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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Strength of Southern Conference (was I-AA vs. I-A)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:41:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.180618.17713@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washingto
n.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>A lot of people are trashing the ACC for losing to Southern Conference teams.

>>I think the shoe is on the wrong foot: the Southern Conference is very strong
.
>>I have mentioned before that of all IAA conferences, the Southern could
>>become a legitimate IA league, and this is being discussed, mainly for
>>financial reasons.
>
>The Southern conference does not exactly own the IAA championship trophy.
>The Big Sky is strong, the Southland is strong, and the Gateway is getting
>strong.  Even if the Southern may be the best of these four, it's not the
>best by miles.

Don't forget that Ga Southern is joining next year.  I think that gives them a 
lock on most IAA championships won by members AND number of championship game 
appearances by memebers--will be more than all the other conferences combined, 
I think.
>>PDunn

>GT

PDunn
From: carley1560@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:19:13 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Aug27.165523.8123@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, joconnor@evax10.eng.fsu.edu (JAMES P O) writes:
> 	There was a program back on Tuesday night that featured the great 
> coaches of the "Big 3" here in Florida. And one interesting thing they talked 
> about was paying the players. (BTW everyones favorite college football 
> commentator was hosting this show: Ol' Beano). Bobby was up first and said
> that school ought to pay thier players for these reasons:
>    -All of thier tuition, books, housing is paid for by scholarships
>    -To keep juniors from entering the NFL draft
>    -Big schools like UM, UF, and FSU have the funds
>    -The kids need misc money to do stuff on weekends, they get bored being
>     stuck at a dorm. 100 bucks a month should be enough "petty cash"
> Erickson and Spurrier both agree to paying the players. They added that 
> it should cut a big portion of NCAA rules that affect high profile, high
> profit schools. GET RID OF THE RED TAPE!!
> 
> 
> James O'Connor                    DUKE BLUE DEVILS
> Mech Engineering                         VS
> FAMU/FSU College of Engineering  >>>----NOLES---->
> JOCONNOR@EVAX10.ENG.FSU.EDU        SEPT 5    7:00





What's Bowden gonna do when the Gators send him home crying again?
From: brook@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov) (Mike Brookover)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford vs A&M
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:18:58 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.


> 
>Get real.  That play by Frazier was great!  It wasn't interferance,
>and his hand was clearly under the ball for the INT (despite what the
>idiot game announcers said).

As an Aggie, I have to disagree...it was interference and it was not a legit
interception.  I'll take what I can get though.

mgb
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <66850@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes...
#After being swept by FSU in head-to-head competition in b-ball season, I
#would, this year ONLY, take a win over FSU, over a win over UGA!

Of course, this comment assumes that you're going to get a win over at least
one.  Take my word on it, friend, hope for the one over FSU:  you ain't
beating the Dawgs.

#       However, I seriously doubt that Bobby Bowden will 
#allow the 'Noles to get that overconfident.

One word of advice from a long-time Miami fan:  never underestimate Bowden's
ability to let his players get overconfident.  Miami has beaten FSU more
times than I can remember after the FSU team got complacent (e.g., down by 
~16 at the end of the third in '87, Miami tore back to score 20+ unanswered
and win the game).

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Bill Dooley Quits
Keywords: may he rot in hell...
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:21:57 GMT


"wild" Bill Dooley announced that this year will be his last at Wake Forest
and will probably be getting out of coaching...


he actually said "I never left a program in worst shape then how
I found it..."

Frank Beamer, myself, and I'm sure all other Va Tech fans would
disagree...

Michael Nelson
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From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Week #1 Entry
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:58:13 GMT
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
[Regarding games such as Akron @ EMU on the pool list:]
> Chris, I usually enjoy reading your postings so I hate to be rude, but
> Washington plays Arizona State on September 5.  Granted it's not the
> second coming of Christ, but what the hell is your problem with that
> game that leads you to believe the games listed above are more interesting?

I do like the games in the pool to be "interesting," and I do try to
include as many as possible of the nationally televised games.  However,
those are of secondary importance.  The top priority for a game getting
into the pool is that it have some chance of either team winning (the
closer to "even" it is, the better).

Unfortunately, in a week when so many of the teams are not playing I
cannot find 15-25 games that involve big-name teams *and* are likely 
(or at least possible) to be close contests.  That is why there were
several games on the list between relatively minor teams.

The reason I left UW/ASU off the list was that I don't think it is
likely to be close.  Nobody is picking ASU to crack the top half of
the Pac-10, while Washington is a unanimous pick to win the conference
and a consensus pick to finish in the top three nationally.

If I include a game that everyone will pick as their top-confidence pick,
it does nothing to add to the pool.  The resulting effect will merely be
a slight inflation to the week's scores.  (And in the new format where
low scores are dropped, "score inflation" is to be avoided.)

Perhaps I could include games such as UW/ASU if I were to include point
spreads, but they are not generally available to me in a timely manner
(and the pool is already complicated enough as it is).

I'll gladly accept suggestions for games to include, but those suggestions
must keep the top priority in mind and *must* be made before the game
lists are posted (i.e., received by me more than seven days before the
game).
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
"Desire without knowledge is not good, [...]"  Proverbs 19:2
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  2 Sep 1992 17:54 EST  

In article <1992Sep1.151642.13404@menudo.uh.edu>, HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes...

>  There are several awfully good schools in Texas.  But there is only one place
>as big, good, and peculiar as Texas A&M. 
> 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UT at least as big?  As for who's more 
peculiar, well, I'm not from Texas, so I couldn't say.

> 
>semper fi,
> 
>Jammer Jim Miller 

R Dendy

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep3.135046.24604@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Sep3.173019.22450@news.nd.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.173019.22450@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@picasso.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

   Bill,

   I find it completely amazing that you can pass judgement on
   a situation without knowing the complete details.  As for the
   car loan ... this country was founded on the premise of being
   innocent until proven guilty (this even hold true for arch-rivals
   Michigan and Miami).  It's sad to see that even DuBose
   being found innocent of any wrong doing on the $25000 car
   loan is still not enough for you.

I'm honored.  Two responces by you to the same post by me.  Didn't get it all
out the first time?  Go back and read the article you are responding to.  I
have faith that, with a bit of reflection and careful reading, you will note
that I was not in fact passing any judgement on the young man.  I was
explaining the issue at hand, and why the NCAA viewed it as serious.

Bill
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	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: billj@b11.b11.ingr.com (Bill Jones)
Subject: Re: Bama in the polls
Keywords: n
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:34:53 GMT

zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:

>>: In case all you rscfers missed it, Bama is #1 in the new New York Times
>>: preseason computer rankings!!! 
>>: Computer's never lie! :-)
>>
>>However, computers and computer programs are only as smart as the person who
>>programmed them/it.   <insert many smilies here :-)  >
>>
>ouch!  the first thing that comes to mind is a really hick dude with no 
>teeth and a shotgun saying, "bend over that log boy."  Is that what the
>programmer looked like?

I'll infer some smilies here, cmuck. If you did not intend them, I'm at
a loss about what to do. Apparantly you're from Texas, so I cannot add
to your pain.

>cmuck

Bill Jones
Huntsville, AL
billj@beowulf.b11.ingr.com
From: rszczerb@chekov.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Notre Dame, Michigan and other stuff
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:29:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

>That's certainly news to me.  I've seen the schedules through 1994, which are
>the only ones completed to my knowledge because of the Big Ten additions,
>and Notre Dame is on each of them.  For your information, Notre Dame does not
>have a higher academic standard than Michigan.  I scouted both schools before
>I entered college, and was surprised to learn that Notre Dame's academics are
>based largely on institutional reputation.  Has anyone seen the US News &
>World Report rankings for this year?

First of all, just because you haven't seen the future schedules doesn't
 mean they don't exist.  MOst schools make up schedules 7-10 years in advance. 
 ND stops playing Michigan in 1995 for a couple years.

As for Michigan's academic standards ... I had a lot
of :) :) on my comments ... that means it's a JOKE ...
so lighten up.

>
>IMHO, Michigan doesn't deserve a national championship if they don't play good
>programs like Notre Dame.  BTW, Notre Dame still trails 14-9 in the series.
>

Sure, if you count games from 1898 etc ...

	- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: Why so many Va Tech woofers?
Keywords: coz hokies are better than hoos
Reply-To: trice@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 20:06:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.193921.3109@chpc.utexas.edu>, boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
|> Bingo. That, and the natural inferiority complex Tech grads have that make
|> them woof... chill Mike, the last part was a joke! ;-)

Oh, you want to play hardball?  At least Hokies can spell!  (see last post
with misspelling noted)  Tech doesn't name it's machines after dead people
either. (this should get him going!  Boo-Hoos can't stand it when you insult
Jefferson or Poe)  Stop hanging onto the accomplishments of long-gone alumni
and look to the future, like TECH!

|> >go terps!

Okay, go terps!

|> Aw, no fair! I don't even know who to woof for against Tech! Who do they play?
I'm glad you asked!

1992 Virginia Tech 
Football Schedule
Sept5	JMU
Sept12	ECU
Sept19	Temple
Sept26	WVU

Oct3	Open
Oct10	Louisville
Oct17	NCSU
Oct24	Miami
Oct31	Rutgers
Nov7	Syracuse
Nov21	UVa 


-- 
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         Systems Development Environment Support         
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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ArKansas (was: Re: Auburn/Ole Miss - Prelude)
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:23:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <bjm1.715500666@Ra.MsState.Edu> bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
>Pig Soooiieeee!

Shouldn't it be more like:

Pig SooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- goober (here piggy piggy piggy) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Palmetto Football Tuesday #1 - September 1
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:40:11 GMT

noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:

>>Presbyterian College 
>>   Blue Hose  (South Atlantic Conference * Coach: John Perry)
>    ^^^^^^^^^

>What in the...?

>I'm assuming there's a great story behind this.

:-)  There are probably some great stories about it floating around in
Newberry.  They play Newberry each year for the Bronze Derby, dontcha
know.  Some oddly dressed people walking around down in the midlands.
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: blayre01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: My SEC Predictions
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:53:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Aug20.165445.3233@b11.b11.ingr.com>, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:
> East Finish	West Finish
> -----------	-----------
> Florida	Alabama
> Georgia	Miss. State
> Tennessee	Auburn
> Vanderbilt	LSU
> So. Carolina	Arkansas
> Kentucky	Ole Miss
> 
> SEC Champ:
> 
> Alabama - if Barker stays healthy
> 

I agree with your West Finish but I don't agree with your East. Here are my
predictions for the East.

East Finish
___________
Florida
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia
Vanderbilt
South Carolina

Kentucky should be much improved with an offense suited for Pookie Jones. Curry
has switched to a wishbone and should have a well-rounded backfield to
succesfully run the ball. The third year is the charm for Kentucky as they will
go 6-5 and receive a bid to a minor bowl.


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From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:10:29 GMT

And I never heard them so loud after Desmond's catch.

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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Colorado update
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:06:17 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Sep3.150900@squid.inmet>.
johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe) writes:

>certainly mike pritchard's departure had something to do with this decline.
>i remember seeing statistical comparisons of how he had better averages in
>many categories than heisman(n)(SP?) trophy winner rocket ismail.  hagan
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tried to do the punt return thang last year, often rather effectively, but
>in the games he was dealing with injuries in, this proved to be as much of a
>drawback as anything because of the lack of experience among the backups.


i know he deserved it, but he didn't get it.

-mike noonan

p.s. i didn't know e.e.cummings was posting to the net.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:28:25 GMT

In article <ladee0INN4v3@alnitak.usc.edu> dnoble@alnitak.usc.edu (Douglas Noble) writes:
>There is at least one USC fan that looks forward to Russell
>White winning the Heisman.  And who is disappointed at the
>caliber of the commentary coming from both USC fans and Cal
>fans on this network.  Let us upgrade the material that the
>rest of the people reading this group have to read.
>

I agree completely with this.  As a UCLA alum I obviously have strong
negative feelings toward $C football.  Because of this i take a strong
interest in what is up with them.  When I see a post about the trojans
I get exicted because i think i get some information about who the
starting QB is gonna be, what larry smith's standing is, who is
gonna be the starting TB, etc.  I would like to now these things
and it is hard to get this type of info leaving in Cleveland.

But, to my dissapointment, instead of getting information i get
some worthless crap about how this is the 72 anniverary of the
having the horse run around the field or how in 1907 SC beat somebody
by this much or what glorious alum attended some spring practice instead
of telling who are the current crop potential stars and how they are
doing.

Maybe there should be a seperate news group alt.obnoxious.alumni for
these posts.


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From: wcd2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:32:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

Hey the saccharin bowl is fine with me that year that we blew
it all.  It is much better than the stay at home and don't make
any money bowl that Hokie, Hokie, Hokie High School went to the
past 2 years.
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:17:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Aug26.145534.28519@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
>
>Maybe you turned the game of or were watching another game. The final score
>of the BlockBuster Bowl was Albama 30 Colorado 25. I wonder how a 5 point game
>can be called a butt kicking considering that Colorado's defense held BAMA to
>22 inches per play in the first half. I also remember BAMA having to rely on
>a lot of special teams points. The only catagory BAMA out matched the BUFFS was
>on offense and this is all McCartney's falt for experimenting with a new 
>offense in a major bowl game. 

Not only that, the buffs were in bama teritory in the last play of their
game in which they tried a 4th down conversion. So, Bama wasn't kicking
anybody's butt. Also, in my opinion, if Vance Joseph had been the QB
instead if Hagan ( who was passing poorly in that game) things might
have been different.

>In a rematch BAMA wouldn't be so lucky.

Let's wait and see whether there is going to be a rematch this year. It
will be a disaster for Bama if they did.

>	-ethan

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:13:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.161740.4730@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
>manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>
>
>>Last year was last year... anyway, we didn't lose to ALL in-state div 1A
>>opponents like FSU did last year...
>
>Uh, Njan, we didn't play anyone in-state last year, did we? Unless you think

Well, NOT playing implies not losing, right?

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220148.1345@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>--
>	YOU DO NOT WANT TO PLAY MIAMI ON THEIR HOME FIELD IN THE ORANGE BOWL...

we'll see about that.. afterall, CU isn't another Nebraska, you know...
If their first defense stays healthy, no team is going to score many
points against them. (the offense is another question altogether.. but still
the game won't be a blowout)

>You speak about the last 3 years and how "NOBODY has beaten buffs" by 35 points
>in the last 3 years. Well, CU has not played a GREAT passing team such as Miami
>in the last 3 years either. Now please listen carefully to what I am saying.
>Cu has play some very good teams the last 3 years. But NU, OU, Alabama, and
>ND are NOT great passing schools. They played Illinois. They are a GOOD passing
>team but they are not in Miami's league. And they split with Illinois.

What about Washington? Are they a great passing team or what? You seem to have
conveniently missed them out from CU's 89 and 90 schedules... (and we beat them
too)

>Miami would have beaten CU or OU just as bad as they did Nebraska last year in the Orange Bowl and if either team meets them in the '93 Orange Bowl - then Miami will just win big again. They are better than the Big-8 teams. All of them. NU, OU, and CU are not in that league any more. I hope they get back there.

Let's stick to facts and not hype....

>Husker Henderson

Njan
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: LSU/A&M Spread?
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.173850.15767@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
> Has anybody seen the line on this game? If so, please post it. Thanks.
>
The spread is 9 points, A&M is favored.  I don't like it being that high...
Whenever we go to Baton Rouge favored by a bunch, it always seems like we
get beaten by a bunch of freshmen...  Also, the game is on ABC, and I 
cannot remember the last time we won a game being carried by ABC..  :-(

cmuck
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