HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Cnews seems to be creating dups
Date: 22 Dec 1992 10:20:06 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <Bzn0Gp.266@optimla.aimla.com> walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt) writes:

>	I seem to have a problem with Cnews handling multiple feeds. We are in
>the process of transitioning to a new news server, and are currently getting fed
>from two different sources. Cnews has code in it to drop duplicate articles, but
>it apparently doesn't work most of the time for us. The vast majority of
>articles we get from both feeds are created twice, with the exact same
>Message-ID. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could track this down and
>fix it?

Sounds like:

----------------------------------------- generic symptom START
If your active file contains:

alt.fan.warlord 0000010291 09190 y
alt.flame.gigantic.sigs 0000000223 00224 =alt.fan.warlord

and someone crossposts to alt.fan.warlord,alt.flame.gigantic.sigs the
message will appear twice, in alt.fan.warlord.  Good newsreaders will
still only show you the message once.  This is a low-priority problem
and someday code will be added to C news to fix it... but don't hold
your breath.

----------------------------------------- generic symptom END

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)

Unix is a trademark of, WHATT????
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield)
Subject: C-news header errors. Help pls.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: news
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:15:55 GMT

Hi,

I have just established a news feed with UUNET and everything is going well,
except ONE little thing:  We can't post due to 'invalid' headers.  Here's
my config:

	C-news connection with UUNET.  Batching working well.  All incoming
	news looks fine.

	NNTP for inhouse distribution of hews from the new host.  Connection
	to C-news directory structure works well.

	Readers offered: GNUS (in emacs, using local nnspool rather than
        NNTP connection to news spool), Trumpet (DOS based NNTP reader)

The problem is that none of these readers can post with the proper header.
The posting in TRUMPET is shut down immediately, in GNUS the post appears
to succeed, but then the newsmaster (me) gets a message that the posting
failed.  I also tried the postnews program that arrives with C-news and
it also created an 'invalid header'.  I must be missing something fundamental
here.  Sorry for such a basic question.

A second question.  How do I establish a moderator for a local moderated
group?  How does the moderator post into the group?  This is of much less
importance.

Please respond via e-mail, as I can't post back via the newsgroup very
well.  Thank you for any help in advance.

Dean Banfield
dean@rdcalr.realdec.com   (also newsmaster@unix1.realdec.com)

My signature file from 'The World' is my private account.  Any e-mail
is forwarded into the above address.  Thanks.
-- 
Dean S. Banfield			Voice: (203) 656-1500
Real Decisions Corporation		FAX  : (203) 656-1659
22 Thorndal Circle			email: dean@world.std.com
Darien, CT 06820
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: cmsg newgroup alt.graphics
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:34:40 GMT
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In <1992Dec19.164103.24777@netcom.com> "jef@netcom.com (Jef Puskanzer)" writes:


>This is a completely automated posting, created by
>a mindless urge for vengeance.


>---
>Jef

>           Jef Puskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
>"Drawing on my faint command of language, I said nothing." -- Mark Twain

At least Becker's being honest.
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
My interaction with our news system is unstable; please mail anything important.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley)
Subject: yes, I can post to a group not in my active file
Organization: This space for rent.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:30:19 GMT

In article <1917@frackit.UUCP> dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
>Jan, Jan, Jan. On the 2 sites I adminster you can't post to a group
>unless it appears in the /usr/lib/news/active file. If you try it winds
>up junked with nothing posted to ANY group. 
>
>Free hint: not all news posting software acts the same. 

My post had three points to make to *Jay*
1) there ARE solutions to his newsreading desires
2) same old arguments after the vote failed == sour grapes
3) sour grapes are NOT solutions

Jay got my points, without being too offended, I think.

Now, to the subject line...  and all of you fascist net police
boys out there (and you know who you are) who filled my mailbox
with flames the last time I said this, just hit that "n" key now
because I am going to say it again...

Yes, Virginia, I can post to a group that is not in my active file.

There is no alt.foo newsgroup in my active file.  I just posted an
article to alt.foo.  The article was spooled to junk, and is listed
in the togo files, waiting for sendbatches to run.  This is on single
system site using C news, 22-Dec-1991.  Your mileage may vary.

From relaynews.8:

   Articles which contain no locally-known (to the active file)
   newsgroups yet accepted by the local subscription list are filed
   exactly once, in the junk pseudo-group, and forwarded as usual.
-- 
Jan Isley  jan@bagend.atl.ga.us  gatech.edu!bagend!jan  (404)434-1335
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Non-compliant articles, week ending 27 December 92
Organization: Fascist Net Police, precinct 19297
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:44:05 GMT

                Invalid Headers, week ending 27 December 92

    The following is a list of articles which were dropped by the news 
    software here for a non-compliant header.  If a message ID from your 
    site is on this list then your news software may be out of compliance 
    with the RFCs on netnews articles and should be fixed.

Header contains non-header line:
	<1992Dec23.231057.6143@genie.slhs.udel.edu> `Keywords:standards'
	<1992Dec21.161454.1799@eng.ufl.edu> `...'
	<1992Dec22.141210.7808@eng.ufl.edu> `Keywords:implied rape '
	<102701@netnews.upenn.edu> `Keywords:'
	<102801@netnews.upenn.edu> `Distribution:world'

Unapproved article in moderated group:
	<2933978861.0.p00140@psilink.com> `info.firearms'
	<1hi4i3INNc7l@agate.berkeley.edu>
		`biz.sco.announce,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.xenix.sco'
	<2o#@byu.edu> `info.ietf'
	<4o#@byu.edu> `info.ietf'
	<5o#@byu.edu> `info.ietf'
	<6o#@byu.edu> `info.ietf'
	<1h6infINNdbj@calvin.NYU.EDU> `info.ph'

Newsgroup list contains white space:
	<1992Dec21.211145.23939@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
		`rec.games.video, rec.games.video.arcade'
	<1992Dec23.155759.13615@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
		`rec.games.video, rec.games.video.arcade'

No @ in Message ID:
	<0e062001> 

No From: header:
	<1992Dec23.224441.29586@news.acns.nwu.edu> 

No Date or unparsable Date:
	<01GSLL7AQ9008WWRKX@VzdmzA.ZDV.Uni-Mainz.DE>
		`Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:57 GMT +0100'
	<9212221744.AA23135@naic.edu> `Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:44:49-040'
	<telecom12.916.11@eecs.nwu.edu> `Fri, 25 Dec 1992 7:32 pm'
	<mah.153@eng.ufl.edu> `<mah.153@eng.ufl.edu>'
	<1h775rINNntj@uwm.edu> `Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:59-0500'
From: cn795@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian R. Gaeke)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Looking for newsfeed--Middletown,OH
Date: 2 Jan 1993 02:07:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn795@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian R. Gaeke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking for a USENET feed (partial, maybe only a few groups at first)
I am in Middletown, OH. Please email to me or post here...

aTdHvAaNnKcSe
Brian Gaeke -- brg@dgate.org
-- 
Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate, Inc.
Internet: cn795@hela.ins.cwru.edu  preferred: brg@dgate.org
Xref: sparky news.admin.misc:926 alt.fan.john-palmer:468
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: Re: newgroup comp.society.folklore
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:24:51 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) writes:

> In article <rdippold.724562390@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dipp
> >It's the eternal question with Palmer / Tygra / Michigan.com: pathetic
> >moron or deranged vandal?
> 
> No question.  He's both.
> 
> Now that Cnews and INN both support configurable control handling,
> maybe the default file distributed should use tygra as an example for
> not acting on anything sent from that site.

along with any control messages with ..!becker!feline...in the path.
Bruce's attitude is annoying, but his forging messages in other people's
names is inexcusable.



Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: jbryans@csulb.edu (Jack Bryans)
Subject: Re: New group info?
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:22:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.224233.21232@ntg.com> mboom@ntg.com (Mike Boom) writes:
> There's been some discussion in various newsgroups about forming a new
> newsgroup for mycology.

I haven't seen a mushrooming interest in this topic.  Perhaps bionet.plants
might provide a fungible alternative.

Jack
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Subject: Re: C news seems to be creating dups
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:28:33 GMT

In article <BzooJF.IE8@world.std.com>, geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
|> Walter Hunt:
|> >	Well, that's all fine and good, but it is NOT the problem I'm having.
|> 
|> I didn't say it was.
|> 
|> >This is multiple copies of the same article with the same Message-ID, not
|> >crossposted, and all having in common the fact that they are in the heirarchies
|> >I currently get from both newsfeeds.
|> 
|> Something is broken, probably your history file or its indices.  (Have
|> you looked in errlog and the usenet mail box?)  The brute force approach
|> to fixing history and its indices is to run mkhistory; you might first
|> want to try just rebuilding the dbz files by running locknews as the
|> "news" userid and then running "cd /usr/lib/news; dbz history".
|> 
|> (If you're on a 386, make absolutely certain that dbz.c got compiled
|> *without* -O.)
|> -- 
|> Geoff Collyer				world!geoff, world.std.com!geoff
|> 
|> ``People don't need to read the standards'' - head of the ISO computer group


	Okay, now that you've pointed some places to check:

	1. I run expires by doing "doexpire -s -r ; mkhistory"; this seems to
have lower disk overhead, and I am REALLY cramped for space. The side effect of
this is that (I believe) any problem with the history file should disappear as
soon as the next expire is run. Anything I'm missing here?

	2. Running dbz results in an error: 

/usr/local/bin/cnews/dbz: (file `history', line 809) `....' already present 

	I guess this means that when dups get created and put in the history
file, it will hose dbz. I would also guess that mkhistory wouldn't necessarily
catch this. Any chance putting a "| uniq" in the mkhistory pipeline might clear
this up?

	3. No mail messages are sent to "usenet". No messages are logged to the
error log. 

	My current guess would be that somehow a dup got created, (perhaps
between expire and mkhistory?) and that ever since, the news system has been
unable to create a valid history file. Does this sound possible? I'm going to
try running uniq on the history file, and creating new dbz files from that and
see what happens.


-- 
Walter Hunt					walter@optimla.optimage.com
OptImage Interactive Services Company, L.P.	walter@optimla.aimla.com
11040 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite #300		netcom!optimla!walter
Los Angeles, Ca. 90025				(310) 445-5718
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: mam@mamunx.garmhausen.de (Michael A Meiszl)
Subject: Re: Newjunk, automatically create newsgroups from junk V2.0 (Part 1/1)
Organization: Public Access Mailbox
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:11:09 GMT

In <1hs2e4INNfrs@apache.dtcc.edu> weave@apache.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:

>One way is to run script, then telnet to the NNTP port of your neighbour and
>issue a LIST command. (Don't do this at 2400 bps!)

[five minutes of severe laugh attacks, 4 minutes of smoking to calm down]

>Another way is to point a remote rn to a site that allows you to poke at
>their NNTP server and after it starts up, suspend it and scarf the active
>file copy out of /tmp (Of course, rename your .newsrc file before doing
>this since article #s at the other site will be different)

What was the last day, you've read news via uucp???

Sorry, but I'm in Germany. This is a public system with no user fees. How
could I ever get connected without spending more than half of my income
to the post office and the net provider???

The only thing, the remote nntp would tell me is something like:

	"Service not available, insert coin"

The company pays for mail (which is also not affordable in us terms), news
is fully ran on privat bills.

I've once calculated that 1k of mail (incoming or outgoing, we are paying
for both) cost about 1,15 DM (which is about 76 cents, not including
provider fees for the base service. Count that up and rethink...

{no, I don't want to start a "sponsor germany" discussion, it's just a fact}

Phone costs are enourmously high here too. One is forced to use the fastest
equipment he can afford to cut them down. Since all calls are LD too, I
had to invest in modems about twice a year. The slowest line I have now
is run by a worldblazer, the fastest is a ISDN card.

As you might see, your clues are totally unacceptable...

	MaM
-- 
** Michael Andreas Meiszl | Tomsonstr 25 | 4700 Hamm 1 | Tel +49 2381 980131 **
From: mboom@ntg.com (Mike Boom)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: New group info?
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:42:33 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

There's been some discussion in various newsgroups about forming a new
newsgroup for mycology.  I'd like to form the group, but have no
experience in the process.  Is there a FAQ file or any other set of
guidelines that would walk me through the process?  I'd appreciate
any pointers to appropriate text or any email with advice.

Thanks,

Mike Boom
Toxic Screen Dumps, Inc., a non-subsidiary of the New Technologies Group
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Global killfiles (was Re: contacting anatolia.mn.org)
    <scs.725743351@hela.iti.org> <1278@zogwarg.etl.army.mil>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:18:06 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey) writes:

>>>ME/zuma/becker:comp,news,etc\all:F:

That's actually a (mangled form of a) newsfeed control line entry.
A typical entry looks like this:

	foo/bar:comp,news,etc/all:F:

Which will feed articles to foo unless they had come from foo, or had
passed through bar on their way to you.  He's lamenting that C news
doesn't take the same syntax for the line controlling what groups
the local site takes, so you could tell it to drop articles that had
passed through becker or zuma.  News looks for these sites in the
FYI, "feline" is the one site that appears in all beckergrams, not
"becker".
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                            kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                       +1 606 257 2975
Dept. of Mathematics "Your ball goes over them, it sails off the edge into a
huge cauldren of fire-breathing dragons."  "And they call this a par three?"
From: megazone@mediaone.freeside.com (Megazoner D. Ikonoclas)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: an idea
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:30:40 GMT
Organization: Media One Studios


 If this Serdar Argic is in fact an automated poster, how about just set 
forth an automated misspeller? If it grabs keywords, it won't pick up on 
Armnian, or Torkish...


 Waste Bandwidth! Leave a SerdarGram in YOUR sig! :)

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Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation guidelines (was Re: Folklore, synth, and guidelines)
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
	<EMCGUIRE.92Dec22053832@fuller.intellection.com>
	<1992Dec22.194946.54964@watson.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.194946.54964@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:

   But I still think that folks who didn't believe rms "logically"
   belonged with rmm* were more likely to miss reading this ballot
   than folks who did.

So do I.  And we can address that without imposing an arbitrary
restriction on rename ballots.  All that is needed is different
subject lines for the same ballot, or preferably in my opinion,
subsidiary announcements with good subject lines which point to the
single ballot.  Most times, the partisans do a fine job of
spotlighting a troublesome proposal.  A formal requirement that the
vote taker take some responsibility for announcing the vote clearly to
all affected parties seems like a simple safety net to avoid *.synth
like debacles in the future.

   I've been posting and voting here for about 2 years now.

   I think an extra ballot or two every couple of years is well worth
   the price of avoiding the kind of situation which we encountered
   with rms.

I sympathize.  I'm only suggesting an alternate which gives us the
subject line clarity which is your goal without making life more
difficult for the reorganizers and the voters.  I hope you are
soliciting feedback from the people who ran renames in the past which
your proposal would have split.

Besides.  Within another two years, the net as we know it will be
dead.  You hear it all the time.
-- 
Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780
Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>

Raise Usenet quality.  Read news.announce.newgroups and vote.
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,soc.culture.turkish
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Rules on auto-reply posting?
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:48:40 GMT

[This is actually just a message to try to see what "Sedar Argic" is. I'm
 reposting it because I suspect that "Argic" does not "read"
 news.admin.policy, so I'm posting this to soc.culture.turkish as well.]

Random gibberish exploding in the faces of Armenians causes Nazis to post
with auto-reply software. Were I a Nazi, I would nuke all Azerbis with sugar
and a cherry on top, in line with my role as a whipped-cream using lying
revisionist. Tempting AIs into posting is a fruitbat-laden experiment which
an unsophisticated Ardic refuses despite offers of a night on a lily-strewn
beach. Rape and torture are commonplace when staplers gather beneath the
full moon to snort baleen through vile apostrophes. Acts of genocide and
total racial extermination soon follow if the leader does not pin the tail
on the Don Quixote. Windmills are elusive, but eliza knows all. YOW!
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Still not addressing the original points made, asshole
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:53:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.013640.23254@klaava.Helsinki.FI> wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
>sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>>Don't bother. The issue here is not my title. It is your total 
>>irrelevance, and insistence on not understanding what the other 
>>person is saying. Of course, I will agree that it is always easier 
>>to insult the person, rather than address their points, but it 
>>starts getting boring really fast.
>
>Hey, I know what this is all about!  Our little wonder-program that knows
>how to crosspost and redirect followups (yup, it did it again:
>crossposted all over the place and folloups to soc.culture.turkey) IS
>TALKING TO HIMSELF!
>
>Just look at it!  Every single point it makes above exactly matches
>itself.
>
>Serdar Argic, the schizophrenic AI program that talks with itself.

I think the term to use rather than `talks' is `masturbates', ie SA is,
I would suggest, getting off on all this discussion in rather the same
way that a young child gets off on bowel control or a someone rather
older gets off masturbating over a dirty mag.

Cheap, ladies and gentlemen.

Damon
-- 
Damon Hart-Davis                          Internet: dhd@exnet.co.uk, d@hd.org

Public-access UNIX (Suns), news and mail for UK#5 per month.  FIRST MONTH FREE.
[1.35] Cheap Sun eqpt.  UUCP news/mail feeds.  Tel/Fax: +44 81 755 0077.
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Canceling other people's postings
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:42:16 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

I regularly cancel articles that are damaged or the result of gateway
spews - things like 'undeliverable mail' that somehow got posted.

The only time that generates complaints is when I *don't* do it.
	- Brian
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: A R G I C allows itself far too much
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:56:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec24.132250.12357@refrig.dixie.com>, todd@refrig.dixie.com (Todd H.) writes:
>pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>
>>4. There is no mail link back to Argiq, so it gets nothing that it deserves.
>
>I've been watching everyone wail and moan about this trouble for a long time
>now, and I can't believe that y'all haven't hit upon the obvious solution to
>the 'no mail link' problem.
>
>Just move down the path until you get a real system, and hit the postmaster
>with your mail.  If he's not the one responsible for passing the trash along,
>he'll certainly find out who is, and let you know once he begins receiving
>the ire that the real culprit deserves.
>

Well, it turns out that at the level of infamous Anatolia POTZ_Master there
is a gizmo that forwards all mail to /dev/null. 
-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy