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From: rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:52:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <Bt6x0K.Cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu) writes:
>             Do you think that getting high marks ( as bramins and other 
>fc people usually do ) in the subjects/studies means you are 100% fit for
>getting admitted to professional colleges? If it is then that is why our
>(your) people are not able to shine well in western countries. Pure theoretical
>knowledge doesn't help for long term. One should also have some practical 
>knowledge. In my opinion one should not be given admission to any colleges
>based purely upon ones marks/grades.  
>
>Guindian,
>C.RATHINAVELU
>
>"Vadhiyarai Kakai Pidithu Soppu Pottal Yaru Vendumanalum Madhippen Perralam".
>
>
	So you do agree that we brahmins get much more higher marks
than you do.But still you want to become engineers and doctors
because you play football or cricket well or because you are good in
some extra curricular activities. You also say that we do not shine well
western countries becoz we are not good in extra curricular
activities.On  what basis do youmake this statement.
	Agreed, that one should not depend only on marks.but that is
no justification of the fact that a guy who gets 94% is certainly
better than a guy who gets 70%.Konjam uzhaikkanum sir,94%
vangarathukku.summa onkantha vanthurathu.athe mathiri" cricket
vilayadinathala ,enakku 70% vandadu ,illana naan 90%
vangiiruppen",so enakku than antha seattunnu sonna athu payithiyakaratham.
	intha mathiri pasanga, nailakke namakku vaithiyam parpangannu
nenaicha , ayo, "antha doctorukku cricket than vilayada
theriyum",vaithyam parka theriyathunnu than solvanga.
	"gundichattiyila kuthirai ottindu",enakku doctor aaganum,
engineer aaganum na,athu madathanam. ozhunga uzhaiccha than munnuku
vara mudiyum. athe mothalla ellarum puringikanum.
	Also some amount of theoretical background is essential to be
succesful practically.
rammohan
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: EVR part 9
Originator: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:53:35 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.044509.1490@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> sankar@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Mahalingam Sankararaman) writes:
>In article <Bt4ww4.HwI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> More on EVR from the PhD thesis of Charles Ryerson, "Regionalism and
>> Religion, The Tamil Renaissance and Popular Hinduism".
>> 
>
>I am interested in this thesis, especially its references.
>Would you please give some additional information such as
>the year, University and, if possible, some brief info. about
>the author.
>
>Thanks
>
>Sankar

Sure, here it is.

TITLE: Regionalism and Religion: The Tamil Renaissance and popular Hinduism
AUTHOR : Charles A. Ryerson

The Thesis was submitted to the Harward University's Centre for the 
Study of World Religions in 1972.

The author spent 12 years in India, learned Tamil, and did extensive
research on the rise of DK/DMK/etc.  The author is now teaching at
the Princeton Theological University in USA.

Meenan Vishnu
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: A Practical Joke
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:54:13 GMT

	I don't know who said,

	'maN thOnRi kal thORak kaalaththu vaaLodu
	mun thOnRiya mooththak kudi'

	(Why did they need a sword, if there was no other race then?
	 to fight among themselves?).

	Any way, to counter this unfounded claim famous Tamil writer
	Pudhumaip piththan made a joke,

	'ulagaththil thOnRiya mudhal kurangu thamizhk kurangu'

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu  

P.S: Please send any flame to me, not Pudhumaip piththan, as he is no more.
     Any way he paid heavy price for his 'anti-Tamil' stand with a death
     at young age. He died out of poverty because he wanted to live for
     Tamil without taking any job, though he had a BA degree as early as 
     1920s and his father was a revenue official in the Colonial government.
	(I will try to post an article on him, when possible).
From: lkumar@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Varna & Brahmins
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:54:32 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <9208171737.AA02848@ha06.eng.ua.edu>, bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan) writes:
> 
> 
>    What one learns from Sundara Pandian's response
>    to my "alleged" response to Meenan Vishnu:
>    [Read his article carefully].
	[Like saying listen to the scriptures attentively !]
> 
> 
>    -----------------------------------------------------------------
>    Now, there is the original Gita
> 
>    Then there is Sinha's interpretation of The Gita. Not to be confused
>    with Sinha's claim of the original Gita.
> 
>    Then there is ******'s interpretation of Sinha's Gita
> 
>    Then there is Sundara Pandian's interpretation of ******'s interpretation
>    of Sinha's interpretation of the original Gita.
> 
>    Then there is the Gita that Periyar criticized. Understatement!!
> 
>    Then there is the current Gita  not to be confused with the Gita
>    that is available today.
> 
>    There is a rationalist Gita which is not quite the same as
>    the irrationalist Gita.
> 
>    Then there is *that* Gita. Not to be confused with *this* Gita.
> 
>    Then there are the "Gita as it was", "Gita as it has been", "Gita
>    as it is", "Gita as it might be" etc.
> 
>    Will the real Mr.Krishna ever show up and tell us all what he meant
>    by "varnashrama dharma"? :-)
> 
>   ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>    BK
> 
> 
>    P.S. What is wrong with (T)this Gita?
> 
>         Oh No!;(T)that Gita is not wrong.
> 
	Now I understand why manipulation of Vedas and other texts
	might have happened.

	A couple of articles in simple English from Mr. Vishnu and 
	Mr. Pandian could not convey the intended obvious meaning
	to "some" ---

	No wonder that "some" in the past might have also had tough
	time in realizing the meaning of verses and words that were
	available to them in an alien language ... {Sanskrit is the
	language of Gods and those "some" are humans anyway .. :-)) }

	May be, that is a valid reason ... !
        :-))

Best Regards,

-- Laxman

> 
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From: sriram@tura.sps.mot.com (P. S. Sriram)
Subject: Re: Air Fares to Madras
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Keywords: Air fare, travel, india, madras
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, TX 78735
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.001421.4928@uceng.UC.EDU>, kravi@uceng.UC.EDU (Ravishankar) writes:
|> From: kravi@uceng.UC.EDU (Ravishankar)
|> I have enquired a few travel agents about air fares to Madras
|> Most of them seem to be suggesting to go by either MAS  or SAS.
|> They typically quote rates of around about $1550/- including the
|> charge for the credit card.

Sounds steep. I have bought my ticket for $1470/- including Credit Card 
charges. ($1400 without Card). Some of my friends in CA have got quotes
as low as $1,100 from LAX. All these quotes are for Singapore Airlines.
The 1470 quote is for a round trip from AUS -LAX-SIN- MAA -SIN-LAX- AUS.
If you would like further details about the agent send me mail.
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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: nAgore E.M.Hanifa padalgal.
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:22:58 GMT

Some of his popular religious songs are:
  
  (1) iraivanidam kaiyEnthungal, avan illai yendru
      solluvathillai.
  (2) kElungal kodukkapadum, thattungal thirakkapadum
  (3) thendral kattre konjam nillu

Cheers,
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From: vak@infonode.ingr.com (Vansantha Kandasamy)
Subject: Caste-ism
Keywords: good or bad
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:23:24 GMT

    It is somewhat disturbing to see all the arguments about
the caste system in India.  What is most dis-heartening is that
the part takers in these arguments seem to take on the side
that they belong,  ie,  the "Brahmins" take the "Brahmin" side
and the "non-Brahmins" take the "non-Brahmin" side.   This
only shows the deep divisions that are present among us.
I like arguments.  But when they get as personal as they
seem to on sct,  I feel they do not achieve any good. 
  
    Having grown up in SriLanka,  I see the caste issue as a 
"upper caste" vs. "lower caste" issue and not as the "Brahmin"
vs. "non-Brahmin" issue as many Indians feel.   In SriLanka
too,  the "upper castes" had more than their share of the 
economical,  political and the educational pie,  and I think
that they still do.   The caste system is present in all of 
SriLanka,  among the Tamils and the Sinhalease.  We too had 
temples that were out of bounds for the "lower castes",  but 
those who made the decision were "non-Brahmin,  upper caste"
Hindus,  because the temples were owned and/or managed by
these "non-Brahmin,  upper caste" Hindus.  In SL most 
"Brahmins" were merely priests at the temples.  They didn't
have any economic or social clout.

   "Alayap piravEsam" came to SL in the 50's and 60's,  
and there were times when "upper caste" voters were told not 
to vote for certain candidates,  because they will open up
the temples for the "lower castes".  Even though in mosts 
cases the candidates who were advocating "Alayap piravEsam" 
were "non-Brahmin,  upper caste" Hindus.   

   In the rural parts of north and east SL,  the caste system 
was very well in place,  without much help from the "priest 
Brahmins".  The "upper caste" Hindus made sure of its continuance.
I feel the biggest perpetrator of the system was the practice
of arranged marriages.   The wedding and funeral ceremonies
of these Hindus had the "proper" places for the "ambattan" and
the "vaNNAn".

   We may disagree on who first laid down the system.   But it
was perpetrated by all Indians/SriLankans etc.   If we choose 
to,  we can ignore the past,  break away from it,  and try to 
build a "caste free" society.

    In India,  especially TN,  the quota system is "justified"
on the basis of the castes,  in SL it is language.  In the US
affirmative action is based on color,  sex,  national origin,  etc.
For people on the wrong side of these,  its reverse discrimination.

    I don't feel it is any good to gripe about or vehemently 
defend a system that seems flawed.   Blaming each other only 
propagates the divisions among us.   May be we could start 
thinking of ways to change the system.

 - Vasantha Kandasamy
a non-practicing Hindu,  agnostic,  atheist wannabe
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Contra M. Vishnu
Date: 20 Aug 1992 00:57:03 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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Reading some of the articles in soc.culture.tamil, I saw M. Vishnu repeating
certain assertions that he had made in soc.culture.india, that I had countered.
He still has not answered my objections. So I will repeat myself too, but
will be brief (and I hope not cryptic).

He claims that Purusha Sukta or parts of it were interpolated, possibly in
8th century AD. Earlier, he claimed that Wendy O'Flaherty (or Doniger) has
given this date. He promised to give a reference, but has not. A book edited
by O'Flaherty, "Textual sources for the study of Hinduism", includes the
Purusha Sukta, gives the date of RgVeda as 1000BC, and makes no exception
for the Purusha sukta. There is of course the classic argument why the text
of RgVeda could not have been altered after 600BC: see any book on Vedic
exegis such as A. A. MacDonnell's Vedic Reader. [When one talks of late
additions to the RgVeda, one means the material added in 1000BC to 800BC. I
suspect that somebody in the chain leding to M. Vishnu is confusing BC with
AD].

Second relates to the distinction between caste and varna. There are several
books that I would suggest that should be read first: Homo Hierarchius (sp)
by Dumont, Caste by Klass, a book edited by Silverberg whose title escapes
at the moment, and on varna (="estate" a la the Ancien Regime) in Indo-European
culture, L'Ideologie Tripartite des Indo-Europeens (sp) by Georges Dumezil.
Since my posts on sci, I have become aware of one specific example of a
caste changing its varna: The "new Chauhans" (see the book edited by 
Silverberg). There undoubtedly hae been other cases in the past. It will take
too long to go into details. If youare interested, watch for future posts on
this, to appear some time before 1993 begins (I hope).


-- 
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nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
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From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: vattArach choRkal
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.143246.2152@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>
> Terms used commonly in different regions for some words:
>
>(1) For frying pan:
>    Chidambaram - vAnali
>    Chennai     - kAdAi
>    Karaikudi   - iruppuch chatti
     Jaffna/TE   - thaacci
>(2) For vessel:
>    Chidambram - yEnam
>    Chennai    - pAththiram
>    Karaikudi  - chatti
     Jaffna/TE  - caddi 
>(3) For broomstick:
>    Chidambaram - vilakkumAru
>    Chennai     - dhudappam
>    Karaikudi   - mulakkAru (?)
>    MuthupEttai - vArvOl
     Jaffna/TE   - thumpuk-kaddai (made of coconut coir)
                 - viLakkumaaRu (made of coconut leave stem)
>(4) For soap:
>    Chidamabaram - savukkArakkatti
     Jaffna/TE    - cavarkaaram
>
>Anybody out there who can write for other regions for these words and other
>words?
 (5) For ???
     TN           - muram
     TE           - cuLahu
>venkat@jetson.uh.edu                  | If you love something,set it free.


Meenan Vishnu
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Varna & Brahmins
Date: 16 Aug 1992 17:44:20 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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  When you feel you have to castigate Brahmins :

   Bhagavad Gita was all great. Krishna meant "Caste by deeds and 
   not birth" in the Gitopadesh. Brahmins interpolated the texts
   and continued to misinterpret them.


  When you feel you have to defend Periyar who trashed religion
  [we have to agree with him no matter what he says for after
   all he was the biggest Brahmin hater, right?]:


   Sorry! I beg to disagree. What Periyar says about Krishna has
   to be right. Krishna is the bigger culprit. He institutionalized
   casteism [by birth] and Brahmins followed suit.

  -----------------------------------------

  Way to go!
  What else  can one expect from a Periyar-cultist who thinks with
  different halves of his brain at different times on the same issue.


  anbudan,
  Balaji Kannan
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.204725.3692@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <Bt7pvz.GsA@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>>In article <l93b54INN2d8@nunki.usc.edu> rammohan@nunki.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>>
>>>Animal sacrifice is wrong, but killing innocent people is right,
>>>why, because it is for a noble cause,viz. a separate homeland.
>>
>>Yes. It is true that killing in a just war is better than killing animals
>>in a Vedic sacrifice to go to heaven. (I think this is also the opinion 
>>of Valluvar). If you disagree, we agree to disagree and let I will not
>>argue about it.
>>
>
>The problem is LTTE shows more interest in killing innocent tamils, muslims and
>sinhalese and terrorist activities like killing Amirdalingam,
>Sireesabarathinam, Padmanabha, Rajiv Gandhi and others(the list is really huge)
>than fighting Srilankan Army. Their "veeram" is not much different than that of
>JVP.
>
>- Arun


Arun has now started a flame war. Pattha vachuteengal. Nallaa
eriyum paarungal.

"Thirunthaatha ullangal irunthenna laabam
 Varunthaatha uruvangal piranthenna laabam........"

Anbudan,

V R Kumar



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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Tamil Writer Passed Away
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:00:07 GMT


This news is somewhat late, but I am still posting, because, many might
not know such a writer ever existed. 

A Tamil writer of yesteryears, Karichan Kunju, passed away sometime around   
Feruary, 1992 ( I don't know the exact date).

His original name was Narayanaswamy and he adopted the name Karichan Kunju
to show his respect and love for his mentor, Ku.Pa.Rajagopalan, who had a
pseudonyme, Karichan. (Karichan is a kind of bird and Karichan Kunju means
offspring of Karichan).

He has three short story collections, 'anRiravE', 'theLivu' and 'Karichan Kunju
cirukadhaikaL', a novel, 'paciththa maanudam', and two criticisms on writers,
'Bhaarathi kaNdathum kEttathu' and 'Ku.Pa.Raa' to his credit.   

His latest to contribution to Tamil is a translation of Debi Prasad
Chatopadhyaya's, 'What is living and what is dead in Indian philosophy',
whose Tamil title is, 'indhiya thaththuva iyalil nilaiththiruppanavum
maRaindhanavum', published by Chennai Books.

He was basically a Tamil teacher and was also well versed in Sanskrit.

(News is from 'SubhamangaLa', Feb. 1992 and other details fron 'paRai', 1990,
a Tamil literary quarterly).


