HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Dweiss@chiba.hughes.american.edu (Dan Weiss (yes, again))
Subject: Re: A new (very simple) bot solution
Followup-To: alt.irc
Organization: Chiba City
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:10:45 GMT

In article <HROSE.92Nov16191319@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen
Trillian Rose) wrote:
> 

[How to telnet to irc instructions deleted]
 
> Yeah, it's *that* easy to fake a user@host. 
> 
> 
> So tell me, how will that stop places? I mean, until there's an option
> like forcing people to run identd or be marked UNAUTH then we're stuck
> with people being able to get around any kind of limit set like that.
> 
> And it won't stop crackers who have broke root from setting up random
> accounts.
> 
> --Helen

Yeah, I know it is *that* easy to fake a user@host, but how many people who
have the *most* annoying, disruptive, and wasteful bots are actually going
to know how to do this?

Also (and I admit ignorance in this point) when you telnet to a port 6667,
aren't you running "raw" irc.  That is, without a client.  Does that
eliminate all these IRCII bots?  Or not?  I have no clue as my skool has no
UNIX.

As for the second point, the one about crackers: that is going to be true
no matter what the hell we do.  As long as there are limits and security
measures, there will be crackers.

The problem I am addressing here is annoying and wasteful bots, not people
who hack into IRC with fake names.  Hell, as long as there is Bradenville,
Chatsubo, and that one in Austria, there are always going to be ways to get
into IRC without a real ID.

Why not make running two processes on IRC at one time a /killable offense? 
There are enuff IRCops around that they would notice the lamer bots, and
/kill 'em.    
-------------------------
Dan Weiss
Washington DC
Dweiss@chiba.hughes.american.edu
Dweiss@auvm.american.edu
Flammable@IRC
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:52:24 GMT

titus chiu (titus@coombs.anu.edu.au) wrote:
: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
: 
: >Okay! Let me get this straight.
: 
: >1) ALL bots, even nickserv and noteserv and the alike, have the potential of
: >   flooding the net and should be removed.
: 
: If that is the case, humans can flood the net too, they should be removed,
: oh, servers can flood the net too, remove them too, there, your problem
: solved. Of course, in reality, nickserv and noteserv cannot/does not get
: into a dead loop with another user/bot, compared to your bot which can,
: and that is the point that herm have tried to make, but of course, you
: don't want to listen to that, and want to remove nickserv and noteserv.
: 

/set exec_protection off
/on -notice nickserv /exec -msg echo help
/msg nickserv help

Now watch him flood... (this one was tested on convserv because NickServ was
down when I tried it, but it should have the same effect on NicServ as on
ConvServ, or what?)

: >2) Everyone using IRCii has the potential of flooding the channel and should
: >   not IRC.
: 
: very good. you first.
: 

Well. if we are going to take your bullshit about bots with the potential to
flood the channel being removed, of course we would have to look at other flood
sources, too...

: get some clues please.
:
: titus
:
Gard / say...
 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver)
Subject: Re: Keep the flood. (ENOUGH!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:27:55 GMT

Some people's children...

<what me flame...nah...just remembering when I taught childcare>

-- 
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, you think it is only a minute.
But when you sit on a hot stove for a minute, you think it's two hours.
THAT'S RELATIVITY." (Albert Einstein)
                 "My name is Monica. Got a minute?"
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: IRC going down in two weeks all over (!?)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:09:59 GMT

Heard this rumor from a friend of a friend who is on the Board of Directors.
Claims that it is taking up too much room (i.e. bandwidth on the Internet).

This source is reliable, is there anyone who can back up this claim?


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: root@cltr.uq.oz.au (Hulk Hogan)
Subject: Re: An idea!
Keywords: Monica for president!
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:20:24 GMT

dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman) writes:
>Wow Monica, you must really tired after all those posts.  Wow!
>I hereby suggested a new newsgroup:
>	alt.fan.monica.weaver

Hmmm.. How about an  alt.irc.babes.monica?  Ziggi earlier today
liked the idea of an  alt.irc.babes.ziggi...  I can think of a
few others who would have groups named after them... :-)

/\ndy

PS.  Is it just me, or is  #bottub/#botsex  the cutting edge (and
therefore, the future social interactions) on irc?  Seems to me that
behaviours start on these two channels and spread out to other channels,
though to a lesser degree, somewhat like new words are created and
slowly work their way into the main stream... The number of channels
I've been on recently where people have asked  "if this #hottub or
#realname"...    Scary thought...
--
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Centre for Lang. Teaching & Research, 	UUCP: uunet!lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au!andy
University of Queensland,  St. Lucia, 	Phone: +61  7 365 6915 (Use 07 in Oz)
Brisbane,  Qld. AUSTRALIA  4072    	Fax: +61 7 365 7077    IRC: HulkHogan

"No matter what hits the fan, it's never distributed evenly....."
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: An idea!
Summary: gee, isn't Monica great?!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:02:53 GMT
Keywords: Monica for president!

Wow Monica, you must really tired after all those posts.  Wow!
I hereby suggested a new newsgroup:

	alt.fan.monica.weaver

Just think about it.  Everyone can talk about equal rights for bots (*tries
to hold back laughter*) and use <>'s and everything!  Sorry for the stab
there Monica, but it had to be done.  I'm in one of those wierd moods again.

-- 
--- Daryn Sharp   Darkman@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: sdrm@netcom.com (Lewis E. Wolfgang)
Subject: Help.  How does IRC work?
Summary: I don't know a thing.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:07:03 GMT

Hello everyone!
I was wondering how IRC works.  How do I log on to them?  Where do I
find out about them?  Exactly what do I need to do?  Any help is greatly
appreciated.  Thanks!

sdrm@netcom.com


Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Subject: !!
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:32:35 GMT

Are you always bored?  Are you always alone?  Is your life empty?
Well, thats over!! Now there's UNOSERV!
Yes, Unoserv will solve all your problems. Do you hate everybody?
Just invite them to play unoserv and beat the shit out of them.
Do you wanna impress someone? Invite them over and show them
your cunning skills.
Unoserv comes complete with online manual and rulebook, and can
be played by everyone from 4-70 (age lowered to 4 for obvious reasons)
And all this for the unbelievable price of your life!
Yes! All we ask from you is to hand in your life. (all major clients
accepted).
So start that client, and msg...Msg....MSG your life away!
You'll feel a lot better.

ps. For people without a life, we also take souls.


(c) Bot inCORporated (TM)
-- 
|bosman@fwi.uva.nl_   //     | Honest Officer , had I known my health      |
|-----------------\\ //AMIGA | stood in jeopardy I would never had lit one.|
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|__________ Quickly Scotty,beam me up.There is no ox..y..ge..._____________|
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs ! (Services)
Followup-To: alt.irc.dev.nul
Organization: No To Bots ...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:21:55 GMT

Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen writes:

>Mmmm.... As I understand it, wouldn't local services be a waste of bandwidth?

Bandwidth is not CPU. 

Sorry foreigners, but I'm sure you will forgive me using the smallest spoon.

B}ndbredde. Dersom en service er lokal bruker den ikke leid b}ndbredde.
N}r du bruker, eller boten din bruker, en utenlandskserver bruker
du b}ndbredde som koster masser av penger. 
Dessuten er ikke b}ndbredde noen problem innad i landet. 
Les noen manualer s|k informasjon f|r du skriker for h|yt. Vi begynner }
bli passe lei av masingen din. Til og med de minste barna mine maser mindre
og har en h|yere inteligens p} konversasjonen en det du til tider har.
Dvs mine barn i speideren.


Rough translateing:

Bandwidth. If a service is local, it wil not use leased lines. When you
use, or your bot use, a server outside Norway you use bandwidth wich cost
a lot of money.
And beside, bandwidth is no problem inside Norway.
Read som manuals, seek information before you scream to load. Some of us
begin to be pretty bored of your whining. Even my smallest children is
whining less and have higher inteligence on the conversation than you
have from time to time.
My scoutchildren thatis.


\Ruben (Known for his bad language and typos).
(Say NO ! To uanttended bots)


-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: An idea!
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:04:49 GMT

OK! Let's go for it! What are we waiting for? Lets get
alt.fan.monica.weaver started at once!

/Gard

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:33:12 GMT

Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen writes:

>Now watch him flood... (this one was tested on convserv because NickServ was
>down when I tried it, but it should have the same effect on NicServ as on
>ConvServ, or what?)

NOPE ! You should have asked  some of the people who know ConvServ's way
of working.
ConvServ is not an official SERVICE since it does not have any service
lines enabled at alf.uib.no. Thus convserv is just a ordinary user class.

You do not send 
PRIVMSG ConvServ@Service.no :help
but
PRIVMSG ConvServ :help

And ConServ replies with:
NOTICE Gard :<some help info>

Unless your ircII is badly cracked, there should be no way of doing
/on NOTICE ConvServ /MSG help

Comprende ?

\Ruben.


-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: An idea!
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:01:41 GMT

Darkman (dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Wow Monica, you must really tired after all those posts.  Wow!
: I hereby suggested a new newsgroup:
: 
: 	alt.fan.monica.weaver
: 
Not a bad idea! I would subscribe to that newsgroup, wouldn't you?
<This is not meant as an offence. Monica is one of the few sane people
 posting here.>
I also have another idea. Let's rename alt.irc to alt.irc.bots   B)

: -- 
: --- Daryn Sharp   Darkman@uiuc.edu

You used one line 2 many there. Remember "Say no to disclaimers"

/Gard - "Say no to disclaimers" - gardabr@unix1.mrih.no
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Subject: Re: A new (very simple) bot solution
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:05:39 GMT

Dweiss@chiba.hughes.american.edu (Dan Weiss (yes, again)) writes:

>In article <HROSE.92Nov16191319@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen
>Trillian Rose) wrote:
>> 

[stuff from Trillian deleted]

>Yeah, I know it is *that* easy to fake a user@host, but how many people who
>have the *most* annoying, disruptive, and wasteful bots are actually going
>to know how to do this?

uuhhm, the issue is that you are proposing to let an account only
have 1 irc-connection right? Then Trillian starts to say that people
will then use fake user@host by telnetting to the server directly.
But..everyone with even a VERY faint knowledge of C, can change the client
so it will show a fake username. (Hey, they even tell you in the source
where you have to be) I dont know exactly know how many sites have identd 
running but my guess is, not close to enough. So, I dont see this
idea working in the next, umm..say 4 major irc-releases that work. :)

cor bosman

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Followup-To: alt.weeners,alt.cascade
Reply-To: "Skit i det" <way@up.high.oz>
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, Texas, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:52:10 GMT

jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no (Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen) writes:
>gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>>Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen (jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no) wrote:
>>:gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>>: >/Gard - Say no to unattended disclaimers.
>>: Essutendall alskall udall assepall ejdall aarnall udall akkasnall om
>>: orejball innjball aapall alt.irc.
>>I guess what you MEANT was...
>>Essutendall alskall udall assepall ejdall aarnall udall akkasnall om
>>orejbrall innjdall aapall alt.irc.
>Udall evhall ettrall ;-)
>>And that message shouldn't have been in Swedish in the first place!
>Einall elvall, aadall :-P

let me remind you that this newsgroup is received in
more places than just norway. Either take this crap to mail
or make use of the distribution line to keep it in norway.
Or do us the courtesy of translating it like ruben did. Since you
mentioned swedish..

Tala Engelska fo"r helvete!

herm
(sa"g NEJ till obevakade bots)
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|  Things that make you go herm.....             herm@coombs.anu.edu.au  |
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Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: mourning for lost souls
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:28:55 GMT

you know, every time i notice someone new running irc, i feel sad.

i really ought to get rid of my servers.

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen)
Subject: Re: mourning for lost souls
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:47:38 GMT

gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:

>you know, every time i notice someone new running irc, i feel sad.
>i really ought to get rid of my servers.

Hey Greg,

 I got an idea. Why don't you start saving those lost souls. Join irc and
start a career as a preacher. You could make your own channel called
#Greg's Church and invite people there. Just think how many people you
could save from the curses of irc.

Juice
jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi

:-) :-)

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: luru@stekt7.oulu.fi (Ari Husa)
Subject: Re: 10 Months!
Reply-To: luru@stekt.oulu.fi
Organization: The Buffalo Club
	<1992Nov1.234116.11616@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Nov11.030105.16009@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Nov11.163654.15561@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Nov18.192452.2059@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:02:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.192452.2059@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Carl.von.Loesch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Carl von Loesch) writes:

> You should go on IRC for a change, just to bring the balance
> back in your life.

I thought so. And I did go back "just to see what's going on."

I am bloody hooked again! Or so it seems, I spend (again) too much of
my time online. But hey, I know I can manage without IRC for more than
9 months. It was easy.

I am beginning to understand what is "addiction" as "disease". Take
alcoholism, for example. Fortunately, IRC is (a bit) less destructive.

Greg, don't do it.

	Luru

///     Kyll{ joka mi{s jua,
o-o             mut se on mi{s kun maksaa.
 o                      (Loppi)

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: 10 Months!
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:28:32 GMT

In article <LURU.92Nov18230256@stekt7.oulu.fi> luru@stekt.oulu.fi writes:

>I am bloody hooked again! Or so it seems, I spend (again) too much of
>my time online.

Max told me (that lamer!) and I hoped that it wasn't true, but it
seems that it is. Sigh.

But I am committed. I am resolute. I may spend all my time talking
about not using IRC, but at least I'm not using it.

>Greg, don't do it.

I won't. But you should quit again.

The few, the proud, the QUITTERS!

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: jdm57406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (him)
Subject: Re: 10 Months!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:30:18 GMT

Hey! want something almost as destructive as alcoholism? 
Try the muds!
If you thought irc was addictive......
-jason, relapsed mud addict

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Re: 10 Months!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:48:38 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
	<1992Nov18.192452.2059@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
	<LURU.92Nov18230256@stekt7.oulu.fi>
	<1992Nov18.232832.13585@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

>  The few, the proud, the QUITTERS!

HAHAHAH!

Hey, greggy-poo, could you convince tril* to quit as well?

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: Carl.von.Loesch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Carl von Loesch)
Subject: Re: 10 Months!
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:20:26 GMT

gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>Fine. Let me be the judge of my addictions, and you be the judge of
>yours.

That's the best way not to realize your own addictions.

Infect er in fact I think you are addicted to Non-IRC.
You are obsessed by the thought of being addicted to IRC that you're
addicted to not going on IRC. You are obsessed with it.
You should go on IRC for a change, just to bring the balance
back in your life.


*friendly smile*


*wink*


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Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Subject: Re: mourning for lost souls
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:06:44 GMT

jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen) writes:

>gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>>you know, every time i notice someone new running irc, i feel sad.
>>i really ought to get rid of my servers.

>Hey Greg,
> I got an idea. Why don't you start saving those lost souls. Join irc and
>start a career as a preacher. You could make your own channel called
>#Greg's Church and invite people there. Just think how many people you
>could save from the curses of irc.
>Juice
>jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi

>:-) :-)


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All Hail Wumpus!!!!


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Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Re: mourning for lost souls
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:41:55 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

> you know, every time i notice someone new running irc, i feel sad.
> i really ought to get rid of my servers.

Lost Souls?  That's my channel.  Come on in and /join # ....

We'll all mourn together.

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Snapple and anti-abortionism
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:59:55 GMT

I understand that the topic of my question has been
the subject of a substantial thread here, so I first
apologize for being late to the cakewalk and asking after
something some of you may be tired of hearing about
(relevant messages don't seem to still be on my news
host) ...

I've heard it said that the founders of Snapple are
politically somewhat to the right of Attila, and among
other things have been hevy contributors to anti-abortion
groups; and that, further, there was a boycott against
them on the part of pro-choice groups.

Is this true?  Is there a way to find out more about
the specific causes that the Snapple folks have helped
out?  Who called the boycott?  How, if at all, is this
affected by aa leveraged buyout of Snapple I've heard
about this year?

Thanks for any responses; my (previous Snapple-loving)
friends were chagrined to hear this, but want to get a
little more corroboration.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.legal,alt.true-crime
Subject: Gotti Case
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:50:01 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: misc.legal,alt.true-crime
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <By7AnA.6MH@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>And even if they are, this opens the door wide for intimidation. Here in New
>York, the prosecution is required to make the names of the jurors known to 
>the defense. Gotti was tried several times (admittedly, some of them with 
>prosecution that left something to be desired) before he was finally convicted.
>Coincidence?

I should leave this to the net.Gotti.expert, but in the case which finally 
got him convicted, I'm under the impression that the jurors' names (if not
their faces) were anonymous.  Published accounts of the voir dire jury 
selection indicate that many of the potential jurors were frightened out 
of their wits.

Also, I believe, an investigation has revealed that at least one of the
jurors that acquitted Gotti in an earlier case accepted a bribe.  I don't
know whether it was under duress.
-- 
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standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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