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From: brad@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brad Saxton)
Subject: English Language Services in Japan (Osaka)i
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:12:41 GMT

I will be travelling to Osaka, Japan in a couple of weeks and will be staying
for up to 6 months. Since I'm a bit of a news junkie, and don't speak any
Japanese yet, I would like to find some English language media services in
Osaka. Anything will do: newspapers, private radio, BBC worldwide, CBC Overseas,
etc. 

Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. If you have any 
information, please e-mail specific locations to purchase, radio frequencies,
etc.


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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:12:52 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>	gaijin		white Americans, anyone that looks like them, 
>			anyone that speaks English

[* rest of list removed *]

>	These are often used in daily life, except specifying a nationality of
>	a person as on TV and newspapers.   Some people use these with humili- 
>	ation agaist those they are refering to.  Ordinary people use them 
>	WITHOUT such a kind of prejudice against anyone, which I don't like,
>	though.  (some of us are too innocent to be good)

Yes, somepeople use 'gaijin' in a negative way (as in "No gaijin will
ever marry my daugther!") and some in just an ordinary way. And some
will use it in a negative way but say they didn't mean it when somebody
complains :-)

>	Just for a reference.

For further reference, here in the Kansai there are three sub-divisions
of 'gaijin':

	futsu gaijin	just off the boat, don't know anything about Japan

	henna gaijin	"strange" gaijin: can use chopsticks, can
 			speak Japanese better than many native
			speakers, know more history than many natives,
			disliked by many people because of this

	kawai gaijin	"scary" gaijin, likes to seduce Japanese 
			women (often comes to Japan for that purpose)

Dave

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From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:05:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug20.180105.7746@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <907@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.204502.1796@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>   Once I came across a Japanese girl who absentmindly said that Manchuria
>>   STILL should be Japanese.
>>
>>And if you come to Britain you will meet plenty of people who think
>>that India should still be a British colony; I hope you would not
>>judge me by what some moronic Brit says.
>
>NO, of course not. But it is dangerous for some people to bear the idea, 
>isn't it?

True, think how many people still considering Taiwan a part of China.

TY Huang
From: jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:11:28 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <7084@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill
Lambert) writes:

|> 
|> They [VISA] also don't tell you the YEN value of the charge
|> on their statement, or the exchange rate used for the
|> calculation. As luck would have it, I did catch a
|> mistake that time, but it's not so easy. The reason
|> I caught a mistake is that two charges the same day
|> at the same store (different departments) seemed to
|> have different exchange rates (hence my inquiry as to
|> how the exchange rate is calculated), but actually
|> there was an entry mistake on one charge. Be careful.
|> 

As everyone pointed out, I was probably out to lunch when I
thought I was getting a worse exchange rate for traveler's 
checks.

However, I am fairly certain that the Visa card that I have
(AT&T Universal Card) does indeed show the exchange rate (and
original yen price) on the statement.  I beleive city bank
Master Card does this as well.  I remember noticing the good
exchange rate as soon as I got the bill.

So, I guess it depends on the particular charge card that you
have.

--
John Eisenman (jice@sgi.com)

Silicon Graphics Computer Systems
7U-550
2011 N. Shoreline Blvd.		
P.O. Box 7311		
Mt. View, CA 94039-7311		

(415) 390-1551
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:10:05 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:

>smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>continue to teach and promote hatred will very likely be the cause of future
>>problems.
>What problem? Do you mean China would invade Japan to get its revenge?

>Forgiveness only comes after a sincere apology. To teach history doesn't
>mean to promote hatred. You certainly can not expect Jewish forget
>Halocaust and Chinese forget Nanjin Massacre. You seem to expect us
>forgetting everything while let go of the other side which has yet to
>take any proper action.

Yes I would agree that forgiveness only comes after a sincere
apology (and an apology that is given after been demanded by
somebody else is hardly ever sincere :). But the Japanese being
forgiven is a Japanese problem, isn't it. 

As for expecting the Jewish to foget the Holocaust and the Chinese
to forget the Nanjin Massacre, I think it wouldn't be possible to
forget. But I do think it would in their best interests to distance
themselves from the bad feelings as their constant complaining and
demand for apologies (especially in harsh and abrasive language)
haven't won them many friends. 

>I sincerely hope the A-bomb victim museum in Japan is not for the next
>generation Japaness to drop an A-bomb in Washington.

Probably not, but there is some question about the dual purpose use
of the satellite launcher than can also deliver warheads to China
and Korea. After all, China is a nuclear power, would could blame if
it decided to do likewise? Not that I think it's a good idea, of course...

Dave

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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:35:00 GMT

In article <7082@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes...
>In article <SMITTIE.92Aug18160456@beach.csulb.edu>, 
>smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
> 
>=> Bill, you gotta give me at least a little credit for trying.
> 
>I'll give you a helluvalot of credit for trying. Please keep at it.
> 
>=> I figured I was blowin' in the wind when I posted.
> 
>Me too. I just wanted to tell deafs ears that pleas for reason
>would fall on deaf ears.
> 
>But hey.... me thinks I sees a glimmer of rational dialogue
>starting to appear from amongst the emotional chaos. Shall
>we wait a little and see if the wind blows your way?

I think you spoke too soon.  It looks like a hurricane a-comin'.
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From: atluri@berlioz.nsc.com (Venkata R. Atluri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,sci.lang.japan
Subject: Penpals from Japan: Wanted !
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:16:40 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Originator: atluri@monet

Hello,

        I would like to make some penpals from Japan, About myself
I am a 30 year old engineer, single male, living in the Silicon valley
USA. I will give more details If I hear from some one. 

Thanks

--atluri

atluri@berlioz.nsc.com
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:29:38 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, jfriedl+@cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:
>jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman) writes:
>|> When I visited Japan about a year and a half ago, I found that
>|> using US $ traveler's checks where a bad deal.
>|> In Japan I exchanged my US traveler's checks for yen.  I did this at
>|> a bank.  The exchange rate for traveler's checks was much lower
>|> (at least 8 yen/dollar) than the exchange rate for cash, and even
>|> that was not very good.
>Well, don't know what to say about your experiences.  I deal with
>yen<->dollar transactions all the time, and your experiences are so very
>very far out of the ordinary that I'm wondering if you might be remembering
>wrong.

I agree.  I can't for the life of me ever recall seeing a better rate for
cash than for T/C.
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From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:38:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug22.203554.16438@u.washington.edu> yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>
>Why are the "*jins" degrading? Do they have any specific negative definition?
>
	No, not really.  "JIN" is just another reading of a character "HITO,"
	which means "human, pearson, people."

			|
			|	hito
		       / \      jin
		     /     \_

	We use this character and the same reading when we refer to ourselves as	"nihonjin/nipponjin (Japan-people)."

	When I am asked what I refer to a South Korean, I would say "Kankokujin"
	and a Chinese, "Chuugokujin."  An American would be "Amerikajin" and
	a Saudi would be "Sauji-arabia jin."

		name of country + jin =  person/people of (country name).

	There is NO degrading in the character and its reading themselves.


	What I don't like is that when many people in Japan hear "gaijin,"
	which originally is a contraction of "gaikokujin" = outside-country-
	person/people, they usually associate a person who "has white skin, 
	*blue* eyes, blond hair, and speaks English."  :-<

	I myself use "gaikokujin" to refer to ANY non-Japanese personal and 
	never use "gaijin," and have told my previous students this position, 
	too.  When I refer to a person from a particular nation, I would say
	"(country name)-jin."  This is a correct usage of Japanese.


	Just for a reference.

					Tetsuya Nishimura






>-- 
>    .  .      +---------------------------------+
>  --|--|      | Mark Yeon Wook Choi             |
>   /.\ |      | yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu |
>  --|--|      +---------------------------------+
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:37:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug22.155241.13261@u.washington.edu> yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>Hmm, they copy Chinese! =). I've always thought Japanese called Koreans
>"chosen-jin", maybe I am mistaken? However, I know for a fact that there
>is a name for Koreans and Chinese, and it isn't just "Gaijin".

	gaijin		white Americans, anyone that looks like them, 
			anyone that speaks English

	gaikokujin	probably non-white foreigners as in "gaikokujin 
			roudousha (foreign workers)"

	kokujin		anyone of any nationality whose color of skin is far
			darker than Japanese

	chuugokujin	a Chinese

	choosenjin	a North/South Korean

	kankokujin	a (North)/South Korean

	firipinjin	a Philipino
				*the last four groups of Asian do not
				 belong to "gaijin"*


	These are often used in daily life, except specifying a nationality of
	a person as on TV and newspapers.   Some people use these with humili- 
	ation agaist those they are refering to.  Ordinary people use them 
	WITHOUT such a kind of prejudice against anyone, which I don't like,
	though.  (some of us are too innocent to be good)


	Just for a reference.

					Tetsuya Nishimura
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Fare from Osaka Airport into town
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:03:51 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kenji@reseau.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

>A roughly-written topology of three major Hankyu Lines:

What a great map! Only it need a couple of additions:


               Takarazuka               Kenji's House :)
                   |     walk               || walk
               Ishibashi ==== Osaka University Toyonaka Campus
         BUS       |
Airport ===== Hotaruga-ike
                   |
                   |<- Takarazuka Line
                   |
                   |                  Dave's house :)
     Kobe Line     |    Kyoto Line         || walk
Kobe ------------ Juso -------------- Nagaokakyoshi --- Kyoto (Kawaramachi)
(Sannomiya)        |                 (Nagaokatenjin)
                   |
                 Umeda (All three lines get here)
                   ||
                   ||
                JR Osaka station
                Hanshin Umeda station
                Subway Umeda/Higashi-Umeda/Nishi-Umeda stations
                   |                |
                   |                | <- Tanimachi line
                   |                | 
                  Namba          Ebisucho (Buy computer stuff here!)
                   |                |    
                   |                |
                   + ----------- Tennoji
                                    
Dave

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Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:37:29 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>I chose not to quote <1992Aug18.023235.15559@news.nd.edu> from
>ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu because reading it once was more than enough for me.

Yup. Sort of like having somebody come up and scream in your ear ...
and he's not even pissed off you, but somebody else :-)

>When there are people such as this "ylu" making these kinds of statements
>(which by the way come up every time this topic is run thru the mill) it
>becomes plainly obvious to me that while Japanese aggression indeed affected
>many people in terrible ways they, at least in comparison, have learned
>civility and decency. If what I see here is any demonstration, many Chinese
>have a lot to learn.

I think the question nowadays isn't who did what do who when but are
these guys ever going to get together? Without taking sides as to
who was at fault, I have to admit that the Japanese penchant for
silence is a lot easier on my life than the screaming ylu's. 

But, <whew>, thank goodness we have kill files and I'd like to thank
whoever invented this wonderous device!

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:36:48 GMT
Reply-To: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Organization: Electronic Engineering Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <Aug.19.14.43.01.1992.1604@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
   What problem? Do you mean China would invade Japan to get its revenge?

Let's examine this. Japan has a standing army of what, 300,000 or so?
The Peoples Liberation Army is what, some 4,000,000 or so?  Who fought
in the Korean war. Which of the two invaded Tibet within the last 50
years. Which more recently invaded Vietnam. Which army was prepared to
massacre its own people but three years ago. Which country has nuclear
weapons.

It seems to me that the Japanese have far more reasons to fear the
Chinese than the Chinese have the Japanese. Or maybe you will tell me
that the Japanese as a race (or ethnic group for you who refuse to
acknowledge the Japanese as a separate race) are predisposed to
violence, whereas the Chinese aren't.

Malcolm Smith
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:28:30 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:

>Why are the "*jins" degrading? Do they have any specific negative definition?

Sure, they aren't Japanese! That's enough, isn't it? 

Only (half) kidding :-) But if you look back at what was said by
somebody said about being "pure" Japanese, I think you can get the idea.

Note also, that being fully 100% pure seems to mean 1) born in
Japan, 2) of Japanese parents, 3) only speaking Japanese, 4) only
acting Japanese. 

Some students returning from abroad (due to their father being sent
there for a few years but the company) can also be called '*jin' as
some people don't think they are fully Japanese anymore. From time
to time there are articles in the English papers about the special
schools that are set up for them as many times they can't integrate
into a normal ("pure") Japanese school.

So don't feel that the kind of person who take pride in being "pure
Japanese" (and looks down on anybody who isn't) is discriminating
against you or your country in particular. They seem to discriminate
against everybody! 

Not that every Japanese national feels that way; there are plenty
who don't. But it only takes a few "pure" ones to make your life
miserable so best to avoid them.

Dave

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Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
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From: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:37:02 GMT
Reply-To: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Organization: Electronic Engineering Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Aug19.185119.22497@Princeton.EDU> karchang@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kar Man Chang) writes:
>To use a much tamer analogy, if someone mistreated you once, would you
>trust him afterwards?  If he apologizes, at least I know that he knows
>he did something wrong, and our relationship can probably start all over
>again.  But if he doesn't, I will be under the impression that he
>does not think that what he did is wrong, that we have very different
>standards of opinion, and we may never be able to interact beneficially.

Tamer analogy? How about fatuous. We are not dealing with an
individual but a nation of individuals. Perhaps if we are going to put
it in such simple terms how about: if someone mistreated you once
would you get your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren
to shout names and invective at his children, grandchildren, and
great-grandchildren? Do his grandchildren owe your grandchildren an
apology for his actions even if they weren't born at the time of those
actions? How about having a blood-feud over the matter -- that will
certainly solve all the problems.

Malcolm Smith
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From: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Organization: Electronic Engineering Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
      Germany and the rest of Europe have laid the past to rest because
   Germany has satisfied the requirements of providing true education to
   its people and compensation to other nations (including the state of
   Israel).

I'm afraid this is simply not the case. Fears are expressed here in the
UK all the time about German domination of Europe ("They tried it
before, they'll try it again", "Remember the death-camps", "They may
claim to have changed but you know the Germans  -- they're all Nazi's
at heart"). No apology will ever stop this. What has happened is that
politicians generally don't voice these fears in public.

The situation is exactly the same with regard to Japan and her
neighbours. We have seen plenty of hysterical rants over the past few
days from Chinese and Koreans. They display a deep-seated
anti-Japanese feeling. No apology will destroy this racism. Japanese
war crimes are just an excuse for racism.

Japan must aplogise for the crimes her people committed during the
Second World War.  What difference will it make? None. Chinese and
Koreans will still hate the Japanese; though maybe they won't be able
to fill various newsgroups with racist diatribes.

Malcolm Smith
From: fsdhp@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Manzanar et al.
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:20:45 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Re the internment camps.
a) It's worse than most people think. The FBI did a thorough investigation
   _before_ the curfews (later detentions then removal and confinement)
   started.  The specific question was whether there was any activities or
   groups among the Japanese-Americans which might give aid and comfort to
   Japan. The investigation covered the areas that later had the internments.
   It was completed.  It gave the Japanese-American community a "clean bill
   of health" and did so unambiguously.  But one or two people in the State
   Department "felt" differently, so into the camps they went. The courts were
   a rubber-stamp for the Roosevelt cabinet.  The ACLU is a good source here.

b) On the other hand, the US govt owes its groveling apology (and lots of $$
   promised) to the families it harmed, certainly not to Japan (what does
   Japan have to do with it? Except that the inflammatory broadcasts urging
   every American of Japanese descent to remember he was a Japanese and duty
   bound to work for Japan first did not help the matter). I bring this up
   because some people think the camps are some sort of counter to Pearl
   Harbor. The counter to P.H. is the _50_ years that have gone by and the fact
   that the war cost them their independence(temporarily), their empire  and
   countless lives.

Another hysterian for demockracy
D. Pennell
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan