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From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: New archive of Russian recordings
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:00:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.classical
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

In article <1992Dec21.130306.13235@bsu-ucs>, 00hfstahlke@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
wrote:
> 
> I heard a report on PBS last night that the Russians have opened up a fantastic
> (a word I normally avoid) archive of old recordings including, for example,
> Shostakovich performing his Op. 87 preludes and fugues, and many other
> wonderful and unheard treasures.  The report also mentioned a Western audio
> company working with them and the very high quality remastering that the
> Russians can do.  Does anyone know when and how any of this will be made
> available?  Or what delights we can look for to come from it?
> 
  This is true - there was a fairly large article about this in the New
York Times a couple months ago. I only vaguely recall the details, but
apparently the deal is that the former Soviet state musical monopoly,
Melodiya, is working to make ALL of it's vast archive availble, both
to make some hard-currency earnings and to make available to the rest
of the world the incredible treasure trove of recordings it's sitting
on - after all, they did ALL the music recording in the USSR since
recording started there (or just about). As I recall, the first part
of the deal was to fly in a load of western equipment and experts to
start transferring their old masters to digital format (and to perhaps
do some electronic cleanup of some stuff). Also, they are attempting to
catalog what they have, but that in itself is a mammoth task, as they
had just been piling up things for so long that they themselves don't
know the total extent, but the NYT article had a pretty long list of
things (both live performances and studio recordings) that were
scheduled to be released. Perhaps you might find that article by
searching using the keywords "Melodiya" (and "recording" "music" etc)
if you can find a library with an online newspaper article database.
I can't remember the exact name, but I've used this in the University 
of Arizona Library, and since this was in the last 6 months I THINK?, it
shouldn't be too hard to track down.

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From: erwin@helsinki.ks.uiuc.edu (Edgar Erwin)
Subject: Re: FYI: Lovely Music....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:21:10 GMT

Barry Grant writes
> 
> Since buying Perfect Lives on the recommendation of Fanfare, I've tried to
> buy everything on CD of Ashley. 

Are you talking about the old recording of two extracts from _Perfect Lives_  
with just Blue Jean on piano and Ashley reading a monologue, or has there been  
a complete recording?

> I've listened to Improvement  a couple
> of times. It's not as wonderful as Perfect Lives. It's "stiffer" and the
> music is not as hypnotic. 

OK, but how about a few basic facts, if you don't mind.  Is this also Blue Jean  
on piano, or do we get different instruments?  Was this an opera intended for  
the stage, or another one for TV?  Do the words tell a story in the  
conventional sense, or is it like PL, in that the words paint pictures, still  
lives, so to speak?

Ed erwin@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:17:19 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX


If someone is counting, add my vote for the finale to the last movement
of the Beethoven Violin Concerto.  What a heavenly thing.

Greatest recorded execution of it (and the whole concerto): a fallen-
through-the-cracks recording by Menuhin-Silvestri.  None of his other
recordings capture it so well.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
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From: hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben)
Subject: Re: RFV: BRUCKNER RE: THE BEST
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:18:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

   Just another Bruckner fan in the 1% minority....

Personally, I have always liked the 3rd symphony the most - a work that gets
very little of the attention it deserves.




Mike Hurben
From: gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Gorecki's Symphonly # 3
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:57:47 GMT
Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate

I bought a cheap version of this work as performed by East European
artists (I do not have the tape with me here) for the soundtrack for
a movie called Police starring Depardieu. What is the movie about
anyway ?

I was wondering whether the work was created for the movie or the
movie ended up using the already existing work ? And I do not know
if the tape contains the entire work even though it appears to be so.
I would appreciate it very much if somebody can give the track listing
of the work from the more expensive (and probably better, I do not
know) Dawn Upshaw, et al recording. 

I enjoyed the symph very much even with my very limited knowledge
about classical music. I have not heard any of his works before
including the performances by Kronos Quartet.

thanks
d.
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: HELP: music quiz
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:21:08 GMT

tsui@csis.dit.csiro.au (Kenneth Tsui) writes:
: 
: 
: 
: I need help to answer the following for a music quiz. Some of the questions
: are quite interesting. I'll post the answers when they come out in Feburary.
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: 
: 1. In what opera is there a character Sportin' Life?

Gershwin's Porgy and Bess?
: 
: 2. What ballet refers to tennis?

Debussy's Jeux.
: 
: 3. What music critic was equally distingished as cricket writer?

Sir Neville Cardus (my hero!)
: 
: 4. Who wrote a mouvement symphonique entitled `Rugby'?

Arthur Honegger.
: 
Pass on the opera stuff...

: 9. Which brothers were simultaneously the heads of the two main conservatories
:    in their country?

Anton and Nikolas Rubinstein?
: 
: 10. Which great German composer had a brother who taught the piano in
:     Venezuela?
: 
: 11. Name one composer who murdered his wife.
: 
: 12. Which composer died after wounding himself while conducting?

Jean-Baptiste Lully. 
: 
: 13. Which composer was killed
:     (a) in a bicycle accident?

Ernest Chausson.
:     (b) by drowning in the English Channel during World War I?
:     (c) at the Siege of Chester after writing music during the Siege of York?

b) and c) no idea.
: 
: 14. Which composer was shot because he went out for a smoke?

Anton (von) Webern.
: 
: 15. Name a composer of the baroque period who was murdered.

Vivaldi. He wasn't? Well I know plenty of people who'd be only too glad...
: 
ENough of the opera already....
: 
: 21. Name the links: (a) Lark and Frog

String quartets by Haydn.
:                     (b) Lark and Wasps

Lark Ascending and Wasps incidental music (to Aristophanes) by Vaughan
Williams. 
:                     (c) Chost and Harp
Pardon?
: 
: 22. Whose daughter:
:     (a) inspired a violin concerto (please name both parents) and who was the
:         composer?

Manon Gropius, daughter of Walter Gropius (of Bauhuas fame) and
Alma-Schinder-Mahler-Gropius etc..
:     (b) was called Chou-Chou?

Debussy - she of 'la boite'.
: 
: 23. What do Jena and Odense have in common?

Discovered symphonies? Jena i]atrrib originally to Beethoven, Odense
still to Mozart.

Can't help you with the rest.

--
Real:  Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
Email: (dbarker@spang.camosun.bc.ca)
Phone: +1 604 370 4452
From: lmlam@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Lup Meng Lam)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Sheet music ftp sites?
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:57:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <tony.724554502@ee.uts.EDU.AU> tony@ee.uts.edu.au (Tony Eyers) writes:
>Does anyone know of any ftp sites that have sheet music (preferably Baroque)
>
>Tony Eyers
>tony@ee.uts.edu.au

I am also interested in it. Please e-mail me if there is one. 

Thanks in advance!

lmlam@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Opinions sought: Beethoven's Late String Quartets
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:16:53
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu's message of 28 Dec 92 15:32:15 GMT

In article <Dec.28.10.32.15.1992.18827@math.rutgers.edu> bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh) writes:

   >John Grabowski posts:

   >Possibly my favorite recording in my entire collection is of the Op.
   >131 String Quartet transcribed for an entire string orchestra.
   >Conducted by Bernstein, with the Vienna Phil., it's not the textbook
   >way to do it, but it is nonetheless, a stunning musical experience.

   My impression was diametrically opposite to this one: I thought it
   worked about as well as using a chorus of sixty-odd distinguished
   actors as the protagonist in _Hamlet_.  Oh, what rogues and peasant
   slaves are we!  Instead of four focused single lines, you get some-
   thing perilously close to Mantovani (anybody remember him?).

I have a CD by Sandor Vegh that uses 4 or 5 instruments for each part.
It has a richer sound than a quartet would, but it doesn't feel
overdone.
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From: jtbell@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jon Bell)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: FAVORITE PIANO CONCERTO
Organization: Presbyterian College, Clinton SC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.011843.3283@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>
>I must admit I'm starting to enjoy these "Greatest All-Time" and "Favorite" 
>threads, so I'm starting another one.  :-)   The question is, What is your
>favorite piano concerto?
>
>And a very important sub-question: What's your favorite *Beethoven* piano 
>concerto?
>
My answer to both questions is the same:  Beethoven #3.  I like the whole thing,
but there's a passage in the slow movement that sends shivers up my spine...
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From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: FAVORITE PIANO CONCERTO
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.011843.3283@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>
>And a very important sub-question: What's your favorite *Beethoven* piano 
>concerto?
>

Emperor.
From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: ftpsite
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:28:38 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


Does anyone know of an ftpsite for classical music, mainly
Mozart, Beethoven, Vivaldi, Wagner and Chopin in .au or
.snd format?
From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:29:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.154152.3333@walter.bellcore.com> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.235913.674@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>, dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) writes:
>|> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:
>|> : In article <2B31FAEE.6591@news.service.uci.edu>, jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>|> : |> In article <1992Dec17.203233.25237@walter.bellcore.com> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:
>|> : |> >
>|> : |> >Bruckner ????? 
>|> : |> >
>|> : |> >Can any good thing come from him ?
>|> : |> >
>|> : |> 
>|> : |> Quite a lot already has, m'laddie.
>|> : |> 
>|> : 
>|> : 
>|> : Name something that has !!!!!!
>|> 
>|> 11 symphonies, 3 Masses, Te Deum, much choral music, String Quintet.
>|> 
>
>I hope that you aren't including his so-called 'romantic' symphony in the
>above list !!! 

I can't speak for Deryk, but I suspect the fourth symphony is included.
It's commonly considered the easiest introduction to Bruckner's
symphonies, but (of the Bruckner symphonies I've heard) I'd opt for
#8 as a good intro too.

Regardless, I'd say it's worth your while to open years and take the
time to listen to Bruckner.  His music is definitely difficult
at times.  The sudden changes from theme to theme can be very
disconcerting.  But, if you can accept the more sudden, often
violent, transitions, his music is quite rewarding.  The slow movement
of the 8th seems to me a wonderful construction.  Especially the last
8 or 9 minutes where he builds the music to a dramatic climax that
you'd think should end the movement but brings a tranquil theme out of 
that dramatic "fake ending".  It's just brilliant.  

Also, I am wondering why Deryk mentions 11 symphonies.  I though 
Bruckner wrote only nine.  

A question:  I have versions of #4, #7, #8, #9.  Of these #8 is my
favorite, and #9 is a very close second.  What's recommended for the
next Bruckner symphony to explore?   I was considering #5.  I 
believe there's a Solti-led performance that includes (as a filler)
the "Te Deum".  Is this a recommended place to delve?

John D.


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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Beginning a classical collection
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:17:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.205134.23099@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>You're in luck!  There's a book called "Who's Afraid of Classical Music,"
>by Michael Walsh.  Even though it's a *little* pandering at times, it's
>a good book over all, and he recommends conductors, performers and recordings.
>His taste is quite good, IMHO.

Yexch.  I'd rather listen to three hours of uninterrupted Melanie or 
something.  Yes, he panders -- all over  the place.  Opera is just 
sex and violence and titters, composer trivia replaces any discussion
of who these people were and why they wrote the music they did and
why people listened to it so intently, and on and on.  The book
trivializes classical music, and it's laden with errors, besides.

Roger
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: CD prices
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:03:57 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1hpsb4INN1ia@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>[...]
>> 2) Our stores in the Las Vegas area are a horrible example of what lack of 
>>decent middlemen (middlepersons?) can be like; I have to plan about 2 trips 
>>per year to the West Hollywood and Westwood Village stores to get any decent 
>>variety in CDs, in spite of our having a Tower, some Wherehouses and the 
>>usual sprinkling of mall shops. And the less said about my experiences with 
>>mail order CD shopping, the better...
>
>Exactly... And not just in 'Vegas, either.  The "classical" departments
>of most stores in Houston have a few of those $3.99 discs (some of which 
>are admirable performances) which are presumably designed to be sold as
>gifts to that "difficult" great aunt who's "so out of touch"...  Visits to
>Tower are like a pilgrimage (will appropriate pennance when the credit card
>bill arrives later).  And try asking a sales-assistant if they have the new
>Stockhausen CD in stock... ;=)  

On the other hand, complete ignorance on the part of the middleman can be
bliss.  There is (was) a music store in Leesburg, VA that catered almost
wholly to rock'n'rollers and country western enthusiasts, with a couple of
bins of classical CD's for customers' great-grandparents.  The store buyer
knew absolutely nothing about classical music, so just stocked things whose
titles appealed to him.  Then he priced them at levels like $6.99 or $8.99
so that they'd move at all.  One could find some real gems in there, and
have a hard time finding the old warhorses.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244		---------------------+
|   "Technical work needs reviewing for the same reason that pencils need    |
|   erasers."			- Daniel P. Freedman & Gerald M. Weinberg    |
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From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (haus der luge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: A Soldier's Tale
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:17:03 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

 
Sometime in the late fifties/early sixties Stravinsky's _A Soldier's 
Tale_ was performed with Lukas Foss conducting and several composers 
playing narrative roles as the principle characters.  The participants 
were Copland, Carter, and Cage as far as I remember.
 
Was this performance recorded ???
 
HausDerLuge

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Subject: Re: Hildegard Behrens vocal collapse?
Reply-To: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:36:33 GMT

In article <BzMJzE.HAx@news.udel.edu>, conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
|>In article <1992Dec21.172249.13631@visual.com> rwh@visual.com (Rob Holzel) writes:
|>
|>>A friend told me the following.  I wonder if it's true?
|>
|>>1. Hildegard Behrens has recently suffered a vocal collapse,
|>>   which to the horror of the MET management will prevent her
|>>   from singing Brunnhilde in upcoming "Ring" performances.
|>
|>The Met hasn't got her scheduled to sing anything this season,
|>I can confirm that.  She opted out of all of last spring's 
|>Elektras after the first night.

I don't remember even hearing she was scheduled for these.  It
would seem they would consider using others to provide differing
interpretations.

|>>2. Eva Marton will not sub for Behrens, since she swore never
|>>   to sing at the MET again when she was passed over for 
|>>   Brunnhilde (in favor of Behrens) the first time around.
|>
|>This is consistent with what I've heard, and with La Marton's
|>behavior in general.

Given that Eva did the new Met production of "Salome" after the
"first time around" for the Met Ring, I question this.  Instead,
I would suspect either the Met passed on her, or she was not
available (or both).  Singers of her fach tend to be scheduled
way into the future.

|>>3. As a singer of last resort, 
|>
|>Questionable -- plenty of places are happy to get her for 
|>their first choice.  She never cancels, and always lasts to
|>the end untired.

She is far from a "singer of last resort".  Not only is she a hard
worker and reliable, but her power and ability have not changed
significantly since she did the recordings of the Bayreuth Ring.
(She once sang BOTH the Empress and Dyer's wife in the same
performance of "Die Frau Ohne Shatten" because her daughter's
classmate was to be in the audience and did not want to disappoint
her.)

Gwyneth is admirable and will be fine, I am sure, in the upcoming
Ring at the Met.

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| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify |
| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra.   |
| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me.           |
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From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Subject: Re: Schubert recommendations
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:07:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.215932.21604@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
>
>Any recommendations on recordings of Schubert's two piano trios and his
>Fantasia D934?  I've only seen Kremer's recording of the Fantasia, and I'm
>not particularly a fan of his.

For the piano trio no. 1, Thibaut-Cortot-Casals is outstanding.
For both, I rather like the Beaux-Arts Trio.


-- 

	Francois Velde

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: kldawkin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Kiwi)
Subject: Re: Wagner and Jews?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:51:21 GMT

In article <7203@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> sekey@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Andrew Sekey) writes:
>>Hitler regarded Wagner's music as THE prime inspiration for his awful work.
>
>Torquemada regarded Jesus Christ as the prime inspiration for the Spanish
>Inquisition, murdering and torturing countless innocent victims. Should
>Christ therefore be banned?

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!

(oh no, not again...)

Kyle.

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From: rwilmer@carrier.mitre.org (R. Wilmer)
Subject: Re: Saxophone, use of -
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:16:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.095212.26084@ulci20.unil.ch> jwenger@ulci06.unil.ch () writes:
>
 
 >Dear net.folks,
 >
 >Friends and I were chating about music in general, and saxophones in
 >particular. No one could mention a piece of classical music, orchestral,
 >chamber or other, where one or more sax were used. Can you?

Jacques Ibert wrote some good music for sax.  Arnold Bax should have.

Richard
From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (haus der luge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Request - Cage on Video
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:12:57 GMT
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada


 
Could anybody help me find any videotapes of John Cage performances?  I 
am primarily interested in those videos which involved Cage himself.
 
I saw a short film of Cage (older - I would place it somewhere in the 
eighties) demonstrating some aspects of the prepared piano with who I 
believe was Ms. Tang on CNN this morning.  I would really like to see 
this in its entireity or any other similair productions.
 
HausDerLge
(sans u)
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From: sekey@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Andrew Sekey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Wagner and Jews?
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:33:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.classical
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

>Hitler regarded Wagner's music as THE prime inspiration for his awful work.

Torquemada regarded Jesus Christ as the prime inspiration for the Spanish
Inquisition, murdering and torturing countless innocent victims. Should
Christ therefore be banned?