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From: mabr@sweden.hp.COM (Morgan the Dreamer Broman)
Subject: Kill from behind in Sweden !
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10: 55:18 METDST
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:56:16 GMT

	Greetings to the Rialto !

	Someone asked about "kill from behind", since we have had a small mal-
function in our network here I have lost the original message.

	Here in Nordmark we have praticed "kill from behind" for the last two
years and with one exception everybody likes it very much. The way we play it
is very simple :

	1) Attacker has to make the defender aware of his prescence, without
	   hitting him/her. Physical contact is a MUST, not just the call.
	
	2) Defender has to make every effort to acknowledge the presence of the
	   attacker. Repeted neglect will cause the marshals to take you of the
	   field.

	3) When the attacker calls "kill from behind", the defender is already
	   DEAD. The call is just to make the defender aware of the FACT.

	We have taken away stupid rules like "..weapon before your eyeslots..."
etc, they just cause trouble. If the attacker calls before he has aquired phy-
sical contact and you turn around and meet him/her, that is NO KILL. One of the
favourite ways now is to foul the oppnents weapon and scream in his ear, works
great. We have very few arguments and/or "borderline cases" with this system.
It adds a lot of realism to the fighting. You have to be very much aware of
whats happening around you on the field, no more people getting hit from behind
or from blind sides. Less headaches more FUN. We have also worked with scouts
carrying javelins and are now starting to work with combat archery. Almost all
of us thinks it is fun, since it adds more realism and more of a tactical chal-
lenge for our commanders. We have to have tactical reserves, shields have to be
there to protect the spearmen and polearms etc.

--
Morgan "the Dreamer" Broman			mabr@sweden.hp.com
a.k.a Morgan deGrey (in the S.C.A)
a.k.a Morlacad "Shade" ShadowHawk (in L.R.P.G)
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From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Dancing at Pennsic
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:52:38

*Disclaimer* I'm not going to Pennsic, so I can't help out.  Nor have I 
 ever been...
     Are there not enough folks who already know the dances to be able 
 to call from within the sets?  If you don't try to *teach* any dances 
 at the ball, forcing interested parties to attend earlier classes, then 
 you should be able to use this.
     In such a situation, the loudspeaker should be a last resort.  I 
 don't think I'd be too offended, as I remember similar difficulties at 
 dance *symposiums*, where we all obstensively attended for the purpose 
 of dancing......
       Gwenllian CfM

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Morris Dance info needed
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:41:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: SCA

>to all those interested gentiles in morris dancing, i would suggest
                         ^^^^^^^^ 
>posting to alt.wicca ...they would be most able to answer a question
>of this sort....;)

Only gentiles...  You're probably right, the Banu Israel have better sense
than most Franks.  At least it's better than the posting some months
ago inviting all good "genitals" to do something or other.

Hossein/Greg
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Anti-SCA/wargaming attitudes (was Pentacles)
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:52:36 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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Moreach NicMaolain (Suze Hammond) writes:

>Well, there are the major fundamentalist churches (which generally have 
>bigger fish to fry anyway) and the Loonies for Christ, :-) who give them a 
>bad name, while picking old folk's pockets.

>We do have to remember that we ought try not to generalize about *anyone*.

Of course, you've just done a pretty good job of generalizing about 
the *minor* fundamentalist churches.

-- Nicholas van Leyden
Organization: Mountain Confederation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:46:32 EDT
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Mt. Clan Piper's Competition?

Lady Bro/nach asks:

>I believe the Confederation of the Mountain Clans has made it tradition
>to host a bagpiping competition at war.

>Might someone of the clan be able to tell me when this year's
>competition will be?

As of the last issue of the Caterwauls, the Mountain Confederation newsletter,
the Bagpipers' competition will take place Tuesday evening.  All pipers are
welcome to come visit and play even if not competing.

Once at the war, it couldn't hurt to check the camp announcement board at the
Confederation main gate. We're a rather chaotic bunch, and I can't guarantee
that our schedule won't change.

Extra incentive for pipers: their royal majesties of the East have appointed
the Mountain Confederation to be "The Queen's Own Highland Regiment", so we'll
be attending lots of courts and processions in Scottish garb.

Pipers (and drummers!) interested in accompanying Confed about and making lots
of noise should contact our Head Piper, Lord Niall MacFarlane at:

      grs01171@conrad.appstate.edu

                                            Therion


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     internet:        ||    Therion Calgate     ||   of course we like pipers.
 hzs@psuvm.psu.edu    || Mountain Confederation ||   what do you think makes
                      ||        Warlord         ||   our fighters so mean?
   I said what?       ||   of House Decadence   ||
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p.s. yup, the name changed from Confederation of the Mountain Clans to simply
"The Mountain Confederation" three or four years ago. I *said* we were chaotic!
From: z_berryrw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Rapier Combat, (To Swash or Not to Swash)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:56:45 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Jul21.230205.20550@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
> In article <Brr8x3.5J4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> icklinck@cayley.waterloo.edu (Ian "Rhys" Klinck) writes:
>>His Grace asks why rapier combat should be allowed  . . .
>>3) Most importantly, the people of the Society want it! 
> 
> Perhaps that should be "*Some* of the people . . . want it."
>         Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
>         Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)

In this organization, "*Some* of the people" is all it takes.
I like it, so I do it.  If you don't like it (and I'm not presuming that you
don't) then just don't do it!

We're flexble enough to allow differences of opinion.  Just go have fun!
That, if anything, is the only hard-and-fast rule in the SCA.
To quote the late Benny Hill misquoting Ben Franklin:
  "Do not put off until tomorrow what you can do today, 'cause if you
   do it today and like it, you can do it again tomorrow!"

Wolfrick Thorinsson, Shire of Greywood, Ansteorra

From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Subject: Society of Archer-Antiquaries
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:23:26 GMT


Hallo!,

For all of you future archery Laurels out there, I ran across this in
the alt.archery newsgroup on Usenet recently.

Adam Karpowicz (akarpowicz@mta.ca) write:

To become a member of the Society of Archer-Antiquaries contact:
Douglas Elmy, Honorary Secretary, 61 Lambert Rd., Bridlington, E.Yorks,
Y016 5RD, UK.  For a yearly subs. of 7 pounds you get an issue of the
Journal + contacts with (very) knowledgable people, especially
in history of archery of all countries of the world.

In service,

Mikjal Annarbjorn
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Subject: "Twinkie" names and "of X"
From: z_berryrw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:22:59 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Jul22.193235.13030@watson.ibm.com>, mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:

...section deleted about patronymics as exceptions to
   the "twinkie names" objection...

> The problem becomes even trickier when we observe that names in some
> languages did not always use articles or prepositions or a genitive case.
> Consider a name like the French "Pierre Cheval".  Is this properly
> translated "Peter Horse" or "Peter the Horse" or "Peter of the Horse"?  The
> name is most likely to have been the name of a merchant of horses, or the
> owner of a particularly noticeable horse.  In Middle English, the proper
> translation is "Peter Horse", but that doesn't carry the right meaning in
> modern English.  If you want people in the SCA to understand the name as it
> would have been understood in period, you have to use "Peter of the Horse".
> Is this going too far?  Does it sacrifice too much of medieval grammar for
> modern comprehension?  Perhaps so, perhaps not.  I am certainly not
> convinced strongly enough to condemn the second choice.
> 
> ===========================================================================
> Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com

Arval,

I believe that an appropriate translation of Pierre Cheval might be
"Horse Peter."
The whole epithet question seems to revolve around the apropriatness
of the particular epithet.  
My original persona is 10C. Viking, perhaps the easiest for which to find a
period name.  My name is orthodox Viking naming practice; name, patronymic,
place of origin: Ulfrikr Thorinsson av Gotland.  That would be, in English,
Wolfrick, son of Thorin, from the isle of Gotland.
But there is no epithet there.  If someone asked "which Wolfrick?" the answer
could be "Big Wolfrick," or "Long Haired Wolfrick," or "Singer Wolfrick" or
any of a bunch of applicable little adjectives.  These could surely be
translated as for example, "Wolfrick of the Long Hair," but I am not from a 
place called "Long Hair" so the English style translation has lost meaning.
The term "twinkie" I think needs a less loaded synonym.  If you can't think of 
a better way to object to someones (researched, period style) name than to call
it "twinkie" because it had modern (intended or not) connotations, then perhaps
you shouldn't object out loud.  The Heralds of Ansteorra (through osmosis, not
instruction) have taught me an imprtant rule of heraldry, which I think applies
also to naming.  It is the "Rule of Toyota," simply "You wanted it, you got
it! (Now live with it)"

Wolfrick Thorinsson, Shire of Greywood, Ansteorra
From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Moderation (was pentagrams)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:34:52 GMT
Organization: Old, old, curmudgeon

In article <1992Jul23.171721.33@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>Is there anyone who is familiar with the internal policies practiced
>by the Nazis who can look at that symbol and not at least shudder--at
>act to make sure such actions do not recur?

	***SIGH***

	Hal, I fear me that most of the people now in the SCA don't remember Vietnam
all that clearly, much less WWII . . . 
	This may not be true of Rialtans (especially the noisy old curmudgeons :-),
but who was it that said "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it"?

	One of the (very important) jobs of elders (thee & me, it seems) is to keep
reminding those young whipper-snappers of our history and the lessons learned in it.
Even when they're bored out of their minds by us cackling and drooling over the same
old war stories -- it is necessary!

**drool**


-- 
Sam'l Bassett -- System Administrator 	      (among other silly things)
Work: DSC/Optilink, 1310-C Redwood Wy, Petaluma CA 94954; 1-707-792-7253
Internet: samlb@optilink.com 		      UUCP: uunet!optilink!samlb
From: bnostran@ds5000.dac.northeastern.EDU (Solveig Throndardottir)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Cha-no-yu
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:09:04 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Nobles!

A small group of us will be gathering for tea at Pennsic.  I will be
camping at heralds point.  Thus, any gentle with an interest in tea
should consider contacting me there.  We will perform a chabako-temae.
Those who have kaishi, fukusa, etc. should bring them.

					Your Humble Servant
					Solveig Throndardottir
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From: GEN0036@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki)
Subject: Generalizations (was Re: Televangelists)
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:37:10 GMT
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Marco Landin (do you have a Society name, m'lord?) writes in response to my
statement about generalizations:

> > Well, *I* didn't agree to not generalize about people, I was simply
> > correcting the previous poster as to what the poster before was
> > generalizing about... :) I think when one generalizes, one should be very
> > careful to make sure one is correct. I don't believe in never generalizing
> 	
> 	Actually, you can't make a general statement regarding generalizations,
> BECAUSE NOT EVERY GENERALIZATION IS A FALSE STATEMENT.  At the risk of
> sounding Politically Incorrect (feh) I believe that some generalizations
> are correct.  Like the fact that ALL SCA members dress funny on occasion. 
> (yes, I know:  DEFINE FUNNY)  Also, there's the one about all humans
> breathing air.  It's true! I've seen it!

Well, yeah, like right now I'm wearing mundanes ;)

> 	One simply has to be careful that, when quoting the truth as they see it,
> they don't accidentally spew a FALSE generalization.
> 	One of my best friends is a Born-Again Xtian.  We show up to Household
> meetings, and I'm wearing my black shirt that says PAGAN in big white
> block letters, and he's wearing his white shirt that says WARRIOR FOR
> CHRIST in Conan letters with a crusader sword through it.  We even traded
> off shirts one night!

Actually, I find that the Born-Agains and a few other people like that are
often easier to deal with, since being a relatively new religion they tend
to know at least what they are talking about them, since many are converts.
It's the zombie mode people who just go to church on Sunday that cause most
of the problems (my opinion)... They have this fixed set of values that has
been stuck in there since birth. It's weird.

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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Guns 'n' Armour (was: Re
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:11:36 GMT

In article <711609696.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis) writes:

>Nicholas wrote:

>>Oh, dear.  I thought I had cited an example of someone accidentally
>>discharging a bow at a powerline... at an SCA event, no less.  Let's      
>>see, to accidentally discharge a pistol (with the safety off), one needs  
>>to pick it up and pull the trigger.  To accidentally discharge a cross-   
>>bow, one needs to pick it up and pull the trigger.  Doesn't seem that     
>>much harder to me.  Do all crossbows even have safeties?                  

>Nicholas cited an example of a drunk who intentionally shot at a
>powerline while thinking it was a tree limb.

>A crossbow is *obviously* loaded and ready to fire, where as it is
>far less obvious with most guns.  I've rarely seen crossbows left
>in a ready-to-fire position when they were not in use, but this is
>easier to do with guns.

I'm afraid not.  It is easy to tell when firearms are loaded: always.
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T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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From: z_berryrw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Rattan Alternatives?
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:12:43 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Unto the Rialto, veritably unto all the Known World, Wolfrick Thorinsson
sends greetings and well wishes

Recently, the Ansteorran Marshallate approved a new material for construction
of (thrusting only) Spear shafts.  This material is called fiberglass, but
I've been told that it's really called "poltruded resin."  Specific
authorization for this particular weapon is required, and each fighter must
have the authorization noted on his/her fighter card.

Where all this is going is simply this:

What new materials are under consideration as alternatives to rattan for 
striking weapons?

I believe that the armor and weapon regs for Ansteorra allow for non-rattan
striking weapons like axes and maces, but hafts and handles are still
mostly rattan.

If anyone knows of alternatives, potential alternatives or has suggestions,
I'd be interested to hear about them, as would others short on rattan.

If this is a FAQ, then just scream "crossbow loaded left!" and e-mail to me.
If not, let's start a new thread in the great loom of the Rialto.

Wolfric Thorinsson, Shire of Greywood, Ansteorra
                   (Mundanely Nacogdoches, Texas)
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Moderation (was pentagrams)
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <archer.136@utkux1.utk.edu> archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.212906.13026@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>
>>Which bums out of which offices?  "Live and let live" is an ideal I
>>relly like, but I'm enough of a realist to know that it doesn't always
>>work and that one should pick battles that one has at least a chance
>>of winning.  Nor do I think that forcing others to help fight the
>>fight one believes in is that great an idea.
>
>So when the lotus-eating mundanes out Caid-way decide that combat as a sport 
>is too violent for their delicate sensabilites, well ban that too, to aviod 
>trouble, eh?

Please permit me a gentle correction, m'lord . . .

Don't worry about such lotus-eaters as there are in Caid.  While great
epics (and many not-so-great epics) come from there, the ones not far
from the Great Western Ocean to be concerned about are those located
in the Shire of Cloondara and their influence upon certain bodies of
lawgivers in the Province of Golden Rivers.  Both of these locals are
within the West. . .

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
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Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
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From: sherman@localhost ("Dennis R. Sherman")
Subject: Antler chandeliers
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:46:26 GMT

>Derlith asks
>
>>> Can I use Antlers in all of my decorating?

And Dafydd replies, mentioning a print of a hanging chandelier 
constructed of antlers with bronze dragon.

I can confirm the print Dafydd has in mind is by Durer, but I can go 
one (or two) better.  Durer did several designs for hanging 
chandeliers based on antlers.  There are a number of antler 
chandeliers extant, and while I wouldn't put one in my living room, I 
don't think they are all entirely ugly.  I'll provide bibliographic 
references with page numbers via email to those that request it.  
Offhand, I think I know of perhaps half a dozen color plates, and as  
many black and white, with some of those being Durer's engravings.

And I agree with Dafydd that this kind of article is entirely 
appropriate for Germans of the early 16th century -- I know of no 
examples from other times or places.

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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Steward's office restructuring.
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:22:40 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul28.180307.25421@progress.com> schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:

>Herewith, the section of a letter I penned during lunch today, to the
>Steward:
[letter deleted]
>As you may expect, I will post her answer to the Rialto when I receive it.

I think it might be courteous to tell Hilary that you post her letters to
you in a public forum before you post them. I don't want to now spend endless
bandwith rules-lawyering about whether you have the *right* to post private
letters publicly. I do think it would be polite to inform her first, since
we do value courtesy in the Society, and given that she does not want to
appear on public nets for fear of giving the impression of setting policy
when she does not intend to.

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West

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