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From: frostmd@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Matthew Frost)
Subject: Re: Future show/A1200
Organization: CompSci Dept., Aston University, U.K.
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:16:01 GMT

pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell) writes:
: In article <1992Nov13.102648.3403@aber.ac.uk> ajr@aber.ac.uk writes:
: >
: >PS. One problem with the Show - it was packed out on Saturday with kids
: >after Sega and Nintendo stuff. I could have picked up a few bargains but I
: >just wanted to get out of there. Can anyone comment on the rumour that a
: >riot occurred outside later that day when tickets ran out?
: 
 
It was bad on the Sunday too, everbody wanting Sonic2, Streetfighter II
etc. Ugh give me last years World of Commodore anyway.

Incidentaly even though it was a multi format show, it didnt make much
difference as there were Amigas Just about everywhere!

: 
: -- 
: Peter Mitchell - Senior Design Engineer.   | 
: Dept.92941, TXE Engineering,               |        SCSI FOREVER!
: NT Europe LTD.                             |
: peter.mitchell@lon40.nt.com                | 

I went to the show on the Sunday and it was BAAAAD for us ticket holders.
We are glad we got there early (8:30) because there were millions of them.

A funny thing happened to me actually: I the first 3 minutes I was in the door
I managed to get chucked off the Commodore Stand! I went to this 1200 and
thought Hmmmm, Pinball Dreams, nah, reboot and have a look at this new boot
menu thing. So there I am happily playing about on the boot menu thinking.
Oh I'll reboot it afterwards and cause the disk is in the drive it'll reload
again. Anyway, this CBM guy comes upto me and says
"Why did you reboot that?"
ME:
"Oh, I am only looking at the boot menu, I'll put it back when I am finished"
CBM:
"I've just spent 10 minutes swapping the disks to get that loaded and you have
reset it, go on, clear off..."

And he starts to reboot it again. Anyway I went back later and somebody had 
obviously done it again cause the machine had got WB running.
Moral: dont setup games that require disk swaps when techno buffs and malicious
kids are around.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: AGA SPECS SOLUTION!
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:22:22 GMT

	There has been a gigantic fuzz about whether C= should release
the AGA hardware specs or not.  This is due that C= wants to ensure that
all new programs (or as much as they can) are written using the OS, so
that if there's an upgrade to the chipset, the programs will easily run.

	But also there is the group of people who want to bang the 
hardware directly, to get the most out of the machince... well, 
here's THE SOLUTION:  Use the...

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#       #     # #     # #     #
 #####  ####### #     # ######
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#       #    #  #     #    #    #     # #     # #     # #
#       #     # #######    #    #######  #####  ####### #######


   What is the SHOP Protocol?  S]ystem H]ardware O]perating P]rocedures.

   Now, future software can run on AGA, X-AGA, Super AGA, Ultra-AGA and
the Super Duper RISC based with virtual reality copprocessors - AGA 
(SDRVR-AGA).  Here's how it works:

   Each time a program loads, and needs hardware banging (like BLAZEMONGER),
it will do some system querires.  Basic hardware registers will be
specified, like for example: HardwareScroll register, Sprite 0 DMA data
read register, etc. along with its data type (byte, word, long word).

   The SHOP Protocol will return the EXACT ADDRESS in hardware of those
registers.  Ah, yes, add also the BltCrl, BltStart, etc.  In that way,
the programs (including VR-BLAZEMONGER) will be able to access the 
hardware directly, but they will self-modify in such a way that no
matter how C= tries to make the new AGA's totally incompatible with
previous chipsets, the software (including EURO-DEMOS) will run 
without a glitch!

   Of course, a basic set of operations has to be specified, but the
SHOP PROTOCOL will get richer in hardware addresses with new releases
of AGA chipsets (like the scheduled for November 16, 2003 SDRVR-AGA, 
which can rotate, zoom, give pleasure and torture the users in real-time!).

   So all that C= has to do is define an abstract set of hardware registers,
support them with The SHOP PROTOCOL and voila!

  Happy Happy Joy Joy!

------------------------------------------------------
  Raist   // Amiga 500, 38Mhz Special MegaMidget Racer
        \X/  Avid user of AmigaVision, sending mail from Mayaguez, Puerto Rico 
---------




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        \X/  Avid user of AmigaVision, sending mail from Mayaguez, Puerto Rico 
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           "If the PC or Mac continues to be the standard,
            the SkyNet will never be built." - OUCH! were not my words!
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:07:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1eb5buINNdev
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <Bxu744.KnM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:
>
>He's got a Sega Genesis and he figures that since it has a 68000 chip in it,
>that it's as good as or better than the Amiga.  He won't let me crack the
>cover on his Sega, so could someone please give me some good stats so I
>can show him what really better.

   The Sega has a 68000 running at ~8MHz. It is capable of displaying 64 colors
out of a palette of 256 colors. There are 10 channels of audio (or was that
voices?). The Sega Genesis is also capable of using 80 sprites - 10x more than
the Amiga. (The Sega-CD adds rotation and scaling hardware to the system, and
boosts system performance to ~12MHz. It also adds CD quality audio.)
   In all honesty, I'd say that they are similar in capability. You can bicker
over fine points, but it's really moot. I still consider Sonic one of the best
all-around games I've ever seen for any platform. It's really a matter of how
you use the hardware as to which performs better.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                       Willy Beamish Development Team
All opinions expressed are my own.                      (MS-DOS CD-ROM, Sega-CD)
ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu, BIX: ggiles                   Author of DiskInfo, ZSound
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: MORE POLITICS! Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:08:23 GMT

In article <root.02ul@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>According to an article in the Boston Sunday Globe for 11/15/92:
>
>Clinton's top economic adviser said that action on many of his campaign
>promises, including a middle-class tax cut, will be postponed until the
>economy is strong enough to sustain new pressures on the federal budget.
>
>Hah!
>
>Business as usual.

Hmmm... maybe there ought to be another election.

I think it is hilarious how Clinton shows his true self after putting
on for the election.

This is great - it is SO OBVIOUS how Clinton totally duped all those 
STUPID voters out there into voting for him.

>Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
>
>		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
>
So Rick, you like own an Amiga store that has Internet, or what?
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Amiga or Messy-DOS
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:34:44 GMT

>ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>	Not all clones are pieces of junk as you imply.  There are some very
>>   reliable clones out there that are high quality.  My Gateway 2K 486 has
>>   never had a single problem.

I have had my A500 for over two years with never a problem.  I am even
running an external floppy, SCSI harddisk, and extra RAM from the original
power supply.  Just because a system lasts does not mean it is a dream
system.

>>   Dell PC's are very nice also.  Commodore is
>>   not exactly perfect when it comes to reliability either.  My A500 had
>>   many problems, including bad chips, bad floppy drive, bad keyboard, and
>>   a 2002 monitor that was terrible.  I knew someone that had a A3000 with
>>   similar problems, so I wouldn't say that the Amiga was more reliable then
>>   PC clones.

You and your friend have had bad luck, but neither Amigas or PC-clones are
perfect.  There are many more factors involved in choosing an Amiga or a
PC-clone.  I'd take both if I could afford to.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: adrake@bluemoon.use.com (Andy Drake)
Subject: Comdex
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:15:50 EST

Has anyone seen Commodore booth at Comdex or gotten any information about 
what they are showing? I thought that the A1200 was to be shown there with 
general introduction later, but noone seems to know much at this point. 
Comments?

 This is from
     adrake@bluemoon.use.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:38:16 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov10.110132.6269@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.231209.18772@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
> > x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> >>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
> >>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
> >>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
> >>and multitasking.  Hence, OS/2, 16 megs of memory, 24 bit coprocessed
> >>graphics, an Sound Blaster Pro.
> > 
> > All that says is you expanded one system more than the other and then
> > looked for similarities.  You will find few.
> > 
> > -- Gerald
> 
> 
> 	I would have been happy to expand my Amiga 2000.  But the
> iBM bridgeboard was  and still is  a ripoff.  I couldn't improve
> the graphics in such a way that I could hope to have any apps
> support it.  The software support was dismal, I couldn't upgrade
> the sound very much cheaply.  And add a hard drive?  Only if I
> wanted to pay some major bucks (compared to an IBM compatible).

So, how did you figure that out, you use the *exact* **same** cards to
expand the bridgeboard as you do a normal PC-Clone.  That's what all those
AT-slots are for.

> 	Moreover, many Amiga nuts (including myself, I used to claim
> that my Amiga could do Cad faster than any IBM due to its graphics
> coprocessing) fail to look at the reality of things.  The Amiga 500
> and 2000 are good for 7 mhz machines, but they are still just 7 mhz (7.7).

And you expect to wave a magic wand and suddenly have it faster?  But, of
course, you sank all that money into your PC-Clone, and want to compare it
to an unexpanded 2000 or 500.

> It does show on many things including games.  I also like to play games
> and the latest Amiga offerings just can't hold a candle to what my
> IBM can do.  That is, except for arcade games which the Amiga still does
> generally nicer than IBMs.  But then again, I could go buy a Sega
> Genesis to take care of that if I had a need for shoot em up games.

There is good/bad software available for all platforms.

> 	I just don't see good space flight games anymore for the Amiga
> that are comparible to IBM games and as someone said, there will never
> be a Falcon 3.0 like game for the Amiga or a good Ultima Underwords
> type game simply because the major software vendors are not going
> to waste money developing for a machine that has sold only about
> 5 million since its birth.

All this, and he's an industry insider, too.

> 							-Brad

Glenn Doiron
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jhp3x@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Howard Porter)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:53:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.180332.25257@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <rjpogain.722158851@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
>writes:
>
>>With all this fuss about wanting a Word calibre word processor for the Amiga,
>>has anyone seen Final Copy II?  This is supposed to all the features that
>>everyone seems to want!


Does it do tables?  What are some of its shortcomings?? Lets talk
about what else we want in a WP for the Amiga... I was looking for a
new one to buy.. But what is still missing out there??

Jeff
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EMPLANT vs. QUADRA P
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 14 Nov 92  11:14:00

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: BxMuI4.IxB@news.iastate.edu
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> >You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
>
>   The price of the Quadra plus $300.

What ARE you on about now?  What are you trying to say, man?

A Quadra CAN'T emulate the Amiga.  At least not currently - there are no
Amiga emulators for the Quadra.

If you are trying to imply that you can buy a Quadra and an A500 and be
equivalent or better to an A4000 and a Mac emulator, then may I just say:

BAHAHA.

yahright.

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:42:53 GMT

In <1992Nov23.125147.342@ludd.luth.se> pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m) writes:
>	Seriously, has anybody ever built a computer with one common
>address/data bus?

Sure. Many systems have a multiplexed bus that carries address and data
information. The advantage is that the bus needs less space (fewer wires/traces)
but has the disadvantage that you need to latch the address information
somewhere. DRAM boards didn't have that problem since the RAM chips themselves
can latch (part of) the address.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard)
Subject: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Originator: remilld@vogt.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:36:03 GMT

Hello all.  I'm trying to shut up one of my friends...


He's got a Sega Genesis and he figures that since it has a 68000 chip in it,
that it's as good as or better than the Amiga.  He won't let me crack the
cover on his Sega, so could someone please give me some good stats so I
can show him what really better.

I am seemingly un-impressed by Sega's graphics and sound.  I'd figure
that for a dedicated games machine with more voices than Amiga for sound
that it should run way better.  

BTW, he figures that the Amiga is strictly a games machine.....So naturally
I want to show him that the Sega is nothing but a piece of shit....


Thanks alot, and keep up the flames...


-- 
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MicroLab Assistant			REMILLD@ccu.umanitoba.ca
University of Manitoba			REMILLD@ccm.umanitoba.ca
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Falcon has a 16 bit bus
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov22.194259.18742@ludd.luth.se> pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m) writes:
> In <37212@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> 
> >> Yes, the Falcon has a 16 bit data bus and a 24 bit address bus.
> >> Just like the Mac LCII and Classic.  DSP or no, the Falcon doesn't 
> >> sound quite so attractive anymore, does it?
> 
> >There were rumors to the effect that this was the bus interface it provided
> >at the "expansion slot", but are you *sure* that the internal bus is 16-bit?
> >I would really doubt it, so please check you facts before spreading more
> >mis-information.
> 
> 	Someone just posted in comp.sys.atari.tech a quote from Atari itself
> that said something like "The Falcon has a 24 bit address bus and a 16 bit
> data busm which is reflected by the expansion bus." My impression was
> that it indeed is 16 bit from CPU to memory.
> 
> 		/Peter

Interesting.  The Falcon literature from the Comdex show lists under
specifications, system architecture:

* BUS: 32-bit data, 32-bit address.

Of course it is somewhat ambiguous as to whether they are talking about
the processor or system at that point and everyone seems to agree that
it implements only a 24-bit address space.

Another amusing one is that they list "Super VGA" graphics, but then
describe it as 640*480 256-colors, which I'd consider not-very-super
in PC land SVGA terms.  If that's SVGA, then we've got it too.  8-)

Reading spec's can be somewhat amusing, I've seen some of the things
that our people have come up with that needed a little friendly
technical editing...

Please note that I wasn't particularly contesting the information
presented, whether it was derived from an Atari mouthpiece or not,
but simply saying that it was worth double-checking before being
used as fuel for another pointless flame-fest.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:33:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.174003.19508@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>Quoth jagrizza@uncc.edu:
>]> > /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ 
>]> >(  10 rem *** Nice program! ***             |   Letters: abcdefghijklmnopq    )
>]> > ) 20 print"Espen Skoglund is my name. ";   |            rstuwxyzABCDEFGHI   (
>]> >(  30 goto 20                               |            JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ    )
>]> > \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/
>]> 
>]> this is my first flame (ever!) but this really has to be done...
>]> 
>]> can you kill this sig??  *PLEASE??*
>
>Why?
>
>Is there something offensive in this fellow's .sig?  Hm, repetitive program
>in BASIC (ack), some dashes, the alphabet.  Hm, nothing I can see...

An alphabet without a lowercase 'v'.

>Brain police?
>-- 
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> The opinions expressed in this message are thoughtful, reasoned, and logical.
>      	It goes without saying that they are not those of my employer.
>*******************************************************************************

And will you PLEASE do something about your fungus.  :)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:35:43 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

csmith@terapin.com (Colin Smith) writes:

> Hi. I call Pirate BBSs every now and then And I keep wondering, How come they
> never get caught? I mean, Pirating is illegal isn't it? I would think
> Government or someone would crack down on these guys!!

Well, if one get cought there is someone else there to take his (her?) 
place. It's tough competition in the pirate world and most of them 
never last longer than two years before they either get cought or more 
often realize that there is no point in doing it. But as said, there 
are always a constant feed of new pirates to take on.


---
"Piracy is theft." / FAST
"Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Upsurge in CD-I ads
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:12:38 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <BxvtHC.217@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
>In article <Rick_Kelly.077c@amicol.UUCP> Rick_Kelly@amicol.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>In a message dated Sat  7 Nov 92  0:27, Paula_lieberman@amicol.uucp (paula 
>>wrote:
>>Quoting seems to work for me.
>>What can I say?
>
>How about "test" in the subject line... :)
>
>>Rick Kelly     rkamiga.UUCP   and other sites
>>
>>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>>
>--Jason Balicki
>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

Yeah, I probably should have.

Since she has said so many times that she couldn't put quoted text into
followups, it finally piqued my curiosity.  I couldn't imagine that a 
widely used package like DLG Pro would be broken in this way.

I was quite surprised when I found that there were complete directions at
the bottom of the screen, and posted without thinking.

Normally, I only call amicol.UUCP ( aka Amiga Colony ) to find PD software.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:13:45 GMT

In article <6mx12an@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:

>That BEAUTIFUL, AMAZING new palette requester, one of the main reasons I put
>my life on the line by posting a review of a beta 3.0 WorkBench, is **NOT**
>included in Wb 2.1?? Does that mean the Gadgets drawer is also absent?

So says the powers that be.

>I liked MultiPlayer, too...
>Well, sh*t... what **IS** in WB 2.1???

CrossDOS, localization, increased consistency in look and feel, a nifty time
zone display, and good karma :).