From: gerace@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Mad Poo Bandit)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:22:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <RWIFALL.92Dec17135235@dante.nmsu.edu> rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall) writes:
>In article <20345@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez008579@othello.ucdavis.edu (Dudley McFadden) writes:
>[STUFF CUT]
>>   Friends, the Apple II is dead!  We hobbyists are the only ones who care abo
>	Sorry, the Apple II is not dead..  I guess it's time to pull
>"The Quote"
>
>	"Since the day the Apple III (RIP) was introduced in 1980,
>the 'experts' have been saying the Apple II is a dead machine.
>If the Apple III couldn't kill it, 
>	the Lisa (RIP)
>	or the PC Jr. (RIP)
>	or the 128k Mac (RIP) would.
>	Some people never learn."
>		-Tom Weishaar
>

Just how old is that quote?  Things change.

>>   fact is that X-windows, Windows NT, and (maybe) OS/2 are where it's happeni
>>   now, not the Apple //GS.  Those of us who use computers for more than
>	The AppleIIgs has had a windowing environment for ohh.. gosh
>I'd say 5 or so years now... The rest of the world is finally catching
>up to the AppleIIgs....
>

Surprise.  The IBM has had a windowed environment for 5 years too.  Just..
not too good.  But hey, even the Mac had to evolve.  MS-Windows first came
out in 86-87.  GEOS has been out since shortly after the Atari ST's made
the PC people say "hey, I want that".  But really, compare the first Mac
system to System 7 and tell me that yes, it did work at first, but now
it's soooo much better.  Same for MS-Windows.  And os/2 by the way came out
in 1987, even though it supported only up to a 286.

>>   tinkering don't want apples, we want nice, standardized, fast, spacious PC'
>	Standardized??????  a PC???   Ok, try this:  Get a bus mouse,
>an IDE/Floppy card, a standard IO card, a highspeed video card, a
>bernoulli box, a soundcard, a CDROM, scanner, all with their various
>interface cards and have fun resolving the IRQ conflicts...
>

Yes, and...?  Any moron with a SCSI can do it.  Your point being?

>	Power is only useful if it gains you something..   You can be
>just as productive (if not more so) on //GS's, Amigas, and Macs as any
>pc clone.  And fun is relative.. I have alot more fun on my //GS then
>I ever did on any I*M clone... That would probably be why I switched
>over from the IBM.
>

Okay, so you like the GS.  If they made GS clones that were cheaper, faster,
and more stable, would you hesitate to buy one?  Those seem to be the major
decisions made when purchasing ANY computer system.  Apple though has
NO competitors to speak of.  No wonder they appear more standardized.  
And considering all the PC clones out there, I think they do a helluva job
keeping everything going pretty well.  Thank god for VESA, the IEEE, and
the CCITT!

>	Oh, I would *LOVE* to see an emultor that could get even
>halfway through booting GS/OS 6.0, or a quarter of the way through a
>FTA boot..  (somehow I'm not expecting to hear from any pc-emul
>developers any time soon)


Hmmm...I've already stated my view on that.  Could be done.  But, like you
would surely agree, noone is going to.  I don't deny it'd be hard, slow to
execute, and wouldn't pay off.  But theoretically, I insist it could happen.

But I'm not gonna do it :-) (serious lack of smiley faces on this thread)
MPB
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