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From: whitt@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Palm reading study -- help!
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:50:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University
Summary: Palm reading study (amended)
Reply-To: whitt@gw.wmich.edu (expired)
Followup-To: soc.motss, soc.bi
Keywords: palmistry, photocopies


Hello AGAIN...this has an address change in it.  Unfortunately,
it's also my last posting for probably quite the long while.
My best wishes to everyone.  This has been fun.

Here goes...
=====
Hi, everyone!  I've just decided to do a study of an interesting
topic, and I'd like to ask a favor of any interested people out
there...

For a while now, I've been studying palmistry (the art or "science"
of palm reading) and the ways in which it links with astrology.  Some
other connections have come up, though, such as how a person's
sexuality can be figured out from their hands.

Obviously, this is a hard study to do -- not everyone is comfortable
with having his palm read.  What I've been doing instead is having 
a random sampling of people make photocopies of their palms and the backs 
of their hands, one palm or handback to a page.  It seems to work out 
very well, if the copies are clear and dark enough that every line and 
feature can be seen.

Therefore, I'd like to ask if there are any gay or bisexual men out there 
interested in making me a set of copies of their hands.  I'm asking only for men
because 1) they're easier to read for some reason (no lie!  Women tend to have
much lighter and shallower lines as a general rule), and 2) it makes for
a slightly narrower control group.  If the age range were narrowed to
18 to 40, that would help even more.

All you need do is make a set of four copies -- one of each palm and
handback so that all lines, features, and fingernails are visible --
and put a birthdate on the back.  Your name should be on the outside
of the envelope, which will be opened by another person and numbered
to correspond with the set of copies -- please also include a slip of
paper stating your sexual preference (this way, if there is any difference
between gay and bisexual men, I can check for that, as well).  
If you'd like me to try to send you a copy of the results, include a 
return address as well.  Or, if you'd like to be reimbursed for the 
copying fees, I can do that, too.

The address to send them to is:

c/o Steve Ransome
1310 West Chimes
Baton Rouge, LA  70802

If you really want a complete study of your own hands, include
copies of the heels of each hand and the thumb of each hand (done by
placing each hand on its side on the machine).  Please only send the
copies if everything is visible -- some machines simply will not make
a good copy, while others are perfect for it.

If you'd like, please send me an e-mail squirt letting me know that
you are sending copies...this address is current for the next week.

And thank you for your help!

=====

And there it is.  I'm going to try to crosspost this so our bisexual
friends can also see it.

Thanks for the commentary on my research -- but SEND ME COPIES!  :)

Thanks, people!

Tony Whitt
whitt@gw.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:21:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug22.012152.4607
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug21.174447.20986@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Who'd want to be even 1% of a wizened old crow of 94?  Not even Jess!
>And by then, probably Donald will be way too old for me.  I'll be
>gumming the Nelsons Minar, Johns Dorrance, and Sims Aberson of soc.lgb

Marvelous. I don't particularly care for teeth, as I am rather
sensitive.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 Shame is playback: exposure to disapproval
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:59:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.193216.1935@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>(feminine gay name)
>should have been:
>"name of a feminine gay"

I think we're still in Melinda-land, or at least skirting
the border (although I'm certainly no femme).

>Typing for speed and I sacrificed clarity.  

Bwaaaaahahahaha.  We know what you meant, you moron.
Now go spread your cheeks for someone who cares.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction
In-reply-to: aberson@enh.nist.gov's message of 14 Aug 92 22:40:57 GMT
Reply-To: jontom@ileaf.com (JT Kittredge)
Organization: Interleaf, Waltham, Mass
Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.52.65 of Mon Apr 22 1991 on kontrol (berkeley-unix)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:15:43 GMT

In article <14AUG92.18405718@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>I have been interested in experiencing
>sex with a motos, even though I have never found any women to be sexually
>attractive.  I do have a couple of longtime female friends who I have thought 
>about having sex with at various times, but have never done anything with
>these thoughts yet.  I'm not sure that my being gay has much to do with my
>ability to have sex with a woman, just, as we have discussed recently, a man
>having sex with another man can still be straight.

Is this what they call "gay trade"?

