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From: tom@HAN.Paramax.COM (Tom Jewell)
Subject: Answer and Questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:44:48 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Firstly, Maryland does prohibit hunting on Sundays.
Persumeably, this is to keep the outdoors "safe"
for hikers (et al) one day of the weekend.

Now for a question. I only started hunting last
deer season and everything I know I read from a
book or this newsgroup. I hunt in the forested
Appalachian mountains in western Maryland.

How do I figure out where the deer are bedding, eating, etc. ?
Where should I look?

I have found lots of (what I think are) scrapes, but I have
no idea how old they are. I almost never find droppings.
I hunt on several thousand acres of contiguous forest and
I'm sure there must be a good deer population. The terrain
is steep and fairly homogeneous 2nd generation forest.

Thanks in advance for any advice,

Tom Jewell
tom@han.paramax.com



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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:43:45 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075541.9812@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
= 
= >I will NOT use boobytraps, bury nails on boards in the trails/road,
= >or do anything else that would injure anyone.
=  
= Good. This could open you up to a lawsuit most likely. (I am not a 
= lawywer, but this is the trend nowadays for juries to award "criminal
= victim's", who were injured while committing a crime, large sums of
= money due to owner negligence.)

To say nothing of criminal prosecution.  I believe that booby traps
are illegal in some, probably most, perhaps all, jurisdictions.

-- 
Best,

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	  crs@lanl.gov


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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:44:17 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075602.9881@doug.cae.wisc.edu> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.083835.27302@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
>
>= |> Is it true that no
>= |> hunting is allowed on Sunday (seems like a weird thing, but that's
>= |> what I've heard).
>= 
>= I doubt the Sunday bit. Check the regs.
>
>I believe that there are still states that prohibit Sunday hunting
>but I don't know if Maryland is one of them.  While it seems wierd
>on the surface, if you understand the background, it becomes less
>unbelievable, if not less wierd.
>
>Such restrictions are a carry-over from the old "Blue Laws."  How
>many of you remember that, with certain exceptions, at one time
>in some jurisdictions, stores, were required to close on Sundays?
>
>

I remember the "blue laws". Does this mean I am as old as you Charlie?
;-)  Actually, it has only been about 10-15 years ago since SC did
away with them. I can't remember the exact year. Still, the only
hunting permitted on Sunday is for small game and this is only on
private land. Hunting for big game (deer, bear, and turkey) on Sunday
is still unlawful in SC which is ok with me. I think it good to give
the animals a break during the season. 

>-- 
>Best,
>
>Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
>	  crs@lanl.gov
>
>


Keith

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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:46:55 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep29.064539.8091@doug.cae.wisc.edu> barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:
>I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
>if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
>for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
>knife good enough?


I would say that the Buck Hunter is plenty good enough. It should last
a lifetime (well, almost) providing you don't lose it or abuse it too
much. I personally have a BuckLite which does quite well for skinning
and is very lightweight. (Actually it's my second one since I lost the
first one I bought :( ) It holds the edge pretty good too. I also have
a Schrade (sp?) fixed blade with the gut hook on the backside. This is
pretty handy but the guthook is a little hard to sharpen. You can get
either one of these knives for about $20. Of course, you can always
spend more and get a prettier knife, but it won't cut any better.  I
tend to lose knives in the woods anyway so I don't buy the costlier
knives. Good luck on your first deer hunt.

Keith (just 13 days till deer season)




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From: vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:48:28 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Chris Barnes writes:

>I usually use 2 knives; a nice big, heavy knife used to break
>through the ribs/pelvic bone, and a small filet knife for actual
>cutting of the skin/muscle/membranes.  I'm not saying that what
>I do is the "best", just that it works for me.

