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From: cheryl@collard.larc.nasa.gov (Cheryl Winstead)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Page breaks
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:06:27 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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I need some advice!!!

I am TEXing a bibliographic document.  Each entry is contained in a vbox
so they will not break between pages.  The problem starts to occur when
a certain vbox will not fit on the current page and is sent to the following
page.  The extra space on the current page is left at the top of the page
instead of being evenly distributed among page or being put at the bottom.
I can live with it evenly distributed or at the bottom, but cannot live
with it being stuck at the top of the page.

I tried changing \pretolerance, \tolerane, \clubpenalty, and \widowpenalty
with no success.  Obviously, that was not the right thing to do.

Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.  Respond ASAP since I am
working on the project as we speak.

Thanks in advance,

Cheryl Winstead



Send responses to my e-mail please.

 
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From: unaltuna@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Mehmet Kemal Unaltuna)
Subject: IEEE Style
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:57:04 EST

Hi netters,
 
Does anybody know where I can ftp a .sty file conforming to IEEE standards
(ieee.sty or sth. like that)? I have one but it is incomplete (cannot handle
8-pt captions for figures, etc.) 
Thanks in advance.
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Which is better, OzTeX or Textures?
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:23:49 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1993Jan21.181657.7128@hubcap.clemson.edu> andy@mercury.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS) writes:
   
     I need to get a Tex package for my Mac Plus.  I have used Textures
   on a friends Mac and it seemed like a pretty straight forward package
   to use, except that sometimes you couldn't quit the application.  I
   have heard that OzTeX is a really good package, but before I spend
   several hours downloading it I thought I would get some opinions
   first.
   
There is really no doubt that Textures is immensely superior to OzTex. Of
course, unlike OzTex it costs real money ;-(, but at the "student price"
it is very good value.





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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: when is whitespace ignored by LaTeX?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:00:11 GMT
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John R Ruckstuhl Jr (ruck@alpha.ee.ufl.edu) wrote:
: Would someone give me a few rules of thumb w.r.t. ignorable whitespace?

: In LaTeX, I wrote something like:

:     \begin{picture}(850,1100)

:     \multiput(12,0)(200,0){2}{                  % 2 columns
:         \multiput(0,883)(0,-133){7}{            % 7 rows
:             \framebox(200,133){\parbox[b]{1.75in}{yakyak}}
:         }
:     }

:     \end{picture}

: but the frameboxes were about a character space right of where I wanted
: them (relative to edge of the picture box).  Inserting a \noindent,
: solved the problem, but is \noindent really sensible in a picture
: environment? 

The noindent had no effect - it just caused following spaces to be ignored

: The local guru says this is magic, and after awhile I'll get a feeling
: for when whitespace counts and when it doesn't, but I'm hoping someone
: here can make the rules simple and clear for me.

I think a simple outline is as follows (assuming you haven't done anything
like changing cat-codes or doing \obeyspaces etc):

1) whitespace at start of line is ignored
2) whitespace after a macro name is ignored
3) other whitespace is not ignored

You're problem has occured because you've introduced whitespace to align
comments. You really need to insert the comment % before the whitespace
-- try instead:

    \begin{picture}(850,1100)

    \multiput(12,0)(200,0){2}{%                  2 columns
        \multiput(0,883)(0,-133){7}{%            7 rows
            \framebox(200,133){\parbox[b]{1.75in}{yakyak}}
        }
    }

    \end{picture}

A rule of thumb is "if in doubt put a % after the last (significant) char
in each line".


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From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Help with LucidaMath fonts
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:53:52 GMT
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography

In article <1jrgc9INNoo7@life.ai.mit.edu>, bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) writes:
 
> In article <1jpel3INN2mn@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> dundas@chip.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (John Dundas) writes:
 
>    I have the Adobe Lucida Math fonts and their .pl files but have not been
>    able to get all of the math characters to print properly (I am using
>    pltotf and dvips V5.495).  Can anyone offer any pointers?
 
> You need to note that Adobe doesn't believe in the `control character'
> positions, so all of the characters you'd expect to be in in the 0 -- 31
> range appear instead in the 161 -- 195 range.  They also like a space in
> position 32. One way to fix this is to reencode the font.  That is, change
> the assignments in the Encoding vector to correspond to those in Computer
> Modern math fonts.
 
> How to do this is a function of what platform you are on - something you
> don't mention.  On Unix, with PFA files you can edit the file directly,
> since it is plain ASCII.  You need to change the AFM file also if you are on
> NeXT using Display PostScript. 
 
