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From: gsmith@CONCOUR.CS.CONCORDIA.CA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: DJK shrieks "fuck me!"
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:59:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: concour.9204161859.aa19048
Followup-To: alt.sex.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <moa9iB8w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>This is my ass:


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Now we know. Karnes is not a straight boy at all! With him bent over
like that, can you resist sliding your dick up that tight, velvety
asshole? And his cock is hard--he's obviously good and ready. The only
thing missing is the little balloon coming out with some appropriate
slogan, like "Fuck me! Please fuck me!".

God, I'm getting horny.


--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Shearing a kid
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:51:55 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr9.232836.9017@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto
Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>What does is mean to be a "Wonderfl parent"?

Who can say?
 
>If I understood OK, AAP just said that there is a double standard in this
>net. What is said by GLB is assumed to be true. Otherwise, it is assumed 
>to be wrong or possibly wrong.

You don't understand OK. In fact, you don't understand at all.

>AAP did not say that you should not be allowed. He said that shearing kids
>was not a good idea...

Wait until they grow up to be sheep, and then shear them?

Sorry, I couldn't resist...



--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 13 Apr 1992 14:19:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.203731.13633@wam.umd.edu> 
aap@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
| In article <kujp15INN55n@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)  
| writes:
| > In article <1992Apr13.161018.7225@wam.umd.edu> 
| > aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
| > ....
| > > Stop it, or maybe next time you will try to say that homosexuality  
| > > might come from a psychological disorder!!!
| > 
...
| > That someone was born and grew to manhood in the land
| > of Peron need not necessarily be held against him.  
|
| I do not understand what do you mean by this.
| Do you have any problem with the land of Peron?
| Do you have any problem with Peron?

I see you're still in a state of denial.  Alberto, you'll never
get better until you accept that you do have a problem.

| > But that someone
| > with a congenital affliction such as Argentinianism 
|
| Now you are really wrong.
| I cannot have a congenital affliction such as Argentinianism.

Oh, but you're wrong, Alberto.  Argentinianism is amenable to therapy,
but first you'll have to admit your congenital affliction.  Then, and
only if you *really* want it and work *very* hard, can you attain to 
a state of mental health.

| > should later 
| > worship at the shrine of Freud, and not even Freud, really, but *French*
| > Freud is too much.  Alberto -- please shut up.  Don't you realize that
| > Freud and Lacan are taken seriously these days, when they're taken
| > seriously, only by thrill-seeking literary theorists? 
|
| At the light of the first part of your post, this is not more than logic:
| Cannot be taken seriously.

What part of that can't be taken seriously?  Freud and Lacan are taken
seriously by some literary theorists.  I accord them about as much
reverence as I do Zeus and Odin.

Arne
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: mitchm@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mitchell Maltenfort)
Subject: Proprieties for a "coming-out" party.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 15:03:58 GMT

	I am a straight (if somewhat bent) male who has a friend who has just
decided to come out of the closet as a lesbian.  She has literally plunged
into this, as she brings it up in an essay in the campus alternative
newspaper.  Neither I nor our mutual friends have any trouble with her
orientation (although she's a bit ambivalent, having been raised a Baptist) so
we were planning on throwing her a "coming-out" party.

	As the name implies, we're thinking of doing a take-off on the
debutante "coming-out" parties.  However, we're also known for overindulging
on whimsy.  For example, since the group consists of mostly straight males
plus our newly-open lesbian, I suggested having a female stripper.  

	Since we're probably not the first to consider a "coming-out" party,
can anyone out there who has either thrown such a party or had one thrown for
(at?) them please email me with ideas, suggestions or cautions.  (Please
email: I don't subscribe here regularly).  

	Thanks very much.  


Mitchell Maltenfort	Northwestern Unversity	Chicago, Illinois

"Mean, cruel, nasty, paranoid, antisocial... but basically happy."

Internet: mgm@nwu.edu		Bitnet:mitchm@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: She was a he
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:43:29 GMT

Well, I got confussed and thought that Elf was a female homosexual.
It seems that Elf is an heterosexual male, so to speak.
Anyway, I did not know that all of this was a winning/loosing  
confrontation. 
I thought that we were just exchanging ideas about different topics.
But, you already know, because Mr. Dyer and Mr. Adolphson have already  
shown it: I am from Peron's land, and we are in the backwater and  
underdeveloped and retarded.
So, do not expect from me to understand all the bright ideas presented  
here by all tou, Great People of the advanced world.

Besides, now that Elf asked in his psychology department about the Oedipus  
Complex, I am going to kill myself in a few minutes. I do not deserve to  
live!!!


AAP
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: DJK
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.040020.5956
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Mr Karnes, please explain why so are so interested in spending such
a large amount of time on this newsgroup. I have to spend an hour or
so five days a week absorbing IV antibiotics, and this kind of thing
kills that already dead time. Besides, being a politically active
bisexual person, I have a good reason to be interested in the politics
of homosexuality, the ostensible point of this BBS.


It seems to be that most of the content of your postings reflect
you obsession with the mechanics of gay sexual practice, mixed with
the idea that you have somewhere gotten that gay people are inferior
to other people. 

All of us have heard lots of bigoted antigay statements. You are just
an amateur in that respect. Your small addition to the prevailing current
of antigay (see, I don't need to use "homophobic") are like one more
person urinating into a sewer. We have heard this all before, and are
unlikely to change what we do in response to anything that you've tried
to post so far.

I must conclude that you post here becase you are sexually aroused by
the contemplation of gay male sexual activity. You seem quite obsessed
with the mechanical details, while remaining oblivious to the emotional
impact of what is going on. I might suggest therefore that you go to a 
pornography shop, buy some of whatever porn really interests you, and 
have a good time. This is what most people who are bisexual but have
basically heterosexual orientation do. 

As a bisexual person myself, I can see how it might make you feel
better to sublimate your desire for same gender sex by an obsessive
need to deny it, and make those of us who engage in it seem inferior in
your eyes. Believe me, it will not work. If you are obsessed with sexual
activity with people of the same gender, if it comes out as homosexuality
or as irrational hatred of homosexuals these each represent very similar
behaviors. It would make life simpler for both yourself and everyone 
else to acknowledge this obseesion for what it is, even if you may choose
not to engage in any overt same gender sexual activity.


be well
josh
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.123244.11883@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.140230.7483@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>
>>Again and again. I did not said that Freud knew all about Gays. I only talked
>>about the Oedipus Complex. Then, some people started to do generalizations and
>>they put words in my mouth. 
>>I DID NEVER SAY THAT FREUD'S VIEWS ON HOMOSEXUALITY WERE RIGHT.
>>I JUST TALKED ABOUT THE OEDIPUS COMPLEX.
>
>"She never said that water was wet.  She merely happened to use it as
>an example of a liquid."
>     -- Clay Bond
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, there's homosexuality in all animals
>\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      / but one, and that's the pig.  If it weren't
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / for homosexuals we'd all have to live like
>                                 pigs." -- overheard at Sydney Mardi Gras


I don't think AAP understands why there is such opposition from us about
the Oedipus Complex.  Does he understand that it is used against homosexuals.

My mother was domineering and my father was weak or not there so I fell
in love with my mother and the guilt was so great that I became gay
because I equate women with my mother and to have sex with my mother
is wrong and horrible.......

If that is all true then let's follow the same logic on a slightly
 different path.

Okay straight boys have a strong mother figure (ask a girlfriend or
a wife about that special bond between the mother and the mama's boy!)
and a weak father figure. They fall in love with their mothers.  But rather 
than understand that it is wrong to love your mother in that way,  they
proceed to live out their special love of their mother through their 
girlfriends and eventually their wives.  When they are making love to their 
female companion they are acutually making love to their mothers.  A little
incest here.  Then the man figures out that his wife cannot be his mother
so he either beats her up, because he feels cheated or cheats on her
so he can find his mother lieing somewhere in the shadow of his 
new conquest.  Of course this would explain homophobia, because the
strayt boys feel so guilty deep down that they have CHOOSEN to live
with their obssession for their mother, that they persecute us so they
can try and bring us down to their own scummy level.

I like my way of thinking!!!!!

Sick, I know but I like to play these logic games also.  
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1721 alt.sex:13527 rec.arts.books:7540
From: rlt20429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert L. Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:44:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.074455.7149
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I'm just jumping into this discusion out of the blue, and I'm not very good
with the VI editor so please bear with me.

While I doubt that anyone will ever find the HOMO gene, many sexualy   
related traits (and I'm not talking only about the obvious ones) are linked
to genes.  Genes have been found which relate to the lenght of time that
sex takes in fruit flys (by the way the mutant strain is called Stuck.)
Other sexual habbits are linked to biological functions and therefore genes
such as the "rare mail phenomina" (in which the least common mails get chosen   the most), or traits where a specific population density needs to be maintained
in order for breeding to occur.  I don't know if any real studies have been
done to see if homosexualy can be traced in certain families, but I would not
be surprised if there was something of a coration between family members (of    
course this could be nature vs nurture debate.  Perhaps the old "identical
twins sparated at birth" method could be used to see if there is any coralation.

I am not just spouting a load of shit here.  I am a genetisist and the more
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: To be or not to be.
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.175735.22367@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>El se~or Dyer, went even further. He called psychology a mythological 
>religion, and also claimed that modern psychology negates the Oedipus
>Complex. Any reference? No. Just showng ignorance, perhaps.

No, I called "psychoanalysis" a mythological religion, not
"psychology".  Psychoanalysis is simply not a part of modern
psychological thought except in a few enclaves of psychoanalysis, but
they're very much a dwindling minority, with little influence.
Such theories are outside the purview of the scientific method.

I advised Adolpho to read some modern American books on
psychology.  It doesn't matter much which one.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: slang
Date: 10 Apr 1992 17:12:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <jco7l1o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
> As a point of amusement, does anyone out there know what the slang
> word "punk" means?  How about you, Jack (punk@bogus.com).  
...
> Punk is a slang term, in the african american community, which means
> the same thing as "faggot"...

And its original meaning was "slut" or "prostitute".  Just read some
Renaissance English drama.

Arne
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: To be or not to be.
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:46:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.184506.10466@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.175735.22367@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>
>I advised Adolpho to read some modern American books on
>psychology.  It doesn't matter much which one.

It is Alberto o Adolfo.
And, gain, you are wrong. I read yesterday a modern American Book, called:
"Psychoanalitic Reflections on Current Issues", and they just say the 
opposite to what you say. Moreover, among the new adquisitions here,
at the library, they have quite a few new books that go against your 
position.
Even more, in most of the world, psychoanalysis, and its practices
are not only common, but highly respected.
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

AAP
From: twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Fartimus rims horses for money
Date: 1 Apr 92 04:33:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Apr1.003316.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <1992Mar31.224357.21349@wpi.WPI.EDU>, entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
> Well fartimus wintermute is back up, all you have accomplished is added
> a few more counts to your conviction when someone finally gets annoyed
> enough with your vandalism. Its lucky the machines you mail bombed had
> single digit numbers of users, consider just the civil damages if you
> had deprived several 100 users on a commercial site of the use of
> there system.

He did.  I think there are fewer than 100 users at
husc*.harvard.edu, but certainly more than single-digit numbers. 
He knocked out the fileserver on Sunday morning.  I think Ken
Robinson's sysadmins will be hearing from him shortly ...

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Simon LeVay says he can't find any lesbian
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  brains ... I've been to that bar."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / -- Max Meredith Vasilatos (max@athena.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,alt.flame
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1992 22:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Mar26.120818.10307@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>
>>Oops, -- almost missed this, but if your knowledge of arguments concerning
>>the morality of homosexual behavior is exemplified by your dating
>>Augustine of Hippo in the thirteenth century, perhaps your desperate need
>>to avoid making any substantive points is not so hard to explain.

I have a hard enough time imagining dating Augustine of Hippo in this
century, much less the 13th. I guess I am not the freethinker I thought I
was.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Les vrais paradis sont les paradis
mnemonic@eff.org | qu'on a perdus."
(617) 864-0665   | 
EFF, Cambridge   |          --Marcel Proust
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein I. Krav)
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Organization: SikSW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:44:22 GMT

In art <1992Apr6.012427.969@cs.uow.edu.au> The Jester wrote...

>amy young <alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>>I think a lot of the arguing that has been going on might be because
>>of this misunderstanding... I can't think of any other reason.

>If you want to post in this thread you must comment on the significance of the pizza

Well,  I for one like mushroom and females (the latter not on the pizza).
Don't know it there is a connection there though, but my daughter does not
like mushrooms but boys.  Is this the sort of information you were after,
Jester?  Why don't you call for a poll ?-)

All my favorite toppings were listed in an earlier post...

>-- 
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> / \/  /   \ \/ \   | 
>g8801935@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au

All the best...

Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'Oh... I see you have a machine that goes PING' - !John Cleese:-)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Subject: Re: Adream
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:28:54 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) divulges:
->That was rather amusing, actually.  I don't even know how much of Mr.
->Timi's incoherence was supposed to be me and how much was Alberto's
->fractured English.

What I find most amusing was that he had the gall to compare himself
to Galileo.  Of course, Galileo had much more than a scrap of paper to
proove his theories.  The same CAN'T be said for Mr. Pinkas.  All he
has is a bunch of pieces of paper and a warped sense of reality.  And
rather than talking about some Oedipus complex, perhaps we should talk
about Persecution complexes or deluded senses of grandeur?

Feh.

JOhn.
-- 
/-John A Kusters, jr.----------------------------------------------------______
| jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com              \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1975 alt.sex:14076
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:22:27 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu


>John F Haugh II writes:
>>There is very little that goes on in your head that isn't a matter of choice.
>>Sexual "preference" and "orientation" certainly are two of them.  At some
>>level you CHOSE to be gay, just like I chose to be a straight, conservative
>>minded liker of women with well-curved bodies.

John, you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't choose whether or not to be gay, you choose whether or not to
lie about it.

You don't cure gays and lesbians, you abuse them until they start lying
again.

Go survey your strayt male friends - how many of them are attracted to members
of both sexes and choose to behave heterosexually?  Not many.  Most strayt
men have been attracted to women all their lives, no choice about it.

Anyone who experiences sexual orientation as a choice is a bisexual.  Is
that what you're telling us?  Fine.  But it's not the experience we had.

Paul
-- 
Paul Ryan                  (pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu)     1101 W. Springfield Ave.
Center for Reliable High-Performance Computing     Urbana, IL 61801
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign         (217) 244-7179
From: amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:26:55 -0600
Organization: Macalester College

In article <P.ifi.6@troll.cs.uow.edu.au>, sik@cs.uow.edu.au (The 24hr man) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.114652.2374@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>
>     amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu wrote:
> 
>>Not paying attention to YOU all the time.....I have better things to do, like
>>my homework and my job....
>>Allison
> 
> Allison,
> 
> did you see the article from Mari (Black panter) Sepp} in alt.sex under
> the subject: What to call a XX person ? And the few followups?

No, unfortunately, it didn't show up (many things don't any more....) on my
computer.  I'm REALLY surprised that I can read this, as it is.....

> I have work to do as well, but I for one stood up and acknowledged that I made
> a mistake with this girl vs woman business.  Quite a few people noticed this and
> said - Hey, the guy stood up and said he made a mistake - listen...
> But the discussion went on and on and on and on.

I know, and I'm sorry I didn't stand up and say anything at that point.  I DID
notice, but by that time I was arguing with other people on the subject, since
I was getting lots of angry e-mail about it.

> Sorry to bother you people in soc.motss again, but you too should read Mari's
> article.  I'll pull soc.motss out of the header in future followups to this
> thread.  I just want you to know that I'm not a homophobe.  I probably
> support you more than the homophobes (The 'probably' is there because some of
> you (homosexuals) decided to abuse me....

OOPS!  I forgot to do that this time, but will do so in the future.  I'm
already eliminating sci.psychology from the header, as people from there are
e-mailing me saying they don't want this thread over there....Please do the
same if you haven't already.
Allison
amitchell@macalstr.edu
amitchel@math.macalstr.edu

My opinions are not necessarily those of the college itself, although I wish
they were.

"Taste me, taste me, I'm organic!" -from "(Let Me Be Your) Third World Country"
				    by The Bobs
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