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From: czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:20:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus

The best thing you can do is keep all the options open and available
to her.  Kids will change their minds thousands of times as to what
they want to grow up to be.

Guide and nurture her, as I'm sure you do, and respect whatever 
decision she makes when she grows up.  She may take the road you
want, she may not.  If she makes a well-informed decision, respect it.

Kevin 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:35:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.002607.16027@SSD.intel.com> wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
>actively register your baby 1 month after it is born.  Nowadays, good 
>childcares have waiting lists, it's not a bad idea if you do find one now
>and pre-register your baby.  
>
Sorry, I meant to say that good childcare (to my standard) is hard to come
by, but some of the good ones allow waiting lists or pre-registration ...

>Wen-lin

--
From: mnj@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (madhuri.jarwala)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pregnancy and Wine sauce
Keywords: pregnancy, food, wine
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:09:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Hello! I am a new reader of this newsgroup and I have found it very useful.
I don't know if this has been discussed before. I know that you don't drink 
alcohol when pregnant. But is food cooked in wine a problem? 
I am pregnat and may be going to France in my second trimester. I certainly 
would not drink; but I would love to eat good French food. And from what I 
hear, wine is commonly used in French sauces. 
Will that be harmful to the baby? But doesn't most of the alcohol evaporate
in the cooking process? I don't want to be foolish, but on the other hand,
I don't want to be paronoid either.  
I want to enjoy this trip because I have never been to Europe before and 
probably it may be a few years before we go again. And now that my appetite is
returning, I do want to enjoy French cuisine. But obviously, the well being
of baby is more important than my gluttany ;-)
So can you experienced parents give me some advice? Post if you think it is
of general interest. If I get emails, I will summarize.
Thank you.

--Madhuri Jarwala
mnj@att.cbnewsk.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25290 misc.education:3590 k12.chat.teacher:4099 sci.med:18598
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:21:51 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <aidler.718384836@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>How do doctors make their living?
>(By diagnosing illnesses and prescribing treatments.)
>The words and hypocritical actions of these professionals
>cause me to question whenever they recommend something
>"in my interest."
>
>Anyone can see that there is a huge medical industry
>in Canada and the U.S.A.  Medical doctors, nurses, and
>pharmaceutical conglomerates, etc. are all involved.
>Their objective is to form a monopoly by excluding
>all medical alternatives: naturopaths, chiropractic,
>midwives, etc.
>
>I stress monopoly because medical doctors want their
>prominence protected by law by refusing allow patients
>the freedom to choose their medical care.
>The Canada National Health Act (our socialized health
>insurance program) excludes any practitioner not
>recognized by the doctors' medical associations.
>Europeans have been much less gullible in accepting
>the absolute authority of medical doctors.
>

	You are right.  And in the case of the issue at hand a
	big problem is the unwillingness of insurance companies
	to cover the types of testing (beyond simple allergies)
	that are necessary to properly diagnose sensetivity
	reactions.

	This point was brought up on Phil yesterday by mothers
	in the audience as well as Dr. Rapp.

	Additionally, our friend (mentioned in my letter) had wanted
	to see Dr Rapp.  Her son is almost allergic to air, and
	it was very difficult for her to isolate all of his problems
	herself, even though she is an R.N.  Insurance won't cover
	most of their medical for this.  And I always hear shock
	waves about how pissed they are at the insurance company.

	Incidentally, one of the "cures" for this boy involved(s)
	giving him certain enzyme additives to help him digest
	certain things he has a problem with.

	This problem is very diverse.  And it is one reason many
	people are not willing to acknowledge it.  It's difficult
	to define because each case is so different.

	A mother called the show yesterday and told how she knew
	her kid was allergic to milk or something.  None of her
	family would believe her for 8 years.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25326 soc.singles:27107
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:43:13 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In excellent article <LOWRY.92Oct4152902@rotor.watson.ibm.com> 
lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:

>The problem I have with what the doll says is not that it's
>unrealistic or unreasonable, but that it reinforces some existing
>stereotypes that are damaging to women (and to society in general).

Andy brings up some excellent points, and I'd like to add an 
observation of my own.  In school, I was a girl who was good at
math, and I didn't find it hard.  However, being good at math was 
not perceived as a very "feminine" trait by most of my peers, and I 
got into the habit of hiding and downplaying my math skills in order 
to conform to a more "desirable" feminine model.  I'm sure lots of 
women in this forum remember doing this as well.  The fact that 
Barbie, a supposedly attractive character, says she finds math 
hard reinforces for those girls who _are_ good in math that they'd 
better pretend they're not if they want to be popular or liked,
or even normal.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Subject: City mulch (was Re: Playground rubber mat?)
Reply-To: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:04:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.155015.12701@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:

>How about lots and lots of mulch?  Many city playgrounds have
>playground equipment surrounded with mulch.  And at least in
>my city (Allentown, PA), you can get as much mulch for free as
>you want at the city yard waste recycling center where they chop
>and grind stuff to make mountains of mulch.  It's soft, cheap,
>not as dirty as sand or dirt/mud.  
>
>Christine
>mom-2-b in Jan. '93

My city (Escondido) has started mandatory yard waste recycling due
to problems with running out of landfill space. In general this seems
like a good idea but I'd be very concerned about using this material
in areas where children play because you have no idea what might be
in it. Things that concern me: lots of people go overboard with
insecticides and weed killers, who knows what you might be getting.
Even worse, many common garden plants are EXTREMELY toxic. Oleanders
for instance are extremely popular in Escondido, drought resistent
you know, but chewing or sucking on a single twig of Oleander could
be fatal to a child. I remember a few years several cub scouts dying
after eating hot dogs cooked by skewering them on Oleander sticks
and holding them over a camp fire.
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:58:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

I knew a fellow named Peter Toy.  That doesn't sound too bad until you
think about all the ribbing he got when the school roll call was done,
as it usually was done last name first..... :-(
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Episiotomy and Canadian study
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.145106.16897@col.hp.com> beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones) writes:
>My first child was born using forceps - I don't know whether it was
>upper/lower/or mid but Ben was really stuck.  The doctor used an
>incredibly long, very fine needle to administer some kind of local
>anesthetic (no epidural or other medication).  Then he cut a whopping
>episiotomy (which I didn't feel), and pried Ben out.  It was quite
>painful for about 10 seconds (maybe), while the baby was actually
>exiting.  I believe I screamed once or twice, but it was over with very
>quickly.  The silly nurse asked if I had a cramp in my leg!
>
>I didn't feel the stitching going on, the episiotomy was not a big
>problem afterwards, and having my baby in my arms made me feel a whole
>lot better.

This is very similar to what happened with the late stages of my delivery,
which occurred with the help of a vacuum extractor. I had even had an
epidural, but it had been turned off (to give me more control because 
the pushing was getting lengthy), so I'm not sure why it hurt. I did
feel the stitching, by the way, but when they administered more local 
anesthesia it was fine.

--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu
From: chad@lilly.com (Chad Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Skipping grade 4?
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:52:58 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Eli Lilly and Company

In article <3310@isgtec.isgtec.com> Mike Sellers, mike@isgtec.com writes:
>Oh, one other thing:  His birthday is December 4.  In Oregon, that was 
>after the cut-off for the next grade up, but here in Canada, the cut-off 
>is December 31, so other kids his age are also in 5th grade.  

	My parents had to fight tooth-and-nail to get me to start
	school early (my b-day is October 28, far past the September 
	1st deadline).  I was always the youngest in the class, but
	it wasn't a problem.  If the kids in the class above him are
	still his own age, I would definitely recommend that you
	move him up the grade.  I believe that school needs to be as
	challenging as possible for as long as possible with your
	gifted child.  From personal experience, if it's not challenging,
	your child will either find other things to challenge him
	(possibly challenging the authority structure in school) or
	he will turn off to school as not important and maybe lose
	the love of learning.

	Just my two cents, probably worth much less...

/-----------------------\------------------------------\
| Chad Miller            \ Lilly Research Laboratories | 
| Systems Manager/Analyst \ 2001 West Main St. MS GL18 |  
| Internet: chad@lilly.com \ Greenfield, Indiana 46140 | 
| miller@nuacc.acns.nwu.edu \ (317)277-4107 Fax: -4962 |
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.052814.5775@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:
>These are YOUR children we'd be paying for, too.
>They don't stop being your kids just because you don't live with
>them.  If you don't agree, just ask them, the kids, not your x-wife
>or the net.
>Kate Perkins

	Of course for every human being alive the fact exists that
	they look to only one man and one woman as their biological
	parents. (Except for surrogate mothers, but let's drop that)

	Parents are not the same.  They may have dozens of kids.
	And if some of them die there are others that fill that "space".
	And it is only when a person cannot have *any* kids that they
	get all bent out of shape.

	So yes, every kid "has a mother and a father" who they have
	a desire/need to know, to fill some kind of psychological
	slot.  But are you the "parent" if you left before the kid
	ever knew who you were or had any memory, and hasn't seen you
	since?  Yes, you exist as a pillar of parenthood;  the
	"one and only" for that human.  But that is far from actually
	being a parent.

	"not living with them" can make a world of difference.

	Funny, I was watching TV last night.  This divorced couple
	were talking.  A few older kids.  Very cordial and civil.
	The mother began giving "instructions" to the man about
	the teenage kid(s).  The man responded with something about
	being their parent and not needing instructions.  The
	woman pointed out that he was just "part-time", or "visiting",
	or something of that nature, and *that* would never be the same
	as always being there.

	WHAT A SLAM!!!!!!...........................She was RIGHT!

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Heart Murmur--Thanks
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:29:51 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I want to thank everyone that e-mailed or posted in regards to my question
about Shannon's heart murmur.  Many people posted stories of heart murmurs
which were not serious at all, which was reassuring.  Some people also posted
stories of heart murmurs which were corrected by surgery and then caused no
more trouble.  Our appointment with the cardiologist is on October 19, so we
should know more after that.  I will post and let everyone know what happens.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences with me.

Cindy
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: I DON'T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL!
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:19:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Keywords: kindergarten

My 5-yr old started kindergarten this month--this would be his third week
except that he missed the entire second week because of  a bad cold. 
He seems to like different aspects of school well enough, and is an
old hand at the business by virtue of 1 1/2 yrs in a preschool between
the ages of 3 and almost-5.  The problem is that we are already hearing,
"I don't want to go to school!".  A couple of mornings I have had
to dress him myself, in the midst of protests.  Part of the trouble is having 
to be in school by 8:00 am--he is the only one of my kids who is inclined
to sleep at all late, although over the summer he was up by 7:15 most of
the time.  There is an afternoon kindergarten but I don't want to switch
him--his a.m. teacher is very good and if he still persisted in
fighting school, it would fall to his babysitter to have to deal with it. 

I try to encourage him by pointing out all the fun things that he gets
to do at school.   I have also (finally) told him that we don't have a 
choice in the matter--that he's required by law to be in school.
I am concerned that he really does enjoy school but is also starting
to enjoy this morning game.  Any ideas for motivating a behavior change
before this is established as morning routine?

Sue


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Car Seats After an Accident
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:07:00 GMT

In article <GeraldR.85.0@sunfish.ratsys.com>, GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes...
>In article <25612@oasys.dt.navy.mil> handle@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Handleton) writes:
> 
>>Anyway, the owners booklet of the Century carseat said replace it if
>>it is involved in an accident,
> 
>My view on car seats, bike helmets, seat belts, etc is that after they have 
>served in one accident they have ended their useful lives. They aren't 
>tested to survive two accidents.
> 
>I also suggest that if they are not visibly destroyed that they be 
>destroyed (after insurance etc is done with them) before they are thrown 
>away.

I'm not sure I agree with this; on the other hand I don't want to appear to
be condoning a practice that might really be unsafe. However...

We are told to discard helmets after an impact, as there may be damage that 
cannot be seen. This I can understand - the helmet absorbs kinetic energy 
that would otherwise be transmitted to the skull by tearing and allowing 
itself to be destroyed. The foam can come apart under the liner, the glue can 
come away from the hard shell, fibreglass shells will crack and delaminate
(I've had it happen).

Child car seats are not designed to absorb energy - the car bodywork is
supposed to do that. The car seat is supposed to stop the child from hitting
the inside of the car, and to distribute the forces of rapid deceleration
over a well-distributed number of points on the body. My car seats are made
of steel, plastic (not sure what kind, looks like polyethylene), and
dacron webbing. These are easily inspected for damage. 

If your car is involved in an accident, you probably get it fixed rather than 
demand it be crushed. You probably wouldn't get the seats replaced unless 
they were obviously broken, or the seat belts either (OK, I don't actually 
know whether body shops replace these as a matter of course; maybe they do 
if the external damage is severe). 

It seems to me to be environmentally irresponsible to throw something away 
that is quite possibly in perfectly good condition. I think that you could 
easily inspect all the components, welds, stitching, etc. for signs of 
damage. On the other had, if you try to get a professional person to do it 
for you, you may end up paying them more that it cost to mass-produce the 
seat in the first place. 

This is my opinion only, and does not constitute advice that you should
use damaged car seats.

--
 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: kayvan@satyr.Rational.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: Rational, Santa Clara, CA
	<1992Sep28.180113.4039@nwnexus.WA.COM>
	<1992Sep29.025518.26079@jetsun.weitek.COM>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:17:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.025518.26079@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:

   PLEASE - don't donate to UNICEF until they agree to stop performing this
   procedure in their childrens' hospitals. By 'medicalizing' the practice,
   it is given greater legitimacy. The operation is also frequent in the
   Phillipines. If you have ever watched an infibulated woman walk - she takes
   narrow, tight little steps since the band of tissue grabs and pulls 
   and causes pain with every long step. Watching the Egyptian women's 
   karate team is a revelation - they use very short kicks. It isn't funny.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Please call UNICEF and demand that they stop legitimizing this
procedure.

			---Kayvan
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From: tina@bnr.ca (Tina Ley P015)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Skipping grade 4?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:51:40 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

In article <3310@isgtec.isgtec.com>, mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
 


(Stuff Deleted)

 
|> My older son, Justin, has long displayed high intelligence (they're all
|> smart, as near as we can tell, but he's pretty amazing).  In 2nd grade
|> he was measured as having between a 6th and 8th grade reading ability --
|> that's as high as the test went.  


(Stuff Deleted)

|> 
|> We've done as much as we could with all the kids at each stage of their
|> development to supplement their schooling -- we believe that learning and
|> the love for it begins at home.  However, we're now faced with the issue
|> of whether we should jump Justin to grade 5.  
|> 
|> His teacher is all for it -- they're just a few weeks into school and
|> already she's just about run out of things for him to do with the rest
|> of the class.  His academics are clearly up to it, and his socialization
|> skills are just fine.  On the other hand, he's not a big or real physical
|> kid, and this might cause him problems later in adolescence.  
|> 

 I was the same way as Justin as a child. His abilities just might cause 
problems later in life because of boredom. If his teacher agrees with this
move that by all means do it. If he gets bored in his school he will 
become lazy. Then school work won't be a challange and therefore won't 
get done. Take it from someone who knows first hand. I got bbored with school
and just about quit by the time I reached High School. I had a bright teacher
who reconized it and gave me a challange to spark my interest. I skipped
1st grade because of my abilities and was in advanced classes for the next
couple of years. Then I was moved to a private school. Move Justin along
as the teachers recommend. He will thank you for it later.

Tina Let...Megan's Mom
  
|> 
|> Anyway, the big question is: What experiences have others had with 
|> kids skipping a grade?  Should we or shouldn't we?  I really lean 
|> toward doing it, but we want to do the right thing for Justin over the
|> long haul.  So, others hindsight would be real useful to us now.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance,
|> Mike, father of 5 (and maybe one more! :-) )
|> 
|> --
|>               Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
|>            mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
|>               "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
|>                          Furare tantum ab Optimis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: What happened to Barney?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:15:24 GMT


	What happened to the Barney show?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20 mo won't sit down to eat
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:40:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTEL

I'm so glad to see the recent posts about this.  Matthew (21 months) has 
had a little table in the family room since he was about a year old.  The 
table is in front of the TV and in clear view of the table in the kitchen, 
where we usually try to eat.  I have found that Matthew eats more of his 
meal, and behaves himself better, if allowed to take his meal/snack in to 
eat at his little table.  He carries the plate in himself and brings it 
back to me in the kitchen when he is done.  It takes him longer to eat 
this way, but he eats more, too.  I don't allow real messy things in 
there, because it's too hard to clean up (room is carpeted).   Besides, 
he's also one of those kids who gave up the highchair at 16 months, so at 
the dinner table, he sits in a booster seat and that's not an ideal 
situation either.  I would rather he eat with us, and he usually has 
dinner with us, but it's one of those battles I don't feel like fighting.  
We have too many other ones :) .  I also don't fight about what he eats.  
I make up a plate that's fairly balanced, and he eats what he eats.  He is 
certainly not undernourished!!  I figure time will straighten this one out.

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com