HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss)
Subject: Re: riding clothes choices
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:00:52 GMT

klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
> ben@versant.com (Ben Sloss) writes:
>>  Seems like John touched a raw nerve.  Are you a neon-clad poser, too?
>>-- 
>  Yeah, he hit a raw nerve. I guess cause sport bikes are the best
>handling, quickest (not necessarily fastest) bikes around its reasonable
>to assume that only amatures ride them. Sounds like too many of you have
>been blown off by neon kids and carry a grudge against the bikes.
>                                    
>                                          Jorg

Earth to Jorg, Earth to Jorg, come in please.  You are not making any
sense.  John and I both get a chuckle out of posers (people who
buy bikes to be seen on them, not to ride them) on sportbikes
because both of us have a reasonable idea of what those bikes are
really capable of.  Both John and I have sportbikes; clearly we don't
carry any 'grudge' against the bike.  On the other hand, while I have
been passed by many people, some of whom were on arguably lower-performance
machinery, I have *never* been passed by someone wearing a T-shirt and shorts.
People who have developed the skill necessary to ride their machines quickly
also tend to have developed the judgement to dress accordingly.
  This is not to say that it is foolish to ride in less than full roadrace
leathers.  Riding clothes are a personal choice (in 3 states, anyway :-( )
and each rider must decide for him/herself what their perceived risk is,
and what level of defensive preparations are appropriate.  Chaps and a 
half-helmet (or no helmet) may well be appropriate for a leisurely ride.
I would argue that they are not appropriate for a racetrack session.
Similarly, shorts and a T-shirt might be adequate for someone who was riding
down to the local cruising zone (I don't consider them adequate, but that's
my personal choice and I won't enforce that choice on others), but only
a fool would wear them while dragging pegs in the twisties (IMHO).
Thus the humor over the posers.

-- 
Ben Sloss        ben@versant.com (415) 329-7500 x172
Quote:          "It's all fun and games until someone gets paid."
Transportation: '83 CB650SC (straight roads) '93 CBR 900RR   (twisty roads)
		'91 XR 250L (dirty    roads) '87 Mustang 5.0 (wet    roads)
From: havemann_l@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Where to get old bike parts...
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:31:36 GMT
Organization: Lee Havemann, HSH Associates



I just pulled an old 66 Honda CB450 outa somebodys garage, where it has been
sitting for the past 20 or so years. After making sure that it runs, and 
everything else works (its only got 4000 miles on it :-) - I now need to
replace most of the rubber on it - shock bushings, gaskets (it leaks like a 
harley! :-)  and some other stuff too.  

Anybody know of any mail order places that would sell this stuff? - the nearest 
Honda dealer is many miles from here and not all that cooperative (as well as
expensive)

Also, somebody told me that this is the first year that Honda started importing
bikes to the U.S of A.  Is this true?

Any info would be appreciated.
	Thanx,

-- 

 Lee Havemann, Sys_op    HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
 Havemann_l@spcvxa.spc.edu      -      Havemann_l@spcvxa.bitnet
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."                     
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From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Help with Chain
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:07:07 GMT

Thanks for all the help with the chain guys(not gender specific). 
I'm going to buy
t Chilton's book tomorrow if I can.  As I did not have the
owner's manual or previous rec.misc.fix.grease&grime.doityourself
info, I did not know to check the chain.  I know now.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
-The Red Fishnet
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mgr@sedv1.acd.com ( Martin Rivers)
Subject: Miscellaneous Performance Questions
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:23:25 GMT


This is a list of various questions I have regarding performance
related items.  Any feedback is appreciated.

1.)  What are peoples favorite carbs for performance applications.
I've heard good things about Dell 'Orto (nothing bad so far), good and
bad about S&S, bad/ho hum about the Harley Screaming Eagle.  Mikuni I
see used a bit in bikes featured in various magazines but don't know
anyone around were I live using one.  The performance application
doesn't include any nitro or alchol (at least today).

2.) Several months ago I posted a question about the Rivera 4 valve
heads.  Anyone try them, know of anyone whose tried them and if so,
what are the impressions.  I am about to (gulp) shell out for a set
shortly and am looking for any last minute negatives.  These will be
going on an 88 inch pair of cylinders (from S&S) (no stroking yet).
Rivera is also really pushing the Dell 'Orto carbs, Dyna ignition,
coil and RPM limiter so any comments about these components are also
welcome.

3.) Why can't harleys compete head to head with the Japanese bikes in
the drag circuit.  Engines sure seem large enough and there are
definitely nitro breathing Harely's.  I was at Indianapolis last
weekend at a drag bike event and didn't seem to be a single harley
(except those specators were riding, myself included).  Is the
weight/power ratio tilted in favor of the Japanese bikes?   Do you need
the higher RPM's Japanese bikes put out?  Is it something else?

4). Are there there different types of nitro used for racing.  If so,
what are they.  Are they usually mixed with alcohol.  What is the
nitro really used for (a good source or oxygen some people have told
me, but I'm not convinced).  If this is the case, why not just strap
some O2 canisters to the bike (or maybe people are already doing
this).  Once you get to nitro bikes, are the engines usually injected
or carburated and what the advantages/disadvantages of both kinds.

5.) Are there some good sources of books one might find at the library
regarding high performance engines not requiring Mechanical
Engineering or Chemical Engineering degrees.  Seems like there
is an enormous amount of knowledge out their at least from the four
wheeled engine builders.  Does any of it get written down or is it
just stuck in engine designers and tuners heads?

Enough for now.  Definetely thanks in advance for any responses.
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From: wstef@hubcap.clemson.edu (W. Gregg Stefancik)
Subject: Re: Fork Locks (Re: Dealing with the Dealer)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:24:10 GMT

mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:

>Are the Master locks easy to pick? I think 420 is the model.
>Can you re-key the American locks to do the same thing???...1 key fits
>several locks?

American locks are very easy to rekey for a locksmith.  You should be
able to have several 700 series locks keyed the same for a nominal
charge above the cost of the lock.  Compaired to American 700 series locks
Master locks are toys.  Picking a Master lock takes less than 30 seconds
since pick resistant pins are not used.  American uses pick resistant pins in
all chambers so picking time is increased significantly.  American also
uses a 2 ball locking system which makes the padlock resistant to hammering
the lock open.  Master looses here as well using a single latch.

I wouldn't even bother to lock my bike if all I had was a Master lock.


-- 
W. Gregg Stefancik
wstef@eng.clemson.edu
From: cascella-suzanne@cs.yale.edu (Suzanne Cascella)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Need info on locking Gas Caps
Date: 31 Aug 1992 11:38:06 -0400
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: scorpio.cf.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Aug28.175951.17606@news.columbia.edu>, twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:
|> Hi guys. Guess it's time for my question. As some of you know, I'll be
|> riding my Sportster almost on a daily basis from now on, and in NYC,
|> one issue I need to be concerned with is vandalism (OK, theft is up
|> there also). Does any one know where I can get a locking gas cap for
|> the Sportster. I know it's not a HD sanctioned item, and I've looked
|> through lots of magazines, and catalogs, and haven't run across one
|> yet. Any leads will be useful. Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> Tony Wang
|> 
|> DoD#0122					This sig under construction
|> AMA#450147				
|> 					
|> twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

This may sound funny, but the gas cap from my Sporty fit on my '86 Dodge Charger.
Out of desperation, I tried it after I lost the cap after a fill up and was
leaving on a trip.  Didn't have time to buy a new one, and rain was forcast,
so I used the HD cap on the car.  Must say, it looked really nice.  I've got
the chromed one with the gold eagle.

-- 
Suzanne Cascella, Systems Programmer	cascella-suzanne@cs.yale.edu
Yale University CS Department		cascella-suzanne@yalecs.bitnet
New Haven, CT  06520			cascella-suzanne@yale.arpa
(203)432-6427				FAX: (203)432-0593
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From: karen@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Karen Spragle)
Subject: Re: FLH frame
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:33:46 GMT

In article <6166@transfer.stratus.com>, scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath) writes:

   
> Look for the book called "What Fits What" It is a small book which covers lots  
> of just what the title says, from engines to forks and frames, etc. I don't  
> know where to find it but there was a thread on the Harley Digest a while back  
> covering this. Anyone out there have the info?

The book is called "What Fits What" and is written by Mike Harmann and I think
Kurt Heinrich.  They also wrote another book called "Special Tools"  which is
also a good one.  It is published by Mike Harmann Publishing and available
through the J&P mail order guys (they're located in Davenport Iowa)  The
books are mostly for older HD's, though.

Kurt teaches at on of those motorcycle mechanics schools in Florida.
Oh yea, and Mike rides a BMW.

-Karen

TAN: Has any one ever looked up "motorcycle" in the dictionary?  Webster's Def:

A two wheeled automotive vehicle having 1 or 2 saddles and sometimes a side
car with a third supporting wheel.

Sounds like a horse to me.

Karen Spragle
karen@gargoyle.uchicago.edu


> 
> **********************************************************
> Scott Colbath
> Stratus Computer
> Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
> Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
> **********************************************************
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.173250.14994@rtsg.mot.com>, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
> Why?  I am only a backyard mechanic, and it doesn't take me three hours
> to drop a swingarm for an endless chain, why does it take three hours for
> a belt change?  Anybody got a manual with the procedure?

The belt runs behind the primary chaincase (need I say more?) and requires
removal of the primary chain, clutch, chaincase, etc.  Definitely not
the type of work one wants to do on the side of the road at night.  Harley
sells a temporary belt repair kit with a belt that can be installed without
disassembling the primary.  This kit is designed to get you home from a
trip (likely a *long* trip) and to a dealer (or your garage if you're so
inclined).

- Roid
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: sportster questions
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:08:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Aug26.233410.11490@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> ron@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Viegelahn) writes:
>
>
> Hello fellow net readers....
>
> I've been riding **rice-burners** for about 25 years now.
>
 Excellent choice, I bought an XLH-1200 on July 1, 1991 and have put over
 12K miles on it in a little over 1 year.


>
> The newer one's with the belt drive appeal to me. Models a year or
>of things to watch out for?

 That's about the right price, mine cost $6500 new and one year later I
 have been quoted as much as $7000 trade in value for upgrading to a
 Softail or Dynaglide. I have put on a few hundred dollars worth of chrome
 goodies though. I assume the extraordinarly high resale value is due to
 the great demand for used Sportsters here in the D/FW area and almost none
 for sale. I hear the 1993 model production run is already just about sold out
 with pre-paid orders. Believe me, you'll want the belt drive 5 speed model
 over the chain drive, but on the '91 and '92 models there is one thing to watch
 out for, that's the front belt sprocket coming loose and stripping the splines
 out. It happened to mine at 9800 miles, even after verifying that it was fine
 at the 5000 and 7500 mile marks. Harley has a better replacement sprocket
 that is standard on the 93's. This new sprocket is only about $75 so if you
 buy a used '91 that hasn't its sprocket replaced, you'll want to do that
 just for increased reliability and peace of mind. BTW, the splines only
 strip out on the inside of the sprocket, the tranny's output shaft is very
 tough and was not harmed at all when my sprocket failed.

> And one more question to those who have been Harley riders for a good
>while. Could someone explain the alphabet code used in model names,
>like what does FLH, FXST etc mean. 

The XL series are the Sportsters, Most of the FX series have the rear
suspension configuration of a standard swing arm with a shock/spring on each
side (except for the FXST which has the Softail rear end) The FL's are the
big frames, some of which are Softails, some are not. I really don't know 
what the heck Harleys designations mean... I'm just ramblin' on here... If
anyone out there really knows the answer, I'm dying to know also !!!!!

Neal Howard
neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
'91 XLH-1200
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: WANTED: 1985 XLS Roadster
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:00:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.105127.3274@ducvax.auburn.edu>, wdperry@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> WANTED: 1985 XLS Roadster
> 
> I'm looking for a 1985 XLS Roadster in good condition.  If you have one or know
> someone with one (and you/they are willing to sell) please contact me.

It's not an '85, but someone may be interested.  From the Northwest Jersey
HOG Newsletter:

FOR SALE:
1957 HARLEY ROADSTER -- Will negotiate
Call Ed 201-540-9569

This is Northwest New Jersey. (duh!)

Seth Zirin
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: All right whats the bike in Terminator 2
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:35:06 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <1992Aug25.234946.327@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>how much does it cost. mikii decided that if i wanted a harley it 
>would have to be one that one cause "its big and grungy".
>
>personally all i would want is the cheepest modle with rubber
>mounted engine and spoke wheels

1991 Harley-Davidson Fat Boy, with some custom work by Bartels H-D.
Pretty nice bike; the look isn't too far from stock Fat Boy.  1992 MSRP
on the Fat Boy is ~$12.7K.


--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG           | "Good men must not obey the laws too well"
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA   |    -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439          |  
 Mail: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com    |  My employer accepts no responsibility...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:37:46 GMT

In article <1870c3INNi4b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>I've always wondered about that.  Are they loud because:
>
>1) Harlie riders like to be obnoxious.
>
>2) To scare old ladies.
>
>3) To get better gas mileage.
>
>4) To go faster.
>
>5) So you don't hear that piston slap as much.
>
>6) Harlie engineers were never made aware of the invention of the muffler.
>
>7) None of the above.
>
>8) All of the above.

