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From: kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: HELP! Recommend Titles for me to read!
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:31:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


Arrgh!

Every title I read has either gotten cancelled or
some stupid person got a hold of it and started
writing pap for stories.

I am slowly waning down to 3 titles as stuff
gets really stupid.  I know that there is some
good stuff out there, but I haven't seemed to fin
d it.

I used to read Starman, but they switched authors
and it got really bad.  I have a subscription
to L.E.G.I.O.N. but I am quitting it because
the storyline is so bad.  I picked up Spawn
and the Savage Dragon and Spawn looks promising.
I had a subscription to Green Lantern, but that wavers
between being good and really sucking big time, so I 
am dropping it.

I can't get into anythig that requires I collect 
12 titles to follow the storyline adn do major research
on the last 22 years of character devlopments (i.e. the
mutant shit).  I really liked the New Universe, but I
guess no one else did, huh?

The last stuff that I read that I really liked was
Maus and the Batman stuff about 1-2 years ago
(year one, year two, the KGBeast)  But then Batman
seemed to get too hyped and the writing and art went to
the waist-side.

So, knowing my tastes, what titles would you recommend
I collect since I am going back to school
relatively soon and will not have time to browse around
the comic stores for new titles?

TSM

P.S.  Please email your response.  I am going to be
without net for the next two weeks, so I will not be able
to read your response.  THANKS!!
--
"Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and that when
they fail to do this they become dangerously structured dams that block
the flow of social progress." -  Martin Luther King, Jr
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: MISC: Of Squids and Computers
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:08:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.222712.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Jor-Elmo) writes:
>	It occurs to me upon Suicide Squid's appearance in the favorite
>character list of the CBG fan awards, that someone from this group should
>probably submit an explanatory article to CBG.  Choice bits of the SS archive

Working on it already. I'm doing one on the Squiddies, Alternative Squiddies,
and the GEnie Thunderbolt Comics Awards and of course will need to explain
r.a.c. and Squiddy.

Side note: now that I've seen the CBG with the results, it may be worth noting
that Suicide Squid received one less vote than Archie Andrews and 11 fewer
than Betty Cooper. Squiddy finished in 26th place in the Favorite Character
category.

"The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Booster Gold
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:59:14 GMT

Booster also fulfilled the other part of his 'destiny' by getting Rip Hunter's 
help in going back to his own time.  The confirmation that time travel was 
possible, along with the info he picked up in the 25th Century, enabled Rip to 
make (will enable him to make?) the time machine Booster stole.
     Dave Van Domelen, avoiding Digamma Functions
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From: dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Pahnos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:12:08 GMT
	<l6prmgINNh5e@pollux.usc.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 21-Jul-92 Re: DC--Crisis
Inconsistencies Abhijit Khale@pollux.usc (2834)

> Okay, to make some sense out of this, you have to assume that there were two
> waves of reality change at least. The first one happened after the big bang
> at issue 10's end. After that, the world was remade and everyone not at the
> End of Time forgot what happened. But this reality still had people who remem-
> bered the multiverse, Earth-2 etc. Luthor was still the mad scientist, and not
> the Kingpin clone. The second wave remade the Unierse and altered everyone's
> memories as well. Luthor, Superman, Diana etc. were remade. In last Days,
> the JSA still had this memory, but lost it while in Ragnarok. Later ways of
> reality change remade Hawkman (yes, I know this is really bogus). 

Not as bogus as you would think:

In the last issues of All-Star Squadron, there is the story line
involving Mekanique, the robot from the far future.  In the course of
the story, it is shown that she alone is holding back the wave (as a key
to a lock) from the dawn of time  of retcon.  The way it was presented
was ingenious, with a team picture being taken on the first page, and
the team picture itself being presented to the president, with all of
the changes from pre- to -post causing the difference in the picture.  

If you think of the universe in multi-dimensional ways, there is a fifth
dimension of time, which the "wave" traveled on.  That accounts for all
of the post-crisis inconsistincies (like crisis 11 and 12).  Hawkman was
a ripple, and hopefully one of the last.

What is happening in Legion is much more complicated.  A bunch of waves
crashing into one another.


michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
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From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Sue Richards
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:18:08 GMT

Why do they keep drawing Sue Richards with this short, punk hairdoo?
I'm sick of it!

