From: gt9593a@prism.gatech.EDU (SHAMIM,MUHAMMAD ARIF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Is Islam equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:21:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug24.232511.16301@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.215825.9451@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.145921.5933@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>>Some time last week I suppose Pakistan's ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto
>>>has been accused of blasphemy by the federal minister (?) of religious
>>>affairs. She seems to have expressed her reservations about the proposed
>>>enaction of a fundamentalist Islamic system for the country. Later she
>>>expressed her concern about a threat to her life. Let me add that her father,
>>>who was himself a prime minister of Pakistan, had been hanged during General
>>>Zia's fundamentalist rule, following a military coup.
>>>
>>>Nadeem
>>
>>what does this incident have to do with islam and intolerance. I am not
>>arguing fro or against tolerance in religions but the above incident is
>>political in nature.
>
>In Pakistan, Islam is considered as an absolute determinant... one that can 
>veto what the people decide according to the democratic process. This 
>incident shows the kind of issues considered significant in the country.
>It shows how Islam is used to harrass someone. The problem we face is not
>the intolerance that/if Islam explicitly supports.... it's the intolerance
>that comes as a net effect of Islam. 
>
>>
>>sahibzada rafay khan[]
>>
>
>Nadeem
>
 
Dear Jamali:

It is apparent from your above statements that you do not
seem to understand the difference between a "theory" and its
"practical" application. Also, it may well be the case of
having grudge agianst some idea that you *cannot* perceive
its constructive effects. You appear to miss the point that
misuse or incorrect application of a proven theory can lead
to undesirable results. Let me explain it more clearly in
simple terms so probably you can understand. 

You cannot label a calculator as "damaged," if you do not
know its use or do not carefully follow its instructions.
Most students did not like HP-41 CX model when it was
introduced. It wasn't the calculator, nor it was the
manufacturer's fault. The USERS who did not follow the
instructions given in its manual could not operate it.

If you wash delicate clothes in your washing machine
selecting inappropriat,
there are many of them. And, if you adopt one of them
correctly, you will be at a great advantage. If a pro
teaches me a swing which works for almost everybody but
me, merely because I cannot implement it in a correct
manner. I cannot say that my pro taught me something 
wrong; and, I cannot say that the swing is not "correct."

Assuming you have a better understanding of a "concept" and
its "applications," we can move forward. If Islam is not
practised by Pakistanis or as you said it if "Islam is used
to hayou do not understand the gravity of
this statement or probably you understand the culture and
law practised in Pakistan is "Islamic." Please visit
Pakistan to clarify your own statement. If a society allows
nurturing of a secular state; abuse of women; ignorance of
poor, powerless and needy citizens; indifference towards
Muslim nations beseiged by invaders; and hungry muslims
suffering in other countries and still be "ISLAMIC" where
it is an "ABSOLUTE DETERMINANT" in your opinion, THEN I must
say that my brothor 11 years. At that time they did
not want to discuss "free elections" or "democratic rule" in
Pakistan. However, they can use these solgans if a ruler
does not "comply unconditionally" to their terms. Then
democracy becomes number 1 priority in those country.

Democracy in third world or Arab countries provides the West
with a wide open choice of IDIOTS who wholeheartedly take
care of their master's interest ignoring the needs of their
own people. I agree with you that democracy is better (than
Martial Law), but only if itse
very well - so well that even most of us support it,blindly.
Pakistanis should not be complaining about US attitude, but
learning from it. If there is somebody who can take GOOD
care of our interest, it is us - not US. The West takes care
of its own interests, so should we. Therefore, instead of
democracy and secularism in Pakistan, we should establish
Islamic society that takes care of its own people first. It
should treat poor, needy, non-muslims and foreigners in
country equally and fairly. Leaving Islam will leave us
NOWHERE.


You've a good one now ...

ARIF SHAMIM


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>Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>						 
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