HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edp@MATH.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Subject: Re: HP-95 password /automatic
Reply-To: edp@MATH.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:19:04 GMT

It happened a fourth time this morning.  It's always in the morning, but
not always.  I'm not aware of any differences in the mornings it happens
from the mornings it doesn't -- no alarms were scheduled during the
night.  This time, I just pressed ENTER a bunch of times; it beeped the
error beep and turned off, after which it worked fine.

If I'm awake enough next time it happens, I'll try to remember to count
the number of key presses required before it turns off.

By the way, is there anyway to backspace when entering the password? 
Pressing any key, including the left-arrow, during password entry seems
to be counted as an invalid character.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com
From: arw@cypress.com (Allen White)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: baseball game for hp95lx
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:12:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ga.ARW.92Apr15111240
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

Does anybody know of a baseball game that will work on the hp95lx?

--
Allen R. White, Design Engineer
Cypress Southeast Design Center, Starkville, Mississippi
arw@cypress.com                         Ph:(601)324-4634
Compuserve: 76336,674                  Fax:(601)324-4614
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Macintosh interface for HP95LX
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:50:35 GMT
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.040721.23638@csn.org> dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
writes:
>In article <ku1991INNdu5@news.bbn.com> jjd@BBN.COM (James J Dempsey) writes:
>>
>>I'm wondering if there is any commercial or PD
>>software exists which runs on the Macintosh specifically to manage the
>>HP95LX.  
>
>Since TouchBASE already downloads to Sharps, I asked the developers about
>the HP, but they don't seem clued in.
>
The new version (1.5) of our Macintosh scheduling software, Meeting Maker, can
download to the HP's Appointment Book program.  We've also enabled download
capability from Meeting Maker to Casio BOSS's and Sharp Wizards, as well.

- Peter

+---------------------+----------------------+
|   Peter A. Cohen    |  ON Technology, Inc. |
|   peterco@eff.org   |   155 Second Street  |
|   (617) 876-5122    |  Cambridge, MA 02141 |
| fax: (617) 876-0391 |    Product Support   |
+---------------------+----------------------+
|            "I have had freedom,            |
|     and I don't like the health plan."     |
|               - The Fresh Prince of Bel Air|
+--------------------------------------------+
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: re. backup mode
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:18:16 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <65300112@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Everett Kaser) writes:
>sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes...
>>Try doing a hard reset, and then hit the power button. I've gotten my 95
>>into a mode sometimes from just playing around where it will lock up 
>>in a similar fashion and won't shut off.
>
>It's possible that what's happened when you "get your machine into this state"
>is that you've done a "print screen".  Remember that the SHIFT key is sticky.
>If you've pressed it, don't realize the sticky shift is on, and then try to
>press the ESC key to get out of somewhere, you get PrtSc (shift-ESC).

Naaahh...these conditions were entered into from playing around with 
PD DOS software of questionable utility(or executability) on the 95 or
worse....toying with the debugger. 
"When I plays...I plays hard...", hence my 95's tendancy to get lunched and
reloaded about once every couple weeks.

Which raises a complaint I've seen on here once or twice before:
For real, true, serious use as a DOS machine, its too fragile.  There really
should be a way to not have to go through the whole reset procedure including
flushing the RAM disk. Ideally what I'd like to see is perhaps a multi-step
or multi-entry reset procedure where you could choose to totally reset and
flush everything or reload the OS only or reload the default system config files,
flush RAM only, or whatever. Something around the line of about 6-7 item diagnostic
mode sounds about right.

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Jagmenu and 1MB LX
From: vcmgt0j7@VAX.CSUN.EDU (Mingfang Li)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: vcmgt0j7@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Organization: Cal State Northridge

I used Jagmenu version 1.0 by Mark Scardina without any problem on my HP95LX 
with 512K of memory.  After I upgraded to the 1MB version however, I no longer 
could use it on the 1MB version.  When I press the hot key, I would get one 
long beep and two short beeps.  Nothing would happen.  Wonder if netters out 
there might have any suggestions.  Thanks in advance.


I am aware of Mark's new version shareware program, but it is soooo slow that 
I still prefer to use the first version.
=================================================================
Mingfang Li
Department of Management, California State University, Northridge
Internet: MLI@VAX.CSUN.EDU
=================================================================
From: HAC041@DJUKFA11.BITNET (Konrad Hinsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Portfolio display problem
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:04:36 GMT
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

Like probably many other Portfolio users, I have problems with the display
of my Portfolio, or rather the cable connecting it to the main unit,
which every now and then breaks. As a consequence, I have already
exchanged my machine three times. Some days ago I heard a rumour that
this cable is actually easy to change. Has anyone tried that and can
describe how to do it?

Konrad Hinsen (hac041@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de)
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"The only reliable unique system ID would be the physical
	ethernet address (not the software configurable one)."

And even that isn't reliable, because a service tech might swap your
network board and so change your Ethernet address.  And what do you do
if you have no network board?  Or two boards?

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: 88110 flops
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:54:32 GMT
Reply-To: sh.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall)
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Does anyone out there know roughly how many megaflops a reasonably well written  
fortran program will be able to extract from the 88110? Please reply by email,  
to: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.m68k,comp.unix.admin
From: hamilton@siberia.rtp.dg.com (Eric Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:07:03 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Apr07.111938.15805@barclays.co.uk>, usstjas@usstibm.barclays.co.uk (John Somerfield) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I administer a group of Motorola MPC systems (88k based) and need a way of
|> uniquely identifying at boot-time which system I am on. At present, the
|> nodename is defined manually for each system as it goes multi-user. I want
|> to find some way in which the system can look at itself and set its nodename
|> accordingly.
|> 
Does the MPC not support the _SC_BCS_SYS_ID option to the sysconf() call?
If it does, that's by far the easiest solution.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Hamilton				+1 919 248 6172
Data General Corporation		hamilton@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com
62 Alexander Drive			...!mcnc!rti!xyzzy!hamilton
Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss)
Subject: Re: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Organization: Accelr8 Technology Corporation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:55:47 GMT

The sysconf(_SC_BCS_SYS_ID) solution does *not* work.  Motorola-built systems
return a system id of -1, which is not especially unique.  The only reliable
unique system ID would be the physical ethernet address (not the software
configurable one).
-- 
 Jim Reiss (jim@accelr8.com)    Phone: (303) 863-8088    Fax: (303) 863-1218
 Accelr8 Technology ("The VMS to UNIX Connection"), Denver, Colorado, USA
 The above babbling is in no way to be misinterpreted as representing the
 opinion of any person, business, or small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: jrw@controls.com (Jay Wherley)
Subject: Re: How to ignore DATA ACCESS exception error in handler
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:46:58 GMT

|> BTW, it's not obvious from the original posting whether Wherley is running
|> in user mode on top of an OS or in supervisor mode with no underlying
|> OS.  That's how it came that I answered his question assuming no OS, while
|> Klossner answered it assuming an OS.  If Jay would repost with some
|> more background/details about his particular application,
|> the net.exception.88100.experts community could probably come up with some
|> more focused answers.
I am running in a driver linked in to pSOS+. In this case I am trying to access
a card across the VME bus that previously responded to a probe but now has
disappeared (either due to malfunction or hot-removal). I need to gracefully
recover and report the error to the caller through a return code. The data from 
the ld/st that caused the exception is not needed, but I do need to synthesize
and simulate any pending valid transactions.
Following the detailed suggestions of Eric Hamilton (thank you Eric) I have
successfully recovered from the situation by clearing the SSBR bits for the
pending register and am working on the synthesize part of the problem with 
aid of the purple book. Also thanks to Scott Townsend and Tim Donahue for
their suggestions.
-- 
===============================================================================
                                   Jay Wherley
"Charlie don't surf."         INTERNET: jrw@ccd.harris.com
                            COMPUSERVE: 72441,3326
                               PRODIGY: CVFP18A
From: tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: DG UX 5.4 Contrib Tape?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 12:53:55 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue)
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com


Hi,

I'm looking for information on a "contribution tape" for DG/UX 5.4 that
I've heard about.  Does it exist?  If so, is it possible to obtain it
via ftp?  Or do I need to order it from DG?

Any help would be appreciated (including a table of contents).  Please
reply via email.

Thanks,
Tim

tdonahue@bbn.com
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From: usstjas@usstibm.barclays.co.uk (John Somerfield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.m68k,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:19:38 GMT
Reply-To: usstjas@barclays.co.uk
Organization: Barclays Bank Plc.
Disclaimer: This in no way represents the opinions of Barclays Bank Plc.

Hi,

I administer a group of Motorola MPC systems (88k based) and need a way of
uniquely identifying at boot-time which system I am on. At present, the
nodename is defined manually for each system as it goes multi-user. I want
to find some way in which the system can look at itself and set its nodename
accordingly.

Two possibilities I have considered are getting the hardware address of the
Ethernet cards and finding some way of accesing the NVRAM. The problem with
the former is that I can find no way of getting the Ethernet address without 
previously starting IP (as opposed to just downloading the firmware). This
is not good because the IP addresses are host dependent, and are therefore
derived from the nodename.

Accessing the NVRAM would be good, except I can find no documented way of
doing so, or details of where any spare space is located (there must be some!).

If anyone out there can give me pointers either to ways of doing the above, or
other ways of acheiving this, I would be rather grateful.

Thanks in anticipation,

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Somerfield
Unix Systems Support Team                 Email: John.Somerfield@barclays.co.uk
Barclays Bank PLC                           Tel:   (0565) 621000 x 4531
Radbroke Hall                               Fax:   (0565) 621000 x 2947
Knutsford Cheshire WA16 9EU
United Kingdom
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.m68k,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:09:33 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 6156fa1189c6e717cfe75209938b3985

In <1992Apr07.111938.15805@barclays.co.uk> usstjas@barclays.co.uk writes:
>
>I administer a group of Motorola MPC systems (88k based) and need a way of
>uniquely identifying at boot-time which system I am on. At present, the
>nodename is defined manually for each system as it goes multi-user. I want
>to find some way in which the system can look at itself and set its nodename
>accordingly.

As I recall, the 88Open BCS/OCS specifies a set of special system calls
that provide access to a number of features, including the system
identification register (serial number) on the cpu.
Check the BCS or OCS documents for these calls.

Additionally, there should be some way of using the ifconfig program to
identify the ethernet address of the machine.

-- 
Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC
UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw   ...duke!wolves!ggw           [use the maps!]
Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu     ggw%wolves@duke.cs.duke.edu
[The line eater is a boojum snark! ]           <standard disclaimers apply>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss)
Subject: gcc 2.1 on a DG Aviion
Organization: Accelr8 Technology Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:25:48 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to keep gcc v2.x for m88k systems from adding
movstrSI and movstrHI calls to the objects it generates?  The -fno-inline
option doesn't seem to do enough.  MIPS versions of the compiler have
a -mmemcpy option which appears to do something like this, but not the m88k
one.  Anyone have any thoughts?  Any ideas appreciated.

Oh, in case anyone is wondering "why?", an object library is not 88open
compliant if it contains references to "movstrHI48x18" and "movstrSI64n64" and
"movstrSI96x16".  Just ask the library verifier.
-- 
 Jim Reiss (jim@accelr8.com)    Phone: (303) 863-8088    Fax: (303) 863-1218
 Accelr8 Technology ("The VMS to UNIX Connection"), Denver, Colorado, USA
 The above babbling is in no way to be misinterpreted as representing the
 opinion of any person, business, or small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.
From: adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:30:56 GMT
Organization: TH-Darmstadt

In article <1992Apr07.111938.15805@barclays.co.uk> usstjas@usstibm.barclays.co.uk (John Somerfield) writes:

>   Hi,
>
>   I administer a group of Motorola MPC systems (88k based) and need a way of
>   uniquely identifying at boot-time which system I am on. At present, the
>   nodename is defined manually for each system as it goes multi-user. I want
>   to find some way in which the system can look at itself and set its nodename
>   accordingly.

A common problem ...

>   Two possibilities I have considered are getting the hardware address of the
>   Ethernet cards and finding some way of accesing the NVRAM. The problem with
>   the former is that I can find no way of getting the Ethernet address without 
>   previously starting IP (as opposed to just downloading the firmware). This
>   is not good because the IP addresses are host dependent, and are therefore
>   derived from the nodename.

As much as I know Internet, RARP (Reverse Address Resolution Protocol)
was designed to do it. If your MPCs lack this capability, ring your
"friendly Motorola SR". BTW: SUNs performs this nicely during boot (!)....


>   Accessing the NVRAM would be good, except I can find no documented way of
>   doing so, or details of where any spare space is located (there must be some!).

How about /dev/nv*:

  crw-rw-rw-   2 root     sys      110,  0 Jan 31  1989 nvr_0
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  1 Jan 31  1989 nvr_1
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  3 Jan 31  1989 nvr_3
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  5 Jan 31  1989 nvr_5
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  7 Jan 31  1989 nvr_7
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  5 Jan 31  1989 nvr_bug
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  1 Jan 31  1989 nvr_net   <<<<<<
  crw-r--r--   2 root     sys      110,  3 Jan 31  1989 nvr_os
  crw-rw-rw-   2 root     sys      110,  0 Jan 31  1989 nvr_user

Have a look into both Administrator Reference Manual _and_ Hardware
Reference Manual. The first describes how to access and the later where
to search for ethernet address.


>   If anyone out there can give me pointers either to ways of doing
>   the above, or
>   other ways of acheiving this, I would be rather grateful.

Okay, it is up to Motorola to improve their support and  system software,
sorry, could not resist ....

good luck, adams (adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: cs224047@cs.brown.edu (Jean-Francois Doue)
Subject: What are the graphics capabilities of the 88k ?
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:59:36 GMT


Hi. I am new to this newgroup. I have heard that the 88110 has a special instruction set for doing 3D graphics
(like the i860). Can somebody confirm this ? And possibly give some more precisions. What is exactly
supported (linear transformations, Z-buffer, Gouraud of Phong Shading ?). How fast does all this work ?
Thank you.

								Jean-Francois DOUE


Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.m68k,comp.unix.admin
From: hamilton@siberia.rtp.dg.com (Eric Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Uniquely Identifying Systems
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:00:42 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Apr13.160933.1808@wolves.uucp>, ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) writes:
|> In <1992Apr07.111938.15805@barclays.co.uk> usstjas@barclays.co.uk writes:
|> >
|> As I recall, the 88Open BCS/OCS specifies a set of special system calls
|> that provide access to a number of features, including the system
|> identification register (serial number) on the cpu.
|> Check the BCS or OCS documents for these calls.
|> 
It does.  The call is sysconf(), the argument is _SC_BCS_SYS_ID (11), the return
is a value unique among all machines of the same manufacturer.  If you have
machines from multiple vendors, you don't even need to take a chance on
collisions, because you can get another 32 bits worth of unique vendor
identification from _SC_BCS_VENDOR_STAMP (10).



-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Hamilton				+1 919 248 6172
Data General Corporation		hamilton@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com
62 Alexander Drive			...!mcnc!rti!xyzzy!hamilton
Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Subject: Re: C and C++ deveopment environment
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 23:53:23 GMT

aaronf@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Aaron Friesen) writes:

>In comp.sys.hp, cander@brt.com (Charles Anderson) writes:

>>Pardon my ignorance, but I'm new to HP's and their software
>>procedures.  My goal is to do C and C++ software development under
>>HP/UX 8.0 on 425t workstations.  We we explained this to our sales
>>person, she indicated that Softbench/C++ would be sufficient as it
>>includes ANSI C, C++ developer, and Softbench for C++.  
>	  ^^^^^^

>Actually, it includes the C Developer's Bundle, which includes the
>C/ANSI_C compiler and the C Developer's TookKit (various libraries and
>programming tools such as RCS and mkmf).

>>When I received our mahcines, I loaded the ANSI C compiler first.
>>update told me that the package/fileset PROG_MIN was missing.  After
>>completing the install, I tried to compile perl, but found that libdbm
>>was missing along with other libraries that I would have expected to
>>find (such as libnet, libndir, and others that perl's Configure found
>>on a HP720 that I once used).

>PROG-MIN is part of the Developer's Bundle.  The libnet, libndir, etc
>libraries are included in the PROG-AUX fileset (also part of the
>ToolKit).

Nope.  Look again.  You don't get PROG-AUX with the Developer's Bundle.
And you don't get it pre-loaded with HP-UX.  And ResponseLine support
won't get it to you either.

>>Our salesperson is rather inept and has been of little help.  HP/Apollo
>>direct couldn't suggest anything.  We don't have software support (it's
>>in the pipeline) due to a screw up by our salesperson.

>If your software support is truely "in the pipeline" and you have already
>received your software, your Sales Rep should be able to set up a
>temporary "account" for you at the Response Center.  Give him a call.

>Aaron

Aaron, what makes you think these things are provided to us customers?

-- 
Marc
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   Marc Veeneman  Marcal Systems Corporation  Cary, Illinois U.S.A.
   If at first you don't succeed, you probably won't the second try.
From: ben@NYNEXST.COM (Ben Chigier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: suggestions?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:58:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: fallstaf.9204161758.AA01768


Is this the place to make suggestions for HP workstations? 

The 9000 series seems pretty nice, but they would look much nicer if they had
better multi-media capabilities. Sun is comming out with what sounds pretty
nice multi-media:
	o ISDN capabilties, maybe you could consider having this and a true
		telephony interface.
	o Good quality A/D/A, the 710 has pretty losy stuff only 8 bits and
		8kHz sampling rate. Do you have plans for 16bits and 16kHz
		sampling?

	

Ben Chigier.

-----------------------------
Ben Chigier
NYNEX S&T
AI Lab
Speech Group
(914)-644-2610
ben@nynexst.com
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From: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Why would csh say "to_short ran out of space"
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:10:37 GMT
Reply-To: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

This is related to a previous post regarding GNU make failing on a
730/8.07 while HP's make works (but lacks VPATH, so I need GNU make).

I have learned a little more. I start out in ksh. The makefile runs CC,
which is just a Bourne shell script in /usr/softbench/bin which does a bit
of processing before launching the real CC in /usr/bin. During that
preprocessing, the which command is issued. Which is a csh script. That's
how csh gets involved. In any case, the line in the CC script:

real_CC=`PATH=$new_path /usr/bin/which $CC_prog | grep -v "^no "`

generates the error

to_short ran out of space.

That error had me baffled for a while. Still does, but I have searched
with strings for that message and found it in /bin/csh.

Does anyone have any ideas about why csh would generat that message?
Stack space, perhaps?

Thanks,
Johnny Tolliver
jxt@ornl.gov