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 In article <spears.40@bobcat.lmc.edu> spears@bobcat.lmc.edu (Gene Spears) writes:

 >	If large numbers of people were able to do do as you suggest - pay a 
 >nominal fee, take a professional examination, and get a degree - it could 
 >have a pretty serious impact on university budgets.

If this were the case, perhaps 3% of all individuals in the world would
be able to put together a course of study on their own and have the
discipline to study and pass all of the exams necessary to prove their
competence. 

Since this degree would add to their income producing potential, others
would want to do the same.  But the majority couldn't do it themselves,
so some enterprising indivduals could put together courses of study and
regiment it, tutor them, and help them get their degrees.  And this is
essentially what many universities do, isn't it?

If you're wondering why I think that only 3% of the individuals have the
discipline for self-study it's because this is exactly the participation
rate in employer-paid education programs when the employee must use his
or her own free time.

I often lament the fact that talented albeit non-degreed individuals are
largely ignored by companies when applying for engineering positions.
But, in truth, I have not encountered many self-taught non-degreed
Einsteins wandering around.  Granted, it may be because they can't get
past the personnel department in attaining employment in a large
company.  Or, maybe there just aren't that many of them.  Or, maybe
they've seen the 'writing on the wall' and decided to go ahead and pay
for the degree even though they knew all the material beforehand.

There are exceptions, to be sure.  I believe Jim Williams of Linear
Technology Corporation is one.  I love reading his credentials as a 'former
student of Philosophy' at the end of the numerous articles he writes on
analog circuit design.  However, he will never have any trouble finding
gainful employment in his field so I don't think his lack of a degree is
a problem for him.

So, in order to find gainful employment in your chosen field you can
either get a degree or alternately you could write dozens of brilliant
articles and publish them.  Either way, you need an education.  I think
getting a degree is much easier.

The subject of educational credentials vs. employment opportunities is
bound to erupt here since the only reason I can think of why you'd want
some letters after your name would be to impress someone (unlikely) or
else the lack of them was somehow preventing you from doing something
you want to do.

Lee Devlin

Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: fil@me.utoronto.ca (Filippo A. Salustri)
Subject: Re: Can engineering be automated?
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:06:38 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>in article <Bs5upC.BAq@me.utoronto.ca> fil@me.utoronto.ca (Filippo A. Salustri) writes:
>>	Ok. Real engineering is a creative process of innovation.  What do
>>we then call those calculations that you exclude?  We can't call them
>>engineering too; but we do talk about them alot, so we really should have a
>>name for them. 

>I call it "doing the math" or "crunching the numbers".  Some people
>refer to it as "making the calculations".  Do we really need a special 
>term for something like this?  How about an acronym? 8-)

	Yes, we do need a name for it, a precise term that we strive to make
universal in the profession so that when we discuss engineering, we can
communicate efficiently.

	The important point is that we get a *precise* definition of
engineering, so that we can talk about *it* efficiently.  It is a
convenience, however, to have precise terms for pheripheral notions, like
``making the calculations'', or whatever, so that we don't ever confuse it
with engineering.

>-- 
>    Brice Dowaliby         |    I may speak fluently, but 
>(bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu)  |    I don't speak for Fluent

Cheers.
Fil Salustri (fil@me.utoronto.ca)
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                                     A is A
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: Rigid body dynamics textbooks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: dynamics
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 22 Jul 1992 09:27 EST  

In article <1992Jul22.012704.1829@athena.mit.edu>, hbudiman@athena.mit.edu 
     (Haryanto T Budiman) writes...

>Hai!
 Hui!  Counter!  :-)

>I was wondering if any of you know the list of good rigid body dynamics
>textbooks (from elementary to advanced).
>I am a graduate student and would like to help a friend who will take
>dynamics this Fall.

Here are a few that get some use around the office:

Kane, T. R. and D. A. Levinson.  _Dynamics: Theory and Applications_.
New York: McGraw-Hill, 1985.  ISBN 0-07-037846-0

Wittenburg, I. J.  _Dynamics of Systems of Rigid Bodies_.  Stuttgart:
Teubner, 1977.  ISBN 3-519-02337-7

Shahinpoor, M.  _A Robot Engineering Textbook_.  New York: Harper & Row,
1987.   ISBN 0-06-045931-X

and, for detailed discussions of a single rigid body in 3-D (e.g.
orbiting spacecraft:

Kaplan, M. H.  _Modern Spacecraft Dynamics and Control_.  New York:
John Wiley & Sons, 1976.  ISBN 0-471-45703-5

Kane, T. R., P. W. Likins, and D. A. Levinson.  _Spacecraft Dynamics_.
New York: McGraw-Hill, 1983.  ISBN 0-07-037843-6

Wertz, J. R. ed.  _Spacecraft Attitude Determination and Control_.
Dordrecht, Holland: D. Reidel, 1985.  ISBN 90-277-1204-2

Good luck.

RG

Who became an engineer because he thought "free-body diagrams" might be
interesting.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: Re: Can engineering be automated?
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:47:52 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <Bs5upC.BAq@me.utoronto.ca> fil@me.utoronto.ca (Filippo A. Salustri) writes:

>	Ok. Real engineering is a creative process of innovation.  What do
>we then call those calculations that you exclude?  We can't call them
>engineering too; but we do talk about them alot, so we really should have a
>name for them. 

I call it "doing the math" or "crunching the numbers".  Some people
refer to it as "making the calculations".  Do we really need a special 
term for something like this?  How about an acronym? 8-)

-- 
    Brice Dowaliby         |    I may speak fluently, but 
(bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu)  |    I don't speak for Fluent
Xref: sparky sci.engr:1852 comp.realtime:898 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:10783
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:20:23 EDT
From: <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.engr,comp.realtime,psu.comp.micro,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Data acquistion software recommendations

   Hi!

   Our lab uses Keithley 500 and 570 series data acquistion products to
collect our data.  I write the software using their Kdac500 software.
I've been thinking of switching over to some different type of software to
collect our data with, but don't have a good idea for what is out there
that will control the Keithley cards.
   I know there is LabWindows for the IBM(I'm using an IBM BTW) and Labtech
notebook.  Labtech notebook is not the way I want to go.  At the moment,
I write my programs in QuickBasic and Kdac500, and like the flexibility
it gives me.  My biggest complaint with Kdac500 is it's size.  It takes
up around 200K of memory.  Once I have the QuickBasic running as well, I
only have around 50K for my program.
   Can anyone give me some recommendations on any good packages?
Please email me since I'm cross-posting this to four different groups.

                                                             [Tim]
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,biz.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered
From: olasov@cs.columbia.edu (Ben Olasov)
Subject: Structural engineer needed
Followup-To: poster
Originator: olasov@shadow.cs.columbia.edu
Reply-To: olasov@cs.columbia.edu (Ben)
Organization: none
Distribution: ny
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:37:31 GMT


Reggistered engineer needed to collaborate on small 
short term project.  Project involves performing finite
element analysis on 3D furniture prototype.  NYC area preferred.
 
Software used should have the following capabilities: 
 
1] ability to import AutoCad 3D wireframe model
2] ability to optimize part geometry for design stresses
3] ability to export optimized model to AutoCad readable format
 
Engineer must be able to certify FEA studies and reports.
 
Reply by email to olasov@cs.columbia.edu indicating proposed
FEA software and brief description of previous related projects.





-- 
Ben Olasov		olasov@cs.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: reeves@rocky1 (Malcolm Reeves)
Subject: Re: Groundwater Hydrology
Reply-To: reeves@rocky1
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:56:10 GMT

From article <mitsch.11.712400677@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, by mitsch@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Brett Mitsch):
> Excuse me,
> I have a problem in that I require a text book for a masters class on 
> groundwater hydrology titled"Groundwater Hydrology" by Bouwer published in 
> 1978 by the Mcgraw Hill company. It is unfortunately unavailable in 
> Australia except by waiting for 8 weeks. However the semester will be half 
> over by then. If anybody in the U.S. can check out to see whether the book 
> is still available, then I would be most grateful if you could let me know. 
> I could then send over a bank cheque and you could send me the book. 
> Certainly a lot quicker than waiting for 8 weeks. I apologise if this 
> message is in the wrong section but I have not used the e-mail system often.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brett Mitsch
> Monash University
> Melbourne
> Australia

8 weeks is good - the bookstore on campus here in Canada take that long!!
Why not contact McGraw-Hill directly? Why not buy an equivalent text ? There
are many good groundwater text books that are much more up-to-date than
the Bouwer book. You should be able to get by with the more recent texts
unless the class is very specific and uses Bouwer for examples and problems.
If all else fails try interlibrary loan - there shouldn't be much demand
for a 14 year old book in a hot topic like hydrogeology. That's not an
implied criticism of your professor by the way - I teach hydrogeology here
and out recommended text is Freeze & Cherry (1978)!!

If you want a recommendation - take a look at "Physical and Chemical
Hydrogeology" by Domenico & Schwartz, John Wiley, 1990. Great breadth,
good figures, good examples, excellent references and a very good index -
and they didn't even pay me to say it.

Malcolm


Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: olmstead@steam.uwaterloo.ca (F. Michael Olmstead)
Subject: Ontario Building Code
Originator: olmstead@steam.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:34:03 GMT

In response to S. Hartwell's reply to I. Robertson's request not to post
changes to the Ontario Building Code world wide.


