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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: SASOL (F1 : Politics)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:37:19 GMT

	I would like to thank everyone for their responses to my
questions about SASOL. I had forgotten about the embargo on South
Africa, which brings everything into a better perspective. 

TOBY...

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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Desmo Debut Delayed
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:47:17 GMT

Apparently the new Nissan 3.5l V12, currently being tested in their new
WSC prototype, has a "desmo" valve setup.

Doigman
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From: john@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (John Ernst)
Subject: What was the big TNN Announcement?
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:55:23 GMT

On the early edition of Raceday, Pat Patterson said there was big news 
coming in the late edition @ 8:30. Unfortunately, I missed it. Can anyone 
fill me in to what was announced?



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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Will ESPN rebroadcast Portugal?
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:07:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCvw6.CLx
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kim@unix.cc.emory.edu (Kim Wallen) writes:

>Is there a rebroadcast of the Portugal F1 race scheduled on ESPN?

	The re-broadcast is Sept 30, at 3:30 am.

>Thanks

>Kim


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TOBY...
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From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:15:29 GMT

In article <92272.170700A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> writes:
>Well, as I've said twice before (last week and a month ago),
>I still think that it is because of Prost, that Mansell left
>Williams.  I'm sure that Prost has claimed to be the first
>Williams driver, and Mansell did not want to be second.
> 
>This explains Mansell nodding his head off, when Senna was angry
>at Prost in the post race interview in Portugal.
>(Senna said: Prost only wants to run the 100 meters sprint when
>he is on running shoes and all others are on lead shoes.)
> 
>Frans (a735fjo@hasara11.bitnet)

actually, mansell quit because he's evidently a whining
malcontented baby.  the fact that he can't tolerate teaming 
with a driver that might beat him.  he "wasn't being
treated like a world champion..." when williams ignored him
for a couple of weeks...what a tremendous load of manure.

fact is, he thinks a lot more of himself than the rest of
the team does.  where he made a terrible mistake was in
not acknowledging the tremendous engineering feat his team
pulled off in building a car that can tolerate his punishment
as well as perform far and away better than all the competition.
his mistake was he thought it was all his doing.  all ol'
nige had to do all year was to be on guard against that
brain fade, and drive like an orangutan on amphetamines.

as if williams OWES him some special dispensation when every
driver in the world is clamoring for a seat with them!  how
unbelievably smug!

and to think he passed up the opportunity for back-to-back
championships for this...what an unbelievable dolt...brain
fade rears its ugly head again...i'm afraid it's incurable.

i was feeling pretty good about mansell winning until all
this stuff went down.  maybe paul newman will be more interested
in tucking him in at night and telling him bedtime stories
than frank williams was.   who cares.  yawn.

personally, i can't wait to see senna's doors blown off by
michael andretti!  as for senna's comment above, you gotta
consider the source: the guy who's gonna take all his
toys and go home unless he gets the fastest ride has the
audacity to make those kind of comments?!  perhaps he and
nigel can open up a charm school together after they retire.

duane


PS: alain prost - 1993 world driving champion!!!!   are you
    listening, my dear little ayrton?  don't cry...perhaps
    there's a future for you selling used cars in rio...
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: More Rumours from Portugal, about Williams, McLaren
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:34:08 GMT

In <1992Sep28.120727.579@news.clarkson.edu> taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:

>From article <thos.717633232@suite.sw.oz.au>, by thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen):
>> Monseiur Oujeh (sp?) of TAG bought the Ligier team and has given their
>> supply of Renault engines to McLaren. If the Ligier team can come up
>> with a new supply of engines then they can race on. So, Ron Dennis's
>> boys now have power to equal the best.

>James Hunt on the BBC openly disagreed with Murray Walker on the question
>of engine power.  Hunt said that the Honda engine was more powerful.  He
>agreed with MW that the WIlliams aerodynamics, active ride and 
>gearbox were major contributors to Williams success.  Neither of
>them mentioned any contributions by the drivers which I thought was
>interesting.  Hunt went on to say that he did not think that Senna
>would be best pleased driving a Big Mac with an engine (Renault) that
>was down on power to what he drives now!

It's all relative. Honda may have a slight edge on power, but no one
has Honda engines next year. And in any case, Honda have only had any
advantage after the fuel rules were tightened, as the Elf brew was 
acknowledged to be the best.

Mind you, as Tim Donohue reminded me, the Renault engines that McLaren
are getting are one step behind those of Williams. However, as we've seen
a few RS4 engines die, while the RS3C/Ds were paragons of reliability, 
this may not necessarily be a bad thing.

Another thing from this is that it will be much more pleasant to drive
behind a McLaren from now on, as they won't be spraying out all the oil
they do now.


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From: bdd@kastle.cs.princeton.edu (Brandon Dixon)
Subject: Re: Racecar Engineering
Organization: Computer Science Department, Princeton University
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:30:59

How can I get a copy of this magazine?  I might be interested in a
subscription.
thanks
Brandon Dixon
bdd@cs.princeton.edu
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: AutoSport subscribers survey
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:14:09 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Over the last few months, my issues have been arriving at irregular
intervals.  For example, I received the Oct 1 issue today, Oct 5, and
the Sep 24 issue on Friday.  Less than two years ago, I used to receive
issues on Fridays, one day after the cover date.

If anyone out there understands the US Postal system and knows why these
kinds of delays can happen, or the worldwide postal system, please enlighten
me.  When I get my issues late, others in California get their issues late
too.  

I would like to start a survey to get an understanding of what should be
expected.  So if you subscribe to AutoSport, please let me know the 
following.  

SURVEY:

YOUR MAILING ADDRESS: <hometown,state or whatever,country>
WHO DO YOU SUBSCRIBE THROUGH: <for example in the US, is it EWA or AS direct>
WHEN DO YOU USUALLY RECEIVE ISSUES: <days after the cover date>
WHEN DID YOU RECEIVE THE SEP 24 ISSUE: <date>

If you can add information about the postal systems around the world, please
feel free to post.

PLEASE DO NOT POST YOUR ANSWERS TO THE SURVEY TO THE NET, email them to
me at danjones@pyramid.com.  Also, please include "autosport" in the
subject.  I will compile and post the results.

Dan Jones
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Help/advice needed
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: or
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:51:15 GMT

Need some local advice/help from some computer experts.

Finally got my new home PC.  Am running windows, of course,
and picked up MS Publisher to hack out my newsletters, biz
letters, etc.

Now my question - Where can I go to get my KFXX/PITSTOP logo
scanned or whatever into a clipart type of deal, so I can
use it on whatever I'm doing.

Any help would be appreciated.  I only draw the things, and
never have professed to be an expert.

bob

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From: fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Tracy L. Brooks)
Subject: NASCAR Holly Farms 400 from North Wilkesboro
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:57:57 GMT

After the second rain delay in a row for NASCAR, the Holly Farms 400 has
finally been completed.  The top finishers are below: 

1.  Geoff Bodine (2nd win in a row)
2.  Mark Martin (only other car on lead lap)
3.  Kyle Petty
4.  Rusty Wallace
5.  Sterling Marlin
6.  Ernie Irvan
7.  Brent Bodine

11.  Davey Allison
12.  Alan Kulwuki

26.  Bill Elliott

Bill Elliott now leads the points race with 3575pts., Davey Allison
3508pts., and Alan Kulwuki with 3431pts.

The race was a record caution free event with an average speed of
107.361mph.  Only 1 car failed to finish (Jeff Purvis).

Ford won their first manufacturer championship since 1969.


Later,

Tracy Brooks


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From: phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil DNM44)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: phil@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 92Oct1094010@deakin.anu.edu.au, bls101@deakin.anu.edu.au (Barbara La Scala) writes:
##> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:

:: stuff deleted ...

##As for Prost vetoing Mansell, does anyone know what started this rumour?
##The Senna veto seems to be pretty much an accepted fact but this Mansell
##veto is a new one to me.  If it is true that Prost vetoed Mansell, and I've
##not read anything to support this claim so far, then I can see no other
##explanation than he wanted to avoid fair competition within the team, which
##is very disappointing.  Does anyone have any facts on this matter?
##
##Barbara


i don't know where it started from, but ayrton did state that  prost
had in fact vetoed both 'me and himself' while waving a thumb at
nigel.  this was in the bbc post-race interview after estoril... only
shown in the highlights, as they ran out of satelite time :-)

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From: bls101@deakin.anu.edu.au (Barbara La Scala)
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Organization: Australian National University
	<1992Sep29.151529.14051@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
	<1992Sep30.032347.25557@ascii.co.jp>
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:40:10

> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:

>> duane write:
>>
>> PS: alain prost - 1993 world driving champion!!!!   are you
>> listening, my dear little ayrton?  don't cry...perhaps
>> there's a future for you selling used cars in rio...

> Alain Prost will be a pseudo-champion. He does not have
> confidence in himself so vetoed both Mansell and Senna.
> What is the meaning of this title gained by a coward like that?

I think claiming that Alain Prost is a coward and would only be a
pseudo-champion is a little harsh.  For him to veto Senna is entirely
understandable.  Senna isn't just a rival he is a rival who, on his own
admission, deliberately crashed into Prost in an attempt to prevent him
from winning the world championship.  It seems to me that not wanting Senna
in the same team isn't a matter of wanting to avoid competition but a
matter of wanting to avoid downright dangerous competition!  I'm certainly
not going to condemn him for that.

As for Prost vetoing Mansell, does anyone know what started this rumour?
The Senna veto seems to be pretty much an accepted fact but this Mansell
veto is a new one to me.  If it is true that Prost vetoed Mansell, and I've
not read anything to support this claim so far, then I can see no other
explanation than he wanted to avoid fair competition within the team, which
is very disappointing.  Does anyone have any facts on this matter?

Barbara
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From: trevc@sal.reading.sgi.com (Trevor Cotton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:23:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <UEMURA.92Oct2192352@ashura.isl.melco.co.jp>, uemura@isl.melco.co.jp (Joe Uemura) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct2.083606.25815@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
|> 
|>  |In article <9210011257.AA03735@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>,
|>  |Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|>  ||> You may well know but Prosty went faster than anyone before at Estoril
|>  ||> yesterday. 1m 16.28 secs.
|>  |
|>  |This time was clocked on September 30.
|>  |
|>  |On October 1, Williams test driver Damon Hill clocked 1:14:19 to top
|>  |the list, while Prost was 2nd best at 1:14:83.  (Blundell was 3rd in
|>  |a McLaren with Schumacher 4th in the 1:16 bracket.  Sorry, but I don't
|>  |remember their exact times off the top of my head.)
|> 
|> But wasn't Mansell's pp time during qualifying around 1:13:1? If I recall
|> correctly, Patrese also clocked in the 1:13 bracket so both Prost's and Damon's
|> times do not seem that spectacular to me. Of course, course conditions
|> do affect times.... Just a curiosity, how fast do you think Senna would go
|> on a Williams at Estoril? Wouldn't be great if they just give him a test
|> run so people could get an idea of what he'd be like on a Williams? 
|> 
|> Joe

According to Motoring News, all the testing was going to be done with the
new 15" Goodyears to start the preparation for the 1993 rules -
that was the purpose of the test and explains the times.

-- 
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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Sep29.165136.17470
Organization: clearer than blir


Nigel Roebuck's article on this week's Autoweek (and presumably Autosport)
points the finger at $$$$.  Lots of internal sources quoted.  Overall the
other Nige thinks that Nige's ego is too big as well.

eliot
From: pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: *** Design Logic Faults ***
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:45:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.6894

In article <1168@racerx.bridge.COM> james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)  
writes:
> In article <6842@transfer.stratus.com> pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul  
Ryan) writes:
> >Having the fan run when the engine is off (but hot) doesn't do too much  
> >good because it cools the water in the radiator, but the water pump is  
not  
> >operating so the only way for the engine to cool is via convection.
> 
> Actually, this is untrue, for the very reasons you mention :-) When the
> water in the radiator is hotter than the ambient temperature, a
> convection roll forms, forcing the water to flow (albeit at a fairly
> slow rate) through the engine. The greater the difference between the
> water and ambient temperatures, the faster the flow.

It's true there is some flow, but nothing too comforting. Check your temp  
gauge the next hot day after the car has sat awhile. It doesn't cool off  
that fast. The thermostat being closed a lot doesn't help things.
> 
> A number of early cars, and a few post-WWII European cars used this
> "thermo-siphon" effect as the sole means of cooling. No water pump
> was used. I'm not sure, but I think the Model T didn't have a water
> pump, for instance.
> -- 
Yes, Henry Ford tried to eliminate the water pump for years (to save  
money) but finally had to give up and use them...
From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Buick out of IndyCar?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:36:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

I think Bernstein is looking elsewhere (ford) for engines.
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: When is Nigel's ESPN interview?
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:09:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

According to AutoSport, ESPN (Varsha) is to have an interview with
Nigel this week.  Does anyone know when?

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Sauber (was: New F1 Awareness)
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:42:14 GMT

In <1992Sep28.164147.5949@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:

[...stuff deleted...]

>As for the Ilmor, I don't know. In any
>case, the Ilmor-powered Tyrrells do not seem to be slower than last years
>Honda V10 powered ones ...

Sauber are using a completely new Ilmor V10 next year.

Doigman.
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From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:25:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Built in jacks
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

I don't know about open-wheelers but the Cobra Daytona had built in jacks.

Bob.
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Sep24.162937.24068@schbbs.mot.com> CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
>>Simple question, cuz' it was hard to tell from the cameras:
>
>>Did Chad Little move up on Kulwicki or did Alan turn in too
>>soon?
>>
>>cball
>
>Alan cut down too soon.  And Earnhardt got screwed over by "Crusty Wallace"

 Craig where are the smiley faces ??? I was at that race (4th turn, last row)
 and heard several radio comments from various drivers on my scanner. They all
 seemed to agree with your statement that Rusty was the cause of the wreck.

 I could not see it from my seat, however after talking to folks who were in
 the 1st turn seats. And watching yesterdays (9/27/92) Inside Winston Cup (on
 TNN) it looks like Ernie (#4) came down on Bret Bodine (#26). Rusty (#2) was
 on the bottom of #26 since he was making a pass to get back on the lead lap.
 One would have to guess that IWC takes their own cameras to the track because
 that footage (sp?) was not used by TNN in their broadcast of the race :-(.

 Its a real shame for it to happen at all, but thats racing. However lets try
 to place the blame where it appears to belong. And from this seat it looks
 like #4 is to catch it.

 -Dan

 PS: I am also a fan of Ernie, so theres no Ernie bashing here.
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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Johnny Herbert
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:59:48 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

A letter in Autosport from Richard Pascal, Dunblane, Scotland ...


If Johnny Herbert thinks he has any chance of making it to the top in 
Formula 1 he can think again.  The man is clearly living in the realms 
of fantasy.  How he ever expects to make it by behaving in a reasonable 
and responsible manner while driving F1, I just don't know.

Who does he think he is, referring to the public as 'People who come to 
watch,' and implying that they pay the wages ?  If he thinks he can sign 
a few autographs and speak to ordinary people, he can think again.

Everybody knows F1 stars are egotistical, bad tempered, spoilt individuals
who must not give a tinker's cuss for the 'low life' on the other side 
of the fence.  Before we know it, drivers will be admitting to making
mistakes or taking responsibility for accidents.

Come on FISA, ban this ridiculous jumped-up little tyke while you still can.  
After all it wouldn't do to have a genuine human being in F1, would it ?


[I think this probably needs a :-) for Usenet consumption]

			Andrew  Henry
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Superlicense requirements?
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:57:16 GMT


In article <1992Sep27.154834.18601@aber.ac.uk>,
apf8@aber.ac.uk (A-P (and his Hat)) writes:

[quoting from the rules for obtaining a superlicense]
|>
|>"Exceptionally, the F1 superlicence may also be issued to other
|>drivers whose record of results is judged sufficient by the For-
|>mula One Commission.
|>
|>"The driver's name will remain on the list for two years, if at
|>the end of this period he no longer fulfils the above criteria,
|>his case may be reviewed by the F1 Commission."
|>================================================================
|>
|>A 'delightful' fudge of strictness and vagueness dont you think?
|>Hope I've been of some help. :-)

Thanks for posting this.  Seems like perfectly reasonable rules to me.  You
automatically qualify for eligibility as a participant in international F3000
or as a champion of one of the premier national F3 series.  The exception clause
is precisely for cases such as Michael Andretti where you have a top-notch
driver, but he hasn't been in the series that automatically qualify you.

--PSW
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