HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Passing etiquette
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:30:38 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <2a358b37@babyoil.ftp.com>, hobbit@babyoil.ftp.com (*Hobbit*) writes:
> S'poze I overtake someone else going the same way.  Is there any particular
> thing people do or say in this situation?  A number of things come to mind.
> 
> Follow him for a while, so he thinks he's doing better than he is.  Maybe
> strike up a conversation.  Not useful if I'm in a hurry to get there, and
> talking is difficult on a road with cage traffic.
> 
> Kiss the wheel and crank up a good head of steam from a ways back, and
> blow him off the road.  Potentially useful for the guys in the electric
> neon shorts puffing away down on their aero-bars, especially if I look
> like just some scruffy schmoe who couldn't possibly be going any farther
> than a couple of blocks.
> 
> Offer to lead for a while, do so, and slowly pull away.
> 
> What promotes the most feeling of goodwill with the least hindrance?
> 
> _H*

Well, since I ride horses, not bikes, and often meet bikes both on trails
and roads, it would be wonderful if the biker would at least say, "Hello!"
That way my horse would realize there is a human there and not a horse-eating
monster.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: piaw@pure.com (Na Choon Piaw)
Subject: Reviews of Books requested
Summary: Anyone got any?
Keywords: reviews, books
Organization: Pure Software
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:07:54 GMT

Does anyone have reviews of any of the books listed in the FAQ?  Or
would anyone care to do capsule reviews for me?

I have "Effective Cycling," and I found it to be really good,
especially the sections on coping with traffic (I'm a commuter), but I
have friends who aren't commuters or who are beginners and while
Forester's books is good, I think it's a bit too dry for them.
Richard Ballantine's "new bicycle book" looks like fun, but what do
net.people think?

Post or e-mail would be fine!

Thanks,
Piaw
From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Freewheel Cluster Spacing
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:08:44 GMT

In rec.bicycles.tech <1992Sep3.234815.7029@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>
   iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba) writes:

> Are ultra-6 cogs thinner, or do ultra-6 clusters use thinner spacers,
> or both?

some cogs (>13t) are interchangeable between standard-5 and ultra-6
ultra-6 spacers are thinner than standard-5
ultra-6 spacers are compatible with ultra-7 spacers

> Does each manufacturer have their own cluster body widths?

Regina ultra-6 is wider than Suntour ultra-6

Here is some information from the Cyclo-Pedia catalog:

   Maximum freewheel thickness
   (from front of front cog to rear of rear most cog)

   RE-CX5   (standard-5)      24.7mm
   RE-CX6   (standard-6)      30.5mm
   RE-CX6S  (ultra-6)         26.6mm
   RE-CX7   (ultra-7)         31.5mm

> Suppose I want to limit myself to ultra-6 clusters but am not sure
> of which make and model I want to use; is there a _maximum_ width
> body that I should plan around if I want to maintain flexibility?
>
> Bonus question (the real question): what is that maximum width if
> it exists and is relevant?

I have Suntour standard-5 and ultra-6 freewheels, but they're mounted
on wheels and I can't get a good measurement my calipers.  I have
noticed that when I exchange an ultra-5 with an ultra-6 on a
Campagnolo Record HF 120mm hub, I need to add spacers on the freewheel
side to prevent the chain from rubbing the inside of the dropout.
I don't have this problem with Phil Wood's hubs.

The spacing of the Regina freewheel places the front of the small
cog closer to the frame than the Suntour hub.  Because of the dropout
and chainstay design I have one frame that will work with Regina
or Suntour ultra-6, two frames that will only work with Suntour ultra-6,
and one frame that won't accept either (n.b. won't accept without
adding a spacer to the axle.)

Alex
internet: amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: HOLY SMOKE! The solution and conclusion...
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:25:45 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University


I'd like to thank the net for all the neat suggestions for fixing
the hole in my SMOKE 2.1 MTB tire.

The winning suggestion, however, came live from Glenn Swan of Swan Cycles here
in hilly Ithaca NY from whom I originally bought the bike.

His recommendation was to get a Federal Express envelope, cut out a relatively
large patch and place it inside of the tire to be held in position by
the tube. The envelope can hold in the tube because Fed Ex uses Tyvek or 
Tyvex(sp.) material, which is like a linen. It doesn't stretch, its
strong and its full of fibers - its the same stuff thattt some floppy
disk sleeves are made of(by appearance at least).

So I got an envelope, cut out a chunk 3 in x 2in, held it in place with
some stretchy electrical-like tape, put in the tube and pumped it up.
I had the outside already sealed from an attempt to use a chunk of rubber to
fix my hole.

So after a 4 hr off-road hell on tire ride on my patched tire without
incident(so far), I dare say it worked. No balance, wobbling lumps or
anything. So try it, or at least keep a chunk of Tyvek(or paper money) in a
toolkit on those long burley rides. I now do.

Todd S.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

sorry about junk below - no delete:
AY 

in f act, I forgot all about the little piece of linen/paper as I
went screaming down dirt roads, scrmand i eyand it looksses Tthank
From: bschwart@gath.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest Results
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:04:11 CDT

Daniel Connelly writes:
>
>Women's Team Time Trial
>
>1.  United States	1:03:30.7

Anybody got any names to associate with this time.

Just for comparision, the mens 25K split in the Olympic 100K was 32:06. I don't
have any other splits or the final time but 2:06:?? sounds familiar. Cycling
USA lists the bronze medal time as 2:05:25.

Way to go whoever you are!!!

Bob Schwartz
bschwart@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: info on accidents
Keywords: helmet use
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:38:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.203039.26422@geppetto.encore.com> jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney) writes:
>  <some stats about cycling accidents that lump the entire pop. together>

Thanks for the stats but they are mostly useless.  The type of accidents
that a competant commuter gets in are vastly different from the sort of
person who blasts down the sidewalk and then decides to go on the road.
Just like cars the amount and type of accidents are highly correlated
with the amount of time doing the activity.  As other stats have pointed
out; for a competant cyclist the major cause of accidents is cars cutting
the bike off with a left or right turn.
  As for accidents when I am MTB'ing.  I expect them.  I go fast and dangerous
pushing past the envelope of control.  This has nothing to do with commuting
and training/pleasure rides and I would be very hesitant to include any MTB'ing
accidents in overall stats.  Dito for crits and road racing.
  Perhaps LAW has some more usefull stats?
- Eric 
Organization: Junior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 22:04:09 -0400 
From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sidi Challenger Shoes: Sole and cleat problems.
	<18ip41INN1f8@overload.lbl.gov>
Distribution: rec

the shoes can be replaced by Shitmano for free (excluding postage I
thionk)  my experience with the m100 shoes was similar to the others
posted and they replaced the shoes for me, saves you 60-70 dollars eh?

--Chris
school: x4545
Home: 703-264-0058
cm43@andrew.cmu.edu
rocshox@cmu.edu
employed over the summer by Allegheny General Hospital! 
Chris is cutting up dead bodies!!
From: detlef@iw.uni-hannover.de (Detlef Adolph)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Need information and experiences about drum brakes
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:41:34 GMT
Reply-To: detlef@iw.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut fuer Werkstoffkunde, Uni Hannover

At the University of Hannover we want to construct a new hydraulik drum brake, eventually with "integral function" of front and back wheel.
Therefore we would like to get some answers to the following points: 

1) We need drawings and material information of good drum brakes
2) Who has experiences with the use of drum brakes
3) What do you think about hydraulic in connection with drum brakes?

Thank you bicycle fans, we will summarize.

Bye, Detlef!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:55:20 GMT

In <xtmnj+j.tomk@netcom.com>
  tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

> Shimano controls 80% of the componentd market according to
> the several magazine articles recently. That is proof positive that
> they are proving a significant product to their customers.

Exactly!  Shimano must be doing something that bicycle companies like.
Their customers are Bianchi, Bridgestone, Peugot, Schwinn, Trek, etc....
Now these customers are concerned with name recognition, price,
manufacturing capacity and availability, etc...  I'm sure that bike
companies sweat every one cent washer that goes on a bike, just like
General Motors uses the same five cent fasteners on their
Cavalier and the Corvette LT-1.

If Shimano depended on their livelihood by selling parts directly
to consumers, then they'd might be the same size as Phil Wood.

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: userMTAM@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Mohammad Tamim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WINTER IS COMING?!
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:48:14 GMT
Organization: MTS Univ of Alberta     

I RIDE MY BIKE ALL THROUGH THE YEAR. MY GREATEST PROBLEM DURING THE
WINTER IS FROZEN FINGER TIPS. I HAVE TRIED ALL KIND OF GLOVES AND 
COMBINATION OF THOSE. I SURVIVE -15 C (WIND CHILL) QUITE WELL BUT
ANYTHING AROUND -20 AND BELOW-- I CAN DO ONLY 15 MINTS. COMFOTABLY.
ONLY A FULL STOMACH HELPS TO STAY LONGER. BUT THEN YOU CAN'T ALWAYS
GO OUT STUFFED. ALTHOUGH I BOUGHT A COUPLE OF 'COLD BARS' LAST YEAR,
I HAVE NOT TRIED ANY.
I WILL APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTION AND TIP. MY TOES ARE ALSO PRETTY 
BAD IN THE COLD. THANKS IN ADVANCE.
MOHAMMAD
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: 700c knobbies
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:51:37 GMT

Regarding the earlier inquiry for good 700c knobbies...my Bianchi
Axis has IRC 700x35 knobbies with small, round knobs. They're
quiet and run fast on pavement with 80psi, and are nice and grippy
on dirt roads and other terrain.
           --mike
From: ervolina@pkmfgvm2.VNET.IBM.COM (Tom Ervolina)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:00:28 GMT
Organization: IBM Poughkeepsie, NY

In <BuIuG5.Fyz@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:

>I also assume the mountain bikes are better equipped for cold weather
>riding.

I find that winter riding is much more enjoyable if I stick to the shielded
(from wind), hilly, twisty backroads as opposed to the wide open ones.  The
climbing warms you up and gets you out of the saddle which gets more muscles
moving.  Also, the generally slower speeds and wind cover keeps the wind chill
factor from becoming too unbearable.  Even better, of course, is to ride in
the woods with the mountain bike.  The more technical the trail, the more
work you'll do without that pervasive wind chill.  When the snow gets deep
enough, leave the bike home and (cross country) ski the trails.  (Note:
Please don't bike in the xc-ski tracks.)


Tom Ervolina               IBM, Poughkeepsie, NY
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Sidi Challenger Shoes: Sole and cleat problems.
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:49:53 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov
Keywords: n

Morgan Kelly writes:
>The sole of one of my Sidi Challenger shoes has started to come apart with the	
>result that the cleat mounting plate spins around uselessly, making the use of 
>SPD pedals impossible. I have met one other person to whom this has happened.
>1. Is our experience unique?
>2. Are they covered by warranty.
>3. Does this problem afflict the Sidi Dominator? I have had excellent service
>from Sidi road shoes in the past and am reluctant to switch brands.

I've had a similar problem with my Shimano shoes.  This happens because the
the metal SPD cleat is clamping down on plastic, which ineveitably gets
torn up.  If you look at recent Shimano shoes you'll observe that the slots
have been reinforced with metal plates.

I don't know if there's anything available for the unfortunate owners of the
older style shoes.  I suppose you could kludge reinforcing plates yourself.

--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Hubs built for straight spokes
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 22:12:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep4.213320.11620@wmms.UUCP> david@wmms.UUCP (David R. Mayne) writes:
>
>I have had 4 broken spokes on my mountain bike over 5 years, though
>one was caused by a stick in the rear wheel. The others were on older
>and well used wheels, and the failures appeared to be fatigue related.

I have seen two basic kinds of failures in non-racing mountain bike
wheels: Either they have been built with brittle japanese spokes
or they have actually worn completely out. A very interesting
case of the last was the bike of a large strong rider (a triathlete)
who rode very much. He brought his wheels into a shop to have
them rebuilt. The mechanic started to take off the freewheel and
as he twisted the wheel backwards _all_ of the spokes on the
drive side broke at once! Looking at the spokes, each was worn
almost completely through where it transited the hub. They were
so thin at this point that it was pretty hard to see how this guy
could have been riding all that time. Just the week before he
and I had ridden the Grand Finale Century and it went over Corral
Hollow Rd, not a terrible climb, but the top part is steep enough
that one would have thought the wheel would have failed.

What I was talking about was the stress failures that commonly happen
to road wheels with too small a spoke in them for the weight rider.
And with all of the 'advice' these days about 32 (or even 28) 15 gauge
spokes in road wheels it's easy to fall for the propaganda.

After following Jobst's advice and using 36 spoke, 14-15-14 spokes
or aero 32 spoke/double butted, I have seldom had trouble.

You can build light wheels or you can build reliable wheels, but
it's pretty hard to build light reliable wheels. The best I've
done are Matrix aero rims, American Classic hubs and straight
15's with aluminum nipples and light tire/tube combos. The only
way I've been able to hurt these things is by wearing them out or
overtightening them until I get rim failure.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Subject: rans stratus recumben
Reply-To: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:25:37 EST

In article <1992Sep12.184359.978#lgc.com>
brady@lgc.com (W. Brady Reed) writes:

WB> I have found a slightly used Rans Stratus B recumbent bike.  It
WB>has high-end components and seems to be a good deal to me.  However, I
WB>have not heard anyone mention the bad or good characteristics of this
WB>bike.  Does anyone have any experience with this bike?

The latest Recumbent Cyclist (#12) has a road test of the Rans Stratus B
and the Rans Nimbus.  It gives them both high marks.

          gary.walsh@canrem.com  |  Written in East York, Ontario.
          GEnie:G.WALSH7         |  Posted on Canada Remote Systems BBS.

 * DeLuxe2/386 1.25 #5606 + Police tagline.  Do not cross
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Subject: recumbent bike info #2
Reply-To: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:55:47 EST


SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION
    

RECUMBENT CYCLIST MAGAZINE
17560-B6-140th Ave SE, Ste 341
Renton WA 98058

__$2 Info-Pak/recumbent manufacturer list
__$5 Current sample issue with info-pak/list
__$20 USA Bulk Mail Subscription
__$25 USA First Class Mail Subscription Rush Service
__$30 Canada Air Mail
__$35 Worldwide Air Mail (USA funds) (anywhere outside USA/CAN)
__$50 Junior Supporter (includes 3 copies of each issue, mailed first
    class
__$100 RBCA Supporter (includes 10 copies of each issue mailed Priority)


BACK ISSUE ORDERING INFO

-Back issues are mailed 3rd class postage. (allow 4 weeks for delivery.)
-First Class Mail/Rush Service - add $.50 per issue.
-Canadian Air Mail/Rush Service - add $1.00 per issue.
-Worldwide Air Mail - add $2.00 per issue.
-Super-Rush Service?  We can do FEDEX overnight C.O.D.

$4.00  __RC#2  Flevo & CSPC "Poor Man's Composite"
$4.00  __RC#3  DH5000 LWB Road Test
$4.00  __RC#4  Ryan Vanguard Road Test/F-40/Flevo
$4.00  __RC#5  Linear LWB Road Test/Omega HPV/HPV Design Info
$4.50  __RC#6  Easy Racer Road Test
$4.50  __RC#7  Lightning P-38 Road Test
$4.50  __RC#8  1992 Recumbent Buyers Guide
$4.50  __RC#9  A.T.P. R-20 SWB Road Test
$4.50  __RC#10 Thebis Trike Road Test
$4.50  __RC#11 Counterpoint Presto Road Test
$4.50  __RC#12 Rans Road Test (available 9/92)
$4.50  __RC#13 Trice Road Test (Available 11/92)
$4.50  __RC#14 (Available 1/93)
$4.50  __RC#14 (Available 3/93)
$4.50  __RC#15 (Available 5/93)

Payment in U.S. funds only.


This information was copied from a flyer authored by Robert Bryant
editor of RCM and distributed with his permission.  My only association
with this publication is as a subscriber and recumbent enthusiast.

          gary.walsh@canrem.com  |  Written in East York, Ontario.
          GEnie:G.WALSH7         |  Posted on Canada Remote Systems BBS.

 * DeLuxe2/386 1.25 #5606 + My bike's not broken.  Its just a little 'bent.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: mind games
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:24:10 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <lashetINNitb@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> scheng@cs.utexas.edu (Sheila Cheng) writes:
>I have noticed this trend in my training.  There are lots of
>hills around here and some of them are rather steep.  Whenever,
>I am riding up what I consider a steep hill, I say to myself,
>"this is crazy. you don't want to do this again. remember how
>bad it feels!!"   However, after the ride, I almost immediately
>forget "how bad it felt".  I remember telling myself to remember
>how bad it felt but I cannot recreate in my mind how bad it felt
>UNTIL I go out and ride next time.  
>
>Maybe I am not making any sense.  Does anyone know what I am
>talking about ??
>
>--sheila

 Twice I day I know what you're talking about. On the way to campus
and on the way home(hill at the end of the both. Means I start out
easy and finish hard). I also keep telling myself, "It'll get it
easier it _has_ to get easier"
From: melvin@math.psu.edu (Richard Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: riding against traffic; bikepaths
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:19:49 GMT
Reply-To: melvin@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University


Riding a bike in traffic requires roughly the same skills as driving a car in traffic.
Can we conclude that only the "elite few" have the necessary skills to drive a car.
Maybe by only giving licences to the qualified, we could eliminate the need for bike paths.
Wait a minute, those millions of unqualified riders would still be a menace, we would still
need bike paths to get away from them.
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Recumbant bikes
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:28:42 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.soc, briscoe@cco.caltech.edu (Duke P. Briscoe) writes:

>   ....but it would be nice to be able to make a U-turn in less than a
>10 or 15 foot radius.  Unfortunately, the new SWBs that I am
>interested in cost about $1500.  Maybe some day.

There is a guy in this area that has built a couple of SWB 'bents out
of BMX frames.  One had the frame inverted (BB up), the other was
upright.  He had welded a tube to the head tube which extended forward
and held the new BB.  The steering was direct with long handlebars
starting under his legs and extending out and then up and back.

The bikes were not really sophisticated enough for long distance riding,
but he said they were great for kicking around parking lots, etc.

David Mackintosh
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Women and Bicycles
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 10SEP199216475044@muvaxa.rferl.org, brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride) writes:
>  Subject:  Women and Bicycling
>
>subject was a bit uncalled for and extremely tacky.  Might we not drop this
>subject altogether before someone gets highly offended???
>

I totally agree. This stuff doesn't belong in this newsgroup. Let's drop it.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: riding against traffic; bikepaths
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:58:47 GMT

 > In article <+6qnb=#.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
 > > Well, it's a matter of bike paths crossing seldom used roads.
 > > The bicyclist gets into the habit of not seeing cars on these
 > > roads and then gets into the habit of not expecting cars.

In article <3!rnmlr.akkana@netcom.com> akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck) writes:
 >
 > That's the problem I have with the "bike paths are dangerous"
 > argument.  If the accident occurred because the bicyclist
 > "got into the habit of not expecting cars" and shot out across the
 > road in front of a car, I just don't see the logic in blaming it
 > on the bike path and proclaiming that all bike paths are dangerous.

At many of these crossings the bike path has more traffic than the
crossing street -- yet the street has the right-of-way.  I think
this shows bad design (or descrimination against cyclists.  For
cars meeting cars, the busier street usually has the right-of-way).
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Nomenclature: "Bike Lanes" and "Bike Paths"
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:41:23
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

=o= I'm finding the nomenclature here a bit confusing.  In my
mind there's a difference between "bike lanes" and "bike paths:"

    Bike Lane:  A part of the road marked as separate from the
                rest of the road with a painted line.

    Bike Path:  A bicycles-only road upon which no motorized
                vehicles are permitted.

=o= I think lots of folks are using "bike path" to mean what I
think of as a "bike lane."  Correct me if I'm wrong.
    <_Jym_>
--
Using this fantastically, diabolically anti-me language... let them
 just stay tuned in.
                -- President George Bush, on his China-policy critics.