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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:40:58 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

cornpop@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Dan Lieberman) writes:

> In <1992Dec9.015425.17662@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. 
> 
> >Don't even try to get a real job. (Not to discourage you or anything.)
> >I'm 15 too and I've tried. I didn't want to work at McDonald's or the
> >grocery store like everyone else, so I applied to computer stores. 
> >Anybody who knows me knows that I know enough about computers to run
> >a damn computer store, and yet I only got one reply. After having
> >an interview, and having my responsibilities explained to me, the 
> >guy waited about a month to call me back. He said that there were no
> >available positions. I knew that was crap because he had told me what
> >the available positions were when I had my interview. 
> 
> >If you really want a job, you'll probably be able to find one at
> >MacDonald's or something, just don't even bother to look for a good
> >one, people hate kids. What really pisses me off are some of the morons
> >who work at this place that turned me down. These people just sit around
> >doing nothing whereas I'd actually help people. Geez.....
> 
> >-Scot
> 
> Dood.....  And everyone else.
> 
> The only REAL way to make money is to know what you're doing.
> I'm 14, and I run a computer consulting firm, in Seattle Washington.
> The Business is Called DBL Computing, in whici I don consulting on computer
> matters, audio, video, and networking.  I am the current computer consultant
> at my middle school. 
> 
> That's how you do it...
> 
> Dan Lieberman
> DBL Computing
> (206)364-9088
> (206)364-7776
> cornpop@glia.biostr.washington.edu
> 

Wow! Can I touch you? maybe some of your godliness will rub off on me

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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:11:16 GMT

sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>I honestly think that I could run a computer store, if I had the time.
>I can do accounting if necessary, and have a strong business sense.

Scott: I don't want to sound like I'm picking on you but you seem
interested in business so let me offer a few hints.

I don't know your age or background but before you claim that you can
run a store (of any kind) you have to know what is involved.  I believe
you think you can do the accounting but when is the last time that you
produced a profit and loss statement ?

>I did follow up several times.

That's great and it sounds like the guy was leading you on or couldn't
get his act together.  In either case you probably wouldn't have been
happy working for him... it is more than the "place" a job involves
the "people" also.  If you think he's a jerk now wait until he has the
power to fire you.
>
>Yes, age is a factor, obviously, but not as much as you think. What adult
>could help out a kid looking for a good program to do his school homework
>on or play a game with.

This is all reasonable and yes you could relate to the younger customers
the question is were they not selling the games to kids because there was
nobody there for them to relate to ?  I'm not claiming you wouldn't be
helpful I'm suggesting that they may not perceive the need.

>It hurt not getting a job at a computer store. At school, everybody thinks
>of me as the computer expert. I had always thought that I was the best and
>I suddenly realized that a professional computer user may not see that.

Take it all in stride, you're obviously talented and have an interest in
computers, you also want to work.  Everybody gets turned down for a job
and there are cases where 100 people have applied for 5 positions at a
company.  In cases like that 95 of them walk away unhired.  Someone in the
crowd surely thinks they are "smarter" than the person hired but it isn't
always a question of "smarts".

Finally... I'm not suggesting (or sure didn't mean to) that you couldn't
be of help to somebody.  I am suggesting that you accept the fact that
sometimes things won't work out the way you really, truly want them to.

Just like everybody else, you get up, dust yourself off and begin again
and _eventually_, if you persevere it pays off.

Here is an idea, find another computer store (competing with the first
one) and suggest that each Saturday be "ask Mr. Computer" day.  You
would work there on Saturday and have a Mac with software and demonstrate
games and utilities as well as answer questions.  You could hand out
"Mac money" some coupons that the store prints which could be redeemed
for software that day.  I don't mean $20 I mean you hand out $1 or $2
in the form of a coupon which is good on a purchase of $20 or more and
only on that Saturday.

You become a resource and a draw for customers and you can "prove" your
worth by the number of coupons redeemed.  You also gain experience which
can be added to your resume... it could lead to something more.

tom
From: daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09:32:39 EST
Reply-To: daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Drucker)
Organization: Abnormalities of Reality


>Don't even try to get a real job. (Not to discourage you or anything.)

