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From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: NHL News: 2 Referee system being tried out!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:30:43 GMT
 

In article <1992Sep28.180224.4609@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
romano@monolith.bellcore.com (Paul C. Romano) writes:

>	I for one am all for the two-referee system. It will eliminate
>alot of the cheap stuff that goes on behind the play, and help the 
>referee's maintain control on the ice. The game is so fast now, IMHO this
>is something that is really overdue in the NHL. What does the rest of the
>net land think??
>
>Paul
>romano@Monolith.bellcore.com


I would like to see a two-referee system.  I cannot count all the
games I have attended where I have seen blatant penalties and cheap shots 
get past the "one" referee who was looking in the opposite direction or
whose angle of vision distorted or concealed what actually happened.  

I think it would be a good move by the NHL.

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!

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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Status of a few defencemen wanted ...
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:44:46 GMT

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As I have the following 5 defencemen in my pool, and I need to "activate" 3 of
them for the first week of the season, I'd like to hear what the current
playing status of each is.  How has each looked in pre-season, and besides
Huffman, are each playing on their respective power-play's first unit?
Any info would be appreciated ... thanks in advance.  The 5 players in question
are:

    (1) Jyrki Lumme       (Canucks)
    (2) Brian Benning     (Flyers)
    (3) Scott Niedermayer (Devils)
    (4) Patrice Brisebois (Canadiens)
    (5) Kerry Huffman     (Nordiques)

Cheers,
   Brad

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: NHL News: 2 Referee system being tried
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:27:47 GMT

In article BAt@wrs.com, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>In article 4609@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, romano@monolith.bellcore.com (Paul C. Romano) writes:
>>	I for one am all for the two-referee system. [...] What does the rest of the
>>net land think??
>
>Why do you need a second referee?  There are already three officials on
>the ice.  Rather than add a fourth, the league should either allow
>linesmen to call penalties, or allow linesmen to tell the referee that
>an infraction occurred, and let the referee decide whether to call a
>penalty.
>

Labor, my friend. It's called labor... :)

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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: New Jersey Lines????
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:27:46 GMT

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Help ... can someone straighten out the top 3 Devils' lines for me?
Specifically I'm looking for info on the linemates for Ciger and Holik.  Will
either be on the 1st team power play unit?  How've they looked in pre-season?

Thanks in advance.

Brad

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: a joke (of sorts)
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:27:13 GMT

In article 8eoNFwu00iUzQ1d1Bs@andrew.cmu.edu, Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>
>I ran into a friend the other day and he said, "You must be excited -- it's
>almost opening night.  And you'll see them raise the banners."  I said,
>"We have to wait until Thursday night for that; that's when they're
>raising them."  He said, "Who do we play on Thursday?"  I said, "The
>Islanders."  He said, "Oh, I thought maybe we were waiting to raise the
>banners until the Blackhawks come to town!"  :) :) :)
>

Oh, geez, thanks Mom. Then again, if the Pens had waited for Da Hawks to arrive
Feb 13, the dust would be so heavy on the banner the $7M man could get
a hernia trying to lift it. 

And we wouldn't want that to happen, do we??? :)

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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: JETS News: Player assignments
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:17:23 GMT

The Jets made one surprise move yesterday in preparing for the regular
season by assigning defenceman Igor Ulanov to the Moncton Hawks.  This is
apparently seen as a lesson and not as a demotion by the Russian defenceman
who joined the team in January while Khimik (his Russian team) was touring
North America.  

Also assigned to Moncton yesterday were Pavel Kostichikin and Al Stewart.
I hope to be able to post a full line up in a day or so.

Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Ulanov up to Davydov, over to Zhamnov, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
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From: kshafer@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Keith Shafer)
Subject: Re: The Mighty Ducks
Keywords: The Mighty Ducks, Movie
Reply-To: kshafer@cheers.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Keith Shafer)
Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M - San Diego
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:22:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.161148.15229@athena.mit.edu> dmolsen@athena.mit.edu (D. Matthew Olsen) writes:
>Did anyone else see "The Mighty Ducks" yet?  It was _VERY_ corny.  I mean, I know
>you expect a degree of corniness and predictability from a kids movie, but this
>was out of control.  I don't recommend it.

I would have to disagree.  My son (almost 5 years old) and I went to a
preview showing of the movie last thursday night and enjoyed the movie very
much.  Granted, the movie is not an adult movie and is quite predictable, but
my son and I had a great time!  Take your kids....

- Keith  

>-- 
>Matthew Olsen (Go Whalers!!!)


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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: First round picks
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:40:40 GMT

In article <1aa83mINNmjo@malibog.hal.COM> rc@hal.COM (Rolland Crunk) writes:
>Does anyone know the status of the following players selected in the
>first round of the 1992 entry draft?
>	Alexei Yashen	Ottawa
>Did the make their respective teams? Has anyone seen them play in
>preseason? If so how did they look?

Yashin did not come to camp, nor was he expected to by team management.  He's on
the three-year plan, whereby he may come to camp next year, but no-one expects
him to actually play for the team until '94.

Oh, the patience.

