From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: Brady Bill squashed and other news
Keywords: Brady, Good riddance
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:28:53 GMT

In article <PA142548.343.718469565@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.221840.22474@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:
>>I'm really going to enjoy posting the summary of how the vote went, BY
>>PARTY AFFILIATION.  Any Libertarian demagogues out there who want to put
>>their money where their mouth is and bet me whether there is a significant
>>difference between the two parties on this one?
>
>Have fun.  I'm no demagogue, but the Republicans are as much the enemy as 
>the democrats, and from my perspective, there is no practical difference.  
>Both want to tax away my income, they just disagree with each other on how 
>to spend the booty from the extortion process.  Both parties are willing to 
>dis-assemble my civil liberties as protected under the Second Amendment, teh 
>democrats, eagerly, the republicans, as a lever to pry away at my OTHER 
>civil liberties.

Well, you know how to spout the Libertarian party line, but it is all
unsupported assertion.

Perhaps you were not a subscriber when I issued my challenge a few weeks
ago on this subject. I asked for a recorded vote on gun control (not a
rider on some huge bill) that would reveal the attitudes of the members of
Congress from each party on this issue, and would show no significant
difference between the parties.  No one has produced such an example. (I
limited it to Congress to get a good statistical sample from both parties,
and to emphasize my point that the strong need on November 3 is to get the
Democrats out of control of Congress.)

People have made several irrelevant comments, but they have failed to
produce an example.

I noted that it is perfectly acceptable to me for a Libertarian to say that
he disagrees with Democrats on some issues, Republicans on others, and votes
Libertarian as a result.  I just challenged the Libertarian demagogues to
back up the claim, posted on this newsgroup many times, that there is no
difference between the parties on the single issue of gun control.

The usual response is to change the subject and start talking about spending
and deficits and so on.  As you are willing to spout the Libertarian
demagoguery about gun control, prehaps you can provide an example that
satisfies my criteria: From the last 20 years, a vote in Congress limited
to some gun control issue, which shows no significant difference between
Democrats and Republicans.

After stating that Republicans are attacking your 2nd Amendment rights so they
can get a lever against your other liberties, surely you can put up or shut
up.

>-=-=-
>T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
>University of Tennessee
>"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
>-=-=-

"Spout the Libertarian party line --- it's easier than thinking."

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