> Canada is majority foreign-owned and controlled, used to be mostly
> Brits, but now it's mostly Yanks. You know what that's like, eh ?


I would like to see some statistics supporting this. To say that we are
majority owned is a pretty strong statement.  


> Don't the Yanks and Arabs own most of England, right ?


The English sec netters may take issue with this.    


>A Canadian owns a lot of your newspapers. And just got re-married
>over there to a former Brit - Conrad Black - heard of 'em, have you ?


I have a feeling that this is bigger news in Canada then it is in
England.  Its like the Canada Space Arm.  Ask an American if they have
ever heard of it.  As far as the Canadian media is concerned it is the
most important compenent of the shuttle.  In other words Canadians and their
building codes are much less important outside of Canada.

 
>A British company recently bought Canada's largest Natural Gas
>supplier to consumers in the Province of Ontario.

>The Yanks and the Japanese are buying up everything else here.

>That's the way of the world now, I guess.

>So, it seems not only appropriate, but necessary, to let all the
>foreign owners know what the local Building Codes are, or will be.


It is most likely that these foreign owners could care less about the
local building codes.  The Canadian office would be in charge of any
construction or design in Canada (of course there are exceptions to this),
and Canadian engineers would most likely be directing these construction
projects. 

There would be instances where changes to the Ontario Building Code
should be posted world-wide.  If the changes are made to address
problems all civil engineers may encounter then it is probably worthy of
world wide posting.  However,to post piles of detail is really a waste of time
and money.

Mike Olmstead
Waterloo, Ontario

olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: Allison Schriver <SCHR@UNB.CA>
Subject: Call for Papers
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:42:29 GMT



The Canadian Society for Civil Engineering
   La Societe canadienne de genie civil


         CALL FOR PAPERS

   1993 CSCE ANNUAL CONFERENCE


The 1993 CSCE Annual Conference and 11th
Hydrotechnical Specialty Division
Conference is to be held July 8 - 11,
1993 in Fredericton, New Brunswick,
Canada. Papers are invited in the
following areas:

    Civil Engineering History
    Cold Regions Engineering
    Computer Applications
    Construction Engineering
    Engineering Education
    Engineering Mechanics
    Engineering Surveys
    Environmental Engineering
    Hydrotechnical Engineering
    Materials Engineering
    Structural Engineering
    Transportation Engineering

Three copies of a 500 word abstract in
English or French should be submitted by
1992 October 16 to:

    Dr. John Christian, P.Eng., MCSCE
    Technical Chairman
    CSCE'93 Annual Conference
    P.O. Box 3730, Postal Station B
    Fredericton, N.B., Canada
    E3A 5L8
    Tel:    (506) 453-4521
    FAX:    (506) 453-3568

Authors will be notified by 1992
December 14 of the preliminary
acceptance of their papers. Completed
camera-ready manuscripts will have to
reach the Technical Programme Committee
by 1993 March 5.
From: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Is there a continuity equation in elasticity
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:33:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu

Subject: Is there a continuity equation in elasticity?
Hi, 
I have a question on the governing equations of solid mechanics:
Do we have continuity equation of mass in solid mechanics?
Or it is not necessary, or is it implied in other governing equations?

If possible, please reply to this account. Thanks.

JTR Smith
From: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: ontario bldg code
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:46:18 EST
Reply-To: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Distribution: sci
Organization: Canada Remote Systems




     Original message from: IAN ROBERTSON (BCW MSC 89
     Original message to:   ALL

IR> Message-ID: <5386@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
IR>    Subject: ontario bldg code
IR>
IR>It might be an appropriate newsgroup but it isnot appropriate to
IR>send all over the world. Why can't you restrict distribution to
IR>Canada? --

 Hi Ian, since you broadcast this to the whole world, I'll reply in
 kind. Hope you see it.

 It's a good question - and I've a good answer - I think.

 Canada is majority foreign-owned and controlled, used to be mostly
 Brits, but now it's mostly Yanks. You know what that's like, eh ?

 Don't the Yanks and Arabs own most of England, right ?

 A Canadian owns a lot of your newspapers. And just got re-married
 over there to a former Brit - Conrad Black - heard of 'em, have you ?

 A British company recently bought Canada's largest Natural Gas
 supplier to consumers in the Province of Ontario.

 The Yanks and the Japanese are buying up everything else here.

 That's the way of the world now, I guess.

 So, it seems not only appropriate, but necessary, to let all the
 foreign owners know what the local Building Codes are, or will be.

 Don't you agree, eh ? Thanks for the comments. Cheero.

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Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: Greg Grant <grant@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Greeting from SIBERIA!
Organization: LESC
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:55:18 GMT

In article <AEWbaJgm84@fsib.nsk.su> Dmitry Tipicin,
tipdim@fsib.nsk.su writes:
>Dear sirs,
>I work in Civil buildings and engineering company, from the heart
from Russia. 
>I am brand-new user of InterNet.

How do you get Internet access? How much do you pay (if you do)?
What 
software do you use?

>                                  My firm was building any types of
buildings, 
>we try use  only foreign "know-how". We are Young firm, which
represented new 
>Russian business structure. Siberia was very perspective region,
and we try to 
>make life in it more funny and pretty.

What kind of buildings do you build (precast concrete, wood frame,
etc.?) 
What do you mean by "new Russian buisness structure"? Do you have
private 
clients or is it just "goszakaz"? Got any problems with supplies of 
building materials? Do you get them domesticaly or from abroad?
How's the 
owner-worker relationship? How do you insure they do what they are
told? Do 
they get some kind of benifits (medical, etc.)? What's the tax
structure 
like? How do you do your accounting? Dou you use a Russian bank?
etc., 
etc...

Sorry for all the questions, but your request is kinda vague.

-Greg

p.s. How much funnier can life in Siberia be? :-)

>Now many foreign business school represent business education for
Russian 
>market, can You be our teachers in this hard but very interesting
problem?
>I shell be much obliged for Your help and any information , that
You will post me.
>With kind regards, Dmitry Tipicin
>P.S. Please,if You can, contact with me by my home address too
>630099, Novosibirsk, 99,
>Revolutcii st.6 flat 268. TIPICINY DMITRIY VLADIMIROVITCHY
>
>-- 
>***tipdim@fsib.nsk.su#Dmitry Tipicin # Design & Building
firm"SIBERIA"
>Chief of new technology department, Hardware, software,computer
animation, design, CAD/CAM
>*Office:630099,Novosibirsk-99,Gorjkogo
st.39,tel:(383-2)22-21-18,(383-2)22-17-61
>fax:(383-2)217-795,(383-2)217-978*Home tel:(383-2)69-30-13
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: mitsch@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Brett Mitsch)
Subject: Groundwater Hydrology
Keywords: Text Groundwater Hydrology
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:04:37 GMT

Excuse me,
I have a problem in that I require a text book for a masters class on 
groundwater hydrology titled"Groundwater Hydrology" by Bouwer published in 
1978 by the Mcgraw Hill company. It is unfortunately unavailable in 
Australia except by waiting for 8 weeks. However the semester will be half 
over by then. If anybody in the U.S. can check out to see whether the book 
is still available, then I would be most grateful if you could let me know. 
I could then send over a bank cheque and you could send me the book. 
Certainly a lot quicker than waiting for 8 weeks. I apologise if this 
message is in the wrong section but I have not used the e-mail system often.

Thanks,
Brett Mitsch
Monash University
Melbourne
Australia
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: Allison Schriver <SCHR@UNB.CA>
Subject: Call for papers
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:21:23 GMT
From: sngattan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Sanjay N Gattani)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Image processor?
Date: 21 Jul 1992 11:24:16 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hello:

	Can anyone provide me with some information on image processing
softwares that are available in the market?  Please send me an email
at the following address

			sngattan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
			sg@civil.ce.ksu,edu    

						sanjay
From: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: Is there a continuity equation in elasticity
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:35:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu

Subject: Is there a continuity equation in elasticity?
Hi, 
I have a question on the governing equations of solid mechanics:
Do we have continuity equation of mass in solid mechanics?
Or it is not necessary, or is it implied in other governing equations?

If possible, please reply to this account. Thanks.

JTR Smith
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Can engineering be automated?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:49:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.174628.25417@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rizzo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (anthony.r.rizzo) writes:
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Not no. Yes.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: carmijo@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Armijo)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:55:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Russian textbooks in Engineering & Applied Math
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: sci.engr

In sci.engr, hbudiman@athena.mit.edu (H.T. Budiman) writes:

>    I was wondering if anybody knows the bookstore where I can purchase classic
>    translated Russian engineering (Applied Mechanics) and Applied Math books 
>    (i.e books by Muskhelishvili, Ambartsumyan, Lekhnitskii, etc) that were published 
>    by the MIR Publisher Moscow.

>    H.T. Budiman

You might try the Stanford University Bookstore (Palo Alto, CA).  They
have a *wonderful* selection of engineering texts.  Last year, I picked up
a (translated) copy of a Russian book on communications.  It's an 
excellent text.

Chris
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: weems@cse.uta.edu (Bob Weems)
Subject: CIM graph
Summary: Need machine-readable form
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:16:58 GMT

In support of concurrent engineering research, I could really use
a machine-readable version of the flowcharts in the following book.
If you have such, I would sure appreciate it.

Design Rules for a CIM System, by R.W. Yeomans, A. Choudry and P.J.W.
ten Hagen, North-Holland, 1985.

Bob Weems
Associate Professor
weems@cse.uta.edu
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