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From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Organization: gte
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:31:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.172017.477@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
> In article <36941@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
> >>Like the helmet bill, they didn't actually care about "trivia"
> >>like whether or not their claims were true or not.
> >
> >Helmet law?  You mean the claims are wrong, and responsible drivers
> >are safe on motorcycles without a helmet?  Wow...
> 
> The claim was that the "public" was spending a disproportionate amount
> of money saving motorcycle riders.  It's a plausible argument, but it
> happens to be wrong.
> 
> As to whether or not one can safely ride without a helmet, I'll let
> the folks in rec.motorcycles discuss that with Johnson.  I'll just
> point out that it is ILLEGAL for car drivers to wear a helmet, and the
> reason given for that restriction is that a helmet interferes with
> their sight and hearing.  I wonder why Johnson thinks that helmets
> don't have that effect on motorcycle riders.
> 

And what of the adverse effects of heat?  On a hot day, a helmet makes
you sweat a lot more: one of the earliest symptoms of heat exhaustion
and dehydration is an increased reaction time (I've been there a 
couple of times: you get to feeling real tired, your peripheral vision
starts to fade, you get dizzy/light-headed, thinking becomes a little
more difficult, then you feel like you're gonna puke -- it's time to 
get cooled down *quick*!)

Coastal areas aren't as big a deal as some of the inland desert 
roadways.  An adult without water can die in 8 hours in the
Mohave desert.  Clamp a helmet over his head and make it 10
degrees hotter, and he'll start suffering from dehydration and 
heat exhaustion that much sooner not to mention that he'll be
immediately more uncomfortable, irratible and prone to angry
(read: stupid) responses to stressful situations.

I was wearing a helmet when I got T-boned by a full size Chevy
pickup: the helmet was the only thing I had on that did not
get torn up (it never even touched the ground).  I'm sure 
someone out there is thinking that I was lucky -- WRONG, I
took specific action to keep my head off the pavement (rolled
onto my back and tucked my chin onto my chest).  I *almost*
got out of that accident, and if I had a little more peripheral
vision, I might have seen the pickup soon enough to totally 
avoid being hit.





-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Popping Them
Date: 15 Aug 1992 10:19:11 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

[talking about wheelies]

Any R100GS or PD owners out there ever manage to wheelie?
(Not that I'd ever try such a thing, but I'm trying to
find out if my lack of success is due to technique or
physical impossibility.)

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Motorcycle Fatalities
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:18:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.181613.19053@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>In any publication, I will give notice that "UNIX is a Trademark of Bell 
>Laboratories"
>Boycott Bell Laboratories

	Actually, UNIX is a trademark of UNIX System Laboratories, and they
WILL come after you if they feel you're infringing upon their trademark.  They
like to spend money on lawyers, so be careful.


-- 
Chris BeHanna		DoD# 114      1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	              1984 Dodge Omni GLH (well, almost)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Parabellum Windscreen for K75s
Summary: Any Experience with a Parabellum Windscreen for a K75s
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:54:23 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

Anyone have any experience with the Parabellum replacement for the K75s
postage stamp windscreen?  

e-mail or post, your choice.

jsh
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: USAA Insurance (was Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:27:48 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Aug12.213616.12829@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>The key thing to remember about USAA, is that they insure motorcycles
>as a courtesy to their Members.

Absolutely true.

>Funny thing is that there was an article in Motorcyclist a while back
>about a owners survey on one of the Suzuki GSXR's and one guy had the
>best rate of the bunch and he was insured by USAA.  I would have
>included the article in my letter, but I figured they might screw 
>him so I left it alone.

  He's probably glad you did.  I added my '86 FZ750 to my car's insurance
back in '87 without any problem.  Cost me $210 a year for comp/coll/unins 
motorist, etc.  Then last year I called to get the insurance suspended
since I pulled the motor out to go through it.  They looked up my bike in
their books and immediately canceled the insurance on it.  They said it 
was probably a mistake that someone had written it onto my policy.  Pissed
me off.

  A funny part to this story is that I made a claim on it in '89 when it
fell over during the big earthquake we had here.  After submitting an
estimate to the local USAA rep, I received a check for $1700 made out to me 
and me alone.  I bought the parts I needed and paid myself about $1000
for my time in installing them. :-)  I wonder why they didn't cancel me 
then.
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) writes:
: In article <936@pico.OZ>, conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake) writes:
:
[ discours deleted] 
: All true.  And you can't know what level of medical service
: is "necessary" unless you have some mechanisim of determining
: how important it is to people.  What they're willing to pay
: provides that information.

But, that often differs from what they are able to pay.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley women (tm)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:09:14 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 29911@advansoft.com, eparker@advansoft.com (Eric Parker) writes:
>
> If you want a lady that... 

[proceeds to describe the behavior of any well trained German Shephard]

>One that can snatch
>the whole weenie and get you the trophy. 

huh?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:04:18 GMT
	<1992Aug16.010634.10003@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,

> >>In <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) write\
> s:
> >>
> >>>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
> >>>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?

Seems to work fine on my Seca 650.  I've never noticed any tendancy
for turning one way to be slower than turning another (well, there
BOTH slow, but I don't think that's a function of the shaft drive :-)

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:00:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug19.220026.22140
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

>>That's easy, we carry them in our hands, then when morons in PORCHES
>>get in our way, WE BASH'EM./gb

>Dont worry, no self-respecting Porsche (that's pronounced poor-SHUH, not
>poorsh) would ever be caught going SLOW enough to get in the way of a
>Harley !

>Yuppies in Volvos, Saabs and Lexi are another story . . .

>Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
>cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
>DOD #810
>1992 FJ1200A

I don't ride a harley, and I catch and pass Porsche's all the time on my
GSX750, Volvo's Saab's and Toyota's are no match./gb
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:05:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.062535.5103@ecst.csuchico.edu> lrandall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>>
>>underwritten by Progressive (who I had good experiences with in Texas,
>>but they don't write polices out in CA).
>                    ^^^^
>                   insert 'new'
>
>I still have a policy with Progressive and at a good driver rate, $180/yr.
>Honda 500 Shadow.  I guess tho' if I ever had a claim on this policy they 

 
 Progressive - $80/yr for liability for ZX-10 89.
 Nough said.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Does It Exist? (Jawa?)
Keywords: Yes, virginia
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:10:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <14AUG199213014547@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov> wbetts@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov (Betts, Wayne J.) writes:
>Can anybody tell me if there has ever been a motorcycle company or model called
>a Jawa or Java, or anything similar?  I think maybe it is (or was)
>Czechoslovakian.  Any details would be appreciated.

  Absolutely.  Jawa concentrated mainly on four-strokes and street
bikes, while their sister company , CZ, concentrated on two-strokes and
dirt bikes.  CZ speedway and motocross bikes as well as Jawa mopeds and
sidecars (Velorex) are still available from:

American Jawa LTD.
185 Express St.,
Plainview, NY 11803
(516)938-3210

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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
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From: djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David J. Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Seeking Bike Recommendations...
Keywords: Sport-Touring Bikes
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:47:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

As the subject line says, I'm looking for a Sport-Touring bike
to purchase and when I read the 1992 Cycle World Buyer's
Guide, the 1992 Yamaha Seca II really looked like a great bike
to purchase.  For $3800, it is not too expensive.  But, I have
heard from some riders that the bike stinks... I haven't taken
a demo ride yet (I will when I have several models to compare
at the same time)... so my request is do you riders out there
have any suggestions or recommendations on a Sport-Touring bike
to look at, besides the Yamaha Seca II.  Feel free to go back 
five or so years.  I don't want a bike that looks old, I like
the new sporty look and I have ridden a 1987 Kawasaki GPZ750
and that's when I fell in love with bikes (back in '90) and now,
I am seriously looking for a new or used bike to buy.  The 
Sport-Touring types really appeal to me 'cause I would like to
be able to go cross-country riding and at times, ride aggressively
(within my limits, of course).

Follow-ups postings or email messages would both be greatly
appreciated.  Unfortunately, I will be leaving the net for a
short time next week, so there might be a delay before I can
send off some replies, if necessary or desired.

				Thanks A LOT....

				David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:22:28 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1497@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
>
>> ... [David said] you simply need to push on the gas tank with your knee
>> to make the bike steer. This doesn't sound like counter-steering at all.
>
>skao@booboo.tcs.com (Simon Kao) writes:
>> To which I say: Yes, it is, but it's hidden from the user. That is to
>> say, if you use your left knee to push against the tank, in order to
>> balance yourself, you will unconciously lessen your push on the left
>> handlebar, which is equivalent to pushing the right handlebar, which 
>> results in countersteering to instigate a turn to the right.
>
>To which I reply,
>
>God, what an incredible heaping pile of bullshit that damned Dana dug up.
>(Oh what a stink we generate, when we set out to excavate.)

---Martin then goes on digging------------

>
>Your angle of lean can be established by adjusting the system's center of
>mass by shifting your weight, or by adjusting the position of the area
>of support by countersteering. (This moves the wheels out from underneath
>the center of mass.) Either or both mechanisms are effective; your preference
>will depend on total mass, your mass, leverage (handlebar length), your
>personal riding experience and training, and all kinds of magical stuff
>related to the front suspension, which are well beyond my understanding.

And to think that all this time I thought it had to do with the 
centripidal force acting on the edge of a rotating ice cream cone.

Well I'll be darned.

