From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:17:46 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec29.052608.22629@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.104922.684@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.050119.13835@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>>> In article <BzMF1E.L9o@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>>>>In article 5444@midway.uchicago.edu, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>Nonsense. Fischer wasn't indicted for playing chess, but for doing business.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not going to bother pointing out how ridiculous this is.
>>>>(Hmmm...guess I just did.)  What makes it all the more ridiuclous is
>>>>that it's true.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Unless you explain WHY it is `ridiculous', I must point out that your comment
>>> is precisely such.
>>> 
>>> 	Sven
>>> 
>>
>>Let me help.
>>
>>It is 'ridiculous' because it is a limit on one's work/art/love. Christ.
> 
> Gee. Let's say I smuggle cocaine for living. Or run a teen brothel. And then 
> some government pops up and limits my work! How ridiculous!

More absurd comparisons people. Notice that Sven has, once more, forgotten that
these acts are illegal in the US. Notice how he is unable to address REAL
comparisons. Notice how he thinks that teen prostitution and playing chess are
somehow similar acts?

Sven, playing Chess is not illegal here. And, if some governemnt makes it
illegal, would that be a just law?

Yes or no?

And, since not even your limited reasoning abilities could bring you to believe
that it would be a just law, why did you make to comparisons. MOST of us agree
that cocaine and teen prostitution are bad things. Many of us agree that
playing chess is a good thing to be able to do.

What kind of braindamage has happened to you to make you think the two are
comprable?


> 
> Or say my art is making child pornography movies. And I am the best in the
> world at that. Until some ridiculous FBI clowns lock me up, limiting my art.

Kidde porn = playing chess in Yugoland. Sven said it first!

> 
> Or I love this actress so much that in order to show her my love I shoot the
> President. And instead of praising my love, this ridiculous judge limits it,
> putting me in a madhouse...

Shooting a president = playing chess in Yugoland. Sven said it first!

> 
> Yeah, limits on one's work/art/love are sooo ridiculous!

Sven, this is going to be very difficult for you,and I apologize for it. But,
you are leaving something out of your arguments, and that item is 'common
sense'. See, what we as humans must do when thinking things through is not act
like act like a Liza program and do the following.

1. Art is good.
2. Kiddie pornographers consider kiddie porn art.
3. Kiddie porn is good.

MOST of us have built in abilities to stop and include step

2A. It doesn't matter what kiddie pornographers comsider, onyl an idiot or
moron would make such an association.

PLEASE try not to go into the absurd when arguing. Include some common sense.


> 
>>If an American were to write a book of poems entitled--
>>
>>"Suffering of the Serbs" (or whatever ethnic group you fill in) and sold
>>copies of it outside of the FS match, would the State department be calling
>>for blood? 
> 
> No, unless the publisher is Serbian. (I assume `calling for blood' was a figure
> of speech...)

So if I, as an American would be able to sell said book (which is conducting
business!) without fear of ten years of prison, why should the State Department
go after Fischer?

Because he spat on an order?

Oh, spitting on state department orders is the REAL crime he committed.



> 
>>Tell us Sven, would you be as in favor of locking them up?
> 
> Whom? The State Department?  ;-)
> 
>>
>>And, if not, please explain how what that person did would be any different
>>than what Fischer did.
> 
> No business with Serbia. I rest my case.

Uh Sven, the example had the book being sold right outside the match.

What is the difference?

> 
> 	Sven
>