HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barkdoll@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Edwin Barkdoll)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Raccoon question
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:54:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct14.121016.3740@brtph560.bnr.ca> jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com (JB) writes:
>I am a licensed wild animal rehabilitator who specializes in raccoons. 
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Astounding!

>Yesterday, I received notice from my state wildlife commission that due
>to reports of rabies in this state, rehabilitation of raccoons is
>prohibited.  I am in NC, and have had the pre-exposure series of
>vaccinations for rabies.  My pets are vaccinated.

	Your situtation is probably typical of rehabbers in the Mid
Atlantic rabies epizootic.

>Questions:
>Are there other rehab-ers out there and/or a net that might lead me to
>them?

	There is a veterinary mailing list which might be helpful.
Email me for the address.

>Do any of you guys have info on the recent spread of rabies in your area
>or any laws relating?

	The midAtlantic epizootic most likely originated from raccoons
transported by hunting clubs for hunting into WVa from the Florida
epizootic in the late '60's or early '70's.  I didn't think that
rabies had spread significantly from FL or from the midAtlantic staes
to NC.  Guress I was wrong.

Edwin Barkdoll
barkdoll@cattell.psych.upenn.edu
eb3@world.std.com
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From: vsh@etnibsd.uucp (Steve Harris)
Subject: Re: Encountering contraband in the backcountry
Organization: Eaton Corp, Semiconductor Equipment Div., Beverly, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:20:15 GMT

In John McPhee's recent New Yorker article about California geology he
reports that several geologists have been killed by marijuana growers
in remote parts of California.  Seems the Feds mascarade as geologists
when tracking down the growers.

-- 
... Steve Harris - Eaton Corp. - Beverly, MA - vsh%etnibsd@uunet.uu.net
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Mummy vs. rectangular ??
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:59:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Oct11.205927.7733
Distribution: na
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866

After using my synthetic rectangular bag since 1980, I'm definitely
getting a down bag (I'm getting old, the bag gets heavier with each
passing year, my backpack's getting no lighter).  I just got back from
an overnighter, it got cold!  Been thinking.... what about a mummy
style bag?  I plan on buying a 3 season bag.  I like to stretch out
in a bag, I toss and turn.  Most of my camping is in late spring,
summer, early fall.  Only occasionally do I go out in colder weather.
So:
	1)  Do mummies constrict you too much in not-so-cold weather?
	2)  Does it drive you nuts not being able to swing your
	    feet apart in the bag?
	3)  What about turning (back to stomach to side, repeat....)?
	    Is a mummy only good for a deep sleep in one position?
In short... Is a mummy bag only advisable for colder weather (they
_do_ make a 3 season mummy.. ?? ) ?




-- 
Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@skidmore.edu
Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391

[.... old sig has been retired.  New sig isn't ready yet. ]
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Backcountry in the Movies
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:24:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct15.195405.25444@advtech.uswest.com>, cole@maverick ( Cole Keirsey) writes:
> How about "Aguirre, the Wrath of God."  This is a German language film
> by Werner Herzog.  The story follows a group of Conquistadors who cross
> the Andes and try to raft down the Amazon to the Atlantic.  It was
> filmed on location, and the scenery is awesome.  I think the German
> title was just "Aguirre."

I once heard this film described by a critic as "Richard III on a raft!"

Any votes for Jerimiah Johnson (sp?). Robert Redford, lots of snow + mountains.

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
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From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: At last! Deyhydrated beer
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:03:54 GMT

In article <Oct08.223654.69690@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
|>In article <BvtDvK.6wK@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
|>>
|>>Packaged Beer Lightens The Load
|>>
|>>PRODUCT: South Hills dehydrated beer.
|>
|>Dehydrated beer?  Oh, you mean scotch.
|>

Sounds like cheap scotch.  Expensive scotch is really
freeze-dried beer.


