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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:44:12 GMT

In article <e8Sv03Ar80IW00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <vamplew.716085907@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au
>(Peter Vamplew) writes:
>>In <1992Sep9.133006.18278@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ
>>Anderson) writes:
>>>Part of my earlier criticism of Walker was his lack of consistency.  Take
>>>his 26 carries for 114 yards (4.38 ave).  Subtrack his 33 yard run and it's
>>>25 for 81 (3.24 ave).  Terry Allen was 12 for 140 (11.6 ave).  Take out
>>>his two longest runs (of 45 and 51 yards) and he was still 10 for 44 
>>>(4.4 ave). (Not to mention Allen's better receiving stats.)
>>
>>I'm not sure I understand you definition of consistency. Surely Allen was
>>less consistent because when you subtract his long runs his average per carry
>>fell by much more (assuming consistency refers to how much variation there
>>is in the length of runs). Herschel was more consistent - it's just that he
>>was consistently getting shorter runs!
>
>This guy is all wet anyway. Any idiot who even *hints* that the GB defense can
>be remotely compared to that of NO is full of it.

If I recall correctly, GB had a pretty good defense last year. They were very
good against the run. Does anyone know GB's defensive ranking last season? 

>How many times will you see Herschel break 
>free for a 50 yard run and then get caught from behind like Allen did by the 
>way? Open a hole like that for Herschel and it's C'ya!!!! 

Well, if I'm not mistaken, he got caught on his "big" run last Sunday.

There are very few offensive lines that can block in such a manner that would
allow Herschel to be a big yardage runner. Those holes have to be held open a
long time when the runner starts 7 yards deep in the backfield. I don't think
Philadelphia is one of them.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Dallas Noise level !!!
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:58:13 GMT

In article <14702@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>I have to say hats off to the Texas Stadium crowd for making so much
>noise. If this trend continues most teams won't look forward to comming
>to TS. Did someone pass out a flyer or something to the fans ????
>I've been a Dallas fan for 25 years and I don't ever remember a crowd
>so fired up from the opening gun.
>
>We got the hard one over with, see ya in RFK deadskins......
>NEXT !
>

I was a part of that noise and it was incredible.  I have been going to
games for about ten years now and it has never been so loud.  My friend
and I have often been loud at games but this time the whole stadium was
into it.  There was no organization to the noise.  It started while the
players were warming up.  Hank Williams Jr lip synced right before
kick-off and the place was rocking.  About 60,000 people were hoarse
the next day.  I figure it will be loud the next home game, too.  After
that it is up to the Cowboys to win.

The best part was singing "Good-bye" to the "men" who wear dresses and
pig-snouts for Washington games.  They flew down from Washington and
were about ten rows behind us.

Robert
From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:38:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.145302.8882@selway.umt.edu>, sh666@selway.umt.edu
(Wolverine) writes:
|> How many of you out there think that Madden is the WORST football
|> announcer
|> on the face of the planet...  Here are a few of his classic quotes..
|> 
|> 'They don't want to get an interception at this stage of the game'
|> Excuse me?  I wasn't aware that ANY team EVER wanted an interception
|> at any point during a game...
|> 
|> 'They have to put some points on the board....'
|> Again!  Madden astounds us with his excellent grasp of the obvious.
|> 
|> I could go on for years.. I was wondering how many people agree with
|> me.
|> I won't even metion last weeks game when he was pointing out people who
|> knew how to have a tailgate party and those who didn't.  Oh well..
|> 
|> 							W O L V E R I N E


Madden for president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Madden is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you people in Montana like him?????????????


GO COWBOYS  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: hrad@ellis.uchicago.edu (Vince)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Reply-To: hrad@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:36:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.161528.15415@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.110218.1@cua.edu> 50zhouh@cua.edu writes:
>>I hate those ABC MNF announcers!
>
>You just have to watch it correctly. Cold drink (lately that has been
>rum and snagglesaurus grape kool-aid), comfy chair, and most
>importantly, yelling SHUT UP FRANK at just that moment when he speaks.
>You come over to my house sometime and my friends and me (I) will teach
>you the subtletys of SHUT UP FRANKING. Most amusing and a great way to
>pass a Monday night.
>
>Tony (go cleveland) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu

What a great attitude!  All the critics have to realize that
ABC puts MNF on the air to make money.  They already have
the audience of football fans, so they try to make a variety
show out of it to draw in the would-be Murphy Brown (ugh!)
fans.  They've got the straight-man Al (I'm still waiting
for him to mention a stat about how some left-handed
quarterback does against left-handed DB's), the babbling
comedian in Frank (yes, 125 yards per carry _is_
unrealistic) and the purveyer of preposterous pondering,
Dan.  It's like a live sitcom (move over Roc) and that's the
only way to accept it.

vince

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From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Subject: Class of the NFC?
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:09:22 GMT

      I was wondering if anyone remebers the charts that were posted a
while back about the sports magazine's predictions for this season.
Roughly what % had the 49ers as the nfc representative?  Thanks in
advance.
tom
 
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From: statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States)
Subject: Re: Colts starter vs Houston
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:32:15 GMT


In article <minor.716153478@coal8> minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor) writes:
> statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> |>     There is still guarded optimism that Jeff George will be ready to go  
this  
> |>Sunday, but the likely starter will be pre-season holdout Jack Trudeau.   
Jack  
> |>has been going through some intensive workouts since his signing so that he  
> |>would be ready to go against Houston.  There were even jokes right before  
the  
> |>final pre-season game that the Colts got a bigger plane for the flight to  
KC so  
> |>Jack could throw during the flight!  According to the Indy Star, the  
decision  
> |>to cut Herrmann was made before the Cleveland game no matter what the  
results  
> |>of the game were.  The reasoning behind the decision was primarily the age  
> |>factor.  Herrmann is 33, Tupa is 26, Trudeau is 30, George is around 25 or  
26.   
> |>Marchibroda sees Tupa as the "second string quarterback of the future,"  
> |>George's back-up after Trudeau is gone.  I think Herrmann had reached his  
> |>potential anyway, I think Tupa still has room to get better.  I think the  
Colts  
> |>made a good decision in cutting Herrmann and keeping Tupa.  
> 
> Agreed, but has Jack Trudeau looked that good ? I never remember him
> looking that great...
> -- 
> 	/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
> 	|	Kevin Minor	UUCP: ...uunet!mcdchg!motcid!minor	|
> 	|			Mail: minor@rtsg.mot.com		|
> 	\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/

Not counting Jack's first season as a rookie thrown into the starting QB job,  
he has a winning record as a starter and has looked pretty decent.  The problem  
is held out during training camp and has only been working with the new offense  
for 2 weeks.  He'll probably do OK, but I still want George back!  

Scott E. States
statesse@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

P.S.  -  Houston favored by 9?  Take the points and the Colts and don't be  
surprised if they pull out a win.  I think Moon will be seeing quite a bit of  
the Hoosier Dome roof on Sunday...
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:04:42 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes:


>I can't believe that anyone likes Madden.  He is SO bad.
>He gets all the facts wrong (watch his replays, at least
>50% of the time the players don't go where he drew the
>line).  He can't speak english....



To all Madden haters: try a few games with Namath or Theisman/Haden 
(they're indistinguishable) and you'll be convinced that Madden is god. 

As a matter of fact, try just _one_ game with Namath and I guarantee
you'll run out of the room screaming by the end of the 3rd qtr.

Personally I would like to see Hank Schram on TV. The man is brilliant.

el
From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills fans rejoice!
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:22:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa


      I'm just starting to come off the high that The Game gave me. We
should be so luckky as to see these two teams in the Super Bowl this year.
That might have been the best game I heave ever seen.  A few notes: Anyone
who rambles on about defense winning games should watch this game again
and tell me what team in the NFL could have beat EITHER the 49ers or the
Bills today.  I now have a great deal of respect for the 49ers, and I
hope we do play them again in the Super Bowl.  I think that the Bills
have vindicated themselves somewhat after the media hounding them, trying
to make problems where there werent any. I would have liked to see a little
sharper defensive team, but what the hell, it was a great game.  If Young
keeps playing like that, I dont see a need for Montana, if and when he
ever gets better.
      Now that this test is over, I can see the Bills rolling for a
long time.  San Fran was to be the hardest game of the year.  Any comments?
Any disgruntled Jets fans out there? Hows it feel to be 2 games back
on week 2 of the season?  Any updated Super Bowl predictions? I'll go
with Bills/49ers.  I think that maybe its time for the Bills to bring
one home....
 
Tom Steegmann
Why do we win?  Because we are better than you.
From: ah595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Hess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Kosar out 6-8 weeks!!!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:55:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Hess)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This just in... Radio station WKNR in Cleveland just reported
that Bernie Kosar will be out 6-8 weeks with a fractured ankle.

What next? :-(

Eric
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From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Super Bowl (Was: Re: The Niners are the favorites.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:30:00 GMT

In article <BuEHpv.EKH@agora.rain.com>, psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva) writes...
> 
>wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:
> 
>>GO COWBOYS!!!
>>Super Bowl '93!
> 
>  From listening to media reports, game announcers and Dallas fans posting 
>  to this newsgroup, it's ALMOST as if they think someone "owes" the Cowboys 
>  a Super Bowl title.  They hadn't done anything consistantly for about a 
..deleted blathering...  
>  Geez, give me a break!  At least the Niners have been beating teams
>  of playoff caliber consistantly for the past decade. 

Nobody thinks the Cowboys are "owed" a Super Bowl title.  The Cowboys plan
on earning it like everybody else.

I don't see where your hostility for us comes from.  Our team is now
doing well, and we feel like doing a little woofing, as does everyone
else whose team is doing well.  

And if we can't woof about our team of the 70's then you can't woof about
your team of the 80's.  Fair is fair.  Besides we are talking about the
here and now.  The Cowboys are for real.  I'm not saying we will be back
in the Superbowl this year, but we will be winning consistently against
those same playoff caliber teams you are harping about.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (tanj)
Subject: Looking for GIF, BMP, ... of NFL coaches and players
Originator: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Scuba_One
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:25:36 GMT

I'm looking for GIFs, BMPs, or any other type of graphic format
of NFL coaches and players present and past.  Any help would be
appreciated.

jeff
tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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Subject: Re: Dallas 23 Washington 10
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 13:14:40 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Sep8.052459.2111@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
(Kathy Stapleton) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep8.040752.4946@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C
>Merrill) writes:
>>
>>       Great first MNF game. Dallas has won 23-10. Washington looked
>>       pretty bad, not up to their Super bowl form, but I know the
>>       fans of both teams will have things to say about this game...
>
>     Does anyone out there have any ideas as to WHY the Redskins were
>not up to their Super Bowl form????  I hear that Gibbs was saying that
>the offense has been very unorganized as of late...and even though I
>am a loyal Skin fan through and through, I cannot say even ONE nice
>thing about this darn game.  Not ONE!

As I stated to you in another newsgroup :), its complacency Kathy.
Nothing more, nothing less. They'll rebound to make the playoffs
(probably), but they are not going to the Super Bowl. Dallas has that
honor.

>     A very distraught,
>     Kathy

Cheer up Kathy, things could be worse, the Skins and Giants owners
may decide to make a trade and swap *COACHES*! :) I'd go for that.
:)
                                             Nelson "Handley will be
                                                     the death of me
                                                     yet" Broat

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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Steeler Schedule, update (repost)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 14 SEP 92 22:02:26 GMT

Sep 6	at Houston			1pm  WIN
Sep 13	NY Jets				4pm  WIN
Sep 20	at San Diego			4pm
Sep 27	at Green Bay			4pm
Oct 4	BYE
Oct 11	at Cleveland			1pm
Oct 19	Cincinnati			9pm
Oct 25	at Kansas City		     7:30pm
Nov 1	Houston				1pm
Nov 8	at Buffalo			4pm
Nov 15	Detroit				1pm
Nov 22	Indianapolis			1pm
Nov 29	at Cincinnati			1pm
Dec 6	Seattle				1pm
Dec 13	at Chicago			1pm
Dec 20	Minnesota			1pm
Dec 27	Cleveland			1pm

Only two games have gone by, but it's fun to speculate with this quick start.
Again, this is not a rough schedule, but I make a *conservative* estimate that
Pitt. will win at least ten games. I'm assuming they'll split games with each
of their division rivals (which IMO is being generous to Cincy and Cleveland),
and that they'll beat SD, GB, Detroit, Indy, Seattle, and Minnesota.

I realize that some of those wins are iffy, but I also think the Steelers
will have a definite shot at both KC and Chicago. Maybe Houston again?

This is assuming we stay healthy & hopefully sign Lipps (and Everett?).
Keep up the good work, Bill Cowher! Go Steelers!!

Bart

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Herman Moore and Reggie Barrett
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:42:02 GMT

Do the Lions fans in the Detroit area have any information they can share on
Herman Moore's status?  Is the injury (quadracep) serious?  How long is he
expected to be out?  You've got to sit 4 weeks, which is 4 games unless a
Monday night jumps in.  So was he put on IR before or after yesterday's game?

Any word on wether this will get Barrett some (i.e. *any* playing time)?

Bill
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From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills 34 Niners 31 - Final!
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

YES!!!!

I'm just about going into cardiac arrest here! What a game!

Wow!

I have nothing intelligent to report here, because I'm coming out
of my skin. The only thing that can be said for Buffalo is that 
the defense made a few big plays when the really needed them.

So much for stats! What an incredible performance by two of the
best teams in the NFL!

Niner's fans, I think you guys are going to the SB again this
year. I hope it's a Bills-Niners rematch.

Yow! I think I need to go drink a case of beer to calm me down.

:)

Doug


                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:14:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep14.160656.12357@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:

>The 49ers played decent defense in the first half. But they never

No punts?  The D wasn't decent, it was docile.

>Everybody seems to forget that Jones left the game in the second
>quarter with a strained hamstring.  I'm truly amazed at the 49ers
>offensive showing minus their biggest offensive weapon, Rice, and
>one of the better tight ends in the game, Jones, proved to still
>produce as much as it did.

I was wondering what happened to Jones.  It is amazing that a team
can be lacking its #1 QB, its #1 WR for most of the game, its #1 TE,
have a rookie RB in his second game, and still put up numbers like
that.  Speaks well for the system.

>>3. Montana makes that last drive work.

>I think that Young made the drive work too!  The 49ers would have
>had a 1st down on the Bills 25 yard line had it not been for
>Wallace's holding call that set them back.  That was the play that

Actually what really blew it, IMHO, was the QB sneak on third and 4.
WTFO?  I guess that if Young makes it, Seifert's a genius, but why
walk away from a passing attack that is completely unstoppable?

>I don't know about the rest of you, but Young just impressed the
>hell out of me.  You don't get much better of a performance then
>what Kelly and Young displayed for us on Sunday.

Hopefully, this will shut up some of the Young detractors who really
have no idea of what they speak.

>There is a bright side to this Mike.  The Niners secondary is very
>young, and very inexperienced.  Give them another 10 games or so,
>and I'm sure they will be much improved, and more capable of
>defending against teams like Buffalo.  Just be happy that there are
>few teams in the NFL with offensives as potent as the Bills and
>Niners.

The problem is that defenses can't come together as quickly as
offenses.  Granted, maybe the secondary will gel as games go on,
but at what price?  Only two teams stay at home for the playoffs,
and I imagine that it will take something like 12-4 to be one of
them.  The Niners' secondary had better improve in a big hurry to
make 12-4.  And as I've said so many times that I'm sure you're all
tired of hearing it, offense may get you into the playoffs, but 
defense gets you through them.

My prediction?  *Neither* the Niners or the Bills will be at the Big
Dance this season, unless their respective defenses class up in a big
way.  Laugh at this if you will, but remember:  I was the one who 
predicted over 50 points in this game when everyone else was talking
about what great defenses the two teams had.

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