------------
Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crisis on Infinite Earths, 6 years later
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:56:00 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Jul28.235952.1421@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
[not very interesting] 
>
>I wasn't saying that Blue Devil ever was in a League book, but that
>The History of the DC Universe had a team shot of the new League and I
>seem to remember Blue Devil being pictured in it.  Obviously a
>decision was made after HotDCU to not include BD in the JL* (if I'm
>even remembering things correctly).

   I checked my copy.  Blue Devil gets a one-panel head shot, listing
   him as an independent.  Not in any way listed as being affiliated
   with JL*.


--
 Thomas White          | Happy |  
 Austin, Texas         | Happy |  When you say words a lot 
                       |  Joy  |  they don't mean anything. 
 twhite@mozart.amd.com |  Joy! |                -- Del
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Try _THE DEMON_
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:11:42 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone read _The Demon_?  If not give it a try>
It has quietly become one of the better titles around.

The current story line is particularly good in this
election year.  People who have dropped LSH recently
might want to give it a try.

BTW, anyone wishing to reply directly to this post should
direct the messages to mac7@po.cwru.edu as the charyma
address will cease to be valid at 4pm 7-31.
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From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Neal Adams Checklist
Reply-To: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:57:24 GMT


Neal Adams also did the artwork on the Twilight Zone Premiere 
issue, "Crazy as a Soup Sandwich" with Harlan Ellison.


Steve A.
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:32:47 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Crisis
	<1992Jul24.080634.1502@midway.uchicago.edu>

Re: Crisis


THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO RETCON EVERYTHING UNITL
THE VERY END.

The original idea was that everyone was going to remember everything
about everyone (except perhaps the general populace).  It was then
decided (at the time of production for chapter 11) to have the amnesia
start taking effect for some characters, and not until the very end of
12 did they decide that everyone was going to have amnesia.

For all those you think that crisis was a total disaster, I offer you
this:  half the fun of writing comics is explaining the impossible,
creating the logic behind illogic, and creating consistantcy where there
is none.  DC comics had fifty years of total chaos.  

For those complaining how long it is taking to finish the post-crisis
retcons, don't think the creative process works *on demand*
From: gls2windmill.att.com (Colonel Sicherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 33
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:01:28 GMT
Organization: Jack of Clubs Precision Instruments Co.

In <1992Jul18.164219.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov writes:
> 
> Page 6 panel 4:  Cotton comes from cotton plants.  Wool comes from sheep.
> What the heck is "old fashioned cotton wool"?

A woolly substance made of cotton that hasn't been woven into cloth.
It's good for dressing wounds and stuffing aspirin bottles.

> Page 9 panel 2:  Raymond Chandler was a pioneer in the hard-boiled detective
> style, and _The Long Goodbye_ is one of his greater works.

And it turns on a question of identity, and explores what it means in human
relationships.

> 	Panel 3:  Where does the "innocence" remark come from?

The convention is that _ignorance_ of the law is no excuse.

> Page 14-15:  I have no idea what Hazel's dream means.  Obviously, it
> comes from her anxiety over her pregnancy, but I don't see any source
> for the images.

A woman's anxiety over pregnancy usually starts many years before pregnancy!
But to trace the images you would probably have to look in George's library.

> Page 21 panel 1:  Note Luz's gender, ...

"Luz" is Spanish for light, and is grammatically feminine.

-:-
	"Excuses are no excuse!"

			--Colonel Knowledge
-- 
G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Marvel buys Fleer
Keywords: Marvel, cards,
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.123343.9796@news.columbia.edu> csw9@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher S Wang) writes:
>I read in the paper sometime this weekend that Marvel bought Fleer (the
>card company for those that don't know.) Unfortunately I think that this means
>that Marvel is probably going to expand its trading card line (if that's
>possible.)

Maybe they will include a different X-Force comic with each pack of
cards, and the fanboys will have to buy the entire set of cards 10 times
to get each magazine.
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: New Titans #90
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:35:11 GMT

Personally I laughed my head off when Mirage came to rescue Carrie and
handed her the new costume complete with custom jewelry...what is Tara a
complete fashion consultant????   

Its amazing before that no one considered gliders for NightWING...though they
are way to small for flight....

I am sorry to say it....I now like Pantha...Oh the shame, but she has such
a smart mouth :)

-- 
  "If the best things in life are free, then my current price is
   $37k with a 10% downpayment."

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Incredible Hulk #397
Keywords: hulk marvel
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:44:06 GMT

Yeah, that caption must have slipped from another page.  Else they originally 
planned to put some of the Rick&Ma plot in that position and moved it later, 
just forgot to remove the Klyplzym (Ambush Bug injoke).
     Hey, Hulk stuck the lead pipe in X-Ray's *brain*, Dani.  Tell he *you* 
wouldn't be impeded by a lead pipe in the brain.  I think the lead angle was 
just that anything else would likely burn or disintigrate before doing serious 
harm to eX-Ray.
     Dave Van Domelen, aka Sangfugol
From: news@tamsun.tamu.edu (Read News)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Just wondering...
Date: 28 Jul 1992 01:47:39 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Jul27.200944.5508@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>OK, I got a question here:
>
>If Superman fought Dr Manhattan (the blue guy in Watchmen),
>Who would win?
>
>I imagine Manhattan would kick his ass.
>
>
>
>Steve A.

If i understand Dr. Manhattan's powers correctly, he could rearrange 
Superman's molecules into nothingness before Superman even had a 
change to react. But that's no fun - let Rorschach loose on him!!

lizard
From: jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: MISC: CBG Awards results
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:21:18 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

Once again, I'm not saving these, so do so now if you want to keep a copy.

Favorite Writer

236 Neil Gaiman
223 Peter David
142 Chris Claremont
81 John Byrne
59 Fabian Nicienza
45 Jim Shooter
44 Jim Starlin
40 Marv Wolfman
29 Alan Grant
29 Frank Miller


Favorite Penciller

375 Jim Lee
79 Todd McFarlane
58 John Byrne
47 Dale Keown
47 Rob Liefeld
47 Whilce Portacio
43 Barry Windsor Smith
42 Ron Lim
42 George Perez
27 Alan Davis


Favorite Inker

259 Scott Williams
119 Art Thibert
81 Terry Austin
71 Mark Farmer
43 Mark Texeira
32 Bob Layton
32 Todd McFarlane
27 Al Vey
24 Klaus Janson
22 Randy Emberlin


Favorite Colorist

235 Joe Rosas
137 Steve Oliff
110 Gregory Wright
98 Glynis Oliver
60 Paul Mounts
51 Daniel Vozzo
41 Tom McCraw
38 Janet Jackson
37 Barry Grossman
32 Adrienne Roy

Jon Purvis
jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:53:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Rick Jones writes:

His tribute to Plan 9 from Outer Space: "You're all morons, 
	I tell you!  Morons!"

And then says...

>>	Of course, this can always be traced to the fact that Keith & Tom &
>>Mary & Michael are all morons.
>
>	Nah, not morons, they just can't plot for sh*t.  The characterization,
>IMHO (flames in email) is spot on.  The big problem, IMHO, is the pacing.
>If they spilt the title, so that 1/2 the issue was plot advancing, and the
>other half was the character studies they like, then it'd be better.
>	What they need is an editor.

Yep... even better, I think they need to get rid of Tom and Mary and 
Then get an editor.  The TM effects is leaving me very cold.


Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Incredible Hulk #397
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 05:46:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: hulk marvel

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen):
>     Hey, Hulk stuck the lead pipe in X-Ray's *brain*, Dani.  Tell he *you* 
>wouldn't be impeded by a lead pipe in the brain.  

I'm not immaterial, or so I prefer to think. 

>I think the lead angle was just that anything else would likely burn or 
>disintigrate before doing serious harm to eX-Ray.

If I wanted a substance that could stand considerable abuse, I wouldn't
choose lead.  The closest thing to a handwave I can come up with for this
scene is that the lead blocked those x-rays which were X-Ray's substitutes
for nerve impulses within X-Ray's substitute for a brain.  I like the
voodoo-science interpretation better.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
   recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: DC/CHARLTON: Booster Gold
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:35:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.211915.293@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.162001.17497@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <3055@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>>>a useless putz and woman chaser and of course Dan Jurgens, 
>>>Booster Gold's creator, has restored Booster's characterization as well.

>>Has Jurgens been around that long?  I didn't pay much attention to the
>>Charlton books (at least not that one), but I didn't know Jurgens
>>created Booster in the first place.  Did he create any of the other
>>Charlton originals?  I know he didn't create the Beetle, he goes back
>>a ways.
>
>BOOSTER GOLD was *not* a Charlton series.  Dan Jurgens created it for DC.

