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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 'Straw Poll'...was RE:Madison Music
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:36:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Nov18.160744.8826@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Ok...lets look at the evidence from the past few years:
>
>     '88-'everyone' thinks SCV should have won....they won in '89 instead....
>     '90-'everyone' isn't sure who should have won in '89....so Garfield wins...
>     '91-'everyone' thinks Star should have won in '90....so they win in '91...
>     '92-'everyone' thinks that Cavies should have won in '91.....so they won
>                    in '92.
>
>['everyone' does not necessarily mean me or you.....just the general sentiment
>here.....;) ]
>
>So let's take a poll of 'who should have won in '92'! Maybe we can predict the
>world champion for '93!!
>
>I'm personally up for Garfield.

I think Star will win in '93. :) 

>Brooke
>Colts '89-'93
>Mellophone

-David
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From: HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:10:53 GMT
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In <1erhb8INNh97@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu writes:
> 
> Song Without Words        >   both from Folk Song Suite
> Fantasia on the Dargason  >   by Vaughn Williams

Close but not quite.  That's movements 2 & 4 from the Holst Second Suite.
(or the last movement of the St. Paul Suite...)

MWS
hmusamws@admin.uh.edu
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps Alias?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:06:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <92321.130828MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
> 
>I can understand a visual specialist wanting to get rid of the cymbal line.
>They usually do clutter up the appearance of a battery section.  If you look
>at lines who don't march cymbals (e.g. Phantom, Cavies, Star) the battery
>looks *cleaner* (for lack of a better word) simply because everyone has
>drums on.  A few visual guys I have talked to feel this way.
> 
>This however, doesn't change my mind about SCV....THE top cymbal line.  It
>is also a tradition with the corps, so I feel it should remain a part of the
>drumline.  Musically, I do feel they are *expendable*, though, with the
>advent of the pit.

I understand what you are saying about a cymbal line being "expendable", but
there are some very neat effects that the pit may not be able to reproduce.

>However, if Krescecki (sp?) wants to downsize the rest of the battery, he
>may have a mutiny on his hands.

He already has a mini-mutiny on his hands from what I hear.

>Mike Hughes

--David
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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:53:31 GMT

In article <1ec7qfINN281@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
>
>A friend of mine that has worked with Star for the last 6 years
>told me that the '91 show used only about 5% of Zingalli's drill.
>Ther rest, was from Todd Ryan and someone else (????).  While
>I usually enjoy a well performed AZingalli drill, the awesome '91
>Star show you speak of is not really his work.
>
About all he wrote was the rotating box in the opener and the rotating
cross at the end.  Personally, the rotating cross is my favorite
dirll move of all time, bar none!!
>That is the pronblem with having big name people on staff.  Sure,
>they're great (usually), but the people that do most of (if not all
>of) the real work go unnoticed because of a big name instructor.
>It is my belief that Todd Ryan was MAJORLY underated as a drill
>writer because he worked under Zingalli or along with him on his
>(toTodd's) greates t show, '91 Star's.
>
He wrote most all of the '90 show, but was dying of symptoms of AIDS during
the '91 season.  I guess he didn't spend much time with the corps in '91
and chose to rest at home in Mass.
>So, IMHO, Todd Ryan is like the grerwat ballplayer fro a great
>team that goes unnoticed because of the AWESOME player on the team.
>
>Chris 
>Star in '93?????
>Baritone
PS I'll see you in two weeks at Star camp!!  I can't wait

Rob
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)
>-- 
>Please send all mail to cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
>
>IRC nick-BlueDevil         FurryMuck name-WolfBlitzer
>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps Alias?
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:08:28 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <01050023.i7p7ay@chinchilla.cars.com>, niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
says:
>
>In article <1de545INNd99@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (alt.drumcorps), ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU
>(David D Marshall) writes:
>>I have heard two things regarding SCV for next year.  First, who ever is
>going
>>to be the corps director wants to get rid of their cymbal line (a real slap
>>in the face of the drum line since SCV's cymbal and bass lines are know for
>>being consistalntly the best).  ...
>
>Cymbal line, yes, but Bass line???  Spirit's Bass line has always
>been the best in my book.
>
>Niel
>
Spirit?!  C'mon...  Top bass lines are consistently SCV and the Cadets.
 
I can understand a visual specialist wanting to get rid of the cymbal line.
They usually do clutter up the appearance of a battery section.  If you look
at lines who don't march cymbals (e.g. Phantom, Cavies, Star) the battery
looks *cleaner* (for lack of a better word) simply because everyone has
drums on.  A few visual guys I have talked to feel this way.
 
This however, doesn't change my mind about SCV....THE top cymbal line.  It
is also a tradition with the corps, so I feel it should remain a part of the
drumline.  Musically, I do feel they are *expendable*, though, with the
advent of the pit.
 
However, if Krescecki (sp?) wants to downsize the rest of the battery, he
may have a mutiny on his hands.
 
Mike Hughes
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: St.Angel and the Bird
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 09:16:43 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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I finally pulled out the videotape and looked for the bird incident.

I was appalled.

The worst thing was that immediately after the incident, a horn player
in PR's front row nodded his head vigorously (hard to hide with a
plume on the helment) and another looked like he was emulating the
gesture.

Any respect I had for PR's management before (very little) is gone
now.

Niel

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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:27:10 GMT

bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:

><MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>>Discussion of the 1988 DCI Championships and Madison's victory have been
>>discussed recently in the group.  Here's who the real winners were for the
>>past few years.  These are IMHOs, of course, but I can see the flames coming
>>:).
>> 
>> 1987 SCV (even though I loved the Garfield production)
>> 1988 SCV (EASILY!!!!)
>> 1989 Phantom Regiment (SCV was too dirty)
>> 1990 Cadets (Star was great but still had some dirt)
>> 1991 Star
>> 1992 Star
>> 
>>Mike Hughes

>Here's my $0.02:

>1987 Cadets (Listen to the recordings - there is at least one alto player
>		out to lunch - especially at the very end)
		I mean one of SCV's altos, not Garfield's.

>1988 SCV (arguments accepted for BD)
>1989 Phantom Regiment or Cadets (easier music than they usually play, but
>		WHAT A DRILL!)
>1990 Cavaliers (most musically satifying show on the field that year)
>1991 Star (no contest)
>1992 Cadets (had a SLIGHT edge on Star on finals night)

>[BIG IMHO]

>Brian J. Haag
>bjh42543
>nyc.sd.du.uiuc.77832

>What the hell is that ??? ^
>Brian J. Haag
>bjh42543@uiuc.edu
>bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:39:58 GMT

In article <Nov.17.15.50.30.1992.12645@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
 ^^^^^^^ <--- THE State University of New Jersey.

>How many corps and how many times have we heard Russian
>Easter Overture?  
>
I think you're thinking of Russian Christmas Music, by Alfred Reed.



Scott Radeker
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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:13:31 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <1992Nov13.185524.10159@beaver.cs.washington.edu> (alt.drumcorps), dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.094525.5577@desire.wright.edu> byork@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>                THE SHOW WILL BE:
>>
>>                  NUMERO UNO ('81 -ISH)
>>                  STRAWBERRY SOUP ( '82 AND '83 I BELIEVE)
>>                  REMEMBRANCE ( 1990)
>>           
>
>Is anyone else just a little disappointed that Madison has decided
>to go with a show that consists entirely of music they have played before?
>At least one new piece would make it a bit more interesting, in my
>opinion.

I have mixed feelings about it.  Although I've always liked Numero Uno 
and Strawberry Soup (don't really know Remembrance), I wish we could get 
out of this trend of dredging up oldies for the impact of it.  Unless 
you're going to re-write the whole thing and treat it as a new song, I 
don't think you should do it again.

Niel

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From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com (Dave Owens)
Subject: Crossmen gossip
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:57:57 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Just heard from a friend who heard from a friend...

Crossmen had 230 drummers show up to try out at a recent "drum camp".
Was anyone out there one of these?  If this is accurate look out
for an excellent drum line to get even better... (or become a corps
on it's own! :) )

Now entering the field for competition... the Crossmen Drum and Drum Corps.

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From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: alt.drumcorps
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:27:02 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Hey there anybody in the Balto-Annap. area of MD, interested in holding some
local drum circles please mail me...I have no idea who likes to drum around
here so lets get it together and get the vibes flowin'
Arial
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: SCV 92 ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:58:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


>     My brother tells me thru a fellow teacher, who is an avid booster of SCV 
>(catch all that?) that during finals week, SCV's truck was filled and ready to 
>go with the most prop oriented, gimmicky show you could imagine, and that the 
>corps had even practiced alternate parts of the show, including uniform changes
>I believe.
>     Help me out here, does anyone know anything about this?!? Thanks...

Fascinating.  I heard a rumor from a generally reliable source, three
nights before finals, that they were planning on putting on three
entirely different shows... different from night to night, with ever-
increasing props, etc.

After the week was over I assumed she was just wrong.  But maybe there
was something to it.
                                       Scott
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:23:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <92323.114926MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>Discussion of the 1988 DCI Championships and Madison's victory have been
>discussed recently in the group.  Here's who the real winners were for the
>past few years.  These are IMHOs, of course, but I can see the flames coming
>:).
> 
> 1987 SCV (even though I loved the Garfield production)
> 1988 SCV (EASILY!!!!)
> 1989 Phantom Regiment (SCV was too dirty)
> 1990 Cadets (Star was great but still had some dirt)
> 1991 Star
> 1992 Star
> 

Well, here's my list starting from when I have tapes of:
1986 BD (Easily)
1987 SCV
1988 Madison (great music and increadibly clean)
1989 Cadets (helluva show, although I am biased,& I didn't like Phantom at all)
1990 Cadets
1991 Star (I didn't like the music, but it was still increadable)
1992 Cadets (they pushed the edge much farther than Cavies with a bit of dirt)

These too are very biased.  I probably have based a disproportionate amount of
emphasis on the drum lines (for some reason :)).

>Mike Hughes

--David


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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise)
Subject: informal survey
Summary: corps songs and such
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:19:32 GMT

    Here's an informal survey for those of you interested.  Many corps have 
songs associated with them, Madison and You'll Never Walk Alone, Sky Ryders and
Over the Rainbow, etc, etc.

     My question is what song do you think would be most representative of the 
Bluecoats.  While this is just informal, the results could play a role in 
upcoming alumni meetings.

     Your participation is greatly appreciated...

--The Curious Inquisitor
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Madison Music
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:56:58 GMT

In article <17691621@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:

>|>BTW, I have it on a very good source that the top-12 did indeed know the
>|>scores going into the finals performance.

>Oh? One of my favorite moments in the 1988 PBS broadcast came at the very end.
>The announcer was giving the semifinals scores out and the camera focused
>on the Cavaliers just as he recited Cadets' and Cavaliers' scores.  It turned
>out that Cavies had beaten Cadets in semis although they lost to them in
>finals.  The Cavies reacted as if they said:  DAMN!  We beat them in prelims
>and we let them get past us!  That is consistent with them being ignorant
>of the semi-final scores, not their knowing them.  If they had known, they
>would have acted that way when the *final* scores were announced!
>Perhaps the management and staffs knew.  The kids in Cavies sure didn't!

Neither the kids nor the staff of Cavaliers (and I assume the other corps
as well) knew the results of prelims that year. I think that the intentions
of DCI were good in that they didn't want the judges to be influenced by the
knowledge of prelims scores, but I'm glad they went back to the old system.

--Brad.


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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1992 CD's
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:51:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:

>In article <Nov.18.15.43.28.1992.23200@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
>>
>>
>>I phoned DCI headquarters today and was told that they
>>expect the CD's to be in at the very end of this month.
>>
>>Also, you can still order them now, but as soon as they
>>are sold out they are out of print so the earlier the order
>>the better.

>They haven't really run out that fast in the last 2 years.  I saw the CDs
>for sale at WGI Nationals and they were still selling the '91 tapes
>at WCs this year.


Well I wanted 1990 on CD and I could not get it.  It seems to me
that they are just not around as long as they used to be.  Remember
when you could still get what you wanted 3 or 4 years later?  This,
of course, was when you could buy just the volume you wanted not
all or nothing.
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:38:11 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov17.234431.5800@watson.ibm.com>, owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com (David Owens) writes:
> I'm pretty happy to say I marched with the corps to put the first 
> (and only) synthesizer on the field.  
   ^^^^^^^^
Rocky Mountain Magic (Thornton, CO) also used a synthesizer in the beginning of
the '87 either as an experiment or possibly just for the heck of it because
they were planning on touring just the first half of the season.  After a few
shows on the west coast they got rid the synthesizer after coming close to the
Mandarin.  When they did get rid of it they started beating the Mandarins by a
fairly good margin.  Too bad they couldn't complete their season that year.

> (Quick trivia: what other instruments was Boston first to 
> put on the field?)

Last season was the first time I saw an I-beam in the pit. 

> 
> By the way... anyone know how many times Carmina Borana has been done?
> I know Sky Riders did it not too long ago... but I'm not old enough
> to go much further back.
> 
I think three corps used that piece that year (Sky Ryders, Limited Edition,
Blue Stars, I think).

							Charles Holt
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:49:16 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I liked the Vanguard's 1988 "Phantom of the Opera" show better than in 1989.
After watching the video of 1988 about 60 times, the 1989
show seemed very plain (no props) and I felt that the optimum choices
in terms of orchestration, music selection, etc. had already been made
in 1988.  Hence every change made in 1989 seemed to be for the worse.

Recently I made a cassette tape of some drumcorps performances for a 
friend.  I was faced with the decision of which Phantom of the Opera to
use.  Reminding myself that an "audio only" version might call for 
a new evaluation, I listened to both again.  I still chose 1988.
The 1989 version might have been technically better (after all, it
beat my second-favorite performance of all time) but the 1988
version just "felt better".

Maybe I have a prejudice towards the first version of something I become 
familiar with.  I have a tape of the Blue Devils doing Cuban Fire Suite
in 1979, and last summer's version seemed to lack something.  After
wearing out my LP of Klemperer's version of Beethoven's Ninth, other
versions just don't seem real.

Anyway, if you were had to select one year of the Vanguard's
Phantom of the Opera for a tape designed to impress your
friends, which would you choose?

BTW, I too was blown away by Star in 1990, but my favorite performance
of all time was by the Vanguard, in another year in which many thought
they should have won first place.

My third posting this morning!  I had better get to work now.

Tom Matthews
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: Scouts 93
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:35:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

From: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU

>>>staff gets enough positive feedback that it doesn't feel any need to change.
>>>
>>>After all, they did WIN in 1988 with Malaguena.
>> 
>>And a highly questionable result it was, too.
>> 
>>Mike Hughes
>
>agreed... let's take a straw vote and see how many people thought SCV should
>have won with their Phantom of the Opera show..

Hey, no fair!  I thought BD should have won in '88... and still do.

Scott

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From: ctornow@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carina E Tornow)
Subject: Re: crossmaN
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:56:57 GMT



>But on a positive note, they seem to be getting their act back together. I
>re-iterate that they have always had a rather good but neglected drum line.
>                                       ^^^^^^
>-- flip

Sorry, I don't think so.  I happen to know some Crossmen drummers and I've seen
them play.  They are a hot drumline.  And Mark Thurstone, the drumline
instructor does not neglect them.  I know Thurstone, and he makes sure that
line can play everything that he's written for them clean and precises.  I 
think this year's line will be even better than last years.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Who REALLY won in 1988?
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 11:49:25 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Discussion of the 1988 DCI Championships and Madison's victory have been
discussed recently in the group.  Here's who the real winners were for the
past few years.  These are IMHOs, of course, but I can see the flames coming
:).
 
 1987 SCV (even though I loved the Garfield production)
 1988 SCV (EASILY!!!!)
 1989 Phantom Regiment (SCV was too dirty)
 1990 Cadets (Star was great but still had some dirt)
 1991 Star
 1992 Star
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps