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From: jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu (John P Yu)
Subject: Re: Out of Bounds
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:23:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.114856.20548@NeoSoft.com> sideout@NeoSoft.com (Edwin Kelly) writes:

>   This is what I meant by my last post of "Under the net and Out of
> Bounds"...

>     Following is the court:

>  -------------------------------------------
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          | 2
> - - - - - - - - N E T - - - - - - - - - - -
> |                                    1     |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
> |                                          |
>  ------------------------------------------

>     What happened was:
>     The person hit the ball at position 1 and then proceeded to position
> 2 without setting foot on our court.  Was it in violation or not?
>
>     If any further explanation is required...I will be reading...
>
>     Edwin
> -- 

  By USVBA rules, it is not a violation unless he interfered with
  an opponent.  The centerline has no assumed extension.

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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Japan vs. USA (spoil, comment)
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:51:54 GMT

  Hello! I watcheed the last portion of the triplecast and then rewatched
  some of this on NBC's later coverage. Here are some things I discovered
  while watching the latter that I didn't know from the former:

  Controversial Game 4 ending:


Nippon 13, USA 13: Japan wins a point on their own serve. This puts
the score at 14-13 for Japan. Bob Samuelson apparently receives his
___2nd___ yellow card of the game! This should mean a point for 
Japan.....and the match!!!!! But the head ref thinks this is his
first yellow despite the down ref arguing that it's the 2nd. Play on.

USA 15, Nippon 14. A 10 is set to Timmons on the right side. He
drives it home for the kill, but the down ref calls it a back row
attack! Sideout. Replay shows that Timmons is clearly behind the line.
Game should go to USA.

16-all. Japan serves. During play, one of the Japanese is in the net
and the down ref calls it. He does so apparently by blowing his
whistle, walking to the right side of the net (the USA side), motioning
against the net, and pointing at the Japan side. Two other important
things occur: the head ref sees/hears _none_ of this; the Japanese
player who was in the net heard and saw the down ref make the call
except for the point to Japan's side! He assumes it was the USA in
the net since that's the side where the down ref went! So he begins
to celebrate - he thinks it's point Japan! But that's not true!
Play continues until Japan lets the ball drop since they all begin
to celebrate! At first the ref calls point USA, but then overrules
and has a replay! Should have been sideout USA.

Anyhow, USA went on to win that game. It was the first of these three
incidents that Japan is calling into protest. Additionally, I don't
know if you already know, but Brian Ivie's injury occurred while
cleaning the floor before a point! He's got strained ligaments.
From what I know of strains, he may be able to play before the
Olympics are over.

Game 5:

Japan spikes from the left (where the head ref is). The ball is blocked and
appears to be somewhere near the line where the hitter was. The linesman
calls it in. The head ref, not 5 feet from the spot, says it was clearly 
out. Replay from down the sideline: definitely in.

It's interesting that the NBC coverage has better replays.

The above are only my (hopefully) objective observations of the situations.
It appears USA got a lot of calls going the wrong way, but I think the match
was already over. Sorry USA, I think Japan's protest will prevail.

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From: koppes@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Rosaine Koppes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: USA over Canada
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:41:45 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.



USA defeated Canada this morning... in 5 games.



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From: tomoo@hpmctt.mcm.hp.com (Tomoo Taguchi)
Subject: OLYMPIC RESULTS POSTING PROTOCOL
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:41:43 GMT

For those of us that want to read and discuss olympic volleyball
results, but still don't want to know the results before seeing it on
tape delay, I'd like to propose that subject lines contain the game that
will be discussed in the posting.  So, please post "JAPAN vs USA
RESULTS," no "OLYMPIC RESULTS."  Sounds fair?

Tomoo
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From: jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu (John P Yu)
Subject: Re: USA v. Japan comments
Organization: Columbia University
	<1992Jul28.134848.21825@intellistor.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:32:42 GMT


Well here's my $0.02 on the controversy.

The Brazilian down ref wanted the 1st ref to give a
yellow card to Samuelson.  If the 1st ref had been
keeping count, he probably wouldn't have done so at
that point - had another player committed the same
violation you can bet he would have been nailed as it
wouldn't have precipated a red card and decided the
game.

But once the yellow card was produced, by the rules
Japan should have won.  You can fault the down ref
for wanting the call or the top ref for not keeping
track of the yellow cards, but the onus is on the
player to stay in the match.  He probably shouldn't
have been red-carded for "carrying on", but the
officals were within their rights.  Sure, they blew
some calls, but that's part of the game - with the
ball whizzing around like that.

In any event, the USA SHOULD have rolled over the
Japanese and they didn't.  It wasn't a mystery
that the Japanese were going to Nakagaichi 70-80%
of the time and only Samuelson was able to get
close to blocking him.   Ctvrtlik, Samuelson and
Stork were the only servers with anything close 
to an ace.  And Timmons WAS the US attack - they
got the ball to the middle once a week and Stork
wasn't a factor.  Ctvrtlik and Fortune were stuffed
alot because of the bad passing.  Partie was great
with the few sets he got.  What the hell was Bob
Samuelson dinking for?  It came up everytime.

Did the U.S. deserve to win?  Did Japan?  Probably
yes to both.  Japan was up and the US was flat, the
yellow card changed the complexion of the game for
both sides - Japan thought it had won and the US
guys were pissed off.  Fact is Samuelson should have
been keeping track of his yellow cards and Fortune/
Sturm had to emphasize the fact.  Remember the refs
nailed Kiraly at the last Olympics, so you shouldn't
expect special treatment at 14-13.

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From: harvey@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Harvey Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Bryan Ivie
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:15:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


What was Ivie's injury?  Does anyone know?  I heard it was a torn ligament in
the knee.  Say it ain't so!!!  IMHO, the U.S. needs Ivie if they are going
to have a chance at the Gold.

Harvey
From: kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (The Crazy Hawaiian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: US Mens Team
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:07:05 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

In article <1992Jul29.145913.89597@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> ugoni@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>Can anyone give me a list of the USA's mens team. Obviously Karch isn't
>playing, what is the reason for this?
>
>Antony
>

Sorry I don't a complete list of the USA's mens team but I was watching an
interview done with Karch. There were two main reasons:

1. Since his beach vb career has taken off, he rarely has time to spend
   with his family. Thus, we wanted to stay in the states close to home.

2. He already won two gold medals and wanted to give others chance, as well
   as he feels 2 gold medals is enough.

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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Lori Endicott
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:11:56 GMT

   What? Lori Endicott wasn't setting for the US team? Are you sure?
There must be something wrong with her. She is probably one of the best
setters in the world. Not the best blocker, but hey, she's only 5'9"
tall. Or should I say short? Anyway, how can they bench her? The nerve
of that coach to bench the cutest woman on the team. Is she married?
What about Daiva Tomkus? She's a cutey too! Zowie!	

   30 minutes til the start of the Women's game.


                                             - Drummer -



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From: swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)
Subject: Re: USA vs. Japan (update on prior post)
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:00:44 GMT


The Olympic Committee has upheld Japan's protest.

Team "We can't pass and stay-out-of-the-net" USA loses to Team "We can
pass" Japan.

*swfc

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From: rsmith@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Rick Smith)
Subject: USA Protest
Organization: Process Automation Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:04:05 GMT


 Last night NBC hinted that the USA team was going to protest the
reversal of their match against Japan.  The anchor said that rumor has
it that Timmons shaved his head just after an interview on NBC and
that ALL his teammates followed his lead.  No more BIG RED. The head
ref's definitely won't be able to remember which bald guy they gave
the yellow card too...

Rick
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From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:16:15 GMT

In <1992Jul22.153340.8169@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu writes:

> In article <1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
> wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:
> 
      [...Eric Sato as human cannon ball deleted...]
> 
> I would hope that taking off inside the court and playing the ball in
> the air is legal. Spiking's hard enough as it is.
> 
      [...stuff deleted...]

Well, I've seen Eric Wang play volleyball.  And his feet never leave the floor
when he spikes !-)

Ooo, I think I'm in trouble now.
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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA (spoil, comment)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:24:50 GMT

In article <MONTNARO.92Jul27121925@spyder.crd.ge.com>, montnaro@spyder.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.134724.5966@infonode.ingr.com> scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
|> 
|>    |> 
|>    |> It's interesting that the NBC coverage has better replays.
|>    |> 
|> 	   Yep, I agree.
|> 
|> Let's be fair here. The triplecast folks may have very little chance to edit
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      We wouldn't be having any discussion on the game if fairness was
      involved - the US would've bowed out after the second game!

|> things before you see them. (I don't know for sure, but I suspect it's
|> viewed on the triplecast station(s) before the regular NBC broadcast.)
|> Besides, if they're losing money on the triplecast, they may have redirected
|> resources toward other, more profitable, area. The producers have more time
|> before the regular broadcast to decide what might be interesting to viewers
|> and edit together a sequence that has better camera angles, more commentary
|> on how good or bad the play and officiating is, etc.
  
      So what is your point - do you work for the triplecast person(s)??
      The volleyball segment of NBC's coverage was very good, in MHO( as
      I stated before ). If you want to see everything all at once, get
      triplecast. If you want to see portions of the Olympics and spend more
      time playing outside, stay public w/ NBC! 

      Who cares how the triplecast people do what they do - what I see on
      the boob-tube is what matters. That's why I spend more time playing! ;)

|> 
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|> Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com)

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From: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Subject: Mikasa's Address
Reply-To: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:01:36 GMT

Does anybody have Mikasa's address? I need to write them because of
there balls. They really suck. Mine popped after 4 months. Please send
mail! tanks!

-Mike

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From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT NOT *
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:58:28 GMT
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
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We're back in the middle of battle between Peter Wung and Evil Twin...

***I started out this mess with this comment;

> >> >As to the statement of Japan outplaying USA.  If the protest wasn't upheld
> >> >who would have won the match?

***Peter Wung replied;

> >> Wait a second, the Japanes team got shellacked by the USA team this past
> >> year.  They were 0-2 in matches against the US, 0-6 in games...

 No bearing on the match in question.

> >>                                                           ...In terms of
> >> overall ability, the US is far superior than the Japanes, but they just
> >> plain outhustled the US team.  They got a bunch of digs and blocks and
> >> were able to play great fundamental ball, i.e. passing, hitting etc.  So
> >> yes, the Japanese outplayed the Americans, but the American talent was
> >> good enough to win even though they played like shit.

***I poo-poo Peter's opinions;

> >Does not compute.  In a match Team A plays great fundamental ball.  Team A
> >gets a lot of digs and blocks.  Team B wins.  Now if Team A did so well,
> >but Team B wins, doesn't that mean that Team B must have outplayed Team A?

***Peter doesn't believe my expressed logic;

> Not if you take into account the talents present on both teams.  The bottom
> line is, the US should have trounced the Japanese on paper and didn't...

 In your opinion the Japanese should have been trounced by USA.  This is
 real life, not a computer simulation.

>                                                                   ...The
> Japanese overachieved and the US underachieved, particularly when it comes
> to the basics of the game.  So I would say the Japanese outplayed the
> Americans because the match should not have been close at all.

 In response I'll say (Japanese overachievement) < (US underachievement).  Thus
 the USA did the "outplaying."  You haven't used any arguments that will make
 me change my mind.
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From: toni@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Toni Vick)
Subject: USA/Japan Women-RESULTS
Originator: toni@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:06:09 GMT

How about some support/interest in the womens matches...
  In one match today, Japan defeated USA in another tense 5-gamer, 3-2. The
US mens team were seen in the audience watching.
  For the US, IMHO, Weishoff was outstanding, Kemner not so. Teee Sanders had
some great moments, but then she'd go into a "funk" also. Way too many
hitting errors for the US. Yoko Zetterlund (sp?) was used extensively at
the setting position -- was Endicott ill or just ineffective or was the
coach searching for a "spark" or what?
  The Japanese (both men and women) play with such great consistency and
control. This allows them to stay in matches and not make errors no matter
what the score.

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From: jsandler@encore.com (Jeff Sandler)
Subject: Re: Lori Endicott
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:59:56 GMT

umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:

>   What? Lori Endicott wasn't setting for the US team? Are you sure?
>There must be something wrong with her. She is probably one of the best
>setters in the world. Not the best blocker, but hey, she's only 5'9"
>tall. Or should I say short? Anyway, how can they bench her? The nerve
>of that coach to bench the cutest woman on the team. Is she married?
>What about Daiva Tomkus? She's a cutey too! Zowie!	

>   30 minutes til the start of the Women's game.


>                                             - Drummer -

As I understand it, Lori was suffering from a virus of some sort..
had a bad upset stomach (as opposed to a good one?)..
So the other setter (I forget her name - the Japanesse one) set
about half the match.  Talk was htat it made it tough for them to
get into a goof offensive flow, but she did a decent job anyway.

I didn't get to see any of it.


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From: oski@leland.Stanford.EDU (L. Ravi Narasimhan)
Subject: Bob Ctvrtlik's comments on Fortune's play
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:11:56 GMT

Bravo  to Bob C. for giving Fortune what-for in the match against Spain.
Maybe it will do some good.  This is  fine example of a veteran stepping
in to provide leadership and setting standards.  Now that they've heard
the  call, let's hope they can get it underway....


				--- Ravi Narasimhan

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From: aaron@gauss.eecs.umich.edu (Aaron Barry Kiely)
Subject: Michigan Open Results (AVP)
Reply-To: aaron@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:54:28 GMT

Kiraly-Steffes defeated Powers-Dodd in the finals.  This breaks the record for 
consecutive open victories in a single season (11), formerly held by 
Smith-Stoklos, who finished in fifth place.  I believe 3rd went to 
Luytties(?)-Whitmarsh and 4th went to Johnson-Frohoff.

Kiraly-Steffes really looked unstoppable in all of their games.  I don't think 
any of the teams they played had any idea about how to beat them.
From: cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: What I think Fred-bo (Sturm, the USA coach) should do
Date: 28 Jul 1992 17:22:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Jul28.033944.4736@leland.Stanford.EDU> oski@d31mf0.Stanford.EDU (L. Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
> [...]
>I also found it very ironic that it was a Brazilian ref who yellow
>carded Samuelson.  His countrymen have to be amongst the worst, if not
>the worst, trash-talkers in volleyball.  And there is no love lost
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>between USA and Brazil.

Could you please elaborate on your last point? Is it just an act of
insanity on your part, motivated by the rage of having lost
a game, or you happen to have something concrete against Brazilians
(including myself) and the way we talk and play volleyball?

You better think twice before offending people for free.

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From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: bouncing the ball/time before serve
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:01:54 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul17.232948.13490@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu
(Eric Wang) writes:
>
>Yes, the rules (nowadays) specifically allow the server to go through
>any kind of obvious pre-serve ritual, so long as (a) the ball isn't
>tossed up and caught, (b) the server serves within 5 seconds of the
>whistle, and (c) the sacrificial virgins are decently attired.  (Oops,
>wrong newsgroup.)  Bouncing the ball downwards prior to your serve is
>allowed.  (I suppose throwing the ball down so it bounces way high up,
>then catching it..."  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Sounds like a yellow card to me...