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From: donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ren-and-stimpy,alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:26:57 GMT
Organization: none

In article <kem6wBe00VouACyURy@andrew.cmu.edu> "Robert J. Knapp" <rk3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Sorry, kids...Bob Camp just ain't got it...  
>-- 
>>: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us  :  A man said to the universe:     : Stephen    :
>>: or vagrant@holonet.net   :    "Sir, I exist!"               : Crane      :
>>:                          :  "The fact has not created in me : 1899       :
>>:                          :   a sense of obligation."        :            :
>
>I agree did any of you see his "New Adventures Of Beanie and Cecil"??? 
>Neat animation, but still bloody awful stories/jokes.  The animation was
>Bakshi-Mighty Mouse style with out the bite (i.e. good jokes, sexual
>innuendo(sp?) and other such goodies).
>Rob "Money is not our God" Knapp
>
>Open a book,				|	LEGALIZE
>and open your mind			|
>the only thing they can't censor	|	[MNIBG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
>is logic.				|
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>"Life is something to be experinced through the eyes of a child."
>                   			-Me

I would say that neat animation is overstatement. It was really imitation
Bakshi, and not that good. But they did show one old Beany and Cecil each 
week, and used the original theme song! I had no idea that Bob Camp was
involved. I just remember that B & C was only on about a month. He'll
be the death of RNS too.

					--Judex--
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From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Re: Ren's Voice and John K.
X-Xxdate: Fri, 2 Oct 92 23:53:47 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.224402.21861@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Andy Moore,
andy@ice.stx.com writes:
>Is Peter Lorre still alive?  They could tap him...   <grins>


Tangent alert ------> wheee!

Jazz Butcher does a great song called "Peter Lorre".  (Those who don't
know alternative music can tune out here.)  The track is a parody of
Bauhaus' "Bela Lugusi's Dead".  The lyrics (if I remember correctly) go
something like:

"Peter Lorre" (uptempo, poppy):

Peter Lorre
He's alright
He's alright
He's alright
He's on our side...

"Bela Lugusi's Dead" (sparse, forbidding):

Bela Lugusi's
dead
and dead            ----- could be 'undead', but not sure
and dead
and dead....


Hahahahaha.....

Well, at least I thought is was funny.....
-----------------------------------
email: Brady_David@Tandem.Com

Remember, David Brady IS Lee Harvey!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ren-and-stimpy
From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey)
Subject: Re: Ren's Voice and John K.
Reply-To: mckelvey@fafnir.com
Organization: Fafnir Software, Saugus, CA, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:15:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.013229.25387@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.224402.21861@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> andy@ian.stx.com  
writes:
> >Tony Murray writes:
> >}If, has is indicated in the FAQ, John K. does Ren's voice, and
> >}if John K. has been fired, I'm curious about Ren's voice in
> >}future episodes.  Has anyone heard whether they're going to try
> >}to find someone else (Ack!) or try to get him to continue doing
> >}that bit?
> >
> >Is Peter Lorre still alive?  They could tap him...   <grins>
> >-- 
> >Andy Moore (andy@ice.stx.com)
>  
>______________________________________________________________________________
> >                   Mnemonia (Rev 1.11)  by Jim Smith
> >
> >   It's ironic that mnemonic          Although I can spell phonically,
> >   has a silent m, it's true,         and like to think mnemonically,
> >   and an m in where a u might be,    Phonically, mnemonic seems to
> >   if you pronounce it "new."         fail to carry through.
> 
> Unfortunately for us, he is not. Died in the late 60's/very early 70's, I
> believe. I met his Widow at an A.A. meeting in Burbank, Ca. when I was about
> 10.
> 
> 					--Judex--
You must have been very mature for your age.  Most of the alcoholic 10 year  
olds I know are heavily into denial.  :-)
-- 
A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes, but to get in
accord with them; they are legitimately what directs his conduct
in the world. - Sigmund Freud
Jim McKelvey                      mckelvey@fafnir.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ren-and-stimpy
From: dprice@convex.com (David Price)
Subject: Re: Episode Log
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:44:04 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

WBRANDT@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Buffalo Bill) writes:

>  Here is the official episode log from Film Threat magazine--which should
>probably be added to the FAQ. It's been reproduced without their consent.
>If you're a serious R&S fan, you should really consider buying a copy of
>Film Threat. The other 16 pages of their article are packed with good stuff.

I picked up my copy last week, and I would say that the Film Threat
article is a "MUST HAVE" for the diehard R&S fan.  It contains some
priceless pictures that you may not get anywhere else, like the very
first sketches of Ren and Stimpy that John K. drew on an airplane barf
bag on his way to LA.  

