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From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Banzai and the Watermelon
Summary: W. D. Richter says...
Keywords: Banzai, watermelon
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:40:20 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Banzai Institute

Looks like it's time to repost the director's words on this one (do we have
a FAQ list in here?).

W.D. Richter says:

I can only imagine Buckaroo trying to grapple with this question.  When
cornered (as I feel now), the great man often quotes H.L. Mencken's nasty
remark about how every complex question always has a simple answer... that
is usually wrong.  But it *is* high time poor New Jersey's honest inquiry
be answered.  Let me rephrase the question first one way, then another.

"Why is a watermelon trapped between those monstrous pressure plates deep
within the Institute's Critical Stress Laboratory?"  Team Banzai botanical
agronomists have been for years hard at work on the problem of hunger in
Third World countries under constant revolutionary turmoil.  A non-political,
humanitarian effort, their goal has been to find ways to feed starving peoples
in remote areas where traditional food delivery systems prove woefully
inadequate.  Often the only way to get the nourishment into the bellies of
the needy is to hit and run, avoiding all petty ideological side-taking.
What you see in the Critical Stress lab is a revolutionary watermelon
capable of withstanding impact pressures of 300,000 pounds per square inch!
Sweet, juicy and vitamin-packed, this remarkable fruit can be dropped from
the bomb bays of low-flying aircraft into the backyards of disenfranchised
villagers in the remotest backwaters on this angry planet.  Just another
Team Banzai effort to cut through all the unnecessary crap around us and
help people help themselves.  Look for high-impact, low-cholesterol eggs
next... and sooner than you think, shatter-proof whole-wheat taco shells.

Rephrasing Number Two: "Why is there a watermelon in the movie at that
particularly tense moment?  Doesn't it clutter the narrative flow?"
Absolutely it does, in answer to part two of your question.  But isn't life
full of things that get in the way?  Those of us making the movie that day
felt under particularly severe pressure from forces who would rather we'd
all just stayed in bed.  Not much of what we were doing *didn't* clutter the
movie.  With a mountain rushing up in our faces, was there any point in
putting on the brakes?  Would *Buckaroo* put on the brakes?  Would a
watermelon in the midst of a chase sequence not be, in its own organic way,
emblematic of our entire misunderstood enterprise?  At once totally logical
and perfectly irrational?  Exactly.  We knew it would confound and upset
certain authoritarian types.  So we did it.  And it worked.

	W.D. Richter

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From: moore7004@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Batman vs. your mother
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:11:00 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I guess the ultimate battle would be all the people who like x vs. x debates
having to share a newsgroup with all the people who like cascading.  (If it
ain't one thing, it's another....)

Scotto the umm...errr...
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From: ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Could Batman beat the T-1000?
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 00:09:48 GMT

|     Could Batman beat the T-1000? Certainly in hand to hand combat Batman
| would be in trouble. But using his gadgets and weapons and his computers
| to perhaps figure out some weakness in the T-1000...perhaps he could beat
| the liquid metal monster!
| 
|    Batman vs. the T-1000....who would win??

Who would win?  I'd say the loony-bin that you're going to end up in if you
keep asking questions like that! :-)

Who would win:  Charles Manson or Bugs Bunny?
Who would win:  Jerry Brown or Papa Smurf?

Ob. sci-fi:
Who would win:  Darth Vader or the alien guy in the Bugs Bunny cartoons?

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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:27:14 GMT

jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne) writes:

>It is also mentioned in the first movie, I believe, that the time travel
>machine was destroyed after Reese came through it.  So another one must
>have been built that would allow non-organic material through it???

Reese has no proof that the machine was destroyed.  And before you
mention the displacement sphere, remember the budget, and that Reese
appeared above ground and fell when he arrived.  (I don't have a tape,
so I can't say anything about the T-800's (dammit!) arrival in T1.)

>jess%miracle@merk.com

And if one was so built, why didn't they send weapons or clothes along
with the second T-800 (dammit!), if things that are "dead" can go?

In short, I wish people would just read the fucking book before asking
stupid questions, since it answers them and is the closest thing to
official that you can get, apart from opening a portal to that
alternative Universe known as the Terminator history.

