From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Digger Indians, NAMBLA, blah, blah, blah...
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:13:51 GMT
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <11752@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <5y4m_ck.phil@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

># a bullet for themselves :-) ), and the truly wondrous practice of the
># Digger tribe of practicing ...

Isn't 'Digger' considered pejorative these days?

Don't answer please...

Now onto the rest:

>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>I can make myself popular on USENET again -- all I have to say is that I'm not 
>disturbed by the support for North American Man-Boy Love Association in the 
>homosexual community.  Being popular at a child's expense isn't worth it.

I don't know if that will work.

I'm not sure that you were ever popular!   8^)

But seriously, what do you hope to accomplish by continuing the thread?

Your FOA arguments have value.  They have convinced at least one person
(Brian Kane) that legislation along the lines of AB101 are not the way
to make progress.  Your arguments along these lines often find
inconsistancies in the other's line of reasoning.

On the other hand, except for flushing out some support for NAMBLA,
and a refusal of some homosexuals to distance themselves completely
from NAMLBA, you have not accomplished anything other than consuming a
large amount of bandwidth and pissing off a lot of people who would
like to discuss subjects pertinent to the newsgroup.  It is a noble
goal to want to protect children from sexual abuse - but do your
postings do anything to accomplish that? 

Does focusing only on what you read to be disproportionate abuse by
homosexual men on children and your attempts to get every single
homosexual to say "I disapprove of NAMBLA" effectively address the issue?

How do these current tactics do so?

At this time there are very few if any people who read the *.politics
groups who do not know your position on NAMBLA, and your beliefs with
regard to correlation of child abuse->homosexuality, and
homosexuality=mental illness.  We know you are disturbed by the
support of NAMBLA you see in the homosexual community. 

We know what you believe.

You have told us many times.

In many different ways.

I doubt any more statements *along the same lines* as you have been
making are going to change anyones mind about this subject. I doubt
any more of the same will mobilize anyone to act further against child
molestation. I anticipate more of the same will bring more of what you
have been getting: stonewalling, useless arguments, and personal
attacks. 

What am I missing?  What do you hope to accomplish?  No, don't answer
that, I know that already. Instead, please answer:


    How do your continued postings to these groups help you to 
    reach those goals?
	

I don't think you can show they do.

It is time to either:

   1. Dig(ger) in and continue hopelessly, or

   2. Retreat, develop a totally new approach with 
      undeniable evidence, come back and win people over, or

   3. Quit. 

--
dave
manley@optilink.com
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