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From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:10:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct14.021019.10565

> Rotts need a fair amount of excercise (but not like a herding dog,
> for instance).  10 minutes of *hard* excercise twice a day should be
> fine, or a half-hour jog.  This is just my experience w/ my dog.
> 
> Rotts are prone to hip dysplasia.  To reduce the risk of getting a
> dysplastic dog, buy from a very good breeder.  If someone is selling
> Rotts and doesn't have original OFA hip certification documents for
> both parents, DO NOT deal with them at all.
> 
> In general Rotts have been poorly bred for a decade or so.  Their
> increase in popularity caused many ignorant people to breed for a fast
> buck.  If you do not find a breeder who is ethical you may get an
> unhealthy, stupid and/or mean dog.
> 
> Rotts are stubborn and can be hard to train.  Not as hard as an Akita,
> Husky or Shar-pei, in general, but hard.  If you do not show
> leadership to the dog, he or she will show leadership to you in the
> form of agression.
> 
> Good breeder indications for Rotts: Always has OFA certifcation on
> parents.  Belongs to a Breed club (contact the clubs through their ads
> in Dog World).  Will not publish a dog's price in the paper.  Shows
> their dogs in Conformation, Obedience, Schutzhund or all three.
> Breeds dogs who have titles in at least one of those areas (both
> parents and probably all 4 grandparents should have theses titles.
> Just having 3 or 4 great grandparents with titles is not impressive AT
> ALL).  Charges about $1200-1500 for show quality and $500-800 for pet
> quality.  Seems to care about their dogs and where they are placed,
> rather than getting the money and being done with it.  Generally these
> breeders loose money and have been in the business for years.  Look
> for them primarily in Dog World.  Of the three types of competition
> above, Conformation is the least useful, because it says little about
> the dog's character and hips -- just its looks.  Often you cannot get
> good breeders to stop talking about their dogs.
> 
> Rotts are, however, good apartment dogs.  They don't bark for fun, they
> don't run around constantly, they don't shed too much, they don't
> smell too doggy.


 Really?.  I did not expect someone to say they were very good apartment dogs,
as big as they are!  That I am glad to hear!  I think I may gat one next year.
    When you say $500-$800 for pet quality...are talking from the east or west
coast?  That seems a little pricey for ANY dog I've seen for sale.  (Not that
I clainm to be any sor tof expert, but I have shopped around.)  Maybe the price
would be proportionately lower here in the midwest?

		Hopefully so,
		    	Matt McCabe


P.S.  If I've got no actual experiecne training a dog, do you all think dog
college (or whatever) would be recommended?  Or will a trip to the library
suffice?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcdonald@snow-white.ee.udel.edu (Thomas McDonald)
Subject: want a puppy?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:21:10 GMT

I am giving away a 3 month old puppy that has had all of its shots 
including 2 vet visits.  Her name is "Penny" and we are forced to
give her away because I have found that I am allergic to dogs.  She
is trained to use paper in the house for house-training purposes.
She is part cocer-spaniel and we got her at the SPCA.  My wife and
I live in Newark, DE, so if you live close by, and are interested, please
call 302-455-0768 and leave a message.  We will get back to you.  

Thanks,
Tom McDonald
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Was this a voilation?
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:16:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


Howdy folks,

I've just gotten home from the Chicago International Dog show at
McCormick Place and I have this burning question for all you show-goers
out there.  

Is it a violation of show regulations to exhibit a large poster of
your dogs just (and I mean JUST) outside the ring for spectators to
look at?  The poster was turned so that the judge in the ring could not
see the poster, but it was in planview of everyone else.  It was 
a total advertisement for a kennel with full color pictures and
a big emphasis on QUALITY PUPPIES AVAILABLE.  

Now, I've been to a lot of dog show in my life and I've never
seen this before.  I'm REALLY mad at the breeder for using shows
in this manner to sell puppies and I really would like to
know if that breeder was allowed to do this.  I will be
writing a formal complaint to the AKC if it is a violation.
(and that breeder's breed club).   ---^
So does anyone out there know if it is???

-------------------------
Marla Belzowski     saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  -- tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  5 mo. sable and white collie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:33:55 GMT

In article <1ava6jINNo0t@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:
>In <ROWATS.92Oct7112057@rowats.Software.Mitel.COM> rowats@Software.Mitel.COM (Stephen Rowat) writes:
>
>>In article <26048@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes...
>For example, my parents had an apricot miniature poodle that was a      
>little (well, I guess a lot) overweight.  I can't count the number of times
>that people mistook Puffin for a curly cocker spaniel, a lab puppy (!)
>or an oversized pomeranian.  

Famous last words: "I'm not getting into that thread...."

Couldn't help it.  I can't tell you how many times I've heard, look
at that really excited poodle!  Beamer is a black cocker spaniel
with a traditional cocker spaniel cut (unless it takes me too long
to get him another appointment at the groomers).  I've seen black
poodles before and I don't see the resemblence.  Many people have
said, "It looks like a cocker but he's black."  I've seen so many
cocker's in my life, and they seem like a popular pet dog but most
are buff, blonde or whatever you want to call it.  I really like the
black ones but appearantly, the people around here have seen few.  

>The brighest day in America will be when education has enough funding and
>the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
>teacher (from the Wireless catalog) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu, bets@ksuvm.ksu.edu

I left this ^^^ in because it bears repeating.

			--Michael Buening
			internet:mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu
From: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM (Tony Ooka, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Need info on dog shows/expos in SF Bay Area
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:18:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com

Hi everyone,

I recently put out a request on how to find a dog.
Thanks for all the good responses.

If someone could also provide some info as to when
and where a dog owner's show or meeting is to be 
held in the Bay Area, I'd be happy to get the info.

I'd like to meet some owners, breeders and dogs to
get some enlightenment.

Thanks,

-Tony
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Is that a ________?
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

Following up on the interesting stories, we had rescued a severely
mistreated basset bitch from the pound.  She had been kept outside
her entire life and bred like mad.  She was turned into the pound,
vastly underweight and mostly hairless from chewing at hundreds of
fleas.

We got her cleaned up and put on some weight, but the chewing did
not stop (no fleas).  We put one of those nylon cone Elizabethan
collars on her, which she wore for about two months, going through
the dog door with it, climbing stairs, etc...

Nonetheless, we took her to one of those outdoor shot roundups with
our other bassets one Saturday.  While standing in line, a little
boy came up and asked politely, "Is she hard of hearing?"

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)
 * JABBER v1.3B1 #B042 * Basset Hounds make better friends than most people.
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Cruelty to animals in VA?   Long, but important.
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:54:00 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame


And all this week I just had the flu.  I had forgotten how sickening
mankind can be.  I have hunted in my life.  Not a sport I would
pursue, nor advocate, nor condemn.  I have never used a dog to hunt
and I'm not sure how that would feel.  The sight of a well trained
hunting dog is a beautiful one though.  But how this is turned into
bear chasing is beyond me.  What is the good, the use, the fun?
Of course you'll never convince me that people should tree a bear
with a pack of dogs just like you'll never convince me that two
strong and large men should beat each other in a ring.  So I 
wouldn't try to talk me into it.  If you do it, and like it, then
by all means try to talk other people into it.  If this makes no
sense then forgive me and blame the flu (I know I am).

			--Michael Buening
			internet:mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcfadden@nimue.a5-nimue (Russell McFadden)
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Reply-To: mcfadden@nimue.a5-nimue
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:49:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: nimue.lanl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I have to admit I've been out a few days and missed what started this
thread, but jus had to add to it. As some of you may remember from
my previous postings to this group I raise whippets. So as one might
assume they do frequently get mistaken for "baby" greyhounds or "big"
Italian Greyhounds, however, I have upon occasion had a couple of
them - both solid red fawn, I will admit - mistaken for baby Great
Danes. Someone asked me one time if they were Weimaraners and another
asked if they were Vizslas. Oh, well...

No one ever seems to mistake the Afghan Hound for anything else. They
either know what she is or they haven't a clue.

What has really been fun in the last few months has been the Ibizan
Hound! I have to tell you how totally shocked I was when walking her
around Santa Fe one day and a young lady came over and said, "Oh,
look at this beautiful Ibizan baby." It turned out she had Pharaoh
Hounds.

Russell McFadden

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: dogs n' cats
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:12:57 GMT

Back to the three cats and two Newfs..

Helen, the grey cat is weird - she likes to be petted
while she is eating.  This is ONE time Arnie, the Newf,
can get a good sniff of her and she doesn't mind.

The other night I'm patting Helen while she eats (like
I have nothing else better to do), and Arnie, being a
dog, decides to snif her hind quarters. 

Well, there is poor Helen standing on her head - head
in food dish, front legs on either side of dish, back
end on top of a Newf head, Newf tail wagging furiously!

Ya know what?  She didn't stop eating!!


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  9 OCT 92 13:05:27    

In article <1992Oct9.170853.11345@morrow.stanford.edu>, liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes...

>In article <1687A7FBE.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
> 
>>The difference between barking and biting is, IMHO, an arbitrary
>>one that humans thought up.  The dog couldn't care less (unless,
>>of course, we imposed a difference on the dog, but that still isn't
>>what the dog would have done).  In other words, I think it's silly
>>to have the expectation that a certain breed of dog (Labs in this
>>case) to inherantly know the difference between barking and biting.
>
>	I disagree wholeheartedly.  I don't think it is a silly
>distinction.  I think it goes against the temperament of a real lab to bite
>people. (period).

I agree that the distinction is not silly but, further, I don't 
believe that it's an artificial, human-imposed distinction.  When 
you're playing with a puppy you'll see them nip at you purposely not 
doing too much damage.  They may get carried away and break the 
skin but they make no attempt to bite down and really plant their 
teeth.  They know at birth that biting hurts.

This is not limited to dogs.  My wife's cat has swiped at me with his 
claws several times.  He could have scratched me very deeply - but 
chose not to.  He knows just how hard to scratch so as to leave lines 
on my skin without drawing any blood.

JGH
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:05:13 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Oct2.113416.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> <Bvs2KL.DFM@news.udel.edu>
<1992Oct8.072501.16691@lth.se>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct8.072501.16691@lth.se> dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
writes:
>Couldn't the breeder require a deposit that is returned to the buyer
>either when the dog is returned or when it dies a "natural" death?
>
>A variation is to return the deposit after five years (or if the dog
>has been returned before that).  The idea is that people who have 
>kept a dog for five years will probably keep it for the rest of its
>life.

Dag's idea of a refundable "security deposit" is an interesting one.
Personally, I try to discourage a "trial dog" approach to puppy purchase.
I want my puppy buyers to believe that buying a puppy from me is a
lifetime commitment, just like adopting a child. However, I am a realist, and
want to provide an accepting environment for the buyer to return the dog to
me for re-homing if keeping the dog becomes impossible. Here is a paragraph
from my standard sales contract:

                     BUYER Commitments
"BUYER agrees to return this Newfoundland to BREEDER if, for any reason, BUYER
cannot keep it. BUYER fuurther agrees to provide this Newfoundland's AKC
registration certificate, transferred to BREEDER, when this Newfoundland is
returned to BREEDER for placement. BREEDER agrees to place this Newfoundland
in a new home and give BUYER any payment received for the resale of this
Newfoundland, less the cost of any veterinarian and boarding expenses should
this Newfoundland be with BREEDER for a period longer than 2 weeks. BREEDER
will furnish receipts of placement period expenses to BUYER."

Of course, other parts of the contract deal with additional responsibilities
of the buyer, plus my obligations as breeder. 

One additonal incentive to encourage the BUYER to adhere to the terms of my
contract: the last sentence of the contract reads as follows
"In the case of a breach of any of the terms of this contract by BUYER, BUYER
shall pay to BREEDER the amount of $1,000."

So far, no one has refused to sign this contract...and I've even sold to
lawyers!
**************************************************
Marget JOhnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands

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From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:32:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: penn.9F49RB2w164w

krvw@sei.cmu.edu (Kenneth van Wyk) writes:

what I get reaaaaaaaaal sick of (to the point that MOST of my friends know
the "speech") is
"KEEP YOUR PIT BULL AWAY FROM ME" (or "oh, that is a pit bull" etc...)

nope! it is a Chinese Shar-Pei (she is black, with a bone mouth (as opposed
to a more common meat mouth)
what reaaaaally urks me is these same dinks can't even TELL me what a pit
bull looks like....(oh, and I always mention that Spuds McKenzie and the Little
Rascals dog was one...(sigh))

my shar-pei even wears a pink bow-tie to ease the folks (she is also INFAMOUS
in the neighborhood as "that goofy finger sucking dog"- she is an extreme
extorvert (towards people, dogs=bleh...))
growf.
Penn and the wrinklemutt Taissu
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:34:10 GMT

Neutering will definitely reduce aggression.  He will still be an Alpha in
personality, but it will be toned down.  I highly recommend a book by
Job Michael Evans called "People, Pooches, and Problems"  It has a whole
chapter on dealing with aggressive dogs.