Apparently John K has been upset with the way the mainstream media has
screwed up the stories on R&S, so it took an underground magazine like
Film Threat to really present R&S properly.  It seems that the editor
of Film Threat, Christian Gore, got along really well with John K.
since John even drew a sketch of the editor.

The lyrics to "The Lord Loves a Hanging" and "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy"
are listed.  Although these appear in the FAQ list, this is in print
with some more of the original sketches embellishing them.  BTW they
print Stinky's name as "Whizzleteats".

Of course there is the episode log that was just posted here.  I was
surprised that the censoring of the episodes was much worse than I had
thought.  Also note that there are no Commander Hoek and Cadet Stimpy
episodes in the new season.  I was quite disappointed.

The article has one quote from Bob Camp that seems to contradict what
was posted recently from the LA Times article.  In Film Threat, Bob
says "No matter what you do, he (John K.) can do it a little better.
And he does it so fast, too - right in front of you...".  In the LA
Times article, Bob says that John K. works slowly which would be
better for feature films.  So which is it?  Will Bob Camp put out
episodes _slower_ that John K. ?  Stay tuned for the next turgid
episode.

--
_	_	_	_	_	_	_	_	_	_
 David Price			| " ... on a 36 year mission to the Crab
 Convex Computer Corp.		|   Nebula.  We've made this trip dozens
 dprice@convex.com		|   of times."
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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Subject: Re: UGLY RUMOUR!!
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:17:30 GMT

Dave Waters (drw@esl.com) wrote:

:    Oh, and in the USA TODAY article, they mentioned a character
: named George Liquor that was supposedly in the 2 (or more) rejected new
: episodes.
:

George Liquor was in "The boy who cried Rat" as the guy who chased
R&S out of his trash at the beginning of the show.
He was also the Sherrif of nottingham in "RObin Hoek".

George Cifrancis
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:22:42 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank
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donnell@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:

>>>>> Sorry, kids...Bob Camp just ain't got it...   
>>>>
>>>> I agree did any of you see his "New Adventures Of Beanie and Cecil"???  
>>
>> That was Bob CLAMPETT, one of the original wackos of Termite Terrace. 
>
> I know the difference, but while Bob Clampett invented B & C, Bob Camp
> worked on the hideous revival a few years back.  

Just to bleed a little reality into this discussion, the Beany & Cecil
revival was just as much John Kricfalusi's baby as it was Bob Camp's
("imitation Bakshi" my butt).  I don't see how you can single out one
of the two and not lay blame on the other.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom_peterson
From: eagle@percy.rain.com (SJ Justin Klein)
Subject: Re: Convention Announcement
Organization: Percy's mach, Portland, OR
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:37:15 GMT

curtis%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu writes:

>                        DIVERSICON
>                      June 18-20, 1993
>                 Mineapolis-St.Paul Minnesota

>Science Fiction....

     Bull.  It's not an SF con unless Tom is going to be there,
     and I didn't see his name mentioned ANYWHERE in the announcement.

     The cheekiness of some people....

     -Justin the Blue-

-- 
eagle@percy.rain.com...........Justin the Blue.................S.J.Klein
[    Sundial Earth Station, near beautiful downtown Brooklyn Oregon    ]
[                    (Quite close to central Portland)                 ]
[..Std disclaimer: I was suffering from a head wound when I typed this.]
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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: Convention Announcement
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 11:58:08 GMT



Well, this will be more to your tastes...

Today's Oregonian carried the first ad for the new Tom Peterson (and Gloria's
Too) store, and.... it's still "the friendly place to buy"!   :)

Looks like old times!

Suze
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: orost@paul.rutgers.edu (Joe)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: The Six Napoleons (A&E Oct 6)
Keywords: Italian
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:17:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

So just what was all that screaming in Italian about at the
beginning?

Were you shocked as I was when Watson gave Holmes an order to
obey?  (I forget exactly what it was.)

                                regards,
                                joe

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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: London Fog in Holmes' Time
Keywords: coal, sulpher, fog, country air
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:53:37 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum


No Chuck, I guess I shouldn't have digressed into my own experiences so much.

My point is that the air in large cities was well known to be quite deadly to
those not in the best of health, whereas the country, having considerable
distance between dwellings only suffered from a bit of odor. 

I just added the part about my own experiences as personal witness to the fact
that even in relatively unpolluted areas (one was on the Irish Sea and had a
constant stiff breeze) the smell was enough to make one a believer in all the
old medical reports....

I hear you can't really experience a true London "Pea-Souper" in this
modern era of concern about pollution, because the air doesn't have a ghastly
greenish-yellow color during the more natural fogs of today, as it did in 
Holmes' day. Remember, Doyle was a doctor. He must have treated patients who
had good reason to fear "city air".

But don't take my word for it. This is a pretty well-known example of how bad
air pollution can become, and I've read about it in any number of articles on
the subject.

Suze
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From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Charles Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: The Man With the Twisted Lip.
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 18:50:39 GMT

In article <23524@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com writes:
>Other posters have commented on the time lapse between Mrs. St. Claire's departure
>and re-arrival at the Lascar's, relative to the time required for Neville to become
>Boone (sp?):
>> But given twenty minutes, at the very least you would have
>>enough time to clean up the mess, grab your clothes and your money and slip out
>>the back door.
>
>I disagree.  Have you ever tried to put on a full face of makeup, especially
>prosthetic makeup as he used?  I'm surprised he could effect the transformation at
>all in that short span.
>
	In all fairness, we're talking about the amount of time required to
*remove* the makeup, not put it on.  From experience, I can tell you that the
latter is *much* longer than the former!  >:-)>  And according to the story,
Holmes removes St. Claire's makeup in a minute or two with a damp sponge a
few days later.  
>-- Larisa
>larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com
Chuck
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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Was Watson Jack the Ripper?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:35:00 GMT

[I realize this is only a game we're talking about, but the "reasoning"
behind it does demonstrate how something vaguely resembling deductive
reasoning can be misunderstood and mis-applied]
In article <1992Sep25.133511.25535@access.digex.com> dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz) writes:
>As I mentioned in a previous post to rec.games.frp.misc, in a live
>action role playing game that I attended called "1897: Diamond
>Jubilee" set at Queen Victoria's diamond jubilee, the game masters
>made Watson, under the influence of the Jeckyll-Hyde formula, be
>Jack the Ripper.  Their reasons for doing so were:
>
>	1. If Sherlock Holmes had been around in 1888 (when the
>	Jack the Ripper murders took place, roughly), he would
>	have gotten involved in the Jack the Ripper case and, 
>	naturally, would have solved it.
>
	Certainly possible, as many authors of pastiches have demonstrated.
As early as the 1950s, W.S. Baring-Gould (in his now-legendary "Sherlock
Holmes of Baker Street") proposed that Holmes did, in fact, track down
Jack the Ripper, and that it turned out to be Inspector Athelny (sp?) Jones,
whom Holmes had once regarded as a bright, promising man.  Hence the cover-up.

>	2. Holmes must therefore have had some reason not to 
>	publicize the solution to the crime.
>	
	See above.  Many students of the ripper murders have concluded that
the criminal was a member of the Royal Family and that the whole scandal was
hushed up.  The script of the film "Murder by Decree" takes that as it's
premise.  In the movie, Holmes unmasks the culprit, but is silenced by the
Prime Minister.  One needen't cast Watson as the villain to find an explanation
that reconciles assumptions 1. and 2.
>	3. Holmes often pursued justice over legal correctness.
>
>	4. Watson had the medical skill demonstrated by the precise
>	dissections involved in the Jack the Ripper case.
>
	Questionable.  Watson was more of a "G.P." than a surgical speciaist.
In any case, this makes him no more likely as a suspect that any other doctor
in London.

>	5. Watson was a nice guy and would never have done the murders
>	in his right mind.
>
	Irrelevant, since it assumes that Watson is guilty.  Logically, you
cannot present as proof of an assertion an argument that presumes the truth
of said assertion.
[game description deleted]
	As I say, this is all somewhat tangential, but it does demonstrate
how easy it is to misunderstand and misuse logical argument.
>
>Joe Dzikiewicz
>
Chuck
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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: The Man With the Twisted Lip.
Date: 3 Oct 1992 08:57:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com (Larisa Stephan) says:

>Other posters have commented on the time lapse between Mrs. St. Claire's departure
>and re-arrival at the Lascar's, relative to the time required for Neville to become
>Boone (sp?):
>> But given twenty minutes, at the very least you would have
>>enough time to clean up the mess, grab your clothes and your money and slip out
>>the back door.
>
>I disagree.  Have you ever tried to put on a full face of makeup, especially
>prosthetic makeup as he used?  I'm surprised he could effect the transformation at
>all in that short span.
>

I agree with you Larisa. If you've ever seen a behind the scenes
interview with actors having prosthetics applied (for movies like T2
or shows like ST:TNG) they all say that the transformation takes
hours in a make up artist's chair. It's therfore resonable to expect
that at leat 20 minutes must've elapsed even in the printed story of
"The Man With The Twisted Lip". 

As a side note, I know that the Granada TV versions of Sherlock 
Holmes tend to take considerable liberties from the original stories,
but they're still a heck of a lot better than the liberties taken by
Hollywood during the Basil Rathbone era of Sherlock Holmes. Many of
those stories weren't even set in the correct time frame. Instead they
were set just before, or during World War II at which time Sir Arthur
Conan Doyle's detective would have been well into his 80's. Not to 
mention the way the character of Dr. Watson was portra
-- 
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From: hora@ecf.toronto.edu (HO ROBERT ANDREW)
Subject: Re: "Holmes" character a ripoff?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.202751.15702@cunews.carleton.ca> watson@sce.carleton.ca (Stephen Watson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.130715.13956@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>I was reading "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" by Edgar Allen Poe over
>>the weekend, and it rather surprised me.  Mostly because it instilled in
>>me the idea that perhaps Doyle plagurized the idea of the Holmes
>>character from Poe's character of "Dupin".
>>
>I've read the "Dupin" stories.
>Depends what you mean by "plagiarized".  "Borrowed a good idea" perhaps? :-)
>Interestingly, Holmes himself comments disparagingly in the "Dupin" stories,
>but I forget where, or the exact words.  Can anyone fill us in?
>
>I also remeber reading that Holmes was based on a real-life Scottish surgeon
>(whose name also escapes me.  Gee my memory's working well today!) whose
>methods of deduction ACD greatly admired.
>

From _A Study in Scarlet_ :

  Sherlock Holmes rose and lighted his pipe.
  "No doubt you think that you are complimenting me in comparing me to Dupin,"
he observed.  "Now, in my opinion, Dupin was a very inferior fellow.  That
trick of his of breaking in on his friends' thoughts with an apropos remark
after a quarter hour's silence is really very showy and superficial.  He
had some analytical genius, no doubt; but he was by no means such a 
phenomenon as Poe appeared to imagine."


Btw, Doyle's original model for Holmes was one Dr. Joseph Bell, who was an
old teacher of his.  One of my books here has an exerpt from the Strand 
written by Doyle which reads:

  "I see," said Mr. Bell, "you're suffering from drink.  You even carry a
flask in the inside breast pocket of your coat."
  Another case would come forward.
  "Cobbler, I see."  Then he would turn to the students, and point out to
them that the inside of the knee of the man's trousers was worn.  That was 
where the man had rested the lapstone - a peculiarity only found in cobblers.
   All this impressed me very much.  He was continually before me - his
sharp, piercing eyes, eagle nose, and striking features.  There he would
sit in his chair with fingers together - he was very dexterous with his
hands - and just look at the man or woman before him.  He was most kind
and painstaking with the students - a real good friend - and when I took my
degree and went to Africa the remarkable individuality and discriminating
tact of my old master made a deep and lasting impression on me, though I
had not the faintest idea that it would one day lead me to forsake medicine
for story-writing.


(from _The Illustrated Sherlock Holmes Treasury_ p.xvi 1984, Crown Publishers
 Inc.)
-- 
Robert Ho
Univ. of Toronto
hora@ecf.toronto.edu
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: The Lost Files Of Sherlock Holmes
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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I was at the local computer software store today & saw a visual
adventure game called "The Lost Files Of Sherlock Holmes" by
Electronic Arts. If anyone else on this forum has seen & purchased
the above, I have a few questions.

First, does the game remain true to the legend of Holmes or is it
put together to make money off the name?

Second, has anyone here played it yet? If so, is it difficult or
easy as adventure games go? Is it worth the $48.00 that the store
is asking for it?

Thanks in advance for any info,
Bill White


--He is the Napoleon of crime, Watson. He is the organizer of half
  that is evil and nearly all that is undetected in this great city.
                       --Mr. Sherlock Holmes
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From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella)
Subject: The Man With the Twisted Lip.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:47:00 GMT

Anyone noticed the glaring flaw (IMHO) in this Monday's episode on A&E
("The Man With the Twisted Lip")?

Mrs. St.Clair says an interval of 20 minutes (TWENTY WHOLE MINUTES) elapsed
between the time she was evicted by the Lascar from the opium den and the time
she returned with the inspector and the constables.  I thought the whole
premise of the story was that there wasn't enough time for Neville St.Clair to
do anything but don his disguise and get rid of his overcoat.  The whole thing
falls apart if you have 20 minutes to spare.  Why, you could finish dressing in
a leisurely manner and still have plenty of time left over for a cuppa tea and
some crumpets before heading for home!

The good book says "...[Mrs. St.Claire] rushed down the lane, and, by rare good
fortune, met, in Fresno Street, a number of constables with an inspector, all
on their way to their beat."  That sounds like only a minute or two, which is
very credible.  But given twenty minutes, at the very least you would have
enough time to clean up the mess, grab your clothes and your money and slip out
the back door.

I don't mind Granada Television taking liberties with the superficial details
(there are too many examples in this episode to count), but I do with they
wouldn't screw with the logic in such a major way! :-(

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, rao%moose@umnacvx.bitnet>