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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:07:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Dec16.180708.15453
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec16.014403.2407@cirrus.com> dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.214210.19181@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
>rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>
>>Let's get this discussion back on the REAL message of the
>>original post: the Japanese coordinated attack on industry
>                   ^alleged
>>in the US, and the mercantilistic trading practices of Japan.
>
>Do you know when the US will get back on track?  When it stops blaming
>Japan.
>
>The US owes Japan a lot.  Why do Americans buy Japanese products?
>Because they are inexpensive and work well.

This is a classic economic error, similar to the one which caused pollution
until we figured out the policy that "the polluter pays."

That is: the costs and benefits fall on different actors, so those
who incur the costs are unable to stop those who are getting
the benefits. Everybody breathes pollution, but a few companies
(until we got are act together) produce it  by using the atmosphere
as a "free" sewer.

In the instant case, consumers get the benefits of good, cheap products,
but only dimly and after some long time bear the costs of industries
going out of business in our country, and then losing jobs.

The solution is the same: in a case where the public loss is much
greater than the individual private benefit, the government must
intervene, since the Japanese have refused to provide symmetric
access to their markets, symmetric access to investment, and
a symmetrically protective patent system.

The only issue is how to intervene. Weak attempts at quotas and
tariffs have proved difficult and ineffective, and do not address the
underlying problem--unfair Japanese economic practices. They have been
like handing out gas masks instead of going for the polluters.

The solution, in my view, is to impose symmetric capital, marketing,
and patent restrictions on the Japanese here as they impose
on us there, until they change.

If I were the policy maker I'd also file a major damage suit
against Japan under GATT, along the lines of the suit we filed
against the Europeans in the crop case recently in the news. We
won three out of three adjudications in that case.

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c)
Subject: Re: some questions
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:55:16 GMT

In article <YUJI.92Dec14160323@mickey10.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> yuji@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Yuji Nagaishi ) writes:
>
>If you would permit, I would like to have some intuitive responses whether 
>the following sentences are acceptable or not from the native speaker's point 
>of view. Also, I would appreciate if you can have some comments on the context, 

Yuji, 
I am not at home and don't have my english Handbook but maybe I can help.
(Naturalized citizen: US)
		
>1)  Ann shrieked that there were cockroaches in the cavier.
      (seems ok to me) 
>2)  Tom shouted that the orange was poisonous.
      (seems ok)
>3)  John mumbled that he was a genius in mathematics, but he actually isn't.
      (seems ok)
>4)  Mrs. Farmer grunted that Mary broke the window.
      (seems ok)
>5)  I didn't know that cooking requires this much of time and energy!
      (seems ok)
>6)  I didn't know you have 3 kids.
>     (seems ok)
  
In many cases the use of  ' that ' is optional.  I only whish I spoke
japanese as well as you write english.

'any english majors out there???

>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>--
>Yuji Nagaishi 
>yuji@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp
>KYUSHU INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY


You're welcome                              Tony C.
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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:04:06 GMT

In article <1471@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>In an article, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>>[...] It is too bad that our lifespans aren't longer (to see 5 or so
>>'bogeyman nations' rise and fall) so we learn that while we have problems,
>>America is not going anywhere, not in the gutter or otherwise!
>
>I would think that "America is not going anywhere" is a apt description
>of the problem at hand.  If we aren't moving forward, we're falling behind.

True, but not exactly what I meant (I meant more of 'As Americans we have
this uncontrollable urge to sense doom at every turn, no matter how sound
or unsound that judgement may be.'  I think this cultural angst is due to
the Puritan/Calvinist culture of the original European settlers (Puritans),
and their pessimistic predestination.)

>
>-- 
>Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike  (909) 681-2623
>Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA


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From: smittie@csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,soc.culture.usa,misc.education
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:35:22 GMT
 <Bz0D9J.4x2@fc.sde.hp.com><1992Dec11.012246.26987@news.Hawaii.Edu><1992Dec11.134953.11870@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

First off I wish Mr. Hazelwood would learn how to use an editor and then remove
those lines of the quote which are not necessary to understand the post. There
was no reason for all of us to reread the entire previous post. Talk about
LAZY.


>The problem with the U.S. educational system is that everyone is afraid
>to put the blame where it lies.  The students are the fucking problem.
>Lazy, don't-give-a-shit-attitudes are present among the majority of
>students.

If there is anything I've learned in 33 years of life it is this. People who
offer simplistic answers to complex problems usually don't understand the
problem. Moreover, the simplistic answers that they present are seldom of any
use in finding the real answers.

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Sexuality of Japanese Girls
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:44:26 GMT
	<1992Dec15.133701.4885@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Dec15.145756.6061@u.washington.edu>
Organization: Sony Corporation,Communication Products Group Audio Products
	Div,Atsugi,Japan.
In-reply-to: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 14:57:56 GMT


	Obviously, this legend exists everywhere.
	Other possible replies :

		- Big
		- Pink
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From: stank@leslie.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: D O E S A M E R I C A S A Y Y E S T O J A P A N ?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:02:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.190728.22524@u.washington.edu> yjkim@stein.u.washington.edu (Yong Kim) writes:
>There is a strong pressure to the students in countries like Japan,
>Korea, or China. Getting into a prestigious university often means a
>life-long job security and high-paying status. Although there is such
>an incentive in the US, any students in the second tier or third (or
>4th) tier institutions can improve themselves after they graduate. A
>case in point is the Japanese cabinet members.  Most of them come
>from just a small number of prominent schools. This is also true in
>CEOs and executives. It becomes a news if the prime minister does not
>come from Tokyo University.  It is not uncommon in Japan or Korea that
>if a student fails to enter a university, he/she normally waits for
>another (or more) year to take the university entrance exam. I was
>told once that the entering class of Tokyo University has more
>students who spent one or more years after having graduated a
>high school.  This kind of practice is unheard-of in the US. Numerous
>suicidal attempts are reportedly made out of frustrations.



There are many cultural differences between the US and Japan. One, which seems
amazing, is that as a Japanese when you go to work for a co. that co.
expects you to work for them for the rest of your life. Likewise you would
expect that co. to keep you employed for the rest of your life. I'm not sure
if the pratice is still in place but as soon as 5 years ago a Japanese High
School Graduate had ONE chance to apply to a college(any college)if turned
down the only chance of getting a higher education was to leave the country.
Likewise 5 years back Japan had the highest child suicide rate in the world.
With this type of pressure it is easy to see why. Every commuity in Japan has
its own shrine where parents go to pray for their child's acceptance into
a college. This is the specific purpose of this shrine. Nothing says that a 
student has to apply right away and I would think that with this kind of 
pressure you would want to research your choices very very carefully. I'm not 
as familiar with these practices in other Asian countries.

Stan Knight
|At least both Japanese & Americans both enjoy sex:What group is this anyway?|
From: dcroz@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Not a Myth at All
Date: 11 Dec 92 09:26:26 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

 
Pascal Goguey writes:
 
=}But the frequency with which one is "told something bad" is correlated 
=}with the fact that the country is hostile or friendly, right?  
 
     No.  It could be correlated with the degree of *open* hostility or
friendliness, but these are aspects of behavior that are not necessarily
reflective of the underlying feelings.  Particularly so in a society that
regards the failure to be sufficiently two-faced as not just bad form, but a
severe moral deficiency.
 
=}That's a rather extremist point of view!
 
     That I haven't yet met a non-racist Japanese is not a question of "point
of view."  Introduce me to one and claim your prize.
 
=}By the way, what do you mean by PC?
 
     PC stands for "politically correct," a rather new and particularly
disgusting form of fascism making the rounds in the States.  And other places,
I'm told.
 
=}I'm certainly rejecting YOUR reality.  Not THE reality.
 
     Which the PC-Speak Dictionary renders as, "A convoluted way of saying, `I
think you're wrong.'"
 
=}Like in any other country in the world, there are some racists here.
 
     Very fair, very evenhanded.  Produce a non-racist Japanese and I'll
concede the point.
 
=}there are people thinking that their O heso (sorry, I don't know the word in
=}english) is the center of the universe.
 
     Navel or belly button will do.  Same reply as above.
 
=}it looks like when going to a foreign country, there are. . .others who try
=}to respect the host country and its citizen.
 
