From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Subject: Re: Adam's children, Daajal, Tabligh
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:09:27 GMT
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>>>>> On 6 Jan 93 15:49:44 GMT, zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan) said:
Zeeshan> Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
	

Zeeshan> In article <1id9r1INNvf@life.ai.mit.edu> inf.rl.ac.uk@ncar.UCAR.EDU. ( (Khalid Akram (student-david;until 31/12/92))) writes:
>   I am trying to piece together parts of the early history of Islam.
>   Please excuse any naive questions which may show my ignorance.
>
>   Q1. Eve was made from Adams rib bone; they had children. Whom did the
>   children marry?? Did one of the brothers kill the other?? What is the
>   islamic version of this?
    
Zeeshan> 	There is no reference to Eve being made from Adam's "rib" in
Zeeshan> the Quran.  This has probably crept into Islamic tradition from the
Zeeshan> Biblical creation story in Genesis.  Or rather, from one of the two
Zeeshan> contradictory accounts in Genesis, since one of the Biblical stories
Zeeshan> also makes no mention of the rib.  Similarly, the Quran does not
Zeeshan> mention the murder of Abel by Cain.  Eve (or Hawwah, as she is known
Zeeshan> in the Islamic tradition) is also never mentioned by name in the Quran.
    The Quran indeed mention the slaying of one of the sons of Adam 
to his brother .* Then his mind facilitated to him the slaying of 
his brother ...(al-ayat)* Surah al-Maidah verse 30.

Zeeshan> 	Your question about the children is a good one, though.  There
Zeeshan> are all lots of problems which arise, as Islam does not allow marriage
Zeeshan> between brother and sister.  In fact, this may be evidence that the

Islam as AqIdah and basic belief in the Unity of God (Allah) and the
angels and the day of judgement and that Allah sends prophets to humans
and Jinn to guide them--> this has been  the religion since Adam (as)
BUT every UMMAH before the time of prophet Muhammad (sas) has its OWN
SHARIAH (laws). ( wa likulin ja'alna minkum shira'tan wa minhAjan)
One example is marrying the sister or brother, this of course was
not forbidden in the time of Adam (as) or early after him.

Zeeshan> creation story in the Quran does not refer to material creation (that
Zeeshan> is, it may not actually be about "Adam, the first man").  It may
Zeeshan> simply be a symbolic story about all humans and their struggle between
Zeeshan> good and evil.  After all, "Adam" means "of the earth", and the Quran
Zeeshan> states that all humans are created of earth.

Dear brother, be careful from TA'WIL OF QURAN that is to try to explain
it by our own ideas and change the clear meaning of the verses. This is
a great sin. refer  to post 1974: [ 94:suheil@athena] Re: Quran, Adam 
and Original Sin. 

Zeeshan> 	So there may or may not have been a "first man" named Adam, in
Zeeshan> which case the historical truth of the other Genesis stories you refer
Zeeshan> to are questionable.
 
This is in clear contradiction with many ahadith and verses of the
Quran that states that Adam was indeed the first man and human 
being and the first prophet and messenger of Allah.

>   Q2. I recently read "Daajal" by Ahmad Thompson; in one paragraph he states
>   that a persons going to hell or heaven has already been decided *before*
>   they are born (!!). If this is the case then what is the point of
>   *trying* to do good or bad if it is *already* decided where one
>   will go?  Please shed some light on this.

Zeeshan> 	Ever hear of "soft determinism"?  It's what Western philosophy
Zeeshan> calls the viewpoint expressed in Islam.  Everything must be
Zeeshan> predetermined, as God's knowledge cannot be limited by time.  However,
Zeeshan> since humans do not have the foreknowledge that God does, and from
Zeeshan> their perspective they make their own decisions, they are responsible
Zeeshan> for their actions.

Zeeshan> farewell,
Zeeshan> zeeshan

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Malek.

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