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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:35:57 GMT

Alberto Adolfo Pinkas writes:

>Set her free? What makes yoy think that he has her trapped and not the
>other way around? 
>Maybe she does not set him free.
>What makes you think that breaking with him will be less agonizing
>for her than breaking with her parent's traditions?
>What makes you think that he is pressuring her to marry him?
>
>There is a vialble solution for this problem: To tear down all traditions
>that keep some people blind.

There are three certainties in this world- death, taxes, and Jews marry
only other Jews.

A Jew marrying outside the religion is showing nothing but contempt for
the religion, for his or her coreligionists, and for our Law and tradition.
It's unfortunate that there are people within our religion for whom the
religion, and its history and tradition, mean so little.

The telling of the Jew in this unfortunate situation that she's grown up
and no longer accountable to her parents is also a bunch of crap.  If she
were truly grown up, she would've known from the start not to date
outside the religion, and she would've had enough respect for her
parents to not even consider marriage to the non-Jew as an option.

Growing up is not when your sex organs, or the state, tell you you're
an adult; it's when you outgrow the mentality that only what's good
for you counts, and instead you realize that your actions can hurt
other people and that you're accountable to these other people.

-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:09:11 GMT

In <1apasrINN84@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:


>   Practically NONE of the characteristics of the Messiah as they
>are stated in the bible can be found in Jesus.  

Where in the bible do you find the name Messiah? 

>The conditions of
>the Messianic Age have not come to pass.  

Where do you find the expression "Messianic Age"?

>Furthermore, all of the
>supernatural mumbo-jumbo associated with Jesus has nothing at all
>to do with the Messiah.  Also, this man-god fixation that all you
>Christians have is offensive to Jews, who believe that any effort
>to reduce G-d to something as trivial as what we human beings can
>see is demeaning to our concept of G-d.  The whole idea of Christ
>as a 'god' is idol worship to Jews and, as such, most offensive.

You are correct.  Christians have pulled out their own traditions
which are not found in the bible.  But can Jews claim that their
Messiah is pulled from the bible?

I will ask again.  What are the properties of the Jewish Messiah?
(This is not the same as asking, what happens when the Messiah is
on earth, i.e world events.  Rather, it is asking what kind of
a person/being is he?  Where does he come from?  If he is human,
what makes him special?).

>   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
>may not be both."
>                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel
--
Eli Chiprout
Dept. of Electronics
Carleton University	
emc@doe.carleton.ca
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Halacha of sex change
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:44:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct4.224748.18743@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> boaz@lcs.mit.edu writes:
>I heard of (a real case) a Jewish gal that converted into a lad (you know:
>hormones, some cut-and-paste job ...) and is engaged (as a man) to another
>woman.
>  I wondered about the Halachaic side of this; for example, what would a
>Rabbi say if the above two would now ask to become married ?
>
>-- Boaz

Yes, I discussed this matter with some ultra-orthodox friends of mine, and
they said that it is a discussed-matter.  It seems that the prevailing 
opinion is that, although Halacha would not encourage such a change (even
perhaps forbid it), that once the person has become whatever sex that
he/she should be required to fulfill the requirements of that sex (not
their previous one).  I would think that the Rabbi would marry them.

Leslie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Religious question
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:21:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.175403.6207@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

>Is Macabbees included in the New Testament?

My Vulgate lists 1 and 2 Machabaeorum as the last two books of the (Roman)
Old Testament.  Maccabees is not listed in my Authorised Version (King James)
as canonical.

>I think Maimonides (who was living under Islam at this point)
>said nice things about Islam and bad things about Christianity.

The way I've heard it, the Maimonides considered Christianity to be
idolatrous.  Nachmanides did not.  The difference is not, I believe,
on the issue of images, but as to whether trinitarianism and the
veneration of saints are polytheistic.  I am harking back to lectures
in my dim past, though, so look it up for yourself.

Aryk Nusbacher

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Tribe descent
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:31:05 GMT

>Does anyone know if your tribe is handed down by your Mother's family or 
>your Father's family?  My mother's family is Levi and my father's is 
>Israelite.  As the Jewish religion is handed down by the mother I am 
>assuming that the tribe is also.  
>
>Thanks for the info,
>
>Roberta Rheaume
>rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca
Although I am sure that you will get tons of replies to your message; you
are in fact incorrect in your assumption.  "Tribe" is derived from the
father's side.  Almost sounds like a rhyme, doesn't it.  It is your mother
that makes you Jewish and your father that classifies you.  regards and a
sweet year!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: mark@thor.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Another long article
Keywords: Poland Polish Jews Mendelsohn Bartoszewski Heller
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:00:14 GMT

In article <dobo.717440848@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>The case of Hlond is very illuminating: antisemitism: YES,
>but peaceful - this was his motto.

A point that I have been trying to make is that a widespread but
peaceful antisemitism makes the job of violent antisemites much
easier. 

For one thing, antisemites are very unlikely to actively resist violent
antisemitism.

For another, antisemitic rhetoric, however peaceful, encourages the
antisemitic impulses of its listeners. Some of these impulses may well
be violent.


And finally, some of us are fed up to the gills with antisemitism of
any form. Discrimination, even if non-violent, is evil and intolerable.


--Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
Subject: Re: PLEASE! I need your help! Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: Boise State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:46:26 GMT

In article <3747@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> silverm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Jeff Silverman) writes:
>Let me tell a little bit about my story, and you see if anything that has
>happened to me strikes a chord with you.
>
>My grandparents felt much the way your lady's parents feel.  I married a woman
>who had converted for ideological reasons.  My cousin married a man who did
>not convert.  My grandparents came to my wedding.  They didn't go to hers,
>although they did come to some of the other parties.  I should point out that
>I live in Seattle and they live in Omaha.  We both had children.  The grand
>parents come to visit from time to time.  They play with the great grand
>children.  My wife and my grandfather argue religion.  My grandfather and
>my cousin in law don't.  My grandfather and my cousin in law go fishing:
>they both like that.  I go but I don't fish because, quite frankly, I don't
>like to fish.
>
>Life goes on.  Some days my wife and I argue vehemently.  Some days, we're
>very close and and quiet.
>
>One of the things I have learned from watching my wife struggle with concepts
>like "ethical monotheism" (she used to be Catholic) is just how different
>Judaism is from Christianity.  If you are going to convert simply because you
>love this girl, then I would question your motivations.  Quite frankly, you
>are contemplating embarking on a strenuous intellectual journey.

I married a Jewish woman and did _not_ convert; the only condition my
wife made was that I promise to raise the children as Jews.  Later, I
decided that I could not raise the children as Jews unless I was (at
least nominally) a Jew myself (this was how I thought at the time I
made the decision; I do not consider myself to be a Jew merely
"nominally" now).  I will testify that it is hard work,
intellectually, and I did not have an alternate religious viewpoint to
unlearn.


>Let me pose the question a different way: how are you going to feel/respond
>when your children are the victims of anti-semitism?
>
>Think about it.

I'll reiterate this advice.  This is a hard one.

>
>If you want to chat, I can be reached at silverman@ilvxd0.fteil.ca.boeing.com.
>
>Jeff Silverman
>Boeing
> 
>


-- 
The opinions expressed		|     --Sincerely,
above are not the "official"	|     M. Randall Holmes
opinions of any person		|     Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
or institution.			|     holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:52:25 GMT

>In article <9210011348.AA11861@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov> writes:
>>I know of a Reform place in Balto, Md, that uses trumpets for shofar.  I
>>would guess that it would not make a difference whether or not it was
>>Shabbos.
>
>I don't think trumpets are permitted in lieu of a shofar anyway,
>but...  I don't think you'd be allowed to blow them on Shabbos,
>either.  The reason for not blowing the shofar on Shabbos is that you
>might carry it to services on Shabbos if you forgot to leave it there
>the day before.
>
>
>-- 
>David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
>----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
>Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
I don't think that reform jews care very much about whether or not a shofar
can be carried on Shabbos.  Why not carry the shofar or horn when every
other prohabition is violated?
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From: asugar@bass.bu.edu (Alan Sugar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tay-Sachs
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:51:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.97158
Reply-To: asugar@bass.bu.edu (Alan Sugar)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <Pine.3.05.9209271333.A7828-b100000@alsys1> <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>> writes:

>
>all my textbooks that would have a lot of info on tay sachs are out on loan
>right now. but i think the testing is done by western blotting. blood cells
>from the person would be taken and thier dna chopped up by various enzymes,
>and run on a gel that will separate the dna fragments by size. then a small
>piece of radioctive dna would be bound to the dna and depending on the size


>Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
>ness@aecom.yu.edu                      

Since the defect in Tay Sachs disease is enzymatic (deficiency of
hexosaminidase)
this activity can be measured.  The disease requires 2 allelles - ie,
both genes one from each parent.  Tay Sachs patients have no enzyme
activity and carriers have 1/2 normal, enough to avoid the ravages of
this disease.  Thus, the basis for testing prospective parents for the
presence of the carrier state.  If both parents are carriers, there is
a 25% chance of the baby having TS disease, 50% chance of it being a
carrier and 25% chance of the baby not having the TS gene at all.

I do not think that Southern blotting (Western is just for proteins,
Southern for DNA) is required to make the diagnosis.


--
Alan M. Sugar   (asugar@bass.bu.edu)             
Section of Infectious Diseases
The University Hospital 
Boston University Medical Center
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: fy@lucid.com (Frank Yellin)
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park, CA
	<1992Oct5.034833.19479@cs.brown.edu>
	<1992Oct5.063850.19432@nysernet.org>
	<goldberg.718316441@techunix.technion.ac.il>
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:26:32


In article <goldberg.718316441@techunix.technion.ac.il>
goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes: 

> Sorry but I personally believe that etymology in dictionaries is often not
> too reliable. Please tell us, for example, what your dict. says for the
> origin   of macabre. French dictionaries associate this word to Maccabee,
> while to me it seems that MEQAVER is more likely. 

It's for precisely that reason that you SHOULD be consulting a good
dictionary.  You've just committed on of the most common fallacies:  These
two words kind of sound the same, therefore they must have something in
common.

Let me quote from the OED.

  The Old French word occurs first in Jean le Fevre's Respit de la Mort
  (1376), where the author, if he be correctly interpreted by M. Gaston
  Paris, claims to have written a work called le danse Macabre.  The
  etymology is obsucre;  so far as its form is concerned it might be a
  popular  corruption of Old French Macabe = Maccabaeus (an example of
  'Judas Macabre' has been found), and in the 15th century the 'Dance of
  Death' was called choria Machabaeorum in Latin. . . .

  M. Gaston Paris, howevwer, thinkgs that Macabre may have been the name of
  the artist who painted the picture which suggested the first poem on the
  subject.

About six months ago, I heard someone suggest that the word "allemande"
must certainly have come from the French "a la main" since it is done with
the hand.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gaujxl@atomic.fnma.com (Jacob Lifshitz)
Subject: Re: donations
Keywords: godd, bad, ugly
Organization: Fannie Mae, Washington, DC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:10:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.132932.24940@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>Aleh
>(I just sent in a donation so no longer have the envelope with the address)
>My parents know some of the people involved in this organization and are
>very impressed with the low overhead and high quality care and concern of
>the people involved and, by extension, the organization.
>
>Shaare Zedek Hospital
>American Committee for Shaare Zedek Hospital in Jerusalem
>49 W 45th St
>Suite 1100
>New York, NY 10109
>
>Our Way
>333 W 7th Ave
>18th Floor
>New York, NY 10017
>
>Vaad Mishmereth STaM
>4902 16th Ave
>Brooklyn, NY, 11204
>
>Dorot
>171 W 85th St
>New York, NY 10024
>
>The Jerusalem Foundation
>PO Box 17305
>Milwaukee WI 53217
>
>SHAMIR Institute (although they send too many mailings)
>580 Fifth Ave
>Suite 625
>New York, NY 10109                   
>
>American Red Magen David for Israel
>(I'll give to them instead of the International Red Cross at least until
>the IRC recognizes the Israeli version)
>888 7th Ave
>Suite 403
>New York, NY, 10102                 
>-----------------------------------------
>I strongly urge people NOT to give to
>General Israel Orphans Home for Girls
>(explanation available upon request)
>------------------------------------------
>Do any of our Israeli friends know about:
>The Diskin Orphan Home in Israel
>Keren Hayeled
>Israel Cancer Research Fund
>Jewish Heritage for the Blind
>------------------------------------------
>National Institute for Jewish Hospice might be good but they send so many
>duplicate mailings I'm having doubts.

How about Hadassah Hospital
Tel-Hashomer
or any other hospital in the country

>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

kobi
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From: lbs@tkmhp2.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish and Jewish nationalism
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:20:59 GMT
Reply-To: lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany

In article <1992Oct4.143412.17395@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:

>And the debating tactic is an old one -- I used to hear it from
>Soviets all the time when, say, the Ukraine would be mentioned.  "But
>what about your massacre of the Red Indians?"  

 Think, Roger. Your argument can be reversed: whenever a Pole
would criticize the treatment of Palestinians in Israel and 
occupied territories, a Jew would say "but what about the Polish
rabid anti-Semitism?"

>Roger

 Lech Borkowski
lbs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: On Polish and Jewish nationalism
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:13:19 GMT

mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:

>The thing that's obvious is the hostility itself. Especially when it's
>expressed over something, such as Israel, in which the hostile
>individual has absolutely no personal stake at all.

Hostility itself is not necessarily bad.  For example, if I see Iraq
invade Kuwait, should I not be critical of (even hostile towards) Iraq
because I happen not to have any personal stake in it at all?

Are you suggesting that as long as something does not immediately
affect one, one ought not to have any strong views about it?

MB
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The two days of R'H and the shofar on Shabbos.
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:17:55 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Oct1.145653.7966@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>In article <91066@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu
(Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>>Since the new month, in Sanhedrin days, was determined by observation
>>regarding the new crescent moon, 30 Elul was of uncertain status from
>>nightfall onwards.  The observant would have to observe Yom Tov re-
>>strictions before any confirmation came in.  And if 30 Elul came and
>>went without two eyewitnesses, the next day was automatically 1 Tishrei.
>   There's an aspect of this with respect to our present calendar that I
>   don't understand. Our RH is always the 1st and 2nd of Tishrei, the
>   first two days of the ten days repentance, and Yom kippur is the
>   tenth of Tishrei.
>
>   Now, what would happen in the time of the Sanhedrin was that the two
>   days following Elul 29 would be RH. If after the fact Elul had only
>   29 days, these two days would be Tishrei 1 and 2. If after the fact
>   Elul had 30 days, these two days would be Elul 30 and Tishrei 1.
>   Why does our calendar always make RH Tishrei 1 and 2?

Our calander makes Elul to be a 29 days because Av was 30 days, and we
like to somewhat balance on the average  the deviation from the true
rosh hodesh ( the sun moon accumulation ) .
And hence hence the 1st day of rosh hashana has always the status of
a holiday from the Tora the second is a minhag , even of higher status
then the 2nd day of Passover shmini azeret and shavuot , at the galut.
We continue observing 2 days as was done in old time.
Those 2 days are called YOMA ARICHTA ( a long day ) means the second
is considered to be somewhat like continuation of the 1st.
There is some differences between the 2.
1. if a person is died , at Jerusalem , on the 2nd day he is buried
   on that same day. ( I saw it in Jerusalem , I didn't check if
"Jerusalem" is relevant).

2. We never cancell the tekiat shofar on the 2nd day
   because of Shabat (  :-)
  (    2nd rosh hashana day never hapend to be at Shabat ).

Shalom   gideon



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ari@netcom.com (Ari Davidow)
Subject: Re: Looking To Affiliate in Bay Area
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:51:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

band@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Iver E. Band) writes:

>I am looking for a progressive Jewish congregation in or near the San Francisco
>Peninsula/South Bay Area that is accepting of intermarried couples.  My wife is
>very interested in Judaism, but is not ready to convert.  I was raised in a 
>Reform Jewish tradition.  We are expecting a child, who we want to raise Jewish.

>Iver Band

Your best bet is to call the Jewish Information and Referral Service.
They are open 9-1 M-F @ (415) 777-4545. There are several good
congregations in the Bay Area. I am not familiar with those in the
Peninsula/South Bay (I hear the congregation in Los Gatos is very good,
but that may be too far for your purposes.) It is increasingly common
for congregations to have active outreach to intermarried couples,
so acceptance (other than, say, in Orthodox and some Conservative
congregations) should not be an issue.

Hope this helps.
May you all be written for a sweet new year
ari davidow
ari@netcom.com