HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeremy@legion.Corp.Sun.COM (Jeremy Allison)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: where to get a #6 badge ?
Keywords: badge
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:11:34 GMT
Reply-To: Jeremy.Allison@Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems / CTE

Does anyone know of any shops in the SF bay area that sells copies of
the penny farthing badge that number 6 wears in the village.

I need it to wear to work :-)


Thanks,

Jeremy Allison.
From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Why the Penny Farthing?
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:19:59 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <Bz1HMM.600@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk>, rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Ryszard Boryna) writes:
> The subject line says it all - is there any significance behind this symbol?  Or is it
> just there to get people like me asking what it's there for?
> 
> Ryszard.

That's actually a difficult question, which I'll try to answer and hope someone
else adds to for you...

The penny farthing represents technology.  The wheel is the basis for
industry/travel etc.  It also represents the slowness of mankind's development
eg the wheel was invented thousands and thousands of years ago but it's only in
the last century or so that it's been put to major use.  Like, the penny
farthing was the prototype bicycle, and was only invented in the 19th century
despite the wheel having been around since the stone age.

Also, the penny farthing can be seen to represent either the Earth/Moon or
Earth/Universe, hinting at the constancy of man's enviroment and his impotence
when it comes to changing this.


Someone please add to this as I know this is only the barest of explanations.

Be seeing you

**Lucas**
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: pulliam@engin.umich.edu (Matthew David Pulliam )
Subject: Re: Prisoner fiction writing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:05:47 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

   Gunther Anderson hit it on the head with his one rule for creative
writing of Prisoner stories: Do it well.
I suggested the guidelines because a similar set of rules has worked
well for writers of _Star Trek_ fiction, and I thought they might
apply equally well here... Then again, this *is* an entirely different
milieu, with different needs and ends. Thanks for your post.
---matt

Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Who is number 0?yy
From: musjjh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:54:29 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University 

In article <924708164717@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, Simon Jerram<EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK> writes:
>>mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>> In article <uo13uB5w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz>, system@codewks.nacjack.gen.
>>> > andrew@cursci.demon.co.uk (Andrew Trotman) writes:
>>> >
>>> >> Who is number zero?
>>> >>
>>> > Who is number i?
>>                 ~~~

Or more to the point, Who is No.MCMLXXVIII ???

Veni, Vedi, Be Seeing Ye,

XO4.
From: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: living in harmony
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:10:25 GMT
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
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here^s something from alt.folklore.urban which I thought was almost
appropriate for prisoner fans...

Jane Beckman, jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com writes:
[story of town namelessX deleted]
>>Story is that the name the community wished to adopt was not OK by
the post
>>office, so the community leaders got peeved and said, "All right,
if you
>>won't call us what we want, we'll just be nameless!"  And so they
were.
>
>A community near my home town is supposed to be named Harmony
>for similar reasons.  The story goes that the town founders
>were arguing over what the call the place, and one fellow
>stood up and said "Gentlemen, let us have harmony!"  So they
>did.
N.W. Choe    Beaver Consulting Co.- Chicago
5454 S. Shore Dr. #318
Chicago, IL 60615     312.702.4605
"Embarking upon the obvious to stumble upon the truth."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: briano@microsoft.com (Brian Overland)
Subject: Re: Let's all be numbers, kids.
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:26:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Dec10.202336.2417@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk wrote:
> Here's a neat idea, or maybe at best cute.
> 
> How about regular writers adopt their own numbers a la The Prisoner.  I guess
> that's kind of kindergarten, but that's where my mind's at.

Ok, I take dibbs on X04!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Let's all be numbers, kids.
From: musjjh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:51:37 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University 

In article <domalley.724435148@unix1.tcd.ie>, domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
> In <1992Dec10.202336.2417@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
>>How about regular writers adopt their own numbers a la The Prisoner.  I guess
>>that's kind of kindergarten, but that's where my mind's at.
> 
> I'll be no.42, since 42 is the meaning of life... ;-)
> --
> |       //              |------Daniel O'Malley--domalley@unix1.tcd.ie------|

				 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
....Please, no names are used here......

