HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: u2112539@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: H WPA EPXETAI ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:05:25 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <kutluk.712327380@ccl.umist.ac.uk>, kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
> In <199207241147@AYTOKPATWP-PWMAIWN.Krypta.Agia-Sophia.Basileuousa.BYZANTION> Konstantinos-IA@Krypta.Agia-Sophia.Basileuousa.BYZANTION (konstantinos IA' Palaiologos) writes:
> 
> 
>>   Mutlu, your time is coming !  You and your like scum is going to swim in blood 
>>- your own blood - and the Holy City of Constantinople, the Queen of
> the Cities,                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> the " hope and joy of all the Greeks " is going to be Greek again !
> 
>>                         O MAPMAPWMENOC BACI/\HAC
>>                                      __
>>                      KWNCTANTINOC DPA| ACHC .
> 
> It is clear that the holy emperor was uninformed of the changes
> during his stay up in heavens. Or is it a typing mistake caused 
> by the extra finger ? Someone also has to tell the high one that
> to make Istanbul Greek the Greeks need to double their numbers
> up to 20 million. (the problem of the Greek race since the time
> of gods)
> 
> Kutluk
> 
> ps: But wait a minute, this can't be him, he'd never use the pagan word
> Greek but address his Romans. Obviously another false emperor. 

	You are pathetic mr Kutluk (does that mean cattle in Hindu ?) you are
replying to your own fake messages. Oh well to much no were to go in summer has
hit ya too hard. Just go back to writing Your gods (Mutilu) posts.
	Giorgis


Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas)
Subject: Re: ENVIRONMENT: Greeks buying ''cleane
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:15:54 GMT


In article <Jul21.014750.67002@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:
>><hrcoord@igc.org> writes:
>>
>>>one key measure, according to dermitzakis, is the introduction of
>>>a auto emissions card issued once a year after a vehicle passes a
>>>pollutant test.
>>
>>Once a year? This person is out of reality and he better needs
>>to count the number of cars in Athens.
>
>Denver has probably more cars and emission inspections are done once a
>year.

There is not enough equipment in Athens for inspecting cars more often than 
once every 5 years. there has been the institution of KTEO since years
and many of the 15 year old cars have _not_ been inspected _YET_.
Of course they can buy new equipment, but with the same money they could
buy some more buses and do their job better.

>>>converters render cars ten
>>>times less polluting, says konstantinos pattas, the professor in
>>
>>Ten times? Soon he is going to tell us that these cars do not need
>
>If I remember well, in the US, new cars may not produce more than a tenth
>of the CO and HC's (as a percentage of the exhaust gases) that the 1979
>models did.

But who speaks about 79 models? This comparison is not fair. 
I speak about _new_ models of motors without convertors.

>>If you add the horse power loss introduced by the converter,
>
>Engines can be made more efficient. Many catalytic cars deliver more
>horsepower at a lower gas consumption than their predecessors. Also,
>recently Honda has developed engines that require no converters.

I speak about motor models of 91-92. Models with convertor are _less_ efficient
since their compress rates are lower.

>>they should better improve the public media, so that
>>one WOULD _NEVER_NEED_ TO USE A CAR IN THE CENTER OF ATHENS.
>
>Some of us find driving pleasing :-)

In the center of Athens? all along Pavepistimiou street?
or Alexandras avenue? or Vas. Sofias? I'm glad I do not have
to drive there so often as I had to in the past :-)

Now I can enjoy driving far _out_of_Athens when on holidays...
In any case driving in a city does not need any particular skill
other than a tremendous amount of patience and time and adrenaline to spend :-)

Filippos Santas
From: STRIANTAFYLL%34985.gm@HAC2ARPA.HAC.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: re: I'm still alive MESSAGE FAKERY
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:05:03 GMT

Will the dweeb who faked the below mail have the guts to stand up?
I know who he is since few, if any, posts originate from wvnet to
soc.culture.greek. 

<Greek flame>

Filara, kopse tis malakies giati edw den einai kafeneio oute mpiliardadiko. 
Arketous malakes exoume edw, enas parapanw den xreiazetai. An den apanthseis
prwsopika qa steilw to munhma auto ston manager tou rhmadiou sou. 

Tetoies paparies kanoun oi diaforoi kai nomizoun oi loipoi oti eimaste
apolitistoi klp. DEN SE PAIRNEI.

<end of Greek flame>

Disgusted, 

The Real Spiros (TM)

Fake header galore follows:

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   From: STRIANTAFYLL%34985.gm@HAC2ARPA.HAC.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
   Subject: Re: I am still alive
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From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Questionnaire/Survey
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:45:40 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal



To whom it may concern,


In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 |If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you| 
 |qualify as a respondent.                                                |   
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you wish to receive a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message or provide me with a postal address. You should expect the
questionnaire to arrive via Canada Post within the week. 

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David H. Irwin

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
David H. Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca
University of Montreal
			<<Have a Nice Day>>
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From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 7 !
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


   Test apo Pikaifh ton Poulopnixtra,Tsimpoukolaryggostra,Tsoutsounoleugie ...
From: filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Tzenni Karezi died yesterday [in Greek]
Summary: Tzenni Karezi died on Jul. 27th, 1992
Keywords: Karezi, Greek cinema, Greek theatre
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:54:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek,bit.listserv.hellas
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

Simera, 28/7/92, diavasa stin <<Gazette>> tou Montreal pws mia megali
kiria tou ellinikou kinimatografou kai theatrou, i Tzeni Karezi,
pethane htes se ilikia 56 etwn.

Oi ermineies tis Tzenis Karezi se tainies opws <<Laterna, ftwhia kai
filotimo>> kai se theatrikes parastaseis opws i <<Mideia>> tha meinoun
axehastes.

I Tzeni Karezi, hronia sintrofos zwis tou Kwsta Kazakou afinei enan
gio, ton Kwnstantino.

As einai elafri to hwma pou tha tin skepasei.

Dimitris apo Montreal
From: niketas@MOZART.IFA.HAWAII.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:45:51 GMT


   Test. Just ignore.
From: Konstantinos-IA@Krypta.Agia-Sophia.Basileuousa.BYZANTION (konstantinos IA' Palaiologos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: H WPA EPXETAI ...
Summary: H BACI/\EYOYCA EINAI E/\/\HNIKH !
Keywords: ANACTACIC, KOKKINH MH/\IA, MOCXAPI, AIMA TOY MOYT/\OY .
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:11:59 GMT
Organization: BYZANTINH AYTOKPATOPIA ( ZEI KAI BACI/\EYEI ! )


   Mutlu, your time is coming !  You and your like scum is going to swim in blood 
- your own blood - and the Holy City of Constantinople, the Queen of the Cities,
 
 the " hope and joy of all the Greeks " is going to be Greek again !

                         O MAPMAPWMENOC BACI/\HAC
                                      __
                      KWNCTANTINOC DPA| ACHC .
From: perkon@girtab.usc.edu (Perikles Konstantinides)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Olympics and Mutlu
Date: 27 Jul 1992 11:05:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

The Olympics, Democracy, Philosophy, Theater, Poetry, Medicine....
Born in Olympia, Athens, Athens, Athens, Mytilini....

Every four years, in the greatest gathering the world has to offer,
the Greek contingent enters the stadium first and the Flame, which
was lit in western Pelloponese, lights the spirit of humanity.

Every four years, all civilized countries in this world, pay tribute
to an idea born in Athens, 2600 years ago, namely democracy and people
power.

Every time a doctor becomes eligible to practice medicine, he
invokes the Oath of Ippocrates.

Every time a philosopher starts an argument he feels compelled to
go back to where it all began: Plato and Aristotle.

And so many other instances of what little Greece has offered to the
whole world.

Little wonder Turkey has the inferiority complex that it has....
And the sight of Mikis Theodorakis and Agnes Baltsa singing an
hymn to freedom and the strive of humanity for better future must
have twisted Mutlu Inc.'s guts. Tough luck....

Perikles F. Konstantinides
University of Southern California



Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: programma agwnwn = Games program
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.231525.16693@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mghg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Hasan Gencturk) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.234628.14752@cs.yale.edu> tsioutsias-dimitris@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitris Tsioutsias) writes:
>>1. kserei kaneis to programma twn agwnwn apo to NBC? Poies wres tha
>>   deiksoun ta athlhmata me tous Ppakwsta kai Koukodhmo?
>>
>>2. Kala, tetoia porwsh me diafhmish den echw ksanadei! TI einai ayto to
>>   pragma me tis synexeis kai ektetamenes diakopes! Xtes to vrady den
>>   mporesa na eyxarisththw tipota. Agwnismata diarkeias 30min ta ekanan
>>   2 wres me tis diafhmiseis anamesa. Ellada kai pali Ellada, me 
>>   Kwstantara, Mamouzelo kai Thewdorakopoulo!
>>
>>
>>->dimitris
>>
>>
>Mr. Dimitris:
>	AS you may see this is sct, andd only a few (I suppose) know
>Greek Language. For the people, like me, who do not know Greek, could
>you please provide us with an English translation of your posting. If
>you do not intend to do so, could you please, stop posting in sct, if
>your posting is not written in Turkish or English.
>
>jonturk.
> 
	It possibly was a slip of the poster. From this account to post I have to
reply to an unrelated post and delete all information and fields. Sometmes
 I miss something as this netter might have. A quick translation is would anybody have the TV program to the olympics as well that he has never seen such a one
sided coverage of the Olympics (By NBC I think). They only are showing american
athletes and even ignoring winners to show the Americans in sorrow when loosing
	George
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: 'Gav*0', we can talk about your problems .
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:27:41 GMT


  You can call me whenever you want and talk to me about the (mostly)
psychological problems that seem to torture and lacerate your wretched soul.  
I know you need help, poor little Nick, you are just a big kid going through  
a phase of reinfantilescence, undergoing the consequences of a prolonged,
retarded Peter Pan syndrome. Don't hesitate to call me 'Gav*0', my friend ..
Yes, my friend .. I consider you my friend and I am willing to offer you all
the help you need so that you overcome the problems that haunt your thoughts.
   You can even come and visit me at my home in

   Geneva Street 8031, Woodridge,Illinois, 60516

   I will be glad to offer you professional help.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6905 soc.culture.turkish:8132
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Genetically Coded Behavior (was Re: FAKE MAILS ????)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:08:21 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <kutluk.712416753@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>
>Actually, most Turks are aware and to some extend proud of
>the fact that during the Ottoman Empire, the most successful,
>intelligent and productive portions of the constituent nations
>were assimilated by the establishment. 

Why the most intelligent, successful etc? I thought that Islamization
mostly concerned heavily discriminated overtaxed peasants.

In any case, an other way of looking at it is that the most "soft" and
least resistant, resilient and independent chose to be islamised (forget 
for now the forceful janissary child-taxation).

GR
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: July 20, 1974
Keywords: provincial and federal associations in Canada
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:12:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Jul20.173854.22578@walter.bellcore.com> cza@maestro.bellcore.com (Cengiz Akgun) writes:

>Today (7/20) is the birthday of the framework for that state.
>There is no bloodshed in that island in 18 years after the
>Greenline has been drawn.  Knowing the example in Bosnia,
>it shows the deep insight of Ecevit to order the "peace
>operation" after hearing Makarios speech in UN on July 19
>accusing Greece to put forward their plan which calls for
>union with Greece.  He offered Britain to fulfil their
>obligation next to Turkey as guarantors of Cyprous
>independence.  After getting a negative answer, he made Turkey
>to fulfil her obligations to her own brethern.  Turkey
>still fulfils her obligation to stay on the island until
>Turkish Cypriots feel to be secure in their house and (not only being
>assured by useless promises) being sure of not to have the same
>nightmare again that they faced before and Bosnian are living
>through today.  The mess in Cyprus is not the outcome of
>Turkish misdeeds and therefore, they do not have to pay the
>consequence of somebody else's mistakes.   18% population
[..]
So, under the same logic, whenever Greece finds an opportunity,
should attack Turkey, grab as much teritory as possible, kick
out any Turkish population, etc. And all this because, the
Greek refugees of Constantinople (1955) have not been allowed
back to their properties, with the appropriate compensations
and guarantees for their personal safety.

Armenians, Syrians, Kurds, Georgians and other "mountain" Turks
should behave accordingly.

Very indicative and thank you for it.

With all due respect.
--
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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: >Re: Library of Congress and Macedonia(n)
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:13:22 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul28.222529.11078@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
 > The boycott caused quite some feelings in The Netherlands.

Ah yes, but we survive.  As I mentioned before, at one stage it was proposed
to boycott Greek products, like the proposition of Pythagoras, but nothing
came from it.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 8 !
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:11:53 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


   Test apo Pikaifh ton Poulopnixtra,Tsimpoukolaryggostra,Tsoutsounoleugie ...
From: STRIANTAFYLL%34985.gm@HAC2ARPA.HAC.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: I am still alive
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:33:07 GMT

Yo folks,

I am not dead; just too busy geting ready for Spiros Jr. (or whatever). 
The network connection to our main host is down so I use the back door.

Just a few observations. Man, last few days half the messages are from
Mutlu and the other half from King Constantine, Kemal Ataturk, Alexander
the Great, Grand Vizir, Sophie Miao, etc. Is this what they say about
"Opposites Attracting?"....

I just saw a note from Ahmet Cosar coming from anatolia.mn.org. Was it a
fake or the guy is trying to out-Mutlu Mutlu? Can't he come up with a 
better name? Kinda like the bozo whose user id is ''turk''... Man...

For soc-culture-turkish netters in the Chicago area, I saw a Turkish 
restaurant called 'Ismir'on Clark and Foster on the north side. Any good?
We frequent Reza's, a Persian restaurant down the block from Ismir. Any
comments on it will be appreciated.

Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Is it just me or Hasan's postings look like good
old Hasan? For a while he mellowed out but now he's back in full force. 
YEA! 

Chicago Traffic Sucks. I can see why Hasan is so stressed out every day. 
First place I saw where if you have an accident on the highway you're
supposed to limp along to an "Accident Investigation Area". What a concept.
Like I said, no wonder Hasan is stressed out. Any contacts with the DMV
to find out what kind of car he drives? I'd guess a VW but I am too busy to
find out the hard wa (park on Geneva str, watch for car w/licence plate
"2.500.000 DEAD")... 

Would the bozo who fakes out messages cut it out? PLEASE. P L E A S E. 

At least only a few messages about Macedonia. Not bad. Congrats to Croatia
for their game. Why the Hell Greece is not there? (are they?)

The paper said there are 6 "Macedonians" (quotes mine) in the olympics 
but they did not let them march as a nation. There. (burp). 

And despite all the bad publicity Greece has been receiving overall
(Thanks Erland, Sacha, Hasan), this month's HOME magazine (necessity for
yuppie suburbanites) has quite a few pages dedicated to Aegean Architecture
including home design and decoration, furniture, history, etc. Also an
article about an interesting National Tourist Organization of Greece
program. Cool.

Alas, Aegean architecture is not my taste. All the furniture in the 
King Tri* palace is Scandinavian (Support your local Erland). Real 
spiffy stuff though. 

And while on Scandinavians. A Swedish novelty store is right across the two
restaurants I mentioned above in Chicago. In its display (loaded with lots
of lovely crafts & other items), I saw a T-shirt saying (could someone
please explain)

   "You can tell a Swede but you can't tell him much"

Spiros
(currently on vacation)
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Hakanita haskopoustara....
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:11:38 GMT

Hakan, hakanito, hakanokolito... you werent laughing the other night
when my good friend Dimitris Karakolis called you at the number you
published here at this net... you were nervous, mad, irrational...

You even said that he had called the wrong number.... tsk tsk tsk...
you tried to avoid him and get off the hook easy... bad boy hakanito
dirty-assholito...

... tell you what.... since you seem to be bothered by the phone 
calls so much, I'll tell Dimitris not to call you again.... 
so early that is :-) 

Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Macedonia in English-language press
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:08:31 GMT

A couple of days I posted:
)Philip Santas (santas@inf.ethz.ch) writes:
))Erland Sommarskog (sommar@enea.se) writes:
)))Name one single English-language (and not Greek-based) newspaper
)))which uses "Skopian" instead of "Macedonian".
))
))Do you think that newspapers deal with your 'republic'?
))Name one english newspaper that uses just Macedonia for describing this place.
)
)You didn't comply with my request.
)
)Myself, I was a bit in trouble, since I rarely read English-speaking
)newspapers. Fortunately I was saved by Sacha Shopov who posted an
)article from the Australian "The Age", which said "Republic of
)Macedonia" several times, and "Skopje" no times.
)
)From the Swedish perspective there is "Macedonia" all over the place.
)In one article I saw the other day on how Albanians are fleeing Kosovo,
)it was mentioned that some managed to get to "Skopje in Makedonia".
)(And not "Skopje in Skopje".)
)
)What does the Swiss press say. Skopje? I don't think so.


I notice that Philip Santas has still not managed to present an English-
speaking newspaper which uses "Skopje" to designate the republic of
Macedonia. Or Swiss one for that matter.

On my side I can present two more datas. One was posted to this
newsgroup. Also, I happened to buy The Independent of July 14th,
and sure enough there it was: "Macedonia" and nothing else in a
passage. Unfortunately I cannot quote it, since I left my copy 
on the hotel room in Klaipeda.

Greece maybe able to veto the EC governments, but not the newspapers.
We have a free press, you know.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Dabras Laiks!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek