HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: spencer@ernie.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: using your abilities
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@ernie.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:59:45 GMT

In article <1inncvINN6l@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, sabinson@ccvax.unicamp.br writes:
>
>I'm posting this for a friend who has just found a way to read
>soc.motss but seems unable to post.  He's replying to Jojo.
> 
>>--------------------------- cut here ------------------------------<
[...]
>> Someone with the voice of an angel who doesn't like singing is in the
>> same position, and will forever hav people pestering them to grace the
>> world with their gift.
> 
>Someone with a voice of an angel who doesn't like singing is probably not
>going to know what to do with the voice.  Not everyone gets beyond the
>barriers of deep throating.  What is more, the emotional attitude will come
>through.  The singing will gag.  There are people without great natural
>endowments who do know what to do them.  This is what makes a great artist
>either in sex or music.

I'm not sure what I have to say is relevant any more, but for what it's
worth... I am ill at ease when I hear people say things like "You have
such talents, and you aren't doing anything with them," with the
implication that you are somehow below other people with similar gifts
or talents who actually use them.

I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment that you have to make use of
all your abilities.  I think that when someone has a gift or talent,
they have along with it a responsibility to use it wisely, and also the
right to choose NOT to use it.

It's like people telling tall people "Why aren't you a basketball
player?"

Along similar lines, I used to get subtle harrassment from fellow Asians
in high school that I wasn't in the Asian Awareness Club.  Someone once
even said something to the effect of "You're Asian, you should be in the
AAC."  Those are nearly his exact words.

This all gets back to what Brent and Caroline and others have said --
no one likes being categorized or pigeonholed.  It only gets worse when
people start to belittle you or lay guilt trips on you for refusing to
fit the mold.

-----
sss / Princeton University Class of 1994 / Department of Computer Science
Laws... so widely disobeyed and which cannot be enforced only promote
disrespect for the law in general. [NJ Ass'yman Mikulak, RE: 55 MPH
limit]

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Clear and cold (was: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette))
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:43:53 GMT

In article <C0r5xq.4Ew@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> Oh, well, when I was the subject line I thought someone was going to 
                   ^^^
> quote my favorite weather forecast from a newspaper.

It took me three readings to figure out what happened here.

[sample weather forecast]
>      Clear and cold.
>      Day and night.

Well, if we're going to get into odd weather forecasts, I remember
hearing this on the radio a number of years ago:

"Partly sunny today, tonight, and tomorrow..."

This was *not* north of the Arctic Circle, nor south of the Antarctic.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: H20, Greehouse, meteorology (was Re: kommotion...)
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:12:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.180321.7179@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
Donahue) writes:

>	right now I have about a dozen stars that are like the Sun 
>more or less yet half show a pattern of rotation that is compeltely 
>back-asswards -

How does a star do this?  And can mere mortals learn?

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:36:35 GMT

In article <72901@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>Damn, John.  Did you get bionic ears (a'la Jaime Sommers in _The
>Bionic Woman_), or what?                   ^^^^^

Oh, poppa Freud! That's *Jamie* Sommers. Of course, if you drop by
your video outlet, you might find Jaime Sommers in "The Bionic
Nellie"...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Keywords: ARRRRGHGHGHGHG!
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:50:36 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <76203@apple.apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>And *I* - who have a Wesley Crusher postcard pinned to the
>wall of my cube - *cannot* *go*.

It's moments like this (Wesley's MacWorld expose') that I get down on
my knees and thank the powers that be that I work in a Intel(tm)
compatible world :)

-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Accents in _The Crying Game_ (still no spoilers)
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan12.190109.27022
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <queeny@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>I think Ulster accents do tend to pose a comprehension problem to
>those unfamiliar with them.

I had trouble, too.

>They're unlike any other English-speaking
>accents, except perhaps some Scottish ones.  (In the film, Fergus's
>claims to be Scottish are accepted without hesitation by the English
>people to whom he makes them; Irish or Scottish people would have
>known better.)

Actually, I thought this was a running joke.  His accent didn't sound
Scottish to me, but maybe that's only because it didn't sound like
the generic-Scottish-accent we take for this in the US.

>I was even more amazed when someone pointed out that this is the same person
>who played Queen Elizabeth in Blackadder.

This is perhaps the most shocking revelation of all!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:08:46 GMT

In article <C0Dy6w.9KL@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>In my mail today was a catalogue for one of those mail order music
>outfits that advertise along with the Ginzu knives and the Bamboo
>Steamers on WTBS.  Thumbing through it, nestled among the ads for
>Slim Whitman (He Had The Number One Record In England For More Weeks 
>Than Even Elvis And The Beatles!) and Pan Flute Masterpieces is this
>priceless gem:
>
>	     * * *  ACCORDION PARTY  * * *
>   Here's a "listening treat" like you've never heard.


Bleh!  This is the worst idea since MuchPolka, Canada's own 24-hour
polka station.

But wait!  I can do better!

Last month, on a very boring flight home from Indianapolis, I began leafing
through High Street Emporium, a telephone order catalog stuffed into the
magazine holders of United Airlines seats.  (Side question:  are only the
economy seats uniquely inflicted with this rag, or are business passengers
assaulted as well?)  Included in the list of fine brand-name products were
the following gems:

- an *electronic* letter opener, $10.95.  It's not just battery operated;
  it has microchips.  *Why*?
- a Micky Mouse (TM) waffle iron, $49.99.  It's all I can do to face myself
  in the morning.  Having a smiling cartoon character on my plate before my
  first gallon of caffeine could result in mass murders.
- a battery powered pepper mill, $29.95.  "I'm sorry supper's going to be
  a little bland:  the batteries are dead."
- a voice-changing telephone, $89.95.  Call display can be had for a couple
  of dollars per month.  Go figure.
- a personal home paper shredder, $149.95.  Sorry, not even if it was 
  endorsed by Ollie North.

Where *do* these ideas come from?

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Out to parents in relationships (was Re: long-term relationships..
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 23:30:31 GMT

chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
| I also know a few people who want to have a boyfriend before they come out to
| their parents.  They want to avoid the "You'll always be alone" statements form
| their parents.

For a long time, I had wanted to have a lover before coming out to my
parents, although my rationale was different. I thought that if I was
not out, my parents could get to know my lover as a person without
any prejudicial filters; and that if I was out, they would always
look differently at any new friends of mine.

I abandoned this strategy nearly three years ago now, and I discovered
that I was very much underestimating my parents. They have been
perfectly wonderful. Dad pays attention to gay-related news in the
paper, keeps up with stuff, and discusses it with me. They were
both eager to make a good impression the first time I brought home
a boyfriend, the table set extra nicely, a special meal prepared.
They were very supportive a year ago when I was wrestling with the
decision to move back to Washington to be with Don, and Mom rushed
in with ever-accurate motherly intuition when things didn't work
out between us. (Mom calls the morning after I return from Washington,
"So how was your trip?". I attempt cheerfulness: "Oh, it was pretty
good for the most part." Mom doesn't miss a clue: "Tell me about
the part that wasn't so good." ...and goes on to be wonderfully
commiserating.)

I recently found out third-hand that my father had cried later the
night I came out to them. *Not* because his son was gay. He cried
for all the years that I had been afraid to share that part of my
life with them, for all the anxiety and hard times over those years
that they might have helped me through but instead I weathered alone.

When I stop to count my blessings, the first two are obvious.

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:46:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.033809.28730@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
A. Thomas) wrote:

>   Suffice it to say, San Francisco's people are far to pasty
> to be close to the center of the gay solar system. 

No, no.  Not the *gay* Universe.  We are the center of the *known*
Universe...

> As I sure you are now getting the drift,
> the gay center of the solar system is clearly more southerly...

Hah!  Prepostidigious!  *South* of the Bay Area, one finds only
a endless, swelling sea of swollen hedonists - each more concerned
than the next about the cut of cashmere overcoats in fashion for
the week, nevermind the absurdity of *wearing* such a coat in
the So Cal clime.  If not cashmere overcoats, it's bicep structure -
not necessary *size*; but rather *structure* - as in "my arms are
more classically beautiful than your arms."  If not bicep structure
it is sports cars.  If not sports cars it's cellular phones.  If
not cellular phones, it's who can name the most long-dead, very
irrelevant cultural figures.  etc/etc

Southern Californians are too self-centered as *individuals* to be
self-centered as a geographic location...  

*X*
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:29:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Doug Sewell (doug@cc.ysu.edu) writes:

>Most guys in the US run 5-7".  So I'd give 'e' to 7-8", e+ to 8-9",
>and e++ to anything bigger.  I'd also give an extra "+" for thickness.
>I've only run into a few borderline e+/e++ guys, and one bona-fide
>e++.  

I think the Kinsey statistics gave the white American male average as 6" in
length, and 2.17" in circumference.  My personal thoughts woould be to rate
this as an e0 (or blank) and with a up to an inch variation on each side of
length and about 1/4" on each side of circumference as still e0.  The next
inch on length and 1/4" (or so) on circumference (take off more than that, and
you fast approach a true pencil-dick) would be e/e-, and so on.

>Most of the e+ or bigger guys [that I know], as was noted earlier, aren't
>completely at-ease with this, or with how others respond to it.  Some get
>expected to be top-only, others are expected to forego some acts, some get
>looked over like meat in the display case, etc.  They feel that nothing
>else matters at times.

Indeed, it isn't a happy feeling you get when someone looks at you (or gropes
at you) and says, "Mmm, big dick.  I hope you're a bottom."

(Fess up: who just glanced down to my sig to see my bear code?)

------------------------------
                             |     "What's that noise?" I asked Val.  "Sounds
Jim Drew                     | like an electric razor."
jrd@frame.com                |     "Ron's shaving," I was told.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Shaving?  Ron?  The guy who thinks everyone
"Innocent, but not naive."   | would look better with a beard, even Madonna?"
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "Who said anything about shaving his
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *beard?*" Val said, and scratched idly at his
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | chest.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:23:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.114002.10153@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <72990@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
> (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> 
> >and you can make yourself
> >something totally unique.
> 
> Not more uniquer yet?

Or the uniquest????





--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:36:37 GMT

> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>In California, I'm told that Kirkwood (South Lake Tahoe) is the
>place to swish - perfect for drag queens with visions of Olympic
>Gold...

My skiing drag queen friends (hi Crystal! hi Audrey!)
prefer to schuss en travesti at Squaw Valley.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: taking over
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:47:25 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <17797@umd5.umd.edu>, jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) wrote:

>> While we're at it, I suggest that it's time to implement
>> Phase C of the Secret Homosexual Agenda to Take Over 
>> America [*].  The code words: Kiss a Queer for America.

>Bah.  Code phrase:  Have you hugged your neighbors nubile teenage
>sons, yet?

Beh. Code phrase: Have you tongued a baby today?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:47:40 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) writes:
>Every once in a while I'll read on the local bboards in the places I
>have accounts at, that Mr&Mrs so-and-so had a brand new baby, vital
>statistics of the baby follow, and the message ends with how the
>father is proud and the mother is resting at the hospital. The message
>is invariably congratulatory.
>
>So here are my questions:
>
>1. Is it a het thing, and I just don't understand?

<sigh>  hetsex does produce children more easily than homosex, 
yes.  physiologically, anyway.  didn't you take biology?

funny, i didn't get this post at all.  i know a lot
of single and motss parents, and all of them sent out 
announcements (how public they were depended on the 
personality involved).  some announced in newsletters, 
others only in private notes to close friends.  

for some of us, regardless of sexuality, children are
an exciting joyous event, no matter how they arrive.  

continuation of the species and all that.  


>2. Is there something intrinsic to be proud of on the part of the
>father? The only thing he has proven so far is that he has a working
>reproductive system.

in a society where an awful lot of men want no responisbility
for the children they fathered, one who is willing to be a 
parent is to be congratulated.  

>5. Am I the only one with the (suppresed) urge to post followups along
>the lines of "who cares?" or "only 10 pounds? You can hardly make a
>pot roast out of that!"

<sigh> this is the kind of attitude that proves the fundies
right about queers being "anti-family".  remember, you were 
once that cherished baby (in all likelihood) and maybe someday
you'll have one.  

also remember that there are a lot of queer parents, a minority
within a minority, who have been known to mind pot-roast jokes,
too.  

may you never want (and especially be unable to have) kids yourself.

>6. Should I really be working on finishing my thesis and not bothering
>soc.motss with my morning (very late night, actually) bitchiness?

yes.  

peg
-proud queer mother of three
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:07:48 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Steve Dyer:

>We're talking serious cosmetics cases.

As in, the kind that must be checked when flying commercially, a la
Tammy Faye.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: OPERA: ``The Birth Of Venus'' at UCLA 1/8-1/9
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:56:11 PST

In article <3b02akb@rpi.edu> Ron Buckmire, buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu
writes:
> you get to met me and Dean!

I have had this unique experience.  While I can't attend, I would highly
recommend meeting these two.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chad Jones                 | Do I need someone here to scold me or do I
Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
cjones@physci.ucla.        | downward?                 -- 10,000 Maniacs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:25:33 GMT

In article <C0rDI0.EtB@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.182645.16870@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>
>>I'm just trying to reconcile these
>>all-inclusive simplistic statements with my knowledge that there's a
>>_lot_ of diversity in a population of 5 billion across six* continents
>>and a recorded history of more than 5000 years.
>
>I find this argument astonishingly naive.  History has spoken, and it
>spoke at Stonewall.  If you or anyone else can suggest a single event
>that was even comparably significant with respect to gay liberation in
>the same way that Stonewall is, then we have a debate.  Otherwise,
>those 5000 years don't add up to bullshit.

So that's it?  There was Stonewall and nothing else?  Anywhere?  At any
time?  Nothing before?  Nothing after?  Not a single victory worth 
celebrating or a loss worth mourning?  Just Stonewall?

No court cases?
No civil rights marches?
No civil disobedience events?
No AIDS crisis?
No election campaigns?
No civil rights legislation?
Nothing?

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:42:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan6.040836.7967@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1id78gINN91a@mizar.usc.edu>
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
> >Arne (I didn't *reek* of cologne during lunch, did I?)
>
> Well, it was distinctly breezy that day, if I remember...
> Seriously, I didn't notice.  What _was_ it?

I smelled of soap, if I smelled of anything.  I don't
*pack* cologne after a disaster once when a bottle of,
you guessed it, Jicky broke inside a carry-on bag and
drenched my clothes and I had to go around New York for 
a week smelling like I worked at the makeup counter at Macy's.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan11.181426.16611@tc.cornell.edu>
	<KMEYER.93Jan11141657@solarium.aero.org> <C0q1vq.Aw@queernet.org>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:08:56 GMT

What I'm hearing in these threads is that people want to remember
Stonewall and that people want to celebrate Gay Pride, and that the
two aren't *necessarily* done with one and the same event.  That seems
sensible.  Aslo, though it would be nice to remember Stonewall the
at the same time everywhere on Earth, logistics might prevent that.

I'll settle for a clearer understanding and better knowledge of what
went down that night, regardless of when that takes place.  (Time to
hit the library and the QRD for that one.)

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.