Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:34:00 GMT
From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Gays want to be left alone???

BARRYW@UCSFVM.BITNET (Barry Wadsworth) writes:

> They want business owners to pay for insurance to cover their "spouses".

Not unreasonable when they are probably business partners when it comes to
household finances etc.

> They want to be inseminated and raise families. Their totally mixed-up
> children pay the price for their selfish, politically motivated, confused
> acts.

When you consider some of the acts of a minority of hetrosexual couples on
children perhaps this isn't such a bad set up after all.  On the whole
children of homosexuals seem to be fairly well adjusted but I have seen
some who are totally mixed up and very scared and shaken by the tirades
issuing forth from "gay-bashers" using the Bible as a weapon.

> They move into conservative neighborhoods and hang "Gay-pride flags"
> from their living room windows and then react with shock when they get a
> rock thrown through their windows (which I, nor any Christian person should
> ever condone, but, hey, not everyone who disagrees with their ways is a
> practicing Christian).

This smacks of "Not in my back yard"

> But, homosexuals in this country have an agenda and they will not stop
> until they are either converted to Christianity, repent, and stop
> homosexual acts (and stop aiding the homosexual agenda), or they completely
> overtake this country and change it forever.

I am sorry.  I really can't see where you get all this hate from. Do you really
feel such a threat is there for you and you family.  Perhaps you may find that
homosexuals really aren't any more of a threat to your children and home than
any other group of people. If you take the group as a whole you will find
quite a cross section of society.  If you take the group by age bands you'll
find similar goals and attitudes as their "straight" peers.

> What about our rights to have our children be taught by teachers of high
> moral standards who can serve as role models? What about our rights to
> preserve of religious traditions without having them defiled by people
> who try to rise to positions of power within them for their own political
> motives?

Now hold on, this is the same arguement I have seen as a reason for not
having a black West Indian teacher in my school.  What matters surely is
the example they make in class and how well they teach. I suggest that who
a teacher is in moral/sexual/religous terms rarely has any influence on or
makes any appearance the class.

> No, you are very wrong.  The homosexuals in this country do not want to
> be left alone. They want to open their bedroom doors to the public. It
> would have been much wiser to keep them closed.

I find that hetrosexuals are more likely to be exhibitionist.  I think that
perhaps we should start looking at the homosexual issue having a higher
profile in the context of today's society.  Sex is no longer a forbidden
topic thus homosexuality is there.  The main problem now is we are looking
a people purely on the basis of what their sex lives are like.  Ask your
college age daughters - do they get labeled because "they won't" and are so
somehow less than their peers ?

> Next, I am afraid fathers guilty of incest will decide that this is
> their sexual orientation and that they also must come out of the closet
> and demand that their art be funded, that they be able to marry their
> daughters (or sons), that they be able to become our priests and ministers.

Why do homosexuals always get lumped in with incest, child rape and other
perverted sexual habits ?  They are mostly people who look for relationships
with willing adult partners not aim to force themselves on the innocent.


Gareth McGaughan  gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk
>You can't correct their problem for them. It's not possible, and you would
>have no right to try to do it by force if it were. If your church reckons
>that homosexuals are going to be damned if they don't change, then let it
>teach that; but that won't do any good if it doesn't let homosexuals in
>in the first place until they're changed.

Well said, to force a change upon people is wrong.  I have no wish to force
a change on Barry, I will respect his wishes.  I may not agree and express
this.  I may feel that he is excluding some brothers and tell him so.  I may
try to discuss where are differences are.  I will not barge in and start
hurling a tirade of abuse and insisting he agree with me and change his ways
to conform to my wishes and beliefs.  I in return ask the same treatment and
respect from him for those he disagrees with.  Something his last mailing did
not show.

We've spent some time looking at if homosexuality is intruinsically wrong
over the pass few months.  I won't raise that again here in detail but I
remind everyone that we appear to have agreed to differ.  That being the case,
I expect some churches to condemn out right, others to  try to "cure" and
others to not wish to change what they see as God's good creation.

>To summarise: Yes, some homosexuals publicise their cause in a completely
>unreasonable manner. This doesn't mean that all homosexuals are power-hungry
>maniacs trying to take over the media, the government, and the minds of the
>people. Some of them, as Darren says, just want to be left alone. This means
>left alone to do (among consenting adults) whatever they find reasonable,
>and to be treated as human beings. And also to be seen as people in their
>own right rather than just as "homosexuals" as if when you've said someone
>is a homosexual you've said all there is to be said about them.

Gareth,

Well said, a reasonable voice, at last.

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