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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:51:46 GMT

macuser@milton.u.washington.edu (Hung Le) writes:
>yes, I think most of the provinces have a
>"English is official in ......" clause.
>Only New Brunswick is officially bilingual
>province.... strange....

I was under the impression that Quebec is officially French, NB is
officially bilingual, and the remaining 8 are *officially* nothing, but are
de facto English.
-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Dominion of Canada (was RE: Political power of provinces)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 05:42:28 GMT

> > Sorry to disappoint you, but Canada is not a Dominium (i.e., a vassal
> > state of the British Empire) anymore.

More precisely, "Dominion" ceased to have this implication of subsidiary
status on December 11, 1931.

> Article 3 of the [1867 constitution] says:
> "...The Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick shall
> form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada;..."
> 
> Neither of these provisions has ever been repealed (let me remind you
> that the 1982 repatriation amended but did not repeal the 1867 act)
> so Canada still is a Dominion.

Right.  But it's the Dominion of "Canada", not "the Dominion of Canada":
Dominion isn't part of the name.  It shouldn't even be capitalized in the
phrase, really, except that it *is* capitalized in the legislation.
-- 
Mark Brader				"Pleasant dreams!"
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto			"I'll dream of Canada."
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com				-- THE SUSPECT

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Xref: sparky can.general:3683 can.politics:5608
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: FLQ (was Re: French/English status after independence)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:24:26 GMT
	<Bs5KyK.3qo@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
	<1992Jul29.162526.2828@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:25:26 GMT, peterd@cc.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) said:
  > Nntp-Posting-Host: expresso.cc.mcgill.ca

  > There were also at least a few people injured by those
  > bombs that we have also forgotten. I remember a column in
  > the Gazette a while back (by Nick auf de Mar) in which he
  > talked about one bomb squad member who was so badly
  > injured that he is still in a chronic care hospital today.

  > We should also remember that when bombs were going off no
  > one had any idea how many people were behind the violence.
  > I would venture to say that even today there are few
  > separatists who would be willing to break windows or
  > spraypaint English signs. Still, it is also true that it
  > is probably unsafe for a merchant in many areas of
  > Montreal to willingly violate the sign laws and not expect
  > violence in the form of graffiti or broken windows.

Note also that, for example, a small company making weird
T-Shirt got their windows smashed. They where displaying a
shirt with "Quebec's sovereign money where the head of the
qUEEN was replaced by something else (I don't remember
what)".

--
  ,                          ,                           ,
Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | Tel: (514)340-5950
sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | Fax: (514)340-4078
Xref: sparky can.general:3417 can.politics:5375
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:50:02 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.220957.24209@pandora.matrox.com>
>	thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:

>>) Fight back       Doesn't work: it just makes them mad.
>Sure it works. Just ask Hydro-Quebec how effective were the efforts of
>Richler and the Native bands, in  making Quebec's tolerance a major
>factor in the cancelling of New York's electricity contract.
>[...]
>Even passive fighting back, like the exodus of the English with their 
>skills and businesses and capital, has its effect. Look at the war zone
>on Rue Ste.  Catharine and the unemployment levels in east-end Montreal,
>and get a taste of things to come. It's going to get worse.

In the present context, the goal is to induce a retreat from aggressive
language policy.  I do not think that the blocking of the Great Whale
project and the damaging of Montreal's economy will necessarily move us
toward that goal.

I want to see Montreal grow, prosper, and kick Toronto's candy-ass! :-)

>>) Terrorize        Immoral.
>The line between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" is fine indeed; look
>at how the Laporte murderers are being excused, even now.
>It's the last refuge of the desparate. Don't count it out...

Now this is ridiculous.  No one condones what Paul Rose et al. did in 1970.
Terrorism is the exploitation of the vulnerability of innocent people for
political ends.  It is easily distinguished, and evil.

--
Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
Newsgroups: can.general
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: Olympic Musing
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:23:28 GMT

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

>As for Olympic spirit, I am very disappointed to see (again, sigh)
>the federal government using the event to promote politics.\
>The advertisement is showing all those Olympic athletes and says
>how great Canada is.  This is crap and abusing the olympic spirit.
>Without Canada, Quebec athletes would say they are representing
>Quebec, that's all.  Olympic spirit is supposedly related to the
>athlete and the individual (or participating team), not to countries
>or political bodies.

 The Olympics being used to promote political points of view? Heavens!
Well, gosh, if the Olympics aren't political I don't know what they
are. They sure aren't about amateur sports anymore. Anyone who still
believes that anachronistic dream hasn't switched on a television in
the last couple of decades. As for the "Olympic spirit" and national
entities, I think I'd disagree. The modern-day Olympic movement is
inherently nationalist, IMHO. It is about *countries* competing in a
non-military framework, and if the odd individual athlete becomes
famous, well...

 Btw, I'm not attacking *you*, Denis. I think that the Olympics is a
seriously overrated orgy of commercialism that actually seems to
believe in the elaborate fantasy that's been constructed around it. I
just wish that people wouldn't pretend otherwise. They'd be a lot more
fun. Either that or have more volunteers like at Calgary, which was
kind of fun...

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Bicycle Helmets
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:36:39 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

gaea@zooid.guild.org (Mother Nature) writes:

> I think bicycle helmets are a great idea, and I think that all "serious"
> bicyclists (defined as bicyclists who do a lot of road riding, racing, or who
> go very fast) should wear one. But I would hate to see them mandatory, it
> would really put a damper on just taking my bike down to the store, or going
> for a leisurely evening ride.

Actually, once you get used to a helmet, you don't feel comfortable without it,
even on a quick ride to the store, or a leisurely evening ride.  I finally got
one, wore it a few times, then felt "naked" riding without it.

Another reason to wear the helmet on short rides is that most accidents
probably happen in the first few minutes of a ride (of any length), as is the
case with motorcycles.  I forget the exact figures, but a large percentage of
serious bicycle injuries (head injuries) happen when the bike is moving slowly
or is standing still.

A bicycle helmet one of those things you think will be uncomfortable, and may
be the first time you try it, but in a very short time you wonder how you got
along without it.  :)

--

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
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Newsgroups: can.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: Olympic Musing
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:16:45 GMT

In article <neilg.712208004@sfu.ca> neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) writes:
> Most of the Canadian [gymnasts] actually appeared to be women. But many
>other athletes appeared to be girls. I mean, *really* young girls -
>they were saying ages like 14 and 15 on the commentary.
> Is it just me, or does anyone else doubt that a child that age is
>going to handle Olympic stresses all that well? ...

 To compete at the world level in women's gymnastics, you practically
 have to do it before biological maturation puts your body
 configuration over the hill.  You should catch some local
 competition on a community cable channel some time and see how
 young they are when they _start_ public competition.  Then think
 about the age at which they started _training_.
 
 Other Olympic musing: my impression of CTV coverage, compared to
 CBC's past performances, is that CTV are a bunch of clowns.
 Their lead-in music has no dignity or excitement, they cut to a
 double commercial break just before Spain entered the stadium at
 the opening ceremonies - fortunately I was able to catch this
 later on the US coverage - they have an anchor person from whom
 (this is a personal opinion only) my first impulse is that I
 wouldn't buy a stereo, and yesterday evening they managed a
 transition from Barcelona background material to a commercial
 that resulted in "Barcelona, city of history, culture, and ...
 the Garage Games."
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:37:56 GMT


>Who do you think you are?  The man from Del Monte?

Hey, that's pretty good!  (Mind if I use that as a tagline ?-)

Nice to see that humour hasn't escaped the discussion.

Edgar
Newsgroups: can.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Seeking a video group
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:39:56 GMT

 I'd like to discuss with the appropriate people some technical
 issues related to television cameras and direction.  Anyone
 (e-mail, please) know of an appropriate group, so I don't
 pollute this one with irrelevant followups?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: celadouc@cayley.waterloo.edu (Chris Ladouceur)
Subject: Re: Olympic Musing
Summary: Age limit  
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:26:37 GMT

In article <neilg.712208004@sfu.ca> neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) writes:
>
> Most of the Canadian athletes actually appeared to be women. But many
>other athletes appeared to be girls. I mean, *really* young girls -
>they were saying ages like 14 and 15 on the commentary.
>
> Is it just me, or does anyone else doubt that a child that age is
>going to handle Olympic stresses all that well? I mean, we all know
>how completely screwed up chronologically mature athletes seem to get.
>But these little kids? (And why did the Canadians tend to be older?)
>
> There oughta be a law...
>
> - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)


I deleted the first paragraph about channel switching, procrastinating...
did the same thing myself.  Anyway, I was watching the diving for about
5 minutes and the commentators (can't remember if it was CTV or NBC) said
that the Chinese divers were 13 and 15 or something like that.

They then went on to say that the IOC put on an age limit for the
olympics.  An athlete has to turn 14 in the year of the olympics to
qualify.

Chris Ladouceur
celadouc@cayley.waterloo.edu
From: CYL5@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CYL5)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Dictionnaire electroniqe
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:51:36 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Salut:
 Je cherche un dictionnaire francais-anglais dans
l'ordinateur (ftp ou diskette).
(I am looking for a french-english or similar dictionary
accessable on a computer from ftp site or diskette).

Merci beaucoup.
Vincent Gomes (CYL5@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA)
Newsgroups: can.francais,soc.culture.french
From: sghose@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sumit Ghose)
Subject: French Rev.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:59:02 GMT

Je seari tres reconnaissant si quelqu'un(e) peut m'aider comprendre deux choses
de la litterature francaise.
1) Qu'est-ce qu'on comprend par 'l'enigme de J.J. Rousseau"?
2) Quelles sont es reaction d'Hugo envers la revolution francaise dans " Le
Quatre-vingt treize"? ( C'est a dire quelles sont les grandes idees).
Ca serait gentil si quelqu'un(e) peut envoyer les reponses a
sghose@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: L'Orthographie
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:41:34 GMT
            <4341@disuns2.epfl.ch>


Suite a mon dernier message au sujet des changements orthographiques,
quelqu'un m'a demande :

>Dans quel numero de 'Economist' avez vous lu cela?

Malheureusement, j'ai coupe l'article d'un numero sans noter la date.
Puisqu'il est court, et au cas ou d'autres s'y interessent, voici le texte :

"Comme vous e'tiez" - The Economist        

"One war, at least, is over. Six weeks after battle was joined over the
proposed `rectification' of French spelling, the resistance fighters appear
to have won the day. The Acade'mie Francaise, that illustrious guardian of
the French language, set up by Richelieu in 1635, last week in effect buried
the reform for which it had voted unianimously nine months earlier.

By 23 votes to six, the Academy decided that the changes in spelling rules -
proposed by a working party of the government-appointed Conseil Supe'rieur
de la Langue Francaise under the chairmanship of the Academy's own permanent
secretary - should not be enforced in any way (not even through school
circulars or inclusion in new dictionaries), but should be made subject to
the `test of time'. The Academy has `reserved the right to confirm or annul'
the changes after an undefined `period of observation'. A happy precedent
already exists: three years ago the Academy agreed to abandon a series of
spelling changes that it had proposed in 1975, but which had never found their
way into common usage.

This time the spelling changes had the backing of the government as well
as the Academy. But the government is unlikely to press ahead with what the
Academy has disavowed. So it looks as if camera-men (rather than the proposed
cameramens) will be able to get on with their work in the Gulf; the beloved
accent on abi^me wil not fall into the abyss; and the whole affair will be
a non-e've'nement."

On voit que l'article etait publie pendant la guerre.

Marc Riese
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
Suisse
From: steve@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (no)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: Librairie d'histoire a Montreal
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:04:05 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

> Un copain de Detroit doit venir visiter Montreal en octobre.
> Il voudrait savoir quelles sont les librairies specialisees en
> livres d'histoire ou qui ont des rayons imposants.
> 
> Je connaissais Classic qui a ferme ses portes suite a une greve il y
> a quelques annees.  Comme je vais rarement au Centreville de Montreal,
> je connais moins les bons endroits ou aller. 
> 
> Alors, si quelqu'un connait des endroits interessants dans ce domaine,
> il est invite a me repondre, ou encore d'envoyer un article.
> 
> Petit commentaire en passant : il semble que certaines villes
> americaines comme Detroit soient pas mal mieux equipees en livres
> d'histoire que Montreal qui est pourtant la 2e ville francophone
> (ou la 3e, Kinshasa etant maintenant 2e, je pense).  Peut-etre une
> question de dispersion : ici, il y a la BNQ, la bibl. de Montreal,
> les ANQ, les Universites de Mtl et McGill qui ont toutes des
> sections historiques interessantes, mais qui se recoupent.  Avec
> moins d'endroits differents, aurions-nous une plus grande variete?
> 
> 
> -- 
>   \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>  /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
> J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
> \_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !

Lorsque ma derniere visite a Montreal, j'ai trouve une bonne librairie a 
anglophone qui s'appelle "Paragraphe" au coin de Mansfield et Maisonneuve? 
(la rue pres de McGill).  Cette librairie possede une grande variete de 
livres (y compris l'histoire).  Elle a l'air d'etre une librairie pour les 
"intellectuals".

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From: riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: L'Orthographie
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:46:20 GMT
            <1992Jul7.102702@siisun.epfl.ch>

Alain Brossard a ecrit:
>Ken Warkentyne writes:
>|> Denis Beauregard:
>|>   They changed some rules in French few years ago.  Particularly,
>|>   forms like al -> aux or ail -> aux accept now al -> als and ail -> ails.
>|> 
>|> Peut-etre au Quebec, mais pas en France si on peut faire confiance
>|> aux journaux francais.

>... n'est-ce pas plutot le contraire?  L'academie francaise a
>passe de nouvelles regles pour simplifier l'usage du francais. 
>... J'ignore
>si la Regie de la Langue Francaise a suivi ce mouvement de simplification.

Francois Audet a ecrit:
> Ces pseudo-changements ont ete effectues
>par l'Academie francaise. De plus, je crois que certains ont ete
>revoques ...
>Ces changements n'ont heureusement jamais ete mis en pratique et servent
>plutot de tentative de justification pour des etudiants qui ont fait
>une faute dans une dictee.

Selon "The Economist" (eh bien, oui!), neuf mois apres avoir vote a 
l'unanimite pour l'imposition des changements proposes, l'Academie Francaise
a vote 23 contre six qu'ils de ne pas les imposer. Apparemment, une 
tentative semblable datant de 1975 a egalement echoue.

Il semble que la meilleure approche soit de rester avec l'usage traditionnelle.
Pour moi, ca fait plus historique et interessant, quoique moins logique, 
moins efficicace, (et donc moins sterile). Comme dit Francois,
on risque moins d'etre corriger, que ce soit correctement ou pas.
C'est un pas comme utiliser l'indicatif apres "apres que". C'est correcte,
mais tout le monde va essayer de te "corriger".
En tout cas, on continuera a dire et ecrire camera-men 
(au lieu de cameramans), abi^me (pas abime), et e've'nement (pas e'venment).

Un tres bon argument pour une orthographe plus logique, c'est la difference
en nombre d'heures que les ecoliers Francais passent a etudier l'orthographe
par rapport a leur voisins europeens. Malheuresement, je n'ai pas les 
chiffres avec moi, mais cela m'a vraiment etonne' : les Francais ont moins 
de temps pour etudier les autres sujets fondamentaux au lycee.

Marc Riese
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: L'Orthographie
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:03:15 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <4345@disuns2.epfl.ch> riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese) writes:
>
>"Comme vous e'tiez" - The Economist        
>
>secretary - should not be enforced in any way (not even through school
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>circulars or inclusion in new dictionaries), but should be made subject to
>the `test of time'. The Academy has `reserved the right to confirm or annul'
>the changes after an undefined `period of observation'. A happy precedent
>already exists: three years ago the Academy agreed to abandon a series of
>spelling changes that it had proposed in 1975, but which had never found their
>way into common usage.
>
>Marc Riese
>Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
>Suisse

Voila pourquoi la reforme des chevals et des bails a echoue.  Il n'y a eu
aucun incitatif dans les dictionnaires, donc ceux qui auraient utilise
la reforme n'ayant pas d'appui ont abandonne.
Voila aussi pourquoi on ne trouve rien a ce sujet.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: can.francais
From: nyelle@ccrs.emr.ca (Norman Yelle)
Subject: liste de mots francais
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:30:53 GMT

Est-ce que quelqu'un pourrait me dire ou je pourrait trouver une
liste de tous les mots du dictionnaire francais.  J'aimerais
avoir un fichier qui contient tous les mots francais.

S'il vous plait me repondre par courier electronique a l'addresse
suivante: nyelle@ccrs.emr.ca

Merci,
-- 
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Canada Centre for Remote Sensing                        --+--      Grace
2464 Sheffield Road, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1A 0Y7     |
  Phone: (613) 952-2794     Fax: (613) 952-9783           |     Romans 1.16
Newsgroups: can.francais,soc.culture.french
From: sghose@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sumit Ghose)
Subject: french lit.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:12:22 GMT

Je seari tres reconnaissant si quelqu'un(e) peut m'aider comprendre deux choses
de la litterature francaise.
1) Qu'est-ce qu'on comprend par 'l'enigme de J.J. Rousseau"?
2) Quelles sont es reaction d'Hugo envers la revolution francaise dans " Le 
Quatre-vingt treize"?
Ca serait gentil si quelqu'un(e) peut envoyer les reponses a
sghose@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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