Newsgroups: rec.games.mecha
Subject: Re: Battletech: Re: 'City Archer'
From: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Second Genyosha)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:08:10 GMT
Reply-To: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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In article <+xi1H=cg9b@atlantis.psu.edu>, ZST@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Zachary S Tseng) writes:
>In <1g6f3hINN4ip@golem.wcc.govt.nz> taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>(stuff, such as how nasty a warhawk omni w/4 lg pulse lasers can be, deleted) 

>>  The issue of falling back to old tek (3025) is becoming more attractive
>> to a lot of players I know. Tried of the "Arms Race" they are just playing
>> the game. The tech advantage enjoyed by the Clans can get a bit much at times.
>> Which is why we play with certain "House rules" now.
>>  #1 Clan forces can only use official Sheet meks form the sheetbooks.
>>    Why? Because Clan meks don't need "tweeking", they are good enough
>> without it.

>Nooooooooo!!!  This rule completely defeats the purpose of Omnimech concept. 
>The basic idea of omni is that you can config them anyway you want to suit the
>mission/ personal taste.

 This rule is the one that everyone screams at :) Why do we have it?
Because the combat efficiecy(sp) of the Clan meks is very high, you
can go very wrong with all the Clan goodies, LgPLasers etc, Targeting
Computers and DSHS (Double Strength heat Sinks). To improve on these
designs is only to make the lethality of these meks ever more extreme.
With at least 3 variants per design, surely you can find something you
like? Ok I shouldn't call you "surely" :)

>>  #2 Inner Sphere forces can use madeup meks pending approval from all sides.
>>    Why? Cause the IS needs all the help it can get. BTW most of my designs
>> are used in my group :)
>Hmmm...  The Clans really need help now; in particular, they needs lot of ECM
>suites to be fit when fighting you mechs to counter all the C3 units you have
>on your designs.  You made some d*mn GOOD designs for the snakes, Tony.  BTW,
>can you send me the stats on the Crossbow? (the Arrow IV mech).

 Forgot to tell you that all electronics are interchangable with us. Same
crits and tonnage for either side. Though of course you can mix Clan and IS :)
My C-3 cravings are thus denied :( Though of 46 meks, only 16 have C-3 at all.
I usually mount TAG in the head, because everyone seems to hit that location
when empty (My karma is bad and their's is better) and it produces no heat :)

>      (lots of stuff deleted)

>>  In fact the old tek (3025) Battlemaster is a prime case in point. There are
>> some very serious problems with this mek, check this out. The whole mek is
>> 10 tons overweight and needs to go on a diet :)
>> Battlemaster 85 Tons  -   Battlemaster 75 Tons =  Difference
>> IS          8.5                       7.5          1.0
>> 340        27.0                      19.0          8.0
>> Gyro        4.0                       3.0          1.0
>>                                                   -----
>>                                                   10.0
>>  Now we can see that the 75 Ton version is as good as the 85 Ton original.
>> Yet we don't have 75 Ton Battlemasters do we. Slowing the speed to 3/5
>> would mean an additional 15 tons for the 85 Ton Battlemaster and 10 for the 75.
>> But with all the extra weapons and heatsinks we end up with a very different
>> mek and hence not a Battlemaster and we haven't even talked about the
>> rear-mounted mediums :)
>Good point, Tony.  One more point on the need of BM to go on a diet plan is
>that the stock version is underarmored.  The only important advantage for
>current tonnage and FA$A blew it once again.  So if one can get same
>performance out of a 75-ton frame and still get about the same amount of
>protection, why not make 75-ton BattleMasters? 

 Cause the Union workers for the 85 ton Battlemasters didn't want to?
In war, the obvious is not always taken. The US Army didn't start to
find your M-1s until several years after their availability, they cost
too much :) In the 3025 world, Kurita still produces Chargers! Why? Cause
there was nothing else, retooling would take too long and is impractical.
Economics starts to raise it's ugly head and I better stop now before the
historian in me starts. BTW I'm doing a Hist major hence my interest.

>Keep on the good works designing snake mechs, my Sigma Galaxy will be waiting
>for the day in 3067.
>Cheers,
>Zachary Tseng
>Khan, Clan Ghost Bear
>Commander, Sigma Galaxy, Clan Ghost Bear

 The argument on "designing" meks is still unresolved, but I'm sure that time
will tell and bring about a conclusion on this matter. Don't worry after I
remove the two pussycat Clans, I'm gonna go a-hunting Bear! I need a new
floor rug :) See you in 3067.
This has been....
 Tony Taia                                    (Sho-sa of the Second Genyosha)
  TAIA_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
3055-3067: So little time, so many Clan meks to kill! :)        `|'Disclaimer!
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