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From: lizt@python.lmc.com (B. Elizabeth Trojan)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Reader Bio's
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:24:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1993Jan22.212435.2757
Distribution: usa
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

Hello,
   My name is Liz Trojan. I would classify myself as
a lurker in this news group. I rarely post but I read nearly
every day. I have a 9 year old Thoroughbred gelding off the
track that's about 16.2 hands and a bay. I show him under the 
name Orpheus. I have had him since he was four. Several years
back I was buying and selling thoroughbreds off the track. I 
bought them cheap at the auction retrained them and then resold 
them. There was very little money in it. I just enjoyed working 
with horses and I hated to see these lovely horses going to the 
meat plant. I was very selective about which horses I choose to 
retrain. People are always amazed when I tell them I got my horse 
at the auction bidding against the meat man. I paid meat price 
for him. My primary interest is in Dressage. We are now going 
1st level. I'm not very brave about trailering so I mainly go to
dressage shows in the vicinity of Portland, Oregon where I live.
I also do a clinic once a month and in the summer I enjoy going 
out trail riding. Doing dressage with a thoroughbred is a challenge.
My horse is not high strung but keeping him consistently round 
and to the bit is not something he is always keen to do. My 
friends with warmbloods are often concerned about how to get 
their horses more energized. I on the otherhand am always trying 
to figure out how to get my horse to relax. One of my goals this
summer is to show for Carol Lavell. She will be judging one of the
local Dressage shows this summer. What fun to meet her in person!
My job has nothing to do with horses. I am a software engineer 
with a small company that produces software models for simulation. 
I'm 35. It's been a real treat to read everyone elses bio's.

By the way did anyone see the show in TV about horses and insurance 
fraud? I did. It was predictably gorey and very upsetting. They 
were quite explicit in their descriptions of how the horses were
killed including showing photos of the animals after they had died. 
The point was made that killing animals is not a felony so most
of the people involved go unpunished. Where are the animal rights
activists when you need them?



Liz Trojan
Logic Modeling Corp.
Berverton, OR
(503)246-7850
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Who are we? Where are we?
From: wendy@brunswk.amigans.gen.nz (Wendy Taylor)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:02:28 GMT+1
Organization: Home, sweet thistle patch...

Hi, I'm Wendy Taylor. I live in a rural area called Brunswick, which is 
just north of Wanganui in the North Island of New Zealand. I am married 
to Bryan and we own a 6 acre farmlet so I am able to keep my horses at 
home. I am an ex-Librarian but now mainly stay at home looking after my 3 
year old son James, and keep the farm running smoothly. I work odd jobs, 
mainly house cleaning for that little bit extra.
I have two horses at present. Roly (show name Rolleston) is a 16 year old 
bright bay anglo-arab gelding with a white star, about 14.3hh. I have 
owned him for 9 years. We used to compete a little in showing classes and 
small jumping competitions. He always did really well usually placing 2nd 
or 3rd. Not bad against all those large 16hh+ warmbloods and TB. We won 
the only one day event and dressage competition we entered. Now I ride 
for pleasure over the neighbouring farmland. I still continue to school 
him to keep him light and supple and jump for a bit of variety, but I'm a 
very nervous rider and dressage is my preference.

I also have a dark bay Welsh Mountain pony x called Henry Huggins who is 
about 11hh and 5 years old. I used to own his mother but have since sold 
her. He was born here and I broke him in, taught him to jump, gon on the 
bit and leg yield a little. I am very light, not even 7 stone (44 kg) so 
I am able to ride him in short spurts for 15 to 20 minutes.

I ride about five days a week, but as I am pregnant again this has 
dropped back to once or twice weekly.
I used to instruct the beginning riders at the local Pony Club but now I 
prefer to be with my family and just have horses for trail riding. Who 
knows what i will get up to in the future. Great to see all you mature? 
riders still going strong and reading about everyones bios.

wendy@brunswk.amigans.gen.nz (Wendy Taylor)
	if [`dswsa` != root]
	exit 1 ; wall :(
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: western saddles
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:52:20 GMT
	<1993Jan26.092428.12547@sequent.com>
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.intel.com
In-reply-to: karlm@sequent.com's message of Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:24:28 GMT


My wife and I have two "Rahlide" (or however it's spelled) tree saddles,
and used to have a third. We never had any problem with them. They
are light-weight and seem nearly indestructable : my wife's horse
once went over backward and landed right on the saddle, and neither
horse nor saddle suffered more than some light surface damage.

My current saddle is one of those Cordura-covered things. I haven't
had it long, but it's a very nice so far : lighter than even my
previous Rawlide leather saddle, and a good fit to me and the horse.

Your furlong-age may vary. My wife and I pleasure ride : no shows, no
endurance riding, no roping, no barrel-racing, no high jumping.
This doesn't stress our horses or saddles much.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Coincidences and such like ..
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:05:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


That's pretty neat Graham.
Several months ago after i posted a message, I got an e-mail
from a girl who I used to ride with at the boarding barn we
kept our horses at.  We lost touch for about 10 years until
she noticed my post. Pretty small world, huh?
Soja
oopps!
SoNja
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Subject: WHAM! BANG! (Was  Re: Horse Toys)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 08:05:44 GMT

sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>...  My first 'hint' that this had happened was the next morning when I
>was wakened by the most awful noise; BAM BAM BAM *BAM* BAM!!!  Quality had
>found the sheet of siding, was standing there pawing it over and over again.
>She was having so much fun, just like a little kid with a new toy drum. 
> ...

My mare has always been, shall we say, communicative.  Her idea
of communication is usually associated with letting me know when
I'm screwing up, especially when I'm being too slow about something.

The other night I was cleaning out her stall, which is just out
of sight of the gate where she hangs out waiting for me to bring
her in for dinner.  I was late that night, and the people who
own the place just had a baby, so I was trying to be really
quiet.  She was doing her usualy thing of nickers and lightly
pawing at the first rung of the gate.  I'm thinking "Shhhhh!
Be quiet Primrose, I'll be done in a minute."

All of a sudden there was an explosion of sound.  BONG! BONG!
BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG!...  I ran out the door of the barn to
see what the heck she could possibly be doing and there she
was, standing all erect, ears perked, looking at me with great
anticipation and satisfaction.  "Oh.  You came!  How wonderful!"
Her front foot was perched squarely on top of a galvanized steel
100 gallon water tank that I had emptied and turned upside down 
during the cold snap we had here.  She was evaluating the tonal 
characteristics of her new drum, striking the middle then the
sides, and also perfecting her technique with variants of toe
kicks on the walls and the vertical stomp on the inverted
"drum head" bottom.

"Stop that!!" I hissed at her.  Lights were going on in the
house and I had visions of a purple-faced baby screaming 
until dawn.  Primrose obliged and set her foot down on the
ground.  I ran back to her stall for the final touches and,
just as I was fluffing up the bedding, the concert started
again.  BONG! BONG! WHAM! WHAM! WHAM!

By this time all pretensions of quiet were pretty much
disintegrated, so I yelled "CUT IT OUT!" while literally
running the wheelbarrow out of the barn.  I opened the gate
and watched her make record time round the turn and into
her stall.  I could swear she was smirking at me when I
went in to shut the door.

Primrose has displayed no further interest in drum playing.
Personally, I think she'd be killer with a sax.

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com
From: cgreen@essex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Double J ranch, nr. Detroit
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: cgreen@essex.ac.uk ()
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Our head stable girl and a couple of friends of hers are going on what
is going to be a holiday of a lifetime (for them) at the "Double J"
ranch which she tells me is near Detroit, Michigan.

Does anyone have any suggestions, advice, ideas of nice things to do
(horsey and otherwise) in that area?  Also they will need to hire a
car when they arrive at Detroit airport, what's the best deal for
them and who/what should they avoid?

I think they are coming for two weeks in August.

Chris Green
    cgreen@axion.bt.co.uk       (work at British Telecom)
    cgreen@essex.ac.uk          (guest account at Essex University)
    cgreen@cix.compulink.co.uk  (CIX conferencing system)
    100023,657                  (CompuServe)
From: jkeller@ishtar.med.jhu.edu (Jean Keller x5-8318)
Subject: Re: She's Mine! (was :Trakehner decision)
Summary: book recommendation
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:09:54 GMT

Tried to e-mail you, but it didn't work.  Hopefully this will be of
general interest to the net.  If not, my apologies

My trainer has recommended a book called _Training the Young Horse_,
subtitled "The first two years", by Anthony Crossley.  I bought
it last week, and haven't read much of it yet, but it was highly
recommended by my trainer and by others at the barn who have started
young horses, so I thought I'd pass it along. (FYI - all the recommenders
are principally interested in dressage.  I think basic dressage
training is a fine way to start any horse you are planning to ride
English.  If you disagree, this may not be the book for you).

It assumes that you are starting with a three- or four-year-old horse,
who has not been ridden, and possibly never lunged (longed?).  It
takes you through "medium level" dressage, including canter half-passes
and flying changes.  I don't think it covers jumping, but I'm not sure.

Hope this is some help.  Good luck!

-Jean Keller
jkeller@ishtar.med.jhu.edu
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Handling traffic (WAS Re: Spooking and Liability)
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:58:18 GMT
Organization: Intel Santa Clara Design Technology

In article <1993Jan28.063130.6862@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1k7h6iINN20k@shelley.u.washington.edu>, kcarroll@koko.pathology.washington.edu (Kris Carroll) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan27.193138.3316@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
>> templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen) writes:
  [near-miss and liability matter deleted]
>Drivers are outstandingly rude.  I've tried flagging them down, signalling
>them to slow down, and so on.  The ones with some sense will be polite and
>slow down.  The others speed up.  I've considered doing what a guy I heard
>about does.  He carries some gravel in a pocket, and if they don't slow
>down, throws it at the car!  Pretty drastic measure and one that sounds
>really dangerous, considering the nuttiness of people nowadays, but it
>gets really tempting, especially when I'm riding my spooky Arab.
>
>Sue

Actually, I'd like a phaser...or a bazooka...

Another approach, useful IMHO only if visibility is good and speeding drivers
are your only problem, is to simply ride in the middle of the road.  Then they
HAVE to slow down.  My cousin likes this method, and she has not only survived
but escaped injury on roads.  I don't think she tries this on any but her best
traffic handlers, but even so it takes more "balls" than I can usually muster...

-Sallijan
 (shoulder-hugger)
 and critters


-
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Santa Clara, California          | (408) 765-5444 voicemail    (408) 629-5909 home robot
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From: mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk (Brunel Uni Riding Club)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding breeches - need advice.
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:23:37 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Angela Merritt (amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote:
: Hi,
: I was wondering if anyone would like to recommend their favorite
: riding breeches.  I have some Christmas money yet to spend :-), and
: my old breeches are getting quite worn.  I have a pair of the
: Devon-Aire (mostly cotton), and I really like the fit, however it
: dosn't appear to be wearing up too well.  I've tried the Miller's
: Equestrian brand but they don't fit me too well - not high 
: enough in the waist.  Does anyone know if the nylon blends hold
: up better than the cotton?  BTW these would be for everyday
: wear, so I would be most interested in those under $70.  Any and
: all advice would be appreciated!

: Angie.
: amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu

	I've had a fair amount of success with the Stylo/Harry Hall/
	Caldene stuff though some of the cheaper brands can be good
	value for money if you shop around for them as they come from
	local manf'rs.

--
################### Marcus Jones (mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk ) ################
#  Dept. Materials Technology E-mail: mt92mmj or xxsuipee @brunel.ac.uk #
#  Brunel University Riding Club, c/o Brunel University Students Union	#
#     Brunel University, Kingston Lane, Uxbridge, Middlesex. UB8 3PH.	#
#########################################################################
From: jen187@its.CSIRO.AU (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: gif update part 3
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:08:25 GMT
Organization: CSIRO ITS


    

      **********  HOW TO GET THE HORSE GIFS   **********


Follow these directions to get the gifs from my FTP site.



From your Unix prompt enter:

ftp commsun.its.csiro.au     <The IP address is:  152.83.8.2>

When you get the login prompt enter:

anonymous

When you are asked for a password enter your email address.
You should then get a prompt that looks like this   ftp>
Next, enter:

cd /staff/jen187

If you now enter the command  ls  you will see a number of
gif files. To get them, enter the following commands:


 binary

.. and then

get ozhorse1.gif

( This will then (hopefully) start the transfer to your machine. )

.. and then

get ozhorse2.gif

.. and so on.

To finish the session enter:

quit  OR  bye


_____________________________________________________________________

If you have any problems with this, feel free to email me:

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au
_____________________________________________________________________


ENJOY!


 
-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: Re: Horse color genetics - LONG
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:49:56 GMT

A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey) writes:

>The totals are:  grey   64 (50.0%)
>                 bay    26 (20.3%)
>                 chest  15 (11.7%)
>                 black  11 ( 8.6%)
>                 ch/bay  9 ( 7.0%)
>                 brown   3 ( 2.3%)

This is exactly the kind of output I had in mind for a program - the
inputs would be the colors of the sire and dam, probably selected from
one or more menus to help the user distinguish between similar colors.

>This is, of course, a worst-case/most possibilities scenario.  But
>you can begin to see why a computer program to calculate the
>possibilities would be very difficult to write.

I think it wouldn't be too difficult to write the program once
the ground rules are established - which they are, only not in my
own mind, yet!

--
Francis Burton      Physiology, Glasgow University, Glasgow G12 8QQ, Scotland.
041 339 8855 x8085  | JANET: F.L.Burton@glasgow.ac.uk  !net: via mcsun & uknet
"A horse! A horse!" | INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk BITNET: via UKACRL
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: traine@peaks.fsl.noaa.gov (Tracy Smith)
Subject: Re: pinto vs. paint
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:09:47 GMT

In my experience, tobiano and overo are only used in relation to Paints, and the
difference is that one (tobiano,I think) is predominantly color with white, while
the other is predominately white with some dark splashes.  And the edges are
jagged.  Pintos have a more blocky. sharp-edged markings.  And black and white
ones are piebalds (read National Velvet) and any other (bay, chesnut) and white
are called skewbalds.

         Tracy Lorraine Smith    Mom to Mixum Sam Appaloosa/Apendix QH
From: corich_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dateline NBC
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:40:08 NZST
Organization: Wellington City Council, Public Access.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

\In article <1993Jan22.150043.17684@piston.detroit.ingr.com>, plferric@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick) writes:
> Hi All,
> 
>  Dateline this past Tuesday night.
> They had a segment on the killing of horses for insurance money.
> 
> They mentioned Charisma by name as a famous horse that had been killed for
> insurance money, and I was wondering if this is THE Charisma? Would anybody
> out there know?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pat & Golden Ghost

 Charisma, the New Zealand horse which with Mark Todd won the gold in the
Olympic 3 day event two times successively was retired onto his owners New
Zealand farm after the 1988 games. 

He was given a heroes welcome home an toured the country for a little while
before being deservedly retired . 

As far as we hear here in NZ he runs round the paddocks gettting petted and fed
by all his visotrs and fans.

If anything happened to him there would be a national outcry here.

Regards

Alison Corich, Wellington, New Zealand

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: mailing list/digest request for a friend
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:29:32 GMT

alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman) writes:

>In-Reply-To: <1993Jan17.230219.3439@microsoft.com> brandyt@microsoft.com (Bran-
>dy Thorp)


>The mailing list that Graham mentioned (EQUINE-L) is NOT an echo of
>rec.equestrian.

What is it?
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy)
Subject: Re: What & When
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:22:38 GMT

In article <SusanS.9.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> SusanS@sunfish.ratsys.com (Susan Sch
lenger) writes:
>My two year old pony, Poet, has recently had his wolf teeth removed. (The
>vet said they were the largest he's seen on a pony), and is resting his
>mouth prior to working on the bit.  The vet also said that his joints have
>not completely locked; that it may be six months until he can bear weight
>happily.  He had already been backed, and was working at the walk and trot
>without a problem when we bought him.  His previous trainer, (a friend), has
>told me that he had no trouble bearing weight up to 145 pounds; and did it
>very straight. (Of course, I saw him ridden when I bought him, and he
>surely looked fine then...). Although I have no desire to rush him, (and
>spoil him!), I also want to be sure that I'm not, in some way, allowing him
>to get away with an attitude.  We do plan long lining, and gentle longeing.
>Any suggestions as to what I should look for in terms of his being able to
>bear weight?  There seems to be quite a controversy on this.  Welsh ponies
>are notoriously strong; could this be an act?

The general rule of thumb is that the smaller the breed, the longer the
animal takes to mature (and the longer the life span).  I certainly
would recommend either not riding, or very light work, no hard trot or
canter, no small circles, and keep the sessions short.  Long lining is
much better as long as the circles are large.  Have you thought about
driving?  Most Welsh ponies make very good driving ponies, and it
builds muscles and develops balance without weight on the back.  I am
currently working a Morgan colt under saddle who will be 3 in April.
I started him last Oct. as a long 2 yr. old, and am just now beginning
to ask for a road trot.  Until recently, he showed no desire to go
beyond a jog, which, to me, indicated that he wasn't ready.  It takes time
for a young horse to develop the balance and confidence needed to move
under weight, and stumbling and missteps can strain knees that have
not closed.  If your pony seems to have an 'attitude' about being ridden,
I think he's trying to tell you he's not ready.
                           Karin Tracy and THE MIGHTY MORGANS
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Racoons & dogs :-(
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:16:22 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mary McHugh (mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com) wrote:

: The other piece of information needed to clarify:

: ... until last year when we had our first rabies cases, Connecticut &
: the New England area were relatively isolated from the rabies problem
: because in order to get here, you have to cross water (i.e. The Hudson
: River, et.al.) which always slows these things down.  Hence, the theory
: that the rabid racoons must have been imported (I don't think most
: racoons have the $0.75 needed to cross the Newburgh bridge ;^) 

The rabies problem is getting worse in New England, but is not new.  In
1986 I had my horses vaccinated for the first time because I was moving to
Storrs.  My new vet had notified me that there were known to be rabid bats
in the area.  The racoons may be bringing more in, but it is not a new
problem.

Karen
From: amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu (Angela Merritt)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Riding breeches - need advice.
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:15:52 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone would like to recommend their favorite
riding breeches.  I have some Christmas money yet to spend :-), and
my old breeches are getting quite worn.  I have a pair of the
Devon-Aire (mostly cotton), and I really like the fit, however it
dosn't appear to be wearing up too well.  I've tried the Miller's
Equestrian brand but they don't fit me too well - not high 
enough in the waist.  Does anyone know if the nylon blends hold
up better than the cotton?  BTW these would be for everyday
wear, so I would be most interested in those under $70.  Any and
all advice would be appreciated!

Angie.
amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu
From: BL.BBB%RLG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Barbara Barone)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Mustang registry
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:42:32 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

To the person who asked about the Mustang Registry --

The North American Mustang Assoc & Registry
P.O. Box 850906
Mesquite, TX  75185-0906

There's also a Spanish Mustang Registry in Sacramento, CA

Barb

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