HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:13:27 GMT

nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:

>In fairness to the misnagdim, however, they cannot be accused of
>peddling the heretical idea of a Rebbe who --like the Church--
>stands between man and God.  Hasidim have that field to themselves.

People should be under no illusion. Although, Norman Miller and I are
seemingly addressing the same issue, I emphatically do not share his
view that a Rebbe idea is heresy.

I believe that views such as Miller's which use the word `heresy' without
any substantive support are dangerous, divisive and to be viewed with 
contempt.

If Miller wishes to argue the point (and I am not a Chosid), let him begin
with some sources. I am ready.
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From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: deportation
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:18:21 GMT

cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>However there is a difference here.  In Kuwait, Palestinians were
>not kicked from their homeland.  In Israel, Palestinians were kicked
>from Gaza Strip and West Bank.

... To which the families of the vast majority were recent immigrants
from surrounding Arab lands, enticed by the economic rejuvenation
brought on the the Zionist influx they love to rail against.

It's likely that the families of thousands of those "Palestinians" who
were expelled from Kuwait came to Palestine from Kuwait in the first
place.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <3117@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>
>    Sure we are!  We don't wear symbolic gallows around our necks.
>    Yeesh, if Jesus had been around during the Holocaust, then
>    Christians would wear little gas cannisters instead.

Reminds me of a conversation that I overheard where a Jewish man
asked a Xian lady that if Jesus had been electrocuted if she
would wear an electric chair around her neck ...

Ekh ...

Anisa

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Subject: Re: Internet sites in Israel (answer-YES. ftp and telnet is possible).
From: OWEN@vms.bgu.ac.il (David Owen)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:58:55 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva Israel, BGU
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13

In <1992Dec16.230859.867@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> josh@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM writes:

> Are any of the sites in Israel actually on the Internet?
>
> (meaning, not just news/mail feeds, but actually able to telnet/ftp to)
>
> Thanks,
> Josh Mereminsky
> NCR Corporation - E&M San Diego
> josh.mereminsky@SanDiegoCA.ncr.com
>

Yes they are. (Mainly the Unis. but also some commercial site, like ilnet.).


Shlomo Zelkine,         E-mail:
3 Eilat St.
Afridar,                owen@bguvms.bgu.ac.il
Ashkelon,
Israel 78443            Shlomo.Zelkine@f4.n401.z2.fidonet.org

07-710286               zelkine@ilnet.net


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From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: Solomon Perel-"Europa, Europa"
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:02:22 GMT



Lenore Levine writes:

>I recently saw the very good movie, "Europa, Europa." This movie
>is based on the wartime experiences of Solomon Perel, a young German
>Jew who pretended to be German and a member of the Hitler Youth.
>
>My question is: His experiences, while they made a great movie,
>seemed too implausible to be true. Were they verified?


I agree, this was a very good movie.  At the end of the movie, we are told
Solomon Perel is living in Jerusalem...  I'm curious... whatever happened
to his brother?   If it was mentioned in the movie... I must have missed
it.  

--
       No nation can survive without pride in its traditions.
       Marlene J. Miller   aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israel's deportation of over 400 Palestinians
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:13:25 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <23097@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.185837.8548@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

>>  Since the Israeli Supreme court allowed it, you are an idiot if
>> you think it is illegal according to Israeli law.
>
>Mr. Makowsky, we all know you are the mother of all idiots -- but do you
>*have* to demonstrate it again and again?  For your information, the
>Israeli Supreme Court allowed the deportation to take place without
>ruling on its legality.  It set a date about a month from now for
>arguments on that issue.

Yigal do demonstrate again and again which type of a being he is.

The supreme court decision has a clear meaning : adeparture is a legal
action by itself.
Themilitary commander is aloud to kick some persons out.
 ( OR URGING THEM TO DO SO INSTEAD OF ENTERING A JAIL FOR THEIR
ACTIVITY IN , LET SAY , MARXIST UNDERGROUND GROUPS ... )
The supreme court decision do expressed also the obvious idea that,
the military commander should not kick a person out when there is no
reason to do so.
>
>Article 49 of the 1949 (Fourth) Geneva Convention on the Protection
>of War Victims states, among other things:
>
>  Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of
>  protected persons [i.e., inhabitants of occupied territory -- YA]
>  from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or
>  to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited
>  regardless of motive.
>
The geneva  conventionshould not be applied to Judea Samaria and
Gaza strip.
( Comment: the US never accept that convension ).

 Shalom    Gideon

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:05:20 GMT

In <1992Dec22.182458.2139@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

>Norman Miller has apparently set himself up as the Art Czar for the
>rest of us. The Menorah in Beverly Hills, which is what started this
>thread, is by the famous Israeli artist Agam, and though Norman
>is free not to like it, to make a general argument about vulgarity
>based on his own personal taste in art is just plain silly. Some
>of the most refined cultural arbiters and critics, who would be
>among the first to scream "vulgarity" think the Agam's work
>is worthy of hanging in major galleries around the world.

Well I used to live two blocks away from Mount Doom, I mean the Agam
water and fire sculpture in Kikar Dizengoff.  There isn't much that I
miss about Tel Aviv (I had better point out that I now live in
Jerusalem before someone who ought to know better assumes that I made
yerida), least of all that monstrosity.

But I would suggest that we each make our own cultural evaluations for
ourselves (whether or not the professional critics agree).  And that
the esthetic value of a given menorah is not the most important issue
in whether or not it should be lit in public ceremonies, or elsewhere
(this article does not discuss those other issues and should not be
construed as either supporting or opposing public lightings).
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:08:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.211721.24659@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>This country was founded with a belief in God.

False.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: cms@dragon.com (Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:21:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited

In article <1992Dec29.043019.3299@panix.com>, moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
> 
> Note that the things that Cindy Smith recommended in her post are as
> close to absolutely wrong as anything you'll ever find.  Cindy, though
> undoubtedly well intentioned, is an Episcopalian (a Christian).  Her
> knowledge of Kabbalah is very superficial and corrupted by her
> religion's extreme divergence from Judaism.

 I posted only what my teacher taught me.  Since you say the things my 
teacher taught me are absolutely wrong, can you please be 
specific so that I can tell my teacher why you say he is absolutely 
wrong?  I would like to discuss what you think is absolutely wrong 
with Rebbe Blumenthal.

> Len Moskowitz
> moskowit@panix.com

Cindy Smith
cms@dragon.com
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: The differences, again :-)  
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:49:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.192547.550@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>E.A. Halevi discusses God communicating to Moses in Hebrew. Why would
>God have to use any particular language, rather than speaking directly
>to Moses' brain, so to speak?
>
>Does "vayomer" necessarily have to mean via speech?

Hoom. Well, Moses's role was to convey God's instructions to the Jews.
He would have to do most of this verbally. So, while God wouldn't have
to communicate in words, it would make sense for Ke to do so, so Moses
would know what words to use. (i.e. "HaShem spoke to Moses, saying,
'Say this to the Bnei Yisrael...'")

On the other hand, this wouldn't apply to much of the "Oral Torah".
For example, as I recall, the canonical example of an Oral Torah
teaching is the procedure for ritual slaughter. The written Torah just
says something like "Slaughter an animal in the way I taught you." It
would make sense for God to drop the knowledge intact into Moses's
brain, giving him the aquired skills, reflexes, etc., directly; Moses
could then teach others the way any experienced shochet teaches a
student. 
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: SCJ HAS BEEN DECONTAMINATED!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.065852.24329@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.044821.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>>
>>No I don't agree
>>
>>Jesus
>
>Look, guys! He's back! Quick! Let's kill him again!

This is pretty funny. 
I nominate this joke for the funniest joke of the week!


>-- 
>Andrew Solovay    
>                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
>                 I am the freest woman in history."
>                                --- Camille Paglia

Thanks,
Dima
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:50:59 GMT

Maddi

	Re: Ted Kennedy jokes etc.

	Exactly one hour after I posted that message, a good friend of mine
who is a staunch Democrat handed me a list of Bill Clinton's "proposed 
cabinet appointments" it consisted of Ted Kennedy as Sec. Transportation, 
and Jane Fonda in charge of the Veterans Admin.  What can I tell you?

