From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Kashmir massacre (?)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:13:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.102126@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
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>  This is in response to Javed's comments:
>
>  Allowing the kashmir issue to remain for 50 years was the Nehruvian
>  Secularism - that has yielded *nothing*. Serious attempts to *solve*
>  the kashmir problem *will* not eradicate the poverty in India that
>  affects *both* Hindus and Muslims. Allah or Vishnu does not provide
>  a bias here. 
>
>  Javed's comments are inept and amateurish. *Any* government will do
>  (if not more) to "kick the shit" out of those who interfere with India's
>  internal affairs. Given the fact that we see (statistical fact) what is
>  the "peaceful" image of Islamic countries, any govt. will have to step-up
>  the security forces. The situation is pretty clear. If the U.N interferes,
>  i.e sends security forces, then it means that GOI cannot manage her own
>  problems. Before such a thing happens, GOI must put in more security
>  forces and get the problem over with. Combating secession is a moral
>  responsibility of GOI - that is the promise to all Indians. Preaching
>  peace does not work with terrorists and secessionists. What India needs
>  is extremely brutal attack on terrorists and secessionists. For 50 yrs.
>  all peaceful negotiataions have failed. Now, Kenneth Clarke has to give
>  his "most wise" views on Kashmir - provide solutions, eh ?????
>
>  The problem is not with Muslims in India - to whom Islamic fundamentalism
>  is abhorrent - as it does not come in their daily lives. The problem  is
>  with the root cause of all evil - a greedy country called Pakistan - whipping
>  up Islamic fundamentalist forces *within* India. One of such centres is at
>  Aligarh in U.P !!!
>
>  for some (p)secularist party to exist, there should be a platform. This
>  is again the concept of Nehru-Gandhi negative secularism - to negate the
>  terrorism committed by a particular community in the name of religion. (More
>  ironically, "That" religion calls for peace ????). Such parties spread
>  disinformation - confusing the press and the people. 
>   
>   The press has been allowed in the valley, or, how did Ed.Gargan go and
>   take pictures of the Kashmir - from the Indian side ??????? (I have the
>   copy, and, can mail a photocopy to you Javed.)
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>
>Appreciate your coments. But reading them, I could not figure out what you
>found objectionable in my response leading you to call it "inept and
>ameteurish". 
>
>Read it carefully and specify the objectionable parts.
>
>I would like to add:
>
>We have to be clear of what our objectives are. 
>
>Are we there because we believe that the common Kashmiris(Hindus, Muslims,
>sikhs, Buddhists ...) are Indian and that its necessary to end the terror in
>their lives wrath upon them by the militants or do we believe that all Kashmiri
>muslims are Pakistanis and enemies and our real objective is to secure the land
>for India, the Kashmiri muslims be dammed ?
>
>I would strongly oppose the latter. 
>
>Now if the govt. believes (which I think it largely does) in the former, then
>it cannot afford to blindly strike out like the terrorist militants. The govt.
>has more responsibility that we would think. The militants have no
>responsibility towards anyone and can afford to srtike at will and at random.
>The govt. cannot afford to do so. If it started striking indiscriminately
>assuming the entire muslim population as enemies, it will defeat its very
>objective and pupose of protecting common non-militant population.
>
>The govt. has to make sure that they do not end up creating more militants by
>killing innocent people. It only creates more problems and kill more chances
>of redeeming the situation. We must back a govt. which solves problems and not
>create new ones. Blind support for govt. actions is not patriotism its
>stupidity. 
>
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>
>--Javed.


Javed I agree with you.  I have two questions for you.
1. Do you think that Kashmir should continue to hold its special
status? and why?
2. How should we counter Pakistan's aid to the terrorists in
Kashmir?

Thank you in advance.

Manoj
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