From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: continuation on Cyprus, Walmart, Mexico...
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:14:34 GMT

In article <199212220440.AA03704@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>I would not say I'm getting personal; In Besime's case and a bit in
>yours I used universally acceptable Argic Methods. He's been getting
>away with it for years, I might as well ride in his (oops, His) coattails.
Point is not to emulate an unwelcomed attitude.  There
are people in this net who also resort to vulgarity and get
away with it (at least it seems so).  Your track record
was very good to suspect that you would emulate that behavior
too.  But hey!, your patronizing attitude in Besime's case
made me think for a moment.  She has already conceded for
her mistakes regarding your name.  After that point, trying to 
provoke her further is not very intellectual in my opinion. 

>not. You, on the other hand, know better. Again I apologise for the mean
>spirit of my message. I only wish others apologised for their acts.
>

No problem at all.  When I wrote what I wrote, I knew that
i would offend people who deserves better for the sake of getting
through to my target with all regret.  There are some genuine 
attempts here to present their case with respect and dignity.
The others (who I despised immensely) who do not care anybody but 
their own edge.  Their idea is to see how much they can go on by turning
this medium into a mud-wrestling.  Unfortunately, that is what they 
enjoy the most.  The only laguage that they understand is the language 
of their own.  So, one could not help but provide their daily dose for 
the rest of the day.  Ignoring them does not help either. 
Their pea-brain interprets that situation as winning the 
debate.  They come back more obnoxious and repugnant than ever before.
How much one can tolerate reading "ethnic cleansing in Cyprus by Turks"
in the eve of 28th anniversary of the bloody Xmas massacre which were
committed against 203 Turkish people mostly women and children.  There 
were 103 villages had to be evacuated to be bulldozed 28 years ago 
(from yesterday).  How does this jibe with that "ethnic cleansing by 
Turks in Cyprus"?  So, there is a line to be drawn.

>
>Not at all. In all my years of reading soc.culture.whatever this is
>the first time I've seen the analogy come up. I've been debating this since
>1983, by the way, back when I was at the University of Southwestern Louisiana,
>and people like Tuna Ertemalap and Metin Topcan were around (this was a
>bit later, maybe 1985). 
>
>The circumstances surrounding Arafat and Denktash are quite different. I
>do not see how anyone could make the analogy. 

So why GC demand for someone else to negotiate with.  He
is a legitimate TRNC leader.
>
>Since there is no opposition, thanks to the instant-o-citizens (see settlers).
Why there should be an oposition if he demands what is
good for TRNC.  I hope you see the anology after hearing
what you said here.  Arafat has no oposition and he is not a true 
representative of Palestinians.  This is a good tactic to
just blunder the minds in the West.

>
>> Moreover, there is no
>>equitable solution for everybody's satisfaction in Cyprus.
>
>How so? In my own model of the solution, I'd let the 40% occupied land
>stand. I'd let the settlers if they were really necessary, and I'd get
>rid of the Turkish army. I'd organize a TRNC army. So far so good?
>
>Then, I'd start running TRNC as a NATION. Not as a PROTECTORATE which
>is what it basically is now. 
>
>The steps above would ensure that United Nations would take a more
>symphathetic (these %#$% Greek words) attitude towards TRNC. 
>
>Then, under UN's (or anyone else's, i.e. EEC, Arab League, ...) I'd set
>up a commitee to investigate property losses. We are not talking about
>Manhattan, New York, mind you. Cyprus is a small place and  the process
>can get done quickly. I'd only do it at the  immovable property level,
>i.e. houses/businesses. Land will be trickier but I'd say that there is
>enough for everyone. Cyprus' national tree is not the ROCK like in Greece.
>
>It would thus be easy to calculate the amount of $$$ lost to the South
>and North, and appropriate renumeration given to BOTH sides. Since the
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>governments of Greece and Turkiye would also be involved, they could
>contribute some of their $$$ as well.

Remuneration= "pay" right?

Are you serious or just uzo is talking momentarily 8-)?   You 
must be the "bachelor" in popular saying that goes "divorsing wife is 
so easy to a bachelor."  Well. I misunderstood your term of "equitable 
solution" all along then.   If this was your equtable solution, let 
Denktash know it immediately.  He would start the "sirtaki" at the 
moment that he hears this.  Rest assured that he would be more than 
heppy to make you an honorary citizen of TRNC.  He is already willing 
to give up 6% of the land, you know.  This would be a bonus for such 
understanding gesture.  I bet that you would not find a single taker 
from the GC's for this deal.  Otherwise, we would not be here 
discussing this issue.  Even Denktash is not dreaming to get such a 
deal from GCs.  

Cheers! 

C. AKgun
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