From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Omnipotent ecologist speaks (Re: The lack of vision)
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:54:49 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1992Dec9.205804.5687@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
    >>>>>Eh? Oh, I get it -- pH balance -- acid rain. The great
    >>>>>eco-hysteria over acid rain, and guess what? Acid rain is NOT
    >>>>>killing the forests. Ozone yes, but after $500,000,000 worth
    >>>>>of study over 10 years, the final and well studied conclusion
    >>>>>is that acid rain is NOT killing the forest.
    >>>>>
    >That's not what Canadian ecologists say.
    >
    >
    >>>>Where are your facts and documents that back up this claim. I
    >>>>state that this is not correct- in fact, still unknown, and
    >>>>still furthur we know the effects of acid rain. So post your
    >>>>sources to support this position.
    >>>>
    >Most of the educated world.
    >
    >
    >>>Is acid rain killing the forests?
    >>>
    >>>Yes or no??????
    >>>
    >Yes.

Golly, what is "most of the educated world" in your kindergarten?
Politically-Correct-Ignore-The-Facts-Womens/Handicapped/Gay/Lesbian/Cetecea/
Nuke-Dead-White-Males University of Lower Propaganda?

Anyway, The NAPAP (National Acid Precipatation Assesment Program) must
be in the un-civilized world. This is a 10 year, $500 [illion study.

NAPAP concludes 2 majors things:

1. "Acid rain does not cause aquatic acidification".

2. "Acid rain shows minimal effects on crops and forests; only a small
   number of lakes have been acidified" (such as closely downwind of
   high sulfur large scale power generation plant -- but then, that's why
   they tend to locate those things in the desert).

This is one of my favorite things with which to trap the loco yohos.

Like Santa Claus, it is a favorite thing to believe in (by children), and
like Santa Claus, they get SO upset when they learn the truth.

Other myths include global warming and "mankind is dooming us by
flooding the atmosphere with CO2".

Of course, scientifically, it is STILL be studied -- we can't even decide
if there is a warming trend.

And few people realize that ALL of man's output comprises less than 5% of
the total CO2 production in the world.


The ozone hole IS real, and is a danger. Rational dangers are always
understood and dealt with -- with CFC's, notew that the response has been
well ahead of law.

Forests ARE being hit hard by some types of pollution -- primarily ozone.



I've had this "argument" with the unarmed several times now.  Each time I
check the literature (never can tell when something new pops up). Checking
facts before I post is useful -- much to my debating enjoyment, most of
the posters that disagreewith me don't -- relying as they do primarily on
dogmatic Politically Correct slogans.

This time, it has been much more fascinating. The NAPAP is under cosniderable
"attack" -- not on a scientific basis, but on a POLITICAL basis by so-called
"scientists"!!!!!

It is almost unbelievable to see scientists attack a apper for it's political
bases, but then, with the Politicall Correct swill-mindset in place in
so many Kolleges, I expect we are just beginning to reap what we so.
(Can the motivations of Lysenko-ism be that far behind us again?)

For the best view of this, see Science 9/18/87. Acid rain on [akes
based on summary from a literature search of Science, 5/24/91, as well
as the "well, but how about" on the EDF report in Science News 4/30/88.

Primary sources are:


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