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From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Where the heck is the FAQ? Does one exist?
Keywords: Barf!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 04:05:56 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:

> I forgot to mention that the FAQ has an 'Expires:' header on it, so if
> you use the registered version of Mathew's expire under dos waffle or 
> a 'real unix' expire, it should be around for at least 30 days.... 

Is the Waffle FAQ cross-posted to news.answers? This is the newsgroup
for all FAQs.

                                          -= Max =-
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:43:45 GMT

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>Waffle and all other BBS programs should be robust enough to recover from
>dropped carrier.  Sure, my modem recovers, but Waffle does not always do
>so.  To say that I should rely upon my users to turn off their call-waiting
>is a cop-out.  If Waffle cannot handle these situations reliably, then
>there is a problem with Waffle.  Does anyone disagree with this?  Why?

After about 60,000 calls, I have never seen this happen.  I'm inclined
to agree with some, that maybe the modem has a bug in the length of time
DTR is being held low.
From: wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Forced un-join?
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 05:56:01 PDT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>
>wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu) writes:
>
>>    THEN they find that the group is no longer in their JOIN fi
>> Has anyone else seen this happen?  Is it 'supposed' to work th
>> Can anyone suggest any way to prevent this short of going back
>> /keep instead of expire?
>>                   Thanks in advance,
>>                   Chuck
>
>Use Chris Winemiller's expire (CWEXP104.ZIP). It has a 'keeper' 
>that will always retain at least one message in any group. I've 
>using it since he first issued v1.0 and it just gets better with
>new rev level. He has a rev 1.05 in the wings, but I don't know 
>turned it loose yet.
>
Where exactly is this mysterious 'keeper' option.  (CWEXP104.ZIP) is
the version I am using and as follows there is no such option.

expire -h gives me:
Usage: expire [-a -e <expire_file> -h -n -t]    where:
        -a = Consider all files in each news group or expire directory.
             (Default: consider only files whose names consist
             only of numerical characters (0-9) and no extension.)
        -e = Name of an expire file naming directories to be expired.
        -h = help (i.e., this printout)
        -n = Reports, but doesn't delete, expired articles.
        -t = Also display the expiration time for each news group.

Expire version 1.04  by C.L.W.  

I have looked at the source and find no other undocumented options.
Are you using a beta of 1.05 by any chance?

I may attempt to modify the source so that it does not delete the last
article, by my skills are rusty and my compiler is ancient.  If anyone
is willing to send me a patch or a patched version (executable & source)
I would be most appreciative.  (With credit to the author as requested)

If Version 1.05 handles this then is there any way to get ahold of it yet?

                      Thanks in advance again,
                      Chuck Gladu.


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...!seanews!eisley!wendor
                +++ Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS   Seattle, WA +++
From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Why I Hate SHARE
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:55:04 EDT
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:

> Every now and then, I'll be a good boy, and install SHARE. After all, I
> am running Waffle under Windows 3.1, and someone could be logged in 
> at the same time as I am in another window. That sort of makes sense.
> 
> However, if I happen to be looking at the STATIC file at the same time
> Waffle needs to look at it, all Hell breaks loose.
> 
> SHARE cannot differentiate between r/w and r/o access.

Depends on what you use to look at the file
Directory Control
  Version 1.1

works here unless the other task attempts to delete the file.

The way I avoid all these problems is to keep a shadow copy in a work
dir just below the real dir [ I started this as at one point waf164 was
deleting my static file :( ], do all your changes there and just copy
the changed files up one level, this does take some space but gives me
the luxury of a) a backup copy b) messing with the files as much as I
want without killing the system.



--
Bellatrix Systems Corp. Mississauga, Ontario Canada
peters@beltrix.guild.org or beltrix!peters
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Can FEEDS files have multiple entries?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:13:42 EDT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text

Hi everyone:

I was wondering if it was possible in the DOS version of Waffle 1.65
to specify multiple feed lines in the FEEDS file.

Basically, I want to send a specific neighbour of mine (let's call him
"ember") everything posted on my machine with the exeption of a few
groups, as well as feed him things not-so-local, as long as he has an
interest in them.

Here's what I would LIKE to do:

ember /local /batch=comp16 *,!alt.save.the.world,etc...
ember alt.fashion,comp.bbs.waffle,etc...

Can this be done or will it cause complications?  I am reluctant to try
it without asking first because I've got things working *enough* with
the one line without making it worse!

I would also like to use multiple feed lines because one of my other
neighbours (let's call him "gtm-inc") is getting so many groups fed
to him that my line-lengths are getting too long!

Please respond via e-mail...I shall be glad to follow-up with a summary.

Thanks in advance.

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From: bytehead@bp1742.UUCP (Bryan Price)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Logging in again without logging out?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:46:51 EDT
Organization: Burning Point, Columbus OH  43229-5646

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

...stuff about login I've already answered deleted...

> Type 'login' from the system prompt.  Note, the system config files
> don't appear to be reloaded (it seems that only happens at hang-up),
> so not all changes necessarily take affect.
> 
> NOTE: login does not work from local console (used to in 1.64 but doesn't
> now).

It indeed *does* work from the local console, as I just did it. 
Although when I tried it exactly at midnight, it decided to hang :(.

But yes it does.  However, I use WAFFLE LOCAL, not WAFFLE ONLINE
BYTEHEAD, in which case, no it doesn't work.  (and yes, you can
check, but I'm running 1.65)

Bryan L. Price       | [ bytehead@bp1742.UUCP ]           *Burning Magnesium*
<Why would I make    | [ bytehead@bluemoon.use.com]
my disc any laimer?> | [ Bryan.Price@p1742.f340.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG ]
From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle and ANSI
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 22:46:08 EDT
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063


   I know I've seen some posts in the past about using Waffle with
ANSI, so hopefully someone can help me. I've been trying to set up
ANSI menus, and I'm unsure of what I'm doing wrong.

   While they may work fine remotely, I have no way of knowing as
I do not have another modem to call my BBS with. Locally, it
appears as if Waffle is ignoring the ANSI driver and doing direct
screen writes. I have tried setting the video : ansi and also the
video : bios parameters in the static file, and I have also tried
using ANSI.SYS (a security risk because of key remapping, I know..),
ZANSI.SYS, NNANSI.SYS, and a version of NNANSI.SYS compiled
specifically for my video card.

   The board is running under DOS 5.0, X00 1.24 (fossil), and
Lantastic-Z (which should have nothing to do with it...) If
anyone has any ideas, I'd very greatly appreciate it if they
could either mail me or respond here. And if I missed it in
the docs, then I really must be blind.... although it is a
possibility, nonetheless...   Thanks.


 ---
 Christopher Horn           |  "We're all caught in a state of decay..."
 chorn@eastwind.mcds.com    |  The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: E-mail bounce loops
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 01:49:13 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

A month or so ago I discontinued a newsfeed from my system to another
local system. To handle any remaining mail traffic to that site, I put

      site.uucp  | Bounce "No such domain"

or something like that in my paths file. Well, a mail message came in,
and got forwarded back out towards whence it came. Then it got sent
right back to my site, starting a loop. I realize the lingering map
entry for the discontinued site causes the mail to get routed to my
site, but how can loops be avoided? I tried putting

      site.uucp = d:\user\system\site

in the paths file. Sent mail to test@site.uucp to test it, and the
message was queued for Internet delivery. It would have bounced all
over the place. Anyone have a good way to break loops like this?


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Pathological subdirectory read/create/delete time under DOS 5.0?
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:09:44 GMT

In article <1uHiRB2w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org!work> clubzen.fidonet.org!work!mwallis writes:
|bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
|> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
|> > Will defragmenting the disk and consolidating directories help?
|> There ya go! :-)
|I have to agree emphatically. Defrag dialy or die!

Well, I solved the problem by defragmenting the directories only -- takes
about 2 minutes, and works perfectly.  Defragging the whole disk takes
significantly longer, for not much benefit.

I wish I had the spare RAM to make a nice cache, but all I have is 640k...
yeah, I know, how can anyone be so behind the times?...

Thanks to all who offerd their suggestions.  If I get more RAM any time soon,
I'll be installing HyperDisk cache...

  Bill
From: cuadrasola@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Login into Waffle through the net
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:08:28 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I am trying to set up a BBS using Waffle on a 486 running DOS and connected
to Internet through an Ethernet card.  What I would like to do is to be able
log into waffle from another Internet computer.  Is this possible?  How?  Would
it be possible to set up Waffle so that both MODEM and Internet connections can
be made? Is this something that only the Unix version of Waffle can handle?
I know that to log into Waffle running on a Unix workstation you just need
telnet the workstation and log in as bbs, then Waffle runs and you can log
into Waffle.  Can the same login procedure be used on a PC?  If so, how can I
telnet to a PC?

-- 
Juan 

+--------------------------------------+
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| Juan P. Cuadra-Sola                  |
| cuadrasola@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu        |
| Electrical and Computer Engineering  |
| University of Kansas                 |
| Lawrence, KS. 66045                  |
|                                      |
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From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: sdnet.waffle,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: COLORS!
Summary: lines per page and colors
Keywords: colors lines
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:18:38 GMT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

warelock@netrun.cts.com (Tom Zacharoff) writes:
> I have no idea about the colors. I actually *like* white letters on black
> background. It somehow reminds me of the way computer screens used to look
> before Super-duper VGA...

This is an update to my colors. I have started using ansi.sys and it
really doesn't seem to matter. I can pick the color of # 1 (screen) and
have settled on blue background with cyan letters. I think that I read
somewhere on usenet before that this was a very good combination. My
eyes at least like it.

The status bar and the windows come out with colors totally different
than what I ask for. But these do not really matter at all me, so I am
very happy.


Now can anyone give me an idea how to increase the # of lines per page
in waffle?

Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Forced un-join?
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:03:39 GMT

In article <34uyRB1w165w@eisley.wa.com> wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu) writes:
|bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
|>
|>Use Chris Winemiller's expire (CWEXP104.ZIP). It has a 'keeper' 
|>that will always retain at least one message in any group.

Roy Silvernail's nuexpire.pl (nexp13.zip) does this by default.  Available
on halcyon.com in /pub/waffle/news.

  Bill
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Multiple addresses
Date: 24 Sep 92 23:32:21 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

> cybrspc!wwiv!84-500@cs.umn.edu (sysadmin#lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) #
> 
> >1089-503@wwiv.cojones.com (jgostin#eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) #1089 @50

As an aside, I've noticed on quite a few posts the replacement of the "@"
in quoted messages with a "#" (as above). Any clues? Is it a bug, feature,
"feature", or op-proc?

                                   Jeff

...From a tiny little node called Eternal!
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From: elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: USING DOS5's EDIT.COM as an editor?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:17:08 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:

> What are the advantages of using DOS 5's Editor (especially on a
> point)?

Only that it's mouseable, and convenient, for a local editor.

> Is it because QEdit doesn't work with 1.65?  _Does_ QEdit work
> with 1.65?

I use Qedit as a local editor here, and em15 (qedit clone) for a remote
editor.  No problems with 1.65 seem apparent.

+------------------------------+------------------------+--------------+
|  God is Real...              |   elrond@freeside.com  | Why ask why? |
|     Unless declared integer  |    Stephen L. Palmer   |  (because)   |
+------------------------------+------------------------+--------------+
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Why I Hate SHARE
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:56:51 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:

> Needless to say, SHARE has been disabled again....

Try using Buerg's LIST with the 'S'hare option..


       morpheus@entropy.mcds.com  <->  morpheus@f208.n2606.z1.fidonet.org
                       Let's watch the world fall apart.
                      (the illuminati are still watching)
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Why I Hate SHARE
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:30:29 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

del@flex.com (Caretaker) writes:

> > 
> > Needless to say, SHARE has been disabled again....
> 
> Try changing STATIC's attributes to Read-Only. Or have two different STATIC
> files, with each call doing a separate SET WAFFLE=xxxx.
> 

You'll also need a separate SYSTEMS file.  And, there will probably be
others, hiding in the woodwork.  Will changing STATIC's attribute to r/o
have any positive effect on this problem?

> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> del.wong..del@flex.com..flex.information.network..hawaii..808.531.3539..4.nod


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Shroom and Waffle
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:24:13 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access


I recently started using shroom to give myself a bit more space when
shelling out of Waffle. 

The problem I've run into is when my new user batch file starts up, or
if I shell from remote the last thing that's seen is Shroom's swap message.
Then nothing. The system isn't locked up, just no i/o to the modem.

I'm using the following command line:

    shroom -p -s D:\ WAFFLE %1

Anyone else run into this? 



--
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Micro-Medic                          public access usenet (408)279-5240
711 Lincoln Avenue                  public access pcboard (408)280-1610
San Jose, CA 95126                    FileServer - FTPMail@micromed.com
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:35:52 GMT

In article <Nu7TRB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
|Now, there's only five occurences of the word "turns" in all the documentation.
|Maybe we could have an actual definition of "turn."

"command at the main prompt", I believe.

|It seems that there is some additional work to be done in order to get
|Waffle to be more robust in handling dropped carrier...

What kind of modem do you have?  Does its CD light go out when the user hangs
up?  I have never once had this problem, with the several various modems I've
used on hogbbs, in over 2 years.  (Current modem: ZyXEL U-1496E, and loving it!
*plug*plug*plug* :-)

This is almost definitely your modem's problem.  Waffle can't be expected to
detect that someone hung up if the modem doesn't tell it...

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison)
Subject: Re: Functionality of Waffle 1.65
Keywords: Patches, COLOR, SECURITY, ENVIRONMENT
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.161731.8940@bluemoon.rn.com> grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean) writes:
>rthomas@hakatac.almanac.bc.ca (Robert N Thomas) writes:
>
>>SHELL ACCESS (How to HACK a waffle site)
>>=========================================
>
>
> You missed something obvious...  Why the heck would you have given a
>shell account to someone who would do that in the first place? If someone
>isn't 100% trustable, they should not be given a shell account. Not
>counting the various administrative ids (on my current SunOS system or
>my previous SysV system) there have never been more than 6 shell accounts
>including my own on my systems (usually not more than 5).
>
Grant,

On this Sun system we have at least 60 shell users and it grows. When the system
was running in San Diego we had over 1200 shell users. I feel it is up to
the sysadmin to protect himself!

The point is not how many but whether or not it can be done from Waffle.

-- 
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45034 Imnaha Court		Voice:	(510)623-8651
Fremont, CA   94539-6669	Data:	(510)623-8652
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From: tom@spud.kludge.com (Tom Lemos)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle Offline Reader for 1.65
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:08:29 PDT
Organization: Tater Tot Liberation Front, San Francisco CA

hello there...
does an offline reader for 1.65 exist? 
I know of Wafmail but what version works with 1.65 or is the current 
version compatible. 
 
thanks for your help. any offline reader will be helpful,as my users are 
starting to complain... 


Tom Lemos (tom@spud.Kludge.COM)          Tater Tot Liberation Front
"It's Dan Quayle, FORGET about it!"       San Francisco, California
-Frank Fontana to Murphy Brown.                     +1 415 255 8340
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison)
Subject: Re: Functionality of Waffle 1.65
Keywords: Patches, COLOR, SECURITY, ENVIRONMENT
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.050819.23975@hakatac.almanac.bc.ca> rthomas@hakatac.almanac.bc.ca (Robert N Thomas) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep23.000900.4527@jack.sns.com> you write:
>>Hi Folks!
>>
deleted stuff

>
>SHELL ACCESS (How to HACK a waffle site)
>=========================================
>
>   Quite simply, if a SHELL user can gain any access to your waffle executable,
>then the BBS system is vunerable.  Especially if waffle is suid to some account.
>Once inside, the user running the program simply runs some external program,
>and then SHELLS to unix, and then HACKS the system...
>
Please, correct me if I am wrong. If SHELL access is properly granted then when
a user exits to the shell he/she should be put into their home directory and setuid
and setgrp to their account and group which are different from the BBS. Now how
can they possibly damage the BBS. I did this for years with the software which I 
wrote with no trouble at all. Why will this not work for Waffle also?

>   A number of sysadmins force users to use unix's su command to gain access
>to the BBS.  This type of sysadmin may have forgotten the following:
>
>WAFFLE=/usr/hacker/hacksys.static
>export WAFFLE
>su bbs
>
>   The WAFFLE environment variable is preserved, hence allowing a "hacker"
>to create a set of BOGUS system files, and hence they get a SHELL, and may
>freely CD over to the "real" waffle system files, and nuke your system.
>
>   Without doing some code modifications to your WAFFLE 1.64 or 1.65 waffle
>release, you may as well consider your system insecure.  If any user has
>shell access, then they have the capability of hacking the WAFFLE BBS.
>

All of the above, I believe, is making the assumption that the user still is 
running around the system with the id of the BBS correct?


deleted stuff


Again thanks for the posting it was informative.

I would love to see some of your fixes which you mention.

I might even go so far as to suggest that this should be ana ctive topic in 
this group. Yoiu and I cannot be the only ones that need to deal with this area!

Again thanks! (and send the patches!)


-- 
J. Steven Harrison, PhD.	steve@jack.sns.com
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Fremont, CA   94539-6669	Data:	(510)623-8652
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