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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Sabres-Nords game 2
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:15:26 GMT


Game two looks to have been as exciting as game one the night before:

Quebec                           2 2 0--4
Buffalo                          0 2 1--3

1st Period Penalties--Raglan, Que, 1:58; Velischek, Que, 2:09; Sundin,
Que, 11:09; Hannan, Buf, 16:26; Finn, Que, 19:11; Cloutier, Que,
(served by Tonelli), 19:11.

2nd Period Penalties--Hawerchuk, Buf, 0:22; Buffalo bench (served by
Andreychuk), 4:12; Hough, Que, 5:03; Nolan, Que, 5:03; Moller, Buf,
5:03; Nolan, Que, major (fighting), 8:14; Moller, Buf, major
(fighting), 8:14; Ruuttu, Buf, 11:16; Hough, Que, 16:48; Lapointe,
Que, 18:34; Tanti, Buf, 18:34.

3rd Period Penalties--Sundin, Que, 5:07; Tanti, Buf, 7:24; Leschyshyn,
Que, 7:24; Wood, Buf, 7:24; Sundin, Que, major (fighting), 7:56;
Karpa, Que, minor-misconduct7:56; Cloutier, Que, (leaving the
crease-served by Tonelli), 7:56; Hannan, Buf, major (fighting), 7:56;
May, Buf, double-minor- misconduct, 7:56; Ray, Buf,
misconductgame-misconduct, 11:08; Moller, Buf, major-misconduct
(fighting), 11:08; Nolan, Que, major-misconduct (fighting), 11:08;
Twist, Que,misconduct-game misconduct, 11:08; Corkum, Buf, minor-major
(fighting), 14:18; Marcinyshyn, Que, minor-major (fighting), 14:18;
Hannan, Buf, misconduct, 14:18; Cavallini, Que, 14:52; Wood, Buf,
14:52; Rucinsky, Que, 16:08.

George
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From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WHL update: Wed., April 8
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:04:47 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington


Seattle defeated Spokane 4-1 on the superlative goaltending of Chris
Osgood to take a 2-1 series lead Tuesday night.  Turner Stevenson and
Blake Knox (both on Seattle's starting front line) were given game 
misconducts early in the 2nd.  

Seattle's goals were notched by Kimbi Daniels, Mike Kennedy, Jeff
Sebastian and Kurt Seher.  Spokane's was scored by Duthie on a hideous
defensive lapse.


In the Eastern Division Saskatoon put away the Swift Current Bronco
last night by a score of 3-1 to win that series 3-1 and earn the right
to face the Prince Albert Raiders.
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From: leyfre@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frederic Leymarie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Leafs and Flames are out
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:48:02 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: leyfre@lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU


The season is really over (surprised?). The Leafs and Flames are out.
-- 
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:58:23 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <allan.702803291@kitscoty> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>
>Before worring about fighting, more should be done to
>remove high sticking which causes much more severe injuries.
>
Yes, I agree, and that's something for the refs to take care about.
But with clowns like Stewart you can stop dreaming right now.

>In Europe, and in many of the North American amature leagues, where
>fighting is not allowed, things like stickwork are much more prevalent.
>
Aahh, the expert on European hockey again. Could you please specify in
which European league you have seen this prevalent stickwork?
I get to watch 2 NHL games a week on cable here (before this strike started)
and it is my opinion that the stickwork is more common in NHL.
Especially ugly cross checks on the neck and the back is a lot more common
in NHL as well as the usual wood chopping.

>(It seams like the only cases of kicking i've heard about
>involve Europeans.) Is this a fluke? Maybe, but I doubt it.
>
Kicking??? Do you mean that the players intentionally try to cut the 
opponents throats off by using their skates, or what? Hmm, that's a new one
to me. Well, since you have seen it and I haven't it must have started
over there.

No Allan, let's face it, you have been watching too much of that Don
Cherry stuff :-) :-)

>
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Caps News
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:51:35 GMT


Rod Langway was quoted in the paper as saying the strike will hurt him this 
summer.  He says he counts on the playoff money to make it between paychecks 
in the summer.  He owns a restaurant and perhaps it drains him some 
financially, but if Langway hurts, you have to wonder about some of the 
other players around the league.

Don Beaupre says he's frustrated by the strike.  After going through a few 
play stoppages himself since he joined the Caps, Beaupre finally got what he 
wanted this fall.  Now he says he has no way to earn it.

Tim Bergland (a forward used every so often and sent to Baltimore a week or 
so before the strike) says he and some other players are considering 
Europe.  Bergland makes far less than some of the other Caps -- so if 
Langway feels it, Bergland must.

Terry Murray and Assistant Coach John Perpich spent a day earlier this week 
arranging the schedule to make-up the three remaining regular season 
games beginning this Sunday in New Jersey only to see their work wasted.

David Poile says the current situation is beyond logic.  Caps marketing 
director Lew Strudler says he is devastated. Abe Pollin, one of the NBAers 
who originally proposed the salary cap idea to the NBA players was said to 
be working with Stars owner Norman Green to end the strike.

The team will announce tickets refund plans once the league suspends the 
season. 

Warren
From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: I'm lost.
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:48:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mornings.POPOVICH.92Apr9164843
Organization: Columbia University

> A last thought:  The NHL seems to want to commit mass suicide.  Who are
> the real idiots?  The NHLPA?  The owners?  Both?  Fans like me who are
> trying to make sense of it all?

Actually, it's only one more sign of a vast conspiracy.  Both sides in
this dispute have been taken over by THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY :-).  So of
course they can only figure out how to shoot themselves in the foot!
As for who is an idiot, well, we've all known for years about John
Ziegler.  Unfortunately, it looks we can do nothing about that.
From: lulu@wam.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Subject: Caps tix for sale
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:39:14 GMT

2 tickets for Caps game vs. Pittsburgh on Sunday @ 7:05PM.

$34 each -- highest price range @ face value

Beats $150 for MSG seats, but you have to sit next to me.

Dave Lu
(301) 858-2270

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: moyj@vccsouth10.its.rpi.edu (Jayson Moy)
Subject: Re: hockey pool
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:22:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.164117.1297@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129qpcx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BRIAN) writes:
>Hi! I am looking to write to andrew in reference to his playoff hockey pool. I 
>am not a member of your regular season pool, and just happened to come across 
>your message about the playoffs. I would to get involved, assuming that there 
>will be playoffs! Let me know if this is still possible, and exactly where to 
>send my entries to. Thanks!
>                                        Brian Carl
>
>				email me at: v129qpcx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu



Is this pool still going on? Just wondering since there doesn't seem
to be playoffs.

Jayson Moy
moyj@rpi.edu
RPI '89
Let's go Rangers!
From: kd2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karen E. Dorow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:11:14 GMT
	<1992Apr9.223932.22819@udel.edu>
Organization: Enviromental & Health Safety, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've seen the Hershey Bears defeat the Philadelphia Flyers (I believe in
1990).  I am not sure what Flyer stars where not present, but it was
every bit exciting as any NHL game (other than the PEN playoff games
last year).  I think if you follow a AHL team as closely as you do a NHL
team you would get just as excited.  In Hershey the fans always seemed
to get more into the game then they do at PEN games.  Sometimes the
crowd can be very dead at an NHL game (at least in PGH).

There definitely is a difference in skill, especially with the accuracy
of shots, but I don't think that takes away from the excitement of the
game.  Where  AHL teams lose out is when the NHL team keeps bringing
players (the top players in the AHL) up and down.  I think it makes it
difficult for a team to be consistent.

Just my opinion, but if I can't watch a NHL game, I would be just as
happy to watch an AHL game.

Karen
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:38:29 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <817@hsdndev.UUCP>, nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
> It's typical NHL, a league where the fans go after the players and
> the players audition for WWF. In the last few games,the Sabres are
> beginning to look like the whole team is auditioning for WWF. The Sabre
> in question was even saying that the guy could've had a gun. Well,did
> they see a gun???? Morons. I hope the Bruins beat the shit out of this
> dumbass	stupid team because the Sabres definetely need alot of good
> beating. I want to see alot of violence in this series. I want to see
> blood. I want Rick Bowness climb over the separating glass behind the
> bench and whack Buffalo fans with a stick. You need a good bloodbath

All right!!! I like it! This group is finally coming around and seeing
things with a true eye for the game. None of this "oh I hate goon
hockey - it wasn't meant to be played like that - ooooh what if
Mario gets hurt from a fight? - oh no - so many fans have stopped
watching because of fighting.>>" what a pile of crap. I agree - we need
a good tough bloody series - just the way hockey was played for
decades before this relatively recent upsurge in wimp-behavior.

> series to get a point across to NHL boneheads.I'm sick of goon hockey.

 oh ... oops.... never mind.....
> 

> Do you think this goon from the Sabres will be suspended for any number
> of games? The day when buffalos put on skates and play hockey...

 suspended for what? hitting a fan who went after the players? I think
not my little friend - I'd give him a raise.... and I'd give the fan
an award too for putting the fire back into the game that so many folks 
are determined to remove....


			gln
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: F A N Z (was Re: I'm lost.)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:46:36 GMT

In article <djung.702752385@sfu.ca>, djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung) writes:
> A last thought:  The NHL seems to want to commit mass suicide.  Who are
> the real idiots?  The NHLPA?  The owners?  Both?  Fans like me who are
> trying to make sense of it all?

This acronym appeared on the tube last night:	F ans
						A gainst
						N HLPA and
						Z iegler.

Glenn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dstein@luna.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 11:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.144349.28616@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911030@ariel.yorku.ca (STAVROS TSOKOS) writes:
>their ownership.  Everybody out there reading this, tell me this: You
>own a restaurant, say for lack of a better idea McDonalds.  Ok, now you
>have an employee - who performs his services well and becomes EMPLOYEE
>of the month, and you get a nice framed photo plastered on the wall
>where all the customers can see it.  This employee demands they get
>full rights to the potential customers this photo brings the business.

   Steve, I think the point is that the owners have no right to put up
pictures of their employees without their agreement.  Unless, of course,
anyone can use anyones' pictures for advertisement purposes.

>What, all of a sudden, this employee becomes an owner?!  I thought this
>guy was getting paid a salary - and if he didn't like it he should go
>work elsewhere.
>JUST A TASTEFUL ANALOGY.
>
>                                    Steve


   And the owners ARE free to get a replacement.

   In other words, there's no way I would allow the use/misuse of my image 
for advertisement purposes.

   But then, I would never work in McDonalds....
From: nk0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brennan Kraje)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NEED CAPS/PENS TIX
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:51:15 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I am looking for a ticket or two to one on the first two PENS/CAPS
playoff games here in Pittsburgh.  Anybody wishing to sell some at a
reasonable price, please e-mail me @ nk0s or call 361-0730 (if not home,
please leave message on answering machine).

    Thanks to anyone who can provide any help...

                                                    - Brennan Kraje
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gautam@caen.engin.umich.edu (Gautam Singh Grover )
Subject: WIngs
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 13:28:50 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Last night the Wings won their first game in nearly two years 
at the Met Centre in Blomington, Minn by blowing out the 
North Stars 7-4. Yzerman assured his fifth consecutive 100-pt
season by getting a hat-trick. The rout started on the (Stars!)
first power play as the wings scored two short handed goals
on breakaways by Fedorov and Yzerman within 30 sec of each other.
The game was pretty much over right there, even tho' the 
Stars got within one in the third period. Fedorov got two 
goals, Gallant one and Probert the other. Probert's goal means
that the WIngs have 7 20goal scorers this season, with Burr(I think)
on 19. 
The WIngs 18 short handed goals for the season means that they
lead the league in this category, while the Stars tied the regular
season record for most sh goals against (22).

Anybody know what the most s.h. goals in 
(a) a game and
(b) on the same power play
are?
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:07:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr14.125437.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>I'm compiling a list of the two most popular athletes in each NHL city or
This is from the American perspective. Also, this one per team per city
limit is not reasonable. Say, nobody on the Sabres is as popular as the
any five Buffalo Bills stars.


>		Most popular		Second most popular
>Boston		Roger Clemens		Larry Bird
                Larry Bird              Roger Clemens

>Buffalo	Jim Kelly		Pat LaFontaine
                Jim Kelly               Thurman Thomas

>Chicago	Michael Jordan		Ryne Sandberg
                Michael Jordan          Ryne Sandberg/Scottie Pippen/Carlton Fisk

>Detroit	Isiah Thomas		Steve Yzerman
                Isiah Thomas            Barry Sanders/Cecil Fielder

>Los Angeles	Wayne Gretzky		Ramon Martinez
                Darryl Strawsberry/Orel Hersheiser/Vlade Divac/James Worthy
They still love their Lakers

>Minnesota	Kirby Puckett		Mike Modano
                Kirby Puckett           Herschel Walker

>New Jersey	Lawrence Taylor		Derrick Coleman
                Lawrence Taylor         Phil Simms
Nobody cares about the Nets here.

>New York City	Dwight Gooden		Don Mattingly
                Pat Ewing               Dwight Gooden

>Philadelphia	Randall Cunningham	Len Dykstra
                Charles Barkley         Randall Cunningham

>Pittsburgh	Mario Lemieux		Andy Van Slyke
                Mario Lemieux           Barry Bonds

>St. Louis	Ozzie Smith		Brett Hull
OK

>San Jose	Joe Montana		Pat Falloon
SF bay area     Joe Montana             Chris Mullen/Will Clark/Jerry Rice

>Washington	Art Monk		Cal Ripken, Jr.
                Mark Rypien             Art Monk

Cal has nothing to do with Washington.

So you see, when there are stars in other sports, hockey players will
never be able to share the limelight. Los Angeles is Dodger/Laker country.
No way Gretzky is any more popular than the Dodger stars. The Hispanic
sector in LA follows baseball, but can't care less about ice hockey.

Afterall, how many people in L.A. have seen Gretzky on over-the-air TV?
NONE!

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Job of NHL President (WAS: Re: Strike views from Pgh.)
Keywords: Personal ramblings
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:43:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.235103.21928
Reply-To: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Apr3.235652.29564@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com 
(Sherri Nichols) writes...
>In article <1992Apr3.215519.16208@philabs.philips.com> 
>jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>>
>>I disagree.  The job of commissioner is to act as a mediator between
>>the players and the owners.  By rights, he should be an independent
>>party.  
> 
>That's nice, but it doesn't match with reality.  That's my whole point
>about the myth of the impartial commissioner.  The commissioner of every
>major professional sport is hired and paid by the owners.  That's true for
>Fay Vincent (commissioner of baseball), Paul Tagliabue (commissioner of the
>NFL), and David Stern (commissioner of the NBA).  That's always been the
>case, from the time of Kennesaw Mountain Landis (first commissioner of
>baseball) to the present.

    In the case of the NHL, I think it is even worse than this. I believe
that Ziegler's job description makes him part of management. The point here
is that he is not even supposed to be impartial. While I think Ziegler has
done a miserable job, I don't think we can fault him for being impartial 
here. He's not supposed to be. 

>>>Zeigler has been a bad commissioner, but the real power in the league does
>>>not belong to Zeigler, it belongs to Wirtz and friends.  The office of
>>>commissioner itself is not typically invested with much power; some
>>>commissioners have managed to seize it, like Stern and Rozelle.
>>
>>The problem here is that Ziegler is NOT a commissioner-- he is a
>>president.  As a president, he presides over the league.  The
>>difference is that he is hired by the owners, and isn't an impartial
>>third party, as a commissioner should be.  Perhaps the NHL needs a
>>commissioner?
> 
>The myth strikes again.

     The only way an impartial party will be brought into this is if 
both sides agree to have the strike mediated by an arbitrator, and I 
think we're a long way from seeing this happen.

Bob
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Playoff Traditions
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:55:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.195953.26510@sol.UVic.CA> bgray@ugly.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 29874@mprgate.mpr.ca, harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison) writes:
>>
>>- For those who get the chance, watch the highlights of the
>>  Vancouver-Winnipeg game on Saturday night. You'll see 16,000 white towels
>>  being waved, a tradition dating back 10 years thanxs to Roger Neil.
>
>  Here in Vancouver, we've got the fun tradition of waving our white towels in
>the few years that we've made the playoffs since 1982.  What are the other
>interesting traditions in other NHL cities, ie. Vancouver's white towels, 
>Calgary's sea of red, etc  (hockey only - I don't need to hear about the 
>Steeler's Terrible towels)
>
Bah!  I spit on towels!  Tune into games 3 and 4 of the aforementioned
series, and watch for the Charge of the WHITE Brigade.  Yes, Jets fans
get all dressed in white for playoff games.  We don't need no towels,
we can afford REAL clothes!  :)  (The playoffs are on, and it's kill
Vancouver time! :)

16 wins to the Cup!
>

===============================================================    
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