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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LOSH - Thrust
Keywords: Timber Wolf Mini Series
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <hoahosth.37.715268816@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH) writes:
>So, any ideas on who this Joker's father is supposed to be? Personally, I'd 
>bet on Lobo. Same black marking around (one) eye. Same swear words and 
>general attitude. Speaks Interlac. Any takers?

Well, he could speak Interlac thanks to his Durlan mother (c.f.: LEGION '89
where the being who would become R.J. Brande spoke Interlac).  I've been
trying to think of an individual who can duplicate or absorb the powers of
others (which Lobo doesn't have).  Haven't had any luck yet.

-- 
Michael Rawdon	    rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  [Note new address!]
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
Subject: Re: Ray of hope-spoilers? (was Re: Marvel Bashing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:32:16 GMT

cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>God bless the New Warriors, the best comic Marvel presently puts out.
>Intelligently written by Niceza and the new artist (whose name escapes
>me) is good, but not quite as good as Bagley.

>The thing about New Warriors is that this proves what good writing can
>do. With the exception of Night Thrasher (his new armour is awful,
>though) these were all cast off character. Nobodies who couldn't cut it
>on their own or doomed to make cameos in Defalco written books.

It was nice to see them back in their own storyline as of the latest
issue.  Although the Indignity war crossover was handled better than in
the other series (minimal time to fighting evil twins, and maximum to
looking at the consequences.  The last panels of the book where Rage and
speedball have fought their twins is nice, as they look at what they
had to do.

I also like the reactions of parents to finding out what their kids
are.  It is a real and honest approach to the situation.

-Vincent

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Subject: Comic Bags
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:34:53 GMT

I am currently shopping aroung to purchase approximately 10,000 comic
bags, most likely polypropylene.

From the CBG I have found a number of suppliers with reasonable prices
Moondog's, Friendly Franks, Bags Unlimited, Tabics Inc

Has anyone dealt with any of these companies?
Does anyone have any recommendations as to a good supplier?

By the way if anyone knows of a good Canadian supplier I would
prefer that so I won't have to mess around with customs.

Please e-mail me any info you have.  

Thanks in advance, 
Phil

--
......................................................................
Philip Rutledge (rutled@bnr.ca)                  Bell-Northern Research
"Stupid, Stupid rat creatures!!" -- Fone Bone                   Bone #2
......................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Paging Mr. Blackwell (was Re: New Titans #91)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:44:45 GMT

In article <sward.714779286@uclagsm> sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward) writes:
>"I think it's time to drop Titans."  God, what an awful outfit.

Which leads me to suggest that perhaps some enterprising r.a.c.er with
fashion sense and cutting sarcasm/wit could do a Mr. Blackwell like
Ten Worst Dressed Supercritters list with reasons. Not my style to do it;
I'd be more likely to do something like:
10. Black Canary's second outfit: really, someone who's a judo exper and
throws people over her shoulders on a regular basis should know better 
than to wear stiff semi-pointy things above those shoulders.
9. Nightwing's first outfit: And that collar. Just the thing to cut down
one's peripheral vision...
In other words, I'd been way too inclined to judge costumes on practical
criteria rather than fashion and esthetics....although that Karate Kid
costume with the giant hand on it as an emblem was right up there...
[Yes, I know about the World's Worst Comics Awards category]

"He avenges the innocent, upholds justice and makes a unique fashion
statement." --Detroit Free Press Fashion columnist on Batman
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (was Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:37:41 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.hal.com
In-reply-to: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)

In article <1992Sep1.111926.18861@cs.nott.ac.uk>, rji@nyquist (Rob Ingram) writes:
>|> 
>|> And I think she looks more like Michelle Shocked than a Madonna-wannabe,
>|> personally.  Hey, call me crazy. . .
>|> -- 
>
>Hold on, Death is a goth, not a punk and definitely not a Madonna or
>Michelle Shocked wannabe.

I never said she was a Michelle Shocked wannabe, I said merely that she
looked like Michelle Shocked.  Dresses like her, too.

I wonder if Gaiman is a Michelle Shocked fan.
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
 HaL Computer Systems | flinging live poisonous insects at the other attendees.
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:35:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <rdippold.714687724@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes:
>>   I'm far more concerned about Dave Sim's welfare for the next 14 years.
>Nah, if Sim kicks the bucket, Malibu can finish it.  They can let
>Leifield plot, and turn Roach into the main character.

Look, don't even -joke- about that kind of thing, alright? Talk like that 
belongs in alt.tasteless......

<shudders at thought> 
-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Savoir Faire
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:13:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.001628.15976@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>
>Who are the coolest characters in comics?  I mean the characters
>who when done right always seem to be in control or to have the
>upper hand?  You know, the one's that make you think, "I wonder
>what he has up his sleeve/"
>For me here are a few:
>

The one that comes instantly to mind is Judge Dredd.
And (usually) Morpheus and the other Endless (except Delerium...). In fact
 almost all of the 
supernatural brigade, cos you always feel they have yet more tricks up their
sleeve that noone else knows about.

Mike
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (was Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be...)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.hal.com
In-reply-to: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)

In article <1992Aug30.034607.13930@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl (Conty III) writes:
>In article <IebsLxq00awN80zFoO@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jason Lee Smith <js06+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 	Also, I think Death is one of the stupidest characters ever created.
>
>I think I see where you're coming from.  The last thing you'd expect to meet
>after you die is a young girl who dresses like a punk Madonna-wannabe and
>has a thing for floppy hats.  Personally, I find Gaiman's interpretation of
>Death to be at the very least a refreshing change from the usual parade of
>scythe-wielding skull-headed robe-wearers.

I would go even farther than Enrique, and say that this is one of the
best reinterpretations of the personification of death that I have ever
seen.  Why *not* a woman in black jeans and tank top with an ankh (an
ankh!  Death wears a symbol of life; I love it) hanging around her neck?
Who has a sense of humor, pet goldfish, and never keeps her house clean?

And I think she looks more like Michelle Shocked than a Madonna-wannabe,
personally.  Hey, call me crazy. . .
-- 
    Doug Moran        | Heck, picture if aliens ever landed in California.
   dougm@hal.com      | Instead of running away or even inquiring about the
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | secrets of the universe, *Californians* would probably
 HaL Computer Systems | ask the BEMs if they had any new cuisine!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Is there a cure for the retcon blues?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:04:28 GMT

Last night I was reading printoffs of Omnicom #33, and remembered something 
very important from Animal Man's "Crisis II" storyline, about destruction of 
favorite stories.  The quote went something like "As long as people still have 
the old comics, and still read them, you [talking to Earth-various characters 
like Power Ring and Sunshine Superman] still exist."  Sure, maybe our favorite 
story in LSH has been retconned away by the Bierbaums...but you can still read 
it.  They didn't come to your house and say, "Sorry, that comic is no longer 
official...you'll have to hand it over so we can dispose of it."  And with the 
oft-remarked-on-racm trend of Silver Age comics flooding the quarterboxes, a 
whole new audience can be introduced to these grand old tales.
     Dave Van Domelen, "Power attracts members of the opposite sex. Absolute 
power leaves you no time to enjoy them." - Acton Lord of the LNV
From: jcoxhead@acorn.co.uk (Jonathan Coxhead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics as Wall Art (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:55:56 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


   I used two copies of the Bullseye vs Elektra issue of Daredevil by Frank
Miller to decorate my room in my second year at college.

   I bought two extra copies, cut them all up and assembled them into a
rectangular array. The effect of being able to see the whole story at once
was curious: you noticed all kinds of things about Miller's layout technique
that you might not have otherwise. I've never been tempted to do it with
work by anyone else, but his style - large chunky figures, bold page layout
and dynamic figures - fit the presentation very well. 

   Am I the only one to have tried this?

   /|
  (_|/
   /|
  (_/
From: quenelle@netcom.com (Chris Quenelle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MOSAIC-sitting in the nose bleed seats
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:35:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>        The second problem is that Gerard Jones is a dip.  Now don't get me
>wrong, he has some great ideas, but he just doesn't seem to be able to execute
>them very well.

Well, I won't really argue against you on the basis of Mosaic, but
Gerard Jones is becoming one of the names I look for.
I thought the writing on 'Idol' and on the new 'Martion Manhunter'
series to be VERY good.  If you haven't checked these two titles out, do so.

I think I buy all the DC mature titles.  If one of the superhero books
becomes .5 of a mature-title, then I'll buy it.  ;-)

As far as the superhero/interior-landscape meld.  I think Mosaic works
fine in this department.  It's not an abstract flowery-prose style book, 
(like Alan Moore can be sometimes) and it's much more than just a set of 
superhero stories.

I don't want to give the impression that it's the best thing in the world.
Just that it works well as the kind of book it is.


-- 
@---@  
\. ./  Chris Quenelle
 \ /   (510) 373-8023
==o==  quenelle@netcom.com
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Shooter LEFT?!? A Question...
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:39:24 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BtoMwE.CIq@ais.org>, saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.190040.3915@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.124117.2045@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>>HANG ON!!!!!!
>>
>>>  Shooter LEFT?!?  I knew I hadn't seen his name on anything, but
>>>WHAT HAPPENED?  Mna, have I ever been out of it!
>>
>>You sure have.  He left about five years ago.  Tom DeFalco is the
>>Editor-in-chief at Marvel now, and screwing up the place, in my
>>opinion.  Last I heard about Shooter was that he was going to work for
>>some company named Valiant.  They make Super Mario Brothers comic
>>books.
>  
> Yeah, and #1 is already 10 bucks!  Boy, you slap that Shooter name
> on something and BANG!  They were supposed to do some of those
> lame 60's Gold Key characters like Magnus Robot Fighter and Turok
> and Dr. Solar in the near future.  Like anybody cares.

        Not to be insulting here, but have the three of you been in a time
warp?  Shooter went to Valiant over a year ago and has subsequently been fired
from there.  Magnus and all other titles done under his supervision became very
popular with readers (not with me, I never bothered to checked them out), so I 
guess they weren't THAT lame.

                                        S H Y L O C K
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: bmesmer@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<Btpt9H.ACH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Aug30.185949.18101@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Aug31.151606.11028@news.nd.edu>
	<1992Aug31.213202.26448@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> <BtwqK5.Au2@world.std.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:25:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BtwqK5.Au2@world.std.com> Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
   Has it been stated specifically that Archer was not allowed to be restored?
   I don't recall it being mentioned.  We haven't *seen* him restored, but that
   doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't done.  Unless I'm spacing on a mention
   somewhere in Book 4...

You are. I believe it was mentioned in the Warhol/Gargunza issue, but I may be
wrong.  At any rate, I always thought it was simply because he didn't like
what Dennis Archer represented: the old order, which fears change and tries
to kill anything that might threaten its position of power.  Besides, would
Archer like living in a world where the "monsters" had won?
--

Carl Muckenhoupt        bmesmer@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
		    HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SOMETHING?
From: jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Lyn Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fist of Konshu
Keywords: Moon Knight not the same...
Date: 2 Sep 1992 21:57:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug31.200602.169472@zeus.calpoly.edu>, mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark) writes:
|> Hey what is up with Moon Knight these days?!
|> is it a good book?

One-word answer:  "No."

Why?  Well, it started a few months ago, mostly with this "Infinity
War Crossover" crap, and went downhill.  Stupid story (and more than
that, overdone), and I'm sorry if I offend anybody, but the art
(unless they've changed it within an issue or so; don't remember
the guy's name) *sucks.*  *I* can personally draw better stick
figures than this guy.  *Truly* lame.

Just a word to the wise.

Later.
-- 
Jeremy L. Hart				jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu
"They say they built this fort 2000 years ago
 A man named James carved his name in 1983
 Congratulations, James
 Now you're a dick for eternity
 I don't know what your words for it are
 I just know what it is..."
	- "What It Is," by Too Much Joy, from _Mutiny_
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Team Titans #1's (Was: Re: Valiant sucks)
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: queernet.1992Aug29.151511.20814
Organization: QueerNet

In article <BtqIH3.3nz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>If they had published it as the first few issues, as someone else suggested,
>then the covers would be different, the main story would be different, and
>there would actually be a POINT besides making money.

The main story *was* different.  And each #1 cost the same as if there had
been no common story at all.  What's your problem?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:1846 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:468
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: XMen and Batman cartoon info
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:00:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug28.174207.28490@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

>[Stuff about the shows deleted]

>    I just don't understand what you are talking about here. Why does
>something that happen in a cartoon have any relevance on the Marvel
>Univers that exists in the comic books? The two are totally separate.
>The cartoon is based on characters from the comic books, and I'm sure
>will have no bearing on the stories/continuity.Universe that the comic
>books are concerned with.

Oh, and I suppose you thought that Firestar(tm) would never be a major
character in the Marvel Universe when she was introduced in Spiderman
and his Amazing Friends(tm). I-)

Where is she now??!! I-)

Er, maybe you *do* have a point...
					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:16:52 GMT

Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

>2) Fans of the Titans will buy one of each #1, because they like the Titans
>   and/or are completists.

>wins?  Those who buy because they either like the series, or took a look at
>the books and decided to try them.  As has been stated, pagecount analysis
>shows that you get the same bang for your buck as if they'd released them
>a month at a time, instead of all at once.  The "bonus" story is just that,
>and the fact that it's Maguire art can only help.  

I disagree. You may have an infinite amount of money to spend, but I feel
the pinch when they ask me to cough up 5 times the cost of a #1 issue.
I much prefer it spread over 5 months. 

Axly
 

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:1815 rec.arts.comics.strips:2526
From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Nina Paley Mondo Update
Keywords: Joyride
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:39:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtrLI4.C1E
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

>> It may not be available anymore, but at one time _Joyride_ was
>> collected into book form. . . . Call information for Radio
>> Ranch Comics, I believe, in Champaign, IL and see if they have
>> any still on hand.

>=o= Wow, it would be cool if there were still some available.
>Maybe I can get Nina to pick up a copy for me (she's in Urbana
>this week).  Of course, I've already read the strips and had
>Nina explain all the Champaign/Urbana in-jokes to me. :-)

>=o= A few lucky folks in Champaign and Urbana have the *real*
>collector's item:  A _History_of_the_North_Pole_ mini-comic.
>This is Nina's first published work.  Put 'em in mylar bags,
>folks, they'll be worth millions someday!

You mean the cute little thing I got in my Sophmore history class
from High School is an intrigue type item  *heheheh* Ill have to dig it
out then :)

>    <_Jym_>
-- 
  "If the best things in life are free, then my current price is
   $37k with a 10% downpayment."
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:25:19 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

>One of the more interesting. . .and under-used. . .aspects of this whole 
>series is the dual-body question.  Namely, are Mickey and Miracleman the 
>same person. 

The way I see this, they have the same *mind*, but different bodies. It is
certainly true that MM/Mike Moran as well as Good Johnny/Bad Johnny act
differently, but I think that can be attributed to different bodies having
different brain chemistries.

I suspose the question of identity is not likely to be solved in a comic
book, but I would say that since Mike/MM share the same memories and 
experiences that they are the same person...just that Mike didn't have the
proper brain chemistry to deal with his situation, and that MM does. 

> i can't understand why Moore not only largely ignored this, 
>he removed it as a consideration.  The fact that the technology allows
>the use of an entire "wardrobe" increases the interesting possibilities,
>but Gaiman hasn't followed up.  Ah well.  We can only ponder, and hope. . .

I agree. To bad Gargunza isn't sharing any of his secrets! 

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Crisis on Infinite Earth!!
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 04:53:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.141513.21683@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
>2) Someone (Independent Comics Group?) published "The Official
>Crisis on Infinite Index" and "...Crisis Crossover Index" several
>years back, and should be available for about $2 each.
>
>The indeces are rather well written and quite complete, sort of like
>a "Cliff's Notes" for comics...

Yep.  ICG was, actually, Eclipse with some outside funding.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster