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From: serdar@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Serdar Uckun)
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.181433.10588@cc.umontreal.ca> u1766@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Verreault Jean-Francois) writes:
>THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY BOOTLEGS!!!
>
>If you see a live recording you've never heard of before, that doesn't mean
>it's automatically a bootleg... First, let's take the example of Italy: In
>Italy, if you have a live recording and want to make a record with it, IT'S
>LEGAL! There's one thing you have to do: deposit a small amount of money for
>every record sold ("Royalties") to a special italitan bank (can't remember the
>name...). If the band of which you took the recording ever wants to complain,
>you just give them their royalties, and they can't complain anymore. That's the
>way it works in Italy, and in Japan too I think...
>

Partially correct.  You can do this only after the recording is 15
(fifteen) years old.  This weird Italian law dates back to 1941.
Anyway, the recording is still a bootlegged recording (technically
speaking) since it has been obtained without the permission of the
artist.

-- 
the golden rod disappeared        the green trouser-suit was left on a hanger,
with a dry-cleaning ticket pinned to the left arm.  On the ticket was written:
		NAME:    ........................................ Serdar Uckun
		ADDRESS: ...........................serdar@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: CD ROT: NO JOKE !!!
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:46:51 GMT

While reading article <CHARLES.92Apr3155436@netcom.netcom.com>, I noticed that
charles@netcom.netcom.com (Charles R. Hoynowski) said the following:
 >In article <RJC.92Apr3174231@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:

Sigh...

Around and around we go:

 >Well, I can't speak for Paul but I play my vinyl on a diamond tipped
 >needle.  And in my expeirance dragging a sharp diamond point around a soft 
 >vinyl disk *does* substantially degrade the surface of the disk.  Even
 >when you use an expensive Ortiphon cartrige and a linear tracking 
 >turntable as I do.

Yes, playing an album does indeed wear the disc, but if you use a high quality
system (say a Linn LP12 + Lingo) and cartridge, the wear should be negligible.

 >Even under long-term light play the cd will sound a lot better than the
 >record.  Under *any* conditions CDs are a 'good thing' when compared
 >to records or tapes. 

Huh?  I'm one of those "wacky" audiophiles that argues CDs don't sound quite
as good as an LP played back on good equipment.  Does a $300 CD player sound
better than a $300 turntable?  IMO, yes.  Does a $5000 CD transport/DA convertor
sound better than a $5000 turntable/tonearm/cartridge combo?  Not necessarily.

[ soapbox on ]

A lot of this comes down to the same problem as resolving audible differences
between interconnects or speaker cables.  If you have a $2000 rack system, you
may not ever hear the nuances of LP or the slight sonic differences present in
cables; however, perform the same test while listening to a pair of Apogee Divas
with DAX crossover driven by Levinson or Krell electronics, and you WILL hear
a difference.

[ soapbox off ]
-- 
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| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, not those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "It's Night 9 with D2 Dave!"
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:3887 rec.music.misc:13745 rec.music.bluenote:3217
From: yea045@muvms3.bitnet (Allen Clarkson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music
Subject: JOHN HIATT COMMENTS AND SUCH
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:08:45 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I'm working on an article for the John Hiatt Fan Club newsletter and need your
help.  If you have any comments about John's work past or present group[ or
solo, please post it or e-mail it to me.  If you put a reasonable disclaimer on
it it might get published in a future issue of the newsletter.  (reasonable
disclaimer =>  I release all rights of publication to the John Hiatt Fan Club
and grant permission for reprint of any part(s) of the statements contained
herein.)  That should work.

What?!?!?!?  Not in THE Fan Club?!?!?!?!?  See rec.music.misc around #8997 for
information and the address to write to for information.

Trying not to think about her when I'm trying to drive

ACC
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: CD's - buying, selling over the net.
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:38:39 GMT

In article <Apr.8.13.35.52.1992.9750@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes...

>[A bunch Valid points in defense of the CD selling traffic on the net.]

Some of us are not complaining about the fact that the things are being
sold, or the prices but that some of the sellers are doing things like
multiple postings of the same HUGE lists over and over (sometimes
within the same DAY.)

Why not post something like "I have CDs for sale, please e-mail me for
information/listing."

Many net-admins get news and pay for it. The transfer of the same 900+
line posting within the same day can start to cost MAJOR money. And
kill files don't work on batch transfers.

Before you post a huge list to the net, remember that some of us have
to PAY for the information. If someone is interested in purchasing
something they will contact you. If you have to put HUGE in the
subject, think three times before posting it.
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu.
Visit the music FTP archives at cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 16:02:34 EDT
From: Udo <MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CDs for sale


CDs for sale:

BMG = from BMG compact disc club
Columbia = from Columbia compact disc club
Prices include shipping.  All discs are in good condition...

Blur                    Leisure                         $9
Cars                    Greatest Hits                   $9
Galaxie 500             This Is Our Music               $9
Huey Lewis & the News   Fore!                  BMG      $7
Jesus & Mary Chain      Darklands                       $9
Replacements            Let It Be                       $9
Roxette                 Look Sharp!                     $9
Traveling Wilburys      Volume 1               BMG      $7
Tom Petty and the       Into the Great Wide Open        $9
Heartbreakers


Kid 'n Play             Face the Nation                 $9
Kool Moe Dee            Funke Funke Wisdom              $9
Queen Latifah           Nature of a Sista'    Columbia  $9
Terminator X & the Valley of the Jeep Beets   Columbia  $9

Works this way: You tell me what you want, and then send me a check.
When I get the check, I'll send you the disc(s)...

E-mail MDJ102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU.

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Subject: Re: New Lightfoot Album
Reply-To: sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Red Bank, N.J.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:33:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.231650.6216@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Wayne Francis) writes:
|> I read recently that Lightfoot was in the studio last fall recording
|> his first album of new material in almost 7 years.
|> 
|> If anyone has any information such as release date etc.,
|> please post or contact me via email.
|> 

Though not a new recording, Lightfoot fans should be interested in
the re-release of his first two albums, "Lightfoot" and "The Way I Feel"
on a single CD by Bear Family.  These two albums, originally released
on United Artists I believe, have long been out of print yet contain
some of Lightfoot's most memorable material.  

Bear Family, one of the premier re-release labels in Europe, specialize
in folk, country and blues releases, and are well-known for the
painstaking care they take in mastering the material they release.
Despite the age of some of the recordings they release, the CD usually
sounds wonderful.  The Lightfoot CD is no exception.

-- 
Spencer Kantor
Bell Communications Research

sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com
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From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:37:46 GMT
Subject: Re: CD rot --- actually known as Laser Rot (It exists!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd

In rec.music.cd, ray.chramega@mixcom.mixcom.com (ray.chramega) writes:

> Laser rot did exist! but only in laserdiscs. CDs weren't
> available in 1978. So you don't have to worry about CDs at all.

LaserDisc (LD) "laser rot" still exists.  One of my discs made in January
1991 has begun to die.  Compared to 1985 or so, the problem has been
dramatically reduced in LDs, to the point where I estimate that less than 2%
of new production is likely to be affected.  There is still a lot of mid-80s
LD production, and some early 80s production in the retail inventory, and
these discs are at higher risk.  If you buy LDs, particularly back-catalog
and used titles, you need to take steps to protect yourself (an FAQ on the
topic is available).

CDs can "rot" as well, although for different reasons, owing to their
entirely different substrate plastic and fabrication processes.  CDs are
much less at risk than LDs.  I estimate that less than 0.1% of CDs will
decay within a five year period.  Although I have seen numerous decayed LDs,
I have only personally examined one CD that decayed (due to improperly cured
label ink).

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                UUCP: [hplabs|hpfcse]!hpfcrjn!rjn     Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: The Primitives
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 02:32:12 GMT

Hi!

Are the Primitives still alive?  What have they done lately?
I have two of their albums "Lovely" and "Pure", both of which
I like immensely.  Is the "Lump of Coal" as good as the others?
Does anybody know why they aren't as popular as they ought to
be?

Finally, I noticed a very funny thing about the two CDs.  They
both have a common song.  This song is not there on the "Lovely"
LP.  But the CD has a song "Way Back When" which is also present
on the "Pure" CD.  And it sounds like the same version although
the two albums came out a year apart.  Has any other band done
this?

Thanks for any information about the Primitives,
Sanjoy Ghosh
ghosh@csrd.uiuc.edu
From: navon@cs.unc.edu (Jaime Navon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: BMG membership
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:29:57 GMT
Organization: UNC-Chapel Hill Computer Science

I have been in BMG for some months and I have already fulfilled
my obligations with them.  Can I go out and then enroll again
to get other 8 CD's almost free ?  If this is possible, Do I
need to send a letter with the renounce or a phone call will be enough ?

Thanks
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From: meza@techlaw.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CD in LA
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:27:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: techlaw.1992Apr15.182728.8337
Organization: MARGER JOHNSON McCOLLOM & STOLOWITZ Inc, Portland OR


	Any recommendations for a CD store in LA that has a wide  
selection of rock, alternative, obscure, oldies, progressive, and  
import CDs? 

	Thanks,

	Peter J. Meza
	meza@techlaw.com



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From: jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Keywords: NIRVANA, PARTRIDGE FAMILY, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:12:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.35091
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


For starters...companies like Great Dane and Yellow Dog who put out high
quality bootlegs pay enormous amounts of money to acquire some of the tapes
of the shows.  The new Yellow Dog "Get Back" CD by the Beatles has 8 bonus
tracks on it that someone paid upwards of $10,000.00 for.  I think my prices
are very fair...you can go to your local record store and buy a legit CD
by your favorite group and pay $15.00 for 10 songs and get ripped off.  What
is wrong with paying a little extra for material that is rare and in most
cases VERY GOOD.

John Young
jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James)
Subject: Heat and CD life
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:55:09 GMT

I know this has been asked before, so please bear with me.  How much
heat can a CD withstand?  A friend is thinking about getting a CD player
for her car, and she's worried about leaving her compact discs in the
car.  

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Teddie
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From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Looking for phone number of Island Records
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:36:47 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

jerryl@is.morgan.com (Jerry Liebelson) writes:

>Does anybody have a phone number for Island Records?

More relevantly, 
>Does anybody have the phone number for Island Compact Discs?


-- 
Mark McKinzie          | Listen, if they're going to buy lunch boxes,
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu | they might as well buy David Cassidy lunch boxes.
UW Dept. of Mathematics|
Madison, WI 53706      |            -David Cassidy-
From: jgthomas@crchh420.BNR.CA (John Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: BMG club info
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: jgthomas@crchh420.BNR.CA (John Thomas)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Can someone please re-post the mailing address for BMG?

I am sure this has been posted many times but I don't read
this newsgroup much and it's for a friend anway...

THANKS!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:18:04 CDT
From: David Hanley <U22015@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Cd protection?

  I have been made aware that it is the top layer of a cd that is sensitive
to scratching, not the bottom.  I have even discovered the painfully when
i dropped one and the top became scratched.  Thankfully only one track was
ruined and i can skip past it.  Is there any way to protect the top layer
without ricking harming it?  Like clear contact paper?  CD WAX(tm)?
Or what?


--DAVE!!!!!!!!!
From: dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Artist royalties on Record Club sales
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:43:12 GMT
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

In article <1992Apr10.231022.16747@uwm.edu> datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.143617.16322@predator.vpharm.com> dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:
>>In article <12141@tamsun.tamu.edu> mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee) writes:
>>>
>>>	...i don't know how many people realise this, but artists get 
>>>absolutely *no income* from sales made through record clubs...it's a matter
>>>of legal loopholes that all the major labels exploit...
>
>>WHAT?! This is absolutely wrong. The royalty structure for sales through
>>record clubs is sometimes different, depending on how contracts were
>>written, but the artists most assuredly get royalties for these sales.
>
>>Artists do not get royalties for *promotional copies* and cutouts. In fact,
>>the costs of producing the former are typically charged to the artist. 
>>Perhaps this is where you got confused.
>
>From _This Business of Music_, 6th Edition by Shemel & Krasilovsky
>
>Record Clubs And Premiums
>
>Artist Royalties
>
>A fairly Standard provision in agreements with American artists is that
>they receive one-half their usual royalty fee on sales through clubs
>and that no royalties are payable on bonus or free records distributed
>by clubs. The bonus and free records clauses tend to match the
>provisions in agreements between record compamies and the record clubs,
>and the lower royalties have been negotiated in the light of the
>royalties from the club.

While the royalty structure is different, as stated in the original
respones and the above paragraph, it is important to be aware that the
royalties paid usually depend on accounting practices that prorate the total
number of copies of a particular album distributed by the percentage
of "free" product distributed by the club. So, for example, if every person
joining the BMG club chose to pay for Album A and take Albums B and C for
free, 1/3 of the total royalties due (as per contract) would go to the
artists who made albums A, B, C, rather than having all royalties go
to the artist who made album A. 

dap
-- 
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Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
From: pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: difference between digital & analogue (Re: CD ROT: NO JOKE !!!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:44:19 GMT
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Apr6.194651.22952@solbourne.com> kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>Huh?  I'm one of those "wacky" audiophiles that argues CDs don't sound quite
>as good as an LP played back on good equipment.  Does a $300 CD player sound
>better than a $300 turntable?  IMO, yes.  Does a $5000 CD transport/DA convert
>sound better than a $5000 turntable/tonearm/cartridge combo?  Not necessarily.

UH, I guess I'm now digging up subject (or awakening a sleeping dog) that 
has been a loooong time dead and nobody wants ever....EVER hear about it.
...Sorrysorrysooorry.

I've understood that arguing whether digital (CD) is better or
worse than analogue (vinyl), is basicly a question of does the A/D transfer
loose something from the signal that's essential to good soundquality 
of vinyl records.

Has anyone ever tried a simple test: make BOTH digital AND analogue
mastertapes AT THE SAME TIME from THE SAME SOUND SOURCE. And after
this press TWO vinyls, one from the digital master and the other one from
the analogue tape. 

If there's something wrong in digital recording, it could be
detected in listening test between these two vinyls (this test should be
performed with the best vinyl player there is). If those who swear to the
name of the vinyl don't notice any difference between these two vinyls,
then the difference is so small that it disappears because of the anomalities 
normal to vinyl records (noise, etc.) and to vinyl players (altering the 
original soundsignal). And the loss by the A/D transfer is so 
insigficantly small, that it has no practical meaning of what so ever and 
the "better" sound of vinyl players had been caused by the players themselves 
(which, I believe, isn't the purpose of soundrecording and reproduction).

If there's been such a test, what was the result?

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From: larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Noteworthy ROEG users?
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:54:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <KENDALL.92Apr15213846@pygmy.rice.edu> kendall@pygmy.rice.edu (Kendall Helmstetter Gelner) writes:
>Is there anyone out there who has joined up with the Noteworthy ROEG user
>thing? 

I sent my request to them about two weeks ago, and haven't received a 
response yet.  I wouldn't be surprised if they've gotten tons of requests
from netters and others with PCs.  $5 for the entire NW database seems not
unreasonable.  If incremental updates are as fast as they claim, it sounds
like a good deal to me. 

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@csccat.cs.com
...!{uunet|texsun|cs.utexas.edu|decwrl|decvax}!csccat!larry
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Focus CD's
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:48:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.

I recently purchased Focus III at Tower records in Mountain View Ca. They
also had Moving Waves and others. It appears that they are readily availableout here. Check a large full service music store in your area. If they're
still unavailable I'll gladly give you the address to Tower here. You can
E-Mail me at john@makesys.com or call at 415-941-9800 between 6:00 A.M. and
3:00 P.M. Pacific Time. Good luck.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Names on CD
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:01:06 GMT

In article <30259@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

>> After buying some replacements for CDs stolen, I notice that it
>> recognizes some of the replacements, but not others. Perhaps it
>> just tries to match a checksum it creates by hashing the beginning
>> data, so even the slightest change at the beginning would create
>> a mismatch?

The ones it won't read really aren't the same disks.  A new
master has been cut somewhere along the line.

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill