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From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell")
Subject: DG Mailing List now alive
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:45:31 GMT


Hello DGers,

I have decided, for the time being, that perhaps a DG mailing list is a 
good idea. I got several replies and have added some names (you know
who you are).

This by no means is any guarentee how long it will live, that is up to
you, and the other subscribers.  If the list stays active, she lives.

It also may be a little hairy at first, you may get bounces, or dups (I
wouldn't know why at this point, however some other lists I'm have seemed 
to have these teething pains).

The list is called dg-users and is located at ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca 

To post a message, simply mail to dg-users@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca or
uunet!van-bc!ilinx!dg-users

All administrivia should go to dg-users-request@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca  or 
uunet!van-bc!ilinx!dg-users-request this includes requests to be added
to the list.  Mail a message with the following somewhere in the body

add: <your email address>

Please be sure your address is reachable reliably!!

If all else fails, my (the moderator, adminstrator, or whatever you want
to call it) email address is brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca or
uunet!van-bc!ilinx!brian

Obviously, please let me know of any problems you may have with the list!!

regards,
brian
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Brian J. Murrell                                        brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca
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From: zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: software for Aviion
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:28:49 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

I think this is the right group - hell I only got the thing a week ago!
  
There is lots of nice stuff out there on ftp sites.  Will it work on
my Aviion?
  
For example. I want the gnu postscript clone stuff ghostwriter.  Do I 
need to find sources and recompile?  IT seems that most of the stuff
on the net is compiled on Suns.  Does it make a difference?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell")
Subject: Re: Connecting a terminal to a Data General?
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:08:36 GMT

hinkle@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Hinkle) writes:


>  I am trying to connect a terminal to the RS232 port on my Data General
>(running DG/UX 5.4.1) without luck.  

have fun!!

>  I have added tty00 and ttymon1 through sysadm but I am not sure what else I
>have to do to be able to use the terminal.

assuming it was added right (not too much you can do wrong as long as you use
the "express terminal" utility under sysadm->device->port->terminal) it should
go.

>  I am not sure of the position of the pins on the cable as well.  Anyone have
>an idea on this?

this is very likely your problem.  dg have had a history (IMHO) of having wierd
problems with the integrated duarts.

easiest thing to do is order thier "terminal" cable.
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Brian J. Murrell                                        brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca
InterLinx Support Services, Inc.                        uunet!van-bc!ilinx!brian
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From: hinkle@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Hinkle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Connecting a terminal to a Data General?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:57:50 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci


  I am trying to connect a terminal to the RS232 port on my Data General
(running DG/UX 5.4.1) without luck.  

  I have added tty00 and ttymon1 through sysadm but I am not sure what else I
have to do to be able to use the terminal.

  I am not sure of the position of the pins on the cable as well.  Anyone have
an idea on this?

Any hints or pointers?  

Steven Hinkle
From: jkenton@world.std.com (Jeff Kenton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: Thanks!  Now a new question...
Keywords: 88110 ship date
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:16:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.Bs7Jqu.E6K
Organization: Kenton Systems Corporation, Weston MA


In article < ... > chris@tessi.com (Chris Lamb) writes:
>
>
>But since this is the 88k group, I'm wondering why there isn't much
>discussion about the 88110...though I don't check in here that often, it
>seems odd that I haven't heard much news about this at all.  So, has the
>'110 seen first silicon?  Or is it still months away?


I have posted the same question here from time to time.  The answer (still)
seems to be that certain customers have seen samples and some information
has been presented, but all the interesting details are still known only
under non-disclosure agreements.  The chip is not yet generally available,
and perhaps not (I'm not sure) officially announced.

Anyone else know something? Motorola? Michael Slater?



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From: pa@verano.sba.ca.us (Pierre Asselin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: Connecting a terminal to a Data General?
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:47:56 GMT
Organization: None.  Santa Barbara, CA

In <Bs24GF.1F8@acsu.buffalo.edu> hinkle@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Hinkle) writes:


>  I am trying to connect a terminal to the RS232 port...

>  I am not sure of the position of the pins on the cable as well.
> Anyone have an idea on this?

Um, go to Radio Shack and buy a "null modem".  The RS232 std makes a
difference between "Data Terminal Equipment" and "Data Communication
Equipment".  You're dealing with two DTE's and you can't connect them
directly.  The null modem is just a passive component that straps a
few lines together and permutes others.  A handy thing to have.
-- 

--Pierre Asselin, Santa Barbara, California
  pa@verano.sba.ca.us
From: zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: DG users out there??
Keywords: DG
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:35:43 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell") writes:

>So who all reading this group are DG users??  What are your thoughts??

>any postitive ("I have a DG __________ running DG/UX ______) welcome.

I have a Aviion 5200 running DG/UX 5.4.1 and Universe.

My first Unix box, though I've been running MVs for a while.

So far so good, although we had a dud board from new (the one the modem 
runs from) and some stuff was a while in getting here.

Small note - who designed those silly VME clusters?  You can't 
rack them as the wires all come out the top.  They have a 
wall hanging rack, but that's no good if they aren't near a wall!
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From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell")
Subject: DG mailing list - anyone interested??
Keywords: dg mailing list
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:05:51 GMT

Is there a mailing list concerned with issues surrounding DG machines and/or
it's O/S DG/UX.  

If not, would starting one be a good idea??  How many of us are out there
and have UUCP/INTERNET connections??

I've never ran a list, however would be willing to give it a go if there is
enough interest from all of you out there.

brian

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Brian J. Murrell                                        brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca
InterLinx Support Services, Inc.                        uunet!van-bc!ilinx!brian
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: chris@tessi.com (Chris Lamb)
Subject: Details on Aviion hardware
Summary: DG to sell NeXT systems; an Aviion port in the works?
Keywords: details details details
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:27:39 GMT


I just read that DG has signed an agreement to sell NeXT workstations!  With
all the rumors flying that the NRW (NeXT RISC Workstation) is a dual-88110
box, it surprises me that I haven't seen anything in this group about it.
But now with the DG deal, I'm wondering if they're cooking up a licensing
agreement to port NeXTSTEP...

In any event, I got something about the Aviions from DG a long, long time
ago, and can't find it anywhere.  Would someone please send me a brief
summary of some of the models in the line, and what features they sport?

I've had some experience on Eclipses, Novas, and even on an MV/10000, but
the Aviions seemed like the first DG box that had the potential to really
sell...what happened?  No marketing?  Perhaps a port of NeXTSTEP would make
them too attractive and distract customers from NeXT's own hardware...but it
sure would be neat to have a quad-processor box to run NS3.0 on!

Just curious,

-- chris@tessi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: edmonds@cs.ubc.ca (Brian Edmonds)
Subject: VMEbus
Summary: How does one use it?
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:12:15 GMT

I'm supposed to be looking into communications between two 88k
hypermodules over a VMEbus, and was told that the topic had been
discussed here.  Could someone please post or mail me a summary of the
discussion, as well as any references which could help me figure out
what I'm doing? :)

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Brian Edmonds (MSc CompSci)                          edmonds@cs.ubc.ca
From: ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: DG users out there??
Keywords: DG
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:15:08 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 82b0320a648779fe670e399df0486f6b

In article <1992Jul28.001036.2226@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca> brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell") writes:
>So who all reading this group are DG users??  What are your thoughts??

	I've been using mostly the Opus Systems PM-400 "88k workstation
on a PC-card" platform, and been fairly happy.

	On this last round of workstation hunting, the boss wanted a
more capable machine, so we configured, priced and got a DG Aviion 4620,
dual-cpu server with 64MB RAM and 1 GB of disk.

	It's been an enlightening experience :-)

	At the moment, I can't make it talk NFS to any of the Opus
machines, and SysVr4 is a taking a bit of getting used to.

	The DG folks that I have talked to are pretty nice, but I've not
made much use of their services,        yet!

	We like the DG so far, it runs BCS/OCS binaries flawlessly, so
we aren't hampered by the lack of a FORTRAN compiler.

				Greg Woodbury
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From: elig@techunix.technion.ac.il (Eli Gros)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Connecting a teminal ...
Keywords: Aviion
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:55:24 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

If you use DG terminal (Dasher) and you connect only pins 2,3,7
then use jumper on pins 4-5 and 6-8-20.
Eli Gros

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright)
Subject: Re: diskless server advice
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:45:41 GMT

larryt@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Larry Thompson) writes:
>This has actually been talked about ALOT (both in this notes group and some
>HP internal notes groups). The series 800 machines will not support diskless
>in 9.0! If you need a diskless server that is running 9.0 you must use
>a series [347]00.

All the discussion must have been on the HP-only group.  I haven't heard
a thing about this before, and I read everything here (in hopes of finding
some tidbit of patch info! :-)

--
Jim Wright
jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu
Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope Corp.
From: slu@paul.rutgers.edu (shen lu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: /usr/adm/diag ?
Keywords: /usr/adm/diag, HP-UX 8.02
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:23:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Dear Netters:

   I noticed that there were a lot of big files in the directory
   /usr/adm/diag, by name of LOG00**. (Our systems is a HP817S
   Running HP-UX 8.02. ) . 
   What are there files? Is there any reason to keep those files?
   They sum up to a total about 20 megas. 

   Thanks for respance.


   slu@paul.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jaenicke@emserver.ee.tu-berlin.de (Lutz Jaenicke)
Subject: Re: Parallel port compatibility problems?
Organization: TU-Berlin, Institut fuer Elektrische Maschinen
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.160927.17532@ncube.com> russell@ncube.com writes:
>This is true on the above systems.  Unfortunately, there is apparently NO
>way of changing this on the 700 series.  Why not?
>
>The Centronics standard is not the IBM PC parallel standard -- but they
>are very close.  Many printers are designed to automatically handle
>either one, so you don't care.  Most parallel drivers are designed to be
>able to drive either "standard".  The 700 series lacks this ability.  :^(
>I want to connect a Dataproducts LZR1560 to my 750 parallel port. 
>Unfortunately, this printer only talks IBM PC parallel.  :^( again!
>
>I care because I need a Postscript printer that can handle 8.5x11 and
>11x17.  My only options appear to be the QMS ($$$) or the Dataproducts.
>So, got any solutions for us 700 series folks?
>
>Russell Randolph
>nCUBE, Beaverton, Oregon
>russell@ncube.com

I had the problem with the parallel port on an 710, too. At least our
Kyocera laser printer seems reacts not on the falling but on the
rising edge of "strobe_not". I "fixed"^1 this problem with a 74ACT00
in a dongle box (all together <3$), which inverts the strobe line
and hence makes a rising edge from falling one. The IC is supplied
by the printers "select" line which is high during normal printer
operation.

It works for me for some weeks now without problems, even though I
would strongly encourage HP to make the parallel port like the
PC one's, at least I want to have a switch to decide on my own.

	Lutz
^1 Please refer to my .sig to see, that 1. I should now at least a
little bit about electronics and 2. I am working in a university,
what gives me time to solder my own solutions, because I am payed
anyway, so my time isn't worth any money compared to a $20 
commercial solution. :-)
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From: B03@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Volker Weinberger)
Subject: Re: /usr/adm/diag ?
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:50:09 CET

In article <Brt6r8.9Lq@cup.hp.com>
wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone) writes:

>
>slu@paul.rutgers.edu (shen lu) writes:
>:
>: Dear Netters:
>:
>:    I noticed that there were a lot of big files in the directory
>:    /usr/adm/diag, by name of LOG00**. (Our systems is a HP817S
>:    Running HP-UX 8.02. ) .
..
>Have HP Support review the log files.
>
On a 720 under 8.05, I can review these file myself using
/usr/diag/bin/DUI     and the LOGTOOL
It has help facilities.
- Volker                  ... disclaimers apply
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: houten@prso.pttnwb.nl (K. van Houten)
Subject: Re: Memory fault from "w"
Keywords: w memory fault
Organization: PTT Telecom b.v. The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.182740.23987@gdwest.gd.com>, good@gdwest.gd.com (CWP 570499236 Good) writes:
|> I'm having a problem where the "w" command always gives a "Memory fault"
|> when I run the "w" command.  Here's what I'm running it on:
|> 
|> HP-UX cae900 B.08.00 B 9000/350 
|> 
|> Here's what I get:
|> 
|> {375} $ w
|>  11:29am  up 7 days,  1:04,  11 users,  load average: 1.02, 0.61, 0.47
|> User     tty           login@  idle   JCPU   PCPU  what
|> Memory fault
|> {376} $
|> 
|> I've checked the utmp file, and it seems to be OK. Any ideas?

Hp says w(1) is unsupported, but they have a working version, 
as a non-standard patch. Ask for it.

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From: acmeyer@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan C. Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: adjustable arrays 720's f77
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:13:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In comp.sys.hp, simon@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (simon shields) writes:

> I am having problems compiling fortran 77 programs I wrote on an 800
> series that made use of adjustable arrays. I won't compile on the
> 720's we have. 
> 
> The machine I'm using is
> HP-UX giaec A.08.07 A 9000/720 2001133857

	...

