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From: niceswangern@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: Unexpected costs at Mikey's
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:45:06 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Sep30.163558.18811@news.ysu.edu>, ag349@yfn.ysu.edu (David S. McMeans) writes:
> 
> I have always found the McDonald's food is all rights as
> long as you stop by the hospital afterwards to have your
> stomach pumped.  It must be the high fat content, the yummy
> grease, I don't know.  It seems that after I eat there I
> always have stomach cramps.  I talked to a friend and he
> mentioned similar symptoms.  I used to like it alot, but now
> I can't safely eat it (which I don't mind.  MikeyD's really
> seems to be a kids thing.  Once you're out of the 7th grade or high
> school you move to better things, Hardees or Wendy's).

	I know you probably won't believe this, but McDonald's has become a 
pretty hip place to eat at around here.  I probably went to Mickey-D's with 
some of my fellow high school classmates every other week or so last year.  
We usually ate and tried to identify all the characters that used to appear 
on McDonald's commercials of the past and made jokes about Grimace -- which 
you guys seem to be doing on this newsgroup, as well!  
	
> 
> And honestly, McDonald's hamburgers are not very good.
> Saying one likes McDonalds is like saying one likes Dominoes
> Pizza (the cardboard box it comes in is tastier).
> 
	Frankly, McDonald's food isn't THAT bad.  (It's DEFINITELY much better 
than Hardee's.)  True, the food may be cold, or greasy, or bland, or salty, 
or cardboard-like.  But other than that, it seems fine to me.  Plus, 
Where else are you going to eat for under $3.00? 

				Stuck in Storm Lake,
				Nate N.
				(hometown - Somers, Iowa)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: aar001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: FRY GUYS,  SEX, & THE UNIVERSE
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:59:36 GMT


	How do the Fry Guys Reproduce?

		I have seen the fry guys in many commercials, and have never
	noticed any bulges or sexual distinctions, save their voices.  As 
	a matter of fact, in this age of political correctness, I am suprised
	that the name "Fry Guys" even still exists.  Shouldn't it become
	the "Fry People"  or possibly the "Fry Individules"   
		Oh, and where did the fry guys come from?  I have seen people
	fried on acid.  Possibley these people were doing acid, looked in the
	mirror and took upon the appearance of their delusions.  They certainly
	act like junkie's.  Running around robbing people, grabbing munchies
	like fries, and generally acting like they are on drugs.  
		(Oh, and I believe that HamBurglar has a Fry Guy Fettish)  I've
	seen him hanging around with them in commercials and on the walls of
	McDonalds stores.  Some of those looks are not just of passing
	interest.

							-=[Andy Russell]=-

	P.S.  Just some bizzare food for thought...   Feel Free to Flame  ;)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell)
Subject: Re: Terrible Tripple Cheesburger!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:29:16 GMT

>>>	(Sorry about shouting)   I just had a tripple (sic) cheese burger, and 
>>>	what did I get?  Twice as much bun, and the same amount of meat
>>>	as a 1/4 pounder divided into 3 parts instead of 2!

Actually, the small patties are .1 pound each.  So you got .05 pound more
meat when you bought the triple cheeseburger.  So quit yer bitchin' already!
:-) :-)

WBB


--
Will Bell -- bell@cs.tamu.edu -- Live from the heart of Scenic Central Texas
"It's 2525 and we've got the most wigs alive!"
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: mgrebus@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Big D)
Subject: facts of life
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:50:07 GMT

Ian N.G. Anema <A605A559@HASARA11.BITNET> writes:
> Hey! That's a really GREAT subject!!! So people: give us your opinion:
> does Grimace needs liposuction? And why? And when?...

hey folks, i just *adore*... simply *LOVE* mcdonald's food as
much as the next vegetarian, but can't we talk about something
a little less offensive here..?!  

people [Grimaces included] come in all shapes and sizes, and that's 
just a fact of life. 

besides, liposuction is for nerds.

big D
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: McDonald's Trivia
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:11:15 GMT

In article <000035c.17.717277991@ace.acadiau.ca> 000035c@ace.acadiau.ca (DENNIS RONALD CHAULK) writes:
>How many of you know who the first person to dress up as Ronald McDonald in 
>the television commercials was?

Willard <I forgot his last name>, the weatherman on the Today show.

-- 
            Dick Grady               grady@world.std.com
Xref: sparky alt.consciousness:558 alt.psychoactives:1296
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Mind-altering drugs and the pre-conscious
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:34:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.consciousness
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

I recommend _The Atman Project_, by Ken Wilbur. The part on Freud
was very good, and Wilbur tries to extend it to higher states
of consciousness. I don't think he has had much experience with
the latter, though, as I did not think the latter part was
very clear, though I don't think it misrepresents, either.

Any book by Stan Grof would be a good place to look as well.
He used to do LSD work at the US NIMH until government hysteria
made that impossible. He now uses other methods to induce higher
states. He works mostly in a Jungian framework, so it is with
the unconscious rather than the subconscious. Some Freudian 
elements come out of his work (he is pretty empirical, but
in my opinion not sceptical enough), but there are also many
archetypal themes.

-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:35:50 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct3.131726.24533@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rkennawa@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard Kennaway) writes:

>In my more pessimistic moments, I sometimes wonder if what the Buddha
>discovered was merely our modern, everyday consciousness, and that the
>Zen notion that we are all already enlightened is true is a rather
>more literal sense than the followers of Zen intend.

If that were true, we'd all already know what the sound of one hand clapping 
was, and since the roshis still use it as a koan some of us obviously don't.


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: MIND-CONTROL By ORTHODOX Religions
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:13:10 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

In article <1992Sep29.181217.1412@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes in part:
|>           Since then, I have been 
|>           learning the TRUTH about many important things--religious, 
|>           political, historical, economic, even "scientific", [...]
\>
|>                The reason there seems to be little interest so far in 
|>           Eckankar, Sant Mat, etc., is because most people have been so 
|>           thoroughly BRAINWASHED by orthodox teachings. 

I this one of the "truths" you have learned?

I am dumb-founded by your blazing insight.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Mind-altering drugs and the pre-conscious
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:39:34 -0600
Followup-To: alt.consciousness,alt.psychoactives
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <28!pm4q.mesm@netcom.com>, mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
wrote:
> 
> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pink floyd) writes:
> I recommend a really wierd book that theorizes that man has only
> had the current level of consciousness for less than 5000 years.
> The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.
> By Julian Jaynes. Found in the Artifical Consciousness section
> of a local computer book store...

Yes!  Excellent book.  Anyone know what happened to Julian Jaynes after
it was published?  Last I heard, his office was moved to a broom
closet.  Seriously.
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness,alt.psychoactives
From: kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf)
Subject: Re: Mind-altering drugs and the pre-conscious
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:37:40 GMT

In article <28!pm4q.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pink floyd) writes:
>: 
>I recommend a really wierd book that theorizes that man has only
>had the current level of consciousness for less than 5000 years.
>The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.
>By Julian Jaynes. Found in the Artifical Consciousness section
>of a local computer book store...
>--
I also recommend this book.  I agree that the book is weird and that his
theory is unproven.  However, the first two chapters of the book entitled
"The Consciousness of Consciousness" and "Consciousness" are fascinating.  In
my opinion, they are MUST reading for anyone even remotely interested in the
subject of consciousness.  For me, reading these two chapters greatly clarified
my thinking about what consciousness is and especially about what
consciousness is not.  These chapters are mind-boggling.

(By the way, I personally believe that his theory is not as implausible as his
critics think.  But I do not want to debate this point.  I only want to
recommend that everyone read the first two chapters. (You can even skip the
Introduction.))

Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: probst@fraser.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: MIND-CONTROL By ORTHODOX Religions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:28:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171310.9888@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.181217.1412@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes in part:
>|>           Since then, I have been 
>|>           learning the TRUTH about many important things--religious, 
>|>           political, historical, economic, even "scientific", [...]
>\>
>|>                The reason there seems to be little interest so far in 
>|>           Eckankar, Sant Mat, etc., is because most people have been so 
>|>           thoroughly BRAINWASHED by orthodox teachings. 
>
>I this one of the "truths" you have learned?
>
>I am dumb-founded by your blazing insight.
>
i think that is a good point... having a claim to the sole truth can be a
bit of a problem, for all concerned. if others' not being interested is
proof of the brainwashing and therefore everything else in the system you
like, how are you ever going to tell the difference between a good and a bad
idea?

nice to hear from you, though.

scott

Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: MIND-CONTROL By ORTHODOX Religions
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:54:34 GMT

In article <6306@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, mshute@cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm Shute) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep29.181217.1412@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
|> >                       MIND-CONTROL by ORTHODOX Religions
|> >          
|> >               For the first twenty years of my life I was a Missouri 
|> >          Synod Lutheran.  For six years during grade school, I had to ...[etc]
|> 
|> Not again!
|> You've already posted this once, two weeks ago, in soc.religion.christian
|> (probably a few others too, for all I know).  I thought you'd already
|> received your replies to your thesis, there.  And yet, here it is again,
|> the original posting is completely unchanged.
|> 
|> Are you actually *listening* to the net... or just talking?
|> --
|> 
|> Malcolm SHUTE.         (The AM Mollusc:   v_@_ )        Disclaimer: all

But if he listened to the net, he would be in danger of being brainwashed
by what is said!   Maybe his method of defending himself from manipulation 
by others is to ignore everyone's ideas except his own....

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Mind-altering drugs and the pre-conscious
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:44:20 GMT

In <1992Sep26.035747.19099@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu
	(pink floyd) writes:

> I was just wondering if any research has ever been done, or if anyone
> has ever thought about the connections (if any exist) between the
> pre-conscious and hallucinations induced by mind-altering drugs like
> LSD.

It is an assumption that the effect of LSD is to produce "hallucinations."
I suggest anyone interested in the subject of psychoactive substances as
a tool for psychological exploration take a look at _LSD_Psychotherapy_
by Stanislav Grov, M.D., who has written quite a number of books on related
subjects.

> For example, are LSD hallucinations related in any way to what lies in
> your unconscious?

Dr. Grof makes very emphatic statements on this subject, and goes so far
as to say that LSD can be used as a very powerful tool to help understand
the psyche and what lies beyond it in transpersonal dimensions.  He is
currently working with hyperventilation as a means of producing similar
states of consciousness, for a variety of reasons.

--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: mshute@cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm Shute)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:10:27 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <markg.42.717906594@county.lmt.mn.org> markg@county.lmt.mn.org (Mark Gilbert) writes:
>>> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pink floyd) writes:
>>> I recommend a really wierd book that theorizes that man has only
>>> had the current level of consciousness for less than 5000 years.
That's not the theory implied in "2001: a space odessy" :-) :-)

>>> The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.
>>> By Julian Jaynes.
>I thought the book was brilliantly written, thoroughly argued and quite 
>convincing.  He discusses what consciousness is and what it is not, and 
>presents an argument about the origin of consciousness in human evolution.  
>Certainly our conscious mind was not always as it is today, and Jaynes 
>proposes a plausible path for the development of consciousness.

I would be interested, if you could summarise the book's main arguments
in a paragraph or two.  I'm sure that others would welcome it too.

Here, at long last, is a thread which is actually relevent to this newsgroup's
purpose, and something that we can get our teeth into, and fight back the tide
of abortionist name calling, and MIND CONTROLled writers with sticky CAPSLOCK
keys).

So, please, if you can spare the time, tell us more.
--

Malcolm SHUTE.         (The AM Mollusc:   v_@_ )        Disclaimer: all
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: markg@county.lmt.mn.org (Mark Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:12:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.060837.20382@unlv.edu> beleg@snooks.isri.unlv.edu (Andrew Bagdanou) writes:
>From: beleg@snooks.isri.unlv.edu (Andrew Bagdanou)
>Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
>Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 06:08:37 GMT

>In article <1992Oct3.131726.24533@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, rkennawa@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard Kennaway) writes:
>) 
>) Something I find most curious about Jaynes' book is that he never once
>) mentions Buddhism, although Buddhism began at about the time when he
>) claims that consciousness did (well, give or take a few centuries).
>) In my more pessimistic moments, I sometimes wonder if what the Buddha
>) discovered was merely our modern, everyday consciousness, and that the
>) Zen notion that we are all already enlightened is true is a rather
>) more literal sense than the followers of Zen intend.
>) 


>Mr. Kennaway,
>     Your most pessimistic moments must be pretty dark if you think
>day to day consciousness of the late 20th century is anything near 
>enlightenment.  So you don't have to wonder any longer, I'm here to
>inform you that pessimism will be abolished when we are ALL truly
>enlightened.

>-BB

I think Buddhism does better when it sticks to a release from suffering, and 
stays away from utopianism.  If we consider what the Buddha discovered to be 
a release from suffering, perhaps Mr. Kennaway is right.  Suffering is 
certainly our condition; it surrounds us, and we cannot escape it.  But, as 
modern humans, we can consciously consider the causes of our suffering.  
This ability to leap from the experience of suffering to the conscious 
consideration of suffering is a liberating ability.  It allows us to rise 
above our condition.

Camus discusses this ability in his essay, The Myth of Sisyphus.  He 
describes the punishment to which the gods have condemned Sisyphus.  
Sisyphus must repeatedly roll a large rock to the top of a hill, from whence 
it rolls back to the bottom.  Sisyphus is trapped for all eternity in an 
existence of constant toil, rolling the rock to the top of the hill and 
watching it roll back down.  But, Camus does not dwell on the suffering of 
the uphill struggle.  Rather, he wonders about Sisyphus' walk back to the 
bottom of the hill.  Sisyphus, being a conscious human, is able to consider 
the suffering in which he is trapped.  Is this ability a gift or merely a 
mental torture?  Surely the optimist would count his ability a gift.

Mark Gilbert	10/4/92
-----------------------








Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: tarzan
Subject: mind-altering drugs and the pre-
Summary: astral projection
Reply-To: john donald
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:25:58 GMT

 i would like to recommend many books on astral projection. rick stack
  robert monroe, there are more but i don't have them at hand.
From: markg@county.lmt.mn.org (Mark Gilbert)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:29:54 GMT
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA

In article <Stafford-300992123632@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>In article <28!pm4q.mesm@netcom.com>, mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
>wrote:
>> 
>> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pink floyd) writes:
>> I recommend a really wierd book that theorizes that man has only
>> had the current level of consciousness for less than 5000 years.
>> The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.
>> By Julian Jaynes. Found in the Artifical Consciousness section
>> of a local computer book store...

>Yes!  Excellent book.  Anyone know what happened to Julian Jaynes after
>it was published?  Last I heard, his office was moved to a broom
>closet.  Seriously.

I also thought this was an excellent book.  Does anyone else have 
comments on the book?  Does anyone know what Jaynes has done since or
know of any written responses to the book?

I thought the book was brilliantly written, thoroughly argued and quite 
convincing.  He discusses what consciousness is and what it is not, and 
presents an argument about the origin of consciousness in human evolution.  
Certainly our conscious mind was not always as it is today, and Jaynes 
proposes a plausible path for the development of consciousness.

Perhaps most controversial is his suggestion that modern consciousness 
evolved from a simpler form of consciousness, the bicameral mind.  He sees 
evidence of this simpler mind in the earliest recorded writings, and he 
traces the effects of the evolution of the mind through human history, 
providing plausible connections between the evolution of the mind and the 
evolution of civilization.

Mark Gilbert
markg@county.lmt.mn.org
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: rkennawa@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard Kennaway)
Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness . . .
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 13:17:26 GMT

Something I find most curious about Jaynes' book is that he never once
mentions Buddhism, although Buddhism began at about the time when he
claims that consciousness did (well, give or take a few centuries).
In my more pessimistic moments, I sometimes wonder if what the Buddha
discovered was merely our modern, everyday consciousness, and that the
Zen notion that we are all already enlightened is true is a rather
more literal sense than the followers of Zen intend.

--
Richard Kennaway     SYS, University of East Anglia, Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk               uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
From: gnat@stein.u.washington.edu (L Boyd)
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does human Life BEGIN?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:00:24 GMT

mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>          

>                     ABORTION: WHEN DOES HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?

>               The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to 
>          a question of when human life begins.  Many "pro-lifers" are 


WRONGO!  You can't know the unknowable...

The debate about abortion really boils down to who is entrusted with the
decision: a woman and (perhaps her partner) or a bunch of white men who
think that a decision of that magnitude can be legislated.

Lauren