HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ams@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:28:27 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul21.200203.20658@dscomsf.desy.de>, 
hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
> 
> 
> I note that the first five replies in this thread were not protesting
> about the threat to press freedom but wanting more salacious details.
> What do you guys want, a gif of them copulating in alt.dirty.pictures?
> Fat smarmy tory git gets laid with curvaceous cutey, big deal. Ministers
> decide that this is proof that the press must be gagged is important
> though.
> 
Of course. On the principle that "Man bites dog" is news, while "Dog bites man"
isn't, it ought to be obvious that "MP finds mistress" is news, while
"Government runs out of money for election promises" isn't. Hence the front
pages of the comics^H^H^H^H^H^Htabloids for the last few days. It isn't serious
stuff, but it's extremely entertaining.

> Have other people noticed that the only cases that are claimed show the
> need for legislation to gag the press are when a member of the Cabinet
> or Royal family gets bad publicity from a true story?
> 
Yes.
> 
> Now we hear from Calvin Macenzie....

Kelvin Mackenzie. It's the difference between physics and theology.

>..., editor of "The Sun", which is sometimes refered to as a newspaper...

Not by anybody I know.

> ...that a Tory minister tried to
> persuade him to tell porkies about Paddy Ashdown during the election
> campaign. So the tory party considers it OK to tell lies about their
> opponents but not to have the truth said about them.
>

Of course. They're politicians. What do you expect, principles?
 
> 
> Phill Hallam-Baker


Michael.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: R4 LW going away (was Re: VNS: Wed 15-Jul-1992)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:22:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) snorts:

>evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>> The BBC are to start a 24-hour news service on their long wave
>> transmittors within the next 18 months once the Radio 4 FM service
>> can be heard across the whole country.

>I think that it all depends on what sort of news service they do. If
>it's like CNN, five minute buletins repeated every 15 interspersed with
>adverts and the Holywood five minutes, they can keep it.

If, as I suspect, P H-B refers to the TV coverage, this sniping is off-
target. The superficial news coverage (30-second to 3 minute bulletins
repeated every *half* [their term: lazy-speak for half-hour] interspersed
with adverts, `factoids', "the Hollywood Minute" and divers other trivia)
is indeed a CNN production, but this is "CNN Headline News".  The main
CNN coverage is another 24-hour channel, which has far more detailed
coverage of particular issues, with both direct news reporting and
longer-term review coverage (vaguely similar to "Panorama").

I would be inclined to suspect that a closer model for BBC 24-hour news
coverage would be the BBC world service.
-- 
John (Would you like your figgin toasted?) Francis  johnf@apollo.hp.com
The world can be divided into two classes :-
 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:18:05 GMT

In article <4762@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.044151.17048@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
|> >
|> >   No, but we're often told that if we simply metricized, we would
|> >   magically have standard-sized everythings.

|> 
|> I was under the impression (may be incorrect here) that this is because these
|> sizes are a *standard*, and that you will find the same sizes in use in
|> continental Europe. Certainly in my appt in Geneva, the plughole was clearly
|> marked as being 2" in diameter.

Are but you just can't trust these foriegn chappies with British measurements.

I mean we have the German pfund (500 grammes) and then there's the time I was writing a print spooler.  Printer did 6 lines per inch and the paper measured 12 Zoll (German inches), however it didn't measure 12 inches but 30 cm !!!  I 'phoned up the paper manufacture who said "ah Herr Georg, in Germany a Zoll is 25 mm !"

David.
From: rep3s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rick E. Provine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Lester James Peries
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:20:40 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Hi:

I am not a usual member of this group, but hope you can help me.

I am looking for the films of Lester James Peries on
videocassette.  He is a director from Sri Lanka often compared
to Ray of India.  Peries won a Golden Peacock award for his
film "Changes in the Village" in 1965.  He has made several
features and some documentary-style films in Sri Lanka.

If anyone knows of any way to acquire these works either
through channels here or directly from Sri lanka, your help
would be greatly appreciated.  I am running out of options.

I can use any format of videocassette, PAL, SECAM, NTSC.
Whatever.  Preferably 1/2 inch VHS.

Thanks in advance.
--
Rick E. Provine
Media Librarian
University of Virginia
rep3s@virginia.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.sri-lanka:854 soc.culture.thai:2252 soc.culture.turkish:7987
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: CFV: alt.us.visas
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:43:44 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

How about creating a group called alt.us.visas.  By the addition of this 
group we could help folks mostly interested in visa information from any 
country to get that information easily.  A FAQ will also be helpful. 
This will moderate many of the soc groups. 



**********************************************************************
               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
**********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: parva@csli.stanford.edu (Kanthasamy Parvathy)
Subject: Sri Lankans in Detroit
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:39:59 GMT


URGENT!!

I am trying to help a young Sri Lankan guy in Detroit and was
wondering whether there were any Sri Lankans there who could
help me find out more about the situation there.

Please send to: parva@csli.stanford.edu

Thank you.

Dr. (Mrs.) Parvathy Kanthasamy
From: fernandon@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Looking for a sri-lankan Friend !!!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:40:05 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


I am a postgrad student at University of Central Qeensland, Australia 

and would like to get in touch with Sri Lankans abroad & in the Motherland

Could you please let me know whether you have got any E_Mail addresses

in Sri Lanka.



Nilupa P. Fernando

_____

FERNANDON@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Looking for a sri-lankan Friend !!!!
From: jfarnand@cs.wright.edu (Joseph Fernando)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:51:08 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

From article <1992Jul27.184005.11239@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, by fernandon@topaz.ucq.edu.au:
> 
> I am a postgrad student at University of Central Qeensland, Australia 
> 
> and would like to get in touch with Sri Lankans abroad & in the Motherland
> 
> Could you please let me know whether you have got any E_Mail addresses
> 
> in Sri Lanka.
> 
> 
> 
> Nilupa P. Fernando
> 
> _____
> 
> FERNANDON@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU

Just another Sri Lankan on the other side of the globe.

Joseph Anil fernando
Wright State University
Dept. Of Computer Science & Engineering
Dayton Ohio 45324
-- 
Amitava Datta (adatta@cs.wright.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: cscc13@homer.cc.uh.edu (Naveed Iqbal)
Subject: Green Card through marriage
Reply-To: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:57:05 GMT



Hi guys
I need info on getting a green card through marriage.
- How do you apply after marriage?
- How long does it take for the process to finish?
- How long before a person is eligible for a work permit?
- and most important of all... how long does it take to be able to travel
  to Pakistan?

I am in US and my fiance is an American citizen living in U.S.
Any help will be appreciated.
Naveed
NIqbal@uh.edu
From: 5700aa@GMUVAX2.GMU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Balla Transform Recognized by the U.S.
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:58:25 GMT

In article <01GMOFBE8Z5C9D4DBJ@UMAECS>, in alt.politics.clinton,
 VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> I heard something in Inside Politics @ CNN yesterday.  Someone (a big shot)
> made a mistake in our hon'ble Vice President's name!  What was that?
>
> Vicky:
> UMass,
> July 22


First Siripala Transforms  used by Bush and Sadam
Now
 the Balla -Bala Transform used by Bigshots and Quayle(-e)

Balla transform proves the real behavior defined by their great fathers
and mothers.

Good luck.
From: m1pkd00@fed.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Lily Tomlin and Sri Lanka
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:58:48 GMT



Last night on "The Tonight Show" (yeah, the one with Johnny.... er
I mean, Jay Leno) Lily Tomlin said that she's going to a something
or the other conference/whatever in Toronto and there will be people
from all over the world and she's happy about being able to meet people
from four corners of the globe.  (four corners?  on a globe?? Never
mind!)  "Imagine, there will be people from Sri Lanka; comedians 
from Sri Lanka!!"  were her exact words.

Last week (?) it was Governor Bill Clinton who made a weird reference
to Sri Lanka and now Ms. Tomlin herself, who, incidentally, has said
things like "Los Angeles is 72 suburbs in search of a city," "Man 
invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain."

What is this?  Now, Sri Lanka is the equivalent of Siberia?  SL isn't
exactly on the other side of the world. ... er... I guess from Burbank
it is!  Never mind.


prasad
++ We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his
   hands for masturbation.
                -- Lily Tomlin ++
--
Prasad Dharmasena     Internet: <pkd@fed.FRB.GOV>     UUCP: <uunet!fed!pkd>
From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Calling All Potential R*p*sts...
Keywords: Quotes
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

In article <05=mglh@lynx.unm.edu> swells@triton.unm.edu (Ed Gruberman) writes:
>i have one thing to say:
>
>       what a total, complete, insufferable, incurable
>           *******BITCH!!!!!!!!************

This comparison is demeaning.

I think that all the bitches in the world deserve an apology.

-EMP
Xref: sparky soc.men:13730 soc.women:14119
From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: The Sheaffertron on Trial
Date: 26 Jul 92 05:59:30 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

> Those of you who have been reading "sci.skeptic" already know that Brian
> has a habit of "ad hominem" attacks. Some people, when
> they disagree, can stick to the issues, but not Brian. When he gets angry,
> he launches vitroiolic attacks on the other guy.
> 
> Some people follow proper "net etiquette," and others don't.
> 
> -- 
        Considering the sheer inability of Mr. Sheaffer to respond 
substantially to his critics, I'm not surprised that he'd be unable to answer 
my complaints. 

        Still, it does make one ask, "Why do you even BOTHER arguing with 
this guy?" A number of friends have brought this up to me. After the looks of 
shock and shrieks of laughter that usually follow the sharing of 
Sheaffer-posts-- and a near-unanimity of "Jesus, what an asshole!" that 
follows-- I'm wondering about this myself. The man's discredited himself with 
a series of unsubstantiated attacks on Noam Chomsky over on sci.skeptic, and 
his comments on feminism can be summed up in two sentences; they're all crazy 
man-haters, andthere's no such thing as evidence against this assumption.

        From what I've seen, Sheaffer's beef against feminism appears to 
spring from a strong sense of resentment of when women don't behave the way 
he wants them to. Sure, my comments were _ad hominem_-- to the man, the 
translation goes, and the problems aren't with the ideology but with 
Sheaffer's apparently screwed-up psychology. The material I posted-- those 
weird notes about how women are driven by their genes to 'crave' muscular 
guys, and how evil and malicious this makes them, when they could be sharing 
their bodies with the nerdy Sheaffer-types-- indicate that the man's more 
concerned about his inability to meet women rather than any rational 
criticism of feminism. Why else would his posts on the subject have such sad 
passion in them?


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Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org
From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:41:25 GMT
Subject: Re: How much $$ is enough?
Organization: Milky Way Galaxy
Newsgroups: soc.men

Our local newspaper here in Santa Rosa, California reports that a new law
ups the cost for child support payments in this state and the men in court
are having a shock of their life.  Citing the fact that California does
not want to be outspent on anything (such as highest cost of living, taxes,
etc) it moved its child support payment requirements from the bottom half
to the top 10 of all states.  

Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money!
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: How much $$ is enough?
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:45:37 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul23.234055.519@ultra.com> rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)  
writes:

+ I think I'm getting screwed in the custody case.  Now if the "burden of the
+ marriage" law existed and I had to pay extra alimony.... well that would
+ be a little bit too much to take.  I'd rather raise goats in the
+ Himalayas than take the double whammy.

Uh, sorry, job change is not a legitimate reason to keep up with court
ordained payments. However, if you income rose, we'd have to review 
the situtation to see if we could zap you some more.

K'Char - that only barely marginally sarcastic :(
Xref: sparky soc.men:13681 soc.women:14060 alt.censorship:6247 talk.politics.misc:35776 alt.folklore.urban:19685 misc.legal:14766
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
Subject: Re:  Ed Nilges and Snuff Films?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:29:01 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <cass8806.101@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>what about a public execution -- i'm thinking of the ones which recently
>took place in romania, which were filmed and distributed world wide. is that
>a snuff film? if so, the international media is traffiking in them to a
>henious degree.
>
    No,no,no,no! A snuff film is one where the film maker decides to make
    a film about death(s), writes the script (...gets it written), hires the
    actors, finds/hires the victims and kills them. The point of the film is
    the death(s), and the death(s) occur _because_ of the film. Filming
    deaths that occur for some unrelated reason are not snuff films. In bad
    taste, immoral etc may well be argued...

--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
              she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel
From: me@isnext9.msu.edu (My Account)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: HeteroSexuality as a DeathKult
Keywords: drieux again
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:26:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Jul23.133329.22349@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust  
(John Stevens) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.203528.17823@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com  
(drieux, just drieux) writes:
> >steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
...
> I like this guy.  This forum has needed a clown for some time.
> 
> John
> stevens@uswest.com
Prediction--someone will say:
He's obviously joking.  Don't answer.
He's obviously joking.  Answer.
How do you know if he's joking.  You meet all kinds on the Net.
I was joking you should have known it.
That's not funny.
Get a sense of humour.
You could have hurt somebody's feelings.
Anyone with feelings is a liberal and should be killed instantly.
This is a waste of bandwidth.  Stop it.
But it's fun.

=========SunCat++++     | kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
"Why don't you let the word 'Machine' conjure up images of patterns
of shifting light rather than of giant steam shovels."
--Douglas R. Hofstadter
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel)
Subject: sexism in health spas
Summary: sexism in health spas
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:31:30 GMT
Keywords: weights

Here's a new one that I thought would never happen to me.  My husband and I
are members of the Holiday Spa.  We both paid the same amount membership fees.

The manager has the spa set up with seperate men's, women's and co-ed areas.
The manager, a man, put all the nautilus and other single item machines in
the men's exercise area.  This prohibits women from using the machines.

I, <equalist> that I am, decided to go and use the equipment anyway.  So what
if it was in the men's gym area.  It existed nowhere else.  (We're talking
10+ pieces of fancy stuff)

I was ushered out of the men's gym area, needless to say.  Women have there own
area to exercise in, I was told.  The women's gym has pulley weights that offer
the same range of motion as the machines in the men's gym.
(I talked to the regional manager on the phone, to discuss the issue, and he
hung up on me!)

OK I'm bitter.  But is this common practice throughout, to have seperate
exercise areas for men and women?  Is it men or women who are embarrassed to
be looked at, or is this a Utah thing?

Anyway, this is the first time I've been denied the use of exercise equipment
because of my sex.  

Can anyone beat this story?  I need to be cheered up.

Karen Biesel

Xref: sparky soc.men:13693 soc.women:14073 alt.dads-rights:1568 alt.child-support:2224
From: baba@Tymnet.com (Duane Hentrich)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support
Subject: Re: How much $$ is enough?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:08:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: BT North America, San Jose CA.

In article <Brv78I.Exy@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower) writes:
|> Also it ignores people like me.  I'm the one left with the children.
...
|> Yes, I'm feeling like part of a neglected minority...  :-)

Yes, we are neglected. And many of us had to fight like the devil to become
part of this minority. And then the fact that we fought is held against us.

Situations like this convince me that Logic, as applied by humans, is not
an exact science.

-- 
d'baba Duane M. Hentrich	baba@Tymnet.Com

We have yet to learn that the thing uttered in words is not therefore affirmed. It must affirm itself, or no forms of logic or of oath can give it evidence. 
The sentence must also contain its own apology for being spoken. - R.W.Emerson
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: soc.feminism
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.051800.255682@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>
>Maybe it was just a bias against you, Hillel.  

Should moderators reject articles due to personal bias?  
Or should a moderator at least attempt some semblance of impartiality?

Charleen

--
Q: What is a string quartet made up of?
A: A good violinist, a bad violinist, an ex-violinist and someone who 
   hates violinists.
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: A question about getting "asked out"
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: stine@aviary.UUCP (John P. Stine)
Followup-To: sender
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

Hey, folks.

A question was recently brought up in another newsgroup, and I
thought I'd share it with you to get your thoughts.  The question
revolves around the issue of a homosexual male making a pass at,
or simply asking out, a heterosexual male.  It seems that there are 
straight men who, when put into this situation, respond with
violence.  To wit: "If any faggot ever came on to me, I'd punch
his lights out."

One theory is that a man placed into this position (the approachee) 
may assume that the man making the approach (the approacher) thought 
that the approachee was homosexual, and given the stereotypes
normally associated with homosexual males, takes strong offense at
the resulting insinuation.  The approachee may indeed perceive
it as an insult to his masculinity.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), the stereotypes are quickly becoming
the exception rather than the rule.  The approacher probably thought
that he was paying the approachee a compliment, rather than trying
to insult him or question his masculinity.

I'd value your thoughts on this issue.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
             John P. Stine  (stine@stars.reston.unisys.com)

   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
   employer...but I'm working on it.
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Newsgroups: soc.men
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Mens' Books (was Pt 1
X-To: ARIC C. ROTHMAN
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:02:00 GMT

arothman@eve.wright.edu (Aric C. Rothman) writes...
ACR> I have noticed that personal attacks against men frequently contain insults
ACR> directed at sexual prowess/history/orientation.  Comments such as "what's
ACR> your problem?  Don't get laid enough?" are common.  It seems that a man
ACR> who speaks out on gender issues is either accused of being
ACR> a desperate virgin, rapist, or
ACR> a closetted(sp?) homosexual.   Yes, there are those blanket stereotypes of
ACR> lesbians being fat and unshaven, etc..., but I am talking about personal
ACR> one-on-one attacks for expressing a viewpoint.

GOiD!  Tell me about it...

The University of Toronto "Varsity" newspaper called me (not personally, but
men's rights activists and male equalist activists) "insecure in their
masculinity".

The coordinator of the University of Toronto Women's Centre, Suzette Reid,
called the aformentioned group "a bunch of spoiled boys with nothing better
to do with their time".

And, recently, a net user called me "a little white breeder boy".

Funny how a lot of feminists poo poo on men who call women "girls," because
it is demeaning to women, but then proceed to call men "boys".

Even more so, those who complain about being personally attacked, OFTEN DO
IT AS WELL.

---
Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org                     "Neil Hull is GOiD"
ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids
(416) 322-7876
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