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From: dudding@sallyride.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: helping kids fall asleep
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:23:06 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

This worked well for my 7 year old son and his visiting 9 year old cousin.
I don't know if it can be adopted for use with kids as young as 3...

BTW the challenging part of our situation was that the boys were sleeping in
the same room AND that my nephew has been known to stay up past midnight,
sleeping late the next morning.  My son had to be up by 7:00 to get to
a science class...  Hence it would be easiest if my nephew went to bed at the
same time as my son.

The first night, I announced about 45 minutes before bedtime that it was time
for them to get ready for bed, and after that I'd read until 9:30.  The faster
they got ready, the more reading I'd be able to do -- it was their choice.
Then I started reading them one of the Narnia books -- travel to
a different world with talking animals and other creatures, going on adventures,
etc.  But I insisted that they had to lie still on their beds and not fuss
with anything, just listen quietly, since that was the purpose of my reading
to them, to get them quieted down after their busy day.  If they
couldn't lie quietly, I'd stop reading for the night.  My nephew 
needed a few reminders the first night to lie quietly, but on the second,
he saw my son goofing around in bed and said, "Mark, stop it!  She'll stop
reading!!"  When the clock chimed 9:30, I stopped reading as soon as I got
to a 'calm place' in the story.  When they protested, I reminded them that 
we had had a deal, and I'd done my part.  If they wanted me to read longer 
the next night, they could get ready for bed earlier and/or faster.

I also read some of the book to calm them down before dinner and to
amuse them in the car (when I wasn't driving ;-)

BTW When I make deals like this with kids, I listen to what they have to
say, keep on adjusting the arrangements until everyone is satisfied,
then say, using a lot of eye contact, something like, "Great, now we have
a deal.  Let's get going on it."  So they're fully committed to it, and
usually keep to our bargin.  For more details on this technique, see
HOW TO LISTEN SO KIDS TALK AND TALK SO KIDS LISTEN by Adele Faber and Elaine M?

Good luck.
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: startled 9yo!
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:29:54 GMT

In article <Brwv3J.A7B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>
>1. Why does Rebecca think there's something "icky" about
>urine or embarassing about urination?  Is it possible
>you've inadvertantly imparted those "values"?

I am sure a 9 year old has many other influences than her family.
>
>2. This may sound sexist, but I think this is at least in
>part a gender-specific thing.  Guys often look at urination as a
>ritual ( though I suspect most boys would be reluctant to pee in
>a cup for mom).

Well bully for you! Sheesh! What is your point?

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:09:34 GMT

In a recent misc.kids article, romal@refosco.UUCP (Roma Levy) wrote:
>
>Very often, counting works well, too.  If David doesn't respond to a request,
>I start counting in a loud and stern voice.  I almost never make it to 2.
>The funny thing is, we've never issued a threat of punishment attached to
>the counting.  I guess whatever David imagines will happen is worse than
>what will happen.

I have a friend who used the counting method with her kids. It worked
with the eldest until one day when he was 16. Then he suddenly realized
how silly it was for a six foot tall person to sulkily walk to his room
because his mother said "one... two... three..." He didn't say anything,
but the look on his face was definitely worth seeing.

Marcy

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  SoftQuad (West)			
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From: sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 22 Jul 1992 16:04:58 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul22.192100.6996@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker) writes:
>Hi misc.kidders.  I am due for my first (only?) child around Thanksgiving,
>and have a close friend due several weeks later.  
>
>This morning we were commiserating about this and came up with the idea of
>sharing a nanny.  I was wondering if anyone had ever done anything like this?


A friend of mine and I who had babies 3 months apart also toyed with
this idea.  However, we did not actually do it since we live a
distance away from each other... and I am glad we did not do it.  Anu
goes to the daycare and for a L-O-N-G time had a cold. (For the past
three weeks she has been fine !!) My friend is paranoid about germs
and has been very uncomfortable about visiting us or having us visit.
I just shudder about how things would have turned out if we had shared
a care giver.  We probably would have destroyed our friendship.  Now,
we just talk on the phone.  I do think that she is paranoid but can
understand how she feels.

