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From: jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Subject: Videos are HERE!
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:02:11 GMT

Don't tell me it's actually happened.  I can't possibly be the first one to
get the 1992 videos.  Naahhh.

However, in the event that I am among the fortunate first few, here's a
brief review for those of you still considering purchasing them.

The highlights tape is almost not worth the price, IMO.  The "narration"
moves too slowly, does not provide enough information, and doesn't sound
interesting to the ear.  It sounds like it was read cold, and badly, too.
The quality is better than last year's tape, but I didn't find the choices
of what got put on to be that great.  Maybe it's me, but I didn't get a 
"feel" for the convention like I did from last year's tape.  And there just
wasn't enough Club Renegade footage for this little black duck.  I still
think the Renegades should market tapes from CR--I'd pay for 'em.  And
where was the footage of Gulko's tie act that I was hoping to see?  Not
one second made it onto the final product.

Another point, petty though it may be, about the highlights tape--the cover
is dull.  No photos, just nice lettering.  Whee.

BUT, let's be fair about this.  As I said, the quality is good, much better
than last year's, especially for the staged events.  The only real problem
was the low camera position, so when someone got a standing O you couldn't
see the stage.  Other than that, it was weel done technically, and the titles
were good, although they needed either the highlighting used last year or
they needed to be larger for the technical details, and the numbers titles
need a background or something--they're almost illegible.

Overall, I give it about a 4.  I did like the inclusion of the entire winning
(oops, wrong word there, eh?) acts for Seniors and Teams, and would have
liked to have seen the whole winning Juniors act--oh well, guess I can buy
the Juniors tape.  What I think we need is a tape that not only shows a lot
of good juggling, but one that gives non-convention goers and the general
public a good look at what we do at our conventions.  I don't know about
the cost, but the IJA might consider making a promotional tape which would
include segments from previous years, all designed to promote juggling and
the IJA to the general public--when we have spare cash, of course....


The Seniors/Teams tape:  Not much to say, as this is MY kind of tape--just
juggling.  The technical quality was good, the presentation is nice and
straightforward, except for Craig's awkwardness with the awards.  It does, 
however, stress one point very clearly:  NEVER let Markus MC anything ever
again.  Yick.  It was even worse than I remember it.

Anyway, there's my $.02.  Has anyone else received their tapes yet?  Duane?


Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: Videos are HERE!
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:16:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.070211.1465@psg.com>, jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman) writes:
|>  ....
|> The highlights tape is almost not worth the price, IMO.
|>  ....
|> And where was the footage of Gulko's tie act that I was hoping to see?  Not
|> one second made it onto the final product.
|>  ....
|> What I think we need is a tape that not only shows a lot
|> of good juggling, but one that gives non-convention goers and the general
|> public a good look at what we do at our conventions.   
|>  ....
|> The Seniors/Teams tape:  Not much to say, as this is MY kind of tape--just
|> juggling. 
 
|> Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com

Just a general statement/request.   I am one of those "non-convention" goers.
(doesn't mean I'll never go ... just haven't been to one yet).   I look
through Juggler's World and see ads for many dollars worth of tapes from past
Festivals/Conventions.  I'd love to invest a modest amount of cash (like $60)
to get a few of the "best" tapes that qualify as Jim's kind of tape --- just
good juggling.  Can anyone offer a "buyer's guide" that gives a critique
of the available tapes (other than the blurbs in JW that say they are ALL great
and worth the money) so people like myself can at least spend our money
wisely?

Also, I had heard at the Philadelphia convention that Gulko's tie act was
HYSTERICAL and had people practically rolling in the aisles with laughter.
If that's true, how could it possibly have been omitted?

yraG
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Steal this Book!
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:51:43 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems


To the person that wanted to steal the original book. I have a copy of the
Carlo book that is just collecting dust on my shelves. If you can prove you
are the original, anybody who can remember the original poster let me know, I
will send you my copy for free. Merry Christmas!

-- mike --

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	Phone: (703) 848-2050	Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300
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From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Unicycle
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:31:44 MST
Followup-To: rec.juggling
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

I just got a unicycle, and I had some questions that weren't answered
in the faq.

1) Which way is the front of the unicycle?  The seat is not completely
   symmetrical--the post is attached to a point that is about an inch
   away from the center.  Does it matter even?

2) How high should the seat be?  I have a 24-inch unicycle, and right
   now, I can touch my toes to the ground when I take my feet off the
   pedals.  Also, my leg is mostly strectched out when the pedal is
   down, with my knee slightly bent.

3) Any other pointers that aren't mentioned in the unicycling faq on
   the ftp site?

----
"Dwayne Dibly?!" - The Cat (I've seen 5th season.  Have you?)
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From: zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Christmas Card
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:39:43 GMT
Organization: Oxford University, Dept of Antiquated Physics

Just got a lovely Christmas card from a friend-
the picture is of a very bandy legged juggler in front of a Christmas tree. The
tree has 9 baubles on it, at the ends of the branches, arranged (vaguely) in a
cascade pattern. The juggler is holding his hands out beneath them, looking
like he is juggling the nine baubles.

Well I thought is was cute anyway :-)

ken

ps Have a great Christmas to all on the net (or Solstice, Winterfest, or
Hannukah depending on your orientation).

pps Just discovered you don't have Christmas crackers in the USA. Poor people.
Nor fireworks. Crazy...

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From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: previous post on Burks and Dirks
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.


A concise (but not necessarily understandable) description of Burkes
Barrage is 342 site-swap, while crossing the arms. 

The way this works out is that the 4 throws are caught over the
opposite arm, are carried through the middle of the pattern (during
the 2) and are thrown under the opposite arm.

If you don't know site-swap this was a use-less description, sorry.
	Ab.
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From: tgarrett@pdx.mentorg.com (Troy Garrett)
Subject: IJA Convention Dates?
Originator: tgarrett@tgarrett
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:28:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: mktg

Sorry to ask a question that has undoubtedly been asked
a thousand times, but I haven't read the news for months.
Anyway, can someone tell me the dates of the 1993 IJA
Convention that I believe is in Fargo, ND?  

Thanks,

Troy
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From: "Jondalar (Friedeman,Richard F)" <FRIEDEMA@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Subject: jugglig stores in chicago
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:52:54 cdt

the only one i was able to find in the city is a magic shop called Magic Inc. 
They have juggle bug things as well as Todd Smith.  they're also willing to 
order most things they don't have in stock.  i was greatly disappointed to 
learn that they stopped carrying dube' things, though.

rich
FRIEDEMA@AC.GRIN.EDU
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:57:27 GMT
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center

In article <1gog5sINN4cs@agate.berkeley.edu>, jeff@econBerkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>Who Cares?  Juggling is for the enjoyment of the juggler.

  I believe this to be THE dividing line.  If juggling is for the enjoyment 
of the juggler then numbers juggling and notation juggling (such as site 
swaps, MHN, etc.) are a legitimate juggling pursuit.  If juggling is for 
the enjoyment of the audience (or to pay the juggler's bills) they are not.
[Obviously there will be exceptions.]  
  Who is the best numbers juggler?  Anthony Gatto.  Does his pay grade 
reflect this?  Maybe a little, but the answer is basically: no.  

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From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: How to do Mills Mess
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.132318.2216@ohm.york.ac.uk> jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) writes:

[everything deleted]

>-- 
>john nicoll (jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk)
>Department of Electronics  University of York
>Heslington   YORK YO1 5DD U.K
>Tel +44 (904) 433221   Fax +44 (904) 432335

excelent instructions john.  for anyone trying to learn mills, this 
is the most effective way of learning and john has described the motion
very accurately.

to add the third ball, hold it in the crossed hand that is on top.
before you catch the second thrown ball, toss the third ball straight up.
things should fall in place once you get the two balls down.

later,
phil

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:42:03 -0500 
From: Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Anyone know what's up in eithe Tuscon AZ or Vegas nxt cpl weeks?

Excerpts from netnews.rec.juggling: 16-Dec-92 Anyone know what's up in
ei.. by Erik N. Levin@silver.lcs 
> I'm going to be in Tuscon for 1.5 weeks around Xmas, and was wondering
> if anyone knows the scene there, or knows what's doing in Vegas between
> 23 dec and 30 dec. 
>  
> Thanx for any inf
> Erik Levin
> enl@silver.lcs.mit.edu

This may be too late for you, but the first ever IJA winter convention
will be in Las Vegas, starting something like January 3rd.  It's in
Juggler's World, which I or someone else can check for you if you want.
-Ben
new address: benjamin@math.washington.com
From: jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Silly question...
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:24:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Dec14.022457.3208
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

I've lost it.  I know, silly me.  Will someone please send me Bill Giduz's 
email address?  Thanks.


Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: previous post on Burks and Dirks
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.163223.18912@das.harvard.edu> vince@endor.uucp (Vincent Darley) writes:
>What exactly are Burks Burrage and Dirks Disaster ? Pardon the ignorance
>
	They are three-ball derivatives of Mill's Mess.  I don't know anything
about Dirk's DIsaster other than I read about it on the net.  I do have a
description posted by someone about a year, year and a half ago describing
Burke's Barrage.  Since my last posting, I have been making real progress in
this truly strange trick.  Possibly the best thing you can do to learn these
tricks is to get the book "Beyond The Cascade" which describes them with
diagrams 'n' stuff.  A friend sent me a written copy of the diagrams for
Burke's Burrage and in a few short months (!!!) I can finally get it started!
	Seriously, though. Get the book.  I hear it's really good.  Maybe I'll
get it one day. :^>.
	-- Jon Krivitzky
P.S.  If you (or anyone) wants the file I have on burke's burrage, I'll mail it
to you.  I can't remember who posted it, but I got it off the net and that's
public domain, right?
.
From: vince@endor.uucp (Vincent Darley)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:04:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Dec13.170430.7903
Distribution: rec
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

>As a recent Mill's Messer I feel justified in commenting here as well.  Less
>than a year after I learned to juggle at all - I'm not sure which was the
>greater accomplishment.  probable juggling.  but anyway...
>I've been having problems doing this with clubs too.  I can get anywhere from
>three throws to three interations before everything collides, flies in four
>different directions (with only three clubs! ;> ), and hits me on the
> head, all concurrently and consecutively.
>
>Any suggestions?  Do people use doubles, singles (what I've been using thus
>far), etc?

I think it's quite hard to make Mills' mess look good with clubs. I've
done both singles and doubles - but it's always a bit awkward. You
need to throw them in quite large loops from outside to inside, trying
to angle them the right way for catching. You might find it easier to
practise juggling with your arms crossed first, as I know I could do
this before I'd even heard of Mills' mess.
Slow singles are definitely easiest
		***** **** *** ** *	**
		*	  Vince		 *
		**     * ** *** **** *****
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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Re: How many jugglers...?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:02:03 GMT

Greg Ostravich (grego@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com) wrote:
} In article <1992Dec9.175338.22425@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
} 
} Here's a version of the only Lucas joke I know - 
} 
} A juggler dies and goes to heaven.   While there he wanders around and sees
} W. C. Fields playing with Cigar boxes.  Then he wanders around some more and
} sees Bobby May doing some very interesting ball work.  Then he runs into
} Lucas, only he's just sitting there doing nothing.  He asks somebody why
} Lucas isn't juggling and they say,
} 
} Oh, that's not Lucas, that's God.  He just *THINKS* he's Lucas.
} 

Interesting. I heard the exact same joke, only it was a great jazz jam 
session in heaven, and the punchline was, "he thinks he's Miles."
Of course that was before Miles died...


--
Harris Wulfson
hjwulfson@amherst.edu
From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Wooden DIY Clubs
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:17:23 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.


I saw some hand made clubs at Banyoles that were very nice. They were
made out of split bamboo. The best way for me to describe them is to
tell you how I'd make then:

For one club you need:
1 length of dowel (the right lenght for the club).
1 piece of bamboo, slightly longer than the dowel, and thick enough for
the dowel to fit inside it.
2 wooden disks, one the size of the end of the bell, one the size of
the bell at its widest part. The disks should be drilled in the center
with a hole the same size as the dowel.
Some strips of leather for finishing.
Glue, tacks etc.

Method: Take the bamboo, and bind one end with leather to make a
handle. Starting with the other end, split the bamboo into six strips.
Open up the splits as far as the handle.

Insert the dowel into the bamboo so that it fits inside the handle.
Open out the bamboo at the other end and slip the largest wooden disk
onto the dowel. Slide this aproximately a third of the way down the
dowel. This will force the split bamboo to open out into a sort of
basket shape.

Fit the smaller disk onto the end of the dowel. Stick the loose ends
of bamboo down to the smaller disk. Finish by wrapping leather around
the points where the bamboo is joined to the disks and you have a
genuine organic juggling club.

I played with some of these at Banyoles, and they were really nice.
Although I would probably put this down to the skill of the guy who
made them.
	Ab.
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From: jwc2001@andy.bgsu.edu (J Cannon)
Subject: Re: What impresses a crowd?
Followup-To: rec.juggling
Organization: Three guys in a computer lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:52:00 GMT

 
> So what is it that most impresses a crowd?
> 
> I'm starting to believe that only jugglers are impressed by numbers
> juggling and difficult tricks.  
> 
>                        Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)

Well, Bob, you're absolutely correct in your belief.  Why?  Because the
average schmuck on the street doesn't know crud about juggling.  They have
no idea what is difficult and what isn't, and the typical source of
people's ideas about juggling is television.  Hey, if you can't juggle
chainsaws, why should I watch your act?

Seriously, I worked at an amusement park this summer, and the crowds were
interested in riding the roller coasters and hitting the beer gardens.  I
had an outdoor/atmo show, and I found that the only way to impress people
was to flat out tell them to be impressed!  For example, get their
attention, gather a crowd, then really work them up before doing a trick. 
You can't just juggle, you have to educate your audience about what you're
doing for them.

Unfortunately, most jugglers can't be artists like Michael Moschen or
Francis Brunn, so you have to give in to some degree of sensationalism to
sell your act.  Audiences go crazy over audience participation gags,
combinations (juggling and balancing/unicycling/picking your nose/etc), and
*anything* on fire.  Case in point:  I did a street show at Michigan State
University one Saturday evening...the crowds didn't even clap for five
clubs, but went nuts over the fire devil stick (I'm a geeky devil stick
guy...)

I'm sure other performers have had similar experiences...

I'm off to the Circus Kingdom tour in Florida...wish us luck...

Jim Cannon
From: day!nullset!rick@uwm.edu (Richard J. Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Looking for a Klutz quote
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:00:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)

Jim the Juggler, (jimd@m2xenix.psg.com) writes, quoting Juggling for
the Complete Klutz:  

> [...] you should recognize that 4 is not what your friends *really* want.
> What they really want is one more than whatever you can do.  This
> is the numbers game trap.


Here are some comments I've received from passersby while practicing.
Those delivering these statements were, without exception, completely
unimpressed.

	I do:				   They say:
     ----------				---------------
A short run (20+ catches) of		No, I meant how many balls can
eight balls.				you *really* juggle!?
						-or-
					Can you do nine?

About 50 catches of seven balls,	What else can you do with seven
clean pattern, no-drop finish.		balls?

Just about any trick that I'm		A friend of mine once saw a guy
proud of with 5 balls.			who juggled chain saws [bowling
					balls].

					Have you ever juggled live animals?

--Rick Moll	rick@nullset.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.juggling,rec.puzzles
From: thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Subject: Re: do you know...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:14:54 GMT

In article <BzJ3Iz.5vw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl)) writes:
>Games Magazine did an article on the World Puzzle Team Championships,
>and the story mentioneda canadian mathematics student, Roy Maltby.
>He is apparantly a juggler.  Anybody know him?  Are you reading
>this, Roy?  Someone here in town thinks they recognize him from conventions.
>There's a photo of the Canadian team on p.12.  The overall puzzle
>champ was a McGill comp. sci phd student.

update: he is in the IJA roster, listed as living in Alberta.  At
least, his mail drop is, anyway.



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From: me@Sunburn.stanford.edu (Martin Frost)
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:23:43

I think that the reason most non-jugglers don't appreciate a pattern like
the 7-ball cascade, which we all know is difficult, is that it is a very
static pattern.  If you do it well, you hardly move -- your arms may be
moving fast, but not very far.  Do 7 balls for a minute and you look about
as interesting as a good statue.  Of course, if you can do even just 3
balls (or a tall unicycle!) and look like you're really struggling and
going all over the place and going to lose it any minute, but you keep it
going, then you've got their attention (for a while at least).

If you move your body, your legs, or your arms, then there's some motion
for the audience to notice -- they don't really notice the balls, they
notice you.  But if you just do the same thing over and over (like you do
when juggling 7 balls in a cascade), they're bored.

And, sure, "dangerous" thing like torches, knives and (ugh) chainsaws get
their attention.  As does telling a story or doing comedy.

In fact, probably most of you jugglers would get bored just watching
someone do 7 balls (or a team passing 9-clubs in a 1-count) for a long time
unless you thought that perhaps you were seeing something close to a world
record.

People don't watch just to see something difficult -- they want to see
something interesting or at least newsworthy (like a world record juggler),
not some static juggling pattern.  They don't come just to watch you show
off.

In other words, you need some life in your show to hold a crowd.
--
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)