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From: shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal)
Subject: Re: By Election - PM Goh Promise ?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:57:22 GMT

From what I hear, PM Goh is very much like John Major...
I mean, It's actually Kuan Yew and Maggie Thatcher that's
running the show. I guess this is what happens when a PM
stays in office for a long illustrious carreer and doesn't die
in office! About the election in Singapore, I bet PM Goh has to
still refer to his "boss"....Lee Kuan Yew. Any comments?
:wq
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:11:52 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <siong.719157367@sfu.ca>, siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
> 
[munched]
> The problem is that I or rather we don't know the postal code.  :(

	It actually doesn't matter if you don't have the postal code, it just
delays it by a couple of days (u to a week, they say) but it will still get
there.  I've had mail delivered to me with just my house number, road name and
KL, MALAYSIA from USA last time, quite a few times in fact.  It's better to
have no post code than wrong post code too...  And it also helps if the postman
knows your name too... :) :)  especially with those "wrong-numbered" addresses.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: What is Productivity?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:28:02 GMT

America's productivity is still the highest but its growth has stagnated.

Fortune, Oct 19,1992, page 31:

No one knows why America's prductivity growth stagnated. Economists used to
blame oil shocks of the SEVENTIes, but productivity growth did't perk up
when petroleum prices fell. Better candidates are insufficient private and
public investment combined with tens of millions of new workers- women,
baby-boomers, and immigrants-whose need for jobs held wages down and lessened
the "pressure on management to increase each worker's efficiency".

The author had pointed out the major reasons for the lack of productivity.
I put quotes on the management problem because "productivity" in determined
by management. If labour is cheap, management does not bother to increase
productivity. This happen even to Multi-national in Singapore, managed by
locals(a student pointed out to me).

So now do you see the reasons why the productivity of Singapore is much 
higher than Malaysia. If someone still do not, I'll try to explain further,
especially the Singapore policies that make it happen. Note that these
policies are being copied by Malaysia but half-heartedly and not to the full
extent necessary for its success.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:02:06 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5



		come oooonnnnnn,

		you are from singapore and you seem
		surprised to hear about fines ???!!!

		unbelievable!!

		somewhere in the constitution of
		singapore there is mention about
		inventing 6 new campaigns and 10
		new fines evelly year. ;-)

		i dont bluff you !!!


		kpurang.
From: jawahar@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jawahar (HP India))
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:43:01 GMT
Subject: Email address of MINDEF Recruitment center
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

Does MINDEF (Ministry of Defence)'s Recruitment center, Singapore have an email
address ? Can anybody mail it to me ? 
Thanks in advance,

email : jawahar@india.hp.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Ranking of UK Universities
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:02:53 GMT

While on the thread of US vs UK universities, let me bring into
discussion the ranking of UK universities.

In The Times Good University Guide (12 Oct 92 and 13 Oct 92), a total of
more than 90 universities (and polytechnics, including those that has
just converted/are converting to university status) were ranked on various
criteria, including % of PhD holders among staff, staff with professional
qualification, research grants/facilities, library facilities, accomodation
etc etc.  The top universities are

     1)  Cambridge
     2)  Oxford
     3)  Imperial College (I think)
     4)  Edinburgh
    
Perhaps some of you (esp. those in the UK) have some comments.

#----------------------------------#-------------------------------------------#
|  W.H.Watt                        #  JANET:                                   |
|  Dept. of Accounting & Finance   #           w.h.watt@uk.ac.strath.vaxa      |
|  University of Strathclyde       #  Rest of the World:                       |
|  Glasgow                         #           w.h.watt@vaxa.strath.ac.uk      |
|  United Kingdom                  #                                           |
#----------------------------------#-------------------------------------------#

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Query : Canadian Tourist Visa (?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 17:15:44 EDT

 
G'day,
      I will be travelling to Canada as a tourist, on a Singapore passport.
Do I need a tourist visa?  I will be entering Canada from the U.S. The
staff at Air Canada do not seem to be informed about visa requirements at
all.  One said that I needed a visa, another said no.  Has anyone from
Singapore been into Canada recently ? Is a visa required?
      Thanks.
      Gerald Cheang
 
e-mail : cheang@stat.yale.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:06:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.063303.27080@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, chuangss@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Shyne Song Chuang) writes:
> 
> In article <BvtKpx.EAA@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct8.123212.17264@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
> >>
> >>No, there are no cameras in toilets nor do the Police patrol toilets in
> >>search of people who do not flush. 'Officers' from one of the
> >
> >When I was at Changi earlier this year, I went to the men's room and 
> >found a man, in an official-looking uniform, seated in a chair facing 
> >the stalls.  He appeared to be monitoring the activities in the room.  
> >Can anyone tell me what was going on?
> 
> I don't think the chap was there to monitor the use of toilets. Besides,
> why would they want to fine tourists!!??! My guess is that he's a uniformed
> cleaner.

I can't be sure but doesn't toilets in Changi have sensors and a automatic
flushing system.

Edmund
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: By Election - PM Goh Promise ?
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:19:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuscc.1992Oct10.021905.11246
Organization: National University of Singapore

In article <2AD468D8.26530@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>
>PM Goh promised to have a by election some time in
>September.  Now it's already October.  Has the PM said
>anything ? Are JBJ and Chiam calling foul ?  What is 
>the atmosphere in Singapore now ?
>

I read this from the local newspaper sometime last month, and if I
remember correctly, PM said that the by election will be held before
March next year? (I don't really remember the month.) This morning,
it was reported in the chinese newspaper that Chiam is busy preparing
for the by-election. The atmosphere in Singapore now is cool and calm
(after the heavy rain last night :-). I haven't heard much about
by-election recently. 

Hope this answer your question. 

-- Siau Cheng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Subject: Re: A Puzzle : ):)
Keywords: potatoe
Reply-To: kahchan@iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.151925.18086@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct10.055917.24767@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>>
>>The current campaing is to encourage women to marry as early as possible,
>>as early as a 4 year old!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Ah! I spotted something! This must be the "mistake purposely
>	not removed" stuff.

Well, he (Othman Ahmad) is not all that wrong! :-)
Lately there was a TV ad featuring two 4 to 5-year-old kids.  Of course
one was a boy and the other was a girl.  The boy asked the girl to be
his girlfriend.  I think the girl asked the boy whether it was too early
to talk about relationship (and ultimately, marriage).  In response the
small cute little boy poured out some standard SDU reasons for getting
married and having kids earlier.  I can't really remember the exact
contents of the ad but the above was the outline.  Seeing that his
reasons made sense the girl agreed to be his girlfriend.
Unfortunately we will not get to see the ad again because it was later
pulled out due to protests that the ad might actually encouragement
teenagers to pair up and get themselves into trouble (aka teenager
pregnancies) at an age when they don't really know what they are getting
into.  I wish I could see the ad again.  It was rather funny and cute,
if not for the dire sociological consequences it might have as a side
effect. :-)
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:46:39 GMT

Siong Heng Chan (siong@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
: fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
: 
: >In article <1992Oct8.075137.5803@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
: 
: >> 	So you muslim students, look after our girls. At least be nice to them.
: >> This JPA ruling of not allowing students to get married is just stupid. I
: >> can't blame them when liberal parents are the ones who demanded the ruling.
: >		        ^^^^^^^
: >	Shouldn't it be conservative ?
: 
: 
: Yeah right!  This Othman has been constantly contradicting himself!!!!  For
: some unknown reason!!! :)  What is this, Othman!  Buck up.  If you want to
: argue, argue/flame correctly!  Contradicting yourself doesn't seem to help in
: your arguments somehow..... :)
What do you think I meant? I double checked it and I feel there is nothing
wrong.
	HOwever I'm disturbed by the "confidence" of the commentor in the
truth of his statement. That is the strong evidence of stupidity. He does not
even bother to explain what the contradiction is.

This is another example of people who do not know how to think like the other
side. People make mistakes but intelligent people know how to filter mistakes
from the context of the sentence. Sometimes I deliberately not remove any
mistake just to test the reader.
	The fact that noone bother to explain to this commenter is another
indication that this is accepted behaviour.
	Is this the standard of the culture of the commenter? Isn't it 
chinese?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: x90cheong1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: DOWN
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:07:17 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University




In article <siong.718335999@sfu.ca>, siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
> 
> 
> Hi there netters!
> 		 Well, just a question here, when I went back to Malaysia
> last semester, there was a big issue about some 20 Malay students in England
> who changed their religion.  I know that this is a really sensitive issue but
> I'm not trying to create any racial or religious war here.  Just plain 
> curiosity.  Can anyone in England confirm this?  (I didn't know the outcome 
> of this in Malaysia.)
> 		 One more thing that I'm really cunfused about is that when
> the Perak State government heard about this, they made a big fuss about it.
> They said that they have to investigate to find out if there are any Perak
> scholarship holders involved because if they are, then their scholarships will
> be withdrawn.  The reason that the state gov. gave was that if the Malays 
> changed their religion, they will lose their "BUMIPUTERA" status so they won't 
> be eligible to hold scholarships given to bumis only.  The question is, I 
> thought that Bumiputera status is actually refering to the "RACE" and not
> the religion.  Example, there are a lot of Kadazans in Sabah/Sarawak (I'm
> not sure cos from the west) who are Christians but still considered to be
> bumiputeras.  It shouldn't matter what religion you to be classified under
> the bumiputera status.  Can anybody explain this?
> 		  The above isn't intended to offend any religion or race.  As
> I have said, just plain curiosity.
> 
> siong
> 
  dgqu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:56:59 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct8.005449.17291@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
[munch munch.  Burp!]
> It is the presence of people like that that make ISA acceptable and even
> defended strongly. Remember how they want to apply ISA to me just for saying
> that chinese journalists/editors do not tell the whole truth.

	Just remember that no one ever tells the whole truth, Chinese or
otherwise.  Of course some try harder than others...  :) :)
	Ciao.

-Tai
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Email in Bristol University, UK
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:25:32 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <Bvxp7z.LLn@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
$ In article <1992Oct8.173250.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
$ >In article <BvqBG3.6FD@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
$
$ >> I tried fingering "bris.ac.uk" and "bristol.ac.uk"
$ >> These machines are not being recognised... (didnt' 
$ >> even get a "connection refused" or something like 
$ >> that)
$ >
$ >According to my Site Look-Up, Bristol University has the email
$ >
$ >             bris.ac.uk
$ 
$ Well, yes, I do know about that.  Got that from gopher.  I guess 
$ the reason why I couldn't finger it was cuz it's not really on
$ the internet.
$ 
 
  If the remote host at Bristol University does not have the finger
deamon turn on, you are not going to get any reply.  Many hosts
on the Internet turn off their finger deamon these day due to 
some mis-understanding of network security.  As the matter of fact,
Bristol university is well connected on the Internet as I can traceroute
to the host in the computer science department.


Name:    cs.bris.ac.uk
Address:  137.222.102.101

> merlion$ traceroute 137.222.102.101
traceroute to 137.222.102.101 (137.222.102.101), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  CWRU-GW (129.22.1.1)  4 ms  3 ms  4 ms
 2  clevelandpop-casewesternuniv.oar.net (131.187.46.5)  8 ms  4 ms  5 ms
 3  192.88.195.168 (192.88.195.168)  7 ms  26 ms  12 ms
 4  t1-3.cnss43.t3.nsf.net (140.222.43.5)  12 ms  7 ms  7 ms
 5  t3-3.cnss41.t3.nsf.net (140.222.41.4)  7 ms  8 ms  7 ms
 6  t3-3.cnss40.t3.nsf.net (140.222.40.4)  11 ms  10 ms  8 ms
 7  t3-1.cnss32.t3.nsf.net (140.222.32.2)  22 ms  23 ms  28 ms
 8  t3-1.cnss56.t3.nsf.net (140.222.56.2)  27 ms  32 ms  26 ms
 9  t3-0.cnss58.t3.nsf.net (140.222.58.1)  28 ms  28 ms  26 ms
10  t3-0.enss145.t3.nsf.net (140.222.145.1)  28 ms  27 ms  34 ms
11  sura.NSN.NASA.GOV (192.80.214.253)  40 ms  30 ms  40 ms
12  128.161.40.3 (128.161.40.3)  58 ms  486 ms  35 ms
13  ULCC.NSN.NASA.GOV (128.161.165.2)  181 ms  421 ms  383 ms
14  jips-gw.ulcc.ac.uk (128.86.1.4)  192 ms *  578 ms
15  gw.bath.JA.NET (146.97.112.6)  1621 ms * *
16  146.97.96.5 (146.97.96.5)  730 ms  1060 ms  631 ms
17  cs-gw.bris.ac.uk (137.222.100.251)  1363 ms  621 ms  635 ms
18  kukini.cs.bris.ac.uk (137.222.102.101)  480 ms *  979 ms
merlion$


  Hope this help.

-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:22:13 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct14.160946.18370@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
[munch munch]
>>	How he is going to implement it? My doubt is and clarify me if I'm,
>>wrong, is that means we going to have one and only race race and not Malay,
>>Indian, Chinese races? Then what criteria will be used to distinguished 
>>between bumi and non-bumi? The only way that I could think of is by the
>>religion. If you are Muslim than you're a bumi else non-bumi. Am I right?
> 
> How to achieve this goal? My $0.02 proposals:
> 
> 1. Get rid of the words BUMIPUTERA and Non-BUMIPUTERA, then we talk.

	I believe that is what is going to go on.  So, if no "bumi" and
"nonbumi" then your (ANAND) question is not valid.  
> 
> 2. Cross-cultural marriages. 

	Very good way to start the ball rolling...  I believe that the "satu
bangsa" is more rhetorical than literal.  He did say something about
"respecting and learning each others cultures" and M'sia is (supposed to be)
famous for it's multicultural diversity.  If all one race, then no such thing
as multicultural diversity anymore, is there?
	Btw, does anyone have that TOWARDS 2020 piece of paper or know where I
can get a copy from?  I didn't really read too much of it when he started
talking about it last year, and I am finding out that I don't really know too
much of where my country is heading to.  Thanx.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eln122b@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Ivan Chin)
Subject: University of New south wales
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:00:46 GMT

I am looking for anyone who has done or are doing electrical
engineering in University of New south wales (australia)

Please contact me
Ivan...
From: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Curtin and La Trobe University users
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:18:18 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol


	I need to get in touch with anyone from Curtin U,Perth
	or La Trobe U , Melbourne.

	If you're from there and willing to help a fellow uni
	mate to use the e-mail plese reply.


	cheers.

	
	===victor==

	UK:	vcs_teo@uk.brispoly.csd
	Rest of the world:	vcs_teo@csd.brispoly.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: operator@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: <None>
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:09:35 GMT
From: songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:24:23 GMT
Organization: Big Green
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6FE49CDC001501A@kip-sn-26.dartmouth.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:14:53 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <1992Oct11.180819.3619@memstvx1.memst.edu> ,
ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>	Only in USA.  In M'sia, the price of PCs is still very high, for 386's
>and above.  486's still cost M$12000 and above (the cheapest I saw, list
priced
>at M$15000+).  I believe that prices for computers are quite high (due to
>taxes) in UK and Australia too...
>
>> it's new P5 chip, probably early next year, while Cyrix will have it's
>> equivalent version called M1.  If you have the money or resources, I
probably 
>> won't look at any machine below 486.  With a 486 it will probably won't
>
>	Look at the Income per Capita in M'sia...  Still below US$10 grand I
>believe.  Take half away for a 486 and....  However, I too recommend
nothing
>lower than a 486...  but then I am in USA now...

	I am not too sure about 486s but I think a low end (nameless and
cheesy) 386sx can be bought with less than MR3000.  However, I do
think that the government is really being a bit ridiculous about 
info tech equipments.  How do they suppose Malaysia can catch up in 
computer science and information technology when only the rich can
afford even a basic computer system?

Me.

from the Remote Pseudo Artic Town,
Hanover, New Hampshire.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:33:38 GMT

In article <BvtKpx.EAA@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
>
>When I was at Changi earlier this year, I went to the men's room and 
>found a man, in an official-looking uniform, seated in a chair facing 
>the stalls.  He appeared to be monitoring the activities in the room.  
>Can anyone tell me what was going on?
>

I don't know what you mean "official-looking uniform". But I am very
certain what you saw was a uniformed cleaner. If they sit on the chair
facing the stalls, most probably they are eating snakes (ie., taking a
rest). These cleaners are to ensure the cleaniness of the toilets, but
they don't do spot-checking. (If they are going to spot-check, they
probably won't dress in uniform to warn you.) One nice thing in
Singapore Airport is that you don't have to give them tips after you
use such a clean toilet. In some other public toilets, you have to pay
10 cents for entrance.

-- Siau Cheng
From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:02:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ems.1992Oct15.040232.27065
Organization: PSU Petroleum Engineering

In article <ygoh.719083940@sfu.ca> ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh) writes:
>af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:

>>2. Cross-cultural marriages. 
>
>	Cross cultural marriges won't happen in large scale between 
>	the non-Muslims and Muslims because the non-Muslims have to
>	give up their religion. Now, MOST of the older generation Chinese
>	and/or Indians would oppose such marriages. (Maybe even the 
>	younger generation, too.)  	


Yes the non-muslim have to give up his/her religion to marry a muslim
unless they are the People of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians).  A
muslim man can marry a non-muslim woman.  But, not the other way
around (discuss the reasons why with somebody else, I am not in the
mood to discuss about religion now). I am not against the inter-racial 
marriage.  If it is possible and not contrary to Islam, I will do it.
In fact, if I am looking for a wife, I want her to be a non-malay (a Jew, 
Christian or a converted Muslim, of course).  But, the problem is that I
am not sure whether the Malaysian society (especially, the Malays) accept 
this or not -- marriage between a muslim man and Christian woman.
Anyway, I don't care about it, I am going to find a non-malay wife, be
it a Christian or a Jew or a converted Muslim.  


-azlan nordin-
  Penn State
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