From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Plan S -- Quebec separation
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:12:02 GMT

cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:

>In article <schuck.721077160@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:

>>Pleeaaasssseee? Forced out???? Are you crazy?

>A set of legislation initiated by "TROC" that states that Quebeckers
>are no longer citizens (which would be required for some of the 
>proposals that you made in an earlier posting) certainly qualifies as
>"Forcing them out."  It's pretty straightforward.  Declaring someone
>to no longer be a Canadian citizen IS forcing them out.

Initiated by TROC? I'm sorry, maybe you weren't listening.
All of my recommendations were to come if Quebec [or any secessionist
Province] elected a provincial government with a mandate to separate
or initiated a referendum to separate from Canada. 

The 'initiation' would be coming from Quebec, not TROC.

>>Let's see -- off the top of my head:
>>
>>1) A Quebecker has been Prime Minister for 23 out of the last 24
>>   years. How dreadfully we treat them.
>>
>>2) Billions each year in equalization payments. Much more than they
>>   deserve because they aren't a poor province.
>>
>>3) Multi-billion dollar megaprojects every year or so. Tough isn't it.
>>
>>4) Half the civil service -- hundreds of thousands of jobs.

>Perhaps true, but not relevant to determining whether legislation
>created by Canada that denaturalizes Quebeckers "forces them out."

Such legislation would only come after a provincial legislature was
elected with a mandate to separate or a provincial legislature decided
to hold a referendum to secede. Nobody holds a referendum on secession
without planning to carry it through if it passes.
 
>>The *only* valid reason for Quebec separation is self-determination.
>>If they no longer want to share a country with english-canada, then
>>fine , I can understand that.
>>
>>But if I hear one more hard luck story about how badly they are
>>treated, then I am going to puke.
>>
>>Canada has destroyed any chance of it being a wealthy country because
>>of it's national obsession with sucking up to Quebec. Billions wasted
>>on Meech and the CA. Years wasted. 
>>
>>People hate the national elites because of this obsession.
>>
>>It disgusts us.
>>
>>It is time to treat Quebec as 1 out of 10 provinces and 2 territories
>>[soon to be 3]. Thats it. And if the Quebec psyche can't handle that
>>and wants to stalk off and start it's own country, then fine. But
>>don't expect a penny or an ounce of sympathy.
>>
>>Let me end with a response to all those who say we should have free
>>trade with QUebec.
>>
>>I've posted this example before and it's still valid.
>>
>>Quebec dairy producers get 50% of the national quota.
>>BC with 12% of the population gets 5% of the quota.
>>Other provinces are similary shortchanged.
>>
>>Do you think that BC will accept for one second Quebec keeping that
>>quota? Ha! Not a chance. Quebec will get 0 quota and the rest will be
>>distributed creating wealth and jobs in the dairy regions of Canada.


>The actual number of jobs "CREATED" by this would be less than you
>seem to think, because you ain't gonna be FORCING another sovereign
>state to (I) stop producing milk, and (II) buy YOUR milk instead.

I see you missed the point. Quebec, with 25% of the pop. has 50%
of the quota. Canada, with 75% of the pop has 50% of the quota.
After separation Canada would have 75% of the old quota [100% of the
new] which is 50% increase in production for old and new dairy farms
in Canada.

And that was only 1 of 100's of examples [if not 1000's] where Canada
would benefit without trade with Quebec.
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