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From: dimitri@cui.unige.ch (Dimitri Konstantas)
Subject: Re: How Turks view Democracy
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:22:47 GMT


In article <BvGorF.GIt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> you write:
>hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:
>
>>            + Here is the explanation: If you're a muslim,Turk
>>            + and you have  a own house that's falling apart- to
>>            + repair your own house you'll have to have a permit
>>            + from the athourities nearby. If you don't have a permit
>>            + you must go to the court! If you don't believe this ask
>>            + these muslims living in Greece.
>>            
>     This is your imagination.  You have been reading too much M.U.T.L.U.
>     in the network.  Limit your imagination.

Well Hilmi Eren exaggerates a bit.
The truth is that until some time ago (3 or 4 years) the Greek
administration was creating administrative problems to the muslims living
in Thrace. That is, long delays in replying to applications (like
restoration of houses), a bit of exaggeration on the papers needed for an
application (even without it the Greek administration is unique in asking
any type of useless certificate for trivial cases), strict interpretation
of the law etc.
Nevertheless this was in reply to the Turkish laws governing the property
of the Greek origin Turkish citizens. (like the secrete decree that Greek
origin citizens can not inherit the property of their parents,
the prohibition of the restoration of the Patriarchate etc.)

Today the administration no longer creates any problems to Muslim Greeks as
an effort for good will to the Greek-Turkish relations. Nevetheless the
Greek origin Turkish citizens still try to get back their property.
(May God and Allah help them!)

dimitri

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From: "anastasios zivontsis" <anastasios.zivontsis@canrem.com>
Subject: macedonian  flag
Reply-To: "anastasios zivontsis" <anastasios.zivontsis@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:34:28 EST

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.

Earlier this week, Cambridge City Hall agreed (vote 9 to 1) to raise and
fly the Macedonian Flag in recognition and support of their Macedonian
community.
Arrangements were made to raise the flag on Saturday, October 3rd,
however, life threatening telephone calls were received by several
members of the Cambridge Council and the flagraising has since been
postponed pending police investigation.
It seems to me that the Greeks in Canada and in Greece have a lot to
learn about "HUMAN RIGHTS".

                           Mike............Toronto


MAKEDONSKO ZNAME VECNO KE SE VE-E, MAKEDONSKA HIMNA VO SOLUN KE SE PE-E.
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From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Dividing Macedonia
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:34:31 GMT
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In article <5774.3244.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:
>
> Impossible. First of all, in its 170-year history as a modern state,
>Greek troops have never entered an region that was not predominately
>Greek (except perhaps Italy in 1945 and Korea in 1950, but that was very
>different). 

All four of my grandparents would very strongly beg to differ.

Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
From: cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: IRA-OSE, British behavior, and a "clean sheet for Paeonia"
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:46:01 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <1992Sep29.042342.23857@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, by dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS):
> In article <1992Sep28.112425.90215@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, phs265y@vaxc.cc.monas
> h.edu.au writes:
>>In article <Bv343H.Mx@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)

[lots of deletions]
> 
> Too much to expect... of course Mr. Fear is not going to change his mind.
> British bans of the IRA are just fine, but Greek bans of the even more
> radical OSE are violations of human rights! 

Banning an organisation which thinks that blowing up babies in prams is
a really smart way of making a political point is hardly unreasonable.
Are you sayng that OSE is doing this in Greece? In the UK, you can
advocate a united Ireland in perfect safety - and several prominent
non-Irish politicians do so. 

[most of the rest is personal vilfication of an individual for
committing the crime of disagreeing with you; its not worth an answer -
though young Fear will undoubtedly rise to the bait!]
> 
> Dimitris Kouvatsos
> -- 
> ------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
> += Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
> <dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
> ------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle

Richard Wallace
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: How Turks view Democracy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:23:37 GMT

hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:

>Yannis Schoinas (schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu) wrote:
>: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:
>: 
>: >    + 1) The Muslim minority in Greece are not allowed to *REPAIR*
>: >         their property. Not only the Turks but all muslims.


>:            Well, I would like an explanation on this. What do you mean
>:            they are not allowed to repair their property?


>            + Here is the explanation: If you're a muslim,Turk
>            + and you have  a own house that's falling apart- to
>            + repair your own house you'll have to have a permit
>            + from the athourities nearby. If you don't have a permit
>            + you must go to the court! If you don't believe this ask
>            + these muslims living in Greece.
>            
     This is your imagination.  You have been reading too much M.U.T.L.U.
     in the network.  Limit your imagination.

>+Hilmi Eren

 Panos Tamamidis
From: kmurali2@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Looking for E-mail ads.
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:59:27 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

X-NEWS: uoft02 soc.culture.british: 25906
From: kmurali2@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Looking for E-mail ads.
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:56:50 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Hi Netters,

Excuse me for posting this request here. I am looking for the e-mail 
address of the following personals.

       (1)	A.S.Lewis
       (2)	G.Knowles
	Both of them are with the Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Imperial 
college of Science & TEchnolgy, London, SW72BB, UK

*****************************************************************************
      (3) 	S.Yao
      (4)       R.J.Clarke
	Both of them are with the Dept. of Electrical & Elctronic Engineering
Heriot - Watt University, 31-35 Grassmarket , Edinburgh, EH1 2HT, Scotland, UK
	
Pleae send me the e-mail.

thank you,
Murali.k
				
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: macedonian flag
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:26:57 GMT

"anastasios zivontsis" <anastasios.zivontsis@canrem.com> writes:

>Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.

>Earlier this week, Cambridge City Hall agreed (vote 9 to 1) to raise and
>fly the Macedonian Flag in recognition and support of their Macedonian
>community.
>Arrangements were made to raise the flag on Saturday, October 3rd,
>however, life threatening telephone calls were received by several
>members of the Cambridge Council and the flagraising has since been
>postponed pending police investigation.
>It seems to me that the Greeks in Canada and in Greece have a lot to
>learn about "HUMAN RIGHTS".

>                           Mike............Toronto

 You dare to call the emblym of ancient Macedonians "the Macedonian Flag?"
 This is outrageous.

 The outrageous creation of this flag by the followers of Tito's communist 
 propaganda machine, should not be used as a symbol of your state.

 Find another symbol, and stop falsifing simple historical facts, and stop
 provoking your peacefull Greek neighbors.

 For those who do not know what's special about this flag: this flag depicts
 the so called Vergina's star, which was the emblym of ancient Macedonians,
 who were Greeks.  This star is unique in its design (i.e. it does not
 resemble any of the stars used in any other flag).

 The use of this star by the state of Skopje as the symbol of their state
 is outrageous, since they do not have anything to do with Macedonians.
 The so called Macedonian nation is an artificial creation of communist Tito,
 and it does not exist. None of the neighbors of the state of Skopje 
 admit the existense of such a nation.


>MAKEDONSKO ZNAME VECNO KE SE VE-E, MAKEDONSKA HIMNA VO SOLUN KE SE PE-E.

 Panos Tamamidis
 A Macedonian from Macedonia
 M A C E D O N I A   I S   G R E E K
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From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 26 Sep 92 09:14:44 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <10899@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, by sandee@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee):
> 
> We will forgive your ignorance, as we forgive those who trespass against
>  .... oops, turned to the wrong page. Anyway, it's from the bible, at the
> very end, in the Apocalypse,

Sure is, chapter 13 which I always thought rather symbolic

> which you always thought was a rock group.


Shouldn't the discussion centre around the earlier works of Iron Maiden
here, there were only three good tracks on this album IMHO.

> "And the number of the Beast is 666,

But what about the textual variant 616? Beware for the arch-fiend is
cunning.

Andy


BTW A couple of months ago a friend sent me a leaflet he'd been given in
Oxford with the Common Market = the Anti-Christ argument, however what
was novel was that it was combined with the bar code argument. For those
who don't know the argument runs as follows. A bar code has three sets
of two projecting lines (this is true, check it) each of these lines has
the value of three, hence we have 666. Therefore the bar code is the
mark of the beast as predicted in the Apocalypse. Obvious when you think
about it...
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 01 OCT, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 07:54:37 -0500
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SLOVAK PRIME MINISTER ON ARMY, FOREIGN RELATIONS.  Vladimir Meciar
told the Slovak Press Agency on 30 September that Slovakia will
establish its own ministry of defense.  Meciar also said that,
with the exception of Hungary, Slovakia's relations with other
countries are good. He argued that the relations with Hungary
could improve but that, like Slovakia, Hungary must take steps in
that direction.  The Slovak premier further said that he was
unhappy about a letter which he received on 30 September from
Hungarian Prime Minister Antall in which, in Meciar's words,
"Antall accused Slovakia of violating Hungary's borders and
threatening Hungary's sovereignty." Meciar also defended the
performance of his government during the first 100 days in office
against sharp criticism from opposition parties.  (Jiri Pehe,
RFE/RL Inc.)
 
HUNGARIAN DEMOCRATIC FORUM POSTPONES CONVENTION.  According to
MTI, the ruling party will hold its fourth national meeting at the
end of January and not at the end of November as planned.  The
presidium of the party denied that the meeting was postponed for
political reasons--i.e., because of the controversy surrounding
the pamphlet written by one of the forum's vice presidents, Istvan
Csurka.  Rather, they say, more time is needed to concentrate on
parliamentary work. (Judith Pataki, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
HUNGARIAN BUDGET SENT TO PARLIAMENT. On 30 September, Finance
Minister Mihaly Kupa presented next year's budget to the
parliament.  A deficit of 180-185 billion forint is anticipated.
Kupa said two items are expected to spark debate: the introduction
of a double-level value-added tax system and a change in the
distribution of tax revenues between national and the local
governments. Until now, this income was divided equally, but now
local governments are to receive only 30% .  Kupa said the new tax
law is also ready to be sent to parliament. (Judith Pataki, RFE/RL
Inc.)

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From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 02 OCT, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:19:26 -0500
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HUNGARIAN PROSECUTOR REFUSES TO INVESTIGATE 1956 KILLINGS.  The
head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Gyor, Gyula Varadi,
says that the killings did not constitute war crimes and after 15
years, in 1971, fell under the statute of limitations. Members of
the Christian Democratic People's Party initiated proceedings
against those who ordered soldiers to fire into a crowd at
Mosonmagyarovar during the 1956 revolution.  Some 100 died and 200
were injured.  A CDPP representative says that he will appeal the
decision.  Defense Minister Lajos Fur commented that the killings
should be considered war crimes and called it "unacceptable to
close a case involving mass murder even if it took place 36 years
ago," MTI reported on 1 October. (Edith Oltay, RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: RAID 7 Systems Now in Hungary
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:56:18 EST

Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. is currently showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September International VINES
User Meeting.  SCSI-based, they work equally well with NetWare, workstations,
IBM systems, VAXes, etc.  I found out that Storage Computer has just opened
up its new European headquarters in Frankfurt.  The telephone there is
(49) 6917-2145.  The FAX is (49) 6917-2149.  They are handling their Hungary
operations out of Frankfurt at the moment, so it is not necessary to
call Storage Computer headquarters in the U.S.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations
and midrange systems in addition to IBM's.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to
same disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.  The
drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

There was a lot of activity this week at the Storage Computer RAID 7 booth
at the Boston Banyan show as I walked by.  They were demoing what happens if
a drive goes down, showing the backup drive taking over.

For further information on Storage Computer's RAID 7 for any system, their
key US contact is indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical
Services at Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.  John is the original

"guru" of the RAID 7 advances, and a well-known RAID industry figure.

Cheers! ------- Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
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Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 05 OCT, 1992 (excerpts)
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HUNGARY TO RESTORE NAGYMAROS LANDSCAPE. The Hungarian government
approved a plan to restore the landscape at Nagymaros, the
Hungarian section of the joint Hungarian-Czechoslovak
Gabcikovo-Nagymaros hydroelectric power project, MTI reports. If
parliament votes to accept the plan in the coming weeks, work on
restoring the landscape can begin next spring and is expected to
take two and a half years. The major work involves removing the
dam, filling the Danube river bed, and making the river navigable.
Costs are estimated at over 7 billion forint.  State Secretary in
the Ministry of Transportation, Communications, and Water
Conservation Zsolt Rajkai said that normal operations of the
Gabcikovo dam on the Slovak side should not cause problems, but a
peak operation raises the danger of flooding for both sides.
Hungary started construction at Nagymaros in 1977 but pulled out
of the joint project in 1989 because of environmental concerns.
(Edith Oltay, RFE/RL, Inc.)

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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: agora-scmpost rfe/rl dail
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:29:03 EST

    Zoli, I'm sorry to bother you, but as you've been posting these
reports, I decided to take my chance.

    I'm trying to put together a political thriller set in Eastern
Europe. I've done quite a lot of research, but a substantial part of it
became outdated with the fall of the communist regimes in the region, &
the changes are too new to have any reliable book about them as of yet.

    Anyhow, I'd really appreciate if you could give me the new name of
the Hungarian intelligence service (magyarul, termeszetesen) & any
additional information (head of the service, perhaps its structure, etc)
that you might have. Unfortunately the domestic papers still retained
their good habit of not publishing any substantial information about
such subjects (even Top Gun is putting out articles that are missing
just about any relevant fact one would be interested in other than what
X colonel had for breakfast before he went to the unspecified army base
near the unspecified city to visit the unspecified army unit)...

    Sorry for bothering you with such an inappropriate request, again,
but I really have no one to turn to.

   Thanks again, & take care

   Robert David Winkler
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From: dfrankow@unity.cs.umn.edu (Dan Frankowski)
Subject: Re: AGORA-SCMPOST Re:<1066> English teaching in Hungary?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:41:14 GMT

In <1992Oct1.195128.22505@news.yale.edu> (J Klein) writes:

>> Please post info. re: English teaching in Hungary, as others
>> would benefit from it. In fact, Hungary itself would benefit..

>I am also looking to spend time in Hungary, quite possibly to teach
>English; any info aimed my way would be greatly appreciated.

Me too.

Dan
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke)
Subject: Re: Dictionary
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:17:13 GMT

In article <1aq156INNbfa@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE>, zoltan@risc3.mi.Uni-Koeln.DE (Zoltan Sekeres) writes:
|> 
|> Hi folks,
|> [stuff deleted]
|> again. I am still in the phase of a beginner, but what would really
|> help me, is a 
|> 
|>       HUNGARIAN DICTIONARY as a FILE,
|> 
|> because for me as a programmer it is ridiculous to look up every 
|> single hungarian word in book, while I am used to get every help
|> I need by one keystroke in an interactive environment.
|> 
|> Can anybody tell me where something like a collection of hungarian 
|> words and their translations into English or German is available by
|> FTP or can anybody mail me such a list. A vocabulary with a few 
|> thousands items should suffice.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance,
|> 
|>            Zoltan
I'm interested too! Please let me know if there is such a thing...

Frank

 
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