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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:43:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <riskit-170892090125@47.201.0.36>, Reg Foulkes writes:

>> If I've worked them intensely enough, I'll get muscle spasms
>> when I flex my biceps at the end (i.e. involuntary contractions).

>    I get the same thing. In fact I get cramping (especially lats)

Yes, that's what I meant.  My biceps lock while contracting.  It's
actually somewhat of a pleasant sensation.

>   No Chris, I don't have sort arms. I have very long arms, also legs. 
> I figure that's why I do so well with back exercises, whereas chest
> is relatively week (my max on BP is only 225)

That's really low.  What type of grip do you use?  Wide/narrow,
or do you vary?  Do you have good chest size?  If you do, you
should switch to a relatively narrow grip, and also try switching
to dumbbell bench presses which work the triceps more than
a barbell does.  I use 100+ lbs when I do dumbbell presses.
If this doesn't work, try dropping the weight down to about 160
in the bench press for sets of 20+ reps; I built a lot of chest
and tricep size from sets like these.

>   My triceps are almost no existent. There is a good 4" from my eblow to 
> the lower part of my tricep.

Well, you have to work with what you were born with.  I'll bet
you have high forearm muscles also (since the two seem to be
related), so you should be working them hard, also, since this will
encourage upper arm growth.  One thing to try would be decreasing
the intensity of those muscle groups that you consider good, and
doing these at the end of your workouts.  The bad groups should be
done at the beginning as intensely as possible.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.001901.19226@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.191905.5016@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil>, 
>>becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>>
>>>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart
>>>rate and keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins
>>>to burn fat?  THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout
>>>twice a day....gives you the best results.
>>
>>Whoa, *TWICE* a day? [...]
>>
>>I question your recommendation that people do aerobic workouts of 40 minute
>>duration twice a day.  I think this recommendation is reasonable for anyone
>>*in training* for something, but not for the average person interested in
>>becoming or staying fit.
>
>There's absolutely no problem participating in aerobic exercise twice (or
>more) a day, *provided* the person exercising pays meticulous attention to
>injury prevention. This means having several different aerobic exercises,
>drinking lots of water/fluids, maintaining good nutrition, and learning to
>"listen" to his body's aches and pains. It's also important to avoid
>psychological burn-out with exercise....someone who wants to try this should
>clearly make the choice themselves, and not feel at all ashamed or embarassed
>if it doesn't work for them.

I disagree.
A person's ability to recover from exercise depends a lot on age and genetic
makeup.  When I was twenty I could easily handle 20 aerobic hours a week.
At 40 I find it comfortable not to go beyond ten.

Try the extra sessions and be alert for symptoms of overtraining- difficulty
sleeping, concetrating, irritability, elevated pulse, lowered appetite,
continual soreness, decreased sexual performance.  If you overtrain then
back off.

If the goal is weight loss, then I advise against it.  One should select a
fitness & diet program they can enjoy THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.  Any too drastic
change in life style will be abandoned and the person will likely return to
their previous condition.
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:07:26 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug16.163242.9508@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.161721.4970@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:

>That's okay.  You can do leg-extensions with a makeshift setup.  First,
>get some really thick socks.  Then, when you can do eight reps with these,
>get them kind of wet, and do another set.
>
>>have only one bodybuilder, but he's pretty strong too.  I could easily kick his
>
>Yeah, Adam, but he probably has normal legs.
>
>GMS

my, what a way to start the academic year!  it certainly isn't going to be
dull, from what i can see.

in the netters' successful gathering in boston this past weekend,
only mr. cecchini challenged mr. silver in armswrestling.  
mr. cecchini proved a formidable, if not
successful, opponent.  i tip my hat to cecchini for such an
outstanding effort against a seasoned veteran of the sport.  i think our
colleagues who were present share my sentiment.....

poo
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:6728 sci.med:15881
From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,sci.med
Subject: Re: Body Gold scam product
Keywords: Is it for real?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:29:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt4tKD.Fsx.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Chromium is used by the body in processes involving insulin.  Not
surprisingly, supplemental chromium is often helpful (about 50% of the
time) to people who suffer from blood sugar regulation problems, which
are often due to improper amounts of insulin in the blood.  My
reference makes no connection between chromium intake and diabetes.
Since insulin controls lipids as well as sugar, it is possible that 
bsupplemental chromium might have some direct and indirect effects on
body fat.

Chromium is not considered to be an essential nutrient - there is no
deficiency syndrome associated with low chromium intake.  However, the
National Resource Council suggests a "Safe and Adequate" dosage to be
50-200 micrograms per day.  Many Americans receive less than this
amount in their diets.

Some forms of chromium (III), such as GTF and picolinate, are more
readily absorbed than others.  Advertising hype add nothing to the
product.  Don't overdo unless you really know what you are doing.

Ken
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:6712 sci.med:15837
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,sci.med
Subject: Re: Body Gold scam product
Keywords: Is it for real?
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:30:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug15.193037.16874
Organization: Western Washington University

lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti) quotes:

>       " University studies have identified CHROMIUM PICOLINATE
>        as a trigger for fat loss and lean muscle enhancement.
>        200 micrograms taken daily caused a 22% fat loss in only
>        six weeks."
>Okay, I saw this in "New Woman Magazine".  Does anyone know what
>this chemical *really* does.  Are the claims for real?  Thanks
>in advance!

	No, these claims are not for real.  Exercise causes weight loss,
dieting causes weight loss.  Food or OTC drug products do not.  

	To save yourself future posting time:   There are, and never
have been, any food or OTC drug products that "melt away fat", or cause
fat loss or muscle gain.  The claims are, however, an eternal source
of revenue for con artists, despite being disproven by science.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: TAC@ysub.ysu.edu (Troy Allen Cross)
Subject: Re: thread mill
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.200944.4405@eng.umd.edu>
georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
 
>
>In article <Bsu2xE.8pB@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> romosan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Alexandru Romosan) writes:
>>
>>a try, and maybe somebody could help me. my dad needs to buy a thread
>>mill for medical purposes,
>
>I can't imagine why your Dad must have a treadmill for medical purposes.
>Why does it have to be a treadmill? If he is elderly and disabled,
>wouldn't a recumbent stationary bike be better?
>
>Good treadmills cost hundreds of dollars, they take up a lot of
>space in your home, people get bored with them quickly, and there
>are alternatives that are generally better for the intended purpose.
>
I don't agree with any of the above.
 
Certainly, nothing is more boring than a stationary bike?
And a good one costs hundreds of dollars too!
 
I believe as far as aerobic exercise goes, nothing is more natural
than walking.  The human body was made for walking, not pedaling.
 
I have a low end IMAGE treadmill (Cost $700, Sticker $1000).
I was looking for a sturdy treadmill with a wider and longer deck.
Make sure that the deck is long enough for your stride and wide enough
for your stance.
 
Note:  I do not use this treadmill.  But, my wife likes it and uses it
normally three times a week for 30-40 minutes.
 
Troy
 
P.S.  We have tried using stationary bikes, rowers, and stair climbers
(home versions) and the treadmill is the only piece of equipment that
is used consistently.  I did enjoy using the Concept II rower at the
university.
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Drug use at the Olympics
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:31:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <brian.713729047@njord> brian@njord.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) writes:
>segordon@amherst.edu writes:
>>	Why was she exempted from being tested?
>
>     When I heard the statement that Princess Anne was not given a sex
>test, no reason was given.  I inferred that it may be because it would be
>humiliating for a member of royalty to subjected to such a test.
>

a member of the international olympic committee was asked about that by
kostas, and was told that it was an act of courtesy to her excellency. 

poo
From: wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov (Walter B. Kulecz, Ph.D)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat olympians
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:36:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: nl-wkule.wkulecz-190892083710
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: KRUG Life Sciences

In article <1992Aug18.145725.19074@aa.cad.slb.com>,
wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) wrote:
> 
> In article <Bsw6M7.MC5@cs.columbia.edu> robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques  
> Robin) writes:
> > 
> > Why are so many olympic throwers and heavyweight lifters fat?
> > 
> > Is it that carrying fat is in itself an advantage for these events (i.e.
> > for two athletes with the same muscle mass, one lean and one with
> > additional weight coming from fat, the fat one will tend to perform  
> better)
> > and if so why?  
> 
-------------- stuff deleted ------------
I thought in one of the heavyweight weight lifting events there was a tie
for second place.  The silver went to the guy with the lower body weight,
thus there would be a small penalty for extra fat.
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts... and good stuff to eat!
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:08:49 GMT

>i'm not sure if they are available outside of RI/New England, but there's
>a place called Elizabeth's that makes DELICIOUS fat-free muffins ...

just thought of something else that i should mention...
you can make low-fat muffins/cake from (pre-made) cake mixes, by simply
substituting equal amounts APPLE SAUCE for the oil. if the recipe
calls for one cup of oil, substitute one cup of apple sauce instead!
apple spice muffins get great results! for variety, try chunky apple
sauce instead! mmm! very moist and low in fat! with a very nice texture!
:-)  (it also works with normal recipes, just that mixes are easy and
it's easier to calculate fat/calories!)

