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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Orion & Battle Angel Alita
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:02:19 GMT

In article <16q1trINNsg@agate.berkeley.edu> wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang) writes:
>Orion is even MORE difficult to translate
>correctly than Ghost in the Shell.  If all the Taoist-Buddhist-Kojiki-
>mythological-cultural elements are left out, I will be very VERY upset.
>My friend who helped me write the Ghost in the Shell article for Animag
>wouldn't even consider working on Orion.  If whoever is doing the English
>rendering chooses to make things up instead of rendering a proper
>translation, I will be even MORE upset and urge people to boycott it.
>Just as I didn't buy Viz's Lum because it wasn't loyal to the original,
>I won't buy Orion if it's done poorly to the original manga.

Well, if it makes you feel better, Dark Horse claims that Toren is running
around tracking down all of referrences in Orion, so hopefully he's
trying to be as faithful as possible.

>Buy the manga!  Learn Japanese!  :)

Yeah, right!  Easier said than done!  Particularly since this is a manga
most native Japanese have trouble with!
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
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From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: video girl ai 5
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:02:02 GMT

In article <16vmtiINN3mk@agate.berkeley.edu>, ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou) writes:
# In article <Bt97B7.1CE@jrd.dec.com> doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCRVowZj9OO1YbKEI=?= ) writes:
# 
# >Why did Youta dump Moemi for Nobuko?
# I think it's the other way around.  Youta didn't get anywhere with Moemi,
# and Nobuko just popped out and was all over Youta.

Thanks.

# >Why did Ai lose her memory?
# >
# I don't think it's "why" as much as "how".  There was this one big mess in 
# vol.3 where Ai had to get regenerated (the first of many Ai regeneration
# processes to follow).  The manga could have ended shortly after, but 
# supposedly the hormone overdosed youths of Japan demanded it's continuation.
# So the manga went on, and H, and on....  The OAV might end sooner thou.
# We might not see any Nokuko at all (just guessing here; haven't read AnimeV
# for a while).

I don't think we will get to see Nobuko in the OVA.
I have seen the OVA up to #5 and the story is moving pretty slow.
Since #6 is the last one, I doubt there will be any more
new characters.

# Now that you have VGA#5.  Hold on to it.  I know some people in Osaka's 
# been looking.  Make them beg.....

I'll hold on to it, and also buy any others that I see:-)
--
Hitoshi Doi, International Open Systems Engineering        doi@jrd.dec.com
Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
Digital Equipment Corporation Japan          [from Japan: doi@dec-j.co.jp]
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Orion Translation Job
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:17:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

According to the Dark Horse preview mag (which I did not buy due to lack of
cash so don't ask me any more questions);

1) Orion will be shipping in September. <cross fingers>

2) Toren Smith is -not- the only guy translating it; the guy who wrote 
_Manga! Manga!_ is working on it as well. (I cannot remember his name for
the life of me.)

If anyone else has the Dark Horse preview thingie (it's got The Mask on the
cover), could they please post some more specific info?



-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: AR402004@BROWNVM.brown.edu (Steven Feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: CRYING FREEMAN for sale...
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:15:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: darwin.rec.arts.manga.9208192217.AA03555
To: rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net

>Subject: CRYING FREEMAN for sale...
>From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
>Date: 18 Aug 92 11:46:28 CST
>
>I have two issues of CRYING FREEMAN for sale, issue 3 part 2.  I'm asking
>$$8.00 each which includes shipping.  Both are in excellent but not mint
>condition.

     Since when are these hard to get and/or worth more than cover price?
Am I missing the point or something?

                          -- Steven Feldman <ar402004@brownvm.brown.edu>
From: eabu249@orion.oac.uci.edu (Video Boy Oi)
Subject: ANIMEPLUS International shipping rates (We forgot to post these)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:05:00 GMT

----------------------


     TO ALL INTERNATIONAL 'NETTERS INTERESTED IN ANIMEPLUS: (outside USA)

    $3.50 and $13.50 do NOT include the international shipping rate.  I will
find out the rate PER COUNTRY today, and mail you the info.  All international
people interested in ANIMEPLUS, please e-mail me which country you are from.

email to:

amelman@orion.oac.uci.edu


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From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: ANIMEPLUS release info!  (New Anime/Manga newsletter-'zine)
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:11:15 GMT

In article <2A8ECDD0.12044@orion.oac.uci.edu>, eabu249@orion.oac.uci.edu (Video Boy Oi) writes:
# -------------
#    We're going INTERNATIONAL!!
# 
#    AnimePLUS, a club newsletter previously serving Southern California members
# is now going international, with an all new format!!  Our new format will 
# include:

[..stuff deleted here and there..]

# $3.50 trial issue (Issue #1)
# $13.50 Full-year subscription (4 quarterly issues)

What's the international shipping rate?
--
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Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
Digital Equipment Corporation Japan          [from Japan: doi@dec-j.co.jp]
From: kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu (K_Shibuya)
Subject: Re: Kikuchi = Asamiya ?!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Organization: Cal-Animage Epsilon
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:15:33 GMT

In article <mBFHPB7w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan) writes:
>Someone please quell/confirm this rumor that was mentioned to me.
>        'Haruhiko Mikimoto confirmed during Anime Expo that
>         Michitaka Kikuchi and Kia Asamiya were one and the
>         same person'
>
>Riiiiiight....  I'm inclined to NOT believe this.  It seems that Kikuchi 
>might be _great_ friends with Asamiya, but the same person?!  Nah....
>
>Well, is the rumor correct or incorrect (please give some evidence).

=>Welp, i was at that table and that is what Mikimoto said. He knows Kikuchi/
  Asamiya, not personally, but enough to know the names belong to him.

>
>B.anzai   |B  T|  Victor Chan -  Secretary of BAKA    : "$B$$$C$Q$D!*(J"
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KC
kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Studio Proteus and Nausicaa
Date: 20 Aug 1992 17:40:14 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug20.065525.11011@ecst.csuchico.edu> tdunn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tim Dunn) writes:
>Albert Sze-Wei Wang writes:
>>Let's just suffice to say that there are those of us who know the answer.

>Great. Now we get to chant "I gotta secret, I gotta secret." If you're
>not going to spit, then get off the spot. IMPO, no followup would have
>been better than the one you made.

Wrong.  I stated quite politely that unless you get Torren to tell you 
you'll never know.  THAT should have been enough subtle clue to you that
there is some GODDAMN nasty reason why I can't tell you and possibly how
volatile the information is.  Those who know me since the early days
of r.a.a. know I do NOT post frivolous information ESPECIALLY when people
I know are involved.  

Get a clue.  :)

...In the days when there was a total count of only 20 articles and an 
average of 4 articles a week.

Albert

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: Studio Proteus and Nausicaa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:45:35 GMT

> >Albert Sze-Wei Wang writes:
> >>Let's just suffice to say that there are those of us who know the answer.

As the person who posted the original question, let me say this:

Toren Smith has to know what the deal is.  That is obvious.
Going around yelling: "I know the secret!  I know the secret!
But I can't tell you!" is really annoying to some of us.  I'd
rather not have an answer to my question than this sort of answer.

Rule #1 when you learn a secret:  don't let other people know that you
learned a secret.
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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: More properties of Jusenkyou springs (Ranma 1/2)
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:45:10 GMT

In article <axolotl.713171929@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>There's some mild spoilers for the latest Ranma 1/2 manga here.  (Nothing
>real drastic, though.)

>
>It seems that the springs can add to existing curses, instead of
>replacing them.  Pansuto Taro went and doused himself in
>"Chan-Yui-Nii-Chuan"  (Drowned Giant Octopus Spring), and
>now has a full set of tentacles as well as an eel's tail, a crane's
>wings, a bull's body and a yeti's torso.

Given that this is true, maybe it's a good thing Ranma hasn't gotten
back to the nannichuan spring yet...imagine what that would do to
Ranma-chan... :-)

>Supposedly, some springs retain the morality of the creature that
>drowned.  Pansuto Taro was trying to splash Happousai with the
>water of "Shan-Nan-Nii-Chuan" (Drowned Virtuous Man Spring).
>That way, Happousai would become a good man and willingly change
>Pansuto Taro's name.

Hmmmm, now what does *this* say about that girl who drowned in that
spring so long ago... :-)

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in manga (was Re: help!!!)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:13:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.155841.15270@bnr.ca>, thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.051513.6596@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
> >In article <5855@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, 9105HOLL%UCSBVM.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Jennifer M. Holland) writes:
> 
> [manga news slow...deleted]
> 
> >
> >Ok, what do you want to talk about?  :-)  Here's some starters:
> >
> >- There's a veritable slew of characters out there who are
> >  theoretically male, but whose looks confound the gender issue.
> >  Ladios Sopp in FIVE STAR STORIES, Andromeda Shun in SAINT SEIYA,
> >  Yellow Dancer in GENESIS CLIMBER MOSPEDA, and so on, and on, and on...
> >
> >I'd like to note that in the case of Sopp, his looks (heck, the look of
> >FSS as a whole) is taken from the style of shojo manga.
> >
> 
> waitaminit...not to start a "sex" war :-) BUT i thought some of the 
> aforementioned character's gender had been determined and substantiated.

Actually, all of them are male.  But at first glance, you wouldn't guess
that.  :-)  There are a great many manga/anime males out there with long,
flowing hair and delicate features.

> >> Please respond to me directly if you like, since my guess is that most
> >> of this list is not interested in these topics.  (Or I could be wrong.)
> >
> >To tell the truth, most people here (college-age
> >males) are not into shojo manga at all.  Their loss.  :-)
> 
> geeez...you mean you've missed all those sailor moon threads that were
> flying everywhere for a while?  college-age males *all* of them.  ;-)

The exception that proves the rule... :-)

Besides, there isn't much good on TV right now, with RANMA 1/2 and
YAWARA finishing soon.  So people turn to shows they would otherwise
have never given a second glance to.  LAMUNE, SAILOR MOON, etc.
-- 
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From: kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu (K_Shibuya)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in manga (was Re: help!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:11:47 GMT

In article <176rfdINN3p6@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou) writes:
>
>well, you don't need to read too many shojo's to find gay characters. 
>Greenwood, Genji (or for that matter, most Kouga stuffs), CLAMP stuffs,
>etc, etc.  Not too many lesbian mangas I can think of, save some brain dead
>RPG serials.  The best gay story I've read is in 19, and more specifically,
>one of the extra stories in vol.12.  There are supposedly many D.S./Karus 
>dojinshis out there, but (un)fortunately I haven't seen any of those.
>
>Now come to think of it, Marllar of AMG might be a lesbian... (and I didn't 
>write that!)
>
>-- 
>                                                                         o
>    davmou@ocf.berkeley.edu  ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu   studio 3x3  ^ ^
>
>                             wanna Gundam poster?


=>Now many shojo mangas have homosexuality (gay men) in them. Yes, it is a
  fantasy or a curiosity of women like for men with lesbians.
  19 has a good story since it is about a boy blossoming and finding his
  own sexuality with those around him.
  I like Zetsu Ai -1989- since the story brings out an intense struggle
  of drama that I rarely get to read. (It's out as an OVA now). Yes, I do
  have problems with reading the story because of the subject matter but
  if you see Ozaki's art, you wouldn't mind, plus her story is very good.

KC
kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: CRYING FREEMAN for sale...
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:46:28 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I have two issues of CRYING FREEMAN for sale, issue 3 part 2.  I'm asking
$$8.00 each which includes shipping.  Both are in excellent but not mint
condition.  

jaa ne, 
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From: eabu249@orion.oac.uci.edu (Video Boy Oi)
Subject: ANIMEPLUS release info!  (New Anime/Manga newsletter-'zine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Organization: MAD Publishing (Melman-Alegado-Dundas)
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:51:12 GMT

-------------

   We're going INTERNATIONAL!!

   AnimePLUS, a club newsletter previously serving Southern California members
is now going international, with an all new format!!  Our new format will 
include:

Hot info on ongoing TV series', and upcoming OAV's and movies
Merchandise reviews (CD's, LD's and assorted anime goods)
Anime Gaming News (reviews on anime games for popular video game systems,
                   as well as hot tips that WORK!)
Manga reviews (Information on popular Japanese comics)
Upcoming National conventions (WE NEED CON RELAYERS!)
Nihongo Helper (a special section devoted to helping you understand more
                of all that Japanese you hear)

What'll be in the first issue? (Tentative):

Lamune & 40
Bishoojo Senshi SAILOR MOON (Now you'll know)
KO Seiki BEAST Sanjyuushi & Project B4
Ah, My Goddess!
Ranma 1/2 (SuperFamicom/Super Nintendo)game secrets
CD reviews on Mixed-up Nadia, Video Girl Ai, Sailor Moon, KO Seiki Beast, 
and Macross II
News on the '92 Japanese Summer movies- YAWARA!, Ranma 1/2, The Weathering 
Continent, Porco Rosso...and lots more!

The first issue is due out early Fall
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WE NEED YOUR HELP!!

   We want your suggestions on how we can better this newsletter to fit your 
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We'll try our best to please the anime community!!

   Also, we need people who can give us convention information (outside of
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From: ST102272@BROWNVM.brown.edu (Young Su)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Anime and J-Pop CD's for sale!! (Ranma and B'z
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:53:47 GMT
To: "Origin of LISTS.MANGA" <rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net>

On 15 Aug 92 23:24:41 GMT,
rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken) offers the following for sale:
>Ranma deal:
>
>        Ranma 1/2 1st series soundtrack
>        Ranma 1/2 Vocl Collection I (Really funny songs!)
>        Ranma 1/2 Vocl Collection II/Music Calander (Akane sings punk?!)
>        Ranma 1/2: Doco First (sung by all the female cast of Ranma 1/2)
>
>Obviously, I didn't put up the correct names of each CD but you get the
>idea....All the CD's are being sold for $115 (tht includes P+H)  ;
>A good deal for Ranma fans..

Super!
>
>Kiki's Delivery Service soundtrack:     $30
>        One of the best Miyazaki films
>Gunbuster soundtrack and drama:         $30
>        The one and only 99 track CD! Lots of sounds,music and
>        a few surprises..

This sounds like a super sale!  Only question is, do the prices include
S+P?  (Or is that part of a separate deal?)

Bursting with excitement,
- Y.E.S.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction
From: thoni@ida.liu.se (Thomas Nilsson)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to score in text adventures
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:46:58 GMT

mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) writes:

>This brings up another point.  Does anyone else think mazes in games are
>a Bad Thing?  For me, nothing detracts from my enjoyment of a game more
>than a maze.  Of course, nearly every (or perhaps all of them; I say
>"nearly" in case I've simply forgotten one) text adventure I've played
>has had a maze.

There was a thread on this a while back and I think the general
consensus was that they are generally a Bad Think, unless done with a
lot of careful thought and inovation.

/Thomas
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From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: Victory conditions (was: Alternatives to score in text adventures)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:35:51 GMT

helie@bach.udel.edu (Ray) writes:

>In article <BsxDH9.Mvn@rice.edu> amitp@owlnet.rice.edu ( Amit ) writes:

>Wouldn't the point of "side dishes" (SD's) be to make the world seem more 
>three-dimensional and realistic?  In real life, you can do whatever 
>you want, and not everything you do is going to get you closer to 
>solving a particular problem.  

 I tend to agree with that one. One problem I have with Adams'
Hitch-hiker game, for instance, is that it is extremely constrained
and linear in nature. I'd love the opportunity to, say, roam around
the Heart of Gold and look at things. But you can't. The only
locations that appear are those crucial to solving the game. I'm much
more interested in just mucking around than solving puzzles.
Planetfall was kind of neat in that regard.

 Hey, you know what they say about getting there... I just think that
half is underestimating.

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
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