From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Conference, Sino-Tibetan Relations: Prospects for the future
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:02:37 GMT
Organization: New York University

richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:

>>China "annexed" Tibet in Yuan Dynasty. It is contraversial as to the location
>>of the border of the "original country" called Xizang. What was the size
>>of the "original country" called Canada?
> 
>Then why did China invade Tibet in the 1950s?  In 1991 the Chinese 
>government proudly celebrated the "Peaceful Liberation of Tibet."
>Invitations were sent by China's embassies to prominent politicians 
>and government officials, but few accepted.  In fact one wrote to the 
>embassy in Ottawa to inquire, "If China is celebrating the Peaceful 
>Liberation of Tibet, then what, may I ask, did China liberate Tibet 
>from?"  
> 

Yes, you may. Where did CCP "liberate" the rest of China from?

>>China has just announced plans to economically open up Tibet so that Tibetan
>>residents (ethnic Zang, Han, Hui's, etc) can enjoy the same opportunity to
>>prosperity as people of the rest of the country.
> 
>Are you so sure that Tibetans will benefit?  Chen Kuiyuan, Communist 
>Party leader for Xizang since March 1992, has pushed out the few token 
>Tibetans in the adminstration.  Gone are people (all communists) like   
>Raidi, Baba Phuntsog Wangyal, Loga, and Gyaltsen Norbu.  
> 

Nobody was so sure that economic reform would benefit anybody 13 yrs ago when
it was first put forward.

>>>Why did 100,000 Tibetans leave in 1959?  Why are 100's more leaving 
>>>every month?  Why was a Tibetan shot in Nepal trying to escape Tibet
>>>as was reported in China News Digest last month?
>>> 
>>
>>These figures need to be verified as your descriptions have been anything but
>>accurate. 
> 
>There are over 100,000 Tibetans in India and Nepal alone (there are   
>more in dozens of other countries), all either left Tibet or were 
>born after the 1959.  Shall I give you the latest population figures for 
>the various communities in south India, Assam, Dharamsala, Gangtok, and 
>many other locales?  But why believe me -- you are free to travel to 
>India to see for yourself. 
> 
>If I there is something about which I am not accurate, then provide 
>refuting evidence.  
> 

Do you see the contradiction between your two sets of figures? I don't see
how your 2nd set supports your 1st.

>>Your term "Tibetans" has been too general. 
> 
>How so?  

Why did you delete your original?

> 
>In article 1449 <liqiang.717806030@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
>writes:
>>This guy thinks ethnic problems (which in practice no country has ever solved,
>>though I agree to some extent that America does a better job) are as simple
>>as "Let them go autonomous!" or "Let them 'vote'!". After you have seen
>>what has happened to Bosnia, Crotia, Serbia, Georgia, Armenia, Assabajian(?),
>>etc., you still think these "peaceful" processes are peaceful? Respecting
>>people's choices doesn't mean creating ethnically pure zones or "countries".
>>Racial separation was sth S. Africa used to do and abandoned last yr?
> 
>Tibetans do not want Chinese to keep the peace for them.  The Chinese 
>government could show some maturity and let Tibetans decide for 
>themselves, just as the Canadian government is letting Quebeckers and 
>all Canadians decide for themselves in the coming referendum on 
>October 26th. 
> 
> 

Tibetans are Chinese(Hans, Zangs, Huis). Does the term "Canadians" only refer
to native Indians?

>-- 
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- Li, Qiang