From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: CHANGE THE LEAGUES IN SCOTLAND
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:04:48 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <MNEWS.726516176.23397@demon.co.uk>, J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
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> In article <1993Jan8.144751.2699@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
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>>there seems to be a chance that the SSL will not go ahead now. Thank christ for
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>>that. If it does though, the SSL would get no places in europe, and if Rangers
>>and Aberdeen etc honestly believe that they can form a european superleague
>>with the likes of milan, marseille etc, then they are kidding themselves. Milan
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>>are not going to leave the money-spinning italian league, same goes for
>>marseilles etc. No chance.
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> Suppose the SFA doesn't recognise the SSL (btw, I agree that the SSL would
> not be a good thing), they would have to throw Rangers, Aberdeen et al out
> of the SFA, and then they wouldn't be able to call on those clubs' players for
> Internationals. Would the SFA do this? I expect they'd grudgingly recognise
> the SSL.
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> Milan would not leave the Italian League, what they and others would do is
> effectively operate TWO first team squads, one for the domestic league and
> another for a European league. 
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>> However, the SFA are missing a great chance to do
>>some good in the game for once, providing the SSL doesn't happen.
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> The SFA have s.f.a. to do with it. SFA does not equal Scottish League, they
> are two distinct bodies which adminster their own affairs. It's up to the
> member clubs of the Scottish League to decide the size and constitution of
> the divisions, and who they admit to membership.

WELL I MEANT THE SCOTTISH LEAGUE
BOTH BODIES ARE EQUALLY INCOMPETENT ASSHOLES

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>> A 14-12-12
>>set up again means no opening of the leagues to highland league sides etc,
>>which, given the drubbings regularly handed out to Division 2 sides in the cup
>>by these sides and the general standards in the highland league, is ridiculous.
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> Isn't "regular drubbings" overstating it a bit? I think Division 2 clubs
> generally have the edge, but there's still enough "upsets" to suggest that
> the top Highland clubs could do quite well in Division 2.

QOS 2-6 ROSS COUNTY ?

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> Does the proposed 14-12-12 setup involve playing other clubs 3 times?
> I don't like the imbalance of home and away games in this system. The thought
> of visiting places like Ibrox twice in a season and only getting one home game
> back won't be too appealling to most clubs. I don't know why 1st and 2nd
> division clubs have put up with this system for so long. I liked the proposal
> last season of a 12 club Premier Division with a championship play-off.
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>>This is how i would have set it up.
>>new premier league:    new first division   new second division
>>16 teams               10 teams             16 teams (4 non league sides)
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>>it would work like this:
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>>this seasons bottom 2 don't get their asses saved and go down
>>the top six from division 1 go into the premier.
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> So it's relegation for Dundee again  :-;
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>>Again the bottom 2 in div one go down to div 2.
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> Hang on, that means no promotion from Div 2, how about 4 down and 2 up?
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>> In div 2, the bottom 2 get relegated and four non-league
>>sides come up, say 2 highland league teams and 2 from the south league or
>>whatever it's called (the league that has gala etc).
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> Gala Fairydean play in the East of Scotland league based around Lothians
> and the Borders. It's not as strong as the Highland League and general the
> ground facilities are very poor, so there ought to be more clubs from the
> Highland League, say 3 to 1. The other league is the South of Scotland
> League based around Dumfries & Galloway. It's even worse, its clubs rarely
> qualify for the Scottish Cup, Stranraer Reserves are currently about the
> best club in it.
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>> The two that would be
>>relegated go into whichever league is closest to them.
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> Except that there is no close Senior league for clubs in Tayside, Fife, Central
> and Strathclyde. If you could get the Junior clubs involved then maybe
> it might work.
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>> OR there could be a
>>'feeder' league of non league sides, of which the top 4 go up, and thereafter,
>>2 up, 2 down. The feeder league would itself be fed teams by North, South and
>>Central and so on, making it possible for junior sides to make it to the top
>>level, if they were ambitious enough. the theory being that, any club, no
>>matter how small could get into the actual scottish league if they were
>>ambitious enough.
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> I don't think many Junior clubs will be interested in that. They have their own
> autonomous set-up and the top Junior clubs wouldn't want to jeopordise their
> future by becoming just another average Senior club. Still, any that do
> have ambitions of elevating to the Senior rank have no chance of getting
> there under the current structure, so they might become more ambitious if
> a "promotion" route was available to them. We could even see a Cambuslang
> derby in a few years, if Celtic ever move there.
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>>The premier league sides play each other twice, so only 30 league matches a
>>season, the first division play each other 4 times, so 36 matches for them, and
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>>the division 2 sides play twice so 30 games for them. The skol cup would be
>>abolished so that even the most successful team would play no more than 45
>>matches in a season.
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> Only 30 league matches - you must be joking. Which Premier league club will
> condone losing the income from 7 home matches + all the cash that a decent
> Skol Cup run can generate? That's why we're stuck with the ridiculous 12 club
> Premier League, more games means more money and it reduces the chances of
> clubs like Dundee being relegated.

CHANGE THE FORMAT OF THE SCOTTISH CUP - 2 LEGS PER TIE
THE SKOL CUP IS A DOUR TOURNAMENT ANYWAY

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>>confused?
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>>you should be.....
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