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From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Date: 1 Jan 1993 04:43:11 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:

>Well, the miscellaneous ramblings of a lone Commodore employee on the
>phone hardly constitute policy (and if that sounds harsh, its meant
>to be; some employees have no concept they're representing their
>employer when they're on the phone).  As far as I'm concerned, the
>policy about opening the 4000 is clearly stated in the owners manual.

	Ideally, that would be true.  However, once they cancel
your warranty, they more willing to listen to their computer/
file/whatnot than to you.

	In my case, they canceled mine when I called in for Gold
Service and tried to explain how I found the problem.  I
called back later and despite someone else at Gold Service
(a phone answerer) who assured me that I did nothing to cancel
my warranty, the engineer wouldn't even talk to me.  A letter
I sent went unanswered, and I finally went to a sympathetic
dealer (KJ Computers in Granada Hills, LA, really great people
unlike the pinheads at Creative) to get everything fixed.

	My advice to everyone now is to lie through your teeth when
talking to Gold Service and find a nice dealer and patronize
them a lot.

--Andre

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From: jason@aspen.math.uh.edu (Jason Grimes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 or NOT
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:03:59 GMT
Reply-To: jason@aspen.math.uh.edu (Jason Grimes)

In article <1992Dec22.131337.22119@zds-oem.zds.com>,
benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com (Adam Benjamin) writes:
|> I vaguely remember playing some text adventure written in basic on a PET
|> at the local Community college.  I only remember falling into a pool that
|> was full of mercury... anyway,  What did (does?) PET stand for? anything?
|> is it Pretty Electronic Thing?  Programable Electronics & Transistors?
|> What what?
|> 
|> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
|>    //   benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com  OR    af987@yfn.ysu.edu
|>  \X/  Adam Benjamin          Insert snappy humor here
|> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

I think it stands for Personal Electronic Translator.

Jason
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:06:59 GMT
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Martin Ozolins (monster@mbear.apana.org.au) wrote:
:
: I thought it was due to poor programming which needed a faster CPU to
: cover it up
:

You probably also think that c.s.a.a. is a source of reliable information.
In fact, I bet that's where you got that great tidbit of fact above.

:
: Martin Ozolins :Internet monster@mbear.apana.org.au
:
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:22:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.185526.14646@samba.oit.unc.edu> John.Carver@launchpad.unc.edu (John Carver) writes:
>
>I just saw, at a major computer store, a 486/33 machine from a major clone
>vendor advertized for $999.  This $999 price *inluded* a 15 inch monitor,
>SVGA graphics in 1024x768x8, and a 2400 modem.
>
>Alas I think there is no way Commodore can compete with that.  Even
>though Commodore clearly has a better, more powerful system, quality
>does *not* sell computers.  Price sells computers.

   You're wrong.  Software sells computers.  Price is important but secondary.

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: CDTV console due soon
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:02:37 GMT

In article <BzoBLK.M4r@rahul.net> mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick) writes:

>I brought this up to Jim Dionne at the WOC/Pasadena, and he smiled and
>said "Wait until CES (next month), I think you will like what you will
>see".

Does anyone have the dates handy for the upcoming CES?

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32528 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19343
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:59:30 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>  Of course, they could do what I did to my Amiga, bought an external
>drive. So both of my Amigas have an external floppy, much easier to move
>them from machine to machine than ms-dog machines floppy drives. DJ.

Excuse us for liking to have our periphearls INSIDE the machine!  Give
me a break...now having external floppy drives is a *FEATURE*.
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:41:12 GMT

Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

>    I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
> productivity software available for the Amiga.

That's true Marc, CygnusEd Professional, SAS C 6.1, Video Toaster's
software, Real 3D 2.0, they all suck, they're lousy and all inferior
to even most basic MicroSoft products. And of course we all know how
one definately can not hook all those CD-ROMs available via SCSI. God
you're pathetic, Marc.

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:47:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec22.153943.20019@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 22 Dec 1992 03:01:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <BzMzJ3.86n@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>   The CDTV isn't a computer.  Commodore said so.
>>Emphasis on the word SAID.  Since they seem to be marketing this nice little
>>package called the professional bundle, which includes a keyboard, mouse, and
>>disk drive, with WorkBench 1.32, and I'm typing this on a CDTV now, it seems
>>to be a computer to me.  Deal.
>   When I compare CD-ROM desktop computer systems, I am usually talking about
>systems with a current OS, detached keyboard, hi-res non-interlaced display,
>fast 32-bit CPU, 262,144-color or 16-million-color palette, and CD-ROM drive.
>How does your "professional" CDTV measure up in this regard?

