HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:45:08 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>But, Father Amelia and Mama Jojo, *puts his head down in shame*  
>I have no leather garments ...

sounds like perfect stocking stuffers to me ...
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The Prodigal
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:39:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Did anyone else catch it tonight on TNT?  Lana Turner as
Samara, high priestess of Astarte, is too too divine.
"How can I?" she replies to her rash suitor's marriage
proposal.  "I belong to <pause, stretches arms slowly 
behind her head, leans back, smiles> all men."

Shivers up and down my spine.

Arne
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:41:05 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

soc.motss reminds me of a gigantic cocktail party where one may drift 
from conversation to conversation, dally a bit more with one than 
another, then move on to a slightly giddy but amusing group with 
no other objective than being fey, progress on to a sharply phrased 
political discussion and on to a hilarious pun war.  Sectioning the 
group is so...so.... Teutonic!  Must we be so organized?

I find it little trouble to select topics.  There are certain posters 
I am apt to follow and a few who are usually ignored.  A new topic can
be singly sampled and be included if found interesting.  Changing the 
analogy but keeping the sense of variety: soc.motts is a great 
smorgasbord and one can feast or nibble at will.  I'd hate to see it 
broken into a chain of fast food joints.

But the volume is daunting.  Perhaps the thing to do is decide upon 
fixed leader words for subject/keyword headings.  A subject line could
read "INFO: CO2 Boycott Intensifies" which would be a reproduced 
article from, say, the NYT.  Another line could be "TALK: CO2 Boycott"
wherein dialog on the merits of the action are examined.  With 
adherence to a rather brief list and faithfulness to redefining 
subjects that branch, selectivity could be increased without 
exclusivity.  Those who failed to submit to the discipline of the 
leader word identifier would simply be skipped over and suffer the 
purgatory of being unread and deprived of replies.

It may be argued that the volume is indicative of the success of 
soc.motss.  If so, then we should be chary of changing something that 
is working so well.

Colburn Eigen                                  H|u> = E|u>  

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958)
Subject: Re: Chicago Joins Colorado Boycott
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:17:20 GMT
Organization: Jackie Sheddy at not quite in limbo 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]


	I heard later in the day that the conference IS being moved, New
	York, Los Angeles and  Philadelphia  were among those  listed as
	possible sites.

	Gee... That's too bad!  :-)  :-)  :-)

--
Peace,

Jackie
jackies@hpxxx.fc.hp.com
Hate is NOT a Family Value!!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:12:08 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
:The book which caused exactly the same debate here in the UK a few years ago
:(and which sounds like what Jojo was describing)
:was called something like "Jenny Lives With Eric and Martin".

:Does anyone here remember how that controversy ended?

Clause 28 and 29, if I'm not incorrect.
								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958)
Subject: Re: KGAY SuperRadio
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:14:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Jackie Sheddy at not quite in limbo 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Thomas D. Barrett (tdbear@dvorak.amd.com) wrote:
: Hi folks... haven't heard much hear lately about KGAY.  Have people
: had any luck in getting their local cable operators to carry this
: service as backgroud music to a bulletin board or (better yet) over
: their Cable FM-stereo service?
: 
: 
: Tom
: 
: -- 
: | Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer | tom.barrett@amd.com
: | AMD PCD / Austin, TX  78741        | v:512-462-6856 / f:512-462-5155
: | "No is Yes, and We are All FREE!"  | CO made a #2 no-no... PU!
: | My views may not be shared by the organization of origin

	Just a side  note:  I read in the local  paper this AM that KGAY
	is  being  broadcast  on a  Colorado  Springs  station.  I don't
	remember  the exact call  letters of the station (if someone out
	there  knows  for sure,  please  help me out), but I think it is
	KRX*.  The article said it used to be a hispanic station and the
	owner decided to change formats.

	I thought it was great  that Colo Spgs is among the first in the
	state to have KGAY broadcast over the public airways.

	There is poetic justice in the world!  ;-)

--
Peace,

Jackie
jackies@hpxxx.fc.hp.com
Hate is NOT a Family Value!!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: DLM
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:20:35 CST

In article <BzELs4.IF6@nic.umass.edu>
EDIAS@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (EMILIANO A DIAS) writes:
 
>> >       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>>
>> Yeah, but the whole "Roseanne Is Cool" aura wears off a little when I
>> read in Newsweek, as I did in this week's issue <deleted stuff>
>> that she called some TV reviewer a "faggot" because
>> the reviewer wrote a negative review of Tom Arnold's new show,
>
>Well Roseanne appeared on The Tonight Show to comment about this incident.
 
>guess she did call him a faggot in it.  She said that she never wanted
>the comment to be a public thing, unlike him, but that he made it a public
>thing.  And she appologized sorta, by saying that the insult wasn't
>meant to insult gay people, it was meant only to insult him.
>
The great thing about the Tonight Show appearance is that the musical guest
was kd lang! Roseanne and kd sat next to each other - and Roseanne put
her arm around kd's shoulders. I bought Roseanne's explanation for her
'faggot' comment- her choice of wording wasn't the best, but it was written
in a personal letter to him- not splashed all over the newspapers. Nobody
seemed to be that upset that he called her a bitch in USA Today,
were they? Is public misogyny somehow more appropriate?
 
Diane - who wanted to *be* Roseanne last Friday night....
 
disclaimer: I'm not here; you didn't see me; we aren't like that here...
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:35:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Roger B.A. Klorese advises:
>In article <mattm-081292105439@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew
>Melmon) writes:
>|> I might be better disposed to Castro Street were it not *FUCKING*
>|> *IMPOSSIBLE* to park within eight blocks...  Eight *VERTICAL* blocks.
>
>Park in Daly City and take BART, as nature intended.
>-- 
Better yet, just park in Daly City. Period.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:43:11 GMT

In article <18147@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:

>In article <1glup0INNi50@agate.berkeley.edu>, mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>
>> [soc.bi re-added to Newsgroups; Owen, I suggest you either limit your
>> posts to soc.motss, or cease sending to both groups with followup set to
>> one for no clear reason]
>
>uhm..
>I use vnews, and when multiple newsgroups are listed the software 
>requires me to set a follow up group.

Don't use vnews.  Sheesh, this is dumber than "I want a new newsgroup
because my software doesn't support kill files."

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Xref: sparky soc.motss:52560 soc.bi:16612
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: LAMBDA Legal Defense is looking for instances of discrimination...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:53:27 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
Reply-To: kdermody@attmail.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

[ I'm sending this to many mailing lists.  Please do not reply to the
lists.  In fact, do not reply to this at all!  Call the phone number
mentioned!  By the way, this is posted at a friend's request. ]

	 LAMBDA Legal Defense is looking for instances of
discrimination in the workplace.  Please contact Simone Shevell c/o
LAMBDA at 212-995-8585 to talk about any/all types of discrimination
you or people you know have experienced at work.

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Have yourself a fairy little X-Mas (Re: It's That Time of Year ...)
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:10:35 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <75502@apple.apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>Speaking as someone who came out in the mid seventies, in San Francisco,
>quite a bit of innocence and exuberance had already been lost by then.
>In this light, you might find Larry Kramer's _Faggots_ educational as a
>contemporaneous reflection on that era (in New York City). [Hint:  even
>then, this book created a bit of a stir among the more politically correct
>gays.]

The only thing good about that book was the cover jacket, in which
Larry Kramer sports a magnificant beard.  I wish he'd grow it back--
he looks like my aunt these days.

I still have the dent in the plaster from when I threw the hardcover
against the wall in a fit of rage.  I thought it was a loathsome book.
Of course, that was 14-15 years ago (when did it come out?? 1978?).
Maybe if I read it today, by now having lost my innocence and exuberance
(it's somewhere around here--I've just misplaced it), it might seem old
hat (albeit dated.)  I don't know.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:54:25 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Dec16.165401.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>  
smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.164508.15177@watson.ibm.com>,  
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> > lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
> >>But, Father Amelia and Mama Jojo, *puts his head down in shame*  
> >>I have no leather garments ...
> > 
> > sounds like perfect stocking stuffers to me ...
> 
> Awful big stockings ... 

...or awful *small* garments.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: That dead horse
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:31:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1gavugINNrm8@mizar.usc.edu> 
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <Bz44AE.3xq@ecf.toronto.edu> 
> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
> > JEdgar Hoover was alive and leading public hysteria in the
> > 1910's?

Why, btw, do you find either of these surprising?

> J. Edgar Hoover's dates are 1895-1972.  Now that I think
> about it, the roundups and deportations of Reds that he
> instigated, led, publicized, made his name with, might 
> have happened after 1920, but not by much. 

