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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Posting from work now Hasan?
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:46:45 GMT

Gee, anadolu.michigan.com returned to its nothingness, then
Hasan now uses 'ddsw1.mcs.com' yet his articles appear from the
ucbvax.berkeley.edu gateway...

So, Hasan, who's doing it this time?

And, since I have to keep the comedy level up. Which netter has 
the following licence plate and what does it mean?

                    +---------+
                    | I4G4HBM |
                    +---------+

See ya...

Spiros 
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
From: mikhail@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Mikhail Ossama)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Asking for a Greek softwear ..
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:25:06 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Yassou

ik beeen Ekiptikoos ..
milo logo Ellinnka .. mapheino sto panepestimio

i am asking if there is a Greek softwear for Unix ..
or how to make use of the Greek keyboard configuration ..
any help is appreciated ..

Ephkaristou .. 

--
Ossama Mikhail
mikhail@ere.umontreal.ca
From: UCNICK%umuc@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: You want a comment huh????
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:45:53 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun, Aug 15 1992 15:53:48 EDT


Was it mutlu-bitch-malak, or was it corass-the-barbarian who wrote:

>Now any comment?

Yes, sure, here is my comment! FUCK YOUR ALLAH!

Ah, one more.... 

was it that sissy corass bitch who in an attempt to put humor 
in his mail wrote something like:
>Allah will punish you...   

TELL ALLAH TO GO SCRATCH HIS BALLS A BIT -- PSORIASIS IS A HEAVY
EXCUSE FOR HIM!!!

Nikos Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:7742 soc.culture.turkish:9119
From: cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Barbaros (F244)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

According to the new issue (1992-93) of Jane's Fighting Ships, Turkey is
having built two new frigates. They will be commissioned in 1995 and they
will be of a modified MEKO 200 type to be called Barbaros class. Their
names will be Barbaros (F244) and Orucreis (F245).

After this little piece of info, I have to dismiss the denials of several
Turks that they are not barbarians. You guys, your government has spoken
and has said that you are indeed a nation of barbarians... You better stop
the denials, or the Turkish police will take care of you :-)
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas)
Subject: Re: ISO 10646 - TYPOPOIHSH
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:50:19 GMT



In article <1992Aug14.153615.26401@cs.mcgill.ca> filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU) writes:
>O Panayotis Fouliras anarwtietai ean iparhei nomos pou na apagorevei
>tis agglokoutsavakikes epigrafes, k.lp., twn xenomanwn ithagenwn Ellinwn.
>
>Nai, tetoios nomos iparhei, alla omws, den efarmostike pote stin praxi.

Mia kai exoume eleu8eria logou, 6ev vomizw oti tetoios vomos
eivai kalo va yparxei. Eav kapoios 6ev 8elei va grafei to ellnviko ovoma,
kaveis 6ev mporei va tov empo6isei, kai va tov steileis sta 6ikasthria,
6ev kataferveis tipota. Eav 6ev katalabouv merikoi ti kako kavouv me
to va mpo"ukotarouv tnv i6ia tous tn glwssa, as tous kavouv oi alloi
va to katalabouv, me to va mpo"ukotarouv auta ta upokeimeva kai va tous 
avagkasouv va 6iale3ouv avamesa stnv ptwteusn h to filotimo.

>Pistevw pws to kako me tin elliniki xenomania einai poli genikotero ki
>oti ehei rizes mallon koinwnikes. Aftoi pou eisagoun to sardam lexilogio
>tis neoellinikis einai mallon oi dimosiografoi, oi politikoi, oi gia hro-
>nia xenitemenoi dianoumenoi pou prosfata analavan theseis sta ellinika
>A.E.I., kai, fisika, oi neoploutoi epifaneis. Aftoi, nomizw, mas ehoun
>sakatepsei to lexilogio me ta:

Auto eivai poly swsto. Giati omws 6ev 6iamartyrovtai autoi pou akouv 
autes tis kotsaves apo kapoious faivomevika aggloma8eis? Osov afora
tous 6iavooumevous, katalabaivw va exouv kapoio problnma sta prwta
xrovia, alla giati prepei va epimevouv va to 6iaiovizouv?

>   lizigk, liftigk, fax, mpiznes, manatzer, rekor, mpasket, resertsor
>   ntevelopment (afto to amolise ekproswpos tou K.K.E. se prosfati
>   sizitisi pou diorganwse to T.E.E. gia tin elliniki amintiki
>   viomihania), k.a., k.a.

ma vomizw oti kai to prwto syv8etiko tou KKE (to prwto kappa)
proerxetai apo 3evikh le3n, tnv opoia kapoios 8a _eprepe_ va tnv
metafrasei sta ellnvika: alla blepeis se palaioteres epoxes
htav poly 'cult' va milaei kaveis (toulaxistov) lativika... :-)

>IG. Opws leei ki o Panousis, mas plakwsan me
>    <<monosillaves agglikoures>> :-)

Eivai o "Jimmis" Pavousns pou ta leei auta? 
(m' opoio 6askalo ka8hseis... :-)

Filippos Santas








Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: egiannou@ntb.ch (Evangelos Giannoulas)
Subject: Re: Mutlu, I have something to tell you, an
Reply-To: egiannou@ntb.ch
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs, Switzerland
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:16:55 GMT

In article 5193@daffy.cs.wisc.edu, pnevmati@rockyroad.cs.wisc.edu (Dionisios N. Pnevmatikatos) writes:
>egiannou@ntb.ch (Vaggelis Giannoulas) writes:
>
>>In article 56732@Ithaca.vax.Oxford.ac.UK, karakoli@Odysseus.vax.Oxford.ac.UK (Dimitris Karakolis) writes:
>>>
>>>    ...QA SOU KATEBASW ENAN KOUBA SKATA STHN MAPA , TOURKOMOUNOPANO !
>>>
>>>    dIMITRIS kARAKOLIS
>>>    l
>
>>Grapsto sta tourkika na to katalabei :-)
>
>>Vaggelis
>
>Nai, einai pou einai sk*** to soc.culture.greek, na apoginei.
>
>Ateleiwtoi Ellhnes, panta etsi kai tha ftasoume tous arxaious hmwn
>progonous (pigainontas pros ta pisw panta).
>
>Dionisis.

Poly sobaros eisai re palikari, ase mas na amolysoume kai kammia kotsana

Vaggelis
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Soc.Culture.Greek of Time
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


  Metin Topcan! Enis Cetin! Oh, the memories.....
  Where have all they gone?

  M.
---
 . SLMR 2.1a . My reality check just bounced.
                                                                                                                         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VELISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS)
Subject: Re: OBEDINATA MAKEDONIJA
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:57:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.194522.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c8826859@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE MACEDONIAN STATE-------->IS INEVITABLE) writes:
>MAKEDONIJA  =  VARDARSKA MAKEDONIJA + PIRINSKA MAKEDONIJA + EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA
>
>
>          MACEDONIA IS ON FULL STEAM AHEAD TO BE RECOGNISED BY THE WORLD 
>
>     AND GREECE AS WELL.
>
>     MAKEDONIJA ON PETROVDEN(A MACEDONIAN DAY) HELD A WORLD WIDE DEMONSTRATION
>  AGAINST GREEK PROPAGANDA .IN AUSTRALIA DEMONSTRATIONS WERE HELD IN EVERY 
>  CITY IN AUSTRALIA WHICH SUM TO A TOTAL OF 143,000 PEOPLE WHICH IS THE 
>  PROPER ESTIMATE.NOW I WANT A GREEK TO TELL ME HOW CAN THERE NOT BE 
>  MACEDONIANS, WHO ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR THERE HOMELAND IN MAKEDONIJA.
>     GREEKS A UNITED MACEDONIA EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE
>   1913   AND WILL EXIST IN THE NEAR FUTURE.GREEKS IF YOU WANT TO RENAME AGEAN
>  MACEDONIA , MACEDONIA IN YOUR BOOKS AND NOT INTERNATIONALLY,BE OUR 
> GUESTS AND SUPPORT OUR MACEDONIA TO BE UNITED AGAIN SO WE CAN SPEND OUR 
>
>  SUMMER HOLIDAYS ON THE AGEAN COASTLINE OF MACEDONIA.
>


	It seems that we will be having "fun" in the next few months. And
  after all you seeking recognition from the other countries.... :((

 Yiannis Velissarakos
From: cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Easter
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:40:07 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

I'm sorry to bother you with such a trivial query, but my diary has
turned out to be totally incompetent, and it's been much more difficult
to find this out than I would have thought possible.

Can anyone tell me the dates of the Orthodox Easter in 1993?

Email replies please! Thanks!

Richard Wallace
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: QUESTION ON MACEDONIA
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



>Just curious.  I've seen other people saying that the goverement
>of  Skopje was elected,  and others not.  I personally remember
>some form of elections being held, to decide whethere they would

 Elections were held, and the Vardar people were allowed to choose
between a party composed of ex-communists and none of the above. My
understanding is that it was a really close race.

Michael.
                                                                                                                     
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From: rsakella@cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: The role of communists in Macedonia (was 19th cent...)
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:06:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek

lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:

>Actually, Bulgarian communists lead by Dimitrov (i.e. after 1944) played
>the worse role in alienating the Macedonian Bulgarians from their ethnic
>roots and their consciousness, declaring them ... not Bulgarians. Many
>reports and documents show how the Macedonian population had ...
>difficulties studying ... the newly founded Macedonian language. It's a sad
>and unbelievable story but it's true. 

Actually, not only the Bulgarian but mainly the Yugoslav communists  
(assisted even by the Greek communists) played the most important role
on the formation of what consists today the "Macedonian nation". It was
in 1943 when Yugoslav communists, in order to strengthen their position
in Yugoslav Macedonia, were envisaged the "Macedonian nation" and the
"Greater Macedonia" which would encorporate all parts of Macedonia 
which "the Balkan imperialists occupied some years before". That no
ethnological foundations existed didn't seem important for them.

For several reasons, Bulgarian and Greek communists supported the "plan".
The official position of the Greek Communist Party during this period
has many contradictions; however, it was blamed inside Greece of high
treason for trying to cede Greek territories to foreign states. Although
its defeat in 1949 put an end to this problem, some of the communists
who fled to neighbour "friendly" countries continued propaganda in 
favour of the "Great Macedonia" for many years.

Later, the Greek Communist Party denounced its position on Macedonia
during this period, it was accepted as a legal party, even participated
in a coalition government. However, the official position of the 
Yugoslav Communist Party all these years was stable : people in Greek
Macedonia were suppressed by the Greeks and only in Yugoslav Macedonia
the "Macedonian nation" found its true identity.

Today, after the collapse of communism, it is really surprising
that the official position of Skopje remains *exactly* the same with
that of the Yugoslav communists the years after the 2nd WW; certainly,
today they are more careful since they haven't the support of
their communist comrades who no longer exist. However, their propaganda
is possibly worse : maps showing the "Great Macedonia", allegations
for the existence of a "Macedonian" population in Greece... 
I really wonder where all these assertions do they originate, don't you?

>Best regards
See you around...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: jdd1@cec1.wustl.edu (James Dimos Dimarogonas)
Subject: Question on Macedonia
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:45:50 GMT

Just curious.  I've seen other people saying that the goverement
of  Skopje was elected,  and others not.  I personally remember
some form of elections being held, to decide whethere they would
remain part of Yugoslavia or not.  Were these also elections for
goverement?  If they were, could any one post the results and a
breif explanation of the parties involved?  Thanks.

Regards

James Dimarogonas    <---- Damn it, I'm gonna have to get a better
                           signature than that. I'm growing jealous
                           of all those huge and meaningless sigs.
From: am@sys.uea.ac.uk (Tassos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:56:45 GMT
     <BtAo5G.H52@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <5836@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
     <1992Aug20.224715.26712@cs.umb.edu>
Organization: University of East Anglia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0

>Message-ID: <1992Aug20.224715.26712@cs.umb.edu>
>Date: 20 Aug 92 22:47:15 GMT
>References: <MACRAKIS.92Aug19132750@next4.osf.org>
<1992Aug19.192929.27974@wuecl.wustl.edu>
>Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (USENET News System)
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>Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.cs.umb.edu

In article <1992Aug20.224715.26712@cs.umb.edu> stelios@ra.cs.umb.edu
(Stelios Evgeniou) wrote:
>In article <MACRAKIS.92Aug19132750@next4.osf.org> macrakis@osf.org
(Stavros Macrakis) writes:
>>It seem to me that it is in Greece's interest to have an independent,
>>peaceful, and prosperous Slavo-Macedonia on its northern border.  Of
>>course, there need to be clear treaties about borders.  As for the
>>small number of Slavs in Northern Greece, I see nothing wrong with
>>Slavo-Macedonia keeping in contact with them, just as Greece's
>>consular corps keeps in contact with Greek emigrants abroad and
>>Israel's consular corps keeps in contact with Jews abroad (even if
>>they've never been to Israel).  If any Greek thinks this is a threat,
>>perhaps there is a larger Slavic population in Northern Greece than I
>>thought, and some better solution needs to be found for them.  If
>>there is not a large Slavic population there, what's the problem?
>>
>>	-s
>
> Amen!!! Slavo-Macedonia Yes. Macedonia No.
>
>
>				- nikos -
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: EDUCATION SPECIAL: MAP OF THE WORLD
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:50:20 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Panos Tamamidis  (ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:
>I said:
>>It doesn't prove much, though. For none of us.
>                                         ^^^^^
>	        			 Who the heck is us?

You and me. On re-reading the line above I realize that in my
eager to state my point elegantly, I produced something which
was not very good English. I'm very sorry for the confusion.

Let's try it again, less elegant, but hopefully clearer: You, I, and
everyone else haev to right to whoever we want to brainwashed and
scream in capital letters. However, none of us proves anything with
this behaviour.

> (ii) Greece  in 1988 renamed its northern part Macedonia and Thrace

Hehe, this was a funny one. Wonder where Sasa Koceni got that
information from. Then again, it was popular for a while to claim
that Petrovec, the airport of Skopje had been renamed to Alexander
the Great...

>Then, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY YOU ARE BRAINWASHED !!!!
>
>It proves so many things!!

OK, I give in. It proves two things: you are fond of capital letters
and telling people that they are brain-washed.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Life is wonderful when the wonderlife is full
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: michaili@wakeman.EuroPARC.Xerox.COM (Spyros Michailidis)
Subject: Re: INFORMATION NEEDED ON: Greek Ferry Lines
Keywords: Greek, Ferry Lines, December
Organization: EuroPARC, Cambridge
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:48:19 GMT

In article <19533@drutx.ATT.COM>, bish@druhi.ATT.COM (Biswadip Ghosh) writes:
|> We are planning a trip to Greece in December, 1992 and would really 
|> appreaciate any information on Greek Ferry Service to the various
|> Greek Islands during the period 12/16/92-1/8/93.
|> 
|> We are interested in visiting Santorini, Crete, Rhodos, and also
|> go all the way to Alezandria in Egypt.
|> 

Ferry services are definetely not shutdown during Winter.

I am sure that there must be at least one ferry service every other day during
that period to Santorini, Crete and Rhodos. Other smaller islands are serviced 
only once a week during Winter but you needn't worry about those three.

It's been a while since I travelled there, so a very rough estimate of ticket 
prices (deck, no cabin) is:
	Santorini		DRS 5000
	Crete or Rhodos 	DRS 8000 	[netters correct if these are totally
						wrong!]

Ferry lines: Ventouris ferries, 
	     Minoan Lines (for Crete, but not very good as far as I know)
	     and ... (i can't remember of others)

I know nothing about Alezandria.

|> Thanks,
|> Bish

Spyros

PS: It might be a little cold and windy by then, but it's always beautiful :-)
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From: striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos 1-0815)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Misc question about Maastricht treaty
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:56:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: kocrsw06.9208191356.AA02287
Reply-To: striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com

A side issue from all the hubbub. So far it appears that Denmark is
the only country that has rejected the Maastricht (sp?) treaty in EC.
What would happen if all 11 remaining partners vote in favor of it?
Would the Danish go back and revote, would EVERYONE go back and
revote, or would EVERYONE go back to Maastricht and come up with a new
treaty acceptable to all?

This came up in a discussion and I had no answer off the top of my head.

Please reply via e-mail. 

Thanks

Spiros
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Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: c8826859@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE MACEDONIAN STATE-------->IS INEVITABLE)
Subject: OBEDINATA MAKEDONIJA
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:45:22 GMT

MAKEDONIJA  =  VARDARSKA MAKEDONIJA + PIRINSKA MAKEDONIJA + EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA


          MACEDONIA IS ON FULL STEAM AHEAD TO BE RECOGNISED BY THE WORLD 

     AND GREECE AS WELL.

