Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:12:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.210627.4440@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>In article <92Aug20.102845edt.160@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.003556.16931@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>>>In article <4329@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>>>>>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>>
[......] 
>>
>>Okay then, so put of the apology to China.  I didn't hear any 
>>Japanese apologies to North & south Korea, Chinese government in Taiwan, 
>>the Philippines, Malaysia, Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia, Camboalia[sp?],
>>Singapore, Hong Kong, Indonesia, the hundreds of thoudsands of kidnapped
>>military prostitutes from all over East & South East Asia, and from
>>Japan herself.  the hundreds of thoudsands POWs in death camps from US, Canada,
>>Britian, the non-white POWs it masscared(you guys really got off easy,
>>don't you know that?)  the millions forced laborers from all over 
>>East & South East Asia, the people they used for live germ-warfare experiements,
>>the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.  
>>
>>Let's face it, they just won't apologize to ANYBODY.  Who's
>>being hypocritical?   
>
>Okay. Now we're getting closer to my point. Some (not all) of those
>other countries wouldn't be nearly as hypocritical as China in asking
>for an apology. So maybe they could get away with morally.  But Japan
The only reasons some Asian governments are being HYPOCRITICAL regarding
WWII are because Japan will wave some Yen in front of the Asian 
prime ministers and presidents, that usually shut them up, and not to
speak out for their people.  
   
>WON'T apologize to ANYBODY anyway so why not divert this energy into
>something that gets you somewhere?
>
We are not spending all our time demanding an apology.  There are always
a few "professionals" running around, what's new?  

>I've suggested building a large monument or museum in Nanking so that
>no murdered Chinese will be forgotten. You can't make the Japanese

An apology, and write the truth in text books  will certainly remind 
the people so it won't be forgotten.  

>apologize (and your demands annoy people and cause them to lose
>sympathy for you; you shouldn't let that happen!), but you can make

so if I kill you grandparents with out any remorse, have some 
lawyer got me off.  If you bitch about it, will cause people to 
lose sympathy for you?   

>sure that no one in the world, not even the one single Japanese,
>forgets *exactly* what happened in Nanking.

That's why an apology and an accurate picture of history is needed,
the way some Japanese history books are written, in another
generation some Japanese will believe that the US of A and China 
attacked Japan, not the other way around. 

>
>In all the time you've wasted arguing over an apology you won't get
>you could have posted how many people were killed. How they were
>killed. Over how many days they were killed. Various specific stories
>of eyewitnesses.  You could have uploaded scanned photographs to ftp

300,000 to 400,000 killed during the rape of Nanjing.  The city itself
is the witness, so are the hundreds of western diplomats and missionaries
if that is what you call accurate eyewitnesses.  As for the total 
number in the war, it's at least 12 million, some say as hi as 30 million.
We know he numbers very well.  But the government of Japan will acknowledge
no such numbers, blabing Japanese troops "entered China", "Advanced
into the (so-called) Manchuria, "a number of people"  were killed
in the conflict due to the "resistance effort".  The words "invasion",
"occupation" are not used for "sensitivity".   


>sites.  You obviously know that the Japanese Gov't wont apologize to
>you, why do you keep wasting time and energy?!? If the Japanese wont
>produce a textbook you can accept why don't you print your own and

Asian countries do print their own history book.  

>distribute it outside of Japanese schools yourselves. USE YOUR

There are plenty of Japanese books tell the truth, they are not
using them in school.  

>IMAGINATION!!!  News of Japanese police trying to stop you would be
>broadcast all over the world. You would gain supporters not lose them.
>You would spread the word of what happened more effectively. It makes
>sense to me but I guess all you(pl)'re interested in is whining about
>who owes who an apology for what.
>
I doubt many people will have the time, energy, and money to run
around the world handing out leaflets like some Born Again Christian
brothers.  But what is wrong with speaking out for something?  
since stating an opinion is whining?  The word is spreading, 
I doubt military advanturists will have such a easy time if
they ever decide to try again in Asia.    
>-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
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