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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:34:01 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <dowling.11@main.mndly.umn.edu> dowling@main.mndly.umn.edu writes:
>In article <93008.104141WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu> Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan6.143637.29934@newssun.med.miami.edu>,
>>dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) says:
>>>
>>>I only recently became a fan of TNG and even more recently a reader of this
>>>net, so I hope that this question doesn't open a previously closed
>>>Pandora's Box.  What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  I realize
>
>>Without a doubt, "Lal".  Or could it be "Yesterday's Enterprise?"  Hmmm...
>
>I agree, "The Offspring" (Lal) and "Yesterday's Enterprise" were among the 
>best. I would add to that list the "Best of Both Worlds" episodes, and a few 
>others whose titles I can't remember: Time loop with Kelsey Grammer, Data 
>ordered to keep a secret (a la I, Robot).
>
Time Loop:  I'm not certain: "We'll Always Have Paris" maybe?
Data: "Clues"


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From: rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu
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Subject: Re: E docking with DS9 (was RE: O'Brien's transportation)
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:30:40 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan8.221209.24749@news.acns.nwu.edu>, meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.144127.1@pearl.tufts.edu> rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu  
> writes:

[stuff deleted]

>> Well, they never STATED that the Enterprise docked (or didn't dock), but they
>> did SHOW the Enterprise docked with the station.  Either that or they've got
>> some idiot at the helm who thought it'd be cute to get so close to the station
>> that they could reach out and touch it.
>> 
>> 					--Rod Smith
>> 					  RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
> Well, If you listen closely at the end sequence of the pilot, O'brien  
> mentions somthing about the airlocks not working proporly. It was probably a  
> mechanical error. More likely, the writerworking properly.

If you listen again, you'll hear that O'Brien says that at least three of them
(I believe all six) were damaged in the Cardassian attack, so this has no
relevance to whether or not the Enterprise was docked when O'Brien beamed
off the Enterprise (though it is relevant to the scene towards the end where
the Enterprise is moving in towards the station as if to dock).
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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: DS9 Station
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:08:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.000818.16419@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
>Who built the space station in DS9? If the Federation built it, why were
>the Cardassians running it? If the Cardassians Built it, why would they
>abbandon it?  If the Bjorn(sp) built it, perhaps they didn't need Cardassian
>help in the first place.  I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just confused.
>

I remember reading somewhere that the Ferengi built it, but I'm not sure.

Live Long and Prosper.

Sanjai Rao.



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From: worley@a.cs.okstate.edu (WORLEY LAWRENCE JA)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very very BAD :(
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:35:44 GMT

Pardon my ignorance, but is TNG going off the air (new episodes) this spring,
being replaced by DS9, or is DS9 just another simultaneous series, with TNG
going on as usual?  I really like the crew on TNG, I hope they don't trash
it in favor of DS9, I didn't like the premier episode as well as most of
the TNG episodes.

Thanks-
Jason

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From: gilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kevin Gilmore)
Subject: Timetrax (possible spoilers)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:55:43 GMT

Ok for once i was in the right place at the right time, which
was saturday morning at 10:30 cst on satt channel t1/13. Got to
see the entire 2 hour pilot of timetrax (less the commercials
making it 1:34) and the first show (also less commercials) with
a continuous banner on the bottom saying "screening purposes only"

You people thought that Space rangers was bad, well this is not
that bad, but its not that good either. Virtually no special effects
as none are needed (the crystalyzation is neat however). Lets see
its another cop show. Plots are Time Tunnel in reverse. The computer
in a credit card will get old quick. All plots will take the following
form:
bad guy from the future doing something evil. Chase him around for
the first 54 minutes (with commercials). Push the button and send
him back up the line back to prison..

Lets hope that the "tommorrow people" and Babylon 5 are better than
this.

None of the writers from Space rangers or TimeTrax have any idea
of what good sci fi is...
	....kg....

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From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Subject: Re: Stolen From Outer Limits?
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:29:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.045305.27553@netcom.com> rrunnern@netcom.com (Road Runner) writes:
>Wolf-359, where the Borg battle was fought, just happens to be the
>title of an OUTER LIMITS episode (playing tonight on PBS chan 54 in
>the SF. Bay Area.)
>

It also, on a strange coincidence, happens to be the fourth closest star to
earth (including the sun)


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From: umoster0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean K. Ostermann)
Subject: Re: Data (Brent Spiner) was the doctor in Alien^3?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:49:27 GMT

In <1993Jan6.060256.1@cc.utah.edu> eyring@cc.utah.edu writes:


>Data (Brent Spiner) was the doctor in Alien^3?
I don't think so.  You are talking about the guy that slept with Ripley
right?  If you are then that isn't Brent Spiner.  The guy who played
the doctor doesn't have the pointy nose that Brent Spiner has and is
a little more beefy that Spiner.  AS well, he was British (I know
moot point because they are ACTORS).  I'll have to watch it again but
I think you are wrong.

Sean



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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Craft Warp??
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 02:37:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan8.053846.1659@eafs000.ca.boeing.com> ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto) writes:
>starride@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (David Chase) writes:
>>mhampsch@boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch) writes:
>>>In Relics Scotty gets a shuttle craft to wander in.  Does it have warp abilities or is it going to take him forever and a year to get anywhere?
>>	Limited warp of 2 from what I have been told. It is an interstellar 
>>version of shuttle craft.
>I would like to see a cameo of Captain Scott in another episode with his
>suped (sp) up shuttle.  Face it, Montgomery not tinker with his shuttle...
>NOT......  I would expect warp 6 at least.....

I don't doubt it myself. To those that argue about the range of
the craft, remember that it was a cargo shuttle - most of it was
empty space. Unless Scotty filled up the 6.6 metric tonnes of
cargo space with Romulan Ale (heck, even if he did, that stuff
has a lot of kick) the shuttle could be loaded with
matter/antimatter tanks, a food replicator, and a head. Scotty
could probably uprate the engines by at least a couple of warp
factors. :)

Now... what do you suppose he named it?

Joshua
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From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan)
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Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Date: 10 Jan 1993 07:31:13 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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R Andrew Hayden (rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
:>jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
:>
:>>  Speaking of this I am reminded of something that I have not mentioned
:>>here, (it might have been discussed before) Wasn;t it the Excelssior
:>>that was cataloging gassious anomalys? I believe in Sulu's Captain' log
:>>entry at the beginning of the movie he mntions this.... Well then how did
:>>all of the equipment suddenly get onto the Enterprise?? Just windering.
:>
:>Yup.  The answer to this proplem is called . . . . OOPS!
:>
:>Seems that the writers missed something (or SOMEONE missed something).
:>
Was it said in Sulu's entry that it was >exclusively> abourd the
Excelsior? I don't remember that being said. Another possible explanation
is that, since Sulu's mission was finished some time before the real
action (i.e. Kirk & Spock are at the meeting with the head honchos)
occurs, his mission could've resulted in gas-equipment being issued to
more ships, including the Enterprise.

As to part of the original posting about Cloaking Devices, remember, the
Romulan and Klingon Cloaking Devices are radically different, since there
has been a state of war between them, and thus no sharing of technology.
The first Romulan appearance on TNG had a statement along the lines of
"they've obviously advanced technologically, just as we have" since the
Enterprise couldn't find a trace of them while cloaked.

Which brings me to a point; was it ever revealed who destroyed the Neutral
Zone outputs of the Romulans and the Federation??


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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Re: the linear time thing - (spoiler?)
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:09:41 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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**MINOR SPOILER ALERT **



In article <1993Jan7.181650.27424@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>if the creatures experienced all time simultaneously, then they already had
>squirted the commander out as far as they could tell. why did they give him
>such hell about his kind and intentions when they already experienced the
>whole thing. many other paradoxes boggle.

They might not experience all time simultaneously, only non-linearly.
Random jumps are also a possibility, and seems to fit with the presentation
mode in the show.  This also gets around the omniscience arguments.  Note
that they seemed to be "snapped" to the same set of memories repeatedly,
not simply flowing randomly through all the moments of Sisko's life.

Ever see or read Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five"?

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Subject: DSN's music "stinks"?!
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:18:50 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1icimpINN6vi@agate.berkeley.edu>, jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
> Yikes! SPOILERama for Deep Space Nine's first episode!
> 
> 
> 
> SPOILERS, kids!
> 
> 

[stuff deleted]
> 
> 
> Music, of course, continues to stink. Hey, folks, if "DS9" can't have
> dramatic music, what can? This is a western in space! Go wild! 
> Sigh.
> 

I would disagree, on several counts:
"Continues to stink?"  While TNG scoring hasn't been anything to cheer about, I
wouldn't call it flat-out BAD.  On occasion, in fact, I would call it 
excellent.

Furthermore, concerning DSN's music in particular: Consider your usual
"ghost-town" musical passages from typical western films...  I would say that a
somber, understated score fits DSN's environment rather well.  And remember,
music doesn't have to be exhillarating, fanfare-ic, and bold to be "dramatic"!

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From: hhuang@athena.mit.edu (Han-Young Huang)
Subject: Re: Trek review mailing list?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:07:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.011058.27068@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>First of all, this is NOT what I suggested.  I suggested a mailing list.
>For reviews.  Only.

Sorry.  But sign me on for a mailing list, reviews *only*.
From: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Chief O'Brien's Rank!
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:42:43 CST
Organization: America, Planet Earth

I have a question that I hope someone can answer and agree with me.

WHAT IS O'BRIEN'S RANK?
-----------------------

	I say it's Lt.  Anyone care to disagree?

Paul.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:38:29 EST
From: Peter Chewning <PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:VII ... It's Official!

STAR TREK VII: THE SEARCH FOR ELVIS (or some other bald overweight guy)
Jim Kirk get trapped in a time warp and gets tranported back to Las Vegas
in the Seventies, and goes on to be the greatest Elvis impersonator of all time

Come on people. Let the original cast retire gracefully. PUH-LESE.
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Title "The Ensigns of Command."
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:21:36 GMT
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I suspect this title is a quotation from somewhere which I
can't identify, but here's my guess of its meaning; the word
"ensign" here is used in an old sense of meaning an identifica-
tion flag or badge, rather than a low-ranking Starfleet officer.
The episode involves Data trying to persuade or order the planet
colonists to leave the planet rather than be annihilated by the
alien Sheliak.  Data is giving orders to humans rather than
taking them; therefore, he is flying "the flags of command,
or wearing the "badge of command".  

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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:13:19 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <8JAN199312070921@csa2.lbl.gov> sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
>It bothers me that moving the worm requires surgery.  You would think that
>if the sybiosis evolved over eons, prior to the technologization of the
>hosts' society, that the worm would just eat it's way in and out of the

	Well, normal childbirth has been happening over the centuries 
without technological assistance, but most folks still go to the hospital
to have their kids.  It's a precaution in case something goes wrong.
(I dunno, someone drops their slug on the floor.)
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:54:39 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

"DS9" conveys more information than "DSN."  The "N" in "DSN"
could stand for any word starting with "N."  Besides, it looks
nicer with a number thrown in there (how's that for logic?).

-- Tim
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:27:07 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <C0JMxI.6zo@ucunix.san.uc.edu> jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones) writes:
>In article <C0HpuF.8up@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan6.143637.29934@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>>>>Pandora's Box.  What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  I realize
>>>
>>The Inner Light
>>Yesterday's Enterprise
>>Measure of a Man
>>Remember Me
>>Darmok
>>
>>These are top-5 and pretty interchangable. All 10s for me.
>>
>I love you!  You're the first one I've seen besides myself who
>places "Remember Me" in their top 10!  My favorite list
>is below, with all being interchangable but for the top one:
>
>Yesterday's Enterprise
>Measure of a Man
>Remember Me
>Best of Both Worlds
>Darmok
>The Quality of Life
>The Inner Light
>Chain of Command, Pt. 2
>Deja Q
>
>All perfect 10's for me.
>
The rest of my top ten are a bit different from most people's, I think:
6.  The Ensigns of Command
    Real good character development for Data
7.  Sins of the Father
8.  I, Borg
9.  Quality of Life
    (Yes, a sixth season episode on my top 10.  I like the concept of when
    does a machine stop being a machine and start being alive.. note that
    Measure of a Man is in my top 5)
10. Peak Performance
    A good Riker in command and Weasly not too annoying episode.  I'm not
    certain why this one makes it in the top 10, I just really liked it.


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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  11-Jan-1993 0828)
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Subject: Re: Ceslla 3 Massacre in DS9 ?
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:28:06 GMT
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I hope this post will set the record straight.

The massacre referred to by O'Brien in DS9: "Emissary" was on Setlik 3.  For
more details, check out TNG: "The Wounded" (where the Cardassians were first
introduced).

The outpost wiped out by the Gorns in TOS: "Arena" was Cestus 3.

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
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Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Past Prologue"
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:48:34 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> I take it all back!
> 
> Grade: A
> 
> DS9 SEASON ONE AT A GLANCE:
> Emissary: C-
> Past Prologue: A
> Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
> University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
> 
> "...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
> 				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"

Well, I'll take some of what I said about you back.  
Seems you're not in it for kicks after all.

Now all we have to do it get you to like TNG.  :)

Steven.K.Manfred
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
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Subject: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:57:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


Tiny SPOILER for the Deep Space Nine series ahead as a whole, not this
particular episode.




Has anyone else noticed that there is one big plot complication already
woven into Deep Space Nine that could cause big problems in future?

Jadzia Dax is a Trill, right?
Trill's cannot be transported, without killing the worm.

So, forget that plot device whenever Dax gets in trouble.  :)

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: pitsch@cps.msu.edu (Kimberly D Pitsch)
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Subject: Re: Gorgeous Women and Lots of Sex!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:49:38 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
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Further disclaimer: This is not Kim Pitsch. Please reply to:

yamanish@student.msu.edu  OR  martind@student.msu.edu

Boothby: Wasn't Boothby from NextGen (Picard's wise groundskeeper from the
Academy) supposed to appear in DSN?  Any rumors?

Races: Does anyone remember the OS episode in which the crew encountered the
last two members of an alien species?  They were each half black and half white,
literally harlequin style.  But because one was black on the right and the other
white on the right, they considered themselves different races and mortal en
enemies.  Their sole goal in life was to kill the other, as their people had
previously massacred each other.  The Enterprise crew was shocked by the ap
apparent futility and arbitrariness of the feud.  Kirk could not see their
difference until it was pointed out to him.  To the humans, the two men appeared
to be of the same race.
It is not unlikely that the differences between races of an alien species would
be indistinguishable or unnoticeable to us.  Western humans have arbitrarily
decided that race should be determined by skin tone, but it could just as
easily have been ear shape or the ability to curl one's tongue.  Neither 
of the possibilities affects reproduction -- we're all the same species.
Any anthropologist worth his or her beans will tell you that there is no real
difference between races.  Further, I'm sure we've all observed that there is
far more variety *within* each race than between them.  So why would all alien
races be determined by skin color (assuming alien species would bother to think
of race)?  Also, I seem to recall either a TOS or TAS episode in which Vulcan
races were discussed.  There was the race that Spock was, and then there was a
fairer race, to the north or south or something, that had sort of sandy blonde
hair instead of black.

Deep Space Nine Time: Wasn't the whole point of Sisko's encounter with the a
aliens that humans *don't* experience time linearly, and that by not comp-
prehending the phenomenon, the aliens were expressing their wisdom?  It wasn't
they who finally understood our sense of time, it was Sisko (and supposedly
the viewing audience) who ultimately came to understand theirs.

(Preachy, I know, but I've been watching a lot of TNG.)
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