     MAKEDONIJA ON PETROVDEN(A MACEDONIAN DAY) HELD A WORLD WIDE DEMONSTRATION
  AGAINST GREEK PROPAGANDA .IN AUSTRALIA DEMONSTRATIONS WERE HELD IN EVERY 
  CITY IN AUSTRALIA WHICH SUM TO A TOTAL OF 143,000 PEOPLE WHICH IS THE 
  PROPER ESTIMATE.NOW I WANT A GREEK TO TELL ME HOW CAN THERE NOT BE 
  MACEDONIANS, WHO ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR THERE HOMELAND IN MAKEDONIJA.
     GREEKS A UNITED MACEDONIA EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE
   1913   AND WILL EXIST IN THE NEAR FUTURE.GREEKS IF YOU WANT TO RENAME AGEAN
  MACEDONIA , MACEDONIA IN YOUR BOOKS AND NOT INTERNATIONALLY,BE OUR 
 GUESTS AND SUPPORT OUR MACEDONIA TO BE UNITED AGAIN SO WE CAN SPEND OUR 

  SUMMER HOLIDAYS ON THE AGEAN COASTLINE OF MACEDONIA.
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Skopje's Swiss Dreams (was: MACEDONIA: A SWITZERLAND...)
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:47:42 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Aug17.195023.28101@sys.uea.ac.uk>, by am@sys.uea.ac.uk (Tassos):
 
> I believe that there is a clique of ex-communists running the Skopjean
> (or whatever they should be called)

Macedonian?

> government. I would like to see free elections there, as soon as possible; Don't you?

Why not if they are due? The problem is I doubt if they'd change
anything with regard to the claim to nationality and name of the country.

>>>  They also claim that Macedonians, including ancient Macedonians, were not
Greeks!!!


>>Why exclamation marks this is a perfectly respectable, though debatable,
>>academic position.

 
> I do NOT think that the most prominent (even British) academics would
> agree with you. Help yourself in the library of your University.

 
Sorry here it's you who are just wrong. There are plenty of books which
debate this issue, some come to the conclusion that Macedonians were
Greeks, albeit adding that their society was *very* different to that of the rest of
the ancient Greeks (I can't think of one which would say life in
Macedonia was at all similar to that in the Greek city-states of the
south. I suppose Thessaly might offer a potential parallel), others that the Macedonians were not Greeks  and a lot come to the conclusion that we just can't
determine the ethnic origins of the ancient Macedonians at all. The more
enlightened ones go on to remark why should we care any way. This
issue is a debatable one and there is no sign of it being resolved at all.
I'm interested in the "even" part of the above remarks. Is this casting
a general doubt on the work of my colleagues? or is it a more sinister
claim that only nationals of anyone country can interpret its past? This
would seem a dangerous claim for a Greek as there was no such thing as in
antiquity as a state called Greece - the nearest thing to it was imposed from outside - first
by Macedon then by Rome.

>>Why shouldn't the world recognise a group who are united in wanting to be Macedonians - especially when they speak a
>>language called Macedonian?
>>
> Because, although they want to be Macedonians, they are not. Simple,
> isn't it? As for the last sentence of your message, it is exactly what we call
> a vicious circle.

Frankly your argument sounds like a vicious circle. You define
Macedonians as being "Greek" and then define out of this category a
group of people who live in a country called Macedonia and speak
Macedonian, doesn't look too convincing does it? 


I'm on holiday for a couple of weeks now, but don't worry, like that great
man with the Uzi, I'll be back.


Andy
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:06:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug20.055627.28891@wam.umd.edu>, yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VE
LISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS) writes:

>       Nai twra arxiste kai tous tsakwmous kai na deite poso
>0a stenaxwreisetai tous filous mas tous skopianous...:((
>       Makrakh mia erwthsh. Poies 0eseis yposthrizeis;
>
>yiannis

Nai, swthikes twra. O Makrakhs exei ellhniko onoma. Den exei tipote allo
ellhniko mesa tou, kai den dinei dyara pisteuw kai an akoma h Ellada exane
pote th Makedonia kai th Thrakh kai gyrize sta synora tou 1912, h kai an akoma
epaue na yparxei.

Kammia diathesh gia flames kai oute prokeitai na asxolhthw me auto to atomo,
apla thn entypwsh mou lew.

-- 
------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
<dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle
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