I agree it is much cheaper (apart from having other benefits) and if
you feel confident that you can work things out with your friend go
ahead.  

Sudha



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:52:15 GMT
Reply-To: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


|>The downsides are as follows:
|>	EFM's confine you to bed on your back

I've seen this so many times that I can no longer resist posting.

An EFM was used during my labor.  When I expressed concern about its
possibly being in the way, the nurse assisting my labor said that I shouldn't
worry about that.  SHE would move it and readjust it.  I had a wonderful
labor.  I was able to lie very relaxed on my side much of the time (my
preference).  And when it came time to push (and push and push and push
and push..), the nurse and the OB resident suggested a variety of
positions, NONE
of them on my back.  And I found comfort in hearing the heartbeat of the
monitor (I think I probably adopted it as part of the relaxation.)

SO...at least in my experience, I felt absolutely unconstrained by the monitor.
I had no desire to walk around.  But then my labor proceeded fairly quickly
(only 6.5 hours, 5 of them in the hospital).

Barbara
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: [2yo] Recommendations for a tricycle?
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:01:36 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths) writes:

>I like Fisher Price's plastic tricycle.  Also playschool, or little tykes,
>can't remember which one, has come out recently with a new trike that can
>eventually be converted to a small bike.  The main thing is the correct
>seat to pedal setting.  I bought my son a "big wheel" when he was 1.75 yrs
>old.  He was able to push it around for a long time, but didn't ride it
>with the pedals until he was way past 3.

There are smaller trikes for toddlers.  As best I can remember, the small
"big wheels" have a 9" wheel, as opposed to 16" for the regular ones.
I got one at Toys R Us, but I had to ask where to look, because it was not
in the same place as the regular ones.
-- 
Every child shall be treated with complete respect.

Glen Ecklund             glen@cs.wisc.edu          (608) 262-5084
Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St.
University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Little Train That Could... He or She??
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:27:01 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1992Jul27.190354.10209@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV (Duane Beach) writes:
 
>
>I remember the story, _The Little Train That Could_, from my childhood and
>recall that the train was a male figure.  The Putnam Press version I now read
>to my 3 year old uses a female "little train".  Has the story been "updated"?
>
>The book's cover says it is the original version, but then goes on to say,
>"as retold by Watty Piper".  If it's the original version, why REtell it?
>
 
Why REtell it?  To be more Politically Correct. Whatever that means.
From: celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: in-law discipline question
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:22:45 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

In article <1992Jul21.154159.2478@kodak.kodak.com>, salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio) writes:
> It's not fare to a child to punish them for something that another
> child is doing in front of them.  I feel I can't control everything,
> but what goes on in my home is one thing I can.
> Nanette
> salvaggi@acadia.kodak.com 

It may not be fair to punish them for something that another child
is getting away with but it also isn't fair to allow them to do
something that is not normally allowed in your home. IMHO
consistency is very important.

There is always someone at school, at daycare, down the block, etc
who allow their children to do things you don't approve of. I agree
that it is harder when the child is right in front of them doing it
but it doesn't take away from the importance of your child following
your house rules.

Maybe seeing you being effective parents and disciplining your child
will encourage the other parents to try the same. Of course, I
always was an optimist    :-)

As Nanette pointed out, you don't have control over what the other
child does, all you can deal with is your child. I try (with
occasional success) to explain that I am not this other child's
parent and thus can't speak for them but I am Beth's parent and we
have house rules to follow. 

I also try for a little pre-damage control. We have some relatives
who allow their children to do things that we do not (kicking
elderly great grandmothers in the shin comes to mind). Luckily we
don't live near them and see them infrequently but when we are, I
talk to Beth before hand about Cousin XYZ may do things that we are
not allowed to. I try to keep from criticizing the other parents and
stick to what her behavior should be. I don't remember ages but a
little role playing might help if your child is old enough to
understand.

Good luck.

celia modell


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Discipline (again!)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:53:00 GMT

In article <92213.104946CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Last night, Doug and I were enjoying the yard before bathtime.  He wandered
>over to a large bed of marigolds and began pulling off the flowers, showing
>them to me, rubbing them around, etc.  My neighbor came out to visit and
>remarked, "I can't believe you are letting him do that!" Well, I had never
>really thought about it much, it didn't seem DANGEROUS, we had lots of
>flowers,...  But, it got me thinking, are we setting the stage for problems
>later if we don't start setting more rules now?  It's not like the kid is a
>terror or anything and I probably would have stopped him from picking
>someone else's flowers.  Is that too inconsistent for a baby to grasp?  I
>don't want to start something now that will cause problems later, but I also
>don't want to limit his exploring--he seems to just be at an age where he
>will go off for awhile on his own without his dad or me right there.
>
>I'd like to hear how other parents deal/dealt with discipline from about
>this age until 2 or so.

My approach was pretty much the same as your. Jeffrey is now 2 years 4.5 months
and is reasonably well behaved. I honestly think that if Doug is doing 
something that doesnt bother you, and isnt damaging anything, then there is no
problem. Both my mom and I are very lax about him picking flowers in our yards.
Why not? He does know that he cannot pick other peoples flowers. I dont know 
when we started teaching that, but he caught on just fine. (Of course, do make
sure that that they arent poisnonous - I had to stop Jeffrey from picking the
Agapanthas outside the back gate cause the sap seems to be very caustic.)

I try not to stop Jeffrey from doing things that he wants to do, but with an
active 2+ year old, it isnt very realistic. I feel like I am constantly stopping
him from doing something either dangerous, distructive, or too annoying (but I
tend to have a high tolerance to annoying things. Even trying not to restrict 
him, I am alot. So, dont worry about it, one doesnt need to restrict things 
just for the sake of it!

As he gets older it will probably become necessary to put more restrictions on
him. It will be easier then because he will understand more. For instance, it
was very easy to tell Jeffrey not to touch the agapanthas because they will
hurt his skin - before he was old enought to understand, I would just keep him
away from them. I found that when it was necessary to put restrictions on him,
I would deal with one thing at a time, so as not to be constantly saying no.

I think you are doing a fine job.
>

Laura Floom
From: lynnf@informix.com (Lynn Felise)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Perms, Dyes, and pregnancy ????
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:53:54 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <8ePJL6G00WB2M1dUNl@andrew.cmu.edu> sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
>Do that many people really do these dangerous things while pregnant?  Geeze,
>you're not even supposed to be around the fumes, let alone have the stuff
>soak into your scalp and then into your bloodstream!  My barber (she hates
>the word hairdresser) wasn't even allowed to be in the shop when a perm or
>coloration was being done, she learned about these dangers in beauty school!
>
>-Shirl
>
>PS: I am quite down too, I lighten my waist length hair and am not looking
>forward to 9 months of roots!


I got perms with both Zachary and this pregnancy... but my hairdresser will 
only do perms during the second trimester.  I have had no problems with the 
perms not staying in (they usually last 6 to 8 months).  And just as long
as the room was very well ventilated she saw no problems and I made sure that
there was a fan in front of me blowing fumes away... makes life a little
easier with my perm.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS)
Subject: Pre Conception Books
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:05:28 GMT

Hello to all you parents out there. I have been reading this news 
group for a while but this is the first time I've had a reason to
post.
 
My husband and I have decided to start our family. We want to start
trying in January. What I'm wondering is, does anyone know of a good 
book on preconception that I should read. It would also help if you
knew if it was available in Canada. Or if you have any advice to pass
along it would be most appreciated.
 
Thanks in advance 
Kathy
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re; Strep B?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 07:29:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I just asked my OB if he tests for this routinely and he said no.  That
since they regularly test urine, something would show up there.  So now
I am wondering how so many babies are being born with it.  Is it
because we are coming down with it right before delivery?  I guess we
should seriously worry if we come down with flu-like symptoms towrd the
end?  Anyone know?

-Shirl
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Cost of giving birth???
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:41:10 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

MUCH cheaper if you do a home birth or a birthing center.  $3500 for the 
entire thing for me, including all prenatal and post natal care.  My 
insurance paid 100% because it wasn't a hospital.
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nice Furniture and kids
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:35:14 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <1992Jul22.193445.10704@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, wensel@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sharon Taylor) writes:
|> I'll also second the other poster who suggested getting
|> fabric colors and patterns that hide stains.  Before you
|> buy new furniture, imagine what it will look like with
|> grape juice and chip crumbs spilled all over it.  :-)

Ah, a tip from a friend of mine: white grape juice. I would think
purple grape juice should have a skull and crossbones on it in any
house with children! :-)

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: [2yo] Recommendations for a tricycle?
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:42:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Our little girl will be two in a few weeks; we'd like
to get her a tricycle for her birthday and thought
that asking for net.wisdom would be a good idea.
Anybody have any brand/model recommendations?  
Thanks for any advice,

Dave

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From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:39:06 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

We found something that worked when Rachel was around 2 months old.  A
friend visited and brought her a musical duck.  I thought it was
really cute and at her naptime, I wound it up and put it by her.  I
thought she might enjoy looking at it, but when the music
started, she visably calmed down. At that age, she was always pretty
fussy around naptime (well, okay, she was fussy most all of the time!)
I was pretty surprised at what an effect the music had on her (I don't
know why.)  The duck wore out and we replaced it with a musical bear.
If she woke in the night, we would wind the little bear up.

She now goes to sleep with a lullaby tape.  I don't know if it's
necessary, but it's calming and it covers the other noises in the
house.

This morning I turned on the radio in the car and it was a little
loud.  I turned it down and said, "oh, that was loud."  She looked at
me and said, "Noise."  A music critic already!

Kathie



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From: kdj@sw.stratus.com (Ken Jordan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:17:01 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
> 
> How comes that whenever I hear Christians talk about sheep and shepherds
> I think of fleece and mutton? Oh, and sheep's heads and the wolf in sheep's
> clothing.
> 
> In my opinion religion has done enough harm to children to get rid of it.
> 
>  							        Achim
> _____________________________________________________________________
> 
> I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
> mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
> or eat fish.

I don't understand your entire meaning above and I don't think I want to.
However, Christian religion has not harmed children.  Perhaps your childhood
or those around you who had difficult childhoods blame it on religion. I'm
sorry if this is your lasting impression. 

The major problem (and the reason for the sad state of our society) is that
parents do not know how to train or discipline their children. Children are
never taught what's right, hence they never recognize what's wrong when they
see it or become ensnared by it.  Some parents rely on the school system
to discipline their children, while others allow anyone BUT themselves
to discipline their children.  Wake up!!  These are your children, not pets!
They're a blessing.  God entrusts parents with the responsibility of 
raising of children. God is clear on how to raise children and that does
include training and discipline (Prov 33).

Many tend to equate child discipline with child abuse.  Nothing could be
further from the truth.  One can discipline their child without abusing
them.  There are those (unfortunately) who abuse their children without
disciplining.

Your .signature is inaccurate.  There is no such thing as an atheist (see
Romans 1), but there are those who are unenlightened.  Remember, you can
only serve one master!  If you are not serving God, who are you serving?

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Stratus Computer        	|"Da-da, wa-wa" - partial conversations
Marlboro, MA, USA      		| with my kids...
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sdc@nsscmail.att.com (Sheryl D. Chapin)
Subject: Re: you know you are a parent when
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:28:46 GMT


	You find yourself disciplining all sorts of "mean" creatures (witches,
                                                                      ^^^^^^^
trolls, monsters) who can't seem to understand that they aren't allowed to be

					Barbara Swain <swain@cs.umd.edu>

Please do not include witches in this category.  Witches are people who 
follow a pagan nature religion called Wicca, (of which I am one) and we
are not mean.  I am just as nice as you are.

Thank you

Sheryl (Max's Mom)

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