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From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: Penguin Power Filters....
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:08:44 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Greetings...

     I was just wondering if anyone out there has had much experience with     
penguin power filters (the ones with the BioWheel and supposed wet/dry 
filtration).  I have a 20 gal. salt tank with 3 damselfish in it right now. 
The fish are doing fine, but the water is a bit cloudy and I plan to add some 
less hardy fish; I think there is a need for better filtration.  I can't 
really justify getting a *real* wet/dry trickle filter for just a 20 gal. tank.
Do penguins supply sufficient biological filtration?

Just wondering...
John              




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From: ijr@canard.uwaterloo.ca (Ilana Jayne Rosenshein)
Subject: Upside-down pleco
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:09:54 GMT

Hi folx,

I am having a small problem with my pleco.  He seems to have 
abandoned attaching himself to the walls of my tank, and now
seems to be "attaching" himself to the surface of the water.
He is basically floating upside-down, just at the water level.
Do any of you have any idea why?

Tank info:

10gal. , aquaclear mini,the water test ok.   
fish: 1 male swordtail,  3 neon tetras, a cardinal tetra
       1 pleco.
food: flake food once a day, lettuce for the pleco whenever he finishes
the previous bit.  

Thanx.


SMiles!

Ilana
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria,rec.aquaria
From: derrick@meaddata.com (Derrick Tatem)
Subject: FOR DENNIS BEDNAREK
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:48:51 GMT
Distribution: na

Dennis:
	I tried e-mailing this note to you, the Mail-Deamon couldn't
	find you...

       I currently have a pair that is spawning. Can you tell me where you
       got your live plants (Amazon Swords) from? I've seen many people
       mention Amazon Sword, but I can't find it in my local pet store.
       Do you have any suggestions on where I can get some from?
       Thanks.
       Oh by the way, my angels spawned for the 3rd time again. Many eggs.
       I covered the front of my tank with brown shopping bags. In two days
       the parents moved about 6 wiggling eggs to a new spot. They
       then ate them. I don't know if they ate them because they saw
       me looking at them and they got nervous. Do you happen to know
       the following.
       (1) Should I cover the front of the aquarium, since the angels are
           quite nervous and jumpy
       (2) Should I remove those wiggle eggs when I see them?
       (3) Any other information you can give, I'll appreciate it 
 
       Thanks in advance..







-- 
Derrick M. Tatem
Mead Data Central, Dayton, Ohio
Internet: derrick@meaddata.com
UUCP:     !uunet!meaddata!derrick
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Subject: Re: Kalkwasser (Kent Marine)
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:01:58 GMT

bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:


: What is Kalwasser?

: Dennis


Calcium enriched water (lime water)
--

Tom McCain 
tom@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
From: fvr@broom.bae.bellcore.com (Frank Ricciardi)
Subject: Re: Water Quality and City Water
Keywords: ph, water
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.013144.2689@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, montjoy@thor.ece.uc.edu (Robert Montjoy) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 1) What to do with a Hard alkaline City Water?
|> 
|>    PH 7.5(out of the tap). 
|>    Don't know the exact hardness but the water does leave
|>    the dreaded white crusts everywhere it evaporates. 
|> 
|>    The water is drawn from "deep artesian wells" , if that makes a
|>    difference.
|> 
|>    I am trying to setup a community tank. Soft water slightly acidic
|>    to neutral.
|> 

	First off, there is one thing you have to realize, hard water is hard
water. Whether it comes from wells or not!

	Most freshwater fish do not tolerate hard water. Especially Angels and 
Discus. Also water that is hard is almost always alkaline. Even if you add
soduim biphosphate to lower the Ph, it'll come right back up unless you soften 
the water.

	You can purchase water softening pillows from your local aquarium shop.
You put them in the filter basket for a day, then take them out and soak them 
in saline solution for a day to recharge them. I hear that if they are properly
cared for, they can be reused for quite some time.

	Once you get all the hardness out, the Ph will become manageable.



|> 
|> 2) Should I use a mixture of distilled water and City water? The distilled
|>    water I have tested has a PH around 6 - 6.2. 

	In addition to my salt tank, I keep assorted exotic goldfish in a 
20 gal. I have been giving them nothing but distilled water for over 2 years 
now, and I haven't had a death yet. (Knock Knock) Be careful with this approach,
because the distilled water tends to be quite acidic. (Around 6.6) or so.

|> 
|> 4) Finally, I have a sick Danio(has been for 3-Weeks). It is constantly
|>    laying on the bottom. It scratches itself(head mostly). Also, it
|>    swims with its body arched. Also, it appears that it is not eating. 
|>    We have treated the tank with Coppersafe and Maracyn II, but it did 
|>    not work.

	I assume you removed carbon and any other chemical agent removers from 
the filter while you medicated... Could be because of the water being hard, 
are any other fish displaying the same behaviour?  





|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Rob Montjoy                   		- Rob.Montjoy@UC.Edu
|> Computer Engineer    	      		- montjoy@ucbeh.BITNET
|> University of Cincinnati      		- montjoy@babbage.ece.uc.edu
|> Electrical and Computer Engineering	- uunet!uceng!rmontjoy
|> 
|> -- Standards are illusions of many faces.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
"If you got to it and didn't do it, may you never get to it, and do it again"


Frank V. Ricciardi

fvr@bae.bellcore.com
From: sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Help with cross posting
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:58:20 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Got the answer I needed. Thanks,
			Carl
Xref: sparky alt.aquaria:4593 rec.aquaria:6476
From: putzolu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (David Putzolu)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Nitrates - How long for filter to work? (Summary)
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:56:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.aquaria
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

After asking for some help with really high nitrates in a 40g marine
tank I received the following responses, which I am summarizing for
anyone else out there who is as ignorant as I am (was?) as well as
posting more questions.

1) Change the water - this is always obvious, and I have been, about
   two gallons a day. for the last 3 days. Would it more helpful
   if I changed more at longer intervals (like 10-15 gallons a week?)
2) Speed up my filter - I just plugged in a Fluval 303 with NitrateX
   in the bottom cannister.
3) Get rid of the UGF! Frank Ricciardi characterized it most
   humourously as a 'dirt magnet.' What about a RUGF? Could I
   perhaps plug the output of the fluval into one of the riser tubes
   (there are three) and perhaps plug in a couple of 301 powerheads
   into the others? Wouldn't this amount of flow in a 40 gallon
   tank bother the fish (see below)?

Here is the essential tank data:
40 gallon marine tank, 1.022 salinity, 78-82 deg F 
Ammonia: .05 PPM at most, probably zero
Nitrite:  basically zero
Nitrate: was 120, has dropped to 90 ppm (as measured by my test
   kit, so actual nitrate is 3* this?)
PH 8.5ish - substrate of ground coral probably doing this high pH?
Fish: 4 1.5" Damsels, 2 electric blue (chromis cerulea?) smooth tail
                      2 pale green (chromis chromis?) forked tail 
      1 Sailfin Tang (3" long) - Looks a lot like a sailfin surgeonfish
        in a book I have - is there such thing as a sailfin tang?
        This beastie has vertical stripes on the body, approx 5-7mm wide.
        Brown & white stripes, clear yellow tail.
      1 Fairly Basslet/Royal Gramma (Is there a difference?) 2.5 inches.
      1 Cleaner Wrasse (What is the sp.name?) - about 3.5 inches
      1 Hermit crab (sp.name?) - small. WHat about this guy? He molted
        recently, and there is brown and green algae on his shell.
        His eyes also look a bit cloudy - is this normal?
What about this combo of fish? They get along, but the Gramma can't
hold its own very well in terms of feeding speed. The hermit sometimes
doesn't get much at all, wouldn't a RUGF only decrease his food supply
more? 

That's enough from me for now. I read all of the old articles
that my newsserver had on the three *.aquaria groups I receive
here and must say I am _extremely_ impressed by the likes of
Oleg, Jamie, et al. Thanks for the help so far!

| David M. A. Putzolu               | putzolu@cs.ucdavis.edu            |
| Senior Undergraduate              | op disclaimer(opinion : ptr mine) |
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From: sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: Help with cross posting
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:26:56 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Would someone who knows how to cross post one message to all three
aquaria listings please offer instruction to this newby.
                       Thanks,
		              Carl
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
From: watts@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Christopher Watts)
Subject: Re: Earthworms
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:39:16 GMT


David,

	I have also read that if you put the earthworms in a container of water
for 24 hours, the earthworms will be ready to feed your fish.  Also the
earthworms will not drown!  Usually I just feed my cichlids the earthworms
straight out of the worm bed.  Maybe I should try cleaning them.

					Chris Watts
Xref: sparky alt.aquaria:4627 rec.aquaria:6546
From: IDBXS@ASUACAD.BITNET (Bryan Schreiber)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: pumps in homemade wet-dry filters?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:56:16 GMT
 <1992Aug17.121425.15687@walter.bellcore.com>
Organization: Arizona State University

I also use a 801 powerhead for my wet dry. It has worked fine for the past
2 years.


Bryan
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From: SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Water Quality and City Water
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:45:54 GMT
 <1992Aug18.135918.25634@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
 <1992Aug18.173930.19445@walter.bellcore.com>
 <1992Aug19.013320.957@Veritas.COM>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

I think this discussion has been very enlightning to me and I feel it shud
be added in the FAQ, If nobody minds I will collect all the stuff that has
been said and I shall e-mail it to the person concerned [dunno who it is,
but will find out soon :) ]

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
From: grendal@iat.holonet.net (Grendal)
Subject: Re: Kalkwasser (Kent Marine)
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:54:58 GMT

tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:
: 
: Does anyone who uses kalkwasser experience a ph fluctuation?  I just
: bought some Kent kalkwasser to try and a friend warned me against it
: because of ph fluctuation.  Opinions?
: --
I add kalwasser to my tank to replace evaporated water. The kalwasser
is added very gradually (its in an airtight container that has a line 
that just meets the surface of the water in the tank. As the water 
in the tank evaporates, air gets into the line and allows some 
kalwasser in). I don't don't usually see any pH fluctuation.

grendal@holonet.net
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From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Earthworms
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:01:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug12.203029.403@news.clarkson.edu> russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (David Russell) writes:
>  Just soliciting a discussion on feeding earth worms to your fish.
>
>I have a few cichlids who love them. Every now and then I put some
>in the fridge, in a container filled with grass. After a couple of
>days thier system is all cleared out and the dirt cleaned off. A
>quick rinse and it's feeding time. It is amazing how they fight
>over them. Nothing like watching a couple of Jewels playing Tug-o-War
>with a worm :-). Blah Blah Blah..... 

Ehh. I culture them indoors in an old styrofoam cooler 2/3 filled with dirt.
Everything goes crazy for them though for the small fish I have to cut
them up.
They're a wonderful cichlid aphrodisiac and put weight on small fish quickly.
I don't bother to clean them out - just rinse the dirt off, chop if
necessary and toss in. The african red wigglers seemingly tolerate a wide
range of temperatures and are smaller than the standard nightcrawlers, but
either can be cultivated indoors.
>
>What are your opinions on the subject.
>
>--
>David M. Russell, Mechanical Eng. Dept.
>Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY 13676
>(315) 268-9806 
>russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu


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From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Subject: Re: Establishing a Reef
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:24:06 GMT

shawn@Novell writes:


: 3 power heads inside tank for current in different directions.

: (I've tried, but can't figure a way to get a protein skimmer in this thing, 
: which I've been told over and over is very important)

Have you thought about a hand on the back type skimmer?  Amiracle
makes a decent one.  It basically just needs a air pump and a small
powerhead which it sounds like you have enough of.

: Nitrates are at a constant 20 to 30. and other tests come out at 0.  SG is 

Your nitrates may come down if you can get a skimmer going.

: What steps should I take to get to reef-ness? (lot's of live rock, plant 
: rock etc...)  Add all the live rock at once?  I really want some
: good advice because I've spent a fortune so far and want to have some
: results to show for it.

IMO, live rock certainly is a excellent choice but usually expensive.
Go for it if you can afford it.  I don't know about plant rock.  In my
experiences with plant rock, if your light is not intense enough the
macro algae will die off and this will just degrade the condition of
your tank for awhile....  You may also want to consider buying just
plain base rock and scrubbing it with a brush.  Rinse it off, put it
in your tank and allow it to get colonized with the bacteria in your
tank.  This would also keep the nitrogen cycle under control and would
not stress your filter as much especially since you do not have a
skimmer going.

: I've just recently had a few things die for no apparent reason (probably 
: light related).  One beautiful ($85) purple lipped clam died along with 

Tridacna clams are usually pretty hardy.  Did you notice if the mantle
started to loose it's color intensity before it died?  If it did it
probably wasn't getting enough light.  They are fairly dependent on
intense light to keep their zooxanthellae algae alive, which is one of
their main foods.  Also your tank may be too new for the clam, you may
not have enough planktonic organisms in your tank to support a clam. 
--

Tom McCain 
tom@ecn.purdue.edu
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From: erik@marge.phys.washington.edu (Erik D. Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Shark questions
Keywords: shark
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:13:50 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Ray Labratory, University of Washington

>In article <1992Aug21.135642.11452@hubcap.clemson.edu> bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob) writes:
>>     I posted a message to alt rec and sci.aquaria the other day asking
>>questions about raising sharks.  I have not gotten any replies except
>>for people telling me that they are too hard to raise and that I should
>>not try it or from people who tell me that they have posted a similar
>>message and to forget about getting any help from the people in these
>>groups.
[rude put-down of net people, and well-deserved response from Kerry Ogata 
deleted]

On my system, BOTH your original message and your whiny one showed 
up THIS morning.  Sheesh, give it some time at least.  Not everyone reads 
every day.  I've gotten some responses up to a week later.  Oh, and I've had 
excellent help as a beginner from the experts.
---
Erik D. Olson				erik@marge.phys.washington.edu
UW Cosmic Ray Laboratory		     olson@phys.washington.edu

       "This is the spawning of the cage and aquarium" - TMBG
From: smyers@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (steven myers)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Spouse Survey
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:43:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

>/ hpdmd48:alt.aquaria / timv@apollo.HP.COM () /  9:38 am  Aug  7, 1992 /
>I'd like to compile a survey of how spouses/SOs deal with us fish people.
>Put your spouse/SO into one of these catagories. I will post the results.
>Should be interesting!

	1. Absolutely hates it
	2. Tolerates it
	3. Mildly interested
	4. Another fish person.

>I place mine in cat.2, actually I recall once hearing the comment
>"would you worry about me as much if I came from some lake in Africa"

>Tim Vandawalker
>Hewlett Packard
>Chelmsford

	Two Chrismasses ago my Mom gave my wife a 10 gal. tank for a present.
This was an upgrade from her fish bowl.  Within a couple of months she had
convinced me to buy her a 30 gal.  Some four months later we purchased an 80
gal. at a yard sale.  With a house full of glass, the latter being set up as
salt water, she then lost interest.  Unfortunately, by then I was hooked.  It
just didn't seem like the kind of hobby that you brag about to "the boys."  We
are completely fishless now after a little incident involving an 18 month old
girl rocking an XX hundred pound tank on a cast iron stand.  I am miserable 
(does this sound as if it should belong in the 'angst' column all of a sudden?)
	She agrees that when we buy a house, I can buy a gonzo tank, which
should be soon, but not soon enough.  To get to answering your survey, she is a
3.  She thinks that fish tanks are pretty, provided that someone else is doing
the upkeep.

Steve Myers
HP at Boise, ID

P.S. Its good to see H.P.'ites on the net.
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
From: akarpowicz@mta.ca (Adam Karpowicz)
Subject: Re: Earthworms
Reply-To: akarpowicz@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.140142.23693@col.hp.com>, howardr@col.hp.com (Howard Rebel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.050655.16596@Veritas.COM> oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>>russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (David Russell) writes:
>>>What are your opinions on the subject.
>>
>>Grow your own.  That way you will be certain that there are no pesticides
>>or other toxins in them.
>>-- 
>>"... i heard the droning / in the shrine
>>	     of the sea-monkey / palace of the brine ..." -- Pixies.
>>Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
>>VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
>
>Sounds great, lets here from a few fish keepers that are growing their
>own and how to set up for it.
>-- 
>Howard Rebel hpcsos.col.hp.com 


     Usually you can start a hatchery by mixing a rich soil or compost in a
container, keeping it moist by misting it when needed. If left in a cool and
dark environment they will probably breed and a colony will thus be started.
However you must make sure that you do not feed the larger adult worms to your
fish or breeding will not take place. You can also feed fish grubs or maggots.
 

                                                     Phillip Karpowicz

                                                                      
         


>
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: lim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Fishy GIF: ftp sites
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:57:26 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

To those who asked me for the sites. Username to the sites is
anonymous

nic.funet.fi
anagram.mcs.anl.gov (140.221.10.1)
uts.mcc.ac.uk  (130.88.200.3)
nz20.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (129.13.96.2).

Feel free to correct or add to the list
Thanks to all who contribute to the list.

==============================================================================
                                                 from Lim  --- the fish nut

US Postal Address: Computer Center, University of Kansas, 
                   Lawrence, KS 66044           
Internet Address:  lim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
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From: dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson)
Subject: Re: pumps in homemade wet-dry filters?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:14:50 GMT

I RECENTLY MADE A WET/DRY FILTER FOR MY 55 GAL, I USED AN AQUACLEAR
802 POWERHEAD FOR THE WATER PUMP. THE FILTER IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS
 THE TANK, 30 INCHES LONG, IT COULD BE SHORTER AND 4" THICK AND FITS
BEHIND THE TANK ON THE SAME SHELF. THE WATER GOES THRU A WALL 
CONSISTING OF THREE FILTER CARTRIDGES FROM THE WALMART AND THEN
FLOWS OVER A WATERFALL ONTO A ROTATING BIOLOGICAL MEMBER THAT I
MADE FROM PLASTICRAFT SHEETS AVAILABLE FROM BEN FRANKLIN STORE
FOR ABOUT 10.00 FOR 40 SHEETS, IT MAKES A GOOD BIOLOGICAL MEDIUM.
i HAVE HAD IT RUNNING FOR ABOUT 3 MO NOW IN A TANK THAT IS GROSSLY
OVERPOPULATED. WORKS GOOD. TOP OF WATERFALL NEEDS TO BE ABOUT
1" BELOW DESIRED WATER HEIGHT. IT IS KINDA TRICKY GETTING THE 
RIGHT SYPHON SIZE, DO IT ON THE PATIO TO TRY IT OUT TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENS IF THE POWER OFF.

JOHN H. OWENS, POSTING FROM MY DAUGHTER'S ACCOUNT

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From: denise@pprg.eece.unm.edu (Denise J. Richards)
Subject: [F] Plant recommendations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:12:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I only got 2 responses from the rec group so I'll try here:

First, am not who the header says I am so post or e-mail responses to:
 
                 boggs@agps.lanl.gov
 
 
I have a 55 gallon aquarium set up. Water is acidic, 6.2,  temp is at 
86 to 88 degrees fahrenheit. Filtration is Whisper 2 external power
filter and and RUGF run by aqua clear 402 power heads (one of which
died last night. I don't think it started up correctly after a water
change.). Lighting is with Triton bulbs.  Tank occupants are:
 
        4 turquoise  discus
        2 blue rams
        6 otocinclus (sp?)
        2 clown loaches
 
What I want to know is what type of plants will  do well in this
environment.  I have some type of anubias which lives but does not
flourish, and some type of sword which is not doing well at all.
Or what do I need to do to make this tank hospitable to both plants and
fish?
 
Also, are these conditions ok for otocincluses? My books have no
information on them. Any information would be welcome.
 
Finally, I am not who the header says I am so post or e-mail responses to:
 
                 boggs@agps.lanl.gov

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