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From: bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Alternative callable editors in MAIL? [source+question]
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:05:50 GMT
Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC

In article <1992Dec30.044645.11200@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>, hd@cnplss5.cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids) writes:
> 
> Following up on the creation of custom editor modules for MAIL,
> below you will find some code designed to attach to a subprocess
> that has been created earlier, presumably running EVE or GNU Emacs.
> [...]
> 
> Now a question: the comment in the C module says that MAIL is an installed
> module. In fact, it is not. Neither are the shareable images that MAIL will
> call. How then does MAIL get its privileges (SYSPRIV) to write into other
> peoples' mail files?

In standard VMS V5.x, MAIL is not installed with privileges.  It is
usually installed as /SHARABLE/OPEN/HEADER in order to speed up its
startup time, but even that probably isn't strictly necessary.  But
DECUS UUCP wants to install MAIL with SYSPRV;  this is to handle
foreign mail protocols (like UUCP%"mumble").  I suspect that this is
so that the foreign protocol module can write into the UUCP spool
directory -- maybe someone who's familiar with the UUCP internals
like Jamie can elaborate.  It's possible that that's what the comment
in the code is referring to, or that that `feature' of UUCP had
confused the author;  if an image is installed as /OPEN/HEADER/SHARE
(i.e., without any privileges), then it can run non-installed images
just fine.

In the current version of VMS, MAIL _doesn't_ write into other people's
mail files; that's handled by the MAIL_SERVER.  If you think about it,
this makes a certain amount of sense:  if you receive mail from another
node in a network, the server is a smaller image to start up than MAIL
itself.

But in previous versions of VMS (before V5.0), MAIL was installed
with SYSPRV because MAIL and its server were contained in the same
image.  It's possible that _that's_ what the comment in the code is
referring to.

Interesting program BTW.

Bruce C. Wright
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Question about RDO...
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <A4A5893E1FBF000753@EGFRCUVX>, SABRY@SHEBIN.EG 
(Sabry Kotob El-Ganzory) writes...
# 
# 
#Hello  everybody...........

	Helly Sabry............

#Please, I want ask you about these a messages appears to me when:-

	Please, I want to answer you about these a messages appears to you when

#$ rdo
#RDO>define database "sabry".
#Now, to you these the messages to me:-

	Now, to you these the messages to me.  Not the other way!

#%RDO-F-CDDERR, error occurred during CDD signin, CDD will not be used
#-CDD-F-NOMSG, Message number 002BED2C
#-LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product
# 
#Please,  Can I running RDO without CDD??? how???

	No.  Can't.

#I hope that  any help via e-mail...

	Yes, I hope that any help via e-mail... too!

#Thanks in advance for your assistance....

	You're welcome!

#E-mail:sabry@shebin.eg
#Sabry
#EGPYT

	Copy sent by mail...

[list of many 0-unit licenses that didn't include CDD deleted]
[where DID you get those licenses?]

#Many thanks.................
#Sabry

	Ehud

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From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Apending a file at the end of mail.
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Distribution: world,local
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <23DEC199208361368@spades.aces.com>, gavron@ACES.COM writes...
#In article <1992Dec23.063743.3368@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, 
#vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021) writes...
##  Is there a system service or Run-Time Library routine that returns the 
##  amount of blocks allocated to a file?
# 
#Yes.  Both.  I'm sure you just skipped it on your DOC CD-ROM,
#	HELP SYSTEM $GETDVI
#	HELP RTL LIB$ LIB$GETDVI
# 
#Big Hint: ALQ.

BZZT, I misread the request as a DEVICE thing instead of a FILE thing.
Actually he needs to $OPEN with XABALL and look at XAB.XAB$L_ALQ.  I've
forwarded an appropriate code fragment under separate cover.

##   Vance Haemmerle                              vance@vips.lpl.arizona.edu

Ehud

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From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: C pointer question
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:09:27 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	I am porting some C code to the VAX, and am having many problems.  One
	of them was fixed by DEC Support (after a lot of feeling around) by
	changing this:
	void foo(char a[])
	{
	bar(a);
	}

	to this:
	void foo(char a[])
	{
	bar(&a);
	}

There is NO difference between these two pieces of code.  In fact, the first
one has historically been illegal ("a" is not an lvalue) but has been widely
accepted as a synonymn for the latter.  I'm not absolutely certain, but I
think ANSI C actually sanctioned this common convenention.

	bar wants a char *, foo is passed a char *.  What am I doing wrong?
	What is VMS C doing to my previously working code?  Any suggestions?

