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From: bing@Apple.COM (Christopher R. Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.audio.pro,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:27:17 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Sep11.151201.21095@intelhf.hf.intel.com> dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:

>So, what's the story on earplugs these days? I see ads for various hi-tech
>plugs that alledgedly attenuate more flatly than do the old foam-wad types.
>Do they really work? I don't want to pay >$30 for some IUD-looking device
>that hurts and doesn't do any better than the cheap foam.

I have some custom-molded ones.  They're not perfect, but they are 
significantly better than the cheap foam plugs.  At $80, they aren't cheap.
I think it's certainly worth it to save your hearing.

BTW, I still use the foam plugs occasionally: I keep them stashed here and
there for when I forget the good ones or don't want to risk losing them.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.audio.pro,rec.music.synth
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:51:39 GMT

In article <BuFAHq.Boq@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.151201.21095@intelhf.hf.intel.com> dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
>>
>>As I get older and deeper in debt for recording gear I'm becoming more
>>concerned with preserving what's left of my hearing. The occasional concerts
>>and live gigs I do leave my ears ringing for days now, and sometimes they
>>start ringing spontaneously in a quiet room. I know this is a bad sign and
>>it's time to take action. 
>
>Definitely recommended are the E-A-R plugs, made by
>
>EAR Division
>Cabot Corporation
>7911 Zionsville rd.
>Indianapolis, IN. 46268
>
>These are the things issued out here to the folks who work out on the
>flight line, and they do an excellent job of reducing noise while still
>keeping the overall frequency response of your ears flat.  I don't know
>how much they cost; they buy them by the thousands and have drums of
>them at each entrance to the hangars.
>
>Whatever plugs you start using, do it now.  Hearing damage is progressive
>and insidious.
>--scott

I know the E-A-R plugs are very effective, and they are very cheap.  I
bought a big box for $20 which is more than a lifetime supply for one
person and they work out to about $ 0.05 per pair.  However, they are
definitely non-linear and not what a musician may want.  There are
ones which are very effective and are also very linear (and
much more expensive).  I am interested in these as is the person with
the original post. So if anyone knows the brand and suppliers, please
let us know.
-- 
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 3701 Carling Ave., Ottawa, Ont.K2H 8S2, CANADA  Internet: ted@dgbt.doc.ca
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:01:02 GMT

>The best band leader in everyone in the band. The whole is greater than
the
>sum of its parts.

True, however the lead singer is the "window" to the band.  I don't think
they
have to always take a "leader" position in a band.  In fact, the best way 
I have seen bands work is more of a collaborative effort with the lead
singer acting as the front person.  That's always worked well for me.
And it does tend to have the band look more "together" that way.

Myles
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: TX16W, oh Lawdy how I want one...
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:32:46 GMT

williams8572@iscsvax.uni.edu (fEAR AND lOATHING IN cEDAR fALLS) writes:

>   Anybody out there wanting to sell their TX16W sampler?  I do not have $1000
>bucks to spend on one (as one priced recently was going for with disks) but I
>am quite intertested in obtaining one.  Respond directly to me and hopefully 
>we can do some talking.

Did you ever really use one? The 16W's got the most f*cked up operating system
I've ever seen, MSX-floppy drive (!), OS on floppy (slow loading) and no SCSI.
But it sounds great! :) (I know, 'cause I own one - and it's *not* for sale).


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra                            hjv@phil.ruu.nl
Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Play Music! (was Re: Show tips & tricks)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:07:48 GMT

Screw this idea that you have to be an ass to get people to like you.
 
I used to play for an ultra-image/fashion-conscious new wave band.
We had pyrotechnics, choreography, stupid jokes, eye contact, audience
interaction, electronic tuners, the whole shebang. I used to jump into
the audience playing wireless guitar. The whole time, we'd have to always
stand up straight and look cool and just keep up the big image.
 
In the early days of my old band, we had a Jim Morrison clone who
claimed that audiences wanted a good looking front man. After we kicked his
drunk ass out of the band, we suffered no losses in audience.
 
As far as playing well, the music was always too loud and nobody would
know either way. I've played plenty of shows when I was sick and wouldn't
move or just felt pissed off, but we always got the same reaction as when
I was trying to be the big star.
 
The best show I ever went to was to see Bill Nelson (ex Be Bop Deluxe).
He just stood there and played and sang as well as he could. So did his band.
The show would have been better if it was in a nice auditorium with good
acoustics where they didn't have to play so loud. The rest of the audience
(mostly trendy new-wavers) loved his show.
 
I gave up playing live for a myriad of reasons. If I ever play live again,
I will just play. Any clever antics will just come naturally and not of
boredom on my part. If my audience wants dancers or lights and Mick Jagger
shaking his butt, then they will be disappointed. What's the point of
live music if you aren't getting any music to speak of, just a big act?
 
As I said, screw that crap!
 
Of course, this is just my 2 cents! And all *IMHO*!!!!! ;-)
 
--Eric
 
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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9487 alt.guitar:7946
From: WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Strat Plus Ultra question(s)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:11:43 GMT
 <1992Sep10.155901.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> <BuDxuA.CID@cup.hp.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <BuDxuA.CID@cup.hp.com>, balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon) says:
>
>        Has anyone played the new Strat Plus Deluxe Ultra Custom ?
>        I think this is just like the Eric Johnson model with a
>        few of the features of the Eric Clapton model. Great guitars.
>
Oh yeah.  They are too cool.  The Strat Plus Deluxe Ultra Custom has a
fretboard just like the one on the Eric Johnson model and the  whammy bar from
the Eric Clapton model.  The pickups were cloned from old '59 Strats and offset
the same amount of the Robert Cray Custom model.  I heard the knobs were left
over from pre-CBS days that a janitor found in a box on a high shelf in Leo's
private washroom.  It is, all in all, a most fabulous instrument.  After I
bought mine I noticed I was suddenly able to play "Cliffs of Dover" even
though it sounded a bit like "Badge" in spots.

Brian Waugh                       |    "What's for dinner?"
WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU    |  Irv "Too Loose" Lautrec
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9497 alt.guitar:7956
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Strat Plus Ultra question(s)
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:02:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Sep11.170216.9523
Organization: Logic Modeling Inc of Beaverton Oregon

In article <BuDxuA.CID@cup.hp.com> balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon) writes:
>
>	Has anyone played the new Strat Plus Deluxe Ultra Custom ? 
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Is it just me, or does anyone else out there think this
	has gotten a bit out of hand?  Is the "Plus Deluxe Ultra
	Custom" like an encoding of different options that can be
	had in sixteen variants (None to all?)

	I feel so insignificant owning a guitar with a puny little
        designator like "ES-150DCW."


	- Larry "I feel much better now" Huntley


-- 
         (larryh@lmc.com)         | You played golf; you watched football;
     Logic Modeling Corporation   |   you drank beer -- we EVOLVED!
          Beaverton,  OR          |         - Rhonda,  "Thing-Fish"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: jay@cmn3.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Is cochlear regeneration possible?(was:Earplugs...)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:35:40 GMT

Anyone interested in hearing damage and the possible regeneration of  
cochlear hair cells should see the September 4 issue of SCIENCE, pages  
1344-1345.  It appears that the authors have demonstrated hair cell  
regeneration in birds.  It has heretofore been considered impossible to  
get regeneration of these critical cells in warm-blooded animals.  This  
should not be taken as license to abuse your hearing, since it has not  
been demonstrated in humans (and may never be...),  but it may hold some  
hope for the future.  Still, the best advice is take care of your hair  
cells, 'cause when they're gone, so is your hearing...

Jay Kadis
jay@ccrma.stanford.edu
From: mike@banana.fedex.com (Mike Bearden)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: info on Traynor YGL-3 Mark III
Keywords: traynor
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:54:01 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Federal Express Corp.





  can someone give me some info on the Traynor YGL-3 Mark III amplifier.
  how much power?  tube types?  how often tubes need changing?
  reasonable selling/buying price?

  it has 2 channels, 2-12" speakers, and reverb.

  i am new in this field.  would this be a good starter amp for a semi-
  serious player (not me:-), and does it have enough ooomph for a live
  band situation?

  thanks in advance for any info you can give me.

  mike bearden
  memphis, tn
From: tnguyen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thinh Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: FORSALE: Synth, Midi/Audio, etc ...
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:33:00 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server



       I have some Midi/Audio stuff for sale all in good to exe. condition, and 
   never been leave home(in bay area) all come with manuals, and some has
   box and some don't:

    1/ Roland D-10 Midi Multi timbral Synthesizer.
        - LA sound, 128 preset, 64 programmable tone, and 64 preset
          rhythm tones.
        - Build in effect such as revert, pan , room effect....
        - Free Music Quest editor/library for PC,D10 drum programming
          book, PD software, sound ...
       price: $550. 

    2/ Midi guitar GK1/GM70 Roland.
       - Put into your favorite guitar, voila you have Midi guitar
       - Programmable patchs.
       - Can send to 4 diff. sound modules from 4 separate branchs
         of each patch at same time.
       price: $450.

    3/ TX81Z Yamaha sound module
       - Performance mode and Multi Timbral mode.
       - Midi in/out/throu.
       price: $250.

    4/ PK-5 Roland Midi Pedal Controller.
         - One full Octave "foot" keyboard.
	 - Programmable patchs.
	 - Mono/Poly mode.
       price: $300
    
    5/ X-15 FOSTEX Multitrack Portable Cass.
         - 4 track record ( but only two at a time)
         - Ping/pong'able between tracks
         - On board EQ., punch in/out remote control included.
         - No manual, but easy to figure out.
        Price: $90/BO.

     6/ SR-101 Shure 8 Mic/line Mixer
         - 8 XLR/line in with Phantom Power, Aux send/return.
         - It's old and ugly(compare with Mackie!!) but it worked.
         - No manual, but easy to figure out, and rackable too.
        Price: $75/OB
   
     Email or call me after 7PM (San Jose,CA)if you're interest 
   or need more info. to these items above, shipping is not include.
      
     Email address: tnguyen@cup.hp.com
     Home Phone   : (408)729-8160
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal)
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:02:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: earplugs

In article <1992Sep11.200222.28828@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, laucht@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Matthias Laucht) writes:
|> Glad to hear there is growing interest in ear plugs.
|> 
|> Have you considered the audience's perspective on performances with such
|> high SPL levels that earplugs are needed?
|> 
|> [plus many examples of excess sound pressure levels]

This seems to come up in the group every now and then and I don't want to start
a "Sound pressure vs. tone" war (or protracted struggle) but since I just sat
and read during the previous conflicts I thought I would responed to this.

I have been fighting this ever since I rediscoved music in my overly high tech.
life and stared going to clubs and playing music after about a 10 year layoff
about 4 years ago.  There is one club in my area that gets great acts but I 
refuse to go anymore because of the excessive (IMHO) sound levels even for
basicly acoustic acts.  An additional sad part about this is that when I did
go there the customers would always be in the back half of the room standing
where up front there would be nice tables and chairs that nobody would use.
I feel that this isolates the performers from there audiences.  It is this
closeness that is the reason I go to bars and small clubs vs. the big shows.

I my band situation, I am the only one that wears earplugs (as stated in a 
earlier post).  My "mates" wanted me to get a bigger amp since they can't 
hear me in a approx. 10' X 20' room with my TKO 65 wide open and nobody greater
than 8' away.  I refused.  I have brought up audience sound levels and how are
we going to control this but the answer seems to be "as loud as we can get
away with".  Since we have not played out yet I have not had to confront this
issue.

In general, I feel very much in the minority in this in that the whole
industry seems to feed on more volume.  Clubs state what great sound systems
they have where it seems that great = loud not necessarly quality of sound
reporduction.  Amp manufactures push larger (and more expensive and I asume
higher profit) systems (like pictures of various "gods" with 2-4 full stacks
implying this is where there tone comes from, that's alot of pumping gas !!).
I must admit though that at least in my area in the last year or so it seems
that the combo amp is coming back (maybe there backs gave out before there
ears !!).

Sorry to get carried away but this has been a bit of a battle for me.


|> 
|> Recently I have become concerned about the effect of such levels
|> on my children.
|> 
|>

My just turned 12 year old daughter is into Amy Grant now so maybe I am
safe for awhile ( ;-) ).

|> -- 
|> Dr. C. Matthias Laucht, Assoc. Prof.    Internet: laucht@cs.umanitoba.ca
|> Dept. of Computer Science               Phone:    (204) 474-6339 (direct)
|> University of Manitoba                            (204) 474-8313 (messages)
|> Winnipeg, MB, Canada  R3T 2N2           Fax:      (204) 269-9178

-- 

			John

********
Opinions of John Deal at deal_j@apollo.hp.com
********
From: Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: SynthAxe Drumitar?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:57:20 GMT
Reply-To: Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith)

In article <1992Sep8.054202.16423@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>  
smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
> 
> >In a previous article, smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) says:
> 
> >>ability to go wireless and run around the place...
> 
> >  The first points, perhaps, but the part about the wireless, I somehow
> >doubt. Roy's datastream is a bit more complicated than a regular ol' analog
> >waveform coming out of a microphone or a guitar, even if the use none of 
> >...
> 
>    Haven't you heard about MIDI wirelesses? (wireli?:) But, since he isn't
> using much of the original SynthAxe, there may or may not be any MIDI
> components onboard. In that case, he could have something built that would
> mix all his trigger outputs into one signal and use a regular analogue
> wireless, then restore the individuals.

I saw Bela this past weekend, and before (and after) the show, Roy was out  
talking to folks. One of the things that came up was whether or not he was  
going to be going wireless. His response was that he was working on this. As  
somewhat of an aside, before the show, he was apparently being interviewed, and  
I listened in. He talked about a whole bunch of stuff, which was all quite  
fascinating. One thing was sort of a "progression of percussion instruments",  
specifically drums, going from a single drum (being played by 2 hands), to a  
drum kit (played using 2 hands and 2 feet) to the drumitar (played again by 2  
hands, but using the fingers as "drum sticks"). The drumitar, he felt, will  
allow him to extend where drums are going. He wants to be able to relate to a  
piece harmonically as well as rhythmically. He feels he can do this with the  
drumitar since he has ready access many many percussion instruments. For more  
info, you'll have to check out the interview (I've know idea what mag, perhaps  
"Drummer"), but the interviewer was taping it, so you should be able to read  
about this, and a whole bunch of other stuff as well.

  For all you "gear" heads, Roy's rack contained the following:

  2 Alesis D4s
  1 Simmons unit (dunno which one)
  1 Autochord (??? memory failing me a bit here) sampler
  1 Emu Procussion
  1 Yamaha SPX-90

  and a power amp (I forget who's).

Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM
Digital Hardware Engineering
NeXT Computer, Inc.
900 Chesapeake Drive
Redwood City, CA 94063 USA
From: kml21025@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU (""da Ken-ster"")
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: U-220 vs SC-55...Thanks...
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:18:40 GMT


   Well, I just wanted to thank all those who responded to my request for help
with the U-220 vs SC-55 dilemma.  I received a lot of advice and even a few    
people who offered me a lower price on their U-220's...  
 
   Howeve, the overwhelming trend of the advice I received, though admitting
that the U-220 was a good piece of equipment (especially at $495 or less), 
kept saying, "go for the Sound Canvas and you won't regret it!"  So, I now
have one of them on the way, and I can't wait  (Ooh excitement! Excitement!)
(Ken in middle of purchase paradise...)

   Thanks again for all the help...

						Ken
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Keywords: earplugs
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:03:50 GMT
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <BuKsJp.85o@apollo.hp.com> deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal) writes:
> < ... >
>I have been fighting this ever since I rediscoved music in my overly high tech.
>life and stared going to clubs and playing music after about a 10 year layoff
>about 4 years ago.  There is one club in my area that gets great acts but I 
>refuse to go anymore because of the excessive (IMHO) sound levels even for
>basicly acoustic acts.
> < ... >
>Opinions of John Deal at deal_j@apollo.hp.com
>********

Yeah John, and a good opinion you have (I do reserve the right to dissagree
at a later date!).

I don't like painful experiences so why should I pay money to have my
ears ring? It is alot easier to get great guitar tone using a smaller
amp, or several smaller amps. They are often cheaper and much easier
to haul so why the Marshal Stack? A rock band DOES need to play
loudly to get the tone, but NOT THAT LOUD! It really doesn't need to
get painful.

It seems like most of the time it's because the band doesn't have a
good sound person out in the club, or they have already lost their
hearing, or they have brain damage (or all of the above). The other
major cause is a bad drummer that has no dynamics control.

My observation is that, in general, really loud bands don't have any dynamics.
That's sad because it separates the great from the want-a-bes.

<as an asside, John>
I have also returned after about 10 years. I spent the 15 years or so before
that just playing lounge gigs and jazz. Now I have gone full circle again
and am back to rock. Yes, I too used to haul a Marshal Stack around, actually
two!!

-grego
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: jost@walt.coyote.trw.com (Patrick Jost)
Subject: Music Contacts in DC Area Wanted...
Reply-To: Patrick Jost <jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.com>
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:55:20 GMT

Hi,

I'm a fretless bassist/keyboardist coming to the DC area. I'd like to meet some
people to jam/form a group with. I'm into Brand X, Tale Cue, Stromboli,
John McLaughlin Trio, etc. More or less progressive rock/jazz, but with
more (or less) accessible vocals as well.

I'll be working in Arlington, living in Alexandria.

Go ahead and email...my email follows me around, it is about the only thing
that does these days...


Thanks!


Patrick



-- 
..suenos perdidos, dolor infinito, ya sin sentido, en el triste fluir, de los
llantos sumergidos, al silencio de un grito en el vacio... (J. L. Velasquez)

              Patrick Jost/jost@coyote.trw.com/(310) 812-2759
From: quint@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Quint)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:30:49 GMT
Subject: Bird Dog Lyric Help
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers

I've been listening to a tape of an Everly Brothers HBO concert trying
to figure out the words to "Bird Dog" and there's one part of the second
verse that I can't get:

  Johhny sings a love song (like a bird)
  He sings the sweetest love song (you ever heard)
  But when he sings to my gal (what a pal)
  He's just another wolf dog (on the prowl)
  Johnny wants to fly away but he loves my baby    Hes a Bird Dog
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
					       |
        (this is the part I think I have wrong ^)

I know there's some closet Everly Brothers fan out there who knows the
correct lyrics - please post or e-mail.

Thanks, 
Chris
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