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From: dl1@ukc.ac.uk (D.Langford)
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Subject: Re: Has running ST:TNG been a plus for Sky?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:50:24 GMT
Reply-To: dl1@ukc.ac.uk (Duncan Langford)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <6422@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
>
>Just out of curiosity...Does anyone know if Sky measures the rate of uptake
>of subscriptions as compared with the programs it broadcasts?   For months
>now we've been hearing how the exclusive access to some live football
>matches has not resulted in any great increase in the installation of
>Sky dishes.
>
When our BSB setup was due for 'free' replacement, the only reason we
thought it was worthwhile was to continue with ST:NG. There was nothing
else - and we subscribed to the Movie Channel, too - which was worth
watching (for us, anyway).

First reactions to the brave new world of Astra reinforce that view in
spades - although I'm intrigued by the wierd and wonderful teletext
options available there. Did /you/ know that UK Gold not only shows BBC
programmes you hoped never to see again but /also/ has its very own
teletext system? Not a lot of good, mind you; it only has details of
UK Gold programmes, but the thought was there.

ST:NG still doesn't seem to be in stereo, though. Sigh.

- duncan
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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Come back Thames all is forgiven!
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:53:45 GMT

Mark Cooper (markc@compnews.co.uk) wrote:

> As it is, ITV companies already sell programmes to other ITV stations - 
> and, for that matter, BBC.  For example, the BBC prog "What the Papers Say" 
> is a Granada production.  

<splutter> <cough> <cough>....

You mean Brian Inglis's baby is still going?  Whew, that's a long time to
be running, 30 years at least.  And to be on the Beeb now: well, that sort
of laid back look at things never did sit too well on ITV, unless they
shuffled it off the pre-Epilogue slot.

Who remembers Brian doing "All Our Yesterdays" ?  Film clips and news items
from "25 years ago this week", which just happened to be the years before 
and during WWII.  I think it got as far as 1945....

Or Brian introducing kiddie cartoons in "Time for a Laugh".  I thought he
liked it at the time, but then he was replaced by a bubblebrain called Wally
Whitton.

Brian was a real old-school journalist, right up there with James Cameron et
al.  I imagine he's retired now.  

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From: websterm@uproar.enet.dec.com (Mike Webster)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to Gerry & Sylvie Anderson
Reply-To: Mike.Webster@ime.mts.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:21:49 GMT



 Just been to see "return to the forbidden planet".  The play has
 been running a few years in the Cambridge Theatre, West End London
 and has involved Gerry Anderson. I'll look up the details if anyone
 is interested.

 Mike Webster.
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
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Subject: Re: Citizen Smith
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:40:40 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <C0ACqo.HE6@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>   Unless my memory of hte original transmissions is faulty, I 
>seem to remember that Peter Vaughn played the father for quite 
>a while before being replaced,  the girlfriend Shirley was on for 
>a while before flying off to Italy, and the original villain was 
>there for a while also before disappearing.


These episodes have all been broadcast - you seem to have come in at the
start of the second series.








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From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
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Subject: Re: Come back Thames all is forgiven!
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:00:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <726195444snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
>Well we've suffered Carlton now for two days and I wish that Thames hadn't
>lost the franchise! 

And as for GMTV........ ARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!

It's like TV-AM taken to an extreme!  Horrible, and why do these morning
programmes insist on being brighter than the other programmes, I watch the
BBC just to give my eyes a rest from all the saturated reds and yellows!

Then of course, there is teletext on 3/4 which is a complete disaster,
where is the clock on channel 4 pray tell?  And how come the other day I
put on ITV and got teletext on 4 and on Ch4 there was none at all?
Teething problems?  I'll say!

And who's big idea was all this anyway?  Well, I certainly didn't vote for
them and I don't know anyone who did, except my parents and they are not
happy at the moment either.......

What a way to start '93 :-(


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University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independent Kingdoms.  :-)

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From: cei308@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Jet Girl)
Subject: Re: New TV stations and Teletext
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:50:27 GMT

In article <C0pIGx.8FC@cck.coventry.ac.uk> api053@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Garion) writes>
>I have of course witnessed the new Teletext on 3 and 4....oh dear.
>It was supposed to take over from midnight, instead we couldn't get anything
>for a few hours.  The first thing I noticed was how slow it was  compared to 
>Oracle! 

Yes I agree.  The new Teletext on 3 is appaling compared to Oracle.  The pages
such as the Arts etc seem to be updated every two weeks and are so crammed.
Whereas Ch4 used to have approximately 20 pages on music and theatre/books
Teletext has crammed this into 10 - delighting us viewers with interseting
facts such as Jason Donovan is working with Girlschool - whooppeee!  I do
hope that the gig service is still as good. Beat Box's was excellent - they
got the dates for Debbie Harry's Domination 91 tour before even Chrysalis
and it was due to this that I was able to get front row tickets for many of
them. 

How about starting a BRING BACK BEAT BOX campaign???

Concerning Steven's quip about the new Teletext not being on for a couple of
hours - it was in the Yorkshire region.  The franchise business has not really
changed YTV much - 'cept for jumping about three years in the Young Doctors 
and we now have Prisoner: Cell Block H on twice a week.  Hurrah!!!

Incidently, has anyone read the After Hours pages on ITV???  Arent they hilar-
ious/!!!!

love and vibes
Joolz

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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: Prisoner: Cell Block H 
Distribution: world
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:43:06 +0000


In article <1993Jan10.132506.880@cs.nott.ac.uk> ndw@cs.nott.ac.uk writes:

> It is expected to take Central 13 years to show all 692 episodes at the rate 
> of one a week, ie until 2006. The paper describes this as the equivalent to
> a life's sentence 8-)

Perhaps, they'll do what was recently done to that other class Oz series
"Young Doctors" which they managed to edit down to 20s. :-)

Regards, Trevor.

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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Channel, Doctor Who, The Prisoner
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:09:10 GMT

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
: I started getting the Sci-Fi channel this month. I didn't know I was going to
: get it either. Unfortunately, my TV guide doesn't list this channel, so I don't
: know what is on or when. I know someone posted a weekly listing for the channel
: in r.a.drwho (that's why I crossposted). If I had known I was getting the
: channel, I would have saved it. Please mail it to me if you have it.
: 
: Now, I saw half of one episode of The Prisoner, having never seen it before.
: I hear it's good, but I was pretty confused. The episode was something like
: The Lady called Death (not it, but close). Can someone fill me in on what the
: series is about? (this is why I left the distribution open to the UK)

Ah The Prisoner, the tv series that made Twin Peaks look normal.

The Girl Who Was Death was episode 15 (out of 17) and would certainly
confuse anyone who had never seen it before.

Exactly what the series was about has been the subject of considerable
speculation ever since it was first shown in the UK in 1967 and I have
no desire to preempt your own attempts at comprehension.

I suggest you wait until it starts again, the first episode is called
Arrival (or something similar) - do *not* watch the last two episodes
before seeing the beginning......
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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
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Subject: (WS)  UK Programme Contracts
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:13:35 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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Hello folks.  
 
I wondered if anyone knows anything about the contracts 
regarding the rebroadcasts rights to British programmes.  
I have some vague idea that the BBC have contracts that 
restrict programmes to two repeats or broadcasts within 
three years, whichever comes first.  I believe that other 
networks have this type of contract, as _The Bill_ is 
being repeated late nightly here in Australia.  None of the 
earliest series are being repeated, though, which adds 
credescence to this theory.  These contracts are also 
why there are no repeats of _Monty Python_, _Blake's 
Seven_, or the first two series of _Red Dwarf_ to name a 
few, as these contracts have been fulfilled.  (Also, 
release of these programmes on video tape is a far more 
profitable venture than renegotiating repeat rights.)  
 
If anyone can help, can you please post to the board, as I 
think everyone will be interested.  
 
Thanx muchly in advance,
 
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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Allo Allo finally finishes
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:48:13 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein) writes:

>In article <C0AD56.HH0@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk (You) writes:

>>   So Allo Allo has finally finished after 10 years.

>SHeish! It JUST finished? It seems like there are TONS of episodes out
>there. 

>>  Previous seasons of Allo Allo had 26 or so episodes in them, did this one?
>> It only seems to have been on a short time?

>I don't know, but it explains why the showing in the US seems like it
>runs forever before it get's to episode one. I have never seen ANY UK
>comedy to run forever like this one seemed to, though "Are You Being
>Served" is up there.

  Well 'Only Fools and Horses" had been going for 10 years or so,
and 'Last of the summer wine' has been going since the early/mid 1970's.

  Don't forget alf garnet is still going.  Started in the 1960's as
Till Death do us Part.  then after 10 or 20 years restarted in the 
1980's as In Sickness and in Health.

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From: markc@compnews.co.uk (Mark Cooper)
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Subject: Re: ITN World News Question
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:28:51 GMT
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Yes, it's troo - they've got rid of it (and I should know - I've been reading the dratted things for 2.5 years! :) )

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From: bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon)
Subject: Re: new beeb gameshow - VR
Organization: IXI Ltd.
	<zlsiida.667@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:35:52 GMT


> Dump the guy doing the over-fancy game descriptions

Someone told me the guy in the hat is played by the actor who also plays
Inspector Morse's boss (cannot think of the names) 

BTW Episode 1 of the last series of Morse was rather good I thought.

Bov!

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From: ccaaand@ucl.ac.uk (Andrew Dawson)
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Subject: Re: Sci-Fi on UK telly...
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:04:16 GMT
Reply-To: ccaaand@ucl.ac.uk
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes:

>Apart from QL, there doesn't appear to be any at the moment.

Actually, there's a bit more than that: Star Trek reruns, Dr Who reruns,
Alien Nation rerun, Twilight Zone (both old and new versions in the middle
of the night). Can't think of any more at the moment.

>Does anyone know if there are any plans for BBC or ITV to bring over Deep
>Space Nine, Time Trax, Space Rangers or Babylon 5?

I read somewhere that ITV have bought the rights to Time Trax. No idea when
they intend to show it though.
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From: cei352@cck.coventry.ac.uk (The Freak)
Subject: Re: New TV stations and Teletext
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:32:54 GMT

In article <C0quG8.H4x@cck.coventry.ac.uk> cei308@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Jet Girl) writes:
>In article <C0pIGx.8FC@cck.coventry.ac.uk> api053@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Garion) writes>
>>I have of course witnessed the new Teletext on 3 and 4....oh dear.
>>It was supposed to take over from midnight, instead we couldn't get anything
>>for a few hours.  The first thing I noticed was how slow it was  compared to 
>>Oracle! 
>
>Yes I agree.  The new Teletext on 3 is appaling compared to Oracle.  The pages
>such as the Arts etc seem to be updated every two weeks and are so crammed.
>Whereas Ch4 used to have approximately 20 pages on music and theatre/books
>Teletext has crammed this into 10 - delighting us viewers with interseting
>facts such as Jason Donovan is working with Girlschool - whooppeee!  I do
>hope that the gig service is still as good. Beat Box's was excellent - they
>got the dates for Debbie Harry's Domination 91 tour before even Chrysalis
>and it was due to this that I was able to get front row tickets for many of
>them. 
>
>How about starting a BRING BACK BEAT BOX campaign???
>
>Concerning Steven's quip about the new Teletext not being on for a couple of
>hours - it was in the Yorkshire region.  The franchise business has not really
>changed YTV much - 'cept for jumping about three years in the Young Doctors 
>and we now have Prisoner: Cell Block H on twice a week.  Hurrah!!!
>
>Incidently, has anyone read the After Hours pages on ITV???  Arent they hilar-
>ious/!!!!

  Yep,hilarious is certainly the word.The so called 'agony aunt' is the 
  best.She does advice columns for men,women,and homo's.You get get better
  advice by tuning into Radio 4 at three o clock in the morning.She doesnt
  answer the questions set directly,but instead circles around the topic
  giving to just a fraction of advice to the topic in question.Infact
  she probably isnt an agony aunt at all,and is probably the cook,or cleaner
  who is earning a bit of overtime at Televexed 3.Coz thats another thing
  about Televexed you never see the people behind the screen.You never
  know the agaony aunt may be as feminine and as pretty as that woman of
  current convo Marge Proops.Now theres a sex godess.........
  And as for Televexed 3 messing up all the time.The thing that really 
  annoys me is when on Bamboozle (pg 358) you press the correct key
  and the whole thing buggers up,so you have to start again.
  Boycott Televexed 3 and 4 everyone.
  

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From: markc@compnews.co.uk (Mark Cooper)
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Subject: Re: new beeb gameshow - VR
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:33:33 GMT
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If I remember correctly, the guy in the hat is James Grout...

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From: rsoc@doc.ic.ac.uk (Rob O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: Come back Thames all is forgiven!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:39:08 -0000
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In article <1ih0v2INNcnd@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk> rsoc@doc.ic.ac.uk (Rob O'Connor) writes:
>
>Most likely they'll continue making programmes with less staff! Basically
>our wonderful (sic) Government decided that the broadcasters had a monopoly
>on the programmes being made, so they decided to set a maximum level of 
>programs that could be broadcast by the franchise holder.
                        ^^^^^^^^^
>                          |
>Rob.                      |
		Whoops! that should read 'maximum level of programs MADE by
                the franchise holder!!

I'd like to add that a number of employees have managed to find work with
the new companies. I understand that TVS workers in particular were well treated
by the company and 200 have so far managed to find work with new companies.
Thames on the other hand didn't treat their employees well, and as a result
most of the 1000 or so are now out of work. TVam, well, the less said about
them the better!

Rob. 
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Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 20:23:30 EST
From: <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: maid marion??

I was just looking for any comments on the Tony Robinson production
"Maid Marion & Her merry men"- I just saw it at the local video
store and was hoping it was worth the rental fee??? I kind of feel
weary of Tony Robinson after watching his Baldric in the Black Adder
series... not that he wasn't enjoyable, but that his charecter always
was usually trodden on!! Is his role comparable in this series????
I'd welcome any comments!!

Thanks,
Seth(werty)
From: djenkins@axion.bt.co.uk (David Jenkins)
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Subject: Re: THUNDERBIRDS question
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:24:06 GMT
Reply-To: djenkins@axion.bt.co.uk (David Jenkins)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1993Jan11.205209.15654@pixel.kodak.com>,
dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
|> Steve Halchuk (halchuk@seismo.emr.ca) wrote:
|> > That wonderful seies of the late sixties - The Thunderbirds
|> (complete
|> > with SUPERMARIONATION) is being broadcast in Canada on YTV. After 
|> > hearing that it has regained some popularity in the UK, can
|> someone
|> > shed some light on the acronym FAB, which is used by one of the 
|> > Thunderbirds after receiving a message? 
|> > 
|> > Thanks in advance
|> > Stephen
|> > 
|> And thank you for giving me another chance to say that it means
|> nothing, and
|> is mostly a play on the 60s trendy slang word 'fab' aka 'fabulous'. 

|> It is
|> merely corroborative detail, intended to lend versimilitude to an otherwise 
|> bald and unconvincing narrative.
|> 

So who watched the Mikado over Christmas then? 

:-)


David Jenkins

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From: leo@cp.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: Lovejoy of Jan 10
Reply-To: leo@cp.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:34:39 GMT

S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes:

> Was it my imagination or would that episode have been better as the
> season finale to last season?  What a depressing way to *start* a
> new season!

I agree.

Quite apart from that, it was an exceptionally lousy episode, all around.
It was boring, it went nowhere, and it had even less of a plot then Lovejoy
episodes usually have. It's a real pity, but Lovejoy is one of those
series where each successive season is less enjoyable than the previous
one...

SPOILER ALERT

One thing that really bugged me, by the way, is the manner in which
Lovejoy commits outright fraud over and over again in this episode:
falsifying the letter, falsifying the bowl, etc. Sure, the Lovejoy we
all know and love is no saint, but he at least used to be *subtle* and
basically on the good side. Last night's episode might just as well have
been called 'the adventures of a small-time crook'.

And Lovejoy's gift as a "divvie" is also something we haven't seen used
for ages -- even though it is such a convenient plot device, I'd say.

Pity...

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