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Subject: The last week before a 10k
From: kitten@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Bruce Saul)
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:38:36 MST
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

	I read the interesting article in Runners World on
the last two weeks before a Marathon.   It will be a *long*
time before I am ready to run that distance.   However I
am up to 18 miles a week running five days and resting two
according to a training schedule in the Runners handbook
by Bob Glover.
	My ten K is in three weeks and I am right on track
according to the training schedule.   But his last week calls
for a two mile run the day before the race.   


	My question to the runners of the net, at any level
of experience, is what do you do the last week before a 10 K?
Do you run the day before the race?    Do you taper off and
rest the day before?  	Do you work on short speed runs?
I am very curious.


		Bruce /kitten@sneeze.resp-sci.arizona.edu
From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Painful heels P.S.
Keywords: plantar fasciitis heel spur
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:37:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

From my experience with plantar fasciitis this month going to a
sportsmedicine podiatrist who knows his or her stuff makes all the
difference.   I was lucky enough to find someone who did a 
THOROUGH intake analysis of symptoms, gait analysis, and examination
of shoes & boots (the culprit turned out to be, probably, a canted-over
new hiking boot, victim of poor quality control), and who started out
with a variety of conservative approaches (taping, heel wedges, 
an effective anti-inflammatory) rather than talking orthotics right
away.  (ME: "I'm surprised you haven't said anything about orthotics."
DOCTOR: "Ah, you want to just hand over $300, sure, I'll take it!")

Sadly, this was after a lackadaisacal misdiagnosis & undertreatment
by a GP with board certification in sportsmedicine...make you
wonder.

As for how you find someone both honest & competent, dunno... though
my podiatrist works pretty closely with university trainers &
training programs, so asking around that sort of place might be a 
start.  I can give a referral to anyone in Tucson :-)


-- 
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us upon that of Homer."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |     --Diogenes the Cynic
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Shin Stretches
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Need some bad!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:27:41 GMT

Can someone please send me a way to stretch/warm up your shin.  I've never had
tight shins before.  BUT on my run today my left shin just got unbeleiveably,
ridiculously tight.  It felt like I was running on a stump, needless to say, I
had very bad form because of it.  Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the time,
Eric


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     ---   </\_       to the swift,                 (AKA: Rico & Spam)
   ----  -\/\        but to those who         lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
      ---   /_       keep on running.  -?         also: @UCSU and @Spot
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano)
Subject: Re: Low Oxygen Rates?new
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:32:24 GMT
Organization: Dickens Data Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct11.224657.8075@ac.dal.ca> whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>	I just thought of a really cool idea to simulate running
>at high altitude. Take about four or five straws and stick'm in 
>your mouth and try running like that. When a big race comes up 
>just run normally and you'll feel like you're getting TONS more
>oxygen! Questions on whether it's harzadous towards your health?
>

Now that's what I call logical!!  The tricky part is to calculate
the number of straws to altitude ratio. :-)

You'll end up with something like 1.2 straws per 1000 feet.

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Luis P. Caamano                        |         lpc@dickens.com
Dickens Data Systems, Inc. Atlanta, GA |         uunet!dickens.com!lpc
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From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Wasatch 100, Info request
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:37:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: b4gdy02.mks-121092083729
Followup-To: rec.running
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group

Does anyone have any information about this run.  It may be 
a shorter distance, 50 miles or a marathon, but I heard some
good things about it. It's held in the mountains somewhere
East of Salt Lake City, I'm told.

Thanks,
Mark Sanders
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: How to stay loose
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:56:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


>>      I have a question concerning 'staying loose' while running. A year or
>>    so ago I attended a running clinic where they talked about keeping the
>>    upper body loose, ( do not make a fist, let your arms hang loosely by 
>>    your side, etc). When I do this or at least try to do this, I find I
>>    get side stitches and/or chest stitches and my shoulders are sore after
>>    I finish my run. (2.5-3.5 miles x 3 days)

 If I feel upperbody tightness while running I do two things that seem to
help-- 1)loosen my arms and punch straight down towards the ground--this 
shaking seems to loosen up back and shoulder muscles. 2)make a _conscious_
effort to relax my upper body; this works suprisingly well both during
training and in races.                   

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From: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
Subject: looking for Chris DRS "the list guy" (others please ignore)
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:13:57 GMT

Hi Chris!  I moved and lost your (and DRS's) address.  Can you
tell me how to get back on??  The past 2.5 months have been lonesome
w/o hearing all the chatters from the good bunch.

Thanx,
jen (used to be goose@twinsun.com)
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jwlx_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeff Wilcox)
Subject: Re: achilles heel
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: rec.running
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:19:39 GMT

In <1992Oct7.135952.957@schbbs.mot.com> cdis76@email.mot.com (Deena Snell) writes:

>My training partner and I have been preparing for the Chicago Marathon which 
>is 2 weeks from Sunday.  His achilles heel on one foot suddenly started 
>hurting.  It only hurts when he runs.  He has been staying off of it for over
>a week now.  What is the best thing to do for an achilles heel -- ice or 
>heat, etc.?  He would like to clear the problem up before the marathon
>on the 25th. 

I am currently sidelined from my cross-country season because of an achilles
strain.  If this is what your friend has then I can tell you what I know about
this. Otherwise?  If there is extreme swelling of he achilles and a lot of 
pain when you do an exercise like calf raises, and a little time and ice
doesn't clear it up, you may have a strain.  These were my notable symptoms.
I was perscribed on an anti-inflamatory drug, and go for frequent ultra-
sound treatments.  In addition constant icing at least until all of the      
swelling is gone, is recommended.  The hard part is that you are not supposed
to do ANYTHING that bothers it.  I am not allowed to run until the pain is 
completely nonexistent.  This isn't the type of injury that you can run
through.  This is a hard injury because after all of the swelling goes
down, I generally can't feel any pain until I break stride.  This means
I don't feel injured, and hence feel pretty lazy and frustrated.  Oh well.
I hope your friend doesn't have this, but have it checked out.  It takes about
five weeks (+/- ?) for a recovery.  
				
				Cheers,

				Jeff Wilcox
				U. of Rochester
				jwlx_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kpapai@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Ken Papai)
Subject: Moffett Field Runway 10K
Summary: Unusual race with scenery
Keywords: Navy, Sub Chasers, Flat course, 10K
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:42:13 GMT

I would like to give a short summary of I race I found most unusual.
It is called Run The Runway 5K & 10K Runs.  It took place in Mountain
View, CA last Sat. Oct. 10.  To me it was unusual for a variety of reasons:

- the race took place at Moffett Field, Naval Air Station, airport.  The
  ENTIRE course was FLAT, no hills over 12 inches anywhere to affect your pace.
- there was no cover from the sun (more later)
- the course (esp. the 10K) wound all over the runways, finding its way past
  P-3 subchasers, F-16 fighters, and C-130 cargo planes, their hangars, and
  mantenance crews.
- the only shade on the course was afforded in the final 1/4 mile just
  before the finish line by running through the (Goodyear) blimp hangar,
  this gargantuan construction of a building would be a perfect place
  to house an entire "indoor" 10K (with several interior laps of course)
- race participants (tax payers) were told not to touch any of the active
  duty, on-call aircraft

The federal government is retiring Moffett Field from the Defense Dept's
navy budget, by next year NASA will have taken over Moffett Field admin
and looking forward to next year's race!

(I have never run or race on an entirely flat (road) course ever, what
an experience that was)  The 1,000 or so participants sure got their
money's worth.  Active duty personnel were allowed to run free.
From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Pulse monitors
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:08:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: b4gdy02.mks-151092081043
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Grass Valley Group

In article <1992Oct14.100547.22661@ll.mit.edu>, rp@llex.ll.mit.edu (
Richard Pavelle) wrote:
> 
> 
> Has someone had experience with these? I would like to know the
> price range and whether they are convenient to use when running.
> Is the display easy to read, for example. Thanks.

If respondents don't post to the net, please EMAIL me also.

Thanks 
Mark Sanders
Xref: sparky rec.running:2831 rec.bicycles:23197 rec.bicycles.misc:899
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: cold weather running/riding gloves
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:58:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: mail.Bw6qI8.5ys
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Patagonia makes lightweight and expedition weight Capilene gloves, and
also bunting gloves (which I haven't seen for a while so maybe they're
out of production). In the capilene, though, they only make the two weights.

For running in the winter, I usually use the exp weight gloves. When it's
too cold for those, I usually use mittens. Neither of these are too good
for riding though, because they are too permeable to wind. For riding, I
usually wear ski gloves.

cheers,
scott
From: szloh@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Mike Szloh)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Columbus Marathon
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:25:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Oct15.122527.10543
Distribution: world
Organization: The University of Toledo

In article <ehmer-141092133253@mac2.beardsley.swarthmore.edu>, ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.132954.5202@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
|> ahenden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arne A Henden) wrote:
|> 
|> > Women's Wheelchair
|> > 1  Ann Walters          1:56:05
|> > 2  Diana McClure        2:22:07
|> > 3  Debbie Laplante      2:32:45
|> 
|> This isn't by any chance the Debbie LaPlante who competed in the hurdles
|> for Canada in the 70s and 80s.  Does anyone know?
|> 
|> Larry Ehmer
|> ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu

   Nope.  This Debbie Laplante is from Toledo, Ohio.  I think she is in
  her 20's.

-- 
 Mike Szloh | szloh@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu 
 The University of Toledo
From: elliott@sseos.lbl.gov (Jim Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Races in (or around) Cean, France?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 20:20:26 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: elliott@sseos.lbl.gov (Jim Elliott)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.12
Keywords: France

Does anyone know of any races in (or aournd) Cean, France between the dates of
24-Oct-1992 and 31-Oct-1992?  10Ks, half marathons, marathons whatever.
Responding through email would help.  elliott@sseos.lbl.gov  Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Re: How are your shin splints now?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:13:52 GMT

	I used to get shin splints, but I don't get them anymore.  I
really believe that the main reason for getting them is over training, because
I didn't change my workout when I got them, but ran through them.  I don't
think everyone should run through them, but mine were very low intensity
discomfort and I had run in the past, I was just building up mileage again.
Once my legs were used to the mileage, they went away.  Once again, I don't
think ignoring them is the best idea, but I had dealt with them a couple of
years ago and they never got really bad. If shin splints get really bad I 
know a stress fracture can occur.
	The other day I had a tight left shin muscle, but it wasn't a shin
splint by any means.

Thanks for the time,
Eric
-- 
       --    O   The race is not always              Eric J. Lorenzo
     ---   </\_       to the swift,                 (AKA: Rico & Spam)
   ----  -\/\        but to those who         lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
      ---   /_       keep on running.  -?         also: @UCSU and @Spot
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Achey knee
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:36:42 GMT

There never seems to be an end to sore knee questions here, but I have to ask
as my knee is a bit achey lately.  It doesn't cause me any severe pain by any
means, but I can definately feel an ache.  I'm juts going to take it easy on
my runs and will avoid this certain trecherous run for a while, which 
unfortunately is my favorite.

Enough babbling.  When should one ice a knee and when should a person apply
heat to it?  I usually assume ice is for swelling, but it feels so good(my knee
isn't swollen).

Thanks for the time, 
Eric
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       --    O   The race is not always              Eric J. Lorenzo
     ---   </\_       to the swift,                 (AKA: Rico & Spam)
   ----  -\/\        but to those who         lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
      ---   /_       keep on running.  -?         also: @UCSU and @Spot
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: cold weather running/riding gloves
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:07:02 GMT

epstein@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) writes:
>1. Are the expedition weight Patagonia capilene gloves the heavy
>weight ones they make, or the medium weight?
>2. Should I be so concerned about the gloves being too light? (perhaps
>I am overestimating how much I'll need when running/riding).
Expedition weight is the heaviest Patagonia makes.  I use an expedition weight
undershirt with a shell when I'm riding in the winter.  Expedition weight
gloves will be great for running but not for riding because the wind will
go right through them.
-Terry
From: mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Low Oxygen Rates?new
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: Engineering Productivity Group, Harris Corp., Melbourne, FL

In article <1992Oct11.224657.8075@ac.dal.ca> whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>	I just thought of a really cool idea to simulate running
>at high altitude. Take about four or five straws and stick'm in 
>your mouth and try running like that. When a big race comes up 
>just run normally and you'll feel like you're getting TONS more
>oxygen! Questions on whether it's harzadous towards your health?

Its not quite the same.  Your body regulates breathing by detecting
high CO2 levels, not low O2 levels.  At high altitude, both O2 and CO2
are at lower than normal levels.

Studies of swimmers using hypoxic training (taking fewer breaths) have
shown no benefit.  [From "Swimming faster", don't remember the author,
sorry].

At high altitude, the body adapts by increasing the number of red blood
cells to carry oxygen.  Blood doping and erythropotein (sp?) can
achieve the same thing, though both are banned by the IOC.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
From: kennedy@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mike Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:31:36 GMT
Subject: How to stay loose
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.running


	Hi,
  
     I have a question concerning 'staying loose' while running. A year or

   so ago I attended a running clinic where they talked about keeping the

   upper body loose, ( do not make a fist, let your arms hang loosely by 

   your side, etc). When I do this or at least try to do this, I find I

   get side stitches and/or chest stitches and my shoulders are sore after

   I finish my run. (2.5-3.5 miles x 3 days)

     Any tips on upper body form would be appreciated.

			Thank you

			Mike Kennedy
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 4 achilles heel
Organization: Motorola
Date: 8 Oct 1992 08:28:59 CDT

>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>My training partner and I have been preparing for the Chicago Marathon hich
>is 2 weeks from Sunday.  His achilles heel on one foot suddenly started
>hurting.  It only hurts when he runs.  He has been staying off of it fo over
>a week now.  What is the best thing to do for an achilles heel -- ice o
>heat, etc.?  He would like to clear the problem up before the marathon
>on the 25th.

Just a layman's word of caution... trying to run through an achilles
tendon injury is potentially disastrous!  It will tend to inflame the
sheath the tendon is encased in, and will actually damage the tendon..
possibly to the point of rupture.... this is *not* an injury you would
want to experience.

Good luck in the race!
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Subject: Re: Re; Sore Knees
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:08:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.050409.15272@CS.ORST.EDU>, reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct10.034116.15881@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhaines@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jennifer Haines) writes:
|> >I was diagnosed as having patellar tendonitis suring my spring
|> >track season.  I took three months off over the summer, and then
|> 
|>   Jennifer, I'll bet you a nickle your quads are not the same size.  This
|>   causes a posture imbalance which causes you to favor one leg over the other
|>   which causes knee pain which causes you to favor one leg which causes an
|>   imbalance in your quads which causes.....
|> 
|>   This happened to me, and I got on the stair master for about four months,
|>   and glory, glory hallaluya I can walk again... a miricle :-)
|> 
|>   In fact, I was so crippled with knee pain and chondromalacia and shin
|>   splints that I literally couldn't walk.  I finally broke down and went
|>   to a sports guy who was used to treating healt{hy patients and he did
|>   a bunch of measurements and all sorts of othe stuff and sent me off to
|>   the physical therapist. He also gave be a prescription to Motrin which
|>   helped the pain.
|> 
|>   Anyway.... give it a try.
|> 
|>   Good luck
|>   Jay Reidy
|>   reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
|>   .
Jay, Did you exercise one leg and not the other to correct the imbalance?

Ray Mascia
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano)
Subject: Orienteering
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:33:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dickens Data Systems, Inc.

Can anybody give me an idea about how to find out of any 
orienteering organization in the Atlanta, GA area? 

I want to get into orienteering but haven't found anything
yet.

thanks

-- 
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Dickens Data Systems, Inc. Atlanta, GA |         uunet!dickens.com!lpc
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stuart@nynnexst.com (Rory Stuart)
Subject: Re: How to stay loose
Originator: stuart@eclipse
Reply-To: march@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science and Technology Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:59:09 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.125358.1598@mlb.semi.harris.com>, mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
|> kennedy@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mike Kennedy) writes:
|> >     I have a question concerning 'staying loose' while running. A year or
|> >   so ago I attended a running clinic where they talked about keeping the
|> >   upper body loose, ( do not make a fist, let your arms hang loosely by 
|> >   your side, etc). When I do this or at least try to do this, I find I
|> >   get side stitches and/or chest stitches and my shoulders are sore after
|> >   I finish my run. (2.5-3.5 miles x 3 days)
|> >
|> >     Any tips on upper body form would be appreciated.
|> 
|> A tip I once got was to relax my hands and wrists in order to release
|> tension in my shoulders.  You should still keep your elbows bent and
|> swing your arms in the normal way when you run.  It's awfully hard to
|> run with your arms hanging straight down.
|> 
|> --------------------------------        _\/_
|> Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
|> #include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
|> 

A notable 400 meter runner (sorry, forgot which one!) trained with
ridged potato chips between thumb and forefinger.  He knew he
was not relaxed enough on fast interval repeats if the potato
chips broke/crumbled at all.  This was the measure of relaxation
he'd gotten from his coach.

A former coach of mine (Pete Schuder, whose book w/ Bob Glover
some of you have mentioned) spoke of making the "axis" of motion(i.e.,
that which moved with each stride) more the elbow and less the shoulder. At
least that's how he wanted us to think (do any of you notice  top
longer distance runners actually do this?).

As for your sore shoulders, I'm at a loss unless you are _so_ relaxed
that you are carrying your upper body in some strange way...I don't know.

Rory Stuart