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From: kiymaz@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (koray kiymaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re:Friendship
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:29:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct15.152939.947
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-903]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <1992Oct15.134155.17532@csd.uch.gr> chstu59@pasifae.cc.uch.gr (Giorgos) writes:
>hello
>this is a test from Iraklio/Greece,I hope it will reach you.
>I support the greek-turkish friendship :) Have a nice day!
>Giorgos

I was afraid I would never hear any greek talking about friendship. After so 
many senseless accusations from a couple of lunatics, it is a sigh of relief
to hear from Giorgos. After all, it seems we have still some hope to start
some constructive discussions in this newsgroup. Why , in the world, we are
fighting with each other, while we have so many economic and cultural 
opportunities to exploit. It seems that, yet some of us are not aware that
next century will be the century of intelligence, cooperation and common
sense. Those who are looking for any reward in digging the past are going
to realize that they are going to be far behind those who value the intelligence and the vision. I hope Giorgos'posting will encourage more people to talk 
about friendship and cooperation rather than hate and vengeance.

Koray
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its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world 
as it is, and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence, and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it.
                                         B. Russell
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Thousands of Nazi Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:53:57 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <39303@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (GOTCHA!) writes:

>  Caution: my future posts will contain a higher dose
>of sarcasm, humor, and spice.  If you have a known
>ilness such as high blood pressure, enphazima, or other
>please create a kill file on my posts.

No sweat. I am a great believer in hedging my bets. Well, anyhow, by 1942, 
Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network of pro-German 
collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands of Armenians 
were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. 
Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler
in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent'
state under German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian
National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the
'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this 
side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. 
They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the 
war.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Subject: Re: Polland vs Turkiye
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:43:47 GMT

C. Akgun (cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com) wrote:
: 
: Result is 1-0 against Turkiye.  I have no idea how was
: this game.  Of course, there is no way for Turkiye to
: become qualified for 1994 WC among Britain, Holland, Norway, and
: Poland.
: 
: C. Akgun

Sen git topu kafayla polanyanin nune at,
ulan Hakan, Avrupa Kupalarinda gol atarsin
milli macta kendi kalene gol atarsin- sen futbolcu
olmasin- ne olacak zaten Galatasarayli....


Yasasin Karakartal...


Hilmi Eren
Department Of Computer And Systems Science
Stockholm Universty, Sweden
Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
From: hkanb@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Kemal Anbarci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish food in LA????
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:58:59 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

Merhaba,

We just moved to La Habra and would like to visit Turkish Restaurants in the
area.  Any Turkish Restaurant in LA and Orange counties will do fine.

If you know any such restaurants and/or good Turkish/Greek/Armenian grocery
stores please drop couple of lines to:
                                      hkanb@chevron.com

Tesekkurler,

Kemal Anbarci

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From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Bosna Haberleri
Date: 14 Oct 1992 08:41:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

mitvma.mit.edu!SMCVAX.BITNET!A_KADIOGLU

  Uluslararasi ajanslarin bildirdigine gore 8 ekimde ABD Hukumeti
 Ingiliz ve Fransiz hukumetlerinin yardimi ile Birlesmis milletler
 Guvenlik Konseyinden Bosna Hersek Uzerinden hava ucuslarini
 yasaklayan bir karar aldilar. Karara gore eger ucuslar tekrar Bosna-Hersek
 uzerinden Sirplar tarafindan yapilirsa, Guvenlik Konseyi olagan ustu
 olarak is basina cagirilarak daha sert bir karar almasi saglanacak.
 Bosna Hersek'in Sirp lideri kararin gereksiz ve anlamsiz oldugunu
 belirterek Sirplarin gecen haftanin basindan itibaren zaten Sirp
 ucaklarinin ucuslarini yasakladigini belirtti. Bu asil kis ile
 beraber gelen soguklara hic bir care getirmiyor, ABD Istatistik
 burosunun verilerine gore 400.000 kisinin donarak olecegi
 belirtiliyor. Su ana kadar olu sayisi 50.000+14.500= 64.500 kisi

  Uluslararasi Ambargo gozlemcileri Romanya'ya vardilar
 Romanya'ya radyosunun bildirdigine gore ABD, Austurya ve Turk gozlemciler
 Yugoslavya'ya uygulanan ambargonun isleyip islemedigini rapor etmek icin
 Romanya'da bulunuyorlar.

Bosnalilar yardimlarinizi bekliyor! Kista, karda yiyecek, battaniye
alinmasina yardimci olalim. Unutmayin $5 dolar bir battaniye alinmasina
yeterli...

