HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:18:40 GMT

bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:

>   The history of Polish anti-semitism is historical fact.  There
>is so much documentation of this that to dispute this would be an
>intellectual analogue to denying the Holocaust.
>   But even more interesting than this is the effort to modify or
>erase this aspect of Polish historical fact.A fine book by Lucy
>Dawidowicz, entitled "The Holocaust and the Historians," examines
>this issue in a chapter called "Polish Historical Revisionism."
>   The book is published by Harvard University Press.  The book's
>ISBN is 0-674-40567-6.
>-- 
>   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
>may not be both."
>                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel

And I must add that the effort to modify certain other aspects of
polish history is no less interesting.


MB
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Don't jump through windows' panes
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:36:48 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish,world
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

Binyamin Ilan ( "a tree") is a farmer at moshav  Tekuma (was
a part of the Negev desert - Eretz Yisrael) . On Friday morning last
week shortly after midnight he awaked either because of Naman Al-Aidi
("Holliday") a 24 years old Arab  who was seating on him or because
the knife that Arab pushed in to Ilan's hand.
Ilan objected Al-Aidi behavioure, but the Arab stubbed him several
more times before Ilan through him away. Ilan took his pistol , put
the magazine into it but too much time was spent and the Arab was
several meters away. There was no light in the house and Ilan was
afraid he may shoot his twins that may be out of their room.
The Arab jumped out through the window's pane.
He run to a nearby other Jewish farm moshav-Sharsheret, where the
police easily identified him because of the many cuts he got while
jumping through the winddow's pane.

Conclusion: never jump through window's panes. It works perfect at
Hollywood , but they use a special plastic windows-panes not the
regular ones made of glass.

Shalom    ketiva     vahatima tova              Gideon
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Religious question
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:05:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <91035@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <1a+pbj+.solovay@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>>  Are there any differences in the writings contained in the Old
>>>Testament and the Jewish Scriptures?
>
>>There is no difference between the Protestant books of the "Old
>>Testament" and the Jewish Bible, except the way the books are
>>arranged.
>
>Even this is significant.  Tanakh ends with I & II Chronicles--it's a
>completed history on its own.  The OT, in contrast, ends with a minor
>prophet's messianic visions, providing an artificial segue into the NT.

There are also small chapter and verse differences.  Chapter and
verse numbering is relatively recent to Judaism, and many Jews are
much worse than many Protestants at being able to reel off chapter
and verse numbering. If the verse is from the Torah (5 books of
Moses) Jews are often much more fluent with which weekly portion the
phrase is in, and not the specific chapter/verse.   But
chapter/verse numbering is convenient for quick reference and for
dialogs such as occur in this newsgroup, and from time to time
readers will find slight differences in the numbers.

The actual translation of the words themselves are more subtle, yet
there are clear differences.  Some Christian Bibles find the word/name
"Lucifer" while all Jewish translations and even some Christian
translations have some other term (morning star, I think.)

The Book of Ecclesiastes(Sp?) is one of the 5 "Meggilot" and relates
the words of Kohellet, one of the names of King Solomon.  Yet
I think Christian (at least some) versions refer to Kohellet as a
no-name preacher, thereby changing the import of words uttered by
a King of Israel, son of King David, to words uttered by some
nameless preacher.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:34:52 GMT

In article <66k3RB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM
(olga from the volga) writes:

>If this is the kind of crap my kids would hear ( if we ever 
>have any) when they go to Hebrew school, I wowuld just as soon my 
>husband take them to a church he likes.  I didn't like hearing this
>narrow minded bigotry in Hebrew school when I was a kid, I certainly
>wouldn't subject any child of mine to it.  If you don't think about 
>what is good for you, nobody else will!

This diatribe demonstrates nothing for or against intermarriage.  It
does, however, demonstrate the tragic state of Jewish life,
spirituality, and education in some places in the world.  I don't blame
her for being soured on the concept of marrying Jewish, given her
story.  Nor am I surprised that she "couldn't" find a Jewish spouse.  I
am, however, saddened by the statement it makes about society even if
her bitterness is maginified 10 times reality.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Haifa University Address
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:43:05 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Can anybody provide me with the address of Haifa University (or is it 
called University of Haifa?)?  A friend would like to apply to their PhD 
program in education, but is having some difficulty locating their 
address.  I bet her a nice dinner that I could come up with it before she 
could.  Don't let me down, I have no money!!!

Thanx,

Todd
__________
A PhD student at Florida Atlantic University with so little money I can't 
afford a .sig, so just e-mail me at Waldo@Cybernet.cse.fau.edu
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cross-dressing
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:20:32 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: norm@helix.nih.gov

In article <9210051338.AA07807@helix.nih.gov>, norm@helix writes:
>Sorry David, I think you must have gotten it backward.  Today all frum Jews
>consider pants to BE a man's garment and not for women.

This is simply false.  Ask around.  Specifically ask rabbis whose wives
would never wear pants.

>							  You would not find
>strict orthodox women wearing "jeans" or any other type of pants, even in
>the privacy of their own homes.

The strict, no.  There are two issues.  First there is indeed disagreement
over the question of whether pants are a man's garment, and second, there
are questions of modesty.  Someone who is strict, by definition, chooses
the more universally agreed upon standard.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: I'm baaaackk!
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:40:10 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX


Oops... sorry for the disappearance.  I have had to switch to a more
reliable link.  Thanks to Larry Rosenmann at lerami.lerctr.org for 
all his help, patience and his connection!

Notice the new addressing scheme.....

| Aaron D. Schmiedel            |  All my opinions represent what is right  |
| KESHERnet International       |  and true.  Just ask me....               |
| The Jewish Computer Network   |         <aaron@kesher.lerctr.org>         |
| Voice: (214) 239-1941         |    ..!utacfd.uta.edu!lerami!kesher!aaron  |
-- 
| Aaron D. Schmiedel            |  All my opinions represent what is right  |
| KESHERnet International       |  and true.  Just ask me....               |
| The Jewish Computer Network   |         <aaron@kesher.lerctr.org>         |
| Voice: (214) 239-1941         |    ..!utacfd.uta.edu!lerami!kesher!aaron  |
From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Artscroll Tractate Megillah
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:35:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: golem.ALLEN.92Sep30163515
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX

In article <1992Sep30.203047.18067@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:
[...]
   I was happy to find out that Artscroll has extended their "sale"
   on their English translation of the Talmud Mesechta Megillah.
   Evidently someone has financed this sale, which is going on until
   October 9. It is normally $40 but you can get it now for $15.

   It is available both from Jewish bookstores and directly from
   Mesorah Publications (sorry, I don't have the number here, but
   they are in NYC.)

The number is 1-800-MESORAH (1-800-637-6724)

and (718)921-9000 in New York.

(I happen to have my receipt from the purchase of Tractate Megillah
right here!)

--
K'tivah v'Chatima Tova!

===================================================
But those who toiled knew nothing of the dreams of 
        Those Who Planned;                         
And the minds who planned the Tower of Babel       
        Cared nothing for the workers who built it.

	-Metropolis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Jewish Advisors
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:45:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.210327.12317@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> altman@RIGEL.LCS.MIT.EDU (Arthur Altman) writes:
>My mother-in-law is visiting us for the Holidays from Austin, TX.  She
>says that she has heard that some in Texas are "whispering" about the
>fact that Bill Clinton has several prominent advisors who are Jewish.
>Presumably there are anti-semites who have seized on this, for whatever
>bad purposes.  This is the first I have heard of this, but I live in a
>comparatively sheltered part of the country/state/city.  
>
>So, as a reality check: Has anyone else out there on the net heard about
>this being an issue in their part of the country?  Does anyone think
>that there is enough latent anti-semitism out there that this would
>actually matter to the election?

Anyone who is anti-Semitic enough to vote against Clinton because he
has Jewish advisors wasn't going to vote for him anyway because of his
other stances wrt blacks and gays.  I wouldn't worry.

And one only has to look at the support Pat Buchanan engendered to see
the degree to which bigotry can succeed.
-- 
           .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:28:20 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> rlk@underprize (Robert Krawitz) writes:
> 
> >			  People have to decide for themselves whether
> >they care more about their background than about a relationship, 
> >and that choice should be free rather than forced or coerced 
> >(counting guilt tripping as coercion).
> 
> That's their problem.  If they reject their parents totally and 
> completely, I have absolutely no sympathy for them.

the problem is that often it's not the children doing the rejecting,
it's the parents. i know many people who didn't want to reject
their families & were forced into a "them or us" situation & had
to choose.

the question becomes: should the desire to marry outside of a family
faith be grounds for disowning one's offspring?

that's the -parent's- choice to make, and the results are the parent's
responsibility.

> rlk@underprize (Robert Krawitz) writes:
> >As for the mourning ritual:  any parent who'd go that far to lay a 
> >guilt trip on someone's acting rather wickedly him/herself.
> 
> Excuse me.  There is essentially no greater grief for a Jewish 
> parent who has even the least amount of commitment to Judaism.  
> Your reading it as a guilt trip is sick in the head.

ahh, i get it. "we're feeling pain, so we've got to make you feel
some too." -that's- sick.

jason

--
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
`,`  "I'd explain it to you, but your head would blow up." - S. Wright  `,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:27:12 GMT

>In article <1992Oct3.154349.24614@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>   In the extreme case, the parents can declare the child dead
>   and go through the appropriate mourning rituals; is any child so
>   wicked as to put his or parents through that?
>

I can only think that if my parents would have declared me dead because I did
not follow their religious believe, I would have declared them dead first, and
without a mourning ritual.
However, I am lucky. My father is arriving tomorrow from Argentina to visit
me, and he is happy that I am happy.

AAP
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:45:44 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct2.174420.28589@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>If you want to believe that the self-styled preacher Joshua, or
>Shabbatei whatever, or Mohammed, or any of the hundreds or thousands
>of other people who have lived or are living on this planet who have
>claimed they were the Messiah, is in fact so, go ahead, but what does
>it have to do with Judaism?

Just to head off some responses, Muhammed never claimed to be a
messiah.  Islam believes him to be the last and greatest prophet, but
he was no messiah.

By that same token, nobody considers Buddah of Confucious to be
messiahs, either.  They are considered great thinkers by their
followers.

Finally, I don't think that John Hiatt claimed that Judaism believes
in Jesus.  He just wanted to know why Jews don't think so.  Give
people the benefit of the doubt, OK?
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
From: kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor on SNL
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:29:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bvo3oz.B7s
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct5.143231.13434@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> abilenko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arkady Bilenko) writes:
>	Dear netters, 
>If any of you were as geeky as I to watch SNL on Sat, Oct 3, I was wondering
>whether anyone else but me noticed the "Star of David" pendant on Sinead 
>O'Connor.  If so, what could it mean?  I am aware that that particular Jewish
>symbol became such only sometime last century, so perhaps, some Gaelic or Irish
>ethnic groups would claim it as their own.  Anyway, just random thoughts and 
>questions.
>	Arkady (abilenko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

I saw a Star of David in a monastery I visited here in Indiana.  I was

told that it has been a Catholic symbol for a long time. 
   
Keren    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa)
Subject: Re: Cross-dressing
Reply-To: kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa)
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:31:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.164717.10414@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
> I believe that the definitions of "men's" and "women's" clothing is
> culture and location-specific.  While a kilt may be acceptable men's
> attire in Scottland (or at rennaisance faires), it certainly is not so
> on the streets of New York.

Oh, really?
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
> ----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
> Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"

-- 
Thanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: One day R"H (was Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:44:55 GMT

In <PINKAS.92Oct1191056@skywalker.intel.com> pinkas@skywalker.intel.com (Israel Pinkas) writes:

>The rabbis were worried about the
>shofar being carried between domains, and that one might repair a minor
>defect in the shofar like smoothing a rough spot on the mouthpiece (Makeh
>B'Patish - Putting the final touch on an object).

Isn't makeh b'patish forbidden on Yom Tov, too?  So if the reason for
not blowing on Shabbat was makeh b'patish, one wouldn't be allowed to
blow on Yom Tov, either.  On the other hand, if carrying is the entire
reason (which is what I recall learning), what does the additional
reason of makeh b'patish add?
-- 
/|/-\/-\       New signature will appear "acharai hachagim"
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 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			Jerusalem
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:14:59 GMT

In a previous posting (I hope it was this thread), I referred to
"belief in the Great Pumpkin (pbuh)."

I received an email message reprimanding me for gratuitously insulting
Islamic readers.  The reprimand was correct, and my use of pbuh
was uncalled for, unnecessary, and insensitive.  I sincerely apologize,
and will be more careful in the future.




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: ckinberg@milton.u.washington.edu (Clare Kinberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Rostock Riots in ex-DDR?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:55:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.185519.21837
Organization: University of Washington

In reply to the question about neo-nazi riots in East Germany.  There is a
very interesting posting on the newsgroupp soc.culture.germany of a daily
update on violence across the whole country.  The posting is by Debra
Weber-Wulf (dww@inf.fu-berlin.de)  I suggest reading it to all who are
interested in events in Germany that are not being reported in the US, anyway.

Also, I don't understand why several postings on this newsgroup are
repeated up to four times?
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:16681 soc.culture.polish:2868
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: On Polish and Jewish nationalism
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 02:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.232059.9296@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
> Think, Roger. Your argument can be reversed: whenever a Pole
>would criticize the treatment of Palestinians in Israel and 
>occupied territories, a Jew would say "but what about the Polish
>rabid anti-Semitism?"

It is interesting.

So far, those Poles whom I have noticed to have expressed an opinion
with regard to the Israel/Palestine question seem almost by reflex to
assume that Israel is in the wrong.

This despite the fact that the PLO and Hamas have these nasty habits of
killing random Israeli women, children and men, seemingly every chance
they get.

It is an interesting view.

I certainly hope that this is not representative of the Polish
viewpoint on this issue.

But a mention of antisemitism might not be out of line when confronted
with such a reflex anti-Israeli point of view. After all, I would
suspect that an antisemite would be quite well motivated to side with
almost anyone against Israel.

--Mark
From: lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:54:20 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

Jodi Weber writes:
>
>... I'm still interested in hearing others. So post away!
>
	When I first got started in this field, some 11 years ago, I used ALL
	my vacation time to make up for the holidays. Later I found that my
	employers were more flexible than I thought. So for many years I
	used about half of my vacation time, and the balance I made up by
	coming in on Sundays or statutory holidays.

	At my previous job, the Toronto Stock Exhange, my employer gave the
	Jewish employees (about 5 individuals out of 250) both days
	Rosh HaShana and Yom Kippur, gratis.

	I have found that time off with the family, aside from during
	the holidays, is very important.

----
Rabbi Lazer Danzinger
MASHIACH IS ON THE WAY-- Be a Part of It!
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Modern reasons some people keep extra days
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:22:36 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)

In article <4255@bimacs.BITNET>, rothberg@bimacs (Danny Rothenberg) writes:
>The only problem about the above excerpt is that it is all fine and
>dandy *WHEN ONE HAS A CALENDAR*.  During the Shoah those that were in
>the camps and wanted to keep the holidays, [...]  To be sure they
>were correct it was obviously necessary to keep two days FOR EXACTLY
>THE SAME REASON THE ADDITIONAL DAY WAS INSTIGATED.

Extra days are/have been kept by some Jews in Japan/Australia/New Zealand,
out of a question about just where is the Jewish Date Line in the first
place, even to the extent of two days of Yom Kippur, fast and all.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish