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From: tom@varian.com (tom cao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Coaching Help
Summary: Coaching Help
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:36:47 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

In article <ujqcurg@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> sean_murphy@quixote.wpd.sgi.com (Sean Murphy) writes:

>I'm the coach of a girls soccer team and am looking for information that
>I can relay to my players so their game improves. My main areas of concern
>are goalkeeping, our passing game, and basically ball control. If anyone
>could give me some pointers or recommend some helpful literature, I would
	you didn't mention the age group and league level.
	if <12, organized play is not there yet.
	if house league, just play for fun.
	your local library would have plenty of reference books.
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Manchester United vs Tottenham Hotspurs
Organization: Wits University
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 18:32:42 RSA

This weekend United take on Spurs at home. United are peaking at the
right time and they should be able to blow Spurs over. But, Spurs
should not be underestimated. They have been inconsistent but won
some big games when least expected. If United are not over-confident,
it should be 3 points in the bag for them.
 
Wake up Mr. Charlton, Mr. Best, Mr. Law, United are back !!
 
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From:  (Jacopo Andreose)
Subject: Risultati Serie A 10/1/93
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:02:24 GMT

I'm not planning to "steal" Marco Petroni's job, but for those who can't
wait til tomorrow:

Sampdoria   Juventus  1-1
(Lombardo)  (Moller)

Milan   Cagliari  1-0
(Papin)

Foggia   Inter  1-3
(?)     (Shalimov 2?)

Torino   Napoli  0-1
        (Policano)

Lazio     Brescia  2-0
(Signori 2)

Udinese  Fiorentina  4-0
(Branca 2 Balbo?)

Parma   Genoa  1-0
(Minotti)

Atalanta   Roma  2-1 (3-1?)

Pescara  Ancona 3-3

Hilsen, Jacopo

Jacopo Andreose | jacopo@pons.uio.no | +47-2-851252 |  Forza Milan! 
Inst of Neurophysiology, University of Oslo, Norway | Forza Venezia!
From: grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Only one great side these days
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:28:07
Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK.
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In article <frank.37.726821260@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au> frank@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au (Frank Savaglio) writes:


>
>   in awe at the unstoppable AC Milan of today. If you forget about the 
>   millions spent on this side and look at the football alone, you have to be 
>   impressed. They have gone for over a year UNDEFEATED. They have dominated 
>   the strongest (in terms of international calibre players) league in the 
>   world. It has been written that if this side could compete in the 
>   World Cup, it would be favoured to win. A look at their players roster reads 
>   like a who's who of modern football.
>

Yeh funny that. Spend grillions of pounds on the best players in the
world to get the best team in the world, and hey-presto, your
undefeated for a year. Really brings *excitement* into football
doesn't it. 

I geuss it's a pity Italy can't discover that all of the AC
Milan foriegn players have Italian grannies and get Milan to play
their national games ( actually , Milan could probably afford to buy
some Italian grannies for their stars !!!)

Same old story in many countries , the rich get richer, the poor get
poorer.

-grc.

ps. I hear Scotland are going to allow players who's grandparents are
Scottish to play for them ..... SAD SAD SAD. Where's it going to stop.

I can just hear it ...John `Never been to Scotland ever' Smith, who's
great granny's sister's dog once bit someone who had heard an 
Andy Williams record on the radio ... has been selected for Scotland.

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From: rich_b@sn4901.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool = Roman Empire
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: rich_b@sn4901.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz)
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors



Spock...


>Souness, your ancestor MACBETH (also a pretender) awaits you in Scotland !

No no no no no!!!!!
 
Macbeth was not an imposter, William Shakespeare's play was entertaining
but factually incorrect.  Macbeth was actually the GOOD GUY !

Richard
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From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:37:32 GMT

In article 23561@praxis.co.uk, colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.164159.21570@meiko.com> esp@meiko.co.uk writes:
>>
>>In article 7637@fwi.uva.nl, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>>> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>>> 
>>> >Hey guys,
>>> >Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two? 
>>> >Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"?
>>
>>Great idea!
>>
>>We could call the English newsgroup "Rec.football" and the other "Rec.pretenders"!!
>>
>>The English game is still the most entertaining, I don't care what anyone says!
>>
>>Steve
>>

I think splitting up the newsgroup is a VERY BAD idea. Football is truly international
and great games are not the prerogative of any one nation. I agree, though, that extensive discussions of issues in the fourth league of any nation can only be of
interest to very few and should be restricted to national posting only. Perhaps some people can exercise some restraint there. 

