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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Noachide marriage procedure.
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:43:07 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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I have a gentile friend who wishes to get married to another gentile. She
correctly rejects the basis of Xtianity but considers herself to be a Noachide.
She wants to have a "Noachide" wedding ceremony but is at a loss at what needs
to be done. I think that the same criteria for marriage apply to both Jewish
marriages and Noachide ones, i.e. giving of something of value with intent to
marry, consumation, and (I think) signing of some form of marriage contract.

I understand that there is a Noachide organisation in the US somewhere. Perhaps
they have developed a marriage "ceremony". Does anybody know anything about
this or other marriage procedures for Noachides?

In the ideal scheme of things from the Jewish point of view, there would only
be Jews and Noachides. Many people are now seriously questioning the very basis
of Xtianity and would be prepared to change to Noachide teachings but there is
not a well developed Noachide organisation for them to turn to. Perhaps some 
effort could be put into helping establish one. 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. My friend really wants an answer to this
one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: ORTHODOX
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.190212.708@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>Look in a dictionary for the derivation of the word ORTHODOX. It comes from the
>Greek ORTH: straight, correct, true, right   and  DOXA: opinion.
>It thus amuses me to no end when I  see representatives of the Reform and
>Conservative movements denigrating the "orthodox".

What is even more amusing -- and revealing -- is the ordering of the
movements.  Almost invariably, it's OCR.  But why?  It clearly isn't
alphabetical.  Nor is it chronological; Reform emerged before Conservative.
Nor is it by number of adherents.  Given the fact that _all_ three
claim to be observing Jewish law, C and R should object to possible
ordering in terms of "degree of observance" or "%mitvot_kept."

So why OCR?  (My guess: it is in the order of the number of letters
in the names of the primary ordaining institutions in the US: YU,
JTS, HUC-JIR.  This seems fine, although someone might object to
YU as opposed to several other yeshivot [or yeshivas])

>Josh
>backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL


-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: dermer@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT JUDAISM
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:07:45 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

In article <92313.214500U46833@uicvm.uic.edu> KAZI ASIMUDDIN <U46833@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I need some knowledge about judaism, could somebody send some basic knowledge
>about judaism.!!!!!!!!
>
>Thank you

There is a Hillel House on the University of Illinois campus. Why don't you
go and speak to the director there?  I'm sure that the director will be able
to answer many of your questions and the house may even have a library where
you can find appropriate texts.

Marshall
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Einstein and Judaism
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:19:42 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:

>I often wonder what the reaction to Einstein would have been
>if he had posted his comments concerning Judaism and
>science on this newsgroup instead of presenting them
>in lectures etc.

    Here is an additional quote, part of an article written by Albert
Einstein in Nature, vol 146, page 605 (1941) and quoted by Abraham Pais
in his book "Subtle is the Lord..." page 319:
  "A religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the
significance of those superpersonal objects and goals which neither require
nor are capable of rational foundation...A legitimate conflict between
science and religion cannot exist...Science without religion is lame, religion
without science is blind". Comments Pais : "By his own religion, Einstein
himself was, of course, a deeply religious man."

>(....)
>He was after all a Jew raised within the Jewish community (....)

 In the same book, page 36, Pais writes about Einstein's "raising".
"religious matters and precepts were not discussed. Albert's father
was proud of the fact that Jewish rites were not practised in his home"
with references for the sources. 
On page 38: "Einstein went through an intense religious phase when he was
about eleven years old. His feelings were of such ardor that he followed
religious precepts in detail. For example he ate no pork"    
What a detail, showing the depth of his Jewish education...

Because of your e-mail address I will tentatively assume that you have been
trained as an electronics engineer. You must then have studied relativity.
Do you sincerely believe that you would recognize relativity if you had been
brought up by a father proud of keeping you away from Science, even if at the
age of 11 you had discovered mathematics up to the point as practising one
digit addition?

Eli, I am not trying to flame you. I just respectfully submit that taking
Einstein as a reference for Judaism practice is about as relevant as taking
say The Lubavitcher Rebbe (see how I expose myself to flames!) as a reference
for applications of general relativity.
    Yaaqov (Jacques) Goldberg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:55:21 GMT

In <1992Nov8.072533.696@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>I just read in the Israeli papers that McDonalds is *finally* coming to Israel.
>I wonder if a Big Mac will be renamed BIG MOISHE :-)  :-)
What ever happened to McDavid's in Tel-Aviv?

>Josh
>backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
--
Eli Chiprout                  " 'Al ta'am vereach, ein lehitvakeah!"
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Larry Israel <VSLARRY@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: Pidyon ha'Ben
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Larry Israel <VSLARRY@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:15:14 GMT

I learned (sorry, I don't remember where and I am not a Rabbi either) that
if the pidyon was not done as a child, the mitzva should be fulfilled by the
person himself when he is past bar-mitzva. I would assume that the ritual
has to be changed; consult your local rabbi.

As for the father, he has missed the opportunity to perform a mitzva.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:34:29 GMT

In article <09Nov92.142010.19718@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.004613.1437@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

... Stan's "legitimate interpretation" argument deleted ...




>I think what galls Conservative Jews the most is the Orthodox
>attitude of "all or nothing," and that only the Orthodox are true
>jews.  Meanwhile Conservatives think that their approach better
>follows the traditions of the great rabbis.  It is a historical
>approach to Judaism that accepts the fact that the interpretation
>of the halacha has always changed to meet new historical
>circumstances, and that the law was given us for life.  The
>emphasis of the law was always on ethical treatment of fellow men,
>and the O's often SEEM to us C's to have forgotten that basic
>principle.

Just for a clarification:  As you know (I assume), Orthodox
Jews do _not_ question the "Jewishness" of Conservative Jews.
And I will also assume that the reason you capitalized "SEEMS"
in the above paragraph is to avoid starting a flame-war over
whether Orthodoxy demands ethical behavior: of course it does
(although that does not guarantee that all nominally Orthodox
Jews behave ethically, any more that all Conservative Jews
abide by Conservative halakha).

But now to a serious question.  You object to Orthodoxy's claim
that they are the only legitimate inheritors of the halakhic
process.  I can understand your dismay.  But -- I really want
to know -- Do not Conservative rabbis act the same way vis
a vis CCAR (Reform) rabbinic decisions?  For example, the
child of a non-Jewish woman is accepted as Jewish by a Reform
temple; will a Conservative synagogue accept that person as
Jewish?  Does that not compromise the "legitimate interpretation"
argument?


>And to add to what Stan Krieger said, the antisemites of the
>world do not care if we are reform, conservative, or orthodox.
>We need to stick together.  But on the other hand, that does not
>make heated discussion bad, as long as we accept the standing of
>the other groups.  The point here in this whole thread is the O
>position that does not even accept the standing of a C bet din.
>That should be hard for everyone to swallow--not just O's.

We certainly have to stand together on some communal issues,
antiSemitism being the most salient example.  But antiSemitism
does not imply what the Orthodox community should do about
Conservative batei din, anymore that it suggests that the
Conservative movement should accept the Reform decisions on
patrilineal descent.


-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:51:41 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <96455@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>Men should wear ... two layers of underwear under their shirt

Could you provide sources?  Do you perhaps mean the talit katan as one
of these layers?
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
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 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:37:40 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

I'm so glad we're having another OCR flame.  Why it's been several
weeks since the last one!
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
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 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: *jesus of Nazareth*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:37:26 GMT

In article <9211061626.AA01273@cyclone.sbi.com>
<gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:

>tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:

>>    SOME  Christians wear a cross on their neck because :
>>    ^^^^
>> 1. They feel that it is something like a talisman;

>So where are the tzitziz, man?

The "tzitziz" I don't know.  The tsetse, however, are on the fly.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: If I could read only one book on Judaism, what would it be?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:36:59 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <40857@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:
|> Let's say that I'm a Martian and am assigned to learn all about
|> Judiasm in one week.  What book do you suggest I read?  It has been
|> recpmmended to me that I read "Jewish Literacy" by Telushkin, I
|> believe.  What do you all think?
|> 

I own Telushkin's book, and have enjoyed it immensely.  But we're
a Jewish family.

I'm not so sure that someone who knows nothing of Judaism except
possibly some distorted views from the Gentile community would
be able to handle the organization of the book.

I would prefer starting with Steinberg's "Basic Judaism".
It's fairly small --- you may have time left over in
the week, and *then* you can read Telushkin's book.

-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:13:14 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel

In article <1dkd2iINNbv9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark
Ira Kaufman) says:
>
>Is there a chance it will be kosher???
>
Kosher Cheeseburgers?  Their milkshakes don't have any milk anyway so at least
they won't have a problem there (why do you think they call them "shakes")


>--
>   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
>may not be both."
>                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lise@kepler.uucp (80734-romanov)
Subject: Re: Modest dress in Judaism (was Re: sexism in Judaism)
Reply-To: er@oscar.bellcore.com (80734-romanov,elisabeth)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:32:58 GMT

In article <9211031350.AA22551@host0.COLBY.EDU> <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))> writes:
>Just out of curiosity, what sort of clothing should one wear if you are out with
>your husband and OTHER MEN are present.... say, a ritzy party, gala opening-night ball, or whatnot?  Should one elect to appear 'drab', and perhaps shame one's
>husband in that manner?  
>
>Or should good Jewish women avoid public events where they have to look good in
>front of other men?
>
>JJ

How about a an evening gown in gold silk with a fantastic draped bodice that
was <not> deeply cut?  Or black velvet?  There are lots of ways to dress up
without showing lots of skin.  Beautful clothes in rich fabrics are acceptable
(depending on circumstances) and one is encouraged to wear beautiful things
for Shabbat and the holidays.
From: regina@tivoli.UUCP (Regina Foiles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Interfaith marriages
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:58:37 GMT
Reply-To: regina@tivoli.UUCP (Regina Foiles)
Organization: Tivoli Systems Inc., Austin, TX


Could someone please tell me the address of the intermarriage 
mailing list? I was told that there is a mailing list dedicated to 
Jewish/other intermarriages and that this newsgroup could help.

Please email me since I don't read this newsgroup.

Thanks,

Regina Foiles
regina@tivoli.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:02:57 GMT
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department

In article <92308.0204012893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Opposing hero-worship of tyrants is always worthwhile. I find it
>repulsive that Kahane is idolised in death, he was a dangerous madman, a
>true dictator in waiting who only preached hatred and intolerance.

You are taking the "Ugly American" view of a foreign affair, so it is
no wonder that you are in error.  

Kahane preached love for his fellow Jews.  He also realized - and said
out loud - that the Arabs within Israel would quickly become a
majority and overtake the Jews in their own country.  Everyone now
realizes that he was perfectly correct in this assessment.

While he may have proposed a transfer of populations until Western
concepts of government and justice become more commonly held in the
Middle East, others propose the relinquishing of territory as a
permanent solution to this dilemma.  Probably neither of them had a
very workable solution, which is why this is still a dilemma.

Meir Kahane got people thinking about all this and in this he was not 
wrong. 

>While my statement may have been excessively strident, I do maintain that
>Kahane's death should no more be mourned than the death of Ceausescu.

If your previous statements were "excessively strident", your current
description of Kahane as "a dangerous madman, a true dictator in
waiting" doesn't seem to be much of an improvement.


-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Embarrassment
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:41:38 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In: <4438@bimacs.BITNET>
rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) tells us a story:

>What is it in the Jewish pshyche that the more assimilationist we are,
>the more embarrased we become when seeing other Jews trying to keep to
>the ways of the predecessors in keeping the faith, eg Shabbat
>observance, clothing?  Yet when it comes to the religious sensibilities
>of others, we [Jews] are the first to rise to their defence?
>
>This all reminds me of the apocryphal story of the assimilated Jew (AJ)
>and the 'orthodox' Jew (OJ) on a bus:
>
>AJ: Why don't you change your ways and join the real world?
>
>OJ: Actually, I'm Amish.
>
>AJ: Oh! I'm so sorry, I thought you were Jewish.  I do admire the
>    courage it takes to keep your customs in the modern world, and you
>    have my full support.

Stories are  nice, and  I am  sure that Danny  has also  heard stories
showing his pet OJ in a less  than pleasant form.  So what? My Concise
Oxford Dictionary  which I consulted  defines "apocryphal" as  "... of
doubtful  authenticity;  sham,  false".   It  is  somewhat  less  then
dignified to make up a story about your opponents and then use them as
a "proof" for your  position.  BTW it may come as  a surprise to Danny
that I  personably am more concerned  with the behaviour of  my fellow
Jews than of the Amish, but I  have never tried to convince any Jew to
change his  mode of dress and  belief, as long  as he does not  try to
force them on me.

>Need I say more?

What have you actually said?

>Danny Rothenberg            |    ^   Life's a dream-so sleep through it!

 Michael Shimshoni                    Wake up Danny, do not miss life! :-)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:45:46 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
 <1N4PTB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de>

In article <1N4PTB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo
Tichauer) says:
>
>makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>
>> # Would you support an American Kahane who proposed expelling all
>non-Christ-
>> # ians from the USA?
>>
>> Well, I will quote the late Rabbi from memory here just after he
>> was elected to the Knesset.  The Rabbi said something like "He would
>> pay them money to expell all Jews to Israel" when asked a similar
>> question.

Would he have paid Hitler money to expel the Jews from Europe? My father
recalls reading in a Betar newspaper in the mid 30s that the Nazis were right
in arguing the Jews have no place in Germany and encouraging the Nazis
to expel the Jews. It's this sort of smug, Machiavellian, ends-justifies-the
means thinking often comes from the far right that gives me the chills.
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT JUDAISM
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:06:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov10.030653.17293
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <Pine.3.05.9211091010.A27874-9100000@alsys1> 
<Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>> writes:

>On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, KAZI ASIMUDDIN wrote:

KA:
>>I need some knowledge about judaism, could somebody send some basic knowledge
>>about judaism.!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Thank you

SLN:
>do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you. the rest is
>commentary. go and study it.

I have just one question before I skulk away to chase the footnotes:

	How does the above apply to a sado-masochist?

>Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
>ness@aecom.yu.edu                      

ObJudaica: Leopold von Sacher-Masoch was a Jew.  It figures.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
" -- I shall speak bluntly, because life is short."
From: friedenb@pine.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Minyan in Senate!
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@pine.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

In article <141056@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
|> In January there will be a minyan in the U.S. Senate!  Or, at least,
|> there would be if you count women.  There will be exactly ten Jews
|> in the Senate.  There will be two states for which BOTH senators are
|> Jewish:  California and Wisconsin.
|> 
|> Ed
|> ed@wente.llnl.gov

Even if you cound women this would not be the case.  

Diane Feinstein has a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother, 
from what I understand.  Therefore you would only have 9.

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT JUDAISM
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:36:02 GMT

>In article <9211091515.AA04973@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov> writes:
>>>On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, KAZI ASIMUDDIN wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need some knowledge about judaism, could somebody send some basic knowledge
>>>> about judaism.!!!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you. the rest is
>>>commentary. go and study it.
>>>
>>>Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
>>>ness@aecom.yu.edu                      
>
>
>>Sounds familiar.  Still the best description, and certainly the shortest.
>
>That's because Seth typed it in while standing on one leg.
>-- 
>Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT.  Maybe because I read all these postings in the
AM while the "brain?" is still in low gear (or neutral).  
Seriously, it is so much fun to see some decent humor on the line.  Need
more.
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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Who built the pyramids
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:14:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.201210.29042@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu
(Eliot Shimoff) distorts the Holy Texts (what is he, a T42?) writing:
>Of course there is the adage "al tikri plague ela plaque" ("Do not
>read "plague" but "plaque"),

  I don't know what your sources are, but the plain
  meaning (see Rama"h, [Poconos/Utterson] and Shulchan Aruch, Siman
  tet vav bet) is "On my ceiling there is not disease, only tartar."

  Nevertheless, as a g'zera, the Rabbanim mandated that men should
  wear kippot and women sheitels.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish