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From: Rex.Beard@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rex Beard)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Drug Re-Legalization
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:12:38 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/32

 LB> From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
 LB> tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> I say that this statement is B*******, the person who chooses to be a 
 LB> criminal
>> |> will remain that.  

No. THere aren't many people who choose to be criminals because they
*WANT* to be criminals. THey do so for many reasons.

>> Secondly, I disagree that people who choose to be criminals will 
>> always be that.  There are many casual drug users today who are 
>> technically "criminals," but would not be if the laws were changed.  
>> Heck, I'd probably be a casual marijuana user if I could be sure the
>> feds wouldn't take my house for trying to buy an ounce or two.
     
 LB> I don't have anything against the above mentioned people, 
 LB> perhaps the laws against using are too harsh, I just don't 
 LB> think increasing the availability is a good thing, and noone 

I don't think it is a good thing either. But the alternative is
worse. ANd of course what we are doing now isn't reducing
availability. It may increase it.

 LB> has yet given a good enough arguement to change my views.  I 
 LB> believe that legalization would merely help minors get access 
 LB> to the hard drugs.  I personally don't care one way or the 

Hmmmm. My neice visieted a month ago. It was great. Free babysitting for
2 weeks! She is 13 years old. She going into the 8th grade.

One night the coversation turned to drugs. I asked her,

"If you wanted to, could you get drugs, like marijuana or crack?"

She was quite. Then, "Well, yeah. I know a few people but I don't hang
around them and I wouldn't want to."

Me: "How long would it take?"

She: "I don't know. Not long. Right away."

Me: "Wow. So how about alcohol? If you wanted that could you get some?"

After thinking a bit she said, "I don't know. Maybe."

Me: "Do you know anyone who could get it for you?"

She: "Not really. Maybe my parents would."

The point is. Drugs are *already* availible to our kids. This was a 13
year old girl just out of the *7th* grade from a nice middle class town
in Texas!

 LB> other if pot were legal, I don't think of it as any worse than 
 LB> booze, maybe not as bad. I also think legalization would mean 

Agree there. There are pluses and minuses to both. BUt I think the equal
out in the end. Both aren't that good for you.

 LB> more people DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE. And, THAT is not a 
 LB> victimless crime.

I'ld agree here also. If we had room in our prisons we could lock those
folks up and throw away the key. Unfortunately half the jail space is take
up by people who commited victimless crimes.

-rex-
Enough is Enough! Vote Libertarian!


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From: Geoff.Baysinger@f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Geoff Baysinger)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Sex ed
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:56:12 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

Yes, I am all for a set up like that (re: afterschool sessions for parents and children).  The only problem I see is getting the parents there. The child would have to be able to attend without parents if they were unable / unwilling to attend.   
 
On second thought I might be more for it if it were during school, just to give the kids less of a chance of skipping, and making an after school alternative for those parents who can't make it during working hours.  Then again I'm getting a little bit farther along than this is likely to get for awhile.

As far as my parents upbringing having something to do with them not discussing the subject of sex with me, I strongly doubt it.  I think it was much more the fact that they are extremely introverted and did not know how to approach the subject.  As far as their beliefs on the subject (and most others) they are quite liberal.   I am sure there are others with similar problems.

Excuse me while I kill the TV ... (latenite Sundays are horrible!)



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From: Robert.Follis@f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Follis)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Perot is back....
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 18:31:34 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

Oh no I can't think that the un happenable has happened.....Pe'rot is back.
Does this mean we're in for another round of RAH....RAH ... Amway style Pep Meetings...............Does it????

Please tell me no. Lie to me. Tell me it ain't so.........

RWF

Let's get this nightmare over with.


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From: Rex.Beard@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rex Beard)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: re-legalize drugs?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:59:18 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/32

 LH> From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
     
 LH> In article <1992Sep26.203818.3302@b30.ingr.com>, 
 LH> pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald) writes:
>> "It is of more importance to the community that innocence should be
>> protected than it is that guilt should be punished, for guilt and crimes
>> are so frequent in the world that all of them cannot be punished, and many
>> times they happen in such a manner that it is not of much consequence to
>> the public whether they are punished or not.  But when innocence itself is
>> brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will
>> exclaim, 'It is immaterial to me whether I do well or ill, for virtue is no
>> security.'.  And if such sentiment as this should take place in the mind of
>> the subject there would be an end to all security whatsoever."
>>       - John Adams
     
AI just liked reading that so I left it in again.

>> Somehow, Larry has divine guidance that tells him when someone is guilty,
 LH>                      ^^^^^^
>> even before a trial.  Perhaps he has found his calling:
     
 LH> I think you have hit the problem squarely on the head - is Mr. 
 LH> Billings perhaps a fundie? His intolerance, blind faith in the 
 LH> goodness of authority, and desire to inflict his standards on 
 LH> everyone else are quite typical of such. 

PLEASE! Try to be civil. This is unwarranted and unsubstantiated.
A humorous jab is one thing. But jabs and inuendos made to achieve victory
in a debate are not productive in the long run.

(Not that Religious convictions are a liability. Just the way L. Hughes
phrased it seemed bad.)

I've enjoyed L. Billings contributions more than many of yours. Yet you
and I seem to share a heck of a lot more political beliefs than Billings and
myself.

In fact I think Billings is quite reasonable (Although wrong.)

There aren't many people who will listen to facts and then address them
or change their opinions because of them. Now sometimes Billings
infuriates me when he doesn't listen to *reason*. BUt he can be trainded :-)

-rex-

Watch CNN Headline News for the Marrou / Lord TV ads!
Soon there will be ads on Star Trek!


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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: brett@b8.b8.ingr.com (Brett Lawler)
Subject: Rock Radio
Keywords: Rock
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:21:44 GMT

92.5 fm Rock radio station out of the Decatur area is now online.
         

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: BUSH IS A NEO_NAZI! AND A LIAR
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 18:42:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.215948.27860@infonode.ingr.com>, tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:
> In article <1992Sep22.183304.11560@b8.b8.ingr.com>, larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:
> 
> The things I mentioned are generally referred to as "victimless 
> crimes."  The things you refer to are not.  It's no sweat off your 
> back if I drink a beer in my home.  It's no sweat off your back if I 
> use marijuana in my home.  It's no sweat off your back if I hold a 
> friendly roulette game in my home.  It's no sweat off your back if I
> call a service and have a woman over to my home and pay her for sex. 
> It's also no sweat off the government's back; heck, they could tax
> these activities and use the money to improve the schools, roads,
> whatever.  None of these activities violates your rights, or anyone
> else's rights.
>
> It's also no sweat off your back if I open a business which provides 
> any or all of these things.  If you do not wish to pay for the 
> products or services of such a business, that is fine.  But if others 
> do, they should be allowed to do so, since no one's rights are being 
> denied or violated.
 
Gosh, TJ, you're starting to sound like a Libertarian?  Are you sure 
YOU'RE not really Larry Hughes?  :-)

> |> If a law can be broken, it will be!!
> 
> If a law is wrong, it should be broken!  It's called "civil
> disobedience," and it was used quite effectively by civil rights
> activists.

This goes back a bit further than the 50's and 60's civil rights movement -
ever read Thoreau's "On the Duty of Civil Disobedience"? Or anything about
Ghandi's life? On the other hand, such actions only have effect against a
society that values rights and has a conciense (damn, where's that dictionary)
What do you think Hitler's or Krushev's response would have been to Ghandi?
In my opinion, our government no longer qualifies as one of the "good ones".
Individual rights, constitutional guarantees and property rights are no longer
respected, or even taken seriously. It's all downhill from here....

> -- 
> T.J. Higgins | tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com | Intergraph Mapping | Huntsville, AL
> "A Unix system will not understand you if you shout at it" -- Don Stokes

Larry "pleased to be identified with individual liberty and freedom" Hughes
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: tatumh@infonode.ingr.com (Harry W Tatum)
Subject: UFO
Keywords: comet
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:37:04 GMT


Hi,
   At about 8:10-8:20 last night I was outside.  This bright 
object slowly streaked across the sky.  It had all the property 
of a comet or meteor.  There was a bright tail that strung, it 
seemed, about ~600 yards.  
   Due to the fact that it traveled form west to east I thought
it may been one of NASA's mad (rocket)scientist toying with
madison Co.

   Anyone else see this?

 	 ...he's going to get you next......

Bruddah Hal
From: Geoff.Baysinger@f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Geoff Baysinger)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Sex ed
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 01:12:18 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

Well, I have not had any children yet (good thing as I am 21 and single), but I do have a point of view that invloves this topic:  Neither of my parents said word 1 to me about sex education. The only time they broached the subject was when they found a prescription for tetracycline in my room and they thought it might be for gonorrea <SP? .. nevermind, I don't want to know> ... it was for acne BTW.   All of my sex ed came from school, and what I got was woefully inadequate as far as a classroom point of v
iew until after I was sexually active (ie my first sex-ed class involving any kind of practical info was in my junior year of high school, 2 months after).  "Luckily" due to locker room talk and filling in the gaps during trips to library I had educated myself.

Point is that if I hadn't been overly curious I would have known zilch, and possibly gotten myself or someone else in severe "trouble".  My parents simply didn't know how to broach the subject.  They are 2 of the most intelligent people around, and if they couldn't do it with me (they came around before my sister got too old for it to be any good), then I am positive their are others who have the same problem.  LOTS of others.

Obviously my opinion is pro-sex ed. Starting early with general ideas (7th grade, birds and bees) and progressing through high school.  I am for teaching abstinence, but more is required.

P.S.  I have experience with children (have been a counselor for 2 years) and am going into Psychology, so I doubt that I'll have the same problem with my kids (though even the idea does make me nervous), but I still would want sex ed in schools.  If a parent doesn't want their child to hear it they should have the right to pull their child (or even better, attend with their child and discuss the pro's and con's of what is discussed), but I know of quite a few parents who greatly appreciate this aid.  Nuff
 said ...



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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: babycare in Decatur
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:10:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.180822.14396@infonode.ingr.com>, jim@dap.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks) writes:
>     TIME OUT
> 
>    sorry to interupt the ongoing Bush_Neo_Nazi_Liberatarain onslaught
>    but can anyone recommend a good non_sexual abusing day_care center

Sorry, all the "abusing day_care" centers I know of in this area specialize
in sexual abuse, rather than non-sexual abuse. But do you really want one that
will pound on your little nubbins with tire irons, after all? It's always so
hard to explain all those bruises to the in-laws, not to mention the police.
Which brings us to your second issue...

>    in the Decatur area..or if you know someone who keeps kids in their 
>    homes and whos parents weren't brother and sister...please drop me
>    a line....

Gee - and I always thought that Charles and Di would have made such great
babysitters (well, they may not technically be brother and sister, but they
are definitely from the same family). But at least they can spell "whose" :-)
And probably potato, as well!

>    Thanks
>  
>     OK time back in.......

Great - (deep breath) Libertarians believe that all taxation is theft....
mumble mumble...

> -- 
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From: Ken.Shipman@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ken Shipman)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Sex ed
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 10:39:07 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

I think that the parents ought to have, as a minimum, veto over what is 
taught their kids in this area.   Like you, my parents didnt tell me 
anything.  The kid next door told me the absolute basics, and a 
curiosity and a library card did the rest.  HOWEVER, I have three 
children , and we have open, frank and honest conversations on the 
subject.  It isnt a big deal if you just answer their first questions 
and give them an opening to follow up for details.  
 
\
Ken



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Newsgroups: hsv.general,ingr.general
From: drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude)
Subject: Re: AT&T Burgular Alarm System - Anybody get called yet ???
Keywords: Shields Technology, dinner time phone calls
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.020559.11321@infonode.ingr.com> wilson@infonode.ingr.com (Barry Wilson) writes:
>I received one of thos all to familar dinner time sales calls 
>last night.  This one was about the AT&T wireless burgular/fire/
>medical system.
>I have read about this type of system, and apparently it is quite
>good, especially if you are away from your home frequently...
>The question is, has anyone gotten this call yet ???

Yes I did.  About nine o'clock at night.  Quite an annoying time for a
telemarketing call,  I might add.  From the way the call started,  I
think they're using an auto-dialer and concentrating on all the Madison
exchange numbers right now.  

>They want to come out to my home and demonstrate their stuff.
>The company name is SHIELDS TECHNOLOGIES, and are located
>in one of those suites at 3322 S Memorial Parkway.  You know the ones.
>Their phone number is 880-1301, I think.

It may be the best alarm system in the world,  but their telemarketing
tactics stink.

>I will call the Better Business Bureau tomorrow to find our what is
>going on with these folks.....
>

Good idea!
============

- Ted Drude
From: Robert.Follis@f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Follis)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Scanner's
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:52:18 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

GARY,

I probably have what you need. Post what you want or leave your voice line and I'll be glad to give them to you.
Here are some:
Huntsville Police North - 155.250
Huntsville Police South - 154.815
Huntsville Police (records & dectives) -155.415
Madison County Sherriff's Dept. - 154.875
911 - 154.385  
HEMSI - 462.975 (Main)
HEMSI - 463.150 (Channel 2)
HEMSI/Hospitals - 155.340
Huntsville Fire Dept - 154.415

These should get you going.

rwf



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From: Geoff.Baysinger@f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Geoff Baysinger)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: clinton's draft record
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 01:29:06 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

(BOY I am making alot of responses tonight)

RE: Clinton's draft record and treatment of Clinton and Quayle

Well, no matter how many people say it should be a non-issue the fact remains that Clinton's draft record is the biggest single thorn in his side right now.  I wholeheartedly disagree with that disqualifying him as Commander in Chief, but I don't wish to get into that.  However 3 nights ago I saw Quayle jabbing at Clinton's draft record.  Little mention has been given during this campaign to the SAME SUBJECT where it pertains to Quayle (i.e. draft record).  If I remember right, and I may or may not, Quayle
 had some major problems last election because he "dodged" the draft.  If they're going to stick it to one, stick it to 'em both.  Besides, I have major problems with the man who may have to take over for Bush getting so personal about a freakin' TV character.  That was ultimately ridiculous. Especially the depths to which it went.  Bush even got in on some of that action.  Kinda scary. Alot scarier to me than having a man in the Presidency who hesitates to send the military somehwere they did not belong. 
  The only thing that bothers me at all about Clinton is that he seems to be too concerned with his image and less about honesty. I can't say this is a new quality in any president (including Bush... I don;t believe 1 iota his statements about non-involvement in the Arms for Hostages mess.)



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From: Dee.Gardner@p0.f16.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dee Gardner)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: New Rock-n-Roll Radio Station
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 19:42:47 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/16.0 - The D.L.D. BBS, Huntsville AL

 >
 > What about WKDF (103.3 in Nashville, 98.1 in northwest
 > Madison county)?
WKDF is wonderful (almost) except that it tends to fade out regularly on us in  our daily travels.  Their new translator is slated for late Dec. according to the station with luck.
 
D 


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From: Michael.Konor@p0.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Konor)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Condoms = Russian Roulet
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:12:24 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/8.0 - The Alabama Inferno, Huntsville AL

GB> I would be VERY interested in knowing the source of your comments
GB> (latex condoms having pores AND being larger than the HIV virus).

I'd like to hear it too.  Probably heard it from a friend, who heard it
from a friend, who heard it from....


*FSED91j*

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From: Rex.Beard@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rex Beard)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Definition
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 20:14:34 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/32

 JF> From: florence@infonode.ingr.com (John Florence)
     

Geeze you people are getting hostile.

>>           Conservative........Someone that when confronted with a drowning
>>                             person throws them a rope half the distance
>>                             needed and tells them to "swim for it".
>>       
>>         Liberal.............Someone that when confronted with a drowning
>>                             person throws them a rope much too long for
>>                             the job (both ends!) and walks away.........
>> 
 JF>         Summary says it !!
 JF>         
 JF>         Libertarian.........Someone that when confronted with a 
 JF>  drowning >                           person just walks away 
 JF>  saying "Oh well, it is obviously their choice to drown or they 
 JF>  wouldn't be in the water."

Funny, but not true.

Perhaps more applicable;

         Conservative........Someone that when confronted with a drowning
                             person Says, "They shouldn't have been
							 breaking the law. Lets hire a
							 cop and put a machine gun nest here
							 to stop people from swiming here. Lets
							 create a government agency to handle it."
       
         Liberal.............Someone that when confronted with a drowning
                             person creates a government agency and
							 hires a hundred civil servants to throw
							 ropes. And builds the "Rope Throwers
							 Agency" complex in the desert.
 
         Libertarian.........Someone that when confronted with a drowning
							 person, throws them a rope and calls for
							 help. Because s/he knows that the government
							 isn't going to solve the worlds problems.

Now, perhaps you would be more on track if you saw the *same* person
drowning in the *same* lake a hundred times.

Conservative: Says, "Hey! You can do that!" Rescues the drowner and then
              shoots them for breaking the law.

Liberal: Builds another "Rope Throwers Agency", in the inner city this time.

Libertarian: Says, "Screw you. I'm going out for pizza. Anbody else want
             to come?"

-rex-

Enough is Enough! Vote Libertarian!


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From: John.Blumer@p0.f16.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: America 2000 school plan
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 06:54:18 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/16.0 - The D.L.D. BBS, Huntsville AL

 > OK everyone vote!
 > Here and now...
 > Would you rather A) Have year round schooling to aleviate
 > the
 > overcrowding problem...
 > B) Have shift schooling
 > C) Have the tax voucher system and year round schooling;
 > D) Have the tax voucher system and shift schooling.
 >    Everyone please vote.
 > Leah
 >
 >
I vote for C. Just one question, do you think that you can get the rest of Madison county to go along with any of these ideas? Is it up to the county, do we have to get state permission to change?
Oops, I guess that was two questions.
 



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