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From: kslate@MtHolyoke.edu (Kevin D. Slate)
Subject: Re: Bruins' pre-camp notes
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:19:58 GMT


That's a valid point but I would still be ripped if they lost him. He is
one of those players that would come back to haunt them.

I can't wait for the start of the season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ho hum, more on Eric Lindros...
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:49:13 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

(I meant to post this before vacation, but..........)


Well, as long as I've complained about the amount of Lindros posts,
I might as well add to 'em.....

Here's Bobby Orr's slant on Lindros, from THN Sept 4., 1992 
(reprinted w/o permission) :

"Is Lindros better than Wayne Gretzky?" asks Orr. "Is he going to break open
games the way Wayne did? I wouldn't give away my team to get him. Remember,
Gretzky had a great supporting cast when he was winning the Cup in Edmonton but
he doesn't have that kind of cast in LA and they haven't won. And look at the
cast surrounding Mario Lemieux and Gordie Howe had a great cast around him. So
did I with the Bruins. If the Flyers make the playoffs after all they gave a
way it'll be because other teams failed, not because they're going to be a
whole lot better."

Hmmm. This quote got me to thinking. Supposing Mr. Orr is correct, AND SUPPOSE
Lindros eventually fails in the NHL (or does not achieve "Stardom") what will 
be the consequences of the 
failure of Mr. Lindros on the NHL? One might argue that his success is
something the NHL could use right now. If we can get off of the subject
of HATE LINDROS and LOVE LINDROS for a while, what about the impact of
the situation on the league? Just thought I'd give y'all something more 
to toss around.

Peace,
!eric!

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:01:04 GMT

ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:

>In article <BuL3sy.AsA@mtholyoke.edu> kslate@MtHolyoke.edu (Kevin D. Slate) writes:
>>Yes we do make the playoffs every year....something to be said about
>>that.

>Not to agree or disagree with the original poster, but the something
>that has to be said is "Quebec", or maybe "Hartford". Also "Ottawa"
>now.  I thought we were all agreed that making the NHL playoffs just
>wasn't a big deal.

Maybe. But making it to the semifinals 4 times in 5 years, and to
the Cup Finals twice isn't too horrible either. Their record is
40-25 in the Wales Conference playoffs in those 4 years. They were
16-5 against Montreal in those years (Mtl, while not the most awesome
team ever, was no Quebec either). Maybe making the playoffs doesn't mean
much, but if their 23 season streak isn't impressive, then the other
teams are even less impressive in that respect. Remember, the current
divisional setup has only been around since, I believe, the early 1980's.
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From: Douglas Dobbins <douglasd@halcyon.com>
Subject: W.I.H.L. and other Senior Leagues
Originator: douglasd@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:25:32 GMT

Does anyone know if any of the senior leagues are still playing for the 
the Allen Cup.  Just an old W.I.H.L. fan from Spokane, now in seattle.
From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: TOP TWENTY LIST
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:32:03 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I need a list of who will finish in the
top twenty in scoring  for the 92-93 NHL season.

                           Drop off answers in my mail number please.
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey Poolers!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:42:42 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <9209070530.AA00173@malibu.sfu.ca> chim@sfu.ca (Alan Chim) writes:
>
>#3  Teemu Selanne  --  Highly touted Swedish Right Winger who drives to

Boy, I really wish Teemu was a _Swedish_ right winger... :)

>
>#6  Johann Garpenlov  -- Major sleeper.  Didn't do much in Detroit, but

Johan Garpenlov. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he had a good start
in Detroit, scoring 3 or 4 goals in one game and playing on Yzerman's line.
After that he didn't achieve much and was sent down to Adirondack.

>once he got traded to San Jose, I think he averaged near a point a game.

Johan scored 11 points (5 G, 6 A) in 12 games with the Sharks but I
wouldn't count on that Johan will average a point per game this season.
Maybe on a hot streak but in the long run, no.. I don't think so.

>I think he played with Falloon (correct me if I'm wrong Nelson) and
>if the Sharks decide to have a Garpenlov-Whitney-Falloon combo as a first
>line, Garpenlov could do well.  I'd take him in my pool if the Sharks
>decide to make this move.
>

Long shot: Patrik Carnback, Montreal Canadiens. Patrik scored 41 Pts in
31 games last season in the Swedish elite league and he is tough enough
to make it in NHL. If he gets to play on a good line, he could be a
good pick in the pool.

>Alan.
>chim@sfu.ca

Staffan Axelsson
etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se
contact for Swedish hockey
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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Toronto Maple Leafs Latest Roster
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:04:42 GMT

If you have the latest Leafs roster, please email it to me.

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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Which players should I choose
Organization: NRC - Institute for Marine Dynamics
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:07:49 GMT

In article <742@ckgp.UUCP>, millis@ckgp.UUCP (Tom Millis) writes:
> I AM CALLING UPON THE OPINIONS OF THE HOCKEY GODS OF THE NET....
> 
> I am participating in a draft and I have 3rd and 4th picks.
> 1st pick was Mario Lemieux
> 2nd pick was Brett Hull

pick Sakic and Lafontaine

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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: trivia
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:25:44 GMT

In <farenebt.715792185@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:

>How many players have won the Hart Trophy
>and are NOT in the Hall of Fame? (of those who are eligible for the Hall)

>[you don't have to name them]

Well what the hell is the point of the question if you DON'T name them?

rm



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From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Best Forwards Ever/PENS #2
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:21:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.144424.15966@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>
>Howe may have been a good player over an extended period of time but for
>most of his career he was not even considered the best in the league, 
>being overshadowed by the likes Richard and then later, Bobby Hull.
>
>If we are talking about the best players (and not just forwards) there
>are clearly two who stand above the rest.  Orr and Gretzky.  Each of them
>revolutionized the game.  Gordie Howe was just a dirty player who hung
>in for a long long time.
>
>roger maynard                    

Excuse me!  Are you the Maynard from the old TV show Dobie Gillis (SP?)

Until Gretzky came along, Howe won more MVP's and scoring crowns than anybody.
For 20 consecutive seasons he was one of the top 5 scorers in the league (He
did tie for fifth in scoring three or four of those seasons). When high scoring
expansion games came along he was the 3rd player to score 100 points in a
season.....he was in his 40's.

Richard may have been fortunate to play for Montreal but Howe was Mr. Hockey
during his days.

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From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Colin Layfield..bounced Mail
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:30:42 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Colin:

All Friday and Saturday morning we are getting bounced mail. Check out your
site. Had to post here to get your attention. Reply back.

John
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:54:38 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <oehVwlm00iUx04T3dG@andrew.cmu.edu>, gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes:
>     Arena know their hockey.  You must have forgot about the N.Y. fans who 
>     cheered when Mario Lemieux was intentionally injured by Adam Graves.

I don't know what he forgot but I must have forgotten the Graves injury
you mentioned. I do remember something about a common slash to the
gloved hand that resulted in a minor injury that kept Mario out for only
a few games - I think it had something to do with the Pitt. organization
exaggerating the severity of the injury in an effort to get what they
wanted - which of course they did....

			gln



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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: SENATORS NEWS: Training camp roster
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.050015.13508@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson) writes:
> As promised, here is the Senators Training Camp Roster as printed
> in last Friday's Ottawa Citizen.
> 
> Jelinek, Tomas		RW

  Well, keep eye on him! He played well in Czechoslovakia's national team.
  And was the 7th best goal scorer in the Finnish league ...

