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From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Subject: Re: What is the porblem ?
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:16:57 GMT

In <C1BKnI.7p9@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umrufiad@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rifa Rufiadi) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.145903.46603@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>Mr Bill Alves writes:
>>
>>>>I think you are
>>>>not familiar with the situation in Indonesia regarding religion aside from 
>>>>the fact that 80% of Indonesia is technically Muslim.
>>
>>>I think the poster was familiar with this fact, which is why he thought that
>>>this would be an appropriate newsgroup.
>>
>>On contrary, I think he is not. That is why he posted to A.C.I. The only thing
>>that I think motivated him to post his writing here is his stereotyping of all
>>Indonesians are Moslems and (Indonesian) Moslems have small tolerance on (In-
>>donesian) Non-Moslems.
>>
>I think he (Ahmed) was only replaying the first poster (Izaj ?). Since the
>first one came to this net, so he replayed to this net too. That is
>normal. For me, an Indonesian muslim, his replay was useful since I got
>headache from the first poster (headache maker ?).
>It will be clear if Ahmed himself explain about it, but I don't thing he
>will do that because ... kapok ?

In fact I did explain in my initial posting " What is the problem " and
I have just explained again. The problem is not in explaining, it is in
understanding, and perhaps because ... kapok ?  What is kapok by the
way? ha ha.

> .........
>>HSIAHAAN

>Rifa

Peace to you.

Ahmed
-- 
Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
Tel: office: +353-1-7021524,  Home: +353-1-937402.
From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: No Subject
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:38:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


>(I remember one of my friend is always  
>upset if we mention why his last name   
>is Gross -- not gross words, but that's
>the name "Gross").

tell him that his last name was originated from German word.
it means "big".
From: tedjakus3675@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: alt.KHO.PING.HOO ????
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:58:51 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan23.140118.16111@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, aries@dutetvc.tudelft.nl (Aries Hackerman) writes:
>  
> From article <1jpqdgINNqee@tamsun.tamu.edu>, by utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama):> In article <1993Jan22.200214.8054@cs.cornell.edu> donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donal$
>>>
>>>By the way, what is the title?
>>
>> These are what I have with me now:
>> 
>> -Kisah memanah burung rajawali ( Sia Tiauw Eng Hiong )- ejaan lama ( < '65)
>> -Kisah pendekar dan rajawali sakti ( Sin Tiauw Hiap Lu ) - ejaan lama
>> -Pedang ular emas ( Kim Tjoa Kiam ) -ejaan lama
>> -Kisah membunuh naga (Ie thian To liong ) -ejaan lama
>>   semua karya Ching Yung
>> -kisah para pendekar negri Taili (Thian Liong Pat poh) saduran Gan KL
>> -Makam bunga mawar - saduran OPA (Oh Peng An)
>> -Darah Pendekar - Kho Ping Ho
>> 
>>>  
> 
>     Daripada susah-susah pinjam saja VIDEONYA ........
>     tinggal nongkrong, makan chips dan ENJOYYYYYYYYYYYY....
>    
>     atau saatnya untuk alt.KHO.PING.HOO ????
>  
>     Aries
> 
    alt.Kho Ping.Ho? Bagaimana kalau anda" sekalian yang punya cerita"
    Kho Ping Ho nge-post sekali" di ACI. Saya yakin banyak tidak keberatan
    baca Kho Ping Ho sekali" di ACI.
    Sekalian mempromosikan ACI untuk orang" Indonesia yang mungkin belum
    pernah atau tidak tahu tentang ACI.
    What do you think guys?
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rsd@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Rajiv Dighe)
Subject: SAWNET SNEAKERS
Summary: Personally I prefer Reeboks
Keywords: SNEAK POSTS, SAMOSA, FEMINAZIS 
Organization: C&C Research Labs, NEC USA, Princeton, N.J.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:37:59 GMT


In light of the continued interest in SAWNET's activities
from members of sci and the onslaught of sneaky posts
and the resulting huffing, puffing and indignant denials
from the SAWNET board, I would like to propose the formation
of a new mailing list called:

	South Asian Men Ogling SAWNET's Activities

also known as  SAMOSA..

Our Slogan will be "SAMOSA: WE LOVE TO BE FRIED"

Our charter will be to Create Hurtful Utterly Trashy News Items Enraging
SAWNET a.k.a  CHUTNIES...

For after all what is a SAMOSA without CHUTNIE ?

Our Anthem:
		Variety being the spice of life
		And Spice is the plural of wife
		So let us go and enrage the patnies
		go forth and make some CHUTNIES
		For who cares about Spinoza or Formosa
		All we want is our SAMOSA

STATUTORY WARNING: Recipes for CHUTNIES and secret SAMOSA information
will not be distributed to the general public esp. members of SAWNET.
If we see "SNEAKY POSTS FROM SAMOSA" on the public net,
the punishment to the mole (mole SAMOSA ? No, thanks, I already ate..)
will be swift and may result in immediate dismemberment and
their source license will be revoked. 

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Loyalty to Who (was Dissension...)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:42:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.211623.18146@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I'd just like to point out that despite the word 'indian' in the
>header of this newsgroup, there are many other asians reading this
>group.
>
>I'm Sri Lankan by heritage, and would assume that there are a fair
>number of Pakistanis reading, who would rightly be insulted by the
>derogatory references to them in previous posts in this thread.
>


Stop apologizing all the time! I think everyone knows that is group for
people from or with decendants from the subcontinent.

Not everything in life is nice, pretty and pleasant. 


Rakesh "I'm with Dinesh D'Souza" Patel
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: pras0005@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Democrats are Indian, Republicans are Pakistani :-)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:07:05 GMT

In article <C1FED8.HtI@rice.edu> vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai) writes:
>In article <C1F68o.DA9@news2.cis.umn.edu>, pras0005@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>|> >If those are the people you'd support then so be it. I prefer the
>|> >party of people like Bill Clinton <who spoke to several Indian
>|> >and Asian Democratic Organizations in his race>, NC Governor
>|> >Jim Hunt <who has been meeting with Indian groups over several decades>,
>|> 
>|> So what about the Indian fundraiser for the GOP?  Bush MUST have spoken to him.
>
>Thank you! I couldn't have said it better myself!!! Thank you
>for bashing the Republicans for me with your own
>argument... If you are Indian and want to hear from the GOP,

Not really, you were saying essentially that Republicans were inaccessable to
Indian constituents.  If that south Florida surgeon could meet with Bush, it
says that Republicans ARE accessable to Indians.  As far as buying influence,
that's a lot less racist than gaining influence by the color of your skin :-)

>you've gotta be a rich surgeon and donate $100,000 !!!
>
>Hunt met with Indian grad students at NCSU and UNC while they
>were still poor students, many of whom couldn't vote, and none
>of whom formed a definite political voting block.
>
Just goes to show what a strange political maneuver that was.  Democrats have
a tendency, IMO, to show their liberalism by making distinct efforts to include
minorities.  Using minorities ifor political gain in that way is quite racist.
>-- vp 




-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shiv A. Prasad			"In my opinion, we don't devote nearly
pras0005@student.tc.umn.edu 	 enough scientific research to finding 
				 a cure for jerks."
								Calvin
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Headed up to Boston
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:18:18 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

I'm heading up to Boston next week (Jan. 25-27th), specifically
Cambridge. If anyone wants to get together, and maybe gimme a
little tour, let me know.

Thanks,
Ron
hira@cme.nist.gov
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.indian
From: vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai)
Subject: Re: Democrats are Indian, Republicans are Pakistani :-)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:40:43 GMT

In article <C1Fpnw.3Dz@news2.cis.umn.edu>, pras0005@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
|> In article <C1FED8.HtI@rice.edu> vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai) writes:
|> >
|> >Hunt met with Indian grad students at NCSU and UNC while they
|> >were still poor students, many of whom couldn't vote, and none
|> >of whom formed a definite political voting block.
|> >
|> Just goes to show what a strange political maneuver that was.  Democrats have

While it may have been politically of little significance, it
was probably meaningful economically. After all, most Southern
states are constantly trying to upgrade their images. They're
sick of being considered agricultural and backward and would
rather be known as progressive, urban centers of technology.
The best way to achieve this is to get an influx of young
scientists and engineers ... where else would you go but
to local students, citizen or foreign?

|> a tendency, IMO, to show their liberalism by making distinct efforts to include
|> minorities.  Using minorities ifor political gain in that way is quite racist.

As a side note, I believe this thread started by someone saying
that we need to have pride in our culture, recognize our
cultural and social identity. I couldn't agree more. This is
something we need to do, and it most certainly is not racist.
Why, then, is it that when politicians recognize our cultural
identity, you consider it racist?? 

That reminds me of something I read on alt.president.clinton
in its early days. People bashed specific Congresspeople for
the check-bouncing scandal "If they can't manage their own
money, they can't manage yours". Seems reasonable to me.
Then when the subject of Clinton's cheap digital wristwatch
came up, the same people said "Sure he can be frugal with
his own money, but what makes you think he'll do the same
with your money?"
Well, which one is it? Is the mark of a fiscally responsible
person one who is responsible with his own money, or one who
is irresponsible with his own money?

And if anyone took my earlier remarks to be derogatory
to Pakistanis, they have misunderstood the ideas.
I said all along that the Pakistanis have a better organized
lobbying effort than Indians, and this could lead to
UN/US resolutions or world pressure condemning India, specifically
with regards to Punjab and Kashmir. Consider it an
exhortation for Indian-Americans to organize...

If anyone took my statements as derogatory to Republicans,
well then, that was the point.

|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Shiv A. Prasad			"In my opinion, we don't devote nearly
|> pras0005@student.tc.umn.edu 	 enough scientific research to finding 
|> 				 a cure for jerks."
|> 								Calvin
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- vp
From: rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:16:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


>|> 
>|> 			HAVE SOME PRIDE!!!
>|> 
>
>Not in a country that produces fucking assholes like you!!!
>
>|> 
>|> 					Sincerely,
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 							Maneesh
>|> 
>|> 	       
>
>JERK!
>Get a life.
>
>Deepak
Listen,

Don't let this guys idiotic rantings have anything to do with your feelings 
towards Indians or India.  He is obviously ignorant and has a mind of a flea.
This guy is not worth the bandwidth that he is getting and deserves to be
completely ignored.  His points that he brings up are ludicrous to say the
least.  In case he forgot, just to remind him, we are all on ONE planet, 
called Earth, and are ONE race, called homo sapiens (or humans) and there
is no other real distinction between any of us other than what we have made
up.  Also, there is no such thing as a pure Indian race as the Indian race
itself is a mixture of Aryans and the folks who were on the subcontinent
before the Aryans came, and also of the countless invading forces from the
middle east and so on.  It just is that the world is in a very different time
than it has ever been and many are having a terrible time accepting the simple
fact that it is time for all of us to change and to become ONE race from ONE
planet so that we can go on into the future and shine brightly, or else we
as a race will dim and extinguish to nothingness and no one will care.

That is my stream of consciousness thought for this matter.  Now I got to go
see what my daughter wants, who is a product of a AI-II wedlock for the record,
but that is not to say that there aren't many AI-European wedlocks that haven't
produced beautiful children.  Mine just happens to the be the prettiest!

Rango


>------
From: mvij@soda.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Eve-teasing, and divorce (was Dissension...)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:53:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan22.183412.18395@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>The overwhelming consensus among women who've lived there and here
>seems to be that women have far more ability to live independent,
>productive, and self-satisfying lives here than in India.  The amount
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
>of eve-teasing that goes on there is shocking.  This is respect?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why is it so widespread?

>I, personally, wouldn't take respect at the price exacted from Indian
>women.  Please, please don't put me up on a pedestal.

The virgin/whore syndrome.

>This divorce rate is in large part due to cultural acceptance of
>divorce.  Far more women stay in unhappy, abusive relationships in
>countries where divorce is not culturally acceptable.  I'd rather have
>a high divorce rate and happier people.

Divorce has been the sticking point in my arguments with my folks.  Why
do so many people divorce here?  This reason that Amirthi gives would
account for a substantial portion.  But 50% of all new marriages ending
in divorce?  And are all these folks really happier?  Battered spouses,
yes.  But the rest, who also undergo the hardship of breaking up and
raising kids?

The Indian view of marriage is that 'you have to adjust and make it work.'
Yet American couples also adjust, though not to the Indian extreme, just
to make even a long-term dating relationship work.

Perhaps Indians have less giddy expectations of love and marriage (though
Bollywood is trying its hardest to change that).  But not all Americans
are entirely romantic fools.

It seems to me there are plenty of mature Americans who are experienced
enough in love to have realistic views.  After eliminating the abusive
relationships, the unhappy relationships, the incompatible relationships,
and the unrealistic relationships, there should remain a large number of
substantial ones.  When most people marry, they do so with the expectation
of happiness.  Why, then, divorce?

>>Indian students make up
>>disproportionately high percentages of the top-ranked universities, and score
>>much higher (on average) on standardized tests than blacks, whites, and
>>Hispanics.  If a "strong family" is not responsible for this, then what is?
>
>Strong 'cultural' pressure to succeed and excel so that your kids are
>better than all the other Indian families'.  Often leading to ulcers
>and mid-life-crises. :-)

And like the predominance of immigrant professionals.

>We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been
>accomplished without passion.
>
>					 - George Hegel

I think I liked e.e. cummings better.  Do you think a philosopher can
express that better than a poet?  :-)

Manish
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Subject: Re: Career Choices..
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:03:37 GMT

rsd@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Rajiv Dighe) writes:

>Something I penned long long time ago on career choices in India.


>Rajiv

>			Middle-Class Blues
>			(aka Male Menopause)

>Engineering, Medicine or the Sciences
>Were the only allowances
>that were allowed as career choices
>by our middle class deities...
>So we silently supressed our desires
>molded our dreams in more earthly fires 
>Years later we have emerged
>our creativity still submerged
>Looking wistfully at Rushdie
>To pen like that would make me free
>Me on the other hand have so many thoughts
>But to truly express them, the skills I have not
>Vocational guidance was a joke
>Our future full of mirrors and smoke
>Art and Litt. a feminine domain
>Math and Science was our reign
>Such mind-bending stereotypes
>Hopefully many of them have died
>On hindsight I think of so many pleasures
>that were denied because of a mind-closure
>Music is one thing I would have loved to learn
>But there was no incentive, no potential wages to earn
>We were taught to learn by the rote
>Independent thinking not in vogue
>Essay-type questions to test your memory
>All black and white- isnt that scary ?
>I look back and see how much I had to unlearn
>before I could even start to *learn*
>Our inquisitive nature was systematically blunted
>our questions artfully shunted
>Nobody taught us how to ask Why
>How was all that was needed to get by
>I shake my head and wonder ruefully
>How much potential gets converted truly
>How many Hemingways did we turn away
>As we walked the narrow straight middle-class way ?
>							RSD
Well put. 
I have one suggestion - never stop learning. Every day in life gives you
another chance to fulfil your mind's desire. If you can express your 
thoughts so good without 'formal training', give yourself a year or two of 
good liberal arts education and the 'Hemingway' in you will blossom.
--
--With best regards from Shashi
Login name: shashi | System Programmer By Profession | In real life:
                   | but heart(&SWEET-HEART) in Math.| Shashi Sathaye
shashi@ms.uky.edu	sysshash@ukcc.uky.edu  shashi@aix3090.uky.edu
From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:28:34 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

>Any Indian who would support Republicans is a Pakistani in disguise.

P.	Oh reallly....Hmmmm...I guess i'm a Pakistani then.  Will have
	to keep that in mind next time I look at myself in the mirror.
	I do remember that it actually doesn't matter on this group 
	who you are....just that you happen to be a living outside of
	India and want to discuss matters of the world, particularly
	about how to get along with people in this culture without 
	maintaining the prejudicies we inherited as Indians.

>Furthermore, all Pat Buchanan (whom you supported for President)
>could talk about at the Convention was a "religious war for the
>soul of America" ... I'll give you a hint, man: that war won't
>be for _our_ religion; it would be to turn this country into a
>"Christian nation".

P.	I can't support nor will ever support Pat Buchanan, but can
	and will support probably the Republicans in the future.  In
	this last election however, I supported Perot.  Not because,
	I thought he would win, but more to say to the other two
	parties that I am not happy with them and want them to change,
	and if they don't than the two party system is bound to fall.


_______________________________________________________________________________
LATER DAZE
Puneet                                                   MBA2@JETSON.UH.EDU   or
                                                         BBRC215@BAL0053.B-R.COM
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Loyalty to Who (was Dissension...)
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:16:23 GMT

I'd just like to point out that despite the word 'indian' in the
header of this newsgroup, there are many other asians reading this
group.

I'm Sri Lankan by heritage, and would assume that there are a fair
number of Pakistanis reading, who would rightly be insulted by the
derogatory references to them in previous posts in this thread.

 - Amirthi

-- 
We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been
accomplished without passion.

					 - George Hegel
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rsd@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Rajiv Dighe)
Subject: Career Choices..
Organization: C&C Research Labs, NEC USA, Princeton, N.J.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:41:23 GMT

Something I penned long long time ago on career choices in India.


Rajiv

			Middle-Class Blues
			(aka Male Menopause)

Engineering, Medicine or the Sciences
Were the only allowances
that were allowed as career choices
by our middle class deities...
So we silently supressed our desires
molded our dreams in more earthly fires 
Years later we have emerged
our creativity still submerged
Looking wistfully at Rushdie
To pen like that would make me free
Me on the other hand have so many thoughts
But to truly express them, the skills I have not
Vocational guidance was a joke
Our future full of mirrors and smoke
Art and Litt. a feminine domain
Math and Science was our reign
Such mind-bending stereotypes
Hopefully many of them have died
On hindsight I think of so many pleasures
that were denied because of a mind-closure
Music is one thing I would have loved to learn
But there was no incentive, no potential wages to earn
We were taught to learn by the rote
Independent thinking not in vogue
Essay-type questions to test your memory
All black and white- isnt that scary ?
I look back and see how much I had to unlearn
before I could even start to *learn*
Our inquisitive nature was systematically blunted
our questions artfully shunted
Nobody taught us how to ask Why
How was all that was needed to get by
I shake my head and wonder ruefully
How much potential gets converted truly
How many Hemingways did we turn away
As we walked the narrow straight middle-class way ?
							RSD
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian