HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:59:31 GMT

edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:

>>Newsflash:
>> 
>>Sunday StarNews Sunday, August 30, 1992
>> 
>>Police Blotter
>> 
>> 
>>	A racially motivated violent incident was reported to have
>>	occured just after 10pm on August 29. A white woman was trying
>>	to use a payphone at the 100 block of Greenfield St. and was
>>	attacked by three violent black men. Three black men rode by
>>	on bicycles and threw bottles at her according to police reports.
>>	They also shouted racial slurs "White bitch...." etc.

>You have to clarify how this is an attack. What is I see is three Black
>"boys" on bicycles riding by a white woman at a pay phone and one or more
>of them throws *A* bottle at her (How many bottles could they possibly be 
>carrying on bikes?)

>Did these boys stop and physically assault the woman or did they keep riding??
>This is a violent incident, but I'm not so sure that they wouldn't have
>thrown bottles at anyone who happened to be at the pay phone as they road by.

Reread, but replace white with black. Really do that, o.k. and see
how it reads to you then. It seems almost like the definition of racism.
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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:54:25 GMT

In article <17ur8lINNemg@agate.berkeley.edu>,
ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <YeceZ4m00UhWM7nVsE@andrew.cmu.edu> Dean Calloway
><dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>                         Young men see women as sexual objects.  Point
>>blank.  Its how we're taught.
>
>Not entirely, taught that is.  There's also a basic (and base) hormonal
>response operating.  The sex drive or urge to mate is about as fundamental
>to life as anything; it's what tells the species to continue.  In general,
>the control and selective suppression of our animal urges is the result of
>our civilization and culture.  It's what tells us to hold back, instead of
>tackling and having sex with every passing female we're attracted to, which
>is what would happen if we let our hormones think for us.
.
.
Tell me something.  Whose civilization?  Whose culture?  Western
Civ? or the Yoruba?
.
Thank you.

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From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:15:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.025011.17709@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.155006.29834@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>
>>Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>>Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>>in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 
>>
>>If I want to know something about Malcolm X, I'll read the
>>autobiography or his speeches.  
>>
>>-- 
>>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>>			-Joseph Beam_
>>Terrance Heath 
>>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
>
>Spike Lee hates 'em, Malcolm X couldn't care for 'em. And I'd like to beat
>one up. 
>
>zafar

You don't see the face until the eyelids drop 
you don't hear the screaming until it stops

Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy

I hope if you put your words into actions you get the same treatment as
your counterpart in this song.  I'd like to blow your brains out.

Die in agony, M.F.,
			  Warren Watts
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From: baker@rtsg.mot.com (Pam Baker)
Subject: Re: Ignorance about skin color and sunburn
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:02:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.222014.264@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.223509.7577@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 
>(KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu) Kamchatka Charlie writes:
>
>> ... the darker the skin color, the better the protection 
>> from UV radiation
>
>When I was young I used to think this was correct, that dark-skinned 
>people originated in sunny countries, and that dark skin was an
>inheiritable permanent tan. I also thought that black people could 
>spend all day in the sun and not get sunburnt. I got my complexion 
>from my Celtic ancestors (alas, not the Mediterranean ones), so I 
>burned a lot, and I envied anyone who could play outside all summer 
>with impunity. I had never seen a sunscreen ad that had a black
>person in it. (In fact, I still haven't, even in multicultural 1992.)
>
>After I got into college, I mentioned this belief about tanning and 
>sunburning to a group of people, one of whom was black. Much Grievous 
>Flame! Apparently everything I had ever known about black people was 
>wrong, and I was a stupid ignorant unredeemable honkey m*th*rf*ck*r 
>as well. I slunk away.

Look up any of the summer (may, june, july) issues of Essence magazine.
Every year, they explain that no one should be out in the sun without an SPF
protection of at least 15 (i think). to avoid sunburn.   

The reasons why their aren't any blacks in sunscreen ads is another
can of worms.  

Pam 
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:09:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1992Aug28.221649.22315@morrow.stanford.edu> by HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels):

> In article <1992Aug28.191758.9509@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes back to
> <1992Aug28.162118.22444@aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S.
> Helfman's) piece:
> .
> >>Although I agree that these guys will have a hard time getting
> >>a fair trial, I feel it's a righteous prosecution. SOMEBODY beat the
> >>shit out of Reginald Denny and somebody should do time for it.
> >>
> .
> Terrance says:
> 
> >SOMEBODY? Yeah, the same mofo's sho pulled the man from his truck and
> >were captured on videotape (really, the irony of this whole thing is
> >incredible), should serve serious time for it.  I cannot believe that
> >there are people who are actually supporting these guys. If they were
> >captured on videotape damn near beating a man to death, without
> >provocation, then what the hell is there to support?
> .
> .
> .
> Frankly, I feel sick at the double standard being practiced re the
> 4 cops and the three young brothers.  More attention is fastened on
> the white guy being beaten to the inch of his life than on what
> happened to Rodney King.  I am going to admit: yes, Rodney is crazy:
> alcoholic and then some.  But no one deserves what Rodney got from
> representatives of the state.

WHAT double standard?  King was a permanent media fixture for the better part
of a year, and will CONTINUE to do be so, since there are two sets of trials
coming up regarding HIM, the federal trials and the retrial of Powell.  How
many times have you seen the King beating on TV vs. the Denny beating?

NEITHER King nor Denny deserved what happened to them, the ravings of racists
notwithstanding.

> I don't condone the brothers.  I don't think most of those who are
> supporting them do.  I think they are mostly doing the cockeyed
> thing: supporting the hoods because Rodney was dissed and that
> attention should be focused on police violence.

I heard a group of Blacks interviewed on NPR regarding the Denny beating a few
months ago.  Let me tell you, with one notable exception, you could have sworn
it was a bunch of White bigots justifying the King beating.  It was truly 
pathetic.  If you reversed the racial terms, the conversation could have easily
taken place in an ethnic bar in Howard Beach, NY; Parma, OH or Cicero, IL.

Sorry, there are enough WHITE Klansman.  I don't think we're benefitting 
ourselves in any way by acting like Black ones....

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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 1 Sep 1992 04:23:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <YeceZ4m00UhWM7nVsE@andrew.cmu.edu> Dean Calloway
<dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>                         Young men see women as sexual objects.  Point
>blank.  Its how we're taught.

Not entirely, taught that is.  There's also a basic (and base) hormonal
response operating.  The sex drive or urge to mate is about as fundamental
to life as anything; it's what tells the species to continue.  In general,
the control and selective suppression of our animal urges is the result of
our civilization and culture.  It's what tells us to hold back, instead of
tackling and having sex with every passing female we're attracted to, which
is what would happen if we let our hormones think for us.
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:02:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0ecrTXO00iUxI204kj
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 31-Aug-92 Re: Women
Bashing by Michael J. Carpenter@gn. 
> Well, the dichotomy is clear as you listen to Black Sheep's album, at least 
> they aren't one-sided about it; however, it seems that the listener takes
> away from rap what s/he walks in with. I think BS is artistically one of the
> better duo's, not to mention the slamming tracks on NWA's last album. Yet,
> listening to some of the words SHOULD generate some concern as to the lyrical
> content. At the moment, I'm not entirely sure whether being a selective 
> consumer will persuade some artists that their views should be much more 
> elevated. The responsibility of the "lesson" learned is solely that of the
> listener.

While I try to refrain from such expressions (at least most of the
time), "FUCK RAP."

That being said, what I mean is this: we have too many little boys (and
a bunch of them are in their twenties) who use rap as a model to pattern
their approach towards women after.  The more serious problem of what to
do about relationships between black men and women is obscured by
half-thinking, questionably talented young men who defend their
profanity through "Freedom of speech," "you don't understand the
ghetto," "I'm just playing and don't really mean it," and "that's just
the way I express myself."

Bull****! While I enjoy music just as much as the next guy, the stuff
being turned out is just ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!  Couching the ignorance
of young brothers in the above arguments makes it no less offensive or
wrong.

DCAL
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From: itzel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Itzel Mc Claren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: ignorance about skin color and sunburn
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:38:13 GMT
Reply-To: itzel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Itzel Mc Claren)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: itzel@happy.cc.utexas.edu

Black people do get sunburn!  I had a japanese person once ask me if black peo-
ple get sunburn.  I did not get angry but i internally laughed at her ignorance
then realized that she did not have much contact with people who were differrentthan her.

I do get very sunburn.  Everyday, my skin burns and peels each time i take
30 or more minutes of sun.  My doctor even told me that even though i was 
black, the fact that i had light brown eyes and medium-fair skin, made me
propense to skin cancer.  I also have lots of moles on my skin.

Maybe black people do not get red when sunburn, but we do get darker.  Some of
us even get red in some areas.  For a test, if you have a chance you should
take a look at black people and you will notice that many have different tones
of skins in their bodies.  I always remember my father showe face and shoulders
are a skin tone totally different than his legs.

Maybe in a scale from one to ten on skin sensitivity, white people or at about
9 while blacks are around 4 or 5.  Notice, we are not at 0.

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From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  1 Sep 1992 07:26 EDT  

In article <1992Aug31.155402.7751@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes...
>In article <31AUG199208372457@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:
> 
>>As an about-to-be-alumna(sp?) of Spelman College, it has been my experience
>>that men-of-Morehouse speak in the same manor about women as you men from
>>"different socioeconomic areas.  Most of these young men come from middle-class
>>to upper-middle class background but they still talk about women like dirt.
>>Now, I'm not dissin' the Morehouse brothas but the general trend among 
>>twentysomething Black men is to speak of women in the vain of hiphop artists
>>Black Sheep. I know some brothas who LOVE them because there are two sides to
>>BS: side 1--> treat the honeys (women) like queens; side 2--> talk about um
>>like hos. BS subscribes to the philosophy that "ho" is short for "honey" and
>>as soon as there album (I still say album, I cant help it) came out Black
>>men jumped on this "ho" philosophy bandwagon. I know that BS is mild in
>>comparison to Too $hort or NWA, but I use them as a example because to me
>>they epitomize how the average young Black man feels about women.
> 
>Well, the dichotomy is clear as you listen to Black Sheep's album, at least 
>they aren't one-sided about it; however, it seems that the listener takes
>away from rap what s/he walks in with. I think BS is artistically one of the
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not carrying any "baggage", if that's what your trying to say.  I am a
Black woman which I happen to enjoy. I am always going to see things from the
perspective of a Black woman.  This does not mean that I am insensitive or
narrow-minded about other views.  

>better duo's, not to mention the slamming tracks on NWA's last album. Yet,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
I happen to LIKE Black Sheep!! What I'm saying is that the views that they
express about women are the common views of the average twentysomething
Black man.

>listening to some of the words SHOULD generate some concern as to the lyrical
>content. At the moment, I'm not entirely sure whether being a selective 
>consumer will persuade some artists that their views should be much more 
>elevated. The responsibility of the "lesson" learned is solely that of the
>listener.

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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: The Event (Wuz Lee: Malcolm X)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  3 Sep 92 23:43:05 GMT


Because it is to me one of the most beautiful (and terrifying) passages
of Scripture anywhere, I thought I would more fully quote the ending of
the Quranic surah "The Event" (Pickthall):

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim

	Why then when (the soul) cometh up to the throat (of the dying)
	And ye are at that moment looking
	---And We are nearer unto him than ye are, but ye see not---
	Why then, if ye are not in bondage to (unto Us)
	Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful?
	Thus if he is of those brought nigh,
	Then breath of life, and plenty, and Garden of delight
	And if he is of those on the right hand
	Then (the greeting) "Peace be upon thee" from those on the right hand
	But if he is of the rejectors, the erring,
	Then the welcome will be boiling water
	And roasting at hellfire.
	Lo! this is certain truth.
	Therefore (O Muhammad) praise the name of thy Lord, the Tremendous.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307

		"We have fought and been victorious in the Lesser Jihad.
		 Now we must fight and be victorious in the Greater Jihad."

		"What is the Greater Jihad?"

		"The war against the soul (al-mujahadat al-nafs)."

				- Hadith
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:20:36 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 29-Aug-92 Re: Johns
vs. Carpenter by Dowdy Jackson@tochtli.bi 
> I think that it depends on the group. Some men, depending on where they come
> from, express their views differently than other men from different socio-
> economic areas.

I would disagree strongly.  While there may be minute variations in how
they go about it (wine instead of Ciscos), the behavior of many young
men is nothing short of disgusting in regards to women.

I have heard language from many "educated" brothers that would turn
their mothers blue.  You literally can't go anywhere these days
(including colleges, award dinners, WEDDINGS,...) without hearing
fellows talk about this "bitch" or that "bitch."

>  
> >
> >The point?  Sexism is by no means confined to white males... in fact, I
> >know several brothers whose behavior is nothing short of... well, YOU
> >fill in the blank.
> >
> So what.

So... the original post implied that black men were free of sexism, and
viewed black women in a wholly positive fashion.  FAR from the case.  

>  
> >While sexism and comments from white males (conjuring up images of the
> >slave owner's son who would rape as he pleased and the black woman as a
> >seductive "Jezebel" may seem more offensive, I fail to see why a Black
> >woman would differentiate between white men who see her as a sexual
> >animal and black men who see her in a similar vein.  Trust me, you're
> >fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
> >
> While I can not speak to the intent of the author, I can say that in general
> you will find more black men who don't view black women as some sort
of sexual
>  
> delicacy than you would white men.

Does it matter whether shes a delicacy or an object?  MEN (black and
white) objectify women.  Young men see women as sexual objects.  Point
blank.  Its how we're taught.

 I agree with her that black women SHOULD
> be with a black man.

As do I.

 Despite what the media says about us black men, we are
> nothing without a strong black woman by our sides.

I think this is stretching and maybe its the problem.  We're something
regardless of who stands with us or against us.

A lot of young Black men need to learn to quit relying on black women
for all the heavy work, take responsibility, and be strong in and of
themselves.

Not a value judgement.  Just an opinion.

DCAL
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:13:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>Why should a black-made film be conveniently low budget?  Lee's film
>was only $5 million over budget, making the accountants squirm
>unnecessarily. I'm sure they don't mind major outlays for films like
>"Terminator 2," or "Hook," or "Apocalypse Now"...I mean, it's
>something that can be worked out at Spago's.  There are very few
>films that are brought in under or at budget in Hollywood-land.  If
>they don't make the returns back immediately at the box office, it's
>either made back in European and African and Asian rentals, on cable
>and in video tapes.

The original budget was something like 28 Mil which was chickenfeed for
the most important African American film ever made. One report said that
Batman Returns might have cost as much as 100 Mil. Even "small" Hollywood
efforts like "League of Our Own" (which, while "small", did have a lot
of high-priced talent) can easily run 40. It was not reasonable for them
to let Spike get skewered by the completion bond company as soon as he
hit the budget.

>I say these accountants and execs are just freaked at Spike Lee's
>continuing audacity to hurl, as it were, right back at them at the
>double standards for putting together films and personnel.

This reminded me of a conversation I had with some brothers working for
the gaffer on a shoot here at the campus a couple of weeks ago. They said
that even with the success of Spike and Singleton, et al, racism still
prevailed in the unionized world of the technical crews. The only way
a black director can get a large contingent of brothers working on the
set is to go non-union, which apparently is impossible for a large
production (I think Spike did it on his early pictures, but probably
not the last two). The non-creative world behind the camera is just
as insular as (and probably more overtly peckerwood than) the world
of "talent".
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:53:18 GMT

In article <stovall.714950012@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>, stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
> The original budget was something like 28 Mil which was chickenfeed for
> the most important African American film ever made. One report said that
> Batman Returns might have cost as much as 100 Mil. Even "small" Hollywood
> efforts like "League of Our Own" (which, while "small", did have a lot
> of high-priced talent) can easily run 40. It was not reasonable for them
> to let Spike get skewered by the completion bond company as soon as he
> hit the budget.

Your analysis is flawed. Movie budgets are measured in gross / cost,
not the absolute cost of making it. For instance, Terminator II was
able to spend $100 million because the gross receipts were expected to
exceed $1,000 million (G/C of 10). Similarly for Batman Returns. A
gross of $300 - $400 million for "League of Our Own" would not be an
unreasonable expectation.  While it may be true that Lee's movie will
be the "most important African American film ever made", it's not
clear that that will translate into large gross receipts.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
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