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From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Does being Tory mean you're Thick
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:47:29 GMT

In article <14OCT199212293233@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> In article <26872@castle.ed.ac.uk>, matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor)         writes...
> >In article <13OCT199210180785@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> > 
> >   ...   a lot of guff   ...
> > 
> >But then the crucial point:
> >>but I suggest that being Tory simply means that you're thick.  Anyone who can
> >>be persuaded by the recent bullshit from the government must be intellectually
> >>challenged.
> >>
> >>Laurence
> > 
> >The sad state of affairs is Laurence that to vote any other way at
> >present in this country is futile.
> > 
> >You can't beat them so you might as well join them...
> > 
> >		Matt
> 
> What is your evidence for that statement?  I know that's what the Mail, Sun,
> Star, Express constantly claim in their editorials "it's bad but it would 
> be worse under Labour", but where is the justification?

You don't need to justify anything to a wanker who claims people are thick
simply because they vote for a political party.

Simon.

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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Tory's compulsory union membership law
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:46:08 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <92278.200743RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:
> In article <BvI4tu.1xn@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk says:
>>
>>   You might be interested to hear that John Major has announced that
[etc (yawn)]

> 'Everyone' has the same choice on this issue as they have on any other
> measure introduced by the Governmnet. They can choose to elect somebody
> who is against European Union at the next election. In fact, given that
> the treaty was signed in Maastricht last November, you could have elected
> a government that was against European Union only a few months ago. But
> it just so happens that people don't vote in large numbers for candidates
> that oppose European Union. I wonder why?
> 
It could be because none of the major parties on the mainland opppose European
Union. At least none of the major parties oppose European Union yet. Wait for
yet another claasic Tory U-turn.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:21:42

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
							 ^^^^^^^

Isn't that supposed to be the date of the Rapture?  Will it wait for the
polls to close?
--
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Three more months!  Three more months!
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Car Boot Levers (Definitely not: Re: Currency Problems)
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:43:50 GMT
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <1992Oct6.090555.5483@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
> Six years ago (6 YEARS) the
>ability to open the car boot (trunk for US readers) from INSIDE the car
>was standard on the cheapest SUZUKI on the market. There wasn't a car
>made in Europe below the mid-luxury range which had that device. 

I've always been dubious of the utility of this feature; how can
you lock something in the boot to keep it safe(r), if you can get into
the boot just by pulling a lever?

	Tim.
-- 
Tim Oldham, BT Group Computing Services.       tjo@its.bt.co.uk
``Sounds good to me'' 
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From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:14:13 GMT
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany

newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:

[...]

>bosch@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerhard Bosch) writes:

[...]

>>usually in the difficulty to write the ideal german language. Sometimes I have
>>to ask me collegue from the north, which might be the correct formulation
>>of a sentence, because in the south the sentences are structured in a different
>>way. But it's possible to life with that restriction.
>
>  "Ideal" german language = language of the ruling class, right?  As
>  always, power, culture and language go hand in hand, and those who are
>  in power force their languyage and culture down the throats of their
>  population.

Sorry to post this to the 'wrong' soc.culture groups, but here it gets really
wrong, so I have to object.

First of all, classes don't have languages, countries and regions do.

And actually, in the case of German, it's NOT the language of a 'ruling class'
(or region, if you like) that was forced on the others. High German is a sort
of artificial compromise between all the dialects, and, probably to Gerhard's
surprise, more based on the southern than on the northern dialects. The fact
that southerners get the feeling that high German is the language of the north
only reflects how well northerners adopted this language (that is almost
like a foreign language seen from plattdeutsch, the real northern dialect).

So cultural compromise seems possible, and it's certainly not my view of the
world that there's always one dominant and one dominated party.

>  -- mn

Greetings,

Wolfgang

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: King of The Republic of Ireland.
Date: 09 Oct 92 16:16:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <Bvr6KB.6ME@u36.kwnet.on.ca> sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca (Sean P Goggin) writes:
[deletion]
>
>Almost undoubtedly the Duke of Windsor is the King of the Republic
>of Ireland. And the Duchess is Queen.
>
Well, Se/an, I'm sure that there are any number of people on
either side of the mid-Atlantic ridge who would agree that a
dead king is the best king.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: bmcgeene@gssec.bt.co.uk (Brian McGeeney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:36:28 GMT
Organization: BT


Could the Matthew Huntbach who reckoned the "[Irish] people have the Gaelic 
language forced down their throat at school" be in any way related to the Matthew
Huntbach who always attempts (we are told) "to post something reasonable neutral".

I think we should be told.



Brian.
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Salaries
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:23:36 GMT


Question:
	Assume a basic salary of 17,000 pounds a year. Before tax.
	Assume that there is sufficient capital to buy house without
having to take out a mortgage.
	Is the salary enough to live on in S.W. England (husband, wife
two small children)?
	What do people think (restrain yourself, Laurence)?

Richard Pennell, History, NUS

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:41:37 GMT

dunn@CAM.ORG (Ray Dunn) writes:

>In referenced article, h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers) writes:
>>Another one of my favourites is Culzean Castle (or Glamis).

>I hope this isn't meant to suggest that Culzean and Glamis is one and
>the same castle?  Culzean is not quite old enough!

No, of course not, I just meant that the pronunciations of both castles'
names are interesting. They're in quite different parts of Scotland too.

>Ray Dunn at home  |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  (514) 630 3749  |  dunn@cam.org

Henk Jonkers     ( H.Jonkers@et.tudelft.nl )
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:36:31 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>Also maybe he walks around chugging cans of shandy or other
>alcoholic beverages.  Noticed a lot of that in London and
>environs.  

Yes, it is quite visible what they're drinking on that side of the pond,
isn't it?

Of course that's because, unlike your neck of the woods, they don't hide it
in brown paper baggies and pretend it's milk.
-- 
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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: E-Mail Address
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:37:59 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: rana@evax2.engr.arizona.edu (NAME=Vivek S.J.B. Rana)
>Could someone please send me the E-mail address of the following College:
>                    Brighton Polytechnic,
>                    Falmer, Moluescomb,
>                    Brighton, Sussex.
>

Brighton Polytechnic has now become "The University of
Brighton" following the government's bright idea that letting
all colleges call themselves "University" and cutting the level of
funding of real universities to that of colleges so that no-one
could complain of double standards could be painted as
"expanding education". Actually (sorry Brighton Polytechnicers),
Brighton Poly was one of the better ones and my dad works
there, so I don't mind too much that it's now a university.

It's on several sites, part of it is in Falmer, part of it is
in Moulsecoomb (that's the correct spelling, but the test of a
real Brightoniam born and bred is the ability to pronounce it
properly), so your address is wrong - you mean either one of
the other.

And usual comments regarding email to the UK apply. It's not
widely used outside university computer science departments,
so you shouldn't blithely assume you can contact someone using
it, and what's wrong with making an initial contact by
international phone or letter?

Matthew Huntbach
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Does being Tory mean you're Thick
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:59:01 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <26950@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>
>It is also the case that schoolteachers for some strange reason are on
>average more left wing than the country as a whole. This is a problem
>for the Tory party, who do not wish to be paying the salaries of

Yesterday on the radio here I heard someone claim that Bill Clinton
is "in the pocket of the teachers". I had to laugh ...

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackotto@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Jack Otto)
Subject: REQ: Address of ESSEX University
Summary: Requesting the address of the University of Essex
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:28:20 GMT

I am seeking the postal address of the UNIVERSITY OF ESSEX.  In
particular, The Centre for the Study of Theology.

An EMail address would also be useful.

Please respond via personal email, as I don't check this newsgroup.

Jack.    --- Jack.Otto@vuw.ac.nz


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Stroud (was Re: Salaries)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.114941.7543@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>
>S.W. England is variable when it comes to house prices/cost of living.
>For example, in Bristol it's big city prices all the way, but around Stroud,
>where everyone is a hippy :-) and you are closer to the agricultural base,
>you can live more cheaply.
>

	Stroud? Hippy? Good heavens, have the ravens flown from
	the Tower?

	Alec Chambers
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:28:12 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Oct12.132422.8171@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu
(Robert Firth) writes about smoking:

>This is one of the areas where I truly believe the quality of life in the
>USA is better than almost anywhere else.

	Perhaps so;  and yet every experience you relate is paralleled
by my experience in England in the last few years.   My house and office
have been smoke-free for decades;  none of our friends, and few indeed
of our acquaintances, smoke;  this University has restricted the places
where people can smoke for decades, and a few years ago cut it down to
one designated room per building;  the local chess league banned smoking
at all matches two years ago;  I don't remember the last time I saw
anyone smoking in a shop;  all chain "restaurants" [I use the term
loosely!] of the nature of motorway services, steak houses and the like
have segregated areas;  public transport ditto;  and so on.

	In the last three or four years, I can remember only one restaurant
meal and two pub lunches spoiled by smokers [it doesn't actually bother me,
but my wife is very sensitive].  Even in the pubs, it seems to be only in
the evening that most people light up, and we don't seem to get the "fug"
of years ago.  Perhaps it's just the places I frequent?

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
From: quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:45:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


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livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

>I don't get it: do you seriously suggest that poetry is there to
>be read when it's a poem a page, and when it's organized as a play
>it's intended *not* to be read?
>
>jon.

You're right, you don't get it.  For one thing, I never suggested any such
thing.  But since you ask, transpose the "intended" with the "*not*"; I
imagine that would concord with WS's intention, although I freely admit 
it is speculation on my part.  Maybe someone knows whether WS knew how
many of his contemporaries could read?

Is it presumptuous of me to suggest returning to the original thread,
that is the compulsory study of Shakespeare at 16+?  Has nobody else
noticed the lack of moral values in the particular plays mandated?

Underage sex, random violence, systematic racial discrimination blah,
blah, blah...yeah...back to basics man!

Mart
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:30:22 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct7.082250.23695@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>That should read Juggernaut. It's just bloody typical that the same post
>I refer someone to a dictionary in a moment of self righteousness that
>I then mispell a word myself.

Eat a live toad before breakfast, and nothing worse will happen to you 
all day.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:04:02 GMT
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

[...]
>
>If you believe, as Mr Reid seems to, that this is evidence that
>the share were offered "deliberately" at too low a price, you 
>have to believe that the directors of that company, whose share
>were being offered in the sale, were deliberately screwing 
>themselves.     Why would they do that?
>
>Of course, they are not.    The fact of the matter is that    <----
>there is no "natural" price for shares in a company.   The    <----
>price is whatever the market sets for the shares from time    <----
>to time.   If at the time of the offering, no one is quite    <----
>sure how well the company is going to do as a public company, 
>they won't offer too high a price for it.   If after a few 
>months it becomes clear that the company is going to do far 
 ^^^^^^ [or a few minutes? ;=)   ]
>better as a public company than as a nationalized company, 
>then the price that people are willing to offer will rise.
>
[...]
>
>jon. 

Two thoughts here...

Jon is just trying to provoke pinkos like myself with a bunch of preposterous
garbage which even Margaret Thatcher could barely say with a straight face...

Or... He really believes this *utter nonsense*???? (no smileys in sight).

Stay loose,
Bill

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: :noitazinagrO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:09:32 GMT

Paul Roberts (proberts@informix.com) wrote:
: It's funny, but when I'm in Britain I can go into a smoky pub and it
: doesn't bother me. But in California, I notice at once if someone lights
: up and I don't like it.
: 
: Something to do with expectations I suppose.

More likely the smoky pubs are a welcome relief from the diesel fumes
on the street.  Anyone hear about using modified rapeseed oil as a
diesel substitute for city vehicles?  New Scientist just ran an article
about it.  No doubt those who converted much land over to rapeseed in
the 70s will relish the prospect...


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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Driving in UK.
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:33:06 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1b7aqiINNjam@gap.caltech.edu> miriam@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Miriam Jackson) writes:
~There seem to be a few people out there who know what they're talking so let's
~see if anyone can help on this one:
~
~My husband and I (British) both have California drivers licences, but he has
~a British licence which is for automatic cars only, whereas mine covers
~manuals, too.  Last time he was home he wasn't able to drive his sister's car
~(which is manual) because her insurance company wouldn't cover him, although
~they spent a while saying yes, no, maybe, before they came back to the no.
~Could he drive a rental car which is manual?

Yes.

~  Is he obliged to show his
~British licence?  If they ask him if he has one and he says no, will he get
~his hand slapped if anyone finds out?

Dunno.



-- 
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                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
                        Naetmagen
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Reports from political conventions
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:25:04 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <qyRBsB6w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> ATTENTION BRITONS!!
> 
> Can anyone post a summary of what happened at the LDem, Labour and Tory
> conventions?  Please post.
> 
Certainly: The Libdems were ignored by the rest of the country (perhaps Matthew
can fill in the details.) Labour had a really dull, friendly, united
conference with none of the old brothers' back-biting we used to see. That role
fell to the Tories, in particular with regard to Europe. Their problem is that
all the demagogues are out of power: Lord Tebbit (the Chingford Tomcat) got a
rapturous 3-minute stander for a speech from the floor, Maggie got a 2-minute
stander just for walking into the conference, while Major and Lamont got the
usual dutiful short standers for what were by all accounts boring speeches
interrupted by continual heckling. Clarke and Tebbit had a well-publicised
row at a party which took the chief whip to separate them . Things are not
looking good in the Tory camp: you wouldn't believe that they won an election
in April! 


-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Salaries
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:51:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
>During the hose price mega-inflation a few years back I remember working out
>the tyoe of house I could afford as a professional engineer with two degrees
>and expert knowlege in a highly paid area. I rapidly came to the conclusion
>that I could not afford to buy a house of any kind without additional
>capital.
>
>Point is if I cannot afford to buy a house in the UK how can anybody else?

Easy, high house prices mean that when your parents die you
inherit a large amount, or when their parents die they inherit
a large amount and give some to you to help get you "on the
housing ladder". This is what the Tories call "wealth
trickling down the generations", and what I call pcondmning
those not lucky enough to be part of the inheritance generation
to lifelong second class citizenship, for them and tehir
children (though they probably will never be in a position to
have any).

As for being an engineer with two degrees etc, British industry
is fine at paying such people peanuts and then moaning that
they can't find enough of them. To get real money you have to be an
accountant, lawyer, currency speculator, or some other form of
parasite. Certainly a good proportion of the students I teach
are only doing Computer Science because they couldn't get into
"Business Studies" and can't wait to graduate and become
accountants.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.160613.12584@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
|> 
|> That's a slippery-slope argument, since you could also apply that
|> argument in a lot of the cases where local councillors have been
|> penalised, I believe.  That is, 'they were only doing what they told
|> their voters they would do if elected'. 

Yes I hadn't missed the comparison which could be made between Militant's
post election hijacking of the Liverpool Labour Party and Major's takeover
of the Conservatives.  Both were subsequently returned to power although
neither could claim to command majority support amongst the people they
represent.

David.
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