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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Homage to Elizabeth Moon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:20:22 GMT

This posting is dedicated to Elizabeth Moon, the Meryl Streep of science
fiction, who can write sf superbly in at least five different styles.

1) Space opera. Ugh, but she does it well.

2) "Arty" science fiction that smells of English teachers, for F&SF.
Double ugh, but she does it well again.

3) Jerry Pournelle/Robert Heinlein libertarian hard science fiction, for
Destinies (?). I'd pay my $5 for a whole book of this kind of stuff, but
I'd sell the book after I read it.

4) Tolkein. Maybe I'm weird, but I like "The Deed of Paksenarrion"
better than the Ring trilogy. 

I don't think that "Surrender None" and "Liar's Oath" are quite, quite
as good. But maybe Meryl Streep wouldn't want to play a Danish baroness
for five movies. 

5) Elizabeth Moon. Writing as herself,
in the short story "When Nudity Offends You." Small town south, with
just a small, artfully applied amount of science fiction.
The best of all. I wish the realities of publishing would let her do
more of this.

By the way, after reading about orcs in Moon and Tolkein, some may
wonder if these superbly depicted creatures have any basis in reality.
But those of us who attend or work at the University of Illinois, which
has the largest fraternity system in the country, have no questions
about this subject.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: jt8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (James Terman)
Subject: Re: SF about doing science ?
Reply-To: jt8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (James Terman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:35:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.011751.14853@qualcomm.com> rskirsky@athena.qualcomm.com (Ray Skirsky) writes:
>In article <doom.702690387@elaine5.Stanford.EDU>
>             doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
>
>>I want to ask here for recommendations for "science" fiction
>>stories that are actually about the social process of doing
>>science, as opposed to engineering (or psuedo-scientific
>>magic or mysticism, for that matter).   
>

Gregory Benford's (nebula winning) Timescape is a good example of this.  Much
of the book is devoted to a scientist trying to figure out an anamolous result
in this experiment.  As Benford is a real live working scientist the account
rings very true (at to me in my limited experience as a graduate student :-).



| James L. Terman "Future Dead White Male" | Science may set limits to know-  |
| jt8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu               | ledge, but should not set limits |
| JLT%CUTHRY.BITNET@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu  | to imagination.		      |
|					   | 		   - Bertrand Russell |
From: jdeitch@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: <None>
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:37:34 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:

> "The Door into Sunset" is scheduled to be published in hardcover by
> Corgi, in the U.K., in May of this year.  You can probably special-order
> a copy through a good bookstore... it'll be expensive, though.  [I don't
> know _how_ expensive, as that will depend on the dollar/pound exchange
> rate at the time.  I didn't ask price when I ordered a copy... some
> things, you just _do_!]

Ok ... what's the ISBN # so *I* can go splurge a little for the UK economy ...

- Jonathan
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From: potter@csusac.ecs.csus.edu (Carl Kolchak)
Subject: Hamblytrax  (was:  Sun-Cross )
Followup-To: /dev/null
Summary: hang loose, she's too young to have died of a heart attack
Keywords: what happened to the older mage? expect him back in 3rd book!
Organization: INS, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:33:42 GMT

Yan Choon Ee asked:

> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
> From: yane@fraser.sfu.ca (Yan Choon Ee)
> Subject: Sun-Cross
> Summary: When's the next book coming out?
> Keywords: Barbara Hambly Sun-Cross
> Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:01:29 GMT
> Hi all!  Does anybody have any idea when the next book of
> the Sun-Cross series (by Barbara Hambly) is coming out?  She's
> usually pretty good about putting out her books in quick succession
> (unlike some other series), but it's been two or three months
> since the second book was read and gathering dust...
> By the way, is she working on anything else?
   
   Internal copyright dates were September '91 for "RAINBOW ABYSS" and 
   February '92 for "MAGICIANS OF NIGHT."    If they hold that kind of 
   spacing, expect the third in JULY....
 
   Seriously, you can look up LOCUS or SF TIMES printers' schedules and
   find out when it's coming out, or *supposed* to be coming out.  
   Considering the lead time on paperback printing, it's probably 
   done and proofread, and waiting in the queue for a free shot at a 
   batch of printing presses somewhere.
 
   Hambly has sometimes delayed years, however; the third Sunwolf/Starhawk
   book was written years after "THE LADIES OF MANDRIGYN" and "THE WITCHES
   OF WENSHAR." 
 
   In the current case, I hope she's done as thorough a job of research
   as the first two books indicated, and I also confess to a yearning
   to see her, just *once*, pull off a series with an actual climax at
   the end, instead of an out-of-the-hat washout.  However, the 
   sheer quality of her work, and the enjoyability of her writing style,
   will continue to sell me her books even if she begins to indulge in 
   Zelazny-style "wait for the next book" endings.

   Is she working on anything else?   One hopes so.
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re:  The Annotated X-men Vol 1 (#120 - 129)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 13:57:43 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine


	Sorry about the cross-post.  I edited the Newsgroups line,
but the @#$%ing news software put it back in.  It won't happen again.
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From: vest@novavax.UUCP (Steven Vest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Asimov Dies
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:15:27 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Peter_L_Zavon.Wbst843@XEROX.COM writes:

>At 8:30 this morning, National Publik Radio was reporting that Isaac Asimov
>died today.  I didn't catch the rest of the short announcement.


I'm sure this "being dead" business wont  slow him down too much.  I bet
he still publishes 8-10 books this year. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
:) :) :) :) :) :)

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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Steven Brust
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:52:45 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr08.080558.29391@kithrup.COM> sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:

>I WANT MORE BRUST!  Wish he could clone himself and work on two books at
>once 8-).

I thought Brust *had* cloned himself. Why else would Jerry Boyajian look
exactly like Brust?


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                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
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From: bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Chris Claremont's _First_Flight_
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	I'm curious about people's opinions on the above book.  I
picked it up at a whim and nearly became immediately disappionted
with it.  (I did not notice until later about Claremonet was,
"...the writer of Marvel Comics' X-men"...ack...)
	The cover has absolutely nothing to do with the book
(although the back cover is closer).  The blurb inside is a bit
closer.  Once through the book, I felt a bit cheated.  In fact, I
felt as if I was reading a science fiction romance in many ways.  I
have no idea if it was intentional, but the style reminded me of a
several of my friend's romance (trash) books...
	In fact, with a little augmentation, one could have written
this on the back of the book:

	"Bear Ciari was a member of the ________ [insert whatever
military group he's in here].  He thought no one could turn his
heart until he met Nicole Shea, the beautiful pilot of their space
vessel..."  (etc)

	Not a bad read (heck, I finished it in under 2 hours), but
sadly this idea has been done much better before...
From: dant@logos.wr.tek.com (Dan Tilque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: humorous science fiction
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:00:40 GMT
Organization: Upper Left Coast Liberation Army


Re: humorous sf in general, someone has made up a list in response to the
same question.  Perhaps they've lost net access.

xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>
>One suggestion I haven't seen here is Poul Anderson.  While he's better
>known for hard SF and his well researched semi-historical fantasies, he
>has done several top notch humorous books as well.  Titles that spring
>to mind are _THE HIGH CRUSADE_ (a group of mediaeval knights are
>hijacked by aliens and end up doing very well for themselves), _THREE
>HEARTS AND THREE LIONS_ (a WWII freedom fighter in Europe finds himself
>fighting a new war in the land of Faerie), and there are several more.

While 3 Hearts & 3 Lions is very good, I don't think it belong in the
category "humorous sf".  While it starts off with a fairly light tone, it
certainly doesn't end with one.

3H&3L is a good example of high fantasy with absolutely no Tolkien
influence.  Anderson wrote it back in the 50s and obviously had not
read LotR before writing it.

Tilque's observation:  It's vitually impossible for anyone to mention
one of _The High Crusade_ or _Three Hearts and Three Lions_ on the net
(or in fannish conversation anywhere) without mentioning the other.  If
someone fails to mention both, it's inevitable that someone else will
followup and say "don't forget about <whichever one wasn't mentioned>".

---
Dan Tilque	--	dant@logos.WR.TEK.COM

P.S. Alas, my observation is not as general or as succinct as Godwin's
law, but it's the best I can do.
From: WADDELL@knox.BITNET ("Glenn Waddell Jr.")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: I know this should be off list, but ....
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:57:00 GMT

Hello all,
  I am sorry to post this to the list, but another subscriber in Germany
sent me a request via personal mail and I cannot send anything back to him.
The person is
              mike@bastet.palme
and if anyone could offer some help in getting a looong list of books to
him I would be very grateful.

  Thank you in advance.

Glenn Waddell Jr.
(waddell@knox.bitnet)

P.S. This is why you have not heard from me Mike, I cannot reach you from
here.  :-(
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Isaac Asimov: 1920-1992
Keywords: Sob!
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:53:38 GMT

julie england <england@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.195721.6716@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>>
>> some stuff deleted ...
>>
>>Isaac is dead, and most of the world really doesn't care.
>>
>I care . . . and a lot of people I know care.  I will miss him
>a lot.  Like a lot of people, he inspired me and sparked my
>interest in science and science fiction.

Funny thing.... when Mr. Heinlein died, I told people I knew and they said
'Who?' But nobody said that at the name Issac Asimov...

jim p.
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: The M.D.: What really happened in the last section?
Date: 12 Apr 92 12:15:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s99lpINNq2o
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@hailstorm.berkeley.edu


	This article will contain some spoilers for _The M.D._, by
Thomas M. Disch. Stop reading now if you don't want to see them.


	In the final section of _The M.D._, the god Mercury warns 
Dr. William Michaels against using the caduceus in a manner that
will have "unforeseen and unfortunate consequences." Subsequently
there follows the collapse of Dr. Michaels' power and his death.
It's reasonable to conclude that Michaels did in fact contravene
Mercury's warning. But just what was the god referring to?

	The obvious candidate is the misfired curse laid on the 
business card. We expect to see the "biter bit" plot come to completion
through a curse laid on some "wrong" person. Michaels is imprisoned
in the internment camp because his arresting officer has a stroke
created by the caduceus. 

	I think that this is a red herring, a deliberate bit of
misdirection. No permanent harm comes to Michaels from being in the
camp; it's even arguable that he wouldn't have been in it any less time
even if the policewoman hadn't had a stroke. What is more serious
is that at the same time the power of the caduceus begins to fail.
This failure leads directly to Michaels' appendicitis attack and his death.
	
	I think that Michaels' other use of the caduceus at this
time is to blame. He uses it to heal Bubby Johnson. But remember
the wording of the curse that accidentally struck Michaels' older
brother: "be like Bubby". If Bubby is then healed, then by extension
so is Michaels' brother -- but this brings the power of the caduceus
into direct conflict with itself, which is forbidden. This is why
the caduceus fails and all its works come undone.

	This theory is consistent with what we're shown of the 
caduceus' workings. Further, it's a very Dischian irony that
Dr. Michaels' downfall has its source not in a curse but a healing.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 11:21:59 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Use of Weapons by Banks
Distribution: rec

jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:
> Is Banks' other stuff as good as this?
> --

	"Consider Phlebas" had a cleaner, simpler plot-line, then "Use
of Weapons" and was very good.
	"Player of Games" was pretty good. I didn't feel that it was
preachy though (as someone else said) - the "preachy" stuff was an
intrinsic part of the plot.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 15:04:15 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Card short stories

I've seen a new paperback by Orson Scott Card featuring several of his short
stories, the title of which I can't remember at the moment. If anyone has any
info on this or any of his other stuff, please e-mail me. Thanks.

Brian P.
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From: write@eff.org (Glen Cox)
Subject: Re: Looking for the address for Zeising Books.
Originator: write@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 22:56:09 GMT

In article <A34GB1DS@cc.swarthmore.edu> jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
>	A friend of mine gave me a copy of a catalog from Mark Zeising
>books. Unfortunately since he had already placed an order from the catalog,
>the page with ordering information wasn't there. So if someone could send me
>the address and/or phone number along with ordering information I would
>appreciate it.
>	Thanks in advance for any information.

Yes, one of the best of the small press publishers sells others books as
well.  You can reach Mark Ziesing at:

     P.O. Box 76
     Shingletown, CA  96088
     Voice & Fax phone: 916-474-1580

glen

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From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: Re: Does Araminta Station contain an error?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:55:00 GMT

In article <2466@loki.une.edu.au>, jack@loki.une.edu.au (Jack Claff) writes...
> 
>There appears to be an interesting error in Araminta Station.
> 
>When Glawen is trapped at the Monomantic Seminary, Kirdy goes
>back to Cadwal and tells Bodwyn Wook that Glawen is dead.  This
>is why Bodwyn never mounted a rescue mission.  But later,
>Spanchetta is accused of perpetrating a "nasty little fraud"
>against Glawen by not declaring Scharde Clattuck dead until after
>Glawen's 21st. birthday had passed so that Glawen missed out on
>Agency status and was declared a co-lateral.  Since Glawen was
>presumed dead, there could be no fraud!  This is significant
>because without the alleged fraud, Glawen would not have been
>granted full agency status by the court.
> 
>I wonder if Jack Vance overlooked this point, or possibly he saw
>it but the book was so far advanced that he left it in anyway.
> 
I assumed that Kirdy had not made his news public (or, alternatively, that he 
returned to Cadwal after Glawen's birthday--remember, he was touring with the 
mummers), so Spanchetta had no reason to presume him dead.

There is one tiny inconsistency I spotted--early in the book, Old Sol is 
described as being in the middle of one particular constellation.  Later in the 
book, it is in the middle of another constellation.   

Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
From: gsarff@meph.UUCP (Gary Sarff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Fantasy Suggestions (Was: Re: Saberhagen's Book of Swords)
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: gsarff@meph.UUCP
Organization: WICAT Systems Inc., Orem Utah

In article <1992Apr3.194246.18406@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, maxson@cerl.uiuc.edu (K R Maxson) writes:
>In article <9204031632.AA05473@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> nanner@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (Diane Susan Palme) writes:
>>Now that I am off of my soap box, perhaps someone can recommend something new
>>for me to read.  So far, my favorite author has to be Tolkien.  A close second
> .....
>Also, a plug for two books that I thought were a lot of fun but very few
>people seem to have read.  They are The Man of Gold and Flamesong by M.A.R.
>Barker.  Set in the same world, with some tangential character overlap,
>these are unassuming fantasy adventures that don't ask you to accept silly,
>hackneyed fantasy formulae that have been used over and over and over again.

Well you have found one who has read them, (I guess that makes two total? 8-)
I liked "the goddess of the pale bone", it has an interesting mysterious
ring to it.

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From: rstevew@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: William Gibson's next novel....
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 17:28:22 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Apr1.124743.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.231258.4312@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c9e-al@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Chua Hak Lien) writes:
>> 
>>... And the words
>> will stay in the computer because Gibson plans to infect the disk with a
>> virus that will make it impossible to transfer the text to paper."
>> 
>> Chua
>> ====
>
>What complete and utter nonsense!
>Make a computer program such that it can't be printed.
>That sounds like too much of a challenge to hackers everywhere.

Also so impossible to do that the problem would be trivial. Anything
you can get on your screen you can get onto paper. And reading the
text sections of a disk, even encrypted, are not hard if it contains
the key within it, which it would have to do to be readable. But that
notice was a gag anyway.            - Steve
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From: yane@fraser.sfu.ca (Yan Choon Ee)
Subject: Re: Sun-Cross
Keywords: Barbara Hambly Sun-Cross
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:25:48 GMT

seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:

>	I think that Sun-Cross is a DUALOGY -- that is, like DarkMage, 
>it's just a two-booker.

At the end of the second book, Barbara implies (if not outright states)
that there's gonna be another book following...besides, we all know that
fantasy series come in threesomes :)  That is, most of them anyway --
if you discount Eddings and Jordan's current Wheel of Time series.

yan choon
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