HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: Re: Bush/Florida/Hurricane Andrew
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:20:21 GMT

In article <athos-020992085138@kip2-59.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>You see, he is really in a lose-lose situation because of people like you
>who expect the president to respond within seconds of an emergency. 
>Responding quickly to everything breeds disaster.  
 
 Responding quickly to ANYTHING is beyond George's range.

>He waited for the Governor.  Blame HIM.

 Care to explain why he waited?  Why things weren't ready to go?  Why he
was out campaigning while hell-on-wheels was heading for Florida?

>--
>Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
>Apple's)
>athos@apple.com
>
Larry J

-- 
#Larry W. Jewell (ex-USN)     WWII-L Listowner    jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu # 
#"Sunday's horoscope is noteworthy because of its strange, sudden and wholly#
#unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all phases of life." #
#--"Your Horoscope," L.A. Evening Herald Express, Saturday, Dec. 6, 1941.   #
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:3316 alt.politics.clinton:3357
From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: woody allen
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <1992Aug27.132735.3504@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> rogers@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (mister rogers) writes:
>In article <26AUG199223341067@venus.tamu.edu>, lav4208@venus.tamu.edu writes:
>> 
>> Like any other american, woody allen is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
>> 
>only if you're a bleeding heart LIBERAL.
>
No, In America people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty - that's
one of the central tenets of our governmental doctrine - it has nothing to do
with liberal of conservative.  Of course individuals can hold whatever
opinion they like about someone.  In the case of Woody Allen, I'd just as soon
adhere to innocent until proven guilty.  You see, I don't have any direct
knowledge of his character or the character of his family members.  It's
perfectly plausible that they are lying about him - it wouldn't be the first
time something like that has happened.  On the other hand, it's plausible that
he is guilty and they are telling the truth; it's also plausible that the
truth is somewhere in between what the two sides are saying.

     - Dave Borden
       borden@m5.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: FAQ: The Record Thing
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:05:20 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:

>Bush is at least interested in a freeze on borrow and spend, with a
>move toward a decrease.  While we can argue about how possible that
>decrease is, Clinton is asking for an INCREASE in borrow and spend;
>the tax increases won't pay for the increased spending.

How can anyone say with a straight face that Bush is interested
in anything other than getting re-elected?  He doesn't say *anything*
unless the polls have shown it's likely to be popular.

>We've effectively followed the Clinton policy since 1990.  Is more of
>the same going to to do any better?

So since 1990 the US has been investing in education and infrastructure?
Must have missed that.  [Note: Investing in administrators in the
educational system doesn't count.]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk      Computing Lab, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Still shone the candlelight on the empty screen, after the power went.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms  (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.143848.25921@crd.ge.com>, doel@ausable.crd.ge.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>I have no way of "preventing" young people from having sex, but I have
>a way of reducing the number of young people having sex.  Simply start
>a campaign in the mass media and in the schools similar to the "just
>say no" campaign against drug use.  We're starting to see the amount
>of drug use among the young go down because of this campaign.

Are we really?  Is it because of the "just say no" campaign?  Perhaps we should
have, in addition to "Just Say No To Drugs":

	Just Say No To Dangerous Sex
	Just Say No To Speeding
	Just Say No To Rape
	Just Say No To Alcohol
	Just Say No To Robbery
	Just Say No To Murder
	Just Say No To Greed
	Just Say No To Bigotry
        etc.

How much mileage do you think we can get out of this "Just Say No" nonsense?

>There's little doubt in my mind that the images presented by the
>media go a long way towards shaping our values.

Sounds like the tail wagging the dog to me.  The media *reflects* society; it
doesn't *shape* it.

>>   Evidence, please!
>
>I don't have any...
>
>>   ...again, I demand evidence.
>
>Again, I don't have any...

Perhaps you ought to.

>In my opinion, we can either a) teach them not to do dangerous/irresponsible
>things, or b) teach them how to do the dangerous/irresponsible things in a less
dangerous manner. Both are important, but option a is far superior IMO.

But we should be doing both, knowing what we do about human nature, and that said
"dangerous/irresponsible things" *will* be done, whether we want them to or not.

>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat
> and wrong." - H.L. Mencken

Like, oh, I don't know... abstinance?

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)	   For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Re: REPUBLICAN PLATFORM WANTED
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 27 AUG 92 12:26:51 PST


In article <1992Aug27.174856.6773@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes...
>*Taunt mode on*
> 
>Top Five Reasons the Republican platform has not been posted on-line:
> 
> 5) The platform was never meant to be read, it is write-only.
> 
> 4) The only copy was hand written with an ink quill on parchment. This
>    supports a Traditional American Value (TM), namely good
>    handwriting, but makes it hard to reproduce.
> 
> 3) Republicans are too busy trying to close abortion clinics to scan
>    it in.
> 
> 2) The Republican's forgot to give it to Quayle's closed-door
>    law cutting group, as a result, the platform is 85 pages
>    long (in contrast, to the Democratic platform is 16 pages long.)
> 
> 1) They are ashamed of it.
> 
>Prove me wrong; post it; I double dare you.
> 
>*Taunt mode off*

Thank you, that was really helpful.

For your information, I am not a Republican and I intend to vote Democratic. 
But the other party's platform still deserves some attention.  

Taunting?  Come on.  This is a presidential election, not a WWF bout.

Someone serious please give me a pointer.  Thank you.

Charles


> 
>- Carl
> 
>--
>Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Charles

---
Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation
Santa Clara Commercial Account Group, Santa Clara, California
INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com  UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok
---
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
From: Bert Smith <bowler@athena.mit.edu>
Subject: CLINTON: STATEMENT ON BUSH NIXING DEBATE #!
X-Xxdate: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:50:11 GMT
Organization: A big organization with lots of people
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:46:42 GMT

BUSH BACKPEDDLE ON DEBATES A DISSERVICE TO AMERICA
September 3, 1992

Statement of Mickey Kantor, Campaign Chairman

     George Bush is hiding under the table when
it's time to put the issues on the table.

     With Labor Day approaching and the President's
men now rejecting the proposal of the bipartisan
Commission on Presidential Debates--months after it
was offered--it would truly be unfortunate for the
people of East Lansing, Michigan and the Nation to
be deprived of the debate scheduled for September
22 and the subsequently scheduled debates.

     We accepted the proposal of the Commission to
have three presidential and one vice-presidential
debates because we believe that presidential
debates are in the public interest. In fact,
Governor Clinton accepted the proposal on the day
it was announced last June.  The American people
deserve the opportunity to see their candidates for
president face-to-face addressing the issues. 

     The Commission has worked for six years with
representatives from both major parties, the media
and academia. The outlines of the Commission's
proposal reflect a great deal of thought and hard
work. We believe that the current proposal presents
a level playing field for the candidates to present
their views and vision to the people of this
country.

     As a result, we do not believe that any
"behind-closed-door" negotiations between the two
campaigns are necessary. To the extent that any
details need discussion, we believe that the
discussions are properly held under the auspices of
the Commission.

     The American people do not need a debate about
debates. The American people need--and deserve--a
debate on the issues between the presidential
candidates, Bill Clinton and George Bush, and the
vice presidential candidates, Al Gore and Dan
Quayle.
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Clinton blunder
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 10:06:12 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:

[lots of stuff about Clinton, Lincoln and the media deleted]

>
> Oh, Christ on a Crutch... I should have know you were going to froth on
> about Liberal Revisionism.  It's hardly that uniform:  witness the media
> that clicked its heels and goose-stepped along during the Gulf War, and
> the media that destroyed Gary Hart's Presidential aspirations.
>

Agreed.  It also seems that many of the radical right (and mainstream
Republicans too) have forgotten the media that help contribute to the
destruction of Jimmy Carter's Presidency in 1980.  Remember these lines:

'And that's the way it is, day 130 of the hostage crisis in Iran'

Every night, Walter Cronkite and CBS news reminded us that Carter had big
trouble.  Every night the media imflamed the situation just tha much more,
making *anyone* other than Carter a desirable President.

The media doesn't show bias in favor of Democrats.  It shows bias against
incumbents.  A sitting President is a much easier target than a moving
candidate.  It's easier to bash Rubbers Bush for screwing up the hurricane
relief effort because it happened on his watch.  Just as Carter received the
blame for starting the hostage crisis by letting the Shah in, Bush gets blamed
for mixed signals to Iraq.

In other words, it's time for the conservative whackos out in net-land to wake
up and realize that the media does indeed stick it to both sides with a
vengance.



|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.clinton
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.211539.25146@cco.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:
>
>>It's common knowledge that many women on welfare choose to have more
>>children for the purpose of getting increased welfare payments.  These
>>are mainly inner-city inhabitants, who don't plan on using much of that
>>money to care for the child, but are glad to take the money.  Such people
>>are often seen driving expensive cars, wearing expensive clothing, etc.
>>Of course it's not all welfare families that do this, it's probably not
>>even a majority of them, but it's a frequent occurrence, and it is common
>>knowledge.
>
>Thank you for that lucid demonstration of the use of one of my 
>favorite oxymorons:  COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

The correct technical term for this on the net is:
	alt.folklore.urban.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244     ----------------------------+
|  There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.     |
|					   --     Mark Twain		      |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:50:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.155723.3187@u.washington.edu>
rons@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ronald Schoenberg) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.140743.21281@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes
>>In article <1992Aug27.220758.879@u.washington.edu> rons@hardy.u.washington.edu(Ronald Schoenberg) writes:
>>>The Soviet Union collapsed because of extensive internal corruption.
>>>This occured partly as a result of very widespread cynicism which
>>>essentially provoked an everybody-for-themselves attitude.  The same
>>>thing could happen here.  For example, we have a tax dodger for
>>>president.
>>
>>	How is Bush a tax dodger?
>>
>>	I've never heard _that_ one before.
>
>Why do you think he keeps a small apartment in Texas that he visits once
>a year?  Gary Trudeau exposed his specious Texas residency for the purpose
>of avoiding taxes in a series of Doonesbury cartoons.  He even published
>a form which you could send to some Texas department which would establish
>your Texas residency so you could avoid taxes too just like George Bush.
>
     It's pretty common for people who have something to lose to state
taxes to play games with their residency.  States like Tennessee and Texas
which don't have income taxes get a lot of people who aren't interested in
paying even more of their income to taxes.

     But tax evasion isn't all that bad.  It's a fine American tradition,
dating back two hundred years.

========================================================================
| David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu                                  |
|             University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education |
========================================================================
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush taking the credit for the fall of communism? (was Re: Clint
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:50:29 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) writes:

> In article <5cLDqB2w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans
> ->
> -> To sum it up, it's sort of the converse of taking credit for the fall of
> -> communism.  In the case of communism, he takes full credit for something t
> -> many people contributed to.  In the case of hurricane relief, he gets the
> -> lion's share of the blame for the slow federal bureaucracy.
>
>       When did Bush take credit for the fall of the USSR?  I
> remember him implying that Republican ideals prevented war until the
> USSR fell under its own weight.
> --
> Jason C. Austin
> j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
>

In his speech last week to the American Legion national convention, he went so
far in taking credit for the fall of communism that many a person hearing it
wondered if even the folks in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union had less to
do with it than Bush and Reagan.



|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:4082 alt.politics.clinton:4042 talk.politics.misc:43754
From: martyg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Email address needed: Rush Limbaugh
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:28:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu


Also, while you are at it, does anyone know the email addresses of
our President, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Perot, Mr. Quayle, etc. etc. etc.?
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: To Stan Knight
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:08:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <mjenkins.715433773@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>Could I please have your e-mail address? I have a reply for you, but I
>want to e-mail it, and "stank@perrault.unet.com" doesn't seem to do
>it. I always get the mail returned. I don't want to retype the whole
>message for purposes of posting it.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mike
I'll galdly discuss anything you want and I agree our current discussion was
getting a bit too long for the net. I'm not sure where you got the above
e-address but the one that will work is:

                     stank@herb.net.com

I look forward to hearing from you.

Stan Knight
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:08:02 GMT

In <1992Sep1.120454.4688@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:

>At least two people in this debate have asked for a definition of promiscuity. 

>Well?  We're still waiting....

>Or is it not as black and white as you first thought?

>-- 
>Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)	   For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
>Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
>Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham

PROMISCUOUS, adj. 1. indiscriminate. 2. having sexual relations with
many people.

Nah, that was easy.
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: Re: Bush/Florida/Hurricane Andrew
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:12:14 GMT

>Hello?  Hello?  The Governor of a state has to FORMALLY ask for help.  That
>means he doesn't just walk up and say "Hi, help."  He has to submit a
>request.  When he did that, Bush sent troops within 24 hours.  The system
>was designed that way so that states kept *some* degree of sovereignty
>(sp?).
 
I deleted the attribution on the assumption that the person who wrote this
doesn't really want to be quoted as sounding like an idiot.

Tell me, why would he have to submit a request BEFORE the federal machinery
was put in motion?  Why wouldn't it be staged and ready to go when it became
obvious that part of the United States was about to be run through a very
large garbage disposal?  Why didn't george react to the Governor's request
by putting one phone down and picking up another to the Commanding General
of the troops involved and just saying "Go."  Why didn't george have a man
standing next to the Governor with a battery-powered radio with satellite
dish to establish communications?  (My people use on of these to contact
a field researcher in a bloody Toyota in Central Africa.)

The only reason I can think of is that he doesn't have a grip on anything 
but the election, much to the detriment of the Southern United States.

One of the talking heads on the news hour tonight said that the unofficial
term for FEMA was "the turkey farm", a home for incompetent pencil-pushers.
Another result of too much Republican administration.

Larry J



-- 
#Larry W. Jewell (ex-USN)     WWII-L Listowner    jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu # 
#"Sunday's horoscope is noteworthy because of its strange, sudden and wholly#
#unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all phases of life." #
#--"Your Horoscope," L.A. Evening Herald Express, Saturday, Dec. 6, 1941.   #
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: NAFTA IS GOOD ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:27:09 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug27.232752.29425@news.Hawaii.Edu>, gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu  writes...
>In article <mjenkins.714857288@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>|> [stuff deleted]
>|> 
>|> Again, at Canadian expense. We spend 125 years building this country,
>|> and its all gonna be stolen to the Rio Grande.
>

I heard from somewhere that your government didn't like the idea (except
for your Prime Minister of course). Can you give me update on the 
Canadian politics concerning the NAFTA?  
> 
>Correction: Rio Bravo del Norte.
> 
>Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)

-Garrett
Garrett@Ingres.com
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Rev Bush at it again
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:36:49 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <BtLCMD.ADJ@phage.cshl.org>, pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) wrote:
> 
> It seems Rev Bush is attacking the Democrats for not containing
> the letters G-O-D in their platform. Bush certainly is willing
> to do anything to get elected, including handing the Replublican
> Party over the Fundies (which hopefully will have the opposite effect).

No more strange than Clinton invoking God at every turn.  Mass prayers on
stage, talking about God when speaking about his draft-dodging days...you
name it.  Hypocrites all around.

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:3169 talk.politics.misc:42326 alt.politics.clinton:3232 alt.politics.elections:11734
From: munck@stars.reston.unisys.com (Robert G. Munck)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: The media will choose the next president
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:24:05 GMT
Reply-To: munck@stars.reston.unisys.com
Organization: DARPA STARS/NATO PCIS

In article <1992Sep3.011904.2388@csl.sri.com>, pcorless@cisco.com (Peter Corless) writes:

> Let's look at it this way: when you build $500 million worth of new bombers,

"Bombers," plural?  You haven't been keeping up with current prices.

I'm not sure what you can do with 2/3's or less of a bomber.
-- 
Bob Munck
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Intellect of Electorate
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:42:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.192046.21733@brtph560.bnr.ca> jsimon@bnr.ca  writes:
>How clever are the electorate of the US?
>
>1.  Independents (non-partisan):	Most intelligent
>					(because of reasoning power,
>				         knowledge and sense of fairness)

You might have a minus, because you cannot vote in some state primaries.


--
"There's one reborn every minute."
		-- Dalai Dan, 153rd Reincarnation of the Lama.