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From: sloan@willis.cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: last boring calculations
Summary: Fischer [2630..2685], Spassky [2580..2625]
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:00:51 GMT

For both:  initial ratings 2760,2550
           K=16
           "Perf" - using opponent's rating
           "PR"   - using average of both opponents' ratings

A. Both halves rated normally

                      Fischer-Spassky II (Part 2)
                  30 September 1992 - 4 November 1992
Player           Prev Perf Post   rounded     PR
Robert J Fischer 2735 2617 2684    2685      2675
   Boris Spassky 2575 2692 2625    2625      2635


B. First half rated with Fischer as UNR

                      Fischer-Spassky II (Part 2)
                  30 September 1992 - 4 November 1992
Player           Prev Perf Post   rounded     PR 
Robert J Fischer 2660 2592 2630    2630      2625
   Boris Spassky 2550 2617 2579    2580      2685


Interpretation: K=16 accellerates the process somewhat, compared to FIDE
computations, but is appropriate given the steady, inexorable drop in
Fischer's rating.  At the end of the second half, the established rating
and the PR are essentially identical, indicating that we have reached
equibrium.  The only remaining question is whether it is more likely
that Spassky has played 30 or 80 points over his established rating. 

My view is that:

a) if FIDE actually rated this event, the rating changes would be
smaller and Fischer's FIDE rating would still be outrageously high
compared with his present strength.

b) Part A's estimate of 2685 for Fischer's present strength is
plausible, but not as likely as the 2630 estimate in part B.

c) Both estimates clearly indicate that Bobby is not ready for a WC
quality opponent

If this were boxing, we might say that Bobby was analogous to Ali when
he was at his peak, but now the appropriate model is George Foreman.  We
can look forward to a very interesting "seriors tour", but the Bobby
Brigade should probably scale back their expectations.

On the other hand...Capablanca did a reasonable job of halting the
age-induced drop in his rating, and actually got it to start going back
up again - so Bobby may have one more great shining moment ahead of him.
But Capa never quite returned to his peak.  On the third hand, Bobby's
true "peak" might well have been 2950 at age 35-40.  While he may not
ever reach that level, he may well make it back to a "mere" 2800.

Stay tuned.

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: POLISH OPENING
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:41:46 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

does anybody know of any *GOOD* books on the polish opening
which starts....

  1. P-QN4  or 1. b4

please include the author, title, publisher, and date

(or whatever information you have)

thanks a lot!

don wedding
From: smason@zeus.calpoly.edu (Scott A. Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Looking for...
Summary: email games wanted with gay chessplayers
Keywords: e-mail game, gay chessplayers
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:54:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


 	I am interested in playing e-mail games with other gay 
chessplayers.  If interested, reply by e-mail

			smason@Nike.calpoly.edu
			Scott Mason - USCF 2009
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gilmozzi@stsci.edu (Roberto Gilmozzi)
Subject: Re: Miniature
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:41:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.195947.803@math.toronto.edu>
hsieh@math.toronto.edu (Paul Hsieh) writes:

[...]

>A little more seriously though, what am I really supposed to do in the
>event of 1. d4 c5 ?  I played 2. dc but against other people (who do not
>bring their queens out early) black usually ends up having no trouble.
>I suspect the better move is 2. d5 but I haven't had a chance to test it
>out.  BCO (which sadly is my only openings reference) does not list c5
>as a response to d4, so I was wondering if any of the authorities out
>there could verify whether or not 2. d5 is the right thing to do, or
>otherwise tell me what the right move IS.

Try page 65 of BCO-2, which analyses both 2.dc and 2.d5 in the "1.d4: early
divergences" chapter...

Roberto


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: olesen@math.uiowa.edu (Martin Olesen)
Subject: Re: Gaprindashvilli's strength (was re: Fishcer with odds)
Originator: olesen@walnut.math.uiowa.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:43:13 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA



|> Don't have those lists; however, isn't there a secondary condition for
|> the GM title that in the term one achieves the third and final GM norm
|> one must also be rated at least 2500 ELO?  This could easily get carried
|> away in the average, but it would therefore seem to follow that she must
|> have achieved 2500 at least once.  Further, we should also remember that
|> about 1987 or 1988 FIDE arbitrarily raised womens' ratings 100 points,
|> citing a discrepancy with their true playing strength.


              No, the rule that must have 2500 to become GM (and
           2400 to become IM) is only about 4 years old.


                          Martin Olesen




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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: ICS automail, was: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:14:34 GMT

In article <If0tqam00axbE0smIh@andrew.cmu.edu> John Anthony Chanak <jc79@ANDREW
.CMU.EDU> writes:

>This is not a *real* difficult task, but it takes time to
>implement and test.  I haven't had that much free time on my hands
>recently, so progress has been slow. (Actually, we're quite close- we
>can send mail to external sites, but we can't send mail to cmu... and
>that's unacceptable, since valkyries's non-chess mail all goes to cmu.)

Well, it didn't seem too hard to do it for the GIICS users!
For those of us using VT100s, well, life is tough enough
already.  If this sounds like sour grapes...it is!

-Mark (Squidfeet)

P.S.  Take your time.  Automail *would* be nice, but...I really
      can't complain about the service at valkyries.
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Immopar
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:33:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

From what IM Winslow wrote, Judit Polgar will apparently be playing
Kamsky.  Will this be their first meeting?

Perhaps we should just have Judit's father slug it out (literally) with
Gata's father. :-)  Would Rustam be disqualified, though, for kicking?
:-)

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
From: jriechel@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Fried Liver
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:41:48 GMT


Paul Epstein writes:

   [...]
   ...(Not only is the Fried Liver Attack a win for white but
   Black's Nxd5 possibly gives White even stronger options.)

From what I understand the Fried Liver Attack (arises for the Two Knight's
From: mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Anyone interested in article uploads?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:19:31 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


I recently put on the newsgroup Joel Benjamin's Schliemann article.

If enough people are interested, I can upload past articles from
_Chess Chow_ and put them on the net too.

For example,

"Gruenfeld Defense, Kf1 variation" by myself
"Agony:  Sadler-Wilder, Wilder-Mainke" by GM Mike Wilder
"Torture" by GM Ferdinand Hellers
"AbNORMal Behavior" by GM Mike Rohde
"Lucky Pen" by GM John Fedorowicz.

The purpose of the uploads is to share with the readers the fundamental
aims of the magazine:  mirth, entertainment, instruction.

Kenneth Sloan suggested this method, as compared to the alternative
way where I simply give you a preview of the next issue's contents.

Or, as Joel says, "Chess for fun, chess for everyone."
From: science@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Zimmermann)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: once rated, always rated?
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:03:22 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
X-Organization: (formerly David Taylor Research Center)


From personal experience: when I first came back to playing rated
tournament chess, the USCF didn't locate my rating and gave me a new
provisional one; I wrote them a note telling them when I had last
played (20 years ago!) and they re-activated my old rating (though
they didn't give/take any points for inflation or deflation over the
years) ... very painless.  Similarly, two weeks ago I dropped a note
to Joan DuBois, USCF Postal Chess Director, asking her to reactivate
my similarly-dusty postal rating, and she did so (converting it to the
new system --- I gained almost 600 points instantly! :-) and sent me a
nice note welcoming me back.  So, the trick seems to be to write a
polite letter, and provide some idea of which year they should look
back to (and which state you lived in then) in order to get a rating
re-established for you....

Speaking of postal chess, I've just gathered together a group of four
folks (including me) who are going to try to play a rated double round
robin class-like tourney via e-mail on Prodigy, under postal rules ...
is anybody playing USCF *rated* correspondence chess via Internet
already (other than individual matches?)?  ... I presume that the
medium for exchanging moves isn't a very significant factor, as long
as everybody follows all the correspondence rules ... will write a
letter to DuBois this weekend and send her the checks for each of us,
and see if she approves this experiment....  ^z
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: ICS Ratings -- Average Ratings -- Provisional Ratings
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:20:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.203935.26823@raven.alaska.edu> fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage]) writes:
>...
>
>but perhaps it's not a good idea for the ICS to be different from the
>USCF/FIDE   
>ratings.  I think ICS has a good potential for estimating the strength
>of chess   
>programs, for example.  Another example is the chessplayer who does not
>play OTB   
>regularly.  Besides using ICS to keep his chess sharp, he can also use
>it to gauge   
>how he is doing in general.  But this is not useful if ICS and USCF are
>not even   
>similar.  It's even worse if ICS looks like USCF but is 300 or so points off....

You can meet all of the goals above even if the ICS scale looks
completely different from the USCF scale.  If both ICS chess and USCF
OTB chess are the same animal, and both scales are reasonably good, and
the rating pools don't differ too much...then you should be able to
translate from the ICS scale to the USCF scale at will.

But...the advantage of making the two scales *look* different is that we
won't see people waving about their ICS rating without qualification,
pretending that it is their USCF (or FIDE) rating.

This is one reason that I think it was a mistake to re-align the USCF
Postal (oops - Correspondence) scale to rough alignment with the USCF
OTB scale.  I claim that its more confusing to do things that way.

But, I've been wrong before...

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ronnow@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Roennow)
Subject: Sicilian
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:08:05


hey chessplayers,

I have an open question about the line 
	1. e4, c5 2. f4, d5
What are the normal variations (3. Nc3 & 3. exd but then what?)

Last night i played (black): 3. exd, Nf6 4. c4, g6 5. Nf3, Bg7 6. d4 cxd
7. Nxd4, o-o 8. Nc3, Bd7 9. Be2, Qb6 10. Nf3, Ng4 11. Rf1   ( Here I
couldn't find a satisfying continuation. Maybe It is acceptable to
play 11. ... Ne3 12 Bxe3 Qxe3 13 Qd2 Qb6. Instead i began to dislike
my position after ) 11 ...Na6 12. Qb3 QxQ 13. axQ Nb4 14. Kd1 Rfd8 15.
h3 Nh6 16. Be3 Nf5 17. Bc5 a5 18. Bb6 Re8.

I lost the game :( , but had a few chances during the rest. 
Any comment is aprreciated.

/ronnow -- ronnow@iesd.auc.dk
From: kevin@eye.com (Kevin Stokker)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Once rated, always rated?
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 16:54:42 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY


Sure enough, I think you will still have your old rating.  I was
seven when I started this thing (chess), and I played in tournaments
at seven and eight (this is back in '75).  I dropped it, and after
graduating in '88, I decided to pick up one of my old hobbies again,
now that I had a thing called free time.  My old 1265 rating was there,
sure enough, and just from getting older, I had lots of fun entering
and winning a 1750 and under section.  This, I realize, is beside the
point. ;-)

-kevin
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,gnu.chess
From: arc5@chempc0.york.ac.uk (Alastair Cargill)
Subject: Re: All the Chess Programs for PC
Organization: University of York, UK
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:44:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: chempc0.york.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BxHC1u.AzM@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> sprute@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Udo Sprute) writes:
>From: sprute@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Udo Sprute)
>Subject: All the Chess Programs for PC
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:53:54 GMT
>Dear Chessplayers,
>
>The following text ought to become the Chess-Software-for-PC section
>of Bill Shauck's FAQ file.
>Could you read through it and comment all the items you know anything
>about ?
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The strength of chess-playing software will be highly dependent on the
>hardware it runs on (all software discussed is for IBM PC; those available
>for Macintosh are noted).  Here is a method to approximate the strength
>differences for the same software running on different hardware (source:
>_Computer Chess Reports Quarterly_).
>
>Processor                        Chess MIPs 
>
>8088                      Speed in MHz divided by 19 
>80286, 1 wait state       Speed in MHz divided by 8 
>80286, 0 wait states      Speed in MHz divided by 6 
>80386, no Cache memory    Speed in MHz divided by 6 
>80386 with Cache          Speed in MHz divided by 4.7
>80486                     Speed in MHz divided by 2.3 
>
>Now, if a program has a given rating on a 1 "Chess MIP" machine, this is how
>to adjust the rating for other MIPs (interpolate between points):
>
>MIP:  0.25 0.5 1 1.5  2  3   4   6   8  12  16  24  32  48  64 
>Adj.: -180 -87 0  47 80 124 154 195 223 261 287 323 347 379 402 
>
>For example, a program running on a 10 MHz 8088 (0.5 "Chess MIP" and -87
>points) will be about 272 USCF rating points weaker than the same program
>running on a 33 MHz 80386 (no Cache - 5.5 "Chess MIPs" and +185 points).
>
>Here is a list of commercially available chess software for MS DOS
>and its approximated USCF strength while running on a 486er with 33 MHz.
>For BCF subtract 100, for FIDE subtract 200.
>
>MChess Professional  < 2500  $149.50
>   Runs on a 286er with 640 Kb RAM, but 12Mb of RAM are recommended.
>   (10 Mb are used for hash tables.)  Opening book is 7x as large as
>   amateur version and is programmable.  Improved graphics.

I thought I had read somewhere that MChess Pro runs on 386 and above only. 
This may be incorrect - can anyone clear this up

Al
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: "gordon mazur" <gordon.mazur@canrem.com>
Subject: games for trade
Reply-To: "gordon mazur" <gordon.mazur@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:55:40 EST


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If you are interested, please leave a message stating what you want &
what you have. Any size DOS compatible diskette is OK. I can provide
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: wellerd@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (David Weller)
Subject: Looking for comprehensive chess books...
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:35:17 GMT

I am looking for a decent book(s) on learning chess.  I'm quite the
patzer at the moment, and would like to have one or two books that
can bring my rating up above -120 :-)   So far, I've had two 
recommendations:

	Comprehensive Chess Course (Vols I & II) 
		Lew Alburt and Roman Pelts

	The Road to Chess Mastery
		Max Euwe

My (strong) preference is that these books be in algebraic notation.

Can anybody give comments on these (or other) books?

E-mail, Checks, or Money Orders gladly accepted :-)

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Subject: Re: Best player never to win the World Championship
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:18:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.152457.25196@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mapmef@gdr.bath.ac.uk
(M E Fletcher) writes of Short and Timman:

>[Of course neither of them has the remotest chance against Kasparov.]

	Of course not.  On the other hand, nor did Alekhine against
Capablanca, Euwe against Alekhine [1935], Botvinnik against Smyslov
[1958], Tal against Botvinnik [1960], Botvinnik against Tal [1961],
Petrosian against Spassky [1966], not to mention near misses like
Schlecter, Korchnoi, Karpov.  Did you really think Short was going
to beat Karpov?

	This century, by my estimation, about a quarter of World
Championship matches have gone completely against predictions, another
quarter have been very much tighter than was expected [ie, a much
stronger player has very nearly come unstuck], some [eg Botvinnik
v Bronstein and Smyslov in 1951-7] might reasonably have been expected
to go either way, and only about a third have really been walkovers.

	On that basis, either Short or Timman must have quite a
reasonable chance of becoming a candidate in a few years time
when the discussion of "who was the weakest world champion?"
comes round again [:-)]!

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Immopar results through 1/4-finals
Summary: Bareev,Anand,Kamsky,Kasparov advance
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:04:13 GMT

IMMOPAR SO FAR

Dan Edelman reports this morning:

In the Round of 16:

(mentioned before, but here for completeness)
Bareev beat Karpov
Yusupov beat Salov
Anand beat Adams
Shirov beat Gelfand
J.Polgar beat Timman
Kamsky beat Lautier

and now:
Polugaevsky beat Short
Kasparov beat Kramnik

In the Round of 8:

Bareev beat Yusupov
Anand beat Shirov
Kamsky beat J.Polgar
Kasparov beat Polugaevsky

Semifinal pairings (for Saturday):

Bareev-Anand
Kamsky-Kasparov

--elliott
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: cuban@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia)
Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:12:30 GMT


Ben,

How did you manage to get an automail/mail listing of that game on
ICS?  Neither of the two commands has worked in weeks.  Is this going
to be fixed any time soon?

-Fred Garcia
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Subject: Re: Possible fixes for ICS  (Was: Why I Hate the ICS rating system.)
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:43:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.020100.11181@raven.alaska.edu> fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage]) writes:
>I have an idea which may help....  This should work like USCF's quick-rating  
>and correspondence system.  During the registration process, you should ask  
>for a player's USCF or FIDE rating, and if they have one, use this rating  
>b/10.  Also, have the first 10 or 15 games count toward both the regular and  
>blitz ratings.

So is this how USCF quick chess ratings work???  You start off with your
regular rating and then they go their separate ways?  I guess something
like this is necessary to rate tournaments in which no one has a quick
chess rating.  The local club is trying to hold a quick chess tournament
in the near future.  Any advice on what needs to be done differently from
regular tournaments?  Any special forms needed?

>The secretary says he's on another line.  
>Can I hold for a long, long time?   -TMBG
>Michael Schmahl a.k.a. Black-Robe Mage  

Particle Man   -TMBG

-benoni

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: rjm@cs.brown.edu (Ralph Marshall)
Subject: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Keywords: movie, chess, waitzkin, bobby fischer
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:50:33 GMT

In article <BxF944.6pn@world.std.com> mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser) writes:
[movie version of Searching for Bobby Fischer]
>
>I've heard that Ben Kingsley, the guy who played Gandhi, will be in this film.

Of course, he also played Meyer Lansky in "Bugsy", so who knows what
his charcter will be like...

Since this has virtually nothing to do with chess, please either send
me mail or just say no if you feel like following up on this.

Ralph Marshall
rjm@cs.brown.edu




Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: simanovs@athena.cs.uga.edu (Alexander Simanovsky)
Subject: Info on Chess Tourneys
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:33:41 GMT


Greetings --

I have recently began playing chess again and would like to play in some
unranked tourneys in the Atlanta area (or anywhere in North Georgia, for
that matter).  If any one knows of some coming up could you please e-mail me
some information (names/numbers), or alternatively could someone e-mail the
name/numbers of a chess club or two in Atlanta or Athens.  I would really
appreciate it.  Thanks alot.

P.S.>  I am sure there are many beginners to serious chess such as myself
that would be very interested is a REC.GAMES.CHESS.BEGINNER news group that
would include annotated matches, discoussions of openings, closings, rules,
etc.  I personally think that it would be a great idea!  WHAT DO YOU THINK??

Alex Simanovsky - UGA Law '95            "We suspend our disbelief...
simanovs@athena.cs.uga.edu                  And we are entertained"

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