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From: sap@lucid.com (Synthia Petroka)
Subject: Pug pups for sale
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:13:47 GMT

    AKC registered pug pups
born 1/4/93, available mid-March
 fawn colored, 3 male, 2 female
	   $300 each
From: mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Itchy Tummy
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:41:44 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: virga.larc.nasa.gov

In article <11JAN199311455492@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, prkenne@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know of any over the counter products that will relieve itching 
|> as in bug bit type itching?  Our golden keeps getting what looks like 
|> mosquito bites in various areas of his belly that he scratches and bites at 
|> so I know they're itching.  They go away but then he gets more of them.  He 
|> isn't scratching or biting to the point where his skin breaks out (he did 
|> this once with an allergy and the vet took care of it) but I hate to see 
|> him keep scratching like that.  I called the vet but they won't recommend 
|> any over the counter remedies, they want me to bring him in for the same 
|> injection he had with an allergy.  I'm hoping there is an alternative to 
|> this because he did have side effects from that shot and also between the 
|> visit, the shot, and the topical medicine the last time was $70 and I 
|> really can't affort to spend that much every few weeks.  Has anyone else 
|> had a similar problem or know of something we can do?  I though of giving 
|> him the brewers yeast/garlic tablets he had in the warmer months to ward 
|> off fleas (which he didn't get) with the reasoning that if they kept away 
|> fleas maybe they'd discourage whatever is biting him now.  All suggestions 
|> are more than welcome!
|>  			

I fostered a dog with exactly the same symptoms (golden male too). My vet also
gave an injection to stop him from itching and also to let his tummy heal. He
also prescibed some anti-histamine type tablets to be given once every week. The itching did go away but from what I hear from his adopted family - if he even has
one flea on him he starts the same itching again - and it sure is hard to find ONE flea in all that hair!! (They've been using a flea comb everyday, even nowadays) I could find out more exact details from the adopted family if you want.
Good luck

Shalini 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Update on Great Dane rescue
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:05:16 GMT

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question about Great Dane rescues.  Here
is what happened over the weekend:

On Friday an r.p.d. reader sent me a phone number for a Great Dane rescue
contact in Pennsylvania.  I called the woman on Saturday morning, and she
gave me a the number of a contact person in Maryland, about 20 miles away 
from me.  

I went back to the SPCA shelter Saturday afternoon and paid to adopt Champ,
who is a 3.5 year old dark brindle male (neutered).  They will not release
him to me until they send someone to my house to verify that I have a fenced
yard of sufficient size.  So I will pick up Champ sometime this week.

I called the rescue contact in Maryland on Sunday.  She asked me to find out
all I could about Champ's background when I pick him up.  Since we don't
know whether he will be aggressive towards my dog & cats, she suggested
I take Champ directly to their vet and drop him off there.  After being
examined, he will go to a foster home.

I think it's best that I don't adopt Champ permanently, but I feel good 
knowing that I will have saved his life.  He had been at the shelter 6 days
as of Saturday...  Thanks again to everyone on r.p.d. who helped me save him.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mary Ryan				mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lizalee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza L Miller)
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:40:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.141518.5164@shearson.com> sgoodman@shearson.com writes:
>Could anyone sum up the differences between the existing and proposed lab standards ?  I started reading the proposed standard and i found it too wordy.  I would like to know what they are proposing to change about the standard.
>
>thanks
>

Sure, I'd be happy to do that.  The main differences are that they
improved the description of the breed, added some disqualifications,
and added some lectures on what problems bad form cause in the dog. 

As to why they are proposing the change?  I wish I knew.

-=lizalee

-- 
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@leland.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: toolan@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Getting a dog (A sad story)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:04:36 GMT

In article <1ife6dINN2sq@overload.lbl.gov>, eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth 
finlayson) writes:
> This is a sad story looking for a happy ending.  My sister in Maryland
> recently adopted two sisters.  Two years previously she had adopted
> their biological sister so now she has three sisters.  The older girls
> have some emotional/developmental problems and my sister wanted to get
> them a puppy so they would have something to love in their new home.
> Since both my sister and her husband work and commute long hours I
> managed to convince her that a puppy was probably a bad idea and that
> she should consider getting an older dog from a rescue organization.

	I agree that rescuing an older dog would probably be a better idea
	for them than raising a puppy.

> [some stuff deleted]
> while everyone was gone from the house 
> the burglers came back.  The dog, who was locked in the house, was
> let out and was hit by a car.  [stuff deleted]
> The rescue organization was very angry about the dog being killed and
> let them know that they would never get another dog from them.  

	Jeez, does the rescue organization think they PLANNED to have burglars
	let the dog out?  That just doesn't seem logical to me.
> 
> If anyone has any ***constructive*** advice on how they should proceed
> in getting a new dog, or dogs they're thinking about getting another
> bassett hound too, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Elizabeth
> eufinlayson@lbl.gov

	My sympathies for all the troubles your sister's family has gone
	through.  Adoptions can be traumatic enough without all the other
	stuff going on.

	Has your sister's family ever considered adopting a retired racing
	Greyhound?  They're fantastic with kids of all ages.  We also have
	gone through the adoption of an older child, and our dogs have been
	absolutely terrific with/for him.

	There are thousands of Greyhounds looking for a home.  They are not
	necessarily good as watch dogs, but with an alarm in the home, your
	sister may not necessarily need a watch dog now.  They get along well
	with other pets, also.  Our first Greyhound was a companion to a 
	miniature poodle, who used to walk under her all the time.  Amber
	just watched Brandy walk on through with this quizzical look on her
	face.

	Greyhounds are gentle, intelligent, clean dogs.  If you or your
	sister's family would like any more information, please feel free
	to email me.  I am active in the Maryland chapter of Greyhound Pets
	of America.

		*	*	*	*	*
				*
	Sharon Toolan		*	My opinions are my own;
	toolan@stsci.edu	*	No one else would want them!
				*
		*	*	*	*	*

	      Make a fast friend--adopt a Greyhound!

"Mom" to Amber (8 yr old retired racing Greyhound) and
	 Topaz (3.5 yr old retired racing Greyhound)
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dominance (was Re: Strange puppy behavior)
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:28:10 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

[Someone posts about not being able to discipline Pomeranian because he barks and
becomes indignant; someone else says it's a bad idea to let dog get away with this]

In article <64640035@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett) writes:
>No offense intended, but I wholeheartedly agree.  Your dog is dominating the
>heck out of you.  

Hallelujah and amen!  I wonder if some people hate "little yappy dogs"
because a higher percentage of owners of such dogs allow them to be nasty?

>I know a couple who had a furry little dog and they let him dominate them like
>yours is dominating you.  It was only a matter of time before he started biting
>them.  They finally euthanized him.  Please get some help with yours before
>things get really ugly.

Yep.  Someone here at work (who may read this -- if so, hi!) was telling me
about his mother's dachshund.  Mom can't bear to discipline the little
darling.  No one can come near her if he's on her lap because he goes into a
"protective" (as in "stay away from my property"!) frenzy.   He pees on the
floor because she "can't" housebreak him.  She backs off when he growls at
her -- and he does.  Recently he tried to bite her when she went to take
something away from him and so she's asked her son to take him temporarily.

But look -- from the dog's point of view he was acting appropriately.  He
was correcting HER -- his subordinate!

I am trying to get him to try to get across to his mom that she's not doing
her dog any favors by allowing it to get away with everything, but she is
very resistant to training it.  Who knows how it will turn out.  And it's
apparently a very nice little dog, too.  I hope it doesn't end up dead.
There is talk of giving it away, but who would want to adopt such a problem?

Anybody remember the story of Magnus the dominant dachshund in the James
Herriot stories?

Anyway, I don't mean to imply that the original poster has ruined her dog,
just to agree with the sentiment that letting your dog, of any size, push you 
around is really bad idea.

For me, give me a mellow middle-of-the-roader over a challenging dominant
dog every time.  All my dogs have been wimps. :-)

- Susan
From: Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Adding to Pet Peeves
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:10:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ELF.ELF.93Jan8151007
	<1i4ec9INNh3j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1ia1laINNoa1@weiss.cs.unc.edu>
	<1ijttjINN43u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science

In article <1ijttjINN43u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart) writes:

   Great point!  And <GRINS!> a viscous dog is hard to pour because it is
   sticky!  But I know that you meant vicious!  <grin>

<sheepish grin>  I _knew_ I was typing too fast.

   >Maybe we can recommend that insurance companies give a break to owners
   >whose dog(s) has (have) a CD -- kinda like giving a break to drivers
   >that attended driving lessons.  That kind of promotion ahould probably
   >be handled at the national level.

   I wonder if the AKC is doing this?  They would seem to be the ones with the
   money and the contacts to mount this type of campaign.  I would just
   suggest that a discount be offered to anyone who has completed a training
   course and not necessarily put a title on a dog.  It would be irresponsible
   of me to take my Airedale off-lead for his CD as his past experiences make
   him afraid of crowds and into a runner.  Just training with him was enough
   to make me more responsible with him as the first dog in my life.

Yeah, this was a tough one.  I thought about things like people that
didn't want or didn't have the opportunity to show & get the CD, so in
principle I agree with you.  My one hesitation is that I've seen too
many people go through "basic" training with their dogs & it didn't
sink in.  Usually these were the same people that brought their dogs
in because they waited until the dog was already creating problems.
The instructor keeps saying, "Correct that dog!  Get _mad_ at him!!"
(when the dog is growling & snapping at another dog in the class),
sometimes demonstrating themselves.  But the owner keeps saying
softly, "Bad dog" <weak tug on lease>... etc.  I don't know if these
dogs "graduate" from the class, but if they do, then using the class
as the discriminating factor may weaken it if there are later claims
against these dogs.

This is hopefully not the common case, so it may be good enough in
general.

.Terri
(companion to Amethyst Nausicaa O'Chancery <Tika> : Belgian Sheepdog)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Adding to Pet Peeves
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Whippany, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:32:47 GMT

In article <ELF.93Jan7150617@ELF.cs.cmu.edu> Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling) writes:

>Until then let's only sell our puppies to responsible owners & try to
>educate the rest of the world about how to raise a well behaved dog.
>Maybe we can recommend that insurance companies give a break to owners
>whose dog(s) has (have) a CD -- kinda like giving a break to drivers
>that attended driving lessons.  That kind of promotion ahould probably
>be handled at the national level.

At a local level, it seems to be working already.  When we bought our
house, we decided to go with Prudential for our homeowner's insurance.
(Mainly because we have Pru for the cars...given my druthers, I'd pick
just about anybody else, but that's another story.)  So, we sat down
to talk with the agent, and the subject of dogs came up.  I didn't say
anything at first about my "vicious, killer Dobes" :-).  Actually, I
probably could pass them off as Coonhound-Weimeraner crosses, since
they don't look like the stereoptypical Dobe.  As the conversation
progressed, I learned that the agent is a Dobe fancier...has a bitch
who's related to Indy (the red Dobe who won Westminster a couple of
years back).  So, I 'fessed up, and admitted to the breed of my dogs.
She promised to push for us to be accepted, anyway, and I guess she
was successful, as we haven't been canceled yet.  Someone from the
company did phone and ask about the dogs' breed, and whether they had
had any training.  And they may have checked with my previous insurer,
to see if there had been any problems in the past.  (There haven't.)
So, maybe there's hope...or maybe Dobes aren't as high on the list as
they once were?

>Another interesting data point is to know if houses without dogs are
>more likely to be burgularized.  Unfortunately, to calculate this
>accurately you would need to know the percent of houses in an area
>that had dogs, as well as the percent that were bugerlarized that
>did/did not.  The first number would be difficult to get I imagine.

For what it's worth, I have friends who did some small-scale burglary
in their younger days.  They have told me that a barking dog was the
biggest deterrent for them.  Maybe a professional crook wouldn't be so
easily scared off, but surely there's *some* benefit to the presence
of a dog.

Roberta
...and the DoberGuards...
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: lab list??
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 09:33:52 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan4.213650.10445@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
    jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
 
>>Anyway, if anyone could provide me with subscription info I would
>>appreciate it.  I could not find it on the Internet list of mailing
>>lists (which did have the golden retriever list).
>
>And is there such a thing as a Labrador retriever list?? If so, please
>e-mail me info.
 
I've never heard of such a thing, but I'm not so sure that a mailing
list with such a narrow focus is such a good thing (at least *I* would
expand it to include all of the retrieving breeds).  That's one reason
that I like this group so much:  many of the topics are relative
regardless of breed.  And those that aren't are very easy to simply
not read.
 
I'm not saying that you shouldn't join such a group.  What I am saying
is that I wouldn't want to see you join such a group exclusively.
 
 
>Also, I recall hearing something once about a list called
>CANINE-L - does anyone know anything about it (and if such a thing
>exists, is it worth joining?)
 
CANINE-L is a Listserv list.  To subscribe to it, you need to send
mail to LISTSERV@PCCVM.BITNET with the body text containing only
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Don't bother putting in any pleasentries because LISTSERV is a program,
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:01:22 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <64640032@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett) writes:

>      Depending on how well mannered your 2 dogs were, having two of them
>PLUS having to care for a baby could be too much.  If it were me, I would 
>stick with one dog at this point.  
>
>Surely there are some mothers out there with 2 dogs?  Let's hear from some
>real veterans!


Ok, I have two dogs and a kid.  I had two adult dogs when the kid was born.
The dogs were 7 and 9, so they were calm and trained.  Having two of them
was no more trouble than having one would have been (but OH bending to wipe
feet before the kid was born was AWFUL!!).

We lost the older dog to cancer when the kid was not-quite-two.

Last year we got a puppy.  So we're back to being a two-dog, one-kid family.
(Though I'm kind of thinking about adding another dog....  :-) )

I would say -- if both dogs are trained and used to your family BEFORE the
kid arrives, no problem. 

I would never have a baby in the house at the same time as a puppy or other
new dog, just because it's more than I'd want to take on all at once.

Your mileage may vary.


From: johnson@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:15:06 GMT
Subject: Coonhound needs a home.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

     I have a Black and Tan Coonhound for which I am seeking a good home.
I rescued him from the clutches of the euthanasia person at the local
shelter because I wanted him to have another chance.  I can't say that he
is purebred but he certainly looks close to it.  He is about two years
old, neutered, very friendly, and stays in the yard even when unrestrained
or tempted by other passing dogs.  I have three other large dogs and my
wife started packing her bags when I came home with this one, so he needs
another home.

     I have about $250 into him now (all veterinary start-up expenses) and
I would like to recoup $50 of it.  I will offer a money-back guarantee in
that if he doesn't work out I will buy him back.  Shipping costs are
negotiable.

     Does anybody know about a coonhound or just a general hound rescue
group that may be able to help me out?

     Thank you,

     Jim Johnson
     johnson@hpscdc.hp.com
     Home: 408-438-6114 (northern California)
     Days: 408-553-2622
From: Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Constant criticism of Elaine (was Re: training problem <sigh>)
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:07:41 GMT
	<C0CE01.K7C@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science

In article <C0CE01.K7C@acsu.buffalo.edu> kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes:

   In article <9301032124.AA2194@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
   >
   >  It looks like Buffy's free time off leash is coming to an end. It's
   >a bad idea to let your dog off leash is she can't be depended to
   >return to you when you call her.  What if there were an emergency, and
   >you had to have her back right aawa?  She could easily be hurt or
   >killed if she picked that minute not to obey you.

   Exactly my answer...give up and just not let her off lead anymore.  Don't
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   worry about a pro trainer if you aren't having any luck, or just training
   indoors or in a fenced place til she does learn.  Just keep her tethered all
   the time!

   (For the humor impaired, I was being sarcastic!)

   Kelly

Kelly: your message (if I read it correctly) implies that you
sarcastically agree with Elaine's "answer", which you represent as
being, "Just keep her tethered all the time."  That was NOT Elaine's
whole suggestion.  She also writes the following (which agrees with a
great deal of other good advice on this thread) :

     Of course, it would be a good move to work on her recall.  I would
   not let her loose again until she came when you called.

I see Elaine getting a great deal of criticism in this group, even
when her postings do not warrant it.  I guess at some point she made a
few enemies here & now any excuse for provocation suffices.  I would
appreciate it if you guys could wait until she posts something WORTH
flaming her for before trying to make her look bad.  Or at least
change the subject heading (as I did) so that I can know to skip over
it.

I do NOT want to become a pariah, and this is not a flame, I just want
you to take a look at EACH message posted before trashing it on
general principles.

Thanks,
.Terri
Companion to Amethyst Nausicaa O'Chancery (Tika) : Belgian Sheepdog
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Private email or public postings for the new Lab standards issue
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:44:48 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I personally feel that this topic concerning the possible
change in AKC Standards for the Lab is something that should be discussed
ON the list.  I feel that this is soemthing we should ALL be interested
in, regardless of which way we may lean concerning the issue.

I personally feel that it is imperative that we work at preserving the
breeds, all of them, and attempting to maintain the original purpose
of each breed.  ANd I think that things have gone far enough in the
opposite direction without letting this happen to even further things
in the wrong direction.

To me, any dog lover, no matter what breed, should be deeply concerned by this 
current topic concerning the possible changes in teh standard for Labs
or any breed for that matter.

Suzanne (And Min the Go-Go Girl too!! *smile*)
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:20:12 GMT

In <C0pJ7n.1Kw0@austin.ibm.com> repass@austin.ibm.com (Jim Repass) writes:

>Now back to my point. Is displaysia in Retrievers rare? Or is it a problem
>that won't let them function? Different breeds apparently handle Displaysia
>(and guarantees) differently.

No, it is not, unfortunately.  It seems to be apparent in almost any
breed over 50lbs.  There are some exceptions, but I can't think of them
off the top of my head.

--Cindy
--
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