	Experience is what tells me that I made a mistake......AGAIN



				Seth

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From: Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
Subject: Synagogue Music
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:34:45 GMT

Gated by Kahl for YY Kazan yy@corner.wpb.fl.us
 
>From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
>Subject: Re: Synagogue MUSIC
 
>In article <1992Dec21.190540.20416@starbase.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@starbase
>(norman miller) writes:
>>[incorrect USENET reference omitted]
 
>>>I think the piyut is "Lcahi Olamim."  I believe the Lubavitch
>>>began using this tune to honor Napoleon, who, as he was sweeping
>>>through Europe, he was "good" toward the Jews.
 
>>A big maven I'm not, but I think you'll find that Lubavitch was
>>strongly _opposed_ to Napoleon.
 
>You are correct.  The Lubavitch view--ignoring any Russian nationalism--
>was that Napoleon's liberation was the first step in an assimilation
>campaign.
 
And therefore the Alter Rebbe took (adopted) the song and elevated
it from its materialism and advocacy of assimilation to a spiritual
level, thus destroying his (Napolean's) victory.
 
As far the Hoadert... Lchai Olamim... which is sung to the French tune
of the Marseillese, this was adopted by the Rebbe Shlita (the current
Rebbe) a number of years ago.
 
--- 
 * Origin: WORLDS LARGEST strictly JEWISH BBS - (718) 756-7201 (1:278/610)
 
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From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:32:23 GMT

In article <RL7gwB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
>> >>Barry Manilow
>> >>Barbra Streisand
>> >>Neil Diamond
>> >>Danny Elfman (drummer, Oingo Boingo)
>> Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman (The Turtles, Flo and Eddie)
>> Dick Dale (60's surf guitarist)
>> Max Weinberg (drummer for the E Street Band)
>> Rachel Sweet
>> Phil Spector (producer of the Ronettes, Righteous Brothers et al...)
>Billy Joel

Hey! Wait a second! Doesn't Bill Graham, rock-n-roll promoter to three
generations, rate *TOP* billing? Not only was he Jewish, but he rates
an "extra (yellow) star" for being a Holocaust survivor!!
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Urgent Appeal-Jerusalem Rabbi Mistakenly Arrested!
Date: 25 Dec 92 17:18:00 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:

> In article <34448@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> dmoore@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Daniel B Moore
> >
> >A well respected Rabbi from Jerusalem has 
> >been arrested along with his brother recently 
> >in California. Because the charges are 
> >ridiculous, many important figures are helping 
> >to gain their release, such as Senator Arlen 
> >Specter of Pennsylvania, the Simon Wiesenthal 
> >Center, Alan Dershowitz, Lincoln Square 
> >Synagogue, the Lubavicher Rebbe and Rabbi 
> >Shlomo Riskin. Due to a series of mistakes, 
> >such as the Israeli Consulate writing that the 
> >Rabbi's brother has a criminal record, their bail 
> >has been set at an unattainable $750,000 each. 
> >As a result they have been in jail for the past 
> >two weeks. At this point their hope is through 
> >legal means. Each needs $60,000 in lawyer's 
> >fees by this Monday (December 21). Although 
> >this Rabbi has five children and not much money, 
> >an urgent appeal has gone out by people who 
> >know him, such as myself, and has so far raised 
> >$80-90,000. If you have the ability to contribute 
> >to this Rabbi who has dedicated his life to the 
> >mitzva of helping Jews in need, call me for more
> >information-(212) 260-3978. The money that 
> >you pledge will be layed out in advance of its 
> >receipt because it needs to be wired this Monday. 
> >Tizku l'mitzvot!
> > 
> >--Douglas B. Moore 
> >New York, New York 
> >
> >
> 
> I assume you are referring to the Wasserman case and the Feld brothers. . .
> I know only what I read in the newspapers locally, but it definitely does not
> reflect the state of affairs you cite above.  I would urge readers of the 
> above to invest some time in finding out more about the case before 
> contributing money to this cause.  
> 
> 			. . .Alexandra


Anyone who has remained in jail for two weeks has already been
arraigned at a hearing and the fact that he/they is STILL in
jail indicates that there was probable cause to hold the person
for trial.  The high bail is an indicator of both the seriousness
of the offense as well as the strength of the evidence against
the accused.  The fact that this person is a rabbi is irrelevant,
and can only have been included to generate sympathy.  I find
this whole thing entirely suspicious-- and the fact that you
ask for money is entirely too obvious.

I'll pass on this one.  For those interested, a new book will
be coming out on this case, called "Thursday the Rabbi Danced
for the Inmate With the Most Cigarettes."
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From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 04:41:01 GMT

Anyone else remember "The Assimilated Jews' Christmas Album"
(phoney) advertisement on Saturday Night Live a number of
years ago?  It featured an actor imitating Henry Kissinger,
hawking an album of hits such as:

"I saw mommy kissing Judah Maccabee, under the Chanukah bush"

"Joy to the world, our savior hasn't come.  But we are still a-waiting..."

and other gems whose titles I've long since forgotten.

Rob


--
Robert A. Levene     Internet: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu
  "/  //  / /"         Bitnet:   RXL1@APLVM
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From: sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)
Subject: Re: FYI:  Re: Calcium vs. Iron
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
	<RINGO.92Dec10143329@grand-cayman.icad.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:39:16 GMT


In article <RINGO.92Dec10143329@grand-cayman.icad.com> ringo@icad.com (Amy Gorin) writes:

> Forwarded from sci.med.nutrition to soc.culture.jewish (yow):
> 
>   > (From _Vegetarian_Times_, May 1991)
> 
>   > "The Calcium-Iron Showdown
> 
>   > "...Two new studies show that consuming calcium-containing foods or
>   > supplements with iron-containing foods or supplements can spell doom for
>   > iron absorption.  The first study, done in Sweden, showed that fortifying
>   > bread with calcium or eating meat with dairy products could block iron
>   > absorption by as much as 60 percent.  The second study, done at the 
>   > University of Kansas Medical Center in Kansas City, found that when iron
>   > was taken with most calcium supplements, iron absorption was also reduced, 
>   > sometimes dramatically.

It is well known that antacids can block iron absorption.  Is this due
to the fact that many common antacids (e.g. Tums) are rich in calcium,
or is it because the normal acidity of the stomach is needed for iron
absorption?  



--
Steven Litvintchouk
MITRE Corporation
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Bedford, MA  01730

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From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Latkes
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:06:30 GMT

In <765342d4410539t216@witsend.uucp> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
|  First night I was at an affair with latkes, applesauce, sour cream,
|  and (get this!) salsa and guacamole.  I had to try it...

|  Now, how many of you are daring enough to try it?  How many (Warren!)
|  can find a halachic objection to mixing hard-core Ashkenazic latkes
|  with trans-Sephardic goo?

Actually I like the idea of something spicy on latkes.  Or maybe bits
of hot peppers in cornmeal latkes...
-- 
/|/-\/-\      
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:30:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) says:

>
>Sorry, the best bit of grafitti definitely has to be
>
>"Absolute Zero is OK"
>
Remember, this is supposed to be JEWISH humor.

Paul 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: deportation
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:53:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1hkg24INN3qp
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Free Software Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec27.044855.11537@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>It's so amazing--hypocritical is more like it--that you stood silently
>by while hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs got kicked out of
>Kuwait for no reason other than they were considered Palestinian Arabs
>rather than Kuwaiti Arabs (so much for the great Arab nation!), and
>then get all bent out of shape when Israel temporarily deports a
>couple of hundred terrorists.
>
>Great double standard there.  Mazel tov.

It does not seem at all hypocrital to me; or all that amazing.  If you
ask the Palestinians who were deported from Kuwait where their
national homeland is, they will say that it is the area that many Jews
call Judea and Samaria, etc.  If you ask the Palestinians who were
expelled only recently for being accused of being Hamas members where
their homes are, they will give the same answer.  In one case, the
Palestinians were deported from a country that they were not citizens
of.  In the other case, they were deported from their ancestral
homeland.

While it was not nice of the Kuwaits to kick out the Palestinians they
were within their rights to do so.  The same does not apply to the
Israeli government.  You might have a different world view about who
belongs where, but not everyone shares it, and your accusations of
hypocrisy are incorrect.

Basalat Ali Raja.

PS: Note followups.
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