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From: I.Rutson@bradford.ac.uk (Ian Rutson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: A holiday (perhaps) for A.S.Holiday
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:06:03 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91722908@muser

hoop@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Don Hooper) writes:

>Though the "holiday" part of ash is usually overlooked, today
>is a "red letter day" of sorts, when we could honor the memory
>of a great artist.

>Today, July 29, is the 102nd anniversary of the suicide of 
>Vincent van Gogh.  

>It just seems like something ASH might like to know.  ;)
>-- 
>Don Hooper,   hoop@noaacrd.colorado.edu


Well I think that in tribute we should all get out out copies of
'Vincent' by Don McLean, and play them real loud!  Great record!


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From: mordea@terapin.com (Annie Benson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Black Tuesday
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:05:08 GMT
Organization: BBS


   Man, this is a depressing newsgroup.  You people should either lighten up or
off yourselfs.  If you choose to do the later, wait till November, vote for
Clinton so the rest of us have something to live for, then do it.
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From: tac10@isuvax.iastate.edu (Set)
Subject: ah, Lucifudge (was re: male/female thang)
Reply-To: tac10@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:37:11 GMT

	Thankyou for the crosspost. Ill bet your little fingers are
a-twitching, eyes a-glinting with salacious joy as a vast host
of idiots put digits to keyboard, knees jerking spasticly, and
spew their waste unto this group.
	Unfortunately, your rash comment holds a rasher of truth and
bitterness. Enough people, whether they admit it or not, subscribe
to your dubious truism, and live their pathetic bartered lives
accordingly.
	I doubt, however, that most women are prostitutes. I certainly
would not act, or tolerate any partner who behaved so. It is an
area wherin dwell stunted and impoverished souls.
	It seems you adhere to a view (sexist, obviously; most things
that require the distinction between male and female nessesarily
are) wherein women are superior to men, possesing a certain
irrefutable power over them. Others have their own petty opinons
about superiority, and the sex of god. I beleive both sexes are
abysmal losers, thrashing about in the viscera of their own fears
and inadaquacies, salivating at the bell, and victems of their
self perpetuated damning cultures.
	To beleive that god is anthropomorphic, let alone possessed of
a gender, is small minded and faintly rediculous, but that tends
to describe humanity, and all their misguided beleifs...
	Sigh, Ive carried on and digressed enough; I only ment to
castigate Lucifuge breifly.

Set
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Depressed=submissive
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:31:54 GMT

"Death has far too short a fuse...live."
 
Someone read that in my .sig and suggested I post it here.  
 
It is my "mantra".  Death will come soon enough, no need bringing it
about any sooner than you have to.  If you feel like shit in your
current condition...CHANGE it.  It's really not that difficult.  Even
the most severely handicapped or "downtrodden" can escape if they have
one shred of independence in their bones.  
 
Hate your city/job/environment? Move.  No money?  Go nomadic.
Hate your reputation/personality?  Overhaul.
 
Many people give up before trying.  I have.  I was depressed (still am,
sometimes...less frequently, though)...but I just started DOing instead
of making excuses as to why/how I couldn't.  I believe that if more
people DID instead of just talking about it...this would be a
better/happier world.  
 
I'm happy to be alive and will extend my life as far as I can.
Cryonics, electronic-personality-save, etc.  
 
I understand the sentiments of dealing with
"job/work/education/pressure"...I am currently officially un-employed,
but I am doing several freelance illustration projects and working
(volunteer) on a local newspaper called SOUND.  I don't want to get a
job that I won't enjoy...and so far I've held out.  I may do it to get
money....but I will see it as that and not as an eternal repression.
Use your resources and free yourself.  Even the poorest of us could
survive on a garden's givings and water (though I doubt many of us with
INTERNET access are that poor).
 
Get going.
 
...e
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|        Newspaper and netzine | Death has far too short a fuse, live!
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:52:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.020044.6936@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>By the way, my question remains to be answered.  "Is suicide illegal in
>California?"  I'd like to know the answer just for my own curiosity.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  You might find your answer if you posted this question to misc.legal
e.k.
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From: jon@MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: Male-Female relationships explained
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:14:14 GMT


In article <1992Jul19.224739.22416@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, schumann@beaner.cs.wisc.edu (Christopher Schumann) writes:
> In article <1992Jul18.190432.26285@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy) writes:
> <munch>
> >Yes, but look at what newsgroups this point of view leads you to.
> >
> >:)
> 
> For even more fun, "finger" this guy for his .plan.
> 
> Real cheery fellow.

I did finger 'ol Lucifuges account.  Neat stuff.  Why would anyone think
of him as anything but cheery.  I thought the piano wire stuff was
hilarious.

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From: morishig@jell-o.berkeley.edu (Nina Morishige)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Suicide Pacts
Date: 23 Jul 1992 07:38:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jell-o.berkeley.edu

Hello, I've been reading this group for a few months, and I've
noticed that a lot of these depressed English people who contribute 
are from the North... Bradford, Leeds, etc... by any chance, 
this isn't related to the YCC's poor form in recent years, is it?
You could try moving to Middlesex?

On a quite serious note, I've been wondering a lot about a number of
ethics issues related to suicide for the past year. One big problem
I have is the following topic. I know this group seems to condone suicide,
but what do you think of suicide + murder? Or maybe that should
more correctly be something like suicide + euthanasia. I'm not talking about
the cases where murder seems to be the primary motive, e.g. man kills
ex-girlfriend, then kills himself; or, Rambo blows away ex-boss before killing
himself. I'm thinking of cases where you don't feel able to keep
living, but you have someone whose existence is very dependent on your own.
E.g. mother kills toddler before killing herself; or perhaps along similar
lines of reasoning, old woman specifies in will that favourite pet will be put
down upon the event of her death. Or, suppose it involves a relationship
where both parties are on a more equal footing, and one party
feels suicidal. Should he/she try to talk the other into a suicide pact? 
Or, if you know your SO wanted to die (but was in perfect physical health),
would you help him/her to do so? Then would you be able to live with
yourself afterwards, or would you feel compelled to kill yourself as well?
This is an issue which I can't seem to discuss rationally with anyone, 
except maybe as a joke.  I didn't even realise that suicide alone 
was illegal here for a long time, but I imagine suicide pacts are also 
a definite no-no.

Any comments would be welcome. I'd prefer e-mail as I find it kinda
difficult to discuss a lot of painful (for me) issues in a public forum.
Sorry if this topic has already been debated in the past.  


Thanks,
Nina
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Winter Depression?
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:36:29 GMT

In article <92210.024040U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu (Brady Woodward) writes:
>I have been on this group for almost a year now, and I have been
>noticing a distinctively changed tone on the group during the late
>spring and summer months as opposed to late fall and winter and
>early spring.  The group now seems to discuss abstract issues of
>suicide more and the tone seems to be lighter with more humor.
>There do not seem to be as many posts regarding
>actual personal suicidal situations pending and imminent.

    It is possible you are right and it is also possible that since you
have heard of Seasonal Affective Disorder that you are paying attention
only to data that supports your theory.  (Noticing the suicidal notes more
in the winter and the abstract discussions more in the summer.)  The only
way to really put your hypothosis to the test is to actually keep a running
tabulation of the posts and categorize them as to depressive content, abstract
discussion, or humor poetry.  While the categorizing would be somewhat
subjective and open to your bias it would still be a pretty good study.
The results of something like that (say covering a year or twos time) would
be pretty interesting to see.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:40:51 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.183433.11586@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
> 
> Suicide may be illegal, but they can't punish you for it.  :^)

But they CAN punish you for failing!  ;^)
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: skhill@lars.acc.stolaf.edu (Sharon K Hill)
Subject: to a St.Olaf alumnus/a
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:41:34 GMT

To the St.Olaf alumnus/alumna who wrote to the dean here after
reading my post:  that really wasn't necessary.  I have enough
trouble with that man without this added on.  Thanks for your
concern, but wouldn't it maybe be better to contact me than him?

-sharon
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 01:35:15 CDT
From: Brady Woodward <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Winter Depression?
 <1992Jul28.150054.8334@linus.mitre.org> <92211.015736U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
 <1992Jul29.161227.15697@linus.mitre.org>

In article <1992Jul29.161227.15697@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
(Stephen J. Okay) says:
>
>In article <92211.015736U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> Brady Woodward
><U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.150054.8334@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>>(Stephen J. Okay) says:
>>
>>>Well, for one thing, the Bradford crew isn't here...they're either
>>>dead  or home until the fall....
>>
>>Yes, this is a good point and it does take away one of the more
>>despondent posters.  I hope he feels better with some time off and away,
>>hopefully sitting in the sun.
>
>Horribly cruel and sadistic ASH-like thought:
>Lets run a net.pool on how many times we think he's going to try it this
>year and whether or not he'll succeed. I say more than 10 and no he won't.

This is pretty low ;)) at that but I can understand the idea.  I hope
he makes a miraculous recovery and overflows with insights and new
friends.  We'll check back on your bet in the fall.  Funny that even a
continuous suicidal state bores people after a while.  Still, the
fretting about it is better than if he actually did it I feel.  A larger
or stronger part of his personality seems to want to live than the part
that wants to end it.  Isn't that true for everyone?  It is a balancing
act I guess.  Lord of Life vs. Dr. Death or something in each of us. . . .

>>Let us all make a vow to outlaw November and February from the
>>calendar year.  :)))

>MY GOD!!!...I don't believe I'm going to say this but here goes
>(And remember folks, you heard it here first)
>Brady and I actually agree on something....
>*shudder*

This *is* quite an awesome event at that.  I had to sit down a minute
to keep from passing out myself when the realization hit.  ;-))))
Savor it!

Well, I think the entire group is more agreeable.  This substantiates
my winter depression theory.  We will be at each other's throats again
perhaps between Thanksgiving and Valentine's Day.  Look for it and
see if we can recognize it this year.  When the first fight breaks out
someone yell, "It's Winter Dperession!"

Brady

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  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:54:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Jul24.191651.16268@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>Is suicide illegal in California?

Exsqueeze me, but isn't this more than just a little stupid to ask?
If you're going to do it, then just take the plunge and get it over with....
Otherwise it just sounds like more attention-getting to me.

Think of it like this:
1. I've never known a law enforcement agency whose jurisdiction extends
beyond the grave.
2. If you screw up, you're going to have so much crap to deal with from
hospitals, shrinks, friends, etc., a cop or two is going to resolve themselves
into a mere courtesy detail and it isn't really going to matter one way or
another...

---Steve
-- 
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"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 08:38:04 EDT
From: <JOANNE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Thinking of you

From one coast to another: Michelle-how's it going? As you can read,
I'm still breathing.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Black Wednesday
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:43:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.142451.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, kupixel@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>   what is the point of this newsgroup?  you'd figger that after all this
>time you'd be a pile of cold dead bodies; why do you keep dragging out the
>inevitable?  and why's it a.s.holiday?  you expect the government to 
>memorialize the day(s) of your death(s)?   geez, get on with it--put 
>yourselves out of my misery.

hey--i recognize you--your the guy who was standing beneath the 
building downtown yelling "jump," right?  Doesn't anybody
have a long angst-filled morally relativistic sermonette to bore 
this guy to death with?  Quick tonto, get me my bore....
Some of us are just practicing our suicides on others first...
its kinda gory, cuz some of us tend to screw things up and do em wrong
and make em much more painful then they have to be...
wanna volunteer? <|-} --rich

>
>KUpixel@oread.cc.ukans.edu
>
>ps. god loves you.  do it.
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From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:56:31 GMT

Jason Flowers writes:

>	How come suicide is illegal???

Ask your religion teacher... or local christian priest... 

>	More government stupidity???

Not realy, but since most of the western world's laws are founed upon 
religion (the christian one) suicide is illegal... :-(((

\Ruben.


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From: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Subject: Re: Cars....
Reply-To: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd. CSC/UK
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:32:12 GMT



	Excuse my ignorance please. How can I get hold of the methods file?

	J

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From: U56503@uicvm.uic.edu (Brady Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Winter Depression?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:57:36 GMT
 <1992Jul28.150054.8334@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Jul28.150054.8334@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
(Stephen J. Okay) says:

>Well, for one thing, the Bradford crew isn't here...they're either
>dead  or home until the fall....

Yes, this is a good point and it does take away one of the more
despondent posters.  I hope he feels better with some time off and away,
hopefully sitting in the sun.

>As for SAD, I'm almost convinced that I am affected given the fact that
>I happen to get horribly depressed during the fall and winter, esp. here in
>Va. where its always so cold and dark and rainy during the winter. About the

Same thing here in Chi.  I get out my lights usually about the second
week in October, when I notice that I am losing interest in things that
were interesting to me only a week or two earlier.  I expect that at
higher longitudes this date is even sooner as there is less sun.

>only good thing about winter is the snow that lets me ski. November and
>February are particularily angstful and depressing months...

Yup!  That is the truth.  There are some researchers here that I know
who are working with people who have SAD badly.  They start their
study each year (using negative ions for one group and full-spectrum
light for the other group) in the middle of January.  There are also
many other symptoms that go with SAD such as weight gain or loss and
diminished sexual desire from what I have read on the subject; losing
interest in activities is another, and an increase in negative thinking
is yet another.  I find that things start to deteriorate in a very
insidious fashion and before you know it you are staring at the tube
and thinking that the world is totally hopeless.  I think if you
are aware of this tendency you can work to counteract it more.

Let us all make a vow to outlaw November and February from the
calendar year.  :)))

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  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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Newsgroups: wpi.students.voxhumana,alt.suicide.holiday,alt.prose,alt.personals
From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23)
Subject: rain
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 05:38:51 GMT

The clouds roll in from the distance
Dark and foreboding
Lights dance amongst them
The air becomes cold and unsettled
As if in fleeing before the coming storm
The sun is blotted from the sky
Night falls early
The sky rumbles as if the gods were at war
I stare transfixed
I do not feel the cold
I do not feel the wind
I do not fear the storm
I wait
One drop, two
Scouts, searching ahead, all is clear
The pace increases
All around is the sound of rain
Other noises are muffled, unimportant
I turn my face to the sky, facing the dark clouds
CRACK!
A bolt of light leaps to the ground and back to the heavens
It struck close, I feel the earth tremble
I walk barefoot through the grass, absorbing the sensations
Feeling the energy in the air, the living force that is nature
The rain washes over me
Lightening my spirit
I have lost the ability to cry
So nature does it for me
She cries for all those who do not understand
Those who never experience her beauty
Her power
I am soaked through
The rain comes hard now
Some of the drops have frozen
Ice pelts me with thousands of blows
It hurts, but not as much as I hurt inside
I reach out to the energies around me 
Pulling them into myself
Replacing those that life has stolen from me
I do not ask for much
And she gives freely
I do not fear her power
I do not worry 
I trust her
For I love her
I thank her for what she gives to me
The strength to go on
The love I need to care
And the humbleness I need to help others
The pace slackens
A few stragling drops fall upon my upturned face
Clouds run swiftly away
Stars peek through the dark veil
The winds calm
The storm has passed
I return to my life and await the next storm

-megazone, appreciating nature, 7/25/92
From: mordea@terapin.com (Annie Benson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Black Tuesday
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:45:08 PST
Organization: BBS

A classic example of someone who needs to lighten up.
    If you can get so worked up over anything I have to say then perhaps you
ought to just hit the spacebar whenever a post of mine comes up.
    I don't think of the privelege (sp?) of posting as an exersice in gaining
popularity.  I do not believe that everything has to he judged with utter
seriousness.  And I certainly don't believe that I have to prove the level of
my IQ to anyone on this board.  
    So post your critical reviews of my posts as freely as you want, Andy.  You
can take whatever I say as seriously as it pleases you.  But don't expect me to
take you in the same vein.
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