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From:         PRIVATEER@RIO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Humanities Software

Yes, call me at Arizona State. 602-9656747. Our software has been
reviewed by CNN television, Chronicle of Higher Ed, New York Times,
ABC and the Times of London. The whole project has been called
Odyssey.


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From:         "Daniel L. MacIsaac" <danmac@physics.purdue.edu>
Subject:      RE: FOOTER FETISH
              Brescia," at Aug 14, 92 3:13 pm

In a spasm of common sense markedly absent from EDTECH recently, Will
(may I call you Will?) Brescia wrote:
>     	I regard most of this discussion about how sinister footers are as
>     just sour grapes.  Have some fun.  What a drab world it would be if every
>     flavor was vanilla.  The thought of vanilla spaghetti sauce is just to
>     much to think about.
[tasteful editorial deletions here...]
>     it would cost to much and then costs would go up.  Give me a break.

I agree.

If I include my .sig file it is to pass along my complete contact information,
to irritate the pompous, or even perhaps to make your day a little richer
and more pleasant.  I truly hope it is the latter, but I am willing to settle
:^).

[Physics] '...is a narrow and rigid education, probably more so than any other
except perhaps in orthodox theology'
                        --  T.S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
Dan MacIsaac, Science Ed & Physics Grad Student, danmac@physics.purdue.edu
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:03:15 EDT
From:         AD57801 <AD57801@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Scheduling Programs

Joel,

Could you comment on how you use EXCEL to schedule classes.  Thanks.

Lolita Gilkes
Educational Computing Laboratory
Richland College
12800 Abrams Road
Dallas, TX  75243-2199

Phone:  (214) 238-6375
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:20:12 EDT
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      Assistance with distance oriented CMC (fwd)

---------- Text of forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:18:24 EDT
From: Dave Schroeder <DLSCHROEDER@valpo.bitnet>
To: Multiple recipients of list DEOS-L <DEOS-L@psuvm.bitnet>
Subject: Assistance with distance oriented CMC

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am in search of an individual and her or his students to conduct a
pedagogical experiment in computer mediated communication (CMC) on a
distance basis using bitnet or internet.  This fall I will have 50
college seniors in two sections of Management Information Systems.  I
would like these students to have the experience of "group decision support"
efforts using CMC with students at another institution (possibly at a non-USA
location) in working together via e-mail to produce a term project (in groups
of 6 to 8, half at each institution).  If anyone is interested in exploring
such an endeavor, please contact me directly at the e-mail address below.
Ths for your consideration.
Dave
    Dave Schroeder, Ph.D.        Internet: dlschroeder@exodus.valpo.edu
    Assistant Professor of MIS                   Bitnet: DLSCHROE@VALPO
    College of Business Administration             Office: 219-464-5050
    Valparaiso University, Valparaiso, IN 46383       FAX: 219-464-5789

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From:         "David S. Barkley" <0002849430@mcimail.com>
Subject:      RE: Keyboarding skills? Help needed!

Why not install a "Typing Tutor" type program on each machine. Find one
that's aimed for children and offers lots of positive feedback.
D. Barkley
2849430@mcimail.com
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From:         "Charles W. Finley" <cfinley@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      News submission for va-pen.mailing-list.edtech

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from  cfinley@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Charles W. Finley)
request for grading software info

Office of Educational Development  writes:
> I am trying to identify good software packages for computerized
> grading and recordkeeping.  Does anybody keep their grades on line?  If
> so, what packages are you using and what do you think of them?  Any
> advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Barbara Davis
> Office of Educational Development
> UC Berkeley
> oed@ucbviole.BITNET
> phone: 510-642-6392

Try CTB Macmillan/McGraw-Hill, 2500 Garden Road, Monterey, CA
93940-5380.  They market two packages:  The School System (for
secondary schools) and The Elementary School (for elementary
schools).  They are fully integrated and handle most student
records management including scheduling, grading & attendance.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:01:42 EDT
From:         Jim Baker <jlbaker@tenet.edu>
Subject:      RE: FOOTER FETISH

I have to agree with Cyndy Krey on this subject.  Not everyone finds elaborate
footers appealing.  More often than not, they seem rather childish. Especially
those which contain quotes.

Maybe footers should be more practical and only identify the person who posts
a message.

Jim Baker
jlbaker@tenet.edu
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:01:54 EDT
From:         "NM MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY" <CHADWICK@UNMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: teaching telecommunications

I have two Hypercard stacks I received about a year ago or so that is an
Internet Tour package that consists of a tour of the Internet and Internet
Local Info stacks along with a teachtext manual. You can obtain more
information about obtaining these public domain stacks fropm:

NSF Network Service Center
BBN
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, Mass 02138
email: nnsc@nnsc.nsf.net

Once again, these are excellent programs to the concept of the Internet.

Hope this helps.

--john chadwick
chadwick@unmb (bitnet) chadwick@bootes.unm.edu (internet)
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Subject:      Ag-in-the-Classroom bib (fwd)

Date: 18 Aug 92 15:31:00 EDT
From: KARL SCHNEIDER <kschneider@asrr.arsusda.GOV>
Subject: Ag-in-the-Classroom bib

An update to the NAL's bibliographic series is now available.  Called
"Ag in the Clasroom: Instructional Materials on Agricultural Education
(K-12)", this publication, NAL QB 92-55, compiled by Pat Krug, includes
22 citations to materials covering agriculture as a background for trad-
itional (3-R's) education, as well as teaching ag, environment, food and
nutrition, forestry, etc. etc. outright.  Order the list (free) by a
telephone call to NAL Reference (301) 504-5204, or write to NAL/USDA,
Reference, Room 111, 10301 Baltimore Blvd, Beltsville MD, 20705.  Ask for
QB 92-55.

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From:         Malcolm Sharp <sharp%mizar.usc.edu@usc.edu>
Subject:      Census Data Location

news
sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp)
bit.listserv.edtech
Census Data Location
17 Aug 1992 07:31:11 -0700
U of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
39 lines
sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp)

FYI-

bit.listserv.gutnberg
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Project Gutenberg Email List <GUTNBERG@UIUCVMD.BITNET>
Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
1990 Census (Second Edition)
       Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET>,
              Gutenberg Discussion Group <gutnberg@uiucvmd.BITNET>,
              Humanist Discussion <editors@brownvm.BITNET>,
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The second Project Gutenberg edition of the 1990 US census has been posted:
(Complete with national, regional, and divisional summaries and listings.)

Aug 1992 The 1990 US Census (2nd)  (uscen902.xxx)

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (not from 10 AM to 5 PM)

(These 1992 etext releases in> cd /etext/etext92)

Available soon on simtel20, quake.think.com, NPTN


=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:41:38 EDT
From:         Bill Byers <BYERS@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: request for grading software info
              13 Aug 1992 17:05:58 EDT from <oed@violet.berkeley .edu>

For a simple grading schedule in a Mac, I use the spread sheet componet in
Microsoft Works. I set up columns each for names, student Id # and assignment
grades. Any column can be used for sorting. grade columns will provide
averages and St. Dev plus many other stat functions as wanted. This software
does not require as much memory as EXCEL.

Bill Byers
Byers@uconnvm.uconn.edu
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:21:34 EDT
From:         CLKREY@OA.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      apologies

Sorry I brought up the caution about elaborate footers...didn't realize
we'd waste so much energy discussing it.

St. Cyndy
clkrey@oa.stkate.edu
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:19:52 EDT
From:         "Darlene D. Marsh" <ddmarsh@mwc.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      News submission for va-pen.mailing-list.edtech

va-pen.mailing-list.edtech
ddmarsh
ddmarsh@vak12ed.edu (Darlene D. Marsh)
LCD panels for overhead projectors

As computer contact person at Stafford Elementary in Stafford,
VA, I have had experience using and ordering LCD panels.
The ones we just ordered were from
	InFocus Systems
	7770 Southwest Mohawk St.
	Tualatin, OR  97062
	1-800-327-7231

The ones we got were not color, but they worked with IBM and
Apple IIe.  They cost between $700-$900.

We also purchased special overheads which are better for the
LCD panels. I can't remember the brand, but if you're interest,
I'll find out.

Recent advertising in the A+ InCider magazine lists a color LCD
panel for the MacLC for $2695.

You can always request a catalog.
--
Darlene D. Marsh              Teacher GR 5
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From:         Mick Souder <MASOUDER@OA.STKATE.EDU>
Subject:      vax notes question #3759

One of our faculty is interested in putting documents up on VAX Notes
on a read only basis.  Is there any way I can throw a conference up where
the students can read without excerpting/downloading the topics and replies?

Thanks

Mick Souder
College of St. Catherine
masouder@oa.stkate.edu
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:00:06 EDT
From:         Michael Bidwell <MXBIDW01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Scheduling Programs

Technology Coordinator, Shelby County Public Schools
Phone: (502) 829-5376
At the middle and high school levels we use SSTS/M from Software Technologies,
Inc. out of Mobile Ala. and like it very much.It is designed for a DOS
platform and is easy, yet powerful.It is also designed to work with OSCAR, the
library automation software using the same data base of students. For more
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mxbidw01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
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From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      K-12 Networks (fwd)

 Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:55:38 LCL
 Gerardo Moenne <gmoenne@LASCAR.PUC.CL>
 K-12 Networks

Hello,

I am working in a national project (in Chile) which is related to the
use of computers in education.  The project is focused on the use of the
computer as a communication medium.  With this purpose we are
implementing a Computer Based Communication Network that will connect
more than 100 primary schools.

One of the main focus of the project is to have a simple and easy to use
user interface, hiding most of the technical aspects of the tool. Our
current prototype is developed in full color Macintosh computers, where
users navigate trough different workspaces (Post Office, Kiosk, Museum,
...).  In each workspace, users can communicate with other schools
(teachers and students), receive information (bulletins), work in
collaborative projects, participate in interest groups and access
educational software.

Most of the software is based on multimedia technology, so the
educational software and many of the messages contain text, graphics and
in some cases sound and video.

The schools will be connected to the network trough modems & dial up
telephone calls.  Most of the work is made off-line, so schools are
connected to the network once or twice a day (mainly at night, during
low cost periods).

My specific job in this project is the implementation of the
communication platform that will support the traffic among the schools,
and the purpose of this message is to get in touch with people that are
working in technical aspects of K-12 Networks.

I am extremely interested in getting information about different
educational networks and the technological solutions involved.  I would
appreciate if you could send me messages with a brief educational and
technical description of projects, you may be working on.  I am
specially interested in a description of the communication platform used
to connect schools (urban & rural) to the network (Internet, Bitnet,
Fidonet, Private Network, ...).

This information would be useful for a research in  which I am working
on. This research is related with possible solutions for low cost & wide
access computer based networks, specially for developing countries.

Please send me messages to my personal address: elaval@lascar.puc.cl .
(I will post back a summary with the information.)

Thanks in advance,

Ernesto Laval
Chief of Communications Area
Centro de Informatica Educativa
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
Internet:  elaval@lascar.puc.cl
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:08:32 EDT
From:         Frank Price <fprice@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>
Subject:      Re: request for grading software info

Barbara Davis wrote:

>I am trying to identify good software packages for computerized
>grading and recordkeeping.  Does anybody keep their grades on line?  If
>so, what packages are you using and what do you think of them?  Any
>advice would be greatly appreciated.

MY SUGGESTION IS TO STAY WITH A SPREADSHEET.

People tend to look for specialized programs to do exactly what they want,
but that's rarely possible unless they hire a programmer. I have found it
much more productive to teach people to use generic, general-purpose
applications that they can customize easily.

In the case at hand, almost everyone figures grades a little differently,
so a "gradebook program" that could accomodate everyone would be almost as
arcane as Excel or 1-2-3. Most imaginative teachers want to change the way
they do grades from time to time; most gradebook programs are severely
limited in their flexibility. I have yet to find a grading scheme that
can't be handled by a good spreadsheet. The spreadsheets also have better
graphing tools than any gradebook program I've seen. I've created a grade
sheet that allows me to change grade cut-offs and automatically updates a
bar chart of letter grades

Spreadsheets are general-purpose row-and-column manipulators and should be
used whenever you are working with information that fits into rows and
columns. If you or your faculty invest in learning one of the spreadsheets,
they will find many, many more uses for that tool than they ever imagined.
Time invested in a gradebook program will not help you do anything but
grades.

(My daughter (6th grade) wanted to do an index to a booklet of
poems. Not being sure of what an index is, she typed information in
page-number order. She was devastated when I told her that indeces are in
alphabetical order. In less than 2 minutes I coaxed her through the process
of copying her list to Excel, sorting the rows and pasting it back into her
word processor. She was ecstatic.)

Do yourself a favor and invest your time and money in a good spreadsheet.
If you want something more like a turnkey system, learn to create macros
and dialog boxes (they aren't that hard).

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From:         JHDCI@canal.crc.uno.edu
Subject:      Re: VaxNotes

You probably could put VaxNotes up on a "read only" basis, but why?  One of
the most important things I found with VaxNotes was the interactive conversation
I made each student write or answer a question about the class each week and
that gave me input on what I wasn't getting across to them.  It was wonderful
to be able to have my lecture notes available to them so they couldn't whine
"We didn't cover that in class."  But more important was the ability to learn
my weaknesses.
Jack DeGolyer[JHDCI@UNO.EDU]    JHDCI@canal.crc.uno.edu
University of New Orleans
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From:         "W. LeRoy AKA MrWizard Davis;SM-ALC/DPUL"
              <davisl@logdis1.sm.aflc.af.mil>
Subject: RE: FOOTER FETISH

I see "footers" as a type of stylized signature, more than just my name.  I
liken them to the *LOUD* ties that I wear, or the piano-keys suspenders I've
been known to wear, or the "needs-a-wash, looks-like-I-just-wrecked-it" car I
drive up to the mountians, or ... you get the idea.  There are lots of folks
that wear white shirts with basicly black ties, drive routine looking cars.  I
tend to be right-brained/artistically oriented.  I see patterns and make better
associations.  I "draw pictures" for my students in hopes that they will retain
the information better.  Some students do.  This is in alignment with the
"multiple intelligences" theory.  I agree that 17 line "sig" files consume a
lot of bandwidth, but so do semantic disagreements (read as: flame-wars).

W. LeRoy Davis
davisl@logdis1.sm.aflc.af.mil
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Don't ever think you know what's right for the other guy.      "DAS ENERGI"
He might start thinking he knows what's right for you.         Paul Williams
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