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From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.204807.29322@cbnews.cb.att.com> 
   ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:

>Well, it's true that your foot release _most easily_ by twisting it.
>So if you fall over slowly and forget to twist, you will be stuck in
>the pedal.  However, the retaining plate will also yield to an upward
>force that is large enough;  

I would imagine this depends on the specific pedal.   It will depend
on the method of retention used.  For instance, the new Speedplay 
pedals are supposed to use a mechanical retention that will not release-
no matter how much upforce is generated.

>so in a crash, you will always come out
>of the pedals without having to twist.  I've been in many crashes with
>both Look-type and SPD pedals, and they have always released.  This is
>why the Looks were originally marketed as a "safety" pedal.  Has
>anyone ever crashed at speed in a clipless pedal and not released?

Only once, a few years ago.  I was descending at ~35mph when my tires let 
go on a sweeping left hand corner (First corner on the front side of hwy 
84 for BA locals).  I slid on my hip, ankle, and elbow, ending up in a 
crumpled heap against the guard-rail: still clipped in to both pedals.  
Although the road was dry, I forgot to take into account the fact that my 
tires were still wet from a misty descent from the top of Kings Mountain- 
oh well, a painfull lesson well learned.
>
>John_Ampe@att.com

Ryan Border.
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Buyers Co-op
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:27:34 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Apr10.151656.4127@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:

   I would certainly support a bike coop if their prices offered an
   appropriate amount of savings.  But, by the time that
   distributor/manufacturer relationships are established, catalogs are
   printed & sent, & advertising no matter now frugal is paid for, an
   order-taking & shipping center is set up, I really wonder if a coop is
   going to be able to offer substantial savings.

Mountain Equipment Co-op based in Vancouver (British Columbia that is)
sells some bike related stuff (clothes, racks,...) but does not deal
with bits and pieces. They have problems with manufacturer who will
not sell to them because of pressure from other retailers. For
example, they use to sell Blackburn racks at a pretty good price until
last year when Blackburn caved into pressure by bike shops and won't
sell to them anymore. They now have a house brand rack which is
actully much cheaper than those Blackburn racks anyways.

[They have developed their own line of many things because many
manufacturer won't sell to them after being pressured by retailers.]

I would guess REI use to have the same problems until they start
charging something close to what all those other retailers sell.

So, yes, a co-op can provide fair savings but it is significant amount
of work up front and lots of barriers to hurdle.

[They have the vetta bike computer's for CDN$25.00 in their catalog
which is even cheaper than Trashbar but they don't have the same
selection as Trashbar]

--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Dumb Lifecycle (was Dumb Huffy Ad)
Summary: damn uncomfortable
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:32:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr15.171356.14150@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> ooo@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (paul.d.schmitter) writes:
>the now requisite helmets, but their seats are so low that I'm surprised
>they don't get black eyes from their knees hitting their heads.  When
>
>+----------------+-----------------------------------------+------------------+
>| Paul Schmitter |      	 	 		   |pds1@ihlpb.att.com|
>| AT&T Bell Labs |		  			   |  (708) 979-5636  |
>+----------------+-----------------------------------------+------------------+

Menetioning a lot seat height reminds me of yesterday at a health club.
I went to one with a friend who has a memebership.  I wanted to see
what those lifecycles were made of.  I raised the seat to the best possible
height possible, but without toe straps (some had them)  riding that thing
was so uncomfortable.  Not to mention boring as hell!  Not to brag but I
set the thing on level 12 for 24 minutes and a "Hill" terain type.
This is the hardest workoone can set on the machine.  I know I could have done
a couple of sets in succesion but I would have fallen asleep from boredom.
But my rear would have kept me awake.  I'll take my Turbo over those stupid-
wide sprung seats any day.


Anyway, on to more complaining.  What I was going to say that once I finished
I saw some really tall guy get on a life-cycle when the seat was all the way
down.  His thighs were horizontal.  Can we say clueless!

John Erhardt
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Kestrel advice wanted
Keywords: Kestrel, advice, wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:10:16 GMT

danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>Here are the weights of frames minus forks from some 2 year old road tests:
>Serotta Colorado II (64cm)  5lb 4oz
>Klein (63cm)                4lb 4oz
>Kestrel 4000 (60cm)         4lb 0.5oz (can't round)
>Merlin (61cm)               3lb 12oz
>And more recently:
>Bontrager RACE lite (15")   3lb 14oz (steel-ATB)
>I`m pretty amazed!  Yes, I'm comparing a smaller Bontrager to the Merlin
>but it's probably only off by 2 sizes.  
Big difference between the road frame sizes you list and a 15 inch Bontrager.
I'm not at all surprised by the difference in weight.  I think people are
missing one of the most important reasons for having a light frame and
components, its simply more fun to ride!  It doesn't matter to a lot of
people whether a light bike will make them a millisecond faster, they
just enjoy the bike more because its light.
-Terry
From: Howard.Gerber@urchin.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headsets (Stronglight?)
Date: 01 Apr 92  23:58:36 CST

Mark Chandler (chandler@wc.novell.com) writes:

 MC> Does anyone have any experience with the Stronglight roller/needle
 MC> bearing headsets? I saw one on a Lippy tandem that looked quite
 MC> sturdy, but I'm a bit leery of "non-standard" components.

Yes, the StrongLight roller bearing headset is an execellant quality component. It is standard on most U.S. build Schwinn Paramounts. One word of warning, though, it has a high stack height and may not fit all forks.

 * Origin: Commies, witches, atheists and bikers (1:106/88.0)
From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:22:20 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <64R.02ci0fzo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III) writes:
>One other point, I believe it should be MANDATORY to take a basic
>skills class before you get a USCF license.  Where else can
>you get a license to travel 30+ miles per hour, inches from your
>opponent with out any proof that you can handle this situation?
>Fact is, the sport is dangerous and basic skills should be learned
>before entering any USCF-sponsered event.

There is only one problem with this, you would probably kill of 90% of
the new riders.  From what I see in this thread, people have really
bad memories.  Crash 4 has been raised one level on the totem--but,
this was done by digging a hole and installing another rung on the
ladder. This doesn't make it any higher.  The people who are bitching
should be the CAT 5's.  They are supposed to be in races of 50
or less with new riders and then they are being thrown in with
larger fields and (from what I am reading) a bunch of riders who
have greater egos than skills.  
If you don't want to get caught in a crash, don't race!!!   
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From: bdombrow@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Brent Dombrowski)
Subject: Re: Oklahoma Bike Law (Danger to Cyclists, READ it Les E.)
Keywords: bike law legislation wrong side of road
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:11:41 GMT

	I am a student and The Univeristy of Oklahoma.  I depend on my bicycle
to get me around town.  I would like to now more about this law that has been
proposed.  I have only been in Oklahoma a few months, but I personally would not
put it past the state legislature to pass such a law.  Friends of mine who have
lived here all there lives would not put it past them either.  Could some one
please e-mail me information on this.

Thanks in advance,



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From: bstein@engws6.ic.sunysb.edu (Brian Stein)
Subject: Help with Cat IV/V Distinction
Originator: bstein@engws6.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:04:45 GMT

About to race, or at least thinking about it (and yet to get the Bicycle
issue with the Cat IV/V run down), there are a few things I would like to
know:

    - How long is the average race in the novice (V?) class and what do
      the riders average

    - What is a typical course layout?

    - Are there as many crashes as I imagine from reading all of posts here?

    - Why wouldn't someone get the international license (is the cost not the
      same?)

I know, the best way to find out is go, watch, then race.  I will.  Also, if
anyone has some advice/hints on how to stay clear of pile-ups, please let
me know.

Thanks.

Brian

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Wanted: SunTour pedals
Summary: I want SunTour XC-Compe/MP-1000 pedals
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:22:52 GMT

I'm looking for a pair of the old-style SunTour XC-Compe
(mountain bike) pedals.  These are the ones that started
out as the MP-1000 BMX pedals.  They feature sealed cartridge
bearings and replaceable cages (you can use Superbe road cages
with them).  They sort of resemble the BMX/rat-trap pedals
that came on very early mountain bikes (note: these are NOT
the oval-caged "bear trap"-style pedals).

If anyone has a pair (in very good condition), or knows of
a source for them, please contact me.  Thanks in advance.


--
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chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
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From: iyermish@sjuphil.uucp (I. Yermish)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cellular biking hazards
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:28:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sjuphil.1992Apr7.192800.18733
Organization: Saint Joseph's University

In article <1992Apr6.071623.2226@news.Hawaii.Edu> blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.223035.10735@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>>
>>One day I called my friend for a Saturday ride.  He said he couldn't make
>>it, so I took off.  Later, he showed up at my destination with another
>>friend and they had a cellular phone strapped to one of the water
>>bottle cages.  No, he couldn't answer it while riding, but he did
>>use it to call home.
>>-Case
>
>My Dad has a "hands off" cellular car phone which can be programmed 
>to automatically answer when the phone rings and it has a mike
>attached to the visor so that he doesn't have to take his hands off the
>wheel. I can just see some busy executive who likes to ride bikes
>hooking one of these up on their bike. 
>:-)
>Kristin


Argghhh....  Half the fun of riding is getting away from those darn things.
It's a nightmare to think that before you know it they will have a telephone
built into a cycle computer ...
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: XXX Schwinn (was Touring Bike Recommendations)
Organization: CSI Dept., University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 03:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.231455.4851@ac.dal.ca> wulfie@ac.dal.ca writes:
>They are an excellent flex free load platform,
>come with cantilever brakes and will not corrode.
> 

BZZZZTT!  Thank you for playing.

Aluminium corrodes quite readily under exposure to harsh chemical such as
sodium chloride (salt.)  Even though freshly polished aluminium reacts with
humidity in air immediately to produce a thin film of aluminium oxide, further
corrosion occurs.  Air leak is a common problem on automotive aluminium rims
due to corrosion.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: N.W. Choe <nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Triathletes anyhow
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:08:24 GMT

Now, Larry, don't take this personally.

It's been my experience that a lot of triathletes don't do road races
because they don't like the feeling of being boxed in going around turns
at 30mph. This is fine. However, I would like to point out that the
reason that they fear this is because they often do not HAVE the handling
skills necessary. It's a catch-22, since it's hard to learn the skills
without racing. Anyhow, what I'm saying is that the worst squirrels that
I know are triathloners. Well, they have strength, a singleminded ability
to go solo, but smooth line? No.


*        	*      	*      	*      	*
N.W. Choe
nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Beaver Consulting Co. Chicago
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:19:05 GMT

In article <00958CA7.0FB169C0@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO> dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:
>Thus spoke the keyboard of Mike Fester:

And damn fine words they are, too. 

>>In California, if 5 or more vehicles are lined up behind you waiting to pass, 
>>you are required by law pull over as soon as safely possible to allow them 
>>to pass. Most cops I've talked to interpret this (in the case of bicycles) to 
>>mean "immediately". 

>Are bikers required to look back one or twice a minute just to check if there
>is more than 5 cars lined up behind him? I don't think this is very safe
>from a bikers point of view.

Doesn't matter what you think. That's the law. If you don't believe that,
try arguing with a cop.

>>Now, I just had a pleasant little ride last weekend on California 35, 264, and
>>9. Plenty of bicyclists on 35, I didn't see any on the other roads. When
>>approaching them from behind, I honked my horn from about 100 yards behind.

>Why do cars need to honk when they approach bikes? As a biker I find this very
>annoying. Some cars does honk when they are just some meters behind the bike.
>I have seen several bikers who has been scared because of this annoying
>honking. A scared biker might do things which can be fatal for him/her.

100 yards is more than a few meters. And I was on a motorcycle. And only one
person seemed to think it inconvenient to make sure he was out of the line 
of (potential) danger.

>>Most pulled over farther to the right. There was one exception, but as
>>there was no approaching traffic, I merely swerved around him (had there been
>>an approaching car, I would have slowed much more than I did; in any event,
>>this clown pulled FARTHER to the left, but I was way in the other lane by this
>>time. One of these days, that clown will be a statistic. Oh well).

>Do you want to be statistics too (exept that you be in another column)?

Hunh?

>>So in general, MOST bicyclists were reasonably safe, and I don't have any
>>real problem with them on these roads.

>Most cars is not any problem for bikers, but the one out of 100 that drive
>unsafe might kill some just to save some seconds or because the driver didn't
>find it convenient (sp?) enough to move his foot to the brake pedal!

Wasn't in a car, I was on a motorcycle. Let me ask some other bicyclists: was
my post offensive?

Mike
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From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Cycling coverage
Originator: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:59:28 GMT

If your local TV/Radio/Newspaper services are anything like mine,
you seldom, if ever, get to see coverage of world-class cycling events,
not to mention local events.   The only event that does get coverage here
is the Tour de France, and  the local newspaper only lists the stage
winner and overall winner for each day... no times or distances or stage
info of any type.  

Well, I'm not going to go through another summer of poor cycling coverage
without trying to do something about it.  I want to send a complete list of
North American and European/overseas cycling (road, MTB, endurance, cylocross)
events, to the local sports editors.  Maybe this will prompt some action.

If you have places and dates of 1992 cycling events, both past and upcomming,
please e-mail them to me so that I can make this list as complete as possible.

Thanks in advance

Dennis Gorrie                           gorriede@max.cc.uregina.ca
gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca           gorrie@meena.cc.uregina.ca
         "I used to be apathetic, but now I don't care..."
From: andrew@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Andrew Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Open season for cyclists...
Keywords: wreck.bicycles
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:38:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Originator: andrew@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu

Hi folks,

Now that spring if finally here in the Northeastern part of the United
States, it seems like more than just love is in the air for many
motorists. I don't know what it is about spring but based on personal
experience (within the last 24 hours), I'm guess that it's once again
open season for cyclists, ALL cyclists.

Yesterday, while training, I got involved in a near accident.  Ok,
pardon me for riding on the road, it's just that I don't like dealing with
the rollerbladers and joggers that have taken over the "bike" path.
Even worse, the drivers chewed me out for just being on the road.

But, I thought to myself, "That's ok, maybe they just have something
against cyclists that ride for fitness and exercise."  The kicker came
this morning, when I was biking into school.  This time, dressed as a
mild-mannered graduate student on a commuter bike, I nearly got into an
accident simply for obeying traffic laws -- although cars making left
turns are supposed to yield to oncoming cars at an interesection, it
seems like that rule does not apply to oncoming bikes.  But I guess
that the driver chewing me out this morning knew that he was wrong
because couldn't think of anything more constructive to say than a couple
of racial slurs.  I guess that biking should be added to the list of
things that Asians aren't good at.

In short, I urge everyone to be careful out there.  However, you'd be
surprised how many people value their auto insurace policy more than I
value my life (NOTE:  This rule of thumb can not be applied when the
driver in question has no insurance, so exercise judgment when trying
out this rule on the road).  Yes, it's quite a dangerous rule, but it
did keep me out of trouble while I worked as a bike messenger.

Have a good day!
--> Andrew Hsu
"Friends don't let friends drive"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Advice needed for biking in/near Berkeleley, CA
From: mjwilson@amherst.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:21:11 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <rjki4INNkco@agate.berkeley.edu>, mas@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Mason Wong) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.080013.14662@nmsu.edu> swostal@nmsu.edu (stephen wostal) writes:
>>How is the territory out there in Berkeley?  Is there lots of
>>hills/potholes/gravel/etc.?  Anyone have any recommendations for what
>>type of bike is best suited for urban Berkeley?
>
> [mtn bike recommendation deleted]
> Also, GET A NICE LOCK AND USE IT.  University police says that
> an average of two to three bikes are stolen on campus every DAY.
> 
> The rest of the city isn't much better.

This reminded me of one other thing: if you DO intend solely to commute,
your best bet might be to buy a re-hab street bike from Karim Cyclery
on the corner of Telegraph and Stuart.  They specialize in serving the
University crowd, with bikes that work great, but that you wouldn't miss
if stolen (and that are less likely to be stolen!).  The University _is_
a bike thief's heaven, though I personally think the rest of the city is
fine (ok, except for the corner of Center & Shattuck).

Good Luck,

-michael
mjwilson@amherst.edu