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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stiff back problems  (was help with stubborn horse)
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:43:13 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Sep9.200950.11916@cco.caltech.edu>, deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
> In article <14589@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>>
>>... Someone suggested that he might be "cold-backed", and this is now my
>>current theory.  I always thought that term referred only to tension
>>when girthing up.  But yesterday, I decided to longe Monty for 15
>>min with lots of trot canter transitions, really letting him warm
>>up without worrying about carrying me. When I got on, he was an
>>absolute angel! ...
> 
> Ah!  When I first got my old horse Cappy, the only way I could successfully
> warm him up was on the lounge.  My seat wasn't stable enough to
> get him to stretch and warm up those back muscles, but once he had
> done it on his own, he was much better.  I used side reins to help
> encourage the stretch, and now that I have had some experience with
> the gouge/chambon I think that (correctly adjusted, not too short)
> might have helped as well.
> 
> After six months or so, Cappy had gotten stronger and I had gotten
> more in tune with him and then I was able to warm him up just as
> well mounted as on the lounge!
> 
> Good luck, and good going!
> 
>       Debbie
> !

A friend of mine has a twelve year old daughter who is an excellent rider,
shows extensively and wins often.  Her show horse is a QH gelding named
Vegas.  If she doesn't lunge him for at least twenty minutes each direction
before she gets on him, he will throw her higher 'n a kite!

Just about the most cold backed horse I've EVER seen.  After he is lunged
down, he does just fine.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Changing headers (WAS: Re: A Basic GlossarySCUP)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.182656.1@scivax.stsci.edu> rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.173218.19745@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep8.234102.1@scivax.stsci.edu>,
>> rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>>  [ lots of stuff deleted ]
>> You know what, not only to I rarely even LOOK at the header, but I
>> have no idea in the world as to how to change it. If you could tell
>> me how, I'd be happy to.
>> 
>> Anyone?
>> 
>Aww, don't be so hard on yourself!  I'm posting from a VAX cluster, and I guess
>it's easier done here than on your machine.  When I post a followup from the
>VAX, I get prompted to change the header, if I want.  Maybe someone from 
>the SUNny side could tell us....
>Rosalie "wise-guy" Ewald
>

Then again, if you are on a Unix system using 'rn' and post a followup
message (press F) then the whole message goes into the edit buffer including
the Subject: line.   Personally I like this approach.
:-)


--
Rudy Vener uucp: att!mtqua!rudy  internet: rudy@mtqua.att.com
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: We gave her back
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:04:53 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <3030352@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
> In rec.equestrian, Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>     Thanks to all of you who posted when I had questions about our
>     untrained quarter horse.  Even though my daughter has been riding
>     and has taken lessons for 6 years, she's 12, Ellie (the horse)
>     was just too much for her.  Thanks to all your posts, she accepted
>     this fact and we are now looking for a trained 5+ quarter horse.
>     Missi, my daughter, is into gaming and even took two 5th places
>     at her first horse show 2 months ago.  Ellie is now being trained
>     by a pro.
>     Thanks again everyone.  Wish us luck in our search.
>     Jean 
> 
> Jean,  
> 
> When looking for your next horse, think about getting one that
> is over 10 years old.  At that age, a well trained horse has
> seen just about everything and excepts the wild things that 
> happen around it.  They are also generally forgiving of new
> owners.  Also, 10 years old is not that old.  A good horse will
> have 10+ more years of excellent service left.
> 
> Wendy
> 

I have to second this very excellent advice.  In fact, don't overlook horses
that are over 15.  I've got Star Signal here, a gorgeous Saddlebred that
Leigh Casey loaned me, he's a really lovely horse,  very calm, looks beautiful
under saddle and is trained to the 'inth degree!   If he were ten years 
younger he would be worth a fortune.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patty Hansen)
Subject: Re: Putting an End to Nipping/Biting
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:34:57 GMT

Many years ago, I read an article about getting a horse to stop
biting.  The author recommended getting a long rubberband and
stretching it out, so that if the horse tried to bite, you could
zing his nose with the rubberband.  Like the needle and cork idea,
this didn't involve any hand movement.  I've never tried it or
known anyone who did, so who knows?

Just an idea,

Patty
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:24:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.215739.1834@nb.rockwell.com>,
reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep04.180810.30680@watson.ibm.com>, mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:
>
>The Children's and A/A Jumpers are usually split out here (at least in
>So. Cal.).  The only time they usually combine is if there is a classic
>offered at that show which is the only class that ever offers money in
>Childrens or A/A Jumpers.  These classes usually are set at 3'6"-3'9".
>I think Gwyn was referring to the leagues that you mentionned when saying
>she wished we had something like that out here (correct me if I'm wrong
>Gwyn).

Yes, this is what I meant. It bugs me that so often, the A/A classes
have like 40 entries, and the A/O's have about 6, yet it's the A/O's
that get the classics, the money, etc. Even worse is the fact that
all the A/O's use the Junior-Amateur Modified division as a
"little warm-up class." No chance at ribbons for those who are
moving up through the ranks! But that's a petty gripe, I guess. Hey
Mary, do you have Jr/Amateur Modified divisions where you are? It's
a great transition class! 3'9" to 4'0", with harder courses but
nothing quite as daunting as the A/O's.

>I've seen several shows recently offering a Low Children's- A/A
>division (I think 2'9"- 3'0" if I remember correctly).  These classes
>do have the adults and children combined.  I think there are more amateurs
>moving to the jumper division than hunter division in recent years--at
>least out here the A/A, Modified Jr/Am, and A/O divisions are much bigger
>in jumpers than hunters.  It's quite possible that more divisions are
>being created to support the bigger interest in the jumpers.  I think
>for many amateurs, an A/A jumper is more affordable than an A/A hunter.
>Have you had any of the Low Children's- A/A classes starting on the
>East Coast?

Actually, I kind of think this Low Children's/AA division is a
travesty. I mean, people can just RUN and the horses can pick up all
four legs to save their lives, and it's the people who run the
fastest who win, rather than those who actually ride. It seems odd,
to have a jumper class that's lower than a decent-sized hunter
class. (Power and Speed? Give me a break.) Anyway, there's a
flame-fest in the making....oh well, anyone got any marshmallows?

>BTW Foxfield only offers the Jumping Derby in their fall show for amateur
>jumpers. It's a bit much for most A/A horses/riders.  Although the height
>is not substantial (3'6" - 3'9"), the course tends to be very difficult--
>leaving the stadium to go out over an open field course with banks, ditches,
>and open water.

This sounds like fun (ker-SPLASH!!) but I wonder how many people
they get, if it isn't rated? Or is it the same weekend as the
Foxfield Finals, so people come just for fun?

=gwyn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Trucks
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:03:20 GMT


Our F150 that we tow with has automatic-overdrive, but
we always tow in the "D", not the "OD", position. This
is what the Forsd manual says to do. We use the OD when
driving without the trailer.

Our auto-overdrive tranny has given us no problems.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Jr/Am Jumper DivisionsIn article <1992Sep9.164407.12914@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:58:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rockwell International


> In article <1992Sep08.220231.39855@watson.ibm.com>,
> mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:
> >
> >Same divisions, different terminology.  Here the Modifieds go to 4'6" while
> >they do have (again, at some shows) the Low Jr-A/O which is 3'9 - 4'0.  I'm
> >pretty sure that the regular Jr.-A/O's can't go in the Low A/O's, but I'll
> >double check.
> 
The regular modifieds do go to 4'6" out here, but that's different than our
Jr/Am Modifieds.


> So let me get this straight -- where you are it's:
> 1) Low Children's/Low AA's (at some shows) -- 3'0"
> 2) Children's/AA -- 3'6"
> 3) Low Jr-A/A -- 3'9" - 4'0"
> 4) Modified Jr-A/O -- 4'0" - 4'6"
> 5) Junior/A/O -- 4'3" - 4'9" (?)
> 
> Is this right? In CA it's like this:
> 1) Low Children's/AA (some shows) -- 3'0"
> 2) Children's/AA -- 3'6"
> 3) Jr-Amateur Modified -- 3'6" - 4'0"
> 4) Junior/A/O -- 4'0" - 4'9"

Along with the Low Children's/AA I've seen a Low Jr/AO Division--
ususally 3'9" to 4'3".  That seems similar to what you're seeing on
the east coast, Mary.  Are they having those divisions up north yet,
Gwyn?  I've only seen them at the bigger shows down here.

> 
> Yes, it seems to me that, especially at the smaller shows where the
> fences aren't too imposing, a lot of people can get away with being
> sloppy at 3'6". It's too bad that the AA divisions (supposedly for
> beginners) can be abused by people who just want to win.  They
> should be moving up and on, but instead they stay in the low jumpers
> and literally run away with all the ribbons.

The way I figure these is that they're not helping themselves by running
and jumping in the Childrens/AA division.  In fact, they're doing more
harm than good, since they're not learning what they need to in order
to move up a division.  I just don't figure on being able to win in the
AA division, and use that as a stepping stone to Modifieds and A/O's
rather than as an end in itself.


> 
> It reminds me of this girl I remember, who showed at the rated shows
> and got, like, 4ths. But whenever she could, she'd go to any
> schooling show within 50 miles, and win every class. Why bother? OF
> COURSE she outclassed them, but it seemed unfair and
> unsportsmanlike. ACK! PFFFT!
> 

I knew of one girl who had gone to a schooling show with a horse that
did not belong there.  She asked the judge afterward what she was doing
wrong as she had placed 2nd in every class, and he told her that she
didn't belong at this level!  I thought that was a great move on the
judge's part...

Diane
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stiff back problems  (was help with stubborn horse)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 16:26:52 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Sep13.214220.152@cco.caltech.edu>
deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
  The idea is to adjust the
 >reins long enough so that the horse's natural head carriage is
 >not restricted by them, and you have to drive them forward into
  >taking a contact just as you do when ridden. 
  
How do you do this?  When I use the whip at the trot, he either
canters or just gets quicker at the trot.

 >Is anything correlated with his good and bad days?  Turnout or lack
 >thereof, jumping work the previous day, trail ride the previous day,
 >ridden by someone else the previous day, stood in his stall
 >all day? 

He seems to be better on the weekend when I ride in the evening, and
whenever I'm not taking a lesson.  So it could be tension on my part,
or it could be that he's more limber in the evening than in the
morning, or it could be that he likes the UGLY way I ride when my
instructor's not correcting me.  She tries to get me to hollow my back
and put my shoulders back, rather than looking like a sack of flour,
but since I'm not used to sitting up so straight I think it makes me
stiffer and more likely to bounce.  If I round my back and lean back I
can sit his trot much better, for example.

 >Any signs of foot trouble, tooth (or other mouth)
 >trouble?
 
We've just had his teeth floated, but I'd like to try a milder bit and
see if he'd be more accepting of it.  Trouble is that I own about 10
bits but they are all harsher than the one he has now.  Soon I will
own one of every kind of bit on the market!

Sarah Pallas and Monty


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick)
Subject: Re: trucks?
Summary: my two cents....
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:08:07 GMT

In article <Sep11.174831.17338@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel) writes:
> I find all this discussion on towing vehicles interesting, since I will
> most likely be getting one myself someday.  However, I have noticed that
> everyone seems to have large, heavy duty trucks.  Yet, I know someone
> where I lease that tows a two horse trailer and one horse with a Jeep
> Cherokee.  I do not know if it has a special engine or anything (I am
> sure it is a V6) but I wondered that no one mentioned a smaller vehicle.
> 
> Second, don't they do it differently in Europe, i.e. use sedan cars like
> Volvos and Mercedes?  I seem to remember a brief discussion on this,
> about their lighter trailers and such.  I am curious.  Any of our friends
> across the pond have an opinion?  
> 
> 							     Jill
> 
> 
> *  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
> * meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
> *                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 

Jill,

I have an Explorer that I use to pull my two-horse trailer. It is a V6 with an
automatic (W/overdrive). I did get the "towing package" which included a larger
radiator and wiring. I was careful about the trailer that I bought. I kept it
as light as possible, nothing fancy, no dressing room. But the truck pulls it
like a dream, with one or two horses! Now, I don't climb mountains, but it will
handle the terrain around Michigan!

Pat & Golden Ghost
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse GIF images
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:14:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <92247.36762.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>Would the person who posted about enjoying the GIF images on their
>>Sun machine (or anyone else with a Sun) e-mail me (a novice Internet/Sun
>>user) on how to do this?
>>
>>Thx in advance.
>>
>Or could you post it here for some of us who didn't ask the very
>good question? **embarrassed grin**
>Susan

OK.  Here we go again.. :-)  

First a bit of explanation.  The image was big. Really big. I mean in 
comparison with your normal netnews post was gigantic, on the order of 
half a megabyte.  This is a little bit much for most netnews servers so 
the author split it in half before posting it here.  But wait! There's
more! Not only did he split it in half but he also converted it from a 
binary to a text format.  This was purely for the benefit of netnews
servers which barf on binary files but happily eat text files.

So what's to do?

First off you need to copy the postings (both halves) to temporary files.
Call them temp1 and temp2.  If you use the 'rn' netnews reader (like me)
you can do this easily with the 's' command.  Next step is to edit the
files to remove the headers and blank lines.  The temp1 file will contain
the name of the original file in its first line of data.  This should be
the top line of temp1. In temp2 remove the netnews or mail header so that 
the first line of the actual data is at the top. 

Next step, you need to merge the two temp files. The following Unix comman
will do this:

cat temp1 temp2 > temp3

This will merge the two temp files into a new file, temp3.  

Lastly you need to decode the file to convert it from text back into 
binary format. The command for this is:

uudecode temp3

If all went well, you now have a half megabyte image file called horse4.gif
in your directory where all this activity took place.  As the suffix indicates,
this is an image file in the Compuserve Graphics Image File format and can be 
viewed with most Sun   image viewing tools.  If you have the Sun tool 'xv'
then xv horse4.gif will put a gorgeous image of horse running through a 
meadow with a spectacular mountain range in the background.  Enjoy!

--
Rudy Vener uucp: att!mtqua!rudy  internet: rudy@mtqua.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: National Horse Show - question
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 06:05:03 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I too have the dates somewhere although the range that was indicated, first wee
k November is probably correct. Good tickets are always hard to get and should
be ordered as soon as possible. There was a mailing to USET members a few weeks
ago, but public sale doesn't start usually until early October. Remember, the
show is no longer in Manhattan, its out at the Meadowlands in nearby NJ. Easy
to reach, but still NJ. For me, except for the addition of coaching, the show
isn't the same.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Subject: Re: trucks?
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:53:27 GMT


We have a Ford F150 4WD 5.0L Automatic-Tranny longbed, with the
camper/trailer option. We also have a 4-horse semi-stock trailer.
This combination succesfully moved us from Albany, New York to
Phoenix, Arizona, over 2800 miles, with about 400 pounds of gear,
200 pounds of water, and 300 pounds of hay and feed. Oh, and
the two horses of course. We had no serious problems, however,
the 5.0L couldn't maintain more than 40MPH on some of the long
uphills going up to the continental divide.

A 5.0L V8 is the smallest engine I'd use to tow.
A full-size pickup is the smallest vehicle I'd use.
A class 4 hitch, with stabilizer bars, is the lightest hitch I'd use.
For light trucks, only automatic transmissions can tow over a ton.
4WD is good to get you out of the mud.
Dual fuel tanks are a neccessity, not a convenience.
The heavy-duty engine cooling, stiffer suspension and upgraded
electrical of the towing/camper package is a must.

For long trips, an escort vehicle provides not only a go-fer
vehicle for emergencies, but is also invaluable for wiping
tailgaiters off the trailer's rear, and making a space in
the right-hand lane when you have to take an exit ( and for
left, right and rear inspections of the load, of course ).
Of course, you have to have CB radios to keep in touch.


--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:10:25 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

/ hpspdla:rec.equestrian / karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz) writes:



>
>DO NOT get an overdrive 
>automatic transmission.  If you get an automatic, get a 3 speed 
>and have an RV shift kit put in if it doesn't already have one.
>

Out of curiosity, what's the problem with overdrive automatic
transmissions? ( After all, the recent Fords all have them)
And, pardon my stupidity, but what's an "RV shift kit"???

Enquiring minds want to know.


>>Thanks in advance for your help!!			
>
>My pleasure.  Good luck.
>
>Regards,
>Karl Maerz
>karlm@sequent.com

----------

Kyle Karnosh
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tlw@athena.mit.edu (Traci Williams)
Subject: Re: HELP!  My horse has a lump...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:31:47 GMT

In article <14443@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms) writes:
|> 
|> I'm wondering if I can get some much-needed advice about a lump I've noticed on
|> my horses' neck.
|> 

It's been a few days, but I didn't notice any answer to this, so I'll put in my
two cents worth.

It may just be a cyst, which is formed when a pore gets clogged. Although
unsightly, 
they are harmless unless they are in a place, such as under the saddle,
were they might get irritated.

Or, unfortunately, it could be something worse.  A horse I knew started developing
several lumps in the throatlatch area that turned out to be benign cancer tumors.
The horse was fine, and I have seen other horses with similiar conditions that
are
doing fine. The only danger is that they could resist the horse's esohaugus and
breathing tube. 
So if you notice othe rlumps forming, by all means have a vet check them out.

Good luck! I hope everything turns out ok!

Traci Williams

From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:11:39 GMT
Subject: Re: We gave her back
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

In rec.equestrian, Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

    Thanks to all of you who posted when I had questions about our
    untrained quarter horse.  Even though my daughter has been riding
    and has taken lessons for 6 years, she's 12, Ellie (the horse)
    was just too much for her.  Thanks to all your posts, she accepted
    this fact and we are now looking for a trained 5+ quarter horse.
    Missi, my daughter, is into gaming and even took two 5th places
    at her first horse show 2 months ago.  Ellie is now being trained
    by a pro.
    Thanks again everyone.  Wish us luck in our search.
    Jean 

Jean,  

When looking for your next horse, think about getting one that
is over 10 years old.  At that age, a well trained horse has
seen just about everything and excepts the wild things that 
happen around it.  They are also generally forgiving of new
owners.  Also, 10 years old is not that old.  A good horse will
have 10+ more years of excellent service left.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Farriers and a question (was Re: Can You Believe...)
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:12:27 GMT

> 
> We once went through three ferriers till we settled on the last.
                             ^^^^^^^^
 I can't control it anymore. :-)  The word is FARRIERS.

(What can I tell you -  I'm a tech writer.)

jan

P.S. Can someone email me and tell me if my posts about the injured 
horses in South Florida have made it out to the net world?  I haven't
seen any replies, and I'm not always sure stuff from here is
getting out.  Thanks.

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