Well, so your definition of 'computer' means all that?  Then I guess most
Macintosh computers, Atari's, IBM's, mainframes, supercomputers, and
workstations aren't computers since they either don't come standard 
with 24 bit palettes, CD-ROM drives, hi-res non-interlaced displays, or
detached keyboards.  First you say the CDTV isn't a computer, and when someone
shows you it is, you add on these ridiculous requirements so you can
recover what's left of your argument, if you can call your posting that.
Learn to deal with failure, because life is full of it.

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From: sjchmura@kimbark.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:28:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.062234.6863@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.180028.13742@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>When you add this up, add tax and shipping, you can hit
>>$1300 and still not have a monitor!
>
>This price is quite high. In Canada, the three pieces are going for $1300 or
>~$1000 U.S. This includes a 40 MB drive and 1960 multisync. For an additional,
>$79, most dealers will bundle an 80 MB drive.
Are there 1-800 numbers for Canadian mail order places?  $1000 US is a real
deal.

I have been shopping/calling for 3 days.  The problem is that some dealers
who have good prices (AmigaMan, $850 A1200+85meg installed) will not
ship it "outside their region" or C= will void their authorization.

Creative Computers will ship it with a reciept saying I bought it in
Ca.  They will, however, only ship the 40meg C= version and will not
give a "bundle deal" for an 85 meg version.

If anyone has any info on these great Canadian prices and how we in
the states could take advantage of them please let me know.

Is Safe HArbor an authorised dealewr 
by the way?  I asked and the guy said "I guess".



-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:47:58 GMT
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Andre T. Yew (andrey@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
:
: >Yes, Unix has protected memory; that doesn't mean that it's bug free.  The
: >Worm took advantage of bugs in Unix, and took immense knowledge and ingenuity
: >to create.  On the other hand, a second-week computer science student would
: >have no problem intentionally screwing up a system without memory protection.
:
: 	Aren't the both of you forgetting that UNIX also has user
: privileges, and that's what makes it harder to write something
: that can infiltrate the filesystem?  On single-user things like
: the AmigaOS and OS/2, a program can still trash the disk if it
: wanted to, right?  I think it goes beyond memory protection.
:

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that there is *no way* to write
directly to the disk sectors under OS/2, except from a device driver.  Also,
although an OS/2 program can freely erase important files from the (local)
disk, the really crucial stuff (kernel, shared libs, drivers) is still
protected agaomst modification and erasure.

: --Andre
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:03:30 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec28.153620.13038@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Most of the computer industry believes that Windows is not a worthwhile OS?
>I wasn't aware of this.

A great deal, lad.  Much of the industry has problems beleiving it's
an OS at all, remember?

>Sure it's an antique, but why is it broken?  It works just fine.  BTW, when
>did this discussion shift from Windows to DOS?

Since when didn't Windows require it?  They might as well be one in
the same product, if you want to run Windows.

And it's more than an antique.  It's an antique PROGRAM LOADER.  It's
a BROKEN OS.  Period.  If you make an attempt to consider MS/DOS an
OS, you fail.  That says it's broken.  Except millions of users have
been using it instead of a real one for years.

What was that millions of users argument?  Maybe we should all drop
our Coherent/AmigaOS/OS-9/Plan 9 boxes and just run MS-DOS!  We'll
stick a program that has user-writable subprograms under it, and we'll
call it Windows!  NOT.  MS-DOS has problems.  Windows inherited them.
OS/2 at least had the brains to realize how screwed up they were, as
did NT, and decoupled the screwed up parts from the rest of the
system.

>And Plan 9 is supposed to replace Unix.  Does that mean that Unix is not
>a worthwhile OS?

Unix is, at least, considered by most to be an operating system, so
it's got a headstart.  Unix does the job.  There are millions of
people out there who are satisfied to run just enough to get the job
done.

One couldn't even lie and call most Unix systems efficient.  Does that
make it not worthwhile?  No, of course not.  However, it is an
operating system, doubtless.

Windows is, in the end, a program that runs under MS-DOS and allows
user subprograms to run under it.  As a program, it's a great feat.
As an OS, it's a kludge, a hack, and rather inefficient in some
places.

I'm not going to get into this any further, because I've said more
than enough on the subject.  Suffice to say that one would call Unix
and Plan 9 worthwhile because they are.

>It *was* always better, because Windows was moving 256-color graphics on an
>800x600 screen, while the Amiga had 4 colors at 640x400.

The air is getting thick, methinks...  In the end, this argument will
yield nothing, as it has in the past.

>It wasn't slow, but it certainly had room for improvement, just like
>everything does.

Agreed.  Windows NT could be one of the OSes of the decade.
Unfortunately, it's going to miss that mark by twice as much as OS/2
did.

Greg


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:34:47 GMT
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Neal Wickham (nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
:
: Further, your still talking about a 486DX on an ISA 16-bit bus, 16-bit ram, 
: a slow VGA card, and no sound.
:

ISA 386DX and 486 machines do not have "16-bit RAM".  The path to memory
on such machines is 32 bits wide.

:
:   NCW
:  
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:30:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.170500.21893@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>:
>: 	Funny, I can move both my windows and my screens both horizontally
>: and vertically.
>:
>
>Really?  You can have, for example, one screen covering up the left half
>of another?

	Now you must be joking...you have just suggested that you know how
the screens work. Why the hell are you still playing dumb? I can move my
screens horizontally, however I cannot do what you describe above because 
the Amiga does not support that, and I don't think it will for the moment.
Read the RKMs, however, and you'll see that they made room for it via
software. But, my statement is still true; I can move any screen horizontally
provided that its horizontal resolution is less than that of the next
screen.

>: 	And as far as apps talking to each other, hell when did the Mac
>: introduce it's app ports? ARexx and Rexx have been around for years, and
>: ports have always been there.
>:
>
>The Mac has had a useful clipboard since day one.

	CRAPBOARD more like it! Do you know what ARexx is, or what a message
port is? I just have to press both mouse buttons, and a small window will
open up listing all my curren screens. Then when I hit SAVE it saves the
screen as a picture to ram. Does the Clipboard do this? Does the Clipboard
support audio? Can the Clipboard tell AdPro to convert 130 GIF files to 
a 1300 IFF8 anim? Can the Clipboard tell Edplayer to play all the files
in data: in random order? Can the Clipboard tell the Workbench to close
when DPaint wants more memory?

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |

	The Shekhy monster.


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Thanks Gwen. Like I said, I had faith in #3. At least it answers the phone now.
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Subject: Re: Doom and gloom (was Re: DataTax will be out in Jan (U.S. version))
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:33:24 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <BznD74.G2y@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <57896@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>[really funny stuff deleted]
>>>Hopefully the oppinions of an ex-Amiga-developer will allow Commodore to see
>>>what needs to be done.
>>
>>	Gee, gang... Marc used to be a developer!  One who never produced any
>>products, to my knowledge.  And he made a lot of, uh, "friends" at Commodore
>>too, from what I have heard.
>
>   I KNEW when I posted that message that I should have clarified that point.
>My first impulse after posting it was to cancel the message and re-post it,
>but then I thought that most intelligent life forms would understand my
>meaning.  I should have paid more attention to my first impulse.
>
>   Anyway, I was talking about the developers of DataTax, DataMax I think was
>their name.  The no longer publish Amiga software, and have explicity stated
>why.  They feel that the Amiga market in the U.S. not nearly strong enough to
>support a good tax perparation program.  Anyway, DataMax is the ex-Amiga-
>developing company that I referred to.  I was not referring to myself.

So are you saying you wern't a developer for CBM?


>
>>                                                        Dan
>>							(Still no relation)
>
>   You hope!  :-) :-) :-)
>
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From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:29:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <38092@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>crowd. When I see Sierra, SSI, and EA (Origin included) all dropping 
>The 1200 is probably a going to be a big success.  That will probably
>change things.  (BTW, where'd you hear EA was dropping the Amiga ?
>That doesn't match with what I've heard)

Well, LucasArts and 360 are leaving the Amiga market, and EA distributed some
360 stuff, so maybe there was confusion there.

(LucasArts info was from a few posts in c.s.a.games and 360 info from
 the Harpoon mailing list nd GEnie and info from the Harpoon Hotline).


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:07:23 GMT
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
:
: 	If you do not know what I mean when I say screen, then you are 
: missing the best innovation in multitasking systems.
:

No offense, but although screens are a cute feature, I prefer windowing
systems, where each window can be dragged horizontally as well as vertically,
and applications have consistent user interfaces and know how to talk to each
other.

:
: I would like to upload
: a pic to show everyone what it looks like, but I can't put all those
: different palettes into one picture! Please someone with AGA make a pic
: of lots of screens the way it looks on an Amiga and upload it somewhere.
:

You're right -- it would probably make a spectacular image.
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|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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