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From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Re: Like riding in the rain?
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:02:51 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <yNDDrASABh105h@contempt.brisnet.org.au> rob@contempt.brisnet.org.au (Rob Amos) writes:

>Now my point:  I ENJOYED BEING OUT IN THE RAIN!  It had been a hot,
>boring, tiresome day.  The rain beating down on me was very refreshing.
>Everyone else was huddling under cover, so I had the bikeway all to
>myself.  It wasn't cold, windy or at all unpleasant, just cool,
>a little breezy, wet and FUN - Head down, zipping along at about 40 km/h
>listening to the rain rattle on my helmet.

YES!!

On Saturday morning in hot humid weather, four of us sweated our MTBs with gear 
up Spicers Gap. Spicers Gap is beside Cunninghams Gap on the dividing range
west of Brisbane. 
We pitched camp, ate lunch, veged for a bit, then to the rumbles of the
brewing thunder storm, we set off to play!

We had a fantastic time on trails and the old cart tracks.
We rode through open forest, carried up and around rocky outcrops, pedalled
through sub-tropical rainforest, and gambolled through some wonderful mud.
In the rainforst section, the sound of the birds was deafening. We had 
an interesting time negotiating the long slippery tree roots continually
traversing the trail.

The rain came down in huge drops about half way through our 2 hour ride, 
and it was not long before we were covered from head to toe in thick black mud!
It brought back all those good feelings from being a small child as we
quickly became drenched and speckled by the warm rain and mud.

When what was the best riding I've ever done was finished, the rain
politly increased in intensity for 5 or 10 minutes while we cleaned up,
and then quickly stopped for us to dry up, pour a glass of wine, and 
get stuck into dinner. This was for me, the perfect wet weather experience.

The only negative point was that the next days ride was greatly hampered
by the sticky cloying black clay that clogged our wheels and gears until
they could turn no more. It took us a couple of hours more than we intended
to finish our ride, but it was a small price to pay for Saturdays fun.

>Maybe discovering that I like the rain (and a bit of mud) will
>bring me to join a MTB club and take my MTB out into the trails - I
>dunno.

You don't need a club, a few good friends is enough!

>Anyone else have any 'Human and bicycle" bonding stories, such
>as this one?

Sorry if I got a little carried away...

Andrew
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Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: kauer@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au (Karl Auer)
Subject: Re: Any words of wisdom on Bike Rear View Mirrors?
Organization: NEC Information Systems Australia, Canberra
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:42:33 GMT

Brian McDermott <bmcdermo@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au> writes:

>I've been wondering about the wisdom of using rear view mirrors,
>especially  in city traffic.

>I visited a couple of bike shops here in Adelaide and the sales staff
>there didn't have too much positive to say about them, although they
>stocked the type that attaches to the handle bar. One shop had stocked
>the helmet type several years ago, but had discontinued them primarily
>because they shook too much to be of any use.

>Rec.Bicycles has a thread dealing specifically with the helmet types and
>opinion seems to be that they are an asset.

I use a helmet mirror, and have done so for years. I use a hard-shell
helmet, and the mirror clips to the right-hand edge, so that the mirror
itself is about 4 inches from my right eye. I adjust the mirror so that
I can see a reflection of the road behind me framed by my head and right
shoulder.

It took me about a week to get used to the mirror- there is a knack to moving
ONLY your eyes, NOT your head! However, your brain already has very sensitive
and sophisticated anti-vibration adjustments, so you see a crystal-clear
image, and with very slight head movements you can scan almost 180 degrees
behind you with a little practice.

The handle-bar types are useless - they pick up all the road vibrations
and must aim wherever you point the front wheel, so you can't use them
while turning.

These days I feel completely lost riding without a mirror - I feel blinded.
In traffic they are a must.

Regards, K.
From: rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Angus Y. Montgomery)
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Re: Any words of wisdom on Bike Rear View Mirrors?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:19:25 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

bmcdermo@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au (Brian McDermott) writes:

>I've been wondering about the wisdom of using rear view mirrors,
>especially  in city traffic.

I've used a handlebar-connected mirror for a few years now.
It's called a "Mirrycle" (cheesy, i know), and actually attaches at the
top of the brake lever (on racing-style hbars).
The brake cable passes through it if you've got external brake cables.
It's unobtrusive and easily adjustable.
They come suited for MTBs as well.
They were ~$15 when i got mine.

I've found it invaluable in city traffic, and only look over my shoulder
when about to change lanes.
I used to live in permanent fear of what was coming from behind.
I got it soon after I got my driver's license, as I had grown used to being
able to see behind me at a glance.

hope this helps.

.angus.
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: tosca@crispin_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Crispin Russell)
Subject: Re: Any words of wisdom on Bike Rear View Mirrors?
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:20:06 GMT

In article <1epkc0INN1k5@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au>, Brian McDermott <bmcdermo@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au> writes:
|> I've been wondering about the wisdom of using rear view mirrors,
|> especially  in city traffic.
|> 
|> I visited a couple of bike shops here in Adelaide and the sales staff
|> there didn't have too much positive to say about them, although they
|> stocked the type that attaches to the handle bar. One shop had stocked
|> the helmet type several years ago, but had discontinued them primarily
|> because they shook too much to be of any use.
|> 
|> Rec.Bicycles has a thread dealing specifically with the helmet types and
|> opinion seems to be that they are an asset.
|> 
|> Asset or not, I rarely see rear view mirrors on bikes here in Adelaide.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> Brian McDermott
|> Dept. of Community Medicine
|> University of Adelaide

I had one come with my Skid Lid a few years ago but the damn thing is only
about 15mm across and would be ok if the shaft it was on was longer.  I
have enquired around a few shops in Canberra but can't seem to find anywhere
that stocks a larger one.

	As to the merit of them,  I find it quite good in that it beats
looking over my shoulder to check if the other fellow I cycle with who is
somewhat slower than I, has not dropped off.  You mentioned vibration, I
can`t speak for others but the one I have is all metal and clips on the visor
of my helmet.  It certainly does not vibrate.  It is difficult to position so
that I don't just see the side of my own helmet due to the length of the shaft.
Perhaps some home modifications are called for sometime.


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Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver)
Subject: Re: Clipless/Cleat Pedals - Comments?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:40:09 GMT

I have been using SPD a525 for the pass 6 months.  They're great.
These are my first clipless pedal (rattrapless make more sense, since
they certainly have clips), and have no problem changing over from
cleated shoe.  It great for commuting, you can get off a walk with
clicking away, and risking your neck on slick surfaces.

Talking about prices,  I find Sydney bike stores very expensive compare
to Adelaide for parts.  (I move to Sydney 6 months ago from Adelaide)
I been changed $10 for a Shimano rear cog (of a cassette) the last one
I bought in Adelaide was $5.   I've seen Tri-Flow for sale in a shop
here for $9, in Adelaide about $6 (at Recycle Cycle they even refill your
empty bottle for ~4).

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Xref: sparky aus.bicycle:490 aus.news:197
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle,aus.news
Subject: Re: aus.driving, coming soon.
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:05:41 GMT
Followup-To: aus.bicycle
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <brent.721612531@coffeeshop>,
    brent@socs.uts.edu.au writes:

| How about aus.cage, aus.coffin or aus.generic.volvo?

Nahh - aus.volvos.and.bicycles - that's always good for a laugh.

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From: rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Angus Y. Montgomery)
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Clipless/Cleat Pedals - Comments?
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:50:50 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au


	I need some new pedals.
	I'm considering getting Clipless ones, but I find the price rather
	extravagant.

	Could anyone who's bought/researched/used clipless pedals please
	report:
		- their impressions
		- the pros and cons of the various systems (look's, SPD).
		- how good are 3rd party pedals (for instance MKS's SPD pedals).
		- what's a reasonable price to pay.
	

	I have a pair of shimano SPD shoes (which I've been using in my clips
	for ~1 year), and am interested in a pair of _touring_ pedals,
	although I'm willing to consider MTB pedals if they're cheap.

	At the moment I've got this info...
	-shimano SPD a525 (1 sided, touring)	$150 (old).
	-shimano SPD m525 (2 sided, touring)	$150 (old) $190 (new).
	-shimano SPD xt's (2 sided, mtb)	$150 (old).
	-shimano SPD  737			$200 (old)
	-shimano SPD durace (road)		$450 (old)
	-MKS SPD (touring)			$150 (new).
	-wellco (? system)			$99.

	a note on the prices: new stock is more expensive due to the $OZ
	falling against the yen. this means that most bike bits will go
	up soon. buy now and avoid the rush!

	note on shimano 525's (the pedals i _was_ looking at):
	one report i had was that they were 'full of plastic' and that anyone
	serious would buy the 737's (another $50!). is this sales talk?

	thanks for all replies to any of these questions.
	angus.
From: Brian McDermott <bmcdermo@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au>
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
Subject: Any words of wisdom on Bike Rear View Mirrors?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 03:49:20 GMT
Organization: Dept of Community Medicine
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mac146.commed.adelaide.edu.au
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I've been wondering about the wisdom of using rear view mirrors,
especially  in city traffic.

I visited a couple of bike shops here in Adelaide and the sales staff
there didn't have too much positive to say about them, although they
stocked the type that attaches to the handle bar. One shop had stocked
the helmet type several years ago, but had discontinued them primarily
because they shook too much to be of any use.

Rec.Bicycles has a thread dealing specifically with the helmet types and
opinion seems to be that they are an asset.

Asset or not, I rarely see rear view mirrors on bikes here in Adelaide.

Thanks in advance.

Brian McDermott
Dept. of Community Medicine
University of Adelaide
Newsgroups: aus.bicycle
From: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rob Logie)
Subject: Re: Clipless/Cleat Pedals - Comments?
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:11:43 GMT

rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Angus Y. Montgomery) writes:


>	I need some new pedals.
>	I'm considering getting Clipless ones, but I find the price rather
>	extravagant.

>	Could anyone who's bought/researched/used clipless pedals please
>	report:
>		- their impressions
>		- the pros and cons of the various systems (look's, SPD).
>		- how good are 3rd party pedals (for instance MKS's SPD pedals).
>		- what's a reasonable price to pay.
>	

>	I have a pair of shimano SPD shoes (which I've been using in my clips
>	for ~1 year), and am interested in a pair of _touring_ pedals,
>	although I'm willing to consider MTB pedals if they're cheap.

>	At the moment I've got this info...
>	-shimano SPD a525 (1 sided, touring)	$150 (old).
>	-shimano SPD m525 (2 sided, touring)	$150 (old) $190 (new).
>	-shimano SPD xt's (2 sided, mtb)	$150 (old).
>	-shimano SPD  737			$200 (old)
>	-shimano SPD durace (road)		$450 (old)
>	-MKS SPD (touring)			$150 (new).
>	-wellco (? system)			$99.

>	a note on the prices: new stock is more expensive due to the $OZ
>	falling against the yen. this means that most bike bits will go
>	up soon. buy now and avoid the rush!

>	note on shimano 525's (the pedals i _was_ looking at):
>	one report i had was that they were 'full of plastic' and that anyone
>	serious would buy the 737's (another $50!). is this sales talk?

>	thanks for all replies to any of these questions.
>	angus.


I changed over to SPD's on my MTB that I use for commuting.  They are terrific,
I would find it very hard to go back to normal pedals.  I consider that
they are worth getting (Shame about the rip off price in Australia).




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From: ccw@deakin.OZ.AU (Craig Warren)
Newsgroups: aus.archives
Subject: Prospero side of archie
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:52:52 +1100
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.deakin.oz.au

If you use the Prospero part of archie, it MAY now be fixed!

Give it a try...
From: waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (WA Office of Higher Education)
Newsgroups: aus.education
Subject: Rural Access to Higher Education
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:10:24 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
Summary: Supplementary marks for country school-leavers aid acces to uni.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

ENTRY TO UNIVERSITY BY COUNTRY STUDENTS
Issues for Discussion

This four page discussion document canvasses the possiblity of supplementing
the tertiary entrance marks of students from under-represented secondary
schools.

The document is available by e-mail and in hard copy

Contact Ms Linley Hine

WESTERN AUSTRALIAN OFFICE OF HIGHER EDUCATION
PO BOX 288
WEST PERTH 6872		   (09) 483 8200 fax (09) 322 2069
WESTERN AUSTRALIA          waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
From: lingard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.education.npit
Subject: more information
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:19:11 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

For further information on Partnerships in Training
please contact 
TERRY MARTIN
IN%"martinac@brt.deakin.edu.au"
or
Terry Martin
Technology Management Centre
Burwood campus
Deakin University
221 Burwood Hwy
BURWOOD VIC 3125.
T

Thanks,
Laurie Lingard.
QDC.
From: lingard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.education.npit
Subject: news
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:20:49 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

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Newsgroups: aus.education
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Subject: BRADLEY SMITH
Organization: McGill University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:06:23 GMT

I JUST READ AN INTERESTING PAPER BY A BRADLEY SMITH IN THE CHEMISTRY
DEPARTMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WESTERN AUSTRAILIA. DOES SOMEONE
KNOW HIS EMAIL ADDRESS?
PLEASE, REPLY TO MC.AUS
From: Gosbell@FEDCMAC.EDC.RMIT.EDU.AU (Kerryn Gosbell)
Newsgroups: aus.education
Subject: Energy efficiency in higher education
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:03:03 GMT
Followup-To: aus.education
Organization: RMIT
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerryn.edc.rmit.oz.au

RMIT university in Melbourne is conducting research into the incorporation
of energy issues into tertiary education curriculum and energy use on
campus.

As the projects Research Assistant I am seeking to compile information
regarding these two areas of energy in tertiary institutions across the
world.

Topics covered in course curriculum could include for example:
	% Energy efficiency and conservation
	% Environmental and social impacts of energy
	% Energy economics / cost
	% Energy management
	% Renewable and alternative energy
	% Energy use
	% Design for energy efficiency

I am specifically seeking to identify examples of curriculum materials and
activities such as research projects, guest speakers, field visits and
information sources used, but am also interested in finding out what
contexts are set for students. ie. Why is energy conservation worth
pursuing?

In addition, I am seeking information regarding any work that has been
undertaken which looks at the actual energy consumption of tertiary
institutions and at ways of reducing this consumption.

If anyone has information or relevant contacts in either of these two areas
I would appreciate hearing from them either through my E-mail address or by
sending material to me via the postal address below.

Thanks!

Kerryn Gosbell
Department of Planning, Policy & Landscape
RMIT
GPO Box 2476V
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia  3001
Newsgroups: aus.education
From: soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU (Soh Kam Hung)
Subject: Re: Motivation for learning fractions
Keywords: fractions
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:19:45 GMT

soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU (Soh Kam Hung) writes:

>I have a friend who is teaching a Year 3 student arithmetic.  At
>present, we are trying to think of examples of using fractions in
>everyday life.  Why should we even bother adding or subtracting
>fractions when decimals will do the job almost as well?

In case there is any confusion, I should have written: Are there any
good reasons for learning addition, subtraction, multiplication and
division of fractions?

>Fuel: ``I have a quarter tank of petrol.  A full tank is 20 litres.
>How many litres should I buy if I want an extra half a tank of
>petrol?''

Oops!  Someone pointed out to my mistake!  I should have written: ``How
many litres should I buy if I want half a tank of petrol?''

Again, please email your responses and I will post a summary if there
is enough interest.

Regards,

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Newsgroups: aus.education
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Undergrad access to AARNet (really: Political Science Simulations)
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:42:50 GMT

jas@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (John Shepherd) writes:

 >Some students spend up to six hours
 >a day on it for the period of 3 weeks that the simulation is running, which
 >is a good sign that the students are getting very involved in what is
 >primarily a learning experience.

And also a good sign that they are ignoring their other subjects. 
Six hours a day on one subject for three weeks? Sounds like
major net.addiction.

                             Brent.

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Newsgroups: aus.education
From: soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU (Soh Kam Hung)
Subject: Motivation for learning fractions
Summary: Ideas for motivating students?
Keywords: fractions
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:59:36 GMT

I have a friend who is teaching a Year 3 student arithmetic.  At
present, we are trying to think of examples of using fractions in
everyday life.  Why should we even bother adding or subtracting
fractions when decimals will do the job almost as well?

Despite our best attempts, we could only find one good real-life
example:

Fuel: ``I have a quarter tank of petrol.  A full tank is 20 litres.
How many litres should I buy if I want an extra half a tank of
petrol?''

If you have any good reasons (from the point of view of a 8 or 9 year
old) for learning fractions, please email.  I will post a summary if
there is enough interest.

Regards,

Soh Kam Hung, Network Management Research,     | h.soh@trl.oz.au  
TRL, POB 249 Clayton, Victoria 3168, Australia | +61 3 253 6638
Newsgroups: aus.sf
From: evan@dnd.icp.nec.com.au (Wendigo)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG - Shades of Grey
Organization: NEC Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 11:17:53 GMT

rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>) writes:

>In <andrew.721010872@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au> andrew@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Andrew Moore) writes:
>>bsmith@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Brian Smith) writes:
>>>BLEEEAHHHHHHGGGHGHGHGHGHG !
>>My sentiments precisely.
>>What a truly pathetic episode, methinks the script writers were on
>>strike or at the very least, had a mental block ?

It struck me as a bit of a pathetic attempt at suspense drama.  I think
the main reason this didn't work was because you didn't really care
whether Riker lived or died...
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From: sad@deakin.OZ.AU (Scott Macdonald)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: re: Evolution
Date: 15 Nov 1992 08:52:00 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: tethys.cc.deakin.oz.au

I noticed that Picard and Riker both seemed to speak slightly quicker and at
a slightly higher pitch.  Particularly at the start with Picards log report.

Did anyone else notice this?

Scott Macdonald
Deakin University Warrnambool

Newsgroups: aus.sf,aus.films
From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: Sydney's SF Film Fest
Organization: The Shell
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:59:47 GMT

Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au> writes:

>Stephen Boyd Gowing, sbg@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>>But weren't.  Latest ticket existance estimation is Thursdayish.

>Still aren't:

>I tried to get the tickets Thursday, but the girlie said:
>"umm..they're not ready, they tell me Friday, but I'd wait until
> Monday to make sure.  This is a saga, isn't it?"
Well, it's Tuesday now does anyone know if they've been printed yet ?
The question is will they be printed in time ? If at all ?

A Very Pessimistic Snail
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Newsgroups: aus.sf,aus.films