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From: rshiroma@drew.drew.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Quick news + questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:52:12 GMT
Organization: Drew University

In article <1992Nov16.062415.22333@sfc.keio.ac.jp>, s92458km@msr.mei.co.jp (Kunio Muto,79204584,12) writes:
>
> Big Comic series - You have Big Comic, Big Comic Spirits, Big Comic
> Superior, and Big Comic Original. I guess there used to be one "Big
> Comic," but then, I'm not sure because I'm not that old... But I have
> heard that Big Comic used to be a magazine for pre-Sunday kids...
> (forgot the name) But since sales fell, it changed to Big Comics,
> changing the target from little kids to grown-ups. Big Comics used to
> have Area 88, and other stuff, that boosted its sales.. 

There was a manga magazine called Shounen Big.  It was biweekly (Fri), 
phone-book shape, 200 yen.  Main artists were Shintani Kaoru, Kanzaki 
Masaomi, Hosono Fujihiko, Kitazaki Taku, Nobe Toshio, Kusunoki Kei, 
Suzumiya Wayu, so on.  Most readers were otakies in its last days; I 
personally think that Shounen Big was far much better than any manga 
magazines ever exist, though I was buying it just for two years.  
Shounen Big did not last long after the completion of Area 88, and the 
name of the magazine was changed into Young Sunday on April of '87.  
The story by Takeda Tetsuya and Koyama Yuu about Sakamoto Ryoma 
survived the discontinuation; however, taste of other stories has 
changed a lot so I quit buying Young Sunday after a while...

The thing is exactly the same as the case of Comicomi and Shounen 
King: Comicomi became Animal House soon after Outlanders was over 
(it's now called Young Animal, BTW).  Shounan Bakusouzoku had been the 
anchor story of Shounen King just before it ceased.  The title of this 
magazine is now Young King, as you might have guessed :)

> There is also a Manga Sunday, but I don't think it's by
> Shougakukan.... (I'm not sure..., however.) 

Manga Sunday has nothing to do with Shougakukan.  I am a little 
interested in auful artwork of Gekega, but I don't recommend it to 
r.a.m. people.
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From: t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Video Girl Len
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:21:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Sophia Univ., Tokyo, Japan

In article <1992Nov17.100737.23925@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> gainax@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu (Miss Jyanken 1992) writes:
>What has happen to Video Girl Len? Is it running monthly or was it a
>one shot deal? What the hell is this version about?

It's not running anywhere.  Gone with wind.
However its compiled book is out as Video Girl vol.14.  It's not over
yet, so maybe vol.15 will be the final book of the series.
--
Tsuyoshi Yamashiki, lost boy in cyber space.
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From: rmc@wang.com (rmc)
Subject: Wind of the Gods
Organization: Wang Laboratories, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:15:33 GMT

I picked up my copy of "Wind of the Gods" last weekend and read it
last night.  It's not manga, as it's a US book.  The setting is somewhat
historical, about a Daimyo ignoring the Emperor and the political
intrigue among his Samurai.  It's from Tundra, and costs $15 (not bad
for a hard cover book, but a bit steep).  I'll review it here if
people want, but it seems pretty peripheral to rec.arts.manga.  Umm,
it's good enough i plan to pick up volume 2 in January or whatever.

R Mark Chilenskas
Chilenskas@Office.wang.com
From: michaele@nagisa.nsg.com.au (Michael J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Kodansha says NO to net translations
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:04:41 GMT
Organization: Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus
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Iain Sinclair (axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au) wrote:
> However, there are a couple of important points.
> 
> First, translations aren't the only way to introduce people to manga.
> Synopses and guides are works of their own, and don't infringe copyright
> in the way that translations do.  They also cover about 10-20 times more
> ground than translations, with the same effort.  And you don't have
> to worry about the difficult and painstaking detail of translation.

Synop. are definately very useful as are things like the Ranma Who, What, 
Where list and the 3x3 Eyes version.  In fact with the Teresa Martin Ranma
list and Hitoshi Doi's synop of the TV Ranma I've been able to follow a lot
of the manga that hasn't been translated [thanks people].

Its not just more ground in a manga but more manga titles that can be
covered...

Michael
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From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Subject: Clamp members                           
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.042053.24756@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
>> CLAMP is composed of 6 talented ladies and each member has her own specialty.
>
>Chotto matte, are you sure it's 6 _ladies_?
>I once read the post production to one story and there was at least 1
>gentleman, if not two -- unless one or two ladies dressed like men. 
>--
>CHEN JiaTyan

But as far as I know, Clamp is a bunch of ladies!!!

Chibi

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From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Ranma 1/2 latest
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: Megami Jimusho
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:45:19 GMT

Quick spoilers for some of SS#50 (?) (not the ending of the current story).

"Where am I?"

Ryouga was wandering around in a misty, dreamy place, with flowers
everywhere.  He makes out a river, and recognises his grandparents on
the other side, who are calling him.

"Am I .. dead?"

He sees Ranma and Akane loom large above him, their arms around each other.
Akane simply says "Sayonara".

Back to reality, Lime holds Ryouga's limp body at arm's length.  He has just
strangled him.  "Huh. He's screwed."

Suddenly, Ryouga groans.  One of his hands twitches, and an aura starts to
build around them.  Lime realises, "He's developing 'heavy spirit'!!"

Ryouga says "Die!"  Tears well up in his eyes.  "Shishihoukoudan!!"   

In the forest, Ranma sees a long pillar of "ki" lighting up the night
sky.  "Ryouga's shishihoukoudan..."

Herb wakes up, and looks over the edge of a cliff, to see a massive ball
of "ki" levelling several acres of forest.

Lime was completely pummelled into the ground.  Ryouga was staggering around,
and Mousse appeared (who had been caught in the blast :-).  They took
the 'stopping water', and ran off...


--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Nausicaa by Viz
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:03:44 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu


I've received word that Nausicaa should be the same translation and style
we're accustomed to.  All this is unconfirmed, but I believe Studio Proteus
will continue to do the translations and Viz will continue to print it up 
and distribute it.  So if this is true, then we should be getting the 
style of translations we should be accustomed to.  

Albert
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From: gainax@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu (Miss Jyanken 1992)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Video Girl Len
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:07:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: pacific.1992Nov17.100737.23925
Organization: Ohio State University; Physics Department

What has happen to Video Girl Len? Is it running monthly or was it a
one shot deal? What the hell is this version about?

-- 
Danielle Scott AKA Chun-Li " I am the strongest woman in the world!"
I am a manga artist, playing too much Super Nintendo, listening to U2,
being Miss Jyanken 1992, being Gopher Mom for AE 93, and taking the
deprived Otaku's to the promise land.......
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From: s92458km@msr.mei.co.jp (Kunio Muto,79204584,12)
Subject: Re: Quick news + questions
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Fujisawa Japan
	<axolotl.721561716@syzygy>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:24:15 GMT


	Last time it was Kodansha. This time, it's Shougaku-kan.. But
somehow, I'm not in a good mood, so I'm going to make it very crude...


Shounen Sunday - for ages 11- targeted for otaku-ish people, as well
as the inner city kids... 

Young Sunday - Same as above, except for older guys... My impression
is that it's weight is more on the inner-city than otaku... 

Big Comic series - You have Big Comic, Big Comic Spirits, Big Comic
Superior, and Big Comic Original. I guess there used to be one "Big
Comic," but then, I'm not sure because I'm not that old... But I have
heard that Big Comic used to be a magazine for pre-Sunday kids...
(forgot the name) But since sales fell, it changed to Big Comics,
changing the target from little kids to grown-ups. Big Comics used to
have Area 88, and other stuff, that boosted its sales.. 

There is also a Manga Sunday, but I don't think it's by
Shougakukan.... (I'm not sure..., however.) 



				The kunedog (s92458km@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
				Freshman, Keio Univ. SFC. 
				Faculty of Policy Management
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:52:30 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Kodansha: who cares?

I think it was a mistake to ever bring this to the attention of Kodansha
in the first place. As a general rule, any corporation is going to be
bloody-mindedly protective of their copyrights, even to ridiculous, stupid
extremes. (Witness Paramount Pictures' stomping on Antarctic's _Star
Trekker II_...) The only way to keep out of the way of their lawyers
is to keep them ignorant.

The moral: If you're doing something with a company's characters or something
they have a copyright on, and it's small and unlikely to attract too much
attention...

DON'T TELL THEM. Don't ask them for permission, because they will say no,
no matter how harmless what you're doing is.

To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem. :-/

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
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From: yongseok@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Yongseok Park)
Subject: How to buy these mangas in Lafayette,IN area ?
Keywords: manga
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:49:14 GMT

I have been interested in Japanese mangas for a long time.
I am wondering if I can buy some in USA.
I live in West Lafayette, Indiana, USA, which is in the middle of
Chicago and Indianapolis.
Is there any mail order possible ?
I will really appreciate your help.
Thanks.

yongseok


















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From: mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High)
Subject: RIP Star Trekker II
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 05:05:05 GMT


Indeed, Paramount issued a cease and desist order concerning Star Trekker
  II, which may or may not mean it will make it to the comics shelves.
  (pending review).  

Even so, if you have our hands on the original Star Trekker GN, count
yourself lucky.

More news later...

  - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Kodansha says NO to net translations
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:47:48 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <axolotl.721806357@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
 > It IS possible that Kodansha could lose money off net translations
 > (though extremely unlikely, but that will take a lot of explaining).
 > Nothing posted to Usenet is safe from copyright violation -- go and ask
 > on news.admin if you don't believe me.
 >  
 > This should not affect the day-to-day life of rec.arts.manga or any
 > ftp sites.  However, if someone sees a Kodansha translation that's
 > posted without the author's permission, it's now clear: they have
 > every right to refer the matter to Kodansha.

But if they're not going to bother with the hundreds of bootlegged
manga in the asian region, what likelihood is there of them trying to
prosecute a tiny few otakus, who by their reckoning don't even "exist"
(in the monetary sense).

As long as we are self-regulating, I think we're as safe as all the
people who have done scripts/translations for anime on rec.arts.anime.
Heck, if anything, William Chow would be up to his eyeballs in dog poo
if there was a problem.

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From: cstewart@npal.rn.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Appleseed...too old?
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:15:52 EDT
Organization: PalNet -- Indianapolis, Indiana

Nope, Appleseed is still available as far as I know, Definitly copies  of the
graphic novels sitting in Range Line Comicvs here, and old Appleseed comics in
the Independents box.
By the way anyy relevant iinformation coming out of this thread will go into
the Shirow Puma_Faq being compiled hrer at Puma-Central.

PUMA!

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OH NO!!!>>>> Hitomi's in a sunsuit AGAIN??? Deunan must be coming over again...
A slightly frazzled Yoshi.
In article <9211221358.aa00300@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, dlo@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
writes:
> Could someone please tell me what the comics are about in relation to the anime? I've only seen one or two of the graphic novels and because they weren't #1's
> I didn't buy them.  I want to collect them all but is Appleseed so old that
> getting them all would be an impossibility?  BTW what's Eclipes Comic's number?
> Thanks in advancd
> Dick
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Dojinshi
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:36:28 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia

Well, I finally got issue 1 of Dojinshi. Not to put it down or
anything, but I was expecting more/different things from it.

Were the manga actually done by Japanese, or by someone at Antarctic
and written in Japanese? The issue didn't make this very clear.

Interesting, but imho not really worth the price tag (especially in
Australia, with the air mail distribution to the comic shops).

I don't want to put down western attempts at introducing this sort of
thing, but I think it should have been done "american". Do a proper
dojinshi, with american artists doing the "dojinshi" thing, and I think
it'd be more "relevant" and appealing.

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From: gainax@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chun-Li)
Subject: Re: Masamune--Ghost in the shell?
Keywords: Masamune 
Organization: Ohio State University; Physics Department
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.010410.12364@leland.Stanford.EDU> natas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aaron Urbina) writes:
>Hi,
>
>	Anyone know if Ghost in the shell has been translated? I've got the
>japanese version, and I'm just itch'in to see what the characters are actually
>saying! :]
>
>	Thanks,
>	Aaron
>	natas@leland.stanford.edu

It might be coming out through Dark Horse maybe in color, but since the Viz 
color thang they might not do it and just leave it B&W.
Hmm, after Orion should be Appleseed 5 or Ghost in the Shell

-- 
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I am a manga artist, playing too much Super Nintendo, listening to U2,
wondering how much time I have, being Gofer Mommy for Anime Expo 93,
and taking deprived Otaku's to the promised land........
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:59:33 -0500 
From: Kenichiro Tanaka <kt12+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: >Kodansha: r.a.m. cares. (WS)
	<1992Nov23.102055.10322@netcom.com>

On 23-Nov-92 in Re: >Kodansha: r.a.m. cares..
user Steven E Barnes@netcom.c writes:
>I'm sorry, but I still don't understand.  Bandai, Sunrise, 
>et al have not gone after fan subtitlers, even though many of 
>these guys advertise their presence on the net.  Since fan-duping 
>is considered theft, and the product involved is much more expensive 
>than manga, why should we get concerned about manga scripts, which 
>are of little value without the corresponding manga?

We should be concerned because it's _wrong_.  You can rationalize it all
you want but it's still illegal.  I don't know how international
copyrights work and whether or not Kodansha can actually enforce their
copyright here but even if they can't, since they have explicitly stated
that they do not want these translations distributed, you should respect
their wishes.

And the idea that "we don't _have_ to ask permission" is lame.  It's
just saying that you can do whatever you want as long as you can get
away with it.


Ken
From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Exile Saga
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:04:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <5907@sumax.seattleu.edu> kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chih-Ping Kuo) writes:
>well, after weeks of resisting I finally bought Yu Kinutani's 
>Exile Saga, Chapter of Silver Dragon, of the PC Comix.  since I 
>know virtually absolutely nothing (except that Yu is doing Angel
>Paradigm in Comp now) about this series, any info will be welcome.
>like is this a continuation of some other books? any follow ups? 
>story, background, etc.  

All I know is that Exile Saga is a side story of Dunbine (another
Tomino anime). There are several books available on Dunbine and I
believe they'll help you understand the Dunbine Universe.



Tonghyun "Vajra" Kim
Operation X/UC Herald
tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
From: michaele@nagisa.nsg.com.au (Michael J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Quick news + questions
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:45:22 GMT
Organization: Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus
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Kunio Muto,79204584,12 (s92458km@msr.mei.co.jp) wrote:

> Monthly Jump - Somehow, I don't read this... Someone else should
> inform...

I picked up December's issue earlier this month.  It seems to be mostly Bad
Boy and sport manga.  The only one that tickled my fancy was Kishin Dojii
Zenki which starts in the December issue.  It reminds me of Mamono Hunter
Yoko with addition of Zenki (a fierce god?) who as punishment for attacking
the girl he was supposed to defend gets changed back to child form.  I
wouldn't rate it high but it does standout from the rest of that issue.
[and I'll probably pick the next couple of issues at least].

Michael
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From: umsitho0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dennis Hai Choon Sithoo)
Subject: how manga is done
Summary: How are manga produced?
Keywords: manga productions
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: all
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:16:08 GMT

  Hello everyone! I am posting here in the hopes that someone will tell me
how manga is made. I would like to know everything from the planning
stages all the way to when it hits the book shelves.

 I know somethings about layouts, bristol board and half toning but only
on a basic level. Any information is appreciated as I am very intrigued by
the concepts.
                      Thanks.


                               -signed:someone who is devoted to GUNBUSTER-

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From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Subject: Re: Narumi Kakinouchi
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:21:08 GMT


 Oh, in case those of you didn't know, there is a comic novel by Akita Shoten,
called "Vampire Miyu", and costs 980 yen. The illustration is by Kakinouchi
Narumi, and story edited by Hirano Toshihiro.

Chibi

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From: akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes)
Subject: Re: >Kodansha: r.a.m. cares. (WS)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:20:55 GMT


I'm sorry, but I still don't understand.  Bandai, Sunrise, 
et al have not gone after fan subtitlers, even though many of 
these guys advertise their presence on the net.  Since fan-duping 
is considered theft, and the product involved is much more expensive 
than manga, why should we get concerned about manga scripts, which 
are of little value without the corresponding manga?

In reality, we are helping spread interest in their product,
but I doubt they see things this way.  This guy at Kodansha
is more interested in preventing possible copyright violations
than helping English-speaking fans.

If you can convince them otherwise, then more power to you.
I think that it is better not to bring it to their attention.
After they complain, then you explain.

-steve

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