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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 10:52:47 GMT
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Subject: Results WAF'it; Wageningen, The Netherlands

"The Results of the WAF International Tournament, August 27-30"
	or the alternative Worlds for low-budget players

In this tournament all kind of teams entered:  a total of 9 national teams, and
9 clubteams. 12 teams in the open division and 6 in the ladies division.
On thursday the open division played a kwalification round to decide which
teams where going to play in the upper poule and which in the lower poule. This
was necessary because of the strong clubteams and weaker national teams.
Surprisingly the Great Britain national squad didn't make it to the upper
poule.. they where defeated by the Belgians (who played very smart) and Munchen
(the Bavarian national team).. 

In the second round the teams played round robin till 18 points, no timelimit.
Because of the rain (and we had so much of this) the fields were perfect
for spectacular actions... dives on almost every throw.. incredible ho D's and
because of the sometimes strong wind.. a lot of zone defenses. Munchen played a
new zone which was very effective.. beating strong teams like Germany and the
Netherlands (both favourite for the title). Only Suntan (the only all European
team and winner of the saturdaynight party) beated the Bavarian team on sunday 
morning when Munchen already had kwalified for the final. 
At the same time the Dutch and Germans where playing each other to decide which
team was to play the final.
The Germans showed a great zone and forced the Dutch a couple of times to drop 
the disc close to the Dutch endzone. Making it easy to score.
The germans had and kept a 3 points lead the entire game and the Dutch couldn't
get closer. The final score was 18 - 15, leaving the Dutch disappointed behind.

In the womens division the six teams played round robin.. the GB team won all
their games. The Dutch ended up second and both teams were to play the final.
In a long and thrilling final the Dutch beated the English with 15 - 10.

In the open final, under very wet circumstances... the Germans took the title
by beating the Bavarian team (15 - 13). 


Results:	Open:	1  Germany
			2  Munchen
			3  Netherlands
			4  Sun Tan
			5  Italy
			6  Belgium

			7  GB
			8  Superdocious (Danmark)
			9  WAF (Netherlands)
			10 Godzilla (England)
			11 GB Juniors 
			12 Discmen (Dutch juniors)

		Women:  1  Netherlands
			2  GB
			3  Milano (Italy)
			4  Kangaroos (Germany)
			5  Mir san mir (Germany)
			6  Belgium

Oke, so much for this tournament... great games and lots of party. 
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Spock on the hammer
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:55:57 GMT

Got the following in my morning fortune cookie, thought you folks
might get a kick out of it. Perhaps I'm just too much of a geek
though...

>If I let go a hammer on a planet having a positive gravity, I need not
>see it fall to know that it has, in fact, fallen.
>    -- Spock, "Court Martial," stardate 2948.9.

George
-- 
George Ferguson                 ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu
Dept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527
Rochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018
From: richard@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Richard Dubois)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: update to SF Peninsula scrimmage list
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:20:38 GMT
Reply-To: richard@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Richard Dubois)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


 I have added a few more scrimmages and corrected the listing for HP.They play
 MWF, not Tu/Th as I erroneously wrote (sorry, Daryl!).

 Richard
 SLAC



Name   Location   Dates/Time Level    Coed   Contact
                                     Welcome
----   --------    --------- -----  -------  -------

SLAC   SLAC         MWF/noon  mid      y     RICHARD@SLACVX.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
      Menlo Pk

No     Stanford     W 17:30   mid      y     DHINDS@ALLEGRO.STANFORD.EDU
Connection          Sa 10:00

Sun    Mitchell Pk  MW/18:00  mid      y     CALVINS@ENG.SUN.COM
       Palo Alto

HP     Peterson       MWF     high     y     DARYL@HPCLOPT.CUP.HP.COM
       Park          noon

Apple/ Cupertino     Tu/Th   mid & hi  y     OSHEA_TOM@TANDEM.COM
Tandem  library       noon   (2 games)

Micro- Stanford      WF/noon   mid     y     ANDERSKI@MICROSOFT.COM
soft     IMs

no-    Mountain-     Sa 10:30  mid-hi  y     none (mostly PA Spin Doctors and
name   View High                             and wanna-be's)
   
NASA   NASA          Tu/Th      hi     y     KTHOMPSO@MUIR.ARC.NASA.GOV
       visitor pass  noon
       required!    

Oracle/San Mateo      MW        mid    y     KRC@SOCRATES.UCSF.EDU
Genentech High        18:00 


Wild   Berkeley       W 18:00   hi     y     DANIEL@UX5.LBL.GOV
Flyers (not           Su 11:00
        Peninsula!) 

Lockheed Sunnyvale    Tu/Th     hi     y?    Jackels_Mark@mm.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.
                      11:45am                 com

Adobe   Palo Alto     Tu 18:00  lo     y     Thompson@Adobe.com

no     Woodside High  Sa 10:00  mid    y     none
name

Biosys Foster City    MW noon   mid    y     HALNMR@NMRSYS.BIOSYS.COM
       Sea Cloud Pk
From: Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Adam I. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: THIS BOARD WILL WALK ALL OVER YOU
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:13:51 EDT
Organization: Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
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In article <1992Aug29.221633.21302@news.ysu.edu>, ad785@yfn.ysu.edu (Dan
Galvin) said:
>Well just for the record, I would like to know the
>spilt of regular readers.
Yes, for the record, that would be nice to know.
BUT please compile the responses ELSEWHERE.
Having every reader of REC.SPORT.DISC jot a note saying why they
read REC.SPORT.DISC is going to be painful after a few days.
PLEASE DO NOT POST REPLIES TO DAN'S NOTE ON REC.SPORT.DISC
Notice where Dan is from:
>Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Usenet is not "Free" for everyone.  Bandwidth is paid for in some way
or another.  If you are interested in finding out the answer to Dan's
query, please volunteer to collect the votes in your personal mailbox,
and send the tally to REC.SPORT.DISC  Millions of site managers will
forever be in your debt.  WHile rec.sport.disc is not a large volume
group by comparison, and would probably not actually cause any system
problems with the increased load, there is no reason to start bad habits.

[Anyhow--many readers are indeed connected through the university system,
and may not hook back in for a few more weeks, so you probably won't get
a full representation from the entire readership.]
Sorry to make this note sound nasty, but it's all a matter of
resource allocation.  It makes no sense for those messages to be travelling
everywhere USENET travels, when all we really need is one person to read
and tally.
        --Adam
Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Internet)
Minister of Agriculture -- Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
(moonlighting as a Rhode Island Chowdahead)
From: ca087@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jessica S Oi)
Subject: Re: Knees/ACL injuries
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:55:25 GMT


I too managed to tear my ACL while playing Ultimate.  We were 
practicing inside during winter (we play half-court in the gym) 
and I just landed wrong.  I don't remember hearing a pop but
the doctor told me that my ACL was definitely torn.  I tore mine
completely and the impression I got from my doctor was that if
I did not have the reconstructive surgery I would have trouble
just walking, never mind playing Ultimate.  Needless to say, I
chose the surgery and a lot of therapy afterwards.  That was
two and a half years ago (I'm 21 now) and I have been playing
Ultimate and even skiing (downhill) without a problem.  I was out
for about 8 months, I think and I wear a big clunky brace when
I play but I've gotten used to it so it doesn't affect my 
playing anymore, except for my skying ability a little.  Good luck
with whatever you decide to do!

  -Jessica
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: Newsletter congratulatio
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:38:12 -0500

GF>Just got my September newsletter (yes, it was *early*) in the mail. I
GF>wanted to send out my congratulations to Eric for a fine article on
GF>the old days of Ultimate. The story of the fourth edition was both
GF>factual and well-written. I loved it -- you oldtimers sure were wierd
GF>though ("foul declined", of all the nerve) ...

Thanks - I had a lot of fun writing it.  As I was going through the
fourth edition, reading these crazy rules, it brought back a flood of
memories.  I suppose the weirdest thing, though, was that every practice
we had was on the high school parking lot--and we acceded to moving to
grass when we played other teams--and that I am STILL used to playing on
a parking lot, even though I graduated 17 years ago . . .

GF>ps. I also liked the little blurb you slipped in about a former player
GF>showing up on your TV during the Olympics.

It makes it totally hilarious for people that knew her (Marion Clignet).
She was quite a character (to say the least) - but it was also obvious,
right from the start, that she was quite an athlete.

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From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Fall Tourneys in the East

These are all of the tournaments on the East Coast that I know of
so far.  If there are any others, and you want them included in this
list, please e-mail me at 70540.1522@compuserve.com

There are a couple of additions and changes from the list I posted about
a week and a half ago.

Thanks,

Eric Simon

==================================================================

August 29-30 - Southern NJ; Mike Adlis; 609-692-0379

Sept 12-13 - Cape Henlopen - A.J. - 703-528-3819 
Sept 19 - "Snowball Classic", Rutgers NJ; Jeff DiMassi; 908-246-
     9308 (after 8/31)
Sept 19-20 - Fall Fling, Wilmington, NC; 16M, 8W; Nick Myers; 919-
     392-6198
Sept 27-28 - Philly, Co-ed Hat Tourney; Laura DeLong; 215-387-4721
Sept 27-28 - I-95 Invitational - Eric Wenck 410-788-9689 (men's
     slots already filled)
Sept 27-28 - 2d Annual Green Eggs and Ham, Buffalo, NY - Aaron Crandall; 
     716-663-6835

Oct 3-4 - Penn State, 20M & 10W teams; Billy Hodges; 814-862-1282
Oct 10-11 - UPA Sectionals
Oct 24-25 - UPA Division I Regionals; Division II Regionals
Oct 31 - Halloween Hat tourney; Columbia Md., Barry Lloyd, 301-490-1860

Nov 12-15 - UPA Nationals; San Diego
Nov 21-22 - Ultimax, Greenville, NC; Bill Romberger; 919-830-6710
From: Rosse_Lapper@mindlink.bc.ca (Rosse Lapper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: LOCAL AND REGIONAL UMBRELLA DISC SPORTS ASSOCIATIONS
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:00:54 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

hi out here
would like to converse with some organizers about the break up of disc sports
into quote ultimate, golf, styling etc. Is this the way of the future? is there
a plce for overall associations where resources can be shared or is time for
the family to break up. Can Ultimate survive on its own (sic regionally) or
golf. Is the headiness of early popularity causing an unecessary rift. Will
golf make a bigger comeback. Old ultimate players will probably play golf but
idoubt vice versa. I know my knees are gone from twenty years of sidearm throws
and gitis catches. My concern though is the breakup of the family of disc
sports. Is this a good thing or should local organizers push for a sharing of
resources. E-mail me here or write

Rosse Lapper
4333 W.14th Ave.
Vancouver, B.C.
CANADA
V6R 2X9     604-222-4180
From: schmidt@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Evan Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Information on Cuervo Championship, Boston, 9/11-9/12
Summary: More info wanted!
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:58:54 GMT

Hello Disc Players,
	I was reading the article about the Cuervo Championships and I have one
question.  Are the only teams in the running those listed?  In other words do 
the other eight teams that will be playing in the tournament (8 open and 8 
women) not have a chance for the money?
	I also don't like the way Cuervo is messing with the sport.  Just an 
opinion, but it seems like selling out for cash.

--
Eat, Drink, and Play FRIZBEE!
--
Evan Schmidt (Ultimate Junkie)
schmidt@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu

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From: paulz@bluemoon.rn.com (Paul Zaleski)
Subject: vote
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 15:32:17 EDT

One vote for ULTIMATE.  Out of Columbus, OH.


 This is from
     paulz@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
From: markh@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Mark Hurwitz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Any Pickup Games on UCB Campus?  I/M teams forming?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 21:04:14 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs
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Hello UCB folks-

	I am interested in playing a little Ultimate again this fall.  
If you know of a regular pickup game on the Cal campus on weekdays, please 
email me (or post) the time and place.  For example, there used to be a 
group, made up primarily of Chemistry grad students, who played on Hearst 
North Field around 11:00 a couple of days a week... does that game still exist? 

	Alternatively, if you don't know of such a game, but are forming
an intramural team, I might be interested in joining.  This is less
desirable from my point of view because (1) it costs money, (2) I'm
likely to be out of town in early October and thus would miss a goodly
fraction of the Fall 1 season, and (3) intramural games are often scheduled
for late afternoons / evenings / weekends, when I am less available.
But, if you're looking for players, give me a holler.  My self-assigned
skill levels are as follows...

Backhand: Good
Forehand: OK
Backhand (for distance): V. Good
Hammer: Good
Speed: Mediocre
Endurance / Conditioning: OK 
Strategy / Sophistication : Mediocre

I'm not-ready-for-club-team-play but I think I'd be a solid addition
to a dorm / department / fraternity type team, at least after a little
practice to shake the worst of the rust off.

Let me know what's up.

Thanks in advance,
Mark Hurwitz
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Corporate Scrimmages on
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:44:00 -0500

GJW>As far as I know, there is no bay area ultimate club or newsletter.  There
GJW>are winter leagues (SF and Berkeley/Oakland last winter), but they don't se
GJW>to be too heavy on the organization.

GJW>Perhaps it is time to organize a disc club in the bay area.  There are
GJW>at least 500, maybe over 1000 people who play in the area.  Such an
GJW>organization could help make life easier for those who play (eg. securing
GJW>lighted fields, helping organize & advertise leagues & tourneys, support th
GJW>formation of new teams, maybe even get pole hole courses installed), and
GJW>promote disc sports in general (easier to get media
GJW>attention, sponsorship, etc)

GJW>I'd be interested in hearing from other Disc clubs out
GJW>there.  What to watch out
GJW>for, what to key on, who to look to for help, etc.

GJW>Any ideas, volunteers??

Anyone interested in this should check out the article on starting a
club in the most recent UPA Newsletter.  Basically, you build the club
from the summer/winter leagues.  You charge enough to play in the league
to cover the cost of a coupla newsletters.  Then, everyone who plays
becomes a member of the club.  Use the money to put out a few
newsletters, the most important one being the one at the end of the year
which contains a form for next year's winter league.

This stuff is elaborated on much better in the article (which, actually,
I may be able to post on here if people want).

The benefits, Greg, which you listed are right on target.  The benefits
are tremendous.  The biggest one comes from the fact that a club is
stable, and exists from year to year, as opposed to teams which change
captains and personnel more frequently.  This stability can lead to, as
you mentioned, securing fields, running tourneys more easily, getting
pole holes put up, etc etc.  Additionally, you will find players who are
very talented at doing some of this organizing - some of the very people
who might not otherwise get involved because they may not be talented
enough to "make" the local teams.

Our club has over 1000 paid members right now.  Last spring we had *TEN*
(count 'em, ten!) D.C. teams compete at Open Regionals (seven men and
three women's teams).  This is a direct result of our club and summer
league.  We now have spring, summer, and fall leagues, and
semi-organized winter pick-up.  Yes, you can find Ultimate 52 weeks a
year, here.

I could go on and on, but I'd just be repeating the article.  The bottom
line is that a club *really* makes for a GREAT ultimate community.

I believe that just last year the L.A. area started their first club,
and had a great experience.  You might also want to contact your Reg.
Coord. (Brent Russell) about this, as he was involved with it.  Also,
check out the article in the newsletter.

Go for it!

 * SLMR 2.1a * Do not adjust your mind - the problem is with reality.

From: Pablo_Martinez.LOTUS@CRD.lotus.com
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Subject: Directions to the Cuervo tourney in Boston (Sept 11/12)

~~inner_header~~
To: UNIXML::"ultimate-list@doe.carleton.ca"
Subject: Directions to the Cuervo tourney in Boston (Sept 11/12)

Per several requests, here are the directions to the Cuervo tournament site.
From: jp@moscom.UUCP (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: PDGA Championships in Michigan
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:38:43 GMT
Reply-To: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

A brief note about the winners of the PDGA Disc Golf World 
Championships for the two or three disc golfers who tune in
along with all you ardent ultimate people:

Ken Climo wins the open division for the third year in a row,
firmly establishing himself as the Jack Nicklaus analog for
disc golf. 

Eric Marx easily defeated an otherwise elete field in the masters
division.

Elaine King came from behind with some outstanding play the last
two days to wrap up her second Womens division title in a row.

In the Grandmaster's divison, the good news was that my personal
choice tied Tom Schot, last years defending champion.  The bad
news is that Tom only came in sixth.  Newcomer to this 45 and
older group, Tom Monroe, completely demolished the field, putting
Hoser Williams in second place for the third straight year.

Ralph Williams held off tough Paul Harris for the Senior Grand
Master title.
-- 
Jim P.   (jp@moscom.com)
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: tournament schedules
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 10:19:02 -0500

MO>Are there any computer programs that help you in setting
MO>up a nice tournament schedule for playing a team sport,
MO>based on various constraints, like the amount of grass
MO>fields available, the amount of teams that have to play
MO>in a poule, the time a game is due, etc. ??

MO>I am also interested in literature on this issue.

I have written a document called "The UPA Manual of Tournament Formats".
The UPA is supposed to review and adopt it, but hasn't gotten around to
it yet.  It is incomplete, but it _is_ over 60 pages.  Additionally,
both the UPA and even WFDF have used parts of it (e.g., 10 levels of
tiebreakers, in their championships).

Unfortunately, it is too long for me to e-mail, or to post anywhere (it
is in a WordPerfect file, and is slightly over 200K!).  I would think
that $8 ($10 for overseas) should cover photocopying and postage if
anyone wants to take a look at it.

 * SLMR 2.1a * We all live in a yellow subroutine.

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From: wfsavi@cs.rit.edu (Bill Sampson)
Subject: Re: Knees/ACL injuries
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:41:43 GMT

Welcome to the club.

     I'm coming off a similar injury.  Last year at the regionals
June 9-10, 1991, at Dartmouth, I blew out my knee.  Talk about
lousy timing, my team, Fuschia Shock, made it into the Worlds
and I was stuck on the sidelines.

     Anyway, here's how it went...

     I jumped for a block and was knocked off balance.  When I
landed I heard that same "pop" you heard.  I hyperextended my
knee backwards and to the side.  After an MRI, Xrays and numerous
examinations, It looked like I tore my ACL as well as my Medial
Meniscus (aka - Cartilage.)  Your meniscus helps keep things
sliding and moving around smoothly.  When this fails, you end
up with a nasty case of arthritis.

     If I had NOT torn the meniscus, I probably could have played
with a brace and hoped for the best.  But with all the slop from
the torn ACL, I probably would have torn up my meniscus much
worse than I had already.

     Once the worlds had ended, I was able to get my self psyched up
enough to decide to do it.  And, on October 28 I had a full ACL
reconstruction with a repair of my medial meniscus.  The whole
operation took 4.5 hours.  About a week later I was released from
the hospital. It would have been sooner, but I had a few minor
complications.

     After a few months of therapy weights, jogging and biking later,
my knee is doing very well.

     And the happy ending...

     Well, yesterday was the first time I've played disc since then
(14 mos. later)  Aside from my leg feeling tired, it felt great.

	Please keep in mind that I 'm an Ultimate Player, NOT a doctor.
My description of knees, parts, their workings, operations, etc...
is how I understand them to work.  Please, verify anything you hear
from me with your doctor.  I am trying to give you an idea of my
experiences and not make recommendations for you.

     If you have any questions you can post then, or send me Email.
Best of luck with it.  I hope it goes as well or better than mine.


Willard F. Sampson
Rochester Institute of Technology
American Video Institute
Interactive Media Lab
wfs2878@cs.rit.edu  or  wfs2878@ritvax.bitnet
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: PDGA Championships in Mi
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:32:10 -0500

JP>In the Grandmaster's divison, the good news was that my personal
JP>choice tied Tom Schot, last years defending champion.  The bad
JP>news is that Tom only came in sixth.  Newcomer to this 45 and
JP>older group, Tom Monroe, completely demolished the field, putting
JP>Hoser Williams in second place for the third straight year.

Tom Schot and Tom Monroe are already 45????  Yikes!

Tom Monroe, for others' benefit, was MR. FRISBEE for the entire South,
and put Alabama on the disc-map.

Glad to hear he is still cranking 'em.

Tell me, who else competed in the Masters and Grandmasters divisions?

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