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From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Need a Unix-based Running Log
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:11:08 GMT

I am currently looking for a running log - something simple that
would run on my Unix platform.  The requirements are:

 - not require me to acquire or learn new tools (unless it's
   real easy).  I have not yet familiarized myself with EMACS or
   GNU, for example.
 - handle various activities - run, walk, cycle, swim, even play
   with the kids!
 - allow me to collect information on activity (e.g. Run), duration
   (e.g. 1hr 20 minutes), distance, comments, time of day, and
   others.  In particular, I use my running log to keep track of
   the mileage on my shoes - both as an early warning for when
   these are getting old, and to allow me to gauge the durability
   of various styles.
 - allow me to add up this information in various ways - total
   mileage by pairs of shoes, total time by week by activity,
   etc...

A C program providing most of this capability would be quite suitable
(I can always tailor it - I just don't want to start from scratch if
there's already something out there I can use.)

Reply by e-mail or by posting - I will check these groups for any
responses.

(BTW, my current running log is based on an IBM mainframe, and consists
of a formatted file, with various REXX and XEDIT macros to do whatever
processing I want.  Creating a new report means writing a new macro.)

The Rhealist (Rheal Nadeau)                 |  Bell-Northern Research
Internet:  nadeau@bnr.ca                    |  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 
BNR neither endorses nor censors my views   |  (613) 763-4266
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ashley@sequent.com (Jerry Ashley)
Subject: Burning desire
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 16:26:37 GMT

My wife and I run 4 miles 4-5 times per week and have for a few years.
My wife continues to have a foot problem that is annoying.  The
bottoms of her feet develop a burning sensation during the runs.  Any
great pearls of wisdom.  Have tried various thickness socks, good
running shoes...

Appreciate advice.
From: fittery@arcturus.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com (Elmer Fittery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Children and Running?
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:20:08 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Rockwell International

Is their any real data supporting the position that too much running
in children causes damage to the growth plates.  My sun is running
3 or 4 days a week for 30 minutes at a pace of 10 minute miles.
Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.  

Was there ever any evidence that lots of running caused health
problems related to arthuritis.  Seems in the 60's that a lot of
medical people said by the late 80's and early 90's we would have
thousands of crippled up ex-runners.  Any comments?
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:45:22 GMT

mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:

>I have heard that 80% of the runners at the Boston Marathon are
>unregistered.  I haven't run it so I don't know.  Is this true?

This seems unlikely.  There (at least there used to be) about 7,000
registered runners each year.  5 times that is 35,000 people.
I don't believe it.  There might be 10,000 or so.  I don't believe
even 15,000.

Preston Briggs
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tolar@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar)
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Organization: Semiconductor Systems Design Technology, Motorola, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:47:23 GMT
Originator: usenet@nddsun1

In article <1992Apr7.181810@voskhod.mit.edu> ron@voskhod.mit.edu (Rocket Ron Spangler) writes:
>I am planning to run my first marathon in a couple of weeks here in
>Boston.  (Without a number, of course.)  Is there anyone out there who's
>done it before 
>who can give me some general information?  Like how much of a zoo is it
>getting from Boston to Hopkinton on race morning?  I've heard the BAA
>runs buses, but I don't have a number, so...   Is it likely to be
>gridlock?  How early should one get there?
>
>Another question - what kind of fluids do they provide at the water
>stops?  (I can't drink Gatorade - I get sick at about 15 miles if I
>do.)
>
>I hope there's a lot of experience out there.  Thanks.
>
>  
>
>Ron Spangler

Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but why should you expect anyone to
provide anything for you at the water stops?  You aren't entered in the race,
bozo. You aren't helping cover the expenses through your entry fee. 
You are part of the problem, zoo-wise.  It seems to me to be the height of
conceit to expect the race committee to prepare for every Boston wannabee
that finds himself or herself within shouting distance of the starting line
on race day.
 I applaud your desire to run a marathon.  It takes a great deal of
discipline and effort to prepare for the event.  It takes as much of both of
those to put one on (if not more).  Rather than running in the back door, why
not actually enter one in your area?  Who knows?  You might even earn your
way into Boston.
 I'm sure the crowd will flame me if I have over-stepped the bounds of
decency here, and I apologize if I have.  Running unregistered just doesn't
feel right to me.


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From: murphy@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (james michael murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: US Olympic Trials
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:50:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Apr14.205005.2128
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science


>  Did anybody watch the ridiculous coverage on NBC on Sunday ?  In an
>hour show, there may have been about 10 minutes of running shown.
>It came off as a hour commercial for the Triplecast pay per view
>coverage. Any fan who watched the telecast should be real worried if
>that was a practice run for the Olympics coverage.  We can look forward
>to lots of pictures of Barcelona, features on various stuff, lots of
>commercials, and maybe then they'll sneak in the last lap of the 5000m
>or a few minutes of the marathon.

What, you didn't like the showcasing job they did for
Columbus in this quincentennial year!?  I thought that
was the purpose of the telecast.

-Jim
From: sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Hail to thee AVIA!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:14:55 GMT
Organization: dead runners society
X-Bytes: 999

In article <92101.164447AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>hey now,
>   Many thanks to the Oregonian runner who recommended the AVIA 2050s to me.
>I was suffering from iliotibial band syndrome and could not seem to shake the
>injury. I tried a few different pairs of shoes but the pain always started to
>reappear. Finally, I purchased a pair of 2050s and have been pain-free for
>the last week. It feels so good to run without pain. I'm out of shape but
>happy to be back on the road. Thanks again!!!!!!!
>                      Ramble on,  Rich

I don't know many people who run in AVIA's... how do they compare to Nike's
and ASICS? Do they have something like a GEL or AIR cushion?

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Christopher Mark Conn                                       sascmc@unx.sas.com
Systems Administrator / AIX Host Development         
SAS Institute Inc. PO Box 200075 Austin, Texas 78720-0075 (512) 258-5171 X3369
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Nike Air Structure?
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 09:18:17 MST
Organization: Arizona State University

Hey now,
  Well, it appears that the Air Huarache's that resulted in my iliotibial
band syndrome were defective (according to Nike). As a result, they have
offered to replace my Huarche's with the Air Structure. I don't know much
(anything!) about this model. Can you help? I do need a shoe for over-
pronators and I do mostly offroad running. For the price I paid for the
Huarache's I want to make sure the Structure is an appropriate shoe for
me.
  For now, I'd just like to know if anyone is running in these shoes
and has any general comments about them. Thanks in advance.
                     Ramble on, Rich

p.s. Good luck in Boston!!!!
From: sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: the easter bunny is dead and the drs is broke
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:20:11 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 1014

In article <1992Apr16.184924.9456@unx.sas.com> sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn) writes:
>Hi dead runners reading rec.running...
>
>I think they are having hardware problems at UT, so the
>DRS list is broke for a while. I'm waiting for a call
>back from our listserv manager to find out what happened,
>hopefully we will be back online soon.
> 

The DRS is working again, we used up our disk space and had to free some up.
BTW: The list will be working tomorrow (Good Friday) but the digest may
     not go out tomorrow, since the machine I work on may or may not be
     availiable. If not, I'll try to get it out over the weekend.
 
Happy holidays to all of you if I don't get a chance to post again!

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Christopher Mark Conn                                       sascmc@unx.sas.com
Systems Administrator / AIX Host Development         
SAS Institute Inc. PO Box 200075 Austin, Texas 78720-0075 (512) 258-5171 X3369
Xref: sparky rec.running:1099 misc.fitness:3512
From: lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Sleeping after eating (was Re: Weight (was Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space))
Keywords: weight
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:40:32 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

> 	I was reading soc.culture.japan, and somebody asked how can the
> Sumo wrestlers (those big-fat Japanese wrestlers) gain weight in wrestling
> school so fast.  The answers were that they eat a lot of "chyanko" (like
> noodles and vegtable) and "take a nap after every meal so they don't burn 
> up the calories."
> 	It doesn't sound logical to me at all because I don't think it make
> any difference when the calories are burne.  Besides, sleeping after a meal 
> is unhealthy.  U should be awake to digest the food properly, right!

Whoa, wait a minute...i've often *heard* that sleeping after meals &
going to bed right after dinner is unrecommended for people trying
to lose weight, but could someone *please* back this up & explain 
it to me?  I don't understand how this makes sense.

Thanks

hook 'em!   ~\/~
From: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matt Flash Bouma)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Blister problems
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:23:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	I was hoping that someone out there could help me with
my blister problem.  I have very tender feet and seem to constantly
getting blisters.  I am a toe runner, so I end up getting most of
the blisters on my big toes and also all along the bottom of the foot
underneath the pinky toe.  The problem is not bunchy socks or anything
like that because I have tried everything and am presently running
in fairly thick acrylic socks which have helped some.  I was wondering
if there was anything I could do to protect or build up my feet in
order to avoid such problems.  The problem is even worse when I run
on indoor tracks for races and such because I am running so much
on my toes and side of the feet.  Which I guess is another question I
have.  What is the best kind of training when forced to run indoors
on a 200m track?  I like to run fast, but as said before, blisters
form quickly and even the knees hurt after a while because of the
forced change in running style.  If it is any help,  I am 6'0" ,
165 lbs. and wish to run sub two minute 800m and about 4:30 1600m.
Does trying to train on an indoor track hurt or help me more when
I can't reach a pace that I would out on the roads?  Thanks in advance
for the help.
		Flash


.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cognion@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Thirty-two and jammin'!)
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s: Get the facts first
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Apr 1992 10:04 EST  

In article <1992Apr9.205936.5314@cs.ucla.edu>, page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu 
(Thomas Page) writes...
>What I found out was that the Boston organizers encourage unregistered runners
>and do prepare for them, supply water, etc.  They just ask that unregistered
>runners start at the back of the pack.
> 
>So while bandit runners are to be discouraged in general, it is not so at 
>Boston.
>So let's lay off Rocket Ron Spangler.
> 
>Tom

Thanks for the information!  Sorry, Ron.
           ----------Rita
From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Info on marathons?
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:28:20 GMT
 <2183@transfer.stratus.com>
Organization: Arizona State University

Hey now,
   It was the January issue of Runner's World that listed 235 marathons
and the contact person for each.
                      Ramble on,  Rich
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: saj@b15.b15.ingr.com (Steve Jernigan)
Subject: Knees (Osgood Schlatter Syndrome)
Keywords: knees osgood schlatter injury
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:13:24 GMT



Has anyone had any experience or just some good solid factual knowledge
about Osgood Schlatter Syndrome?

Inquiring minds want to know.....

Steve J.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Nike Air Structure?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:31:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92105.091817AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Hey now,
>  Well, it appears that the Air Huarache's that resulted in my iliotibial
>band syndrome were defective (according to Nike). As a result, they have
>offered to replace my Huarche's with the Air Structure. I don't know much
>(anything!) about this model. Can you help? I do need a shoe for over-
>pronators                                                        ^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^
Why did you buy the Huarache's when you are an overpronator -
they were only designed for those who are neutral and need very
little support 

>and I do mostly offroad running. For the price I paid for the
>Huarache's I want to make sure the Structure is an appropriate shoe for
>me.
>  For now, I'd just like to know if anyone is running in these shoes
>and has any general comments about them. Thanks in advance.
>                     Ramble on, Rich
>
>p.s. Good luck in Boston!!!!

Shane Esau
From: prbrett@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOHN BRETT)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Runners Knee (say it aint so doc)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.13APR199212355090
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I know there's been a variety of postings on this topic of late. Here's 
another.

From Thanksgiving to March I trained.  Then I paid my fee to enter Boston 
and went on the long awaited trip to Austin TX to put the finishing touches 
on the prep.  A couple of speed workouts and a twenty miler.  After the 
first speed workout my knee really bothered me and it only got worse. (no 
more speed workouts or 20 miler).

Back home the doc said (after ruling out foot problems) that tight 
hamstrings appear to have caused an inflamation of some tissue which caused 
kneecap irritation. (He had better techno phrases). He prescribed a 
rigourous stretching routine.

My question to the running world is 
a. Is there a average recovery time from this kind of injury?
b. Is there anything I should avoid while recovering (beside hill &speed)?
c. Are there any secret stretching tips or magic formulas that speed up 
recovery?
d. Is the RN ever a mistaken diagonosis for something more serious?

Once again, sorry if this post is repetitious of others. I never read the 
others because I thought it would never happen to me. Good luck to all you 
Boston runners, esp. Jeanne C from Cleveland.  Someday I be there.
From: pfz@sei.cmu.edu (Paul Zarrella)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:49:14 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <1992Apr9.131632.29184@uc.msc.edu> jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.224723.19575@schbbs.mot.com> tolar@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar) writes:
>>Running unregistered just doesn't feel right to me.
>>
>But come on.  Let those who have earned it run and enjoy *ALL* of the glory.

I'm starting to hear those drums beating again...
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai)
Subject: The Marathon Olympic Trials in Columbus
Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu
Reply-To: pali+@osu.edu
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:02:07 GMT

for i in 1 2 3...10^6 do echo WORLD:ENVY ME!!! done

I live right on the route of the Columbus Marathon, near the 6 mile sign. So
much fun every year. Today is the big day for the Olymic Trials. I was
standing at the 10 km sign and saw all of them (111 altoghether). #71 was
leading the bunch by about 20 meters (31:24 at 10km) and #72 was the last by
about 1 min. Take care...Paul

Paul Nevai                            pali+@osu.edu (Internet)
Department of Mathematics             nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Internet)
The Ohio State University             nevai@ohstpy (BITNET)
P.O. Box 3341                         1-(614)-292-3317 (Office)
Columbus, Ohio 43210-0341             1-(614)-292-5310 (Answering Machine)
The United States of America          1-(614)-459-5615 (FAX)
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Where can I get good proces on running shoes?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:51:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1992Apr6.155106.7234
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Originator: stgprao@xing

In article <2617@spool.mu.edu> tomb@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Tom Baas) writes:
>Hi,
>But the price of new shoes is now FAR OUT of my PRICE RANGE!!

Do a cost analysis compared to other activities.
Running, even with expensive shoes, falls is lower than just about anything
else- somehting like $0.10 a mile or less than a dollar an hour.
Most other sports, movies, concerts, books, driving cost much more.
TV and library books are less.
Also the cost reduction of being healthy and in shape can be substantial too.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: wms@zycor.lgc.com ()
Subject: race announcement
Originator: wms@miles.zycor.lgc.com
Organization: Landmark/Zycor  (Austin TX)
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:06:15 GMT

On December 13, the Austin Runner's Club will be putting on the 14'th
annual Decker Challenge.  The Decker Challenge takes place on an
11.2-mile, hilly course on country roads just east of Austin, Texas.
There will be two races held on the course: the single Decker (running
the course once) and the double Decker, which (running the course
twice).

We are also considering a relay race for two-runner relay teams.

The Decker Challenge is an excellent training run for those of you who plan
on doing a winter or spring Marathon.

I'll post more information as the race gets closer.  Mark in on your calendar!
Xref: sparky rec.running:1028 sci.med:8472
From: siddarth@cs.utexas.edu (Siddarth Subramanian)
Newsgroups: rec.running,sci.med
Subject: Plastic hips and running
Date: 9 Apr 1992 10:51:26 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paducah.cs.utexas.edu


A friend of a friend would like to hear from people with plastic hips
who run. In particular, if you are anywhere near the Austin area, he'd
also like to know your experiences with surgeons here for this
operation (he apparently is a runner who needs to have this
operation).

If you could send a copy of your response directly to the following
address (copy to the net only if you think it would be of general
interest), it would be much appreciated:

morris.molly@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu

(Molly is the friend whose friend needs this surgery).

Thanks

-- 

Siddarth Subramanian          INTERNET: siddarth@cs.utexas.edu
Austin, Texas                 UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!siddarth
From: jgr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Rohrbaugh)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:45:10 GMT
Subject: Re: track measurement
Organization: lunch
Newsgroups: rec.running

In rec.running, ralpht@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Tiberio) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> How is a 1/4 mile track measured, from the inside lane or the outside lane? 
> I am trying to time myself in a mile run and need to know what lane I 
> should be running in for an exact mile.

The inside lane.  However, make sure that you are not running on a 400
meter track.  Otherwise you will be roughly (off the top of my head) 10
meters short of a mile.

Good luck,

John

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: deep water pool running
    <1992Apr1.171910.27397@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <NGJHBMZR@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:18:44 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <NGJHBMZR@cc.swarthmore.edu> ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer) writes:

[stuff omitted]
>WORKOUTS  We do about the same amount of time in the pool as we would do in
>        a run.  However, since your muscles are surrounded by cool water, the
>        'breakdown' effect (muscular micro-traumas) is minimal.  Therefore, 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't believe that the lack of micro-trauma has anything to do 
with the muscles being surrounded by water.  Rather it is lack 
of pounding that prevents repetitive micro-trauma.  Bicycling and 
cross-country skiing also allow one to perform at a high level 
on consecutive days without beating one's legs up.

>        your body can repeat a high level of exertion on consecutive days.  If
>        an athlete's longest run of the week was 60 minutes and they only did
>        that once, they might be able to do that 2-4 times a week in the pool.
>        Granted, not many athletes would want to run in the pool that long
>        with that frequency.

Charles Yeomans
cyeomans@ms.uky.edu
yeomans@austin.onu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Children and Running?
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.182008.18840@arcturus.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com> fittery@arcturus.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com (Elmer Fittery) writes:
>Was there ever any evidence that lots of running caused health
>problems related to arthuritis.  Seems in the 60's that a lot of
>medical people said by the late 80's and early 90's we would have
>thousands of crippled up ex-runners.  Any comments?

Someone in the Stanford Medical School did an arthritis study in long term runners,
nad found no difference.  However, I don't know if this is a valid study.
People prone to the illness may stop exercising before the symptoms appear.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: fittery@arcturus.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com (Elmer Fittery)
Subject: damage to growth plates from children running?
Organization: Rockwell International
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:22:36 GMT

My son is 10 and runs 4 to 5 times a week for about 30 minutes
at a pace of 5.5 miles per hour.  Is there any data that supports
the fact that too much running can damage a childs growth plates?

In the 60's the medical establishment felt that lots of running
would cause problems as the runners aged.  It was felt in 20 or
30 years the runners would be crippled.  Did this ever come about?