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From: straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin)
Subject: Re: (C)Rap "music"
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:58:48 GMT

In article <92258.165516X42529@BARILVM.BITNET> X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.185254.27387@cs.com>, larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) says:
>>
>>In article <50vntag.dx@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
>>>What the hell are you guys talking about?  Rap music isn't music?
>>
>>Damn right, you don't even have to play an instrument to "make" rap.
>>>What is it then?
>>Look at the subject line...
>>>What do you mean by "music"?
>>
>>1. It's got guitars.
>
>classical music has no guitars !!!!!
>
>>2. It's rock and roll.
>
>so then all music beside rock and roll is "not music"? interesting....
>
>>3. If women are involved, they're scantily clad and willing.
>
>doesn't this apply to hard rock and heavy metal?
>
>>4. No references to "OE800" or "a 40" or "big butts" in the lyrics.
>
>so only rap with sex or violence is "not music" while all other is?
>
>>5. None of that drum-machine garbage or scratchy records.
>
>so ALL other acts never use drum machines?
>
>>6. No "performers" with names like "Flavor Flavor."
>
>his name is "Flavor FLAV"
>apparently you don't know anything about rap. My guess is that you have an
> extremely closed mind, and you're trying to load some bull on the net about
> rap. Either that or you get some pleasure out of starting flame wars.
>
>>>I'm amazed this hasn't been discussed here before.
>
>with attitudes like yours, what's to discuss? maybe you mean DIS-CUSS =
> DIS - what you're trying to do.
> CUSS - what people with half a mind are doing to you.
>- peace.

Sigh.  Does _everyone_ need to add smilies for the humor impaired
_all_ the time?  The original "six definitions" were a parody of the
usual "rap is not music" flame war that seems to come up here every
few weeks, and I for one found them pretty darn funny.

Between this insipid flame war and the "Fuck you all..." one (which
really should have run its course by now), I think I'll just head off
to alt.music.alternative until this group is ready to talk about music
again.

Ethan
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From: buckmr@RPI.EDU (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: JULEE CRUISE solo project
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:30:41 GMT


Does anyone know anything about the Julee Cruise Solo project from last year?
It was ana lbum co-produced by David Lynch and Angelo Badalementi, who also 
did the work on the TWIN PEAKS soundtrack. Well, I love BOTH Twwin Peaks 
soundtracks and i was wondering how I could get some more music sounding like
that and ran across the Julee Cruise album.

What's it like? Are the vocals and music similar to the stuff she did for the
TWIN PEAKS and TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME soundtracks?

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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,ba.music
Subject: Great show at FX, September 23rd
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:11:32 GMT
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae)
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	Ok, here's a show you won't want to miss-


	Wednesday, September 23rd

        At Club FX, Corner of 1st and San Salvador, San Jose;


		Drug		(Formerly Oilfish)


		Tongue Tied	(Ex members of the South Bay's best 
				band ever, Dot3)


		Bridget		(Loud and hard and arty)



		
	Show at 9:30.... Be There!



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From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Autumn '92 Memorabilia Auctions - Report
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:09:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1685C87B4.CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com> CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.075837.4028@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
>stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>
>>Mal was the second Beatles roadie  -
>>Neil Aspinall being the first - and was with them right  from
>>1963  until  the very end.   Eventually he ended up  shot  in
>>sordid and sad circumstances in the gun crazy USA).
>
>I must have missed this?  When did he die?  What circumstances?
>Didn't he have a diary or something, will his wife publish it?
>
>Thanks
>
>cg

I think that this is probably ambiuous.  I'm sure Steve meant that Mal
was shot, not Neil.  Neil is still alive and well (maybe not extrememly well)
and head of Apple.  According to Pete Best, who was Neil's best friend 
in the old days, all Neil does is manage law suits.

Bruce



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From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Songs about vampires 'n' things...?
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:38:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Forgive me if these have been mentioned before, but two songs that come to
mind are

	"I Love the Night"  and  "Nosferatu."

Both are by Blue Oyster Cult.  The first one is rather subtle; it took me
a while to realize that the song was about vampirism (or I may be just a
little dense :-)

Andy
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From: z_parrisht@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Neil Young dates/pics/release
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:49:12 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Is anyone going to the shows Neil is going to do in the West, i.e.
Denver, George, Portland, L.A. Costa Mesa. Or even last weekends shows
in Indy or St. Louis? I would like to hear these if you taped/taping
these shows. Does anyone have pics of  Neil surrounded by has acoustic
guitars?  Hey Hey, My My don't let these tunes pass me by!!!!
BTW Harvest Moon is due to be released on Oct. 13, BUT nothing is 
    written in stone. Especially NY release dates.

                                C ya'll,

                                 Tim       
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: pjebsen@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Jebsen)
Subject: Re: Seeking New Release info on GM and SADE
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:42:18 GMT


The new album by Sade is scheduled for release on 10/26.

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From: samr@horus.uchicago.edu (Samuel A. Rebelsky)
Subject: Guide to Power Pop?
Summary: Anyone know about this?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:04:38 GMT

A few weeks ago, I heard a DJ mention a book the station had received
called ``Pop Power.''  From her description, it was a collection of
(thousands of) reviews of power pop albums (presumably by people like
the Shoes, Raspberries, ... <fill in your faves>).  I called the
station soon thereafter, and although they remembered describing the
book, they couldn't find it in their stack of stuff, so they didn't
know publisher or author(s).

In the past few weeks, I've looked all over for this book.  It's not
listed in "Books in Print" (or in "Forthcoming Books in Print"); the
local bookstores don't seem to have it on order (and they do tend to
stock a good range of music books).  So, I turn to usenet.  Has 
anyone seen it/does anyone know about it?  DAP?  ebm?  

When/if I find out about it, I'll post the info to the net.

						Thanks,
						-- SamR
						samr@cs.uchicago.edu

p.s. The second K-Tel tribute album is out.  Look for it.
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From: 00sccalvert@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: JESUS LIZARD
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:32:50 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep15.222046.16070@oracle.us.oracle.com>, gbarish@oracle.uucp (Gregory James Barish) writes:
>> >> Does anyone know what is going on with [The Jesuz Lizard]?  I have
>> >> heard virtually
>> >> nothing about them for over a year. New LP? New members?
>> >> ANYTHING????!!!!!  thanks.
> 
>> Saw them at Cabaret Metro last month. Same songs, same lineup, same
>> pratfalls, same bellybutton, same, same, same.
> 
> According to Flipside's "calendar" section, they are supposed to 
> release a full album sometime this month.  That is, if you believe
> in such forecasts.
> 
> Saw them in LA a few months back.  Same lineup.
> 
> greg
> 
> gbarish@oracle.com

	in a fairly recent issue of MAX RnR there is an interview with steve
albini who produced the new album (which is supposed to be out soon) 
he claims its the best album he has ever worked on and the JL are the 
'best band in the world'  and so on     he usually just says that all music is 
shit, so this album must really kick-ass 
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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: SONG TITLE/GROUP: "Read My lips" - bush samples!
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:41:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Distribution: usa
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


i heard a song on the radio last week, iut's got a dance beat,
 and has samples and soundbites of george bush speeches? or
 interviews, or something.  anyhow, the recurring "refrain" is "read
 mylips".

is this the title of the song?   who does this?  where can i get a
 copy?

thanks - bob gaj
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.music.progressive
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Renaissance's first album?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:25:51 GMT

In <92091111615@zone4.ocunix.on.ca> peter@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Peter Dubiel) writes:
>With all this talk about Renaissance (the big, fat Renaissance reissue thread,
>to be more specific), I went to find some Renaissance, and found nothing
>except a very old-looking self-titled album on Elektra at a used record store.
>Is this Renaissance's first album? If so, could someone give me the year it
>was released in? And how does it compare to subsequent Renaissance records
>(for future buying reference...)? I like this record a lot, actually...

Um, that's a dicey question.

See, there are two bands called "Renaissance", and they both have a lot of
similarities.  To my knowledge, the first incarnation only has one album,
called "Renaissance", and the cover depicts some city on a peninsula with
clouds overhead.  The general color scheme is very yellow.  My copy is on
Island records.  The lineup includes Keith Relf, who I have been told had
some connection with the Yardbirds (sorry, I don't know anything about them,
so forgive if this is a really obvious or stupid thing to say).

The second incarnation, which is pretty much on all the other albums I have
is the one with Annie Haslam and Michael Dunford.  I'd say the best album
I have of theirs (in my opinion of course) is _Turn of the Cards_, which
is on Sire.  They have a myriad of other albums, some of which I have,
and most of which I rarely listen to because my taste in music has shifted,
but except for the more recent _Camera, Camera_, they all have the classical
overtones of the others I've mentioned.  Perhaps someone more fanatical than
I can give real hard specifics, but I'd say if you like the first album,
you'll like many of the others, even though the *very* first album
I'm aware of isn't even the same band.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Separated at birth?  =)
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:45:02 EDT
 <1992Sep4.013431.27069@eos.arc.nasa.gov> <1992Sep7.173441.17580@dg-rtp.dg.com> <h1qn8hk@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <h1qn8hk@lynx.unm.edu>, jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann) writes:

> Fred Schneider and Bill Clinton
> 
   I think you need some very thick glasses.  They don't look anything alike.

Karl Magnacca

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: Re: 10cc HELP!!!!!
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:45:23 GMT

In article <malcolm.715580654@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>john@spss.com (John Przyborowski) writes:
>
>>Friend of mine asked me this today--
>
>>what band was 10cc before they were 10cc?  Or were one or two of the
>>members in a famous band before they formed 10cc?
>
>I think there was something, maybe Hotlegs? I can check some books
>later that probably say. But I have an lp with all four backing a
>hippie couple - RAMASES - SPACE HYMNS, pre 10cc. I think there
>was another band too. 

Yep, Hotlegs was the band. In addition to Ramases, 10cc backed up
Neil Sedaka on his '70's comeback album. Lol Stewart was in the Mindbenders
("Groovy Kind of Love") before 10cc. Graham Goldman wrote hits for
others (Yardbirds, Herman's Hermits, etc.) and put out a solo album
of his own (RCA). He was also involved with the bubblegum complex
of Buddah Records for a while. 


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From: chrisl@sancho.sybase.com (Xian the Drive)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: THE COMSAT ANGELS - Anyone?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:45:20 GMT

according to the 4th edition of the Trouser Press Record Guide,

the Angels changed their name to Dream Command in 1990 and

released an album called Fire on the Moon  on Island records.

I have the single Celestine from this album. It's not really

very good. The Guide utterly panned the album.


I have no info post-1990, so who knows?



Xian.
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: pearson@rtsg.mot.com (Paul A Pearson)
Subject: Re: Bruce Hornsby & the Range
Keywords: piano, virginia, talent
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:23:28 GMT

I'm a big fan of Bruce myself and have been lucky enough to
see him 3 times (all in the Midwest: 2X Chicago 1X Peoria).
The last time he was out was the summer of '91.

Earlier in the year I had seen a note in Keyboard magazine's
"careers" column with a blurb saying that he was beginning
sessions for a new album which would be basically himself
and a lot of big-name guest musicians sitting in (read 
without The Range).

I haven't heard anything since then, but I certainly would
like to see another album soon.  I have to admit I was taken
back by _A_Night_On_The_Town_ initially, but most of the
songs eventually grew on me.  Check out the accompanying
video to get some extended versions of things.

BTW, does anyone know of any albums that he's had things
on besides his own?  I know that he had one extra single
on the _Backdraft_ soundtrack not available anywhere else,
but I haven't gotten around to buying it.  I'd be
interested if anyone knows about any other singles, albums,
etc...  Email me to save the bandwidth here:

	pearson@rtsg.mot.com

Allen Pearson
Motorola, Inc.
Cellular Infrastructure Group


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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: (C)Rap "music"
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:56:22 GMT

In article <14616@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
 
>In article <92258.165516X42529@BARILVM.BITNET> X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes:
>|with attitudes like yours, what's to discuss? maybe you mean DIS-CUSS =
>| DIS - what you're trying to do.
>| CUSS - what people with half a mind are doing to you.
>
>There's another thing,  inventing words like "dis" and then using them
>in everyday language.
 
"Dis" is in the new OED. I guess that makes it a "real" word.
Common useage has no merit on the net! ;-)
 
>If rap music was based more on talent and less
>on image it would be more legitimate.
 
More legitimate? Is that like "more pregnant"? :-)
 
>Of course, if someone has a closed
>mind there's no sense trying to convince them that there is anything
>legitimate about rap music.
 
Yeah, I suppose so...
 
--Eric
 
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Tony Levin info requested
Keywords: Bass, Chapman Stick, Crimson
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:16:54 GMT

I have one or two additions but don't have all the details handy. One is  
a cd called Blue Montreaux, or something like that, with Levin and a bunch of
jazz guys doing some pretty boring fusion. I have the disc at home. 
I think I posted it to Discipline, the King Crimson/Fripp list a while back. 
 
Another one is an lp I just picked up, I'm not positive since the bass
player is credited as being Tony Levine, but I suspect it's him. The  
lp is by Charlie Mariano from 1972, I'd have to check the title. I'll 
also check Rock Record, which shows cross referenecs to more than a dozen 
artists he's worked with prior to 1981. It'll take a while for me to  
sift through it and compare it to what you've got already. I was just thinking
about this list when I saw Tony Levine on the Mariano lp. BTW, I saw an   
lp the other day by Nucleus with Tony Levin on it, but he was playing drums.  
I assume it's a differeny Tony. But I'm curious - I saw a used lp once by a  
jazz drummer named Levin, and he had a bald dome with a striking resemblance, 
so I wonder if Tony's dad might be a drummer - if so maybe Tony drummed a  
bit too.  
  
 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: The Smiths - Not Quite Best
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:27:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep14.025429.1473@iti.gov.sg> harin@iti.gov.sg writes:
>In article 6400@otc.otca.oz, brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>>Saw a new release in the shops yesterday.  "The Smiths ... Best".  What looked
>>to be a great buy turned to disbelief when I had a look at the track listing.
>>
>>Not only does this CD contain about half of "Hatful of Hollow", it has NOTHING
>>from "The Queen Is Dead".  You've got to be kidding!!
>>
>>I would have thought a Smiths Best Of compilation could have a swag of really
>>great tracks.  I only have "Hatful Of Hollow", so for me not only is this CD
>>far from "...Best" it has only gone about halfway...
>You really have to get "The Smiths...Best 2" to avoid that coitus interruptus feeling.

Why let the corporate crooks take you for a ride? The Smiths "Best of..."  
disc(s) don't have any rare or previously unreleased tracks on them, so why
waste the dough? If you buy The Smiths, Meat is Murder, Strangeways, The
Queen Is Dead, and Louder Than Bombs, you'll have over 90% of everything
that they've done. I guess it's good for those indie kids who missed the
boat the first time around, but for a band that only put out a half dozen
albums of original tracks, why eulogize them with a set of "Best ofs"?

Tino
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: REQUEST:  Please help name these tunes....
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:19:05 GMT

In article 5661@cbfsb.cb.att.com, mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak) writes:
>|There are two songs that I would like the title and artist for:
>|
>|1.  Has an early 80s sound and it could be Madness.  Some lyrics go:
>|
>|	Dad don't know what he's done
>|	Kids don't know what's wrong with mum
>|

I think the name of the tune is "Our House" by Madness.



>|
>|2.  I didn't hear this one myself, but a friend reports that the word
>|"Dangerous" is used over and over and is probably the title.  It is
>|definitely NOT the Roxette song.
>|
No bleepin' idea.

>|
>|You email, I'll summarize.
>|
>|Thanks in advance.
>|
>|
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From: $ennsnr@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: ex
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:23:45 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

What kind of crap is this?!?!?! And what is it doing in the music group.
Perhaps a better place for it is the garbage!!! And, speaking of intelligence,
the person who started this is NOT TO BRIGHT!!!

--
"To be average scares the HELL out of me"
Neil Enns
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