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From: FELSKE@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA (FELSKE, WAYNE W.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:02:08 GMT
Organization: TRI-UNIVERSITY MESON FACILITY
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	About the Fuel injection thing. I agree that it should not cost much
extra but in manufacturing every $1 spent is $10 at the retail level. (Or at 
least it seems that way) 
	And not to be derogatory but if EFI was to be they would have to design
it right. ie. high pressure pump,lines to take 50psi, component placement, how
to keep the controller from being rattles or baked to death ? 
	Then of course the hard core (live in the past) Harley people will
reject it because it's not like the old ones.
	I would love to see EFI on a stock Harley but the people at Harley know 
they have to move ahead while not betraying the past.

---------------------------------------------
|                                           |
|    Wayne Felske                           |
|            @ERICH.TRIUMF.CA               |
|                                           |
|    Parked the bike 10 days ago            |
|       ...is it spring yet                 |
---------------------------------------------

  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Advice on 70 sport
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:14:36 GMT

In article <Af1tfG600WAE43LEx9@andrew.cmu.edu> John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|
|the bike was 
|also designed to run on leaded fuel, you can run Harleys' Duralt(lead
|fuel additive), or have the valves redone with titanium valves. 

That's one I haven't heard before.  I had thought that it was the valve
*seats* that could be damaged by unleaded.  What do titanium valves get
you?

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: Marcus.Dickreiter@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Marcus Dickreiter)
Subject: Lookin for Harley "Trooper"
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:56:14 GMT

Hi!

Does anybody know somethin about the Harley "Trooper" - Scooter???

I would be glad to get some more Informationes!

Thanks! (a German scooterist)

ELVIS FOREVER!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Air Filter & Battery Questions
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:51:05 GMT

I have a few questions regarding air filters and batteries...any assistance
will be appreciated.

AIR FILTERS:

 - Does K&N make a replacement (ham can type) air filter for the 1992 FXSTS or
	FXDC?  My  dealer (Lakeshore Harely Davidson in the Chicago area) says
	no.  (if they exist, they're likely about $30.00, much cheaper than
	"Screamin' Eagle", see below.

 - Although this dealer claimed that K&Ns were obsolete, and sold me a
	Screamin' Eagle Air Filter Kit, guess what kind of filter is in it???
	K&N, of course!  Does K&N have two different qualities of filter, a
	lesser one for their own label, and a better quality for Harley?
        (Just bein' sarcastic!)

 - On the Screamin' Eagle kit, there seems to be no rubber spacer, etc. to go
	between the filter itself, and the regular Harley filter cover.  Am I 
	missing something?  It would seem prudent to have some sort of cushion
	between these two parts?


 - In this month's Motorcyclist, I read that the Harley batteries die young and
	without warning (around 7,000 mi.), apparently due to excessive 
	vibration.  Two questions on this: 

	1. Does this statement match anyone's experience or the general
		perception?

        2. Does the addition of rubber cushioning provide any significant
		protection against the vibration?

THANKS!

Michael Menard

1992 FXSTS  	1992 FXDC

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard)
Subject: Re: I'm surprised that...
Organization: Cathode Ray Mission, San Jose
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:07:08 GMT

In article <5108@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.013534.4182@c3.PLA.CA.US>, niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>> The Channel 7
>> newsdweeb made a snide remark about Sonny drinking "yuppie bottled water
>> because he isn't allowed alcohol as a condition of his parole. Just proves
>> again how totally weak the mainstream media are when it comes to evenhanded
>> coverage of motorcycling matters.
>
>Just what exactly does his release from prison have to do with motorcycling
>matters?

Last time I checked, it was Hell's Angel's _M/C_, and that 'M' don't stand
for 'minivan'...

>What should he have been asked about motorcycling as he is being released
>from prison?

"Where are you planning to ride to now?"

>What would he have to say?

"I'm goin' to Disneyland!!..."

>He is far more notorious to the general public as an outlaw, and that is how
>the media covered him.

Why should the media be obliged to stick to tried and (probably not) true
stereotypes? Wouldn't it be more interesting if they (the popular media)
looked beyond the cliches to try and get a true sense of what Hell's Angel's
(and Barger) are really like? Like any cultural entity, they aren't static.
Those convienient 60's stereotypes don't fit anymore - if for any reason than
they reflect the baby-boom generation they belong to: they're older and more
settled now, and they tend to keep a low profile. Yet when did you hear about
_that_?

The media do a disservice to all of us when they slight an important cultural
phenom like the Hell's Angels. Important, because there isn't a more durable
archtype in all of our popular culture than that of the "outlaw biker". To
look into the roots of the biker archtype - and to examine those that embody
it - is to understand a little more about our American selves (if you'll pardon
the US-centric view for a moment.)



-Neal
[niall@c3.com]
DoD #0x451
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: Need help with '72 SX-250!!!---------
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:51:50 GMT

Please Help!
I've inherited a Harley (well, I know that it really isn't a true Harley,
but it DOES say Harley on the side) SX-250, two stroke, single cylinder
dirt bike (it's either a '71 or a '72) that was in the process of being
restored.  It's crankcase and tranny is all intact, while the bucket, head
and piston is sitting, very pretty, in a box.  I think I've got all the
pieces, except for a few nuts, washers and gaskets, and I would either
like to sell it (sorry, I don't have title, but I should within a few
months) or, even better, find a manual to put it back together and have a
little fun.  Can anyone help me?  Please?

Please e-mail to rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I'm surprised that...
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:38:17 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Nov11.013534.4182@c3.PLA.CA.US>, niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:

	info about Sonny Bargers' release from prison and...

> The Channel 7
> newsdweeb made a snide remark about Sonny drinking "yuppie bottled water
> because he isn't allowed alcohol as a condition of his parole. Just proves
> again how totally weak the mainstream media are when it comes to evenhanded
> coverage of motorcycling matters.

Just what exactly does his release from prison have to do with motorcycling
matters?  What should he have been asked about motorcycling as he is being
released from prison?  What would he have to say?   He is far more notorious
to the general public as an outlaw,  and that is how the media covered him.

Terry

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "You got, ahh say you got it all     |
 | DoD# 541   'Debunkers of Dogma'    |  wrong son"      Foghorn Leghorn     |
 | HIFI#                              |                                      |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: cordes@megatek.com (Fred Cordes)
Subject: Re: 71 Shovel
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:33:56 GMT

From article <1263@tekcae.cax.tek.com>, by paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer):
>>as Saviour that made the amen frame and the also the softail frame, Harley
>>didn't invent the softail frame custom manufacturers'(sp?) in the 70's did.
> 
> ABout two months ago I went to a vintage machine festival.  Among the
> machines was a 1935 motorcycle, I believe it was a Vincent, maybe 
> -rcf

I owned a '49 Vincent in the mid 1960's. The real wheel was in a triangular
subframe that pivoted off the back of the engine/tranny case. The
"frame" was a steel box that bolted to the top of V-twin heads. 
A coil-shock was placed between the rear head mount and the top 
of the subrame. The steel box functioned as an oil tank and 
had the cast steering head bolted to the front. The seat was
a bench that attached to the back of the steel box, near the
rear cylinder head and pivoted there. The rear of the seat 
was supported by two "links" that were fastened to the subframe. 
The bike felt as if it flexed in the middle. 

I don't know that this frame arrangement was unique to the Vincent,
but it had been in production for many years before 1949.

Fred Cordes        cordes@megatek.com

-- 
 Fred Cordes                {uunet, ucsd, sun}!megatek!cordes
 619-455-5590 ext 2594                    cordes@megatek.uucp
 Megatek Corporation  9645 Scranton Rd.  San Diego, Ca.  92121
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:34:19 GMT

>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
>

 I've been reading your messages for a while now and you are pretty biased
about your bike. Thats ok. Since I don't know much about UJM's since I am
an American by birth and I would never buy a product from a country that
started a war with us, what is a ZX-11 ? I assume it's another product from
a foriegn country. What is this "pilot" thing you sign after the ZX-11?
Does this signify that a ZX-11 is a plane? I'm being serious...
  What is this Dod thing? Thats a totally 'wanna-be' a biker thing I've
seen all around the *motorcycle* boards. I've even seen a graphic thing
that looks like a 'patch' come across the net. Let me give you netters a
hint on motorcycle patches. If you wanna-be's start up a club and fly a
patch, be prepared to defend it. Thats right. There are rules taht apply to
all who wear a patch AKA flying colors. Judging by the replys and messages
send across the net, none of you are aware that being in a club has a
liability. You are all responsible for EACH and everyone who flys your
patch. If just one person fucks up - you all will pay the price. Something
to think about before you get too involved in it. 
                             Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
From: dellis@Auspex.COM (David Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: saw a bike 4 sale
Keywords: 48? or 49?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:31:21 GMT


	I saw a 48 or 49 panhead for sale in
	the diablo dealer.
	A beautiful looking scooter I should add.
	Looks all original and the paint looked nice
	to.

	The guy was asking 5800.00  firm
	I have the paper at home if anyone is interested
	in the phone #.

	The bike is located in Calif,  bay area somewhere.




			KEEP'em  UPRIGHT

-- 
Dave Ellis                If it's FREE I'll take it..   
dellis@auspex.com         If it's AMERICAN I'll buy it.  
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:54:26 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Don't flame on this....

Regarding the differences in the Harley lineup, my advice would be
to visit your local Harley dealer, get the sales literature, look at the
bikes in person, ask questions there and then read......




					john...


16F
47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS-conv.
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD)
Subject: Re: 39mm Fork Relief
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:44:12 GMT

In article <BxtIHq.2I6@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
>Subject: Re: 39mm Fork Relief
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:44:14 GMT
>In article <1992Nov11.203214.16571@stortek.com> terryg@stortek.com (Terry Gottehrer x4943) writes:
>>I thought about caps with threaded holes. Didn't the Harley engineers
>>ever change the fork oil in the labs? If they did, they would have 
>>thought of the threaded hole idea a long time ago.
>
>Harley engineers didn't design those forks. They're Japanese ( made by Showa).
>IMHO all forking engineers :-) should've put such caps on all their forks since
>it doesn't add that much to the manufacturing cost and is such a clever and
>handy feature.
>
>-- 
>=============================================================================
>Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
>         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
>          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
>=============================================================================
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: To the guy who wants the 86 Fat Boy
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:08:32 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Distribution: na
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <Bxy7nz.CMG@cs.dal.ca> ronan@ug.cs.dal.ca (brian c ronan) writes:
>From all I ever read and seen...I think your friend
>or you don't know your bikes very well...because the
>FAT BOY first came out in 89....I could be wrong but
>I read that in 89 Harley produced the FAT BOY in only
>one color too....SILVER...But for 4G sure buy it

True.  I got bitten by the Harley bug (pig?) early this year when my
friend (same one who told me of this deal) got rear ended by his girl
friend and totaled my 750 Honda Shadow (don't ask, it's a long story).
I only know from what I've learned from dealers, catalogs and the like,
so your right - I don't know a heck of alot about Harleys, especially
older ones.  Imagine my surprise when I went to a dealer and asked him
if 4 grand was a good deal for a 96 "Fat Boy".  His response was the same
as yours.  No such thing as a 96 "Fat Boy".  He said that some riders
use the term "Fat Boy" or "Fat Bob" in a very loose, generic sense and
could mean anything from a Softail to a Lowrider to a Sportster.  He left
me with a glimmer of hope - if it's a big twin, it's a steal.  I'll let
you all know when I get more info about this bike.

-- 
==========================================================================
 Jerry Hartzler -- Developer CD -- Commodore Amiga Technical Support
 PHONE 215-431-9421 {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!hartzler hartzler@commodore.com
==========================================================================
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Good Deal?
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:11:08 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <37145@cbmvax.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com
(Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>A friend of a friend, is in need of some hard cash and is willing to
>give up
>his 1986 FLSTF Fat Boy (34,000 miles) for $4,000.  I haven't seen or
>riden

First off, there WERE no fatboys in '86. First year was '90 (I think).
Probably a converted Softail. That's OK, My Softail went over to a solid 
16" front (to match the rear) in '88, so maybe some'd think MINE is a 
fatboy (my bro @ the Cleveland HD dealer jokes that mine was the first 
fatboy in Cleveland). The Fatboys (and Heritages) have the dresser style 
forks, while the softails (regular models - my FXSTC included) have the
wideglide forks.

>the bike yet though I hear it is mint, except that it needs a new primary
>cover.  The old one is all scratched up (the excuse is that he scraped it on
>corners which is understandable).  I've had my heart set on a new FXDL Dyna
>Low Rider but it will run me 3 times that of the used Fat Boy.
>
>Should I jump at this offer?
>
>Is 4 grand a good price for an ol' Fat Boy?

That's a good price even without a MOTOR!! (considering the rest is 
in good condition). A fatboy in good condition is worth about $8K 
(at least around here.......)

Yes, jump on it (and try not to come!!!)

Later, Eddie
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:38:15 GMT
	<1992Nov12.001518.28685@megatek.com>
	<1992Nov17.163419.12704@Pacesetter.COM>
	<b0tp02EA2bco01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
	<1992Nov19.153349.7026@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com's message of 19 Nov 92 15:33:49 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Nov 92 15:33:49 GMT, dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) said:

chris> <HOG chapter patch problems>

There was a problem due to a number of non-sanctioned bottom rockers
that were created by individual clubs, especially in Canada.  None of
the regular HOG patches or rockers have caused problems in the states
that I am aware of.  All of the clubs realize that HOG exists, that it
is a social, family-oriented riding group, and no threat to them.

HOG does not condone or recognize groups who to create a "lifestyle"
club using their HOG affiliation as a "shield", I am sure that the
sponsoring dealer would not either.

chris> I haven't seen the DOD 'patch'...but if it looks anything like a club
chris> patch then you folks wearing them best be looking over your shoulder
chris> whenever you wear it.

The only thing you might have to look over your shoulder for when
"flying" geeky is a trail of laughter.  What it looks like is
irrelevant, it's what you do that counts.  Anyone planning a DoD
action against any club?  I didn't think so.

Plenty of club members have seen the DoD patch.  Noone I know has
taken it seriously yet.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:33:49 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <b0tp02EA2bco01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie
Kieger) writes:

|>I think the strict requirements of patches went out the window with the 
|>HOG chapters popping up all over. 

Quite the contrary. The HOG chapters in my area have had many run-ins with the
locals. Seems that some of these Evo warriors think that they can buy a patch 
from the dealer and that makes them a patcholder. Ya right. Some found out
the hard way. Lynn Hall said it best. If you wear it, you'd better be prepared
to
defend it.  I'll add, If you defend it, you'd better be prepared to go down with
it.

I haven't seen the DOD 'patch'...but if it looks anything like a club patch
then
you folks wearing them best be looking over your shoulder whenever you wear
it.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:48:30 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
 <1992Nov12.001518.28685@megatek.com> <1992Nov17.163419.12704@Pacesetter.COM>
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Nov17.163419.12704@Pacesetter.COM>, lynn@pacesetter.com
(Lynn E. Hall) wrote:
>   What is this Dod thing? Thats a totally 'wanna-be' a biker thing I've
> seen all around the *motorcycle* boards. I've even seen a graphic thing
> that looks like a 'patch' come across the net. Let me give you netters a
> hint on motorcycle patches. If you wanna-be's start up a club and fly a
> patch, be prepared to defend it.

The DoD has members all over the world.  It is large.  The members have
a sense of humor as evinced, in part, by the comic nature of the
patch (Geeky.)  Other than their penchant for network news and perhaps
computing, they represent a highly diversified group of people.  Why,
we might even find one, perhaps two who would agree with your next
statement.

> Thats right. There are rules taht apply to
> all who wear a patch AKA flying colors. Judging by the replys and messages
> send across the net, none of you are aware that being in a club has a
> liability. You are all responsible for EACH and everyone who flys your
> patch. If just one person fucks up - you all will pay the price. Something
> to think about before you get too involved in it. 

The times are changing, Lynn.  Eat it.
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:13:55 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov13.170925.22062@rtsg.mot.com>, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes...
>In article <Yf0YP4m00WAEA0TEwW@andrew.cmu.edu> John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>|Its great to have a rocket rider

<80 lines of horse stuff deleted>

Cheezes K. Riest, will you kiddies kindly take this crap to mail? We're not
interested. I saw a post with TWO HUNDRED lines of
                          >
                          >>>
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>>>>

The snow is down here in Mass., and the bike is away for the season. No big
plans for it this winter, except maybe a single-fire ignition. Post your
loves/hates if you've run one of these...

-Tom R.   '84 Ironhead    randolph@est.enet.dec.com