Why not? I just made myself a bunch of business cards (I'm 14) saying
'computer consultant', walked into a computer store nearby, gave them the card,
next thing I know I'm in the back room getting hired! From 3:30 - 6 weekdays,
12-6 saturday, at $14 an hour! I make more than my mom!


> "To explore new worlds, seek out new             "be excellent to each other"
>  life forms.   To go boldly where no
>  DOS  programmer  has  gone before!"                 jamie@garfield.cs.mun.ca

Then again, some people can't do this. For example, DOS folks.


--
Daniel Drucker       N2SXX            Coconut seashells whispering to me
xyzzy%mertwig@uunet.uu.net              "Forever, forever, my Coda..."
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
Subject: Re: hi people
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:24:36 GMT

xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:

| A vax? Oh please....come to your senses before the whole WORLD becomes
| vaxnocentric (hacker-people, i know that isn't the correct use)

My thoughts exactly <grin>, anyway, seeing this is the  first  message
I've written in this area let me introduce myself...

My  Name  is  Jared  Quinn,  i  live  in New Lambton, New South Wales,
Australia  and am 14 (15 in January) and will be in yr. 10 when school
goes back.

-- 
   // jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au  //
 \X/         (Jared Quinn)      \X/

Tip the world over on its side and everything loose will land
in Los Angeles.
FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT
	

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:12:51 GMT

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:56:37 EST
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Thad's Letter to Santa Claus

Recently AP ran a story about a pathetic letter found in a Washington State
mailbox: written by "Thad," thought to be a grade schooler 8-10, it asks
Santa Claus to come and carry him to "Heven" because "My mom an dad woud not
have too by things for me no more." Seems dad is out of work (letter was
found in a depressed lumber town mailbox) and "We don't get many food now.
. . We got candils.  A city man took the lights a way."

One problem: local police can't trace any family with a school-age Thad that
recently had its power shut off.  Nevertheless, offers of food, money, etc.,
are pouring in from around the country.  As Mark Twain said about a similar
letter in 1872: "Do you [we] know that letter to be genuine?"

Anyone with definite information, please contact me directly, as I can't
always check listings.  I put out a newsletter on urban legends such as the
perennial appeals for cards etc.  for Craig Shergold, which, thankfully,
seem to be dying out.
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.psu.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: HI!
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:45:20 GMT

In article <9s2ZVB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan) writes:
)> 
)That reminds me of a question I have always wondered.  Is December 
)22-March21/22 called summer or winter?  You said summer, but I just want 
)to make sure thats what it is actually called.

Oxford English Dictionary (the electronic version) sez it's the coldest
season, in the Northern hemisphere Dec-Mar, in the Southern it's the name of
the time that corresponds to Northern summer.

-- 
This inhuman place makes human monsters.       (Stephen King)

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: HI!
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:32:43 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

> 
> We can't ski in New Zealand Christmas - it's summer over here!!!
>  
> 
> 
>     Bridget Ingham              biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
>     Lower Hutt,  New Zealand

That reminds me of a question I have always wondered.  Is December 
22-March21/22 called summer or winter?  You said summer, but I just want 
to make sure thats what it is actually called.

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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: dcheslow@impact.flint.umich.edu (David A. Cheslow)
Subject: good software for kids?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:25:36 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

I have a 6 year old who is learning to read and is doing some addition and  
subtraction.  I would like to get him some FUN and EDUCATIONAL software  
for XMAS.  I checked the software stores and everything was too expensive.   
Can someone direct me to an ftp site where I can find some interesting  
applications for him.  Oh, we have a PC at home (486, VGA, HARDDRIVE).
thanks in advance
=dave=
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 23:25:47 GMT

bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan) writes:

>tell me about it, there are a few stores out there(I won't mention names 
>of course) that call them selves America's Technology Store, than they 
>turn around and hire people who know very little about computers.  I am 
>most certainly not a computer expert, but I sure know more than most of 
>the ones I have seen.

Ken:

In a nutshell if somebody "really" knew their way around computers then
they wouldn't be selling them in computer stores for $10 per hour.  So
who you find in a computer store is somebody with experience commensurate
with the salary offered.

Why don't they pay more ?  Because then the price of the goods in the
store would have to rise and it doesn't take a computer science major
to sell a copy of MS Flight Simulator.

You wouldn't expect to purchase a radio from Radio Shack from an electrical
engineer and if they explained that the radio is $500 because the salesman
gets $100 per hour you'd likely walk away and buy one at Fred's Discount
Radio Warehouse.

In short, computer experts do not work at Sears.

Tom

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:50:39 GMT

Tom - 

Maybe you forgot what it's like to be a kid, or maybe you just 
don't understand the situation. I've tried for 2 years to  get
a job. I've done everything in my power to do things that would
look good on a resume, or would help my computer education. I
volunteered to help out at my school's computer lab. I'm taking
a college advanced programming course at a local college. I'm
helping my Spanish teacher find contacts in Spain through Internet.
I wrote letters to my superintendent and met with him about the
need for a new strategy in computer education at our public schools.
I write reviews for _The MacGames Digest_. Through not getting the
job, I've lost respect for the credibility of adults. The guy 
specifically told me the job that was open, and asked if it was okay.
Then he called me and said there was no such position, and didn't
apologize or admit he made a mistake. I haven't lost my determination,
though and I'm not complaining. What I originally meant, although it
was poorly phrased I admit, was that whoever was looking for a job
should be cautious. It's tough for a kid to get a good job. With
this thread, we've read about one kid who just made a business card
and got a job instantly. To him I say congrats. However, it's not
always that easy. Hell, I've been in the newspaper here for my computer
projects, but that wasn't enough, apparrantly, for this company to
give me a chance. 

I don't think the world is stupid. I have very much respect for the
guy who interviewed me, but I feel that he wasn't upfront with me, 
and could have explained the situation better. Whenever a friend of
mine gets a new computer, I always put together a few disks of shareware
and freeware stuff to get him/her moving, and assist in connecting 
things. I don't know what you have to base your opinion of me on, but
it's not much, and certainly not enough. You say you wouldn't want a
complainer working for you. Well, I wouldn't want to work for somebody
who's prejudice of a kid he doesn't know. I don't give up easily, and
I'll certainly be back at this store. If you want to flame, me please
e-mail to sjked@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Thanks.

-Scott J. KLeper
"Sgt. Kleper"
sjked@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: How to get on Kids net?
From: biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Bridget Ingham)
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
Followup-To: alt.kids-talk
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP Site
Organization: 
Keywords: 
Summary: 

In article <1992Dec13.143829.2805@cnsvax.uwec.edu> kolbralj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
> Does anyone have the address of kids net and how to get on it?
> 
Sorry, can't help you there! Maybe someone else can.

    Bridget Ingham              biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
    Lower Hutt,  New Zealand
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens
From: jsimmons@cs.sunysb.edu (Jason Simmons)
Subject: Research Programs
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:29:09 GMT

I am a high school sophomore who is interested in doing computer research
this summer and would appreciate input from anyone who has participted in
or knows of a summer program at a university.

Thanks,

Jason Simmons
jsimmons@sbcs.sunysb.edu
From: kolbralj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: How to get on Kids net?
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:38:29 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Does anyone have the address of kids net and how to get on it?

From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:11:20 GMT
Subject: free ham radio for the right kid
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk

Ok, kids... here's a deal!  I have for one of you budding young 
Amateur Radio Operators or Operators-to-be a starter radio setup...

It is a Heathkit HW-9.... Its not an ideal starter radio because it
is what Hams call a QRP rig... QRP means low power... this means
you have to be very patient....with high output power radios, 
everyone can hear you better... but with the HW-9, they may not
hear you very well because it only puts out 4 watts versus say, 
100 watts.  But if you are a beginner, and learning morse code,
you will have to transmit on certain frequencies for beginners
anyway so that there wont be a whole lot of congestion on the
frequency band...this means you can talk (with morse code) to
people all around the world!  I have used this little radio to
contact Australia from San Francisco!  You will have to provide
an antenna of course, but some other ham or your mom and dad 
can help you.. there are lots of Ham radio clubs in most areas
that would love to help a kid learn how to be a Ham Radio Operator..
Its Fun!!!!!

Here's the rest of the deal:

You have to be sincere about wanting to be a Ham Radio Operator...
It might be hard work and lots of studying...Morse code is not 
easy.  But remember, a long time ago there was a little 9 year
old girl that held the world record for how fast she could send
and receive morse code.  I would hate to give the radio to a 
kid that decides later Nintendo is better and have it rot up
in the closet (sniff)...

Parents: E-mail me and convince me that your kid would benefit
from this and I will mail the radio, power supply and manual.
I cannot help in getting the child licensed, that is up to 
you and the child... It is a small sized simple to use unit.

Kids: try to decipher this...

..   .--   .-   -.   -     - ---   -... .    .-   ....  .-   -- !!!!!


Hope to hear from someone sincere....lets get kids thinking again
and away from TV and those darn Nintendos..


all disclaimers apply
"tune for maximum smoke"-WB6CIA

see you...tony WB6TRU
From: biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Bridget Ingham)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Jokes anyone?????!!!!!
Followup-To: alt.kids-talk
Distribution: world
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Organization: 
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:38:15 GMT
Organization: Private UUCP Site

Hi, to all you joke tellers out there!

Anyone got any decent jokes that would make this newsgroup a bit fun?

Bye from a person who is eagerly looking for a few laughs,

    Bridget Ingham              biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
    Lower Hutt,  New Zealand

By the way, Why did the chicken cross the road?
Some fowl reason! B^) (sick)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 23:38:55 GMT

tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) talks to himself:

To the original poster and Scott and anyone else who is interested
let me offer one more piece of advice.

It is never too early to learn to think like an entrepreneur.  You've
identified a problem "it's almost impossible for kids to find jobs".

So think about writing a book, "Kids-Work" (or whatever).  Research
the problem and find out what jobs are available for children under
say 18 years of age.  Find out where they are, what they pay, what
employers think about kids working and whatever their complaints are
and put them into a well-written guide to kids looking for work.

Add a section on "interviewing", how to dress, what to say, don't chew
gum, comb your hair, don't call the manager a dolt, avoid mumbling and
saying "ya know" before every sentence.

Can't manage an entire book ?  Reduce the project in scope and write an
article for a magazine or the local newspaper.

Do you know a lot about computers ?  Write an article for PC Computing
about something of interest.  They don't know how old you are.

I've written many articles for many magazines including an opinion column
in DataBased Advisor.  Rates vary but I got $100 per page for most of the
articles, that's a lot of hamburgers and I could keep the stereo playing
while I "worked".

Keep in mind that business is an adult game, if you want to play it you
have to play it on our terms, the moment that you have all the money and
shoulder all the responsibility you will get to dictate the terms and
we'll play by your rules.  That's harsh but it is life.

Hope this helped somebody.

tom
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:45:09 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper) writes:

> Well, despite the fact that "America's Technology Store" sometimes
> has products that break often and are sometimes poorly soldered or
> just engineered poorly, there are some people there that know what
> they're doing. However, this is a minority of workers. 

excatly, on all accounts.

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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: How can teen make money
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:46:47 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) writes:

> bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan) writes:
> 
> >tell me about it, there are a few stores out there(I won't mention names 
> >of course) that call them selves America's Technology Store, than they 
> >turn around and hire people who know very little about computers.  I am 
> >most certainly not a computer expert, but I sure know more than most of 
> >the ones I have seen.
> 
> Ken:
> 
> In a nutshell if somebody "really" knew their way around computers then
> they wouldn't be selling them in computer stores for $10 per hour.  So
> who you find in a computer store is somebody with experience commensurate
> with the salary offered.
> 
> Why don't they pay more ?  Because then the price of the goods in the
> store would have to rise and it doesn't take a computer science major
> to sell a copy of MS Flight Simulator.
> 
> You wouldn't expect to purchase a radio from Radio Shack from an electrical
> engineer and if they explained that the radio is $500 because the salesman
> gets $100 per hour you'd likely walk away and buy one at Fred's Discount
> Radio Warehouse.
> 
> In short, computer experts do not work at Sears.
> 
> Tom
> 

Well yeah, but there are some computer stores, most of the ones I go to, 
that can at least handle that you may not want to use their operating 
system, because they do not know there are any others it sometimes seems.

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