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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Hazel Eyes
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Sep 92 06:49:45 GMT

In article <T33oqB2w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson) writes:
> 
>what the hell color is hazel, anyway?  is that anything like chartruese?
> 
>what happened to blue, green, grey etc....

It's just that some of us have eye colors nor describable by normal
terminology.  Mine are *ahem* mostly a kind of light brown with a lot of
gold flecks, and sort of grey rims (darker on one side, though) and more
than a small bit of green in them so that they look green when I have my
infrequent pink-derived eyeshadow on.

It's easier to just use the word "hazel" as a catch-phrase for eyes that
are a combination of the other most findamental colors.

Blessings,
Janis   

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Favorite Bible Verses
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:57:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.142801.9350@spider.co.uk>, alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes...
>In article <8SEP199221092286@jane.uh.edu> lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>>>Paul a deciple of Christ said
>>
>>I think it is important to note that Paul was a roman.  Romans
> 
>Paul was Jewish.  He was from the city Tarsus, and may have been pretty
>Hellenized, but nonetheless he was Jewish, as he was a pains to point
>out in several of his letters.  He did have Roman citizenship, but
>that didn't stop him being Jewish by culture and self-identification.

Paul was jewish and he did have roman citizenship.  However
how he thought and acted can only be speculated at.  I have
always been one who felt that actions speak louder than
words.  I could say that I like black people, but if I didn't
spend time with black people, didn't have black friends,
and generally worked against black people many would question
my statement that "I like black people". 

Paul took great pains to note that he was jewish.  Why?  Because
everything he did, he did like romans do.  His version of
Xtianity is full of romanisms.  My memory fades on all of them
, but here are a couple.

The structure of his church is identical to the structure of
the roman government.

He felt that women should be placed under men.  Jesus taught
that we are all equal in the eyes of the lord.  In fact
Jesus was far ahead of his time in the equality game.

I'd have to go back and find the others, but I know there 
are many.  As I said, Actions......

Tammy
From: alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: pagan self-defense
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 13:59:56 PDT
Organization: BLa Bla Bla Bla Bla BLa BLa Concord,Ca

Personally, I believe twe pagans should keep a gun or two around
the house... because in this time period, the firearm is the most
workable tool for self-defense. 

Whether the intruder who shows up at 2 AM in your home is simply a
crack junkie who wants to trade your stereo for a fix ... or one
of several fundies who has discovered that your family is pagan
and has decided that "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" means
you and your entire family ... if you run into an unidentified intruder,
you are better off with a gun in hand. Time to bring this up now because
with an incumbent President running on a campaign platform of stirring
hatred against minorities, we had better look at the question of 
selfdefense. NOW.    

Bright Blessings
A.Lizard
  alizard@tweekco.uucp  OR  boo!tweekco!alizard@PacBell.COM
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: pagan self-defense
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:24:16 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <2AADACAF.22086@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>This is a good point; it also goes for revolvers, though.  I remember
>seeing a little doohickey that held six rounds in it for easy loading
>into a revolver.  YOu just shove the cylinder to one side like you do
>normally, stick the loading doohickey up against it, push, and presto!
>Your revolver is loaded in about a gezillionth of a second.  Of course,
>you're still going to want to keep them close to each other, which may
>negate any safety effects of keeping it unloaded in the first place.
>I can't help it; all I can think about is the kids that would get
>killed.  

	What you are talking about is called a speedloader.  I don't
think its qui{te as fast as a clip, but it sure beats loading a
revolver manually.  Police use 'em all the time.

	I remember seeing something cool in a locksmith's shop:  It
was a device that went around the trigger guard (and maybe the trigger too)
and locked so that there was no way possible to get at the trigger.  Note
that this makes the weapons safer, but not safe.  I think revolers can be
fired if the hammer is manually brought back and dropped, and some 
semi-autos (notably the Berretta, and notably NOT the Glock) will
fire if it is dropped.

