HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Larry Margolis contacts my sysadmin
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.040041.21953@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:

}                                 Nothing about calling your church
}elders and telling the Synod about your misbehavior.  

I really am reluctant to point this out, but I think you've made a 
grave error.  Our Holy Father is Roman Catholic, and I don't think
they have either elders or Synods.  I guess your SAT scores weren't
high enough...

--
       hang gliding mailing list: hang-gliding-request@virginia.edu 
     Galen Hekhuis  UVa Health Sci Ctr (804)982-1646 gjh@virginia.edu
                   We are the Cro-Magnon of the future!
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: gorney@picard.med.ge.com (Felix Gorney Mfg 4-6983)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh makes my life awful! 
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 12:08:18 GMT

: |>    I have a gf with fundamentalist parents who treat Rush Limbaugh as though
: |>  he has the answers to life's problems. Well, I am here to say that because
: |>  of this, I will have to fight in order to marry her. Has it come to the point
: |>  in this country where conservative ideas like the ones he presents are so
:                           --------------------------------------------
: |>  much a part of the United States now, that two people in love can't even
: |>  marry for fear of outright attack like this? 

Don't blame your personal problems on Rush. Thats typical of liberals to find
external excuses for their own problems. Society made me what I am, her parents  
won't let us get married... ad nausiam. I know plenty of conservatives, who have
had interreligeous marriages. My wife came from a Protestant background. On her
fathers side, her grandparents are both retired Protestant ministers. Hard to 
beleive that she married me, a Catholic. There is also an interracial marriage
in the family. None of these situations have caused any problem. Now if 2 people
really love eachother, and their parents don't like it, then too bad. I'm sure
you could find someone to marry you, should you decide to run off on your own. 
Of course, this may be hard for a liberal to do, sinse it means taking charge 
of your own life, instead of finding someone else to blame for your problems. 

Rush Landers 

errrr, I mean Felix Gorney

 
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: Negotiations over Robbinsdale Clinic protests break down
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:31:16 GMT

Oops!  I forgot to mention that the reason for the polygraph tests was to
assure that representatives of Pro-Life Action Ministries and others were
not involved in the attempted fire bombing of the Robbinsdale Clinic.

Sorry for any confusion...

-- 
Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  / standard disclaimers
 "One of the HORRIBLE things of trying to defend a FREE REPUBLIC is
 that I get to support your RIGHT to say STOOPID THINGS." -- drieux
From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Quote from ME
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:14:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1eglbhINNgaq@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.184434.1068@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
>>  What massive egotistical brainwave led you to assume that a
>>non-sentient human fetus is more important than a suffering animal?

>Probably a similar one to that which led you to assume that a human foetus is
>non-sentient.

>>                                                             MP

   Oh. So it was in an embryology text?

BTW, the use of "non-sentient human fetus," unless tautological, would
seem to indicate an existence of a possible "sentient human fetus." In
which case, your above statement denies the possible existence of any
non-sentient human fetus. Is this what you really meant to do?  Why?

>-- 
>Frank.ODwyer@ap.mchp.sni.de   "You take slaves when you make us free,
>                               when you make us free your way"
>                             World Party - 'Ain't going to come til I'm ready'


                                                                   MP
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Consensus stuff - the real reasoning
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:25:28 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.15 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <cmy1tkq@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>->keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>->>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>->>->keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>->>->>margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>->>->>->Funny - she doesn't *look* shrewish...  :-)
>->>->>her .gif had me fooled too, for a while.
>->>->Larry has seen CJ in person
>->>then he doesn't have an excuse, does he?
>
>->Don't need one, neither.
>
>that's right you don't. btw, peeper rescorla is
>unusally interested in this matter,

Well, he *was* an eye-witness.

>->And if I did - I saw drieux in person at the same time.  That should
>->excuse a lot.  :-)
>
>seeing drieux is an experience, i'll admit. did he let
>you use his bathroom?

He didn't offer, and I didn't ask.  Perhaps the fact that we weren't at
Castle Wetware has something to do with that...

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Xref: sparky talk.abortion:48056 news.admin.misc:339
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: can someone help Doug Holtsinger's site
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:31:37 GMT
Organization: Who, me???

In article <1992Nov15.174828.16814@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>
>I'm not the only person who is having problems with
>doug holtsinger's site....
>
>But Maybe Small Sites like UB.com and Lawrence Livermore Lab
>don't really understand the internet?????
>
>ciao
>drieux
>
>ps: interesting how these things sorta 'fall apart.'
>
> [UUCP failure message -- link from "lll-winken" to "ncsuvx" apparently 
>  non-functional]
>

Sigh. Drieux, will you give this a rest? The machine you were trying to reach,
csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu, 

	a) exists

	b) has a fine healthy daemon running on its SMTP port

	c) knows about a local user with login "dsholtsi"

	d) describes the user as "Doug Holtsinger"

(See attached typescript)

So, all we're talking about is a routing problem, which is not surprising,
given that we ALREADY KNOW that the UUCP maps for the NCSU machines are
seriously out-of-date.

If you have a burning desire to truly test whether you can get mail to 
dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu, then you need to bypass the pathalias routing
at least in part. Why don't you try something like

	dsholtsi%csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu@lll-winken.llnl.gov

?? Hopefully, that'll get the message, via pathalias routing, as far as
lll-winken, at which point lll-winken should open up a direct SMTP 
connection to csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu, and the message will be directly 
delivered over there. If lll-winken isn't smart enough to do that, then
substitute in that position another Internet host that IS smart enough.
Repeat substitutions as necessary.

IN ANY CASE, PLEASE QUIT YOUR WHINING!! THERE IS NO NCSU EMAIL CONSPIRACY!!

For best long-term results, contact the NCSU postmaster, or the NC UUCP Map
Coordinator, and try to get the map entries out there updated, so pathalias
routing will work again.

								- Kevin

---

Script started on Sun Nov 15 19:58:29 1992
rotag# /usr/etc/nslookup
Default Server:  dns.itd.umich.edu
Address:  35.1.1.91

> set type=mx
> csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
Server:  dns.itd.umich.edu
Address:  35.1.1.91

*** No mail exchanger information is available for csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
> set type=a
> csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
Server:  dns.itd.umich.edu
Address:  35.1.1.91

Name:    csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
Address:  152.1.59.21

> ^Drotag# telnet 152.1.59.21
Trying 152.1.59.21 ...
Connected to 152.1.59.21.
Escape character is '^]'.


ULTRIX V4.2 (Rev. 96) (csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu)

login: 
^]
telnet> close
Connection closed.
rotag# telnet 152.1.59.21 smtp
Trying 152.1.59.21 ...
Connected to 152.1.59.21.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu)  Sendmail 5.65c/CSC Super_Mail+ 07/25/90 ready at Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:03:22 -0500
vrfy dsholtsi
250 Doug Holtsinger <dsholtsi>
quit
221 csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.
rotag# ^D
script done on Sun Nov 15 20:03:34 1992
From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: If it's so sacred, let the Pro-Lifers have it. (Re: Who owns sperm?)
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:14:13 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1e117hINN3oa@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal
Leah Peri) >, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy),
regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard), and
beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) write in a thread on the
ownership of ejaculate.  I believe that all ejaculate from sex for
which procreation is not intended be saved up and stored at a central
location where pro-lifers can use it to fulfill its potential.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men,alt.dads-rights
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
X-To: ADRIENNE REGARD
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:09:00 GMT

regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes...
AR> Will Steeves writes...
AR> >Granted, you're wondering "Why is this idiot defending someone who has refu
AR> >to even bother hearing his side, and has just kept flaming him anyway?".

AR> Oh, come on, Will.  Why just this morning I refrained from flaming you
AR> anyway.  When's the last time I did that, really?

Actually, two days ago, I responded to your request that I "get a life".  Mind
you, this was not of the same shrillness as the kind of flaming I had to deal
with about three weeks ago.  Mind you, since I am two weeks behind in my QWK
packets, you will perceive that it has been over a month since that time period.

---
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ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids            "GOiDS Rule"
(416) 322-7876

"Cthulhu for President in '92 - Why vote for the _lesser_ of two evils?"
                                                          - Bronis Vidugiris
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 * SLMR 2.1a * This computer is a loan ; my Cray is in the shop...
From: markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (mark.)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: when does potential life begin?
Keywords: abortion. life.
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:13:50 GMT


 lots of talk lately about when life begins.
 answer: when you are born. 
 (or born-again, depending on who you are
 talking to and what spectrum you are talking
 about.)

 but now on to more philosophical, socratic
 discussions.

 when does potential life begin?

 are we so proud of our sperm that each is
 a potential life? do millions of would-be
 souls scream in agony as they race out of my
 penus and discover that they are in a 
 condom?

 is every egg a potential life? is pms a 
 mask for guilt that results from not fulfilling
 that "life"'s potential?

 when is a soul set aside for a life?

 or is life like an overloaded function? 
 can it exist without a soul, but with room
 for that variable when it needs it.

 mark.

 oo questions for today:
 can genetics be simulated with inheritance?
 is jesus a superset or subset of human?
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Abortion and humanity
Organization: Netcom, San Jose, California
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:32:46 GMT

frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...
> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>#How are we going to decide what is a human being and what isn't?  You
>#assume that anything concieved of people is a person, but that 
>#assumption has been shown to be largely arbitrary.  If I define as 
>#human anything warm blooded, then your argument could just as well be 
>#used to argue for equal rights for turkeys (and just in time, too!).
>
>Every definition has been shown to be largely arbitrary.  Your argument is
>equally circular, and equally worthless.  It could be used, and has been, to
>justify the worst atrocities in living memory.  Which is worse,  letting
>turkeys in - or leaving people out?

Your assuming (without suitable justification) that any people are
being left out.

So then, we're left with two equally worthless arguments.  You want to
make the set larger than do I.  Who's right?

Maybe we'll have to use some other method of arriving at a concensus.
How about one that produces the greatest good while avoiding the
majority of the evils?

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.flame
From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: Holtsinger on Harassment & Health
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:51:53 GMT

nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
->Since you have so many insults to spare, Lefty, perhaps you could get 
->Mr. Loomis to answer a couple of questions I posed to him a while back.

i'm sure you're prepared to do that which you're asking
of mr loomis about questions asked of you a while back.

when are you posting your apology about your lie that
adrienne regard posted a forgery?

when are you posting your apology for attributing
quotes to susan garvin which she didn't make?


Newsgroups: alt.adoption,talk.abortion
From: usglkrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Lori K. Rothman)
Subject: Re: Adoption is an answer
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:07:01 GMT

In <1992Nov17.162934.9510@ncsu.edu> jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:


>ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
>|>Ask my girlfriend, who went to a Catholic school, about the girls
>|>who were kicked out for being pregnant when the girls who had had
>|>secret abortions were of course still in school.  I don't know...

>There is a very good reason. I went to a Catholic school to and they did
>not tolerate actions that might cause one to get pregnant it was stated
>in or handbook clear as day.Get Pregnant get kicked out. It may the
>wrong course of action but it definetly cut down on risky behavior.

My sister-in-law is currently compiling statistics on a study she 
conducted in both Catholic schools, and public schools in the same
city.  The study asks teenage girls questions about sex (and alcohol
and drugs) -- when was the first time they had sex (age), have
they ever been pregnant, what they would do if they got pregnant, etc.
So far, the average age of first sexual intercourse is about 3 months
younger in Catholic school than in public school.  A significantly
(I think it's currently in excess of 15%) larger percentage of
girls from Catholic schools stated that they would get an abortion
if they discovered they were pregnant, and more (only about 5%) had
already been pregnant and had an abortion.  The girls in Catholic
school were less likely to use birth control as well.

The reason the majority of them gave for not using birth control
was fear that their parents would find it, and they would get
in trouble.


-- 

Lori Kent Rothman
usglkrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

"Can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding....
I can't stand here listening to you and your racist friend"
		They Might Be Giants
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills)
Subject: Re: Let Keep the population down please!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Georgia Economics Department
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:13:20 GMT

> Eric Rescorla
>> Ferrari

>>If DODie is an x-tian, he must believe that there is no such thing as an
>>"innocent unborn child," since, according to x-tians, all humans are born
>>with original sin which cannot be wiped away until one prostrates onself
>>to their chosen deity.

>Doug says he is not a Christian.

In that case, he may not necessarily believe the fetus is sinful.  Statement
retracted.
-- 
Ferrari (mills@rolf.stat.uga.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The battle is won. So long for now.
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:26:03 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <nyikos.722022980@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
> In <1992Nov5.190215.2719@brandonu.ca> mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
>> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
[Eric leaving since Clinton was elected so p-choice "wins" for now...]
> 
>>> That's typical of the pro-aborts -- they're only interested
>>> in providing the choice to abort, nevermind about any other 
>>> choices.  
> 
>>Doug:  Are you implying that the right to readily available contraception
>>is threatened? 
> 
> Where does this talk of "threatened" come from?

When there was a possibility that Bush would be re-elected, the right to
choose abortion was most definitely threatened.

>> The right to adopt?  The right to carry pregnancies to
>>term?  In short:  Huh??
> 
> Oh, they support the rights all right (with the possible exception of 
> pro-abort Adrienne Regard), it's just that they can't be bothered with
> making it easier for women to make those other two choices, and some
> like Ms. Birmingham and Mr. Blackshaw [who may be pro-aborts themselves,
> but I don't have enough evidence on them yet to make a formal charge]
> do their best to emphasize the horrors of carrying to term. 

What's your point?
 
> For that matter, they aren't all that supportive of women who choose
> to abort.  I have yet to hear of any pro-choice groups helping women
> financially in re the abortion decision, the way Birthright and other
> pro-life crisis pregnancy centers do the women who choose to carry to term.
> Also, I do not know of any post-abortion support groups except pro-life
> ones such as WEBA, Project Rachel, and many local ones.

Maybe pro-choicers just don't have any cash to toss around.  Idaknow.
Your post seems pretty content-free as far as relevance goes.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: To the discussionaries!
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:01:50 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <1992Nov18.010639.8793@iscsvax.uni.edu> clifton9220@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>What about the freedom to be a christian?  In acts Jesus told us to sread the
>news to all the world.  Being a christian means at least giving the others the
>option to know the truth.

And being an American means reacting with respect if they reject your version
of the truth.  I can see that you are good Christian.  Are you a good
American?

Joe


Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: compromise
Keywords: Holtsinger refuted
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:49:01 GMT

In article <1eb9g4INNj4c@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>, regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.133648.25175@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
>>But I didn't bother getting into that thread
>>because I figured Adrienne could take care of herself. 
>>I haven't seen anyone suggest this yet, so I move
>>we nominate Dr Giggles Nyikos for the net.council of idiots.
>
>Second.
>
>As you see.

Okay, the motion has been made and seconded -- all in favor say (well, type)
"AYE".  All opposed, say "NO"...shut up, Petey Honey.  :-)

--PLH, one of these days, us anarchists gotta get *organized*.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,alt.dads-rights
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Subject: Re: Mondo Target Analysis there Nykios....
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:23:39 GMT

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

] nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
] ] 
] ] I've never been offended by the thoughts of fetuses. 
] ] Also, I had no trouble identifying my youngest daughter on a
] ] sonogram when she was 13 weeks old.
] ] 
] ] Peter Ny.

Hmmm - yes.  My brother was shown the sonograms
of his youngest child - they were ecstatic - one
of each, a girl to go along with the son they had!

Alexander was unnamed for almost a week because
they were not prepared for a male child - all 
indications were the fetus had been female.  No
one had any trouble identifying "her", either.

] Now next minor technical question....
] 
] You were of course able to tell gender?
] 
] or is this another one of those hand waves at
] how a circle is two sided as it has an inside and an outside,
] 
] and that a triangle is two sided as it has an inside and an outside, 
] 
] and that a Square is two sided as it has an inside and an outside,  
] 
] REPEAT TO INFINITY

Most likely...

Diana
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: restrictions
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:02:19 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Nov17.055146.5262@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>smgarvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (susan garvin) writes ...
>>  If someone who lived in an isolated
>>area took this action today, believing it to be safer than
>>performing major surgery undernon-sterile condition, I wouldn't want
>>that person to be prosecuted for manslaughter.  I wonder
>>if Fischer would.
>Of course not.  But to argue that the life of a born -10 minutes
>fetus is less important than the life of a cat is equally absurd.  
>Isn't there some way of protecting viable fetuses while ensuring the 
>right of a woman to end the pregnancy?


Ray,

Is it a problem?  Is it happening with any regularity today?

Do we *need* to "protect" these fetuses?  Are they in danger right now?

No.

What's happening today is that women who want to end a pregnancy do so as
soon as they possibly can.  And the late-term abortions that happen are
almost universally performed because of major threat to the mother, or
gross fetal abnormality.

Don't get so lost in the argument that you lose sight of reality.

I'm one of the few who think abortion should be legal up to the moment
the umbilical cord is cut, and not even *I* am pushing for legislation to
reflect that belief.  Because it's *not* a real-life problem.

Adrienne Regard