HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Turbo X
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:12:00 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov09.174456.27309@microsoft.com> dougr@microsoft.com (Doug Rosencrans) writes:
>Anyone have any opinions or info on the Turbo X?
>
Design of the regular Turbo, but with the high-resin urethane.  I have
two of them, but haven't gotten around to drilling either as of this
posting.  Reports from bowlers whose games I respect say that the Turbo
X is similar to the Nu-Line X-Calibur, and maybe even more reactive.
One person drilled it pin-axis, and said the ball reacted more evenly
than expected.  Label drilling seems to give "cheater" balls the most
late snap, and I suspect the Turbo X to be no different.  An update 
after Friday, when I can get away to drill one...



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: keith@rss.dl.nec.com (Keith Becker)
Subject: Reporting scores
Organization: NEC America
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:26:20 GMT

Seems like with all these FBL members, we may want to think about
easing the league secretary's job by automating the collection of
scores. I've seen this scheme used before on the net to collect
ballots in various polls (mostly done in various .music newsgroups).
The idea is pretty simple; you mail a standard form to report your
scores, with a special keyword in the subject line. The recipient
can then run them through a program to process the scores.

Just an idea (so no flames, now! :-)

Keith Becker
NEC America
Richardson, TX
(email: keith.becker@rss.dl.nec.com)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: FBL
Organization: Technology Research Group, SAIC
From: frodo@logjam.trg.saic.com (James R. Brownell III)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 19:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.135313.6825@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <1992Nov06.001408.18403@watson.ibm.com> Andy Cookingham,
>cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com writes:
>>Seams like a good time to jump into the fray. I have been reading the
>>news for a couple of weeks.		      
>>I think the FBL is a good idea. Count me in.									       							
>>
>
>Welcome to the fracas Andy, and may God have mercy on your soul...
>;-) ..
>
>-Aki
>The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
>E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
>(202)458-1112
>DoD 0628
>PBA 2294
>*************************************
>"How come the best bowling ball for
>me is always the one I don't own?"
>*************************************


Hi, I've also been reading this group for awhile now. I also would like to

        join the FBL. I'm bowling in 2 leagues, averaging 175 in a mixed league

        and 176 in a men's league....


    My Pro Hook Extreme has just shown up .. this should be interesting..



                   Jim Brownell

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: josborne@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Jason Osborne)
Subject: Re: Misc things that piss me off...
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Nepean
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:05:32 GMT

mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg) writes:
: 18. Entirely-above-the-lane ball returns which get in the way when
:     you're trying to shoot cross alley (Can you say "broken foot"?). 
: 
: 					MGG
I totally agree with this, we have a couple of centres Down Under
that have these blasted things. I bowled at one 2 weeks ago and I
Kept hitting my right leg on the ball return on the right hand lane.

The results for the day were 122, 15?, 19?. I can only remember the 122
game, what a nightmare. Another highlight was bowling 3 gutter
balls because I hit the return so hard it made my body pivot
to the right before I let the ball go.

Even my girlfriend beat me and her average is about 60 pins below mine.

My solution is not to bowl at any place that has those type of ball
returns.

			Jason Osborne
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:23:48 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Draft - FBL Rules

In article <1992Nov6.164305.28222@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
says:
>
>There will be no entering averages.

I slightly disagree with this one.  If a sanctioned average exists to
select which league sets to use, then this should be used as an entering
average (we would also need to submit total pins and number of games.)
Unless this is done, the FBL average will probably be different than any
sanctioned average held by a bowler.  Not that I'm really concerned about
trustworthiness, but sticking to what's sanctioned makes a quick check
with the ABC records so much easier.

Of course, non-league bowlers would simply develop an FBL average.

>All bowlers  must notify the League  Secretary,  by email, 24 hours in
>advance of using a different  league's  scores and it must be prior to
>the new leagues  start.  You may not use scores from a league that has
>already been bowled.  If these  criteria  are not met the weeks scores
>will be considered a forfeit.

Can we be a bit more specific here?  What if we won't be able to bowl any
leagues some week (week long conference, etc...)?  Is there a provision
for a "plug" that's different than a forfeit?  Like, maybe, 24 hours
prior to the week when no actual games will be bowled the bowler may
notify the League Secretary to use a "plug".  A plug shall be 15 pins
under the current average (or whatever.)  Without notification a forfeit
is the only way to go.

>Subs will not be used in this league.

Agreed.  So let's make that previous ruling a bit more clear.  I don't
think that throwing no games some week must necessarily be a forfeit.

>The League  Secretary will get the Fee of $0 for all the hard labor he
>puts forth.  :-)

I don't think so!  I'll follow-up a post that Aki made.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: We broke 40...
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:14:20 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


The FBL now consists of 40 members!!  If your name is not on this list I
humbly apologize and please send me a reminder to check my mail or this
notesgroup better....


Me (Dave Fleck - League Secretary)	fleck@cs.itc.hp.com
Bob Ashley			ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Keith Becker			keith@rss.dl.nec.com
Dana Boisvert			dboisver@cs.ulowell.edu
James Brownell			frodo@logjam.trg.saic.com
Bill Bulko			wcbulko@rapids.austin.ibm.com
Carl Chesbrough			carl@wrs.com
Tammy Chesbrough		carl@wrs.com
Andy Cookingham			cookinga@vnet.ibm.com
Dave Dalke			pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Aki Damme			aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
Lynn Damme			aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
Tony DeBari			tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us
Dave Drab			daved@rocky.gte.com
Mark Dunster			dunster@sdsu.edu
Pamela Fitts			L621035@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
Eric Freese			ericf@meaddata.com
Mike Gross			gross@cis.ohio-state.edu
Mike Haffley			mike@cnc.iupui.edu 
Jeff Hammond			jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA
Brenda Hammond	 		jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA
Rob Hayles			rh2@ukc.ac.uk
Mark Hunt			mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu
Mike Karin			mikek@col.hp.com
Dave Kennerud			kennerud@math.cornell.edu
Larry King			king@ssvax.gte.com
Richard Krause			rich@balr.balr.com
Garth Longdon			longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Mark Miller			MAX@psuvm.psu.edu
Barbara Newell			bnewell@AFIT.AF.MIL
Paul Palmer			palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov	
Walter Perz			wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu
Alan Peterman			al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
Dave Rhoda			dkr@raster.Kodak.COM
Brian Schroeder			BSCHROEDER@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Mike Thompson			MGTST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Keith Voss			kvoss@theory.pppl.gov
Michael Ward			mdward01@mik.uky.edu
Jeff Wilk			JWILK@auvm.american.edu
Anne Woods			awoods@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Do you group in the dark?
Organization: the vms company
Date: 10 NOV 92 11:17:56 EST



	Taking a line of thought from my archery days, I casually arose
	from my bed this morning around 3am and went downstairs to the
	fireplace above which I keep a board. Since the lighting was minimal,
	only moonlight filtering through the window shade, the best I could do
	was to make out the general outline and direction of the board. While
	I was sure I could interpolate the center of the board, I couldn't
	see at all where any of the darts were landing. To my surprise and
	delight, I found that in several turns I was able to repeatedly
	shoot 1-handed groups. Albeit, they were all about 2 inchs above 
	the cork, I felt that the mere grouping of the shots was significant.
	There was very little lateral straying and had I been perhaps a few
	inchs further from the board, they may have all been properly
	centered around the cork.

	Has anyone else tried something like this? I think this would be a
	good indication of form and consistency. Should this be considered a
	legitimate way to practice, or would it be just a novelty? I may
	have to repeat this lights-out practice. Besides, turning on the
	lights would have hurt my eyes!  :-)


	Be the dart! 
	Darts are good.
	Trust your darts.
	Darts are your friends.  - Zen and the art of darts. (1987)

Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Splash (?) vs Diddle.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:14:03 GMT
Summary: New alt.sport.darts poster.
Keywords:  What the H*ll is splash?





	Ok, a couple of questions from a novice thrower.

	First, What is splash (as a method of determining who throws 
	first...)

	Second, when you diddle, do both throwers throw at once?
	Is there a counter who counts to three or something...



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      Bubby's Benched!         | shooters than you can shake a stick at!
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: bb11807@medtronic.COM (Brian A. Blow)
Subject: Re: Playing darts over the net.
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:51:12 GMT

Chuck Grant (grant@delvalle.llnl.gov) wrote:
: Anyone here ever played darts over the net?
: 
: Just run the Unix "talk" program (or whatever else you have on your
: system that does the same thing) and type in what you hit after each
: throw.  (I understand that Sun workstations do not implement the talk
: protocol properly and can not connect with other Unix workstations, other
: that this, I think that talk is fairly iniversal for Unix.)
:
If you don't care about being able to complete a game quickly, there is
no reason that you couldn't run a game through e-mail.  That way those of
us with Suns can join in.  This would be like the people who play chess
through e-mail or snail-mail.
 
brian.blow@medtronic.com
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: rec.sport.darts
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:47:00 GMT
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov5.180705.19569@SSD.intel.com>, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes...
> 
>You'd have a hard time convincing me that darts is a "sport"; however,
>I'd be real interested in hearing opinions on whether darts is a sport
>or a game.
> 
>IMHO, rec.games.darts would be better.  I think you have to equate
>darts along with other tavern/bar games such as pool, pinball,
>foosball, air hockey, etc.

	Simple difference. If it gets televised, (like pool,) it is a sport.
	If companies sponsor tournaments in larger cities it is a sport.
	If tournament prizes are enought to let people make their living
	playing something, it is a sport.

	I know that darts is televised, (more often in england but here.)
	Chicago has the Windy city open as a prime example of a tournament.
	There are pro or at least semi pro dart players.

	I'm not into the others, but I see no televised foosball, air hockey
	etc. and haven't heard of any foosball etc tournaments lately. In a
	similar vein, nobody can make real money playing foosball.

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From: wayne@sw.stratus.com (Wayne Newberry)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: rec.sport.darts
Keywords: n
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:47:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I vote to end the "game versus sport" debate.  I don't see it leading
anywhere productive, and people seem to be getting what they need from
the forum, regardless of what the category is called.

Wayne
From: krazykid@csa.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Playing darts over the net.
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:07:44 GMT
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: bb11807@medtronic.COM's message of 6 Nov 92 16:51:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.165112.4280@medtron.medtronic.com> bb11807@medtronic.COM (Brian A. Blow) writes:

   Chuck Grant (grant@delvalle.llnl.gov) wrote:
   : Anyone here ever played darts over the net?
   : 
   : Just run the Unix "talk" program (or whatever else you have on your
   : system that does the same thing) and type in what you hit after each
   : throw.  (I understand that Sun workstations do not implement the talk
   : protocol properly and can not connect with other Unix workstations, other
   : that this, I think that talk is fairly iniversal for Unix.)
   :

   If you don't care about being able to complete a game quickly, there is
   no reason that you couldn't run a game through e-mail.  That way those of
   us with Suns can join in.  This would be like the people who play chess
   through e-mail or snail-mail.

   brian.blow@medtronic.com

You are able to run talk through a sun.  The problem is that the talk
version that is usually found on a sun is different than most (older).
If you get a program called ntalk it should work fine with other unix
machines that have talk installed.  

Ernie
krazykid@csa.bu.edu
From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: rec.sport.dartsDIR/ALL
Summary: darts as sport
Keywords: sports
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:18:24 GMT
Reply-To: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Followup-To: alt.sport.darts
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

This is another repost of a lost post...

In article <1992Nov5.180705.19569@SSD.intel.com>, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
...stuff cut...

> You'd have a hard time convincing me that darts is a "sport"; however,
> I'd be real interested in hearing opinions on whether darts is a sport
> or a game.

The Government of Ontario, through one of its many ministries, or some
bureaucratic agency, doesn't recognize darts as a sport, because, they
say, it doesn't involve enough muscle groups. I disagree. They got it
wrong. It is a sport, as well as a game. In addition to the obvious,
i.e. the hand-eye coordination and use of the arm and shoulder, there
is the other arm, where you hold the darts waiting to be shot. Your
legs have to be strong and steady, your feet have to be in good shape.
But it is also a mental activity. It requires concentration and discipline,
like how to stay away from the bar, when you want to be at your best.
However, the biggest test of all is to play in a long weekend event.
Three days of standing around and playing darts and climbing stairs to 
the next game and returning to the scoretable and running across the
street to get a hot dog and running back and upstairs and back and 
playing a long one where you are both stuck on double one and back
downstairs and run run run puff puff puff etc, and by Sunday night
you are totally exhausted. If you have hemorroids, you are in big 
trouble, so there is another muscle group to watch... 8^). This is sport.
You have to be in good shape to play well under these conditions.
And if you can't play well then, it is no good playing well the rest
of the year because these are the events that count. 

> IMHO, rec.games.darts would be better.  I think you have to equate
> darts along with other tavern/bar games such as pool, pinball,
> foosball, air hockey, etc.

Pshaw! Air hockey, indeed. SPORT. SPORT. SPORT.

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: Splash (?) vs Diddle.
Organization: the vms company
Date: 13 NOV 92 00:29:36 EST


re:  (G G ZIPFEL) .....
>>>	Ok, a couple of questions from a novice thrower.
>	Well, not really a novice, but I thought this would get

	But GG, I didn't mention anything about novice throwers...you did! :-p

>>>	Second, when you diddle, do both throwers throw at once?
>	We always didle at the same time, otherwise you have to diddle
>	to see who diddles first ...And it's more fun. I understand that
>	when there's a person holding the board that it's their choice,
>	but I usually play on friendlier terms than that.

	Also, you asked if both throwers throw at the same time when 
	"diddling"....I merely answered what I've seen occur. You can play
	however you want to by local rules. But I don't believe standard
	diddle is conducted simultaneously. If you want to and haven't
	already read it, try All About Darts by Brackin and Fitzgerald. 
	Even though it was originally published in 1975 by Double Top 
	Publishing (Chicago Ill), it's still considered quite readable and
	informative.

>	I think what you meant to say was closest to center goes first,
>	and next closest goes next ... right? That's one tought sentence 
>	to follow!

	Yes, isn't that what I wrote? hmmm....was it a run-on?  ;-}

>	Thanks for the info! Any throwers out in the Western Chicago
>	area interested in throwing sometime?

	If you want I could give you some contacts playing in the Chicago
	league. They're not too bad. But, if you ever get into the Detroit
	or Ann Arbor area, I can give you a name of a really strong player. 
	He was ADO regional strength and can shoot up a storm. 

ttfn,
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Splash (?) vs Diddle.
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:06:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

(Gabe Tang) writes:
>
>re: (G G ZIPFEL) ........
>>	Ok, a couple of questions from a novice thrower.

	Well, not really a novice, but I thought this would get
	the quickest response...

>>	First, What is splash (as a method of determining who throws first...)
>>	Second, when you diddle, do both throwers throw at once?
>>	Is there a counter who counts to three or something...
>
	Splash is very interesting. 

>	"Splash" is usually used to determine partners for team games.
>	It typically involves the throwing of 2 darts together/concurrently/at 
>	the same time from the same hand. Both darts should score on the board
>	and the total points recorded and the darts retrieved. Then the next 
>	person does likewise. Prior agreement would be that the 2 high scorers
>	should be 1 team versus the 2 lower scorers. Or otherwise, the highest
>	and lowest scorers will be 1 team versus the 2 middle scoring persons.
>	The rationale for throwing 2 darts is that there is more of a luck
>	or chance factor rather than skill that determines which people will
>	be partners. Randomness if you will. Otherwise, the 2 better shooters
>	might frequently be paired and dominate a board if just a bull shoot
>	were used to determine who plays together. 
>
>	"Diddle" is typically used to determine who or which team will start
>	a game. 1 person from each side/team will throw for the bull. There 
>	is no requirement that both people shoot concurrently. As a matter
>	of practicality, most challengers will shoot for the cork first
>	although I guess it could be reigning winner's choice if he/she
>	chose to go first.

	We always didle at the same time, otherwise you have to diddle
	to see who diddles first ...And it's more fun. I understand that
	when there's a person holding the board that it's their choice,
	but I usually play on friendlier terms than that.
>
>	On another note, in non-partner games, especially those games where
>	more than 2 people are playing, and especially where money is
>	concerned and going earlier is preferred over being last, it is
>	common that the cork shoot (closest to the cork) in descending order,
>	is used as a means of determining who will shoot in which sequence.

	I think what you meant to say was closest to center goes first,
	and next closest goes next ... right? That's one tought sentence 
	to follow!


	Thanks for the info! Any throwers out in the Western Chicago
	area interested in throwing sometime?

email me at zipfel@ihlpm.att.com

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      Bubby's Benched!         | shooters than you can shake a stick at!
"I didn't lose, the Team lost" - Coach
From: cjs01@cd.amdahl.com (Christopher Somers)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Do you group in the dark?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:46:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov10.163858.29080@ryn.mro4.dec.com>,
tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes:
>
>
	[story of throwing in the dark deleted]
>
>	Has anyone else tried something like this? I think this would be a
>	good indication of form and consistency. Should this be considered a
>	legitimate way to practice, or would it be just a novelty? I may
>	have to repeat this lights-out practice. Besides, turning on the
>	lights would have hurt my eyes!  :-)

	One of the ways I practice is similar to what you mention above.
	Basically, I work my way around the board, throwing a set of
	darts at each number.  I try to be ACCURATE (ie - hit what I 
	intended to hit) with the FIRST dart. Even if I do miss my intended
	target, however, I then try to be CONSISTANT with the last two
	darts, and I throw them to attain a good grouping.  This helps
	to develop a repeatable throwing motion.  I've found my grouping
	has greatly improved, and once my accuracy gets better, I just
	might be dangerous ;-)  

	For myself, I define good grouping as all the flights touching 
	(or within range to touch).

Chris
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