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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: New Ace SF Specials (was Re: Literary SF)
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:26:28 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1h4k1fINN7uv@menudo.uh.edu> HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.) writes:

>These were the last ones edited by Carr.  After his death Knight purchased and
>edited three more:

>     Claudia O'Keefe, BLACK SNOW DAYS
>     Gregory Feeley, (Who really cares)
>     Someone whose name I can't remember

See my previous posting.  Terry actually bought BLACK SNOW DAYS; that's
why it's dedicated to him.  ("For TERRY CARR: thanks for calling me away
from Entertainment Tonight.")  He didn't live long enough to edit it,
though; thus the editorial credit to Damon on the cover.

Damon bought _and_ edited Gregory Feeley's THE OXYGEN BARONS.  There
wasn't any sixth book in the second series.

So, did you dislike Greg's book that intensely, or do you have something
against Damon or Greg?  I rather thought it was a pretty good bit of hard
SF.  Like they say, yer mileage may vary.  <g>

-- 
Patrick Nielsen Hayden      :     senior editor, Tor Books
pnh@panix.com : CIS 72701,1344 : GEnie PNH : opinions mine
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From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:11:25 GMT

Curtis Yarvin quotes Phil Scarr:

>In the past, merit was assigned to DWMs only, now that is
>changing and the literary community is responding to the "PC" agenda to
>reform the cannon.

--and replies, with terse eloquence:

Reform?  Feh.  Feh on your reform.

I say we spike it.

This ignores an error or two in the original comment: Literary merit in the
past was assigned to literary merit, not to live or dead white males. Let us
not forget that Gogol and Dumas pere et fils were (part) black, as if it
mattered a damn bit, and a few ladies like the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen,
George Sand, et al. could write any guy under the table and out of the room.

Curtis also takes cruel advantage of the misspelling of "canon" to commit an
outrageous pun ("I say we spike it")--shame on you, Curtis, you naughty boy!
:)


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Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.written:16597 soc.history:10343
From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,soc.history
Subject: Re: Civil War Alternate Histories
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:59:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Dec23.145947.2533
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

In article <1992Dec18.130737.2090@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>One can also remember that in the early colonial days an indentured servant
>was only slightly more expensive than a slave laborer (both had to be fed,
>clothed, housed and given medical treatment).  The indentured servants never
>became a lifelong slave for a number of reasons.

Among which was that runaway indentured servants blended right in to the
rest of the pioneer populace; same color, same language...
The "employers" usually did their best to extend the period of servitude
beyond the original contract by charging extaordinary rates
for medical treatment, fines for imagined infractions, etc, & they charged
for time-lost due to babies born to female servants, then deposited the
babies in orphanages.  All a pretty good incentive to skip out on your
contract.
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Memory Recall Failure
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:46:00 GMT

See, I read this pretty good book a long time ago, and the title
and author escape me. I guess that area of memory was overwritten 
by something important. Bummer.

The cover had a round ball of a transport system in a tube. The 
plot I can't remember much, but the main character was Trinesh, and
the appendix told how the vowels and stuff were based on
Spanish. I thought that was weird. The main guy, a few guards,
and these two royal people get ambushed and escape into the
transport systems, and have all these adventures in the desert and
in a city.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Help,

Scott


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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Bujold and Ellison (sad news re HE)
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.152133.16646@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> iqv@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>one.  On a sadder note, I thought I'd let the Ellison fans out there know that
>HE is going to have triple-bypass surgery on the 4th.  Let's hope for a speedy
>recovery for a fabulous author.

Or more appropriately, that you make more of an effort to check your facts
before posting such or at least state where you heard this. While I haven't
gone to the trouble of phoning Harlan and Susan to check (not wanting to 
disturb 'em if this was true), I did do a check on GEnie where several people
who are in regular contact with Harlan hang out. His bibliographer hadn't
heard anything about this, and a friend who saw him on xmas day said he'd
not mentioned anything about it. From all indications, the bypass surgery
is a false rumor.

tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: D. Jay Newman <dn5@apix.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Macavoy
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75B8963D9013BCA@magic.psu.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:46:59 GMT
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:47:06 GMT

In article <9212161036.AA01294@rutgers.edu> Sara Beck,
BECKS@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL writes:
>This is an unabashed rave for R.A. Macavoy and the "Lens of the World"
>trilogy, of which the second book , "King of the Dead", is out in
hardcover.

Actually, I bought and read the paperback last month!  I truely feel that
R. A. Macavoy is one of the best authors of this century!  I can't rave
enough about her writings.

Its not your basic fantasy novel, but then I've come to expect much more
than that from her.  I started with _Tea with the Black Dragon_, and was
extremely pleasantly surprised at how good it was, despite the fact that
it followed NONE of my expectations.

()()()()()()()()()()()()() CBEL--Teaching & Learning Technologies ()()()
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dn5@psuvm.psu.edu !  preserve their reputation and social standing never
dn5@apix.psu.edu  !  can bring about a reform.  -- Susan B. Anthony
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From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: Anne Mc Caffrey and computer interfaces
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:14:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.094844.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
> I've just been reading _Crystal Line_ by Anne Mc Caffrey (haven't finished
> it; there will probably be another post when I do) and there's one thing I
> noticed that drives me nuts about all her books.
> Why is everyone on a DOS-type system?

Why do you assume it's a DOS interface - I saw no evidence of that.

> I've noticed that none of the computers in her books have a GUI-type inter-
> face, which seems to me to be an anachronism.  I work for a computer company,
> and GUI interfaces have become the standard;  I know very few IBMers who
      ---------------------------------------

I think alot of people would refute that fact..

> use DOS anymore.  It seems to me that, especially with as sophisticated a
> voice interface as her computers have, they would not need the clumsy DOS
> interface.

With a sophisticated Voice interface - why would they need a GUI interface ?

> As for the book - it's good trash, so far.  I read her _Crystal Singer_ books
> as a break from the heavier stuff I read.
> As always,
> Your obedient servant,
> Gabrielle de Lioncourt


And besides - in AWOP alot of people thought that the Interface for AVIAS was
more VAX/VMS like than DOS like.



   John Rice        K9IJ  
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com
From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Midori Snyder: Beldan's Fire
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:17:01 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

In article <1992Dec23.070549.2525@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>It's too bad that Snyder's first 'novel' was a trilogy.  It's not
>bad, but she doesn't have the skill yet to give a large cast of
>characters depth.  Single-novel length would have allowed her to
>cover that better.

But she did write a single novel first, "Soulstring" a fairly well written
fantasy novel about a girl whose lover has been turned into a stag.

--
Mark Biggar
mab@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
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From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:17:46 GMT

In article <18951@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>Thanks, Michael LaB., for stirring us out of our torpor!

Ditto...

<interesting stuff deleted>

>
>As for the issue of the "canon" of literature expanding to include less
>well-known writers who happen not to be dead white males...the Books
>newsgroup had a wonderful time chewing its collective tail about that one. As
>far as I can tell, a book is in the canon because it usefully elaborates on
>the books that went before it, and clearly influences the books that come
>after it. I happen to think James De Mille's utopian satire, A Strange
>Manuscript Found in a Copper Cylinder (first published in 1888) is a hell of
>a good novel and everyone ought to read it (it's still in print, by the way).
>But is it part of the canon? Nope--while it enjoyed some success and went
>into numerous reprints, it doesn't seem to have influenced later writers in
>the genre (too bad for them).
>
>Non-canonical writers may still deserve serious attention, but to include
>them in a reading list is to address the anxieties of modern readers rather
>than the demonstrable influences that have shaped a literature.

While you make some good points (and as we stray farther afield here...)
I think you are missing a fundamental point about cannon versus
non-cannon works and the political rage which has surrounded the cannon
in recent years.  The argument is that there is a whole body of
literature out there which is written by "people of color" (I don't know
why, but I really don't like that term much...), women, gays, etc., your
basic non-DWMs, which has been systematically ignored over the years and
treated as "non-influential" when in fact, there has been a long history
of such work, in parallel to the "official" cannon.  SF has its own
cannon as well (Tolkien, Zelazny, Herbert, even Heinlein), but what is
significant about the non-DWM cannon is that it has adherants in high
places in academe.  These are the folks who are feuding with the old
school and arguing for the inclusion of these non-DWMs into the
"official" cannon.

>
>
>--
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>North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
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>Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca
>

	-Phil
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Level 7
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:06:11 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <29805@castle.ed.ac.uk>, by ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare):
> Just a quick message to thank all those who responded to my query about 'Level
> 7' by Mordecai Rishwold. Looks as if I may now have tracked down a copy.

Still Roshwald. :-)
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Niven/Mote in God's Eye
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:24:30 GMT
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In <BznwIA.1CI@ecf.toronto.edu> hora@ecf.toronto.edu writes:

> Some of Niven's worst stuff has also emerged from his collaborations with
> Pournelle; _Fallen Angels_ and _The Barsoom Project_ were terrible, as was
> _Achilles' Choice_, which he wrote with Barnes.  This if of course, MHO...

  _Barsoom Project_ did not include Pournelle.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Lois McMasters Bujold
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:48:14 GMT
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My wife & I have met Ms. Bujold at conventions; she's in her
late '30s, comes originally from Marion, a smallish town in
Ohio (not sure if she still lives there) and has 2 or 3 children.
Or at least that's what my wife remembers hearing.  

I find her stories are entertaining and have some interesting
ideas, but a little "fluffy"; it will be interesting to see
what she does if she ever decides to get really serious.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Sci-Fi & Merit
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:44:58 GMT

     What is it for a sci-fi work to have merit? In order to answer this 
question, we first need to know what merit is in this context. Let us begin.
     First, we must determine whether merit is subjective or objective. It is 
clear that the entertainment value of a work is highly subjective: for x to be 
entertaining is for x to entertain a certain person, at least in most case. 
What I find entertaining is likely to be quite distinct from what others find 
entertaining. Merit, in part, does seem to be subjective in some degree. 
However, it seems that there is at least a degree of objectivity in the merit 
of a work. After all, we would want to say that someone who said that 
Shakespeares works lacked merit was making some sort of mistake. The difficulty
lies in specifying an objective basis for merit. What could it be (if 
anything?).
     Second, the nature of merit needs to be worked out. Some aspects of merit 
seem to involve the quality of the writing, the power of its message, what it 
has to say about the human condition, how it affects readers, and so forth. 
What would the nature of merit be?
      Why do we want an account of merit? Well, aside from the philosophic and 
literay importnace of such an account, an appeal to merit is an effective tool 
against the censors and other enemies of freedom. Of course, it doesn't always 
work. Why else might we want such an account?
Michael
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From: jbh@feenix.metronet.com (Justin B Harvey)
Subject: Dune Newsgroup
Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:19:51 GMT

Is anyone interested in creating a Dune or Frank Herbert fan newsgroups
in 'alt'?

Justin
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From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.022613.17317@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.125910.13054@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.000017.29100@bnlux1.bnl.gov> weiner@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Gary Weiner) writes:
>>>The thing is, if you want a more diverse cannon (and this is a good thing
>>>IMHO) then don't say "We Need More Black/Red/Blue/Yellow/Women/Homosexual
>>>/etc authors in our cannon" say "We should have this book in our cannon
>>>because it deserves to be there"
>>
>>Yes and no.  Many of the arguments for inclusion ARE based upon some form
>>of merit or deservedness.  BUT, we, as literati should PUSH the non-DWM
>>or even non-WM for inclusion FIRST, because they have been left out so
>>long.  Kind of a literary affirmative-action if you will.
>
>And just like affirmative-action in the "real world", such a policy
>will perpetuate racism and whatever other -ism you're trying to
>overcome.  If you push non-DWM works, not because they're good, but
>solely because the racial/ethnic/whatever membership of the artist is
>"in" this year, you will produce the effect of placing the best DWM
>works side-by-side with inferior non-DWM works.

Not at all.  You have missed the point.  All I am arguing for is an
enhanced recognition of works which have been characteristically
underrepresented in the canon.  I made no claim to exclude "superior"
DWM books and include "inferior" non-DWM works.  You read that into what
I wrote.  I suspect it's a knee-jerk reaction to that phrase
"affirmative action".  But don't worry.  My trap wan't TOO obvious. :)

>
>(That's the thing above all else that I find so infuriating about the
>PC crowd:  Intentions are all that matters, and pointing out the
>inevitable effects of fuzzy-minded good intentions gets you a bunch of
>shrieking irrelevancies.  Not talking about you, here, but other
>discussions I've been in.  Doubtless now that I've posted this, we'll
>be treated to an example.)

Naaaaaah!  That'd be too easy.  I'd rather hang you with your own words,
it's much more fun.

>
>-- 
>Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
>mvp@netcom.com         | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
>                       | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
>                       | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry

	-Phil

P.S. Aren't we arguing in alt.activism/talk.politica.misc too?
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From: pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Name this Book.....*pleeezze!*
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:57:27 GMT
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
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herbert@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote:
: ...Sounds kind of like "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman, but it sounds
: more like "Bill the Galactic Hero" by ??? Harrison (?) (I can't remember
: the author).  It's the funny part that tips you off

Given that it's funny, it might even be that excellent book,
"Who Goes Here?" by Bob Shaw.  Was the hero called Warren Peace?

Peter.
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From: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Alex Stewart
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:39:22
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In-reply-to: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:08:08 GMT

Has anybody read or heard of this writer? I have a friend who used to 
correspond with him and has since lost touch, so any information on his
publisher, etc. would be much appreciated. Replies by private e-mail, please.

----------
Terence
T.Chua@qmw.ac.uk or tchua@soda.berkeley.edu
From: robinson@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Keywords: tigana
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:11:34 GMT
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).

In article <1992Dec21.175906.8110@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:

>In article <1992Dec18.015418.23388@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, colin@callisto.pas.rochester.edu (Colin Roald) writes:
>|> swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen) writes:
>|> 
>|> I'm suddenly curious--what authors are on other people's "auto-buy" lists?
>|> Meaning that if you see one of their books and you don't have yet and the 
>|> money is in your pocket, you buy it--no further questions asked.

>A A Attanasio     (I forgive him for Wyvern.)
>Iain Banks        (With or without the M.)
>Robert Forward
>Robert A Heinlein (If I see it, I will buy it.)
>R A Lafferty
>Anne McCaffery
>Spider Robinson
>Vernor Vinge
>Roger Zelazney    (I *like* Amber. Sorry.)

The following authors are on the list, no questions asked

Robert A Heinlein
Clifford Simak
Michael Crichton
Robert Sheckley
Harry Harrison
Niven + Pournelle
Douglas Adams (even though he has gone off)
Fred Saberhagen (not the fantasy stuff)
Orson Scott Card

Cheers,
Michael
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: David Eddings: The Sapphire Rose
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:51:57 GMT

Dani Zweig (dani@netcom.com) wrote:
: As for no paperback being worth $6, there are two senses in which this
: could be meant.  If you mean that it's offensive to pay far more than
: you feel the price 'ought' to be, I can sympathize.  If you mean that
: no paperback gives you $6 worth of enjoyment, you don't speak for me
: or for those who are still buying those paperbacks.  

Well, $6 being high may be relative too. 

I think if you pay $6 for a paperback, you tend to enjoy it *more* than
if you'd pay less -- at least I feel I need to get my money's worth!
Older $2 books picked up at a used store for half price don't really
*have* to be enjoyed as much as the brand new $6 ones.

But, if I paid $6 for a %*%&$% paperback, I at least don't want the 
INK RUBBING OFF THE PAGE ONTO MY HANDS as I read, which is what
JRR Tolkien's Lost Tales books seem to be doing that I got for
Christmas! Now *that* is a rip off... 

Scott

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From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in S.F.
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:34:01 GMT

I haven't been following this thread very closely, so forgive me if I'm
repeating--but I suddenly remembered an Eric Frank Russell novelette, circa
1950 or so, about a planet of anarchist nonviolent-resistance types
rediscovered by a highly bureaucratic Earth government. The anarchists' motto
is MYOB (Mind your own business) and they drive the Earth crew bananas
because they won't be intimidated and refuse to cooperate unless they feel
like it. Now *I'm* going bananas because I can't remember the title of the
story! Help, please...


--
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North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
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