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From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Saddle advice sought
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <73602@netnews.upenn.edu>, kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) writes...
> 
>Hello. The gel saddle on my touring bike has become lumpy and
>uncomfortable, so I've decided to replace it. This is the second gel
>saddle that's done this on me, so I've concluded that I should avoid
>them in future. I thought of getting another Vetta Lite: I have one on
>my mountain bike which seems comfortable but I'm wondering whether it
>would be too hard for longer rides.
> 
>Another alternative would be getting one of the stiff leather saddles like the
>San Marcos Regal or the Sella Italia Leader. I believe that these take
>a while to wear in but are very comfortable when they're worn in. Just
>how long is "a while" in this context, and how uncomfortable could I
>expect to be in the mean time? I'm planning on doing an MS150 in June
>and longer rides later in the summer, so I wouldn't want to still be
>wearing in a saddle by then. 
> 
>Are there any other saddles I should definitely be considering? I
>prefer the feel of leather to lycra, and like fairly narrow saddles
>'cos I find that the wider "touring" saddles get in the way of my
>peddling.

	Well, I really like my Brooks Pro, I've used is for three years now,
and not only is wearing very well, it is also both beautiful and comfortable.
However, it requires a breaking-in period of about 500 miles before it was
comfortable.  This was after I softened it with neetsfoot oil and a wooden 
mallet.  My wife got the pre-softened one, and although it took a lot less 
time to break-in than my saddle, it still took a little breaking-in to
become comfortable.  If you don't have the patience, the time, and the rear-
end to break-in a Brooks, then you might take a gander at the Wave-Flo
saddles.  Rather than a gel, they use a very thick liquid to achieve rider
comfort.  They are very comfortable saddles, and they are availiable in
leather.

					Cars generally suck,

							  Kevin




>Thanks for any advice.
> 
>-Anthony
From: jerry@siesoft.co.uk (Jerry Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bikecentennial YP?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:56:09 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Systems Development Group, Reading UK

Does anyone have a copy of the Bikecentennial Yellow Pages? I've 
come across an order form for Bikecentennial maps in the April
issue of the (UK) magazine of the Cycle Touring Club. As an affiliate
of Bikecentennial, CTC members can order the Yellow Pages too, but
there's no description of what it is exactly. To save me a five
week wait for snail mail to return from Missoula to sunny Bracknell,
I'd love to hear from you if you can tell me what you get if you
send a cheque off for the Yellow Pages!

Cheers,
Jerry
--
===============================================================================
Jerry Webb                                                <jerry@siesoft.co.uk>

"A mountain is a geological wave ... we are the real surfers"       
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:9195 rec.autos.driving:2312 ca.driving:832 rec.motorcycles:12897
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail.  NOT!!!
Date: 1 Apr 92 20:24:37 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@stravinsky.intel.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <kthbhsINN18v@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, asdf@ono-sendai.Eng.Sun.COM (Glenn Scott) writes:
> 
>   I've had it pointed out to me in private e-mail that the woman who
> wiped-out four bicyclists, killing one, didn't go to jail because the
> judge determined that she wasn't emotionally competent enough to go to
> jail (but certainly competent enough to keep her driver's license).

Not quite correct.  Since the woman was actually a teenage girl she
was found not competent to stand trial as an adult.  Also, all four
cyclists were dead on the scene.
 
>   This has indeed given me a whole new outlook on this matter
>   Does anyone know the name of her attorney or a way I can find out?
> I know now that should I ever need an attorney, I want this one.

Criminal penalties are usually light as long as fatal accidents are not 
the result of a flagrant violation of the law or gross negligence.  This 
principle applies to all accidents, not just traffic accidents.  In
this case the accident was the result of the typical inexperienced driver 
error of drifting a few feet when looking over one's shoulder.  The teenage 
girl wasn't DUI, running a red light, speeding through a school zone, or 
looking to play chicken with cyclists. 

Despite all the whining I haven't seen any evidence that cyclist
fatalites result in lesser penalties than other types of accident
fatalities.  By evidence I mean numbers like the average sentence per 
dead victim per type of accident.

-- 

John Reece			
Intel spokesman?  Not!           
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:44:14 GMT

In article <5408@otc.otca.oz> elson@otc.otca.oz.au (Elson Markwick) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.204752.14162@island.COM>, don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
>|> In article <1992Apr6.144932.5677@unocal.com> stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>|> >>I'm not claiming that, say, bicyclists are better about obeying traffic laws
>|> >>than drivers.  Though I doubt it, maybe they are worse.  It's irrelevant.  The
>|> >
>|> >Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
>|> >laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
>|> >things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
>|> >having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
>|> >hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.

[stuff deleted]

>|> 
>|> Driver Compliance to the 55 MPH speed limit on the freeway seems to be 
>|> about 10%, at least around here. Or are we only talking about laws that
>|> are defined as stupid by the people braking them ?
>|> 
>|> don
>|> don@island.com
>
>I think the point Mike was making is that *most* drivers obey *most* road rules,
>whereas *most* bicyclists break *most* rules.  Speed limits is the obvious
>exception - many drivers break that one.  However, most of the drivers I see
>drive on the correct side of the road, most signal their intent to turn clearly,
>most are illuminated driving at night, most do *not* drive on the footpath
>(is riding on the footpath illegal in the States?  It is here.), most don't
>run red lights and so on.  I see a *much* higher proportion of cyclists breaking
>those rules.  Don't forget that there are also many more cars on the roads than
>bikes, so although there are probably more cars break road rules than bikes,
>the *proportion* of them is lower.  And I'm sure that bike riders break speed
>limits whenever they can too....
>
>Cheers, Elson
>

No. Mike was talking about laws in general. My point was his guesstimates
were wrong because they didn't take into account laws regarding speed.
Drivers speed because they can get away with it. 
Some cyclists break laws because they can get away with it. 

About two months ago I got a  $103 ticket for rolling a stop sign.
Guess what I do at stop signs now ?

don
don@island.com
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Super Record Chainrings
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I recently noticed that I can see quite a bit of daylight between my
chain and chainrings (viewed from side, in between teeth; new chain
or old), so it's probably time to replace them.

Colorado Cyclist sells Stronglight rings for $25.99 each to fit Nouvo/
Super Record but they are not pictured.  I'm interested in any other
sources/manufacturers of compatible rings or sources for original rings.
Also, since these cranks are getting a little scratched up and could
use being polished, has anyone tried to have any parts re-anodized?
Ideally I guess you'd want to know someone who works for a manufacturer
and could just "throw it in the pot" or whatever.

David Mackintosh
From: frankh@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Frank Hamlin)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:03:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
        >No Les, he said BASIC stuff....disobedience of asinine speed
        >laws is a civic DUTY, not a violation of law.
The definition of laws seems to change when some people refer to what
they obey and disobey.

        >Going from the ability and willingness to stay on the correct
        >side of the road, stopping at stop signs, etc. to speed laws
        >is a pretty big stretch.
Right, Speeding kills many more people.  Now, what about not signaling
lane changes, tailgating, not signaling right hand turns, and CARS not
stopping for stop signs, not stopping for people in cross walks, etc.

        >Besides, one would bet that the obedience is more due to
        >visibility.  Biker's CAN'T speed...and cars are a bit more
        >conspicuous cruising down the wrong side of the road.

Maybe true, but I'd bet if all vehicle operators knew they would
automatically suffer the exact damage they inflicted to others,
(including death), it would be automobile drivers that would make the
big change.  Driving a big car would no longer be protection from
incompetance.

And yes, I have 3 insured cars.  They are full of gas, and I pay taxes
on all of them.  I ride my bike to work because I enjoy it.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Light Bike Seats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:42:18 GMT

In article <uJyViB3w164w@student.business.uwo.ca> k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
>Flite Carbon, Titanio, or Turbomatic.  I want to use a light seat on my 
>track bike but I'm worried because this nike transmits shocks like crazy 
>and there are no smooth velodomes to be had near me.  If people could 

Don't worry.  Your ass is a lot softer than any of the material in the
saddle and it will absorb the shock not the saddle.  This is like the
"soft" frame question where in reality the tires are the only thing
absorbing the shock.  As long as it fits the only thing that matters is
the tire pressure.
  Any by the way there is a track in Deli.  The 50mi trip out will give
you time to warm up :-)
 // Eric 
 //  Reality is for those who can't stand science fiction.
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:14:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.16190235
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, dittrich@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich) writes:

>  >I dunno, any body got any other crash stories with clipless'?
>  >or maybe that's just me...(ever keeled over at a stop?)
> 
> A better question might be:  
> 
> Are there any clipless users out there who have NEVER keeled over at a stop?

Yes, in 4 years of using them I've never fallen over with clipless pedals.  
On the other hand, I fell at least 4-5 times with clips and cleats because
I had to stop suddenly and couldn't get my hand down fast enough to release
the toe strap.  I still don't see why some people think it's so difficult or 
unnatural to learn to click your foot out sideways instead of up and out.  

Some people do have problems, though - last year I went out on a ride
with a friend who just put SPD's on his mtb.  He's the best technical mtb'er
I've ever seen - he's won the Colorado observed trials series (modified and
stock), and he took 3rd in the 1991 World MTB Championships.
Anyway, much to my surprise, he fell over at least 3 times because he 
wasn't used to clicking out of the spuds.  Much to his chagrin, the last
time he fell over he fell into a cactus and had to spend 10 minutes
pulling cactus needles from his derriere - ouch!!

Keith Erskine
From: dittrich@aludra.usc.edu (MotrinMan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cycling Computers
Date: 6 Apr 1992 01:34:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: Recomendations

In article <1992Apr5.190643.1233@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> bdombrow@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Brent Dombrowski) writes:
 >	I am thinking about buying a cycling computer.  I am not looking for 
 >anything really fancy.  If it tells me how far I've gone and how long I've 
 >been going, I'll be happy.  If anyone has any recomendations on particular 
 >models or manufactures, please e-mail me the info.  I would also like prices
 >in the info.

A good source for this info is a Performance catalog, which can be obtained
free by calling 1-800-PBS-BIKE.  They have a chart with all the features
and pretty good prices.  But if you can find one locally near the same price
listed in the catalog, buy it local and save on shipping (and time).
-- 
 ____________________________________________________________
|Matt Dittrich, a.k.a. MotrinMan| "Strange is your language  |
|        dittrich@usc.edu       |  and I have no decoder..." |
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Inelson@bohemia.metronet.org (Ian Nelson)
Subject: Re: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Organization: Bohemia BBS System
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:26:34 GMT

The best advice I have heard on the subject of putting your bike on a plane was to get a big "Navy" bag (the kind ex-sailors and sailors going on vacation 
carry..) and take you bike apart and put it in that.  I know two people who do 
this regularly and have never been caught.  Another bit of advice I have heard,
but don't know how it works is to put it in a box and label it "camping supplies
"  that way you have an aliby for any noise it makes.  (You should also ask 
about the weather where you're going, campers always want to know about that..)
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 700x20 vs. 700x2? tires
Keywords: flat, flat, flat
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:00:16 GMT

In article <1211@seqp4.sequoia.com> jcurtis@seqp4.sequoia.com (John Curtis) writes:
>Hi. - I'm riding on 700x20 tires now on a pair of
>Mavic Open-4CD rims.  I weigh 190 lb.s and experience
>a reasonable number of flats if I keep the tire pressure
>consistently at 120 p.s.i.  I'd like to reduce the 
>number of flats -
>
>	1. If I go to 700x25 mm tires, will this 
>		reduce the number of flats significantly?
>		I'd guess that 50% of my flats are snake-bite.

You weigh 190 lbs. and are riding on 700x20's??!!  Man, get some meat
on those wheels!  700x20's are for the fly-weights.  No wonder you are
having so many pinch-flats.  Use at least a 700x23, maybe even a 700x25
(depending on the model).  You won't notice that much difference in
performance (speed, acceleration, ect.) but your pinch flats will
be cut down to nill.  I weigh 165 lbs. and I wouldn't use any thing
narrower than a 700x23 except for possibly a time-trial on smooth
pavement.
-John
From: ooo@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (paul.d.schmitter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Stupid Huffy Ad
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:13:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Anybody else see the new Huffy TV commercial?  The riders are wearing
the now requisite helmets, but their seats are so low that I'm surprised
they don't get black eyes from their knees hitting their heads.  When
will the marketing types learn; or do they already know and they're just
trying to accurately represent the Huffy-buying public?

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| AT&T Bell Labs |		  			   |  (708) 979-5636  |
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From: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bicycle Computer w/HRM
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com

Are there any bicycling computers on the market that have all the
usual functions (speed, distance, cadence, ect.) plus a heart rate
monitor?  I think that Ciclomaster (sp?) might make one but I have not
seen this model in any of the mail-order catalogs.  Any info would be
greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
-John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Organization: CSI Dept., University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:47:59 GMT

This morning, I woke up to a nice and beautiful, bright... SNOWY DAY!!!!!

!@^&*)(!@$^&(!@%^&)!@#$^&)(#!%&*()!#&*()!@&*) $!@&*) @!*)%&%*!$&&$@! !!!!!!

The bloody snow was reflecting light into my room.  I thought it was sunny!

!@$^&*)%@!^#@^&$)@!$^!&%)@&*$@!*(&$_(*!@&%^&$)@!^&*)%^ !@&*$)&@!$  !!!!!!

5" (13 cm) so far... more to come.

-- 
Ken Iisaka  kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca | Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do.
Artificial Intelligence Laboratory | I'm half crazy over the love of you.
      University of Ottawa, Canada | It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't
         (613) 564-8155 / 789-2932 | afford a carriage,
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Terrible Two
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:02:51 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: ca
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
> I just mailed off my registration for the Santa Rosa Cycling Club's Terrible
> Two double century: 211 miles with 15,000' of climbing.
> 
> Has anyone on the net done this ride before?  What am I getting myself into?

I have not done the Terrible Two yet.  But my double century cronies
who have done it all say the same thing.  It's the hardest double
century they know of.  Harder than Climb to Kaiser, harder than TOTF,
way harder than Markleville.

Good luck, and I hope this isn't your first double.

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
From: Tim.Cahill@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Tim Cahill)
Sender: USENET@p0.f2.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What Is Citrus-Based Degreaser?
Date: 08 Apr 92  10:02:49 CST

And I thought it was my after shave.

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: markd@cup.hp.com (Mark_Donohoe)
Subject: Re: Indexing on an old MtB
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:43:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu) writes:
<some text deleted>
: One of my friends has a Schwinn MtB that's about 5 years
: old, and he wants to upgrade some of the compontents.  More specifically,
: he wants to put index shifting on the bike in place of the original
: friction shifting that came with the bike.  He would like to do this 
: without having to replace the rear derrailuer.  The derailluer does not
: give a model marking such as DX or XT, but here's what it does say.
: 
:                       Shimano
:                       Light action shifting
: 
: It's all metal, unlike some of the current components that use plastic.
: He wants to know if the current DX above bar shifters will work with this
: derailluer.  Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.
: 
I tried to do this with my wife's specialized rock hopper (bought the year
before index shifting came out).  I was told by the bike machanic (who I 
trust), that it wasn't an issue for the derrailuer but the free wheel.
I would have had to go to a 6 cog freewheel, and that meant rebuilding and
dishing out the rear wheel, and it might not even be possible (for lots of
technical reasons I didn't understand) and it would cost $$.  Better to
buy a new rear wheel with the proper parts...that still meant replacing the
shifters as well.

This seems to ring true, as I am using a DX derrailuer on my road bike and
it uses standard friction shifting (I have a triple).

Hope that helps.

--MD
-- 
Mark Donohoe (markd@cup.hp.com)
(telnet 1-447-7115)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:03:33 GMT

zzz@erg.sri.com (Michael J. Konopik) writes:
>But unless you can demonstrate a deliberate hand, they're still accidents.

Basically, we agree, but there's still a lot of latitude between crashing your
car with the express intent to kill someone and crashing your car because
space aliens materialized in your path.

Are deaths resulting from (parents) leaving loaded guns with children
"accidents"?  Or the responsibility of the parents?  Or maybe both, depending
upon how you are defining that word.

Mike
-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Ringmaster, Boelter Hall Roach Circus--
I saw a commercial on television the other day which began, "Southern
California--there's no place in the world quite like it."  Kind of like
saying, "Grant's tomb--only one person ever buried there."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:20:40 -0400 
From: Erik K Lobeck <el1p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MANITOU lightening

Who has experience with GetQuickerQuickByGettingManitouForxLighter kits
such as those produced by DGI and so forth which claim to bring the forx
down in weight by a pound.  Also, how much W8 does the SRP MANITOU Ti
bolt kit trim?  Is it a lot or just a yuppie toy?  How much W8 would a
titanium steerer tube save?  (I have a 1" dia. *" length tube.)  Answers
would be much appreciated.


                                                            ERIK

..und die Jahre ziehen ins Land und wir trinken immer noch ohne Verstand...
                                            -TOTEN HOSEN
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: goose@twinsun.com (Jennifer Bing Zheng)
Subject: Re: Running down bicyclists
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:34:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.032126.3890@uunet.uu.net!trintex> elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training) writes:
>
>When the cops showed up, they were loath to take
>her bike (they tried to make the ambulance driver take it).  When she
>had recovered enough to pick her bike up from the precinct, the officer
>who returned it gave her a lecture -- "You must be crazy to ride your
>bike in this neighborhood."  

Does anybody else out there care for such a cop?  I sure don't!
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