HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BJP
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:58:03 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1993Jan21.222934.22198@ennews.eas.asu.edu> pinto@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Kevin A. Pinto) writes:
>	It's interesting to note that as far as Deb Chatterjee is concerned,
>all Muslims are JKLF sympathisers.
>
>	Give us a break, Deb!  You picked on the wrong guy - I don't think
>anyone out here can ever recall Javed lionising the JKLF.  Unless comments
>about government atrocities in Kashmir are automatically considered
>pro-terrorist.  And given that anyone who does not agree with your particular
>views is labelled something or the other.......

	Just when I thought Pinto was yet annudder mizoram secessionist,
you have dispelled my thoughts. 
						Satya Mallya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: A Request/Question to Bapa Rao
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:15:13 GMT

Relative to the level of immorality assigned by you to the crime of 
posting personal mails on sci, where do you place the *act* (I am 
not calling it a crime!) of reporting to the employers of those with 
whom one may have a difference of opinion. Yes, the difference may be
extreme, but is the recourse to Complaints-to-Employers *ethical*?
I don't think Virendra has ever been personally abusive towards anyone.

It only shows that his opponents are at a total loss of ideas on how
to counter his arguments.

I am writing this after seeing the following note in a posting by Virendra:

In article <1993Jan22.141511.23779@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>   Note:
>	Since some fellows have reached my employer through their favorite
>	connections, I would like to clear some confusion about my views.
>	I am not a BJP supporter. I don't like politics. I hate congress
>	more than BJP. I will pick BJP if asked to pick a party. It doesn't
>	mean that I like BJP. I am an American first and an Indian
>	nationalist second. I will fight anything negative about India
>	among my fellow Americans. Supporting democratic principles is
>	not unAmerican but very much American.
>
>namaste,
>
>-- Virendra Verma
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Disclaimer:
>   My employer is not responsible for my views. Read my views at your 
>   own risk.
>   ****
>   tamso ma jyotir gamaha	   - [Lord] take me from darkness to light.
>   shramam vina na kimapi saddhyam - Nothing gets accomplished without work
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya)
Subject: Re: ANONYMOUS POSTS ON SCI
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:03:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.232334.17087@samba.oit.unc.edu> lakshma@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Lakshman Ramamurthy) writes:
>
>Dear Netters:
>
>I wish to address a point that is important in maintaining the decorum
>of this medium - namely SCI. Recently I have been noticing quite a few

ha! This is indeed a great joke. Decorum in SCI! SCI has never had any 
decorum!

>anonymous posts, and these postings also have instructions on how to send
>out anon messages...I find this a depressing a trend. Given that there
>is already a lot o bickering on SCI, anonymous postings will be the nadir
>of such irresponsible correspondence.

In a way, these correspondences are generally inflammatory in nature. It hides
the fear of the authors of being recognized by public(a la net's most wanted
characters), fear of retribution(complains to the net admn etc) and ability
to write wantonly. While condition 1 and 2 are acceptable, writing irresponsible
posts has been the hallmark of SCI. While using anon services is o.k, they
normally would be opening up their machines to unwanted hackers. I wonder who
is behind the finnish anonymous service? 


	It amazes me that most of these people do not understand that they
could be risking the security of their machines by using the anon service.
While most .edu administrators look the other way, admins in the corporate
world would probably do a vertical flip at the possible breach of security.
I am sure admins would rather allow irresponsible articles using user accounts
than through anon services. 


						Satya mallya

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days? 
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:40:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.113728.46776@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.151418.9486@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
>
>   I agree with your personal opinion, anyways. In this aspect Soviet Marxism
>   and Islam have attained the same objectives. To liberate the "downtrodden"
>   by encouraging them to resort to violent means and inculcating people to

Both are political ideologies masquerading as religions...Both believe that
everything on the face of the earth belongs to them... both have supressed
resistance through terror, torture, tyranny, treason and treachery...

One is already on the verge ob being extinct...the other will shortly follow..

Prasad.
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Whether the BJP can Deliver
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:53:35 GMT

As a matter of fact I would like capital punishment removed			
as from the Indian penal code. This a nothing but barbaric	
society approved "murder" and retribution that does not stop		
or decreases capital offences (Canada, Europe, Japan etc..	
abolished death penalty decades ago, the capital crime rate	
has only decreased).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dea@rs6124.ecs.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: Indian Coast Guards treating oil leak on Andaman Sea
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:13:22 GMT


Source: All India Radio
Time: 5pm(EST), January 24,1993
Country: India


Two Indian Coast guard vessels and several aircrafts 
are treating an oil leak in the Andaman Sea.

3 lakh (1lakh=100,000) tonnes of oil leaked into the
sea when a Danish supertanker collided with a Japanese
tanker near the Indonesian island of Sumatra. 

The oilslick, which is 400 meters across,
is reported to be 40 miles from the 
Great Nicobar Island and moving in a north-westerly
direction. The Coast Guard vessels are dropping 
chemicals on the oilslick and monitoring its
movement.

Anirban De
dea@rpi.edu


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From: lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri  505-667-6825)
Subject: Re: Where the mind is without fear
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:18:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.062251.3482@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>  
ramakris@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Balaji Ramakrishnan) writes:

I empathize with most of what you say, but ..

>   India needs leaders, people who will lead by example, who will
> stand up for their values.  We have enough unscrupulous leaders amongst  
us. 
> How many of you can step forward to set such examples.

India has relied long enough, far too long, on leaders. Now we need 
everyone to lead by example. There's a saying (seen mostly on bumper
stickers) - `When the people lead, the leaders will follow'. The true 
leaders that we need will come from within the people, not from a
group of a select few -- the princes, the kings, the rich and the
children of ministers. Frankly, India doesn't need any more nepotism,
definitely not in politics. We don't need leaders to set examples,
we need to set examples ourselves, every one of us.

Amitabha 
--
Amitabha Lahiri, e-mail:lahiri@pion.lanl.gov
Disclaimer: No one else is responsible for what I say, and vice versa.
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From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:10:31 GMT
Reply-To: venu@cirrus.com
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article 24704@ucselx.sdsu.edu, pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph) writes:

>   I keep wondering - didnt your dad/grandad come from India sometime
>   and settle here as a desi.  Desi mule i.e. Surprising though - I thought
>   mules are sterile. Hmmm. Well ... who knows .. ;) 
>

so my asimov readings taught me (bit of obscure sci-fi reference to keep up the image of intellectuality :-)).

---
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
The problem with the gene-pool is that there is no life-guard.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:04:01 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <93022.110049DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>, Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> In article <C16zwI.I0L@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj
|> Bhatnagar) says:
|> >
|> >Hindutva is the ideology of India being a "nation-based-state." The
|> >Indian nation - the cultural entity - being defined as rooted in the
|> >culture and civilization that evolved in India. This idea of nation
|> >based state is in strong conflict with the ideological state as
|> >propagated by Islam.
|> >
|> 
|> This is a wrong claim by the supporters of Hindutva. Because if it
|> were true then the present state of Indian nation, the cultural
|> entity as exist today - due to mixing and evolution of many different
|> cultural, religious and philosophical entities over thousands
|> of years - should be acceptable to the forces of Hindutva.

I think that you will find that the modern Indian NATION is quite 
acceptable to Hindutva-proponents. What is NOT acceptable is the POLITY, 
and the GOVERNMENT. Some impractically idealistic elements would also like
to incorporate Pakistan into it, but for the most part, that is not true.

|> But their actions show otherwise where they insist upon visiting
|> only certain localized periods of our evolution and crush/suppress
|> others which do not suit their political needs.

Every movement has some of that. I guess that the Hindutva movement is no
better (or worse). As for their being fascists, let's see. Fascism, in the
modern usage, stands for right-wing authoritarian government (check out the OED). 
As far as I can see, all the Hindutva-ites have done is perfectly in line with
democratic principles, with the mosque-destruction being the lone aberration.
That is true even if you disagree, as I do, with the basic aim of the RJB
movement. And even on that, they claimed that it was unintended, and
subsequently apologized to the nation. Whether or not you believe that is a 
matter of (almost) faith. But to make a leap from that to Fascism is a stretch.


|> regards..            Deepak


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: prasad@seas.smu.edu (Nageswara G. Prasad)
Subject: Re: ... when western science dwarfs the vedaas ....
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:47:41 GMT

In article <1k2domINNl4h@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Sagar writes:
>>In article <1993Jan26.004321.11829@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
>>>The big bossu on sci.math from MIT (john baez) writes:
>>>-+>suitable for intelligent life only at the low entropy end of the
>>>-+>universe's history.
>>>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>>Mr. "Rising Sun," did you want to tell the readers anything by
>>simply reposting someone's 130-line article and not including 
>>any of your "intelligent" comments? 
>
>	Very few people can write to qualify what John Baez writes. 
>	He's THE net.god on sci.physics and sci.math and Raveena saru did well
>	to repost it here without adding any comments :):). I'm sure Seetam
>	won't take any offence since he knows it.
>
>	FFT
		It is an excellent article. I would probably not have read it
		had seetam not posted it here. However, somehow while I was reading
		the article I was looking for his comments. So for people who would
		not like to read someone's article without a comment relevent to this
		newsgroup, a small *caution* signal would do well.
		
	Seriously! How the *HELL* does this info. dwarf the Vedas?
			Vedas is no Science text book.
				Philosophy and Science are different planes(dimen.).
					But they very much draw from one another.
						-prasad
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Republic Day: Celebration from South to North
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:53:50 GMT

The following was taken from an Associated Press Report.

India  : Republic day...

     NEW DELHI, India (AP) -- India marked its  43rd  anniversary
as a republic Tuesday with a parade of weapons that were acquired
to defend its borders but have proved powerless against recurrent
internal violence.

     The day  celebrates  the adoption  of the constitution  that
made India a secular  republic and the world's most populous demo-
cracy.  But it was  shadowed by increasing  sectarian unrest that
did not take a holiday.

     Muslims flew black  flags atop the  capital's largest mosque
to protest attacks by militant Hindus, and some Muslims boycotted
the  festivities.  In Kashmir, Muslim  separatists battled Indian
security forces, and one paramilitary policeman and two militants
were killed, police said.

     In southern India, a statue of  independence leader Mohandas
K. Gandhi was  blown  up in  Villupuram  and two  offices  of the
governing  Congress Party were  damaged by blasts in nearby towns
on the eve of  Republic Day.  Police blamed  supporters of ethnic
Tamils  fighting for an independent homeland in the nation of Sri
Lanka.

.
.
.

     Helicopters  showered  hundreds  of thousands of  spectators
with flower petals to begin the 90-minute spectacle of men, tanks,
missiles, field  artillery, marching  bands and  acrobatic  motor-
cycle riders.

     Security along  Raj Path, the  broad  avenue from  the Presi-
dential Palace to  the arched  India Gate memorial, was so strict
that women with handbags were turned away and people were told to
leave their cigarette lighters outside.
      
     In  Kashmir, the Muslim-majority  province of northern India,
separatis t rebels  taunted Indian  security forces with potshots
from  narrow  lanes  and windows  and  fired  rockets  during the
Republic Day festivities at a stadium in the city of Srinagar.

     Gunfire crackled  through  the city most of the day and  the
army searched  house-to-house for snipers.  Hundreds of  men were
paraded  in the streets  in front  of hooded  informers who  were
pointing out militants.  Neighboring towns  also reported running
clashes and paralyzing strikes.

=====

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 27, 93
From: sun@cco.caltech.edu (Neal K. Chaudhary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Feminazis, Matrons, Lifelessness, FFT
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:23:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu


I dont think anyone believes FFT didnt write those posts up.  Imagine
someone getting off by sneakily fabricating posts about anonymous
Indian women writing to an email list.

The poor guy and his friends are so afraid of women now that they call
them feminazis and matrons.

Thats why they never get any:  

Because so many Indian women are asexual/lesbian radical ultrafeminists 
(they started an email mailing list you know) or 
nazi-mindset matrons 
(just ran into one today).

Either that or they just pass FFT & Co. over 
(while being heckled at for being matrons) 
and really do go for the white boys.  
Can you blame them.

Please get a life FFT 
Flames ignored, so conserve bandwidth.
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From: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: .... From India -D ....
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:08:32 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <9301261929.AA28553@ece7.NIS.ece7>, seeta@hub.eng.wayne.edu 
(Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma) writes:
>    Answer: (d) Kesri Dal, in my opinion.
> 8. KamalX: Shakespeare, some people claim, is not British but one of the
>            following. Which one is correct ?
>            (a) His actual name is Sesh(adri) P. Iyer and he is a Tamil.
>            (b) Sheikh S. Peer and he is a Muslim, actually.
>            (c) Shekhar S. Pyare and he comes from U.P.

His actual name is Seshappa Iyer, he's from South Canara (Karnataka).

Chetan Nagappa
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From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Whether the BJP can Deliver (on Capital Punishment)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:01:10 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan22.205335.10143@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper
2) writes:
|> As a matter of fact I would like capital punishment removed
|> as from the Indian penal code. This a nothing but barbaric
|> society approved "murder" and retribution that does not stop

There is this strange idea that punishments are only a deterrent and
that the notion of retribution is "reprehensible." Put me down as one
who believes in capital punishment WHETHER or NOT it has any deterrent
effect. Retribution is a fully human emotion, and punishment that matches
the crime makes it intelligible instead of being lost in gibberish about
"forgiveness","understanding" and what not. I am also one who believes
that capital punishment is a way of showing society's respect for INNOCENT
life, by venting its outrage at one who violates and takes life cavalierly.
(Robert Harris, Ted Bundy, Westley Dodd, etc. were all examples of this in
the US; Billa & Ranga in India were examples of the same).

I don't begrudge a convicted man/woman every opportunity and legal challenge
to try and stay alive, but once that's over, society is entitled to its
pound of flesh.

Yet another reason for this is economic. If you choose instead to imprison
for life those vicious killers who are sentenced to death, you have to
spend huge sums of money keeping vermin alive for years on end (the cost
in NY for exanple, is $40,000.00 p.a.). Why should society pay to keep
people who they have judged to be unfit to inhabit human society alive,
and at such a prohibitive cost?

Barbarianism was defined (by George F. Will) as the belief that the existence
of feelings is enough justification for their expression. To that extent, the
death penalty merely as a form of retribution may be barbaric, but as I said,
I am prepared for an accused man to get full due process, with all the requisite
appeals, before getting my retribution. In a sense, it is "refined, leavened" 
(by the legal process) barbarianism, and I am quite content to live with that 
label.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days? 
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:39:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.153407.24742@usl.edu> zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.141424.9023@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mohans@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohan.sekhar) writes:
>>{
>>Recent studies show that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
>>The rate at which non-muslims are accepting Islam has laid to rest the myth
>>that Islam has spread by the sword.
>>
>>I don't think any NON-MUSLIM in the right state of mind is accepting ISLAM.
>>
>>However, you are right on one thing, AT THE RATE AT WHICH THEY BREED
>>THEY ARE SPREADING TOO FAST .... No competition there !!!
>>
>>Mohan
>
>Another example of anti-muslim rhetoric! 
>
>Zafar
>

Yet another example of muslim intellectual disillusioned by the hollow
Islamic philosophy...Disregarding the manifestations of Islamic ideology
over the past 1000+ years is not going to place Islamic philosophy atop
high pedestals....It is not the Islamic tenets which speak, but the "sword
of Islam" which does the job...

PPG.

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From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: A Passage from the Rig Veda
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:38:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.215820.7086@cas.org>, nlp54@cas.org () writes:
> COSMIC EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ORIGIN OF LIFE IS SO CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ABOVE VERSE.
> If you can read and understand the original (Sanskrit) verse of it,
> you can enjoy the meaning of it.The intution of those Vedic Rishis was
> so great that the theory of origin of life proposed by the modern day
> astronomers/biologists/chemists/molecular biologists, is nothing but
> the same what is said above.

which is ....

> 	PARANADI LAKSHMI NARASIMHAM
> 	RIGVEDIC
> 
> 	DISCLAIMER: OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE ARE NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER.
> 

RKP
From: srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Request/Question to Bapa Rao
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:27:16 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1jqh15INN401@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <C19s5D.7ot@ucunix.san.uc.edu	 raj@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>	Relative to the level of immorality assigned by you to the crime of 
>	posting personal mails on sci, where do you place the *act* (I am 
>	not calling it a crime!) of reporting to the employers of those with 
>	whom one may have a difference of opinion. Yes, the difference may be
>	extreme, but is the recourse to Complaints-to-Employers *ethical*?
>	I don't think Virendra has ever been personally abusive towards anyone.
>	
>	It only shows that his opponents are at a total loss of ideas on how
>	to counter his arguments.
>	
>
>I completely agree with Raj.  I think it is outrageous (and contemptible)
>that someone wrote to complain to V's employer about his postings, and even
>more outrageous that the employer cared and obviously did something about
>it that caused V to declare to post some sort of a disclaimer.

I agree with your comments.
This cowardly act should be condemned by
each and everyone.
Although I have disagreed and opposed Mr. Virendra Verma's
views on several matters, I respect his right and freedom,
as much as mine, to express his opinions.

-srinivas.
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