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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:44:06 GMT

>	The lifetime of the Motorola 68k line of chips DOES seem to be rather
>limited.  The 68060 won't be out until at least a YEAR after the Pentium or
>so, and the performance estimates for it aren't *stunning* for a hot new chip.
>(last I heard, they were expecting about 70-80MIPS on it....) By 1994, they
>might even be mediocre.

Yes, and once the 68060 IS released (probably over a year from now and
behind schedule), how long will it take for a stock Amiga to
incorporate it.  They are selling PCs that can use the Pentium already.
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:31:21 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1ia9asINNb7c@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <C0BJCq.MK9@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>CrossDOS is very poorly implemented in 2.1 and 3.0, with a disk in a drive
>>having totally different device names depending on whether that disk is in
>>AmigaDOS or IBM format.  Also, with CrossDOS enabled, there are almays two
>>'disk' icons on the screen for every disk in every drive.  Very, very messy.  
>
>CrossDOS needs to be more smoothly integrated into the system, agreed.

Yes, I'd much rather have the system interface pop up a window saying "the
disk is unreadable, do I want to format it?" every time I pop in an IBM disk,
unless I have Apple File Exchange running (in which case I can't use it as
a regular Apple disk until I quit AFE).

--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Subject: Re: VistaPro & clones
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:30:29 GMT

In article <72822@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>
>
>Nevermind the fact that the Amiga version of Vista Pro has more features
>in it than the MS DOS version has. And it renders much faster. I've
>had them running side by side, with the same .scape file loaded, and
>as close-to-same features set up in the control panels, one on a
>386SX machine, one on a 2500/30, and it was no contest, speed wise.

I've been thinging about getting Distant Suns, and or Vista Pro (Amiga Versions)
for some time now. I guess since its available for the IBM PC it's a serious
product.
 

>
>Semi-related to this, I was reading ClariNet Newsbytes yesterday (I can't
>repost the article here due to copyright restrictions) but a new product
>press release for a Windows product had been posted. The sole purpose of
>this new $99 product is to let Windows users delete disk directories. 
>::rubbing eyes:: yeah you read it right. It deletes disk directories
>and their subdirs and their contents if any.  Now I don't pretend to
>be intimate with Windows, in fact we haven't even slept together, but
>apparently there are some horrible genuflections one has to go thru
>to delete a Windows dir and its contents, without having to resort to
>going down to DOS to do it. So this $99 product lets a Windows user
>delete dirs and subdirs and contents without having to drop down to DOS.
>Imagine that. For a mere hundred bucks. 


I've often found that what's available for free or shareware on the Amiga is
$100+ in the IBM world. Consider all of the Norton alternates : Norton Commander,
 Norton Desktop for Windows, etc. V.S. helpful Amiga Utilities like AmiDock,
UtiliMaster, SID, ...
 
If only Commodore were a better company. The Jan 93 Byte provides an example
of this: It is unclear to me if the A3000T-040 they were testing or an
A3000T-040 I might buy from Commodore has the 68040 on the Motherboard or
in the CPU Slot.
 
The restriction against opening the case is another problem. (One C= didn't
always have) What good are expansion slots if I have to void my warrentee
to use them. I'm not to keen on bringing my system into my "local" dealer,
and paying him or her $30-$50 to install an interface card, which I could
otherwise install myself. Even if the dealer did not charge to install
that card, it is still a pain in the neck to bring the machine down there.  


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From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:13:47 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <C0G9p9.Ez1@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <Ray_Hines.08b9@dream.uucp> Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines) writes:
>>In a message dated Tue  5 Jan 93 13:41, Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N. Barret
>>wrote:
>>
>> BNB>    I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or
>> BNB> good productivity software available for the Amiga.
>>
>>Sigh.  Here we go again.  Marc, do yourself a favor so you don't look like 
>>a fool and buy some Euro mags.  Read them carefully.
>
>   Where do I buy them?  I can't exactly go down to the local WaldenBooks and
>buy a European Amiga magazine.  How do I go about getting one of these 
>magazines from deep in the heart of the U.S.?

You could go down to your local bookstore, and ask them to stock them, or ask
them to special order an issue.
--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re:  Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:08:00 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   A freeware equivelent of CrossDOS is available for the Macintosh.  It
>allows Mac 720K and 1.44M disks to be accessed as easily as Mac disks...

Hm, sorry to interrupt, but this sounds odd to me.  Why does the Macintosh
need a freeware package to access Mac disks?

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jpelkone@vipunen.hut.fi (Janne R M Pelkonen)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Reply-To: jpelkone@vipunen.hut.fi (Janne R M Pelkonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:50:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.160004.6332@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>: Check your disk labels;  mine say 'Graphical Environment'.  Check
>: the Microsoft manual;  mine say 'graphical environment'.   (I didn't
>: keep the box, so I can't look there)
>:
>
>Check the ads.  They say "Operating System".

	Have you ever thought that this could false/misleading advertizing?
	It is quite common, you know.

	- Janne

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From: dstuve@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David Stuve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:25:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

In article <C0K2p1.1HF@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1ikbncINN6cb@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> dstuve@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David
>Stuve) writes:
>
>   Here is what I would like to see:

[good suggestions summarized]

A word processor/database/drawing/spreadsheet/communications package?
How much would you be willing to pay for such a monster?

-David


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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Pricing
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:11:12 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: faatcrl.faa.gov

mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>>Why does the Power Up only apply to the states.
>>The Europe market is quite a big chunk for C= and yet we don't get
>>any of these offers.

>Maybe the US people need that to sell Amigas.

>>Is it C= UK just being greedy or just lazy??

>Definitely greedy as all people in capitalism.

  If the set of all capitalists are greedy then how can a Power Up program
be offered in country of capitalists?

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:16:02 GMT

papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>(Someone) writes:
>>As an owner of an A4000 who uses very nice SVGA systems at work, I can say
>>that AGA certainly does cut it.  Commodore wanted to upgrade the custom
>>chips to SVGA levels, and they have done so with AGA.  
>
>What do you define as "SVGA."  Trident SVGA is about equivalent to AGA.
>It's also about $50.00.

Any graphics with 640x480x8-bit displays or better qualifies, right?

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@spckls.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:20:18 GMT

In <1993Jan5.162612.22732@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Greg, so far this discussion has focused on what happens to a system when
>you add VM.  Why are you now talking about removing RAM chips?  Does one
>somehow imply the other?

It just makes the point clear. Having _not_enough_physical_RAM_ can't be
helped with VM other than a short term solution.

>Right, but if you try to cross over the boundaries of physical memory on
>a machine *without* VM, that machine will not only get down on its knees,
>it will get buried six feet underground.

It will simply deny the request. There isn't much a difference between:
does not function and does function very poorly for everydays work.

Regards,
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor)
Subject: Re: The Truth about Iowa.....
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 17:45:39 GMT

 I know that all of us are on the edge of our seats with regards to whether
	Iowa is better than New York (by the way - it is; no traffic, lots
	of corn-fed women, and it's really much closer to where I am going
	to get my Master's degree...).
 But, people, this has nothing to do with the Amiga - PLEASE take it elsewhere.
 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: emcoop@bnr.ca (hume smith)
Subject: Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
	<1993Jan11.194909.13115@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:15:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.194909.13115@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

   BTW, how big is 3.0?  Can it all fit on a single diskette?  I don't know why
   I'm asking this; it just seems like the AmigaDroids find it vitally important
   to run their OS from floppy diskettes.

i don't find it vitally important to do so, but it's damn nice to be able to.
i'd love to have a hard drive, i'm just either too cheap or too lazy to find
out what's a good buy.
--
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hume.smith@acadiau.ca                         I sing my little song-go
emcoop@bnr.ca                                 I see you staring at my head
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From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:22:12 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
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bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: >	25mhz '040 and costs <$90 in bulk--it'snot released, but it's been
: >	shown a number of times).
: 
: Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Advocating vaporware can get you shot.  After all,
: this chip could end up as delayed as the Toaster was.
: 
: Greg

Hah, don't you mean the PAL version of the toaster??
Even now, when reporter from mags ring up asking about a PAL version of the 
toaster, they reply.. 'coming real soon..!' Sounds as fake as 'your cheques
in the post!' ;-)

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:41:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <C0pALJ.8qF@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <C0pMHr.15C@news.udel.edu>

>>Yes, and once the 68060 IS released (probably over a year from now and
>>behind schedule), how long will it take for a stock Amiga to
>>incorporate it.  They are selling PCs that can use the Pentium already.
>
>     And the Pentium will arrive right on time.  Not.  It's already been
>delayed several times.
>     They're already selling Amigas that can use the '060 (or Pentium,
>for that matter :-)

According to the latest PC Week, Intel is only expecting to ship 100,000
P5 chips in 1993. Further, there aren't support chips that are fast
enough, so performance on the first P5 chips won't be a whole lot
better than a 486/66 (I'm only reporting whats in PC Week).

The first batch of PC's with a 586 in them will sell for $4000 to $6000
due to limited supply of the chips.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:30:27 GMT

Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
> Jarkko Lindblad (lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
> : > 
> : > Wow. So you're saying the FPU in the 040 is incomplete. And yet its
> : > still faster than a 486 at floating point.
> :
> : Not to mention it multiplies faster than 486 integer unit...:)
> 
> Jarkko, where do you get this info?  From a benchmark, maybe? :-P

486 wastes 13-26 clocks to each multiply instruction itself, 040
execute fmul in 5 clocks...

Benchwhat, I dont even know the word :-)

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
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From: pnelson@cobra.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Summary: Newsgroup suggestions for political discussion
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:50:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.news-media
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1993Jan7.202236.5308@netcom.com> damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.185129.24731@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> 
>[political discussion deleted]

I thought it an interesting subject, two good points: 

#1. The effect of the media helped Clinton overcome some obvious handicaps
(adultery, draft dodging) either one of which might have been expected to
make him un-electable. 

#2. This is not necessarily a good thing.

Will multimedia for the masses mean more or less of this? I guess if many
people make their own media reports, it will mean less of this sort of
thing, since, in my view, the above result occured because the media are
very uniform in an ideology which is not representative of the public at
large, therefore, they influenced the election by self-censoring the news
according to their peculiar ideological bias.

Presumably, if the media were less institutionalized, it would better
reflect the ideology of the people as a whole, and so would not self-
censor according to a minority perspective.

It is unclear to me how multimedia computers will, in themselves, cause
decentralized reporting. Won't the larger institutions always be able to
afford the most spectacular effects? If we presume that more and better
eye-candy is what captures the viewers attention, won't the large media
conglomerates automatically get all the viewers? If eye-candy is not what
captures viewers, then why not print newsletters, or use email?

Of course, if multimedia computers do help, they should all be AMIGAS :-).

Anyway, followups to alt.news-media (I hope "an appropriate group")




Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.tymnet.com . San Jose, CA, USA . 408-922-7508

	 When words are many, transgression is not lacking,
           but he who restrains his lips is prudent.       Proverbs 10:19
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:48:16 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1993Jan12.153703.10669@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Aw, is Greggie having another bad day?  Or does Greggie resort to to useless
>insult-mongering when his arguments run out of steam?

Silly boy.  Greggie was making a joke, you know humor, which is now
defined as:  That which eludes you.

So, Shekkie, who drove the snowplow up YOUR ass today?  Did someone
salt your intestines before you posted this?

Greg


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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: To VM or not to VM?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:58:38 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <C0Fwqu.AAM@rice.edu> abuhr@owlnet.rice.edu (Aaron M. Buhr) writes:
>     I hope this proves enlightening. :)

Incredibly.  Go out, buy GigaMem, use it.  VM has no place in a
real-time operating system.  GigaMem works, and more importantly, you
can limit it to specific tasks.

Greg


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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: To VM or not to VM?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:38:22 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <C0GnEI.Ftw@rice.edu> abuhr@owlnet.rice.edu (Aaron M. Buhr) writes:
>     My system can't find "ee.ee.uwm.edu", or I would have sent this via
>email.  Since I am not an Amigaphile, nor do I own an Amiga, I don't
>have any idea what GigaMem is.  Would you mind describing it for me?

GigaMem is a package which gives you Virtual Memory on a per-task
basis.  It's known to work well.  It's commercial.  (shrug) How much
can one say about VM?

Greg


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re:  Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:16:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.200800.25759@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   A freeware equivelent of CrossDOS is available for the Macintosh.  It
>>allows Mac 720K and 1.44M disks to be accessed as easily as Mac disks...
         ^^^
>
>Hm, sorry to interrupt, but this sounds odd to me.  Why does the Macintosh
>need a freeware package to access Mac disks?

   Everybody says that the Mac is junk!  It even needs a freeware utility to
access its own disks! :-) 

   Actually, that is called a 'typo'.  Insert 'IBM' where I highlighted 'Mac'
above.

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--------------------------------------------------------------------
"No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Exodus
Date: 4 Jan 93 06:57:45 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <kennys.32m0@terapin.com>, kennys@terapin.com (Kenny Sequeira) writes:
> Can I ask a simple question, why is it CBM's or the Amiga communities 
> fault every time a game developer drops Amiga support.  These companies 
> sight various reasons, maybe they should look inward for their lack of 
> success in the Amiga market.
> 
	[deleted]

> 
> Kenny
	
	IMO, You make some *excellent* points here.  You should send a copy of
 	this to each game producer you know.  I can think of at least one case
	from me personally that fits.  I might have bought KQ 5 if it came
	out sooner.   Since a PC gamer friend had already bought it,
	went all the way through, and showed me how it went, I lost interest
	and did not buy.

Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **