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From: fez@toz.buffalo.ny.us (the fez)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Michael Pataki...
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:31:14 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616

...has also appeared on the following:

-==Star Trek: The Next Generation in the episode "Too Short a Season" as 
Karnas.

-==Star Trek (TOS) in the classic episode "The Trouble With Tribbles" as 
the Klingon who starts the barroom brawl.

-=="Happy Days" as one of the Malachi brothers in the two-part demolition 
derby episode.

Pataki has also appeared on numerous other TV shows and feature films, 
always in a supporting role or bit part. While I don't have a list of his 
credits, I'm sure that they can be found in the book "The Encyclopedia of 
Film".

The Fez

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From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Subject: Re: A PLUSH NEW TOY!!!!!  (Another one!)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:03:45 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Ed Computing Network
Keywords: Stimpy plush, butt-crack, nose!!!!  NOISE!


Yeah, well...mine farts when you squeeze his tummy! :)

I found the farting Ren and Stimpy dolls at Kay Bee toys for 19.99.

Our local Spencer Gifts has the non-farting, but larger, ones for
25.99.

Also available at Kay Bee are talking ones, even larger yet, and
you pull Stimpy's hairball out of his mouth to make him speak.
I don't remember what you pull on Ren. :)

If your area doesn't have either of these chain stores, I'm sure
another toy store will still have the dolls.

Clint
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From: sjthomas@cup.portal.com (Stephen J Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: new show
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:57:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bz6t9u.ps@acsu.buffalo.edu> <2B2D4543.19358@ics.uci.edu>
  <1992Dec15.172534.20777@news2.cis.umn.edu>

Several folks here have mentioned Nick's claim that one of the reasons
John K was fired was the raunchy character of some of the new episodes.
Well, after reading several interviews that John K had given before he
was sacked where he really rips into Nick. execs, hell, I'd have fired
he too if he was working for me.  Creative genius aside, he was asking
for it!  [I'm not trying to flame-bait here.....and don't bother, I
don't have time to read them].  Read the Film Threat article and you'll
see what I mean. I think episode content was a distant second reason.
 
Of course, I'd try to rehire him the next day, with a few "understandings"
in place.
 
Steve Thomas   sjthomas@cup.portal.com
  I'd sure like to see some new Cmdr Hoek & Cadet Stimpy episodes!
From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: New episode prospects
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:07:52 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
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In article <1gem2eINNlae@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, death@cats.ucsc.edu (The Undertaker) writes:
|> 
|> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
|> 
|> >Ok, Haunted House was only slightly better than mediocre, but what was wrong
|> >with Mad Dog Hoek? I thought it was hilarious!
|> 
|> 	I don't know, I like to idea behind Mad Dog Hoek, but it just
|> seem to me that it was laboring between each funny moment.  I remember
|> when I saw the first season's episodes, I could hardly breath between
|> each eruption of laughter.
|> 
|> 	As for tonite's episodes: "The Big Baby Scam, and "Dog show", I 
|> felt they were rather flat.  Those episodes just seemed almost devoid of 
|> life to me.  I was told that in the original version of Dog Show, they
|> played up George Liquor's "Americanism"  more.  Unless I am mistaken, 
|> they even censored his last name.  Very disappointing...
|>             |                                             
The only thing censored that I noticed was George Liquor's last name.  
Perhaps they censored it because John K retains the trademark to George
Liquor.  I really like Dog Show, but it's really the second part of a
two-part show.  It loses some of its humor without the first part, Man's
Best Friend.  It's kind of like watching The Big Shot without ever seeing
Stimpy's Big Day.

Of course, shitelodeon doesn't care about such things as quality.

|>            /|   /\                  |                  
|> -----^-^-^/ |  /  \-----------^-^-^/| /\-----------^-^-^-----------------
|>             | /                     |/   Horse Haven            Santa Cruz
|> Dr. Death   |/ death@cats.ucsc.edu     Apocalypse Div.          California

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From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Re: New episode prospects

In article <1gem2eINNlae@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, death@cats.ucsc.edu (The Undertaker) writes:
|> 
|> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
|> 
|> >Ok, Haunted House was only slightly better than mediocre, but what was wrong
|> >with Mad Dog Hoek? I thought it was hilarious!
|> 
|> 	I don't know, I like to idea behind Mad Dog Hoek, but it just
|> seem to me that it was laboring between each funny moment.  I remember
|> when I saw the first season's episodes, I could hardly breath between
|> each eruption of laughter.
|> 
|> 	As for tonite's episodes: "The Big Baby Scam, and "Dog show", I 
|> felt they were rather flat.  Those episodes just seemed almost devoid of 
|> life to me.  I was told that in the original version of Dog Show, they
|> played up George Liquor's "Americanism"  more.  Unless I am mistaken, 
|> they even censored his last name.  Very disappointing...
|>             |                                             
The only thing censored that I noticed was George Liquor's last name.  
Perhaps they censored it because John K retains the trademark to George
Liquor.  I really like Dog Show, but it's really the second part of a
two-part show.  It loses some of its humor without the first part, Man's
Best Friend.  It's kind of like watching The Big Shot without ever seeing
Stimpy's Big Day.

Of course, shitelodeon doesn't care about such things as quality.

|>            /|   /\                  |                  
|> -----^-^-^/ |  /  \-----------^-^-^/| /\-----------^-^-^-----------------
|>             | /                     |/   Horse Haven            Santa Cruz
|> Dr. Death   |/ death@cats.ucsc.edu     Apocalypse Div.          California

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: duane@mothra.rose.hp.com (Duane)
Subject: Ren & Stimpy Comics for sale
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:53:12 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Greetings,


           Over priced ... humm ... to have the comics delivered to you by mail
           ... not having to go out in the Elements ... humm!

           One more thing ... where you gonna get one ... here in Northern
           California ... You can't find one anywhere ... I have check 4 comic
           book places ... 2 others had them for $10.00 each.  

           Sounds like you still want all the comic book places across the 
           Country to sell "the death of Superman for cover price" even though
           when buying them back at $7.00 to $9.00.

           Oh! ... but that OK ... The new price guide is coming out in a few 
           days ... and it will be selling for $ 6.00 to $7.00 ... and still
           the comic book stores are selling them for $20.00 and more ... (BUT 
           THE BOOOOOK SAAAAAAID EEEEEEEEEEEEEEET WASSSSSSSSSS $3.50 ...
           FINE GO AND BUY IT FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FIFTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
     
           
           enough said,


           Duane 

           California  Dreaming  of  a Country that promotes Capitalism ... 8)

Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Subject: Re: My New Sig!  (Happy Holidays All!)
Reply-To: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris Van Fleet)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:50:49 GMT

In article <1gqmubINN90v@wintermute.phys.psu.edu> kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.171916.1635@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>>Thanx to people contributing ASCII pictures to my .SIG, I want you all to
>>see my new signature!
>>
>>BTW, I fixed Ren because he had no belly button (which is prevalent on him.)
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>       ____      _____________________________           .    _  .    
>>      /# /_\_   /                             \          |\_|/__/|    
>>     |  |/o\o\  | MOMMA ALWAYS LIKED YOU BEST! |        / / \/ \  \  
>>     |  \\_/_/   \____________________________/        /__|O||O|__ \ 
>>    / |_   |     /                                    |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | 
>>   |  ||\_ ~|  -/                                     | | (____) | ||  
>>   |  ||| \/          Norman "Stimpy" Sippel          \/\___/\__/  // 
>>   |  |||_                                            (_/         ||
>>    \//  |        Alias "Shawn" "Killer Kadoogen"      |          ||
>>     ||  |                                             |          ||\  
>>     ||_  \          Thought To Be Emailed At           \        //_/  
>>     \_|  o|      ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu         \______//
>>     /\___/       ngsippel@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu        __ || __||
>>    /  ||||__     ngsippel@komodo.ham.muohio.edu       (____(____)
>>       (___)_)                                        /***********\
>>
>
>Oh yay.  Double the bandwidth for the same content.
>
>Is it just me, or has Norm's sig driven anyone else bonkers over the past
>few months?
>
>--Ken

Are you reading at 110 baud? Does your news reader not support 'n' or
<space>? 

I may not be the president, I may not be the pope. But as long as
xrn is scrollable, I shall never mope.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: The Real George Liquor Please Stand Up !
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:45:09 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

Ever since I have heard of George Liquor, I wanted to find out who played him. 
I have done some investigating and came to a conclusion.

It's Michael Pataki (or Patacki depending on the credits) !!

He's been on:

Mighty Mouse   as The Cow ("The League Of SuperRodents" "The Adv. Of Bat-Bat")
Ren And Stimpy as George Liquor ("Man's Best Friend" "Dog Show")
Batman: TAS    as The Sewer King (There's just one episode with him)

Additions and corrections are welcomed!

-- 
      .    _  .     ______________________ 
      |\_|/__/|    /                      \   
     / / \/ \  \  /  OH MY BELOVED BAG OF  \      
    /__|O||O|__ \ \  GRITTY KITTY LITTER!  / 
   |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \  ____________________/      
   | | (____) | ||  |/                       
   \/\___/\__/  // _/
   (_/         ||   
    |          ||\    Norman G. Sippel
     \        //_/    alias Norman "Killer Kadoogen" Stimpy
      \______//      
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From: peter@celia.UUCP (Peter Farson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: new show
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:04:40 GMT
Reply-To: celia!peter@usc.edu (Peter Farson)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood


  Yeah, these new shows are so-so, like a few of the old.  The thought that
hits me as I see the latest is that maybe it really was for the best that
John K. was fired.  What he accomplished in the ones he put out are quite
amasing, and I'm sure he could have come up with more amazing stuff in the
Ren & Stimpy format, but now he is free to come up with totally new stuff
that could be far more amazing, and hopefully in a more appropriate channel
for unrestricted "adult" entertainment.  Either some rich, appreciative
patron will fund a totally awesome feature length cartoon (like King
Ludwig funding Richard Wager), or he'll sink into stagnant non-employment
(like Orson Welles) as no producer will dare to hire one with his
reputation (having been fired from "every animation studio in Hollywood").

  Hope and pray!  (I don't have any money!)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 18:53:59 MST
From: <AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Stimpy's breed

Well, he referred to Stimpy as a cornish rex hound because George called
Stimpy "Rex" and thought he was a dog... Forget what he called Ren, but
his name fit his dog breed also...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: New Episodes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:18:46 GMT


In article <7987@news.duke.edu> king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton) writes:

>I must admit, I really don't understand what's going on here...  So,
>Nick fired John K for not getting episodes in under the wire in an
>appropriate form, and yet, now that he's out the door, they show the
>episodes that got him fired in the first place.  Is it just me?  I
>thought I knew what scenes needed to be cut from Dog Show
>(eyeball-spitting, tail-bobbing, and coat-buffing), and yet, they all
>stayed in and other things are cut.

My guess is that after word of John K's firing got out, Nick probably got a
lot of letters from people saying "Oh you EEdeeots!" and saying something
to the effect that the very things Nick found objectionalble were what made
the show so popular.  (At least, that's what my letter said.  I hope all
of you reading this wrote similar letters.)

As a result, the Nick executroids are now probably feeling a bit
schizophrenic: they *want* to be bunged-up Jerry Falwell wannabes, but
it's been made clear to them that that's not what their audience likes.
Therefore, they're backing off from some of their earlier censorship choices
but are exercising their power of censorship in other nonsensical places,
so they can feel like they're doing *something* to stem the tide of godless,
anarchistic, tastelessness-as-a-religion-promoting, subversive (oh yeah,
and *funny*) animation that they believe is polluting and undermining the
minds of the American populace.  (Hurray for the mental polution of the
American populace!  Up with undermining!)

Just a theory.  Any comments?

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From: eric@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric van Bezooijen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: new show
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:38:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec13.165859.17469@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>In article <Bz6t9u.ps@acsu.buffalo.edu> trimm@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey M. Trimm) writes:
>>I just watched the "Dog Show" and "Baby Scam" episodes, and I must say, R&S
>>is going downhill quickly.  Ren's new voice was pathetic.  Both episodes


>Yeah, it's an opinon alright. But "Dog Show" is from John K. before he

>Personally, I thought these were top rate, much better than "Mad Dog Hoek"
>and "Haunted House".

Definitely an opinion.  I didn't think these (DS BS) were particularly funny 
(a few snickers here and there), but I thought "Mag Dog Hoek" and "Haunted 
House" were both **EXTREMELY** funny, i.e., they had me rolling on the floor.
So there is a lot of subjective judgement involved here.  My housemate was 
also laughing his head off in MDH and HH, so I know it is not just me...


-- 
"And do you know what's inside?  A priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize!" - Stimpy
"You gave away ... FORTY-SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS?" - Ren Hoek
I want the 1 hour weekly Ren and Stimpy and Itchy and Scratchy show on Fox NOW!
Eric van Bezooijen - eric@soda.berkeley.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:39:13 EST
From: Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy Comics for sale
 <1992Dec17.150812.9718@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU>

In article <1992Dec17.150812.9718@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU>,
seeker@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Thomas R. Hall) says:
>
>Funny, Ren and Stimpy comic books are everywhere up here in Maine

Yeah, they are all over the place up here in State College PA too.
I thought from the panic here that they were extinct, but I have 2
copies of #1 and there were plenty more last I looked.

>If anyone wants one respond with e-mail and I'll try to dig some
>up...at much less than 10 or 12 dollars.  I can't promise
>anything-I'm just a student...but I'll do my best for ya.
>Responses will be in the order I receive messages.

Sorry I can't offer the same, but I'm leaving this place for good
tomorrow (graduating and all...sigh).
I do suggest picking it up if you are a Ren and Stimpy fan, they are pretty
funny. I think they are up to #3 now.  They are all pretty good. And Ren's
voice in them is GREAT!!! =)

-Sime                              Freedom Belongs To Only Those
                                   Without Video Screens For
Better dead than wed.              Eyes And Mouth
                                       -Queensryche
From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Stimpy's breed
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:20:42 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: vangogh.meaddata.com

In article <92350.20970.L630391@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, L630391@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|> In "Dog Show" by callin Stimpy a Cornish Rexhound, I wonder if George Liquor
|> didn't disclose what breed of cat Stimpy is?  To those of you out there who
|> may not be familiar with the different breeds of cats, there IS a breed of cat
|> called a Cornish Rex.  It doesn't look much like Stimpy, though.  A real
|> cornish rex has short, curly hair and is real skinny and looks more like Ren.
|> But what the hell, it's a cartoon.  Maybe Stimpy is just a cornish rex who has
|> let himself go.  A life of dissipation could do that to a cat.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And:  daily buffing, splitting into 2 cats and remerging through digestion,
implosion, doing high-dives into kitty litter, eating too much powdered
toast, being nursed by Ren, etc., etc.  Stimpy's had a rough life.

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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: new show
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:17:40 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec15.105149.1630@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>> 
>> And it's nice to see some of the old
>> regulars on, i.e. Mr Horse,, Fire Chief, Unshaven Yak, Mr and Mrs Pipe,
>> the old guy that was the Nerve Ending Fairy, George Liquor, etc...
>
>Now do you all believe me when I say that:
>
>THE NERVE ENDING FAIRY IS A DIFFERENT CHARACTER FROM OLD MAN HUNGER!!
>

Different character, but the same actor! :-)


-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: cm199@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas G. Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy on a major network reunited with John K. a reality?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:51:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


It would be a mistake on Nick's part to drop R&S. It is Fox's
sense of humor, but would they pick it up?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: new show
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:51:49 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

> 
> I thought they were pretty good too! And it's nice to see some of the old
> regulars on, i.e. Mr Horse,, Fire Chief, Unshaven Yak, Mr and Mrs Pipe,
> the old guy that was the Nerve Ending Fairy, George Liquor, etc...

Now do you all believe me when I say that:

THE NERVE ENDING FAIRY IS A DIFFERENT CHARACTER FROM OLD MAN HUNGER!!

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     / / \/ \  \  /  OH MY BELOVED BAG OF  \      
    /__|O||O|__ \ \  GRITTY KITTY LITTER!  / 
   |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \  ____________________/      
   | | (____) | ||  |/                       
   \/\___/\__/  // _/
   (_/         ||   
    |          ||\    Norman G. Sippel
     \        //_/    alias Norman "Killer Kadoogen" Stimpy
      \______//      
     __| | | |__      Email: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
    (____) (____)            ngsippel@komodo.ham.muohio.edu
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:37:24 EST
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Movie trivia in Big Baby Caper...


Did anyone take note of what the old man's whistling was?  Movie
buffs will take note that it was from a foreign movie with none
other than Ren's inspiration, Peter Lorre, from the movie M.
What got me was that Lorre played a child murderer in that movie,
and from the way he was looking at our heros, I thought he was
going do them in.  That one little bit is proof to me that John K
must have had some hand in it.  What do you all say?
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:45:14 EST
From: Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: new show
 <92347.231508EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>

Gosh darn it I LIKE the new shows, but I guess I'm the only one...
The old ones are the best, of course, but the new ones aren't bad.  They
still have John K. as Ren.  And if it _isn't_ him, I can't tell the difference.

Anyways, you should all be happy that it's still on the air.  You didn't expect
the new ones to be the same as the old ones, now did you really?
The old ones are the best, but the new ones are still R and S and I still like
them.

If you wanna be closeminded and call me a butthead then go ahead, but I still
like them.

-Sime                              Freedom Belongs To Only Those
                                   Without Video Screens For
Better dead than wed.              Eyes And Mouth
                                       -Queensryche