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From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:42:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct7.204210.11692
Organization: Western Washington University

jameskau@koh-sun15.usc.edu (James Kaufman) writes:


>I just found out that they're definitely making a movie from Sondheim's
>Into the Woods; I spoke with Lowell Ganz (he wrote A League of their Own,
>Splash, City Slickers, Parenthood, etc), and he and his writing partner
>Babaloo Mandel finished the screenplay.  The studio is shipping the screenplay
>around to different directors.  As for casting, nothing's set yet, but Ganz
>said he could definitely see Billy Crystal (he also wrote Crystal's latest
>movie, Mr. Saturday Night) playing the Baker.  
>Anyone have any dream casting choices?

Yeah, how 'bout Bernadette Peters, Joanna Gleason(sp), and Robert Westenberg
(sp?). All of them were MARVELOUS in originating the roles, so why not give
them the nod? Especially if Crystal is in it, they shouldn't need any other
big Hollywood names screwing it up. 

-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 09:13:22 -0400 
From: "Clay R. Zambo" <cz23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Alan Menken 

Speaking further of Alan Menken. . .

A friend of mine whose cable system carries The Disney Channel tells me
that he heard something about a new lyricist-partner for Menken: Stephen
Schwartz.  This pairing seems too good to be true: Menken's ripe
Broadway sound with Schwartz's intelligent lyrics.

Can anybody confirm this?  Is it a project-specific collaboration, or
long-term?

-CZ 

Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
From: jefrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason E Frank)
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:27:29 GMT

In article <BvrtsJ.Co0@news.udel.edu> conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
>
>Assuming that the main characters will still be the same, I admit I have
>trouble seeing anyone but Joanna Gleason as the Baker's Wife.  But how
>about casting some of the GOOD show singers whom one could never gather
>in the same cast onstage?
>
>Howard McGillin and George Dvorsky as the two princes
>Rebecca Luker as Cinderella
>Kim Criswell and Debbie Shapiro as the stepsisters
>Judy Kaye as the stepmother
>Michael Jeter as the Mysterious Man
>Jason Graae as the Baker
>Daisy Eagan as Red Riding Hood
>John Cameron Mitchell as Jack

Most of these names are not well-enough known outside of theatre
to be likely candidates.  The one major exception is Michael Jeter
who has won acclaim for theatre (Grand Hotel), movies (he practically
stole the show in The Fisher King), and most recently TV (referring
to his much-deserved Emmy for Evening Shade).  But I think that the
Mysterious Man/Baker's father is much too serious a character (even
given his lines)--I'd much rather see him as the baker.  Anyone 
have thoughts on this?
--jason
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Internships
From: jakrute@acs.harding.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:17:43 -0500
Reply-To: jakrute@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

I'm a junior Grneral Studies major with a lot of college theater experience
(acting, tech, and Asst. Directing),  (whoops, i just mispelled "general")
and I'm looking for an intership for the Spring/Summer of 1994, preferably
in the theater/film arena.  I know it's a long way off, but I figure that it
will take a long time to get something good, so, if you have any suggestons,
leads, etc, PLEASE, PLEASE, e-mail me a response.  I'm currently going to
school in Arkansas, live in Illinois, but I'd be willing to relocate anywhere
if the job is right.
Thanx in advance,
CyberBanshee
JAKRUTE@acs.harding.edu
From: Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Musical Drama on Broadway
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:09:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I was just asking the section in classical music what they thought of
Glass and opera. I want to know what you think of the modern Musial
dramas being but out by Lloyd-Webber et al. What is their main weakness
and what do you believe is the reason for their popular support?

Thank you,
Joe Marcheso
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: Musical Drama on Broadway
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.000946.3457@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) writes:
>I want to know what you think of the modern Musial
>dramas...

Oh yeah, I'm a big fan of baseball plays.

Coming soon to Broadway: "Stan The Man: The Musial Story."

Keith Carradine as Stan

Lea Salonga as his Forbidden Love

John Mahoney as the Crotchety Manager

Bat girl chorus line choreographed by Tommy Tune.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
From: deleon@adobe.com (Michael de Leon)
Subject: Theatre Behavior [Was: Lea Solanga in Concert] 
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:13:39 GMT

In article <3290012@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> shalese@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Shalese Huang) writes:
>Well, I also went to the concert and I think it was _terrible_!!
>She was great, I agree but everything else was just SO bad that I had
>a hard time concentrating on her performance.
>First, civic auditorium is not really a concert hall, the sound was
>bouncing all over. The microphone once broke down at "Sun and Moon".
>Second, It felt like being in a football game. They let people bring
>babies, and food in. Babies crying sound, the straw sipping sound,
[Stuff deleted]
>Well, just my humble opinion. 
>
>Shalese

Food? Drinks? This amazes me, first in the fact that they allowed people
to do this, second in the fact that people actually did so. It's bad 
enough having to be in a theatre where there is ALWAYS at least one 
person who begins unwrapping that damn candy bar or whatever. They
begin slowly figuring the slower the unwrapping the softer the sound.
WRONG! Then, when they realize that one-hundred people in their area are
shifting uncomfortably in their seats they quickly finish ripping open the
package. 

Why do people continue to treat the theatre as if it were a trip to
the movies? Thankfully, some theatres have begun to implement strict
rules about latecomers. I just wish they'd come up with some equally
strict rules about eating inside the theatre. As for babies, I'm not
against bringing them (well, ok, sort of) but I think the parent should
always be seated on an aisle. 

Does anyone have any other theatre horror stories?

By the way, why do people have to eat hot dogs and popcorn (some of the
smelliest and loudest foods available) at the movies? Well, I guess that
one is for rec.arts.movies.

Michael de Leon
deleon@adobe.com
From: leavitt@artex.waisman.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: THEATRE IN WASHINGTON D.C.?
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:47:00 GMT
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison

I'm going to D.C. this weekend.
Are there any interesting plays to see next week?

Thanks in advance,
Lewis
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
From: oakes@clear15.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Oakes)
Subject: Re: Theatre Behavior [Was: Lea Solanga in Concert] 
Reply-To: oakes@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:45:20 GMT

In article <MURRAY.92Oct8090034@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu>, murray@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Thomas Murray) writes:
|> Tallk about appalling....
|> 
|> The Auditorium Theatre (Theater for the rest of you) actually has
|> vendors walk up and down the aisles at intermission, selling ice-cream
|> bars to audience members who haven't gotten up from their seats.
|> People are then allowed to eat in their seats.  This just blows my
|> mind.  What is this?  A baseball game or something?  
|> 
|> Only in Chicago.... (I hope!).
|> 
|> -tom
|> 
When did they do this.  I have been to 3 different shows at the Auditorium Theatre
for a total of 4 different performances (I saw Les Miserables twice), and have
never seen this going on.  Three of the times I was in the balcony and once on the
floor, but have never left my seat durring intermission.

I have also been to shows at the Civic Theater and the Chicago Theater without
this kind of activity going on.  I have never seen it at the Victory Gardens --
A small Writers company near Lincoln Park -- or the Marriott Lincolnshire Theater.

Perhaps this was either a pratice that has now been stopped (the pictures in the
windows near the Auditorium Theatre tell of an interesting past) or a one time
occurance.

Ronald B. Oakes
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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Philately (will get you nowhere)
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:42:10 GMT

rec.arts.theatre, as we all know, is the cover-name for
what is really rec.arts.musicals.broadway.  So readers
of *that* newsgroup will be thrilled to hear that the U.S.
Post Office has announced a series of commemorative stamps
to be issued in 1993, called "Legends of American Music."

In February and March, following the Elvis stamp (due out
on January 8), the Post Office will release 29-cent stamps
honoring four Broadway musicals, "Oklahoma!", "Show Boat",
"Porgy and Bess" and "My Fair Lady".
-- 
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From: toomsen8928@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: SERIOUS ACTING STUDENTS!
Date: 11 Oct 92 08:55:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Oct11.135538.7504
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

DEAR FELLOW THEATER STUDENT,

HI! I AM NEW TO THE VAX AND HAVE NOTICED THIS GROUP'S EMPHASIS ON LYRIC AND
MUSICAL THEATER. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO SOME STUDENTS INTERESTED IN ACTING -
MAINLY STANISLAVSKIAN, METHOD-BASED ACTING. 

