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From: v999rkzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (V999RKZD.SIGNATURE)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Unlimited Flight Tickets
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ku2ha3INNgai@phakt.usc.edu>, malexand@phakt.usc.edu (Michael Alexander) writes...
> 
> 
>There is an interesting option for 1 month unlimited flying within the U.S. 
>(except Hawaii) for around $ 500 : Discover USA (or similar) tickets which
>must be purchased abroad. Delta poses no restrictions on how 
>often a route can be flown. The only catch is that you have to have a valid
>return ticket to eg. Europe. The tickets you get through this program are 
>stand-by seats. Still, as long as you do not travel with large groups there
>are only very very slim chances that you can't get on a flight.
> 

Does CANADA count as 'abroad' for this deal??
-ram

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From: jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl)
Subject: Re: LOST LUGGAGE QUESTION
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:20:18 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon / Omron Corporation
Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu

In article <1992Apr8.001306.2597@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 0ganley_j@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
|> 	Has anyone lost anything of Value on USAir.  Recenlty they have 
|> misplaced a CamCorder and a few other Items, none of which have ever been 

A recent (Feb or Mar) _Money_ magazine article about lost luggage is
very interesting.  Apparently, a fair amount of ``lost'' luggage and ``lost''
items from non-lost luggage winds up in the homes of luggage handlers.

Check it out.
	*jeff*
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:48:38 GMT

I haven't found the food on the two major airlines in Canada to be
that bad, although I think Canadian is clearly superior to Air Canada
(though I know others who maintain just the opposite).  Oops. I just
remembered the cheese-whiz on omlet Canadian gave me between Ottawa
and Toronto for breakfast last week.  But that is an exception.
(Drinks - all kinds - are free in all classes on all flights that
serve alcohol on both airlines.)

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Braniff
Date: 7 Apr 1992 22:05:20 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, USA
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Originator: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU

I'd be mighty wary of Braniff, considering that they left a lot of
people holding tickets last time they went out of business.  Didn't know
that they were back from the dead!

Pan Am also screwed their passengers.  One airplane was on the runway
at the airport and was preparing to take off when it was called back in.
Everyone was told that the airline was out of business.

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
not endorsed by the University of California
"Sorry, but you'll have to give back those peanuts.  We're out of business
and are freezing all assets."

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From: alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: Morgan Stanley Equities Analytical Research
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:19:49 GMT

In article <rt63aINNees@agate.berkeley.edu>, mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
|> Airline food, a contradiction in terms?  :-)
|> 
|> Any tips?  I've always heard that, for vegetarians, special meals are
|> better going West -> East because of California's produce and general
|> health consciousness...

i've heard similar claims from a friend who orders kosher food 
whenever he's flying east to west.   although he's jewish, he's
definitely not kosher.  nevertheless, he swears that the food is much 
better because it comes from kosher caterers in the nyc area 
(lou j. seigel, for example). 

i told him that this is not a good idea because it may deprive 
those that are truly kosher from obtaining in-flight meals.  

/al

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:06:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hsdndev.596
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Apr7.005517.15409@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>      Gerald Cheang (chegerh@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu)
>
>My dad was on a longer flight...Boston to Detroit...They spent 13 hours on 
>the plane.  Of course, the bad weather and refeulings while waiting for it
>to clear had a lot to do with that...  =)  I guess we're not counting un-
Boston to Detroit is 1hr.20mins flying with NorthWest. It's 14 hours
by car(with gas stops only).
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: O'Hare -> San Juan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.103747.20116@athena.mit.edu> rk@athena.mit.edu (Richard Kovalcik) writes:
>It looks like American has 3 non-stops daily.  Just goes to show you that
>that major airline at a hub isn't necessary the best.  
>
>P.S. They are on 727 (breakfast), 757 (lunch, movie), and DC10 (lunch, movie).
>
>

You are looking at it the wrong way around.  San Juan is a hub for American
Airlines.  Since O'Hare is as well it makes perfect sense that American
should have non-stops between the two.

RNA
From: steveb@cernvax.cern.ch (Steve Bougerolle)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX and cashing checks overseas
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:34:25 GMT
Reply-To: steveb@erich.triumf.ca
Organization: CERN, Geneva, Switzerland

In <1992Apr13.013238.4715@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.181938.895@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:

><You can also receive your mail at AMEX offices overseas, or at least
><you used to be able to do so.

>You can do that whether you have their charge card or not.

Not quite true.  You can do that if you have their card, or if you have
their traveller's cheques.
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From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Subject: OAG Pocket Guide vs. SkyGuide was (Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post..)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.223533.24422@athena.mit.edu> rk@athena.mit.edu (Richard Kovalcik) writes:
>
>Regarding 2) What Other Ways ...
>
>Besides the OAG there is something called SkyGuide for $45 per year
>(12 issues).  However, it only lists direct flights while the OAG
>lists MOST connections.  I say most because I've had a number of cases
>of calling an airline and being told of perfectly reasonable connections
>that were not in the OAG.
I get the OAG pocket guide as well as the SkyGuide (I was enticed by Amex
to get it).  I only like the SkyGuide in that select internation cities are
listed.  Since I never fly internationally, it doesn't help.  I find the
OAG guide better, because it lists more city pairs from which you can
"build" your own itinerary.  Note that the airlines must pay per
listing.  I am discontinuing the SkyGuide.  I find OAG pricy but more
complete and helpful.

--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
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From: tomc@citr.uq.oz.au (Tom Crawley)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:28:40 GMT

vigyan@cad.Berkeley.EDU (Vigyan Singhal) writes:

>In article <rrcldINN8gm@agate.berkeley.edu> jtkohl@cs.Berkeley.EDU (John T Kohl) writes:
>>In article <167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>
>>> > What is the longest (timewise/distance)
>>
>>UAL schedule book (Jan 92) sez:
>>
>>SFO-HKG		6914 mi		14:50 
>>HKG-SFO				11:55

>Does anyone have the duration for SFO-HKG leg on Singapore 
>Airlines SQ 1.  I travelled on that last year and I think 
>that it was more than 16 hrs long.

>-Vigyan

No, that's just how long it seemed...

The May 91 timetable (the only one I have handy), listed SFO-HKG
as 14:15 and HKG-SFO as 12:15. Interestingly, SQ is 35 minutes
quicker than UAL East->West, but 20 minutes slower West->East!

I doubt there are commercial aircraft capable of sectors longer that 15 hours,
otherwise airlines would be using them. Hey, Singapore-New York DIRECT looks
promising for SQ!

cheers
tomc
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From: Dave Schwartz
Subject: Re: Pakistani Airlines
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:45:02 GMT

In article <92104.191842SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Has anyone ever done business with Pakistani Airlines before?  What
>were your experiences?  I want to go to and from France, and the best
>rates I have seen were with these people.
>
>One thing I'm a little cautious about is that my name sounds Jewish
>(Wukovitz) and I look sort of eastern European--though my family is
>actually Catholic and I'm not anything :-)  My parents are worried
>about me travelling on Pakistani airlines with my name the way it is,
>perhaps they have a point, though I don't really know.  This leaves
>me with two options:
>
>1.  Do nothing and don't worry about it
>
>2.  Purposely misspell my name, e.g. Wucovis, Wukovits (the original
>    version), Vukovic...
>
>    Does anyone know if they check your airline ticket with your
>    passport to see that the names are the same?  In other words,
>    could I get away with a misspelling without getting booted
>    from the flight/getting in trouble when we depart/arrive,
>    etc.?  I have never ever been out of the US before...
>
>Any help you could provide would be most welcome.  I have called several
>courier services, and their prices were not as low as I'd been led to
>believe (399 RT Paris for courier, 410 RT Paris for Pakistani).  I only
>know the numbers for the two couriers listed in Let's Go Europe (I can't
>recall the names offhand).  Therefore, if you know of more courier services,
>please also send me mail!  Thank-you!
>
>-Stephanie Wukovitz er... Vukovic or was that Wukov or hm... Wukkie or...

Funny you should mention it.  On Friday, April 3 I flew PIA from New York
to Amsterdam.  On Saturday, April 11, I flew PIA from Paris to NYC.  Yes,
the cheapest airline fares seem to be on PIA.  

I would fly them again.
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From: rbb@cs.brown.edu (Robert Baynes)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:49:13 GMT

In article <rt63aINNees@agate.berkeley.edu>, mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
|> Airline food, a contradiction in terms?  :-)
|> 
|> Any tips?  I've always heard that, for vegetarians, special meals are
|> better going West -> East because of California's produce and general
|> health consciousness...
|> 

I use to fly quite a bit ( now that I am a student, I don't get around
at all) but I always specified Vegetarian meals. When flying from the 
East to the West I would ALWAYS (yes, I mean ALWAYS) get the same meal.
It did not matter whether it was coach or first class. But when I flew
from the West coast to the East coast I got great meals, always 
different and never got the mystery meal from the East coast!! 

(BTW this was on USAir).

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From: bellutta@cascade.ohsu.EDU (Paolo Bellutta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:32:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Apr9.223215.11914
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

I tried to figure out what BUMPS are. It seems like you buy vouchers at a very  
low price, and then, if there is no overbooking on the flight, you might get  
in. Am I correct? Would these flight accounted on your frequent flyer account?

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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Is It Legal ??
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:26:12 GMT


On this group there have been many articles concerning cheap tickets which
people want to sell.

However, I also seem to recall a discussion on "how to get away with flying
with someone else's ticket".

So, what's the story ? Is it illegal to sell tickets at all, once they have
been booked in your name or have your name printed on them ? Is it legal
but do the airlines kick up a fuss if you use someone else's ticket ? Are
there differing rules for international and domestic flights ?

If any of you could fill me in on all the details I would be most grateful ...


Tim Hatfield
timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
ALTERNATIVELY: ak530@po.cwru.edu

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From: texan@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jennifer.j.sinclair)
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Keywords: Delta Bumps
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:57:06 GMT


I took a bump voucher on a flight out of Cincinnatti.  I think it was
Delta.  Anyway,  the voucher was for $500.  I needed to fly to Chicago
for a funeral and was able to use the voucher (or part of it) and
then use the remaining $$ on the voucher for another flight 
(I had to add some cash but it was worth it that flight cost me $75)  

Jennifer
AFT
(a former Texan)
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From: rbutera@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: Continental Airlines
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:05:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.044408.16043@cs.ucla.edu>, tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes:
> What's the current fiscal status of Continental?  Are they considered
> prime candidates for bankruptcy?

Well, they're not doing too hot (been in the business pages here a lot
lately, which is where their HQ is) but I've seen no forecast of 
immediate doom.  I think the fall of Eastern has hurt Continental a lot.

> 
> I ask because I just discovered that for a MKE->LAX roundtrip flight,
> booked 30 days in advance, Easy-Sabre quotes a fare of only $149.  The
> next lowest is $392, on NW, Delta, etc....Any idea why Continental is
> so low in comparison? 
> 

Well, I'd guess that Continental is keying in on routes they think they
can outdo the competition on (or have little competition).  Since you're
using Easy-Sabre, check out the detailed restrictions.  It may not be listed
there, but if you buy the ticket, ask if its honored by other airlines
if Continential goes under.  Very often they are (I knew Eastern passengers
who got their flights covered when Eastern went belly-up).

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

               STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!        (local bumpersticker)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:53:29 EDT
From: Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: frequent flight bonus (FFB) transatlantic

In article <natj3_=.marcos@netcom.com>, marcos@netcom.com (Marcos H. Woehrmann)
says:
>
>In article <1992Apr10.093457.3169@bernina.ethz.ch>, wyle@bernina.ethz.ch
>(Mitchell Wyle) writes:
>> I am flying with Swissair and want the miles
>> credited to a FFB program (I don't care which).
>
>You should have the miles credited to ALL the FFB programs that Swissair
>has connections with.  I used to fly to Europe on Lufthansa 3-4 times a
>year and I routinely got credit on Delta, United, and USAir.  There isn't
>anything in the rules that prohibit this (at least there didn't used
>to be).  Just make sure you are a member of all the programs, and then,
>a couple of months after the flight, write them, sending them copies of
>the tickets and the boarding passes stubs, and tell them you never got
>mileage credit (which is true, you didn't).

Is this allowed now?  It doesn't seem "right".  It sounds like fraud or
something.  On the other hand, if it is allowed...
But doesn't an airline contact the partner airline to see if, indeed,
somebody flew on the flight? So Lufthansa would tell USAir, yes, Jane
Doe flew on our flight from Berlin to New York, but she already credited
those miles to her United frequent flier program?

'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Subject: Re: Travel Clubs Info? USair destinations
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:51:44 GMT

><Does USAir only service the East coast?
>
USAir also serves the West Coast, though the service is not as great as
it used to be.

USAir was formed by the merger of 3 airlines: USAir (formerly Allegheny)
in the NorthEast, Piedmont (an airline almost the same size in the
SouthEast), and PSA (in the West/Southwest).  The cities of USAir
and Piedmont merged together well because they were strong networks
that easily meshed.

PSA did not merge as well.  While they were profitable on their own, most
of the cities were not able to mesh.  LA, San Diego, & SFO are three
very profitable cities to run in.  PSA had a VERY VERY positive image
in the west coast.  When they were taken over USAir's policy was to
LITERALLY overnight wipe the name of one airline off the face of the map,
so USAir never got a chance to become a houselhold name.  As a result
USAir pulled back out of most of the "smaller" cities, and then
got a local airline (StatesWest) to become a Commuter Airline.

Right around this same time, 2 other niche airlines became popular:
Southwest with no-frills leisure travellers because of the low $$$
   ($59 one way is the maximum within California)
Alaska Airlines (purchaser of JetAmerica) because of their great
  service and food.


Delta had also recently increased its west coast service when it
acquired Western.


David Andersen

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From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: AMEX student coupons
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:07:19 GMT

In article <29EB1C33.26591@ics.uci.edu> schulenb@harlie.ics.uci.edu (David Schulenburg) writes:
>two of the restrictions on these vouchers are:
>
>6 day max say
>saturday overnight required (i believe)
>
>what this implies is no sunday or monday departures.
>since the $189 fare is cheaper than a oneway fare,
>has anyone tried to book a round-trip flight and use
>only the return portion of the ticket?  is this OK
>to do?  what are the potential problems involved with
>doing this kind of thing?  is the return flight
>automatically cancelled if the first leg is "missed"?
>any help you can give would be appreciated.  please
>email as i don't normally read this group.  thanks,
>
>david
>


A couple of weeks back I used those certificates to fly
SF-NJ-BOSTON, BOSTON-NJ-SF. On my way there I got off in
New Jersey spent some time in New York and drove to Boston.
I never had any trouble flying out of Boston. On the other
hand if I missed the first leg, such as Boston-NJ, I was 
explicitely told by an agent that they will not allow me
to board in NJ. 

In your case if you, say, want to fly NY-LA, then why don't
you buy NY-LA-NY ticket, instead of LA-NY-LA. This way
you won't even have to worry if they let you fly the return
leg without having flown the first one.

Leonid.
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From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: Taipei to Kaohsiung connecting flight?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:36:36 GMT

Does anyone know if there is a CKS Int'l Airport to Kaohsiung Airport 
connection flight in Taiwan??  (to connect from a int'l flight)  If so, how
much is it?  BTW, this not the Taipei "City" -- Kaohsiung flight...it's the
TPE - Kaohsiung flight...
Thanx!
Steve 

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From: western@sequin.rdg.dec.com (Jennifer Western)
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Reading, England
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.053937.27350@psg.com> chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham) writes:
>> >I believe the longest nonstop routes are NYC-Johannesburg, flown by SAA.
>> >(sanctions permitting).
>
>> Nope, it stops in the Cape Verde islands.  Still a long trip, though.
>
>I was wondering about that one.
>
>> Expensive, too.
>
>Yup, a side-effect of noone wanting to fly to a particular destination
>is that the bad guys get to charge more or less what they like. I'm
>hoping that this will improve in the near future - does anyone have
>any information on Richard Branson's (Virgin Air) attempts to fly
>from London to Johannesburg? The last rumour I heard was that he was
>planning to start in October, and that he would undercut the current
>fares by over 50%. If any of the US airlines took on a Johannesburg
>route as well, that would shake SAA's price structure up a bit.


   No one wanting to fly to Jo'burg ?  I think not.  This is BA's most
   profitable route by far.  Hence, the reason for Virgin elbowing its
   way in.



   Jennifer



   Jennifer