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From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Learn from Lei Feng (Was Re: Oct 1, Our National Day)
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:33:47 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In post <1992Oct5.121434.9301@ms.uky.edu> (5 Oct 1992) Gang Li writes,

> Yea, he [Mao] instructed people to learn from Lei Feng, but people still
> blame him for the decay of spirit.  I wonder what the world would be if
> every one is like Lei Feng.

    Not sure how the world will be, but you are probably in jail and be
tortured.

    Don't forget (or maybe you don't know :-) the another side of Lei Feng:

    "Treat CCP's enemy as cold-blooded as the coldest wind in winter."

    I don't think Lei Feng would consider you loyal enough to the party, are
you?

    You may say I have a logic error.  If "every one is like Lei Feng," then
you would be a Lei Feng by yourself, so how could other Lei Feng regard you
as an enemy?  The point is, Lei Feng the First would be the first to block
your transformation.  Lei Feng believed that a class enemy was always looking
for chance to "change the sky" and would never shift his political attitude.
As long as there is already a Lei Feng, you have no way to model yourself
after him with your west-polluted mind :-).  He wouldn't recognize it.

    As a younger netter, you may say I am too old and my thinking is locked
in the mode of '60s.  You may say nowadays Lei Feng wouldn't care the class
struggle any more.  OK, I can live with a Lei Feng on "the Road of New Long
March."  However, if Lei Feng could change in one aspect, then why couldn't
he change in other aspects?  Maybe Lei Feng would use his truck to make good
money today, who knows?  At least there is evidence that occasionally Lei
Feng
forgot where was the line between public and private.  We know Lei Feng quite
often drove dozen miles more to help others to get home, but I don't remember
the story has a cleaner end that Lei Feng paid the extra miles from his own
pocket.  The loose system was largely responsible notwithstanding.

    Don't tell me I ask Lei Feng too much.  If I make a long-distance phone
call in my company, I got to pay it by myself, no matter what the call is
for, to help a needy CSS or make a donation to Somalia.  And if I rent a
car from the company, every mile has to be counted.
From: jfl@omaha.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:47:15 GMT
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)

In article <1992Sep25.212552.5149@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> In article <92Sep25.144818edt.128@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
|> (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
|> > In article <lc6l2sINNmt4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM  
|> (Steven Lin) writes:
|>|> this way and thus some of them become very cruel and inhumane. This kind of  
|> brutality occurs when Chinese troop "entered" Vietnam. I have quite some  
|> friends in the army and they told me that Chinese soldier also killed  
|> civilians. In fact, in some case, all the people in a viliage were killed  
|> because of their opposition. Any difference between Japanese soldiers in WWII?

Would you mind to tell us the sourse? This kind of soilder are suject to
punishment according to CCP's law. In additional, has china ever use
chemical weapon like the US. I think it is neccessary to disclose all
the fact and punish all abusers no matter they are white (english speaker)
or non white or US, British, Soviet, China ... etc. 
It is also important to punish those who killed most and benefited most.
Do you think this is a fair game? 
Tell me why it is fair and why it is not!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: st1p2@jane.uh.edu (Zhuang, Wei W.)
Subject: 51383
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:50:00 GMT
From: chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:29:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:
>In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>Dear Chinese Friend:
>>
>>
>>Today is our National Day.
>>
>>
>>What China won 43 years ago was a real INDEPENDENCE which China had not been
>>having for about 100 years. Nothing can be more valuable than
>>independence to a country.
>>
>>
>>However, neither US nor USSR were willing to see China becomes a strong 
>>country. They sent their armies to the countries around China. They tried
>>to isolate China in the world. They tried to control China via thousands of 
>>ways. When China was trying to improve the relationship with either US or USSR,
>>USSR or US would attempt to stem via their KGB or CIA.
>>
>>
>>That was history. That was the environment in which China was standing up.
>>China then had atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, satellites etc all by 
>>herself--developing technologies nearly without external help, accumulating
>>money primarily in the internal markets and meanwhile, producing food
>>so that the huge population had something to eat.
>>Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong 
>>country, an independent country.
>>
>>
>>Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected because China
>>has stood up.
>>
>>
>>Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
>>than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.
>
>I agree with you 100%.
>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>in the world and crush all the opponents!
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>
>Let's all work for that goal!
>

Since I posted this followup. I received some criticism concerning the high-
lighted line.
Here is the clarification: I didn't mean to destroy the world. I only wanted
China to be able to defend itself and destroy all the possible opponents it
will have in the future.

