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From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: Re: Dio and Black Sabbath (what's going on??)
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:53:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.200351.4258@nic.funet.fi>, tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:

[... about Dio leaving Black Sabbath because Ozzy joined them ...]

> I haven't ever hated Ozzy. But I'm starting to feel some kind of hate
> now, if Dio quits Sabbath because of this thing. If Ozzy comes and
> takes Sabbath with him, he stole Sabbath from Dio (that is, if Dio
> still wanted to sing for Sabbath). It is my opinion only, feel free to
> agree or disagree. No flames, please.

Well, I allways thought of Black Sabbath as being Ozzy's band. So 
I wouldn't call it stealing but I see your point.
 
> If Ozzy stole Sabbath from Dio, what Dio should do then? I really hope
> that he'd gather the old band together with Rowan on guitars. Then one
> studio album with quality of Holy Diver or Dehumanizer or Heaven And
> Hell, one big world tour after it (This time also to Finland... I
> don't have too much money to travel to somewhere else to see him) and
> final double live album in 1994 or 1995.

Another idea, why doesn't he join Ozzy's band which would then 
ofcourse be called something else.

Or regroup with Ritchie Blackmore and start Rainbow again!

    Mike
From: lindamo@ism.isc.com (Linda M.)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Dio and Black Sabbath (what's going on??)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:48:10 GMT
Organization: SunSoft Inc., Los Angeles, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparkle
Keywords: Is Dio still in the band??

In article <1992Dec23.021241.4754@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>In <1h846kINN75i@smaug.West.Sun.COM> lindamo@ism.isc.com (Linda M.) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec21.200351.4258@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>
some stuff deleted...

>
>>I think you may have misunderstood the situation.  Ozzy meant to cause no
>>problem, and was very surprised that Dio took things the way he did.
>
>I wouldn't be so sure about that. At least when I first heard that
>Sabbath has been asked to open for Ozzy's last gig (at that time it
>was only one gig but it grew to two gigs), I was sure that Dio won't
>like too much of this. I hadn't heard any word from Dio by that time
>about this situation.
>
Don't you think that even if Ozzy had meant to cause a dispute, which I would
strongly suggest that he didn't, it would have been more adult and mature
to go along with it if the other band members wanted to, rather than pitch
a fit, stamp your foot, and throw a spaz?

Don't get me wrong, I've always loved Dio's stuff, but I thought this was
very lame. 

Linda Moore
>This sounds great... Does anyone know what's up with Craig Goldie's
>Ritual? 

Saw them live quite a while back now and they were truly appalling.  I hope
they have since written some decent material, 'cause Goldie can be quite
good on guitar.

Happy Holidays!
From: campoe@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Campo Erik)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: About Craig Goldie
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:19:12 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

This is from the spanish "Metal Hammer" magazine: it seems that Craig Goldie
has joined Frank Starr (from Four Horsemen) and had formed a band named Hard
Luck. So, don't know if Craig would return with Dio (if Rowan wouldn't or 
couldn't); what I'm pretty sure of is that Campbell won't; but then who knows?
Anything can happen in the Metal wolrd...

Erik The Viking.


-- 
Erik Campo campoe@JSP.UMontreal.Ca -- "Between the velvet lies
                                       There's a truth that's made of steel
                                       The vision never dies
                                       Life's a never ending wheel" R.J.Dio 1983
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Monsters of Rock are Poseurs
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:37:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Yesterday I read abt black sabbath (original line-up) participating
on Monsters of Rock festival in Donington 1993.

Jesus fucking Christ, the bands that will play there will be:
Bon Jovi, Guns'N'Roses, Extreme and other pussy crap.
Holy shit. What the fuck these poseur bands have to do with MONSTERS of Rock?
                                                            ^^^^^^^^

Fuck these loooking_like_a_woman Bon Jovi, Guns'n'Poseurs and other pussy shit!


Why not Metallica or anything like that?


Leonid,
             
              Boston,

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From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Dio and Black Sabbath (what's going on??)
Keywords: Is Dio still in the band??
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:49:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec21.200351.4258@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:

>I haven't ever hated Ozzy. But I'm starting to feel some kind of hate
>now, if Dio quits Sabbath because of this thing. If Ozzy comes and
>takes Sabbath with him, he stole Sabbath from Dio (that is, if Dio
>still wanted to sing for Sabbath). It is my opinion only, feel free to
>agree or disagree. No flames, please.
>
>If Ozzy stole Sabbath from Dio, what Dio should do then? I really hope
                                 ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^

He CAN : Go for Deep Purple, steal Ritchie Blackmore and Roger Glover
from there (from Ian Gillan as well), steal Cozy Powell from Tony
Martini and re-form RAINBOW. Better idea than doing DEHUMANIZER #2


Leonid,
             
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Tony Iommi vs. Randy Rhoads
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:07:57 GMT

>As a soloist, I'd rank Randy above Tony. Tony tends to ramble aimlessly
>with many of his solos.

Remember that he's missing the tips of two fingers.
-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Dio and Black Sabbath (what's going on??)
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:01:30 GMT

>ik, that would be nice, but I'd like to see Purple come out with a few more
>good ones,

Blackmore seems adverse to this.  He trashed Rainbow by bringing in JLT, and
has done the same to DP.
-- 

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From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Tony Iommi vs. Randy Rhoads
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:58:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1h7us6INNi3n@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
>I wonder if you old timer metal heads cam settle a score between me and a
>buddy of mine.  I think Tony Iommi's guitar work in Black Sabbath's Heaven
>and Hell is better than Randy Rhoads guitar work in Diary of a Maddman.
>My hats off to the late great Randy Rhoads, even though he has passed away
>doesn't make him better than the legend Tony Iommi.  I want to hear your
>opinions.
>

I don't like the album H&H that much.But I do think that Iommi is way
a lot better than any Randy's solos.
My Opinion. Ready for flame.

Iommi is the best guitar player.

Here's my top list of lead guitarists:
1.Tony Iommi 
2.Kirk Hammet (Metallica)
3.Ritchie Blackmore
4.Hank Schermann (Mercyful Fate)
Can't think of more.Hate all those Malmsteens and Gary Moors

Here's my top list of rhithm guitarists.
1.Tony Iommi
2.K.Hammet-J.Hetfield
3.K.K.Downing-G.Tipton (Judas Priest)
4.Mille Petrozza (spell?) (Kreator)



Leonid,
             
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Tony Iommi vs. Randy Rhoads
Organization: none
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:02:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.000757.18037@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>As a soloist, I'd rank Randy above Tony. Tony tends to ramble aimlessly
>>with many of his solos.
>
>Remember that he's missing the tips of two fingers.
>-- 
>
>======================================================================8--<

That really has very little to do with it. Ever hear jazz legend Django
Reinhardt? He is considered to be one of the greats of Jazz, and he had
only 2 fingers and a stump on his fretting hand. 

Randy is the finer technician, but I think Tony is the more emotional
player by far!
And as for his "rambling", maybe live, but rarely in the studio, although
a lot of the leads on "Tyr" fit that description perfectly!

Have A New Year!
Pax
					--Judex--
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Rhoads on Dairy ...
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:07:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <144588@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> k-man@diego.llnl.gov (Kevin Anderson) writes:
>I think Iommi's best work is the earliest stuff.  The solos do seem
>to be very much a part of the song.  Heck, we can all sing the solos
>to Paranoid and War Pigs - just what a solo should do.  But, like
>Ritchie Blackmore, his latterday solos are just not up to the early
>stuff IMHO.  Like Blackmore, it seems he is just making noise by wiggling
>his fingers in that part of the song where the solo is supposed to 
>
>A nice general statement there - I don't feel like going song by song -
>but that's how I see it.  I think it is fair to compare the artists
>current works against each other without their entire bodies of work
>entering the picture.  Moore has improved from his Early Seventies stuff
>where Iommi has not and Rhoads just threw us two (not counting his
>Quiet Riot) albums.
>

Well I'd disagree. First listen to solos on Mob Rules and Born Again.
Just solo .... they are awesome IMO.

Then on live shows he (Tony) always plays very cool, professional etc.
I judge guitarists how they play live, not in studio!


Leonid,
             
              Boston,

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From: mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au (Victim Of Changes,,,)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Wishes for '93
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:01:55 GMT
Reply-To: mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1hlsadINNeb5@uwm.edu>, by leranth@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Thomas):
> 
>          Happy New Year to all the regulars I've seen around here for the
>         last 5 years[ Becker, Sime, Sauron(hope I mispelled it ;), ... ]
> 
>      What I'd like to see in   93 ::  [and forget about from the last few yrs]

  (lots of wishes deleted...)

  A couple to add to that:

	1.  Led Zeppelin to NOT reform (it wouldn't be the same).
	2.  Ditto for Black Sabbath.
	3.  Napalm Death to out-sell Madonna on singles charts worldwide!

Victim Of Changes. 
(mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: ZOO TV special
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:47:13 GMT

I am interested in hearing opinions on the ZOO TV television special.
Although I really enjoyed the live footage I found the whole thing
really quite annoying. I understand the point they are trying to make
but really think they went overboard, they didn't need to saturate us
with their ZOO TV to get the message across. Alot less ZOO TV and alot
more live concert footage would have been appreciated, I was
especially annoyed when they cut off Where The Streets Have No Name
right in the middle ( I love this song live! ).

I would be very insterseted to hear your opinions.

Cheers,
Trevor.


--
"Let me be the first to offer you my sincerest contrafibularities."
	- E. Blackadder

Trevor Elbourne 			VLSI and Systems Tecnology (VaST) lab
trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au                Dept of Computer Science & Engineering
trevore@cs.unsw.oz.au                   University of New South Wales
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: kdlayon@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Kristofer D Layon)
Subject: U2  - Zoo TV Tour 1993
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:46:38 GMT

I'm just curious: where are U2 touring right now, having finished up in
the U.S.?  Or are they taking a break for the moment?

I've read rumors of them going to Australia; I know they've already toured
Europe, so I assume they're somewhere else.  Maybe Japan, like in 1989?

My biggest hope, of course, is that they're back in the studio already... =)

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: mcobb@scott.skidmore.edu (mary cobb)
Subject: Re: More Tunes to Crank Up
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:24:26 GMT

I'm a pretty big CCR fan, and I had seen that in Recordtown one day.  
Keep on Chooglin', huh?  I'll have to get the disc.
 
Don't forget NO SUGAR TONITE, by the Guess Who.

Eric
From: woody@vedge.com (Michael Woodall)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Depeche Mode??
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:53:51 GMT
Organization: Visual Edge Software Ltd.

Does anyone out there know what's happened

to Depeche Mode??? Please Reply

				Woody

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: Re: Bonsai books for a beginner?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:35:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.173700.23037@rational.com> kdm@Rational.COM (Kent Mitchell) writes:
>I know this is probably part of the FAQ but damn if I did not loose my copy
>of the FAQ (the old "I don't need that directory of junk any more"


I would be interested in a FAQ, also. When does it come out? Does anyone
have a copy they could send me? Thanks for your help. 

Jean





>syndrome).  Can anyone suggest some good books on the care of Bonsai.  I
>just received a very nice juniper for x-mas and I want to take care of it
>right.
>
>Also, any suggestions on books show differing styles and other information
>to be used for my for general education would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kent Mitchell                                  My thoughts are my own.
> Rational
> Santa Clara, Ca.


-- 
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	purely physical effect on the  human temperament  would most 
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Again, what is bonsai?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:11:29 GMT

dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes:

>>Subject: Again, what is bonsai?
>>
>>Hello!!
>>I'm very sorry I always say "I'll post soon," but I haven't yet.
>>
>>Now, I have a question:
>>In Japan, BONSAI means small trees grown in pots.
>>In English, does the word BONSAI have exactly the same meaning in Japan?
>>or, Is it include flowers in a pot, or big trees grown on the ground?
>>
>>Sorry this is a very basic question:-/
>>
>>Megumi Sorita
>>sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp
>>
	
	I think it includes trees and shrubs (shrubs because many plants
have the ability to grow in both tree and shrub forms). But usually not the
soft leafy forms of flowering plants. A big tree in the ground could be
considered a bonsai if it's growth were directed and limited by pruning,
feeding, water access, and root pruning. But I think most people in the
U.S. think of bonsai as dwarfed, aged, pot grown trees. 
	