i think this is how Elizabeth makes them, since the texture is similar
to those i've made at home with apple sauce. :-)

enjoy!
Janice"oops, Dan beat me to the fat posting"G

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From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscular Soreness
Keywords: muscle sore workout
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:11:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BtE23A.IJr.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Aug20.150220.28294@cci632.cci.com> afh@cci632.cci.com (Andrew Halperin) writes:
>I am curious to find out some detailed information about
>muscular soreness after various workouts.
>
>     ... I find that after I do my leg workout
>     about 2 days after I feel the soreness. I understand
>     the lactic acid/circulation reason but why does it
>     take 1-2 days for your body to feel the discomfort?

This pain is probably a sign of overuse (injured muscles recovering).
You may be OK at this level of activity if the pain does not get worse.
>
>  2) When I work a muscle for the first time, I feel the
>     discomfort much sooner. Why?

Untrained muscles injure are less resilient.
>
>  3) I do stretch before during and after. I was told
>     that deep massage is also a way to alleviate this
>     discomfort. Are there any other ways?

Ice and anti-inflammatory drugs might help a little.  Smart training
will prevent most evcessive soreness and maximize strength gains.

Ken
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Favorite Foods
From: rodgers@brandonu.ca
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:21:10 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <Aug.19.22.24.08.1992.7867@remus.rutgers.edu>, clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
> 
> What type of healthy food do you really like?  I'm very fond of
> yogurt; my one-day record is over 100 ounces (really!).  I
> also like low-fat cottage cheese, and I regularly eat 24 ounces
> of it at one sitting.  I've been known to eat lots of rice, also.
> -- 

I like mixing a cup of low-fat yogurt, fresh fruit (usually strawberries) 
and 1/2 cup dry cottage cheese.  It looks awful but tastes good.  It also
adds that extra protein I need in the morning.

I too suffer from carb cravings late at night, but I refuse to give into
them; I instead have a tall glass of ice water.  Carbs before I go to
bed is a mortal sin with me!

One of my favourite dishes is grilled chicken strips, rice and mushrooms.
I mix the three in the wok with a little low-salt soya sauce and stir 
fry for about 10 minutes.  I use long grain and wild rice.  Tastes good,
and when served with a salad, it can pass as a "normal" meal for guests!

On the other end, this is a gross mixture and I don't look at it when
I eat it: one cup cooked oatmeal, one banana cut up, one cup plain low-fat
yogurt, 1/2 cup dry cottage cheese, and raisons.  I borrowed that recipe
from Sharon Bruneau!

It's amazing what we put into our bodies so they look good on the outside!!

Val
From: ecurtis@orion.oac.uci.edu (Evans Curtis)
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:50:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.152810.10573@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.183836.14445@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>>
>>Another traditional ab exercise from boxing is leg throw downs,
>>where you raise your legs up (like a straight leg raise) while lying supine, 
>>and a partner grabs your ankles and throws them forcefully toward the floor
>>while you use your abs to rapidly slow them down before they hit
>>the floor.  This is another 'plyometric' type exercise, for explosive power
>>and toughness, not really for bodybuilding, and it's potentially dangerous for 
>>your back, so if you try it, be very careful and start slowly.
>>
>
>Your phrase "potentially dangerous for your back" is a dangerous case of
>understatement!  I most sincerely hope noone runs to the gym to try this
>one out.  I'll post a separate message suggesting people read the sports
>medicine column in Iron Man magazine.  Just trying to visualize the
>shock loadings trying to yank the lumbar vertebrae forward, while performing
>the stunt described above, is about enough to make me lose my lunch.
>
>If just one person who would have tried the above refrains due to reading
>this, I will have done my good deed for the year.
>

I cannot stress enough how delicate one's lower back is.  At one point or 
another I've done all these exercises, yet what threw out MY back was 
reaching over and lifting about 25 lbs. around this time I was squatting 
about 365 Lbs. (I weigh 175).  I thought I had a 'strong' back.  It seems to
me that once you screw up your back, it stays with you forever.

Dave, if one shouldn't do leg raises, what CAN one do to strenghten a lower
back?  Anything in Ironman about that?  




Evans.-
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler)
Subject: Re: Life Cycle comments wanted
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:15:27 GMT

SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:

>Life Circuit is a line of weight machines that are/were initially only
>available at Holiday Health clubs. i tried them a few times and they
>are WONDERFUL machines. some of the most adjustable machines i've used!!
>too bad they are (were?) only available thru Holiday Health, as i HATE
>their pressure on joining and getting friends to join. i go to the gym
>to WORKOUT, not to listen to sales pitches. ugh. but the Life Circuit
>machines are awesome, check 'em out! :-)

>ps. has Holiday sold the line outside of their health clubs yet?

Actually, Holiday is only one (North East) branch of the Bally chain.  The
President's and First Lady clubs here are another branch that has that
equipment...
-- 
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Compaq Computer Corporation             uucp: ..!uunet!max@compaq.com
P.O. Box 692000 - M050701               phone: (713) 378-8366
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler)
Subject: Re: Steriods in Sports
Summary: A compromise?
Keywords: Compromise
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:25:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.175325.12957@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller) writes:
 
>
>
>
>One thought that I had was why not let
>people use whatever drug they want and if
>they are found to be using any type of
>drug, make the points or time that they
>have to achieve much higher than someone
>who is clean. I realize that this probably
>would not work for all competitive sport
>but on some it might. Just a thought.
>
  
  I think an even better compromise would be separate divisions, analogous
(kind of) to weight divisions, etc. There could be a Totally Drug-Free divi-
sion, with restrictions similar to ones currently in place, a Stimulants-
Only division, allowing caffiene, ephedrine, etc., and an "Anything Goes"
division allowing anabolic's, HGH, whatever....                 
 
Comments?             





...................................... Paul Fidler .................
"Please consult your physician         NCR Corporation, Columbia, SC
 before exercising with Lee Haney"     paul@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:58:14 GMT
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) says:

>>I also don't want to mislead any beginning fitness enthusiasts to be
>>discouraged by such a demanding recommendation (40 mins 2x daily); 20 minutes
>>once a day of strenuous exercise is good for most people.
>
>Once a day is fine; if people want to lose fat more quickly, there's no
>hard-and-fast rule that they can't do more. It's kind of like the rule what
>most of us heard growing up: Don't go swimming until an hour after eating.
>Hogwash!  There's no categorical reason to stay out of the water for that long
>after a meal.
>
>>Katie
>
>--phil
>

I agree with Phil.  I'd also advise mixing various exercises though,
such as running, walking, stair-climbing, etc.  Doing the same routine
over and over increases injury risk, and can lead to muscle loss.
Besides, it gets boring.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jchrissi@afit.af.mil (James W. Chrissis)
Subject: Re: Gyro's
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:39:36 GMT

mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald) writes:

>In article <713931107.8068.0@ccon.weh.andrew.cmu.edu> pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pomona Anupol Valero) writes:

>>Hi there,

>>I've recently gotten a taste of Greek Gyro's and really like them.  My question
>>is, does anyone know what the health benefits are from the meat?  (I'm not
>>sure, but I think it's veal and I don't know much about veal.)

>>Thanks,
>>Pomona

>Gyro meat is, well, variable. The "authentic" variety is chock full of
>lamb and tastes great to me. But some gyro shops think that Midwesterners
>don't like lamb and so theirs is 1% lamb and 99% beef and tastes rather
>blah. Actually they are probably right, as Midwestern tastes are
>notoriously bad ... its a miracle if you find even one tiny lamb
>chop in the meat section of a grocery store.

Lamb and beef according to some proportions.  More beef than lamb.

>Whatever, the stuff if absolutely stuffed to the gills with saturated fat.

True - they are full of fat.  The "authentic" variety is formed into a
cone and cooked on a rotary cooker.  The heat is cranked up and the cone
cooks from the outside in.  As the outermost meat cooks, it is sliced
off in thin slices.  Much of the fat cooks out in this manner (I know, I
used to be involved in this sort of business and the shrinkage loss of those
meat cones is phenomenal).  But still too high in fat to be considered
any kind of healthy food.  Tasty as an occasional treat, however.

These days it seems most places that serve gyros use the slab form or even
pre-sliced meat.  They just throw the meat on the griddle to cook it.
It may even be pre-cooked and all they do is heat it.  NOWHERE near as
good as the cone-formed kind.

>I'd kill if they used imitation sour cream. The real sour cream adds that
>extra fillip of pure saturated beef fat to make them absolutely anathema
>to the health food set.

The best sauce is actually made from plain (i.e., unadulterated, non-
fruited) yogurt.  In fact, I use plain (nonfat or low fat) yogurt almost
entirely as a replacement for sour cream.  Great for potato toppings,
dips, veggies, etc.

-- 
James W. Chrissis                      |   No time to find
Air Force Institute of Technology      |   a snappy quote.
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio             |