HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Which modem - internal or external ?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:13:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.020957.20169@nwra.com> dona@nwra.com (Don Altman) writes:
>>It's really a matter of personal preference.  I recommend going with an
>>external model, for the following reasons:
>Except, of course, if you don't have a buffered UART (16550AF or
>equivalent) on your serial port.  In that case, the internal modem
>containing such a chip would be preferable due to the higher
>throughput you'd obtain.

A couple other reasons I like external modems:

(1) Can be used with notebooks and laptops in a pinch.
(2) If you later switch machines (to a Microchannel machine, Macintosh
with NuBus, Sun workstation), you can still take your modem with you.
(3) The speakers (for monitoring calls) are far superior, and you can
actually hear what's going on.
(4) Reduces internal heat inside the computer case, thus potentially
increasing system life.

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From: 5692330@mcimail.com  (Robert Gammon)
Subject: Re: Zero-length files
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:00:28 GMT

In article <1ierslINNriq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> al919@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Halco) writes:

 >> 
 >> I can't find the original posting, but someone asked about
 >> making zero-length files.  In DOS you can do this with
 >> 
 >>         REM > FOO.BAR
 >> 
 >> I haven't tried this in OS/2.  That can be an exercise for the 
 >> reader :-)

Ahh, but this is not what the original poster was seeking.  Yes, this
creates a file with a listed size of 0 bytes, BUT, a minimum allocation
unit is still used (512 bytes, a single sector with HPFS, more with FAT).
Our PC file systems insist on allocating at least one allocation unit to
every file (not an unreasonable assumption since most of us have little or
no need for such capability).
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Comm Programs
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:06:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.005017.14549@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Several commercial Os/2 comm programs have been listed.  Where do
>I gpo to buy these?  OS/2 software shops are not ubiquitous.  Nor have
>I seen any mail-order software for OS/2 in say, PC/Computing or
>Computer Shopper.

Most of the larger software houses (e.g. PC Connection) should be able
to find most OS/2 software for you.

If not, try The Corner Store (Litchfield, Connecticut; call
203-555-1212 to get the telephone number).  Or go directly to the
software publisher.  Contact information is available in the file
tinf31.zip, available via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (check
file /pub/os2/00Index for location).

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From: rew3q@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Russell E. Wolfe)
Subject: ATI Vantage + Beta 2.1 + ??
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:36:35 GMT

Try as I may, I cannot gleen the following information from teh
meandering threads in this forum...:)

I have an ATI VANTAGE video card that up until this last beta
release I had to run as 8514 with no seamless windows, etc.
Anyway, I lived dangerously and chose SVGA during setup, to see
what I'd get.  Well, I have seamless windows, and what could be
800x600 resolution (though I'm not so sure it is'nt 640x480, it
doesn't look that great) and there doesn't seem to be anbywhere
to adjust resolution.  Now I've seen refgerences to new trident
drivers that are really new generic drivers that support
1024x768x256, I assume with seamless windows.  Is this a fairy
tale, or do these things exist?  And if they exsit, do they
work with the beta or only 2.0 plus service pack?  If they do
exist, and they DO work where are they besides hobbes (which
hasn't been working to well lately)?

			Russ Wolfe
			Academic Computing Center
			University of Virginia
From: haug@zesi.do.open.de (Haug Buerger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: German Service Pack !?!?
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 02:52:25 GMT
Organization: private

rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE writes in article <1993Jan8.134903.6999@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>:
> 
> The german service pack is available, but not on an FTP server to my
> knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong). I know a BBS where it is on
> but it's in Frankfurt, so it's a long distance call for me (and I
> almost exclusively use US versions of software if possible).
> 
> Kai Uwe Rommel
> 
Oh please, post the phone number that somebody can get it.

# haug@zesi.do.open.de (Haug Buerger)
# save a tree use email

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: To XGA-2 or not
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:14:28 GMT

In article <dlcogswe.726327316@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>>XGA-2 from IBM is available now.  IBM sells a Microchannel version in
>>the U.S.  Radius and a couple other companies are slated to deliver AT
>>bus XGA-2 adapters this month.  (Outside the U.S., IBM sells an AT bus
>>XGA-2 adapter.)
>What other companies do you know of?  I'd like to give them a call and
>post my findings.

Radius and Ahead, I believe.

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Novell networks
Keywords: SONY CD-ROM, non SCSI
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:34:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.220552.3551@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I just finished installing OS/2 2.1 Beta on a machine that is connected
>to a Novell network.  Amazingly, it never occurred to me until this
>moment that there might be a problem connecting it to the network.
>(I guess I was spoiled by the DV/X install, which automatically detects
>the presence of, e.g., Novell, and automatically does the right thing.
>Anyway, I guess I just expected OS/2 to come with Novell support.)
>Interestly, enuf, I can load SMCIPX, and NETX, in a DOS Window, and they
>load w/o error, but the F: drive does not make itself known...
>It does work, not surprisingly, in specific DOS.
>Is this the state of the art?

Obviously not.

You need the Novell OS/2 Workstation Kit.  I've seen it available two
places.  One way to get it is to call 800-UPDATE1 and ask for it.  The
charge from Novell at that number is $30.

IBM will charge $20 if you order it from them through IBM Direct
(800-IBM-2-YOU).

Both telephone numbers are for the United States.  If you are outside
the U.S., contact your local Novell or IBM office or dealer.

Note that Novell may opt to release an update when OS/2 2.1 is
released; it should be available near simultaneously with OS/2 2.1 if
such an update is required.  Just be aware that 2.1 is presently beta.

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From: A.M.Zanker@newcastle.ac.uk (A.M. Zanker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Thinking about OS/2
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:33:12 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

I'm thinking about buying OS/2. I have a 170MB hard disk with a
70MB primary DOS partition (DRDOS6) and a 40MB extended. The remaining
60MB is free.

Can I install OS/2 in the remaining partition and allow it to run
my existing DOS/Windows software, or would I have to "start again"
on a clean hard disk?

I have a 33MHz 386SX with 4MB RAM. I notice that 4MB is the minimum
RAM allowed - will it *really* be unusable with just 4MB? (To upgrade
to 8MB I'd have to junk the 1MB SIMMS and buy two 4MB ones :-( ).

I'd be very grateful for any information.

Thanks in advance,

Mike
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From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 beta on 11/92 PDK, PMCOMM32
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 21:32:02 GMT
Summary: bug, memory mangement, OS/2 beta, PDK 10/92
Organization: Private OS/2 System

 I have a strange behaviour with a terminal program called
"pmcomm32.exe" and the OS/2 version from the PDK 11/92. I was
downloading a 700K file and got a strange behaviour of the swapper-file.

The size of this file was grewing!!!

 At download-size      swapper.dat

   256K                   3.14 MB
   272KB                  4.19 MB
   315KB                  6.29 MB
   325KB                  7.34 MB
   345KB                  8.38 MB
   402KB                 10.48 MB

 I left the zmodem-protocol at about swap-size of 16MB, left the program
and the garbage collector stopped at 6MB swapper.dat size. 

 I've not noticed this behaviour with the 10/92 CD-ROM. 


 Can someone confirm this behaviour?


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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:15:00 -0500 
From: Butch_Anton@transarc.com
Subject: Recovering Desktop Directory

Well, I managed to trash my "OS!2 Desktop Directory" from the c:
drive.  Can anyone recommend a way of recovering from this disaster?
In case it matters, the filesystem in question is HPFS.

Thanks!

Butch Anton     | Psycho Racing (Novice Sprints)    | butch@transarc.com
Transarc Corp.  | '87 EX-500 WERA #623 AMA/CCS #811 | DoD #0124   AMA#485814
707 Grant ST    | M&N Racing (WERA Natl. Endurance) | '83 Seca 650 Turbo
Pgh, PA  15219  | '89 CBR-600 WERA #83 Novice       | '89 FZR 600
+1 412 338 4442 | "You have to be crazy to race this piece of shit!"
From: nazario@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Looking for CDROM deal that came with beta CD
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:57:43 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

OS/2 ers

I ordered the first OS/2 beta CD-ROM disk and it included in it a
coupon to buy a CD-ROM at a great price.  Do any of you remember the
company name?  Please email responses to me directly.

thanks

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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Beta 2.1 in IBM-BBS
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:12:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.233612.24408@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>The newsgroup comp.os.os2 does not exist; please ask your system
>administrator to remove it from your site.
>
>In article <1993Jan1.011337.773@news.columbia.edu> fiv2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Fidel I Villa) writes:
>>Why don't IBM put it also in software.watson.ibm.com like the service
>>package? It would save us a lot of $. Just a suggestion.
>
>OS/2 2.1 beta is a complete, standalone, functional operating system.
>It does not require any previous version in order to operate.  It

Then why does the note that comes with it say that you need to have REXX
installed and running on your current version of OS/2 in order to
install the beta?

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know a security-prog. for OS/2
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:18:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.152011.2853@odin.diku.dk> spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring) writes:
>I'm looking for a programme, which will ask for a password each time the
>machine boots up. Does anyone no if such a programme exist and if so; where
>can I get it.

This question is answered in the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions List.
(Hint: PC/DACS from Pyramid.)

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Caveat Emptor and sneaky marketing tricks
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:23:42 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan6.113212.20951@wraxall.inmos.co.uk> des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) writes:
>A few years ago I heard someone from INMOS advising a customer to buy
>a transputer board with 2Mb of memory rather try to save money by
>getting one with 1Mb and the fit another Mb of memory chips
>themselves. The advice given was "The unused memory sockets may not
>have been tested" - can't remember if the customer was stupid enough
>to fall for this! 

This sounds like one that was common in the early days of PC's.
Everyone advised against using single-sided media in double-sided
drives because "the back side isn't tested".  This is a load of hooey,
since some single-sided drives used the top surface, and others used
the bottom surface - requiring the vendors to test both sides anyway!
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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: Radius XGA-2 board
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:44:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.192331.28063@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>   In article <726362760.0@iphase.infoserv.com> Ed.June@iphase.infoserv.com (Ed June) writes:
>   >
>   >That, and an EISA version or VESA version would be nice too...
>
>   A VESA-compliant version of the XGA board is impossible.  VESA specs
>   only apply to frame-buffer based boards, not to coprocessor-based
>   ones.  The VESA specs would sap the XGA of all it's performance.

Oh, I thought he meant a VESA VL-bus version, which would indeed be
grand.  VESA VBE should be possible for XGA, but as you say, it's not
desirable to treat an accellerator as a dumb frame buffer.
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OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
From: os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Opinion: What IBM should change in OS/2
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:24:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <sheldon.726171217@pv141b.vincent.iastate.edu> sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:

>In <1i9ob9INN4i@hpscit.sc.hp.com> kitchin@lf.hp.com (Bruce Kitchin) writes:

>>: 	Actually the only thing I want is an OS/2 that doesn't turn off the
>>: NUM-LOCK.
>>: 
>>I'm even willing for it to be an easy-to-set option since there are probably
>>still people who prefer it off.

> I'd like it to stop messing with it entirely and leave it the way I set it.
>I've noticed that depending on what window I focus on, the Numlock changes.

You should also notice that this happens with the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock
keys.  OS/2 saves the state of these keys whenever you switch to another
application and restores them when you return.

Cheers,
Q
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From: Rw.Hutchinson@p300.f0.n1091.z0.fidonet.org (Rw Hutchinson)
Sender: fredmail@psybbs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: A very unnerving message
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 16:45:11 -0500

In a message to All <06 Jan 93 19:57> Timothy F. Sipples wrote:

 TF> What you have discovered is a minor bit of fault tolerance found in
 TF> HPFS under OS/2.  It is called hot fix.  During format HPFS sets aside

 TF> Clever, isn't it?

 TF> It's amazing that OS/2 takes it so casually, but that's what HPFS buys
 TF> you -- added security.

Granted, it is great not to have to restore defective files, e.g. from originals somewhere on floppies. The problem is that immediately after executing the "hot fix" the whole system hangs losing all work in progress in any windows that happen to be open, and sometimes even requires a floppy boot to fix the c: [system volume] disk even though the error message put up before the system went down referred to a defective sector on the d: [applications volume] disk. [all one physical disk however.] Still, I wi

ll grant that I have yet to lose any data.
From: olsenc@stein.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT vs OS/2: Does NT worth the wait?
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:07:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1inbaqINNh91
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu


Hello:

Although Win NT sounds like a really great OS (and so does OS/2), I don't
think it will be what many home users want.  From the people with betas
that I've talked to, they tell me that NT is a server based application
and the hardware requirements will be quite high.  Furthermore, it will
not run all the applications that run on Windows 3.1.  If you're a die-hard
windows fan, you may be better off waiting for future releases of Windows
which will have a subset of NT's capabilities.  I think it's called Win32s
(or something like that).  OS/2 doesn't seem all that demanding compared to
NT, so users may want to consider that when choosing to migrate from the
bastardized DOS.

-Clint
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From: 880506s@dragon.acadiau.ca (James R. Skinner)
Subject: Re: XGA & IBM 8518 Combo
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:33:39 GMT

karu@nevada.edu (NARANAPITI KARUNARATNE) writes:

>My wish for 2.1 is that a method similar to XGA be provided to change video
>resolution by choosing it from choices from within System Setup, without having
>to reinsert disks 6-19 everytime you need to change video resolution. That is
>painful and frustrating. 

Amen!  Can it be so hard?...

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Error Code List
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:12:50 GMT

In article <105987@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:
>>And here's another possibility: they've got just enough room for a
>>couple short strings.  Why not pick the five top world languages, say,
>>and use those?  Perhaps we'll insult the Croatians and the Lithuanians
>>in the process, but it might be an improvement.
>Well, I assume you're being facitious :-)

Only partly.  Up until the last sentence I was serious.

>I (apparently incorrectly) assumed that ENGLISH was basically a standard
>at least at the *OS* level.  I figured it was similar to the standard 
>established for Air Traffic Control, where it is nearly universally
>agreed (so I'm told) that English is the official language.

Far from it.  You'd be a fish out of water operating many computers in
the Far East.

In most programming, however, the lingua franca seems to be English.

>BTW, the Croatian girl in my AI class this past semester spoke
>very good English :-) :-)

I'm afraid we can't ask the same of every non-English reading OS/2
user.

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Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 21:48:25 EST
From: <TED@vm.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ATI XL w/TRI32new.exe

In article <Jan.6.14.27.54.1993.17769@remus.rutgers.edu>,
glenw@remus.rutgers.edu (Glenn T. Wasserman) says:
>
>Well, the success with the drivers seems to be limited to the ATI
>wonder...
> the system with the VGA Wonder XL won't allow an SVGA ON DOS (under
>DOS, OS/2, or whatever). It says that the board is not VESA-compliant.

I am having exactly the same problem. I believe the problem lies with
the CPU BIOS not the video bios. I got  SVGA ON to work with my home
system and have SVGA ON consistently fail with my work system. Both
are using ATI XL 1 meg cards. Thinking that the problem was different
verions of the same card I swapped the cards, put my work ATI in my
home machine and my Home ATI in my work machine. SVGA ON still does not
work on my work machine. I have opened a problem with IBM support
to see if they have any insites.

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