Sure.  ASK AN INTELLIGENT QUESTION!  How in the world do you expect ANYONE to
answer so stupid and pointless a question as "what am I doing wrong?" when you
haven't described what you are DOING?

All I can conclude is that, if your programming ability is up to the level of
your ability to ask an intelligent question, it's not surprising that you are,
as you say, "having many problems."  There's probably not a line of code
anywhere in the system you are describing that makes sense.

To those net monitors out there who will claim that I shouldn't insult someone
for asking a question:  Feel free to do so, AFTER you've answered one tenth as
many questions - from beginners and otherwise - as I have.  It's one thing to
ask a beginner's question; it's another to say "My code [NOT shown] doesn't
work, what's wrong."  The latter is a total waste of EVERYONE'S time.

							-- Jerry
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: HELP!!! Security problem for gurus.
Date: 26 Dec 1992 06:19:05 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec23.194607.26032@ncsa.uiuc.edu>, jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue) writes:
=In article <1h9e1nINN1c9@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
=>In article <1992Dec22.161918.9033@ncsa.uiuc.edu>, jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue) writes:
=>>Now that's a creative way to do it.  Just hope MAIL doesn't decide to use
=>>that MAILbigfilename.MAI sometime - though it may check for this and handle
=>>it correctly, I've no idea how to test this.  (besides I'm sure that the
=>>possibility is quite small)
=>
=>Easy:  Just pick a date that's before NOW.  
=Hmm....
=MAIL$09A8BDA800050096.MAI doesn't like it has anything to do with a date.

Well, that's because you don't know anything about what you're talking about,
now isn't it?  The numerical part of the name consists of:

	The hexadecimal representation of the second and third words of the
	time the message was received;

	A four-character hexadecimal code identifying the sort of filename this
	is (the format changed between VMS v4 and VMS v5);

	The hexadecimal representation of the high order word of the time the
	message was received.

So the numerical part of the filename (09A8BDA800050096) refers to system time
009609A8BDA80000 or thereabouts (the low-order word of the system time isn't
used, so the granularity is to about a centisecond), which translates to:
14-SEP-1992 11:24:44.

=Gee... some of us have *real* jobs, some of which doesn't even apply to VMS.
=Actually, I know quite a bit of how VMS works, however little things like
=how MAIL determines what "bignumber" to use is of little value to me.

I see.  You just couldn't be troubled to pay attention this issue last came up
(a couple of weeks ago) and was discussed in detail?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: re: MAIL problem (NOT newmail count :)
Date: 1 Jan 93 12:14:12 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	A couple of people have explained about the lost MAIL.LIS files being
	created for print jobs from MAIL ... does anyone know a reason why
	lost MAIL.TXT files get created? We get large numbers of these on our
	system disk. They are almost always zero length and all the ones I can
	find at the moment are owned by the MAIL$SERVER account (which is used
	for incoming DECnet mail access).

Are these files in a directory, or are they also showing up as "lost" files?

Are you running any non-VMS-standard MAIL software, e.g., DECUS UUCP?  I've
seen this general kind of thing happen with DECUS UUCP in rare instances,
probably when the process running it died.  These SOUND like temporary files
being created for incoming mail; the network link (and/or the receiving
process) then die before any data is actually written to the file, but it
never gets deleted.

One thing I did notice in some of my similar (but not identical) situations
was that the creation dates on the files fell into a couple of fairly tight
groups, suggesting a temporary problem (e.g., disk was full and the program
did not recover gracefully).
							-- Jerry

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From: reinig@augie.enet.dec.com (August Reinig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Re: Help on "simple" EVE/TPU procedure
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:40:11 GMT
Reply-To: reinig@augie.enet.dec.com (August Reinig)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

> Why are you (apparently a DEC employee) posting an "untested" procedure?  

The procedure was simple enough that I was fairly confident that I got it right.
I didn't want to take to time to actually test it as I felt that I could not
afford to take that time away from what I should be doing.  So, I put in a 
disclaimer.  It's that or no response from me at all.

I was more worried about typos than in logic problems.

Not knowning fortran I didn't know about tabs.  Since Fortran considers a tab
to be just like any other character my comment obviously does not apply.

Now, when Brian McCarthy speaks here I expect him to test things.  TPU is his
job right now.  Me, I'm just another person on the net.


				August G. Reinig
				(exTPU developer)
From: curt.tucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Curt Tucker) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Osborne1 disk translation help
Date: 3 Jan 93 14:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: curt.tucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Curt Tucker) 


I'm trying to get some advice on how to translate some old SSSD
5.25" Osborne1 CPM disks to MS-DOS readable ones.

Does anyone know of an Osborne User Group or BBS?

There do exist some CPM conversion utilities (ala 22DISK) which
will run on a PC, but these will *not* convert the older (early
model Osborne1) SS floppies without some kind of surgery to the
PC floppy controller to allow it do deal with a single-sided disk.

We have an ancient copy of Crosstalk that actually runs on the
Osborne, but we can't get it to drive an external modem.  The
machine with this software did drive the modem a decade ago, but
we've completely forgotten how it was set up.  Maybe a bad serial port?

The disks to be converted are old WordStar document files which
have both personal and professional value.  The floppy drives on
this machine sound like they're grinding rocks, and it can't last
forever.

I'd appreciate any help or suggestions.  Thanks muchly.

--Curt--                          curt.tucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: How to use ZMODEM ?
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 10:23:38 GMT


 If you've properly defined a symbol to use 
 ie $ sz :== $disk[dir]sz.exe

 Then sz entered from the command line with no args should print a
 screen full of "usage" info.

 Hope this helps.
--

 Brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: oughton@chopin.udel.edu (Sean Oughton)
Subject: Re: LSE: Including eve features?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:29:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.060312.1@madre.dasd.honeywell.com> tas@madre.dasd.honeywell.com (Todd A Sorensen) writes:

>press the do key,
>type >define key/learn
>LSE will now ask you for the key to be defined, then the sequence.  To end the
>sequence (remember) press the key again.  I find this to a key with:
>DEFINE KEY /IF_STATE=GOLD F8 "DO ""DEFINE KEY/LEARN"" "/LEGEND="LEARN"

Great, Thanks Todd.
 
>> 2. Can I set nowrap and right margin = 72 (for example) for all buffers
>> (i.e. in the startup command file once ond for all)?
>
>Yes, I do that in my initialization file.

Hmm, I try lse$docommand( "set right 72") etc in my lse$command file
but it seems to have no effect.
Any chance you can post/email me the appropriate lines?
 
>> 3. Can I set the prompt buffer for LSE commnds (i.e., after hitting 
>> the DO key or typing ctrl-z) so that it is permamently in insert mode?

> I'm not sure I understand the question, but here's what happens:

OK, my qsn was too vague.  I understand the distinction between DO
and ctrl-z effects.  In either case I want to be be in insert mode,
rather than overwrite, at all times.  i.e. when I hit DO and type
a command (w/o hitting return), then realise I've made a mistake, I'd 
like to use the arrow keys and edit the command in INSERT mode.  This
can be done by typing ctrl-A, but I'd like the default to be insert,
so that I don't have to type ctrl-A every time I hit DO (I almost
always want to edit either the current command or use command line
 recall)  In EVE once you do a ctrl-A it stays in effect until you explicitly
change it again.
 

>Todd A Sorensen               Honeywell Defense Avionics Systems Division
>(505) 828-5611                internet: tas@dasd.honeywell.com
>                              fax: (505) 828-5500

Thanks again
        sean@bartol.bartol.udel.edu
From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Pagefile size and distribution guidelines desired
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:23:25 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Don Roberts, dsroberts@beckman.com, writes:

>What guidelines do others use for determining the proper size for pagefiles?

I always shoot for at least 50% free during peak times.

>  As we don't have a defragmentor the problem we've run into in
>the past is that if we make them too small we are not later able to make them
>contiguous until we can do an image backup and restore (almost never
>unfortunately).  

A defragger will not help you here - page files are always open, and thus
cannot be defragged.

>Currently we have two 100,000 block page files each for our
>6420 and 6520, and this is a tad small.  

"Small" can only be gauged by how much you're using, which is a function of 
your users' working sets, how much memory they're trying to use, and how much 
memory you have.  A 100,000 block page file could be a perfect size for a 
512Mb VAX model XX running 10-20 batch processes against a database.

I've heard the recommendation that deleting the EVL process, and re-creating 
it, can help reduce problems when you start seeing 'page file fragemented' 
messages on OPA0:.  This is because EVL purges its working set.  Haven't been 
able to try this, though....

>Does it do any good to put multiple page files for one system on one disk?  

One big page file is better than multiple small page files on the same disk.  
If the page files are actually spread across multiple disks, you can get some 
load balancing.

>If we have multiple page files per
>system on several disks, but those pagefiles are on the same disks as the
>pagefiles for other systems, isn't that just as bad?

