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From: bkgray@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Brian Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Campfire Stories
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:48:08 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

In article <hay.718990965@shannon> hay@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Angus Hay) writes:
>
>In our Troop, we've never quite got the storytelling bit right (as far
>back as I can remember, anyway). We're great on campfire songs, skits,
>games and so on. I think it really depends on the individual 
>(Scoutmaster, that is). Does anyone have any suggestions?

Same suggestion as the songs and skits: practice over and over and over...
Few people are really good off-the-cuff story tellers.  If you are going
to an event where story telling is likely: 

Be Prepared by thinking of a couple stories that would be appropriate.,
then tell the story to yourself several times - first in your mind and then
out loud.  A long drive to work is a great time for this.

Start collecting books with appropriate stories.  When you've got a
couple of spare hours, visit the library looking for new material.

Visit other Scouting activities where stories are told (another
district's camporee, another troop's camp out, etc.)  When you hear a
new story, take a few minutes to write it down.  You won't remember the
details six months later.

If you know that you will be called upon to tell a story (during a
planned campfire program, etc).  Run through the story again once or
twice a few minutes before you go on (after the campfire begins).  If
possible, arrange the schedule so that someone else will be on just
before you tell your story.  This allows you a copuple of minutes to get
yourself ready. 

If you've gone to the effort to make sure that you are prepared to tell
the story, make tyhe effort to make sure that your audience is prepared
to hear it.  The mood of the campfire program should match the mood of
the story.  For example, telling the Bear Hunt story (which involves
audience participation and is a light-hearted story) is best done early
in the program.  A Scoutmaster's minute is bound to miss its mark if
told after a rousing few verses of "The Grand Old Duke of York."


Just like everything else, to be a good story teller, you have to Be
Prepared. 


Good Luck.

brian

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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Can the Knot be carried forward to Boy Scouts(was Jesus vs. Cub Scouts?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:43:31 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <Bvnnvz.C0u@umassd.edu> pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.134012.15590@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, mpb@troy.uucp (22161-bunz) writes:
>>If a boy earns his God and Me emblem (Protastant) and knot, can he continue
>>to wear the knot when he goes into boy scouts?
>>
>>I'd assume so, since it is NOT a Cub Scout award, and thus would not
>>violate the fact that the only patch that can be carried forward is the
>>Arrow of Light.
>>
>>But I'd like to find out for sure.
>>
>>Marc
>>
>
>Yup. As a matter of fact, they also at one point made pins to add-on to the knot, 
>to show which of the religious emblems was earned (some, but not all religions, 
>sponsor awards for both Boy & Cubbing - Roman Catholics have *three* of them).
>
These Knot Devices still exist.  They are used on the Youth Religious Knot
to show what program (Cub, scouting, exploring) the award was received in,
also for the Training Awards like Scouter's Key & Scouter's Training Award.

>Also, if I remember correctly, the religious knot is the only knot that a youth
>can wear (mainly because, in all other cases, they are still eligible to wear the
>original patch-version of the award, e.g. Eagle or Arrow of Light)
>
Not quite right.  You are correct in regards to the Eagle & AofL knots only
being for adults, bu there are other knots a scout could wear:
   the Hornaday Knot ( a New knot)
   the 3 lifesaving award knots
   the OA Distinquished Service Award (rare, but possible)
   the Explorer Achievement Award & Quartermaster Award (if a scout earned 
       these before being 18 why shouldn't he wear the knot??)

All other knots are for adults (training, service, etc), hence only adults 
would wear them.

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: juan@hal.COM (John Thompson Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Does his leadership still count?
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:33:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.


Any young man who rejoins Scouting in the 10th grade (after leaving in
the 7th) should be given every benefit of the doubt.  I don't think that 
leaving the troop demonstrated any lack of leadership, and as he left as 
a member in good standing, he should be welcomed back as such.

You'll no doubt want to encourage him to take on a leadership role anyway,
but I certainly wouldn't damp his new enthusiasm by making it a requirement.