Gustaaf van Moorsel

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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: I've got an idea !!!
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:46:33 GMT


>>>>> "Curly" == Curly Howard (SM21128@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu)

Curly> So, if several football lovers like us telnet to one of those
Curly> servers at the same time, we will be able to have a good real
Curly> time football talk, which will be, I guess, much more
Curly> interesting than just replying to each other's messages in
Curly> "rec.sport.soccer".

Well, if you have IRC installed, just enter IRC and type "/join #soccer". 
That'll get you on the soccer channel, or create one if there is not
currently one. The problem, of course, is to get enough people there
to get something interesting going.

I've tried to create a soccer channel a few times, not I can't say it
has sparked much interest yet. One way to get more action is to do as
was done in the NeXT community at one point: use news to announce a
time and channel name in advance of a IRC meeting.

Curly> Also, imagine a situation: some kind soul in Europe watches an
Curly> interesting game (like EuroCups quarterfinal, for example) on
Curly> TV. He wants to help us, poor European-Americans and
Curly> American-Americans, who have no access to football on TV in the
Curly> US... We all (the kind soul and the poor us) get to the
Curly> server... and he tells us what's going on... what a nice live
Curly> report !!!

We had a pretty nice IRC setup duirng the US presidental elections,
with people following various local and regional newscasts reporting.
There where ~1000 people hanging in, so it can work.

/Lars
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:14:16 GMT

In article 9329@meiko.com, esp@meiko.co.uk  () writes:

>One of the saddest moments in football in recent years was when Aldershot folded. That day a few thousand people in Aldershot had their hearts broken. I wonder if any of the Liverpool or Leeds fans living in Aldershot, who never bothered watching their local team because they were in the 4th division, (and where was the pride in that??), felt guilty, I hope so!!!!
>

Thing is Aldershot were not the first club to go this way, and the sad thing is they
won't be the last. Remember Newport County? They were wiped out, although Newport AFC
now exist, it isn't quite the same.

I suggest that the reason why clubs like this are struggling is not so much lack
of support, as they have the same support now that they always did, give or take.
The real problem here is that the game is being taken over by money. It is becoming
a cut throat business where clubs have to make a profit to survive. None of the
accountants give a shit about the fans, the smaller clubs or anyone else.
Soon we are going to see the end of terracing! My beloved Kop will be seated, what
then. Where are all those twenty thousand people that fill the Kop at Hillsborough
going to go? Does anyone give a shit about the fact that 20,000 people prefer to
stand, and want terracing to remain? No. What a shameful way to treat fans who have
loyally supported the clubs for years and years. I bet if you ask all the people on
the Kop at Hillsborough, Liverpool, or anywhere else who chooses to stand whether
terracing should be kept and almost all of them will state that they wan't terracing
to remain. This is the real tradegy in football. That accountant bods and MP's who
have no real interest in the game, make decisions involving fans whose views are
not even given the slightest consideration. This for me STINKS. Even more fans
will get turned away as more and more greed pours into the game.


>Support Your LOCAL team!!!!
>

What are your views on closet fans. People who support a team and then have to
move away and continue to support their old team. For example I am a closet Owl.
From Sheffield, support the Owls and then move away and continue to support the
club. Should I support Bristol City??? I think not!



---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
From: math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Douglas luo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: kick back to the keeper
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:22 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <9301052143.AA06816@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes...
>In it's infinite wisdom, the NCAA decided that the implementation of
>the backpass rule (which all other countries implemented last July)
>would be too much of a hardship for the college coaches to train their
>players.
> 
>Give me a break, this is not rocket science here.
> 
>Apparently, the NCAA will comply _next_ season.

Can anyone explain how this backpass rule works? What's the penalty?
Thanks.

Doug

SOMETIMES I THINK I LEARN MORE IF I CLOSE ALL MY BOOKS.
From: ayari@bellieni.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Main Results in French League
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:27:20 GMT
Organization: Crin-Inria-Lorraine

Here are the main results of the french league (yesterday 9/1/93)


  Monaco - Auxerre 4-0 (4 goals of Klinsmann)
  Marseille - Toulon 5-2 (3 goals of Voeller)
  Nantes - Lyon 1-0 (1 goal of Oueddec)
  Sochaux - Paris SG 1-3
  Montpellier - Toulouse 0-1
  Caen - Lille 4-3
  Lens - Nimes 0-0
  Bordeaux - Le Havre 3-0
  Strasboug - Valenciennes 0-0
  St Etienne - Metz (Postponed to today: FOG)

Ranking:

 1. Monaco         X
 2. Nantes         X
 3. Marseille      X-1
 4. Paris SG
 5. Auxerre
 6. Bordeaux

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From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Barnes should move on !
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:12:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

Barnes should go approximately Thursday - i.e. before Wolves kill them
all the Liverpool scum. 

Along the lines of Liverpool being beaten - I was there when Coventry
won 5-1 a few weeks ago. I`ll say it again, 5-1
5-1
5-1
5-1

A vaguely serious comment now - The problem with Liverpool was that they
refused to tackle anyone and Rush is passed it up front. Blame it on Souness
is what I say, given a choice between playing Rush or Saunders he chose Rush.


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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: WC Qualifier Result Wanted (Cyp v Bel)
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:29:41 GMT

andries@slc10 (Marc Andries) writes:

>rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>>andries@slc10 (Marc Andries) writes:

>>>This confusion is due to a typo in some american Soccer Magazine.
>>>The match is (and has always been) scheduled for February 14th.
>>
>>List were distributed internationally showing a fixture of January 2nd.
>>My list, that I got from a Danish newspaper, shows that date.

>If you're so sure that your Danish newspaper know better than my Belgian one,
>why don't you post the result then 8-) ?

You claimed that the confusion were due to a typo in an american soccer 
magazine. That is hardly correct when the error showed up in danish
newspapers as well. It's more likely that Belgium made some rescheduling
after the international FIFA release of fixtures.

The result? Cyprus - Belgium 5-0.
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Liverpool = Roman Empire
Organization: Wits University
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 22:52:35 RSA

In the days of Ceasar, the Roman Empire was so strong and nobody could have
believed that it would ever be crushed. After it was crushed, it never
ever rose again.
 
So, what made all the Liverpudians out there think that the Liverpool
empire would never be crushed. Not is it only coming to ruins, but one
wonders if it will ever rise again.
 
There is only one hope for them. Get RID of BRUTUS (Souness) and reinstate
CEASAR (Keegan, Dalglish ?). If not, Liverpool will have to change their
anthem from YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONEto YOU'LL ALWAYS WALK ALONE.
 
Souness, your ancestor MACBETH (also a pretender) awaits you in Scotland !
 
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From: lupkeen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lup Keen Ng)
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 06:44:47 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.184211.8648@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
 ...
>Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two? 
>Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"? ...

Good idea!!!  With the split, those ardent english soccer fans (like
me) no longer need to sieve out all the english league news from the
pile of mailings in the newsgroup.

More support for the proposal, please!

-- Lup

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From: bjpc@engin.umich.edu (Brian Jeffrey Cook)
Subject: AYSO and the destruction of american soccer
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:11:32 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

i saw some information posted about american youth soccer.
well i thought i would throw in my two cents.

many leagues have subscribed to the AYSO way of thinking.
everybody plays an equal amount, no matter how good the player is.
this defeats the beauty of competition.  kids do not have ambition
to get better cause they know that AYSO is going to get them
nowhere.

i graduated from this system and i can testify that is sucks.
i started playing at age 5 and did not hit a real competitive
league until i was about 14.  that is 7 years of wasted play.
i did enjoy myself a bit, but competition was frowned upon.
it was not good for the team.  unfortunatly this system is still
in use in many in-house leagues and it stifles competition and
the drive to get better.

for america to get real soccer, we must throw out the AYSO system of
thinking and get real players!!!!!!!

just my thoughts.....bjpc

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From: skip@sloth.nrl.navy.mil (Skip Kovacs)
Subject: Re: Coaching Help
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:38:35 GMT

In article <ujqcurg@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> sean_murphy@quixote.wpd.sgi.com (Sean  
Murphy) writes:
> I'm the coach of a girls soccer team and am looking for information that
> I can relay to my players so their game improves. My main areas of concern
> are goalkeeping, our passing game, and basically ball control. If anyone
> could give me some pointers or recommend some helpful literature, I would

(My apologies to the group, my host can't find Sean's host via email). . .
I assume from your questions that your team's age group and skill level are  
still fairly low (e.g. recreational league, under 12, or below).  The NYSCA  
(Nat'l Youth Sports Coaches Assoc.) has a newsletter where they sell a series  
of 4 books called the "FUNdementals of Soccer," which I've found are quite  
good, though they look deceptively simplistic at first glance.  If you don't  
know the NYSCA, check the local baseball and basketball leagues -- they have  
stronger programs in these sports, and a coach who belongs could get you a copy  
of the newsletter.  The USSF/NSCAA (Nat'l Soccer Coaches Assoc of Am(?)) also  
has a very good intro-midlevel text (a big blue soft cover book (8x10 by  
140+pages).  If you don't belong check the local competitive soccer leagues  
(also called "select" or "travelling team" leagues), they'll know who to  
contact in your area.  Finally, these organizations hold coaching classes --  
local/state organizations give USSF sanctioned classes for "F" thru "D" level  
coaching licenses, while the USSF itself conducts the "C" thru "A" classes.  My  
current favorite text is "Practical Soccer Tactics" a small black softcover  
book. I picked up my copy in Menlo Park while on a trip there, (I live near  
Wash, DC), which I assume is near you (<sgi.com> in Silicon Valley?).  Sorry I  
can't give authors and exact titles, all my books are at home.

Good luck, if you're like me you're starting one of the most  
rewarding/frustrating experiences of your life!
skip kovacs
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From: noliveira@mta.ca (Nelson Oliveira)
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR WORLD CUP GAMES ENDING IN TIES
Reply-To: noliveira@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:23:04 GMT

In article <C0MLDu.218@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala) writes:
>>>The penalty kick procedure used to end tie games during the World Cup is, in
>>>my opinion, a poor solution to the problem. Here is my alternative to breaking
>>>ties. At the end of regulation make both sides play with only nine players for
>>>some period of time, maybe 10 minutes. If the game is still tied 1 more player
>>>would be pulled from each side every five or ten minutes. With such an
>>>approach at least the game would be determined on the field. Anyone who has
>>>played soccer realizes fewer players on the same size pitch opens up the game.  previous
>>>World Cup had too many teams trying to play to play to a scoreless tie in
>>>order to take their chances with penalty kicks. Any other alterantives?
>
>  Penalty kicks can be a lousy way to end a game but decreasing players all the
>way down is not IMHO a plausible solution. First, after playing so many minutes
>it would be ludicrous to ask players to play, say, 6 v 6 on a full field. That
>would be way too much for even top-flight players. Second, it would make a 
>farce of the game to have a six players jogging around with their tongues
>hanging out trying to decide a cup final. Just picture it in your mind with
>100,000 spectators in the World Cup.
>  No, I don't have the perfect solution. I'm sure someone would have thought
>of it first.  Perhaps the following: 1) continue with the rule changes that
>increase scoring and that _may_ alleviate the problem of ties a bit (I know,
>each team can score equally as much but see next part). 2) Increase
>the length of overtimes slightly. With a bit more scoring, as teams get
>physically and mentally tired in the (now longer) overtimes, the
>probability of the tie being broken is greater. Note that when I mention
>increasing scoring I DON'T mean 7-10 goals per game, just a higher average 
>in the range of 3.5-4 goals per game.
>-- 
>
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	I don't know if a higher goal average will reduce the occurance of ties
in World Cup games.  I'm partial to the idea someone posted here a little while
ago about a striker, starting from the halfway line, and having 10 seconds to 
get past the GK and score a goal.  Another idea, more plausible but creating a
hell of a lot of problems in scheduling and financially, would be a replay of 
that game.  This will never happen in MY lifetime, but it beats the penalty 
kicks by a mile.

Later,

	Nelson

Escapee from the infamous Triangle....