HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ircgroup@cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: NBC Olympics coverage
Keywords: TV
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:05:12 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi

In article <1992Aug15.014813.25450@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:

> I think it's more realistic for you to set up a 
>satellite dish trying to catch CCTV signals rather than hoping CTV or NBC
>to devote half their time to Chinese athletes.
>

CCTV uses PAL/625 lines broadcast system and American TV are NTSC/525 line
system.  So I guess unless you bring your TV set from China, Hong Kong, or
Europe, you won't be able to receive CCTV in USA.
From: yufeng@cis.ksu.edu (Yufeng Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Date: 15 Aug 1992 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

>In article <1992Aug14.234008.24901@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>>  
>>> Two things:
>>> 1. Borrow as much as possible from Japan and the don't return the money;
>>> 2. Find some excuses and nuk the whole japan.
>>> 
>>> Take you pick.
>>> 
>>> Tao
>>> ##
>>If there are only two ways, I will take the first one! After all, will you feel
>>better if you destroy 100 millian innocent people?
>>
>>Carl
>------------------------------------
>Are you guys serious ?
>i) 1 is not a desent way to seek justice. It can do only one thing:
>ruin the reputation of Chinese. Even the $500 Billion plus in USD 
>compensation(ASSUMING they paid) can not make China rich.
>ii) 2 is a solution when there is no hope to get the justice(this is the
>motivation behind it, not an excuse), I HATE this happen.
>
>    We are demanding justice for whose who lost their lives and properties,
>and the destructions to our country, etc, etc, ... lead by Japanese
>intruders begining in 1931.
>    From what I learnt, the Japanese government and some of their people
>do not have the intention to admit the monstrous crimes, to compensate for 
>the destruction, neither to educate their young in this matter. 
>This indicates one day, the same invasion may(will) happen again.
>A greater disaster is befalling to Japan.
>    They seem to have forgotten the Chinese generosity to them, they may 
>totally ignore it till we Chinese build up a strong, powerful China ourselves.
>
>I am a civilian from Northeast China.
>
>Allen

 Agreed.  We have lost so many lives in WWII. We need to avoid it happening 
 again. So, let Japanese face it, let them know how terrible the war was.
 Indeed, we need money to build our country. But justice and economic
 help are two different issues, although they might not be seperate in
 political view.   Why does Japanese Government not want to apologize for
 this terrible war?  Is it because the government thinks the war was right?  
 Or is it because the Japanese Culture is too narrow to accept this?  Or
 is it because the Japapnese Government is a bully to us?  

 yufeng
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Famine in China!
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:52:32 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1992Aug20.090202.1@max.u.washington.edu>, shiping@max.u.washington.edu writes:

(deleted)
|> In late 50's and earlier 60's, thousands and thousands (perhaps millions) 
|> of people  died of famine.  As far as I heard from local farmers, all the
|> people in many villages in Huaibei region, where I lived for several 
|> years, died of famine, no survivors.  What a terrible picture.  However,
|> people in cities, especially young people, know littel about it because of 
|> the media censorship.
|> 
|> I think that CCP should tell people the truth about this historical fact if
|> they are brave enough.

Tell people about how many were killed in TAM Square as well.

Lin Can
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From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:58:46 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


     ABC tv news showed Bush had gain a lot after having a speech 
on the ROP convention. Many future voters turn back from the
Democrat-Clinton side to Bush and some now decided to wait
till near time of voting instead of eagerly-supporting Clinton.
Poll indicated that Bush and Clinton are very close and a few
days ago, almost 30% difference. We are not sure if the # of Bush's 
supporters is going to increase but one thing is obvious--this
is not a good chance for Democrats to kick Bush off the White
House. Let's see the next chapter.

cqu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:37:28 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    RE:Who knows the CPU time difference?

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From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Who knows the CPU time difference?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:36:28 GMT

Is there any computer guru who knows in detail the difference
between Pascal and Fortran regarding the CPU time?
Is this true that the code in Fortran runs faster than the one
in Pascal? How times fast?

I need the infomation desperately.

Thanks for your knowledge.
Zhiming
********************************************************************

   It's hard to answer the questions. It  depends, such as
   system structures,software system, effeciency of application
   program ,  the type of jobs involved, and algorithms as well.

   However  Pascal is much faster than Fortran generally.

   How much faster? ---- depends.

   You can evaluate the two by yourself on your working system.

   Fortran and BASIC languages are the slowest I've ever used,
    certainly English as well.