Be Seeing You,

XO4.
From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: JOHN DRAKE-VERY IMPORTANT (not!)
Date: 9 Dec 92 20:36:25 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <17389@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> In article <1992Dec7.093418.2221@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <Jim.Armstrong-051292174328@blaydon.ncl.ac.uk>, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Jim Armstrong) writes:
>>>> In other words, No.6 is remembering one of his old contact men from the days
>>>> when he was M9 agent John Drake.
>  
>>> I'm not as sure as this, but it would seem that its all part of the logical
>>> progression from Dangerman to the Prisoner. It might just be that the actor
>>> and McGoohan are drinking mates and thought it would be fun to put in a
>>> allusion or relive old times. Actors are a small social group and tend to
>>> do this sort of thing (just look at Peter's Friends!) 
> 
>>While, yeah of course it could be possible that it's an in-joke by McGoohan,
>>I'm sure he wouldn't be so flippant about what is after all his masterwork, his
>>'baby'.
> 
> You've got to understand, "The Girl Who Was Death" was a hastily-written
> fill-in episode.  I've even heard that most of it actually WAS a script for
> Secret Agent, dusted-off and framed with the Village scene(s).  Considering
> the production crises which were happening at that point (George Markstein
> leaving, and so forth), I don't think treating his masterwork with grave
> respect was McGoohan's top priority.  More likely he just wanted to get
> the episodes out the door.

I know that TGWWD and a couple of others were written quite quickly because
more episodes were needed, I still wouldn't think it was a rush-job ie
carelessly written.  I think the writers would still have been quite serios
about the task, just with a bit more pressure on them.
    Having read the Dangerman scripts, TGWWD doesn't seem to fit in at all. 
The episode is so surreal compared to Dangerman that even the simple premise
that there's a lunatic with a rocket that will destroy London doesn't fit.
    More likely, working from my viewpoint that No6 is John Drake, TGWWD is a
twisted version of one of his previous assignments.  It's a clue from McGoohan
that 6 = Drake put into the faintly distortative (is that a word?) framework of
a chidren's story.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: mfrazer@scott.skidmore.edu (The Wombat)
Subject: Re: Prisoner Reference on Shoestring!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:17:31 GMT

On 15 Dec 92 09:26:26 GMT, Graeme Nattress (T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote:
: I was watching Shoestring last night and noticed that one of the radio West
: employees was wearing a penny farthing prisoner badge.  The episode was
: "The Link-Up"

: BCNU

: Graeme

OK I'll bite, what is shoestring? It is a program right, I mean you'd
really have to be tripping on some major stuff (possibly what they
shot into 6's room after he resigned) to see all that in your
shoestrings.

--

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Let's all be numbers, kids.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:59:08 GMT

In <1992Dec10.202336.2417@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:

>Here's a neat idea, or maybe at best cute.

>How about regular writers adopt their own numbers a la The Prisoner.  I guess
>that's kind of kindergarten, but that's where my mind's at.

>So don't delay, pick a number!

I'll be no.42, since 42 is the meaning of life... ;-)

Be seeing you...
--
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| //  // //  // //  //  |-This has made a lot of people angry and has been-|
|  ==//   ==// //  //   |--widely regarded as a bad move.":Douglas Adams.--|
From: Bernard.Stern@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Prisoner fiction writing
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:21:53 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <1992Dec9.204530.2355@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
> Just a thought, but does anyone else feel that there could be room in the group
> for some creative writing?
>     After all, The Prisoner is designed to make us think and I'm sure there
> are others out there who would enjoy writing using the premises and characters
> from the series.
>     As long as these were marked as fiction and no-one took them too seriously
> I feel Prisoner short stories would offer some colour to the pretty heady
> discussions that go on in the group.
>     How does everyone else feel about this subject?
> 
> **Lucas**

You are obviously new (or almost) to this group. This spring, there were two of
them brought to the net by Dutton (Jeffrey Somers): "The Return of the King" and
"The Guilded Cage". I got all of TROTK chapters (17 all in all) but
unfortunately I missed the first chapter of TGC.
Personally, I loved the first one (the second I haven't read yet).

I might repost (email me Bernard.Stern@info.unine.ch).

Bonjours chez vous!

-- Le Baron Alucard
From: rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Ryszard Boryna)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Who runs the village?
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading

> I cannot recall any indication that the pilot was "switched" except for
> the gloomy music as he walks up to the plane, however if you watch the
> episode
> on its own, that is the implication. 

