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From: rankin@ms.uky.edu (David W. Rankin Jr.)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:19:50 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I know the people who operate a couple of these bots, and feel compelled
to explain their purposes some. For the record: I am too opposed to the
IRCbot concept, but some bots (especially the NickServ,NoteServ, etc bots)
do have a legitimate purpose.

In article <1992Jul20.145258.26554@aston.ac.uk> evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
>dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:
>: 
>: How many of these are useless? obviously some are not; I don't consider
>: Nickserv or Noteserv & company useless.
>If people need to test their bots I can see no problem with setting up 
>their own, local, server to test them on. Before letting them loose.
>right then let's see?
This is a lot easier said than done. Even if you can get a server compiled
(which can be above the skills of a lot of IRCusers), a lot of sysadmins
tolerate ircII but will not at all like ircds floating around.
It's a good idea, yes, but not one all can do.  
I'd personally suggest if that isn't possible, that the bot be isolated
on an invisible line and be tested there.
> *skips over a couple of bots *
>: *          PrayBot   H   mcknight@DIJKSTRA.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU (/msg PrayBot help)
>Looks to be some sort of dressed up version of msgserv owned by scooby
This bot collects prayer requests for people who want Christians who use IRC
to pray for them. As he said, you'll need to ask Scooby how to use it.
> *more bots skipped *
>: *          Avabot    H   rabanes@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Domine non sum dignus)
>Refers to Biblebot, reads passages from the bible, some help options don't work
This bot does channel control (invites,oping,etc.) for a couple of private
channels. Write to that address for more information. 
>: #christian gospelbot H@  godrules@rac2.wam.umd.edu (/msg biblebot help)
>Reads from and searches the bible, owned by Elijah.
This is actually BibleBot. Other than that, this is rather self-appearant.
>* Many more bots deleted. *
>Enables access to ftp site. (dosn't anyone running IRC have access to ftp
>anyway?)
Not necessarily. A *lot* of machines restrict FTP to root, but have a person
who one way or another got the ircII client.
>* More bots deleted *
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark Evans                                   |evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk
>+(44) 21 565 1979 (Home)                     |evansmp@cs.aston.ac.uk
>+(44) 21 359 6531 x4039 (Office)             |
I don't mean to flame Mark here, since he does have a good point, and
hope that all recognize that any "hot spots" are purely accidental.

--------<Insert standard "These are my thoughts only" disclaimer here>-------
David W. Rankin, Jr., Mac Archiver on f.ms.uky.edu    Yorick on IRC
  Email: rankin@ms.uky.edu  rankin@ukma.bitnet  rankin@ukma.uucp
"When I was in college, we worked on a Prime 6350 running PRIMOS.
    And we liked it!!" Myself in 30 years (apologies to Monty Python)
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: ircle display problem SOLVED (?)
Date: 24 Jul 1992 19:54:30 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nbi-ug-mac2.ira.uka.de

I think the display problem is solved (at least partially).
For a quick fix, switch your screen to Black/white mode
and place all windows non-overlapping. Seems the problem 
wrt. the active window does occur only in modes with more
than 2 colors.

olaf
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: irc down?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:59:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <15731bINNpou@ashley.cs.widener.edu> dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields) writes:

>  Is irc down?  Or is there some other reason that I can get in.

One of the sites you mention, irc.virginia.edu, has been up
continuously for quite a while, so I would suggest that your problem
is local to your site.
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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.irc,comp.sys.mac.comm,de.talk.chat
Subject: Macintosh IRC Client available
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:12:08 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav1.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

ircle - a small IRC client for the Macintosh
============================================

I have written an IRC client for the Macintosh and would like to offer
to the public the opportunity to test it.

The program is called: ircle 0.3.1

It has been uploaded to
   ftp.ira.uka.de
   ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
and should soon appear in the proper directories.
It has also been submitted to the comp.binaries.mac moderator for
USENET distribution.

I would like if some people use this program, and tell me about
bugs that are probably ;-) still in it.

System requirements: any Mac (in theory), any System, MacTCP.


MfG,
        Olaf
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From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Help on irc (and bots)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:31:21 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ashley.cs.widener.edu

  I've been playing around on irc for a while, and I decided that it
was about time that I became a little more familiar with the command
set.  However, the online help isn't really too helpful and I was
wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of some better
documentation.  I would be very grateful if someone could throw some
bot code my way.  I have a simple bot at the moment, but I would like
to see a more complicated one and learn by example.

Thanks in advance...

-- 
  Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS    |  Some people can tell what time it is by
  dxandy@cs.widener.edu           |  looking at the Sun, but I have never been
  dxandy@cyber.widener.edu        |  able to make out the numbers.
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Basket Weavers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:34:48 GMT

In article <14kmmcINNegg@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:

>gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) wrote :
>  >On behalf of all Americans who agree with me, I'd like to apologise
>  >for this bozo.
	[..]
>ps: I'd be pretty stupid to let you speak on my behalf anyway, so
>apologize for yourself.

It would appear that you are, in fact, pretty stupid.
Given that you disagree with Greg, he has already excluded you from
his apology. Your knee-jerk is functional, how about your reading?

gja
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Top 50 Killers (12/7/92-19/7/92)
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:01:49 GMT

jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:

>avalon@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:

>>Some things to avoid in #twilight_zone are asking:

>>*	"can I ask a question ?"
>>*	"is anyone here ?"
>>*	"how does irc work ?"
>>*	"i want to learn about irc, can anyone help me ?"
>>*	"i want to setup a server,  ''     ''    '' '' ?"

>>and so on.  Some of them will make the channel so quiet, you would think
>>everyone was asleep :-) 

>Pity us, O great gods of the #twilight_zone, if we displease you with our
>trite questions.  Remember that we are mere mortal fools.

>...shessh, Gwyd was right, tz is full of a bunch of elitist snobs.

Not really.  How many of the above would you really want to answer ?

Not only this, it is a waste of time for many people to have to wait
for people to get through the "can I ask a question" phase. Why is it
a waste of time ? Well some people IRC while they work on #tz.

People who come onto the channel and ask questions which are to the
point usually get answers quite quickly (if people are available and
able to anwser).

#tz nearly always has at least 1 live member...but to those who wander
in and expect it to be a live and happening place, just read the above.

avalon
"
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: yaz@phoenix.oulu.fi (Tuomas K Kaikkonen)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
In-reply-to: dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca's message of Sun, 19 Jul 1992 19:56:26 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:17:55

In article <BrnJE2.I9x@cs.dal.ca> dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:

<about bots but..>

I skimmed the list of bots and did not see Arska on it -- did you forget it ?
Talking of bots, it would be a unforgetfull mistake to not to mention Him ;-)

We could divide the bots into several categories, for example:
	- Channel Operator Bots (Arska)
	- Help Bots (IrcII Helps)
	- File Server Bots (OccultSrv)
	- E-Mail Bots (OccultSrv)
	- Dictionary/Grep_a_Book Services (WebServ, BibleBot)
	- Real Irc Services (NickServ)
	- Anonymous Message Bots (LoveServ or what was it called)
	+ etc, simple greeters

That is of course a rough example and some of the bots belong to
more than only one category.  Some of the most sophisticated bots look more and
more like BBS:es (files, e-mail, different user/oper-levels, and such).
What will we see next ?

I am running out of time so.  The links are down now, not only irc-links
but the whole net is unreachable, just the local net is working.
A fine night for working ;-)

--Tuomas
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From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: IRC information
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:01:05 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Can someone tell me where I can ftp, or can someone send me information
  about IRC ? I mean as far as the links, netwrok usage and so on ?  Also, I 
   would love a explination of the code itself if such a thing exists.

			thanks,
-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
  Lawrence C Mc Abee   internet: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu | IRC nick: Silek 
     M.E. student, New Jersey Institute of Technology. Newark, NJ.
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
From: hotsenp@seq.uncwil.edu (Hotsenpiller Chanda)
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:15:56 GMT

cj@eno.corp.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:

>---
>jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>|Me too.  I've met some great people on muds.  Most of my friends I met
>|on muds.  I live with someone I met on muds.  That relationship has
>|transcended the network and is a normal, healthy relationship, though
>|it has its ups and downs like any normal relationship.

>The implication is that relationships that involve electronic
>communication are unhealthy.  Can you justify your assertion?
>(I reject it, btw, but I'm willing to look at your evidence.
>If you have any.)