     What makes you think I didn't try?  That aside, if you expect me to
"respect" racism and racists, I recommend you accustom yourself to living with
minor disappointments.
From: ycao+@pitt.edu (Yousheng Cao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Watching more than 50 hrs free NHK TV in US
Summary: A Cheap, EZ satellite receiver
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:51:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   NHK has more than 50 hrs TV broadcast a week in US and Canada. It is free
but you have to put a 5 feet dish in your backyard. The program is very good
and clear. For more information, call (412)621-4214 or fax (412)687-4663.
You may send a self-addressed envelop with 29-C stamp to H & H, 3333 Juliet
Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15213. Do not miss New Year's Eve Red and White Show.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ryoichi@athena.mit.edu (Ryoichi Hashimoto)
Subject: Let's not confess racial preference on net (Re: Not a Myth at All)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:09:57 GMT

Thank you, Dwight Joe, for your preference for Japanese and Korean girls,
although I am not a girl :-).

But, as you know, net news is not a good place to confess your racial
preferences, especially when you compare several ethnic groups, for it
would create so a long thread of fruitless arguments.

-- ryoichi
p.s.If you feel like to confess your opinion in favor of Japanese, send
    me an email, I will surely agree with you :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Rubbish!
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:26:11 GMT

cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:


>Afraid not, Rikiya.  Present one point where you were denied your civil
>Rights.  It's not slander if *you* actually said it, and there are no
>laws against pointing out the erroneous biases of your statements.

>-- 


One could make a case that some of what Asano-kun has said is of itself
slanderous, to others. Which would make the first clause of your third
sentence inaccurate, although not in the way that Asano-kun thinks.

Charlie


P.S. Do I need to add "(-;"s?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: mikef@dph1.health.su.oz.au
Subject: Emiko Omagura (missing bride) found safely in Sydney
Originator: mikef@dph1
Organization: Dept Public Health, Sydney University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:06:25 GMT

I think it was five days ago that 25 y.o. newlywed Emiko Omagura
went missing while shopping with her husband on their honeymoon in
Sydney, Australia. This prompted a large search by local Police, who
initially presumed that she had been abducted.

She had been missing for three days when I met a Japanese friend in
a local cafe. She (my friend) told me that she believed that the bride was 
probably trying to get out of the marriage, and that she doubted that
Ms Omagura had been abducted. My reaction to that was "Well, I hope
you're right", since that is preferable to being abducted. However, I
thought it was highly unlikely that her hunch was right.

As it eventuated last night, Ms Omagura was found by Police in a holiday
unit, where she had been secretly hiding. It was reported in the local
press that she and a work colleague had booked the unit in Japan, and 
that the estrangement had been planned prior to the couple's arrival in
Australia. At a press conference last night, Ms Omagura apologised for
the trouble caused and said that her action was prompted by "doubts"
about her marriage.

My friend's hunch was correct! I can only presume that Japanese brides
have resorted to this kind of overseas estrangement on other occaisons.
Has it happened in other countries? Anyway, I'm just glad she was found
safely.





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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:38:39 GMT

d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.045427.5078@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>>The shops in Japan do not yet have the incredible array of anti-theft
>>devices with which American stores are armed.

>I hear you can't see even one single pair of shoes in any shoe-shop
>in the US, they always show a shoe without the pair. That's because 
>if you put a shoe right beside the pair, they are bound to be stolen.
>Is this true? I have never seen such a shoe-shop in Japan. And I am
>proud of it if this is true.

The shoe stores _display_ one shoe from each type. This is a matter of 
conserving display space more than a matter of security. When you ask to
see a particular shoe , then they bring out a box containing the correct
size pair. Unless the display shoe is the last one in that size they are
unlikely to sell it. The mass merchanting shops , however will have rows
of pairs of shoes on display. What they lose in space they make up by 
cutting back on staff, at least in relation to the volume of sales.

Charlie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: comptec91025@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Ian Hobday)
Subject: Using 110V,60Hz equip on 100V,60Hz??
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:49:26 GMT

Sorry to interupt all this riKKKi bashing to ask a question, BUT...

Happily, I will be travelling to Japan early in the new year, and will 
probably be taking a notebook designed for use on 110V, 60Hz power.  I will 
be going to Osaka, where I understand the power is 100V, 60Hz with 
non-polerized plugs.  The question is, of course, will I fry my machine???
Although I am not planning to, what if I end up travelling to an area that 
is 100V, 50Hz?  What then?

I have seen this asked before, but have never seen a definative answer...

Thanks,

Ian.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: chawley@andy.bgsu.edu (Chris Hawley)
Subject: Re: Picking on Canadians (Was: PEN-PAL WANTED)
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:53:52 GMT

    For me, the Canadian give-away is the sound "oht" (as in "getting oht
and aboht").  Even Tom Brokaw hasn't quite gotten oht of the habit. ;)
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Prowrestling (Was: sumo comes to America, ...)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:25:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Ef=xQXi00Vp_4QNY5p
	<hit.724180172@sol>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I like American Prowrestling. One may think that its fake but if one of
those guy grab you its all over. But, what I really like is the state of
mind. Very surreal.  Randy" the Macho Man" Savage, I never saw a person
like that, actor or no. That dude is wild. Do you see the shades and
clothes that he wears. That's a wild, dude!  And, what about "The
undertaker" that's a wild dude too.  By the way,  if the WWF every went
to Nippon, it would be a success. Jake "the Snake" Roberts,  remember
Professor Tanaka, "The Shiek",  Jessy"The Body" Ventura and Mr. Fuji 
has been around forever. 
I know those guys are doin' drugs. Probably, Cocaine! One can not be
that surreal  and not high. And, a natural high don't go that far! Those
guys are wild man. I'm a die hard(T.V.) WWF fan. I remember one time I
was with
this guy who was documenting the life and times of Mohammad Ali. And,
there was a time  when this "The Greatest" boxing champ 'fought' this
wrestler. His name was "Gorilla Monsoon! It was really funny! I wish
that I was in America at this time. No, maybe not!!!!!!!!
From: pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a myth at all
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:45:20 GMT
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Organization: Sony Corporation,Communication Products Group Audio Products
	Div,Atsugi,Japan.
In-reply-to: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu's message of 11 Dec 92 23:56:39 GMT

In article <1l#@byu.edu> luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:

 *Just to add a data point.  The subject of "are foreigners subject to
 *racist behavior in Japan" seems to be one of major "your milage may
 *vary" proportions.  Personally, I believe that there is discrimination
 *in Japan, and a fair amount of racist attitude, particularly directed
 *towards Middle Easterners and Southeast Asians.  On the other hand, in
 *my 2.5 years or so of experience in Japan, I have never felt harassed
 *or mistreated because of my race.  (If you don't count kids looking at
 *you in amazement, saying "Gaijin da!" and "Disu izu a pen!")

	Neither did I.

 *I wonder sometimes why some people have such a bad time, while others
 *don't.  Are some people just more sensitive and easily perturbed, or

	Some are paranoiac and some other aren't! (I may get a couple of
flames)

 *do they go looking for trouble and thus find it?  Do some people expect

	Exactly! If you want ABSOLUTELY to find something bad in the behaviour
the Japanese have towards you, you can ALWAYS find it.

 *bad treatment, and thereby invite it, or do they act in racist-type
 *manners towards the Japanese, and so get racistized in return?  Or is

	That's possible. I don't have any concrete example, but I wouldn't be
surprised if so.

 *it just dumb luck?

	Jaa, nee! 		Pascal
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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:14:25 GMT

In article <Bz4wow.2DK@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>>Well, how do you define literacy?  The Japanese define it by recognition of
>>2000 Kanji characters (like being able to point out/ read 2000 words - no
>>big deal)...[stuff deleted]...
>
>I know that it is not a reasonable comparison since English is my first
>language and I have only been trying to learn Japanese for one year, but
>2000 kanji seems like a hell of alot of literacy to me!
>
To a foreigner trying to learn it, sure, but consider that English has
over 100,000 words, about 10,000 are in common usage, with similar numbers
for the Japanese, then knowing 2000 words in your first language may
be considered very *basic* understanding.

While I do not mean to imply that the Japanese do this, if one can lower
standards enough, EVERYONE can be made literate or illiterate.

I do not trust those statistics (especially if both are 90% +) for
comparison...

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