HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 06:13:32 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:

> >phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
> >> Doesn't have anything to do with the filesystem.  The DEFAULT mode to read
> >> a file is "TEXT" mode, in which case a ^Z is treated as EOF.
> 
> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> >That sure sounds like filesystem behavior to me.
> 
> You had better get out those beginning computer science books again.

> Now, on the other hand... the DOS file access routines by default treat
> a ^Z as an EOF.  This has nothing to do with the underlying filesystem.
> If you took the DOS access routines, and ran them on a UNIX, OS/2, MAC or
> *any* other filesystem, they would still be braindamaged.

Well, as McLuhan said, "the medium is the message."  You're technically
correct, Phil.  But, as a practical matter, where does one separate a
filesystem from the methods available to access that filesystem?
Besides, the filesystem IS broken.  (11-character filenames, arranged
8.3, with no case sensitivity)  So, if you ran Unix, OS/2 or MAC access
routines on a DOS filesystem, you still wouldn't overcome its
shortcomings.

This is leaving the Waffle domain.  Perhaps we should take it to
alt.religion.computers?
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
   "I like Santa Claus as well as the next guy, but do you really want a
   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me
From: jerryg@jaiser.rain.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Archive-Server Requests to Halcyon.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:25:23 PST
Organization: Jerry's Attic, Gaston OR

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> jerryg@jaiser.rain.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
> 
> >And as I discovered last night, don't append a signature because the
> >server craps out with too many errors.
> 
> Placing the word 'quit' (no quotes, of course) as the last command
> in the requests stops processing at that point, so the sig file gets
> ignored.  There's a lot of stuff in 'help' that's worth reading.
> If it wouldn't be unmanageable, a database of requestors could be
> kept and a help file sent to anyone making a request that wasn't
> in the current database.
> 

I'll try that, as I have had a he!! of a time getting anything useful
from the server. It's just kind of hard to get help when you don't know
what to send.

--
Jerry Gaiser (jerryg@jaiser.rain.com)              (voice) 503-359-4017
Fidonet 1:105/380                                    (bbs) 503-359-5111
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From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Bufu?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:36:38 EST
Reply-To: <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG> (Gess Shankar)
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

What is Bufu?

Exercise for the reader, the doc says. Exercise in futility, I say.
I am clueless after the said exercise.

GeSS
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Mail Servers...
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:07:03 GMT

gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue) writes:


>  Does there exist a list of mail servers on the net? It would be nice to
>  have a list of all available file request servers for access.

sigh...
the (probably) definitive Waffle archive is on halycon.com, which supports
anon-ftp and mail-based-fileserving.

There is a list of anon-ftp sites that is literally thousands of lines
posted monthly to news.answers

>  ps: it might be better to email me since my current host is munging 
>  news feeds.

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> User Calls: 812      User Posts: 351    Waffle Version: 1.65
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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:07:34 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman) writes:

> In <D76iwB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
> >larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman) writes:
> 
> >> Lessee here? What is the agenda? ...Cary, NC. Ahhh? Is that where the 
> >> IBM company has a development laboratory for OS/2 stuff???
> >Yes.
> >> Ahhh? Pat, do you work for the IBM company?
> >No.
> >No hidden agenda here.  I'd simply like to see a native OS/2 version of
> >Helldiver.
> 
> Just testing! :-)
> 
> So, I do have another question.
> My understanding is that OS/2 will run Windows applications "out of the box".
> If this is the case, then why would anyone want (need) to write 2 platform 
> specific implementations of a FreeWare newsreader for Waffle? 


Yes it will...but you have the extra overhead of windows, plus your really
still stuck with DOS limitations.  Plus, you can't take advantage of OS/2's
full potential. 

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From: Jonathan Herr <herrj%valnet@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Caller statistics (awk program)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:17:55 EST
Organization: WVCF, Vincennes, IN, USA

rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:

<> I saw the stats that someone had put up about the admin/caller file,
<> but I wanted *MORE!*   So I went nuts with awk... Here is an example
<> run:

[ ... ]

<> I'll send the awk program out if somebody wants it...

Mail to you bounces from IU.  Please put them on halcyon.com for mail
requests.  Thanks!  It looks really good.  May you go absolutely
insane with AWK!



Jonathan R Herr                             I can't quit you, babe.
herrj@valnet.uucp                           I guess I'll have to put you down
WVCF System Administrator                   For a little while ....
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WHERE IS HELLDIVER
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:09:44 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

Try the Heart of Gold - +1 814 238-9633.  It's in /file/ibm/bbs .

  Bill
From: Jonathan Herr <herrj%n@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: AGAIN - USER VALIDATION & FILES - AGAIN 
Keywords: validation, files 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 14:21:54 EST
Organization: WVCF, Vincennes, IN, USA
Disclaimer: Author responsible for contents

nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian) writes:

# PROBLEM: Users cann't access FILES area even after being validated (VAL).
#          "Validation is required to use the FILES section." message generated

Check the file /waffle/docs/files.doc for your answers.  It should be
right in the first part of it.

# The problem remains unchanged, EXECPT, there seems to be a workaround: If
# I up the PRIVILEGE level (with ADMIN S) to "9" then the user can access
# the FILES area! 

**************************************************************************
ALERT!  ALERT!  ALERT!!!!!  You're moving into very dangerous
territory if you are giving any user privilege 9.
**************************************************************************

# So, the problem does NOT seem to be related to "errors" in /waffle/system/dir
# in /static, missing directories, etc. since that prevent even a user with 
# PRIV=9 to access FILES... Once in there, all seems normal.

This is because a privilege of 9 will allow access to ANY directory
on the current drive.
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Anonymous UUCP Waffle Connections
Summary: Actual implementation included in re-follow-up
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:52:03 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> This is wrong.  It needs to run uucico with the flags -panonymous -uanonymous
> Create another errorlevel for anonymous UUCP.

Got the nuucp account setup to #exit 65,
added /exit=65 to \extern\_system,
and added the following lines to \bin\run.bat:

IF ERRORLEVEL ==  65 GOTO NUUCP

:NUUCP
CALL NUUCP.BAT
GOTO TOP


I created \bin\nuucp.bat with the following line:

uucico -r -panonymous -uanonymous


Now, assuming the above is correct, is it necessary to add a line
similar to the below to the \uucp\systems file?:

anonymous       Never g T3000 toUnix 123-4567 nuucp xxxxxxxx


I created the \spool\anonymou (no s intended per DOS's 8.3
limitation) subdirectory to match the above \systems entry.  Is
this also needed?

btw--Thanks Bill for the follow-up...

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Anonymous UUCP Waffle Connections
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:34:33 GMT

In article <cD0kwB3w165w@slic.cts.com> mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:
|I want to explore this area of waffle but am a little fuzzy on
|the set-up.
|
|This account does the normal exit #40.

This is wrong.  It needs to run uucico with the flags -panonymous -uanonymous.
Create another errorlevel for anonymous UUCP.

  Bill
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5539 comp.mail.uucp:2422
From: davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 10:35:43 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #8, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol) writes:

- Andrew M. Dunn (amdunn@mongrel.UUCP) wrote:
- 
- : True.  But, unlike the US (and, to a lesser extent, Canada) they don't
- : appear to insist on a geographical hierarchy.
- : 
- : THAT'S what people don't like about the .US domain.   Or the .CA 
- : domain.
- 
- I haven't seen that many Canadian addresses that ARE geographical.
- 
- : :  Andy Dunn           <amdunn@mongrel.UUCP> or <dunn5177@mach1.WLU.CA>   :
-                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- 						  is this geographical or
- 						  is it the address of some
- 						  organization???
- 
- -- 
   The address of my site shows one of the reasons why.  The address gets 
pretty long, especially for the dozen or so sites in my "park".

   For example:

outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 	

  Users of this site are designated by their full names in the form

charles.mcgillicuddy

  Stick a user@ in front of that and it gets to be a bit of a 
mouthful:

charles.mcgillicuddy@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

  But you know where he is!

Dave McCrady              davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: The UUCP network hasn't a tree structure (for some strange unexp
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:27:03 GMT

dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:

>bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly) writes:
>> What makes you think the UUCP network has a tree structure?

>I can't speak for other parts of the UUCP network, but my own little
>piece of it is an undirected graph.  That is, each link is bi-directional.
>And, many of the several sites with which I net have links between one
>another, each of which is itself bi-directional.

willard, please take this shit somewhere where people care, huh?
this discussion has nothing to do with Waffle.

-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
	Heineken uncertainty principle: you can never be sure how many
		beers you had last night.
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: The Waffle Bowl
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 21:03:07 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

Any Wafflers who happen to follow jock-college football will have observed
that in recent years most of the bowl games have been renamed after various
commercial interests.  Believe it or not, one of Today's games was called the 
"IBM OS/2 Fiesta Bowl"!!  Tom Dell, are you going to be upstaged by IBM?
You'd better start planning now for the 1994 Waffle Bowl!  With a couple of
teams and a place to play, you can burn Waffle into the consciousness of the
American public right alongside of OS/2!  A Silicon Valley site for the game
would be most appropriate, of course, e.g. Stanford Stadium or Candlestick 
Park.  For teams, I suggest UC Berkeley (Unix) vs U of Washington or U of 
Seattle (MS-DOS).  Maybe you could even get the International House of Pan-
cakes to help with the funding.  (BTW, I  don't want any credit for the idea;
just consider it to be my gift to the Waffle community!)  :^)

   ___            _                                           -  Bob
   /__) _   /    / ) _   _
(_/__) (_)_(_)  (___(_)_(/_______________________________________ bob@1776.COM
Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, Massachusetts 01776 ** 508-443-3265
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:54:48 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

> In <B4okwB2w165w@tcscs.UUCP> tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood
> 
> >Yes it will...but you have the extra overhead of windows, plus your really
> >still stuck with DOS limitations.  Plus, you can't take advantage of OS/2's
> >full potential. 
> 
> Excuse me, but no, if you run a Windows application in OS/2 you WONT have
> any extra overhead, OS/2 does NOT load Windows, it has its own emulator
> of Windows 3.0.

It's not an emulator.  OS/2 uses the actual Windows 3.0 code.  Same
code, same overhead.

-- 
Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   |  "Somebody has to be the grownups,
pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  and now it's our turn."
**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |  -- Dave Barry
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Feed sites...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:58:13 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Recently I've moved dithots from GA to NC... of course, this constitutes
  looking for a new feed. Could someone email me the NC portion of the
  uumaps? Also, anyone got any ideas on a possible feed site that would
  be able to handle a relatively lite feed in the Charlotte area?

  email please... my current feed isn't operating correctly so I've often 
  been with c.b.w for days :-(

  bill

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 User Calls: 806      User Posts: 336    Waffle Version: 1.65
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From: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver is awesome!
Keywords: Helldiver,MS-Windows,waffle,reader
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:38:59 GMT
Reply-To: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
Organization: The Birdsong Company, PO Box 2031, Sunnyvale CA 94087-2031

In <4mJkwB3w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
>system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood) writes:

>> You'll need the simms and the disk space, but you WON'T need to reconfigure
>> Waffle at all. I use Helldiver sporadically.. when I want it, I run Windows.
>> When I don't want it, Windows isn't running. Simple.
>> 
>> I never did find a way to get my Waffle, along with its various extensions,
>> to run concurrently with Windows and still make outgoing calls, or reliably
>> answer incoming ones. No major loss.

>That'd be a major loss for me as I run a public access site. When I
>say 'reconfigure Waffle', what I mean is I have the system deeply
>imbedded in Desqview, with background tasks that get spawned here
>and there. I couldn't even run the system at a flat DOS level without
>changing all sorts of things.

Waffle runs here on a machine running windows. It answers the phone, it makes
calls, it does just fine. Now, there's some tinkering I had to do to get
the cheap serial board (really a an IDE disk controller, floppy controller,
2 serial, 1 parallel and a game port. All on one board!) to work reliably under
Windows. The board has a single VLSI chip that does it all. The MSD
program reports a 8250 chip as the serial UART chip. Sigh... No opportunity
to change the chip for a 16550AFN. What the flip! The machine was fairly cheap.

In any case, I had to remove the "locked" static file statement; it had been set
to 19200. This fixed it fine. Windows took care of the hardware handshaking, and
has not dropped a bit. I did loose some serial through put though. As plain
DOS, the I consistently got 850 cps using the NEC 9631 modem, a V.32 box, when
locked at 19200 and using the BNU fossil driver. Under Windows it now consitently 
gets about 650 cps; not locked, "speed" in the static file says: 9600, no
fossil driver. [FWIW, I would not recommend the NEC modem; if you wanna know why,
ask me privately.]

If you want some real serial I/O speed under windows, check out "Charging Through
the Windows Communication Bottleneck", p422,  an article in "Windows Sources" 
magazine, a brand new ZiffDavis rag. The article, by Randall Kennedy, reviews 3 
products aleging to speed up Windows serial I/O. ZD gives their imprimatur to 
"Telcor Systems' T/Port Adapter" $99.00 introductory price [800-826-2938]. 
This serial card has a 2 16K (Yes, that's 16 KiloBits!) of on board buffer (separate
16K send and receive buffers!) ZD's tests say that the card will support 
115 KBits/Sec under Windows with heavy loads in other Windows! The other products 
reviewed also got generally high marks (because they advertize in ZD rags?): 
Hayes ESP adapter, and TurboCom (software drivers only, no hardware required).

Regards,
  larry.

-- 
--
Larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5618 comp.mail.uucp:2448
From: mwallis%saturn@lunacity.com
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 11:19:21 PST
Organization: saturn - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Sunnyvale, CA

sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol) writes:

> I haven't seen that many Canadian addresses that ARE geographical.
> 
> : :  Andy Dunn           <amdunn@mongrel.UUCP> or <dunn5177@mach1.WLU.CA>   :
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 						  is this geographical or
> 						  is it the address of some
> 						  organization???

My guess would be Waterloo Lutheran University under the CA domain (and
skipping, for some reason, the ON Ontario domain).

The thing to remember is that CA is also the CALIFORNIA domain here in the
US, and I've occassionally been caught by stupid mailers that refuse to
look outside the US when building paths. I solved the problem by switching
SmartHosts to somebody reasonable.

        Michael
        (Canadian living in California)

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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: sysman... NOT!
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:52:27 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

mw@pandora.mei.open.de (Martin Welk) writes:

> Check your configuration ! If it isn't a buggy Waffle version, it
> should work. It works fine here :-) !
     Hey! There's no such thing as a buggy version... It might have
erroneous tendancies, or undocumented features, but there are NO bugs! ;-)


                              --Jeff

..."If you don't pay the exorcist, you get repossessed."
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From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Problems with nwreader and helldiver
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:41:47 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

In <DuLRwB4w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

>I write code that will recognize the parameter either with or without
>quotes. Waffle seems to do the same as I use both forms and have no
>problems. Maybe Helldiver is specifically coded to use a quoted string?

It wasn't meant to be - a stuff up in the loop which either leaves the last
character off or adds one too many is usually the cause of these problems,
and was in this case.  A much more robust interpreter (I hope) will be in
the 1.08 release, which will come out as soon as I can tear myself away from
tinkering with the Helldiver Packet Format.  Any minute now. :-)

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WafflineMail with Waffle 1.65..does it work?
Date: 27 Dec 92 09:54:35 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <Bzu9pK.Cp2@eis.calstate.edu> afavela@eis.calstate.edu (Alonso Favela) writes:
>	Does wafflinemail 1.0 work with waffle 1.65. In the docs it said
>that it worked with 1.64, and since there are different mailbox
>structures, I wanted to ask before I might mess things up. Does anyone
>have WaffLineMail working with 1.65?  

>Thanks,
>Alonso Favela
>afavela@eis.calstate.edu


Speaking for myself, NO.  That is I never was able to make Waffline 1.0 
work with Waffle 1.65.  I someone HAS been able, please tell me and Alonso
how.


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