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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: QL: "Deliver Us..."  (spoilers)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:58:30 GMT

In article <Nov.10.23.03.33.1992.17434@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>First impressions of "Deliver Us From Evil"
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>Okay, well, gee.  I don't really know quite what to think of it yet.  Maybe
>after I see it two or three more times.  I think it raised a whole lot more
>questions than it answered (of course, that was probably the point).  Like
>where did Alia *really* come from?  If she and Zoey are really agents of the
>Devil, then why do they need their own version of Ziggy?

I dont think they were agents of the devil any more than Sam and Al are
agents of God.

>I've always been content to believe that
>Sam was just there to fix things when people have turned left in their lives
>when they should've gone right. 

I agree 1000% I also think that there Alia may be there to fix things when
people turnes right and should have gone left!  Sometimes bad things have
to happen for something truely good to happen.  What is it that V.F. said,
suffering is a chance for greatness.

>And if Alia and Zoey are to be exact opposites of Sam
>and Al, then it would stand to reason that their project came from a similar
>source.

That, Is Exactly My Theory.  One of two things happened, A - Sam's presence
in time created a dual of himself, Al and the entire project thru some
previous action, much like in the Episode where Al had a 100% chance 
of being courtmarshalled and the other observer (whos name escapes
me right now) took his place. Or B - And much more evil is that
the governement funded another experiment based on project quantum leap,
except this time, the purpose for the project is not research but
purely military applications! Maybe every life Zoey and Alia destroy
is for a reason -- maybe even a good reason - much like how Kirk
had to let Edith die in City on the Edge of Forever.

Maybe its a sort of LaFemme Nikita sort of deal, if Alia completes
all of her mission Zoey will let her go.  The exact opposite of 
Sam and Al, working together to find the leap home.

Its a world of possibilies. 


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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: Batman Animated Series
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:51:57 GMT

In <01GR3VTI44KS9JEZA9@VAX1.UMKC.EDU> CDOMS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU writes:

>I have been enjoying the animated Batman series.  I have been impressed
>with their animatation (for a tv show) as well as direction and the 
>quality of actors they have used for the voices.

Me too, they have managed to get a lot of good actors to participate in
this series.

>Did anyone, catch "Return of the Gray Ghost"?  I recognized the Ghost's
>voice right away as _Adam West_.  That bit of casting was quite cleaver.
>West portraying an aged actor, who could not get work, because he was
>typecasted as a tv action adventure character.  Nicely done.

>I also enjoyed the episode where Poison Ivy, Joker, Penquin, Two Face
>and Crock, where relating their stories on how they "Almost Got" Batman.

Yeah, this is my personal favorite thus far.

>I actually find alot of the scripts and story lines better than most
>live action dramas I have seen on tv lately.  So what are some of
>other folks favorite episodes so far?

At first I hated the Joker episodes, but I've come to love his lines. If
you REALLY want to talk to people about Batman, I suggest you try
rec.arts.animation, we discuss BTAS heavily.
>Carol Doms
>University of Missouri-Kansas City 
>cdoms@umkcvax1
>cdoms@vax1.umkc.edu

Alan Bick

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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Trek TNG's Dyson Sphere
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:32:42 GMT

In article <9211051441.A13841@mail.lib.duke.edu>, rkk@MAIL.LIB.DUKE.EDU (Randy Kloko) writes:
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>          2. If Troi can empathically detect deception and Geordi can
>          tell with his visor when a human is lying, how can Ryker
>          consistently beat them at Poker?
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Fine question, but I think I have an answer. Lie detectors, at least the
ones that we've got currently, don't really detect lies. They detect
guilt feelings. Poker is a game in which you are supposed to "lie" as
needed, so Riker feels no guilt. (To wit, his poker face goes clear
down to the bone, so Geordi can't detect it.) Troi either works on
the same principal, since she doesn't read the knowlege that Riker
is bluffing, or she can "shield" her empathic sense as the Vulcans do,
and is too honorable to cheat at poker. (Besides, would you WANT Worf
suspecting you of cheating?)

(Incidentally, if you are somewhere where they've syndicated old
"Barney Miller" reruns, there is a marvelous episode where the cops
are all asked to take lie detector tests. No spoilers here, just
WATCH IT!!!!)
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: BLAKE'S 7: "Blake" transcript (long)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:43:56 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

re@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Roderick Easton) writes:
> I was under the impression that we heard Servalon say something before the credits
> started.  My idea of the episode end was
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> SERVALON:So we meet again ( or words to that effect)
> Avon laughs maniacally, everything blacks out then we hear a single shot followed by
> a fussilade.  Cut in theme music.
> Dee da da, da da Dee da da.
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> Was I mistaken?  I definitely remember that we did not see her and having a
> discussion about why we just heard her voice and didn't see her.  The reason I was
> told was that her contract probavly had something in it about a number of appearances
> and this final one would exceed it ( This was NOT from a reliable source so don't
> quote me on it ). However I am sure that Servalon was present.
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> Rod

I only ever saw the last episode when it was first broadcast, so my
memory is not 100% clear, however I believe that Servelan was not
present at the 'end'. I've always found it strange that after building
up the Avon/Servelan relationship over a number of series, that there
was no final meeting/showdown between the two.

I got the impression at the time, that the BBC were leaving their
options open and would have produced a further series if demand had
been high enough i.e. if enough of a fuss had been raised at the
abrupt ending of the series. Obviously, there was not enough of a fuss
to convince the BBC to produce another and so B7 ended as we saw.

IMO B7 was the best Sci-Fi show ever produced. Dr. Who may have had
more variety and covered (obviously) far more ground, but for
characterization, B7 left all the others standing. Okay, I admit that
not all the characters were drawn as well as Avon and Servelan, but
these two made the show for me - particularly Avon (so many
condradictory facets to his character). 

I've read Afterlife and that, sort of, provided an 'ending' to the
series, but I still feel cheated by the Beeb of a 'proper' ending to
one of the best series they ever produced.

Dave
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Subject: Highlander episode order question
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
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MN>Does anyone know if there is supposed to be some sort of "official"
MN>ordering of the episodes in Highlader: The Series?
MN>
MN>The reason I ask is that people on the net keep refering to "this
MN>week's episode", and the episode they refer to is one I saw a couple
MN>weeks ago or haven't even seen yet.

We get them a week late here (for instance, the 11/2 ep. below was shown
last night, 11/8, here), but the following is a list I ran across.
Dates are the week after the uplink on the sat.


    Here comes a preview of upcoming episodes courtesy of my contacts at
Rysher  Entertainment.

    The dates below are the week the episode will air.

    Oct. 12: "The Road Not Taken." A deadly drug leads Duncan to an
Immortal who  has turned to evil and is out to dominate Earth through
this narcotic. Dustin Nguyen  (21 Jump Street) guests.

    Oct. 19: "Bad Day in Building A." Duncan, Tessa and Richie are being
held hostage in a court room by a band of men who want their leader
freed. When their  demands are not met, the men decide to execute a
prisoner...

    Oct. 26: "Free Fall." Rock singer Joan Jett guest stars in this
episode about a  woman who tries to commits suicide, only to learn she
is an Immortal. She then seeks  out Duncan and becomes involved with
Richie, only to use him in a trap set for  Duncan to gain his
Quickening.

    Nov. 2: "Never Say Die." After treating Duncan, who undergoes a
remarkable recovery after being struck in an auto-accident, a doctor
discovers Duncan has  unique healing powers. He kidnaps Duncan and holds
him hostage to learn the secret  of regeneration.

    Nov. 9: "Mountain Men." Tessa is kidnapped by a band of survivalists
and taken to  their home in the Pacific Northwest. Duncan follows and is
forced to fight the leader of  the group for Tessa's freedom.

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: the EL came, the EL went, and now I'm confused
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:59:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Oooops.  I mean Spoilers ho....
I hope that worked, but some how I doubt it.









bugger all.  blank lines arg!......













Okay.  I ahve tried to pos this three times now, but my modem kept hanging
up on me.  Don't tell me this episode is going to affect electronic
equipment and interpersonal relationships the way that other one did.

You know, .....  The halloween one.  Which I may just call the Scottish Play
for safe keeping, if even a slight mention does THIS to my computer.


Okay, I think I understand what happened.

Zoey and Lothos (the computer?) are evil daemons from hell.
Alia just wants to go home so badly she'll kill if that's her only way.
All this elaping is a joint project from Heaven and Hell, or, TBEU nad
The Big Entity Downstairs or whatever.  Nice to know they can agree on 
someothing.

So now it seems Sam can't get home unless Alia gets home, at the sam time,
or they're both trapped.  That is, if he's right about the equality
of their positions.

I assume, becasue we saw Alia leap, that she's not dead.

The going back 2 dyas to the beginning was too reminiscent of you know....
The Scottish Play.... for my liking, but I guess that links these two.


"DAughter of SIn"?  Kinda makes everythign sound... cheap doesn't it?

They're not going to show all 3 on one night, are they?

Sally, Beth, Tracy, Terri?  Somebody tell me? I can't AFFORD a tv guide!


I really hope this makes it to the net this time around.....

Keep leapin' friends.
LJC
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From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Sapphire and Steel guide
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:39:19 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, NZ

A guy named Steve Phillips sent me his version of the S&S guide. I sent
him a reply, but I've just received a complaint from him about not hearing
from me ... Sounds like something got lost in the post :-(

If you're reading this, Steve -- sorry, and I've sent some more mail to you;
let me know whether you get it.

BTW, you should post your guide; it's got a lot more information in it
than mine did.


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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: X-Men:  The Animated Series
Date: 10 Nov 1992 03:11:38 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  Well, what does everyone think of the X-Men Series?

  As for my ideas on the series, well it cut no new ground but it not
trash. I like Eeks the cat a little more.
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Deliver Us opinions (SPOILERS)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:10:16 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <92315.221740MRM122@psuvm.psu.edu> <MRM122@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The following contains spoilers from the 11/10/92 episode, so consider
>yourself WARNED!
















>The "melt away" affect was a very nice touch, but then we have a flaw.  After
>that happens, Al sees Alia as Alia and Zoey sees Sam as Sam.  But, the common
>belief around here (not one that I hold, however) is that Al sees Sam as the
>leaper, which this seems to contradict.  who knows.  

	DUFE seemed to destroy that theory pretty thoroughly.  And it was
probably killed just so that Sam, Al, Alia, and Zoe could find each other (to
an extent).

>Sam.  But, despite knowing, when she did was so powerful.  I give Renee
>Coleman two BIG thumbs up for her expression when she scratched her face and
>ripped her slip- evil, cold and nasty.

	True enough.  Even knowing well ahead of time that Alia was NOT a nice
person, that still came as a complete surprise.

>Some of Maresca's Theories: Where did Alia come from?  We hadn't felt ANY
>...
>Also, were they demons or people?  People in my book, at least Alia... maybe
>not Zoey.  Were they in more direct contact with their leaping force?  Hard to
>say.  To many open strings (no pun) with her... but we KNOW she will be back.

	My theory is that they're people.  Also, I got the impression that Zoe
and co. were in control of where Alia leaps (remember, Zoe tells Alia what her
mission is in no uncertain terms, whereas Al almost always gives Sam a
probability [fairly high, but still not certain]).  I got the impression that
Alia is something of a pawn, but a thoroughly well-manipulated one.

>Alia's leap was pretty cool, if painful.  My theories: One, she's from further
>in the future, and therefore can get cooler special FX, or Two: She's evil,
>thus leaping is controled by evil, thus it's painful (and has cooler FX).

	Perhaps this is a side-effect of a controlled leap?

>People will say that Zoey's lines about crawling out of whatever implies they
>were in hell, but she talks about Alia's nightmares.  Alia is not stable (big
>shocker there!) and probably cannot stand being other people... she made a
>whispered comment to that end.

	Maybe the future they come from does not turn out well.  Maybe Alia's
been given some pretty miserable leap-missions to accomplish before ("This
wouldn't be the first time I've killed...").  Also, Leaping is NOT a relaxing
experience.  Sam doesn't seem to get any break between leaps - the stress is
going to add up.  Even if Sam's memory is swiss-cheesed, he has at least some
idea of how the accelerator works, what caused this, etc.  Alia may not.  If
so, she's got every right to be unstable!

				-Jay



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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Trek TNG's Dyson Sphere
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:06:46 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov9.051946.14284@netcom.com> jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul Wells) writes:
>rkk@MAIL.LIB.DUKE.EDU (Randy Kloko) writes:
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>>          1. Is Scotty's Dyson sphere going to be the "abandoned alien
>>          space station" rumored to appear in "Deep Space Nine"?
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>No, the space station in DS9 is an abandoned Cardassian station orbiting
>Bajor. The Dyson Sphere is way too big to be a psace station--remember,
>it's as big as the Earth's revolution around the sun!
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"It's too big to be a space station." - H. Solo


Sorry, just had to interject that.

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From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: BLAKE'S 7: "Blake" transcript (long)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 08:43:43 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au
Keywords: Blake's 7, Chris Boucher

re@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Roderick Easton) writes:
>I was under the impression that we heard Servalon say something before the credits
>started.  My idea of the episode end was

>SERVALON:So we meet again ( or words to that effect)
>Avon laughs maniacally, everything blacks out then we hear a single shot followed by
>a fussilade.  Cut in theme music.
>Dee da da, da da Dee da da.

>Was I mistaken?
You were mistaken!
An understandable mistake, because *so* many people felt she *ought* to have
been there, but, quite definately, she was not.
If you read the fan fiction, most Post-'Blake' stories have Servalan there,
either gloating over her prisoners (if they aren't dead) or gloating over
their bodies (if they are).  And some of them have Avon shooting her.

I'd heard it laughingly said that this was "Chris Boucher's revenge", not
to have her in the last episode.

BTW, thanks Micky & Betsy for the transcript.  So much work!

Kathryn Andersen
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Highlander episode order question
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Bx5GI2.L5p@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> morpheus@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Morpheus Nosferatu) writes:
>Does anyone know if there is supposed to be some sort of "official"
>ordering of the episodes in Highlader: The Series?

>The reason I ask is that people on the net keep refering to "this
>week's episode", and the episode they refer to is one I saw a couple
>weeks ago or haven't even seen yet.

>It sounds like every station out there is playing the episodes in
>different order.  I watch Highlander on two different stations, and

>So, is there supposed to be some sort of ordering for the episodes, or
>not?

Just to confuse things more -- in the Starlog cover story this month on
the series, they talk about the second episode, "Family Tree", in which
Richie decides to track down his parents and flashbacks tell us how
Duncan discovered he was immortal.

Far as I can tell, this episode hasn't been shown *anywhere* yet, and
we're about five episodes in by this point.
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From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: DYSON SPHERES/TNG
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:02:09 GMT

In article <9211102148.AA13974@rutgers.edu> KWEILER@wcu.BITNET (Kristin)  
writes:
> 
>  DYSON SPHERES:  After watching TNG episode with the Dyson Sphere and
>  having (coincidentally) just finished reading a Science Fiction book
>  that dealt with them, some discussions ensued.  I haven't been satisfied
>  yet, tho.  Can anyone tell me if there is a real person DYSON and is
>  there a real theory about DYSON SPHERES or is this totally a fictional
>  thing ?
> 

The "real person" is Freeman Dyson (his daughter, Esther Dyson, is a well-known  
analyst in the computer field), and he has a number of books and papers  
describing various nifty concepts, such as, uh, Dyson spheres. Unfortunately,  
all of my astronomical books are packed at the moment (and I'm at work anyway),  
but if you hit a decent library, you may be able to find some of his books (I'm  
pretty sure _Starships of the Mind_ is one of his).  ..bruce..

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
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Subject: Re: QL: "DUfE": observations
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:12:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxL51F.32B
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


2 spoiler observations about DUFE:



1) anyone else wonder if Lothos is REALLY an AI?  Alia just says he is the
one controlling her leaps.  I got the impression that maybe Lothos was
the cause of this entire mess.

2) I think the 2-day backtrack was the same as in the Holloween episode,
whenever you fail in your mission then the original history reverts so things
cant get any worse/better than they were before...remeber Sam hasnt failed yet
he went back to when Alia first leaped in, more or less.  

I would like to see Alia and Zoey win a round next time...even if its a minor
victory.  

Hmmmm anyone ever wonder exactly where Sam got that time travel theory...
I mean his doesnt work that well, but Lothos seems to have a pretty good take
on it.  Perhaps Lothos-Zoey-Alia arent copies of Sam but rather vice versa.

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From: elissa@nynexst.com (Elissa Gilbert)
Subject: Highlander
Reply-To: elissa@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:50:14 GMT


I've just started watching and I could use some explanations (I never saw the movie).
What exactly is the quickening?  What is the gathering?  If there is supposed to be
only one immortal, why are so many running around?

Thanks for the info!
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