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From: lowey@jester.usask.ca (Stress Warlock)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Wow, those Trident Drivers do work!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:56:42 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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robert Steuer (steuer@clam.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: new drivers do wonders for windows!  I still am having trouble
: displaying 256 color GIF images in DOS boxes, I get an error msg that
: says that the system can't support this program running in a window,
: can't continue and then is SUSPENDS the program. Ugh! I thought I
: would finally be able to have GIF image in tiny DOS boxes!  Has anyone
: gotten this to work?  Well, its getting on to about 1:30AM here, so
: later!

I use an OS/2 .gif program (VIEWGIF2.ZOO on the ftp site below).  It allows
direct palette manipulation to display the .gif file in all its colours on
the PM desktop.

What I do for DOS programs is view the image full-screen, then after
the image is displayed, press CTRL-HOME to put it in a window.  The
program will still suspend, but it will display the image.  Then I can
even cut and paste from the screen.  I've used this to make 256 colour
40x40 icons for Gunship 2000, Spellcasting 201, and a few other games.
Really nice graphics.  The 1024x768x256 drivers use the same resources
(fonts, icons) as the 8415, so you can have 256-colour icons, etc.

Also, it looks like it only checks for the bad mode when the DOS
program changes into graphics modes.  I've had a few programs (Gunship
2000 for example) that suspend when they first go into graphic mode.
However, if I then put it full-screen, then back to graphic mode, it
will continue running in a window.  Some programs will work like this,
others (like Castle Wolfenstein and Spellcasting 201) won't.

- Kevin Lowey (Lowey@Sask.USask.CA)
>>>>> Anonymous FTP to FTP.USASK.CA for DOS, OS/2, and Windows programs <<<<<

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de (Z. Horvat)
Subject: German Service Pack (where?)
Reply-To: zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de
Organization: "RZ Universitaet Konstanz"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:24:25 GMT

Hello Netters,

just saw that the german service pack is out. Just wondering if someone is holding it for anonymous ftp. 

Thanks in advance

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zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Re: Help with dual monitor configuration
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:35:45 GMT
Keywords: os2 waffle 165

In article <1992Dec12.053718.15333@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
}In article <1992Dec11.174500.5832@cbnews.cb.att.com> shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr) writes:
}>>You should get ahold of the utility EchoMon, available via anonymous
}>>ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (search the file /pub/os2/00Index for exact...
}>Please help deconfuse me (and others).  I [couldn't find it].

}Well, you shouldn't take any file reference I give too literally.  :-)

What does it mean if I literally don't take you too literally? :-)

}If memory serves, the filename is either echomn12.zip or echmon12.zip.
}If you do a case insensitive keyword search on "monochrome" you might
}have better luck.

Aha!  Found under /pub/os2/all/drivers/ecomon12.zip thanks to "fgrep -i
monochrome".

Thanks,
Larry
-- 
Larry A. Shurr (las@cbnmva.att.com) speaking only for myself.
Norman, listen carefully.  I am lying.  Are you sure your circuits are
registering?  Your ears are green.  Logic is a little bird singing in a
meadow.  Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad! - Mr. Spock
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Misc OS/2 questions (especially CSD installation)
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:04:25 GMT

Jeremy Mathers (pynq@quads.uchicago.edu) wrote:
> It's funny you should mention that.  I have had no problems reading and
> writing FDFORMAT'd diskettes (3.5", 1.72M) under OS/2 (w/o loading any
> driver or such).  It seems to just work.  I assumed that they had
> re-written (re-implemented) enuf of the BIOS to make this work.  This is
> on a machine where, in order to access these diskettes under plain DOS,
> I do have to load the driver (FDREAD.EXE).

Great! I had not tried to read them actually. You can't format to > 1.44MB
under OS/2 though on 1.44MB drives. I am not surprised, really, that OS/2
does read them. It should simply pick up the extra tracks & sectors form
the format type. My complaint is really that you can't specify something
like /F:82 on the format line because it tells you that the drive can't do
it!

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: lkan@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Linus Kan)
Subject: Taligent & WINOS2 question
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:52:40 GMT

I read about an IBM-Apple joint Taligent project--Taligent
is supposedly another OS for IBM PCs + MACs...?  How is
this going to affect OS/2?

Also, I've got a 486-33 with 16Meg RAM + 210 FAT hard disk
but WINOS2 is running exceptionally slow particularly the
refresh rate.  I'm running WINOS2 seemless at 800x600 @256
with the Service Pak installed.  How can I solve this
problem, ie. how can I improve WINOS2 performance?

Please e-mail response.  Thanks in advance.

:) lkan@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
From: je@unix.brighton.ac.uk (John English)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: NEC Pinwriter P20 driver?
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:14:01 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

Robert.Dyess@f6507.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Dyess) writes:
: * In a message originally to All, Timothy F. Sipples said:
: 
: TS>Just out of genuine curiosity, can you elaborate on why the
: TS>closest Epson driver does not work as well?
: 
: I apologize for butting in, but I have a Pinwriter P2200 and have the same 
: problem. The driver that works best is the Epson LQ-850 on my system. But it 
: acts flakey from time to time. The symptoms are slow speed (much slower than 
: I know the printer was capable of under MS-DOS, even in draft mode), 
: frequent unexplained hold of the print job in the que that cannot be 
: reversed from the WPS window and frequent inability to control the font 
: being used at print time. These problems can be corrected on my system after 
: usually one or two complete power downs. But I only experience these things 
: at unpredictable and irregular intervals which makes the problem very hard 
: to diagnose.

I've got a NEC P20, and I've set it up as an LQ850. I normally use it for
listings so I use quick'n'dirty draft mode by default.  That nice Epson
driver doesn't like that so it resets it to Courier at the start of every
file. I then hit select & reset the font (Courier is quite slow), but
then the next file starts & I have to do it again. Ho hum. Where are
all the real NEC drivers? (I've asked before but got no answers -- is
it my imagination or do only easy questions get replies? :-)
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From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison)
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:01:27 GMT

In article <BzE1Kz.A8F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>
>>Humor us. Try replacing your RAM with a set from a different system,
>>preferably one known to run OS/2 with no problems.
>
>>Al is not the only one who has seen TRAP 0002s be memory problems. That goes
>>for everyone here, including IBM. OS/2 is known to be a torture test for
>>memory. Other programs, including what were thought to be heavy-duty
>>diagnostics, have been known to run properly on systems where OS/2 had TRAP
>>0002s which were cured by replacing RAM.
>
>Well, if you first say that the RAM is fine even for heavy duty diagnostics,
>but not for OS/2, then say the problem is with RAM, there is ome kind of
>contradiction. It is not like most RAM out there is "mortal" RAM, and there
>is some very privileged, select few RAM chips that are the ultimate in RAM
>chips. All RAM that is in perfect condition are pretty much the same, and getting
>RAM that happens to "work" with OS/2 is pure luck. 
>
Sorry, but you are making the assumption that those "Heavy Duty Diagnostics"
are worth the disk they come on.  Unfortunately, that is quite often NOT the
case.  Memory problems have persisted in many systems certified by such
programs as QA, Checkit and their clones, only to be resolved by REPLACING
the memory.  This has happened under DOS, Windows, Unix as well as OS/2.

The problem is that the checking programs (even the heavy duty ones) arn't
all that rigerous.
From: kristine@cats.ucsc.edu (Kristine Mei Lan Ing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Object Vision for OS/2 for sale
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:32:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Object Vision for Os/2 for sale.

Original box, manuals and reg card!

$85.00
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Need COM.SYS/UART info
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:32:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.222646.17225@networx.com> mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere) writes:
>I'm building a custom serial card (it must do 45.5 baud) for a TDD
>(Telecommunications Device for the Deaf) project, and need to know which
>UART chips COM.SYS will talk directly to, so that I don't have to write
>a special driver for the thing.

On the PC the standard UARTs which work correctly are the 8250, the
16450, and the 16550 series.  All are available from National
Semiconductor.  Don't use the 8250 -- there's no price advantage, and
it sometimes reacts badly to fast bus designs.  Get at least a 16450.
Should be under $10 ea. easily -- closer to $5 (quantity one).

COM.SYS supports any of these UARTs, as does DOS.

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
From: sveinare@idt.unit.no (Svein Are Martinsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Large fonts problem with Win-OS/2 and ET4000 1024x768x256
Keywords: ET4000, large fonts & captions, menus take to much space
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: sveinare@idt.unit.no
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: IDT -- Norwegian Institute of Technology

Anyone (ET4000) remember back in the Windows age, when you
had two sets of display drivers for the ET4000 in each resoltuion,
one giving you large fonts, icons, caption, etc, and the other one
giving you small. (for instance vga478.drv vs. vga478s.drv)

Using OS/2 2.0 with the SP and the ET4000 drivers for 1024x768x256, 
I now get Windows Seamless in the terrible "Large fonts format". 
Using some programs, the Caption, Menu, and Buttons TAKE UP FAR
TO MUCH SPACE. 

Is there some way I can get the "Small Format" I had when using 
pure Windows (using vga478s.drv, which I also use when running
Win-OS2 fullscreen), when running Windows applications seamless??

What about you other users of OS/2 (and Win-OS2). Are you happy
with large fonts, captions, icons, etc. OR HAVE YOU FOUND ANY 
SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM??

Please let me know! (Preferably by e-mail)

Thanks a lot!
 
  -sveinare

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       Email: sveinare@idt.unit.no
       I Study Computer Science at NTH (Nowegian Institute of Technology) 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: anto@dutetvf.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto)
Subject: Diamond Stealth ..cheap.. buy?
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:50:08 GMT

Hi, I saw a Diamond Stealth for a bargain price yesterday. It'll cost me
about $ 193,- (FL.349,-). I know that there is no OS/2 2.0 driver
available yet, and you can only use it for vanilla VGA. 

That's why I need some advice, shall I buy that card or get a Tseng
based video card (I haven't any of those cards, and I'll get one of
those). What are the advantages of Diamond Stealth compare to Tseng
right know and may be next year? 

I think I need the answer asap 'cause y'know, bargain, it'll vanish just
like that.....

Thanks in advance,
Anto Daryanto

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From: kristine@cats.ucsc.edu (Kristine Mei Lan Ing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: How to unstick a window-creation position?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:24:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


fhl@milton.u.washington.edu (Dean Pentcheff) writes:

>By using the Shift-Mouse combination I recently "fixed" the size of
>my OS/2 command window.  Accidentally, I also moved it while holding
>down the Shift key.  Now, of course, all OS/2 command windows open
>at the same location, rather than cascading as they used to.  Is there
>some way of unlocking this Shift-move fixation?  I'd like to return
>to the cascaded window locations.

>Thanks.

>-Dean

I read somewhere? that double clicking on the title bar with one of the two mouse buttons was supposed to undo it.  Haven't tried it myself.

If that doesn't work, I think you can use inimaint to modify the
VIOSHIELD key in os2.ini.  Again, just a guess.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dflint@unlv.edu (Michael Evans)
Subject: Re: Tseng ET4000 32-bit and 70+Hz
Organization: UNLV
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 05:27:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.203337.22233@wam.umd.edu> comehome@wam.umd.edu (Neal A. Dillman) writes:
>	Anyone know how to get the following to work??
>483/33MHz NEC w/4FG monitor and ET4000 video @ (and here's the hard part)
>70+Hz 1024x768  NI w/the service pack installed.
>
>	Please mail or reply through news... my eyes are killing me!!
>
>					-Neal
>					comehome@wam.umd.edu
>-- 
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> "If you choose not to decide,         | NeXTmail: comehome@wam.umd.edu
>  you still have made a choice"        | INTERnet: comehome@jolt.eng.umd.edu

I have a similar set up (A 25Mhz 386 w/ NEC 3FGx monitor and a 
Orchid Prodesigner II, which has a ET4000).  There are at least three
sets of drivers on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu:  A generic driver for 16 colors,
A driver for Focus cards, and two sets of drivers from Orchid (one
for 16 colors, and one for 256-- I'm using the 256 color drivers).
If you have an Orchid card, you're out of luck on 70+Hz-- a readme file
included with the drivers says not to use them above 60 Hz. :-(

I'm having a problem now with the Orchid drivers which I've seen 
mentioned before-- in setup windows, the tabs on the setup notebook
are unreadable, and when in the master help index, not only are
the tabs unreadable but when the notebook is scrolled, new text simply
scrolls over the top of the old, creating an unreadable mess.

If a solution for this problem has been found, I would appreciate 
either mail or a news post.

Mike Evans
dflint@unlv.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: File system momentarily vanished; icon viewers; instb; ...
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:04:42 GMT




Some miscellaneous questions...

While using full-screen DOS emulation, suddenly all my files vanished,
both on my primary and logical partitions. I exited, got back into the
f-s Dos, and they were back.  Has anyone else seen this happen?

Are there any OS/2 icon viewers/deleters, other than the bundled
icon editor? I have a directory with ove a Meg of icons, and I'd like
to efficiently peruse and delete them. Windows icon viewers don't work.

I tried getting 'INSTB' to work(which creates a boot/installation disk
for drive B). I kept getting a "wrong boot image" message when running 
creating the second B boot diskette. 

Finally (for now), if one screws up the config.sys of a primary DOS
partition, so that one cannot execute it (say, bad memory configuration), 
is there any way of recovering that partition without having to reinstall
DOS?  Would utility software like Norton utilities help, if it existed for
OS/2?

-- 
Brian Ross                          "Welcome to Canada." -- Twin Peaks Movie.
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: I put the Trident 16bit drivers onto the SP-how do I run the 32bit?
Keywords: trident device driver display.dll 
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:38:44 GMT


Hi all-

 Here's my story: After installing the service pak, I immediately went
and reinstalled the 16-bit 800x600x16 drivers for my Trident 8900c w/1
meg.  Now I see there are 32-bit drivers available, but I hear that
reinstalling the 16-bit ones ruined my DISPLAY.DLL.  Well, I looked in
the file \os2\install\service.log, and there is no reference in it to
DISPLAY.DLL.  Does this mean I can just copy the GA version off my
original install disks and then install the 32-bit drivers, or do I
actually have to reinstall all of GA, and then the whole SP?  I'd rather
not do that....Any advice appreciated.  Thanks.

-- 
Marc Fraioli
mfraioli@grebyn.com	        	(So I'm a minimalist...)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: stevef@wrq.com (Steve Forrette)
Subject: Re: IBM's failure to honor upgrade problem resolved!
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.195439.28031@sbcs.sunysb.edu> kskapin@csws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Keith T Skapinski) writes:
>
>Recently, I had posted a message about my brother trying to upgrade from OS/2
>1.x to 2.0. The point of the message was that IBM forgot to enclose the form
>in their envelope with the letter and thus my brother was unable to get it in
>in time. IBM said too bad and wouldn't take the fact that they (IBM) screwed
>up by not including the form into consideration.
>
>I doubt Microsoft would have been so unwilling to help him.

You're right - Microsoft wouldn't have had a free upgrade program to start
with!

Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com
From: anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Dual Boot not working!!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:41:51 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

Hi all!!!

A couple of months ago I installed OS2 with the Boot Manager.
And I started having problems with my internal modem, it just
wouldn't connect, or sometimes it worked and others didn't.
After trying all out, I reformatted the whole drive but this
time without the boot manager, and lo and behold everything
came back to normal.
So I forgot about OS2, but now, I have more time and after reading
the installation guide found out about the Dual Boot feature.
I reformatted my whole drive again, and installed DOS 5.0 and
after that installed OS2, both in the same startable drive, ie C:
BUT, in the installation guide says that I have to have command.com
for the command interpreter, but I am using 4dos, but I guessed
it wouldn't make any difference, the thing is that when I tried
to install os2 a screen showed up telling me to change my config.sys
to have the shell=command.com, I went on, and installed os2.
I tried to reboot, and it doesn't work! I got the os2 loading screen,
but after that a black screen salutes and there it dies!
So I rebooted with floppies, and went to my root directory, changing
my config.sys and autoexec.bat from DOS back again, now I have
access to the machine, but the question is:

Can I use the Dual Boot feature when I am using 4dos or I ought to
have command.com as the command interpreter?????

Any comments will be greatly appreciated!!!

-Anibal Jodorcovsky
 anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca
From: x90farleigh1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 1.3 doesn't find all mem?
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:46:58 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I have OS/2 1.31 (MS as shipped with Lan Man ...) and it does not seem to
recognize all of the memory installed (16MB as recognized by thge Model95)

It only recognizes about half of the memory - On other systems, the OS will
only recognize contiguos memory - Is there any similar "rule" that must be
fiollowed?


Thanks in advance!

Please email me at x90farleigh1@gw.wmich.edu

Fred Farleigh

                      
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Subject: Re: Startup Folder
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:25:44 GMT

In article <enk2.37.724480100@po.cwru.edu> enk2@po.cwru.edu (Erik Kovach) writes:
>
>Are you closing the application before restarting?  OS/2, unless instructed
>in the CONFIG.SYS with a SET statement (I think SET RESTARTOBJECTS=
>STARTUPFOLDERONLY), will reload anything at startup that was active 
>upon shutting down the system from the last time.

The set statement to disable the automatic restart of programs already running
is :
SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERSONLY

(note plural)

Note that all this, I think, is in the FAQ.

Jeff



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From: gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Paul Wagland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Any news on OS/2 2.1?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:51:23 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

5692330@mcimail.com  (Robert Gammon) writes:
>In article <gershon.722754974@husc10> gershon@husc10.harvard.edu (Ethan Gershon) writes:
> >> Does anyone know when OS/2 2.1 will be released?  I assume some sort of
> >> upgrade will be availible on the net.  Will that upgrade need 2.0 with
> >> the CSD?
>OS/2 2.1????? What is this beast???  I think what you really mean is the
>Service Pack that is targeted for release late December/early January.  No
>announcement has been made, to my knowledge, about the revision level of this
>service pack.  Last word that I got from IBM was that it MIGHT be called 2.00.1,
>or 2.01.   Lets use terminology that we can ALL understand, and that won't
>get us the equivalent of a blank stare when talking to IBM about this on
>the phone or in person.  All we know now is that this is a Service Pack.

Would that be the CSD that has already been released? or the much talked
about (in these groups) OS/2.1 that includes win 3.1 support,
Multi-media support, among other things?
BTW OS/2.00.1 is being released pre-installed on the PS/2 range now, I
believe. (I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.... :)

Paul
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