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From: hung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gih-Guang Hung)
Subject: Re: OTHMAN BIN AHMAD
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:01:53 GMT

>How should I say it?" The editors or journalists of NS have left out a very
>important possibble evidence which may jourpadise the truth or credibility
>of the news being reported. Since Singapore is 75% chinese, the government is
>controlled by chinese, the media is controlled by the government, we may
>expect this downplaying of important evidence to be very significant".

While I cannot deny the fact that Singapore is 75% chinese and the
downplaying of important evidence to be significant, I am puzzled
why you would choose to single out a race here for the mistake of a
journalist/editor.  Many netters have challenged you on this
point and yet you fail to see the problem.  You are entitled to your
opinion nonetheless.  But it saddens me to see such attitude in any multi-
racial nation.  Condoning such attitude now would only pave ways for the
unnecessary insult/criticism of other races in the future.  Would it be
fair to blame the Malays in Malaysia for the mistakes of a few Malaysians
since its population is predominantly Malays.  NOT !!  Assumptions are 
the roots of most misunderstanding and we have enough of that already on 
this net.

>Is that what you like? I do not see any difference in the meaning of the 2
>sentences? The first one is shorter and I never like to dabble in verbosity.

Misunderstanding always starts when a writer does not make an effort in 
making his/her views clear.  Far from it for me to censor the comments of
netters here or anywhere, I hope WE will ALL have constructive discussion
rather than uncalled for chiding and name-calling.

>	I am too western educated. I read too many English books and stayed in
>Western countries too long. I admire their openness and straight forwardness
>more than our eastern culture.

Yes, western countries are known for their openness and straight forwardness
but openness also demands mutual respect and responsibilities for what one
says or does.

Of course, the above is MHO.  I am not here to defend any nation nor to 
flame anyone.

_Gih Guang
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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re: was Sins of Singapore)
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<Brqx8y.33n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:46:09 GMT

In article <Brqx8y.33n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong) writes:

   Think you could find that article and post it sometime? It should prove
   interesting. But, hey, my good ol' stas prof always says: Stats you
   read or see is what the Statistician wants you to read... ;-). Though I'm
   sure most netters know that already (that's why I'm usually skeptical
   with stats released by govt agencies).

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From: espbl@warwick.ac.uk (FLASH)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysian Prince - What Really happened
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:36:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Jul29.044254.22447@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u913569@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (*** Dodo Cheng ***) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.034800.20048@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:


>> Edmund 

>
>I fully agree with Edmund. This is just a normal domestic dispute......there's
>no point making a big fuss about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>*** Dodo Cheng ***


	***SIGN*** Dodo Cheng!!


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From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Subject: Re: How good (?) is life in Singapore?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:30:02 CDT

In article <1992Jul21.201745.23781@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.235839.7072@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
>>
>>
>> 	[stuff deleted]
>>
>>IMHO, Singapore is a GREAT city - if you like city life. You get easy access
>>to cinemas, shopping centres, swimming pools, squash courts, etc. In Singapore,
>>you get access to most of the 'urban-type' entertainments. However, Singapore
>>is relatively puritanical - you don't get arrested for kissing in public
>>but you won't get to see strippers in nightclubs either. What you do miss out
>>on in Singapore is stuff like rock-climbing or bushwalking. Nothing like a
>>nature reserve exists in Singapore(IMHO, BT Timah Reserve is only a reserve in
>>name). You won't get to commune with nature in Singapore. However, Malaysia is
>>not far away. While K.L. or J.B. is about as 'urban' as Singapore, there are
>>many other places as yet 'unspoilt' within easy reach of Singapore if you feel
>>the need to 'escape' from the CITY to breathe.
>>
	Here! Here! Go to Langkawi Island! It was greaaaaaaat!! (Well, if only
       	U love a 'wild' life, or prefer to sleep in a house without a door,
 	drive a car without a license, ar eat the food using your hand as
	your plate....). It might be exagerated, but U get the point.	
	
>>
>>	[more stuff deleted]
>>
>>
>>Edmund
>
>
>Ting Beng Tak
>beng@cae.wisc.edu
>
>
>
>


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From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: I'sian/Malay Language magazines in Bay Area?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:41:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Does anybody know of a store in the San Francisco Bay Area
that sells Indonesian or Malay language magazines, books,
or newspapers?  What about videotapes? I need practice!

Now that I think of it, what about Thai? Any info would
be appreciated...

...Glen

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From: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ng Pek Yong)
Subject: Re: Internet Guide (was Re: soc-culture-asean)
Reply-To: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Kyoto Univ. dept. of Info. Sci. Tsuda Lab.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:02:58 GMT


 >As Hock Koon Lim (lim@merlion.cwru.edu) was saying, there is a guide
 >call "ZEN: The internet guide" available for beginners, however it is
 >in .ps (postscript) format. Unless you have a postscript printer, you
 >won't be able to print it. I have the ascii version of the document
 >and I'll be willing to send it to anyone if you send me a email.
 >
 >Cheers,
 >
 >***
 >Albert Foo, Campus Computing
 >University of Missouri
 >Internet: uc580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu

Yes I am interested , so please send me a copy.
Thanks in advance.

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From: chuakh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:17:32 GMT

In article <BrqxHt.382@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong) writes:
>harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

>>I raised the concern that without financial help, I could not have attended
>>RI.  The ORA (one of the partners in helping to run RI today), did take this 
>>into consideration as it was a major concern amongst the alumni.  They have 
>>in place scholarship schemes, affliation card schemes (through Standard 
>>Chartered Bank you can get a VISA card that gives some money to ORA for the 
>>scholarship fund - if you want more info, e-mail me) etc.
>
>Wouldn't that actually defeat the purpose of determining who needs
>financial assistance though? With the restrictions on credit card issuance
>you 'd think those who could afford a Visa in Singapore would be
>able to pay RI's fees (Unless that is not intended for the one
>who needs assistance, but is a marketing strategy to increase VISA
>membership among a particular segment of the market, ie RI alum?).

I don't see how the Visa system will defeat the purpose of detrmining
who needs financial assistance.  It only means that the scholarship fund
gets a certain amount of money for purchases made with the card.  Who
gets the money is determined by the scholarship committee or whoever it
is that's in charge of all this.  

I feel that a lot of these problems associated with scholarship schemes
comes from the fact that alumni don't donate enough, if at all.  I don't
have the exact figures of how much RI gets in terms of donations from
old boys and girls but I'm pretty sure it is nowhere when compared to
ACS or Chinese High.  I don't think that RI alumni are in anyway poorer
than their counterparts.  Hopefully, this situation will change soon or
our scholarship funds will be depleted.

From a poor undergrad,
KhengHwa


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From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: PRChina Observer Status rejected by ASEAN, why?
Organization: Ha!
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:10:32 GMT

dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>I read that ASEAN has rejected PR China's request to have their status
>in ASEAN upgraded from Guest to Observer.... can someone please tell
>me why?  Surely, China is the superpower of the region, isn't it a bit
>silly to do that... considering all the things happening in South China
>Sea.

I'm not sure where you got this info.  I do not recall it being mentioned
in the news nor in the local press (ha!).

Right now, only Papua New Guniea has observer status in ASEAN.  PNG's status
as observer makes sense for it is somewhat part of South East Asia. If China 
did request for observer status, it would be rather inappropriate considering
the fact that she is much further north (for all ends and purposes she is East
Asian).  Geography alone would make it difficult to justify.

Back in the late 70s, Sri Lanka wanted to join as a member of ASEAN and was
not satisfied to be an observer or guest.  Sri Lanka's request was not 
accepted.

My 2 cents.

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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:38:34 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <Bs300L.3Ev@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kfboey@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Steve Boey) writes:

>Re: the lighting of the olympic flame...
>>	I'm just glad that the fella didn't miss his target at the opening
>>ceremony !   :-)

>But... he DID miss.  The flames were lit electronically.

If he missed wouldn't the media somehow "mention" it over the course of
the coverage ? I saw saw it on TV and didn't see him miss. Where did 
you get this information from ?

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>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: What is ASEAN?y
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.175810.6367@leland.Stanford.EDU> chuakh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua) writes:
|In article <1992Jul20.094413.1147@guvax.georgetown.edu> ksafar@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
|>    ASEAN is short for the Association of South East Asian Nations, 
|>created in Bangkok in 1967. Member nations are Indonesia, Malaysia, 
|>the Philippines, Thailand, and Brunei (joined in 1984). Three primary 
|
|Hmm, I think you left out Singapore in that list of countries.  Also,
|can someone confirm if Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam are in ASEAN.
|I always see their contingents in the SEA Games but no one has been able
|to tell me if they are member countries of ASEAN.
|
|KhengHwa
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Singapore is a member. Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam are not members
of ASEAN although geographically, they are southeast asian countries.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: steve@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Balogh (+61 3 565 4747))
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Monash University, Melbourne, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:30:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.133404.11775@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>
>Improve on your ENGLISH.
>

This sentence is grammatically incorrect!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:22:53 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Jul27.132700.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>The most impressive part of the ceremony I feel must be the lighting of the
>Olympic flame by the archer.  He must have put in lots of practice.

Ah but if you look at it from another view point, you will see the
arrow being shot across the couldron and the flames shot up - 
obviously lit electronically.  You can't leave these things to chance...
BTW, the archer missed in the dress rehersal.

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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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From: s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (MING)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Olympic: Impressive Start
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:58:45 GMT

The lighting of the olympic torch was spectacular.
It does not matter if the arrow actually lit the fire or
it was done remotely. I think that as long as we enjoyed what
we saw, that should be enough!! :-)

Its like watching a Magic Show! We watch only to be entertained.
Thats what is important!!!

I wonder how far away was the archer from the couldron?? (Mind my sp.)

Ming
From: sya@pe2.pe.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince: New Developments
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:23:26 GMT
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harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

>ytay@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu writes:
>
>[ ...text deleted ... ]
>>Now, Harris Pillay, is going to say this girl is over-sensitive and
>>over-reacting again.
>
>I guess you are referring to me; could have at least got my first name 
>right :-).
>
>Well, if Harris said that you were over-sensitive and over-reacting, I
>suppose he has the right to say so.  I cannot and do not want to vouch for 
>him :-).
>

  Actually, Harris Pillay is me. Or I'm Harris. I'm not sure.
  It's tough being schizophrenic. 

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From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: Cold war against ISLAM (Part-1)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:08:29 GMT

gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>	Come on. It is more than that. You just have to ask a lot more 
>>questions.
>True. You're only asking the wrong ones. Try asking from a civilised/uncivilised
>perspective. To the west, anything not western is considered uncivilised, and
>unfortunately, Islam never was a major part of the western civilisation.
>Christianity was, and you wonder why Christianity is better supported by the
>western media.

Before someone misunderstands me, I know that the numeral system as we know 
them today originated from the Arabs, to name but a few of the Muslim 
achievements, but what I meant was, it was the Christian missionaries who
provided the spiritual guidance during the time the western world developed
into what it is today. I'm not claiming that this was the best, but there's
no denying that this may be one of the reasons for the so-called western
bias, as someone likes to call it.

>>--
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>>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

>Gabriel Ting
>Disclaimer: SFU had NOTHING to do with this post other than letting me post
>this. All views are mine and there's no guarantee on them being the same as
>anybody else's. Discussions welcome. Please redirect flames to >/dev/null.
Same disclaimer applies.
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From: eng20009@nusunix2.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:30:42 GMT

With reference to the article by akster@lelnad.stanford.edu (Aki Shoji),
I would agree that the quality of teaching in Hwa Chong may not be the
best in the world. But we must remember that the objective of a junior
college is to prepare students for the universities. To that end, I
personally think that it has done an excellent job, at least during the
time that I was there. There was little pressure from the tutors. Most
of them don't come after you if you don't attempt your tutorials
questions. You
are treated as a responsible person who can take care of yourself. This
is just like the way the university (at least in NUS) is. Furthermore, I
was able to progress at my own pace, and the tutors did their best to
help the weak students.

Yes, Hwa Chong may not have the best of everything, but well, it worked
for me! :)


Tan Gim Wee
Dept. of Electrical Engineering
NUS
"Everything is possible for him who believes" (Mark 9:23)
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:26:13 GMT
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <Bs300L.3Ev@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kfboey@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Steve Boey) writes:

Re: the lighting of the olympic flame...
>	I'm just glad that the fella didn't miss his target at the opening
>ceremony !   :-)

But... he DID miss.  The flames were lit electronically.

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Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Best Schools in Malaysia and Singapore
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:18:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

Just a short message to point out that the subject for
my previous posting should have been as above.

K.C. Goh
The Perfectionist

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:04:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.170428.2882@memstvx1.memst.edu>, rtssaid@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul26.153348.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>> Malaysia has a sad Olympic record -- 18 million people and zero medals.

> Yes sir..it is very sad indeed. But, how could you compare the no. of medals
> won by a nation with its population? Are you saying that the no. of medals
> won should be proportional to the size of population?

No.

But I am saying that Malaysia has a large population, and it is sad that they
have not won a medal yet.

(Compare this with, say, Aruba.  Island nation with small population, hence
it is not really surprising that they haven't won a medal...  Or Monaco, or
Mauritius, or...)

Rod
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