Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:14:45 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                      as promised, s.u.greeks.....
                           Please contact me
    Reminder: Senate Roll Call vote on Clarence Thomas confirmation
                                 ST:TNG
                    TORIE OSBORN named head of NGLTF
                        wesley crusher of st:tng
                 Judges Delay Vote on Gay Bias Proposal
          Homosexual Interracial Couples on DONAHUE [Tuesday?]
                            I hate gay men.

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Sat Oct 10 14:54:06 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: as promised, s.u.greeks.....
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-199>

        hello gaynetters! for those of you who think i am being a petty
trivial person who should be doing more constructive things with his time and
his email bytes--TOO BAD. you have lives and i don't.

        i said (or more correctly, bjorn said) that i was going to tell you
about our greeks, and now i'll do so. before i start, let me just say that
only the fraternities have parties because there is an archaic ordinance in
this town that says something like: a house in which more than ten unrelated
women are living at the same time cannot entertain guests or will be declared
a brothel and promptly closed. many college towns in pennsylvania have the
same laws...

        there are places in these descriptions that i am nowhere near
politically correct (i have never been known for my political correctness)
because i really don't care much for the greek system at all, so please don't
throw knives though the phone lines at me. with that said, let's start off
with our esteemed sororities:


        kappa delta: spoiled daddy's girls--they drive from west dorm (you
have to visit to really get this, but i'll tell you about it anyway) to
the caf, which is only about 200 yards; today one drove from the admissions
office to the gym (an even shorter distance) for the aerobix class that i
have with her. i'm pretty sure they inspired the 'saturday night live' skit;
individually, they're very nice, but when they're all together....whew! it's
as if they only have one brain for the collective group....

        alpha delta pi: also spoiled daddy's girls, but with a little more
sense. my first r.a. was an adpi and she was cool. but the majority of them
commit one of the most heinous fashion crimes: pearls with sweats. you have
to see it to believe it. i see this 3 times a week at 11h 15 (my aerobix
class) it's really sad.....they have, i think, three brains--and their own
oyster farm--to share among them...

        zeta tau alpha: as the name implies--zits, tits, and attitude [for
those who are p.c. and to the feminists, i apologise deeply, but there's no
other way to describe them]. i actually have friends who are zetas, so i'm not
going to cut on them too much. but some of them are the only sorority girls
i've ever met who are homophobic towards men.....many people here think that
the battle for the sorority here that has the most money per capita is
between kd and adpi, but here zeta wins, and it's not even close....daddy,
realizing that his little girl is not one of the beatiful people, buys her
the world out of guilt.....

        sigma kappa: there are 29 sk's and there is only one that i've met
that i didn't like. sigma kappas are the sweetest women to walk the earth and
if you've ever watched the tri-delt skit on 'snl'--the one that goes 'delta
delta delta, can i help ya help ya help ya?'--you'll notice that sigma kappas
are never mentioned. i guess sigma kappas nationwide are as sweet as the ones
here.

        sigma alpha iota: the music sorority; some of them are really cool--my
buddy that just graduated was an sai sister. one of the pledges wrote for her
induction paper "unlike social sororities, WE have a purpose". is that mean or
what? every time i see the girl who wrote it, i smirk and grin....however,
there are a lot of fundies in this group. after all this is a lutheran school,
and it has a very big choir. and there are some people that, although
they like me as one of the coolest people they've ever met here, think
that homosexuals are sinners and must be punished. yes, virginia, there are
bible banging sorority girls! there's this one girl (my freshman year roomie's
girlfriend) that although i love her dearly, have to say this about her.
she's a good catholic girl from the suburbs (NO LIE), had 14 years of a
catholic education BEFORE coming to susquehanna, but dresses like she has
lived her whole life at 42nd and 8th (or hollywood and vine, for those left
coast people not familiar with new york). it's a sin..but it's funny watching
undersexed freshman trying to get on her with no luck...


        that's it for the sororities....now for our esteemed fraternities....

        lambda chi alpha (the bunders): this is most of the football team and
their friends. on saturday nite this is the place to be, i'm told, for there
is lots of beer and great music...personalitywise, ooooh boy....they are male
kappa deltas (in fact, there are students at this school whose father was a
bunder and whose mother was a kd here. let's just say that this trend is
living on...) except that even by themselves they're not too nice or too
bright, although they had the highest greek gpa for most of the 80's (like
that says a lot...). as with most athletic types, there is a lot of
buttfucking going on behind the guise of militant homophobia, as is always the
case, but if they all fuck like the one i had freshman year, then i don't want
any......

        theta chi (the spuds): they have misogyny perfected to a t--no one is
allowed to come to their parties unless female or someone interested in
pledging...i've heard that files are kept on women to go theta parties on such
things as: how many brothers she'd had, how many drinks does it take to do
her, if she gives good head, &c., but i haven't any concrete proof yet so i
really can't verify this. i had a lot of harassment from them freshman year,
but since close acquaintces are now brothers, it's pretty much stopped.
however this year's pledge class has some really bad homophobes....i'm not
allowed to set foot inside of this place because last year i was smitten with
a pledge and the brothers found out about it. during that same semester i told
a brother that i had i class with that he was a hot man while i was drunk (you
know, the _in vino veritas_ thing), so i doubly condemned myself....

        phi mu delta (the muds): not only are these people homophobes, they're
by and large racists, too....all the people that i knew well in the frat
freshman and sophomore year are no longer here, but i really was no big fan of
the muds to begin with...they have parties too but they're pretty much 'whites
only' wait...let me correct that. let's say 'no blacks allowed' because asians
and hispanics here (who my ex-novio julio called 'bananas'--yellow on the
outside, white on the inside--and 'coconuts'--brown on the outside, white on
the inside) are allowed to attend them. they are just a bad scene....

        sigma phi epsilon--the nation's largest fraternity....did you ever
notice how the people that are the most vehemently homophobic are the ones who
aren't door prizes? well, that's what we have here. there are some closet
cases here though, and they especially hate me because they know that i know
what time it is...sig ep is the frat here that a man pledges if he knows that
he can't get in anywhere else (zeta is the female equvalent)....they have
parties, but i haven't been to the house since my roomie from freshman year
pledged.....

        phi sigma kappa: there's really nothing much to say about them...as a
whole they are very well mannered individuals, but as always, there are some
bad apples....there used to be a massive drug flow to the school through this
frat, but i don't know if it still exists.....

        phi mu alpha sinfonia: the music frat.--these are some of the most
_fugly_ people i have ever seen, the name my friend gloria (the sai that
graduated) and i gave one of the current pledges sums it up the best:
cauchemar--nightmare. two of the brothers (one of whom is the president) are
gay, and most of the brothers are cool with that. but fundies lurk here
too.....

        well there you have it. s.u. greeks......

        if you have friends in noo joisy, i'd advise you to get them out now.
prostetnic vogon jeltz is hungry and is looking for good food. since his idea


        chairing the committee to re-elect zaphod,
        rob...

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Please contact me
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:29:12 GMT

SLOMOWR@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu writes:

>Sorry for tying up the net with a personal message but..

>Ron Buckmire.. please email me.  I am having problems with delivering
>mail to your address. As I said, please contact me.

That reminds me: If anyone tried to send me email on Wednesday and it bounced
please resend it because they were switching mail machines at my site and
somehting went horribly wrong and some email was lost.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Reminder: Senate Roll Call vote on Clarence Thomas confirmation
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:35:30 GMT

jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU writes:

>Let's pause for a public service announcement, since
>incumbent Senators who voted for Thomas seem
>to have suffered collective amnesia.  (It
>kinda reminds me of how, after Watergate,
>one couldn't find anyone who would admit
>to having voted for Nixon).

>SENATORS WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF CONFIRMING
>CLARENCE THOMAS TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
>ONE YEAR AGO.

<list deleted>

Thanks for posting this list, Jessea!!

If people are still pissed off, they can get the address of each one of these
senators in the directory /pub/QRD/qrd/info/GOVT/ on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu
available by anoymous ftp.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I don't think 'so called' dirty books inspire anyone to commit any crime
more serious than masturbation" -- William Burroughs, author of _Naked Lunch_

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:59:10 -0500
From: Chris Rosebrook <cjrose@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: ST:TNG


Cinemafantastique (I think in the immediate past issue) has a story about
the struggle and failure to introduce a gay-themed storyline into ST:TNG.
Politics galore.  Diehard fans would find it interesting, though.

Happy National Coming Out Day to all!  Hope your next step makes a positive
difference in your life!

Christopher Rosebrook - UI Department of Spanish & Portuguese
"Ni ez naiz osorik izango zurekin bat egin arte." - CJR 9-10-92
"Bullshit."                                       - CJR 10-10-92

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Subject: TORIE OSBORN named head of NGLTF
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 16:44:35 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

According to the GayNet news service Torie Osborn, former Director of the $6+
million Los Angees Gay and Lesbian Community Center, has been named the new
Executive Director of the NGLTF, to replace Urvashi Vaid, who is stepping down
in December.


- -
RON BUCKMIRE
The Lyrics Transcription Project: Cocteau Twins Division, section 319
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 17:53:25 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: wesley crusher of st:tng

last season, they got wesley invovled with this total jerk of a fascist while
he was at starfleet academy. he ended up breaking all these rules, getting a
classmate killed, then lying about it. of course,he told the truth in the
end, but th upshot was that his whole starfleet career is now messed up.
it didn't really have anything to do with the subject of gay characters on
star trek, it was just one of my pet peeves. also, my rommate tells me that
her family has a friend who works as a set designer for st, and everyone
on setcrew calls counselor troi "captain cleavage". just thought all you
star trek fans might like to know. (oops. i meant roommate, not rommate).

that's all,
paula

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From: MPA15AB!RANDY@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Date: 10 OCT 92 18:31
Subject: Judges Delay Vote on Gay Bias Proposal

The L.A. Times reported (in the 10/6/92 edition -- I'm behind in my reading)
that the California State Judges Association, after impassioned debate,
chose not to vote on controversial changes in their ethics code that would
forbid judges from membership in private groups that discriminate against
gays.

They decided instead to further study the proposal -- offered by two Los
Angeles judges -- after foes complained that it intruded on their personal
lives and would prevent them from participating in the Boy Scouts because
the group bars gays.

The association, in its annual meeting, went on to adopt a series of wide-
ranging changes in the ethics code for judges that strengthen prohibitions
against bias in the courtroom and impose new restrictions on private conduct.

The new code forbids judges from showing any kind of bias in court, including
words or conduct based on race, sex, religion, disability, sexual orientation,
or socioeconomic status.

Before the changes voted Monday, comparable provisions of the code simply
required that judges be patient, dignified, and courteous in court.

Jurists also are specifically cautioned in the new code against the
appearance of bias in private activities.  The code advises, among other
things, that judges should not tell jokes based on sex, religion, or
sexual preference.


  =====================================================================
  = sua cuique voluptas              (everyone has his own pleasures) =
  = Randy Gellens            randy%mpa15ab@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com =
  = >>>>>>> If mail bounces, forward to rgellens@mcimail.com <<<<<<<< =
  = Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak only for myself =

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In my country, we believe (and rightly so) that mindless superstition
and meaningless ritual are what separate us from the animals.
                  -- Latka Gravis

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Subject: Homosexual Interracial Couples on DONAHUE [Tuesday?]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:09:24 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

My roomate and his boyfriend are taping an episode of DONAHUE on Tuesday on
homosexual interracial relationships. They are both on the net [Jason is my
roomate; <anderj2@rpi.edu> and Derrick is at vassar <romickle@vassar.edu>]
and will probably post an account of their exploits with national tabloid
television sometime later this week.

The show is focussing on racism in the homosexual community directed at
inter-racial couples. It's not clear if Derrick and Jason will be on the stage
or just featured in the audience.

Just wanted to let people know that this episode was coming so that they could
set their vcr's! Note that Donahue comes on at different times in different
areas and markets, so check your TV Guide

Oh, and before you ask, yes, Dean and I also talked to the producers. In fact,
the whole thing started with Dean and I going to a Black and White Men Together
meeting in LA over the summer and finding out about DONAHUE's plans to do the
show and then passing the info along to Derrick and Jason. The Executive
Producer didn't invite us because Dean and I haven't experienced blatant racism
[or homophobia, for that matter, really] though I insist that we would have
been more telegenic! :-) :-)

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:15:00 edt
From: "Iguana Man Hokan (Sandone, J. T.)" <SANDONE@DICKINSON.EDU>
Subject: I hate gay men.


I know that someone had requested this article, and since I have it, I
thought that i would pass it on.  All typos are mine.

	I hate gay men.  I feel more and more hopeless about our community.
Turn any corner int he ghetto and you can grab sex, but you have to search
high and low to find real love.  I hate how narcissistic we fags are, how
easily distracted from the hard tasks, how absurdly trivial in the face of
death.  I hate, above all, how we expend so much energy on attracting desire
and so little on taking care of anyone but our selves.  I don't believe that
lesbians, faced with the tragedy of AIDS, would have failed as we have failed.
 That thought alone keeps me hopeful.
	The AIDS crisis has been a part of us for more than a decade, the
half-life of our community, and is so all-powerful that if any of us survive,
we will spend the rest of our lives mourning and struggling to understand what
all the losses have meant.  Half of us--half of our lovers and friends and
fuck buddies and fantasy objects--are going to be dead by the year 2000.  I
hat the way that single fact has not yet transformed us into a real army of
lovers.  We just keep on sleepwalking through this holocaust, one year
organizing and making trouble, the next selling out and making careers, the
next turning our backs on it all, dancing and partying and fucking like crazy.
I hate the way we have no sense of the future, so hell-bent on pleasing our
selves.  I hate the way we pay so much attention to our bodies, grooming and
dressing and tattooing and sculpting and finally displaying them, like great
works of art, on the danc floor at the Roxy on Saturday night, or wherever,
when everyone is pinwheeling on Ecstasy.  I know how beautiful we all are, but
that peak moment is so fleeting, and it's not much to build a culture around.
Still, we're determined to build that beautiful, empty culture.
	I hate the way we have unsafe sex with each other in the night, but
when morning comes, we say nothing.  More and more, the rule seems to be, if
you don't come inside anyone  and if no one comes inside of you, that's safe.
We're hopping on each others uncondomed dicks because it feels so good, and
because we're so eager to forget everyone who got sick that way, everyone who
can't walk up the stairs anymore because they have blue lesions growing in
their lungs, have lost their sight and their hearing and their sense of
balance and their memories--not to mention their sex drives--to one incurable
infection after another.  If we actually believe fucking without a condom is
safe sex, so long as there is no cum involved, then we should have the courage
of our convictions and make this belief public.  But we're much too cowardly
and ashamed of what we do in bed.
	I hate the way we flock to have sex in backrooms and sex clubs, drunk,
on drugs, with little sense of who we are or who we are with, but when the
department of health or the cops of Channel 4 News threatens to pull the plug
on the party, we say nothing.  We can have all the anonymous sex we want, and
proclaim it all a great sexual liberation, but we can't talk about it in
public, even to each other.  We don't want our mothers to know what sex pigs
we are.  We don't even want our dyke friends to know how we treat each other
like pieces of meat, and love it.  We lie all the time about this to our
lovers, too.  We're so ashamed of ourselves that we can't even defend the
places where we go to make the great sexual revolution happen.  What heroes we
are!  What warriors!
	I hate the way sex is always more important than love, the way we have
no respect for each other's relationships, the way everyman is a possible hit.
I hate the way everyone flirts with your lover if you have one, and you find
out who your friends are by learning who doesn't make a pass at him.  I'm sick
and tired of the terms of endearment among us ghetto dwellers, how we sleep
with someone for a few weeks or months, then move on to someone else, without
ever looking back.  Are we such objects for each other that one person can
be immediately replaced by another?
	I hate the way we are not, as people, very much there for each other.
All of this makes me feel hopeless.  I fear that we will never come to know
and love each other, or take care of each other, or fight for each other's
lives, or help each other to die, or create relationships that teach us
anything worth passing on to the next generation.  We aren't monsters, but our
humanity is in grave disorder.  All we really seem to care about is our
fantasies.  As half of us work out and jerk off in our gyms and our clubs,
crowd our backrooms and our sex clubs, the other half are getting sick, losing
the will to live, and becoming the absolute antithesis of our sexual
fantasies.  How unprepared we all are for falling in love with our own, with
our imperfections and infections.
	I hate the way we have sold each other out as AIDS activists, with all
the well-educated and well-connected white fags making names for themselves,
serving on boards, attending meetings, writing articles, giving interviews,
becoming known, while women and IVDUs and children and people of color go
untreated and unrecognized.  Anyone who spent the last five years in AIDS
activism knows that if lesbians hadn's been there, we would never have paid
any attention to anyone but rich white fags.  And what have we gotten?  This
year we got the news that we can't reasonably expect an effective treatment
for AIDS for the next 25 years.  Are you ready to lose all the men you have
ever desired or fucked or fallin in love with or loved more than you love
yourself?  Are you ready to help them die?  Or are you ready to fight for
their lives?  For the next 25 years?

- Anon.

I hope this helps.


....................
 .               .                    	    J. T. Sandone
  .             .           		    Dickinson College HUB 1984
   .           .                            P. O. Box 4888
    .         .               		    Carlisle, PA  17013-0928
     .       .                              (717)240-3273
      .     .          			    SANDONE@DICKINSN.BITNET
       .   .        			    SANDONE@DICKINSON.EDU
        . .
         .      "If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy
		every closet door."--Harvey Milk

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