  Hannu 
> 
> Later,
> 
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Announcing the Sixth Annual USENET Hockey Draft
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:19:59 GMT

In article <9209102014.AA11610@skul.USask.CA> 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
>From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
>Message-ID: <1992Sep10.175011.2686@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
>>Andrew, why are you moving the minimum price...this will make things
>>more boring...please keep it at 50, or even better lower it to 45 or
>>40, which would really make things exciting.  By raising it to 60
>>for only a 4 game increase, you are taking a lot of players out of
>>play...and thus make skill in player-picking less important.
>
>For this season only, it's probably better to raise the minimum; there are a
>number of new Russians who can probably easily score more than 50 points in 84
>scheduled games this season.  After this season, a more fair price structure
>for Russians can be derived, and hence, there may not be a need to raise the
>minimum price, which is also the price for first-year players.  In addition,
>the new NHL rules will probably allow for greater offensive production from many
>players.  A 55-point minimum would be a good compromise for this season.
>
>I won't be taking part in the Draft myself, BTW.
>

Apart from the two expansion teams, there should be a lot more parity
in the NHL this year which should depress scoring.  Secondly, Europeans
playing in the NHL their first season are good for only sixty games.

We didn't see Pavel burn out like Fedorov and Lidstrom did, because he
missed the first 25 games.

The amount of scoring the Europeans are going to do is exagerrated...
very few first year players, European or North American get 60
points (or say 55 points in an 80 game schedule)...raising the
threshold 20% the risk a lot greater and the "profit" potential
a lot less for gambling on players.

Who exactly are these new Europeans who are going to get better than
.75 ppg...Winnipeg is a team-play-oriented club...Selanne and Zhamnov
are not likely to be played till they drop, and they are probably the
two best new Europeans.  Kovalev in the Rangers has Amonte and Gartner
ahead of him on right wing and a defensive boring coach in Nielson
who'll likely give Tie Domi more icetime than him.  (Kamensky already
has a price based on last years performance I think)

I think 60 points is too much, and have suggested to Andrew that
he reconsider or at least only raise the threshold to 55.

If anyone has strong opinions either way, you should send him
a message...I don't want to overly bias anyone.

Part of the problem is just work...if this group were able to
get quick accurate weekly NHL statistics on-line to Andrew so he could
automate further his update procedure...I think he could be convinced
not to change.

Does anyone have access to any of the new-services on line or
through a bulletin board and do they carry weekly NHL statistics
on a timely basis?

Gerald
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From: layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield)
Subject: Re: LINDROS
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:42:34 GMT

In article <92Sep9.115243edt.143@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:

[ Stuff Deleted ]

>They list him as 6ft. 4ins. and 245 lbs. I'm sure he'll have to
>prove himself as all rookies do. It'll be interesting to see

[ More Stuff Deleted ]

  He'll have to prove himself as all rookies do?  I think he is way past
  the point of having to "Prove" himself consiering the Lindros fiasco and
  the salary they are going to pay him.

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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Subject: USENET Hockey Draft - Proposed Rule Change
Reply-To: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:35:06 GMT


I've had a couple of comments in email, and apparently there's been some
talk in rec.sport.hockey, about my decision to raise the minimum purchase
price of players from 50.0 to 60.0.  I'd like to get some more comments
as I might change my mind on this.

Our newsfeed from 'alberta' sucks, so please cc: me via email on any
discussion, as I probably won't see it posted.  Also, those articles
will expire here before I get back from the Carribean.


Gerald Olchowy wrote and asked:
> Why are you raising the minimum price to 60?
> 
> For only a four game increase, this will take a lot of players out
> of play compared to the 50 point threshold, and will make the pool
> at lot less active and make skill in player picking much less 
> important. 

I wanted to increase it from 50 for two reasons:

1) the longer schedule put more players over the minimum
2) I had to update ~220 players each week last year

I didn't want to update hundreds of players each week.  I figured that with
121 players of more than 60.0, many players close enough that they would be
picked, and some strong rookies, that there would end up with about 180
players in the database, which is more manageable for me.

I will consider changing it to 55 if that is more acceptable to the majority
of players, although I'd like to keep it at 60.  If we democratically make
the change (although I have a veto...), I'll retroactively alter the teams
already entered that would be affected.

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From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FIFTY GOAL SCORERS
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:13:50 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Here are my predictions on who will score fifty goals this year
in the NHL.

Brett Hull - as usual
Pavel Bure - if not fifty, then high 40's
Kevin Stevens - best left winger in game
Pat LaFontaine - if he stays healthy

Will come close:
Eric LIndros
uc Robitaille
Jaromir Jagr
Owen Nolan
Steve Yzerman
Pierre Turgeon
ry Roberts
Cam Neely
Dimitri 
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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: CHILL NOT OUT!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:49:44 GMT


	It became OFFICIAL yesterday, Columbus, Ohio will keep it's Chill
for at least one more year! The Fairgrounds officials were able to successfuly
shuffle other commitments to different locations to accomidate the Chill for
the month of Feb. 1993.
	Fan support for the Chill have been overwelming! There has even been
talk of constructing a sports complex in Columbus, Ohio just for this
type of situation.
	Alas, the real question is.. Will we still have the same problem next
year? If so, I would expect the Chill and Columbus Hockey, to pack their
skates for a more co-operative City and Arena.




	

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:16:31 -0400 
From: Etan Shalom Diamond <ed16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Lindros's Linemates?

Hey, does anyone know who will be playing alongside Eric Lindros for the
Flyers this year?

Thanks.

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Dept. of History
Carnegie Mellon University
ed16@andrew.cmu.edu

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: SCA Left In Cold
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:25:18 GMT

From the _Chicago Tribune_ today:

SportsChannel America lost in its bid to continue its television relationship
with the NHL. In a decision handed down by Shirley Fingerhood in New York,
SportsChannel was denied a preliminary injunction that would have let the
network bid on the same TV deal the NHL struck with ESPN last week.

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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sharks vs. Kings at Arco Arena?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:48:24 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

In <1992Sep09.225245.4223@ecst.csuchico.edu>, Bob Dickman writes:

>Has anyone heard anything about this game?  Tickets? When? How much?

If the Sharks and Kings are playing in Sacramento, it's a pre-season game.
The Sharks will be playing two regular season games in Arco Arena.  They will
be against the Rangers and the Canadiens, I believe.  I'm assuming you'd have
to go through normal distribution channels (Sharks ticket office/BASS outlets?)
to get tickets for these events.

Does anyone know if the Sharks games in Sacramento (or any "neutral-site" game)
are included in the season ticket package?  I don't think they are.  Would that
leave 15,000 or so tickets for sale to the general public?


Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: bprisco@shearson.com (Bobby Prisco)
Subject: Re: Hockey Poll
Reply-To: bprisco@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:23:08 GMT


1. The Rangers have a good shot again they kept their goalies and added more speed.
	last year really hurt me.

2. I really do not think the helmet is used to score goals. So it probably is a no factor. However I am in favor of the helmet.

3. Hard to pick one:  Cam Neeley, Brett Hull, Messier (still) 
	I'm talking NHL not World.
 


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:14:58 -0400 
From: Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Best Forwards Ever/PENS #2



Stan Fischler is undoubtedly correct in ranking (Francis, Jagr, Lemiuex)
and (Mullen, Stevens, Tocchet) as the second best 6 man forward unit in
NHL history.  Notice that he gives the 91-92 Penguins unit 6 stars,
while giving the Edmonton and Islander dynasty 6 man forward unit only 4
stars.  I also think that Fischler is correct in saying that the Pens
have a chance to match the "consistency and arsenal of the 1956-1960
Canadiens."  Fischler also states that "there are no longer any doubts
Mario Lemiuex is the world's best hockey player."--if Stan would have
read r.s.h. or my mailbox, he would have read letters from about 30
doubters.  

Stan, Keep telling it like it is!

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