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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:32:04 GMT

In article <51422@seismo.CSS.GOV>, cooper@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dale Cooper) writes:
> 
> You are all wrong!  According to an reliable source close to the Kings 
> organization and confirmed by an unnamed source at the CIA here in
> Washington, Gretzky was kidnapped by space aliens prior to the start of 
> training camp.  He has not been seen in the Los Angeles metro area since 
> July.  The injury reports and the plane crash story are purely cover-ups.
> 
> Think about it!  Have YOU seen him since July?  Do you believe EVERYTHING
> that you read in the newspaper?

He turned up at the World Series in Atlanta. He read the disclaimer on
last Sunday's CBS broadcast of the Phildelphia Eagles / Dallas Cowboys 
game. Looks like he's having a grand old time.

Keith Mews
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: The Senators finish first!!!  (Sort of...)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:30:57 GMT

With all this talk of league ticket prices, I found it interesting today
that the local paper printed out the average ticket prices for all the NHL
teams (well, *almost* all.  For some reason, Tampa Bay isn't listed.  I'm
sorry Tom, it's not that we're bitter about all those Lightning wins, I'm 
sure.  Just another small oversight.  Really. ;-)  Anyway, I'd assume they
are close to the top as well, somewhere in the 30's.  Corrections are 
welcome...)

Anyway, this is all coming out because the Senators have mailed the season
ticket holders renewal bills for next year *already*.  Add to that a 2-5%
increase in ticket prices, a slumping team and the fact that it's barely
November and people are being asked to pay for games that won't be happening
for another 11 months, you've got the fixin's for some unenthralled people.

Anyway, here's the average ticket prices for each team in the league (in CDN$)
as printed in todays "Ottawa Citizen":

Ottawa          40   Detroit         26
Tampa Bay        ?   Philadelphia    25
NY Rangers      36   Montreal        24
Los Angeles     36   Toronto         24
Boston          35   Vancouver       24
Chicago         34   Edmonton        23
Hartford        33   Washington      23
San Jose        33   Buffalo         21
New Jersey      29   Calgary         21
Pittsburgh      29   Minnesota       21
NY Islanders    28   Winnipeg        20
St. Louis       28   Quebec          19

LEAGUE AVERAGE: 30

I find it interesting that (with the exception of the Senators), all the
Canadian teams are in the bottom 10.

The Senators tickets range from $17 to $100, the majority of which are in the 
$22-$27 range.

Anyway, just thought people might find this interesting.  I know I did.


Later,
That Scott Guy
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:32:10 -0500 
From: Elizabeth Amral Pereira <ep2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Possible 1994 Olympic Hockey Rosters
	<1992Nov5.201348.11401@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
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Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 5-Nov-92 Re: Possible 1994
Olympic H.. RICHARD Maurice@jupiter. (1475)

> In article <1dappmINNd2k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
> >In two years, alot of things can happen (Gretzky retires, Mario's back goes
> >out etc, etc) but here are possible hockey rosters for the 1994 Winter
> Olympics
> >(if the NHL lets them go):
> >
> >==============================================================================
> =
> >CANADA: 
> >
> >Forwards: Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman,
> >          Joe Sakic, Doug Gilmour, Theoren Fleury, Eric Lindros,
> >          Trevor Linden, Steve Larmer, Rick Tocchet, Mark Recchi,
> >          Gary Roberts, Luc Robitaille, Joe Juneau
> >
> >(I know I have too many centers, but some will have to play wing.  I also know
> >I don't have enough defensive forwards but I could use Gilmour,
> Roberts, Larmer
> >as my checking line)
> >
> >Defense: Ray Bourque, Paul Coffey, Al MacInnis, Eric Desjardins, Steve Smith, 
> >         Scott Stevens, Dave Manson, Scott Neidermayer, Rob Blake
> >
> >Goal: Bill Ranford, Ed Belfour, Kirk McLean
> >       
> >==============================================================================
> =
> >
> Belfour ???? What about Patrick Roy? Andy Moog? These 2 goalies have 
> proven to be good every year for the past while.


> Maurice Richard
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> Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada

> rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca

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> =
I agree!!! Andy Mogg has defintely proven himself on the Bruins.  He
deseveres much respect.  Sometimes it seems that he's the only paying
attention to what he is doing. (sorry, just a little gripe.)   What
about Cam Neely, what team would he fit in on??  

Liz


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From: lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: How did the 'Hawks do last night.....???
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:02:15 GMT

In article <ADAMA.92Nov6110550@bmdhh68.bnr.ca> adama@bmdhh68.bnr.ca (Adam
Ashby) writes:
>
>Subject says it all....did the Hawks manage to beat the Leafs???
>
>--
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>
>
Yes!   1-0  Eddie Belfour got the shutout.  It was actually a very exciting
game to watch.  Each team had one goal disallowed.  The Hawks because the Van
Hellemond lost sight of the puck and the Leafs because of a two line offsides
pass to Gilmour about halfway through the third.  The game seemed much more
tame than normal for a Hawks/Wings meeting.  I'm not normally a proponent for
Andy V., but he did a preetty good job of keeping control of the game.

The Hawks goal came on a 2 on 1 in the second period.  Matteau and Ruuttu were
sprung from Dykhuis, Matteau made a great pass to Ruuttu and he buried it.  A
very sweet looking play. (We haven't seen too many this year)
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Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:51:15 EST
 <92309.130943RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu><1992Nov5.135848.5012@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
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Okay I made a mistake!  I'm wrong - I don't give a damn what you call any
hockey team - go ahead and do it.  I don't care.  It's not the first time
I've made a mistake, and it's not going to be the last time either. (Sorry
to disappoint all of you.) Go Wrens - No. 1 at 11-1-2!
                                                           -Rob
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Valeri Bure
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:14:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: crisium.astro.ubc.ca

In article <1992Nov9.135341.2876@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <1dci9fINNp56@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>>BTW, if Valeri is the #1 scorer in the WHL, who is his linemate that
>>>is scoring on all those assists?  And what team owns HIS rights?
>> 
>> None.  He's eligible to be drafted in 1993.
>> -- 
>Crap. He was drafted by Montreal in 1992.
>

   Alan ... I think if you go back and and re-read the first message, I think
   you'll find that the original poster wanted to know about Maxim Bets (Bure's
   linemate), *not* Valeri Bure.  I believe, as Eric himself stated, that no
   one owns *Bets'* rights yet.  i.e., he becomes available for the '93 draft.
   So you see .. not so "crap" after all.

   Brad

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 11:58:03 -0500 
From: "Thomas J. Joyce" <tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns


Mr. Wilson, aka the "self-proclaimed r.s.h. god", would like everyone
to believe that he is "Mr. Credibility" when it comes to hockey information.
However, his "Wrens" post pretty much trashes any credibility I think he
had before that. 

I'll stick to the fact books for my source of info, not some sour, biased
source.

Tom
(biased also, but doesn't pretend otherwise)

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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Pens-4 NStars-1
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:40:33 GMT

Lori Iannamico (lli+@cs.cmu.edu) wrote:
: 
: BOX SCORE:
: 
: PITTSBURGH:   1-0-3=4
: MINNESOTA:    0-0-1=1
: 
: SHOTS ON GOAL
: 
: PITTSBURGH:  13-5-4=22
: MINNESOTA:    9-8-8=25
: 
: GOALIES:
: 

	3 Goals on only 4 shots.  That is a fairly impressive percentage

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Semenov
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:53:05 GMT

In article <VANDER.92Nov9140311@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp> vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
>What's the deal with this guy?  Why did Edmonton leave him
>unprotected, and why was Tampa Bay willing to let him go for
>so little?  Does he have a bad attitude, as one poster mentioned?
>

Edmonton has two 30-plus year old centers already in MacTavish and
Nicholls, and had to make room for the new generation...Tyler Wright
and Vladimir Vujtek.  There is nothing wrong with Semenov except 
for perhaps a low pain threshold.  The Oilers just couldn't afford
to protect so many older centers in the expansion draft.

Gerald
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: SENATORS NEWS:  General update
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:26:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.152111.2881@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.040318.21088@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson) writes:
>> Archibald was a junior phenom in the WHL (the youngest ever to play and score
>> a goal in the WHL at **14** years of age).  He was taken by Minnesota in the
>
>I thought the holder of the record for youngest player in the WHL was Glen
>Goodall, drafted by Detroit. I'm not sure if Goodall scored a goal or not
>though. Maybe the WHL contact can help us out here. 
>Randy?

Well, I am no WHL contact, and I don't have a definite answer, but I see that
Goodall scored 5 goals in the '84-'85 season, and was born on Jan. 22, 1970, 
making him 14 at the beginning of that season.  Archibald's first WHL season,
if I am not mistaken, was '84-'85 as well, but he was almost a year older than
Goodall (born on April 14, 1969).  Archibald scored 7 goals that season.

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
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From: ananim@aix.rpi.edu (Mark Anania)
Subject: Re: Best Lines?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:13:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.003505.11761@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>NYI:        Turgeon, King, ?????

         Steve Thomas is the 3rd member of this line.


-Mark....

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 12:57:42 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Arena problems revisited


Well, it just goes to show you.  Take your complaints to the top and you
just might get results.  (My mother raised me right.)

At last night's Pens/Blues game, the big strobe lights were flashing,
particularly during the third period (at a rate of roughly every 30
seconds).  I figured that if they can't deafen us they'll just blind
us.  I'm sure everyone there noticed them.

I called the Penguin office today to ask what was going on. Turns out
that Sports Illustrated was here doing a feature on Mario.  They covered
this and the Islander game on Tuesday.  Last night was the major photo
session.

While I had an attentive ear, I reiterated my list of complaints from my
letter to Baldwin.  The PLAYERS requested that the music be played LOUD --
they said it gets them pumped up.  But the management has received tons of
complaints about it so they're now in the process of deciding what to do
about it.   I also commented on the lack of imaginative music and the
redundancy, and made special note to thank her for the jazz and
requested more.)

We talked about some other stuff too.  It was encouraging.  I'm not sure
the music issue will turn out in my favor, but I appreciate knowing that
they ARE listening to the fans).

Mom.







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From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:54:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.204825.26459@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>  
kshafer@csf50.Your.Domain.Here (Keith Shafer) writes:

>                Actually, San Diego is INDEPENDANT and playing quite
                 well with a record of 12 wins, 0 losses and 
>                1 overtime loss (no such thing as a tie in the IHL)


And thank goodness for that!! Why doesn't the NHL do that--play  
sudden-death OT and then a shootout (or 2 or 3 or...) if still tied after  
OT? Did they ever do something like that (I can't remember)? It makes it  
*much* more exciting (especially the shootouts!), and you (not to mention  
the players!) don't feel gipped by a tie score.
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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Minnesota-New York Islanders Summary
Summary: North Stars 3, Islander 0
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:56:25 GMT


                       North Stars 3, Islanders 0
        At Bloomington, Minn., Dave Gagner scored twice and Jon Casey
turned aside 28 shots for his first shutout of the season. It marked the
second shutout in as many games for the Islanders, who dropped a 2-0
decision at Pittsburgh on Tuesday. The Islanders, losers of three straight
games, have not scored in more than 134 minutes. 

NY Islanders                     0 0 0--0
Minnesota                        1 0 2--3
        First period--1, Minnesota, Gagner 2 (Courtnall, McPhee), 4:14.
Penalties--None. 
        Second period--No scoring. Penalties-- Nylund, NYI, 3:46; Craig,
Min, 7:31; McInnis, NYI, 10:01; Hogue, NYI, misconduct, 10:01; Turgeon,
NYI, 18:59; Tinordi, Min, 18:59; Gagner, Min, 18:59. 
        Third period--2, Minnesota, Gagner 3 (Elik, Sjodin), pp, 9:18. 3,
Minnesota, Modano 7 (Sjodin, Quinn), pp, 14:59. Penalties-- Gagner, Min,
3:29; Ludwig, Min, 5:03; Mullen, NYI, 8:08; Berg, NYI, 13:39; T.
Fitzgerald, NYI, 14:18. 
        Shots on goal--NY Islanders 14-8-6--28. Minnesota 11-11-10--32. 
        Power-play conversions--NY Islanders 5-0. Minnesota 5-1. 
        Goaltenders--NY Islanders, Healy. Minnesota, Casey. A--11,109. 
        Referee--Paul Stewart. 

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and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file
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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Possible 1994 Olympic Hockey Rosters
Keywords: LET QUEBEC HAVE ITS OWN TEAM!!!
Reply-To: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 08:59:33 GMT

John P. Curcio writes:

|> I was under the impression that the CIS team was a one-shot deal for
|> the 1992 Olympics, since there wasn't much time after the Soviet Union
|> break-up to reorginize the countries into distince entities.
|> Therefore, there should be no CIS team; rather, there should be
|> representative teams from each of the breakaway republics.  Add to that
|> the fact that there is a planned separation of Czechoslovakia into two
|> distinct republics (I may be mistaken on the exact facts here-- if
|> anyone is following the politics maybe they can better inform me), then
|> the whole Olympic hockey world as we know it will be completely
|> changed.

   There should be no CIS or Czechoslovakia team in the 1994 winter 
   olympics, as far as I know.  Russia and the Czech republic should
   be there, but I'm not sure if Ukraine, Latvia, or Slovakia will
   make it.  Slovakia will unfortunately be placed in the C pool, and 
   there may not be enough time for them to qualify for the Olympics.
   The same goes for the ex-Soviet hockey republics except Russia.

   Now, will "the whole Olympic hockey world as we know it [be]
   completely changed"?  Again, I'm not sure, since Russia can take
   the part of the Soviet Union, and Bohemia (the Czech republic) can
   take the part of Czechoslovakia.  I think Ukraine and Slovakia 
   should be strong enough to make it to the pool A and maybe even 
   beat the top teams on a good day, but I doubt they can be contenders
   for the gold medal.

   Now what would really change the whole international hockey world?
   
   LET QUEBEC HAVE ITS OWN TEAM!!!

   This would be GREAT for international hockey, since 

   1) the rivarly between Canada and Quebec would fuel the 
      interest in international tournaments.

   2) Canada would be weakened enough to give a serious chance
      to the other teams like USA, Bohemia, Sweden or Findland
      to win the Olympics, the World Cup, or even the Canada(?)
      Cup.  So we would have at least 7 serious contenders for
      the gold, which should make the competition more dramatic.

 - David




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Jari Kurri Reborn?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:54:52 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Nov12.162737.6631@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, coop4y44@bnr.ca (Lorraine Galvin) writes:
> So what's with Jarri Kurri this year?  His production had trailed off
> considerably in his last few seasons with Edmonton, and his return to the NHL
> with the Kings last (?) season was less than sensational, but this season he
> seems to be playing like a man (re-)possessed!
> 
> He appears to be playing with Robitaille and Sandstrom, and all three
> are on a tear.  Anyone in LA care to comment on Kurri's, and LA's, transformation?

Ya, and they didn't stop with Vancouver tonight.  Kuri had two goals, the line
had 4 of the 7 LA goals, and the line had 12 points I think.  That's 58 points
in the last 6 games!

On the Canucks side, well what can you say.  Good competition and poor
performance.  I still think the problem with the team is poor communication
and poor skating without the puck.  Trevor Linden after waking up in the
game against Winipeg fell asleep again.  He was nowhere to be seen in the
first two periods (7-2 at the end of two) although he had a decent 3rd as
did the team (7-4 final score.)  Linden is playing so bad that it seems
the Canucks are playing with 4 players when he is on the ice!  Semenov got his 
first goal and Bure had two assists.  Blake and Donnely{sp} with two for LA.

Ron
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: MacInnis suffers injury
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:59:28 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Nov12.152600.2891@mtroyal.ab.ca>, caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
> The Calgary Flames' already injury-riddled defence took another major blow
> last night during their 4-3 come from behind victory over the Hartford Whalers.
> 
> All-star defenceman Al MacInnis caught his skate in a rut and fell heavily into
> the boards. He was taken from the ice on a stretcher and taken to hospital. The
> initial diagnosis was a broken left hip, but it was later revealed to be "only"
> a dislocation. Doctors popped the hip back in without surgery. It is not known
> how long MacInnis will be out.
> 
They are now saying six to eight weeks.

> Flames goaltender Mike Vernon after the game blamed poor ice conditions for 
> MacInnis's injury. He said that the whole league should have to take a lesson
> in how to make quality ice from the people at Northlands Coliseum in Edmonton.
> 
Today's Vancouver Province said that the flames are sending a tape to
the league for possible disciplinary etc. - Apparently MacInnis may
have been tripped by an opponent (sorry, I forget who).

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From: jwodzia@dino.uucp (john wodziak)
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns
Reply-To: jwodzia@dino.UUCP (john wodziak)
Organization: Clemson University Engineering Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:43:55 GMT

In article <92309.130943RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.170236.16551@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri
>Nichols) says:
>>And before you complain that I'm just anti-Pens, I am a Pens fan.
>   Some fan you are, you like other people who mock your fav. team's nickname.
>That's not much of a fan to me.  If you were a fan, you would support THE PENS
>and not the Wrens.  There's a definition of what a fan really is.  My roommate
>calls himself a Penguins fan, yet he couldn't tell you who they played 2 games
>ago or name at least five players on the team!
>                                                         -Rob
Somehow I really don't feel that what you call your favorite team really matters
determines how much of a fan you are. After all of the things I've called
the %^%#^#% Rangers and Bruins over the years I guess that you could say that
I'm an Islanders/Devils or Habs fan by now. NOT!!!! Calling the Pens Wrens
or whatever (like Waddlers ;-> ) is kind of like sitting around trading 
insults with a friend when you really don't mean it. In other words.....
WHO REALLY CARES?

Stuck in Hockey Hell
JRW
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The #%&^*$%&$ Rangers suck!!!  1940 >> /dev/null Go B's!!! 

"Wet Willy Clinton wasn't even alive when the $%@#%$@# Rangers won 
their last cup" --- ESPN
"ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" -- me
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