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Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 14:52:33 EDT
From: JUDITH R. BELSON <JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Pertwee, etc.

If you feel that the "upbeat and exciting" shows of recent seasons are
better than the darker Tom Baker stories, then I feel that I can't even
begin to argue with you; we are of two totally opposite opinions.  But I'll
try arguing nonetheless.  You cite Horror of Fang Rock, Ark in Space, and
State of Decay (the vampire one) as being not as good as Remembrance of the
Daleks.  Even if I gave you all that (and I don't agree even a little bit),
I think Horror of Fang Rock was much better than Ghostlight (In terms of a
Gothic Horror Story), and Genesis of the Daleks makes Remembrance look like
a Dalek rehash.  The only thing even remotely frightening about Remembrance
was the scene with the Dalek attacking the Doctor on the staircase, while
the WHOLE story of Genesis was intense and frightening.
     While we're on the subject; Talons of Weing Chiang, Pyramids of Mars,
Deadly Assassin, Earthshock, Invisible Enemy, Resurrection of the Daleks,
and Caves of Androzani (all dark stories, and just to name a few) all put
todays storylines to shame. I'm not saying that lighthearted stories should
be thrown out, because too much of one or the other makes for bland TV as
is being currently shown with almost nothing but upbeat stories today. All
I want is a story to keep me on the edge of my seat, with thrills and chills,
and a story to sink my teeth into. Something, I think, that is severely
lacking in todays show. Special effects are nice, but sans interesting
storylines, they mean nothing - as is shown by Star Trek: TNG.

                               I now return you to your televison set,

                                                  The Jimothy

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From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Subject: Who to play WHO
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:13:12 GMT


I believe that Sylvestor McCoy deserves more time as the Doctor.  I love 
the way he rolls his "r's".  If not how about Patrick McNee?  If not the Dr.,
how about making him a recurring vilian?  

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From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:17:08 GMT


However, remember that the Time Lord Drax called the Doctor by 
(at least what he thought to be) his true name, which I believe
was Feiat. I'm not sure, but it happened right after they 
encountered one another.  If I were at home instead of at college
I could look it up, but I left my entire Dr. Who collection at
home (all episodes from _Robot_, Tom Baker's first, to _Survival_
the last episode produced, excepting NIGHTMARE OF EDEN and
THE FIVE DOCTORS).  Could someone please confirm this.

Thanks Ahead
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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Favorite Episode?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:44:32 GMT

In article <92106.155443JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu> you write:
>
>     When you say "favorite episode" I assume you mean 'favorite story'.
> If this is the case then my favorite all time story issssssss......
>
>           The Seeds of Doom!  THis fine Tom Baker story had it all: a very
>   good plot, lots of action and adventure, horror (which I always love), good
>   special effects, and Tom Baker as The Doctor.

Agreed.  "The Seeds of Doom," "Horror of Fang Rock," and "Talons
of Wiang-Chiang" are among my favorites.  BTW, notice any       
similarities?


--The Rook
  <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

 " 'Fortunately, time is on _our_ side.' "
       --The Doctor, _Planet of Evil_  

 " 'Usually I only entertain friends in the TARDIS.' "
       --The Doctor, _Planet of Evil_
From: Nathan.Elke@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Nathan Elke)
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Subject: The Master's Past
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:15:58 GMT
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There are only a very FEW FACTS about the Master's life before the second Pertwee season. He went to school with the Doctor, beat him in at least one class (some mathematic/science class, I believe)

   The idea of the Master being the Monk is only a 'what if...' idea by people who like to have all Gallifreyans encountered by the Doctor explained away, in the same manner as "why couldn't Romana be Susan in a later regeneration?"No basis for this in the show, though nothing EXPRESSLY said to contradict it.

   Probably would make a good basis for a fan-fiction story, much like the one I'm working on, where the Doctor, Master, Rani, Monk, and War Chief are all children taught by the hermit (Po-Che? or something, I can't recall right now) that Pertwee's Doctor mentions a few times, and helps him in "The Planet of the Spiders". 

   I guess this makes me on of those people who 'like to have all Gallifreyans encountered by the Doctor explained away'??

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From: B_LUND1@unhh.unh.edu (Marcus Windwalker)
Subject: Re: Quote from Shada?
Organization: Wallston 'Friends'
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:56:11 GMT
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In <1992Apr8.001353.9735@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bi341@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:

| Regarding Jeffrey Smith's signiature:
| 
| Romana: "I thought you said we were coming here for May week?"
| Doctor: "I did, May week's in June."
|                                     **The Five Doctors**
|         Jeffrey Smith   --KD4AYH--  doc@catt.ncsu.edu
| 
| I believe that quote is actually from Shada.  I think that Tom Baker
| wasn't available for the filming of the Five Doctors, so they used
| never-before-aired archive footage of him and Lalla Ward from Shada,
| and then kept his character conveniently hidden through the rest of
| the show.
| 
| Can anyone corroborate me on this one?  I'm just curious.

	The quote was written/filmed for Shada, but was only aired as
part of The 5 Doctors.  They wanted T Baker to do more, but either he
had another project going on or they couldn't agree on a contract (I
can't remember).  A real shame, too.  He was the Doctor I grew up with
and, IMO, the best.  Could have made a real good show the best ever...
*sigh*  If the parts aired in 5 Doctors are put in Shada film release
(if that ever comes out), it would be nice if they keep consistent with
what happened to T Baker and Romana in 5 Doctors (ie - at this certain
point, they are scooped up and at this point they are back).
From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:31:57 GMT

In <domalley.702575873@unix1.tcd.ie> domalley@unix1.tcd.ie
(Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:

>A quick question to keep everybody's brain ticking over:

>How many times in the 26 years of the program has the Doctor been
>specifically referred to as "Doctor Who"?

Couldn't tell you, but I don't think it's happened since the second
Doctor, unless you count the occasion when a story was titled 9on
screen) "Doctor Who and the Silurians" rather than just "The Silurians".

>I also seem to remember Morgaine asking at the end of Battlefield:
>"Who are you, Doctor Who?" (although I could have been mistaken).

That was Lady Peinforte, at the end of "Silver Nemesis", the series
before, saying,  "Doctor who?  Have you never wondered who he is?"
or words to that effect.  I don't think she was naming him "Doctor
Who"; she was merely posing a rhetorical question.

Lawrence.
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:13:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr16.011343.25553
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <2253@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>
>p.s. I hardly think Larry Niven is qualified to either prove or rebut any
>theories based on QM.

Why?  Do you think you're more qualified?  Niven does have a degree in 
mathematics...

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From: beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi channel
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:50:48 GMT
Organization: Beyonet Network

langbein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (The Fugitive) writes:
[...]
>New Jersey Network showed Unearthly Child and The War Games in the
>past month. Then they showed Spearhead from Space and Planet of
>Spiders. They seem to be skipping around quite a bit, which has me
>worried. My one beef is that they added the 'njn' logo ala VH-1 style,
>only a lot more noticeable. This really stinks. WLIW stopped showing
>them. 

	I noticed this also with the jumping around and the logo in
	the lower righthand corner. It seems to me that europeans
	TV does this alot especially in Germany. I've seen some 
	german videos and they have the station logo in the upper
	lefthand corner at all times when there is a feature broadcast.
	I think this might have something to do with the (C) etc etc.



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From: hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu (HAMON SHARON ANN)
Subject: Re: Favorite Episode?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:41:32 GMT

>What is your favorite episode? 

I'd have to say The Hand of Fear, with Sarah Jane's touching departure (sniff)

>I am from Oklahoma, where Dr. Who was canceled (Anyone want to set up a pie 
>in the face hit on the head of OETA?) 

Do I ever!

Sharon Ann Hamon
hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu
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From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: >>favorite doctor
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:48:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr10.175001.27993@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mongoose@gawain.cif.rochester.edu (riki tiki tavi) writes:
>Huh?  I just saw somone say that Troughton developed the jelly baby
>fetish... i thought that was Baker.... BTW, Peter Davidson was on in the BBC
>for an equal amount of time (7 years) as Baker, but somehow it does not seem
>the same...  Perhaps this is beacause of a switch in the length and number
>of showings per week?


BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!


Peter *Davison* played the Doctor for three--count 'em three--seasons.
That would, I believe, be seasons 19, 20, and 21.  T Baker 12-18.  Pertwee
7-11.  Troughton 4-6 (didn't he actually take over part way through a 
Hartnell season?) Hartnell 1-3.  C Baker 22 and 23, McCoy (sigh) 24-26.





		Jon Rhein
		hon@postgres.berkeley.edu
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From: kenj@kambo.corp.sgi.com (Ken Jones)
Subject: Re: Pertwee, etc.
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:11:31 GMT

pjam@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>In article <retief.702882071@mchem3.al.iastate.edu>, retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) writes:
>> 
>> Um, I don't place the name Brian Blessed with someone right now, can
>> someone give me a couple of examples of his work?

>One example is in the Colin Baker -Trial of a Timelord season (second story,  
>whatever it's title was...). Blessed played the exuberently loud King 
>Ycarnos...

>I don't know his other works, but you can check out his perhaps silly 
>but very entertaining performance in the second story of Trial of a 
>Timelord. The silliness may be in the character more than the actor; 
>I'd like to see more of him. Other Brian Blessed works, anyone?

He also played the exuberantly loud king in the first Blackadder
series.  I've also seen him play another exuberantly loud character in
some other show... can't remember what.

Sorry, but for some reason I can't picture him playing anything
_other_ than an exuberantly loud character.  :-)  Not quite what I'm
looking for from the Doctor.

- Ken
From: Allan.Finkas@f1701.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Allan Finkas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New Doctor
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:31:00 cst
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/1701 - USS Galifrey, Regina Sask


In a msg of <11 Apr 92>, John Smith writes to All:

 JS> It's almost certainly Brian Blessed. Take a look at your copy of DWM's
 JS> UNIT Special (if you were unfortunate enough to buy it, that is). On
 JS> one of the pages, there are photos of the seven Doctors to date, along
 JS> with a picture of Brian Blessed. No reason is given as to why he is
 JS> pictured along with the Doctors. The only reason I can think of is
 JS> that DWM want to drop a sly hint about the actor they refer to in the
 JS> later article.

Brian appears to have been the source of a rumour that escalated to the point
that newspapers were reporting he would be replacing Peter Davison as the
Doctor (which we know eventually went to Colin Baker).

Here's the story as it was related in the book "Doctor Who: 25 Glorious
Years" by Peter Haining:

        "The second story, 'Mindwarp' by Philip Martin, introduced another
larger-than-life monarch, King Yrcanos of the planet Thordon, played by
the former 'Z-Cars' star Brian Blessed, whose name had once been linked
with the programme as a possible Doctor himself!  In August, 1983,
newspaper stories around the world had announced that Brian was to be the
new Doctor to follow Peter Davison.  In the forefront of these were the
'Daily Express' in England, and the 'Sydney Morning Herald' in Australia.
Not only did the Sydney newspaper confirm that Brian had got the part, but
also how he would play it: 'noisier and more irascible than recent
inhabitants of the role, but with a flashing, warming smile which will
surely charm even Daleks away from extermination!'

        "Brian admitted during the filming of 'Mindwarp' how much he had
mischieviously enjoyed all these headlines - inaccurate though they were.
In fact, he had made a joke about playing the Time Lord while visiting the
Doctor Who Exhibition in Blackpool in the summer of 1983, and this had
become the core of a rumour which had promptly flown around the world in
newsprint.

        "``Yes, I've been an admirer of 'Doctor Who' for years,'' admitted
Brian, ''but after getting in a rut with Fancy Smith in 'Z-Cars' I'm not
keen to commit myself to another long-running series.  The one-off
appearance in 'Mindwarp' did fulfil an ambition, though.'"


Based on the above, I'd say BBC had not considered Blessed for the role,
or if it had, Blessed wasn't interested because of his most recent foray
into network television (UK-style).  So while he may never have been
actually up for the role, there had been rumors that he was, although
how those rumors came about puts the whole thing in question and it looks
like had they been true, Blessed would probably have been favored by
fans around the world when you see things like his picture mentioned in
the quote above.


-Al

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From: malinon@iastate.edu (Ramon C Redondo)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:33:03 GMT

In <bperles.703108135@vincent1.iastate.edu> bperles@iastate.edu (Brian P Perles) writes:

>In <11341@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:

>>>How many times in the 26 years of the program has the Doctor been
>>>specifically referred to as "Doctor Who"?
><del>
>>That was Lady Peinforte, at the end of "Silver Nemesis", the series
>>before, saying,  "Doctor who?  Have you never wondered who he is?"
>>or words to that effect.  I don't think she was naming him "Doctor
>>Who"; she was merely posing a rhetorical question.

>	I just saw it, and she said, "I know your secret, Dr Who"
>She said Dr. Who as a proper name.  I heard latter that that(?) show
>was writen to play on the mystery of Dr. Who's history.  

>	Now I have a question, what is his "secret" that she talked about?
>(The one the Nemesis told her) A friend of mine(Hi Ramon) once said he
>thought that the Doc. was Rasalon, hmmmm.....

>			brian (thats all)


Brian, no offense meant to you, but I REALLY wish that you didn't credit me
with that thought.... I got MAJORLY flamed on Compu$erve for that idea...
and I REALLY don't feel the need to don my asbestous.... *sigh*....
(You are making you DM angry.....)...

Since you mentioned it, I will say that I have seen all of the epsiodes
that our local PBS station in Chicago ever showed (which includes all but
the very last season....)  I now intend to try harder to find the novelisations
of episodes I never saw (including the NEW ADVENTURES) like Curse of Fenric....
I'm glad that they finally explained some of it.... I had some good back-up
info to my theory, BTW, but it has all been shot down, and I feel no need for
a rehash HERE.....

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From: jdeitch@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Tomb of the Cybermen
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:47:49 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:

> According to DWM 185, the BBC has said that if the Tomb of
> the Cybermen video sells at least 30,00 copies, they will make
> a complete effort to contact all stations which have shown 
> Doctor Who in order to try to find more lost episodes.  I'm
> rather annoyed by this.  Basically the BBC is trying to 
> extort Doctor Who fans into buying the video.
> 
> My question is: How much does an average Doctor Who video sell?
> Presumably, Tomb of the Cybermen would sell more, since it is 
> a lost story, etc., but this would give some idea whether the 
> 30,000 figure set by the BBC is "reasonable".

If they were to offer it in NTSC, I bet it'd easily sell 30k copies in the US !

30,000 copies does not sound like a lot for me, but I'm really not sure about
the British market.  Here in the US, the videotape companies tend to think at
least in the millions.  "Fantasia", for instance, is expected to peak at about
20 million copies.

- Jonathan
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From: ose@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (David T. Ose)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:04:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.222346.1937@edsi.plexus.COM> dgh@edsi.plexus.COM (David Hall) writes:

>
Referring to the discussion of Schroedinger's cat and the many-worlds 
interpretation of quantum mechanics:  

>Some people think that if you have two possible results (one live, one
>dead), then the universe splits into two separate universes, one with
>the first choice (live cat), one with the second (dead cat).  With the
>lottery ticket, maybe the universe splits into a million universes, one
>with a winning ticket, and 999,999 with losing tickets (and 999,999
>separate, different winning tickets, one for each possibility).
>
>Is this a 'valid' interpretation of the math?  You tell me.  A
>Mathematician friend of mine tells me 'the math doesn't mean anything',
>but I find it hard to believe that Reality doesn't mean anything, since
>that IS what the math is talking about (in this case).  
>
>I could go on, but since I already teach a 12-hour course on QM, I'd
>probably never finish.  Feel free to email me (any of you) if you'd like
>some further explanation or some good (non-technical) references...
>
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The "trouble" with this discussion and many other misconceptions of 
science is giving the mathematical model that is being used to describe 
"reality" an existence and meaning of its own.  Mathematics is used
in most disciplines, and especially in physics, as a model that describes
certain aspects of observed phenomena.  The problem enters when we say 
"THIS MODEL IS REALITY."  It is not reality.   In particular, QM is not 
reality; it is a theory that describes parts of what we experience 
(or at least of what modern physicists experience).  

---David Ose                  Mathematics Dept.,  U of Illinois
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From: retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller)
Subject: TBaker's Ego (was Re: Quote from Shada?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:14:47 GMT

)I seem to recall that TB agreed to do the 5 Doctors, but then changed
)his mind because he didn't want to be just "one of the five."
)Pissed me off.  Jeez what an ego.  So he let them use the two clips from
)Shada instead.
)--led hanklin

yeah, he wouldn't even show up for some publicity photos so they used
a wax dummy of him from a museum with the other actors.

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From: norbeck@mira.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93)
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Subject: Re: Brain Blessed (was Re: Pertwee, etc.)
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:33:58 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.


Brian Blessed was also Long John Silver in Disney's _Return To
Treasure Island_ several years ago.  It was the first time I'd heard
of him...quite a good pirate, and quite a versatile actor.

Nancy
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