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From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:38:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network



Matthew, if you are going to expect me to substanciate my words with 
printed reference, (I did give past publications in reference) please 
exchange the same courtesy.
	And i do think if I slept with a Celt's wife, it would have been 
her demand, and  since she was the head of the household.
	Now if he had a complaint about that, would depend on several factors.
I find it amazing that you are at a university and your scope of reading
is so limited.....must be another one of the differences between 
Americans and English.....
	As for me practicing a "true" pagan religion, (catholicism),well,
first:It is a watered-down wiccan religion full of christian misnomers
and I was "asked" to leave the catholic church at the age of 15 when I 
refused to beg forgivness for sleeping with a young girl(something I've 
never regreted....boy some legs!:)
	And I have made some "spells" and rituals up....that is part of the 
power...as for transmigration being my only Celtic religion practice, well
I have no intention telling you all my religious beliefs....
merry meet(I think).....& merry part!!!!
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Big Country, the rock group
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:00:34 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct13.213839.25930@u.washington.edu> rcr@babbage.u.washington.edu (Rhonda Corcoran) writes:

>Big Country is still around, popular or not.  When I was in
>N. Ireland last year I remember a song that B.Country had
>just put out.  It was called "Republican Reptile".  Judging
>by this song, their sound has changed a lot to a heavier rock
>line.  I'm no music critic, so I won't try to explain the new
>sound.  But it sounded great.

>Rho

The full title is "Republican Party Reptile", and it was on their latest 
album called "No Place Like Home" (?). And yes, they've turned to more 
straight rock, which IMHO is a loss, even if they seemed to have lost their 
touch already earlier (the quite AOR-sounding "Peace In Our Time"). The 
greatest hits album after PIOT, "Through a Big Country" was a great 
collection, of course.

Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Mr. Walker's comments about welfare in Ms. and Ala.
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:42:14 GMT
Organization: Not Philips

In referenced article, silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>	It's glaringly apparent that whether he's lived there or not, a
>woman who's worked in the Jackson, MS welfare office for 5 years knows
>more about issues of poverty and welfare in Mississippi than he does.

As you say, contrary to what Suzanne states, her experience doesn't give
her any rights in the discussion, only knowledge.  She can use this
knowledge to refute Graham's claims but so far she hasn't done so.

She's _has_ complained that the fact that _other_ places have poverty too,
relieves her of the need to respond, and she did remark that many of the
poor really are happy in their poverty.

I gave a knee-jerk reaction to that in a previous posting, but I think it
needs something more.

It's part of the human psyche to improve your condition, especially to make
life better for your children.  To state that any group of people in an
underprivileged position are happy with their lot, not only suggests that
they are somehow sub-human, but also gives a convenient excuse for not
trying to do anything about it.  As Suzanne was keen to point out, "Don't
blame society".
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  dunn@cam.org          |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Speech by Martin Fincane
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:50:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Oct14.095017.2254
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I noticed that no one has posted in regards to the Speech by 
Martin Finucane....I was hoping to hear some thoughts from people who
actually live in Ireland regarding his speech.  Of course, everyone
might not have had time to see it yet.  *smile*

Does this happen all over Ireland or just in certain areas?  I mean
are there certain areas that are more privy to this than others?
I guess I thought that things were not so bad in Ireland as the media
used to indicate that it was at one time.

I would appreciate any comments of support or no support of this
tragedy.

Thanks.....

Suzanne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Welfare in Mississippi and Alabama
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:50:18 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Oct9.200629.27506@morrow.stanford.edu>,
silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) says:
> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>In referenced article, shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>>*smile*
>>(shudder)
>  ^^^^^^^
>        Distaste for manners and sweetness? You are really quite the
>arrogant, ethnocentric little PC-bigot Mr. Dunn.
Holly, it is considered good manners on the net to use lowercase, rather
than uppercase, because it is easier for for people to read. Suzannes
*smile* mannerism is obtrusive and uncomfortable to read. Her insistance
on using it, rather than the the net.conventional smiley, is certainly
ethnocentric, and borders on rude. If she is trying to be sweet, it's rather
stupid to persist with a habit that people don't find sweet.

>Follow-ups to soc.culture.usa.
I deleted most of your argument with Ray, and reset followups to scc.
>--
>======================================================================
>|| Holly Silva                  I have nothing terribly clever to say||
>|| Applied Earth Sciences       today.  You're in luck.              ||
>|| Stanford University                                               ||
Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: SNL 10/4/92- What did Sinead tear up?
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:12:51 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct7.184316.24102@nlm.nih.gov> neve@nlm.nih.gov writes:
>
>Given Catholicism's history of backwardness on social issues, and in particular
>those relating to women (a matter about which Ms. O'Conner is well qualified
>to have an opinion) , the attacks do not seem out of place.

Let's us say, it wasn't a very tactful action.  I am disappointed because 
maybe they`ll start to record Saturday Night Live now.  NBC was quite   
spineless in their reaction, perhaps fearing the death threats by antifree
speech activists, such as those that forced Warner to withdraw that rap 
album that proposed urban improvements :-).  Another problem with the
forum used by Ms. O'Connor, is that her problem is with the Catholic church 
in Ireland and not in America, although I guess there isn't much difference.
There are fanatics on both sides of the atlantic, but they are hardly
retricted to Catholicism, and the worst examples in America tend to be
fundamentalists such as Pat Robertson.  Sinead`s namesake, the Archbishop
of New York, seems tolerant by comparison.


 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Mr. Walker's comments about welfare.
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:51:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct14.004219.2893@morrow.stanford.edu>,
silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

> 
>  halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>>> 
>>I thought this was all about
>>the essentially innocuous post (if socialist and perhaps thereby
>>unacceptable by definition in the US 
> 
> 	Graham Walker mentioned the deep Delta South in a list of
> deeply impoverished localities he'd included in a rebuttal to one
> of Nattering Newell's many flame baits. Newell's post was chock full
> of patently obvious sarcasm regarding the consumeristic nature of his
> life. Graham took his words as though Newell were talking straight, 
> and proceeded to deliver up a little smug diatribe against Newell 
> on account of his ah, consumeristic greediness. It was something on
> the order of " don't brag about the food you have, there are people 
> starving in India.", said to a man who was 'bragging' about the 
> meatloaf dinner his wife had planned for him that evening.

But how does this constitute a "nasty piece of work" as you called
it? 

The most it shows to me is a failure to spot the humour, and to my
reading, Gary Newell's post is obviously sarcastic but is still
somewhat distasteful. But I recognise it as flame-bait; maybe
Graham's "crime" was to rise to the bait.

>>[.....] but I think
>>the use of terms like ``PC-bigot'' is just intellectually bankrupt.

Maybe it's just me, but I find the whole concept of PC (the label)
pretty depressing. It's a poor substitute for argument. "Hey,
you're one of THEM, so what you say _must_ be rubbish and I don't
have to deal with it". Or as you used it, it's just a pretty
meaningless insult. You might have meant something (like your
subsequent enlargement); all I see is petty name-calling ... but
maybe it's just me. 


Brendan

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Dublin City University Please!
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:29:53 GMT
Organization: Brown University
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Please Help Me!

I need to get in touch with students, staff or faculty of Dublin City
University. Here's my problem - I need to mail someone (SnailMail, not
email) at DCU but I am not able to use the regular channels to contact
them. So if you will be willing to help mend a broken heart, please
mail me back. (Sordid parental story follows.)

Su-Lyn Seah '9
Brown U. '94
From: CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Henry Corcoran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:43:55 GMT
 t7.155411.9657@noose.ecn.purdue.edu><1992Oct8.075858.26318@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

In article <1992Oct8.075858.26318@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew
Huntbach) says:
>
>From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
>> I'm tring to understand present day Celtica.  I would think Sinead
>>O'Connor's actions would have been applauded by some.  After all, Catholics
>>stole our religion, destroyed our way of life, and exicuted tens of
>>thousands in order to spread their way.  Why let them continue taking
>>our morals from us?
>>       Sorry all, just wanted to give an artist support and give one wiccan's
>>opinion.
>
>Oh, come on, the conversion of Ireland from paganism was
>remarkably peaceful. St Patrick, St Columba et al were not
>warriors. Irish culture and catholicism are intimately linked,
>not at oppostion to each other.
>

 I would go as far as to say that in Ireland, between the dates (roughly) the
time of St. Patrick to about the invasions of Henry II, Ireland was then (and
now) one of the few examples of a nation that followed the true teachings of
Christianity. For example their were no crusades or inquisitions, inter-clan
warfare markedly decreased. Further, the leading Christians (St. Patrick,St
Bridgit, Comcalle (sp) and many others encouraged the development of the cultur
e such as the Bardic tradition, Brehon Laws, unselfish hospitality and generosi
ty. Learning, both secular and spiritual flourished. I can't help but think wha
t life would be like if, St. Patrick etc. brought Christianity to the American
Indians or the native people of Africa or the Pacific or even the cities and to
wns of the US.
      I welcome other's thought on this topic.
                                              Henry Corcoran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.sport.soccer
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: L.O.I. results
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:04:40 GMT

--

Quick note

Derry 1 Sligo 2 - Sligo reach League cup semi final

Shelbourne 0 Bohemians 0 - Bohs win Presidents cup on pens


I will be away for the next 4 weeks so I won't be posting any L.O.I.
reports.  I'll catch up on the scores etc when I get back but I'm sure
many people would appreciate it if someone could post the results and
tables in my absence.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Wang and RAID
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:47:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <199210121454.AA12850@tuna.wang.com>, MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett") writes:
> Regarding the questions just asked in soc.culture.celtic
> from Quebec regarding what Wang is doing with RAID storage,
> Wang has just announced a high performance RAID system for
> the VS minicomputer installed base.  This is a RAID 3 system
> which has been selected because it matches the VS minicomputer
> architecture the best.  As this announcement has just come
> out, I am not yet sure who the manufacturer is, but I can find
> out for those interested.  I'll be happy to send anyone further
> details.
> 
> Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com

I'm taking bets that the story behind this is that Michael was
reading NetNews at work, and then realised his supervisor had been
standing behind him for some time...

:-) Brendan (always hit ^Z when I hear the door)

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
From: scott@festival.ed.ac.uk (Scott Larnach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Ugly Americans-It's not our fault
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:32:44 GMT

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.122537.24361@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse) writes:
>>The Scottish/Irish contribution  is explained thus: "[They] were heders, adn

>Could you type this bit in again, as I frankly can't understand what
>you meant to type!

Perhaps 'heders' is American for 'headbangers'.

S
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Mr. Walker's comments about welfare in Mississippi and Alabama
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:29:04 GMT

From article <1992Oct6.152834.2203@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, by shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu:
> What I am talking about is the way people love to make comments
> about how bad it is in other states, when all they have to go by
> are reports given to us by the media.  
> 
> Suzanne

Having read a number of postings in reference to my posting I am a
little comfused. It should be remembered that I did also refere to New
York city and Upstate New York (and Liverpool in the UK). I was doing my
best to indicate that Capitalism is a particularly unpleasant system
that favours the "well endowed" and uses a "natural selection" attitudes
to dispose of the "less well endowed." My remarks have been twisted to
make it sound as if I was picking on the South. If you want I will quite
happily quote LA and  Detroit (of which I have knowledge of both
personally) as other "good" example of how the disadvantaged are abused
and exploited by the system and society. Nevertheless the south also has
a large number of poor people.

And as to your suggestion that some of the poor don't mind being poor, I
would suggest that this is not true of the vast majority, who have to
struggle through each day. The welfare system itself (of which were a
part) also makes it very very difficult to survive, and often makes an
effort to make it as difficult as possible to obtain help.

Your comments on the number of childern that the poor have, and how this
is their own fault, does not take into acount the fact that these people
often are very poorly educated, lack real access to contraceptives, and
have abusive husbands who demand their conjugale rights whether or not
the woman refuses. "WELFARE QUEENS" do not exist. It is HELL being one of
the underpriveliged (sp?).

All my arguements have also not even made an attempt at discussing how
Capitalism (Westen Europe AND the US) have screwed third world
countries.

															GW
p.s. my sources are not confined to the Capitalist media which I agree quite
happily distorts facts too suit its own ends (as does all media). However, if
one cannot rely on information about other parts of the world without visiting
them then any attempt at trying to rectify the present system has no way of
succeeding (or are you happly with the present system).

																GW
From: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Final Curragh race of the N.American Season in N.Orleans
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:29:44 GMT
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Organization: Michigan State University

Lake Pontchartrain can be great sailing. Please post some results of the
regatta.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:29:28 GMT


>while on the surface, Sinead O'Connor seems to have a point, people in
>Ireland mainly try to ignore her little-thought-out and immature political
>statements ...

>A classic case in mind is the case of the 14-year-old rape victim trying to
>have an abortion earlier this year ... Sinead flounced across from
>London, demanded to see the Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds, and stated that
>she supported this girl ....... because she herself had two abortions in the
>last couple of years because there was no chance of long-term relationships
>with the potential fathers !

>Since the abortion/contraception lobbies in Ireland
>have been saying for years that wide access to information and help in
>getting decent contraceptive methods would mean abortion, except in
>extreme circumstances, would NOT be introduced into Ireland, most people
>on both sides of the debate were pretty p*ssed off with her whole attitude. 

>She has a great voice, but her political views are largely ignored here
>at this stage ...

>Bridget

My only reaction to the actions of Sinead O'Connor in the above mentioned
incident and her recent performance on Sat. night live is -  
Who the f*** does she think she is ?

I still cannot understand how Albert Reynolds had the time to entertain her
while he refused to meet with a representation of female deputies in the Dail.
I don't wish to start a debate on the pros/cons of abortions, but I'll just say
the circumstances of her two abortions in a relatively short time, had little
to do with the issue of the raped 14 year old girl. As far as I'm concerned 
she is not the right person to give constructive views 'pro' abortion. 

I have listened to her on many talk shows in Ireland and the U.S.A and every
time she just talks shite, she is merely a attention seeker who has let her
musical fame go right to her bald head.

The action of tearing up a picture of the Pope was mindless and childish
and serves no purpose other that to further polarize the differences between 
those who support the catholic church view on abortion rights and those who are
tirlessly fighting in support of Roe v. Wade here in the US, or those in
Ireland who are trying to get the abortion issue on the Constitutional
agenda. 

She should stick to singing and shut her mouth when she is not performing
unless she really has something constructive and thought provoking to say.

John

jk@spock.retix.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: misra@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: RE: Scottish Newsgroup
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:58:43 GMT

In a previous article, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) wrote:
>cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) wrote:
>> In article <james.719183614@wrs.com> james@wrs.com (James Moore) writes:
>>> I just called the US Department of Agriculture.  The basic rule is that
>>> meat imports depend on the disease status of a country, and currently
>>> you can't import any meat products from the UK.
>> Probably because of Mad Cow Disease, I suppose.  I seem to remember reading
>> recently that 60000 cows have now died of this.
> 
>While this might seem a rational reason for banning UK beef imports, no
>beef goes into haggis (nor are sheep fed on any of the stuff that causes
>BSE), and the US meat ban was *really* motivated by tit-for-tat; it's in
>response to the European ban on imports of US beef contaminated by bovine
>somatostatin (a growth hormone widely used over there to boost yield).
>
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (aka mad cow disease, or BSE) is thought to be
caused by the same agent that causes scrapie in sheep. So, it makes as much
sense to ban sheep-derived meat products as beef.

Pearse
>It's not obvious that the European ban was motivated by anything other than
>agripolitics, either; regulatory authorities on both sides of the Atlantic
>are primarily interested in protecting profits for producers, not the
>health of their consumers.
> 
>-- 
>--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
>17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
>INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: National Mod Oban 9th-16th October
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:12:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Oct8.161336.3018
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


Hi
	Is anyone else out there going to be at the National Mod in Oban?
I will be there from Thursday to Saturday next week, so perhaps we can
meet up.

Craig.

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