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From: arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan)
Subject: Re: comments -  Response to comments?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:55:55 GMT

In article <1e168qINN7pp@gap.caltech.edu> kanga.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai) writes:
>
>	Whether one enjoys being a prostitute is not the point. The point
>is how far is one willing to go to make money? One does not have to 
>enjoy a job to make money. In that case, the motivation for making 
>money outstrips the need for job satisfaction. (no pun here).
>

When it is a question of bare survival, you don't have to go
far to make money. To make more money for a more comfortable leaving
is another thing. 
>
>	Ah! Now, we come to the double standards of human life. Not all
>ethical questions are important. One event which is unethical may be
>stopped, while another (which is also unethical) may be allowed. And that
>was the point of that paragraph in my article.
>

No, I don't think PJN was making double standards. He simply said
that one does not have to address all ethical questions *at the
same time*.

>	The fault, dear PJN, is not in our stars, but in ourselves!
>That we are men! Sure women may be prtrayed as sexual objects, but why?
>To entice the men!! It is the man who is weak! Women are sexual objects
>only as long as men are around to be enticed. Hey, you can't avoid
>biological facts!! 

The protest was *not* against showing the man get enticed by the woman.
The protest was against implying *violence* (lunging at women) in that
act. Enticement can well be portrayed by other means. Moreover,
the ad it was *not* just the man getting enticed by the woman. It was really
the man trying to entice the woman with his perfume.

Throughout your argument you say that men get enticed by women so women
try better to entice men. Why can't it happen the other way?

>
>TATA!
>Sateesh	
>-- 
>		| Sateesh Pillai			
>		| 128-95, Caltech
>who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
>		| (818) 564-1225

Arun Achyuthan
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From: rkalia@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Rajesh Kalia)
Subject: Info required on ARJUNA (MAHABHARTA)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:59:30 GMT

I like to get some information on ARJUNA from MAHABHARTA. Here are few questions:

Why he was beloved to every character?
Why he was so close to LORD KRISHNA compared to other PANDAV brothers?
Why he was so much needed in the war against the KAURAVS?
Why he was an ideal student?
Why he was a perfect warrior?

If somebody can post few illustrations(from MAHABHARTA) answering the above asked
questions then I hope it will be helpful.

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Rajesh Kalia.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: News clip with an inappropriate heading
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:44:03 GMT

In article <BxMstx.Mrz@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
>From     : Dinesh Agrawal
>Source   : Times of India, November 4, 1992
>                           * * * * * * * 
>Kerala School Succumbs to Muslim Fundamentalists
>                             * E N D *
>
>Clearly, allowing Muslim students to wear caps is the right thing to do.
>Could we, for instance, insist that a Sikh student not wear a turban?

	I agree. Individual freedom should come above school
"discipline", especially in matters of dress.

>I smell a rat here. Either the Times of India is attempting to
>sensationalize an issue (especially because there is a new fear for
>Islamic Fundamentalism rooted in Kerala) that doesn't deserve to be,

	It might be worthwhile to look at the person who posted it. If
I am not mistake, Dinesh Agrawal has been very pro-BJP/RSS/VHP on the
net. It could be his overzealous heading. I hope it is not Times of
India's!

>Mahesh.

PJN

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From: saptho@fermat.ee.umn.edu (Saptho Nair)
Subject: Malayalam Fonts?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:52:45 GMT

Hi ACKers !
Does anyone has access to Malayalam fonts ?
(Preferably on Macintosh or SUN(?)). I had seen Hindi and
Tamil fonts on some CD ROMs here at the Univ of Minn 
long ago. If anyone know where I can get malayalam
font, kindly  send me an email or post on ACK. 
I will also be glad
to share with you what I find out, if there is sufficient 
interest.

Thanks in advance.

Saptho Nair



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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: ***Dance Performance***
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:39:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu


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From: narendra@cool.cs.wisc.edu (B. Narendran)
Subject: Re: plagiarism 
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:32:37 GMT

In article <Qf3gHL200iV183kWxf@andrew.cmu.edu> Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>But I never heard anybody claiming that the
>Hollywood super hit "Ghost" is a straight lift from that obscure
>Malayalam movie "Pappan Priyappetta Pappan". 

The latter is one of the fifty or so Malayalam movies in our university
library's videotape collection. The blurb for it in the catalogue remarks
that it is a "remake" of _Heaven_Can_Wait_.

Perhaps someone who has seen both movies can comment on the accuracy of
this statement? 

- Narendran.
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From: sreeharshan@elis.enet.dec.com (Sreeharshan.O.G...)
Subject: maNipRavaaLam
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:24:58 GMT



In article <By14p7.1GA@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.aide (Mathai Chundattu)
writes
>About the origin of Malayalam language:

>Malayalam is an eclectic mixture of a Dravidyan language and Sanskrit. I
>think the Dravidyan language from which Malayalam originated was a form 
>of Tamil. Earlier, this mixed language was called 'maNipRavaaLam'
>meaning "pearls in sand". The Sanskrit words were considered to be
>equivalent to the sand on a shore and the Dravidyan words the pearls.
>There are several works written in this form of Malayalam.
>'uNNuneelisandESam' is an example. Any one out there with some more
>info?

 If I remember what I heard years ago, 'maNipRavaaLam' was a style of writing
poetry, mixing Sanskrit and Malayalam. That style is not as old as the Malayalam
language itself for it to be the predecessor of the  language. Perhaps that
style has resulted in a lots of Sanskrit words getting into Malayalam.

 Does 'maNipRavaaLam' mean "pearls in sand" ? I thought it could be broken up
into maNi + pRavalam and both were names for precious stones, one in
Malayalam (maNi) and the other in Sanskrit (pRavalam) . I can't remember what
they were. 


cheers,

Harshan


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From: jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer)
Subject: Re: ***Chalachitra Lookam***
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:16:39 GMT


I think Kattukutira should be rated a lot higher. Its true that it doesn't
have any big stars like Mammooty or Mohanlai. Tilakan's acting amply
compensated for that. I think he got some award for that.(I am not sure).
I heard that it is based on a drama performed by some popular drama troupe(not
KPAC, I guess) where all the hushed whispers of Tilakan to Innocent in that
film were made audible. Its a 'must see' film.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:21:19 EST
From: <TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Pretty actress...

I find Shobana very pretty..her eyes....wow...is she married..;-)?
(oops hope Ramesh Mahadevan is not reading this post..)
KD
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Comments about the F.A.C.K
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:12:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I just sent in the first release of F.A.C.K., the faq+info article
for ack that I had promised some time ago. I will try to keep the
F.A.C.K. updated and send in new releases every saturday for the
first few weeks and after that once a fortnight (after the information
content stabilizes ) if the free time I have to do this shrinks too
much I will ask someone else to handle this at that point.

BTW. F.A.Q. stands for frequently asked questions.

The F.A.C.K. as it exists is far from complete.
Some questions have not been answered. I dont have all my
references here, so any help with regard to writing up the
basic facts about Kerala and malayalam would be greatly
appreciated, especially if you have figures for these 
facts like distances in km, population in lakhs etc.

There are so many questions that deserve to be in the 
F.A.C.K. that you may know of. Please drop a line and
tell me about them.

I look forward to particularly the Keralite recipes
section. Being in a strange land (ok, ok not so strange :-))
means longing for food from back home. So why not pool
our resources and use the internet for something useful ?
So send in any recipe no matter how silly it may seem to you.
I can assure you I could still learn something from it :-)
I intend to send in a nifty safeway-adapted recipe for 
certain non-veg dishes. 
Manu, are you listening ? Remember the sambhar that you
destroyed in Boulder ? :-) Just kidding.

And finally about the acker list.
It would be really nice if we knew exactly what kind of readership
this newsgroup is getting to. For those of you who post it is a
way of checking your audience. Its also serves to identify people
from the same colleges, places etc. Furthermore, especially in
continental america, it creates friends and contacts in cities
and places you could be visiting. Aside from the practical benefits
of knowing people on one or two day visits to strange cities, 
believe me its a lot of fun to meet people who you know well on the
net, in person. So send in your names and any info within 20 lines
that you want attached to your name. It is not necessary to give
e-mail address or anything else.


And before ending, another pat on our collective backs.
Alt.Culture.Kerala is now a low-noise low-volume group that
pretty much does what it was intended to do.

Later,

Paul Chemmanoor.


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From: mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Our Deepavali Celebrations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:50:22 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


We celebrated Deepavali on last Saturday (Nov 14) evening. The India
Students Association is very active in University of Oklahoma and a 
crowd of at least six hundred people turned up for the show. The
function started at 6.00 pm and went on till the ISA Band concluded the
celebrations with a nostalgic collection of popular Indian songs.

The main attraction of the show was a play "Ramayana". The plot starts
with Ram, Laxman and Sita living in the forest to fulfill the wishes of
their father. Ravana disguises as a sage and abducts Sita to Lanka. The
play ends with Ram killing Ravana in the war and the victorious return
of Ram to the palace. It is said that people welcomed the return of Ram
and Sita with lighted lamps in their houses starting the festival known
as Deepavali.

There was a scene in the Asoka Van in Ravana's palace. The demons
torture Sita and try to compel her to marry Ravana. "Ha.. ha.. ha..
ha..". Ravana enters the stage with a terrible laugh and looking at the
lovesick Sita. "Ding..." Ravana's big black moustache fell on the ground 
without any kind of warnings. The already merry crowd burst into a 
thundering laughter. In the mean time Ravana tried to fix his 'konban
meeSa' and act again. "Ding.."; again. There was a blackout on the stage
and that scene was redone.

The whole play was a success. Let me be honest with you all ackers. I
was the actor in the role of Ravana.


Mathai

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From: TC@dengr.msstate.edu (Thomas Chittooran)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: intro-test
Date: 20 Nov 1992 09:43:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello netters

This is a test from a marunaadan malayalee from Mississippi, who has
been out of kerala for a while.

My name is Thomas Chittooran (studied in many a schools from Kozhikode
to Thiruvanthapuram/Thiruanthapuram). My adopted hometown in
kerala is Trivandrum.

More info will be forthcomming once I know the outcome of this
test message.

Sorry and thanks

Thomas
From: piglet.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: comments -  Response to comments?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 07:36:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: piglet.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@piglet

In article <Bxs517.JHq@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>  
arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan) writes:
> Throughout your argument you say that men get enticed by women so women
> try better to entice men. Why can't it happen the other way?

	I never said that women better entice men. My whole point is that
men are very easily sexually excited. It's a part of the biology man!!!
Don't ask me why it can't happen the other way around. I've been racking
my brains to find an answer to that question for years!!

> Arun Achyuthan

TATA!
Sateesh
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		| 128-95, Caltech
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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Re: plagiarism
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 03:35:44 GMT

In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan) writes:
>In article <Qf3gHL200iV183kWxf@andrew.cmu.edu> Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
  stuff deleted

>>Aah, the opening slokam of Asan's beautiful Leela! How many years has
>it been since I thought of this slokam! Thanks, Prathapan, for
>bringing it up. On repeated attempts, I could recollect a version of
>it and it was slightly different from the above. I think this slokam
>is: (only two differences, in the second line and the last part)
>
>	PraNayaparavashE shubham nina-
>	kkuNaruka undoru dikkil nin priyan
>	GuNavati, neTu mOha nidravi-
>	TTuNaruka, njan sakhi ninTe MAdhavi.
>
>[Anyone know the name of this vr~ttam? A viShama vr~tham, with
>	na na ra la ga   and   na ja ja ra]
>
PJN, I am confused about your notation here. This vR~tham sounds like one of the "Sanskrit vR~tham"s which is more strict than the non-Sanskrit ones. I.E., in the Sanskrit ones, each phonetic group must be either short or long as specified in the vR~tham. The non-Sanskrit ones on the other hand follow less strict rules which specify the number of letters in each line, and some other rules. kEka is an example of one such popular vR~tham in which  letters should fall into groups of 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, etc. 
 
>Poets often get similar ideas, they often adopt similar ideas.
>Accusations of plagiarism can be made if the adopted idea is central
>to the piece.  In this case, this slokam happens to be one of the xxx
>number of slokams in Leela (100? 150?) and in no way critical to
>either the story or the style. I think adopting ideas should be
>encouraged in poetry, with due credit given to the original, for,
>poems have very different flavours in different languages.

It is true that there is some amount of plagiarism. But at times, literary minds come up with similar ideas independently.
>
>>There was wide criticism that his "Chandalabhikshuki" was inspired by
>>Tagore's Chandalika.
>
>This could be more serious, but I don't know enough about it. Doesn't
>KumAran Asan attribute the chandAlabhikshuki story to someone else?
>

I thought that both were based on an earlier story, but I can't remember any details.


  stuff deleted

>
>>Prathapan 
>
>Those who have seen the fantastic Hindi movie "Masoom" (acted by
>Nasiruddin Shah and Shabana Azmi) might want to know that it is a
>"copy" [I don't think the movie acknowledges it] of the movie "Man,
>woman and the child". Why I mention this? Because, I think Masoom is a
>hundred times better than the original! It is a "good" instance of
>copying, though I wish they admitted it was adopted.
>
>PJN
>
>-- 
>---
>Robotics Institute, CMU			pjn@cs.cmu.edu
>Pittsburgh, PA 15213
>---


Jacob
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: ***Chalachitra Lookam***
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:57:07 GMT

In article <1eelvkINNkjt@girtab.usc.edu> rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan) writes:

>	Cinema			Cast			Comments
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Kattukuthira            Tilakan,Vineet,Pappu           * * 

>Rating on a scale of * to ***** where * is bad...

I thought Kattukuthira was a good movie (albiet a banal story) with
an excellent performance by Tilakan...I would have given it at least
4 stars.

