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From: kdez@athena.mit.edu (Katharine M Seaward)
Subject: Uranus/Neptune effect
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:03:06 GMT

I think I'm having a very classic experience from the infamous Uranus/Neptune
conjunction, which is taking place smack in the middle of my seventh house:
I am getting divorced (after seventeen years).  This has been an incredibly
long and painstaking process, with counselors, mediators, lawyers, etc. We
are trying to be careful for the sake of our son, but, honestly, I have felt
trapped for the past year in "The Marriage That Would Not Die" -- "Night of
the Living Divorce" -- some such horror.  But finally my husband is actually
moving out--first week in Feb., at the exact conjunction.  Mars will be 
conjunct my Ascendant (9'22" Cancer) all month, retro. then stat. then forward.
This is not a jolly occasion.  Any helpful words?  Anyone?  
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: California's Doom (the details), Film at 11.
Keywords: Nostradamus (again!)
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:46:30 GMT

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:


>Some 1993 "Predictions" from the Fox-TV show "Sightings",
>January 8, 1993 (highlights).

(stuff deleted)
>Lorie says: "What we did in our book was to actually discover a code,
>a numerical and grammatical code, which actually is quite tricky to
>begin with, but once you get the hang of it it's quite simple, which
>decodes the quatrains and makes them much more fascinating than they
>are in fact on the face of it."  [i.e., these authors alone have
>discovered the "hidden meaning" encoded within Nostradamus' quatrains!]

Oh, that's not so strange. I discovered messages to aliens in our local phone
book. I have to admit that I did it at 0300 in the night, after 31 beers, but 
still...
>On the screen, from Lorie's book, as he speaks: "Verse X.74 decoded:
>L'Amerique apres Roi Charles et Jeux Olympiques...."
>An elaborate "translation table" of dates and numbers is shown.
>Supposed meaning: "Beginning in 1992 and ending in 1993, the coronation
>of King Charles and the Olympic Games will be followed by a great
>earthquake triggered off by a shifting in the sea...."

Did he try to explain the code, and how they found it?

>Richard Nolle, astrologer, predicts a terrible year, the kind you will
>put on a T-shirt, "I survived 1993." He predicts terrorist attacks
>around Feb. 2, also in August & early October. A major earthquake in the
>western U.S. probably around February 8, or March 6, or April 6, plus or
>minus 3 days.

He didn't say _where_ the terrorist would strike?

Sigh. All these astrologists and shit really make me sad and tired. Why can't 
people try to _think_ instead of having it all served on a platter. But for 
some reason people would rather be victims of vast impersonal forces, call it
destiny, fate or whatever, instead of making their own happiness.

cheers

--
     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Re: bullshit
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:03:31 GMT

In article <rigking.1.728004438@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> rigking@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (GAVIN KING) writes:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>When those who believe in astrology can propose some explanation as to *how* 
>the planets influence our daily lives, I will quite happily accept the
>study of astrology as worthwhile and rewarding. 

When someone has explained how a fetus can develop from the two-fold
division of identical cells, I will believe that babies exist.

When someone has explained why people and other animals fall asleep,
go through several sleep stages, and awaken, I will believe that
I sleep at night.

When someone has explained how dreams can be created in the absence
of perceptual contact with the contents of the dreams, I will
believe that I dream.

When someone has explained the nature of consciousness and how it
arises, I will believe that I am conscious. When scientists have
revealed the reasons for the specific individual natures of
various qualia (e.g., why salt on the tongue is associated with
a subjective experience of just the very nature that it has, or
why light of a certain wavelength should give rise, in me, to
a colour experience of a particular sort on every occasion of
exposure), then I will believe that qualia exist.

Until we have a complete and proven theory of the genesis of the 
universe, I will not believe that the universe exists.

Thank god I never studied philosophy of science, or I might be 
so foolish as to believe in things for which we have no definitive 
explanation.

>Of course, to do so would 
>allow astrology to be subjected to the rigour of scientific enquiry, 
>possibly leading to its falsification, so I cannot see too many doing this. 

See the FAQ for sources of scientific studies of astrology conducted
by astrologers.

>To those who lead their lives on the basis of the advice of astrologers, I 
>offer the following advice: read Karl Popper on the philosophy of science. 
>Astrological predictions are framed in such language as to make them 
>unfalsifiable, thus rendering astrology as a theory worthless.

Popper <> philosophy of science

How is a prediction such as, "Bill Clinton will win the presidential
election," unfalsifiable?

Do you understand the difference between a *descriptive* scientific
theory (e.g., f=ma, e=mc**2) and an *explanatory* theory? Are you
aware that most theories in science are descriptive? Are you aware
that astrology provides a rich descriptive theory that captures
the structure of certain phenomena in a taxonomy of qualia and a 
syntax of their interactions?


Maggie
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Bullshit.HEY!SO WHAT?!
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:14:22 CST

yockneyj@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Bleach Boy) writes:

>In article <rigking.1.727363471@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au>, 
>rigking@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (GAVIN KING) writes:
>|> I cannot believe that thinking human beings can actually believe this stuff.

>Well human beings have believed in far worse....
>Astrology has never - to the best of my knowledge-
>instigated any equivalent of the spanish inquisition,
>the religious wars of the middle east.It doesnt tell
>you that you are EVIL and SCUM simply for being female,
>gay,whatever....

>Maybe it's real,maybe it's cow dung,but at least it's
>harmless....

WELL PUT!

--
Michael Pilling				Phone: +61 8 259 7017
DSTO ITD/SE 171 Labs          		Fax: +61 8 259 5589
PO Box 1500				Telex: AA82799
Salisbury SA 5108, Australia		michael_pilling@itd.dsto.gov.au
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: stars names?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:16:53 GMT
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Keywords: star names

In article <Jan.26.17.18.53.1993.13424@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, nielson@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kathlina Nielson) writes:
>Please bear with me this is the first time I am posting anything in
>  my life.

Well done, the only error is it's in the wrong newsgroup.  Astrologers
don't use stars normally.  (BTW, I am no astrologer)

>A friend of mine and I are looking for the names of some stars 
>  (including binaries) that lie in the Milky Way.  We perfer names
>  of rare/uncommon stars.

Elnath (in the constellation of Taurus)
Mebsuta (Gemini)
Alhena (Gemini)
Mirfak (Perseus)
Shaula (Scorpius)
Nunki (Sagittarius)
Kaus Australis (Sagittarius)
Acrux (Crux)
Becrux (Crux)
Gacrux (Crux)
Schedar (Cassiopeia)
Caph (Cassiopeia)
Ruchbah(Cassiopeia)
Rigil Kent (Centaurus)
Hadar (Centaurus)

More common ones:
Albireo (Cygnus)
Deneb (Cygnus)
Atair (Aquila)

But I don't know which of them are binaries.

--
thomas kettenring, 3 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
Philosophy is the art of drawing conclusions from definitions that have been
chosen so that one can draw the conclusions one would like to get.
It immediately follows that philosophy is silly.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: Ann@anns.frontiertech.com
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: compatibility
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:26:56 GMT
Organization: Frontier Technologies
NNTP-Posting-Host: anns.frontiertech.com

Just wondered if anyone would be interested in doing a compatibility check for me:

My DOB: 6/5/64- born in Des Moines, Iowa at 10:30 am CST
His DOB 4/22/61 - born in Burlington, WI at ? time

Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: casimira@hq.lcs.mit.edu (Paula Mickevich)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Maggie
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:22:35 GMT

In article <C18H08.54q@csn.org> lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:



   In article <1993Jan18.103029.1@rsbs0.anu.edu.au> lehnen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au writes:
   >
   >
   >The name Erin Sulivan doesn't ring a bell.  I think the woman also wrote a
   >book on Mars.  I'm not getting confused with Tracy Marks, am I?

It's great to be connected to online databases:
|   AUTHOR: Sullivan, Erin.
|    TITLE: Saturn in transit :
|           boundries of mind, body and soul /
|    PLACE: London, England ; New York, USA :
|PUBLISHER: Arkana,
|     YEAR: 1991
| PUB TYPE: Book
|   FORMAT: xiii, 284 p. : ill. ; 20 cm.
|   SERIES: Contemporary Astrology
--
paula mickevich              MIT
casimira@hq.lcs.mit.edu      Laboratory for Computer Science
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Chaos Theory Supports Astrology? (was: bullshit)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:13:08 GMT
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

rigking@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (GAVIN KING) writes:
>>To those who lead their lives on the basis of the advice of astrologers, I 
>>offer the following advice: read Karl Popper on the philosophy of science. 

roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu answers:
>Astrlogers have known Popper for a long long time! And by the way, Popper is
>outdated [..]
>read the works
>of Thomas Kuhn and the most recent philosophy of science (caos theory, etc).

Pray, what does chaos theory have to do with it?  I know chaos theory, and I
know a tiny bit of astrology, but I fail to see a connection (beside one
involving a huge and silly misunderstanding).

--
thomas kettenring, 3 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
  What E. von Daeniken, I. Velikovsky and several others could have said but to
  my knowledge didn't:
"I don't know much about science, but I know what I like!"
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin )
Subject: Re: StarSigns??
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:31:13 GMT

GAVIN KING writes:
>Tom Chapin writes:
>>A few notes...  Most astrologers these days do not use astrology for
>>its "predictive power," but as a device to psychological classification.
>
>How interesting. Nothing I can fault there, except the statement that 
>astrology makes no predictions. 

Note the word "most"...I would say that astrology began as a means
of making predictions.  It was mostly court astrologers trying to
predict for the monarch how the reign would fare and when fires,
floods, and pestilences would occur.  The de-emphasis on prediction
occurred when horoscopes for individuals grew in popularity.  And
it is still easy to find financial astrologers and such if you know
which circles to travel in.

>The prediction astrologers make is that all 
>people born under a particular star sign in the future will have a similar 
>personality to that which they claim has been exhibited by those people born 
>under that star sign in the past.

And, again, this "prediction" is of the same nature as the
"prediction" that persons who make pencil marks in certain areas
of the Minnesota Multiphasic in the future will have a similar
personality to that which they claim has been exhibited by those
making similar pencil marks in the past.  I would say the term
"prediction" is being used in two different senses when applied
to future mundane events versus to internal psychological states.
-- 
	     tom chapin                tjc@hrcce.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: nielson@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kathlina Nielson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: stars names?
Summary: ask for names of rare stars in the milky way
Keywords: star names
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:19:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

TO: Anyone.....

Please bear with me this is the first time I am posting anything in
  my life.
A friend of mine and I are looking for the names of some stars 
  (including binaries) that lie in the Milky Way.  We perfer names
  of rare/uncommon stars.  Please do not send  "M" or "NGC" <-I think
  that is the proper prefix) numbers, we are looking for names.  We 
  can find numbers almost anywhere. :)

                         Thanks,
                            Kat

        ****Please post answers do not mail.....******
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: hughes@mercury.cis.udel.edu (John Hughes)
Subject: Re: what are "campanus" houses and how are they different?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:53:06 GMT

In article <77117@apple.apple.COM> bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:
>I understand what equal houses are.
>How are Placidus houses, Koch houses, and campanus houses different?

All houses are based on some sort of notion of dividing the heavens into
12 equal portions; it's the viewpoint that makes the divisions look equal that
distinguishes between the various systems.

The equality in equal houses is obvious: each house is exactly 30 degrees 
wide AT THE ECLIPTIC (the apparent path of the sun through the heavens).

The equality in the Campanus system, which incidentally I prefer as the most
intuitive system, is similar to equal houses, but instead each house is
30 degrees wide AT THE PRIME VERTICAL. The prime vertical is an imaginary
circle that goes up from the horizon due west, goes straight over your head,
goes back down due east, and continues around directly under your feet. This
then is the view of the heavens you would have in the northern hemisphere if
you went out at night and looked due south, a very natural way to view the
heavens (the south is where all the planets are in northern temperate 
lattitudes).

The equality in Placidus is much more subtle. Each quadrant of the sky is
divided into three equal "rising times" (for lack of a better word). The
first cusp is the point on the ecliptic which is just rising this instant.
The twelfth cusp is the point on the ecliptic which has risen 1/3 of the way
to the meridian (the circle that runs north-south the way the prime vertical
runs east-west). The eleventh is the point that has risen 2/3 of the way.
The tenth is the point that has risen all the way. The ninth is the one that
is 2/3 of the way from setting. And so on.

The equality in Koch is even odder: The first cusp is the ecliptic point that
is rising now; the twelfth house cusp is the point that WILL BE RISING when
the first house cusp is 1/3 of the way up; the eleventh house cusp is the
point that will be rising when the first house cusp is 2/3 of the way up, and
so on. 

There are even more ways to do this: The Porphyry system assumes the 
first house and tenth house cusps are what you'd expect, and then divides 
each quadrant into 3 equal houses, so there are 2 different house sizes.
The zenith system divides the rim of the horizon into 12 equal parts, and
projects the cusps up onto the ecliptic towards the zenith point. 

It's important to understand these systems, I believe; I'm something of a 
purist and believe that only Campanus captures what most people think of when
they think of houses. I have suspected that Placidus was invented before much
was known about spherical trigonometry, and this dividing up rising times was
an attempt to approximate Campanus. But of course I cannot prove this.


Sorry, no brevity here!


John
hughes@cis.udel.edu

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mlgreer@eng.clemson.edu (matthew greer)
Subject: Re: Earthquake and California goes down
Reply-To: mlgreer@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:14:07 GMT

In article 62954@cc.usu.edu, slsdh@cc.usu.edu () writes:
>I saw a goofy show named 'sightings' a few weeks back. In it, the authors
>of a book about Nostradamus's prophecies claimed to have discovered a method
>by wich they can reveal the dates of some quatrains (prophecies). By using
>this method, they claim to have revealed that the California mega-quake
>will take place on May 8, 1993 at exactly 7:05 pm. 
>
>-Austin
>

Yeah right, and how many times have people predicted the end of the earth.  No one knows the future but God and I defy any of you to predict what will happen.  If someone will buy me a ticket, I will go to California on the above date and time and jump up and down as hard as I can and laugh at anyone who thinks what is stated above is true.

Matt
From: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: horoscopes
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:26:02 GMT
Reply-To: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


     I hope this is not a question to which normal readers of this group
who were not scared away by the subject do not want to read :) .  I checked
the FAQ and it wasn't there.
     
     I am interested in a daily horoscope that I could consult.  Is there a
usnet group of this kind?  Several of us make a habit of checking the paper
each day and thought a usnet group might offer more.

                                     Thank you Sandra
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Useless tidbit of information needed..
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:17:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology,sci.misc,misc.misc
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx52.cis.brown.edu

In article <1k227rINNjbn@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
sibley@cis.ohio-state.edu (james h sibley) wrote:

>  does anyone know the twelve birthstones? 
 
From the 1993 Llewellyn calendar and in order from January
Garnet, Amethyst, Bloodstone, Diamond, Emerald, Pearl, Ruby, Sardonyx,
Sapphire, Opal, Topaz, Turquouise.   
Some of these are new to me - hope this helps.
> 
Regards, Carol
From: gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu (Lynn M. McDougal)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Pluto/Venus transits:PLEASE EXCUSE ME
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:28:19 GMT
Organization: Institute for Cognitive and Decision
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-psych-coglab-4.uoregon.edu

In article <lmcdougal-270193173827@fp1-psych-coglab-17.uoregon.edu>,
lmcdougal@coglab.uo.edu (Lynn McDougal) wrote:
> 
> I would be interested in some feedback re tr. Pluto/natal Venus transits
> (esp. Pluto con. Venus).  I have had one in 1990 when Pluto conjuncted my
> natal Venus at 15 degrees Cancer (in my sixth house).  It was a nine month
> long cycle.  I became pregnant (no suprise as Venus is in trine with
> Jupiter in Scorpio (in my 10th house), and is conj. Mars in Cancer), and I
> made a decision to give the baby up for adoption thru an open adoption. 
> This decision was very unusual as I am extremely pro-choice, however, I am
> also the product of a closed adoption in 1959.  Certainly it now feels like
> there was closure of a cycle in my collective (unknown) past.  The transit
> ended almost 9 months to the day that I gave birth to my daughter.  I have
> a friend who will experience a similar transit in Jan. of 1994 when tr.
> Pluto will conj. her natal Venus at 27 degrees Scorpio (in her third
> house).  Her Venus trines her moon at 27 degrees Cancer (in her 10th
> house)..  In talking this weekend we wondered what thoughts occur about
> this type of transit (as well as the other Pluto/Venus transits), and
> whether or not anyone else had a tale they might wish to share in the hopes
> of shedding some light on the shadow.
MY ADDENDUM:  When writing this last evening I made the error of saying
that my Pluto transit was a conj. in Cancer.  WRONG!  While it sure felt
like it, it was, in reality, a Pluto trine to Venus transit with Pluto in
ever present Scorpio, and my natal Venus in Cancer.  Please pardon the
error.
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Favorite Mail-Order Astrology (was Re: charts)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:44:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx52.cis.brown.edu

In article <77593@apple.apple.COM>, bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) wrote:
> 

> 
 Do any
> of the regulars here provide mail-order services?

Yes, I do.  See my recent posting on Saturn returns.  Post your
name/address & I will send you an info/order form.  Thanks for asking.
Carol
> 
> I'd be curious to know, and I don't think anyone will view it as
> "unfair use" or "advertising."
> 
> bill coderre
> just QRS
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:58:06 EST
From: Julia E. Hawley <JH8414A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: my birthday

today is my birthday (1/24/65) so I thought I would look beyond today's paper
for info.  Anyone know anything special about people born on this date?  I was
born at approx. 10:40am, if that matters.

THANKS
From: pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: "The Case for Astrology"
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:42:44 GMT
Organization: McGill University


Has anyone read John Anthony West's "The Case for Astrology" 
(first published in 1991)? This is part of the wonderful
new "Arkana" book series on astrology (Arkana is part of
the Penguin group). I just purchased the book yesterday,
and have read only parts of it, but it strikes me as an
unusually excellent presentation of the evidence in favour
of astrology. (Colin Wilson is cited as calling it, "The
most serious and important study of astrology ever written.")
It describes not only the evidence, but also the psychology
of skeptics of the debunking variety (who adhere to
the "unfaith" of the "Church of Progress"). The book is
scathing in its revelation of all the gory details of
CSICOP's "scientific" research into the Gauquelins' Mars
effect. (E.g., the data for the American sample collected
by Kurtz were given to Rawlins as three separate sub-samples.
Kurtz asked Rawlins to calculate the percentage of athletes
showing the Mars effect for the first sample of 120 subjects.
In that sample, the Mars effect was present for 22 percent
of the athletes. Rawlins reported that Kurtz groaned when 
he heard this news; this was close to the percentage found by
the Gauquelins, and it exceeded the level expected by chance.
In the next sample that Kurtz sent to Rawlins, the percentage
was 12; for the third sample, the percentage was *7*, a
figure significantly *less* than the chance level of 17.
The published report showed the percentage for the entire
sample, 13.5, significantly less than expected by chance.
As many of you know by know, Suitbert Ertel has shown that
the effect exists in this sample for the most eminent
athletes, and that the figure of 13.5 can be attributed
to Kurtz adding to the sample athletes of lower eminence.
This in spite of CSICOP's agreement with Michel Gauquelin
to use only the most eminent athletes, following the same
criteria the Gauquelins had used; CSICOP also failed to keep
their end of the other part of their agreement with Michel
Gauquelin, namely to use athletes whose birth was natural
rather than induced.)


Maggie
Newsgroups: alt.astrology