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From: dfisk@level10.UUCP (David Fisk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:16:44 EST
Organization: Dave's Amiga

In article <1992Sep1.034739.10529@tronsbox.xei.com> bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
> Sorry, wrong numbers.  It needs SVGA, but that's really what's been
> coming with every Intel-based machine for more than a year.  I haven't
> seen a VGA card in a long time that didn't do 640x480x256.  The suggested
> speed is 25 Mhz or better, not 33.  Of course, the faster the machine,
> the faster the game will run, and I'm sure there are lots of people
> out there who'll scream if it takes more than a second to
> redraw.<grin>
> 
> One meg of ram is required, two is suggested.  Once again, since the
> game buffers a lot of the graphics, the more ram you have the faster
> it'll run, since it won't have to go to the HD all the time.
> 
Ok, I just checked the box. 386/16 and 2M RAM minimum, 386/33 w/ 8M is
recommended however. I've used it on a 386/33 w/ 4M and it played pretty
good, although it is still a bit slow in redrawing. It takes a noticible
amount of time to first draw each hole. A 486/25 was a bit better.

Dave...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:51:55 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Sep3.232209.4485@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <wedYCta00j_H8IOBh4@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>>> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 3-Sep-92 More AmigaWorld Lies
>>> Marc N Barrett@iastate.e (3857)
>>
>>> Mr. Barney also goes on state facts that are simply wrong.  He states
>>> that 
>>> there are about 1000 Amiga dealers in the U.S., and there can't possibly
>>> be 
>>> this many.  
>>
>>Of course there can be.   There are two major (full line) and at least
>>one minor (a500+software) amiga dealers in Pittsburgh alone. There are
>>lots of cities in the US. If you wanted to rant about this, you'd be
>>better off saying "WOT!!!?? only 1000, why, there are 3000 mac dealers
>>in Indiana alone." or some such.
>
>   You have just supplied information to support my argument.  I already 
>said that there are tow Amiga dealers in Nebraska and Iowa; since Nebraska
>and Iowa have a combined population of 4.5 million people, that's two Amiga
>dealers per 4.5 million people.  What's the population of Pittsburgh?  
>Probably pretty close to 4.5 million.  So if the rest of the nation is like
>this -- about 4 dealers per 4 million peopleor so, with 250 million people in
>the U.S. total -- we get:
>
>  4 dealers 
>---------------- * 250 million == 250 dealers
>4 million people
>
>
>   Thus, most cities have to have a LOT more than 4 dealers per 4 million 
>people for there to be 1000 of them in the U.S.
>

    Marc, this is REALLY getting old.  You have just demonstrated the 
incredible power of unqualified statistical analysis (probably without
realizing it): The ability to work the figures to whatever end goal is
desired.

                 ----------------------------------------
           LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
 Internet: lkoop@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu -OR- f00012@kanga.stcloud.msus.edu
              "You mean you want MORE lights on this thing???"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:13:32 GMT

In article <65142@cup.portal.com> devasoft@cup.portal.com (David Michael Alves) writes:
>
>Yes, that's true, UNREAL does require a speedy machine to run with any 
>respectability.  But now that prices on 486 machines are coming down so 
>quickly, (not to mention the fact that a lot of the big clone companies 
>don't even sell anything below a 486 anymore), we'll probably see the 486 
>become a pretty common setup.

It's becomming a common response here :

Amiga Advocate:
"You need a 486 to do some things as fast as a stock Amiga."

Real-world reply:
"But, the 486 is cheaper than the Amiga!"

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: POLL : NEW MACHINE according to .advocacy
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:57:33 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <fbyyr0k@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>other: One of the reasons I don't think C= will do anything soon is I HOPE 
>they will listen to the users and rewrite Denise to 8- or 16-bit sound. We 
>NEED a new Denise.

