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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Tyvek Envelopes - Any Kite Plans?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:21:21 GMT

In article <13967@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>I have about 200 Tyvek shipping envelopes (I just hate to throw good *stuff*
>away).  Does anyone have any ideas/plans for small kites using these envelopes?
>They are the size to ship 8x10 paper in.
>
>I guess that I could tape them together and make a large kite, but I was
>wondering if there were some existing plans.
>
>Also, if someone is planning a workshop and could use some please let me know.

I have a long roll of tyvek I've been meaning to use for sled kites. I
also have a source for lightweight mylar - comes in metallics. Don't
get the irridescent stuff.. its weaker and not the same plastic at all!






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From: dadams@dstrike.demon.co.uk ("David Adams")
Subject: Re: Rok plan (Was: Trial) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Data Strike Computers Ltd
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:12:24 +0000

In article <1992Dec16.205216.25941@nic.funet.fi> salanne@convex.csc.FI writes:

>Smooth Winds
>Simo Salanne
>
>P.S. Anybody succeeded to interpret my christmas card?

I did.  Thanks and happy christmas

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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 13:18:29 GMT


>Speaking as a flyer, why should I believe what a kite manufacturer has
>to say about things like wing loading (weight/area)? I mean,
>manufacturers are claiming wind ranges of 2 to 25 mph, which is
>ridiculous. Will this just change the numbers game for kites?

Of course, you know manufacturers better - especially one them:-)
But e.g. the weight is better "defined" than max or min wind range.

The following is fiction:
I'll buy a Katana and the manual (there is one, isn't there?)
specifies it weights 235+-20 gr. But I'll find out that it weights
285 gr! I'll return it to the shop and they will agree that it's
a faulty one because don't match the specifications. But if try
to return a kite because I broke it "well below the maximum wind
range", I'll doubt they won't argee anymore.
End of fiction.

The effective sail area is more complicated than the weight.

>Knowing some of the manufacturers, I'm not sure if all of them are
>really capable of measuring the area accurately anyway. I've had
>discussions about air flow and aspect ratio with some manufacturers
>and they didn't have a clue about what these things really were.
Do they make "good" kites?

>One thing that will work in this regard is to let SKQ know that this
>information is important in kite reviews that they do. Don't tell them
>I sent you though, Bob Hanson will give me a really hard time if he
>knows I put the net up to this...
That's a good idea.


>to measure the area and such, and come up with a set of "measurements"
>that would be gathered. Off the top of my head, I would suggest:

>	wingspan
>	height
>	weight
>	area
>	nose angle	(kite is flat)
>	closeup angle	(nose angle with sticks/standoff's installed)

>From these the wing loading and aspect ratio can be calculated.

Measuring an angle requires device I don't have at hand.
I'll prefer to make more measurements on lengths and 
calculating the angles.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: era_pul@arkimedes.ki.ericsson.se (Peter Ulfheden consultant)
Subject: Re: Rok plan (Was: Trial)
Organization: Ericsson Radio Systems AB, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:24:38 GMT


Oh yes Simo, I did succeed to interpret your christmas card.
If your kites are as beautiful as your chritmas card I would
really like to see them ;-)


Tight Lines and a Merry Christmas to you ALL

Peter
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From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Subject: Re: Rok plan (Was: Trial)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:29:44 GMT

salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) writes:

>Smooth Winds
>Simo Salanne

>P.S. Anybody succeeded to interpret my christmas card?

Yes.  It was much appreciated.  (For those who didn't get it...it was a
blue-white fade of kites (sort of time-delay photograph effect) which was
pretty neat.)

Now, just wait until I ray-trace a kite animation with POVRay.  :)

Mike Gebis  m-gebis@uiuc.edu

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From: dmg@wmod2000.larc.nasa.gov (David Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Flexi prices
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:48:28 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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Speaking of flexi's, I just bought an 8 footer the other day.  It came
without instructions, so could some kind soul explain how to connect
my lines to it.
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Rok plan (Was: Trial)
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:40:53 GMT

In <ERA_PUL.92Dec17112438@arkimedes.ki.ericsson.se> era_pul@arkimedes.ki.ericsson.se (Peter Ulfheden consultant) writes:


>Oh yes Simo, I did succeed to interpret your christmas card.
>If your kites are as beautiful as your chritmas card I would
>really like to see them ;-)

Actually my Christmas card was started with a "CAD"-drawing of
"Ultral", which was my No. 1. competition kite last season.
It depends on the sampling speed of spectators eyes, how they
see my up-turns :-))

Smooth Winds
Simo
From: north@egr.msu.edu (George M North)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Rainy weather
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: north@egr.msu.edu (George M North)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: north@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1992Dec14.053045.14628@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes:
>In article <1267@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>>Can you fly kites in rainy weather?  This time of year some of the best
>>winds are in wet weather (what else do we have?) and I'd hate to have to
>>wait till spring to fly again.
>>
>>I have a Rev II  and a Skynasaur.
>
>
There is no real reason why you can't fly in the rain. other than the
fact that it is quite unsafe to do so. with rain quite often you get 
lightning. so fly with care. Rain (water) will make the kite heavier and 
thus require more wind. And when you are done make sure that you let the kite
dry out compleatly before putting it away for a few weeks. water rot is 
a problem with many materials. I don't know if nylon is affected in this 
way, but the thread may be more likly to rot. In any case if you fly in 
the rain do so with care.   

George.
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: About the FAQ...
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:43:01 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Just a short note and a question...
I am working on the kite review section of the FAQ.

Marty Sasaki (mss@das.harvard.edu) is working on the general
question section.

Who wants to work on the mailing list for the FAQ/ or who has
a copy of it?

Please e-mail me at Spaceman@Kuhub.Cc.Ukans.edu
Thanks,
Paul

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: NSR wingtip stalls during punch turns..
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:24:04 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I am having a problem with my NSR. 

Here is what happens:
     Whenever I try to do a punch turn, I tend to pull the
     kite out of the sky (even at high winds).

Here is what I have done:
     I have changed the outhaul position, but it doesn't really seem to
     help (increase the length from clips to leading edge (LE) and also
     tried it by decreasing the length from the clips to the LE)

Question:
     Does anybody else have this problem?  Is this to be expected?

Thanks,
Paul

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: matt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Matthew Hughes)
Subject: Kite stores, clubs, flying areas, etc.
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:36:43 GMT

Just thought I'd ask before lots of people leave for break - I'm probably
going to have some time over break, so I thought I'd ask - does anyone know
of any good stunt kite stores in the Claremont and Pomona area? Almost as
good would be the Orange County area. L.A. isn't quite as good, but still
probably doable. At this point, I think I am most interested in flexifoils,
although phantoms, revs, etc. also sound REALLY neat. However, this is from
a person whos only stunt kite experience is an old 2-line diamond ( I have
no idea who made it) that I bought a number of years ago. I stll fly it
occasionally, but it is sort of boring, and I'd like something a bit bigger,
faster, etc. On a realted tangent, does anyone fly regularly in these areas?
I'd love to actually see, possibly even test-fly, some of these kites!

Thanks much for any info, 				Matt Hughes
						matt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Rainy weather
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:23:26 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

Can you fly kites in rainy weather?  This time of year some of the best
winds are in wet weather (what else do we have?) and I'd hate to have to
wait till spring to fly again.

I have a Rev II  and a Skynasaur.

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From: danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Arch Angel
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:07:54 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Arch Angel 8'

     The newest entry from Dyna-Kite, and their first venture as far
as I know into the delta wing stunt kite arena is the Arch Angel.. I
first saw the magazine ads quite a while back, and soon found that
the ads were somewhat premature, so I've been bugging John at
Dyna-Kite ever since to send one out for testing.. The long awaited
Arch Angel arrived last week and I just had a chance to give it some
air time this afternoon.. The sail is 3/4 oz ripstop, no big suprise
there.. The frame is AFC 2300 graphite, using reinforced vinyl
tubing at the spreader connection points, and the standoffs are snap
attached to the sail ala Dean Jordan, but are also threaded through
a tab of sail material that's attached to the trailing edge
apparently to act as a retainer for the standoff should it come
detached from the kite. The flight characteristics are smooth and
stable with no sign of oversteer which should make it a great kite
for someone ready to step up from the diamond wing designs or as a
first kite for someone that wants to jump in at the big wing level..
The only handling drawback that I found was a slight tendency to
pull itself out of the air with a bit too much control input at the
extreme edges of the window, but was mostly able to recover with out
an 'unplanned landing'.. I'll see what improvments I can make via
bridle tuning, as the wind today wasn't really conducive to much
tuning, (too variable and choppy). The turns are just a shade inside
of the wingtip. The pricing is quite attractive for an 8' graphite
framed delta as it should sell at the $120-$130 ballpark level. There
are plans to bring out 3/4 and 1/2 versions (6' and 4' respectively)
later down the road, I'm told..

Ob. Disclaimer:

I am a stunt kite dealer and carry some of the above mentioned
product(s). As such, my opinions may tend to be somewhat subjective.


Good Winds and Tight Lines!!

                               Wind Wizard

Purveyor of High Quality, High Performance Stunt Kites and Accessories
 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: egc@daimi.aau.dk (Esben Gorm Collstrup)
Subject: Parawing contra parachute
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:37:49 GMT

  I have just read the article in Drachen Magazin about the ultralight
Parawing/Multi Parawing. This baby is BIG, 25 sqm (269 sq ft) or the area of
about four large Peels. I was wondering how large it is compare to a parachute
or Paraglider, so can someone tell me how large an average single person
parachute or paraglider is ?

--Esben Collstrup
--egc@daimi.aau.dk
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
Subject: Re: Rainy weather
Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:30:45 GMT

In article <1267@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>Can you fly kites in rainy weather?  This time of year some of the best
>winds are in wet weather (what else do we have?) and I'd hate to have to
>wait till spring to fly again.
>
>I have a Rev II  and a Skynasaur.

Dave Brittain once mentioned he would fly his Rev under freeway underpasses
with short lines when it would rain.  Now he just flies in gymnasiumns...


________
Steve Thomas
steveth@rossinc.com


Newsgroups: rec.mag
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ether Scrapelust)
Subject: THE FACE
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:58:29 GMT

I recently picked up some back issues of a magazine out of England
called THE FACE.  It seems to be a hip, photo, entertainment, art kinda
thing.  One of the back issues I got had an interview with TANK GIRL
artist, Jamie Hewlett (April 89).
 
Anyway, I was wondering if there was anyone out there looking to get rid
of a bunch of their issues.  If so, please email me.  
 
...e

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From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Early Spy Magazines Wanted
Organization: The Off Beat
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:58:38 GMT

I'd like to complete my run of Spy magazine by acquiring the very
earliest issues.  I'm not sure when issue #1 came out (even that info
would be appreciated), but I would guess I need the first half-dozen
or so issues.  Anyone have them and want to sell?

-dx
From: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Mark A Bialik)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: RE: Playboy, Erika
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:44:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu


Hello,

Can anyone tell me what issue of Playboy, Baywatch's Erika E.
posed in?
She was on the cover (about a year ago, I think).

Thanks in advance!
Mark

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From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: Early Spy Magazines Wanted
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:29:36 EST

dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:

> I'd like to complete my run of Spy magazine by acquiring the very
> earliest issues.  I'm not sure when issue #1 came out (even that info
> would be appreciated), but I would guess I need the first half-dozen
> or so issues.  Anyone have them and want to sell?

try 1-800-476-3311, ask for Oxford Too (xt 400) and see if they have it...
I think this may be a very hard to find...

Newsgroups: rec.mag,misc.wanted,misc.forsale
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: Free Magazines
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:40:41 GMT


The following magazines are free, but you have to send someone to pick
them up.  The exactly months of the magazine are not so sure.

1. PC computing 1988-1991
2. PC world 1988-1991
3. Personal computing 1988-1991
4. PC magazines 1991-1992
5. Science 1989-1990
6. Learning 1989-1991
7. Seventeen 1990-1992 this month
8. American film 1989-1990
9. Mademoselle 1989-1991
10 Hod rods 1989-1991
11 Smithsonium 1988-1991
12 Automobile 1988-1992
13 Video review
14 Consumer digest
15 European travel & life
16 Vogue
17 Conde Nast Traveler
18 Home and Garden (HG)
19 YM (young & modern)
20 American Scientists
21 Runner's world
	
from 14-21 probably until this month, not sure
Some names of the magazines I can not recall are not listed above, still
free for persons who need them.

I am interested in some fitness and body-building magazines. If you
don't need them, please give them to me.

I probably can not provided the exactly issue you need, because they
have been pile up and no way to locate.

Please feel free to take what you need for free.

I also have some textbooks would like to give the persons who need free.

Textbooks about French, Spainish, German, business, investment, consumer
behivor, Biology, marketing, English, Computer, etc.

Those testbooks or reference books are free to the persons who need.

Please just choose the items you need and give the chance to the other
person.

Eric Chen (803)6548817 SC area
ychen@clemson.hubcap.edu

Clemson University, South Carolina
From: weekley@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Don Weekley)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: magazine wanted ($$$$ offered)
Summary: Demi Moore, OUI magazine, purchase offer
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:10:19 GMT
Organization: Ohio University ASCGL, Athens


Hello folks,

	I have a friend who is a major Demi Moore fan and I want
to get him a birthday present. He has a copy of every movie she
has made and probably every magazine article about her. He even
has some episodes of General Hospital taped that he got from some
GH fanatics with her in it.

	But I just recently found out that she appeared in OUI
magazine in the early 80's probably 80,81 or 82. If you have a
copy of this magazine and are willing to part with it I am willing
to pay a lot to get it for him. (somewhere around 10x cover price
negotiable).

	Contact me via e-mail and we can discuss arrangements.

	Thanks in advance,		Don
 

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From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Highlights for Children
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:48:23 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I am looking for anyone who collects (or is looking to buy or sell)
the magazine "Highlights for Children" also known as simply 
"Highlights". I have a collection of approximately 700 magazines and am
looking to buy or trade for issues I don't have.

(Yes this is the magazine you see in dentist and doctor's offices)

Please send me mail if you have any "Highlights" to trade or sell.

Sincerely
Randy Finder

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Newsgroups: rec.ham-radio.swap,rec.radio.swap,git.radio.amateur
From: matwesx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (William E. Sadler)
Subject: Yeasu Dx400 TxRx pair for sale
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:14:55 GMT


Yeasu FR dx400 and FL dx400 TxRx pair for sale.

Like new condition, all manuals. $300 for the pair, you pay shipping.

Call anytime from 8am to 11pm east coast time- or e-mail.
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From: matwesx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (William E. Sadler)
Subject: Halicrafters & Heath TxRx for sale
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:16:05 GMT


Heathikit Apache Tx-1 and Halicrafters SX 101-A for sale.  $300 for the pair,
you pay shipping.

Original Halicrafters manual, and all Heath manuals (incl construction).  Radios
were setup as TxRx pair.

Call from 8am to 11pm east coast time, or e-mail.

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From: padams@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: How to re-waterproof tent floors?
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:54:38 GMT

From article <1992Dec14.201814.17525@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by garth@leland.Stanford.EDU (Douglas Garth Jensen):
> A friend and I both have tents which have leaky floors.  The original 
> waterproofing layer on the floors has simply worn off.  Our tents are
> otherwise fine, and I don't have the money to buy a new one.  I realy 
> doubt that Scotch Guard would do much to help the situation.  Does any 
> one know of a way to re-waterproof a tent floor?
> 
> -Garth (garth@leland.stanford.edu)

  you can buy recoat which goes on with a brush. it's available at
camping stores.

					-paul
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Purchasing equipment
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:18:16 GMT

You may want to try the Mountain Equipment Coop (Canada) at:

Mountain Equipment Coop - Mail Order
1655 W. 3rd Ave.
Vancouver B.C.
Canada
V6J 1K1

1-800-ONE-COOP (From Canada and USA)

(604)732-1537 (Local and International)