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From: mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Paul Mather)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: YCDTOSA Vol. 6
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:14:10 GMT
Organization: Centre for Applied Obfuscation.
X-Posted-From: sol.sees.bangor.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep1.165139.5816@panix.com>, fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
> Vol 6. is currently only available in a boxed set with Vol. 5.  The Box has
> space for all the other volumes.  6 will be available separately in
> October.

Except in Europe at least where both titles have been on sale separately
for some time now.

Actually, I wish they'd done the box thing before putting 5 & 6 on
general release here.  That way those of us who were mildly interested
in buying the series box with 5 & 6 together could've done so quite
nicely and not get ripped off *too* much.

As it is, most Zappa fans here will have bought 5 & 6 when they were
released, only to find out *now* about the box.  I guess only the true
fanatics in Europe will buy the box now (which I've seen imported into
the UK at prices between 50 and 70 pounds, i.e. approx $100-$140!).

For the rest of us with 5 & 6 though it's a case of "no thanks."

So actually, you're not being shafted as much as you think.

Cheers,

Paul.
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 will bring them down so much."

        --- Frank Zappa, "Call Any Vegetable", _Just Another Band From L.A._
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: ghatch@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Greg Hatch)
Subject: Re: Andy = Andy Warhol ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:24:42 GMT

In article <Bu2582.686@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> rtgraf@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Graf) writes:
>Hi Everybody!
>
>Another (probably) old question:
>
>Does the song "Andy" really refer to Andy Warhol?

No, the Andy in question is Andy DiMartino, who was Captain Beefheart's tour
manager for a while and thoroughly fucked the good Captain over.

>
>Comments, corrections, additional info etc. wanted
>
>Thanks,
>		Robert
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: scm@watson.ibm.com (Scott Morrison)
Subject: New Album & other stuff
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:57:26 GMT
Distribution: alt
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM's T. J. Watson Research Center

For those of you who complained that there wasn't enough Flo & Eddie
material in the YCDTOSA series, we now know why.  According to 818-PUMPKIN
a new double CD set is to be released on Barking Pumpkin called "Playground
Psychotics."  It is all live material from the vaudeville band with Mark
Volman and Howard Kaylan.  It's due out on October 20 in the US.

They also said the Zappa issue of Guitar Player is now due out on the same day.

Barking Pumpkin has also just re-issued L. Shankar's album "Touch Me There"
on CD.  This album was produced by FZ, and has several tunes co-written
by him, including "Dead Girls of London".  He also sings on several cuts
under the name "Stucco Homes."  It is an excellent album; Joe Bob says
"check it out."
					-- Scott Morrison
From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Hustler Mag. Frank Zappa Spread!
Keywords: like totally
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:25:18 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <Aug.25.13.29.58.1992.9049@andromeda.rutgers.edu> wejohnso@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Wes Johnson) writes:
}mrm writes:
}>But I'm still interested in buying a secondhand copy of the Zappa
}>issue, if anyone's selling one for $5 or $10...
}
}What month/year? I know plenty of places in Chicago that sell back issues of
}hustler, and I'd like to buy this issue.

April, 1984 issue of Hustler.

When I get the time, I'll type in the text.  By the way, the pictorial was
titled "Thing-Fish", and starred Ike Willis, Ample Annie, Robert Axelrod
and Phil De Carlo, and was supposedly "Based on scenes from the impending
Broadway Musical".


Lance
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From: wejohnso@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Wes Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Hustler Mag. Frank Zappa Spread!
Keywords: like totally
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:29:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mrm writes:

>I for one would like to buy a copy --- Hustler cashed my check
>but never sent me a copy.  I think it's outta print.   Just
>goes to show, I never shoulda tried to give money to those
>slimebags.   Yeah they are slimebags, I'll argue the point if anyone
>is into it.    No, I ain't into censorship.  Just into calling
>a slimebag a slimebag. 

>But I'm still interested in buying a secondhand copy of the Zappa
>issue, if anyone's selling one for $5 or $10...

What month/year? I know plenty of places in Chicago that sell back issues of
hustler, and I'd like to buy this issue.
From: marine@ils.nwu.edu (Colette Marine)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: The Color of Her Panties
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:53:47 GMT
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences

***** Posting from a friend's account *****

In article <eZL7PB2w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> tbromley.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>The latest Xanth novel -- The Color of Her Panties -- is now on sale.
>(Funny, I thought Xanth always came out in OctOgre.)
>
>Price (U.S.) is $4.99 ($5.99 in Canada).
>
>Saw it on sale in a B. Dalton in Boca Raton, Mundania.

I thought it was a bit handicapped.

Huh?

Paraplegic, gimpy, crippled, locomotionally challenged--

Lame?

Whatever...


I miss Bink, Crombie, and Chester,
Jared D. Brame
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony and Morality
Keywords: moral, teenage, emotionally retarded
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:37:28 GMT

nick@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Nick Falkner) writes:


>I find it amusing that someone thinks to bring up a question of morality over
>the issues of people walking around naked and then panty-clad in 'The color of 
>her panties'.  How about discussing the level of emotional retardation that
>PA must be suffering to write this crap in the first place?

