HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: UPenn. and UT Austin Part time. 
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:34:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.123508.27066@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> agoodloe@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Alwyn Goodloe) writes:
>   I was recently considering relocating from the N. Va. area to other
>areas of the country. Two  of the areas which I was considering was
>Austin Texas and Phil. Pa. A particular attraction of each area was
>the University of Texas and Penn. Each catalogue mentions that they
>allow  part time students but do they in reality. No employee these days

UT Austin doesn't offer any night classes at all.  There may be some
late afternoon classes, but I wouldn't count on much availability.

>Al Goodloe
>agoodloe@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
>
>
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: cyoder@adobe.com (Conrad Yoder)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:34:59 GMT

I don't think anyone has touched on the GRE subject tests, but I'd like to take
this opportunity to bash them. :)

I went to MIT as an undergrad and got a miserable score on my CS subject test
(65 %ile).   I had a B+ average there, and I am now at Stanford in the MSCS
program, doing just as well if not better. I was offered a TA position at
Stanford but instead chose to take this part-time job at Adobe.  So as you
can see, I sorta know what I'm doing.  This just goes to show that the subject
tests are not geared for all styles of undergrad teaching.  Stanford wisely 
does not look at subject test scores (but Berkeley does, so I get rejected
there).  What does count is your transcript and good letters of reccomendation.

So if you bomb(ed) it (or possibly even another subject test) don't worry - all
is not lost!

-Conrad Yoder
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: pursell@cheshire.oxy.edu (William Robert Pursell)
Subject:  Gre scores
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:00:32 GMT

It was mentioned that while a score of 650 was good enough to get
into an humanities department, a similar score in the A and Q
sections was not good enough for CS Grad study.

An important point that seems to have been overlooked is
that a 650 on verbal translates to about the 90th percentile, 
whereas an 650 on quantitative is pretty low.  (I don't have
the exact stats, but 800 on quantitative this year was 96%
and 690 verbal was 94%)

So a 650 verbal is simply a better score than a 650 quan., and
difficulty being accepted to a CS program with a 650 q isn't 
necessarily a result of more competition...it's simply an
indication of its being a lower score.`
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Best schools?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:39:47 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: world
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Originator: clin@periodic.eng.umd.edu


In article <6003@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, einararn@rhi.hi.is (Einar Arnason) writes:
>Reykjavk 240193
>
>	Since you people have been talking a lot about GRE which i was
>in fact thinking of taking one day, I would like to know (when i get my
>"almost-perfect" score (being a foreigner?)) a fundamental thing...
>That is which are the 10 best scools and why? I am mainly interested in
>best in terms of biology but everything counts. If you get a nice
>GRE-scores and apply for one of those like your applications, does one
>then automaticly get scolarship? 
>

    The top-ten schools in the US is not an official list made up
by a select group (though there are people who attempt to make this
claim).   One person's top ten listing will be different from another
person's top ten list.   Essentially, there are opinions of what school
is perceived to be the best.    I would not look at a general list
of top ten schools, if you can get a top ten list of biology schools,
as they can be very different from one another.

    For example, in the area of engineering, I would list (in no
particular order), schools that might be considered good in engineering,
and they are just my opinion.   Stanford, M.I.T., California Institute
of Technology, University of California at Berkeley, University of
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Cornell University, Princeton
University, University of Texas at Austin.   I'm sure I've left out
some other good schools, as well.   
  
    The top-ten schools are able to attract good students because students
perceive them to be good, and the schools also try hard to keep this
reputation by hiring people that are good in the field as professors.
Often, it's more the reputation that makes a school top-ten, to some,
than actual research, though top-ten schools usually have good
research.  Some lower ranked schools also do pretty good research, but
since lots of good students prefer to go to top-ten schools, that's
where the talent usually stays.

    As far as automatically getting a scholarship, your GRE scores are
somewhat important, but good grades, and good recommendations (from
someone famous) will probably be more important in whether you get
a scholarship or not.   Schools in the top-ten tend to have lots
of money and so if you are admitted, some of these schools can usually
guarantee that you get a scholarship.   However, in general, there
are no guarantees whether you get a scholarship or not.   It really
depends on how much money a school can afford to give out in scholarships
and some schools have more money than others.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew)
Subject: Marketing PhD Admissions
Summary: Marketing PhD Admissions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:51:22 GMT
Keywords: Marketing PhD Admissions


I am interested in aplying to marketing doctoral programs
but can not find much information about the average
grade point averages and spread of grades among entering students.
I have been able to find info on GRE/GMAT scores.Does anyone know of
either a written source for this info or possibly have
information about the grades of entering marketing doctoral
students at their own school? I don't want to waste money applying to schools
that I\ have no chance at all of getting into. Thanks.

Andy,apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

.

Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Loren Larsen)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:08:14 MST
Reply-To: llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City

In article <1993Jan22.140906.6731@desire.wright.edu>, w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> I got my GRE scores back.
|> 
|> I don't know how to figure out whether I did 'good' or not, or mediocre or
|> what...
|> 
|> Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?
|> 
|> W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU

From what I know, you must be in the 80 or 85th percentile to be considered for
Admissions here at Utah.  Since we are rather 15th or so, that might be higher
than some other places.  A professor at Brigham Young University (which is 
not ranked) called below 75th percentile "blowing it".  

If you are in the 90's, you have a shot at really good schools (top 10).  If
you are in the 80's, I would guess that's good enough to have a shot at the
other places in the top 40.  I do know people in the 60's who have been 
admitted to PhD programs at good schools though.  

It really won't get you in, but it can keep you out.  Regardless of what your
score is, if the rest of your academic record is very strong, you still have
a chance.

Loren
Xref: sparky soc.college.grad:2375 misc.education:6159
From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad,misc.education
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:38:25 GMT
	<1k2davINN8m3@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
Followup-To: misc.education
Organization: Princeton University
To: owen-christopher@yale.edu (Christopher Owen)
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1k2davINN8m3@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> owen-christopher@yale.edu (Christopher Owen) writes:
   In article <1993Jan25.220503.25309@Virginia.EDU> mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (Matthew Jerome Rush) writes:
   >How important is your analytical score?  I did pretty average
   >on the first two, but got a 690 on what I like to call the
   >"Crossword Puzzle Book" section.  Did that really help me get
   >into a good English program?

   This really depends.  Some programs openly say that they don't consider the
   analytical score.  Most psychology programs for instance claim that they
   don't even look at it (unlikely but that is what they say).  My guess is
   that a good analytical score will of course help in english programs, but
   not all that much.

It has been my impression as well that the analytical score is widely
ignored.  But I do wonder why that is so.  At least superficially it
would seem to me that this score would come closest to measuring an
important inate ability ie. to reason logically quickly and
accurately, while the verbal test essentially only measures vocabulary
which anybody can acquire by reading and the quantitative test doesn't
touch on anything which any reasonably awake eighth grader even in an
american high school wouldn't have learned regardless of talent.  Does
anybody know ?

        Carl Edman
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: agathos@ccs.northeastern.edu (Michael W Wojcik)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:14:43 GMT

I wouldn't put too much weight on GRE scores.  My scores were 800V, 790Q,
800A, and 660 on the English subject test, and I was turned down by BU and
SUNY Buffalo, and accepted without aid to U Chicago.  Miami made a generous
offer (but they don't put much value on the GREs), and I accepted before I
heard from U Washington on aid (they accepted me).

I might point out, though, that BU's English PhD program only accepts 5
new students/year, and they did accept me into their MA program with possi-
bility of later admission into the PhD.  As for Buffalo, they have the repu-
tation of being a maverick school that doesn't regard GREs very highly, and
I think I overdid it on my writing sample.  Also, Chicago's MA program
traditionally does not provide much financial aid; the school uses it as
a money-maker.

Michael Wojcik
Graduate Assistant, Department of English, Miami University
Senior Technical Specialist _in absentia_, Creative Systems Interface, Inc.
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Foreign Students are better prepared for GRE (!!?) Was: Gre scores
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:24:56 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

K.C.Goh (goh@bode.usc.edu) wrote:
: foreign students, and in terms of GRE scores alone, the US students face
: very little competition from foreign students.

Well, I disagree with this premise.  The sheer volume of foreign students
applying to Computer Science and various Engineering graduate programs
make admissions tougher for everyone.  Note, I'm not saying this is a
bad thing, it's just a fact of life.  So while my friend can get a 650
on the Verbal and get accepted to a top English dept. grad school, a 
650 on Q and A would definitely not be acceptable for an engineering/CS
applicant.  But obviously US students face competition from foreign students,
or else US schools wouldn't have any foreign students!  :)

Please keep in mind I'm not 'knocking' foreign students -- I feel if someone's
qualified (in other areas besides GRE scores of course) they should be
allowed the opportunity to study abroad.

: I know a person who had a 2360 total in GRE and was rejected by both 
: Illinois-Urbana/Champaign and Cornell. So even pretty good scores 
: are no guarantee, although low scores would certainly disqualify you.

Yeah, GRE scores are more helpful in telling you what schools you 
definitely can't get into than guaranteeing that you will get in.  Last
year I applied to schools that I thought were 'safe' based on my scores,
and I didn't get in!  Maybe I'll have better luck this year now that I'm
finishing my M.S.

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
From: einararn@rhi.hi.is (Einar Arnason)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Best schools?
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:11:16 GMT

Reykjavk 240193

	Since you people have been talking a lot about GRE which i was
in fact thinking of taking one day, I would like to know (when i get my
"almost-perfect" score (being a foreigner?)) a fundamental thing...
That is which are the 10 best scools and why? I am mainly interested in
best in terms of biology but everything counts. If you get a nice
GRE-scores and apply for one of those like your applications, does one
then automaticly get scolarship? 

	Sorry about this strange mess but i am doing this in vi and
just hate it (does anyone know how to change the :post editor in nn to
Microemacs?)

Ptur Henry Petersen
Deptm. Biology			 
University of Iceland
php@lif.hi.is
From: w0318@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Gre scores
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:09:06 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

I got my GRE scores back.

I don't know how to figure out whether I did 'good' or not, or mediocre or
what...

Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?

W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: veerasam@utdallas.edu (Jey Veerasamy)
Subject: Re: GRE
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:16:10 GMT

 
> From: cads_remingt@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Elizabeth Remington)
> Subject: Re: GRE
> 
> DOES my GRE score mean i will not succeed in graduate school?  I doubt it.  It 
> seems crazy to disqualify people soley on a test score.  Why isn't past school 
> history a better indicator of grad school success?  
> 
> This puzzles me.


Unfortunately many (sad, including few top ranked) graduate schools use 
GRE scores to screen the applications in the first phase.
Particularly for international applicants, GRE scores are really important
as their grading system may be different and difficult to evaluate.
It is too sad, but I hope many other schools evaluate the applications 
in a better way, by considering all the credentials.

Jey.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Student Government Salaries/Compensation
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:55:07 GMT

Noah Smith (ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan19.063432.20857@trentu.ca>, jschklar@TrentU.CA wrote:
: > 
: > Friend... I don't know of said survey, but let me tell you about
: > "compensation" for student government at Trent University (a small
: > school in Ontario Canada).  Our work is strictly voluntary.  We
: > are expected to take a full time course load on top of this.
: > Needless to say there are problems especially now when people are
: > more focussed on grades than dedicating their lives to certain
: > causes.
: > 
: > Anyhow, just so you'd know...
: > 
: > Jay [President, Student Council, ret.]
: >     [Treasurer, Student Union, ret.]

: There isn't any compensation at my school, either.  If anyone even brought
: up the idea, there'd be an uproar across campus.  If Greg does a survey,
: he'll probably find the same is true at most North American campuses.

In fact, I don't believe that's the case.  That may be true at most of
the smaller North American schools, but the last time this subject
came up it turned out that lots of larger schools do pay student
government officials.  Stanford does pay its student government
officials salaries -- members of the Council of Presidents, until the
COP was at least temporarily abolished by popular vote for this year,
received $4000 for the year.  Which may seem like a lot, but given that
Stanford tuition/room&board/etc. is $22000/year and I make about that
much doing my 12-14 hour/week job, it's not _that_ unreasonable.  Of
course, it was unreasonable enough to get the COP voted out...Oh well.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: i3558@newsie.dc.dk (Soren Michael Roug)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Drink ages?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:32:02 GMT
Organization: Datacentralen A/S

eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M. Knell) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.160453.20162@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) writes:
>the Continent (that's Europe) the usual rule seems to be beer/wine/cider etc
>age 16, spirits age 18. Which seems pretty sensible to me. It would be very
>strange to go to the US and not get served in any pubs :-)

I don't know much about the rest of the Continent, but in Denmark we have
age 18 for serving at bars, resturants etc. And *NO* age limit in
supermarkets.
-- 
Venlig hilsen Soren Roug, <smr@dc.dk>                     DataCentralen
Telefon: 43 71 81 22 Lokal 3820, Telefax 43 71 33 12      Oldenburg Alle 1
						          2630 Taastrup
I havent't lost my mind -- I'm sure it is backed up somewhere.
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: <None>
From: fluffy@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:42:59 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University
Keywords: Comparing comsci
Summary: Looking for a new college

Help!

I'm sitting here at MSU (in Minnesota) content with the college I've chosen,
and all of sudden, my boyfriend (who is an extremely wonderful guy) decides
that he would like to transfer to a different state.  

We both would like to travel, he just wants to begin now.  He also has the itch
to get out from under his parents' realm and start fresh somewhere else.

My problem?  I can't find any information on what are the best schools in the
U.S. for an undergrad in computer science.  I've found a little stuff relating
to graduate work and individual descriptions on every school around, but
nothing comparing schools in that particular field.  Even our library doesn't
have any type of information like this.

If anyone could let me know where I might consider going, or how to obtain this
type of information, please let me know.

We're thinking about moving to Colorado, if that helps at all. Thanks!


Newsgroups: soc.college
From: mkahn@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Kahn)
Subject: Re: Illinois Inst. of Technology
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:19:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.051757.6471@news.acns.nwu.edu> mkahn@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Kahn) writes:
>
>Hi all. Can anyone out there in newsgroup-land tell me how to find an e-mail
>address for an undergraduate at the Illinois Institute of Technology? E-mail
>me or post back.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael Kahn
>mllk@nwu.edu
>
Make that mlk@nwu.edu -- sorry (new keyboard)

Xref: sparky soc.college:6070 rec.arts.sf.fandom:1448 alt.fandom.misc:89
From: faust@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Florida Atlantic Univ)
Newsgroups: soc.college,rec.arts.sf.fandom,alt.fandom.misc
Subject: SF clubs
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:02:20 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

I'm looking to get the adresses of SF, fanatasy, horror, comic books, or 
rpg clubs in the US. Could you send me the information about the clubs in 
you town/ college

Thanks

David Serchay
FAUST
Florida Atlantic University Science-fiction Troupe

                 Unicon -- March 1994 --- Wait for it
From: qliu@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: E.E. department email list
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:12:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark



      I once noticed that someone was building an email list of
      E.E departments. why does it stop now ?

      If you still hold it, would you please post me one ?
      My friend needs it eagerly.

      thanx in advance.


      from : qliu@draco.rutgers.edu
From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: CS
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:50:40 GMT
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130c4.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


	Does anyone have a list of the top CS undergraduate programs in the  
U.S.?

				Thanks,
				Tony Erwin

--
erwinaw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

GO HOOSIERS!
PEROT '96
"Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn once in awhile."
From: jrobert@lab7.smcm.edu (Jess Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: towson State email address
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:12:03 GMT

Does anyone have the email address to TSU?  Thanks in advance...
From: ryu@husc8.harvard.edu (William Ryu)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: host computers for dartmouth, babson, umass..
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:38:25 GMT

I need the name of some 'finger'able host computers at these schools:

Dartmouth
Babson
Umass (Amherst)
Bowdoin
American
U of Chicago

Thanks,

William Ryu
husc.harvard.edu
From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: host computers for dartmouth, babson, umass..
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:56:00 GMT

>Dartmouth

Do a "finger @dartmouth.edu"

>Umass (Amherst)

Try "finger .....@titan.ucc.umass.edu" or "...@deimos.ucc.umass.edu"
-Rick
From: eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M. Knell)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Drink ages?
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:11:15 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1993Jan21.160453.20162@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) writes:
>Is the drinking age around New Orleans really 18?  Also, what (if any) states
>have drinking ages under 21 these days?
>
>Thanks for the time,
>Eric
Weeelll.. I can tell you that the drinking age in the UK is 18 (though I could
get served anywhere from about 16 with only occasional hitches :-) ), and on
the Continent (that's Europe) the usual rule seems to be beer/wine/cider etc
age 16, spirits age 18. Which seems pretty sensible to me. It would be very
strange to go to the US and not get served in any pubs :-)

Does this mean that the campus bar is not such a social centre for students in
the US?

Cheers, Mike

+-- 'with the lights out, it's less dangerous...' --------------------------+
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 \  AMPRnet: mikee@g7gpa.ampr.org -=- Internet: eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk /
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   +--------------------------------- 'oh well, whatever, nevermind...'--+
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Student Government Salaries/Compensation
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:23:52 GMT

   Unfortunately, I have not received a copy of the survey done last year.  

   I did receive a few (like 3) responses to my call for information, so 
I will once again ask... If you know (or could easily find out) if your
student government officers receive any kind of compensation (Salary, free
room/board/tuition/parking, etc.) please let me know.

   I will try to post the results I have when our study is complete.

Thanks,
Greg

-- 
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