HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Kegel)
Subject: Re: fat people
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:03:12 GMT

ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry) writes:
>I still say that the people who say we shouldn't judge people by their
>size and that fat is beautiful are the fat people themselves,after all,they
>wouldn't put themselves down and we are all beautiful to ourselves.
>If they're happy with the way they look,the it's fine.To each his own,we 
>shouldn't try to force our own beliefs on other people and I'm not here,this
>is just my opinion.

Rob is saying: looks matter.  He is, of course, right.  It's just that
looks aren't the whole story.  Let's face it: you can be slim, young, rich,
beautiful, and boring, too.
( And please, no flames from the emotionally challenged. :-)
- Dan Kegel (dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov)

p.s.
freenet.edu?  Is that University of Freenet?  Cleveland Free University?
From: rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Beaches FAQ
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:37:34 GMT
	<s0otvINNda6@network.ucsd.edu>
	<1992Apr9.224238.12573@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Hughes Aircraft of Canada Limited, Calgary, AB
In-reply-to: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU's message of 9 Apr 92 22:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.224238.12573@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:

> Tom Middleton writes:
> >Perhaps a separate "Nude Beaches and Resorts FAQ" is in order.  It should
> >be short but could be used as a starters list.  Sandy Hook, Blacks Beach,
> >and Wreck Beach should all be on it.  Perhaps a popular Florida beach too.

>  And a dozen or so beaches in Northern California.

Don't forget Cranberry Flats, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.  This is a sandbar
in the middle of the South Saskatchewan river about 10K east of Saskatoon.
I preferred it to Wreck due to the absence of textiles selling me hash.


--
----------------
Richard Melville
Hughes Spatial Data Systems Division
"Get a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life." - me
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From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Florida Tourism Commission Members
Keywords: Florida, Tourism
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:51:55 GMT

Someone recently mentioned about asking travel agents, etc. about CO
opportunities when you book travel.  Well, here are some people to write in
the state of Florida.  All of these people are Florida Tourism Commission
members (there are a few others but I felt these were probably the best
ones for you to write).

If you write them asking about Florida CO opportunities (or voicing your
displeasure with the status of Florida CO opportunites, hint, hint :-),
please be cordial and polite.  Our cause is not helped by angering these
people or making them think that we are raving idiots.

Thanks, naturally,
  Steve

P.S.  If you write any of these people, could you snail-mail me a copy?
      Steve Pierce
      543 Australian Rd NW
      Palm Bay, FL 32907 USA
------------------------------------------------------------
Mr. John E. Evans                      Mr. Greg Farmer
President & Chief Executive Officer    Secretary
Florida Tourism Association            Florida Department of Commerce
901 Sunset Avenue                      107 West Gaines Street, Suite 536
Orange City, FL 32763                  Tallahassee, FL 32399-2000
(904) 774-5617                         (904) 488-3104
(904) 255-5478  FAX                    (904) 488-1612  FAX

Ms.  Sandra Higgs                      Mr. Merrett Stierheim
Admistrative Director                  Executive Director
The Florida Keys & Key West            Greater Miami Convention & Vistors Bureau
416 Fleming St, PO Box 866             701 Brickell Avenue
Key West, FL 33041                     Miami, FL 33131
(305) 296-2228                         (305) 539-3000
(305) 296-7613  FAX                    (305) 539-3113  FAX

Mr. Thomas A. Waits                    Honorable Lincoln Diaz-Balart
Executive Vice President               Senator, District 34
Florida Hotel-Motel Association        5040 Northwest 7th Street
PO Box 1529                            Suite 680
Tallahassee, FL 32302                  Miami, FL 33126
(904) 224-2888                         (305) 444-0188
(904) 222-3462  FAX                    (305) 442-6917  FAX

Honorable Alzo Reddick
Representative, District 40
725 South Goldwyn Avenue
Orlando, FL 32805-4099
(407) 293-5188
(407) 578-3191  FAX
-- 
===========================================
Steve Pierce             Palm Bay
steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us     Florida
===========================================
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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 05:00:20 GMT


In a previous article, alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) says:
>In article <35114@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph Mack) writes:
>
>Ralph, I love you too.  *hug*  Your philosophy is WONDERFUL.
>
>>Is this what you mean by letting oneself go:
>>
>>1) I like my job and it pays the mortgage
>>2) I like to eat - big breakfast and two dinners
>>3) I like to bask in the sun
>>4) I like to walk and swim because they feel good, can do both
>>   for hours without much discomfort, even if I've been inactive 
>>   for months - not unusual - but don't do either very fast.
>>5) The only time I have ever done any exercise was because it
>>   was a means to an end (mowing the lawn, fixing something, 
>>   moving) or because somebody forced me to (school gym, 
>>   yecccch!). 
>>6) I can't get too excited about objectives beyond the next 12 
>>   months; they assume you know something about the future.
>>7) I am accustomed to doing what I like.
>>8) I'm 32, and weigh 280.
> >
>>I seldom meet anyone that this attitude seems to particularly
>>bother, and I'm enjoying myself. Deliberate exercise and diet control "for my health" carries an element of asceticism about it, and I can't see that there is any virtue in self-denial.
>
>There is, I've found, a wide gap between what is "socially desired"
>and what is "healthy."  My senior year of high school, I had just
>dropped over 70 pounds.... I weighed 138, and I had read in a book, an
>a reputable one, that I was "supposed" to weight 115 (and that was
>assuming a large frame).  My mother and some friends tricked me into

I know what you mean (sort of).  My "ideal" or "socially desireable" 
weight is supposed to be 150 (5'10", small frame) and I do weigh 150, 
but I feel overwight.  I have more energy and generally feel better 
when I weigh about 135, or 15 pounds below my "ideal" weight.  I 
think those weight charts are bullsh!t.

>I listen* to my body.  
>I need to lose some weight now not because I don't fit society's
>picture of a woman, but because I would feel better if I did.  And
>I'll lose weight until a level where *I* feel good again, reguardless
>of what others think.  

This is precisely what I am trying to do.

>I think the "future" outlook is upheld a lot by the materialistic
>society we have.  The "future" is a new car, the "future" is a bigger
>house, the "future" is....  Forget the future, and live for TODAY and
>tomorrow... do so wisely and the "future" will take care of itself.  
>And if all you do is work for that "future" you'll pass up a lot of
>opportunities to make valuable memories. 

In other words, Carpe Diem!  Seize the day.  Live each day to the 
fullest.  Although it is sometimes hard to live for today, I think
it is the best way to live.

ObNude:  I can't think of anything other than I am nude as I type
these words.

Vivre nu.

Paul

-- 
fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
From: Rick.Lewis@f25.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nudity in the Mainstream
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:07:00 GMT

Two recent and favorable examples of mainstream publications
accepting advertising with references to nude/naturist opportunities.

First a recent Cosmopolitan ran ad for Hedonism resort with specific 
mention of "skinnydipping".

Second and more significantly, The Atlantic, a very old and very 
respected magazine in the May issue I just received contains an
ad for The Naturist Society of Oshkosh.  The ad offers the World
Guide for $24.95 postpaid  and a one hour video "The Beginners 
Guide to Skinnydipping" for $34.95.  or both for 52.95.  Both 
products are pictured, same photo on book and video box--a back view
of nude woman in flowing stream.   In additon to the ad, the magaine
offers a reply card for the Naturist Society and 8 other advertisers  
featured in a Summer Vacations section following page 92. (BTW 
the phone number is 1-414-426-5009, credit cards accepted.) 

I view this as a good trend--when a mainline publication offers space 
in a matter of fact way to The Naturisit Society. This along with 
sanctioned or "managed" nude areas at public beaches and parks 
bespeaks growing awareness that nude recreation is an acceptable
form of leisure activity and one with an economic impact.  

As others have mentioned here--inquiries to state and local tourism 
organizations about CO/nude recreation opportunities and support of
those
entities offering such facilities can help to legitimitize nude
recreation.   What say others?     Would be interested in learning
the response TNS receives from the Atlantic ad if anyone is in contact 
with the Oshkosh office. 





... rec.nude is CO/MR  Clothing Optional/Modem Required
 * Origin: Howard's Notebook * We Bare It All * (816) 331-5868 
(1:280/25.0)
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 05:20:59 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <52902@mimsy.umd.edu> jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski) writes:
-	...  I think the person I find distasteful is the
-"couch potato" type, someone who has no intrinsic problems, but simply
-
-	...the physical beauty of a well maintained body, 
-
-People change as their lives progress. If,
-in the case of weight, they fail to change their eating habits as their
-activity levels drop, they are being lazy. 
-
-I love going to a gathering and seeing folks playing tennis or swimming
-with well toned(and tanned:-) bodies.  Whether they are 16 or 60, it 
-is a great deal more pleasurable to my eye than someone chowing down
-on a chocolate eclaire who really doesn't need it.

I don't think anyone goes to a nudist/naturis resort to please your eye.
I've earned my right to be lazy and to be a couch potato if I so desire.
I enjoy eating.  I appreciate the mental beauty of any person who isn't
ashamed to be nude, irregardless of what their physique is.

-- 
	Thomas Earl Middleton
	middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu
	aka Happy Bare
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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: european beaches
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:56:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.824.5185@dosgate> "david fleming" <david.fleming@canrem.com> writes:
>        To keep this short, two places were notable. First, Cape
>        D'Edge (Cap-Dad) for full nudist, is a nudist town right
>        on the Mediteranian.  We were still a bit shy, so we went

I could be wrong, but I think you mean Cape d'Agde.  (Gee, even that
spelling doesn't look right now that I type it, but I'm sure it's closer.)
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: jamie@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (James R. Groves)
Subject: Chicago and Naturist Acyivities
 
Organization: Black Bag Midwest
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:48:38 GMT

I am interested to know if anyone has any info on any events/clubs/beaches
listed anywhere at any time for Chicago, or anywhere in Northern Illinois, or
Indiana, and if the Sunny???? Resort is good or not, has anyone visited it. I
am speaking of the place in Indiana. Anyway, mail, or post, either will work.
                                                         Me
jamie@sally.acns.nwu.edu    EVERYONE is nude under their clothes!!!!!!

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From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Re: Survey, Info, Etc.
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:06:27 GMT

jamison@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Jamie Gulden) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.023957.24360@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us
>(Steve Pierce) writes:
>>
>>Rob Henry suggested it is time for a topic change.  May I suggest a few:
>>  a) Favorite beach/spring/resort (all of the CO kind, of course :-)
>>  b) First CO experience (to help the newbies)
>>  c) Informing friends/family about being a nudist/naturist.

>   I definately agree that (c) is sometimes tough to deal with.  Most
>of my friends have no idea of my "other life" :).  On occasion it has
>seemed relevant to the conversation but it is always uncomfortable to
>bring up such things.  Especially with MOS, you don't want to seem
>like your comming on to the person.
[other stuff deleted]

   I have been working on telling people I know about my CO activities.  I
figure if I'm asked about my weekend that telling them I went to Cypress
Cove or Playalinda is only being honest.  It starts conversations better
than starting off like you are trying to convert them.

I, too, am trying to find a T-Shirt that will say that I participate
in CO activities without offending those who don't and never will.

>PS.  Anybody else in Ft. Collins, CO reading this besides Jon?
>You would think that if any place ^^ would be the place to be :)
    I'm not in Ft. Collins, CO but you may find some like-minded souls 
in the Rocky Mountain Bares, PO Bx 740159, Arvada, CO 80006,
(303) 420-4565.  They can fill you in on some CO activities and areas.
My wife and I joined them for one of their swim parties when I was there for
business in Denver.

Yours, naturally,
   Steve
-- 
===========================================
Steve Pierce             Palm Bay
steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us     Florida
===========================================
From: war@wetware.com (Andy R.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: ordering info needed
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:18:04 GMT
Organization: Dr. Gonzo's Land-O-Ammo

Hello one and all.

I can't seem to remember if this is in the FAQ or not, so I'm
asking.  I need an address/phone for ordering a copy of the
world guide.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please reply via mail.  If desired, I'll post the imformation
as soon as it is confirmed.

Again, Thanks.


Andy R.
war@wetware.com
-- 
If I had a hammer, I'd hammer all the folksingers.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: richard@locus.com (Richard M. Mathews)
Subject: Re: Beaches FAQ
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 23:24:25 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

>Perhaps a separate "Nude Beaches and Resorts FAQ" is in order.  It should
>be short but could be used as a starters list.  Sandy Hook, Blacks Beach,
>and Wreck Beach should all be on it.  Perhaps a popular Florida beach too.

>Any thoughts on this?

I had suggested this to David Brahm when he put out his draft of the
FAQ, but nothing ever came of it.  To round out the list of beaches
most commonly discussed here, I would add Playalinda, Virginia Key,
Little Beach (Hawaii), and Baker Beach.

You refer to this as a "Nude Beaches and Resorts FAQ".  If that it
what it is to be, then we might also want to list at least one locale
that isn't a beach.  No resorts come to mind which I have seen commonly
discussed here, so I'd just drop the "and Resorts" from the FAQ's name.

Richard M. Mathews			Lietuva laisva = Free Lithuania
Internet:   richard@locus.com		Brivu Latviju  = Free Latvia
UUCP:	    ...!uunet!lcc!richard	Eesti vabaks   = Free Estonia
MIL/BITNET: richard%lcc@UUNET.UU.NET	        WE  DID  IT!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: Re: Oilers-Kings tiebreaker
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:45:38 GMT
Summary: tie-breaker

In article <farenebt.703445192@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
> What are the tiebreakers for the Oilers-Kings? Has LA clinched
> it? Is it wins or season series or something else?
> 

LA has already clinched it since both teams have no games remaining and the
Kings are 2 points ahead of the Oilers.



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From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: Jets 6, Oilers 2
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.052517.22561@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <hkn-oilersU2AE1230ae@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com writes:
>>
>>	EDMONTON, Alberta (UPI) -- Igor Ulanov, Doug Evand and Aaron Broten
>>scored within the first 7:31 of the second period Tuesday night to lift
>>the Winnipeg Jets to a 6-2 victory over the Edmonton Oilers.
>>	The Jets won their fourth straight and are 5-0-1 since their last
>>loss March 17. They denied Edmonton a chance to catch Los Angeles for
>>second place in the Smythe Division.
>
>Hurray!  Now, I guess that means that it's time to bring out my "playoff
>.sig..." :-)
>
>===============================================================================
>GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for the Stanley Cup!  Go for the 4-0 sweep!

Your SIG is OK except for one small detail, the Kings won't get to the
Cup because the won't get passed the JETS (Yes, the JETS!)
 

> 
>Esa Tikkanen is a stiff! :-) (from the injury)  Bill Ranford is a stiff! :-)
>GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Pat Falloon for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
>Kansas City Blades for Turner Cup!
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
>rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks

Ken DeCruyenaere - "What about those JETS !?!"  Repeat of what Minnesota
                                                did last year ???
                                                YES!
From: njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Buying the Cup (was Re: Dear Sherri)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:14 GMT
Organization: AT&T



I really didn't want to step into this arguement but, it seems that there is
a major point of contention here that needs to be examined a little more.
Basically, the point is the idea that you can just go out and buy a winning
team if you have enough money.  In principle this sounds really easy but, I
am reminded of a something a friend who follows Baseball told me.  He said
that the time the Twins won the world series (early eighties) it was ironic
because the entire Twins team salary was less than the money that the 
Yankees were paying players they let go (but who were still being paid because
of contract clauses).  If this is true, then it seems to argue against the
simplicity of just being able to buy a winning team.  

Anyway, this gave me an idea on how to verify this idea.  Was the above 
situation a fluke or not?  Actually, was the above story true (as the friend I 
got it from tends to exagerate)?  Would it be possible to look at MLB team 
salaries as a function of World Series titles?  I guess this would depend upon 
such information being readily available (it may not be).  In any case, it 
would be a good measure of whether you really can buy a winning team with
enough money.  It might also be valuable to look at team salaries by 
bracket versus number of World Series titles.  One would expect to see the
highest number of wins in the highest team salary category and then have the
numbers taper off with team salary if the above concept were true.  In reality,
though, what would/does the data show?

Just some food for thought.  If someone could actually come up with the above
information that would be nice, too.

Nick Sauer
From: ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM (Ken Harford - Corp. Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Billerica, Mass.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooters.east.sun.com


Can someone enlighten me to what I saw last night on a local newscast???

I saw a fan being pummeled on the ice in front or I should saw in a teams bench area.
It looked like the Sabres bench and I mean this guy was geting labeled by about 3 or 4 players. Obviously this guy had one to many brewsky's and decided these guys weren't
as tough as they think they are.


Oh well live and learn, possibly from a hospital bed!!!


Ken
From: 832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL changes entry draft restrictions
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:04:30 GMT

18-year-olds playing Canadian junior hockey are now eligible in all 11
rounds of the NHL entry draft.  Previously, they can only be taken in the
first three rounds unless they had played three seasons at the major junior
level.

Players who turn 18 before Sept 15 are eligible for all rounds of this year's
entry draft scheduled for June 20 in Montreal.

Glenn
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT
Date: 3 Apr 92 14:27:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxb.ARBOGASTW.41
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <92Apr3.063111est.14373@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:


>ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>>

>>The big US bucks would solve all the problems the league faces to day.

>Nonsense. A big TV contract would just make things worse. Just look at
>other sports - the bigger the money the greater the greed and
>preoccupation with money. There is no such thing as enough.

>Marc Green
>Trent University

Nonsense? It would make it worse? Last time I checked, only the NHL was out 
on strike.  There may be no such thing as enough - I never said there was 
ever enough.  A bigger contract would not make things worse unless it was 
poorly managed.  Baseball is due for some tough financial times.  Not 
because they got a big TV contract, but because the owners mismanaged it by 
giving players multi-million dollar contracts that extend beyond the deal 
with CBS and ESPN.

Whether NHL owners would do a good job managing it is another story 
completely.  But the players want more money and it is on TV.
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