Mahesh.
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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: plagiarism 
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:16:16 GMT

In article <Qf3gHL200iV183kWxf@andrew.cmu.edu> Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Why is it that Malayalees have always been accused of plagiarism?  For
>example, when Kumaranasan wrote
>
>"Pranayaparavase subham ninakkunaruvathondorudhikkil nin priyan
> Gunavathi nedumohanidhra vittunaruka njan nin sakhi Madhavi"

Aah, the opening slokam of Asan's beautiful Leela! How many years has
it been since I thought of this slokam! Thanks, Prathapan, for
bringing it up. On repeated attempts, I could recollect a version of
it and it was slightly different from the above. I think this slokam
is: (only two differences, in the second line and the last part)

	PraNayaparavashE shubham nina-
	kkuNaruka undoru dikkil nin priyan
	GuNavati, neTu mOha nidravi-
	TTuNaruka, njan sakhi ninTe MAdhavi.

[Anyone know the name of this vr~ttam? A viShama vr~tham, with
	na na ra la ga   and   na ja ja ra]

Poets often get similar ideas, they often adopt similar ideas.
Accusations of plagiarism can be made if the adopted idea is central
to the piece.  In this case, this slokam happens to be one of the xxx
number of slokams in Leela (100? 150?) and in no way critical to
either the story or the style. I think adopting ideas should be
encouraged in poetry, with due credit given to the original, for,
poems have very different flavours in different languages.

>There was wide criticism that his "Chandalabhikshuki" was inspired by
>Tagore's Chandalika.

This could be more serious, but I don't know enough about it. Doesn't
KumAran Asan attribute the chandAlabhikshuki story to someone else?

Hollywood movies are adapted to (read stolen) Malayalam (and Hindi,
etc.) too often, particularly many bad ones. In most cases, the source
is quite obvious from the chronology of the events. Worse are copying
of the tunes from the west and from other Indian languages without
attributing it to anyone else. I am not aware of the move "Ghost" or
the Malayalam movie mentioned, but I think the overwhelming direction
of stealing is definitely from the west to India. Maybe because they
have a history of related litigation (and a wider distribution of
films and songs that it is impossible to "hide" the copying) that they
do not dare to plagiarise blatantly.

>Prathapan 

Those who have seen the fantastic Hindi movie "Masoom" (acted by
Nasiruddin Shah and Shabana Azmi) might want to know that it is a
"copy" [I don't think the movie acknowledges it] of the movie "Man,
woman and the child". Why I mention this? Because, I think Masoom is a
hundred times better than the original! It is a "good" instance of
copying, though I wish they admitted it was adopted.

PJN

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From: piglet.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: comments -  Response to comments?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 08:16:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: piglet.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@piglet

In article <Bxs517.JHq@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>  
arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan) writes:

> No, I don't think PJN was making double standards. He simply said
> that one does not have to address all ethical questions *at the
> same time*.

	I am not accusing PJN of having double standards. My accusation
was leveled at society in general (of which I am also a part). And if 
you don't address all ethical questions, you hit upon a judgement point
where you have to decide which is more "ethical". It's a catch-22.
I never said there was a solution, I was just pointing out the problem.

> The protest was *not* against showing the man get enticed by the woman.
> The protest was against implying *violence* (lunging at women) in that
> act. Enticement can well be portrayed by other means. Moreover,
> the ad it was *not* just the man getting enticed by the woman. It was  
really
> the man trying to entice the woman with his perfume.

	The particular advertisement is not the only thing being 
discussed by me. I make it a point to generalise and include other 
examples of a similar kind, where the problem is the same - "using women".
My point is that in this process, it is the men who are being used!!!

> Arun Achyuthan

TATA!
Sateesh
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From: mkoya@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mammad Koya)
Subject: Re: Some Mallu Jokes - "Ingiriyus" version
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 03:12:01 GMT


Hi !!

Here is another Mallu joke :

Once four people were travelling in a train, they were a russian ,an n
american, a tamil from madras and a mallu.
Thee russian drinks half a bottle of vodka and throws the rest away.The 
tamil who is surprised asks the russian , "Saar why did do you throw
the bottle away--there was some left in there " The russiam smiled and re

replied "Well we have more than enough vodka in Russia.The american then 
does the same with a bottle of sherry.The pandi is now really suprised.
"Saar why did you throw the bottle of sherry away"."Well we have more tha

enough sherry in america" replies the american.The pandi now wants to 
do something similar but cannot find anything to do.Suddenly he gets a 
bright idea.He pushes the mallu out of the train and shouts out
"We have more then enough mallus in Madras."

That's all for now,
bye
Mammad.


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