Let me advise folks to do as Chris does and carry two knives.  I once
had the good fortune of having two 4-pointers down at the same time.
I dressed out the first one with my Schrade Sharpfinger and was just
up to breaking the pelvic bone when the damn blade snapped off (best
knife I've ever used, and it was *my* fault, not the knife's) while I
was doing it.  I had to finish dressing the first deer and then dress
out the second one with my newly created Dullfinger, and it was not
even close to fun.  Didn't even have my pocket knife -- why carry that
little thing if I had the other one.  The hardest part was making the
initial cut on the second deer, but none of it was enjoyable.  Now I
carry two knives.  A new Sharpfinger and a Schrade with a gut hook (as
Keith mentioned).  Handy gadget...


John

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From: scott@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Larry Scott)
Subject: Re: Bowhunt Success
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:43:27 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Bowhunting

In article <1992Sep25.093903.26978@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) writes:
>
>     Success at last.  Last evening I bagged a nice 6-point (my first bow-
>kill)!!!  Here's the story. 
>     The buck was a average-racked 6-point of about 150 lbs. In my book 
>that's a trophy.  The arrow went in through the left lung, clipped the 
>back of the heart, went through the right lung, and broke a rib before 
>leaving the deer (yes Dan Fitgerald, PASSTHROUGHS ARE SWEET).     
>
>     Hope no one thinks this is bragging.  I'm just happy as hell to have 
>the privledge to harvest a nice buck and share the story with my fellow 
>hunters.
>     
	Bragging? Not a bit!! Just a person enjoying the fruits of his labor.
Congratulations! I'm envious! This was only my first year bowhunting, and we
didn't see a thing in 3 1/2 days! Again, congrats!

	Larry Scott


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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: A Brief Bird-dog Brag
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:45:47 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Sorsby'd Kiss Me Kate qualified twice more in the AKC Hunting Tests
for Pointing Dogs at the Central New Mexico Brittany Club Tests on
26 & 27 September.  Kate is four for four now and needs one more
qualification for her Senior Hunter title.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov


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From: tomfal@tr6.wes.army.mil (Thomas Faller)
Subject: Re: Killers and scopes
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:42:32 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I saw about 5 minutes of footage on "A Current Affair" about the Ohio
serial killer; the level of journalism on that show is so low I've
started trusting the commercials, but I got on in the middle of it,
and between tearful shots of a victim's mom, there was an anonymous
figure pointing an M-14 around.  The camera lovingly closed on every
detail of the evil assault rifle in the hands of some faceless
psychopath, but does anyone know if there's even any suspicion of what
kind of gun the killer really used yet? It looked like just another
"evil gun" episode.


About mounting scopes: I mostly have had good luck mounting my own
scopes, but there are some things to watch out for. It is easy to mar
the finish of the scope during installation, and I'd be very careful
around the optical surfaces. I would not buy one of the cheap sighting
jigs; I think Tasco sells one, and mine would not mount steadily
enough to be of any use. Go for the better grade of rings; the cheaper
ones don't fit as well, and will torque the scope more as you tighten
the screws, causing your cross-hairs to sit at an angle, a problem
that can take all day to fix.

I use Lock-Tite on my screw threads to keep them fixed in place. It
works, and is easy to undo for remounting or replacement. Ruger rings
are the easiest I have used; they mate to Ruger firearms (but not
others), and really lock down. I've had my worst luck with tip-off
type mounts. I could never get them steady.

After mounting, I take the rifle to the range and put the first target
at 25 yards, to make sure the bullet gets to the paper. My last scope
started nine inches to the left at that range. I get it centered and
shooting about two inches high, then move out to fifty yards for fine
adjustments, and 100 yards to adjust the trajectory. I don't have much
space to shoot beyond 100 yards on my range or I'd try for two or
three hundred too.

Tom Faller
From: smmyers@pbhyg.pacbell.com (Sean M. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:44:14 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep29.064539.8091@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:
 
>I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
>if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
>for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
>knife good enough?
 
     I just use my Buck.  Model 19 or is it 15, I'm getting it
confused with my .38.  I find that it works really well, it's
big/heavy enough to get through bones and catilage and I've never had
a problem with separating the skin or meat.  BTW it's the 6 inch
model.

Sean
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From: rkestler@wnas.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Rich Kestler)
Subject: A noisy draw
Organization: NCR Corporation - Worldwide Network Appl. Services - Dayton, OH
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:16 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I'm looking for some trick as to how to make my arrow rest more
quiet when I draw.  I have a Centerrest Flipper on a compound bow
which I think makes too much noise.  The rest has a felt padded 
plunger and a plastic coated wire flipper.  The noise when I draw
comes from the arrow rubbing against the flipper.  Is there something
I can do to make this more quiet?  Possibly put something on the 
shafts of my aluminum arrows to make them slide easier?
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Hunting Knife Reponse
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:38:46 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


>I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
>if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
>for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
>knife good enough?

>Thanks
>
>Barry

I must have a dozen different knives and saws designed for 
hunting, including some quite expensive specialty jobs.  When 
it comes right down to it I almost always use my 4" blade,
lock-back Shrade "Uncle Henry".  I have used it on everything
>from Antelope to Elk with great results.  It will handle all 
field dressing, skinning, and breakdown operations.  There are
only a couple of operations when I prefer alternatives.  The
initial slit is done easier with a Wyoming knife.  This can do 
the slit with little chance of either punchering the gut or 
cutting yourself.  The rib cage cut is another operation where 
a saw is a better bet.  The lock back knife will work, but 
requires a good bit of human power as well as a sharp knife.
I used to use a larger non-folding knife until I was totally 
humbled one day by a friend who proved he could field dress 
antelope better than twice as fast as me with a 4" lock-back.
     
Whatever you do, keep your knife sharp and avoid using it as 
a hammer or prybar.  Keep it clean and dry and it will serve
you well.    
 
Of course if you are going to join our Texas friends in running
down wild boar on foot and sticking them with a knife before 
they can stick you, you would be better advised to follow the 
advice of Crocodile Dundee.:-)

Bryan

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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:36 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Welcome to rec.hunting.  You certainly have asked some valid
questions.  

I'd like to start by saying that I am saddened that you need to ask
these questions.  The risk to "nondeer" is much smaller than some
folks make it out to be but the risk is not zero.  There is some risk
due to idiots who call themselves hunters.  The fact that people are
scared of being mistaken for a deer indicates that we need to clean up
our sport and our image.  I support much stronger hunting safety
requirements and markmanship skills.  But I digress...

The first thing I suggest is that you pick up a set of hunting
regulations from you local sporting goods store.  The booklet should
tell you all you want to know about seasons and hunting times. 

It is quite likely that there is no hunting allowed on Sunday.  It
does seem wierd but many states have this rule.  So riding on Sunday
should be a good bet.

I personally would only concerned during gun season for deer.  Bird
hunters using shotguns shouldn't mistake you for a bird.  And
bowhunters should require that you get close enough to be recognized
as a "nondeer".  But during gun season, some real characters come out
of the woodwork so I recommend staying home.  In Winsconsin and most
states that I know of, gun deer season is only about a week long so
this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I am a bit undecided about the bell but recommend it anyway, at least
for riding at dusk.  In the light of day, I don't see much chance of
problems.  The deer will certainly know you are riding by so the bell
shouldn't make any difference to them.  But the addition of the bell
should prevent any mishaps.  

Happy riding,
tim
From: mtucker@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Michael R. Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Antelope Hunters Out There?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:53:31 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Microcomputer Services
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Hey!  Aren't there any antelope hunters out there with a story to share?
Antelope season here in Colorado has ended. I drew a private land doe tag
this year.  We went up to the ranch last friday evening and set up camp.
Saturday morning we were up before first light and watched the sun rise....
There's nothing in this world like camp coffee on a cool morning!

Anyway, after dawn broke, we could see......way off in the distance.....
a herd of 15 or so antelope.  After a looooong time of crawling around
on the prairie, I was within 250 yds. of the still feeding herd.
Knees and elbows full of cactus spines, yuk!

I picked a doe kindof off by herself (so if I missed, I wouldn't
hit and wound another) centered the crosshairs on her and squeezed off
the shot.  I used a Rem. 700 BDL 30-'06, and Federal's Premium Ammo,
150 grain boattail, Redfield widefield 4x scope.

She, and the rest of the herd ran over the top off a rise. I waited, then
about 5 minutes later they came back.  I still waited, eventually, (15 long
minutes) they trotted off. I think the wind shifted and they smelled me.

I got up and walked to where the doe had been standing when I shot.
No blood.  I then walked over the rise, and there she was.  She had gone
over the hill and laid down and died. It was about 75 yds from where I
shot her.  She was hit in the lungs, and she probably expired a minute
or so after the shot.  A very clean hit.

I dressed her immediately, and we now have some fine meat and a beautiful
hide to tan.  Any other stories out there? Past or present?

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From: halk@bnr.ca ("Hal (H.V.) Kauffeldt")
Subject: HELP WANTED: .303 -> .308 Conversion 
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:46:13 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Recently, I purchased a used Lee Enfield rifle that had been converted
>from the original .303 to a .308 calbire, by means of a replacement
barrel.  The rifle still uses the original .303 clip.

Problem:

More often than not, shells fail to feed properly from the clip.
Either:

a) the bolt face completely misses contacting the bottom of the shell 
   casing, thus failing to feed a shell at all,
or,
b) the shell mis-feeds, entering the chamber at a sharp angle, which
   causes it to jam the bullet tip against the chamber's side

Before I venture to a gun-smith and pay $$$ to have the thing looked
at, has anyone had experience with this sort of problem and/or
conversion, and found a workable solution?

I've already tried very minor adjustments to the clip's clearance and
guide arms on the top, but with minimal improvement. 

Any information/suggestions on how to overcome the problems would be
appreciated!

Please reply to 'halk@bnr.ca'.

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From: vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:49:00 GMT
Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Tim Rigg writes:

>Welcome to rec.hunting.  You certainly have asked some valid
>questions.  

I'll offer a hearty second to Tim's welcome for Rosalie.


>I personally would only concerned during gun season for deer.  Bird
>hunters using shotguns shouldn't mistake you for a bird.  And
>bowhunters should require that you get close enough to be recognized
>as a "nondeer".  But during gun season, some real characters come out
>of the woodwork so I recommend staying home.  In Winsconsin and most
>states that I know of, gun deer season is only about a week long so
>this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

One small thing I'd like to add here.  Rosalie mentioned wearing an
orange vest (and is to be commended for doing so) and I'd like to
remind eveyone that it isn't just the loonies that one should watch
out for.  One of the best hunters I know was out one day with his son
hunting deer.  He wounded a buck that the young fellow had pushed out
to him.  The deer cut back around and the hunter shot at it again.  He
shot his son in the chest and the lad died from the wound.  Both men
were wearing camo and were in violation of the law which requires 100
sq. in. of blaze orange.  If the son had been wearing orange, the
father would have easily seen him standing there and not have shot,
but he was too intent on the deer and couldn't readily distinguish the
camo.  This man killed himself about a week later.  It was quite a
tragedy.  So wear blaze orange like Rosalie does, even if you're not
hunting.


John

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From: SEC107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU ()
Subject: Caribou
Organization: Penn State University
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:42:12 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


        My father got back from a hunting trip into northern Quebec
in search of Caribou.  He and 5 of his friends reached the camp on Weds.
On the first day one bull was taken with a bow by one of his friends. On
the second day, another of his friends got lost about 7 miles from camp.
He was missing for 2 days and 2 nights.  The weather during the those days
was very windy and a high temp of 30. During the nights it was even colder.
The lost man survived the elements with the help of one of those survival
blankets.  He was found by an airplane and the Canadian Army flew in with
helocopters to pick him up.  He told them he "was a little cold and hungry".
My dad and the rest of his friends gave up 2 days worth of hunting in order
to find the lost man. Anyway, the trip other than that was a success. All
6 men ended up with 2 bulls a piece and an experience they will never forget.
The moral of the story is:  be carefull out there. Be prepared and know how
to use a compass. That man didn't know how and it almost cost him his life.



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