From: linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Spirits vs. Animal Rights.  Was: Texas AR Conference
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:01:32 GMT
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In article <Bt5FCq.Ky6@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>
>Russell Lawrence writes:
>rl> If you don't believe in demons, please say so, and I'll be happy
>rl> to apologize.  
>
>From article <16ovknINNo95@agate.berkeley.edu>, by linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan):
>ml> Apparantly you can not understand.  You either must have some 
>ml> sort of mental block or you are just simply an idiot.  I'm sorry, 
>ml> I've tried to make you understand that WHAT I believe in is not 
>ml> the issue but rather what you CLAIM I told you I believe in.  
>ml> You have not presented the proof that I ever told you I believe in 
>ml> goddesses, goblins, demons or ghosts.  I will let this issue now 
>ml> rest with most critical thinkers concluding that you are both a 
>ml> liar and an idiot.  

>You stated just the other day that you believe in the literal 
>truth of the bible, and the bible says that such entities as 
>ghosts and demons and other spirits do, indeed, exist.  Is it 
>really "idiotic", as you claim, for someone to conclude that you 
>believe in spirits?  In all honesty, I don't see how someone like 
>yourself could believe in the literal truth of the bible 
>_without_ believing in demons, goblins, ghosts, etc, etc.  


OK so you just can't understand.  That seems readily apparant.  Nothing
you can say short of showing me where I told you I believe in goddesses,
goblins, demons and ghosts will clear you from the lies you have told.

Just out of curiosity, can you show me where in the Bible it say explicitly
that followers should believe in "goddesses" and "goblins"?


>In view of your own testimony, it seems rather farfetched for
>you to pretend that I'm a liar simply because I've pointed out that
>you apparently believe in spirits.  


Like I said you are either dense or have a problem understanding what 
people are saying.  I said you are a liar because you said I said something
to you that I did not say.  I do believe all that is in the Bible and that
is all you need to know of my religion.  I have not called you a liar be-
cause said I believe in spirits.  You are a liar because you said I TOLD 
you I believe in "goblins, goddesses, demons and ghosts".  I did not say
that to you, plain and simple.


>rl> Alternatively, if you think it's logically possible to believe in the 
>rl> literal truth of the bible while not believing in the existence 
>rl> of "demons", I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd explain the how's
>rl> and why's.  In such a case, I think it'd be obvious to everyone
>rl> that one of us has a lot to learn about clear thinking.

>ml> Yeah, well it's not my job to explain anything to you Russell and 
>ml> I am not inclined to do so.  

>Suit yourself.  


>rl> In pointing out that you believe in the literal truth of the 
>rl> bible, aren't you implying that you also believe in the existence 
>rl> of demons (aka goblins), not to mention a sizeable number of 
>rl> other spirit-forms?  

>ml> I don't imply.  I come out and speak my mind.  You should have 
>ml> known that and probably did from our prior discussions...

>Then tell us whether or not you believe in demons, Mike.

 
First show us where I told you I believe in goddesses, goblins, demons and
ghosts.  Then maybe I *will* tell you for the first time if I believe in
such things.  And after you admit that you cannot prove this and appologize
for lying maybe you will be inclined to tell us why you lied.


>ml> I owe you nothing Russell.  I need not expose my beliefs to an arrogant 
>ml> person such as yourself for ridicule.  Go away.

>You're contradicting yourself.  You've stated repeatedly that
>you're not ashamed of your beliefs and that you're in the habit
>of speaking your mind, yet now you say that you don't want to
>"expose" your beliefs.  Are you ashamed of them?  Are they a
>"secret" of some sort?


It's more like I'm ashamed of you.  I don't ususally waste my time on those
who are going to do nothing but belittle my beliefs simply because they don't
believe in them.  I guess you arrogance can't let you understand that you
are not worth wasting my time on.


>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000



Mike Linan