From: skrone@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (stuart.krone)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: FW: news release: abolish IRS
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:06:48 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr6.223315.22612@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> ajl9@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron J Lebovitz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.204612.1031@cbfsb.cb.att.com> skrone@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (stuart.krone) writes:
>>In article <visser.702539448@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>>>In <1992Apr4.085611.8063@eskimo.celestial.com> Corner.Core.Cafe writes:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>The government does not exist to force your set of moral values
>>on other people. If I own a house it should be my decision as to who I
>>will or will not sell my house to.
>>
>
>For a political candidate, you sure have a poor understanding of history.
>The only justification for private discrimination in employment, housing
>and service comes from men like David Duke, et. al., who want to keep the
>"bad elements" (i.e. Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc.) out of mainstream society.
>Remember all white lunch counters, drinking fountains, bathrooms?  Do you
>want those back?  Are you prepared to answer this question?
>

Yes I am prepared to answer this question. You forget (or merely neglect
to mention) that the Libertarian party supports open borders with no
immigration requirements. This would create a Heterogeneous nation where
discrimination would be a foolish business practice. The all white lunch counters
would not be able to survive in this environment. There are social and
financial ways for the people to regulate behavior without force of government.
Once you allow a government to enforce "morals" no one is safe from
the morality police.


>>>	They believe that it is wrong to
>>>have laws that require doctors to help at the scene of an accident or
>>>an emergency.
>>
>>What right do you have to compell someone to act just because of their
>>chosen profession? Who are you to tell them what risks they should 
>>take.
>
>There is this little thing called the Hippocratic oath.  Ever heard of it?
>Any doctor who wouldn't jump in to help shouldn't be a doctor in the first
>place, and the AMA, all of whose members are doctors, establish the oath.
>

This is absolutely correct. I agree 100%. The AMA should police
and regulate their members. Any doctor who wouldn't help someone probably
shouldn't be a doctor. I do not support the position that the government
can legislate morality, nor compel people to help others by threat of 
force.


>>>	They believe in repealing the various neutrality acts that prevent
>>>corporations from forming and supporting armies aboard and overthrowing
>>>governments abroad.
>>
>>Are you implying that this doesn't happen today ??
>
>Not as much as it would if you made it easy to do...
>Murder is illegal, but you wouldn't say it doesn't happen today.
>

These same corporations would then have to come home to sell their products
to the American people. I suspect this would be rather difficult, thereby making 
overseas excursions a poor idea.

>>>	They believe in repeal of the child labor laws and the minimum wage.
>>>They believe in repeal of compulsory vaccination laws and in the establishment
>>>of a free market for human body parts.
>>
>>What gives you the right to dictate "morality" to anyone else ??
>>If I wish to sell my kidney or work for $1.00/hr. who are you to 
>>tell me that I can't ?? It's my life thank you, I'll live it as I see fit.
>
>Allowing employers to pay $1.00/hr doesn't make it the worker's choice;
>it makes it the employers choice, and how are you going to deal with all of 
>the people who get screwed over by stingy employers?  Bagging the min wage
>will only lead to exploitation, and greater need for gov't intervention.
>
Really? Then why aren't all of the workers in this country paid minimum wage??
Even McDonalds is forced to pay above minimum just to get people
to fry burgers. If you want to earn more get some skills!
The minimum wage just creates unemployment. If I think your worth $1.00/hr
then that's what I'll pay you. If the gov't tells me I have to pay you more
I wouldn't hire you.
In addition to creating unemployment, you have no moral right to tell me 
what I will or won't pay my employees or what I will or won't work for.

>>
>>The child labor laws would be highly debatable by the way.
>>Most Libertarians would NOT support that.
>>
>
>The fact that it is debatable is scary to me.
>
Amongst people who think for themselves virtually ANYTHING is
worthy of at least minimal debate.

>>Some of what you said is correct, but to imply that Libertarians are
>>joined at the brain stem and think alike is incorrect.
>>There is considerable debate over these and other issues within the party.
>>I joined the Libertarian party because almost all of their policies made
>>sence. These policies are a hell of a lot better than what the Republicrats
>>have done to our country.  
>
>The "Republicrats" spent many years solving the problems that your 
>"sensible" policies would re-create.
>

The Republicrats spent many years covering up the exploitation that
theirpolicies have created. Minimum wage laws don't apply to certain industries,
Child labor laws go unenforced etc ...
Don't confuse polished exploitation with giving a damn.

>>Stuart Krone
>>Libertarian party candidate for Congress
>>3 rd District Pennsylvania
>>(N.E. Philadelphia)
>>
>Don't vote for this guy.
>
>Aaron Lebovitz

No vote for the status quo instead. Spend 50% of your income in taxes,
pretend that Big Brother is really taking care of truth and justice.
Ignore the latest scandel, Theft is honesty after all.
Just be an unthinking sheep. Just like they want you to be.
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