HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Subject: Re: Why the FDA raided Wright
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:34:08

In article <1470194@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:

   Dr. Wright sued the FDA last year after they removed his entire stock of
   uncontaminated L-tryptophan in July 1991. He has some uncontaminated stock 
   that had been assayed by a prestigious medical institution. His suit against 
   the FDA regarding the L-tryptophan was coming up in July 1992, and the FDA 
   raided his office in May. The timing was remarkably coincidental.

   The FDA entered all five of the clinic's doors simultaneously but only found
   it necessary to break down the front door. The FDA brought along a locksmith 
   who picked the locks on the back four doors, but they didn't have him pick the
   lock on the front door. They broke the front door and came running in with guns
   and flak jackets as a show of force and intimidation. If they weren't into
   intimidation in this raid, they could have picked all five locks, but they
   didn't.

   The FDA even confiscated $50 worth of postage stamps. Wright said "I thought
   postage stamps were legal - they do have little pictures of the American
   flag."

Aparently Dr. Wright was into more than just L-tryptophan.  An article
I read (I appologize that I cannot remember the source) debunked the
above rendition of the facts.  The facts included that the armed
men where US marshalls (not the FDA) and the Dr. Wright had some amounts
of illicit drugs.  The raid had nothing to do with L-tryptophan.

It would be nice if accurate reports where given,  rather then reports
only meant to inflame righteous indignation.  The "War on Drugs" seems
rife with plenty of material to upset those who believe in the US 
Constitution,  without resort to hyperbole.

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From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: water purification/is drinking pure water bad for you?
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:01:32 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992

On <Sep 11 18:01> Jolly C. Pancakes writes:

 JCP>       What in the heck is an *organic* mineral ?

Oil?
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From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:03:47 GMT
	<ayvnrrr.strnlght@netcom.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Eric Zorilla says that the therapy should not only be helpful to
>patients, but be more helpful than a placebo. I agree.
> 
>Zorilla rejects the need for a credible theoretical underpinning as an
>ancillary requirement. I don't agree. Without such a basis, one is
>simply kicking the TV set to fix it, and may get lucky, or may damage
>it further.  Moreover, one is blind with respect to refining and
>focussing one's therapeutic techniques. Sounds like an argument for
>random drugging or lobotomizing patients.

If the need for a credible theoretical underpinning were a requirement
for some agent to be a valid therapy we would not have most of the
pharmacology that we have today. Few of the major classes of drugs were
well understood before they were first used in patients (digitalis,
for example, had been used for well over a hundred years before anyone
understood any of the theory and there are many other therapies which,
in some form or another, may have been used for many centuries before).

What you may be alluding to is the need to have some basis for initiating
trial studies in humans or animals. A "theoretical underpinning" may be
one way to justify the trial of a substance which has been synthesized
according to some principles of pharmacology but for which there exists
no analog in clinical experience, Such agents are far less common
than those tested because serendipity or keen observation has suggested
that they might be effective. In those latter cases, the theory may come
well after the observation.

Sean McLinden
From: liny@sun16.scri.fsu.edu (Nemo)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Cold hands and feet
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:19:39 GMT
Reply-To: lin@ray.met.fsu.edu

My hands and feet turn icy cold when I'm in a cool environment.  My feet
turn cold even in an air-conditioned room.  The hands are better, probably
because I use them on a keyboard all the time, but they also turn cold 
when the temperature drops to, say, 60 deg F.  My father also has the same
problem.  I guess it's caused by inadequate blood flow (do blood vessels 
contract when cold?).  Exercise or immersion in hot water can provide 
temporary relief.  Is there a better way to deal with this problem?  

Thanks for any advice!  I'm hoping to get this thing resolved before 
another winter is here.
From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Doctors are Often the First to Recognize an Abused Child
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:09:33 GMT
Organization: Trivializers R Us

In <_-ynffd.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com () writes:
>In article <16452@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>>In article <98snwgp.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:
>>>
>>>It is often the case that a child's doctor will be the first
>>>to recognize that the child is being abused.  If you are a doctor,
>>>would you know how to spot abuse?  It's not always clear-cut.  
>>
>>I felt very bad, because my suspicion had been correct, but I did
>>not have anything objective to go with it. So, yes, physicians
>>are sometimes the first to suspect something. But no, they can't
>>always do something about it.

