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From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Doug Barney is the Antichrist (AW Lies: The Sequel)
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:56:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep6.035604.25619
Organization: Redmond Institute for Big Lawns and Fountains

In article <js1yfqc@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.011946.2979@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>Now he's gone and done it. Nothing but blasphemous lies (not to
>>mention gutteral sounds, the occasional spinning head and a some
>>projectal pea soup thrown in for good measure).
>>
>>On page 44 of the October 1992 edition of Amiga World, Doug Barney
>>states:
>>
>>     "Since its release, the Amiga 500 has been Commodore's
>>      best-selling CPU, giving users multitasking, sound and
>>      great graphics for the price of a good, used moped."
>>
>>I don't know about the rest of the world, but demographically speaking,
>>my area is rife with authorized moped dealers. I have yet to see
>>an Amiga 500 system comparably priced with a second-hand moped.
>>Obviously this is a desperate act of a disillusioned journalist.
>
>Oh, come on! What is this, hate Doug Barney month?? for god's sake, we're
>quibbling over MOPED prices now! This is getting out of hand. Ever heard of 
>the concept of FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE???

Well... it's not hate Doug Barney month...  I think it's more "hate Doug
Barney decade."  Guy Wright with all of his existential, acid-crazed 
meandering:  "I think that, like, there will be a great coming together of
the telecommunications Zeigeist, and this massive convergence of consciousness
will, like, make screens more colorful and, like, terminal programs easier
to use."  Now Guy Wright really bugged me.  The only editorial I ever saw 
in AW that I could tolerate was the one where he printed a letter from a 
reader in its entirely with a glorious minimum of his own input.  But, Barney...
Barney is somehow even worse...  he's got that imbecilic fan rally, foaming
at the mouth rah-rah pep czar tone, which he liberally mixes with deep 
and credible insights like "I don't think GVP's livelihood is dependent on
good Amiga sales," and it drives me crazy...

We now return to hate Boug Darney Day on the Discovery Channel...

>
>Geez...
>
>Nobody cares that I am...
>    -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuse/Doc Ami!


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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Doug Barney is the Antichrist (AW Lies: The Sequel)
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 92 20:38:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>>I don't know about the rest of the world, but demographically speaking,
>>my area is rife with authorized moped dealers. I have yet to see
>>an Amiga 500 system comparably priced with a second-hand moped.
>>Obviously this is a desperate act of a disillusioned journalist.
>
>Oh, come on! What is this, hate Doug Barney month?? for god's sake, we're
>quibbling over MOPED prices now! This is getting out of hand. Ever heard of 
>the concept of FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE???
>
>Geez...
>
>Nobody cares that I am...
>    -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuse/Doc Ami!

Well it's a moot point anyway. Barney has left Amiga World and is
working for InfoWorld now. 

Harv
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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:30:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.040738.20004@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>>	What if you can install the AA into existing Amigas?
>
>     Fine, just make sure you can install it in all those A500's and A600's
>  out there.  They make up more then 80% of the Amiga market.  If not, what
>  are you left with?  20% of 3.5 million, or 700000 potential machines.  And
>  thats assuming all those non A500 or A600 Amigas are upgraded to the AA
>  chipset.  Game companies already have a hard time selling games for the
>  Amiga, now you want to divide the Amiga market by 5.  I don't think Access
>  will ever bother.  Especially since Commodore is probably going to gouge
>  the Amiga consumer for its AA chipset.  We have have already seen the
>  future of Amiga prices with 040 A3000T's selling for $6000.  

One Question:

Who were the people who developed for the original Amiga 1000?  Back in 
1985, when I first got an amiga, there weren't many Amigas around, but I 
still could get software.  They found it profitable to produce when there 
was much less computers than there is today.  Why wouldn't a company develop 
a game for a new system/platform?  It wouldn't be too hard too implement a 
version where the IBM VGA/SVGA graphics were converted to Amiga graphics on 
the fly?  The basic game engine would be the same, but the graphic display 
routines might be a bit different.

Has software become so expensive to produce that you need a market of 10 
million potential purchasers to produce a title?  Golly, you can still get 
new titles for the Commodore 64 and Spectrum computers over in England.  
Besides, I still have Vic-20 games that I still like playing.  So I don't 
expect every single software title to be available for my machine.  Not 
every single game is made for the IBM, some NeoGeo, SNES and Megadrive 
software springs to mind.  Although, most of the strategy and adventure 
software that I prefer look better with colourful, but static screens.  I'm 
getting to old and slow to play shoot-em-up's nowadays.

>
>							G.Greene

Just my thoughts (flakey as they are).


Jim


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Lots of code?
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:10:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
>>
>>That's a moronic comment, Mike.  Greater sophistication implies greater
>>code size, which in turn implies a higher chance of bugs.  It doesn't work
>>backwards; take a logic course.
>
>Had to comment on this :)  Jerry, Jerry, Jerry ... If greater code
>size implied a higher chance of bugs, why do we use High Level
>Languages?
>

To reduce the code size, of course.  I was talking about source code; I
thought that was obvious.

>
>   1) HLL's have a one to many lines of code generation facility,
>      whose premise is:
>
>   2) Reducing programmer errors through machine generated, verifable
>      code.
>

Yes.  So?

>
>Your 'logic' fails, because the # of lines of code does not imply
>human introduced bugs, (libraries/toolkits..etc... have to be taken
>into account).
>

Like I said, I was talking about source code, including the source code
for the libraries, etc.

>
>Also, depending upon the programming methodology
>in use, QA/program correctness should be verified before a
>SINGLE line of code is written, (Check out E. Dikstra).  I realize
>that many companies don't practice software engineering,
>

That's incredible.  So a company that did Real Software Engineering (tm)
wouldn't ever need debuggers, revision tools, or any other software except
a compiler, which they'd run once per project, right?  Charles, you ought
to try living in the real world.

>
>but that
>doesn't excuse the lack of discipline.  Therefore your comment to
>Mike is moronic, Jerry.
>

No, just realistic.

>
>(As an aside check out the aerospace
>industry where MILLIONS of lines of bug free code are busily keeping
>fly-by-wire vehicles/probes/satellites etc... humming along on
>critical missions.
>

And it all worked on the first try, right?  I mean, they never had
to debug it with simulators, right?

>
>Charles C. Bundy IV
>
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From: levi@galoob.cs.utk.edu (David Levi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: levi@galoob.cs.utk.edu (David Levi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

>this -- about 4 dealers per 4 million peopleor so, with 250 million people in
>the U.S. total -- we get:
>
>  4 dealers 
>---------------- * 250 million == 250 dealers
>4 million people

Well, here in Knoxville and the surrounding areas (pop. around 400,000 - 500,000),
we have a total of 3 dealers.  Hmmmmm, let's use your formula with that:
    3 dealers
----------------- * 250 million == 1500 dealers
 500000 people

Give me a break!  Quit blithering nonsense!
-- 
-Dave Levi     levi@cs.utk.edu
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:18:29 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Sep13.030045.12616@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <18rh75INNpga@aludra.usc.edu> dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>> Second, there still may be 32bit SCSI on the motherboard. They are 
>> still working on the scsi, and havn't decided whether to put it
>> in a zorro or what.  The marketing guy said that they very well
>> might put it on the MB.
>
>PLEASE. IDE is a whimpering horror, a mutant cross between SCSI and ST506,
>with some of the advantages of SCSI along with all the disadvantages of ST506.
>
>Actually, it's worse than ST506... at least with ST506 you can build a 4 drive
>controller (though you have to set the jumpers on the drive instead of using
>the twisted cable kludge).

The twisted cable on the IBM PC floppy and hard disk controllers is a
kludge for the convience of the customer.  It is only needed because
IBM chose to ship addon drives all set to the same lun.  This saved them
part numbers, and saved configuration hassles for the customer.  A normal
straight cable can be used if the drives are set for lun 1 and lun2 rather
that setting both to 1.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:51:53 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <92250.195010DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <raymondu.1d8q@terapin.com>, raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
>says:
>
>>   I agree with your peeve that publishers often put an incorrect default
>>tool.
>> Since not every Amiga has the SYS:Utilites drawer in their path, I submit
>>that
>>every developer with a README file should place the following argument in the
>>default tool:
>
>>   DEFAULT TOOL:  Sys:Utilities/More
>
>Developers who don't want tech support headaches (and frustrated single-drive
>users) use ":c/more".

Sorry.  If someone copies the file to another disk...guess what...
:C/MORE doesn't work anymore!  (unless you're going to guarentee
one on every disk!)

We can't cater to single-floppy users.  That is ridiculous.  There
is nothing wrong with assuming that the system files & drawers are
available.

Use what is standard.  That's sys:utilities/more.  If you don't
like the C= text viewer, replace it with something else (calling
it more).

But think a little bit about what MOST people do... they copy things
to other places (usually their hard disk, I would think).  Relative
pathnames wil fail.  Absolute pathnames pointing to the disk the stuff
was ORIGINALLY on will fail.

Before I had a hard disk, I used RAD: (bootable ram disk) to store
my system files in fast ram.  SYS:UTILITIES/MORE works great there, too.

Anyone who only has a single floppy drive and not-enough ram
to use a ram disk...well, there's just nothing developers can do
to keep such a machine from being a headache.  They also aren't
serious about using their computer.  After all, how much does that
second floppy cost these days?
From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FLASH a4000 price
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:35:38 GMT
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:

>=	Speaking of the A4000 and mail order companines, does Commodore allow
>=   you to buy the higher-end Amigas through mail order now?  I know for a 
>=   long time only the A500 seemed to be available through it.
>=
>	If they get it through Mericel then what's C= going to do? Anybody
>	with a Mericel account can get any Amiga they want, that's the
>	POINT of the Mericel deal...

Correct. For a very long time there, only the A500 was available through
general distribution. Now though, the 2000 and 3000/T systems are available
through a pretty large number of distributors. I also got some form of letter from CBM recently having to do with quotas on sales and an account number to be
used on any purchases. The gist of it was that equipment purchased from
any distributor went towards the quota as long as they were provided with
this number to credit the dealer with.


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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Perot
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.015414.23703@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>dleslie@koh-sun1.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>
>>>Just curious, no offense...
>
>>>would you mind clarifying what exactly do you mean by important countries?
>
>>>I really want to know.
>
>>>Yours Sincerely,
>>>Kelvin
>
>>	How about 'important' is a having an impact on the world? Or
>>making a difference in the history of mankind?
>
	Like Nazi ? Important is not always good. As for the US and it's 
affect on the world .. let history judge. We will just concentrate on
the Good old amiga and it's history making AA chip set :-)
There are appropriate groups for your kind.

	George

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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:36:58 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Sep6.221221.25652@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>>
>>>Idealy, interlaced video mode should only be used when doing video work,
>>>all other times it'll just put unnecessary strains on the eyes.
>>
>>As interlace reduces flicker this can't be true.
>>
>
>I think you've got your facts backwards.

No, he doesn't.  Two displays, one interlaced, one not, both painting
their scan lines 60 times a second... the interlaced display will
make 2 passes over it's vertical field in the same time it takes the
non-interlaced one to do one.

Ergo, assuming the same phospors, brightness, contrast, etc, the
interlaced display will have less perceivable flicker than the
non-interlaced one.

This is with 60 FRAMES/second (interlaced = 120 FIELDS/second).

The Amiga outputs (in 640x400) 30 FRAMEs/second and 60 FIELDS/second,
so some flicker can be seen.  But a non-interlaced display at 30
FRAMES/second would be much worse.

>
>>
>>Michael van Elst
>>
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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:20:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <N7yTqB8w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>A reply to mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas):

-> Or for reasons of national security.  Corporate America is why this country
-> is as prosperous as it is.  Now liberals like you have screwed that up,
-> by your constant bashing and funneling money to non-productive causes.

>Like children and education, that's non-productive...

-> It was the USSR that militarily took over small countries. We don't do that.
-> We only become involved when it's an issue of national security, and
-> we always give the country back.  You're really confused with these
-> issues.

>No you just throw over a democratic goverment with military force and
>replace it with military dictatorship. And what's "national security" seems
>often to be the same thing as US companies can't make enough profit in that
>country...

>I'm proud to be non-american!

 I think there are a lot of people who are glad that you are not american.
 With more americans like you(we have enough) we would probably be as
 unimportant a country as Sweeden.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:10:16 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Sep14.101649.26047@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Sep11.033424.17056@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>The 5000/200s seem too pricey for the whopping 23 MIPS they have.  Other
>>workstations using the R3000 (Personal Iris, MIPS Magnum, etc.) are decently
>>cheaper than the DEC.  In the same price range, I was thinking of the
>>IBM RS/6000 models.  Performance (from what i've read in BYTE) is comparable
>>to better, and is cheaper.         
>
>Other R3000 machines are indeed faster. I had the chance to benchmark a
>base Indigo with surprising results :-) It however would have been more
>expensive for us. DEC pricing seems to vary a bit..
>
>We also tested RS/6000s. Can you say: ugly ? (Maybe they did improve
>the machine in the meantime..).

Do you mean physically?  They look likr fat PS/2s.

>Michael van Elst
>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC - A4000 - sunga rattef
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:25:38 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <18v8p9INNoh0@aludra.usc.edu> dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
> Yes, exactly. Like an A3000, without the 030, and with an 040 card in the 
> cpu slot.

How much is the 040 card by itself?

> >I'd REALLY like to see some GOOD justification for IDE instead of SCSI.

> Their justification is simple, cost reduction.

They could reduce the cost a lot more simply by leaving off the AT slots,
and it'd be a better place to save money. So, that's not a good justification.

> The fact that they haven't finsihed their 32bit scsi(R&D
> budget????) may have played a part as well.

The existing SCSI would be better than IDE, so that doesn't make sense.
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From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:18:57 GMT


 more than 256 cols with AGA

Someone asked whether the only way of getting >256 cols on AGA was with
HAM and HAM8...

Yes. BUT remember HAM and HAM8 are now available in *all* resolutions!!!
I think you'd have to look real close to see fringeing on 640*200/400
let alone 1280*200/400 HAM! Also, HAM8 has 64 base colours, that is 64
`pure' colours, which seems plenty enough to help minimize fringeing...

								- JIM CAD*
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From: taylorm@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: DCTV help needed: HEEEELLLLLPPP!!
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:58:27 GMT

Hi, I have an Amiga 3000/25 and DCTV, and have a few tips for fast animation
with it.  If you must have full screen animation there are a few sacrifices
you have to make.  Apparent resolution is a product of screen resolution,
colour, and speed.  I you give up some of the first two, the speed of the
resulting animation can make up for it.  The following will speed up
animations:

1. Turn off overscan.  If you do this, you will only have to move 69% as much
   information.

2. Switch to 3-bit plane mode.  You will never notice the difference if you
   are doing something fast like a canyon fly through.  You will notice the
   drop in colour though, if you have an object which is stationary or moving
   very slowly.  You only have to move 75% as mush data in this mode.

3. Switch to a non-interlace mode.  I'm not sure about the quality of
   non-interlace for recording.  You might want to run dolace, or some such
   program before recording.  Once again, the drop in resolution is only
   noticeable in object with little or no motion.  You only have to move 50%
   as much data.

So, if you use all three, you have 26% as much data as an overscan, interlace
full colour animation.  Once again, this is assuming that you are doing a
full screen movement style animation.  Using all three of these tips, I get
at least 25 fps no matter how complicated the animation is.  I have an
animation created by digitising all the frames of the sceen in Robinhood where
the arrow flies through the trees, and it looks like a video tape (minus the
overscan).  Remember, film is only 24 frames per second, as is PAL video.  That
is all you need for convincing motion.

I hope I was of some help.

                                                              /\/\ike Taylor
                                         mataylor@math.undergrad.waterloo.edu
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