From: isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: double blind
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:15:12 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <GISLE.92Sep25170507@gyda.ifi.uio.no>, gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr) writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.153507.11543@tc.cornell.edu> homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith) writes:
> 
>> Now I am not not really familiar here with the factual 
>> disagreements you have with Scientology, but can you oblige me
>> by stating one clear belief or claim of Scientology that you
>> can demonstrate or prove false beyond a shadow of a doubt.
> 
> There is a number of beliefs in Scientlogy that can be proven false
> beyond shadow of doubt if one are willing to believe in other
> sources.  For example, the Hawaiian volcanos described in the
> Xemu story didn't exist (according to conventinal geology) those
> million years ago Hubbard states the volcano incident took place;

   I really don't think that this is accurate.  The only place I have ever
read anything about Xemu or Hawaiian volcanoes is on this newsgroup and
in a couple of books that are otherwise filled with demonstratable
falsehoods.  From what I have read several points of the Xemu story are
completely contrary to Church teachings.

   Not that other things that are in Scientology Scripture aren't 
equally strange or even more weird sounding (read History of Man for 
example).  But if you are going to use this as an example of how 
Scientology can be proven 'false beyond a shadow of a doubt' you should
first demonstrate that this is a legitimate belief of the Church.


> the theory that toxins and radiation is stored in fatty tissues and
> released through sweating and exercise is at odds with conventional
> medical science; 

   I don't really think that this is accurate either.  First of all,
LOTS of doctors and members of conventional medical science have done
the purification program.  Why would they participate in something that
is at odds with conventional medical science?  Secondly, convential
medical science is filled with contradictions and disreprencys.  Wether
medicine agrees with the purif or not depends entirely on which doctor
you ask.

   For example, before I did my purification program I had to get a 
physical and medical approval to participate.  I asked my doctor about
someone's post that said that the body's fat cells were recycled every
twenty-one days (I hope I got that correct)  I was told that it
was not correct.  My doctor said that by the time your body reaches
maturity, you have all the fat cells that you will ever have.  You don't
grow more or lose more, although the existing cells may get larger or 
smaller.

   Anyway, I'm not trying to prove a point on medicine one way or the
other.  I don't have a medicine degree.  All I am saying is that
there is considerable disagreement in the field of medicine, so that
saying that the purif contradicts known medical evidence kind of avoids
the real issue:  Does it or doesn't it Release someone from the
restimulative effects of drugs and chemical toxins?

   Anyway, using unproven rumors about Scientology's belief in Xemu
and prehistoric thetan-volcanoes to show that Scientology can be proven
wrong beyond a shadow of doubt is just a teensy-bit irresponsible
isn't it?  I mean its hardly "scientific".

   To your credit though, I think your idea about the experiment with
the computer and the sealed room is a good one.  I think you might
see something like that one day, but I doubt you will find a willing
subject until the ethics situation on this planet is handled.  
I know you probably think I'm avoiding the question with this, and I
apoligize for frustrating you, but the facts are if a scientologist
did your experiment today and succeeded their life would be over.
It really doesn't take a genius to see that one.  Its not that I'm 
trying to avoid being pinned down on this point or anything, its just
that this planet is not a safe place to do an experiment like that.
That is what Scientology is handling.


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