	That would be an odd move on Commodore's part, considering Denise
is basically a video output chip.  I think you meant Paula.  In a way, I 
agree.  I think they should make a new Paula that allows 8 voices or more
in hardware (if this is somehow impossible, due to technical reasons, forgive
me, I'm not big on hardware).  Many people are screaming for 16bit sound built
in, but I don't see any need for this.  This would make the price very high
and 16bit isnt useful for the normal hobbiest, it's filesizes are much too
big for storing many soundfiles, etc.  If you NEED 16 bit, buy a 3rd party
board.  Such things shouldn't be included in the LCD computers.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:50:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.204305.5251@kas.helios.mn.org> rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:
>In article <Yk5Ar*LT0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>=In article <1992Aug22.042013.16635@kas.helios.mn.org>, Rob Healey writes:
>=
>=> 	The 3000T '040 ad in byte this month was sad because it showed
>=> 	how far behind the times Amiga really is. On one page you
>=> 	had the 3000T '040 for $5998.00. 5 pages later you have a DELL
>=> 	33Mhz 486 system that can do more for $2699.00. It's sad really
>=
>=I think that the 040 is faster than the 486.  What do you mean by "do more?"
>=
>	A 25Mhz '040 is not faster than a 50Mhz 486DX. By do more, you

	Look up, at least you should have edited the fact that we are talking
about an 33Mhz 486 :-)

>	can best answer than by walking in to your local computer
>	software store and compare the Amiga selection to PC, or
>	Mac if you want a smaller ratio...

	Well although not talked about, if we are talking about what the 
hardware can do then I run MAC software on my Amiga no problem.
Word 5 Excell works Great, Faster than my friends Mac IIci 
The screen moving is MUCH faster !! and the speed of comppressing
files is much faster too. Why does Stuffit take 20 min for a whole disk ?
wereas DMS takes a matter of say under 30 secs on a RAD disk !!
(A  not for those that will jump, the mac unstuffs to an image file
and then you dump the image file to a disk with a diffrent program)

>
>	Hmm, 6k-2.7k=3.3k to spend on any kludges I may need. Sounds
>	good to my pocketbook!
>
>	I can also bring home work or trade data with more people.
>
>		-Rob

	Why can you run mac stuff ? If I wanted I could run IBM stuff.
		George

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:01:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.175134.11380@endicor.com> tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.151546.22611@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>> AmigaOS is a real-time OS?  Since when?  What real-time features does it
>> have that OS/2 does not?
>
>Since day 1.  "What real time features does it have" is a
>semi-nonsequiter.  Something is either real-time or it isn't.  There
>isn't much of an inbetween.  Do you understand what makes a realtime OS
>different? I'm not trying to be insultiung, it's just that many people
>don't understand what realtime means or why you'd want it.

	The "features" that make a real-time operating system are a
predictable interrupt latency and task-switch time.  I don't think any
claims of real-time-ness have been made by CBM, but I believe the Exec
latencies could be calculated, and the hardware causes of longer
latencies are known and therefore controllable, so therefore an Amiga
could be used where an actual real-time system is needed.

	Now, it's true for any real-time application that the *system*
must be balanced for real-time use.  Therefore, if one real-time task
is stalled because some *other* real-time task created a 4 bit-plane
high res screen which is starving the CPU, or began a compute-bound
process at a higher priority, this doesn't mean the system is flawed,
it means your job as the real-time system designer isn't done.
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: kjelli@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjell Irgens)
Subject: Re: High Density drive for the Amiga???
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:26:49 GMT

|> In the includes for Kick 3.0 (beta 4) there is definitions from which you
|> can conclude that HAM is possible in both hires and superhires with AA.
|> 
|> No flames accepted, it was a bird who whispered it in my ear!

Why are you still wondering about what the new display modes are?  Didn't you
read the official AA specs posted in advocacy?  I know that the posting was
hardly approved by Commodore, but you still shouldn't have missed it... ;)

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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:30:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug27.054653.28730@pdnfido.fidonet.org>
  <1992Aug27.102521.8189@marlin.jcu.edu.au>
  <1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org>

In article <1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org>
scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:

|  [...]
|  Faces is an obscure file format that I've never heard of.  It would seem
|  very inefficient to offer an entire database of people's photographs in a
|  format that very few people have even heard of, let alone use.
|  [...]

I'm not going to belabor the point since I really don't care what happens
in this regards.

However, 50+ MB of "faces"-format pictures on ftp.uu.net doesn't indicate to
me ``an obscure file format''; the "faces" format was specifically designed
for purposes such as Skip's original proposal made to this newsgroup, and has
been around since 1988 or so.

As for "efficiency", perhaps you missed my first post in this regards.  An
Amiga viewer has been available for 3 years.

