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From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Solarz lost. Now what?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:14:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1992Oct8.015545.27252@unixg.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>  Another misfortune for India is that the only other India lobbyist
>Congressman Dymally has retired. However, every cloud has a silver lining.
>The two Congressmen who have been most hostile to India are Wally Herger (CA)
>and Dan Burton (IN). It was earlier reported that both of them were facing
>problems in their campaign for re-election. Does anyone know their present 
>status? Did they get through the primaries?

Well I do not know about Dan Burton, but Wally Herger is the Congressman 
from our area here in Chico in Northern California, and he has a sizable
anti-India Sikh populace in Yuba City, which is bound to get him elected
even now. I wonder how could India Today mention something like the fact
that he is facing a tough battle for election here. In fact in the check
bouncing scandal his name had not even figured and besides he has a good
amount of support from the hardline anti-Indian community here.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Systems Engineering Laboratory, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ***** SHER-O-SHAYARI *****
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:03:40 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
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In article <1619@seqp4.sequoia.com> shirish@sequoiasequoia.com (Shirish Jamthe) writes:
>prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
>: In article <7OCT92.19283738@skyfox.usask.ca> srivastava@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>: >Shero-shayari chahne waalo ko mera Aadaab !!!
>: 
>: 
>: 	Mera janaazaa jo nikalaa, 
>: 	    Saara jahaan saath chalaa,
>: 	Lekin woh nahin chali, 
>: 	    Jiske liye mera janaazaa nikala.
>: 
>: 	Prem!
>
>Agar itne janaaze oote rahein hain to aik aur sahee :
>
>	Phool uus par bhi thei phool mujh par bhi
>	log uskey liay bhi ro rahein theay aur mere liay bhi
>	pharkh sirph itna tha
>	Uski doli uth rahi thi aur meara janaaza.
>
>Shirish

Hi Shayars,

Isee baat pe mujhe ek sher yaad aaya,

Main tere pyaar mein, pyaala bhar kar roya,
Aur tu itnee zaalim nikli, ki usese apna muh dhoya.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aditya@iedv7.acd.com ( Aditya Khatuka (ICTT) )
Subject: Test mail
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:10:43 GMT

test mail please ignore
From: shiang@inland.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Help:  PR interview
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:29:51 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

Hi netters,

My wife is in B-1 visa status.   She is scheduled by IRS for the 
green card interview in her own country because I am in PR status.

My question is -

Would she be required to have the interview in her own country if I were a 
U.S.A. citizen?  Could she be interviewed in U.S.A.?

Any response will be appreciated.  Please send your response to me directly.

Shiang
shiang@inland.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: On our specimen chiefminister Jyothi Basu...
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:03:29 GMT

When a news item (thanks to Bala) on a statewide bundh
sponsored by the govt of Jyothi Basu to protest the center's
liberalization policies appeared on this group, the item of
such importance did not receive further commentary from our
beloved macho liberals of sci. Since a bundh is an instrument
of terrorism against law abiding citizens, I offer this 
postscript on this specific event.

When Jim Callaghan was the primeminister of Britain, there was
a general strike sponsored by the labour movement. The industrial 
action has become known as "the winter of discontent". It all
started with primary industrial action by employees of a specific
employer. The picketing at the site of primary employer spread
to secondary sites, and large scale secondary picketing intimidated
workers to join the industrial action. A simple industrial action
culminated in garbage collectors, truck drivers, port-workers,
rail unions, hospital employess including nurses joining in
the industrial action that crippled the Jim Callaghan's labour
party govt. The "winter of discontent" gave rise to the regime
of Maggie Thatcher. When Thatcher came to power, she understood
the winter of discontent in precise terms; secondary picketing
was responsible for crippling the nation's life. She instituted
laws which make it illegal to conduct secondary picketing. The
laws have teeth; any employer affected by secondary picketing 
can sue the union for damages and these  damages were hefty; 
they can bankrupt a union. On the workers indulging in secondary
picketing, criminal laws of intimidation and tresspassing were
applied. This single step brought the unions to discipline
by curtailing mob behavior and replacing it with the traditional
role of collective bargaining between the employer and the employees.

