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From: shane@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Shane Brown)
Subject: Re: Boxing and Kicks
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of Queensland. Oz.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:18:43 GMT

      With all this discussion of Boxing as an MA, feets against
fists, etc. etc. I thought people would be interested in a little
factual tidbit I noticed in an issue of "Inside Kung-Fu" (August).
     It details how Don "The Dragon" Wilson went up against the
11th world-ranked boxer Art Jimmerson in 1987, and won when 
Jimmerson threw in the towel in round 5 after having been knocked
down 4 times. It has a picture of Jimmerson getting tagged
by a nice kick to the inside of the thigh (you guessed it,
a low line kick), and I bet there were a fair few of these 
used during the fight.
     Now, the mag rates Wilson as the best kickboxer of all
time, while Jimmerson was the 11th ranked boxer. However Jimmerson 
a year later, "narrowly lost a decision to light-heavyweight
boxing world champion Dennis Andres". So, neither man was an
amateur.
     This is not a "so there, boxing IS inferior" post. This is
a "more information for everyone" post. With regards to the Martial
Arts Genie, I would opt for Greenoch's "power of extreme non-verbal
persuasion" kata #6a. Ooops, that wasn't the G word..... I was
just clearing my throat. Really.

<Knock Knock Knock> 

gotta go, there's someone at the door......

    

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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: What happens when you cross styles? 
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Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:32:59 +0000


In article <10692@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu writes:

>
>
>I've heard of an obscure Southern Chinese system called Tao Chi Chuan
>that is distinct from T'ai Chi Chuan. Do you mean Tao Chi or Taiji?
>Could you elaborate a bit if it is Tao Chi Chuan?
>
>
Tao Chi Chuan, this was taught by Dr Richard Chan in 1936-40 to
a number of Europeans, one of whom was my father.  I was suprised
to read you describe it as an obscure Southern Chinese system, as
the impression I got from my Taffy Jones (who also learnt it from
Dr Chan) and my father was that Dr Chan had developed the system.

Essentially the system is strongly based on Chin Na techniques,
combined with Atemi moves which require a high degree of anatomical
knowledge.

Nigel


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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Internal Arts...
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:55:55 GMT


i often hear t'ai chi, bagua and hsing-i (xingyi?) in the same sentence. 
is there a lot of similarity in these three arts?
what is the main concept behind each of them?

thanks,

mukund
From: rcollins@cs.umass.edu (Bob Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Keywords: movies
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: RCollins@cs.umass.edu
Organization: CS Dept, UMass at Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A new Japanese movie called "Sumo Do, Sumo Don't" is pretty good.
I saw it at a foreign film festival in Montreal last week, so I 
don't know when or if it will be released.  It is a comedy about
university-level sumo wrestling in Japan.

Question - have there ever been any films made about Judokas?

  --Bob Collins
  --RCollins@cs.umass.edu
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From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:54:59 CDT

In article <1992Sep11.165903.10842@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>In article <BuF0qw.3BD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>>Andy V. seems to agree with Bobby Knight's statement that sometimes
>>women should just "lay back and enjoy it", rape that is. 
>
>
>Hunh? Did I miss something? I don't remember Bobby Knight's post
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                               : 
Yes, I'm replying to my own post.    ..........:  
     Okay, so I'm an idiot. I plead jet lag.

-Lauren


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From: jose@auvax1
Subject: USA Goju in NY
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:01:15 GMT

	U.S.A (Urben System of America) Goju Karate School opening up in New
York.

	For more information, please contact me through e-mail.  

Thank You,
Jose


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				A Martial Artist is
				Always
				Humble and Polite
				but
				Ferocious in Combat

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From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Starting Martial Arts...
Date: 8 Sep 1992 01:08:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hi! I live in cleveland and I'm thinking of starting martial arts.
I want an art that is not pure offense or pure defense. I would like
to use my full body not just my hands or my feet. Could some people
send me their opinion as to what I should take? Thanks...
CW
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Power and Internal MA (Re: Boxing and Kicks)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:42:11 GMT

In article <SCHAN.92Sep9104622@birch.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan) writes:
>   By the way, alot of "real" martial arts (most of the internal ones
>   I know of)

>	"Real" as in the "real seal"? As in milk? As in dairy product? As in
>cream? As in whipped cream? As in "dessert topping"?

I was replying to a post that stated a boxer would easily loose to
a "real martial artist", bcause the later would use kicks.

I ment to suggest, by putting the word in quotes, that I didn't
exactly agree with that term's use.

>   don't use kicks much at all. Those they do use, tend to
>   be low and cover only a short distance. This gives up alot of the
>   power of other types of kicking, in exchange for better control.

>	I think that you end up with the same power, but it much harder to
>develop the internal style power generation - my exposure to internal systems
>seems to emphasize late commitment, and generating power in the smallest
>possible movement...
>...Power is sacrificed in the
>beginning so that you have a much more "inscrutable" method of generating it
>later on.

I guess I was the wrong term. By "power" I was think more in terms of
direct muscle force. A good internal martial artist can do just as
much damage with a strike, but without applying n-hundred pounds of
force.

                                         Frank Crary
                                         CU Boulder

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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 SEP 92 11:07:41    


In article <3632@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes...

>In article <12510007@hplsla.hp.com> natalies@hplsla.hp.com (Natalie Schuchard) writes:
>>- M.M. concentrates on ground defenses, since virtually all rape victims
>>end up on the ground. This works for the woman's advantage, since the 
>>ground is her strongest position if she knows how to use it. In a woman's 
>>body, her strength is concentrated in her hips (as opposed to the upper 
>>body in a man.)
> 
>	I'm not sure I understand this.  If I was a lighter person with
>less upper body strength the very last place I'd want to be is in a
>ground fight.  I understand teaching _anyone_ how to work on the ground,
>but I don't understand the "ground is her strongest position" part at all.
> 

I had some thoughts on this, too.

The first reason, that they may be ambushed, and taken to the ground
by surprise, was mentioned.  There is another, strategic reason,
I can think of.

There's a paradox in women's self defense.  Typcially being on the
disadvantaged side of the classic mismatch (being both shorter of limbs
and less physically powerful in most cases), women (especially non-martial
artists) who want to train to defend themselves to fight hand-to-hand can't 
stress outfighting entirely because they'll be at the disadvantage due to 
their shorter arms, and they can't stress infighting, because their lesser
physical strength becomes a problem.  All that's left is surprise, skillful
indirect flank attacks, superior ability to seize the initiative, and
superior positioning.  

If it comes down to a knock down drag out, and
the aggressor is very persistent, and not taken by surprise by the counter
attack, the woman may have to resort to either moving in and out of range
with harrassing tactics until help comes or the attacker loses interest
(unlikely unless she is pretty highly trained in some martial arts form)
or going to the ground, where it is more difficult to get a hold of her or
hit her effectively (re: Ali vs. Inoki, and other similar matches).  

Another classic tactic is going to the ground and rolling under a 
(PARKED) vehicle, where it is very difficult to get a hold of someone
or hit them, although they are obviously pretty well trapped.
Trading mobility for protection is a desperation measure, but it often
works, especially in an urban situation.

							kind regards,
							todd


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From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Re: Boxing and Kicks
Organization: Society to Prevent Proton Decay
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:53:06 GMT

In article <091092182232dude@losers.hacktic.nl> dude@losers.hacktic.nl writes:

    I'm not a boxer myself, but i've trained with them on occasions. The big 
    difference between boxers in general(!) and MA in general, is that boxers
    have an agressive attitude. 

Lots of MA'ists hit hard and have agressive attitiudes. I know this
from my personal experience (ow !). They're not all new age refugees,
like me.




--
Bernie Simon				This isn't science,
(bsimon@stsci.edu)			this is sheer madness!
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chinese yoga?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 08:31:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:

  +The local YMCA here offers "Chinese Yoga."  I've never about it
  +before.  Do any of you know anything about it?  Does anyone do it?
  +The blurb said the instructor has 16 years experience in Chinese
  +martial arts.  I wonder if it could be chi gung with another name.

Hmmmm.....I wonder how strict it is.  From what little I know of
Chinese Yoga, here goes.  Chinese Yoga is also referred to by its
Chinese name Dao-Yin.  Strictly speaking, its objective is to seek
immortality.  Failing which the practice (also referred to as
spiritual alchemy) promises to prolong life and improve health.

Generally speaking, chi kung practices are employed in the context
of Dao Yin and many of the same principles apply to both.  From what
I can tell, it looks like Dao Yin was an approach to life and is
essentially a religion practice.  The principles behind it and some
of the chi kungs that developed from it form the basis of much chi
kung exercises today (many with different objectives such as aiding
in the martial arts but some with similar objectives of prolonging
life).

The rise of the internal martial systems such as T'ai Chi Ch'uan is
believed by many to have arisen from a merging of the hard, extrinsic 
systems (probably Shaolin) with the practices of Dao Yin.

A book that I have seen is Charles Luk's entitled _Taoist Yoga_. Ni
Hua Ching also has several books on this topic (you can find Ching's
and others in Wayfarer).

Most of the exercises are heavy on breathing and mental visualization
exercises, similar to some Indian yogas (e.g., Kundalini).

I note from the back cover of Luk's book, it says:

  "The teachings contained herein have been preserved for the
   last 47 centuries ... [all] can benefit from the techniques
   of transforming sexual energy into heightened spiritual
   consciousness."

So, based on this comment, I'd tend think that strict Chinese Yoga 
isn't for everybody.  As it turns out, my guess on what you'll find
is probably a series of chi kung exercises.  Any good?  Only one way
to find out I guess.  It could be interesting to see what sorts of
exercises he has and what his aims are, but well, whatever.


Terry Chan
--
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory                    Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
"[PBS viewers] are affluent, highly educated, the movers and shakers, the
 socially conscious and the well-informed.  What about the rest of us?"
                                      -- U.S. Senator Robert Dole
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: What happens when you cross styles? 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:48:34 +0000


In article <10727@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu writes:

>
>In article <716252945snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel> G. Backhurst") writes:
>>In article <10692@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu writes:
>>>I've heard of an obscure Southern Chinese system called Tao Chi Chuan
>>Tao Chi Chuan, this was taught by Dr Richard Chan in 1936-40 to
>>a number of Europeans, one of whom was my father.  I was suprised
>>to read you describe it as an obscure Southern Chinese system, as
>>the impression I got from my Taffy Jones (who also learnt it from
>>Dr Chan) and my father was that Dr Chan had developed the system.
>
>Didn't mean to imply any disrespect by the use of the term 'obscure'! It
>seems that way from my perspective, because I've never met anyone else
>who'd ever heard of it. I have a small manual from this style that
>details the 18 fists they use and the particular applications for them.
>
My suprise at your use of the term obscure was not that I was taking
it to be disrespect but that you refereed to it as a Southern Chinese
system.  Dr Richard Chan was a Anglo/Chinese Malay.  My understanding
of Tao Chi Chuan was that it had beed developed by Dr Chan to teach
to a group of Europeans who were working with him.  My father informed
me that he emphasised to them that this was not `traditional Chinese
art'.  So to come across a reference to it as a Southern Chinese
System, suprised me.



>>Essentially the system is strongly based on Chin Na techniques,
>>combined with Atemi moves which require a high degree of anatomical
>>knowledge.
>
>Sounds interesting! More, more, we want to hear more!
>
The one set of techniques consists of a series of locks, throws and
holds which are very similar to those found in Chin Na and Ju Jitsu.
There is combined with this a set of strikes which tend to be used
in two ways.  First as a distraction technique as you are going a
lock or throw.  Second, as a disabling blow after a throw.  In this
later form they tend to be directed at `vital points' and there is
a specific `fist' to be used for each target.  These can seem at
first to be arbitary, but when one looks into the fist target
relationship one finds it makes sense.

I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the manual, as I
was not aware of its existance.

Nigel


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From: pipkinsj@cpqhou.compaq.com (Jeff Pipkins )
Subject: Re: Attitudes (wasRe- Silent or...)
Reply-To: pipkinsj@cpqhou.UUCP (Jeff Pipkins )
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:37:54 GMT

From Go Rin No Sho, in the Fire book, Musashi says:


	The Three Shouts

	The three shouts are divided thus: before, during, and after.
	Shout according to the situation.  The voice is a thing of life.
	We shout against fires and so on, against the wind and the waves.
	The voice shows energy.

	In large-scale strategy, at the start of battle we shout as loudly
	as possible.  During the fight, the voice is low-pitched, shouting
	as we attack.  After the contest, we shout in the wake of our
	victory.  These are the three shouts.

	In single combat, we make as if to cut and shout "EI!" at the same
	time to disturb the enemy, then in the wake of our shout we cut
	with the long sword.  We shout after we have cutdown the enemy--
	this is to announce victory.  This is called "sen go no koe"
	(before and after voice).  We do not shout simultaneously with
	flourishing the long sword.  We shout during the fight to get
	into rythm.  Research this deeply.


Kensei leaves interpretation and mastery of the above as an exercise
for the reader...


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From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: Ninja Trap GIF PLANS on WuAchives
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:13:48 GMT



Hi.  I'm just writing to tell you that there are now some ninja
trap GIF files on WuArchives (128.252.135.4)
Their names are "ninja1.gif" and "tiger.gif"  Try checking in the
directories /graphics/gif/Incoming
            /graphics/gif/n
            /graphics/gif/t

That's all for now...see ya!

- Rich
  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu


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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Looking for school of an internal style of MA in Houston
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:56:50 GMT
Organization: hah!
Summary: 	-=-=-< a suggestion >-=-=-
Followup-To: 	alright... ya'got me.... send it here.
Keywords: 	-=-=-< per your request...>-=-=-
Cc: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com

In article <1992Sep9.160223.22260@hou.amoco.com> zwbm07@hou.amoco.com writes:

>Does anyone have any suggestions for a school whose philosophy is such
>that it stays out of politics, emphasizes inflicting as little or as much damage
>as is necessary for the given situation, studies pressure points, throws, grabs,
>strikes and kicks? 
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>---
>TTYL & TANSTAAFL ---------------- Walter Moore 
>      Internet: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com
>
>..SCUBA divers do it with depth...blub...blub...blub...
>

	i might recommend Sifu Jeff Bolt.  he has been studying chinese
martial arts for around 17 years.  he has studied Northern Long Fist, Southern
White Crane Kung Fu styles, and Yang style T'ai Chi Ch'uan from his teacher,
Yang Jwing-Ming (both he and his teacher are rather well known and highly
respected, and i was just at his tournament in orlando, this last weekend,
and had many oportunities to talk with both of them!)
	Sifu Jeff Bolt is the founder and director of the U.S. National
Chinese Martial Arts Competition (now re-located this year, to orlando)
and is 'inside kung fu' magazine's hall of fame for outstanding martial arts
promotion, has co-authored two books on chinese martial arts with Sifu Yang
Jwing-Ming, and has served as the U.S. team fighting coach at the first world
wu shu competitions last year, in beijing, china.
	he is an engineer, living in houston (yeah texas!) and the director of
the Houston Institute of Chinese Martial Arts and Medicine, where he is joined
by Grandmaster Wang Jurong and Dr. Wu Cheng De.
	he is also a suporter of NACMAF, and is a really nice guy, and quite
approachable and pleasant person.  
	you are more than welcome to tell him that one of Sifu Tai Yim's 
students recommended you check him out....*smile*
	i hope this has been moderately useful.....
	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	and, as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	"presidential elections are planned distractions
	 to divert attention from the actions behind the scenes....
	 like a game of chess when the house is a mess, or
	 a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble,
	 or a football game when there's rioting in the street!

	 it's just another movie.....  another song and dance.....
	 another poor sucker who never had a chance!
	 it's just another captain goin' down with his ship.....
	 it's just another jerk, taking pride in his work!

				       greetings from timbuck three!

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From: khc2674@summa.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd)
Subject: Re: New Movies...
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.160429.14573@ncsu.edu>, jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes...
> 
> 
>I don't know what style B.L. studies, but I do remember a reaction I
>had to SHOWDOWN when I rented the tape.  It's the scene in Dolph's pad
>in the country, with the yakuza surrounding them and the girl - Brandon 
>turns to Dolph and says (paraphrased) "If we don't make it through this,
>I want you to know that you have the biggest dick I have ever seen on a man."
> 
>I promptly fell out my seat laughing hysterically at this smidgen of dialogue.
>I had to rewind the tape a bit because I laughed through the next two minutes
>of the movie.
> 
>Mitch ----------------------> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu

How about the part where he says a manner reminiscent of Daffy Duck,
"...and we'll go back and eat sushi off those naked chicks."

Kuo Hau Chang  :)            7-star Praying Mantis            (:
Texas A&M      :)                Moi-Fah Mantis               (:
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