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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: about those airport codes (was Airport codes/Stanstead airport)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:32:19 GMT

mbrennan@swift.cs.tcd.ie (Micheal O'Braonain) writes:

>Just a couple of questions about airport codes.  
>Does anyone know what/which airport the code LON refers to?
>Is LCY the one near the docklands, suitable for smaller planes only?

>>LCY	London - City Airport	Great Britan
>>LGW	London - Gatwick	Great Britan
>>LHR	London - Heathrow	Great Britan
>>LON	London	Great Britan
>>STN	Stansted (London)	Great Britan

I don't know where LCY exactly is. LON refers to *all* of London
Airports. If you will book a flight from anywhere on the world to
London, GB, then you probably won't know in advance at which airport
you will arrive (if you are no airline routing guru). So the travel
agent puts the request LON into his computer and you will end up at
LGW or at LHR, in few cases in STN and LCY.
The same thing fits for all cities with more than one airport, being
served by regular service. e.g:
   BER: Berlin (SXF, THF, TXL)
   CHI: Chicago (ORD, MDW)
   DTT: Detroit (DTW, DET)
   NYC: New York (JFK, LGA, EWR, ISP)
   PAR: Paris (CDG, ORY)
and a few more.

>Maybe I will get beaten about the head and shoulders for this, but
>I don't particularly recommend the newish Stanstead airport.

>1. I've been there a couple of times recently and I find it very slow
>to get into central london.  Sure there is the "Express" train
>but it takes 40 minutes to get to Liverpool St station, and the
>big problem is that it only leaves every 30 minutes.  What they don't
>tell you is that the express train stops at Tottenham Hale.  This 
>could be a useful point to change over to the Tube system.

            rest deleted

That is your personal thing. I've put the codes on the net in order to
- inform people about the cryptic language of flight routings
- get more codes (what about China, CIS, Central Africa, Argentina, ...)

STN is, as far as I know, mainly used for charter service. And that fits
only to last few years.

Peter
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de

P.S. Munich will get a new airport at May, 17. The code will be the
same (MUC), because they are closing the old one.
From: jtkohl@cs.Berkeley.EDU (John T Kohl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:41:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In-reply-to: CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu's message of 7 Apr 92 00:01:08 GMT

In article <167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

> > What is the longest (timewise/distance)

> Probably LAX - SYD nonstop on QANTAS or United Airlines.

UAL schedule book (Jan 92) sez:

LAX-SYD		7487 mi		14:35 gate to gate
SYD-LAX				13:25 

SFO-HKG		6914 mi		14:50 
HKG-SFO				11:55

How long is LHR-HKG/HKG-LHR?  And does BA fly SEA-SYD? nonstop? (I know they
wanted that route authority as part of the UA/AA LHR landing rights
negotiations)?
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:49:59 -0400 
From: "Alexander L. Hawkinson" <ah2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Airline ticket: Providence->Pittsburgh

Hi there  ,

	I have a one way ticket on US Air going from Providence, RI to
Pittsburgh, PA on Friday May 15th, leaving Providence at 5:50 pm and
arriving in Pittsburgh ~one hour and fifteen minutes later.  I will sell
the ticket for  $130, but the price may be somewhat negotiable.  Reply
via e-mail to this account.  Thanks for your interest,

	Alexander Hawkinson
	ah2j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons, longest flight
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.210929.13940
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr7.190618.1138@reed.edu>, terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:
<
<Yeah, this sucks, I've heard Chase's VISA card gives a much better deal with
<fewer restrictions on a better airline.  Anyone know?

