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From: "Seth M. Dworken" <p00123@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Why San Francisco?
Organization: KC3IL, Fairless Hills PA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:58:01 GMT
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Another reason is that Industrial Light and Magic (ILM), George Lucas'
special effects company that does the effects for the show, is located in 
Marin County.  Marin is the county at the other side of the Golden Gate 
bridge from SFO.

So that means that lots of work for each show is actually done in the area,
and it would be logical to use a familiar locale...

-Seth

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From: kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:14:54 GMT

Hm, still spoilable..?

There were many, many complaints about the "science" behind elements of
"The Next Phase".  However, one that I don't remember being addressed was
the problem of:

  "Why can phased people see unphased people, but not vice versa?"

Many of the other complaints could be "plausibly :-)" worked around, at least
by die-hard treknologists.  What kind of explanation would have to be
necessary, though, to do away with the above problem?

Kenward Chin
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From: graiche@hamilton.edu (George Raiche)
Subject: We've come a long way, baby...
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:19:20 GMT

It was nice to see Levar Burton host "Forbidden Planet" on TNT last
week.  He had some interesting observations on the evolution of video
science fiction.

However, he left out what is, for me, Star Trek's most obvious
contribution to the SF genre and TV in general, for that matter:  the
loosening of the Anglo-Saxon male's monopoly of the future.  Was anyone
else amazed at the non-diversity of the earth ship's crew?  Why was I
amazed?  Because I'm accustomed, from viewing Star Trek, to thinking
that all of Earth's colors and genders will play a part in our future.
Kind of a shock to think that such thoughts were not always universal.

You would think that, of all people, Levar Burton would have picked up
on this...

George Raiche
Hamilton College
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:40:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92258.133907KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
>Spoilers for "The Inner Light" Follow.  People, PLEASE use spoiler



>In short, Picard was NEVER "on the planet."  Instead, the memories of the
>actual designer of the probe were transmitted to Picard, and in his
>"dream" he assumed that personality.  Since we were seeing things from

This is inaccurate.  The dream experienced by Picard was not composed of
memories of the actual probe designer.  The dream memories were fabricated
for the specific purpose of transmitting a record of the Kataanian civilization
into the future.  Kamen is a *fictional* character, although he is certainly
based on the reality of life on Kataan as it was before its sun went nova
(he may have even been based on a actual person, as may the other characters
in Picard's dream).  Witness:

   1. When Picard first "arrived" on Kataan, his wife was wearing a pendant
      shaped exactly like the probe the E. encountered in space.  This shows
      that the dream is not an actual record:  the probe itself would not
      be built for another 35+ years.
   2. Kamen did not design the probe and indeed had no knowledge of it until
      just before it was launched.

Now for a not so serious nitpick:  how are we supposed to accept these
people (the inhabitants of Kataan) as aliens?  They don't have any bumps
on their foreheads!

Tim
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Premiere explicitly scheduled
Keywords: _Time's_Arrow_II_ or maybe _Fruit's_Bananna_ ??          stealth.sig
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:14:15 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <hcqnxx+.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
<That's about enough!  I was providing an EXAMPLE.

Then you should have said so in the first place.  The way you originally
posted it made it sound like it was the ONLY time that you knew about.

We can't read between the lines to know what you were actually thinking.
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (the trek witch)
Subject: Re: times arrow ii info
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:00:27 GMT



How 'bout some real info.  When is the new season supposed to start?
If this has been beaten to death (I don't keep a real close watch on
things here when we're in rerunsd), feel free to email.  Thanks.

--the trek witch


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From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG- The Next Phase
Summary: They goofed.
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:37:52 GMT

In article <8SEP199210281057@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>Hi. Not meaning to start a discussion already done to death,
>but, over the weekend I was watching this episode with my
>6 year old daughter. About half way through she turns to me
>and says, 'but mommy, why don't they just fall through the
>floor?'. After having read all the discussion when the episode
>first aired, I almost fell through the floor laughing. 8-)
>
>                                          Patti Twigg

The author of the episode was at the writers' conference I attended and
said that he *had* an explanation for that, but it got cut.

For the record, there was a surface tension like jello, and you could move
on it, but if you pushed too hard you went through.

So much for their editing...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:38:12 EDT
From: <DCA105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: hot, hotter, HOTTEST!

No way,  Tasha Yar's sister Ishara is the hottest babe to hit the TNG screen in
all 5 years of its existence.  Sorry, but I just had to get that out of my
system.  Now back to our regular incomprehensible ramblings.
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From: u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Anthony Chan)
Subject: The Future??
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:40:03 GMT



What do people out there think about the "future" of ST:TNG.  I mean you would
have to agree that even the most successful series don't run much longer than
say 7 years.  ST:TNG is almost that now and most of the actors have signed up
definitely till the seventh season (am I right), but what about after that?
I mean I read somewhere that Spiner disliked putting on all that white make-up
day after day after day and of course actors of successful shows demand more
per episode...

	Might there only be ST:TNG - the movie(s) after a few more seasons?



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Anthony Chan

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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Subject: Re: Leningrad
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:45:31 EST

rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:

>	At one point in TOS (I think "The Trouble With Tribbles", in
>the teaser), Chekov makes some remark about a little old lady from
>Leningrad.  If not that particular episode, then somewhere else, but
>I am sure he made such a remark.

He did. It was when Scotty was drinking Scotch in the bar (*before*
the fight :) ), and Scotty says something like "When are you going
to get off that milk diet lad??" Chekov says "This is Vodka!!" to
which Scotty replies "Where I come from, thats soda pop! This is
a man's drink!" "Scotch????!" "Aye!" "It was inwented by a little
old lady from Leningrad"

(from memory)

-richard

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From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Subject: Re: I stand corrected, plus ramblings
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:38:34 GMT

[news@ncar.ucar.edu (USENET Maintenance) writes:]

(major amount of rambling deleted)-

Wow!  Freud would have a grand old time with your resposnse to
some criticism, there.

No flames, it's a joke. :)
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Subject: Drunk Trek Request
From: ahirsch@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:08:15 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

A while back a copy of Drunk Trek (ie, very funny ST drinking game)got posted. 
I didn't get it then.  Could someone repost it (or email it to me, if you're   
feeling generous)?  

		      Thanks!	

                             Grasshopper

 
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From: kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Kohn)
Subject: Re: Drunk Trek Request
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:52:59 GMT

ahirsch@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>A while back a copy of Drunk Trek (ie, very funny ST drinking game)got posted. 
>I didn't get it then.  Could someone repost it (or email it to me, if you're   
>feeling generous)?  

	Please repost it, or mail it to me as well.  Thanks.
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Scotty's return:  What rank?
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:49:28 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


Here's Scotty's rank as I understand it:
He was promoted to Captain in ST:III.
When we see him next in ST;IV, he is wearing a Commander's insignia
due to the fault of the costume department.  Many fans complained.
In both Five and Six, his insignia was restored to Captain.

Thus, last we saw him in six, he was a Captain.
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVI
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:41:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <24660@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller) writes:
>In one episode of ST:TNG, I heard Troi referred to as "Sir".  Does any
>one know why "sir" instead of "ma'am"?0
>

Because she's an officer.



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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Yet again, "Dark Elf" moans:
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:39:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

Gee, Gregg, in your flames to *me* you never showed such consideration!!

Actually, folks, we haven't had such a private flame war, only a couple
of messages.  In the first, I took offense, perhaps indistinctly, to
his use of "Yet again, ____ moans:"

In the second, I tried to more articulately explain my umbrage.

With his continuing use of same, which *I* find insulting to everyone quoted,
I concluded he did not have the consideration shown in his recent post.

I stand corrected, and use this forum to apologise.

I have cancelled the original post to this thread.

	Bob
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine on ET
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:36:44 GMT

gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.150330.13540@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep03.063331.6732@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:

>>>- Avery Brooks has that deep commanding voice that should resonate on the 
>>>tube just like Stewart's.

That sounds promising.  (I have to confess that I don't believe I've ever
seen Brooks in anything, so I have no basis for comparison as yet.)

>	Notwithstanding, I'm real surprised that DS9 has been able to land
>such people with TV-series-star power. Brooks and Auberjois are very, very
>good, fairly well known people (in particular, I suspect the latter has no
>real financial need to do series work, given his work on BENSON).

Perhaps.  Unfortunately, due to that same work, Auberjonois is actually the
one name I had a negative reaction to.  I'm sure he's a very good actor, Roger,
but based on the work of his I've seen (Benson, the "missing footage" in ST6,
etc.), I don't particularly care for him.  Can you point me to something else
of his that might showcase his talents a bit better?

>>[for those who do not know who Paul Robeson was,

>	Shame on you!

Seconded!

Tim Lynch
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From: kanamori@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Plots for 2 shows
Originator: kanamori@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:22:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.232521.3083@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>I missed a couple of episodes and need a brief plot description for:
>
>1) Imaginary Friend

A little brat has a family problem, lots of speeches about parenting are
made and the crew saves the ship from destruction by a space menace.


>2) Cost of Living

A little brat has a family problem, lots of speeches about parenting are
made and the crew saves the ship from destruction by a space menace.


(Be grateful you missed them.)

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  "This season began with a turkey. I'm simply trying to see 
   that it doesn't end that way." -- fictitious Paramount writer
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Backstage tour during taping of ST:TNG and photo
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:07:12 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <51187@seismo.CSS.GOV> asmith@seismo.CSS.GOV (Al Smith) writes:
<Shakespeare Santa Cruz is having a Curtain Call Auction
<on September 5 at 7:00pm. Among the items for auction is a
<backstage, behind-the-scenes tour of Star Trek: The Next Generation
<set during the taping of a new episode. Take home a cast photo for a
<souvenir of an experience that's out of this world.
<The day is to be arranged with Paramount Pictures.

I see that the error in this posting still hasn't been fixed.

ST:TNG is not taped, it is filmed.
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Subject: Re: What's Babylon 5 ???
From: Scott Nemmers <NEMMERS@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 17:41:11 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Well, it's certainly nice to know that Memory Alphy BBS has such a complete and
compact method of summing up a series which is the BASIS of the new DSN Star
Drek: The Next Degredation spin-off.  Considering that the latest Cinefan-
tastique and Starlog indicate that the original idea was originally submitted
to Paramount several years ago, rejected, then sudenly surfaced as DSN replete
with plenty of Mean Gene's teeny-bopper corp and the "Jello-Man", it seems to
me that Paramount better warm up it's defense lawyers for a healthy copyright
battle, which it's darn likely they'll lose.
    As to the Babylon 5 series being "shit", well I for one am willing to
WATCH the thing first before judging it.  At least B5 has the distinction
of being welcomed by the science fiction writer's community, unlike TNG,
which after their association with Gene and his mystic re-write stylus, seem
to regard TNG and the "writing" staff associated with this barker as one would
a rabid dog or a plague infested rat.  I CAN judge TNG as I've seen enough of
the "Brain-Drool-Scripts-From-Hell" to know that TNG weekly commits the
cardinal sin of the entertainment world: It's BORING.  As long as Babylon 5
has some decent writing, I'll be glad to overlook flaws in the special effects
or incongrueties in the sets.  Hell, that's what carried TOS into six feature
films in the '80's and '90's, or have we all forgotten that it was REAL SF
writer's that made up most of the first season and a half on TOS?  If the
wax-heads at Memory Alpha BBS want to be pompous putzes, that's their
business, but maybe they should take an honest look at what they're praising
before they start  judging what isn't even out there yet.

-----------------------


Scott Nemmers
Physics Department
University of North Dakota
UD156070@ndsuvm1.Nodak.edu
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: as the Swedish Chef would say...   (Borg! Borg! Borg!)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 00:58:02 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

> 
> 			I don't have a quoting feature on here, so this is
> going to be a collection of random thoughts...
> 			
> 			the Borg are aware of the Klingons, they just haven't
> examined them enough to orchestrate an attack (Locutus: (looking at Worf)
> "Klingon species.. you too will become one with the Borg" Worf: " I like my
> *species* the way it is")
> 			I think the Borg only go after civilizations which are
> at an equal or greater technology level to their own... they're trying to
> "improve the quality of life", remember, and there's no sense in enhancing
> themselves with inferior equipment. Any smaller attacks are "samplings",
> readings of a small population sample to see if the whole place is worth
> assimilating.
> 			I guess humanoid forms must be very likely in the
> universe, either that or those are the bodies of people at those outposts tha
> were destroyed a while back around the middle of season 2 or so. It may also 
> as simple as wanting to make costuming as simple as possible.
> 			Now what *I* wanna see, assuming that they do show
> assimilated Klingons and Romulans, is this little following-through of logic.
> if the K's or R's were assimilated, then their ships' computers must have bee
> read, and analyzed, and their knowledge added... 
> 			So am I the only one who isn't a little scared of the
> prospect of cloaked Borg ships? =) 
> 
> 						-Chris 
> 				                 ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
> 
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> Fiction... submissions BY SNAIL MAIL ONLY are cheerfully and rather 
> gratefully accepted, though letters of inquiry by email are fine.
> For info on the magazine, e-mail to address above... to submit, send with 
> SASE to UpComing, Box 566, Hampshire College, Amherst, Mass., 01002, 
> USA.

The Borg do not need cloaked ships.
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From: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STTNG Season SIX Broadcast Schedule
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:47:59 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <123640025@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>> >Does anyone have plot synopsises (sp?) for these?
>> 
>> Sure.
>> 
>> >> 128.  09/26/92  228                Realm of Fear
>> 
>> Lwuxana is back.  'Nuff said. =:-O
>
>Hmm, I'm afraid this is incomplete.  The full synopsis should be:
>
>Q threatens to show Lwaxanna, Alexander, and Wesley in a mud bath on the
>main viewer and all computer terminals, until Picard lets him send Worf
>and Riker back to 20th century Earth to compete on American Gladiators.

O man, I hate to watch American Gladiators because my old roommate loved it.
But it they did that, I would love to watch....
"And Worf rippes off Tower's arm and uses it to beat him to death...
"Have you ever seen sportsman ship like that?"

Bill
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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Subject: Re: Goodlooks debate on TNG
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:45:51 GMT

Well,
a) for money, this group will do ANYTHING!
b) at most 2 seasons. This from the cast and the production staff
c) covers a strong accent, but not cockney. Marina is half Greek, half Brit
  with an unusual accent (at least for an american with limited knowledge)


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