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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Boots, boots, boots..
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:20:51 GMT
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Diane Reichard (reichard@nb.rockwell.com) wrote:

: In article <1ia4utINN2rl@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:

: >  Specifically, I'm in need of a pair of dress boots for fat calves
: >  and small feet! (without the custom made price!) If anyone out
: >  there in netland has numbers for any other tack catalogs, I'd
: >  appreciate any info. Apparently, all riders are supposed to be
: >  6' tall and skinny.....it's very discouraging to try to find
: >  clothes that fit. Any short riders out there have a favorite
: >  tack shop? What I'd like to find is a boot with an extra wide
: >  calf, size 5 or 5 1/2 wide, in the smallest height available.


: >  I have a pair of custom made Dehners that were made when I was
: >  16 years old...needless to say, I'm a different shape these days.
: >  (Oh, for the days when my parents paid the bills.....)
: >  Does anyone have any experience with having boots altered? I only wore
: >  them to shows, so they're in GREAT shape. My choices are to 
: >  (try to) alter them, or (try to) sell them. 

Go to where you bought then or contact Dehner to see if they will alter
the boots.  I seen to recall that Dehner will do some alterations.

[stuff deleted]
: people aren't supposed to have big feet.  I've found one brand that fits
: me "off the rack" (Elan, which aren't being made anymore), but you can always
: go to a tack shop and try on several pair.  Frequently there are differences
: within a brand on the non-custom boots.  You might have to try several pair
: before you find one that fits just right.  I think Effingham makes a wider
: calved boot, so you might give those a try, although they're not as nice a
: boot as Dehner or Elan, it beats paying the price for customs.

The Elan was the same boot as the Grand Prix, which should still be
available. Don't count on a consistent fit in either though.  We used to
measure the calf of every pair that came in.  The same size (regular, wide
or extra wide) could vary by as much as 1.5 inches!  Bond (Effingham) was
much more consistent.

Another option to try is semi custom.  At one point, both DevonAire and
Bond were doing this.  You had to have a stock foot, but the leg of the
boot could be altered to fit you.  Check with your local shops to see if
this is still an option.  

In off the rack boots, the Bond tends to be the tallest, the Grand Prix
(Elan) in the middle and the DevonAire the shortest.  Also, the regular,
wide and extra wide designations mean different things to different
companies.  When you are shopping for boots, plan on it taking a while to
try on differnt pair.  We used to figure 1 to 1.5 hours was average.  Make
sure you try them on over the type of breeches you will be wearing to ride.
 A full seat breech adds more to your leg than a simple nylon breech.

Karen
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Eyesight
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:51:16 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


I just printed out the info I have on file about checking horse's eyesight
and plan to try to check Amy's gelding Beau tomorrow.  He seems to have
severe problems getting around at night.  I feed early in the morning, 
today he would walk a few feet toward me, swing his head back and forth,
back and forth for several minutes, then walk a few feet.  I can't tell
if he is trying to use his head like a blind person uses a cane, but he
does seem to be very hesitant to move in the dark.  When we toss his hay
out to him, he actually moves his head around until he bumps the hay with
his nose.  I don't know if he has always done this, this is the first 
winter we have had him.

Sue
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Crosby Mark IV saddle for sale
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:18:47 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

Saddle for sale.  Crosby Mark IV, 17 1/2", almost brand new. $550.
It's an all-purpose saddle.

Call Karen Sergey (914-962-1676) for more information.

Leah Beckman
beckman@cs.nyu.edu

PLEASE, do not repond directly to this post---I can not post from this
site and have asked somebody else to post this for me.

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From: gibson@watson.bms.com (Minde Gibson)
Subject: loss of hair
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Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:47:00 GMT

I purchased a used New Zealand Turnout Rug for my Quarter Horse in the fall
and since the weather has turned colder he has worn it.  My concern is that
he is losing his hair at various pressure(friction?) points.  I have tried
loosening the rug some but this seems to have no effect.  Next year he will
probably be left naked(since he's partially destroyed the rug anyway).

Will his hair grow back or will he be bald in these spots for good now??

Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated.

                                 Minde, M&M's Van Go

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/ hpspdla:rec.equestrian / devine@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Catherine Devine) /  6:03 pm  Dec 22, 1992 /

>Congratulations to usenet's own Kyle Karnosh for a really good letter to the 
>editor in the December 18 issue of the Chronicle of the Horse.  He pointed out
>that they reported on a breeding show without mentioning the breeding of the
>horses.  Duh!  Enquiring minds want to know about breeding.  Thanks, Kyle!

Glad you liked it. What can I say, I'm just a breeding fanatic.
I guess people really read those letters after all :-)


One minor detail:

>editor in the December 18 issue of the Chronicle of the Horse.  He pointed out
								^^^
You have to watch those gender assumptions :-):-).


>Catherine
>Hannah, Travis, and Jasper (the geriatric cats)
>Isaac (the TB/Trakehner)
>Castlecomer (the Connemara/Dutch Warmblood yearling she-devil)

Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
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From: kevley@maths.tcd.ie (Kevin Crowley)
Subject: Jobhunt
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:43:25 GMT


Could anyone please help me with my problem?
					I'm thinking of going to work in the
States or Canada this summer.I'd like to work with horses but I don't have any
contacts over there who could help.I'm looking for names,addresses,etc.of 
people who might have jobs available.I am a pretty experienced rider and have 
worked a lot with horses(summer work and part-time)at riding schools.I have 
experience of showjumping,cross-country,and hunting.I have also taught lessons
to inexperienced riders.I am used to the hard work and cope quite well with
the responsibility of looking after horses properly.
 				If anyone could help with this search please
e-mail me any suggestions.
				Thanks in advance,
						Kevin


P.S.  Is there any organisation over there with information on riding schools,
stud farms,etc.(like the B.H.S. in the U.K.)?
Any help will be much appreciated.
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: septicemia prognosis
Date: 4 Jan 93 06:26:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	A friend of mine has just bought a very sweet 8 month old Arabian
filly who has had a rough start on life.  My friend and I knew what she was
getting into buying this filly as we were the first to notice this filly's
swollen hocks this past August and notified the breeding stable of the 
problem.  Unfortunately the breeding stable had never experienced a case
of septicemia, otherwise known as navel ill, joint ill, and juvenile
arthritis, before and this filly's mama was a tough one to catch out in
pasture.  So they waited hoping the filly had just gotten kicked, and 
later thinking that perhaps this was a case of epiphysitis, which it was
not.  As a result it was at least a month later before this wonderful
fighter was treated for joint ill.  The stable owner is quite shagrinned
at having made the error of waiting so long to get this filly in to be
treated, and he is selling this filly very cheaply to my friend because
he knows that this filly will get good care and that she is intended as
a broodmare, not a riding horse.  He is really hoping that she will be
sound enough to ride, however neither of us think that will be the case. 
	She has been on antibiotics ever since and managed to clear most
of the infection, if not all of it, out of her body.  However her joints
are still swollen from the arthritis.  She moves stiffly however when 
turned out she runs and trots as best she can, and greatly enjoys her
turnout time.  
	Has anyone out there had a foal with a bad case of joint ill???
What was the prognosis???  How did the foal do???

					Tracy and everybody
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:44:10 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <9301050850.aa09071@AMSAA-CLEO.BRL.MIL>, sherri@brl.mil (Sherri Measley AMXSY-LA , AMSAA/LRAD/FRB) writes:
|> 
|>  Last month, while visiting our local tack store, I saw a "saddle" called
|> the "Natural-Ride".  It seems to be a heavy duty bareback pad with stirrups
|> and a "handle" that sits on the horse's withers, for stability.
|> 
|>  Looks like a fun and safe way to ride with a minimal saddle.
|> 
|>  I'd like to get the opinion of the net, before buying one.  Is it as
|> good as they say?  Is it comfortable?  For the horse?  Does the handle
|> arrangement prevent it from sliding under the belly like a bareback pad?
|> 
|>  Thanks -
|> 
|>         -Phil
|> 
|> 
|> Hi!
|> 
|> I have something like what you are describing.  Bought it mail order through
|> Chick's Saddlery.  It was described as a "bare-back pad" in their catalog.
|> 
|> I really didn't like the thing at all.  I had problems with the thing sliding
|> under the horses belly.  Impossible to try to mount using the stirrups.  The
|> ad stated that the pad was for experienced riders only.  The handle didn't 
|> seem to do much of anything except help straighten the pad out each time it
|> slid to one side or the other.  Actually, if there were a way to keep the 
|> thing stationary, I think it would have been more a more comfortable ride
|> than a saddle.  I liked it much better without the stirrups.  I guess the
|> pressure of my legs kept the thing in place.
|> 
|> This is just my opinion.  Maybe a more experienced(balanced) rider would have
|> absolutely no problem at all with the pad slipping....Anyone else?
|> 
|> Sherri

Sherri - what you are describing does not sound like a Natural-Ride.  I have a 
Natural-Ride saddle.  Got it from Colorado Saddlery.  In Oregon, as well as 
some other states, bare-back saddles are illegal.  They can no longer be sold.  
The Natural-Ride saddle was 'invented' for this reason.  It is a bare-back pad
on a saddle tree.  Mine is very sturdy and fits Reba snug, just like a saddle.
I have not had any problems with it slipping on her.  I can get on and off her
numerous times during a ride without any problems.  I absolutely love it!  It
weighs about 5 lbs (probably weighs more but compared to my regular
western saddle, it is REALLY light), and I can just throw it up on Reba and be
off riding in a matter of minutes.  I would much rather ride bareback but since
I have such a hard time getting on Reba bareback, and since bareback-pads
are no longer sold in Oregon, this Natural-Ride is ideal for me.

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Natural-Ride?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:24:54 GMT
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Sarah Pallas (pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: I'd recommend against stirrups on bareback pads.  Your weight will
: cause them to turn turtle in the worst of situations and you could be
: hurt really badly.

: Sarah Pallas

I think that the handle thing described is actually a partial tree.  If it
is, then the Natural ride functions as a saddle does in regards to stirrups.

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Rolex dates/Calendar
From: <S1L@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:38:17 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Happy New Year to all horse lovers. According to a calendar I received for
Christmas the dates for Rolex are April 23,24,25. In case you are interested,
here is some info on the calendar.

Name: Horse Classics
Produced/published by Virginia Phelps Clemens
                      4799 Lower Mountain Road
                      New Hope, Pa. 18938
                      (215) 794-5878  Mon-Sat 9 am - 5 pm

Contents: has the dates of most equine events (certainly all that I know of)
          such as; polo matches in CA & FL, Arabian and Morgan horse shows,
          Dressage festivals, Badminton & Burghley 3-day events in G.B.,
          all of the major H/J shows, saddlebred & Tennesee WH shows, reining
          cutting, Quarter-Horse congress, steeplechase events, driving
          championships, and rodeos.

          also has a monthly picture usually taken at some event, includes
          3-day event, driving, dressage, long-distance race, fox-hunt,
          a sleigh rally, miniature horses.

          In addition, there is a Riding Vacation Directory (note: these
          are paid ads) and a final page to keep medical records for your
          horse.

          List price is $10.95 for the 93 calendar,plus $2.85 for shipping.

Please note that I do not have any connection with this calendar and just
wanted to enthusiatically tell you about it.

Steve Littell
Penn State University at Schuylkill
200 University Drive
Schuylkill Haven, Pa  17972
e-mail  s1l@psuvm.psu.edu
(717) 385-6085
owner of a QH mare named Irish Sunshine
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horsey Hams- Net on Wednesday
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:51:58 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <6913@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> tim@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Tim Pointing) writes:
>In a recent article, steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) quoted
>Teresa as saying:
>>TB . Try again for next Wednesday night, Dec 16th, same times (5:45 PST, 6:45MST,
>>TB . 7:45 CST, 8:45 EST), again at 14.270 + or - 10.  I'm not quite ready to
>
>Wahhhh!! Who picked that time anyway ?! At that time, every Wednesday, I
>am tacking up a horse for my riding lesson. While I don't have any ham
>equipment, I do have a decent receiver and would like to at least try
>evesdropping ;-) I understand that we are having trouble getting people
>on the ham-net - perhaps a different night would be better (it would
>certainly be better for me ;-) How about Friday or on the weekend?
>-- 
>	  Tim Pointing, DCIEM

OK, we can try another day, since no one has put in any input for/against
Wednesday nights.  How about, say, Sunday night, at the same time-ie
5:45 PST, 6:45 MST, 7:45 CST, 8:45 EST.  Again, I'll call for the Equestrian
Net.  One more time!

					Teresa (N7KTG)
					Leo, Ari, Razzie
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From: tosca@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (marilyn.o.cole)
Subject: Free Haflinger in Northern IL
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:39:48 GMT
Keywords: mare child


I am posting this for a friend of a friend.  I know nothing more
than i'm posting here, and it would be a long distance call for
me to find out more.  So, if you're interested, please call the
owner in Kirkland, IL. (Northern IL, ~40 miles west of Chicago,
~10 miles north of De Kalb).

FREE TO GOOD HOME:

Haflinger mare, no papers
13-15 years old, about 13.3 hands
Has been ridden by child, but needs firm hand
	(Haflingers are built like tanks!)
Child has outgrown the mare
Owner doesn't think she has ever been driven
Owner: Judy Gontko, (815) 522-3580

Apologies to those of you who think this should have been
restricted to IL distribution.  After thinking about it, i
decided someone outside of IL might be interested.  Since
this is the second time i've posted this kind of notice, and
there may be more through my trainer friend, i'd welcome
comments on the advisability of restricting the distribution.

	lyn cole
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From: turowski@sophia.smith.edu (Petra Turowski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Natural-Ride?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 02:35:31 -0500
Organization: Smith College
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
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Dear Mary,
  If John doesn't want your used bareback saddle, I'd be interested.
I've been looking for a bareback pad, but I heard they all slipped 
around like that.  I guess the Natural Ride is a combination of
bareback pad and vaulting surcingle.  How much did you pay for it?
Would you take $25 for it?  Is it in fairly good condition?  Is it
fairly comfortable for you, in spite of the stiff felt?  Where did
you buy it and do you think I might be able to orger one somewhere?
Thanks for your help and best wishes for the new year.
  Petra and Lester (4-yr-old 16.2 chestnut Hanovarian), Northampton, MA

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From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Boots, boots, boots..
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 00:08:20 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

Hi Patty...

I have a similar problem... muscular calves, small feet (but extra wide
there too!).  Can you try what we call "semi-customs" ?  Most off the
rack boots can
be ordered with an extra-wide calf and can be additionally stretched by the 
tack shop.  Find a tack shop that does leather repairs and custom leather work.
You're right, cutting down the tops is easy (the pulls can be moved,
too) -- its more important to fit the calf & foot.  My current pair of
boots are Marlboros which we ordered from Millers.  My husband bought
them for me as a gift and I think we ordered them with the xtra wide
calf and they fit without additional stretching.  The previous pair I
had were Service Grand Prix boots.  They needed to be stretched just a
tad.  I'm lucky that although I'm short, my shortness is in my torso
instead of my arms and legs, so height hasn't been a problem.

My riding instructor has a pair of boots that she had altered because
her left leg is thicker (much thicker) than her right leg due to a
medical condition.  The shop put some kind of a gusset down the back of
the left boot which you cannot see when she is mounted, but allows her
to put her boots on easily.  There are many men here in the hunts that
have similar schemes for their boots, too.

I would sell your old boots rather than alter them unless they almost
fit.  You can only alter them so much and it may cost more than going
the semi-custom route. 

I'll check on current prices for used boots.

Good Luck!

Mary McHugh 
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From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Subject: Rolex info wanted
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:16:37 GMT

Can someone give me the dates of this year's Rolex 3 Day
Event in Lexington?
Also, any recommendations for hotels, restaurants, etc.
When do you need to get reservations?
Also, what is admission? Would children be interested (6 and 9 yrs)?
Are there other things going on during this?

thanks, 
Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Il.
From: micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Quarter horses
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:43:18 GMT
Reply-To: micha@moko.saar.de
Organization: Michael Bongartz, private UUCP site, Saarbruecken/Germany
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In the last years riding in 'western style' became much popular in Germany
I am interested, too and when I bought Lucky I learned with him and teach
him a little bit. But for me it is very difficult because western trainer
are very rare here and good western trainer don't exist. The nearest to
me is about 50 miles and believes only a good quarter horses will be
a good western horse and ignores all other breeds and all cheap horses
too. What a nice man ;-). 
Last year I had the pleasure to ride a good western horse and it was a 
high pleasure. So I want to know more about quarter horses about
blood lines etc. Or a good book about this theme. Here they are
very expensive, a gelding 6 - 10 years, western ridden but only 
normal lessons (no reining lessons) not under 10.000 Dollar. And I believe
this is expensive. Furthermore there don't exist so much Quarter
Horses here in Germany and the most of them are show horses, which
always lives in a stable and don't know to be ridden in a forest.
So I want to know the average price for a gelding, a quiet horse
isn't afraid of streets, has no problems if it must drive and with
the horseshoemaker ? ;-). It have not to be a show horse, only a
good friend which is easy to ride and isn't afraid, because here
are many streets etc.
I know it's difficult to speak about a average price of a horse, but
I hope I get an answer. A Girl-friend of me is interested, too and so
we have thought about to imported the horses from USA or Kanada.

Bye Claudia and Lucky

c/o micha@moko.saar.de

-- 

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From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Subject: Supply Catalog List??
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
Distribution: US
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:07:05 GMT

I am interested in obtaining a list of supply catalogs (apparel, tack,
medicines, books, trailors, supplies, etc.).

If such a list does not already exist, I would be interested in making one
that I will repost and update as needed.  So, if such a list does exist,
please e-mail it to me.  If not, send me company names, addresses, phone
numbers, hours of operation and a general description of the company and
what they sell and I will compile a list.

I think this will benefit all of us.

Thanks,

Karen

__________________________________________
Karen V. Roop
Swarthmore College Computing Center
roop@cc.swarthmore.edu
215-328-8595
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