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From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Stereotypes of Soviet Peoples
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:32:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan2.230918.4353@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:

>You assumed, therfore,
> that their reluctance to be part of the same country as Russia means
> that "peaceful coexictance" is unlikely in that case as well. This can
> be true only in case "peaseful coexictanse" is possible only between 
> parts of the same country. And this assumption is typical for imperialistic
> mentality. H

You can use long words and long sentences as long as you are capable
of writing lucid English sentences. I'm still unable to fathom your
logic since it doesn't answer my question.

Please elaborate on your sentences. I don't see any connection so
far in anything you write with anything else.



>Hope that helps (however, I'm a bit pessimistic; you doesn't 
> seem to be able to comprehend written text ;->)

I certainly "doesn't" seem to comprehend your text. Is it 
supposed to be English ? :-).. or sovokish ?
-- 

	mark	

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From: Sorokin@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at (Sorokin Zhenya)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes of Soviet Peoples
Organization: Inst. of General Electronics and Electroengeneering, TU Vienna
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:23:17 GMT

In article <Jan.1.22.52.24.1993.4235@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
>In article <Sorokin.36.725923408@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at> Sorokin@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at (Sorokin Zhenya) writes:
>
>> And do not forget, Chechens are muslims, so the prospectives of "peaceful 
>> coexistence" are very, very dark.
>> Sorokin Zhenya
>
>
>Would you please elaborate on this. The Balts are not Muslims and
>they apparently did not want to live a life of "peaceful coexistence"
>as a part of the USSR. Neither did the Armenians and Georgians.
>-- 
>

Even russians didn't want to live as a part of the USSR.

Still, I can imagine peaceful coexistence of estonians and russians in 
_democratic_ Russia as well as in democratic Estonia. 

The problem is, that the difference in the life order in islamic and 
in christian societies is so high, that the peoples assimilate very poorly. 
Examples are Lebanon, Turks in Germany, and others. There are no examples 
of the two cultures living together in some mixed state. One of the cultures 
have to be dominant and define the life order of the whole state, the 
second being a cultural/ethnic minority. They are simply incompatible, 
which doesn't mean that one is by definition superior.

So, current situation of Chechnya having *open boreders* with Russia cann't 
last for long. Either Chechnya will lose its independency and adopt life 
order of democratic Russia, or it will turn out to be a completely 
independent state with normal borders. In current situation only mafiosy 
from both countries make their profits. 

The only problem is, that all borders in Northern Caucasus are purely hand-
drawn (and re-drawn) so that every meter is subject to conflict. This refers 
also to some other borders.
To my mind Russia bears a heavy responsibility of creating a 
new *peaceful* order in the whole ex-Empire...ex-USSR. This responsibility 
is also recongnized internationally. Up to now Russia did it _very_ poorly. 
However, this is a separate big topic for this forum.

>	mark	
>
>   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
>   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey    

Yours,
Sorokin Zhenya
Vienna, Austria.
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Chechenian reputation (Was: Soviet military training
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:52:05 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Dec30.213232.8829@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, 
mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
> In article <01GSXCK83JTE8WWTNJ@MUVAXJ.RFERL.ORG> "talk.politics.soviet via 
ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>>>I have heard that most ruthless privates came from
>>>Tshesheni-Ingushia.
>>
>>Oh, come on... How can you believe those stereotypes? The Chechen
>>republic wants to secede from Russia--that's the reason for all
>>the carefully nurtured rumours and stereotypes, like the one
>>that most of them are criminals and mafia members.
>>
>>Sometimes those stereotypes can be very persistent. For example,
>>many people think that the famous 'Afghantsi' are all macho,
>>tough guys who don't care about any dangers. Bull...! They are
>>normal young guys not different from other soldiers.
>>
>>Sabirjan
> 
> 
> I spent some time (namely, 2 years) in the Sov.Army & can assure
> everyone that the cited statement is not just stereotype. As for 
> Chechen desire to secede from Russia - my opinion ( & of many my friends, 
> too) that Russia would benefit greatly from "sanitary cordon" on 
> the border of "Independent Chechnja". Want would you say about
> politician who use the threats of terroristic actions against Russians 
> as a tool for pressuring Russian government ? This is precisely what the
> head of this "independent republic" general Dudaev did repeatedly in his
> interviews to Russian media. Not to mention mafia structures formed 
> by the citizens of "free Chechnia" in many Russian citys. 


Dudayev was, if I recall right, the commanding officer of the Tartu
air forces and corps in Estonia. During previous summer, he once offered 
- as a Chechenian leader - troops of parachutists to help Lithuanians in their 
independence struggle (Source: Baltic Independent & Baltic Observer). 
Landsbergis and the Lithuanian government did not accept this kind of "help".

I do not want to develop any stereotypes, just receive more information
on Checheno-Ingusia. 

On my side, I could add that in 1991, the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel
reported that there were an active "Chechenian" mafia in unified Berlin,
which had blackmailed some shopkeepers in the centre of Berlin, mainly
in Kantstrasse. 

Anyhow, is is a fact that Chechenians have this kind of REPUTATION.
It's another story whether it corresponds to the facts.

Comparing stereotypes with the facts and statistics and other documents 
is interesting and sometimes, even enjoyable!


with best regards
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Soviet military training
Date: 2 Jan 93 07:36:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan2.045631.15193@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:

>...[attempts at with]...

Mr. Kagalenko, whatever your motives or methods are, they
don't interest me. You can continue to show yourself
for whatever you are.

Let me ask you again, once more:

You stated that you wanted a 'sanitary cordon' around the
Chechens or Chechnia. You also stated unequivecally that
the Chechens are of low intellectual/mental caliber.

Once again, for the record of thousands of people reading:

1. How do you know about Chechen intellectual abilities ?

2. What exactly is your idea of 'sanitary cordon'.

If you still have problems understanding the questions, I will
be happy to repeat.

'You can run, but you can't hide.'
You can insult but you can't fool anyone.
You  can wiggle and squirm but you can't escape.


Sincerely,

"Sticks and stones may break by bones but words will never hurt me."
				American Saying....
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Justice For Turkish Genocide --- ooof
Date: 22 Dec 92 06:28:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1h53d1INNlcj@network.ucsd.edu> dharkins@papillon.ucsd.edu (Dan Harkins) writes:

> Ouch. That hurt Hasan. Speaking of zoos, is there any truth to the rumor
> that you were the inspiration for the jailkeeper with the taste for men
> in the film Midnight Express? I'm reminded of that famous quote from the
> movie: "If the Turks don't like to eat pork, how come all their women are 
> pigs."


If Mutlu/ARgic insulted you personally, I suggest that you show
enough intelligence to do the same. Nitwits who insult whole
peoples are called racist in these neck of the woods.


Waiting for an apology. Or else we'll know who the real pig is.
-- 

	mark	


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 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: dima@maths.uwa.oz.au (Dima Pasechnik)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Metal smuggling (Was: Soviet military training
Date: 2 Jan 1993 04:21:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:

>In article <1992Dec31.023346.13878@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, 
>mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:

>I comment only one detail in an interesting posting:

>> Baltic rep. are
>> independent already. Strong border is a good idea in that case too,
>> since considerable part of national product of this countries is 
>> obtained by smuggling valuble metals from Russia (tolerated by 
>> governments of those rep.) & selling to the west without paying export 
>tariffs.


>The Baltic states are for a strong border, especially Estonia, which
>has it's bordes in at least preliminary control now. Many Russians
>have opposed more rigid border controls and custom and visa regulations
>in Estonia, instead.

>"Considerable part of national production" is a very vague statement.
>It is true that some individual fortunes have been accumulated in
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>metal trade, at least in Estonia, about which I know something. But
>still, the Estonian economy works mainly with some other kinds of trade:
>textiles, food processing, oil shale and such things.

>Claiming that Estonian government would "tolerate" smuggling is a hard
>accusation which should be substantiated by some facts.

>I have got the impression that the problem is the LEGAL trade:
>smuggling is forbidden in Estonia and not tolerated. But what should
>the Estonian goverment or police do when the non-ferrous metals 
>exported from Russia have their Russian custom papers totally in order?
>The problem is that Russia can't eradicate the corruption of it's own
>and does not effectively control the Red army.

>Or have you got another kind of impression?

Yes, the corruption in Russia is incredible. But in this case it is
inspired from abroad, since it benefits that "some individial fortunes"
(see above) mainly. Certainly, this people who made "some fortunes")
are bribing  russian officials (mayby indirectly, but...). 
Do you think this is the Estonian's govt. duty to prevent
crimes comitted by Estonian citizens not only within Estonian borders?


>asks
>the observer
>Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
>                   urbs fennorum

Regards,
D.P.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: henry@bms.com (Henry Mednikoff)
Subject: Re: U.S. reserve officers support program to a
Reply-To: henry@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:30:01 GMT

Why do I have to pay my tax dollars to retrain former soviet officers & millitary personal?
Don't we have enough discontent in the inner cities where people need training & skills?
Every time CIS needs new infusions,they begin to blackmail countries to come up with new aid package or else...
Why the world community can not use the millitary expertise of hi tech, well trained troups of CIS in Yugoslavia to stop the bloodshed?
Where were they 2 years ago when The US, France & GB were risking lives of their personal in the UN declared war on Iraq?
The only person I noticed at that time, was Mr. Primakov - a special envoy to Iraq, who was negotiating with Saddam.
If they want to get paid , why not to work for the money ?


Henry.
From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Control generally (from Knee Jerks in MA)
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:43:05 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Concerning 'Rational' Gun Control in England:

Oh yes, Merrie Olde England, the country that had it's prime minister
beg us for weapons when the Germans were threatening to do to them
what they had already done to France.

Seems to me that the lesson failed to take hold yet again.

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From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Date: 3 Jan 1993 19:04:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) makes assertion:

RK>What most people in this thread want is the right for anyone to just
RK>walk into Fred's Gun Store, plunk down the money, and walk out with
RK>the gun and ammo of choice.
RK>I maintain that I wouldn't want to live in a state like that, as it
RK>would rapidly turn into a scenario like Beirut.

	Another poster proves assertion wrong with example:

>>Gee, Rick, don't ever come to Georgia then because any resident can... 
>>Georgia has one of the lower crime rates in the nation.  I should

	Rich responds with a non sequtir:

>So, do you carry a gun 24 hours a day?

>>also note that until last year when we defeated it in court, Fulton
>>County (atlanta), the FBI's 2nd place murder capital of the nation 
>>HAD a waiting period.  Is the crime rate a coincidence?
	
	Rich ignores question, responds with another non sequtir:

>Does everyone in Atlanta carry a gun now?


	Now that your assertion has been debunked with counter
examples, I assume you now have moved to either: 

1)  "I no longer maintain that I wouldn't want to live in a state like 
that, as they do not, in fact, rapidly turn into a scenario like Beirut."

2)   "I maintain that I wouldn't want to live in a state like that, 
even though they do not, in fact, rapidly turn into a scenario like 
Beirut, because I have thought of a new reason."


	It doesn't look like you have any other choices.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:47:38 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <0tsrqk_@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>
>>In article <9212311249.09@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>What most people in this thread want is the right for anyone to just
>>>walk into Fred's Gun Store, plunk down the money, and walk out with
>>>the gun and ammo of choice.
>
>>Since there don't seem to be any benefits to policies other than that,
>>what's so unreasonable about it?
>
>Yup.
>
>>>I maintain that I wouldn't want to live in a state like that, as it
>>>would rapidly turn into a scenario like Beirut.
>
>Gee, Rick, don't ever come to Georgia then because any resident can 
>just walk into any gun store, plunk down the loot and walk out with
>a gun.  Not only can I buy a pistol any time I want, I can also
>get a non-discretionary concealed carry permit just for the asking
>and the payment of a small fee.  (non-discretionary in that the gov't
>cannot withold the permit from people who meet the law abiding criteria.)

So, do you carry a gun 24 hours a day?

>I should note in passing that with the exception of Atlanta,
>Georgia has one of the lower crime rates in the nation.  I should
>also note that until last year when we defeated it in court, Fulton
>County (atlanta), the FBI's 2nd place murder capital of the nation 
>HAD a waiting period.  Is the crime rate a coincidence?

Does everyone in Atlanta carry a gun now?

-- 

Rick Kelly    rmkhome!rmk@merk.com    merk!rmkhome!rmk    rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: jbs@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: The War On Drugs and the National Guard
Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:19:53 GMT

In article <ARCHER.544.725645101@utkvm1.utk.edu> ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>>
>>   (National Guard Regulation 584-3, Section II, page 6)
>>
>This releases the Guardsman from legal obligations and puts the onus of 
>lawbreaking on his CO.  That way, line grunts can follow thier orders 
>without worrying about getting sued.

Seems to me that getting sued should be the LEAST of their worries if
they decide to follow such orders...

  -joe
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: karl@dixie.com (Karl Klingman)
Subject: Cab Driver Shoots Perp
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:54:59 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Summary: Cab Driver Foils Robbery

Today on the 12:00 news in Atlanta, Ga. a cab driver foiled an armed
robbery attempt and probably saved his life.  An Atlanta cab driver
after being robbed on several previous occasions decided to purchase
a handgun, which he carried concealed in the small of his back.  While
stopped at a traffic light an armed assailant approached his car, 
pointed a gun at his head and demanded money.  The cab driver said,
"I asked God what to do and he told me to pull my gun and fire."
The cab driver shot the perp several times fatally wounding him.
The district attorney does not plan to file any charges in the case 
saying, that it is clearly a case of self-defense.


Score one for the good guys.  If anyone else hears of cases like this
one please post them.
-- 
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short-term security deserves        |  American Research Group, Inc.
neither...   Ben Franklin           |  emory!slammer!arg!karl
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Lawrence Mass.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:13:39 GMT

In article <105573@bu.edu> merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt) writes:

>In a for 4 block area known for drug dealing and prostitution
>they have "sealed off" the area. Residents are given "passes".
>There are checkpoints where the police will ask to your
>license and registartion, they give you a card explaining why
>you were stopped and they record your licence plate number.
>The first effect is on Suburbanites who come into the 
>city to buy drugs or sex. Not activities you want veiwed
>in the harsh light of day. The second is that the high visibilty
>of the police has also reduced the number of people loitering
>(of which might be drug dealers and prostitutes).
>It seems to be working. Streets where children dared not play
>or old people dare not venture are now safe.

>It may not last:
>The ACLU is taking legal action against the Lawrence Police.

Welcome to a police state.  They did this in the USSR too.  Had to
have a pass to travel, had to have a pass to get into most major
cities.  Pardon me citizen, may I see your papers?
-- 
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N9ISY (tech)  # Somewhere out on the  # Politicians prefer  #family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants.   #Space For Rent
From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: For gun control? No not really.
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:25:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
In-reply-to: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU's message of 18 Dec 92 20:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.203300.29575@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:

   In article <105170@bu.edu> merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt) writes:
   >If we do not limit availabilty than I must assume it
   >remains as easy for any person as it was for Wayne
   >to get his gun. Being only 18 he would have had more
   >trouble getting a six pack.

&   Not close.  Then again, I note that coke is rather easy to get despite
&   the legal restrictions, so ....

So what? When was the last time someone use "coke" as a high speed
projectile to kill someone? What's your point?

   >My position then is I shall arm myself.

&   Go for it.

I am certainly considering it. What type of gun should I buy?

&   Merritt apparently believes that disarming him can provide benefits.
&   He's wrong.  (Disarming him at best is a no-op and won't disarm anyone
&   who is worth disarming.)  He thinks we should be shocked by the
&   possibility that he might have several guns.  If he's like the rest of
&   us, there's no risk.  Should we jail him so that we won't be
&   "shocked"?

I believe that the proability of being shot is too high. There must
be an environmental change;

1) restrict gun availability

2) restrict ammunition availabilty

3) allow people to create communities where the *can* control
   guns and their use.

I don't intend to shock anyone. If the creation of autonomous
Anarcho-Capitalist zones shocks you, sorry. Jail me? Because
I'm niether a Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal?
I am a Anarcho-Capitalist that believes Social Engineering is
possible. Or is my crime that I find the present proabilities
of being murdered with a gun unacceptably high. Your stance is
to compel me to gamble with my life. I but no such impositions
on you. Infact all I ask is to join with others who think as
I do and create a sane and safe enviromnet.

-sjm

--
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Dept of Physics Boston University|  and an appeal to the essence of being."
merritt@macro.bu.edu             | Albert Camus, The Rebel