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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:16:25 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)

Chuck, Thanks for the thorough article on HIV transmission via oral
sex. If you're interested in the question, but skipped the article
because it was long, go back and reread it.

I have two questions:

Your post is biased unprotected oral sex is more-or-less safe. I say
this because your messages is largely readable as a justification for
cocksucking without a condom. Did you come to this conclusion because
you objectively thought it was true, or were you hoping to find it was
the case, or... ? I don't mean to offend by asking this question, but
the topic of HIV infection is so sensitive that it seems appropriate.

Are these guys for real? :
>"Avoid all sexual contact." (U S Centers for Disease Control,
>recorded information hotline, Atlanta, 3/87)
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From: waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: Dunn, Gorton undecided on ban
Date: 28 Jan 1993 09:40:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


KIRO is reporting that the two Republican congresstypes from Washington,
Rep. Jennifer Dunn and Sen. Slade Gorton, are as yet undecided on whether to
push for maintaining the military ban.  

Gorton is generally a conservative jerk, but his '88 opponent, Mike Lowry,
was just elected governor, so he may sense a change in the direction of
the wind.  He's up for reelection in '94.  

Dunn is a self-proclaimed moderate from Bellevue, who ran on a mostly
pro-choice platform.  

A call, a letter, or a fax to either can't hurt, and might even help.  

Personal to Bil:  Another reason to lift the ban--if the Republicans are
generally for it, how good can it be?  

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:59:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.194324.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>	I have a question for those in the soc.motss world: Have any of you
>ever experienced sexual harassment from another queer.

Not personally, but I have known people from both "sides" of the
crime.  While there are those who consciously prowl the halls of the
office with sex and conquest on their minds, I think that there are
also those who just want to be friends but have not learned the proper
social graces.  Instead of asking a co-worker out for a social event
and testing the waters before admitting that they are attracted to
this person, some seem to jump the gun and say stuff that is
inappropriate.
 

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Nancy Reagan [eeeeek!]
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:20:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.210146.1840@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

>Deep dish about Nancy in, where else, the NY Times, in
>Maureen Dowd's and Frank Rich's special Inaugural column,
>"The Boomers' Ball" (1/21/93)...

God, that was wonderful.  I loved it.  Talk about low-class!

>"In the middle of the ABS Inaugural Day coverage, a shocking

The American Breeders Society covered the Inaugural?
I expected some new departures, but not quite that much.

>phone call arrived from Nancy Reagan, who did not seem to
>be quite in the spirit of the day."

The ABS is a familiar sight to us as we head north out of
Madison on I90/94.  They do seminal things there, and that's
no bull.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Re: Audrey
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)

In article <1993Jan27.154411.15437@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>Now, if you want to complain about Jimmy Stewart or Gary Cooper or
>(God help us) the Duke, go ahead.

Don't you dare complain about Jimmy Stewart. He's one of the few male
movie characters I worship. Him in Rope? Honey! Wonderful
homoeroticism, not just between the two young men, but between the
more forceful young man and Jimmy Stewart.

Or in Rear Window? Not the greatest role, I admit, but he really
created the character. He was also wonderful in It's a Wonderful Life.
Again, sort of a cheesy role, but he made me tingle.

One of the few things my mother and I could talk about over Christmas
was Jimmy Stewart. She told me all about how she met him one winter
when they were staying in the same lodge in Ontario. I think she was
sixteen at the time.
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From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:19:12 GMT

pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell) writes:

>Are you all talking about Yazz, the black female singer
>or Yazoo the Vince Clarke/Alison Moyet group?
>It is getting very difficult to follow this thread.

Carl "Yaz" Yastrzemski played for the Boston Red Sox
dream team which won the pennant in 1967.  That help?

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Out on the Net
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:42:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.233323.15331@zeus.ieee.org>, sbookey@ep.ieee.org (Seth Bookey) writes:
> So, my big question is, how have others fared on the net when they came out on
> other newsgroups?
>
well, when i was active on misc.kids, everyone there who read my
postings knew i was posting as a pagan lesbian divorced welfare mother.
and i still had fans.  and everyone on alt.pagan knows i am gay (well,
bi now), and i'm not real wellknown on a.s.b. yet, but i'm completely
out there.  i've only had two pieces of unfriendly mail, and that was
someone accusing me of having it out for men just because i was a
lesbian.  wne there was a discussion going on rec.food.veg about
dating around six months ago, i mentioned looking for a vegetarian
woman, whiohc meant coming out, and no one batted an eyelash.  i've
basically had no trouble being out on the net, and i'm generally a very
frequent poster in any group i read...  i hear so much abotu anti-gay
and anti-woman hate mail, but i've never gotten any.  (NOT, mind you,
that this is a request for any!)

                                        -ailsa

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:55:49 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.124508.15752@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:

>>Why do people think it odd to drink cold coffee?  Not as of habit, but
>>as a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  After all, iced-tea isn't
>>exactly unknown....

>I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
>tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
>coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
>wasn't that simple?

Iced tea is still a refreshing drink, even in winter -- we probably go
through 2-3 gallons of the stuff a week.

"Cold coffee", however, is different from "iced coffee".  Coffee left
sitting, reaching something just below room temperatute, is disgusting.
Over ice, or better yet over ice made from coffee, iced coffee can be a 
delightful flavor change.

To make the idea  more palatable, try pouring fresh, hot coffee over 
2 or 3 scoops of vanilla or chocolate ice cream or frozen yogurt.  The
flavor combination is wonderful, and much better waist-wise than a lot
of gooey syrups.

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From: mckay@cambridge (Kyle McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: That tantalizing centimetre short!
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:19:58 GMT
Organization: CERFnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: mitchell.com

In <C117qH.8ow@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <heard.727049972@franklin> heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard) writes:

>>anon.106@pax.tpa.com.au writes:
>>
>>>Any advice/shared experiences for a guy who is trying auto-fellatio 
>>>but who still finds himself
>>>              A tantalizing centimetre or so short
>>
>>Hmmm, suddenly it doesn't seem so bad that the anonymous posting service at
>>Adelaide has just shut down...

>Not that they couldn't continue to post through anon.penet.fi instead.

>I don't know that it's so bad, anyway.  I find myself in a similar
>situation, but I think I know what I could do to remedy it -- lose
>weight and exercise regularly.  I'm still weighing the various
>alternatives ...

>(Actually, the best alternative of all would be to find a regular
>boyfriend.)

That said, stretching exercises can do wonders.  :-) :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:03:52 GMT

In article <1jmvquINNp94@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.160816.26950@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>(2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
>>of cold milk;
>AND you MUST pour the milk BEFORE the tea, or you are REALLY a heathen!

No no no no no... Milk In First is so vulgar...  Milkless tea is
quite acceptable.  You must have been talking to members of the
Lower Classes.

				Kay
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From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Potential fallout from lifting the US military ban (was Re: Into the streets!)
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:49:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.221051.7439@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) writes:

>This is the biggest danger I see right now, that Clinton will back
>down on this. That would be bad for us. Solution? Make sure he doesn't
>back down.

Fortunately, it would also be bad for Clinton.  If he is as smart as I
think he is, he knows that he can't afford to lose this one, on
penalty of being perceived as weak and unreliable.  It is too high
profile; Clinton may regret getting into it, but now he is into it.
It is even more of a must win proposition for gays and lesbians, of
course, because of its enormous symbolic meaning.  The symbolic
meaning is what the opposition is about, in fact; as usual the
arguments are secondary.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:05:38 GMT

In article <74022@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> Nelson Minar writes:
> >I've heard rumours, though, that the doctor character is going to be
> >our gay character on the show. I certainly hope it's not true - his  
> >character is quite revolting. I'd rather he was killed in a freak
 
> So far, I consider the two most interesting characters on the show
> to be Commander Sisko and Odo.

I loved the LDS sequence in the season premiere, and Odo
shows great promise.

It has been established that Odo is a sort of orphan. He does not know his
origins. He is a total outsider to the human spectrum of beings, can
shapeshift at will, and maintains the form you see as Odo for the
convenience of teh humans. Since he has the capability of taking any form he
wishes, gender really has little meaning in his case.  That coupled with the
DAX factor ( DAX was an old man the last time Sisko worked with.. they
worked together) It could be that they are positioned to say a lot about
gender and social interaction with characters like these.
rememebr that the last time a character of Dax's race was in ST/TNG, it was
the episode with a gender bender theme too)

LUX ./. owen

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[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:57:17 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.235502.745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar), who of course is one of our biggest
sweeties, writes:

>In article <mattm-210193121236@mcmelmon.apple.com>
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>>[of me:]
>>I hadn't realized how truly disadvantaged you were,
>>Jezeboo.

>"And one day the chicken woman had chicks, and everyone
>stepped on them because they were sooooo ugly."

I appreciate the sentiment, and similar expressions last
week, but it isn't really necessary (not on my behalf,
anyway).  He seems to get off on it, and apart from maybe
boredom, no one is hurt by it.  It's sort of like smog.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:31:02 GMT

In article <1k4j53INNcqr@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.200906.23519@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>|> Clay Bond was never vulgar, or stupid, for that matter.
>
>I think that you are beatifying Clay.  I can think of a number of times
>where he was hostile without reason/thought.

Actually, I think you're beatifying him.

(And I bet he loves it!)

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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:24:08 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1993Jan22.021151.8971@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>   Although I've been accused of it, I DID NOT vote for Lincoln.
>       (But Jess A. did!)  =)

Actually, you're wrong.  He voted in that election, but for Douglas; in fact,
he was the inspiration for the jessobyte...
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"Sometimes you wake up.  Sometimes the fall kills you.  And sometimes, when
you fall, you fly."                                                -- N. Gaiman
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:28:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <19930125155206ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-210193170137@mcmelmon.apple.com>, on 22 Jan 1993 01:02:53 GMT,
> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> >All that notwithstanding, Hoover Tower would make for a great
> >place to boink.
> >
> 
> Hmm. I guess it must be bubble-buttressed. :-)
> 
>     =Jack=

HOOOOWWWWLLLL!  Oh, oh, oh - let me catch my breath - yes, just
a minute - let go, darling, yes, I know you do - quit moving
your head so much - you'll spill my drink...

A-hem - you're an evil man, Jack B. Nimble - I just want you 
to know that.

*X*
(who forgot - silly me - about this thread until Mad Bop the
Twinkmeister from *Wood*side claimed that he had made some
clever, witty, *nasty* comment - which seems to have *X*pired
- not that I actually put much faith in the Mad Bop coming
up with something clever and witty (nasty he can do - clever,
witty?  No...))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Hofstra U and skibberene
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:48:22 GMT

larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:

>   In "As Is" by William Hoffman, Hofstra U is mentioned.  Is that
>   a) the correct spelling and b) in New York?

Yes and yes.  It is in Hempstead, Long Island.

>   The word skibberene (phonetic spelling)?  Whaaaaaa??????

There is a town called Skibbereen in County Cork, Ireland.  Does the
context make that plausible?
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
From: jfl@panix.com (Jeff Lipton)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:25:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.190006.12270@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.172206.14782@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>rough and thick from all that woodchopping and VAX system management.
>                                                ^^^
>Most be a story about trolls.
>There is a whole generation of 20-something computer hackers that have never seen a VAX.


 --- And to think I lost my virginity to a PDP 11/03 in the dark
basements of Temple University years back... Flipping those console
switches, poring over MACRO-11 code.. Alas, no burly sysadmins came
to console me...
 - Jeff (pants still dry)

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Stonewall in perspective
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:29:34 GMT

> randyc@Autodesk.COM (Randy Clark) writes:
>
>	Of course, it's a commonplace of history that
>	uprisings, rebellions, and the like happen not when
>	people are *totally* repressed, but when things are
>	already getting better -- just not fast enough or
>	freely enough to meet people's expectations.

Sorta like today, you mean? :-)
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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Nancy Reagan [eeeeek!]
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan22.151510.5640@dvorak.amd.com>
	<1993Jan22.170219.21284@tc.cornell.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:57:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.170219.21284@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes: 

   Is anyone else reminded of Martha Mitchell?

Can you imagine Nancy R. on the game-show circuit?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Are Queens Bitchier, Really?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:55:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.224643.10527@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>While not necessarily disagreeing with what follows, I have to ask:
>don't nobody around here know how to read?

Seems not.

>I assume the lack of parallelism between Richard's adjectives and
>Steve's is deliberate. Steve's remark makes much more sense if you
>note that he carefully does not deny that Clay could be hateful.

Thank you.

>And, for the most part, I'd rather read Bond than Melmon anytime. This
>doesn't say much about what I think of them as people, since I've
>never met either of them.

As long as we're deconstructing Melmon, it's that he's almost always
maladroit.  Some of you seem to think that his attacks against Jess
and/or Arne were terribly funny, but they struck me as simply ham-fisted
examples of how to miss the mark entirely, which is why I find him tedious.

>For the record: Matthew's comments about people getting what they
>deserve (you all know what I'm talking about) were, indeed, hateful,
>vulgar, stupid, and thoroughly offensive.

Oh, my.  You didn't think he was being _funny_?  Strirring the pot, as it were?
Where's your sense of humor?

-- 
Steve Dyer
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