M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu   
M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu   
 
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From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: chellamana chandai
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:59:40 GMT

In article <l98hldINNsl2@aludra.usc.edu> rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan  
Rammohan) writes:
> 	Sunadara Pandian ezhuthuvar" Meenan, neer upoyagittha sorkal
> thavaru.Naan solli tharen entha mathiri sorkalai upoyogikkanum
> enru.nee ezhuthiyathu nammudaya anti-brahmin kolkaikku otthu varadu"
> 
> 	Atharku, Meenan udane " mannikka vendu kiren " enru paduvar.
> 
> aaha, arputham, enna chellamana chandai. yenna ottrumai. Oru velai
> meenan vishnuvirku thalai valithal sundara pandian thadavividuvaro?
> athu mudiyathe, rendu perum romba tholaivil irukkirarakal.athanal
> pandian thanuthu thalayil thailatthai thadavippar.
> 
> rammohan
> 
  Eventhough I have nothing to say against brahmins, I strongly
disagree with this type of name callings and teasings involving
too personally. No, I'm not one of the proponent. No, I'm not
dictating terms. illai,naan yarukkum vakkaalaththu vaangavillai.
   "theeyinaR chuttapun ullaarum- aaraathE
    naavinaR chutta vadu"

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar )
Subject: Re: A THREAT from a boneless tiger in the net
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:00:42 GMT

kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:

>In <Bt9LA1.KLq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar ) writes:

>>thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:


>>>I received the following threat from one spineless tiger in the net who does
>>>not have guts to post his view in the net and sent me e-mail


>>>==============================================================================

>>>From:   "LTTE@surya.waterloo.edu" 19-AUG-1992 12:07:34.52

>>>LTTE will kill all the Brahmins.



>>This is simply outrageous. And cause for serious concern. 
>>All right-thinking people should condemn such atrocities.

>>Has the guy come to waterloo for education or for terrorism?!
>>If such things continue, we must notify the university and the
>>police.

>>-Sreedhar
>    Mr. Vishnu is a very well respected person in Waterloo.
>He is a A+ student doing PhD.
>Who is a terrorist?

> guy who faked the mail. police, Indian police will
>do the best job.
>Call area code 011-91-44-9111111111111111111111.

>Indian police has a special task force that comes
>to Purdue to help people who are scared at thier own
>will and pleasure.

>KK

Hello!! 
Cool it, Mr.KK, I think you took my reference to whoever
sent the hate-mail to mean Mr.Vishnu. I thought (like everybody
else) that the mail came from someone from Waterloo. I never 
implied that Mr.Vishnu sent it.

By the way, I was NOT even aware that this Mr.Vishnu (whom
you *admire* so much) is in Waterloo!

The rest of your mail doesn't merit a reply.

-Sreedhar



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From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:02:22 GMT

In article <l93b54INN2d8@nunki.usc.edu> rammohan@nunki.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>	This above reply truly shows how brain dead you are.I at no
>point in my previous reply said anything about Madras students.I
>agree, that all people who come thru the back door(that is B.C or
>O.B.C) quota do spend 6 years to complete even there bachelors degree.
>Maybe all LTTE  people are brain dead , just like you.Hardly
>surprising. 
>For people like Meenan, animal sacrifice is wrong, but killing animals
>to satisfy his own hunger is right.Offcourse it is right, since it is
>a for a noble cause, i.e'satisfying his hunger".

You might be surprised to know that I am a vegetarian 
(or lacto-vegetarian as it is called in North America) since birth.  
Our entire family, including my brother who had been in the Canadian
Armed Forces previously are all vegetarians.  Therefore (following
the teachings of Valluvar) we never fail to condemn flesh eating. 

>Animal sacrifice is wrong, but killing innocent people is right,
>why, because it is for a noble cause,viz. a separate homeland.

Yes. It is true that killing in a just war is better than killing animals
in a Vedic sacrifice to go to heaven. (I think this is also the opinion 
of Valluvar). If you disagree, we agree to disagree and let I will not
argue about it.

>rammohan

Meenan Vishnu
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