We should look at our Jyothi Basu's terrorism in this light. The
action sponsored by the state govt of Jyothi Basu is in the 
typical tradition of CPM gooda raj. The workers who participated
in this terroristic act were not conducting any industrial action
per se as definable under the industrial and labour relations act.
It was primarily a secondary action where no single union is at
a dispute with its employer. Thus the employers have to swallow 
hefty losses to sustain the goonda raj of Jyothi Basu.

What can be done! The best way is to criminalize such activity
and make it possible for ordinary law abiding citizens to sue
the unions for hefty sums. To provide further teeth, the burden
of proof that the said secondary action infringed upon the
rights of the citizen should be laid at the door of the unions
and their goonda sponsors. This way we can ensure that ordinary
citizens have their rights protected, while at the same time
permitting legitimate industrial action.

...kt
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Abuse of Usenet Privileges
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:28:29 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

dharam@wpi.WPI.EDU (Dharmendra Khanolkar) writes:
: 
: to compete with WPI postings ). I 'may' agree with you if he sends you
: personal mail the way Nimmi does to almost all of us here at WPI. I
 
 Why are you blaming me here? Show me a single piece of
 mail that I have sent to any of guys/gals at WPI. As per
 my mail to that guy who's father is a GUN, thats a
 different story.

 --SN
: 
: --dhamu
From: sivabala@ohm.ee.washington.edu ( Siva Bala Narayanan 9027936 )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Translation of Kannada Story
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:05:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct15.020542.2776
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Can someone e-mail me a copy of the posting?

Thanks in advance,

Siva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:21:21 GMT

aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) writes:

>Many women netters have posted that they face no harassment in the US
>and a lot in India. While harassment in India is known to occur, I think
>we need the opinion of American women on harassment here. I haven't seen many
>Amrecan men/women interested in Indian women/men. Most don't bother
>much about people of a different race and this could be a reason why the
>Indian women over here are experiencing no unwanted attention on the roads.


Phew. That's a relief. If it's just that American men don't find us
attractive, then we don't have to worry about the harassment levels
ever increasing...that is, until the number of Indian male immigrants
reach a critical mass... (he said it, not me :-))
Given this theory, it's interesting that the non-Indian women who've 
visited India seem to be so surprised at the level of harassment they
faced. 
And it's also interesting to note the number of posters who're more
interested in finding reasons for the relative absence of harassment
in the US than its ubiquity in India.

Susan.
--
Mail from this account is forwarded to susan@vger.niddk.nih.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: India Testing World's 1st Birth-Control Vaccine (A digression)
Keywords: Birth Control Vaccine Test
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.152141.14525@ulysses.att.com> bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>
>apnews reports:
>	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Scientists in India have created the
>world's first birth-control vaccine for women, effective for an
>entire year with a single injection, according to preliminary
>tests.
[deleted]
>	   Talwar's team was spurred on by India's desperate need for an
>answer to the rapid population growth, which is seen as the biggest
>hurdle to this country's emergence from poverty.
[deleted]
>	   India's population could bypass China's early next century by
>growing from 875 million people to 2 billion, according to a new
>study by the Washington-based Population Crisis Committee.
>
>	   ``Our population is the highest priority problem. It decimates
>whatever progress we make,'' said Talwar.

I am quoting from one of the back issues of "India Today" which
carried an extensive interview with J.R.D. Tata. While speaking 
about the population problem of India, Tata revealed that as long back
as in the 1950's, while sharing a forum with the then Prime Minister
Jawaharlal Nehru, he (Tata) spoke about the need to control our 
population. Nehru interrupted Tata and admonished him  saying "A large 
population is an asset for any country".

>	   When he announced plans to work on the vaccine in 1974, he was
>called a crackpot.
>

Well, Nehru thought that Tata was a crackpot while _we_ thought 
(and some of us still do :-( ) that Nehru was a "visionary" (sic).  
The result of that is there for all of us to see! :-( 

[deleted]


>	   He said condoms and pills are not easily available in villages,
>which form 70 percent of India.
>

It is far more easier to get Congress (I) flags and banners carrying 
pictures of the Nehru family ---- our "saviours" and our ONLY "hope" ;-) 
(Of course, all this is funded by the taxpayers).
>

Regards,

--Sudhi.

