From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Whiners
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:55:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Mike_Whalen.0kn8
Distribution: world
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Wed 29 Jul 92 19:53, Jrm3a@cyclops.micr.virginia.edu (jo
wrote:

 J> Ya know I always thought computers were tools to do work and have fun
 J> with for one's own PERSONAL enjoyment/productivity.  Hence the name
 J> Personal Computer.  If the only reason you own a computer is to turn
 J> somebody elses head, you have wasted your $1000.  Each and every one
 J> of us makes his or her system(s) useful, and you get out of your
 J> computer
 J> exactly what you put into it.  Your lack of satisfaction doesn't come
 J> from Commodore Business Machine, it's a little closer to home for all
 J> of
 J> us.

  My anger is more personal, I will admit. It's not because the Amiga is
not being supported.. but it's more that I can't do the things that I can
over on the Macs at school. It's not because I don't have equipment.. it's
because it's not available.

  What does this mean? This means that I have to go an buy a Mac a soon as
I can. Why? Because I am going into the DTP field.. I can do it with an
Amiga. There is no way that I can convince a potential employer that the
Amiga was a worthwhile investment to practice designs.

  In fact, the very mentioning of the Amiga is enough to turn many
employers off. You think this is good?

 J> they
 J> know how to run a multi-million dollar business?  Oops, sorry CBM,
 J> "billion"
 J> dollar business.  Unless you have run as far as CBM/Apple/IBM, you are

  I don't think I ever claimed to be able to run a business.. billion
dollar or otherwise. But don't you have to advertise? I mean.. doesn't that
mean exposure and publicity? Doesn't that mean possible new sales?

  But do they advertise where we can see it? Apple advertises as the middle
inset in NewsWeek magazine and we are in video trades? It took me having to
do a design for a video rental company to actually see an Amiga ad aside
from the Amiga magazines.

 J> You can't measure a computer's value through material comparision.  I
 J> don't
 J> mean to sound Zen, but the value of your system comes from YOU.

  True. I totally agree with you.. to a point. If the materials aren't
available.. the YOU can only be as much as YOU can obtain. Is there
actually something even reomotely comparably to Aldus Freehand? No.. it's
not available. So how can I make that part of my system.. hence part of
me.. to use your analogy.

 J> You certainly don't seem to be supporting it now.  What
 J> software/hardware/
 J> upgrade/consulting work have you done to support it?  And having done
 J> all
 J> of the above support what terrible catastrophe turned you down this
 J> dark
 J> path, Luke?  (Besides your obvious "do other people approve"
 J> insecurity)

    I can't code. Sorry. So you won't see software coming from me. Now, I
have pushed it with friends. Like I had said, I am running out of things to
use to support as being a decent computer. That's my opinion.

 J> Sick of this, sick of that WE WON'T TAKE IT NO MORE RALPHIE!  Well
 J> toddle
 J> off and come up with some definite constructive criticisim, then Howl
 J> to
 J> us :)  And Mr. Robbie, too!  (Not just you Mike, but all you Amiga
 J> whiners!)

  Many of us feel as if Commodore doesn't listen to us. Look at all of the
traffic here. Check out GEnie's Amiga RT. There are Commodore people on
here as well as GEnie. But they aren't saying anything. It took a
syndicated obtiuary to get them to say, "We're coming out with stuff.
Honest."

Mike.. 

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Phillip Robinson author of Washington Post/San Jose Mercury
article is RIGHT about Commodore atrocities regarding the Amiga!
Let's make HIM our voice! Since Commodore won't listen to us!

                              Phil Robinson
                              P.O. Box 1377
                           Sausalito, CA  94966
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