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From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Toronto 9-1-1
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:11:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> DB>{The Toronto Star} reports that Bell Canada has applied to bring 911
>  DB>service throughout Ontario (and not just certain municipalities
> that
>  
>  CE> Make sure they get the E911.  That is when they call 911, there
>  CE> name, address, phone is displayed to the dispatcher.  I work at a

<explanation of the E in E9-1-1 deleted>

  And, as luck would have it, Metro Toronto has had E9-1-1 since, oh, 1979
or so.  Yes, 1979.  No doubt the rest of the Province (of Ontario) will
get the same thing. 

  As I recall, Metro's system has all the options, too.  ANI/ALI, force
disconnect, automatic reconnect, etc. 

  BTW, contrary to the report on CNN last week, the first 9-1-1 system was
not in Alabama, but Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.  It went on line in 1967. 
Yes, 1967. 


Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1|"Finally: one of our guys is    |plaws@uafhp.uark.edu 
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| driving the car"--Dennis Miller|plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: Doug.Plaza@f413.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Plaza)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: no docs for NYC EMS
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:45:00 -0800

JWM>Down in NYC, they are allowed to call in to medical control and
request
JWM>permission to release patients whom they feel do not need to go to
the
JWM>hospital or do not require ambulance transport.  My understanding is
this
JWM>practice is in place to help reduce over crowding and to get units
back in
JWM>service quickly in an overloaded system to take care of the
emergency calls

JWM>Does any other system use this practice?

I work as a fulltime paramedic for Community Medical Center in Ocean
County NJ; in NJ all pre-hospital ALS is provided by hospital based
systems.  Our units are non-transport which means we are dispatched
along with local volunteer BLS units, who provide transport.  We are
dispatched through the sheriffs dept. which receives requests from the
local municipalities.  Unfortunately this puts us in the position of
having only "educational" control over when we are dispatched.  The
towns have a dispatch protocol which they are supposed to follow for
the
judgement of ALS necessity for a perticular call.  Many of the towns
don't pay the kind of salaries needed to attract quality dispatchers,
this doesn't mean there aren't alot of good dispatchers but there
aren't
as many properly trained dispatchers as there should be.  Because of
this lack of training many dispatchers don't ask the proper questions
or
don't know the questions to ask.  Some of the towns take offense at
offers of education because "they KNOW what they are doing", and "who
are we to tell them how to dispatch".  This all leads us to
un-necessary
dispatches.  We handle 10,000+ ALS dispatches a year.
     We have a "release to BLS" policy which allows the paramedics to
release some patients to BLS without contacting medical control but
requires contact of medical control on certain cases.  Any patient with
a complaint of chest pain, SOB of any nature, etc. must be called in to
medical control for physician release.  The "industrial accident"
resulting in a cut finger can be triaged to BLS without contacting
medical control.  The BLS units can cancel our ALS unit if they arrive
before us, access the patient, and feel ALS is not required, but some
give you the "since you are here why don't you check them out" routine.
Any patient which is released to BLS must have a complete run form
filled out and all paramedic releases to BLS without contacting medical
control are reviewed by the medical director; in other words there is
more paperwork required of a release to BLS then there is an ALS treat.
Basically anything that could possibly be questionable, we call into
medical control and let the physician take the responsibility of
releasing the patient.
                                   Doug Plaza MICP

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From: Jim.Henthorn@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Henthorn)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Shift Scheduler Lives
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:39:02 -0800

On 01-16-93, Don Burton said to John Blackard and I quote:

DB>  Thanks for the info regarding the updated Shift Schedular calendar
DB>program, I will be looking forward to receiving them.  As before the
DB>program will be available here at Sparky's for those that may want
to
DB>file request it.  Seems as if someone out there tried the old
version
DB>and it wouldn't work for them, maybe the new version will.  Thanks
DB>again John for the update.

I'd also like it.  Can you post the F'req name fpr me?  Thanks.

                                -Jim-

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From: David.Stark@f322.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (David Stark)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Time till mutual aid
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:58:00 -0800

 > From: jung@base.bellcore.com (Eric Jung)

 > Yikes!  The volunteer EMS squads in my township have seven minutes
to
 > respond before the dipatcher puts out a second request.  After a
total
 > of 10 minutes, mutual aid is dispatched.  And it does happen

 > I'm curious what standards other towns set.  Anyone?

    Standards within Monroe County (NY) vary depending on whether the
local ambulance base has a dispatcher or not.  Corps' that are
dispatched by 9-1-1 have arranged for a repeat of their own tones after
3 minutes if there is no acknowledgement, followed by dispatch of
pre-designated mutual aid after another 2 minutes.

    Squads with an in-house dispatcher will either wait longer for their
crew after acknowledgement or call for mutual aid immediately when they
clearly cannot cover the call (rig already out of service, etc).

    Interestingly, the Monroe County 9-1-1 dispatchers cannot mutual aid
a call for an ambulance company without their permission and must use
their choice of mutual aid.  This is true even if a squad with 2
ambulances has just been given two calls and is about to receive a
third.  Some squads have made special agreements to cover such
situations, but there is basically too much "provincialism" among the
volunteer agencies for automatic mutual aid to be designated by
downtown.

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From: John.Linko@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Linko)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Time till mutual aid
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:00:44 -0800

In my all-volunteer service we have 2 pages over three minutes to secure

a pre-set crew configuration. If this is not accomplished, mutual aid is

dispatched. BTW, PA law states that the closest mutual aid must be 
dispatched if the home service cannot get an ambulance ENROUTE within 10

minutes. Not just get a crew, but get the truck out the door. JL


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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: gorwood@crl.com (William L. Gorwood)
Subject: WANTED:  Motorola Mobile, 155 meg range
Keywords: Motorola, Radio
Organization: CR Labs - Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:16:02 GMT

WANTED:  Used and CHEAP Motorola mobile, 155 meg range, programable, and
atleast 10 channels.  Let me know.  gorwood@crl.com
From: Glen.Strecker@f2.n390.z1.fidonet.org (Glen Strecker)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Washer for Turnouts
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:18:44 -0800

    With the new OSHA regulations requiring fire turnouts to be washed
after handling accident and fire victims, my department is in the market
for a washing machine for the job.  There are several out on the market,
so I have been asked to see if anyone out on the net has any
recommendations.  

    If you use a certain machine, please drop me a note here or netmail
at 1:390/2.  We would be interested in hearing about any problems you've
had in this regard also.  Thanks.

                                        Glen Strecker

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From: Thomas.Pellowski@f69.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Thomas Pellowski)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: In search of
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:19:00 -0800

I am trying to find out where a friend of mine is right now...she was
with the Cambridge, Mass Fire/Rescue Dept a while back. Last I heard she
was going to go to Flight Medic school and that the last I know about
it...her name is Regina Franchi...she was/is a Firefighter/EMT with the
Cambridge Fire Dept.
If anyone knows where she is and how I can get in touch with her it
would be much appreciated...
                                            Thanks in advance
                                              Tom Pellowski
                                              Captain
                                              NAS CFR Oceana

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From: Jeffrey.William.myers@f102.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Jeffrey William myers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: NO DOCS FOR NYC EMS
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:07:00 -0800


jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>In article <Pine.3.05.9301222117.A18490-c100000@sun.panix.com>
dannyb@PANIX.COM (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>>Richard Gutwirth: Many people will end up going to the hospital that
don't
>>need to go to the hospital, because the ultimate authority not to
take
>>them rests here in telemetry.  So what will happen is that we'll be
>>transporting someone who does not need (to go to the hosital, and
while
>>we're doing this) a cardiac arrest will occur, and (we won't be there
to
>>help).

>Huh? How is it possible in New York for a paramedic to take someone to
the
>hospital that doesn't want to go? Do they have the authority to arrest
the
>patient, or do they simply have immunity from kidnapping laws

Down in NYC, they are allowed to call in to medical control and request
permission to release patients whom they feel do not need to go to the
hospital or do not require ambulance transport.  My understanding is
this
practice is in place to help reduce over crowding and to get units back
in
service quickly in an overloaded system to take care of the emergency
calls.

Does any other system use this practice?

Jeff Myers
NYS AEMT-Intermediate

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From: STUECRWN@EKU.BITNET (Madison County Fire Dept. You Light 'Em We Fight 'Em!)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Frequencies
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:32:35 GMT
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Hello All.
  I'm looking for some information on Radio Frequencies for Fire, EMS, and
Police Departments in certain areas. I'm going to be traveling from Richmond
Kentucky to Greenport Long Island, New York. I was looking for some frequencies
for Washington DC, Baltimore MD, Wilmington DE, Chaleston WV, Huntington WV,
abd some others that you all might think of. I'm also looking for State Police
Frequencies for WV, VA, MD, DE, NJ (and NJ Turnpike), and New York. If anyone
can help me out I'd greatly appreciate it. Please mail me directly to

 STUECRWN@EKU.Bitnet           Thanks in advance!

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From: deglop@huey.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Trivia ??'s on PA & DC services.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:11:42 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.eeap.cwru.edu

In article <1993Jan26.213611.460@netcom.com> davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat) writes:

>1) I noticed in the press coverage of the CIA headquarters shooting 
>incident that the large emergency vehicles at the scene had someting
>that looked like a large pinweel mounted on the front. What is this for?
>I've never seen anything like it in California. Is it for cooling the engine?

Interesting guess!  I suppose the news didn't quite show that the ends of
the spokes of the wheel light up; it's a warning light.  In use, the lights
are steadily lit, and the wheel spins quite fast, giving the efffect of a
circle of light.  I don't remember the exact brand name or maker. 

>2) Is it true that Congress has paramedics and vehicles on standby for 
>its members at all times and that they are under orders not to get
>ditracted by mere members of the public in distress.?I heard that
>at least one woman died after she was refused services by these 

Not as far as I know.  At times, the President has units reserved for him;
at the pre-Inaugural fuss Sunday, we had a DC Fire BLS _and_ an ALS unit
there as the President's units.  I don't know why he needs both at once... 
Those units were not availale to transport other patients, and since they
were in a secure area, there wasn't a problem with the general public
wandering up to them.  Congress has access to the White House physician's
services, I believe, as well as access to military medical care, if they so
desire. 



-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
"Well as through this life I've rambled I've seen lots of funny men
 Some will rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen." -- Woody Guthrie
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: myersj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeffrey William Myers)
Subject: Re: MAST
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:23:14 GMT

Howard Berkis - CC28 <CC28@IONA.BITNET> writes:

>As I understand it in NYC Protocols as well as NYS BLS/ALS Porotcols
>The use of MAST is being contraindicated with penetrating chest
>trauma (someone correct me if I am wrong please).

>I also heard talk of MAST being removed from the BLS protocol.

>My question is has anybody heard anything of the above, and/or
>what are the MAST protocols in other systems?

Howard,
  At least up here in the REMO region (Albany, Rensselaer, Saratoga, Schenectady, Columbia, and Greene Counties NYS), our Intermediate protocols just changed
to reflect that particular contraindication.  I didn't hear about removing MAST
from the basic level. I know some states (CA for sure) have removed MAST from 
basic level EMT

Jeff Myers
NYS AEMT-Intermediate
From: James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Toronto 911 (fyi)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:04:06 -0800

DB>{The Toronto Star} reports that Bell Canada has applied to bring 911
 DB>service throughout Ontario (and not just certain municipalities
that
 
 CE> Make sure they get the E911.  That is when they call 911, there
 CE> name, address, phone is displayed to the dispatcher.  I work at a
 
      Enhanced 911 is the best, all the information shows up on a
screen
      right in front of the dispatcher.
 
      This system cuts down on 911 hang up calls, dispatchers know
      exactly where you're calling from.
 
 ---
    SMRead 3.0  #?    
 
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From: Richard.Edwards@f108.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Edwards)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Osha Regs. A Question
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:37:57 -0800

DM>For what its worth I was talking with with folks in Maine this week
re
DM>OSHA and volunterr departments :-). they offered the comment that
DM>departments with mutual aid arrangements with volunteer departments
that
DM>don't have OSHA compliance can be in for a nasty surprise from
OSHA...
DM>your OSHA peformance can be hit if they do "dumb" things such as
entering
DM>a toxic spill area without PPE and you are there with them..<g>..
DM>73s

I would be very interested to know more about this. Is this if we a
called into their district or if we call them into ours or does it work
both ways. Also what can the consequences be concerning this. I hope
this doesn't open up a can of worms but this is the first time that I
have heard of this. I was under the impression that we were only liable
if the mutual aid companies were in our district. Any other information
would be greatly appreciated. I know my department is in compliance but
I am not sure of the other departments. I will bring this to the
attention of the chief and see what he has to say about this. Again
thanks for the info and anything else you have or could tell me would
be
greatly appreciated.
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From: langford@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Time till mutual aid
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:03:42 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

   <discussion about how long before mutual aid is called>

I am a member of a volunteer rescue squad in Richmond, VA.  The city of
Richmond runs (via a contractor) the ambulance service with city limits, 
except that 2 vol. squads have a part of the city as their "first-due".
We have to meet the same standards as the paid crews: acknowledge the call
in 30 seconds, be in the rig moving within 60, or they page us again.
If we don't get in route in 2 minutes, they dispatch another unit to the call.

Technically, this isn't mutual aid; just working within the system.  It helps
that
  a)  we always have the crew in quarters or on the unit, never at home
      responding POV
  b)  we take great pains to tell the dispatcher when we have a crew and
      when we don't.  If they have not been told we have a crew, they 
      don't page the station!  

In addition, if we don't get to the scene within 9 minutes, we have to 
explain why (but not until later!).  They intend to (and do) run a tight ship.

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: fireman@wam.umd.edu (Aaron Joseph Peterson)
Subject: Re: Trivia ??'s on PA & DC services.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:32:53 GMT


I think that the "pinwheel device" that you are talking about is a roto-ray.
The roto-ray is a device which has three spotlights mounted on it which spins 
around in a circle. Each light has slightly different angle on it. It is a
bit like a kojak light sideways with the reflectors pointing forward. SORTA
If this is the roto-ray, the originals are very old and may be antiques, I have
heard rumors that a company is now making a roto-ray clone, however I haven't
heard or seen any info.
If you think they have funny things mounted on the front, you should hear them.
Many fire engines in the D.C. metro area are running GE Powercall sirens or
modified PA200's, which sound nothing like the Wail, Yelp and Hi-Low we are 
used to. (The GE powercall hasn't been made for many years.)

Lt. Aaron Peterson, FFIII, Hazmat Technician, EMT, etc.
From: Joe.Nicholson@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Nicholson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Monroe County OEC shutdown?!?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:29:00 -0800

On 20 Jan 93  17:02:00, you thus wrote to Michael Sperber:

DS> > If so, it seems kind of funnny to me, to request the public
DS> > not to call 911 unless it is a 'life or death' emergency.
DS>
DS>     It wouldn't seem so funny if you heard some of the garbage
DS> for which people in Rochester normally call 9-1-1.

Same with the freeway emergency boxes out here.  CHP reports more
than half the calls are from lost motorists, wanting to know "where
am I?", or "how to I get to Point A from here?"



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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Personal Messages
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:07:00 -0800

 -=> Quoting Paul Vallone to Blake Bowers <=-

 PV> Hi Blake:
 PV> I'll trade yah a Lanesboro,Fire Patch. And a Advance Cardiac Tech
 PV> Patch,for the patches ,which you have up for trading . 
 PV> Self Address:
 PV> Paul Vallone
 PV> P.o. Box 249
 PV> Lanesboro,Ma 01237

Paul, we saved the info, and will send out patches in about 1 week, so
that we can do all requests at the same time.  When you get ours, send
yours.  
Have fun.  

... Ching-Chung...KABOOM!
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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: REDLIGHTS ON PMV'S IN
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:46:00 -0800

DP>> Unfortunately, Hatzolah is the worst offenders of the rules - they
couldn'
DP>>care less (For the most part from what I've seen) about anyone else
on the
DP>>road with their lights going.  I still to this day can't understand
why
DP>>their members need red lights/sirens.

It's an ego thing with most of them, IMHO. 90% of the "Buff lights"
people use are completely unnecessary.

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From: Carter.Hoffman@f23.n135.z1.fidonet.org (Carter Hoffman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: FOR SALE: MOTOROLA SABER I VHF PORTABLES.
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:04:22 -0800

PLEASE respond back with a phone number to call you at.
also a name , so I know who to ask for.
thanx...
RE : SABER RADIOS AND CHARGER.

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Frequencies
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:43:41 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <TRSNYDER.93Jan27150958@vf0031.mcs.drexel.edu> trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder) writes:
>Note that it is generally illegal to have a scanner in your vehicle that
>can receive police/public service frequencies, usually with an exception
>for Amateur Radio Operators.  The law varies from state to state.

I don't know that I'd say that it's "generally" illegal, just that it often
is. The best thing to do is check each state...before you leave. (Or get a ham
ticket. :-)
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
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From: Mary.Reilly@f223.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Reilly)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: calendars
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:39:36 -0800

Right on Steve. That's the one!
  
I'd really appreaciate any infromation you could get especially about
the cost. Last year when I requested one it was sent with no bill. Very
nice of them I think. But I would like to make it up to them this year.

  
I have 50.00 in your currency, which is worth about 31.00 here, but I
have no idea of the cost of things in your area.
  
Hope you're enjoying your leave. Hope it's purely receational.
 
Talk to you soon.
Mary

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