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From: carhart@netcom.com (Raymond E. Carhart)
Subject: Re: TP syndication?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:00:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Maybe Twin Peaks' best bet for syndication is on public TV in a similar
context as The Prisoner has been shown..        
kevin
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Two things...(SPOILER)
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:20:20 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA



Spoiler...


	Blame it on my newsfeed but I haven't seen anyone mentioning:

1. When Cooper is looking for Desmond he sees red letters on (whose?)
   car windshield: "Let's rock."

2. In the Canadian "pink room" Laura makes the same hand gesture she does
   in the last TV episode in the waiting room (towards Cooper).


	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com

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From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: dumb question...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:42:45 GMT


Hi,
I have a slightly dumb question..
How do you use the twin-peaks ftp site???
I see people mentioning it all the time and I assume there is a lot of
neat stuff in there?
Can someone tell me how to access it? I have never ftp'd before.
(obviously) 
:)

Also, I am currently re-watching the 1st and 2nd season on tape since
I saw the movie last weekend, but I haven't gotten to Annie yet. I
don't remember why she ends up being so special. Is it because she is
a way to "get" to Dale, or is she more involved in the whole lodge
thing? I vaugely remember Dale running into a "bad" Annie in the final
episode when he was in the lodge looking for her. Why was she there? (
I know that Windom Earle took her there, but is there another reason?)

That's all my questions for now.
I just love reading everyone's theories!
THIS IS SO NEAT!!
:)
Susan
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: FWWM gripes
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:59:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.025558.22112@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
(George Noel) wrote:
>>   Also, remember in the pilot version when Josie tells Pete to "pull the
>   plug" at the mill.. Pete is sitting down, saying to himself..
>    "2X4s, 4X8s.." repeatedly (I found that scene funny alone) apparently in
>    the movie there is a scene cut where Josie and Pete make reference to a
>    choice between 2X4s and 4X8s which was supposed to be funny. This would
>    explain why Pete was saying that in that scene.

I can confirm that Lynch talked to Jack Nance and Joan Chen about a scene
involving 2x4s that they were going to shoot for FWWM.  It isn't in the
precise of the script that was posting here, but I eavesdropped on them on
location.

-Rich Haller
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The Great Went (poss. spoil./explanation)
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:07:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <Sep.13.20.27.58.1992.29730@andromeda.rutgers.edu> kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West) writes:


>	Second season, third or fourth episode, when Norma announces that
>the mysterious food critic is coming to Twin peaks. No one knows who this
>critic is or even what they look like. The name of the critic? M.T. Wents.
>So, when Jacques says "I am the Great Went", I think that maybe his fart
>reference meant empty, as in M.T. So this means.....what? That Jacques 
>moonlighted as a food critic?

Except that we know that M.T. Wents (Wentz?) is Norma's mother.
Still, that doesn't necessarily preclude your theory (but it punches
a nice hole in it).

--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
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From: dat91oto@ludat.lth.se (Ola Torstensson)
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP:FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Organization: University of Lund, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:33:01 GMT

In article <38033@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:

>Sycamore Trees is listed in the end credits but I don't know where it is so I
>assume that the bit of music that plays when Le-BOB enters the red room at the
>end is credited as Sycamore Trees.

That is correct. Nice touch, IMO. I think it's an instrumental version.

/Ola

--
Ola Torstensson, dat91oto@ludat.lth.se
No part of this article (including this .sig) should be taken seriously.
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM featured in "American Cinematographer" magazine.
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:16:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <3113@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
wrote:
> 
> My wife says that this month's American Cinematographer magazine (the one
> that hit the news stands 2-Sep) has articles featuring David Lynch and TP.
> Check it out.

Yup, and lucky me, our library actually put it out on the shelf.
It is an interview of Ron Garcia, the Director of Photography for FWWM (and
the pilot). This is basically a trade mag, so it gets pretty technical. If
you know anything about lighting and film stock, you will find it
particularly fascinating, but the rest of us will find it of interest as
well. Some nice pictures, too, both color and B&W.  Here are some tidbits
of particular interest.

'Garcia himself is unsure of Lynch's true motive [in deciding to make
FWWM], but has his theories. "By listening to David talk to other people, I
began to piece it all together," he says.  "There was a book, The Secret
Diary of Laura Palmer [written by Lynch's daughter], and the people who
weere really following David Lynches ongoing story of Twin Peaks were still
out there [us!]. I think he decoded tp reign in the fanstastic elements a
bit more for the film, which tells the story of Laura Palmer's last seven
days.  The plot of the film dovetails perfectly into the pilot; David was
adamant about the details of the script and how they merged with the
series."'

The backwards stuff is actually shot with the camera running backwards and
posed some tricky technical problems when they shot the convenience store
scenes due to lighting units (Unilux) that drive the cameras. No one had
ever used them with cameras in reverse before.

<Spoilers ahead>


<Spoilers ahead>


<Spoilers ahead>


<Spoilers ahead>


<Spoilers ahead>


<Spoilers ahead>

'"We got a bit more unbalanced in the design of the film, using high and
low angles.  The high-angled shots reflect an angelic presence that
continues throughout the film, with an unseen angel looking down on the
evil events below."'

'"The shot [of the boy inside the picture] originally ended with the boy
gesturing toward the corner of the room, where a ring of fire appeared,"
saya Garcia. "David was going to use an optical, but he just didn't like
the way the ring of fire was coming out; he felt no one would believe it,
and substituted a dissolve instead."

He also comments that the convenience store room was originally designed to
have the ring of fire as in the script.

-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (Carl F. Hostetter)
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: NASA/GSFC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:55:39 GMT

In article <18lee3INNt18@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu
(S. A. Wilson) wrote:
> 
> In article <las283INN3r6@news.bbn.com> clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) writes:
> SPOILER
> 
> >
> >As far as I've seen, nobody has yet figured out why Laura says
> >"You shot MIKE" after Bobby shoots the deputy.
> >
> >When I heard that line, I thought she was saying "You shot Mike",
> >not "You shot MIKE".  I.e., she thought Bobby had killed their
> >high school classmate Mike, the future close friend of Nadine,
> >and not the metaphysical enemy of BOB.
> >
> >At that point in the timeline did Laura know anything about MIKE?
> >
> >Not that it makes much more sense referring to Mike...
> >
> >Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
> 
> 
> I thought that she thought it was Mike, Snake (wasn't that his nickname),
> because she was pretty funked-up (to quote Blackie). But also, Bobby
> and Mike were partners in dealing. Just before that Laura convinced
> Bobby to get here more cocaine...this stuff was for her, not to deal.
> Bobby then goes directly to Jacques, and does not deal with Leo, his
> normal supplier. Jacques sets him up with another supplier, the deputy
> from Deer Creek.  Bobby makes sure that Mike is not invovled. Anyway,
> when the deal comes down, Laura is unware of all this, and assumes
> that it is Mike who appears in the woods, since he is partners with
> Bobby. This, plus as I said, she was pretty funked-up made her think
> that the deputy was Mike. I don't think it had anything to do with
> the Lodges and all....I was just another one of thus darkly humorous
> scenes...almost like the car accident scene in WaH.
> 
> 
> Sally--

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's the end of a long day, and I've only seen the
movie once), but didn't the deputy deliver the drugs in a football? And
weren't Mike and Bob teammates? Maybe that added to Laura's drug-induced
confusion.
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Symbolism of the color "Blue"
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:57:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Unfortunately with me I have no universal dictionary for symbolism,
but I do have George Ferguson's "Signs & Symbols in Christian Art,"
and this is what is says about the color blue, "The color of the
sky, symbolizes 'Heaven' and heavenly love. [not much help there?]
It is the color of truth, because the blue always appears in the sky
after the clouds are dispelled, suggesting the unveiling of truth."


This is a little too religious a definition to apply to TP, yet
I think the idea of "Blue" representing "truth could fit into,
the symbolism of the Blue Rose. Then again I propbably am all
wrong...

Just thought I would post this to add to the general discussion...


Sally--

-- 
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
  And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.    \\\\\	sally@mica.berkeley.edu
("The Conqueror Worm"			\\\\\
from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Who the hell IS Mike?
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.234436.15806@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
(George Noel) wrote:
> >	C: You spoke to me in my dream...about BOB.
> >	M: Mmm. He...was...my familiar.
> >	C: Where does BOB come from?
> >	M: That...cannot be revealed.
> >
> >-Rich Haller
> 
>  Does this nean that Bob was once Mike's host? (He was my familiar).

No. A familiar is a spirit (usually in the guise of an animal) that acts as
a servent for a witch or warlock (magician).  BOB works for Mike. He is
more like a slave than anything else.

>  This could explain why Bob only fears Mike, why the little grandson points
>  to him in the movie and says "Fell a victim" and why Bob says in the cut

Yes. Mike is the boss. Though he also says "we were once partners", it is
clear that he was the one calling the shots. Sort of like George
Steinbrenner and the Yankee partners :-)

>  portions of the script "I have the fury of my own momemtum" - him
>  falling faster and faster through space like Donna and Laura was talking

Interesting point. Another thing to ponder is it's possible relation to the
doctrine of karma.  Karma can be thought of as spiritual momentum.

-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Film Threat (was Re: btw)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:13:18 GMT

In article <SBILES.92Sep13164027@dante.nmsu.edu>, sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles) writes:
> 
> Thanks to all of you who replyed about the ftp. 
> I have another question in reference to the magazine Film Threat and
> its Twin Peaks articles. Living in the silly little town that I do,
> no single book store, video store or magazine place carries the
> magazine and most haven't heard of it!
> So, I was wondering if any of you super people who happened to be
> fortunate enough to get this magazine would be willing to post some of
> the more interesting articles???
> I would love to read them!
> Thanks
> 
> Susan
If you want to get a copy of Film Threat you can order it by sending
$5, in check of money order, along with a note saying you want the
Oct issue that feature TP, to:

	L.F.P.
	P.O. Box 16928
	No. Hollywood, CA 91615

Make check out to L.F.P.

Cheers, Lou
From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM - second time around
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:38:03 GMT

Well, I saw FWWM a second time and here are some thoughts and observations...

We hear the whooping noise from the LMFAP in the waiting room, twice when
shots of the poles are shown, and when the OAM is driving behind Leland.

The fan makes three appearances, the first is when Laura goes home to find
BOB looking for the diary.  Second is when the lights are flashing and BOB
says 'I want to taste through you.'  Finally, Leland turns the fan on before
BOB crawls in through Laura's window.  I believe the fan motif is a sign of
BOB exerting his influence in the physical world or making himself known, but
I would have to check my tapes to make sure of this assumption tho.

The monkey makes two appearances.  The first is in Jeffries' dream sequence -
Pierre lifts his mask (showing Pierre), lowers it, and lifts in again showing
the monkey.  The second is after we see the shot of someone (I believe it to
be Leland) eating the creamed corn.  The monkey here doesn't look the same as
the first monkey, almost fake in fact.  Although I'm no primate expert, the
shot of the first monkey reminded me of the macaques (I think that's right)
that inhabit Japan (nature shows often show them at hot springs there in the
winter).

Although I thought that the person in bed with Laura was Annie the first time
I saw it, I am no longer so sure.  It *does* look quite a bit like Ronette.
However, the fact the credit Heather Graham makes me think it is just a bad
camera angle.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Dog
Summary: numerous mentions
Keywords: Dogs...
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:59:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <118697@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV) writes:
>I saw the movie Saturday.  Last night, I decided to watch the first 
>2-hour episode (yet again).
>
>Curious, but in the opening shot of Josie.  They show what appears
>to be a stylized, ceramic black dog.  Coincidence?  I think not.
>
>Connie

 There are numerous references to dogs in Twin Peaks.. in the movie when
 the OAM is shouting at Leland in his car they quickly cut away and show
 a black dog barking.

 When Mike and Bobby (students) are in jail they bark like dogs to James
 (after they threaten to kill him - "When you least expect it")
  
  Sarah described Bob from her vision as "looking like an animal" - dog?
   
   The LMFAP in Cooper's first dream was "shaking like an animal" - so was
   Josie who was "trembling with fear".
    When Jacques was smothered, Jacoby described him as sounding like a
    dog barking.
     
      Thats all I can think of for now. This is common with black dogs..
      in the movie "The Omen" a black dog was always following Damien
      Thorne around.. the black dog being the devil. Maybe Bob is Mike's
      son?

      -=*George*=-
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: A tiny but interesting find?  Repost with correction
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:09:54 -0300
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <rhaller-130992103824@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> [I'm leaving all this stuff in as spoiler hider]
> In article <1992Sep11.220533.9751@ttinews.tti.com>, lester@soldev.tti.com

> 
> You are so right, Jim. I haven't seen it myself. I couldn't make it out in
> my copy of the pilot. It appears to be off screen. However, BOB himself,
> confirms that this happened in an interview in Film Threat (see my separate
> post).  Turns out it was an accident, but when they noticed it, they
> decided to keep it. He was there in his role as set dresser/prop man
> handing Grace Zabriskie cigarettes broken off at the right length for each
> retake of the scene.  This is typical Lynch--going with what happens. If it
> had been too obvious, I imagine they would have done something about it,
> but under the circumstances, BOB quotes Lynch as saying "We couldn't have
> planned this better."
> 
Felix Silva seems a bit clumsy for a set dresser, dosen't he? I mean, he 
got caught in the scene with the candles, and in the shot with Sarah.....
Seems kind of weird.

Later!
Mike (maybe it's just me)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: icj@nexus.yorku.ca (Ian Jarvie)
Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:43:00 GMT

What bothered me a bit was that in the series Laura was said to have
bled to death from many small wounds, but in FWWM Leland/Bob seems to
be smashing her, as in the case of Teresa Banks and the series.  I
wish Lynch would make up his mind.

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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: Wood, plastic, floating
Keywords: Not
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:14:20 GMT

I was re-watching some episodes lately and from what I can see, the Palmer
house isn't a different "set", actually, don't they use a real house? In the
TV series, we see the house from a different perspective.. mainly from the
living room into the dining room whereas in the movie we see it mainly from
the front door to the dining room or in the dining room itself making it *seem*
smaller.
 
 -=*George*=-
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:59:48 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep6.230736.20045@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
Noel) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.180230.7312@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.084258.5488@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
No
>el) writes:
>>> In article <H11FqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
write
>s:
>>>>01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>>
>>> 
>>>  Twin Peaks is supposed to be really close to the Canadian border. Remember
>>>  that One Eyed Jacks is also in Canada (from what I understood). I don't
>>>  know about anyone else but, I am from Canada and I didn't particularly
like
>>>  the impression they were trying to paint on Canadian bars, or Canada
itself.
>
>>Well, I'm Canadian too, and I thought it was a riot. I mean, when you think
of 
>
>>it, Canada has an international reputation a lot like TP. Lots of scenery,
>>lots of trees, the Rockies, quite rural, and the people are all nice, 
>>friendly, maybe a little on the dull side. Mind, I'm not saying Canada is
*like
>*
>>that, but I think that's what a lot of overseas people believe, or so I
suspect
>.
>>
>>Therefore, I think it makes sence that Canada, like TP, is idyllic and quiet
>>on the surface, but is hiding lots of dirty little secrets. I wonder if Lynch
>>has ever been to Canada.
>>
>>Just a thought.
>>Mike
>
> Actually, this is true.. now that I think of it Twin Peaks DOES resemble
> Canada like you said. As a sidenote, on a comedy show I was watching there
> was a sketch where a comedian was saying that Canada would be the perfect
> country to invade someone else. You would have the president from the other
> country calling the UN and telling them that Canada is invading us and the
> UN would say Canada? They wouldn't do anything like that... :-)
>  
>  -=*George*=-
Most Americans who don't live near the Canadian border know next to nothing
about Canada.  They have vague notions about beer drinking, Lumber jacks, and
the McKenzie twins.  It is really a sad situation that we are so ignorant of
one of our nearest neighbors.  However, cinematicly speaking this ignorance
means that you can construct a mileu like TP and create a very effective
MYTHICAL Canada to set your film in.  (Of course this won't work for
Canadians).  It is also true the Twin Peaks is a lot like Canada in some ways ,
because it is true the much of the U.S. near the boarder is like Canada. 
Listen to a northern Minnesotan talk sometime.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against Suburbanization!
From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:23:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Mike:
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

Adam Goldberg writes:

< a bunch of cool stuff >

Wow, Adam, wow!

As a longtime TP addict, and as the one who originally suggested the
backward time theory, I hereby bequeath upon you an A for the course.
Cool analysis, dude.  And from Iowa, no less. :)

Brian WOOD
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: formica table?
Summary: Tables and eating
Keywords: Dead Dog Farm
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:15:36 GMT

In article <rhaller-090992124238@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.151827.11259@panix.com>, jhawk@panix.com (John
>Hawkinson) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hmm. Here's a really far-fetched connection:
>> 
>> 	"formica table" == "For Mike, a table"
>
>And what is it that one does at a table like that?  Eat.
>
>Have to take another look at the table at 'Dead Dog Farm' where they cut
>the coke. Bet it was formica.  Notice the dog reference also.
>
>-Rich

 Nope, it wasn't formica BUT it had CHROME on it. Also they were either eating
 or dealing drugs around it like the lodge people would be eating the
 creamed corn.

 -=*George*=-

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