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From: lschoen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lawrence Schoen)
Subject: Klingon art work
Summary: Send it to me, I want it!
Keywords: Klingons, Graphics
Organization: Klingon Language Institute
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:29:10 GMT

Help!  I'm trying to amass some klingon artwork (preferably Macintosh
format), whether they be paint files, PICT files, TIFF files, or even GIF.

This artwork is going to be used in a series of hypercard stacks we'll be
releasing to help people teach themselves the Klingon language.

I need images of vessels, individuals (both full body and closeups),
armament, food, whatever.  I've tried using the GIFs available at the
jumbo.hartford.edu ftp, but can't get them to show up with my software
(which probably means I'm too dumb to figure out the problem, sigh).

Any help would be welcome.  Reply here, or directly to me.  

batlh,

- Lawrence

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From: jsa3+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Schreibeis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Old Trek Stuff
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:03:22 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

My roommate just came back from a trip to his mother's place and he
brought all of his old Trek stuff.   He used to be a Trekker (that's his
admission, not mine.  Also, I'm not interested in reopening the
Trekker/Trekkie debate).  He has since moved on and become a
Leninist/Marxist, who doesn't mind a little capitalism thrown in for
good measure.  Thus the point of this post:  He has some old Fanzines,
blueprints and other specs concerning TOS Trek that he is interested in
selling in the Pittsburgh area.   Can anyone tell me where he should
look and how to determine value for this stuff?

Thanks in advance

Jason
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From: GREERIH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Patrick Stewart in New Haven
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:42:28 EDT

Patrick Stewart spoke at a ST convention here in New Haven today. He was very
personable, making jokes about fan's questions (even asking one fan why he
would want to be a submariner) and very funny, but he didn't say too much. He
did mention that he just finished three 15 hour days on the set filming an
episode where his real-life son gets to play his on-screen son (in an
alternate time-line). He spent a lot of time talking about his pervious
carreer in legitimate theatre and how he plans to continue it. He will do a
Christmas Charol next year, first in LA then in NY. He stated that he wasn't
sure if he would renew into the seventh season or not. He was very good with
the children in the audience, and seemed to have a lot of fun.
 
                                                           Eric
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From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Asimov Lost
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:45:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.194533.6715
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Isaac Asimov died this morning April 6, 1992 A.D

Who'
s left
##
-- 
Though it will take me to Forever's Rim,
I sail through the reaches of Time's Twilight Dim.
Questing for Knowledge, on Night's Darkest Sea,
Bound for those shores enshrouded by Mystery.  --Thaliaer's Oath
From: wwo@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Thanks for the Help
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:39:41 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hi again,

Thanks to everyone who sent me Paramount's fanmail address.  My friend really
appreciated it.  (And I appreciate the brownie points I earned ;-)

Bye

Tom Schoene
WWO@Cornella.cit.cornell.edu
"Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious"
From: chris@neocad.com (Chris Cope)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: Picard-Riker 92
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:11:01 GMT
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my message about the P-R 92 stickers.
I still don't know how to get one mail order, but if you happen to live
in the Colorado front range area, you can get one at Trade-a-Tape on the 
Hill in Boulder.

Unfortunately, my first message was composed and posted on my manager's
login, so the footer at the bottom belongs to him and not me.  Please
DO NOT send mail to him.  My address is:
copeg@duke.colorado.edu  OR
chris@sideout.neocad.com.
If the SysOp is reading this, please remove the old message, so my poor
manager doesn't get any more mail on this.  Thanks,

Chris Cope
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From: jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: What would YOU like to see a Galaxy class ship named?
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:16:16 GMT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Newington, CT)

In article <1992Apr3.212257.9152@nevada.edu>, jtgorman@nevada.edu (Heathers Administrator) writes:
> 
>   As for the "shuttle" Enterprise not being shown in Picard's wall - two
> reasons:
> 
>   1 : It isn't (wasn't) a real shuttle.  More a lifting body testbed.
>   2 : It would make a _nasty_ circular reference.  The "shuttle"
>       Enterprise was not named after any current or past ship.  It was
>       so named because of the NCC-1701 and the original show!

In-jokes are, however, quite often applied in the scenery (as one example, 
the "Medical Insurance Remaining" graph on the monitors in Sickbay).  
Putting in a circular reference would be quite in character for Sternbach 
and Okuda.

However, perhaps the wall sculptures depict only the STARSHIPS named 
_Enterprise_?  I don't recall seeing the aircraft carrier there, either...

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       Jeff Lee - jlee@smylex.uucp - jlee%smylex.uucp@uhasun.hartford.edu
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  Iron rusts from disuse; stagnant water loses its purity and in cold weather
  becomes frozen; even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind -- da Vinci
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Does anyone have the schedule for when Patrick Stewart will be speaking
during the convention at the San Fransisco Cow Palace on April 25 & 26?

Maurice

Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:00:30 -0400 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Asimov Lost

I realize that the two most important things on this billboard are 1)
flaming the Wesley Crusher character and, 2) seeking out nude GIFs of
TNG cast members. Nonetheless, I'm wondering about this comment from
Scott Hurley:

>Isaac Asimov died this morning, April 6, 1992 A.D.
> 
>We've lost the last of our founders.
> 
>Who's left?

Do you mean the last of Star Trek's founders? Or the last of science
fiction's founders. If you mean the latter, I don't think Asimov was a
"founder" of science fiction (a distinction that is often given to Mary
Shelley for "Frankenstein"), and I doubt if Asimov would have made the
claim. He was, of course, one of the giants who helped popularize the
genre. Praise him. Arthur C. Clarke is still with us. Praise him.

But if you mean Asimov was the last of Star Trek's founders, I wonder:
How so? I don't recall that Asimov ever contributed to a Star Trek
episode, though I would guess he enjoyed the show -- more than he
enjoyed "2001" apparently. AC Clarke was interviewed on NPR the day
Asimov died and said that Asimov stormed out of the theater when he
realized that HAL was capable of killing humans (a violation of the
first Law of Robotics, I believe).

If Asimov was "the last of our founders," who were the others (besides
Roddenberry, of course).

One other note, Tasha Yar once mentioned that Data represented "Asimov's
idea of a positronic brain" -- or something like that.

Anyway, does anyone know if Asimov contributed to Star Trek, or what he
thought of the show?

RIP Isaac. You will be remembered among the greatest. 
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From: kratnam@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kapila Ratnam)
Subject: test
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:40:17 GMT

This is a test. This is only a test. For the next 60 seconds this station wil conduct a test of the ras newsgroup.

-- 
"Even in this corner of the galaxy, captain, two plus two equals four"
From: forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (scott.forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek
Subject: This newsgroup will self-destruct in 16 days.
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:41:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T

A reminder:  This newsgroup has been renamed to rec.arts.startrek.misc, and
an official "rmgroup" message for rec.arts.startrek will be sent on April 26.

Please read and post to rec.arts.startrek.misc instead of this newsgroup.
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-- Scott Forbes, on behalf of the (now defunct) r.a.s.* reorganization cabal
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Why 3 in "Cause and Effect?"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:55:57 GMT

In article <HENDRICK.92Apr14151343@marlins.ctron.com> hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick) writes:
>Didn't anyone else see Data tapping three on his arm-sending-unit?
>That is dot dot dot, not dot dot (binary 11). I have read numerous
>postings where the smallest detail is pointed out "Did you see the
>loose thread hanging from Lt Phaser Fodder's tunic as they blew him

He tapped twice for binary 11, then pressed 'transmit'. 

-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                               Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:42:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.035223.12273@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.141238.2794@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>
>> Ms. Ro, on the other
>>hand, is a shallow, cliche and obvious archetype that you can find in
>>droves on the soaps.  
>
>Yeah, she *does* remind me a lot of most of the TOS characters. (-:  
>Seriously,
>I have a feeling that she's going to be fleshed out more next season.  She's
>basically there now to see how other characters react off her.  Which is, by
>the way, all that Alexander is.  Notice none of the episodes he's in involved
>things concerning his point of view, it's always Worf's.  

Agreed about REUNION and NEW GROUND (a major failing of the latter, BTW).
I disagree about ETHICS -- I think the writer (Ron Moore, I believe it was)
tried to give him a POV, make him a more active character and show us some 
of his feelings and reactions. It would have worked dramatically for me, if 
I hadn't been reeling from that kid's pathetic attempts to portray fear and 
grief.

CoL seems to involve a "father-son conflict of philosophy" -- another
theme where two strong POV's can really make for sizzling drama. If they'd
just replace the kid with someone who can act, and stop conflating
the EMOTIONAL angsts with PHYSICAL danger, they might actually have 
something. As it is, CoL is being written by the same guy who wrote
HALF A LIFE -- so I suspect we'll see badly acted soap opera melodrama 
instead. 


>this idea nicely in "Ethics."  He and Ro are character foils at the moment,
>until the writers decide to make them something else.  Yeah, Ro's a cliche,
>but cliches are cliches because they were originally good ideas, most of 
>the time anyway, and have been overused.  I think she's got potential.

Here's where we differ. I don't think Ro's premise was interesting even
the first time. 


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TNG Lifelines: From "Yesterday's Enterprise" To "The First Duty" --
  "Prior to Starfleet Academy commencement ceremonies, an in-flight
   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar. 28 - Apr. 3

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Where was Troi? (First Duty)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:37:51 GMT

dabachma@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Donald A Bachman) writes:

>	I know some will argue that it is unethical to read someone elses
>emotions/mind without consent, but by previous example, and what Picard
>said about his Betazoid Commandant, we know that is not the case. 

Um, well...

That sounded like an old childhood story--and we ALL know how much they can
be exaggerated.  

I've argued before that it's unethical to read minds w/o consent, but I
don't have the energy to start it up again--besides, the argument got 
distinctly *ugly* last time.  

In this particular case, I'd say that since the Academy is supposed to be
instilling a devotion to honor, duty, and honesty in its cadets, having a
watchdog around to make sure they *can't* lie rather blunts the impact.  

>	Another thing, why would they doubt the picture from the satellite?

Nobody did, except Bev, and she was horribly biased.  Brand said outright that
she thought they were lying; she just couldn't prove it without independent
corroboration.

Tim Lynch
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: first duty, the (spoi
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:34:51 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

CL>   One idea that may have been interesting as far as really trying to
  >make the moral dilemma more interesting is if Nick had told Wesley
  >"It was your idea to attempt the manuever."  It would have made the
  >guilt far more reasonable, and may have made Nick look a little better.

But that would be a lie!  It was Nick who wanted to show off with the
colbart starburst (sp?) and convinced the four to join in.  If he had
lied in the end and shouted at Wes in his room saying, "It was YOUR
idea!" than Wes would probably wip out his black market phaser and kill
Nick!
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From: v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lacarno-expected to succeed-
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>>>3.  The boy that died (whats his name) is dead and it doesn't matter too much
>>>     that his name is mucked for the good of the team.
>>
>>I thought so too, until I watched his father during the testimony... although
>>he didn't say much, that man can act.
>>
> 
>That's crazy. Thats the same as the hit and run attitude! (he is dead, what
>good will it do if I go to jail)
> 
>>        Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche.
>>                      hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>>                      Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Amos Yung          | Macintosh Jr.: The power to crush the other kid.
>yung@r-node.gts.org| 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

	My original post was meant to be taken from the mind of Lacarno-
a logical course of action for damage control- in his mind, was- to 'burn'
the name of one to save the career's of five- something he tried to 
convince Wes of, but failed-  then he hinself did it.
	The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few-
			or the one.
	I' mnot arguing that what he did was right- but that he did
what HE thought was right- and he stuck by it- for that he earns some
of my belated respect.

			Jim

	
From: jackies@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jackie Sheddy)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:58:44 GMT
Subject: Re: THE BOSEMAN CREW IS NOT STUPID!!! (Cause & Effect Spoilers)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current


> Spoilers for Cause and Effect:
> 
> 
> 
>
> In r.a.s.c., dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:
> 
> >No, No, No! The Boseman was NOT caught in the temporal loop for 80 years!
> >They came through a temporal WARP to the present, and were only caught in the
> >temporal loop for the same seventeen days that the Enterprise was. Since it
> 

In rec.arts.startrek.current, jlanter@spider.wri.com (Jeff Lanter) writes:
>
> Again, I implore someone--anyone--to please cite for me the line or lines
> from the episode in question that substantiate this ludicrous claim.  So
> far, the only proof we have of this theory are the claims of various
> members of r.a.s.c., none of which have any degrees in temporal physics.
> 

If you go back and listen to the last few  minutes of the  episode,  the
captain of the Bozeman says  something  like "...we left Starbase  three
weeks  ago."  That would tell me that the Bozeman  was NOT caught in the
SPACE/TIME WARP for 80 years.  Rather that both of the ships were caught
in the temporal distortion for the 17 days.



Jackie
jackies@hpfcso.fc.hp.com
(no .sig, but thinking about it.)

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:15:31 GMT

kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
 > OK, assuming for a moment that you're right: give us an example
 > of Kirk taking on something that's way over his head, ignoring
 > all warnings, and just foolishly bulling ahead.

apearlma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pearlman) writes:
 > Stepping down from the admirality.  The federation needs him
 > more in the admirality, otherwise they wouldn't have promoted
 > him.  Granted, he's the captain of the Enterprise.

Er, he was demoted.  Kirk didn't really have a choice.

 > Letting Gary Mitchell get out of hand.  If Kirk could have handled his own
 > fears of Gary Mitchell, they wouldn't have had the problems they did.

It wasn't fear, it was friendship and humanity.  Are we talking
about the same episode??

 > Organians.  Taking on 1 in 7000 odds quoth Spock.  Spock has
 > just told him the odds are suicidal.

Tell that to the Afghan people or the Vietnamese.  Guerilla
tactics work.  Besides what choice did Kirk have?

 > After the Organians dictate terms, Kirk keeps arguing.
 > Arguing with a nearly omnipotent race does not seem like a
 > very rational idea.

_Fighting_ with a nearly omnipotent race doesn't seem rational.
Arguing is very rational, because you obviously aren't going to
change their minds by force.  And hey, they might be amenable to
reason, or at least persuasion.  Look at the Metrons, for
instance.  Powerful beings can be convinced.

 > Any number of times: Spock: odds are hundreds to one.  Kirk:
 > how good are the odds now?

Specific examples, please.
From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:40:19 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.

> ......there is nothing special about the truth.  There are only
> actions and consequences. 
 
> Foo.  It is foolish to expect commanders to take the blame for
> the actions of their subordinates.  Commanders are not omniscient
> and omnipotent, and their subordinates are intelligent beings with
> free wills.

  It's always amusing to me when someone's ignorance is applied to situations
  in which they know absolutely nothing about.

  The first rule of a service academy cadet is that a cadet does not
  lie, cheat, steal, nor tolerate anyone who does.

  The first rule of an officer is that he is responsible for EVERYTHING
  his unit does or fails do - which includes responsibility for the actions
  of his subordinates.

  What is drilled into service academy cadets and continues into the officer
  corps is a very high degree of honesty, integrity, discipline, ethics, and
  moral courage.  An officer's word is his bond.  (most officers measure up
  to these standards - some do not).  It's always been summed up nicely by
  General MacArthur's statement;  DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY.

  What Picard found most dispicable was not the event itself - but the attempt
  at cover up and Wesley's lying.  An untrustworthy starfleet cadet would
  never be trusted on the bridge of a starship (or any other vessel).
  (The disgust in Picards demeaner was vividly portrayed).

  It was Locarno's DUTY to stand up and say "I was the leader, therefore,
  it is totally my responsibility for the actions of my subordinates."
  The academy would demand no less.

  Picard was telling Wesley - "have the moral courage to tell the truth."

  "Justice" in these situations is disciplinary action taken for the 
  good of all - and to make examples and set standards for others to follow.

  The entire team should be expelled from the academy. 

  If I was Picard, Wesley would never be allowed on my bridge.



  "If you're going to get nuked - stand up and take your rads like a man."  
 


   
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