From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: continuation on Cyprus
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:46:36 -0600
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Besime Erin rants:
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> various COME AND GET IT mentality paragraphs deleted
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> various breath wasting excercises deleted

Besime,

relax. Inhale.

When I am discussing a topic with someone most of the time (if not all)
I tend to present one view, the view that Spiros holds. To come and tell
us that "your discussion with the unnamed GR-CY person is wholesome and
fullfiling your needs" and at the same time rant big time about your
power plants, COME AND GET IT IF YOU WILL, and IT WILL STILL BE OURS 
UNLESS YOU BEHAVE type shit, is hypocritical to say the least.

I would not hold it against you to come up front and say, "You know,
Ispiros (to use some turko-phonics there), IT IS OURS NOW, THANKS TO
TURKIYE AND YOU CAN"T DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT" I'll accept it as
your opinion. 

But don't put a puppy face and tell us you are sincere about finding a 
solution to the problem and at the same time (when provoked with a legitimate
subject, i.e. whether foreigners get to vote in TRNC)) rant yourself silly.

In fact, as I have told you MANY times in the past, the problem with you
is not really your ideas (given the current setup, if I were a Turko
Cypriot I'd be STUPID if I were to look for a solution) to solve the problem,
but the way you present them. 

No matter what the proposal, you bring the broken record of 1964 and grab to it 
for life. Hell, four years ago if someone told me the Soviet Union would 
collapse I'd roll to the floor laughing. Yet Democracy has survived in
the X-USSR (or, better yet, started) and its X-republics because people were
by and large willing to forgive and forget. 

And have constructive dialog.

But judging from the rantings of your idol, Hasan B-) Mutlu (KEEP YOUR
HANDS OFF HASAN B-) MUTLU, remember) forgive and forget is not something
that one can attribute to a Turk. (or Turko Cypriot). 

Four years ago East German guards would shoot anyone trying to cross the
border. Now, GERMANS, after 50 years of barbed wire fences, blockades,
and many dead, are willing to put the past beside them. After 50 years,
Germans, in many cases the very same soldiers that put my relatives on
the wall in Kalavrita come to Kalavrita and many even have houses there.
Do we shoot them? No, Besime, we welcome them. Because we can forgive
and remember. Greece suffered the worse occupation from the Axis forces
during WW2, with atrocities that make the conflict in Cyprus look like
the Saturday morning cartoons. Now Germany is Greece's best ally in 
Europe and the EC, and it ain't because we buy planes and/or BMW's from
them...

Not that you understand any of the above but I thought I'd give it a try.

"...Having fullfilled her need to discuss TRNC, she inhaled deeply..."

Spiros
(PS: sorry to be so direct; someone's got to be)
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