John Reynolds
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: slice@gagme.chi.il.us (Steve Steiner)
Subject: Re: Cub Scout Leaders
Originator: slice@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:46:52 GMT

Yes it is difficult to get leader for new dens.  But our pack had instituted 
a method whereby any new den of boys with at least 4 boys must have two parents
become the leaders (co-leaders etc. etc.)  That way we know there will be a
leader for those boys.  I've been active with the pack for 4 years now, starting
as the TO, and now I'm an assistant Weblos leader.  And the results we've had
with the above has been great.  All of our dens have leaders and every position
on the committee has been filled, and I might add with a different person.

It can be done.


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From: ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Does his leadership still count?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:09:25 GMT
Reply-To: ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.scouting, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>Here's a BSA advancement question.

>  A boy who advanced to First Class while in the 6th grade served as
>  a Den Chief while in the 7th grade.  At the time, the Scoutmaster
>  determined that his work was satisfactory and that he did meet
>  the leadership requirement for Star;  the Advancement Chairman
>  at the time (me) was also satisfied that he met the requirement,
   so it was recorded on his advancement record.
   ---------------------------------------------
>
>Would you count the leadership, or would you make him hold another
>job for 4 months?

    Yes, count the leadership. You can judge his current ability by
what he does now. A boy's leadership ability can change a lot over two
years... even over two months I've seen major differences...

>questions being raised; the issues are-

>        his, but what about things that are subjective judgments?

	  This is already a judgment of record, let it stand...
>
>     2. In case any members of the BofR feel that they need to verify
>        what the boy has done, there is no longer any record, except

	  You said that it was signed on his advancement record. Are
there any records of what other scouts have done for their leadeship
requirements?  If not, why be harder on him?


>--
>Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
>UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
>Summit, NJ
>smk@usl.com

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Harry Ford
ASM Troop 1070
Walkersville, MD
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From: rickcl@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Cub Scout Leaders
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:27:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13748
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.


In article <1992Oct9.221256.24280@mcs.kent.edu> bkgray@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Brian Gray) writes:
>>>"If you don't volunteer, there's no room for your kid"??!!??

>>			We've not lost a boy yet because of a parent's
>>UNWILLINGNESS to participate.  

>Empty threats usually don't work for very long - with children or
>adults.  I hope you can find a better way to encourage adults to
>volunteer. 

The year my son joined as a Wolf, we had two full Wolf dens.  There were, also,
three boys of the Bear level.  They were told that the Bear den was full (boys
from the year before).  The pack didn't want to turn any boys away.  But, they
had as many boys as could be supported with the leaders they had.  They had
adding boys to a full den in the past.  The result was a poor program for all
the boys.

This year recruiting of leaders went fairly smoothly.  The wolves got enough
leaders.  The bears and first year Webelos could take the boys for those ages.
(We didn't get any new second year Webelos.)
-- 
Rick Clements (RickCl@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
From: macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Fund raising ideas (run 2)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:29:57 GMT
Organization: Peppermint Software Inc.

A couple of weeks ago, we had a thread on fund raising ideas. I noted
the suggestions from Joseph Combs, Steve Steiner, m19701-mac and Andrew
Edgar, but I'm sure that there are many more creative ways of raising
funds.

So I'd like to ask a question to every one on this list: How do you
raise funds for your unit (in addition to the permanent funds you
receive from your council or charting organization). 

Please mail to me or post on this group. I'll summarize the replies
in an upcoming FAQ sheet.

-- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
   Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland
   m.h.c. Troop 14, San Francisco
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Campfire Stories
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:23:03 GMT

Some of my fondest memories in Scouting were around the old campfire...
especially storytelling time.  We had a great Scoutmaster who knew just the 
right time and place to tell a good story.  I have only a vague recollection 
of a story he called "Gus".  All I can remember was that it was about the 
hazing of some college guys in an old "haunted house".  Some frightful 
things went on and it kept us all suspensful and wide-eyed around the fire.  
Anyway, I have been asked to try and find the story.  Could anybody out 
there have any recollection of that story?  I would appreciate any bit of 
information that you have.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: wizzard@wam.umd.edu (The Wizzard)
Subject: Scouting Trip to Austrailia
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:19:48 GMT

My boy scout troop is planning a trip to Austrailia (and possibly New Zealand) 
in mid-1994.  This is the place our scouts selected for their once-per-five-
year big trip. 

I posted a similar message about a week or two ago and received two replies.  
I accidentally erased one of the replies (from a scouter in Austrailia, I 
believe), so if the scouter who answered this posting originally could E-Mail 
me again with the information he had, I would like it much.


For those who did not see my first posting, here is is again (hopefully more 
clear that I poster earlier):

I am looking to get in contact with some scouters from Austrailia who may have 
suggestions for activities to do in Austrailia.

My troop is interested in activities such as backpacking, hiking, canoeing, 
snorkling/scuba diving, rafting, swimming, historical sites, museums, etc.  
In other words, anything scouts between the ages of 12 and 18 would enjoy.
I know that we will try to get by Ayer's Rock.  By the way: Amusement Parks do 
not count.

We will most likely have a 3 week trip to Austrailia.  Who should we write to 
find more information about any of the above activities?  If any Scouters out 
there from Austrailia can give use ideas that are popular with your scouts, 
you are welcomed to respond. 

Also, I would like to get in contact with scouters in Austrailia who might 
have a troop that would like to do some camping or other activities with my 
troop.  I do not know much about the school year in Austrailia, so this may 
cause problems.  I know that it will be winter in Austrailia when we arrive
so if your school year is anything like ours, your scouts are in school during 
June, July, and August.

About costs, money should not be a problem for our troop, but I was wondering 
if anybody could give me an idea about airfare to Austrailia from Washington, 
DC or from Baltimore, Maryland.  If you do not know specifically from DC or 
MD, anyplace in the USA will give me an idea of what we are looking at (please 
tell me from where).  I also need to know whether you are talking about one-
way or round-trip fares.  Also, do any of you have any ideas how to find 
special fares for scout troops (if there is a such thing) or ideas where to 
look for other special fares.  One place is a travel agent (AAA for example),  
but I would like other ideas. 

Signed,
  Shawn Scoles
  Eagle Class of 1988
  Assistant Scoutmaster of Troop 299
  Hyattsville, Maryland, USA

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: songs
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:37:30 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098


A while back, several someones wrote the words to some songs. I wrote them
down but my computer ate them. Can I please ask for them again?

The songs are:   Puff the Magic Dragon   and   The Unicorn Song.

Since I am collecting these for Girl Scout songs around the campfire, if
you have any others that are good, please let me know. Thank you.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: hay@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Angus Hay)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: JOTA
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:13:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.hay.718989214
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand

In <1992Sep25.104958.1@heroes> castaldi@heroes writes:

>We have a boy in out troop who is into HAM radio.  We have heard that there is 
>going to be another JOTA soon.  Since our council is not going to participate,
>our troop wants to meet at the boy's house to listen/talk on the radio.
>Could someone post the schedule and the frequency's used.

Please, please, please. Our District (in Johannesburg, South Africa)
is planning a JOTA station, and we seem a little too far down the line
from the World Bureau to get a lot of info. The schedule would be a
great help, as would some idea of how Tall Towers are involved in this
year's event. If anyone has a lot of info, I would appreciate e-mail,
since I can't guarantee that news here won't expire before I see it.

Angus Hay, Troop Scouter, 1st Greenside, Johannesburg, South Africa



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From: bkgray@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Brian Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Does his leadership still count?
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:23:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kent State University

In article <1992Oct7.170918.17512@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

>Here's a BSA advancement question.  There has been a difference of
>opinion over it among typical members of Boards of Review-
>
>  A boy who advanced to First Class while in the 6th grade served as
>  a Den Chief while in the 7th grade.  At the time, the Scoutmaster
>  determined that his work was satisfactory and that he did meet
>  the leadership requirement for Star;  the Advancement Chairman
>  at the time (me) was also satisfied that he met the requirement,
>  so it was recorded on his advancement record.
>
>  He never completed the other requirements for Star (primarily
>  merit bades and service project) and dropped out of the Troop
>  after the 7th grade.  He has just rejoined (10th grade) and
>  because we have "High Adventure" activities for Star and above,
>  he wanted to know what it would take for him to advance (and he
>  specifically mentioned that he thought the leadership requirement
>  was already met).
>
>Would you count the leadership, or would you make him hold another
>job for 4 months?  I'm prepared to accept it, but there have been some
>questions being raised; the issues are-

Stan - 
	You have recieved several replies which contain the correct
answers to your questions, but none realy provided you with the
published information that backs it up.  (I have found that in many
cases, someone will not back down until he sees it in black and white.)

The answers are found in the Advancement Guidelines for Council and
District (#33087 for those keeping score at home).  Page 20 - Extended
absence from Scouting:

"Upon registration, the boy should assume the last attained rank of
verified documentation from the council service center.  His previous
verifiable service time in that rank applies toward qualification for
the next rank and should commence with his registration and with
guidelines set down by his new unit leader.  The final determination
should be based emphatically on the best interests of the boy."

Hope things work out with a minimum of discussion and debate.

brian
Seneca District Advancement Committee Chairman

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*	Seneca District, Great Trail Council BSA, Marnoc Lodge #151	*
From: rickcl@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Knots: too much bother
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:29:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13762
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <hunter-131092090021@158.185.20.93> hunter@master.lds-az.loral.com (Bill Hunter) writes:
>Too much attention on knots only takes away from the program.  We are not
>Scout Leaders to fill our chests with knots.  After 10 years as a Scout
>leader of a large and active Troop, I wear but one:  The Eagle.

I have earned two knots (Den leader and Arrow of Light), but I haven't applied
for them.  However, one of the leaders at Round Table changed my mind.  She
made a deal with her son that they BOTH would work on the awards that were
available to them.  I realized that by the leaders working on knots, we set
a good example for our boys working on advancement.
-- 
Rick Clements (RickCl@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
From: rickc@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Cub Scout Leaders
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:10:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13712
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.


In article <1992Oct6.151807.22715@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mpb@troy.uucp (22161-bunz) writes:
>Since I was at the Sept. Round Table, I signed my name as a contact for
>School Night for Scouting.  As a result, I've been getting a number of calls
>for people wanting to know where they should send their son's so they can
>start going to the meetings.  I've used the opportunity to explain that
>no parents have signed on to lead for their son's age group, or that
>existing groups are FULL, and that we need parents to join as leaders.
>They must hear what I'm saying, but just respond with OK, then could you
>let me know when you have leaders lined up for my son?

We tell everyone to come to our back to school night.  Some parent usually
asks, "where are the leaders?"  [I wish we had to plant someone to ask that
question.]  We then tell them to look around.  Last year, one parent left mad
because we asked him to help with his son's den.  Fortunately this doesn't
happen often.

>2) Fear of the unknown - they don't know what is involved, and would like
>   to leave it alone.

This is where a good Tiger Cub group is important.  I think the main reason
for having a parent/Cub stucture, is to help the parents get ready more than
the Cubs.  

>The first problem needs to be addressed by making it clear to parents
>that they HAVE to be involved, one way or another.  Either they will 
>have a line job (e.g., Den Leader), or they will have to be involved
>in helping with a special event (e.g., B&G committee, or Pinewood Derby).

For the first pack meeting, we took the Cub Scouts outside to play games.
While, the Committee Chairman recruited parents to help with the events.
We had parents who were leaders or had led events before signed up as
chairmen.  The parents were told, "this is what we can do if we have
help."

I deleted the part where you told them how much time it would take.  I tell
the parent three hours a week.  One hour for the den meeting.  One hour for
planning.  One hour for other meetings [pack, committee, Round Table].  And,
is three hours a week too much time to spend for your son?
-- 
Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)