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From: todd@palomar.tivoli.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Darkroom recommendations?
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:41:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: palomar.TODD.92Oct14204127
Distribution: rec
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

The labs that I have been using have disappointed me so often that
I'm thinking about putting together a darkroom.  I don't want to end
up buying equipment twice (like I did with cameras), so I'd like to
start out by getting equipment that I won't grow out of.  There are
three high priced items that I'd like to hear from rec.photo readers
about:  enlargers, enlarging lens, and print processors.

Currently I shoot only 35mm and 6x7, mostly slide film with Ciba
prints.  I'd like to design the darkroom to handle up to 4x5 film up
to 20x24 inch prints.  Furthermore, because Ciba is supposed to be so
hard to do, I'd be willing to switch to color negative film and RA-4
prints.  My goal is to have a darkroom that is capable of producing
exhibition quallity prints in large sizes with as little time as one
can reasonably expect.

Enlargers:  I've considered the new Bessler 4x5 XVT with the 45A or
the new Universal head.  Has anybody used this enlarger?  I've heard
that the mechanical aspects of other Bessler enlargers left a lot to
be desired.  Is this true?  How about the new XVT?  I've also heard
that the 45A produces too little light for big prints and that it
overheats.  Is this so?  Would a Saunders 4x5 be a better choice?  Is
the Durst 1200 worth its impressive price tag?  

Lens:  Do I really need APO lenses?  For very critical work what 
lenses are best?  (I plan on one for each format that I shoot.)

Processors: Has anybody out there used a Jobo Autolab (the big brother
to their manual rotary tube processors, CPP etc.)?  I'm thinking about
the ATL 2 because of its versatility and ability to handle prints to
20x24.  However, is a roller transport the only way to go for color
printing as some people have suggested?  Would a Fujimoto CP-51 take
so long to set up and tear down with each use (6 liters!) that the
advantage of its 4 minute dry-to-dry turnaround time is nullified? 

Any advice on darkrooms would be greatly appreciated.  

P.S.  I still like the *custom* Cibachromes that I get from Holland
Poto.




--

Todd
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Todd Smith                                     TIVOLI Systems, Inc.
todd@tivoli.com                                6034 West Courtyard Dr.
                                               Suite 210
(512) 794-9070 [794-0623 fax]                  Austin, TX   78730
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: frank@truevision.com (Frank Loffel)
Subject: How is the light different at dawn and dusk?
Organization: Truevision Inc., Indianapolis, IN
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:20:02 GMT

Hello

Is there a substantial difference in the quality of light at dawn and dusk, or
are they basically equivalent with reversed timing and direction of light?

Some effects affecting the atmosphere from morning to evening are pollution
building up during the day, sand blown up by daytime winds, morning fog
resolved by the rising day temperature.

Is there any other magic that allows to take a certain photograph only at dawn
or dusk?

There is a clear difference in perception. After getting out of a cozy sleeping
bag at 4.15 am, freezing to the bone and nothing in the stomach, fingers 
too numb to remove a lens cap, the brain is not as perceptive to that fine
scenery about to be captured for eternity. When the sun finally rises, you
stare at it and wait for the faint rays to warm your poor body.
That's one of the reasons why I find it harder to take pictures in the early 
morning.




-- 
-- Frank Loffel, Truevision, Inc., uunet!epicb!frank frank@truevision.com :-) --
-- "Shut up and pleasure me!" - Peg Bundy
From: IIRE@joyl.joensuu.fi (IIRE_ANTTI)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Question about FE-2
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:42:10 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu, Finland
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In <1992Oct15.143947.28399@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> vhs6r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU writes:

> I recently purchased an FE-2 camera, but the owner I got it from couldn't
> find the manual.  Anyway, my question is... is the shutter speed as
> determined by the light meter variable?  For example, if the indicator 
> on the light meter is between 250 and 500, would the camera take a picture
> at either one of the 2 speeds or would it actually take the pic at 400 or
> something?  And does the meter measure to a zone VI or zone V?  I was reading
> the Practical Zone System by Chris Johnson and he said that some built-in
> meters place the subject on zone VI instead of V, and I was wondering if the
> FE-2 is one of them.  Is it possible to request the manual from Nikon?  Would
> it be worth the trouble?  And if so, how?  Your input is much appreciated...
> thanks.


I've got the FE. If the manual-policy is the same for FE2, then it is
not worth it to try to get a copy of a manual from Nikon, because it
ain't giving answers to question like these. It is more like "what-
f-stop-should-you-use-when-taking-flash-photos" -stuff. So don't
bother, the manual won't help you.

You should try to get a copy of some more technically oriented guide 
(there is one for Nikon's, isn't there?) or just trust the net.wisdom.

Sorry that I can't help you with the main problem.


Antti Iire, Univ. of Joensuu, Finland          iire@joensuu.joyl.fi
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: empty film canisters FAQ
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:55:03 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

If this doesn't go in the FAQ...

In article <1bkdkjINNrvi@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk) writes:
> In article <1992Oct15.161617.26483@informix.com>, bobd@jupiter.informix.com (Bob Dodge) writes:
> |> 
> |>These are also handy for carrying peanut butter, which seems to attract 
> |> birds and animals, in the field. 
> 
>   I've also used them for:
> 
>   1. Telescope collimation tools; cut off the bottom half of the can
>      and carefully punch a small hole thru the gate in the center of
>      the can. They fit 1.25in focusers well.
> 
>   2. Dummy D cell battery packs; if I was too lazy to take apart an
>      item to put in a jack for use with an AC transformer I would put
>      the connector in the dummy assembly and drill a small hole in 
>      battery cover for access to the jack. 
> 
>   3. Mixing small cocktails of paint, solvents, lubricants and such.
> 
>   4. Projector screen alignment tool; I wrap about 20 feet of string
>      around a can and keep it with the projector. To use it unwind
>      the string, loop the string and can around the projector lens 
>      and see if the distance to the corners of the screen is the same.
>        
>   5. Adjustable weights; with a string thru the center of the lid and
>      some buckshot or whatever you can easily vary the weight.
> 
>   6. Small part containers. 
> 

    7. Storing negatives in.

~Paul
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: night exposures for traffic
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:51:07 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <5360814@hplsla.hp.com>, andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino) writes:
> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
...
> I don't believe I've heard of "RF" characteristics for film before. Is this
> like the HD curve?
> 

Culpa mea, RF -> reciprosity failure... sorry

While on the subject of 'RF', I recently posted about v. good results from
Ektar 25 in night shots. Well I looked in the Colour data Guide and it said
no correction to 10 sec, 100 sec, 'not recomended'. Any one out there any idea
what happens between 10 and 100 or more sec exposure with PHR?

~Paul
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Subject: Re: Film "FAQ"
Originator: asanders@sparta
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:38:56 GMT

| Why are you guys out there always fighting these, "my film 
| is better than yours"-war? 
				-Alex Bochannek

I don't see it this way at all. Except for the occasional "rude dude"
cluttering up the airwaves, rec.photo is generally an exceptionally
friendly group. I've learned alot from people describing the
characteristics of films they are familiar with. I keep a film
file specifically for adding new information as it comes along.

My two cents...

	-Alan
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: fohl@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.e.fohl)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Darkroom Supplies?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:18:01 GMT
Summary: My experience

In article <5657@naucse.cse.nau.edu>, rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
> I wonder if anyone can recommend a good mail order place
> for darkroom supplies.  I've check the "customer satisfaction"
> 
> THANKS
> 
>  - Bob Wier
> 
I have ordered extensively from B&H of New York.  I have ordered equipment, 
film, paper, chemicals.   They are as pleasant to work with as any of the NY
mail order places.  They are also quite prompt in their shipping.  I've 
even returned things with a minimum of hassle.  

Check out their ad in Pop Photo for all their stuff.  I think they also
advertise in "Darkroom and Creative Camera Techniques".

Good luck,

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau)
Subject: Re: Lighting Technique (Questions On)
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:20:20 GMT

In article <28581@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> mtoms@ems.cdc.com writes:
>Hello,
>
>  I was thinking about setting up a studio in my house and was wondering
>how other photographers resolve a particular problem.  Namely, how do
>you eliminate the line formed by the backdrop (where it meets the floor)?
>For example, I was thinking of using a roll of paper (like 5 feet wide) 
>for the backdrop and arranging it so that if there were no subject, it 
>would be the only thing in view.
>
>
>                                                 |  top
>                                                 |
>           camera                                |
>                                                 |
>                                                 |
>                                                 |  
>           --------------------------------------   floor
>

arrange the paper like this:  there won't be a corner, the bottom is concave

                                                  |
                                                  |
                                                  |
                                                  |
                                                  |
                                                  |
                                                 |
                                               -
                                           -
                                    -
            --------------------------------------   floor
 
>
>  O.K.  now if the floor is carpeted, won't the paper be wrinkled/dirtied
>when pepole stand on it?
>

the object or person will stand on the paper.  if wrinkle is a problem, try
putting a ply wood board under the paper or use a cloth background.  with 
paper you'll have to tear off the dirtied portion (meaning you'll need to 
start with a roll and not a sheet)

