From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Annoying, cloying "wann-be"s
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:24:37 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Nov6.235601.3666@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes...
>In article <R!A==G@engin.umich.edu> Angelica <anonymus+2278@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1215@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> Ashley, ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com writes:

>>
>>Ashley -
>>
>>I agree with you and I think they are all just a bunch of dweebs 
>				       ^^^
>>(my favorite name for them).  It is time for them to grow up and
>>stop flaming you - if they put their minds to work, they SHOULD
>>be able to come up with something a bit more constructive
>>to do with their time!  
>>
>>To the dweebs reading this, don't even think of flaming me!
> 
> 
>Okay, rude, ignorant, uncivil asshole. I'm not a "dweeb", unless you try
>to define "dweeb" as anyone you don't link, and probably don't know. There-
>fore, I *can* flame you all I want. *I* took the discussion with Ashley to
>email, but since you want to escalate, so be it.
> 
>Seems to me that you a) don't know what you're talking about; b) don't begin
>to know anything of "mainstream" sf fandom, and c) make no attempt to under-
>stand or care for others feelings, nor other's points of view. The above
>agreement attempts to cover, with a broad brush, an awful lot of the people
>here, as well as a large number of the people involved with the neopagan
>movement. It's statements like yours that make people consider *you* 
>rude, ignorant, and childish; that is, *just* like the people you criticise.
> 
>	mark

	What an absolutly perfect example of why people have trouble with 
sci-fi/fantasy fans! You are starting to sound just like the people I have 
problems with! Being so over-defensive is NOT something that is going to help 
your cause. Also, not everybody *wants* to submerge themselves in "mainstream"
sci-fi/fantasy fandom so as to get a good view of it. So much of the genre 
is so badly written, (we have already gone over the fact that there is good 
stuff there too, don't jump on this one) it's no wonder people like Angelica 
have trouble associating such dreck with thinking people above age 11. She 
may have run into some sexist crap too, more than enough of that out there to 
be offended by!

	If you want to be taken seriously and not written off as a child with 
an ultra-thin skin, PLEASE don't blow up like this!!! You do us all a 
dis-service when you do. And just think for a moment, if you blew up like 
this at someone who had been misinformed by a fundie about Witchcraft do you 
think you would enlighten or alienate them? My point.

	And a lot of people here being sci-fi/fantasy fans? I'm getting 
fan-mail as well as hate-mail now. It seems to be about equal or sleightly 
more twards anti-"fanboy" if you count those who are just venting frustration 
with the types of idiots I discussed in my first posts. But some people here 
have a *lot* harsher words for sci-fi/fantasy fans than I do. (Don't worry 
folks, I'm not going to post your messages or "out" you to the net, I'm just 
counting numbers and replying!)

	As for e-mail, I got a string of garbage, maybe from you?, no words, 
just static. Something wrong with your port or modem?


			- Ashley





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