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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Subject: Re: LNH: Flaming of LNHers
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:23:03 GMT

In <5969@balrog.ctron.com> lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence) writes:

>This argument over whether or not LNH material belongs on this newsgroup
>is not only sophomoric, petty and -- most importantly -- UNFOUNDED,
>but now it's getting personal and THAT WILL STOP!
>Just because a few closed-minded, self-appointed Newsnet Police have
>decided that simply because THEY don't like or "have no interest" in
>the LNH, that it doesn't belong on "their" newsgroup, is no reason for
>anyone associated with the LNH to bow to these NetLord wanna-bes.
>I'm tempted to make reference to sand and where they can pound it,
>but I won't sink to the pathetic level of personal insults that so
>many of these Newsnet Police "officers" have sunk to in stuffing
>my e-mail box with flames in the past three days.
>Grow up and pull you thumb out so you can use your kill file!

Thanks for stopping this discussion from degenerating into
a personal argument, Gary. :-(
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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Which Flash is Faster? (Was Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!)
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:17:02 GMT

In article <By1ysx.4xy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, lpscott@toccata.cc.purdue.edu (Louis Scott) writes:

> > >>IMHO though, all they'd had to have done is call in the JSA; Flash
> > >>(much faster than Wally), Starman, and GL could certainly been of use.
> > >
> > >	I dunno if Jay is faster than Wally.  He can vibrate, but there's
> > >no evidence that Jay is faster.  Jay used to be able to keep up with 
> > >Barry, but so could Wally.  Joan Garrick mentioned that Jay felt faster
> > >when Barrry was around.  If Barry was responcible for Wally being so
> > >fast, then he probably projected the same effect on Jay.
> > 
> > In one of the issues of JSA (#2), Jay outran a light switch (meaning he ran
> > from the switch to the middle of the room before the light came on).  I'd 
> > say that's faster than Wally...I like the JSA idea too.
> 
> Some time ago (I think it's been a year, but don't quote me on that.) Wally 
> was shot by Vandal Savage. Some device that had been given to him by the 
> Kilg%re (don't quote me on the spelling) fixed him up, and Wally went back
> for a rematch. (Sporting his new uniform, curtesy of STAR labs.)  Savage has
> his base in the middle of some dessert, and on the way there Wally is running 
> so fast that the sand is turning molten under his feat. (pun intended.) He then
> takes out 10-20 of Savage's goons who are on some drug called Velocity-9 (once
> again, don't quote me on the name of the drug) that makes them as fast as
> Wally was when he had trouble breaking the sound barrier. Wally goes through 
> them without really thinking about it. Finally, Savage tries to shoot the female
> from Red Trinity, who had been helping him because she was addicted to the
> drug. Wally, from about 20 yards away, grabs all six bullets before they traveled
> the three feet from Savage to Whatever-Her-Name-Is. 
> 
> I think Wally and Jay are pretty much on the same level as far as speed, but Wally
> hasn't developed his control. 
> 
> Kent (Don't Quote Me) Shakespeare 

Sorry, Kent. . .

None of the "feats" you mention measure up to Jay outrunning electricity, which
is close to the speed of light.  Or even that scene in the JSA title, where Jay
runs to another state to get a newspaper and gets back in a couple of seconds.
The real answer: they're as fast as the writers/editors say, of course.  But if
we constrain ourselves to what we've seen in the books, then Jay is MUCH faster
than Wally.

Kevvy Kev
(. . .We're only guessing.  We aren't dealing with reality.)
 -Lance "William Blake?" Smith
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: INDY: On a Pale Horse (was Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:12:19 GMT
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

|> Innovation's "On A Pale Horse"? 
|> 
|> Whatever happened to the rest of it? I know 2 parts came out, but nothing else.

I think the issues of this series is actually either published annually, or twice
annually, by design.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:31:19 GMT

royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:


>To every Wolvie fan out there, Wolverine #65 is a must-have!

>For the first time in years, we get a chance to see a tortured Wolvie; we get
>to see how he FEELS.
>              ^^^^^
>This issue contains violence, but not in a senseless way. The violence in this
>issue is clearly there to make a point; it has a goal. I despite pointless 
>violence in comicbooks but here it is almost necessary to the story.

>And as if this wasn't enough, we get to see a Texeira at his greatest. Boy do I
>love his art!

>I still find stupid to have Silverfox killed. It is a way for Marvel to avoid
>difficult storylines, IMHO. But still, this issue ranks #1 in Marvel's stables
>for this year.

I didn't like it.  They just cut right out of the plot.  Maverik goes his own way,
they never told us what happened to Sabr (I'm sure they will later), all
this new stuff they opened up they just completely dropped.  I suppose I should
know better, but it had so much potential, and I feel like I was completely let
down, they started all this stuff and left me wondering, even tho the issue itself
wasn't bad.
Joe


>Daniel Roy,
>of the "Voyageurs Sans Permis"
-- 
Joe Zell               * "Never fear, Duncan. Good will overcome.
zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  * Trust in that.."
                       *   -Sir Locksley, *Robin Hood, Prince of Theives*
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Nigh Invulnerable
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.160610.26965@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.
edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>Sorry, Dave, but Caliban is *also* *Nigh* Invulnerable.  Said so himself in
>a New Mutants issue.  One of the Leifeld.  *ick*
>
>August Paul Yang continues to steal Dave's .sig style

All that shows is that Caliban is invulnerable to Fromage.
     Dave Van Domelen, but I use a comma and you don't....
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From: aelujan@beauty.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan)
Subject: Fantastic Four Spin off?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:24:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: aelujan@beauty.engin.umich.edu


I just read something in the RACM postings about Marvel coming
out with a new FF series?  Is this just a 2099 thing or a regular
series?  If someone could either post or send me the info I would
greatly appreciate it.


thanks

Anthony Lujan
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:20 EST  

I've been to three different comics shops this week and Superman has 
everyone in an uproar.  I have never seen the shops as busy as they have 
been this past week.  The phones were ringing, literally, off the hook.  Two 
of the shops left their phones off the hook for a while just to get some 
peace.  One owner was afraid to run my credit card through, because he would 
have to use his phone line.  Sure enough - *RING.*

I think most people underestimated the impact the media would have on the 
Superman/Doomsday storyline.  All the news coverage has drawn in a LOT of 
non-comics people into the shops.  More than anyone expected I think.  Quite 
a few people said that the Doomsday storyline would be of no speculative 
value; millions of copies of Superman #75 were printed.  It's all supply and 
demand.  Very true, but right now, the demand is much higher than the supply.  
Overnight, the book is already being sold for at least triple cover price.  
People on the net have quoted amounts as high as $25 (I'm in shock).
The "value" of the book may drop within a few months, but right now, the 
entire storyline is making some serious money for the speculators.

The thing that bothers me, and apparently many other netters, the most is 
that the story was substandard rubbish.  I hate to think about how much the 
creators and DC are going to rake in with this little fiasco.  We have 2nd, 
and 3rd printings already, we have a TPB on the way, we have trading cards, 
we have T-shirts, we have limited edition signed and numbered comics ... did 
I miss anything?  On such a high profile project, I would have expected the 
creators to put in a little more effort and to produce something a little 
more worthwhile.

Oh well, watcha gonna do,
 - Wayne.
 =========================================================================
    W     A     Y     N     E     .     A     .     W     O     N     G
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                                                SEWON@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV
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From: geirj@hsr.no (Geir Friestad)
Subject: Collected Omaha # 5
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:38:05 GMT

I'm living in Norway, and specialty comic shops are few and scarce in this
country. Because of this, I have to special order anything out of the ordinary
that I want. Also, writing letters to the comic shops (there aren't any in the
neighbourhood exactly), asking about new releases & stuff can take quite a while.

Therefore, can anybody tell me whether Collected Omaha The Cat Dancer # 5 is
available?

As I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup (though, you'll definitely find me
in rec.arts.anime ;), I'll need to get any answers via e-mail.

Thank you!

       ////////   ///////    ////////   Geir Friestad, Norway
     ///        ///   ///  ///        Internet address for
    ///        ///   ///  ///        the brave ones :
    ////////   ///////    ////////  geirj@hsr.no

Reality is for people who can't face anime / Death to bootleggers!
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:56:11 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Valor #3

Dani Zweig writes...
>No, I haven't dropped it yet, but the ending of this issue may
>have been the last straw.
> 
>The title is very clearly targeted at a young audience -- one
>that can empathize with the portrayal of Valor as a youngster
>who is desperately in love with his [space-going] hotrod.  Within
>those constraints, the writing is amusing -- especially the
>lack of sympathy between Valor and his holographic computer-
>projection.
> 
>THIS ISSUE DIDN'T NEED to end with Valor punching Lobo because
>Lobo insulted his spaceship!  Okay, I can take a hint.  I know
>when I'm not wanted...
 
Yeah, I was pretty shocked at the stupidity of the issue. Mon-el
(Whoops!) I mean Valor spends most of the issue trying to outrun some
space pirates that have ships better than his. When he's finally
cornered, he simply leaves the ship and uses hius own powers to trash
them easily. 

I want to know why the heck he's bothering with a spaceship in the first place.

And I have to agree--Valor punching Lobo because he insulted Valor's
ship? Doesn't Valor remember that Lobo is supposed to be one of the most
dangerous KILLERS in the galaxy? Whatever happened to heroes with great
power remembering the incredible responsiblities that go along with it?
Valor does seem to be regressing in maturity.

If nothing else makes me reluctant to buy the next issue, it's that last
panel blurb promising a "mindless slug-fest we just *had* to call
LOW-BLOW." I'm going to shell out $1.25 for a mindless slugfest?
Pathetic, really pathetic. 

Valor, like Superman, is supposed to be one of the most powerful beings
in the galaxy. How about coming up with storylines that are worthy of
him? 



Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."     
                                                               

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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: Re: Demon #31
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:23:16 EST
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bravo to Mr. David on #401 of the Hulk!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 04:17:54 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <cole.722296753@lea> cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
>albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>>I'm suprised that you didn't mention that PAD may have brought back
>>one of the "never to come back from the dead" characters.
>>SPOILERS

>>Bucky.  At least that's what I thought the whole line from Aggy
>
>Actually, I thought he might have meant he was Hitler (since he
>mentioned that he faked his death).

	Except that Aggy's 'real form' (if it is that) is only 15-16
years old biologically.  (An eternity of being a teenager sends chills 
up my spine.)  Bucky apparantly died, and never resurfaced (could be 
faking the death).
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
Superman's not just dead, he's wrapped in plastic.-Houston Chronicle (11/19/92)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High)
Subject: Re: Ben Dunn is going on the net
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:00:20 GMT



Well, if you want to get technical, Ben's been on the 'net for over a 
  year now, as B.DUNN6 on GEnie.  He's also posted to rec.arts.anime
  via Zone 8 mail - back in February.

Don't expect to see much of Ben here - he *does* have a real business and
  life, after all, and r.a.comics and r.a.anime is just too much to handle
  via a 1200 baud modem and 1-hr limit account.

If I had to guess, you'll probably find Ben on r.a.manga, if anywhere.
  But that's just guessing on my part.

Stay tuned...

  - net.spy! (sometimes-Antarctic Press lackey)

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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Opinions about _The Spectre_
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:46:13 GMT

In article <1e9kmoINNmeh@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>	Oh well, it's not as bad as it could be.  They give his stuff the 
>same chance they gave JSA....
>-- 
	Which, apparently, isn't much of a chance at all.  

Ravi Pillalamarri
P.S.  Help the "Don't cancel GL: Mosaic" effort: write to DC.

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From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: Re: Superman 75 (no spoilers)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:38:36 GMT

Well, at least around the Toronto, Canada area, Superman #75 is out
today (the Wednesday).

Haven't yet opened my bagged copy, but will in a few minutes.

Incidentally, it was strange to see that 2 out of 3 comic shops here
had SOLD OUT of the newsstand version -- the remaining store was 
limiting them to 1 copy per person, whereas the bagged copies were
in abundance with no limit whatsoever.

Has anyone else noticed this in other areas?

Greg

btw, the first and second parters are only going for $4 & $5 Cdn here.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.015601.24988@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> 
> It isn't tough.  The vote stands at 32-6 now.  If the opinion against LNH is
> strong enough, I will raise a formal CFV for a policy change to the r.a.c.m.
> charter.

Umm, I'm sorry, but you can't.  Net regulations.

I'm sure Hades will be more than happy to fill you in on the details, but
the deal is that you first must have a RFD (crossposted to news.groups),
then a CFV a month after that, and then the results of the CFV a month
after.

Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
A "no fanfic" rule?
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: Re: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:35:20 GMT

 Actually in a way, I think this helps the comic market more than it
harms it.   

With the added press coverage, comics are coming back into the 
spotlight.  So what if Superman #75 sucks!  There are plenty of 
other interesting comics which might catch a new reader's fancy
once he enters into the store.  Once the ads get the customers
into the store, it's up to the dealers to sell their stuff...

If there are no more Superman titles left, then why not try
this great Flaming Carrot book??  :-)

It's sad that it takes an overnight-market-value-turnover to 
interest the general public, but hey, once they take that second
look around, they might see that comic books really have changed.

(well, some of them have anyway)

Greg
.

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Shade #31
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:26:56 GMT

"Shade" continues to impress me.  If you've wondered about this comic,
and haven't read it, or at least haven't read it in a while, Shade #31
is a good issue in which to give it a try.  (So was issue #30.)  It's
off-beat, it's literate, the characters are engaging, the art is a
pleasure to see.  (When the title was bogged down in the too-long
"American Scream" storyline, the artwork kept me hooked.) (I'm not
sure Colleen Doran is the right peciller for this, though.)  And it's
still the case that every time I notice the pencilling in a comic
enough to look at the credits, it turns out to be Todd Klein.

This issue is part one of "Ernest and Jim", in which Shade finds
himself in Paris of 1927, mixed up with Ernest Hemingway, James
Joyce, and a Metan agent who is insufficiently philosophical about
having his parts rearranged.

This title has overcome the weakness from which it suffered in its
first year or so:  A title which has weirdness as one of its major
themes gets boring very quickly unless the writing is under almost-
paradoxically tight control.  Lately it *has* been.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"One of my favorite games when I was a kid was 'murder/suicide.'
 Dad would show us a photo and ask us, "Is it a murder or a suicide?"
	  --  Colleen Doran




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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Peter Parker's Folks: Dead.... or Alive?  (Oh Hell, this is Marv
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:35:09 EST
Keywords: spiderman

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
> Since I haven't paid attention to a mainstream Marvel title (with the
> exception of HULK) for several years, I was wondering: have they brought
> Parker's parents back to life (so to speak) recently, or is this An
> Important Upcoming Event?
> 

Well, I haven't been reading SPider-Man either, but I do remember that 
Peter's parents were spies, so if any characters could have appeared to 
have died and not done so, it would make sense that they were deep under 
cover or prisoners of an enemy land all this time.

On the other hand the story may well be really terrible.  I don't approve 
of bringing these particular characters back, as I think Peter *should* 
be an orphan.  IT's so much part of the characters as he was developed.

What's next?  The return of Uncle Ben?

Namaste,
Elizabeth

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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman #75 is Pissing Me Off
Date: 21 Nov 1992 22:00:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Hey, guess what?



Possible spoiler - hit "n" now










Reading through the DC Direct Currents preview my local comics store gives me,
I discovered the most interesting tidbit - in the funeral for a friend series
in Action Comics has Supergirl rip open Supe's coffin - only to find the body
missing!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

(So laughs the man who correctly predicted Superman's return in four months)

Mike C.  (Zen)




-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Superman: latest Doomsday disappointment
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:27:05 GMT

In article <d24H03x6bb4U00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>
>I know that comics are written way in advance, but it is an interesting
>coincidence that soon after all the grumbling around here about why
>Superman didn't just grab Doomsday and fly him into outer space, We get
>a scene of exactly that.  Followed, of course, by yet another amazing
>disappointment.  He just squirms out of Superman's grip, and that's it?
>Superman doesn't even try to get a better grip and do it again, flying
>faster this time?

Doomsday is *incredibly* strong, and it appears that his powers might
have some psychic source as well since he seems resistance to such attacks.
However, if you'd like to get an idea of how tough this can be, go find a 
feral cat somewhere, grab it, and try to hold it over your head for a minute.
You're way stronger than a cat, but I bet that your hands will be a bloody
mess before 10 seconds are up, and the cat will be running away. Even if 
you don't get clawed, you're going to find it hard to keep a firm grip on the
cat.
-- 
John Switzer               | "If you ask me, Larry, the Clinton Presidency
                           | has failed. What has he done? Nothing!"
CompuServe: 74076,1250     | --Dave Barry to Larry King, November 12, 1992
Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | (P.S. Impeach Clinton, support the coup!)