   X Xu
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yes. CCTV is TOOOOOOO GOOD!
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:24:46 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <liang.713563446@ash.cs.scarolina.edu> liang@cs.scarolina.edu
 (Da Dong Liang) writes:
>
>I would rank those news agencies as BBC, NHK, XINHUA, CCTV, RM, RK, VOA, VFC,
>and NBC. ;(  
>

I'm sorry, but this pure lunacy. NBC (and CBS and ABC) ARE bad. They are
superficial, chauvanistic and slanted heavily towards pro-American issues and
biases. But to rank NBC below Xinhua and CCTV is unthinkable. Unless of course
all you're looking for is words of praise for everything about China and the
Chinese. If it weren't for the BBC at the top, it would have looked like
a list compiled by Ah-Q himself.
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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:33:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.131457.16975@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> 
> 
> >I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
> >soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
> >	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.
> 
> >My question:
> >	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
> >owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
> >than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
> >Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
> >had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
> >to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
> >I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
> >suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
> >need of an apology to Korea either.
> 
> Then let Japanese apology to Korea first.
> Have they done it?


Why should Japan apologize first? It makes no sense! Since China had also done
terrible things to Korea in the past, Why should we wait after Japan's apology?

It is really an interesting phenomenon. We want Japan's apology and in the  
meantime reluctant to apologize to Korea. No wonder why Japan doesn't want to  
apologize.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Subject: Re: airfare war to China
Reply-To: guohsu@mercury.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Organization: University of Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.040541.24661@unocal.com> stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>
>$446 x 2 from West Coast to Beijing by Northwest Airlines.
>Advertised in newspapers this weekend.  Normal fare is about $1500 R.T.

-------------------------------------
Thanx for the good message.  Could you please also post the phone numbers
of the agencies down there ?

Thanx again.

Cheers !

Allen 
guohsu@cs.uregina.ca
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao)
Subject: Re: Apology from Japan? Never!!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:02:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.070014.21379@cs.olemiss.edu> ircgroup@cs.olemiss.edu writes:
>One apologise only if he acknoledge he's done something wrong.  Japanese
>people just don't think it is wrong to invade, to rape other people.
>THAT is why they won't apologise, and it is MEANINGLESS to demand an apology
>from them, because they always believe the strong have a god-given right to
>invade, rape the weak ecomically, culturally, or militarily.  What we all can
>do is keep a close eye on Japan, and become stronger than Japan.

I can understand how you feel since I am angry at the invasion and killing Japanese made in WW II too.
But I think we should clarify one point:

GOVERNMENT <> PEOPLE

How many Japanese people have you known ?
How do you certify your claim ?
I dare not to say what you said is correct or wrong since I don't know many Japanese.
Just as Chinese coming from mainland China and Taiwan have different valuations, isn't it better if we can keep our mind open and listen ?

Things might be better if we can find ways to sell more things to Japan
instead of buying Japanese products(of course, volunteeringly).
It will be better if you floks can help improving the lives of Chinese.

What do you expect ?
The Japanese governement declaims apology for Chinese and give Chinese all their money and merchandise FREE ?

What are things that you should concern ?
How to accelerate the reformation in China ?
What's the problem of China ?
The education, the economy, the public services....
They are REAL !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:20:51 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <9208190018.AA05985@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
>
>In article <jxd-cC@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>|> In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
>|> 
>|> L Ho, I am telling a fact that you fucked your mother. Prove it in the public you did not.
>|> 
>|> J Chen
>
>Is this what one calls "Lao Xiu Cheng Nu" or "Ci Di Wu Yin San Bai Liang" ?
>
Well, it is you who do not behave like a gentleman. We have
no reason to treat you as a gentleman. This is the proper
way to treat you. As long as you keep the offensive name,
your mother deserves to be fucked. I suggest the netters write
"Fuck L Ho's mother." as the first sentance in any article
respond to him. 

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: yu@pawnee.ctr.columbia.edu (Yanbin Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How important is Japan's Money to China ?
Keywords: Economy, Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:51:44 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
X-Posted-From: pawnee.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <DLIU.92Aug16221257@ark.njit.edu> dliu@ark.njit.edu (Dong Liu) writes:
>Recently the hottest topic in scc is Japan's emperor's visiting to China.
>And some netters said why CG was so eager to invite the emperor is
>China needs Japan's money. I have very little economic knowledge, so I
>am wandering how important Japan's money to China's economy?
>
>I am from Shanghai, I know there are many investments from US, Germany etc.
>in Shanghai. But I hardly know any important investment in Shanghai is
>from Japan. For example, the biggest problem of Shanghai is her out-of-date
>public transportation system, and now an subway system is under construction.
>(When I saw it every week when I went to the Min-hang campus of Jiao Da, 
>I was shocked by the scale of this construction.) To my knowledge, the
>money for this subway system is mainly from China and Germany.
>
>So, can any economist out there give some deeper analysis of the importance
>of Japan's money to China.
>
>Thank you in advance.

In fact, Japan is not investing China in any large scale.
But Japanese has lended a lot of money to China.
That is the cleverness. The money you borrowed must be returned plus
interests, no matter what happened to you. But the return of the investment
depends on various factors. It can be gone with the wind.

The diplomatic savvy of Japanese is really admirable. They can get
away from both KMT and CP for paying nothing. The national interests
is always the top priority. However, there is some dangerous scenario
hanging there:
if you are too "clever" and can do nothing after you invaded a country,
even without some lips movement to say a "sorry".
The other people can do the same thing.
Maybe that is so-called the complexity in a post-cold war time.

YYB
From: szhou@romulus.rutgers.edu (Shiyu Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: world economy in 1986
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:55:44 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca

In article <1992Aug16.144729.14490@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> tdh@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> 
> Don't be fooled by these numbers. They are based on monetary values of US
> dollars. Think about industrial output, CHina is way better than its dollar        
> demoninated GNP. Japan's Yen in the 1950s is more than 600.00 = $1.00. But now 
> it is about 125.00= $1.00. Major industrial output in CHina is now ranked among 
> the top three to five positions except some high-tech products. GNP based on  
> international exchange is quite misleading. In analogy with Japan, China's
> current GNP may be more than 3 times larger than its dollar demoninated
> measure. Still it is a quite controversial issue in economics so don't take 
> these numbers for granted. If you take these numbers for granted, you are sure
> to be surprised as the Americans in this year's Olympics when China suddenly 
> "comes of nowhere" and play a major role in international economy as it is now
> in sports. My suggestion is to compare industrial and agricultural output,
> trade figures instead of a single GNP measure.        Andy Gu

The exchang rates, as I know, were determined by the foreign trade
figures.  This way is viewed as inproper.  As capitalist society,
people tend to count everything through monetary values.  So nobody
here counts the products, they just count money.

Another way to compare countries is to compare the living qualities.
I don't think in the major cities in China, people's living qualities
are much worse than North America.

ming
-- 
Ming  He				cs101442@sol.yorku.ca
My account must have HIV, so this is not my account.
CLAIMER: I am from Beijing, China
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China - more Info
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:20:16 GMT

xm1@cec1.wustl.edu (Xingdong Ma) wrote:

In article <CMM.0.90.2.714171297.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes:
>>
>>Anther famous event during this period of time was "steaming" of
>>"Li2 Shi2 Qi2".
>
>    Should his name be "Li4 Yi1 Ji1"? I don't remember very clearly
>but I'm quite sure it not " Shi2 Qi2 ".

Lix agreed with you that it might be "Li4 Yi1 Ji1". Frankly, I
pronounced them as "Li2 Yi4 Ji1". I wasn't 100% sure about its
pronunciation but was too lazy to find out. :-)  Therefore, I
wrote down the pronunciation of the characters. :-) Any way, to
other netter who may have got confused, here are the three characters:

"Li" is written with "Li4" (beautiful) on the left and "Yi4"
(i.e., Er3 Duo1 radical) on the right. "Shi2" is "food" and "Qi2"
is the "Qi2" of "Ri4 Qi2" (date).

> The fact is in << Zuo3 Zhuan4 >> ( Xi3 Gong1 24th year )

>(story deleted)
>:" You2(guilt) er2 xiao4(follow) zhi1, zui4(crime) you4 shen4(more than) yan1.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
I would translate this into "scolding", though.

>    Sorry for the mistakes in the translations, some words are just
>difficult to say in English.

Why apologizing? We should actually thank you for posting the
original article. I have to admit, though, it was such a pain to
read ancient Chinese articles in Pinyin. :-) (I did figure out
all of the characters, I think.) :-)

Now, would you also like to translate the part of the article
about "Shen1 Sheng1" (Shi4 Zi3, prince) and "Li2 Ji1" for us?
(Don't tell me that "Li2" here is also pronounced as "Li4". :-) )

>Wen2 Gong1 set fire
>to the mountain to force Jie4 Zhi1 Tui1 to come out. But finally, he found
>Jie4 Zhi1 Tui1 and his mother sat under a tree and died because of the fire.
>(deleted)

Sat under a tree? Are you sure? I thought they lied under the
tree on the ground with the mother on the back of the son.
Apparently Jie4 was trying to carry her mother on his back to
escape from the brush fire when they died. Please correct me, if
I am wrong. :-)

About this cannibalism, I have just remembered another story which
was about the best cook of the Chinese history, "Yi4 Ya2". Today,
Chinese cooks worship Yi as the gudian of their profession. One
day, Yi4's king (Duke Qi2?) said to Yi Ya, "I wonder what human
flesh tastes like." That night, Yi killed his son and made a
delicious dish to the Duke. The Duke was so moved that he wanted
to award Yi for his loyalty. Another minister finally spoke out,
"Honorable Duke, a son is what a parent loves. How can you expect
this person to love you if he does not even love his son?"


****Qi2 Huan2 Gong1 Yong4 Guan3 Zhong4 Er2 Ba4 Tian2 Xia4,
    Yong4 Shu4 Diao1 Er2 Chong2 Liu2.
(When Duke QiHuan used GuanZhong to run his country, his country
become the world super-power. When Duke QiHuan used ShuDiao to
run his country, he died miserably with worms growing on his
remains.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert)
Subject: Leader Jiang Ping Shames China With Racist Remark
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:31:00 GMT



TIBETAN STUDENTS STRIKE IN BEIJING
----------------------------------
 
(Reprinted from the May-August 1992 issue of News Tibet)
 
     Students in Beijing are on strike again.  Despite the danger of being
expelled and of being imprisoned, more than 200 Tibetan students of the
Central Institute of Nationalities boycotted their classes for two weeks in
January, according to a report in the 3 February issue of the German weekly
Der Spiegel.  The report said that the Tibetan students were reacting to an
announcement by a prominent Chinese leader Jiang Ping, 61, a member of the
National People's Congress.  Jiang had called Tibetan culture a piece of
"useless nonsense".
 
     Jiang Ping refused to apologize as demanded by the Tibetan students.
Instead the head of the institute despatched a massive contingent of
security forces to the campus.  Members of the Public Security Bureau have
been searching for the ringleader of the strike.  As of today, they've been
searching in vain.
 
--END--

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: world exports 1991
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:23:48 GMT

yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>According to the weekly German Tribune (17 July 1992), the export of
>China in 1991 is in the 13th position in the world export market, i.e.
>China shares a same position with South Korea. However, a Chinese
>friend of mine said to me that 80% export from Hong Kong is actually
>from China. If what he said is true, China export is actually in
>the 7th position in 1991 after Italy. The top 13 countries in export
>of 1991 are as follows.
>
>		US$ billions
>1. USA 		422
>2. Germany	403
>3. Japan	315
>4. France	217
>5. Britain	185
>6. Italy	169
>7. Holland	133	(China + 80% Hong Kong = 150.4)
>8. Canada	129
>9. Bel./Lux.	117
 
Well, well. Time the Netherlands (or at least the Benelux) replace Canada
in the G-7?

>10. Hong Kong	98
>11. CIS (Russia) 78
>12. Taiwan	76
>13. China	72
>13. South Korea 72
>----------------------------------------


-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.015934.25110@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.184253.9369@bnr.ca> xyang@bnr.ca writes:
>>
>never belong to a sad nationality. BTW, as Chinese, we 
>understand most of postings here, but non-Chinese readers
>could get correct or precise conclusion on Chinese/China from
>those?  
Does everybody notice those "sad topics" were mostly originated from
people with non-chinese names? Does everybody notice Westen media,
newspaper, TV, radio, etc are flooded with "bad" "news" about China?
Are we microscoped by Westeners? Why are they have a hypocratical views
any thing rlelated to China? What are their intensions?
>
>>Every progress or positive move in China today means overcome
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:21:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug19.222139.11256
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Aug19.180832.11734@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> 
> >Why should Japan apologize first? It makes no sense! Since China had also  
done
> >terrible things to Korea in the past, Why should we wait after Japan's  
apology?
> 
> >It is really an interesting phenomenon. We want Japan's apology and in the  
> >meantime reluctant to apologize to Korea. No wonder why Japan doesn't want  
to  
> >apologize.
> 
> Sounds like you are a chinese. Then you apology first.
> 
> >Carl


You are logically wrong. It's the governments who need to apologize. Since  
Chinese government has not apologized to the Korean people, why should we be so  
eager for the apology from Japanese government.

Actually, my point here is that apology really is meaningless if people regard  
it as a way to save the faces of victims. What is important is to remember the  
brutal deeds of invaders, build our economy and army and NOT to invade other  
countries after we become stronger.

I found there is great hatred among us Chinese. Ask ourselves: will we do the  
same thing that Japanese army did 50 years ago if we have a chance?

Carl