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From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: i is for iteration
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:49:05 GMT

In article <sfLUOaa00axfA392sq@andrew.cmu.edu>, Geoffrey Spear <gspear+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>	I have never programmed in FORTRAN, and I always tended to use X and Y
>for loop control in BASIC.  I did the same thing when I first learned C,
>but after taking Pascal in high school (taught by a guy who used Fortran
>many, many years ago), all of the examples used letters in the I-N group
>(although he tended to use K most often, not I, but probably for the
>same reasons). Now that it's been mentioned here, I do tend to use k as
>a loop control variable in C since having taken this course.  So if old
>FORTRAN programmers keep teaching like this, and then their students
>become teachers, using "i" and other letters in the I-N sequence will
>probably continue forever.

Well, we ever disregard this long tradition I recommend starting 
the loops with j. (Why? Because it doesn't show up in any of the
commonly used commands, and I haven't found it in many of my 
mnemonic variable names, so it's easy to do a search on.)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ray, just Ray)
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Organization: Boeing Computer Services Northwest Operations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:54:41 GMT

mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) also writ:
>wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) writ:
>>saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Me, just Me) wrote:
>>
>>>- $rm -r /
>>
>>Or, slightly better:
>>   #rm -rf /
>
>Or, even better:
>
>    # find . -name "*" -exec rm {} \; -print | mail root -s "oops!"
              -type -f

     Except, one must make it a script to protect from removing /bin/test,
     /bin/[, /bin/rm, blase', blase', blase' ...
-- 
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P.O. Box 24346 M/S 2L-21      /__//  //__  /  /\ //  _   does his crossword
Seattle, WA  98124-0346 USA  /__//__//__ _/_ /  //__/    with a pen"   Tori
saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com    Computer Services       "Hello Earth!" KaTe
From: aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been playing games too long when...
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: Arlie Davis <aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Organization: University of Louisville

In <kenc.728061180@sol> kenc@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ken Corey - Operator) writes:

> I can see where this is leading:
> "It's _not_ programmers that kill people, the users just won't quit!"
> Or possibly:
> "Ban user friendliness!  The life you save may be your own!"

My favorite systems are user-hostile, or user-sulky.

> mega *8^)

Of course!

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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 18 Jan 1993 10:23:20 EST
From: Alexandre Pechtchanski <APPMS@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Anyone care to brag?
Distribution: na
 <samw.727122818@bucket>

In article <samw.727122818@bucket>, samw@bucket.rain.com (Sam Warden) says:
>
>bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) writes:
>>>     Those who can, do.  Those who can't, teach.  Those who can't
>
>         The joke is somewhat a self-fulfilling prophesy as
>things stand, here in the U.S.  I wonder, is it heard elsewhere?
>samw@bucket.rain.com (Sam Warden) -- and not a mere Device.

Yes, as a matter of fact I heard it in Russia very long ago (more than
twenty years for sure), and Russia was never thought to be hard on
teachers - quite the opposite.  Seems like these jokes don't relate
to attitude.  It's more in line with old russian saying "He won't
spare his own daddy for snappy word" - I mean that you can find
such jokes for _any_ profession or occupation, no matter how respected
or even revered.

Just my $0.02
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From: paulf@abercrombie.Stanford.EDU (Paul Flaherty)
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:27:49 GMT

gugler-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Gugler) writes:
>It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
>strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
>exercise for your kill-file.

Without KILL files, life itself would be impossible.

-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "...but I thought I was voting for 'Bill the Cat'!"
->paulf@Stanford.EDU   |                                 -- A Confused Voter
From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:48:56 GMT
Distribution: world
Nf-ID: #1:
Nf-From: SMILE IF YOU HACK UNIX

In article <73925@cup.portal.com> sunday@cup.portal.com (Sunday and Associates) writes:
>	We are preparing a commercial release of T-shirts intended for
>the Usenet civilization and related societies. We would like to solicit
>your thoughts about what *saying*, slogan, one-liner, joke (including
>visual) you would like to see on a t-shirt. 
>	Remember there is a front and a back to any shirt.
>	If something you suggest is used we'd make a contribution to a
>charity of your choice.

#1:
			SMILE IF YOU HACK UNIX

#2:
                        I'M A HACKER AND I'M OK
                      (*crackers* are the criminals)

#3:
                               /dev/null

-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: VIC-20 returns!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:59:08 GMT

[minor editing for the humor impaired]

>>Where does one get large amounts of rubber air? [:) :) :) :)]


-- 
Jason Balicki | kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: amanda@wam.umd.edu (Me again)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been playing games too long when...
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Jan25.193307.44710@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>I have dreamed playing Tetris - I was doing quite well. THe only
>problem was that I suspected my mind was not selecting the blocks to
>drop at random...
>
>I have also played my current addiction, Minesweeper, in my mind while
>dreaming. I didn't do as well as I normally do.

Ayiieee!

Does this mean i'm going to start dreaming Minesweeper?

I've already found myself wondering if there's some way i can play it on 
paper when i'm bored in class....
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: rogerj@aix.rpi.edu (Diversion (Jeff Rogers))
Subject: Re: You know you've been playing games too long when...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:19:27 GMT

ina_craig@actew.oz.au (Craig Alexander) writes:

>In article <_dm3jvq@rpi.edu>, jonesr2@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Kazrak) writes:
>> Today, I determined that I've been playing Lemmings too long.  How?  Well,
>> when my fiancee and I were approaching the door to her building and I was
>> trying to figure out how one of us could unlock the door without the other
>> bouncing off and heading in the other direction, I figured I was a goner.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Roger "Kazrak" Jones, Jr. is: jonesr2@rpi.edu, userham1@rpitsmts.bitnet
>> "The line between good and evil, hope and despair, does not divide the world
>> between 'us' and 'them.'  It runs down the middle of each one of us."
>>                                                 -Robert Fulghum

>I have heard stories of the game Tetris affecting people like this but much
>more severely. Some people have said that they have gotten to the stage where
>they can play tetris in their heads without needing a computer. 

Reminds me of the Nintendo ads ("When things start being blocks before your
eyes, you've been Tetricized" or something like that)

A similar thing happened to me with some driving game that I don't remember
the name of (I thing it was called grand prix or something similar; between
stages you could buy things like a bumper, a front engine, a rear engine,
radial tires, racing slicks, etc; I'm sure someone can tell me the name).
One distinctive thing in the game is that your car would start roughly in
the center of the screen and get nearly to the edge before the screen would
start scrolling. 
I got to the point in the game where I could go through the entire game once
on one quarter (and about half a dozen screens more, depending on my luck
and the phase of the moon). Then my vision started acting like the scrolling
in the game. I would turn my head or move my eyes, and the point that my
eyes focused on would get very close to the edge of my field of vision
before my field of vision started to move. 
Probably just some trick my mind was playing on me, but it was kinda freaky
for a bit.

Diversion


-- 
"I can see 'em                          | "Want me to create a diversion?"
    I can see 'em                       | Diversion
        Someone wake me when it's over" | rogerj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: regebro@stacken.kth.se (Lennart Regebro)
Subject: Computerized sleep. (Was: You know you've been playing games too...)
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:53:26 GMT

In article <NICKEL.93Jan25225602@tempest.cs.tu-berlin.de> nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de writes:
>Some time when I played Tetris excessively, I dreamt of it (and I did
>*not* give me the perfectly fitting pieces in my dream). 

Some time after buying my first computer I had the interesting experince of
dreaming in BASIC. It made strange dreams...
-- 
Lennart Regebro             regebro@stacken.kth.se
Stacken Computer Club       +46-8 649 18 51
Don`t call before calculating my local time, please. This is GMT +1.
From: eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: You know you've been sending too much mail when...
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:10:02
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyssa.cs.rose-hulman.edu

...you're writing Scheme, and it starts looking like

	(load "matrix.ss":)
	(define a 'foo ;)

--
Todd Eigenschink (eigenstr@CS.Rose-Hulman.Edu)
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN
"That's the provably optimal kludge...because it seems like it."--Joel Klein
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: VIC-20 returns!
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:56:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.122919.21205W@viper.edb.tih.no>, terjej@edb.tih.no (Terje Johansen,o90b) writes:
>As a joke and as a remembrance of my first computer-days,
>I bought a VIC-20 with a cassette-player yesterday.
>Any ideas what I can use it for, except for doorstop and to scare 
>the shit out of future grandchildren?
>
>I was thinking of maybe connect it to some device, like a simple 
>window-alarm circuit with a bell or something. Anybody done something
>like this?
>
>Hell, humorous suggestions will also be appreciated - just remember
>that with 3.5k Ram there are SOME limits to what can be done...
>
>-- 
I have fond memories of my VIC-20 (The first computer I owned).
  I gave it away to a friend's teenaged son, who now thinks I must
  be a saint. (versus nothing, it has remarkable capabilities)
Aside from that, with the proper hardware, it can be used as one
  of those intelligent house environment controllers. (Turn down the
  heat at night, turn on the water heater 1/2 hour before I use it,
  but remember I get up at different times weekdays, weekends, and 
  holidays, allow extra time for the house to heat if the outside
  temperature is TOO cold . . . ) Even when they were still selling
  them, they were cheaper than the dedicated controller units.
From: andor@inode.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: NAUTILUS
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:40:20 EST
Reply-To: andor@inode.com
Distribution: world
Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146)

 -=> Quoting Don@zl2tnm.gen.nz to News <=-

 Do> andor@inode.com writes:
 >  Well, on some VAX computers there are console commands like "POWER OFF". 
 >  And you can only do that after doing a system shutdown, preferably by
 >  using the SHUTDWN command procedure, which closes all the files in an
 >  orderly fashion, and can take 5 or 10 minutes to complete.
 Do> No, you only have to halt the CPU.  And there's always the big switch.

True. You can always hit the switch or CONTROL-P and then type HALT, but the
right way is to run shutdown. 


 Do> When the Nautilus processors were a "big machine" (ie 6 mips meant
 Do> something), there was a certain thrill in typing "POWER OFF" and
 Do> hearing the nice <Thunk> of the breaker cutting power to the CPU.  

And that was only 5 years ago or so. 
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
#! rnews 8
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: VIC-20 returns!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:20:18 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>I have fond memories of my VIC-20 (The first computer I owned).
>  I gave it away to a friend's teenaged son, who now thinks I must
>  be a saint. (versus nothing, it has remarkable capabilities)
>Aside from that, with the proper hardware, it can be used as one
>  of those intelligent house environment controllers. (Turn down the
>  heat at night, turn on the water heater 1/2 hour before I use it,
>  but remember I get up at different times weekdays, weekends, and 
>  holidays, allow extra time for the house to heat if the outside
>  temperature is TOO cold . . . ) Even when they were still selling
>  them, they were cheaper than the dedicated controller units.

You can do a lot with the serial output port of that machine, but if
you're going to use it for switching I strongly suggest you be
careful.  I believe the documentation says that the serial output port
can support up to a 100mW draw; it's serious about that and you can
break things if you exceed it.

I built a phone dialer into mine, running a relay off of one of the
output lines to manage on-hook/off-hook and wired the sound output
into the microphone so I could generate dialing sequences (it was fun
multiplexing the single voice to get the two-tone necessary to dial).
Unfortunately I must've screwed up something at some point because I
blew the motherboard.  It may have been that the relay was too great a
draw, but I never knew for sure.  After I toasted my VIC I bought a
C-64 and didn't bother playing with it like that anymore.

(This brings back fond memories of Ma Bell. :-)

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf)
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:18:02 GMT

In article <1kFxkp#63KbfC9jdVtf5SPfqc4Hf8Wq=esr@snark.thyrsus.com> esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
>
>   In article <73925@cup.portal.com> sunday@cup.portal.com (Sunday and Associates) writes:
>   >	We are preparing a commercial release of T-shirts intended for
>   >the Usenet civilization and related societies. We would like to solicit
>   >your thoughts about what *saying*, slogan, one-liner, joke (including
>   >visual) you would like to see on a t-shirt. 
>
>   #3:
>				  /dev/null
>

One of the Hotel-Room-Bookstore-at-USENIX types (James Joyce??? anyone
remember??)  had a run of tee shirts a few years ago. One of my
favorites was

                                  /nev/dull

Perhaps you could get permission if anyone can remember the originator.

					Skip Egdorf
					hwe@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Organization: SCTC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:50:07 GMT

adam@owlnet.rice.edu (Adam Justin Thornton) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.195449.7728@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>>How did they bury Tom Watson?
>>
>>Face down, 12-edge forward.
>>
>>(One for the old.farts)

>Isn't it "Face down, nine-edge first ?"

[.sig deleted]

Depends on the TAB/PCAM/EAM machine in question :-)

Earl

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From: nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys
Subject: Re: HISTORY OF WORD PROCESSING
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:54:58 GMT
Organization: STONE Project, Technical University of Berlin, Germany
	<1993Jan15.173341.3969@wam.umd.edu>
	<1993Jan24.075244.27275@spectrum.CMC.COM>
	<C1HBFM.CEu@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
Reply-To: nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.cs.tu-berlin.de
In-reply-to: wex@cs.ulowell.edu's message of Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:54:57 GMT

In article <C1HBFM.CEu@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul
M. Wexelblat) writes:

> Can anybody date WordStar (no jokes please) I know the original
> was done by J. R. Barnaby on an Imsai (I think) but don't
> remember when; surely the first PC Word Processing Program.

My memory is vague, but wasn't "Electric [or Electronic] Pencil" on
the Apple ][ the first word processing program on a PC?

--
Juergen Nickelsen
From: adam@owlnet.rice.edu (Adam Justin Thornton)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:43:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milo's Meadow

In article <1993Jan26.195449.7728@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>How did they bury Tom Watson?
>
>Face down, 12-edge forward.
>
>(One for the old.farts)

Isn't it "Face down, nine-edge first ?"

Adam
-- 
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 Be true to yourself and the Grateful Dead." --Joan Baez  | 64,928 | fthagn!
"Very often, a common stone, thrown away and despised, is worth more than
 a cow." -- Paracelsus | If these were Rice's opinions I'd shoot myself.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: "Emoticon" and Webster's
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:40:22 GMT

greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss) writes:
| dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
| 
| >On Sunday, I heard an interview with the editor of the Random House
| >dictionary (is that now New Webster's?).  When asked for an example of a
| >word that is in the process of moving from jargon to general use, he
| >chose "emoticon", citing recent NYT and WSJ articles.  Expect to see it
| >in the next edition.
| 
| How, by the way, is "emoticon" pronounced?  "Emoti-con" or "emot-icon"?

The editor in question put primary stress on the first "o" and secondary
on the second "o".  He barely pronounced the "e", but that may just have
been the phone.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Shine out, fair sun, with all your heat!  Black winter freezes to his seat...
The boneless fish close quaking lies...the stars in icicles arise!
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: Noisey computers
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:56:36 GMT

azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine) writes:

>Im sitting here with my computer on, and I happen to have my amplifer
>on at the same time (keying in some MIDI sequences thru my digital 
>keyboard), so I decided to take a break, and read some news. Anytime
>any text gets dumped to my screen, I can hear 'something' on the
>amp (or perhaps, its when anything comes across the modem?)

>I figured that if things were FCC class B certified (or is it A?)
>that things shouldnt do stuff like this? Cant be the hard drive
>box I built, as I know thats probably really noisey and besides, 
>just watching the screen scroll doesnt cause disk access...

I think you're misunderstanding the function of the Class B (residential
use) certification.  It doesn't make any pretense of saying that the
computer or whatever has *no* RF radiation, only that what does escape
the box is below certain rather tight limits.

If someone chooses to have nearby a device which is particularly sensitive
to low-level RF signals, that isn't considered to be the fault of the
device which emits the RF as long as its output is within the Class B
limits.  This last condition is the point raised in previous threads that
many users take a Class B computer and add or change things in it which
cause its RF output to exceed these limits.

In complaints involving amateur radio operators supposed interference
with neighbors' TV reception it isn't at all uncommon to find that the
problem is that the TV set is operating so poorly that any RF in the
vicinity will cause interference.

Your problems could be either excessive RFI from the PC, or it could be in
the keyboard, the cable to the amplifier, or the amplifier itself.  On
the assumption that it might be the connecting cable (which can serve
as an all-too-efficient antenna) you might want to check carefully the 
connections and shielding, and make sure that you haven't somehow defeated
the grounding of any of the components.

Joe Morris / MITRE
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jje@vti.com (Jeremy J. Epstein)
Subject: DECsystem-10 users handbook
Keywords: Available
Organization: Virtual Technologies Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:27:14 GMT

My brother and I were cleaning up the basement the other day and
happened across a copy of the "decsystem10 users handbook",
second edition (July 1972).  This is a true classic.  The table
of contents lists:
	introduction
		software
		timesharing
		beginners batch
		teco (intro)
	reference
		teco
		lined
		pip
		commands
		index
DEC-10 gurus will note that the entire front cover and index is
lower case, as was the style.

It still has the original business reply card in the back, to ask
for other hot sellers like the "PDP-10 User's Bookshelf".  I'm
tempted to send it in...

Anyway, I can't decide whether to save it for old-time's sake
(I spent several years hacking PDP-10s running TOPS-10 and TOPS-20),
or offer it to a good home.  If you know what DDT originally stood
for, and why it was said that TECO was indistinguishable from line
noise, you may be the lucky winner!  If you're interested, send me
an email, and I'll select a suitably worthy new owner.
-- 
Jeremy Epstein		jje@vti.com or epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com
#include <favorite-disclaimer.h>
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From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Subject: Re: What one-liner, joke, saying would you like to see on a T-shirt
Reply-To: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:59:25 GMT



I wrote a program in LISP once...



It wrote back to me.



Randy@raven.alaska.edu
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