Good luck

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From: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: steriods for allergic golden
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Organization: Image Processing Algorithms Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.


hi all,

my 3 year old golden, indiana, was put on pregnesone (sp?)
yesterday for an allergy attack.  she will be on it for 10
days.  the vet says she will have to go out more often-
my question is, how often?  i was planning to go home for
lunch and let her out.  is four hours too long for a dog
to wait when she is on this medication?  

i would appreciate hearing from anyone whose dog has been on 
this drug.  please email me, i don't think i will have time
to read this newsgroup again this week.  :(

thanks!
laurie   (garrison@kodak.com)



--------
The more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I'd figured out, 	
I have to learn again...
				- Don Henley
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Subject: Re: sheltland sheepdogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:42:09 GMT

Please post this: I'd like it too!
-- 
!!! Mike Schneider *** schneid@jerry.stat.uiuc.edu !!!
!!!     Assistant Manager of Systems Services      !!!
!!!            Department of Statistics            !!!
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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:34:18 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Jack Dean writes:
> One of the unique things about Pacer is that the original adopters did
> not want to neuter him, so he has had a vasectomy instead of the
> normal castration.  So my question to the net is how much will
> castration reduce his dominant/aggressive tendencies, especially
> towards other dogs?
>
> So what would you do?  Leave it alone and let the hounds work out
> their own pack order, or forestall a potential problem and fight and
> neuter the dog?  Would you neuter him right away, or wait and see who
> is going to adopt him and offer to neuter him for the new adopters if
> they want?  Discussion invited.


Well, I did a lot of research into this before I recently neutered my dobie
and in MOST cases, it seems to have a great deal of an effect on sexually
linked inter-dog behaviours. My dog was not dominant agressive exactly...he
didn't FIGHT, but he was extremely over-sexual with other dogs, there may
have been some dominance agression involved in instigating the mounting
behaviour, hard to say. Neutering has cured this and he now plays normally
with any other normal dog, it's WONDERFUL.

I would say it's definitely worth a try, it certainly can't hurt. In my
dobie, there were no other signifigant personality changes: he is still just
as protective, active, etc. Maybe a bit more affectionate and lifts his leg a
bit less, but that's it.

I would do it before you adopt him out if you can. Although the effects on my
dog were quite immediate, I have been told that it can take up to 3 months
for the personality changes to become really obvious. This supposedly has to
do with hormones that are still circulating in the bloodstream and gradually
get filtered out. I suspect it also has to do with the time it takes in some
cases to train away the bad habits which still remain after the hormonal
influence is gone. You may be more qualified to do this retraining than the
new owner, and you'll also have a chance to re-assess his personality so you
can be sure you really should be placing him.

Good luck, I hope it works out!

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:03:56 GMT


Along the lines of getting breeds mixed up (I don't mind, really, 
in fact, I usually get a kick out of it and then inform the folks
what it REALLY is), which is a great ice breaker, I thought I'd amuse
you all with a story about Siegfried's second trip to the vet...

Well, Saturday morning it was time for that second shot and little
(well, not so little, at 15 lbs and 9 weeks) Siegfried had to go to 
the vet's. We took Baeki along as well because we KNOW how much
she likes rides and going to the vet (this was a wise choice because
then Siegfried was calmer than he has been alone). So, we're sitting
on one of the benches, Peter's holding Baeki's lead as she jumps
and wiggles at anyone walking in the door or around the room, and
I've got Siegfried's . He's sitting quietly between my feet watching
all the folks and animals walking in and out and around. A little boy
(oh maybe 4 or 5) looks at Siegfried and says "Mommy, LOOK, they
have a FOX!!!" And Mommy turns her attention away  from the three
kitties that just got spayed and says "No, honey, that's not a fox. But
he's got upright ears like one, doesn't he?" Jr. replies "But Mommy, 
he HAS to be a FOX, he looks like a FOX!" as they walk out the door.
I got a chuckle out of it and so did everyone else in the office. I'll
give the kid credit! He *DOES* look like a fox. With those big pointy
ears, his size and that silvery sheen on his black coat. Of course, if 
you look  at his tail, it's a giveaway! :) I'd made the same observation
the night before as we were going potty.

He's also been taken for a bear, miniature pig, and then the neighbor
girl thought he was full grown and "too small to be a German Shepard"
:) Baeki, the Cocker, has been confused for a Poodle, schnauzer, black
Lab puppy (with no tail?!) and everyone still thinks she's a puppy at
2.5 years old 'cause she is so friendly and bouncy and we keep her
hair short...:)

I always enjoy letting people guess if they don't know. It amuses me
and it breaks the ice. I just don't take offense at it, but kind of giggle 
to myelf if it is obvious that the person is easily embarressed. usually
I respond with a BIG grin and say  No, she's a Cocker Spaniel or No,
he's a German Shepard puppy, yes, they come in all black! 

Kay Schlumpf & Crew  
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA