HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert)
Subject: DECLASSIFIED CIA REPORT FINDS TIBET "INDEPENDENT"
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 06:12:44 GMT



DECLASSIFIED CIA REPORT FINDS TIBET "INDEPENDENT"
--------------------------------------------------
     (Reprinted from Canada Tibet Committee Newsletter)
 
     A highly critical report by the United States Central Intelligence
Agency found that Tibet was an independent country and that the occupation
measures of the Chinese government have made Tibetans "second class"
citizens.  The detailed 22-page report, written in the late 1970s, says
that there will be "no welcome mat for Chinese settlers for years to come"
and that Chinese attitudes toward Tibetans are characterized by
"superiority" and "ridicule of the Tibetans". The declassified report was
obtained from the CIA through the Freedom of Information Act.
 
     The report is much more critical of Chinese policies in Tibet than the
annual State Department human rights report issued to the public during the
late 1970s.  The report represents one of the most critical assessments of
Tibet made by a government agency since the warming of relations between
Washington and Beijing.  The report throws light on the discrepancy between
what the U.S. Government knew was going on in Tibet and what it was saying
to the U.S. public.  Chinese settlers in Tibet are characterized as a
crucial link to the economic and political absorption and integration of
Tibet into the Chinese state, according to the report.
 
     Tibet had a historical "legacy of independence" despite attempts by
Chinese dynasties to assert some degree of administrative control over
Tibet, says the report.  The relationship between Tibet and China is "more
religious in nature than political".  The report calls the Chinese takeover
an "invasion" and "occupation" that left the "politically unsophisticated"
Tibetan government "no alternative" to signing the controversial 1951
agreement with Beijing.
 
     The report also contradicts the repeated Chinese claims that
Tibet's government was cruel and feudal.  While it says that "all
land" belonged to the government and was parcelled out to monasteries,
noble families, and commoners in return for services, there existed a dual
form of government which acted as a system of checks and balances. The
report said that while Tibet was "not Shangri-la", the "unique system
worked" because "population growth was stable, everyone had a functional
place in the system and food production met the people's needs.
 
     The report concludes, "The most pervasive feeling among Tibetans is
one of resentment toward Han chauvinism, which is expressed at all levels.
This Chinese attitude of superiority and their ridicule of the Tibetans
were evident to members of the Schlesinger party that visited Lhasa in
1976.  The visitors noted also that the division of Lhasa into discrete
Tibetan and Chinese sections gave the impression of an occupied area."
--END--

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns  (Was:  Re:  A random thought)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:13:58 GMT

  Before individuals attack hunters they had better get there facts 
  straight.  I do not know of any state that has legalized hunting
  of bear when they are hibernating.

  Before you attack hunting you better check facts rather than just
  listen to Bamby stories.  Have you ever seen a winter herd of deer
  that was under the torment of famine because there number was too
  large for the food supply.  Have you ever seen a fawn die of starvation.
  Do you know that many more deer die of starvation in winter than
  fall prey to hunters in many states?  

  Which would you concider more humaine, a slow death by starvation in 
  the coldest of winter, or a quick bullet in the heart?

--

  
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### What were the Raven's last imortal words????????????????????????????????###
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   Please note that any comments are not my employeers or even mine at times.
From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Control Techniques
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:18:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Thank you for posting that...it's marvellous!

trr
-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
tomrice@netcom.com                     Longitude:  121 d  30 m  20 s W 
CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N 
From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: BACK TO LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NONAGENDA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:03:36 -0500

 MT> As a Jew and Zionist I can't deny that there was also a jewish/zionist
 MT> terro- rist group: LEHI (also called Stern Gang, because of its founder
 MT> Avraham Stern)

Hmmmph!  And all this time I thought it was the *Howard* Stern gang.



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:16:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:

>Hello John_-_Winston!

> J-W> Dear Gary: It's good to hear you on the Net. People try to flame
> J-W> me by calling me you.

>Why?  Are you as whacked out as he is?


*****
Or as you are??

-- 
Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
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From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Fletcher Prouty's New Zealand Story (JFK)
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:27:25 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Aug18.091650.28696@tpl68k0.tplrd.tpl.oz.au> keithh@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Keith Harwood) writes:
>
> In article <1992Aug12.010738.24134@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>> The quality of the photo looked better than what I get with my modern FAX
>> machine.
>>
>>
>> Also electronic typesetting did not exist. Typesetting was done by hand and took
>> the whole night to typeset a newspaper.
>
>In the early sixties The News (Adelaide evening paper, closed shop last year)
>received wire photos and was able to remake the front page in half an hour and
>get the next edition on the streets in less than an hour.
>
>The photos by wire process was a true grey-scale process and could send
>photographs barely distinguishable from the originals. The output came
>on photographic paper, not office stationery.
>
>The paper was not set by hand, they used LinoType machines, which had been
>around since the nineteenth century. The first edition was about 11.00a.m.
>(if memory serves correctly) with later editions at about 1.00p.m., 3.00p.m.
>and 5.00p.m. (that's on the street in central Adelaide). Changes between
>editions usually included both the front page and several other editorial
>pages. I have seen events (unexpected, unpredicatable events) that happened
>after noon reported on the front page of the one o'clock edition. So, not
>only could they remake the paper and have it out in less than an hour,
>they could do it every day, year in, year out.
>
>For predicable events I think the record is held by the Melbourne Herald,
>which in those days could get the result of the Melbourne Cup with
>photograph on the streets within twenty minutes of the end of the race.
>


OK I eat my words. You've convinced me.

Prouty must be wrong.


Derek.
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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Concealable Weapons (Was: Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:15:21 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: sdr57@cas.org's message of Mon, 10 Aug 1992 14:22:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.142244.3832@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org () writes:

   (BTW, there has been at least one aircraft hijack attempt
   using a bottle containing a fluid identified by the hijacker
   as gasoline)

This would explain the following when I was going through an airport
security check-point (the then Pan Am Shuttle).  The security man
opened up my bag and found a small flask of Jack Daniels.  He opened
it up and sniffed it to make sure it was alcohol.  I didn't understand
why at the time.  Now I do.

-30-
Bob

``Eat flaming death, fascist media pigs.''
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns  (Was:  Re:  A random thought)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:57:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Instrumentality
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug20.191020.24361@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
...
>Famine and predators take the weakest, ultimately strengthening the herd
>and the species.  Hunters take the best and strongest (trophies, more
>meat), weakening the herd and the species.

This isn't clear to me; why do you think this is true? It seems to me that
hunting works pretty much according to the principles of natural selection
set down by all predators: the stupider, less alert animals are more likely
to get killed.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             |      Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.     |
Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
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From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:05:29 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

rbernstein@igc.org (Robert D. Bernstein) writes:


>A recent post asked about the effectiveness of Patriot missiles against
>Scuds. A couple of notes:

>1) The Patriot is a heat-seeking missile. It is designed to lock in on
>   an engine and destroy it. The Scud is an unguided missile, not much
>   different from the buzz-bombs used by the Nazis to terrorize London.
>   Destroying the engine of an unguided missile in the vicinity of the
>   target area is a very bad joke. It does nothing to stop the Scud from
>   blowing up. It just makes it blow up in one random place instead of
>   another. You also get the effects of the Patriot blowing up to do
>   a bit more damage. And the Patriots cost about half a million dollars
>   each.

Wrong. The Patriot is a radar guided missile, using a rather interesting 
guidance method called _Track-via-Missile_. It does not have any IR sensors
at all. The Scud missile is guided. It uses a simple strap-down inertial
guidance system. It is also a ballistic missile, not a cruise missile (the
V-1 buzz bomb was among the first cruise missiles in the world, it even had
a _very_ primitive guidance system. It turned off the fuel after a certain
time.).


--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"I've got LOT's of common sense. I just choose to ignore it." -- Calvin
From: Gary.Stollman@iphase.UUCP (Gary Stollman)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 16 Aug 92  08:45:22 EST

Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus) writes:

>Gary - 

>Why don't you just move to Fiji, or some remote place?  Blow off
>everyone and everything and get out.  I've heard that it's nice
>there, and it sure sounds like you need a change of scenery.

>-- 
>                          | You have all the time from when you remove the |
>     Martin F. Melhus     | card(s) from your hand until you put it (them) |
> mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu | on the pile to say "Last Card".  If you don't, |
>                          | take your two. - Hidden texts, Book of MauMau. |

*****
Thanks for the suggestion...If I hadn't discovered Tallahassee, I probably
would take it...But I live in what is the most wonderful place in the
country, a place that took me seven long years and much traveling all over
the country to find...I AIN'T giving it up cause a bunch of cowardly
Reagan's and Bush's decided to try to ruin my life and violate my
rights...I am gonna show them what it means to fuck with MY family!!!

-- 
Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns (Was: Re: A random thought)
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:30:54 GMT

cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:

> ...(animals which eventually starve, still eat food, leaving less for the
> rest of the herd).  They are try to trim the herd back, so more will
> survive the winter.

> Also, the deer become a nuisance at some point; High levels of crop
> damage (which you pay for at the market), more car-deer accidents, etc.

Also, the starving deer will resort to chewing on tree branches and
gnawing the bark off of trees.  This damages the trees so that the
following winter, there is even less vegetation for the deer to eat.

The situation got way out of hand near the Quabbin reservoir in MA.
Hunting had been banned there for many years.  The deer population got
out of control and began destroying the forest in their frantic
attempts to find nourishment.  Rotting carcasses of deer that have
starved and soil erosion from the damaged forest caused elevated
levels of pollution in the water supply.

Deer have very few natural predators left.  We are to blame for that.
An unchecked deer population will cause real property damage and
economic damage.

Hunting is both a humane and necessary means of keeping the deer
population under control.  It benefits us and it benefits the deer
because every deer harvested will not only keep several from starving
to death in the winter, but it will feed people too.

-- 
Kevin
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors
From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rocko)
Subject: Help ! alien spark-plug !!!
Summary: Flame on !
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:56:52 GMT

To: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?

In article <1992Aug19.141332.23094@acd4.acd.com> you write:
|> In article <3323@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
|> >
|> >I'll let you know if I ever get any photos of a non-human manufactured
|> >crop circle under construction...  ;-)
|> >
|> >Rick
|> >
|> >-- 
|> >Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
|> >kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
|> >AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
|> >r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  
|> 
|> Rick,
|> 
|> Did you see the CBS special on crop circles? Not much conclusive evidence but 
|> there is a lot of good arial photography. Makes you realize real fast that
|> these were not made with 2X4s and ropes.
|> 
|> Gregg.
|> 


 Help Please !!!!!!!

on this same program they had a piece on this rock/crystal that had
an "object inside" it was refered to as an alien spark-plug !

please tell me who were those people?

can they be comtacted?

has this been investigated?

carbon dating?

rocko


From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary)
Organization: 
Subject: 
Keywords: 

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:20:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.025429.26481@fulcrum.oz.au> 
  steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.052013.27077@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> 
>  diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott) writes:
>
>>djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211) writes:
>>:       They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!
>>:                             ^^^^^
>
>>what the hell does that mean? Or is it just paranoia?
>
>It's a joke. Follow the thread and it's reasonably clear.

They just want you to *think* it's a joke.

C "Kibo is absolutely tax-free" Frog
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From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:46:47 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Aug13.123839.7499@etek.chalmers.se>, lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
|> [...]
|> In the latter scenario, the robber vill get a automatic (?) gun, run in to
|> the house and blast the elderly couple away, since he belives that they MIGHT
|> have some gun.
|> I'd rather be robbed than killed.

I've not heard of any cases like this.  If a criminal has reason to suspect
that his intended victims may be armed, said criminal usually looks elsewhere.
Most shootings of robbery victims occur _after_ the criminal has collected 
the booty.  The victims are shot to avoid later recognition, not because the
robber is afraid they are armed.

Have you any _real_ cases of the above type?  Or are you tyying to foist
a phony theory on us poor readers?

As for the title of this thread, most arguments *in*favor* of gun control
are racist!  The implicit argument used is always: these (insert favorite
race, creed, or gender here) are not to be trusted, let's make sure 
they're unarmed.

The fact is, gun control laws are completely UNCORRELLATED with violent 
crime statistics.  Places vary from Switzerland (where everyone is 
ENCOURAGED to be armed with automatic, and other weapons) to New York 
City (which has VERY strict gun-control laws).  If the objective is
to curb violent crime, then gun-control is an irrelevant debate.

-- 
J. Giles
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: toby@milton.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns  (Was:  Re:  A random thought)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.191020.24361@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>
>Deer survived as a species for tens of thousands of years before we began
>hunting them "for their own good." Nature is red in tooth and claw and
>doesn't care what PETA thinks of her methods.  The starvation is at least
>partially due to hunters having wiped out all the natural predators.

Therefore, in the high arctic where snowy owls and arctic foxes
fly and run free, lemming populations will remain stable.
{   :) for the sarcasm-challenged}

>Famine and predators take the weakest, ultimately strengthening the herd
>and the species.  Hunters take the best and strongest (trophies, more
>meat), weakening the herd and the species.

Therefore, deer populations will diminish over time and "trophy"
heads will become scarce.  When this happens, let us hear you
"theory" again.

>Hunt if you want to, but call yourself a humane ecologist because of it
>and I'll call you a hypocrite.

It's still enough of a free country that ignorance may be displayed
freely.  Thanks for your contribution.

>(Yes, I eat some meat.  I know where it comes from and I don't try to
>pretend otherwise.  I certainly don't pretend the source animals have
>benefited from being raised and slaughtered so I can eat them).

Now who's the hypocrite?

>The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
>Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
>3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
>Santa Monica, CA  90405

Toby Bradshaw


quit
Santa Monica, CA  90405

Toby Bradshaw
From: dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Every Successfully Untaxed?
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:44:55 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

tek@ms.uky.edu (Thomas E. Kunselman) writes:

>pkershaw@dce.com writes:

>>One organization has untaxed over 30,000 people in the past 7 years. They
>>[...]

>And what are the names of these two organizations?

Really -- I'd like to know the answer to that question myself.

Well?
-- 
Dave Bushong, KZ1O@K1UGM.MA
Wang Laboratories, Inc.
Internet: dbushong@wang.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gross)
Subject: Re: Candidates and their women
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:49:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <STEINMAN.92Aug4084513@hawk.is.morgan.com> steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
>I just heard a report this morning that Bush soundly rebuked his
>campaign manager for writing a press release that made references to
>Clinton's "bimbos". Also, my spouse just returned from UK, where she
>said the press is full of stories about Bush's womanizing in the past.
>
>Was there a deal? I'd guess that Bush has the most to lose from
>stories of his infidelety making headlines, so did his people and
>Clinton's people get together and say, "Okay then, no sex in this
>campaign?"

Actually, there is no accounting for the British tabloid press.  Those
people thrive on innuendo and rumor.

The American media has indeed dug into this and so far all they can
find is the word of one man who is now dead.  There is no other
evidence to suggest that Bush had an affair with anyone, including
Jennifer Fitzgerald.  Unfortunately for Clinton, his paramour has come
forward and revealed all.

The American media will indeed dig into the personal life of any
politician, if there is sufficient evidence to warrant such action.
There is no hands-off policy.  However, there is plenty of news
concerning both candidates apart from their sexual trysts to occupy
the media and the voters.

Gene

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