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From: ali@neptune.sws.uiuc.edu (Ali Durgunoglu)
Subject: Re: CHP KURULTAYI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:11:08 GMT


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Bu yorumu Sayin Coskunoglu adina network'a geciyorum.  Kisisel yanitlarinizi
lutfen kendisine yapin.  

Ali Durgunoglu
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> 
> Sayin Ozdinc:
> 
> Sayin Baykal'in CHP Genel Baskani secilmesi ile ilgili yorumunuzda gercege
> kesinlikle uymayan bir nokta var:"...SHP'de 3 defa SHP'yi kurultaya
> goturerek Inonu'yu devirmeyi hesaplayan fakat basarisiz olan Baykal..."
> diyorsunuz.
> 
> 1. Birinci olaganustu kurultayi Inonu topladi, Baykal degil. Hatta Baykal
> istemedi bile, cunku olagan kurultaya zaten az zaman kalmisti, ve Baykal
> hazir degildi. Inonu'de bunu firsat bildi zaten. Inonu'nun bu kurultayi
> cagirma gerekcesi ise  SHP'nin Istanbul'un Bayrampasa semtindeki
> secimlerden basarisiz olusundan Genel Sekreter Baykal'i ve Genel Sekreter
> Yardimcisi Erol Cevikce'yi sorumlu tutmasidir.
>  
> 2. Ikinci kurultay zaten olagan kurultaydi, Baykal cagirmadi.
> 
> 3. Ucuncu kurultayi Baykal ve taraftarlari istedi. Gerekce suydu: daha 3-4
> yil once %30a yaklasan oyuyla (yerel secimlerde) birinci parti olan SHP,
> Baykal'in Genel Sekreterlikten cekilmesi ile %20 nin altinda oy alarak
> ucuncu parti durumuna dustu. Boyle bir hezimetin hesabi liderden
> sorulmalidir. Hele hele Inonu sadece Bayrampasa secimindeki hezimeti bahane
> ederek kurultay toplayabilirse....
> 
> Gercek bu.
> 
> Her baskanlik secimini Inonu cok az farkla kazandi. Bu da gercek.
> 
> Yorumunuzdaki diger bazi noktalarda da tarihi hatalar var. Bu yorum
> hatalarini geceyim.
> 
> Yorumunuzun diger bazi noktalari ise daha ilginc. Ornegin, ulke capinda
> memuruna verdigi zammin butceye getirdigi 10 trilyon yukden yakinirken,
> sadece 670 kisinin devlete 7.3 trilyon vergi borcunu toplayamayan hatta
> bunlarin isimlerini bile aciklayamayan bir hukumeti "ulkemiz icin buyuk bir
> sans" olarak goruyorsunuz. Bu sizin tercihiniz.  Bu tercihi paylasmayanlari
> "ihtiraslarini ulke cikarlarinin onunde tutanlar" olarak niteleyemezsiniz.
> Bankalari, bu bankalara en cok borcu olan birini (Cavit Caglar) bakan yapip
> ona emanet eden bir hukumeti hosgorebilirsiniz, fakat bunu hosgormeyenleri
> "cikarci" diye niteleyemezsiniz. Vs. 
> 
> Bu paradokslara sizi dusuren Baykal hakkindaki onyargilariniz ve yanlis
> bilgileriniz. Dolayisiyla iyi niyetle yaptiginiz elestiriler aslinda hem
> haksiz hem de celiskili. 
> 
> Saygilar sunarim.
> 
> Osman Coskunoglu
> cosk@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:56:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Turks in Greece
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:04:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.171327.26993@leland.Stanford.EDU> errol@leland.Stanford.EDU (errol craig) writes:
>(Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:
>>
>>I said it in the past I will say it again. If you claim that the
>>Greek Cypriots were such bad aggressors, in this case racist and they
>>could/can live peacefully with a minority, then you automatically
>>claim that Greeks in general are that way. Then, it can be easily
>>shown that your claims are false since the Muslim minority in Thrace, Greece,
>>(which 50% are considered a Turkish minority) is literally thriving.
>>That is, it's standard of living is THREE TIMES higher than that in Turkey.
>>They have been in peace in Greece for more than 80 years.
>
>	I would be interested in knowing the source of these  
>statistics.  
>
>>
>>for the Muslim minority in Thrace, Greece: Beautiful compared to the
>>conditions in Turkey. Because Greece is stable, democratic and prosperous
>>country and it is a part of the European Community, the wealthiest
>>communist in the world. Do you get that, Besime?
>
>	I would contest your claim that conditions in Thrace are
>better for Turks than in Turkey, as an American who has been to
>Greece and Turkey on several occasions.  In particular I have been to
>Thessaloniki, Kavala, and Xanthi. 
>
>	However, you may have a point when you take the economic
>considerations of village life in Eastern Turkey into account.  There
>are some very sorry and economically depressed areas ( Agri, Kars for
>example).  When I was in Kars, nearly every shop had a forsale sign in
>the window! 
>
>	I would argue, however, that your claims are exaggerated.  My
>impression was that the Turks I saw in Thrace, while not destitue,
>were not well off either.

	They have the Kapna (ie the plants were the cigarets are made)
trade theirs. Greece actively fights for better deals in the EC for them as well
as for the other Greeks.
	Heve you been to Istanbul ? How do you compair with Thraki's standard
of living ? Especialy in the outskirts.


>
>Regards,
>
>Errol
>	

	George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: the real identity of "wieneramus" mega-poster
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:54:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9209131816@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

+>In article <visser.716349226@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:


+>Sorry, but I don't wish to know.

+>Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
+>        "Document No: 48," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 162, Drawer 
+>        No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 4-39, 4-40. 
+>        (To the Third Army Command - Acting Commander 36th Caucasian
+>        Division, Lt. Col. Recep)

	Note the title "Documents".  What these statements consist of
is remanicences of turkish officers from the turkish military archives.

	And also note how often Multu goes to either professors in the
pay of turkish organizations like Stanford Shaw or Turkish army officers
on the scene (of course very unbiased).


Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9944 soc.culture.greek:8844 soc.culture.jewish:15835
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: An interesting poll about the feelings in Turkey
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis


Quoting Hakan: (At least I bothered to spell his name right)
-> AN INTERESTING ARTICLE ABOUT THE FEELINGS IN TURKEY BY Micheal
-> Polymenakos
-> > Subject: An interesting poll about the feelings in Turkey
-> > Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
-> > The following is from a poll taken by the Turkish
-> > newspaper TURKIYE and published on 31/8/92 (8/31/92),
-> > asking Turks wow they feel about other people and other matters. >
-> > MOST DISLIKED                   MOST LIKED
-> > Armenia - 90%                   (Turk)Cyprus - 93%
-> > (Greek)Cyprus - 89%             Japan - 81%
-> > Greece - 84%                    Azerbaijan - 80%
-> > Israel - 81%                    Pakistan - 79%
-> >
-> > Do you consider yourself
-> > Asian - 58%
-> > European - 34%
-> > Both - 5%
-> > Neither - 1%
-> >
-> > Should Turkey persist on joining EEC
-> > Yes - 82%
-> > No  - 33%
->
->
**********************************************************************
->  ***
-> I guess you spent a lot of time on this article huh, Micheal. I
-> advise you review your mathematics knowledge once more before
-> creating imaginary articles. It helps man....
-> let's see....
->
-> 1. Do you consider yourself
-> Asian    - 58%
-> European - 34%
-> Both     - 5%
-> +  Neither  - 1%
-> -----------------
->             98%
->
-> oops you missed 2 points. Strange ha Micheal even if you have
-> included "Both" and "Neither" options, 2% of the people think that we
-> came from outer space.
-> 2. Should Turkey persist on joining EEC
->   Yes - 82%
-> +  No  - 33% -------------       115%
->
-> This is the most exclusive part of this article, number of attendants
-> exceeds the level 100%. This means that if you divide 100 by 100, you
-> come up with 115. This must be a magical numbers. It can happen for
-> sure. How about 15% of pregnant women and something happened during
-> the query. 15% error is not a problem for me babe.

  As for the 98%, you know very well what the term "Rounding" means, si
don't pretend to be stupid. All polls are rounded, and the results may
not add up to 100.

  As for the 115%, the correct numbers were 62/33 (not 82/33). I
apologize for the typo. I went over all the other figures, and they are
all correct, except for the one mentioned.

  As for your claim that my numbers are fictitious, I gave you the name
of the Turkish Newspaper that originated the figures. You can look it up
for yourself and tell us what the correct figures are. Tell me, do you
suggest that these figures were NOT published in TURKIYE?


Michael.
                                                                                                                
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Remember Cyprus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:46:41 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>>
>>The opinions expressed below are attributed to a good majority portion 
>>of the Turkish Cypriots, a friendly and rightful community in Cyprus
>>currently residing in the North of the island(away from the Greek
>>Cypriot community) IN LIGHT OF MY RECENT OBSERVATIONS.
>>
 
  She actually means: IN THE DARKNESS OF MY RECENT BLINDNESS.

  Now, the hole problem in Cyprus wouldn't have existed, if the bad Greek
  Cypriots had treated Turksih Cypriots the same way Turks treated Greeks
  in Constantinopolis.

  Besime can cry loudly, but this isn't going to revert history.  About
  2,000 Greek Cypriots, captured by Turks, are still missing.  The experts
  in geneocides, are still refusing to say what has hapenned to those people.

  Yes, the children who grow up, seeing the picture of their fathers hold
  by Turkish soldiers, are a subtle detail in Besime's thoughts.  Those
  children do not have the right to learn what has hapenned to their
  fathers.  

  I guess, Besime has failed to make this observation.  Vision problems?
  
  Now, I have read very carefully Besime's response.  All I have to say is
  that her ego is so big, that if all of the other Turkish Cypriots are
  like her, then there is no point of discussion. 

>Besime Erin

 
-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 20:04:17 CDT
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Popularity of neighbouring countries.

What happened to Lebanon?? Or are we already counted as Syria ?!!?!?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Hi to all my friends from Turkey
From: jsekhar@uceng.UC.EDU (DR J.A.SEKHAR)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:10:05 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College

Header tells it all


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin
Subject: Re: Herbert violating First Amendment.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:25:41 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <18qvvgINN2rd@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:

>	Warning: Ahmet Cosar (cosar@cs.umn.edu) has threatened to
>take legal action against me and others if this occurs.  IMHO he's
>just a bit out of line, but you have been warned.

And it was not a joke. Nature so works it that everybody gets a turn
at getting what they deserve in one way or another. 

>	BTW, the call for cancellation due to RFC violation is
>now pointless.  Thanks to Serdar, we now have a Path: showing that
>zuma.uucp hangs off anatolia (uunet!anatolia!zuma), so it's
>no longer unmapped.  Thanks, Serdar.

You jokers make me laugh.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: re: sipa's baaaack: ''The fanatic Greeks of our city,..."
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:01:56 GMT





In article <18ggliINN5n6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>"Scary" would be a better world; But we can all see that "Turkiye Elektronik
>Haber" is dream-teaming the Usenet world; no more wimpy feeds from places in
>the midwest or upper midwest (:-). Either we get the best or we don't.

And here's to the eternal "sipa".

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Welcome Back
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:52:51 GMT

(the song below is one of my favorite ones, from Emerson, Lake, 
and Palmer (th Liza Diamanth kai paparia re dike mou milame gia
Keith Emerson, Pateras twn Pateradwn)

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
we're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside
Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to take your mind apart!

You got to see the show! It's Rock and Roll!

(Imagine Keith Emerson with an array of keyboards here)

Details: The Mutlu/Cosar/Argic/KELLY/et.al. posting house is back
in full swing. I checked soc.culture.turkish and they had 150KB
of messages in a SINGLE day, all posted to no other groups except
soc.culture.turkish. 

Interestingly enough, they have saved all flamed stuff we posted 
during Mutley's absence (down to the comment I made about Greeks
not swimming and Americans not driving :-) and responded. 

Man, the Mother of All Feeds is back. I just hope my wife does not
go into labor this weekend so I can respond to all 150KB of messages.
(I don't know if the maternity ward has RJ11 phone jacks, I'll
have to borrow a laptop, yea, it's doable, allright!!!)

Well, Welcome back, dudes. 

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kayaalp@seas.smu.edu (Mehmet M. Kayaalp MD)
Subject: Re: Cumhuriyet Hafta's address???????
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:14:04 GMT

In article <6677@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> hkanb@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Kemal Anbarci) writes:
>I need the subscription information for Cumhuriyet Hafta,
>if you know the address or phone number please post in
>this newsgroup or send an e-mail to: 
>                                     hkanb@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com
>
>Tesekkurler.
>Kemal.
>
>Voice: (310) 694 - 9140

4300 42nd STREET, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20016-2126

1-800-966-6153

Abone kosullari
yillik $ 130.-
6 aylik $ 65.-


-- 
Mehmet M. Kayaalp, M.D.         phone  : (214)692-3095
Computer Science Department     voice  : (214)706-5982
Southern Methodist University   fax    : (214)692-3085
Dallas, Texas 75275-4191        E-mail : kayaalp@seas.smu.edu
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Leschiner the revisionist" and sheer racism: "Are Muslims jerks?"
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:55:35 GMT


In article <9209042150.AA12376@feds66.Prime.COM> dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner) writes:

>He would say Turks must be jerks, because they are Moslems. Would he be 
>right? Probably:-).

Most likely, Muslims would assess you, and if they thought you were just
a crazy looney or "moronian", you would probably be ignored, or hauled
off to jail for disturbing the "mehmetcik". In other words, if you were
to line up on one side of the earth every human being who ever lived
or ever will, and you took a good look at the whole motley crowd, you
wouldn't find anybody quite like you "les." 

Now wait, there's more.

As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that 
the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) 

        'leans toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]

At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish
population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.

In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' 

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall 
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)