I ATTEND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA IN CEDAR FALLS IOWA AND AM A SERIOUS
ACTING EMPHASIS STUDENT. I HAVE NOTICED THAT, IN OUR DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A
SMALL SPLIT AMONG STUDENTS AND FACULTY IN REGARD TO JUST HOW IMPORTANT
STANISLAVSKI'S IDEALS ARE TO ACTING TODAY. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT
"ACTING" IS JUST THAT - COMPLETING AN ACTION. A PLAY IS LIVING A
MOMENT-TO-MOMENT LIFE WITHIN THE GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE SCRIPT. THE STAKES
SHOULD BE HIGH AS THE ACTOR SIMPLY, DIRECTLY AND COMPLETELY FULFILLS HIS OR HER
SINGLE OBJECTIVES. ANYTHING ADDITIONAL IS MANIPULATION AND IS FALSE. (NOT THAT
IT IS WRONG - IT JUST IS NOT A PART OF MY ACTING VALUES). ANYWAY, IF YOU'D LIKE
TO TALK ABOUT THIS OR ASK QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, LET'S HOOK UP! 

PS - NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO MUSICAL THEATER. I LOVE IT, BUT IT'S PRIMARY GOAL
RARELY SEEMS TO INCLUDE HONEST ACTING. (OR MAYBE YOU THINK IT DOES - PLEASE
REPLY!)

MY DIRECT LINE IS: TOOMSEN8928@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: MR_CA_CBU@OSI.OHIO.GOV
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Are you waiting for CT pkg? - reason for delay follows
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:28:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.199210161630.AA29266


     16-Oct-1992 12:10
     
     FYI - Update on status of ZCT PR Project - no reply needed...unless 
     you want to, of course...
     
     Over the past week or so, I've had a very encouraging response to my 
     request for reviewers for my Zanesville Community Theatre PR package 
     - so you've been waiting for UPS to deliver it......I haven't 
     shipped it yet because I've had to rework what I'm shipping.
     
     I expected about 10 or so requests, and have received more than 28!
     
     So, instead of sending you the material (5 complete packages!) as my 
     target market received it, I'll be sending out the basic package and 
     the material necessary to change the basic package into the other 4 
     packages. Those of you who have updated computer software/hardware 
     manuals will know the process...
     
     Also, last night, I did an experiment in marketing - and I want to 
     include the results. Basically, we joined the local Chamber of 
     Commerce. They have these get-togethers each month called Business 
     After Hours. We were one of the sponsors this month. A $50.00 fee - 
     wavered since we were a new member. (a pleasant surprise!)
     
     I'll give more details in package. 
     
     Reworked package will go out by no later than 10-21-92 - I have to 
     be in Canada (and off-line) from 10-22-92 thru 10-27-92.
     
     Thanks very much for your patience.
     
     Carl Underwood         MR_CA_CBU@OHIO.GOV
     ZCT PR Project
     Post Office Box 2633
     Zanesville OH 43702-2633 U.S.A.
     
     (614) 454-0881 home 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:45:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.172955.27236@adobe.com> deleon@adobe.com (Michael de Leon) writes:

>In article <1atrhcINN730@koh-sun15.usc.edu> jameskau@koh-sun15.usc.edu (James Kaufman) writes:

[about the Ganz/Mandel screenplay of Into the Woods, now complete:]

>>Anyone have any dream casting choices?

>As I recall, and I may be way off, Into the Woods was going to be filmed 
>using Muppet characters. Has this idea been dropped (I hope)?

You are partly off.  The idea was not "Muppet characters," but
"creatures from the Jim Henson Creature Shop," which supplied, for
instance, the marvelous Alice in Wonderland creatures for the movie
"Dreamchild."  The idea was that the Wolf and possibly new animals to be
devised for the screenplay would be done in this way.  The humans would
still be human.

Meryl Streep was mentioned in early announcements as likely casting for
the Witch, but then she's probably first choice for most movie projects.
She'd be wonderful; she can make both vampiness and ugliness funny, and
she can certainly sing the part.

Contrary to someone else's response, I would NOT be interested in seeing
the original cast repeat their roles.  We already have the video of the
stage production; the movie, as I understand it, will be a chance to
re-imagine it rather fundamentally, and why not?

Assuming that the main characters will still be the same, I admit I have
trouble seeing anyone but Joanna Gleason as the Baker's Wife.  But how
about casting some of the GOOD show singers whom one could never gather
in the same cast onstage?

Howard McGillin and George Dvorsky as the two princes
Rebecca Luker as Cinderella
Kim Criswell and Debbie Shapiro as the stepsisters
Judy Kaye as the stepmother
Michael Jeter as the Mysterious Man
Jason Graae as the Baker
Daisy Eagan as Red Riding Hood
John Cameron Mitchell as Jack

and so on?  (Yes, I know they'd never do it this way, but it's a fun
thought.)

Jon Alan Conrad
From: mac@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael C. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: Theatre Behavior [Was: Lea Solanga in Concert]
Date: 16 Oct 1992 20:17:07 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <MURRAY.92Oct8090034@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> murray@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Thomas Murray) writes:
>The Auditorium Theatre (Theater for the rest of you) actually has
>vendors walk up and down the aisles at intermission, selling ice-cream
>bars to audience members who haven't gotten up from their seats.
>People are then allowed to eat in their seats.  This just blows my
>mind.  What is this?  A baseball game or something?  
>
>Only in Chicago.... (I hope!).

Nope.  In the four theaters I was at in London over New Years, they
also had vendors in the aisles during intermission.  Although at the
time I appreciated it as I was somewhat/very sick (it saved running
around and queueing up), I don't generally believe in it for live 
theater performances.
I do however eat popcorn and drink drinks (and sometimes indulge in
tearing off candy wrappers) at movies.  Take that away, and I'll wait
form the videos every time!  :-)

mike
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: theatre behavior?
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:03:44 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center

In article <1992Oct11.145002.7507@iscsvax.uni.edu> sherwood2840@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Hello fellow theatre students!
>
>This is my first time posting anything so please bear with me!
>
>I am very distressed by some of the items I have read on this group concerning
>"Theatre Behavior".  I was frightened when I read the words "strict rules" being
>applied to the audience.  Like everyone, I too have my theatre horror stories

Well, I would say that this doesn't apply to rules as much as it applies to
the accepted behavior within the theatre.

I would say that certain 'noises' and actions by other audeince members make
it difficult for other members to concentrate and understand the 'message'
being shown or sung to us by the cast.  It is not a question of freedom of
expression unless you consider the unwrapping of a candy bar expression.
i]Unwrapping a candy bar is not expressing anything while you are listening
to music unless you are telling your SO that you hate this performance and
you want to leave.  In that case plea{e leave and spare the rest of us.


Mark E. Porterfield
ISA
Pgh. Supercomputing Ctr.
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porterfi@psc.edu - internet [flames to /dev/null or here please]
From: lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:13:48 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1atrhcINN730@koh-sun15.usc.edu>, jameskau@koh-sun15.usc.edu (James Kaufman) writes:
|> 
|> I just found out that they're definitely making a movie from Sondheim's
|> Into the Woods; I spoke with Lowell Ganz (he wrote A League of their Own,
|> Splash, City Slickers, Parenthood, etc), and he and his writing partner
|> Babaloo Mandel finished the screenplay.  The studio is shipping the screenplay
|> around to different directors.  As for casting, nothing's set yet, but Ganz
|> said he could definitely see Billy Crystal (he also wrote Crystal's latest
|> movie, Mr. Saturday Night) playing the Baker.  
|> Anyone have any dream casting choices?
|> James Kaufman
|> jameskau@aludra.usc.edu
|> 
|> 

It's interesting that they would do this, since they have broadcast the 
original cast.  I don't know if it's available on videotape (but I have it)
and I can't imagine filming it any better than that.  
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From: kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com (the Rev. Mom)
Subject: Re: Lea Salonga in Concert (comments)
Organization: CRS San Diego UUCP Gateway
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:15:44 GMT

>Peter Luk (Peter.Luk@eng.sun.com) writes:
>
>...I would keep my eyes and ears open for
>anything she will be doing in the future.

I mentioned this back in August, but it seems worth repeating.
In the upcoming Disney animated feature, ALADDIN, Lea Salonga's
doing the singing voice for Princess Jasmine.  There's a lovely
duet (Aladdin's singing voice is somebody named Scott Winger, I
think), called "Whole New World", where she just NAILs those
notes!

Don't ask me why they're using separate singing/talking voices.
I don't know.  I would like to think, however, that Wise and
Trousedale would never countenance such goings-ons, even if
Musker and Clements would.

BTW, for those of you who like to identify lyricists, note that
the score of ALADDIN has six songs by Alan Menken: three of which
have lyrics by Howard Ashman, and three by Tim Rice.

Speaking of Alan Menken, did anybody see WEIRD ROMANCE?  I'm a
real fan of Brennert's Twilight Zone Episode/short story/story
collection HER PILGRIM SOUL, and wanted to know how the stage
version turned out.

--Kathy Li aka the Rev. Mom
-- 
------------------------|  "Yo, Rug-man!  Haven't seen you in a few millenia!
kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com |  Give me some tas-*sel*!"
------------------------|                  -- The Genie, ALADDIN.
From: rjones@CORNELL-IOWA.EDU ("Rick Jones")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Theatre behavior
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:02:00 GMT

Michael de Leon wonders about horror stories...

All of us, no doubt, have experienced variations on the theme of
squalling babies (LEAVE THEM HOME!), incessant talkers, and
open-mouthed munchers.  My personal favorite (using the term
advisedly) incident happened several years ago.  One of my numerous
functions for a small summer stock theatre was house managing all the
productions for which I was not needed elsewhere.  The theatre was
originally designed as a dance hall, and had neither air conditioning
nor sound insulation.  As a consequence, we occasionally had to choose
between opening the doors and windows (thereby allowing in all sorts
of traffic noise) or closing them and trying to keep everyone as cool
as possible with only a couple of 4' fans to try to do the job.  After
lengthy conversation, we chose to open the windows but close the
doors... and we decided to run the big 12-14' exhaust fan up until
curtain and during all intermissions.  It helped, but it was quite
loud and obnoxious.  One fairly warm night we had a customer who had
obviously spent all day in the sun with no sun screen at all: he
looked like a lobster.  First, we had to convince him that health laws
did in fact require that he wear a shirt in the theatre.  Then, as the
play was about to start, and we turned off the big exhaust fan, he
stood up on his seat and starting screaming at the audience to overthrow the
f-ing Fascists who ran the theatre and wouldn't leave the fan on.  Of
course, no one else had severe sunburn; everyone else wanted to hear
the play... it was ugly.  We had to hold curtain almost five minutes
before we could get him under control.  Curiously, I don't remember
the details of what ensued -- can I run for president now? :-)  All I
recall was this beer-bellied lobster hurling obscenities at me and the
theatre I worked for.  So... there's my personal horror story.

Cheers,

Rick
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James McInerney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: Musical Drama on Broadway
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:47:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Musical drama

In article <1992Oct14.000946.3457@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) writes:
>I was just asking the section in classical music what they thought of
>Glass and opera. I want to know what you think of the modern Musial
>dramas being but out by Lloyd-Webber et al. What is their main weakness
>and what do you believe is the reason for their popular support?
>
>Thank you,
>Joe Marcheso



Having seen a number of Musicals both on and off Broadway,
I would have to say that it is a typical cheese factor...
The music is cheesy, the story is usually cheesy, the
effects are usually better than cheesy...usually.
Cheesy does not mean bad in any way, it is just a good
adjective to describe modern musicals...This is their
main weakness, and also the reason for their popular
support...the average theatre goer loves cheese, the more
the better.

I personally love cheese and all of Lloyd-Webbers work,
with my favorites being the early to mid eighties cheese...
Evita, Song and Dance...etc.


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