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From: martin@franck.cs.unc.edu (Kevin Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 0.97 patchlevel 5 available
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:22:18 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <15255@borg.cs.unc.edu> martin@franck.cs.unc.edu (Kevin Martin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.182131.2168@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) writes:
>
>>Patch 5 should also fix the problems with iopl() that resulted in the
>>X8514-server having problems with 0.97.pl2 and above.
>
>I've just tested the 8514/A X server with 0.97.pl5 and it works
>beautifully.  The problems with the X server appearing to hang when
>quitting from TWM with the 0.97.pl2 and more recent kernels are
>fixed.  Thanks Linux!

I meant: Thanks Linus!

>
>On a different note, I noticed that if you are going to remove the
>scsi stuff from your kernel, you need to add an #undef CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR
>to the bottom of the include/linux/config.h file.
>
>Thanks again Linux.

Ouch, 0 for 2.  My fingers are really getting ahead of my brain today.

Again, I meant: Thanks again Linus.

Sorry for the confusion...

Kevin "my fingers are totally out of control" Martin
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From: moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (gary a moyer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: getty_ps: hows about some binaries!?
Summary: please?
Keywords: getty,uugetty,getty_ps
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:37:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6099

Well, I am still completely unable to get the getty_ps package to
work correctly (either getty or uugetty just die, -D 0377 produces no
errors).  So heres the plea of a desperate man:
Could someone please, please, please! post the binaries (-static or
-dynamic with gcc2.2.2d) to one of the anonymous linux ftp sites?
I will be forever grateful!

Thanks.  Gary Moyer


==
  Gary Moyer
  moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Splitting comp.os.linux
Keywords: alt.os.linux
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:00:47 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

woody@cs.utexas.edu (James Woodgate) writes:
>I know that the FAQ and such says not to use to alt.os.linux,
>but I still get news from there, so if it is still active
>is there a reason why not to use it.  I've seen quite a few
>posts about splitting this newsgroup.  Maybe we could direct
>newbie questions to alt.os.linux.  This is not a very good
>long term solution, but it may be a good way to try out having
>more that one linux newsgroup, and it doesn't really require
>any extra work.

First we had a mailing list.  Then we got alt.os.linux, and finally
comp.os.linux.  We still seem to have all three of them.  Unfortunately,
the alt group is killed, as much as an alt group ever is killed, which
means that an attempt has been made to rmgroup it, but it still exists
on some sites (alt groups usually are like this), and has a small amount
of traffic.  But since only a rather small number of sites have
alt.os.linux anymore (not very many ever did have it), not very many
people read it anymore.  So it is not a good idea to use alt.os.linux.

I don't personally happen to think that comp.os.linux has too much
traffic (but then I use a threaded newsreader, trn, not rn or some BBS
read-messages-in-number-order software), and with the possible exception
of a comp.os.linux.announce (I'm still a bit uncertain about it), I
can't think of any good way to do a split.  In any case, my gut feeling
is that much of the traffic belongs to the category of not reading or
misunderstanding documentation (GCC installation seems to be a rather
popular thing to have trouble with), which of course may or may not be
due to the quality of documentation.

There is some work being done (or at least something was done a while
ago, I am uncertain of the current status) for a mailing list, to which
questions could be asked, and where some dedicated volunteers (who
hopefully know what they are talking about) answer questions.

But, and the main point of this article is this, if you are serious
about a split, please familiarize yourself with the newsgroup creation
guidelines and do a formal RFD.  (If you don't understand what this
means, you definitely need to read news.announce.newusers.)  Just
talking idly about it here doesn't do anything to further your goal.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: jepstei@afterlife.ncsc.mil (John Epstein)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Distribution sugestion for gcc.
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:53:03 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Sep05.170344.14838@donau.et.tudelft.nl> wolff@hal.et.tudelft.nl (Rogier Wolff) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I have been thinking about the method gcc is being distributed.
>(partly because I had problems myself, and I seem to be not the only
>one)
>
>Anyway, how about creating a tar file with EVERYTHING in it. This could
>be done in two ways: 
>1)   all the files that are in there now + an install script.
>2)   ALL that gcc needs. Even the links etc that the install script makes.
>
>Option one simply guarantees that you have all the files necessary.
>Option two even eliminates the install script. (Tar should be capable
>of tarring and restoring symlinks and hardlinks. right?)
>
>Now by this time everybody will be screaming that this will result in
>a very large file. This can be accomodated by providing two versions:
>one in a large file. The second split into chunks of about 1.2 megabytes.
>People can then split the large file into pieces if they want, or
>keep it in one chunk if possible. The smaller files can easily be transported
>on floppies.
>
>-- 
>Ok. Suggestions? pro's con's?
>
>					Roger.

I suggest splitting one huge tar file into 256,000 byte pieces ala
what ftp.uu.net does for large GNU programs like gcc itself!!!

I have suggested this in the past when I had a hard time downloading.
I now have direct Unix (tm) downloading capability but appreciate the
difficulties for non-Unix downloaders of files of 1.2 megabytes.

John (former multics user)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sg2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott R. Grabowski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help compiling .97 pl3
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:29:08 GMT
Organization: Junior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Greetings all, back to school (and FTP 8-)

Anyways, I have been having random problems compiling the kernel the
last couple of times that I have tried.  I am using GCC 2.2.2b (not d),
and started all this with .97pl0.  Anyways, I grabbed the kernel sources
(made the symln) and tried compiling.  Everything went fine until it
tried to compile tools/build.c.  I got problems like fcntl.h and
unistd.h not found.  So I created sym links for them too.  This had (I
thought) fixed my problem.  So now, I grab the .97pl3 kernel source, and
try compiling that.  Doesn't work.  build.c gives warnings about
implicit definitions of read, write, open, and close.  If I remove the
sym links, it gives the files not found message.  My question is, do I
have something nonstandard in my setup (I don't think so, but the sym
links for unistd and fcntl aren't mentioned in the kernel readme).

Also, I occassionally (sp?) get strange things when trying to compile. 
At random points, things like this happen:

chr_drv
chr_drv
chr_drv
.
.
.
etc....

So I break the compile.  If I do a 'pwd' I get logged out of the pty. 
If I log back in, and try a pwd again, I get logged out again.  I have
to reboot in order to restore things to normal.  (BTW, this happens with
a self-compiled .97pl1)

So, any clues?  If I get GCC 2.2.2d will my problems go away?  Any other
thoughts would be appreciated.

BTW, without me joining a mail channel, is there anyone who can point me
to the Beta site for XFree86 2.0 (you know, that has all those _REALLY_
cool features in it like ATI support, configurable drivers, etc...). 
Thanks.

Thanks in advance,

-Scott


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Linux and NetWare 3.11 (logins over NetWare...)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:24:05 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

I'm now getting my Novell network up and running, and, as my PC is also my
master workstation, I have this nice, shiny, new _fast_ 3Com 3C509-TP 
EtherLinkIII NIC (well, it's no EtherExpress32, but it ain't a serial port;-)
sitting there, waiting for a use under Linux. (I can hear it now, calling
"Puh-leeze, can I work under Linux? Uh-uh-uh-puh-lee-ee-ee-ze?" :-)

Anyhow, my question is this:
	1) Is there a driver in the works for this card? (It's supposedly
	   brand new, and quite a bit cheaper than the 3C503's) I'd be
	   glad to write one, if I had the _faintest_ idea how...
	2) Once said driver is written, would there be any way for my users
	   on the NetWare to connect to my Linux box over it, using, say
	   the Clarkson/NCSA Telnet utilities? (I know it can be done once
	   the TCP/IP support for Linux is fully in place; what I really
	   want to know is, can I have more than one user log in through
	   the single card? The book says it is "parallel tasking", but
	   I'm not sure what they mean by that.)
OK, so that was two questions.
I would be more than happy to help someone write the drivers for the 3C509 and
test them, as I'm going to have a bunch of 'em real soon now (I have a handful
at this time, to make certain they'll work in my network).

This looks like it's a fairly specialized interest, so replies by Email
would be better. If you're working on Linux drivers for the 3C509, let me
know, at any rate, so I can put it in the Project Registry.

				Thanks,
				   James

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From: jhelberg@nl.oracle.com (Joost Helberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Background processes not dying on parent exit
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:13:13 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond) writes:
: I'm not sure if this is a shell problem or OS problem.  I'll start with the
: OS....
: 
: I ran a process in the background from tcsh with the ampersand (&).  I would
: have expected that when I logged out of the shell that my background processes
: would have died as well, but they didn't.

All processes in the same pgrp with the controlling tty you switch off get
a SIGHUP. This means that backrground processes get killed unless:
  they ignore SIGHUP
  the tty is not their controlling tty anymore
: 
: Is the shell responsible for killing the background processes, or, since the
: shell is the parent of them and has been terminated, shouldn't the OS kill
: the processes automatically?

The tty-driver is responsible for doing this as it kwnos about controlling
tty's.

This scheme works for all tty-driver signals: SIGQUIT, SIGINT and SIGHUP.

Just write a program which catches SIGINT, start it in background and type
DEL (or ctr-C). It will get this signal.

The shell is aware of all this and ignores these signals for a process
started in background.

As far as I know, the SIGHUP however should not be ignored!


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: david@ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: linux 0.97 pl4 and ps/free/etc on sunsite
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:57:56 GMT

Charles Hedrick (hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: I'm suspicious of several things about ps and free.  First, I don't
: understand why ps is able to get the command lines.  I thought Linux
: said that it was no longer in kernel memory.  I haven't changed that

Ps has to go find and read the appropriate user memory, which may even
be swapped out, to get the command lines.  That's one reason why ps and
friends are almost certain to break whenever Linus changes anything in 
the mm or swap code.

David
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: Unable to mount msdos partition
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:30:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.021345.17741@athena.mit.edu> hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com writes:
>	mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt
>
>/dev/hda1 is my C: drive for DOS.  The message I get back from mount is:
>
>	magic match failed
>	/dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt busy

Your mount doesn't seem to pass the FS type option correctly. That
"<foo> already mounted or <bar> busy" message is a bit misleading - you
get it for almost any type of failure.

You should try using a newer mount. If all else fails, you might also
try smount (simplistic mount) from the dosfs package. It doesn't know
about fstabs and mtabs, but it's fairly generic.

- Werner
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From: bx516@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Victor Charles Zandy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: using serial (ps/2 comp) mouse on Gateway
Date: 8 Sep 1992 20:48:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am trying to run X on my Gateway 2000 386sx under linux.  
Everything seems to start up fine, but after two months of trying
I have not been able to get X to recognize my mouse.  It's a
microsoft mouse, and appears to be connected in a ps/2 style port.
Could anyone provide me with major/minor device numbers or any
other advice?
Thanks in advance.

Victor Zandy
vzandy@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
From: doug@owl.isis.org (Douglas W Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Editors and VT220 terminals...
Keywords: Help
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:49:50 GMT
Organization: Quoi! me organized?

Hi all,

Does anyone have an editor (vi like) that would work with a vt220 terminal 
off Linux?  I tried elvis, but it does not respect the up/down/left/right in 
fact just about any key than the 123 and abc.  The joe editor complains 
about not finding a keymap.

Help would be appreciated.

Doug! {doug@owl.isis.org}
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: clearing SUID bit on writes
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:16:50 GMT
Organization: UNIX Centre, ICL, Bracknell, UK

In article <pdhatchm.715665475@syzygy> pdhatchm@socs.uts.edu.au (Paul Hatchman) writes:
>SunOs and the other sys V unixes I 
>have used only clear the setuid / setgid bits when the file is written to by
>a user / group that does not *own* the file.

Stock System V prior to SVR4 never cleared the s[ug]id bits on write.  The
current SVR4 clears them unless the writer is the superuser (even if the
writer owns the file).

-Malcolm
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: Internal compiler error -  the prologue.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:41:30 GMT



If you look back I described how I got into trouble
compiling gdb.
Here is the prologue.
I installed the gcc again and it worked. (BTW I got ~4Mb
binary ?)
Like I said I had gcc 2.2.2d working excellently - I
compiled the kernel, lots of X apps, ghost* stuff. Everything OK 
till gdb compilation.
It broke my compiler completely, I couldn't even compile
hello.c!
I installed gcc again and it seems to work. (I also
upgraded to pl4 - but after succesfull gdb compilation). I have one
suspicion:
long ago, still in `dark' (ie my knowledge level) days I
installed cron and told it to rm -f in /tmp and /usr/tmp - without
questions asked! Now I know it is BAD but I forgot to
remove it (crond).
The /tmp removal was scheduled at 11pm - about the time I was
compiling that gdb thing. I know, compiler uses /tmp a
lot.  Now, any comments ? (besides on my stupidity).
BTW What is a good way to clean /tmp dir (ie preserving
crushed editors files, not deleting files being used etc)?
BTW2: I don't have MCC (some people told me internal
compiler error occurs there).
Thanx

				Rafal




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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Re: NFS
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:07:15 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Sep 92 21:05:31 GMT, gt5584e@prism.gatech.EDU (Edward
>>>>> Deering Boykin) said:

Edward> Is nfs available for linux? Is someone working on it. I
Edward> understand I need this for a proper peer-to-peer lan.

Not quite yet but I am working on it.  But to tell you the truth, two
Kermits and a serial cable count as a peer-to-peer lan.  :-)
--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: Two suggestions .. comments welcome, please!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:09:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: comp.os.linux

In article <1992Sep13.014759.258@sobeco.com> alawrenc@sobeco.com writes:
      [ text deleted ]
>What we need is a very simple image editor that will make the appropriate
>changes.  Amazingly enough, when I decide to try to install Linux about
>2 weeks ago, one of the first things I found in the installation files
>was a program called pboot which does exactly that.  Now the documentation
>is not very good (there  isn't any) and the warning about entering hex
>codes in the install notes is a bit confusing, but the program works as
>advertised very well.  You might consider writing some documentation for
>it ( about 500 would do it, anything more is overkill), or perhaps modifing
>modifying the source code so that the user replied to questions like
>"Which disk (a  or b)" and "Which partition (1-10)" etc.
>Andrew Lawrence, Informaticien Conseil           |  alawrenc@sobeco.com
>3605 St-Urbain, #1605                            |  uunet!sobeco!alawrenc

As the author of 'pboot', I have taken your comments to heart, and have
modified it with the intent of correcting the deficiences you note. I
have even added a documentation file, although the original intent was
(and still is) for the program binary to be self explanatory.  I didn't
use the interactive mode you suggested, but provided a table of "codes"
for the currently available partitions.  (Somebody should probably
check the accuracy of this table.)

I have uploaded the source, document, and executable (MSDOS) to
tsx-11.mit.edu incoming, so the improved version should be available soon.

Note:  The program is based on Linus' "edit" program in his early
       release notes; I just added a 'newbie' user interface. And
       now more user help.
-- 
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From: scottd@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Dunn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Best 'thing' to upgrade?
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:37:14 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

I have a 25MHz 386DX, 5 megs, 120MB HD, and am looking to upgrade my system.
The options are :
	33MHz 486DX motherboard
	more RAM
	bigger HD
	387
	or a combo of some of the above.

Budget of about 400 pounds, which will get me a cheap 486 motherboard.
1MB cost about 25 pounds, I can go up to 8MB (motherboard limitation) this way.
A 387 about 130 pounds
I think my HD is big enough for the moment.

So, I guess the question is, would I be better getting 8 megs and a 387, or sticking with 5 megs and getting a 486?

Cheers,

Scott.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K Johnson)
Subject: X8514
Reply-To: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K Johnson)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:59:02 GMT

X8514 has been moved.  Its new home is
tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/packages/X11/X8514/* and the filenames have
been changed to Xlinux8514.T.Z and x.8514.src.T.Z at the request of
the author.


Sorry for the inconvenience.

michaelkjohnson
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William A Jones)
Subject: Re: Problems with gettyps203 (uugetty) answering phone
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:36:23 GMT

Thanks to everyone who answered my original query.  For some reason, if
I append the flag -D 0377 at the end of the uugetty line in my inittab,
everything works as its supposed to.  If I remove the flag, nothing works
as its supposed to.

Therefore, I left the flag and added an entry to my cron to periodically
remove the debug file from /tmp.  If anyone can come up with an
explanation for this, I'd love to hear it.  But, until then, I have dial-in
access to my system.

Bill
From: bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Will ps0.97.2 work with 0.97.3 kernel -- mine won't!
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:49:40 GMT
Organization: Cambria Mail and News Gateway -- Columbus., OH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William A Jones) writes:
: I just upgraded to the 0.97.3 kernel.  I made my usual patches (setting
: /dev/ttys2 -- COM3 in the DOS world -- to IRQ 5 and setting the number
: of pseudo-ttys to 16) and had no problems compiling under GCC2.2.2d.
: I am noticing an improvement in overall speed over 0.97.1 which is
: what I used last.
: 
: But, when I recompiled ps0.97.2 and tried it, it failed with the error
: "/usr2/src/linux/tools/system: No such file or directory"

OK, OK.  I admit I only scanned the README.  When I went back the day after
posting this -- there is was in black and white (or actually in yellow and
blue) that pl3 broke ps, free, etc.  Sorry.

Bill
: 

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===============================================================================
Bill Jones
bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us
===============================================================================
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Gnu hardware
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:41:06 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

Someone mentioned designing a free video card (non proprietary), if its
going to be done there is no reason to make it VGA compatible. After all who
in there right mind wants to run MS-LOSS, or windows-New-Testement any ways
:-) 
Might as well go straight for true color since memory is so cheap these
days. A 1024X768 fully non proprietary 16 million color card for under
$200 would be nice.

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