From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:04:55 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

jay@oclc.org (Jeff Young) writes:

> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
> : 
> : There is a material "mind", through which the embodied soul interfaces
> : with the external material nature, or the senses of its body. This mind
> : is not composed of gross matter, but it is matter in that it is
> : impermanent. It is not part of the soul itself. The soul emanates
> : consciousness, and it is capable of fixing that consciousness on
> : anything ponderable: God, the soul itself, or another soul, or the
> : mind, or the senses, etc.
> : 
> : Although the soul has this capability, in the conditioned state, while
> : it is within the material body, it is almost completely identified with
> : matter, and thus it follows the material senses.
> 
> Bald assertions.  There isn't a scrap of evidence to be found anywhere
> in this article to support your claims. 


> 
> : 
> : Yes, every living organism is operated by a soul within the body of the
> : organism. The whole show is mediated by the Supersoul, Who also resides
> : within every body along with the individual soul. This is, in fact, what
> : people mean when they say "God is within". However, God is also without,
> : and unlike the individual souls, who are limited in power and are thus
> : subject to illusion, the Supersoul is unlimited in all respects and is
> : not illusioned by the allure of the material body and senses. He never
> : forgets Himself at any time.
> 
> No evidence yet.
> 
> : 
> : Yes, there are perfect persons. But they are very hard to find within
> : the material world. The perfection of the individual soul is the result
> : of becoming completely free from identification with the temporary
> : material body and mind, and attaining total recall of its actual identity
> : as spirit soul, the eternal devotee of the supreme soul, the Lord.
> : 
> : We have forgotten who we are because we have become so enamored of our
> : temporary material bodies, and the material bodies of others. This has
> : been going on from remote time, but there has always been a way out.
> : This way is variously described in the scriptures, but finally one must
> : surrender to the Lord, adopt an attitude of loving devotion to Him, and
> : give up one's cherished dreams of personal power, wealth, prestige,
> : sexual indulgence, and independence in the world of Maya, for these are
> : sources of forgetfulness.
> 
> Nothing but argument from authority.  If argument from authority 
> is so important, why does it have such a rotten track record 
> throughout history?

Tell us, what is this "track record" of which you speak?

Sincerely,
Kalki "My what a fertile brain you have" Dasa


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