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From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:40:05 GMT

>>>Let's hear about the problems here. Anyone care to say what problem is
>>>not receiving its due attention because of the focus on Somalia?
>>
>>No problem.
>>
>>	High unemployment
>>	Hunger -- that's right. Right here in the good old U. S.
>>	The highest homeless rate since the Great Depression
>>	Loss of constitutional rights
>>	Oppressive taxation
>>	Government corruption
>>	Gigantic deficit spending
>>	Large numbers of businesses failing
>>	High crime rates
>>	Growing trade deficit
>>	Destruction of the environment.
>>
>>Shall I continue?

No, actually we've all heard this line enough, thank you very much.

It's the concept of mutual exclusivity that boggles me.  Why should it be
impossible to address these problems AND help other coutries?  Have you
taken any kind of look at the financial scale you are talking about?  Would
stopping all of our world aid programs give us enough cash to solve all of
our problems, while not damaging our foreign markets (you remember, the
people who buy our goods and keep our trade deficit down)?

I think if you count every dime spent on Somalia by the US it wouldn't be
more than a fart in the wind to the kind of funds that any one of these
areas need.  In case you haven't noticed, these areas are all subject to
constant public debate, committees, programs...  The main roadblock to
solving any of them is the contradictory needs of different groups (Save
the Owl! [increase unemployed lumber workers, loose homes, create more
streetpeople]/ Save the Timber Industry! [destroy primeaval forest,
biological diversity...])  If you're so bloody smart, why don't you tell us
the answers we've been waiting to hear?

Small-minded thinking and the application of simple "solutions" to
massively complex problems is the very foundation of the problems we have.
I guarantee that any of the tunnel-visioned efforts of people who sound
like the previous poster will destroy one group while blindly helping
another.

All you folks who feel like this previous poster - go to some town
meetings, state, city, federal debates...  If you can follow the issues
there for a few weeks and still think you have some really hot, simple
solutions that no one else thought of (or that the Big Bad People won't
implement because They like to watch the Little People Suffer), you're
either extremely perceptive or dumb as a brick.

My guess is that most of these whiners have never set foot inside a city
council, much less made a concerted attempt to change something.  Those
few of you who have and are still pissed at the slug-like response you
get, pardon my tirade and keep plugging.

-chris blask
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:04:40 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
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Since long I've given up hope, but, I thought this news group was about
Somalia. Why don't those of you who lack an interest in that place post 
your comments to appropriate news groups? Let's keep alt.current-events.
somalia an arena for debate and information about events related to that
country! 


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From: jota@mujave.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins)
Subject: Re: Testing a what ?
Reply-To: jota@iguana.inesc.pt
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:30:10 GMT

In article <u9222774.727644330@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, u9222774@sys.uea.ac.uk (A. Moyns) writes:
|> Testing something or other, but what exactly???


	well, the problem is that some people spend their lives posting tests.
	
	Another problem is the proliferation of useless newsgroups !
	Can someone tell me what  is this for ? Just ony more newsgroup that
	wont last a week ?


-- 
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 "cover my face while the animals cry [...],	
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From: cannabis@anarky.tch.org (Keeper of the Cheese)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: Post
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:41:22 PST
Organization: The Canned Ham, San Jose, CA (408) 971-8530

 
I posted, I'M WASTING BANDWITH (next I'm goin to talk with my mouth full 
and run with sharp objects, and make funny faces till my face stays that 
way!!!!)
 
 
don't worry folks, it's part of my treatment

Newsgroups: alt.tla
From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: Testing a what ?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:41:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.003010.2510@inesc.pt> jota@iguana.inesc.pt writes:
->	Another problem is the proliferation of useless newsgroups !
->	Can someone tell me what  is this for ? Just ony more newsgroup that
->	wont last a week ?

Actually, this newsgroup has been around for months, and is very *very*
infrequently posted to.  In fact, I've still not seen whether it was intended
for TLA's (Three Letter Acronyms) (and the related ETLA's, Extended ...), or
for palindromes...
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From: u9222774@sys.uea.ac.uk (A. Moyns)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: Testing a what ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:25:30 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

Testing something or other, but what exactly???

--


Andrew
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Xref: sparky alt.ketchup:6 alt.cesium:324
From: cs291@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan A. Rochkind)
Newsgroups: alt.ketchup,alt.food.dennys,alt.cesium
Subject: ketchup on crackers at Dennys
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:21:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cs291@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan A. Rochkind)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I like ketchup with my cesium on crackers. Dennys has a special on it. $.50
for a plate, or $.75 for the ketchup-cesium-cracker slam (with french
fries).  I have found that the magnetic silverware at Dennys enhances teh
taste of the ketchup-cesium crackers.
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:54:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.155748.9858@cs.uwp.edu> kent@cs.uwp.edu (Karen Kent) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.055103.18591@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> jbjenkin@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jason B. Jenkins) writes:
>>
>>On a related subject, that has probably been discussed before, what do you
>>use to generically refer to carbonated cola soft drinks?  (pop, coke,
>>soda, etc?)
>
>I am from Wheeling, West Virginia.  We call knitted hats "toboggans",
>and I believe that people from southwestern Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh,
>also call them toboggans.  And, of course, we call a can of Pepsi a
>can of POP, unlike most of the rest of the world, it seems.  I now live
>in Wisconsin, and when I used to ask for "pop", people looked at me VERY
>strangely.  Now it seems that I've been midwesternized, because when I'm
>back in West Virginia, I ask for "soda" and get the same strange looks!
>

Im an original Midwesterner misplaced out here in Mass.
I called it both Pop and Soda back home.
It was argued all the time back in HS.
People would know what your talking about but they would say:
"Oh you mean pop." or vice versa.
Now that I am out here, where I meet people from all over.
Down in texas (my best friends are from there)
the call everything a coke.  They say:
"hey, want a coke?"
I say sure.  They say" What kind? Coke, pepsi, 7up, Dr Pepper, lemonade?"
Then again, the New Englanders out here call all carbonated
beverages "tonic" and Liquor stores "package stores"  I imagine
because people always walk out, with brown bottle shapped packages ? :)

Derek

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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: "A cold dope and a Moon Pie..."
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:30:10 GMT

FWIW, soft drinks are called "dope" around Appalachia and the South
because of the fact that Coca-Cola used to actually contain small amounts
of cocaine around the turn of the century.  Basically, in this part of the
contry the term stuck.

--Aaron


Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:40:11 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan25.192832.3298@mlb.semi.harris.com> luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni) writes:

>In article <25JAN199312293827@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
>>
>>Down home (southern W.Va, Wyoning Co.) we call pop...pop ;-)  And yes, I 
>>always put peanuts in my Coke!!!!  These poor yankees don't know what's 
>>good.  I have even managed to convert my wife (native of Pittsburgh Pa.) 
>>into a coke and peanuts lover.
>So what is exactly the definition of a yankee?  I mean all of these WV people
>talking as if they aren't yankees.   WV fought with the North during the
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Civil War so that would make them (us, I'm from St. Albans WV) yankees 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>wouldn't it.  Anyway Civil War seems like an oxymoron to me, how can
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a war be civil?  And when southerners say that the south is going to
>do it again what does that mean? Lose?


WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My great-great-grandfather was born in what is now Monroe County, WV,
lived his entire life in Monroe and Greenbrier Counties, but _NEVER_,
_NEVER_, _NEVER_ considered himself a "Yankee".  He fought in the War
of Northern Agression on the side of the South, and I have the service
records to prove it (as well as the rifle, shotpouch, and powder horn
he used in the war).

Before you make such broad generalizations, you better get your facts
straight.  There were many, many border counties included in the state
when West Virginia was formed which were included simply because the
U.S. Congress said they would -- these counties never had any "say" in
the matter beforehand.

That's the reason there is a clause in the West Virginia constitution
which allows any county to secede from West Virginia and return to the
state of Virginia, simply by a majority vote.  In 1984 Mercer County
held such a vote, and the return to Virginia was defeated by only 
54% to 46%.  (This is from memory.  I was born in Princeton, my dad's
parents and sister still live there, and there was even some limited
national news coverage about it.)

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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:34:52 GMT

I was born and raised in Huntington, but I've always considered myself a
Yankee, not a Southerner.  Maybe it's because my mother's from just
outside New York City, but I''ve always felt that WV was more of a
Mid-Atlantic state than "the South."

In any event, the Federal Government does consider WV to be part of the
Northeast, whereas KY is in the South, and OH is the Midwest.  It's an odd
state of affairs.

BTW, the Governemnt also just recently declared the Eastern Panhandle to
be part of the Washington Metro area, so at least part of the state is
definitely in the Northeast Corridor.

--Aaron
From: schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (S. Schuyler Stultz)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Just what the hell is a yankee?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:10:17 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <16B61CEAD.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
>is a yankee. Oh yeah, and according to an early southern writer,
>a damn yankee is a yankee who won't stay there.
>                                 Scott McMillan

I've heard the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee as:
A yankee will come down south and visit, maybe go to school.
A damn yankee moves in.


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From: fuhrman@litsun.epfl.ch (Cris Fuhrman)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Grief in outhouses across Appalachia
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:25:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.appalachian
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology

With the recent announcement that Sears will no longer continue its
catalogs, what steps are being taken to rectify this problem in Appalachia?

Will it have an impact?

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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Re: "A cold dope and a Moon Pie..."
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:39:32 GMT

In article <24JAN93.20592868@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov> nestorm@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov writes:

>I remember this! And I know people who consider this soul food. My mother,
>who was either an early health nut or incurably cheap (probably both), never
>let us kids have Moon Pies at all -- we got flat Coke, or sometimes ginger
>ale, when we were "down with" whatever stomach virus was making the rounds.
>Such a deprived childhood. [:-)]
>Richard Hargrove is right about Moon Pies. Those of us in the know prefer
>the Goo-Goo Cluster -- chocolate, peanuts, caramel, and marshmallow. No food
>value whatsoever, but I have seen people scarf them down like there was no
>tomorrow.

>Bonnie
>NESTORM@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov
>Disclaimer: My opinions, not ORNL's, Martin Marietta's, or anyone else's
>            (unless you happen to concur).


    Yeah boy!  Nothing like an "R. C. Cola and a Moon Piiii."

Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: dougg@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Doug.Gilliam)
Subject: Toboggan/Pop with Peanuts
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:15:21 GMT


In article <16B5EA935.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> you write:
>In article <1993Jan22.155748.9858@cs.uwp.edu>
>kent@cs.uwp.edu (Karen Kent) writes:
>>
>>I am from Wheeling, West Virginia.  We call knitted hats "toboggans",
>> ( line deleted )          And, of course, we call a can of Pepsi a
>>can of POP, unlike most of the rest of the world, it seems.  I now live
>>in Wisconsin, and when I used to ask for "pop", people looked at me VERY
>>strangely.  Now it seems that I've been midwesternized, because when I'm

I'm from Wise, Virginia and we call knitted hats toboggans too.
(Also, as someone else mentioned, some people say it .. toe-boggan.)

>>back in West Virginia, I ask for "soda" and get the same strange looks!
>>
>Realizing Chicago is different from the rest of the Midwest, I was
>still surprised to hear from you that midwesterners call carbonated
>drinks "soda" insted of "pop". Every convenience store I have seen
>here has signs advertising the price of a "pop". This always makes
>me laugh, as being from Georgia, I know that carbonated drinks are
>generically referred to as "coke", "cola", or more properly "coca
>cola", (pronounced "co-cola"). Has anybody besides me ever heard of
>putting salted peanuts in a bottle of coke? Maybe it's just a
>north Gerogia thing.
>                                   Scott McMillan

When I was growing up we called it pop if we were speaking generically;
if we were talking about a specific brand we would say pepsi, coke, etc.
My uncle used to come in from Baltimore and ask if we wanted a soda and
we didn't know what he was talking about at first.  Since then though,
I have gotten in the habit of calling it soda (or soft drink)  
when speaking about it generically.

We used to put salted peanuts in all different kinds of soft drinks.
My favorite was with one of the original cokes.  I don't care what they
say, they never did get the original coke back to the way it used to be.
Even if you find what they refer to as original coke in a deposit bottle,
is's not nearly as good as it was in the 60's.  I don't even like
coke any more ... I like pepsi better these days.

Doug Gilliam


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From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: "A cold dope and a Moon Pie..."
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:51:14 -0500

I liked Moon Pies when I was a little kid, but I preferred Scooter Pies.  Now I
can't believe that I actually ate either of those concoctions.

Foulness!
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: mac@ur.utk.edu (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: Re: Melungeon
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:21:57 GMT

In article <1k1aukINNbnc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:


>I know something about this sort of person who may be descendants
>of the ill-fated Croatan colony. Any one know more about them
>and/or the Lumbees? References?
>-- 
>Ted....

The Melungeons' home turf is a little north of here, around Sneedville, 
Tennessee.  Lots of theories about them (one so far fetched as to call
them one of the lost tribes of Israel !), but I don't think anyone has
ever definitively explained their lineage.  There aren't many full blooded
Melungeons left.  There is an outdoor ampitheater in Sneedville and years
ago, some friends of mine were involved in a summer production there about
the history of the Mulungeons called "Walk Toward the Sunset".  I spent a
couple of weeks camping up there and met 8 or ten full blooded folks.  A
striking looking people, olive dark skin, blue or blue/green eyes, and
blonde hair.

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From: marcel@utkvx1.utk.edu (I'm Dan, I'm Des, I'm Dan, I'm Des, I'm so confused!!!)
Subject: Re: Melungeon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:16:00 GMT

In article <1k1aukINNbnc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes...
> 
>I know something about this sort of person who may be descendants
>of the ill-fated Croatan colony. Any one know more about them
>and/or the Lumbees? References?
>-- 
>Ted....
The last I heard, (in an Intro to Cultural Anthro class about a year ago),
the newest theory of the origin of the Melungeons is that their Caucasoid/
Negroid heritage came from the survivors of a Spanish shipwreck further
south down the coast.  Can't give references or vow as to it's authenticity,
however.

--Dan
marcel@utkvx.utk.edu
From: brance@outrider.Kodak.COM (Michael Branciforte)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Melungeon/Lumbee
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:38:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

-- 

I used to go with a beautiful young lady from Maxton, N.C. who was of the 
Lumbee "tribe".  It is my understanding that the Lumbee have never been 
officially recognized by the government (and therefore cannot receive what-
ever benefits there might be), because they are supposedly the "off-spring"
of Scotch-Irish "southern aristocracy" and African-American slaves.

I have absolutely no authoritative references for this, only the firsthand 
discussions with my ex-lady and her people. 


Mike Branciforte   

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time-based competitiveness, higher quality, and lower costs.

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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Re: Nice Drive
Keywords: crosses nationwide "Get right with God"
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:25:12 GMT


>>      I believe he's following in the footsteps of a man from >my<
>>neck of the woods (Middlesboro, KY) who spent most of his life putting up
>>those large concrete crosses that said "Get Right With God."  I can't
>>remember his name, but he passed away I guess 10 years ago or so.  I haven't
>>seen any along the roads for a long time, but there are still two in
>>his fron yard in Middlesboro, one of his children inherited the house and
>>decided to keep the last two he did.  I remember they were all through
>>KY and TN, at least along I-75 and 25E and 33 inKY and TN.  Has anyone
>>else seen these?  Are there any still left?  I'd hate to think of them
>>all going by the wayside, so to speak.  It was kind of comforting, being
>>able to tell how close to home I was by the number of those crosses I saw.


>There are some in western North Carolina. I know of at least one set of
>the three crosses in Transylvania County near the South Carolina border.
>I think there is another set near Hendersonville, NC. They've been there
>several years (at least 4). I read a newspaper article about the guy who
>was responsible for placing the crosses there but I can't recall his name.
>Anyway they were not put there by the KKK.

>-Anita 

   I saw one near Elizabethon, Tenn. very close to the N.C. State line. (In 
   fact, it may have been barely in N.C.)

   --P. Teagarden   pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu
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