From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Specs for Kicker C-8, C-10, C-12
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:34:47 GMT

Scott Dexter writes:

>As the subject says- I would like to have the Thiele/Small parameters
>for these speakers for toying around in PerfectBox;
>also, if anyone has the same for Pioneer's subs (for small enclosures)??
>
>I would be Very thankful---

Here's a few of files I dug up:

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(Files appended)

There are three models: S8, S10, and S12.  Here are their published
T/S parameters.

				S8	S10	S12
		
		Rs		3.66	3.58	3.58
		Fs		32.65	22.25	16.7
		Qms		5.673	9.49	6.823
		Qes		.403	.293	.346
		Qts		.376	.284	.330
		Vas		1.02	3.33	7.67
		Xmax		8.73mm	8.73	8.73
		Sens.		86	86	86
		Lvc		.496	.479	.600
		

> (Do you know if perfect box does a good job of calculating Box size,
> port size, and Frequency response. Just Curious.)

I use Perfect Box and find it very useful.  It gets you very close but
then you have to tune a bit, especially with small boxes.  After
playing with it a bit, Perfect Box gives the following results (all
for sealed boxes):

		Model	Volume	F3	F10
			(ft3)	(Hz)	(Hz)
		
		S8	.33	64	37
			1.0	71	30
			2.0	77	29
		
		S10	.7	58	31
			1.5	66	26
			2.0	69	26
		
		S12	.88	40	28
			1.5	36	22
			2.0	36	21

If the numbers are right, the S12 in a 1.5 cubic foot is pretty darned
amazing, though the sensitivity is nothing to write home about.

Enjoy!

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Subject: Solo-Baric's other Specs...
Summary: Specs provided by Kicker @ IASCA Finals
Keywords: Solo-Baric Woofers
Date: 27 Oct 92 07:15:28 GMT
Reply-To: jdavis@wizard.etsu.edu (Jason Lee Davis)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TEXAS !!!

STILLWATER DESIGNS  KICKER  SOLO-BARIC  specifications:


Model:			S8		S10		S12

Max Amp Power:		300W rms	450W rms	600W rms

Mounting Diameter:	7 1/8"		9 3/8"		11 1/8"

Mounting Depth:		3 7/8"		4 3/4"		5 3/8"

Impedance:		4 ohms		4 ohms		4 ohms

Frequency Response:	28 - 100 Hz	24 - 100 Hz	20 - 100 Hz

Magnet Weight:		32 Oz.		54 Oz.		60 Oz.

Voice Coil:		2" Kapton	2" Kapton	2" Kapton
			Ribbon Wire	Ribbon Wire	Ribbon Wire
B

Fs (Res)		31		25		19

Vas			1.13		2.37		6.64

Qts  c.f.		.331		.297		.336

Sealed Enclosure Vol:	.33 c.f.	.66 c.f.	.88 c.f.

Bandpass Enclosure Vol:	.22cf + .27cf	.35cf + .50cf	.72cf + .80cf
			front   rear	front   rear	front   rear


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Subject: Re: Solobaric Subs: Anyone using them?
Keywords: solobaric
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:49:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <bublitz.721165233@sfu.ca> bublitz@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Bublitz) writes:
>So with all this talk about the Kicker Solobaric subs, is anyone out
>there using them??  What do you think of them??  Even though they take 
>up minimal space, how...

MAN what a WOOFER!!! I just put in a set of S-10's in a 300zx turbo using a
HiFonics Hercules as power- they seriously threw down! HOWEVER--- totally
disregard the trash Kicker sends with the Solobarics about using them in
only sealed enclosures (under .66 ft^3 for the 10's, etc)! The pair I used 
are in a box designed on a computer, which came out .86 ft^3 ported @ 29
Hz, with boost of 6 dB at 29. I can clip the Hercules (375 watts !!!)
into the S-10's at any frequency tried without audible protest; they 
don't even move much near port frequency, so mechanical damage is not
going to be a factor either. As for the sound, they put out bass comparable
to a good pair of 15's in a BIG box, only as tight as some of the best 10's.
I would say that in the configuration I used, the S-10's can put out more
and lower frequency bass on the same power than C-12xl's currently available.

Moral of story: they are expensive, but they are better.

Regards,
Gordon.

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