Well, only if the (two?) systems need to read/write a page at the same time!
Usually, the most activity to your page files is when the modified pages get 
written -- adjusting your MPW parameters can reduce the impact of modified page 
writing.  But you're right -- if you put each system's page file(s) on separate 
disks you'll probably get better overall throughput.  The best bet would be to 
put the pagefiles on the quietest disks, no matter what else is on them; I 
wouldn't expect that all the nodes in your cluster would need to read/write 
pages at the same time.

Moving all your pagefiles off the system disk is beneficial, especially in a 
cluster, because the system disk usually gets hit pretty hard, and doesn't need 
the extra abuse caused by a pagefile on the same disk.

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Apending a file at the end of mail.
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Distribution: world,local
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec23.063743.3368@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, 
vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021) writes...
#  And to think... TPU becomes the default editor under VMS V6.0.
#  Oh the horror! ;-)

It is a horror.  Fortunately this naivete was not carried through
into the AXP operating system, where EDT is still the default editor!

#  Anyway, here's someone's question I couldn't answer after spending
#  lots of time with the DOC CD-ROM.

Read online help.

#  Is there a system service or Run-Time Library routine that returns the 
#  amount of blocks allocated to a file?

Yes.  Both.  I'm sure you just skipped it on your DOC CD-ROM,
	HELP SYSTEM $GETDVI
	HELP RTL LIB$ LIB$GETDVI

Big Hint: ALQ.

#I hope the answer doesn't involve reading the directory file format manulally

It doesn't involve reading the directory manually.
It involves reading the manual directly.

#   Vance Haemmerle                              vance@vips.lpl.arizona.edu

Ehud

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From: cctj001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: RE: EDIT on AXP (was: Re: Apending a file at the end...)
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
Distribution: world,local
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:59:50 CST

In article <23DEC199208361368@spades.aces.com>, gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546) writes:
> In article <1992Dec23.063743.3368@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, 
> vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021) writes...
> #  And to think... TPU becomes the default editor under VMS V6.0.
> #  Oh the horror! ;-)
> 
> It is a horror.  Fortunately this naivete was not carried through
> into the AXP operating system, where EDT is still the default editor!
> 
> 
> Ehud


In Open VMS 1.0 for Alpha AXP the default editor is EDIT/TPU.  I think
this has nearly always been the case, even under the FT releases.
Remember, EDT is (was?) translated.

--Thomas
From: anos@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Connection rejected by remote host: Solved
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:24:15 GMT
Organization: IKEA Northern Europe AB

In article <1992Dec22.114724.37@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se>, anos@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se writes:
> Broadcast to all network gurus ;
> 
> I have a problem with RT-terminals (or lack of them ;-) on a system that
> previosly was used via LAT, but not any more. Since we moved it away from
> our LAT network we can't create enough logins
> 
> 	%SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected
> 
  And it is solved, thanks to Bruce Hudson who pointed me in the correct
  direction. So remember, the SYSGEN parameter RJOBLIM has the [low]
  default value of 16 and thus prevented us from doing the 17th login
  via the net.

  /Anders

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Using MS-Windows env. with Pathworks
From: alistair@myrddn.mits.com.au
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:44:29 +1000
Distribution: world
Nntp-Posting-User: alistair

In article <1gsq7rINN8o6@taloa.unice.fr>,  fontanel@taloa.unice.fr
(Fontanel Laurent) writes:
 
> It seems that MS WinWord 2.0 Installer refuses to propose the
> 'Network' installation option when you want to install it on a disk
> service (is the disk service considered as a local disk ?) but it
> proposes the option if you try to install it on a file service... Am I
> missing a file or a special configuration on the Vax side ?

This happens because MS-DOS and W4W sees Disk Services as Floppy Disks
rather than network disks (try FORMAT x: where x is a disk service). 
We got around this by installing onto a file service, and XCOPYing the
files onto a disk service.

> Other thing I'd like to know : is it possible to specify to WinWord
> that you want to redirect sensitive files (like Win.ini & ...) on the
> local disk to allow users having a special configuration for their
> machine ?

When you perform a network installation, it copies all the files onto
the network device.  You then have to install each workstation
indivually.  Run setup/n to configure each workstation (and follow the
instructions in the manual for everything else).  Quite a bit of MS
Office network installation is documented in the relevant readme.txt
or network.txt files.


Thanks,

Alistair Grant

Internet:     alistair@mits.com.au
Alternate:    alistair%mits.com.au@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au