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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Rickettsia, Giardia, & Cows at 12,000 ft.
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:44:03 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <7974@public.BTR.COM> rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com) writes:
>Are cows resistant to Giardia?  

Of course they are.  Cows cause Giardia.

>Perhaps a newspaper article announcing the names of suppliers selling
>*infected beef* would get the cows pulled for economic reasons.
 
Most cows are pulled for dairy reasons.

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:47:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.173321.20965@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
|>Something not mentioned in the article about cattle grazing in the bay
|>area relates to a recent decision regarding grazing on Mt. Diablo.  The
|>grazing cattle helped reduce the amount of underbrush and as a result
|>lessened the spread of wildfires.  If grazing cattle do have a impact
|>on wildfires I'd rather endure a few bovines with bells on than have an
|>entire area wiped out via wildfire.
|>
|Your comment is understandable but misses a critical point.  Several
|native plant species in the SF Bay Area will not propagate unless
|their seeds are scorched by fire.  Hence, fire supression serves to
|endanger these plants rather than protect them.
 
I suppose that is where you have to weigh having a few native plants 
in an area in the bay area to having a wildfire spread into a neighborhood
and destroy the homes of hundreds of people.

|BTW, the Park management's position has been that the fire
|prevention effect of grazing is not significant.  I don't have any
|way to judge the validity of this position but mention it because
|you may have been getting just one side of that issue.

I would imagine that the parks position would be that way if they didn't
want grazing in the park.  I have no way to judge the validity of their
claim either and was giving the other side of the issue since someone (you?)
left that out.  I wasn't just getting "one side of that issue".
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From: bwood@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Blake Philip Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Hiking in Yosemite in early October
Date: 8 Sep 1992 14:07:31 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

In article <1685BBBBE.MARGARET@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> MARGARET@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Margaret Krebs) writes:
>My husband and I are planning a week-long trip in Yosemite...
>I'm concerned about how cold is it likely to be.  
>Are we likely to get altitude sickness?

You have picked the right time to see Yosemite.  It is beautiful in
the fall, and there are few people.  It will probably get down a bit
below freezing at night.  It is possible, but very unlikely, to get
snow.  I wouldn't worry about altitude sickness.  Unless you climb
the peaks, you will probably be below 11,000' all of the time.
You will feel the elevation the first day, but after that it should
not be a problem.





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                 Blake P. Wood - bpw@ctxsys.lanl.gov (505) 665-6524
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From: psturm@sailor.esd.sgi.com (Peter Sturm)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: What tripod do you use when backpacking?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:40:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I have a Cullman tripod.   It weighs less than a lb, yet is full size

It's only problem was a funky ball-type swivel for the camera head.
I replaced that part.   Works fine with all but the biggest lenses.

Purchased at REI, I believe

Peter Sturm
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: frank@truevision.com (Frank Loffel)
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet. 
Organization: Truevision Inc., Indianapolis, IN
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 21:40:19 GMT

Capitol Reef NP has cows in the backcountry. They will get them out as soon
as the leases expire, in about 8 years or so.

Until then, the park should be renamed to 

"Capitol Beef National Park".

0.5 * :-)
 	
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-- Frank Loffel, Truevision, Inc., uunet!epicb!frank frank@truevision.com :-) --
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From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)
Subject: RAINIER Advice Needed
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:24:17 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

  Planning a trip to Mt. Rainier next year.  I have heard that most people climb
via the Emmons Glacier and Disappointment Cleaver routes, which is an excellent
argument for choosing another route.  So, if anyone out there has suggestions 
for alternate routes (we are not interested in near vertical routes) I'd like 
to hear them.  Also, if you can recommend a suitable guide book that would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
chrism@col.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca (Richard Reiner)
Subject: Re: Unleaded stoves ??
Organization: York University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:35:07 GMT

au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams) writes:

> currently have an old Svea white gas stove

> have thought of buying a new unleaded fuel stove.

You're in luck: the Svea works just fine on unleaded.  I have run mine
exclusively on unleaded for about a decade now, in a very wide variety
of environments ranging from Lousiana bayous to 5000m passes in the
Andes in winter.  It does accumulate some minor carbon deposits, and you
have to use the builtin cleaning needle a little more often than when
running on naptha (white gas), but it works very satisfactorily.  Heat
production is about the same as when using naptha, and so is the
difficulty of lighting.

-- 
Richard Reiner..............rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca..............416-538-3947

Ultimatum, n.  In diplomacy, a last demand before resorting to concessions.
  -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_.
From: shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Mail order equipment sources
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:20:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <Bu9wq8.7Kr@cs.dal.ca> armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong) writes:
>I am looking for mail order sources of good equipment at better than
>local prices. Specifically, I am now pricing Therm-a-Rest sleeping
>mats.

 Try the following:

 REI
 Sumner, WA  98352-0001
 
 Believe it or not that alone will get it there.  According to the guy I 
 talked to on the phone (we have a local REI outlet here in Austin) the
 reason there's no street address is because the Washington branch store
 has its own zip code.  Must be a pretty big building.  Phew.

 Their phone number is (800) 426-4840. 

 See also:

 Cabela's
 812 13th Avenue
 Sidney, Nebraska  69160

 (800) 237-8888 [customer service]

 Gander Mountain
 PO Box 248
 Wilmot, WI  53192-0248

 (800) 426-3371

 Im sure that for specific item any one of these outfitters will quote you a 
 price over the phone, and let you order too.

>If the net has been through this already, please reply by email.
 
 Actually, I've seen such requests occasionally before, but not to the extent
 that this will fall into the noise category.  Could help someone else out as
 well.

>Thanks.

 Certainly;

 Shawn Boyd
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: ari@world.std.com (Ari I Halberstadt)
Subject: Backpack recommendations and comments (e.g., Mountainsmith, Lowe)
Summary: Need help choosing internal ~5000cu in internal frame pack
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:34:25 GMT

Need help deciding which back pack to get for under a week hikes.
Packs I'm considering:

Model                       Vol (cu in)  Weight      Price
------------------------------------------------------------------
Mountainsmith Frost Fire II 5016         4lbs 14oz   $220
Lowe Contour IV             5400         5lbs 11oz   $225-$240
Mountainsmith Elite 4000    4894         5lbs 12oz   $305
Mountainsmith Elite 5000    5800         6lbs  1oz   $330
(Source: EMS pamphlet and prices from REI, L. L. Bean, and local stores.)

Any strong feelings about any of these packs? Other packs to consider?
Good/bad experiences with these packs?

Additional long article (about 7K) containing more detailed requirements
and comparisons of the above mentioned packs available on request (I didn't
want to clog the net).
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Ari Halberstadt  ari@world.std.com  #include <disclaimer.h>  #include <quote.h>
From: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:22:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Yes, in some.  Was Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

>As for the tent issue, I just happen to
>have a vestibule for Elvis (don't know why anyone would buy a
>tent without one).

I have a vestibule for Elvis, but all I ever find in
it are Bobby Vinton 45's.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: heycke@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Torsten Heycke)
Subject: Re: Desolation Wilderness Questions
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: Stanford U. Knowledge Systems Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:59:06 GMT

In article <BuC7tH.6Mx@taligent.com>, Jeff Wishnie <jwishnie@taligent.com>
wrote:
> 
> I plan to spend a weekend later this month in Tahoe's Desolation
> Wilderness.

Late September/early October is a great time for Desolation Wilderness. I
used to work at Fallen Leaf Lake (on the edge of the Wilderness) in the
Fall, Winter and Spring. Fall offers the nicest weather and there are
generally fewer people (as compared to the summer, when permits can
ocassionally be difficult to obtain). Desolation, despite its name, offers
many lakes. Pyramid, Jack's, Dick's and Tallac (peaks) offer great views. 

> 
> Does anyone know what permits I need and what the camping regulations
> are? 

You will need a wilderness permit (obtainable through the ranger stations).
I used to run virtually every day within the wilderness boundaries, and I
never saw a ranger. This doesn't mean you shouldn't get a permit. One of
the ways they determine how much money a Wilderness area gets is by use, so
a permit is a moral thing to do. 

Camping restrictions used to be the "usual" (don't camp too close to the
edge of lakes), but you should check with a ranger station about fires (I
wouldn't make one personally).

Torsten

"A horse may walk to water, but a pencil must be led."
From: revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info on Absorca Wild in MT
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:13:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of MSE at Illinois-Urbana

I did a 10-day backpack in the Absarokas very near the east entrance of
Yellowstone NP.  Flew into Cody, Wyoming, and hiked in leaving from "the
Boy Scout Camp," along Fishhawk Creek and up into the high mountain
meadows.  Didn't see anyone on the trip, on top of peaks you could see the
Tetons in the distance, the fishing was unbelievable, didn't see any bears
but their traces were everywhere, lots of sheep, tedious stream crossings
on the way up, amazing fossils on the peaks (e.g., entire petrified trees).
 For good background on the geology of this range, read Rising Up From the
Plains by John McPhee.  I'd go if I were you.

Judy Tolliver
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco)
Subject: Re: Moving to California
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:52:37 GMT

In rec.backcountry you write:

>Actually we already have too many Californians here. A certain
>segment of the Calif. populace is moving to Oregon and it's lowering
>the average intelligence of both states.  :-)

Native Californians or just American transients who were born in some
other state (other than Calif.); had a brief or extended stay here
and then moved on because this place didn't fit their idealistic
fantasy.

Where I work, of about 200 people, 5 are native Californians (2 are
from Oregon). And what about displacement? We send you our retired;
you send us your young. When was the last time you heard about CA natives
bashing out of staters? Okay, maybe at an S.F. Giants game, but we may
not have to worry about that anymore.

Sorry Hal to spoil your pristine environment, but every kid counts!
From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Water in Nepal/What do I do?
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:49:05 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au

In <Bu945E.8tn@rivm.nl> mtvahb@nl (Aldrik Bakema) writes:
>Danny James (Danny@sct.gu.edu.au) wrote:
> Hi, I have been to Nepal for three months, and only used iodine.
> Never got sick while on the trail, and always got sick in Kathmandu and
> Pokhara, eating and drinking what was served there.

I had a very similar experience in Nepal -- fine on the trail, sick in town!

> As for iodine treatment, we did not use the ready-made tablets, but used
> a small (30 milliliter) glass jar, added 4 grams of iodine cristals
> (bought them at the medicine counter of a drugstore) and added 20 milli-
> liters of the solution to each liter of water. After that we filled up
> the little glass jar again etc. etc.
> Works great, in 20 milliliter saturated iodine solution there is just
> enough iodine for a liter. Tablets are a bit easier, but for us the main advantage was that for three months water supply for two peaople we only needed 
> our small precious little container.

We used this same method with perfect results. I can only think of two
drawbacks with making your own saturated Iodine solution.
Firstly, Iodine is quite poisonous -- be careful with the crystals, don't 
consume them (the saturated solution has a tollerably small amount of in it).
Secondly, It is probably a good idea to choose a good container to make sure
that they won't leak in your pack. Apparantly (someone help please!) Iodine
is quite aggressive and a normal polythene container is not a good idea.

I now put a couple of drops of Betadine into water to purify it. Betadine
is a common Iodine based antiseptic. I find it handy this way because I
carry it in my first aid kit anyway.

For *good* info on health and welfare in Nepal, a book by Robert Swift (?)
called 'Treking in Nepal' published by the Sierra Club seemed (to me)
to be full of useful, practical and  commonsense ideas. Check it out!

> Have a nice trip!

Remember -- Don't look up until you see down!

Andrew.
p.s. mail me if you want (I didn't see you were from Brisbane till I was
just about to post this!)
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From: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:22:51 GMT
Subject: Outback Oven - A Review
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
From: lacroute@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Lacroute)
Subject: Re: Outback Oven - A Review
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:10:58 GMT

Kate Gregory writes:
>Please, someone, spin me tales of banana bread, of chocolate
>cake, of pilaf, anything that really really needs an oven.

Well, I've made yeasted cranberry-walnut rolls from scratch in the
Outback Oven.  They came out golden-brown on the bottom, light and
airy and fully cooked all the way through, and they rose beautifully
(right up to the top cover of the pan).  This was at 10,000 ft. with a
light breeze (I'm used to baking with twiggy fires, and a breeze
usually means disaster!)  I used a Puke-1 with the lowest possible
flame, and put a bandana over the opening on top in order to keep more
heat inside--otherwise, the top doesn't cook as quickly as the bottom.
The only real limitation of the Outback Oven is that the pan isn't
deep enough to cook a large loaf, but roll or cake-shaped things work
wonderfully.

Phil
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:40:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.144422.965@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst) writes:
>In article <14534@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> 
|>Unfortunately there might also be fewer hunters.
|>
|	This is a problem?? :-) It's not like they're an endangered
|species!
|
They're also people.

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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Alexander Mackenzie bicentennial trek
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:39:24 GMT

The first non-native transcontinental voyageur, Alexander Mackenzie, reached th
e Pacific coast in British Columbia on July 22, 1793. I'm told he placed his gr
afitti on a rock in what is now a park in B. C. testifying to his feat, and the
re is now in progress a bicentennial celebration of this fact going on wherein
people are folowing his route from the east to the west. A friend of mine is
going for the last leg, a 45 mile stretch of trail through the Rainbow Mountain
s next summer, planning to end up at the rock on July 22, 1993. Anybody got
more information on this event?
 
Thanks,
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Hiking through a forest fire
Keywords: hiking, fires
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:49:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep15.140936.25194@hellgate.utah.edu> allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>
>Most people do not realize that it does not take much
>for a fire to "restart" it self.  Rain does help dampen a fire but for
>the most part many of the western states have had drought for the past
>six years.  This means that the vegetation is bone dry ie no water.

Scientists could go a long way toward learning to control forest fires,
by studying why it is that that same vegetation refuses to ignite when
one is cold, wet, hungry, shivering, and trying to start a camp-fire.

To those who thought I really wanted a law banning shaving in the wilderness:
the above is a joke, OK?  (Besides, if your moral fiber doesn't prevent you
from shaving, no mere law can help.)


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: manning@usdev.enet.dec.com (ANNE MANNING)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: south rim treks to phantom ranch
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:51:36 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


can anyone describe for me the hikes on the south kaibab, bright angel trails
from the south rim of the grand canyon?  i have the books that describe terrain,
distance, height, etc.

i am planning of hiking these trails in a week.  i have a fear of heights and
want to know if one or both of these trails are consistently exposed (!) to the
edge of the cliff so to speak.  i'm sure i can make it through some exposed
areas, but i doubt i would feel comfortable with 6.2 miles of it. also, tell me
that there is always a wall to one side of me!!!!!  and, when you give way to
the mules that it is always the wall side!!!!!

i already have the lo-down on the suspension bridge.  why, you ask, did i pick
a trip to the grand canyon?!  why ask why.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info on Absorca Wild in MT
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:00:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <revillot-080992150757@mm-mac20.mse.uiuc.edu> revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver) writes:
>I did a 10-day backpack in the Absarokas very near the east entrance of
>Yellowstone NP.  Flew into Cody, Wyoming, and hiked in leaving from "the
>Boy Scout Camp," along Fishhawk Creek and up into the high mountain
>meadows.  Didn't see anyone on the trip, on top of peaks you could see the
>Tetons in the distance, the fishing was unbelievable, didn't see any bears
>but their traces were everywhere, lots of sheep, tedious stream crossings
>on the way up, amazing fossils on the peaks (e.g., entire petrified trees).

But what about cows?  What good is a trip report if you don't tell us if
you saw any cows?
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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Desolation Wilderness Questions
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:13:01 GMT

In article <heycke-100992104340@ksl-mac-66.stanford.edu> heycke@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Torsten Heycke) writes:
> I used to run virtually every day within the wilderness boundaries, and I
> never saw a ranger. This doesn't mean you shouldn't get a permit. 

In that particular area you need a permit even for day hikes.  There is
no quota on those, however.

>One of the ways they determine how much money a Wilderness area gets is 
>by use, so a permit is a moral thing to do. 

Nope, individual park and forest funding is determined by a
Congressional "pork barrel" process even more blatant and contemptible
than the one for military bases.  It has *nothing* to do with 
use levels.


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Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: Danny@sct.gu.edu.au (Danny James)
Subject: Homemade water filter
Originator: Danny@tomahawk.me.gu.edu.au
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 01:45:27 GMT

I was thinkink of making a homemade water filter to be used
after the additionof iodine to untreated water since the cost of
the simplest filter is about $AUS100

My idea was to use some poly-pipe and fill it with activated charcoal
and put scintered teflon (or filter paper and s-steel gauze) at either
end to keep it in there

Has anyone out there tried to make a dodgey filter?
Any ideas

Danny


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Division of Science and Technology | Email:
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