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From:         "Sam Edelman, Ph.D." <SEDELMAN@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Farewell
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Nancy, from one Yiddlach to another I'll miss your commentary.  Goodbye and
good wishes to you. Sam Edelman
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Subject:      RE: Experiential Learning

ToolBook runs with Windows 3.0 and you can update to ToolBook 1.53 for Windows
3.1

***************
James Obielodan
Computer Lab
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824
(517) 355-4500
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Subject:      RE: Experiential Learning

What system does tool book operate under.
Harold Vann
HAVANN@UNMB rswork
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Date: 10 Apr 92 18:32:13 GMT
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I got a total of 9 responses to my questions regarding publications.
Only one indicated that the Master Index and Glossary (separate
publication) is used.  There was definite interest in having the
information, but in the back of either the Language Reference or
Programming Guide or both.

The question of which syntax diagram was preferred was quite evenly
divided between the current VS FORTRAN braces and brackets style
and "I do not care".  One response for "railroad track".

Thanks again for the responses.

Regards,
  Karen Barney
  IBM Fortran
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:36:52 EDT
From:         Jay Cummings <JCUMMING@BINGTJW.BITNET>
Subject:      FORTRAN vectorization transformations

   Folks, hope someone can help me with this one. Last message I sent to
this list, I got no responses to. If you can help, please mail me directly,
as I am not currently on this list. Send to me at either

   JCUMMING@BINGTJW.BITNET   or
   JCUMMING@BINGTJW.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU

   THanks in advance for any help! :-)
   Now, for the question; does anyone know where I can find a detailed
listing of exactly what transformations the vectorizing FORTRAN compiler
makes to the source code, when it vectorizes?? I want, if possible, something
that shows me original source code, and resulting code after vectorization,
for every (if possible) type of vectorizing transformation the compiler does.
   IS there any such thing? If so, where? IBM manuals? I checked the standard
VSFORTRAN manuals, and did not find much. Other books? Any info on this
would be extremely helpful!!
   Thanks again, and remember, I am not on this list, so please send responses
directly to me!!
                                         - John Cummings
                                           State University of New York
                                             at Binghamton
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:58:59 CDT
From:         Ladonna Hageman <LADONNA@SDNET.BITNET>
Subject:      question on F format

I have VS Fortran 1.4.0 installed on a VM/SP 5 operating system.  An
instructor has asked me to clarify why Fortran is inconsistantly rounding.
Here is the code the instructor is using:

      INTEGER*4 SCORES(8), SUM(8), N, IDX, GTOT
*     DATA SUM / 8 * 0 /, N / 0 /, GTOT / 0 /
*
* NOTE:  ERROR-DEMONSTRATING DATA INSERTED DIRECTLY
*
      DATA SUM / 3483, 3542, 3010, 3302, 2642, 3542, 3038, 3520 /,
     *     GTOT / 26079 /, N / 40 /
*
      IF (N .NE. 0) GOTO 20
   10 READ (1,'(34X,8I4)',END=20) SCORES
         N = N + 1
         DO 15 IDX = 1, 8
            GTOT = GTOT + SCORES(IDX)
   15       SUM(IDX) = SUM(IDX) + SCORES(IDX)
      GO TO 10
   20 CONTINUE
      WRITE (2, *) 'TOTALS BUILT:'
      WRITE (2,100) SUM, GTOT
      WRITE (2, *) 'AVERAGES AS REPORTED --- REAL(SUM)/N'
      WRITE (2,110) (REAL(SUM(IDX))/N, IDX = 1, 8),
     2                     REAL(GTOT)/8/N
      WRITE (2, *) 'SUM*10000 / N'
      WRITE (2,100) (SUM(IDX)*10000/N,IDX=1,8),10000*GTOT/8/N
  100 FORMAT (9I7)
  110 FORMAT (9F7.1)
*
* RESULTS OF AN IBM RUN FOLLOW:
*
* TOTALS BUILT:
*   3483   3542   3010   3302   2642   3542   3038   3520  26079
* AVERAGES AS REPORTED --- REAL(SUM)/N
*   87.1   88.5   75.3   82.5   66.0   88.5   75.9   88.0   81.5
* SUM*10000 / N
* 870750 885500 752500 825500 660500 885500 759500 880000 814968


I'm not experienced in Fortran... would anyone have any answers
as to why results of 885500 are 88.5 when
                     752500 rounds to 75.3?

I'm not on this listserv so please send any comments directly to:
LADONNA@SDNET.BITNET

THANKS!!!
Ladonna Hageman
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:14:14 PDT
From:         Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: question on F format

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:58:59 CDT, Ladonna Hageman <Ladonna@SDNET> wrote:
>I have VS Fortran 1.4.0 installed on a VM/SP 5 operating system.  An
>instructor has asked me to clarify why Fortran is inconsistantly rounding.
>
There's nothing inconsistent about the output.

The problem is that the expression 'REAL(3542)/40' is **exactly** 88.55 only
when you use a base-10 computer (CASIO CP-801C, retail value $9.99 (in 1976)).
(Rounded to one decimal place, it's '88.6')

On a base-2 computer, e.g. an IBM using 'REAL*4' precision,
the result is '88.54999'.
When you round this latter number to one decimal-place, it is '88.5',
which matches the output from FORTRAN.
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From:         Rogelio Montanana <MONTANAN@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Subject:      Problems with VAST-2

In June 1911 I reported a problem to IBM related to VAST-2. The problem
appeared when trying to process the know LINPACK benchmark program with VAST-2.
It turned out to be produced because VAST-2 erroneously identified
some code as an ESSL routine and replaced it with a subroutine call.
At that time (June-July 1991) IBM opened an APAR about this problem.

In October 1991 Walter Reichenbaecher discovered the same problem and asked to
this list if it should be reported as a bug in the product; Karen Barney
said that it was a valid bug and should be reported. About two weeks later
Karen said in this list that the problem was corrected and that it would be
distributed by the normal channels.

Since then I have been waiting for the tape with the fixes, but didn't receive
anything. I have asked frequently to my IBM representative, but it seems that
there is still no new tape for VAST-2. In the meantime I have discovered
several other bugs in VAST-2, but have not reported them waiting for the
new tape. I have not made VAST-2 available to my users because I don't consider
the product reliable enough. I am worried about this situation because I
insisted to my boss to buy VAST-2 because it was supposed to be a good product;
it is becoming difficult to me trying to explain him that VAST-2 was not a
waste
of money.

I am interested in knowing if other sites are in the same situation, if they
have made VAST-2 available to the users, if they have received any update tape
in the last year or so, etc.

The VAST-2 tape that I have corresponds to Release 2 Modification 0, and the
production date (as it appears in the label) is April 25th 1991.

Rogelio Montanana, System Analyst Tel:(346)3864310/311/312/700 Fax:(346)3864200
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:10:10 PDT
From:         Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: FORTRAN vectorization transformations

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:36:52 EDT, Jay Cummings <JCumming@BingTJW> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a detailed listing
> of exactly what transformations the vectorizing FORTRAN compiler
> makes to the source code, when it vectorizes?? I want, if possible, something
> that shows me original source code, and resulting code after vectorization,
> for every (if possible) type of vectorizing transformation the compiler does.
> Is there any such thing? If so, where? IBM manuals? I checked the standard
> VS FORTRAN manuals, and did not find much. Other books?
>
Chapter 9 of the "VS Fortran Version 2 Programming Guide, Release 3"
gives 42(!) pages of information, including a section titled "Printing Reports"
which describes the output generated by the VECTOR(REPORT(XLIST)) option.
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Organization: Universal Analytics, Inc., Torrance (LA), CA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 16:42:30 GMT

In article <VFORT-L%92041014491611@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>
KAREN@STLVM24.VNET.IBM.COM (Karen R. Barney) writes:

   The question of which syntax diagram was preferred was quite evenly
   divided between the current VS FORTRAN braces and brackets style
   and "I do not care".  One response for "railroad track".

Is there a better term for the latter?     ==============

I've always wondered what they're "really" called.  I know it worked
well for the original Pascal Report, but I always wondered what the
"proper" name for this diagramming method is.

Oh, "I do not care" either.  Once one struggles to learn them all,
what difference does it make?  You probably would get a better
response from students in a first- or second-year programming course
(what, sixth grade these days? :-), because they probably still
remember which they found the easiest to understand.$$
-- 
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Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 01:48:10 EDT
From: Eric Hvozda <ESH101@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: MVS and VM readable tapes (yes again :-( )

I lost the article!  Ugh

What is the best way to write MVS readable tapes from VM?  Is this a pipe
dream?  Or should I just write them on MVS?  I seem to remember someone
mentioning IEHMOVE, but I am told now that it's a MVS only thing.


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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:41:15 CDT
From:         Christian.J.Reichetzeder@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT
Subject:      Re: PIPE Dreams?

On Mon, 6 Apr 92 14:33:00 PDT Leonard D Woren said:
>                [......]               , they mentioned that CMS PIPES
>runs on TSO.  Go to your PIPES maint disk and run the PIPGMOD exec.
>Ship the resulting object deck over to MVS and linkedit it.  You now
>have PIPES, but without any help and without any support.  [.......]
>                                  Now, what can I use it for?
The Memo for 5785RAC/5799DKF mentions GCS and MVS as unsupported environments:
"CMS Pipelines works in part on GCS and MVS; it may also work on other systems
that provide an OS-simulation interface."
Now "unsupported"  is not as bad  as it may seem  and then - what  software is
guaranteed to run at all ;-)?  Pipes use standard interfaces and can't perform
better than  these and you  have to live  with the imposed  restrictions (REXX
environments accessed  by IKJCT441; QSAM;  COMMAND not trapping output  and so
on). Pipes depend on how REXX  environments are integrated and there's still a
lot to  wish though I don't  know about MVS  4. I've succesfully run  Pipes on
3.1.3, QSAM is fast, "Pipe literal Hello World|cons" really says "Hello World"
More discussion on CMSPIP-L (MARIST and AWIIMC12) perhaps.

Christian
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:26:00 EDT
From:         Phil Rengert <PHIL@UORMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PL/I and getmains

> 1.) How can you tell PL/I to generate all getmains so that storage is
>     always gotten above the line ?
I think that the ISA is always gotten below the line.  HEAP storage will come
from above the line if your HEAP option permits it and the program is linked
RMODE(ANY) (or something like that).

-Phil Rengert                                                           o
University of Rochester
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:09:19 EST
From:         Francois Pare <$000@MUSIC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:      AF REMOTE

We are going to direct all our mainframe consoles into an AF REMOTE
application that runs on a PS2. Since we intend to route two MVS
consoles, one VM console, two VAX consoles and a CONVEX console, I
ask myself what PS2 model will be suitable to handle this kind of
application. Is there someone that can give me some capacity planning
advices about the right PS2 model we need ?

Thank you.

Francois Pare
Laval University
Ste-Foy (Que) Canada
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From:         "Stephen E. Bacher" <seb1525@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: MVS screen clearing, once and for all
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On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:32:08 BST "A. Grant"
<AG129@UK.AC.CAMBRIDGE.PHOENIX.draper.com> wrote:

>I work on the assumption that
>(1) if output since the last user input (linemode TSO output, TPUTs from
>    other users, etc.) is to be thrown away, use

That is almost never a valid assumption.  By definition the user (or the
programmer) has no way of knowing what output is being thrown away - it
could be a broadcast message announcing a fire in the building.

>         STLINENO LINE=1,MODE=OFF
>(2) if such output is to be held until ENTER is pressed, use
>         STFSMODE ON,INITIAL=YES
>         TPUT  =X'110000133C000000',8,FULLSCR,,HOLD
>         STFSMODE OFF
>         TCLEARQ INPUT
>Is this sufficient?  (I have seen it asserted that the first three lines
>of option (2) reduce to option (1), but the effects are observably
>different.  I have also seen both (1) and (2) asserted as the "correct
>way".  So there are at least two ways...)

I think STLINENO LINE=1 is not sufficient to insure that the screen
gets cleared before full screen mode is turned off - that's why the
TPUT with HOLD.  Maybe specifying LINE=1 and MODE=OFF together solves
that problem - I haven't tried it.

The TPUT as coded will not work.  It may not even assemble, depending
on your level of TPUT macro:  you will probably have to code a DC with
a label and reference that label.  But the first byte of a FULLSCR TPUT
string must be either a valid 3270 WCC or a hex 27 + command code + WCC.
A WCC of hex 40 is good enough - that's your basic vanilla output.
Also, the buffer address associated with the hex 11 (SBA) and hex 3C
(repeat to address) orders is shown here as 0000.  This may work, but
it is better to use the standard 4040.  In general, 3270 data stream
bytes (other than data stream order commands) can have the leftmost
2 bits set to render the bytes "printable" EBCDIC characters.

In sum:
          TPUT  CLRSTR,L'CLRSTR,FULLSCR,,HOLD
CLRSTR    DC    X'40114040133C404000'

>This question comes up every
>so often; it would be nice to get a definitive and comprehensive answer.

I thought mine was definitive when I posted it, but it turned out not
to be... :-)

 - SEB
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From:         Gregory Plucinski 257239 <GRZES@PLWATU22.BITNET>
Subject: Re: MVS Jobname Conventions

 SDSF is Customizable
 in CSECT ISFPARMS you can define selection criteria
 of jobs you can use (browse, cancel, change parms, e.t.c.)
 it is not nessesery to jobname be userid+character
 it can be any name

Gregory
------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

>  >I realize that in the past, many TSO shops have required all jobs
>  >submitted via TSO to have a jobname consisting of the userid plus 1
>  >character. Much of the default security in TSO and SDSF still seems to
>  >follow this convention. We have had a few complaints, and will probably
>  >have more, from new TSO users who have not had this restriction under
>  >CMS, and don't like it under TSO.
>  >What are other TSO/SDSF shops doing out there?  Are you still requiring
>  >jobs to be the userid plus 1 character? If not, how are you identifying
>  >the "owner" of a job to determine who is allowed to view/print/delete
>  >it?
>
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From:         "Stephen E. Bacher" <seb1525@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: COBOL
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At least one proposed definition of the minimal requirements for
something to be considered a programming language excludes COBOL.

Since COBOL does not have function calls or programmer-definable
functions, it is not a "programming language".  Procedures don't
count, because they don't return values.

If COBOL is not maintainable, this is probably the main reason.

 - SEB
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:38:00 EDT
From:         "Dudley, Lorne" <DUDLEY2@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
Subject:      MVS Jobnames and RACF / TSO OUTPUT and CANCEL

Hi Walt Farrel

I saw your reply on the IBM-MAIN or JES2-L list concerning the ability
of TSO/E to use OUTPUT and CANCEL commands without Userid restriction.
Do you have a short script as to what I would have to do to get TSO/E
running in that mode,  or some manual  page references that will explain
what to do in reasonably understandable terms ? We have TSO/E here under
ESA 4.2.0 but it is not used extensively by our user population.
(Primarily a CICS shop).  Only Systems types like myself get to use TSO,
and only infrequently.  I would find it handy to access any JES spool
file that I was authorized to see via TSO.

                                     Thanks

                                     Lorne Dudley
                                     Queen's University at Kingston
                                     C A N A D A
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:53:00 EDT
From:         "Dudley, Lorne" <DUDLEY2@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
Subject: IBM History -- ASP

Attached Support Processor  may be linked with Cornell University.

The Canadian Data Processing Service Bureau, in Ottawa, back around
1967 or 1968  visited Cornell to look at ASP.

CDPSB than looked into the idea of developing CLASP (Close Linked ASP)
to run on a single 360 machine.  I do not know whether CLASP ever made
it to a production version.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:40:27 EDT
From:         Mel Brinkley <MBRINKLE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      COBOL
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On 2 April 1992, a message appeared on this list which was very critical
of COBOL.  Everyone has his/her opinion, but the following might be
considered.
   Programs written in the academic world - when they are written - really
produce nothing except to fulfill the one time gratification of the
programmer.  Therefore, cutsy languages such as C can be written to
accomplish a great deal in relatively few lines of code.  Of course, one
would have a hard time analyzing the program - even the programmer after a
while.
   Interestingly, the message indicated a problem occurred in a production
job.  That is the key.  Academic wizards should realize that persons
responsible for programs that produce something don't really care how
wordy the program code might be.  The real world is more interested in
getting stock picking tickets, bank statements, etc. produced.
   COBOL can be largely self documenting and anyone who is to be responsible
for maintaining thousands of lines of code written by someone else will be
grateful if it is written in COBOL.

So, please give old COBOL and we users a break.  COBOL has been around for
about 32 years and will probably outlast its critics
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From:         "Stephen E. Bacher" <seb1525@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: User interface under TSO
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On Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:47:00 PDT Leonard D Woren
<LDW%USCMVSA.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> wrote:

>                         my gripe is specifically that the terminal
>name is not available to a problem program.

If you have ACF2, you can get the terminal name from the ACFASVT for
the TSO user.  Of course, this requires code to search the subsystem
table for the ACF2 subsystem and index into the ACFASVT, etc., etc.

 - Batchperson
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