HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gch@cypress.cis.ufl.edu (Greg Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report for St. Augustine
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:20:40 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

well hurricane Andrew totally missed us and did not give us one bit of a swell
(wrong direction and traveling too fast.)

The gulf coast did report some really good stuff:

St. Augustine, Florida:
Aug 21 Fri. : about 1 ft. and choppy
Aug 22 Sat. : about 1 ft. and choppy
Aug 23 Sun. : 2-3 ft. and really choppy wind NE 10-15
Aug 24 Mon. : 2-4 ft. and really choppy wind NE 10-20

Andrew hit florida on Sunday night.
The swell we were getting was from a low pressure and cold front off of North
Carolina so it was an early NE swell (early for this time of the year.)

Aug 25 Tues : 1-2 ft. and dieing down.

from Wed to Sunday it was basically flat again (maybe 1 ft. on the sets)

However for the gulf coast,
Panama City on Tues, Aug 25 reported 5-8 ft. (backside, about 10-16 ft. fronts)
and glassy with light offshore winds!!!
Same with all other places along the Florida panhandle.

I wish i could have gone...

One interesting note:
  Working in a surf shop, we have a surf report (basically just a answering 
machine that we put the lastest condidtions and predictions on to keep people
from calling us up every other minute asking how the surf is). When Andrew
was marching it's way toward Florida, literally HUNDREDS of people called
us (not the machine) and asked why we were saying that it was only 6 inches
to 1 ft., didn't we know that there was a hurricane out there? It seems
that once people say the word hurricane, people immediately think of HUGE
waves. Well if you actually knew about wind direction, storm direction, 
the blocking powers of the Bahamas, and a few other basic facts, you would
understand why we didn't get any swell...
   And I used to think that East Coast surfers were pretty smart when it
came to meterology (sp?).

   Even the local weatherman, on his Sun evening report said that all surfers
should "STAY AWAY FROM THE BEACHES, DUE TO HIGH WAVES." This shocked my 
girlfriend since I was surfing at the time and caused her to worry a lot.
Needlessly though, the waves were a fun shoulder high, kinda choppy, NE swell.
Not any HUGE storm surf...geesh, some people...

greg
gch@reef.cis.ufl.edu
(but all of this small waves have done wonders for my ding repair business,
 broken noses, broken fins...)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Joining the Crew (finally)
From: sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99)
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:57:22 PDT
Organization: CSLA

In article <l9klgqINN7tk@male.EBay.Sun.COM> petermac@sunol.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Hey Temple, was that a flame?  Surfing, for your
>edification, is standing on a board.  Kneeboarding,
>bodysurfing, boogie-boarding, sponging, or whatever
>else you are doing is named respectively by the 
>appropriate activity.
>
X-CUZE THE H___ OUT OF ME!!  Just trying to have some fun and a convo.. 


>I am sure she has heard of wax. Da-uh yep, I bet she
>has, really.

Ya, it is hard not to hear of wax when you know people on the pro circuit
and you grew up with all your friends that surfed, etc etc..  I just thought
I would see what the average internet 'joe' had to say.  

The funny thing about this is Mr. Temple must not have realized where I
am from but I am a lab manager at the very place he is a consultant.

We will see who flames on who........  No, that wasn't a threat....
(as she laughs hysterically)   =)

>
>Yes, bigger boards are generally easier to learn on,
>but; I might point out the bigger the board the harder
>to handle paddleing out, and pushing through waves.
>Depending on the conditions, and the size of the person
>learning.  An eight foot gun may or may not be appropriate.

Thanx for the pointers.

-99
sgenchi@calstatela.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: gonzalez2@cl4.cl.uh.edu (Gonzalez, Martin)
Subject: Andrew
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Reply-To: GONZALEZ2@cl.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston - Clear Lake
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:21:00 GMT


Swell from Andrew

   Had a surf in Galveston yesterday evening for about 2 hours.
The surf was waist to chest high,water temp.87 with light and 
variable winds, and clear skies. Surf was a building ground swell
chest high sets every 4-5 minutes. Most of the time the surf here
is generated by wind, it was a nice change to ride a storm swell
agian. Waves were smaller than I had anticapated for a hurricane, 
but still alot of fun. The waves were a little slow so I rode my
8'2" egg, lots of rides from the outside to the beach with with
multiple cutbacks and off the tops.

Marty
Uni.Houston CL
From: fieldson@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Gregory T Fieldson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:33:30 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

I can't say that I ever have successfully surfed in my contact lenses :-{,
but that isn't their fault.  I do water ski with them in, thought, and
have never had a problem (Oh, I do *try* to surf with lenses in, but
a combination of the Mid-Atlantic waves and my skill has limited things
a bit!)

I also use the disposable lenses, which reduces the fear of a major 
cash outlay in case I do lose one (has never happened to me under
any circumstances, though).

Greg Fieldson
(Once upon a time, there was a wave in Delaware...)
fieldson@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing on Hawaii
From: mtemple@calstatela.edu (Mark Temple 12-10-90)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:34:19 PDT
Reply-To: mtemple@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles


the last time i went to hawaii i got a fly drive deal, car and airfare 
for one price.  was a great deal, got a shiny new geo tracker 4wd with a 
a little sticker that said " do not drive this vehicle off the pavement"
  never went off the paved roads (wicked grin  :-) )


 found places on the beach to sleep, either on the beach
 or in the car. paid for food and gas only for 5 days. might bring a 
 light blanket but not a sleeping bag, too hot

  keep ridin the waves

LA Sponger
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing in Munich (Re; Stationnary waves) + surf report
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
>a fried out combi.....
   ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^
A fried out WHAT? A fried out WHICH? HUH, what is a COMBI and is there
a vaccine for it? Teach this Seppo, please.  You Sheep shaggers have
some bizzare words.
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
   \___________________________
			     \\
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing in Munich (Re; Stationnary waves) + surf report
Summary: COMBI
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:25:38 GMT

In article <24226@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
> In alt.surfing, mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
> >a fried out combi.....
>    ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^
> A fried out WHAT? A fried out WHICH? HUH, what is a COMBI and is there

Brian, Brian, Brian
 B-)
A combi is a VW van.  That was the model name from way back
when.  IMHO the truest and most enduring surf vehicle.
Sorry for the emotion, but a friend just "fried out" my '71 engine.
Can you tell that there aren't any waves here at Scripps.

tod

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   | 
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: cnquinn@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Clark Quinn)
Subject: A bit of a rant/rave...
Reply-To: cnquinn@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Clark Quinn)
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:09:44 GMT

While answering the net poll on surf movies, I started talking about
one and thought it might be worth subjecting you all to, in the
interests of 'stir'ring up a little debate.  I've had a touch of the
flu, and of course that meant there was a bit of swell (told you, Lud),
so you could put this all down to the 'no-surf blues' (although I'm
feeling healthy now and that swell may still be happening tomorrow,
I'll keep you posted), but I think it's worth considering...

>Honorable mention (for those movies you just HAVE TO include):

 North Shore - "What?!" you say, "that's a turkey!".  Yes, but there is
 ONE redeeming feature of that movie, and I don't mean the bimbo.  The
 notion of progressing through the history of surf as a method of
 learning surfing is an interesting idea.  Not new, not even
 necessarily good, but interesting.  There's something to be said for
 every frogsquat shortboard surfrat taking some time to ride a
 longboard ("mal"), or even an egg ("mini-mal"?) and learning some of
 the *elegance* of surfing.  I sure bemoan the total transition from
 any sense of style to the thrash-or-burn mentality.  And while it's
 easy to second-guess me now and blame it on my advancing years and
 decreasing flexibility, I felt the same way in '76 when I was surfing
 for UCSD.  That's when I felt it changed.  

-- Clark

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           "A California Yankee in the Land of Oz"
From: axman
Subject: Re: Contact lenses in the surf?
Reply-To: aksurf.caltech.edu
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:23:43 GMT

In article <18453.2a9bf2a8@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9126287n@levels.unisa.edu.au
writes:
>
>I'd like to know if any surfers out there wear contact lenses while
>surfing. An eye specialist advised me that they would be okay, but
>I'd like to know whether they can handle it.
>
>So if there are surfers who have similar problems, please reply. On yeah,
>I'm using contacts for short-sightedness for 'out-of-surf' use.
>
>Kevyn Lee
>Uni.of South Oz
>Australia
>
>
>				OCCY RIPS !!!
>

There is a new type of eye treatement out there which would be great for
surfers. The principle is very much like retainers for teeth. One has to wear a
series of contact lenses which reshape the lens of the eye. This goes on for
about six months. Then, after 6 months, one has to wear special cont act lenses
every day for only three hours. The rest of the day, the contacts are removed,
and one has perfect vision.So out in the water, you'll have 20/20 vision
without contacts or glasses. 

The only problem is that if you don't wear them at all, eventually, the eye
returns to its original shape, and you have to start from scratch. 

I don't know the name of the treatement, but as soon as I get it, I'll post the
information.I am thinking of trying it myself since I can't see worth shit
without glasses, and contacts in the water are dangerous because of infections,
and sand which can get caught in between the eye and the contact.


Tchao!

                            Axman
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Buffalo Kealoha (sp?) on ESPN
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:40:01 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I'm itchin to surf so bad man..........3 days just 3 days to go.......

ESPN advertized the "Buffalo Kealoha Longboard Contest" for last night.
What a dissapointment. They showed about 5 min of the longboard contest
and the rest of the hour was outrigger canoe surfing, tandem longboarding,
tandem bodyboarding, and "Bullyboarding". The bullyboarding was sponging
on extra large sponges. The catch was, the competitors must weigh over
250 lb. The weigh in was pretty funny, big 'ol Hawaiian budda boys shakin
their bacon.  The tandem longboarding was interesting for the first
few minutes, and the canoe surfing was boring (they showed the most
of that).  The best part of the show was the highlights of the Aikau
brothers and Brian Kealoha surfing the North Shore.  They talked about
Hawaiian Style big wave riding and their respect for the power of the
ocean.  Rabbit Kekai was entered in the longboard contest even though
he is over 70 years old. He looked pretty good for anyone, not just for
an old man. The contest was held on Makaha Beach O'ahu.
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
   \___________________________
			     \\
From: g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant/rave...
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:31:08 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

Clarkee writes:

[ranting and raving deleted] > There's something to be said for
> every frogsquat shortboard surfrat taking some time to ride a
> longboard ("mal"), or even an egg ("mini-mal"?) and learning some of
> the *elegance* of surfing.  I sure bemoan the total transition from
> any sense of style to the thrash-or-burn mentality.  And while it's
> easy to second-guess me now and blame it on my advancing years and
> decreasing flexibility, I felt the same way in '76 when I was surfing
> for UCSD.  That's when I felt it changed.  

I remember reading something about Martin Potter riding a single
fin longer board ONLY as preparation for a major contest. The idea was that
it encourages a good short board surfing style. For myself, riding a longer
board helped my cutties. Weighting back just before you turn,
necesary on a longer board, helps for a good cutty. This helps getting
the board turning and you can then weight onto the front foot as you go 
through the turn for power.


>-- Clark 
>           "A California Yankee in the Land of Oz"
 -- Jim
            "An ovine Homo sapien in the land of Oz"
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: sex and relationships (was Re: Implied sexual obligations of monogamy)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:29:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <ICE.92Aug28003753@netcom.Netcom.COM> ice@netcom.Netcom.COM (I. Chris English) writes:
+In article <MUFFY.92Aug14174910@remarque.berkeley.edu>
+muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
+>  That is, if I'm seeing A and A starts to
+>see B, and B tells A not to have sex with me, then B has some control
+>over me, since I'd like to have sex with A and now cannot.
+
+What if the resource in question isn't fidelity, but time?  Now B AND
+A have control because they limit the amount of time that A has
+available to spend with me.

This whole problem can be transposed into the 'Dining Philosophers
Problem' or maybe Cana Trimalchi(sp) is a better problem setting.
Just pass the token around to regulate screwing, talking, and
'spending time'.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Announcing alt.personals.poly
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:39:44 GMT
Organization: Two strange people in Forest Grove, OR

The newsgroup alt.personals.poly has been created.  I will fire up the a.p.p
anonymous contact service in a day or two, to allow the newgroup message time
to propagate.

-- 
John Opalko

john@n7kbt.rain.com  -or-  wi.5327@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Subject: Re: why *seek* (additional) relationships?
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 20:14:50 GMT


[Alan Hardy]:
>
>I've only ever heard four (now five) people express this sentiment
>before, and all four were attractive, personable women in
>male-dominated professions.  They apparently believed that one doesn't
>need to make an active effort to look for potential partners---you
>just run into them all the time.

Well, now you've heard six.  And I'm not an "attractive, personable
wom[a]n".  (Sigh.)  And while I don't run into really nifty people
"all the time", it happens frequently enough that I have no complaints.

-- PTD --
-- 
Palmer T. Davis      ___
<ptd2@po.cwru.edu>   \X/   cthread.  cthread_fork().  Fork, thread, fork!
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: reactions to polyamory
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:18:21 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
>>>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>><Short tale of describing alt.polyamory to a chance acquaintance deleted>
>>   OK, I didn't indicate the dripping malice in their tone well enough.
>>It left no doubt that they wished I and all my kind would go someone
>>very far away from them indeed.
>
>Ah, the "What!? You fuck small fuzzy woodland creatures before
>breakfast!?" tone of voice.

   You got it.


>Ok, next question is, why did you bother to restrain Karina?

   Oh, I didn't restrain her from having a go at this @$#^%! intolerant
so-and-so...it was more that (I think) we both pretty much decided that

(1) It was a friend's birthday party, and they were wandering around saying
it was the best party they'd had in over a decade, and

(2) Wouldn't gave acheived anything anyway. The closed-minded person had
the sort of intolerance that only comes from *years* of training &
indoctrination.

   We were also pretty much in shock - it was quite startling and
scary to have someone be so against it as soon as they understood the
subject.

>Sounds like this person deserved a good in-person flaming.

   No doubts about that! We did regret not politely & simply asking them
if they were bigotted about other issues too...


>Besides, watching such a session
>when someone really deserved it can be fun!

   <sigh> I'm usually one for a fight on these sorts of issues, but
lately I just haven't had it in me.

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Announcing alt.personals.poly
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:57:02 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca writes:
>john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) writes:
>> The newsgroup alt.personals.poly has been created.  I will fire up the a.p.p
>> anonymous contact service in a day or two, to allow the newgroup message time
>> to propagate.
>
>And a cheer was heard throughout poly.land, "Hooray!"  Long live the ACS. :)
>Three cheers for John!!

   Hip hip hooray! 8->

   But...I've already fallen in love *twice* over the net just in the
last month...I don't think I'd get *any* work done once a.p.p gets
started... 8->

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: rethinking polyamory
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:24:30 GMT
Organization: savage hackers
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com


  Talking with some people who were in fairly monogomous relationships
lately, I came upon something I had seen before, but it made me think a
bit... they said that their SO was originally against polyamory, but
after talking about it (and often having the SO get *very* angry and
upset and weirded out in general) and in general refusing it, the SO's
would meet someone that *they* found interesting, and then start to
rethink it.  "Hey, maybe this isn't so bad..." kind of thing.  I think
it's interesting when people get a new idea, one that they've never
really thought before.  It often makes them defensive and angry,
especially if it goes against the traditional ideas.  But then once the
seed has been planted, it's really amazing to see it (sometimes) grow.
Have other people seen this, especially WRT poly attitudes?  Not seeing
the people in question behave over a long period of time, I don't know
if they *really* want poly stuff, or just think it'd be fun to have a
fling with some single person, or what... I'm naturally suspicious of a
quick fix, but perhaps people are more open to things that I generally
think (I doubt it, though :-))  In any case, it'll be interesting to see
the results in the long run.  Someone reading over my shoulder said that
they had seen this type of thing just by discussing the issue, with no
other person involved to interest the SO.  Hmm.  Well, I'm certainly
less suspicious of something like that.  Ideas are powerful things,
people are weak things.  *laugh*  But I'm a cynic.

 Thoughts?

 -- d
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:31:25 EDT
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Starting new relationships - intimacy problem

In article <92234.221618SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>, Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
says:
>
>I'm in a stable, long-term relationship.  Because of this, I tend to
>want to slip into intimacy with other people faster than they're able
>or willing to do so.
>
>he's participated in Relationship Enhancement Therapy before,
>so I know he is interested in achieving honest relationships
>with people.

Well, I took a chance with it and explained my fears to him.
He seems to have taken that really well, and agreed that he
liked honest relationships.

So far, the relationship appears to be going well.  :-)

-Sonja
P.S.  Ok, so following up to your own post is a little strange...

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