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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Ronnie Lott
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:09:44 GMT

From article <27000095@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, by boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell):
> Lott is still a Raider.  He recovered a fumble sunday.

Which Sunday would that be?  I never saw it against the Bengals.
Lott's only notable appearance was getting a major stiff arm to the
face from Harold Green on his way to the endzone.


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From: ae935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jon Waler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Offensive & Defensive Players of the Week for week 1?
Date: 13 Sep 1992 03:27:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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They were Chip Banks and John Elway.............


Jw
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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Colts starter vs Houston
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:31:18 GMT

statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:



|>     There is still guarded optimism that Jeff George will be ready to go this  
|>Sunday, but the likely starter will be pre-season holdout Jack Trudeau.  Jack  
|>has been going through some intensive workouts since his signing so that he  
|>would be ready to go against Houston.  There were even jokes right before the  
|>final pre-season game that the Colts got a bigger plane for the flight to KC so  
|>Jack could throw during the flight!  According to the Indy Star, the decision  
|>to cut Herrmann was made before the Cleveland game no matter what the results  
|>of the game were.  The reasoning behind the decision was primarily the age  
|>factor.  Herrmann is 33, Tupa is 26, Trudeau is 30, George is around 25 or 26.   
|>Marchibroda sees Tupa as the "second string quarterback of the future,"  
|>George's back-up after Trudeau is gone.  I think Herrmann had reached his  
|>potential anyway, I think Tupa still has room to get better.  I think the Colts  
|>made a good decision in cutting Herrmann and keeping Tupa.  

Agreed, but has Jack Trudeau looked that good ? I never remember him
looking that great...
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From: micss@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Stephen Mickio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:06:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Sep8.183040.12666@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg) writes:
> 
>         I'm really suprise  that I didn't see this discussion yet.  If you saw 
> last nights game it is clear that the NFL needs instant replay back.  Not only
> did the ref blow the call he screwed it up twice.  First of all, it was not
> caught it was a trap.  And secondly, if  (a big if) it was caught  he was
> certainly down  on contact.  Not only did this play give the Skins the much
> needed momemtum  switch it also gave them a touchdown.  I do agree that replay
> takes way too much time, but  I think it is a great addition to the game.
> 
> 
>          I do however think that the NFL should do this allow each team to have
> two calls looked at per half.  It must be a reasonable play so that they cannot
> use them as time outs.  Also to avoid this only allow two time outs per team
> per half.
> 
> What do you all think?
> -Brian

Well Brian, YES the officials did make a mistake.  One that DID end up in the
Redskins scoring their only TD of the game, BUT wasn't it nice to see a play
and not worry that you would see it 10 times as the idiots in some box
replayed it and watched over and over again only to say "After further 
review, the play stands as called."??

I am a strong supporter against the Instant Replay.  I think the officials are
much happier without it and their calls show it.  The game also moved much 
better (or as good as it could go with the 3 stuges anouncing it) without it.

One idea if the feel they MUST have it would be to adopt the USFL ruling. 
Each team can ask for a review of a play, (as many as they want to ask for
upto 3)
per game.  The only drawback is that if they are wrong (ie correct call is 
made on the field) then they loose 1 (one) timeout. This would get rid
of the useless dead times of a game when they check a call and put some
pressure on the coaches to make a quick decision if they want to check it.
It also allows the league to only have 1 (one) official up in the box to
make the calls instead of two.  

Now, I know this may give many of you all ideas to slow the game or whatever
but it worked for the time the USFL was playing.  Not many coaches bitched
about bad calls, the officials were happy with it and the players also
liked it.  The only problem with this, is the NFL would *NEVER* think of
using something that worked in the USFL because it was the USFL.  Doesn't
matter if it would be the right decission or not!!

Any responces may be posted or mailed to me at micss@mentor.cc.purdue.edu


Thanks for reading:-)

Scott   
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills 34 Niners 31 - Final!
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:39:58 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <BuJHpI.H41@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>YES!!!!
>
>I'm just about going into cardiac arrest here! What a game!
>
>Wow!
>
>I have nothing intelligent to report here, because I'm coming out
>of my skin. The only thing that can be said for Buffalo is that 
>the defense made a few big plays when the really needed them.
>
>So much for stats! What an incredible performance by two of the
>best teams in the NFL!
>
>Niner's fans, I think you guys are going to the SB again this
>year. I hope it's a Bills-Niners rematch.

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>Yow! I think I need to go drink a case of beer to calm me down.
>
>:)
>
>Doug

On the our local T.V. post game interview, Levy stated his
team was FORTUNATE to win this game.  He was not cocky and
he earns my respect.  It could have gone either way.

Sherrard stated in his interview that a fumble and INT was
the turning point.  He stated you cannot make too many
mistakes against a great team like the Bills. Major
understatement.

Thurman Thomas did it all, he ran and he caught the ball.  
The only surprise, IMHO, was T.E. Metzelaars. Of course,
the WRs did a great job for the Bills as well.

I have lost my appetite, at least for the moment. :-)
See YA in the SB Bills!!!
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: Re: COME BACK, BILL PARCELLS !!!!!!!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:18:37 GMT
Summary: I think you're dreamin'...

In article <25044@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
> 
>     What do my fellow Giants true believers think of the possibility
> of Bill returning? 

Well, I'm no Giant fan, but in following them closely as I do
it would seem to me that Parcell's health is the major obstacle.
Earlier this year he had a triple-bypass (or something like it),
and coaching a pro football team in NYC is not exactly what the
doctor orders for post-heart surgery patients.

Then again, if the $ offered was exorbitant enough...


But at this point I'd bet against it.  If/when Handley goes,
it will probably be someone other than Parcells that
replaces him.  And at this point it would be anybody's guess as to who.


Dick V.
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From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle)
Subject: Is unsportsmanlike conduct okay? (was Re: taunting for 15)
Organization: The Gifted and the Damned
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:38:09 GMT
Keywords: NOT



Real taunting, to the extent that it's unsportsmanlike, is a penalty.  QED.
Give 'em 15 yards.

The problem, as I see it, is the subjective nature of the call.  If it is
consistant, then it's not such a big deal.  But the arbitrary nature makes
it a problem.  Did Tim Harris get a warning when he first pulled out his
``six guns'', or is it more or less random when one will be called for this
sort of thing?  Just what did Greg Jackson say to Rice?  (I didn't see 
exactly what he was called for...)

Now, it makes no difference whatsoever whether taughting an opponent is an
"effective" tactic or not--intentionally crippling an opponent after the
play is effective, but neither legal nor sportsmanlike.  End of discussion.

But I do think that you have to let the players play, and this includes a
certain amount of verbal intimidation or gesturing.  Celebrating should be
allowed, but the kind of ``celebrating'' that's in somebody's face and
amounts to a "fuck you" should be discouraged.

Unfortunatly, this amounts to giving the zebras the same power as former
Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, when he defined pornography only in
as much as, ``I know it when I see it.''

I imagine most everybody is against the NFL becoming the No Fun League.
The issue is where does fun, or the legitimate psyching out of an opponent,
turn into unsportsmanlike conduct (which only pro wrestling fans, and the
Raiders, would defend ;^).

-timr

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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:44:15 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <6SEP199219273412@zeus.tamu.edu> mcs4041@zeus.tamu.edu (SHARAT SHEKHAR) writes:
>
>	is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!
>
>	How the fuck could a team that won a superbowl 2 seasons ago (and that
>goal line defense that stuffed the niners at the 1 yd line was a reminder) end
>up in this sort of fucking mess .............
>

Sure, age! Did you see how LT was man-handled all day. Or when they let him
go, Steve Young just ran around him and got outside? Excepting that one
Giant lineman (think his name was Howard), the rest of the giants defensive
line and linebackers played pretty poorly. Luckily for the giants, Jerry
Rice was so rusty that his penalities whiped out his TD and a 50 yard pass
to Taylor. Haily shot the 49ers defense in the foot too, getting several
calls against him for lack of brains (offside on a punt that gave the
Giants a 1st down & resulted eventually in a Giant TD). Then he was called
for having too much fun after sacking Simms and gave up a 15 yard penalty.

Despite winning the 49ers looked rough and the giants looked old and slow.

What I want to know is did anyone think the 49ers would have a running back
who could gain a 100+ yards on the ground against the vaunted Giants defense?
Wow!!!! Way to go Waters.


Tom Wolf




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From: jimp@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Jim Piercy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.arts.tv
Subject: TNT NFL Announcer?
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:16:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster


Two questions:

1)  What is the name of TNT's NFL color commentator?

2)  How can I write to him? (I think he could use some help.)

Thank you,
Jim P
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:17:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <steph.716500748@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:

>In <1992Sep14.051623.25209@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:

>>In article <d9xndga.mzimmers@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>>3. Montana makes that last drive work.

>>    Bono would do the job too.  At least not be intecpected in critical
>>    moments.

>Over 400 yards, no punts, and a single interception, and the refrain is still
>"Montona would have done it.  Bono would have done it."  Those two never
>threw any interceptions?
>
>If you're so unhappy with Young, why don't you send him to Seattle?  (Send
>some other players while you're at it -- Seattle needs lots of help.)

My remark was not intended as a slight of Young (I've been one of his
few supporters on the net).  I was just pointing out that that final
drive was tailor-made for Joe.
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From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: Re: Quarterback Ratings 
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Distribution: york
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.152548.6564@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
>
>
>   If anyone knows how to calculate the quaterback ratings, can you please reply to me at cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca
>
>                      Thanks, Shawn
I would also be very interested in how to compute these.  Maybe a post?

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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE STEELERS
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:52:55 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <BuC29z.Mrn@andy.bgsu.edu>, jsoderg@andy.bgsu.edu (jeff sodergren) writes:
>
>	I was worried when Noll retired, but it seems the Steelers found
>themselves a good one in Cowher.  What did you all think of that fake punt?  That
>wasn't in Noll's playbook, that's for sure.  
>
>	I'm glad that Bubby took a seat also.  He's an overrated mouthy brat who
>doesn't back up his boasts on the field where it counts.

It's early days yet and we cannot be so sure . One thing
to come out of this excellent victory over the Oilers will
be that the fan pressure will mount and next week they will
expect the Steelers to thrash the Jets. Let's face it.
All coaches need time to put together a "team of their own".
So let's wait and see what his plans are and hope for the best.
Again, congrats to Steeler fans on the victory.

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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:46:27 GMT

In <b#vn20p.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>Well, if many of the egotistical owners find themselves losing games on
>bad officiating, or see gate receipts suffer because of it, they will
>reinstate it.  As it is, I don't believe it to be fair.

Just another thought....

I guess not many of you r.s.f.p readers follow international soccer.
During the last World Cup there was a HUGE controversy about decisions
of the referee and especially linesmen in off-sides situations.
But NOBODY (that I ever heard of) asked for instant replay rule.
And off-sides is VERY easy to see on TV.

The suggestions were on the line of better officals' training etc.


P.S. Off-sides decisions CAN easily decide the winner of the game in soccer...
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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:00:14 GMT

In article <BuBLy4.JFB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>Why is it that when people talk about the cut-back running of Smith,
>they have to compare him to Sanders, who  did NOT invent the damn
>style.  (Anyone remember Sayers or Marcus Allen?)
>
>All in all, it's real tiresome to hear Sanders as some kind of
>measuring stick.  I listened to the Bears/Lions game, and one of the
>announcers said, "There's no one else in the league that can run like
>that" as we watched Barry elude several tacklers and carry a couple
>for more yards.  give me a break.  Hyperbole gets tiresome even  in
>football announcing.
>
>Give Emmitt his due--he's as good as Sanders and deserves his own
>measuring stick.  I think Emmitt will outgain Sanders AGAIN this year.
>
>Gary Beason
>bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu

 But the Cowboys will lose again so what's more important!!!
   
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Subject: Re: taunting for 15
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:26:26 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
 <1992Sep9.143204.20357@PacBell.COM> <1992Sep9.101600@mccall.com> <1992Sep9.204503.19571@PacBell.COM>
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
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In article <1992Sep9.204503.19571@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>I guess you and I are at opposite ends on this topic.  I guess it depends
>on how you were raised and what you learned in your formative years as a young
>kid.  To me, taunting is natural.  It intimadates some people so much that
>their play diminishes. It is also a form of one upmanship in verbal street
>talk.  It is not for everyone.  NOTE:  have you seen the Spike Lee T.V.
>commerical of  two teams (young black men and white men) playing basketball?
>It is a lesson on getting along a people, but the ad starts off with some
>major name calling.  If you saw the movie "White Men Can't Jump", then
>you will know exactly what I am talking about.  I just believe in "trash
>talking" if you can back it up (Remember Ali?).  I can guarantee you, if
>I was playing against you and I picked up and the fact that you didn't
>like being taunted, then I would be at you non-stop.  If it resulted in
>a fight, then I would back it up, irregardless of the outcome.

Then we're at opposite ends on this topic.  I was raised around taunting
(my high school band played "Another one bites the dust" at a football
game after the opponent's player got hurt).  But I also remember seeing
football where players didn't taunt.  

If you want to taunt me, fine.  But then it tells me that you can't
beat me on your skills alone and need another way to try to win.  

I was told a story about "trash talking" at the Venice Beach(LA)
bball courts.  One guy left and returned with a baseball bat and
beat up the other guy.   So is that part of the game?  It diminished
his play.
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From: platkus@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Does no Instant Replay mean no Announcer Review?
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:57:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>not.  But, I would appreciate it if the networks were not deciding whether
>to discuss a questionable call based on the possibility of offending the
>NFL owners who decided to do away with I-R.

>my $.02

>Bryan Cooper,  cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu

>ps. peace


Good point!  But there is another thing to be considered here.  Without the
instant reply officials reviewing the play, there usually isn't enough time
for the networks to show a replay.  I've really noticed the the replays are
of poorer quality than last year.  One can easily tell that they are rushed to
even get it in, and its usually not the whole play.  
Like yesterday during the 49er Bills game, when (I don't know many details
becase the replay was so short) one of the Bills caught a pass and then 
fumbled when he was hit.  A 49er picked it up, and took 3 or 4 hits, and there
was an awesome block thrown by a 49er defender, but all the replay showed was
the fumble and the pickup.  Nobody even commented on all of the great stuff 
after the recovery.

I say they need to find some way to get more time for IR on TV whether or not
the have IR in the NFL.


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From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Subject: Re: Who has got the toughest schedule - a repost.
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:38:57 GMT

In article <00960680.781019A0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>Here is a statistical help at figuring out which team has
>'suffered' the most from the draw.
>
>Based on the 1991 results of NON DIVISIONAL OPPONENTS
>-----------------------------------------------------
>
>Team		in '91		Opp.rec		%
>
>  Detroit	11-5		73-55		0.570

Didn't Detroit go 12-4 in regular season? Then they beat Dallas and lost to the
'skins. So wouldn't their record be 13-5 instead of 11-5? Am I missing something here?


Parag
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>N.Ramasubramanian    GO BREWERS - BULLS -93  - HAIL 'SKINS
>
>Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
>They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
>		- Jonathan Miller
>************************************************************


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