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From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (john lagman )
Subject: Re: Omega Psi Phi
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:32:06 GMT
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management

In article <13060056@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
>From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:16:15 GMT
>Subject: Re: Omega Psi Phi
>
>
>
>my father-in-law is one...  does that count?!
>
>
>peace,
>pjm.

Do you know where he pledged the school and/or chapter name?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Relative brutality [Was Re: I'm Still Waiting
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:36:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa,local

In article ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
| In article johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
| > | >In article ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
| > | >| Whites were not the only race to practice slavery, but they are the first   e
| > | >rac
| > | >| to my understanding to practice the type of brutal slavery performed in the
| > | >| U.S.
| > 
| > I disagreed *only* with
| > it characterisation as being 'more brutal' and asked the original
| > poster to defend his assertion.
| > 
|   I didn't say "More Brutal".  However give me some examples of slavery which
|   has been as brutal as U.S. slavery and has continued for the number of years
|   that slavery did in this nation.  

'first to practice the type of brutal slavery performed in the US'
sounded like 'more brutal' to me.  If that isn't how you meant
it maybe we are trading postings over nothing.

Jamaica, Haiti.

|   America has still held on to its notion of blacks being inferior.

Agreed.

| > No, only 5% arrived in the US because most went to Jamaica, Haiti,
| > Cuba, and Brazil where conditions were much worse.
|   
|   See my posting your figures, 500,000, were wrong it was appx. 900,000
|   in the 16th. century and 2,750,000 in the 17th century see my source in the
|   original posting.

And you are in error.  The first black slave isn't generally believed
to have been seen the North America until about 1630, which is the
17th century.  The correct figure for the 16th century is thus 0.
I gave you my source, too.

Again, I strongly suggest your source is talking about all africans
taken to the new world -- not specifically to territories later
encompasing the US.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:16:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Omega Psi Phi
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american




my father-in-law is one...  does that count?!


peace,
pjm.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racist/Sexist Role Models
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:15:24 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <Bz2vt0.5D7@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:

# But DOES a little racism make affirmative action "necessary"?  I
# don't see why it does.  Particularly in the cases where neither the
# employer/school nor the employee/student has been shown to be
# involved in any racist behaviors or consequences.

It's unfortunate that we sometimes have to pay for the mistakes of
others, but it's not all that unusual.  The careful 18-year-old driver
still pays higher insurance because of his reckless peers.  Men have
trouble getting jobs in the child-care field because of the relatively
higher incidence of child molestation among men in general.  The whole
class has to take a proctored exam together out of fear that a few
might cheat on a take-home.

The Supreme Court ruled over 38 years ago that it expected all US
public schools to be integrated "with all deliberate speed", as I
remember.  In the early '70s, having noticed that the states had
accomplished very little of this assignment after an entire generation
of children had passed through the schools, the courts mandated
forced busing. Now, after another entire generation, it is clear that
schools are still separate and unequal.

If the states had done what they were supposed to have done in the 50s
(not so easy to enforce these laws, eh?), we would not be where
we are today.  But as it is, we see clearly that one major reason
blacks are underrepresented in higher education is that they have been
deprived of lower education, and that the reason they have been so
deprived is traceable directly to race-based policies.

So it's not too surprising that it should be decided that a
substantial number of these students are probably capable enough of
catching up if they are given the opportunity.  Of course there are
non-blacks of whom you could say the same thing, and many blacks have
already achieved parity.  But the only way we could make the system
work better is by spending more on it.  Are you for that?

So maybe that poor soul who ended up at the top of the waiting list
after all the slots were filled never personally discriminated against
any blacks.  But if those schools which short-change black kids had
been set right when they were supposed to have been, there would be
far more black kids on the market today with much higher SATs and
GPAs, so our poor sniveler would probably have ended up at his second
choice in any case.

Again, we are dealing with a complex system, not isolated little
universes in which we can make clean moral judgments.

David


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: fwhite@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Who Killed Malcolm X?!!
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.223548.28560@starbase.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:
>  <Bz5GLx.Ezz@ddsw1.mcs.com>
> Sender:
> Followup-To:
> Distribution:
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> Keywords:
> 
> Aaron Barnhart's vivid excerpt from Mike Royko's book
> brought on a severe attack of double vision in me.  On
> the one hand Royko's account of the state of racist
> politics in Daley's Chicago is the way I remember it.
> But there was an additional side that people in this news-
> group ought not to forget: Chicago's black establishment
> and the Dawson machine.  To say that it was complaisant
> is to put it mildly.  A year or two earlier, when Martin
> Luther King led a march in Chicago, a _colored_ (that was
> then the preferred word of the Chicago Defender) alderman
> (I've forgotten his name: he was one of Congressman Dawson's
> jockstraps) had leaflets passed out in our ward.  The head-
> line: "Civil Rights is a Man Named Daley".
> 
> I mention this because it too should not be forgotten.
> 
> Norman Miller
-- 

					e. fran white
					fwhite@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Who cares what whites think about racism ?
Originator: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:47:41 GMT

After reading most of the articles regarding institutional racsim, ect,
I see that most of the white posters are saying that:

	A. AfAms whine too much because racism isn't as bad as it use to
	be.

	B. Not all whites are racist because they don't trip if an AfAm
	moves next door.

	C. AfAms benefit from AA programs and these programs hurt whites.

And so on and so on. My question is as AfAms, why do we care what white people
think about racism in America ? We as AfAms know perfectly well what the
condition of race relations are. Whites don't live in our world so they don't
understand what we have do deal with on a daily basis. There has been TV show
after TV show which clearly shows that whites are indeed treated far better
than AfAms but whites will argue tooth and nail to the contrary. Of course
many whites say that they understand that racism still exists but of course
they themselves are not racist. But we know that this isn't true. I'm not
saying that ALL whites are racist but its a hell of a lot easier to say that
now as opposed to 20 years ago. For a white person to be an ally of AfAms 
meant that they had to risk their lives. To me these whites are not racist.
But now days whites can say that they are not racist becuase they know that 
there is no way to test them on this point. No one will try to kill them
for supporting AfAms in their quest for equality. So its easy to say that
they are in allegance with AfAms. Many whites say that they support AfAms
in their quest for equality but judging from the postings and talking with
many whites, these are just mere words.
     Whites will never admit to being racists because many see a racist as being
someone from the south, usually, who is ignorant and is willing to hurt and/or
kill AfAms. Many whites don't realize that they are racists but AfAms know that
many whites are. So what do AfAms do ? AfAms should support one another in their
quest of equality in business, education and economic strength. If there are 
whites who are willing to help, then by all means let them help, otherwise
lets get on with helping each other.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "White man's" AIDS
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)

In article <554@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8+@pitt (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>To start naming names, Alfred Machela is a Zulu gay activist [...]

>When I read this nonsense you posted on Zulu culture, I could not believe how
>ignorant and naive you were. 

Why should I believe you more than Alfred Machela?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:24:36 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: The Devil's Advocate

In <1992Dec18.124513.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

>  You say Brazil since, blacks are the majority and white is the minority, yet
>  they(whites) rule.  
>  My point was, why isn't there more civil unrest with respect to racism, in
>  Brazil if it is so brutal as compared to the U.S.?

The same reason there was not civil unrest among U.S. blacks except in
the past two generations.  Besides, Brazil has been under military
dictatorship for most of its history.  Your observation demonstrates
nothing.  
-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Parks doesn't repond: AGAIN
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:57:38 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

mmrwlm@sn217.uca wrote:
:In article 075056KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu, KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
:+In article <Bz79KH.Jr9@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K.
:+Yoder) says:
:+>
:+>Terry Parks:
:+>Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
:+ I have asked Terry Parks this question three times already and have yet to get
:+a response and frankly I am tired of the way she spells it.
:
:I'm curious; why all the hoopla?  The word "black" is merely a color.
:I don't feel it is any reflection on me as an African-American or
:"black" person, if someone chooses to spell it different from the
:way I am used to seeing it.


I just wish our old friend Mr. Christopher Gray, now graduated and
out makinmoney makinmoney (we hope!), had net access right now.

Chris was never one to spell BLAK with five letters.  His .sig
was framed with BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS streaming across the screen 
like a marquee.  He also had a command of the language that Ms. 
Parks does not, and, what's more, would stand up and fight when 
assaulted the way Terry has been.  I am tempted to add, "That's 
not BLAK supremacy, that's BLAK intelligence!" but I used that 
line yesterday, and besides, it doesn't feel right this time 
seeing as how I'm white.  

Anyway, quit dumping on poor Terry.  In similar situations, I've
observed that people don't reply mostly because they lack ability
or heart to do it.  Either way, it makes *you* look cruel for
pushing the point, like a button, regardless of her color or
gender.  Knock it off.


Aaron
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby"
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:35:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec13.013823.1321@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

# >
# >Of course not. They are the opinions of Glen KKKooley.
#
# This comparison is lost on me, is this some Klan buddy of yours?

"Glenn Cooley" and "Arthur Hu" are moderately clever "Eliza"-like
programs that post repetitive messages but are unable to process
responses.

I'm pretty sure that "Terry Parks" is another such program.

David


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From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:32:47 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Nntp-Posting-User: ohall

In article <1992Dec14.002306.21727@microsoft.com>, johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
> In article <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> | In article johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) says:
> | >In article ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> | >| Whites were not the only race to practice slavery, but they are the first   e
> | >rac
> | >| to my understanding to practice the type of brutal slavery performed in the
> | >| U.S.
> 
> KRB -- despite our numerous disagreements I respect you.  I think 
> you lost sight of the fact I was responding to the above statement.
> 
> I do not mean to defend the southern slave system as generous,
> kind, or beneficial.  The charge was: american slavery was more
> brutal than previous / concurent slave societies.  I disagreed 
> *only* with
> it characterisation as being 'more brutal' and asked the original
> poster to defend his assertion.
> 
  I didn't say "More Brutal".  However give me some examples of slavery which
  has been as brutal as U.S. slavery and has continued for the number of years
  that slavery did in this nation.  
  America has still held on to its notion of blacks being inferior.
> 
> |   Oh I see your logic!  As long as another society practiced cruelty on a
> | higher scale, then your hands are clean and you are the more benevolent man!
> | 
> 
> Well, that *is* the point of the article.
> 
> |     Well 'thank you masser' for taking such good care of us!  The reason only
> | 5% of us arrived is because the majority of us died on route!  
> 
> No, only 5% arrived in the US because most went to Jamaica, Haiti,
> Cuba, and Brazil where conditions were much worse.
  
  See my posting your figures, 500,000, were wrong it was appx. 900,000
  in the 16th. century and 2,750,000 in the 17th century see my source in the
  original posting.
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------
> My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
> views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
>
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What's wrong w/ Our Skin Color?
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:55:10 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


   It's partly due to our being taught, by our parents, "Don't talk to
him!" My mother never told me "Don't talk to him, he's black" but
instead "Don't talk to him, we don't know him" or "Don't talk to him,
he might be dangerous" and it wasn't hard to learn what she was using
to sort out "dangerous-looking" people from "safe-looking" ones.

true story:
   When I got my first car, I was afraid to drive on the expressway,
and took a local route to U-Mass. One day, I found myself lost in a
neighborhood that looked like a bomb had hit. Shells of cars, boarded
up buildings, cars on the road that looked like tanks. As I waited for
a red light, in my shiny little Toyota, a battered unmarked blue van 
pulled up next to me, with two very big, very black men inside. One of
them started waving his arms and talking to me, but I couldn't make
out what he was saying because my windows were rolled up.

What did I do? What would my mother have told me to do?

I rolled down my window. "Man, do you look lost!" the man said, "Where
are you trying to go?"  He gave me directions. I wish my Mom had been there. 
--
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MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               Phone   : 617-287-6448
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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rank, Gender, and Homosexuality: Mombasa, (Wiener please read this)!
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:02:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <102115@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>
>Remarkable achievement.  Paul Mweene posts a long article agreeing with
>what I've been saying all along--and then concludes that when I say it,
>it's ignorance and Afriphobia.
>-- 
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

How did I agree with you? This article tells you that a racial group with
deformed cultural values apes Arab culture, are half Arab, fraternise with
and consider themselves to be Arabs, practises h.sex.-unlike- Africans, and
you say I agree with you. The article tells you that Africans don't practise
h.sex., and since you have nothing by which to defend your ignorance, you 
turn around and try to claim that you have supported me all along. 

All the people who were reading on s.c.a last month know that my position
has never changed. But in the face of facts, yours has changed, one more 
time.

makala
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:07:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec15.201127.4331@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes back to
girlfriend:
>
>>war and trying not to realise what it involves.
>>
>i wouldn't call the mission in somalia "war" as such, but i am concerned
>about the safety of our troops over there and want them all to come back
>ok.
.
.
I had to jump into this one.  Just what do you call it?  Police
action?  Invasion?  Playing war, like we do as children in dress
rehearsals for the real thing?  Let's hear the doublespeak.
.
Look, we armed these cats.  American bullets are going to be fired
right back at American folks, period.  And I reiterate, I don't like
this.  I don't dig the "GI Joe with the kung fu grip" attitude
either.  This is some serious stuff.

>>
>i fully agree that the ussr did better by nations in africa than did the
>u.s.  i think a big part of this was that the u.s. was allies with the
>colonial oppressors in western europe and didn't care enough about the
>human rights of africans to make waves.  as a result, the ussr tended to
>"get there first" and stake out "right" positions with the u.s. coming
>along later and staking out the opposite position, regardless of the
>rectitude of their position - heaven forsakes should the us and ussr
>actually agree on something during the cold war.
.
.
Bulltacos.  The U.S. "had to stake" out opposite positions?  This is
a crock. Usually, the U.S. was on the wrong side using the so-called
threat of communism to keep oil flowing in Iran, having their own
way paved for the United Fruit Company in Guatemala and on and on...
In other words, promoting its own selfish interests. The State
Department has always been the handmaiden of U.S. multinationals
and still is.

>as far as us recolonialization goes, i think with all the problems in this
>country these days it would be a rather untenable position for a president
>to argue that we are seeking out military occupation of new colonies.  the
>focus of this country today is *economic* warfare and the third world
>countries are just not in the game at present.  in order to get access to the
>raw materials of african countries it's a lot easier to let multinational
>companies take care of this - all they have to do is pay a few kickbacks to
>local government authorities and you're got bloodless, economic colonization.
.
.
More misinformation.  Africa sure is in the game.  Whenever
sneaky skullduggery failed, the Marines came in droves. And if there
is no government or just a puppet, more's to their liking.
.
It's true today like it was 25 years ago..."Question authority."
This cat just eats it up hook, like and sinker.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Emitt Tills : Question
Date: 17 Dec 1992 03:06:02 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1go0thINNhcm@uwm.edu> hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn) writes:
>Hey all,
>
>I was wondering if someone could help me out with a question.....
>I have an exam coming up (Wed.6:30pm), and was told that some questions
>would be asked about Emitt Tills (he didn't spell it, so this may be
>incorrect).  He said to know who he was, and the events leading up to
>his death.

Emmett Louis Till, a 14 year old boy on vacation from Chicago,
reportedly flirted with a white woman in a store in Money, Miss. on
August 28, 1955. That night, two men took Till from his bed,
beat him, shot him, and dumped his body in the Tallahatchie River.
All all-white jury found the men innocent of murder.

His death stirred national anger and outrage. Actually, his death really
began the modern civil rights movement.

He is considered as one of the earliest martyrs in the civil rights movement
and his name appears in the Civil Rights Memorial, designed by Maya Lin,
that is located in the forecourt of the Southern Poverty Law Center in
Montgomery, Alabama. There are many others there: Medgar Evers,
Cheney-Schwerner-Goodman, Viola Liuzzo, 40 all told. 
Martin Luther King, Jr. is the last name.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What we want (was Re: Racist/Sexist Role Models)
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:01:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec8.232526.29379@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

# > We want the same things, but he wants them today, and the
# >situation today is such that it would only put the black person
# >down again.
#
# Are you really saying that "if race and sex made no difference, the
# black person would be down"?

Yes.  Just as they were before the federal government asserted moral
authority over the states.

David
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:47:30 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec8.015215.3857@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

# Hey Jason, don't flatter yourself.  Do you think this list has
# never heard the ideas you are propounding on this network?  They
# are cliches Jason.  There's nothing original about them.  People on
# this network have no obligation to take them particularly seriously
# when they've been reiterated in one form or another literally
# hundreds of times.

Amen!

Didn't you once refer to the periodic invasions of Libertarians and
Objectivists?

David


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