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From: sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Best bowling figures.
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:24:13 GMT

Jim Laker (Surrey and England) took 10 for 53 (1st innings)
and 9 for 37 (2nd innings) for England against Australia
at Old Trafford in August? 1956.
A month earlier, he took 10 for 88 for Surrey against
Australia (match figures?).
In a test trial in 1950 he took 8 for 2.

Henry Sewell     my opinion, not my employer's
 
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From: jnash@alfred.carleton.ca (John Nash)
Subject: Re: questions, questions!
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:06:34 GMT

In article <1ek3fdINNj59@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>
>Arrgghhh! Never dream cricket. My head's buzzing with all sorts of useless
>questions which won't let me rest:
>
>3] Which batsman has been out in a bizzare manner (including hit wicket) most
>	no. of times?
>

I don't know about the most numbers but here are a few oncers:

There's Andrew Hilditch (Aus) who picked up a ball to hand back to the
bowler and somebody (Javed Mianded, I could be wrong) appealed and he was
given out "handled ball". 

Didn't John Benaud get kicked out of a Sheffield Shield game in 1970 or so
for wearing illegal equipment (a pair of Adidas cricket shoes).  Wasn't
the illegal bit the 3 stripes?  This one could be wrong, my memory of then
is hazy.

cheers,
J.
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From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Re: The Patil Files (+ Srikkant,Siddhu)- was Re: In the defense 
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:26:32 GMT


Yes, it's funny how selective one's memory can be.   No one really disputes
Patil's talent as a batsman, it's just his overall attitude lacked something.
In comparing Patil to Srikkanth by looking at just the stats, one cannot 
get a picture of how many runs the Streak was worth as a fielder, and how 
many Patil gave away on that count.  Also, Patil had some fitness problems 
towards the end of his career.  Stats hide these unfortunate realities.  And 
that was a period when fielding, running and such aspects (that make the 
difference between being strong on paper and winning) were important in Indian 
cricket.

If one talks of getting lucky breaks and being persisted with early in their
careers, then surely even as great a batsman as the Colonel was lucky to be
persisted with after the Twin Tour (going by runs and averages, that is.
Almost everyone was calling him a find and a good prospect but he
didn't quite have the runs.  At least not till '79).  Or Vishy between
his debut series in '69 and his superb performance against WI in '74-75.
A few fifties at the most.

About the current tour.  In his India Today interview, Azza said that if
the batting clicks, then India would do well.  Quite rightly, he was worried 
about the fragility of the batting.  And he said Kumble could be the "bomb
in the basement".   On Saturday, I picked up the London Times to read about
Wessels' ton and Jimmy Cook's first ball duck.   The writer (Streeton?)
wrote that the Indians bowled steadily throughout on an unhelpful wicket.
Kumble (2/42 runs off 25 overs) had the batsmen guessing all the time --
the writer said he was unrecognisable from the inexperienced cricketer
England saw a couple of years ago.  But the "Kumble fumble" is funny.  He
is supposed to be a terrible fielder -- Tiger Pataudi called him a disgrace
in an outspoken interview before the World Cup.

Regards,
Sanjiva
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From: x91kamalapur@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Live telecast of SA vs India?
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:10:52 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


    Telecast of SA Vs India Oneday matches.
--------------------------------------------------

Can some one give me the information regarding the live telecast of the
SA vs india matches in USA.If so how can I access the same.
I am in Kalamazoo ,Michigan.
Hope india wins the first test against SA (am I dreaming)

Thanx in advance,
have a good Cricket season.

Bye,
Raj.
From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: RE:BEST BOWLING IN TESTS
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:57:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

In article <92326.151751U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>Hirwani didn't take 19 wickets.
>In fact he got only 16 wickets but was the best ever bowling debut
>beating Bob Massies 8-100+, by allowing a few runs less.

massie: 16-137 (8-84 and 8-53)
hirwani: 16-136 (8-61 & 8-75)

Stay cool,
Sunil.

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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: WI v NSW (day 3) after lunch
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:17:26 GMT

In <9232714.23085@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> I said...

| Today, WI all out 183 (Hooper 81*)

A few more details

Simmonds	30
Logie		 5
Adams		 7
Williams	 9
Ambrose		 ?
Cummins		 0
Walsh		 5
Patterson	 0
Hooper		81* (93 balls).

Last wicket partnership was 37, all scored by Hooper.

Freedman 3/26 (spin on a turning pitch) Matthews 2, Alley 2, Holdsworth 2,
and Whitney 1.

- and following on, 1/41,

Last I heard 1/62, Simmonds 41* Richardson 15* (Lara 3).

kre
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: questions, questions!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:30:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Arrgghhh! Never dream cricket. My head's buzzing with all sorts of useless
questions which won't let me rest:

1] Which bowler has got the lowest bowling average (I seem to vaguely 
	remember a guy in early 20s(?) called Lohmann(sp?) performing
	wonderful feats like 7 for 8 and some such magic.

2] Who's the laziest bum runner :) betn wickets in the sense of getting himself
	run out most no. of times? Any statistics on how many times it was a
	Brutus act by the other batsman (I think Mushtaq did it once against
	India. Don't rem. the victim )?

3] Which batsman has been out in a bizzare manner (including hit wicket) most
	no. of times?

4] If a match was being played with a ball made in Ulhasnagar in Bombay
	(sure to be defective :) and a batsman slashedit with such a force that
	it broke into two, one going into the pavilions and the other in the
	hands of a fielder, will it be a dead ball or what?

5] *In first class cricket*, how many times has a score of less than 50 been
	achieved(!) by a team? (I rem. reading somewhere that there were a
	couple of scores less than 10 :):).... And before someone jumps,
	this is *First class* and not tests only so don't flame with the NZ
	26.

6] Bowling trivias:

	a] Record for the stump being blown off the farthest distance by a 
	   quickie in first class cricket? 
	b] All instances of 10 wickets by a bowler in an innings in first 
	   class cricket?

	You could also try to give the slowest bowler (Bedi? :), greatest
	no-baller (Thomson?), most thrashed bowler, etc. Anything to cure my
	insomnia :)
From: duck@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Ducklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SA vs India Full Score Card (LONG)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 12:09:32 +0200
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Thus spake fkhan@daisy.ee.und.ac.ZA (Feroz Khan):
>        This day also saw the historical debut of the third umpire and his
>        electronic eye in the decision to give Sachin Tendulkar out.
>        Aside: Whether this is good or not, I'm not sure due to the element
>               of doubt which has always gone to the batsmen, with this
>               innovation the batsmen loses the advantage.

   [...and...]

>6. Sachin Tendulkar became the first player in test history to be adjudged
>   out by the third umpire (Karl Liebenberg) with the aid of television
>   after umpire Cyril Mitchley was unsighted. All the above - from the time
>   that the question was posed to the third umpire and up to the time
>   Tendulkar got the GREEN light to walk - took place in 34 seconds.

Business pressure [ie: need to work over the weekend] forced me to take
only passing notice of the test, alas. 

Could you post more info on the "electronic eye" business -- is this 
experimental, or has the ICC decided permanently that TV is to be legal 
in assisting umpires? 

It worries me. Certainly, umpires are getting judged [and blamed and crapped
upon] on the basis of TV replays, so I can see some logic behind the ICC
wanting to allow umpires to make their own *positive* use of a medium which
is often used *against* them. However, my experience of umpiring and of 
watching TV suggests to me that PAL TV, at 25Hz, just doesn't seem to produce
enough data to decide on things like catches at the wicket. I've often
watched replays where commentators have said things like "look at that; a wild
stroke, but a correct decision -- he didn't get anywhere near it", whilst
the slowmo *I* saw showed two successive frames with the ball approaching
first and leaving it on the second. In other words, no frame showing the
actual behaviour of the ball near the bat. 

Or do they use HDTV stuff for the electronic eye? I hope so, because PAL-
quality images are, IMHO, *not* good enough to see clearly what actually
happened. And, after all, "if in doubt, not out". Mind you, I'm prejudiced.
In the lowly league in which I get to play, one never walks -- on the 
grounds that you're just as likely to be given out next ball, shoulder 
before wicket [this is a league in which many "umpires" disallow byes run
if no shot if offered to the ball -- even if that ball was a wide :-)].

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From: SHARIQ@charlie.usd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: India Team
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:19:07 GMT
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The opinion about the extra batsman holds ground especially on wickets helpful
to bowlers, because it enables the bowlers to bowl more rather than being part
of a rotation and taking that manyovers to get their rhythm right.Furthermore,
since the wicket is helpful the possiblity of over-exertion is reduced. Using
lesser bowlers may be crucial because scoring of runs has to be curbed and 
here becomes important the fact that overs should not be spent in letting
bowlers getting their rhythm. However,on a docile wicket more bowlers need to
be included in the side to make things happen, and batsmen have to put their 
head down in the realization that they have got to do their job.
The observation about Raman is very correct indeed. He seems to be to sluggish
and really vulnerable around the off-stump much like Gower.I saw Jadeja play
in the Under 19 series against Pakistan, and ofcourse in the World Cup and he 
immediately made an impression with his composure and technique,and the way he
handled Waqar. However,he should not be played as opener because he is a good 
man to take on the likes of Donald returning for their second or third spell. 
The second openers slot should go to Siddhu,if he is in the team, or Kambli,
also if he is on the team.I doubt it if Manjrekar will be successful in South
Africa because his half-cock technique is not suited for SA pitches, and his 
main problem would not be facing Donald, but rather Pringle and other SA 
seamers. However, he has the temperament to succed, and he might came out 
successful in this tour.Tendulkar, I think will do rather well and if someone 
takes Donald apart,it will be him. Of late he is not in good nick, but by the 
end of the series he will have resurfaced.Jadeja shold play in Amre's position
in the lineup, and Amre shold be dropped. Chetan's inculsion into the side has
long been overdue. However,I don't know why he was out of the team in the 
first place.I think he will establish himself at the end of the tour. More, 
Srinath, Kapil and Kumble should be the the other team members.Raju should not
be selected on present form and because he is finger spinner and not a wrist
spinner. The reason is that on SA pitches a wrist spinner is likely to do 
better than a finger spinner.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
As you can see I wrote this up before the start of the series, but did not have
the time to post it up.
 
Shariq
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From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Subject: Re: Austrlian/Tasmanian News
Organization: James Cook University
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:09:04 GMT

In <11072@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming) writes:
>I remember a day at the Gabba, not that long ago, Brendan and I and a couple
>of others were watch Qld thrash Tasmania as usual, when I said to Brendan,
>I bet you Friendless makes a duck, and sure enough he did. I think he wanted
>to get onto the Hill and start drinking.

  I wasn't ready! Sarge yelled out "'ave a go ya mug!" just before the first
ball was bowled, and I turned to give him the finger, and McDermott took out
my off stump. I was not pleased! But I suppose I must come clean... my general
incompetence is because I am actually playing for Queensland. I promise to not
do very well in future games against Queensland, and I will ensure that
Tasmania does not win the Shield before Queensland does!


Michael Farrell, anywhere batsman, spin bowler.
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA v Ind at 11:20 GMT
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:11:45 -0600
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India v SA T1 D5

     SA in their second innings are 80 for 1. Cook was out caught and bowled by
Kumble for 43.


WI v Australian XI - drawn

   On the fourth day, Australians declared their innings at 293 for 4 shortly
after lunch, setting WI to score 253 in 52 overs. Waugh made 100 not out and
Lehman wad 43 not out. In reply WI finished at 5 for 213. Simmons 8, Richardson
32, Haynes 79 and Aurthurton 46 were the main scorers. Aurthurton's 46 included
ten boundaries.
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Ind v SAI and WI v NSW
Date: 23 Nov 1992 07:07:01 -0600
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Ind v SAI Day 4 tea

      Just before tea, India declared their second innings at 312 for 8, opting
for batting practice.  Today, Manjrekar and Chetan Sharma had a 48 partnership
with Sharma scoring 18 runs. Manjrekar was left not out with 102. SAI needs to
score 344 runs in 49 overs.

WI v NSW

      WI finally managed to draw their match with an excellent batting
performance. Apart from Simmonds' century and Richardson's 75 yesterday, today
saw Carl Hooper's 125 and Gus Logie's 99 (he was run out). WI declared their
innings for 507 for 9. NSW scored 34 for 1 at stumps.

    I have received the frequencies for RA broadcasts of ball-by-ball
commentaries (thanks to Rakesh Saharma from Melbourne). I will be posting them
later. This time there are frequencies which will be audible in USA for the
day/night games very clearly.


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From: VGC@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Venu Gopal Chalamgari)
Subject: ANALYSIS OF INDIAN BATSMEN
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:17:00 GMT
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HI GUYS,
       I HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS TO SAY ABOUT THE INDIAN BATSMEN
RAVI SHASTRI-  I DONT KNOW WHY HE IS STILL IN THE INDIAN TEAM, HE HAS NEITHER
A GOOD SCORE NOR A GOOD BOWLING PERFORMANCE IN THE RECENT PAST TO JUSTIFY
HIS PRESENCE IN THE TEAM, IF IAM NOT EXAGERATING YOU BOWL 12 CONSECTIVE
OUT SWINGERS OR JUST OUT SIDE THE OFFSTUMP DELIVERIES IAM SURE YOU CAN
 HAVE HIM CAUGHT BEHIND THE WICKETS

AJAY JADEJA- HE IS A GOOD BATSMEN, WITH A LOT OF GUTSY STUFF IN HIM ,HE        
NEEDS STILL MORE EXPOSURE TO GET INTO THAT NO1 SLOT, HE NEEDS SOME TIPS
ABOUT HIS TEMPERMANT

MANJREKAR-HE IS THE BATSMEN THE INDIAN LINE UP NEEDS NOW, HE IS ABSOLUTELY
FLAWLESS IN HIS TECHNIQUE AND CONSISTENCY, BUT HE NEEDS TO BE CAUTIOS EARLY
ON IN HIS INNINGS

TENDULKAR- HE IS SURELY THE BATSMEN OF THE FUTURE, HE IS REALLY THE ONE
WHO IS ATTRACTING WORLD ATTRACTION TO THE INDIAN BATTING, HE IS A REAL CLASSY
PLAYER,THE ONLY AREA I THINK IN WHICH HE STILL HAS TO LEARN IS BUILDING AN
INNINGS AND PROBABLY SUNNY IS THE BEST GUY TO HELP HIM

AZHAR- HE IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF WHAT SHEER TALENT IS, HE HAS THAT MAGIC
TOUCH NO ONE ELSE HAS EXCEPT FOR VIV RICHARDS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BATSMEN
JUST COMING TO THE WICKETS AND HITTING TWO GOOD LENGTH DELIVERIES FROM IMRAN
THROUGH THE EXTRA COVERS WITH SUCH A TIMING, BUT THIS GUY LACKS CONSISTENCY
AND HE SHOULD NOT THROW AWAY HIS WICKET EASILY

KAPIL- I DONT KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE KAPIL HE SHOWS TOO MUCH CAUTION IN SOME
OF HIS INNINGS AND HIS RASH IN SOME OTHERS WHAT HE NEEDS IS TO MAKE UP HIS
MIND AND SLOG ONLY THOSE DELIVERIES WHICH SHOULD BE SLOGGED            

AMRE- HE IS A REAL FIGHTER THE OTHER INDIAN BATSMEN SHOULD LEARN FROM HIM
 ABOUT THE VALUE OF THEIR WICKETS HE SHOULD NEVER BE DROPPED FROM THE
PRESENT INDIAN TEAM IN ITS PRESENT CONTEXT ALTHOUGH HE LACKS HE IS WORTH
MORE THAN THE OTHERS        NGR
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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Stats: Imran Khan vs. Karsan Ghavri (up to 1978)
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:50:32 GMT
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C. S. Sudarshana bhat (B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU) wrote:

> Since Murali was wondering how Imran fared chronologically, [...]

>            Karsan Ghavri    Imran Khan
                 ^^^^^^

!!!!!

:-)

'Nuff said..
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From: pdy@sun.soe.clarkson.edu ( Yapa,,,)
Subject: Re: NZ in SL story -continued
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:27:08 GMT

From article <BxuEI0.Bs7@ns1.nodak.edu>, by ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu:
> New Zealand Board of Cricket has decided unanimously that the tour of Sri Lanka
> should proceed as scheduled. Its President McDermott is flying to Colombo to
> talk to the players. He will also hold talks with the British and Australian
> High Commissioners and others to assess the security situation. After
> appraising the players of the situation, a decision will be made within forty
> eight hours - if the tour proceeds, any player who wants to go home will be
> released. Most of the players seem to be shook up as they did witness the bomb
> blast and the death of five persons.
> 
> 
> K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
I think that NZ did the right thing by continuing the tour. And I hope
they will not reverse the decision. 

SL has been a security risk for 10 years now. Overall the security now
is better than in the late 80's.  When NZ agreed to tour SL they were aware
of the slight security risk.  If you look objectively the risks have
not worsened or improved because of the most recent attack.
Australia toured SL this year. They were aware of the problems.

Here are some facts:
The bomb attack in Colombo is the third major one in 3 years.

Last year: a Bomb exposion killed a top minister and with 30 others.
Last year: another Bomb occured in the military HQ and  killed more than
           60 people.
both of those happened in central Colombo areas and was quite unexpected.

There will be a top trade show iin Colombo starting in 2 days time.
2500 foreign businessman are expected.

Although I can understand the scare the NZ cricketers got ( the incident 
apparently happened right in front of Taj Samudra where they were staying-
and the bomb has rocked the hotel while the criketers were having breakfast.
), the risk has not increased because of this explosion.
the risk was there when they arrived  and I don't think it has increased.

Yapa
From: msains@ibis.ru.ac.za (Malcolm Sainsbury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA vs India Day 4
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:34:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ibis.msains.27.721946066
Organization: BIS Department, Rhodes University

Day 4 completely rained out
At around lunch time the rain stopped for a while then bad light
held them up till more rain killed the rest of the day.

Weather forecast is for more rain on day 5.  Seems like the first
test is to be a draw.

I can't believe that Amre is only making his test debut now.  That
was an innings of great character and a privilege for us to see.
In some ways similar to Kepler Wessels' innings in the SA 1st knock
but in its own right also different.  Both were disciplined and 
watchful, both came in with their team in great trouble, both were
not afraid to get onto the bad ball and keep the pressure somewhat
at bay.  Amre had to deal with some very hostile bowling and Wessels
with the guile, skill and experience of Kapil Dev & co.

Fascinating stuff.  I look forward to the next test with enthusiasm.
I hope you guys in India (& elsewhere) get to see more than just the
highlights on your TV.  The individual battles between bat & ball have
been quite riveting and (for instance) the fielding of Jonty Rhodes
has also been one of the features of cricket of the highest quality.

Regards

Malcolm


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From: ajaising@cs.ulowell.edu (Anil Jaising)
Subject: Home address needed
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
                       Thanks in advance
                       Anil Jaising
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:16:52 GMT
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 199, 299, 499 !
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:18:01 GMT

OK... here's a teriffic trivia question:

What is the *lowest* score that has *never* been scored in a Test match for
a completed innings?

If you're having trouble understanding what I mean, consider this.  All the
scores from 0 to 100 have been scored at some time by a batsmen in a Test
Match.  Keep going up... 101 has been scored, 102 has been scored...  what's
the first you come to that *hasn't* ever been scored?

What about for a not out?

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