PS : It is not out of context here to refer to another "India Today"
     article (a cover story in fact), which summarized the Indian 
     Government's Family Planning programme as one of the greatest 
     hoaxes ever...
-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Rent in San Fran
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:58:46 GMT
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct10.235455.17738@newstand.syr.edu>, jkchan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (J. K. Chan) writes:
|> 
|> I am going to move to San Fran., CA in a month or so.  Could someone
|> tell me which area is comparatively safe and inexpensive to live over there?  


	try oregon. i hear its just out of range of the weaponry toted
	by you average californian and just close enough for less than
	a days ride.

|> Any advice or suggestion is appreciated.

	you are welcome. hope this helps,

	peace,

	- ravi

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From: tss@unislc.uucp (Srinivasan Thothathri)
Subject: d
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:05:33 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <1992Oct12.213432.23307@ecrc.de>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:47:39 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.213432.23307@ecrc.de> sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) wr
ites:
>
>The scary part is that almost exactly the same ideas, language, imagery was
>employed by the Nazis 60 years ago -- if we get rid of Jews and gays and 
>communists (which then included such liberals as Willy Brandt, a great hero of

      If you are running out of arguments, don't argue. Bringing in the 
example of Nazis makes no sense. VHP has never said that it will cleanse
India out of Muslims. Just see in Kashmir , who is cleansing whom. Thousands
of Hindus are left on roads in Delhi, forced out of home in their own 
country. Just look up for the figures of Hindu population in Pakistan, and
you will know who is cleansing whom. First it was Kashmir, next it is Kerala,
what will be next, may be your hometown ? What is the solution. Keep on 
making Pakistans out of India till there is no India left. If Hindus don't
learn from History, they will be history. 
     May be the issue of RJB is wrong, but the cause behind it is right.
Hindus have to unite, they have to fight for their existence, because
may be they will not survive the onslaught of Islamic fundamentalism
this time. Why is it that the problem of Kashmir is the problem of whole
Islamic world. India has seen that the type of secularism practiced by
Nehru is unable to protect the Hindus in their own country. See what
Israel is doing in occupied territories. 45 years was a long long time to
change the demography of Kashmir. If only we had allowed Indians outside
Kashmir to settle  there, today we would not have the problem of Kashmir.
As it turns out Nehru was an idiot, not to have allowed so.

Raja  


>--
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>European Computer Industry Research Centre       Off: +49 89 92 69 91 58
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From: srg7178@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (E.T.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: What is this?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:43:47 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


          BOO !
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: a nice joke!!
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:05:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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i had cancelled this article coz i had accidently posted this to some
other newsgroups. i am reposting this again for some of my fellow SCI
readers who i am sure will be interested in reading this article.



>1] I hate to repeat myself but like ravi says the lady needs to seriously
>   look for a sense of humour.

i just read an article in rec.humor which i thought was funny.

Q: how do you compliment a female with no legs and arms?
A: nice tits.


suresh
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: R u one in a million..Take a deep breath
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:23:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In article no. <sdjfhjds> rajiv@mbunix.mitre.org (Kohli) said:
>
>
>In India, if you feel that you are one in a million
>Remember - there are about 900 others just like you

is this a 1-900-SIC-POST???    ;-)



suresh
From: raj@utkvx2.utk.edu (S. KANAKA RAJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct9.220716.6560@news.Hawaii.Edu>,
venki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (N. Venkateswaran) writes...

>	-Confucius say "a fool and his ego make best friends".

A true statement. If I am 'intelligent' and 'brilliant', maybe I can make some
extra bucks. But what is the use of it for others, the hungry, the dying, the
pitiable who struggle every day to carry on their lives. What is the use of
your so called 'intelligence' and 'brilliance' to others. Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa and Mahatma Gandhi, were they intelligent and brilliant in the
definition that these people want to portray themselves. And by the way, what
is 'intelligence' and 'brilliance'. Remember, when we read all the text books
and score perfectly, we are not creating anything.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Realization comes when this little ego is destroyed.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

S. Kanaka Raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: HINDU-PERSON, BRAHMIN-PERSON, VEDIC-PERSON, PERSON-PERSON
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 12 OCT 92 14:26:20    


IMHO, Hinduism consists of two aspects - philosophical and symbolical. The
philosophical aspect is vedic. It is internal, spiritual and not
for everyone. It is for the seekers of the truth. It is for people who
want to realize and experience the truth.

The symbolic aspect of Hinduism is external. It is for the common working
people. It is what people bring home and practice. The practioner may not
know the reasoning.

The problem is that there are too many pundits who claim to have acquired
knowledge. There is no way to find what is wrong and what is right.
This is called brahminism. 

-- Virendra
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/Anywhere: "solution"?
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:57:47 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth) writes:
> 
> Consider a society where every consenting pair is allowed to have
> sex. Won't some of the problems that we have be non-existent in such
> a society ? 
> 
> I think so. There are (atleast) two ways of looking at this problem.
> Either you can stick with outdated notions of morality and restrict
> everything or change your notions of morality.

	I cannot believe this!!!!!!! I am REALLY surprised!!!!!!!

	The above attitude is naive at best. True, *some* problems of today
	may be non-existent in such a society. But they will only be replaced
	by *more* and *more serious* problems than you are suggesting. To
	say in telugu, such a situation would be like "penam nunchi poyyilo
	paddattu" [Transl: it's like falling from a frying pan into the fire]!

	You are really ignoring the very real human emotion of jealousy, and
	the acts people are capable of in a fit of rage. No amount of
	legislation would stop people from being jealous. I am trying not to
	be offensive, honest, - but how would you feel if, your wife sleeps 
	with another man? It is consensual sex, after all! Won't you feel
	betrayed? Won't you feel you are being cheated? And how much of a
	restraint you think you can exercise in such situations? Plus, your
	scheme would have a host of other social evils built into it - how
	can crimes like incest be stopped?

	[If you answer that *you* won't feel any of the above emotions, I
	 may buy your argument, but if you say generalize that to human
	 population in our hypothetical society, I won't.]

	USA probably approximates our hypothetical society, doesn't it? Just
	have a look around you about the number of spousal homicides in this
	country [mostly committed by women] and compare the figure with 
	India [where free sex is a taboo]! Or to a lesser extent, the number
	of divorces *caused by one spouse cheating on the other*; the real
	losers will be the children!

	With all its defects, I think sexual exclusivity is darned good idea.
	It keeps the jealousies at bay and keeps the family as a unit intact
	and keeps the situation from getting ugly. Break this rule, and there 
	is no escape from a rise in crime levels in the society.

	Siva Prasad.

	P.S: I may be incoherent in expressing myself - but I hope you get
	     the idea. I also do not have any statistics/references, but only
	     the media projection of the situation in this country.

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From: adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta)
Subject: Re: Tagore Conference at Urbana-Champaigne
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:48:37 GMT


Fortunately, I have a copy of the schedule for the Tagore Conference.
Though I don't have a clue as to whether it had Keywords like 'Tagore'
or 'tagore', I remember that it was posted in mid September this year
in SCI.

Abhijit Datta

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From: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Feminist Problem
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:54:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92283.125405U15297
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

>Somasekhar writes on ownership labels.


First, I thank you for putting me up there with the
'enlightened' ladies. No such light is shining on
my head till date ! :-)

Next, my last name *is* my father's name and will
continue as is. Having a father's name for one's last
name does not in itself equate to a lack of opposition
for patriarchal notions. Fathers can be egalitarian
and deeply regarded, too, you know. And the name
itself need not be an ownership. But I see your
point about not having the mother's name for a last
name. Perhaps in naming children we can do both.
Tribal women/poor women in India are far more enlightened,
it seems. They are usually just Giribala, Dhowli and
Ponamma. So this last name business might well be
a middle-class/bourgeois invention.

Ultimately, there is no uniform code, just a directed
effort in constructing multiple choices in fairness.
You fight oppressive systems but solutions for societal
problems lie at best in changes where needed; not merely
in scatching the surface in changing symbols for the
sake of symbols. That is to say, sometimes the fight
includes symbols and language, sometimes it doesn't.

So you can say "womyn" several times, hit a lot of "U"s
in place of 'you"s, be totally off-base in sensitivity
and issues and in general, be a downright bore. Or in
another story be an itching respondurangan, surface
poised and cool; dig deep and out oozes muck.

Take your pick.

Shyamala Parameswaran