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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Sgt-Mgr Nissim Toledano found murdered
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:43:18 GMT

In article <227@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP>, ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel
Ohayon) writes:
> In article <4781@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Shaqeeqa writes:
> 
> [ANISA] Vice versa.You should not criticize jewish behavior, whatever
they do is
> [ANISA] selfdefense, and whatever the aggressive moslems do is
criminal.  They
> [ANISA] brutally and sadistically killed Sheikh Mussawi, it's OK. 
They attack
> 
> Sheikh Mussawi was a killer who died a killer's death. Not only did he kill 
> Jews and Israelis but he also ordered the killings of U.S. Marines and
French 
> paratroopers in Beirut. He hid himself behind the name of god to conduct
> terrorist activities. I'm sure Islam does not want to see people die.
I thought
> it was supposed to be a religion with humane values. Sheik Mussawi did not
> have any since he ordered killings. Nobody in the west condemned the
sentence!
> Iran and Lebanon were the only countries to say anything.

By your reckoning, Rabin and all former Israeli Prime Ministers and
military officials should be killed because they have ordered killings.
What you fail to mention about Mosavi is that, on the day that he was
elected Secretary General of the Lebanese Hezbollah, he declared his
intention to resolve the hostage problem. If it were not for Mosavi, it
is my belief that many if not all of the former Western hostages who
were in Lebanon at that time would still be there. It is my belief that
Mosavi was murdered by Israel because he was talking sense and that a
rational Hezbollah is something that Israel cannot tolerate; without the
illusion of a threat from Lebanon, Israel cannot maintain an argument
for its continued occupation. 

[...]

> [ANISA] Anisa
> 
> Tsiel
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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israeli Soldiers Kill 8-Yr Old Girl
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:56:03 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.think.com

In article <1992Dec20.173645.14218@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
|> 
|> Is anyone familiar with the emotional problems that this sort of
|> military service has on the soldiers who have had to serve in this
|> circumstances? Don't these young men experience psychological problems
|> in their life after being made by their government to go into situations
|> where they are made to make the decision to shoot and kill children ....
|> women .... civilians? What is the Israeli government doing to its young
|> people by making them do the dirty work in a cruel and prolonged
|> occupation? Who were these soldiers protecting? ... only themselves. The
|> thought must go through their minds, "why is my government making me
|> serve in a place where no one wants me and the only person who I am
|> fighting to protect is myself at the expense of the lives of small
|> children and women". 

Yes, this does cause emotional problems and is an action item that was being
closely monitored while I was in Israel.  Contrary to popular belief, the
"brutal and barbaric" occupation is not implemented by a bunch of
sociopathic misfits, but primarily by young men between the ages of 18-21
as well as reservists usually from 22-45.  The emotional conflicts have
struck home harder for the youngsters, as they are:
	1. Less emotionally developed.
	2. Caught in tight spots more often.

To offset this, as a primary care method, officers are asked to monitor the behaviour of their subordinates closely.  Group sessions with counselors
are scheduled when the units come off their postings.  Sociologists
are already noting an increased "lack of empathy" among some of the
soldiers who served a majority of their 3 year hitch in the territories.
They claim that the Israeli society is becoming "emotionally scarred"
as a whole.

-- 
Shai Guday		| 
OS Software Engineer	| 
Thinking Machines Corp. |
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Gav*0"s broken nose is a little uncomfortable for "ASALA/SDPA/ARF".
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:37:22 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <scg.724844048@cs.wisc.edu> UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET <Nick Gavrielatos@harvard.harvard.edu> writes:

>him merry christmas in Dutch... you need to tell him with Dutch
>accent the phrase "ANDE GAMISSOU MALAKA". Yeap, Yeap, that's 
>Dutch for Merry Christmas, but for mutlu-bitch-malak only!

Look who is back? Maybe "Kazim" should have put up a sign on
the tip of "Gav*0"s broken nose that said "come on down and
confront the ultimate meaning of humiliation". Anyway, a 
genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people
in an attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime
in history. It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and
Armenian dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed
in the worst ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that
the human race is capable of such actions, but there is no
denying the fact that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
Muslims happened.


Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in 
 the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly 
 defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
 the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."

Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields," 
Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481.

"As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars
 as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre
 of the Tartar population." 

Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24, 
1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"

"Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
 it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
 defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
 sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the 
 Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Resisting occupation
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:54:21 GMT

In article <42751@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:
> <1992Dec20.183533.14758@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad
Hernlem) writes:
> 
> 3. It is my belief that it is a fundamental right of people to resist
> the forced occupation of their land by a foreign army. 
> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
> 
> 	Should the Kurds randomly kill Iranian soldiers until
> 	Iranians stop occupying Kurdistan?  Yes or no?
> 	(Or is the situation different when Muslims are the
> 	occupiers?)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)

The country of Iran has been around continuously for over 2500 years.
You would have to go back to circa 1000-500 B.C. to find when such an
"occupation" began, I should think. Assuming that the present day Kurds
are decendants of the Medes, which is my understanding, the Kurds have
long played a role in Iranian government. 

I do not have any Kurdish friends, personally, nor have I had many
personal contacts with Kurdish people. I know that there is some
factional discrimination in Iran as there is in the U.S. I also know
that, from my experience, I have found most Iranians that I have met to
be very hospitable and friendly; I would dare say considerably more so
than most Americans. Kurds are viewed as courageous people who are
renowned for their ability to fight tenaciously. In my opinion, the
situation is quite different for the Palestinians. I think that there is
the difference that the Israeli government wishes to occupy Palestinian
land despite the Palestinians whereas the Iranian government would like
to hold the country together. Nonetheless, my belief, as stated above,
still holds. It is the duty of a country to accept all nations within
its domain as equal citizens. 

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
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From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: 27 Dec 92 02:46:01 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <4750@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Shaqeeqa writes:

[ANISA] Common Tsiel ... this isn't funny at all!!  (Besides, committing 

        ^^^^^^ Come on or Com'on

[ANISA] suicide is absolutely haram, and as good of a Muslim as Yahya is, that
[ANISA] would be the last thing he would consider - plus he would have to go 
[ANISA] over *my* dead body first:-).

If he is such a good muslim, why does he want innocent civilians to be killed
by Hamas and its likes. Oh I get it, it's okay to kill as long as it's not 
oneself! Makes a lot of sense, because if one had killed oneself then he could
not kill others. Great logic.

As for going over your dead body, that's a decision jle will have to make on
his own :-)

[ANISA] And, on the spelling lessons, you should teach your own Israeli 
[ANISA] brothers first (like Gideon) before attempting to correct other 
[ANISA] non-fluent English speakers (or is this another attempt at enlightening
[ANISA] us Arab heathens, oh Israeli master?)  :'}

I agree that Gideon does master the English language too well, but he lives
in Israel. His main exposure to English is probably these computer newsgroups.
I guess by reading articles from jle he will never make progress :-).


Salam

Tsiel
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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.space,talk.politics.theory
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:55:05 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations: 

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Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
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resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
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WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
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James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Keywords: ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.213719.11871@ncsu.edu> odkahn@eos.ncsu.edu (OPHER DANIEL KAHN) writes:
>Interesting statistic.  Were did you get it?

If you are talking about 20% of Israelis support killing or expelling
Palestinians, it is from a recent Israeli survey. It was posted in
clarinet recently.

>>
>I missed that chapter in the middle east history.   Care to fill me in???

I am talking about both history and a possible future.. The fact that many
Israelis always bring up the genocide against native Americans shows that
they think that anything that is not worse than that should not be 
condemned.
Genocide includes the killing of a people by either extermination or
permanent deportation, since in both cases that people will not exist
anymore.. (In our case the people are Palestinians).


Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng)
Subject: Re: deportaion
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:37:20 GMT

zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

>Askenazi jews are descendants of people who converted to Judiasm in the middle
>ages and have no relation to sephardim execpt the religion.

I've never heard this claim before. Nobody denies that the Khazars contributed
slightly to the Jewish gene pool (A higher incidence of red hair among
Ashkenazim than Europeans is said to be evidence for this). There are even 
recorded cases of Roman/Italian conversions and Jewish sex-slaves in Germany,
but this is the first time I've heard the claim that Sephardim and Ashkenazim 
are not genetically related by a common Judean ancestry. What is your evidence
for this claim?

