HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:16:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: homophob.TDeDJB11w164w
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

robertj@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:

> Way to avoid the point, djk.  I asked for _factual_ examples.  Whining
> "It is true!" doesn't qualify.  And neither do you.
> 

I don't have to avoid anything. I am RIGHT, you are WRONG.

'Tis this way it is sweetie. 

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
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-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: kebbie squeals like a stuck pig Was: Way too long
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:09:55 GMT

In article <kuofvlINN790@news.bbn.com> levin@star-trek.bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>As far as faithful quoting, try reading a book on English writing style, or
>>legal citations sometime. Elisions should ALWAYS be indicated in some form
>>or another. To do less is to do potential violence to the author's original
>>meaning or intent.
>
>Of course you have ALWAYS indicated elisions you have made in quoted text.
>Right.

I am awaiting counter-examples, Levin. See below for the kind of unannounced
elisions I am particularly interested in.

>>         THE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT APPEARS IN KEEGAN'S ARTICLES 
>>IS KEEGAN HIMSELF. Period. End of sentence.
>
>Well, of course.  That's not the issue.  Not even Jim would argue
>differently (I presume to state).  

Jim will argue whatever is convenient at the time to save face, or, if he's
unsure of that, he'll just go with whatever wins him brownie points with the 
"in" crowd. Nice and safe that way.

>The issue, don't change it now, is
>whether elisions in quoted text are normally indicated in usenet
>postings.  Years of network practice, the network guidelines, and,
>most probably, your own past postings argue that they are normally not
>indicated. 

Elisions at the beginning or the end of a quoted sections often go 
unindicated, particularly when such elisions consist of whole sentences or
paragraphs, but elisions IN THE MIDDLE OF QUOTED SECTIONS are almost always
indicated. Keegan's attempted fraud was a flagrant violation of the latter 
de facto rule.

>(Especially not in a.f, for crying out loud.)

(The attempted fraud was inflicted on t.a, for crying out loud.)

More important than the mere fact that the elision was unannounced is the
fact that the elided paragraphs were ESSENTIAL to the meaning and purpose of 
the whole article. It would be like spray-painting over the Mona Lisa's
smile. The whole thing changes when you do that. Keegan attempted to make
my article SEEM to say something other than what it actually did. That's
why I call it "attempted fraud". The actual mechanics of his attempted fraud
(i.e. the unannounced elision) are not nearly as important as the overall
effect (i.e. making a serious challenge appear to be barely more than idle
chatter). Don't you agree that the article reads differently WITH the 
challenge included than without it?

								- Kevin
From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:34:54 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:

> You have to remember that freedom of speech means exactly that -- Herr
> Stroker is free to speak his views.  There is no obligation on our part to


Same for me bubba. :)


-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: wooledge@ces.cwru.edu (Gregory Wooledge)
Subject: Re: Regrets
Organization: Crusaders for Truth
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:07:42 GMT

djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>> A few messages ago you said that "homophobia" was not a
>> "real" word because it doesn't exist in a dictionary.  Now that we
>> have proven that it does, you're saying, "Well, it's not a real word
>> anyway."  Give it up, Danny boy.

>My point is that the word 'homophobia' is being used in a political
>sense to silence opposition by adding a negative association with
>activity against the gay 'platform'.. 

[...]

>There have been a few good examples of civilizations going straight
>down the tubes following what is analogous to the PC philosophy.

A couple points to make:

  * Daniel, you have changed the subject again.  You seem quite insecure to me,
    unable to defend your points.  Next time, try thinking just a bit before
    you spew forth words.  It may save some embarrassment.

  * I despise Political Correctness just about as much as anyone.  In fact, my
    "Crusaders for Truth" pseudo-Organization, which I have used for several
    months now, is partly related to anti-PCness.

    However, one must be careful in labeling things.  Not all things which have
    been considered "homophobic" are actually that, and I have met one gay man
    who very unjustly accused me of homophobia.  Fortunately, I am mature
    enough to know that his insecurities are not representative of everyone of
    his orientation.  Similarly, however, you must be careful in labeling
    things "politically correct".

    Why do you consider gay rights to be a Bad Thing?  Please answer honestly,
    and maybe we (more than the two of us) can find a compromise which will
    end hostilities on both sides.
-- 
Greg Wooledge		/..\			Wizard in training.
wooledge@ces.cwru.edu	\--/ Have a day.
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From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: GAY & LESBIAN DISCRIMINATION IS FUCKING HILARIOUS
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 15:37:23 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:

> In article <66c6HB4w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
> :
> :"Get used to it".
> 
> Not even an origional bigoted, idiotic, net.fool.
> 
> Clayton (your GHOD) beat you to this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>      Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.

Nope. Not bigoted. I just will not let you tell me that I have
to do anything to conform to your 'choices'.. 

You made your choices in life - I've made mine.

"Get used to it."

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
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Xref: sparky alt.flame:6440 alt.politics.homosexuality:1914
From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:00:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: Nitro.qJk1iB2w164w
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:

> In article <emPNiB7w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM>, djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM babbles:
> > 
> > Now I know it is the end of the friggin world.
> 
> You're probably right.
> 
> Why don't you leave now and beat the rush?
> 
> Idjit![tm]
> 
> --
> Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
> C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

Nah.. I wanna stick around for the fireworks. >|->

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
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From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:28:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame

In article <gqaaJB2w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>I doubt it. I am not likely to start acting like gays are some
>great gift to the world - and I will never go for them having
>any special status in society other then that which they have.

>-djk

Yeah, the right to be bashed and discriminated against.  And god
forbid we might repeal sodomy laws *that affect heterosexuals as
well* and legalize gay marriages, right Daniel?

cws
From: djk@nic.cerf.net (Daniel J. Karnes)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Test.. (Flame Away!!!)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:28:58 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CERFnet

Just testing my new NNTP server.. Flame away! :-!

-djk

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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:19:11 GMT
Reply-To: dfpedro@uswnvg.UUCP.UUCP (Donn F. Pedro)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <3oZJiB2w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>> You "sir" are ignorant.  I know of lots of homosexuals who have biological
>> children.  

Jeff puts forth the premise.


>HaHaHaHaHaHa! Bwahahahahaha! - Where did they steal them?

And idiot proves it.

How effecient.



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From: punk@Bogus.COM (Jack C. Royce)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:45:03 GMT
Organization: Bogus.COM -- Public Access Network Services

gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:

> Since when does love == monogamy ???

Since about the beginning of time actually....   If you really loved that
person, you wouldn't want to go other places.  Believe me, when that happens
it hurts the other person.

So, if you are in love, you don't want to hurt the other person, for this
reason should be good enough, assuming there isn't any respect.

Your mate may say that it doesn't matter, but deep down, you know thats
not true.

How do you feel when your lover goes to another?

Do you feel that maybe somehow you're not good enough?

Maybe a little betrayed?

C'mon, you have real human emotions don't you?



===
* punk@Bogus.COM (Jack C. Royce) * via CyberSpace Cafe
My opinions are my own.  They may or may not be shared by the management.
From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:21:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr16.152107.995

In article <1992Apr16.144338.5608@midway.uchicago.edu>  
another weak-minded apologist joins the ranks of the
politically correct on alt.flame and writes:
 
> no.  alcoholism is a disease.  homosexuality is not.  
> peg

Next thing you know, she'll say that alcoholism is contagious.

Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.gac.edu
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,soc.motss,news.admin
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Re: Regrets
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 04:48:13 GMT

ronniejr@access.digex.com (Ronnie Jr.) writes:

> Path: gozer!mv!noc.near.net!centerline!uunet!think.com!mips!swrinde!gatech!
> 	willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!news.bbn.com!hsdndev!spdcc!
> 	dirtydog.ima.isc.com!ispd-newsserver!psinntp!digex!ronniejr
> From: ronniejr@access.digex.com (Ronnie Jr.)
> Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,soc.motss
> Subject: Regrets
> Summary: I'm coming out of the closet.
> Message-ID: <1992Mar31.235823.15622@access.digex.com>
> Date: 31 Mar 92 05:43:46 GMT
> Sender: news@ra.msstate.edu
> Organization: Flamethrowers Anonymous
> Lines: 38
> Nntp-Posting-Host: ts1.msstate.edu

> ...[much drivel deleted]

> I am a cross dresser and a bisexual.  And there isn't anyone that will
> change that.  I don't believe that it is a sickness.  Just nature
> telling me that's how things must be.

A good forgery, but not a great one.  It would have been much, much
better if he or she had gotten all the headers right.

Better luck next time.  NOT!

-- 
Kevin
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From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: GAY & LESBIAN DISCRIMINATION IS FUCKING HILARIOUS
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:02:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsl.1992Apr17.130225
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <3JgeJB5w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM>, djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
|> 
|> Another G-D DAMNED LIE from the penis gallery. Sodomy, men porking
|> men and the rest are very sternly condemned.
|> 
Care to prove it ??  Brushed up on your hebrew lately ??


Try again Danny.

-- 
Excuse me, could you scream just a little louder ??  I can't seem to hear
you.
From: king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:11:51 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In article <DZR5iB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>HeHe.... Hardly. The twit barely has the facilities to type
>let alone deal with me. :-)

Dealing with you is simple and as easy as flushing the toilet. In fact,
flushing the toilet is how people usually dispose of human waste such as
yourself.

-- 
                       Se non e` vero, e` ben trovato 
     ...{utzoo|mnetor}!dciem!dretor!king        king@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
From: keegan@kazoo.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: does a convenient absence = an inconvenient return? (was Re: Another Spectacularly Accurate Prediction (NOT!))
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:24:39 GMT
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.

karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:
-> In article <1992Apr4.201844.23041@rotag.mi.org>  writes:
-> > So, Karsten, any intentions of leaving alt.flame???
->  
-> Nope.  I was off for the past week due to our Spring Break
-> fiasco, but I am back.

well, well, what a convenient time to be away.

now that you're "back," i'm sure you'll be dealing with all of
your unfinished business. or, i suppose you could take the same
approach as kebbin.






--
----
charter member   ...   T.S.A.K.C.
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From: rstevew@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 16:12:54 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <HNTLiB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>
>> Not to mention the image DJK had of Christ. In e-mail with me, he claimed
>> it was the teachings of Jesus that made him homophobic. When I pointed
>> out that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality that is recorded
>> in the Bible, I expected returned mail from him.
>> 
>> Strange, that was two weeks ago. I bet he has been pouring furiously
>> through his Bible mumbling to himself "Jesus, say it ain't so!".
>> 
>> Iconoclasm at its finest. Need any MORE images shattered, DJK?
>
>Wrong. What I said was it was silly to see you hiding your filth
>behind the words of Christ - by only reading what you wish..
>
>I also do not waste my time and energy trying to argue with sick
>minds.
>
>Go fix your lipstick.
>
>-djk
>
>--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
>--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
>--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
>-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------

He fucked you in your intellectual "butt" that time, didn't he, Danny
boy?                                  -Steve
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Motives
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:47:03 GMT


Okay, I have a question for all of the regular posters to this group.
What are your motives for posting.  I can explain mine, but for the
life of me, I cannot figure out why djk or punk or even aap post.


To start this off, I will give my motives.


I see many people who post homophobic things (sometimes intentional,
sometimes not) to this list.  These things don't bother me, as an 
individual, all that much, because I am so used to seeing hatred and
bigotry that I can avoid it.  I also know that the homophobes are not
going to be swayed by my arguments on the net (they might be over email,
but never over the net).  However, there are two other classes of people
who are my audience.  One group are insecure homosexuals, the other are
heterosexuals who are not biased, but can be swayed by arguments.

I respond to these messages because I know that, as an eloquent educated
intellegent homosexual, I can show the first group that we don't have
to accept these arguments.  I can show that the "facts" presented by
the homophobes are easily shown to be false.  I can expose all of this,
and hopefully make it obvious to these people that they have nothing to
be ashamed of.

I respond to these messages for the second group because sometimes the
homophobic messages are couched in seemingly true logic.  By dispelling
the logic, I can educate these people as to the real message that these
people are spreading (the message of hatred and bias).  Hopefully, I make
them think periodically.


I also must admit that I use this as practice for the arguments I get
in with homophobes face to face.  This allows me to see all of the
popular homophobic arguments.  I get to hone my skills at eliminating
these arguments.  When I get in one face to face, I am prepared.  I
am rather adept at it.



That is my admission.  Okay, everyone, explain yourself.  Why are you
posting here?




FWA
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: This newsgroup has gone to hell!
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:40:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <9p4H#_bc6@cs.psu.edu>, krobinsn@esgaroth.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J
Robinson) writes:
> 
> And how would you know Mr. Misinformed??

Well, hell, Mr. Misinformed posts about a dozen pieces of nonsense a day.

I hear his real name is  K e n  R o b i n s o n.

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
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From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:13:12 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

> In article <Z3D6iB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
> 
> >Fine.. You get queers to write letters and get that silly word
> >added..... I've got a few myself. ;)
> 
> 
> Clever... First the argument is "homophobia is not a word".  When this
> point is lost, he decides that it is because we started a letter writing
> campaign.
> 
> 
> Come on Daniel, you can do better than this...
> 
> 
> FWA


This certainly has an analogue in my life.. Arguing over which
rock band is better - or whether or not female-x would do 'it'
on a schoolyard in 1967.

With such formidable psychopolitical technology available I am
surprised that you guys are still using the 1920's 'horrid -
example' crap..

It worked way back then when it was basically new to 'modern'
politics, but nowdays????????

G-d..... Gimme a break.

(I still love you Jeff! ;) )

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
Xref: sparky alt.flame:7110 alt.politics.homosexuality:2369
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Anatomical Ignorance (WAS Re: SHIT WORSHIPPING...)
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:08:30 GMT
	    <5ZDDJB7w164w@homophobes.CtEdge.COM>
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <5ZDDJB7w164w@homophobes.CtEdge.COM>
djk@homophobes.Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>Nice try... Problem is the ANUS is not a sexual organ.. It is a 
>waste disposal portal and nothing more.

Let me suggest you try this. Next time you jerk your humongous tool
off, be an adventurous guy and stick your finger near your asshole.
Now, now, you don't have to stick it in, because I know your mommy 
told you "poopoo is bad" and you wouldn't want it growing under
your fingernails. Just having it near the anus is good enough. When
you reach climax you will note something amazing. As you shoot
your load your anus contracts.

Yes, despite your assertions, it is connected to your sexual
apparatus, and is lined with the same engorgible, nerve packed
flesh that your colossal dick is.

>The sexual organs manufacture their own lubricants - the pooter
>requires VASELINE.. Or a tounge on some peoples books..

Last I heard, most rectal tracts lubricated themselves. Else, how
could you eliminate waste efficiently?

>And afterwards requires TUCKS.

Only if you do it wrong. Keep practicing!
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From: asahi@druid.csc.ncsu.edu (B.P. Asahi)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: GAY & LESBIAN DISCRIMINATION IS FUCKING HILARIOUS
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:18:21 GMT
Reply-To: asahi@druid.csc.ncsu.edu (B.P. Asahi)
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Cadet Club



dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>Syphilis has been a household word for much longer than that.  Let's face
>it, as early as WWII, there were lots of anti-VD movies, where syphilis
>was common. 
>
>
>This one has been around for a long time...
>
>FWA

It took AIDS to teach homos about STDs and safer sex... Hets learned about
STDs long before the AIDS-infected homos were ramming their unprotected 
wangers up each others butt holes. How many hets have you seen 
demanding that the government find a cure for herpes? Hets have learned 
that sex always has a risk and we've accepted it. But you homos will
never accept wearing a condom. You'd rather force the government
to make the risk go away so you can go back to your unprotected sex again.
Why else would you scream so loudly at people? The people dying now
of AIDS are not likely to be saved in the future. AZT forestalls
death. Wearing a condom takes the fun out of it, I know. 
Get used to it, we have. And keep your filthy hands out of my wallet.