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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt-x8236)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:50:47 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <srutt.711770972@beagle> srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng) writes:
>drv@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dennis.r.vogel) writes:
>
>>I'm looking for information about a low carbohydrate diet for weight loss.
>>I have questions like how does it work (nutritionally), are there any
>>bad side effects of it, how long must or can one stay on it, etc.
>
>>Pointers to written materials would also be welcomed.
>
>Recently, my mother told me about a diet book some of her friends are
>following and asked me if check out the science behind it. The book was
>called "The Endocrine Diet" (I think) and the object is that by 
>significantly reducing ones carbo intake, daily energy requirements come
>from stored body fat.

This doesn't make a lot of physiological sense. The only means to metabolize
fats is in muscle cells. What must be present in order to do this in the
muscle cells is oxygen and glycogen (carbohydrates) to "prime" some of the
chemical reactions in the aerobic metabolic path.

In other words, carbs must be present to burn fat.

>Protein intake is enhanced as the only other group available besides fat and
>to prevent muscle wasting.

Well, this is a plus. At least the diet didn't substitute fat to replace the
carb calories. :-)

>Side effects are ketosis, a potentially dangerous state if not carefully
>monitored (although the book does describe how to monitor it). There also
>appears to be limited evidence of negative effects to the brain during
>more severe levels of ketosis.

The ketosis is happening because the body is turning the amino acids of the
proteins into carbohydrates. At best, this is a taxing process for the body --
it takes a lot of water and stresses the kidneys.

Your body needs carbs. Give it carbs. You're not doing your body any favor to
feed it too few carbs and too much protein and have it go through some weird
metabolic paths to turn the excess protein into carbohydrates.

>Before I could relay this info to my mother, her friends told me how happpy
>and successful they have been with the low carbo diet and how carefully 
>they are monitoring the ketosis.

What are they monitoring for? How do they know when it happens? What do
they do when it does happen?

>                          -steve

--phil
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From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: nausea while working out
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:30:54 GMT


To the person who said they felt like puking when they worked out:

I had the same thing happen last night. It had been seven hours
since I had eaten, so it wasn't that.

While trying to figure out why this was happening I realized
that I had been tightening (or straining) my neck muscles during
the more difficult parts of the workout. When I made a point of
relaxing them, the nausea stopped.

Hope this helps.
Regards.
Susan
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:23:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9207301829.AA28144

>From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
>>>Anyone know any good shoulder exerices with dumbbells?
>
>>1.  Upright Dumbell Rows
>>2.  Seated Dumbell Military Press
>3. Dumbbell Flyes

guys!! upright dumbbell rows work *TRAPS* (upper back, between
the neck and shoulders) and dumbbell flyes work *PECS*!

dumbbell shoulder exercises (in case my first reply didn't make
it to the list) include:

     dumbbell shoulder presses (overall shoulder, all heads)
     dumbbell lateral raises (middle head)
     dumbbell bentover lateral raises (rear head)
     dummbell front lateral raises (front head)

Janice

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From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Subject: rubber band machines
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8417]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:33:44 GMT


I used to use Nautilus machines at a health club.
Nowadays I have neither the money for membership
nor the travel/dress/undress/wait-in-line time to spare.
So I'm looking into home strength-training machines.

Some of these use weight-stacks, some thick rubber bands,
and others use things that look like automobile shock-absorbers
for the resistance.  Any opinion on which approach is best/worst?

My own inclination is to avoid the weight-stacks
as being less safe with small children in the house.

The shock absorber type machines (e.g. Trimax & Nordicflex Gold)
are pretty expensive, except for one brand that didn't offer
a full range of exercises.

I believe competition will drive the prices down before long,
and/or lead to significant product improvements.
Therefore, to test my working-out resolve I am considering
a cheap $300 Sears rubber band model while I wait for
the really good machines to become affordable.
How good are these cheaper models?

(I value performance and convenience, and won't mind
that much if it breaks three years from now).

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Frank Silbermann	fs@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA


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From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Subject: Re: Recommended low-fat main courses
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.013640.9967@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>In a previous article, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) says:
>
>>>	4) Tofu burgers.  You can find tofu burger mix at the 
>>>	supermarket.  If you buy your tofu in bulk (e.g. at a co-op)
>>>	this can be rather inexpensive.  In my opinion, these don't
>>>	taste bad at all, especially with a dash of soy sauce.  Also,
>>>	I recently tried making a patty out of 50% tofu burger and 
>>>	50% ground turkey.  Since the tofu tends to absorb the flavor
>>>	of whatever it's cooked with, this came out rather well.  
>>>	Tofu protein is almost complete, but if you want to improve the
>>>	quality even more, try eating the burgers with other grain
>>>	products, esp. corn or rice.
>>
>>I was going to get into tofu, until I started reading the nutritional
>>information. Seems that about 50% of the calories are from fat. Is this
>>true with all brands of tofu?
>	I think so, Luther.  However, I recommend it nonetheless because
>even if the percentage of calories from fat is rather high, it still
>contains LESS fat per ounce than most meats.  It also has less calories
>per ounce.

Maybe I am biased because I am a vegetarian :->
You might want to try a product called "Nature's Burger"-- (I must really
sound like a granola-head). It comes in a dry mix, which you add to water
and then shape into patties and cook. They taste pretty good, I like to
dress them up like regular burgers. Also, they are _supposedly_ high in
protein, and contain almost no fat (judging from the ingredient list).

>
>-- 
>Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU
>
>"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
> an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.


Luther
From: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heart rates...
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:46:05 GMT
Reply-To: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Organization: Climate Model Intercomparison Group, LLNL


Mine is between 49-59.  I'm 36, run 4 miles and cycle 40 miles per
week.

                                                  Lisa

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From: gangs@src.umd.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: your input wanted !
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:06:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Systems Research Center, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: gangs@eiffel.src.umd.edu



Hi, I am new to this group. I started weight training few days ago. I work
out three days a week. I am not sure whether I should do little bit of
everything (i.e. chest/biceps/legs/back/triceps/shoulders/abs) everyday
or split into two days. What is the proper way of splitting  in two 
days ? I appreciate any input. Thanks a lot !

Gangadhar. 
gangs@src.umd.edu
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:44:16 GMT

>From: ah238@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Zupko)
>Anyone know any good shoulder exerices with dumbbells?

you mean like dumbbell shoulder presses, dumbbell lateral raises,
dumbbell front lateral raises, and dumbbell bent-over lateral raises?
:-)

Janice

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: acarr@pell2l13.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr)
Subject: Re: Heart rates...
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:01:11 GMT

I> |> I know everyone's is different, but I'm curious to hear what  
everyone's
> |> at-rest heart-rate is (and age, also).
> |> 
> |> -Lar
> 
Female, age 37,
At rest (i.e. sitting at the computer) 48-55
At end of aerobic/box-stepping workout  145-170 depending.  It also  
returns very quickly to normal.
From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heartrates...
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:32:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

My heartrate while resting has varied from 33 to 220, although the
slower rate was measured while I was asleep.  Both of these readings
were taken with medical equipment.  Right now it is between 47 and 90,
depending on how actively I type and how happy I am to see articles
supporting my stance on love handle reduction.  These numbers all
count the double beats.

Ken
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:41:34 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Jul20.195507.3083@csi.uottawa.ca>, mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
> 
> I read more than once that women in general sweat less than men.  The reason
> given for this is that the female body is more efficient at cooling down.
> I certianly have noticed that I sweat far less than my SO but that could
> just be coincidence.  Could any women out there concur?
> Nevertheless I think sweating is perfectly normal and shouldn't be considered 
> unhealthy.  
> 

Are you sure that less sweat means that a body is *more* efficient
at cooling? The body sweats in order to cool off. I think that the
person who sweats more is actually cooling off more efficiently 
than the 'non-sweater'.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: weisz@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (ivan weisz)
Subject: exercise advice needed
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:23:10 GMT

I recently bought a "home fitness center" by mail-order. It looks like a cheap
clone of the Soloflex, leg extension and butterfly extension included.
Since I am an absolute novice in this area, I would appreciate any suggestions
on books or magazine articles that would help me to start some exercise
program.  
I am wondering about the proper way of performing the exercises, their
suggested order, what exercises to do to achieve certain goals, etc...
I would greatly appreciate any e-mail suggestions. Also if this newsgroup has
any FAQ file, I would like to know how to get it.
Thanks 
Ivan Weisz
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The misc.fitness TOP TEN list
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:33:45 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.

In <1992Jul28.214951.28742@inter-tel.com> wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg) writes:


Everything deleted - 

I think you missed one -

3b: Muscle mass. - I want to train once a week but don't want to look like
Arnold S (Ok I am old, who ever is Mr Body these days) what sort of
training should I do ?

Tricky - (one of St Coverts faithful believers)


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From: sjs@hood.hood.caltech.edu (Stephen Speicher)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Home Gyms- Advice needed
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:04:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

I am looking at some home gyms - the Pacific Catalina, the California Gold,
and the Hoist 1000 - all with the leg press. I would like information from
people experienced with these machines (and recommendations for others).

I would also like a recommendation for a reliable dealer in the San Fernando
Valley/LA area where I can get a good deal.

Any info you can provide is appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephen
sjs@hood.hood.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Reg Foulkes
Subject: Re: Qustn. for weight lifting GURUs.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.075036.209@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>
loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
Chris,
       I've just had three weeks off. No training what-so-ever. When 
I returned I only lost strength in bench. But boy --I was sore.
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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Question on Universal
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.215909.15268@auto-trol.com>
 stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
  
>                                           The question is: which
> of the two weights corresponds more closely to free weights?  Is
> ten reps at 100 lbs. marked at the low end on the bench press
> station equivalent to ten reps at 100 lbs. with free weights?

There is only a slight correlation between the nominal weights
inscribed on a given machine's weight stack and free weights.
That's why bodybuilder slang for most weight machines is "fake weight".
 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25 (Mike)
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:19:00 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul22.185537.19449@athena.mit.edu> poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude
 Poux) writes:
>>Dymetadrine 25 is nothing but pure ephedrine hydrochloride which is a mild
>>central nervous system stimulator.  It encourages the production of norepi-
>>nephrine.  This in turn acts as a mild bronchodilator.
>rob, also bear in mind that dym 25 is not fda approved.

It depends on how the product is labelled.   Ephedrine is an
over-the-counter preparation for use in asthma and as a decongestant.
These are FDA approved indications for this drug.  It is also a mild
CNS stimulant.

I think it's dumb to use during a workout (it's akin to doping
with amphetamines, and probably not so good for your blood pressure
during a strenuous workout.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul29.124307.240@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

>Side effects are relatively nil.  Of course there are drawbacks with it as with
>all drugs if you take enough of it.  The only side effects you might feel is
>a slight nervousness or jitteryness (sp?).  This should go away however.  If it
>continues then you should not take it.  Obviously, if you take more than your 
>supposed to, then your in trouble.  Just like if you OD on Pepto Bismol or even
>aspirin.

Well, actually, some people can experience a rapid heart rate and possibly
feelings of panic.  Higher blood pressure would also be experienced until the
drug wears off.  Sleeplessness will occur as long as the drug lasts (about
10 hours--I'm guessing).

							-Adam

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From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.brown.edu (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Triceps Exercises
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:30:06 GMT

>From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
>You can also do a variation on this using a straight bar and both arms
>for the reverse push-down

an ez-curl bar can also be attached to the cable machine, and is gentler
on the wrists! :-)

Janice

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Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 10:59:08 EDT
From: Robert Cryan Jr. <IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Weight training with diabetes ?


I am trying to get in touch with people who have diabetes to relay some
information to my training partner.  I know very little about diabetes
and cannot help as much as I like.  Are there any weightlifters out there
that can lend support through personal experiences or maybe the name,
number or address of a Doctor/health professional that specializes in
weightlifters with diabetes?

Thanks in advance.

Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: rajacobs@plg.waterloo.edu (Rory Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:53:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.221103.21309@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>
>	According to my most recent info, fat metabolism kicks in after
>about 15-20 minutes of aerobic exercise.  It then lasts for at least one
>hour, and *perhaps* up to 4-5 hours.
>
>	Does anyone have some more precise information on how long fat
>metabolism lasts?
>


Hi,

To answer your questions, I am paraphrasing/plagerizing a book by
book by Peter G.J.M. Janssen, M.D, "Training Lactate Pluse-Rate",
about which energy sources you are using.

The Various Energy supplying systmes and their chracteristics:

Terminonlogy

ATP --- Adenosine triphosphate, this provides the ability for muscles
        to contract or relax

carbohydrates--- sugars, starches, glucose.

System 1:  
A limited amount of ATP exists in each muscle cell.  

It works by
   ATP  -> ADP + energy

But there is a limited amount of ATP in each muscle cell.  
This system is used for short burts of energy.  I have
read this lasts 1-2 s

To re-make ATP, in each muscle cell there is Creatine Phosphate which
is present is small quantities, which is capable of re-formaing ADP
into ATP very fast.

   Creatine phosphate + ADP -> creatine + ATP

This aiding system does not offer a lasting solution; about 6 to 8 secs.

System 2:  Aerobic system

A lasting not-time restricted solution is offered by aiding systems that burn
up foodstuffs. i.e.e  The oxidations of carbohydrates and fats.

The store of fats can be practically viewed as a unlimited energy supply.
This does not apply to the carbohydrates.  Carbohydrates are stored
mostly in the liver and muscles.  This latter store of energy is good
for at least one hour of maximum exertion.

The burning up of fats works by:
   fats + oxygen + ADP -> carbon dioxide + ATP + water

The burning of carbohydrates is more complicated but provides more energy:
   glucose + ADP -> lactate + ADP
   lactate + oxygen + ADP -> carbon dioxide + ATP + water.

When the level of exertion is heightened, however, there is a point when this
approach does not apply any more.  The demenad for energy is then such
that the second phase is 'overtaxed'; its capcity is no longer
sufficient to to transfrom the lactic acid emitted in the first phase.  
The resulut is an accumulation of lactate in the working muscles.  The causes
a feelign of powerlessness, and the exerttion can not be mainted at the
smame levels.

-Rory

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:43:24 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul30.100641.246@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>Steve,  do you have proof that ephedrine is screened for in competition?

Any of the adrenergic anti-asthmatic drugs are part of a drug screen
in international competition.

>Also,
>Where were you able to find ephedrine in a pharmacy here in Boston?

You ask for it from the pharmacist.  Of course, pseudoephedrine, a less
potent isomer, is on the shelf as Sudafed and generic pseudoephedrine.
Ephedrine and theophylline (a xanthine bronchodilator related to caffeine)
are the active ingredients of Bronkaid tablets.  Primatene tablets either
have just ephedrine and theophylline together, or with a small amount of
phenobarbital or an antihistamine--you'd have to read the label.

>Just in general, E.P.H. or ephedra is the same as ephedrine which is the same
>as Dymetadrine 25.  Ephedra can be found in Ma Huang tea which the Chinese have
>been drinking for centuries.

Yes, so?

-- 
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