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From: am@sys.uea.ac.uk (A. Machaeridis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: What is a European country to you?
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:08:04 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:

>As to whether Denmark is a success or not, is difficult to say. But if
>we define success as economic strength, Denmark is one of the 3-4 
>EC-members who is eligible for entering the proposed "common currency"
>agreement (the other countries being (I think) France, Great Britain,
>Belgium, Luxembourg?).

>So yes, by economy strength we are a success. And we have just won the
>european football championship and the annual NATO competion. 
>Howsaboutthat?

And while you are so busy doing all that, somebody has to take care of
your women, during the summer. That is why you need Greeks.
From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "Becoming" European (was Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such)
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:56:03 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Rizos Sakellariou (rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
: hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
: 
: >+ By not recognizing Macedonia as an independent state Greece sets
: >+ the tension at the Balkan *towards* a war not *against*. 
: Could you justify your arguments? In particular, why recognising the
: ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia" would 
: prevent a war while not recognising it wouldn't?

  + Actually i don't have to justify my arguments- thoug you understand
  + exactly what i meant. Don't you understand that a State not recognized
  + by it's neighbours makes that State equal a child without parents- It
  + becomes a NO-MANS-LAND. Not accepting the neighbours border and you
  + have a new "Yugoslavia" war.

    
: >+ I read a newspaper yesterday- Papandreou says:"...."macedonians" can't
: >+ call their state Macedonia..."
: >+ Maybe they call their state "Papandreou" if he approves or even "PASOK"?
: Instead of playing with the words, can you realise why these people 
: insist on the name Macedonia? Don't you see the confusion that they attempt
: to create saying that "Greece occupies large sections of Macedonia" or

  + If the people in Northern Greece would like to join Macedonia
  + than the Greece have occupied the State- if they don't- then it 
  + haven't. Nobody , except the people in Northern Greece can decide that.

: "the Greeks for almost 2500 years are trying to hellenize the Macedonians"?
  
  + Maybe that's right- have you lived for 2500 years or should we 
  + belivie in the Greek history and not the Macedonian- if yes than
  + "justify  *your* arguments".
: Have you read their version of history? I'd suggest to read some of their 
: articles and compare these articles with the history of the region...
: 
: --r.


+ Hilmi
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:8222 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8602 soc.culture.greek:8627
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Counting in Greek
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:07:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe

dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:

>efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:
> > B.-H. is not a recognized country. That makes it seven.
> > Russia did not follow on the recognition move. No Russian counsulate exists
> > in Skopje.
>Oh well, there is no Dutch consulate in Malta, so that makes the Netherlands
>not recognizing Malta as a separate country?  (BTW, the consulate in Italy
>functions as consulate for Malta.)

I think that there is a misunderstanding of the initial argument. While
Russia showed the intention to recognise the ex-Yugoslavia's "People's
Socialist Republic of Macedonia", it seems that they have "frozen" 
recognition procedures. There was a declaration in Bulgaria showing their
intention to recognise the republic, but after that there were some talks
with people of the Greek Foreign Ministry where their position was
interpreted as rather ambiguous. 
However, since countries are recognised with official notes, it seems
that such a note has not been sent yet from Moscow to Skopie.

--rizos
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:8375 soc.culture.greek:8891
From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: What is a European country to you?
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:17:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe
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A. Machaeridis (am@sys.uea.ac.uk) wrote:
: jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:
: 
: >As to whether Denmark is a success or not, is difficult to say. But if
: >we define success as economic strength, Denmark is one of the 3-4 
: >EC-members who is eligible for entering the proposed "common currency"
: >agreement (the other countries being (I think) France, Great Britain,
: >Belgium, Luxembourg?).
: 
: >So yes, by economy strength we are a success. And we have just won the
: >european football championship and the annual NATO competion. 
: >Howsaboutthat?
: 
: And while you are so busy doing all that, somebody has to take care of
: your women, during the summer. That is why you need Greeks.

  + This is an example of how low a person can get (Machaeridis).
  + If the Greek tourist-cities look a bit clean than you can thank
  + the women you mentioned asshole. Without tourists Greece would be
  + like an african state... althoug it's not so far to that.....



Hilmi
From: Steve.Hayes@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: making diplomas acceptable in 29 countries - help
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:59:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/20.0 - Unisa Editorial, Pretoria

During a discussion about Re: making diplomas acceptable in 29 countries - help on 09-07-92  21:47 

 AC> In article <1992Sep02.222557.38420@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>
 AC> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes: >I have been asked by an
 AC> American who is a resident of Spain and living in >Spain now to help
 AC> her find out about a process by which her university >degrees can be
 AC> made acceptable in Spain.  She is applying for a university >teaching
 AC> position where she has taught before on a teaching exchange >program. 
 AC> They cannot hire her for the regular position without this >process.
 >
 >All she has been told is that her diplomas must be 'notarized' by the
 >university where she studied or in that city and that they must then go
 >through a process carried out by th 'secretary of state'.
 >
 >I assume that by 'notarized', they mean an official copy of the diploma
 >with the seal.  

It means that it must be certified by a notary public that the diploma is indeed what it purports to be. 

A notary is usually a lawyer, but is someone who has been trained and 
authorized to register deed in a public deeds office.

I suggest that your friend go to a lawyer, who should sign on a copy of the
diploma or whatever that it is a true copy of a genuine original that is
issued by a genuine educational institution, and that the person whose name
appears on the diploma is the same person as the one who is asking for the job
etc. And then put a rubber stamp on it showing that the person who signed this
declaration is a lawyer licensed to practise in the state of whatever...

 
... Steve Hayes, Editorial Dept, University of South Africa, Pretoria
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From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:28:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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Dear friends,

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	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
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associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Subject: Re: What is a European country to you?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:03:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.140642.10934@ruc.dk> jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:
>
>Personally I did quite a bit of "cleaning up" (using my tongue)
>among the many beautiful greek women on the island of Paros when I
>visited Greek a few years ago. Maybe it is time for yet another tour?

Jan, I'm happy for you that you had a good time.

>--
>jba - wearing condom _and_ asbestos suit

BTW, didn't your tongue hurt with a condom _and_ asbestos suit on it? ;-)

Serafim.
__________________________________
MACEDONIA: The heartbeat of Greece /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:8190 soc.culture.greek:8591
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: "Becoming" European
Keywords: Towards!
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:08:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1835@vall.dsv.su.se> hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
>In article <Sep02.153811.83074@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>>In article <morten.715429855@oase>, morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten
>>Kjeldgaard) writes:
>
>>>I think the greek have to decide for themselves whether they want to become
>>>a european country, or remain a balkan one. This nationalist nonsense is
>
>>Through political means, Greece is trying to prevent a war against it.
>>Isn't that European enough to you?
>
>+ By not recognizing Macedonia as an independent state Greece sets
>+ the tension at the Balkan *towards* a war not *against*. 
>+ Sooner or later  Greece will wake up, unfortunately a bit late.

Tell us how much good recognition has brought to Bosnia & Herzecovina.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:8172 soc.culture.turkish:9751 soc.culture.jewish:15449
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: An interesting poll about the feelings in Turkey
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


The following is from a poll taken by the Turkish
newspaper TURKIYE and published on 31/8/92 (8/31/92),
asking Turks wow they feel about other people and other matters.

MOST DISLIKED                   MOST LIKED
Armenia - 90%                   (Turk)Cyprus - 93%
(Greek)Cyprus - 89%             Japan - 81%
Greece - 84%                    Azerbaijan - 80%
Israel - 81%                    Pakistan - 79%

Do you consider yourself
Asian - 58%
European - 34%
Both - 5%
Neither - 1%

Should Turkey persist on joining EEC
Yes - 82%
No  - 33%



------------------------------------------
Michael.
                                              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: "Becoming" European
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:45:08 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1837@vall.dsv.su.se> hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:
>  + Actually i don't have to justify my arguments- thoug you understand

Unsupported arguments are of little weight.

>  + exactly what i meant. Don't you understand that a State not recognized
>  + by it's neighbours makes that State equal a child without parents- It
>  + becomes a NO-MANS-LAND. Not accepting the neighbours border and you
>  + have a new "Yugoslavia" war.

Fact is that Skopje's borders are respected, while those of recognized
countries, like Cyprus, are not.

>  + If the people in Northern Greece would like to join Macedonia

"If"? As if you did not know that they don't want to.

>  + Maybe that's right- have you lived for 2500 years or should we 
>  + belivie in the Greek history and not the Macedonian- if yes than

The Macedonian history is indeed that old and it is part of Greek
history. Skopjan history on the other hand is not particularly old.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism
Subject: In need of help identifying quotation
From: murray@husc10.harvard.edu (Brendan Murray)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:32:08 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: makortoff@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Help Currency Question?????
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:35:12 GMT

Hello there!!

I am a student who is going to be spending 3 months in Czechoslovakia.  I am
wondering if someone might be able to tell me what type of Money (Currency) is
most widly used in Czechoslovakia other than the Crown.  I have been told that
the German Mark is most used but I am wondering if it is difficult to exchange
either Canadian or American Currency?  I is important that if you can help me
with this problem that you either post a message in this news group or e-mail
me by Sept. 09, 1992.  I know this is short notice but I didn't think of this
till the last moment.

Thanks in advance!

Myles Makortoff
Victoria BC, Canada
E-mail "makortoff@camins.camosun.bc.ca"

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From: hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: "Becoming" European (was Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such)
Keywords: Towards!
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:25:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe
Organization: University of Stockholm, Sweden

In article <Sep02.153811.83074@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <morten.715429855@oase>, morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten
>Kjeldgaard) writes:

>>I think the greek have to decide for themselves whether they want to become
>>a european country, or remain a balkan one. This nationalist nonsense is

>
>Through political means, Greece is trying to prevent a war against it.
>Isn't that European enough to you?

+ By not recognizing Macedonia as an independent state Greece sets
+ the tension at the Balkan *towards* a war not *against*. 
+ Sooner or later  Greece will wake up, unfortunately a bit late.
  

>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."

+ I read a newspaper yesterday- Papandreou says:"...."macedonians" can't
						 call their state Macedonia..."

+ Maybe they call their state "Papandreou" if he approves or even "PASOK"?





Hilmi Eren					
Department Of Computer And Systems Science
Stockholm Universty- Sweden
Hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se


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From: jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re:  What is a European country to you?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:53:38 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter
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In article <am.715946884@radon.sys.uea.ac.uk> A. Machaeridis,
am@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:
>jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:
>>
>>So yes, by economy strength we are a success. And we have just won the
>>european football championship and the annual NATO competion. 
>>Howsaboutthat?
>
>And while you are so busy doing all that, somebody has to take care of
>your women, during the summer. That is why you need Greeks.

I need greeks like a fish needs a bicycle!
--
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it |
    /--|/                                         \ o / --> | with CLASS 
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`--'   '      <jba@dat.ruc.dk>                 --mm---mm-- 
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From: jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re:  What is a European country to you?
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:48:05 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter
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In article <1992Sep4.050724.25692@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> ,
8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
In article <1992Sep3.082813.23739@sunbim.be> Sasa Konecni,
sk@groo.sunbim.be writes:
>>	THE PATIENCE WITH THE PITTY COUSIN GREECE IS
>>ALMOST AT THE END IN THE EC FAMILY.  THE POINTLESS
>>SUBSIDIZING OF THE SICK GREEK ECONOMY AND THE INFLEXIBLE
>>POLITICAL ATTITUDE CONCERNING CYPRUS
>
>	Oh what the hell does that mean. UN is behind us. Would you give
>up your own families, let them die, and for what reasons.
>> AND MACEDONIA STARTED
>>TO DISTURB BRUSSELS SO MUCH, THAT THE EUROPEAN PRESIDENT OF
>>THE COMMISSION JAQUES DELORS DESCRIBED THE MEMBERSHIP OF
>>HELLAS AS A "FAILURE".	
>
>	What and Denmark is a success ? Greece is at a trouble spot. The reason
that 
>Europe exists is the fact that Greece was at that trouble spot to
>make create the boarder.

Mr. sk@groo.sunbim.be is most likely from Belgium, but then we all know
of the difficulties the greeks have with geography these days...

As to whether Denmark is a success or not, is difficult to say. But if
we define success as economic strength, Denmark is one of the 3-4 
EC-members who is eligible for entering the proposed "common currency"
agreement (the other countries being (I think) France, Great Britain,
Belgium, Luxembourg?).

So yes, by economy strength we are a success. And we have just won the
european football championship and the annual NATO competion. 
Howsaboutthat?
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "Becoming" European (was Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such)
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:53:41 GMT

hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:

: Rizos Sakellariou (rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
:    hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
:    + By not recognizing Macedonia as an independent state Greece sets
:    + the tension at the Balkan *towards* a war not *against*. 
: Could you justify your arguments? In particular, why recognising the
: ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia" would 
: prevent a war while not recognising it wouldn't?
  + Actually i don't have to justify my arguments- thoug you understand
  + exactly what i meant. Don't you understand that a State not recognized
  + by it's neighbours makes that State equal a child without parents- It
  + becomes a NO-MANS-LAND. Not accepting the neighbours border and you
  + have a new "Yugoslavia" war.

Hmm, "I don't have to justify my arguments"; I think that it doesn't
match with somebody who wants to be taken seriously... Anyway...
You have missed something: Greece was the first country that guaranteed 
the existing borders of the ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic 
of Macedonia" when the Albanians made claims. On the other hand, have you 
seen what were the results of recognition in Bosnia-Herzegovina? 


>: Instead of playing with the words, can you realise why these people 
>: insist on the name Macedonia? Don't you see the confusion that they attempt
>: to create saying that "Greece occupies large sections of Macedonia" or
>  + If the people in Northern Greece would like to join Macedonia
>  + than the Greece have occupied the State- if they don't- then it 
>  + haven't. Nobody , except the people in Northern Greece can decide that.

I'd suggest reading some books on the recent history of the region
in order to understand my initial question regarding confusions, names
and so on... At first, I'd suggest to find out who were the first who
used the name Macedonia to name this Republic, when and why...
Furthermore, try to find out with what sense the name Macedonia has been
used throughout the centuries until 1944 and the ethnological composition
of this republic during these years...


>: "the Greeks for almost 2500 years are trying to hellenize the Macedonians"?
>  
>  + Maybe that's right- have you lived for 2500 years or should we 
>  + belivie in the Greek history and not the Macedonian- if yes than
>  + "justify  *your* arguments".

Excuse me sir, but there are historical studies on the subject; don't
you try to read some of them? Except if you deny the validity of 
history and archeology because archeologists and historians were not
living in the years to which they refer...

>+ Hilmi
--rizos
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