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From: barothwe@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:17:54 GMT
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I wanted to make anyone who is interested aware...

	A local service tech has come up with a really slick circuit
that will add 30 db of gain to your signal!

		o  +30db of PURE GAIN
		o  DOES NOT change your tone

	He builds a kit that is already pre-wired and ready to install in
your guitar. It replaces your existing potentiometer(s). It is an active
circuit that operates on a 9v battery. The pre-wired kit includes:

		o  Potentiometer
		o  Toggle switch (toggles the gain function in and out)
		o  9v battery connector

	The discrete parts other than the three just mentioned are siliconed
to the back of the pot and switch... real nice handiwork.

	He wants to sell the pre-wired kit, ready for you to install for just
$25.00 each (1 required for each pot or you can add this kit and use it as a
master).

	If anyone is interested, email me directly and I'll be glad to put pass
along the particulars.

Later.

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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Re: The Business
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:48:28 GMT

Paco Ojeda (ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu) wrote:
} In article <lisqjeINN1bd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Ed Miller,
} e@mc2.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
} >What's that Fripp quote?
} >
} >"The primary aim of the Musician is Music. The primary
} >aim of the Professional Musician is Business."
} 
} Who/what is Fripp?
} 
} Paco

Robert Fripp, the guitarist. Formerly of the band King Crimson. He is
now know for his school of thought (and guitar playing) known as "Guitar
Craft." He is also know for the highly cerebral and often rather pompous
verbiage.

--
Harris Wulfson
hjwulfson@amherst.edu
From: danb@zx.qsp.UUCP (Daniel Benbenisty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Mandolin info requested on instrument style and price negotiating
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:58:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Quality Software Products, LA, CA

Wow, a mando thread!

I'm a guitarist who plays a wide variety of styles.  I just bought a mandolin 
for fun, I'm completely new to the instrument, and I'm wondering if anyone 
out there can recommend any:

	o	music books
	o	playing styles (I'm presently using a pick alone, or
					fingerpicking)

Also, can anyone recommend a pickup?  Bridge (PZM type) vs. magnetic?

Thanks!

>>>===Pan-Handle-Dan===>	danb@qsp.com
Daniel Benbenisty		Guitarist for EARWURM
From: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Dr. Demento?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:15:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) says:

>In article <1992Dec18.033846.16676@netcom.com> fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon  
>(David Fiedler)) writes:
>> jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) writes:
>> 
>> >Does anyone have a mailing address for Dr. Demento? 
>> 
>> Yes, in fact I do.
>> 
>> 
>> Oh! You *wanted* it. OK: PO Box 884, Culver City, CA 90232.
>> -- 
>> David Fiedler       UUCP:{ames,mrspoc,hoptoad}!infopro!david        AIR:  
>N3717R
>> "The future is tekon"     Internet: fiedler@netcom.com or david@infopro.com
>> USMail:InfoPro Systems, PO Box 220 Rescue CA 95672 Phone:916/677-5870  
>FAX:-5873
>
>No. I just wondered if you had it...
>
>(Thanks anyway)
>
>Jay
>jay@ccrma.stanford.edu
>
>
>


Sorry, folks, but that's his old address from when he was syndicated by Westwood
One. I don't have his new one, but there's a demented group on the net
(rec.arts.music.demented?) that should be able to help you out.

He's with a new syndication company, and the broadcast availablity has been in turmoil for a while now.
-- 
 Joe Ellis  o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~    |     TesserAct Studios
     Internet:   usr6184a@cbos.uc.edu       |       P.O. Box 18577
        GEnie:   J.ELLIS22                  |     Fairfield, OH 45018
    All filked up and no place to sing!     |   New Dimensions In Filk!
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson)
Subject: Re: Micing a grand piano
Reply-To: bereson@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:12:11 GMT

In article <3132@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, phil@mpd.tandem.com (Phil Webster) writes:
|> I have recently observed several situations where a grand piano has
|> been mic'ed using a boom microphone stand and positioning the mic
|> over the center of the soundboard.  The piano lid was at the "half
|> mast" setting, rather than fully open.
|> 
|> I this the recommended position for either recording or performance
|> situations?
|> 
|> Also, which model/manufacturer of microphone is best for this?  Are
|> condenser mics better than dynamic mics in this situation?
|> 
|> Phil Webster
|>   Internet: phil@mpd.tandem.com   Pony Express: Tandem Computers
|>   Guardian: webster_phil@austin                 14231 Tandem Blvd.
|>   Voice:    (512)244-8138                       Austin, TX  78728

Hmmm, I imagine, one mic close to the piano is suboptimal.  After all
the piano is huge, and the entire intrument is envolved in making the
sound.

I recently took a recording class, and learned of two good options.  If
you need to close mic the piano (perhaps lots of other instruments are
in the same room) then use two condenser mics, one over the high strings
and one over the low mid strings under the top, half opened.  The closer
you place the mics to the hammers, the more attack you will pick up.
This is imperfect, but will get a more ballanced representation of all
the high and low harmonics produced by the pinao.

The best option seemed to be.  get the piano in a really sweet sounding
hall, place the mic roughly, 8-10 feet above the floor, and about that
far from the piano.  Adjust the amount of reverb by moving teh mic
closer or farther from teh instrument.  This will get the whole, natural
sound of teh instrument, the way it is meant to be heard (this could
also be done using a stereo mic , or X-Y configuration, for stereo
sound).

A cheap alternative, I've heard of is to tape cheap PZM microphnes (from
radio shack) to the soundboard (bottom) of the piano, or to the inside
of the lid, or both.

Good luck

-- 
Andy Bereson           bereson@cs.uiuc.edu          (217)244-3617

  "Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions have a pathetic
but praiseworthy tendency to die before reproducing their kind" -Quine
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:11466 rec.music.makers.guitar:909
From: dcousins@bbn.com (Dave Cousins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Info/Opinions about Roland GR50 or GR1 Guitar synth:
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:31:33 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Looking to upgrade from a Kramer Pitchrider II,

Can either of these:

edit/download patches via MIDI, (have a midi in).

Have built in chorus and or delay (max delay >= 1 sec).

have drum machine /accompanyment sequencer.

Accept continuous controller inputs. 

These are just general questions, any overall impressions/likes/dislikes
are also welcome.

Dave Cousins
reply via email
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: peishuh@okeeffe.ecn.purdue.edu (Pei-Shuh F Wang)
Subject: Music Equipments for sale
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:36:16 GMT


I have these for sale, in good condition
1. Boss GE-7 Equalizer, with new battery,with level control, has
   built amp, 100Hz, 200 Hz, 400 Hz, 800 Hz, 1.6K, 3.2K, 6.4K bands,
   +15dB to -15dB control. $40
2. Yamaha KS-10 Keyboard speaker, 20W, 4" speaker, has tone and level control.
   Good bass, $40 each.
3. Fostex X-26 4 track recorder, 6 inputs, 2 mic-line selectable, many
   different RCA outputs, LED multi-color VU meter, DOLBY system, normal
   speed, pitch control.... many fuction. This unit has seen very few use.
   comes with an original tape cleaning kit and original box, manuals.
   $210
Please email or call if interested, prices are negotiable.
 
peishuh@ecn.purdue.edu
(317) 743-1734 Percy
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: birkelan@atelm.sps.mot.com (Joel Birkeland)
Subject: Re: Mandolin info requested on instrument style and price negotiating
Reply-To: birkelan@atelm.sps.mot.com (Joel Birkeland)
Organization: SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:20:17 GMT

In article <5905@maserati.qsp.UUCP>, danb@zx.qsp.UUCP (Daniel
Benbenisty) writes:
> Wow, a mando thread!
> 
> I'm a guitarist who plays a wide variety of styles.  I just bought a
mandolin 
> for fun, I'm completely new to the instrument, and I'm wondering if anyone 
> out there can recommend any:
> 
> 	o	music books
> 	o	playing styles (I'm presently using a pick alone, or
> 					fingerpicking)

The best source for any information on the mandolin is the Mandocrucian's
Digest, a quarterly (more or less) newspaper that covers all types
of mandolin playing.  It is available from

		Mandocrucian's Digest
		P.O. Box 3585
		Winchester, VA  22604

and costs $12 per year.  Niles Hokannen, who edits it, also has a bunch of
instruction methods which are excellent.

Other than that, I like the Jethro Burns books put out by Mel Bay, and
also The Tiny Moore Mandolin Method, if you can find it (it is out of
print).

Good Luck in your mandolin endeavors.

Joel Birkeland
birkelan@cs1.sps.mot.com		

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: japel@bambi.cecer.army.mil (Edward J. Japel)
Subject: For Sale: YAMAHA 4115 Speakers
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: USACERL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:54:21 GMT

I have 2 YAMAHA 4115 Speakers for sale.... (15 inch w/ horn) / wheels
Price: $450 obo for the pair....


Ed Japel (USACERL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: steve@imix.Cyanamid.COM (steve campbell)
Subject: Laryngitis
Reply-To: steve@imix.Cyanamid.COM
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:36:26 GMT


Anyone out there suffered from laryngitis?  Any experiences to share about
how to get over it?  Home remedies?  Vocal exercises?  How long does it 
take to get over?  

Thanks

Steve :)

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: pms26964@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Scopes)
Subject: Re: Question on mixing down a recording!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:45:52 GMT

I use a Tascam Porta-05 4-track and I mix down to a $100 boom box.  I get
decent results, but I found that I have to "overdrive" the output (i.e. 
run the meters to the max) to get enough volume, even though the 4-track
manual recommends that the overall buss levels should be at the 0dB mark.


-- 
* Phil Scopes (pms26964@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
* University of Illinois
* Champaign/Urbana
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: Vocal Exercises...
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:41:30 GMT


Please reply to the net. I'd bet a lot of people would be interested.

   
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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Wedding band query (Chicago area)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: il
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:04:06 GMT


	A little over a year ago, I talked to someone about
	joining a wedding band. The band played 60's-70's rock
	stuff, wore tuxedos, and had a pre-planned stage show.

	Unfortunately, I've lost his address/phone number.

	Well, now I'm looking for a wedding band (for next august)
	and would like to book this band. I know they do a 
	lake michigan "cruise" party every year, but that's
	about all I remember about them.

	If you know this band, or are a member of this band,
	Please contact me ASAP!

	Also, the person I talked to was an AT&T employee.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zip   Steelers in 92!          | Illinois Basketball: More three point 
      Bubby's Back!!!!         | shooters than you can shake a stick at!
"I didn't lose, the Team lost" - Coach
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: mpotter@stsci.edu (Mike Potter)
Subject: My Band Needs Insurance!
Keywords: ?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:29:07 GMT



	My band has recently come to the realization that most if not all of
our equipment is uninsured.  I know this question has come up before - how
and where do we get insurance which will cover our instruments and sound
gear, both at our rehearsal space and at gigs (and traveling to and from).
I've talked with the Allstate folks (with whom I have my homeowner's
coverage) and they can only cover my saxophone (at $6.50/$100 per year!)
and can do nothing for the sound board/amps/speakers and so on.  I guess that
part of the problem is that they consider this a money making venture - a 
business - even though the most we've ever made at a gig is $75.  

	Thanks in advance for any and all help!

	Mike Potter
	mpotter@stsci.edu
	(410) 338-4924
From: rons@quads.uchicago.edu (Josh Ronsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Russolo's Noise Machines
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: rons@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


        Does anybody have any information on the Noise Machines of the
Futurist Russolo outside of his book "The Art of Noises"? Info leading
to recordings, schematics, diagrams, et cetera would be greatly
appreciated.

        Thanks,

        Josh Ronsen
        rons@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Re: Mandolin info requested on instrument style and price negotiating
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:38:25 GMT

A few weeks ago, I played a Gibson F-5 Lloyd Loar that Mandolin Bros.
happened to have. Now I see why people want them. Price: $30,000

BTW, I bought my mandolin there five years ago and they are very good to
do business with. I got a Flatiron Army-Navy style (3M - the good model)
mandolin, which I've found to be a very good all-purpose and (relatively)
inexpensive mandolin. I use a Barcus Berry Hot Dot clone pickup, but I'm
thinking of switching to a magnetic.

I'm interested in hering from other mandolin players out there on the net.
What styles do you play? What players do you listen to? etc...


--
Harris Wulfson
hjwulfson@amherst.edu
From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Soak -OR- Red Box -OR- ???...
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:32:31 GMT
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Organization: ASO IM operations


Get a red box and forget about hte power soak, power soaks are bad for the
health of tube amps.

I've been using my red box taking a send from my intellifex (post preamp) and
running direct into my 688 with great results, the other guitar player in
my band is using his red box on the speaker outputs and is also getting
great results.

--
/dave

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From: larry@bach.udel.edu (Larry Larraga)
Subject: FOR SALE: Teac 3340S 4-Track Reel Recorder
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:38:42 GMT

========================================================
For Sale: TEAC 3340S 4-Track Reel to Reel Audio Recorder
========================================================

10.5" reel, 1/4" tape analog multi-track (simul-sync, remember?) 
   audio recorder.
Very good condition, very few hours.
Remote control included.

Asking $395 or best offer.

Posted for a friend.
Do not respond/reply to this account.
Call Craig Wolf at (302) 836-8920

-- 
Larry Larraga	University of Delaware Microcomputing Resource Center
Senior Analyst	040 Smith Hall  Newark, Delaware  19716  (302) 831-8895
Internet:  	larry@brahms.udel.edu
From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Looking for opinions on Seagull and Guild guitars
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:30:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: euclid.uoregon.edu


In my experience, Guilds are superb guitars in terms of quality, though I
don't like their sound so much.  But that's just me.

The one Seagull guitar I'm familiar with is rather nice---big warm sound,
and very playable once you get used to a slightly odd-feeling neck.  I've
heard others say, though, that the workmanship is kind of shoddy---it
wasn't obvious to me, but I don't know much about guitar making.  $500
sounds kind of steep, though---for that price you could probably find a
used Martin or Taylor!

You might look at used Gibsons, too.  They're often to be had fairly
cheaply (my J-40 was under $300) and sound great.

	NT
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: vocal exercises...
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:13:30 EST

Don't go for range or strength too brute-force/direct; find the pitch,
loudness and vowels which give you the best chance at a good sound; then
extend gradually.

Elliott Chapin
---
  DeLuxe 1.12 #4315  elliott.chapin@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: darrin@engin.umich.edu (Darrin P Cardani)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Dr. Demento?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:20:25 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1gtbh1INNkd1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) says:
>
>>In article <1992Dec18.033846.16676@netcom.com> fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon  
>>(David Fiedler)) writes:
>>> jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) writes:
>>> 
>>> >Does anyone have a mailing address for Dr. Demento? 
>>> Oh! You *wanted* it. OK: PO Box 884, Culver City, CA 90232.
>>No. I just wondered if you had it...
>>(Thanks anyway)
>>Jay
>Sorry, folks, but that's his old address from when he was syndicated by Westwood
>One. I don't have his new one, but there's a demented group on the net
>(rec.arts.music.demented?) that should be able to help you out.
>
>He's with a new syndication company, and the broadcast availablity has been in turmoil for a while now.
>-- 
> Joe Ellis  o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~    |     TesserAct Studios
>     Internet:   usr6184a@cbos.uc.edu       |       P.O. Box 18577
>        GEnie:   J.ELLIS22                  |     Fairfield, OH 45018
>    All filked up and no place to sing!     |   New Dimensions In Filk!


The group is rec.music.dementia. They (we) will be more than happy to help you.

						Darrin Cardani
(If you don't get it there, drop me a line and I'll e-mail the info to you.)
darrin@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Subject: Drum Triggers
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:54:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

 	I thing a heel/toe trigger thingy would be cool.  Maybe a center pivot
with triggers on both sides?
			
			--------------

			  T   ^    T

	Lame artwork, eh?

	I'm interested in hearing what people have built for triggering.
I just bought a drumKAT and the second thing I did was build a plexi
cymbal for it.  The trigger is a half-moon piezo mounted on the little
donut insulator thing (what do you call them?) with a jack attached to the
bottom.   Works great.  If I hit the cymbal boom I get low-velocity triggers
but that's ok because the Kat can cut down any interaction down to nil (My D4 
can too).

	Anyway, the thing resonates a tad too much, and a real good middle of
the stick hit makes it go nuts (not trigger wise though.  Just in terms of
mechanical vibration).  So I'm going to try various forms of damping.

	Looks great too.

	My next project is a "SPike"-type trigger.


			Ken

-- 
Ken F Morton
kmorton@panix.com		"Good Tea, Nice house." -Worf
From: barothwe@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:17:05 GMT
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I wanted to make anyone who is interested aware...

	A local service tech has come up with a really slick circuit
that will add 30 db of gain to your signal!

		o  +30db og PURE GAIN
		o  DOES NOT change your tone

	He builds a kit that is already pre-wired and ready to install in
your guitar. It replaces your existing potentiometer(s). It is an active
circuit that operates on a 9v battery. The pre-wired kit includes:

		o  Potentiometer
		o  Toggle switch (toggles the gain function in and out)
		o  9v battery connector

	The discrete parts other than the three just mentioned are siliconed
to the back of the pot and switch... real nice handiwork.

	He wants to sell the pre-wired kit, ready for you to install for just
$25.00 each (1 required for each pot or you can add this kit and use it as a
master).

	If anyone is interested, email me directly and I'll be glad to put pass
along the particulars.

Later.

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  Bruce Rothwell                            \ /~~~~~~\     Opinions expressed
  barothwe@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell.com         X        )    are mine, but they
  Rockwell Int'l - CCA                      / \______/     might be shared by 
  Cedar Rapids, IA 	                                        multitudes !!
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