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From: sxy6978@cfdd40.boeing.com (Sasan Yaghmaee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re:purpose of life
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:52:18 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle - CFD lab

In a philosiphical article Reza writes:

 >     What I am about to share with readers of sci is a philosophical
 > question which may be inappropriate to formulate but I think  that
 > there are many of us who are in search of an answer to this question.
 > I believe that everybody should find his/her solution to this question
 > but it would help me greatly if you shared your solution with me and
 > many others who are lost souls like me. Here is the question:
 > 
 >               What is the purpose of life?
 > 
 >    I believe that the answer to this question may be hidden for
 > many of us Iranians who are first generation immigrants. I may be
 > wrong  but I know many depressed Iranians whose problems start
 > with not having a purpose in life. I would appreciate any kind
 > of reply. I am sure that everybody on the net will benefit.
 > 
 > Best Regards,
 > -Reza
 > 

The question presumes that there should be a purpose to life. But isn't
that proposition debatable?

The only factual statement in this regard is, Every life form wants to
preserve itself (life) and fulfill all its potentials. I know that's a
recursive definition, but that's the best I can do without conjecture.
So, the principles I live by are,
        The will to live 
        The courage to shape my own life
Beware! Anybody that tells you otherswise, wants something you got :-).

Sasan Yaghmaee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farshid@baum.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Farshid Ketabchi)
Subject: Life is a @#$%&, and then you die!
Keywords: poem, KhayyAm
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:47:03 GMT


I just found out that Allen Newell, one of the founders of artificial
intelligence and cognitive science, and a CS prof at the Cornegie-
Mellon Univ died on July 19, 92.  What a loss.

In 50's and 60's, Newell, along with Simon (and Shaw) did some of the
pioneering work in AI and cognitive science.  Along with M. Minsky,
J. McCarthy, and H. Simon, he is considered the father and founder of AI.
He has got much to his credit (including a Turing Award) for which I don't
have the detail.

Considering the posting preceeding this about Prof. Hesabi's death, I
think the following robAee by KhayyAm seems very appropriate:

	yek chand be koodaki be ostAd shodeem
		yek chand be ostadi-e khod shAd shodeem
	pAyAn-e sokhan sheno ke mA rA che reseed
		az khAk dar Amadeem o bar bAd shodeem
						-- Omar KhayyAm

Translation:

	For a while, we went to the prof to learn;
	and for a while we were happy and content at our own professorship.
	Well, hear the end of the story and see what became of us:
	We raised from the soil and went with the wind!


Farshid Ketabchi
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Persian music
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:17:03 GMT
	<1992Oct1.160826.5096@ra.msstate.edu>
Organization: none



A question for those more familiar with Persian music:
              
Is it possible to write it down? precisely or approximately?
I remember I read somewhere a while ago that Persian music
is partly improvised everytime it is played. Does that mean 
it is not possible to write it down precisely? It occurs to 
me that I seem to have never heard people play traditional
music from previous centuries. Poetry and other valuable works
of art from long time ago have been preserved but what about music?
       
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
                                  
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: trick trivia   :-)   (Summary of responses)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:34:46 GMT

marand@eagle.wpd.sgi.com (Najmeh Marand) writes:

>You've come up with a good (and amusing :-) question, Siamak.

Thanks.

>I also don't know the right answer but my -guess- would be ezhdeha
>(i.e. it is plural itself).  I can't, however, think of any other
>(assuming ezhdeha is correct) Farsi noun whose plural is itself.
>Is/are there any examples of such noun(s)?

Don't know. My "savAd e fArsi" is not that much.

>Regarding "An" suffix pluralizing only Arabic nouns, then what about 
>"GAvAn" as in "GAvAn o KharAneh BAr-bardAr   Beh ze AdamiAneh Mardom-AzAr"?
>GAv is obviously Farsi.

I know this one for sure. "gAv" is not a fArsi word. It originated
somewhere in the midwest.  :-)

>Najmeh

    --mack

--
She's closing her eyes, then she takes me away,
and she's pulling the strings, when she's playing with love.
She's playing with love.                       --Alphaville
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: real discussion
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:14:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Sep30.191437.939
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


30-Sep-92 amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Re: real discussion...

>To make my point clear, consider that if one wants to, it probably won't be to
>difficult to make a movie to portray a negative image of American men or the
>American culture for that matter by just interviewing any of these victims and
>making a dramatic story out of it.

Indeed, I think this should be done.  It is interesting to note the amount of
flack that certain film producers receive when they produce movies that
present Americans in an unfavorable light, such as in "Dances with Wolves" and
such.  I couldn't believe the amount of BS they heaped on what's-his-name,
Kevin Costner, for portraying the whites in an unfavorable light.  In my view,
he presented a better-than-real-life portrayal.  The whites repeatedly lied to
the Indians, and subsequently destroyed them utterly--with Christianity at the
helm!  We don't like to see ourselves that way.

Then there was "JFK."  Oliver Stone has been beaten up and down for portraying
a whole bunch of totally plausible hypotheses... and especially for exposing
what a load of lies and impossibilities the government has asked the American
people to swallow concerning the execution of our President.  We simply can't
face it that elements within the government itself could have done such a
thing.  It really is revolting.
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Statistics on recent Censore in Iran
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:18:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BvAtGp.JnF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>This is according to Peyk TV (IRI sponcered)
>31% of Iranians are illitrate.

This is nothing, now that all primary schools and high schools require
tuition, this number will raise pretty soon.

Where the hell in world can you find a non-free education but our dearest
Iran? 
If the schools are not free, then where does our taxes go?

Well, Long live Iranian Government.

Ramin
From: behrooz@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: some REAL discussions, please
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:05:21 GMT
Reply-To: behrooz@egr.msu.edu (Roozbeh Behrooz)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: behrooz@indian.cps.msu.edu

In article <28600019@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:
>
>2) Remember Betty Mahmoudy, the now famous author of "Not without My
>Daughter"?  Well, I was browsing through the bookstore the other day,
>and I noticed her new book "For the Sake of a Child".  I started 
>reading through it, and it was talking about the rest of her story,
>her adjustment to America, other cases like hers, the making of her book/
>movie, etc.  She said in it that she never expected this book to do so well,
>and the French translation sold more copies than any book in the history of
>the French language!  I view her ordeal as one of courage in the face
>of fundamentalist madness, and her husband as a real jerk who is a disgrace
>to his country and his religion.  At the same time, I think it is unfair
>to associate this story with Iranians in general, and there was not enough
>emphasis on this important point, be it from the book itself or from the
>audience.  Any additional info/opinions/insights??  I appreciate it.
>
>BA sepAs-e-farAvAn,
>
>
>Agha Javad
>

 Last year on Iranian TV there was a show called "dar entezar-e MahtAb"
 In this show they showed portions of the movie, quoted some parts of
 the book and interviewed Betty's husband.  It was a one hour program
 but aparantly a lot of people requested to see it again, so they showed
 it twice. 
 They showed the scene of the school where Betty was beaten by her
 husband and the teachers simply watched.  Following the script they
 interviewed Mr. Mahmoudy and the teachers at MahtAb's school.  They all
 denied that something like that had happened. In the show the husband
 said that he thought Betty was converted to Islam and was happy living
 in Iran. He claimed that Betty kidnapped his daughter and left so she
 could have both MahtAb and their house in the U.S.

 Basically the program portrayed Mr. Mahmoudy as the victim of some sort
 of conspiracy.  The program concluded that the whole thing was planned
 against Islamic Republic.  

 Mr. Mahmoudy has works as a doctor in Tehran and occasionally has some
 interviews with magazines in Iran.
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: GOOD OLD DAYS
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:16:00 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  The "good old days" weren't perfect, but can any one of you who have been
here for a long time remember back when...

  A president accepted at least some of the responsibility for his failures
without blaming congress?

  People battled illicit drugs without simplistically calling for their
"legalization?"

  Television "special"lived up to their billing?

  You could go to a movie with your child and not be embarrassed by
explicit sex on the screen or in the theater seat in front of you?

  Metal detector were used more in jails than in public schools?

  A quarter candy bar cost only 25 cents?

  Neighbors dared to chastise other people's children?

  Professional baseball players played for the love of the game and not for
the love of money?

  Television was fun because there were no exalters of sexual perversions
named Geraldo,Phil,Oprah and Sally Jessy?

  The police were practically the only people who carried hand guns?

  Average marriage used to last more than two years?

  kids used to have two parents?

  A man used to be a man and you didn't have to check his ear to find out
if he is a man or a wiggly butt (Farokhezad)?

  Eleven year old girl used to smell more like bubble gum, licorice and
popcorn, instead of perfume, powder and lipstick?

 ***************************************************************         
 *  What we call the ills of life is due to our own ill-deeds  *
 *  And many of them are forgiven by god. This life is a stage *
 *  of convenience; Live true and resist all wrong, but learn  *
 *  the best way to do it so. On god rely; else no protector   *
 *  will you find. God revelation comes as a guide and mercy:  *
 *  It shows the straight way the way of god all-wise.         *
 *************************************************************** 

Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

In Article 13274, farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>I think that if the government truly "kissed the
>feet of the west", then it would get some "recognition" from them.
>Every time I see yet another "condemnation" from the European community
>or the UN or Amnesty International, I feel reassured that the government
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is NOT "kissing the feet of the west".

Amnesty International is not a part of any government, and has been working
for over 30 years to win freedom for political prisoners worldwide.  It
is completely neutral and private, and boasts 600,000 volunteer members 
worldwide.  It works on behalf of prisoners of conscience in both pro-western 
as well as anti western countries.  Some of the notable campaigns are in South 
Africa, with the freeing of Nelson Mandela, and in Chile, the Phillipines, etc. 
Perhaps I should remind you that AI was also instrumental in bringing down the 
Shah' regime by demanding the release of political prisoners and bringing that 
issue to the attention of the world. (Not to mention its condemnations of
Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and many others who you would think "kiss the feet
of the west")

Amnesty International is a true champion of human rights, and a condemnation 
from them does not mean that the governemnt is "not kissing the feet of the 
west." On the contrary, it means that the government is screwing innocent 
people on the basis of their personal beliefs, and is not living up to its 
obligations with regard to human rights, as spelled out in the various 
human rights accords to which Iran is a signatory.  

This is not something to be proud of, but rather, a BLOODY SHAME!  

> - Farzin Mokhtarian

Agha Javad

(Pofak namaki, panj rial!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: What to Talk about
Organization: Abadan khodesh hameh jahaneh!
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:57:18 GMT

In article <BvI9w6.1vr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>>>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>>
>>>    [...]
>>>

>>Mack, how do I know the kinds?  I was not from that era. :-) In my time we
>>would buy a pirAshki for 15 rials for lunch, or on wealthy days a 'loobiA
>>dAgh' for 25 rials.  As for 10 O'clock snack, just forget it.  During 
>>'zang-e tafrih' we were throwing 'gach' at each other!
>
>What you said reminds me of SHEER va BAAGHSAAM in Abadan!
>I loved SHERKAT's milk.  I thought it was a lot better than the
>regular milk in Tehran.  I think Tehraan's milk was actually powdered
>milk (especially the seh goosh -pyramid- ones).  Abadan's SHEER was
>actually from SHERKAT'S own farm (the farm was called dairy farm).

Dear Ala, if you really think about it, everything about Abadan was the
BEST.  aslan abadan bayad paytakhte jahan mishod.  Why?

Annex - Estakhr - bereym - nakhlestan - palayeshgah - mardom - falakeh -
bazar-e arabha - bahmanshir - teem-e san'at-e naft - teem-e kargar - 
foroodgah - cinama taj - otoboos-e Bedford - asfalt-e sangi - madreseh
kamal'ol molk - dabirestan-e razi - bimarestan - daneshkadeh naft - 
bad-badak ba shirish - estore (where we bought fresh sheer)  - kooler-e
gazi - derakht-e khar-zareh - pol-e sar khiyaboon - jagh-jagheh foroosh -
derakht-e konar - dokhtar-e abadani - keshti naft-kesh - .  .  .

Just missing Abadan, no territorial prejudice intended. :-)

>Now does anyone know what BAAGHSAAM is!?

You got me!

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: michaelm@titanic.esd.sgi.com (Mike Mohageg)
Subject: Khuzestan
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:38:59 GMT


Folks,

Ala mentions Baghsaam, Hooshyar mentions "estore", and mardom-e Abadan, and etc....  Desert man mentions, Shush, balam, benghesht, I talk about eistgah-e Dewazeh;  Man, it's all too much nostalgia.  Sorry, Desert Man, I accidentally lost your message and can't provide a translation for the words you provided.  Still, there were a couple that I hadn't heard before.  Of coarse, that only makes sense because there has been this traditional rivalry between Abadan and Shush.  For me most of Khuzestan was nice (




including Shush :-).  

Hooshyar wants an answer to "seyko" ==>  means look at or negah kon for the Tehranis.

Here's another deep Abadani one for you Hooshyar:  "to sey"  which is another form of look at, but with specific reference to the person you're asking to look ("to").

Hence, you add a vareity of ear pleasing arguments such as "to sey eee"  (i.e., look at him/her), "to say fac-e folesh"  (look at his/her ugly or foul face; again a relic of English-occupied Abadan), or the ever popular "to sey seresh" (look at his/her head; in Tehrani it'd be "saresh" not "seresh"!).  

Of coarse "fac-e fol" was quickly linked to soccer terminology, since soccer was so popular in Abadan.  Therefore, someone who was fairly ugly had a "kashte-ye do-zarb" which wasn't as severe as a "fac-e penalt"  (an actual penalty kick)!!!  This is quite sophisticated stuff!!!

As you might imagine it was all quite tongue-in-cheeck and only done for fun.  Yet it was a major part of the vernacular.

I find my Abadani accent (along with the vernacular) returns once I'nm around a bunch of Abadanis.  It just works better that way!!!


BTW, "nun baghsaami" was a small and much softer version of French bread.  It was great for sandwiches.


O.K., the rest of you khuzestanis take a shot at translating the following:

"lomp house"
"pamp house"

Remember the heavy British influence in Khuzestan and especially Abadan!!!

Have fun,

-- MIKE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Statistics on recent Censore in Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:19:36 GMT

This is according to Peyk TV (IRI sponcered)

The average age in Iran is 21.7
33% of people at the age of marriage has not married.
7% have divorced or lost their spouse.
Therefore 40% of people who can be married are not!
31% of Iranians are illitrate.
based on the birth statisctics of the first three months of 71 and 70
the birth rate shows a modest decline (about 5-10 percent)

Ala
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8422 soc.culture.turkish:10314 soc.culture.usa:7556
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Gore blames Bush for Gulf War
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep29.171600.1238
Organization: The Ohio State University


	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- In a major attack on President Bush's foreign
policy, Sen. Al Gore, D-Tenn., charged that the Gulf War ``never would
have happened'' except for Bush's bungling in dealing with Iraq.
	``He is the one who set the fire'' by allowing Iraq to buy weapons
technology from the United States and otherwise ``coddling'' Iraqi
leader Saddam Hussein before the invasion of Kuwait, said the Democratic
vice presidential nominee.
	``His poor judgment, moral blindness, and bungling policies led
directly to a war that should never have taken place,'' Gore said in a
speech to the Center for National Policy.
	Gore cited numerous U.S. government documents obtained by
congressional investigators and others that warned of Iraq's military
buildup, including efforts to develop chemical, biological, nuclear and
missile weaponry. In spite of the evidence, the administration continued
to provide aid to Iraq and allow the sale of dangerous technology, Gore
said.
	Gore also challenged Bush's assertion that, as vice president, he did
not know about the sale of arms to Iran. ``The documentary record is
closing in on him,'' Gore said, noting recent conflicting reports from
other officials of the Reagan administration.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: siamak@sltg26.ljo.dec.com (Parviz Siamak)
Subject: Persian Wordprocessor
Keywords: Wordprocessor
Organization: Software Licensing Technology Group
Distribution: soc.culture.iranian
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:19:56 GMT


Salam;

I like to get hold of a Persian wordprocessor program. I know there are some
on the market, but I can't afford the price right now.

Please, if you have such a program, let me know how I can obtain a copy.

Eradatmand shoma
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Another Physics-1A Question
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:33:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.001904.1354@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>In article <BvDtuo.LqM@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan 
>Esfarjani) writes:
>
Hi HooshAyr khAn!

>elaborate a little further:  we cannot define temperature without the
>presence of matter perhaps because it is a property of the matter.  Now,
>can we say matter exists because it has temperature?  In other words for
>matter to exist, does it require to possess a property, among many other
>properties, such as temperature?

No, all these concepts of temperature electric and magnetic field
etc... are there because matter was there. Physicists made or DEFINED
those concepts in order to CHARACTERIZE matter. This is the language 
physicists use to communicate, make theories, predict and measure.

>Or, is it the other way, that is matter exists as it is and it just happens 
>that we humans have learned - through experiments - that it has certain
>properties.  In this case, we cannot construct the phrase 'look, I am
>telling you matter exists and the reason is it has properties that _I_
>can detect and even measure.'

You are right, we can't! As I said, temperature is defined for a
MATERIAL system. For example, for a system of fixed total energy E
and fixed number of particles N, the temperature of the system is
defined so to satisfy :
1/T = (partial S)/(partial E)
where S(E,N) is the entropy of the system of N particles of total
energy E. This is kind of abstract and defined for a microscopic
system, but you can later SHOW (or prove) that this quantity T is
the same as our tangible intuitive temperature : when it's 100 C 
water boils. Let me emphasize on the fact that heat, energy and
temperature are 3 different things. Heat and energy and k*T have all
the same units of Joules, but they represent 3 different quantities.
(in the above k=1.3*10^-23 J/K is the Boltzman constant)

>>A real challenge now for everybody:
>>The other day my friend was telling me that his professor had told him
>>that warm water freezes faster than cold water!!!!
>
>By faster shall we assume he meant less time?
>
>I only remember from Thermo in college that warm water would take more
>heat to solidify, right?  But, I have no idea of the time dependency of
>either experiments.  Could this have to do with the rate of heat supplied to
>the process, or power as dQ/dt?
>                         |
>                         |------> I know, it's delta but I have none!
>
Well, the rate depends on the heat conductivity of water, and indeed
you are right, the above is the way to proceed ie:calculate the dQ/dt
for warm and cold water. However I don't know how the heat coductivity
changes with the temperature, I would assume it's almost the same for both.

So, are you going to make your final statement?
We are waiting!
Regards,
K1


Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8520 sci.physics:15799
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 15:53:08 TUR
From: <C44590@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,sci.physics
Subject: Re: In Memory of Professor Hesabi
 <28SEP199211472532@csa1.lbl.gov>
 <1992Sep28.220649.17188@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
 <29SEP199213231831@csa1.lbl.gov> <6rb.gvpn8@lab.ntt.jp>

   - Farzin Mokhtarian
     farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp

PS. There is a female faculty member at ShirAz university who recently won
    a scholarship from a German institute for her research. I don't have
    names right now but I can dig it up.
-----------------------------------------------------
her name is Dr.Afsane Safavi of department of chemistry,faculty of science,
university of Shiraz.She has won both the rewaerd of Homboldt research founda-
tion and also professor Abdulsellam reward.