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From: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer)
Subject: Re: Rovers
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:44:19 GMT

In Canada, Rovers is the section for young men and women aged 18 to 26 years.
A squire is a person who is wanting to become a Rover and is on "probation"
while he completes a set of requirements before he is invested.  It is a time
for the squire and crew to decide whether or not they want to belong or ,in the
crew's case, whether or not they want this person.

Jason Farmer
11th Sur-Del "Errant Knights" Rover Crew

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From: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Weather Reports Nov 22/92
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

First real snow fall of the winter. We can expect 10-15 cm. by Monday,
but it's not too cold, just below freezing.

The big joke, is that our local Edmonton Eskimo football team have a
play-off game in Calgary (290 kms South), and the weather is not too
good there either. Crazy Canucks! Playing football in the snow.

Anymore weather reports out there. Maybe we'll hear from Scouters in
warm climes.

Yours In Scouting

Bob Kenyon, Trainer III
Edmonton Regional Council
Edmonton, AB. Canada

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From: rae.brown@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Rae Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: PROGRAMS FROM OTTAWA
Date: 14 Nov 92 23:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: rae.brown@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Rae Brown)
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

DH>I am trying to get hold of a copy of the scouting computer programs from
DH>HQ in Ottawa. Can anyone help me find them? I understand that they are

Hi Doug.  If you send two 1.44 Mb or four 720 Kb 3.5" disks;
                                      OR
                      three 1.2 Mb or nine 360 Kb 5.25" disks to

                                Gerry Kroll
                                32 Elm Street
                                Stittsville, On
                                K2S 1P6

      Scouts Canada will send you the complete library.  For more info
      on the library check out "The Leader", November '92 issue, page
      14.  Alternatively, I've sent for the library already and would be
      happy to share...

Rae Brown    Edmonton, Alberta.
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Violation of Netiqutte (was: Stan - Hatred is unbecoming)
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:14:57 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Nov12.210927.20324@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>
> As all you netnews readers see from the header of Dominick's posting,
> what he did was to take private email from me and, without my
> knowledge or consent, publically post it.  Such behavior is a total
> violation of netiquette, and Dominick knows it.

So he violated netiquette.  So what?  You sent him mail.  He had a file
with your message on it.  Why can't he show that message to people?
It's his file, not yours.
 
> I especially resent the use of the word "hatred" in the subject of
> Dominick's unauthorized posting of the email.  I simply do not agree
> with certain gay rights agenda assumptions.

I can't believe y'all are still harping on the homosexuality subject.
Just accept the fact that the Boy Scouts of America are, by their own
policy, homophobic Christians.  End of discussion.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: j_butler@tincup.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Sad News - Green Bar Bill is dead
Reply-To: j_butler@tincup.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:42:00 GMT


As I heard it, he died of a heart attack. At age 92. 
A memorial service is being planned for the 1993 National Jamboree.
I give as much credence to his having had AIDS/ARC as I do to "Elvis Sightings."

Regards,

John B.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Posting private email..
Organization: Summit NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:31:31 GMT

Carl M. Kadie writes:

>>I should have said that the CONTENTS of the letter remain the
>>property of the author....

>This is ambiguous. To the best of my understanding here is want is
>legal and illegal (disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer)....

Let's not lose sight of the fact that there was no legal issue
involved.  It was strictly a netiquette issue; Dominick posted
my private e-mail to him without my consent or knowledge.
-- 
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UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: dwight@devnet.la.locus.com (Dwight Tovey)
Subject: Re: Are the Girl Scouts Straight and Godly also?
Reply-To: dwight@locus.com
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:02:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.182319.2131@midway.uchicago.edu>, greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg) writes:
|> Somehow I can't ask this question without hinting at my opinion, but
|> here goes anyway:
|> 
|> Apparently, Boy Scouts have to be Straight and Godly these days.  (As
|> long as they are all Straight and Godly, I wish they would aspire to
|> truth in advertising and call themselves the SGBSA.)
|> 
|> Do Girl Scouts have to be Straight and Godly also?  If they don't I'll
|> still buy their cookies.  Please send a copy of your reply by mail.
|> Thanks in advance.

I just heard this on the radio: a Girl Scout troop in San Diego is being sued by some
12-year old girl because of the use of the word God in their scout oath.
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: The Character Factory
From: jlykset@eis.calstate.edu (Jon D. Lyksett)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:41:15 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: castaldi@heroes.glassboro.edu
Subject: SONG HELP                
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey, Glassboro, NJ 08028
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:40:32 GMT


I posted this a couple of days ago - but I don't think it made it.


While at National Camp School, I heard part of a song but no one knew all of
the words ---- maybee someone knows this.

The punch line of the song is:
 There was Grandma' - swinging on the outhouse door: without her nightie!

If anyone can post the rest of the words, it would put the minds of about 
30 classmates to rest.

On another note:
I got drafted to be the program director for Cub Scout Day Camp. (ages 7-9)
Our theme is "circus".

does anyone have any ideas for crafts,games,songs,or skits?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - I can really use any ideas.

thanx, John Castaldi
Boy Scout Troop 55, Tuckahoe, New Jersey, U.S.A.


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: davidbri@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David Brierley)
Subject: Re: Fund-raising
Keywords: scouts fund raising
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:45:25 GMT


     When I was a Scout my troop had an annual clamcake and clamchowder
dinner.  The troop had a special deal with a local seafood company,
which gave us a bulk discount on the food (the company even made the
clam chowder).  The troop's adults cooked the food while the Scouts
waited tables, cleaned, and sold beverages.  Admission was by advance
ticket sales, which allowed the troop to have the money up front to buy
the food.  I don't remember how much of a profit was made but it seemed
to do very well.

David R. Brierley

P.S.  Before the dinner my troop tried rummage sales and selling
      lightbulbs; neither worked.
   


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: wjh0265@tamsun.tamu.edu (William Hobson)
Subject: Re: Violation of Netiqutte (was: Stan - Hatred is unbecoming)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:28:46 GMT

I echo Stan's words - just because I disagree with the Gay Rights Movements 
agenda, it does not mean I have "hatred" in my heart.  I am a Bible believing
Christian and I learn from there (the Bible) that homosexuality is wrong.
This does not mean that I hate homosexuals - quite the contrary, it is an
essential teaching that I am to love all men, not just those who agree with me.
I therefore resent the implication that if you disagree, you hate.  It just
doesn't follow!
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Rec.scouting change - PLEASE GO AND VOTE
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:49:10 GMT
Organization: Summit NJ

Danny Schwendener writes:

>Whatever you decide to vote, please SEND IN YOUR VOTE.
>This is your group. So shape it the way you would like it to be.
>
>Oh yes, and a last reminder: you are free to state your opinion
>on the net (although there was plenty of time do do it before
>during the discussion period -- which is now officially closed).
>However, don't forget that only the filled vote ballots sent to
>vote@bernina.ethz.ch will be considered in the count.

I have NOT seen any formal CFV on news.announce.newgroups on this
topic; was there one posted?

Also, HOW do we vote and WHAT are we voting on?  Are we voting
to establish new groups, and if so, what are their names and
charters?  Don't we have to vote for each group individually
(i.e., we can't simply vote on reorganizing rec.scouting)?

Please post a formal CFV?
-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,tlak.religion.misc
From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Violation of Netiqutte (was: Stan - Hatred is unbecoming)
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:52:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.221934.6210@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

>Perhaps my use of child-abuser was too strong, but I do feel that
>counseling a teenage boy that sex with males might be acceptable,
>is just as wrong as counseling a Jew that marriage outside the religion
>might be acceptable.  And for rec.scouting purposes, all we are
>talking about is what is proper, within BSA guidelines, for the
>boys.

My G*d Stan, that bad???  Do you mean if a Jewish boy falls in love
with a girl, and wants to marry her, but is troubled by the fact that
she isn't Jewish, then telling him not to worry is almost the moral
equivalent of child abuse?

How many other people feel that their particular religion owns its
adherents body and soul, I wonder?  I would say that rescuing a boy
from a religious attitude which could even contemplate such an
equation is a good thing in and of itself.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: juan@hal.COM (John Thompson Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Rec.scouting change
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:42:51 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.


I also urge everyone to vote NO.  The volume of traffic in this group is
low, and it's very easy to kill streams you no longer wish to follow.

John Reynolds
From: cronin@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Fester the Penguin)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: A Scout is Helpful
Summary: Need some merit badge requirements...
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:29:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Might some kind soul do me a favor and email me the requirements for the
Electronics and Computer merit badges? Thanks. One of the campus organizations
I'm in wishes to hold a meritbadge day for those badges..

Thanks again,

Tom Cronin

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: Sad News - Green Bar Bill is dead
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:57:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov19.144449.18547@news.nd.edu> ckennedy@doc.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy) writes:
>In article <1eg2qaINNf26@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:
>>>In article <1dvprlINN4cd@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>>> Does anyone else find it ironic that GBB, perhaps the most well-known
>>>> and respected member of the Scouting organization since LBP, was gay?
>>>> keith
>>>Let's have some PROOF, here and not just flames. I have seen accusations
>>>that Baden-Powell was gay. Now I see one that "Green Bar Bill" was gay.
>>>_I don't buy it!!_  No one has the right to make such accusations.
>>Well, I had previously heard such rumors about both and had no knowledge
>>of the illness.  How did he contract AIDS?
>>keith
>Who the hell said anything about Green Bar Bill dying of aids, I thought that 
>he died because he was old.  As far as rumors as to him being gay, it seems 
>that anyone who is not married by the time they are 30 is accused of being 
>gay, especially by the self proclaimed outers, and even more so if they are 
>involved with youth, as in scouting.  
>chirs

Hmm, this is all very interesting.   I had never heard of GBB contracting
the HIV virus.  He did die, (As I verified via NY Times) of a heart attack. 
As for him being gay, I've heard those rumors for years, but never seen 
any reason either for or against them.  

As for accusing people of being gay... Well, don't you people see the 
problem with that statement?  If you don't, I'm not going to bother,
if you do, good.  I have heard many statements about people being gay, 
but one is only gay if they so define themselves.  it is interesting 
that by calling someone gay you are accusing them, whether this is true or 
false, I too would like to see some evidence.  As for LBP, well, I recall
seeing an article years ago by a British journalist, but I thought it was
highly unsubstantiated, so my answer there is the same.  

It seems to me that a good many people don't know what they are talking 
about.  Self-proclaimed outers and people "accuse" of being gay.  Just 
what praytell would ya'll's reaction be if the "accusations" were true?  
And if false?  does it matter?  Not to me.  I personally enjoyed GBB's
comics, stories, articles, etc... all my life.  I hope to continue enjoying
them and passing them down to my nieces,nephews, and my own children when 
I have them.  I could care less if he's gay/str8 or an alien(ET - version)
To me he was a great man, and I am sorry for us in his passing to a 
better life.  

Saranam,

Dominick V. Zurlo
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Project C.O.P.E.
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research and Environmental Staff

In article 4014@wkuvx1.bitnet, waltoml@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
|>
|>COPE Courses are a lot of fun for the kids involved..a pain in the
|>butt end for the Councils and the professional staffs.  They are very
|>dangerous courses and extreme stupidity resulting in several major
|>injuries in several courses have made the BSA to rethink the COPE
|>course' worth in the past five years.

COPE may be a pain fro the liability and administrative 
persepctives, but I think the councils that do it right get a good 
return.  It provides a strong attraction for getting older
boys to keep coming back to summer camp.

At our camp (Lost Lake Scout Reservation) there is a separate
area called Cdera Bay High Adventure Camp,  which includes the
COPE course, a 5 day backpacking program, a rapelling tower, 
a camp for overnight canoe trips, a Tipi village, and a western
camp with horse riding (some years) and blacksmithing. Individual
scouts, patrols and troops can take part in these activities as a 
supplement to the normal summer camp fare.

This is very popular with scouts who don't need additional merit badges
for advancement. I know several older boys who went back at least
twice just because of the Cedar Bay programs.

LLSR often runs COPE sessions for adults. I have done this twice
and found it to be quite an experience. For those familiar
with the program,  I had the most trouble with the Trust Fall.
It was difficult for me to let go of control.

Council also runs COPE as a weekend program for troops through
the fall. We the Philmont crew from our troop there as a
team building exercise and found it to be quite effective.


|>               Yet, the number of Councils
|>that have a course keeps going up because of the "Smith and Jones"
|>factor (council Smith has one, so we in Council Jones must have one
|>and a high ropes course at that...).  
|>

I believe that there is much more to it. A well-run COPE program
offers substantial payoffs. But it does require an investment in
equipment and training, and scrupulous attention to safety.


		Bob Haar
		Chartered Organization Representative,  Troop and Pack 188
		    BSA, Clinton Valley Council, Pontiac, Michigan, USA. 
		Ordeal member, Chippewa Lodge #29, WWW



Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: mpg92118@dit.upm.es (ANDRES CANCER ABREU)
Subject: Rec.scouting change
Organization: UUES, Asociacion de Usuarios de UNIX, Spain
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:49:22 GMT

Im not even living in America in fact im european, the idea i have about a
news group for scout is to get a way to exchange activities and ideas with
other leaders, not to discuss the B.S.A. politics. I agree with the idea of 
forming a subgroup for games, ideas, activities... just general things
and another for The B.S.A. affairs

        BUENA CAZA!!!!



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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
Subject: Re: Religion _in_practice_
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jce@cs.scarolina.edu (James C. Evans) writes:
> What is the point?  Is a religious service really a religious service
> if you water it down to those beliefs that are in common to everyone?

At District and Council Camporees and other events there is often a
planned religious service.  If there is going to be such a service I think
it is far better to try to locate members representing all the religions 
of the attendees who can jointly plan the service, than to simply have one
person plan and conduct the service.  The method of having one person plan
the service is quite standard (in my experience) and ends up in a service
that is usually decidedly christian (hymn, bible reading, etc.).  I think
a group of people with different religious beliefs could plan a service
which recognizes all Scouts Reverence and Duty to God without being specific
to any religion.

If a service needs to be based on some specific religions beliefs then
it is not an apropriate activity for District or Council activities where
religious diversity is to be expected.  It may be apropriate for a unit
activity where all members of the unit are of the same religion.

> Do you honestly think that the intersection of those sets is not null?

Yes.

> If you say it is not null, I venture
> to say that what is left is not religion at all, but ethics.

Certainly much of religion is ethics.  The distinguishing feature is a
belief in God (a higher being) and this is a belief common to all religions.

> How do you handle the problem of people who don't want to discuss
> their religious ideas with you, and, in fact, may not want to discuss
> with you the fact that they don't feel comfortable discussing it with you?

You leave them alone.  I suggest inviting people to participate in planning
and conducting the service.  Everyone is free to decline the invitation.
In my experience religious services are also open to everyone but not a
"required" activity in any sense.  This is apropriate.

> Chris Evans
> jce@ocean.geol.scarolina.edu

"May the great master of all scouts be with us until we meet again."

WWW
Dan Kary
Kary@col.hp.com

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: phill@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Phill Solomon)
Subject: re:Changes to rec.scouting
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:47:17 GMT

>In article <hunter-201192130641@158.185.20.241> hunter@master.lds-az.loral.com (Bill Hunter) writes:
>>We have been asked to vote for a change to the rec.scouting net.  I'm not
>>sure what has driven us to this point, but I am pleased with the current
>>cross-section of people and subjects.
>
>I am not pleased with the current group. The internal policy of
>BSA dominates the group and causes any interesting information to
>sink among the signal noice, therefore causing most of use
>foreigners to stay out.
>--
>Timo Kiravuo, kiravuo@hut.fi
>Helsinki University of Technology, Computer Center, Finland

I am not either, rec.scouting is NOT ONLY for BSA use. The constant 
argument about BSA policy does not have anything to do with Scouting
as such, and therefore should be moved elsewhere for those that want to
discuss it. Maybe we should have rec.scouting.bsa and let those who want
argue to the nth degree go there.


Yours in Scouting,

Phill Solomon
Secretary - Council for Yarra Batman Area Rovers
Activities - Yehudi Rover Crew
3rd Doncaster West Scout Group.

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