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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Wars Series
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:00:18 GMT
 <1992Apr16.233207.2848@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <1992Apr16.233207.2848@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, jogle@nrao.edu (Jim Ogle
(Ks. Jim)) says:
>
>So has anyone got the Star Wars newsgroup at their site yet?  Wasn't it
>supposed to be 'officialized' sometime last week?  (I haven't seen it yet.)
>
>---
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>jogle@nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
>"I'd be apathetic if I cared."

Got it here!

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From: rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan A. Noguchi)
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:39:26 GMT

By the way, does anyone know if there is any "extra" footage on the T2
laser disc that did not appear in the movie or on the video?  I remember
the Aliens laser disc had a fair amount of material that I *know* was
not in the video release and which I don't *remember* from the movie.
Perhaps some of the subtle points which appear in the novelization of
T2 but not in the movie version can be found in the laser disc...judging 
from the novelization, quite a lot of good material was cut from the
movie, leaving us with some pretty big gaps in continuity and context...

 
- Ryan Noguchi                       rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
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From: mscs057@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:25:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Apr8.202530.1687
Organization: Mankato State University

You people don't even know what you are talking about. I have seen both movies
at least 20 times. In the first, Reese said that they would destroy the time
traveling machine after he went through but he does not know if it was
successful. Arnold was the Cyberdyne System 101!!!!!

In the second, Arnold said that it can assum living forms but can not assum
mechanical for it is a living form.

Uncle Bob - Cyberdyne System 101.
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Stephen Daniel Tilson)
Subject: Re: WakeUpCall from the Real World!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:26:53 GMT

ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu  writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.012233.4970@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
> 
> | 
> |      This is quite possibly the stupidest thread I have ever
> |      seen on this, or any other, newsgroup, and that's saying
> |      something.    
> | 
> | 
> |           ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
> |                      Common Phrases Heard at
> |                      RR Diner #32.
> | 
> |           ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
> 
> This is quite possibly the stupidest post I have ever
> seen on this, or any other, newsgroup and that's saying
> something.
> 
> 		[though I have no idea what]
> 
> 	^That Show's Dead!^
> 		Common Phrases Heard on
> 		The Street #1.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu						andy
> 
This has got to be the dumbest follow-up to a dumb follow-up to
a dumb post that I've ever written.

Steve
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the risk successfully until no enemies are left: and then you will become
your own enemy, that the proud battle may go on: all others conquered,
there will remain only yourself to be conquered...(Carlos Fuentes)
From: pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T-1000 vs. ???
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:52:35 GMT
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <92103.181136JMH131@psuvm.psu.edu> JMH131@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> OK, people.  This is getting ridiculous

Yes, I agree and here is some more:

The Emperor (Star Wars) vs. Yoda ?
The Thing (Carpenter's) vs. T-1000 ?
Robocop vs. original Terminator ? (can't remember the model number)
Jaws vs. Piranhas ?
Sylvester Stallone vs. Arnold Shwarzenegger ?
(or Rambo vs. Conan The Barbarian ?)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart vs. Ludwig van Beethoven ?
Norman Bates vs. Norman Bates ?
Croucho Marx vs. Carl Marx ? (not brothers)
George Bush vs. Saddam Hussein ?
Carrie vs. Michael Ironside (in Scanners) ?
Christine vs. KITT ?
Dalton Trumbo vs. the committee of "the black list" ?
Cujo vs. The White Dog (in Samuell Fuller's film) ?
The talking bomb (in Dark Star) vs. HAL ?
Jeremy Irons (in Dead Ringers) vs. Jeremy Irons (in Dead Ringers) ?
Dirty Harry vs. Clarence Bodegger (in Robocop) ?
Jim Morrison vs. Val Kilmer ?
Driller Killer vs. Toolbox Murder ?
The Elephant Man vs. Incredible Invisible Man ?
Gremlins vs. Critters ?
Henry (in Portrait of a Serial Killer) vs. Charlie Manson ?
Highlander vs. Luke Skywalker ?
Saddam Hussein vs. Adolf Hitler ?
Darth Vader vs. Dracula ?
The (D)evil vs. The G(o)od ?
Razorback vs. The Simpsons ?
The Death Star vs. The Earth ?
Starman vs. E.T.
THX 1138 vs. The Skynet ?
Tootsie vs. Bo Derek ?
Vangelis vs. All the fans of original Blade Runner soundtrack ?
Linda Blair vs. Damien ?
Gandhi vs. Jesus Christ ?
.
.
.
.
.
From: s314262@CS.UQ.OZ.AU (Dylan Tusler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re:  SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #162
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:18:37 GMT

The Rocky Horror Show is playing in amateur theatre in Australia
in late April/ early May this year.  If anyone in Brisbane or
other states who is prepared to travel would like information,
concerning times, dates, prices (which are low, very low) AND IS
interested in attending, please mail me (DYLAN) at address in header.

Dylan.
e-mail: s314262@cs.uq.oz.au on INTERNET.
From: twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme from 2001: A Space Odyssey
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:27:54 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

From article <twilson.702666555@cunews>, by twilson@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Wilson):
> Now, I thought it was The Berliner Philharmoniker doing the opening to
> Also Sprach Zarathustra , but conducted by Karl Bohm, not von Karajan,
> although the Blue Danube was done by von Karajan.

True enough if you want the actual sound track, however the soundtrack
was recorded in the '60's (or thereabouts), whereas I was recommending
a pair of more recent recordings on DG that sound MUCH better.  Both
are by von Karajan.

--twc@legal.uucp
From: rdominy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert Dominy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:39:51 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <9204152029.AA02314@email.ncsc.navy.mil>, msandlin@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL (Sandlin) writes:
> 4.  Will Brad and Janet ever, perhaps secretly, do the Time Warp
> again?

If by this you mean "Will there ever be a sequel?", there was a movie that
was a sequel to RHPS called "Shock Treatment".  You may be able to find it
at your local video store.  While it never caught on like RHPS, I do find
it to have a certain naive charm (with some fun songs and a rather wacky
script).  There are only a few actors from RHPS including Richard O'Brien,
Patricia Quinn, and the two who played Betty and Ralph Hapschadt (sp?).

By the way, if you ever get a chance to see a theatrical version of RHPS
do so.  A small local D.C. theatre (the Whooly Mammoth) put the show
on last year and was incredibly successful with it.  The theatre sold
approved prop kits (rubber gloves, flashlights, cards, ...) to patrons,
the off-stage cast members shouted popular "audience participation"
lines and were equipped with squirt guns, and the acting and singing
were quite good.  Plus, the original stage scores and scenes were
used which are slightly different than the movie.

BOB
From: scot@catzen.GUN.de (Scot W. Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: T2 - watching the 1000 grow
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:51:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: catzen.hX.a1IneOyk
Reply-To: scot@catzen.GUN.de
Distribution: rec
Organization: Little Point of Dharma
X-Charset: iso-8859-1
X-Software: HERMES GUS 0.99 Rev. Oct 12 1991

Hello Scott,

>|> <>After the T-1000 was broken up into a zillion bits and pieces, they should
>|> <>have swept him up and thrown the pieces into one or more of the steel vats
>|> <>in the factory!!  

>In the scene, the pieces began to reform even before Arnie and crew remembered
>to run away.  After being shattered, the pieces melted into fluid in a minute,
>tops.

I know it is kinda hopeless to try and find some sense in a script has 
bad as T2, but having seen this part of the movie again, I am still 
amazed at the very same thing. First, he blows it to bits. Okay. Then,
they all stand around (!) and casually watch the blobs go back together.
You would expect them to get the hell out of there, wouldn't you. 

With all the scrap metal around, someone could have pushed at least some of
the metal scraps/blobs into or closer to the heat, or at least tried. 

But forget it. The script is so plainly unlogical and third-rate that 
this is all too academic for words in any case. 

								Y, Scot
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                     Don't you touch that watermelon!
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From: HOBBKD@morekypr.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Rocky Horror 2: Revenge of the Old Queen
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:24:28 GMT

Hallo.  I was wondering if anybody knew anything about the
"new" Rocky Horror sequel (new if you don't count SHOCK TREATMENT).
A friend in England said that Richard O'Brien was interviewed just
recently and said it was in production.  Is this true?  How far along
is it?

I will tell what I know about it so far:

It involves Frank's mother and his son.  His mother is the Old Queen
(I think).  Tim Burton was interested in directing it, but vied to do
_Batman Returns_ instead.  One new character is Lord De'Lordy, and Riff
Raff :) will be returning as well (hope he gets to sing).  Three song
titles that have been revealed are _Never Let Your Daughter Date an Alien_,
_Gentleman Calling_, and _Short End of the Stick_.  Tim Curry, in an
interview with Fangoria last year, stated that nobody had asked that he
appear in the sequel, and that he was not interested in doing so.  To me,
this is no big loss, but many Rocky fans are upset about it, and I can
understand why.  As long as *my* fave character is in it, I'm happy.

So?  Any comments?  Any info?  Anyone care for a mint?

RiffRaff=============
man of a thousand
    smells...
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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 20:48:15 EST
From: ****** Linda ****** <ACPS6850@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Wanted: T2 GIFs --> Arnold and Linda GIFs
 <RATINOX.92Apr6111230@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
 <1992Apr7.101029.1@vax1.tcd.ie>

Greetings!

   Since we are talking about T2, can any of you tell me what FTP sites
have Terminator 2  GIFs?   A friend of mine wants some Arnold and Linda
Hamilton GIFs...If you do have the sites, can you list the FTP Site Numbers?
Thanks in advance.


------

 Linda Lum
(ACPS6850@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca)
From: scot@catzen.GUN.de (Scot W. Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Let's throw the book at Arnold
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:32:14 GMT
Reply-To: scot@catzen.GUN.de
Organization: Little Point of Dharma
X-Charset: iso-8859-1
X-Software: HERMES GUS 0.99 Rev. Oct 12 1991

Hi,

With the number of mistakes and problems and general incompetence growing
with every message on the subject of T2, isn't there some way to start
a class action and sue the film company and Cyberdyne for making such
a bad script =8)? Like, forcing them to make the film over again, 
they could keep the hi-tech parts, just change some of the more stupid
errors and then have Terminator II.2. Or just call the other film the
beta version...

							Grin, Scot

P.S.: If Alien 3 actually turns out to have just as bad a script as
      T2, what are we going to do?  
-- 
                     Don't you touch that watermelon!
          Scot W. Stevenson  scot@catzen.GUN.de  Essen, Germany
From: v562f9vy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Wolverine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Could Batman beat the T-1000?
Keywords: Buford, pass me that extra straightjacket
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr9.005014.22428@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes...
>In article <1992Apr9.000948.19138@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>>
>>Ob. sci-fi:
>>Who would win:  Darth Vader or the alien guy in the Bugs Bunny cartoons?
> 
>Why, the Martian, of course!  He's got that disintergrating gun, after
>all!


Who would win?  Debbie Gibson or Tiffany?  Who's on First?

                           Wolverine
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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: T2 - Why didn't Sarah die???
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:09:08 GMT

jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) writes:
>u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
>>jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne) writes:

>>>After the T-1000 was broken up into a zillion bits and pieces, they should
>>>have swept him up and thrown the pieces into one or more of the steel vats
>>>in the factory!!  

>My problem exactly.

>>The T-1000 began to reform almost imediately 

> No.  Watch the scene again.  There was plenty of time for Arnie
>to scatter them all over the place.

>>and since the pieces seem to be 
>>able to communicate might have been able to become a spike or move if they 
>>had tried to pick it up.

> Again, no.  They were frozen, remember?

Yeah, DAMN cold!  Temp. of liquid nitrogen.  Ever stick your tongue to a
metal pole in wintertime?

> Jan Bielawski
> Computervision R&D, San Diego
> jpb@calmasd.prime.com

Also, remember that you are operating from 20/20 hindsight.

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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Other ET's in Alien(s)
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:38:41 GMT

He also said "Just another bug hunt ?"
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