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From: keves@meaddata.com (Brian Keves)
Subject: Sybase (DBA & Developer) needed in Washington DC Long Term Contract
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton Ohio
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:02:24 GMT

A recruiter is looking for strong Sybase people for long term contracts
in the Washington DC area. These are for people with experience in a
SUN/Unix environment. This is an immediate need and they are really looking!

Positions:	Sybase Database Administrator
		Sybase Application Developer

If you are interested please send me your name and phone number and
I will arrange to have a recruiter call you ASAP.

Thanks,

Brian Keves
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From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: 1706 Repeal Debated
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Aug13.085419.8297@weyrich.UUCP> (misc.jobs.contract), orville%weyrich@tnet.com (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:
> In article <183010@pyramid.pyramid.com> jmuth@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (John Muth) writes:
> >
> >If you are willing to hire yourself out on a per-job (ie. fixed bid) basis,
> >1706 is irrelevent. If you market yourself and find your own clients
> >1706 is not very relevent. 1706 only screws you if you work by the
> >hour through a broker.
> >
> 
> Tell that to the clients -- they aren't taking any chances. Fear of the
> IRS is much more powerful in this country than fear of the devil; the
> company lawyers would rather be "safe" than try to argue with the IRS
> when the all the cards in the deck are stacked in favor of the IRS.
> 
> Screwed is screwed. Period.

Maybe it's different in different parts of the country, but I've been
able to contract with a variety of companies here in Silicon Valley.
So far no one has given me any trouble for working as a 1099 contractor.

Maybe I'm just lucky...

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From: rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Medical deductions under 125C
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:03:02 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <1992Aug12.022030.29559@redbrick.com> jfr@redbrick.com (Jon Rosen) writes:
> 
>  First of all, I fail to see how this would "prevent" you from having
>  your wife go back to work.  Whatever she made, it would presumably be
>  much more than the cost of child care, even after taxes, and you would
>  still be eligible for the (albeit smaller) child care credit on the
>  2443 (or whatever) regular form.  So while you might spend a few more
>  bucks on taxes than you would with a 125c, I doubt it would make enough
>  of a difference in your or your wife's employment plans.
> 

That's precisely why I was interested: my wife works at a bank. Banks are
notorious for low-pay. Day care, particularly for infants, is expensive. Like
$1K/month for the commercial operators (yes, yes, I know about people who do
it in their homes
cheaper, but that, for reasons I won't go into, isn't an option). We have 2
children who would need the day-care, and my wife would earn around $25K. Take
out the $12K for day-care, then taxes, then add in the measly child-care
credit (measly because of my income), and she would in effect be *paying* to
go
back to work.

With the 125C however, you get a big-difference: I can allocate all my
cafeteria
plan to day-care, and my wife carries the health insurance from her job
benefits. The differences are substantial.

>  On the sheer matter of principle, however, you might consider (if you
>  are game) going ahead with a plan and letting the IRS shoot it down
>  and then challenging them in court.  Maybe you'd win.  Maybe not.

Don't know if I want to spend the bucks, tax lawyers are $250/hour and up.
Would that be worth it?

Bob McIlree
rmac@well.sf.ca.us
From: root@sickbay.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Recruiters, brokers, piranas... and The Blethen Group   :-)
Keywords: "I am not a crook !" Richard Nixon
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:22:35 GMT
Followup-To: recruites brokers and pirahnas.
Organization: ttmar Ltd., Austin

>Alan Magid
>Dir of marketing at Blethen Group 
>writes.
>Two Points
>1) All for profit enteprises require that the work product of it's employees
> cost less than it's market value....
 < some stuff was deleted >
 Thank you for educating me in the mysterious ways of free market capitalism !
 Most of what you were refering in the business world are the wholesellers
 and retailers. i.e. a business buys from the wholesellers and sells retail.
 hence sometimes makes profit. In the software labour market you pay less to
 your employee than his services are worth (or you tend to think so.. :-) )
 The problem is this, if I were to do this I can bloody well find a REAL job,
 with a REAL company. The whole point of contracting is to make a lot of money
 to be compensated for the RISK I am taking, not to mention the pain and
 hostility that sometimes comes along. Hence, when I am contracting I am
 a retailer and NOT A BLOODY WHOLESELLER ! 
>2)
> Most of the consultants who wok at the Blethen Group are full time employee.
> with benefits... 
 < some stuff was deleted >
 You did not mention guaranteed employment and contractual pay at the "bench"
 for as long as ot takes...Anyways, when a company hires a programmer and
 DEVELOPS a product that sells well and makes a profit on the labour of its
 employee, it is good business, bacause the company WILL take some risk !!
 When a pirana, oh I am sorry a contract firm, hires a person and farms him
 out at a 80-100 % profit and the pirana's risk is ZERO. Thats NOT GOOD
 BUSINESS, that's modern day slavery. 
 Have a nice day !
 AMN
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: jfr@redbrick.com (Jon Rosen)
Subject: Re: Medical deductions under 125C
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.044415.22979@algor2.algorists.com> jeffrey@algor2.algorists.com (Jeffrey Kegler) writes:
>In article <BstpIq.3Hp@well.sf.ca.us> rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree) writes:
>>
>[munched issues relating to 125c plans]
>I would be surprised if anyone reading this group could benefit from a
>125C plan.
>
>[munch]
>Initially, the agency had insisted that I have 30% of my compensation
>deducted until the ruling came.  Actually, initially, they said
>nothing, and then when we had settled all details and I was all ready
>to go, they asked me to their office, gave me a piece of paper
>authorizing the 30% deduction, and said sign or no gig.  I didn't
>sign, and refused to make a second trip to their office, so they wound
>up bringing the papers to me some days later, minus the 30% deduction,
>but still with the requirement to apply to the IRS for a ruling.  Of
>course, since the ruling never came, I assume the agency would be
>holding my 30% to this day.
>

  I sympathize with your story and agree that the IRS can be a 
  total pain in the @ss to deal with.  The only point I want to
  make is that your last sentence is misleading.  The IRS would
  NOT be "holding" your 30% to this day (that is, unless you
  don't file your tax returns ever).  The whole issue of withholding
  is solely designed to put people in the position of "now WE have
  your money so file your return if you want to get back your fair
  share".  The only loss you would experience if you consented to
  the withholding is the interest loss (and possible investment
  loss) caused by inability to use your money until you had to pay
  it by quarterly or annual returns.  Assuming you honestly and
  regularly file your tax returns, you are already filing appropriate
  quarterlies and so this loss would appear to be minimal.  Let's
  assume an annual gross income of $100,000 ($25,000 per quarter).
  This means you effectively lose the use of $7,500 for each quarter
  (you would presumably have to send this in with your quarterlies).
  At a MAXIMUM return of 10% (and if you know how to do this guaranteed
  for a whole year, please tell me :-) your total annual loss is $750
  less the taxes you would owe on the $750 so it is really only about
  $500 (see, the IRS is SAVING you taxes :-0) And if the $25K per Q
  is earned equally over the quarter, your losses are even less.

  Like you, I hate withholding.  If everyone filed their returns
  honestly and fairly (as I am sure all of YOU do :-), then I am
  not convinced we would even have withholding.  The reason the
  IRS took action in these situations was the abuses by a larger
  percentage of a particular worker population (in this case, software
  consultants) than was reasonable, in their opinion.  We may not like
  it but I figure the best thing to do is live with it.

  Jon Rosen
  

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Incorporated consultants survey - 34% flat tax
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:23:18 GMT

In article <Bt76At.1Dp@well.sf.ca.us>, rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.164307.5499@meaddata.com> keves@meaddata.com (Brian Keves) writes:
> >
> >I have been told that the IRS is cracking down on one person corporations.
> 
> From what I gather, the IRS is cracking down on 1-person corps. who misstate
> or misrepresent income, and those who really should be classified as
> employees of the client.

     I wonder if this isn't exaggerated or completely false information
promoted by headhunters and companies trying to coerce their consultants
into accepting employee status.

     I know of at least one company which has used this rationale to
successfully convert some of their consultants into employees.  However,
some of their consultants have remained consultants even after refusing
to switch.  Furthermore, some of the former-consultant employees and
regular employees have later become consultants for said company.

> Folks, the bottom line one more time: if you are seriously going to fly
> solo, either as a sole proprietor or corporation, GET A CPA AND/OR A LAWYER
> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You *cannot* rely on the net for explicit advice. If
> anything, it could cost you time and a lot of money. Get professional help
> here - its well worth the cost!

