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From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Adult women seducing male children
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:14:37 GMT

In article <gfLD4Ty00Uh_I_JGYn@andrew.cmu.edu>, ad1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gerard Deckert) writes:

|>     Isn't 12 just as arbitrary as any other age?  Your argument doesn't
|> get any better by substituting one arbitrary value with another...

Yes it is.  Unfortunately, there is not objective way to quantify 
maturity, or advancement of physical puberty, or what ever else you might
want to use to judge someone's ability to give consent.  There is an 
age at which children do not think of sex and do not welcome sexual
activities.  There comes an age where this changes.  The age is different
for every person.  You can't define it quantitatively.  Since we live in
an imperfect world and an imperfect society, we choose age as the determinant.
12 is not a reasonable age since many childre are pre-pubescent at that 
age and cannot/would not consent to sex.

|>     To sum things up, I am on principle opposed to any sort of age-based
|> restriction (and to arbitrary restrictions in general, but that's a
|> story for another time).  The important restrictions involve
|> consensuality - an absolute must in _any_ situation, romantic or
|> otherwise.  

There is a big problem here.  Place this view into a real life setting.
An adult has sex with a nine year old.  The nine year old is scared.
The adult says "you really want to do this don't you?"  The child knows
the adult is powerful and doesn't know how to handle the situation.
He/she says "I guess so..." and whimpers.  Later, the attorney for the
adult puts the child on the stand and demands to know "did you consent?"
"What does that mean" asks the child.  "Did you tell him/her it was okay?".
"Yes" replies the child.  Case is closed.  This child did not have the
capacity to deny consent.  Children are immature and are manipulated
by adults all the time.  It is, and should be, against the law to
manipulate and exploit children in this particular way.  In an imperfect
world, age is the very best way to define the law, in my opinion.  Of 
course, pedophiles will argue to the death why this view is wrong, but
we know why they do this, don't we?
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: PolySongs
From: patrickm@netlink.cts.com (Patrick McKinnion)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:02:24 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

  While on the subject of songs, my I reccomend a oldie...
 
       "Triad" - The Jefferson Airplane.
 
   I don't have all the lyrics written down, (I'll post them when I do), 
but the chorus is - "I don't really see/why can't we go on as three"
  
   Thought I'd toss in my .02    :)
 
         -- Patrick McKinnion

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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Anarchist forum in NYC, Jan. 28, 1993
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:50:28 GMT

There will be an anarchist forum in NYC this Thursday
(January 28) on the subject:

"Anarchism and Capitalism: Friends or Enemies"

Speakers: Perry Metzger (anarcho-capitalist) & Steve Shalom (anti-capitalist)

I'm sure many or most of you know Perry from the net; Steve is a professor 
of political science, writes for Z Magazine (among others), and is editor of
the book "Socialist Visions" (South End Press).  They will debate the
virtues of capitalism and its compatibility with anarchism.  (This won't be
a formal debate--the two will each get a chance to speak, and then there will
be a question-and-answer/discussion period open to everybody.)  This should
be a particularly lively forum.

This event is FREE (donations requested/appreciated)
Please come!

Place:
Penn South Community Center
369 Eighth Ave. (corner W. 29 St.)
NYC

Sponsor: Libertarian Book Club*


* The Libertarian Book Club is anarchist, not Libertarian.  The group
was founded in 1949 when the word "libertarian" meant "anarchist," and
refuses to change its name.
From: blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: EFX Pedal/Circuit Diagram
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana

DOes anyone have a circuit diagram for any effects pedals?
I am interested in examining them inorder to design my own.
Also, if you know of any good refrences on the subject (ie.
what does the pedal actually do to the sound wave?) would you
please email them to me
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Re: Spin Doctors Update
From: <RSNDLH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:47:10 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

I forgot to add this:
Jimmy Olsen's Blues (Intro)

e+------10------8--8-------3--3---3--3--x--5--5--5--5--5----------------|
B+------10------8--8-------3--3---3--3--x--5--5--5--5--5----------------|
G+-/11------/9-------------4--4---4--4--x--6--6--6--6--6----------------|
D+-----------------------------------------------------7----------------|
A+----------------------------------------------------------------------|
E+----------------------------------------------------------------------|
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Urban Legends
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:38:04 GMT

jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
 
>Hello knowledgible guitar types. I'm trying to confirm or refute a couple
>of urban legends (you know, those things everybody says they did or saw or
>know someone who did it or say it, though it never really happeded).
>
>Supposedly, Jimi Hendrix was once asked, "How does it feel to be the
>world's greatest guitar player?" His response was, "I don't know. Ask Eric
>Clapton."
 
