HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: doomsdayer
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:01:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.012434.6037@eskimo.com> alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler) writes:
>In article <3047@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> rfisher@uswnvg.com (Robert Fisher) writes:
>>	Current estimates place the food cosumption volumes at a maximum in
>>sixty years from 1990.  This means that if every mouth was feed evenly,and at
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>current growth rates, there will be just enough food for sustaining life.  Afterthe year 2050, this will not be true.  Does anyone out there have any senarios
>>that are not so gloomy?  Help me escape my pessimistic outlook!  I know about 
>>environmental dangers that are considered to be genecide prior to 2050, but 
>>what about pure overpopulation estimates.
>
>Your 'if' is a fantasy ideal (like frictionless planes).  There already isn't
>enough food to sustain life in the real world at 'current' population levels.
> 

There's plenty of food.  Food rots in warehouses in this country while
the government pays farmers (who are going bankrupt because the market
price of what they produce is less than the cost of producting it)
not to grow crops for which there is no demand, and all the while more
and more productive land is being paved over for business parks - 
because its the cheapest land available.  This doesn't sound like
a plausible scenario in a world on the brink of starvation. The main
problem is one of distribution.  Look at Somalia.  That country could
easily feed its own people - but all the "powerful interests" seem
interested in is fighting to the death for political control of the
starving population.  *That's* not an *agricultural* problem.

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Newsgroups: lobby,seattle.general,alt.bbs.lists
From: lurch@eskimo.com (Erik Kloeppel)
Subject: Re: Puget Sound Computer User
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:57:41 GMT

nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>     I continuously receive mail to the effect that the listing for Eskimo >North is incorrect in the Puget Sound Computer User magazine.  >     It is suggested that I, the sysop of Eskimo North, update the listing.  >     I have tried.  I've sent at least a dozen letters to Puget Sound >Computer User, posted on their bbs, phoned them, all to no avail.  >     If anybody out there knows the secret to pursuading Puget Sound Computer >User to correct the listing for Eskimo North, I'm all ears!

I wonder if threatening violence would work? or get THEIR listing wrong on
Eskimo North... 

Lurch


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: moore@tc.fluke.COM (Matt Moore)
Subject: Re: Displaying a weapon (was Bicycles are Vehicles)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:36:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.201034.2562@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:

>But, can't *anybody* (except maybe a convicted felon) carry an
>*unconcealed* gun? ......

 Legally, perhaps so. Practically, carrying a weapon openly in a city
setting will probably get you arrested, for "disturbing the peace" or
"disorderly conduct" or whatever. Police have wide discretion to control
aberrant or threatening behavior in public, and most people today feel
that openly carrying a weapon around town is threatening in and of itself.
Carrying a weapon openly will certainly get you far more attention than
you want, and of a highly negative sort, even if you avoid official
displeasure.

 Concealed carry is the only practical alternative if you feel a need to
be armed in public. We are very fortunate to live in a state that
recognizes our right to carry concealed weapons and makes legal provision
for it. In many parts of this country concealed carry permits are available
only to the wealthy and the well-connected.

						Matt Moore
						John Fluke Mfg. Co.
						standard disclaimers apply
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ray, just Ray)
Subject: Re: Who is Roy Ottis??
Organization: Boeing Computer Services Graduate of Otis Tech
Distribution: boeing
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:03:27 GMT

ccw5695@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Charles C. White) quips:
<chrisp@wimsey.bc.ca (Chris Phillips) asks:
<
<<Does anyone know who Roy Ottis (KXRX) is? 
<
<Obviously you don't listen that closely.  Roy Otis is Merle Mortens cousin.

BZZZT!  Sorry, you lose!  Dead or Alive claims another believing victom.....

Roy is Robin's bastard son.

What _*I*_ want to know, is, is there REALLY an underground bunch of Beer-gut
Willies, (as many of them have won up to $40, and done their 'thing', leaving
Robin all (seemingly) pissed off), or is this a Marketing Ploy?

Does't really matter, it's a helluva lot better than the New and Improved 106.9

Feh!

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: wilde@carson.u.washington.edu (The Navigator)
Subject: Desperately Seeking 'Wizardry II'
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:28:14 GMT

Help!  I drug out some old games for the ibm and started
playing Wizardry again (nostalgia) and now I want to find
the sequel.  The latest Wizardry is too far advanced for
my characters, so I'm hoping to find the second one in the
series.
	Does anyone know where I can find it?  Any used software
dealers in the Seattle area?  I greatly appreciate any ideas!

				Thank you!

				wilde@carson.washington.edu
From: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Christmas Lights
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:18:03 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART To You, Buddy

In article <1992Dec19.063543.5163@u.washington.edu>, mailbox@stein.u.washington.edu writes:

|> The other place is something manor in Ballard. You can enter at the corner
|> of 85th NE and 23rd NW.

Olympic Manor.  It's easy to find (hard to miss the revolving Santas at
the entrance ;^).  I do my running there, and I'm starting to suspect
they've got something in their covenants requiring residents to
decorate their homes; nearly every house is lit.
-- 
Jim Tomlinson    email:jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com    PROFS:SGDI03(S0069741)
         "Airplanes are cool." - the man on the street in Seattle
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Video Only ad
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:33:38 GMT

cummings@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
|| 	There's an ad for "Video Only" on TV where they solicit
|| testimonials from a bunch of Plain Folks about how cheap everything is
|| there.  One guy make the comment (not quite verbatim), "I checked around,
|| and everything here is about 12% less.  But that 12% is like 50% to me."
|| 
|| 	HUH?!?!
|| 
|| 	Anyone have any idea what this could possibly mean?
|| 
|| 	I know it's just a stupid ad, but my wife and I both think this is
|| pretty funny and wonder whether we're missing something.

  I know the answer to this one.  I think the commercial said the guy was
  was down here from Alaska.  (And everyone knows Alaskans aren't too good
  with numbers.)

monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
| If you're spending more that 1.85 seconds wondering about this STOOPID
| commercial...
| 
| You and your wife need to get out more :)

  Yeah, right.  A usenet-junkie telling other people *they* need to get 
  out more.
  ==

  Bob                                          Seattle, Washington

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bbarton@Ingres.COM (Brian Barton)
Subject: Pearl Jam
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Da Jam
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:08:05 GMT

When's the next time that Pearl Jam will be in the Emerald City?

Does anyone know?

Anyone? Anyone?

Bueller?


Thanks.

Cheers!

Brian
bbarton@ingres.com 

Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.talk.poli
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:07:33 GMT

Re: people voting seat-belt laws in

dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
: Is what your saying, is that it is all right to limit the freedom of
: individuals as long as the majority says it's all right?
: This kind of statement (if I understand you correctly) is contrary to
: the spirit of the founders who wanted to ensure against a tyranny of
: the majority with the constitution in general and the Bill of Rights
: in particular.

Hardly what I'm saying.  Re-read my short reply to your message.  *You*
were saying that government was limiting what you could do; I was just
pointing out that often it was the people who voted it in, right or wrong.

If you had actually read a previous posting, I am *for* personal
responsibility.

Jeesh.  I wish people would actually *read* what other people write.  Sort
of like having an open mind, thoughts going in one ear and out the other,
through open space...

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
Xref: sparky seattle.general:4295 pnw.general:3073 alt.society.civil-liberty:7074
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.talk.poli
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:45:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec27.214505.2904
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec23.010733.5113@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
>Re: people voting seat-belt laws in
>
>dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
>: Is what your saying, is that it is all right to limit the freedom of
>: individuals as long as the majority says it's all right?
>: This kind of statement (if I understand you correctly) is contrary to
>: the spirit of the founders who wanted to ensure against a tyranny of
>: the majority with the constitution in general and the Bill of Rights
>: in particular.
>
>Hardly what I'm saying.  Re-read my short reply to your message.  *You*
>were saying that government was limiting what you could do; I was just
>pointing out that often it was the people who voted it in, right or wrong.
>
>If you had actually read a previous posting, I am *for* personal
>responsibility.
>
>Jeesh.  I wish people would actually *read* what other people write.  Sort
>of like having an open mind, thoughts going in one ear and out the other,
>through open space...
>
>Scott Linn
>scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com

I must have missed your previous posting.  I did ask in a nonflame way
(I thought) if I understood you correctly.  If I did read your
previous posting, I must have forgotten it.  I will try to be even
more polite in the future.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:53:41 GMT

In <1992Dec30.194123.24106@eskimo.com> alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler) writes:

>The fact that the freeways were origionally designed for 70 mph is often
>mentioned but what is ignored is that was for the traffic levels of over
>20 years ago.  

While it's true congestion is much higher in urban areas than 20 years
ago, in rural areas the traffic level has not increased nearly as
much as vehicle designs have improved.  The interstates were
designed when my 17-foot-long, under-braked 1965 station wagon
was a typical car.  This could help explain why accident rates
have gone down in rural areas using the 65 limit.

>Yes, if more than 5 cars are behind you on any single lane road in
>Washington (even though only a few roads are marked) you are required
>to pull over and let them by.  This is the law.  

Close.  It's really 5 or more cars, where passing is unsafe, and
only when it's safe to pull off.  Specifically,

RCW 46.61.427  Slow moving vehicle to pull off roadway.  
  On a two-lane highway where passing is unsafe because of 
traffic in the opposite direction or other conditions, a slow 
moving vehicle, behind which five or more vehicles are formed 
in a line, shall turn off the roadway wherever sufficient area 
for a safe turn-out exists, in order to permit the vehicles 
following to proceed.  As used in this section a slow moving 
vehicle is one which is proceeding at a rate of speed less 
than the normal flow of traffic at the particular time and 
place.

As noted earlier, "slow moving" is independent of the legal speed
limit unless most drivers obey the limit.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:11:35 GMT

lcline@agora.rain.com (Larry Cline) writes:
: >It isn't *government* which is limiting personal freedoms in order to make
: >expenses lower; it's the *people*.  The majority of people voted these
: >seatbelt, helmet, etc. laws into effect, in order to decrease *their*
: >costs.
: 
: I believe the term for this is "tyranny of the majority".

Not that I'm defending the concept, but just look at the US government, and
what do you see: the same thing.  The majority votes in who they want for
their representatives, and that is what everyone is stuck with.  If that
rep likes to chop down all the forests (or not chop anything), then that
is what you get.  It is *all* "tyranny of the majority".

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Video Only ad
Keywords: stupid
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:47:41 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Dec22.211412.5522@u.washington.edu> cummings@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
>
>	There's an ad for "Video Only" on TV where they solicit
>testimonials from a bunch of Plain Folks about how cheap everything is
>there.  One guy make the comment (not quite verbatim), "I checked around,
>and everything here is about 12% less.  But that 12% is like 50% to me."
>
>	HUH?!?!
>
>	Anyone have any idea what this could possibly mean?
>
>	I know it's just a stupid ad, but my wife and I both think this is
>pretty funny and wonder whether we're missing something.

Funny, my wife and I have been wondering the same thing!  We can't figure
it out what he meant or why they would choose to use that particular 
individual.... he just makes us wonder if he's got the ability to know
if he got a good deal or not.


-- 
Michael Burr  Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
              Email:mnb@voodoo.ca.boeing.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.talk.poli
From: davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn)
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Date: 26 Dec 92 07:55:14 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Scott Linn writes:

>It isn't *government* which is limiting personal freedoms in order to make
>expenses lower; it's the *people*.  The majority of people voted these
>seatbelt, helmet, etc. laws into effect

Not this one.  The King Co. bike helmet law was enacted by 3 unelected
bureaucrats, the Co. Board of Health.  Voters had no say in the matter.
From: jmethve@uswnvg.com (John Methven)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Christmas Lights
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:06:17 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

THERE IS A HOUSE ON 3RD NW IN ISSAQUAH BETWEEN FRONT STREET AND NEWPORT WAY
THAT IS WORTH A VISIT. THIS HOUSE IS DECORATED BEYOND BELIEF. SO IF YOU LIVE
ON THE EASTSIDE MAKE TRIP A TRIP TO THIS HOUSE IN ISSAQUAH AND YOU WILL NOT BE
DISAPPOINTED.

JOHN
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Educational Game software
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:14:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.103148.666@eskimo.com> kylee@eskimo.com (K.Y. Lee) writes:
>I need your advise on this late Xmas shopping.   I would like to buy a
>game program that is educational.  Someone suggested Carmen Sandiago, but
>then another said this may be too advanced for a 10 year old girl.  Who;s
>right? 
>
>Any suggestion would be appreciated.  If Carmen Sandiago (I am thinking
>about history or geography here), any other alternative?  I know little
>about games.

My wife's class of 9 and 10 year olds loves "Where in the World is
Carmen Sandiego".

Bill

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Newsgroups: seattle.test
From: muhamk@microsoft.com (Muhammad Karim)
Subject: Test
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:36:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: seattle
Keywords: test

This is a test only.
Sorry for any inconvience.
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: test
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:21:38 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

test

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: Testing
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:15:55 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

Testing, what a drag...

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: test
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:37:06 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

test

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: test
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:09:59 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

test

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: Testing
Date: 27 Dec 92 02:01:53 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

Test

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: Test
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:06:29 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

Testing.  I hope this gets out this time!

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: Test, last time?
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:15:46 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

I am testing once again. I hope this will be the last time...

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
Newsgroups: seattle.test
From: wwonko@eskimo.com (Louis Erickson)
Subject: This is a TEST.
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:14:56 GMT


Hello there, seattle.  I'm trying to see if this message will reach
my local site, called rdwarf.  I BELIVE I have rdwarf finally set
so that it will take messages from here.  It will accept messages
that it batched now.  But talking to myself isn't much fun, so I am
tryin to get Eskimo to talk to me.

Now, is there any good reason why Eskimo would reject batches I send?
Newsgroups: seattle.test
From: jimt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tollefson)
Subject: Testing new cnews install
Reply-To: jimt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com
Organization: BoGart System Tools
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:39:36 GMT


Just testing new c-news install.  Hope this works.
JimT
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 that policy would also keep them from doing clever things."  (Doug Gwyn)
From: briank@ars2.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: YAT
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:11:12 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Automated Retail Systems, Seattle, Wa

local posting test
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Newsgroups: seattle.test