Rotate Free,

Bill
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cannon@ecf.toronto.edu (The Cannon)
Subject: mega blasters/bass monsters
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:18:52 GMT



I have been following the discussion about music on motorcycles, and am
very interested in listening to my walkperson on long trips.  I have
seen numerous ads for "Mega Blasters", which have recently been changed
to "Bass Monsters", speakers which are claimed to be 3/8" thick by 2 1/4"
in diameter.  From their description, these look OK, but as they claim to
have sold over a million of these things, I'd assume that someone here
has a pair.
So, what do you think about them?  are they worth my $30+GST+S&H?
I ride with earplugs, although this just cuts down on the noise. I assume
that the Monsters would still be fine.  Any input before I WASTE (?) my
hard earned money?
 
Kevin Linfield
From: hruska@bnr.ca (Bob Hruska P840)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet forehead welts & itching
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:55:16 GMT
Organization: bnr
Originator: hruska@brtph380

From article <3880113@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, by gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison):
> Does anyone have any suggestions [valid, not vapid :-)] on how to alleviate
> the forehead welts and itching from certain helmets during long trips? Here
> in CA we *have* to wear them so that excludes riding w/o a brain bucket.
> 
My Shoei RF-200 used to give me a sore spot on my forehead after about 30 minutes.
I folded down the cloth/foam lining (only barely glued in) in front to expose the
styrofoam.  Then I lightly sanded it, removing about 1/16" to 1/8" of styrofoam.

My first trip after that (The RCR) didn't even put a red spot on my forehead, and
it still fits very well.


  
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From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Roger Kou is more annoying than RE Mr. Small
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:24:58 GMT

In article <Bt3s1s.1Lx@news.udel.edu> andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
>
>Will you please quit your sniveling, puking, unintelligible whining
>and just go away?!?!?!?!

I nominated Roger the offcial Lance Holst of rec.motorcycles

Usual DoD voting procedure: I second my own motion, vote positive, the
motion carries. Who is going to be the KotLH ?
-- 
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                      "I'm fine" - Data, in DataLore
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:38:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:

>YES YES YES!  I am exactly the same.  When I lived in Penhill, the road went 
>down and then round to the left.  I could do 60-70 easily but coming back the 
>other way, only 50ish.  Weird ain't it?

This is probably because the radius of the turn is greater when turning left
and riding on the left side of the road.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW Service Gouge?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:21:17 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
: according to my dealier, the "standard" labor rate was recently reduced
: from $80 to $50. there will be extra for parts and probably if theres
: something wrong with the bike, but I got out of my 600 mile on my K100RS
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^

Something wrong would cost extra?!?!  At 600 miles something wrong sure as
hell better be fixed under warranty unless the bike was wrecked or abused
in some way.
   As to the original question, $260 sounds about typical to me, not right,
but typical.  I wonder why they think you need to chnge fork oil at 600 miles?
All the other oils have some potential for break-in metal bits, but fork oil?
I would expect this service to be worth about $100-$125 if it was done right.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: mega blasters/bass monsters
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.221443.1740@erg.sri.com> druth@erg.sri.com (Doug Ruth) writes:
|In article <Bt6tBG.C9J@ecf.toronto.edu> cannon@ecf.toronto.edu (The Cannon) writes:
|>
|>So, what do you think about them?  are they worth my $30+GST+S&H?
|> 
|I bought a pair about a year ago and I'm not impressed with them.
|While they are fairly thin, their diameter makes it difficult to mount
|in your helmet in such a way as to not irritate or interfere with
|your ears.  

Agreed.  I can only stand mine for about an hour, then need some time
off.  I, too, cut some foam out of my helmet (RF200) to mount them, but
I just slide them in there from the front after the helmet is on.  I
do wish they had used some sort of slippery foam on the surface, 
instead of that plastic grillwork, though.


|I also think they have a lot of distortion except at very
|low volume.  

They explain in the manual that this is due to too low a power output
from the player.  I have to concur, as my Discman puts out enough
clear sound to make it quite uncomfortable inside the helmet.

|helmet without crushing my ears.  I ended up using a soldering iron
|to melt part of the liner at each ear so that the speakers would fit
|flush to the liner.  

Ouch.  How did you keep from burning yourself?  :-)

|I'd save my bucks, not buy the MegaBlasters (or whatever they're
|called now), and check out your local electronics or hifi store.

I would compare, too.  I like them okay, as I think they produce
better sound (with the proper input) at a higher volume than
comparably priced walkman headphones.  And they do produce loads
of bass, which is attenuated the worst by wind noise.

Besides, it's neat; when you order them, they answer the phone in
French.  :-)

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)             |  this weird shit
No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions?     |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Stuff that fits (was: Hard-soled shoes/boots)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.161845.14856@ohrd.uucp>, 
	ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes...
>The hemlet is not there for the next bounce and the head makes a mess on 
     ^^^^^^
>the pavement. Yuck.

		Alas, poor Yorick!  I knew him well.  :-)

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
		"My bitch is an uptight wife" -- Small Jim
		 "He's fallen in the water!" -- Little Jim