>Nobody came from anywhere. People come and go in the course of history. You
>can't move millions of russians and poles to "return" just because 
>co-religionists used to live there a couple of millenia ago.

There are cases of Russians arriving with Jews at Ben-Gurion Airport. They are
mostly the spouses of Jews making aliyah. I'm not aware of many Poles seeking
to move to Israel, certainly their numbers are well short of "millions".

You understand that a Jew (other than by conversion) can be a citizen of 
Russia, but cannot be Russian by nationality simply because "Jew" is a
nationality itself. One seldom hears the term "Jewish Arab", as another 
example. The label "Jew" also makes no assumptions about one's religiousness,
so your use of the term "co-religionists" is inaccurate. We share a common
identity; we are members of the same tribe.

>Zeyd

                                 -steve

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
Subject: Re: Israel must return the deportees!
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:05:45 GMT

In article <4791@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article (Irene Berkovich) writes:
>>
>>Sorry British Israel-hating Jew (BIHJ),  you're wrong again.  Most of
>>the territory of Palestine was *not* seized in 1948.  It was *ceded*
>>in 1922 by the British to Abdullah, the grandfather of the present
>>King of Jordan.  This land mass constitutes 76% of Palestine, and was
>>originally called TransJordan.  The name was later changed to Jordan
>>in order to erase any identification with Palestine.  Even today
>>Jordann has a *majority* Palestinian population.  So the Palestinians
>>*do* have a Palestine.  Unfortunately, it's being ruled by a Saudi
>>(Hashemite) who has no business ruling there.  So they definitely have
>>a case for a Palestinian state in Jordan.
>
>I hate to quote Hitler, but he did say that if you tell a lie long
>enough, people begin to believe it.

So, where is the lie you're referring to?

>
>>I think Israel is entitled to keep its 24% of 'Palestine' as a Jewish
>>country.
>
>So, by this logic, the other 76% belongs to the Palestinians.

I agree.


>>P.S.  When will Britain stop occupying Northern Ireland?
>
>When Britain stops occupying South Africa ... maybe.

Is Britain occupying South Africa?


>Anisa
>
>P.S.  I hear that Irene means peace in Greek ...
>


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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 1 Jan 93 09:22:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <4789@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.083306.131@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>
>>If you can't understand, comprehend or fathom why a physician should not belong
>>to a terrorist organization, then I really feel sorry for you.
>
> Back to the subject matter, the point initially was that there are
> respectable people belonging to the Hamas.  What you consider
> (understandably so from an Israeli point of view), to be a terrorist
> organization is a fundamentally religious organization who will not be
> bought or sold by anyone.  And that is why Israel was so eager to part
> with the strongest and most influential among them as well as having
> the "Peace Coordinators" try and denounce them as their enemies so as
> to justify Israel's actions.  Clever.  But not too much.
>
> What do you prescribe for your heart patients, btw?


NOT to read your postings. It might aggravate their situation.  :-)

Josh

backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL



>
> Anisa
>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Sgt-Mgr Nissim Toledano found murdered
Date: 24 Dec 92 23:21:44 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec19.045041.15114@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Goof) writes:
>
>>His death is on Israel's hands.  Israel did not want to exchange him
>>for Sheikh Ahmed (who is paralyzed and going blind, which is, I presume,
>>very humanitarian on Israel's part).
>
>	Of course he was convicted of organizing the assisinations of
>	Palestinians, not Israelis, so I guess killing Palestinians
>	is ok?  Is this part of the intifada?

Yes, of course he was convicted of organizing the Hammas as well as
organizing the intifada.  Organizing the assassinations of other
Palestinians?  No, that wasn't why he was arrested and imprisoned,
Geoff.  Where do you get your information?

Anisa

	"Find your sisters and brothers who can hear all the
	truth in what you say.  They can support you when you're
	on your way."	[Shaking The Tree]

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Occupation
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:34:28 GMT

marwang@staccato.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
[About Golda Meir]:

# It seems that a lot of people blindly believed everything that poped
# off Miss Universe's mouth. Her charming face mislead a lot of people
# to beleive all the lies she said.

It is *really* embarassing that a student in a respected university
would write things like that. Please try to control yourself.

-Danny Keren.