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From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Comments on Document n2constr.doc of the LC Archives
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:57:47 GMT
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muh@physics3 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>From what follows up it looks like there is nothing specific to this type
>of reactor....

You are correct.  These memos only talk about construction problems, not
design problems inherent to the entire class of reactors.  But, ....

>Generally, I think there is too much talk about unsafety
>of Chernobyl-type reactor,

This conclusion does not follow.  These memos don't talk about the
design problems, but the design problems are there and have been well
documented elsewhere.  Best known by the general public is inadequacy of
the overall containment.  More subtle is the behavior of Chernobyl-type
reactors as temperature changes.  Under some normal operating conditions,
these reactors produce an increased reaction rate as temperature goes up.
This is clearly unstable.  Reactor designs used in most of the rest of
the world produce slower reaction rates as temperature increases under
any conditions even close to normal operating conditions.

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From: gom@PIDOR.EBU.EDU
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: I saw Hasan Mutlu's face in Cosar's asshole !
Keywords: Hasan Mutlu, Cosar, face, asshole
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:05:33 GMT
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Organization: Eureca Berch University


  I have really enjoyed benign Mutlu's scanned image which
was cross-posted throughout North America & Europe. One thought
didn't let me sleep quietly though... Where could I see that
pig ? One appropriate place would have been orphanage for
mentally retarded, the same where I met my eternal love:
Ahmet Cosar. But no, not there I sawe piggy Hasan. You
could probably think of me seeing himn on the lists of
most prized Armenian terrorists ? This is very close,
taking into account his vigorous efforts to represent
glorious Turks as terminate morons, but still not at all true.
No, not there I saw fat Mutlu. Sonb, sob, sob.... it was...
it was tatooetooed on my lover's ass.. Who could have thought
that my dear Ahmet would give me up for that disgusting
fat pig Hasan Mutlu ? I would not survive this ... Where,
wherea  are you, Ahmetyan ?
  Truly yours,
  Julio G.
From: wmelnitc@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Wally Melnitchouk)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Standing Trial (was re: a question)
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:57:39 GMT


How do you decide who should be taken out?
Maybe Hitler, Stalin, ... but where do you draw the line?
Should de Klerk be assassinated because elements of his army are doing
nasty things?

I think what is argued would be much more palatable if some of the criminals
who were responsible for murdering millions of Ukrainians in the past were
at least acknowledged as being such, and preferably tried.
Certainly everyone (bar the hardest neo-Nazi) accepts that Jews were
killed in the past, and many of those responsible have been tried.
But when for 60 years the Soviet regime denied the murder of millions,
took active steps to discredit anyone arguing to the contrary, a very
distorted picture emerges. Many in the West believed the propaganda. In this
country in the past there were some left-wing politicians who discouraged
the commemoration of the victims of Stalin's man-made famine.
Can you imagine the reaction if they had tried doing this for the Nazi
Holocaust?
The reason why Soviet Jews were at least being given some attention in the
West was because there was a Jewish State trying to look after their
interests, and exerting some pressure.
No such existed (and only barely does now) for Ukrainians.
When obvious criminals such as Kaganovich were being protected up until
the very end by the USSR, and virtually nothing was ever said about the
matter, it is easy to be very cynical about this whole exercise.

Wally Melnitchouk.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans)
Subject: Re: RFE/RL Report
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:49:45 GMT

VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (SERGEI VIZNYUK) writes:

>> BALTICS AND THE UN. The Baltic representatives have formally
>> appealed to the UN to take up the issue of former Soviet
>> troops remaining in the Baltic states, western agencies
>> report. In a 19 August letter to the UN Secretary General
>> Boutros-Ghali, the Baltic representatives said that they have
>> not seen much progress from European organizations such as
>> the CSCE, and that bilateral talks with Russia "have been
>> largely unsuccessful." Meanwhile, a Russian human rights
>> expert attached to a UN subcommission dealing with protection
>> of minorities told reporters on 19 August in Geneva that
>> Estonia and Latvia have adopted "discriminatory legislation"
>> vis-`-vis non-Baltics living in the area. Stanislav
>> Chernichenko, who claimed ethnic Russians do not have the
>> right to own land in Estonia and Latvia, said the situation
>> in Lithuania is "not as bad." In fact, land ownership in
>> Estonia and Latvia is determined not by a person's ethnicity
>> but by his or her citizenship status. (Riina Kionka)
>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>...which in its turn is determined by the person's
>ethnicity.  BTW, that last sentence from RFE/RL report
>clearly demonstrates its "objectivity".
>S.V.

Indeed it does!!! (so you can keep your quote marks to yourself) 

For one thing, there is no current citizenship law in Latvia!!!  To
say that someone has been denied citizenship for one reason or another
is FALSE.  Furthermore, none of the proposals I've heard determine
citizenship based on ethnicity, religion, etc.  All are based on
residency and language requirements (with restrictions for military
personnel, criminals, and such).

To say that the citizenship status will be determined by ethnicity
implies that THE ETHNIC GROUP IN QUESTION, AS A WHOLE OR PRIMARILY, is:
	a) incapable of learning the local language, or is
	b) incapable of living there for whatever residency
	   requirement is finally determined, or is
	c) a member of the military, criminal class, etc.

So which is it?

--
Gunars V. Lucans  --  gunars@spss.com  --  SPSS Inc, Chicago, USA
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: News from xussr
Date: 13 Aug 1992 22:36:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <TPS-L%92081215440094@INDYCMS.BITNET> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>The world now have 15 new countries from x-USSR. What chages are occured there?
>Yelthin is a x-communist, Kravchuck is a x-communist, Nsarbyev is x-communist,

What would you expect? There were no way to do anything in USSR, if you are
not communist, at least in industry, trade and politics. People who wanted
to do something became communists. So, by 1985 most of people of energy
and capabilities were communists. I do not think that number of people who
are able to do something, but would not do it from ideological consideration
is so big in any country. Moreover, those people are good as moral example,
but I would not think they are that good as leaders. Would they have enough
energy for leadership, that would through away any ideology, positive or
negative. I do not think it is bad that many communists and even x-CPSU
officials are still occupaing high rank positions in x-USSR, espessially
if one is speaking about industry.

>and other? What chages are there? You can blame communist for wrongdoing, but
>they still  in power. Yelthin is printing rubbles to hold the army. This has a

Some people think, that in Russia they do not print enough roubles, and THAT
kills economy, as for the army, don't USA have some debt, partially for
same reason?

>great effect of all new countries? Distribution was centralized from Moscow,
>now is from Kiev, Vilnus, Tallin, Riga, Kishenev, Minsk, Tashkent, Alma-Ata,
>Dushanbe, Frunze(or a new name), Moskow, Tbilisi, Erevan and Baku. What changes
> occurred there?   Dima.

I may weel be wrong, but I have the feeling that there are too much changes,
resulting in chaos. It can be that going fast into chaos and then emerging
back is fastest way, and it may be not.

Yury
From: RUBAN@hartford.bitnet ("Timur Y. Ruban")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: RE: Model Republic
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

From:         "Michael C. Wu" <mikie@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU>

>       I have done months of research on the Soviet Republics and
>     have tracked down their paths towards independence.  My findings
>     conclusively show that Armenia has satisfied all of the
>     makings of a true democracy.  Armenia is the only nation in the
>     Caucasus where a Government has not been overturned by a coup
>     d'etat.  Armenia provides freedom of expression, press, and religion,
>     not only to its Armenians but also to its minorities (Kurds, Yesedis,etc.)
>       In addition, Armenia has proved itself as a nation full of economic
>     potential, by providing its people with some of the fastest reforms in
>     the CIS.
>       Politically, and diplomatically, Armenia has handled itself in a
>     manner in which even its neighbors (ie: turkey) can learn from.
>     Armenia has between 100 and 150 nuclear war-heads, and has shown
>     much restraint, even if often provoked, in the Azerbaijani (north of Iran)
>     instability and chaos.  Azerbaijan has shown its willingness to be
>     incorporated into turkey, and is currently trying to occupy southern
>     Armenia for that end.  Indeed, Azerbaijan will then be connected to her
>     fatherland.  Armenia, though, has held off declaring war on Azerbaijan
>     as she recognizes the need to keep the CIS a workable unit.
>       I salute Armenia and its people for showing to the world that
>     nations can and should aspire to the American ideal of Democracy.
>
>     Ictenlikle sizin,
>
>     A Human

Would you please be so kind to identify what do you consider by "a nation with
full economic potential" and what without it?

Timur
From: nywg@pczz.msk.su (Yurii V Gerasimov)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: connections...
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:17:24 GMT
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Organization: PC Center "Techno"

>I would like to write to anybody in x-ussr.
>Dmitrii.
>
Hi.
You are wellcome.

Regards,
Yurii
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From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Comments on Document n2constr.doc of the LC Archives
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:50:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU ("VALENTINE M. SMITH") writes:

>>The Commission found that violations of construction technology and
>>design deviations have been documented.

>Clear from the preceding section.

Not at all.  Note that the first memo talks about problems with the
second generating unit.  The second memo talks about the first unit.

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From: CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU ("VALENTINE M. SMITH")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Comments on Document ad2kulak.doc of the LC Archives
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:08:38 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>11-8-18

>                                          Send to Penza
>                                          To Comrades Kuraev,
>                                          Bosh, Minkin and
>                                          other Penza communists

>Comrades!  The revolt by the five kulak volost's must be suppressed
>without mercy.  The interest of the entire revolution demands this,
>because we have now before us our final decisive battle "with the
>kulaks."  We need to set an example.

This letter of Lenin's of August, 1918 shows how ruthless he was
capable of being. What if he had lived, and never had his strokes?
Would he have done all that Stalin did?

>1) You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public
>sees) at least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the
>bloodsuckers.

Lenin understood the use of terror. This kind of thing would have
struck DEEP terror in the populace.

>2) Publish their names.

Tarnish them and their family in the community's eyes.

>3) Take away all of their grain.

As a matter of course.

>4) Execute the hostages - in accordance with yesterday's
>telegram.

Lenin played hardball, he shows it here.

>This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds
>of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let's choke
>and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.

Lenin partially backed away from such bloodthirsty vehemence, Stalin
never did.

>Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.

>                                               Yours, Lenin

>P.S.  Use your toughest people for this.

Only they would have carried out such orders.

>..................................
>TRANSLATOR'S COMMENTS:  Lenin uses the derogative term
>kulach'e in reference to the class of prosperous peasants.  A volost'
>was a territorial/administrative unit consisting of a few villages and
>surrounding land.

>                                                          [not numbered]

As I recall from the 47 volume works of Lenin, most documents are
numbered and dated. This one is apparently dated, but not numbered.
VMS
From: verbit@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Standing Trial (was re: a question)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:36:51 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Aug18.002658.14845@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
		Timur Ruben wrote:
>>Murder is always a murder.  
>>Nobody gave us the right to take away human's life.

	What a gutless attitude! Some jerks should be killed
	at any rate. For instance, mutlu. Or Russian
	Emperor with his family. If ASALA/ARF/ASAP
	indeed exist (I doubt) they deserve our respect.

>Indeed, no one gave you this right; it has to be taken, and
>Schwartsbard and Tehlirian did just that.

>>A criminal against humanity have to be tried  in court in front of everybody,
>>not just assasinated.

	He he, mutlu and cosar are criminals against
	humanity, in particular bandwidth. Who will
	try them in the court? If the goverment is incapable
	to defend people, they should do this themselves.
	Like Charles Manson did.

>Note that the assasins insisted on standing trial for their deeds, which,
>in the words of Georges Suarez, "signified that their race had finally
>decided to defend itself, to leave behind its moral abdication, to overcome
>its resignation in the face of insults".  Had they not exercised their
>right to take away the lives of murderers of their people, both Petliura
>and Talaat Bey would very likely have lived to ripe old age, inspiring many
>other killers.

	And like other criminals did. Remember Makhno?


>>>"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."

>>Best regards,
>>Timur Ruban
>>"Ad mortius nihil veritas"

>Say what?


>cordially,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."

Say what?

diarretically,
mikhail verbit<sky>math.harvard.edu,
"Morgen, Morgen, nur nicht Heute, sagen alle faulen Leute."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: Ilya Tambovtsev <ilya@rich.chel.su>
Subject: Welcom you on South Ural (Russia)
Reply-To: ilya@rich.chel.su
Organization: unknown
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:36:31 GMT

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: I enjoy Hasan's garbage postings...NOT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:31:24 GMT
Organization: HMS

H----, come out, come out wherever you are.  I know you're listening,
H----. I read your posts the last two days and noticed your text had
a little red in it.  Or was that just your blood boiling from being called
hypocritical pet all day long by your bosses.

And now, since you have been saying these hateful things about people you must
learn a lesson.
You must pay for your mistake, and that mistake was to pick on and open your
mouth and talk trash about the most honorable people on the face of this earth.
You must be disciplined, ya hear (I hear ya!).  You must be tortured, ya' hear
(I hear ya!).  You must wake up every day with the acids in your belly 
bubblin', ya hear (I hear ya!).  Your stomach in knots, ya hear (I hear ya!)
You will learn about humiliation, ya hear (I hear ya!).  When I'm done with
you the only thing you'll be doing is pulling a buggy around the AT&T parking
lot for visitors to feed sugar cubes to, ya' hear (I hear ya!).  You see,
when your head got too big and you thought people are too afraid to
say anything other than "yes" to you, you got rabid in your blood and wanted
to hurt other people.  Now, H---- man, you piss Americans off, you
get disciplined one time.  You piss off Armenians, you get disciplined a
second time.  But when you piss Usenet off, well I just keep 
comin', 'til you apoligize; tell the world you're wrong and show me that
you've got your mind right.  Cause if not you arrogant, jealous, ghetto
trash piece of scum, I'm gonna keep comin', all over ya 'til you do 
apoligize.  I have made a committment to you, ya' hear (I hear ya!).  I 
have decided to focus all my anger on you, ya' hear (I hear ya!).  I am
not afraid.  I have no fear.  I must teach you humility, ya' hear (I hear
ya!).  Because I piss on you and everything you're about, do you hear me
H----.  This is your wake-up call, you overrated, lying, unappreciative,
bigot, big-mouth, big-ass, nanny-goat, horse-headed, talentless,
womanizin', been to every Michigan whore party, jive cold-blooded,
basic two-faced, chitling eatin', opportunist,
hum-bug artist, fly by night, low-life, cornbread-eatin',
stab in the back, bo-legged, catfish eatin', tryin' to act like you
don't have no Geri curl in that motor oil dipped bucket head of yours, can't
go out with enough women you slimy, smelly, silly, I am the world,
I'll kick Armenian ass -- not, piece of garbage, bucktooth,
triangle head, Macy's day parade float butt, K-Mart leather wearin',
bug-eyed san tacku mobile phone usin', I gotta be in every newsgroup
people that work with me don't even like me, Usenet's house boy can't
even look into the computer screen cause I'm lookin' back at him,
shallow, insecure, bed-wetting, how come they make fun of me on  
talk.politics.soviet mokey bastard!

-Mark
The views are expressed are not mine or anyone else's for that matter.
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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Fake?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:30:00 GMT
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Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


RS>Mutlu's posting policies are explicable if he is trying
RS>to stir up anger against Turks or discredit Turkish policy.
RS>Not otherwise.  Any reason to believe that he actually
RS>has such a hidden agenda?

 A reply to message <16n29gINNh3m@agate.berkeley.edu> has been posted
 to soc.culture.greek and soc.culture.turkish.
 Those interested, please follow the thread there.

 Thanks.

 Michael.

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From: RUBAN@hartford.bitnet ("Timur Y. Ruban")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Khmelnitsky and Jews (was Re: a question)
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

From:         Dmitri Leschiner <dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM>

>>Ukrainians lived with Jews if not quite peacefully,
>>but without holocausts
>
>Especially in Bohdan Khmelnitsky's times.

Holocaust was an specific series of actions, targeted on the distruction of
one nation.
  War, which was led by Khmelnitsky was war for independence.  Some obser-
vations about it:
      1.  Khmelnitsky was NOT Ukrainian shovinist.  His army included all
nationalities - Russians (his chief-Secretary - Ivan Vygodsky), Poles (thousands
of peasants who joined both Sich and Khmelnitsky's army), Tatars (thousands
of nomads, led by Tugai-Bei, who was 'blod brother' with Khmelnitski),
almost any other nationality in the face of members of Sich, the most inter-
national community of those times (which also included Germans, Czhehs, Jews -
maybe in large 'quantities', but included).
      2.  Jews were NOT among enemies, proclaimed by Khmelnitski.  The war was
organized not even against Poland (Khmelnitski deeply respected King Vladislav
who died in his presence, taking an oath from Boghdan not to harm the nation
but just those from 'schlyahta' who were guilty of crimes against people in
both Poland and Ukraine).
      3.  Each war means innocent victims.  They always were and as Jews at
those times in Ukraine were mostly owners of Pubs ("shinok"), it is unfortuna-
tely not surprising that they were victims of drunks 'warriors' from both sides.

I agree that among Ukrainians there was a lot of nationalists (who by the way
did not make a difference between Jew or Russian or anybody else), guilty of
crimes, commited against different nationalities, as much as there were a lot
of crimes (not less) committed against Ukrainians.  It is not time, again
to settle accounts - as Christ said "DO not judge and you won't be judged".
It is not decent to guilt the nation for the crimes of some of its members.
And I hope that similar questions will not blind our minds in our present rela-
tions between different cultures and nationalities.

Timur.
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: a question
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:20:07 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Ukrainians lived with Jews if not quite peacefully,
>but without holocausts

Especially in Bohdan Khmelnitsky's times.
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