Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek)
Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:14:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.205528.4057@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> camh@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Hasan Cam) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.140034.11278@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) writes:
>...
>[stuff deleted]
>> 
>> 12) Is there any electronic mail list for discussions related to Turkish
>> people/culture etc.?
>> 
>> Yes, there are plenty. One that's very famous is TEL, Turkish Electronic
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> List. The language used in communication is mostly Turkish and there is
>  ^^^^^^
>I believe that the net TSAA-L is at least as famous as TEL, if not
>more famous. Why?!!! Don't you remember that some subcribers of ICTS-L
>(the old name of TSAA-L) have been advertised(!) in daily newspapers
>such as Cumhuriyet(!) 2 years ago?  Don't you remember that a
>congressman from SHP asked the Ministry of  Education (or government)
>what the subscribers of ICTS-L had done?

Although there is not much worth commenting above, the fact that you seem
to direct some questions to me, made me write this message. I did not hear
about Cumhuriyet article, TSAA, ICTS and TEL when I was in Turkiye. I used
"Famous", because, to the best of my knowledge, TEL has the largest number of
subscribers; maybe I should have said "well-known". If I am wrong, or if this 
sentence offended anybody (including Hasan Cam), I would be glad if the next 
person, who will take care of the faq in the future, corrects it.

>> no restriction about the topics discussed. To subscribe, one should send
>> a mail with the body "sub tel your_name your_family_name" to 
>> tel@uscvm.bitnet. Other lists can be summarized (not complete) as follows:
>> 
>> list name   topics discussed    mail address          command for subscription
>> ---------   -----------------   ----------------      ------------------------
>> tel         everything          listserv@uscvm.bitnet  sub tel name last_name
>> ptt-l       everything-u      listserv@liverpool.ac.uk sun ptt-l name last_name
>> trknws-l    news                listserv@uscvm.bitnet  sub trknws-l name l_name
>> yunus       turkish tex users   listserv@trmetu.bitnet sub yunus name last_name
>> tsaa-l      religion, everyth. listserv@purccvm.bitnet sub tsaa-l name l_name
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This is a BIASED description for TSAA-L. Although many of
>the subscribers of TSAA-L do discuss Islamic religion, it
>doesn't give right anybody to say that the net has dedicated
>particularly to the religious topics. The bottomline is that
>any subscriber of TSAA-L can post any message on it.

Hasan, at this point, you seem to overreact. In the space provided,
I believe "religion, everything" describes the contents of TSAA best.
"Islam, everything" may be an alternative. You can not deny the fact that
TSAA is mostly concerned with religious topics (note: I do not mean that 
there is something wrong with that; it is perfectly normal and -actually-
necessary to have a list discussing Islamic issues), although everything can
be discussed based on the existing policy. I think the religious nature
should be emphasized in such an faq, so that interested people may have
a minimum amount of idea before subscribing the list. In any case, I tried to
provide some information to the best of my knowledge. Neither you, nor any of 
the sct and tsaa members, cared to provide any information/correction about 
tsaa before and after I posted a preliminary version. Hence, your complaint 
about the `biased description' seems rather odd to me, although, to tell the 
truth, not very surprising based on my previous experiences with your 
(il)logic.

Nevertheless, I believe that, being the list owner of TSAA, you may contact to
the person who will be maintaining this article in the future (if there 
exists such a person of course) and you may try to persuade him/her to 
include an `unbiased' description.

Let's be a little bit more thoughtful and tolerant when critisizing other
people's efforts. Thank you.

>Hasan Cam
>List owner of TSAA-L

Regards,
Parlakbilek