Yours, JonTom	(jontom@ileaf.com)
-- 
"What I am saying is that gay is good because it is, not because we
 can't help it. Love is good because it's love, not because we can't
 choose to love in any other fashion." -- Cory Kerens (in soc.motss)
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Date: 16 Aug 1992 12:30:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: drag, commedia dell'arte

In article <1992Aug15.212304.2038@csrd.uiuc.edu> 
hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

> Dean, some time you need to go talk to Mona Foot in NY, or Vaginal Creme
> Davis in LA, or Joan Jett Blakk in Chicago, or DeAundra Peek in Atlanta...

Or how about Shivelva Kennedy-Sinatra in West Hollywood, who's running
on Joan Jett Blakk's ticket for the office of First Lady?  (I'd forgotten 
all about her until I saw an interview with her in today's LA Times.)

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: The Claytoon on the Couch (was Re: Stereotyping)
Keywords: spokespersons, alternative lifestyes, poor
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:02:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.020557.21270@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
> Hey, wow, Melinda -- I didn't know you'd been promoted to "spokesperson."
> Congratulations! It really gives me hope to see "just another member of 
> the cabal" work her way up the ladder!

Well, as usual the little moron got some facts wrong.  It's
not "spokesperson," it's "spokesmodel," a secret aspiration
I've had ever since my infant (literally) modelling career
was thwarted when we moved to Maine.  Now, allow me to show
you this lovely entertainment center ...
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 12:26:37 CDT
From: <U30644@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject:    Ian McKellan on Tonight Show

As an actor, I was very pleased with the appearance of (Sir) Ian
McKellan on the tonight show of 8/18.  They were speaking about his
knighthood and the controversy surrounding it (he is the first gay actor
to be given a knighthood) and Jay Lenno asked him something about Maggie
Thatcher to which he replied, "no, she's been terrible to gays...we
don't like her."  There was a noticeable uncomfortable reaction from Jay
Lenno at this line and at him being so openly political in his views.

Bet they don't invite him back. ;)

Joel
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Mentor Graphics
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:04:43 GMT

There is now a emailing list for les/bi/gay (and friendly straight)
employees of Mentor Graphics.  If you are interested, send me mail.

Tom
From some Mentor locations, email to tal%plts.uucp@uunet.uu.net is the
best way to contact me.

--
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp
S7/2 b+ g l+ y z- n++ o++ x++ a-- u+ v+ j+
From: batie@agora.uucp (Alan Batie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Starbucks (Was: I was gender f*cked, & I liked it)
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:53:09 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>This shouldn't be too hard to determine - isn't there a
>public register of who gave money to what PAC?

Yes, but unless you go down there to look at it, it costs $.15/page.  I
was told it would be >$100.00 for the OCA, so Monday I'll probably just
call Just Out.
-- 
Alan Batie                               \
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       Vote NO on Discrimination
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      Vote NO on 9!
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL     /   \
From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: redefining typing
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:20:59 EDT

In article <1992Aug22.020823.16220@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> Mk Drytn (mdrayton@sr.hp.com) wrts:
>  
>> Bob Sarver (bobsarv@microsoft.com) wrote:
>> > (feminine gay name)
>> > should have been:
>> > "name of a feminine gay"
>> ----------
>> No!  Should have been:  "name of a fem. gay".
>> Keep on using those abbrevs. to sv bndwdth!  
>> Mk Drytn
> 
> !2 frgt grtr spd @ sum lss of clrty.
> 
> --jns

I thought that "fem" was a word in its own right.  It's the masculine form; 
the feminine is "femme."
-- 
Mike Pettersen [practicing his French]
Ohio State Physics, msp@ohstpy.bitnet, msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
msp@physique.ens.edu coming soon!
Perfect love casteth out fear.
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sexual attraction
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:06:57 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug13.222414.3220@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>One of Arnold Zwicky's fascinating digressions -- in this case on the
>subject of someone being "his type" -- got me thinking about "types" and
>sexual attraction generally. Some ideas along these lines had been
>kicking around at the back of my brain for the last couple of weeks
>anyway, I can't imagine why.
>
>If a lot of what follows is couched in terms of attraction to men on
>the part of other men, it's because that's where my personal
>experience lies. It's not intended to devalue or discount other types
>of attraction.
>
Don't worry about types.  One of the things that came out when
I was in therapy this spring and trying to undue all of the
self-hate that I was going through was simply this:

I was attracted to men who typified the stereotype of the man
I thought I always wanted to be.  In capturing that type of
man and consuming some part of him, I gained (so I thought)
some part of him which I was looking for.

Once I debunked my own myths of my own masculinity and confirmed
my own self-worth, those men had no control over me.  It also
allowed me to love my wife even more.

Kisses to Arnold san Jacque (or at least until tomorrow)

Peace




-- 
| Dean D Blakeley, MD            |  This ain't no party.  This ain't no disco |
| Ambulatory Care Service (11C)  |  This ain't no fooling around.             |
| Durham VA Medical Center       |  - David Byrne                             |
| Durham NC 27705                |  NeXTMail accepted                         |
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:38:04 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug18.083115.21947@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.231310.13070@macc.wisc.edu>,
>reg'ler guy anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug17.210014.18241@quantime.co.uk>
>> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>> >should that be "regeler"
>> >... or "reguler"
>> 
>> ... I think it's r'egler.  
>
>Mercy, mercy!

You're welcome, you're welcome!


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: mandatory *service*
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:54:12 GMT

ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) quotes me:
>>Exactly the same.  I can fill a hole as well as any man in soc.motss.
>>[*snap*]
>>
>Sorry, dear.  ... the majority of the american public would disagree.  
>My previous statement was not intended to imply that women could not do the
>job as well as men, but to illustrate the inequity of the draft.  

So?  The majority of the American public doesn't understand "*snap*", either.

>BTW, personally, I don't feel women should be drafted.  I don't feel they
>belong in combat. I feel the same way about men, though...

I feel the same way about men as I do women, too.  Perhaps we should move
this to soc.bi.

Feeling apolitical for one afternoon of her life,
--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Re: Utopia (was Re: mandatory service)
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:00:05 GMT

    Message-ID:  <ROBERTL.92Aug13201459@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
    From:  robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) 

    >>The negative aspects of human nature rule out the simple
    >>utopias,

    Message-ID: <1992Aug14.043153.27273@macc.wisc.edu> 
    From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) 

    >I believe the error in this idea is to think there *is* a
    >"human nature."  There is just nature.

Worse error is assuming that human attributes such as aggressiveness,
altruism, hatred, and love can be neatly classified into "positive"
and "negative" traits, and all we need to do to utopianize ourselves
is to purge the bad ones.  Communism was to be a society based on 
altruism, for example.

David Christopher Rogers
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:15:55 GMT
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
> 
>> So I think straight boyz (and straight-identified gay boyz)
>> are mostly bottoms.  It's us queens on top.  Ride 'em, slam
>> 'em to the stars!  Oh Baby!

>I really don't see the contradiction here anyway.
>No doubt the mind that can manage being both gay
>and ungay would have no trouble thinking top while
>being on bottom.

No doubt at all. And it can cause no end of strife, if you care to get mixed 
up in it. I want to see someone make a haunting horror epic about these boyz, 
one called "The Ungay," one in which these shades inhabit sad and ghostly 
beats, one in which the purest, most face-whitening terror is elicited by... 

...a kiss.

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: AMD/Austin,Texass?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 12:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.164752.20331@tandon.com> tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
writes:
>Hi folks...
>
>I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to let me or the
>usa know how wonderful it is to work for AMD in Austin, TX...
>and how it is to live and play in Austin.  Since it is the
>State Capitol, are there a lots of g/l political groups which
>are active?  What about social and support groups?  Does
>Austin have g/l civil rights?  Does Texas have a right to work
>law which prohibits being fired for anything other than job
>performance.  I know Texas doesn't have civil rights at the
>State level... are they close?
>
>Thanks!
>Tom
>
>--
>Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
>Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
>Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!"
>[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]


Don't know about AMD, but I can provide some info on most of the rest.  Yes,
Austin is a great place to live (we were just ranked 3rd by Money mag),
especially if your queer.  There are several g/l groups here, and plenty of
social activities.  Austin protects g/l against housing & job discrimination,
but Texas is a "right to work" state which means employers can fire you,
esentially, for wearing the wrong color socks.  Right _now_ Texas has no
sodomy statute - hopefully it will disappear altogether in the near future.
The governor and attorney general both support repeal of the sodomy statute,
but we have to convince at least a small portion of the legislator of this,
too (small portion being the committee which will be rewriting Texas' penal
code).  For more specifics, please drop me some email.
"For I can see that in the midst of death, Life persists; in the
midst of untruth, Truth persists; in the midst of darkness, Light
persists."

"An eye for an eye will blind the world."
                                      Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

"I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it."
                                                             ME!

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
Michael Lax, 12514 Esplanade St., #B, Austin, TX  78727-4409
512.837.1596 (h), 512.836.9715 (fax)
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:52:12 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1w!ngm_.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

> The reason was apparent to me (although I wouldn't respond the way Arne did).
> Perhaps you're just missing something.  

George?  *Miss* something?  Preposterous.

> And he certainly begins to merit it.  I wonder if you read either Arne's
> postings or "Lovegod"'s postings carefully. 

I don't think the complainers read my original posting at all.
I suggested, bitchily, true, that new arrivals to the party that
is soc.motss should be forced to catch up.  It really doesn't take 
all that long to come up to speed, and besides, we'd never get
any place at all and have very little fun on the way there if we
had to come to a halt every two or three minutes for yet another
introduction.  

This entire thread is so preposterously silly I can't believe it.
The gay community *I* was socialized into as a teenager was 
aggressively bitchy.  Bitchiness, bitchy comments, are not
necessarily hostile, you know.  Well, no, some of you don't
know.

Arne


Xref: sparky soc.motss:36185 soc.bi:11072
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Responses to people dying
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:16:25 GMT
 <1992Aug20.031627.28817@plts.uucp>
Organization: University of Maine System

better yet, how about not posting AT ALL that day, instead of
just avoiding soc.motss and soc.bi?  of course, someone will
have to email me about the date to warn me...

i'll have to pass this idea on to alt.pagan.  quite a lot
of people there are very gay-friendly.

                                 -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:06:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <92227.020856NAZ@auvm.american.edu> Naz Reyes 
<NAZ@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>If people would only
>try to *really listen* and *really think* about what people are saying
>and feeling there would be better understanding between all people in
>the world.

If people would only try to make themselves clear, consider how what they
say might be perceived by other people, and eliminate ego from their
postings, there would be better understanding between all people in the
world. 

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:14:40 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

I keep saving messages.  My home directory on Panix is full of files
called rob.by.jess and rob.by.jim and rob.by.mara.  Et cetera.  I
guess it helps.

Rob and I weren't exactly friends, but we were a bit more than
net.acquaintances.  We exchanged Rosh Hashanah and Passover e-cards,
and the occasional e-mail.  He was the first motsseur I met in person
(well, okay, this was 30 seconds before I met everyone else, but that
cowboy hat made him easy to identify while walking to the rainbow-
festooned picnic area in Golden Gate Park).  One of my favorite
memories of that first motss.con was standing on the sidelines, watching
Rob and Jess standing on the sidelines, making random observations and
cracking each other up.

Much to my great joy, a cancelled, re-scheduled, re-re-scheuled, and
re-arranged camping trip to Northern California last summer found me
driving home through Concord just as one of those famous barbecues was
happening.  At the time, I thought it was terrific to see Rob _in situ_,
and a lovely site it was, too.  Now, it's an especially precious memory.

I'm afraid this was more about me than about Rob.  I wish I could've
known him better.  I wish I still could.

Alav ha'shalom.

-- Tovah Hollander
   tovah@panix.com -OR- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: motss'ers in Las Vegas?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:09:20 GMT

help?
I am taking a trip in a week- (a job interview in San Fran...I am very
excited/apprehensive!) buuuuut, I have a layover of several hours in Las
Vegas....any motss folk care to meet for coffee, or some other beverage?
(ok, ok, I am a SOUTHERNER, I was born drinking iced tea....)

please email..(oh, this would be Sept 1st...)
growf/thanks
Penn
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:29:26 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
>Oh, honey, you haven't been in this tropical heat wave 
>we've been suffering through for the last week and a half. 
>I'd pay to have my central heating *removed*.

You *could* just turn it off.

Sim, really in the tropics, with no artificial heat needed.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold