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From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: babies pulling long hair
Followup-To: 7 mth old pulling hair
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:52:42 GMT

In article 10041@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>> OK, I've just about had it!  I'm about ready to make an appointment to get
>> my hair cut off (hair that I've been growing for 3 years because my hubby
>> has this THING about long hair).  At 7 months, Paul still loves to YANK
>> (and I mean really YANK) at my hair to the point of me screaming.   Before
>> I get to the "what-did-you-do-to-your-hair?" stage, can anyone tell me
>> at what age babies STOP pulling mommy's hair?  I've tried putting my
>> hair in a pony tail, but he still manages to grab a few strands.  Any other

>
>Oh!  So that explains why all new mommies who used to have long hair
>get it chopped short!  I was always curious about this "phenomenon",
>since I've seen it happen so many times!  My hairdresser already bets
>when I'll be in to get my long hair chopped off...
>
>Christine
>first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
>also w/hubby who loves my long hair...
>
 
There's hope still!! I have a 4YO boy and a 16MO girl and my hair
is down to may waist - and as I am 5' 10" tall that`s about 2.5 ft
of hair!!! (another hubby with a fettish about long hair!!)
I made it through without cutting it (divorce impending was a good 
motivator :-) - just a joke!) and I'd say that at aobut 9 - 10 mths was 
when both of my two suddenly got the picture!!

Actually when possible (ie depending on WHERE we were) I would immediatly 
put the baby down, unleash the hair from the fingers and NOT pick him/her 
up again.. when they would fuss (and sometimes they wouldn't and would 
crawl/toddle off quite happily - makes teaches this lesson LONG!!) I then
said "OK, but if you pull Mummys (I'm English!!) hair again, I`m not holding
you - IT HURTS"...

It was a long teaching process - made easier the second time as I had 'help'
from the 3 YO!!! Loved telling her, "NO NO YOU MUSTN`T PULL MUMMY"S HAIR"
So if you and your hubby really want to keep the long hair - you CAN
persevere and it WILL stop!!

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From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Apple 2 and Kindergarteners
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:40:09 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: turing.think.com

In article <1992Nov18.170435.16256@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine) writes:
>My son's preschool has an Apple 2 which I have just recently brought
>up.  It has *no* software (well, except AppleWorks).  I have a 
>bunch of questions:

>2.)  Anyone know where I might be able to get some public domain software
>     and/or shareware for it?

There are three Apple-2-related newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,
comp.sys.apple2.gno, and comp.binaries.apple2. I picked an article at
random from comp.binaries.apple2 and searched with archie for sites
with that program archived. Sure enough, several ftp sites have Apple
2 archives. Here are a few:

plains.nodak.edu: /pub/apple2
wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors3/archive.umich.edu/apple2
wuarchive.wustl.edu: /usenet/comp.binaries.apple2
cobalt.cco.caltech.edu /pub/apple2
tybalt.caltech.edu: /pub/apple2
-- 
Ephraim Vishniac    ephraim@think.com   ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com
 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Crooked baby teeth
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:05:20 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I'm wondering if anybody has definitive information on whether crooked
baby teeth should be a concern?  Lindsay's teeth seem to be coming in
a bit out of whack.  I've read, in material about thumb-sucking, that
concerns about it causing crooked (permanent) teeth are generally
unfounded unless the thumb-sucking continues to a fairly advanced
stage.  So this makes me think I shouldn't be concerned (Lindsay did
suck her thumb, but she seems to have stopped recently, at about
13mo).  But I guess I'm wondering if it isn't possible for the
existing baby teeth to "derail" the permanent teeth when they come in
later?  In any case seeing them come in crooked has made me a bit
nervous, so I'd appreciate whatever information anybody has.
Thanks!
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ebalkan@hamilton.edu (Erol Balkan)
Subject: educational games
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:17:32 GMT


i am looking for some educational games for ages 8-12. does anyone know
any ftp sites, where i can get some of these games.
thanks

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: melshinn@agsm.ucla.edu (Maha El-Shinnawy)
Subject: Re: Potty Training FAQ, please?
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:09:02 PST

bmartin@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Barb Martin) writes:

>Please send me a copy of this.  Thanks.

Can I also request a copy of this FAQ?
Thanks,
Maha
melshinn@agsm.ucla.edu


>-- 
>Barb Martin
>IRM Infrastructure Operations
>Barb.Martin@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
>...!uunet!ncrcom!cipc1!bmartin
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family:  2 or 3 Children?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 10:26:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.004900.23534@nosc.mil> derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL writes:

>
>I am the oldest of 3 daughters.  Our current ages are 38, 35, 31.  I can
>imagine that how well siblings will get along would depend on their
>gender and age differences, so I can only speak for myself, and only
>from the child's point of view since I have no children.  I would say
>that the main disadvantage of having 3 vs 2 kids is that with 3 you
>can have 2 kids exclude or gang up on the third.  When I was single

(stuff deleted)

I think that whatever the number of kids, this will happen. I grew
up in a family of 4 kids. I was 2-1/2 years older than my next youngest
sister, then there was a brother and a sister each about a year apart.
At various times we "ganged up" as follows:

The 3 girls against the 1 boy (the most common one ...)
The 3 "little kids" against me (I cringe at it now, but my folks really did
   lump together the other 3 as the "little kids" quite often)
The three with similar coloring (very fair-skinned with blondish hair) against
   the one sister who had chestnut-colored hair and skin that tanned instead
   of sunburned
The three oldest against the youngest (we teased her so mercilessly that in
   in kindergarten she always demanded that her teacher tell her whether a
   story was "real" or "made-up" before the teacher could read it to the
   class)
And there were many more such alliances ...

The point here is that kids will be kids, and "ganging up" is part of that.
I don't know how the dynamic works in families with 2 kids, but if you
get over that number an even number of kids vs. an odd number of kids
doesn't change the "ganging up" part.

Susan



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Apple 2 and Kindergarteners
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:04:35 GMT

My son's preschool has an Apple 2 which I have just recently brought
up.  It has *no* software (well, except AppleWorks).  I have a 
bunch of questions:

1.)  Anybody have any Apple 2 software for preschool/kindergarten age kids
     they would be willing to donate to a good cause?  I am especially
     interested in getting a copy of Logo.  My son's school is a non-profit
     United Way school, and thus doesn't have tons of money for software
     (the computer was donated -- no choice there).

2.)  Anyone know where I might be able to get some public domain software
     and/or shareware for it?

3.)  I am hoping to be able to go over there for an hour a week or so to
     instruct the kindergarteners (once we get software).  Any creative
     ideas on how to approach the subject?

Thanks!

-- Misty
From: neal@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM (Neal Bauer)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:28:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Brahm's lullaby
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Here are a couple of posts I saved the last time this came up.  The first
is from Maggie Douglass:

>>Does anyone out there know all of the words to Brahm's Lullabye?
>
>Oh yes, I sang this one all the time.  It goes like this:
>
>Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep little baby.
>Go to slee-eep, go to sleep.  Go to slee-ee-eep right now!
>Close your eyes, little guy, and go-oh to sleep.
>Close your eyes, go to sleep, go to slee-ee-ee-ee, ee, eep.
>
>Hope this helps!  >;)
>                --  maggie

Unfortunately I can't remember who posted the second one.  I like it a lot.

>I couldn't remember the real words either (I hope someone posts them!), so I 
>made up my own -- it's such a lovely song that I wanted to be able to sing it.
>
>                Go to sleep, little Stephen,
>                You're safe and secure.
>                Go to sleep, and your dreams
>                Will be beautiful, I'm sure.
>                Yes, it's true that we don't 
>                Always know what to do,
>                But we learn as we go,
>                And your Daddy and I love you.
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: After the Stork and Hanna sizes
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:12:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Just my 2 cents:

Being the lucky recipient of *tons* of
baby clothes (my sister has two daughters, and
used to work in a children's clothing store) I
haven't had to buy many clothes for Isabel, but
of the ones I have bought, I'm happiest by far
with the Hannas.

I know they're expensive, but in  the long run, I
think they save money - Isabel's been in the same
size since she was 4 mos. old (she'll be 10 mos.
this Sunday). Granted, she's on the small side
(18 lbs), but the Hanna's are made to look good
rolled up, just right, and a bit snug. And they
seem comfortable. I just bought a couple of Hannas
in the next size, and they're big, but I figure
she'll be in them for about a year. Seriously.
Some of her other clothes fit her for a month or
two and that's it, and *never* fit her as well
as the Hannas do. For those of you with more
than one kid: some of our hand-me-down Hannas
have been through 5 or 6 kids, and still look
good.

Also - I just called Hanna to complain about
a garment that developed a small hole at the
crotch seam after about 2 months of wear (not
like me to do this, but I expect Hannas to last
forever, and they *are* expensive). No problem-
they sent me a replacement pair immediately, and
asked me to put the old ones in a mailer and leave
it out for UPS to pick up at their expense. So I
was very happy with the service, too.

And no, I don't work for Hanna Anderson (though the
company was rated one of the 100 best for working
families in the US (by Working Woman magazine, I think,
so that's another reason to buy from them :). I don't
even *know* anyone who works for Hanna Anderson!

(and I guess that turned into at least 4 cents worth
of comments - sorry)

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: How to help the "oops" of a family...
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:00:20 GMT

In article <26330@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>>> bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:
>>>I babysit (and have babysat at different times over the years) with a
>>>family with 3 children:  Billy, Joanna and Emily.  The age difference
>>>is 4 years between Billy and Joanna and 10 months between Jo and Emmy.
>>>Emmy was an admitted "oops" due to the fact her parents forgot that it
>>>*is* possible to get pregnant while you are nursing....Anyway...
>>>
>>>Billy and Jo pick on Em all the time about not being planned.  
>
>I think it's time for the parents to put their foot (feet?) down.
>They need to tell all three children that they are loved and they're
>glad they're part of the family--and that _any_ discussion of
>unwanted/unplanned children will not be tolerated.    (consequences of
>violating this might be isolation from the family, since the violator
>is trying to isolate another)
>
>One more thing: this type of thing is exactly the reason why parents
>who are having an unplanned child shouldn't tell _anyone_ that the
>pregnancy wasn't planned.  A child should _never_ have to hear "your
>parents didn't want you"--especially from supposedly "more wanted"
>siblings.   
>
>--
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

Woa -- there's a huge difference between being unplanned and
unwanted!  I was an unplanned child.  It was pretty obvious as
my arrival caused all sorts of problems timing-wise for my 
Mom.  I have never felt unwanted because I wasn't.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: After the Stork and Hanna sizes
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:23:07 GMT

In article <ORRVTBETX@linac.fnal.gov> lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis) writes:
>In article <3906@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
>>In article <1992Nov13.200006.4255@adobe.com>, riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> Ah, the reason why I love Hanna's.  They fit who they say they will
>>|> and they aren't outgrown quickly.  Rachel is in a size 90 now and
>>|> almost into a size 100, but she has size 80's that she can still wear.
>>|> I bought her size 70's when she was 4 months old and she wore them for
>>|> over a year.
>>
>>This isn't necessarily true.  I haven't had the same good experiences
>>with Hanna Anderson as some others on the net.  I first ordered from
>>I recently ordered my daughter some fleece suits and a pair of bubble 
>>overalls, both size 90 since she was growing out of the size 80's we'd 
>>received as gifts.  The suits were _huge_ on her, and the overalls were way 
>>too small.  
>
>Although I've had good experiences with Hanna clothes overall, I have
>to concur with Judy about the bubbly bibs.  Both my friend and I have
>found that the sizing on those is way off--both of our children, who
>have quite different body types, take a larger size than the chart
>would indicate.  My son currently wears an 80, but in order for the
>bibs to fit from shoulder to crotch he has to wear a 90.  Of course,
>this makes them rather long in the pants.  I wish the company would
>wise up to this problem.

Well, okay, I admit defeat on this point.  I just sent back a size 90
bubbly bib dress for Rachel; it was too short.  But it would have fit
her; just didn't have as much growing room as some of their other
things.	 I also haven't tried every single article in the catalog;
some of them are just too expensive for even me to justify; I like to
make Rachel's fancy dresses.  But, for most of their clothes, they fit
true to size.  And my original point was that they seem to fit for a
long time.  Rachel is taller than average; her torso is long.  To get
clothes to fit her body (jumpsuits) I routinely have to buy larger
sizes and then the legs and arms were always too long.  I didn't have
this problem with Hannas (probably because of the cuffed and
elasticized legs).  Also, for every Hanna that I've bought that was a
comfortable size for Rachel, she's gotten a lot of wear out of them 
(fit her for a long time).

>Yet in other respects, their quality is superior to many other brands, like
>babyGap (does anyone else out there call the regular Gap stores
>"Grownup Gap"?)  Hanna seems to use thicker fabrics and they hold up
>well--I've never had anything from them rip or give at the seams.  One
>item arrived missing a snap, and they sent UPS here to pick it up (at
>no charge to me).  

Yep, when there was a mistake with my order (only once) they rushed
out a replacement FedEx and picked up UPS, no charge.  They have
wonderul service.

>Plus, they're so damn cute!

Yep, that's the gotcha!  :-)

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: What do you do when your kid things Metallica is cool?
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:29:03 GMT

In article <199211171521.AA10495@tuna.wang.com> JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM
("Jutta Lage") writes:
>My daughter is a heavy metal fanatic. Actually Metallica is her favourite
group

HEY! WHAT SHOULD I DO? I AM A PARENT AND THINK METALLICA IS COOL! :-) :-)


>and I let her go to a concert last September. She loved it. She actually has
>loved this kind of head banging music for about a year. She tells me what she
>thinks about certain songs and even interprets them. It also inspired her to
>take up electric bass which she has become really good at and the music school
>just recently asked her if she wanted to audition for a heavy metal group (all
>girls of the same age...13 and 14). I don't mind it that much...only sometimes
>the loud music is annoying and I have to tell her to turn it down...
>I once in a while pick up one of those heavy metal music magazines for her and
>read articles about Metallica and other bands myself. Metallica is sometimes
>misinterpreted by many... And then I remember when I grew up and my friends
and
>I used to listen to Alice Cooper (remember he pretended to behead snakes on
sta
>ge and stuff like that...), and Black Sabbath (isn't Ozzy Osborne still around
>moaning and groaning on stage and 'pretending' to sacrifice animals here and
th
>ere...weird eh...). Anyway, I am sure many of you listened to them way back
the
>n. Nothing has really changed. Let the kids choose their own music...and
suppor
>t them if you dare...and as one of you said before: Keep the communications
cha
>nnels open! - Jutta
>



*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: samuels@waldron.stanford.edu (Steve Samuels)
Subject: Rec's for a pediatrician at Palo Alto Medical Clinic
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:20:46 GMT


As the subject line says, we're looking for a good pediatrician at the
PAMC.  We would appreciate your comments, both positive and negative,
about the various ped's who work there.  We would like to cut down on
the time and expense of interviewing every single one, and hope to find
3 or 4 really excellent ones.

Please email (hopefully this only went out to a local area):
samuels@psych.stanford.edu

Steve

p.s. we have no choice but to use PAMC
From: kate_smith@next.com (Kate Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: teething pain (was: teething biscuits)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:56:04 GMT

I've found an interesting trick for teething pain.  My daughter loves to  
suck on wet washcloths.  So one day I put one in the freezer.  They get  
all stiff, but she still likes the cold and then it softens up to be a  
nice wet washcloth again.  Plus, I don't have to worry about her choking  
on bits of raggedy bagel.

Kate Smith
kate@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Info wanted on Kids in Advertisements
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:20:27 GMT

A few people have suggested we try to get our daughter on the cover of a kids
magazine or Parents. Now I'm not too keen about the idea, and I am sure there
must be thousands of kids that have the same attributes and chances of getting
on the cover. I am not too keen about putting her through any kind of photo
sessions etc. BUT....if it isnt to stressful then I might attempt to apply. So
does anyone know what you have to do or who to write to get this started?

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:21:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: hair color!

In article <1992Nov19.210038.20162@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth) writes:
>When my niece Heather (now 14) was born, she had lovely red hair.
>We're all lt. brown/blonde but red hair does run in my mom's family.
>(I personally would kill for hair her color)  Anyway, when people
>would look at my sister and her husband and ask where that hair 
>came from, Maria would reply "John travels on business a lot.  
>Sometimes he gets rusty."

I have wavy/curly/frizzy (humidity-dependent!) chestnut-brown 
hair and green eyes; my husband has straight chestnut-brown hair
and grey eyes.  Our first two kids have very straight very
blonde hair and blue eyes.  Once we were carrying them in a parking
lot in NY and somebody leaned out of a car window to ask where we
had gotten the blonde children.  I told them, "California!" (San
Diego, to be precise; and where did my youngest get his brown
curls?  New York!).

Sue 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: uehling@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dana Uehling - Code 522)
Subject: Books on avoiding Episiotomies?
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:59:54 GMT

Are there any books on how to avoid episiotomies?  Some people have mentioned
perineal massage, doing squats, etc.  I would like some references on how
to do these things.  I would like to avoid one if possible, as well as the
epidural - though I know all labors are different.  I have switched doctors
because my first said epis are ALWAYS necessary and that I WILL want an
epidural.
Thanks for any info.
Dana
(mom-to-be,  due 5/11/93)



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