>       SUBROUTINE graph (coords, curves, fname)
>       EXTERNAL fill the array
>       INTEGER coords, curves
>       LOGICAL fill the array
>       CHARACTER fname*(*)
> -->>> REAL xdra (coords,curves), ydra (coords, curves),tr(curves)

The arrays xdra, ydra and tr are *automatic* arrays, not adjustable arrays
(automatics are local arrays of non-constant size, and adjustables are
dummy arguments of non-constant size).

S800 Fortran supports automatic arrays, also calling them dynamic arrays.
At 8.07, the S700 compiler does not support this feature.  However, they
have been implemented and will ship with the next S700 release.

Until then, one workaround, which will involve changing the source, would
be to use the Cray pointer feature to dynamically allocate the arrays.  So,
change:

       SUBROUTINE graph (coords, curves, fname)
       INTEGER coords, curves
       REAL xdra (coords,curves), ydra (coords, curves),tr(curves)

to
       SUBROUTINE graph (coords, curves, fname)
       INTEGER coords, curves
       POINTER (ipxdra, xdra(coords,curves))
       POINTER (ipydra, ydra(coords,curves))
       POINTER (iptr, tr(curves))

       ipxdra = MALLOC(coords*curves*4)
       ipydra = MALLOC(coords*curves*4)
       iptr = MALLOC(curves*4)

       ! reference xdra, ydra and tr as usual

       ...
       FREE(ipxdra)
       FREE(ipydra)
       FREE(tr)
       END

Alan Meyer
Hewlett-Packard
Colorado Language Lab
acmeyer@fc.hp.com

"These are my own opinions ..."
From: wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: /usr/adm/diag ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:09:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.Brt6r8.9Lq
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

slu@paul.rutgers.edu (shen lu) writes:
: 
: Dear Netters:
: 
:    I noticed that there were a lot of big files in the directory
:    /usr/adm/diag, by name of LOG00**. (Our systems is a HP817S
:    Running HP-UX 8.02. ) . 
:    What are there files? Is there any reason to keep those files?

These files contain records logged by the kernel drivers (the diagnostic
logging system writes its own records to these files if it is having
problems).  From the size of your files it sounds like your system has a
recurring problem (e.g., a SCSI bus with termination or cable length
problems, a disk with hardware or media problems, use of a DDS with
dirty heads or worn tape, an improperly configured diagnostic system).
Have HP Support review the log files.
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:16:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: trouble with HP-UX software support : solution idea
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


The suggestions you made are good and interesting.  Let it be
known that those of us in HP support that build tools like
support.mayfield are reading notes and are tracking the
comments and ideas that other HP entities and especially
our customers are making.

We are currently nearing the end of an investigation into
possible alternatives for providing proactive patching
features to our customers.  Some features of this program
will be rolling out over the next (approximately) 6-12 months.

Keep the inputs coming, and watch for some new features to
help with your patching needs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: stravers@muresh.et.tudelft.nl (Paul Stravers)
Subject: Recipe: how to hook a cheap disk to an 9000/817
Reply-To: stravers@donau.et.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology, the Netherlands
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:06:03 GMT

As far as I can judge, the hp 97560 disk is equivalent to the "officially"
(on a 9000/817) supported disk C2474S. Both are 1.35 GByte, have same access
times, etc. Only the price is different: the C2474S is more than two times as
expensive as the 97560.

So I decided to buy two 97560 disks... But I had a hard time hooking 'm to the
9000/817 (hpux 8.02). I could run "mediainit", "dd" and even "diskinfo" with
the disk, but no way to run "newfs" or "mkfs". It just would die with a write
error.

The final solution to this problem involved three steps.

 (1). Rename (or copy) the disktab entry for C2474S to 97560-300.  (The string
      "97560-300" is returned by the "diskinfo" program.)

 (2). Take an emacs (or any other editor capable of processing binary images)
      and start editing the kernel /hp-ux !!!! Replace (in overwrite mode) the
      strings "C2474S" and "C2474S_sizes" by "97560-300" and "97560-300_sizes"
      respectively.

 (3). Reboot.

Only after performing these hacks I managed to run "newfs" on the 97560 disk...
The 817 has been up and running with the 97560 disks for almost a week now,
without any problems. I also performed the above mentioned step (2) on the file
/etc/conf/lib/libhp-ux.a so that building a new kernel automatically
incorporates the 97560 entries in the kernel tables.

Paul Stravers
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