If you haven't heard of it ("faces"), then it's your loss for not keeping
abreast of what's happening in the computer industry as a whole.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: New Products
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:42:19 GMT

>OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COMMODORE!!!
> 
>Commodore Canada has officially announced a number of products.
> 
>- Amiga 4000 an official product!!!  To be shown to the public at WOC
>Pasadena on September 12!  It ***WILL*** have the AA ChipSet!  Finally the
>speculation is about to end!!

	Did they state an offical PRICE?  I hope its not another 040 A3000T
        selling for $5995.

>- AA ChipSet (as said above) officially announced.

	Did they state whether existing machines could upgrade (easily?)
        to the new chipset.

>- A570 officially announced.  No word on whether it will have internal RAM
>and HD expansion like the UK final-revision vvrsion does (which was added
>at the last minute).  Officially ready to ship any time now.

	I hope they keep the price of this low.   Its going to be sold to
        the low end Amiga market, where people have paid $299 for their
        A500's.  

>- A3000T/040.  Tower A3000 with '040 on a card in the CPU slot, 5 megs of
>RAM, and a 200 meg HD.  The '030 and '882 slots are empty.  I couldn't find
>out pricing, ther than to get an official comment that it would be "much
>better" than adding an '040 card to a normal A3000T.

	Isn't this the Amiga that CBM is already advertising at $5995.

>The A4000 and new CDTV add-ons to ship "this quarter" (read what you like
>into that), but I was told that it will **DEFINITELY** ship before the end
>of the year, come hell or high water.  If you have the dosh sitting in the
>bank, you WILL be able to have a AA ChipSet equipped A4000 before
>Christmas. 

	The question is HOW MUCH will the A4000 cost?  What happened to all
        the lower end AA chipset models also?  Have they been delayed until
        next year, or is CBM only going to put the AA chipset in the A4000?

							G.Greene

>Steven Hurdle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:44:09 EST
 <1992Aug28.180801.25667@ctr.columbia.edu> <1992Aug31.064154.3811@desire.wright.edu> <1992Sep2.151023.22684@ctr.columbia.edu>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Sep2.151023.22684@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> 1992Aug31.064154.3811@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
> In the article to which I replied, you said something to the effect of, "There
> are so many kludges for fixing Intel's segmented memory -- EMS, XMS, VM, etc."
> 
	The word 'segmented' was never in my post.  But believe what you
	want.
>>
>>	I think just about 
>>	anybody with an objective viewpoint would agree to at least
>>	XMS and EMS being kludges.
>>
> 
> No.  As much as I don't like using these in my programs, the *only* way to
> use more than 1MB RAM on an 8086 (or any x86 in Real Mode) is via a software
> interface such as XMS or EMS.  I would call something a "kludge" if there were
> a better way of achieving the same goal.  In this case, there isn't.
> 
	Now Jerry, you can't decide not to call something a kludge just 
	because you don't like it.  A kludge is a kludge.

>>
>>	Segmented memory is another story.
>>	Intel sells it as a form of memory protection.  But since Intel has
>>	decided that Motorola and Digital were correct enough  that they 
>>	implemented a flat memory model in their latest processors...
>>
> 
> In the 8086 (and Real Mode), segmentation was used only to increase the
> address space to 1MB without extending the registers beyond 16 bits.  In
> Protected Mode, however, segmentation serves several additional purposes --
> a means of protection and address virtualization.  On the 386, Intel did

	Yes I have read about this but I'm not into the architecture end
	of things enough to appreciate.  I can understand the MP bit, but
	address virtualization ?  Give me a good example why I need that.


> +-------------------+-----------------------+--------------------------------+
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> | Drummers do it... | Inc.  Waltham, MA USA | in my book of memories.        |
> |    ... In rhythm! |     (617) 890-2888    |              -- Guns N' Roses  |
> +-------------------+-----------------------+--------------------------------+
> |           ...! [ princeton mit-eddie bu sunne ] !polygen!jerry             |
> |                            jerry@polygen.com                               |
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:42:06 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
: The PDS IS a general purpose slot - which I find much more desirable - it
: has full bus access regardless, and there are several processor upgrades
: (40 and 50Mhz 030, and 040) in the works.

But it's NOT.  It's nothing more than access to motherboard signals,
which makes it impossible, or nearly so, to have more than one slot,
more than one peripheral.  If you upgrade the processor, there goes
anything else you'd want...

Greg

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re: Spot on Headline News... Where was C=?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:37:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <92237.185524AUBRI@ASUACAD.BITNET>

>Commodore is a tiny company compared to IBM.

EVERYBODY is a tiny company compared to IBM!

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.055439.20316@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>Give me a break. The Soundblaster is a horrible sound board, 

I've heard a Soundblaster Pro and IMO it compares fairly well to my
Amiga's sound.  We had an Amiga and a clone side-by-side playing the
same modules and you could hardly tell the difference.

>and full motion
>(30 frames/sec) won't come out of Microsoft's MPC specs (at present).

I've seen a software MPEG player on a 486 achieve pretty good animation.
Not full screen though.

>Philip McDunnough

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodore meltdown?!
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:24:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: dptspd.BttCoC.5w8
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX

In article <1992Aug29.212606.20548@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>
>MANY french people mailed me and said what are you Jerry Louis?
>School starting soon and TRUTH WILL BE IN JEOPARDY when I am not here
                          ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^
>to protect it.
 ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^  

HA HA HA HA!!!  HO HO HO HO!!!

Wow!  I haven't laughed so hard since this morning, when Ren poked
Stimpy in both eyes through both nostrils...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Evan Torrie <torrie@cs.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: Stanford University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:59:04 GMT



In article <1992Aug30.224805.29041@nntp.uoregon.edu> Gregg Giles,
ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>   Or, Commodore could just release an external 5.25" CD-ROM drive for
all
>machines. If an A500/600 user is going to fork out $400 plus for a CD-ROM
>drive, they are bound to already have a hard drive. (I'm just shooting
holes
>in your argument.)

  Actually, especially at the low-end, I can see lots of opportunity
for a machine which has just a floppy and a CD-ROM.  You can stick
600MB of stuff on that CD-ROM, and if you allow machines to run
from read-only devices, there would be a great market for 
pre-made CD-ROM disks which come with the operating system and
games/applications already set up on disk.  Why do you need more
than a floppy disk to store your letters/check accounts on?

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Black Apples
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:33:23 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>>
>>>(I even played on a black Apple at the local Community college as late as
>>>1986!  It was an ordinary Apple...just the case was black....)
>>
>>I believe the black apples a Bell and Howell badged version made by Apple
>>in an effort to sell computers through camera stores.
>
>Yes, that's correct.  The Bell and Howell name was on them, and they were
>pure apples, and pure black.  (Thanks for the correct company name - Honeywell
>was dashing through my mind, and I *KNEW* that wasn't correct!)

I believe Bell & Howell had a computer course at one time (sort of like
a Heathkit course), and the black Apples were part of it.  Thus you would
usually see them in community colleges.

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:55:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <13806@chalmers.se> <64904@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug29.171531.827@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <64950@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug30.205801.15188@ra.msstate.edu> <64965@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug31.135250.680@ra.msstate.edu>

>I've been using a PC at work lately and have become convinced that if
>the Amiga is to compete price-wise, it needs to be unbundled.

That makes sense, but why bundle it with the IDE then? If I have to
pay for the SCSI controller, don't make me pay for an IDE controller
I have no interest in!

>I'll play the Devil's Advocate and defend C='s choice on using IDE instead
>of SCSI.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me Tom Arnold is funny, and he
married Rosanne for love, not her money.

>What if you need some sort of drive array or an intelligent
>disk controller with a cache?  You'll end up buying a controller because
>the stock one simply won't do in that case.

Not that they're likely to be available for the Amiga, ever.

>It's really funny that everyone is getting worked up on a machine that is
>still vaporware.

This is *advocacy*! You pretend to be worked up. Personally, I haven't
a clue about any new machines, but I'm excited by the possibility.

>The machines specs have probably been decided upon for
>quite some time now and nothing we say or do will change it.

Not true. CBM doesn't make a move without consulting me first.

>machines do ship with IDE only, will many simply turn their noses up and
>walk away?

No, I'm saving my $$$ right now to buy one.

>The only thing that is more ridiculous is the persons who
>keep threatening to sell their Amigas if C= does not provide them with
>an upgrade to the AA chipset.

You mean besides people who think Rosanne is funny?

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy