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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing disruption in England
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:58:28 GMT
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Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
> 
> >Gordon MacPherson
> >Sir William Dunn School of Pathology
> >Oxford University WRITES:
>  In one of our national nespapers today there was a report of a
> >fishing match in England being disrupted by an anti-fishing group -
> about 40
> >individuals including some with underwater gear released fish, hit rods,
> >splashed etc etc and caused chaos.  They had also arranged for a local TV
> >station to be there to record the scene.
> 
*stuff deleted

> 	Is there a way to prevent this from occuring again.  Any tactics that
> sportsmen
> can use to disrupt the protestors (short of killing them)?

There you go trying to stifle creativity.  Oh well, I'm not much of a 
bait fisherman anyway and I don't think my 9' 8wt SAGE could turn a live
protester over properly.  

Bryan

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: HELP!, winter bass patterns...
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:02:28 GMT

Can someone please give me the advantage of their knowledge about 
late winter (pre-pre-spawn) reservoir bass patterns? 

I've heard guys talking about going up into the creeks in 
February or so and catching large fish.  Is it true that the 
"middle of the lake deep water pattern" sort of peters out around
mid-February? (I'm in Raleigh, NC).  

If this is true, what should I be looking for?  Main channels/feeder
creeks?, at the inlet/dam end of the reservoir?, should I go just 
part way up the creeks and fish deep creek bends, or should I go 
near the back and try to fish heavy cover?

What's with these bass, why would they move like this if there is 
still a good shad-die-off in the middle of the lake?

Help me......................

			-Pat.
From: Steve Knapp <smk1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Repost: Seminar/flea market
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:57:11 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:06:19 GMT

On March 6th the Cayuga Lake Charter Association will sponsor the 5th
annual Trout and Salmon Seminar held at the Ithaca High School cafeteria.
 Just as last year, the main feature of the event will be a day long
fishing equipment flea market scheduled to start at 9:00 a.m. and end at
5:00 p.m.  Tables are still available for those wishing unload their
garage of no longer used tackle or any other items related to enjoying
the outdoors.  Tables will also be staffed by many representatives of
fishing tackle manufactures.  Much of this years newest  equipment will
be on display.

Also represented are local and national derbies, taxidermists, and
charter captains.  Usually, many local merchants and tackle manufacturers
offer inventory clearance and close out specials.

As always, seminars will run throughout the day.  The Department of
Environmental Conservation will again present the "state of Cayuga Lake
report" in the afternoon.  DEC biologists will also be available to
answer questions before and after the report.  

Hot food and soft drinks will be available.  The very popular door prizes
should be greater than ever.  Admission to the seminar is $3.00 in
advance and $4.00 at the door.  

Proceeds from this event are used to support public fishing interests in
the Cayuga Lake region.  This year, the Association donated several
fishing sheds to Taughannock State Park.  The buildings are used by shore
fisherman to watch their lines while getting in out of the weather.  In
previous years proceeds from this event have been used to provide a shore
VHF radio station and a fish cleaning station at the Lansing Town Park. 
Park staff monitor several VHF channels to assist boaters with
emergencies and service information on the lake.  The winter fisherman
are especially fond of the sheds.  Several fishing trips for area youth
groups have also been funded by the seminar.

Charter captains DO NOT receive the proceeds from this event. 
Suggestions for how the seminar fund is utilized are always welcome.

Ithaca New York and Cayuga Lake are located in the heart of the Finger
Lakes Region.  For more information about the seminar or how to obtain a
table at the event, please contact me by electronic mail.

Capt. Steve Knapp
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fred@slayer.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Fred Anderson)
Subject: Re:  Pocket Guide to Beer - Out of Print
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:31:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.164511.2562@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com>,  fred@slayer.bellcore.com (Fred Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
|> 
|> Michael Jackson's "Pocket Guide to Beer" book is mentioned often
|> in this newsgroup. I tried to obtain a copy at the bookstore but
|> they tell me it is out of print. Does anyone know where I can 
|> obtain a copy of the book?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> Fred Anderson
|> Bellcore
|> fred@charles.bellcore.com
|> 
|> 

So sorry - posted to the wrong newsgroup! 
	Fred :-(
Xref: sparky rec.outdoors.fishing:1697 alt.fishing:3304
From: mjk11@po.CWRU.Edu (Mary J. Knowles)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Two fishing news groups:
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:51:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mjk11@po.CWRU.Edu (Mary J. Knowles)
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In a previous article, jlautr01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu () says:

>         It would appear that the network is now supporting two news groups
>         about fishing.  In the last week or so alt.fishing has received as
>         much traffic or more than than rec.outdoors.fishing.  Is there
>         anything WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS?
>
>      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>      Fishy, fishy, in the brook, come and bite my little hook.
>      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>      Joseph L. Autry Jr. a.k.a. Izaak Walton
>      Systems Programmer
>      University Of Louisville
>
>

Let the people still using alt.fishing know that rec.outdoors.fishing
is the REAL group ;-)

Many sites do not carry the alt.* groups as a general policy.
So, for the widest audience, rec.outdoors.fishing is preferred.  
If your site doesn't carry rec.outdoors.fishing, 
bug your system administrator.
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From: z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Wanted Strong USED Trolling motor!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:46:42 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Im looking for a strong trolling motor of about 32 lbs thrust or more - a newer
model is prefered for my boat- reasonable priced in Texas if possible.please
help me out if possible-send E-Mail. 
                                     Thanks,
                                               Dave Hanson

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jbreeden@netcom.com (John Breeden)
Subject: Re: Shell care
Organization: Netcom - Somewhere in the S.F. Bay Area
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:27:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.010512.2180@news.uiowa.edu> bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu (Barry Ronald Breffle) writes:
>My wife and I just got back from our honeymoon in Ocho Rios, Jamaica, W.I.,
>and brought back a shell aquired from a native there.  Upon returning,
>I realized that the shell had a terrible odor associated with it.  
>.......
> but have not
>as of yet been able to rid it of the terrible odor or the bits of meat.
>Are there any tricks or easiers ways to clean shells out?
>Any help will be greatly appriciated as the shell is very beautiful, but I
>don't know if I can put up with the smell.
>

Bury it in the backyard for a few months....nature will take care of the 
problem.

Better yet, leave the critters where they belong...on the reef (buying
shells from the locals encourages their continuing destruction of the
reef environment).

-- 

 John Robert Breeden, Hughes Lan Systems
          jbreeden@kailua.hls.com, johnb@hls.com, jbreeden@netcom.com

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      "The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose 
      from. If you don't like any of them, you just wait for next year's 
      model."
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,rec.boats
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: From Avon to Zodiac
Organization: Boeing
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:59:38 GMT

In article <lluamqINN5sf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emartini@karoshi.Eng.Sun.COM (Edward William Martini) writes:
>
>Some friends and I are interested in purchasing a used, largish inflatable,
>preferrably with a hull of some kind.  Any info you have regarding where we
>could get one (surplus?), or other experiences of the sort.
>

I don't know if this helps . . . But, I thought it was interesting . . . 

The Seven Seas Crusing Association puts out a publication on cruising 
equipment . . . The most recent one (available for about $10) identifies Avon
inflatables as being one of the most highly rated inflatables and ranks the'
Zodiac as being one of the lowest rated.

Somewhere in between were the West Marine brand inflatables.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: U/W Photo Equip. Sources
Keywords: U/W Photo
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:18:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.151332.6119@alias.com> jamieson@alias.com (M Jamieson) writes:
>I'm interested in purchasing a used/new 15mm Nikon lens for use with
>my Nikonos V/III. It doesnt matter if its the old or new style. Oh yeah,
>and the appropriate finder to go with it.
>
>Does anyone know of any good, reputable outlets that sell new/used
>U/W photo gear in North America that I could call or fax?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Mark
>. 
     Pick up a copy of 'Shutterbug' at a magazine or photo shop. It is filled with
dealers and individuals with used equipment for sale. Prices are very competitive; at
least compared to San Francisco.

     Marcus
From: mwerling@linus.umd.edu (Michael T. Werling)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Starting a scuba club.  Suggestions?
Summary: Call for club activity ideas
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:58:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

We are attempting to re-create the SCUBA diving club here at the University
of Maryland.  The application has been submitted and we are waiting on
funding.

Any ideas out there for activities we could do as a club?  We are working
on getting pool time here at the university for refresher courses (we have
a couple instructors joining) and are also considering things like guest
lecturers, videos, and dive trips (of course).

If anyone who belongs to a dive club or just has an idea could e-mail me,
I would greatly appreciate it.  We want to have a strong start so that
the club will be successful.  Posting to rec.scuba will also work, but 
e-mail is preferrable.

Thanks in advance!

Mike Werling

mwerling@linus.umd.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jsmith@unixg.ubc.ca (JR Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Barbados recommendations
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:36:35 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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In <30192@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi) writes:

>I'm planning a trip to Barbados next month, and would like recommendations
>on dive operators in the area.  I'm staying near Maxwell which is along
>the south coast halfway between Bridgetown and the airport.

>Also, I would appreciate recommendations on things to do/see while not
>diving

Last time I was there I went out a few times with Underwater Barbados which
has a dive shop in St. Lawrence Gap which is near where you'll be. They're
on the inland side of the road about 500 yards in when you turn off the coast 
road onto the west entrance road into the Gap. They go out several times a 
day. There are sveral other operators but haven't dealt with any of them.

There are lots of things to see. you can rent a moke with a US driver's licence
There is a 'castle' up the east coast which is a popular spot although i haven'tbeen. Crane beach is not far from the airport with a nice hotel, beach and 
scenery and just west of that beach there is another little used but gorgeous
beach. Trips into Bridgetown and Spieghstown are popular and there is a 
tropical garden on an estate near Bridgetown as i recall. Both the south and 
west coasts have many dining and night spots.

Maybe we'll see you there. My wife and i will be there Feb 25- March 9. 
Have a great trip.
.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: scairns@is.morgan.com (Scott Cairns)
Subject: Re: Virgin Gorda vs. Grand Cayman
Reply-To: scairns@fsg.com
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:39:11 GMT

In article <BUZZ.93Jan21152507@lion.bear.com>, buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes:
|> For a long weekend (3 days diving, 4 nights), which is better?  I
|> dove GC w/Don Foster's outfit about 3 years ago and it was terrific.
|> I hear, however, that Virgin Gorda is "even better," although I have
|> no handle on the dive operators there.

I haven't been to GC so I can't compare it to Virgin Gorda but having
dived throughout the British Virgin Islands on three separate yacht
charter trips, I'd recommend it highly.  Either Virgin Gorda or Tortola 
(the other main island in the BVI) can serve as your dive base.  Both 
have a number of dive operators.

On VG, there's Dive BVI which operates out of two locations, Virgin
Gorda Yacht Harbor and Leverick Bay up at North Sound.  There's also
a dive op run by the Kilbride family (Bert Kilbride who's now in his
70's is a dive legend at least in the BVI) out of their Saba Rock, 
North Sound location.  BTW, Saba Rock is also home to the Pirate's
Pub (also run by the Kilbrides) and is a really great place for 
apres-dive activities.

email me for dive sites and lodging/dining recomendations

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From: jhc@world.std.com (John HC)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Divers' Environmental Survey Toll-Free Number
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:25:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


The Divers' Environmental Survey (DES) now has a toll-free number.
 
			1-800-645-1470
 
 
You can contact the DES from anywhere in the continental United States by 
dialing 1-800-645-1470.
 
When the DES answering machine asks you to leave a message, please give us 
the following information:
 
-- Your name and telephone number/mailing address
-- The body of water and its location
-- What you saw (or should have seen but didn't) and when
-- The water and weather conditions of the sighting
 
 
We are looking for information about aquatic events, which might be anything 
from unusually obscure water to dramatic changes in fish populations to the 
presence of barrels. If it looks odd to you, we'd like to hear about it, as 
would a lot of other people.
 
After corroboration by another diver or persons knowledgeable about that body 
of water, the information will be distributed. Recipients of that information 
will include state and private organizations concerned with that water. 
 
The information will also enter the DES database. 
 
The DES database has two major categories: freshwater and saltwater. The 
freshwater category comprises two different general habitats: Lakes/Ponds, 
Rivers/Streams. The saltwater category comprises three different general 
habitats: Intertidal, Coastal, and Offshore. Within these categories, 
Region/Watershed distinctions refine the data distribution for trend analysis.
 
The DES database is in its infancy, and we hope that, by making this 
toll-free number available, we have made it easier to file an initial 
DES report.
 
 
You can also reach the DES at these addresses:
 
 _USPS_				_Internet_
  
  DES				 jhc@world.std.com
  PO Box 294			 tgloria@world.std.com
  Billerica, MA 01821		 dtassinari@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu
 
 
 
 
Founded in 1991, the DES is a non-profit corporation dedicated to the
preservation and restoration of fresh- and saltwater habitats. Our activities 
are supported by the individual participants as well as by donations and 
grants.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood)
Subject: Bad Back
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:08:57 GMT


Hey, I got a different sort of question.
Got hurt at work sometime ago, and now I have a ruptured disk in my 
lower back.
My question is:
Do any of you guys dive with a bad back?
My doctors can't seem to make up their collective minds, and I don't
think
any of them dive...
Thanks.
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Bad Back
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:05:54 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore

In rec.scuba, jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood) writes:

|
|Hey, I got a different sort of question.
|Got hurt at work sometime ago, and now I have a ruptured disk in my 
|lower back.
|My question is:
|Do any of you guys dive with a bad back?
|My doctors can't seem to make up their collective minds, and I don't
|think
|any of them dive...
|Thanks.

not a medical opinion...

Won't carrying heavy loads (ie tank, gear) be contraindicated for a bad back?

Lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: getting started-selecting instructors
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:04:30 GMT

In article <15832@nntp.rand.org> Karl_Schutz@rand.ORG (Karl Schutz) writes:

>Good/bad example: an instructor gets backlogged with students due to weather. 
>A couple is in a hurry to complete the course before they leave on their dive
>vacation.  To accommodate their schedule, the instructor (given pool-time
>availability) conducts the open water sessions before the pool sessions. 
>(Unfortunately, there are documented reports within PADI that this occurs :-( )
>In this example, the instructor has subjected the students to the more demanding
>tasks prior to the less demanding tasks.  Not a safe teaching practice, IMHO.   
>The instructor is competent/confident with the material, and a real accommodating
>person.  However, too accommodating, placing students at unnecessary risk.  IMHO,
>not a *good instructor*.

In Utila, I've seen an instructor do the open water dives before the
confined water and classroom (which was all done in one day, and not
much confined water, after all, they had already done their stuff in
the open water...) to accomodate the fact that his students were
flying out the next morning.

The students had no idea how badly the instructor had screwed up.

-- 
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
From: awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: getting started-selecting instructors
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:13:11 GMT
Organization: BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK

In article <1993Jan25.175628.27012@smos.com>,
joseph@smos.com (Joseph Crunk) writes:
|> 
|> Concerning the discussion about folks that want to learn how to scuba dive:
|> 
|> #Can't sit still on this one.....I agree with Alan. It's more important that
|> #you find a good instructor with whom you feel comfortable. That's the key !!
|> 
|> This is good for experienced divers. But what about beginners? My inference
|> being that only an experienced diver is able to assess a *good instructor*.

I would disagree (see below).

|> I asked this question before on the net and didn't get much of a reply:
|> How does someone that wants to learn to dive determine a *good instructor*? 

Probably because this is one of those discussions which seems to take
place periodically and it has all been said before. However, assuming
that most instructors actually hold the qualifications they say they
have, then all you are worried about is their attitude/approach.

Generally if the instructor makes you nervous then common sense
should tell you that this may not be the right person to teach you.
In fact if you feel uncomfortable at all about the training you
should question the situation. Obviously not to be confused with
normal anxiety about doing something new.

The normal teaching procedure is:
        1. Instructor explains the exercise
        2. Instructor demonstrates the exercise
        3. Student attempts to imitate instructor

Again common sense should tell you that if the instructor appears
to be struggling to do 1 or 2 then it may be better for you not to
attempt 3 with this instructor.
 
|> Personally, I place a lot of weight on the instructor's affiliation with
|> a dive store, and that dive store's reputation. If the dive store is in
|> any way questionable, I write-off the instructor as exhibiting poor judgement
|> by being affiliated with that store. Free-lance instructors, on the other
|> hand, are much more difficult to assess, but have a greater potential.
|> 
|> -Joseph Crunk

Good advice but it only applies to certain institutions in some parts of
the world. In SSAC, BSAC and SAA in the UK you join a branch and take
instruction from the other branch members. By the time you get round to
scuba training you generally know most of the branch members and have a
fair idea of who you feel comfortable with.

-- Alan
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awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jlundy@clark.edu (John Lundy)
Subject: test
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:28:07 GMT