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From: tmason@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Blue-Tongue and Prehensile-Tailed Skinks
Summary: Information Request
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:14:08 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, CCSD, Columbia, SC

What is a good reference for Blue-Tongue and Prehensile-tailed skinks?
I am considering purchasing a pair of one of these two types, and I would
like to gather more information.  Is there good information available on
their nutritional needs?  What about breeding information (size of litter,
age of sexual maturity, fertility rates, sexing)?

Has anybody out there bred either of these two types of lizards?  

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From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Re: igs and going to the bathroom
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:14:52 GMT

Not normal for mine, who go every day....Have you changed their feeding habits?
                                     Debra
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Bitis gabonica bites
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:33:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	Anybody who wants to keep Gaboon Vipers ought to read Raymond
Ditmars' account of what happened to Marlin Perkins when he was struck by
one fang on the back of his left index finger.  He came very close to
dying despite very prompt, expert medical care.  He spent a long time in the 
hospital.  Their venom is both neuro and hemo toxic. From what I have read, 
once a Gaboon Viper gets riled, it stays angry for a long time, gaping and 
striking reapeatedly.  And a Gaboon is one hell of a lot of viper to
have angry at you.  If you do get struck, you won't have much time to respond
to the bite, let alone to re-house the snake that will probably still be 
trying to bite you.  (Perkins had an assistant there who restrained the snake
so it didn't strike him again).

	There's some fellow in Florida who breeds Gaboons; he's a braver man
than I'll ever be.  The person who posted the query about king cobras and 
Gaboons ought to get in touch with him first.   Maybe someone on the net
can supply his address?  
































D
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Philippi, WV      *          ---Got My Mojo Workin'--  P. Foster
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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: 1 of the 1001 places to hide for snakes.
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:54:59 GMT


	I first started out with all kinds of rocks and brances in the tank for
Tabatha (my Snow corn). The problem was that she just hid in those places when
I wanted to get her. Now there are fewer rocks and braches and I put a dishtowl
in the tank. SHE LOVES IT!! Shes in this bunched up dishtowel all the time. 


	Question....

	Should I be worried if she allways tries to get out of my hand? She
does seem fairly scared still....how long should her fear last? Is this
normal for a baby? I am holding her everyday (for about 10 min).....good or bad?

   
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

P.S.
----
Live long and prosper.                   

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From: garys@miki.pictel.com (Gary Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Cause of Bullsnakes demise?
Keywords: Bullsnakes demise
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:46:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.215424.4910@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>
>Warning: gruesome description follows.
>
> [gruesome description deleted]
>

Yeeks.  That *was* a gruesome description.  I've got a pretty
strong stomach, but that's pretty bad.  I would not recommend
people doing that, at least unless they're really sure their
snake won't eat dead things or neck-broken things, and can't
handle live things.

That sounds gratuitously painful to the food-animal.

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From: dboldt@dsdbqvarsa (David Boldt (x5679))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: can reptiles sneeze?
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:37:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: rsg1.1992Oct6.163702.15883
Organization: United States Geological Survey

In article <ead.718219648@orion> Eric De Mund <ead@cs.ucsb.edu> writes:
>dear rec.pets.herp,
>
>can reptiles sneeze? how about amphibians?

I've seen iguanas sneeze, but I've never noticed any other herps sneezing. I 
keep a milk snake, many small lizards, tortoises, horned frogs.  They do yawn 
frequently.
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                           -- david boldt   dboldt@qvarsa.er.usgs.gov
                                            US Geological Survey
                                            Reston, VA    (703 648-5679)
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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Another question about mice:
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.171906.4378@desire.wright.edu> jknife@desire.wright.edu writes:
>All of this stuff about mice chewing on snakes is kind of scary.  I've had a
>corn snake for about a month now, but so far he's only big enough for 
>pinkies.  When he gets big enough for adult mice, I don't want him to get 
>hurt.  Are fighting mice common, or the exception that gets talked about a lot?
>Also, what is a good way to "stun" a mouse? 

In my experience, mice seldom chew on snakes.  But all it takes is once to 
severely scar or kill your animal.  I've seen several, generally owned by
relatively inexperienced people.  The best solution for me is to kill the 
mouse before giving it to the snake.  Most Corn snakes will take live, 
fresh killed, and thawed-out frozen food equally readily.  Feed dead
food, and you won't have to worry about the mouse eating the snake.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.

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From: jthomaso@nmsu.edu (THOMASON)
Subject: sneezing rep
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:12:34 GMT


(N.America)

  Sneezing is usually a physiological response to foreign proteins
that are introduced into an organisms body by various vectors. I know
of some species in squamata (snakes & lizards), crocodylia and
rynchocephalia (the tuatara) that do go into anyphilactic spasms or
allergic responses but they dont physically sneeze as do humans.
  An interesting twist to this is that crocodiles, gavials and
alligators yawn exactly the way we do, an interesting phylogenetic
adaptation picked up from our saurian ancestors... As far as
amphibians are concerned I dont know or care...

					J. Thomason
					NMSU
From: ss@panix.com (Steve Steinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Need tips for water turtles (THANKS!)
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:09:44 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep24.122807.90@panix.com> ss@panix.com (Steve Steinberg) writes:

>My son just got 2 red-ears (1-male 4", 1-female 2.5"), a 10 gal. tank,
>a filter (6" long, octagonal marked "92.03") and some slate.  I would
>appreciate any comments regarding the tank size, the filter, is the
>tank large enough for these 2 ( or can we add another), etc.

>Any general comments would be appreciated, as well a where to find a FAQ.

>Thanks

My thanks to:
	Don Baldwin
	Gary Sullivan
	Anthony Datri
	Jenifer Mery
  and 	Valarie Haecky

for their responses to my request.  Here's what I wound up doing:

I purchased a Rubbermaid sweater box which is almost transparent plastic
about 2' x 1.5'.  The lid was discarded.  The sides are smooth and there
is no trouble with suction cups for the heater/thermometer/etc.  

I bought a 25 watt immersion heater which I hid behind a piece of 
slate in the flow of the filter.  The turtles are enjoying their
new home.

Question:  What has the discussion been regarding
Vitalite vs. Gro-bulb?  The Vita-light is gonna be expensive, so for now
I set up a 75 watt gro-bulb about 12" from their basking rock. 
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: big snake bites?
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:20:18 GMT

In article <BvBtKJ.4E6@egsner.cirr.com> datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
writes:
>Kyle wrote:
>>Good point... in the one & only Burmese feeding bite I've survived, I
>
>Okay, I'll bite.  How many Burmese feeding bites have you *not* survived?

Anthony, Anthony...I've known Kyle for almost a year now and I know better
than to offer him the lead-in to a tall tale without also supplying a pint
of Guinness stout...

    don
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: R.I.P. baby anole
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:22:31 GMT
Organization: AI Program, University of Georgia, Athens

Those of you who congratulated me on the successful hatching of a green
anole on July 30 will be saddened to know that this morning I found the
poor fellow curled up, dead, in his tank.

The probable reason was malnutrition.  I've been having problems raising
fruit flies and the supply of food for this lizard had been inadequate
for a couple of weeks.  Not until last night did I realize how thin he
had gotten, and I never got him to eat mealworms like my other lizards.

To compound matters, it was a very cold night and the heat was off, so the
indoor temperature probably hit 60 F.

Poor little fellow... so alive just a couple of days ago, and now he is 
no more.

At least my daughter still has the egg from which he hatched.

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From: bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu (Barry Ronald Breffle)
Subject: For Sale
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:17:39 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

         GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE


Due to the time and money constraints of college life,
I've decided to get out of the breeding business.
I have the following for sale:

One pair of heterozygous for patternless 
   Burmese pythons (m/f) ~12ft. long    $720
One pair of yearling red tail boas
   (m/f) about 3ft. long                $275
One pair of yearling double het. Burmese
   pythons (patternless,albino) 3ft.    $900
Burmese python hatchlins (hatched in May)
   captive bred:
            Greens                     4@$275
            Normal                     3@$85
2 green iguanas (2yrs. old)
            larger, tail intact          $75
            smaller, tail dropped        $55
Incubator (plywood box)	as described in
   Ross,Marzec python book               $50
2 2'x4'x20" cages w/sliding glass front
                                       2@$100
2 4'x4'x20" cages with glass door in
   corner on two sides                 2@$150
3 stanfield heating pads 1.5'x2'       3@$40
Microclimate thermostat for incubator
   very precise and reliable             $175
Microclimate pulse thermostat with
   nightime drop and high load capability
   for multiple cage use                 $110
6 rat cages lab-type                    6@$20
8 10 gallon aquariums                   8@$10
1 mouse cage lab-type                     $15
Python probe set                          $30



All of these prices listed are "high" end prices.  Please 
make offers on things that you are interested in.  I do
need to sell all of this stuff.
All of the snakes for sale are good voluntary eaters and
are captive breed and healthy.
Obviously I will need to hold on to the cages, heaters, etc.
until I sell some of the snakes, so if you are interested in
these items only, it may be awhile before they become available.
If you know anyone who is interested in these items,
please let them or me know about it.
Once again, don't hesitate to make me an offer.  Chances are I
won't tern it down.

Barry Breffle
bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu
(319)354-8625
407 Dakota Trail 
Iowa City, IA  52240
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Subject: Kingsnake comments, anyone?
From: jknife@desire.wright.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:40:03 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

	Hi folks.  I just got a new California Kingsnake, and I was wondering
if any of you have any info to share on quirks of the species.  So far
everything's fine: He's eaten a pinkie hamster and he looks plenty healthy.

	One question though -- when I picked him up once, about 24 hrs. after
he'd eaten, he opened his mouth several times and made a noise which I could
only guess was an attempt to throw up.  He does seem a little jittery, so I
figured this was just a symptom of nerves that will go away once he's used to
me. Any comments?

	I guess I have this newsgroup to thank for the fact that I even have
him.  I already had a corn snake, but once I started reading the postings here
I was encouraged enough to go out and get another snake.  Thanks for all the
info.



								Joe Knife 
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From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Re: Kingsnake comments, anyone?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:18:39 GMT

     I recently acquired a speckled kingsnake.  From what I have heard they
are very shy when eating and having someone watch them eat can cause them to 
toss cookies.  Mine ate a mouse the first night I got it, but the next mornig
it was back (yuchh!)  Also temperature can also affect their digestion.

--
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srh3@ra.msstate.edu
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From: garys@miki.pictel.com (Gary Sullivan)
Subject: Re: big snake bites?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:40:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.160600.6671@progress.com> gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
>hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
>
>>If snakes are so readily repulsed by alcohol, ...
>
>As far as alcohol working, trust me on this.  I speak from direct experience.  
>Toxicity is not the issue.  The irritation of oral mucosa is what (I think) 
>gets the job done.  Really, you're not offering snooky a single malt scotch,
>I was thinking more like rubbing alcohol.  Jack Daniels *does* work though.

Actually, I would think that Jack Daniel's would be preferred over rubbing
alcohol.  I doubt it would be any better for a snake to ingest some rubbing
alcohol than it would be for a person.  This position is supported by an
article in this month's AFH Vivarium which refers to a position stated in
Greg Naclerio's Varanix newsletter saying you should use *grain* alcohol or
whiskey or somesuch, and *not* rubbing alchohol.

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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: 1 of the 1001 places to hide for snakes.
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:40:31 GMT

meh0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|
|She still pisses on me when I pick her up, then she calms down, 
|anything I should worry about or is that just a kingsnake thing??

From all reports, it's just a kingsnake thing.  I've been blessed with
a kingsnake with a nice disposition - she's never released anything on me.
However, other kings available in the area are the same age as mine, but
they are downright mean.  

I think the best thing you can do is handle the snake as much as possible;
just keep a rag nearby.  The snake will eventually stop doing this nasty
deed.  I've handled mine almost daily since April and she's extremely calm
when I handle her.

-Brent
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bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu                                   Texas A&M University
      What are typical family values?      Good buys at WalMart.
From: gg02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GABRIELLA GRAD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: help:  lost gecko!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:50:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I have lost a leopard somewhere in my room (which looks like a disaster area
right now) and was wondering if anyone would have advice for a twit such as
myself.

The questions I have are:  where would you hide if you were a leopard gecko?
     would you roam far from the tank or stay close by (if you had a choice)?
     could you survive very long without food and water?
     could you become prey to a 1.5 year old green iguana who also lives in
          this room and roams free?


I made the mistake (a STUPID  one, I might add) of underestimating these
little guys.  This particular gecko had escaped once before in my boyfriend's
living room, and I found her in the couch the next morning.  My problem now is
that it took a whole 36 hours for me to discover that she was missing again
(this time in my bedroom).  I sure hope I find her soon, cause I would hate to
be the cause of her death.

Note:  these guys climb well - don't leave them unattended with the tops off
their cages or they will be outta there.

thanks for any tips

gaby


I did just sit there last night for a long time and listened for unacountable
sounds of movement, but heard none.
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From: havrilla@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: (Vented Anger)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:00:50 GMT

  Hello All,
  A news story on our local television, about a snake, has me up in
arms. It appears that a person from a local pizza shop discovered a 
Black Rat snake in the kitchen. In their attempt to remove the snake
the person was bit several times on the hand. I quess not knowing it
was wild, that person did not know how to handle it. The local fire 
department was called to handle the matter. What really Steamed Me
was the fact that right behind the restaurant was a nice set of woods,
and instead of taking the Black Rat out back in the woods, where
it would've helped with the mouse population near the restaurant, they
proceded to put the snake under the ambulance and run over it. On TV !!! 
 I'm sorry to see such ignorance still around when it comes to reptiles.
Poor guy, he'll hafta soak up some rubbing alcohol and bandages. Poor
Black Rat, it wont be able to keep the rodent population down, by the
restaurant.
                         Thanks for letting me vent my frustration,
                                    Al Havrilla
                           A herps best friend... A Herper 
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From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Subject: Re: Sexing
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.143349.27794@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>
>	Well I got her! An albino Corn. I had not asked what sex the snake is 
>though... I looked in this book I have and apparently it's a girl. The tail 
>tappers sharply from about the mid section. How accurate is this way of 
>figuring out the sex?
>                                               
>                                                      Treky and Tabatha
>							    N8VFZ
>

Tail taper is usually a fairly unreliable way to sex a snake, EXCEPT in
corn snakes.  The difference in tail taper between male and female corns
is very pronounced, provided the snake is at least about 6-8 months old. 
From your description above, it sounds like you actually have a male.  In
cornsnake females, the taper begins pretty close to the base of the tail
(roughly 3 subcaudal scales from the cloaca), in males the tail is roughly
the same thicknes for about 10 subcaudal scales and then the taper begins.
If as you said, the tail tapers sharply "from about the midsection" then
it sounds like a male.  
I learned to sex cornsnakes from tail taper about a year ago, and since
then I've compared my assessment from tail taper to results obtained from
probing in about a dozen corns (and 2 great plains ratsnakes).  So far I'm
batting 1000.
From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Python eats rabbit in movie
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:37:59 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

I just saw the sequel to _Roger and Me_ last night.  It is of course
also by Michael Moore, and visits Flint, MI in 1992 to followup on what
has happened since the original movie.  It is just 20 minutes long.

Anyway, the lady who raised rabbits for "Pets or Meat" (the title of
the sequel) has expanded her business to raising rats and mice for
snake food.  Large snakes also eat the rabbits.  At her house, she
is holding this enormous rabbit and saying that someone is going to
pay her X dollars for it to feed to his big snake.

The next seen is that of a python (Indian, I think - it didn't appear
to be a Reticulated or a Rock) attacking and eating this monster rabbit.
Nice.

-- 
Randy Pals                |pals@ipact.com
IPACT, Inc.               |
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From: stevet@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Steve Turner)
Subject: Re: Kingsnake comments, anyone?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:59:25 GMT

> (He's hissed at me once -- I had handled my corn snake and then
> handled the king.  He must've been jealous, but he didn't strike.)

Your kingsnake wasn't jealous, he smelled the corn snake and it triggered
his feeding response.  Since kingsnakes feed on other snakes and reptiles,
you should probably wash your hands if you handle other snakes prior to
handling your kingsnake.  

I recall an interesting incident when I was visiting a herp breeder.
He had been handling lots of snakes, showing us his collection.  Then
he put his hand into the kingsnake cage, containing about 6 kingsnakes.
They immediately went into a feeding frenzy from the scent, and coiled
around each other (and his hand).  He had to manually uncoil the snakes
from each other and let them calm down...

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From: deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Toilet Python
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


From the "News of the Weird" section in San Jose (CA) Mercury/News:

"David Rodgers, 22, was charged with animal cruelty after a neighbor
said Rodgers had flushed his pet python down the toilet.  The python
survived, and Rodgers staged a re-enactment of the incident in an Ottawa, 
Canada, courtroom in Jamnuary.  Rodgers said he normally tries to keep the
snake in warm water in the bathtub but that it prefers the toilet.  In
the courtroom re-enactment, the snake quickly slithered to the toilet
and Rodgers was acquitted."

Weird...Why is the "python" kept in the bathtub?  Perhaps it's an 
annaconda?  I wonder how many scars David Rodgers has on his 
privates... 

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