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From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:14:24 GMT
 <1992Jul22.151342.7377@news.iastate.edu> <1992Jul22.220733.6812@pimacc.pima.edu> <1992Jul23.174457.12696@news.iastate.edu>

In article <1992Jul23.174457.12696@news.iastate.edu>, trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.220733.6812@pimacc.pima.edu> ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.151342.7377@news.iastate.edu>, trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes: 
>>> 	Oh, God...Are the Christians whining about being persecuted again?
>>> 1 word for you, buddy...1 word...'Inquisition'. Think about it. Thousands
>>> upon thousands of people killed. How about a 3 words acronym, too? Ok then...
>>> 'BSA'. Boy Scouts of America. When I was young, I was refused from BSA
>>> because I was an Athiest. Want another word? 'Jews'. In Mideval England,
>>> Jews were treated like second class scum. 
>>> 
>>> 	Dont whine about being persecuted, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT.
>>> 
>>
>>You should talk about whining! I never claimed that I was persecuted. I
>>simply noted that the persecution had taken place. Of course this dis-
>>tinction probably slipped by you. FYI, it's very possible for christians
>>to still be persecuted. Iran & China are examples where people (& not just
>>christians, BTW) are currently persecuted soley for their religious beliefs.
>>Guess that slipped by you too.
> 
> I never whined. Persecution took place, but Christians did most of the 
> persecuting. Yes, persecution of religions still takes place, and I'm against
> it, but I'm no radical (PLO), because I HAVE no religion. Maybe if I wasn't
> an athiest I'd care more, but I am, so I dont.
> 

So you've done a comprehensive survey of all of recorded history & have come
up with this conclusion? It seems to me that you must've missed a little.
At various times the Chinese Empire eliminated various minority religions
, one of which was the Nestorian Christians, & left hardly a trace. The
Japanese Shogun did the same in early 17th century Japan. What makes you 
think these events weren't worse than the Inquisition? How do you know
that christians did "most" of the persecuting? Or do you just expect us to
take your word for it? Your statement simply illustrates your bias against
christians & shows that you are engaging in exactly the sort of behavior 
you accuse them of.

PHIL
  
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: The Net is Burning
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:37:14 GMT

bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan) wrote:
>And don't anyone try to flame me back. I will not dignify such
>flames with an answer.

Oh yeah? I just reversed the polarity! You're IT!

Tom

P.S. It wasn't enough to post one non-Who article, but another? USENET is not
a bulletin board! I stomped on your .sig, and now it's gone. Dave says it's
ok to restart old threads, so look for new (=old) dw discussions soon. Is
the Freenet really free? I've got sarcasm pills if anyone needs one...

Tune in next week to see...the Doctor's companions infected by intelligence-
raping pods in "The Seeds of Dumb"!
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:12:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.180828.24538@morrow.stanford.edu>  
>NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon) writes:
>> The issues put out by the new management (a woman named Andrea
>> Phillips) *look* OK; the problem is that in over two years she has
>> published (according to my records, and I'm supposedly exchanging
>> newsletters with them) only *two* issues, labeled "(Indian) Summer
>> 1990" and "Summer 1991."  According to the latter issue, however,
>> the WHOVIAN TIMES is still a *quarterly* publication!  Some might
>> say, "Well, the program hasn't been in production for quite a
>> while"; however, *we* know that there has been plenty of other news
>> to report, concerning audio and video releases, conventions, etc.
>> I don't know what Andrea's excuse is, because I haven't bothered
>> to contact her in quite a while.  Frankly, I've given up....

>  Gee! I only got the first of those. And I had (optimistically) renewed  
>not long before that.

Same thing happened to me.  Very annoying.
From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:03:06 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Jul25.142322.19132@news.iastate.edu>, trump@iastate.edu
(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>In article <scottg.04vc@amiganet.chi.il.us> scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott
Git
>tlitz) writes:
>>
>>  I received my "SHAD" Video from the UK Thursday and had it converted this
>>morning.  I just finished viewing it and it lived up to all my expectations. 
>>Douglas Adams is a brilliant writer, and in my opinion one of DW best.  I
don't
>
>>understand what all the fuss was about this story - "SHADA" was not only the
>>pest story of season 17, but one T. Bakers best DW stories.
>
>Well, as I understand it, the workers went on strike or something and they
>didn't have the manpower to show it. Yes, Addams is a great writer, but he
>carries his ideas around with him (the Time Machine in Cambridge, and the
>Chesterfield. The Dead Planet(?_)was *identical* to DGHDI. Oh, well. After
>I found out about this, I suddenly had a lower view of Addams, as you might
>expect.
>
>Frank
>trump@iastate.edu
  I have to disagree with you, I guess you never hear the reasons for him
carring things over from both "The Pirate Planet" & "Shada".  Because of his
restriction he was not allowed to make the story he wanted. With DGHDI he had
all the creative freedom he wanted, and therfore made the story he always
WANTED to give the public. "SHADA" is his greatest DW work and should be
praised not critized.

  There is noway one can argue that Adams has the greatest imagination today
than any other writer, except maybe for Stephen King.
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From: a905576@tiuk.ti.com (David Pardoe          (0013 spif))
Subject: Re: New (Old?) Question
Reply-To: a905576@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:36:49 GMT

In article 17174428@vax.clarku.edu, mdowning@vax.clarku.edu () writes:
>Second question - *HOW DO* the doctor & companions understand aliens, ancient Romans, and every other species of creature that does something other than give a big "ROAR"?
>
>        Has the subject ever come up in other stories to anyone's knowledge?
>
>Greatly appreciative of any comments, explanations, or other tidbits -
>
>Sky.......................................
>
>PS If any other series such as Trek has its own explanation, I'm interested in that as well.

I don't recall where I saw the answer to this one, but I believe that the TARDIS has a
weak telepathic link with the Doctor and his companions, and this handles the
translation for them.

In ST:TOS, there was a universal translator gadget. In ST:TNG, this function is built
into the communicators (via a sub-space link to the Enterprose computer).

- David
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From: dmg4449@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Doctor Who Fan Club of America
Reply-To: dmg4449@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:53:30 GMT

Does anyone know what became of DWFCA out of Denver, Colorado?
They used to put out regular quarterly issues of a fanzine
and sponsor conventions across the nation.  I believe the two
guys who ran it had first names of Ron & Chad.  I had a 
subscription, but at some point, it just stopped coming.  Did
the group die out?  Go bankrupt?  Abscond with all the
subscriptions? :)
 
Any information would be appreciated....

-Daniel
From: myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: "Tomb" on New Hampshire's PBS!
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:44:40 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

	New Hampshire public television will be broadcasting "Tomb of the
Cybermen" August 29th, starting at 3:30pm!! The week before, in a double-bill
with "Kinda," they're running the Doctor Who special "resistance is Useless."
Both programs are in the middle of their pledge drive so beware. Hopefully,
like someone stated about Maryland above, they'll run "Tomb" in episode format.
They're notoriously for interuptting the show in the middle, far, far too many
times.
					Myst
					Myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
					Myst@Drycas.bitnet
From: norbeck@mira.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New (Old?) Question
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:44:45 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Jul31.083649.8709@csc.ti.com> a905576@tiuk.ti.com writes:
>In article 17174428@vax.clarku.edu, mdowning@vax.clarku.edu () writes:
>>Second question - *HOW DO* the doctor & companions understand aliens, ancient Romans, and every other species of creature that does something other than give a big "ROAR"?
>>Sky...........................
>I don't recall where I saw the answer to this one, but I believe that the TARDIS has a
>weak telepathic link with the Doctor and his companions, and this handles the
>translation for them.
>
>- David


I'm pretty sure the answer to this is in the Masque of Mandragora,
when at one point, sarah jane asks the Doctor how it is that she can
understand Medieval Italian (or whatever it was).  He says something
along the line of her being able to understand them because he shares
his innate ability to translate with her telepathically (or something
like that--it's been about 7 years since I've seen that one).  I
remember finding the idea rather fascinating at the time.  Maybe
someone else with the show on tape can look it up and correct what I'm
sure is a little fuzzy, if not mostly wrong.



Nancy




--
|Nancy Norbeck       | "I know that look."  "What look?"  "The look that says |
|....................|  you're going to be impetuous, vengeful, irresponsible,|
|norbeck@bucknell.edu|  and *stupid*!" --Lady Jane and Lovejoy, "Death and    |
|....................|     Venice"                                            |
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From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:44:24 GMT

Slight correction here

>>The final destruction of the Library was indeed under the Muslims. However
>>the Library was burned to the ground around 440. Parts of the library survived
>>and were finally finished off by the invaders.

I think the last burning took place in the late fourth century. Something
else happened in 440. The Emperor in Rome at this time was of course a 
christian, which is the point of this argument. 

I will take no further part in this thread, since it really belongs elsewhere.

Mark C.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:41:14 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul24.033251.8023@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.190629.9921@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.172404.11678@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>>>Who cares what Tom Baker said about Bumblebees? I disproved that bit a couple
>>>of days ago. That's not what this discussion is about. Wait a minute, wait a
>>>minute...If the Doctor said that Bumblebees couldn't fly, HE WAS WRONG...Whoa
>>>spoiler city.
>>>
>>>Frank Trumpy
>>>trump@iastate.edu
>>>
>>
>>Frank, their point is that bumblebees were once thought to not be able to
>>fly, aerodynamically speaking.  Science once said they shouldn't be able to
>>do it.  Their point (and mine) is that perhaps the same situation holds
>>true when it comes to time travel.
>>
>
>Bzzzzzt. Science said they shouldn't be able to fly if they were FIX WINGED,
>which the are obviously not. 
>
>Frank Trumpy
>trump@iastate.edu

YOU JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU FRANK FRUMPY, DO YOU?  
SCIENCE USED TO SAY IT CATEGORICALLY, THE CURRENTUPDATE IS "FIXED WINGED."
GOT IT?  NOW OPEN YOUR BLOODY MIND!!!!!!!
I DON'T REALLY GIVE A WHIT ABOUT THE BUMBLEBEES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE POSSIBILITY OF TIME TRAVEL, THE BUMBLEBEES ARE SIMPLY AN ANALOGY THAT
SOMETIMES ARROGANT PUPPIES OF SCIENCE LIKE YOU ARE OCCASIONALLY wrong.
Kabish?
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From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Your suggestions for improving the Clubs Listings
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Jul 1992 10:12 EST  

In article <D26coB3w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes...
> 
>This is concerning the Club's Listing.  As known, I am compiling, from the net
>and other source, a complete worldwide list of DW Fan clubs.
> 
>My question:  Can any improvements be made?  Do we need any regional CLubs'
>              Listings Guardians?   Could we internet the information?
>              I might end up getting a UNIX account soon, however the question
>of effeciency is at hand.
> 
>The question is could a programme be developped to handle such a listing and
>queries that might be produced?
> 
Since this is a simple database application, I'm sure one could be created
for the list and to handle queries.  I would not know how to handle, say,
an Internet server such as archie, but a simple database would be no
problem to write, including queries such as location and size..

Unfortunately, I would not have enough time to write it currently.  However,
their would be enough Whovians that could ...

Mike Neylon          aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermo GOD
  // Only the | Univ. of Toledo - Chemical Engineering - Senior
\X/   AMIGA!  |   NASA Lewis Research Center - Summer Intern
\_____________|_____smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov________________/
       -+ How do YOU spell 'potato'?  How about 'lousy'? +- 
      "Me and Spike are big Malcolm 10 supporters."-J.S.,PLCL
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.172404.11678@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>Who cares what Tom Baker said about Bumblebees? I disproved that bit a couple
>of days ago. That's not what this discussion is about. Wait a minute, wait a
>minute...If the Doctor said that Bumblebees couldn't fly, HE WAS WRONG...Whoa
>spoiler city.
>
>Frank Trumpy
>trump@iastate.edu
>

Frank, their point is that bumblebees were once thought to not be able to
fly, aerodynamically speaking.  Science once said they shouldn't be able to
do it.  Their point (and mine) is that perhaps the same situation holds
true when it comes to time travel.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Survival plot synopsis  PART THREE !SPOILERS*!
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:17:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Something that will interest all of you...

The final confrontation between the Doctor and the Master as aired is
radically different from the one in the draft script.  DWM printed it
a few years back in its original form.  It's fascinating to see what 
they originally planned... suffice it to say that it features the
Master asking "Who are you?"...

If you want, I can mail Stephen Manfred a transcript, and he can
incorporate it into a revised Survival Part III transcript.
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From: bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Jul23.172107.11476@news.iastate.edu>
	<1992Jul23.190435.9742@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:46:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.190435.9742@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

Frank said:
   >
   >Big deal. Do you INVESTIGATE it? Not all fo quantum physics deals with time,
   >and many areas hardly even brush it. Look, chaps, if you want the opinions of
   >hundreds upon hundreds of scientiscs, I'll get 'em for you. And 99% of them
   >say Time Travel is NOT possible. I would like to ask you all a question...
   >
   >In 1900, I am 20. A build a Time Machine and travel back in time to 1881. I
   >kille me as an infant. Now, where the hell did the 1900 me come from? Huh?
   >

   I can tell you have never worked with electronics.  One of the first things
you do with transistors is introduce feedback.  Just because this loop exists,
the circuit does blow-up or become impossable and seize to exist.  You just need
to consider this term in solving your equations... everything works out.

Assignment 1:  Build and examine simple curcuits using feedback.

   Ok, now we are ready to move onto the next step; studying wave mechanics.
In a simple differaction experiment you find a photon can not arrive on a piece
of film in certain locations after passing through a slit.  This can only be
explained by the actual photon be effected by not only where it went, but where
it could have gone.

Assignment 2:  Go to any university and try one of diffraction experiments.

Ok, after you've completed both these assignments and have thought about
the results, we can discuss things on an equal footing...  What is my point?
We know that what could happen effects what does happen.  Think about this
a while and maybe you'll understand my point.

If you reach this far and still don't understand my point, you might want to
try one last assignment.

Assignment 3:  Find out from your faviorite probability professor the meaning
of PROB(A|B).  Now try evaluating a simple model.  Assume you do build a
time machine and consider a universe with only three possable sets of events.
1) You invent a time machine.  2) You kill yourself befor inventing the time
machine.  3) You get struck by lighting befor you can kill yourself.  Now
ask yourself, can I construct a universe were PROB(2|1) = 0?  Is such a universe
self consistent?  (NOTE: You will come-up with some strange problems conserning
causality when you think about this...  However, if you apply the idea of feedback
you can even keep things consistent with known physical laws.)

                                        Bill



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From: jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com (Joseph Ogulin)
Subject: Re: Resurrection of the Daleks w/o sound effects?
Keywords: Resurrection Daleks
Organization: The Rift from Here to There
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:23:10 GMT

In article <83958@netnews.upenn.edu>, jneff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph D. Neff) writes:
|> 	I just saw Resurrection (for those like me who get confused about
|> R* of the Daleks, this was the Davison story) taped from Saturday's showing
|> on NJN.  I noticed a lack of sound effects for ray-guns, explosions, and
|> the TARDIS door.  Also, no incidental music.  Though it seemed rather
|> strange at the time, at least we got some insight into what the actors
|> really hear on the set.  Anyone know what happened to the distribution of
|> this story?

Hey, Joe... been a while... :-)

Back to this one, huh?  It has to do with the Beeb and it's infinite wisdom.
They distributed the wrong copy or somesuch silly reason.  I forget exactly
which.

-- 
==> "You never f**king know the answer when it's important." --The Doctor <==
Joe Ogulin

jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com		joe@monroe.pilot.dmg.ml.com
jogulin@apollo.stevens-tech.edu		gcs_jogulin@stevens.bitnet

Disclaimer:  The above article is solely my opinion and does not necessar-
ily reflect that of my employer.  The content is my responsibility alone.
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From: a905576@tiuk.ti.com (David Pardoe (spif))
Subject: Tangling and Excising (Was Re: PBs in England)
Reply-To: a905576@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:19:16 GMT

In article 9742, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>Now, you ask, how do I get back?  simple.  Travel back to where you
>first arrived and kill or stop yourself from killing yourself.  If you
>want to stay sane and not tie up the timelines into too big of a knot,
>I would try not to use deadly force if I were you.  

This doesn't put you back where you started, but in yet another parallel time-track
where you talked yourself out of killing yourself as a child. It'll be almost the
same universe, but YOU will be different.

 - David
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From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:33:07 GMT
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge

In article <w46coB4w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
>circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
>with the help of Jamie.
>However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
>from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
>this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
>of his memory cells?
>
> Opinions? Theories? Anyone?
>
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee

     The Doctor has a bad memory for such things.  Regernerations do that.  If
he had to remember the name of every incidental character from the 26 years, he
would be a babbling idiot.
     Don't like that?  How about the neat genentic stuff they did to him that
episode.  The genetic restructuring affected short-term RNA brain structure.
     He was being polite?  No, forget that; Davidson would be polite, but Colin
Baker would have made some obnoxious comment about it.  (BTW I can't see why
anyone would want a C. Baker fan club.  Okay, I can watch him... but like him?)
      Laws of time?  Or to keep from confusing Peri?  Or he believes in giving
everyone a fair chance?  (Hey, that's neat:  the Peri #2 met was older, more
experinced, slightly less annoying than Peri as she was when she first came
abord the TARDIS.  So, she's a different person, and should be juded fairly on
who she IS, not who she will be.  Might explain a lot of paradoxical behavior
by the Doctor.)


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From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: It works!!!  It works!!!   and Survival update
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:30:15

In article <01GMZXI6B8VK8WW2WW@kinni.acc.uwrf.edu> steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU writes:
> [deleted]
Hey, who's this Steven Manfred guy?  And how come Iain's using his
account!

:-)

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