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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How to move two Lasers?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:20:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 3060050@otter.hpl.hp.com, ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
> 
> I may in the future want to move two Lasers at a time.  I could:
> - get a double trailer 
> - trail one and put the other on the roof of the car.
> - Try to tie two boats onto one trailer
> 
> I'm not sure I like the sound of the third option and I have a few questions
> about the others.
> 
> * How easy is it to get a Laser on the top of a car?
> * Do double Laser trailers exist?
> * If I get a double trailer is it going to be pain if I only want to move one
> boat?  If I have a single combi trailer I should be able to load it on my own,
> would a double be as easy to use?

I know I have seen two Lasers on one trailer.  I didn't pay a whole lot of attention,
but I think what they did was put one Laser on the trailer (in the normal way) and
sit the other on top.  They had cut two wooden spacers, cradles, bunks (or what
ever you want to call them) to fit on top of the lower Laser for the upper one
to sit in.  These cradles were covered with carpeting to protect the surfaces and
cushion the jarring somewhat.  A hold-down strap (or maybe two) was tightened 
over the top of the top Laser to hold them both on the trailer.

Seems like a reasonable approach, so long as you are not using a minimal trailer
in the first place.

Jeff Huntington
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Abandoned boats and marinas
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:05:07 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:

>I was driving by a bunch of marinas with a friend
>the other day, and he pointed out a whole section
>of old wooden power boats rotting on land.  He said
>that all those boats were just left there by the owners
>and the marinas are stuck with them.  He said that
>the marinas can't sell them, because they don't own
>them.  Yet the owners just leave them there because
>if they try to reclaim them, the marinas will sock
>them with many years worth of storage bills.

If the bills are unpaid, the marina owner could sue on them; if he
wins a judgment, he can collect the judgment by levying on the vessel
and selling it. In most states, actions on an account are very simple
and quick, as is levying on a judgment.

Also, the marina owner is likely to have a lien on the vessel for the
bills. That may only mean that the marina doesn't have to release the
boat unless it gets paid, but it may give the marina the right to sell
the vessel, if the account remains unpaid for a set time.

The lien on the boat and the marina's remedies against the boat are
probably governed by Admiralty law, rather than state law, though my
memory is a bit fuzzy on this.

If the boat has been left unloved for some time, it may not be worth
enough to pay the legal cost of foreclosing the lien. Also, the boat
would probably have to be sold at public auction, which is unlikely to
bring much money.

>This seems very strange that boats would be left stuck
>in a legal tug-of-war.  Some of these boats might be
>a fun project to fix up, especially if you get them
>dirt cheap from the marina owners to begin with.

Clearly a man who has never owned a wooden boat ....

dhs   spencer@panix.com
From: robert@cowan.edu.au (R.CROSS)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: racing rules simulator
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:02:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: scorpion.ac.cowan.edu.au
Keywords: racing


I am a keen sailer racing on racer/cruisers, but my knowledge of the racing 
rules is building very slowly and only by experience.  

Does anybody know of a simulator, preferably on an IBM compatible PC and 
preferably shareware, which would help in learning the racing rules?

Bob Cross        Computer Science Dept       Aarnet:  R.Cross@cowan.edu.au
Edith Cowan University   2 Bradford St       Phone:   +61 9 370 6333
Mt Lawley  Western Australia  6050           Fax:     +61 9 370 2910
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Rules question
Keywords: room at an obstruction
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:54:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: spss.1992Nov10.165434.5596
Organization: SPSS Inc.

>>(Dennis Bartley) writes:
>>
>>>Suppose 2 boats on OPPOSITE tacks on a beat are approaching an
>>>obstruction. The starboard boat can clear the obstruction without
>>>altering course. Is there any rule that allows the port boat to hail
>>>for room?
>>
>The two rules that deal with obstructions are rule 42, Rounding or Passing
>Marks and Obstructions, and rule 43, Close-Hauled, Hailing for Room to Tack
>at Obstructions. Rule 42 does not apply between two yachts on opposite tacks
>when they are on a beat, and rule 43 applies only to two close-hauled yachts
>on the same tack. Therefore, I see no way for the port boat to hail for room.
>
>However, I cannot picture in my mind any situation where a tack on the part of
>the starboard boat would be required for the port tacker to be able to clear
>the obstruction. In anything I can think of, the port tack boat should be able
>to either tack early, duck the starboard boat, or duck down and then tack in
>behind the starboard boat. Therefore isn't this a moot point?
>

I'll agree it takes a little bit of imagination... but the incident
did happen a few years ago. We were frostbiting Penguins inside a
harbor. There are "stardocks"... a large circle with about 10 dock
radiating out where we can moore 20 boats. The stardocks certainly
rank as obstructions. 

The race had marks to starboard. The windward mark was placed
uncomfortably close to one of these stars. We approached the windward
mark on starboard tack. A port tack boat was just ahead, but couldn't
cross us. If he tacked, he'de crash into a finger of the the stardock.
We could continue on starboard and clear the dock. It was too late
for him to bear off without hitting us. Not exactly a great position
for him to have gotten into. We tacked so he wouldn't crash... but I 
thought he fouled us.
From: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Electronic charts
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:49:01 GMT
Reply-To: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:
>I often wondered about digitizing marine chart into electronic
>digital form for sailing community.  Being quite familiar
>with Geographical Information System technologies (GIS) for its
>application on land, navigation, route optimization, I am interested
>to find out more about the "electronic marine chart".
>Can someone on the net tell us more about this technology?

i have used the trimble navgraphic which has digitized charts on
compact disk. It works fairly well, charts are actual NOAA charts.
The screen is too small to do useful piloting. I use it for a
reference, but always keep an updated plot on a real chart.

There are a number of similar systems on the market, some better
than others. The name of the company that does the digitizing for
trimble eludes me right now but I could find out if you wish.

Rob Michaelson
From: chatzi@beauty.asd.sgi.com (Chatzigianis Tony)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Digital Compass
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:09:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.asd.sgi.com
Keywords: chip

I promissed to post the info about the Digital Compass.

	The Digital Compass (MOD1)
	Part # 1490
	Dinsmore Instrument Co.
	1814 Remell St., Flint, MI 48503

-- 
*********************************************************
An eye for an eye		  Tony Chatzi
will make the world go blind      ASD Video x3418
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From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Charter in France
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:12:05 GMT

 
I deal with Boats U.S.  (800) 477-4427.  Mimi Stokes has set me up with some
nice charters all over the place.  She is knowledgeable and has connections
with brokers nearly anyplace you can ask.
 
Besides, they take credit cards and work on your behalf if anything goes
wrong.  /Stu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Abandoned boats and marinas
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:24:09 GMT
Keywords: Salvage, Abandoned boats, marinas



Hello,

I have been following the salvage "thread" which
has prompted a related question regarding salvage.

I was driving by a bunch of marinas with a friend
the other day, and he pointed out a whole section
of old wooden power boats rotting on land.  He said
that all those boats were just left there by the owners
and the marinas are stuck with them.  He said that
the marinas can't sell them, because they don't own
them.  Yet the owners just leave them there because
if they try to reclaim them, the marinas will sock
them with many years worth of storage bills.

This seems very strange that boats would be left stuck
in a legal tug-of-war.  Some of these boats might be
a fun project to fix up, especially if you get them
dirt cheap from the marina owners to begin with.

Can't this situation be avoided with some sort of
abandonment/salvage claim by the marinas so they can
get these boats off their property?
Is my friend correct on this situation??  Does this
boat owner/marina stalemate really exist?

Any info would sooth my curiosity.

Thanks,
Keith
From: bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Request for Info: Broker references (east & gulf coasts)
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:37:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>
>Anyone have a favored publication with sailboat/broker listings?
>
>
>In the past I have gone the 'for sale by owner' route for many
>things (my house, furniture, etc.) and in some respects am biased
>towards that market. Professional sales people, let alone
>companies whose entire staff consists of sales people, give me the
>willies, though if appropriate I do buy/sell through a broker
>(e.g. stocks, options, etc.)
>(lastline)
>
Try SOUNDINGS magazine.  It has one section of classified ads with many boats
for sale.....pages and pages.....mostly by owners.  It's biased towards the
Northeast, but has an overall wide range of market area. Ther other section of
boating news is surprisingly worthwhile too.
The address is at home, email me if you can't find a copy locally.
Brent
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: HELP NEED INFO!
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:14:17 GMT

Could someone provide me with information on the waters between Miami
and Palm Beach, preferably specific data for the Ft. Lauderdale area,
given the following conditions:

Location: Ft. Lauderdale; nearshore environment; 1-2 Nautical miles
          offshore
Time:     June-July

The info I would like to know is:

Average Wind Speeds and Direction (Wind Rosette if available)
Average Wave Height
Wave Period
Average Surface Current and Direction

or any assistance in what organizations/government bodies which may be
able to provide this info would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

Please e-mail skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (can also follow up this post).

--
"There is the smell of an election in the air. Some of you believe it is
the smell of tar and asphalt... I assure you, however, that it is indeed
the smell of an election." -   John Savage, Leader of the N.S. Liberals.
                           skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca St. John's, NF Canada
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: GPS concerns
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:32:45 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

To: gps@tws4.si.com(also sent to these folks)
Subject: GPS Precision and Accuracy
 
I have just completed a month-long trip to relocate the Shearwater, a 36'
Pearson sloop, from Houston to D.C.  During that trip there were 4 extended
off shore passages.  We used dead reconing, Loran and a Magellan GPS for
navigation with a backup sextant that never came out of the case.
 
On at least two, possibly three occasions lasting several hours each, the
GPS showed wildly incorrect positions and amaizing (70 knots plus) velocities.
On two occasions, I called the coast guard, being within range, and they were
not able to report any GPS outages.  Both times several fishing and working
boats responded that they, also, were seeing incorrect positions and high
velocities.
 
I reported the corrobative information to the USCG who was both uninterested
and unable to forward the information to a general knowledge bank to tell
other sailors (or pilots) not to depend on GPS.  There seemed to be no
general information source to tell the user community that one or more
of the satellites was incorrect and, as a result, the system was unreliable.
 
The incidents happened during the middle of the night (local time),
but since GPS is worldwide, I presume it may have disturbed day time
navigation someplace.
The USCG did verify that I was not lost and had other, reliable means of
navigation - but were uninterested in the GPS.
 
Is there a general clearing house?  Is there some way to jack up the USCG to
monitor/report GPS outages?  What are pilots going to do when GPS is
approved for precision approaches and it goes out (or worse, reports OK and
is incorrect) for hours at a time?
/Stu Bell
.lf NOTE
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:57:32 GMT

[David Zielke asks about the relative merits of hanks and headfoils]

Cost is certainly one factor in choosing between hank and foil. Another
is the way you like to sail. In my view, there are two advantages to
the foil:

  - Something or other about aerodynamics of clean entries. I can't
    believe that this is a big effect, unless you are racing very,
    very competitively.

  - If you have two grooves, you can shift headsails on the fly.
    This is absolutely essential for racing. Changing jibs early and
    often is one of the keys to racing success.

The big disadvantage is that you have to go forward to hoist down and
lower the sail. This can be wet and dangerous at exactly the time when 
you need to shorten sail. With hanks, you just rig a downhaul from 
the cockpit. Personally, I wish I had hanks on my boat, but that takes 
us back to cost...


Stefan
From: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: crew for key west race week
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:43:26 GMT
Reply-To: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Howdy,

Anyone out there might know of a crew slot for Key West race week?
I'm anxious to go. I have over 20 years racing experience in boats
from lasers to J-44's. I'm a licensed 3rd mate in the merchant
marine and a practicing naval architect.  I would be happy to outline
my racing experience in detail to anybody who might consider me.

Thanks,
Rob Michaelson
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jdh@bryan.jsc.nasa.gov (david hinrichsen 283-4128)
Subject: Re: J/24 Worlds?
Organization: MDSSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:30:29 GMT

> Does anyone know the results for the J/24 Worlds held in Annapolis last
> week?

> Moise Solomon

More important, from my point of view, what were the conditions like?
(I am buying a set of sails off of one of the boats).

Dave.
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From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Items For Sale
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:17:25 GMT

In article <183990007@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth) writes:
 [...]
>there are far more bytes taken up by the chastisements (the fellow who
>quoted the *entire* article should be spanked) than the origninal error
>takes up.

The fellow who quoted the entire article was me.  I don't really want
a spanking, thanks anyway (I suggest you check out alt.sex.bondage).

As I've said, bot in an *instantly* posted followup apology, as well
as at least one other response to a flame, it was an OOPS!!!!!!!

Guess I'll have to post my apology as part of the FAQ...   1/2 :-)

Note: The guy who posted the original has also apologized, he's a newbie
as I recall, had no idea how rec.boats got in the posting.
Not to be confused with my excuse (temporary brain-fade, I'm okay now,
or at least back to normal ;-)

Don
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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:47:47 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <1992Nov9.211851.17066@nas.nasa.gov> blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake) writes:
>
>I am considering purchase of a Beneteau First 375 with running backstays.
>Although we will race it occasionally, we will mainly be cruising, weekend
>sailing in the San Francisco Bay.  I would like opinions/discussions on
>running backstays (which this boat has).
>...


Matthew,

I would hesitate to take any advice about running backs that did not
apply specifically to your boat. Some rigs use them only for sail trim,
some rely on them to hold up the stick.

I crew regularly on the Beneteau First 42 "Rocinante". We use the running
backs all the time, but I doubt very much that we would loose any speed
if we left them off. As you know, they are a tremendous pain in the ass,
and a safety hazard as well. I've noticed this on other boats, too: the 
least experienced member of the crew (one of the owner's office pals, for
instance) is assigned the tedious task of shifting the RBs on each tack.
It's not so bad when they forget to do this on a tack, but on a jibe....

One of our competitors, "Maluhia", seems to only rig them in a blow.

I hope you buy the Beneteau. I'm really impressed by these boats, except for
the newer ones (ex. 45f5) with their Pininfarina logo. I like the looks of
my '74 Alfa Spider, but I'm not sure that I would trust them to do the deck
layout on my boat.

Stefan

P.S. Let me know if you need crew.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: fritzz@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (fritz zaucker)
Subject: Comments on 1983 J22, please
Originator: fritzz@ko.ldgo.columbia.edu
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory, Columbia University, New
	York
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:25:07 GMT


Any comments/recommendations on a

	1983 J22, "nicely kept, well equipped", including trailer, $8900

Thanks for your help,

Fritz
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Good book on sailboat maintenance?
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:15:31 GMT


Hello,

Well, the subject line says most of it....

I'm looking for something than would provide
information on all phases of boat maintenance
from winterizing, waxing, basic engine maintenance,
sail care, etc.

Does such a source exist?  Or do I need
several texts.

I'm just afraid that there is much that I 
should be doing, but I'm not because I just 
don't know that I should be doing it!!!

Thanks for any help,
Keith


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Subject: Hull material, fiberglass, composits, and steel
Keywords: cost, quality and longivity
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:58:26 GMT


This month's Cruising World magazine had an article about
how boat builders using high tech. material to improve the
quality of the hull and it may worth the money to spend the
"extra" money on a new boat than buying older boat. Well, I 
may never have enough "extra" money to buy a new boat from
Hinckly's boat yard but am interested to find out if such
high tech. filter down to the "economical" boats such as
Catalina, Hunter, etc...

Also, why is the steel hull boat builer more popular in Europe,
but not in U.S.? Is it cheaper to build fiberglass boat than
steel hull? What about longivity?
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Request for Info: Broker references (east & gulf coasts)
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:53:18 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <w!q1zb+@rpi.edu>, floydb@rpi.edu writes:
>
> Anyone have a favored publication with sailboat/broker listings?
> 
> In the past I have gone the 'for sale by owner' route for many
> things (my house, furniture, etc.) and in some respects am biased
> towards that market. .........

  I don't have a "favorite" publication for sailboat/broker listings because
  I'm not into owning a sailboat.  But I would say that the publication that
  seems to me carries both a fair number of sailboat broker ads as well as
  private listings is a monthly called Soundings.  The range of boats presented
  is definitely more egalitarian than what is usually encountered in the 
  monthly glossies.

  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
From: jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:31:38 GMT
Subject: VHF radio recommendations
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.boats

      Does anyone have any good or bad expirences with VHF radios and 
      antennas? My father inlaw needs one for his fishing boat.(off shore) 
      I might be interested in a hand held, is there much use for a 
      vhf in northern Calif. inland waters other than the delta?

      Thanks
      Jeff Brown
From: reuven@hri.com (Reuven Koblick)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: YARI (Yet Another Requiest For Info)
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:40:39 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

Hi,

I'm building an A-Class Cat from plans that I purchased from Gougeon
Bros.  The plans must be very old since they gave the address of the
Nat'l class president to whom I wrote and the letter was returned.

So, does anyone have any experience with this cat?  Do they know if
there is still a class organization and where I can contact them?

Also, do you sailers know the address of companies that specialize
in rigging hardware?  I'm especially trying to obtain catalogues from
Schaeffer and Nico Marine.

BTW, to all you aspiring boat builders, the hull is cheap.  It's the
rest that drives you bankrupt.

Reuven Koblick
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Catamaran question...
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:02:40 GMT


Anybody sailed (or seen) one of the HardCore Catamaran Hardcore 16s
yet?  This boat is revolutionary in that the bottoms of the hulls are
_FLAT_ and the tops are narrow (they look upside-down compared to
conventional hulls).  This is to promote _planing_ at high speeds.
This could be the ultimate speed development.  The Hardcore guys
didn't use boards (no daggers or center boards) so they must only be
able to plane downwind...

I was curious if anyone had seen one or sailed on yet (Dave Smyth?)?

--
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worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
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