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From: lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang)
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Subject: Re: Sexism and language a la Preferential T
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:33:49 GMT
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To: lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Originator: lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk

In article <2B005CC0@courier.sscnet.ucla.edu> you write:
>
>     Don,
>     According to Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English
>Language, female IS a noun ["A human being of the sex which becomes pregnant
>and gives birth to young"  (sic!!!)].
>     Perhaps the definition tells us something about the way females are
>viewed in society?

What is the definition of male according to the above dictionary.
Is a female _penguin_, a penguin that is a _human being_ of the sex which
becomes pregnant and gives birth to young? (sounds like a naff dictionary).

Steve Lang.
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From:         Mustafa AlAbsi <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

There are more than one direction that you can take to lear about the
hippo.  One of these is to read about the biochemistery and the receptors
in this structure and the relationship with stress response.  Of particular
interets may be CRH receptors.  Beta and
alpha adrenergic receptors are also interesting in terms of the role of the
hippo in response to stress.  Research has suggested that during stress
several hormonal modulators are activated.  These hormones may be contributing
to preparing the individual to face the situation or escape it.  In that
process they facilitate memory processes.  That may be one reason why we
remember intense situations more vividly.

You could also look at the experimental literature in the feild of
psychopharmacology.  Ach and other neurotrnsmitters containing cells project
to the hippo.  Another direction is the relationship or interaction
between the hippocampus and amygdala which involves in both memory and emotion.
You may also look at some of the classical cases, patients with hipocampus
damage.  You may have heard about HM and others. Brenda Millner has done
a lot of work with this and other patients.

Good luck
Mustafa
From: JCSP@KSUVM.BITNET (Julia)
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Subject: Preferential treatment
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At some point, I knew that I would have to put in my 2 cents worth on this
topic.  In my opinion, preferences are shown in subtle ways outside of
assessing one's quality or lack of same in research, teaching, or classwork,
preferences which affect interactions between professors and grad students
but which have no real bearing (that I can see), other than some sort of
jock-bonding thing.   It has been my experience
that the precious commodity of professors' time and attention is easily
diverted from research topics by conversations about irrelevant topics.
The one which gets my goat all the time is sports.
Let me just throw out a scenerio or two and get feedback about how different
people think about it...

1) A notable professor from another university came to town to discuss a
teaching program which one of our professors had recently begun
for grad students.  The students who were participating in the first year
of the program were asked to meet with the (male) visitor to share ideas,
reactions, etc.  In the middle of the meeting, another student (male)
who was an undergrad at the visitor's university dropped in to say "hi".
The "hi" turned into a discussion of how the teams were doing and the rest
of us had to wait until this (totally irrelevant) conversation finished,
which took 5-10 minutes.

2) In a stats class, we all had to hear the latest sports/golf scores
before class could get underway.  I always felt that multivariate
statistics came in second in importance. Once the prof's wife gave birth,
however, we got baby & golfing.  More amusing, but just as big a
waste of time.

Now, I do realize that the domain of sports is not confined to males.
However, is this type of digression supposed to be tolerated in classes
and research meetings when all of our time is valuable?  If so, I need to
develop a sports interest for just such occasions.
Instead of using my initials on my research, I am thinking about
taking up fly fishing.  I also subscribe to the "Trojan Horse" method.
One can't change the rules until one knows how to play the game.
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Attenuating the unintended insult (flame)

Irene,
        I requested that this memo be sent out, in response
to some of the (to me, anyway) hostile "YOU"-directed
statements that have been going around lately in the
"Preferential Treatment" discussion.  Specifically, the
dialogue about sports talk and men and women and the like.
It seemed as though that dialogue was getting unnecessarily
personal and heated.  In keeping with the spirit of the list,
I asked Matthew to run his posting on damping the flames a
little.  My apologies if I jumped the gun in asking for
moderation.
--Kathy Morgan
kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
From: UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET (Tim Tumlin)
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Subject: Re: Preferential treatment
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   First, I think group-blind decision practices would not be too hard
to work out in many situations. You can separate certain demographic
information from the decision process and require the institution to make
its decision based on more salient factors.  My former roommate's sister
once cleverly auditioned for a symphonic orchestra, where the applicants
sat behind a screen but their legs were visible, by wearing men's pants
and shoes -- and she got the job when it was believed the judges were
biased toward men.  We can do more to make this a world where people don't
have to go to such measures.
   Applications for large-scale programs, such as undergrad, and many
professional and grduate programs, can be much more group-blind.
   As for the studies you cited, they are 20 years old but I wouldn't
be surprised if they were contemporary.  Gordon Allport's book The Nature
of Prejudice cites similar studies from the 50s and 60s, only using Jewish
and gentile names.  There are always biases based on group distinctions.
I'm willing to bet you can also find dumb biases based on race, height
and weight (obese people are seen as less intelligent by some raters).
The question is do we attack this problem by giving preferential treatment
to minorities, women, short people or overweight people?
   Re pay statistics, once again: I have no doubt that women are paid less
than man in many if not almost all instances. However, I am suspicious of
many statistics that don't seem to account for the complex variables involved
in determining the true status of women and men in this matter. It simply
smacks of unclear and imprecise thinking and does not serve the cause of
fair play.
   Finally, why is it all the studies cited were about slights to women?
What about other groups? What about the idea of fairness as a principle
rather than just the  wrongs done to one's own group?  I haven't seen
much about justice and fairness but I've read a good deal from members of
specific groups campaigning for their own interests.
Tim
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From:         SCAR5755@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      SOME ADVICE

Date sent:  9-NOV-1992 19:02:45
HI, WOW YOU'RE IN A TOUGH SITUATION!! IF YOU'VE LOOKED EVERYWHERE FOR THE
TEST AND STILL CAN'T FIND IT, I WOULD GIVE THE STUDENT AN AUTOMATIC A, THAT
IS IF YOU ARE SURE THAT HE OR SHE DEFINITELY HANDED IT IN TO YOU.  MAYBE
THIS STUDENT DIDN'T ACTUALLY TAKE THE EXAM-THAT IS WHY YOU CAN'T FIND IT.
IF YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IT WAS HANDED IN, THEN JUST GIVE THE STUDENT AN
A FOR YOUR CARELESSNESS.  THE STUDENT MAY HAVE SPENT A LONG TIME STUDYING
FOR IT.  I KNOW I'D BE MAD IF MY TEACHER LOST MY TEST, BUT HEY ACCIDENTS DO
HAPPEN.  IT'S REALLY UP TO THE STUDENT TO DECIDE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.  GOOD
LUCK!!!!!!
From: KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Preferential treatment
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:45:00 GMT
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I recognize that all of the studies that I cited were from the
'70's.  I also stated that there are '80's studies which do show a
similar pattern, and I personally doubt that a replication in 1992
would show much change--here's an anecdote as to why.  I teach at
what was until four years ago an all-women's college.  Feminism is
THE motto on campus, and the ENTIRE CURRICULUM is supposedly gender-
balanced.  If there was anyplace in the world where you'd expect to
see politically correct behavior, it would be here, among our
juniors and seniors.
        But alas, when I half of my class a picture of a sexually
ambiguous baby named "Larry," and half the same picture with the
name "Laurie" attached to it,  Laurie fairs quite differently
compared to Laurie.  Laurie is softer, weaker, less coordinated, and
more beautiful than Larry.  This makes a beautiful and highly
predictable demonstration in class, but it always ruins my day....
--Kathy Morgan
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

> Eric,
> I don't think the limbic system is that far from the hypoythalamus.
> Some of what Don indicated may apply to the hippo function as well.

Certainly, but the hypothalamus is MORE associated with the
4 F's outlined by Don than any component of the limbic system is.

Given that the hippocampus functionally communicates with the hypothalamus,
we would be quite surprised to learn that it wasn't associated with
these phenomena, but I imagine that in a survey level course, the instructor
was probably referring to the hypothalamus.

Eric
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From:         WAGNERL@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      To paraphrase The Torch...

     I am convinced that Karl Popper is correct and that
scientific theories cannot be proven, they can only be found
false.  Perhaps the generalization of this assertion is
problematic, however it seems relevant to the mission of
this PSYCGRAD list.  Falsification (i.e. the process of
disproving) requires disagreement.  Following this logic,
nothing is essentially intellectually settled by agreement.
     There has been a question as to the form this
disagreement should take; namely that personal attacks
(flaming) should be avoided.  I have noticed some
indications that not everyone in this forum has the same
understanding of a "personal attack" (PA).  For the sake of
argument I will call the acceptable counterpart of such an
attack a "debatable assertion" (DA).
     The differences between PAs and DAs seems to be mostly
a matter of phrasing and connotation.  I understand PAs to
be objectionable statements about people whereas I see DAs
ideally as opinions about ideas.  However the difference
seems to be in the combinations.  It doesn't seem improper
to state contentious opinions about people (e.g. "I think
Ronald is wrong.") as long as we refrain from juvenile
vilification (you are free to create your own example here).
Nor does it seem inappropriate to make arguable statements
about ideas (e.g. "Shock treatment is less than useful, it
is damaging and unethical").
     The crux of the difference seems to be in the
"debatableness" of the remarks.  For example it may be
somewhat more difficult to argue with an accusation such as
"Ulysses is clearly more brawn than brain." than "I think
Ulysses is a dunderhead." or even "People with wives named
Penelope and sons named Telemachus are dunderheads, and you
know the Ulysses family, don't you?"  The latter statements
are evidently uncertain because one is an opinion and the
other is a syllogism.
     I suppose some would take issue with my belief in the
need for falsification in the social sciences.  My arguments
on that point are for another time if any wish to argue.  A
more difficult matter is the "pornography" proposition which
is along the lines of "I can't define a personal attack, but
I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT."  This note has been an attempt to
objectify the concepts in order to avoid the morass of
subjectivity.
     This of course is all a matter of opinion and I WELCOME
an open discussion on this topic if it is not already stale.

Larry.
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              9 Nov 1992 15:18:41 -0500 from <mmartin@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>

Uh, oh, guys. Jesse's slipping from us. He's apologizing for ruining the lives
of millions of women.
Jesse! Jesse! Talk to me! How about those 49ers and those Falcons tonight!
It looks bad. We'd better get him to a support group.
T.
From: PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU (Matthew Prull)
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Subject: Re: low frequency words
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Jesse writes:

>More worrisome than the low frequency words is how the words will
>be treated.  Are they a fixed variable or a random variable??
>(The old Clarke debate)

>Jesse
>--

I'm afraid I'm not aware of the Clarke debate.  Anyone out there care
to elaborate on this?

Matthew Prull
The Claremont Graduate School
Department of Psychology
130 E. 9th St.
Claremont, CA 91711

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From:         G9226406@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

Margaret,
You might be right about being subject to discrimination just because I
am a woman and would like to be recognized by my full name.  Besides wanting
to succeed in a male dominated field I would also like to make it through
with as much self-pride as possible.  There are a number of people out
there who WILL respect good work and those are the people I am out to
impress.  By hiding behind initials women would be actually increasing
discrimination.  Men who consider science to be a good old boys organization
will think that it actually is when they do not see female names around on
papers etc.  I can also guarantee that these are the same men who will when
you introduce yourself say something to the effect, " Your husband does some
great work!".  Science is a male dominated field and will be for some time
to come.  That will not change by trying to have women sneak in by using
their initials.  Women will be considered uppity for a long time to come
by the good old boys, get used to it!!  You can only hide behind your
initials so long.
Tammy
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From:         "M. Swickard (male)" <G5468508@NMSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment
              7 Nov 1992 10:35:36 EST from <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>

I suspect there is one other point to make in this--that while the
immediate problem is what people do when they find out someone's
gender, the real issue is that in an intellectual climate gender
display is not appropriate.  We should know a Dr. Morgan rather
than a gender specific Kathy so that ideas are the focus of our
attention rather than the gender of the person.  MS
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject: No, no! Don't do it Jesse!

C'mon fellas, don't give in!  Resist, dammnit!  You can do it!

First we feel guilt, then apologize, then further public self-flaggelation,
and then.... (horrors!), we'll all start reading Iron John, beating
drums, donning loincloths, and hugging each other.  Or, in the absence
of that, we'll start hugging trees.  Don't give in!  I have faith!

Still quite confident that Anita LIED,
Kenn
kwhite@wam.umd.edu


p.s., Yah, right Kathy (old buddy of mine) -- poor Anita didn't have
       _any_ idea what recourse under the law she could pursue.
       It's not like she went to a decent school or anything,
       or that she worked with EEOC cases every freggin day.  Naw,
       poor kid.  Pity, really.


p.s.s., I don't believe in victimhood.  Particularly at $10,000 per
          post-hearing speech...
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Anita Hill's Hairless Trojan Horse

   Whew! You really waved the red flag in front of the old can of
worms, Ken. Just when they were wiping the foam from their mouths.
Defending Clarence Thomas, even against the bitter-angry-humorless
hordes of righteously injured feminists, seems like Sophie's Choice.
T.
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Subject: Battering
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Another ref for the battering inquirer:

A book:  "Violent betrayal: Partner abuse in lesbian relationships"
by
Claire Renzetti.

--Kathy Morgan
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Neural development and TV

This is an interesting discussion...I'd like to digress from
it a little, and perhaps start a second discussion, not about
TV.  I am instead concerned with the recent increase in
diagnoses of ADD.  While I am willing and able to admit that,
as Irene says, ..."the incident rate of ADD is no higher now
than it ever was, it's just more widely recognized," I am
also afraid that this label (ADD) is being applied in some
cases willy-nilly by frustrated high school guidance
counselors at a loss for "treatment" of repeat problem
students.  I am worried that some of the students that I see
in my classes don't have ADD, but rather, are just plain
motivationally or intellectually impaired.  I know I'll be
drawn and quartered for this, but how can you tell the
difference, and what are the implications, if any, for higher
education and equal opportunity?
Just adding more fuel to the fire,
--Kathy Morgan
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From:         G9226406@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

K. Morgan,
I hope that you are successful in your attempt to kick butt but.. I hope
that you do realize that if you are accepted as K. Morgan that many
individuals who have heard of your work will be amazed when they find out
that you are not a Kevin or a Keith...
I think Jennifer has the right attitude.  I would like people to know
exactly who I am.  If I blunder then I am to blame, but if I somehow manage
to do something brilliant, I want the credit!!!!

Tammy
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