HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcbride@rust.zso.dec.com (Melinda McBride)
Subject: Redmond Public Market
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:55:03 GMT

When I a posted a note about the Root Connection farm stand
on Woodinville-Redmond Road, I mentioned that they also sold
produce at the Redmond Saturday Market and I got some e-mail
asking for information about the Market, too.  I was unable
to reply to the e-mail, but I thought there'd be enough
interest that I'd post a note about it.

The Redmond Saturday Market is held every Saturday, from May to
October, from 8:00am to 2:00pm (but come early for the best
selection).

It is located at the old Redmond golf course (where the big mall was
supposed to be built).  You enter off Leary way.

Lots of local and Eastern Washington farmers sell stuff there.  You can
usually find a good selection of organic produce.  In addition to the
Root Connection, look for Rent's Due Ranch.  If you come very early you
can also get fresh eggs from Rent's Due Ranch.  

Recently some folks from Vashon Island have been bringing over a big
truck full of homemade fruit pies.  Woodridge Orchards (I'm not sure
that's the exact name) is usually there with apple cider.  Somebody else
has been selling wildflower honey and beeswax candles.  The honey is
really good.

You can find the usual assortment of crafts for all tastes.  Also
perinneals and other plants.  In the spring farmers sell vegetable
starts and one guy comes to sell kiwi vines (formerly known as chinese
gooseberries).

I still make it to the Redmond Market often, even though I have moved
back into Seattle.  Now is the peak of the season, so go and at least
get yourself some fresh corn on the cob.


Mac
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory)
Subject: Re: Looking for Redskins Fans
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:12:56 GMT

In article <mPPTPB3w165w@eisley.wa.com> ace@eisley.wa.com (Ace of Death) writes:
>I am looking for a place to watch Redskins games on Sundays.

>If you happen to have a dish and wouldn't mind watching the games, I'd be 
>happy to bring over the beer and chips and such.

>           ___  ____  ____           ____   ____     ___  _____  _   _
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> ~/\~  /_/  |_|\____||____| |__||   |____/ |____|/_/  |_|  |_|  |_| |_|
>  ~~                ace@eisley.wa.com

Yes for a limited time only you can have the "Ace of Death" come to your house
and watch football.  But wait there is more, in this special limited offer
Mr. Death will also bring depressants and carcinogens as a special bonus.
Reply to his mail today, this offer can't last long.

:)

The thought of meeting the "Ace of Death" is almost to much to pass up, but
in this case I'll have to.

Peter


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ryan@isis.Berkeley.EDU (Ryan McCormack)
Subject: Youth Hostels in Seattle area
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:28:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: isis.berkeley.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello, I will be traveling to Seattle next week, and may need to
stay in a youth hosteel for a night or two.  Does anybody have
nay info regarding hostels in and/or around Seattle?  I leave    
August 17, so any replies after that date would do me no good.

Thanks for the help.  Please reply via email!

Ryan

-- 
=======================================================================
Ryan McCormack                          ||"I am not a number.  I am
ryan@isis.berkeley.edu                  ||  a free man."
U.C. Berkeley Dept. of Materials Science||          -The Prisoner
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: How do you get fast police action?
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:07:45 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Aug17.231352.28822@u.washington.edu> pmfisher@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Fisher) writes:
>
>	I would have said I was seeing the burglary taking place.
>That would get their attention.  I might have also embellished
>the story to say that the thiefs were taking more than they 
>actually were.  Maybe that last part is a wrong thing to do,
>but it would get their attention more.
>
>	Pat-

Actually Pat, the whole idea is the wrong thing to do.  Police calls are
prioritized with the highest priorty going to calls where potiental 
bodily harm or injuries are present.  Lying about the circumstances could
take police away from someone who needs them worse - and get you a ticket
or possible lawsuit if someone suffers injury because of your actions.


-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.714330480
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Aug20.020348.27344@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:

>In article <markmc.714180909@sierra.com>, markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
>> I got some e-mail from Bruce King saying he'll be back up by Wednesday or
>> so.  He said he went to reduce the number of phone lines he was carrying
>> from 16 to 12, and US West unhooked the wrong ones (i.e. the ones with the
>> main phone #'s).
>> 
>> --
>> Mark McWiggins           +1 206 822 5200x377 days      Box 31356
>> markmc@sierra.com        +1 206 632 1905 24 hrs.       Seattle WA 98103-1356

>     If that happened to Eskimo North, I'd be posting the numbers that were
>still alive so my customers could still get in.  Some of Seattle Online's
>customers that I've spoken to told me they received a different story and no
>alternate number to call.

>     I publish all of Eskimo North's numbers normally just because things do
>go wrong with phonelines, modems, etc, and that way users still have a way to
>get in.  To me it only makes sense to do that.  If that were the cause of
>Seattle Online's outage then I don't understand why Bruce didn't do that and
>I also don't understand why it took five days to fix.  Generally when I've
>had problems of this sort the phone company has taken care of it the same day.


hmmm... he boasts 3000 users (if I remember reading that correctly) and 
just cut from 16 lines to only 12 for all those PAYING people?  Doesn't
sound user-friendly to me...
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: oneworld!charles (Charles W. Cooper II)
Subject: Re: How do you get fast police action?
Reply-To: charles@oneworld.wa.com
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:24:57 GMT

Neal Johnson writes
> 
> >>   In article <1992Aug17.023339.16421@u.washington.edu> 
> >>ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>	Saturday early morning I was on my way home on bicycle when I
> >>	spotted the strange sight of a young man on a bike with a TV
> >>	carton balanced on the handlebar about to begin descending
> >>	a rather steep street. It struck me as foolish that anyone 
> >>	would haul such a large object in so dangerous a fashion at 
> >>	dark (It was only 4 am). [...]
> 
> >In article <1992Aug17.153645.27176@eskimo.celestial.com> 
> >kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
> >
> >   Well, you know what the police priorities are these days.
> >   They are all out doing highly visible, glamorous, easy stuff
> >   that has a high return for effort expended (even though it
> >   backfires sometimes, like the Everett SWAT team that killed
> >   that lady).
> 

I am pretty amazed given the size of Seattle and its Police force of nearly  
2000 officers that the response time and service is so poor.  Here in Bellevue  
(he says with his nose in the air...) Crimes against property are investigated  
promptly.  Bellevue has 1/5 the population of Seattle and about 1/4 the land  
mass.  I'll admit that perhaps the incidence of violent crime and indigent  
problems are not to the same proportion as they are in Seattle but I would bet  
that there are a few of the same things that would keep the police occupied as  
well.  I understand that our neighboring city of Kirkland has a gang problem. 

What I did notice in the last few years was a huge contingent of Seattle  
traffic police in the downtown corridor giving tickets to motorist who ventured  
the wrong way during the bus tunnel project.  (yes, I got nailed grumble  
grumble) I counted no less than 15 officers one day on 3rd avenue.  It was a  
blatant opportunistic way to generate revenue for the city.  (I beat the system  
ha ha) In my opinion they could have used three officers and redeployed the  
rest to more important things like responding to "crimes against property".
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: How do you get fast police action?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:47:45 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing

In article <1742@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
.
.
.
>         ...!uunet!{pilchuck, polari}!rwing!pat
>WISDOM:    "Travelling unarmed is like boating without a life jacket" 

You are quite correct about Seattle's orientation.  Each time an 
ordinance is suggested that will reduce crime it is branded racists
against people of color or it violates civil rights.  I am genuinely
surprized by Mayor Rice's agreement with the loitering ordinance.  In
any event, to reduce bicyclers from breaking into cars and stealing
VCR's and TV's one either needs to eliminate the temptation or the
perpatrator.  If the city allows minors (18 years or younger) to wonder
the streets at night some are likely to get into trouble with the 
law.  A curfew would address that but the ACLU will no doubt challenge it.
Then the best action is prevention.  Don't store a TV or VCR in your car.
Of course, your car may be stolen but it will not be as likely a target
for breaking and entering.



-- 
For those of you who wish to send a clear message to Time-Warner for
promoting Ice-T's Cop Killer song, write to: Geral M Levin, CEO 
                                             75 Rockefeller Plaza
                                             New York, NY 10019 
Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce
From: greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Organization: Adolph Eichmann's Evil Cake Factory
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:17:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.155211.14984@beaver.cs.washington.edu> kolding@cs.washington.edu (Eric Koldinger) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.034101.17124@ssc.wa.com> tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.203053.13895@u.washington.edu> jhli@carson.u.washington.edu (Jianghong Li) writes:
>>>A female graduate student or a post-doctoral fellow, or a visiting
>>>scholar is wanted to a spacious two-bedroom apartment in Ballard. 
>
>>Sorry, but gender discrimination in housing is illegal in the 
>>city of Seattle.
>
>Sorry, but in this case it's not.  If you are looking for a roommate, you can
>be as specific as you like (ads for vegetarian, Nepalese, Jewish quadroplegics
>are legal, for instance, although you might be hard pressed to actually find a
>roommate).  If you are renting a vacant house or apartment, then
>discrimination of all kinds is illegal.  

Eric is essentially correct, but not exactly.  I believe it is illegal to
discriminate on the basis of race or ethnic origin, even when looking for a
roommate, so one couldn't legally specify 'Nepalese'.  For a (slightly) more 
realistic example, Brigitte Fonda would not legally be able to advertise for a
'Single White Female' roommate in the state of Washington, although she
could advertise for a `Single Female' (but that, I suppose, doesn't trip so
trippingly off the tongue).

To get horribly exact about it, the following is information I got by
visiting the Student Housing Office at the UW: 

"It is against the law to discriminate in the City of Seattle and in
unincoporated King County based on:
	Race, Color, Religion, National origin, Sex, Age, Handicap, Marital
	Status, Parental Status, Sexual Orientation, Ancestry*, Political
	Ideology*

*Covered by Seattle Ordinance only."

	--- "Did someone say you couldn't live there?", pamphlet published
		by Seattle Human Rights Department and King County 
		Affirmative Action Program

When looking for a roommate, however, you can be more picky.  I found the
following in December 1989 (unfortunately, I couldn't find it when I
returned today, but I doubt that means the ruling was reversed.)

"Shared Housing Discrimination Policy

The Attorney General of the State of Washington has declared that `it is
not contrary to the Washington State law against discrimination for a
person to discriminate on the basis of sex, age, or religion in selecting a
roomate [sic] with whom to share living quarters, or for a person to
specify in an advertisement for a roomate that this roomate must be of a
particular sex, age or religion.'  However, shared housing listings which
contain a preference for a specific race is [sic] discriminatory and will
not be accepted by the Student Housing Affairs Office.

AGO 1976 No. 17, Washington State Human Rights Commision Declatory Ruling
#18, 41 Wn. App 283, 704 P 2d 632 (1985)."

			Greg Barnes
			greg@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup)
Subject: Re: bamboo gardens vegetarian restaurant
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:59:35 GMT

>bruceha@microsoft.com (Bruce Hale) writes:
>
>>Bamboo Gardens is a vegetarian chinese restaurant on Roy street
>>in Seattle (near the Seattle Center). 
>>In my opinion, the food is excellent.
>[remainder of review/call for patrons deleted for space.]
>

David Ruggiero <osiris@polari.online.com> writes:
>In a word, the food was terrible: the absolute worst restaurant meal we
>could each ever remember having

I went in May, and found the food to be mediocre and the service
absolutely dreadful.

Perhaps there is a difference that depends on which staff are working?

-- Elizabeth
   walkup@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: eeng@tc.fluke.COM (Ed Eng)
Subject: Re: What happened to all the Yellow Jackets?
Keywords: Insects, Wasps, Bees, Sting, Ouch
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:09:14 GMT

In article <cummings.714160508@milton> cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
>	Last Summer, there was a plague of Yellow Jackets in the Seattle
>area.  News programs carried stern warnings to stay clear of them, with
>expert testimony concerning the grave dangers of wasp stings to those who
>are allergic to them.  Bee sting first aid kits were, I was told, a hot
>item.  So what's happened to them now?
>
>	I have hardly seen any this year, and I'm one of those who gets
>excited and screams and dances when they're around.  I've seen nothing
>about bees or wasps on the news or in the papers.  What's going on?  Am I
>unique in having a wasp-free summer?
>
>	Disclaimer:  Yes, I do get out.
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

I also haven't seen as many of the yellow jackets that plagued us last year,
but I've seen a different breed this year.  Last year I can only describe them
as agressive, wide body yellow jackets with a distinctive yellow stripe that
would swarm over a piece of meat or fruit.  This year I've knocked down 10
nests on the eaves of my roof (5 in the last week), but these are the longer,
skinnier version, not as agressive and much slower with a yellow stripe but not
as defined.  I believe these are referred to as mud wasps.  Most of the hives
were not bigger than your fist and shaped like a typical nest, but 2 of these
were open honeycomb style where you could see the larvae(?).  So I'm wondering
what makes my house so desirable, I'd like to prevent them from building here
because it's only a matter of time before I get a large nest in the attic.  

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bob@tera.com (Bob Alverson)
Subject: broken FAX wanted, modem for sale
Reply-To: bob@tera.com
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:55:23 GMT

Does anyone have an unwanted FAX machine, possibly broken, that they would sell
cheap?  I'm looking for one that I might salvage the reader out of, for scanning
paper into my computer.

I also have a 1200 baud USR passport (external) modem for sale, $35.

Bob


Newsgroups: seattle.test
From: wrightdb@pigsty.dental.washington.edu
Subject: testing
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:39:34 GMT

another test for you to read...
From: jk2828@shamu (Jeff Krautkremer)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: test
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:26:57 GMT
Organization: Central Storage Facility

just testin'
From: rpj7264@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ron Jobmann)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:49:06 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: 777 Electrical Systems

testing
From: jk2828@shamu (Jeff Krautkremer)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: test
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:50:24 GMT
Organization: Central Storage Facility

more testing, fun, fun, fun...
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From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.general
Subject: Re: Fed up with Seattle Online!!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:35:41 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: I/Ovations

In <1992Aug17.010040.23522@nwnexus.WA.COM> wendor@halcyon.com writes:

>I don't know about any of you out there, but I am really fed up
>with Bruce King and the way he runs Seattle Online (polari).

>And now today I find that ALL of polari's data lines and the voice line
>have been disconnected.

I won't comment on any of your other comments regarding polari.
However, regarding the data lines, it is likely to be a phone company
error.  I received a panicked call from a sysop of another public access
Unix site that had all their lines 'accidentally' disconnected today.  I
didn't give it more than a passing thought at the time, but now that I
find out polari has suffered the same fate, well, it's just obvious that
the phone company is involved in a conspiracy to eliminate the
competition as it moves into it's new role as an 'information provider'
:-) :-)

>If this is a temporary problem then I would
>have thought that Bruce would have been professional enough (laugh!)
>to have notified his customers (by voice if necessary). 

Uh, that really is a laugh!  I have seen bruceki claim 3000 users.  Even
if that is an exaggeration by a factor of TEN, that would mean 300
users.  Would *you* like to try and call 300 users one day because there
was a temporary interruption of service?  Don't forget, many of them
won't have answering machines, which means either calling two phone #s
(home and work), calling them back, or even both, when you don't get
them on the first try.  I don't think the $25 or $35 per month that
bruceki charges for his service pays for that kind of personal
attention.  Compuserve and/or UUnet charge many-MANY times that amount,
and you won't see *them* calling subscribers if there is an interruption
in service!

-- 
del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
                          Who is John Galt?
Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.general
From: wendor@halcyon.com
Subject: Fed up with Seattle Online!!!
Originator: wendor@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:00:40 GMT

I don't know about any of you out there, but I am really fed up
with Bruce King and the way he runs Seattle Online (polari).
I have been a paying customer of his for some time now and have
had nothing but trouble.  When I set up my News/Mail feed for my
machine (eisley) it took over a month for Bruce to get my feed
working properly.  Then he changed it without notifying me and
started feeding me 47 more groups than I wanted.  Good thing I
wasn't paying for an hourly connection!!!

Then he started having problems with mail.  Currently over 75% of
all mail outbound from my system causes waring from uucp messages
from polari telling me that polari has been unable to connect to 
an upstream site and that our mail may be killed.  Phone conversations
with people have confirmed that almost 30% of our mail has not made
it to the intended distinations.  This is ridiculous.

And now today I find that ALL of polari's data lines and the voice line
have been disconnected.  If this is a temporary problem then I would
have thought that Bruce would have been professional enough (laugh!)
to have notified his customers (by voice if necessary).  Personally
however, I think that Mr. King has skipped town with his customer's
money!!!

If you are out there Bruce, I would like very much for you to please
cancel all services for eisley and my personal account (wendor) as
well.  I would further demand a pro-rated refund of funds payed and
will not allow any further charges to my credit card for your non-
existant services!!!

I would like to further encourage any of you out there who have also
been misfortunate enough to have been one of Bruce's customers
to also demand refunds and move to other systems.  I can strongly
reccommend (sp?) Seanews and Halcyon as alternatives to Seattle Online
(or should that be Seattle Offline ???)  I have also heard good
things about eskimo and nwnexus I believe.

Please direct communications/replies to my e-mail address as my feed
for this group was through polari.  I will be arranging for new service
ASAP with someone more professional and honest than Bruce King.

Thank you all for listening.

-
Chuck Gladu - Sysop Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS
wendor@eisley.akita.com
wendor@halcyon.com
and formerly  wendor@polari.online.com
-
..

Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.general
From: kevin@milton.u.washington.edu (Kevin Caskey)
Subject: Re: Fed up with Seattle Online!!!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:00:41 GMT

Kevin at U dub


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From: bruceki@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.general
Subject: Seattle Online
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:41:09 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944


  For general consumption, we're going to be back online at the regular
dialup numbers sometime wednesday.  The delay in getting back online is
due to the phone companies's inability to restore the lines sooner.  

  This is the slow time of year for online systems; to cut costs I asked
the phone company to trim the number of incoming lines we have.  They
trimmed the lines from the beginning of the ringdown list and not the end.

  We currently charge $11 a month for access; $11 a month is not a price
point that allows personalized service of any sort.  Please consider that
if each phone call took 1 minute to complete, it would be more than 
24 hours before we could call every one of the users, and that's assuming
that we called each one only once, and that we talked for a minute or 
less.  Asking for a phone call is ridiculous. 

 I'm sorry for the interrupted service.  If you aren't happy with my
price point or service I'd suggest that you try other systems; that's
a fair point in any competitive situation, and if they're doing the
job better, more power to them.  At this point I have received over
500 phone calls over the last 5 days from irate folks, and frankly,
for the few cents a day profit that I make per customer it's just not 
worth the hassle.  

  We will be back online at the same numbers as before, with the same
high speed modems and you will find no changes.  We are receiving and
sending mail and news as before, and the system's been up and operational
the entire time.  

  Bruce King 
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