HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:49:42 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram") writes:

>>I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
>>plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.  Most other users can simply
>>hit the "d" key or whatever their mailer uses to delete a message.
>>

>Please.. the British poster does not represent the views of the majority of
>brits.. I think he came from an academic site, which in the UK often explains
>a lot.

Oh I know. :-) Don't overlook the modifiers "delicate" and "pussy".  All other
Brits are OK, of course.  I agree as to the origin.

John
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: c1dje@watson.ibm.com (David Edelsohn)
Subject: Re: distribution of local hierarchies
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 17:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: c1dje@tweetie (David Edelsohn)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

	First, I understand limiting which hierarchies the Watson feed
receives by not having "/all" in our sys file.  That is not my point.  I am
trying to generate a discussion about whether the "Distribution" header
field does have and/or should have any meaning.  I am interested in the
opinions of both leaf and backbone nodes about the local hierarchies that
they propagate.
	I personally find the regional hierarchies very interesting and do
not wish to see them removed, but I feel that I should bring them up for
discussion as well because I do not want to impose my own distinction.  I
do not want the backbones sites to act as censors because it is impossible
to determine where to draw the line, but I want to get feedback from the
net about these issues as well.
	Do the Universities pouring forth local hierarchies know that they
are distributing class, lab, exam, and assignment schedules to the entire
world?  Should their news administrators be notified in the case that they
do not currently realize what newsgroups they feed out?  I don't want a
local newsgroup that some sites find useful to be cut off, but I also don't
want unnecessary net traffic due to ignorance.  I also had hoped to draw
some comments from the sites generating this traffic.

					David
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From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:32:32 GMT
Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1b4vtdINNb7m@early-bird.think.com>, by barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin):
> In article <1992Oct9.153359.4787@miki.pictel.com> wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:
>>Well, I dunno, it seems to me that a flamefest and mailbombing run on
>>everyone who does such a thing will eventually ensure that newcomers
>>will get the word as soon as they get their network connection.  Kind
>>of "Welcome to the net, be sure not to make the following mistakes."
> 
> Where do you expect all these warnings about silly things not do to be
> posted?  It's hard enough providing documentation to new sites about how to
> configure themselves correctly, and this mostly involves the
> administrators.  Even if the networking providers collect all this wisdom
> into reasonable documentation, it probably won't get into the hands of most
> of the users, and they're the ones who make these mistakes.

Where?  News.announce.newusers comes to mind.   To resurrect an old
suggestion of mine, _all_ newsreader programs should *force* readers to
subscribe to n.a.n as the very *first* newsgroup they ever see.
(Perhaps as the *only* newsgroup they see on their initial foray into
news.)   This won't _necessarily_ guarantee that new users will behave
themselves, but it will help, IMHO.

As a "reminder service", perhaps all newsreader programs should also
forbid UN-subscription from n.a.n.

Fascistly,
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University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee     UUCP: uunet!uwm!jgd

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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Question about unsolicited Internet Email. 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:06:51 +0000


In article <41fp=s-@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com writes:
>
>I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
>plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.  Most other users can simply
>hit the "d" key or whatever their mailer uses to delete a message.
>

Please.. the British poster does not represent the views of the majority of
brits.. I think he came from an academic site, which in the UK often explains
a lot.

Darren:-)
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (Pete French)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:03:44 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

>I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
>plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.

really ? I suggest you find out a couple of things :

1) what the internet is
2) how mail works

what a twerp!

-bat.
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: ckchiu@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (CHIU Chong-kan)
Subject: How to change News server ?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:59:42 GMT


Our news server only subscribe a number of news groups.  As a user,
is there any way for me to change the server (connect to another
server) ?

Please E-mail to me !  All help appreciated !!!

C.K.Chiu 
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: simmdan@ux1.isu.edu (Daniel Simmons)
Subject: Re: Read News via NNTP or NFS...?
Keywords: nntp nfs
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:07:59 GMT

In article <schwager.718566882@mike.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager) writes:
>Greetings News Gurus,
>What is faster, better, more efficient:
>
>To mount our News partition on all our machines read-only, and have the
>news clients (rn and nn) go directly to the files to read the groups (they
>would still post via nntp-based inews), or;
>
>To have the news clients all go through nntp to read articles?

I finally set down and wrote out the beginnings of a News.Admin.
Technical FAQ file today.  I told the net I would do this eventually
way back during the summer.  I still haven't really done it up right,
but since this question is FREQUENTLY asked and has been discussed in
detail in News.Admin.Technical, I decided it was high time for a
comprehensive answer.

Anyway, this first draft of the FAQ has gone to the moderator of n.a.t.
You should (most likely) see it there shortly.

Danny



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From: schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Read News via NNTP or NFS...?
Summary: nntp nfs
Keywords: nntp nfs
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:54:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: mike.schwager.718566882
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL


Greetings News Gurus,
What is faster, better, more efficient:

To mount our News partition on all our machines read-only, and have the
news clients (rn and nn) go directly to the files to read the groups (they
would still post via nntp-based inews), or;

To have the news clients all go through nntp to read articles?

Inquiring minds want to know.  Thanks!
-Mike
aka, Mike Schwager               |"I think we don't have ideology.
INTERNET:schwager@cs.uiuc.edu    | We don't have theology.
                                 | We dance."        -Japanese Shinto Priest
University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., for whom I do not speak
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Articles rejected at news.uu.net during the past week
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:40:19 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

it looks from the reject notices that a whole bunch of articles from
the ex-soviet union got rejected in the last week.  is this a slow
feed starting up, a sign that it really does take 14 days to get news
out, or a bunch of people running with really wrong clocks?

--Ed
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:34:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

[RP White's Followup-To: of talk.bizzare and misc.test ignored]

In article <6488@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil>
   rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) doodled:

> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>
> >I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident
> >soon...
>
> I suppose it is too much to hope for that they would take the U.K off INTERNET
> so that people like Clive would no longer get their little feelings hurt
> by an incident like this.

A large proportion of the UK (academic community at least) is not yet on
the Internet (including this site, Aberystwyth), although the number of
establishments on JIPS (JANET IP Service) is growing at a healthy rate. 

So do you mean they shouldn't be on Usenet, shouldn't have mail access,
or shouldn't complain (or do anything) about incidents which violate the
acceptable use policies for JANET ?

Chris
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: Re: Articles rejected at news.uu.net during the past week
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:10:33 GMT

emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:

>a whole bunch of articles from
>the ex-soviet union got rejected in the last week.  is this a slow
>feed starting up, a sign that it really does take 14 days to get news
>out, or a bunch of people running with really wrong clocks?

Of the reject notices, about half were from
{adma,alena,fatinc,garant,telitek,venture}.msk.su and were dated from
1979 through 1988.  Usenet was rare in the Soviet Union in 1979, so I'd
guess that these are really wrong clocks.  Someone should fix them.

The other rejects were from kremvax.hq.demos.su or ruscap.msk.su and
were dated 5 through 7 September 1992; or they were from tofis.nnov.su
and were dated 7 through 8 August 1992.  Since the uunet cutoff date
started at 28 September, it's unlikely that this was a slow feed -- if
so, we should have seen more rejects closer to the cutoff date.  I'd
guess that a few old news batches escaped near Moscow sometime last
week.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Read News via NNTP or NFS...?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:52:58 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <schwager.718566882@mike.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager) writes:
>What is faster, better, more efficient:
>
>To mount our News partition on all our machines read-only, and have the
>news clients (rn and nn) go directly to the files to read the groups (they
>would still post via nntp-based inews), or;
>
>To have the news clients all go through nntp to read articles?

It depends.

Really.  That seems to be the answer.  Different sites report different
results; it seems to depend on details.
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Warning!  Fidonet site runs riot, gifs at 11!
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:49:58 GMT

I just saw a posting by Henry Spencer in news.admin that I swear I'd already
seen today.  So I checked, and it came from
Henry.Spencer@f1.something.something.nl

Unless Henry has gotten awfully mobile lately, I can only assume it's the
monthly "PC BBS echos all the posts back out to the world" screwup.

I've sent mail to root and postmaster at that site.  Remain calm.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, News Administrator Extraordinaire.  (pt@geovision.gvc.com)
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: emcguire@Intellection.COM (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: Junk mail pests
Supersedes: <EMCGUIRE.92Oct9183612@fuller.Intellection.COM>
Organization: Intellection Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:58:43 GMT

In article <2acdb1ea.cursci@cursci.UUCP> gtoal@cursci.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

   If this sort of thing isn't stomped on when it starts the nets will
   become unusable.

DOTN predicted.  Hitler rumored to be alive.  Details at eleven.
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Xref: sparky news.admin:7933 alt.config:6144
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.config
Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:38:43 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com> writes:

>- Since it would require positive action on my part to stop the weekly
>  rmgroups, it's not likely that I'll "back down".  Not so much
>  pig-headedness as simple automation.  There are of course conditions
>  under which I'd shut it down.  Three months without any forged
>  newgroups would do it.

This sets a bad example and leads to things like Bandy's idiot script.

Here at Oracle, we honor newgroups and ignore rmgroups. That won't change
no matter how often you rmgroup alt.graphics.

Pretty inconsiderate, Jef.

-- richard

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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Junk mail pests
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:45:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: resonex.1992Oct8.164504.22632
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <TTB4RB1w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>gtoal@cursci.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>> This is a copy of a letter I've sent to postmaster@emory.edu
>
>And it's followed by a full quote of the offending e-mail.  This is the
>second such _full quote_ I have seen in this thread.

Well, Graham's article is the start of the thread "Junk mail pests",
and yours is a "Re:" to that.  His is the only full or partial quote I
can find in the thread.  Perhaps the other was in another thread of
the same topic, which I've apparently missed.  You can't fault Graham
for posting info already posted to his thread.  Even if it was already
in another thread, perhaps that article hadn't arrived before he
posted, or was in another group that Graham doesn't get.  It's the
nature of Usenet that topical things sometimes get posted multiple
times before the information is thoroughly disseminated.  It's nothing
to get upset about.

>I, too, can easily delete unwanted e-mail... but this is news.  Would
>you care to explain why you have posted exactly that which you objected
>to receiving via e-mail?  If you didn't want to read it, and you truly
>believe it violates net.guidelines, why do you perpetuate it?

Personally, I think it was perfectly acceptable to post the contents,
for those of us who never had the misfortune of seeing the original
in email.  His complaints carry more weight by containing proof of
the subject he's complaining about.

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From: hltutu@uta.fi (Tuija Tusa)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: I need your help
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:44:12 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

I need answers to the following simple questions?

1) What weaknesses are in this 'Read News -program'

2) How often you read the News?

3) What's your favorite (1-3) newsgproups?

4) Do you use this program for getting help your problems or
   just reading news or both of?

5) If you need help, where you look for it? 
   
Thanks for you help, I'll need your answers for my studies.

- Tuija


Newsgroups: news.admin
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: News Question (plea for info)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:50:17 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <19921008192004.h198@hosp.med.umich.edu> <h198@hosp.med.umich.edu>  (Gene Mangum) writes:
>... I'm writing a DOS newsreader client and I have a question
>that I haven't been able to answer by RTFRFC.   My question is: What
>is the maximum article number within a newsgroup, and what happens
>when a group reaches that max?   Do the numbers wrap to 1 or are the
>existing articles renumbered?

There is no maximum.  In principle, the numbers continue to grow without
limit.  In practice, when they get big enough to look negative when
stored in a 32-bit signed integer, we're probably in trouble.  That won't
happen for a while yet, though.  Even talk.politics.misc is only in the
early 100k range on utzoo (which has been on Usenet essentially since
the beginning).

(Note:  *don't* use a 16-bit integer for article numbers!)
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:53:30 GMT

In <Bw06vM.40J@alsvid.une.edu.au> mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859) writes:

>From article <Bvr7oK.C8D@umassd.edu>, by stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt):
>> In <1159@bazooka.amb.org> news@bazooka.amb.org (Usenet News Account) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> But based purely on the subject, I have to agree.  Will the Powers
>> That Be please track down the cretin who's forging the newgroups
>> and force a clue down his throat?

>	I know we are not all running C-news but. All that's necessary
>to stop alt.graphics is alias it to comp.graphics and then forget
>about it.

From that point of view, alt.graphics was "stopped" the day I edited
the old cnews newgroup script to filter out alt requests from being
automatically handled, and continued to be "stopped" when I created a
newgroupperm file for the new cnews indicating the same policy.  The
status of that group isn't being changed by those articles at this
site.  What I want to see "stopped" is the mail messages I receive
about this, the forging of control messages, and the concept of
non-removable alt groups.

Jef Poskanzer's automated rmgroups are a pain, but at least they
aren't forgeries and there's a small amount of logic to his position.
I still want to see a clue forced into the anatomy of the person
forging the newgroups (apparently Bruce Becker), if not down his
throat then up the other end which appears to be a more direct route
to his brain anyway.
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:14:52 GMT

In article <Bw14G7.LI5@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:

>I do not suggest modifying
>newgroup to bounce the mail back to the sender, since I believe the
>From: line on the messages is Jeff Pozkanzer's address.

However, modifying it to bounce the mail to root@becker.uucp would not
cause Jef this harassment.

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From: Henry.Spencer@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Henry Spencer)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: C News ctl/newgroup script isn't very careful!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:35:24 -0100

Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Oct12.222725.6167@robohack.UUCP> woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods) writes:
>The following control message arrived today, and C News' newgroup
>script duitifully appended a line to the active file with an empty
>blank line!

Tsk tsk, you're running an obsolete version. :-)  The Performance Release
newgroup script rejected that one (although admittedly it was unexpected,
and could have been handled better).
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Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 08:23:52 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1992Oct7.214049.4056@spcvxb.spc.edu>, terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry
Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:
>  I agree. One of the two people involved in this should know better.

Both of them should. After all, this is in alt. One person's opinion that the
group is invalid carries no more weight than another's that it is. What we have
here is pure pig-headedness from both parties at the expense of the rest of us.
The forgeries are certainly bad form, but we'd have the same argument if the
person did it under his own name. 

I see no real difference between this and Bruce Becker's activities with regards
to keeping alt groups alive, except that most people know Becker won't back
down, so they stop fighting it. Poskanzer could learn from this.
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