HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system

> In fact, now that I think about it...  A perfectly good example is the
> A-line trap.  Apple uses the instructions in the 0xA000-0xAFFF range
> as traps into the Toolbox and OS.  At about the same time, Atari was
> using the F-line traps in the ST.  Atari had to rewrite their OS to
> NOT use F-line traps when the 68030 came out, because they conflicted
> with built in 68030 instructions (for the MMU).  Motorola will not
> touch the A-line traps, though.  That's buying power!  Quantity talks.
> 

I kind of doubt that Apple influenced the A-line/F-line thing.  My old
68K manual, published1979, last reprinted 1984 (before Mac was a power)
says:

"Word patterns with bits 15 through 12 equaling 1010 or 1111 are
distinguished as unimplemented instructions[...]  "Line F" opcodes
beginning with bit patterns equaling 1111 are implemented in the MC68020
as co-processor instructions."

I believe the 020 came out between '82 and '84, 'cause an earlier
revision of the same processor manual never mentions coprocessor in the
quoted text.  [My memory is weak on the sequence.]  So I'd guess the
decision to use F-line for coprocessor opcodes was made near or before
'82 or '83, when the 68881 was on the drawing board, and before the Mac
would have been deciding.  I think Moto just chose F-line, possibly
because the first coprocessor to hit the street was the "F"loating point
processor (the MMU had no associated special-purpose opcodes).  FMUL is
rather descriptive (if you're one of us "bit-bashers").

ScottB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cosc184z@menudo.uh.edu ((COSC148O) 92F00761)
Subject: Re: Suppose Apple does charge for System 7.1...
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:00:24 GMT

	[stuff about pirating System 7.1 deleted]

>> At Ohio State, there's at least one department where they insist on
>> buying their anti-virus utilities; when I mentioned Disinfectant, all I
>> got was a closed-minded "Oh, no, we don't dare use anything that's
>> freely available.  It can't be any good."
>
>	What really gets me are the people who insist on using SAM because
>it's a commercially available product (and thus inherently superior to
>Disinfectant), but who are too cheap to pay for it, so they are running
>pirated copies (which, of course, means they don't get the updates).  It's
>amazing, give people a chance, and they'll find a way to be both stupid and
>dishonest at the same time!

Speak of the devil....

s3007904@MACKAY.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU writes:

>        I am having problems trying to figure out how to work SAM
>the mac virus detecter. I am looking for a manual or some documentation
>so I can figure out how to use I properly. Can some one Tell me were I
>can email for the proper documentation. I can't seem to find my
>documentation.

Disinfectant works for me!!!  (as well as SAM :-)

David Alten
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From: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 6.0.8L?
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:57:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu

Hi. I have a colleague here who recent read the column in 
MacWeek (10.05.92) which mentions System 6.0.8L which will
run on the PowerBook 100 and the Classic II and LCII.

I had gotten a little bit of a clue on this with a similar
question here about a month ago, but things now seem a 
bit firmer.  Does anyone know where one might find this
(local campus bookstore  here at our HEPP site profess no
knowledge (big suprise!)).

THANKS


 - Bob Wier

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Source for System 6.0.8L
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:31:27 GMT

..meaning somewhere I can get it, not the source code!!

Tim
From: davey@ux5.lbl.gov (davey hudson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Mac Portable Upgrades
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:01:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov

Hi 

Does anyone know of a source of cheap RAM for the
Portable? (NOT POWERBOOK) The cheapest I've found
is 4MB for $499 from Computer Care.

Is there a way to connect an external monitor?

Any other info about upgrades is appreciated!

Thanks,
Davey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: nasadk@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:54:39 GMT

In article <7497@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes:
|> 
|> >We have a IIfx with systems 7.0.1 and 12 Meg of memory.  The Finder indicates
|> >that there is 12 Meg of memory installed, but it tells us that the 'largest
|> >unused block' is 4meg less then what it should be. 

Don't forget, it says "Largest Unused Block", so you COULD have more available
memory, but most likely it is fragmented. However, I tend to agree that such`
a large gap may be due to not having 32 bit addressing on. The computer WILL
recognize more than 8 Meg of RAM. It adds the extra to what the System is 
using. BUT, it cannot access the RAM unless 32 bit addressing is turned on.

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why is my virtual memory broken?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:43:09 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <7672@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, ejbst4+@pitt.edu (Ethan J
Benatan) wrote:
> 
> Dear netters, please help.
> 
> I recently had the hard drive on my PowerBook 170 replaced under
> warranty.  I did a full restore from backup except for the System,
> Finder, Extensions and Control Panels which I reinstalled from scratch
> or copied from the IIfx which has had no problems.  Everything seems
> to work just dandy except that the Memory Control Panel includes no 
> Virtual Memory option! 
> 
> I'd be grateful if anyone could shed any light on why this might be 
> happening.

Try reinstalling the system with the installer.  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smytonj@murr10.alleg.edu (James Smyton)
Subject: Unix on my Mac?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:37:25 GMT

	I go to Allegheny College and we have an incrediblesetup of NeXT  
computers.  The problem is that I own a Mac IIcx and the only Mac the  
college has available for student use is a Classic with system 6.0.7 and  
MacWrite 5. The NeXT is a Unix machine and has a current version of Word  
Perfect.  I would like to be able to run Unix on my machine for some  
limited cross platform use.  I heard that A/UX is not compatible with  
System 7.  What should I use that won't require me to switch systems  
completely?  I have to admit I like my 7.0.1 and would be upset if I had  
to revert to system 6.x. Any suggestions?

--
J S  (smytonj@alleg.edu)

Sometimes ya just gotta grab life by the teeth and yank as hard as you  
can.		-Weird Al
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: te@uwasa.fi (Tuomas Eerola)
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8L - fact or fiction?
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.191131.19985@news.Hawaii.Edu> goldader@akasha.ifa.hawaii.edu (Jeff Goldader) writes:
>In article <73307@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>>ssartori@iat.holonet.net (Steven Sartorius) writes:
>>
>>>In the October 5 MACWEEK, Ric Ford talks about a "stealth" release of
>>>System 6 - 6.0.8L.  [...] Anybody know if this release is fact or 
>>>fiction and (if it does exist) where it can be found???
>>
>>No such release exists on any public server within Apple that I've found,
>>including all the standard software repositories. If they released 6.0.8L,
>>they did it without making it available to Apple employees, which I find
>>exceptionally unlikely. 
>>
>
>The release seems to have occurred everywhere except the US.  People in
>Canada and Australia have it.  Hmm, I wonder why Apple felt people here
>were not worthy?
>
>608L supports not only the 100 but the Classic II & LC II as well.
>Works just fine on the 100.
>
At least in Australia they sold Classic II:s without internal hard disk -
means floppy only version, and sys7 does not fit on one disk too well...

Tuomas

P.S 6.0.7 seems to work fine on PB100, and even 6.0.5 could work.(havent tested)
Just add Portable update for backlight display. PB100 is shrunken MacPortable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: psybeast@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Andy Seymour)
Subject: Re: Finder Prefs Not Saving!!!!!
Originator: psybeast@dracut
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.155911.17212@ncsu.edu> sdtrent@eos.ncsu.edu (SHANE DUDLY TRENT) writes:
> 
> It sounds like your Finder Preferences file got fouled up. Next time you
> should just remove this file from the Preferences folder in the Sys folder
> and restart. You will return to the Finder's default settings but now your
> changes should be retained.
> 
> -shane trent
> 
> 

Thanks for the rply, but I did try that! Even that did not seem to help...
But as of now, the Mac is working fine...

Psy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: Backup of 1GB MacHD unix tapedrive
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:01:56 GMT

schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager) writes:

>olafn@inbit.ibt.unit.no (Olaf F. Normann) writes:

>>I have looked on software called MacDump (which need CAP to run), but

>BTW, if this is the same MacDump as comes from University of Utah, it does
>*not* need CAP to run.

I believe the Utah program is simply called "Dump". There is a CAP
program called Macdump which also does backups. It can be made to go
directly to tape; someone posted mods on comp.protocols.appletalk. You
may want to post there to find out about it.

pr
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Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: LC II with 2 megs memory?
Organization: Mendelson Computer Consulting
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:47:57 GMT

andrewb@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Andrew Bevin) asks:

>Here in New Zealand several Apple Dealers are selling LC's as 2 meg machines.
>
>I assumed that they were selling original LC's, but I checked one out and
>it was labeled as an LC II but the finder (version 6.1? ) reported only
>2 Megs of memory. 
>
>What gives? Is this an LC relabled as an LCII? 

Open the memory control panel. If it allows you to select virtual memory,
then it is probably an LCII.

The only real way to check is to look inside the box. The processor
chip will be a 68030 and there is only one place to plug in a floppy.

