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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <weRti3m00VIGNgNJUI@andrew.cmu.edu> rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Edward Timlin) writes:
>
>     I know I'm tempting fate here, but...
>
>     Does anybody else think that the bit where ol' Darth stabilizes his
>spinning fighter at the end of ANH and zooms off was ADDED at some point after
>the initial release(s)? I recall being surprised to see it. But I'm not one to
>blindly trust 15 year old "memories". Anybody know for sure?
>
>                                                  -Robb Timlin
>                                                   rt16@andrew.cmu.edu

Well, my SRAMS may have taken a few single bit errors over the past decade, but I'm
pretty sure that scene was there all along.


On a markedly different topic:  Where in the trilogy did Luke first come face to face
with Vader?  I know Ben told Luke that a young Jedi named Darth Vader had killed Luke's
father, but did Luke know what Vader LOOKED LIKE?  Poor Luke witnessed Kenobi get cut
down by Vader on the DS, but is there any particular reason Luke KNEW who that tall
black dude was?  What this question leads up to is Luke's apparent familiarity with
Vader in ESB -- so familiar (in a disgusted, hating way) that his face-to-face encounter
with Vader made them SEEM like close, yet bitter, enemies.  However, the only other
"encounter" Luke had had with Vader was the ghostly apparition on Dagaboh, during
Luke's Jedi training.

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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: COLLECTIBLES
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:17:30 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1045.554.uupcb@matrix.sbs.com>, jerry.farris@matrix.sbs.com (Jerry Farris)  writes:
> Hello,
> 
>   Just picked up on this conference, and am I glad I did!
> I'm looking for somone who has the action figures and toys that I need
> to complete my collection. If your a collector or know where I can buy
> or trade for some StarWars toys, the please leave a reply.
> 
>                                       thanks,
> 
>                                           Jerry
>                      
	This is actually more of a question than a statement.  Does anybody
remember when Kenner first came out with the action figures (I think it was
Christmas of 1977) and in fact Star Wars totally caught them by surprise,
especially from the consumer response to buy movie related items, so in the toy
stores they didn't sell the actual miniture figures but a poster of the figures 
that you would get sometime after that Christmas when they were manufactured? 
Sending a mail-in certificate meant that they would be mailed to you first
before they actually went to the toy stores.  Does anybody still have that
poster?

			Woodchip
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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Biggs.....
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:41:07 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul26.191121.57509@cc.usu.edu>, sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE) writes:
> In article <1992Jul26.141210.27943@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>> I have a Star Wars book, in which scenes from the movie are interspersed
>> with text...
>> 
>> ...Luke's old buddy Biggs is in it, in a still from a scene with the
>> two talking on Tatooine, from the (non-picture :)) novel. However,
>> this wasn't in the movie -- *but* Luke greets his old buddy Biggs
>> in the Death Star battle.
>> 
>> This has always bothered me -- did they cut that scene? Why?
> 
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
> -- 
> 
>      -------------------------------------------------------------
>                Lorna Payne
>                Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
>      -------------------------------------------------------------
>      The concept is simply staggering.  Pointless, but staggering.
>                          -The Doctor (The Pirate Planet)
>      -------------------------------------------------------------
> 
	I agree.  OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH  NNNNNOOOOOO.

	Perhaps we should put together a list of commonly asked questions,
posted on a regular basis.  The Star Trek group is doing a good job with this,
and then you can skip over folks like this who, to be honest, are just
discovering the main group of SW fans.

		Rob "Woodchip" Horning
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: TIMELINE
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:55:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.191309.9856@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>RISE OF EMPIRE
>*Ben goes to Tatooine
>*Death star begins to be built, and Empire beefs itself up with Star
> Destroyers and stuff

	Well I've always gotten the impression that the Death Star was built
quite a while after the Empire took control.  This is based on various scenes
and lines in Zahns books (Which most do not consider cannon) AND on the 
original movie (Basically the scene in the meeting room around that large table
on the Death Star)

>*Rebel alliance forms as Empire takes *total* control & eventually
> disbands the senate.

	I was also under the impression that the Empire never fully disbanded
the Senate--Just manipulated and changed it.
From: horizon@eebbs.isis.org (Ali Azarbar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:44:58 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough" , Ben, ANH. 
How did Ben get a hold of Anakin's lightsaber? Did Anakin give it to him 
saying "I'm about to become evil now, so just take the saber, and give it to 
my son of whom I have no idea of his existence when he's old enough. i'll be 
getting a red one." ;-) Seriously, how did Kenobi get it? Did he cut off 
Anakin's hand near the lava pit? (Ironic, if he did.)
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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.013628.14291@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) writes:
>In article <BrnMFM.GI2@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>>
>>About the imperials seeing through cloaking devices, if you can warp space to
>>travel faster than light, warping space to spoof mass detectors is trivial.  
>
>
>I don't buy it.  During one ST movie, Kirk and Spock (as I recall) VISUALLY
>saw a slight shift in the stars, allowing them to anticipate a decloaking ship
>and blast it.  This is high tech?

The cloaked ship in question was a relatively short distance away.  Cloaking
works by making energy fields "avoid" the ship by going around it.  Gravity
lenses warp light, so cloaking could be done by warping space near the ship.
Mass detectors realy only detect non-flat areas of sspace-time.  A warp 
eqipped ship would play havoc on those sensors.
>
>Maybe a better match would be between the Empire and the OLD Federation of 
>Kirk, Spock, etc.  They certainly had their problems with things that
>we have now solved, at would seem to be the case in some of their 
>computer and medical technology.
>
>  


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From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Re: Wedge Theory
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:47:56 GMT

In article <Brqszw.KrK@news.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.120711.4252@sei.cmu.edu>, gh@sei.cmu.edu (Gaurang Hirpara) writes:
>>	Well, I think the possibility that Wedge is related to Luke and
>>	Leia extremely remote. Even according to the FotR script (which
>>	is fan written isn't it?), Lady Arcadia remains hidden with 
>>	Leia as a serving woman in the house of Bail Organa. Forgive
>how do you get a connection between 'house organa' and wedge antillies?
>granted i read FotR long ago but i remember it fairly well... i think.
>
I've always liked Wedge seeing that he's the only minor character that lives
through all the movies.  I was wondering something about Wedge while I was
watching ANH this weekend.  At the time, I didn't know about this thread but we
might get both questions answered:

After R2 claims to be the property of Ben, 3PO says he knows nothing about it
since their last master was Captain Antilles.  Is this Wedge's pop perhaps?

Also, 3PO says that he isn't very good at telling stories in ANH but in RotJ he
seemed pretty good to me.  Another boo boo of character development?

I've tried to follow this group so sorry if these are repeats.

Richard M. Bennema

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From: cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey)
Subject: Re: When does book 3 of Zahn's "Heir..." trilogy come out?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:35:23 GMT

   From what I remeber reading, it'll be out next May.  This book is
supposed to be the final book in his trilogy, but I have difficulty
seeing exactly how ????   After everything in DFR, does any one have any
speculations on how 


       a>  The New Republic will destroy the rebelic Empire ??
       b>  The rebelic Empire will destroy the New Republic ??


there's so much government turmoil going on in the Republic, how can
they refocus themselves into destroying Thrawn and reforming a galactic
unity ???

Lets start a thread on the possibilities...


... crim'

"Flying through hyperspace ain't like dustin crops, boy...."
        - Han Solo , StarWars....
From: jimn@phred.UUCP (Jim Nevermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Wind-up AT-AT
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: jimn@phred.UUCP
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physio-Control

Even though I have no Star Wars models (well, my son does), and even though I'm 43 years old and "supposed to be above such desires" I'm STILL looking for an unbuilt wind-up AT-AT kit! I saw one in motion/action several years ago and thought it was just great. 

Now there are lots of the slightly larger non-walking AT-AT models here in the Seattle area, but none of the smaller wind-up versions are to be found at all. Would some kind soul out there please suggest a reliable store or two I could write to that has them for a reasonable price (with the emphasis on REASONABLE)? Many thanks. 
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
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Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 28 JUL 92 19:38:45    

In article <1992Jul28.233124.11066@u.washington.edu>, watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters) writes...
>As Han pointed out in Empire, they were good friends going way back.  He
>fully realized that Lando was not so much "selling him out" as being
>bullied into an increasingly bad deal by Vader.  Recall the scene in
>ESB when Lando goes to the cell where Han, Leia, Chewie and Threepio bits
>are being held:  Han slugs Lando yes, but points out afterward that Lando
>ALLOWED that to happen.

Also there's the fact that Lando was actually THERE and participating in 
the rescue attempt.  Someone who is trying to sell you out isn't going to 
risk his life to try and save you.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:50:27 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22294]: bourbon

In article <9221000.24421@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:
>
>>On the original Death Star, the fighters could pass through the shields. On
>>the new Death Star, the shields apparently weren't up yet (notwithstanding
>>the Emperor's comment about "fully-functional battlestation"). However, I
>
>The Death Star's shields weren't up yet, which was why it was floating in a
>geostationary orbit above Endor. The Emperor never describes DS2 as fully-
>functional, merely as "fully armed and operational."
>
	Geostationary orbit?  Asumming Endor's mass is similar to Earth's
(and judging from the way objects act on it's surface, it would certainly
seem to be) geostationary orbit would be at approximately 22,300 miles up.
The DS2 seemed to be much nearer to the planet's surface than would be
necessary for a geosyncronous orbit about a world with earth-like mass.
Therefore, how did the Empire keep the DS2 stationary over the shield
generator on Endor?  The fuel requirements for such a maneuver would be
enormous!  BTW, how the hell DID they move the DS's around?  No visible
engines...
>


Derek Toten
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: C3PO was: Re: Wedge Theory
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:00:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.194756.11404@wheaton.wheaton.edu> rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema) writes:
>Also, 3PO says that he isn't very good at telling stories in ANH but in RotJ he
>seemed pretty good to me.  Another boo boo of character development?

Remember, C3PO was a GOD in RotJ. Does great things for story telling 
abilities; try it sometime! :)

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:12:39 GMT

horizon@eebbs.isis.org (Ali Azarbar) writes:
: "Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough" , Ben, ANH. 
: How did Ben get a hold of Anakin's lightsaber? 

I assumed that Ben sort of twisted the story somewhat when he gave it
to Luke -- it probably wasn't even Anakin's. :)

Ben was in the process of training Anakin, right? He didn't finish, I
assume, the Emperor did. So Ben probably never gave Anakin his
full-fledged Jedi saber. He kept it in a drawer a few decades. :)

Scott
--
"The force is with me dude..." Bill or Ted, whichever has straight hair.
From: jimn@phred.UUCP (Jim Nevermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Boxed trilogy question
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:09:32 GMT
Reply-To: jimn@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but I read recently in this newsgroup that there are a few (minor or short?) deletions from each of the three tapes in the commercially packaged Star Wars trilogy set that's been on the market for several months. Could someone else who's purchased the set please confirm or deny the existance of these "deletions"? 

The three tapes are also available individually through those mail-order video "clubs" which advertise in seemingly every magazine there is. If any of you have purchased the tapes through those clubs, what's their quality and completeness like?

I ask these questions because our Star Wars tapes are those less than stellar "edited for television" copies, and of course we'd like to get better versions. 

Please post your response to the whole group and not just to me. Many thanks!      
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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Re: klaatu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:31:16 GMT

In article <1194@niktow.canisius.edu> setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead) writes:
>Well, I can help you out with the origin of 'klaatu' anyways.  It's from
>"The Day The Earth Stood Still" and is one of three words needed to be
>uttered to stop Borg(?) a crazy robot.  I belive the sequence is klaatu,
>niktow, barada.  Not so coincidentally, those are the names of our three
>Unix machines at canisius.  (I'm on niktow)

Go watch the movie sometime, eh?  The robot was NOT crazy by *any*
stretch.  It's name was Gort, and the proper sentence is
"Gort, Klaatu, barada nikto."
(Spelling from "Science Fiction Movies of the '40's, 50's, and 60's.")


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From: krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Rim)
Subject: FOR SALE: Star Wars original Soundtrack
Reply-To: krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Rim)
Organization: Columbia University Center for Computing Activities
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:30:24 GMT

For Sale, the two CD set of Star Wars: The original Soundtrack.
I bought it about a month ago for $30.  I am willing to sell it for 
$24 and I am willing to pay for postage and handling.

Willing to negotiate.

krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Karl Rim
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:16:40 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <jk2xd3h@rpi.edu> caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes:
>In article <l7ga55INNdgu@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>>In article <1bO702v41cEF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>[Lots-O-Stuff regarding how Luke knew who Vader was deleted.]
>
>
>I can't imagine what you guys are thinking.... we're talking about the
>EMPIRE here.  Even if Tatooine is a backwater planet, they know about
>the empire.  (they know about the rebellion, dont they?  why, biggs tells
>him, right there in the movie... :-)  Point is, don't you figure that
>people *know* what vader looks like?  like people *knew* what hitler or
>stalin or sauron (well, i guess not sauron) looked like?  (not, of course,
>trying to draw any plot parallels... 8-)  Figure that Luke would have to
>be a bleedin' ninny (not gettin' into this one) *not* to know who 'that guy
>in black' was.....
>

I would agree with this completely.  It makes sense that people know who their
leaders are, the same way that most people know what George Bush looks like
(as an earlier post pointed out).  However, when Ben tells Luke how his father
was "betrayed and murder by a young Jedi named Darth Vader", I didn't get the
impression that Luke suddenly thought, "Bantha chips! DARTH freaking _VADER_ killed 
my pa! That SOB is _not_ getting my vote for re-election! I'll show him, 
yes I will!"  It seems that Luke would have been doubly-shocked to know that
his father was murdered by some famous space tyrant.  :-)

  -barry h.



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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: 3PO, 3PO, Where's 3PO... 
Keywords: loves computers, nice smile, great with kids, etc,...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:12:31 GMT

In article <92212.085527EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.220757.3528@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott
>McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:
>>
>>Help my poor brain!
>>
>>Where did the white version of 3PO appear in the movies?
>>
>>I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....
>
>Do you mean these:
>The extra 3PO on the blockade runner at the beginning on ANH?
>The rude 3PO when the heros just walk into Cloud City before C3PO does an
>'exit, stage all-over-the-place?'
>Cant remember any others....
>
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>                               __       __    Lab Computer Attendant
>(_______ _      _ ________ _     _) _     _)  for PSU's CAC Department

Well, I also remember one white one in the war room on Hoth (I think
that this is also where the one trading card comes from).  I also seem
to recall many being dispersed in various places around the movie, along
with those multi-colored nifty R2 units, and other droids we can't
identify... *8)


	--Jerry



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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C3PO was: Re: Wedge Theory
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:02:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.vgzxpdb
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <1992Jul27.194756.11404@wheaton.wheaton.edu> rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema) writes:
>Also, 3PO says that he isn't very good at telling stories in ANH but in RotJ he
>seemed pretty good to me.  Another boo boo of character development?

Sure, 3P0 was good - sound effects like those?  but lets face it -
with as many holes as he left in plot development, you'd think he
writes for star trek......

:-)


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From: gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:36:30 GMT
Reply-To: gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP (George Francis McBay)
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <BrwD6H.2Dz@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>anti-matter bombs.  Besides, it was a FULLY OPERATIONAL Death Star [emphasis
>mine], and the Millenium Falcon still penetrated its useless shields.   
			
	I hate to get in this ST vs SW fight, even indirectly..However...
This is about the third post I've seen talking about the SHIELDS on the 
original Death Star...My question is..can anyone prove they exist? I don't
remember anyone mentioning these at all during the first movie (But I also
did not read the novelization, so...)  I was under the impression that the
first death star was just incredibly-well armored, which is why they had to
shoot into an exhaust port to do any real damage AFTER they came through the
shield everyone else seems to think was there. I got the impression that
the shield on DSII was there only because the superstructure wasn't finished,
and that a shield that size NEEDED to be external, or they would have put
an interal one in much sooner (At least before they made the weapons 
operational)

Anyways..
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