7 and 8 should be reversed for logical consistency. With 7) All of the Above
being the correct answer. Is there a problem?




--
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: WANTED: 1985 XLS Roadster
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:18:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.190051.2056@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.105127.3274@ducvax.auburn.edu>, wdperry@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> WANTED: 1985 XLS Roadster
>> 
>> I'm looking for a 1985 XLS Roadster in good condition.  If you have one or know
>> someone with one (and you/they are willing to sell) please contact me.
>
>It's not an '85, but someone may be interested.  From the Northwest Jersey
>HOG Newsletter:
>
>FOR SALE:
>1957 HARLEY ROADSTER -- Will negotiate
>Call Ed 201-540-9569

	There is no such thing as a 1957 XLS.  XLS years were '79-'85.  I had
an '82 that lunched it's tranny (apparently a common thing with Iron
Sportsters).

-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: brianz@sturgis.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Zavatsky)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:48:33 GMT
Reply-To: brianz@sturgis.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

I missed the original thread on belt failure, but i ride a dual belt drive
putt (80 FXB) and have never had any problems with either. I have 
replaced the compensating rubber bushings on the primary belt, the 
belts are the originals (13yrs).

Belt problems are usually due to miss alignment of the belt (pulleys).


brian
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Subject: EVO carb
Organization: northern telecom inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:47:55 GMT

So my 91 Sporty 1200 started running rough at about 1100 miles.  The guy
at the local Harley shop told me it was due to running her on super-unleaded
gasoline (~92 octane).  His story was that the additives used here in Tejas
to make super-unleaded eat the rubber stuff in the carb.  The bitch that 
sold me the bike said to use nothing but super-unleaded.  What the fuck?
  
******************************************************************************
                               To Hell with the disclaimer shit.


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From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Waving!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:54:15 GMT

Bikers and motorcyclists are INDIVIDUALS.  Different areas have different
customs.  People have different moods on different days.  There are
no rules with the waving issue.

- Roid
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 06:40:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I've always wondered about that.  Are they loud because:

1) Harlie riders like to be obnoxious.

2) To scare old ladies.

3) To get better gas mileage.

4) To go faster.

5) So you don't hear that piston slap as much.

6) Harlie engineers were never made aware of the invention of the muffler.

7) None of the above.

8) All of the above.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: What model is it?
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:42:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.114935.7446@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> "DECWRL::%s" writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.075636.19232@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch") writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!nntpd2!m_bellor
>From: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
>Subject: What model is it?
>Message-ID: <1992Aug29.075636.19232@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
>Lines: 35
>Sender: m_bellor@csc32.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
>Reply-To: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
>Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
>References: <JET.92Aug28134956@win30.nas.nasa.gov> <JET.92Aug28161445@win30.nas.nasa.gov>
>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:56:36 GMT
>
>> When I was getting serious about purchasing a Harley, a friend that
>> owns a liquor store gave me a poster from Coors. The title on the 
>> poster states "Harley and Barley", maybe some of you have seen this?

         <stuff deleted>
>
>
> Well, since this query did not get a response, I will try a different
> angle.
>
> The bike I am talking about is probably a early 80's shovel with very
> little chrome. It has the same basic color scheme as the Yamaha midnight
> specials, ie. black with gold trim including the rims. It is the same
> style as the EVO lowrider, was there a FXRS shovel??

Yup, it was called the "superglide", Nice bike!!

> Still curious,
> Sasquatch
>        m_bellor@coors.dec.com


--
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: FLH frame
Keywords: What Fits What
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:46:04 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University


Karen Spragle writes:

>The book is called "What Fits What" and is written by Mike Harmann and I think

Actually, it's Mike _Arman_. I used to have a copy of another book he 
wrote, ``Custom Harley Cookbook,'' full of commonsense advice on what 
does and doesn't work when chopping your Hog.

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@rice.edu
'81 Honda CB750/836F
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Our New Group
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:27:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.003850.11948@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|Yours is the 75th post at our site.  When a group gets created,
|the creation notice (?) gets propagated everywhere... and this 
|may take some time.... so some places will get added sooner than
|others.  As sites get added, more readers (& writers) will join
|in.

  And, in some cases (like the sites I control), newgroup creation's are NOT
handled automatically, primarily due to all the stupid newsgroups that come
in via the alt.* hierarchy.  So, the creation at some sites must await the
site manager to notice the new group notification and create it manually.

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
("mean and nasty") ZX-11 #00072 Pilot         megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

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