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From: mikes@iscp.bellcore.com (Michael Savino)
Subject: Mike Plant AP Wire Release
Reply-To: mikes@iscp.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:38:40 GMT


This is just coming off the AP New Wire service!

           PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) _ Sailor Mike Plant's capsized boat was
missing a crucial vessel stabilizer when it has been spotted at sea
more than a month after he reported trouble on a solo transatlantic
trip, the Coast Guard said.
           The 60-foot sloop, Coyote, was seen by the crew of a freighter
at 7:40 a.m. Sunday about 480 miles southwest of Ireland. There was
no sign of the missing sailor.
           Coast Guard Petty Officer David Silva said the freighter came
within 50 yards of the boat, but couldn't get closer because of
rough weather.
           Plant left New York City on Oct. 16 for what was to be a
two-week journey to France to participate in an around-the-world
race that started Sunday.
           Coast Guard Lt. Andrew Sorenson said two Coast Guard planes and
a Navy aircraft were continuing the search today. The Coast Guard
was asking officials in France, England, Portugal and the
Netherlands, which are nearer the upended Coyote, to send vessels
to inspect its interior, he said.
           The tanker Protank Orinoco reported the boat's hull looked
intact but was missing the keel bulb, a torpedo-shaped part that
helps keep the boat upright, said Petty Officer Charles Smith. He
declined to speculate on how the part might have come off.
           The rigging and sails visible below the surface as the Coyote
crested the 8-foot seas appeared undamaged, Orinoco officials said.
           The sailor's family said they were hopeful that Plant, who has
sailed around the world alone three times, was still alive.
           Plant ``is very much a survivor,'' said his brother-in-law, Bob
Simmons of Wayzata, Minn. ``He has been in a situation like this.
It's not a wholly uncommon experience for these shorthanded ocean
racers.''
           The Coast Guard's efforts to reach the capsized boat were
hampered by poor weather. ``It's a matter of finding someone who is
closest and who has the resources to go,'' Silva said.
           Three days after leaving New York, Plant, 42, of Jamestown,
R.I., asked a passing freighter to relay that he had lost
electrical power, preventing him from using his long-distance radio
gear and automatic pilot.
           The last contact with Plant was believed to have been a beacon
signal picked up Oct. 27 by the Canadian Coast Guard. It was too
weak to determine a position.
           Canadian authorities did not immediately notify U.S. officials
that an American was involved because Plant hadn't registered the
beacon's identification code.

           Family and friends in Rhode Island later tracked the
identification number through the store where he bought the device.
           Plant had planned on arriving in Les Sables d'Olonne, France, on
Oct. 30
AP-DS-11-23-92 0917EST
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: Looking for a laser
Keywords: laser
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:39:54 GMT

In <Nov.20.19.14.00.1992.4939@remus.rutgers.edu> pfein@remus.rutgers.edu (August West) writes:

>Does anyone know where I might start looking for a used laser (not a
>laser II) in the NY/NJ Tri-state area.  I'm looking for an older boat
>I can get a very good price on.  Even a boat that needs some
>fiberglass work.  The lower the price the better.  It must have a full
>size rig.  Any suggestions, help, or offers appreciated.

I would suggest contacting some of the boat dealers in that area.  The
other thing to do is to call Allan Broadribb at the NA Laser Class Assoc.
office (or his wife Jocylene) and ask them if they know of any
boats for sale in that area.  Here is the number:

ILCA
8466 N. Lockwood Ridge Road, Suite 328
Sarasota, FL 34243

Phone & FAX (813) 359-1384

You might also inquire on the laser mailing list.  The address is
laser@cica.cica.indiana.edu  Just send a similar message to your
post there and see if anyone replies.

If you want to join the Laser mailing list send me a note and I'll
add you to the list.

Will

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*   _______________\|/_      Will Sadler     will@cica.indiana.edu        * 
*   Laser 44888    /|\                       sadler@iubacs.bitnet         *     
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From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: For Sale/Trade: Tank level transducers and readout
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:10:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: hemlock.ZIELKE.92Nov16141028
Distribution: rec
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

I have a set of the Xinex (SP?) depth sounders for measuring the amount of
fluid in a tank.  Especially useful for propane tanks, but will work on
water tank installations as well.  The West Marine catalog sells them as
follows:

	Bar graph display for three tanks with a single 
	transducer and tranceiver.				$219

	Second transducer and tranceiver			$125

I was planning to use these on my water tanks but have found that due to
access and baffel problems in the tanks I can't get a good return signal.  I
have tested the transducers and tranceivers with the bar chart with a five
gallon bucket of water and everything works fine.  I have the instructions
and mounting hardware.  One of those projects I started a year ago and did
not get finished with.  Have had the equipment too long to take it back and
the original boxes are not available.

I would love to trade this for a working loran, satnav, or make an offer.
Otherwise I would like to get half of the best current retail price ($150)
for the setup.  


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hobbie stuff
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:58 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I've always thought that a Hobie made for a good hobbie, er hobby.

Kent Leverich 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dmi@iat.holonet.net (David M. Ilstrup)
Subject: Need fittings, 1970 Ericson `26
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:04:00 GMT

	Yikes, I just had my 'new' boat surveyed and found some parts
needing replacement. Does anyone know the company/ies who
manufactured the original fittings for this boat? 
(1970 `26 Sloop, Ericson Yachts, late of Southern California)
 
	I need especially a new mast step, and a new gooseneck (I think 
this is what it is called, the part that is rigidly
attached to the end of the boom where it meets the mast). 
 
Any pointers are greatly appreciated, especially if it involves the
address of a company that is still operating! :) Please do NOT respond
to the address in this posting, but rather to mm@cory.berkeley.edu, it
will get to me faster.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
P.S. If anyone is interested in how this boat aged, I can fill you in
on the specifics. Just email me.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Help me with buying my first boat
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:52:48 GMT

[Jeff Wallace is thinking about buying a Cal20 for $1000]

As you say, the Cal20 is an excellent Bay boat. Once you get
used to its homely appearance (that nasty Lapworth foredeck!), you
will appreciate its many virtues: huge cockpit, brick-shithouse
rig (double lower shrouds, uppers, AND jumper struts), big iron
pig on the keel. I owned #1554 for 12 years and was a very happy 
sailor. I've never heard of a Cal20 getting pushed all the way
over on the Bay, and that's something. 

As far as minuses, there are a few. This is no light-air boat (although
you can surf on those Berkeley rollers in the summertime). You
can install an adjustable backstay, but it won't do much. The boat
is tough to gybe - rounds up pretty badly. A spinnaker won't make the
boat very much faster off the wind - I'm not sure why. Make sure you
have a good set of foulies, too.

$1000 sounds like a pretty good price. I would look for the following
in a used boat: reinforced headstay-to-deck fitting, real winches, bow
and stern pulpits, forehatch (rare), reefing system, lifelines, split 
mainsheet, instruments, working electrical system. Make sure you inspect 
the chain plate area: gelcoat crazing is OK, but look for structural 
problems.

A new suit of sails will probably cost you $2000. Insurance: $150/year.
Steve Seale in Alameda has all of the parts you are likely to need.

You will need a 5-6 hp motor. The well in the cockpit was invented by
Satan in one of his fouler moods. Use a bracket.


Good luck,

Stefan
From: mattp@phred.UUCP (Matt Pedersen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Twin Headstays (was Re: Tuff Luff....)
Summary: Keep them apart
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:38:11 GMT
Organization: Physio Control Corp., Seattle WA

In article <ZIELKE.92Nov17120227@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil>, zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke) writes:
> Being the one who started all of this, and that the question was with regard
> to cruising sailboats, what about the option of a double headstay?  I have
> seen a few boats which simply have two headstays side by side.  I assume you
> could do everything that the foil allows while at the same time having the
> advantage of the hanks for ease of sail handling on the deck (not loosing
> the sail over the side).

The only caveat I know of is to keep the headstays as far apart as
possible.  I've heard that 8" to 12" (20 to 30 cm) is a good number.
One reason for keeping them far apart is that when you are reaching
or running, the sail has a tendency to chafe against the lazy (?)
headstay, which we all know is bad.  

It may be difficult to retrofit your boat like this; anchor
rollers, pulpits, etc. may be in the way.  Of course if you had a big
budget you could mount two roller furlers side by side, and have
a big genoa and a working jib to furl/unfurl at a moments notice.

Real competitive racing boats probably wouldn't like this arrangement
because it makes one tack a disadvantage (yes, I know the other
is advantaged).  It also means you have twice as many "target
speeds" to remember going to windward (as if things weren't
complicated enough already).

Matt Pedersen     mattp@phred
From: nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: 800 number lists for used boats
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:04:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University


Having gotten quite a few replies to my query on what sort of boat I
should look for (Re: Looking for name to go with sailboat...), I now
have a list of about a half dozen which seem to fit my needs.  The
next step, of course, is to look for a boat which is on that list.

The local newspaper has practically nothing in it.  Not surprising, of
course.  This is a small town.  I also looked at some out-of-town
newspapers (Tampa and St. Petersburg, Florida).  They have more, and
it looks like the Sunday edition will have even more.

Several people recommended "Soundings" but the local newstand does not
have it, and has never heard of it.  I bought a sailing magazine from
them (Cruise World, or something like that) which has ads.  But all the
ads are for expensive boats.  Understandable, of course.  The boat that
I am looking for is hardly worth putting an ad in a national magazine
for :-)

One interesting thing, however, was that under "Boats for Sail" in the
magazine were a couple of 800 numbers which claimed to have databases
for used boats, and that they would send a list for free if only I were
to call them.  I did, and they promised.  Real person one time, who wanted
to know my price range, length of boat, etc.  Sounded friendly.  Other one
an answering machine.

Anyone have any experience with these 800 number lists?  Intuitively, it
sounds like a good idea.  Someone with an old boat, which they would let
go for a few thousand, is hardly going to advertise a lot or use a broker.
But they might very well pay a few bucks to have a listing in something
like this.   And one can deal directly with the owner, rather than a broker.
But perhaps there are some pitfalls I don't know about.  Any thoughts?

Thanks for your time,

John

-- 
John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
    Sorry - no cute quote!  Can't think of anything meaningful.....
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:42:56 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <Bxo73n.98p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bereson@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <t9B=yQ@engin.umich.edu>, gybeho@engin.umich.edu (John Senger) writes:
>|> Help!  We're having a party and need to serve drinks with nautical/boat
>|> related names.  Please email any/all suggestions.
>|> Thanks.
>|> 
>
>Well you know you have to serve grog (or at least offer it).  It's
>watered down rum a'la the british navy.  Mix dark rum and water 1:1.
>(It's not a very pleasant drink, though very nautical).

You'll need to make sure the water is brackish, or at least has a faint
odor of fiberglass resin. Other nautical drinks are warm beer (ran out of
ice) piss-warm coffee or tea (lost patience/sanity waiting for alchohol 
stove to maybe boil water) Gin and tonic with large, irregularly shaped
ice chips, and some blood in them (learned lesson about fast-melting bagged
ice cubes, bought block ice, but stabbed self with ice pick). You can
simulate blood in a G&T by adding a few drops of angostura bitters, and
it tastes better than blood, too.

Periodically, spill everyone's drinks or heave them all out a window
to simulate losing them overboard. Also, jam all your furniture 
together in a small circle and don't have enough seats/space for
all your guests (cockpit). Turn off the air conditioning if it's
summer, or if it's winter, run the heat so the temperature in 
your house is around 95 degrees. Also run 4 or 5 humidifiers. 
That'll lend a sort of 'Chesapeake Bay in August' theme to the affair.

bobp@sandr.com
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Right of Way
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:43:13 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
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X-XXDate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:47:24 GMT

In article <1du3o1INNca0@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Andy Martin,
amartin@cs.ubc.ca writes:
>Of course the rule about overtaking may apply, in which case it
superseds
>all the above rules.  Paraphrased, the rule states that when one
vessel is
>overtaking another, the vessel being overtaken must maintain her
course
>and speed, while the vessel overtaking must keep clear, and remains
>the give-way vessel until she is finally past and clear.  You are 
>"overtaking" another vessel when you  are approaching from more that
>22.5 degrees abaft her beam.  This rule also supersedes rules which
>require power vessel to keep clear of sailing vessels etc.

Yes, and oddly enough even people who are moderately experienced
Wednesday-night racers tend to forget it.  We've been "taken up" many
times by overtaking boats who should know better. To their credit, the
skippers' faces usually turn quite red when we politely (!) remind them
that they are overtaking.

___________________________________
William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Question about zinc...
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:29:52 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:


>My boat has a Westerbeke 4-107 diesel. This is connected to the seawater
>by the prop shaft, but there's a rubber doughnut between the two halves of the
>prop coupler, which effectively insulates the shaft from the engine. I put a
>zinc on the prop shaft this past year (a "doughnut zinc"---about 1"
>fore-and-aft, and about 3" OD, with a 7/8" hole in the middle for the shaft
>to pass through. The result: after 5.5 months in the water, the zinc is about
>25% gone. Is this about normal?

It seems like a lot to me, but not extreme.  If you want to get serious 
about this then weigh the zince when installing it and periodically
thereafter.  The zinc is wasted in direct proportion to the current 
flowing though it.  I remember reading somewhere what the exact
multiplier was but it has gotten away from me.  Anyhow, it's information
that can be looked up.  Once you've calcultated the average current 
you can determine whether there's a real problem.

>Also, on the engine itself, there's a heat exchanger. It seems to be copper or
>cupro-nickel. It has, on the seaater side of the system, a zinc pencil,
>mounted in a brass thinghy that screws into a socket on the exchanger. The
....
>zinc. The result: usually the zinc is almost completely gone; the pencil has
>broken off somewhere in the middle, and the "stub" is lying around on the
>bottom of the exchanger, along with sundry other bits of broken zinc. 

This is waiting too long.

>So. When during the summer does this happen? I'm not sure. Maybe the thing
>craps out within the first week. I'm not at all certain. The question is, 
>how normal is this? 

I don't know how normal it is but I replace mine when they are half gone,
ususally about twice a year.

>How long does one of these pencils tend to last in typical
>service? And just what is that pencil protecting in this situation? It's
>certinaly electrically connected to the rest of the engine, but this copper or
>cupro-nickel exchanger is the only part of the engine (aside from the seawater
>pump) that's in contact with the seawater. Any comments or suggestions would be
>welcome. 

It's supposed to protect the heat exchanger.  When I was had my purchase
survey done the surveyor made a point of impressing on me the importance
of maintining the exchanger zinc.  The local Westerbeke place also considers
this worthwhile.

BTW, the oil cooler is also raw water cooled, at least in my installation.
Curiously, there is no anode in it, and I'd be much more concerned about
it perforating than the heat exchanger.  As a rsult, I replaced my oil cooler
the two years ago.  I'll probably do it again in a year.  They're not cheap
but neither is tearing down the mill when it fails.

happy tinkering,
gerard
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: wood or glass?
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:35:06 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Penn State University


>... don't let the rainwater get started on its trip down into the frameheads,
>but that's difficult to do;  many allegedly wonderful yards don't understand
>how to keep fresh water out of a wooden hull.  After the first two years of
>neglect or careless maintenance, costs for the wooden hull begin to rise
>geometrically.

What are frameheads and how do you keep fresh water out of a wooden hull?

>... if someone told me I was going to be given a twenty five year old hull,
>sight unseen, I'd hope it was glass;  I'd also hope it was solid glass,
>uncored, and built before the manufacturers started to lighten up on the
>scantlings to save money.

What are scantlings and could you give a good example of a boat with a solid
glass hull?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zpope@osf.org (William Pope)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Reply-To: zpope@osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Nov17.145902.27644@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:44:19


In article <1992Nov17.145902.27644@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:

	... things deleted

>    I view the current generation of BOC boats to be patently unsafe
> vessels. Their range of positive stability is too small. In the Globe
> Challenge of 4 years ago, one of the French boats was knocked down 
> to 90 degrees and stayed there for 28 hours. Emptying the water ballast
> tanks had no effect and it was only after part of the rig was cut away
> that the boat righted.

This is from memory and I can't remember the name of the boat but ...

In fairness, this was a boat that was designed and originally built as a
sloop then converted to a ketch.  This was more a case of inadequate
ballasting for the modifications than proof of the incorrectness of the
design.  Once the (new) mizzen was cut away the boat came right up.
--
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Open Software Foundation                              Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584
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From: buck@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Buckberg)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Partner Wanted: Grand Banks 32
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:46:59 GMT
Followup-To: buck@well.sf.ca.us


***********************************************************************
                         PARTNER WANTED FOR GRAND BANKS 32
 
I am seeking one or possibly two partners to invest in this fine
1973 Grand Banks 32, hull number 392.  This is one of the last
wooden Grand Banks made.  This boat, presently berthed in
Sausalito, is very well equipped and very well maintained.  
 
She is powered by a Ford Lehman 120 hp diesel, with 240 gallons of
fuel in two tanks.  The engine has approximately 2,800 hours.  The
engine has had normal maintenance and inspections with no major
repairs, and has been very reliable. I have owned the boat since
1988.  Prior to that the boat had three other owners.  
                   
Upgraded electronics were installed in 1989, including:
                   ~  Furuno Model 1900 24 mile open-array radar
                   ~  Raytheon 570 loran
                   ~  Horizon Galaxy VHF
                   ~  Furuno FMV 61 video depth sounder
 
In addition to these new electronics, the boat has two additional
fathometers, an electronic hailer and foghorn, a 5 watt hand-held
VHF, a hand-held spotlight, stereo cassette deck, Benmar auto-
pilot, and an Electro-guard corrosion control system.
 
In the past three years many systems have been replaced and
upgraded, including:                              
                   ~  new water heater (AC and engine heat exchange)
                   ~  new domestic water pump and filter
                   ~  new Grunert 12V refrigeration
                   ~  new 4D starting battery
                   ~  new 4D deep-cycle battery
                   ~  new Lectra-San waste treatment system
                   ~  new Groco head
 
The interior foam cushions and covers are new, having been fitted
in 1991.  New drapes were hung at the same time.  The blue color
of the cushions offsets the finished teak interior very nicely.
 
Included is an Avon Redcrest inflatable tender with a 2 hp British
Seagull motor.  There are many other extras too numerous to list.
 
For further information, please call Richard Buckberg at (415) 332-
3934, or email buck@well.sf.ca.us

****************************************************************
From: Jeff.Hasz@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Jeff Hasz)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Radio Active Waters ?
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 10:01:00 -0800


KK/The issue is fifty more voyages ... yes fifty ..

KK/Does that give you a warm feeling ???

Not really, but it does give me a glow all over....<wink, wink>

But seriously, I think some how the woed ought to go out to warn
someone about this tragedy waiting to happen...

 * OLX 2.2 * S2S Chicago, Where it's Always Cooler Near the Lake