HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Sunburn on pink skinned equines
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:31:21 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu's message of 4 Nov 92 23:17:01 GMT

In article <1d9lldINN49t@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:

   In article <1992Nov3.110040.18698@pbs.org>,
   mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:

   >How do others handle horses with pink skin?  There probably
   >aren't too many that are pink all over like Quest, but how
   >about bald faces or Paints with large sections of pink?

   At horse shows, when other people were putting baby oil on their
   horses' noses and eyes, I was always putting SUNTAN oil on mine!
   Although I don't know how to deal with one that has allergies to the
   chemicals in sunblocks.

   =gwyn

My donkey, Shadow, is a mostly-white pinto, with pink skin underlying
the white areas.  Her breeder has problems with sunburn on her pinto
jack (Shadow's father), as do owners of two of Shadow's pinto
half-brothers; I have far fewer problems with Shadow sunburning (very
rarely, and then only on her face).  The breeder and the other two
owners clip and bathe their donkeys for shows, then have to blanket
them and put sunscreen on their faces several times a day, EVERY DAY,
to keep them from sunburning.  I leave Shadow "natural"---wearing the
length of hair that Mother Nature provided her with---and I leave in
place most of the considerable dirt that she chooses to roll into her
hair.  (If we're going to a show, she gets a good brushing and
vacuuming the morning of the show, is kept in the shade as much as
possible, then is permitted to roll in the dust as soon as her part in
the show is over.)  My theory is that her longer white hair reflects
more of the sunburn-causing UV, and the fine layer of dust next to her
skin acts like skin pigment, to shield her skin from the rest of the
UV.  Also, since the mesh fly masks came out, she has been wearing one
of them in the summer, which has put an end to the sunburn on her
face, as well as eliminating fly-caused problems around her eyes.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: "Rain Scald"?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:27:19 GMT

Yesterday when I went out to check on my colt, I found what looked to
me like a spot on his back where he had rolled in wet manure and had
dried hard on his hair.  My trainer happened to be there and said she
thought it looked like "rain scald" (I think that's what she said) and
that I should not try to curry the dirt off as it will probably take
the hair and be painful. She suggested soaking with water and gradually
trying to careful remove the tried "stuff" possibly over a few days
while keeping it lubicated with nitrosfurazone (sp). Then possibly
shaving the area and using the NF until healed and hair grows back.
Since he is in pasture and we are about to get rain, I hate to leave
himwith a soaking wet back everyday, but...

He was very antsy when we went to inspect it and it took a few minutes
for him to accept the wet spong so now I'm pretty sure it's not just
dried manure.

Can anyone further enlighten me on this? He did not have this after
the last time I groomed him and it has not rained since.

Thanks for any advise.

Diane
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE:for sale
From: chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 16:28:59 PST
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac

What exacly does "TB" stand for?

chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Chelsea Graham)
                  The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!
From: robertsh@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Harriet Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:10:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: csgrad.9211101256.AA15050
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

I have a 35 year old morgan-quarterhorse who is also a hard keeper.  My
vet and I both agree that the feed that he does best on is an alphalpha
pellet food which in Virginia is sold by Southern States under the name
Bonanza.  He is also out in the pasture all day.  He sometimes does eat
grass, but I don't think he gets much out of it.  I am essentially full
feeding him on the alphalpha pellet mixture and he does fine.
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:46:35 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov11.023109.29730@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>, julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Julieann Fitchwell) writes:
> 
> I'm new to the network and decided that I'd like some ?opinions?help?
> with my situation. I'm looking for a realistic approach to progressing from 
> my current standing as a horseless rider (in suburban Columbus,OH) to a horse 
> owner and probably a competitor.
> 
> I'm just not sure where to start. Obviously, money is the first concern. But,
> I've realized that I'm not sure what it is I should be buying; i.e.,
> some land, board at a local barn, a little farm, etc..
> I'd like some input from someone who's been thru this, most of the people I
> ride with have either had horses since they were kids or someone else (like
> Mom and Dad) is funding their horse habit so the situation isn't quite the
> same.
> 
> Here's a little history:
> I'm 25 years old, work full, full time, married (significant for decisions), 
> own (mortgage) a home, have 2 dogs, 2 rabbits,
> have a truck (made sure it's big enough to pull a 2 horse), a car payment ...
> the usual.
> I've been taking riding lessons for about 2 1/2 years with the intent of 
> eventually owning a horse and competing in western pleasure and more.
> I've competed locally (about 10 shows) on different horses that I've leased.
> and have taken a few 2nds and 3rds. Placed at all, no 1sts.
> I work part-time helping to care for the horses and barn where I ride. (40
> horses, 2 barns) 
> Soon, I should be able to squeeze enough out of my pay to handle board (approx.
> $250/mo around here.) I can't decide whether the money should go toward boarding
> a horse or toward saving/payments on our own place for a horse. I know that
> eventually I'll want my own barn, but right now it's either a horse or a barn.
> One without the other isn't great but you've got to start somewhere. (I think.)
> 
> Please reply via email.
> Thanks!
> JulieAnn
> One Horseless Rider    
> 
> PS- I hope this isn't inappropriate for posting, like I said, I'm new. Sorry
>      if I offend.
> 
> PPS - "I used to have money. Now I have horses." - saw it on a shirt at the
>       QH Congress.

JulieAnn, IMHO, I would suggest going for the land.  You can save LOTS of
money by keeping the horse at home.  Get the land and the horse will come.
I've been offered free horses from time to time, in fact, the only horse
I've paid for out of my last five horses (I still own four of them) was 
Tar, our old gelding.  And right now, I have Leigh Casey's
wonderful old gelding Star Signal here on a long term lease.  He's doing
fine, putting on weight, just got his teeth floated a week or two ago.
So there are plenty of wonderful horses out there available on lease or
even just plain free.  

So, use your money to buy a place in the country.  It's really the best
investment.

Sue
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Width of stall doors?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:58:05 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <11NOV199213470449@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu>, broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy) writes:
> From what I understand from the barn building companies I've contacted so far,
> four foot wide gates are pretty standard. I have small Arabs and ponies and
> wouldn't consider using a 3 foot gate. There is no way a grown person and a
> horse can go through a gate that narrow without the person getting stepped
> on. Contact the Wicks, Bonanza, Morton building people in your area to get
> some "ammunition" to throw at your builder. His barn-building experience is
> probably very limited.
> 
> I would also question putting the two stall doors next to each other if the
> horses can reach over them, because the horses may fight with each other if
> they don't get along.
> 
> Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
> Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
> Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
> Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.

I agree totally with Barb.  There also one thing I want to add.
Sounds like you need to get something through to your barn builder...
	'He who pays the bills, makes the rules!'
In other words, it's YOUR barn.   You are HIRING him to build it.  He should
build it your way, not his.

Sue
From: clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: White Spots from Injurys?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:41:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville


My cousin used to have a chestnut American Saddlebred mare named
Bumblebee.  The reason: this mare got into a bee's nest of some sort
when she was very young.  The hair over the bee stings came back
white - sort of like a leopard appaloosa in reverse.  Yes, the hair
over an injury can come back white, if the injury is bad enough,
and if the horse is predisposed to such.  My cousing had this mare
for several years, and the white spots didn't go away.

-Michelle
-Maggie (chestnut ASB, no spots)
-Cassie (her daughter *begin brag* who might just go to
shows next year in both English *and* Western,
because she is so smart *end brag*)
From: dlc@gasco.com (Darci L. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Endurance Helmet
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:01:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Nov6.000103.4669
Reply-To: dlc@gasco.com (Darci L. Chapman)
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR

Just real quick: I haven't seen this in person and I'm in no way affiliated
with SportTack, not even as a satisfied customer :-)

SportTack has an ad in the Oct and Nov issues of Endurance News that is
promoting a new SEI-approved helmet by Troxel that weighs only 12 oz. It
looks (from the small drawing) alot like an English hardhat with three
large oval holes in front and four more holes (in two rows,) along the top
and towards the back. It may have more ventilation in the back, I can't
tell from the drawing.

They can be reached at:

80 Bunce Meadow, Alamo, CA 94507
1-800-248-TACK or 1-510-838-9588 

(free catalog available for a bunch of other stuff that they apparenly carry).

They ship worldwide.

>>-Darci-> (and Dancer)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ 

Darci L. Chapman                                  X Window Systems Consultant
Northwest Natural Gas      Portland, Oregon                     dlc@gasco.com 

(I do not speak for the Gas Company, and they don't speak for me)
From: mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk (Marcus Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Are there any UK (university) users?
Summary: Where are UK users?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:38:58 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	Are there any users of this bulletin board from 
	Great Britain out there ? Especially those who are involved
	in university riding clubs ?


####################### Marcus Jones (mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk ##############
#	Brunel University Riding Club General Purpose Exec. Member	#
#		        Materials Technology & Management		#
#  Brunel University Riding Club, c/o Brunel University Students Union	#
#     Brunel University, Kingston Lane, Uxbridge, Middlesex. UB8 3TX.	#
#########################################################################
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 13:59:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Here's a money-saving tip a trainer of mine gave me:
After hard work-outs, instead of using pure ABSORBINE,
we mix about half a bottle of linament with a little
less than half of vinegar (bought in grocery store) and
fill the rest of the bottle with a bit of water. It saves
on the cost of linament and seems to work just as well.
The only drawback is that it doesn't smell very good but
I have gotten used to it and just make sure I don't use
right before going to a non-horsey place.
Sonja  :)
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:33:26 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Nov5.195505.25509@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau) writes:

>I'm wondering what people out there do to their horses legs
>after a workout.>
>(A related question - what do you folks put on legs when riding?)

I am wondering about this also.  I usually put on splint boots on the
front and sometimes bell boots for regular work (which for me
generally includes jumping), and when I go on the trail I'll put
splint boots all around to guard against scrapes on vegetation.  If
it's not too cold I'll hose down the legs and sometimes wash with
liniment after work.  But on show days, when poor Monty has been
working and standing all day, I'd like to do something extra.  I know
how to wrap polo wraps, but not standing bandages.

-Sarah Pallas


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: buckaroo@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Mikey Moran)
Subject: Re: Hoof Care Products
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.170646.18707@nb.rockwell.com> reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:
>
>In article <1dmn9vINN7up@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>> I'd like to start a new discussion about hoof care products.  Here in
>> Houston, our soil has lots of clay, which means that either the horses
>> are swimming in mud or that their feet are bone dry.  I've been using
>> Fiebing's Hoof Dressing, which is basically pine tar, but Monty's
>> owner claims that it is damaging his feet (they do look dry and awful, but I
>> don't know if it's the Fiebings). 
-balance of message deleted----

We've had great success with  "The Right Stuff" a spray on liquid.  We also use
their Farrier's Formula feed supplement.  If your farrier , vet, or local
tack store doesn't carry it, their address and number is
Life Data labs, Inc
P.O. Box 490
Cherokee, Alabama 35616-0490
205-370-7555

Best Regards,
Mikey
--------------------------------------------------------------
Michael "Mikey" Moran           818-375-5070 
RDI Computer Corp.              818-375-5001 (fax) 
7949 Woodley Ave.               buckaroo@quake.sylmar.ca.us 
Van Nuys, Ca. 91406     
--------------------------------------------------------------
From: quanbeck_hm@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arabian Information Wanted
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:01:07 EST
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

I am gathering information about Arabians for a friend of mine who thinks he
would like to buy several show horses with the intention of reselling them to
make money.

I need: the cost of a well bred Arab. from 1-3 yrs. old either green broke or 
        not trained at all.
        the average cost per class at an Arab. show.  I'm in North Carolina
	so the show should be somewhere within a days drive of there.
	the price you could expect to get for a finished horse that is at least
	placing in breed approved shows.
	any other information about Arabs that might prove useful in calculating
	the net profit he can expect to make.

Thanks for the information and I update those who are interested in his final
decision and findings.

You may e-mail me and I will pass the information on to him.
Quanbeck_HM@lrc.edu
From: equus@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Just wondering!
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:23:25 GMT
Reply-To: EQUUS@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

Hi.

My girlfriend just got a computer account at FIU (Florida International
University), and they don't have the news server there, but she was
wondering if anyone out there is into Breyer models.  If you are into
Breyer models, and want a "pen"-pal, her address is:

59318627s@servax.fiu.edu

Please feel free to send to her.  Her name is Tracy.

Thanks!!!

Sean
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:11:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1du505INNfs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes:
>
>Since you are somewhat new to the horse world, I
>would almost say you are better off boarding for a
>few years.


Well, originally I didn't think I had anything to say about this
subject, but Sonja reminds me of something.  Why not try to find a
situation in a small barn, where you could have a major role in
running the place and learning by doing?  I had a horse for only a
short time, even though I've been riding for about 33 years (!).  But
I boarded at a coop, and we all split the work and covered for the
"manager" when she went away.  I learned SOOO much compared to what I
ever learned hanging around big hunter/jumper stables, I feel like I
would have a shot at knowing how to manage my own place now.

Hope that's useful,
Sarah Pallas
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Question...
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:16:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Megan Breninger writes:
>I have a question for which I need all of net's wisdom...

Not an answer to your question, I'm afraid, but a very related anecdote..

>Hank is very smart, and after our first class at a show, he's
>got the "pattern" down...so, every class there after, he knows
>that after the walk is the trot, the trot the canter, the canter
>the walk, the walk then reverse, etc...
>
>He's ahead of me...as soon as he hears the mike click, he begins
>to do the next thing in the "pattern".  
[ stuff deleted ]
>

We had a mare that was a school horse that was very similar, except that
she responded perfectly to voice commands, so when the instructor said 
"canter," she would canter, regardless of what sort of signals the
student gave.  While this didn't do very much for teaching the students
how to ask for a canter effectively, it did allow them to learn to sit
the canter without all the awkwardness of the poor upward transition.

The problem, as you may have already guessed, came when there was more than 
one lesson going on in the ring (not uncommon at our barn, as we have only
one big ring and one small one).  When an instructor said "canter," she 
cantered, without taking note of whether it was her rider's instructor or
not.  For a while, we had instructors asking students for "the C word".

>I have 2 choices here...either do a labotamy :*), or put cotton in
>his ears.  
[stuff deleted]
>
>So, has anyone heard of putting cotton in horses ears?  What type of
>cotton do I use?  I know people do it when they clip ears, but when
>they show?  

I have heard of putting cotton in their ears, especially for horses who do
not like noise (which can be a big problem at shows).  I was at the National
this weekend, and we noticed that some of the jumpers had "ear covers" on.
It was explained to me that these were for horses who didn't like cotton
shoved in their ears (not uncommon, supposedly).  They fit over the ears
and provided a sound-proofing.

Dave
-- 
Disclaimer: These opinions are not those of Informix Software, Inc.
**************************************************************************
"I look back with some satisfaction on what an idiot I was when I was 25,
 but when I do that, I'm assuming I'm no longer an idiot." - Andy Rooney
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: White Spots from Injurys?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:29:40 GMT

Hi All,

I have a question that I've wondered about for a long time so I thought
I'd check the "net wisdom" on this one.

Why, at least on a dark horse, after an injury does the hair sometimes
grow back white and sometimes grow back the normal color?

I've heard a couple explanations but rather vague. One I heard was it has
to do with how deep the wound was.

Any ideas greatfully read.

Thanks,
Diane
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: gifs: Thanks Graham, and a suggestion
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:57:55 GMT

First of all, I'd like to thank Graham Jenkins publicly for providing
an ftp area for our horse pictures.  I think everyone would agree
that it is a great idea, allowing rec.equestrian readers actually to
see some of the horses that are mentioned in posts -- as well as
boosting the number of horse GIFs available on the Internet by
several hundred percent!

It would be nice to get a bit more information about the subjects in
the photos. Not much can be deduced from file names alone! Obviously,
Graham gives some info with his announcement posts, including the names
of the contributors. If anyone uploading pictures to commsun would
like to post descriptions to rec.equestrian too, I for one would be
very interested to read them.

Regards,
  Francis
--
Francis Burton      Physiology, Glasgow University, Glasgow G12 8QQ, Scotland.
041 339 8855 x8085  | JANET: F.L.Burton@glasgow.ac.uk  !net: via mcsun & uknet
"A horse! A horse!" | INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk BITNET: via UKACRL
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:38:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu's message of 6 Nov 92 19:06:38 GMT

In article <1defnuINNqcu@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:

   ...

   =gwyn

   ps: at the racing stable in GB, they never wrapped except actual
   injuries (bows, etc.). This includes shipping -- these
   million-dollar creatures hauled completely bare!!! My reaction to
   this was an unqualified:

      |||||
       0 0
	|
      ( O )

     But I never saw one horse come out of the van with a scratch.

I'm curious---in GB, how do those horses stand (that is, which way do
they face, and how are they tied) in the vans?  One of the advantages
that I have heard claimed for rear-face transport is that most of the
"horse clothes" used in front-face transport simply aren't needed for
rear-face.  Apparently, the animals can stand much more steadily when
faced to the rear, especially when tied so that they can fully raise
and lower their heads for balance, hence are far less likely to
"dance" around, knock themselves, step on themselves (or their
neighbors), etc.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!