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From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Re: .oz .au - please explain.
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:55:27 GMT

In <Bw5D37.Aop@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU> marka@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mark Andrews) writes:

>	When ACSnet (SUNIII) came into existance it supported domain
>	based addresses, unlike earlier versions of the SUN software.

Indeed. Well ahead of the Internet at that time too. Mind you, SUNIII
domains were more a kind of host "adjective" than a hierarchical and
authoritative namespace division system. SUNIII still has this problem
to some extent.

>	OZ was deliberately chosen as a toplevel domain so that it would
>	not clash with more official toplevel domains, i.e. au/aus, but
>	would be recognizable Australian. It as always envisaged that OZ
>	would some day become a subdomain under AU/AUS. What was not
>	known was how far down it would be, i.e. oz.au vs. oz.net.au.

No way. "oz" predates any choice of "au" to be Australia. In a sense
you could say that Robert Elz and his cronies chose "au" as the top
level domain for Australia just to make life difficult for ACSnet
sites which had already standardised on "oz". Now we have all this
com, edu, gov, csiro rubbish as well (:-).

>	Domains ending in ".oz.au" are supposed be be reachable using
>	ACSnet (MHSnet its successor has a wider coverage).

I won't argue with that. Though we have to keep on fending off the
imperial aspirations of Internet connected people who think that they
own the address space and can make the rules for "domains" like oz.

>	If someone has archieves of news back when the change over was
>	occuring you can see the discussions that occured.

I don't think much of this was discussed in news (except perhaps in
flames). It just happened...

I can tell you the REAL origin of oz though. It comes from the earliest
days of trans-pacific email exchange, when SUNII was the way to connect
UNIX boxes. We set up a link to Bell Labs from Sydney Uni via some
disgusting mailbox system, and the name of the pseudo mail destination
for the Bell Labs end of the connection was "oz" - as chosen by Ian
Johnstone (and/or Peter Ivanov) who were working there around that time.
This would be around 1979/1980, for those who think networking is new.

Chris
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: ednstras@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Michael Strasser)
Subject: AARNet white pages?
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:18:54 GMT

Does such a beast exist?  Is there a straightforward way to find someone's
E-mail address given his/her name and institution?

It would be useful in trying to track down someone who I think works at a
particular institution.

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Griffith University
Brisbane, Australia
From: markus@arp.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: route: Australia to Germany
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:37:05 GMT
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research, ANU, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.20.7

sxc@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Stephen Crawley) writes: 
|> 
|> You are misinterpretting the traceroute output.  
|> 
Yes - I've already found this out 

|> 
|> Your best bet would be to try to FTP at 3am German time :-)
|> 

It was !!! 3am Germany is (currently) 12 noon here in Canberra - you mean
it gets *worse* during Germany's daytime ????!!!!

Markus
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: prl@csis.dit.csiro.au (Peter Lamb)
Subject: Re: route: Australia to Germany
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:58:41 GMT

pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford) writes:

>The vast bulk of the delay
>is within Europe, and mostly on the link to the University of
>Hamburg itself (it would appear).

I have had a number of ocasions to use German Internet sites from
a European site. The German Internet is very slow compared to other
European Internets. I usually got better response from US and Oz sites than
I did from German ones!

-- 
Peter Lamb (prl@csis.dit.csiro.au)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: djk@bby.com.au (David James Keegel)
Subject: Re: better use of `prog' on archie ...
Summary: Solution: use xarchie(1L) or archie(1L) instead of telnet(1)
Keywords: archie prog search
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:51:58 GMT

cameron@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Cameron Simpson) writes:

] 	archie> mailprog cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au
] 	archie> prog thing1
] 	searching... blah blah blah ...
] 	sending results of search to cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au

] and so forth. I _don't_ take the last few screens; I almost always use `mail'
] to send off the complete query so I can peruse it easily. A pger isn't what I
] want; I want a terse way to do the query.

I would certainly suggest grabbing and installing the xarchie program if
you're on the Internet (that means AARNet in Australia at the minute) and
running the X window system (X11).  It has buttons and menus and scroll
bars and all the other nice things you expect of a graphical application.

The only problem I found with it is that you can't query the `packages'
database (well, I couldn't anyway), and that the `ftp' button doesn't
ask you for a local directory to put the files in (so I just used
regular ftp(1) from a shell normally).

There is also a client (command you can invoke from your own machine)
called `archie' which is text-only, so you if you're on the Internet but
don't have an X11 server in front of you, you could "archie thing1 > file".

Having these clients (archie and xarchie) means that 98% of the time
there is no need to "telnet archie.au.".
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From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: .oz .au - please explain.
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:43:00 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32


>>I can see ".au" is for australia but what sub-domain does ".oz" refer to?
>
>I don't know am I correct, I think "oz" is for Australia, and "au" is for
>Australian area (I am not sure what is that called) including some countries
>like New Zealand, etc.

My understanding is that '.oz' originated when ACSnet was the local
equivalent of the Internet, and that '.au' was adopted by AARnet when
it was created as '.au' is the ISO standard country code for Australia
(ISO specifies a two-letter code for all countries connected via the
Internet, althouhg the US doesn't use '.us' as that's where the Internet
was born).

As a consequent, machines caught in the ACSnet karma have to use '.oz.au'
on the end of their domain name for messages travelling to the Internet
via AARnet.
-- 
 Craig Dewick               |      - Railway Preservation Industries P/L -
 Send email to:             |      actively supporting the preservation of
 craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au |           Australia's railway heritage.
From: michael@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Michael Henry)
Subject: Re: AARNet white pages?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:13:42 GMT

ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
>
>ednstras@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Michael Strasser) writes:
>>Does such a beast exist?  Is there a straightforward way to find someone's
>>E-mail address given his/her name and institution?
> ... (about the Australian Directory Services Project Pilot)
>I'm sorry, the best methods for finding addresses remain heuristic and not
>algorithmic. Phone them, or send a letter by (snail)mail or FAX.
 
another alternative is to try netfind.  Netfind keeps a database of
'hints' of where to start and then goes out and actively finger's
machines to find a user.  It tends to discover things as they currently
are, rather than as they were when someone had the time to record things.
 
Log into archie.au as 'netfind' (no password).  It gives a small menu with
online help.  Searches consist of something like
        surname place
eg.
        strasser itc griffith
 
it's not particulary pretty, and still not guarenteed to work, but it's
an option.
 
michael.
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: AARNet white pages?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:35:29 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1992Oct13.053942.17240@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:
|>
|> Maybe org's that implement a standard address format or allow some form
|> of username lookup should post on a fortnightly basis to aus.mail to
|> outline how a user may be reached.  Either that, or we should extend
|> Mark's summary of campus wide address formats and put it in a public
|> place.
|>
Maybe it would be an interesting idea if sites that have a standard
format and/or provide an mechanism for finding addresses posted a
description to aus.net.directory.

For example, although we don't have a standard mail format we do have
an X.500 directory and numerous publically accessible ways of accessing
it.

Mark.
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From: mrp@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:52:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) writes:

>mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Prior) writes:

>>Pancho would have a NSAP allocated from the SA allocation of
>>        39.036.1002.01.00.0800.0001.0012.AA00.0400.5648.00

>I prefer IP numbers, not to mention domains!

Well you are in for a shock when the new version of IP finally rolls
out the door.

Comparing it to domains is not valid since that number is hidden by a
directory service in OSI just like DNS hides it in the IP world.

Mark.
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: swl@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Samuel Wai Kay LEUNG)
Subject: Re: .oz .au - please explain.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:39:20 GMT

cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham) writes:


>Why do a lot of Australian email addresses have ".oz.au" ?

>I can see ".au" is for australia but what sub-domain does ".oz" refer to?


I don't know am I correct, I think "oz" is for Australia, and "au" is for
Australian area (I am not sure what is that called) including some countries
like New Zealand, etc.

Samuel
From: marka@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mark Andrews)
Subject: Re: .oz .au - please explain.
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:11:31 GMT

In article <718601356snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au> cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au writes:
>
>Why do a lot of Australian email addresses have ".oz.au" ?
>
>I can see ".au" is for australia but what sub-domain does ".oz" refer to?
>
	When ACSnet (SUNIII) came into existance it supported domain
	based addresses, unlike earlier versions of the SUN software.

	OZ was deliberately chosen as a toplevel domain so that it would
	not clash with more official toplevel domains, i.e. au/aus, but
	would be recognizable Australian. It as always envisaged that OZ
	would some day become a subdomain under AU/AUS. What was not
	known was how far down it would be, i.e. oz.au vs. oz.net.au.

	Domains ending in ".oz.au" are supposed be be reachable using
	ACSnet (MHSnet its successor has a wider coverage).

	If someone has archieves of news back when the change over was
	occuring you can see the discussions that occured.

	Mark
From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: .oz .au - please explain.
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 03:29:16 GMT
Organization: Baldrick Fan Club
Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au


Why do a lot of Australian email addresses have ".oz.au" ?

I can see ".au" is for australia but what sub-domain does ".oz" refer to?

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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: d09049@tanus.oz.au (Ian Vowles)
Subject: Connecting to aarnet
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 23:25:15 GMT

I am interested in getting a more direct connection to aarnet than the method
I currently use. At the moment I dial Discovery 80, access Pro-net then can
mail etc. to aarnet users. Other information that is available on aarnet is of
use to our staff (Calvary Hospital Hobart) and a more usable method of getting
through is needed. Who should we be talking to to find out how this could be
done?

Ian Vowles, Information Systems Department, Calvary Hospital Hobart.

INET: d09049@tanus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: fredb@physics.su.OZ.AU (R. J. Bassett)
Subject: Re: better use of `prog' on archie ...
Keywords: paging mail archie prog search
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:30:30 GMT

.... previous articles outlining problems of how to get results
	of long 'archie prog' searches back home for perousal ....

You can use tee to save the output on your local machine, but this is
rather messy, and I would add my vote for a better method.

However, I would also like the search to start with local (Aust) machines,
preferably archie first, then rest of oz, then world.

(I'm not volunteering to do the implementation of my suggestion, though!)

------------- R J ("fred") Bassett -------------
From: ccw@deakin.OZ.AU (Craig Warren)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: better use of `prog' on archie ...
Date: 10 Oct 1992 08:59:19 +1000
Organization: Deakin University
NNTP-Posting-Host: rastaban.cc.deakin.oz.au
Keywords: paging mail archie prog search

All users of archie should be made aware, that version 3 (a major
rewrite will be installed in the next couple of weeks. This
version will include many new clients and many new features.

As more details are made available, I will post them to an
appropriate list.
From: markus@arp.anu.edu.au (Dr Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: route: Australia to Germany
Date: 12 Oct 1992 23:24:37 GMT
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research, ANU, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.20.7


I recently went jogging round the net for some sun patch files. I found
an excellent site in Germany. Unfortunately it had an abysmal transfer
rate (0.3kb/s!). Now, other sites in Europe aren't as bad, so I did
a 'traceroute' and found to my surprise that a lot of the problem
is in the U.S. - it spends a lot of its time crossing the U.S., but most
of that time is spent in one building (I suppose it is one building) - note
hops 8 thru 15. Now my question: Can This Be Fixed ? It could double the xfer
rate (although the last hop looks quite sick as well..)

Markus

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
markus@romeo% traceroute ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
traceroute to rzsun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.4.42), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  cschub (150.203.5.1)  0 ms  0 ms  0 ms
 2  actgw (150.203.1.5)  0 ms  0 ms  0 ms
 3  national.gw.au (139.130.188.1)  10 ms  10 ms  10 ms
 4  usa.gw.au (139.130.4.5)  10 ms  10 ms  10 ms
 5  132.160.240.1 (132.160.240.1)  610 ms  590 ms  580 ms
 6  ARC1.NSN.NASA.GOV (192.100.12.1)  580 ms  610 ms  600 ms
 7  192.52.195.253 (192.52.195.253)  580 ms  610 ms  660 ms
 8  t3-2.cnss9.t3.nsf.net (140.222.9.3)  620 ms  590 ms  580 ms
 9  t3-3.cnss8.t3.nsf.net (140.222.8.4)  580 ms  600 ms  640 ms
10  t3-0.cnss24.t3.nsf.net (140.222.24.1)  670 ms  650 ms  630 ms
11  t3-0.cnss40.t3.nsf.net (140.222.40.1)  660 ms  660 ms  630 ms
12  t3-1.cnss32.t3.nsf.net (140.222.32.2)  670 ms  730 ms  650 ms
13  t3-1.cnss56.t3.nsf.net (140.222.56.2)  780 ms  650 ms  750 ms
14  t3-0.cnss58.t3.nsf.net (140.222.58.1)  660 ms  700 ms  720 ms
15  t3-0.enss136.t3.nsf.net (140.222.136.1)  670 ms  700 ms  650 ms
16  College-Park.MD.ALTER.NET (192.80.214.249)  660 ms  650 ms  660 ms
17   (137.39.11.1)  780 ms  700 ms  670 ms
18  Amsterdam.NL.EU.NET (134.222.5.1)  1080 ms  770 ms  880 ms
19  Dortmund.DE.EU.NET (134.222.1.2)  890 ms  1070 ms  900 ms
20  wingate.Dortmund.DE.EU.net (139.4.10.3)  1080 ms  860 ms  960 ms
21  * * *
22  * rzsun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.4.42)  8380 ms *
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From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Deakin update
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:07:44 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

john moorfoot called.  They have water under [over] the machine room floor.
Deakin may be back on net tomorrow, may be next week.

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms
From: mgjmw@gaea.es.flinders.edu.au (Jon Whellams)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: AARNet white pages?
Keywords: netfind
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:25:02 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Flinders University, School of Earth Sciences

In article <ednstras.718863534@kraken> ednstras@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Michael Strasser) writes:
>Does such a beast exist?  Is there a straightforward way to find someone's
>E-mail address given his/her name and institution?

telnet to "archie.au" and login as "netfind" and follow instructions......

Cheers,
-- 
---------------- Jon Whellams mgjmw@es.flinders.edu.au ----------------
---------------------- Geophysics, Flinders Uni. ----------------------
------------------------- South Australia. ----------------------------
From: markus@arp.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: route: Australia to Germany
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:45:57 GMT
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research, ANU, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.20.7

Aha - Thanks for all the comments. Part of the problem I had was a 
misunderstanding of traceroute - I didn't realize that the times reported
are source-to-hop, not hop-to-hop (hey, it was late, ok?) hence I took
the US backbone times to be individual hop times, making it look like it spent
50% of the time in the U.S.

Oh well. Hopefully I can track down other better-connected sites.

thanks again,

	Markus


Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: steve@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Stephen Peter)
Subject:  alt.architecture
Reply-To: steve@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:01:01 GMT

Recently a newsgroup "alt.architecture" was created.  In the US there are
(more than) 70 messages in the group but none of these messages have made
in to us at UNSW..... :-(

If anyone has any ideas of why this might be so, I'd be interested in hearing
from you (post or mail)

cheers
Stephen.
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Xref: sparky aus.aarnet:986 aus.netstatus:199
From: C.Chaundy@its.unimelb.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
Subject: University of Melbourne ITS hosts off the air 10/10/92
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:44:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

All Information Technology Services hosts at the University of Melbourne
will be off the air from 06:30 EST to 16:00 EST on Saturday 10 October 1992
for building electrical and air-conditioning maintenance.  This includes
the main mail servers and name server for the University.  Note that the
secondary name server will not be affected, but mail will just have to
wait...

Please note that this includes systems in the following domains:

	its.unimelb.edu.au
	ucs.unimelb.edu.au
	asis.unimelb.edu.au
and
	super.csiro.au.
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The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria 3052 Australia
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Xref: sparky aus.aarnet:992 comp.protocols.iso:1247
From: ggast@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:52 EST
Subject: Re: International Education and Resourc
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct14.070138.16508@gbrmpa.go:-665929223:peg:246600051:000:1918
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!ggast    Oct 16 09:52:00 1992



The International Education and Resource Network I*EARN is based
on the APC Networks ( Association for Progressive Communication)
of which PEGASUS NETWORKS is the Australian affiliate. Contact
for I*EARN here in Australia is Bill Coppinger, Broadford Secondary
College,Vic. Phone 057 841 558, email bcoppinger@peg.pegasus.oz.au,
or Dr. Gert Gast, Pegasus Networks, 066 857 789, email 
ggast@peg.pegasus.oz.au.

I*EARN provides a classroom link world-wide:

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  Started  in 1988, I*EARN student telecommunications and projects are  now 
  underway  among  the  following countries: US,  USSR,  China,  Argentina, 
  Israel,  Finland,  England, Spain. I*EARN is currently  negotiating  with 
  organizations  in  Egypt,  Costa  Rica,  Korea,  Ghana,  Germany,  Japan, 
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  Examples  of these projects have included environmental  studies/actions, 
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