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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:01:03 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Call for Nominations

In article <1992Nov11.001103.18391@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
says:
>
>We need to nominate a President and Vice President....

I nominate Aki Damme for president and Bob Ashley for vice president.

>and then vote...

I'm not voting on this until the nominations are closed.

However, I will vote in favor of the $15 prize fund option.  I do this not
because of any difference between $15 and $20, but because I don't think we
need to do anything for the third place team.  (Yes, now I'm destined to be
on the third place team!)

I'd also like to make a couple suggestions for formation of teams.  First,
I would like to discourage the idea of couples staying on the same team.
Since we're not actually gathering at the lanes, this idea seems a bit
arbitrary to me (of course, I'm single.  What do I know?)  Besides, with
couples on different teams they get a nice chance for some friendly
competition.  Second, (and maybe this is too involved) to do the random
team formation it might be nice for one person to randomly assign numbers
to people and a different person to randomly assign four numbers per team,
then match the people numbers with the team numbers and were set.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: it almost makes my eyes water...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:29:59 GMT

In article 14050@worldbank.org,  aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>			[ ... article omitted to save bandwidth ... ]
>
>ok, nuff of that..
>The ONLY regret that I have is, that I didn't buy one of those
>damn BURGUNDY HAMMERS! ;-)
>
>
>
>-Aki

Yeah, well, you still did us in last night ... wait, we did improve ...
two weeks ago, you took all eight points ... at least this time, we got
three ...


Bob - we'll get you in March, if not sooner  :-)

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00
From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Well...here's my final tally on the ProHook Extreme..
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:11:23 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1992Nov4.152930.11071@europa.asd.contel.com>, king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
> 
> 
> 	While for him it may be good, I am beginning to think that maybe
> the bowling talent need not be as good to score high.  I use to pride
> myself on working hard to score well but now it is becoming a shoot out.
> Though I am sure many of us wish for other days when talent meant
> something, the balls today are just taking the skill out of the game.  I
> know some will consider this whining it is not.
> I just don't want to see the game become very equipment dependent
> and not person dependent.  

somehow i remember opinions like this rampant about '82 or so when
AMF *stunned* the bowling world with this new cover material called
(gasp) urethane...  The same thing probably happened in the early
sixties when brunswick introduced the evil orb of plastic.

> Most don't consider bowling anything more
> than a hobby non-sport and with today's new equipment even those bowl
> once a week guys can average with the best.  :-(  This makes bowling
> look like more of a joke.  

i love these amateurs with pro's equipment...  they are fun pickin's
at pot games.  i would match aki damme or even steve harter against
any local with big balls (just a pun  8-).  fortunately the pba does
make attractive equipment offers to members to keep the scales
balanced.

in '87 i shot a 298 with a purple angle, a 298 with a white dot,
and an 819 set with a black knight.  four others on my pair for
the 819 were throwing the latest in "killer" bowling balls, red
hammers, and (shudder) blue angles.  they snickered when after two
practice shots i buried my pearl hammer in the bag.  

i had found that the normal "stand left throw right" house shot was 
a bit burned in the heads, and knew with all that porous urethane, 
it would soon be completely gone.  i pulled out my track axis black
knight (glorified white dot).  it was basically 0 weighted, 1/4
finger, no side, no top.  i found enough head oil on 5-7 to get the ball
down through the heads where it could ride the carry down "funnel"
to the pocket.  the more the other wannabe's burned out their shot,
the more they built up mine.

i shot a (4 pin in the 4th) 279, (9 pin in the 8th) 279, and a (first 
nine, early thumb bucket, so pissed i didn't really shoot at it) 261.  

> Larry King
> E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com

cheers.
bill.
-- 

Bill Walker  -  Network Analyst  -  Network Management Inc.
bill@nmi.com                        11242 Waples Mill Rd
wrwalke@ddn-wms.ddn.mil             Fairfax, VA  22030
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Subject: Garbage
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 22:23:02 GMT
Reply-To: cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I don't know where that garbage came from.	Sorry.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: FBL is now 60
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:17:39 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

Did I miss something?  Who is the VP Elect?
Walter
-------------------------|------------------------|---------------------------

I'm one of them, & I forget who else is...I think Dave meant candidate. :-)
But, we haven't voted *yet*. (I'm not here Fri - Sun, so I hope it's not
then?  But even if it is...I'll go along with everyone else.)
R U O K with that?   Pam
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: FBL - Roving Sub List
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:03:52 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

The Roving Sub List has  changed.  Rich Krause would like to be a sub.
So Bob Clayton is now a member of Team #8 and Rich is a Roving Sub.


Richard Krause                        rich@balr.balr.com


Before a sub is used the League Secretary must be notified.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: All kind of stuff
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72027B0E42C2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:46:24 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:48:02 GMT

In article <92311.101209MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller,
MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In all my 25 years of bowling, I've always carried only one ball.  Right
>now, its a nice plastic Columbia yollow dot Legend.  I used to average
>mid 190's for a while.  Now I'm almost back to breaking 180.
>
>Last night's set: 200, 176, 183.  On a 173 average (Monday's average was
178
>before this week,) I was giving 7 pins per game and only won the first
one.
>
>I hate when that happens.

Carrying only one ball sure is easier than lugging around half a pro
shot that's for sure.  a buck 73 is nothing to sneeze at either...

I also have bowled for around 25 years, I can't remember ever
only using one ball though...but I remember one time (I'm so
ashamed), I only had 7 bowling balls...

I never told anyone until now....but I've alot more confidence,
and don't care who knows...besides ,it was a long time ago...

;-)
-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: pmbaker@iastate.edu (Peggy M Baker)
Subject: FBL
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:43:15 GMT

I've never posted anything before so I'm not sure if this will get anywhere,
but if it does I'd just like to say that I think your FBL is a neat idea and
I'd love to join but since I don't know what I'm doing yet I won't.

I have been reading these for several months and some are very interesting
however you all seem to be from around the same area - am I correct in
assuming this? I'm just an avg. bowler out here in good 'ole Iowa. I bowl
every day, but only 3 times are leagues. I haven't seen too many comments
about the U2s (that's what I use - and love it) and was wondering if you had
any.

Thanks - gotta run to class.

I'll be looking forward to seeing if this made it and to hearing what you
have to say. I can also me reached through e-mail (pmbaker@iastate.edu).

Peg
-- 

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: awoods@mitre.org (Ann Woods)
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame!!!!!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:25:00 GMT

Here is my entry in the a.s.b Hall of Shame.  This also goes against Aki's 
second game = worst game idea....  Check out my scores from last Sunday's 
league.  Talk about inconsistent!  

117  -  174  -  98

 My average is 128 (I've only bowled league for 4 weeks so far).

Earlier that day I bowled a 206!


************************************
Ann J. Woods
The MITRE Corporation
E-mail:  awoods@mitre.org
************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Ok everyone I LIED...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:58:58 GMT

In article 26680@worldbank.org,  aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>
>
>I have to get this out of my conscience...
>
>I just can't live with myself until I get this out in the open..
>
>I LIED...yes, and I don't feel good about, and am ashamed.
>
>I am NOT a pro bowler...
>
>I have never been a pro and probably not ever have an
>average high enough to be one.
>
>I only bowl in one league in Dranesville and I average
>125...  but I've worked that up from my 115 average
>last year...
>
>Ok, there I feel better now.  Now, can I join the fantasy
>bowling league with no entering average?
>
>Trust me...I'm telling the truth! ;-)..
>
>AW COME ON PEOPLE!  You gotta trust me! (heh heh)...
>
>
>-Aki

[ ... uncontrollable laughter as colleagues wonder just what it is I am
      reading on this monitor ... ]

Hey, Aki, I have some beach front property in Arizona I'd just love to
sell you ...   :-)


Bob - btw, we're bowling all second games tonight  :-)

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: FBL Team Roosters!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:10:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I just mailed this out to everyone but I figured I would post it here
also!


Team #1 :
Dave Drab
Bob Ashley
Larry King
Paul Palmer
Gil Blair

Team #2
Guy Simpson
Dave Rhoda
Todd Grimes
Bruce L
Don Winske

Team #3
Rob Hayles
Mike Haffley
Anton Pintar
Mike Karin
Walter Perz

Team #4
Michael Ward
Alan Peterman
Jeff Wilk
Carl Chesbrough
Tammy Chesbrough

Team #5
Dave Kennerud
Steve Gabrilowitz
Nick Stratigos
Mark Hunt
Anne Woods

Team #6
Keith Becker
Bill Bulko
Garth Longdon
Patrick McCabe
Mark Miller

Team #7
Martin Greenberg
Mike Sullivan
Aki Damme
Brenda Hammond
Barbara Newell

Team #8
Doug Rosencrans
Dave Dalke
Mike Ball
Richard Krause
Mike Thompson

Team #9
Tony DeBari
Andy Cookingham
Keith Voss
Jeff Hammond
Mark Dunster

Team #10
James Brownell
Dave Fleck
Mark Jessick
Pamela Fitts
Mike Gross

Team #11
Brian Schroeder
Lynn Damme
Dana Boisvert
Pat Gleason
Tim Burgess

Team #12
Joel Horn
Eric Freese
Brenda Gabrilowitz
Michael Lau
Beth Blair
From: MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Entering averages for the FBL
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:37:18 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov12.174735.29266@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
says:
>
>average will be recorded by # of FBL bowled  games.  That way everyone
>is even on # of  games.  This will  most  likely  mean  that  ones ABC
>average and FBL average  will be  different,  but I will keep track of
>everyones total pin counts if there is a descrepency and need to check
>with the ABC.
>
>If any has any questions let me know... hopefully this makes sense.

I understand how the FBL average will most likely become different than
the ABC average.  I'm a little confused about checking total pin counts.
If the averages are different then the total pin counts will be different
also.  Certainly these differences could be reconciled, but that could be
fairly tedious for our FBL secretary.

I think we all just need to realize that there will be differences and
the only real "threat" about checking with the ABC might be to verify a
particular days set of games.  Seriously, though, we're all on the honor
system and no one has much to gain by cheating.  I just don't see that we
need to worry about it anymore.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Prohook and Prohook Extreme available from Barry
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71FEED294262631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:43:46 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:45:28 GMT



I got alot of e-mail asking about the Prohook and Prohook Extreme
so instead of answering each one separately here it is...besides there
might be other people who might be interested also...


Barry just called me and said that Columbia has just released the
Prohook and Prohook Extreme balls.  They are shipping them out
today to his distributor.  He doesn't know what weights they
are in but if I remember correctly they range from 14-16lbs.
He said that the cost to r.s.b will be $87.50 with the customary
shipping and handling charges tagged on the end.  Not a bad
price...suggested retail is $130 (although I've heard that some
proshops are going to try and get away with $140).  Give him
a call and reserve your ball if you want one.  His number is
(703) 709-0019.  Please, due to the volume of e-mail I get,
I would appreciate calling him directly to save me
from califlower ear....

So there ya go...you'll need all the help you can get for the
FBL!!!!!

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: FBL stuffola...
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 13:49:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.164313.18904@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave
Fleck) writes:
|>
|>Ok.. well it looks like people are going to be interested!  (Gee.. thanks 
|>for nominating me Bob!)
|>
|>So far we have:
|>
|>Me
|>Aki
|>Bob Ashley
|>Mark Miller
|>Pamela Fitts
|>Jeff Hammond
|>Jeff's Wife (Jeff what is her name?)
|>
|>Other peoples??  Please respond here or email (fleck@cs.itc.hp.com)
|>
|>Some ideas:
|>
|>Teams size will be decided by # of bowlers.
|>
|>Which  game to use?  I too bowl 3 times a week in  league  and  what I
|>suggest  is that  everyone  pick one  league  and that will be the one
|>used.  I will keep a list of the league everyone uses.
|>
|>Handicap league, 80% of 200 90% of 210 ??
|>
|>No entering averages (except for Aki)
|>
|>Dave
                             
	Boy am I glad my wife doesn't read this group, her name
is Brenda. 
	One slightly embarresed husband.
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From: mike@flame.et.iupui.edu (P. Michael Haffley)
Subject: Balls versus lane conditions
Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis, Indiana.
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:08:49

I have been bowling must of my life, but have only recently managed to average
consistently on the 170's. I have both a black U-dot and and a pink hammer.
The black U-dot is drilled straing up and the pink hammer is drilled with
side weight. I am a right handed bowler. Besides the obvious
difference in the line because of the way the balls are drilled, I have
found very little difference in the spotting bettween the two, balls and
end up using the ping hammer most of the time because I can consistently
get good left on it versus the black U-dot. Now the black U-dot is suppose
to hook more than the pink hammer. I am a inside-out bowler on most lane
conditions.

Now my questions is in how do I determine which ball to use on the verious
lane conditions? What ball should I get to help on the exterme oily conditions
and when there is a lot of carry down. How do you get through all of the
hype of bowl reactions. Right now consistency is my biggest problem, but
when I am on, I take way too long trying to figure out the best shot for a
particular lane conditions. It would be nice if someone could post suggested
ways of attacking and reading various lane conditions. Maybe include the
best way for a down and in, inside-out, straight bowler, etc...

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


--
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(ames,rutgers,pur-ee,att)!cnc.iupui.edu!mike 	|   at Indianapolis
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Usenet and $$$
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7240A88C2342631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:31:04 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.163934.22957@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>I also  plan on  having  the money  sent to  either me or Barry 3 or 4
>weeks prior to the end of the league.


Besides, it's only $10 or $20 either way...less than what most
of us will spend on drinks/food etc on a league night.

How about THIS instead?  We all "chip in" say...oh...$500,000.  At the
end of the season we use the money to buy a chain of bowling
alleys all over the world.  That way we can have free drinks at the
bar anytime we want!  Good idea huh?  I gotta a million of 'em...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: FBL stuffola...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:23:01 GMT

In article 102405MAX@psuvm.psu.edu,  Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.173140.31190@europa.asd.contel.com>,
>ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) says:
>>
>>Motion for 80% of 200 ...
>
>I'll second that.  Better bowlers don't deserve to have skill completely
>'handicapped' away.  Right, Mr. I-average-115-Aki?
>
>As for selection of which league to use, I have two suggestions:
>First, we could do it like tournament play.  Pick a date and whatever
>league has your highest average that's the league you'll stay with.

That sounds appropriate ... 

>Or, in the interest of timely reporting, just pick whichever league
>plays earliest in the week.  Everyone bowls at least once by Wednesday,
>don't they?  ;-)

Nahhh ... I'm not sure I want to use my Centreville series(s) for this
one.


Bob - besides, it's my lowest  :-)

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: New Draft - FBL Rules
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:08:46 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


The Fantasy Bowling League shall consist of X bowlers per team.

Each bowler will submit a score from a league or open  bowling  match.

Each bowler will notify the League  Secretary  of which  league  night
they will be using for scores if the bowler is in multiple leagues.

This will be a handicapped league using 80% of 200.

There will be no entering averages.

All scores must be submitted  to the league  secretary  by Sunday 9:00
MST.

All bowlers  must notify the League  Secretary,  by email, 24 hours in
advance of using a different  league's  scores and it must be prior to
the new leagues  start.  You may not use scores from a league that has
already been bowled.  If these  criteria  are not met the weeks scores
will be considered a forfeit.

If the bowler cannot bowl any scheduled  leagues  during a week he may
use a blind score, which will be average minus 10 pins plus  handicap.

The  prize  fund  will  consist  of a new ball for each  member of the
winning  team.  Each team will have a $XX entry fee to cover the prize
fund.

Subs will not be used in this league.

The League Secretary will get what is decided by the Net.