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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:57:28 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Demo Party Emblem or Truth in Advertising
Comments: To: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@OHSTVMA.IUPUI.EDU>

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:35:07 EDT K=A*T said:
>From:         "I. P. Freely" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>
>
>> It is rumored that Clinton is considering a proposal to change the
>> Democratic Party emblem from a donkey to a .......................
>
>> ---Robert
>
>I would like to know what idiot would start and/or propagate
>such a rumor.
>
>--KAT

Jeepers...did you have your sense of humour surgically removed? :)

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Subject: Re: On the death penalty once again ...
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:00:00 GMT
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        Not only that.  It is our policy that someone who is insane and
does not understand why they are being executed should be executed.  First
they treat the person so that they understand, and then they execute them.
Logical, no?

                                                Chris Morrison
                                                CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:09:43 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Did you vote for Carter

On Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:06:00 EDT Carl A. Lahetta said:
>   I wonder how many of you voted for Carter the first time he ran for
>President as well as his second attempt?
>
>Carl------------+

I voted for Ford in '76 and Anderson in '80.

Evelyn Duncan
From: ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET (Tim Johnson)
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Subject: Re: the kErry tickEt
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:33:48 GMT
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Kerry remarks, as if this would somehow encourage people
to vote for her:

>The beer thing:
>How many of
>our opponents have driven 750 miles (one way) in order to purchase products
>unavailable in their states?

  I can't speak for the other tickets, but the JohnsoN/OlsoN ticket
has never *had* to drive 750 miles for a beer.  If Kerry can't keep
beer available in her own state, how can we risk putting her in
charge of the whole list?

                         -Tim
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:36:00 CST
From:         POHENRY@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      Did you vote for Carter

Carl-
I not only voted for Carter both times but I was one of those who saw his
concession speech during the 1980 election and voted for him anyway.  I was
living in Los Angeles at the time and I was on my way to an election night
party.  I turned on the tv to see how "things" were going and my man Jimmy
was conceeding.  I walked across the street where my polling precinct was
located and voted for him anyway out of principal.  I've always beleived that
a vote for Reagan/Bush was a vote for dishonesty in government.,
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        Val, don't be sorry at all.  What you are talking about is the ultimate
question in the electronic world:  just where do you draw the line where access
is concerned, how do you deal with people who are unwilling or unable to engage
in rational dialogue, or even engage in illegal or threatening acts?  Now, I
said before and you yelled at me for it, but I think that the people who
subscribe to the list should be consulted.  True, the list is not a democracy,
but they are affected by it too.  In any case, it helps keep the list together
and creates a consensus of what is permitted and what isn't if everybody
has a chance to discuss the problems.  Finally, it prevents something that we
are all liable to, having our moods affect how we react to what people say.
I think that the people on the net will back you in this.

        Now, even if you have an unmoderated list I believe you can have the
listserv reject postings from certain addresses.  This should of course be
a last resort, and there should be definite processes involved to be certain
that everyone's rights and interests are taken into account.  But it is a
compromise between an unmoderated and a moderated list.  You would be, in
effect. say that this is an unmoderated list but it has rules and if you
persist in violating them you will be taken off.

        I also think that you should do something about the stress you are
under.  I don't want to air your problems in public, but it sounds as if things
are pressing in on you a bit.  We all like you and wish you well, Val.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@SNYESCVA.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:23:06 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: abuse of office
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:07:25 CDT fred said:
>Isn't it amazing that the state department could process an alleged
>request from a reporter for Clinton's travel agenda as a graduate
>student yet we cannot find out anything about Reagan/Bush activities
>in government because it might compromise national security? Many
>requests under the freedom of information act take months or years to
>process and often involve court battles prior to the release of any
>information. What makes this case special?

Since you've cited national security, could you explain how Clinton's
travel activities twenty years ago would compromise national security?

>Let's have equal access to information. I would like to see some
>diplomatic communiques dealing with Iran/Contra and economic aid
>to Iraq during the past 12 years. How do we know that dan quayle
>wasn't meeting with members of the cocaine cartel when he was in
>south america? The american people are entitled to straight forward
>answers on these questions.

Will you be as harsh in your outlook if/when Clinton is elected?
(or does his fecal material not stink to your nose?; i.e. is
 he incapable of doing the same thing(s) ?)


Remember:  gore Clinton in '92.

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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:26:00 GMT
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>I mean people being eaten and killed against their will.

        As opposed to being eaten and killed according to their will I guess.

                                        Chris Morrison
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Date: 16 Oct 92 19:20:36 GMT
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:59:31 -0400 Rick George said:

>As I said above, it was not clear from your post whether the first
>statement was entirely from the Trib or was a mixture of your beliefs
>and the Trib's beliefs.  And I thought that I was careful not to assume
>that it was your statement above.  Now that you've made it clear that
>your were repeating something that was in the newspaper, I repeat my
>original statement:  To say that Simpson "probably" got the job
>because she is a "minority female news anchor" needs substantiation.  If
>some people get jobs because they are minority females, it doesn't
>mean that all minority females get their jobs because they are minority
>females.  What proof did the Trib offer to their so-called speculation?

They didn't. It was speculation.

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From: BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE (james p mcbride)
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Subject: Re: the kErry tickEt
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:08:11 GMT
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              15 Oct 1992 07:26:27 -0500 from <CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU>

On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:26:27 -0500 VALENTINE M. SMITH said:
>
>                The DuNcaN/ValeNtiN ticket is great - a non-drinker and a
>drinker, older and younger, male and female, solid on shoes AND beer, what
>more could you ask for? VMS

I wonder if I could ask the candidates what their views were on the last
series of the Cosby Show.  I need to know just what sort of taste in tv
program my virtual vote is going towards.....

james p mc bride
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From: gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GARY PHILIP NEWHART)
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Subject: re: VETO POWER-NOW AND IN NOVEMBER
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:49:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Let's hope Camelot 2 is not going to be in power. The Kennedy years were not
so terrific(sp). The Bay of Pigs, the erection of the Berlin Wall, the
escalation in Vietnam..... Let us get on with a new era, this is not the time
for a blundersome neophyte to be in the the leadership role. Nor is the time
ripe for old habits to be in leadership.
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We're still here!

Fred Norouzian
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        Cheer up, at least I didn't say you were probably suffering from PMS.

                                                Chris
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:30:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: post-debate reaction: yes, my spirit is snoring!

        I worked too but got hold of a boom box with shortwave, so I was able
to catch the debate on the Voice of America.  You didn't miss much if you heard
the Perot lines about the ears and the lack of experience and the Bush and
Clinton exchange about the demonstrations and the role of Prescott Bush.  I
thought Bush was trying to take the low road and failing, something like an
uncoordinated pickpocket.  I thought Clinton did pretty well, better than
he needed to.  I expect that there will be exerpts in the NYT.  I would have
taped it but my tapes didn't work.  Sorry!

                                        Chris Morrison
300 flaming messages or better today!
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Subject: Re: Guns, Freud, and Psychology
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:16:00 GMT
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        Freud also said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar (like when he
was smoking one).  If he had owned a gun, he would most likely have thought
that was normal too.  Or he would have owned a gun because he thought it was
normal.

        Did any of you hear the story about how he was in Austria when it was
occupied?  Before they let him leave they made him write a note to say he
hadn't been mistreated.  He wrote as follows:  I am happy to give the
Gestapo my heartiest recommendation.  It is reported that they didn't get
the joke at all.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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>>>>>Yesterday's Trib said she was the first minority female news anchor in
>>>>>Chicago and this was probably why she was given the job...
>
>[STUFF DELETED]
>
>>It really doesn't matter whether such things occur.  What matters is
>>that either the Trib or you (I can't tell whose belief it it from the
>>way you've written it) made the unsupported statement that Simpson
>>probably got her job because she belongs to a minority group.  If
>>someone is given a job because of a trait, it doesn't follow that all
>>people who have that trait got their jobs that way.
>
>You've lost me somewhere.  Can you show me where I said that because
>she might have (or because someone else might have) received a preference
>because of a minority trait (whether it's because she's female,
>African-American, etc.) that everyone in similar situations does as well?
>
>I only reported the speculation on the part of the paper.  I think you are
>trying to (and failing miserably) r|e|a|d|b|e|t|w|e|e|n|t|h|e|l|i|n|e|s|.|
>
>MacPhil

As I said above, it was not clear from your post whether the first
statement was entirely from the Trib or was a mixture of your beliefs
and the Trib's beliefs.  And I thought that I was careful not to assume
that it was your statement above.  Now that you've made it clear that
your were repeating something that was in the newspaper, I repeat my
original statement:  To say that Simpson "probably" got the job
because she is a "minority female news anchor" needs substantiation.  If
some people get jobs because they are minority females, it doesn't
mean that all minority females get their jobs because they are minority
females.  What proof did the Trib offer to their so-called speculation?

...Rick
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:39:00 CST
From:         HIGHLANDER <940253JT@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU>
Subject:      FEAR? TO RESTORE ORDER?
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	Wait a sec..... sometimes violence must be used to instill fear..
and through that fear order can be restored?

	Fear is a tool of tyranny.. a weapon of the powerful to subjugate
the weak.  The use of fear has NO place in a democracy, or in ANY
government that claims to be in place for the benefit of the people.
	A government requiring fear to maintain power is a government
that is running at the expense of the people, otherwise fear would not be
needed.
	Violence is much the same issue.  You seem to be suggesting
that governments use violence on their own people to maintain order.  Is
this really what you meant?  A government for the people has no need
for internal violence.

	Could you clarify just what you meant by your statement?  I can't
believe you meant it exactly as it sounded.


	"Major flaws in government arise from a fear of making radical
	 internal changes..even when the need is clearly seen."
						-Frank Herbert


					Time to put Bush out to pasture..

							J.T.
From: BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE (james p mcbride)
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              14 Oct 1992 19:29:50 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU>

On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:29:50 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:
>
>Kerry
>or is that Chiarraighe? :)

Close.  The spelling is probably different in other parts of the country,
but in Donegal we spell it Chiarrai

seamus p mac giolla bhride
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From:         ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET
Subject: Drats! Foiled Again

Well, I managed to download a batch of archive files from the listserv.
Unfortuantely, my system won't let me actually _receive_ them in a form I can
read; the file far exceeds my account quota, so I can't get into them.

Unless anyone has any ideas, I suppose this ends my search for Jamie's
comments.  I would appreciate it if he would retract his insinuation that I
lied about him making the remarks in question, but I guess I really don't care
one way or the other since I know I'm right.

Gary: Thanks again for the info, even though it proved fruitless.

Jason
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Subject: Re: you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him admire
              the view
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:04:40 GMT
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Jimbo:
>>Who recently figured out that ANTHLAL stands for Anthropology Lab Anneliese
>>Lorson.
>
>Buzzzzzzzz.  Next contestant?

It obviously stands for a derivative of hoof-and-mouth disease that leads
those so inflicted with the ability to write fascinating stream-of-
consciousness that makes the rest of us jealous.

Kerry
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Date: 14 Oct 92 17:57:48 GMT
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>        I think Giuliani is a scumbag and if I were Abrams I wouldn't want
>his endorsement even if he were a Dem.  I heard (undocumented) that when they
>had the police riot over the civilian review board, he went down and egged
>them on, no doubt he would like to run for senator against Moynihan, or maybe
>governor or mayor, but whatever he does it will be from the far right.
>
>        But I also think that Abrams does owe an apology for those remarks.
>He should apologize to the family of Goebbels for associating his name with
>D'Amato's.
>
>                                                Chris Morrison


Tell us what you really think, Chris!

While Giuliani doesn't get tossed into my scumbag category, I think he
really blew it with his conduct in the police riots.  (For those of
you who missed them, a week or two ago serveral hundred off-duty NYC
policemen "demonstrated" against Mayor Dinkins's (Dinkins the Pinkins
to Mr. Grace) plan to have an all-civilian review board for complaints
against the police.  The demonstration got a little/a lot (take your
pick) out of hand and we were treated to the image of a crowd of
off-duty cops chanting things like "nigger" at the mayor of New York.
Giuliani was, at the least, supportive of the police (at the worst, as
Chris said, he egged them on)).  While Rudy may have cemented the
cop vote with his actions, he clearly lost a lot of support among
the black community.  You will recall that it was the almost
unanimous support of black voters that got Dinkins elected and kept
Giuliani from being the first Republican mayor of New York since
Lindsay.  Rudy is expected to challenge Dinkins again and, if those
are his plans, he should be smart enough not to turn whatever black
support he has against him.

...Rick
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Date: 13 Oct 92 17:02:00 GMT
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        I really get sick of talk about rights of criminal versus victim.
What we are talking about is rights of criminal defendant versus victim.
Also rights of both as human beings.

        I don't know how many of you have been following the local Middletown
serial murder case.  This guy lived like an animal for a long time, hearing
voices and such, wasn't so much tolerated as ignored.  Now that he has
killed a number of women and young girls, people want him electrocuted.
It might have been better to have him put in a mental hospital at an earlier
time, that would have protected his victims as well as him.

                                                Chris Morrison
                                                CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Subject:      Editors

Hello,
I am still in the learning process of data communication. I've got a vax.vms
system here. Can I edit letters? How is it done? Can I pull quotes from letters?
I'd greatly appreciate any help you listers could offer. Thanks
Lance
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Subject:      Re: _Wings of Eagles_

>John Jay Hooker

Just so long as it wasn't John Lee Hooker.

                                        Chris Morrison
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:13:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: History of POLITICS ...

        >A person named Bill Sklar would probably know the rest, but as
>this individual was in the process of changing his entire life, including
name and other things, I am not sure if this person is still around to
answer questions.                                       ---Val

This sounds intriguing.  Could be a witness protection program, a sex change
operation, a disappearance a la Jimmy Hoffa, or maybe abducted by aliens
a la Elvis.

                                        Chris Morrison
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:04:10 -0400
From:         "Alexander saw the breath of his domain and wept for there were
              no more worlds to conquer" <STUSTARNES@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No joke!

I must say I whole heartedly approve of your efforts. How could anyone object
to broading the horizons of others and in turn have their horizons broadened?
(ALERT: The previous message was a loaded question. Damn my logic instructor
would be proud.) Anyway, Yea I say go for it.

                                                Somebody else's,

                                                Richard Starnes
From: TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET (Travis Kidd)
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Subject: Hey Mike McCarthy...
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:43:00 GMT
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Send me a copy of that exam.
-Travis
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:21:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Evils?

The Lesser or Two Evils is Still Evil.

Winston Churchill.     I think this is what he says.

                                                Chris Morrison
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