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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Perot's "Platform" Posted to the Usenet
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:28:33 GMT

In <1992Oct15.195132.5409@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>In article mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>>The problem is not just that you posted it to the entire world instead
>>of just the U.S., but you cross-posted it all over creation as well.
>>What, pray tell, does this have to do with computers, other than that
>>this gives a wider audience and you are posting on one?

>As I said in my original post (did you read it?), I posted it to pertinent
>newsgroups, that is, where Perot talks about issues directly related to
>the subject of the newsgroup.  If I really wanted to post this to all of
>creation and get the maximal coverage, I would've cross-posted it to alt.sex,
>alt.binaries.pictures.d and soc.motss as well, but I didn't, since Perot did
>not *directly* touch upon issues pertinent to those newsgroups.

I read what you said, but that doesn't make it pertinent.

>With respect to computers, Perot discussed his "Electronic Town Hall" concept,
>which is definitely of interest to the computer community, thus the cross-post
>to comp.misc (it would've also been pertinent to some of the network groups
>in the comp.* hierarchy but I didn't post there thinking that comp.misc would
>be adequate).

Everything I've ever seen Perot say about his 'Electronic Town Hall'
has to do with TELEVISION, not computers.  In any case, that strikes
me as a pretty damned thin reason (read "excuse") for posting it here.
Politics groups are appropriate for political platforms.  Computer
groups don't seem quite germane, to me.  Does your reasoning also mean
that the whole Clinton/Gore plan should be posted here, since a small
part of it deals with Senator Gore's call to establish an inexpensive
high-speed fiber-optic data network?

>And be thankful that I cross-posted it rather than sending it to one newsgroup
>at a time.

Why?  I should be thankful you weren't WORSE?  Sure, that makes good
sense.  Thanks for not being TOTALLY clueless, Jon; only partially
clueless is MUCH better.

>I've said enough.  I'll let you have the last word.

Why, thank you very much.  And in the name of discouraging sophomoric
little debating ploys like this one, I will take it.

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From: michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend)
Subject: Re: Perot's "Platform" Posted to the Usenet
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:32:47 GMT

hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:

>In <1992Oct13.235821.13401@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>>Carefully read this document before deciding on who you will vote for
>>President come Election Day.  And of course, get off your kaziski (a.k.a.
>>butt) and VOTE!

>I'd love to.  Trouble is, there are no elections in my country this year.
>Can I come over to your country and vote?

>--
>Hans Mulder			hansm@cs.kun.nl

[sarcasm on]
WHAT?  You mean they have computers in other countries?  You mean the
network is INTERNATIONAL???  Really?
No wonder we are sometimes accused of being arrogant and ignorant! We 
either don't know how to limit distribution to U.S., or we think
everyone in the world needs to hear what we say!
[sarcasm off]
Michael Townsend
michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu
Ok Ok Ok   here it is:         :-)



Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: oprrrmx@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Robert McCullough)
Subject: Computer posters for office
Organization: Georgia State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:06:56 GMT

Anyone know where to order or get any computer posters for my office?
Please post my mail sys isn't behaving. Thanks!
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From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.text
Subject: Re: Origin of QWERTY
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:54:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: sekrit.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: ct@dde.dk's message of 14 Oct 92 08:23:44 GMT

>>>>> On 14 Oct 92 08:23:44 GMT, ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering) said:

Claus> It is frequently claimed that the QWERTY-keyboard was
Claus> originally designed so that frequently used letter combinations
Claus> were close together.  (This later turned out to be a bad idea,
Claus> but that's another story.)

This is exactly backwards.  The original typewriters were purely
mechanical, and not all that fast, i.e. it was easy for the typists to
get ahead of themselves and jam up the arms.  So he redesigned the
keyboard to intentionally slow down the typists.  

The 'dvorak' keyboard is designed to speed up typing speeds by putting
all the most frequently used keys on the home row.  I remember reading
that they found no real difference in typing speeds between the two
though, and the big problem of moving from one type to the other.
Hell, I get annoyed when they move the control key down to the lower
left instead of just outside of the caps lock key!

				John
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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Re: Can't you run unix on a 386?
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:54:36 GMT

twriter1@pencom.com asks :
> .. I bought the book "Build your own 386 and save a bundle."  He
> doesn't list unix as one of the possible operating systems.
> Can't you run unix on a 386 ?

Of course you can.
You can eat peas with a knife, fork, spoon, or garden spade, and, 
if speed, is not critical, a toothpick.  A Britsh bloke named Al Turing
proved it in a factory canteen in 1936.  A foreign bloke named Church
had a similiar idea about spaghetti, so food scientists sometimes
call this fundamental idea the Church(-Turing) Thesis.

(Or did you just mean how can you get a 386 Unix ?)

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada

Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: hardekop@owlnet.rice.edu (Christopher James Hardekopf)
Subject: Re: Building a computer
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:26:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.202518.6821@pencom.com> twriter1@pencom.com writes:
>Does anyone have information on how to build,
>say, an IBM-compatible PC?  Is this possible?
>I see so many ads in magazines for components, I just
>wondered if one could construct a whole computer
>out of them.  

Yes, it is possible (after all, they do, in fact sell all of the 
commponents that you need).  It is not even very hard.

>Has anyone out there undertaken such a project?

If you have never done anything of the sort before, I would recommend
that you either get a book on upgrading a PC or talk to someone
who has done it, not really for detailed information, but to find
out the easy way what you can and can't get away with while fooling
around with the commponents.

hardekop@owlnet.rice.edu



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My opinions are my own and are copywrited.
Any attempt to claim as your own could be prosecuted.

But probably won't.
From: moysan@irisa.fr (Erwan Moysan)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: 2 questions
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:37:19 GMT
Reply-To: moysan@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA, Rennes, France

Hello,

First :
has somebody a paper about computers and history ? I mean the history of
computers from 1/1/1 to 8/10/92 ? Including shots or pictures. I would be
very glad if you could send it to me via email (latex, PostScript or Frame).

Second:
Does anybody have an idea of what is the most used application in the world.
I've been told that 90% of the applications running in the world are databases.
True ? And what abour the others ?


Thanks.
 
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EMail: Erwan.MOYSAN@Irisa.Fr - Phone: (33) 99.84.72.90 - Fax: (33).99.38.38.32
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From: scifi@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Help, Mouse trouble!!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:02:17 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Help Please

I need to find out the pins designations on a Microsoft compatible mouse.  if
anyone can help me, I'd be truly grateful
From: U26043@uicvm.uic.edu (SALIM)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: 14.4 & 9600 modem 4 sale
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:53:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92289.165307U26043
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

The following modems are for sale.

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9600 fax group III systems compatible.  14.4k modem v.32bis,
mnp5, v.42 & v.42 bis error correction. (throughput of upto 57,600bps)
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Scheduled transmission & fax broadcast. (Send multiple faxes)
more .........

       Price .................... $69.00

Please note: Both  these modems are brand new with 5 year warranty.  Price
             does not include s/h. In Illinois add 7.75% tax.

If interested please email or call.


                                  SALIM LAKHA
                                 U26043@UICVM.UIC.EDU
                                  (708)673-0915
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.invest,misc.jobs.misc,misc.legal,misc.misc,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Perot's "Platform" Posted to the Usenet
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:41:43 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct15.195132.5409@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
    [And attempts to defend his poor netiquette of posting all over
    the !@#$!@#$ network....]

    Must be something about small minds that just can't stand to see
    fewer than a dozen newsgroups splattered with their drivel.
>
>As I said in my original post (did you read it?), I posted it to pertinent
>newsgroups, that is, where Perot talks about issues directly related to
>the subject of the newsgroup.  
   
      Most users of the 'net know where to find political postings 
      IF THEY WANT TO.  

      In case you are totally out of touch with reality, when you
      post all over the place you chew up terabytes of storage on
      all the news-feed systems.  

      Obviously from your follow-on posting, you haven't a clue
      about either netiquette or these facts.

      And no, it is NEVER worth reading ANY posting with more than
      two or three groups in the distribution....   massive
      cross-posters are always plagued by severe delusions of
      adequacy.  

      I'm sure you mean well, but could you please stifle your
      Messianic zeal a bit, and be aware that not everyone really
      gives a rat to read your overly posted trash?
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From: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Seagate ST-251 Help
Organization: iX-Redaktion
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:40:24 GMT


Me at your place, I would throw out the 40 MB disk and 
replace it by a modern IDE disk/controller combination 
instead of mounting new tires at your VW buggy. This 
would be the choice with the best price/performance 
relation. 

-- 

|Dipl.-Ing. Harald Milz                   |    EMail:		hm@ix.de |
|iX - Multiuser Multitasking Magazin      |    FAX:    +49 511 547 47 33 |
|D-3000 Hannover 61, Helstorfer Str. 7    |    Tel.:   +49 511 547 47 66 |
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From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.text
Subject: Origin of QWERTY
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:23:44 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

It is frequently claimed that the QWERTY-keyboard was originally
designed so that frequently used letter combinations were close together.
(This later turned out to be a bad idea, but that's another story.)

My problem is, that I find this hard to believe. Sure, I can see that
the letters in words such as "was" and "were" are placed close together.
But what about other common combinations? The letters in common words
such as "and", "or", "is" and "the" are not placed particularly close
together. And common letter combinations such as "qu", "wh" and "sh"
are also quite far from one another. So is the popular explanation of
the origin of the QWERTY-keyboard perhaps just a myth?
-- 
Claus Tondering
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ct@dde.dk
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Can't you run unix on a 386?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.163510.12280@den.mmc.com> kbowles@den.mmc.com (mac bowles) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.181002.17295@pencom.com> twriter1@pencom.com writes:
>>
>>I repeat:
>>	"Can't you run unix on a 386?"
>>
>>BTW--To anybody who responded to my previous post
>>on building a computer Thanks a mil!
>
>Of course you can. There are several flavors, SCO having at least two types (that's
>Santa Cruz Operation, a company that makes unix for PC platforms). There are others
>out there whose names I can't recall at the moment but I seem recall some name 
>with an A and two T's in it, I think. Then of course, there is the only affordable
>version which some argue is not Unix - Coherent. I think you can still get it for 
>$99 a copy. I think the company name is Mark White or something like that.

Yes, Coherent 4.0, which runs on 386 computers, is still $99.95.  The company's
name is Mark Williams.  You can contact them at sales@mwc.com.

As you can see by the header, I don't work for MWC.  I am simply a satisfied 
customer.

If you want info about Coherent, check out comp.os.coherent.

Harry
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From: dcostanz@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Content-coding software
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:13:53 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

We are looking for content-coding software to analyze a lrage database
of profiles of organizational leaders.

I've bee told that there are both commercial and privately developped
programs that will do this.  The software will need to be flexible
in its search parameters for things like adjectives, word phrases,
and context/sentences.

Any suggestions out there.  We'd really appreciate any help.

David costanza/Mike Mumford
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: tony@jeeves.engr.mun.ca (Anthony H Galway)
Subject: Re: Building a computer
Reply-To: tony@jeeves.engr.mun.ca
Organization: C-CAE, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:15:11 GMT

twriter1@pencom.com writes:

>Does anyone have information on how to build,
>say, an IBM-compatible PC?  Is this possible?
>I see so many ads in magazines for components, I just
>wondered if one could construct a whole computer
>out of them.  

To be quite honest, it is not worth it. I can buy a new 386 box for $470
from a company in Toronto (EMPac I have nothing to do with EMPac, just
that I am impressed with their prices - $470 is canadian $)
this includes a 386/33 board, 1 MB memory, keyboard, the speaker,
IDE controller, 3 1/2 disk drive, power supply, and case!

To buy these items separatly it would be about:
Motherboard - $200
Memory -  $40
Power Supply - $90
Disk Drive - $60
Keyboard - $30
IDE controller - $24
Case - $50 (Not sure one this one :) )

Total:	$494 ( US $ These are prices taken from the october issue of Byte )

So other than the fun of doing it yourself, there is no savings.

>Has anyone out there undertaken such a project?

Actually building the thing is very easy, a case has slots in the bottom
that with the proper connectors (little plastic domahickies (obviously I
do not know their proper names :) ) it will slide snugly down. The power
supply is bolted into the case easily as well (make sure you have the
proper power supply for the case you buy) the drive slides into the drive
slot, add the controller, plug everything together add video card and
monitor and there you go - PC by Mr. Writer! :)

Building it is alot like connect the dots. Everything has a place where
only it can go. Fasten everything securely there and it takes nothing
else.

Good luck.
>twriter1@pencom.com
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C-CAE                      |\_/|    making other plans.
Memorial University        (` ')
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.invest,misc.jobs.misc,misc.legal,misc.misc,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Perot's "Platform" Posted to the Usenet
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:51:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>The problem is not just that you posted it to the entire world instead
>of just the U.S., but you cross-posted it all over creation as well.
>What, pray tell, does this have to do with computers, other than that
>this gives a wider audience and you are posting on one?

As I said in my original post (did you read it?), I posted it to pertinent
newsgroups, that is, where Perot talks about issues directly related to
the subject of the newsgroup.  If I really wanted to post this to all of
creation and get the maximal coverage, I would've cross-posted it to alt.sex,
alt.binaries.pictures.d and soc.motss as well, but I didn't, since Perot did
not *directly* touch upon issues pertinent to those newsgroups.

With respect to computers, Perot discussed his "Electronic Town Hall" concept,
which is definitely of interest to the computer community, thus the cross-post
to comp.misc (it would've also been pertinent to some of the network groups
in the comp.* hierarchy but I didn't post there thinking that comp.misc would
be adequate).

And be thankful that I cross-posted it rather than sending it to one newsgroup
at a time.

I've said enough.  I'll let you have the last word.

Jon

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------->   VOTE FOR PEROT IN '92
From: lcornell@carson.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell)
Subject: Wanted: Flow chart software suggestions
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:19:07 GMT

I've finally decided to give in and quit doing them by hand...but now, I
need some software that can do flowcharting (and hopefully some other
useful functions).

Any DOS/Windows suggestions?  Any public domain would be great for
starters, but I'm willing to invest in a good piece of software too.

If there is interest, I can summarize any answers and post!

Thanks in advance for your time!

Linda Cornell
lcornell@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: fisher@sc2a.unige.ch
Subject: Re: Internet Naming Conventions
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.173823.1473@nosc.mil>, barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
> I know I have read somewhere where it describes the Internet site naming
> conventions, i.e., .mil means military, .edu means educational institution,
> etc.  However, I cannot find it.  Does anyone know where such a beast can
> be found?

Aside from the explanations of "old-style" domain names (like .mil :-)
which can be found at many places (including "zen and the art of
internet" as another followup suggests), the vast majority of current
abbreviations are those of the ISO 3166 for countries.  I have two
old copies of the standard (one in french, btw), which doesn't have
the latest countries (Lithuania, Slovenia, etc.) - but then again,
the names of computers in these might not be up to date either (saw
a posting from .yu - Yougoslavia - not over a week ago).

Markus Fischer, Geneva CH
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T bar-code$ [&prez in supermarkets...]
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:34:43 GMT

mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>                           THE "MARK OF THE BEA$T"

>               ALL Christians are PROHIBITED by Revelation 14:9-11 from 
>          cooperating with the "MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T" bar-code

That must be why President Bush didn't recognize the OCR scanner in
that supermarket a while back - he's no doubt fallen under the 
influence of people like Mr. McElwaine who wrote his party's latest
platform...

				Peter Desnoyers
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From: chips@eskimo.celestial.com (cav)
Subject: fiche to computer
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:06:41 GMT

I am looking for a way to get information stored on micro-fiche to
a database. Are there any direct ways or must i print it out and then
scan them in? If must scan in , am looking for recommendations on
scanners and OCR software.	thanks
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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: klos@interlan.interlan.com (Patrick Klos)
Subject: Re: Can't you run unix on a 386?
Organization: Klos Technologies, Inc. (603) 424-0138
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:58:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.181002.17295@pencom.com> twriter1@pencom.com writes:
>From: twriter1@pencom.com
>Subject: Can't you run unix on a 386?
>Date: 14 Oct 92 18:10:02 GMT
>That's the question.  I bought the book "Build your
>own 386 and save a bundle."  He doesn't list
>unix as one of the possible operating systems.
>
>I repeat:
>	"Can't you run unix on a 386?"
>
>BTW--To anybody who responded to my previous post
>on building a computer Thanks a mil!

UNIX can (and does) run on lots of PCs.  One of the main concerns is how 
compatible the PC is and which version of UNIX you are using.  If your 386 
system is a real clone, you should have no trouble finding a UNIX to run (
like SCO or Interactive).  If your 386 is not 100% compatible, your in for 
more trouble than it's worth probably.

There are other UNIX-like operating systems available for PCs as well, which 
may do what you want without all the hassles of a real UNIX implementation.