From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: antisemitism in action
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:01:43 GMT

In article <4605@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.172732.28906@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu
>(Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>
>( Gideon Ehrlich):
>>>A typical anti-Semite propaganda., based on hatered only.
>>
>(David Turner):
>>I do not see where the anti-semitic propaganda is.

As it is shown above, on the attributions, I was the one who said that.
Just to clarify.


>
>You David, ignored the fact that each of the strangers was killed
>while they attact Jews with knives, breaks, axes and guns, or when
>they were among a mub doing that.

Are you sure you two are talking about the same incident?

>
>>>>David Turner
>>>>(A British Jew who does NOT support Israel)
>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>"Just a racist may say that just a gentile may be an anti-Semite "
>>>                                                            M.Y. Self
>>>
>>
>>Being a Jew who does not support Israel is not being an anti-semite or a
>>racist.
>>I resent that quotation.    AAP
>
>When a Jew find the need to declare that he is loiyal to the country
>he lieved at , and that he is not loyal to the Jewish state , he
>proves himself to be a SHVANZ.

I have no idea what shvanz means.
Anyway, do you mean: the country "leved at", or the country were he was 
born?
There is no reason why a Jew must be loyal to Israel.
There is no reason why a person, of any race, religion or ethnic background
must be loyal to any country at all.
A person does not choose to be born Jewish, so, there is no reason why
that person has to follow the rules others have made for him.


> I am sure that british gentiles reading his declaration consider
>him to be a SHVANZ as well.
>A person who does not hate his national origion will never write such
>a shvanzic decxlaration. J.F. Kenedy was of an Irish origion, he never
>defined himself as "An American Irish who does NOT support Ireland"
>morever he even visited Ireland to demonstrate his connection to his
>origion.

Great for Kennedy. However, the Israel that is there now is not the same
Israel my family had to leave several hundred years ago. So, my origins
are not in "today's" Israel more than they are in today's Hungary.
The peron who wrote above did not make any hateful declaration. He never
said that he hates Israel or something like thta. He said that he does not
support Israel. I understand that some religious people do not support 
Israel either.
Now, after a few thousand years of diaspora, one cannot say that one's national
origin is represented by Israel. My family went through several continents and
countries. Some of us are here, some in Europe, some in South America, some
in Israel, some in Asia. We are all members of the same family. However,
after so much motion, our national origin is diverse and far more complex
than "just being Jewish". Our culture is different, our education is 
different, our lives are different.
So, our national origins are not restricted to todas's Israel, but to
other places as well, because we are a mixture of cultures.
Besides, what Kennedy said or did not say is not a law we should all follow. 



>Shalom    Gideon Ehrlich     A Jew who does support the Jewish state
>

Chau,

AAP



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