	Potted up the feather cypress mentioned earlier in a large,
earthenware, unglazed pot  with a flowing flared body slightly footed.
The earth is mounded softly up around the roots. The tree top droops
umbrella like over all, slightly larger all round than the pot. This pot is
not a traditional japanese bonsai shape but this bonsai is designed to
evoke memories of california hills or beaches. Perhaps the tree one used to
climb in the park, bare earth beneath. 

--Jackie--
From: plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Can it be made into a Bonsai? (False Cypress)
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:41:09 GMT
Reply-To: plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec30.192931.3315@rational.com>, kdm@Rational.COM (Kent Mitchell) writes:

|>My wife bought a little miniature x-mas tree at the local drug store here
|>in the San Francisco USA area.  This was a stupis little tree with
|>decorations on it and cost her a whole $2.  Since x-mas is over and she no
|>longer has any interest in the tree she has donated it to me for Bonsai
|>experimentation.  The tag attached say that it is a "false cypress" and
|>that it is "native the the pacific north-west".  It goes on to state that
|>the trees are "popular in Europe" and miniature x-mas trees.  This could
|>all be marketing but here are my questions.
|>
|>1. Has anyone ever heard of a False Cypress
|>2. Can this tree be used in Bonsai
|>3. If yes to the above, how is it usually styled?
|>
|>Thanks in advance for any help provided,
|>

I think the False Cypress is the same kind of tree that I used to have.
I had mine planted as a miniature forest: three groupings of several trees
each with a path through it that turned into a tiny stream when I watered it.
It didn't need any major pruning because they were in a forest setting but
I would regularly nip the tips off to keep them small. (It smelled wonderfully
like orange or citrus when I nipped it.) Alas... I had it outside overnight
when a small animal (probably a mole) dug it up (I think to look for food)
and destroyed many of the roots. It was never the same after that and died
soon afterwards.   :'(      

It was my favorite and I am planning to make a new forest with False Cypress
trees next spring in the same pot. I hope you have better luck with yours! 

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: kdm@Rational.COM (Kent Mitchell)
Subject: Bonsai books for a beginner?
Organization: Rational
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:37:00 GMT

I know this is probably part of the FAQ but damn if I did not loose my copy
of the FAQ (the old "I don't need that directory of junk any more"
syndrome).  Can anyone suggest some good books on the care of Bonsai.  I
just received a very nice juniper for x-mas and I want to take care of it
right.

Also, any suggestions on books show differing styles and other information
to be used for my for general education would be appreciated.

 Thanks

 Kent Mitchell                                  My thoughts are my own.
 Rational
 Santa Clara, Ca.
From: sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp (Megumi Sorita)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Again, what is bonsai?
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:27:42 GMT
Distribution: alt.bonsai
Organization: Fujitsu Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


Hello!!
I'm very sorry I always say "I'll post soon," but I haven't yet.

Now, I have a question:
In Japan, BONSAI means small trees grown in pots.
In English, does the word BONSAI have exactly the same meaning in Japan?
or, Is it include flowers in a pot, or big trees grown on the ground?

Sorry this is a very basic question:-/

Megumi Sorita
sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: 900082m@ace.acadiau.ca (KATHLEEN MCLEAN)
Subject: My friend has this boxwood
Summary: what to do
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:31:11 GMT

So like I said, my friend has this boxwood and  he doesn't know what to do  
with it.  How often to water it, where to keep it, whether or not he  should 
shower with it in the same  room... any information on basic bonsai boxwood 
care would be greatly appreciated.  The simpler the better. Thanks in 
advance if  there's anyone out there who could email me some tips.
	Kathleen