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From: pavao@cae.wisc.edu (Pavao Aaron)
Subject: Re: period
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:01:47 CST

In article <721538534.F00004@ocitor.fidonet> Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:
> c> I'm glad to hear this.  I don't HAVE anything High Renaissance, and judging
> c> from the length of time it takes me to get a T-tunic done these days,
> c> I never will....
>
> Hmmnn -- you must do a more finished, spiff job on t-tunics than I do -- I  made one between work and dance practice the other night, including a  finished neck.  Took abut 2 hours, including layout and ironing. Didn't hem  it, I'm going to let the fabric fringe out at the bottom, which I'm told is  a period option and has worked nicely on another full-length tunic.
>
> -- vashti
>
>
> * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)

Greetings from Jararvellir!

	Pray, what else does one wear when one wears a T-tunic?

-> Shandler

SCA: Shandler Greyfeathre
MKA: Aaron Pavao
NET: pavao@cae.wisc.edu
"We've got spirit! We've got bounce! We've got the name you can't pronounce!"

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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: filk vs recreation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:03:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <2B097B98.2B5@telly.on.ca> doug@telly.on.ca (Doug Young) writes:
>(Graydon) writes:
>G: The event organiser has Corporate grounds to ask you to stop dancing
>G: Hole in the Wall, too.  (The good and maybe sufficent tactical reasons
>G: for not doing this I won't go into.)

>G: By the formal definitions, it is *entirely* reasonable for the
>G: organizer of an event to insist that things known to be OOP not
>G: be done.  The includes pouring coke out of coke cans, dancing
>G: Hole in the Wall, and bunny fur bikinis.

But I *like* Bunny Fur Bikinis.

I also like hand riveted mail, handwoven fabric, and drinking
coffee in the morning before a tourney.

I think what we all need is a sense of tolerance, and a
willingness to acknowledge that we are a large and diverse
group of people...If you want to be totally period, and
exist in a period atmosphere, then take a leaf from
his Grace Cariadoc and set up your own enchanted
ground.

To many, if not most of the SCA people I've met, the
SCA is not really an historical society, but a shared
fantasy. What offends most of us is not anachronism,
but *mundanity*. We are not really escaping the 
20th century, so much as we are fleeing that 
relentless *sameness* of modern life...

Carolus Malvoix
Montengarde, An Tir
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: 76520.3531@compuserve.COM (Jack Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: book binding equip.
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:31:23 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In answer to the uestion of where bookbinding equipment/supplies might by
acquired:
Colophon Book Arts Supply
3046 Hogum Bay Road, NE
Olympia, WA  98506

Book Makers
6001 66th Ave.
Suite 101
Riverdale, MD  20737

The Bookbinder's Warehouse, Inc.
31 Division St.
Keyport, NJ  07735

Each of these companies well be happy to send a catalog your way.
And keep your eyes open.  I once bought a nipping press at an antique car
swap meet.  Go figure!
Jack C. Thompson   >76520.3531@compuserve.com<
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From: "Michael Squires" <mikes@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Lute tunings
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:31:09 -0500

In article <446-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP> Godfrey de Shipbrook <jlee@smylex.UUCP> writes:
>
>(Of course, as someone hath said, if a lute is in the room with another 
>instrument, the lute cannot be heard -- even if the other instrument is 
>silent.)

Well...

Not true of the steel-strung Renaissance lutes, and Binkley has no problems
being heard over the ensemble when playing medieval lute with his
grad students here at the IU Medieval Institute. 

On the other hand, Robinson makes it clear that the lute's primary social
function was as a means of allowing a young man and a young woman to
sit close together; the typical father laments that his money spent on
lute lessons is wasted when the daughter stops playing the lute the moment
she's married.

-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: "period" wristwatches
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:01:52 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Donnallain o'r Galaru Glais (Kevin William Ryan) writes:

>    To go a little further: note that a sundial will give you true sun time.
>This is _not_ identical with standard time, which is true only every 15
>degrees of longitude. 

However, "standard time" is not even remotely period.  It was invented
by the railroads in the 1800's.  If you want to make a sundial that
operates in a truely period manner, you should not try to compensate
for this.

(Of course, if you want a sundial that will actually get you places
on time, that's another matter. :-)

-- Nicholas van Leyden

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From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:19:18 GMT

In article <1ec2jsINNr7p@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>In article <1ec22fINNr2d@agate.berkeley.edu> dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum) writes:
[in hot mulled cider/applejuice]
>stick cinnamon (I usually get Mexican canela, which I can shred with
>	my fingers, rather than standard stick cinnamon which I can't
>	even break up)

Not very period, but a coffee grinder makes short work of cinnamon
sticks, and the end result is _very_ cinnamony and fresh.  Just don't
grind it up _real_ fine, so you can still srain out all the little
bits.


-- 
Willie Smith     wpns@pictel.com     N1JBJ@amsat.org
"That's the wonderful thing about crayons, they can take
you to more places than a starship."  Guinan - STNG
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From: kim@babbage.csus.edu (Kim Conway)
Subject: Re: What is an event? (A reply from the West)
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:19:09 GMT

Here in the West we do a great deal of long weekend tournies in the summer.
When it gets colder we move in doors and focus more on feasts and revels.
We do dance, though probably not as much as other kingdoms.  


 ------                     Tara of the Clan O'Conghalaigh
 --/ __.  __  __.           Shire of Mountain's Gate/ Principality of
(_/ (_/|_/ (_(_/|_             Cynagua / Kingdom of the West


(MKA : Kimberley Conway)
 

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From: lcatlett@carson.u.washington.edu (Lynn Catlett)
Subject: Re: European vs American
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:33:22 GMT

> I'd guess that that's part of it.  No museum near *me* has garments 
> from our period that I could look at, even through a museum glass.  In 
. . . 
> leave nose prints on the glass above the surgeon's cap......
>      Gwenllian Cwmystwyth

Doesn't this drive you wild?  Isn't it possible to
use some form of alternate radiation/backlighting/
SOMETHING so that the viewer can actually SEE the 
*craft* rather than the *fashion*?  When "Son of Heaven"
passed through Seattle and again when the Han funerary
display was in Portland, the paintings and some costumes
were hung on the walls in unlit cases with *blazing* light pouring
down on the viewer's nose--effectively blinding him/her to the
item displayed...  and the REALLY old stuff (a padded jacket
from a Han {200BC/200AD) tomb) was laid flat in a case *yards*
from any light.  You could mash your nose all you wanted, but
see?  ho ho.  I admit that I haven't tried taking opera glasses
or a magnifying glass along to these things-- does anyone
know if there might be a problem with magnifying glasses, for
instance?  I know it would be a Bad Thing to take my own
light source... but such temptation...
Is there hope for some (pfui--ALL, as long as we're
dreaming) of these items to be videotaped/scanned/etc for 
scholarly use?  All y'all curatorial types??

Lin/Lynn 
  (grmp! snort! grmble grff!)


to be
From: doug@telly.on.ca (Doug Young)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: filk vs recreation
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:09:12 GMT
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto

(Graydon) writes:
G: The event organiser has Corporate grounds to ask you to stop dancing
G: Hole in the Wall, too.  (The good and maybe sufficent tactical reasons
G: for not doing this I won't go into.)
G: 
G: Corpora II D:
G: (Long Meaningful Stuff deleted)
G: 
G: Corpora II A:
G: (Long Meaningful Stuff deleted)
G: 
G: By the formal definitions, it is *entirely* reasonable for the
G: organizer of an event to insist that things known to be OOP not
G: be done.  The includes pouring coke out of coke cans, dancing
G: Hole in the Wall, and bunny fur bikinis.
G: 
G: Graydon
I agree that it is the responsibility of the host group to set the
standard of authenticity which they will accept.  It is rumoured that
the College of  Grey Gargoyles advertises the level of authenticty that 
they expect.  (Stay in Persona, no visible 20th Century Stuff)  This
I greatly applaud.  But there are local groups who have lower expectations
for whatever good and holy reasons.
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From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Needles
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:43:28

 Good sir, is it necessary that the pig die to produce its bristles? 
 I ask because I know a lady who used to keep a sow.  The sow's function 
 was producing piglets, so the sow's demise would not be a planned event.  If you can't find a commercial source, this might be a possiblity...
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
     Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org
     (214)341-9305

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: jschmidt@oolong.Tymnet.COM (John Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:42:15 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

Hmm?  I think the glog that was published a few years ago here is the best I
have ever seen, but I haven't had the bravery to try it.

Mollycoddled Westies?  Just because I have the sense to live in a temperate
climate with a minimum of gun totin' rednecks is no excuse for you, bucko;
I get my insanity in other ways!  Estrella!  Alpine Pass!  Clinton!  The
javelineers of An Tir, the Seargents of Lionsgate, the Berserks of Atenveldt,
the fighting Brigades of Caid, the rusty weather of Pennsic, I've faced them
all. 

And by Western standards, I'm a wimp!  Why, the boys in Oertha face
more cold than I care to think about, to balance the warmth of the Far
West, and the pesky bugs of Lochac.  Poisonous pesky bugs.

Sheesh.

Well, why don't we all drink Imperium Compound?

John

Seriously, I tend to drink tea, myself, and am looking forward to being
enlightened.

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Patent of Arms / Order of Precedence question
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:40:05 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  

Dagonell had asked:

> Question: where does someone with a Duchy/County/Vicounty rank WITHOUT a
> patent of arms rank on a Order of Precedence?

Tadhg answered:

>  Persons of Ducal, Comital, and Vicecomital rank take precedence according
>  to the date of their creations. Whether or not they have a Patent of Arms
>  (or are armigerous at all) has absolutely no effect on their precedence.

Tadhg, please keep in mind that precedence is determined kingdom-by-
kingdom, with the exception of a few details mentioned in Corpora (e.g.,
the Laurel, Pelican, and Chivalry rank equally).  The rank of royal peers
is NOT specified in Corpora, and can vary from kingdom to kingdom.  I
believe there is at least one kingdom in which the patent determines
precedence, not the royal peerage title.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: I am still bewildered
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:14:54

 "E> These thoughts came to me as I was reflecting on how Drachenwald could
 "E> possibly become different, when it goes Kingdom. The most burning
 "E> question is whether it is at all possible to mold Drachenwald into a
 "E> more "European-style" group within the SCA. I fear that the cultural
 "E> differences between America and Europe are greater than most SCAdians
 Milord, you will have the ability to change several of these 
 inconsistencies.  All that *I* see that would need keeping are the 
 basic award structure and some version of the choice of royalty.  
 (That is, in order to remain part of the SCA).  The rest you mention 
 is probably available to you.  Groups can enforce a higher standard. 
 Admittedly, the openness of the SCA is one of its definite "flavor" 
 pieces, and enforcing high accuracy seems to close the boundaries of 
 a group.  Perhaps the different flavor of the European will allow you 
 to grow and prosper without that characteristic.  After all, lack of 
 finances does not excuse parking cars next to one's tent.  Nor does 
 it excuse the purchase of definitely high-dollar non-period items. 
      Also, I once heard that there had been an SCA group in England 
 which split due to some basic philosophical differences.  While I do 
 hope that Drachenwald can remain the SCA, it means little to me p
personally that the SCA, as I know it, exists in Europe.  Just, if 
 you change the game drastically, change the name too, ok?  Who knows, 
 perhaps you could become an affiliated group, semi-attached, yet not actually the SCA.  Just a thought, if it ever came to that......
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
         Steppes, Ansteorra

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Authenticity vs. fantasy (long)
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:06:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.722249540.AA00000

TP>  Greetings, Unto William de Corbey, and to the entire Rialto, from Tom
TP>  Perigrin
TP>  (16'th C mode OFF).
TP>
TP>  Recently our Barony hosted the Atenveldt Crown Tourney.  Since the
TP>  College
TP>  of St Felix was playing a significant role in the tournament, and
TP>  since
TP>  we are supposedly dedicated to Arts and Sciences, I decided to put on
TP>  an unannounced quiet A&S woodworking demonstration.

......Much deleted frustration follows....

The problem lies with both the event and the size of the crowd, methinks.

We have had both a medieval forge and a spring-pole lathe set up at Egil's
Tourney in years past, and they drew a constant stream of interested 
onlookers. But Egil's, although not much larger, is a multi-tourney, in 
which there are competitions (and nice prizes) for arts and sciences, as 
well as non-standard and standard fighting. Thus it draws a crowd of more 
eclectic tastes, who will undoubted be composed of joiners and cordwainers 
and artists, as well as fighters and fight-mavens.

You, milord, were playing to the wrong audience!

People who come expecting to see fighting, and to shop, will be interested 
in fighting and shopping! If the populace had known well in advance that 
your shop would be set up, it might have attracted the sort of person whose 
interest was in medieval woodworking. Don't give up. Try a different sort of 
event, though.

(And, it is a good idea to have pre-made a few small examples of things to 
either sell for a pittance, or give away. People like souvenirs. Spindles, 
buttons, that sort of thing...surely you have a 'prentice? :-)

Moreach (who with her boyfriend would have loved it!)

email to ONLY: trifid@agora.rain.com 
 
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Benifits of Mensa
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:03:18 GMT

In article <u8JNuB1w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-phaedrus@jwt.UUCP writes:
>jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
>
>>Can we agree that "intelligence", in and of itself, is a
>>"good thing"?
>
>We can't agree on anything in this newsgroup.  Intelligence is a product of 
>evolution.  Like most products of evolution it should provide a differential 
>reproductive advantage.  If it does this, then it is "good" (i.e., fulfills 
>the purpose for which is was created), else not.  Noting that the Mensa FAQ 
>(MENSA DEMOGRAPHICS (USA)) claims that "Just over half [of the members of 
>Mensa] have no children" it does not appear that _high_ intelligence is 
>"good".  One possible explanation is that those that differ _too_ much from 
>the average are culled from the group (social animals can be so cruel 8^( ).
>
>>In other words, intelligence is a tool.  You can use the
>>tool in socially acceptable, efficient ways, or in not
>>socially acceptable, non-efficient ways.  It depends on the
>>individual.  It does not depend upon the "intelligence."
>
>Yes, intelligence is a tool (to achieve a differential reproductive 
>advantage).  And tools can only be judged based upon their success or failure 
>in performing the task for which they were created.

I'm reminded of a vague memory (not vague, just lost in my cluttered mind
and sure to pop up in an unrelated discussion) of a comedy routine done
by a guy who switched from comedian to very successful ad writer.  (He
does the voice, and probably wrote the script for, the annoying kid on
the Encyclopedia Britannica TV ads.  Also did the Sunkist Prune ads of
years ago.  ("They're still rather badly wrinkled, though..."))

Anyway, the bit is that he's standing on stage holding a puppet which is
supposed to be an "alien".

Him:  "Well, we on Earth are very advanced, too.  We have the ultimate weapon."

Alien:  "Oh, our is better.  We have the Real Ultimate Weapon."

Him:  "Better than the Atomic Bomb?"

Alien:  "Better."

Him:  "Better?"

Alien:  "Oh.... much, much better..."

Him:  "What's so good about it?"

Alien:  "It doesn't work."

Well, I don't necessarily agree with this sentiment 100%, and don't want
to pose this literally, but you see the point.  And besides, time-intensive
as this example is, I found it amusing.

GMS
From: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Voting Analysis
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:46:17 GMT
Reply-To: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.161458.25121@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> edp@math.zk3.dec.com 
(Eric Postpischil) writes:

>I stated my thesis clearly; it is the last sentence of the article with
>which I initiated the "Voting Analysis" thread:

>	I merely wish to prove that there is at least one
>	situation in which it is an intelligent
>	choice, for some people, not to vote.

Yup, you did.  I acknowledged that fact while noting its limitations and
other possible flaws other's had noticed.  You ignored my followup.  It 
still is an extremely narrowly defined situation and probably not generally
applicable.

[...]

>That is an ad hominem attack; it is irrelevant to the discussion.

Homine homine homine!  This discussion has never stayed on track, what with
the wanderings of most everybody involved (you especially).

***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
Bad opening line #106:
     "Say, you own the 'Buns of steel' video, don't you?"
***  Warning: This signature expires on 30-NOV-92!  *******************
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From: noonan@tolkin.enet.dec.com (Enoperiod)
Subject: Re: Tired of Tai
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 18 NOV 92 09:39:32    


In article <mike_steiner-171192111648@192.35.50.131>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes...
>In article <16Nov92123936@miracle.com>, sue@miracle.com wrote:
>> 
>> What's going on here?
>> 
>> I disappeared about 3 or 4 _months_ ago, being tired of all the fluff,
>> mostly regarding Scott Tai.  Now, I finally pick up this newsgroup
>> Until then...
>>  
>> - Sue -
>> 
>> P.S. - It isn't that I have anything against Scott Tai, but hasn't this
>> been going on long enough?
> 
>He comes and goes; he was gone for most of the time that you were gone.  If
>you had stuck around, you would have been here while he wasn't. 
>Unless........
> 

         No, no, Mike!  I know Sue!  She is definately *not* Scott
         Tai!


         .sigless E










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From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: Re: t: Re: IQ Test Creation Question
Originator: cjdcosta@zepplin.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:11:37 GMT


scott@bogus.net.address (Scott Tai) -
>Okay.  I challenge the Mensa members to clearly state what aspect
>of their intellect is superior, or just what these tests are testing. 

Oh, for heaven's sake.

YOU claim we're superior, you incorrigible little pest. We never have.
If any Mensan has claimed superiority on ROM, it's only been to annoy 
you- you not only have an axe to grind, you've already ground it to 
bits together with everything around and below it not to mention half 
of China. On the other hand, even the average houseplant would feel 
superior after reading what you post- so stop blaming Mensa for your 
shortcomings.
   
>
>   -- Mind is container.  
>      We measure its capacity.
>   -- Mind is computer.   
>      We measure its capability.
>   -- Mind is vehicle.  
>      We measure its speed.
>

You is amusing.
We measure your tolerance.
Only you don't know it.

>This should be good.

It was. It always has been. Thank you.
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