If I remember correctly, a milkman entered the aircraft hanger just before they
were about to take off.  The pilot who then walked to the plane was already masked up.
When he ejected No 6 he removed his mask to reveal himself to be the milkman rather
than the character that was earlier introduced to us as the pilot.

Ryszard
From: nelson@tiger.nsc.com (Taed Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Who runs the village?
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:56:49 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Applications Technology, National Semiconductor (Santa Clara, CA)

In article <WHITEHEC.92Dec15123621@panda.cs.man.ac.uk>, whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (C J Whitehead) writes:
> 
> In "Many Happy Returns", the British Government/Secret Service are
> helping No.6 to do a flying sweep to find the village, when the pilot
> is switched over.  If the British were to fly him back, why switch
> the pilot?   It must be an enemy organisation.

Possibly because:
	1.  They could not be sure that Number 6's friend would go through
		with it.  (Or if it wasn't his friend that was flying
		(I forget...), then they might have suspected that his friend
		had given the pilot other orders.)  This assumes that
		his friend is "in on it."
	2.  If his friend was not in on it, or at least the original pilot
		wasn't, then they didn't want a non-"member" to know the
		location of the village.

Neither of these imply that the British government is not "in on it" -- in
  fact, it seems to imply that they were...

Of course, this assumes that you feel the series was based in reality...
From: srl@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Langstaff)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Who runs the village?
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: srl@terminus.ericsson.se
Distribution: world
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England

In article 92Dec15123621@panda.cs.man.ac.uk, whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (C J Whitehead) writes:
|>
|>In "Many Happy Returns", the British Government/Secret Service are
|>helping No.6 to do a flying sweep to find the village, when the pilot
|>is switched over.  If the British were to fly him back, why switch
|>the pilot?   It must be an enemy organisation.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>
|>--
|>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|>Chris Whitehead BSc,           Internet: cwhitehe@p4.cs.man.ac.uk
[snip]


Or another section of British Intelligence.
(I've heard some rumours about FBI vs. CIA - ar'nt they both American?)

---

 -----------------------------------
| Steve Langstaff - Ericsson CAMTEC |
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (C.J.K.)
Subject: Re: Allison
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:44:04 GMT

HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:


>  I am 25 years old.

>  I have a Master's degree.  

>  I work for a major university as a programmer.

>  I absolutely DIE for Courtney-Thorne Smith (Alison)!  She's just so damn
>CUTE!  And how about that velour/velvet dress she was wearing at the Christmas
>party.  Woof!!!!!!!


Well, it sounds like you have the appropriate qualifications for your
statement.  If you want to see Alison more often, watch her identical
cousin Katie Couric every morning on CBS (I think that's the network)
at 7:00-9:00 a.m. (U.S./Central Time).
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Allison
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:24:09 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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  I am 25 years old.

  I have a Master's degree.  

  I work for a major university as a programmer.

  I absolutely DIE for Courtney-Thorne Smith (Alison)!  She's just so damn
CUTE!  And how about that velour/velvet dress she was wearing at the Christmas
party.  Woof!!!!!!!

  Okay.  I feel better now that I've made this confession.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: amacdona@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: a question about Allison
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:45:57 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


	I missed the show this week! Can someone tell me why Allison 
	was in the hospital, please?

- Allison MacDonald
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lynn Ridenour)
Subject: Re: Various comments
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:19:24 GMT

In article <bjag-081292150337@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.154657.10064@lgc.com>, mary@lgc.com (Mary Peterson)
>wrote:
>> 
>> On Matt
>> -------
>> Why not give him some storylines that don't involve him being gay, just a
>> normal guy? Sorry, I forgot networks don't think gays are normal.
>
>I agree whole-heartedly with this, too. He could have so many normal things
>happen to him that don't have to do with his being gay. They haven't
>typecast the black girl (I can't remember her name); she has storylines
>other than those having to do with racism (though maybe they should have
>some -- they seem to ignore the fact that she's black). I don't see why
>they can't do the same for Matt.

Well, for quite a few of the first episodes they didn't even
mention that he was gay.  Of course, he didn't appear very
prominently in any of the storylines at first either.  I don't
think that it's because they don't think he's "normal," just
that they aren't sure how to involve him in the kind of
situations they end up portraying on the show.  If you think
about it, most of the plots and subplots revolve around the
character's dating habits, etc.  Stories about Billy and
Allison are usually about who they're dating or why they're
not dating each other.  There's always something about Jake
and either Sandy or Jo.  Rhonda can never find the right
guy (what DID happen to the rich guy?)  And Jane and Michael
are usually worried about children and sex, or the lack
thereof.

