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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:45:43 PDT
From:         LITERARY <LITERARY@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      Strange truths

Reply-to: Tim.Bowden@p0.f509.n216.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Bowden)
Fido-To: all

Are there standards of veracity in non-fiction, or is that actually
to be considered just a `general' category?  I know about how truth
fares in political memoirs and celebrity exposes, but is all
experience recounted as a traveler's tale?  Cases in point.

Elspeth Huxley's _Flame Trees of Thika_ is narrated by the most
perspicacious 9-year-old in creation, with recall and analysis far
surpassing what I could ever hope to achieve.

Mary Chestnut's Civil War Diaries required extensive work to
prepare for publication, whereas I thought all that would be
necessary in such cases was just to unlock the journal and present
it to the editor.

Sybill Bedford cautioned at the beginning of her excellent Mexican
journal she was presenting a `traveler's tale', with events altered
for narrative purposes.  I thought of how El Greco moved around
mighty buildings for his perspective of Toledo.

Whereas Jack Kerouac's novels are always on the fiction shelves,
even though they are mostly all recountings of actual history with
less of the common liberties taken than apparently is normal for
non-fiction.  Other roman a'clefs change only names to protect
those who would be innocent, or present a story no more biased by
the author's spin than are many autobiographies.

It's just something that occurs to me whenever I see some fractured
self-serving folly such as Nixon is constantly grinding out over in
non-fiction.


-Tim
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:50:09 EDT
From:         Ahmed Farah 4883555 ext 249 <AAIT01@SAKACS00.BITNET>

hey folks I got stuck and my missives never get across. Could anyone suggest
what is the matter or rather pinpoint the point the hurdles?
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:24:31 PDT
From:         LITERARY <LITERARY@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: Franz Kafka

Reply-to: Tim.Bowden@p0.f509.n216.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Bowden)
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> Do you think burueaucracy was already so spooky in Kafka's own
> office, and I mean or, did he see into the future?

Somebody with much more knowledge of the life of Kafka might
help us here, but I will say the workings of genius (or perhaps
pure luck) seem to be applicable to other climes and times.

> By the way, I've been meaning to ask what the nerdnosh list was.
> Since we are all reading this, maybe you could make a brief
> public statement?


Thank you, I would be honored.  The Nerdnosh list came out of
a desire to meet some of the really vivacious sorts I was
seeing represented in local area newsgroups.  It is entirely
frivolous and serves no purpose whatsoever, which was Wilde's
definition of true art, I believe.  There are now subscribers
all over the world, I think, and all dedicated to such agenda
items as where is the best place to meet over brunch in
Santa Cruz, CA, USA.

Love to have you join us.  Promise we won't keep you from more
pressing duties.  You need not be physically present to win.
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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Franz Kafka
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	It would be nice if a writer as good and important as Kafka could
become a permanent subject on the list, if we could comment on him now and
return, again and again.  I have read the three books mentioned by Melania,
as well as many of his letters, short stories, and diary entries.  He is one
of the three or four writers who have continued to interest me the most.
What interested me about Metamorphosis was the insane humor, combined with
a penetrating psychological insight into a very ingrown nuclear family.
But his gift is that one sentence follows another as though it could not
have been anything different, yet no one explanation ever can account for
the interest of his narrative.  Of Kafka it is true more than it is of most
writers, that there can be no one interpretation.  I have read Metamorphosis
between ten and twenty times.  I like the stories very much too, especially
"The Judgment," The Hunger Artist," and that most bizarre creation, "In the
Penal Colony."  About The Castle and The Trial, what can you say?  The world
you are plunged into is like no other, and the way that it feels to inhabit
that world is more important (I think) than the allegorical meaning that
can be discovered--and of course it can be discovered.  I'll never forget
K in The Trial going here and there, trying to find out something about his
case.  The physical space of the book is very unique (the movie by Orson
Welles was good but could not approach the weirdnesss of the experience of
reading).  And similarly in The Castle.  He is a magnificent and pure stylist
even in translation--I have heard that he wrote a German of amazing clarity
and style.  There is a "Letter to his Father" which was written as just that
and is now considered a literary work.  I would encourage anyone to read and
read him, check out some interpretations, then go back and read some more.
I was thinking of one story before I turned on the computer--maybe I had
seen a subject heading--but there is a very strange moment in Metamorphosis
when Gregor plants a kiss on the neck of his sister, and in my mind I was
telling my listener--hold up, that kiss was not an entirely healthy kiss.
That family is not a healthy family.  And there are all sorts of interesting
questions.  Is he a bug who deserves what he gets?  (The Hunger Artist can
be read as a kind of allegory of the writer, and is related, but I've gone
on long enough--but he considered "The Judgment" to be a breakthrough for
himself and it's very short, and all the stories are good.  I'm always
ready to talk about Kafka, so if you have more than you want to put on the
list, write me at    mbm@pacscl.uarc.upenn.edu
mike.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:17:44 PDT
From:         LITERARY <LITERARY@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      Hitler as a Brain-Dead Fish - a digression

Reply-to: Tim.Bowden@p0.f509.n216.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Bowden)
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> oh, come now; to reduce Hitler's career to a matter of the lead
> fish who happened to get the school moving in a certain direction
> is very poor history indeed, Fort Knox person.

This isn't a history list, nor did I intend a chronology;
rather an appraisal of the mental capacity of Herr Hitler,
which I hold more nearly approximates that of the fishy fuehrer
in question than any definition of `brilliant' I'm aware of.
What is it the little creep has accomplished that so impresses
you?  As this is the Lit list, I suppose it must be his
autobiography...

You might better have used Pound; he's the standard for such
statements...
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:33:18 EDT
From:         Tom Frenkel <FRENKEL@CPMAIL-AM.CIS.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (sounds like a Richard Brautigan title)
Comments: To: LITERARY@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

Funny you should mention Brautigan -- I wanted to bring him up.
Couple years ago I read his _The Abortion, An Historical Romance_
(not sure of second part of title), and found it captivating.  Except
(and this is a big except) for the latter part of the book, where the
whole abortion process is gone through in great detail, with tacit
approval and with no feeling of ambivalence.  Perhaps in the 60's (I
think the book was written then), abortion was easier to feel so
positive about; but to my late-80's or 90's eyes, there were just too
many conflicting feelings about abortion in myself for me to feel
comfortable with the book's second half.

What else of Brautigan would anyone recommend in particular?

                                        --Tom
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:40:51 SLT
From:         F10L005@SAKSU00.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Other lists

Patty,

Here are other lists on BITNET that you might find usefull:

Windows:         WIN3-L@UICVM
Microcomputers:  IBMPC-L@UIUCVMD or I-IBMPC@UIUCVMD (not sure which one)

I hope you find these helpfull.
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From:         Keith Bartels <IANR007@UNLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How to get graphics from Corel Draw into WP nicely

Remember this (using and eps file) will work only when printing to a
postscript printer.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:31:00 EDT
From:         Craig Bull <BULL@DAYTON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Other lists

There is also a PageMaker list.  However, I don't remember the
address for it!  :(

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Craig Bull
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University of Dayton
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From:         "Ms. Lucia Asturias - Getting fitter?" <LUCIA@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Other Lists
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Hello Patty,

There's a Pagemaker (Pagemakr) list and the server node for subscription is

    Listserv@indycms

My personal opinion is that it is not as active/friendly as this one or the
WPCORP-L on WP products, But it still provides useful information.  Hope it
helps.
Cheers!

Ms. Lucia Asturias
WP Support/Office Information Service Unit/GUS
Computer Laboratory
The University of Liverpool
England, UK
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:32:01 CDT
From:         "Patty" <CS003@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Other Lists

I really have appreciated the feedback from other colleagues who are using WP
for Windows and it got me to wondering if similiar lists were out there for
some of the other software products that I use. I have listed some of the
programs I provide training and support on below. If anyone knows of any lists
like this one for these programs, I would really appreciate the information.

Excel, dBase, PageMaker, Windows, Harvard Graphics, Lotus, DOS, Toolbook,
Microcomputers

Thanks in advance.

Patty Crowell                 BITNET: cs003@ukanvm
University of Kansas        INTERNET: cs003@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
School of Medicine - Wichita    PHONE: 316-261-2605
Teaching-->the art of imparting knowledge without possessing it
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Subject:      Re: Other Lists

Patty and Others,

Toolbook has a discussion group.  Send:

        subscribe toolb-l

to:

        listserv@uafsysb.bitnet



Fritz Dolak
Ball State University
From: jo.mueller@.kfa-juelich.de (Joerg_Mueller)
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Subject: WPwin Quick Installation Guide (novell 3.11)
Keywords: installation, network, novell 3.11
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:49:00 GMT
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany


 Hi .....


 has anybody a quick installtion guide, which describes the
 installation of WP-Win 5.1 (Windows 3.1, Novell 3.11) ?
 Which files can be shared, which are user-dependend, where
 should I store these files ...(windows and wp-files) ???

 ... thanks
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From:         "Ms. Lucia Asturias - Getting fitter?" <LUCIA@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: subscribe
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Charles,

Rich Wales is right about the subscription address, just follow his
instructions and you'll be on the list in no time...and don't worry
for having asked, we have all learned about how to subscribe to lists
by asking, one way or another....Let's just say,
you haven't been the first and sure you won't be the last!

Welcome,

Ms. Lucia Asturias

WP Support/Office Information Service Unit/GUS
Computer Laboratory
The University of Liverpool
England, UK
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From:         Y3111DAA@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT
Subject:      Study Programs
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Dear fellow subscribers:

I need to find some material on undergraduate and graduate
programs in biology, with emphasis on ecological / environmental
curricula.  Can anyone recommend some?  E-mail or conventional
addresses appreciated.

Thanks for your help.  Hope everyone is enjoying their summer.

Sincerely,

Doug Kahn
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 10:06:55 EDT
From:         209196@UMDC.BITNET
Subject:      Need Textbook
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Regarding animal communication texts:

For your information, Jack Bradbury and Sandy Vehrencamp at the University of C
alifornia, San Diego are completing a text on Animal Communication.  You might
want to see if they have any chapters available yet.  A more specialized text t
hat focusses on mechanisms is Ewing, A.W. 1989  Arthropod Bioacoustics.  Cornel
l University Press.  Although he uses arthropod examples, several chapters are
useful for understanding auditory communication by any animal.

I would not be deterred by the copyright laws.  Most of the publishers I have c
ontacted readily consent to let Kinko's reproduce articles for classroom distri
bution.

Jerry Wilkinson
University of Maryland
209196@umdd.umd.edu
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Watchman Nee - To Kerry
              27 Jul 1992 11:25:03 -0400 from <tjbenner@COLBY.EDU>

Toni:

I'd love to hear more about Watchman Nee. Thanks.
                                                 Love INC,
                                                     --Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:27:40 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 7/21
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

The Word of God spoken by Christ in the Gospels:

"The things I teach are not my own.  My teaching comes from him who sent me"
(John 7:16).

"I say only what the Father has taught me" (John 8:28).

"The things I taught were not from myself.  The Father who sent me told me what
to say and what to teach ... whatever I say is what the Father told me to say"
(John 12:49,50).

"This teaching that you hear is not really mine.  It is from my Father, who
sent me" (John 14:24).

The Word of God spoken by Apostles in the Epistles:

"We always thank God because of the way you accepted his message.  You heard
his message from us, and you accepted it as the word of God, not the words of
men.  And it really is God's message.  And that message works in you who
believe" (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

"The word of the Lord will live forever.  And this is the word that was
preached to you" (1 Peter 1:25).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Subject: Re: Clinton's acceptance speech and Scriptural allusions
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:29:52 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <CHRISTIA%92071808161299@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:
> Is everybody packed?

But ... Where are we supposed to *go*?

I don't know of too many Christian nations in today's world...
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
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                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:45:55 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 7/28
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"Soon after the trouble of those days, this will happen: 'The sun will grow
dark.  And the moon will not give its light.  The stars will fall from the sky.
 And everything in the sky will be changed.'  At that time, there will be
something in the sky that shows the Son of Man is coming.  All the people of
the world [ or land ] will cry.  They will see the Son of Man coming on clouds
in the sky.  He will come with great power and glory" (Matthew 24:29-31).

"I will give David's family and people in Jerusalem a spirit of kindness and
mercy.  They will look at me, the one they have stabbed.  And they will cry
like someone crying over the death of an only child ... At that time there will
be much crying in Jerusalem ... The land will cry.  Each family will cry alone.
 The family of David and their wives will cry.  The family of Nathan and their
wives will cry.  The family of Levi and their wives will cry.  The family of
Shimei and their wives will cry.  And all the rest of the families and their
wives will cry" (Zechariah 12:10-14).

"Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds!  Everyone will see him, even those who
stabbed him.  And all peoples of the earth [ or land ] will cry loudly because
of him.  Yes, this will happen!  Amen" (Revelation 1:7).

Note: the "[ or land ]" in the above quotations are my suggestions and do not
appear in the ICB.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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From: ppinta@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca (Pasi Pinta)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Subject: Looking for a Book
Keywords: Theomatics
Date: 21 Jul 1992 15:15:59 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University


	This book is out of print.  Does anyone out there know where to
possibly order one?  Thanks very much.

Pasi


Please respond directly to

ppinta@cs-acad-lan.lakeheadu.ca

Pasi Pinta
Faculty Computer Advisor
Lakehead University
Thunder Bay, Ontario
CANADA
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:19:24 -0400
From:         "Toni J. Benner" <tjbenner@COLBY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Divorce and Remarriage
X-To:         CHRISTIA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU

Jeff, I would say that if you were unsaved when you were divorced, that
it is allright to remarry. The problem lies when a Christian knowingly
divorces and remarrys. My ex-pastor also used to council women who were
being beaten by their husbands that it was all right to divorce. I don't
know how scriptural this is, but I can't believe that God would want us
to be physically abused either. I also believe that if you are left, or
if your ex-wife does not want to be reconciled with you, that it's
all right to remarry. This is a tough issue. I don't want to step on
any toes, but my daughter has a friend who obtained an annulment in
the Catholic Church, but she had to pay big bucks to do it. She then
wanted to remarry, and was told that she had to pay again. This doesn't
seem quite right to me. It almost seems like blackmail. Sorry, Marty.
Toni
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:46:41 CDT
From:         CCCHRIS@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      A woman's place

My sister once showed me a poem, and I was hoping someone on Christia might
have it.  It goes something like... Woman was created from the rib of man.
Not from his head, that he might top her...(etc).  If anyone knows it, the
list might benefit from seeing it.  It sure moved me!  It fits in beautifully
with the leadership thread, and I don't think it can offend anyone.

Anyone???

Thanks, all,
Chris Reed