From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:39:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <MARTINC.93Jan11143112@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:

>   Yes, Charlie, the energy used to develop the body and the
>   energy used to develop the mind are exactly the same thing.
>   In both cases, they are chemical energy derived from the ATP
>   cycle.  Since you constantly brag about how many med-school 
>   courses you've taken, you should at least have a passing
>   acquaintance with high-school biology. 

>I think that's "complain about how many..." since I did it without a
>hope or intention of getting an MD.  

Oh?  First you run off at the mouth about having completed
every required medical course except gross anatomy, then you
say you never had any hope of getting an MD.  Stranger and
stranger.

Of course, now that I think about it, you never said what
kind of grade you completed those courses with.  But if
they weren't good enough to earn you an MD, perhaps you
should stop trying to pass yourself off as an expert.



>In any case, you've used an
>equivocation to make that "point" ... of *course* all the "energy" used
>is Krebs cycle energy.  But if you hadn't deleted the rest of the
>sentence it would be clear in place that you've cut this outr of context
>for a cheap line.

It's still clear, Charlie, to everyone but you.  If you
don't know how to use your newsreader and can't find someone 
to explain how to go back to a previous article, that's not
my problem.  Every word of your precious purple prose is still
there, for anyone interested (and competent enough to use the
software) to see.


>   That doesn't following at all.  The claim was that the
>   limiting factors were energy and dedication, not the
>   number of waking hours. Do try to pay attention, Charlie.

>You need that equivocation -- a false one -- to make this stand up.  Try
>harder. 

Trygve's original article is still there, also.  Again, 
anyone who knows how to use the software can go back and
see that he wrote "energy and dedication," not "waking hours."

If they think it's worth the effort, just to catch you in
yet another lie.


>Oh.  No wonder Edison did so much stuff.  The number of his waking
>hours was greater than ( 24 - hours sleeping).  Uh huh.

Pity they didn't teach remedial reading comprehension in 
that medical school.


>Still not listening.  If you are spending every hour OUTSIDE of eating
>etc on improving your mind, with not one minute left for other things,
>then exercise might interfere with improving your mind.  However, the
>argument you never ever deal with is the one that's been clearly stated
>over and over again and remains unrefuted: that *appropriate* amounts of
>exercise *clear* youer mind and make it *easier* to "improve" your mind.

Charlie, you wouldn't know an appropriate amount of exercise
if it sat up and bit you on the keester.  Anyone who seriously
believes that the average American gets no more exercise than
a 20-foot walk from the television to the refrigerator is out
of touch with reality.


>This is a marvelous demo.  Not a single argument that you haven't used
>before, each and every one of them specious, supported by ad hominem
>(circumstantial) and equivocation.  What makes it SO important to you
>that you remain, after months, obsessed with this topic?

To show what a fanatic you are, Charlie.  The National Fitness
Czar, Aw-nolde Schwartzenneger appears regularly on national
TV, to tell everyone who doesn't excercise like mad that
they're going to hell.  Other celebrities do the same thing,
without the benefit of official government positions.  You
can hardly open a magazine, or turn on a radio or television
without seeing or hearing an advertisement telling you to "get
off your butt and work out."  State, local, and federal governments
spend millions of dollars forcing small children to work out under
the supervision of ex-Marine drill instructors "physical education" 
programs (not to mention competitive, after-school sports, in which
children are killed or maimed every year).  Millions more are spent 
on elaborate public stadiums for multimillionaire athletes.  You never 
question the time and money spent on this. 

But let one person question the need for the most extreme forms
of exercise, and Charlie Martin, DUMC fitness expert, will go 
ballistic.