OK, I got several messages on this, so, hey, I believe it.  But... there
*was* a guy with a dollar sign on his chest, and the "Dollar Bill" in
Watchmen was a take on this guy.  So, the obvious question is "who was
that masked man".  Sorry, couldn't resist that one, but does anyone know?

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
Death is for the living, life is for the dying      
This is not a life, it is only a test.  Had this been a real life, you
would have been instructed as to where to go, and what to do.
   g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................

 
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Claw )
Subject: Re: Reality Gem.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:16:08 GMT

In article <Bs5MCJ.88K@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.215111.24579@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes...
>
>>How do you know it's not Thanos?  I think it's pretty damn obvious that it's 
>>Thanos, myself.
>
>Ssssssuuuurrrrrreeeee!  And why don't they make Dr. Doom leader of the free
>world, too, since they're feeling so suicidal?  I think the guy that predicted
>that the "good Warlock" would get the reality gem was right on.

First of all, it CAN'T be the "good warlock" because Warlock gave away the
gems before he knew of the existence of the Magus or the "good side" of 
himself. He would hardly have recognized his good half and given a gem
away to him. Secondly, Marvel IS suicidal, as Dr. Doom has become leader
of the world, as in the Graphic Novel "Emperor Doom". Did a really good
job of running things, too if I remember correctly. IMHO, the identity
of the last holder of a gem will be a really cheesy letdown, and if
those maniacs at Marvel think they can stretch this storyline out even
farther with "Infinity Crusade" they are out of their minds!

-p. minutillo
>
From: goerz@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas R Goerz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Flash vs Superman (was Re: <mumble>)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:40:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>Wally beat Superman in a foot-race!
>
>The 3 races between Superman and the Flash
>were in Flash, Superman (I forgot in which order) and
>DC Comics Presents #1.
>
Close, I guess there were four!!! WoW.  And you're right about DCP #1 just 
forgot what story where.

>The first was a foot race om Earth - both were limiting
>their speed - control was the issue.
>It was a tie - intentionally.
An old Jim Shooter story in Superman
>
>The second was in space and Flash ran on a platform
>generated by a amulet from the Guardians.
>Flash won in a crawl to the finish - literally

This one was in World's Finest when Supes was swapping partners.  A 2 parter!

>The third was across space and time.
An old Flash issue.  Even had the JLA as guests.  Villians were Prof Zoom and 
Abra Kadabra possing as Sorban & Rokk the alien gamblers.
>
>Fourth was the Race through time.
Seen in DC Present #1 & #2

That's about it (I think....)

Chad 
on Toms account
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Justice Society #1 : BUY IT
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Jul20.170903.107556@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>I rarely plug books on the net (the last one I did was Ray #1), but Justice
>Society #1 is a GREAT first issue.  This is a well written story, with some
>real 'golden-age feel' artwork.  This story will become REAL interesting when
>the original heros meet their modern counterparts.

>I definitely recommend picking this up...

I thought it was a very mixed bag, but on the whole enjoyable.  (I probably
would have found it far less so if it had been printed on something other -
and more expensive - than newsprint. :-)

I was irritated by the change in costumes for a *retirement party* (Hawkman,
Hawkgirl, Starman and The Atom all altered their costumes for the occasion;
go figure).  I also didn't care for the artists' renditions of The Flash,
The Atom or Johnny Thunder.  On the other hand, he draws a *mean* Green
Lantern, and also a good Hawkman.

I thought the story was pretty lightweight; a prologue more than anything
else, really.  I still think it's peculiar that they haven't dealt with
the reunions with former JSA members, such as Power Girl and Doctor Fate
(I hope we will see a major Doctor Fate story soon, as he's been an integral
part of the JSA since their Silver Age revival), as well as, say, Starman's
reaction to the Star Spangled Kid's death and Hawkman's to his son's death
(and Lyta Hall's current predicament).  Perhaps we'll see all this sometime
in the future, but it seems unlikely as several months of time have already
passed since their return.

Time will tell what the series will shape up to be like.  But there's
promise here.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I am a cat, and I keep my own counsel."
					- "A Dream Of A Thousand Cats"
From: dimshftr@netlink.cts.com (Adam Tow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: San Diego Comic-Con
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:44:21 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


        I heard a rumor that William Shatner would be attending on
Saturday (August 15) for a brief time at the 23rd San Diego Comic Con;
can anyone either confirm or deny this rumor? E-mail replies preferred,
but posts okay too. Thanks...

-adam

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