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From: ken@sycraft.com (Ken Richardson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS disk usage for clustered drives
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:00:25 MDT
Organization: SyCraft Software, Colorado Springs CO

In article <1992Oct14.223109.10755@grebyn.com>, pdm@grebyn.com (Paul Makinen)
writes:
> 
> Does anyone know how to get VMS to tell you how much space you really
> have left on a clustered disk, including what other computers in the
> cluster have done to the disk space, without rebooting the computer?
>
> I'm frustrated by the fact that VMS lies...
>
Actually, the free space that VMS reports on a clustered disk, or a
non-clustered disk for that matter, is correct.  However, if you've had any
nodes leave the cluster without properly dismounting the drive, then there
will be free space that won't be usable until you do a SET VOLUME/REBUILD
command (which is probably done either explicitly in your startup procedures,
or periodic system management procedures, or implicitly by doing a MOUNT
without /NOREBUILD).

One must exercise restraint, as doing SET VOLUME/REBUILD while users are using
the disk will tend to lock them up until the rebuild is done.  The time depends
primarily on the number of files on the volume, but can easily take minutes if
you have tens or hundreds of thousands of files.

The reason improper dismounts (i.e. crashing systems) cause this problem is
because each node keeps an "extent cache" that points to free blocks on the
disk.  The cache is unique to each node.  When the node crashes, the blocks
are still free, but nobody knows where they are until a rebuild is done.

To minimize the effect of crashes hiding free blocks, you can reduce the
sysgen parameter ACP_EXTCACHE.  This is especially useful if your disks run
tight on free space.  However, performance is better when creating new files
if ACP_EXTCACHE is larger.

I hope this helps.
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From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DECUS chapter flame from Ehud re K. Mitnick
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:32:00 GMT
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9210081344.AA17165@relay1.UU.NET>, gleeve@galaxy.dnet writes...
>I spoke with some of the people who were in the board meeting and
>who denied the application to allow Kevin into the symposium, having
>at the time felt this was an unjust action. What came out of my
>grilling was that he was asking for a number of things which
>caused them to question his bona fides. Why should someone deny
>knowledge of his own parole conditions? Not a case of low IQ in
>this case...
>   Why should he demand a password for the systems on the exhivbit
>(oops exhibit) hall floor when he supposedly was willing to stay
>off same?

So what?  Why didn't they just deny him the password and the other things he
asked for?  Why deny the whole membership?

Let him into the symposium.  If he touches a keyboard, inform the police. 
Better yet, make the cops that come to bust him DECUS members too!

>glenn
>Everhart@Raxco.com
> 
> 
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From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to prevent changing protection of file
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:07:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: kopc.01GPXW3L3L0I91VTYR
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I am trying to find a way to prevent a user from changing the protection of the
> files he owns. Ideas ?
> I tried playing with CONTROL access, but this does not seem to work.

It can not be done.

CONTROL access can not be specified in UIC-based protections (owner and
system has always CONTROL access).

CONTROL access can be specified in ACL protections, but if you study
the flowchart in figure 4.4 in Volume 3 Guide to System Security you
will se, that you can not deny an owner his access given by UIC-based
protection with an ACL !

(SET ACL/ACL=(ID=yourself,AC=NONE) do not work !)

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: mdc8567@nyssa.boeing.com (Mike Clay 952-0504 - Gone to feed Vaal...back soon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: Survival of LAVC across network modifications
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:11:05 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>In addition, having a large RECNXINTERVAL will cause a painful pause to many
>users whenever a cluster transition takes place, such as a node shutting down.
>For both these reasons, dynamically increasing RECNXINTERVAL for the duration
>of the network surgery, and putting it back afterwards, is better than leaving 
>it high.
>
>		Nigel Arnot

This is not always true.  If you use the REMOVE_NODE option of SHUTDOWN.COM,
the node being shutdown gets removed from the VAXcluster immediately.  We have
our RECNXINTERVAL set to 2 minutes, but can still shutdown over 50 workstations
in our Development cluster less than 30 minutes.

However, what Nigel says is true if one of your nodes crashes unexpectedly or 
gets its ethernet cable yanked out by a careless janitor.

	Michael claym@bcsaic.boeing.com
From: bertolino@idx.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: MAIL-11 protocol
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:04:32 GMT
Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT

Hello, does anybody know where we could find/purchase DEC's MAIL-11 protocol?
Thanks,
Bob (bertolino@sp.idx.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Subject: Re: DECnet for SUN: Info Needed
Organization: Tim Evans
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:36:53 GMT

pascoe@rocky.gte.com (Dave Pascoe) writes:

>Bill Gripp (billg@bony1.bony.com) wrote:
>: 
>: We are interested in getting our VAXes to talk to some Sun workstations.
>: Although we have TGV's MultiNet for TCP/IP on the VAX side, we'd like to
>: evaluate DECnet, LAT, etc on the Sun side as well.
>: 
>: Could those of you running DECnet on Sun post or email comments on the 
>: product you are currently using?  Ease of use, configuration,
>: reliability, bugs, etc.  Whatever you think we should know.
>: If there are sufficient responces and interest, I will summarize.

>I've been using Sun's Sunlink DNI 7.0 for a couple of years now with
>success.  The only problems I've had have been some pretty obscure
>ones involving talking to an Ultrix box for mail.  I worked for
>several weeks on and off with Sun's DNI engineering people to solve
>the problem, resulting in a new release of dnimail.  So, in a
>nutshell, I'd highly recommend the Sun DNI 7.0 product.

Unless you have a very large number of DECnet hosts in your network.
Sunlink DNI seems to have a hard-coded maximum of around 7,000
hosts which can be added to the DNI "volatile database."
From: powers@ELROS.STG.TRW.COM
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE:  post office protocole on vax?
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:56:15 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


From su@paris7.jussieu.fr:
>....... They use on the mac a program called Eudora, which is known
>to work in cooperation with another program called popper running on a
>Unix mail server. Is there a program similar to popper and running under
>VMS?
> Thanx for any help.
> kbs

Take a look at IUPOP3.  Anonymous FTP to logos.ucs.indiana.edu.  This one
really ought to be on the FAQs, although I don't think it is.

No, I have not tried or used IUPOP3 myself.

What I need myself is to have a similar thing for Quickmail, hence my despair.

     Lester Powers
     powers@elros.stg.trw.com
From: HELLART%HAN@leia.polaroid.com ("Tom Hellard, 225-5955, Norwood N2-1G")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: 4000 VLC Window options from DCL
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:54:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet


  I have a VAXStation 4000 VLC running VMS 5.5 and am looking for a way to 
set window options from a DCL command file.  I regularly set up 5 windows
for regular work, mail and system monitoring.  Currently I use DCL command 
procedures like the following to set the title on the icons:

      $ escape[0,8] = %x1b
      $ icon == escape + "]2L;" + "T-1" + escape + "\"
      $ write sys$output icon

  Are there similar escape sequences or commands to set window attributes
('big/little font', 'normal/condensed font') or window positioning?  Examples 
or pointers to the right FM would be greatly appreciated.  If there is enough
interest, I will summarize to the net ( I _DO_ read the net!)

Thanks - Tom

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From: 88175839@CPHKVX.CPHK.HK
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DCL CONVERT cannot reduce file size
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: 88175839@cphkvx.cphk.hk
Organization: The Internet

I recently discovered that after we deleted pages from the VTX
infobase with VTX workbench function, the VTX infobase files
did not become smaller.

Thus I tried DCL CONVERT (with many different combinations of qualifiers);
however, out of my expectation, only the actual size of the file became smaller
but not the allocated size.

Can someone help me to reclaim those unused disk blocks ?

K.C. Tam
From: murphy@burfle.dco.dec.com (Rick Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Problem with spawn from batch in 5.4-x
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:03:23 GMT
Reply-To: murphy@burfle.dco.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Landover MD


A guess:
You've done a SET PROCESS/NORESOURCE_WAIT somewhere. Don't do that, otherwise
SPAWN will likely fail.
	-Rick
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Bang:    decwrl!burfle.enet!murphy	"Somewhere between 30 and Death"
Ding:  (301) 918-5883				-bumper sticker.
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From: mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: ARJ for Vax/VMS Systems
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:01:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: pacifier.1992Oct15.010143.1252
Organization: Pacifier BBS


Hello, Netland.

Do any of you know of a utility for Vax/VMS systems which will extract
members from .ARJ files?  If such exists, is there a site where it may
be obtained via anonymous ftp or E-mail?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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301 N.E. 107th Street   |         or m2xenix!pacifier!mikef@uunet.UU.NET
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From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: SCSI CD drive and music
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:16:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.014748.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

> This question comes up again and again... and makes me wonder why people
> won't simply buy one of those CD units without any SCSI interface, but
> with a front panel of a few switches and keys so easy to operate manually :-)
> They are much cheaper and have much better sound quality (and, they allow
> me to read VMS docs while listening my fave soundtracks as well :-).

I must second th motion. The D-A convertsers and filtering in the "standard"
Sony reader used by DEC, Sun, and Apple produces very poor sound quality with a
high-end that can produce a major headache in nothing flat.

If you really need a computer controlled CD player, there are a number of them
manufactured with simple serial interfaces. They don't read data, but they
sound MUCH better and are not all that expensive.

I'll be the first to admit that I brought up my CD-ROM as a CD player just for
the heck of it and that after I played with it for a couple of hours I reloaded
my System 7 disk (Oops, wrong computer for this group) and left the music CD
elsewhere. But I wouldn't have felt happy about it if I hadn't gotten it to
work "just to see if it would".

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: motif help needed, please with \address
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:13:51 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

er, i forgot to post my .sig file for the motif/decnet help.

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
   /\_/     '   \  /   MCV-VCU           This tape will self destruct in
 /________________>    Richmond, Va      five seconds.  Good luck, Jim..."
From: louis@BARRA.COM (Louis Dunne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Re: HELP: Knighting the underprivileged
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:12:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: BARRA Inc., Berkeley, California.
From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: problem with vms PHONE utility?READ/NEW
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:16:32 MDT
Organization: Augustana University College, Camrose, aAlberta

Thanks to all who responded to my query about PHONE.  Unfortunately, none
of the suggestions helped.  It is installed with the privs it is supposed
to have, the tty's all have system access protection.  We're running VMS
5.4-2 on a MicroVax II.  We don't have a cluster or DECNet, but the machine
does have a node name (Vivaldi) apparently because Powerhouse wants one -
could that be a problem for PHONE?  And I made one error in my previous
posting - it does not work when a process calls itself.  I thought it did,
but I was wrong.

Here's a log (made with PHOTO, edited to remove VT100 commands) of what
happens when a process tries to PHONE, in this case to PHONE itself.  The
same thing happens when it tries to phone another process.

 %PHOTO-I-INIT, recording initiated at 13-OCT-1992 16:56:10.85
 $ phone loc_tei
 VAX/VMS Phone Facility  13-OCT-1992
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 VIVALDILOC_TEI
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ringing LOC_TEI...              (Press any key to cancel call and continue.)
 No one with that name is available at this time.
 %PHONE-E-NOPROC, No one with that name is available at this time.
 Attempting to continue after a transmission error...
 %LIB-F-BADBLOADR, bad block address
 $ photo /off
 %PHOTO-I-FINI, recording finished at 13-OCT-1992 16:56:22.64

The NOPROC error is ridiculous since the process is phoning itself.  The
BADBLOADR error is troubling - I don't know what that implies.  I did a
SHOW ERROR just to see if we were having disk problems, but all is fine.

As with my previous post, if you post a followup I would appreciate also
getting an e-mail copy since our news feed is erratic and apparently not
dependable.

-- 
Sterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA or bjorndahl@camrose.uucp
Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada      (403) 679-1516
From: NICHOLSC@CSMCMVAX.BITNET ("Clinton Nichols, ext. 3595")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: does anyone know of a good file compression utility for VMS?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Disk space on our cluster is becoming scarce at an alarming rate.  Can anyone
recommend a good file compression utility or a good compression package that
would work with indexed files, various types of sequential files (with
different types of fixed variables)?

Clinton
NICHOLSC@CSMCMVAX.BITNET
From: jmeinke@dcs.simpact.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: sys$trnlnm from vaxc example please
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:53:46 PDT
Organization: Simpact Associates, San Diego CA

In article <9210090753.AA02996@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 
ROSSJI@JS-JTF.AF.MIL ("Jim Ross") writes:
> Does anyone have an example of setting up the descriptor and calling
> sys$trnlnm from vaxc? We have examples of calling system services but

The system service sys$trnlnm contains many options, so I'm
watching for someone to post a good, complete example. Until
then, here's an example code segment which uses the function
getenv, which performs logical name translation: it's also
portable. 

get_test_parameters (device_name) 
char *device_name;
{
   char *cp;
  
   if (cp = (char *) getenv("API_TEST_DEVICE")) {
      printf("\nUsing %s as API_TEST_DEVICE", cp);
      strcpy(device_name, cp);
   } else {
      printf("\nExiting: no API_TEST_DEVICE defined");
      exit(1);
   }
}
-- 
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9210 Sky Park Court                   jmeinke@dcs.simpact.com 
San Diego, CA  92123  

 "I really didn't say everything I said." -- Yogi Berra
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: Novell's "Capture command" - VMS equivalent..?
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:12:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	A question for users on the Novell and VMS.  Is there any command on
	the VMS OS similar to the "CAPTURE" command on Novell. To put it in
	plain terms, if we have multiple print (or any) queues on the Novell
	n/s, to direct the output to a particular queue we use the capture
	/q=print_serv1. This directs all the printouts to that specified queue
	until  an endcap command is issued. On a similar note, is there a way
	of defaulting a queue on the VAX. I know I could use
	$print/queue="queue_name" filename everytime, but you can see it could
	be a pain if you intend to use that queue quite often.

	So my question (once again) is can I route all my print jobs to a
	specified queue without having to use the /queue="queue_name"
	everytime.

Easily done!  If you use PRINT with no /QUEUE=xxx qualifier, it prints to
SYS$PRINT.  Most programs that provide embedded print queuing do the same
thing by default.

Now, SYS$PRINT, like any queue name, is subject to logical name translation.
If you

	$ ASSIGN PRINT_SERV1 SYS$PRINT

then any use of SYS$PRINT as your queue, explicitly or implicitly, will go to
PRINT_SERV1 until you deassign or change the logical.

If it's only the PRINT command you are concerned with, you could also use a
DCL symbol definition:

	$ PRINT :== PRINT/QUEUE=PRINT_SERV1

will cause all PRINT commands to go to PRINT_SERV1 by default.  You could
override the default by using PRINT/QUEUE - the second /QUEUE replaces the
first.  You could even use PRINT/QUEUE=SYS$PRINT to go back to the system
default printer.  This method, however, will not affect printing requested
by programs.

Note:  Programs that simply write to something like LPA0:, where LPA0: is a
spooled printer, can't be redirected this way.  You CAN redirect them by
defining an LPA0 logical - but only to queues that have devices explicitly
spooled to them.
							-- Jerry
From: dfilip@colorne.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: vms posix
Keywords: posix
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:52:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

Seth Grimes writes :

>Yes, the VMS Posix shell is very slow.  I saw one trade rag article that
>said 2800% slower than the equivalent DCL.  But you can bet that DEC is
>working on an implementation that doesn't sit on top of DCL (if, in fact
>the current implementation does) but is down there in the OS layers so
>that it gives much better performance.  Develop now... the OS will catch
>up later.

But my point, once again, is why ? If I want to develop in an 'open'
environment, why not get OSF-1 on a MIPS or Alpha platform ? Why spend
more time and money on a VAX-11 instruction set machine and hope that
performance gets better ?

When developing 'Open Systems', dosn't the hardware platform become a
commodity ? And if so, the biggest bang for the buck most certainly does
not come from Posix/OpenVMS.

I am playing devil's advocate only because I am trying to convince myself
that there really is some value to OpenVMS/Posix, and so far have not found
any convincing argument. I love to develop under native VAX/VMS, but mostly
because of all the neat VAX-specific stuff (like PSM$, CLI$, etc.) which
is obviously not 'Open'-anything !

Does anyone else see my point ?

Dave.

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Problem with spawn from batch in 5.4-x
Date: 9 Oct 1992 06:19:55 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <8551722@MVB.SAIC.COM>, ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake) writes:
>	I have a problem with the spawn command under VMS 5.4 and 5.4-2.
>Everytime I try it from a batch job I get:
>
>%SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota
>
>What gives?  Is there a patch available or at what release of VMS is this
>fixed?

As far as I know, there's no patch available, and it was never fixed, because
it was never a bug.  I don't see this problem under 5.4-2.  Have you tried
increasing the account's BYTLM in SYSUAF.DAT?
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: kratom@hhcs.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Checking for MOUNT/VERIFY status
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:40:05 +1000
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

Hello,

Is there anyone who knows how to test to see if a disk device is in a
MOUNT/VERIFY status ? (Especially across a cluster)

A "SHOW DEVICE D" will display the device like :

Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans
 Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count
CNB07V$DUA4:            Mounted/Verify     0      PRODUCTS1    1803084     1

When the disk device is in this state, and a command like F$SEARCH is entered,
then it will hang (the process has to be stopped to get out of this state).

It would be great if there was an F$GETDVI item which returned this status. Is
there a way of determining this ?

Thanks,

kratom@hhcs.gov.au