I was right the first time.  The mass deportations
were in 1919, when J. Edgar was but an eager beaver 
at Justice.

Arne
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult (was Re: When Lesbians Kiss)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:48:25 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com
Keywords: Roseanne, Newsweek, Unconcious marines, straight friends, Too Out

In article <1992Dec16.195318.19119@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>How much do you expect out of your straight friends (SF)?  I have a SF
>that doesn't think that gays should adopt, or that gays should be
>allowed to be married, simply because it's been that way all along,
>and it will take a while to get people used to the idea (i.e. SHE
>would take a while to get used to the idea).  I told her, in a
>nutshell - "fuck that - there is no such thing as TOO SOON when it
>comes to *my* rights - my rights are *NOT* debateable".  Our
>friendship has become strained because of this.  There is some merit
>to the question "what kind of friend is she if she can't take positive
>stances on gay issues"?  To anyone else who has a straight friend with
>whom they talk about these types of things, is your philosophy "either
>you're 100% with me, or you're against me" with regards to Gay Issues?

Well, for me, anyway, the problem isn't "with us or against us", 
but rather the attitude that I've
sensed underlying it, the subtext "being gay/lesbian/bisexual is 
unacceptable," certainly to the point of refusing to allow GLB's to
marry or adopt on the chance that they may "influence" the children to 
become GLB themselves.  My problem with this is twofold.  First, 
studies have shown that this idea to be false; but second, and, to me, 
just as  important, so the hell what! I have a real problem with folks who 
have this attitude. The closer the friend, the more problem I have with
this.

>Is there such a thing as being "too out"?  I'm becoming interested in
>this guy that makes me look like I'm cowering in the farthest darkest
>corner of The Closet
(stuff deleted for brevity)

Well, I'd be scared by death threats, too.  On the other hand, I really
admire people who are cool enough to hold hands with their SOs in a
mall.

>Okay, I guess that's enough mud in the swimming pool for now...
>
>Kevin
>

Peggy

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: King James Version
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:36:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.221309.3920@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <BzFA7y.4xr@ecf.toronto.edu> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
>>Placing my tongue FIRMLY in cheek:

>>
>>Chris, MDiv   [yes, three years out of my life to become divine...]
>
>Certainly I've never seen anyone question your knowledge of (and/or skill in)
>sin & debauchery.  B{)
>
>Brian
>-- 

I'm going  to have to deal firmly with YOU, young man, spreading informed
gossip about my (lack of) moral standing (or practice) all over the net.
Just wait till you get back from Indianapolis!

Chris

-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Subject: The Tales
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:27:13 GMT

I did write the Usenet Soc.motss Tales...  in August 1991.
And posted them then.  Whoever re-posted them recently from
my account, it was not I.  Glad to hear some of you enjoyed
the piece.

Not gone, but on a bit of a vacation,

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: tam@mobydick.base.bellcore.com (Tom Merkel )
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Reply-To: tam@westmark.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.153134.11417@rtsg.mot.com>, 
yorton@turtle11.rtsg.mot.com (James J. Yorton) writes:
|> .......................................I have a problem with
|> having a "transgender" clause included with sexual orientation.
|> The question isn't whether transgender people shouldn't be
|> discriminated against.  It's what does transgender have to do
|> with a person's sexual orientation?  Nothing.  You can be
|> gay or straight and be a transvestite or transsexual.

I have a TS friend going through a very painful divorce right now.
Some of the issues sound very much like lbg parental rights issues - gender
variation and same-sex orientation as child abuse.  Fear and loathing
and the denial of access to children.  I see a common cause here.

|> The MOW is also asking for transgender rights in adopting children.
|> To begin with, this issue is a hot potato for gays alone.
|> Can you imagine the rhetoric that will be generated if a transgender
|> clause, which includes transvestites adopting children, is included too?

I'm not convinced that abandoning our transgender friends will help our
image with the religious right.

|> :5.  We demand the right to reproductive freedom and choice, to control
|> :our own bodies, and an end to sexist discrimination.
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>  
|>  What does this have to do with a MOW for lesbigay civil rights?

Many people see this as merely a pro-choice position.  It goes beyond
that, to include access to artificial insemination for lesbians
( routinely denied today ), improvements in the care and treatment
of women with AIDS ( until recently gynecological problems caused
by HIV infection weren't even recognized )  and a change in the
attitudes of courts which insist on imposing a biological father
onto a lesbian family.  To name a few possibilities.

--Tom Merkel  tam@westmark.com
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: weird trees
Keywords: aluminum, tacky, unfathomable
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:49:15 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Speaking of tacky Christmas decorations, there is one
persistent image in my mind that I can't seem to get rid
of.  Some will no doubt remember, some will have tried
to forget, and perhaps some will never have known it.

Yes: the aluminum Christmas tree.

Is there any greater mystery that haunts this season
than: why the aluminum Christmas tree?

For those who may not remember [or thought to have
escaped], the aluminum tree was an infernal device,
usually six feet tall, consisting of a central pole
from which radiated, at upward angles, stiff wires
outfitted with little strips of aluminum arrayed rather
in the manner of a feather duster.  These limbs were
arranged in a "natural" manner so that the entire device,
shaped like a cone, might resemble a fir tree.

As additional decoration, these devices were often
decorated in one color of ornamental globes, typically
blue, and generally of spun fiberglass.  Delightful.

Ah, but the best part of all...  Since it was extremely
dangerous to outfit the devices with the traditional
strings of electrical lights [the entire device being
electrically conducting so that one little short might
cause the entire unit to weld itself], a novel idea
was found for its illuminational magic.

The color wheel!  A large disk with its four quadrants
made of colored gels: blue, red, green, and orange.
The disk was placed in front of a flood lamp and made
to rotate slowly, and aimed at the aluminum unit. 
As the wheel turned, the light reflected from the lustrous,
ersatz leaves gradually changed color.  The total effect
was, well, beyond words.

Will we ever know whence came this ghastly invention?
Why an *aluminum* tree?  Was this the state of the
art in artifical flora?  Was it some sort of response
to the Sputnik challenge?  A conspiracy perpetrated
by Alcoa?  A symbol of the dawn of the modern age?

I'd also like to know whether blue-flocked spruce trees
were some sort of challenge to the ascendancy of the
aluminum tree, or whether they were merely a fad that
passed away with bell-bottoms, love beads, and really-big-
polka-dot mini dresses.

Whither the aluminum Christmas tree?  Are they now
only collectors' items?  [Would anyone dare?]

Things like this trouble me when I can't sleep.  And
it all came about from Isaac's telling a story of a
competition once to find the tackiest Christmas decoration
possible.  The winner, unanimously conceded, was a little
manger scene set in a forest of little aluminum trees.

Complete with color wheel.

--jns
From: brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New DPN
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:10:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

*X* writes:

>  I, myself, while certainly not opposed to such practices,
> prefer brunettes, with thin butts and little tufts of hair between
> the navel and groin                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All the better to swipe off with one flick of a Gillette II, no doubt?
Followed by a liberal application of surfer-boy wax...

bz
-- 
   Bradley C. Zaller  ::  Apple Computer, Inc.  ::  brad@apple.com

  "As she lay there dozing next beside me, a voice inside my head kept
   saying 'Relax. . . you're not the first doctor who's ever slept with
   one of his patients,' but another kept reminding me, 'Howard, you're
   a veterinarian.'"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Genetic Homosexuality?exit
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:12:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.181814.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> fwhite@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.221933.29489@penet.fi>, an2335@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>   We know that homosexual people have less children than heteros.
>> Then, if homosexuality is genetic, we should expect the proportion of
>> homosexual people decrease generation by generation. This hasn't been
>> observed. Can we then deduce that homosexuality isn't necessarily
>> genetic?
>> 
>I'm not a believer in the genetic basis of homosexuality. But couldn't a
>believer argue that homosexuality was a resessive gene that even
>hets have and thus will continue to be passed along?
>-- 
>

For the latest information on the research into this topic see the Jan 93
issue of DISCOVER magazine pg 55, article titled "GAY GENES".



Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
__


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Deb's New Thang (was Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:54:18 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Dec12.001517.7136@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>I am glad you approve, but would really like to know if you feel all
>good-looking men should be gay.  I know you would like that, but who would
>I date?  I also would like to add that there have been many good-looking
>gay men that I have seen at clubs.  Neither of us should have  a monopoly
>on attractive males.  


One of my best friends (a straight female) and one of her friends (also
orientationally-challenged, oops, I mean heterosexual :-) have decided
there are only four "good" (attractive, caring, etc.) men in the world,
but only one of them is up for grabs:

   One is married.
   The second the third men are a couple.

Oh, yeah.  :-) :-) :-)

--
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