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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Private School Re: Public Education
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:15:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Comments by williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) deleted.

lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
>jseaver@yaya.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>>	2)  Under the present system, only people with money could send their
>>		children to private schools.
>>	3)  With School Choice, the "poor" could send their kids to private
>>		schools.
>
>Hmmm. Last I saw, a Bush voucher was worth about $1000. But private
>school tuition (secular) runs at least $6000. I don't see the poor
>scraping up the other 7K. Sure, a few people on the margin will be able
>to use private school for the first time. The public schools fo the poor
>will become more of a dumping ground. The middle-class is supposed to
>fall in love with Bush for what amounts to a $1K tax cut.
>
>The numbers on the private school vouchers don't add up.

I don't call myself a member of the rich, but I have attended a public
and a private school. Currently I am attending a private university
(Duke) and let me say I'd love to have a voucher or a loan check or
something that would cover all my expenses with respect to tuition.

Again, I don't expect there to be the "enormous" flight to private
schools as you might think. Private schools will be looking for the best
possible students as will the families for the best schools. I don't
think my old private school could carry more than 500 people, and their
tuition costs are around $2.5K per student (max).

I was fortunate that the school that I was attending gave me, my
brother, and my sister scholarships to study at that private school (St.
Mark's Day School: kindergarten through 8th grade; I was there for 9
years of my life). Given that chance we excelled to become one of the
best students in our classes, and that work ethic carried over
into our work in public high school and college. It is this work ethic
that needs to be encouraged in our nation's children. That is why we
can't measure up yet.

I know that my family was very concerned about being able to afford
sending us to St. Mark's for 11 years. We didn't attend St. Mark's as
members of that church so we paid the higher tuition rates (minus
scholarships of course). But what kept my parents sending us to St.
Mark's was the caliber of the teachers and the learning environment that
drove us to succeed. Education does cost money, but learning is
priceless. And learning involves more than just books and paper and
number 2 pencils; it is a discipline and a devotion to excellence and
truth.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: ibe@world.std.com (ira b ekhaus)
Subject: inaccurate pols before British  election, parallels to  US election?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:00:49 GMT

hi,

I remember reading some editorials in the Boston Globe about  the 
coming (at that time) British election.
The very last pols taken still showed Kinnock and the labor party
comfortably ahead, and the Globe was salivating over the impending
loss of a conservative brethren of the current Republican administration.
Of course the conservatives won, and none of the aforementioned saliva 
found its way to any crow.

I believe we're seeing a similar political situation here in the US; 
When people finally get in the booth a substantial percentage of voters
will err on the side of conservatism and conservatives.

ira
ibe@owrld.std.com

PS
what are the current odds for the election in Vegas, and in London?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Democrats & Hippocracy
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:05:21 GMT

Just because the Democrats on this board have been whinning (surprise,surprise)
I have decided to put in my two cents worth about the subject of hippocracy...
not that I intend to try and disprove anyone, or even for the sole sake of
flaming, but just to remind the Dems. that they, now, more-than-ever, are
hippocritical whiners.
	Just seven days ago, myself and about 20 College Republicans went to
protest a Clinton speech. And I'm sure to the surprise of some liberas out
there, we did not have our jackboots with us at the time. What happends after
we advance not 20 feet into the fairgrounds? We are met by the Democrat "free
speech enforcers." Our crime? None. The rather burley youngmen decided that
they were not going to sell us a ticket, regardless of our willingness to drop
our signs and pay to see Bill. Though for the most part this is completely
understandable, security must be tight for a guy like Clinton, what makes no
sense is the rationale of one of the rent-a-cops when he actually struck one of
us, while riding a golf cart, on our war out. Nothing had indicated that we
were violent, or unruly. He was just your typical asshole. Funny how you seem
to meet a lot of them at Clinton speeches... (Hmm...) Now for the really
strange part. We had decided to move to the highway to protest, under the
watchful eye of the Clinton Gestapo, when a man from Poland stopped by to talk
to us ("protestors in AMERICA?") and then tried to enter the rally, they
stopped him, and turned him back. He had an invitation when they demanded it,
and a pre-paid ticket. Is this the sort of leadership when can expect from
Slick Willie? Is this a clue to his foreign policy? Fortunately, we will never
have to know, but I'm not about to argue mathematics.

So there you are, just a little story, nothing more... no harm intended. But
Dems.: you have got to show a little common sense when you start throwing the
word "fascist" around. 
Here endith the lesson
			--VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH
Conservative)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.libertarian
From: Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert)
Subject: Re: cable tv
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:00:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.173048.16604@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> 
rogers@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (mister rogers) writes:
> it requires the FCC to
> 1) establish reasonable rates for
>    a) basic service
>    b) converter boxes
>    c) remote controls

Items b and c are available from many sources.  Why would the government 
want to regulate this?

> 5) gives local TV stations the power to charge cable companies
>    for rebroadcasting their signals.

Certainly doesn't sound like it would lower rates.  I'll bet the 
Association of Broadcasters has lined the pockets of a few 
Congresscritters.   The local stations would probably love to see cable 
rates go sky high so that fewer people would have cable and be limited to 
non-cable stations for choices..

While I agree that cable rates have risen a lot in the last few years, I 
think the quality of programming has improved too as stations such as TDC 
have found their niche and invested in programming.  As alternatives exist 
such as satellite reception, or no cable at all, I see no reason for the 
bill.   While competition is not at an ideal level in this industry, rates 
that are too high will cause customers to cancel subscriptions....I think 
this bill will come back and bite Congress in a few years.

> thanks big brother.

Hey, let's regulate McDonald's.  I love Big Mac's and McDonald's has a 
monopoly on Big Mac's.  I think they charge too much and I hate Burger 
King.   We need to regulate and set minimum standards for Big Mac's.

Mark T. Evert
Friendswood, TX

My opinions are strictly my own.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (harold.r.holm)
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:23:43 GMT
Summary: Shorten????  How!!???

In article <1992Sep26.000155.25694@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
> In article <20713@plains.NoDak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
> >Interesting.  I just got through watching Bob Dornan on CSpan, quoting
> >from a book called Peace Eyes, and talking about Slick's experiences
> >in Europe in 69-70.
> >
> 
> So what's your point?  Clinton's made no secret of his
> involvement in the Peace Movement -- in fact, like most
> Americans opposed to the War, he's proud of it.  The country
> was split down the middle on the Vietnam War, and to many,
> the draft evaders and deserters were heros who helped shorten
> the war, 

Shorten the war??  Draft-dodgers???? HOW??  The primary American
involvement was already almost eight years long.  And how did  
they "shorten the war" from a safe-haven perch in Canada or Sweden---
strum Peter, Paul, and Mary sweetpeace songs on a flowered guitar??

> BTW, it was perfectly legal and commonplace for Americans, of
> all political persuasions, to travel to the USSR in the 60s.

Back in the 60's, I don't recall Americans of any persuasion flocking
to Moscow in great numbers. (What the heck *for*, supercold winters,
cheap vodka, and maybe perhaps a few snapshots of all those 
residents standing in line for a chance to buy just about 
anything?).  The only Americans who would have had any incentive
to go to the SU then were the appeasement peace-freakie types.

> And Moscow had and has no monopoly on irresponsible arms-
> trafficking.
> 
Yeah, well at that time they were sure as heck trafficking a 
lot of arms to their North Viet compadres to kill and maim
American servicemen who were there.  But maybe you'd like to
claim Bill and the PeaceFreak Happy-Band Travellers still
really "supported the boys", anyway, eh?  

> It serves no useful purpose to reopen the divisions of the
> Vietnam era for cheap political purposes in 1992.  Americans
> on both sides acted in good faith -- and bad faith.  It was a
> great disaster and we *all* lost.  

It serves a hell of a purpose to keep it in mind for the future.
Especially since Clinton's the one so hep on starting in (the
former) Yugoslavia with air power.  Is that a disaster anyone
proposes we can *win* ??

                                           H.R. Holm

*standard disclaimers, comment my own;
 replies to the group only, please* 

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Bush's failing health
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:53:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.205608.16361@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>It was Dana Carvey during the off season.  Now that SNL is back
>on the air, Bush will cease making public appearances.

Actually, Dana Carvey has a twin brother.  He was one of the designers
of the Newtek Video Toaster, a popular product for the Commodore-Amiga
computers.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
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From: pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Tension Breaker (Joke)
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:50:21 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Joke:

 alt.politics.bush  has 1195 postings
 alt.politics.clinton has 1337 postings

is this and indication that clinton has the lead!!!
over bush....

I know it isn't very funny but it's not as stupid as Ross Perot 
getting back into the race...
see ya,
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:44:58 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:
: And....to all of you who think the problem with the US is
: business regulation, I say, I hope you drown in the pollution
: or are hurt by an end to safety standards that an end to business
: regulation would cause!!!!!

Glad to see that that ol' Southern politeness and hospitality I remember
from living down that way hasn't changed one bit....

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.075113.24657@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>You have asked me to elaborate.  So here goes:
>
>I am concerned about Clinton's tax policies.  I hope to be successful
>finacially, 
>I plan to be a writer

If you plan to be successful financially, may I suggest you examine
your career goals?

John D.
From: aa001@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Grundner)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Campaign '92 Documents Available--FREE
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:14:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa001@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Grundner)
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Another example of the UNBIASED media!
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:40:58 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.022139.9811@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, 
mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) said:

> Today the CBS evening news led with a story of a woman who is
> accused of having killed several infants whom she had adopted.  The
> story began by showing a picture of her and the Reagans taken
> several years ago when she received an award for adopting several
> children, many of whom had physical problems.  CBS threw in a line
> of how at the time she 'represented the family values which the
> Republican party espoused'.[* * *]  First, I question the national
> importance of the story which CBS decided to lead it's evening news
> with.  Second, thousands of people from across the country receive
> 'humanitarian' awards from both Democratic and Republican
> Presidents.  CBS, through it's use of photos and clever wording,
> seemed to subtly imply that since this one woman was recognized by
> Republicans for 'family' virtues and later found to be suspected of
> being a killer, the whole Republican 'family values' plank is a
> sham.  This is a blatant example of how certain members of the media
> abuse the constitutional mandate given them to 'give the people the
> facts, not propaganda'.

I think that the powers-that-be at the media, like their average
customer, gets a good kick out of irony in whatever package it may
come shipped.  The fact that an alleged serial baby-killer had
received a Presidential honor for selflessly adopting the very same
infants who later became her alleged victims scores almost as high on
the irony scale as, say, the revelation that anti-communist/anti-gay
crusader and alleged human being Roy Cohn apparently was himself gay.

As for the fact that "thousands of people from across the country
receive 'humanitarian' awards from both Democratic and Republican
Presidents," well, there's an old Klingon proverb :-) that goes
something like "If you did not want it to heard, you should not have
said it."  If Presidents, of either major political party, are going
to insist on using the majesty of their office for public-relations
purposes like this -- as opposed to spending their finite time and
resources on doing their jobs -- then they're just going to have to
live with being bitten on the ass by their own photo-ops from time to
time.

(Y'know, just _once_ I'd like to see the President make a congratulatory 
phone call to the locker room of the winning team in the World Series,
Super Bowl or NBA Championship Series or something and have the team
captain, still in his uniform and soaked with cheap champagne, say
something like, "Well, thanks for the phone call, Mr.  President, but
don't you have any real work that you should be doing right now?" :-)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Bush's failing health
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:00:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.134434.14514@sei.cmu.edu> jjs@sei.cmu.edu (Jeffrey Stewart) writes:
>     I used to see the occasional "how the presidency ages you" story in the 
>various news magazines, showing "before" and "after" pictures of past 
>presidents.  The change was usually dramatic, even for one-term presidents.  
>The change was always attributed to "the stress of the presidency."

Well, President Reagan's hair looked EXACTLY THE SAME when he left office
as when he came in.  Though I suppose, Reagan didn't feel that much stress
during his presidency, what with the soporifics...



--
"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
were foxes...."
"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush at Penn State
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:14:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <92267.174802TAF102@psuvm.psu.edu> TAF102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> BTW, after the scandal yesterday where College Republicans tried to
> deny access to most Penn Staters and Centre County citizens by giving
> away 12,000 VIP tickets to Republicans from across the state, they put

When the Dukakis folks did exactly the same thing here at Rutgers four
years ago, there wasn't any outrage.  Rather, whatever outrage there
was, was directed at _US_, who successfully shouted Dukakis down from
the perimeter (to express our anger at not being allowed to get up
close).  It seems to me there's a double standard here.

> out an ad on the local information channel this morning saying that
> everyone was welcome, etc.--This backing down occurred only after the
> ACLU and the media were contacted, I might add.

Don't pat yourselves on the back too hard.  You think this is the
first time the media have seen this tactic?  Get your head screwed on.
The tickets were already out -- whoever shows up now won't be able to
get close enough to shout Bush down, and would only make the crowd
seem larger.  This was a managed event.  So what else is new?
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: More Republican Hypocrisy
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:06:21 GMT

In article <BD.92Sep18084715@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>I take it Bush didn't take a logic course when he was at Yale?

I suspect he did, but the half of his brain that he is using contains the
fallacious reasoning lessons, while the half he has tied behind his back
contains the knowledge that logical reasoning is that which *doesn't* contain
the fallacies -- meaning the half he is using believes the fallacies are
proper logical arguments.

Or maybe he just isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

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