	If you say that electronic communication is unhealthy, then why 
are you reading the news group.... This newsgroup is a form of electronic
communication... Also what is the difference between communicating over a 
phone and thru a computer.   Both are forms of electronic communication..
	I have several friends through mud.. I believe friendships and 
relationships are based on respect and trust of both parties. I have met 
some real nice people in mud... And I have respect and trust for these 
people and I consider them a penpal thru the network.. Every time I come in 
to a mud game --- I am hugged several times... Mostly by friends that I HAVE
made thru the game.   Normally it takes 10 minutes or so until the "HI"'s and
hugs stop.... I love it!! And to tell me that having a friend is "UNHEALTHY" 
thru a game is wrong for you to say.. Just because you don't physically see
a person does not make it "UNHEATHY" relationship.  If you say that then
you are condemming relationships over the phone, and mail too.  
	I realize that mud is a social game.  I rather play a game in which
you can take the time to learn about other player and learn about other
cultures than my own....  Mud gives you the chance... 

			Chanda Hotsenpiller (better known as newcomer and undead)

		HUGS and Kisses to all the following...
	
	Mislad, Eleazar, Cutecute, Sylver, Orck, Mick, Faldor, Ja, Luna,
Sinbad, Panzer, Dark, Poeman, and sorry if I have left anyone out ... there
are so many of you......
		We miss ya all at Abyss Mud.....

	If any of ya are reading this reply..... to me ... Want to continue the
chats....

>---
>cj@eno.corp.sgi.com	C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
>"Allow me to say that the arguments with which you have supported this
>extraordinary application have been as frivolous as the application was
>misjudged.  You have widely mistaken my character, if you think I can be
>worked on by such persuasions as these."  Jane Austen
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
From: cbraun@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Corinne Braun)
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:43:20 GMT

Yeah...but just wait until you meet them in real life...
you might not be able to stand them....


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From: smithrud@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Carolyn Louise Smithrud)
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:16:31 GMT

In article <FRIEDMAN.92Jul21223841@goldman.gnu.ai.mit.edu> friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.234453.302@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> smithrud@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Carolyn Louise Smithrud) writes:
>>                                                               However,
>>how about some discussion on:  Does network communcation have the
>>POTENTIAL to become unhealthy?  
>
>   Why is this an interesting question?  There is the potential for
>unhealthy use of everything in our daily lives: television, telephones,
>even food (I'm overweight---that is an unhealthy use of food).  The answer
>to your question is undoubtedly "yes."  Whether or not certain people have
>an unhealthy "addiction" to IRC or muds is also not in question.  Several
>people admit to being addicted to them, have flunked out of college because
>they spent to much time on them, and so on.  What was in question
>originally seemed to be whether or not these things were inherently
>narcotic, in an electronic sense.

Thanks, that goes back to what the original questions was, but people are 
still not answering it.  What do testimonials about making great friends
have to do with "these things" being "inherently narcotic"?

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From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:31:44 GMT
	<1992Jul21.141556.28494@seq.uncwil.edu>
	<1992Jul21.184320.7753@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
Followup-To: alt.irc.recovery
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: cbraun@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of 21 Jul 92 18:43:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.184320.7753@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> cbraun@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Corinne Braun) writes:
>Yeah...but just wait until you meet them in real life...
>you might not be able to stand them....

   Does that make electronic relationships bad, then?  Perhaps if the only
way you can stand someone is via the net, then the net serves a useful,
constructive social purpose: promoting amiability.

   Since I'm usually more interested in what people think or have to say,
their physical appearance is not very important to me, and it doesn't
matter if I ever meet them in person at all. 
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From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:38:41 GMT
	<1992Jul21.141556.28494@seq.uncwil.edu>
	<1992Jul21.234453.302@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Followup-To: alt.irc.recovery
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: smithrud@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of 21 Jul 92 23:44:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.234453.302@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> smithrud@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Carolyn Louise Smithrud) writes:
>                                                               However,
>how about some discussion on:  Does network communcation have the
>POTENTIAL to become unhealthy?  

   Why is this an interesting question?  There is the potential for
unhealthy use of everything in our daily lives: television, telephones,
even food (I'm overweight---that is an unhealthy use of food).  The answer
to your question is undoubtedly "yes."  Whether or not certain people have
an unhealthy "addiction" to IRC or muds is also not in question.  Several
people admit to being addicted to them, have flunked out of college because
they spent to much time on them, and so on.  What was in question
originally seemed to be whether or not these things were inherently
narcotic, in an electronic sense.
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
From: tony@disk.uucp (tony)
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:48:48 GMT

cbraun@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Corinne Braun) writes:

>Yeah...but just wait until you meet them in real life...
>you might not be able to stand them....


This isn't real life?


I met my wife this way.  She seems pretty real to me.  :)



	-=- Tony Safina -=- disk!tony@uunet.UU.NET -=-

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: good news!
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:03:12 GMT

In article <5568@ucru2.ucr.edu> dshire@ucrengr.ucr.edu (sQyrm, tHe iNsane tOddler) writes:

> hey! guess what! i've been able to stay off irc for 3 (count'em)
> NON-consecutive days now! thank you all!

Congratulations!
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:32:29 GMT

Before I totally spill my guts...what is IRC and where is it going.


Just curious

anne


Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
From: jgm@ais.org (jim miller)
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Organization: Ann Arbor Information Society -- San Diego Annex
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:54:58 GMT


cj@eno.corp.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:

>jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>|Me too.  I've met some great people on muds.  Most of my friends I met
>|on muds.  I live with someone I met on muds.  That relationship has
>|transcended the network and is a normal, healthy relationship, though
>|it has its ups and downs like any normal relationship.
>
>The implication is that relationships that involve electronic
>communication are unhealthy.  Can you justify your assertion?
>(I reject it, btw, but I'm willing to look at your evidence.
>If you have any.)


   I was showing the person I responded to that CMSI has not been all bad
for me, that it is indeed a powerful influence in my life, and that
I can find some good in it.
   "Normal" in the sense of face-to-face.  "Healthy" because it is.  So
much more healthy.  A person who thrives on electronic relationships,
like I did and still do, to the point of neglecting social skills
with real live people, is wallowing in an unhealthy addiction.
   Not all electronic relationships are unhealthy.  When they are part
of an addiction, they can be seriously unhealthy, I believe.

-jim
From: engberg@raven.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Engberg)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: Re: Net "Addiction": a Theory
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:37:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.033229.19413@cco.caltech.edu>, anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
|> Before I totally spill my guts...what is IRC and where is it going.
|> 
|> 
|> Just curious
|> 
|> anne

i was considering trying out IRC...
i even downloaded a client and got it compiled (forgot where i got it from,
so i don't know where to get the help file from...)

after reading 100+ posts on alt.irc, i've come to the stunning realization
that if this is the level of discussion on IRC's;  if this is a representative
cross-section of the clientelle...  *sigh*


daVe  "the elitist bastard who is too full of himself to get into talking about
        'ugly' women, using IRC as a weapon, pro's and con's of #TZ snobbery, etc."

standard disclaimer.

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.usenet.recovery,rec.games.mud.misc
From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Subject: Re: A bunch of prejudiced people.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 04:48:12 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve "edified" Franklin) was telling me...
>In <1992Jul22.203330.22715@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
>
>
>>All I have really seen here is how prejudice knows no boundaries...It's not
>>restricted by geder, age, race, or national boundary.  Everyone is making
>>generalizations about countries by a few peoples' reactions.
>
>  You're kidding yourself if you think this is a prejudiced scenario we
>are witnessing. This is blatant immaturity my friend. Something that IRC
>is renowned for. Many are guilty of it, but only the geeks find it difficult
>to leave immaturity behind when they're not playing.

I have found that these two things go hand in hand.  But statements
on BOTH sides are definately prejudicial.  Also immature and very degrading
to their charater...

-ALex

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:08:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.033657.27846@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:

>A representative of a small software concern once told one of my co-workers
>that they would not sell their package to anyone involved in the making
>of weapons.  Should this be permissable?  


Of course.  You, or any company, should be free to do business or not do 
business with whomever you choose.  I make the occasional knife or 
firearms.  I do not sell them to people I do not know, and trust.

The software is no different.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
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