>  Last, is there a decent book that describes, in some detail, this sort 
>of thing?  Set-up's etc.
>
I'm sure there are.  I've seen some books on setting up your own studio, but
since I haven't gotten to that point in my photography I don't have a studio
and have not read any such books.

eugene

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: goldis@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Goldis)
Subject: Re: multiple aperture markings on a large-format lens
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:08:36 GMT

In <1992Sep26.155804.24086@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:

>In article <97pL02EL23JQ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
>(Barry Sherman) writes:
>|> donl mathis writes:
>|> 
>|> [ discussion of convertible large format lenses deleted ]
>|> 
>|> >You people with your zoom lenses.  Things weren't always so cushy.  :)
>|> 
>|> So when's the long rumored (at least for the last 5 minutes) Schneider
>|> Hyper-Symmar HM Wide Field 65-500 f2.8 tele zoom due out?

>Pfffft! I'm waiting for the f/1.4....they say it'll cover 11x14 ;-).

I got to play with a REAL lens similar to this; a 95-500/f1.4.  It
also has a built-in 2X teleconverter that can be added.

Unfortunately, we're talking about a TV camera lens so I don't think
it will quite cover 11x14 ;-).  It might not even cover 35mm, but what
the heck.  The other disadvantantages are it weighs about 40 pounds
and costs about $75,000.

In comparison to some others this was a rather wimpy lens.  It's not
uncommon to see 55:1 zoom ratios on cameras used at football games.
Price tag:  $150,000+.
--
Al Goldis           alan-goldis@uiowa.edu
"Pictures are moments truth, touched by light, that show character."
                          --Annie Griffiths-Belt
From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Reciprocity failure (was Re: moonlit landscapes / stars (4x5)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 17:33:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlg10.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Oct16.170416.3773@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
| 
| For long exposures (more than 1 second) color films show a color shift which
| depends on the length of the exposure and the film type. Each film has a
| consistant color shift, but all different types of film are different.

  Speaking of slide film and shots of the moon...the current or recent
  Astronomy magazine reviewed a number of films of different make and
  speed, in part by using shots of the moon. I only scanned the article
  but as I recall Velvia had the tightest grain, and most had some color
  shift.

  John Ongtooguk (jonho@sdd.hp.com)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:56:29 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Joys of big ones (Was Re: Barnbaum and Sexton like the same rock?)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa,world
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

dtalmage@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>I think I'd enjoy the slow pleasures of large format 
>photography.  Unfortunately, it's too expensive in terms of time right 
>now.
>
>I think I've found a way to keep those wigglers at bay!  
>So here's my plan:  I'm going to wait until I'm a father.

Heh, heh, heh.

>I expect to be even shorter of time 

Once you have kids, you'll find that you have *no* time and *no* money. 
(But they're worth it!)

>then but I figure I'll need something like a 
>large format camera to *make me slow down* long enough to decompress.
>
>Think it'll work?

Not if that's your reason for it! ;^)

Seriously, though, we tried our first family trip in which the view
camera came along a few weeks ago.  All in all, it went well.  The
problem is the time it takes to use the view camera.  Expecting little
ones to hang around while Daddy plays with his camera is, well,
expecting a bit.

My nearly-three-year old son did well.  Mom generally found something
else for him to do for the 10 or 15 minutes I was taking my picture.  A
willing spouse (or other companion capable of child-watching) is
*essential* for doing this.  There would be no way I could watch him and
take a photograph with the view camera.  He did take an interest in
seeing Daddy's picture on the ground glass.  He didn't seem to notice
that it was upside down. ;^)

My 10-month-old son was riding in a backpack on my back.  He thought the
darkcloth was tremendous fun, and enjoyed it immensely when Daddy took
his pictures.  You think wind is bad!

Basically, you can take a family trip, or a photography trip, or have
everyone compromise and try to mix the two.  If you try to do a
full-fledged photography trip while non-photographing family members try
to put up with you, you'll have fun, and everyone else will be plotting
amusing ways to destroy your view camera. ;^)  Lots of compromise is
essential if you want to mix the two.

Geoff

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Computers are useless.  
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  They can only give you answers.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \		-- Pablo Picasso
From: Steven_Swenson@bearsden.UUCP (Steven Swenson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Nikon FG
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:53:55 GMT
Organization: The Bear's Den BBS   (715) 839-7997

The time is here when I must part ways with my Nikon FG, a 
proven perfomer. I would give this piece an SB ex rating. Willing 
to sell this black body, IB and the Nikon eveready case for 
$120.00 plus UPS. Send E-Mail for more info.
 
Steven_Swenson@bearsden.UUCP 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Getting Ready to Buy Mail-Order, Help Appreciated
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:35:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I'm getting ready to buy a EOS Elan, 35-135 Cannon Lens, and a 430EZ flash.
It looks as if mail-order is my best buy, price wise (I'm a poor college
student :-).

Any suggestions on where I should buy from would be appreciated.
Good buy, and good service are most important, in that order.


-- 
Henry "Hank" Harlan Roark III | UNIX--An OS for those that don't have to pay.
Georgia Tech                  | OS/2--An OS for those that do have to pay.
gt8080a@prism.gatech.edu      | DOS --An OS for those that don't care.
My views only, not GT's       | Windows--An OS, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Pop Photography (was: Cat lenses...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:45:41 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Originator: asanders@sparta

| Hmmmm.  Previously I wasn't aware that Pop Photog *had* standards.

					-Barry Sherman

Pop Photography is the only magazine I know of (well, maybe Vogue
is another one) that people buy primarily for the advertising. :->

					    -Alan
From: sdpage@andersen.co.uk (Stephen Page)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Cropping slides
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:54:53 GMT
Organization: Andersen Consulting (UK Practice)

Can anyone suggest a good way to crop slides for projection?

I've seen masks in shops, but these look rather limited. The local photo
shop suggests using masking tape, which sounds rather unpleasant!
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Experience with Canon EF 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.192908.28012@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rlundqui@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert G Lundquist) writes:
> Along the same general line has anyone seen the new 75-300 USM?  It
...
> 
> I really need the lens now.  I sold my OM-4 and all its lenses last week.
> I don't know whether to wait or to go ahead and buy the 100-300.  I 
> know I want the USM for shooting sports which is why I need the tele
> now.  Soccer season is over too soon.
> 
I've been told it's opticaly the same as the old one :-(, but with the new
focus mech.
I think for soccer, I would say the 100-300USM is a better bet than the L.
You will also find it a good bit quicker to point, due to its shorter length.
The 75-300 is much chop, image wise.

~Paul

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bbarton@Ingres.COM (Brian Barton)
Subject: Re: Need Nikon Body Repair (K & S?)
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Distribution: ba
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:48:49 GMT

In article <GISI.92Oct8230216@hplgisi.hpl.hp.com>, gisi@hplgisi.hpl.hp.com (Ma writes...
> 
>>> Needless to say, I was not highly impressed by Apollo
>>>                               -David Jacobson
> 
> 
>> There have been previous warnings in rec.photo about Apollo
>> Sounds like it would be wise to simply avoid them.
>>                                 -Alan
> 
>Both my friend and I have had a positive experience with having cameras
>repaired by Apollo. But these are only two cases. I did go there on a recommendation.
> 
>The question you might want to ask is where does K & S send their cameras
>for repairs.  I do not know. After visting Apollo, I got the impression
>(and only an impression) that a number of local bay area camera stores send
>out their repairs to Apollo.  Therefore you end up paying a middleman fee
>for handling.  Apollo does run a very large operation (may be too large!).
> 
>- Mark


Just my .02 on this one, but I've had _excellent_ results with getting my
Nikons and Leica M repaired at Metro Camera in San Francisco.

They do great work, and the prices are very reasonable.

It does get kind of expensive for some things, but they've never "done me
wrong."  I've bashed up some things pretty hard and they always seem to
bring my stuff back to life.

Metro Camera is in S.F.  Call information for their number. 

DISCLAIMER: I don't own Metro Camera and I've never been given a discount for
referring people there and I don't get a cent for spouting their good name.
They're just good.  What's wrong with sharing some good info?

Brian Barton
bbarton@ingres.com


Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:22:42 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Barnbaum and Sexton like the same rock?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes concerning the ``famous''
rock on Sunwapta Falls:
>I just printed this neg the night before last, and the 8x10 I made is
>OK, but not great.  Maybe if I fiddle with it some more.  One thing's
>for sure, a 6x6 TLR at f/8 (its best aperture) doesn't have enough
>DOF to do this shot right (the foreground rocks are soft).  (No! I will
>_not_ succumb to the wiggles [mphhh, grunt, arrrgh].)

Your resistance is admirable, but you sound like you won't be able to
hold out for long.

You're getting weaker, weaker, weaker, wea....

>My local pusher, err, dealer has been waving used 4x5's in my face.
>I wave back (so far).

Yep.  Any day now.

Try it, you'll like it. ;^)

The few.  The proud.  The Wigglers!

Geoff

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Disneyland is going to be a place where you can't
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  get lost or tired unless you want to.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \                    -- Walt Disney, 1953
From: ay00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALI YILDIRIM)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Canon EOS flash units
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:29:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello,
Can anybody tell me where to find information about Canon EOS flashes?
Information directly sent to my account by e-mail is also acceptable!
Thanks in advance.
-- 

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