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From: STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
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Subject: GIS for Atari and/or Acorn Archimedes hardware?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:06:00 GMT
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Two similar requests have come my way recently: In the first, a friend has
just acquired an Atari ST computer (a machine I have nostalgic fondness
for, having produced my MSc thesis on one!) and we were wondering what - if
any - software there might be for GIS / computer cartography / spatial
analysis / statistical analysis that would run on this machine? Or, for that
matter "standard" relational database software? We know that there is at
least one PC emulation package available for the ST: does this mean that
it is (at least in theory) possible to run something like IDRISI or OSU-Map
on the Atari? We were not sure about the graphics handling capabilities...

Secondly, while MS-DOS machines are making rapid inroads, many/most schools
in Ireland (and I believe in the UK?) still have computer labs based on the
Acorn Archimedes machine. While this machine CAN run under DOS (for an
additional outlay), its normal operating system is something different (I
think it is the same as the old BBC Master series that was ubiquitous
in British Schools not so long ago? Unfortunately I have not yet had chance to
work with one.

The local branch of the Association of Geography Teachers in Ireland have
asked me to give them a talk in a couple of months' time on the use of
computers in geography in general, and GIS in particular. I would like to
make at least passing reference to software that will run on the Archimedes,
as well as to the more familliar IBM clones. If anyone can offer any
suggestions / recommendations / information about geography- and GIS-related
software for this machine (remember - this is for secondary school level!),
I would be extremely grateful

Many thanks in anticipation,

Darius Bartlett
DJB@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
From: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor)
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gl sprandel x4707 (gls@hare.udev.cdc.com) wrote:
: 
:  Could anyone give a recommendation for mapping software for an 
:   IBM-PC, that would use data directly from a dBase database?  
:   Perhaps describe experiences using Map Info or any other package that 
:   might do fairly low end mapping, as opposed to a high end solution
:   like arc/info.
:  We probably will not initially be using a GIS.
: 
You might try Atlas Pro from Strategic Mapping. Their number is
408-985-9700. I'm using the Mac version at the moment, and it does import
directly from dBase. 
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From: NEEDHAM@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU (NEEDHAM)
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Subject: gis / mine reclamation
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:40:46 GMT
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I would like to know if anyone is currently involoved in, or knows of
any GIS work in surface mine reclamation; particularly in the design
of reclaimed landscapes to minimize soil erosion and sediment / chemical
transport. I am aware of the Office of Surface Mining's TIPS. Are there
other such on-going programs?

Scott Needham
University Wyoming
Wyoming Water Resources Center / Dept. Range Management

Needham@corral.uwyo.edu
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From: gls@hare.udev.cdc.com (gl sprandel x4707)
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Subject: PC dBase mapping software
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:46:31 GMT
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 Could anyone give a recommendation for mapping software for an 
  IBM-PC, that would use data directly from a dBase database?  
  Perhaps describe experiences using Map Info or any other package that 
  might do fairly low end mapping, as opposed to a high end solution
  like arc/info.
 We probably will not initially be using a GIS.

 The data we will be looking at distribution of wintering shorebirds in 
 Northern Florida, and data from Christmas bird counts.  

 Thanks in advance for your help.
 Gary Sprandel - gls@udev.cdc.com

-- 
Bird of the week :  Red-tailed Hawk (Lake Vadais)
Gary Spranel  gls@.udev.cdc.com      Telephone <612> 482-4707
Control Data Systems, Inc. ARH215, 4201 N. Lexington, Arden Hills MN, 55126 
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From: maas@leland.Stanford.EDU (andy maas)
Subject: Re:      RE: Map based emergency response system
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:25:06 GMT

In article <921105084118*hoffmann@urzdfn.kartographie.TU-DRESDEN.DBP.DE> hoffmann@URZDFN.KARTOGRAPHIE.TU-DRESDEN.DBP.DE writes:
>I have seen such kind of MMM system from DORNIER Inc. (Ludwigshafen, Germany)
>which has been designed for emergency services (police, fire-brigades, medical
>emergency help). MMM = multi-medial mapping. You get instant coordinate
>positions and on-demand views for objects of interests (like building
>photographs, room location schemes etc.). Multi-scaled scanned topo maps
>are used from a CD-ROM.
>
>FH-TUD


There are currently several companies in the US which provide exactly
the type of system you are describing.  

Etak Inc in Menlo Park, CA provides a workstation which allows users to
track vehicles and dispatch them to incidents.  Currently 6 ambulance
and fire departments  in the US are using such a system.  Typically
the Etak workstation is used in conjunction with a system called
CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) which communicates with vehicles.
The mapping capabilities are flexible and all the above mentioned 
things can be performed.

A scenario of what happens at one of the ambulance companies.

Each ambulance has a TravelPilot, an in vehicle navigation developed
by Etak and sold by Robert Bosch of Germany.  The TravelPilot has a
map display on a CRT with the data stored on CD-ROM.  The device
sends it's postion in latitude/longitude back to the BaseStation 
every 5 minutes via a dataradio modem.  The position of each 
ambulance is now displayed on a CRT at the dispatch center over a 
Etak Mapdisplay.  When an incident occurs the Etak Software converts the
street address (geocodes)  to a lat/lon and displays it on the dispatch
computer.  The dispatcher now knows the nearest avaliable ambulance to the 
incident, and selects it.  On selection, the ambulance received the information
about the call, including the exact lat/lon displayed on the screen.

Other information about the incident is also sent such as the patients age,
complications.  The ambulance crew can prepare for the incident while
in transit.  

For more information on such services and companies please contact 
Etak Inc.
Inside Sales.
1430 O'Brien Drive.
Menlo Park, CA, USA, 95129.

Phone: (415)328-3825
Fax:   (415)328-4158
Or send e-mail to info@etak.com, please include your street address
and phone number.
From: arlie@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Arlie Haig)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:05:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Definition of GIS
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
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This is to correct the phone # I listed for the USGS. It's 
1-800-USA-MAPS.  (And they only have USA data.) 

Sorry,
Arlie Haig
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Map based emergency response system
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:28:27 GMT

I understand that extensive and, I suspect, costly editing of TIGER
is necessary to upgrade the files to 911E standards. Perhaps someone
involved with this could post some comments?
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Subject:      Thanks & more info?

First, many thanks to those of you who responded to my request for
information on configuring a GIS lab.

I would like to pick your brains a little bit more.

I need some more advice in the area of software.   I am quite familar with
the capabilities of the major PC based GIS software, but I need guidance on
the UNIX based software.  It seems that the two most widely used GIS's are
Arc/Info and GRASS.  I know the modules and capabilities of ARC/INFO version
6 fairly well.  I know that GRASS is widely used in the federal government
and in many universities and that it is in the public domain.  ARc/Info v
6.0 has both raster and vector capabilities.  I thought that GRASS was only
a raster GIS, but I have seen a reference that suggests that is is vector
also.  Could someone straighten this out for me.  I would also appreciate a
comparison of the features of each program, and their ease of use.

While I am at it any information on SPANS and Intergraph's workstation GIS's
would also be appreciated.

Regards

Larry Lewis                          BITNET:   mfltl@ecnuxa.bitnet
Geography Department                 INTERNET: mfltl@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Western Illinois University
Macomb, IL 61455
Tel (309) 298-1764
    (309) 298-1648
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From:         hoffmann@URZDFN.KARTOGRAPHIE.TU-DRESDEN.DBP.DE
Subject:      RE: The price of digital data

On German Auto-CART seminar last week it was reported that some
State Surveying organizations have sold the digital DLM stuff for
about 100.- DM/km**2 (the DLM-25/1 has been digitized in 1:5000), but
DEM's usually cost about 40.- DM/km**2. All this for commercial purposes.
Gov's & Uni's (usually) will get it FREE OF CHARGE !

Frank,
Dresden
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Subject:      DEM of Iceland

We are desperately looking for a good (!) Digital Elevation Model
of Iceland.

1. Is this the right list to ask ?
   if (answer == 'No') then
      please send other mailing -l list address
     else
      please send DEM
   endif
2. If someone knows someone who knows someone etc.
   Please contact me.

Thanks for the help

Robert

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From: wytten@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach)
Subject: Re: GIS in elections
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:32:54 GMT

On 11/2/92, the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments regarding the
Redistricting Plan that was used the following day in the state of
Minnesota.  The Plan in question was used for the first time on
11/3/92; it is the plan adopted from the 1990 U.S. Census results.

In a nutshell, the people who are contesting the Plan contend that it
was "gerrymandered" to protect incumbents.  The Supreme Court's ruling
is expected sometime late in the summer of 1993.

The Plan was developed using a Redistricting application running under
ARC/INFO.  So, although I haven't heard of GIS being used for
political mailings, etc., you could argue that GIS influences
elections through the drawing of political boundaries.

Dale


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From: maas@leland.Stanford.EDU (andy maas)
Subject: Re: PC dBase mapping software
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:50:47 GMT

I mentioned in a previous posting abouth Etak Inc in Menlo Park, CA.
They have a package which allows you to build your own mapping application
for the PC in either DOS or windows 3.0 and above.  The libraries are
written in "c" and are quite high level.  You should be able to 
get a simple application running within a week.  One of the features
is the ability of the libraries to overlay data from any source including
d-base on top of the Etak Street maps.  For more information send e-mail
to info@etak.com.
From: RSIT93A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Dr. Andy Yaw Kwarteng)
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Pat Chavez can be reached at

"dino::pchavez"@isdmnl.wr.usgs.gov

ANDY YAW KWARTENG
RESEARCH INSTITUTE
KING FAHD UNIVERSITY OF PETROLEUM & MINERALS
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From:         ASHVIN@VAXC.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: ERSI, ARC/INFO, FlexLM Startup Problem

>Hello ARC/INFO Gods!

>The Flex License Manager does not seem to fire up the license process
>upon system startup.  Starting it manually, no problem.
>Any suggestions...
>System:  RS/6000 Model 530, AIX 3.2.3, ARC/INFO 6.1
>john
>jmc@moose.uvm.edu
John,
     A few suggestions.

        1. Don't turn the system off -this normally the case with servers
and machines on networks -that are accessable 24 hours a day.

        2. If you have to turn it off then check your RS/6000  UNIX manuals
on starting processes at boot time -there is usually a file the system looks
at bootup that determines what processes to start and run in the background.
(Note I'm not a "superuser" - this was suggest to me by our system administrator

        3. If you aren't turning you machine off and you've been needing to
restart the process everytime you  start ARC/INFO -then you should be
running the license manager in the background check your Arc/Info installation
guide, and Arc/Info Systems Administration guide.

I hope this helps.

Ashvin Bhikharidas
Dept of Geography & Environmental Science
Monash University
AUSTRALIA
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From: asmall2@mach1.wlu.ca (+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+)
Subject: Re: ERDIDRIS prob
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duester@GIUB.UNIBE.CH wrote:
: I want to exchange IDRISI Images with SPANS. The only way I think is with
: the ERDAS-Format. SPANS accept ERDAS-Files created with ARC/Info without
: problems. So I converted an IDRISI image with ERDIDRIS from IDRISI to ERDAS
: 
: SPANS is not able to read this file. Does exist any help for this problem??
: 
: Horst Duester
: 
: duester@giub.unibe.ch

You might want to try renaming the .img file to .RNL and then create a .RNH
(Raster header file) from the  Idrisi .doc file and try reading it in by
using TRANSFORM/IMPORT/LIBRARY/RASTER (After setting up a new study area if
need be). Make sure the Idrisi .img file is in binary format, and consult
Appendix D of Vol.2 of the SPANS manuals for the format of the raster
header.

Please note that I haven't actually tried this, but I do know that it works
when going from SPANSv5.2 to IDRISIv4. I wrote a simple program that reads
the SPANS header file and creates a Idrisi .doc file complete with legend
and extents etc. Idrisi reads the raster files directly (after changing the
suffix).

Cheers,


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From:         "(Andrew U. Frank)" <frank@MECAN1.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: April, 1993 Issue of "GeoInfoSystems"

This just to inform you about the COMETT project that we are just starting:
it will be a postgrad. GIS course, lasting for 6 weeks (3 times 2) to be
presented in different cities in Europe (and later perhaps worldwide).
We are tasked to develop a set of materials from which to teach such a course.

I would appreciate if you would included us in the special issue of
geoinfosystems you are editing.Please keep me informed when you need the
paper.

thanks
andrew

>I just volunteered to serve as "consulting editor" for the April 1993
>issue of "GeoInfoSystems."  The issue will focus on GIS education and
>training.  Please contact me if you have an article  that  you  would
>like to submit for inclusion in this issue.  Some topics that come to
>mind include:
>
>   o Professional certification/accreditation.
>
>   o Equipping a GIS lab.
>
>   o Opportunities for continuing GIS education.
>
>   o Case studies describing how the NCGIA "core curriculum" is being
>     implemented.
>
>   o Role of the community colleges in software-specific training.
>
>   o Teaching GIS in the high schools.
>
>Jay Morgan
>Department of Geography and Environmental Planning
>Towson State University
>Baltimore, Maryland 21204-7097
>(410) 830-2964
>(410) 830-3482 (FAX)
>E7G4MOR@TOWSONVX (BITNET)

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From:         "(Andrew U. Frank)" <frank@MECAN1.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Quadtree data structure GIS

>Can someone knowledgeable tell me besides SPANS (and maybe SYSTEM-9???
>I am not sure) what other GIS also use quadtree?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>David Wong
>U.Connecticut
>DWONG@UCONNVM.BITNET
>DWONG@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU

there are two substantially different ways a GIS can use a quadtree (or
similar spatial data structure)
- for storage of spatial data (in a raster format)
- to organize the storage of spatial data (which is then stored e.g. in one
of the vector formats).
in the first case, operations a la MAP (tomlin) are directly performed on
the quadtrees.
in the second case, the quadtree is used (only) to improve spatial access
to data that could be stored differently (e.g. in a sequential file) and
thus improves performance substantially.
it is generally recognized that any gis needs some data structure to assist
in spatial access (this can be built as an index or as a specific
organisation of the data structure/storage structure). most of these
methods are somewhat related to quadtrees, but there are many (many!)
variants.

to answer the specific question:
spans uses (my information) quadtree to store raster data (so does QUILT
from U. Maryland)
system 9, but most any other (vector) GIS uses a spatial index structure to
improve spatial access. these are often more or less close variants of
quadtrees.

hanan samet wrote a two volume autoritative book on quadtress - recommended
for anybody that needs to know all detail.



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From:         "Mr. J. Marsden" <jmarsden@UXB.LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: More on GIS Lab

Larry asked about setting up a GIS lab for teaching students PC or SUN.

We have both here but for teaching small numbers of students (6-12) we
use Idrisi or PC Arc/Info. The Dept has 6 PCs each loaded with PC Arc/Info,
that of course involves each having separate 'dongles'. The university has
hundreds of PCs networked together able to run Arc/Info from a Sun 4/690
via emu-tek although we do not yet use this for teaching as there are still
problems with it. And finally the university has over 200 Sun IPX machines
able to rlogin into the main Sun to run Arc/Info - again this is very new
and not yet tested fully (by me at any rate).
John Marsden
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University of Liverpool
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From:         Indiana Jones <navanax@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: GIS in elections

   Yes, I agree with Charlie! I don't think it's worth getting into a
discussion regarding the media's use of maps for the election. I would
be quite surprised if the networks cared about using GIS for such
simple graphics. Although, I would suggest that they at least use some
kind of basic cartographic software - some of their projections were
so hack (and inconsistent). Oh well, what do you expect anyway? We're
talking about the media here...

   Tom Edwards
   navanax@u.washington.edu
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