From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:19:46 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan20.175038.29894@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael
Friedman) writes:
>What you mean is that you were talking bullshit.  That's probably why
>you deleted the context.
>
>>>Let's note that this is a statistical argument.  I thought you
>>>objected to statistics.
>
>>I do object to statistics, but what I've seen is reality. Are you afraid to
>>find the truth?
>
>Chad, you objected to my argument because it was statistical.  You
>then presented your own argument... which was statistical.  What it
>looks like to me is that you look at the result of the argument,
>decide if you like it, accept the argument if you like its result, and
>then look for a justification for your decision.

No, Mike I don't want to spend several hours looking in the University library
for useless facts, would you? My point is that there can be statistics for
anything. (Period) And statistics are shaped by the people who give them and
you know it. Bush said, America was winning the war on Drugs, statistically in
suburbs where the drug probablem may not have been as significant, maybe so,
but taking statistics from America, I don't think he could have said that.
Statistics lie.  I see reality, what do you see?
>
>Well, Jews worldwide don't seem to commit suicide over the Holocaust.
>Cambodians don't commit suicide over the Khmer Rouge.  American
>Indians don't commit suicide over the destruction of their own
>cultures.  I think you need a sense of proportion.

I have a sense of proportion, how can you talk? You're the one that sugested
commiting suicide, not me. So check yourself. Since you like statistics so
much, why don't you go find a statistic about the number of suicides commited
by balcks vs. the number commited by whites?

>Nope.  They're right there.  It happens.  It's just rather rare in
>comparison, especially if you eliminate crime against criminals or
>their families.  

I guess it's so rare that there are no statistics and there are no white people
in jail either, right? Mike, be realistic, come back to earth.
>Not true at all.  You can have liberty without money, education,
>health, or a family.  You can also pursue happiness without these,
>although it is tougher.
>
>Also, how the heck can health and a family by rights?  That's totally bizarre.
>>So I can not pursuit happiness without the education I need to get
>>it. 
>Who has denied you an education?

Let's again be realistic, what kind of job are you going to get in your
American dream with no education? Hmmm, let's pause and think?????????
Answer, McDonalds-modern day slavery. $4.60 an hour, before taxes, that's
barely enough to live off of, let alone go to ANY college. No education, no
happiness, no job. Ever heard of a vicious circle? As to who has denied me
education, society. Society and people like you who believe everybody can get
their piece of th America Dream, if they just work hard enough to get it.

>>People who loot, riot, and murder are animals?
>
>Yup.

So, if people are fighting for a cause and the loot, riot, and murder, they are
animals? If this is so, then your government, they way it was estrablished, and
the way it continues to maintain itself is FULL of ANIMALS and they need to be
shot, just as you say.


>Funny, but I am sometimes upset, misdirected, and frustrated.  Somehow
>I have managed to restrain myself from lloting, rioting, and
>murdering.  

But hay, how many times have you been frustated because people won't accept
something you can never change, your complexion?

>Maybe they should.  Personally, I don't steal.

But, I'm sure you're no Saint either!

>>This is another example to temporary 
>>solutions to almost permanent problems.
>
>I don't know.  A permanent policy of shoot to kill against rioters
>might be a pretty effective permanent solution to riots.

Go ahead, kill everybody that steps out of line and believe me, someone will
start to think the same way about you, and eventually kill you too.

>I understnad the reasoning.  It goes something like this.
>"I like X."
>"I do not have enough money to get as much X as I want."
>"Due to the current disorder I can take X without paying and with
>minimal risk."
>"Go for it."

Better yet, how about, I need food, I need money, I can not sustain my family,
my life, or anything with what I have, all others means are exhausted, what
will I do?

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."