From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 15 Nov 92 02:58:17 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

After reading everything and re-reading a few things to make sure of
some facts I have finally decided which side I favor in this
"discussion". 

In article <1992Nov9.203151.3252@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:
> >That's the problem with you, Dave... What will be your next charge when the
> >current one doesn't suit your point any more ?...
> 
> Anything that I can find of substance. My central point still stands.
> R.m.s readers do not want their name changed. 

Then they shoulda voted it down Dave.  They had the chance.  Yes the
Subject: line could have been more specific but the vote WAS conducted
according to the guidelines.  Right or wrong, like it or not, NO rules
were broken. 

> >Let's face it, people. D.Lawrence and R.Kulawiec (sp?) conducted a perfectly
> >correct voting process, 
> 
> Not entirely correct. The point has been made that the CFV was not entirely
> clear. 

Dave, "not clear" != "not entirely correct". 

> >and you (David) have been jumping from argument to
> >argument in a desperate attempt to make your point come trough. 
> 
> Damn straight. 

And, at this point, damn tiresome. 

> >less and less convincing. NOW LISTEN.You do one of two things:
> >   a) Issue a formal CFD on the appropriate groups for renaming 
> >      r.m.m.s back to r.m.s.
> 
> Done.

Good. Can we drop this now and get back to normal around here? 

> >   b) Shut up and accept the vote 
> 
> Never. My site will not rmgroup r.m.s.

It's your site and you can do what you want with it. Hopefully your CFD
and CFV will do exactly what you want so nothing will be missed at your
site. If it doesn't, well, there have already been suggestions on how
Waffle can deal with aliasing to your outdated group. If you DO get what
you want, I sincerely hope you won't do something silly like gloat all
over the place. On the other side if you DON'T get what you want I hope
nobody on the opposite side of your opinion has the poor taste to rub
your nose in it. 

> >one more I want to add. I think that most of the noise around the renaming
> >started with Joe Macmahon's (sp?) cry that the connection between 
> >rec.music.synth and SYNTH-L would be lost. 
> 
> True. SYNTH-L goes to a lot of places. That would truly be a shame that a
> few control freaks have ruined it for the rest of that list. 

Dave, a vote was held in accordance with the guidelines.  You cast your
vote according to the guidelines.  Your side lost and the group r.m.s. 
will be removed according to the guidelines.  YOU didn't like the vote
results.  YOU have been screaming your head off about unfairness and how
you want the vote overturned and held again, AND you won't honor the
results if they are allowed to stand.  Now who is the control freak
here? Your choice of words isn't helping in the least. 

Have your discussion, then hold your vote.  BUT! It will be a closely
watched vote in view of how much you have screamed about the previous
one.  I honestly wish you luck with it.  Conduct it according to the
guidelines and accept the decision even if it ultimately goes against
your personal wishes.  Then when it's all over, or even before, lets
have polite and CONSTRUCTIVE discussions about possibly modifying the
guidelines. Flamefests don't do much but raise the message count without
anything of substance being said. 

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