     Yes, hearing the same advice from a disinterested accountant or
lawyer (well, more disinterested than a headhunter for client firm),
would go alot further to convince me.

							George

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2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England)
Subject: Unix/Motif Software Contractors (Southeast USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:08:00 GMT
Organization: Stephen Software Systems Inc., Tacoma/Seattle, +1 800 829 1684
X-Bytes: 1027

 Stephen Software Systems Inc, has two possitions available
 for Motif/Unix/X11 software developers.

 Minimum of 4 yrs C programming experience, strong technical 
 capabilities and excellent communication and software 
 design skills.

 Work will be performed in SE USA.

 Please send your resume with detailed qualifications;
 (your hourly rates or salary requirements and your experience to):


  Stephen Software Systems, Inc.
  PO Box 7462
  Tacoma, Washington  98407-0462

  Phone:  206 272-7959
  Fax:    206 272-7923
  E-Mail: resumes@stephsf.com

 (Please do not E-mail Postscript or nroff formated Resumes, Thanks. 
  E-Mail Ascii Resumes are OK and actually get preferential treatment 
  however. )
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.misc
From: jeffl@snafu.seada.com (Jeffrey F. Lawhorn)
Subject: Job Shops
Reply-To: jeffl@seada.com
Organization: Software Engineering and Design Associates
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:01:16 GMT


Hello to all the misc.jobs people,

I have a question (or two) and I'm hoping someone out there will be
kind enough to listen and lend their advice.

I'm considering going to work for a job shop.  Never having worked
for one in the past, I was wondering what are the normal
rates/benifits one gets while working at such a place.  Also, what
are some of the pros and cons of working for a job shop?

Thanks for any and all info sent my way,
jeffl


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or as small as possible and still get the job done?

Jeff Lawhorn
jeffl@seada.com
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or as small as possible and still get the job done?

Jeff Lawhorn
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Subject: Sysadm/Network Adm Contract Avail
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:01:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: sysadm network manager contract job taos


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Taos Mountain Software, a Mountain View, CA based Unix  Contract-
ing and Training company, has several Unix contract openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional  Reimbursement,  business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from  one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

   When replying, please indicate req number and job title.
              Please send only flat ascii resumes.

USMail:         Jerry Bowes
                Taos Mountain Software
                415 Clyde Ave., Suite 105
                Mountain View, CA  94043

voice:          (415) 961-2100
fax:            (415) 961-6668
email:          tms@netcom.com

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


                     === Req number 184 ===

Job Title: Systems & Network Manager

Number of Openings:  1

Likely Duration: 3-6+ months

Job Description:

Administer Sun systems and network in a Medium-sized work environment
which includes NCD X terminals. Working with a small team of support
staff in a software development environment. Previous experience managing
Internet feed required.  Some C and shell programming for maintenance.
Work with C News.

Candidate Qualifications:
        Senior System Administrator with over 4 years experience
        BS/MS or equiv + 2 years industry experience MINIMUM
        Previous Sun System Admin required
        Working knowledge of Eterhnet hardware and software required
        Working knowledge of file servers and cabling technologies required
        Intimate knowledge of networking software, NFS, TCP/IP required
        Networking experience required
        Software development database and applications experience a plus
        Knowledge of Ingres a plus

	=== End of Taos Contract Posting ===
From: nisus@netcom.com (Nisus Tech. Bruce Mori)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Rates for C/UNIX Driver/XWindow contracts
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:41:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


It is that time of the year again and I am trying to renegotiate my contract.
I need some general info of the contract rates, in order to justify my
rates ( 25 cents above minimum wage :)!

Has there been any contract salary survey recently? or, do you know 
what are the resonable rates on the industry?

Thanx,
Shapour

(p.s., I have more than 10 yrs experience in UNIX Drivers, XWindow,  and
have a M.S. EECS  degree )
From: dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: firm requests comments
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:01:04 GMT

>If 1099 is for individuals, how are a clients' payments to a corporation reported
>to the IRS?  I guess what I'm saying is-- who cares if the statement is wrong?
>Enlighten us as to how it really works.

as I understand it (as it has been explained to me) issuing a 1099 is optional.
it appears, however, that the IRS tends to... aggressively encourage that 1099
issuance occur in relationships between companines engaging in computer 
consulting related activites.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Subject: NorCal Sysadm Contract Avail
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:55:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: sysadm taos contract job



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Taos Mountain Software, a Mountain View, CA based Unix  Contract-
ing and Training company, has several Unix contract openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional  Reimbursement,  business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from  one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

   When replying, please indicate req number and job title.
              Please send only flat ascii resumes.

USMail:         Jerry Bowes
                Taos Mountain Software
                415 Clyde Ave., Suite 105
                Mountain View, CA  94043

voice:          (415) 961-2100
fax:            (415) 961-6668
email:          tms@netcom.com

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


                     === Req number 181 ===

Job Title:  Unix System Adminstrator

Number of Openings: 2

Likely Duration: 6 months

Job Description: Perform Unix systems and network administration
        in a Solaris 1 and 2 environment.

Candidate Qualifications:
        1-3 years relevant experience
        "Team Player" attitude a must
        knowledge of SunOS and Solaris 2 a huge plus
        shell scripting (bourne) a big plus
        BSCS a big plus

           == End of Taos Mountain Software Posting ==

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: sandy@godzilla.quotron.com (Sanford Zelkovitz)
Subject: Sys Admin Needed in S. Cal
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:34:30 GMT



Braintec Corporation, a software engineering firm,
needs a senior system administrator for SUN
systems. He/she must have experience in large
SUN networks with over 100 workstations.

Excellent rates for a long term contract or
a perminent position is available.

Contact Dr. David Saad at:  714-833-8877 Ext 3001
or FAX redsume to:          714-833-8878

You can mail your resume to:
Braintec Corporation
10 Corporate Park    Suite 110
Irvine, Ca    92714

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From: schick@ima.com (Debra Schick)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered
Subject: Database Engineer, S.F. Bay Area contract [Recruiter]
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:29:10 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.contract
Organization: Baldwin Forrester & Co., Atherton, California

Baldwin Forrester and Company currently has a need for 4-8 people to work
a long term contract for one of our clients.  The location is in the S.F.
Bay Area.  Qualifications are Oracle 5.0 or 6.0 (or other RDBMS), 'C',
UNIX SVR4 internals plus one or more platforms.  Candidates need 3-5 years 
experience and also they need to have porting experience.  If you are
qualified, please call Debra Schick at (415) 368-2929 or fax your resume to
(415) 780-9292. a

*Please do not respond if you do not have the necessary qualifications, only
candidates that have the skills requested will be contacted.

Thank you. 


and also experience with porting (very important).
From: gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu (G. Wayne Nichols)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: 1706 Repeal Debated
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:03:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Actually, my conversations with Kodak's purchasing department
indicated their main concern was to keep the total number of vendors
down that they have to deal with. In other words, if the service is
available from a current vendor, they aren't very interested in adding
another source.

I've done work for another major company in Rochester, and the question
of tax liability never came up.

Of course, it helps to present yourself as a company, not an individual.

(Just my experience).
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: firm requests comments
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:06:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <2633@tivoli.UUCP> dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor) writes:
>|> Enquireing minds, of course, wonder why you are excepting 1099's if you are
>|> incorporated?  The 1099 exists solely for individuals, sole proprietors, and
>|> partnerships.  Corporations have no such requirement.
>
>I work for my own Corporation. the Prime Contractors I work with that will
>establish a relationship report payments to my Corporation on a 1099 form...
>it sounds as if your Corporation's revenue stream is reported in a different
>manner... if your Corporation doesn't receive 1099s what form(s) does your
>Corporation receive?

If you are incorporated you don't need the 1099's. You essentially can get
paid on a 1099 basis but it is not required
	
	- to be given to your corp by the paying company
	- to be given to the IRS along with your corporate return

It is true (as mentioned in the first paragraph above) some entities are
required to furnish the 1099. Not so with corporations.

As example, I work on a contract via a contract house (yeah! they take a share
for doing diddly). That contract house pays my corp on a 1099 basis. This
means my corp has to pay the taxes. They don't give me a 1099 at the end of
the year (not required). I don't send 1099`s with my corp returns (not required).


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