HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbh@feenix.metronet.com (Justin B Harvey)
Subject: Comprehensive Help System/HPUX
Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:31:02 GMT

Can anyone recommend a more comprehensible help system opposed to
man?  I need something similiar to VMS Explain/Help.
Justin
Xref: sparky comp.unix.misc:4788 misc.invest:15585
From: shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:05:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: A/C International

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>USL for PCs should cost exactly what Windows-NT is
>introduced at.  Add another $100 for online documentation
>(like your PC has that kind of disk space; make it
>$200-$300 if you want it on CD-ROM with a whizzy graphical
>browser) and a couple grand for the sources, if you think
>that's wise.

	The writer considerably overstates the requirements for on-line 
	documentation. A complete set of "man" pages takes perhaps a few MB
	at most. As far as graphical browsers, I'm running USL's Destiny
	product on a 386 with a single 80 MB disk, and that *includes* the
	graphic/hypertext Help Desk. That's not to say that yet more info
	couldn't be available. Both HP and IBM provide massive amounts of
	such data through their help facilities, and they *do* use CD-ROM
	for that.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:14:47 GMT

shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake) writes:
}bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
}>USL for PCs should cost exactly what Windows-NT is
}>introduced at.  Add another $100 for online documentation
}>(like your PC has that kind of disk space; make it
}>$200-$300 if you want it on CD-ROM with a whizzy graphical
}>browser) and a couple grand for the sources, if you think
}>that's wise.
}
}	The writer considerably overstates the requirements for on-line 
}	documentation. A complete set of "man" pages takes perhaps a few MB
}	at most.

            That depends on what you call a "few".  I just looked, we have
            slighly over 15MB and that's with compressed man pages.  I
            expect it would be close to 50MB uncompressed.  [DEC Ultrix]

}	at most. As far as graphical browsers, I'm running USL's Destiny
}	product on a 386 with a single 80 MB disk, and that *includes* the
}	graphic/hypertext Help Desk. That's not to say that yet more info
}	couldn't be available. Both HP and IBM provide massive amounts of
}	such data through their help facilities, and they *do* use CD-ROM
}	for that.

             and another 600MB on CD-ROM.


John
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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:47:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: rmkhome.9212250048.05
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <id.JO3W.L13@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.195317.10599@vpbuild.vp.com> jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:
>> Besides, NT IS Unix with Windows on top of it.
>
>How do you figure? The API, software architecture, programming model, what
>you want to call it has no relation whatsoever to any version of UNIX I'm
>familiar with (basically, anything since 5th Edition through System V, Xenix,
>and a number of iterations of BSD).


According to my friends who have to program for it, NT has no relation to
any operating system known to man, and they wish it would go away.

One friend of mine applauds it, because it will pay him $60k or more for
the next ten years adding all the missing parts to it.

That's reality.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:47:52 GMT

In article <30DEC199208140923@author.gsfc.nasa.gov> rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:
> >there are really only two variations, SysV and BSD (well, and SunOS, but
> >i see that as sort of a SysV/BSD thing).

>   So which one do you want to claim SCO falls into?

SCO is System V. It's just one of many value-added System V packages out there.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:18:03 GMT

In article <C06L0n.5xv@news.iastate.edu> john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
>             That depends on what you call a "few".  I just looked, we have
>             slighly over 15MB and that's with compressed man pages.  I
>             expect it would be close to 50MB uncompressed.  [DEC Ultrix]

Well, the entire 386BSD SRC01 /usr/share/man/man*, plus the mandoc macros
to format it, fit on a single 5.25" floppy as a compressed CPIO archive. I
know... I just put it all on one.

Given a clever database, you could build a random-access structure that would
hold all that information with little expansion (say, compress before cpio
using a fixed compression table optimised for the data, plus an index to
the start of each entry in the cpio), so a few MB for BIN01, ETC01, and
FreeX86 manuals sounds about right.
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From: bob@comlab.gatech.edu (Bob Baggerman)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:03:54 GMT
Organization: GTRI Communications Lab

Bob Koehler writes:
>>One of my pet peeves in UNIX land is its closed nature.  To me, open means 
>>you can look inside.  I cannot afford the current UNIX source license prices,
>>but I have found source licensing arangements for proprietary systems often 
>>an order of magnitude lower.

and Jurgen Botz replies:
>Really?  I don't know otherwise, but I find this /very/ surprising.  How
>much for a VMS source license?  Can anyone even get it?

There was an interesting discussion of source licensing the other day on
comp.os.vms.  Jamie Hanrahan of Kernal Mode Consulting said that VMS source
is available on CD ROM.  He said that "you don't have to 'justify' anything,
just sign a source license agreement, and pay about $2200."

He made what I thought was a very compelling arguement that in many 
respects VMS is just as "open" as other operating systems such as Unix,
and maybe even more so.

The discussion of which system is more "open" can be fun and enlightening
(that's why we all read news, right?) but it's sort of like arguing about
how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  "Open" is marketing
drivel that obscures the real issues, like the availability of source
licensing, documented and published interfaces, and compliance with
widely used standards.  The word "open" conveys little or no meaning
in the context of computers or operating systems these days.

Bob

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: SCO UNIX -- Who's compatible?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 14:20:27 GMT

Bob Halloran (rkh@ucs.att.com) wrote:
: In article <jonathan.725094167@author.ecn.purdue.edu> jonathan@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Jonathan L Neuenschwander) writes:
: >
: >I'm asking this for friend, and forgive me if it's a FAQ, I haven't seen a 
: >list here recently.  (If it is a FAQ, please send me a copy)
: >
: >I remember reading recently that one flavor of UNIX (Unixware?  QNX?) claimed
: >binary compatibility with SCO's UNIX.  What Unices are compatible, is there a
: >list somewhere?  
: 
: As I recall, all the Intel versions past 3.2 added back-compatibility
: with the old Xenix binary format.  They are also cross-compatible with
: one another at that release level and above.

Also COHERENT 4.0 from Mark Williams Co. is binary compatible with SCO's UNIX
and the other SV's using iBCS coff format.
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From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:04:02 GMT

My wish list for unix includes DEC os-like (VMS,RT,RSX..) logical
variables.  Another would be a way for a child process to define a symbol
that the parent could access (without kudging all the time).

-- 
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j-weiss@nwu.edu    Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School
From: ron@argus.lpl.Arizona.EDU (Ron Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Regular expression, vi and sed
Keywords: RE, VI, SED
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:04:36 GMT
Organization: Lunar and Planetary Lab, U of AZ

I have a problem which I don't understand. First, I would like to delete
a bunch of blank spaces that I have in a very large file. VI can't do it
because there isn't enough space in /var or /tmp or whatever. So I tried
using sed as follows:
sed -e "s/^ +//" < in > out"
and it didn't work. Why? My understanding of regular expressions tells me that
this would be any number of blanks at the beginning of the line. But it
doesnt' seem to work under SUNOS. Any ideas? How should I proceed in solving
this problem?
Please use e-mail. Thanks,
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran)
Subject: Re: SCO UNIX -- Who's compatible?
Keywords: SCO, compatibility
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:24:20 GMT

In article <jonathan.725094167@author.ecn.purdue.edu> jonathan@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Jonathan L Neuenschwander) writes:
>
>I'm asking this for friend, and forgive me if it's a FAQ, I haven't seen a 
>list here recently.  (If it is a FAQ, please send me a copy)
>
>I remember reading recently that one flavor of UNIX (Unixware?  QNX?) claimed
>binary compatibility with SCO's UNIX.  What Unices are compatible, is there a
>list somewhere?  

As I recall, all the Intel versions past 3.2 added back-compatibility
with the old Xenix binary format.  They are also cross-compatible with
one another at that release level and above.

	Bob Halloran
	AT&T Universal Card
	Jacksonville FL

	rkh@ucs.att.com
Any similarity between opinions stated here and AT&T's 
  corporate opinion are purely coincidental.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: norstar@tnl.com (Daniel Ray)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: The Northern Lights
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 11:36:43 GMT

My favorite lacking in UNIX is in the area of system security. I wish
UNIX had ACLs like VAX/VMS systems do. It would allow for user-by-user
access lists, and not just owner-group-other access.


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Xref: sparky comp.unix.misc:4761 misc.invest:15484
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:17:24 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <1haon0INNfdh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>>Perhaps the best part of the early days of UNIX was that you got the
>>source code, and could fix it so it would do what you wanted.  I guess
>>the days of the shade tree UNIX hacker are truely over.

That's probably for the better.  It's that sort of
willy-nilly development that kept UNIX products unstable
(and bloating) and let abhorrent but unchanging crap like
DOS capture a hundred million customers.

Then again, there's still GNU (and the Lions book :-)).

>         The USL package includes the source code.
>         For an extra $3K.

A screaming deal.  Your "development platform" costs more,
and isn't nearly as useful.

USL for PCs should cost exactly what Windows-NT is
introduced at.  Add another $100 for online documentation
(like your PC has that kind of disk space; make it
$200-$300 if you want it on CD-ROM with a whizzy graphical
browser) and a couple grand for the sources, if you think
that's wise.

				--Blair
				  "Just try to get the formula for Coke."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: Regular expression, vi and sed
Keywords: RE, VI, SED
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:48:01 GMT

ron@argus.lpl.Arizona.EDU (Ron Watkins) writes:

>I have a problem which I don't understand. First, I would like to delete
>a bunch of blank spaces that I have in a very large file. VI can't do it
>because there isn't enough space in /var or /tmp or whatever. So I tried
>using sed as follows:
>sed -e "s/^ +//" < in > out"
>and it didn't work.

Try:

sed -e "s/^[ ]*//" < in > out

t.
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:38:06 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>	More likely, UNIX will continue to prosper where it always has: as a
>server, development platform,

Assuming, of course, that the large size of the PC+DOS/Windows
marketplace doesn't cause development tools to come out for it that beat
the UNIX tools all hollow (assuming that hasn't happened *already)....
From: mike@ipmce.su (Michael Yu. Yaroslavtsev)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit
Subject: select() in Xenix/286
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 20:47:33 +0300
Distribution: world
Organization: unknown
Reply-To: mike@ipmce.su

Hi folks,
does anybody there know how to use select() system call in
Xenix System V rel. 2.3.2 for Intel/286? I'm pretty sure
the kernel contains some code for it (nm /xenix). However,
no man page is supplied for it, while /usr/include/sys/select.h
is present. Moreover, there's no select() library function
in /lib/?lib[cx].a .

Thanx in advance,

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From: edotto@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Otto)
Subject: Re: Where do you shop (was: UNIX/286)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:42:49 GMT

hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu (Henry J. Cobb) writes:



>]486 DX/33Mhz
>]4Mb RAm
>]130Mb drive (IDE)
>]1.2Mb & 1.44Mb floppies
>]101 Keyboard
>]512K SVGA Accelerator
>]SVGA Monitor (.28dp)
>]2 serial & 1 parrallel Ports
>]1 year parts & labor Warr
>]Total Price = $1,649   & the 486 SX/25 Mhz (same other stuff) = $1,249
>]the 486DX/50 is $1,849
>]-- 
>	This system is very marginal for "Real Unix Work"(TM, IMHO).

>	I'd:
>Add 4MB Ram:				+$130
>Upgrade to 200 MB Disk:			+$100
>Get at least a one-meg ET4000 SVGA:	+ $30
>Get a non-interlaced 14" monitor:	+ $50
>Switch to a tower case with 250W+ P/S:	+$100
>					------
>					+$410S

King Star in California has the same system (with all of the options AND a
250 Mb tape backup unit, with a 200 Mb drive instead of the 130, and 1 1Mb card instead of the 512K card for about that total price ($2,200 or so).  Phone # is
510-659-8590.

					--		Ed

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From: grimm@utkvx3.utk.edu (STEVE BLASS)
Subject: Shareware bbs for unix
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:06:00 GMT

Regarding Quebbs, I don't know where to point you but I can provide a
PD bbs for Unix.
Grimm@utkvx3.UTK.edu
From: hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu (Henry J. Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit
Subject: Re: Where do you shop (was: UNIX/286)
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:54:58
Organization: /rubin/hcobb/.organization
	<BCR.92Dec11155136@hfl3sn02.cern.ch>
	<1992Dec15.215359.7810@Celestial.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: fly2.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: ray@Celestial.COM's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:53:59 GMT



]I don't know what part of the country the $2300 quote came from, but here
]in the Seattle area (WA) that price seems high.  I am setting here reading a
]flyer from a local dealer (with typical prices).
]486 DX/33Mhz
]4Mb RAm
]130Mb drive (IDE)
]1.2Mb & 1.44Mb floppies
]101 Keyboard
]512K SVGA Accelerator
]SVGA Monitor (.28dp)
]2 serial & 1 parrallel Ports
]1 year parts & labor Warr
]Total Price = $1,649   & the 486 SX/25 Mhz (same other stuff) = $1,249
]the 486DX/50 is $1,849
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]UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!ray   6641 East Mercer Way
]             uunet!camco!ray   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
]The probability of one or more spelling errors in this missive approaches

	This system is very marginal for "Real Unix Work"(TM, IMHO).

	I'd:
Add 4MB Ram:				+$130
Upgrade to 200 MB Disk:			+$100
Get at least a one-meg ET4000 SVGA:	+ $30
Get a non-interlaced 14" monitor:	+ $50
Switch to a tower case with 250W+ P/S:	+$100
					------
					+$410

	For a grand total of $2,060.  You might want to consider upgrading
the (unmentioned) external cache from 64K to 256K (for about $100 more),
but I've found little advantage for an external cache for "Real Unix Work".
(Which is why so many of the DX2's are finding Unix or a workalike on their
boot sectors.)
--
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	"Once it becomes possible to do something, it gets very difficult to
undo it.  Whether its automobiles, computers or nuclear weapons, invention has
always been the mother of necessity."
Xref: sparky comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:910 comp.unix.bsd:10672 comp.os.linux:21871
From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ET4000/W32 and VESA VL-Bus
Date: 28 Dec 1992 05:11:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu

mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) writes:

>January '93 BYTE magazine did a review of higher performance SVGA
>graphics accelerator boards (p.202-206).  The Orchid Fahrenheit VA
>which uses the 86C801 board did quite respectably in their tests
>(which were performaned on all the boards at 1024x768 resolution, 72Hz).
>The Actix Systems GraphicsEngine 32 also used the S3 based 86C801 and
>had even higher scores.  Yet according to your chart they can
>only use DRAM.  Again the tests in BYTE were at 72Hz.  Comment?

Wups.  Apologies everyone, I goofed.  They do not explictely state
they ran them at 72Hz, it was the max refresh rate I saw for the
cards I mentioned in the table on p.204-205.  It could be that they
used 72Hz, but we just don't know for sure.  They were definitly
using 1024x768 however at 256 colors.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.i386
From: jrohr@rasc.com (Jay J. Rohr)
Subject: CD-ROM for ISC 3.0.1
Organization: Rohr Applied SYstems Corp., Sterling VA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:45:21 GMT

I'm thinking about getting an NEC InterSect CDR-74 for use under ISC 3.0.1.
The ISC docs. state that CD-ROM drives that are known to work include the
NEC CDR-80 and CDR-82.  Has anyone tried to use to the CDR-74, will it work,
is there a better option?

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