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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Barclay- He's an OK guy!
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:41:26 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

/In article <63D4RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, stevee@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Steven Eichner) writes:
/> 
/> Come on, Picard! Barclay's getting a little TOO strange for the Enterprise.
/> Would a REAL Captain keep him on the ship? I think not!
/> Can we PLEASE put him out of our misery? Anyone know how many
/> episodes he's in this season?I hope not many!
/> 
/> Steve
/> /

I think that you're being too harsh on this guy.  Everyone has certain
personalities...including fears.  Barkley is an incredibly sharp guy, but
he shows alot more human foibles, than most of the other characters on the
show.  In fact, most of the STTNG characters are rather 'perfect' people.
He's one guy that actually shows what you call 'strange', but what are
basically human fears, anxieties.  Who hasn't experienced the agony of
'self-diagnosis'?  I think he was trying to be reasonable...he reported
things he felt were odd to Geordi, talked to the counselor.   After his
discussion with the computer over his ailments, of course, he felt he
was possibly hallucinating...so he had self doubts.
 
I don't know...I just enjoyed him.  He was refreshing to me because he
could show his 'weak side', yet is very intelligent...so  he is not an
idiot by any means.  After all, he did figure out at the end, how to 
rescue the 'worms', or the trapped crewmen.  After watching it again,
it did look as if the 'worms' were trying to communicate with him.

Cheers,
Pamela Cho
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From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins)
Subject: "Man Of The People" (was re: SPOILEReview: "Realm of Fear")
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:40:41 GMT

In article <1al11bINN5ai@agate.berkeley.edu> jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
|Next week: It gets worse.

After seeing next week's episode, let me say ...

(opinions only ahead, no factual spoilers ...)

(please remember to leave in the control-L ...)



... don't let the preview deceive you too much.  The plot definitely 
doesn't have bimbo-Troi of previous seasons.
-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          huggins@eecs.umich.edu
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From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William E. Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: REALM OF FEAR -- OPINIONATED COMMENTS
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:49:45 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <16876D7E5.ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU> ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Sally Webster) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.110508.12676@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
[126 lines of original message deleted]

>Maybe the writer of this message has never had a panic attack.  I
>thought the actor playing Barclay was very convincing and did not
>overact at all.  He did just what people do who are struggling with
>fear.

I can't believe that someone quoted 126 lines for a 4 line reply.
It IS possible to delete some lines of the original message, and 
still retain the general meaning. 

william@cs.arizona.edu

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From: pmcgttgn@unix1.tcd.ie (Paul Mc Gettigan )
Subject: star trek TNG censorship: I.R.A. victory
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:11:34 GMT


Do any of you trekkies out there know the title of the episode in ST/new generation in which
a reference is made to a 'fictional' victory of the IRA (Irish Republican Army) over the
British forces sometime in the 21st century.

Due to the all powerful and all censoring anti-republican governments of both Britain
and the Irish Free State (26 counties) this particular episode was banned from
the airwaves.

....come to think of it ...it's only a matter of time before they will start censoring this
medium as well!!

For those unaware of the present political climate in Ireland or Britain
all republicans are banned from being interviewed on radio or tv
on any subject whatsoever e.g. a mushroom grower who gave an interview to an agricultural
programme was censored i.e. the sound of his voice was not permitted to be transmitted on air
due to the fact that he was a member of Provisional Sinn Fein (a republican political party).
     

So in the interst of freedom of information and artistic expression
could you please e-mail me the title of this episode and also
whether or not it is available on VHS yet.

Oglaigh na hEireann abu!!!!!
From: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Realm of Fear"
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:39:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: the-matr.2814.406.uupcb
Reply-To: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)
Distribution: world
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tlynch@juliet.caltech.edu (Tim Lynch) says:
|Two lines in particular from Barclay really worked for me, incidentally:

|"...I get a certain feeling.  I guess you could call it...*mortal terror*.
|<<thud>>"

I enjoyed that one myself, but on to other stuff.

|There really isn't *that* much else I have to say, really.  A few short
|points:

|(Another had to be Geordi's crack
|about Reg looking pale, however.  Er...Geordi, pardon me for asking, but
|isn't it a *wee* bit difficult for you to tell?)

Remember "Up the Long Ladder"?  Geordi talks about seeing variations
in eye dialation, heart and skin.  He's probably learned how to do
this.

One of the points I liked was when Troi relieved Reg.  Nice to see her
using some of that authority.  She should do it more often.

We saw this episode a few hours after the downlink at the Nimoy visit
to Georgia (someone at the con decided to tape it and show everyone
there).  One of the people I went with brought the house down when
Barclay was all blue in engineering.  She said a bit too loudly: "He's
turning into a SMURF!"  Boy, was she embarassed when people turned
and cracked up at her.

 * SLMR 2.1a *  I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enemy Within
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:48:45 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:

> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
> 
> [plot synopsis deleted]
> > 
> > A fairly good episode, one things always puzzled me. If the transporter was
> > why didn't they send down a shuttlecraft to pick up Sulu and co?
> > It would have been interesting to send spock through the transporter and go
> > out human and vulcan copies. Imagine sending Worf through it and getting
> > out a *bad* Klingon! He'd be one to avoid :-)
> > 

As I recall, they hadn't built the shuttlecraft set yet.
BTW, the reason that they created the treansporters, was that the thought 
it would be too expensive to keep showing shuttlecrafts taking off and 
landing.

Dascoser
From: whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox *SPOILER*
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:09:03 GMT


	As far as I can see, the main source of confusion in this
episode is that time travel is being handled differently here than it
has been previously in ST.  Time's Arrow, from the start, was
presented as a "time travel with periodic boundary conditions" story,
i.e., the timeline exists and is not altered by the actions of the
time travellers, which have always been a part of it.  This is an
interesting way to handle time travel in SF in general, but since
almost every previous instance of time travel in ST (most notably
"Yesterday's Enterprise"/"Redemption") has included the possibility of
changing history, it doesn't mesh very well with Star Trek.  (It's
also much easier to pull off in fiction than real life; if you don't
have deus ex machina to make sure no one succeeds in changing history,
you have to at least throw free will out the window.

	Spoilers for both "Terminator" movies follow:

	"The Terminator" is probably the most famous example of a
periodic B.C. time travel story, where the timeline only makes sense
when viewed holistically (Reese goes back in time to sire John Connor,
who in turn sends Reese back in time).  One of the biggest failings of
T2, IMHO, is that they abandoned this time loop and allowed Sarah
Connor to change history.  (Especially since they reinforced the time
loop concept by having the Terminator's AI chip left in the past form
the basis of the technology from which it sprang.)
	Now I'll probably get a reply explaining that the events of T2
didn't prevent Judgement Day after all...
					John Whelan
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From: rat1@me1.MsState.Edu (Robert Thompson)
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:21:48 GMT

In article <70151@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>In article <1aqainINN2j3@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>>I suppose these might be spoilers






















>>Could someone please explain to me why the people stuck in
>>the transporter looked like those sand worms from Dune, and
>>how it was so easy and "should've known that" obvious to see
>>the connection afterwards?  To me, it still makes no sense.
>
>Yeah:  Barclay still looked like Barclay, but these people all looked
>like mutated intestinal parasites!  Also, how come they told Barclay
>that he couldn't stay dematerialized for more than 30-40 seconds or
>they would lose his signal, but they were able to recover the Yosemite's
>crew members after at least 3-4 DAYS!  For that matter, if you're
>disassembled at the molecular level, how is it possible to "experience"
>anything during transport (much less grab things!)?  And, before I'm
>finished, who was operating the transporter when the 4 Yosemite crew
>members beamed out?
>
>Tim

And one more thought (flame me hard if I missed this):

Where in the hell were they going?  Why did they transport
at all?  Surely Starfleet escape pods are a more comfortable
environment to escape to than a plasma stream coming off a 
red giant...

--Another environmentalist for nuclear energy--
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From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Technobabble, Character-drama, Crew Problems..Enough!
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:55:39 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
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	Ok.

	So they were good episodes.

	I am talking about The Inner Light, Time's Arrow, Realm of Fear, and
the ones before that but uhh.....

	Enough of this technobabble, Character drama, Problems with the
Crew craap.

	Lets get some Creature of the week story!  
	And not some entity that is whitesh-blue who inhibits someone.
	And no more Time Travel stories (Unless your gonna bring back the old 
	crew)
	And no more of this Worf sit down and shutup garbage
	And no more Picard stay up on the ship where it is Nice and Cozy.


	STNG needs some Mantrap stories, some Devil in the Dark stories,
	some Reqium for Methusula stories, some The Alternative Factor
	stories, some Savage Curtain stories, and finally, some 
	Miri stories.

	What do I mean by listing all of these STOS episodes?  Well 
basically that STNG needs to have adventures which have mysterious
encounters with alien life forms on alien planets an are "Boldly going
were no one has gone before."

	I'm sorry but Earth is not an alien planet, nor is Starfleet
academy, nor is some federation ship lost in space.
	
	I said I wanted a Miri story.  What I meant by this is that
there needs to be some episodes where the crew goes to a federation
colony and checks things out, and also make sure that the Enterprise
does not leave that colony till the end of the episode because this
running around mess is destroying STNG plots.


				
	Another reason why Old Trek beats New but hey....


				-Z
From: gank@Software.Mitel.COM (Kok-Ti Gan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9??
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:33:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


Hi netters,

I heard DS9 was supposed to air this season. Would some kind netter please
send me the schedule. I would like to know when it starts so that I don't 
miss any episodes. Thanks in advance.


K.T.
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From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Data's head (possible **spoilers**)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:26:20 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I'm going to assume that not everyone here has seen the
Times Arrow II episode yet so...







** SPOILERS **









** SPOILERS **







** SPOILERS **




I was wondering if anyone had a good definition of what the snake
was?  Why was it frozen in the shape of a cane, and what properties
did it have that the aliens needed.

About Data's head, there was an episode where Data and Riker had
to move through an access tube of some sort except that there was
an electric field blocking there way.  Data suggested that they use
his body to "short" out the field.  He required time to prepare for
the task.  Perhaps this time was necessary for his head to be able
operate without the body (this is the eposide when Riker uses his
head without the body).  And since in TAII his head simply came off
there wasn't anyway for it to function on its own.

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
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From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow II  (**spoilers**)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.183825.26749@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> wcbulko@rapids.austin.ibm.com (Bill Bulko) writes:
>Spoilers abound. . .
>
>Let's suppose the universe behaves according to the "multiple time
>lines" theory.  

Why?  In _Yesterday's_Enterprise_ did we not see how a change in the past
caused *this* future to be changed as well.  It seems to me pretty well
established that, in the Star Trek universe, the multiple time lines
theory does not hold.

BTW, *IF* multiple time lines existed, then the aliens going back would
make a "branch" but Picard would not necessarily be nonexistent in it.

<Craig>

Craig Lowery
Mississippi College
lowery@AuE.com
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From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Data & Contractions
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:00:55 GMT

Ya know, I've followed several threads concerning Data's lack of
ability to use contractions and I've formed a theory on this.  So,
consider this:

	Dr Soong (sp?) developed Data to be less human to calm
	the agitated colonists.  To do this, "the good doctor"
	*programmed* into Data a filter that prevents Data from
	using a contraction when speaking.  So, if Data were to
	think "I've got a feeling"  the filter kicks in and expands
	"I've" to "I have".

	When Data used the term "gonna" in his conversation with
	Jack the bellboy, I figure he performed the following to
	get the word out:

		1.   Rewind recorded conversation between
			Data & Jack

		2.   Extract the word "gonna"

		3.   Replay the word "gonna" & modulate the
		     frequency to mimick Data's voice rathar
		     than Jack's

	Remember the first episode of TNG (Farpoint) that Data was
	able to "playback" everything that was said during the
	trial (were there any contractions in those speeches?).

So, I believe that Data could write a subroutine to extract pieces of
human speech, modulate those pieces to sound as if he spoke them &
then play them back in the proper place in the sentence but the time &
processing that this would take would make his speech sound stuttered.

Just my humble analysis...
Ron
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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:59:38 GMT

judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep23.163907.19590@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John  
>Piscitello) writes:

>> 	However, I tend to agree with you. If he can do that, why can't
>> he use contractions? Does anyone out there know about the contraction
>> rule? How can we explain this? Is it some Asimov positronic-brain thing?

>There really is no contraction rule.  It's more or less slang.  For example,
[...]
>think "he didn't use contractions" would sound right in this sentence), but
>of course I may be wrong.
>Furthermore, it was Lor who used contractions, and it was Lor who had emotions.
>Thus, I would agree that Data not using contractions and not understanding
>how to use them is perfectly consistent with his programming.

Very nice explanation, I give you a 7 out of 10 for that one.  Your
explanation sounds like one that Paramount might come up with to simply
satisfy the masses.  However, it doesn't really stand up.

Any student of AI and natural language processing will tell you that
it's a simple matter to create contractions as output.  How about
something as simple as replacing "I am" with "I'm"?  It doesn't take
a genius to figure that one out.  Of course context has a lot to do
with it, but that's beside the point.  The fact is, it is very easy
to implement, and some layman at Paramount decided to give Data a few
machine-like characteristics.  Unfortunately, not being able to say
contractions was a wrong choice.

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:58:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct2.202728.5444@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:

>Worf is certainly a superior security chief, but would Kirk work with him?

Superior to whom?  Who was security chief in TOS?  Was it a main character?

As for Kirk working with him - it would be his dream.  Worf is the only
one who has Kirk's "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude.  After working
with Worf, he'd want to command a ship FULL of Klingons!


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From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:49:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Oct1.225442.19821@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R
Witort) says:
>
>If transportation involves decomposition and reconstitution,
>how is it that Barclay's body is intact while he is in the
>matter stream? The inside shot of transportation somehow
>wasn't what I expected.

Nor I.  In fact, other than the white noising in and out, I don't believe
that you could see anything in the stream, since you don't have the
ability to see.  I think, however the whole thing of him seeing and
grabbing was to be and abstract of being alive in the stream, something
else I don't agree with.


>The rest of the plot, however was quite watchable and fun.

Agreed.
___

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: tng music (was re: po
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:39:43 EST

>I liked about thirty seconds of it (i.e. when the Borg cube first shows up
>and the soundtrack bursts into voices.)

That's it?  I especially loved the "First Encounter" scene, which
includes the music you mentioned but also the first battle.  And the
ending phaser-fight of BOBW1 and the SMASHING cliffhanger part.
All-in-all, my all-time fav in terms of music.

>>My vote for best music? Chattaway's "Tin Man" score, which is what got
>>him the job as a reg'lar composer, though "Tin Man" breaks all the
>>TNG music rules and would never be allowed today.

Yes, I liked Tin Man's too but thought Best of Both World was better.
Tin Man's music and SFX were nice, but the execution was bland.  I felt
quite bored with most of the (ooh, what's his name???) <INSERT CHARACTER
NAME HERE> scenes when he was blabbing with Troi and Picard.



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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Time-loop flaw in Time's Arrow II
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 12:59:31 EDT

In article <1992Oct2.164427.20584@nmsu.edu>
ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM) writes:
 
>Hi netters,
>        Has anyone noticed a flaw in Time's Arrow II.  When Samuel Clemens
>comes to the enterprise, he sees his watch and someone (I think Geordi) tells
>him that they found it in the cavern along with data's head.  That means
>that the watch is 500+ years old.  Clemens takes the watch goes back to the
>19th century and leaves it in the cave.  That means the watch would be 1000+
>years old in the next loop. That cannot happen.  If everything happened as I
>have mentioned here in TA II, then the flaw is present.  Can someone confirm
>my observation or am I wrong in perceiving the events.
>
>Siva
>email: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu
>
I believe that he Clemens left his new watch, not the old one.  I could be
mistaken, though.
 
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