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From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:10:04 GMT

Hey! What is the point of this argument? If you are in mainland China, you
use simplified one; if you are in Taiwan or Hongkong or anywhere else, use
traditional one. This is the reality. If you can't change it, change your-
self, please. Just like in USA, you use American English; in England, you 
use British English. If you want to play go in Japan, you use the Japanese
rules; if you play go in China, you use the Chinese rules. Which one is 
better? I think it is the next one. :)

-- 
Hui Huang		Hui_Huang@UManitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
                        Phone: (204) 275-5278
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:42 PDT
Subject: Re: China-net
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Oct 10 18:42:00 1992


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anlyyao@igc.apc.org
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:51:11 GMT
    <BvprAn.GBp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct6.153114.5837@ms.uky.edu> 
    <BvrDvK.H0u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.153114.5837@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>>
>>No, there are a lot of Chinese ways to say something. And there are non-Chinese
>>way to say something. Maybe some people are not so sensitive.

>Do you mean to use Chinese characters like Mr. Shanoon Yeh :-)
>did all the time?

No, I mean to use you heart and think that you ARE a Chinese. A lot of people
want not to be a Chinese, which I will not blame, but the fact is not all them
can do that. And it is better for them to be a happy Chinese. I think Mr. Bush
will agree with me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: library@sunspot.noao.edu (John Cornett)
Subject: Re: Sue Shannon
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:21:57 GMT

In article <Bw4rr2.Kt0@news.iastate.edu> N1.JYZ@isumvs.iastate.edu (joe) writes:
>Hi! Folks:
>
>I strongly agree with the idea to sue this Shannon Yeh. He has
>passed the boundary of free speech. IFCSS should file a
>class action case against his letter and remarks. Let's show
>him the justice he deserves!
>
----------------------------
Dear Netters,

I believe there is no cause to sue Mr. Yeh, for the following reasons:

1) Unless there is a hard-line Party official in the U.S. who owns a business,
   or a member of the U.S. Maoist Internationalist Movement (MIM), I believe
   there is no one who would refuse to hire a Chinese person simply because
   that person is not loyal enough, in Mr. Yeh's view, to the CCP.

2) In some cases, I believe there may be a sympathy factor. Mr. Yeh's letter
   was so insulting to students, and the reasoning seemed so strange and unfair,
   employers may now look more favorably on your applications.

3) I had hoped that the U.S. people would look at the letter as something
   strange and misguided, but would be polite. I am disappointed by the
   rudeness of some of the replies, and if any U.S. person tries to harass
   Mr. Yeh, I will certainly stand by Mr. Yeh. I believe the rudeness or 
   harsh language dishonors us, and I am very sorry.

4) For those who strongly support the Party, or the Marxist-Leninist economic
   view, I hope you know that there is every right here to express those views.
   An appeal I would like to make is to persuade us of the good points of your
   views, this opens the mind to thought, and the views will be considered.
   This would apply to all sides in the debates, right, left, and center,
   if we are able to do it. When you read the U.S. postings, it is clear that
   we (U.S. people) have a long way to go, please don't learn our bad example!

   Sincerely,

   John Cornett
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:22:52 GMT

Dear netters,

I seem to have stirred up some emotion on the net. I'd like to react on some
of the accusations I have received.

BTW, I am not a Chinese, neither are any of my known ancestors. When I
started to learn Chinese at the university, I have learned the traditional
characters.

First, people have said on the net, that simplified characters are easier
to learn than the traditional ones. I tend to agree that they're easier to
write. They are certainly no easier to read, as the differences between
individual characters are smaller.

Second, people have said that it's a good thing to simplify one's language: the
simpler, the better. I think this is silly. It is my belief that in teaching
people a language, whether it is written or spoken, these people can develop
certain other skills, besides just learning to use it. What I mean is, that in
learning Latin, one develops a clear understanding of how thoughts can be
logically structured and expressed. In learning Chinese, one can develop a
skill in classifying like characters, according to similarities in their
respective buildup. This nice property is ruthlessly destroyed by adopting
these simplified characters.

When the underlying (albeit historical) structure of a script is destroyed, as
was the case in the PRC, much of this classification-skills of the people using
it, are also lost. I think this is a very bad thing.

To further exemplify my point, some Westerners try to learn Chinese by only
learning the pinyin of each character. Without knowledge of the underlying
characters, they have great difficulty in really understanding Chinese language
concepts.

Third, the reason for the simplification process in the PRC was to lower the
illiteracy rate. Well, the fact is that in Hong Kong and Taiwan, everybody
seems to be able to learn the traditional characters and another fact is that
the illiteracy rate in China is still higher that in the 'other Chinas'. So, is
this simplification process really needed? I still don't think so.

Fourth, nobody in his/her right mind, would deny saying that the simplified
characters actually look like a piece of sh*t. 

To conclude, give me one, just one, valid reason for simplifying the world's
oldest script in daily use. I think it is a bloody shame. I mean, even in Japan
they show more respect for Chinese characters than in the PRC.

But, then again, who am I?! Just another foreign devil with an attitude,
probably.

Cheers!

--
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Faculty of Computer Science / SPA   |                      phone: +53-893795
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Oct 10, Our National Day
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:36:33 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Oct12.222810.20979@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <Bw126B.Ary@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
>writes:
>> >Well, according to Shi Chunde's opinion, they are Banana, which might be  
>worse  
>> >than "running dogs". Immigration usually is a shameful thing according to  
>some  
>> >"patriots".
>> >
>> >Carl
>> Carl, Why are you keeping nagging me? I am not so "attractive"! 
>> Can you forget about me? I do not even know about "my" opinion above.
>
>In fact, to me, you are one phenomenon, just like Shannon is another phenomenon  
>too. If you don't like, I will not use your name. Instead, I will use SCD as  
>the name of this phenomenon. I can leave you alone. But I am afraid I can't  
>leave SCD phenomenon alone.
>
>Carl

Carl, why not make a J Chen phenomenon? I like to be famous. :-)

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Mr. Yuan Mingwei (coming from Tsinghua Univ.)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:06:13 GMT


If you know Mr. Yuan Mingwei, a Chinese student now studying in
Canada, please tell me his address by email, or tell him my
information:

Qiu Liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset ave.
Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhang@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Tao Zhang)
Subject: Re: Chinese movies
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:59:49 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Bill and Jemmy (not a story------------)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.012218.2418@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu) writes:
>
>The most important thing for IFCSS to do now is to keep the 
>in its position and try to prevent any demoncracy or open-door things
>from happening.  Also try to let the human right in CHina as bad as 
>possible.  Keep the reformers away from the CCP and help halp the
>leftists in their position.  Then the green cards can be guarantteed.

  That's an effortless task for IFCSS.  It only needs to rest and do nothing.
  In fact you should advice CSS to dissolve IFCSS to achieve the goal.

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:46:04 GMT

In article <9210130123.AA16207@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu  
writes:
>           One thing I miss in the U.S. is xiao ren shu (XRS).
>           Here are my favorate ones:
> 
>           1.  3 guo2 yan3 yi4;  I especially enjoy the five tiger
>           generals, and I spent long time trying to figure out how
>           they ranked in terms of wu3 yi4.  The result is like this:
> 
>               Luu3 bu4
>               Ma3 chao1
>               Guan1 yu3
>               Zhao4 yun2
>               Zhang1 fei1
>               Huang2 zhong1

How about Yan2 Liang2 and Wen2 Chou3 (generals of Mr. Yuan2 Shao4). I think Yan  
and Wen were at least stronger than old Huang Zhong.


> 
>           2.  Yue4 fei1 zhuan4;  In terms of wu3 yi4 the following
>           people impressed me the most:
> 
>               Gao1 chong3 who play a spear
>               Yang4 zai4 xing4, another spear user
>               Yue4 yun2 who uses hammers

How about Lu4 Wen2long2 who played two spears, Shao4 Ning2 who played a spear  
(who killed his father and then killed himself because of Yue Fei's accusation  
and moral education).

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: (xie hou yu) Re: impression
Organization: MITRE
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:33:07 GMT


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> 
Very interesting topic.  What is the answer?  Could anyone add more
xie-hou-yu in this article?


MSWD
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:45:13 EDT
From: <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...

>
>>   Please be reminded
>>   that ALL those Chinese students were sponsored by the Chinese government
>>   when they were at colleges in China.
>>
>    GUESS WHERE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT GOT THE MONEY TO SPONSOR THESE STUDENTS
> FOR COLLEGE EDUCATION???

> No need to guess. From Chinese people, right?
> So, those students owe Chinese people, OK?

Who are Chinese people? Are these students and their parents not Chinese people
? If Chinese people had a higher gross income and were tax-payers, do you think
it is fair to say these students own tuition to the government?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <1992Oct6.230045.1176@odin.corp.sgi.com> <97826@bu.edu> 
    <Bvr755.Dyr@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:21:11 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:

>But here, the Hu Lu, and Xiong Nu are minority groups. Someone might
>find the prove that the war was just an independent movement. (we are
>quite familiar in CSS) And that is the reason Yue Fei was an ultra
>leftest, or rightest? I'm not sure which side.

I think at that time they tryed to unite with China in a violent way. There must
be some benifits to them. For this reason, we can not let them go after they
got the benifits. And what bothers me is what if they use that way again.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: eddie@lgc.com (Eddie Xu)
Subject: HongFei Liu, please call me.
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx.
Distribution: houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:38:32 GMT

HongFei. Please contact me at work. I need to talk to you.

Best Regards

EXU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wl8f@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Wei  Liu)
Subject: Info about Cisapride needed
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:51:19 GMT

I NEED YOUR HELP!

I am trying to buy a medcine for my mother. It's name is CISAPRIDE
(brand name:Prepulsid), which is a prokinetic drug.  Up to now, it is not available in either
China or US.  I was told that it had been used in Europe and Canada
for several years.  One company in Canada sells it for 100$ per 100
pills. I am looking forward to find a place selling it with lower
price, cause for 8 pills/day the cost is 240$/month.  My questions are:

1. Do you know any company who sells it and I can buy it conviently?

2. What is the price?

Your information and suggestion is highly appreciated.  Please e-mail me your
reply.  Have a nice day!
--
***********************
*  Wendy Liu          *  
*  804-979-3703(Home) *
*  804-982-0959(Work) *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: look for one more Tsinghua person
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:20:00 GMT

In article <mhe.719105703@pv031c.vincent.iastate.edu>, mhe@iastate.edu (Min He) writes...
>In <14OCT199217361149@elroy.uh.edu> math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
> 
>>In article <2ADB77BB.12213@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes...
>>>Qiu, Yanping
>>>originally from Tsinghua Li-9 (Mechanics 79).  She propably has got a couple
>>>of degrees in the US.  If memory serves me well, she was admited by New Jersey
>>>Institute of technology when she came to the US in 1986.  I wish I knew where
>>>she and her husband are now.
>>> 
>>>shannon
>>>-------
>>What is this shannon ? Tryin to show some humanity ? Just what made you 
>>suddenly become so soft and sweet ? My eyes are wet now !
>>Thinking about your old friends ? Why not hate them ?! Cause they may also
>>become blood-carders .
>>Come on shannon , don't give us this, it only makes people sick !
> 
>Hey, who are you? What did this Shnnon Yeh bother you by posting an article
>looking for his Tsinghua friend? This net is full of groundless personal
>attacks toward this poor Shannon these days. Ask yourself, did you show
>any respect to his basic human right? He must have made all of you guys
>uneasy. Resort to some rational means to settle the issue. Such pointless
>personal attacks are just too cheap.

You think this is personal attack ? Then what is calling people blood-
carder,or ***** ?

Cheap ? Probably. But you don't see he is playing around even cheaper ?
So far every article he has posted except this one is full of hatry and
dirty words,but after being suspected as mentally insane or lack of
humanity,all of a sudden he becomes a gentle lovely man. Isn't that 
something ?
I can understand your sympathy about him,but you won't be so had you known
exactly what he has done.And the reason I posted that is because I don't
want him to play with people.

To tell you the truth,his existence doesn't bother us at all.This small
man can't change anything.What we feel is just angry,and we also have
the right to fight back.
> 
>IMPORTANT:
>Do not take me as a net police or Shannon's supporter. This is my first
>and also my last followup to this topic. I have killed all the articles
>with Shannon in the title, but this one just came through. I will try
>to kill by names.
From: zhang@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Where can I find S1216?
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:40:11 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Where can I find the S1216(or the summary of it)?

Thank you!
zhang@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Date: 13 Oct 1992 19:05:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <Bw2GID.913@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>
>>The mentioned few words, Kuai, Da Zha Lan, Si Gu (sillion valley) has been
>>discussed on SCC over and over. I found out people on SCC during TAM time
>>were honest. They did admit the error and fairly comitted to correct the
>>pronounciation. 
>What's wrong writing "Xi Gu" rather than "Si Gu"? 

Xi Gu may be in fact means west valley and there is one around.
Si Gu is more meaningful in all sense. It is not Chinese Pinyin, it is
a direct translation. Should we call Bush as Bu Shi (never die, __TV says so).
The Si Gu has nothing to do with Silk Valley, no connection at all.
The death valley has never been called as Si Gu, it is __ Wang Gu! :-)
Or, call it too   "hot to death"  valley.

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