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From: dla@se05 (Doug Acker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: AIX 3.1.5 hosts.equiv/.rhosts
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:40:57 GMT
Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products

In article <CSH.92Jul24103502@beta.lanl.gov> csh@lanl.gov (Charles S. Henkel) writes:
>If having problems with rlogin to an rs/6000, make sure your .rhosts
>file contains the hostname that the rs/6000 *thinks* you're coming from.
>Get this by rlogging in with password, then doing a "last" command.
>
>Also make sure .rhosts is chmod 600.
>
>_C

Also be sure your DNS nameserver is working ....

also ... SUN and AIX format is differnt ... AIX doesnt support the -root
option .. that burned us for awhile
-- 
Douglas L. Acker

Western Geophysical Exploration Products
Systems Engineer
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
From: mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Subject: Re: Ethernet probs on upgrade (3.2.2)
Keywords: ethernet, 3.2
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:19:24 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.095344.1490@cti-software.nl> pim@cti-software.nl
(Pim Zandbergen) writes:
>
> mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:
>
>> How old are these machines?  They may have old PROMs on the Ethernet
>> boards.
>
>>   mycroft@hal [1]; lscfg -v -l ent0
>
> [ output deleted ]
>
>> Note the "ROS Level and ID".  If it's less than 14, you need to get
>> the appropriate engineering change.
>
> My machine has level 9. Should I expect any problems ?

Yes.

-- 
- Charles Hannum, mycroft@ai.mit.edu
  White atheist male (WAM) pride!
From: che358w@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Multiple tars on a tape. Me too !!
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:22:57 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Hi,
   I want to do multiple tars onto one tape. Say a tar of all my files this
week and another one next week and still be able to restore the files from
either archive at some later date.  This is what I've tried.
      tar -cvf/dev/rmt0.1 *
      tctl -f/dev/rmt0.1 rewind
      tctl -f/dev/rmt0.1 fsf 1
      tar -cvf/dev/rmt0.1 *
At this point I get a tar error message about invalid parameter passed to system.
Or some such nonsense. Can anyone tell me how I really should do this ?

Thanks muchly in advance.
Samantha Lane.
CHE358w@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
From: mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: ftpd 6000
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:38:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Jul23.193853.13458
Organization: /etc/organization


WARNING:  DUE TO WHAT I CONSIDER A SECURITY HOLE IN AIX 3, I STRONGLY
ADVISE YOU NOT TO TRY INSTALLING YOUR OWN FTPD.


In article <9207231655.AA22893@ipifidpt.difi.unipi.it>
mau@IPIFIDPT.DIFI.UNIPI.IT (Maurizio DAVINI) writes:
>
> I have downloaded a porting of wuarchive ftpd for RS6000 from
> ftp.egr.duke.edu. [...]

I have a version of the wuarchive ftpd which appears to work correctly
under AIX 3.2.  It is available to anyone who asks.

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- Charles Hannum, mycroft@ai.mit.edu
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: 8mm 2.3 Gig backup times
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:06:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

> 
> Am I kidding myself that I should be able to get more than 1 Gig/hour on this
> tape (we get 2Gig/hour on a Sparc/Budtool setup), or is there something
> really obvious that I've missed?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dewey Paciaffi      eddjp@huber.com

I backup roughly one gig of user files spread across four 530's onto a
550 with one of the 8mm tapes.  It takes me between two and three hours,
depending on network traffic (which can be very high) and CPU
usage (which tends to be relatively low, for the four 530s).  When making
a SMIT backup of the 550 host, it takes me about an hour (for 700+- megs). 

Matthew Melmon    mattm@apple.com / mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com
Apple Computer
From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: PC/NFS daemon version 2 on a RS/6000 ?
Keywords: PC/NFS
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:47:13 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

In article <4808@tuegate.tue.nl> ronald@lowt.phys.tue.nl (Ronald Aarts) writes:
>           cc -DUSER_CACHE -DWTMP -DUSE_YP -D_BSD -c pcnfsd_svc.c
>         405 |                         getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &rl);
>               ..................................a...................
>   a - 1506-045: (S) Undeclared variable.


to compile that code yourself, use the "#ifdef obsolete" section.
the 6000 does not have the RLIMIT_NOFILE defined. look at <sys/resource.h>


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My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |        Austin, TX
 There'll be too many elderly in 30 years for your kids to afford all the FICA.
From: albani@cadlab.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: IBM screws a few more customers
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:04:50 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

amelcuk@buphy.bu.edu (Andre Melcuk) writes:
:the only adapter in the IBM line that supports GL. There are better and
:cheaper adapters for what we do, but we can't use them. A 220, for example
:can't use sabine and hence (according to our Rep) doesn't run GL.


You can put a Sabine into a 220.

Bye, Lanfranco

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Email: (work:) albani@cadlab.sublink.org, (home:) bob@allan.sublink.org
Phone: (work:) ++39 (51) 6130360, (home:) ++39 (51) 727372; 
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From: mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Any known problems automounting mail spool files?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:55:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Jul23.185504.11957
Organization: /etc/organization


In article <1992Jul23.051557.26367@iat.holonet.net>
karches@iat.holonet.net (Tom Karches) writes:
>
> I have a client who is using the automounter on a number of client
> machines to mount the mail spool directory. When the root user logs
> in across the network and the mail is read, it appears that the
> system attempts to re-automount the mail directory where it is
> already mounted. This creates access problems on the client machines.

I automount my mail directory, and it works fine--the only catch being
that NFS locking is broken on the file server.

-- 
- Charles Hannum, mycroft@ai.mit.edu
  White atheist male (WAM) pride!
From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas x4629)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: A better dynamic loader???
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:27:51 GMT
Reply-To: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas x4629)
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc

In article <19920727.073431.240@almaden.ibm.com>, pgainer@vnet.ibm.com (Patrick Gainer) writes:
|> >In article <45628@shamash.cdc.com> pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes:
|> >>I need to be able to execute dynamically loaded modules from within another
|> >>program, but I can't seem to find the needed functionality anywhere.  What I
|> >>have right now is a program that uses load() to pull in a module and then it
|> >>calls the function pointed to by the return value of load().  This works
|>...
|> An easy way to do this is to use load(), as Mike says, then to call nlist()
|> which returns offsets of functions within a single object module, then
|> calculate the function addresses from the offsets returned by nlist() and
|> the entry point returned by load().
|> 
|> I happen to have some code which does exactly what you want - I'll send it
|> to you if you'd like.

This is exactly what I'm going to do.  Thanks to all who replied!!!
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
From: chris@endgame.gsfc.nasa.gov (Chris Shenton)
Subject: MVS CLIST for AIX? other MVS tools under AIX?
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:36:05 GMT

I'm trying to help some users move applications from MVS to AIX.
They've got scripts in CLIST and REXX, and panels in ISPF, and other
stuff with acronyms I can't decipher. My background is UNIX -- I'm
MVS-ly challenged :-)

I've found a source for REXX and ISPF, but noone has mentioned CLIST.
Any suggestions? other hints going MVS -> AIX ?

Thanks!
From: giao@harpo.seas.ucla.edu (Giao N. Tran)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: socket problem on RS6000, HELP !.
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:30:22 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA



 Greeting !....

 Would anyone please help me with this problem ?:

 Purpose:  
        Communication using socket(Internet domain, TCP type)
        functions used:  
           for server:  socket(AF_NET, SOCK_STREAM, 0)
                        bind();
                        listen();
                        accept();
                        recvfrom();
                        sendto();

           for client:  socket(AF_NET, SOCK_STREAM, 0)
                        connect();
                        sendto();
                        recvfrom();

        The data passed back and forth in the communicating are in form
        of some defined structures.

  Problem:

        The communication is perfect between PS/2's systems !.
        The same program is compiled on RS6000 and run as a client version,
        then the data received at the server (PS/2) is always incorrect.

  Question:
        1/.  Do sendto() and recvfrom() behave differently on RS6000 ?.
        2/.  The data on either end is checked before being sent, the
             correct data is sent but the wrong data is received, why ?
        3/.  Does the TCP socket type not take care of the errors during
             transmission ?.


  Any help/advice will be really appreciated.

----G.T.
From: mike@pencom.com (Mike Heath)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: AIXv3 shared-library binding anomolies
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:34:51 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Pencom Software, Austin, TX

In article <PRENER.92Jul24025541@prener.watson.ibm.com> prener@watson.ibm.com (Dan Prener) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.235023.5246@pencom.com> mike@pencom.com (Mike Heath) writes:
>>They are bound at link time, but the relocation information is retained.
>>They could be rebound at load-time, but rebinding to an out-of-module
>>routine would further complicate the program loader.  Also, how would
>>the memory segment be shared among multiple processes?
>
>The calls from one routine in a shared library to another routine in
>a shared library can not be rebound at load time, since the only field
>that is relocated is the (relative) displacement in the branch-and-link
>instruction, and the instructions in shared library routines are shared
>by all processes.  Therefore you cannot change the target of the branch
>for one process without changing it for all processes.

What's to prevent the program loader from roping off a segment of memory
for each process at the same address (it's already pretty strict about
addresses), shoving in a TOC that contains an entry for each local symbol
referenced in the shared object, and using the TOC to determine where to
branch?  Granted, another level of indirection takes a performance hit,
but it can be done.  You could even have ld put in the glink code when
the library is built.  Not very pretty, though.

How do other platforms do it?

Playing devil's advocate today...

-- 
Mike Heath		Pencom ...  We're not just headhunters anymore.
Pencom Software		
Austin, TX		
mike@pencom.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
From: ets@wrkgrp.COM (Edward T Spire)
Subject: Re: AIXTIPS NEWS 92221
Organization: The Workstation Group
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:49:13 GMT

afx@muc.ibm.de (Andreas Siegert) writes:
: >92233. Useful info on re-sizing primary paging space
: 
:  Scenario: You have an RS/6000 on which you want to install a large
:            application or the Munich TMSC demos.
: 
:            The primary paging space (hd6) is 80Mb. The secondary paging
:            space (hd61) is 32Mb. The machine has 32Mb of system memory.
: 
:            The available free disk space is 20Mb less than you need.

Ths gist of this seems to be that for some reason I might need a
larger primary, rather than just adding another secondary.

Why?

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From: amelcuk@buphy.bu.edu (Andre Melcuk)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Graphics adapters for 220 (was IBM s...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:38:56 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


   Of all the adapters mentioned (GTO, GT4/4x, Sabine), which ones support
GL? Phigs? Which are faster for 2D applications?

Thanks in advance,

Andrew Mel'cuk     amelcuk@black.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
From: nam@ccd.harris.com (Noahal A. Mundt)
Subject: Thank You
Summary: Thank You
Keywords: AIX 3.2 Emacs
Organization: Harris Controls and Compositions
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:39:58 GMT

For all who responded to my query concerning Emacs on AIX 3.2, I thank
you for your many informative responses.  I found Emacs 18.58 at MIT and
compiled it with very few changes.

Again, thanks for your help.

Regards,

Noahal Mundt
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From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: A better dynamic loader???
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:21:25 GMT
Reply-To: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc

Please forgive if this is an old question, but I just looked through the
last 300 posts and found no help.

I need to be able to execute dynamically loaded modules from within another
program, but I can't seem to find the needed functionality anywhere.  What I
have right now is a program that uses load() to pull in a module and then it
calls the function pointed to by the return value of load().  This works
fine, but I need to have several entry points in a single module.  And to make
things even more complex, the user creates the modules, so the program has
no idea where to call within the module.  What I really need is a function
like this:

        typedef void (func_t)(int, int);
	func_t *lookup(char *module_name, char *func_name);

The function lookup() returns a pointer to a function given the name of a
module to look in and a function name to look for.

I really want to avoid writing my own dynamic loader with the ldopen, ldclose,
etc functions.  I had to do this on an SGI and I really don't want to waste
another 2-3 weeks.  Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance
-paul
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From: kovacs@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Ernoe Kovacs)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Problem with xlC(C++) and dbx
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:05:51 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: IPVR, Uni Stuttgart, Germany
In-reply-to: kovacs@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de's message of 16 Jul 92 11:33:28 GMT

Okay,
we found out at our own cost.

dbx didn't look in the current directory for the files. It also ignores the
command line option. We put a "use ." statement in out .dbxinit file and
everything worked well. It is a pleasure to see C++ source code in dbx/xde
and to print C++ data structures.

- Ernoe
From: PHY070@DE0HRZ1A.bitnet (Heinz-Ruediger Oberhage)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: AIX 3.1.5 hosts.equiv/.rhosts
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:14:36 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:12:21 MEZ

On 25 Jul 92 06:40:57 GMT you said:
>In article <CSH.92Jul24103502@beta.lanl.gov> csh@lanl.gov (Charles S. Henkel)
> writes:
>.
>... also ... SUN and AIX format is differnt
while that may be,

>... AIX doesnt support the -root
>option .. that burned us for awhile
how come. I am using the root option between IBM-Machines (RS/6000 and
RT) - against my will, but circumstances require me to do so - quite
successfully. And the machines obey: with -root=... everything is ok,
without I have no(bodys) access as root on another machine!

>- --
>Douglas L. Acker
> ...
Greetings,
 Ruediger Oberhage


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From: scotte@cdsac.uucp (L. Scott Emmons)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Equivalent of BSD Cbreak mode in POSIX line discipline?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:42:10 GMT
Organization: Cable Data (U.S. Computer Services), Sacramento, CA

In article <1992Jul30.140100.24441@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes:
>I'm not sure about the problem that's talked about in this post, but
>please be aware that we are considering dropping *all* other line
>disciplines, in favor of POSIX line discipline, in future releases.

While any new applications should code using the POSIX line
disciplines, it would be nice to keep the other disciplines for porting
reasons...

Is the multiple-flavor (BSD, SYSV, POSIX) support confusing customers?
Why would added functionality be dropped? One of the nice things about
AIX (and a good selling point) is that it is a very nice integration
of the major flavors of Unix, rather than just a mish-mash of parts of
each (like SVR4 is).

I've got an SVR4 machine at home, but I'd much rather port stuff to
AIX, as AIX really supports both BSD and SYSV, while SVR4 is neither
BSD nor SYSV(R3).
-- 
			   L. Scott Emmons
		     csusac.csus.edu!cdsac!scotte
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon)
Subject: Re: PCsim and MS Windows
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:25:40 GMT

In <1992Jul25.183546.92185@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.154350.26213@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, rudy@chukran.austin.ibm.com writes:
>>In article <Jul13.222505.56015@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, wsnell@ops.agsci.colostate.edu (Warren Snelling) writes:
>>
>I don't know about MS_Windows 3.1 either, but for a while I played with 
>MS-Windows under PCsim in AIX 3.1.  It was awful.  Very slow, and such an
>itty-bitty window.  I ran it off a Cdrive virtual hard disk file.  That
>grew uncontrollably as I fiddled, to a 40 meg file.  Not worth the space
ms windog also creates a swapfile (not sure of the mode you need to be in) if 
it crashes it does NOT do recovery, the file will remain. (this is the unix
killer??)  we are trying out desqview and then running ms win as an X
application, info to follow
>on my filesystem.

>>The AIX PC simulator simulates a 286 running in real mode.  The best
hmmmm i though that was standard mode???
>>you will be able to do is run Windows 3.0.  This is known to work, but
>>again, its only what I read in the papers.   And I always believe what
>>I read in the papers -- and USENET :-) 
>>
>>Also be aware that one cannot execute DOS programs (exe files) from DOS
>>drives simulated via AIX directories.  Programs must reside in a
>>DOS drive file image.  You can copy them there from dos or from AIX using
>>doswrite.

>I'm not sure what you mean.  PCSIM will let you create a file that can be 
>used as a C-drive for PCsim.  You can execute from there; but the file seems
>to become ever larger with use, keep it small enough by restricing the size
again i wonder if this is from swapfiles????
>of the Cdrive you create.  See the man pages for instructions.
bill pociengel
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From: billm@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill McLure)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Problem with mmapped file and raw device
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:55:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


  We've run into what looks like a bug with AIX 3.2.  A file is mmapped, then
the contents are written to another file.  If the other file is a simple file,
everything works just fine.  However, if the other file is a raw device (like
a tape drive, which is the real goal), the write fails, complaining about a
bad address.  Anyone have any suggestions before I call this one in to
Defect Support?  (And yes, the same program works fine on other systems that
support mmap).
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
From: gary@netcom.com (Gary Messenbrink)
Subject: Thanks for info on "mtools" for RS6000
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:46:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

Thanks for all the suggestions and information on getting
mtools working.  I haven't had the opportunity to try 
any of them yet.  Our machines are being loaded with
aix 3.2 and mine isn't expected to be up for at least
2 more days.

Again, thanks for the response.  It was overwhelming.
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From: shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Graphics adapters for 220 (was IBM s...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:57:17 GMT
Reply-To: rmshair@chgvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Champaign

First, I won't participate in this discussion without changing the name!

The graphics adapters which can go in the 220 are:
Power GT1 (2D, no slot, direct access to memory) Highly recommended for 2D
Power GT3 (2D, one slot)
Power GTO (High-performance, 3D, external graphics processor, the 
           GTO Accelerator Feature (interface board) takes one slot)

Those are all standard PS/2-sized cards (which we call "Type 3" internally,
perhaps to indicate that they're 3 inches high).

The remaining graphics adapters are all built of "Type 5" cards, and are too
tall to fit into the model 220.  They are, specifically,
Color Graphics Display Adapter ("Skyway", one slot)
High-Performance 3D Color Graphics Processor ("Sabine", 8 or 24-bit, two slots)
Power GT4 and GT4x (two slots (8-bit) or three slots (24-bit))

As correctly stated earlier in this thread, the only 3D graphics adapter
currently available for the 220 is the Power GTO, which in some configurations
can cost more than the computer.  This may not be a problem, to some customers
who are looking for a relatively inexpensive computer to drive their highly
interactive 3D applications.  It doesn't help, though, for the person looking
an inexpensive desktop workstation who has a light 3D requirement.





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