US Air "a better airline" than Continental?!?!?!?!?!?!  HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have *never* flown on US Air without incident.  And their service is awful.
(Last flight [in both senses of the word `last']:  'Plane was changed [without
prior notice] from a semi-comfortable 'plane to one of those things so tiny
that you can't even stand up in them.  No flight attendant, no restroom, no
anything.  This thing went all the way from New Haven, CT, to Baltimore.
In Baltimore, I get the funny feeling that the person who checked my bags
back in New Haven checked one through to Charlotte, NC, rather than
Florence, SC.  Surly employee says otherwise, refuses to send anyone to
check this out even though the flight to Charlotte is being held up for the
next two hours.  Stupidly trust surly employee.  Have to run to make my
flight to Florence, SC.  Arrive and find that, just as I had told the surly
employee, the bags were not there.  Surly employee No 2:  "My computer doesn't
know where they are." / "I'll bet you $100 that they're in Charlotte."
Am 'phoned at 11 pm and told that the bags are on their way.  They arrive
[along with four bags that were not mine] two hours later.  Several days
pass, and surly employee No 2 'phones to see if the bags had ever come in!!!
"Yes."  Surly employee No 3 calls the next day to ask the same question!!!!!
"No, they haven't come in.  Send me the insurance papers."  [Hell, I deserve
some compensation after all this.] / "OK."  Papers never come.)

Oh, and don't get AmEx's "deal", either.  One of these days, when I have some
time, I'll recount my own experience (and those of others) with them.

					--Scott

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From: tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:17:31 GMT

jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:

>timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) asks:
>|> >SFO-HKG		6914 mi		14:50 
>|> >HKG-SFO				11:55

>|> What I want to know is: for the SFO-HKG flight, why the 3-hour 
>|> difference in flight time?

>When flying from Asia to The States,
>the earth is spinning under you _in_the_opposite_direction_ that you're
>flying, and doing so at phenomenal speeds.  Thus, relative to the earth,
>it appears as if *you* are traveling at phenomenal speeds, and time slows
>for you appropriately (Einstein's Theory of Relativity at work for the
>common person!).  And with the slowed time, it takes longer.... in this
>case about an hour and a half.

Boy, was I glad to see the smiley at the bottom of your post!  I was
shaking my head the whole time I was reading your post!  :-)

Timothy:
The actual reason is the jet stream; you're flying against it when you
fly westward and with it when you fly eastward.

FYI: Einstein's Theory of Relativity *was* tested in the 60's by putting
     an atomic clock on a B-52 and flying it around the world.  When it
     landed, its clock was about 1 second out of synch with an identical
     clock on the ground with which it had been synched before takeoff.

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From: dkrause@miami.acs.uci.edu (Doug Krause)
Subject: Qantas Delivery (was Re: Long Flights.)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:07:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.065635.24565@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
#They also quote the longest *delivery* flight by a commercial airliner--
#a whopping 11,250 miles from London to Sydney by a 747-400 (not a 747SP),
#in 20:09 on August 16-17, 1989.

I read about this in a Qantas magazine.  They had to do all sorts of
stuff to even make this sucker possible.  I remember they towed the
747 to the end of the runway, sent the crew's luggage on a seperate
flight, etc.  I think they might have pulled the passenger seats out
but I'm not sure.  They arrived in Sydney with 45 minutes of fuel
left.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,ba.misc.forsale
From: dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz)
Subject: Northwest Worldperks Fly-Wright ticket SOUGHT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:53:05 GMT


I would be interested in buying a single Northwest Airlines
Fly-Write ticket for a reasonable price.


---
Tom Schutz
dualist@leland.stanford.edu
(415)854-7196
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale
From: wisler@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (dale.j.wisler)
Subject: One way ticket to Boston, cheap
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: atl
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:44:10 GMT


I friend of mine has an unused return flight ticket for sale
on Delta airlines from Atlanta, GA to Boston, MA.

It is for THIS Saturday, April 11, at 9:00AM (DL 350), but
you might be able to change it.

Best offer (cheap).

If interested, call Jose' Santiago:
	Work (404) 552-2324
	Home (404) 642-7105
From: jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:27:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Moore Capital Management, Inc. NYC

Robert Ashcroft <rna@leland.Stanford.EDU> writes:

	I thought that the new rebuilding program was going to set the
	terminal back into the parking lot so that the Metro station
	would end up a lot closer---is this true?

Hey, yer just flying the wrong airlines -- DL is just across the
street from the Metro.  Practically closer than CongressCritters
can get to the terminal in their cars.

:-)

/jordan
From: gjacobs@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Gary Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is It Legal ??
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:34:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.gjacobs.703539261
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:

>cmdavis@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Christopher Davis) writes:
>|> In article <1992Apr16.203944.14440@PA.dec.com> klee@wsl.dec.com writes:
>|> >In the U.S., it is probably fraud (a serious crime) to use a ticket sold for
>|> >the sole use of another person.  On domestic flights, they don't (usually)
>|> >check ID, so they aren't likely to catch you.  On international flights,
>|> >however, they always check ID (passports).
>|> 
>|> Does the airline really check the passport along with the ticket?
>|> I seem to recall customs checking the passport and having no
>|> interest in the ticket, and the airline checking the ticket and
>|> having no interest in the passport.  Has anyone here tried using
>|> someone else's ticket internationally, and did you get called on it?

We once showed up at the airport with our two kids and did not have a passport
for our 3 month old.  They would not let us on the airplane to France.  We had
to fly to Los Angeles, stand in line at the passport office, fly back to San
Diego and catch the flight the next day.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:17:14 GMT

I hope this won't be one of a hundred similar articles....

In article <1992Apr9.223215.11914@ohsu.edu>, bellutta@cascade.ohsu.EDU (Paolo Bellutta) writes:
<
<I tried to figure out what BUMPS are. It seems like you buy vouchers at a very  
<low price, and then, if there is no overbooking on the flight, you might get  
<in. Am I correct?

No.  Airlines habitually overbook flights.  As a result, there are
occasionally more passengers than seats, and so some passengers are not
allowed to board.  (If everyone is carrying tonnes of luggage,
the 'plane may exceed its legal weight limit, and some passengers will
again not be allowed to board.)  In such an event, the airline offers
as compensation free tickets for future use (and also guaranteed space
on the very next flight and, should there be no flight until the next day,
a free hotel room, taxi/limousine service, free meals, &c).

Airlines often ask for volunteers for bumping.  If you're not in a hurry,
you may wish to volunteer in order to get the free ticket(s).

					--Scott

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From: torerik@cs.washington.edu (Tor Erik Jeremiassen)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Keywords: ID-Checking at the gate 
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.190035.687@reed.edu> terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.020013.27660@u.washington.edu> treon@milton.u.washington.edu (Treon Verdery) writes:
>>well, I got the $189 coupons from AMEX.  They have my name written
>>on them.  My question is, can I somehow buy a ticket for my girlfriend
>>with one of them so that we can go the same place for the same price?
>>
>>Note: the AMEX travel certificate says, "no", but I would be very interested
>>in people who have managed to do this anyway.  Is it really a problem?
>>
>>With both "treon"s travelling on the same plane at the same time, will
>>anyone get 'confused'?
>
>I had my friend in Portland buy me a ticket on her Amex for my rt from LAX-
>Portland-LAX.  We were worried the travel agent might wonder why a person IN
>Portland would need a RT TO Portland, but they didn't even question it.  I got
>the tickets & was afraid I'd be ID'd at the gate.  In fact, I was totally
>sweating it, 'cuz they ID'd the guy in front of me, but I think that's 'cuz he
>was paying for his ticket right then.  I had no problem either way, except the
>ulcer I got from worrying about it.  Her name is Katherine & I'm female, so I
>don't think it aroused much suspicion, but I'd suspect the same wouldn't be 
>true for male/female combinations.  I had a boyfriend once who bought a ticket
>from a girl named "Alexis".  I went up to the check-in counter for him, and 
>they didn't have a problem with me being "Alexis", so he flew just fine.  I'd
>recommend this if you're traveling on a female's ticket.  

I would not recommend trying to use other people's AMEX student tickets on
Continental. I flew down to Houston during spring break. When they
announced boarding for the flight they also announced that anyone holding
a student ticket would be required to show picture ID upon boarding. One
person in front of me in line claimed not to have his ID with him,
whereupon one of the gate agents escorted him over to the adjacent ticket-
counter. Funny, I don't remember seeing him on the flight.

I've used these tickets previously and never been ID'ed, but it seems like
Continental now has decided to put some teeth into the "non-transferable"
clause.


Tor Jeremiassen

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From: phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flights Through Hell (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:20:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr9.202051.750

In article <MARY.92Apr8085812@martinique.Cayman.COM>  writes:
} In article <1992Apr07.094852.232221@cs.cmu.edu> jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu  
(Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:
} 
} [ story of KAL flight from hell deleted ]
}  
} [ story of another apparently smelly flight from hell deleted]

All I can say is see my post about Braniff (or one of them)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Increasing FF milage
Originator: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:18:16 GMT

I was just thinking about something..my SO will be flying from 
Milwaukee (MKE) to Los Angeles (LAX) next month, probably on Northwest
, since that's where we have our FF miles.  A direct flight is available
and would result in a credit of approximately 1800 miles.  In Northwest's
World Perks FF club, they give you 750 miles for any flight of less than
750 miles, so I was thinkng that if she had a stop over in Chicago,
she would get credited with about the same number of miles for the
ORD to LAX flight as the MKE to LAX flight, _and_ she would receive
750 more miles for the 90 mile flight to O'Hare, for a total of about
2550 miles.  For the inconvenience of a 1 hour stop-over and a plane
change, she can increase the number of miles she earns by almost 40%.

What does everyone think?  Is it worth it?  Any other suggestions on
how to increase the milage awards?

Thanks-
  Tom

  ps...of course if she flew thru Detroit, that'd be an extra 150 miles or
       so....of if she flew thru London, that'd be..... :->
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From: malexand@phakt.usc.edu (Michael Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Unlimited Flight Tickets
Date: 6 Apr 1992 23:46:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu



There is an interesting option for 1 month unlimited flying within the U.S. 
(except Hawaii) for around $ 500 : Discover USA (or similar) tickets which
must be purchased abroad. Delta poses no restrictions on how 
often a route can be flown. The only catch is that you have to have a valid
return ticket to eg. Europe. The tickets you get through this program are 
stand-by seats. Still, as long as you do not travel with large groups there
are only very very slim chances that you can't get on a flight.

Cheers,

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From: mbuck@fibers.uucp (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Continental Airlines
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:12:48 GMT
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <1992Apr7.165514.1954@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
  v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND) writes:
> 	I've used Continental a few times  Buffalo-Lax for $118  as compared
> to almost $250 elsewhere.  Cont. is very low frills- but I've never had a 
> problem with them.  My trip is only 50 minutes so who cares about lunch...

If Continental is getting you from Buffalo to LAX in 50 minutes, I think
Continental is doing pretty much OK.  What did you *really* mean?
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From: aberman@cs.washington.edu (Andrew Berman)
Subject: Re: Tell you something..
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:30:47 GMT


In article <13849@star.cs.vu.nl> bert@cs.vu.nl (Menting BL) writes:
>Hmm, anybody does know that travelling by air is very bad for the
>environment (one flight is as bad as a whole year travel by car)
>unless your a bird..
>
>By the way I type U now..


Uh, let's check this out a little:

Since no numbers were given, let's assume that the average airplane
flight is 1000 miles.  Lets also assume that there are 200 people 
on the airplane.
200 * 1000 = 200,000 people-miles at a cost of 1 car-year

Now, let's look at how much damage is done by putting these people
in cars for 1 car-year.
I'll assume 2 people per car, which is most certainly
higher than the national average. Let's also assume they all
travel at 30 miles/day for 350 days of the year. That gives us

 2 * 30 * 350 = 21,000 people-miles at a cost of 1 car-year.

Hmm.  So, to do 200,000 people-miles of work in cars costs us
200,000/21,000 = 9.52 car years.

So given these numbers an airplane is 9.52 times as efficient
as a car. Or, to turn it around, per person-mile traveled,
a car is 9.52 times as damaging to the environment as an
airplane.  And an order of magnitude slower.

This does not even include all the extra roads we'd have to build
if everyone used cars. Or extra parking spaces.

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