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From: taco@flipper.csd.harris.com (Pablo Fumero)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Love birds
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:45:58 GMT
Reply-To: taco@flipper.csd.harris.com (Pablo Fumero)
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Div., Ft. Lauderdale, FL

In article <rsv6aINNot1@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller) writes:
|> In article <167C2ADC9.D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:

|> >Has anyone had any luck teaching love birds to talk?
|> 
|> Forget it.  I have a book, Taming and Training Lovebirds, by an expert on
|> lovebirds, and she says she's never met a lovebird who knew more than 2
|> words.  THey are cute, busy, build lovely nests, are higly social, but they
|> aren't up on the learning foreign languages bit.  Sorry.

I'm no expert or read a book about love birds. However, I have noted
a few things about "el loco", my love bird. He was placed with a 
grey cockateel (koky) for about 3 months when he emerged from his
nest as a youngster. Koky talks whistles and is very friendly with 
everyone, even strangers.

El loco now mimics koky in vocabulary, not as clearly though, and
whistles koky's tune (the popeye song), etc. This says several things
to me:

1. be skeptical of everything that you read
2. everyone wishes to be counted as an expert
3. love birds can learn some things
4. birds pick up behaviour from other birds

It is noteworthy to mention that I did not intend to teach "el loco"
anything. All I require of him/her is to be friendly, tolerate
koky and dayly handling. He's been doing fine. Good luck!

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Need Goffin Advice
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:13:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.023922.8918@novell.com>, chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
> 
> My wife and I just gave up our 5 month-old African Grey (Congo).
> He was simply too much to handle (no pun intended).  Although
> my wife helped raise him, he was overly aggressive (biting), and
> was extremely hand-shy.  He was this way since we picked him as
> a hatchling, but we were assured he would "grow out of it."  Needless
> to say, he never did. 

Of course he never grew out of it!  He was only five months old.
From: billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:57:42 GMT
Subject: Help!  Feather Problem
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


A week or two ago, someone posted some information about a 
medicine (or vitaman) to help promote feather growth.
Something to help diseased or vitaman deficient birds.

Unfortunatly the note dissapeared before I had a chance to
print it out.

Could whoever posted it either re-post it or email it to me.

Actually, If anyone has anything on the subject, I would
appreciate it.

Bill Claussen
From: suem@pollux.Berkeley.EDU (Sue Meredith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Congo grey chewing
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:27:21 GMT
Reply-To: rec.pets.birds
Followup-To: news@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov


My Grey also loves to keep his beak busy!  He seems to have
an obsession with plastic.  He really enjoys pen caps, or
empty pens (take the ink cartridge out).  He loves these
more than any store bought toy.

Another favorite of his, once he got over his fear of it,
is a baby teething ring.  We got one of the big white
rings with several colored rings attached.

The Bird Talk subscription cards are also fun to shred;
warning, this is a bit messy!

Try some of these things - let me know how he likes them.

Susan

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From: hustler@u.washington.edu (Donald Heisler)
Subject: Re: transporting birds
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:07:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.024602.18428@uwm.edu>, rcuhel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Russell L Cuhel) writes:
> 
> From article <1992Apr7.204441.19609@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, by vaughn@cs.washington.edu (Vaughn Iverson):
> > In article <1992Apr6.120841.14166@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM) writes:
> >>If anyone has any experience or knowledge about the advisability 
> >>of transporting a pet bird cross country, I'd appreciate hearing from
> >>you.  And if it can be done with a high chance of success, I'd like
> >>to know that, too.
> >>Since I haven't been getting on the net very often lately, please send
> >>email if you can.  I'll still get it if you post, but it might be a while.
> 

My wife and I purchased a few Paraketes about 3 months ago.  We lived in Seattle
and when my little sister came to visit, she loved them so much she said
she wanted one.  Well, the quality of birds (paraketes) in Walla Walla was
something to be desired, so we bought one in Seattle to take to her.  The
bird was still only a few months old and was very tame when we bought it.  We
also purchased some pills for the bird.  The people at the pet store said
that it would calm the bird down and that it was somewhat of an antibiodic.  
Well, the bird survived the 5 hour trip quit nicely.  We also wrapped the cage
will with a blanket.  The bird absolutely loved the ride.  He even started
to sing for the first time!!!!  Well, all was well until we hit a cornter just
a little to fast and the cage went wild in the back seat.  The only damage
though was bird seed between the seats.  The bird also wanted to get out of
the cage, but being a new car, Paraketes crap everywhere etc. we kept it
inside.  Anyway, the bird is still healthy and happy and any other!


DON
From: sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edith Jeffreys)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: birds in walmart
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:35:35 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1170

hi. i was recently in a woolworth's picking up a few odds and ends
and looked into the pet section. i was surprised to see a whole bunch
of sad looking birds in 4 or 5 cages.  i was in a walmart a coupla
days after that and decided to take a look into their pet section
as well.  same thing there.

i dont do a lot of shopping.  i have a list when i go so i rarely
stray off into other areas of stores.  i thought stores like these
two had stopped carrying animals and birds, and if they sold anything
living it was usually fish.  well, to get to my point, i have been
reading this newsgroup because i am really fond of animals and birds
and ive learned alot about birds from here.  it seems to me that
the birds in these places could not possibly be getting the care
and attention they require.

is this assumption wrong?  if not are there efforts to get general
merchandise stores to stop carrying birds or other animals?



-- 
Edie Jeffreys            The fact is, no matter how closely I study it
SAS Institute, Inc.      No matter how I take it apart
SAS Circle, Cary, NC     No matter how i break it down
(919)677-8000 x6946      It remains consistent.  -- Belew
From: joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: transporting birds
Keywords: 2-day drive, canary
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:08:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, IL

I'll be moving from Illinois to Colorado within a month or two.  I'd
really like to take my canary with me but I'd rather leave him behind
with a new family than jeopardize his life.  I've heard from a couple
of pet shop owners that I've asked that the chances of him making it
by either car (if I drive) or plane (if I fly) are only about 50/50.
I do know that the mortality rate of wild birds is extremely high,
but this bird has never been wild and is 4 years old, maybe 5.

If anyone has any experience or knowledge about the advisability 
of transporting a pet bird cross country, I'd appreciate hearing from
you.  And if it can be done with a high chance of success, I'd like
to know that, too.

Since I haven't been getting on the net very often lately, please send
email if you can.  I'll still get it if you post, but it might be a while.

Thanks.
	Joy Metcalf
	att!ihlpy!joi
From: Doris.Marsh@f501.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Doris Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Red lored amazon
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:56:00 GMT

SM> I have a Red Lored Amazon and a Congo African Grey.  I've
SM> also heard the Red Lored called a Yellow Cheeked,and he
SM> does have a lilac crown, but I'm not sure if he is the same
SM> as a Lilac Crown.

Hi Sue;

        I also have a Red Lored Amazon acquired from a pet shop
after being placed there by a newly married man whose wife
objected to the presence of the bird after their marriage.
Frankly, I think the husband should have shown the wife the
door and kept the bird.  At any rate, there is are two distinct
birds; the Red Lored and the Lilac Crown.  Both are beautiful
birds.  The Lilac Crown doesn't have the yellow on the face
like the Red Lored.  My domestically bred bird is also very
loving, much more so than my two Yellow Nape Amazons.  Take
care, Doris

 * SLMR 2.1 * Birds Say, "Always Keep Your Pecker Up!"


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Thanks for Goffin Advice
Summary: We got a citron-crested instead
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:27:44 GMT

Thanks to everyone who gave their advice and opinions on
Goffin cockatoos.  We ended up going with a citron-crested
instead.  She's (we think she's a "she") a beautiful bird
with a sweet personality and a good appetite.  She gets her
vet-check on Saturday, so we might get her sexed then.

Thanks again for all the help!


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Scanned Bird Gifs
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:24:29 GMT

In article <shqquINNvm@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Does any one out there own a Lesser-Sulphur Crested Cockatoo if so can
>you give me some helpful advice??

We have an 8-9 month old citron-crested cockatoo that's been home all
of one week.

>Here is the scenerio we have been thru....
>
>My wife and I have been looking to get a cockatoo and we had two Lesser
>Sulphur Crested Cockatoos in mind. One was only 4 weeks old w/ a price
>tag of $1500, which we felt was rather expensive, we continued our
>search and found one which was just about a year old but half the
>price! The second bird had a slight drawback in the sense that it
>wasn't a hand fed baby, but it seemed very friendly and took a liken to
>us immediately!  We decided that due to our finances, we went with the
>$750 one. I had boughten a cockatiel of these people five years ago and
>had great luck with it so we figured that this bird was cared for in
>the same manner. I hope!!  Looking for help w/the following
>questions....or advice..
>
>-I've heard that there are pro's & con's  owning a hand-reared verses
> a non-hand reared bird? 

Not all hand-fed/raised birds are good pets.  We had a congo grey that,
while it was hand-fed, was not "pet" material.

> - Are they able to talk?

I've heard they can -- not too much, but somewhat.

>  -How is there demeanor? 

Our citron is an absolute joy.  She lets you know when she doesn't like
something with a gentle "mouthing."

> - How are they around kids? 

We have a three-year-old daughter.  Our cockatoo "tolerates" her much
better than our senegal parrot.  The breeder/dealer we bought from
recommended citrons/less-sulphers for people with kids.  We're making our
daughter a part of the handling process, so as to reduce potential
conflicts.

> - Are they easily trainable?

They're supposed to be quite good.  I guess it all depends on what you're
trying to teach them.

>-Our bird tends to want to go back to its cage if put on the floor to
>play, is this common or due to the fact that the surroundings around
>him are new and the cage is his sense of security for the mean time
>only???

That seems common with a lot of new birds.  Try covering the cage when
they're out of it.  Also, try to separate them from the cage (move them
to another room if they're out of quarantine).

>Any input or experience with this breed of Cockatoo would be
>very much appreciated.

I think you'll be quite happy with your bird -- we absolutely love ours.


>Joe
>
>Phone:  508-250-6599 Lowell Mass.


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: birds in walmart
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:02:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultra.1992Apr15.200248.2720
Reply-To: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In article <1992Apr14.124850.954@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
=>In article <1992Apr14.024257.14916@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, hubler@galaxy.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler) writes:
=>> In article <1992Apr13.215328.12228@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> bkelley@pms704.pms.ford.com (Brian Kelley) writes:
=>>>In article <1992Apr13.162448.17766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino) writes:
=>>>>In article <1992Apr10.183535.181@unx.sas.com> sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edith
=>>>> Jeffreys) writes:
=>>>>     I am appalled at this practice.
=>>>
=>>>It is very depressing.  I generally avoid the bird sections at those types
=>>>of stores :-(
=>>>
=>>>>What do you guys think?
=>>>
=>>>Initially, I didn't have any good ideas on how to improve this situation.
=>>>However, I just thought of something that just might help.  How about
=>>>some paper stickers (the kind that really don't like to come off) which
=>>>read something like 
=>>>"BOYCOTT POORLY TREATED MASS MERCHANDISED BIRDS - BUY DIRECT FROM BREEDERS
=>>>AND PET STORES!"
=>>>
=>
=>I have a problem with this, I'd take off the pet store part.  ARound here,
=>the worst offenders are the Doctor's Pet Stores.  Their birds are in much
=>worse shape than any of the discount places.  
=>

Just as there are bad people, there are bad pet stores *and* bad breeders.
There are some breeders that run "puppy mill" types of operations, while there
are pet shops that only deal with reputable breeders.

My advice is to know your source.  If you are buying from a breeder, visit
the facility.  If you are buying from a Pet Shop, get to know the owner, and
find out where the birds come from.

BTW, as far as Doctor's Pet Stores are concerned, I'd place them in the
"Mass Merchandise" department.  These stores are usually located in shopping
malls, and hence must have high volume in order to sustain the high cost of
the overhead associated with being located in a mall (mall leases aren't
cheap (cheep)).

As an aside, I would suggest becoming friends with a reputable pet shop owner
that deals extensively with birds.  I've become very good friends with a bird
shop owner, and on numerous occasions she has provided me with advice, 
knowledge, and experience.  Besides, I get first shot at any new bird toys,
and get a discount :^).
-- 
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  jeffj@ultra.com   |     101 Daggett Drive      |   fax: (408) 433-9287
...ames!ultra!jeffj |    San Jose, CA  95134     |   sex: (900) 976-4825
 The difference between ignorance and apathy?  I don't know and I don't care
From: smithj@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Looking for list of British bird magazines
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:58:11 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.


I am looking for a list of British magazines about pet birds,
especially parrots.

Please email and I'll summarize to the net.


-- 
Jeremy |-) Smith	The Tao of Wayne and Garth: "Way!"
From: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: SICK ECLECTUS
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Organization: vitalink communication corp an nsc company

HELLO AGAIN - 
I PICKED UP MY NEW ECLECTUS ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND HE HAS ALREADY WON
MY HEART. HE IS SO GENTLE AND SWEET. I TOOK HIM IN FOR HIS NEW BIRD
CHECK UP AND WHAT I FEARED MOST HAS HAPPENED.HIGH YEAST COUNT IN HIS CLOACA 
(SP?) AND HI GRAM NEGATIVE BACTERIA IN HIS THROAT. THE CULTURES ARE OUT AT 
THE LAB AND SHOULD BE IN IN TWO OR THREE DAYS. THEY ARE ALSO TESTING FOR 
PSITTACOSIS. HAS THIS HAPPENED TO ANYONE ELSE. WAS THERE A HAPPY ENDING?
THE VET IS DR. HARRIS, A WELL RESPECTED AVIAN SPECIALIST. I CALLED THE BREEDER
IMMEDIATELY TO LET HIM KNOW THAT HE SHOULD CHECK HIS OTHER BIRDS. HE OFFERED
TO TAKE GREEN GUY, THAT'S HIS NAME SO FAR, BACK AND MEDICATE HIM HIMSELF. I 
THINK THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST THING BECAUSE HE HAS SO MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH 
BIRDS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND MAYBE HE SHOULD STAY WITH US?? ANY WORDS OF 
WISDOM OR ADVISE? IT MIGHT SOUND SILLY SINCE I'VE ONLY HAD HIM TWO AND A HALF
DAYS, BUT HE IS SO SWEET THAT RON AND I LOVE HIM ALREADY AND I'M SOOOO 
WORRIED. WE HAD A LITTLE BUDGIE THAT GOT ILL AFTER THREE YEARS OF PERFECT
HEALTH AND AFTER A LONG ILLNESS, FROM APRIL TIL JULY, MANY TRIPS TO THE VET 
AND TWICE DAILY MEDICATION, THE LITTLE GUY GAVE UP THE GHOST. VERY TRAUMATIC
FOR ALL OF US. I GUESS FROM THE VERY FACT THAT YOU ARE ON THIS INTERNET 
READING ABOUT BIRDS YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO FALL IN LOVE WITH A 
FEATHERED SWEETIE. ANY ADVISE? 

robin l newlund
From: jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM (Joe Thyne - Sun ECOPS Material Acquisition)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Scanned Bird Gifs
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: budski.east.sun.com


Does any one out there own a Lesser-Sulphur Crested Cockatoo if so can
you give me some helpful advice??

Here is the scenerio we have been thru....

My wife and I have been looking to get a cockatoo and we had two Lesser
Sulphur Crested Cockatoos in mind. One was only 4 weeks old w/ a price
tag of $1500, which we felt was rather expensive, we continued our
search and found one which was just about a year old but half the
price! The second bird had a slight drawback in the sense that it
wasn't a hand fed baby, but it seemed very friendly and took a liken to
us immediately!  We decided that due to our finances, we went with the
$750 one. I had boughten a cockatiel of these people five years ago and
had great luck with it so we figured that this bird was cared for in
the same manner. I hope!!  Looking for help w/the following
questions....or advice..

-I've heard that there are pro's & con's  owning a hand-reared verses
 a non-hand reared bird? 
 - Are they able to talk?
  -How is there demeanor? 
 - How are they around kids? 
 - Are they easily trainable?
-Our bird tends to want to go back to its cage if put on the floor to
play, is this common or due to the fact that the surroundings around
him are new and the cage is his sense of security for the mean time
only???

Any input or experience with this breed of Cockatoo would be
very much appreciated.

Joe

Phone:  508-250-6599 Lowell Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: advice needed on adding 2nd bird
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.141257.1@gumby.mgi.com>, thompson@gumby.mgi.com writes:
> 
  We have a Pacific parolett (sp)
> and my son wants either a budgie or a pacific parolett.  We will keep
> the birds in different rooms.  Any advice on if we should get 2 birds of
> the same species or go with two different species. And we currently
> have a male, should we go for the same sex bird or one of each.
>  

If you plan to keep your birds in different rooms, what does species
and sex have anything to do with what you "should" do?  Just do whatever
you want.  If you plan on eventually combining the same species in one
cage, then you would have to consider the possible consequences of this.
I personally do not like to combine males and females of the same species
in the same cage because they will eventually lose their tameness or become
aggressive to each other when they come into season.

BTW, I also have a pacific parrotlet.  She's a female and quite tame.
I am looking for another tame female.  Anybody got one for sale?

-Eve
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: Need Goffin Advice
Summary: Nice birdie(?) 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.023922.8918@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>My wife and I just gave up our 5 month-old African Grey (Congo).
>He was simply too much to handle (no pun intended).  Although
>my wife helped raise him, he was overly aggressive (biting), and
>was extremely hand-shy.  He was this way since we picked him as
>a hatchling, but we were assured he would "grow out of it."  Needless
>to say, he never did.  Luckily for all of us, our breeder/dealer
>took the bird back and gave us full credit.
>
>We are now wondering what kind of bird to get.  We have a wonderful
>Senegal who's just great.  My wife would like a "lap bird" -- aka
>a "kitten w/wings."  We're considering a Goffin cockatoo, but would
>like to hear from some Goffin owners before committing to one.
>
>ANY input/advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
>--
>Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
>chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
>==================================================================
>     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.

  Hi

   My husband and I have a Goffin.  we like Harry very much, but he is
far from a lap bird.  He bites, will not be handled, and generally
expresses disgust at the thought of being touched.  He is stick-trained,
(he will hop onto a stick, and even allow me to pick him up on the
stick, until he is within sight of his cage, then he flies back to it.)
He is well behaved for a Cockatoo, from what I have heard, because he is
relatively quiet, not a real screamer.  He does not talk.  He is two
years old, and we have had him for a year.  He loves to chew.  His
favorite toy so far (besides his perch, which he chewed through two of
before we got him a PVC perch) is a thick rope hung from the top of his
cage.  He loved that.  (I have to go get him a new one.)  So, in
conclusion, although we would not trade Harry for anything, he wasn't
quite what we expected.  He is great, he is just not a "touchable" pet.

   joy


From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:00:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: cockatiel concussion
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA