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From: guy.smiley@sesame.st.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Speed and alcohol long term use effects question.
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:59:57 GMT

Hi,

   A couple of unrelated questions.

   First off, I know nothing about amphetamine(s??), but my trusty
   Cambridge Encyclopaedia ( a one volume book, but the only reference
   book I possess ) states that continued use of amphetamine can lead
   to formication ( sensation of insects crawling on the skin, not a
   typo. ), paranoia and depression. I have also read that withdrawal
   from long term heavy usage can also lead to these symptoms.  What
   I'm wondering, is what ( if known ) are the physiological reasons
   for these symptoms ( especially the depression ), and why do both a
   depressant and a stimulant cause these effects in the long run?


   Since I don't know anything about speed, would anybody mind filling
   me in on it's structure, effects etc. Also, in Tom Wolfe's book 'The
   Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test' ( haven't got the book handy, and my
   memory isn't the best, so I might have got the title wrong, but you
   know the one, so no flames please, if I'm incorrect ), he states
   that the Merry Pranksters found that a combination of speed and
   grass could produce an acid type experience. Has anybody else found
   this to be the case?


   Finally, I have often seen references to Medline in this group. Is
   this service available to anyone on Internet ? If so, how can it be
   accessed ?


		Thanks, The alt.drugs information leech.

   P.S. I have heard that there can be large quantities of strychnine
   in rat poison. I personally don't believe it, but I have heard from
   a friend that his rat got stomach cramps and died after eating it ?
   Is this possible ?
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Repost request for refs on D. illinoensis
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug20.173711.27166@midway.uchicago.edu>, bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.112108.22211@klaava.Helsinki.FI> ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:
> 
>>Thompson et al. report that the root bark of this North American perennial
>>shrub contains 0.34% DMT and 0.11% N-methyltryptamine...
> [Lots of good info deleted]
> 
> I'm still hoping that someone will post or e-mail references which
> discuss the psychoactivity of D. illinoensis.

Probably impossible: I would be very surprised if there were any.
Who would bother to publish on this?

>  This Thompson et al.
> would be a good place to start.

Just a routine analysis of a common plant describing some of its
chemical constituents, one of which happened to be DMT.
J.Agric.Food Chem., mid 80's I believe (I don't have the
exact reference, but the interesting information is printed above.)

>  I did a medline search a while back,
> came up empty handed, tried paging through various journals, but
> still have no hard information.  If such information has been posted
> and I missed it, I'd appreciate e-mail.

If you want to know about the effects of DMT, search DMT.
If you want to know about the effects of monomethyl tryptamine,
search that. If you want to know about the effects of
Desmanthus illinoensis which contains these and other
compounds, you will have to talk to someone who has tried it.

Remember that the dose of DMT is aprx. 60 mg smoked, and that it
is not orally active without co-use with certain mono-amine
oxidase inhibitors, and hence the plant is useless as an
alterant without these or without chemical purification
of the active component.
 
>>Petrus
>    --Matt

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Toxicology book review
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:33:34 GMT

In article <1734@ceylon.gte.com> RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:

>...I'm sure the 
>brain physiology of field mice would preclude the occurence of a 'trip', 
>but the notion of sending a rodent to Hell and back for his transgression 
>does have a certain charm.

Don't be so sure.  I see no reason why mice shouldn't fry their little
brains as well as humans.

>Rob

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares)
Subject: recent media stuff
Organization: Amherst College
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:39:27 GMT

From the Sept. 7th Newsweek, in Periscope, a short piece titled
"Wheeler Dealers":
"Los Angeles has the toughest gangs, but Miami may have the saddest. The
Singer Plaza housing project, located near three hospitals, was designed
to house elderly and disabled poor people. But a few months ago, residents
began complaining that drug dealers were terrorizing them. Then, during an
undercover sting, the cops chased down the suspects: a gang of gun-toting
handicapped residents who were allegedly part of a larger drug-dealing
operation. 'The Wheelchair Posse' included a quadriplegic AIDS patient and
a 70-year old with muscular dystrophy. The hoodlums recieved light
sentences--two days in jail--but not the city wants to evict them."

Of note here (not that it's shocking), is how the article never specifies
what drugs were involved--another example of how all drugs are equal in
the eyes of most people. Nor does it mention what they used the drugs for;
given the circumstances, I wouldn't be suprised if it were to relieve pain.
(Hell, even if it was for FUN, god forbid, we're talking about a guy who
not only has no arms or legs, but has AIDS. There's not a whole lot of
opportunity for recreation under those circumstances). In addition, the
"terrorizing" bit sounds dubious. If anyone from around there has any more
information on this, I'd be interested to see what really happened.

I also like the comment that I don't think I've ever NOT seen accompany a
bust: "...allegedly part of a larger drug-dealing operation".

On a much brighter note, the CBS show 60 Minutes last Sunday night did an
excellent story on forfeiture, though this was probably because they relied
heavily (almost exclusively) on the information in the Pittsburg Press
series. So yes, everyone's favorite heroes finally got some national prime-
time TV news coverage.

-Peter

pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: Question about LSD (Microdot)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:25:30 GMT

Boy, try and make a joke around here...

I was the original poster, dammit.  And, dmm@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu clear
things up.  See the semicolon?

In article <1992Aug31.195042.3169@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>dmm@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (donald) writes:
>: : >>very much, and heat, light, finger oil, etc. etc.  tend to turn it into
>: : >>strychnine! ;
                   ^<<<---the semicolon

That semicolon represented the eye of the sarcastic smiley.
For the humor impaired, this is the sarcastic smiley:

;-)

See how it's winking at you?

There.  That wasn't so bad, now was it.

>Why? Some people get tired of the same old myths and legends being posted
>as fact.

What about jokes?  Can we make jokes?  Please?

later,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nature trips??
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:13:22 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep3.203705.16594@proxxi.se> cato@proxxi.se (Christopher Cato) writes:
>Can <anyone> tell me about different nature drugs, like guarana e.t.c ??

Guarana has caffeine in it.  I'd stick to coffee--it's cheaper.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Subject: Re: Help Me Out Please
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:18:28 GMT

cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin) writes:

>bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes:


>yes.  the catholic church, and some other christian churches, use the highly
>addictive and damaging drug ALCOHOL in a ritual called communion in which it
>is believed the drug is transformed into the blood of Christ, the son of God.

In addition there is the Native American Church (being a German me not know
much about it), which sometimes gets away with using peyote.
Also, there's some Christian fundamentalists, who have in a curious way 
absorbed some of the culture of the Indians they were trying to convert :-)

This resulted in the Pope (I believe it was the one before John Paul I., I 
think it was Leo XXIII.) officially endorsing the smoking of shrooms.
Really, it's true. Best story I've heard in this context, btw you can read
all about in a book called something like "The bible and the pipe" by some
Swedish guy. If you really harass me, I'll look it up, our university
library has the book.


     Ulrich Mayring

       - Echte Froehlichkeit kommt aus dem Herzen -
From: u912084@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Christopher James Doolan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: THC - Contibuters needed for Aus Mag
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:45:12 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Here at the University of Tasmania we a forming to a group to reform the
outdated legislation for drugs in our state. THC (The Hemp Club) is going to
be producing a newsletter. We are requesting that anybody with any 
intersting information about drugs and their uses (legal or not) could
supply us with some articles. The closing date for the current newsletter 
is Wednsday 2nd September. 

Thanks in advance,
 
                    |\ /|
                    |o o|  Chris Doolan (Email: u912084@postoffice.utas.edu.au)
                     =+=
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 08:36:58 -0400 
From: Mark Joey Chan <mc4o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ecstacy and Raves

Just curious to know if anyone out there has done Ecstacy in an
environment other than a rave party.  I have done it many times but only
at raves, and was wondering how it feels or if it lasts longer than at a
rave. 

Also does anyone have any interesting articles that I can read regarding
the drug from alt.drugs or another source?  Has  FAQ list been compiled?
 If so, and if youhave a copy please send it to me, I'd me much
appreciative.

thanks mark
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ on civil liberties
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:15:16 -0500

henrya@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.234829.25589@news.cs.indiana.edu>, hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:
>> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>> 
>>>Clinton is gang interviewed in this month's _Rolling Stone_. Here is
>>>an excerpt from that interview.
>> 
>>>=============
>> 
>>>If you want less police brutality, you should have more police on the
>>>street, walking the streets, doing community policing.  New York City
>>>went to community policing and has just reported its first crime drop
>>>in thirty-six years.
>> 
>> Uh-oh.  There goes my fascism detector.  I'm starting to hear a full
>> brass band playing the Horst Wessel song.  I can't remember the song
>> at all -- I seem to have a mental block -- unless something happens
>> to trigger the memory.  Something external like watching a PDFA
>> commercial, seeing a promo for COPS, or watching the State Police's
>> MJ search copter take off from its helipad (as I did today).  Just
>> what we need, more police.  "Die Fahne hoch ..."
>> 
>> -- 
>> paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
>> 
>> "I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
>>                        --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt

>I think you missed the point completely.  Clinton wasn't arguing for more 
>police in that quote, he was advocated a redistribution of existing 
>police.  Instead of having all policemen in cars, he wants some on foot 
>patrols.  By walking around, the neighborhood becomes accustomed to 
>individual officers.  The next step in his logic is that the current 
>bunker mentality of many police departments would decrease.  

Another point I should have made in my previous response was that
when Clinton says "more police" he literally means just that.  Clinton's
plan for fighting the drug war -- posted to the net -- includes
100,000 more police.  This information coupled with the quote removes
any possible ambiguity.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:09:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated

In article <BtMCJG.BIw@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.161743.12829@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>>>As Freewheeling Franklin sez, "Drinking beer and
>>>smoking dope at the same time is like pissing into the wind."
>>
>>Two urban legends in one?
>>I don't know where you got your information, but it is not correct.
>
>The mind boggles at the thought of someone thinking of a Freak Brothers
>comic strip as a source of information.  The drugs don't cancel themselves

boggle mode on:

"Dope will get you through times of no-money better than money will get
you through times of no Dope."
				--FF

boggle mode off:

well, personally speaking, its one or the other.  I don't drink when I
toke, and I don't toke when I drink.  

reasoning: when tokin, the alcohol seems more powerfull, the hangover 
is worse, and none of the "beneficial" effects of booze really 
work (lowered inhibitions, relaxation).  Basically, you get the 
hang-over without the high. 

when drikin, a toke or two will totally blow my self-regulation
mechanism, and over-consumtion (totally pissed, shouting at my shoes) is
very much more likely.

Basically, I can tell how many spliffs/beirs will do the trick, IFF I
stay with just the one kind of drug.  Any mixin, and its definitively a
largish collection of bogons.

--gaspo.

note change of Follow-Up and Newsgroups.


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From: guy.smiley@sesame.st.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Speed and alcohol long term use effects question.
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:56:36 GMT

Hi,

   A couple of unrelated questions.

   First off, I know nothing about amphetamine(s??), but my trusty
   Cambridge Encyclopaedia ( a one volume book, but the only reference
   book I possess ) states that continued use of amphetamine can lead
   to formication ( sensation of insects crawling on the skin, not a
   typo. ), paranoia and depression. I have also read that withdrawal
   from long term heavy usage can also lead to these symptoms.  What
   I'm wondering, is what ( if known ) are the physiological reasons
   for these symptoms ( especially the depression ), and why do both a
   depressant and a stimulant cause these effects in the long run?


   Since I don't know anything about speed, would anybody mind filling
   me in on it's structure, effects etc. Also, in Tom Wolfe's book 'The
   Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test' ( haven't got the book handy, and my
   memory isn't the best, so I might have got the title wrong, but you
   know the one, so no flames please, if I'm incorrect ), he states
   that the Merry Pranksters found that a combination of speed and
   grass could produce an acid type experience. Has anybody else found
   this to be the case?


   Finally, I have often seen references to Medline in this group. Is
   this service available to anyone on Internet ? If so, how can it be
   accessed ?


		Thanks, The alt.drugs information leech.

   P.S. I have heard that there can be large quantities of strychnine
   in rat poison. I personally don't believe it, but I have heard from
   a friend that his rat got stomach cramps and died after eating it ?
   Is this possible ?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: usenet@nic.umass.edu (USENET News System)
Subject: drug tests
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  WoD sucks
Fromm: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:32:00 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ae740@yfn.ysu.edu (Matthew Coda)
Subject: Request for bong design......
Reply-To: ae740@yfn.ysu.edu (Matthew Coda)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:58:14 GMT


I'm looking for a working design for a slave-master water pipe.  I used to 
have one but seem to have lost it somewhere  :^(    So if anyone has one or
knows how to make one please post here or e-mail me.  

Thanks...

 
-- 
Virtual Matt, in his virtual office, doing virtually........

Matt Coda ae740@yfn.ysu.edu
U-grad, Materials Engineering, Drexel University
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.activism.d
From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN)
Subject: Re: drug tests
Summary:  Reposted due to a fucked-up newsreader.  Sorry.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  WoD sucks
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:55:00 GMT

In article <30AUG199200323459@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, usenet@nic.umass.edu (USENET News System) writes...
>This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
	Yes, no doubt about that.  Anyway, in my original post, I was trying to
ask you, O esteemed posters to alt.drugs, if there is any way to get around a
potential employer's drug test, short of suing them to the Supreme Court 
(Like that might help, given Bush's seeding of that Court).  I am a recent 
grad of UMass and would like to know your opinions on said topic.  Thanks 
gobs.
						dylyn

" `We are not mentally unsound, Kluster-Chairman.  We will not cause you
any trouble.  We only want a quite place to finish working while God
eats our brains' " 		---Bruce Sterling, "Twenty Evocations"
 dylyn (aka, d prosser) == S7356911@UCSVAX.UCS.umass.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: hallucinogenic/pseudo-spiritual drugs
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.074307.1230@pellns.alleg.edu> kougham@pell4l11.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan) writes:
>I have found that if one sits around long enough in one area, and really  
>just examines one's mind, one's surroundings and possibly one's own brain  
>and body slip into an altered state of mind quite similar to  
>LSD/mushrooms.  The more this is done, the quicker one can slip into these  
>states and they have no limits.  This is not a campaign for the war  
>against drugs or any bullshit of that sort, just an observation.  Anyone  
>else ever do this?
>

sure. that's what meditation/yoga is all about. the problem is
that you need to be totally honest with yourself in order to recognize
what needs to go from your "world view". the term i see in Buddhism
is "pliable", that you can free your mind from excessive entaglements
with the world and your mind becomes "pliable" (i like that :).
what i notice is that you become light/happy/serene, on the edge
of laughing but not laughing "at" anything.
of course, i might just be inducing flashbacks :)

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Organization: Headland Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:14:18 GMT

in an article Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com> writes:
>The landlord doesn't have any protection. Why should the city council
>care? They're out of the loop.

    The city council isn't completly out of the loop.  If landlords have
no protection they will eventually leave and no longer collect rent or
pay taxes ( both property and other ).  Unless the city council has a
different source of income they are still "in the loop". :).

    -Rich-

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: wolfgang@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert F Dougherty)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: RE: MJ legalization in SF
Date: 26 Aug 1992 04:28:13 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


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Subject: Microwave sterilization???
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Keywords: 

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Subject: sterilization with a microwave...
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Medical MJ in CA?
Summary:SF has tentatively approve MJ for med purposes 
Expires: 
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Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Keywordsmarijuana legal in SF, CA?

In article <1992Aug25.215755.7022@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rwilson@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Randy Wilson) writes:
>I recently heard a snippet on NPR, which unfortunately I wasn't
>listening to carefully at the start, and then was so surprised that I
>missed most of the rest of it.  I thought I heard something like:
>
>	The Santa Cruz board of supervisors has voted unanimously to
>	legalize marijuana for medical use.  They have declared that
>	residents will not be arrested for marijuana possession if
>	they have a written prescription from their doctor for an
>	existing medical condition.  The new law only applies to San
>	Francisco residents.
>
>Obviously I mis-heard either the "Santa Cruz" or the "San Francisco"
>part of the message, but can anyone fill me in on the rest?  Which
>city was it, and how much can they actually do, given that most of the
>laws are state and federal?  Can they legally keep city police
>officers from enforcing particular state laws that they disagree with?
>
>Randy
>
It was San Francisco, but I believe the law is not in effect yet.  The
city council approved "a compassionate use of marijuana" (ie. if you're
dying and in pain).  I'm not sure when this will take effect.  Santa Cruz
has considered this idea too.  I'm not sure of our position yet, but I'd 
vote for it! 

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: xzs0302@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (T.A. Gyorgak)
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 22:07:38 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

Question on this:  If a landlord evicts a homosexual/ethnic/(group of choice)
could (s)he be charge with housing/renting discrimination under Indiana equal   
housing laws?  After all the evictees have not been charged much less convicted
with anything, they could easily bring a civil rights suit.  Where is the
landlords protection?.Question on this:  If a landlord evicts a homosexual/ethnic/(group of choice)
could (s)he be charge with housing/renting discrimination under Indiana equal   
housing laws?  After all the evictees have not been charged much less convicted
with anything, they could easily bring a civil rights suit.  Where is the
landlords protection?.  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs