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From: mamohamm@pluto.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Pakistan vs Rest of The World
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:37:44 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.


	Does anybody know what happened to the match between 
	Pakistan and Rest of the World in Toronto?


-- 
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			  A Woman Wants To Be The Man's Last Romance
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From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Irani Update - Oct 1st.
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:18:43 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Hi folks:

Here is the latest update as promised(Of course, I could not have kept any
promise if our Srinivas had not come thru again).

************************************************************************

Rest of India : 638 all out (1st innings)
WVR : 184,  Siddhu : 59,  VK : 94,  PA : 86,  Yadav : 82 and Maninder : 3

Delhi : 229 all out (1st innings)
Lamba : 89, Kumble : 21-4-64-7
 Follow on 409 runs behind.
(2nd innings)
  287 all out
Kumble : 35-10-74-6
  All his wickets were caught by V. Kambli.
  Prabhakar : 62 and Bantoo Singh : 69.

**************************************************************************

(VK = Kambli, PA = Amre)


How about that? Innings victory, and six second innings going to the
combination of 

                (Batsman) Ct Kambli B Kumble!! 

Nice touch!

Thirteen wickets in the match! Boy! That must be Kumble's best ever game, first
class or any class! 

That's it as far as Irani Trophy is concerned. Batsmen from ROI who failed in
the first innings and were hoping for a second chance to stake their claims
must be cursing themselves. That's the way the cookie crumbles, I guess.

-Murali
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From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen)
Subject: Re: Possible S.A. team vs. India
Date:  5 Oct 92 10:37:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa
Keywords: my selection

colin@physci.uct.ac.za (COLIN HENDERSON) writes:

>1  J. Cook  (Transvaal)
>2  A. Hudson (Natal)
>3  K. Wessels (E.Province) (c)
>4  P. Kirsten (Border)
>5  W. Cronje (Orange Free State)
>6  B. McMillan (W. Province)
>7  D. Richardson (E. Province) (w/k)
>8  R. Snell (Tvl)
>9  T. Shaw (E. Province) for ODI / C. Eksteen (Tvl) for Tests
>10 M. Pringle (W. Province)
>11 A. Donald (OFS)
>12 J. Rhodes

>Richard Snell's place is being challenged by the likes of Stephen Jack, Rudi 
>Bryson and Craig Matthews.  
And maybe Bosch (Northenr Tvl) (under a real captain) for the longer matches.

>The spinner is the biggest problem. I believe one is essential, and we have 
The biggest problem in my mind is wicket keeping. Richardson can't bat
nor keep.  Maybe the answer is Steward (Natal) or Palframan (Border),
or go for a real keeper like McBride (Tvl). (Or teach Haysman (N. Tvl)
to keep.) 

>For the all-rounder spot, I'd loove to bring back Ricey, but McMillan has 
>both strike ability as a bowler and the necessary temperament to shore up 
>batting collapses, so he wins it by a nose.
More like 100 yards. The old man has had it.

>The number five spot has many contenders, including Louis Koen, Roy Pienaar, 
>and Jonty Rhodes.  Pienaar, an attractive strokemaker, would be better 
>employed higher up, but there's no room.  Jonty Rhodes' batting always looks 
>a little fragile, but he invariably came in at awkward times in the WC and 
>so couldn't build his innings. He almost invariably did what was 
>required, though.  The breathtaking running between the wickets against the 
>Sri Lankans when runs were a premium and the six which IMHO swung the WC 
>match finally out of the Indians' grasp are fine examples. But Hansie makes 
>it on consistency.  If Jonty can stick around a little, he might be the 
>successor to Kirsten, who is running out of cricket years. Though of course 
>he has nowhere near the class.  (but then I'm a Kirsy fan).
On the other hand Koen, Pienaar and Cullinan do have the class of
Kirsten. I would think that it is a race between them all for 4 and 5
and that Kirsy might not make it on the fast pitches.

