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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Renamo
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:27:13 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.

In article <2998.2B0D2CA9@catpe.alt.za> Pedro.Buccellato@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Pedro Buccellato) writes:
>                     "Understanding Mozambique"
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>                             * RENAMO *
>                  Resistencia Nacional Mocambicana
>                  (Mozambican National Resistance)
>
>Introduction
>------------
>
>Renamo is  a much misunderstood organisation  with a reputation second
>only to Hitler's  Nazis, yet nothing could be  further from the truth.
>In this series of articles I hope  to shed some light on the matter.


[A VERY FOOLISH POSTING DELETED]


My dear idiot,

I am busy right now. But I can assure you, when I come back I will flame
you to death!!! Remember to put me in your killfile before going to bed
tonite.

Sincerely,
Joa.

: Pedro.Buccellato@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
>via:  THE CATALYST BBS in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.
>       (catpe.alt.za)   +27-41-34-1122 HST or +27-41-34-2859, V32bis & HST.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Bye bye Mweene (Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:23:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: frcs.1992Nov15.182355.20162
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria

Thus spake pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene):

> And if they feel that the net is frequented by intellectuals then it is the
> perfect forum on which to disseminate their propaganda. He felt that many
> of the posters on the net were not students, but rather members of "staff"
> masquerading as faculty (he made it clear that this was merely a suspicion)
> In retrospect this seemed to make sense because there are certain people
> who seem to have limitless computer accounts.

Well, there may be spies and government-employed propagandists on the
net. I am certainly not one of them. Your approach to white South
Africans seems to be (1) any concerns they voice are insincere (2)
they are liars (3) they de facto support apartheid (4) they are de
facto racists (5) when all else fails, they are spies.

I've had enough. You are about to have the dubious honour of being put
in my kill file. The only other person who lives there Jack
Schmidling, a neo-nazi whose racist rantings I couldn't stomach
either. I'm sure the two of you will get on just fine.

I don't hate you or anybody else. Your blind hatred of us serves no
constructive purpose on this group, and I'm taking myself out of its
range.

Linda
 
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Linda Jacobson				'That's fine, boy, never mind
Department of Medicine			 the tulips.'
Faculty of Vet Science			     
Onderstepoort, South Africa			(Hunter S. Thompson)
From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Gay AFRICANS OSELE
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:45:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxtz7r.Ht9
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov12.125934.1863@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>I did live in Zaire in a small village in Bas-Zaire.  In 
>a nearby village lived two women whom the villagers considered
>to be married.  They lived in the same house, were partners and
>were not related.  No one in that village found it odd that
>they were married persons (to each other) of the same sex.  That
>particular village was far from "Frenchized" Kinshasa and far
>from a main road.  There is my three cents.


An interesting story; but you have to do better this to justify the 10%
assertition you made. There are so many bad things that happen in an
African village and they never get swept "under the rug". For instance
the pratice of witchcraft to harm others. Difficult as it is to prove,
this issue usually gets addressed. I just do not agree that
homosexuality is tolerated in silence. I am quite sure, if it was as
rampant as you so allege, it would have been adressed openly by the 
"conservative villagers".

The point here really is if homosexuality is there, give us the
evidence of its' existence, not making unwieldly statement like you did
that does not do Africa good, something Africa desparately needs and
deserves. The larger theme in all this dicussion on the net aught to be
about Africa getting a balanced representation on its own merits or
demerits, not to constantly used as a pawn to advance/wage other
people's agendas/wars. This is what we aught to be striving for.

Itiakorit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Scandal(s) of the day
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:08:34 GMT

mark please e- mail me... I've been trying to get through to you for a
while... 
madimetja
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Upcoming trade war
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:27:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <2918.2B07E82D@catpe.alt.za> Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Wally Walters) writes:
>
> AV> I'd like there to be a discussion of how any upcoming trade war
> AV> between the US and the EC will affect Africa.  I am quite concerned.
>
>The core idea that we "Business Africans" of various colours and
>political persuasions throughout the continent begin to believe
>is that the "war" will be a good thing!


I honestly believe that if they occupy themselves with each other then we be
to our own devices and hopefully we will make something positive out of it.




makala
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Kalla Botha on Ferdi Barnard (Was Re: Scandal alert: more to follow
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:11:25 GMT
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria

After featuring a soft-spoken Ferdi Barnard claiming (probably
correctly) that he is being used as a scapegoat by authorities with
all kinds of things to hide, 702 this morning featured a character analysis 
by Kalla Botha, who claimed that his friend Ferdi is a caring, sensitive
individual. "Yes," said Kalla, "I could say that that is the real
Ferdi."

[For those who don't know, both individuals concerned were/are (at the very
least) members of increasingly notorious SA government-sponsored hit
squads. Ferdi was quoted in court as bragging about what a good shot
he was/is and how good he was/is at covering up his killings.]

Linda

 
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Linda Jacobson				'That's fine, boy, never mind
Department of Medicine			 the tulips.'
Faculty of Vet Science			     
Onderstepoort, South Africa			(Hunter S. Thompson)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:55:46 EST
From: <AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African women and Education(TODAY IN AFRICA)
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov18.133133.13498@cs.wayne.edu>, faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu
(Felicitas A. Atabong) says:
>
>Once again I watched part of TODAY IN AFRICA this morning, and here
>comes more disgust. The reporters have once again made the mistake so
>many out there make ... the mistake in generalization. Today there was
>talk about the African woman. I agreed with the part that they are the
>back-bone of African countries but have been suppressed for centuries,
>but my problem came when the generalization was made that African women
>'still' can't go to school, compared to the men. My mother, I know

I think there is still some truth in this statement. However things are
changing and it only behoves us to keep on pushing for equality on this level.
If you belong to the middle class in Africa, this statement does not make much
sense since "girls," and "women" are usually sent to school by their parents
or family. But in the rural areas the assertion is not far off the mark.
I know that in parts of Nigeria, especially the south, girls often go to school
almost as much as the boys. However, in the north, it was a little different.
This too is changing.I'm not sure anyone needs to go ballistic over a statemen
t like that. Part of our role as Africans is to correct mistaken impressions,
be critical of our selves and society when need be, and to educate the uninform
ed or misinformed about Africa.

countries, but in
>mine, today, parents insist that "all" their children go to school, and
>if NBC couldn't afford to check out every issue in every country, they
>should be careful about making generalizations!
>
>Feli.

Akin Akioye

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: cm752@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Angie R. Hougas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Somalia actions
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:58:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Tuesday Nov 17 I called Senator Paul Simon's Washington Office.
I was informed that the Senator is now in Somalia and I had a 
long talk with Sam Gibson in his office.  Sam (female) works with 
the Senator on African issues.  I let Sam know that there are
interested people working on the Somli crisis and I gave her a run
down on some of the thing we have been doing.
Sam's advice to me was to keep targeting the media.  Unfortunately,
senators and our political system in general does very little in
these crisis situations until it is blasted all over the media.
Let's all write our local newspapers to cover Somalia much more 
frequently.  Let's all write letters to the editor of our local
papers.
Angie Hougas
McFarland Wisconsin
From: ferr@rincewind.sun.ac.za (Johan Ferreira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:08:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Nov21.180801.9910
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu wrote:
: THANKS FOR TH WONDEFUL POSTING.. WHAT IS THE MOOD AT STELLEBOSCH ABOUT
: THE RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE SECRET GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES. 
: I WOULD ALSO WISH TO HEAR FROM  UN PRETORIA.

Ag, here in South Africa it's a question of another day, another
scandal.  The feeling is one of total apathy towards politics, 
that whatever is going to happen in South Africa's politics, 
will happen.  Everybody is concentrating on his/her own drinking
habits.

There have been so many scandals, dishonesty and corruption from 
all parties involved that people have become desensitized and
just don't care anymore.  (Doesn't this remind you of a Bart
Simpson episode on getting desensitized to violence ;)

Coming back to my question of posting in Afrikaans.  As far as
I gauge the attitude it is favourable towards postings in 
Afrikaans.  Afrikaans is taught in American schools as a germanic
language.  Also there's quite a few South Africans living
abroad, which does merit an international audience.  This is a
cultural kind of group, and subsequently this would be an 
appropriate group for postings in Afrikaans.

I don't know what the original charter for this group was, but
the strong political thread that is evident does not fit in
a soc.culture.* group, I think.  For that there is 
sanet.talk.politics.  It would be interesting to see the 
original charter though.

Johan Ferreira
ferr@rincewind.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross)
Subject: Re: Gay AFRICANS OSELE
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.164529.18320@panix.com>, mukasa@panix.com (Michael Mukasa) writes:
|> In <Bxtz7r.Ht9@acsu.buffalo.edu> osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >The point here really is if homosexuality is there, give us the
|> >evidence of its' existence, not making unwieldly statement like you did
|> 
|> >Itiakorit
|> 
|> You have hit the nail on the head.  I have come to believe that these
|> people cannot believe that because a disgusting and 'sick' vice is
|> prevelant and growing in their society, 

Actually, what makes _me_ suspicious that homosexuality (observed in
vertebrates in general) might also exist in Africans in spite of such
statements as the one above is the moralistic tone - in Western society
we are used to seeing this voice used when covering things up (sometimes 
from the speaker as well as the audience). If I was a gay African, what 
would I gain from telling Kiggundu about it?    -Bill Ross

it also has to be prevelant in
|> ours. They cannot for an instant stomach the possibility that there can be
|> something in our society that is better than theirs.  Next they will be
|> saying that psychotic, canibalistic mass murders who have sex with dead
|> bodies, like Geffry Domler (Sp?) are also prevelant in our society.  What
|> percentages are they going to give us for this one??  African society has
|> been influenced by the west but we are not and I repeat NOT in the moral
|> abyss your society is.  
|> 
|> Kiggundu.
|>
From: whlbre01@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:18:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Nov22.161842.203300
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Nov20.211358.4593@panix.com>, mukasa@panix.com (Michael Mukasa) writes:
> A small note on posting in Afrikkans.
> if I came from a culture that esposed laws that had been condemed by the
> world and had the blood of tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives on
> its hands, I would not be raising my head in pride.  Since most of the
> people who READ and not necessarily POST here  are probably Africans who
> identify and empathise with the oppressed majority in South Africa, I
> would suggest you help the healing process by refraining from angering
> readers on this net.

While the majority of Afrikaaners probably supported apartheid, this doesn't
make apartheid a part of Afrikaaner culture. Should Iraquis avoid using their
language so as not to offend Kurds? Perhaps Croats might be offended on
reading/hearing Serbian? Are you aware that a section of the oppressed majority
(the 'coloured' community) actually speaks Afrikaans?

If you've read their English postings, you'd see that most (or all) of the
Afrikaaners that post here do not support apartheid. Why should they abandon
their culture/language because of what other Afrikaaners have done? 

I haven`t noticed anyone else offended by the use of Afrikaans - most of the
comments were along the lines of `use a language we all understand, or at
least translate.'


--
Brendt Wohlberg
Electronic Engineering Department
University of Cape Town
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: g89r4222@kudu.ru.ac.za (Geoff Rehmet)
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:56:36 GMT

In <GT0SBGGC@cc.swarthmore.edu> imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng) writes:

>ferr@cs.sun.ac.za <Johan Ferreira> writes:

>> I'm not a regular reader of this group, but it doesn't take much to 
>> figure out that Paul Mweene is a very prominent target in this group.
>> I've also notice an article unmasking Paul as a fake, which would
>> explain his insincerity.
>out of curiosity, i fingered Paul to confirm that news that he is a "fake"
>and, unless my inquiry went to some out of the way site, a Paul Mweene does
>exists and the account that he is posting from is in his name.

>i figure somebody made a serious mistake and they need to post a retraction
>of their ealier statement thhat paul is a fake.

The information you get when you finger someone isn't really
worth ****, except for the login name :-).  Ever heard of chfn,
passwd -f, chpass, or whatever your system uses for changing
finger information?
Just to prove this, try finger g89r4222@braae.ru.ac.za !

(BTW - I'm not saying that PMM is or isn't a fake - who knows,
but he certainly has interesting working hours ;-)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Posting language (was Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana!)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 08:57:50 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
>Ek weet dat Engels die Usenet taal is, maar aangesien hierdie 'n
>soc.* groep is, dink ek dis geregverdig om in 'n "soc.african" taal
>te skryf.  Wat is die gevoel van andere?

By posting in Afrikaans you are automatically excluding a large portion
of s.c.a readers from understanding your post - I would guess, the
majority of readers.  I don't think it's very polite.  On the other hand,
English is at least a second language for most Usenet readers, and most
people are tolerant of errors in spelling, grammar etc.

Why not set up a soc.culture or sanet group specifically for posting
in Afrikaans?  (sanet.* gets pretty wide propagation these days, I 
believe :-)

>Een skrywer het voorheen opgemerk dat daar skaars Afrikaansprekendes
>is wat hierdie groep lees.  

Not at all, I said that there are few Afrikaans _posters_.  The stats
have changed in the last couple of days, of course :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Positive aspects of culture (was Re: GAY AFRICANS AGAIN PAUL)
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:56:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov20.102445.164@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet) writes:
>  The opposing 
>viewpoint is that homosexuality is entirely natural and occurs in
>every population, therefore homosexual people must occur in Africa 
>as well as everywhere else.

This view is predicated upon racist sentiments. Because Homosexuality is an
abominable practise,they would like to associate it with Africans who have never 
even heard about it. On the other hand because Genius is an envied and highly
desired trait, they try  disassociate it from Africans even when they have
displayed it, eg: the Ancient Egyptian civilization.
>
>
>every population, I think it's been demonstrated amply in this group
>that abhorrence and suppression of homosexuality are part of African 
>culture,            ^^^^^^^^^^^^i

This is based upon a mistaken assumption. To suppress something you have to
have considered it.  While it is possible that Some Africans might conceive of 
it, they probablyt regarded it as much of a  possibility as say putting 
out your eye with the tip of an arrow. Something you could do, but should not
and never do.

The difference seems to be that other people have agreed that there is something
and a way in which you be attracted to and love another man. They actually look
at another man and lust for him.
 >
>and the industrial revolution.  There are negative aspects of indigenous 
>African culture - superstition, oppression of women - which have 
>certainly been part of Western culture but are slowly being eradicated 
>with better education and other benefits of the industrial revolution.

I don't think superstition is an entirely African thing. For one thing 
fortune telling is a big buisness here and so too is the belief in an
unseen god.

Ignorant people look at and regard the position of the African woman to
be completely powerless. This is not true. For while the African woman
has less power than the man, there are certain domain in which she has
the absolute exclusive power. Outsiders looking in don't understand this. 
They don't bother to learn about us because they don't respect us. So they
dont know anything about us.

On the other hand we know about them because they have forced us to learn
about them and becuse they are always spilling their dirty linen in public.
We don't like everything we see. The industrial revolution has been used
to replace western culture, which many criticised, and there for remnders a lot
of your submission irrelevent

makala
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:22:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <By5r9w.BB7@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> gds@cs.uct.ac.za writes:
>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>>To start with, this dialect, Afrikaans is the reason why 1000 children 
>>were massacared by boers in 1976 (WHEN THEY REFUSED TO LEARN IT). 
>
>Ahem, minor point: the children were not massacred when they refused to 
>learn Afrikaans.  Indirectly yes, but not directly.

Minor point to you indeed. Killing blakcs has always been a minor thing to 
whites. "Indirectly yes, but not directly", what is this?

  Firstly, they did not
>their position).  They got killed in the fighting that broke out as a result 
>of their protest marches (which weren't paragons of peaceful protest).

Small children armed with stones against Boers armed to the teeth is fighting
to you. Shows you to us doesn't it?

> Then  what should we do to blacks whose native tongue is Afrikaans, are they
>Are they boere as well?
>Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za

Which blacks are these, vendas, Zulus, Tswanas, Sothos, Fengus, Shangaans, 
Xhosas or what? It is amazing that today a white man would invoke a black
man when all these years the policy was to make them foreigners in their own
country.

makala
From: cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Bad joke inside -- sad but true..
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:11:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: unpcs1.cscoging.26.722099481
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, UNP
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc092.cc.unp.ac.za

Original bad joke:

>   Q: What's the latest status symbol in Jo'burg?

>   A: A job.

New bad joke:

   Q: What's the latest status symbol in Natal?

   A: I'm still alive

Never try to teach a pig to sing
It wastes your time and annoys the pig
                               - Robert Heinlein