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Date: 18 Dec 92 17:39:24 GMT
From: Eric Hunt <bsc835!ehunt%bsc835bsc.edu@uunet.uu.net>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Computer Privacy Digest V1
Organization: Birmingham-Southern College
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In article <comp-privacy1.114.4@pica.army.mil>, bjwhitlock@vnet.ibm.com (Brad Whitlock) writes:
> And by the way, do you demand to see the original SSA-issue SSN card?

Alabama recently (last 2 years) began requiring SSN's for all students
entering school. No SSN, no school. 

What's even worse, is they simply REFUSE to accept the number by itself, they
require the actual SSA-issued card. My sister was a week late starting school
because they wouldn't let her in the doors without a SSA-issue card. It
took a week to get a new one made, we had lost the original from when she
was born.

[Moderator's Note:  Is this colleges, high schools, or primary schools?
 ._dennis ]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:30:03 GMT
From: John Nagle <nagle@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Department of Energy gains spy power, paper says
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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"Len E. Elam" <lelam%kuwait@sun.com> writes:
>I spotted this in the Monday, December 7, 1992 morning edition of the
>{Fort Worth Star-Telegram} on Section A, Page 10:
>From Wire Reports
>  HOUSTON -- The U.S. Department of Energy has won approval of
>procedures that allow the agency to spy on citizens, a newspaper
>reported yesterday in a copyright story.

      Interesting.  DOE mostly uses Wackenhut Corporation for security,
and Wackenhut has a reputation for doing more than just providing guards.
(See recent article in "Spy" magazine).  Perhaps this is a ploy to get 
Wackenhut more authority.  Watch and see where Barr ends up after Clinton 
replaces him.  Wackenhut's board already has had a former FBI director,
a former DIA director, a former Secret Service Director, a former NSA
director, a former Defense secretary, a former NORAD commander,
and two former CIA deputy directors.  Will they complete their collection
with a former AG?  

      I recommend the Spy article, in the September 1992 issue, for
a lurid account of Wackenhut's involvement with DoE, Iran/Contra, 
El Salvador, Iraq, Libya, weapons deals, etc.  Names, dates, and places
are given.  Wackenhut even admits some of these involvements.  They
don't think of themselves as the bad guys, just the guys who do the
Government's dirty work.

					John Nagle
Date:      Tue, 08 Dec 92 21:24:59 PST
From:      Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG%UCSFVM.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject:      Re: Computer Privacy Digest V1#110
Organization: Computer Privacy Digest
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I am real sorry guys.  If the idea is use my DL number, not my SSN, so I
can evade my obligations, I am against it.  There is enough evasion of
obligations already.

Now I am sure most folks who bother to participate in the conference have
a more abstract view of life.  But I will tell you there are folks who will
run up a long string of bills on "trust" and then screw those who trusted
them.  As a result, us trusting folks are saying we want SSN, DL, first born
child, and whatever else we can think of.

The alternative is that we will not trust you and tell you to go screw
yourself when it comes to credit.  If you have the hard green, you are
covered.  If not, prepare to cough up everything if you want $$$ from me.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:58:00
From: KitchenRN@ssd0.laafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Ownership of Telephone Numbers
Organization: Computer Privacy Digest
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I don't know if this applies to private residence numbers, but recently, MCI 
has been advertising in California that if you want lower rates on your 
800-number charges, you can transfer from Pacific Telephone and TAKE YOUR 
800-NUMBER WITH YOU.  This kind of implies that the number belongs to you, 
not to the telco.

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@ssd0.laafb.af.mil
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:36:51 GMT
From: Joe Kennedy <jk@flamingo.esd.sgi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Fully automated speeding tickets
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA
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It is my understanding, at least in Campbell, CA., that the photo radar
equipment is not sold to the police, but is leased. The manufacturer of
the equipment, somewhere in Texas, collects royalties from each ticket
collected.  Does anyone know if this is true, and if so, how widespread
is this ( vile ) practice ?

It seems to me that of someone were to get a couple of 12 volt very high
intensity lamps, such as aircraft wing lights, and use them to
illuminate the liscense plate, the liscense plate image in the photo
should be completely washed out.  Certainly, there is no way the same
film frame could properly record a highly illuminated plate AND a
normally illuminated driver's face.

					jk
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 15:17:23 PST
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: re: Digital licenses in NY state
Organization: Computer Privacy Digest
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>  A colleague of mine recently went home to find the county sheriff waiting
>to talk to him about some recent burglaries.  Seems they had a tire iron
>with his fingerprints all over it at the scene of one of the crimes.  Lucky
>for him he had a nice airtight alibi.  This is a guy whose only crime to
>date has been an occasional speeding ticket.  Oh yes, how did they know they
>were his prints?  He's got one of those nice jobs in the defence industry
>where they interview everyone you've ever known, done credit and police
>checks on you from everywhere imaginable, strap you to a polygraph (i.e.,
>a "lie detector" for the uninitiated), and fingerprint you.  And imagine
>how nice it will be when the FBI has all those fingerprint cards digitized
>and accessible to even the most remote law enforcement agency (right from
>the squad car with live scanning technology) in seconds.  Sound far fetched?
>Naw, it's from the specifications from the National Crime Information Center

Yea ... back when I was about 7 I remember as  a class trip we visited
the local police station ...   I  don't remember  why,  but I seem  to
recall that they fingerprinted us. This was long before  the days when
they fingerprinted kids regularly as a "security" measure...  I wonder
where the fingerprints ended up...
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:04:49 GMT
From: James Davies <jrbd@craycos.com>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Credit denies millionaire due to credit report
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation
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(from an AP wire service story, seen in the Rocky Mountain News  12/11/92)

Jim Clayton, a "mobile home magnate" from Tennessee with a reported net worth
of $265 million, was recently rejected for a VISA card by the American
Association of Retired Persons.  The reason for the rejection was that
there had been frequent requests for his credit report.  Firms that do
business with his company often get credit reports on top officers.
(Business is apparently quite good. :-).  After being informed of this, AARP
manually intervened to issue him a card.

AARP spokesman Ted Bobrow said "One of the important things this points out
is that any consumer who is turned down for credit needs to find out why.
It could very well be a mistake."

Apparently AARP didn't learn anything from this.

						Jim Davies
						jrbd@craycos.com
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:28:52 GMT
From: "Glenn R. Stone" <gs26@prism.gatech.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Organization: The Group W Bench
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In <comp-privacy1.113.7@pica.army.mil> BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Jerry Bryan) writes:

>I just had my first encounter with Blockbuster Video.  They wanted
>my driver's license number, my SSN, a credit card number, where
>I worked, and my boss's name.  I balked on the SSN, they would not
>give in, and I walked out.

Gee.  BB here in HotLanta only wanted a card number and place of
employment; there was an explicit doodad that said you didn't have
to give your ssn if you didn't want to; they generated an eleven-digit
membership number.... I don't know if the ssn was included in the
number if you gave it to them or not.  I didn't get any static at 
all about not giving the SSN ('specially since I circled the section
that said I didn't have to)..... 

Not that I go thru there anymore.... <sigh> 

-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
Don't throw matches in the urinals, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
    --wilson
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:41 EST  
From: Paul Olson <olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Privacy in VA
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
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In article <comp-privacy1.109.7@pica.army.mil>, MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN <mlsa@lehigh.edu> writes...
>>
>Agreed, the problem is that if you have a radar detector, especially a built
>in like my father has, and live in Md. but are often in Va.  I imagine it may
>be quite a pain in the ass (I never really asked him if this was the case)
>Also, any truth to the rumor that the cops can tell if it is on or not.  If
>not my advice is get a built in and turn it off before the cop gets to the car.
>-- 

What I end up doing is just turning mine off.  That way, the VSP can't pick it
up on their radar detector detectors.