Sorry about the bad word choices.

Chenwei Yan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhangs@cedar.egr.uh.edu (Zhang)
Subject: hi
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:59:18 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: s075198@ceres.carleton.ca (Jun Liu)
Subject: Re: Chen Yun Is In Critical Condition.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:59:02 GMT

In <BvnnJB.EpM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
(deleted)
>Non-politically, I have my respect to Chen Yun regardless his
>conservative attitude. He is a person with human integrity. Even
>for 6/4, he should not be held responsible. He is a sincere person,
>decent and respectable. 

Unfortunately, he robbered millions of peseants for thirty some years
to appease the city dewllers for CCP's interests. His TongGeou(?) TongXiao
(purcheasing and selling grain at fixed price) policy inflicted a great 
deal of sufferings on the already poor countryside. He is a true student
of Stalin.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:21:02 GMT

In article <BvIpJn.93F@cs.psu.edu>, jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:

|> Here are a few issues to discuss with friends:
|> 
|> 1. A & H-bomb:
|> 
|> Of course we do not eat bombs, but we did need them. If US or USSR has 100
|> and we have 0, then we are in big problem. We were in big problem when we 
|> did not have A-bomb. But when we have 1, everything changes. A country can
|> not develop well without trade with other countries. The international trade
|> is much more important than its percentage in GNP. Now China can open doors
|> to the world, A & H-bombs did help. Say no bombs, I agree, but first
to US and 
|> then rest of the world.

The bombs helped open doors to the world?

Just like in the previous century that US battle ships opened the door of
Japan and China?

Japan had none, German had none, HK had none, Taiwan had none,
Singarpore had none,
and what happen to them?

I do not deny a country must have reasonable self-defence military force.
But do not get too worked up by those CCP propangandas.

|> 
|> (to be continued)

After all those land-slide responses and you are still not giving up.
Can wait to see what else you have to say.
From: pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: No cop under signal(Re:Can I buy a fax from US and install in China
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:17:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.28575
In-reply-to: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 29 Sep 92 14:25:53 GMT


	  From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
	  Subject: No cop under signal(Re:Can I buy a fax from US and install in China
	  Message-ID: <92273.102553XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
	  Date: 29 Sep 92 14:25:53 GMT

          ***

          A new coming friend from dept. of post and telecommunication
          of China told me yesterday that the installation of fax
          machine needs no permission from any police related dept.

          ***

May our friends relax a little bit now?  Although I have no confirmation on
this, but I will relax either way.  So long.
From: haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What is Action 9201?
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:18:17 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <2AC50B41.6896@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
> Many new news readers sent me messages asking "what is 9201 Action?".  This
> is a generic answer to the per quote question.
> 
> 9201 Action is the first action I and my friends took in 1992, that's why we
> named it as 9201.  This action was triggered by some democracy fighters who
> always use democracy as the pretense to gain their personal profits.  9201
> Action was taken in favor of the Chinese public and the US public.  The
> major 9201 points are:
> 
> 	- "they labelled themselves as democracy fighters in 1989, but
> 	   they have acted as visa fighters and green card fighters since
> 	   after."

  Fighting for a green card is not any thing unusual. Having a green card is
a very fundamental condition for staying here for a long time. It is as natural
as one need food. And certainly food is not the only thing one need though it
is a must. I do not see any thing wrong for some to fight for the green card.
It's each individual's choice. If keeping my mouth shut up is the condition
for me to safely return to China, I do think I need some protection to keep
speeking freely.
 
> 	- "It is not America but China which is in need of democracy."

  Wrong! Wrong!! Wrong!!! America definitely need democracy as much as China
need. As a foreigner here I have seem too many un-democratic things here. And
too many discrimination against foreigners.(China is better in this.) The only
difference is: You may not be throw into jail as you cry for democracy here
while you may in China. However you may be ignored here if you cry for the
democracy here, while you definitely won't be ignored by the CCP if you do
the same in China. That's the difference.
 
> 	- "Either in the communism country or in the capitalism country,
> 	   people got to return whatsover they owe to others."
> 
> 	- "Even in the US, if people used the government money for their
> 	   education, they need to return the money in one way or another."

  The relation between one and his motherland is more complicated than some
simple money debts, don;t you understand it?
 
> 	- "If those Chinese students are not loyal to their home country,
> 	   they won't be loyal to the US, either."

