From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: OTHMAN BIN AHMAD
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:11:18 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.151544.15034@aifh.ed.ac.uk> pingsian@aifh.ed.ac.uk (pingsian@aifh.ed.ac.uk) writes:

>: 
>: Mr Othman Bin Ahmad,
>: 
>:         you wrote on 27 Jul 1992 at 11:37:52 the following :
>: 
>: >  The above do not tell the WHOLE STORY/TRUTH. What do you expect from
>: >  Chinese Journalists/editors.
>: 
>:         I think you have been creating a lot of unpleasant feeling among
>: different races using the Network.  Lets not forget that the network is
>: for sharing of cultures, sciences and technology etc ...  This is not a

>What better way for sharing culture but to discuss it openly? How could the 
>chinese student show respect by criticising ISLAM in the open, especially when
>it is not true?
>	I hope you and the other chinese students and other chinese poster
>are not the sterotyped chinese all over the world.

>: place for being ignorant.  I think you should think about what you said
>: before posting news on the network.  Putting words like the above is not a
>: polite way of conveying your message. 

>How should I say it?" The editors or journalists of NS have left out a very
>important possibble evidence which may jourpadise the truth or credibility
>of the news being reported. Since Singapore is 75% chinese, the government is
>controlled by chinese, the media is controlled by the government, we may
>expect this downplaying of important evidence to be very significant".

>Is that what you like? I do not see any difference in the meaning of the 2
>sentences? The first one is shorter and I never like to dabble in verbosity.

	It is very clear that the first one insults all Chinese, whereas the
second, refers to Singapore government only. Why is it that
someone who is so well
western educated (and read many English books) cannot differentiate the two ?
( refer to last paragraph ) 

>: 
>:         I happen to be a chinese myself and you are a malay.  Please do
>How do you know that I am a malay? I never consider myself to be  a Malay.
			     	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	What are you then, carrying the name of "bin Ahmad" .

>: not cross the line of harmony and create a lot of unpleasant feeling
>: among people in Singapore, Singaporean who are abroad, or even other
>: nations in the world.  I hope you will respect other races, or you might find it
>Same to you.
>: difficult to get along with people, even in NTU.   Singapore govt is
>: always trying to promote harmony among all races, I hope you will be
>	The Singapore government has been very successful in this by following
>the principle of justice and common sense. Not by promoting lies. I wish the
>Singapore Government will still be controlled by people like Lee Kuan Yew and
>BG Lee Hsien Lung, who can speak fluent Malay and understand fully the
>inspiration and expectations of the Malays. If it were governed by people like
>you who only see your point of view, and do not like to be criticised for
>being wrong because you are a different race to the complainant, I just do not
>guarantee the racial harmony being cultivated.

>: more reasonable in whatever you post and be more acceptable rather than
>: being very intruding.

>Same to you. I would not intrude if you do not intrude. Once you intrude,
>then expect to defend yourself rationally.

>: 
>:         Maybe you should pay some attention to the answers that you keep getting regarding
>: your broadcasts.

>Like "shut up", "do not use common sense and justice"? 

	There are better ones than these. Obviously you've hidden them from
this posting.

>: 
>:         Lastly, I would like to assure all people who sign up this newsgroup
>: that this is not the stereotype of the people living in Singapore.
>It is absolutely true, even for a Malaysian. They would just keep quiet and
>complain at the back.
>	I am too western educated. I read too many English books and stayed in
>Western countries too long. I admire their openness and straight forwardness
>more than our eastern culture.

	You might have been over western educated. What you are showing is
beyond "their openness and straight forwardness". In a multi-racial nation
like S'pore & M'sia, such attitude should be avoided. I suggest that you 
might want to migrate to some western countries, provided if they want you.