Yea, it is possible to detect radar detectors.  Apparently, some detectors give
off a small amount of microwave activity themselves.  The VSP have a box to
detect changes in the level of ambient microwaves, and can tell if you're
travelling with one.  I know, from being stuck in traffic behind someone with a
cheap detector, that some detectors to emit.  Mine is a Bel 956W, the top of
the line which is supposed to be undetectable.  I suspect it's because it has a
zinc chassis.  The unit is smaller than a pack of cigarettes, and weighs almost
half a pound.  I've driven behind and along side other folks with Bel
detectors, and mine has not been set off.  But I'm not going to run the risk of
having a VSP officer seize mine and smash it on the ground, as they've been
known to do.  I paid too much for it.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:06:52 GMT
From: StarOwl <StarOwl@uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Radar Detector Prohibitions
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
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In article <comp-privacy1.112.5@pica.army.mil>, Charles Scripter
<cescript@phy.mtu.edu> writes:
>>In <comp-privacy1.107.7@pica.army.mil> dileo@brl.mil (John DiLeo, CSB) writes:
>> > Actually, I'm not so sure about DC.  However, radar detectors are
>> > illegal in Connecticut, and the presence of one in the passenger
>> > compartment of a vehicle (including under the seat, unplugged) can
>> > (or at least once did) carry a pretty hefty penalty. If one was
>> > permanently installed in another state (the variety where the
>> > transceiver is behind the grill, and the control unit is in the
>> > dash) you could only be ticketed if they believed it was operating.

>Isn't use of electronic surveillance devices illegal under federal
>law? (from the days of Watergate).  Wouldn't that make the use of
>police radar illegal, without a warrant?...

Not that this is a privacy issue, but I thought that banning radar
detectors was technically a violation of federal law.  I think
there is a federal law on the books, dating back from the '30's,
which affirms citizens' rights to receive signals broadcast anywhere
in the electromagnetic spectrum.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 09:05:09 PST
From: Brian Bousman <bbousman@zeus.muse.rockwell.com> 
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Digital Licenses in NY State
Organization: Rockwell International, Seal Beach, CA
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In article <comp-privacy1.111.8@pica.army.mil>, "Roy M. Silvernail"
<roy@cybrspc.uucp> writes:
|>nicmad!madnix!zaphod%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Ron Bean) writes:
|>
|>>    As long as you're not trying to defraud anyone, it's still a
|>> valid signature. Since other organizations (such as UPS) are
|>> digitising signatures, a better strategy might be to get in the
|>> habit of *dating* everything you sign (although the date could
|>> still be cut off or altered).
|>
|>When UPS started that, everybody in my office refused to sign it except
|>the boss.  He didn't really understand our reservations, but was
|>temporarily willing to sign all packages in.  Eventually, practicality
|>and business sense won out over principle, and we all do something to
|>the pad.  I elected to print my name.
|>

    It seems to me that if you are worried about your signature being
digitized and used for other purposes then you cannot sign *anything*
because all it takes is a scanner to get it from a paper version of
your signature.

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Brian Bousman                   | Rockwell International
bbousman@zeus.muse.rockwell.com | Space Systems Division
(310) 797-4745                  | Seal Beach, CA
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Of course I don't speak for my company.  If I did that
they'd have to pay me a lot more money.
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:43:45 GMT
From: Don Watrous <watrous@athos.rutgers.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: User-transparent encryption?
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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 cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes:

 >The only answer is to be on a single-user machine -- not allow any other
 >logins (or any remote access via RPC) while you're logged in.  Once you've
 >done that, PEM can take care of mail privacy and DES can handle file
 >privacy.

 And boot it from your own disk or a Trojan could get you.

 Don
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Date: 16 Dec 92 17:17:26 GMT
From: James Hess <jhess@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Digital Licenses in NY State
Organization: University of California, Irvine
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In article <comp-privacy1.109.1@pica.army.mil> Mitch Collinsworth <mkc@graphics.cornell.edu> writes:

>But then a few days later I walked into the polling place for the
>primary election and was presented with a new form of sign-in book in
>which I was instructed to sign below my name.  The book was clearly the
>output of a laser printer.  My name appeared twice, once in type and
>once in a pixel reproduction of my signature.  I decided it was already
>too late...
>
>
>Needless to say, I voted for the candidate who said we need to reduce
>government rather than the one who wanted to expand it.
>
Not to question your politics, but remember that Bush was director of the CIA,
which is not noted for its concerns for privacy or legality.  Ask yourself,
which parts of government did he propose to reduce or expand?  Of course, 
if you run the country off the books, through Ollie North, you can reduce
the visible government...  ;-)

-Jim-
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:32:25 GMT
From: Carl Oppedahl <oppedahl@panix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: alt.privacy
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
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An article in a recent issue of the New York Times describes a lawsuit
in which Mervyn's Department stores in California may be 
eligible for nearly $6 million worth of vouchers.  The store had been
requiring customers to reveal their telephone numbers when using 
charge cards, but state law says customers did not have to. 
Four customers sued, and now the store is settling.

Keep up the good work, I say.


Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY  10112-0228
voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:50:05 GMT
From: news@cbnewsh.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy
Subject: Re: Fully automated speeding tickets
Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services
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If I were nabbed by photo radar, and decided to fight it in court,
I'd be sure to subpoena *everybody* who handled the photo radar system,
and request that the equipment itself be made available for inspection
as part of the discovery process.  "Everybody" includes the installer,
the folks who calibrated it, read it, handled the record possibly even
the manufacturer. As somebody in the non--submission business puts it,
	If you're not having fun, you shouldn't waste your time in court.
If they see it's going to be difficult and expensive for them to win,
they may drop it, because their intent is to make a profit.
They may respond by throwing the book at you, but for a speeding
ticket that's usually not much different from what you pay if you plead guilty.
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From: cschen@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Chih-Shen Chen)
Subject: WANTED! Info. about Ballade
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:48:05 GMT

Hi, there

	I am wondering if anyone out there uses or knows about Ballade.
Somebody told me that it's a nice software for composing, etc.  Being
new to this field, I will appreciate any further information about it.

	Please reply via E-mail, thanks in advance.

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From: dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent)
Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: IBM notation shareware?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:17:37 +0800
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Can any kind soul(s) please provide info on free or shareware
programs for music notation that would run on a 640kb EGA PC?

My music teacher wants one so it would need to be fairly
comprehensive.

Retail recommendations appreciated but things tend to get a
little pricier here in OZ.

Email preferred.

TIA

Andy Dent (A.D. Software - Mac & VAX programming)
94 Bermuda Dve, BALLAJURA  Western Australia  6066
Phone/Fax: 09 249 2719 (local)  +619 249 2719 (International)
       Internet: dent@DIALix.oz.au    Compuserve: 100033,3241

Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.makers
From: doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeff House)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a digital piano
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:25:44 GMT

>
>Don't forget Roland FP-8, an 88-key digital piano with very good piano-like 
>action, and a sound far superior to the Sound Canvas and most other modules.
>The key mechanism actually contains a small hammer, which probably contributes
>to the nice feel of this keyboard. The weight is about 26 kilograms, and it
>apparently costs around $2300 in the US. (I live in Sweden and paid 17200 SEK
>for mine.)
>

I agree... I have one of these two, and have seen quite a few
professionals using them onstage.

I LOVE mine!  It's action is the best I've seen, and I walked into the
largest music store in Raleigh (North Carolina's Capitol), and asked the
keyboard sales rep:

	"Out of all the keyboards that you sell in here, which would YOU
	 prefer for action if money was no object."

Without a second of flinching, he replied:

	"Definitely the FP-8."

Good luck!

Doogie


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