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From: jbreeden@netcom.com (John Breeden)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: LIVE ABOARD RECOMMENDATIONS WANTED
Keywords: Live aboards
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:53:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.205330.12230
Organization: Netcom - Somewhere in the S.F. Bay Area

In article <746502KP31G601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky) writes:
>I am looking for some personal recommendations/opinions on the boats	
>in the AGRESSOR fleet. Specifically the Kona, Belize or Cayman agressors.	
>Can anyone who has personally been on any of these boats please respond	
>with their opinions and comments.
>
>Thanks

Just back from Kona - and the new Kona Aggressor II. This boat is a 90 foot
cat with a 35 foot beam. 5 double staterooms (10 divers max). Each room
has it's own head/shower and window! (this is not a "converted" boat. It
was built from the keel up for diving).

Still included is the "same dives" as before (multiple sites between
Kona-Kailua and South Point and, of course the Manta Ray night dive
infront of the Kona Surf Hotel (last summer we had 7 mantas in 35 feet
of water for *hours*).

The new addition is The Shark Cage (sounds of Jaws music in the back-
ground :-). Two uses. Anchoring at the outer buoy and chumming for
tigers and pelagic white tips and night time drift diving in the 
open ocean (ala Howard Hall).

And of course the crew (great, helpful, friendly and knowledgable).

BTW: For those of you that don't know Kona - it's got less coral than
the Caribean but more (and some say better) critters.

-- 

 John Robert Breeden, Hughes Lan Systems
          jbreeden@kailua.hls.com, johnb@hls.com, jbreeden@netcom.com

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From: zimmy@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: FEMALE DIVE BUDDY WANTED, BOSTON
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:40:51 GMT

One other point (and note I am not saying word one about whether the
original post was appropriate or not), but IF such posts are needed,
try to limit the posting range.  I know our news posting software asks
where to post (eg, world, usa, ohio, columbus, OSU campus, etc).  Of
course, I also dont think ours works :-), but if it did, I would
restrict a similar post to the columbus area.

But if supposing it did, then there could be many such posts, and only a
fraction of them would be seen by a fraction of people and I dare say
there would be many less upset people out there.

Oh well, nuff wasted bandwidth,
Mike (trying to be helpful and avoid flamage)

-- 
                                               zimmy@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
 Humpty Dumpty was pushed...                   PADI AOW/drift/deep
From: engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com (Eng Sin Teoh)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Bottom Scratchers dive club
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: engsin@anjing.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp - Australia


Thanks alot for all the responses to my question on the Bottom Scratchers.
I will gather all the infomation together and present it to my club.
Might even followup some of the addresses to the original members.

--

Eng Sin Teoh
engsin@anjing.enet.dec.com
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From: aa372@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Dusseault)
Subject: Mixed gas algorithms
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:18:52 GMT


I was wondering if anyone would know how the existing deco models
and algorithms could be adapted to diving with other gasses such
as helium, etc.  I assume the tissue half times and M values would
have to be changed.  Any info out there?

--- Mike Dusseault ---

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                                                   --- Mike Dusseault ---
CIS: 73150,527
From: bbaker@na.novell.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: AUSTRALIA - Mike Ball Expeditions
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:11:33 GMT
Reply-To: bbaker@na.novell.com ()
Organization: Novell, Inc., San Jose, Ca


I feel compelled to tell my recent experience and opinion of Mike Ball
Expeditions.

Three weeks ago I paid $370 to dive the Yongala Wreck onboard the Watersport.
Due to 2 meter swells, we were not able to dive the Yongala.  Instead,
we went to a couple really desolate and low visibility reefs. 
The complaint I have is that we were not told until AFTER paying and boarding
about their refund policy.  Once we had boarded, we were told that the 
current conditions were marginal, and that we MIGHT NOT be able to do the
dive, and if anyone wishes to leave now they would recieve a FULL CREDIT, 
not refund, to do the dive sometime in the next two years.  Well given that
we went to all the trouble to pack and board the boat and that we were not
likely to be able to get back to Australia in the next two years, we went
out on the boat.  The swells were beyond their 1.5 meter limit, and we
didn't get to do the dive.  And for our trouble, Mike Ball Expeditions
generously gave us a $29 refund.  $29 out of $370 !!!  We spent $15-20
on drinks on board the boat!!  Why even bother!

What I don't understand is why Mike Ball being one of the biggest dive
expedition companies (they have three boats) can't swallow the loss and 
just give a full refund.  We were told by the 1st mate that being forced 
to abort the Yongala dive only happens 4-5 times each year.  At least tell
people your policy BEFORE paying and boarding!!

In guessing why they appear not to care about dis-pleasing their customers,
I can only think that it is because they are one of the few companies
with permits to dive the Yongala and/or they do so much business that 
they don't care if a few people are unhappy with their experience.

Suffice it to say, that I will never dive on a Mike Ball boat again, and
cannot reccomend it to anyone.

If you're looking for great cliff diving, cave diving, night diving, and
shark feeds.  Go for a boat called the Rum Runner doing Holmes Reef in
the Coral Sea out of Cairns.  They GUARANTEE 30 METER VISIBILITY OR YOUR 
MONEY BACK. 
 
Now that's what I call a guarantee, and a reputable dive company.  

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From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Subject: Re: "liquid Breathing" -long
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:21:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211542.338@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com writes:
>
>In article <C0p7rB.5K3@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie) writes:
>>
>>          Hmmm... The only problem I forsee is that ALL the methods of
>>"liquid breathing" tested sofar, wash away the  cerfactants(sp) that exist
>>in the lungs of the test subjects (some of which where divers who had 
>>volunteered to undergo the test), causing total lung collapse in both (or,
>
>Hmm.  Could you provide some sources for these experiments.  I only know of
>one, and the test subject, who only had one lung filled with the liquid, did
>quite well, although he became quite sick after swallowing some of the fluid

Check out _The Physiology and Medicine of Diving, 3d edition_ by
Bennett and Elliott.  I've loaned it, so I can't give you the chapter
and verse, but there's a whole chapter on artificial lungs and liquid
breathing.  This book is available from DAN for about $60.

Cheers,

David Story		           	NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com		 Opinions my own, and subject to dispute.
From: dmh40@papaya.eng.amdahl.com (Doreen Singewald)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Dives in Gulf of Mexico?
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:37:32 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I didn't receive any responses a couple of weeks ago when I first
posted, so I thought I'd give it another shot...
 
Can anyone provide information about diving in the Gulf of Mexico?
We are planning a trip to New Orleans in mid-April and are wondering
if it would be worth the effort to haul our equipment along. How is
the visibility? What's there to see? Are there dive shops you can
recommend? Would a boat dive be significantly better than a shore
entry? Any recommended outfits? Shore entry points? Any and all in-
formation will be appreciated.
 
Thanks!
 
Dori
From: ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: LIVE ABOARD RECOMMENDATIONS WANTED
Keywords: Live aboards
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:42:35 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

I am looking for some personal recommendations/opinions on the boats	
in the AGRESSOR fleet. Specifically the Kona, Belize or Cayman agressors.	
Can anyone who has personally been on any of these boats please respond	
with their opinions and comments.

Thanks
From: tuell@sjh.org
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Re-Breathers on Discovery Channel
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:47:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: St. Joseph Hospital, Cheektowaga, N.Y.

Didn't catch that but had a EOD (Explosive Ordinance Device Specialist) talk
at our club meeting..he brought along a "bubbless" non-rebreather they had 
used in the Meditarrainean for disarming mines in the ocean.  It had a pretty
price tag.....$45,000.00 a piece...of course that was the price the govt. paid
with our tax money.  Interesting set-up...the device contained two tanks..each
about the size and shape of a volleyball.  The air was filtered through about
4 filters that looked like the ones in my air conditioning vent to decrease 
the size of the air bubbles.
In article <1993Jan11.193802.29839@newstand.syr.edu>, talarico@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John F. Talarico) writes:
> Anyone catch the show on DISCOVERY CHANNEL that had two divers using a "bubble-less" rebreather system that allowed them to effectively be silent among a school of 400 hammerheads?
> 
> JT
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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Re: Dives in Gulf of Mexico?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:32:17 GMT

|> Can anyone provide information about diving in the Gulf of Mexico?
|> We are planning a trip to New Orleans in mid-April and are wondering
|> if it would be worth the effort to haul our equipment along. How is
|> the visibility? What's there to see? Are there dive shops you can
|> recommend? Would a boat dive be significantly better than a shore
|> entry? Any recommended outfits? Shore entry points? Any and all in-
|> formation will be appreciated.
|>  
|> Thanks!
|>  
|> Dori

I can't say anything for the New Orleans area since I haven't made any
dives there.  I live in Huntsville, Alabama and spend most of my
dive time in Panama City.  If you can travel a day (by car) out of your 
way, read on about the Panama City/Pensecola area.

In April,  I would expect the water temp to be 60s-70s.  It is definitely
full wet suit conditions for me eventhough I have seen some people dive
in shorties or Darlex suits.  Visibility varies from day to day and in 
some cases hour to hour.  Most of my dives have had 30-60 feet visibility
at a depth of 60 feet.

In the PC/Pen area the seascape is very bland.  It is like flying low
level sweeps over the Sahara Desert especially if you dive directly off 
the beach.  There are a few ship wrecks in Pensecola accessable from the 
beach.  Ask the local dive shops about location and conditions.  The 
only real diving is from a boat.  This area started an artificial reef 
program some years back so there are all kinds of ships, planes, 
structures and debris in the area but are only accessible by boat.  

Don't go expecting to see the Bahamas.  You can get good wreck diving in
and see some coral formations already covering the ships.

I might also suggest you check out the Lake Charles, LA and/or Houston
areas.  My guess would be that you would have to take a boat out to
a wreck site or even an off shore oil rig.

Sorry I can't give you direct information.  Hope this helps.

 - Daryl "Dman" Owens -
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Jacques Cousteau's dive gear??
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:57:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <2791@grivel.une.edu.au> rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.) writes:
>	What intrigued me was his equipment....He was wearing a
> completely silver coloured wetsuit, and had just a medium sized silver
> box on his back, rather than a traditional tank.  

>	Is he perhaps using two small tanks (not unlike the original
> aqualung) with some sort of cover over it? He was also using an 'old
> fashioned' double hose type regulator.  

The tanks are indeed smaller multiple tanks.  My understanding is that
they are 3 30cf aluminum cylinders.  The silver and the box are purely
for show.  The double-hose regulator is also for show, mostly a
holdover from the "good old days."

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com           Better diving through inflatables.
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From: tstead@cs.umr.edu (Tim Steadham)
Subject: Hello all
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla



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From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Subject: Re: Decompression "games"
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:55:46 GMT

That's it!  Maybe we could convince Nintendo to create an underwater 
housing for the Game Boy!
From: JERINRA@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Robert Jerin)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: spring break dive trip
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:54:03 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stat.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I am interested in joining a dive trip over Spring Break.
I'm off from 3/5/93 - 3/13/93.
I have already dove Hawaii, Australia, the Keys and the Bimini chain.
I'll go anywhere warm, liveaboards preferred.
Send any possibilities, just one person.

Thanks,

Dr. J
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: strohm@sdf.lonestar.org (John R. Strohm)
Subject: Re: Mixed gas algorithms
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas -- 214-436-3281
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:17:47 GMT

I have one question about the various mixed-gas decompression table programs
that I see discussed here.

How do y'all plan to validate/sanity-check your computed results BEFORE you
test them on your own personal bodies?

I find the discussion interesting, from a theoretical viewpoint.  I personally
do not know anywhere near enough about tissue models and gas behavior to know
whether the results are correct, conservative, or life-threatening.

In other words, I plan to stick to compressed air and reasonably shallow water
for the foreseeable future.
From: lagache@violet.berkeley.edu (Edouard Lagache)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: WANTED: Contact info, Ontario Underwater Council
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:32:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu
Originator: lagache@violet.berkeley.edu

Hello again,

Sometime ago, someone posted to this group a wonderful collection of
scuba diving accident reports from the Ontario Underwater Council.  I
have used that data to write a paper on using Semi-Qualitative Methods
in diving accident analysis, and I would like to share that paper with
the Council . . . .  Only one problem, I have no address or other 
contact information.  Can someone on the net give me some leads?

Thanks in advance!

Edouard Lagache, lagache@violet.berkeley
Recreational Scuba Diving Socio-Cultural Research Project
SESAME Group, U.C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, 94720
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Video Tape- Dave Waller
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:18:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpdstma.ptp.hp.com

In article <12JAN199312502942@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>, fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith) writes:
|> 
|> I have not received the tape Dave Waller promised me several times and many many
|> months ago.

Actually, about 3 months ago, but that's still pretty bad :-(

|> Is Dave O.K. ?

Yes, I'm alive. I sent Greg's tape out yesterday along with about ten others.
I have recieved a response to my offer well in excess of what I anticipated,
and along with the holidays, job travel, and some personal matters, it has
been difficult to turn these around quickly. Each one takes two hours real
time to duplicate.

In any case, the lesson I have learned is not to extend offers like this.
Please consider the offer rescinded at this point for any new takers.
I do sincerely apologize. Out of 32 total recieved, I have 13
left to do; I can only do one each night that I am home early enough (I teach
SCUBA one night a week, spent Mondays at a friend's house for Monday Night
Football, and another activity on Tuesdays) which gives me basically
Wednesday and Friday to do the copying. My wife and I are usually gone
somewhere over the weekends, so that shoots most of them as well, particularly
in the last two months because of holiday visits to relatives out of the
area.

So.... This works out to an average of two tapes a week, although Mondays
are now available. To finish the other 13 on this schedule will take me
into March to finish up.

Please understand that when one of these tapes arrived in the mail, I don't
just cancel everything in my life and spend two hours copying it. I live
an in the Santa Cruz Mountains, an hour from work. The evenings I go straight
home I don't get there usually until about 7:00pm. If there is something
ELSE on the tube that I want to tape (like another PBS series), that takes
precedence over copying a tape for someone as a favor.

I owe you all an apology for not specifying some sort of timetable for
getting these tapes duplicated; however, having never dealt with a quantity
like this, I didn't have the experience to draw from. When a single friend
hands me a tape and asks for a copy of something, that of course is a rather
simple matter to turn around in a few days, particularly if what needs to
be copied is 1/2 - 1 hour. 32 such requests changes the picture dramatically
however.

I will be out of town tomorrow and Thursday for work, and then again all week
next week, so I probably can't make too much of a dent on the remaining 13
until after then, but I'll try and get as many done Saturday as possible --
I fly out on Sunday for Boston.

While I realize that none of this is SCUBA related and therefore not strictly
appropriate for this forum, it seemed that some explanation was needed.

-- 
Dave Waller
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: FEMALE DIVE BUDDY WANTED, BOSTON
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:04:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.134249.1428@fmg.bt.co.uk> pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:
>Jordan Weinstein (jweinstein@igc.apc.org) wrote:
>
>: BOSTON AREA, SJM, 43, NON-RELIGIOUS, SELF-AWARE, SOMETIME-ACTIVIST, NEWS
>
>I take it you mean Boston, Lincolnshire?
>
>Get a clue, fuckwit. This is rec.scuba, a worldwide Usenet newsgroup.
>Not a lonely hearts club for the terminally clueless. 
>
>Now go away and don't come back until you have something interesting
>about diving to say, preferrably *after* you have discovered where the
>CAPS LOCK key is.
>-- 
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Pete Young        	  pky@fmg.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 227151
> "Cast your bread upon the waters and you will get back... soggy bread"  

     Agreed the first posting has no place here BUT, lets be mature
here. Your flame is more imature than the original post! Lets not start
flame wars here, if you do not like what someone posts then hit 'n'!

Bob Staaf
bob@hubcap.clemson.edu

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: aa372@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Dusseault)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Contact info, Ontario Underwater Council
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:25:57 GMT


I am from Ontario, and have the OUC log book.  Will be becoming a member
soon as well.  In other words, here is the contact info:

Ontario Underwater Council
1220 Sheppard Ave. East
Willowdale, Ontario, CANADA
M2K 2X1
(416)-495-4245

Happy diving!
-- 

                                                   --- Mike Dusseault ---
CIS: 73150,527
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From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Re: Decompression "games"
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:21:41 GMT

Not that I do any deco diving but...why do you have to wait 10 seconds
before blowing the ring? I always just take a hit off my reg and let
fly. If you do this in the pool during a class everybody looks because of
the weird sound and the ring itself. Please post the article on how to
do this. I have about a 50-50 success rate at present. I've never had
anybody show me how so some "formal" instruction would be nice.



-- 
Dan Kell 
email to dan@resonex.com
"Experience is something you don't get until just after you needed it most."
                       Murphys laws of computing
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From: aa372@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Dusseault)
Subject: Re: Decompression "games"
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:22:52 GMT


Have you ever tried blowing "air rings"?  It takes a lot of practice,
but it's quite fun.  I can U/L instructions I got from a SKIN DIVER
sometime in the 70's.  BTW, watch out for rough seas.  Only attempt
this in perfectly calm water, because of the fact that you must not
exhale for about 10 seconds before blowing the ring.  This MIGHT
make you prone to an air embolism, or other air expantion injury.
Make sure your boyancy is good, and if you can, hold on to something
steady.
-- 

                                                   --- Mike Dusseault ---
CIS: 73150,527
From: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Decompression "games"
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <351@gradient.gradient.com>, by ddj@gradient.gradient.com (david johnson):
> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
> 
>>That's it!  Maybe we could convince Nintendo to create an underwater 
>>housing for the Game Boy!
> 
> Even better, put in a slot for game cartridges in your deco-computer...
> you don't want to get so engrossed you forget to watch the time. :-)

	You could probably get one of those sealable plastic bags for cameras and put it in one of those, the max. depth depends on the strength of the game boys case.
	That's if your really bored down there...

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