--
Greg Jahn Boise State Univ.|'I decided to just lie low and let events
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu /|take their course. Maybe that's the way
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    /|the sheep think as they are led off to the
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  /|the slaughterhouse.' On marriage, Camilo Cela
From: landowsk@hydrogen.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Wolves
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:23:08 GMT
Organization: Montana State University

In article <1992Oct10.043759.22230@news.Hawaii.Edu> teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.203820.3003@hellgate.utah.edu> allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>>A sad note, I heard this through a friend so I would wait and see if it
>>makes the papers.  Over the weekend a wolf was shot and killed outside
>>of Yellowstone.  From what he heard the person who shot it knew it was
>>a wolf.  In Wyoming the wolf is still considered a preditor and can be
>>shot without question.  However, I believe the Endangered Species
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Act would override any state law.  In someways all this is good and bad
> ^^^
>>news, maybe there are more wolves in the area than people think but we can
>>not afford to lose one to some SOB shooting it.
>
>
There was a wolf, or wolf-like animal shot last week, just south of Yellowstone
Park.  The news articles that I've read say that it appeared to be the lead
animal in a pack of 4-5, and weighed in at 93 pounds.  The rangers are not
willing to commit to it being a wolf until after DNA testing is completed,
mainly because it muddies the issue of wolf reintroduction into the park.  My
understanding is that if the wolves are already there, they are protected 
under the endangered species act.  If they are not, and are "artificially"
introduced, they are considered experimental, and can be shot by ranchers if
they venture beyond the park boundaries.  The person who shot the animal
claims to not have known it was a wolf, but was hunting coyotes, and notified
park rangers as soon as he realized his error.

Disclaimer:  this is from the Bozeman (Montana) Daily Chronicle.  Enough said.

Terry Landowski
Department of Microbiology
Montana State University
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From: vcdrrhx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Rich Hunter)
Subject: Tents on the AT?
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:24:47 GMT

I am planning a short trip (Springer to Mid-NC) the first part of December
and would like to know if a tent is necessary.  Are the shelters sufficient
and convenient enough or would a tent be worth its weight?  I expect to be
on the AT for about 10 days.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bears attacking people?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:09:18 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Perrin-141092111556@131.162.1.9> Perrin@max.Acadiau.ca (Louise Perrin) writes:
 
|I grew up going to campgrounds in Canada that had bears wandering through
|them.  We always went to the car, etc. to get out of their way. In other
|words, I had a healthy respect for bears. I always thought that doing that
|was safe until I was on a trip with some Girl Scouts in Yosemite and Mama
|bear broke the back window of our leader's car and sent the cubs into get
|the food.  Until then I had never heard of bears breaking into cars.   

A guy that was in charge of bear management in Sequoia National Park told
me about another incident of a bear breaking in a car.  Some fool had put
his ice chest in plain view in the front seat of his small Japanese car.
The bear looked in, knew that food was usually found in ice chests and wanted
it.  So he put his claws in between where the top of the door meets the top
of the car and pulled the top half of the door horizontal and climbed in.

He told another story of a guy that was inside a large camper that heard some
noises outside.  He went out to investigate and walked around the camper.  
When he came back around to the door he could arrived in time to see the hind
quarters entering his camper.  All he could do was sit there and wait while
the bear thrashed the inside of the camper looking for food.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
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From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Subject: Re: Austrian Berghuette
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:42:57 GMT

In article <bytw-131092135152@mcnetj.calvin.edu>,
bytw@calvin.edu (Randy Bytwerk) writes:
>  I'm planning a trip to Austria next summer, and want to spend at least
>one night in one of the mountain huts. I've stayed in several before, but
>this time  I'll be travelling with people who haven't done a lot of
>mountain walking. I'm looking for a hut that is in suitably spectacular
>surroundings, but that isn't outrageously difficult to reach.
>                I'd welcome suggestions from those who have experience hiking there.

I can't remember the name, but there is one that you reach by taking
the tram out of Inssbruek then hiking east along the crest for a few
miles.  If you can find a map of the Karwendel that includes
Inssbruek, I think these fairly vague recollections may come clear.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Subject: Re: Coyotes (was Re: Wolves)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:18:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.151217.4947@midway.uchicago.edu>,
chappell@willy.uchicago.edu (Chappell) writes:
>
>A previous writer mentioned coyotes tracking and killing deer.  I'm no
>expert, but this doesn't seem possible.  If I were your typical
>mule-tail deer, and saw several coyotes tracking me, I would have a good
>giggle and sharpen my hooves.
>
>In Malibu, they are reputed to prey on cats.  An admirable niche.
>
The deer reference probably means the old, werk, injured and the
very joung.  --  Tough luck for Bambi!
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From: whetten@emipx1.eas.asu.edu (Frank L. Whetten)
Subject: Re: Coyotes (was Re: Wolves)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:03:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.151445.5056@midway.uchicago.edu> chappell@willy.uchicago.edu (Chappell) writes:

>A previous writer mentioned coyotes tracking and killing deer.  I'm no
>expert, but this doesn't seem possible.  If I were your typical
>mule-tail deer, and saw several coyotes tracking me, I would have a good
>giggle and sharpen my hooves.


I'm no expert either, but I _can_ say that coyotes can drop into a
lope that will out-run a horse, a dog, a person, or ... (put your
animal here).  I've followed them on horseback for hours (my horse was
in training for endurance), the coyotes just run and run and don't
seem to get tired.  I'd bet that they can run a deer down.

--Frank
From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Are gaz (butane) cartridges available in Chile?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:55:07 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <1992Oct16.011436.9851@news.Hawaii.Edu>
lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen) writes:

>Does anyone know if those blue Gaz cartridges are available in
>Chile?  If not, what fuels are available?  I've got a choice
>between my white gas stove and a butane stove, and I hope I can
>at least use the latter (I have no hope for white gas).

Suunto USA distributes a flyer listing the countries where Gaz cartidges are
available.  Their address is:

	SUUNTO USA
	2151 Las Palmas Drive
	Carlsbad, CA  92002

	Ph #: (619) 931-6788

Camping Gaz comes in four cartridge types, CV360, GT106, C206, and CV470.
Only C206 is available in Chile, and most likely only in Santiago.  I'd give
SUUNTO a call to make sure.  Hope this helps.

Cary Czichon
czichon@csc.ti.com
From: barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (spacesareforthefeebleminded)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bears attacking people?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:24:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct15.230348.10386@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.162722.3740@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith) writes:
>>Hmm.  Bears sound a bit too unreliable for me to feel too comfortable
>
>I would think bear-caused injuries or death is lower than many other causes
>in the backcountry.  

	Well, 20 years ago the ~100 year average rate for grizzly
sustained injuries in NA national parks was about 1-2/million
visitors, death rate ~1/30 million visitors.

	For comparison the death rate of deer hunters shooting
each other at about the same time was about 1/100,000 deer hunters,
i.e. 300-fold greater.

-- 
Edwin Barkdoll
barkdoll@lepomis.cattell.psych.upenn.edu
barkdoll@cattell.psych.upenn.edu
eb3@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: flb@lune.berkeley.edu (Frederick Lee Burghardt)
Subject: Re: Encountering contraband in the backcou
Reply-To: flb@lune.berkeley.edu (Frederick Lee Burghardt)
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:17:13 GMT

In article <14900@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
writes:
|> 
|> O.K. we've got marijuana growers in California and bootleggers in Kentucky
|> so far.  Let me add another data point.
|> 
|> I read a book awhile back called "Running the Amazon".  I don't recall the
|> authors name but it's an incredibly fasinating book about a group of people
|> that "ran" the entire length of the Amazon river from it's source at over
|> 17k' to the mouth at ocean.  During the trip they came across some sections
|> that had never been charted that had some incredible rapids.  At one point
|> their journey led them to a sandbar where their camp was broken by gunshots
|> over their heads.  They were in the heart of sandanistan guerrilla territory
|> and their coca fields.  They were captured but managed to negotiate their
|> escape by giving up three six packs of beer.  I've never been in a kayak
|> in my life but thoroughly enjoy this book.  
|> 
|> -- 
|> +==========================================================================+
|> | John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
|> | johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
|> +==========================================================================+

Hmmm.  I'm surprised that the Sandanistas didn't drink the beer during
the negotiations.  Seems like the explorers has a pretty lousy negotiating
position.  Maybe this illuminates another reason why the Sandanistas are
no longer in power in Nicaragua.  BTW, what were they doing way down
there in South America?

Lee

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Subject: Need info on hiking/backpacking in Chile
Originator: lisap@olomana
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:00:27 GMT

Greetings!

I wonder if anyone on the net has done any hiking or backpacking
in Chile?  I am planning on being there in mid-December for about
7-10 days (flexible) and would like some suggestions on where to
go.  I'm having trouble finding books and maps in the libraries
here, and the books that I do find have poor maps.  

I will be travelling with a Spanish-speaking friend and both
of us are experienced backpackers.  In general, I prefer wet areas 
rather than desert, and like mountains with lots of relief.  I'd 
also prefer lower elevations because it's usually warmer, but I 
don't have problems with altitude sickness, so if there's 
something worth seeing at higher elevations I will go.  What do you
suggest?

Some questions: 
1.  Should I get some vaccinations before I leave?
2.  I have a First Need water filter - should I take it?  The
    filter has been sitting around unused for 6 years -- should
    I replace it or is it still good?
3.  Should I buy freeze-dried food (hate the stuff), or can I
    buy lightweight "normal" food in Santiago?
4.  Is Torres del Paine/Patagonia worth the time & expense of
    getting there?  Or would I be just as well off in the
    mountains near Santiago?

Thanks a lot in advance!

Lisa Petersen

From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:48:32 GMT
Subject: Re: An Insight
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

> The planet is a lot like your body...

But in a larger scale also different.  If we vanished, in 50 million
years the planet would be doing just fine -- geologically and
biologically -- and our only traces would be buried fossils.

I take comfort in this even as I realize the healing ability only lasts
until the earth cools enough to stop continental drift and volcanism, or
until the sun expands into a red giant and engulfs the earth, whichever
comes first.
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bears attacking people?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:03:11 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research and Environmental Staff

In article 3740@afterlife.ncsc.mil, mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith) writes:
|>Hmm.  Bears sound a bit too unreliable for me to feel too comfortable
|>wandering around in the back country.
|>

Yup. They are really bad. So stay home.  (;-)

|>Out of curiosity, is there any way to protect oneself against a bear
|>(besides taking preventive measures; let's assume you're hiking and you
|>come across a bear and s/he's not too terribly pleased about it)?
|>
Avoidy bad situations is the best. Make noise as you travel. Don't
leave food or garbage around. Don't confront a bear, especially if
it injured or a mother with cubs.

|>I certainly wouldn't ever take a gun hiking (or ever buy one, for that
|>matter); if I was being attacked by a bear, and I sprayed, say, insect
|>repellent in its eyes (from an aerosol can), would it run away?  :)

I would expect you might irritate the bear highly. Decide if this
is what you want to do.

|>
|>How about mace?

Maybe, but I wouldn't want to get that close.

|>
|>Or what if I started singing really loudly?

I had the presence of mind to do this, it would probably drive away ANY
reasonable animal within 500 yards.


---
	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research and Environmental Staff
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
From: mtucker@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Backcountry in the Movies
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:45:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Robert Redford in Jerimiah (sp?) Johnson.  It was a favorite of
mine as a younger man......
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bears attacking people?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:03:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1992Oct15.230348.10386
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <1992Oct15.162722.3740@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith) writes:
>Hmm.  Bears sound a bit too unreliable for me to feel too comfortable

I would think bear-caused injuries or death is lower than many other causes
in the backcountry.  Eugene might know the stats.

>How about mace?
There some kind of pepper spray developed by bear researchers in Japan
where is extremely difficult to get gun permits.
I read about it in "Bears of the World".
From: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Book for sale.
Keywords: for sale, book
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH

--
In article <1992Oct13.212643.29386@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko) writes:
>Book for sale.
>"Sew and Repair Your Outdoor Gear", by Louise Sumner, The Mountaineers, 1988.
> [...]

*************************
The book has been sold.
Thanks for your interest.
**************************

FYI, I first saw the book in a public library.  I ended up calling and
ordering the book from the publisher.  It cost me $15 + $2.90 shipping.

Their address is:

The Mountaineers
306 2nd Ave W.
Seattle WA  98119

I called directory assistance to get their number and placed a phone order.
I have no affiliation with the publisher.  I just recommend the book.
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From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: more bad reports on MSR filter
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:49:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Robert Mutel (rlm@sunlight.Physics.UIowa.Edu) wrote:

> I've used my MSR filter for two summers now, .....  The metal mesh needs
> to be cleaned every 6-10 liters pumped, but it only takes a few seconds ...

After two weeks on a remote river in Alaska, I also learned that the metal
mesh can quickly plug.   On the positive side, the metal mesh is filtering
crap that all filters would have to deal with, protects the more critical
down-stream filters (2) from early retirement, and is washable.  On the
negative side however, you can only hand wash the metal mesh a few times
before more drastic action is needed - denture tablets or clorox/hydrogen-
peroxide treatment.

Now that I understand this, I'm prepared (efferdent tablets), and I've
been happy with the setup.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
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