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From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Wicca and the SCA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:15:16 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:

> 	How historically accurate is the SCA trying to be?
> 	Was the open display of pagan symbols in the time period that
> the SCA is concerned with a Very Dangerous Thing(tm)?
> 
> 	If the org is trying to be true to a time period when it was a 
> dangerous thing to disply pagan symbols, it is probably better that they
> do it by not allowing the symbology to be used, rather than following the
> actual methods of the Church.  
> 	On the other hand, if the org is NOT trying to be historically
> accurate, or if the individual is representing a historically accurate
> person from within the time-frame of the SCA, then the banning of pagan
> symbology is silly.  

The time period that the SCA works within is (with some arguments, 
depending on who you talk to!) 800 AD to 1650 AD. Some push it as far 
back as 600 AD and forward to about 1670, but 800-1650 is generally 
accepted. You can see that depending on WHERE you are in the world, 
that can cover a lot of spiritual ground. Plenty of room for a Pagan 
to find a home prior to the introduction (or assault) of Christianity.

I prefer to place myself as an 8th Cent. Irish Brewer and Troubador. 
(Yes I know that means 700's) This should give me plenty of room to 
live my faith as well as The Dream(tm).

Blessed Be.

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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: How many ______ does it take to change a light bulb?
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:43:52 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

> 
> How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
> 
> Fish.
> 

I had heard that answer for Zen Bhuddists...

:)


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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: names
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:54:32 GMT

This subject is interesting to me; I suppose ny own name has pretty much
snuck up and attached itselftome, even though I don't "use" it in any
real sense.  I'm a Solitary, so no one else knows what it is, although
people I'm close to can probably guess if they think about it.

I didn't actively seek any other name, and I didn't have any kind of
ceremony or anything.  I don't use the name (when I think of myself I
think Janis), and I don't use it in any ceremonial context.  It's kind
of just *there*.  When I start talking about things important to me, or
start researching things, or thinking about things, the name just
surfaces in my brain, almost like a noun, a "proper" name (not "proper"
meaning "own," but meaning the most suitable) that says what I am.

If I were to "take" a coven name (if I were to join a coven), this would
be it, but I would still feel strange about telling people what it was.
The depth of the process by which this name found me is simply too much
to describe.  I could only shrug my shoulders.

Oh, well.  I just thought I add my own sqt4 cents to this thing.

Blessings,
Janis
 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson)
Subject: Different Types Of Wicca...???
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:13:27 GMT

If one never asks, one will never find out...

Greetings! I am aware that there are many different types
of Wicca. How many types are there and what are they?

Also, I am leaning more towards the Dianic Wiccan.
Can anyone recommend any books on the Dianic?

Thanks,
Donita
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New pagans and reading
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 08:08:34 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:

> I still *want* to go see Stonehenge, but I'm not so sure that I *know*
> what it is or isn't anymore. :-)
> 
> 				Wolfe

I will not say exactly where as this could compromise them, but 
somewhere just north of Houston on private land stands a stone circle. 
It was erected jointly by Wiccan and Asatru elements there, and is 
used by many groups. It stands atop a hill, and although the menhirs 
are only 3 foot tall or so, the layout is astronomically correct for 
the latitude and longitude of the site, and is used for rituals on a 
regular basis. The power and serenity there are beyond belief, 
especially on a cool October night as the drums beat in the distance 
at the camps, and those of us who dare stand atop the hill amid the 
stones and greet our dead and our Gods.

For those who know what it means, it is a truly great experience.

Blessed Be.


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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: "Jesus did not claim divinity" (WHY ?)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:17:25 GMT

altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:

>In article <BuBpqG.Hty@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>>Is it just me or is this Jesus thread in the wrong newsgroup?

>You can always skip the posts. Usually the titles are indicative. I don't
>think anybody posts to be annoying (aside from the obvious attempts at
>conversion from the Colvins et al.). 

Of course you are right and pointed out many compelling reasons that the
discussion IS appropriate..thanks for setting me straight. Hope I 
didn't offend anyone.
>Blessings,
back at 'ya
>Murray
/al

-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Men's Mysteries
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:46:10 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

hnewstrom@hnewstrom.ess.harris.com (Harvey Newstrom) writes:

> I see a balance between God and Goddess or Men and Women.  It takes two
> parents to create a child, one of each sex.  For anyone to give more credit
> to one sex is sexist.  To speak in mythological terms of God and Goddess, sur
> the Mother Goddess created the child God.  Without the Mother Goddess, there
> would be no child God.  But who created the Mother Goddess?  The Father God
> created the Mother Goddess out of the Maiden Goddess.  Without the Father God
> the Maiden Goddess would never have become the Mother Goddess.
>
> The Father God transforms the Maiden into the Mother.  The Mother transforms
> the Father God's seed into the child God.  The child God grows up and leaves,
> transforming the Mother Goddess into the Crone Goddess.  He meets the maiden
> Goddess who transforms him into the Lover, no longer a child. . .
>
> The cycle continues forever, as two strands of DNA winding about each other,
> continually creating and recreating the next generation.

bullshit.  if you want to say "in MY SYSTEM, this is the way it happens" fine.
but don't mak blanket statements like this.  there are no universal truths
abotu the goddess, and that it certainly one of the universal truths that there
isn't.

in the dianic system, the goddess does not need a father god to do anything for
her.  and we like it that way.  keep your heteropatriarchal opinions off my
goddess!

                                                -ailsa

p.s. ever heard of AI?  sperm involved, but no father...

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From: v102qqq5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HIGH PRIESTESS)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Celtic religion course
Keywords: Cool!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug28.191413.2627@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes...
> 
> 
>I was looking through the "Professional and Career Development Courses and
>Workshops" offered at one of our local universities and noticed a course in
>"Celtic Religion."  The description reads:
> 
>"The course gives an introduction to this religion from the information
>given by the classical authors for Gaul and Britain and then from the
>native Celtic traditions of a later date.  The course will review the
>Celtic pantheon with special consideration to the Druids, the Cult of
>the Head, the Goddesses of Britain, the Horned God, the Celtic
>Otherworld, and examine how pagan traditions became transformed in the 
>Christian Celtic world and were interwoven into the medieval literatures
>of Wales and Ireland even into the world of Arthur and the Holy Grail.
>In order to create a context in which the evidence can be seen in 
>relation to other cultural factors, some Celtic history will also be
>introduced, and as the evidence for Celtic religion is varied and
>often difficult to interpret, you will be exposed to some critical
>analysis of source material."
> 
>(typing errors, if any, are mine)
> 
>This sounds like a great course... and I can even claim it on my income
>tax return! :)  Got to love it when the government is sponsoring
>Paganism.



I am wondering at what college is this course being taught. If you would be so
kind as to send me this info. as soon as possible it would be greatly 
appreciated...     Thank you.


                              High Priestess
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: "Jesus did not claim divinity" (WHY ?)
Summary: all things are buddha things
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<1992Sep9.211043.10271@csus.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:56:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.211043.10271@csus.edu> 
altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>I mentioned in a post a few weeks ago my trials in trying to buy a 
>decent old testament bible. I called all over town, but whenever I 
>tried to explain that I was searching for a "scholarly" bible, the 
>salesperson would rather rudely exclaim that they "did not CARRY any
>LIBERAL bibles here, sir!" Followed by a harumph or two.

You mean like JPS:Tanakh, ISBN:0-8276-0252-9?

1986 Special Publication Award - Biblical Archaeology Society
"The first entirely new English version of the Scriptures based on the
original Hebrew text" - New York Times
"Unrivaled as a precise and elegant rendering of the Hebrew text ...
invaluable for both casual Bible readers and serious Bible students." 
- Biblical Archaeology Review
"The strength ... of the new Bible, rendered directly from the Hebrew to
English, is that it ignores the wording of all past Christian
translations and turns Holy Writ into fresh, understandable, contempory
language ..." - TIME magazine

JPS:Genesis1:
(1) When God began to create heaven and earth - (2) the earth being
unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind
from God sweeping over the water - (3) God said, "Let there be light";
and there was light. (4) God saw that the light was good, and God
separated the light from the darkness. (5) God called the light Day, and
the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was
morning, a first day.
From: idfraser@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ian Fraser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <flame risk HIGH>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 03:06:21 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
- They were a large, savvy business organization.  They had a lot of
- money, and more influence than King Louis IV of France thought they ought


 Actually, I think that was Phillip the Fair, not Loius...


-  If the history is true, deMolay was a pretty
- svy magician as well: from the stake, he cursed both Louis IV and Pope
- Innocent, that they would meet him in hell within a year, and in fact
- both died within twelve months of his immolation.

As I recall the legend, DeMolay called both to "judgment before the throne of
God", one within the month, and one within the year. Both died as fortold.


' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
 
Bright Blessings to you and yours!  
 
Hawk
 
Circle of Ashtoreth, 
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Maelstrom
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:49:06 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1q7mqB7w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
writes:

><Deleted>
>Xxxxxx,
>It has come to my attention that you have expressed interest in becoming 
>active in the Craft.  I have also learned of your desire to join the 
>whites.
>
> I am unaware of weather or not you have a teacher, but this is of little 
>consequense.  This is a very bad time to become active.  Currently there 
>is a war taking place, and this is why it is a bad idea to become active. 
> If you are self tought, then you will either be found and used or 
>killed.  If you are being tought chances are you are being used as a pawn 
>by the one teaching you.
>
>I am convaying this message to you out of responsibility as a white.
>
>MAELSTROM
>
>Donal, I don't know what to make of this..or how they associated me with 
>the hobby shop...but if you can find out anything, please let me 
>know...this is kinda spooky....thanks...
>-------------
>Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Wierd...  I wish I could help...  But this does rase a few questions at my end
that "Maelstrom" thinks are fairly well known...

Where is this "War"?  What is this "War"?  When he says "whites" is he refering
to skin color or magical practice style?  Etc. Etc. Etc...

Any ideas on these?  If I hear anything, I'll pass 'em on.  My curiosity has
been piqued...

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: pagan self-defense
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:07:10 GMT

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
: In article <1992Sep14.035113.22335@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >
: >Nope. The government gave up the pretext of "rehabilitation" long ago.
: >
: >Bill
: 
: Then if the government gave up the idea of rehabilitation, they should
: just kill everyone from the jaywalkers to the Dahmer-loons.  Isn't that
: consistent?  If not, we're talking about judging whose crime is worthy
: of life and whose of death.  Given the current state of this place, I'm
: not prepared to trust that judgement to the PTB.

I am not arguing the merits of the arguement for and against the death
penalty. My comment was only to affirm that criminals are put into prison
as punishment. At least, that is what they are supposed to be there for.

: BTW, I know who lives and who dies -- whomever does the most
: sensationalistic, saddest crime dies, especially if that crime involves
: blood and gore.  The S&L freaks, though?  The guys who bilked the
: country out of 250 *BILLION* dollars?  Nope, they can live.  While the
: looney-tune crazies who cut people up are certainly never going to do
: any good to this world, I think the S&L crooks impacted this country far
: more intimately.  Why, then, are they still walking around?

I agree. Plus, they get to keep all their stolen money. They get to keep
it because, as a group, they have a lot of influence in Congress. Some
of them even were/are congress critters. One is the son of our current
President.

Bill
From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Christian Census
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:26:00 GMT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

Bolt yer doors and pull down the curtains!  Here they come.  September 
20th a number of evangelical churches are going to hold what they call 
"The Christian Census".  That is, on that date they intend to have a 
massive door to door campaign designed to ask every man, woman and child 
in America, "have you found Jesus"?  Just thot you all would like to 
know. 
  You hear the knock on the door.  You know it's 'them'.  You go to the 
door, you open it and you say................................


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