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From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Subject: TONY- Book poll problems! Again!
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:37:49 GMT

	Tony, man, I am sorry for all of this trouble I'm 
putting you through. I sent the results to you at both addresses you gave,
and in both cases, it was returned. I will try again, but if
you could mail me your user name at this site, I can mail it
to you through this server. Thanks for your patience and understanding.


--the red-faced Denes House



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From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Subject: Re: Metaphors, Darmok and You
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:06:26 GMT

In article <1k1bulINNnih@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, gandalf@wpi.WPI.EDU (James
Michael Sambrook) wrote:
> The name of that episode is just "Darmok"  The only thing I didn't like about
> that episode is that Picard switched from his normal uniform to his "velvet
> smoking jacket." UGH!  Other than that, it was a good episode!!!

My roommate has taken to calling it the "Star Trek Varsity Jacket."

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From: honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Re
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 14:22:36 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

I think this has been said before, but just glancing at the subject list, 
the problem seems to be worsening.  There is very little point in 
prefacing every single subject with "Re:."  I take that back.  There is 
absolutely NO point in doing it and it has a tendency of becoming rather 
annoying.  The practice no doubt started when people wanted to show that 
they were responding to something as opposed to starting a new thread or 
just bringing up a new topic, so they typed Re: (Regarding:).  When 
upwards of 80% of the posts use it, though, it becomes meaningless.

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Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:35:16 EST
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Please direct followups to .misc.

In article <1jqkdlINNd2j@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> johnsos@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (johnson scott andrew) writes:
>In case you all were wondering--the real reason Picard does not speak French
>more often in TNG.....
>
>It is a dead language in the 24th century!!!!
>
>This is CANON!

But it's also canon that Worf's parents and Chekhov speak Russian, and that
Picard said "merde" in Code of Honor, that in "Inner Light" he began
singing in French, and that in "Chain of Command," he speaks a few
lines of French during extreme torture, when I would think one
would revert back to one's native language.  Now, I do agree that
Picard speaks both French and English with native-level fluency; no
one's disputing that.

>Have you forgotten the conversation on the bridge in "Code Of
>Honor" regarding "counting coup", where Data refers to it as an "obscure Earth
>language"?????

I think from Data's standpoint, never having lived and grown up in any
culture per se, it would be obscure.  Remember, on colonies like the
one Dr. Soong lived on, English is probably a lingua franca since such
colonies are multinational, so once again, to him, spoken French is
probably rare.

Chris

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee)
Subject: Re: A Ship in a Bottle
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:15:07 GMT

Also, we heard Moriarty call for the arch which, if memory serves, 
hasn't been called in the longest time.

I was hoping he would ask about Dr. Pulaski.  He just mentioned 
"a hostage".
-- 
Chris Lee
University of Illinois Urbana
lee@ceg.uiuc.edu
(217)244-2903
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: WORST EPISODE
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:02:22 GMT

In <1jn2brINNr20@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
>Interesting. I thought The Outcast was a pretty good episode.

"The Outcast" reminded me a lot of "First Contact", in that in both episodes
the writers seemed overwhelmed by the magnitude of the premises they were
working from, and both episodes ended up feeling rushed and unsatisfying.
Well, to me, anyway.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen)
Subject: Holodeck Force Feedback
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:35:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Keywords: force feedback



What is the force feedback mechanism in the Holodeck
and DS9 Holosuites? In other words, when the user
is dueling with one of the Three Musketeers, or
getting a massage from an exotic web-handed alien,
how does the Holodeck impart a force and thus create
a tactile sensation for the user?

Is there any reference to this in any of the
STNG tech manuals, or indications on the show
how this is supposed to work? I presume that I
am correct that there is some kind of force feedback
mechanism at work, and that the users don't simply
dance with holographic images.
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Nana Vistor's acting (was Re: Avery Brook's acting)
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1k6cbeINNjt1@menudo.uh.edu>, HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes...
>In <ewright.728083824@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com writes:
> 
>> In <C1F7Es.4us@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>> 
>> >     flat, believability breaks down.  I'd say Brooks should look to
>> >     Nana Visitor for a bit of nuance -- "There's your wormhole!" "...
>> >     since I was old enough to pick up a phaser."  Etc.  
>> 
>> Nana Visitor is capable of nuances?
>> 
>> Screaming every line is surely just as bad as reading them in
>> a dead monotone.  After a while, the audience filters out the
>> screaming (because "Kira always screams") and hears it as a
>> monotone.  There's nothing wrong with a character being angry,
>> but to be realistic, a character has to be capable of *some*
>> emotions besideall the time.  I think she does just fine.

     Me too.  Come on - no nuance?  How about that "hello?"  ???
     And I agree "Past Prologue" featured a well developed character
     delivreed by an exceptional actress.

     Scott
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: georgep@emr1.emr.ca (George Pachulski)
Subject: Re: No Vulcans!
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:08:53 GMT

 Wasn't there an episode with a giant ameoba in the original ST that an 
entire crew of a starship VULCAN gets wiped out.  They sure rise fast and 
r
x
fall hard in Starfleet.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: DS9: Something Weird Happened in Promo
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:50:11 GMT


	I was just watching the promo for "Ship in a Bottle" (I
know that's not DS9, but I can't change the title.)  Anyway,
the only sound was dialogue and sound effects!  There was no
music, and no narrator to tell us what was going on!  Has this
happened to anyone else?

