From: jbatka@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Idea for verifying Ying's probability fusion theory
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:23:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Jul23.122340.3064
Organization: Wright State University

> 
>>With 1:1 Pd:D loading, atomic separation is about 1.7 angstroms, per one of 
>>(?Frank Close?)'s postings.
> 
>>Atomic separation of D2 should be roughly the same as for H2, or about 0.74 
>>angstroms.
> 
> and
> 
> In article <1992Jul22.182608.24724@ns.network.com>, logajan@ns.network.com
> (John Logajan) writes:
>> In article <22JUL199212352997@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> edwlt12@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MIKE JAMISON) writes:
>>>With 1:1 Pd:D loading, atomic separation is about 1.7 angstroms
>>>Atomic separation of D2 should be roughly the same as for H2, or about 0.74 
>>>angstroms.
>>>Hence, in liquified D2, the probability for fusion should be at least 2 
>>>times greater than it is for a PdD cell
>> 
>> Hmmm.  You have the average seperation of D2 to D2, no?  In a gas or even
>> in a liquid this is probably much greater than the 1.7 average for Pd:D.
>> The liquid D2 is lumpier, but on the average much more dilute, no?  Which
>> is the more important value, the average of the lumpiness, or the lumps?
>> 
>> And, something I should know after all this time, but are the D's in the
>> Pd lattice mono or do they still hang around together?
> 
> If I remember my numbers correctly, the d-d separation in D2 gas is 0.72 A,
> and in PdD it is about 4.2 A. This was one of the early "proofs" by physicists
> that cnf is impossible. It falls down on the possibility (accepted by some
> knowledgable people) that the PdD crystal environment has some special
> properties to enhance fusion rates. I wouldn't know. Are Schwinger and
> Hagelstein senile and non compos, respectively? We must not go by authority, it
> is said, but inevitably we do. Frank Close and Huizenga are authorities, too,
> and they flatly deny the possibility of such special solid state effects.

Just some points of interest concerning this thread.

First on the atomic seperation issue:  The seperation of the D in the
PdD lattice is due to the D occupying the interstitial sites of the Pd
crystal.  IF two Ds were forced into a single interstitial site would
the resultant forces create a void in the Pd crystal or 'squish' the
Ds together?  Also in a metal crystal some of the Pd electrons swim
through the crystal not bound to any single atom.  Is it possible that 
the D electrons do the same?  If so couldn't several electrons in the
vicinity of the Ds under the compressive load help reduce the electro-
magnetic forces keeping them apart?

Tell you what, let me get out my metallurgy book and do some 
calculations.




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