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From: acooper@nuustak.csir.co.za (Antony Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:40:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuustak.acooper.721675365
Organization: CSIR, South AFrica
NNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za

Thus spake woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow):

>How does this work ?   How can you possibly put international passengers on a
>domestic flight before they clear customs ?  Unless it is not truly a domestic
>flight; ie it doesn't carry domestic passengers, only shuttles international
>pax to another destination in Spain - but then the flight is still classed as
>international, right ?

>Mixing international and domestic pax on the same flight before clering customs
>negates the whole customs check - you just give all your contraband stuff and
>over-the-limit tax free to a domestic passenger to carry off for you !

Last month, I flew on a "domestic" flight from Johannesburg to Cape Town,
both cities being within South Africa. In fact, the aircraft used was one
that had come from Europe (Germany, as I recall), and the domestic passengers
occupied whichever vacant seats they had been booked into - there was no
segregation of the international and domestic passengers. Also, to the best
of my knowledge, the international passengers had not yet passed through
South African customs. Before we boarded, our boarding passes had prominent
red stickers placed on them, and we were warned to retain our boarding
passes.

On arrival in Cape Town, all passengers had to go through passport control,
though the domestic passengers went through separate entrances, where we
had to show our red stickers to get through. From there, all passengers
went to the baggage collection area, where we all retrieved our bags from
the same carousel, and from there, all passengers passed through customs.
Normally, South African customs officials are fanatical about checking
as many passengers as possible who pass through the green, and on this
occasion they were checking as usual. It was rather congested there as
well! I was not stopped, and we were not displaying our red boarding
passes again, so I do not know on what criteria the customs officials
selected their victims on this occasion!

Yes, one could have switched items of luggage quite easily, though I
doubt that one could have switched the contents of cases easily. When
the flight was booked, I was informed that we would be joining an
international flight, so it would have been possible to pre-arrange
such a switch!!

I find it all rather amazing, given the level of devotion that is normally
applied to the search for pornography, drugs, items exceeding a passenger's
duty-free limit (which is negligible) or whatever!

Antony

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: hwc@sei.cmu.edu (Howard Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Information about Mexico
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:29:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Nov6.172904.25105
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


Does anyone know the legal drining age in Mexico, particularly Cancun?

Thanks in advance
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.caribbean
From: munish@eustis.cs.ucf.edu (Munish Jain)
Subject: cheap Accommodation Available in Orlando in Dec./Jan
Summary: Accommodation in Orlando in Dec/Jan
Keywords: Accommodation, Orlando, December, January
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:47:33 GMT

hi

A nice 2 bdrm apt. available in Orlando, Florida from 2nd week of 
December until 2nd week of January. It is in a nice locality and
is furnished - microwave, tv, refrigerator. Ideal for family/group
of people who are looking for a cheap BUT nice accommodation in 
Orlando during x-mas break. 

I will be gone out of Florida during this time so I am interested
in subletting my apt. for the whole period of a part of it. All
tourist attractions like Kennedy Space Center, Daytona Beach,
Cocoa Beach, Disney stuff, Universal, etc. are easily accessible
from here and within 30 min. to 1 hour driving distance.

If you are interested then let me know ASAP. Ofcourse, I will
be needing either a reference or a security deposit.

Munish
munish@cs.ucf.edu
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From: leavitt@jevex.waisman.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: GRAND CAYMAN INFO
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:51:39 GMT
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison

I'm writing for a friend who plans a January trip to
Grand Cayman Island:

Can anyone advise him about pleasant but reasonably priced
hotel accomodations-
and tips about places of interest, restaurants ?

Thanks in advance,
Lewis
From: jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:02:28 GMT
	<1992Nov08.005841.18173@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> <sjones.721229094@cunews>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: jl@SHELLEY.SP.CS.CMU.EDU



In article <sjones.721229094@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

   >So if I go through Madrid airport, picking up a flight to another city in
   >Spain, do I have to go through customes in Madrid or wait until I reach my
   >final destination?  I am confused about this.

   [....]
   customs.  If you were, however, going to catch a flight to Manchester
   from Heathrow you certainly would have to clear customs and
   immigration.  In a very few cases where the plane continues to a
   [....]


 However, in Spain, one goes through immigration in the port of entry and
through customs in the final destination.  Even with change of plane.  
This means that you don't see your checked-in bags until the end of your
last leg.

  I don't know to how many countries this may apply, however.

Juan
From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Election Day 1992: We FINALLY had the COURAGE to CHANGE!)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: ::::: NEW YORK STATE :::::
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone know of any great, beautiful, interesting, and INEXPENSIVE
regions that are worth visiting?  I welcome all information, but I'm
primarily interested in NON-New York City and NON-Buffalo/Niagara info
(ie. All of the Empire State EXCEPT those two areas).  I plan on traveling
over winter break (end/Dec.-early Jan.).

Thanks in advance,
Jesse
From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Train journeys in NE America over Christmas?
Organization: Disorganization
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 05:38:11 GMT

In my planned travels to the US and Canada this year, I'm thinking of buying
an Amtrak pass and using it to travel New York -> Toronto -> Boston -> New
York during December and January.  My questions are:

- Are the trains unreliable because of snow (delays, cancellations etc)?
- Are the trains heavily booked?  How far in advance should I book?
- How feasible is it to use the pass to "wing it" (go places on the spur
  of the moment)?
- Will the trains rides be very scenic?
- What's the difference between first class and second class travel?  (Better
  Food?  bigger seats?  Bar?  Whatever?)
- How comfortable are the trains?
- (Grumble) Can one smoke on board the trains?

As you may be able to tell, I have never been to the Northeast, and have
never gone on a long train journey... any answers to the above would be
greatly appreciated.  Please reply by email (as soon as possible, I want
to book all this soon!).

Thanks in advance,

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kip@hprclkp.mayfield.hp.com (Kip Parent)
Subject: Maui Hotel Recommendation?
Keywords: Maui, Hawaii 
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:04:26 GMT

I am looking for comparisons / recommendations of some hotels on Maui.
We visited the Hyatt Regency a couple of years ago - it looks like a great
vacation.  Has anyone stayed at either the Grand Hyatt Wailea or the Westin,
and can compare to the Hyatt Regency in terms of facilities, amenities, etc?
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: Safari Advice Wanted for Kenya and Tanzania
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.173436.24610@sj.nec.com> hans@midway.tdd.sj.nec.com (Hans
Altenhofen  x3809) writes:
>I'll be traveling to Kenya this coming Christmas for about 3 weeks.
>I plan to book a photo safari package after arriving in Kenya.  I would 
>appreciate any information you have concerning safari companies, safari
>prices, hotels in Nairobi, and other insightful tips and bits.



If you're also going to be in Tanzania, Nogorongoro Crater is probably the best
place, in terms of animals per square mile.  Safaris would be arranged out of
Arusha.

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de (Roland Stahl)
Subject: Hawaii interisland ticket for sale
Reply-To: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de
Organization: IPI University of Hannover
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:34:25 GMT

Hello travellers,

On our last flight on Hawaii during our holidays in September (back
from Hilo to Honolulu) we got a cupon for one Interisland flight. 
It is a thing like buy one flight and get the return free.
Unfortunately we couldn't use it any more, and it expires in March
1993. If anyone of you is interested please mail me. I have to offer
two of those tickets (Hawaiian Air) for 50.-DM/30.-$ each. The original
price for any interisland flight is 69$.




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email: stahl@.ipi.uni-hannover.de


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood)
Subject: Re: Vacation in FLORIDA, info requested
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:24:00 GMT

In article <QezeoTf0BwwqIpcmoc@transarc.com>, Vijay_Anand@transarc.com writes...
> 
>Folks,
> 
>  My wife and I are planning a vacation in Florida during the week of
>Thanksgiving, and would like some assistance about places to stay. We
>are landing in Florida on the 21st, and would like to spend the weekend
>on a beach nearby. I'm thinking of the hotels around Daytona Beach. I'm
>interested in spending a quiet weekend on the beach with not too many
>folks crowding the beach. I'm sure lots of folks reading this group have
>been to Florida. Could you give me some advice as to which hotels to go
>for a room with a view of the beach, and access to the beach with not
>too much of a crowd. Also, good deals on hotels and good experiences on
>staying at some of the hotels on the beach near Orlando are welcome. We
>will be travelling around Florida the next week. If you have ideas about
>places to visit (the not so obvious ones) would be greatly appreciated.
>I promise to post a summary to the net, so please email your replies,
>and thanks for taking the time...
> 
>Thanks,
>Vijay Anand
>Transarc Corp.
>Pittsburgh PA


I've stayed in Datona many many times.  There is a nice place near the
airport called the "Hampton Inn".  I stayed there last February, and
was extremely pleased.  Best wished, and feel free to write for more
info :  bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: dstewart@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Newark airport --> JFK ?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:20:04 GMT

     Can anyone recommend a relatively painless and (optimally) inexpensive 
way to get from Newark airport to JFK?  I appreciate e-mail replies.

Thanks, Dan Stewart
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Rising National Debt - where is this displayed?
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:19:20 GMT
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences

In article <1992Oct31.202932.8036@yenta.alb.nm.us> bob@yenta.alb.nm.us (Bob Knight) writes:
>>>>Does anyone know if such a display really exists, and if so precisely
>>>>where I can find it? I'm going to the USA later this year.
>
>Isn't there one just outside San Francisco, on US 101 near Candlestick Park?

No, that's an MCI sign that tells you how much you could save over AT&T.

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From:  alex@belka.msk.su (Alexander Kushnir)
Subject: Welcome to Russia.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: alex@belka.msk.su
Organization: Belka Ltd.

Dear Sirs,
 The new Public Youth Organisation of Russia that unites the students on
the basic of common interests is happy to  invite you to cooperation.
 Our purpose is to stimulate creative initiative of young people,
render assistance to teenagers to find themselves in different spheres and
to adapt in our quicly-changeable reality.
 We are pleased to invite you take part in our programmes:
1. Non-currenncy exchange
   you have possibility
   - to be acquainted with new Russian organisations and mouvements
     (scouts, businessmen, communards);
   - meeting common Russian families;
   - to go on walking tours around the most beatiful places of
     Moscow Region;
   - to go to sightseeing tours around the Golden Ring of Russia
     (Zagorsk, Vladimir, Suzdal, Gus Khrustalny, etc.);
   - to take part in restoration works of Christian churches;
   - meeting bishops of the Russian church.
2. Tourism
   - walking tours of different special levels of difficulty around the
     Central Part of Russia;
   - holiday-camps on banks of beautiful rivers and lakes;
   - fishing, water and mountain tourism.
3. Organisation of international camps of creative activities for
   teenagers with the participation of specialistics in psycology
   and social pedagofics, volunteers who work with youth organisations,
   young teachers.

 We will be happy to cooperative with all organisations, funds and any
person that can help the young people to find the proper way in our
difficult time.
 We do hope that borders and "Berlin Walls" will disappear between
people of Western and Eastern Europe.
 We are looking forward to hearing fron you.
                            Yours sincerely,
                            Noguinsk Youth Organisation.
   E-mail: alex@belka.msk.su
   Fax: +7-095-524-5212

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: graham@vax.wi.edu (Justin Graham)
Subject: Nepal, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand
Organization: Whitehead Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:42:34 GMT

I'm planning a trip in February, March, maybe longer thru Delhi, Agra, Benares,
Kathmandu, Bangkok, and Columbo, Sri Lanka, with the option to see some more 
of India and Thailand.  Does anyone have any tips on places to go, good side
trips, good deals on food or lodging, or any other advice?

Justin Graham
graham@vax.wi.edu

From: jandoure@hplredHPL.HP.COM (Emil Jandourek)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:22:54 GMT
Subject: OW Bos (Worcester, MA) -> Philly $60/b.o. for sale
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel

OW Bos -> Philly $60/b.o. for sale:

One way plane ticket from Worcester, Mass. to Philadelphia,
6:30 pm Friday 13th November (can be changed for a $25 fee).

Please contact emil@hpcea.ce.hp.com or
phone 408 244 47112.
From: rsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Roby Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Driving Companion needed from Miami to Denver
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:05:21 -0500
Organization: The Tao of Programming
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu
Keywords: drive help miami denver travel

Hello.

I'm looking for someone to help me drive from Miami, FL. to Denver, CO.
somewhere during Dec. or Jan. I'm willing to pick up expenses along the
way (food, rooms, etc)

Please leave e-mail to : rsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu



   thank you


       --Roby
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bernward@rcc.de (Bernward Averwald)
Subject: Kauai after the hurricane?
Keywords: Hawaii Kauai
Organization: Home
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:56:21 GMT

Eventually we decided to go on holiday to Hawaii again after two years.
Last time we were on Oahu, with a day trip to Big Island
and a trip with "Scenic Air Tours" to the other islands.
This time we want to do some island hopping. 
So my question: is it reasonable to go to Kauai in the first half
of january?

Any hints are welcome,

Bernward
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: efenster@igc.apc.org (Eric Fenster)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: French train fares soar
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:29:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1460300129:000:2567
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!efenster    Nov  8 07:29:00 1992


From: Eric Fenster <efenster>
Subject: French train fares soar

 Part of the lore of Reaganomics has been hiding tax increases under such
euphemisms as "revenue enhancements."  The French National Railways, SNCF,
has also indulged in this form of financial trickery in the last decade.
 French train fares used to be strictly based on a per kilometer charge.
With the first high speed TGV trains came the first trick.  The fare from
Paris to Lyon was the same in classic and TGV trains, but the new rail
line was 90km, about 20%, shorter--and a paid seat reservation was
obligatory.
 After the inauguration of the TGV Atlantique, a four-level supplement &
reservation policy was extended across the country with higher charges on
trains with higher demand.  The "yield-management" types were let loose on
France! A reservation/supplement now ranges from $3.20 to $16.00 in 2nd
class, or even $22 if a trip requires travel on both TGV lines. This can
translate, for example, to a supplement between Paris and Bordeaux of up
to 30%.
 Fares are no longer calculated by kilometer and are digressive with
distance, but there's a new hitch.  Across Europe, one can make unlimited
stopovers during a train trip. That was true in France, too, until a few
months ago; now stopovers are forbidden, and that benefit of digressive
fares has been taken back.
 Recently, France introduced reduced advance purchase prices, called JOKER
Fares--a break at last in the rigid fare structure. There were big
discounts for tickets bought 45 days ahead, smaller reductions when bought
15 days ahead. The honeymoon was short. On 27 Sept 92, fares on some
routes went up as much as 20%.  Is this why they were called Joker fares?
 Finally, the Inter Rail card which allowed European youth to travel at a
fixed price (like the Eurail Pass) is being abandoned, largely on the
argument that it's "old" and it's time for a change.  In its place, the
SNCF is offering a youth card which allows 5 days of unlimited travel in
France for about $153. To make that pay, compared to ordinary fares, one
would have to spend much of the 5 days in a train.  These cards, with
their 5-day limits, would be absolutely worthless for people coming from
the north and, say, transiting France on the way to Italy and south (or
vice versa).
  What a way to encourage young people to learn about another country!
Worse, it would be necessary to buy such a card for each country visited.
 Meanwhile, the SNCF continues to pretend that its regular fare increases
are just a few points above the 3% inflation level.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Best Paris Restaurant?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:37:10 GMT

I recommend l'Aiguiere, 37 bis rue de Montreuil, 11e arrondissement.  That's
between Place de la Bastille and Place de la Nation.  Their phone number is
43.72.42.32.  They are open for lunch and dinner Monday through Friday, and
Saturday for dinner only.

The wine list is reasonably complete, with a few affordable Bordeaux and
many expensive ones.  Try the magret de mulard au miel d'acacia (duck squab
in acacia honey).  Wow !!
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: reeser@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com (Amy Reeser)
Subject: Mackinac Island, MI
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:00:05 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: Michigan


My brother and his fiancee are trying to make honeymoon plans for next
July.  They are considering Mackinac Island, Michigan.  Has anyone 
been there?  I'd appreciate any ideas or comments you might have.

Thanks!

-Amy


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Workstation Software                 |
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: coy@guinness.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Coy Correll)
Subject: Re: Bahamas - First trip - HELP!
Organization: Dazix - An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.194755.18833@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>, ffloyd@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Flash Floyd) writes:
|> I have "won" a trip to the Bahamas December 27 - 29 and I've never been
|> there.  My wife and I will be staying at the Running Mon Marina Resort
|> Hotel which is described by the promotional company as a "clean and
|> decent" hotel about 8 miles from (and across the marina from) the Princess
|> resort.  Is anyone familiar with this facility or that particular area?
|> 
I may have mistakenly assumed thet the Princess resort you were refering
to was the same island as Nassau.  I believe there is the Carnaval Princess
resort in cable beach, but there may also be a Princess Hotel in Freeport.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: callahanj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: BAHIA HONDA is great
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:16:00 GMT

BAHIA HONDA!

Everything people say about Bahia Honda is absolutely true!

I spent four days at BH as part of a college spring break trip a bunch of us
made in the 1970s.  What a delightful place.  Learned to climb cocoanut palms
there from my friend who lived in the tropics; slept in a tent at oceanside
under a full moon; got the worst sun burn of my college days walking the coral
snad beach.

Warning:
Casual visitors are often turned away as there are
no sights available and the waiting list is pages long.  My experience was
that we tried to camp there one day and discovered that there were no sites and
that you had to sign up on this four columned pad of legal length paper.  We
signed up but didn't give ourselves much hope.  The next day we did show up
for the roll call and discovered that although many people sign up, they never
show up and so the ranger read through all four pages of mostly no-shows and
we got a site!  Once in we were set for the rest of our visit. 

Morale:  Sign up and Show up!