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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Today's villians...what went wrong?
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:32:10 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <92269.123653U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> U16244@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>The classic villains are good.  I hate goons like Shiva, and their ilk
>(adamantium skin and blades that are KEWL).  However, new villains I
>think are good- Cardiac, Taskmaster, Mister Sinister and his Wild Bunch
>are quite good (a combination of planning and just enough power).

Obscure Trivia Lad wishes to point out that Taskmaster is hardly a
new villain.  He was first introduced back in the #190's of the Avengers
(remember the good old days?  When Harris had nothing to do with the
writing and George Perez was doing the art?).  He was introduced, what?,
13, 14 years ago?  He's not a new character.

>I personally had come up with one nice master villain who developed
>androids who fought with similar styles (if not powers) to the
>heroes they were fighting.  A wave of grunt throwaways, a video camera,
>and he was a one man Borg invasion.  ("Oh, so you guys react like that.
>Nice acrobatic moves buddy.  I'll just program those dodging moves into
>my androids and let's just see how well you tag my boys.")

That's exactly what Taskmaster does, except his "photographic reflexes"
allow him to be able to do any action he sees with perfect accuracy
(not counting super-powers).

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: William.P.Dorris@dartmouth.edu (William P. Dorris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: New Destruction! (SPOILER)
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:34:30 GMT
 <1992Oct5.210027.18254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
 <1992Oct6.052625.16488@netcom.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1992Oct6.052625.16488@netcom.com>
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> 
> 1. He was somehow able to take his gallery with him when he
>    abandoned his realm; or
> 
> 2. Earth *is* his realm.

  I don't think Earth is his realm, although it is an interesting
thought.  I remember in the flashback in part1 of brief lives, he says
something to Despair along the lines of spending more and more time on
earth as opposed to his own realm.  Its possible that I misinterpreted
it though.


Will
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: scordova@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephen Cordova)
Subject: Help on Big 'S' lore
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: ca. us.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:03:45 GMT
Keywords: Superman, hide outs, solitude
	Where is the fortress of solitude in the post-crisis continuity?
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #35
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:54:45 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <y_!p1kg.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> Well, we got another probable super-power use from Bounty.
> 
        What was that?  The ability to recognize severly burned individuals who
rave like lunatics? :)  
        I musta missed it.
 
> I continue to be happy with the writing and underwhelmed by the artwork
> -- with the inker taking most of the blame.

        In the latest issue of the propaganda mag CSN, there is an "interview"
with Jason Pearson.  In it, he talks about past and future projects as well as
past and future writers and inkers he'd like to work with.  He says that, while
although Al Gordon did *not* compliment his artwork in his opinion, he thinks
that Karl Story is the best thing since sliced bread.  In fact, from what I
infer, the two have worked together quite happily for years. 
        Interestingly, he also said that he, Giffen, and Eury have "decided to
leave the LSH book..." (that's a paraphrase BTW)  I guess *I* wouldn't want to
admit that *I* got *fired* in an article that was hyping me.  At least maybe
we'll get a decent artist on the book.  Chyeah, right! 
        I still say that T&M are not the problems behind the book, and that
it's Giffen who caused all the damage.  Afterall, he is the *main* plotter.
        Anyway...

        shylock---shalom 
> -----
> Dani Zweig
> dani@netcom.com
> 
>   Watership Down:  
>   You've read the book.  You've seen the movie.  Now eat the stew!
> 
> 
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Soviet Super Soldiers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:22:59 GMT

Hey, just wanted to point out a great comic that some of you might
have missed.  SSS was written by Fabian Nicieza, so you know it's top 
rate mind candy.  I picked it up hesitatingly, and despite some good
shows, like Hellblazer, New Warriors, and X-Force, it was my favorite
of the week.  Finally, a talented writer gets to tie together about 
100,000 dangling plot threads, as well as deal with a bunch of fascinating
characters from a country that has seen so much change, that you wonder if
it really happened in Marvel time (since they never showed it).  Characters
evolve, unlike many books, and Nicieza does a commendable job considering the
book spans 21 months and deals with 15 seperate characters in an intelligent,
entertaining manner.  Sure, the push was done to bring Darkstar to the front
for the Darkforce War, in New Warriors, but it was a much needed update.
	This isn't a PAD crack, but notice that of my four favorite titles
this month, three were done by Nicieza.  Each were superior, IMHO, to PAD's
last week.  Grace under pressure? 
-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / "No, I don't know how much unknown is... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	...THAT'S THE POINT!" 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jcastle@nyx.cs.du.edu (jim castle)
Subject: Simon Bisley Question 
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:56:18 GMT


Anyone knows wat Bisley is working on currently ??
So sad he's taken out of LoBo.


.................................................jimC
S
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #162
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:45:29 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen):
>This issue has to have had the best 'sexual innuendo in the form of comics 
>pricing criteria' I've ever seen

Didn't it!

Question/afterthought:  Why was the Elf crying?  Just because she couldn't
find her twin?

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Cerebus questions...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:42:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.002442.6545@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>However, Cirin may have locked up Astoria specifically to screw
>up the Western Church.  Granted, she could have killed Astoria
>and become the Western Pontiff, but A: she probably still loves
>her adopted daughter enough to be reluctant to do so and B: she
>also probably realizes that the Western Church would never
>accept the leadership of either the head Cirinist or the head
>Kevillist.  The Western Church has probably amended the 'law' of
>succession to posit that the pope must forswear any previous
>beliefs before ascending.  Since neither Astoria nor Cirin is
>very likely to do so, the Westerners can safely assume neither
>is a valid candidate and go back to choosing a new Pope.  

There are at least two more reasons why Cirin didn't kill Astoria.

1. Cirin doesn't know whether Astoria is a mother. (This assumes
that Theresa's revelations to Wise-Guy Hop were on the
up-and-up.) 

2. Cirin knew that she might need Cirin in the future, presumably
to quell the Kevillist rebellion (or whatever it is that's got
both of the old battleaxe's tits in the wringer).
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

#include <disclaimer.h>
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ganthet's Tale (GL)
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:10:03 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

I've read Ganthet's Tale, and it was one of the best Green Lantern stories I've
read in recent years. Much of Larry Niven's assumption of Krona's true crime
makes sense, and I'd rather that the whole Crisis be retconned away, for it
have caused too many problems than it was supposed to solve. Also, I liked the
neat trick where GL uses his ring to produce the only weakness as a weapon.
Love the irony of this. But there was a silly thread of Ganthet looking for his
lost cousins, and recruiting Percival. Totally unneccessary. Also, I knew the
story of Maltusians supposedly freer atmosphere and high advancements before
Krona's "crime", and to find out it was of course, a lie. One question springs
forth, of course: The Anti-Monitor. He should've known it was just gospel, and
went to the true origins of the beginnings to make the universe his, but he
never did. Overall, worth the $5.95 you spring forth.
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Cerebus questions...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:24:42 GMT

In re: Powers calling Cerebus Pope of the united Church.
     I think that it was generally assumed that Cerebus would execute Astoria 
and become the Western as well as Eastern pontiff.  The law regarding sucession
was invented by the Lion himself to validate his papacy, but if they lock 
Astoria up and assume she'll die of age or whatnot, they have a nice loophole.
However, Cirin may have locked up Astoria specifically to screw up the Western 
Church.  Granted, she could have killed Astoria and become the Western Pontiff,
but A: she probably still loves her adopted daughter enough to be reluctant to 
do so and B: she also probably realizes that the Western Church would never 
accept the leadership of either the head Cirinist or the head Kevillist.  The 
Western Church has probably amended the 'law' of succession to posit that the 
pope must forswear any previous beliefs before ascending.  Since neither 
Astoria nor Cirin is very likely to do so, the Westerners can safely assume 
neither is a valid candidate and go back to choosing a new Pope.
     Dave Van Domelen, speaking of Popes, anyone think Sinead O'Connor stands a
chance in hell of being asked back to SNL after her stunt last night?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:28:06 GMT

Scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>Given what we've seen of Desire recently, perhaps it is becoming the
>new Destruction?

Exactly what I was thinking! Desire has continually noted the difference
between the elder three and the younger three, so why wouldn't it try
to change its station?

Also, is this issue the first appearance of Destruction's sigil? Notice
the sword hanging in his gallery.


--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                  + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman: TAS (was: The Harvey Dent dilemma)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:02:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep29.060323.20631@access.digex.com>, tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man) writes:
> 
> Finally, the voices (and the people doing them) are also quite surprising.
> If I am to believe my eyes, Christopher Lloyd did Mr. Freeze (and it did in
> fact sound like Lloyd's voice, which was bugging me while I watched),

Uh-uh.  That was Michael Ansara.  There are other celebrity voices in the
show.  Check these out:
- Ed Asner as Roland Daggett
- Adrienne Barbeau as Catwoman
- Ed Begley Jr. playing bit parts (Daggett's thug "Germs", and "Charlie
  Collins" from JOKER'S FAVOR).
- Mark Hamill as, yes, the Joker, and as industrialist "Ferris Boyle" from
  HEART OF ICE.
- Several others which have been listed elsewhere in this thread.

There is an episode guide being posted weekly over at rec.arts.animation.
Check it out!  :-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image/Marvel "FanBoys"TM
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:25:06 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

bennett@cs.dal.ca (clinton a bennett) writes:

>   It seems that since I've been on the net that all people are doing is 
>picking fun at Marvel and it's self proclaimed zombies.  Now Image with it's
>group of "hot" new artists has made the namecalling even worse.
>   I know I'm taking a chance here, but I admit that I was once upon a time a
>dedicated "fanboy".  But that was way back when I didn't realize that a title's
>even realized that a good writer is what makes a good story.
>   I still read some marvel titles including all the X-stories, and Wolverine.

Well I think most people (including myself) for fanboys at
an early stage of their collecting. Some people just take
longer to grow out of it and some never do. A good writer is
THE ONLY thing that makes a good story. A good artist and
good characters make a good comic.

>I like Davis, Hama, and PAD and have hopes that Lobdell and Nicezia will sort
>out the mess that has been made of some of the best characters in comics.
>   Dare I say that I have bought some Image titles, and thenadmit that I liked
>some of them.  Spawn I find interesting, MacFarlane's art is different and 
>stylish and his story so far although slow moving is not bad.  I also like 
>Larson's title so far, as well as Lee's.  Vallentino didn't impress me, and
>Lifield's stories make me ill, so I stay away from his work.

I'm just about to quit all X-titles. I quit X-Factor because
of the art but might pick it up again with Jae Lee doing the
art. I think Spawn is okay, nothing special. WildCATS is pretty
standard stuff. I didn't buy Larson's title because I really
hated his art although some people whose opinion I respect said
that it was reasonable (the story and art). Valentino is an
overrated hack. Liefeld is just Liefeld.

>   Right about now you people are probably warming up your flame throwers
>and getting out your lists of alternative comics I should read.  Well I
>already have caught the Cerebus bug and am catching up on that.  I have read
>and enjoyed the Watchmen, as well as Hard Boiled, and the DarkNight Returns.
>I plan on trying out Animal Man and Sandman soon.

Why should anybody flame you? It's good that you read Cerebus.
I havenit read any of the others although I plan to buy them
all soon.

>  PS : Can anyone tell me if Miller's Sin City is worth reading. I am thinking 
>*******************************************************************************
Yeah I've read part of it and it's really good. The art is
excellent as usual for Miller. I've ordered the graphic
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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!!
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:27:32 GMT

So:

I burn through the latest issue of Adventures of Superman, in which the imp
from the 5th torments our big lovable oaf once again.  Besides the Watchmen
"tribute," and the assorted other fairly humerous stuff, there was a teaser
of a riddle in there.  For those of you who won't read the story, I'll
summarize: Mxyzptlk splits himself into three, and straps Luthor into an
electric chair.  Each Mx sits in front of a lever, and they confront Supes
thus: Two of the levers are electrified, one is not; two of the imps are 
lying, one is not.  Supes gets one question, and what he asks is, "Which of
you is holding the non-electrified lever?"

Mx 1: "My lever contains no jolt."
Mx 2: "My lever contains a jolt."
Mx 3: "Number one's lever contains a jolt."

Now Supes (and you, dear reader!) must choose which lever is safe.  Whichever
you choose is the one that's pulled, so you control whether Lex lives or dies.

Well?

They kind of explain the logic behind the right choice, but leave out a bit in
the first step.  And there's no letters page, so I'm sure lotsa kids out there
are grinding their teeth right now.  But I LOVED this issue. . .all-around 
good work, and shows hope for the future.
Except, if Luthor's such a genius, why didn't Supes just let him take the
responsibility for his own life, and choose the lever himself???. . .
Ah well.  I'll let the net have at it, and if there's no takers I'll post a
quick analysis in a couple days.

Kevvy Kev
"Choose *wisely*. . ."
 -That flippin' knight in The Last Crusade, Percival or Launcelot or whoever
From: jlee@nlm.nih.gov (Jhemon Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Moore stuff (was Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please))
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:31:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Library of Medicine

In article <1agol4INNt4e@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheila Rani Gurtu) writes:
>
>Moore does do this sort of script.  Look at WATCHMEN for evidence; or even
>some of the stuff he did for 2000 AD in Britain.  I remember one story that
>was a lot like the BACK TO THE FUTURE movies, where characters kept hopping
>back and forth through time, and meeting past and future versions of
>themselves.  If you go back and look at the earlier panels, you can see
>the future versions of the characters in the panel, before you were told
>they were there.  It takes a little control on the writer's part to pull off

     Just wondering, what's the name of the time-travelling story mentioned
above, and is it available in any collection or whatnot in the States?

                 Thanks,
                    Jhemon Lee
                    jlee@lhc.nlm.nih.gov
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Today's villians...what went wrong?
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:08:51 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep28.130845.8555@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Of course you realize, that Gideon is just an attempt to make a more KEWL 
>version of Taskmaster.  As in, "Wouldn't it be KEWL if Taskmaster didn't just 
>copy reflexes, but powers too?  The he could kick some serious butt!"

Hmmm...  I never thought of it like that.  It does seem true, though.

>     One of my fave things about Taskmaster is that when people with real 
>powers show up, he usually begins his retreat (unless he thinks he can 
>bushwhack them).  But, being the intelligent person he is, his retreat usually 
>works.  Gideon is so damn powerful (able to use stolen abilities 10 times 
>better than the owner can) that he needs no brains in combat.  But Taskmaster 
>could whup his ass all the same.  Heh.

Of course Gideon needs no brains.  He was created by Robbie.  It's rather
hard to use brains in combat when your writer can't use them in real
life.

>     Dave Van Domelen, would like to see a taskforce of nonmutants beat the 
>crap out of Gideon

 Brian Perler, aka Obscure Trivia Lad, would like to see anyone (including
Aunt May) beat the crap out of Gideon.  Just for fun.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Lake Elmo, MN)
Subject: SANDMAN: Annotation 34 Where the Hell Is It?
Organization: Calm Blue Water...and a Muskie the Size of Boise
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:39:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

	I swear to Ghu, I posted Annotated Sandman 34 Sunday afternoon AND
Tuesday morning...I don't know where the hell it is, but if I ain't seen it
by Saturday, I'll post it directly to rac.misc.
-- 
"Don't be humble.  You're not that great."                                     
--Golda Meir                                                                   
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: The Huntress - info wanted
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.201753.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>the 19 issue series, and some of the WonderWoman she was the back-up feature
>in -- what am I missing? 

The Secret Origins special with her pre-Crisis origin and her appearances with
the JSA in All-Star Comics and Adventure Comics in 1977-8, as well as in 
several JLA issues which featured team-ups with the JSA during that period
and afterwards. Also, an issue of Brave & the Bold which teamed her up
with the Earth-1 Batman.

"This had better be important! I'm smack in the middle of an especially
meldramatic monologue!"  --Magna Khan
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: $$ Comic Book Creators $$
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:52:46 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

> How much do comic book creators make these days?  I'm sure it depends
> on the popularity of the creators and the popularity of the books, but
> Millions?!! 

People who make small fortunes from comic work are few and far between. 
Most of the time the big-money people are making it because of royalties --
guys like Chris Claremont and the Image crowd fall into that category,
and they only get big royalties because they've been in the business for a
long time and are on top-selling books (Claremont) or because they
essentially own the company (Image).  But for every creator who rakes in
hundreds of thousands of dollars for their work, there are hundreds upon
hundreds who don't even make enough money doing comics to pay the rent.   

> I'm not being nosy, I think Byrne and Lee would  be a good gauge to
> measure the potential salaries of comic creators. 

That's like saying Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a good gauge to measure
the potential salaries of actors.  Byrne, Arnold and company are completely
off the scale where typical income for their professions is concerned.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)