  Being loyal to US is not a condition for the protection bill. I do not 
think I will become loyal to US Government just because of a green card. And
I will always be loyal to my country, but not CCP.
 
> In addition to those publically acceptable points, here are some of my personal
> points:
> 
> 	- "Leave those garbage in America."

  If people will be considered as garbage just as they have a green card. What
are you going to say about the US citizens? CCP is much better than you on
this points: At least they have some respects to Chinese Aliens oversea.
 
> 	- "They are wose than CCP."
> 
> shannon
> -------
> 
> PS: 9201 was suspended for a couple of months, because some CCP guys made me
>     angry.
> 

---HAMLET
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: History of Xinjiang?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:59:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <BvG41G.Lu3@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> (1 Oct 92) Tingli Pan writes,

> From what I've read, after 1912, Xinjian had been in a turmoil situation
> until 1949. It has many power, ethnic, ideological groups involved,
including
> CCP, Sheng Shi Cai, Ma Bu Fang(or his brothers), White Russians (of course
> Red too) and many many more.  And Eastern Turkistan Republic was one of
them,
> and not a big one.

    Surely Tingli is right here.  However, what brought me to comment on this
matter is the particular area involved.

    People usually think that Xinjiang became part of China after Kangxi (of
Qing Dynasty) conquered it.  However, as early as the Han Dynasty, China had
established control on the east part of Xinjiang.  The Zhou House of Yi Zhou,
was in today's Hami.  In Yuan and Ming Dynasty, the east Xinjiang was under
Mongol's reign.  As Mongol became a subordinate ally of Qing, the east
Xinjiang
automatically fell into Beijing's hand.  Kangxi only conquered the west part
of Xinjiang.

    Han Chinese has a strong foot in the east Xinjiang.  Actually they are
the majority.  If Lix goes there, he will find lots of Lao Xiang.  Many of
them fled from Sichuan in the 1959-1962 Famine, apparently couldn't wait for
the good yam harvest that saved Lix's life :-).

    But the west border area is quite different.  Even the Uygurs look a bit
different.  It takes no effort to spot a stunning beauty.  It is said some
of them have Greek genes brought there by the solders of Alexander the Great.
No wonder the famous Fragrant Concubine (Xiang Fei) was born in Yili area
:-).

    In the last century this scenic area was the confluence of three powers,
British, Russian and China.  The lingering effect is five riots in three
hundred years.  Three in Qing.  Russian intervened in the last one, and
occupied Yinin.  Qing was able to recover it later only because the British
hated to see the Polar Bear move closer to India.  Then there was anti-KMT
uprising in 1947, and anti-CCP riot in 1962.

    That is enough to send shudder to anyone ever impressed by Xinjiang's
beauty and diversity.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: yeh's prediction on the bill
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:53 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:33:00 GMT

          Shannon says:

         >   0.51  veto
         >   0.49  sign

          What a miser.  You know the CSS badly need that 0.01, but
          you don't give them :-).              

          I also feel bad you place Mexico beyond China.  No matter
          how spanish you are, you should realize the fact that China
          has more influnence on the U.S.

          I agree with you that presidents are realistic once elected.
          But it by no means says that a Democrat president will
          carry out the same policies as the republican.  In fact,
          things could be much much different in terms of foreign
          policies when president changes.   The only thing it will
          not change is the recession.
From: llou@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ligang B. Lou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:46:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>English is the language of communication. 
>
>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.


Did you get inspiration from your English class when you wrote this?
I agree on the last sentence in your article.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:08:39 GMT

In article <BvBMo9.B38@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>In article <28528@life.ai.mit.edu> pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>>
>>Relax.  Just register and get on with your live.  In US, one used to have to
>>get a license from FCC for operating a CB radio.  Now I believe the
>>regulation/law still says the same but FCC has long stopped licensing and any
>>one can operate a CB without a license now.  Similar things happened to China.
>>One used to have to register his/her radio with police, in the 50's I think.
>>Today, probably there are not many who even know such a regulation existed.
>
>You relax :-)  The requirement for FAX machine owners to register with
>Public Security Bureau was imposed shortly AFTER June 4th Beijing Masscare,
>your reasoning/prediction doesn't quiet apply here.
>

Not only that. Peng Wu was comparing apples with oranges. Fax machine is not
wireless communication and it's really just a telephone machine except the
signal is converted into printable characters rather than voice. Unless the
government wants to know what's going over the telephone line, there is
no sense to register the fax machine. 

CB radio serves practically as a broadcast machine and abusing CB radio 
can cause many conceivable damages. So responsiblity here is required. 
Although I don't have any CB radio, but I believe you can only use the 
CB radio sold in the store without a license. If you want to construct 
your own radio device, you still need to have a license. I reach this 
conclusion because I know that you still need to get a license to be 
an amature radio operator. 
___
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:10:09 GMT

This is nothing more than a test.
Sorry for wasting hundreds $'s for posting this.
But someones wasted much more than I do.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:34:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.212552.5149@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <92Sep25.144818edt.128@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
>(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>> In article <lc6l2sINNmt4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM  
>(Steven Lin) writes:
>> [......] 
>> >
>> >These two great shows never happened in Chinese history. These two
>> >demos ended up with two complete different results. A lot of people
>> 
>> The only difference is, Mr. Jiang was not alive and in charge in 1990,
>> and unfortunately, his CCP brother comrades of his generation are still  
>alive, 
>> If Jiang learned some yahoos cut down his flag pole on the square, and make
>> his officials look like a bunch of asses don't be surprised if he sends in 
>> the tank and make a couple of meat pies too.  After a strong man died, 
>> the successors of the "post-strong man" area will always look nicer, 
>> once the same generation of people on the mainland passed away, the mainland 
>> will enter the same era too.  
>> 
>
>No, it is not correct. Li Peng is not very old but I bet he would be even worse   
>than Jiang had he had bigger power. I think the proplem is, in PRC, people have  
Li Peng is nothing but a puppet, and wind up being the scapegoat of 6.4.
Sure he's the premier, but he had no say about the army.  Whether he
can order machine gun hosing on his own, nobody knows, and I don't think
anyone wants to find out.  

>been educated in a wrong way. Remember Mao said "it's a great pleasure to fight  
>against the sky, the earth and people". Mainland people have been educated in  
>this way and thus some of them become very cruel and inhumane. This kind of  
>brutality occurs when Chinese troop "entered" Vietnam. I have quite some  
>friends in the army and they told me that Chinese soldier also killed  
>civilians. In fact, in some case, all the people in a viliage were killed  
>because of their opposition. Any difference between Japanese soldiers in WWII?
>
>It's sort of puzzled me why some mainlanders try so hard to find excuse for CCP  
>when they come out China? I think maybe it is because they love China. But  
>China does not equal to CG.
>
>Carl


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wc4623@innis.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day  [classification]
Organization: York University, North York, Ontario
	<lcs72sINNbnt@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <WC4623.92Oct5134617@innis.yorku.ca>
	<Bvnznu.AL3@cs.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:30:40 GMT

Hi, SCCers,

jyw@phys.psu.edu does not agree with things like "copy from standard
CCP text books".

I do not mean his initial post is such a copy.  But take a look at
this particular statement:

From jyw@phys.psu.edu:

[Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected because China
has stood up.]

And I am not arguing here whether this statement true or false.
Though, seldom such a case that Chinese was respected by he is a
Chinese.

But hell, to be faithful, I think the image and status of Chinese does
being improved.  And part of this may due to 6.4.  :)

have a nice day,

ming
--
Ming  He
"My .sig is in bad mood...
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Blood Card Lottery
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:39:29 GMT

I don't think that Bush will pass the bill, but many people think so.  
Unfortunately, neith do I nor do those "many people" have the power
to control George Bush.  So, how about playing a Blood Card Lottery?

Here is how:

  Each participant of this gamble deposits a certain amount of 
  electronic dollar (of course, his/her address should be verified
  in the MX record and other means) to the network.  Two teams will 
  be set up on the net:
	
	Team A: a group of people think the bill will be passed;
	Team B: a group of people think that Bush will veto it.
  
  Members in each team can individually/colletively challenge member(s)
  in the other team with a paid wittness.  The losing party will lose
  all his/their deposit.  The winner(s) take 95% of the gambling 
  deposit, and the wittness take the rest 5%.  Then, to avoid the 
  situation of "everyone likes to be the judge, because they can always
  win 5% of the deposit regardless which party wins", the judges are 
  required to spend 95% of his gambling income in buying X'mas gifts
  and to distribute the gifts to the losing parties and the winning 
  parties on a 50:50 split.

This idea may bring conflicts with the usenet policy.  If so, please find 
other ways to relax.

shannon
-------

PS: this idea was contributed by a friend.