic MA-40
rim. It jsut so happens that I have seen three cases of what he
described and they all occurred after the spokes had been overtensioned.

Now, there may be something to your anodizing theory. Perhaps
the longitudinal cracks start via some flaws in the anodizing layer.
I don't know about that. However, I'm sure that the trouble starts
with overtensioning.

I would think that if given a more complete desciption you would find
that as well as finding the 'pull-through' you talked about you would
also find out that the nipple was also shaved off on the sides. Rims
are pretty tough aluminum and they pretty much raise hell with a 
nipple being pulled through.

In all three cases of these rims there were very many logitudinal cracks
and they were sometimes masked in the lines on the sides of the rims
from the brake pads rubbing through the anodizing layer. There were also
cracks between spoke holes. Maybe there was a bad batch from Mavic?

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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Connie Young's loss
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:13:47 GMT

I happened to catch a review of Connie Young's downfall on the tube
this morning.  In her first ride, Cannie was in the sprinters lane and
appeared to have her French opponent beat, but came up out of the lane
by a couple inches.  That made it a question of whether she interfered
with the forward progress of the other rider.  It appeared to me that
there was no interference, but it was a judgement call and it went
against her.

In the repechage Connie was again in the sprinters lane when her
German opponent, who was overlapped and slightly ahead, came down into
the sprinters lane and ratherly clearly interfered with her.
Nevertheless, the commissaires declared "no foul," which put Young out
of the competition.  Looked like very inconsistent officiating to me.
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: What happened?
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:36:06 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naru@hurricane.eng.umd.edu


Last night (12/29) I taped the 12:30 to 2:05 (12/30 am) Olympic converage in hopes of seeing
some track event.  Well, this morning as I fast forwarded through the volley ball and
boxing, I came up to the end of the show!  Did I skip through the track coverage?  I was fast
forwarding every 5 min., so if the segment was less than 5 min I might 've missed it.

So if  anyone who saw the entire program, or people in the west coast who 
might have had a chance to see show live, i.e., not taped, 
please let me know if they did or did not show the track event.

Thanks in advance,
Naru Takashima

p.s. Although I did enjoy the V-ball, I WANTED TO SEE CYCLING!!!!!
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From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:04:00 GMT

In article <JOEH.92Jul29233024@ami.sps.mot.com>, joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger) writes...
> 
>I used to use the left arm method until my arm was ripped off by a
>passing garbage truck. Now I use my left leg raised over my head.

A similar thing happened to me, only I was clipped by a low flying 
sea plane and decapitated. Now, I can't decide which method to use.

Mike



Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu  	

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From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Car inspections..
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:36:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Jul30.160701.11219@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, jsparkes@bwdls138.bnr.ca (Jeff Spark writes...
> 
>I've always been amazed that inspections are done *only* when the car is
>sold.  Back in Newfoundland, you have to get annual inspections once your
>car is more than 5 years old.   I can't believe some of the rust buckets

Germany has similiar rules - they don't mess around there. Of course, they 
have higher taxes to cover "doing things the right way", health insurance, 
etc. Still, they seem to have a very high quality of life.

Mike



Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu
From: Chilero@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Chilero)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Recumbents
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:53:00 -0500

You had a post on this SIG a week ago...don't know what happened to it!
Anyway, you were requesting info on building recumbents, I think (right?). I'm
in the process of designing a frame on AutoCAD, and am also looking for ideas.
I'm trying to decide if I want the short w/b type, or the long, like a Tour Easy
or Rans. Maybe we can put our "hedz" together, and come up with something new!!
I don't remember where you are; I'm in the Houston,Tx. area. Leave me a message
on here, or call me at (713) 369-2408 after 5:30 central time.
Dave Hughes "El Chilero"
 
/s

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From: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu (Tim McBrayer)
Subject: Re: How do I mount a computer on fat fork MTB? 
Originator: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Keywords: MTB, ATB, computer, fork 
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:05:32 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.180259.2727@webo.dg.com>, dai@kevlar.rtp.dg.com (Dave Iwatsuki) writes:
|> Having gotten a good price on a Cateye ATC cyclocomputer, I now find I can't
|> mount the sensor on my front fork: it's a Trek DS2 shock, and just too fat.
|> Has anyone done this successfully? (I tried a Cateye reflector seatpost clamp, but
|> that was still too small, though it would work on a tapered shock fork; also,
|> getting the sensor close to the wheel magnet and at the correct angle may still
|> be a problem.)
|> 
Well, I can think of 2 ways.
1) use one of the plastic wire-ties in place of the screw.  You probably won't
be able to get this tight enough on a MTB to be reliable.

2) use glue or tape. You could cut the mounting bracket off the sensor and then
tape the sensor securely in place.  A friend of mine has done just this with
a Cateye Micro on a Cannondale road frame.  As for gluing, I've heard that
fishtank-repair glue works; it's clear, rubbery, and supposedly will peel off
without too much difficulty if necessary.

-- 
Tim McBrayer                                tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Computer Architecture Design Laboratory     (513) 556-0904
University of Cincinnati                    "Visualize Whirled Peas"
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From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:50:56 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu> writes:
> I went through this a couple of months ago and was able to shave almost
> 3lbs off my Hao Extreme.



      I'm reminded of the guy who was president of our cycling club 
   back several jobs and careers ago. He would lecture "ad nausea" on
   the various way to shave ounces here and there from a bike. ( By
   the way have you drilled the seat post, yet? ) Anyway, he ( the
   president ) was 5' 8" and weighed around 280 lbs. By my calculations
   he could lose 50 lbs and ride a Schwinn Black Phantom, and come
   out ahead.

                                          Arnie



  
-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@hplsdvt
Telnet 590-5642
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:34:42 GMT
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 2320@col.hp.com, rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes:
>Does _The_Bicycle_Wheel_ thoroughly cover wheel trueing?? (I'd guess
>this is a stupid question, since a newly built wheel will have to be
>trued?) I have no desire/need to build wheels, but I'd love to learn how
>to properly true my wheels.
Yes.

>Also, I have a cheap Cycle-Pro trueing stand (given to me by my
>father).  Will this be adequate?
Yes.  Something better will be more convenient, and a dishing tool
will be a good idea if you have to make drastic changes in truing,
but it will work.


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
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