>Well, sorry chaps, this has got rather long.  As cricket is one of the 
>three national religions here (after Soccer and Rugby) there are bound to be 
>other S. Africans on this net who'll comment. Where are they?
Still hiding after the rugby defeat by the French hopefulls.

Pieter Vermeulen
From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Possible S.A. team vs. India
Keywords: my selection
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:27:11 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	Well Colin, thanks for the report on the SA team. Lots of the
players are familiar, obviously, but the news on the pitches is new (I'd
heard of the grounds, but had no idea how they behaved). 
	Now, some questions. Have been hearing about this guy, supposedly a
paceman , called Tertius Bosch. From what I've gathered , he's faster than
maybe a McMillan and Snell ? How about Pringle, is he faster than him too
(I don't suppose he's close to Donald's pace is he ? For the sake of the
Indian team, I hope not :-) Is he likely to make the team at all ?
	Also, read this book by Richard Evans  on the rebel England tour,
he mentioned Omar Henry as a prospectively terrific test bowler, tho he
didn't seem to think much of him for the ODI's . Is that true ? I mean,
is he one of the last few guys left who has the guts to flight the ball, or
does he bowl flat as well ? 
	And Evans also mentioned Mark Rushmere in the book, claimed he was
very very good. I've tried to follow Rushmere a bit since, he hasnt been
terrific - one inning for about 35 in the WC and not much in WI. Will he
make the team , do you think, maybe at #3 ? After all, you wouldn't have to
look for someone like Rhodes to be 5, could just drop someone down the
order. 
	And finally, about the keeper slot. Forgotten the guys name, but
Evans mentioned the guy who kept in the rebel test as comparable to anyone
in the world, and claimed Richardson only played the ODI's because he
was considered to be able to "get a move on" better than this other guy. Is
Richardson now a certainty for the test team as well ? 
	Thanks in advance.

			Sadiq [ always curious ] Yusuf
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From: papadopoulos-dimitrios@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitrios Papadopoulos)
Subject: Re: INDIAN TEAM to SA/ZIMBABWE
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:02:38 GMT

In article <92276.115214SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.065829.28990@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>Sanjay.Naik@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) says:
>>
>>        Didn't he do well against the Windies too? I thought it was
>>against the Windies that Raman got 97 odd. I was hoping that we'd get two
>>
>raman scored 81 on his test debut vs the WI. he also got a 95 in an ODI vs the
>WI during the same tour. i think it was prabhakar who got a 97(?) vs NZ. i'm
>not sure about raman, however.
>
>Stay cool,
>The Thinker
>
>Cogito ergo potum                               I think therefore I drink
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>shoveling the walk before it stops snowing.
>                -- Phyllis Diller


People who saw him get 95 in the ODI match against WI will rather like to
forget that innings-he was dropped something like 7-8 times-Simmons
dropped hime something like 4 times.

Ya it was prabhakar who got a 96 in new zealand as an opener before he was
given caught behind down the leg side (he was not happy with the decision 
indicating the ball had come of his pads).

--Pushkar
From: gopala@cs.wisc.edu (Venkatasubramanian Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: All-rounders galore! What's wrong with this picture?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:38:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <1992Oct6.023517.2885@cs.wisc.edu>, gopala@cs.wisc.edu (Venkatasubramanian Gopalakrishnan) writes:

..stuff deleted..

|> 
|> Briefly this : lack of dedication and the will to more than what is 
						   ^
						 make it "to do"
|> necessary to stay in the team.

..stuff deleted..


					Bye
					KGB
				(also KGV, Venkat, etc)

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Graduate Student				Ph: Res: (608) 259-1228
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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:14:20 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Here is my ALL World team of 80's
----------









1.Gavaskar
2.Greenidge
3.Richards
4.Miandad
5.Gower
6.M.Crowe
7.Kapil Dev
8.Imran Khan
9.Dujon
10.Hadlee
11.Qadir

If it had been 70's there would have been a surfeit of great
keepers. Like,KNott, Taylor,Marsh,Kirmani,Bari and Deryck Murray.

Bye,

************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian          	GO BREWERS ! GO !    

Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
Marquette University       
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From: d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: test..
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.6OCT199215250318
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

this is  atest .sory to wate net space..

sidd. 
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From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273)
Subject: Re: RICHEST EVER COUNTY CONTRACT
Reply-To: shamim@bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:33:51 GMT

In article 1FDC2420@vms.csd.mu.edu,  9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.012750.566@unlinfo.unl.edu>, gunnit@cse.unl.edu (Gunnit S. Khurana) writes:
>>Just read in 'The Cricketer' (Pakistan) that Waqar has signed a three
>>year contract with Surrey. It is richest ever contract with a county.
>>He'll be paid 70,000 pounds per year. The news article also mentioned
>>Saleem Malik and Mushtaq Ahmad. They will be paid 44,000 and 22,000 
>>pound per year by Essex and Somerset respectively.
>
>Ironically, at about the same time as Waqar Younus, Salim Malik and Mushtaq
>Ahmed were being offered these contracts, a couple of Indian cricketers have
>jeopardised fellow cricketers' aspirations to play in the English league. 
>The story is that Maninder Singh and Atul Wassan left their respective club
>sides in the lurch and flew home a couple of weeks before the season ended. 

>I don't know what to think of this. Any thoughts? 
>
>-Murali



Well, a bit of the same happened with SRT at Yorkshire.  There was a
lot of goodwill and harmony that SRT generated during his stay. Then
with two weeks left for the county season, Yorkshire got a stern wire
from the BCCI (or some such board in India) demanding that SRT be
released forthwith so that he could play in local Indian matches and
hence be considered for the SA tour. The article gave the distinct
impression that the tone and words of the wire message were quite sharp
and were not well received by the Yorkshire committee.  I do not know
whether this has really damaged SRTs relationship with Yorkshire CC.

I believe that Wasson, Maninder and SRT were concerned that if they did
not play in the Ranji (or whatever) they will not be eligible for
consideration for the SA tour.

I should mention here that league cricket does not pay that well. The
contracts to Waqar or Wasim are exceptional and are for county
cricket.  League cricket is quite different and a good contract for a
pro, for example, would be a couple of hundred pounds a week.

	--SAN
From: prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Test 11 to SA and ODI 11 too (Looooong !)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:23:16 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <karnik.718309658@exa>, karnik@exa.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes...
>In <1992Oct5.150937.27161@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:
>>In article <karnik.718146038@giga>, karnik@giga.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes...
> 
[stuff deleted]

>>	As I mentioned, that is simply my opinion, based on what I've seen
>>of both Jadeja and Raman. I've seen much more of Raman than of Jadeja, but
>>he's just failed to impress *me* (not that it matters...). Jadeja, *IMHO*, is
>>more correct, less liable to go fishing outside off stump, and more technically
>>sound than Raman. OTOH, Raman might well be better to watch when he gets going
>>but I've not had that pleasure yet.

  Yes, Raman is prone to fishing outside the off-stump (like most left-handers
  do). But, he's all elegance. As PVR pointed out, Raman was scoring heavily 
  during the 1990 England tour (in the tour matches) and the scribes were all 
  praise for his style of batting, saying, it had the lazy elegance of Gower. 

  May be U have a point here. Jadeja is more suited to No. 1 spot than Raman.
  But, I'm more inclined to having a few left-handed batsmen at the early 
  slots. 

>>	Agreed that Yadav needs time to mature. But keeping More in the team
>>for his batting isn't right either. Most of the other keepers in the reckoning
>>are better batsmen than More - Pandit, Yadav, Saba Karim, Mongia.... and
>>probably better keepers too.

  Pandit, a better keeper? Can't sell that to me. Don't know much about Saba
  Karim as keeper, though we know of his batting abilities. Mongia...Umm..
  let's see. Hope Yadav takes over next season.

[stuff deleted]

>>	I suppose Kumble would make it, on the basis of his recent form and
>>his past performance in ODIs. Also, he's said to be a decent batsman (at Ranji
>>level of course :-)

  He's got a couple of hundreds and is a compact batsman. 

/Bharani
From: gopala@cs.wisc.edu (Venkatasubramanian Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: All-rounders galore! What's wrong with this picture?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:35:17 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <605@wavefront.wti.com>, ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
|> 
|> Consider the following Indian XI:
|> 
|> W.V. Raman       |   started off his career as a bowler, still bowls
|> Ajay Jadeja      |   started off his career as a bowler? still bowls
|> Md. Azharuddin   |   specialist batsman, occasional bowler
|> Sanjay Manjrekar |   specialist batsman, cannot bowl 
|> Sachin Tendulkar |   specialist batsman, decent bowler, specially in ODIs
|> R. J. Shastri    |   started off his career as a bowler, still bowls
|> Kapil Dev        |   need I say more?
|> Kiran More       |   keeper, thank God this guy can't bowl!
|> Manoj Prabhakar  |   specialist bowler, decent batsman, has opened!!
|> Chetan Sharma    |   specialist bowler, has scored a century!! decent bat!
|> J. Srinath       |   specialist bowler, a wild hitter in the Lance Cairns mode
|> 
|> There is just one batsman (Manjrekar) who cannot bowl. And just one
|> bowler (Srinath) who cannot bat.  Yet, this team has crumbled on
|> dead pitches and not been able to dismiss opponents twice on bowler's 
|> tracks. Can someone tell me -- What's wrong with this picture?

Briefly this : lack of dedication and the will to more than what is 
necessary to stay in the team.

|> -- 
|> --
|> Ravi N. Raj                                   ravi@wti.com
|>                                               Lakers - Knicks '93


					Bye
					KGB
				(also KGV, Venkat, etc)

==========================================================================
Venkatasubramanian Killukudi Gopalakrishnan	Email: gopala@cs.wisc.edu
Graduate Student				Ph: Res: (608) 259-1228
Computer Sciences Department			    Off: (608) 262-9822
Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
			    "Be yourself, you can't do it wrong!"
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From: sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: <None>
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:42:29 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Well, since someone first posted there best and worst sides since 1970, I have
been struggling to come up with the equivalent for NZ.  I have been hampered by
the fact that I have all my reference books some 30 km away, and I was a small
child with little or no interest in cricket (apart from playing it) through
most of the seventies.   However, here is my attempt...

Worst NZ side since 1970

1. Terry Jarvis
Ordinary Batsman who got the opening spot in the West Indies in 1972.  Scored
180-odd in setting up a NZ-record 1st wicket partnership, on a wicket so flat
that any batsman could have prospered, against possibly the weakest WI bowling
attack in the last 30 years.  Did little else.

2. Phil Horne
Double international.  Should have stuck to badminton.

3. John Parker
Served from 1973-1981.  Had a nasty habit of making good scores just often
enough to evade the selectors axe.

4. Murray Parker
John's bother.  Never achieved much on the subcontinent. Dropped quickly.

5. Ken Rutherford
While it may seem strange to include a man who has scored 317 in a day, Kenny
is fast developing into today's John Parker.

6. Peter Webb
Debuted against WI.  Never achieved much.

7. Jock Edwards
Selected as keeper/batsman for the '78 tour of England.  Prooved to be no good
in either capacity, being replaced for the final test by Bruce Edgar with the
gloves.

8. Derek Stirling.  Made a big splash of his first tour of Pakistan, but after
that his flawed technique found him out.  Now bowls medium pacers for
Wellington.

9. Stu Gellespie
Was a ludicrous selection for a test against Australia, having played only one
first class match in the previous two years.

10. Murray Webb
Fast bowler in early seventies.  Never had what it took at international level.

11. Peter Petherick
Made a big splash on debut by taking a hat-trick.  After that achieved very
little.  Beats Patel into this spot on account of his inferior batting.


Best side since 1970

1. Glenn Turner (c)
2. John Wright
3. Bevan Congdon
4. Martin Crowe
5. Mark Greatbach
6. Jeremy Coney
7. Richard Hadlee
8. Ian Smith
9. Bruce Taylor
10.Hedley Howarth
11.Ewen Chatfield

Main area of concern were at no. 5 (Howarth, Burgess, Jones) where Greatbach
won through because of his enthusiasm and fielding, Keeper, where I always felt
that Wadsworths position was always cemented by his batting rather than his
keeping ability, spinner, where the choice was between Howarth, Boock and
Bracewell, and seamer where Taylor, Collinge, Cairns and Chatfield competed for
the final two places



		Stephen..
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From: karnik@giga.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Test 11 to SA and ODI 11 too
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:27:19 GMT

In <BvJ7JM.3Hy@rice.edu> pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao) writes:

>|> >Kambli
>|> ^^^^^^^^^
>|> (Freudian slip ? ) :-) 


>Incidentally, Bharat made the same slip (Kambli instead of Kambli) twice in his
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Heh heh, cool it guys.......  :-)


>Manjrekar is no longer a `purist'. :-(

	That's too pessimistic, PVR! Wait and see.... 

>Totally agree. But, I am very doubtful about whether Manjrekar wants to open.
>Also, I am not very sure if Shastri will agree to play down the order.

	Shastri will probably happily skip down the order in ODIs. He was
never really enthusiastic about opening the batting anyway. Even after 
Gavaskar's move of opening with Srikkanth and Shastri was sussessful beyond
his wildest dreams :-), Shastri had dropped back to the lower order for a 
time. 

>The "best technique" in India has already been "ruined" enough. :-(

	Tsk tsk, PVR... have faith! :-)

>PVR
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
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From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: {Was Re: richest county contract} Playing truant
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:39:07 GMT

The point made by some nettors are that the Indian cricketers shouldn't have 
left England at that time. BULLSHIT ! Then how in the world will they play in
the matches[Duleep, Deodhar, Irani whatever] which are a prelude to the 
selections ?

I don't think there is anything wrong in coming of in the middle of the
English league to earn a place in the Indian team. Maybe they will have to
pay some fines. Thats fine. But a place in the Indian team is worth more.
And it is good to note that nobody is taking their place in the team for 
sure.

Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: {Was Re: richest county contract} Playing truant
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:09:30 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Sep28.153351.5061@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273) writes:
>In article 1FDC2420@vms.csd.mu.edu,  9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.012750.566@unlinfo.unl.edu>, gunnit@cse.unl.edu (Gunnit S. Khurana) writes:
>
>>I don't know what to think of this. Any thoughts? 
>>
>>-Murali

>I believe that Wasson, Maninder and SRT were concerned that if they did
>not play in the Ranji (or whatever) they will not be eligible for
>consideration for the SA tour.

Yes. Maninder and Wassan were asked to be available for the domestic games so
that they could be considered for the SA tour. These instructions/directions
were from their home-teams, apparently. 

>I should mention here that league cricket does not pay that well. The
>contracts to Waqar or Wasim are exceptional and are for county
>cricket.  League cricket is quite different and a good contract for a
>pro, for example, would be a couple of hundred pounds a week.

Yes. Agreed again. It is more the principle than the money which is given the
go-by here. The fine levied on Wassan is about 750 pounds, but it is the threat
to avoid Indian players in future that is more hurting to other aspiring
youngsters. Wassan and Maninder knew pretty well what they were getting before
they signed the contracts. Since the general itinerary of the domestic cricket 
is quite the same every year, these two could have planned their league season
accordingly. 

Anyway, all this has only succeeded in creating bad-blood, whether the culprits
are the authorities in India or the cricketers or the club-sides(fat chance).

>
>	--SAN

-Murali
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