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From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: First post!  First Post!
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:13:30 GMT
Organization: Applications Software II, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: fdm0886@zeus.tamu.edu's message of 26 Sep 92 04:36:00 GMT

In article <25SEP199223360675@zeus.tamu.edu> fdm0886@zeus.tamu.edu (Faraaz) writes:
   In article <1992Sep25.231520.1011@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...
   >Thank you, thank you.  You may all be seated now, in some lovely Frank Lloyd  
   >Wright furniture (ouch!)

   Ouch nothing!  Try a De Stijl chair for size!

Is this group for architecture or interior design?

Voting for the former, anyone here familiar with the geodesic dome homes
by Natural Spaces?  Anyone know of any companies making pre-fab dome
home?

Especially in these days of hurricane devestations, I'm also wondering
if anyone knows of any dome-manufacturing bent on re-housing Florida
with more wind-resistant designs.


--
Gary Lawrence Murphy/murphyg@software.mitel.com/mitel!software!murphyg@uunet.ca
 Mitel Corp - 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada - (613) 592-2122 x3709
           It is never too late to have a happy adulthood
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From: javier@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (javier navarro)
Subject: test
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17892]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:07:21 GMT

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From: bobk@ESD.3Com.COM (Bob Konigsberg)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Craftsman Interiors
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:21:16 GMT

Oops, My first post was a reply instead.  Sorry Dan.

Although I've been a subscriber to Old House Journal for some years,
I haven't seen much on the subject of Craftsman Interior woodworking.

Can anyone point me to articles on interior woodwork, pictures, designs,
etc.

Thanks much,

BobK
From: jwd@sunol.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren )
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Cognitive Dissonance (was Re: sleepless weeks)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:33:05 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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jjgwynn@athena.mit.edu (Joel J Gwynn) writes of rage and conitive dissonance:
"This gets me steamed for the following reasons.

1)      My understanding of the net is that it provides a (semi) public forum fo
r
ideas and questions.  Therefore, positions are subject to public scrutiny, as in
any academic field.  If, in my public post, I "raised some valid points" they
should be addressed in similar fashion.

2)      WHAT in my post allows you to assume ANYTHING about my background, or my
interests.  For the record, I am a candidate for the degrgee of Master of
Architecture, MIT in the Spring of 1993.

3)      What you "believe deeply" is your business.  What I'm interested in is
arguments/positions that may be discussed/sustained/discarded on the basis of
rational enquiry/substantiation.

4)      The precision of my rage hasn't been challenged.  Rage/confontation isn'
t
intrinsically bad, it is the result of cognitive dissonance.  The hope is that
engagement of the causes of rage will lead to enlarged understanding of the
issues."


It seems to me that he is easily steamed. I ahve to agree with Mr. Andrew Cohill
whose private e-mail response triggered this. I hope that this will not become
some sort of "Rage/confrontation" therapy group. At U.C. Berkeley I am 
surrounded by this sort of stuff (attempted murder of the chancellor, peoples
park riots ...) and while it provides a thrill for the participants, it does
very little to sove problems. I think that the net effect is to drive away
those who want to participate in discussion.
Joel, was his assumption regarding your architectural background correct?
In other words what is the extent of your practice in architecture? Just
school? Take it easy.
From: jwd@sunol.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren )
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: job opportunites?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:14:59 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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jiggles@heart.seas.upenn.edu (Linda J. Streicher) writes:
   "How should I start my job search? What geographical areas of the
US are "booming" in architecture? (I would like to stay in the North East)"

It is probably just as well that you stay where you are familiar and you 
have contacts. I remember that back in 1990 the architecture market was
pretty bad in the North East and we saw a flood of resumes here in 
San Francisco from that area. At the time the market was marginally
better here, but now I think that it is equally bad everywhere. 
Considering the costs associated with moving to a new part of the
country and balancing them against your probable income (not too high
as an entry-level architect. Even with a masters degree) I think you will
find that moving will be a real hardship unless you have a job already
lined up. 
As for skills architects are looking for, I think that the best approach
is to work on the skills that you would enjoy using most. CAD skills are
useful (maybe essential) in getting an entry-level job, but unless you
want to be a CAD operator for your career I'd work on other areas too.
What are your goals? What skills do you need to obtain those goals?

As for how to start your job search:
First, determine what you want to do. (interiors, residential, high-rise...)
Second, find the firms that do the sort of work you are interested in.
Third, put together a portfolio and resume which address the concerns of
the firms you want to apply at.
Fourth, try and make contact (phone calls, mail, referals...)
It will pay to be very clear on what you want to do and why you want to do it.
The process requires research. A good source of information is your school.
Talk to you classmates who have worked, talk to your professors.
Good luck! 

Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Who reads this group?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:50:51 GMT

jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren ) writes:

: I guess the header says it all. I've never seen an Architecture firm which
: is hooked up to Internet. Are there any out there? 

I don't think there are any architecture firms connected to the net, but there  
are plenty of schools with architecture, design and planning programs that are  
.. :) 

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: job opportunites?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:36:06
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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In-reply-to: brad@buck.viewlogic.com's message of Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:46:55 GMT

I believe the Pacific Northwest is doing well.  Seattle seems to be
bidding to be the New York of the northwest, and Portland is growing.

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com
From: clements@cs.utexas.edu (Paul C. Clements)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Wild Horses?
Date: 4 Oct 1992 10:53:55 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Oct3.225948.17578@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal) writes:
>I`d like to know which city has the sculpture with the wild horses
>running through a pool in a courtyard.   I find it very effective,
>with small fountains placed around the horses feet to evoke the
>spray... 

It's Las Colinas, Texas, a planned business park and residential community
between Dallas and Fort Worth.   If you're in the area and like that sort
of thing (I take it you do), it's well worth a visit.   You can just
about convince yourself that you're standing in a real-life frozen moment
of time.   It's a very compelling piece.

There's a small visitor's center / museum nearby that features 
other (much smaller) works by the same sculptor.   

pc
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: HELP: Intelligent Buildings
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:36:18 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: jlb@thor.inesc.pt's message of 1 Oct 92 09:30:35 GMT

>>>>> On 1 Oct 92 09:30:35 GMT, jlb@thor.inesc.pt (Jose' Luis B. Borbinha) said:
[...]

Jose'>  I'm working now in the integration of services in "inteligent
Jose'> buildings" (residential buildings, offices, etc). The target is
Jose'> the total integration of services usually treated as separeted
Jose'> ones, like "automation services" (energy and air conditionned
Jose'> management, access and fire security, elevators control, etc),
Jose'> communication networks (phones, fax, etc) and computer services
Jose'> (computer networks with CPUs, printers, file servers, etc).

Jose'>  Therefore, and with the purpose of the exchanging of ideias,
Jose'> I'm looking for people interested in this subject, comming not
Jose'> only from the computer/electrical area but also from another
Jose'> ones (like architecture, civil eng., etc),

I remember seeing a special issue of the NTT (Nippon Telegraph and
Telephone) Review on Intelligent Buildings. You may want to get hold
of that issue.

---
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

What happens to me happens through me.                       -- Sartre
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Talk to me
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 10:13:48 GMT

 Hi everyone,
It seems that is everybody is a bit reluctant to begin talking in this group.
Let's begin then with something, I am working in the CAAD area and would like
to hear your opinions about CAAD generally.
Are you satisfied with the available systems and where do you think more work
should be done to make these systems more beneficial to architects?
Do you like to see more enhanced graphics? More expert systems (& its relatives)
What way should the development of systems for architecture goes? 
Any good book you came accross recently on CAAD?

Regards

Ibrahim

-- 
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* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
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From: cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Cognitive Dissonance (was Re: sleepless weeks)
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:19:16 GMT
Organization: Fire in the Mountain

In article <1992Sep29.203607.28927@athena.mit.edu> jjgwynn@athena.mit.edu (Joel J Gwynn) writes:
>As Mr. Smith observes:
>
> Wouldn't it help if
>schools taught a bit more about how to build things, so graduates
>would have some useful skill to offer employers?
>
I'm in complete agreement with the sentiment, although you have to be
careful what you wish for.  What employers want is not necessarily what
you need, unless all you need is a job and don't care what it is.

To provide a very common example:  most employers *want* AutoCad
experience.  Is it the job of your school to provide a class in AutoCad?
I think not, and in fact, believe it would be a disservice.  Whether or
not your school provides classes in CAD, it is fairly easy to pick up
those skills on your own if you want to.

A second, subsidiary issue is that claiming to be an AutoCad user, or
"an experienced CAD operator" may get you a job, but you may very likely
find yourself in CAD hell, relegated to rendering other people's designs
ad infinitum, and the better you get at using the system, the more
likely the company is going to say, "Gee, Joe is the slickest CAD
operator we've got;  we can't afford to take him off the machine to do
some design work."

But I think the remark was really about building skills.  I'd like to
see a more crafts-oriented curriculum, along the the lines of the
Bauhaus, where students were expected to *master* a craft.  Many
architecture schools in this country like to claim that they are modeled
after the Bauhaus, but few of them seem willing to invest the time and
energy required to do that.  One problem I found when I went through
school was that many of my teachers had stopped building, designing, or
creating, and were content merely to teach.

  "...people who teach [study] design methods without also practicing
  design are almost always frustrated designers who have no sap in them,
  who have lost, or never had, the urge to shape things.  Such a person
  will never be able to say anything sensible about "how" to shape
  things either."

                     Christopher Alexander

Andrew 

-- 
|          ...we have to look for routes of power our teachers never       
|              imagined, or were encouraged to avoid.   T. Pynchon          
|                    
|Andrew Cohill        cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu            VPI&SU                                                  
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Geodesic dome height
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:07:19 GMT

In article <jack-021092140515@compstore.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct1.012448.26667@access.usask.ca>, choy@skorpio.usask.ca
|> (I am a terminator.) wrote:
|> > 
|> > I take it domes don't have a lot of vertical outside wall. Can you
|> > build domes on top of domes? 
|> 
|> Many GeoDomes have vertical walls with the dome 'on top' of the wall.

Cute.
 
|> > I suppose you can pack
|> > domes like golf balls in a box or basketball.

|> If you are talking horizontal packing of multiple domes, yes, domes pack
|> very well. (But you still have some 'waste' between them. A good design
|> would use this area for some use.) Do the old example of taking seven
|> pennies (or dimes, etc....) and arrange them with one in the center and six
|> around it. See the gaps?

Only too well. You can use them for rooms if you don't mind hyperbolic
walls or the idea your inside a nuclear reactor.

|> Once you start going for verticle
|> packing.....why??? A traditional 'box' would have much more efficent area
|> use.

Why? Well, why not? Actually, I'm thinking of making really tough
light-weight structures. A space vessel or a quake/wind resistant thing.
How about recursively using small balls to build the walls of a big
ball?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: paranand@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (muralidhar paranandi)
Subject: Re: Who reads this group?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:56:57 GMT

In article <1aep4gINN2hk@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren ) writes:
>I guess the header says it all. I've never seen an Architecture firm which
>is hooked up to Internet. Are there any out there? 

I guess architects like me who are in Academia.  This 90's and slowly even
architects (specially the current generation being trained in school) are 
getting involved with computers more and more.  As far as Architectural firms
being on the net, I doubt if it is going to happen in this century.
The following are the reasons why:

1.  Architecture is practiced in a very cryptic manner, and every thing and
    anything they do in offices is considered propritery.  So, architects
    do not believe in sharing/exchanging information.  Therefore, they don't
    want to be on a network.

2.  Architecture firms are typically "cheap" in regards to paying employees.
    Most people get paid by hours.  They don't want the employees to spend
    any time on reading news kind of things.  

In a CAAD literacy course I am teaching at The Ohio State, I am trying to 
familiarize my students with Net, FTP etc.  I have already sensed reluctance
on the part of my students.  Hopefully you should be seeing their participation
on the net in coming weeks. 
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: arild@milan.ims.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik)
Subject: Architecture drawing programs - shareware??
Reply-To: arild@ims.uni-stuttgart.de
Organization: IMS, University of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:40:51 GMT


I'm looking for information about architecture drawing programs in the
public domain, either for MAC, DOS, or Sun.  Where can I get them?
-Arild Hestvik
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Who reads this group?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:25:10 GMT

Son of an architect.  Dad worked under Richard Neutra before striking out
on his own.  The family biz was marginal.  I had a greater interest in
nuclear reactors at the time.
Who reads the group?  People who watch the health of the Net because
it is an architecture unto itself.

Have fun.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Re: Craftsman Interiors
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:23:12 GMT

In article <jack-021092135844@compstore.jpl.nasa.gov> jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:
>In article <bobk.717700876@slinky.NSD.3Com.COM>, bobk@ESD.3Com.COM (Bob
>Konigsberg) wrote:
>> 
>> Oops, My first post was a reply instead.  Sorry Dan.
>> 
>> Although I've been a subscriber to Old House Journal for some years,
>> I haven't seen much on the subject of Craftsman Interior woodworking.
>> 
>> Can anyone point me to articles on interior woodwork, pictures, designs,
>> etc.
>
>The bookstore at the Gamble House here in Pasadena has a pretty good
>selection of Craftsman oriented books and magazines. One that I have not
>seen elsewhere is 'California Bungelow' magazine.
>
>Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)
	A pretty good book that I have is a reprint of Craftsman Homes,
by Gustav Stickley, originally printed in 1909. It's now published under 
the name Craftsman Homes - architecture and furnishings of the American
Arts and Crafts Movement by Dover Publications of New York. It's filled
with floor plans, interior and exterior renderings and has text describing
each plans benefits and features. Hope this proves useful!
		chris belanger
From: shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Virgins vs Women
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:21:20 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

In article <92279.172540U18588@uicvm.uic.edu> ---  BORYS  --- <U18588@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>      An interesting tidbit...
>
>       To the primitive Man,  a female was considered a virgin until
>she actually gave birth.  It did not matter how often or how early on she
>had sexual intercourse.   This way of thinking that a woman becames
>a "woman" is the effect of Judeo-Christian values and morals trying to
>curb sexual 'promiscuity'

Excuse me? And which primitive man was that? Were you there? Show us
references, bud. Jeeze, don't make remarks like this without something
to back them up. We can suspect that primitive man may not have made
the connection between intercourse and childbirth, but we don't know.
What primitive man thought is not written down, not anywhere, not by
anyone. That's why we call them primitive. They had no past or future
beyond tales around the campfire (if that).

You vasn't dere, charlie (as my mother would say).
-- 
George Bush, the environmentalist: 1000 points of blight.

shrdlu@rowan.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
Work Phone - (310) 812-1660 or (310) 812-1570
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: mystisism. and what follows
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:14:35 GMT

In article gemxDvW00WBOA8ruEs@andrew.cmu.edu, "Adam M. Donshik" <ad2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
> 
 Two, what was the name, of the condemed man whose
> punishment was to roll a rock up a hill for all eternity, and what did
> he do?  > 
> adam m donshik


 Sisyphos ,  He was punished for being alive.

He was one of the race of Titan, who predated the olympian gods
(the father of the gods, Cronos, was also a Titan.) When the
Titan did not accept the sovereignty of Zeus, those who survived
were imprisoned in Hades, like Sisyphos and Tantalus
  Steve C.
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: mystisism. and what follows
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:19:03 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct5.171435.1505@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>In article gemxDvW00WBOA8ruEs@andrew.cmu.edu, "Adam M. Donshik" <ad2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>> 
> Two, what was the name, of the condemed man whose
>> punishment was to roll a rock up a hill for all eternity, and what did
>> he do?  > 
>> adam m donshik
> Sisyphos ,  He was punished for being alive.
>He was one of the race of Titan, who predated the olympian gods
>(the father of the gods, Cronos, was also a Titan.) When the
>Titan did not accept the sovereignty of Zeus, those who survived
>were imprisoned in Hades, like Sisyphos and Tantalus
>  Steve C.
    BZZZT! Well, half-BZZZT!. Sisyphos was indeed sent to Tarterus (a sub-
division of Hades), and so were the Titans, but that's the only relation.
Sisyphos, Tanatlos, Ixion, Niobe et cetera were humans who'd annoyed one or
the other of the gods sufficently that the offended deities killed them and
set them up for eternal punishment. Mind, not all the Titans were imprisoned.
Oceanos (guess), Atlas (the one holding up the sky), Prometheus, Epimetheus
(P.'s brother, a tad slow on the uptake) and probably some others I've for-
gotten at the moment weren't.
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist

-- 
"Apart from hydrogen, the most common thing in the universe is stupidity."
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