P.S. Keiko is a babe!
						-Quinn
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN: "Emissary" The Big E and DSN
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 20:37:49 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

<No Spoiler>
Since almost everyone saw Emissary and got to comment everything from the
character's personality to the SFX, I think there is one thing that was
overlooked.  The size of the Station itself and the Enterprise.  When the
Enterprise docked with DSN in the beginning of the show, it looked small by
comparison.  But when a second starship docked with DSN, a Grissom class which
carried Dax and Dr. Bashir as well as smaller, its size and the Enterprise were
nearly the same!  How can it be!  The Enterprise carries a crew complement of
1,012, the unnamed starship must carry a few hundred.  As for DSN itself, does
anyone knows the crew capacity of it?  I heard it can accomodate 400 family
members comfortable.  Any ideas?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: Re
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:21:56 GMT

In article <DsJuXB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen) writes:
>I think this has been said before, but just glancing at the subject list, 
>the problem seems to be worsening.  There is very little point in 
>prefacing every single subject with "Re:."  I take that back.  There is 
>absolutely NO point in doing it and it has a tendency of becoming rather 
>annoying.  The practice no doubt started when people wanted to show that 
>they were responding to something as opposed to starting a new thread or 
>just bringing up a new topic, so they typed Re: (Regarding:).  When 
>upwards of 80% of the posts use it, though, it becomes meaningless.

Who typed "Re:"? I don't know about you, but if the note I'm replying to
doesn't already have an "Re:" in it, my newsreader/poster automatically sticks
it in. So try not to speak for everybody. All sweeping generalizations are
useless. Besides which, I don't particularly find it annoying; au contraire,
it provides me with an excellent way of finding original posts.
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From: 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9: Spot Fan List! READ! RESPOND!
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:40:08 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's



Here is the list of everyone who wants 
no more space rangers posts...
no more kira posts....
no more comets or music comments


The whole world!

okay this is the list of Spot lovers...
Morris
Felix
Garfield
Stimpy
All the cats in the world!

signed,
Stimpi of Deep SPOT Nine..... 
Meow Meow Meow ... theme song!
From: cse1011@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kill Troi fan club
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:28:07 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <kreidler.727887481@convex.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de>, kreidler@convex.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Homer Simpson) writes:
> Hey! How can yout write so negative about the most beautiful character in the
> series? Ok, what she says, sounds a bit dumb sometimes, but nevertheless i
> like her. For me, she's the main reason to see the new series.
> 
> Flame on you Troi-haters! 8-)
> 
> Kay Kreidler
> Dept. Of Inorganic Chemistry
> Heinrich-Heine_university Duesseldorf
> Germany
> 
	If the writers gave Ms Sirtis some good lines for once, she'd have a
great character. There's only so much an actress can do with what the writers
give her.


Kurt Cypher
kcypher@eve
Wright State University
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko a ...........?  Yuuck!
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:27:20 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <ewright.727724900@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
|> In <1993Jan20.160130@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|> 
|> > I liked the idea of her setting up an Arboretum and going through
|> > the worm-hole to bring back strange and possibly dangerous alien 
|> > plant species.  Now that definitely would have better plot potential!
|> 
|> Oh, come on, you mean get into plots based on exo-botany?  It
|> does sound interesting, but given how often the TNG writers botch 
|> *anything* having to do with biology, I can't see that happening.

 Oh, I was just having a flashback to that "salt-sucker" episode of
 TOS where Yeoman Rand was in Sulu's biology lab and was petting that
 "hand-plant" and Sulu said something like "Oh, it's friendly" and 
 she says something like "Yeah, a little TOO friendly."

 I'd much rather see something like that than Jake telling Nog 
 "Ah, ya silly, everyone knows that the gravitational quotient is
 equal to the INVERSE of the hyberbolic ....

 Oh well....
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From: canadian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Mark Aitken)
Subject: What happens to Data and Worf
Keywords: DATA, WORF Season 7
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:28:09 GMT

Please someone tell me it isn't true.
Are Worf and Data (Michael and Brent) not having their contracts renewed
for the seventh season. 
I think that I read this on the net somewhere. 
IMHO it would kill the show.
Please send to me as well as posting to the net.
For as much as I would like to read news all day, I should study .
Thanks all in advance.
JON
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From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Canon and Non-Canon
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:50:30 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu

In article <N4coXB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma) writes:
>
>> >Gene Roddenberry decided.  His list includes all episodes of TOS and TNG, 
>> >all movies except the Final Frontier, and the TNG Tech Manual.
>> 
>> Actually, I beleive he never 'accepted' II-IV as Canon.
>
>What leads you to believe that?

I vaguely recall a statement during one of the '91 Canon Wars reputedly
from someone at P'mont (R'nold?) stating that 2 through (4+1) were not
considered Canon by the Bird.

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  kogoma@triton.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST Doctor Pun
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:03:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A thought I had about the new DS9 Doctor.

OK, he is named DR. Bashir

Thus if you took the primary Doctors from DS9, TNG, and TOS,
you would have

Bashir and Crusher Bones

or

Bash her and Crush her bones.

Violent, huh?
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From: cde@kepler.unh.edu (Charles D Elfe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN:Man Alone Stardate 46384.0
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:31:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu



Greetings fellow Trek enthusiasts!

Speaking of Star Dates, there appears to be another impossible job for the
continuity engineers on the prodution staff: it will be interesting to see
how they keep track of what-before-what in TNG and DS9, particularly when
the two worlds meet.  :)

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cs grad student             |
univ new hampshire          |                        -- Werner oder Wat?
From: c92aja@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Asim Javed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon Language
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:10:51 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: c92aja@msc8.comlab

Someone asked about a Klingon dictionary ...

There is a Klingon/English Dictionary written by Mark Okrand.
I believe he was responsible for all the Klingonese in the Movies,
plus TNG.  I bought mine in Canada, so I'm not sure if it's available
worldwide.

I *think* the publisher is 'Pocket Books', but don't quote me.
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Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 20:17:20 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1j03v1INNpmh@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John
Seaver) says:
>
<Stuff Deleted>

>into StarFleet - a 200 year old Lt. who can't use the transporter?  Simple -
>it's 200 years old and acknowledgedly brilliant (WARNING:  ASSUMPTION!!).  It's
>the same reason she calls Cisko by first name.  In cases like that, rules can
>get bent.  If Dax met Cisko before she entered starfleet - who knows, that may
>have been the host body's decision rather than the slug's - there might be a
>slight relaxing of the rules.  And we don't know Cisko didn't remind her
>offscreen that he was in command.
>

Here's a great answer here.  Jandzia and Curzon has different personalities
that are passed on to Dax, the symbiont.  Jandzia was already in Starfleet when
she was chosen to be the new host for Dax from Curzon, who was already a
wizened old man, er, Trill host.  That as far as I can safely go until the
episode "Dax" may explain more about her.  btw, Cisko s/b Sisko...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Q
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:29:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.210734.8818@ctp.com> dmend@ctp.com (Daniel J. Mendez) writes:
>I just saw a repeat of the TNG show in which Q is after the girl who
>turns out to be also Q, and I am utterly disgusted. Is it only me, or do
>other people feel that the presence of Q detracts from the show overall?
>
>I mean, this is series in which "science" plays a very important role and 
>an omnipotent being with a purported sense of humor creates just too many 
>inconsistencies: Why would he even bother to appear at an officers' meeting 
>and tell them about his plan? Why would he ask their permission to meet 
>with her at all? 
>
>It just doesn't make sense, and if it was (as some people doubtlessly think) 
an example of his "dark sense of humor", maybe they should move Q over to 
>"The Simpsons".
>
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I'm surprised at your lack of imagination.  I happen to like the Q episodes a
lot.  As far as him being nearly omnipotent, I don't see that as a violation
of the shows scientific theme at all.  Rather, the presence of such a being
indicates that there are many things that our sciences haven't encountered,
or are able to explain.

About Q asking their permission- I don't see that as abnormal at all.  The
girl (I believe her name was Amanda) had lived as a human all her life.
Had Q simply barged in an told her what she was and the things she was 
capable of, something tells me that she wouldn't take it very well.  
Besides, I get the feeling that Q wasn't really asking for their permission,
rather their help.  In any case, I'm sure that even Q would realize that
an introduction from the captain would make it much more likely that 
Amanda would trust him.

By the way, I happen to like Q's dark sense of humor (especially his line
about how he comes to the E just to listen to "Jean Luc's wonderful speeches."
Don't get me wrong, I think Patrick Stewart does an incredible, uncomparable
job of portraying the Picard character, but its nice to see something like
this thrown in once in a while.

Flame if you will.

Sanjai Rao.

"I would like to think that there are always, possibilities."
Spock, STII:TWOK
From: varhus@softshoe.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Re
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:21:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <DsJuXB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen) writes:
->I think this has been said before, but just glancing at the subject list, 
->the problem seems to be worsening.  There is very little point in 
->prefacing every single subject with "Re:."  I take that back.  There is 
->absolutely NO point in doing it and it has a tendency of becoming rather 
->annoying.  The practice no doubt started when people wanted to show that 
->they were responding to something as opposed to starting a new thread or 
->just bringing up a new topic, so they typed Re: (Regarding:).  When 
->upwards of 80% of the posts use it, though, it becomes meaningless.

Actually, my news reader automatically puts a "Re:" in front of the article
subject when I write a follow-up to a post.  There isn't any way you're
going to get rid of the "Re:"'s so don't complain about it.  Just put "Re:"
in your KILL file and you won't be bothered by them any more.

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From: marshal@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN article
Summary: Article on DSN
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:32:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1k14n6INNnce
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

If anyone interested there is a new article on DSN in the newest
issue of OMNI magazine.  It has some interesting stuff on
the design of the station, wormholes and the staff in general.
Informative to a certin degree.