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From: roland@spock.uucp (David A. Braun)
Subject: Best Video Board for OS/2?
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:06:17 GMT

Hello world... Could anyone out there possibly inform me as to what the best
video board for OS/2 is at a reasonable price.  I heard that the Diamond
Speedstar 24x was pretty good but since I don't have the service pack, I
don't know if there are drivers for it...?  Any help as to deciding what to
replace my pitiful OAK with would be fabulous. Thanks in advance...

Roland.    ...Email please, as I cannot possibly read this newsgroup every day


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From: grasshof@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Gerd Grasshoff)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: installing scanman
Keywords: scanman, scanner
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:40:33 GMT
Organization: University of Hamburg, FRG


 I bought Logitech's Scanman 256 and wanted to use it with its Windows Programme
for reading the pictures in. However, no combination of DMA and Interrupts worked.
In the testing mode, it could scan pictures up to the point, when near          
completion the information had to be further manipulated. The OS2 buzzed
and the ugly error message saying the the programme ended with an error
poped up. 

What to do? Did someone else try to install it under os2?

Gerd Grasshoff
Uni Hamburg
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Apps putting their crap in system directories. :(
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:00:41 GMT
Reply-To: sam_s@NeXT.com

bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:
> As much as I like OS/2, its still a lot more like DOS than Unix in
> terms of usability (IMHO, Unix > OS/2 >>>>> DOS).

I think some of OS/2 yuckiest features are those it inherited from
DOS where a new solution was called for.  For example, device naming follows  
DOS conventions cobbled together from 10 years of graceless evolution.  With a  
single disk, my DOS partition is "C:" and OS/2 resides on a partition it calls  
"D:".  But if I plug in a second disk with a primary DOS partition, that drive  
inherits the "D:" letter, OS/2 decides it is on drive "E:" and OS/2 hangs badly  
during boot because my configuration has changed grossly in it's eyes.

This is totally unacceptible.  My unix software doesn't hang because I add  
another SCSI device (using the same exact hardware).

-sam

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From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Minimum recommended size BEFORE installing SPG?
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:33:55 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte) writes:
>Like I was trying to convey(sp?) in the title, I'm about to install the
>SP on my system BUT what I am afraid at the moment is the MINIMUM SPACE
>NEEDED before installing it, i.e. I have presently 1,961,984 bytes free,
>is this enough for the install to complete itself? (BTW that my C: drive
>where I have DOS [still use it], OS/2 and related prgs., all FAT
>partitioned).

The README says that the SP requires about 3 MB more space, depending
on your current installation. I think you would be unlikely to install
successfully given the meager amount of space left. OS/2 seems to have
problems when resources get small, particularly disk space.

You need to re-organize, it seems.
Tom
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mhuth@byron.u.washington.edu (Mark Huth)
Subject: Nifty Prompts and sorting
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:21:37 GMT

Would someone be kind enough to send me a nifty prompt or two for my full
screen os/2 sessions.  I've lost the prompt line I was using!  (Actually,
I don't really need your prompts...just the line which describes how
you got the prompt!)

On another matter, I prefer to have my directories sorted, I know that 
I can do so in os/2, but how?  


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Re: Service Pack Results...
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:58:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.204234.16860@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
}In article <Mew1MAK00WB7QceY0e@andrew.cmu.edu> Carl B Jabido <cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
}>[No speed up with 32 bit GRE].

}I'll disagree with this. Running TE/2 in a window at 800x600x16 under the GA
}using a V32bis modem *looked* like a 2400bps session. It is noticeably faster
}now. So much beter, in fact, that I swapped back from full screen TE/2 to
}windowed TE/2. 

I wish I could say that.  But scrolling in VIO and VDM windows is noticably
slower with the CSD, using the ET4000 drivers.  As I said elsewhere, PM 
windows seem substantially faster.

}I prefer windowed sessions, so I can cut and paste useful phone
}numbers/addresses and the like.

Me too.

Larry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Icon problem after installing the SP
From: CFORDE@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 10:57:00 PST
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Nov5.164225.8503@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
"leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:
 
>I have changed the icons of some folders (system\games and system\
>command lines) and then installed the servpak. I had the boring
>standard folder icon again. If I use popup menu/settings/general
>and bring up the icon editor, I have my own icon again --- in the
>editor. I close the editor --- boring folder icon again. I can
>create a new icon, store it somewhere on the drive and load it
>to the folder (using the settings/general menu), but The Icon Does
>Not Change.
 
I have the service pack on too but my modified icons do show up in
place of the old ones.  But, when I minimize one of them to the
desktop I get the old boring one again.  Somewhere a pointer isn't
being updated I guess.
 
Have fun,
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VM Database and Development Support   bitnet  : CFORDE@BCSC02
British Columbia Systems Corporation  internet: cforde@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
From: gouvea@zariski.harvard.edu (Fernando Gouvea)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 256 Color?
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:47:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.194745.17183
Organization: Colby College Dept. of Math/CS

In article <1992Nov6.130917.1@opie.bgsu.edu> vd208cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
> 
>
>I just downloaded IMSHOW.ZIP from ftp-os2 to see if GIFS would display in
>256 colors (with the SP and 640X480X256 Tseng drivers).  It loads the
>image but it is still stuck in 16 color mode.  I know I have the new
>drivers installed because the scroll rate and video updates of my windowed
>sessions are now unbearably slow.. :)  

I tried imshow.exe with the Tseng 1024X768X256 drivers, and the palette
seems all messed up. The bitmaps don't like one bit as they do if I put
them on the desktop background...


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From: shabby@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chris Shabsin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Glass Cleaner screen saver
Date: 8 Nov 1992 20:31:02 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
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In-reply-to: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183712.5188@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

   In article <1d3mt5INN3a4@morrow.stanford.edu> GG.MPD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michael Durket) writes:
   >I just attended an OS/2 demonstration given by David Barnes
   >of the IBM Personal Systems Executive Briefing Center. In the
   >demo, he was using a screen saver program that he called
   >Glass Cleaner. It brings up a little Windex spray bottle that
   >squirts cleaner on the screen and then follows up with a little
   >squeegee. He said it was from a company whose name I forgot,
   >but he also said there was a demo version available on some
   >BBSes including Compuserve.
   >    I haven't been able to find it on the BBSes I've searched.
   >Does anyone know who makes this product and where to get it?

   It is called Window Washer, and you can find it on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu
   via anonymous ftp.

*I* couldn't find it.  want to give a directory name?  I searched all
over as this is somethign that would prove of great use to me :-)  Our
poor PS/2 is in the same room as about 15 various Unix machines
running X... 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: strider@cs.concordia.ca (GEORGAKAKIS peter)
Subject: Re: This is really weird...
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:50:09 GMT

In article <dlcogswe.721440797@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>This is strange and I don't like it much.  I was sitting here at my machine
>running OS/2 2.0 minding my own business when I went to open a VDM
>window session.  The window opened to the full size and then shrank to
>what appears to be a 320x200 window.  I thought, "Hmm...  I must have
>run something that screwed things up" and I powered down and rebooted.
>When OS/2 came back up, all DOS programs which I used to run in windows
>on the Desktop now are 320x200 and the text wraps around in an
>unpredictable fashion.
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>HAS ANYBODY SEEN THIS BEHAVIOUR???
>

I have had the same problem, I solved it by re-installing OS/2 GA and
then installing the Service Pack (I assume the behaviour appeared
after you installed the Service Pack).  The only problem now is that
when I open a DOS window I lose sync on my monitor.  I have to press
"Alt-Home" to make the window full-screen and then "Alt-home" to bring
it back to a window session.  My screen looks all "screwed-up" at this
point and requires a "refresh" from the desktop pop-up menu.  BTW, I
have an ATI Wonder and I am using Joel's 800x600x256 V 1.0 driver.


Has anybody come across this problem?

Peter Georgakakis
strider@cs.concordia.ca

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Source for Freeware on OS/2 2.0?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.172031.28386@PA.dec.com> mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok) writes:
>Can someone please suggest a good source for freeware on OS/2 2.0?

Please see the FAQ List for an answer to this question.

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From: clemens@faui8a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Clemens Beckstein)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Cann't run gcc:sys1808
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:33:01 GMT
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
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zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao) writes:


>In order to run gcc under os/2, I reinstalled os/2 (HPFS), and 
>unpacked gccbin.zoo, gcclib.zoo and gcchdr.zoo. It seems all files
>are at the right place. However, I have trouble to compile the simplest
>C program.
>1). I added d:\gcc\bin to autoexec.bat (my os/2 is on D: drive),
>however, os/2 cann't find d:\gcc\bin\gcc.exe, no matter how I tried.
>2). When running "gcc sample.c" under d:\gcc\bin, I got the following
>error message:
>"abnormal program termination.
>SYS 1808:
>The process has stopped. The software diagnostic code (exception code)
>is 0006".
>I set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=d:/gcc/g++-include; ... ...
>What might be the probelm?  

you are doing this in an OS/2 session with an OS/2 version of gcc?
Then you should add d:\gcc\bin to your path statement in config.sys
not autoexec.bat... autoexec.bat is for DOS sessions only.

if you are doing it with a DOS version then the d:\gcc\bin should go
into autoexec.bat and you should start it from within a DOS session;
Even then I am not sure the DOS version will work since it probably
uses a DOS extender that attempts to fully control the 386 (something
OS/2 obviously cannot tolerate).

I would not waste any time on the DOS version under OS/2.  Get the
real thing... it is great...

- Clemens
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: lowey@jester.usask.ca (Kevin Lowey)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Trascan Imitation
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:01:07 GMT

Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers (hoppie@kub.nl) wrote:

: It is VERY VERY easy to get OS/2 to imitate a Macintosh trashcan. First,
: drag a folder template to the desktop and rename it Trashcan. Second,
: attach a trashcan icon to it. You can drop icons etc. in it and open up
: the Trashcan to drag them back. Nothing spectacular. Just a folder.
: 
: Next, implement the EmptyTrash command: create a .CMD file that deletes
: all stuff in the OS!2_2.0_Desktop\Trashcan folder (name may vary on your
: system -- look with DIR). Something like 

This doesn't take into account three things:

1) The example EmptyTrash.cmd file you gave doesn't take into account
   subdirectories.  However, rewriting this .CMD file as a REXX script
   should solve the problem nicely.

2) The Macintosh trashcan empties the trash when the system is shut down.
   We can emulate this by putting EMPTYTRASH.CMD in the Startup folder,
   or using the ONEXIT command recently posted to the binaries group to
   run EMPTYTRASH.CMD at shutdown.

3) If the Macintosh starts getting short of disk space, it empties the trash.
   We could emulate this by detaching a REXX command that wakes up every
   few minutes, and runs EMPTYTRASH.CMD if the free disk space is below a 
   certain value.

All in all, I thought this was a great idea.  As soon as I get home I plan
to set it up.  Thanks for the suggestion.

- Kevin Lowey (Lowey@Sask.USask.CA)
>>>>> Anonymous FTP to FTP.USASK.CA for DOS, OS/2, and Windows programs <<<<<
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Service Pack Problems
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:13:02 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Nov12.081204.23034@news.columbia.edu> dsc2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Daniel S Chan) writes:
>	After spending hours downloading and installing the Service Pack, I 
>had to remove it and put the GA version back on last night because the 
>Windows CUT and PASTE features were so SLOW!!!!!! ( at least under excel4.0). 
>Using the SP, it took nearly four or five seconds just to cut 6 cells out 
>compared to less than a second under GA(same conditions). Fine tuning does not
> help any. Anyone have the same problem ?   

In OS/2 System -> System Setup you'll find a new Win-OS/2 setup
object.  Use that to make the Clipboard private, and Excel will speed
up dramatically.

>	Also, another bug I encountered(this time under GA) is that when 
>switching from Win-OS2, the system hangs and just gives me a black screen.
>Anybody know if this bug was fixed yet?

You may have had some video settings disrupted.  See the FAQ List for
some advice here.

>BTW, the new fonts are much easier to read on top of bitmaps than before.

I knew someone would like the new typefaces.

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From: gersta@gyro.ECE.ORST.EDU (Andreas Gerstlauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Supported SVGA cards
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:16:16 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering Dept, OSU

I want to buy a 486 clone in the next time but at the moment I'm not
quite sure which graphic card I should take. As I want to use OS/2
with a better resolution than the standard VGA I was wondering if anybody
could tell me what SVGA cards/chipsets and resolutions are supported by OS/2, 
especially with the SP or by the manufacturers and what will be supported in the
near future (Is there a list with drivers/resolutions?). What about any of
the accelerated chip sets (S3 ... or even the new mach32 from ATI)?
I was thinking about a card based on the et4000 (1024x768x16?), a card with a S3
chip or even the new ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (with the mach32 chip).
Something else: I thought that I've read something about a standard for SVGA
                modes (VESA ?) so you don't need a driver for every different
                card. Is this true or did I get something wrong?

Any information will be appreciated ;-)

Andreas Gerstlauer                  gerstla@ece.orst.edu
                                    Oregon State University, Corvallis

 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bradshaw@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Subject: Incredible Growing Swapfile problem
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:55:13 GMT

Well, it seems after the CSD I know how the wonderful incredible growing
swapfile problem and deleting the swapfile doesn't work. Nothing seems to
be mentioned in the README file. The problem isn't that it grows, at this
time I am running Os/2 Kermit ONLY and its 8MB. It started at 4mb. If I close
and reopen application it grows rather than reusing the swapfile. It will
continue until there is 2mb left on the drive (at 13mb) in my 8mb machine.
I was fine under the GA and Beta.

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From: pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM C-Set/2 1.0
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:38:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
Originator: pr@fnord.umiacs.umd.edu


In article <1553@yetti.UUCP>, frank@cs.yorku.ca (Frank Pikelner) writes:
|> This may be an obvious question, but is this a C compiler for OS/2 from
|> IBM? Free (or shareware)? Has anyone tried it?
|> 
|> cset0022.zip    2554201  IBM C-Set/2 1.0 CSD # 00022

This is a Corrective Service Disk for the IBM C compiler.  It is not the FULL COMPILER
just a fix of sorts.  


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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: White screen on installation. Please help!
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:33:46 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Nov12.112259.140440@ipgaix.unipg.it> luca@dedalo.unipg.it (Luca Priorelli) writes:
>I am trying to install OS/2 2.0 on a PS/2 80. When the installation is
>completed and the system is restarted everything is OK until the moment
>the desktop is supposed to apper. Insted the PC shows a white screen
>and there is periodic activity on the disk.
>What happens? Can I fix the problem without having to reinstall OS/2
>(I already reinstalled it a couple of times but I keep having the same
>problem).

If you are talking about the period just after installing, this is
completely normal.  Just wait -- it takes a little while for the
desktop to be built the first time.  That Tutorial is there for a
reason -- go through it.  You will regret it later on if you don't.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Service Pack Failure
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:00:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov4.144932.9218@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> lutz@solace.psych.rochester.edu (Dave Lutz) writes:
>  If I remember correctly, I think the original GA install checks your system
>out, modifies the Installation disk and disk 1, then proceeds to install the
>system.

It checks out your system, but all checkout data is written to your
hard drive.  Not to the install floppy.  The only thing written to the
install floppy is a file indicating that you have satisfied the
upgrade conditions, so you can install onto blank hard drives later
on.  This is not done for non-upgrade purchases.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: What is the verdict on the CSD/SP??
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:17:57 GMT

In article <%|#@byu.edu> earlyd@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Early) writes:
> 
> 
> What is the verdict? does it cause more problems than it is
> worth?  Everyone has various complaints, but did it solve
> anything??  Did IBM boo-boo big time?
> 
> 
> Just wondering
> 
> Dave Early

I have found the SP - on the whole - to be faster and more stable than the GA
release. 
 
I would call it a success. 
 
Steve

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