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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:16:23 GMT

sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:

[Ridiculous stereotype removed]

|>>|> Save your money and buy a small pot of touch-up paint...
|>>|> 
|>>|> Simon

I suppose that is OK depending on your driving location and habits.

|>I don't suppose there's another way to get to work in order to avoid
|>the construction, etc, or changing your hours to avoid the heavy
|>trucks at that area?

You obviously don't live in Chicago. A city that seems to be constantly
under construction. It is difficult to do any sort of driving around here
without running into construction somewhere. And even if you don't run into
construction, trucks management to drop sand, rocks, concrete, etc.

On my previous car, the top on my car had some concrete dropped on it.
Of course, my wife didn't notice it until it had dried... Grrrr !!
In Indiana, I can't ever remember me or anyone I knew getting windshields
replaced. I've had two in a period of 4 years along with 2 rear windows -
all from normal driving (i.e. no vadalism).

Currently, I have a 4 month old car and already notice a couple of paint
chips on the front. (A bra would have protected them from happening.)
I can't even keep up with the number of pebbles I've heard bounce of my
windshield... Most of which have left me wondering why I don't need
another one yet...

Bras are also good for road trips in the summer. Sometimes it can be really
tough getting those bugs out of the front of your car...

|>remember, moister, etc can get under a bra, then really louse up the
|>paint - so, its six of one, half dozen of another as to use the bra
|>or not, which type of paint damage can you live with???

This is a valid arguement. One that concerns me quite a bit. But I'm 
hoping that with a light car, paint fading (if it really) happens) can
be kept to a minimum. Besides I'll probably end up airing out and cleaning
the bra pretty good every so often.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: AudiWatch Update (Tm) #8
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:58:08 GMT

In article <184829@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.210602.20631@julian.uwo.ca> morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>>The Wankel rotary was invented by Felix Wankel (who became associated with NSU
>>during the development of the rotary engine) in the early '50's, and first ran
>>in 1957. The world's first rotary-engined car, the NSU Spider, was announced
>>at the September 1963 Frankfurt Auto Show, a month ahead of the Mazda Cosmo,
>>which was THE PRODUCT OF ANOTHER WANKEL LICENSE. Got that?
>>
>    I don't honestly remember if any Porsche/VW company ever really
>    had a Wankel license.

Wankel developed the rotary engine and brought it to NSU with him; when VW
purchased NSU, they also got the rotary in the deal -- production of the Ro80
continued.

>    And the flamer is obviously not aware of the giant American
>    company who DID own a Wankel license, but with typical tunnel
>    vision, dropped it.  GM.  

GM did investigate the rotary engine with great interest, but considering the
time ('70's oil crisis), the rotary, with high fuel consumption and maintenance
costs -- not to mention poor emissions -- was never taken further by that 
company. Somewhat like what happened to the turbine engine.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: GEICO's Laser Guns
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:17:17 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 The current issue of Car&Driver says that GEICO (an insurance company)
 went to the rescue of a nearly bankrupt laser gun company.  In exchange,
 GEICO gets many laser guns a year at cost and gives them to police depts
 for FREE.  The only stipulation is that the police use them.

 Cash-poor municipalities are earger to comply.  One boasted of earning
 about $140,000 last year from their GEICO-donated laser guns.

 The payoff for GEICO, besides the stock deals, is that if a GEICO-insured
 motorist is caught, GEICO will hike that person's premiums.  The rate
 hikes vary but the scariest one is for doing more than 20mph over - 62%!
 That's right - SIXTY-TWO percent!  It sure won't take many of GEICO's
 4 million policy holders getting caught to payback the cost of those laser
 guns.

 First bans on radar detectors and now free laser guns.  Boy, am I glad
 my Dad dropped GEICO over 20 years ago.

 Travis
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chuangss@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Shyne Song Chuang)
Subject: Re: Lotus Elan...why did it fail?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:41:56 GMT

In article <4224@eastman.UUCP> golder@titan.ppd.kodak.com (Patrick Golder) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.045016.13570@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes) writes:
>|> 
>|> Now that you have had some time to think about it...why?
>
>I'd guess that the biggest reason was price.  $40K was just too much
>money for what you got, considering the competition.  IMHO, they made
>a big mistake making the car front-wheel-drive too.  Then there's the
>lesser but significant factors of not having much of a dealer network,
>not knowing how to market the car or who their market even was, not 
>advertising it much, etc.

Actually, the Elan has dropped in price quite a bit over in the US. I was
asking around a few months ago and most of those available then were either
red or white.

However, the Elan is still selling pretty well in countries like Singapore
where it's still going for $170,000.

I've driven the Elan once and I have to say that it handles very well for
a front wheel drive car. From what I know, the Elan had to be front wheel
drive to cut down on cost. Lotus had initially planned to market it for much
less than the US $40,000 price tag. I suppose unexpected developmental costs
crept in. The Elan was introduced amidst a recession in most parts of the
world and strong competition from the Miata and Australian Capri only
served to worsen the entire situation.

If there're any Elan owners out there, I'd appreciate it if you could drop me
an email. I've a few simple questions. Thanks a lot!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Windchill Re: Get a car heated in winter: How long is appropriate?
Keywords: Heating
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:29:29 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <C0JMvK.DJA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) writes:
>Windchill factors apply to warm, naked, human skin. They refer to the intial
>rate of heat loss compared to still air at a given temperature. Of course,
>your skin won't get colder than the air temperature (except for evaporative
>cooling) no matter how hard the wind blows. 

   Well, your skin won't really ever get down TO the air
   temperature..unless you get frostbite or die...

   But there are two common useages of the term wind chill...

   The term most often used is from meteorology as a measure of the
   comfort index for humans and other warm-blooded creatures.  This
   is computed from the air temperature, the wind speed, and [one of]
   the relative humidity, dew point, or wet bulb temperature.  
   Wet surfaces, even below freezing, will be below the ambient air
   temperature if there is any air motion at all.   

   However anything will cool more in moving air than in still air.
   Dry surfaces like engines, etc. WILL be colder in windy
   conditions than in still conditions...as in still air the engine
   will build up a surrounding area of warmer air trapped under the
   hood as it cools down.  If the hood is open or the wind is
   blowing, the engine can really cool down.  In this instance, the
   final temperature would be limited to the air temperature in the
   area.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:16:48 GMT

In article <30075@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>
>Why has US engine technology been so backward (at least for sale to the
>public)?
>
>a) your fuel is too cheap now, and has been for years.  Get that deficit
>down and reduce CO2 emissions with a nice hefty tax (3$/gal would be
>about right in European eyes).
no our fuel is not 'too cheap'...your fuel is overtaxed.  i'm sick of 
everyone whinning about our gas being cheap.  and i don't care what the
europeans think.  just because we have some things(many things) better than
in europe does not mean we should 'lower' ourselves to their misery level!!
free market should determine the price of goods...period.  this tax 
everything crap is for the socialists!!!

>
>
>Thankfully, this appears to be changing.  In anticipation of a good Euro
>vs US flame, Bill @ Edinburgh signs off.
> 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: Crash Test Info & Saturn Test Score Controversy
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:08:20 GMT

In rec.autos you write:
 
>  Since most accidents happen around 35 miles per hour the occupants are
>less likely to be injured in an energy absorbing "light" vehicle than
>a heavier one.
 
I hate to tell you this but you are wrong.  You are however right on one  
point. 
 
If a car has an energy absorbing shell, the passengers will do better in  
an accident than if the car has a rigid frame.  In this point you are correct. 
However, modern cars are built with an energy abrorbing shell, even big ones. 
 
When it comes to accidents what is important is the car's momentum. 
Given by the following formula. 
 
         Momentum = Weight x Speed
 
When two cars have an accident, you must add the respective momentums of the  
two cars.
From the above formula you can see that if two cars are travelling at the 
same speed, the heavier car will have the higher momentum. 
After a collision, the smaller car will "feel" a higher impact, because
of the larger car's higher momentum.  Thus, the smaller car will undergo 
a higher velocity change, and so the passengers in the car will undergo 
a higher level of physical trauma. 
 
Therefore, heavier cars are safer. 
 
However, in this argument I am assuming that both the heavier car, and the
light car are equally energy absorbing with repect to their passengers. 
If the big car is not, and the small car is, then the result may be in the
favor of the passenger of the small car.

However, like I said above, modern cars, big and small, are designed to be
energy absorbing.  So if you really want to be safe, surround yourself with
1000's of pounds of energy absorbing material, not 2000 pounds of light
weight car.   
 

--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cyrus Shafai                        <cshafai@ee.umanitoba.ca>
The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
From: amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: \*\* 1983 Audi GT Coupe For Sale \*\*
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:56:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I have a 1983 Audi GT coupe for sale. Here are the details:
Black with brown interior, 5 speed, 5 cylinder, power steering, power brakes,
power windows, alloy wheels, AC, removable sunroof.  The car runs well but
needs a few parts. It needs the following:  passenger side power window
regulator, AC condenser ( the old one has a crack and won't hold freon), and
it needs and alignment. Its got around 103,000 miles on it and the clutch is
good and the car uses NO oil. I would like to get around $ 1800 for it, but I
am open to offers and even would consider a trade. I am located in easton PA
and I am willing to drive within a 4 hour radius to show the car to anyone who
is interested. I will not mind driving to NJ, NY, MD, Wash. DC, PA. or even
Ct. SO if you are interested leave me a message or call 215-253-7535. I will
contact you. Thanks
Al Himsl
From: dloyer@zacson4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Loyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Movie
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:04:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dloyer@zacson4.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: zacson4.ebay.sun.com

 
This may not belong in this newsgroup, but I've tried everywhere else.

     I'm trying to find out the name of a movie, the only thing I can remember about 
it was a scene near the end, it took place in an underground garage, two people were
playing a game of soccer with an earth ball (extremely large inflated beach ball
like  object made of canvas), they were using their cars to do this!!!  If I remember
correctly, the winner was driving a Triumph Spitfire.  I'm sorry that that's all I
can give you, any help would be greatly appreciated.


                                        Dennis Loyer
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH: Should I or Shouldn't I?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:37:43 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"I do have difficulty, however, with people who categorically
	reject American products without evaluating them, then return
	home to enjoy the standard of living afforded by this country,
	oblivious to what this may mean to our children."

I just ordered two Chrysler products, but I pondered long and hard
before doing so.  I work with a person who grew up in Detroit and
worked on auto assembly lines in the 1970s.  The horror stories he
tells about their anti-quality attitude curl my hair.  (They involve
shipping new cars with compromised brakes, on days when they didn't
have time to install the brakes correctly and still meet quotas.)

Sure, maybe everything has turned completely around and Detroit is
producing quality products now ... but, when you literally risk your
children's lives with the purchase decision, it's not hard to
disqualify the johnny-come-lately players in favor of manufacturers
with better histories.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:54:32 GMT


  GM also has several SOHC engines (the cavalier engine lineup from '84 to 
  present comes to mind).  In fact, I am of the understanding that
  most 4-cyllinder engines of any make are over-head cam, or in-head cam
  (such as the Ford Escort).  Pushrod engines are usually only found in 
  the V configuration, and then because that cyllinder configuration gives
  a convienient place for one cam to actuate both sets of valves.

  Another advantage to cubes that nobody has mentioned is durability.  In
  general (although not always), larger displacement engines tend to be
  more durable, giving a longer lifetime and taking more abuse.

  
-- 
Steve Vetter     DISCLAIMER-  The opinions expressed here are not those of
vetter@mtu.edu                my employer,  because I don`t have one yet.  If  
                              you wish for these opinions to be your company's,
Damn it's Cold!!!             or not, send e-mail to :  vetter@mtu.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: scott@phelixsalt
Subject: Removing decals from windows
Reply-To: scott@phelixsalt
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:58:23 GMT

Hello,

   What's the best way to remove decals (expired parking stickers) from
the inside of a car window?  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Re: MR-2 future?
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:56:20 GMT

wchutt@alex.monsanto.com (Bill C Hutton) writes:


>Recently this newsgroup had postings indicating 1993 was the last year
>for Toyota's MR-2. Since I own a '91 turbo I am concerned.
>SHould I trade this car ***now*** before I
>take a big hit in resale value? Is there any chance the value will hold given
>there may not be too many inexpensive new high
>performance two-seaters available in the future?

The car is virtually worthless.  And I think you should sell it to
me for...would you believe...$2000 dollars?  :-)


--
Jeff Burney
202-606-4570 jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov
Ocean Climate Lab
NOAA/National Oceanographic Data Center
From: csham@roni.bellcore.com (Cathleen Shamieh)
Subject: FOR SALE: 1987 Toyota Tercel
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:43:36 GMT

FOR SALE:

1987 Toyota Tercel Deluxe 3-door hatchback

5-speed manual transmission
front-wheel drive (great in the snow)
air conditioning
AM/FM/Cassette
rear defroster
rear windshield wiper
split, folding rear seats (you can fit skis IN the car!)
91,000 miles
red exterior, black interior with "tweedy" upholstered seats

original owner (New Jersey)
regular oil changes
recently-replaced exhaust system

Price: $2600 (1993 Blue Book value $2775)

Call (201) 326-9462 (no later than 10pm, please!) 
or send email to csham@thumper.bellcore.com
From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Lotus Elan in 'Basic Instinct'
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:38:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1it3uqINNduf
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

why did lotus elan fail? it's because the movie 'basic instinct'
			 didn't do well! :)

	just kidding, i loved that movie. by the way, did they
	actually trashed/crashed that black lotus in the movie,
	or was it just camera trick/illusion? latter one is more
	possible?


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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mazda RX7: should I buy one?
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

>In article <1993Jan3.075544.7798@athena.mit.edu> boo@athena.mit.edu (Christopher J Foley) writes:
>>Well, I'm looking to buy a used mazda RX7, in the 81-84 years, probably.
>
In article <105949@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:
>I would expect an old RX-7 like that to be very expensive to maintain.  I

   
   You would be seriously wrong.....the biggest problem with old
   used RX-7's is that they are so cheap to maintain compared to
   similar sports cars that some truly impoverished folks buy them
   and fail to maintain them at all....


>think I've glanced at them when looking at other cars in Consumer Reports and
>the like, and noticed that they were rated as being far above average in cost
>to repair.
>
   Look again.  The rotary rarely breaks.
From: jack@anubis.kbfi.ee (Jaak Lippmaa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Jaguar XJ6 info wanted
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:00:54 GMT
Organization: Institute of Chemical Physics and Biophysics, Estonia
NNTP-Posting-Host: anubis.kbfi.ee
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi:

I browsed through this newsgroup and didn't find anything on Jags. 
Is this the wrong group or they are just rare or the owners won't 
use e-mail??

Anyway, I just purchased one and I'm interested in all sorts of info.
Most specifically, how do you determine the beast's age? Judgeing from
modification updates according to Haynes's handbook it seems to be
1983. How are you supposed to know?

-- Jack

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you a four point tool eater Jaguar too!!!???

Inst. of Chemical Physics and Biophysics
Estonian Academy of Sciences                    jack@kbfi.ee
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:58:11 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

As several people have said, almost all European countries have
car taxation schemes which increase (non linearly) with engine
displacement.

This leads to engine sizes such as 1449cc, since a typical
tax break point is at 1500cc - you sometimes have to be careful
when getting a second re-bore on some of these, it can take you
over the magic limit (not that anyone knows or cares ..).

Another factor is the american love of automatic transmission
and sloppy suspension - neither of these go too well with
high reving engines having less torque and a narrower power
band than a big "clunker" of an engine.

Fuel prices also have a big influence.
Big clunkers just drink more - and a heavy foot (or automatic
transmission) will make that differnce noticable. When American
fuel prices reach those of other parts of the world, you will
understand the attraction of a smaller engine.

Getting back to the subject line; I would probably dispute the
argument that American technology is retrograde. In many areas
is is advance of European (well, advance is not the right word,
there are differnt pressures, emphasising different aspects)
technology. For example, most smaller European cars still use
carburettors, because they don't have the same emission laws.
Most (all ?) new American cars have fuel injection, with
oxgen sensing systems to automatically control the mixture - that
is higher tech.

As a side line on emmission controls: I find it somewhat less than
amusing to sit in a line of traffic, in a car which has cost several
hundreds of dollars morhe because of the emmission control equpment,
to say nothing of having to pay again in performance, only to watch
buses and trucks pull away belching hughe clouds of black, noxious
fumes into the atmosphere - if the government(s) of the US were REALLY
interested in clean air, these would hace been cleaned up years ago !

Philip
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: dlyon@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Darren Lyon)
Subject: Re: Braking techniques 
Organization: Griffith University.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:37:50 GMT

tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:

>...Unless, of course, he has a jet engine strapped onto the luggage rack
>and the thrust vector is aimed directly opposite to the direction of
>travel. ;-)

Who needs the tyres to stop when there are other cars to do it *grin*
I hope we aren't heading for another tyre convo concerning widths, compond
etc.




Hey this braking technique works in most computer games !!!


-- 
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        	Darren Lyon, Griffith University, Australia.