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From: coryu@sco.COM (Cory Upton)
Subject: Caribbean honeymoon info
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 20:01:48 GMT


Hi!

My fiance and I will be going to the Caribbean for our honeymoon
this April for about three weeks. I realize we're getting a late
start on the planning...oh well:)  We're looking for low-key type
resorts off of the beaten path.  We'll be going to a couple of
islands and are considering the Grenadines, St. Lucia, Barbados,
Dominica, Tobago, and possibly some others.

We're not particularly interested in the big "Couples" type resorts
nor are we interested in Jamaica due to the awful poverty situation 
and massive panhandling we've heard about.  We also are not interested
in the high-rise type hotels or busy casinos.

What we are interested in is relaxing, snorkeling, and some beautiful nature
to hike around.

If anyone has any info on favorite islands or hotels/b & b's/inns,
please e-mail me directly.


Thanks and Happy New Year!

coryu@sco.com
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: How to make reservations for Alamo Rent a Car from outside the US?
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:28:10 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <1993Jan8.153504.11080@cc.gatech.edu>, pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:

|>In article <me.726489429@dude> me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel) writes:
|>>Has anybody ever managed to contact Alamo directly from overseas? I
|>>could use a travel agent, but then I'd have to pay beforehand in
|>>DM.
|>
|>You can call them from overseas at +1-305-5220000.
|>Good luck.  Be careful with Alamo's possible tricks at the rental counter.
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, that's very good advice.  Thewy issue a brochure with great rates on
car hire.  They accept a booking at that rate and then charge a much higher
rate to your credit card.  I tried arguing with them but they just said I
had to write to Florida.  Not much good when you're flying home in a
couple of hours.

If you use Alamo insist on the correct rate before you take the car.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
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From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: rec.travel
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:56:17 GMT
Followup-To: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
Summary: Italian thanks
Keywords: thanks, italian

In article <C0pIJu.15p@Novell.COM> dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
>
>Spanish--Gracias; Muchas gracias (Thanks; Thanks a lot)
>Italian--Gratzi; Multa (??) Gratzi

The spelling in Italian is grazie; the z does, however, have a"tz"
sound, but you pronounce the i e separately, i.e. gratz-i-e. It is
molto grazie for thanks very much



>Russian--Spasiba; Spasiba balshoy (the "da svedania" in the other post
>         means "good-bye"!)
>Hebrew--Toda; Toda raba
>Arabic--Shukran; ??
From: nf00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (NATALIE FOSTER)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Good New Orleans Hotel
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:18:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan4.071432.27180@netcom.com>, jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) w
rites:
>Can anyone recomend a good (great) hotel in New Orleans.
>
>Near Jackson Square.  How about restaurant.
>
>Price no object.
>
As long as price is no object ... if you'd like a small, fine, GREAT place to
stay, try Soniat House, 1133 Chartres Street.  It's a beautifully appointed
house and slave quarters (I think) ... many of the rooms open into a small
courtyard where I have spent several hours before dinner sipping on
gin-and-tonics from their honor bar.  Several rooms front on the street and
have a porch you can sit on in rocking chairs and do the same thing ... you're
up on the second floor, so it's quite peaceful.  If you really want to
splurge, you can get the suite on the top floor, accessible by your own
private elevator, that Paul Newman stayed in during the filming of Blase.  It
has skylights that you can open and a luxurious bathroom plus a living room in
which you could probably entertain 15 people if you were so inclined.  It has
no restaurant but the honor bar is always accessible, and the people who staff
the desk are extraordinarily helpful and will get reservations for you at the
restaurants of your choosing; they'll also advise and are very good.  They'll
deliver a snack of freshly baked biscuits, strawberry jam and mean black
coffee or tea to you for breakfast for a small fee, but there are great
bakeries in the area open early, too, so in the great N'Awlins tradition, you
can do whatever suits you, cher.  I've always enjoyed New Orleans so much,
I've never noticed the weather.  Where ever you end up, enjoy!
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From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Good New Orleans Hotel
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:14:32 GMT

Can anyone recomend a good (great) hotel in New Orleans.

Near Jackson Square.  How about restaurant.

Price no object.


BTW what is the weather like in Feb there.

Thanks!

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From: hyw@philabs.philips.com (Huay-Yong Wang)
Subject: Wanted: Info on Nova Scotia
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:25:07 GMT

My wife and I are planning a trip to Nova Scotia and PEI this spring.
We are thinking of taking the cruise boat from Portland, Maine
that allows us to bring our car along. What's the best time to go
during the spring season? Comments and sightseeing tips will be greatly
appreciated.

Regards,
Huay-Yong
From: grob@chorus.fr (Lori S. Grob)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Can one use calling card at Frankfurt Airport?
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:33:43 GMT
Organization: Chorus systemes, 6 av. Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, France

In article <1993Jan8.024253.22111@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> riehm@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Carl Riehm) writes:
>>
>I wonder how many people are aware that one can call N.America from most 
>European countries by dialling a local number, say in Germany, which connects
>you directly with Canada or the U.S., as the case may be. The Canadian service 
>is called Canada Direct and you can get the number for each European country
>from Bell.  There is a similar service for the U.S., presumably run by ATT.
>Another advantage is that you pay the N.A.--> Europe rates, not the 
>Europe -->  N.A. ones which are much higher in general.  And yes you can use
>your calling card (in fact you have to unless you're reversing the charges,
>I think). It is a *very* easy service to use....   Carl Riehm.
>

Just for your information, it is NOT always cheaper than using
local long distance. From France for instance you pay a small
connect fee (couple of bucks) then a flat rate per minute. 

You do not get a discount for Sundays, holidays or late evenings.

So depending on the length of time you are talking, and what the local
phone rates are at the moment it is often cheaper to call using the
local long distance. However I understand that it is less convenient
for tourists who have to  deal with the local phone system, perhaps
an operator if they are reversing the charges and need to have either
a phone card or go somewhere where they can make an overseas call.

But I know that when I am calling the US from my apartment
it is definitely not alway cheaper to use USA direct. 

However if I want to call the US during the day it could very well
be cheaper.

To use USA direct from France dial 19 (2nd dial tone) 00 11 and
either the number you are calling in the US followed by a beep followed
by your ATT credit card or just hold after the  19 00 11 and you will get
an ATT operator who can reverse the charges or otherwise help you out.

The International Herald Tribune publishes the access codes for
USA direct on the last page every day for most of the world.
--
L.S. Grob
Chorus syste`mes			phone +33-1-30-64-82-17
6 avenue Gustave Eiffel			fax   +33-1-30-57-00-66	
F78182 Saint Quentin-en-Yvelines	email grob@chorus.fr	
FRANCE
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From: ibb@boyko.altai.su (Boyko V.V.)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,relcom.commerce.other,relcom.maps
Subject:           .
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 07:18:26 +0700
Distribution: su
Organization: Boyko Corporation
Reply-To: ibb@boyko.altai.su
Keywords: 




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From:  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin)
Subject: Re: Top of Kilimanjaro (Tanzania)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:43:39 GMT


In article <C0J28w.DxM@imag.fr> on Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:58:07 GMT,
schmeltzer@lifia.imag.fr writes:

  > I intend to go to Tanzania in order to climb the Kilimanjaro
  > moutain and I'd like to have some pieces of information about
  > it:

I did this in Jan 1981 or so.  All this info is correct as of then.

  > * Are there any administrative formalities to do for Tanzania?

The common way is reserve sleeping space in the huts, guides and porters
as part of a group.  The Kibo Hotel at the bottom is one common
organization point.  Kilimanjaro National Park probably has info.  Since
the country was falling apart organizationally, it was better to let a
tour group handle the hassles.

  > * I've been told that the climbing is not difficult and that
  > the only problem is to deal with altitude and lack of oxygen;
  > is that true? Is it possible to go up to the top without any
  > particular equipment?

There used to be a jeep road to 5000 m.  Above that it is a scree
(talus) slope.  The guided service climbs only 1000 m vertical a day.

One rule for high altitudes is don't exhaust yourself on the way up.
Regarding "only" people have died at this altitude on other mountains.
The oxygen level on top is about 40% of sea level.

  > * I've been also told that there are many people doing the same
  > thing and that you are under the impression to be in a highway
  > road; if this is true, what is then the best time of the year
  > to go there?

The huts could handle 60 people starting each day.  The mountain is
probably impossible in rainy seasons (fall and spring?).

  > * Considering the weather, what is the best time of the year?
  > Is there any months when the sight-seeing is the most beautiful
  > and no clouds are interfering with it? Or is it enough to get
  > up early the last walk to be at the top before the clouds
  > have come?

People try to get to the edge of the top at sunrise.

  > * It is possible that I come from Burundi where some relations
  > of mine are living: what kind of means of transport should I use
  > to go from, say Bujumbura, to Arusha? Are there coaches, trains?

Arusha is an hour from Kilimanjaro.  Dunno how you get there yourself.

Notes:

Gilman's point, the edge of the crater is about 5600 m.  The true top is
Uhuru point, 1 km around the edge and 200 m higher.  *I* went there.
Most people stop at Gilman's.

There are other, more difficult and dangerous routes up.

This is an excellent trip.  It goes from rain forest at 2000 m,
gradually to just snow and ice on the top.

From the top I could see clouds 2000 m below me, which were 2000 m above
the ground, which was 2000 m (roughly) above sea level.
-- 
---------------------
Wm. Randolph Franklin,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu, (518) 276-6077;  Fax: -6261
ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
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From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: Cheap Tokyo Hotels?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:35:24 GMT

I can *absolutely* recommend the
  Aoyama President Hotel
  at 497-0111 Tokyo

You can call them directly to book. The staff is used to dealing with 
foreigners and speaks excellent English.  But this hotel is getting
*discovered*.  So its fequently booked.  Prices in the US$100 range, and
is really an elegant business hotel.  Since economy is "in" these days in 
Japan, many Japanese as well use the hotel.

The location is ideal.. Right on the Ginza Line at Aoyama 1-chome 
subway exit. Highly recommended.  Aoyama is just one subway stop from
Akasaka, where the New Otani and Okura are located.

For more econimcal sleeps, email me.  I know a good hotel at about $50 double
in Ueno called Suigetsu, near the Skyliner to Narita in Ueno Park.  Very
nice, but rooms are small.

Jim Turley...old Asia Hand.


iiiiiii
                             kk
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN)
Subject: France Trip: Prices?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:12:38 GMT

I will be scrounging up enough money so that come this spring I will be able
to visit a friend of mine in Paris.  Before I start doing serious "price quote"
research, I thought I'd check here and get some ballpark figures.

1.  Anyone have experience with cheap flights from the U.S. East Coast to 
    Paris?  How LOW can you GO?

2.  I will not be paying lodging costs in Paris (oh THANK you oh THANK you).
    So I will have at the very least a roof over my head, and perhaps one meal
    a day.  How much will food run me for a 9-day period in Paris?  Any neat
    places to hit?  I forgot to mention I'll be eating out...no kitchen, don't
    you know.

3.  Any other tips and or strategies?  I've been there once before and have
    seen the requisite sights; now I'm just interested in the "going" part of
    going there.

Thanks in advance.
Yours cheaply,

LAiRD

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ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu           |
ljnelson@amh.amherst.edu            |          The Quintet-essential.
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From: evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Utah
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:56:31 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Go to Capital Reef.  This was a common haunt of the USU Mountaineers for 
Spring break.  The backpacking (esp in the Waterpocket Fold) is unbelievable.
1000 foot cliffs stand over the main (tourist) campground.  Be carefull 
with the climbing -- that part of Utah is almost exclusively sandstone.

Enjoy it,

Rich Evans
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Where is the climbing wall in NYC?
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:44:41 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems

In article <1993Jan12.143303.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, plim@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (plim) writes:
> Where is the climbing wall in NYC?

According to George Willig, it is down near the World Trade Center :^} !!


-- 
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               ---===-------  National System Engineer - Telecom
             -----=====-----  Pyramid Technology Corporation
           -------=======---  1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250
         ---------=========-  Vienna, VA 22182

	Phone: (703) 848-2050	Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300
	    mike@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com -or- uunet!pyrdc!mike
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: what mits are good?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:35:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iavltINNldn
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

I'm in the market for a good pair of mits for skiing and winter
mountaineering.  I currently have a pair of old O.R. mits which are okay,
but not impressive.  I've been looking at mits like Wild Country,  Black
Diamond, Granite Gear, and Climb High.  I'm particularly curious about the
climb high ones since they're seam taped and reasonably inexpensive
compared to the wild country mits.  Does anyoe out there have any
reccomendations or experiences for any of the above mits or something similar?

					-Thanks in advance,
					 David Veale
From: degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu (Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Belaying
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:26:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bmsrs.usc.edu

I
>I guess I'm still searching for the perfect belay appliance.

Try an ATC (bu Black Diamond)


-- 

Ray (DJ) DeGennaro II
degennar@scf.usc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: cpguenth@next15 (CHRIS P. GUENTHER)
Subject: Gaithersburg Md. 
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:26:37 GMT

New River Gorge is about 4.5 hours away unless you get caught in traffic
before you get out of the D.C. area. Traffic is unreal.Dont forget to try  
other areas ie; Seneca Rocks 3hrs away and of course you have the local  
crags Great Falls and Caderock just minutes away.Great Falls has great 
top ropping and Caderock has top ropping and great bouldering.Unless of  
course you are a hard core sports climber then you will probably want to  
keep a top rope on for some of the more committing moves off the deck.
There is also a indoor climbing area in Rockville where its nice and safe  
and warm. Sport climbing is everything rock climbing should not be.
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: chinson@chin (Chinson Yi)
Subject: Climb wall in/around L.A. (Where is it?)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:17:02 GMT

Title says it all.  It is raining in L.A. :-(

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From: sw4847@uacsc1
Subject: Climbing wall in NYC
Reply-To: sw4847@uacsc1
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 03:17:15 GMT

	Yes there is, It's on 56th st near 10th Av, next to John Jay
College. (around there) It's in  a city gym, and is operated by the "City
Climbers Club" It costs $8 per day or $70 per year. It's open after 5:00 PM.
They don't accept cash. The wall includes a roof, a "cave", overhanging walls,
etc.
							Scott Weinstein
							SW4847@albnyvms.bitnet
							University at Albany

Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: eru@watson.ibm.com (Erich Ruetsche)
Subject: Re: Bavaria
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 07:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: eru@titlis.zurich.ibm.com (Erich Ruetsche)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Zurich Research

>anybody could tell me of any good climbing/backpacking areas in Bavaria,
>Austria, Switzerland.  I've done a lot of climbing around Berchtesgaden

I know a few areas in Switzerland: 
	Raetikon: excellent rock climbing, ski touring
	Glarner Alpen:	excellent rock climbing, ski touring
 	Berner Oberland:
		THE eldorado for alpine climbing, ski touring
		Engelhoerner, Wenden, Interlaken: excellent rock climbing
	Walliser Alpes:		
		THE eldorado for alpine climbing, ski touring
		few good rock climbing besides Sanetsch, Leysin
	Buendner Alpen:
		good alpine climbing, ski touring	
		poor rock climbing.

If you want to know something about rock climbing and ski touring in more detail 
I am glad to help you.  

Erich Ruetsche
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (K J Leiden)
Subject: Re: Utah
Organization: Lockheed
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:42:14 GMT

In article <29333@optima.cs.arizona.edu> evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) writes:
>Go to Capital Reef.  This was a common haunt of the USU Mountaineers for 
>Spring break.  The backpacking (esp in the Waterpocket Fold) is unbelievable.
>1000 foot cliffs stand over the main (tourist) campground.  Be carefull 
>with the climbing -- that part of Utah is almost exclusively sandstone.
>
>Enjoy it,
>
>Rich Evans

I climbed at Capitol Reef last spring and was surprized how
much softer the sandstone was there compared to Indian Creek.
Some of the cracks are as clean and steep as Indian Creek,
but the rock is so soft that my foot jams actually chipped the
the edges of the crack.  Not a place for field-testing camalots!

There was supposedly a ranger keeping notes of climbs in the
park, but he had been transferred elsewhere.  I was unable to
find anyone who knew what happened to his notes, but anchors
could be seen at the top of some of the better looking cracks.

On a side note, there's an excellent mt.bike ride that starts
at the 9000 ft level on Boulder Mtn and drops 4500 ft and 17 miles
into Capitol Reef and then 10 miles back to the campground. Or
skip the car shuttle and make it a 55 mile ride.

Unlike Moab & Zion, I saw no other bikers or climbers.

Climb On,

-- 
Ken Leiden
Sunnyvale, CA
kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com 
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: new bonehead topic
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:29:32 GMT

From article <1993Jan6.235301.23970@samba.oit.unc.edu>, by Doug.Hemken@launchpad.unc.edu (Doug Hemken):
> In article <1993Jan6.193753.29638@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>>>Topic: Is climbing becoming overrun with boneheads
>>
>>Climbing is what climbers do.
>>
> 
> That pretty much some it up!  Unfortunately, not all people who climb do
                   ^^^^
> what I do.  Those people who climb for reasons for which I have no respect
> are first class boneheads.

  whut?  Do you really go to Chapel Hill?

> 
> And the world is overrun with boneheads.

  Whew! I thank we hayuv a bonehead raht-cheer!

> 
> 
> -=> Doug Hemken

-Max Elliott
From: timb@biosys.apldbio.COM (Tim Burcham)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Bay Area Climbing Clubs
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:35:03 GMT
Reply-To: timb@biosys.UUCP (Tim Burcham)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Applied Biosystems Inc, Foster City, CA

I've heard of a local climbing club called "Rock Rendezvous".
Does anyone know anything about the club and how to "join"?
Are there any other bay area climbing clubs people know of?

Tim Burcham
timb@apldbio.com
(415)570-6667
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: timtow@timtow.b1.ingr.com (Tim Tow)
Subject: Re: Tennessee Wall
Reply-To: timtow@timtow.b1.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:58:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.052745.1@adcalc.fnal.gov>, bliss@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
|> I'm planning a trip to Georgia next month and thought I might stop at Tennessee
|> Wall on the way down.  Could some one tell me if any of the routes can be top
|> roped?  Is there a guide book for the area?

Kevin,

I've never seen a TR'able route at the TWall...  No walkdowns for miles!  :-)

There is a guidebook but, from what I hear, it is out of print...  I hear some
places have none left while others have reams of them..   Please, someone 
correct me if I am wrong.

There are usually quite a bit of people there at this time of year and you may 
be able to hop on routes with them...

For TR, try Sand Rock, AL  (see the recent Climbing "Southern Exposure" article
or email me for details/directions, etc).  Most routes there can be TR'd.

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