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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Vestkusten
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:23:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple

Hi, took some time before I got the latest number of Vestkusten, the
magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.

The subscription rates are:
1 year - $23
2 years - $40

Provide name, address, city, phone and a cheque to:
Vestkusten
237 Ricardo Road
Mill Valley, CA 94941

They also want to know if you speak Swedish, or at least a little bit.
Note that the magazine has articles in both Swedish and English.

Hope that helps, I'm just a happy subscriber, and my mother-in-law
is not working for this magazine.

Kent

	Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to	investigate. -F.M.
Knowles
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
From: kimmel@cortex.sai.vtt.fi     (Jyrki Kimmel)
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland (VTT/SAI)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:07:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.163819.10139@hellgate.utah.edu> lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette) writes:
>Does anyone have any more information about the following?

I bet my kids would have more to say about this than what I do...

>
>The fall issue of Scandinavian Review has an article by Annika H{llsten about
>an upcoming animated series featuring the Moomintroll family (Mumitroll in
>Swedish).
>The 78-episode series cost USD four million to make under the direct
>supervision of Tove and her brother Lars, who does the Moomintroll comic strip.
>According to the article, it's now one of the most popular shows in Japan,
>where it was made and premiered.  It has been sold to more than 100 countries
>and "may be coming to American television screens this fall."  Tove Jansson
>thinks the series is well made, although she did have some violence cut.

Yes, the series has been on since January, I believe, in Finland.
I agree that it is well made in that the graphics are clean, colours
are mellow, and the original Moomin way of life comes across very
well. Some episodes are directly made fom the Moomin books, some
are original stories. "Comet in Moominvalley", the first book,
is being made into a full animated movie. 

I wonder which network is going to air this series. It is definitely not a
crash-boom-bang type of cartoon! Maybe PBS, or HBO? Finally a truly
significant reason to lease cable...

>For those of you in r.a.animation, the Moomintrolls aren't what Americans tend
>to associate with the word troll, but the civilized, refined, hairless
>descendants of those early primitive trolls.

One correction: reliable sources state that moomins HAVE hair - it
is just fuzz, though. ("Comet in Moominvalley")

Incidentally, the usual Moomin paraphernalia that has come out
since the launch of the series in Finland is made of fuzzy
plush fabric. No plastic fighting figures this time. 

Jyrki

PS. Best greetings to Lee from the first blizzards in Finland!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:42:12 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Stein" == Stein J|rgen Rypern (steinry@ifi.uio.no)

Stein>   It is with great regret I have to tell you that we yesterday,
Stein> october 10th 1992, at approximately 10pm, lost an important
Stein> part of our cultural heritage - "the great main airport debate (tm)".

Ah, I'm sorry to hear that, but do not despair. Here in the slightly
warmer south we have a project with an even longer history of debates,
committees, ideas, changes, started then abandoned constructions,
parliament decisions, etc. -- "The Great Storebaelt Bridge Project (TM)". 

This project is truly part of our cultural heritage, it is the basic
plot of a number of novels, and it has kept uncountable numbers of
people occupied for years. Some years ago the nation was in shock when
it was decided to actually start a constructions project and worse,
people started doing something about it.

After a time we where relieved to find that all was not lost, in fact
the situation had improved a good deal. The addition of practical
construction work, contracts with constructions companies and groups
of companies, involvement of workers unions and more all add endless
variations and possibilities without taking away or limiting the
options for political intrigue.

The Great Storebaelt Bridge Project (TM) has managed to surpass our
wildest expectations, building *both* tunnel and bridge because it was
too hard to decide on one in favour of the other, making the
constructions project a matter of international politics by being in
conflict with EC law, by deciding on a high-bridge for no good reason
but the fact that political figures believe it looks good, by deciding
on the wrong type of tunnel, making equipment fail, flooding the
construction site, and not the least by giving endless opportunities
for ministers and parliament members to look even sillier than usual
-- we all have fond memories of the minister of traffic and
transportation that, when asked in TV why we needed the bridge at all
(this was after the first EC scandal had surfaced) sat speechless for
some 30 seconds and finally managed to say "We'll be able to bring
fresh milk from Fyn to Copenhagen in the morning".

Judging from the good news received from the construction site, we
have all reason to believe that they will continue to work on this for
many years to come and that it is in fact not unreasonable to hope
that the project will never finish. The political and committee work
will, of course, go on.

