From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: RABIN MEETING
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:31:04 GMT

In article <3650@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <BtnAz1.GCo.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>Martial law was lifted all over Kuwait.  
>
>But then the *real* doomsday occurred - expulsion of hundreds of
>thousands (hey, they did that to the Iranians too during the Iran-
>Iraq War) and executing Palestinian journalists on false charges.
>
>What other horrors shall we bring up in this regard?

Let's take account of the horrors you and many like you supported.
I'm still waiting for you to come to terms with supporting this
murderer:

  "A Jordanian girl aged about 20 was raped by five Iraqi soldiers.  
  She told me that they had abducted her when she left her building
  to go to the grocers.  They abducted her, raped her andthen threw 
  her onto the street.  She was later found by some Kuwaiti boys 
  who brought her to the hospital.  When I examined here I found
  her vagina swollen from extensive penetration.  She was also 
  scratched and bruised on her face, back and hands.  She was 
  hysterical.
  
  "[On 11 November] when I was in the casualties ward, the Iraqi 
  police brought me two girls.  The first was a 22-year old bidun
  and unmarried.  She told me that while they were sleeping in 
  their home at 6am, Iraqi soldiers came and gathered them in the
  upper floor.  They took her down to the ground floor, where an
  Iraqi soldier raped her anally several times.  When I examined
  her, I found an injury 4cm long from the anal opening to the
  vagina.  She needed five stitches.  I also noticed bruises and 
  injuries on her body due to resistance.  Then she told me that
  the Iraqis also brought her older sister and assaulted her.
  So I examined her sister, who was 26 years old and married.  I 
  found that she had been raped vaginally and anally.  She told
  me that they had raped her and then stole her family's money
  and gold.  I have heard of many cases of this kind, but they did
  not come to the hospital because of the shame."


  "My brother [19 yrs old] ...had been held in al-Jahra', but they did not
  release him.  He was held for 36 days and then, in mid-October, they
  brought him back to our house.  When we saw him he was still alive.  They
  threw him down on the doorstep and then shot him in the head with a gun
  fitted with a silencer.  He was handcuffed at the time.  We called an
  ambulance which took him to al-Amiri Hospital, but he was already dead.
  His feet were covered with blue bruises, and his body lined with marks
  caused by extensive beating.  There was a deep hole in his thigh which
  appeared to have been caused by some sort of drilling tool.  Electricity
  had been applied to parts of his body.  Late that afternoon we buried him
  in al-Rigga cemetery.  The Iraqis had earlier made it known that public
  mourning for the dead would not be permitted.  Nevertheless, people came to
  our house to offer their condolences."


  ".. One of the soldiers led us into the squash court, and we saw many
  Kuwaitis of different ages, ranging between 13 and 45.  Some of them had
  fainted from torture.  I sat next to a 13-year-old boy whose body looked
  blue.  I asked him, 'What have you confessed to?'  He said: 'My crime was
  to shout Allahu Akbar at every oppressor, and I was tortured with
  electricity for four days.  The skin on my back was peeling and I can only
  sleep while sitting.'  There was another young man who was unable to stand
  or hold anything because the skin on his hands and feet had split and
  peeled from being tortured with flames.  Worse than that, I saw one of the
  young men from the resistance whose finger and toenails had been extracted,
  and whose body was blue from [the application of] electricity.  He had
  become blind because they had used a kind of caustic substance to torture
  him.  He was barely alive, unaware of what was happening around him.  [Then
  he told me who he was and said], 'Take care of my parents because I am
  their only son and they have no one in the world except me'.  ..."


  "We were all still blindfolded and handcuffed, but as we 
  approached the district of al-Faiha' the soldiers removed
  Samir's blindfold so that he could direct them to his home.
  But when we arrived there, they told us all to get out of the
  car.  Muhammad and I asked why, because we didn't live there.
  They made us get out of the car anyway, blindfolded Samir again
  and made us stand at the doorstep of a house.  I realised at 
  that moment that we were going to be executed.  I remember
  it was just after dawn prayers.  The first shot was fired and
  I heard Samir fall to the ground.  Two bullets grazed my head
  but neither penetrated my skull.  I fell to the ground, and 
  when Muhammad was shot he fell down on top of me.  The soldiers
  then came up to us, took the blindfolds and handcuffs and went
  away.  They must have believed we were all dead.
  My head was bleeding profusely.  I crawled over to Samir and
  raised his head, trying to revive him.  I thought he had been 
  pretending, just like me.  Then I saw the bullet hole in his 
  head, and just at  that moment he died.  I couldn't believe
  what was happening.  I went over to Muhammad and found him
  dead too.  I managed to drag their bodies over to one side 
  and recited a short prayer for them.  Then I started walking.
  I didn't know where I was going, but I was afraid the soldiers
  would come back.  I was looking for someone to help me, but 
  it was dawn and the streets were empty.  I started feeling faint,
  so I went up to a house and knocked on the door.  No one answered,
  but the door was not locked and I went in.  As I was looking for 
  a telephone an old man and three women came out of one of the 
  rooms.  The man asked me what I wanted, so I told him what had
  just happened.  At first he didn't believe me.  I told him where 
  the two bodies were, and he went to look for himself.  When he
  came back he said I could stay with them."



>
>>I find it absolutely disgusting that you'd perpetuate a falsehood that
>>has been used to discriminate against Arabs for centuries.  No one I know
>>in Kuwait (or anywhere) maintains a "harem".  This is utterly ridiculous
>>and I'm shocked that someone who allegedly is familiar with the region 
>>like yourself would post such racist drivel.
>
>I think Sandra was not far from exaggerating - we know how many wives
>the Emir has and probably other high officials - she was just bringing
>up the sexist position of Kuwaitis towards women.  Perhaps her anger
>lead her to use the word 'haram' while not really intentionally meaning
>such.
>
>And you should know that Sandra is a Muslima, so you should be careful
>what you say in insinuating that she is lying to protect yourself.

I call it like a see it without regard to political or religious affiliate,
or gender.  Repeating racist drivel is just the same as that, racist drivel.

>
>>I would point out to our women readers that many of us Kuwaitis support
>>the right of women to vote.  Furthermore, I would point out that Kuwait
>>is one of the most liberal countries in the Arab world with respect to 
>>women's rights,
>
>Really?  Can you prove that?  What about suffrage?  That factor is
>usually what distinguishes equality than anything else.  What else
>can you say on women's rights in Kuwait verses other Arab countries
>despite this?
>
>You want a challenge.  You've got it.

I'll gladly answer this when you explain how you and the majority of
your people could've supported these vicious crimes against a people 
who have come to your aid in the past.  I've asked over 5 times now, 
and I haven't gotten an answer.

>
>Anisa
>

Anwar


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