That's funny, Clapton supposedly shook nervously in awe the first
time he saw Jimi play. Read his bio(s).
 
I seem to remember hearing about and seeing a film of Jimi on the
Dick Cavette show when they asked him something like "OK, you're
the best, but who is second best?" to which he answered something
like "A young man from the Motor City named Ted Nugent".
 
Ted had a hit then with the Amboy Dukes called "Journey to the center of
the mind" (sp?) and it was a pretty awsome tune--used feedback, nice
riffs, etc....
 
>in fact urban legends, and never really happened; but I'd like proof one
>way or the other. If anyone can be of some help, please email me (I'm not
>real conscientious about reading this group).
 
Sorry dude. I posted. :)
 
Watch a few Hendrix documentaries for more good legends.
 
 
 
 
--Eric                       ///\\
                             o/o-)
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu    _\- /|___
                           / >7__/<  \
HUMANS MUST BE DESTROYED! / |\ \/ / \ \  DESTROY, DESTROY, DESTROY!!!
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: 901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte)
Subject: DRILL.GIF (0/2) Eddie Van Halen & Drill!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:39:30 GMT

This is a pointer post to a GIF in another group.
As I said before, I have stopped posting pictures into this
group.  Only the pointer posts will appear here.

DRILL.GIF -  Eddie takes a solo with his cordless drill on the
	     F.U.C.K. tour.

Sitting NOW in alt.binaries.pictures!

		  - Kevin
From: mfallero@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: SGX 2000 Tone Help
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:09:03 MST


Are there any ART SGX 2000 users out there that have created their
own presets?  I've been trying to get killer sustain without a lot
of distortion out of my unit and haven't had much luck.  I've also
been unsuccessful at getting a blues tone that I like out of the unit.

It would be nice to hear from other owners who would like to share their
presets.  I must admit that I haven't spent a lot of time at it, but I
think I've fiddled around enough to ask for help.

Thanks,

Mark Falleroni
TRW Defense Systems
Ogden Engineering Operations
Ogden, Utah 84403
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 28 Jan 1993 11:23:32 PST
From: <WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Santana tone info wanted
 <1993Jan26.112108.9336@sco.com>

In article <1993Jan26.112108.9336@sco.com>, leff@sco.COM (Bill Leff) says:
>
>In article <1993Jan26.065702.10886@midway.uchicago.edu>
>kamartin@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Hello out there,
>>
>>       Last night I had the pleasure of having my first exposure to the music
>>of Carlos Santana (ABRAXAS).  I noticed his seemingly endless sustain, as
>well
>>as an interesting semi-dirty tone.  What exactly does he use to get that
>>unique sound of his, as far as specfic guitars, amps, etc.?  Thanks a lot.
>>
>>-Kai Martin (kamartin@midway.uchicago.edu)
>
>Carlos uses a Mesa Boogie Mark I amp (head or combo) with 12" speaker
>with open back cabinets. He uses a PRS guitar with old Gibson PAF
>humbucking pickups. He's also used a Strat occasionally and used
>to use a Gibson ES-335. He uses a wah-wah, but no distortion pedals,
>to my knowledge. I think I may have seen pictures of him with a
>Gibson SG as well.

Carlos used to do an endorsement for the Gibson L6-S.  I have an old Gibson
catalog with his picture on the cover with a white L6-S in his hands.  In last
months "Guitar Player" an article showed a very young Carlos with a Les Paul
Junior.  I think that like a lot of us guitar players Carlos uses whatever
guitar pleases him at the moment.

He was quoted in the article saying he likes the old, hand-made PRS guitars.
Very heavy but great tone.

Brian
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ezad133@chpc.utexas.edu (Jim A. Andrews)
Subject: Re: new guitar recommendations
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:59:09 GMT

Jeez, you can spend up to $1000 and you can't figure out what
to get?  Why not something that's gonna hold its value (which
the Carvin won't and probably not the Hamer either).  For that
kind of money you can get a GREAT Les Paul/Strat/etc that will
be (or is) a collector's item.  I'm sure that there are so-called
metal guitars that are really fine instruments, perhaps the ones
you suggested, but at least around here you can get them for
dirt, new or used.            

Of course, the real answer to your question is to get the
one that makes your blood race.  If you love that Carvin, and
you just can't keep your hands off of it and end up practicing it
four hours a day, you'll be a lot better off than if you get my
fantasy-Strat and it sits in the corner.  HOWEVER, in general,
the brands you're talking about will probably not resell real
well.  Caveat emptor, and all that.  

By the way, have you checked out Paul Reed Smith, Godin, Musicman,
and customs?  You could probably get a basic custom built for 
about $1200 - $1500, I think.

Or here's an idea . . . buy two good used guitars, or one and a new
amp, or one and six months worth of lessons, or one and a days worth
of studio time, or, or, or, damn, I wish I had a thousand bucks!!!
From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (L'Angelo Misterioso)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Urban Legends
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Similarly, I was told once that when Eric Clapton was asked the same question
>after Jimi Hendrix died, his response was "I'm not, Phil Keaggy is."
> 
>What I'm looking for is some source that can verify either of these two
>exchanges (i.e, when, where, and to who it was said). My guess is they are
>in fact urban legends, and never really happened; but I'd like proof one
>way or the other. If anyone can be of some help, please email me (I'm not
>real conscientious about reading this group).

	Along somewhat similar lines, I heard an interview with Eric on the
radio a few years back. When the 'Clapton is God' subject came up, he said
that when he saw that picture, he noticed a dog in the corner pissing on the
wall under the 'Clapton is God' graffitti. He figured it was appropriate :)

mike
From: drkerns@sony7.sdrc.com (sean kerns)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Artificial harmonics
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:45:05 GMT
Organization: SDRC

In article <1993Jan23.232327.19103@cs.tulane.edu>, butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:
|> 
|>     Speaking of harmonics, could some of the more experienced guitarists out
|> there give me some pointers on techniques to sounding artificial harmonics?
|> Do you use your index or middle finger or choke up on the pick?  Sounding the
|> harmonics isn't difficult, its just playing them at fast speeds that is
|> really difficult for me.  I've noticed alot of guitarists, especially in the
|> hard rock/heavy metal genres, have mastered these techniques and use them in
|> there music alot.  They blaze through a solo or even an up tempo riff, sound
|> some harmonics and keep on going.  Can someone give me some insight?  Thanks.
|> 
|> Blake


I usually just choke up on the pick and get the harmonics with my thumb as I pick.

Snake
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: levin@lmoadm.enet.dec.com (Suegene Levin)
Subject: Help with value of guitars
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:43:03 GMT

A friend of mine is looking to sell a couple of guitars and would like to
determine the value of them.

Gibson SG Firebrand, made in late '70s, mahogany color finish.

Martin acoustic, 1931, all mahogany, small body, 00-17.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Suegene
levin@lmoadm.enet.dec.com



Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:30:08 -0500 
From: "C. Mark DelSesto" <cd1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Artificials

AH's can also be made with the other fingers as well.  I for one use an
unorthadox method of singeing the string with my right hand ring finger.
I use the are between the last knuckle and the tip.  This takes much
practice, but I have found the clarity and definition to be unparalleled
by any other method.  the distance between the pick and your finger should
be small.  I dunno if this will work for you, but I have a fair time with
it.  Good Luck!
Ken (on a friend's account for Bboard access)
Email: m952226@PRATT.nadn.navy.mil
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From: MIZUTANT@wharton.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Tube Amp Recommendations
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:20:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar, rec.music.makers
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan26.160814.11650@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>,
chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn) wrote: 
 
