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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum (was Re: The Archers: a beginner's guide)
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:28:11 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <10989@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> colin@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <BxGBFz.15E@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov6.090722.626@aber.ac.uk> dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff) writes:
>>>Since then, Robin has been doing his best to avoid Caroline.
>
>>Yaaay!
>
>>Not any more! :-) :-)
>
>Ooh, you little tease... tell all. I've not had an update in weeks, and
>the sedatives are starting to lose their effect.  

Well, I've not heard all the episodes but..

Caroline pounced on Robin in the woods and demanded to know why he was
avoiding her. He denied it. They quarreled. He admitted Brian has said
nasty things about her that drove him mad with jealousy. She told him
what she thought of him for caring what Brian said ( defended herself
most fiestily I thought) and said she'd never pretended to be "better
than she should be", and they ended up passionately kissing and
making up, followed immediately by "Dum de dum de dum de dum" etc

It was most cheerful. :-) :-)


Brian approached them both in the pub last night making horrid comments
but they both told him to get lost.


However, Robin syas they have to keep things quiet, but why I don't know
- I missed that bit. Caroline seems a bit worried about this.

cheers

M

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Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Nov10.092941.11090@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
>>
>>Last Wednesday's vote was procedurally unnecessary.  It was engineered
>>by John Major because he wanted to be seen to win something.  How you
>>can talk about a sincere show of support for such a Machiavellian
>>device I don't know.  The Lib Dems supported the Government at Second
>>Reading.  Wasn't that sincere enough?
>
>If the vote was so meaningless, why is it that politicians in
>other European countries, including people on the left such as
>Mitterand, have expressed such relief that it was passed?

Probably because they didn't understand what it was about (and I don't
blame them).  Mitterrand et al seem to be pretty unhappy with the way
things have worked out, in any case; they're all complaining now that
the British are going to put off ratification until the middle of next
year -- but that was the very concession introduced to allow the
Government to win the vote.  The ridiculous thing is that if the
motion hadn't been passed, we'd have gone ahead with the bill anyway
after a few months, and it would probably have made no difference to
the eventual ratification date.  So what did the Government actually
achieve by winning the vote?  They'd have been better off not having
the vote at all.

>I think it's extremely important for opponents of the
>government *not* to blame Major personally. That is only
>playing to the "bring back Thatcher" wing. Most of the problems
>the government is fighting with now are the long term effect
>of misgovernment under Thatcher. While it is unrealistic to
>suppose that Thatcher could be brought back as leader of the
>Tory Party, it is not unrealistic to suppose they could bring
>someone in who stood on the platform of "going back to Margaret
>Thatcher's principles". They managed to pull off tehlast
>election by a change of leadership, don't let them managae iot
>with the next one.

Yes, but who?  There's no obvious Thatcherite candidate waiting
in the wings.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: Re: VNS: Tue  3-Nov-1992
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:41:42 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.155140.5070@ttinews.tti.com>, jackson@soldev.tti.com
(Dick Jackson) writes:
>
>><><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e 
><><><><><><><><>
>..
>>    Reading busses are evaluating a new "bio-diesal" fuel made from rape
>>    seed oil. It is already in use in a number of European countries and
>is
>>    less harmfull to the environment.
>
>Driving up the San Diego freeway this morning on my way to work I heard
>on the radio about how Jacques Delors (who, I was informed, is known in
>Britain as the "Beelzebub of Brussels" - jolly witty!) was single
>handedly
>stopping the EC being nice to the Americans over farm subsidies.
>
>Haven't really kept up with this, but is it not this rape seed fuel
>whose subsidy started the latest kerfuffle?
>
>Dick Jackson

   Well, it is the rape seed that seems to be at the cause of the 
problems, although I don't know if the specific application of it
as a fuel source was involved but given that the farmers can grow
fuel-crops on the 'set-aside' land that they get subsidies for, I
expect do.

   There was a short mention of these buses on Tomorrows World not
long ago, which implied that while the fuel itself was less harmful
to the enviroment than, for example, diesel, the figures changed
when the work involved in growing the crop (fertilisers, etc),
harvesting (fuel for farm machinery, etc) and extracting the oil
(whatever!) is included in the calculations.

Gwyn
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mgw@haggis.physics.mun.ca (Martin White)
Subject: Re: Grauniad headline Shock Horror
Reply-To: mgw@haggis.physics.mun.ca (Martin White)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.164115.11045@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
|>
|>From a recent Grauniad Weekly, above an article describing glaring errors
|>in the word lists for a French syllabus, the headline:
|>
|>Grave Problems with French Letters
|>
|>Now you know why its the Groaniad.
|>
|>--
|>
   This reminds me of a headline on the back (sports) page of the Independant
a couple of years ago. Previewing the upcoming clash between England and France in the Rugby 5 Nations championship, the headline proclaimed;

          Condom back in French pack

cheers Martin

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                           St John's, NFLD, Canada.
                         mgw@weejordy.physics.mun.ca
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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dog in House of Parliament
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:32:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew Lodge)
>What's wrong is that by the time the bill came to the vote, it was less a
>vote on Maastricht and more a vote of confidence in the Major government. We
>came within three votes of a getting a general election. Thanks Paddy. (cue
>cries of "But it'a a matter of principle", at which point I refer you to
>last night's Spitting Image)

Yes, this one's going to pass into the folklore as yet another
piece of shit for the Labour Party to throw at Liberal
Democrats. In fact there was no chance of a General Election.
At the most Major would have resigned, and another Tory would
have been put in his place. The Tory far right are already
making demands for more influence following their show of power
in the Maastricht vote. What would they be demanding had they
actually won?

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:39:37 GMT

>>> 
>>> It's true, I dislike Canada a great deal.
>>> 
>> 
		Well, that's fairly obvious, but why do you bore us with 
going on and on and on and ON and ON about it?  

>>I'd say that someone who announces his dislike of a
>>country or society as diverse as Canada is taking a
>>great risk.
>> 
>Why?
>
>It is the lack of diversity that I disliked most.  Sure you have the French
>culture and the Inuits, both of which you have done your best to suppress,
>and I like those.  But the vast majority of Anglophone Canadians and hence
>the vast majority of Canadians are utterly boring, with no diversity at all.
>Even the Asians and Middle-Eastern people you have absorbed have lost their
>identities and become just like everyone else - drab, mediocre.
>
>Laurence
>

It is fairly apparent that you haven't been to Toronto (or at least, if
you were, you kept your eyes and ears closed, metaphorically speaking).

A UN agency (?UNESCO) described Toronto as the most cosmopolitan city 
(=culturally diverse) in the world, less  than two years ago.  There are
scores and  scores of different nationalities here,  and they DON'T all
blend into a uniform grey-brown slush.  The snow on the streets might, but
the  people  don't.

I'm sorry, sir, if we don't meet your high standards; but I  would  say
with respect that that is your problem, not  ours.

I'm sorry  you lost your job with the NRC in 87.  You now call NRC "pitiful"
but that really does  sound like sour grapes. 

By the way, re:  Inuit -- singular, Innu; plural,  Inuit.  No such word as
Inuits.

Chris (who can't believe he's  responding to Laurence, and promises not to
       in future)

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   chemical engineering / university of toronto
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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Religion & Morality (was Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:41:12 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <1992Nov10.145541.17601@sei.cmu.edu>, firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:

> 
> Yes, as every sane and stable society has known for eight thousand
> years, religion has a proper place in the body politic.  It should
> be given that place, duly respected and listened to, and, of course,
> firmly confined to that proper place.
> 
> Some societies allow religion too great a place; we call them theocracies.
> Others, by contrast, foolishly deny religion any place, and then find not
> only endless public strife about moral issues unresolvable within a crippled
> polity,

Why should a religious body be regarded as the only acceptable arbiter of
morals? Are athiests therefore immoral by definition? Are fundamentalist
religious leaders proclaiming holy wars always morally correct?

I fail to see why a society should be any less moral merely because it sees
no place for religion.

Steve
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:09:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
Reply-To: martin.baines@uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 10151@sei.cmu.edu, firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
>In article <lfqsm6INNa86@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>
>>Well, has there ever been a Catholic prime minister of Britain?
>
>Good grief, who knows?  I can probably name every PM in the last century,
>but, other than by mere accident, have no idea what religion or subset
>thereof was practiced by any of them.
>
>For that matter, who cares?  Such a question is significant only in a
>country where religion and politics are far more entangled than they
>ought to be.

Which brings us full circle to where this tread started: in the US
there is theoretical separtation of church and state, but in practice
Religion has a very major effect on government. In the UK we have an
established church, but in practice religion has very little impact on
the running of the state. As an athiest I know which I prefer!

Personally, I would like to see the church disestablished, but in
practice parliament interfers far more in the C of E than vice versa. I
sometimes wonder why they don't make a bigger deal out of it, after all
I am sure they don't want people with my religious views telling them
what to do!

Martin

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: How to insult a Brit (yet again)
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:36:12 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <1992Nov9.164442.15977@unislc.uucp>, pjd@unislc.uucp writes:
> The Salt Lake Tribune (Utah, USA) had an interesting letter in the
> November 9 edition.
> 
> A British woman living in the area wrote to take exception to a column
> that described British food as "swill." (I think that was the word.)
> She closed the letter with this:  "As we Brits would say, . . . ."
>                                          ^^^^^
> Do you think she's been living among the 'Merkuns too long?

Yup, and she's not the only one.   BBC shortwave had a
feature on the Forbidden City last evening - very
interesting it was, too - in which they mentioned the
Western nations taking part in the suppression of the Boxer
Rebellion.    Including, they said, the "Brits".  Gresham's
Law at work?

jon/
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:01:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov11.205506.29648@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:

   The volume of messages in this group is getting very large - has 
   anyone considered splitting the group?

Into what?  soc.culture.british.tory and soc.culture.british.others would be
good...  or soc.culture.british.smileys and soc.culture.british.old-guard.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk
From: MDuPree@world.std.com (Micky DuPree)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Summary: Surely not just in comedies ...
Keywords: Scots, Cockney, Taggart, Eastenders
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:04:26 GMT

I've lost the original article for this thread, but I wanted to ask for
clarification.  Someone claimed that Scots could only be found on
television in comedies.  I've seen some of the Scottish Television
police drama "Taggart," which is set in Glasgow and concerns Glaswegian
characters.  My question is for those people who are in the camp that
says that Scots is a separate language from English: are the regular
characters on "Taggart" speaking Scots or are they speaking English with
a Scottish accent?

As for Cockney only being used in comedies, I could have sworn I've
heard it on a number of crime dramas, and while I've never seen the
program, surely "Eastenders" features a lot of Cockney.  But correct me
if I'm wrong.

-Micky (headed for the U.K. in 1993, and not enough time to f**king
       pack)


* TV: Blake's 7, Star Cops, Sandbaggers, Callan *
* Music: Simple Minds and U2 *
From: dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Archers: a beginner's guide (was Re: Archers - FAQ)
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:07:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Apologies if this has already been answered but our news feed is a bit wonky
at present, resulting in stuff arriving a few days late in a strange order.

In article <Bwu28G.32H@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>In article <1992Oct28.102630.1739@aber.ac.uk> dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff) writes:
>>>
>>I'm not sure if I would regard Brian as rehabilitated in any way,
>>following his little chat with Robin after the harvest supper and the
>>effect this has had on Caroline & Robin's possible relationship.
>>
>
>Eh?? I missed this completely? What did Brain say???
>
Brian spent the whole of the supper goading Caroline about her relationship
with Robin, making snide innuendo and winding her up. She was about to thump
him when he pointed out that Robin was watching the conversation so she'd
better not. After the meal Caroline stomped off home sharpish and Brian
ended up staying around to clear up. At the end of the evening, as he was 
leaving, Brian told Robin that Caroline had made a lot of friends in the
village, some of them more than just friends. He also said that this wasn't
just gossip he was repeating, as he'd been one of those 'more than close'
friends.

Since then, Robin has been doing his best to avoid Caroline.


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:50:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.084636.16113@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>In article <5NOV199203010964@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
					      ^^^^^^
>Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
      ^^^^^^^
>Dept of Comp Sci, UofT                       I left so much behind."
>migod@turing.toronto.edu                                -- Leonard Cohen


	Are you two related (by any remote possibility)?


	Alec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Not Philips.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:47:15 GMT

In refd article, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In refd article, userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell) writes:
>>   I understood quite clearly that you had quit at NRC. My only intention was
>>to infer that I was quite glad you were gone from Canada. I apologise for
>>any unintended offense.
>
>Oh gee, I'm sorry if my presence in Canada upset you Dave.  It's much better
>not to have people with views that differ from yours littering up the
>country, right?

Who knows in your case Laurence, you've never told us your views, only your
prejudices, but perhaps that's just as well.
-- 
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From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: JANET/Internet
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:42:16 GMT
	<1992Nov12.180041.4934@netcom.com>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: sue@netcom.com's message of 12 Nov 92 18:00:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.180041.4934@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

   Wouldn't it be easier in the long run for Janet to convert to the Internet 
   standard?

It's easier to say than do. You might as well ask for everyone in the
UK to switch over to driving on the right hand side of the road.

Wouldn't it be easier in the long run for the whole world to convert
to the X.400 standard? :-)

   Either that, or someone should modify the mailers to juggle the
   addresses.  

Again, that's much easier to say than actually do. Firstly, many JANET
sites already run mail systems which *do* flip domains. Secondly, work
and support for Greybook-only mail systems has essentially been
stopped. This means there are no resources or incentives to modify
the existing mail systems running on IBM mainframes, VMS VAXen and the
like. Thirdly, some sites don't have the staff or the inclination to
support yet another set of protocols. Finally, JANET has a transition
plan to ultimately migrate to ISO standards. For some, this means that
X.400 is more important than Internet email.

		Jim
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:59:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov6.034654.128422@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
> Simple Question: Did the Tories get more votes than Labour? Simple Answer:
> Yes, therefore they have the right to govern. If you dispute the "yes", post
> your numbers - if I am wrong, I would be interested to know. I am not going
> to lose more time proving the obvious. The same goes for Mr. Cooke, too, who
> says...
> 

No. The simple question is: Did the Tories get more votes than everyone else
put together? Simple answer: No, therefore their right to govern is based on an
unrepresentative electoral system. (Though people might be beginning to wonder
if an electoral system that gives the Liberal Democrats the opportunity to keep
a failed government in power is a good thing, after their capitulation to
Conservative pleas last Wednesday.)
-- 

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wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Private Uni's
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:14:03 GMT
	<1992Nov6.103222.3273@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> <27812@castle.ed.ac.uk>
	<CC.92Nov6141908@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <BxB92C.B0B.1@cs.cmu.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <BxB92C.B0B.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:

      The University of Edinburgh is 409 years old, and (I seem to remember
      that) it's the youngest of the four old Scottish Universities of St.
      Andrews, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Glasgow.

   Which still makes them all substantially younger than either Oxford
   or (even) Cambridge.

Yes, of course.  But they still have quite a few centuries under their belts
:-) Anyway, Matthew pointed out that he wasn't talking about British
Universities at all, just English ones, so it's irrelevant I suppose...
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
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