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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Cast members
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:13:39 GMT

Fran Litterio writes:
>
> Adam (the character) is unlike anything I've ever seen before.  I love how
>his entrances are sometimes just shots of his dirty bare feet stepping
>into the frame.  One of the last shows of last season implied he
>worked for some intelligence agency.  Can we believe this, or is it
>another Adam super-lie?

Of course we can believe this, how else did he know about Joel and Maggie
in the hotel suite?

Rob U
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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:44:46 -0500
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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In article <laq0t5INNn4h@notrees.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>"Women want it both ways"?  *Maggie* clearly did, which as far as
>I'm concerned simply makes her an uninteresting character.
>
>[...]
>
>I think it's a shame the writers had to destroy what up to that
>point had been a perfectly good character.

I don't get it.  It sounds like you're saying that because Maggie is
not perfect, because she probably needs to do some thinking about
sex/relationships/etc, you think that means she's a lousy character?

Shows or books where everyone is perfect are much less interesting to me.
Especially when everyone acts PC.

A related issue is the people who complain about Chris's cow fling.
I thought it was an awful thing for Chris to want to do -- but it was
an excellent episode (aren't they all :-), and the idea of complaining
to the scriptwriters is ludicrous.  I don't understand why people
insist on the characters always doing the right thing!  They're supposed
to be Real People, and real people are guaranteed to do things you
disagree with sometimes.

My 2 cents on Joel/Maggie is: they might have originally been intended
to be the focus, but all the characters are strong enough that the show
would be good without either of them or after they've had sex or gotten
married or whatever.  Seems to me that the episode with Holling & Maurice
burying their old friend didn't have Joel or Maggie in it at all (correct
me if I'm wrong) and it was several people's fave.  (I'm unable to
name a fave episode myself... impossible to choose from so many good ones.)

R
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From: bates@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Bates)
Subject: Re: "Cicely" and the Future
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.124255.1793@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker) writes:
>    At the end, when Joel is sitting in the Brick hearing the sounds of 
>that far away year, his last thought is what Ned said, something like
>"One person can make a difference, but two people..., well two people can
>change the world".  Who are the two people?  I could understand if Ned
>had said that "One person could change the world"; it would be easy to see
>that person as being Joel.  But Ned specifies 2 people.  Is he speaking
>figuratively here?  Like he meant that any more than one can change the 
>world, meaning everyone in Cicely?  I couldn't help but think that there is
>more to that than it seems, and being the last image from this season makes
>it even more significant.

    Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but could he have been referring to
Cicely and Roslyn?  As for a direct comparison to modern-day Cicely, I
don't believe it refers to any two people in particular.  


	Andy Bates.


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From: wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Murphy)
Subject: Doc Hollywood and NEXP 
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:17:45 GMT

>Has anyone heard about a connection between "Doc Hollywood" and NEXP?
>Someone tried to convince me that "D.H." was supposed to be the basis
>for NEXP... anyone else hear this connection?


I thought the same thing - They both seem very similar - but they came out so
close together i don't thik it was possible that they were fed off of each 
other.  If anything I think the movie came off of the TV series that was 
mentioed a few postings back...
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Cast members
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:34:45 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep10.063849.13165@ssc.wa.com>, tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook) 

> Don't remember much, except she loves doing the show and loves
> the northwest.  She said she just bought a house in Seattle.  She
> also said that she just did a movie in Italy and that a lot of
> American tourists recognized her from the show.

Believe it or not, it's with Sylvester Stalone!  The name of the film
is _Cliffhanger_, and Sly plays a ranger trying to rescue some people
(including Maggie) :^) who are being held captive by terrorists at the 
top of a mountain.  There is a very sexy picture of Turner in Premiere 
magazine, with a blurb about the movie. 

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
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Subject: Re: Season premier
From: vcurley@zeus.calpoly.edu (Vince Curley)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:20:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <BuL313.6C9@scd.hp.com> dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:
>When is the season premier?
>

Two weeks from today.  14.Sep + 2weeks = 28.Sep! (Happy happy...oops
wrong show.)

-- 
   Vince  "Windows, Windows, Windows"  Curley
   vcurley@demeter.calpoly.edu CIS:71055,3423
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:18:41 GMT
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>too, and I came up with two ways that I thought would work:

Well, my thoughts were:

3) They both, unknown to each other, replaced the bullets with
   blanks, so as to not accidently hurt the other (although I
   don't think Maurice would have cared either way).
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - This program was initially an exercise to learn VMS...
    (paraphrased from VMS mail source code)
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From: neale@cc1.unt.edu (Eriq Oliver Neale, ACS)
Subject: Re: etc.
Organization: Computing Center, UNT
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:05:26 GMT

I apologize apologize apologize in advance for this, but as a dedicated 
fan. . .  ;)

>4. For the person that asked about They Might Be Giants: the album you are
>missing is Lincoln, which was the first one. TMBG had one video that was on
>VH1--anyone know what song it was? Also, if any of you are TMBG fans and
>are in driving distance of Boston, they're playing at the Hatch Shell Sunday 
>night at eight. It's free. Go see 'em, they're awesome.
>			Rosaleen Dhu
>p.s. How could I forget? I think TMBG also had an album called simply "They
>Might Be Giants", but don't quote me on that one.

Got to make a couple of corrections here, sorry. The first TMBG album was 
untitled when originally released, but a repressing of it carries the title 
ESD. All 5 TMBG albums are now available on CD, and they are: ESD, Lincoln, 
Flood, Miscellaneous T, and Apollo 18 (in chronogolical order). I've only 
seen them on Letterman, but am waiting til they come back to Dallas so I can 
schedule time off to go see.

Now back to your regularly scheduled newsgroup. . .

-Eriq

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From: velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener)
Subject: NE Relationships
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.072444.11719@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:

>Any takers for the 'what's your favorite relationship' question?
>
>Elizabeth

Chris and Bernard for me.  Not only does it fit in with the general goofiness
and somewhat surrealism of the show itself, but it (dare I use this
catchphrase?) sends a message (urk!) about racial harmony, without having to
hit the audience over the head with it, or resorting to hippie-style "He's my
brother" type stuff (not that there's anything wrong with hippies).  I love
that their minds work in exactly the same way, and that they were slightly
off-base in the episode where Chris becomes aph.. aph.. can't talk right.  :) 
And that they bop their heads and tap their feet in synch.  Shall I go on?  I
can't wait for Bernard to come back from Siberia or wherever he was going with
new stories...


"Are your synapses not firing?"

Michelle

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From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Keywords: Cicily and Rosalyn
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:57:45 GMT

treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly) writes:

>Earlier today, someone mentioned the cicly and Rosalyn episode as their
>favorite.  People I have talked to tended to either like it or hate it,
>and I noticed an interesting correlation:  The ones who liked it saw the
>film "Fried Green Tomatoes," and the ones who did not see the film did not
>like the episode.


I have never seen FGT, but I enjoyed this episode alot.

I liked the insight the show gave on the history of the town, and how
it allowed the viewers to maybe understand a little better how the town
of Cicily actually developed.  To me that is a sign that the writers
know the viewers are beginning to care about the town and the people, 
and are trying to broaden the viewers understanding of this little town.

This episode also gave me my favorite quote from the series so far, 
which I have now (thanks to this group) remembered to include in my
.sig.  

Guess maybe it is the sentimental fool in me, but this episode probably
touched me more than any other, though I am still having a difficult
time coming up with an overall favorite.  Guess I just like them all  :-)

matt
-- 
"One person can have a profound effect on another,     matt@ms.uky.edu
 but two people...two people can work miracles."       mwmcco00@ukpr.uky.edu
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From: mccla_d@osric.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: Bering Bridge
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:48:08 GMT

Rather than continue replying individually via e-mail, I'll post this
publically.

If you're interested in hearing about the Alaska-Siberia ferry service, you
can e-mail the guy who had a big part in starting it. Write to:
rr.joe1@aol.com

Either that, or you can call him by getting the number for the Nome Public 
Library from directory assistance. Just ask for Joe.
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
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Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:35:12
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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In-reply-to: franl@centerline.com's message of 11 Sep 92 14:00:02

franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:

> recall the shave, haircut, and all-American attitude he got
> for election day (even though he couldn't vote due to being a fugitive
> from justice).

I stand corrected.  Chris did time but is not currently being sought
by the police.  He is not a fugitive.

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From: bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena)
Subject: Think about it...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:33:00 GMT

Here is something for you to chew on....

Ed and..........Shelly!

Whatcha think?  I think it could work.

Sitting here waiting for new epsidoes...
Alena 
___________________________________
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 they want it all the time.....   l
 they want it anywhere.....       l
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From: hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris, Joel, whoever
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:53:48 GMT

In article <10SEP199209454367@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>If Rob Morrow doesn't get his contract situation straightened out, Joel may
>become the sixth victim of the Curse of Maggie O'Connell.  Can anyone think
>of a clever way for the next victim to die?  It would be very hard to top
>death by falling satellite.

I thought that Morrow's contract was finalized some number of weeks ago
and that everyone in the cast was now in the current run of
shooting new episodes for the upcoming year.

-- 
Henry Lee   <hlee@unixg.ubc.ca>
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:07:01 GMT


Everyone is on the the Fried Green Tomatoes connection, but I haven't
seen a reference to the movie that the Russian visitor bit is 
swiped from. (Forgive me if this has been done; my server just
picked up this group). Anyone seen Local Hero? 

Ken B. 

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From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:45:00 GMT

It would be a mistake if Joel and Maggie ever did sleep together.  I think
their love/hate relationship is what makes the show work.

Kent Leverich
WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
From: biediger@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . Biediger)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: replies
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep10.235417.2456@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>First of all:yeh, Chris is a pain in the proverbial posterior. But isn't that

 Chris, a pain?  No way!

>sort of the point? It is so ludicrous to find someone like him--who might
>be better employed as a Ben & Jerry's poster child, or maybe one of those

 I doubt he would go for that...   with the commercialism, etc.  even
 though the company's philosophy would probably be to his liking.

>guys who follows the Dead on their upcoming tour of class "M" planets--in
>a town like Cicely. His brother Bernard is really, really cool. I also like
>what happens when other people take over the station for some reason--it's
>just interesting.

 His brother plays an interesting character.  I liked the episode when
 they went to Africa.

>Secondly: I, being not far out of kidhood myself (half-past eighteen) but
>nonetheless fond of little ones, have often mourned the absence of kids on
>NX. I think that the people who run the show are probably yuppies who do
>not want nasty little children messing up their nice clean studio. It would
>
 I've never considered myself a yuppie although I'm _extremely_ pleased
 with the lack of "nasty little children".  The episodes that did have
 a kid somewhere in it did not portray what the vast majority of them
 are like.  The few that appeared on NX are the exception, not the rule.
 Noise with dirt is the rule.

>be interesting, though--there are so many possibilities for character
>development in the ways that they would relate to kids. (Shelly, Ed and
>Maggie come to mind.) However, I think that even hoping that Adam and Eve's
>offspring will appear on the show, is a mistake. The sad fact, friends, is
>that unwashed, surly, juvenile hypochondriacs are a. all too common and
>b. just not funny. Having been a camp counelor, I _know_ what I'm talking
>about.

 Fortunately, I've never had the displeasure of being a camp counselor.
 I do agree with you that "unwashed, surly, juvenile hypochondriacs are
 all too common".

>			Rosaleen Dhu
>hope my sig. worked!
>
>			]
>	Freshman Music Major at Brandeis University.
>	Absolutely Nothing To Do With Computers, Just A Fan
>	@-'-,-'-, ;)
>	"It's difficult to work in groups when you're omnipotent."

  As you can see it did.  ;-)

  David

  still no .sig so how about this little typed in ditty:

  EE grad student at The University of Texas at San Antonio.
  B.S. EE from UTSA
  Involved with all types of computers from 386s to SPARCstations
  to UNIX servers, and also a Fan.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:55:13 EDT
From: <JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Newbie cause German Questions

In article <michaelp.716224211@strange>,
michaelp@strange.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Portz) says:
>
>Hi all,
>
>this newsgroup is new at our site, as is Northern Exposure
>in German TV. So I would greatly appreciate a FAQ in this
>newsgroup....

I don't have a FAQ but I have an observation:  I think NEXP gets
better with age.  I could barely watch the first episode because Joel
was unbelievably angry at everyone, regardless of whether they were
trying to help him or trying to make him stay.  His behavior was infantile
and inexcusable (although I'm told by a friend at Columbia that this is,
in fact, a correct representation of a New York Columbia graduate...[ :> ]).

Now, my wife and I tape every new episode.  It's the only show we watch
with the exception of an occassional Seinfeld.  I admit I didn't care
for the "Cicely" episode on first viewing but on reflection I think it's
one of the best they've done.  What a great long camera pan of Joel at
the end of the show - you won't see that on "Fresh Prince!"  And, of course,
Adam & Eve's wedding was priceless.

So, stick with it.  It gets better and better and....

Jeff Luck                                   *Standard Disclaimer*
CES Systems Office
Penn State University                 "Whatever you guys want, I'm for."
JFL4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                       -Dan Quayle to Ohio Farmers, 1988
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From: gaylin@bacall.ipac.caltech.edu (Gaylin Laughlin)
Subject: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Organization: Caltech
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:15:07 GMT

Just wanted to make one comment--
Several posters out there have mentioned something to the effect of 
 "Since we've seen 2.5 seasons of NEXP, Joel will be leaving
 in 1.5"
(Again, I'm not quoting here, just summarizing)
Well, I remember an episode in past season, Joel explicitly states 
that he'd been in Cicely a certain length of time, not even a full
year, as I recall.  So please don't go believing that one season's 
worth of episodes equals one year in time in Cicely!  (I'd hate to
rush the demise of ANY of the characters on the show)

Gaylin Laughlin
gaylin@ipac.caltech.edu


PS--Love this newsgroup!!!
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
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Subject: Re: Best Relationships/Characters/Episodes
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:28:25
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In-reply-to: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu's message of 10 Sep 1992 19:37:50 GMT

dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:

> Maybe, Joel will decide to stay in Cicely, as he finds that having 
> a happy life is worth more than fame and money.

I predict that this will be the big cliffhanger between this season
and the next, not the Joel/Maggie thing.  Instead of "Who shot J.R.?"
it'll be "Will Joel leave or stay?".
--
franl@centerline.com   || Fran Litterio                               
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From: perry@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: I had a dream...
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:11:49 GMT

	I had a dream once.  I was in Cicely, Al.  I had
driven there in my car ('77 ToyotaLandCruiser), which had
preceded to have problems.  I had to spend the afternoon in
the town, where I had found out Ed had died.  Everyone including
me were very sad.  Also, John Anderson (the original Gomez Adams
in the t.v. show, Adams Family) was in the dream as Cicely's 
resident used car salesman.  He kept bugging me to sell my
Land Cruier in for an old V.W. camperbus.  I didn't want to.
My car got fixed, I left town, and woke up.  Go figure...
- BPG

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From: sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
Subject: Re: We need an FAQ!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:07:18 GMT
Reply-To: sharonc@meaddata.com
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep10.160924.11902@meaddata.com>, sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton) writes:
|> So is it the concensus of the group that we need a Frequently Asked
|> Questions list for this group? One that contains the wisdom of the
|> ages, like that Miriam Makeba is probably the person who did the
|> "Toy Cows In Africa" song, and character histories, and lots of
|> scoop on Our Favorite Show. I'm willing to try to put one together,
|> but I may have to hand it off to someone else in the future
|> (especially someone who may have contacts in The Industry).

Concensus from the people who have emailed to me is that an FAQ would
be welcomed, and that how gracious of me to volunteer ;-) I've started
gathering information, and will work on it this weekend - hopefully
I will have the first version out sometime early next week and I'll be
looking for any and all suggestions, hints, tips, new info, corrections,
etc. anyone cares to give.

Early begging: Does anyone have a list of character histories?

Sharon "My greatest ambition in life has been to be a keeper of
an FAQ" Crichton

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