HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:11:17 GMT

Thomas Kunich writes:

> I find Matrix rims to be very stiff, light and a little brittle
> so be careful not to overtighten because you'll pull out the nipples.
> (Whoops, yes indeed I did.)

Maybe you should stay away from these rims if they are that fragile.  I
have built plenty of wheels and have never had a spoke break out while
building a wheel.  Any rim worth riding will invariably collapse into
a pretzel before spoke even think of pulling through.  Improperly set
steel grommets can come out but cracking a rim is out of the question.

What is more telling about this break out problem is that it rarely
occurred before the advent of hard anodized rims.  As I mentioned, and
Thomas either didn't read or chooses to ignore is that crazing on the
surface of hard anodized rims is visible under suitable lighting even
before spoking up.  This is especially so if you clean the rim with a
de-greaser.  Oil wets the cracks and makes them invisible to the bare eye.
Most rims are oiled before shipping to make them look uniformly dark and
so you can't see the cracks.

I would feel better about your contentions Thomas if you would explain
why you are certain of some of these things.  I have spent much time
researching the subject and give all these ways that you can reassure
yourself that what I say isn't conjecture, and you say it isn't so.
Please explain so it doesn't ring like a shot in the dark.  I'd like
to know where it is coming from.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton")
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Missouri tour
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:44:42 GMT

Does anyone have any information on the 540 mile Missouri 'Tour of the
Ozarks'?  That may not be the correct name.  But from what I gather it is
a Stateline to Stateline tour.

John Easton                           ----  ___@      "What this world
                                    ---- __T\  \_      needs is a few
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From: wittenberg@zendia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: USCF and recumbents
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:49:01 GMT
Reply-To: wittenberg@zendia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Jul29.224602.22565@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
 les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:

|> 
|> What I actually said was that short wheelbase recumbents (overall
|> length less than 2 meters) may be legal in USCF races.  I can't find
|> my May/June HPV News (assuming that it has arrived) so I don't know
|> exactly what Tarbert said, ...

My copy came yesterday, so yours will probably arrive soon.
|> 
|> As I reported here about six months ago, the two-person Technical
|> Commission's "interpretation" asserting that recumbents are illegal in
|> massed start races cites USCF Rule 1I2a but is puzzling in several
|> ways.
|> 

|> 
|> 2. Rule 1I2a could plausibly be invoked for a particular recumbent design
|>    if it presents a danger to other riders in a massed start event,
|>    but it is presumptuous to conclude that _all possible_ recumbent
|>    designs would have this property.
|> 

|> 
|> Having said that, let me acknowledge that none of the short-wheelbase
|> recumbents that I've seen get around Point 2 above -- they all seem to
|> have chain rings and cranks in frontal positions that would pose a
|> safety hazard to other riders and so should not be admitted to massed
|> start races.  However, a design that does not pose such dangers should
|> be admitted.  That is the way that I will continue to approach such
|> questions in the races I run.
|> 
|> --
|> Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
|> Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
|> UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
|> 

The letter in HPV news explicitly said that the problem was not with the
high bottom bracket, but with concerns about visibility of a recumbent
which he assumed was lower than a diamond bike.  I don't have the 
letter in front of me, so this is not a quote.

--David Wittenberg
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:29:38 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <BrK4p0.L5u@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes:
>
>
>>He [Barry Tompkins] also mispronounces European place-names and sometimes
>>says "Tour de France" with an "a" sound like in the American pronunciation
>>of "apple"
>
>Greg Lemond likewise 'mispronounces' "France."  And the French cycling
>aficionados return the favor by calling Greg "lemon," as in the tart fruit.

Given the fact that Lemond is of French origin (LeMonde), I would not be
too critical of the French pronounciation of his name...

As far as pronouncing France with an "ae", that's standard Midwestern
pronounciation, isn't it?

Employer may disagree
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Keywords: n
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:00:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California

jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
> I would stay away from gas and similar
> short-chain (no pun intended) hydrocarbon substances.  Unless you
> rinse them *really* well, they leave traces that just breakdown your
> lube as soon as you put it on.

These hydrocarbons are pretty volatile.  Just wait a little while and
they'll go away on their own.  Somebody suggested flushing a freewheel
with water after cleaning with solvent.  The water will be much harder
to get rid of than the solvent; it's likely to hang around inside and 
rust things.

Even if you do leave traces behind, will they really break down your lube,
or just dilute it until they evaporate?

I'd say the main problem is the health risk of dosing yourself with 
organic solvents.  I always slept poorly after cleaing my chain with
white gas in the evening...
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
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From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:47:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.193747.26505@col.hp.com>, rstern@col.hp.com (Richard
Stern) wrote:
> 
> > Lubing the chain:
> >  [ different lubes deleted ]
> 
> Does anyone use Finish Line??  I use it and like it, but I'm wondering
> why I don't ever hear anyone else mention it.
> 

I've been using Finish Line.  It works well enough.  Problems: expense; I
don't like sprays - wasteful, messy; and it attracts dirt and gunks up my
gears and derailleur rollers.
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:54:11 GMT

Degrease in citrus-based cleaner (like Citra-Solv).  The stuff works
great and is not harmful to you or the environment.  After cleaning,
use straight parraffin wax, available at local grocery store in the
canning section.  Melt some of the wax in a pan, put the chain in for a
few minutes, remove and hang to dry.  Dispose of the old wax and use
fresh stuff each time (wax is cheap).  Works great for me and lasts
at least 500 miles with no squeaking and doesn't attract dirt.
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Grig Lemmon? (was Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & Td
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:09:05 GMT


> As I said, I prefer Brandt to be pronounced 'Brant'   [ ... ]

Ok, Jobst. This is a good start. Now, please, how do we pronounce
your first name.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be smart-alec or anything; I'm genuinely
curious. I try to pronounce all the letters and come out with something
about 2.5 syllables long...   <:-}

Oh yes, and, for curiosity's sake, from what national origin does your
name derive?

  --scott
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:42:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul22.014439.2876@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
>Hiya folks,
>
>I've got a Fuji Suncrest that I've customized with Bar Ends, Smoke Kevlar
>tires, Performance stem, XT brake levers, and LowFat pedals.  It already
>has a TCO seat post, and a cheap Fuji seat.  However, the bike
>still weights a ton (28/29 lbs)!  I'm a tallish (6'0"), ultra skinny
>guy (135 lbs) so I like it light.  Was wondering if there's anything else I
>can do to drop weight, besides getting a new frame.  Not interested in Ti
>
Get a lightweight seat and lightweight rims.  They'll make a pretty big
difference when you're out of the seat and accelerating.  Hope you kept
all your old parts.  When you upgrade your frame, you should just about
have an entire 2nd bike!

>Also, my rear derailleur is an Exage 500LX.  Is it worth paying $25 for
>a Deore DX derailleur?

Not unless your 500LX is broken.  I don't think it's ever worth it to replace
only one part with something better unless it's broken.  As a matter of fact,
doesn't the Bridgestone RB-2 road bike use a 500LX derailleur??  If it's
good enough for them, it should work for you.
>
>Thanks for any opinions.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Joe "DJ Skinny Lee"          MIT Class o '92 --> Stanford Grad School

-Rick
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: john@lightning.mmm.ucar.edu (John J. Allison)
Subject: Re: Fighting Rust
Organization: STORM Project Office, NCAR, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:20:26 GMT

In article <MeR7Iri00awCAquFV4@andrew.cmu.edu> dd3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Danny R Dalal) writes:
>...  I rinsed the bike down well and dried everything I
>could with a towel.  But the next day I found a tiny bit of rust...

It might be better to wipe your bike down with a wet cloth
and then dry it, instead of rinsing it. This keeps the
water from leaking into those hard to dry areas.

Also, anyone have any thoughts on waxing your bike?

Later,
John J. Allison
john@lightning.mmm.ucar.edu / johna@tigger.cs.colorado.edu
-- 

John J. Allison
john@lightning.mmm.ucar.edu / johna@tigger.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: oppose bike paths - why?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:47:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

First off let me say that pedestrians and novice bicyclists
and the occassional illegal motorcyclist on bicycle paths
are dangerous. But we bicyclists aren't a particularly dumb
breed and in order to save our skins we reduce our speed to
what we perceive to be a safe speed.

This means that traveling on bicycle paths is slower, in some
cases _much_ slower than traveling on proper streets. This alone
limits their use by serious commuters.

But the real danger is at the inevitable intersections with 
normal streets. At these points the automobile is almost always
given right-of-way over the bicycle path traffic. And even if
they place stop signs at these locations for the mechanized traffic
they soon learn that this is a lmited use path and soon ignore the
stop signs. The end result is available in the form of traffic
accident and fatality reports. Almost all of the high rate
of accidents on these paths is at the intersections and involve
automobiles.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Help with an elusive creak?
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:29:30 GMT

Gary Hill writes:

> I would be grateful for any suggestions for the source of a creak that
> my bike has recently developed.  It occurs on the downstroke of the
> left crank, when any degree of force is used.

If it's not your clipless pedals, and most of them squeak, then I would
suggest the rear derailleur cable where is makes its turn at the BB.
I can't hear the nature of the sound you have but this is one of the
classics.  Another is the seat post contacting the inside of the seat
tube.  Lubricating the tip of the seat post usually cures this.  A wear
spot is visible on the seatpost in such an event.

Finally, a cracks frame makes grating sound.  Such cracks occur just above
the down tube shifters on the underside of the tube, in the seat tube near
the BB, chainstays in the crimp for tire clearance (that's why Masi ovalizes
instead), and some other random locations.

Find noise and report!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:34:48 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <71189646411440@oxygen> stein@oxygen (S. Joshua Stein) writes:
>
> The best way to check for a loose headset is NOT to 'hold the front
> brake firmly and rock the bike back and forth'. This can be very
> misleading (many brakes have enough slack to give a false impression of
> headset looseness, which may cause one to overly tighten the headset
> and possibly damage it). 

Not convinced.  I find it immensely trivial to tell the difference
between the spongy sort of play you get if your brakes have a bit of
slack (which, of course, may mean THEY want adjusted as well :-) and
the definitely 'clicky' sort of play you get if your headset is loose.
Of course, I did have lots of practice with a bike whose headset lock
nut refused to lock, so that it needed adjusting about every 100 miles.

I'll agree, though, with the idea that you should then check to make
sure you haven't overtightened the beast -- but then that's true of all
bearings.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
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From: rodney@intihuasi.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
Subject: Re: Replacement Cogs for Shimano Uniglide Cassettes
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ.
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:37:18 GMT


   Does anyone know if it is possible to buy replacement cogs for
   a Shimano 600 Ultegra Uniglide (not Hyperglide) cassette, or am I
   forced to buy an entire cassette?  

   I've called several local shops who have recommended buying a new
   cassette.  I even called "Colorado Cyclist" but they don't carry any 
   non-hyperglide Shimano cassettes.

.....

   It seems to me that the whole point of a cassette system would
   be that you can create your own gear setups without having to
   buy a new cassette everytime you want to change gearing.

   Is it just a matter of finding the right bike shop (Denver/Boulder area),
   or should I breakdown and buy a new cassette?

   Thanks for the help.
   Jim


Yeah, you can get the cogs if you find the right bike shop.  I used to buy
them a couple time a year to replace worn ones on my pre-hyperglide MTB.  They
cost (I last checked about 6 months ago) between $5 - $7.  

--

Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:28:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul28.173759.3734@kestrel.edu>

>>>The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap over
>>>the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels ...
>>
>>Avocet makes a four pronged version that fits quite nicely on 32 spoke hubs.
>>It's on my wheel right over there in the corner of my office ...see?
>>Sorry I don't know the part number, but it is available.
>>
>
>This is puzzling.  I've heard it before.
>
>All wheels have a multiple of four spokes.
>
>Why isn't the four pronged version standard?

Easy - 36 spokes, divided by 2 is 18, which is NOT divisible by 4 very well.
By 3 is pretty good.  So it just snaps on.

32/2=16, divisible by four, so 4-pin rings fit.

Easy?  ;-) ;-)

   -swb-   (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:09:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

And speaking of helmets:

Has anyone here seen the latest DORK ad (If your head is shaped like this)
from Headway?

After taking every opportunity to try and convince people that
helmets look, if not attractive, at least not unattractive, these
horses asses run ads essentially saying that helmets make you look funny.

I think they can safely assume that I'll never handle one of their
products.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:37:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I find Matrix rims to be very stiff, light and a little brittle
so be careful not to overtighten because you'll pull out the nipples.
(Whoops, yes indeed I did.)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Re: Cannondale R800
Reply-To: idelson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:51:02 GMT

In article 12003@exu.ericsson.se, exumart@exu.ericsson.se (Martina Hughes,xt-df,0634) writes:
>I have recently purchased a CANNONDALE R800 and I have one concern.
>I have lost a few low gears and gained some more high gears.  I have ridden the   CANNONDALE for a week now and I find myself riding in the low gears more often as I find the high gears somewhat tough.

 While I realise I may not be in the best shape right now my concern is that the more I ride in the future will I ever build up the strength for riding those high gears

>>You probably will if you ride often.

 Should I consider replacing the range of gears with ones more in my range

>>You might want to change the inner chainring to a 39 (I assume you are currntly
  using a 42). This will also help you on the hills. When you feel stronger, you
  can  put the 42 back and save the 39 for those killer hilly centuries.


>Martina H.
>



Ira Idelson
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Subject: Horns
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:31:55 GMT


Along the lines of the Honking Horns thread, what kind of noise-
making device is recommended or favored - a bell, an electric
horn, or one of those squeeze horns?  I feel as if I should get
-something-.  Thanks.

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From: skon@cis.ohio-state.edu (james paul skon)
Subject: *** FOR SALE - 1991 LOOK CARBON Pedals ***
Originator: skon@gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:48:25 GMT



*** FOR SALE - 1991 LOOK CARBON Pedals ***

	* Model PP76
	* One month old (11 months left on warrenty)
	* Purple
	* <100 miles use
	* Includes both fixed and ARC cleats
	* All hardware and original box
	* Lists for $155, currently selling for $90-$100

	* $55 plus shipping (First class shipping probably ~$4)

Jim Skon
614-397-0290
skon@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Screaming at the Jerks
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:23:39 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I must say that it makes me think when I read Arnie's message about
the white BMW and how it all ended with civility and perhaps an
educated driver.

Unfortunately I have a hot temper and tend to say nothing until 
the number of incidents becomes too great and then I explode.
I find screaming epithets at a particularly loathsome driver
to help my temper some, but am sure that it doesn't help too
much.

Most people don't like to be screamed at, especially when they can
determine that the cause was their fault. But in too many cases the
anger they feel simply overrides any serious thinking about their 
actions.

I think what the real need is is to have some laws with real teeth
in them regarding the very real threat to bodily damage presented to
bicyclists by automobile drivers.

As I've said elsewhere, drivers will only notice those things that 
they perceive as a real and present threat to themselves. This is
human nature and laws that do not take that into account are bound
to be failures. So traffic laws that are meant to protect bicyclists'
safety in these circumstances have to have the weight of criminal
law behind them and very real and serious penalties of jail terms
and large fines and liability to civil law. Only this will pose
a serious enough threat to automobile drivers to cause them to notice
those of us in less secure positions.
From: psierra@dit.upm.es (Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando)
Subject: pro WC 92??
Organization: Dept. Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos, UPM, Madrid, Spain.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:04:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.103900.27698@watson.ibm.com> ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas) writes:

   the professional wc road race is this year in barcelona, 9:30, sun., 6/9.
   the course is 21.8km loop, i think, 13 times. it climbs almost 400m in 7km,
   then it' mostly downhill with a couple of steep bumps and a real fast decent
   in the last 2km with a slightly uphill finish.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong about the city; it's Benidor (Spain). The Olimpic
Games  is enough for Barcelona :-))

Pedro
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:01:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I guess it's a matter of taste concerning Barry Tompkins.

A friend of mine who bicycles LOTS (18,000mi/yr +) and is
pretty well informed about racing and tapes all of the TV
coverage tells me that he really likes Tompkins coverage.

I listened to him and to tell you the truth, I didn't see
anything one way or the other.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: cycling announcers
From: jbukovich@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:28:47 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Is is just me or are the olympic announcers for cycling woefully
inadequate??

I watched all the TDF on ESPN and finally feel as if I can follow
a cyclng event (my husband -the sports editor at the city paper
thinks it funny that I *watch* cycling on the tube) when I
watch the coverage of the women's road race and feel as if I've
entered the twilight zone of cycling tactics. Do these nations
cyclists not work together to ensure a win for a team member?
Is it just fifty miles of independent cycling (like a time trial
without the courtesy)?

If these are extraordinarily stupid questions, please forgive me.
I've only recently begun biking to commute, and have never
raced (except in high school for track meets), so I don't 
really know what is accepted 'race-calling ettiquete/tactics'
SO-i need some info please.

Thanks all.


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