>I appreciate your thoughtful response and encourage you to 
>read alt.missing-kids    .... in it, I think you'll find lots of
>useful information.  And, by the way, you're right.  There's not
>always something that can be done, but by sharing information, maybe
>the next doctor who is faced with the same situation will take
>different action.  You certainly can't blame yourself for what
>you did or did not do in the case you described.       

In the issue of JAMA this spring that dealt with domestic violence
(mostly spousal abuse, but also some on children), there was an
interesting piece in which one doctor reported that the number of
cases he saw increased sharply when he changed his history-taking
questions from "How did this happen?" (Answer: "I fell" etc) to
"Did someone do this to you?" or "Are you in danger?" Another article
in the same issue reported a survey of doctors who said they felt
uncomfortable asking questions that might uncover abuse in significant
part because they had virtually no training in what to do next...

paul
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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Doctors are Often the First to Recognize an Abused Child
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:28:18 EDT

In article <98snwgp.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:
>It is often the case that a child's doctor will be the first
>to recognize that the child is being abused.  If you are a doctor,
>would you know how to spot abuse?  It's not always clear-cut.  

In New York State, no medical license will be renewed this year
until the physician attends a state certified 2 hour course on
child abuse detection and reporting, and submits to the proper
authorities a particular form certifying attendence at a certified
course, OR the physician submits satisfactory evidence that his or
her practice of medicine does not involve contact with children.
This applies to all specialties. 

And oh yes, the fee for a medical license has been increased substantially.


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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:13:01 EDT

In article <=7rn2_p.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>John Setel O'Donnell says, in a recent message: "Try to suppress the
>coding and you suppress the individual without healing what's wrong."
>
>That's the premise of much of the therapeutic community. Others
>ask not "Why?" but "What would it take to change?" In particular
>the Neuro-lingustic Programming people are famous for 15 minute
>phobia cures of patients long in therapy without success. They
>have other techniques for what are ordinarily considered neurotic
>symptoms.

Yeah, right.  Another pseudotherapy movement, made up out of whole cloth 
by clever marketers.  There are none zero zip studies of efficacy of 
NLP techniques, nothing but outrageous claims of this sort.  Its too 
bad, since there are some very interesting ideas in NLP.  But hey, why
conduct experiements if you can charge big bucks for "therapy" and
training workshops!    

>
>Orthodox psychiatrists would argue that the symptoms are simply suppressed,
>and will recur, perhaps in other ways. It would seem the empirical
>data from the NLP crowd calls this assumption into question.

Does the NLP crowd have empirical data?  Many rational mainstream
psychiatrists and psychologists would doubt the canard that symptoms
supressed over here pop out over there.  




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From: sheryl@seas.gwu.edu (Sheryl Coppenger)
Subject: Re: hair loss in female
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:06:10 GMT

In article <19478@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, avr@cs.purdue.EDU (Andrew V. Royappa) writes...
>> 
>>My wife is depressed by the fact that she loses a clump of hair every
>>day. She has long black hair and it is definitely much less dense than
>>it was three years ago. This has been going on for at least a year or
>>two. She is now 22 years old and in good health.
>> 

I have been told that insufficient protein intake will cause hair loss.
This came from the people in the Diet Management Program at a local
university.

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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: [Prescription Privileges]
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:22:32 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla) writes:
> Suppose the training was specialized to a particular class of drugs (or
> drugs appropriate for specific DSM-III-R disorders and possible side
> effects).  I agree with the residency requirement, but it seems that
> one to two years of directed schooling could fulfill that role.  It seems
> unreasonable to ask a psychologists to go through a complete MD/PhD curriculum
> enduring rotations which are quite tangential to their real interests
> (e.g., dermatology, ob/gyn).  Clearly, the relatedness of these body systems
> and medications which act on them to psychotropic drugs and the brain are
> necessarily understood, however.

Hypothetical question:  Should a psychologist be comfortable with prescribing
"psychological drugs" (per above) to patients who may have underlying 
diabetes, cirrhosis, tendencies to allergy, lupus, COPD, or a zillion other 
problems that flesh is heir to?  Seems to me that such a pt should be 
treated by someone trained in these diseases as well as psychological 
problems.  

I'm a lay person, and I've seen drunks many times, and uncontrolled
schizophrenics, but I once met an "out-of-control diabetic" I would
have sworn was drunk and schizophrenic.  I was sure glad the arresting
officers took him to the ER, where the real problem was swiftly diagnosed. 

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Phobias, NLP, etc (was Re: Xanax)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:03:56 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:

|In article <1992Sep15.032257.19732@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
|wrote:
|> David, I'm simply lowering myself to your level.  You're not tolerated here
|> because _nothing_ you write is useful.  You're a distraction and a waste
|> of time.  Now scram.
|> [...]
|> The sooner you disappear the sooner we'll be finished with this.

|Actually, David _is_ useful.  He has inspired me to try to add kill file
|support to NewsWatcher, the news reader I use on my Mac.

Actually, I'm having more fun watching David set himself up for Steve
et al to knock down than I've had since Kingsley was posting all his
pet theories to the net.  Thanks to all participants.

	/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
              N1MNF  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
                     |					-- S. J. Perelman
From: cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Help with muscles...
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:11:03 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


 Hello, I have been training in the martial arts ( Karate ) for several years
 now and I still have a problem with my flexibility. When I train several
 times in a week, my muscles become stiff and sore due to overstretching I
 guess. I stretch every time I train , before training. I would like to know
 what is the best way to stretch to attain maximum flexibility? Is it 
 every day, every second day?  Do I pull hard for a short while or do I
 pull soft for a long time ? When my muscles hurt, do I stretch them or do
 I wait for several days for the pain to dissappear before I stretch again?
 This is frustrating, after so many years, my muscles still stiffen after
 heavy stretching. I am 22 years old if this is a factor in it.

 I would appreciate any help with this problem, also can you point out
 the right professional to see for this ie: M.D. or P.T. or O.T. ???

 Martin Cholete
 cholette@jsp.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: headaches (was Re: Xanax)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:46:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


From his other literate and thoughtful posts, I know Gordon Banks
knows better than to lump NLP and est with Scientology, and post
such a "guilt by association" smear.

I hope it was an inadvertence. If not, I'd like to know if he
has evidence that NLP or est have been challenged by governments
and some of its core practitioners jailed for criminal behavior
associated with the "movement" as has Scientology. I'd like
to know if reputable MDs and Ph.Ds in universities and elsewhere
are associated with Scientology as they are with NLP and est.
I'd like to know if NLP and est have been attacked by governments
and had to change to becoming a "religion" in order to protect
their "therapies" from the FDA.

Fair is fair, Gordon.
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: tiger lilly
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:26:09 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: brekke@gaia.grida.no.grida.no's message of 10 Sep 92 12:07:17 GMT

>>>>> On 10 Sep 92 12:07:17 GMT, brekke@gaia.grida.no.grida.no (Bente Brekke) said:
Bente> My boyfriends sister is writing a paper on the toxic and
Bente> medical effects of several garden plants. She is especially
Bente> interested in information on andreferences to the Tiger lilly
Bente> (lilium tigrinum), particularly the chemical composition and
Bente> effects of it's toxic substances. 

For thousands of years, Chinese have been using Tiger Lily to cure
illness. Throughout the period, its medicial use had been documented
in several Chinese medicine classics.

Tiger Lily is so common among Chinese cooking that you can find it in
almost every Chinese grocery shop. For example, a properly prepared
hot-and-sour soup includes Tiger Lily. When steaming fishes, people
often include Tiger Lily. Also, Tiger Lily is a key part of Chinese
vegetarian diet. 

In the book "Chinese System of Food Cures" by Henry C. Lu, there is a
small description on Tiger Lily under the section "Lily Flower":

    "cool; sweet; libricates the lungs; relieves nervousness; affects
    the lungs. ... Boil 40 g lily flowers for half an hour and sweeten
    with sugar. Drink the juice at bedtime to cure insomnia. ... Lily
    flower is referred to by the Chinese people as the
    'sorrow-forgetting flower' because it can relieve nervousness and
    let you forget your sorrow."

Tiger Lily is also known as Day Lily.


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From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: baboon liver recipient
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:45:47 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1992Sep12.185523.12905@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>
>But this I find interesting.  How can I ask this without sounding completely
>ignorant?  Was the liver from a young baboon?  That is I wouldn't have thought
>that a mature organ would grow.  Also, in a mature baboon and human, what are
>the relative sizes of the livers?  Is the final organ size determined only
>by the organ itself, or is there interaction with other organs and tissues?

The baboon was somewhere in his teens (I don't remember exactly right now)
which put him close to the over-the-hill category (baboons live into their
early twenties). The liver is special in that it will regenerate, even after
reaching an adult size. If you take 75% of someone's liver out, for instance,
it will grow its mass back in a relatively short period of time. It won't
grow an exact copy (that is a new anatomically correct right lobe or left
lateral segment) but it will regenerate its previous mass. There are some
exceptions, like in the case of cirrhosis, when this won't happen.

We were interested to see, among other things, if this would also happen when
you went accross species.It evidently does. The final liver volume in this
patient was about 2 1/2 times the starting one. This is important for future
transplants because baboons are a lot smaller than humans, and there is going
to be a significant size mismatch (at least when it comes to adults).

-------------------------
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu

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From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Subject: Re: 15 min phobia cures (was Re: Xanax)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<lb1igjINNgh7@news.bbn.com> <yxvng!p.strnlght@netcom.com>
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:45:46

In article <yxvng!p.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

   Joel Levin asks how the phobic cures were demonstrated. In the cases I'm
   familiar with, the phobia was a fear of snakes, the idea of snakes or 
   anything to do with snakes. The patient was holding, fondling and
   ....

May I suggest that you adopt the standard practice of including in 
your post (at least) the portion of the author's post you are
responding to?  It is far kinder to the reader,  who does not have
to go find the original posting,  and to you,  whom will not be 
accused of misstating what the original post had said.
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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:36:06 GMT

In article <18vc1bINNg0r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) writes:
>
>References: <1992Sep10.120146.18318@omen.UUCP>  
>
>
>In a previous article, caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) says:
>
>>Some time ago there was a discussion about the prevalence of obesity
>>among the populations of the US and Europe.
>>
>>A paper appearing in the latest issue of the International Journal of
>>Obesity confirms the observations reported on the net.  Hyperobesity
>>was markedly greater in the US than either France or the UK.
>>
>>"There was a strikingly high percentage of very obese women (>50%
>>overweight) in the USA (8% or the population) as compared to the
>>two European countries (2% in France and 3% in the UK)."
>>
>>The study did not find any link between egg or meat consumption and obesity.
>>
>>As mentioned previously, fat consumption is higher in France
>>than in the US, slightly lower in the UK.
>>
>>Carbohydrate consumption is much higher in the US.
>
>
>
>I wish there could be a study properly controlled for actual amount of
>exercise in daily life, as well as for dieting.  Seems to me Europeans are
>much more likely to live in cities or villages than Americans.  We live, to
>a large extent, in suburbs, and drive everywhere.  Europeans are more
>likely to walk places.  Instead of a run to the Gigantimarket once a month,
>they instance, they walk to stores every day for food.

The study did report on exercise.  "Exercise frequency showed no
graded relationship with obesity, as the ORs were similar in the
two exercising categories.  This might be considered as a
consequence of obesity"

The conference on Methods for Voluntary Weight Loss and Control,
National Institutes of Health Technology Assessment Conference
Statement concludes: "The amount of weight lost through exercise
usually ranges from 4 to 7 pounds."

>Also, American women (the study only looked at women?) diet.  Every woman
>who has any tendency not to be slim has been on numerous diets.  That alone
>might explain the discrepancy, if dieting really puts on weight in the long
>run.

Careful, that is a religious subject with obesity experts that advocate diets.

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From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Re: Doctors are Often the First to Recognize an Abused Child
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:22:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <16452@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <98snwgp.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:
>>
>>
>>It is often the case that a child's doctor will be the first
>>to recognize that the child is being abused.  If you are a doctor,
>>would you know how to spot abuse?  It's not always clear-cut.  
>
>
>I felt very bad, because my suspicion had been correct, but I did
>not have anything objective to go with it. So, yes, physicians
>are sometimes the first to suspect something. But no, they can't
>always do something about it.
>
> -km


I appreciate your thoughtful response and encourage you to 
read alt.missing-kids    .... in it, I think you'll find lots of
useful information.  And, by the way, you're right.  There's not
always something that can be done, but by sharing information, maybe
the next doctor who is faced with the same situation will take
different action.  You certainly can't blame yourself for what
you did or did not do in the case you described.       

lindae@netcom.com