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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: christmas specials
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:31:09 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
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Organization: Channel 1 Communications

     Every year, animation fans talk about the best animated Christmas
specials, and every year they talk about the same ones - HOW THE
GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS, A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS, MISTER MAGOO'S
CHRISTMAS CAROL, etc.  I think ZIGGY'S GIFT is also a very good
Christmas special; the animation is supervised by Richard Williams
(who also did the animation for WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT).

     But in addition to talking about the best animated Christmas
specials, I want to talk about are some of the WORST animated
Christmas specials - and Lord knows we've seen a lot of them.

Anyone remember "The Glo Friends Save Christmas?"  If you DO remember
it, then I pity you.  :)

There was another version of "A Christmas Carol" called "The Stingiest
Man In Town" that is just plain awful.  It's got Ebenezer Scrooge and
the Ghosts of Christmas and all that - but it's also got a cute little
mouse, with the voice of Tom Bosley.  The mouse narrates the entire
story and explains to the little kiddies in the audience just what's
going on (of course, he witnesses the Spirits and everything), and he
sings too.  (Tom Bosley SINGS?)  The songs are unmemorable, and the
whole show is just blah - especially when compared with Mr. Magoo.
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From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Favorite Series Episodes
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:25:52 GMT
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1992Dec10.153307.29285@alliant.com> russ@alliant.com (Russell McFatter) writes:
>In article <Byssxv.A2q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>>I've been following all the Staurday morning threads, would
>>liek to thank whomever it was who put Galaxy Rangers in the
>>list and with **** too.
>>
>>I'm sorry, but this show has some of my favourite episodes
>>of animated tv of all time.

Mine too!

[descriptions of several episodes skipped]

>The series probably made a few good decisions; the basic concept, of
>course, is that as the human race expands across the universe, there is
>a "frontier" much like the old west, for good reason-- lack of resources
>and law enforcement, unknown native populations; and that the first
>settlers on a planet would most likely be farmers and their families.
>(They take things a bit far with high-tech chromium horses, but there's
>probably some terrain-handling advantage to four-legged vehicles.)  In
>fact, the show has the feel that there were real futurists at work behind
>it; they successfully predicted the development of the Super Collider (the
>ultimate form of which encircles the equator of a small moon); have limited
>(and not always functional) artificial intelligence, and so on.

There were several real live SF writers working on the series -- Brian Daley,
Christopher Rowley, Mick Farren, maybe one or two others I've forgotten.
These guys are probably largely responsible for its high quality.

(Mick Farren is the last SF writer I'd have expected to see working on what
was nominally a children's series ... if you've ever read any of his novels
(especially the brilliant "DNA Cowboys" trilogy) you'll know what I mean!)

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Is MTV still showing Speed Racer?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:18:31 GMT
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In-reply-to: egp41980@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:01:36 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:01:36 GMT, egp41980@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M) said:

egp41980> Is MTV still showing Speed Racer, and if so, when? I watched
egp41980> Sunday nights for the past couple of weeks and on Tuesdays
egp41980> after LTV but didn't see it.  I really want to see the
egp41980> episode with the pinapple.

I saw it this weekend in the morning. Could someone post the full
schedule of it? I didn't even know it was on...
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:18:46 GMT

avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:

>Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
>> Around the World in 80 days?  That isn't the current show out in syndication 
>>is it on weekends???

>No, that's Saban Enterprises' AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 _DREAMS_.  The show
>I'm referring to was produced by Nippon Sunrise (I think) in conjunction
>with a Spanish TV network, and featured a cast of anthropomorphic animals
>(Willy Fogg is a Lion, for example).

It was on Tele 5 in Madrid, and I think Tele 5 is part of a Tuner-type
network thing, as I've seen other 5 stations in europe with the exact
same logo.

It was shown as part of a Bozo SHow type kid afternoon show that
also showed St. Seiya (VERY big in Spain adn France with small kids)
and some little girl anime (the Adventures of Yoko and Saki, lots
of teenage girls with multi coloured hair, small cute animal pets that
ride on ther shoulders, ad magical objects that look like plastic toy 
jewlery, from what I remember from last year) and Kabuto.  Oh, and Dragon Ball (VERY BIG.  Has own snack foods sold in newspaper kiosks).



LJC
who was stuck in Madrid last year languishing for comics in english,
but saw LOTS of animation dubbed in Spanish......








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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: ANIME VS. DISNEY was Re: Cheap animation
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  03:54:20

 RC> *IF* the Anime that trickles over here is bad, then people may
 RC> generalize that all animation is bad.  That's the argument.  It's
 RC> different with cars (in your example) because people need to buy
 RC> cars anyway--they can simply dismiss animation, and THAT would hurt
 RC> the industry.  Now, I don't personally believe that Anime has or can
 RC> hurt the industry in the U.S.--look at Disney's success.
 Very true.  I for am worried that if all the bad Japanimation comes from
Japan is subtitled/dubbed (i.e. girls with guns) that people will start
thinking animation is just a bunch of garbage and nothing else.  And that
could kill off the animation industry COMPLETELY (and we can be looking at the 
'80s when Disney didn't do ANY new animated films and there was little choice 
available in terms of feature animation films and quality animation besides
the "30-minute commericals").  I don't think anybody wants to see THAT happen. 
 AS for Disney, I do say there last 3 films have helped re-vitalize animation 
here in the US an that is a big boost.  But it can't be done in by garbage
animation.
 RC> Disney does not deal with "urban decay, overpopulation, etc."
 RC> because it is depressing and out of their genre.  They have their
 RC> own niche that few can touch.  They've been providing their own
 RC> sense of morality in their films, and IMHO the films do say
 RC> something.  All those horrible aspects of "civilization" are another
 RC> cliche that some other filmmakers are glad to snap up.  Leave Disney
 RC> to what it does best--it is only one studio that produces one
 RC> animated feature a year, all with high expectations and potential
 RC> for profit.  You want to see all those bleak aspects of life?  Read
 RC> the newspapers and watch news programs on TV.
 Good point, Disney has a certain niche and it could be harmful it they were
to do something else (especially under the Disney label).  There are plenty of 
other companies that will do the other stuff and deal with urban decay, etc... 
Heck, maybe Disney *COULD* do a film like that under their touchtone or
hollywood label... (though it is doubtful).
 For those who are upset with Disney not doing films that deal more with
reality, I don't see why... Animation was meant to be a form of escape from
the real world and I don't think Disney with their reputation wantto mess that 
up too much.  
 You want Miyazaki to do babes-in-armor?  Just like there are other companies 
that will do other stuff.  The same is true in Japan, if you want
babes-in-armor you look for the AIC (whatever that means) logo on the
Japanimation you are buying. 

--- Maximus 2.00
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From: ajmiller@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Arkayn)
Subject: Re: ANIME VS. DISNEY was Re: Cheap animation
Keywords: stubborn anime bashers
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:14:59 GMT

In <1gi2blINN7i2@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> bartmann@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ralf Acktories) writes:
>I am missing mature and modern storylines in his works and there is
>no arguing about this point.
>One recycled storyline is followed by the other in the recent Disney
>movies - I am still waiting for a Disney movie dealing with urban decay,
>overpopulation, war, mass destruction and the dangers of a high-
>-tech-future, and, and, and !

Good GOD! I hope we NEVER see that kind of crap coming from Disney. Isn't there
enough depression spewed in the world without the purveyers of fantasy
and escape wreaking havok too? Thanks, but I'll take any Disney over the
news, or your depressing, urban decay, overpopulation, life sucks, "why don't
we all kill ourselves because everything is futile" cartoons.
YUCK!

I get enough shit from life, and depressing people. Thank God for Disney!
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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Return of the Transformer Toys
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:30:28 GMT

In article <fletch.724131301@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>
>>Four Autobots will be released.
>
>	Why only four!!?!?!?!?!??

Don't wanna flood the market.  Think about what happened last time.

>>Three of the Dinobots will be released. 
>>Grimlock (Tyrannosaurus), Slag (Triceratops) , and Snarl (Stegosaurus).
>
>	Where's the Pterodactyl?

Swoop was too fragile.  The wings were fragile, the beak was fragile.  And 
he difficult to transform --- not intellectually difficult, but physically
difficult.  The chest sections were tough to pull apart, and if forced them
apart you would regret it.

>>Two Decepticons will be released.
>
>	Only two?!?!?!?!?!?  What about Megatron??????

Same thing.  Megatron was an extremely complex figure, *not* one you could
figure out how to transform on your own, in all likelihood.  Too complex for
the average kid to figure out, and too fragile as well.  And besides, you know
how the parents' groups dislike realistic pistols.  Decepticon symbol or no,
Megatron's gun mode was pretty realistic-looking, without all those 
extensions (silencer, sight, etc.).
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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Transformers episode list
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:14:55 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

 Since a lot of people seem to be interested in getting Transformers episodes,
 I volunteer to keep a list of all people that want and all people that have. 
 If you want any information of this list, or if you want your name on it,
 please e-mail me. (A list of episodes _would_ be appreciated.) I myself have
 almost the whole third and fourth series -the only one that I don't have is
 "The Quintesson Journal"- and about 20 episodes of the second series (can't
 remember all the titles, sorry).
 Here's a repost of something I requested a few weeks (well, almost) ago:

I'm looking for information about all episodes of the Transformers.
Information should include:
Series (U.S. or Japan)
Series' number (/Transformer, HeadMasters, Victory)
Regular voice actors (original+dub)
Episode
  Title (original+dub)
  Writer (original+dub)
  Synopsis
  Guest voice Actors (original+dub)
  References to other episodes
  Which extra bit (3rd series only)
Your opinion of the correct order of episodes

I'm looking for ANY information to compile a complete "program guide", so if
you don't have all the information, just e-mail me what you do have.
If I get enough information, I'll post the whole list somewhere near the end
of January.

Thanks in advance,

		Boris Ammerlaan

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 P.S. I will, along with the episode list, show availability of the episodes.
From: manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: ANIME VS. DISNEY was Re: Cheap animation
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:39:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <n11aat@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

>You may have a point there.  I was angry when a reviewer out here for the LA
>TIMES was really down on Laputa because he said "it wasn't DISNEY".  But I
>think what has happened is that Disney (at least their last 3 films) has
>SPOILED us with their awesome animation an character designs, and anything
>that looks a notch or two below is considred "totally inferior" to Disney.   

I have the sneaking suspicion that you missed the point I was trying to make
here. The point I was trying to make was that by doing what they have been
doing (Giving the public exactly what they want, but convincing the public
that exactly what they want is exactly what they've got to sell first) they
have fostered the formula that different=bad. ROCK & RULE (Nelvana, 1982?)
could stack up against several of Disney's (Again, note the big "D") more
recent films, in terms of character design and animation, and blow them out
of the water in terms of storyline, but because it isn't done by disney and
in the disney style, it isn't any good. 

  This is a big problem when I try to introduce anime to people. I haul out
my alltime favorate anime film (WINGS OF HONEAMISE, if you're curious) to
show them. When it's done, I ask them what they thought.  The words "It's
different" will be the first things out of their mouth. In one instance, one
person said "I didn't like it." When I asked why, she said "It didn't have
any songs, cartoon movies always have songs."

It isn't a matter of us being 'spoiled' by disney product, it's just that
(IMNSHO) da big D has cornered the market for so long that if something
different (as anime most definately IS) comes along we make the sign of the
cross at it. Kinda like (I belive it was) Socrates' story about the cave: If
we have been trained from birth to belive that something is true, even when
it isn't, we will reject other truths, even if they are just as valid.....
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animatio
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:44:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1g80t8INNgl3@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST801964@brownvm.brown.edu (Cloo) writes:
>
>When Beauty and the Beast came out I remember them raving about how
>Belle had bigger eyes than any previous Disney character, including Ariel.
>Disney is definitely increasing the size of their eyes, not necessarily
>saucer-eyes, but they are definitely getting the "big-eyed" look, at least,
>bigger than necessary.

Big eyes are very expressive, and they reflect how Disney has
changed their treatment of their heroines.  They don't bother me
because the women are cartoon characters with faces to accommodate
their large eyes.  Truly normal-sized eyes would make them look like
moles.  The only problem with the stereotypical Anime girl eye is
the multiple reflections (just how many light sources could there
be?), which makes them look like they're constantly on the verge of
bursting into tears.


- Robert Cook
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From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: BTAS: silly villians
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:50:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.052854.15550@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.022332.23839@b30.ingr.com>, mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>|> 
>|> [stuff deleted]
>|> 
>|> BUT, some of the bad guys are utterly silly.  A werewolf??  Man-bat??
>|> Mr. Freeze??  The guy in Feat of Clay??  The first two violate,among other 
>|> things, the first law of thermodynamics.  Mr. Freeze:  earth biochemistry 
>|> can't function below the freezing point of water ( the organisms in the
>|> polar regions heat themselves up ).  
>|> 
>|> [stuff deleted]
>|> 
>|> If they would just get rid of this silliness, the series would be
>|> much better ( IMNSHO ).
>
>BTAS is one of the few animated series that have been true to the comics
>from which they originated.  Most, if not all, of the villains featured
>in BTAS first made their appearances in Batman comics, including
>outlandish ones like Man-Bat, Mr. Freeze, and ClayFace.
>
>In the comics, Batman lives in the DC Comics universe, a universe in
>which he regularly encounters superpowered heroes and villains, and
>supernatural and magical beings.
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
>				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU

I don't read the comics, but in "Off Balance" wasn't the vertigo character
significanly different?  In that his vertigo power was inherent in the
comics, but he used a device in BTAS?

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: BTAS: silly villians
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.022332.23839@b30.ingr.com>, mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
> 
[Phil likes BTAS, especially because Batman is "just a man"]
> 
> BUT, some of the bad guys are utterly silly.  A werewolf??  Man-bat??
> Mr. Freeze??  The guy in Feat of Clay??

Umm... you seem to forget that Batman is an American Comicbook Superhero.
And as such, villains and heroes who routinely break the laws of science
are his stock-in-trade.  I should mention that ALL the villains mentioned
above come from the BATMAN comic book.

> If they would just get rid of this silliness, the series would be
> much better ( IMNSHO ).

But it wouldn't be Batman.  I'd love to see some GOOD story without
resorting to fantastic elements, though.  That's why I say BATMAN: THE
ANIMATED SERIES goes some steps in the right direction, but the animation
industry over here still has miles to go...
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Humans in Transformers
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:24:20 GMT


The two I can remember are
  Spike -- Kid, son of (can't remember name)
  Chip -- Handicapped kid (teenager?), in a wheelchair

One whose name I can't remember is Spike's father, who is a
mechanic of some sort.

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From: rmv2498@tamuts.tamu.edu (Ryan Mark Vurlicer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:01:39 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
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In article <n118at@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

	Hurm.  I almost hate to do this, but one little comment below kind
of jumped out at me.

[del overhashed use of "saucer-eyed slut" comments]

> Too bad that Robot Carnival and Nadia couln't been done by AnimEigo and
>subtitled properly.  Why does it always seem that the copy that does great
>dubbing work picks out the worst pieces of junk to dub (Bubble Gum Crisis,
>Orange Road, Lum, Vampire Princess Miyu) (oops I mean company not copy) and
>the company that did the lousy job in dubbing (Streamline with Carl Macek) end 
>up getting the good quality stuff like Robot Carnival and Nadia?   I guess you 

[del to end]

>--- Maximus 2.00


	Right.  I already know your problems with BGC, Orange Road, and UY. 
However, I have got to admit a burning curiosity to hear what problems you had
with Vampire Princess Miyu.  To my mind, calling it a piece of junk (indeed,
one of the worst)  says that you have seriously missed something (or indeed have
it confused with something else).  A couple of extra specks in the eyes (if
indeed it has those hideous evil nasty horrible devil-worshipping specks) could
in no way make it "junk".  While opinions vary, there are usually reasons for
those opinions; I would be interested in knowing yours.


Ryan Vurlicer