Bosna'lilara yardimlarinizi su kuruluslara gonderbilirsiniz:

         Bosnia relief
         1926 freedomlane
         fallschurch,virginia 22043 USA

Food and Relief for Bosnia
227 West Midland Ave.
Paramus NJ 07652

         Ziraat Bank
         Account number 60558000433
         330 Madison Ave. (32nd Floor)
         New York NY 10017
         Tel (212) 557 5612
AHMET MURAT KADIOGLU



jack{trh}6:
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From: teoman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith)
Subject: mail list for news
Reply-To: teoman@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:40:21 GMT

I lost the file where I have info on getting onto the mail list
for turkish news. Can anyone tell me what the commands are for
joining this mailing list?

thanks
Teoman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: bamorrow@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bruce A Morrow)
Subject: I'm trying to find a friend
Summary: my friend taught at TURKISH WAR COLLEGE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:29:53 GMT

My friend ADNAN YARBASI was a Captain in the Turkish Army teaching at the WAR
COLLEGE.   In 1989-1990 he was a guest to the UNITED STATES of AMERICA ARMY to
study with our Army in the state of MARYLAND.  I'm not sure if he is promoted
to the rank of Major, or if he still lives in Belekisir.  My name is BRUCE
MORROW and I am currently a student at the OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, in Ohio, USA.
If you have any information, I'd like to re-establish corospondence with him.
THANK YOU.     BRUCE
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The naked irredentist policy of Hellenism at the expense of Turkiye.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:00:43 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Oct06.194326.38784@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

>Hellas is Greece, Hellenism is the Greek nation, and panhellenic is of all
>Greeks.

Are you excited about it? In regard to 17.5-Year-Old democracy, one 
could easily draw attention to the minority rights of Albanians and 
Turks in Greece. The Greek approach has been to deny that these ethnic 
groups exist, i.e., that the Turks of Thrace are "Hellenic" Muslims. The 
Greek approach has been to refer to the minority problem in Thrace as 
a bunch of people who want 'to speak Turkish and wear fezes.'

An unbiased observer could never comprehend the degree of patience 
and tolerance Turks have shown the Greeks in history. Nevertheless, 
this magnanimity has never been reciprocated by the Greek governments, 
it has mostly been ignored or misinterpreted. Greeks always maneuvered, 
schemed and plotted against Turks, amid a series of idiotically executed 
byzantine intrigues.

If the Turkish government ever sits down at a conference table with the 
Greeks, a broader agenda detailing the naked irredentist policy of 
Hellenism at the expense of Turkiye must be discussed. 

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: gt0702a@prism.gatech.EDU (Muzaffer Kayhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish First Division Soccer Results, 7th. Round
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:19:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Here are the long awaited results of this weekend's games in the Turkish First

Division. This weekend concluded the seventh round of the league competition

in Turkey.

FENERBAHCE - AYDINSPOR   : 1-1

BAKIRKOY - GALATASARAY   : 0-1

BESIKTAS - ANKARAGUCU    : 4-0

BURSASPOR - TRABZONSPOR  : 0-0

KOCAELISPOR - ALTAY      : 2-0

KARSIYAKA - SARIYER      : 1-1

KAYSERI - GAZIANTEPSPOR  : 1-1

GENCLERBIRLIGI - KONYA   : 1-0

There is a slight chance that Karsiyaka-Sariyer and Kayseri-Gaziantep scores

may be in error due to poor signal reception from Voice of Turkey. I could

not hear them properly.


   
-- 
Muzaffer Kayhan
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0702a
Internet: gt0702a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Sinek yokken ortada neden kuyruk sallar "tamtamlar".
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:58:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4t22.1Ip
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pnevmati@milhouse.cs.wisc.edu (Dionisios N. Pnevmatikatos) writes:

>sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>>"Ermeni Mezalimi'nin Erzincan'daki canli sahidi Haci Dursun'un bu 
>> kitabin yazarina aglayarak anlattiklarini arzediyorum:

>[much more stuff I can't understand deleted].

>--Dionisis

>PS 3: >Merakli bir "tamtam"? Tamtam indeed. Merakli indeed too. Whatever
>that means :-)

 But not just "bir."  There are many "tamtams."  And all are "merakli."

 Panos Tamamidis
From: bent@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Argic
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:24:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Distribution: world
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <9210121814@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

> But, I never said a word about you posting so little commentaries.
> 
> 
> Serdar Argic

Hey : this guy is too cute!

Ben Tanner
Bent@Yang.Earlham.edu
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Besiktas-Ankaragucu
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

Besiktas'in Ankaragucu'nu 4-0 yendigi bu haftaki lig macinda golleri
kimin attigini bilen varmi?

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 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Cyprus belonged to the Ottoman Turks 'lock, stock and barrel'.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 23:43:16 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Oct09.222523.83039@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

>Cyprus has been Greek for 29 centuries when the Turks came. Now the Turks
>call the Greeks colonizers?

You live with an illusion. This is the same mentality which allows 
Greeks to rationalize that Cyprus is a Greek Island. No history book 
shows that it ever was. It belonged to the Ottoman Turks 'lock,
stock and barrel' for a period of well over 300 years.

In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, following
bloody naval battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the
island of Cyprus belonged, invariably, to several nations:

The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians,
the Ottoman Turks, of course in that order, owned it as 
their territory. But, it has never been the possession
of the government of Greece - not even for one day -
in the history of the world. Moreover, Cyprus is
located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only 
40 miles from Turkiye's southern coastline.

Saddam Hussein claims that Kuwait was once Iraqi territory 
and the Greek Cypriot government and the Greek governments 
think that Cyprus also was once part of the Greek hegemony.

Those people involved in this grandiose hallucination
should wake up from their sweet daydreams and confront 
reality. Wishful thinking is unproductive, only facts count.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: A state where Turks can now live unmolested and free.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 21:06:28 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Oct07.164449.33648@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

>Nothing wrong. But the Turkish side wants partition (taksim).

Wow. That's a great logo. Nobody has the right to ask the people of 
Turkiye to go through another decade of nightmare just so that the 
Greek governments could give another chance to the Greek Army to 
slaughter more innocent Turks. Greeks had their chance between 1960 
and 1974. But they proved beyond any doubt that Turkish lives and 
rights mean nothing next to the intoxication of their Pan-Hellenistic 
utopias. 

The Turkish action is in conformity with Turkish history, law and 
tradition, let alone with the international law. In 1974 the Junta 
of Greek Colonels sent in a terrorist by the name of Sampson, who 
toppled Makarios' government and began preparations to have Cyprus 
annexed to 'democratic' Greece. At the same time the Greek-Cypriots 
began wholesale massacres of Turkish villagers to simply eliminate
the Turkish Cypriots. It was this event that forced the Turkish 
Army to land in Cyprus on July 20, 1974 and to secure the Northern
part of the island. All Turks were moved to the North and eventually
that led to the formation of the Turkish Republic of Northern 
Cyprus, where Turks can now live unmolested and free. The 'democratic'
government of Greece did not go to war, but its large force on the
Island was badly defeated. The Greeks could not swallow this defeat.
There is a Turkish saying that one cannot cover up the sun with
mud.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: chstu59@ikaros.cc.uch.gr (Giorgos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: hello again
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:25:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Crete HELLAS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

hi again (tekrar merhaba) :)
Although I'm still unexperienced with netnews it seems you
got my mail since I already got an answer to it :) 
I believe that looking at the past won't help us with
future so much.From both sides (greek-turkish) there have
been made mistakes.Now we are here and we should solve all
the troubles in a peaceful way looking at the future and
not the past.Why do you people remember only the bad memories
of the past? As far as I could read in the mails of this list
only unhappy memories were mentioned.How about the agreement
that E. Veninzelos & K. Ataturk were about to sign ? We all
know that all the unhappy facts were caused by other more
"powerful" countries (England,France..) It is alsways a 
political game played behind our back.As far as I have seen
turkish people are so friendly with me,and generally with
greek people.I have my own experiences on that :) So let's
try to make peace with each other ,cause I think that greek
people have more problem accepting a peace,than turks !
I'll be waiting for more positive discussions,
selamlar,
     Giorgos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Jewish and Muslim communities were decimated by the Greeks.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 21:04:01 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BvrLoB.5wF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

> I have to make a suggestion to Mr. Akkus: Check the complexity of your
> reasoning pal, and then start writing about what Greeks think about Turks.
> Hey, also limit your imagination.

Covering up the crimes of your grandfathers? Not a chance.


  <<The Greek War of Independence brought disaster to the Jewish communities
  in the Peloponnesos, where the revolution erupted in 1821. The Jews,
  because of their close association with the Ottoman administration,
  were massacred along with the Turks. The Jewish communities of Mistras,
  Tripolis, and Kalamata were decimated; the few survivors moved north to
  settle in Chalkis and Volos, still under Ottoman rule. Patras lost its
  ancient Jewish community, which was refounded only in 1905.>>


                                         Nikos Stavroulakis
                                      'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: A merciless massacre of the civilian population of a small Azeri town.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:42:55 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1476700570@igc.apc.org> Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org> writes:

>/* Written  9:30 am  Sep 30, 1992 by aziz@seas.gwu.edu in cdp:soc.culture.tu */

A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri 
town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to 
have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military 
operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the 
Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been 
massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten 
and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed 
the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian 
insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the Karabagh 
region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City hospital 
was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant were killed. 
Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to condemn such 
barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its sovereignty.

(Report from Karabakpress of Azerbaijan in Baku)

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)


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