Which, by the way, prompts me to comment on how deep the Lightning appear to
be, particularly down the middle (compared to us other expansion teams, that is).

Trader Phil certainly believes he can't be as patient as Ottawa and is making moves 
to be competitive(ish) in TB's first season (shown, to some degree I guess, here in 
the preseason).  Have you noticed the complete difference in the first TB roster back
in July to the current one?  There's a *huge* difference there.

>Any info would be appreciated.
>thanx
>rc
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From: bark@vipunen.hut.fi (Jukka A Virtanen)
Subject: Re: Jarmo Myllys
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date:  5 Oct 92 17:56:18 GMT

In <6865@kielouta.fi> cspamy@uta.fi (Pasi Myllym{ki) writes:

>Why super-goalie Jarmo Myllys is nowadays here in Finland (team:KooKoo).
>In my opinion he didn't get change to show how super he is.
 
He did get a chance all right. He played the debute season of the San Jose
Sharks as a second goalie (Jeff Hackett being 1st), and performed very well.
As far as I recall, he played maybe a third of all the Sharks games, and
was within the top 3 players of a game several times. In some games he was
fantastic, but maybe not often enough or maybe he was in the wrong team?
I mean, if defense sucks and the other team scores 10 goals, who do you
blame first?
 
 
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From: twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Rookie determination
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:04:56 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: twromero@damrod.mcrcim.mcgill.edu



>> WHether a player is a rookie or not (at least for the ROY award)
>> is determined by both how old he is (see Sergei Makarov) (I think
>> the age limit is 26)

 
   I thought when Makarov won, he was closer to being 30 then 
   the 26 being thrown around here. Besides, I don't see why
   there should be any age limit on being eligible for  
   the Rookie of the Year award. I mean, if someone who is say
   in their 30's or 40's even 50's, as unlikely as it may be,
   if they can put up numbers that are comparable to those of
   the teens or 20-year-olds, provided they also meet the number
   of games in a season, total game in career criteria, I see
   no reason why they can't win the award. In fact, they should
   be given the award, if all things being equal, ie, stats, for
   being able to do it at such a late stage in their lives.


 my 2 $0.02.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: ESPN Schedule for Oct.-Dec.
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:34:19 GMT

Nothing too critical but...

mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) wrote:
>Fri. 11/27-Hartford at Boston (N.Y. Islanders at Philadelphia)

Both of these games are afternoon games. So if you are too bloated with
turkey from the day before to get out of bed, set your VCR 8-). Offer not
good in Canada (do they get ESPN up there? 8-).

Tom
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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Kent Manderville
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:11:16 GMT

In article <farenebt.717737723@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:
> Attention Maple Leaf fans, is St John's player and former Canadian
> Olympian Kent Manderville a defenseman or forward? Which did he
> play for St John's in 1992?
> 
  Here in Finland he is known as a forward !!!

  Hannu

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From: chrisl@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Chris Lynch)
Subject: Why trade Whitmore?
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of B.C.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:38:39 GMT

In article <1ahv58INNsct@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, carrie@coyote.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers) writes:
|> In article <Oct01.235345.61126@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
|> >HARTFORD sends Kay Whitmore to VANCOUVER for a minor league goalie and a pick.
|> 
|> What the hell did they do that for?  We don't need another minor league goalie in
|> Springfield, (I would have been happy with Kay back in Spfld :) ) we have enuff 
|> already.  And if they were gonna do that, then why didn't they just keep Paul Cohen?

The goalie Hartford got, Cory Deleasio(spelled wrong I bet, but that's how it sounds), is younger
than Whitmore by about 3 or 4 years and did impress the Vancouver management last year.
However, the arrival of impressive rookie goalie Mike Fountain this year made Cory redundant
(and IMHO will make Whitmore redundant at least by next year).  Quinn also said Hartford
would've had to leave Whitmore unprotected on Sunday and he felt Whitmore would have
been claimed, probably by LA who need goalies (and a fountain of youth :-)

|> Seems Brian Burke is a little screwed up, maybe his secretary is about as good
|> as the one that works in Springfield. 

Well I don't know about that, rumour around here was that Burke refused a 
Gamble-Whitmore trade. Had he accepted that, I would think he got hosed. With Burke and
Frankie in goal, Hartford should be set for three years or so. By then this new goalie may
mature to the point where he can play well in the NHL, I think that's better than letting a guy
like Whitmore stagnant behind two other goalies.

|> I hope they atleast got a 2nd round draft
|> pick out of Kay.  He is a good goalie.

I agree he's a good goalie and if we are right, he will backup K. McLean this year 
and play around 15 games. This trade was good for Whitmore and *I* don't think
Hartford got nothing, so cheer up :)

Chris
From: de@cray.com (Duane Eitzen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bizarre Flames news
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:17:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: hemlock.1992Oct5.171749.27560
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.130615.2750@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>Just another note from the Flames....this one kind of bizzare.
>
>Goaltender Trevor Kidd, on his way to Salt Lake City with his girlfriend, hit a
>moose on the road. His car was totalled, although he and his girlfriend managed
>to escape with cuts and bruises. Kidd will undergo a CAT scan in Salt Lake to
>determine if any other, more serious head injuries occurred.
>

Wouldn't you know it. Just as hockeys image in the states is improving,
another moose-related accident happens. 

Duane.
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From: Joel_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Joel Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Kay Whitmore to Vancouver ...
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:42:30 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Kay Whitmore (sp?) was traded from Hartford to Vancouver for a minor league
goalie (can't remember the name) and a 1993 third or fourth round draft
pick--if my memory is correct.

It looks as if Troy Gamble's days may be numbered.
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: JETS News: Two trades, three wins in a row
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.182010.19899@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>
>>
>>Is Zhamnov playing center?  and how happy or unhappy is he?
>
>Alexei has been centering a line with Selanne and Tkachuk on the wings.
>As the team has been on the road since Tuesday, and he only joined them
>Wednesday in Edmonton, I guess he's happy to be playing, though as far as
>I know, he's still suing the team.

Has the line got a name yet...? 

Being an Oiler fan...I have a bad feeling about this!   

Gerald

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Hawks Notes
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:27:42 GMT

The somnolent Blackhawks offense took a shot in the arm when they acquired
33-year-old forward Dave Christian from the St Louis Blues in the waiver
draft. The Hawks then took the ice and came away with a 4-1 win over the
Detroit Red Wings, running their record to 2-5-2. Brian Noonan, Dirk Graham,
Steve Larmer, and Jeremy Roenick scored for the Hawks, while Steve Chiasson
accounted for the Wings' only goal. Ed Belfour faced 29 shots, while Vincent
Riendeau faced 30.

The moves are not over, however. Word in the _Tribune_ says that the Oilers 
are still peddling Joe Murphy, asking for Igor Kravchuk and Sergei Krivokrasov.
The Hawks would prefer that Krivokrasov only go in exchange for Murphy.

Opening night for the Hawks this Wednesday at Tampa Bay. 6:30 PM CDT start on
SportsChannel Chicago and WLUP-AM (1000). 

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From: kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Back Injuries (was Re: Gretzky News Conference)
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:06:46 +0100
Distribution: na 
Organization: Dynamics of Laser-Surface Interactions

In article <2AC0A9A3.13961@news.service.uci.edu>, assist@orion.oac.uci.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.154950.5276@sei.cmu.edu> tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Sep23.003928.18918@draco.macsch.com>,
>>b_hart@odin.dev.macsch.com (Bill Hart) writes:
>>|> 
>>
>>Given this latest addition to the roster of hockey players with back
>>trouble (Lemieux, Messier, et al.), I started wondering if perhaps
>>back problems were endemic to hockey players (much like knee injuries
>>are common in football).  Is this really the case, or does it just
> 
> Well, according to the newspaper, McNall and Gretzky seem to believe that
> all these back problems that the hockey players have been developing are
> due to the hitting from behind that has been allowed to go on in the NHL
> for many years.  However, Wayne has been known to be a bit of a "wimp",
> so maybe this injury just gives him more of an excuse to promote his
> platform for a "kinder, gentler" hockey game . . . :-)
> 
	It seems to me that knee injuries were formerly more common 
in the NHL, though maybe my memory is being clouded by Orr and Kluzak, 
and that there was some discussion at one point about how to provide 
more protection for the players to guard them from knee problems.
Now backs seem to be the "in" injury.
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From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: How's Dino Doing?  Khristich, Where Are You?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:05:00 GMT


Here in the DC area, we get mostly Redskins news...and the Redskins 
didn't even play this week.

There's an article or two on the Caps (still a few hundred season tickets 
off of last year's pace) and plenty of news on everyone's dream goalie from 
Tampa and a word or two about Wayne's pains.

But what about Dino?
 
What has he been up to?  If any Red Wing fan can give me some news, I'd 
appreciate it.  By the way, Dimitri Khristich, who scored 36 goals last year 
and who is being counted on for replacing Dino this year scored his first 
the other night.  Still, Terry Murray says he's not pleased.

Nor am I Terry, nor am I.

Warren

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: AHL Preview -- Hershey Bears
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:11:35 GMT

HERSHEY BEARS
===========================================
1991-92 INFO
RECORD:		36-33-11
PTS, PLACE:	83
GOALS FOR:	313
GOALS ALLOWED	337
TEAM GAA	4.16

LEADING SCORER:		Tim Tookey, 105 pts
LEADING GOAL SCORER:	Len Barrie, 42
LEADING ASSISTS:	Tookey, 69
TOP GOALIE:		Dominic Roussell (3.56)

1992 PLAYOFFS
  1st round:		lost to Rochester, 4-2

Hershey will return its offensive core of Tookey, Barrie, Chris Jensen
and former Bruin Wes Walz. Rookie Yanic Dupre is expected to put forth 
some good numbers. Considering how weak Philadelphia's defense is
and that Herhsey will be getting defensemen not good enough to make
the Flyers, Bears fans can expect to see the red light flashing behind
their goalie quite often. Dom Roussell, who played in 35 games last
year, is gone so the load may fall on Marc D'Amour and Jimmy Waite.

PREDICTION: 5th place, 74 pts

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