So, don't worry -- be happy. I wish you good luck and an interesting
project.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: poplan@registry.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Handball - Stavanger SIF
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:54:15 GMT
Organization: Office of the Registry, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: admin.registry.adelaide.edu.au


Several weeks ago I asked for help locating a friend in Stavanger. Thanks to
those who gave me help, but I couldn't get hold of him. 
What I would like to know, then, if anybody in Norge knows (and I'm sure they
do) is how Stavanger SIF went in the Hanball last season and how they're
looking for the next one. I think the next season is just starting. No-one
in Australia has heard of hanball, so there is no news. Sorry, there are
four teams in Melbourne I think.
My friend is Per Kr Michelsen who played for SIF. He was having trouble
with his knees a few years ago, but still a good player. Any news?
Tusen tak.
Mikel Rev
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:54:51 GMT
	<1992Oct10.191503.19376@kth.se>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


Tomas> We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of
Tomas> porridge (*) so perhaps he just had a hard time distinguishing
Tomas> between "ayrian" and "ayrab". :-) 

Just as s Swede talks just like he just had 6 Carlsberg Elephant. In
fact I would believe that the Carsberg's might affect the ability to
understand what people say rather much. Do you believe that all Danes
look sort of blurred, too?

Tomas> Or else he thought (assuming these fellows know how to think --
Tomas> skinheads with more hair than brain are rather common (-:) "The
Tomas> jews are my enemies, and the palestinians are the enemies of
Tomas> the jews; ergo the palestinians are my friends!"

Ah, skinhead != nazi. True, the two sets have a non-empty
intersection, but they are not equal. The man in question is, I
believe, not a skinhead. I don't know if it makes a difference as far
as his mental abilities go.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: M.A.Nummenen(spesific) Finnish music(in general)
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:16:34 GMT

jaaw@itk.unit.no (Jan Aage Walseth) writes:
: I hope somebody out there can help me. I'm looking for information
: about M.A. Nummenen (MAN)(do not know if the initials are right), a finnish
: composer/singer/performer. He had a performance at the Molde Jazz
: Festival this year, and he's given out an LP/CD where the sings
: Wittgensteins Tractatus, and rumor tells that he did a tour of Finland
: this summer (Nummenen sang accompanied by banjo).  Hope that this pins
: out this artiste extraoridnare.

M.A. Numminen in the beginning of his career for instance was thrown
out from the Jyvaskyla Summer Festivals in the 60's because he sang
verses in his programme from the army guide-book " How to make a horse
clean", and verses from a SexGuide.

He also made parody of the Winther War which is a sin in Finland.
jarmo
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: drs@cci632.cci.com (Dale R. Seim)
Subject: Amundsen's ship
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:55:27 GMT


I am looking for the correct pronunciation of the name of the
ship that the explorer Amundsen used, the "Gjoa".  The letter 'o'
should have an umlaut, those two dots, over it.

As I understand it, Amundsen used the ship during his exploration
of the Northwest Passage in 1906.  I also have some questions on the
exploration itself:

What were the exact dates of the exploration?
How many persons were aboard?
What sort of provisions were taken?
What was the size of the ship?  Was it only sail-powered?
Does the ship still exist?  Where is it?

Does anyone have similar information for the failed Franklin
expedition of the 1800's attempted by the UK?

Why did it take till the 20th century to map that region of
North America?  Are there other reasons than it was just a cold, 
barren, inhospitable place, being frozen over most of the year, etc.

Thank you for any help you can provide for the pronunciation
or the other details.

Dale R. Seim			drs@cci.com
Northern Telecom 	Network Applications Systems Division
97 Humboldt Street
Rochester,NY  14609  USA	716-482-5000
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: The latest about the lion
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:07:11 GMT

H. Vaisanen (hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi) wrote:
: 
: This was published in the local Joensuu newspaper Karjalainen,
: 10 Oct 1992. Copied without permission.
: 
: 
: THE RUOKOLAHTI LION HAS NOT BEEN SEEN IN THE AUTUMN
: 
: The lion was seen three times last summer, and Mr Nyholm found her
: pawprints in the area.
: 
Using a spoon you can make nice pawprints on the sand. By using
smaller spoons one can make pawprints of a baby lion, with a 
bigger spoon you can get pawprints of more dangerous adult lions.

: Last summer, while visiting Finland, the chief of the Zoological
: Laboratory in Petroskoi [this is spelled something like Petrodzavosk
: in English, I think :-] University, Pyotr Ivan Danilov, told that in
: May Petroskoi Radio had broadcast warnings about the escaped lion, and
: the villagers in Miinala [in Russia] had fed the lion.

Do you know how heavy vodka consumers the russians are (and the Finns).
Is it sure that they did not feed the lion in a drunken condition?
Also along the news a snow man was seen in Karelia last winther.
If you drink for some weeks you can see him too.
Suspicious still,
jarmo 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Swedish parliament open for the season
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:29:57 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Oct8200517@bast.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.184237.15126@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
> (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
>
>   >(*) The question about "freedom of information" has surfaced lately, as 
>   >something which can create controversy. The Swedish version of this is 
>   >different from the anglosaxon countries where the term is used.
>
>  You mean American, surely. There is nothing in Britain corresponding to
>the Freedom of Information Act. On the contrary, in Britain, by the
>"Official Secrets act" everything is secret, unless explicitly declared
>non-secret.

Australia also has something that's called "freedom of information". The 
key point was that Swedish "freedom of information" differs from what is 
called "freedom of information" in those English-speaking countries 
where something called "freedom of information" exists.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: CBURMAN@finabo.abo.fi ()
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Organization: The Clam of Reason Ltd.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:22:11 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Oct16.113151.11637@abo.fi> NHULDEN@finabo.abo.fi writes:

> > In article <73424@apple.Apple.COM>, minow@Apple.COM (Martin Minow) wrote:
> > > It should be pointed out that Swedish TV broadcast a "human" series based
> > > on Jansson's Muumintroll characters. As I recall, the actors were primarily
> > > from the Swedish theater in Helsingfors. It was *very* faithful to the
> > > original. The series was broadcast in 1975 or thereabouts.
> > 
> The most *unfaithfull* thing in the series happened when the moomins removed
> their heads (masks) so that you could actually see the actors faces - a some-
> what strange scene.

More than strange... it's been haunting me. I was almost certain that I 
somehow confused the Moomin series with some horrible parody. 

How did the story go? Something about the king ordering them to take their 
noses off because he was allergic to big noses, or the hay they were 
stuffed with?


Chris Burman, cburman@abo.fi
From: bentson@CS.ColoState.EDU (Randolph Bentson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway losing Freia
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:50:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <Bw0s65.1n4.1@cs.cmu.edu> blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn) writes:
>I have read recently that Philip-Morris, the huge US tobacco firm, is
>planning on buying (or has bought) Freia-Maribou, the best chocolate company
>in the universe.  The shareholders have apparently voted to allow more than
>1/3 foreign ownership of Freia.
>
Shortly after I toured the factory near(in?) Oslo in 1969, I heard that
a U.S. chocolate firm (Hershey?) owned a significant share of Freia.
This posting suggests that my informant was wrong.  Who knows for sure?


-- 
    Randolph Bentson                 Colorado State University
    bentson@grieg.CS.ColoState.Edu   Computer Science Department
    303/491-5792                     Ft. Collins, CO 80523
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Swedish parliament open for the season
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Oct8.184237.15126@kth.se>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.184237.15126@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
   The question about "freedom of information" has surfaced lately, as 
   something which can create controversy [In relation to EC/EES].
   The Swedish version of this is 
   different from the anglosaxon countries where the term is used. 
   Basically, any document which is recieved or created by a Swedish 
   authority (state or local) is public, unless it's classified as secret, 
   which is not allowed except for very specific reasons. Any citizen have 
   the right to access these public documents, without having to answer the 
   "why" question. (And basically without cost or delay.) E.g. you can read 
   applications for a state job (interesting to judge the competition if you 
   applied yourself), or you can find out the salary of *any* public-
   employed person (such as me). There is a possibility that this freedom 
   will be less liberal, but as I understand it this is still somewhat 
   unclear. I hope we can keep things as they are, because I'm a curious 
   person, and I have used these rights on occasion.

From what I have understood there are two problematic areas:

1) The EC commission itself has a well developed system for
classifying documents, where most of the stuff have some sort of
security classification. Sweden may be (will be?) forced by the EES
treaty to apply similar security classification to any document that
relates to EES issues.

2) The EC has (or has decided to have) a greater degree of secrecy for
public documents with information about individuals. Such documents
would be released only if the "benefit" of releasing them would
outweigh the "damage" that the individual could suffer. The authority
holding the document decides if this is the case. Apart from the very
great possibility of not getting the documents, it means that the
"why" question will have to be answered in every case. The person
requesting the information will also, in practise, have to identify
himself. I don't think the EES treaty will force Sweden to apply the
same measures, but an EC membership would. Swedish investigating
journalists are not at all happy about this.

In principle, all issues such as these would be subject to negotiation
when the Swedish EC membership application is processed. However, it
seems that the current Swedish cabinet has no plans to question any of
the current EC regulations.
--
Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
From: enasby@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Financial Aid in Norway?
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:55:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: guvax.1992Oct15.105516.1479
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

I am a graduating senior pursuing an opportunity to study at BI 
Sandvika next year, but looking at the cost of the program, I am 
frantically searching for scholarships, fellowships, ... in short, 
accessible cash.  I applyed for a Fullbright grant, but I don't find 
out until January, therefore I am looking for alternate sources.  If 
you have received a similar grant or if you merely know of one, please 
send me a message about it.
From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Arthur Sparrendahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark mm
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:00:32 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <FISCHER.92Oct11195451@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
|> Tomas>... so perhaps he just had a hard time distinguishing between "ayrian" and "ayrab". :-) 
|> Tomas> Or else he thought (assuming these fellows know how to think --
|> Tomas> skinheads with more hair than brain are rather common (-:)
	EXTRA!	Jag har utfunderat hemligeten. Paa skinheads va"xer haaret inaat.
		Detta omo"jliggo"r klippning varfo"r det snart inte finns plats 
		fo"r annat a"n haar.
|> Tomas> "The jews are my enemies, and the palestinians are the enemies of
|> Tomas> the jews; ergo the palestinians are my friends!"

	Ahmed Rami har enligt uppgift utla"ndska fonder som bland annat
	rela"as till riktiga nynassar. Fo"rmo"gna Turkiska privatpersoner
	skall vara bland bidragsgivarna. Det kanske finns en koppling 
	till Graa Vargarna. Min gissning a"r att med pengarnas makt, 
	tidigare invandrarfientliga organisationer kan komma att konverteras 
	till antisemitiska. De som har ba"ttre information kan kanske posta 
	den om det finns in3sse	av att sprida ljus o"ver saadant.

EXPLENATION
	This posting is about what I consider a major national
	embarresement. I'm writing in Swedish in order to keep 
	in the family.
	
Arthur
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:29:44 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct8.084959.11495@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:
>My Guesses: Man who marries:     75%    Man who doesn't marry:   0.9%
>            Woman who marries:   95%    Woman who doesn't marry: 0.5%
>             ["Marries" means marries an Islamic person.]

  Taking into account that Islam is an extremely patriarchic religion, it is
likely that persons having that religion will lay more weight to decisions
comming from the male half of the marriage. Combine this with the fact that
it is a sin for an Islamic woman to marry a non-Islamic man, any Islamic women
that would even ocnsider marrying a non-Islamic man is likely to take religion
lighter than the average Islamic woman and is unlikely to require the man to
change.

  (Short form: I think the percentage after 'Man who marries' should be lower,
possibly on the order of 25% to 50%. Btw, the number after 'Woman who marries'
should probably be below 50% before they have children and above 75% 
afterwards.)

  But I suspect that the number of such marriages are extremely low, due to
the influence of the womans family (sending daughters abroad to marry a 'good
Islamic man' isn't that unusual).

>Does anyone know [...] ?

  No, but knowledge isn't required for an opinion on usenet:)

>This calls for four more figures: the number
>of single Islamic (men/women) in Scandinavia and the percentage of
>single Islamic (men/women) who marry non-Islamic Scandinavians.  Does
>anyone have any of these numbers?  I won't even guess.

  I'm not certain that such numbers exist.

>doug foxvog     

-bertil-
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From: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Norway losing Freia
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:48:00 GMT
Reply-To: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli)
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18


Bruce Horn writes:
>BH> Well, "brings in" just means that 9 billion NKr. change hands.  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My point was that when Norsk Hydro and other Norwegian Freia share
holders sell out to Philip-Morris, Norway imports foreign capital.
The money will be available for other projects, and we can only
hope that it
will be invested in something productive and profitable on
Norwegian soil.

Bjorn.
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