> On the PC you have to convert the compact binary PFB file to PFA form, edit,
> and convert back to PFB (using PFBtoPFA and PFAtoPFB say - or just use
> REENCODE directly).  If you are using the font in MS Windows, you'll have to
> make up a new PFM metric file (using AFMtoPFM say).

If you're using dvips (which by my guess is fairly likely), you
can do  the remapping via VF files. I have some vague
recollection that Karl Berry and someone else from England whose
name I don't remember (terribly sorry) have done the work of
getting the Adobe Lucida fonts working under TeX. I'm sure
they'll post some more on the topic.

Reencode the fonts... hmmph!

-dh

Don Hosek                  
dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu  
Quixote Digital Typography 
714-621-1291
From: veith@dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Helmut Veith (gottlob))
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: SliTex: Page Numbers
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: veith@dbai.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: DBAI

Can anybody help me how to write double indexed page numbers 
in Slitex. (Like 1.1,1.2, 1....,  2.1,2.2, ...)

Thanks a lot, Helmut



email: veith@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: ari@kolmogorov.physics.uiuc.edu (Aritomo Shinozaki)
Subject: LaTeX: How to make Chapter heading smaller?
Summary: I need to know how to reduce size of chapter headings.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:14:20 GMT
Keywords: LaTeX Chapter Headings

In LaTeX, the \chapter{} makes very large chapter title
headings in the text.  I would prefer something less gaudy,
is there a \renewcommand or something that I can do
to change the default style.  I stared at the LaTeX manual(s)
and didn't find what I need.

Thanks,  Ari



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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Which is better, OzTeX or Textures?
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:27:22 PST

In article <1k2an0INNkjj@pith.uoregon.edu>, scavo@cie.uoregon.edu (Tom Scavo) writes:
> In article <1993Jan26.015518.12345@maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes:
>>jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:

>>>There is really no doubt that Textures is immensely superior to OzTex. Of
>>>course, unlike OzTex it costs real money ;-(, but at the "student price"
>>>it is very good value.

>>Incidentally, have you used both?  Very few people have, in my experience.
>>(I used TeXtures 3 or 4 years ago, and was impressed, but also annoyed 
>>that I could not use fonts from elsewhere.  Has that changed?)
 
Was never really a technical issue, just an informational issue:
Blue Sky for some reason doesn't explain the point (although
thinking back to various conversations I've had with Barry Smith,
I think I understand their justification, even if I disagree).

> But my question is:  Does Textures have the memory constraints
> that OzTeX suffers from?  I have a 150-page solutions manual with
> at least that many figures that gives OzTeX an awful time!  Right
> now I'm struggling with commutative diagrams---every time I try
> to typeset them, I get an overflow message.  I'd give anything
> for a BIG OzTeX!  For small projects however, it works great.

My understanding is that Textures will give you as much TeX
memory as is physically possible between actual RAM and virtual
memory off of your hard disk. People at Blue Sky hold whole
documents in memory and do page imposition with TeX.

-dh
Don Hosek                  
dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu  
Quixote Digital Typography 
714-621-1291
From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Footnote numbering and grouping
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: jive.lmdnjjINNjg7
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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I'm trying to adapt a style file so that footnote numbers will
renumbered from 1 on each page.  What I'm using is
\@addtoreset{footnote}{page}.  However, on some pages, the footnote
numbers appear out of order (e.g. 2 3 1 instead of 1 2 3), or
duplicate footnote numbers appear (e.g. 1 1 instead of 1 2).  This
generally happens when the first footnotes are near the top of the
page, so it makes me think that those footnotes are being numbered as
if they were on the previous page.  This happens even after I've run
the file through LaTeX several times.  Can someone suggest a way to do
things so this does not happen?

Also, I want to specify that footnotes absolutely may not run on to
the next page.  I am willing to put up with underfull pages in order
to get this.  How should I do it?

	Thanks,
	Janet
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From: "Arthur Ogawa" <ogawa@orion.arc.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: dvips for VMS
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:10:49 PST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

I am looking for a dvips executable for VMS (:-) so I do not
have to build it myself. I would like to obtain the latest version
of executable possible, certainly dvips5.47 or later. I would appreciate
hearing from an archive site that has such a thing.

Thank you fro your trouble.

Art
From: bouillon@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Peter G. Bouillon)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Advanced hyphenation problem for (esp. German) compound words
Summary: How can I persuade TeX to consider certain hyphenations as 
	 possible but worse than other hyphenations?
Keywords: \hyphenation, compound words, German
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:28:16 GMT
Followup-To: poster

German compound words can be hyphenated in several ways; however,
hyphenating their components is considered uglier than hyphenating in
between their components.  As, for example, the word `Gangschaltung'
has the components, `Gang' and `Schaltung', the hyphenation
`Gang-schaltung' is considered preferable to `Gangschal-tung'.
Similarly, words ending on `ion' can be hyphenated `i-on', but any
typesetter would avoid that wherever possible.

As however the German language is full of very long words, it is
unfortunately impossible to completely avoid ugly hyphenations in any
context.  Therefore, you can't really solve this problem by inserting
`\-' in all the preferable places.  For one thing, this would force you
to re-read your whole text after any alteration to the document
(style) to find out whether certain ugly hyphenations have to be
re-allowed in the new situation.

So I wonder how to convey to TeX that certain hyphenations have higher
badness than others.  Even if the border between components were marked
somehow (as a macro or something), you would still logically need to
use two hyphenation penalties.  There is only one in TeX, and it can
only be specified once per paragraph.

Does anyone have a workable solution?

(Please reply per email; I don't read this news group regularly.)

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From: "Tundra" Tim Daneliuk <tundra@eskimo.chi.il.us>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: virtual fonts
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:34:35
Organization: TundraWare
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

>
> Upon my request on how to find a good collection of
>
>         v i r t u a l  f o n t s
>
> I did not get much response in spite of some request of people
> who wanted to be informed when I got responses or would have been
> successful otherwise.
>
> Well,
> instead of answering those people individually I report the result of my
> 'font hunting' here.
>
> First, I want to say that I'm in the happy situation to have a 486 system
> running 386BSD with TeX 3.14, dvips, xdvi, mf, gs and all that stuff running.
> 16 MB of memory and a 1GB SCSI disk, networked to the Internet, of course.
>

Boy, some people are *really* spoiled!!!! 8-)

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From: field@.cs.pitt.edu.cs.pitt.edu (Brian Field)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: LaTeX, twocolumn, wide tables
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:09:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
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I have a paper I am trying to typeset in twocolumn mode using the twocolumn
style.  In the paper, I have several tables which are too wide to fit in a
single column while in twocolum mode.  However, LaTeX attempts to squeeze them
in (with poor results).

Is there a simple solution to getting wide tables formatted properly in a
twocolum paper.  Ideally, I would like the tables to be formatted in onecolumn
mode, but text in twocolumn mode.  I tried to manually switch between the two,
but then I had to mess with moving text around, inserting page/line breaks,
etc.  Is there a simpler solution? 


Thanks
Brian
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From: eekl@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Kim LAW, Dept. E.E., Uni Newcastle, NSW, AUSTRALIA)
Subject: WYSWYG latex - Interviews
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:30:27 GMT

I saw an discussion on WYSWYG latex editor earlier this month.
A number of people suggested Interviews.  After much trouble
I finally manage to locate a copy of Interviews to try.  To my
disappointment, it does not format or display equations at all.
Am I doing something wrong or is it the limitation of Interviews,
in which case, it is not a true WYSWYG editor.

Any comments?

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From: muehlenw@samhh.hanse.de (Stefan A. Muehlenweg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Inputting accented characters (postpositive accents)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:53:32 MEZ
Organization: private site of HanseNet--Hamburg--Germany
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

mackay@cs.washington.edu (Pierre MacKay) writes:

> I may be the only user of multi-lingual text who is constantly forced
> to migrate among hardware platforms of differing capabilities, but
> I rather doubt it. ...
>
No, you're not! In our department I've to manage different kind of
systems (as UNIX---RS/6000, Sparc, Apollo---, VAX/VMS, PC--MSDOS, ATARI TOS...)
and there are on most machines TeX-Installations.
Very often there is TeX code to migrate from one system to another,
and so I teach all users here to use *ONLY* 7bit TeX-inputs, otherwise
the files need to be converted each time they will be ported to another
system.
And the german language uses \"a \"o \"u \"A \"O \"U \ss{}  very often.

So 8bit input is very difficult, but a 16bit standard would be the best
in future (*WHEN* in future ???? ).

Stefan

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From: rat@po.CWRU.Edu (Reza A. Tabib-Azar)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Which is better, OzTeX or Textures?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:12:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rat@po.CWRU.Edu (Reza A. Tabib-Azar)
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In a previous article, rolfl@ulrik.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) says:


>> That is the information I got, but it is an MPW-tool. I'm definitely not
>> going to buy MPW just because it is otherwise impossible to use the fonts
>> I want in my documents.
>
>Strictly speaking, all it takes is to know somebody who's got MPW and run
>the software on his machine - or is this illegal?
>
>>   Hans van der Meer

You can get the MPW shell from ftp.apple.com I think it is in
	/dts/mac/tools/mpw
It is missing all of the tools, but you can run the tools you get in public
domain.

Hope this helps,


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				   |a big problem.  E. Colombini
From: jharlow@ee.egr.duke.edu (Justin E. Harlow)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Conversion to WordPerfect
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:19:57 GMT
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC

Since this seems to be a very thin-skinned group, let me dispense with
the rhetorical disclaimer right away.  YES, I have read the FAQ.  Thank
you.  Flames to /dev/null, please.

Does anyone out there know of software from any source which will
faithfully translate LaTeX source to WordPerfect?  The FAQ memo lists a
few sources of filters which go the other way, but none that go from
LaTeX to WP.

If you know of anything available commercially, shareware, PD software,
or any other leads, please contact me via email.  I will summarize and
post any useful responses.

Thanks


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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: rafia@ravel.udel.edu (Rafia N Bhore)
Subject: Re: \LaTeX\ logo in \title : Solved: Another Q?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:56:57 GMT

In article <C19F13.1CI@news.udel.edu> rafia@ravel.udel.edu (Rafia N Bhore) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>The commands that I am using are:   
>
>\document[xypic,11pt,twocolumn] {article}
>\begin{document}
>\title{\bf Typesetting Diagrams with \protect\XY-pic\ in \LaTeX\ and \TeX\ }
> Lots of stuff here.
>\end{document}
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
>My difficulty here, is that all the letters in the title including the 
>\TeX\ logo are in bold font, except for \LaTeX\.  I tried \protect -ing
>\LaTeX\, but that didn't help, nor did removing the twocolumn option
>in \documentstyle.
> [stuff deleted]

Thanks to the following people, for solving my problem.
Dave Love <dlove@daresbury.ac.uk>
David Grabiner <grabiner@math.harvard.edu>
Donal Arseneau <asnd@erich.triumf.ca>

The LaTeX logo is defined in latex.tex as follows:
%THE \LaTeX LOGO IS DEFINED HERE.
%
\def\LaTeX{{\rm L\kern-.36em\raise.3ex\hbox{\sc a}\kern-.15em
    T\kern-.1667em\lower.7ex\hbox{E}\kern-.125emX}}

I just removed the \rm from this macro and then I could use any font that 
I wanted (I needed \bf at some places).

However, one question that I still have is that, will I be violating any 
rules, regulations etc... by changing the font of the LaTeX logo?
Am I permitted to do this?
This question comes to my mind, since the LaTeX logo may be *copyrighted*.

Thanks again 

Rafia Bhore
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning)
Subject: Prevented widowed harems :-)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:54:42 GMT

I have a LaTeX environment which basically collects some text into a
vbox for later setting.  My problem is that when I unvbox it, I'd like
to prevent the last several lines from appearing alone on a separate
page (this is because there are several lines of annotation which were
automatically added by the environment's end macro before the text was
vboxed in the first place).

Somehow, I need to go into the last little bit of the text (possibly
before I add the annotations) and modify the penalties to prevent page
breaks after that point.  But the environment doesn't have control
over the text itself.

In case this all isn't clear, here's an example of some pieces:

Usage:

	\begin{myenv}
	    \annote{this will appear at the end}
	    ...
	    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
	\end{myenv}

(the annote macro just saves the text in a box named annote)

Begin macro (greatly abridged and simplified from memory):

	\def\annotation{this goes at the end too}
	\setbox\savetext=\vbox\bgroup

End macro (greatly abridged and simplified from memory):

	\box\annote
	\annotation
	\egroup
	\unvbox\savetext

The trick is that I'd like to have "...the lazy dog", the "\annote"
box, and the "\annotation" text all appear on the same page.  Even
better would be to make at least *two* lines of the "real" text appear
on the same page.

I experimented with calculating the size of \savetext and using
\vsplit to pick out an appropriate amount, but I found it very hard to
make the calculation correct, perhaps due to LaTeX internals or
perhaps due to some other material I'm trying to add at the end of the
page.  I suppose I could just try N\baselineskip as an adjustment
factor, where N is determined by trial-and-error, but I'd sure like to
come up with a more elegant method.

Any suggestions?
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