Being black doesn't restrict Rhonda from participating in
any of these sorts of activities, but being gay certainly
doesn't allow Matt to participate in the same way as the
other characters.  Would Matt go to Shooters with Billy and
Jake to scam babes?  Would Billy and Jake go to Shooters
with Matt to scam guys?  I guess I'm getting off track here,
but my point is that if the show revolves 75% around the
dating habits of the characters, then if Matt is included
in the storylines, his homosexuality has to be an issue to
some extent.  Come to think of it, Rhonda's skin colour
IS an issue in nearly every episode - hasn't she dated
exclusively black men?  Hasn't Matt dated exclusively men?
Isn't that part of who they are?  How could the writers
ignore that given the types of stories they've been
exploring?  (Sure, they could change the show around, but...)


- Bob


Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: fkhan@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Various comments
Organization: Clark University
Date: 17 DEC 92 14:54:01 GMT

maybe i'm being unrealistic, but if the writers are willing to include matt
as a character, I would like to see his role in the show expanded to look
at his life as a whole, i.e. dating habits the same as everyone else. it would
be nice for america to get a view of a gay man who does not just have sex in
a float riding down main street (not my words, this is a quote) oh well, one
can only hope...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Heather Locklear
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:31:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

Let's add a little more to the rumor mill - Heather locklear will be
joining the show as a "permanent" guest who has an affair with Billy.
(Have to wait for that Allison thing.) When does she show up? How does she
act? All I do know is that they tried to put her in a leather mini-skirt
and she refused. Let's see and stay-tuned.

Mike

-- 
It's not love, it's deep seated neurosis. Don't confuse the two.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: rakesh@svcdudes.com (Rakesh Chabra)
Subject: Re: I LIKE Billy and Alison in a romantic storyline
Reply-To: rakesh@svcdudes.com
Organization: Software Ventures, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:59:15 GMT

In article <SSAVBLC5@cc.swarthmore.edu> mgovern1@cc.swarthmore.edu  
(Marcia) writes:
> I watch Melrose Place along with a couple of other people at Swarthmore
> College regularly. As far as I can tell, we are all very much in favor  
of
> Billy and Alison getting together. Maybe I'm just being sucked into the
> romance thing, but they are SO cute! I don't think it would be a bad  
thing
> for a romance to develop - I've been rooting  for it for weeks. I don't
> particularly like the other characters, though. And hey - what happened  
to
> that restaurant owner the dancer was dating - He was COOL. Anyway,  
that's
> just my opinion. By the way, I think it was a rerun - but what was UP  
with
> Jake and Alison (apparently) hitting the sack? That was SO RANDOM.  

You'll probably get your wish Wednesday night - have you seen the  
previews?  I can't wait!!

Rakesh
From: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Daphne Zuniga
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:27:34 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

why did she replace Amy Locane? I know this has probably been up before
but hey I'm new.

Mike
shindle@planecrash.berkeley.edu

-- 
It's not love, it's deep seated neurosis. Don't confuse the two.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv,rec.arts.animation
From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing (12-14 ep.)
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In article <1gntaiINNr1p@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> David Iverson, diverson@phys.ksu.edu
writes:
>No, the best line was from Ed,  "And I asked him why he did it and he
>say, 'Sometimes you have to do something really bad just to know you're
>still alive.'"
>
>-David Iverson

I don't think that should count as a best line since Chris is the one who said
it in "Spring Break," and he said it better, too.  With the opera music in the
back ground and the darkened studio with most of the light coming from the red
neon KBHR sign... that was surprising very non-cheesy moment.
From: barrett@pamsrc.enet.dec.com (Keith Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure Merchandise
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@pamsrc.enet.dec.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.


>In article <15DEC199213491904@cc.utah.edu> pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN) writes:
>Whew--what a pain this was!  The woman kept asking me for a credit
>card number even though all I wanted was a catalog, and she couldn't
>give me a price.  Once she keyed in the order, though, the computer
>stopped asking for the card number.  Just to save you five minutes
>of frustration :-)...

I had the exact same experience -- it was a pain to convince her.

Especially since the catalog is free.