HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rusty@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Hall)
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.010637.26866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes...
>Has anybody else noticed that some TV shows are finally beginning to 
>acknowledge the central role of cats in the American family?  Not only do we 
>have Data's Spot on "Star Trek," but also Otto on "Bob."  Can anyone think of 
>others?  Do you suppose that this means the world is finally starting to 
>appreciate cats for the wonderful family members that they are?
> 
>Ginny

Has anybody noticed how quickly their T.V. gets attacked when said cat 
on the show makes a sound.  I can't count the number of times mines 
been stalked.

R
From: msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (MARC SIEGALL)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Saving mini-blinds
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:10:40 GMT
Reply-To: msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

Help!  My cats will bend back (and break) my mini-blinds, so that they
can look out the window at night (while I'm asleep).  They push through
the blinds and sit on the window sill.

My current "fix" is to put a piece of wall paneling in front of the
blinds as a shield.

Any ideas on how to keep my cats off of the window sill, without having
to put up shields?  It's a low window, and they just walk onto the sill
from the back of the couch.  I can't put the couch elsewhere (besides,
they'd probably just jump onto the sill).

Thanks!
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Department of Management
California State University      (916) 898-5421
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From: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Helen C Crain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a friend gone
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:17:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1e1u0tINN3lq@natinst.com>, by Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com (Thad Engeling):
> My mother called me this afternoon at work.
> This morning around 10AM our calico cat Princess was put to sleep.
>............. She touched my life as much as any person.
> I loved her, and I will miss her.
> 
> -Thad
> 
You -will- miss her.  I lost my old girl, Cassandra, in
1988, and I still dream about her.  No pet and damned few
people have made me feel so special as that kitty did.  Why
do we let ourselves get so attached to such shortlived
critters?
-- 
Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 
UWMilwaukee Nursing                   Wisconsin, USA
"There is more of good nature than good sense at the
bottom of most marriages"    HD Thoreau
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Kate   )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:56:38 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

In article <1992Nov14.025815.14735@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>The other night, there was a story about Socks/Sox on the local news.
>They said that there is some dispute over his political affiliation, but
>if he is a typical cat he's an independent. =)
>
>Amy

Those of you who subscribe to Newsweek, there is a photograph of Socks in
the special election edition.  What an adorable cat! he looks perfect for
the position of sitting on the really expensive furniture and eating
scraps out of the White House china.

I don't know Socks' (Newsweek spells it that way) political agenda, but I
suspect that like most cats, in addition to being an independent, his
domestic platform highlights skritching behind the ears and Pounce before
bedtime.

ciao!
--
       Sheryl Stover  %  If you ask me what I have come to do in the world,
  & Hemingway & Clio  %  I who am an artist, I will reply: "I am here to
sstover@seattleu.edu  %  live aloud."                    -Emile Zola
From: dedward1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Deirdre Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:15:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <1992Nov18.020318.8850@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood) writes:
> 
> In article <B80SB63H@cc.swarthmore.edu> dedward1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Deirdre Edwards) writes:
> >OK, I've got a lot to say here.  
> >
> >2.  I agree with Jen.  This is not to say that every cat owner should go
> >all out for every surgery, but if you do not have enough money for the
> >basics, you  should not adopt a cat.  would you have a child on the grounds
> >that if it got too expensive, you would give it up?  
> 
> I agree that you should be able to pay for the basics and I've said this all
> along. Jen thinks that the basics covers just about everything short of
> exploratory brain surgery ;-).  This is what I have a problem with.   
> 
> I don't equate children and pets for several reasons that I dare not go
> into (save it for another thread perhaps) but I understand if some folks do.
> 
> Peace,
> Keith

I equate children and cats (dogs and other domestic animals too, for that
matter) only in the sense that they are living beings which are completely
dependent on us, and of our own creation.  Children come from our bodies,
and domestic animals from our selectively breeding other animals until they
are no longer wild creatures with a natural place in the ecosystem.  We are
responsible for both, and abusing either is a heinous crime.

Deirdre 
>
From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Am I a bad cat owner??
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:18:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Nov15.231832.10356
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov13.194819.19126@schbbs.mot.com> C14383@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Marie Cannizzaro) writes:

>Help! My four month old Tonkinese bites me when I play with her,
>when I try to brush her, when I want to cuddle. My hands are all
>scratched and she's even started attacking my face and lips. I'm
>a nervous wreck that she hates me for some reason.  I got her when
>she was 8 weeks old and she was a bundle of affection, rubbing and
>kneeding my legs, etc.  Now she still sleeps under the covers with
>me at night, but attacks me when she gets the opportunity. I'm gone
>from 8-5pm, but I always leave the light and radio on so she won't get
>lonely.  I know she's not sick or hurt because I took her to the
>vet only last week, and this agression has been going on for at least
>two months now.  Is it me or is this normal?  How can I get her to
>be lovable again and stop trying to bite me? (PS: all her adult teeth
>have come in, so I've ruled out teething pain).

>Thanks in advance......Worried pet owner


*laugh* I am VERY familiar with this problem :-) We got Zeb when she was
10 weeks old and she too was very cuddly and gentle and friendly. However,
as she grew up a little we were constantly being "bitten" and scratched,
rarely to draw blood from the bites. Zeb would always attempt to bite
us while play fighting and use her little back legs to scratch us. 
Biting also ensue following a few minutes of brushing...at first she
loved it and eventually would get frisky and start biting the brush. 
I've had many a calf muscle chewed on as I walked past the bed and
was skillfully ambushed :-) I think its a stage because Zeb went through
that from about 4 months....recently she has calmed down a bit and
would rather fetch Kit Kat wrappers :-) Although if my fiance and her
get into a wrestling match he is bound to lose!!! I think its their
playful age and the age at which their mothers would have taught them
to fight and defend themselves. It wears off and then they do even
more nerve wrecking things ;-)

jen (mommy to Zeb 8months)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Confused about worms...
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:36:38 GMT

In article <H.ea.aqg1UaaT&o_@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:

[...]

>Tapeworms don't always shed segments, and they seldom shed eggs, which is
>why a vet's fecal exam doesn't always detect them.  The method you refer
>to is called the "flotation" method.  The stool is diluted, not in water,
>but in a special solution which makes the mixture heavier than worm eggs.
>A cover slip is put on top, so any eggs that float to the top will stick to
>the cover slip.  After it sits for a while, the cover slip is put on a slide
>and examined.  This works for detecting eggs, but *only* if the eggs are
>present to begin with.  Tapeworms and canine whipworms don't always shed
>eggs.  Roundworms and hookworms usually do.  Coccidia is not a worm, but
>a one-celled parasite which also can show up in a fecal exam, since it
>floats to the top of the fecal flotation medium.

	Good stuff.  Thanks for the correction.  This brings up the obvious
	question though: how DO you verify the presence of tapeworms?  Luck?
	Or just observation over time combined with repeated fecal testing?


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: rubber bands and milk rings
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:43:10 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov20.164920.26126@noao.edu> morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin) writes:
>Query: Is it safe to let one's cat play with rubber bands? I thought
>that the fact that they're so flexible (and elastic) might cause
>them likely to get caught in a cat's throat or tangled in a paw/claw.
>
>I let my cats (Chessie and Peeper) play with paper balls, milk rings,
>breadbag twisties, and a few other things they find interesting, but
>I try to keep rubber bands away from them. Is this unnecessary?

I believe this depends on the cat.  I have had cats that I wouldn't
have trusted with rubber bands and some that I would.  If they start
to chew on them like they are going to eat them, then they shouldn't 
have them.

Tamora is perfectly safe with them, because she doesn't try to eat them.  
She just picks one up and shakes it and flips it somewhere and goes
to get it, usually "dives" to get it and rolls over with it and flips
it somewhere else....she's just a big kitty.  :-)
Tamora will only play with blue rubberbands, which are 1/4" wide and at
least 6-8" long (if they were cut, but they are not).  She will not touch
one of those ordinary tan ones.  I gave her a green one once, but she
didn't seem to like it as well as the blue. She is very pickey.  ;-)

When I discovered that the newspaper wasn't being wrapped with the 
blue rubber bands anymore, I went to several of my neighbors and asked 
them if they had any of the old blue rubberbands left and if so,
could I trade them tan rubberbands for them.  I ended up with about
50 of the blue ones, so Tamora will be well supplied for quite awhile.
I'm sure I now have some neighbors who think I am really eccentric,
though.  ;-)


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeremy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jeremy.l.radosh)
Subject: Re: Orson thinks he's Tom Cruise
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:56:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.234353.5969@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> daj8m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Deirdre A. Johnson) writes:
>when really she's a very sweet-natured animal....Ah well,....devilish
>too, of course (aren't we all)?

	Cats are almost as schitzo (sp?) as people.  Orson can be the 
	sweetest thing in the world, and then...
>
>By the way, Jeremy I wanted to tell you, I LOVE your computer drawings!
>I printed "Wild at Heart !!!" to send my (computerless) sister.
>Is it a portrait?  Is Orson round like that? Like Orson Wells?
>Anyway, GREAT drawing! Thanks!
>
>                                -Deirdre (daj8m@Virginia.edu)

Dierdre,
	Thanx for the compliment.  I just like to doodle, whether it's 
	computer screens or paper.  

	Orson is round, yes indeed, but he's getting better.  He used to
	be overweight, but I have been dieting him for about 5 months
	and he's slimmed down a bit.  His full name is "Little Orson Elvis",
	and I guess I wanted a fat cat based on the name.  I've had him
	since he was born, so the name predates his weight.  I guess that
	proves how we (people/cats) cat grow into what is expected of us.
	Since his last vet-check (the vet freaked when Orson weighed in
	at 18lbs, he should be 14-16lbs) he is only getting Iams for Less-
	active cats.
Jeremy

-- 
  (\_/)          " Love to eat them mousies,
  |* *|              Mousie's what I love to eat.
  \>Y</            Bite they little heads off...
   `U'               Nibble on they tiny feet."       B.Kliban `75
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: martha@gvlf7-o.gvl.unisys.com (Martha Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Cat Fight Over Socks, Clintons' Pet
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:47:47 GMT
Organization: Paramax - A Unisys Company, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa



This is from this morning's Phila. Inquirer  (11/19/92).  I thought it was
rather humorous:  (please excuse my typos, I don't have a scanner;
paraphrased without permission...)


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
President-elect Bill Clinton is furious at news photographers for luring
Socks, his daughter's cat, into camera range after he gave the press specific
orders to lay off the cat.

One Clinton staffer said the offenders used a form of catnip to lure Socks
outside the gates of the Arkansas Gov's Mansion.

Photos appeared in many newspapers as Clinton headed to Washington to meet
with President Bush.  They angered both Chelsea & her father, aides reported.
"The photographers don't have the common decency to leave a little girl's pet
alone," one staffer said.

A previous warning had been issued last Saturday: "Special note to all press
from the highest authority --- don't touch the cat again."  Clinton's warning
was prompted by a photo of the new first feline being held aloft by a television
cameraman that appeared in many newspapers last Friday.  Daughter Chelsea
was upset by the photo, which was but one example of the impact her
father's new job is having on her life.

A source close to Clinton said grimly that there may be retribution for 
tampering with the cat.
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So, cat lovers, what would be an adequate retribution for those pest
photographers???  >:)



Martha H. Sherman
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood)
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:03:18 GMT

In article <B80SB63H@cc.swarthmore.edu> dedward1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Deirdre Edwards) writes:
>OK, I've got a lot to say here.  
>
>2.  I agree with Jen.  This is not to say that every cat owner should go
>all out for every surgery, but if you do not have enough money for the
>basics, you  should not adopt a cat.  would you have a child on the grounds
>that if it got too expensive, you would give it up?  

I agree that you should be able to pay for the basics and I've said this all
along. Jen thinks that the basics covers just about everything short of
exploratory brain surgery ;-).  This is what I have a problem with.   

I don't equate children and pets for several reasons that I dare not go
into (save it for another thread perhaps) but I understand if some folks do.

Peace,
Keith
From: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a friend gone
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:52:12 GMT
Reply-To: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


The trick is to not get attached.  That's the trick, but I haven't
learned how to do it and I never will.

My babe send a big hug to you and your parents.

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From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Cat Toys
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:28:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: wetware.1992Nov22.152834.4936
Distribution: usa
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake") writes:

] erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
] >Speaking of fur mousies, how many people have given 
] >their feline friends those damned things?  
] 
] I got the mousie in hopes that she would give up the ball-shaped wire
] cage with a bell inside that she has taken to playing with and carrying
] around in her mouth and jumping up on the bed with at 5:00 or so a.m.

Heh.

This reminded me of another toy that is popular at
my house.  One of two, actually.  One is a mouse
I crocheted myself - with catnip in it - been going
strong for 5-6 years.

The other is this "mouse" I got at the RennFaire a
few years ago - one of the leather works folks had
come up with an ingenious way of using up the odd-
shaped scraps - those long skinny tapering bits that
are about 1.5 inches at one end, and taper for a foot
or more?  What they did is start rolling it up at the
wide end, until there was only 6 inches or so left,
then slice a hole through the roll and stick the
end through the hole - and sell them for $1.00 each
as "leather mice".  It's so strong that even with 6
cats having played with it, there's no sign that it's
been touched except that the fuzzy side is a bit
disarrayed.  They LOVE it!

Diana
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: FUR MICE
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: NA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:52:59 GMT

In article <ronnie.5@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> ronnie@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ronnie Findley) writes:
>THIS IS MY FIRST POSTING TO THIS NEWSGROUP AND I'M SURE I'LL GET FLAMED, 
>*BUT*, IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHEN MOST OF US ARE SO AGAINST KILLING ANIMALS 
>FOR THEIR FUR, WHY ARE SOME OF US STILL BUYING REAL FUR TOYS FOR OUR 
>KITTIES?  I KNOW I WON'T, AND I HAVE MADE MY FEELINGS CLEAR TO MY VET AND 
>ANY PET/FEED STORE I FREQUENT.  YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING MONEY INTO THE POCKETS 
>OF THE FUR INDUSTRY, AN INDUSTRY THAT'S DWINDLING MORE AND MORE THANKS TO 
>PUBLIC AWARENESS.  HOWEVER, I'VE RECENTLY READ THAT CUTESY REAL FUR TOYS FOR 
>ANIMALS AND CHILDREN ARE FLOODING THE MARKET SINCE HUMANS AREN'T, FOR ONE 
>REASON OR ANOTHER, BUYING FUR STOLES, COATS, ETC.  THINK ABOUT IT -- AND BUY 
>ONE OF THE MANY ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE.  
>
>RONNIE:  OWNED BY THREE FULL-TIME INDOOR CATS AND THREE OUTDOOR "SPARE" 
>CATS (HATE THE WORD "STRAY")           

How is buying farm raised rabbit fur for your cat different from
buying farm raised cattle and chicken meat for your cat? (Before I 
get flamed, yes I think there is lots of cruelty that needs to be 
stopped in this industry.)  If you find both practices terrible
and avoid both then I have no complaint (just as long as you don't
try to impose your will on mine).  But if you eat steaks and feed
your cat meat then I don't see the problem with raised fur that
doesn't come from endangered species.

Julie
DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else

p.s.  Please don't yell at us.  Use lower case.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Subject: Re: More evolving cat names
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:41:29 GMT

This is SO funny!! I thought we were the only people who do this...
Zebulon has many names too :-)..

Zeb, Zeboolaboo, Zorbalorba, Absorbalorbeen Junior, Monster, Zebulon delegate
of the nine planets, The Footie of 9,000 Dooms.... and we are just coming up
with more....She just takes it in stride ;-)

Jen
From: maillet@cs.dal.ca (Dray Maillet)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Raw Pork & Bacon
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:26:46 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <1992Nov15.164711.26912@gssec.bt.co.uk>, dgordon@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Gordon) writes:
|> Hello Feline Folk.
|> 
|> I've been reading the postings on raw pork with interest. Can anyone
|> make a definitive statement on whether raw bacon is also a major no-no ?
|> 
|> Does the curing process mean that this 'orrible little parasite thingy
|> is wiped out or is it a bit tougher than that ?
|> 

 If I remember my source correctly (a book I own that is far, far away), any
 pork product (bacon, chops, ham, etc), either cooked or raw, is a no-no 
 because cats have a very hard time to digest it. Kinda like my cooking in 
 general. 8^)

 Dray and Furball (Whom I miss very much. Just one month to go!)
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan)
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Reply-To: bette@wc.novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:04:47 GMT

In <1992Nov18.201125.13956@dunix.drake.edu> ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (The Dark Kitty) writes:

>I saw an interesting blurb today in the Des Moines Register about Socks
>the PresidentialBeastoCat.  Apparently some camera type news person held
>up Socks in the air for a picture.  The Clintons did not appreciate this
>and said something to the effect "Notice to all newsmen.  Don't touch
>the cat."  Though that isn't a direct quote it's pretty close.  =-)

As someone said earlier...I think I'm gonna like these people. (The Clintons
that is, not the press.)

-- Bette