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From: esj@wasp.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: A couple of things Ive been meaning to post
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:29:14 GMT
Reply-To: esj@wasp.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Organization: U of Florida  Engineering Computer Support Facility

Ok. Its friday night. It looks like the 16 way stuff we had planned for
z-hills is gonna get rained out, and I have my log book in front of me.

There have been a couple of things I have been meaning to post but 
just haven't had the time. Well, I do now... One is ugly, and one is great.
Ill start with the ugly one in this post.

Labor day weekend we lost a friend. I was not there when Jim went in. When 
it happened I was on a plane on my way back from the wind tunnel in 
PF Tennesee. My four way team had a blast working on turns in place for 
the equivilent of 12.5 minutes of free fall each. We got back to 
jax (one of the team members houses) and were watching the video of the
day's fun when someone called and told us that there has been a fatality 
in Palatka. (my home DZ)

Stunned, we called the DZ and found out who. 

Jim Plude was a medium time jumper but was also a early morning jumper.
The kind of guy who loved to skydive and was always there to help fill
that 9am load. I had made 5-10 jumps with him.  So had another member
of the team. He was one of those guys who fit in right away at the DZ
Partied with us often on the "DZ" outing's.  He didn't drink, and in 
fact was a substance abuse counceler in the navy, but was always there  
at the functions, having a great time.

It was a early morning load. First of the day. One I would have
probably been on had I been at the DZ. (The team doesn't start jumping
till 10, so I usually do a student or a fun jump early) It was his
first jump on his rig after he had moved his throw out pouch from the
leg strap to the bottom of his container. He had jumped BOC gear 5 or
six times the weekend before. (borrowed) He had practiced on the ground
with his own gear a few times that morning.

No one can say exactly what happened, so I will stick to the facts. The skydive
went well. A 3 way that filled a tandem (his girlfriend was the passenger :-(
at breakkoff (high 4000') he tracked away. He deployed his main at about 500` 
but it left immediately, it was obviously cut away before. His reserve ripcord 
handle was still in the pocket after impact. 

He died.

I guess a classic case of losing track of time/altitude when things went
wrong. Sigh. I posted earlier about my own "malfunction", and how it didn't 
phase me in the slightest to go to my reserve when things were not going as
planned/expected. I wish he had done the same. There is not much more I can 
say.

He will be missed. 

Blue Skies Jim....

Ej
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From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Advice for new jumpers buying gear
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:35:46 GMT

>
> r> The problem with mini risers is that at the grommet that the 3ring locking 
> r> loop passes through, you only have about 1/4 inch of 
> r> webbing on each side of 
> r> the grommet hold everything together. This weak point will break under a 
> r> much lower load than a standard riser. A jumper who has 
> r> a high wing loading 
> r> on his hard opening Zp canopy might just find himself connected to his main
> r> by one riser goup. 
>
>Just to pick a nit here, the force of the opening AT THE RISER won't change 
>with wing loading.  That only effects the canopy.  So wing loading is 
>irrelevant.
>

I dunno, I agree with the first one.  When I went down in size (with same
basic canopy design) , I got SLAMED.  Now if I felt it, then I'm sure
my risers felt it as well.....

A smaller canopy with heavier suspended weight will open faster, right?
(Less "spreading" to do with the same force dragging it out).


From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:30:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

In article: 
>rec.skydiving / jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) / 10:24 pm  Oct  3, 1992 /
>Just two thoughts on this month's issue of Parachutist:
>One: Congrats Art for your Gold Wings and 12-Hour..


Thanks.  But I have to tell you about the timing.  I actually qualified for
both in June of *1991*.  The presentation didn't occur until October and
it was on Lopez Island in the San Juans not at the Snohomish Parachute Center.
It's not really _Parachutist's_ fault, the photo was in the Conference
Directors camera until about May or June of this year.  At least they
gave my newsletter a plug :-)

I was busting the Conf. Dir. that if I ever see the photo in _P_ he 
should caption it as an anniversary of the presentation of the awards...
and it did work out that way.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
From: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: World Cup at Gap (France)
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


The '92 World Cup organized at Gap (France) is now finished. I'll post all
the details as soon as possible (one or two days).

Here are some short news:

weather : baaaaaaaad...

4-way : (6 jumps) 1. France
                  2. USA
                  3. Danmark

        The French team won very easily. (average : about 19)


8-way : (7 jumps) 1. France
                  2. USA
                  3. Russia

	The French team won for ONE point after a rejump.


***** All the details coming soon... *****


--Pierre    moret@di.epfl.ch
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: jnrees@athena.mit.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: jumpers whiplash?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:46:13 GMT

In article <Bvr9HB.J1v@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:

   It hurts my sensitive fingers.   :-)  If I pack alot during the winter
   months, they may even crack (and, ohmygod, bleed.  I have a working
   theory that it's because of the rubber bands.

When I switched to tube stows, I immediately noticed that my fingers
didn't get so sore from a day of jumping/packing.  This combined with
the fact that they last hundreds of jumps makes them a very worthwhile
investment. 

Jim Rees
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: RE: OUR DAILY PHILOSOPHY
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:11:11 GMT

Reply-to: Craig.Edon@p0.f35.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Edon)
Fido-To: romulus!ssv004.ssd.loral.

RO>   > Who goes through your pockets for beer money when you go in?

RO>   Didn't think anyone goes through the pockets.  In fact, there may be no p
RO>   to check on some jumps (swimtrunks/lingerie/nude!).  Was told the traditi
RO>   to carry $20 with your packing card to: A) try to bribe the FAA inspector
RO>   your rig is out of date; B) pay for a taxi ride back to the DZ on a reall
RO>   bad spot; C) pay for the beer when you go in.

I learn something new EVERY day here. Guess I better put that $20 in
with my packing card<G>

Craiger

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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: jumpers whiplash?
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:58:06 GMT

Jim Rees (jnrees@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
: In article <Bvr9HB.J1v@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:
: 
:    It hurts my sensitive fingers.   :-)  If I pack alot during the winter
:    months, they may even crack (and, ohmygod, bleed.  I have a working
:    theory that it's because of the rubber bands.
: 
: When I switched to tube stows, I immediately noticed that my fingers
: didn't get so sore from a day of jumping/packing.  This combined with
: the fact that they last hundreds of jumps makes them a very worthwhile
: investment. 

I experienced the same feeling.  Long live tube stows! (pun intended).
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From: Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca
Subject: Re: jumpers whiplash?
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:17:53 GMT

In article <1120.2ACD2521@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org
(SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
>Fido-To: romulus!landru.mtc.ti.com!rm
>
>Wednesday September 30 1992, romulus!landru.mtc.ti.com!rmfowler writes to
Skydive:
>
> rmtc> I just made my first tandem jump this past weekend and noticed
> rmtc> some aches in my body for a couple of days afterwards.  Most
> rmtc> notably was a slight "whiplash" feeling in my neck and back.
> rmtc> My friend who also jumped felt the same.
> rmtc> I watched the video and didn't notice much of a jerk when the
> rmtc> chute opened but that's the only explanation I could think of.
>
> rmtc> Anyone else ever noticed anything like this?
>
>Yes, you were just using muscles you have never used before.
>

I find packing (I've been flat packing my own gear until recently) is much
harder on my body than most opennings or landings.  A couple of weeks ago there
were some lowish clouds and a lot of first jumpers so I decided to make some
money packing student rigs.  I packed about 10 in one day and my back,
shoulders, and especially glutei (butt muscles) were so sore then next day I
could hardly move (and I'm in pretty good shape).  Actually, everytime I pack
more than about 4 or 5 in one day I get pretty sore.  
Anyone else?  

If I ever win the lotto I'm never going to pack again.  Come to think of it if
I win the lotto I'd buy my own King Air and would never have to worry about
jump tickets again either (or cold Canadian weather, cases of beer, ornary
pilots, old gear, ugly colours, rides to the DZ, food, etc.)!

Charolyn
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:08:04 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu!bo

 r> slowed down the Strato-Star's acceptance.  With the advent of the slider,
 r> however, its popularity surged.  I jumped one for awhile, but moved up to
 r> its 7-cell brother, the Strato-Cloud, which gave me much better landings.

 r> And talk about durable.  I sold it after putting 800 jumps on it and it was
 r> still in great shape and was jumped for years by its susequent owner.

Yep, I've got one which has maybe 2 or 3 thousand jumps on it at least.  And it's still in good shape too.


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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Re: Skydiving GIF's
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:04:00 GMT

My turn, 
Some else so graciously gave me the following ftp
site, so I thought I should pass it on...!

skydive.eng.ufl.edu

I really like the one skydivers....... Great cessna 
exit!



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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: New CRW Record!
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:17:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.6730171
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

I just talked to a good friend of mine who helped set the new
CRW record for largest formation and largest diamond CRW formation.

In a nutshell here's what he had to say: 

The record now stands at 38, surpassing the record set by the French 
by 1.  Lots of scary wraps but good dives.  They tried for a 40-way which
built to 39 before running out of time.  Johnny said that there was
a far amount of anxiety because of the numerous and violent wraps.
One jumper pulled himself off the 40-way attempts because of the
wrap factor.  This jumper was involved in a three (3!) wraps during the 
course of of the attempts.  Two or three canopies got trashed and a number of 
bruises and minor cuts, but no serious injuries.  Lots of wraps and 
cut-aways but they kept at it and got the record.

Fantastic!!!!

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Jump Number Statistics
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:35:12 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: paul stansberry

 PS> Great, thanks Mark.  However, my number is now up to 21 
 PS> with 0 mal's.  My wifes is still 16.

You lucky dog!  I wish I had a wife who was 16


;)



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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: High altitude bungee jump
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:50:48 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!acad3.alaska.edu!fsbgf

 r> With all this talk about skydiving and bungee jumping I started thinking...
 r> has anyone ever exited an airplane like a Casa or Caribou connected to the
 r> plane with a long rope/bungee and been towed behind the airplane then cut
 r> away from the cord to freefall?? It sounds like it could be fun if done
 r> right.

In the old skydiving flick Wings, there is a sequence of someone being lowered 
out of a Cessna 182 on a rope (static line maybe?) and hanging there a while and then cutting loose.  It must have been AT LEAST back in the 70s.


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From: shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Human mals - desc.
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:34:59 GMT
Reply-To: shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)

>
>   Last weekend my pilot chute got very close to getting into nose of the 
>   center cell. I've seen two people land these. I seem to recall the opinion
>   here was cut that away (?), is that generally a good idea? I was a bit
>   concerned about it, because I couldn't get it to move for awhile, and I
>   didn't want it to get in there at 1,000' and cause a problem. I finally 
>   got it to go away by sahaying somewhat vigorously. Is there a better way?
>

I had my pilot chute went around the nose a couple of times.  First
when I was a student, which I didn't notice until down to 500 feet or
so.  Not much of a choice and landed fine.  The other time, I had a
minor wrap doing CRW, and when I span out of it, pilot chute ended up
going around the center cell.  When we got back to a plane after that,
my friend, who I was docked to, noticed the pilot chute, and he pulled
it out and cleared it for me.  So next time, dock somebody and ask for
clearing it :-)

	Hiroto
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From: dave@lynx.mn.org (David Messer)
Subject: Re: High birds?
Organization: Lynx Data Systems
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 11:00:05 GMT

In article <1aog3nINNepe@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John) writes:
 >
 >  Someone said they thought they hiyt a bird at 3500 feet... what you a
 >  bird be doing flying that high? I mean it seems like a waste of
 >  energy. Anyone up on bird behavior? Do they really fly that high?

Migrating birds fly up to ~10,000 feet or so.  Soaring birds, such
as vultures, can easily get up to 3500 feet on a typical days flight.
I don't think many song-birds will be found that high though.
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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Night Jumps/Misc.
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:07:18 GMT

 (tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu) wrote:
: I'm interested in hearing anyone's night jump stories.

Ahhh... night jumps.  Too few and too far in between.

My last night jump was only about a month ago.  It was out of a
C185, doing 5-way RW.  We took a 3-way piece off the strut while
4 and 5 (me) flew in.  [I think I posted a short piece about it.]

It was way cool looking down at the formation spotting them and
flying into them.  I was moving way fast when I reached them
because I had misjudged their distance away from me.  I had to
hit the brakes way hard to prevent myself from tak'n them way out.

Only sorry note about this dive is that I smashed the hell out
of my leg.  I was so excited to get out of the plane that I careened
off the bottom of the door frame.  For about 10 seconds after I left
the plane all I could think was that I smashed the bone up [you know
it was a hard bang, if you even *feel* your body smashing on exit].
It was like two people, one was feeling pain and the other was flying.

The landing was pretty hard too, but my cloud is getting so porous
nowadays that they're all pretty hard.  My misjudgement of distance
helped too.  [sabre is on order, yahoo!]

Our openings were staged at a few hundred feet difference (about 2
seconds apart).  We all followed a pre-specified flight plan so that
no one would bump into any body else under canopy.  This wasn't all
that necessary because it was so bright out.  As soon as the sun set,
we all donned sun-glasses to make it really dark.

Even though the moon was quite bright, we all had small lights
taped to our wrists for canopy checks.  Didn't even need them.
We all had cylume sticks stuck to various parts of bodies.  I had
one on my leg so that it would be visible from the ground (and they
are) and one on my helmet so that I could see my wrist mount when
it was in front of me (also so it'd be easy for the other jumpers
to see me coming down at them).  One of the fellows had a *big*
cylume stick, about 2 feet long attached to his chest for easy
ground viewing.  I also have one of those "night-lites" for your
altimeter.  It made life really easy.

I can't wait for the next night jump.  The problem is, it's too
cold in the winter, who wants to wait until 11pm during the summer
and there's only so few full moons during spring and autumn in
which it's not raining, too windy or fall during the weekend.
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Malfunction Rate Poll (was: RE: number of jumps)
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:36:30 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu:mark@virt

 r> : canopies (strato star and old 7 cells) using packing methods including
 r> : free-packing (no bag or line stows!),  or just no line stows.

 r> A fella I used to know jumped one of these.  I believe it's nickname
 r> was the "coil of death."

 r> Quite colorful, don't you think?

Yep.  I also don't stow them.  But I don't use the "coil of death" either, I figure 8 them.



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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Jump Number Statistics
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:54:20 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu:mark@virt

 r> Here's the list that I've seen so far as of 02-oct-92...  From now
 r> on, don't email stats to paul fries (as per him);  you may continue
 r> to post or email to Mark Smith (me) at mark@vti.com.  Let me know if
 r> I've made a mistake someplace.

I don't see my name here, so here it is again...


 r>                     ROUNDS              SQUARES             AAD
 r>     HANDLE      #JUMPS   #MAL      #JUMPS    #MAL      SAVES    #MAL
 r>     ------      ------   ----      ------    ----      -----    ----

        Bill C        50      0         2200      0         


 r> This list also reads as a who's who on rec.skydiving!

 r> HANDLE   INTERNET ADDRESS                             FULL NAME

     ???     Beats me, probably something like            Bill Caefer
             Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org



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From: dzimm@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Dave Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull
Organization: Complete lack of
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:47:08 GMT

             rounds             squares		AAD
         #rides    #mal     #jumps    #mal   saves   mals

 dzimm    4         0          81      1       0      2


Only 1 round ride was the main,
2 were AAD early firings (fired as main opens, two good chutes...)
	It was the same AAD each time, after the second time the owner
        agreed it might be out of adjustment.
1 was an intentional reserve deployment
      (the pilot flipped over one side of the nose (XL Cloud), collapsed
       two cells of the main and started a nasty spin, I cut away...)

Blue Skies

David Zimmerman (A-12618)           dzimm@emerald.tc.cornell.edu
From: john@aeshq.UUCP (john)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: skydiving
Keywords: skydive
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:11:35 GMT
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

I would like to subscribe to publications dealing with skydiving.
On the network, "Skydiving" was mentioned often. Are there any 
others of note? Would appreciate address/tel/fax of these mags.
                                              
                                             Thanks.
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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Skydiving Video's
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:37:50 GMT

Does any one out there know of any really good VHS
videos' for rent or purchase...? Found one the other
day at Blockbuster Video that was pretty lame...

Am interested in a little instructional possibly as 
well as basic excitement.


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