From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: More on fantasies and discussing one or two (was) Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:51:42 GMT
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lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>> And just how many of these males you were socialized with have gone
>> into detail with you about their rape fantasies, Synth? 
>
> Uh, all of them.  They offered the details; I didn't have to ask.  It
> was mostly gleaned in casual male-bonding-type situations. 

Laz> As in, what?  Did they just "casually" mention in your presence
Laz> that they'd like to rape someone, or did they just say things
Laz> that you chose to *interpret* as rape fantasies?

Within the date-rape mentality, they many times don't *realize* that
it's rape they're contemplating, why would they say it openly?  To
them it's just an image of sex they're thinking of; of taking the
girl, ripping off all her clothes, and getting their rocks off inside
her.  If it's a visualization of sex either with protest from the
woman or with the woman being oblivious to any act taking place, it's
a rape fantasy.  If she consents in the fantasy, then it's not.  From
there the interpretation is pretty clear cut.  If the fantasy does not
have a sense of the encounters being *mutual*, it's not necessarily a
rape fantasy, but the spectrum of sexism is the same.
 
> An "example or two"?  You must be joking. 

Laz> I must be -- you certainly haven't seen fit to provide any.

For someone who's been on the net as long as you have, you really
should know better than to take words out of context.  Originally you
accuse me of having only "an example or two and a lot of assumptions",
and now suddenly it looks like you asked *for* an example which I have
now somehow refused to provide.  You surprise me, Laz.

> And please note the disclaimer:  personal experience and observation.

Laz> Well either sidle up to the bar and share or keep your opinions
Laz> to yourself, son.

No thank you.  Opinions are fair game and have every right to be posted
as such.  If you can't understand the difference between a presentation
of opinion and one of fact, that's nobody's problem but your own.

Laz> If you want to make generalizations you ought
Laz> to be be prepared to back them up with reasons why you think
Laz> they're valid.

Quite true, I've said this very thing myself.  (Did you pull the text
out of a previous post or did you quote me from memory?)  Now show me
where in *this* thread I ever said my contention was true of all men,
or even a majority sample of the male race.  Otherwise, don't accuse
me of making generalizations -- it makes you look less intelligent
than I *know* you are.


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