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From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Ethiopian Exhumations
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:26:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700293:000:2229
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 28 13:26:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Ethiopian Exhumations

/* Written 12:18 pm  Jul 28, 1992 by hrcoord in cdp:ai.general */
SAY
June 1992

ETHIOPIA: EXHUMATION OF VICTIMS OF "DISAPPEARANCE" AND EXTRAJUDICIAL
EXECUTIONS

The bodies of thousands of victims of extrajudicial executions committed
by the former Mengistu Government, overthrown a year ago, have been
recently exhumed in Ethiopia.

The bodies so far recovered include those of four victims of
"disappearances" who cases had been taken up by Amnesty International:
they were exhumed with about thirty other bodies from a secret burial
site, an expropriated villa near Addis Ababa used for secret 
detentions and killings under the Mengistu government. All four -
Reverend Gudina Tumsa, head of the Ethiopian Evangelical Mekane
Yesus Church, Abuna Theopilos, Patriarch of the Ethiopian Orthodox
Church, Kassa Wolde-Mariam, former Minister of Agriculture and
President of Addis Ababa University, and Haile Fide, former Chairman
of the Me'isone Central Committee - had "disappeared" in July 1979.

The Reverend Gudina Tumsa had been severely tortured and his limbs
were broken before he was killed.

Those exhumed also include former Emperor Haile Selassie, who was
murdered in 1975 and his body dumped under former President Mengistu's
office; thousands of victims of the official "Red Terror" campaign
of 1977-1978 who were killed all over the country; and 60 officials
and former officials who were summarily executed in November 1974
and buried in a mass grave in the Central Prison at Addis Ababa.

In some towns monuments have been erected to the victims of the
"Red Terror".

However, a year after President Mengistu Haile-Mariam's May 1991
ousting, no trials of those responsible for torture or killings has
opened, either in Ethiopia or Eritrea. The Special Prosecutor's
Office for prosecuting former officials (the creation of which was
announced in Addis Ababa in February 1992) has apparently not
started work.

Investigations by "Red Terror committees", public denunciations,
dismissals and arrests of former officials continue, bringing to
over 2,000 the number of those detained in Ethiopia in connection
with alleged human rights violations.
From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Murder of HIV+ Women in Burma
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:25:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700286:000:1280
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 27 14:25:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Murder of HIV+ Women in Burma

From @pucc.Princeton.EDU:SEASIA-L@MSU.BITNET Mon Jul 27 14:15:52 1992

Here's the whole news on the murdering of 25 Burmese women who were killed
after being deported from Thailand.

 TAZ, July 24th, 1992:
 Terre des Femmes reports that 25 HIV positive prostitutes
 have been executed through injections of potassium cyanide
 over the past months in Burma. Burmesian security forces
 are said to have tracked down the women after they had been
 freed from brothels in Thailand and were sent back to their
 villages in Burma says Terre des Femmes, pointing to press
 releases in Thailand and to reports by the ecumenical
 coalition on 3rd world sex tourism (Bangkok). According
 to the reports, most of the Burmese women had previously
 been abducted to brothels in Ranong, a city in Southern
 Thailand located on the border to Burma. There, the women
 had been forced to practice unprotected sexual intercourse
 without condoms.
 Terre des Femmes has meanwhile appealed to the German govern-
 ment to direct a note of protest to the Burmese government
 against the internment and murdering of HIV positive girls
 and women. Thailand was asked to retreat from its practice
 of deportation to Burma.
Xref: sparky soc.rights.human:2702 misc.legal:14958 alt.activism:13600
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:20:47 GMT

In <1992Jul28.161758.24538@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:

>In article <dfs.712330561@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>#In <1992Jul28.014100.885@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>#Of course I have.  But I bet that the vast majority of Americans have
>#*never* imagined in their wildest dreams that their constitution could
>#possibly be flawed.

>Yea, of course. We are all dumb bumfucks who don't know of the 27
>amendments. 

Touchy, aren't we?

I guess that proves my point. :-)

(Relax, count to 10 before flaming back... :-))

--
David F. Skoll
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Eire, Ireland? (Was Re: Separation vs. integration)
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:45:42 GMT
	<1992Jul27.135230.16425@dscomsf.desy.de>
	<1992Jul27.184656.4543@news.nd.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 18:46:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.184656.4543@news.nd.edu> ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

   I don't know anyone who mixes up Iraq and Iran, but using imperial
   arrogance to twist a Gaelic word for the entire island, as a word in
   English for the free state is something quite offensive to Irish people,
   amny more of whom have corrected you.

OK, we definitely can't use "Eire".  But we also can't use "Ireland", because
it's ambiguous (it could equally refer to the 26 or to the 32 counties).
Could someone please suggest an unambiguous and inoffensive word for the 26
counties?
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,misc.legal,alt.activism
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:41:00 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <dfs.712285394@data> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
#I realize that you can make arguments against hate crime statutes
#based on the American Constitution.  That just shows that perhaps
#the Constitution or its interpretation may be flawed.

Oh really? And did you ever consider that maybe hate crime statues are
flawed? 

--
-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
 USPS Mail:     Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA
 Internet:      gsh7w@virginia.edu  
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Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,misc.legal,alt.activism
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:56:39 GMT

In <113-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> covici@ccs.covici.com (John
Covici) writes:

>I thought a bit of sanity would be helpful on the subject of ADL /
>"hate crimes".  As can be seen in the article, these people don't 
>care for the first amendment at all!

>From Our European Bureau 

What newspaper is this?

>WIESBADEN, July 13 (EIRNS)--At a
>gargantuan event in Brussels last week,
>the World Jewish Congress, under the
>baton of Seagrams bootlegging heir
>Edgar Bronfman, brought together ...

What international news agency refers to Bronfman as a "Bootlegging heir"?

Is this from "Spotlight" or something??

--
David F. Skoll
From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: KL Refuses Asylum For 43 Acehnese
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:01:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700284:000:1992
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 27 12:01:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: KL Refuses Asylum For 43 Acehnese

/* Written 11:29 pm  Jul 26, 1992 by gn:tapol in cdp:reg.indonesia */
No asylum in Malaysia for 43

Source: The Straits Times/AFP
Date: 23 July 1992
Dateline: Kuala Lumpur

[What this report fails to record is that the 43 have been
issued UNHCR Refugee Identity Cards, meaning that Malaysia is
in breach of its responsibility to recognise their status as
refugees.]


NO ASYLUM FOR 43 ACEHNESE IN UN OFFICE, SAYS GHAFAR

Malaysia announced yesterday that it would not give asylum to
a group of Acehnese holed up in a United Nations office here
since last month after fleeing Indonesia alleging government
atrocities.

Deputy Prime Minister Ghafar Baba said Malaysia was instead
trying to persuade the group, comprising 25 men, five women
and 13 children, to return home.

"We have assurances from Indonesia that they can return home
safely," he told a news conference here.

He said the question of granting asylum did not arise "as we
have no reason to believe the situation is that bad in
Indonesia".

The Acehnese took refuge in the United Nations High Commission
for Refugees building last month, refusing to budge till they
were recognised as political refugees and given asylum.

They are believed to be part of more than 400 Acehnese who
fled to Kuala Lumpur last year to allegedly escape Indonesian
troops out to stifle the Aceh Merdeka (Free Aceh) Movement.

Mr Ghafar said, however, that no time frame had been set for
the repatriation of the group.

According to Aceh Merdeka officials, hundreds of Acehnese have
been arrested and imprisoned without trial while others have
been tortured and executed for supporting the movement to free
the north Sumatran province from Indonesia.

Malaysia decided last year that the Acehnese would be
repatriated. Officials said that although they had captured
most of the 400 who landed here and persuaded some to return
home, no one was forcibly repatriated.
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:36:01 GMT

In <1992Jul28.014100.885@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:

>Oh really? And did you ever consider that maybe hate crime statues are
>flawed? 

Of course I have.  But I bet that the vast majority of Americans have
*never* imagined in their wildest dreams that their constitution could
possibly be flawed.

--
David F. Skoll
Xref: sparky soc.rights.human:2763 misc.legal:15180 alt.activism:13733 alt.censorship:6481
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,misc.legal,alt.activism,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: [soc.rights.human] Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:47:27 GMT
Organization: Dept of CS Ball State University Muncie In

In article <1992Jul29.160508.14509@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>
>
>--
>Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Oh yeah?  Well same to you buddy....
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:38 PDT
Subject: BOYCOTT:SnapCrackle&Pop's ProfitSea
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700258:000:2759
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 24 10:38:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: BOYCOTT:SnapCrackle&Pop's ProfitSea

/* Written 12:51 pm  Jul 22, 1992 by x91stockman@gw.wmich.edu in
cdp:misc.activism. */

			    Snap, Crackle, and Pop
		 have Blood on their hands and dollars in their
		 Eyes.

by Dan Stockman X91STOCKMAN@gw.wmich.edu
************************

	July 13, 1992 the Associated Press reported that Kellogg
Co., the world's largest cereal manufacturer is planning to expand
operations in China.  Apparently, in the company's Battle Creek,
Michigan headquaters, the executives made what was for them a very
simple decision - dollars over everything.
	Thanks to George Bush, our kinder gentler corporations are
free to do business with harsher, bloodier governments without
fear of sanctions or even reprisal.
	Was Tiennemen Square that long ago? Aren't dissidents
still being held for participating? Aren't hundreds of
demonstrators in hiding or exile? Did we forget the executions
following the massacure?
	The argument that increased trade will encourage change
and bring about reform are an outright lie designed to hide the
real reason for ever doing business with a murderous opressive
regime. Most favored nation status brings about and encourages
nothing but profits. There is no other gain whatsoever. In fact,
those are the same tired arguments that Reagan tried to push on
the American people with South Africa. Encourage change and bring
about reform translate to "smokescreen" and "make bundles of $$
under the table."
	Do you think that the lone Chinese student staring down a
column of tanks will see change because of Tony the Tiger? Will
the hundreds run over by those tanks later be memorialized by Snap
Crackle & Pop? The Chinese government as well as Kellogg's stand
to make hundreds of millions of dollars on this deal. Kellogg
claims to be increasing  their reach from 800 million people to
1.8 billion people. They reported a profit of $606 million on
sales of $5.8 billion last year. With the dirt wages they'll be
more than willing to pay in China, thier increase in profit will
be exponential.
	Their is another possibility, however. Imagine a headline
reading "Kellogg drops plans for plants in China" or "Kellogg
responds to boycott - drops plans". These possibilities are not
pipe dreams. Picture again the image of a very lonely looking
Chinese student, refusing to move from the path of a column of
tanks. One student stopped a row of machines of unimaginable
power.  All it takes is you to say, I will not buy a product from
a company that puts dollars over innocent blood. I will not back a
company that puts profits over human rights. I will not fall
victim to the ignorance the Bush administration would have me
believe.  All it takes is you.

Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,misc.legal,alt.activism
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:28:59 GMT

In article <118-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> covici@ccs.covici.com writes:

#by a heated discussion among the youths about the movie
#``Mississippi Burning''--an inflammatory and fraudulent
#propaganda piece produced on behalf of the ADL by
#Hollywood to support the hate crimes statutes. 

Sounds like a truckload of crap to me.

#From Executive Intelligence Review V19, #30.

I would really appriciate if someone would post more on the
organization behind these articles.

-Danny Keren.
From: Steve.Crocker@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:07:04 GMT

The posted article in question was attributed to EIRNS. This is the
Executive Intelligence Review News Service which is affiliated with
the Lyndon LaRouche organization. It is not surprising that they take
the tone they do regarding the Bronfman family, as he LaRouche
people are long-standing political foes of the Bronfmans. The 
characterization "bootlegging heirs" has some claim to accuracy, at
least to the best of my understanding. I believe that a significant
portion of the Bronfman family wealth is the result of liquor sold
illegally accross the Detroit River during prohibition. Whether the
Bronfmans were in fact smugglers, or merely dealt with smugglers, I am
not aware.

-Steve
P.S. any Email response should go to aq817@Cleveland.Freenet.edu
rather than the address shown in the header.


--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:37 PDT
Subject: Amnesty blasts Syria.
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700263:000:2622
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 25 11:37:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Amnesty blasts Syria.

/* Written  9:56 pm  Jul 22, 1992 by elie@hdtv.njit.edu in
cdp:soc.culture.le */

   LONDON (AP) -- Syrian authorities continue to hold and torture
thousands of political prisoners without charge or trial, Amnesty
International charged Wednesday.
   In a report titled "Syria: Indefinite Political Imprisonment,"
the international human rights group accused Syrian leaders of
abusing emergency legislation to imprison political opponents.
   It said the report was based on interviews with released
political detainees who told of routine punishments that included
beatings on the soles of feet and being hung from a tire and
beaten with sticks and wires.
   Last December and March, the Syrian government announced that
it planned to release approximately 3,400 political prisoners. It
has freed about 2,000 so far, but has detained hundreds more
people, Amnesty International said.
  "We hoped earlier this year that Syria was beginning to right
past wrongs and that international law would at last be
respected," the group said. "But despite recent releases,
political suspects continue to be arrested ... prisoners of
conscience remain locked up ... torture is still rife."
   A Syrian Embassy spokeswoman, who refused to give her name,
   said no one was available to comment on Amnesty International's
charges.
   Syria's emergency legislation -- which dates to 1963, when the
Arab Baath Socialist party took power -- allows for indefinite
detention without charge or trial. Sixteen former government and
Baath members remain in prison for opposing the 1970 coup that
installed Hafez Assad as president.
  Most of those detained by Syria's military intelligence or
political security officials have been tortured at some point,
according to the testimony of released detainees, Amnesty
International said.
   Among the most recent to die in custody was Munir al-Ahmad, a
60-year-old poet and journalist who was arrested last year after
returning from a trip to Switzerland where he reportedly
criticized the Syrian government.
  Syria has not provided details on the circumstances of his death
in January that were requested by Amnesty International, the
report said.
   The report also documented cases of at least six men who
continue to be held in prison beyond their sentences.
   Among them is a former Syrian army intelligence officer, Khalil
Brayez, 59, who was abducted in 1971 from Lebanon, where he
published two books criticizing Syrian military performance in the
1967 Arab-Israeli war. The author was due to be released in 1985.
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:14:24 GMT

In article <f64l02C81bt601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.012804.28002@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) 
>writes:
>> As a lawyer, I have no trouble imagining a fact situation in which a
>> fictional work of art could be fraudulent. Imagine a case in which the 
>> movie company misrepresented the nature of the film (by, for example,
>> touting it as an accurate presentation of FBI's role in the civil-rights
>> struggle in the South) in order to induce you to buy a ticket to see it.
> 
>In that example, the film is not fraudulent; rather, the statements touting 
>it as realistic are fraudulent.

Hey, Terry, what if it's part of a scheme to defraud? (More than one use
of "fraudulent" to draw upon.)


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a law-
mnemonic@eff.org | breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every
(617) 864-0665   | man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy."
EFF, Cambridge   |         --Brandeis, J., dissenting in Olmstead v. U.S.
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Eire, Ireland? (Was Re: Separation vs. integration)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:13:49 GMT

From article <1992Jul28.154733.19697@rdg.dec.com>, by spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ():
> --
> In article <CC.92Jul28094542@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
> 
> |>OK, we definitely can't use "Eire".  But we also can't use "Ireland", because
> |>it's ambiguous (it could equally refer to the 26 or to the 32 counties).
> |>Could someone please suggest an unambiguous and inoffensive word for the 26
> |>counties?
> 
> OK lets refer to this country as Fred.  :-) :-)
> 

No! Fred has implications of being down market, it should be Fredrick!

															GW

Xref: sparky soc.rights.human:2760 misc.legal:15165 alt.activism:13727
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,misc.legal,alt.activism
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Jul30.031424.6553@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) 
writes:
> In article <f64l02C81bt601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 
> (Terry Carroll) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul28.012804.28002@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike 
Godwin) 
> >writes:
> >> As a lawyer, I have no trouble imagining a fact situation in which a
> >> fictional work of art could be fraudulent. Imagine a case in which the 
> >> movie company misrepresented the nature of the film (by, for example,
> >> touting it as an accurate presentation of FBI's role in the civil-rights
> >> struggle in the South) in order to induce you to buy a ticket to see it.
> > 
> >In that example, the film is not fraudulent; rather, the statements 
touting 
> >it as realistic are fraudulent.
> 
> Hey, Terry, what if it's part of a scheme to defraud? (More than one use
> of "fraudulent" to draw upon.)

With that added fact, yeah, I'd buy that.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.