>The first few Xanth books were OK - even quite good - but as the series 
>progressed we had more and more emphasis on juvenile portraits of women and a
>seemingly obsessive attitude towards women's underwear.  Step back and look at
>the subject matter.  I think that Chamelon is a great example of the image that
>PA has of women.  (I'm not going to rehash the argument that has already been
>had in this newsgroup)  I don't feel that you can adequately defend these 
>images with the excuse that 'it's only a kid's book' - I think it  is MORE
>unhealthy because of that fact.

When was the designation "children's books" applied to the Xanth series!!!???
They are definitely adult literature.  However, they are not for the humor
impaired.  His references to panties are meant to be satire.  Only an adult
(who is not humor impaired) would appreciate the satire in the Xanth series.
Only an adult (who is not humor impaired) would understand an enjoy the
majority of the puns that riddle the Xanth series.

After reading A Spell for Cameleon, I tried to read/tell the story to a
group of gifted 5th graders.  While they were able to enjoy the story, they
totally missed the best of the puns and the satire.

Are you saying here that any book that features children as main characters
is a children's book?  I admit to being quite puzzled as to your criteria
for adult literature as opposed to children's literature. 

And yes, I admit to being a rabid Xanth fan and not a rabid Piers Anthony
fan.  I hated Bio of a Space Tyrant.

Barb

-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: aaronson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Aaronson)
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony and Morality
Keywords: moral, teenage, emotionally retarded
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:04:47 GMT

I think that Piers' predilection to deal with some topics of questionable
morality has become considerable more pronounced in the last few years.
Anyone who's read Anthonology knows that 'The Barn' and 'On the Uses of
Torture' are decidely gruesome in subject matter.  Yet he prefaced each of
them with a warning to the reader, and I thought they were well written
stories.  
	Recently however, everything he writes seems to deal with Child
Molestation, rape, or Incest.  "Firefly" is the best example as it
contained all three.  Granted this was a book about sexual attraction, but
while the concept of the 'firefly' was brilliant, the book itself seemed
poorly written.  I thought it was almost a medium for Piers to publish a
slew of short stories 'told by Oenone' about the darker side of sex.
	'Virtual Mode's' heroine was only 14 (I think) which is probably a
bit young for some people's ethics, and the Xanth series which started off
treating a child's concept of reproduction with a delightfully humorous
air, has slowly gone downhill.  Nowadays, only the children in Xanth talk
of sex.  
	
	Now, I'm not accusing Piers of being a 'dirty old man' (yet) but I
think that while those story lines had a place in 'Bio of a Space Tyrant'
they don't in a series like 'Xanth'.

Just my two cents...

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From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Xanth and Morality
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:44:39 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I like Piers Anthony a lot and "The Color of Her Panties" was OK, but
I am really suprised that someone hasn't relly laid into it on moral grounds...

Spoilers...



















Lets see.. We have half of our characters walking around totally naked for 
half of the novel and with only panties for about another quarter...

The other group consisting of two 14 year olds and a 7 year old if I remember
correctly, is not only taught the facts of life, but is rewarded for
coming up with reasons that they should be taught the facts of life.
(The 7 year old is the centaur)


I just wonder if much more of this and/or simply the title of this
book will get the Xanth novels moved from children's SF&F to YA or adult
SF&F


Randy Finder
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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Does Piers Post Here and What's up with 1-800-HIPIERS
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:36:02 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <BtJsF2.8uo@acsu.buffalo.edu> blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech) writes:
>	Does Piers log on at all?

Piers Anthony does not have a Usenet account as far as I know.
Peter David (Author of _Q in Law_ and other Star Trek stuff) is probably
the most popular SF author currently on Usenet.




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 much less care what I think
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Does Piers Post Here and What's up with 1-800-HIPIERS
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:47:00 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech) writes:
>	Does Piers log on at all? Does he even have a modem? What does
>he think of workstations? And when is Dor going to ask some really
>good questions????

If you have read his Author's Notes, you would know that PA just a few
years back switched from CP/M to MS-DOS.  I seriously doubt that he has
an internet connection for his IBM clone.

I bet that PA is more concerned with writing novels than learning the
ins and outs of maintaining a net connection.
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From: v051ns2z@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David P Donati)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Top XANTH books
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I didn't get a chance to vote in the Xanth Poll, but I still want to  
 give my opinion. So here are my faves:
                   1 The Source of Magic
		   2 A Spell for Chameleon
		   3 Centaur Isle 
		   4 Castle Roogna
		   5 Nightmare
There its only five but who cares. :)
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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony and Morality
Keywords: moral, teenage, emotionally retarded
Date: 3 Sep 1992 05:54:14 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep1.143728.1801@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:
>When was the designation "children's books" applied to the Xanth series!!!???

  The one with Jenny Elf sure seemed like a juvenile to me. Ditto
for "Dragon on a Pedestal" and "Ogre, Ogre."
>They are definitely adult literature.  However, they are not for the humor
>impaired.  His references to panties are meant to be satire.  Only an adult
>(who is not humor impaired) would appreciate the satire in the Xanth series.

  Ditto for Willie Wonka. (Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.)
>Only an adult (who is not humor impaired) would understand an enjoy the
>majority of the puns that riddle the Xanth series.

  I was a teenager when the books came out, and I had no problem getting
the puns. But then I read Illuminatus! in Jr. High.
>After reading A Spell for Cameleon, I tried to read/tell the story to a
>group of gifted 5th graders.  While they were able to enjoy the story, they
>totally missed the best of the puns and the satire.

  Spell for Chameleon's also probably the best and most complex book in
the series. You probably would have done a lot better with "Nightmare"
or "Dragon on a Pedestal."

>Are you saying here that any book that features children as main characters
>is a children's book?  I admit to being quite puzzled as to your criteria
>for adult literature as opposed to children's literature. 

  Children's literature doesn't have to be simplistic, you know. The series
appears to be written about and for young people. That doesn't have to
make it tripe.

>And yes, I admit to being a rabid Xanth fan and not a rabid Piers Anthony
>fan.  I hated Bio of a Space Tyrant.

  I, on the other hand pretty much gave up on Xanth after "Dragon on a
Pedestal.
>
>Barb



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From: nick@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Nick Falkner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Piers Anthony and Morality
Keywords: moral, teenage, emotionally retarded
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: nick@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Nick Falkner)
Organization: Deniably Easy Configuration


I find it amusing that someone thinks to bring up a question of morality over
the issues of people walking around naked and then panty-clad in 'The color of 
her panties'.  How about discussing the level of emotional retardation that
PA must be suffering to write this crap in the first place?

The first few Xanth books were OK - even quite good - but as the series 
progressed we had more and more emphasis on juvenile portraits of women and a
seemingly obsessive attitude towards women's underwear.  Step back and look at
the subject matter.  I think that Chamelon is a great example of the image that
PA has of women.  (I'm not going to rehash the argument that has already been
had in this newsgroup)  I don't feel that you can adequately defend these 
images with the excuse that 'it's only a kid's book' - I think it  is MORE
unhealthy because of that fact.

I enjoy some of PA's books - normally the first book or couple of books of any
of his series.  I just don't feel that he portrays either women or relationships
in a reasonable light.  The real illustration for me was in 'And Eternity'.

(Spoilers follow)
















(Keep going)












We had the judge who was a distinguished old man who was, seemingly, in control 
of himself.  After taking the little Lolita clone under his wing it turns out 
that he DOES want to sleep with her after all.  We have PA giving us this
wonderful role model and then saying 'Oh it's OK - he just likes sleeping with
people who are not his mature equal so it's almost rape but that's Ok because
she wanted to sleep with him anyway.'  - thus condoning statutory rape AS LONG
AS THE VICTIM 'wants' IT.  The whole tone of the book as it applies to this 
section indicates Piers' concurrance with this 'fact'.  

OK - it's fantasy.  OK - I don't have to read it.  But how many people ARE
reading it?  Say what you like - but young people are influenced by what they
read.  I think PA should try to be a little more mature in his writing or be
reclassified as adult literature to stop his immature female fantasy obsession
from polluting the minds of those who may not have the emotional/intellectual
background to reason crap from substance.

So talk to me.

Nick.
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From: prj91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Paul James)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Does Piers Post Here and What's up with 1-800-HIPIERS
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:30:11 GMT
Originator: prj91@spenser

In <BtKHs3.678@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:

>In article <BtJsF2.8uo@acsu.buffalo.edu> blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech) writes:
>>	Does Piers log on at all?

>Piers Anthony does not have a Usenet account as far as I know.
>Peter David (Author of _Q in Law_ and other Star Trek stuff) is probably
>the most popular SF author currently on Usenet.

Terry Pratchett also lgos on (alt.fan.pratchett)
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From: blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Does Piers Post Here and What's up with 1-800-HIPIERS
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:28:12 GMT
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I guess the subject really says it all, but for those who dont read
subjects here we go again.

	Does Piers log on at all? Does he even have a modem? What does
he think of workstations? And when is Dor going to ask some really
good questions????

	Does anyone knwo what happened to the HI PIERS number I tried
to call for a friend of mine who has no phone (apartment caught fire)
and it just rang and rang and rang ......




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From: tbromley.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: The Color of Her Panties
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:12:25 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

The latest Xanth novel -- The Color of Her Panties -- is now on sale.
(Funny, I thought Xanth always came out in OctOgre.)

Price (U.S.) is $4.99 ($5.99 in Canada).

Saw it on sale in a B. Dalton in Boca Raton, Mundania.
From: tgunter@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Thomas Gunter)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:28:14 GMT
Organization: Not Necessarily The University of Texas at Austin

In article <0N91PB3w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us
(Andrew Rossmann) writes:
>  Does anyone know roughly where in Florida Piers Anthony lives?

I haven't seen his latest author's notes, but I think he lives near 
Xanth's North Village--near the west coast about 2/3 of the way up.

[This wasn't really worth the post, but I just wanted to let everyone 
know of another reader of this group--I just got back to school Sunday.]

-tag
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