If there are 2 floppy ports (one near each drive) and the processor is
a 68020 it is an LC. Also check the explansion slot on the left (
looking from the front). It may have a 68030 processor card in it.

While this gives you most of the functions (if not all) of an LCII, it
is not an LCII.

Also I beleive that and LCII will not boot anything earlier than 7.0.1.


Geoff.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera)
Subject: Thanks for info about "DeskTop Folder" & "Trash Folder"!
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:30:42 GMT

I would like to say thank you for all the person who has sent me a
information about "DeskTop Folder" and "Trash Folder".

Bill Johnston, Catherine Caston, Faisal Nameer Jawdat, Jim Wong,
Larry Rosenstein, Scott I. Chase, and others.

Thank you very much.

Noriaki (noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU)
From: rbriber@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: ZoomBar 2.0
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:46:19 GMT
Organization: NIST

Does anyone have a copy of ZoomBar 2.0?  I had a copy whiched worked
nicely on my machine but it became corrupted.  Now ZoomBar 2.1 is available
at the standard places but causes certain applications on my machine
(noteably GifConverter 2.2.10) to lockup.  If anyone has ZoomBar 2.0
or knows of a site that has it I'd appreciate a copy (by email) or
a note telling me where I can find it.

Thanks,

Rob
rbriber@enh.nist.gov
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 not free?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:35:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1015367.2AD172F5@cmhgate.fidonet.org>,
Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) wrote:
> 
> roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
> 
> RS> Except that Apple recommends, and various people have told 
> RS> me to heed their recommendation, that you don't just drop 
> RS> the tuner file into your extensions folder, but rather you 
> RS> *reformat* your hard disk and completely re-install the system 
> RS> plus the tune up from scratch. Hardly what I'd call being 
> RS> up and running without headaches. Apparantly, some of the 
> RS> bugs in 7.0.1 that the tuneup fixes can leave your hard disk 
> RS> in a damaged state that Disk First Aid can't fix. 
> 
> that's right.  the Tuner is a prophylactic, not a cure.  To cover themselves
> and in the best interests of the user, Apple is suggesting just what you say.

This is total bullshit.  Apple is not suggesting anything of the kind. 
Apple suggests you run Disk First Aid.

I happen to be an Apple employee, but that isn't how I know or why I'm
posting.  I know because I've used the Tuner, and actually found out what
Apple's recommendation was, instead of making it up out of my head or
passing on something I heard someone else say he heard about from his
girlfriend's brother-in-law.  And I'm posting because it really pisses me
off when people are so sloppy and lazy as to post misinformation like this.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:12671 comp.misc:3934
From: sdm7g@aemsun.med.Virginia.EDU (Steven D. Majewski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Why someone would want to e-mail Apple versus calling them
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:07:29 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia
Followup: comp.misc
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo) writes:
>In article <...>, searsk@med.ge.com (Kevin Sears) wrote:
>> Do they respond to email? Does anyone have an internet or applelink address
>> for Customer Service? How about for Sculley?
>Why is it that so many people find it impossible to pick up a phone and
>dial an 800 number?

Senior technical or management people do not answer 800 # phone lines.
Your e-mail ( or paper mail for that matter, but e-mail is more convenient
for ME! ) may have to be filtered through several people before it gets to 
someone who can actually answer the question or do something about the problem
BUT there is at least the chance in a well organized company that written
comments will get to the appropriate person. 

Unless BOTH the company is well organized for handling and tracking calls
AND you ( the caller ) are very persistent and willing to keep calling
until you have exhausted all of the other references they can give you 
and not give up when you hit a few dead ends or phone-mail numbers who
don't return calls, then 800 numbers are useless for anything of a 
technical or policy nature. ( But there still great for placing orders 
or getting the name of your nearest dealer. ) 

From my personal experience, I would grade the "telephone organization" 
( i.e. how well they are able to redirect a call to the appropriate 
  person or department ) of various companies: 

3M  	A

APPLE	B

SONY	Was C-, they have gotten better now: C+ 

MICROSOFT	C

DEC	D  (And nobody ever answers a question without also saying:
		"I shouldn't be telling you this, but..." or somehow
		indicating that it is not their official business to
		help you, but they can't for the life of them figure
		out the organizational chart and tell you who ELSE to ask! )

IBM	F   ( Like DEC, but without someone to say: "I shouldn't be telling
		you this, but ... " )


[ Note that these are TELEPHONE ONLY grades. DEC, for example, is particularly
  BAD on the phone, but an exemplary usenet citizen. ] 



Needless to say, this is a subjective listing based on a small number
of cases. Experiences vary, but still, I would be suprised if someone,
based on their own experiences, inverted the list! Other ratings invited,
but not to comp.mac.system - how about comp.misc ? ( or alt.flames ? ) 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aumantb@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov (Tim Aumann)
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:06:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.153551.16725@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, seaney@engr.wisc.edu
wrote:
> 
> 
> We have a IIfx with systems 7.0.1 and 12 Meg of memory.  The Finder indicates
> that there is 12 Meg of memory installed, but it tells us that the 'largest
> unused block' is 4meg less then what it should be.  Is there some trick to get
> ti to recognize the last 4 Meg.
> 
Another possibility, besides not having 32 bit mode turned on, is that you
put the larger simms in the wrong memory bank. The IIfx has two memory
banks - when you add simms greater than 1 meg, the new simms must go in
bank A, the one closest to the front of the computer. The 1 meg simms
should be in bank B. Also, all of the simms in a bank must be the same size
- all 1 meg or 4 meg, etc.

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My opinions, not anyone else's.

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the impossible has been eliminated the residuum, however improbable, must
contain the truth."    Sherlock Homes in "The Lost Special"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 7.1 uses 300k less ram (true?)
From: timothy@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Tim Bates)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Hi,

I just  got a copy of a local mail order catalogue which starts with
some tips for users. Among these is that 7.1 will use about 300 k less
memory when loaded. Any confirmation or denial of this? 

Surely 300k more free ram would be a boon to at least 30% of the users
out there! may be even enough to envcourage them to go and buy 7.1
from their local unfriendly dealer.

tim bates

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com>
Subject: Re: Suppose Apple does charge for System 7.1...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F87F3AF7031E08@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:49:14 GMT
Organization: Society for Anarchic Totaltarianism
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:49:22 GMT

In article <1ajkhhINNnq5@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Craig Richmond - division,
craig@ec.uwa.oz.au writes:
>Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com> writes:
>
>>I tend to agree. If they had started charging for System 7 on the
outset,
>>that would have been a good time. Or, wait for System 8. It does kinda
>>seem like they're starting in the middle.
>
>It isn't neccesarily a strange time to do this.  Apple wants to go
modualr
>with its operating system and this in my opinion is a good thing in terms
>of the flexibility it provides.  Its shocking in terms of how much they
can
>justify chargin if you want all the bells and whistles, but we have to
live
>with that.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I would gladly pay for the capabilities of
system 7 (or, maybe get Novell to pay :-)). I was at the WWDC, and saw
the OCE stuff and what not. I just think it would have been more
consistent to actually start charging for system 7 back when it first
came out, that's all. Not that I'm against it being free. :-)

--Mel Walker
mwalker@novell.com                                                       
    Disclaimer: My dog ate it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: olafn@inbit.ibt.unit.no (Olaf F. Normann)
Subject: Backup of 1GB MacHD unix tapedrive
Organization: IBT
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:33:36 GMT

Hello netters!

Does anybody know if there exist SW for doing backup of 1GB mac-HD on
a tape drive (exabyte) connected to a sun sparc?

I have looked on software called MacDump (which need CAP to run), but
it stores the backup on the unix disk before it dump's the backup to
tape, and we do not have 1GB free disk space on our sun sparc!
So, does it exist any SW which copy the backup directly from the Mac to 
the unix-connected tape drive.

Please help!

Best regards,
Olaf F. Normann
e-mail olafn@unimed.sintef.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: 870120g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Michael I. Gerrits)
Subject: System 6.0.8 wanted (problems with ftp.apple.com)
Keywords: System 6.0.8
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:34:11 GMT

Hiya, out there.  Yesterday I downloaded System 6.0.8 from ftp.apple.com
from the 800K floppy-sized format. ( I am running a Mac SE without a hard-
drive for a little bit and want the newest of the 'small' system format.)

Anyway, I de-binhexed the file and tried to de-SIT! the file but it was
way over 800K (compared to 700 and some that fits on an 800K floppy). Not
only that, it was stored in some other wierd format (image) which is probably
meant for a hard drive, or something.

Could someone please stuff and binhex the 6.0.8 files (Utilities 1 and 2,
Printer Utilities, and System Untities) so that I can store de-binhexed
and un-stuffed files on 800K disks?

Any help or helpful hints would be appreciated.

Thanks,
M.

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