:    I recently sold my amp and effects because the need for warm tone,
: smooth overdrive and sweet sustain overcame me.   My first love is th
blues, : so I have no great desire for gigantic amounts of HIGH gain, but
: plenty of overdrive is desired (ala Roy Buchanan).  Money is a
: consideration, and I only want to spend up to about $550.  Of course
: I'm going to go out and play, play, play on what I can find, but
sometimes
: its hard to try them all, so I'd like to hear from all you tube
: aficionados.  Are the well known brands all they're cracked up to be?
: Are there solid state amp just as good in the price range, with just as  
  : good "tone" (whatever you want that to mean)?  Send replys to this news
: group, or to my email address.  If there's enough response I create a
: summary.  Thanks.
: 
: Here are some that I'm considering based on price, design, and
reputation:
: 
: New:
: 
: - Peavey's new tweed amps.  50 watts, vintage design, comes in 2x12 and
:   4x10 combos.  Also small 15 watt 1x10 may become available sometime.
: 
: - Carvin XV112, all tube 100 watt, 1x12 combo.
: 
: - Hughes & Kettner ATS 60 Combo.  65 watt, 1x12 combo, with I believe
:   a tube preamp.
: 
: Used:
: 
: - Bedrock BC-75 Combo, 2x12 vintage all tube combo, 75 watts.
: - Bedrock Lead 50c combo, all tube 1x12 combo, 75 watts.
: 
: - Tubeworks 2112 combo 1x12, 100 watts, tube preamp, "MosValve" power
amp.
: 
: - Laney Tube combo, 1x12, various wattages.
: 
: - Mesa Boogie, studio .22, 22 watt, all tube.  (Are M/B's as good as they
:   are expensive? What kind of sound are they designed for?)
: 
: Solid State:
: 
: - Possibly a new Crate or Gallien Krueger?
: 
: Chris (chris@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu)

I have a Mesa Boogie studio .22. Love it. Bought it new for $650. Tone may
not be to your liking if warm dark-sounding amp + pickups of the same ilk
combine to be too dark-sounding.

In regards to what they are designed for, they can play nearly any type of
music, metal, classic rock, blues, etc. One of the smoothest sounding amps
around. (Wish I had the money to hook it up to a 4x12" stack!)

Taka Mizutani
MIZUTANT@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: META <META@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: MOSFET distortion
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:57:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.210942.27341@ultb.isc.rit.edu> whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>I've built JFET preamp stages that match a 12AX7's transfer characteristics
>>to within around 1% or so.  And Craig Anderton's "Tube Fuzz" project in
>>fact uses the complementary MOSFETs in a CMOS inverter to get a tube power
>>amp distortion.  So yeah, it works.
>
>Is the Craig Anderton's "Tube Fuzz" project from a book or magazine?
>      Bill
>
The circuit can be found in Craig's book "Electronic Projects for
Musicians" (2nd edition).  It uses a single 4049 hex inverter chip
and is remarkably simple to build.  I've been using a variant of
that circuit for some time and like it a lot.  I might point out
that the onein EPFM is, IMHO, inferior sounding to a cirrcuit Craig
had in GP some time back in 76 or 77, also using a 4049.

 Personally, I prefer to stick an op-amp gain stage ahead of the
4049.  For whatever reasons, the 4049 seems to distort more sweetly
if it is being called on to field a large-amplitude signal, as
opposed to creating one.  So, instead of using the 1-10meg resistors
that Craig sticks in the feedback loop, I use 100k and 220pf caps to
take out the top end, and stick a x20 gain stage ahead of that.  Gives
a very soulful dirty sound.

The EPFM book can be had from a variety of sourrces, but I recommend
getting Stewart-MacDonalds' Guitar Shop Supply Catalog, and
orderring from them.  (ohmygOD! wAS THAT A COMMERCIAL ENDORSEMENT?)

Mark Hammer

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fprince@cwis.unomaha.edu (Frank E. Prince)
Subject: Re: Artificial harmonics
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:52:03 GMT

butterwo@cs.tulane.edu  writes:
> 
>     Speaking of harmonics, could some of the more experienced guitarists out
> there give me some pointers on techniques to sounding artificial harmonics?
> Do you use your index or middle finger or choke up on the pick?  Sounding the
> harmonics isn't difficult, its just playing them at fast speeds that is
> really difficult for me.  I've noticed alot of guitarists, especially in the
> hard rock/heavy metal genres, have mastered these techniques and use them in
> there music alot.  They blaze through a solo or even an up tempo riff, sound
> some harmonics and keep on going.  Can someone give me some insight?  Thanks.
> 
> Blake

I usually hold the pick between the thumb and forefinger with very little pick
protruding, so I can just roll my thumb back for downstrokes and the flesh
will touch right after the pick and sound a random false harmonic. I've also
worked on adjusting my forefinger so I can sound one with the upstroke. This
is really hard at first, but neat when you nail it. Another way is to hold the
pick between the thumb and second finger, and touch a harmonic with the first
finger extended to a certain point along the string. This is neat because you
can select the exact harmonic by where you touch the string. For instance, if 
you play A on the 2nd fret 3rd string and simultaneously touch the 14th fret
you'll get a harmonic an octave up. If you reach to touch the 9th fret, the 
harmonic will be an octave and a 5th from the original note. You can also
use this technique by fretting the note with the left hand and tapping the
harmonic with the right. I think van halen used this one a lot. If you
want to get pretty deep with this you might check out a first-year music
theory for a list of all the possible harmonics. I believe it goes:
octave(12 frets from the note), octave and a 5th(7 frets), 2 octaves(5 frets),
2 octaves and a major 3rd(4 frets). That's all I'm really sure of, but if you
check by doing this on an open string you can just keep moving your finger
towards the nut and you'll find more. 
Also, the tone and distortion of the amp seems to make a lot of difference,
i.e. the hotter the better. :).		
				Frank
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso)
Subject: Re: HELP:Twisting neck
Reply-To: ali@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:55:57 GMT

Could it be the guitar?  I own a Guild Starfire that i had found in the basement of a friends house. it had been there, (in the case, strung, under a pile of rubble (some bricks, sheet rock, dust...) under a table) for about 15+ years.  it needed to cleaned, restrung....that's it..  i works great.  the most wonderful thing about it was that she GAVE it to me.  her brother was in a band that many years ago, stashed it there, and forgot about it.    
---
Alan Macaluso		 			PURPLE MOON GIANTS
ali@cns.nyu.edu  				158 E. 7th. St. #B5
(212) 998-7837					NYC  10009
						(212) 982-6630
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From: broohaha@camelot.bradley.edu (Alden Arzaga)
Subject: Mandolin
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:39:54 GMT


Does anyone out there know the tuning of a mandolin?

4ths?  5ths?  If you know the notes and appropriate strings, I would
be most grateful.

Please e-mail responses.  If there's enough interest, I will post a
summary.

Thanks a lot!

aL
broohaha@camelot.bradley.edu
--
	"Die young is far too boring these days."
				--Helmet
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: larsen@unislc.uucp (Steve Larsen)
Subject: Re: Arsenio's guitar player
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:23:16 GMT

Frank E. Prince (fprince@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone know what gear the guitarist on Arsenio uses? I really like
: his sound, particularly the bass response on the low notes when he's 
: doing his rockin' fusion solos.
: 			Thanks,
: 				Frank

It's an Ibanez, I believe.
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Harmonics
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:06:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

In article <28647@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, sjwyrick@lbl.gov (Steve Wyrick) wrote:
> I guess I gotta get into this too.  According to what I've read, tuning
> by harmonics, although easier because you can hear the beats, is
> inaccurate.  I may be on shaky ground here, but as I remember, the reason
> has something to do with tempered tuning; ie the harmonics are always
> slightly off from the fretted notes (except at fret 12?).

 Yep. In equal temperament, the pure 5th (that you get when you hit the
harmonic at the 7th fret) is a few cents (100ths of an octave) off
compared to the tempered 5th (the kind you want to get so that all your
half steps are equal, and you can be in tune in every key). It's best
to tune by octaves.

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