HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sloane@tss.com (Gary Sloane)
Subject: Re: FrameMaker license server question
Reply-To: sloane@tss.com (Gary Sloane)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:15:59 GMT

Ruben Linder writes:

> Is there a way to use FrameMaker on a SGI with a SUN based license server ?

To run FM remotely:

	1.	rlogin to a Sun on your local network
	2.	setenv DISPLAY <yourmachinename>:0
	3.	start maker from the remote shell on the Sun

I'm currently running FM remotely from a Sun/4, using my IBM RS6000
as a dumb X terminal.  There should be no reason why you can't do that
with an IRIS if both machines are running X windows.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: What is the latest version of frame ?
Organization: SETT Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:00:16 GMT


We seem to be having some difference in opinion with Frame sales 
department. We are using Frame3.0X. I heard Frame 3.1X has been 
released. Frame tells me only the openlook and PC version is released
but not the X version. Is this true ? We are using Frame on
our Solbournes with X11R4.

Please respond by email only.


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B.G. Mahesh
mahesh@evb.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: Word 5 -> Frame filter wanted.........
Reply-To: mahesh@evb.com
Organization: SETT Inc.
Affiliate-Of: EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:56:42 GMT

I know there is a word2mif filter which converts Word 4.0 to MIF.
I have many Word 5.0 documents to be converted to Frame. Is such
a filter available ?

-- 

B.G. Mahesh
mahesh@evb.com
From: Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca (Mike Dustan)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,bnr.text.frame
Subject: Re: Glossary building suggestions, anyone?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:24:44 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
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X-Xxdate: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:24:39 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7

In article <1992Aug06.124007.9280@bnr.ca> Paul Boudreaux, paulbx@bnr.ca
writes:
>Does anyone have a suggestion on how to build a glossary?  I want to 
>build a glossary of technical terms and acronyms as I am writing a 
>design document.  However, the method I am using requires that I scroll
>through my glossary appendix window to the approiate alphabetical place
>before entering my new term.  I would like to be able to enter the 
>terms in any order and then sort them alphabetically when I'm done.

The way I do it (and I have a good-sized glossary) is to create a special
Index. I insert markers of type Glossary (that's why they exist, right?)
looking like:

Obscure Term:nice clear explanation of term

These are limited to 255 characters, probably because of some internal
Frame limit, but you can get quite a lot in that much space. I usually
put the markers nearby the discussion of the term for  convenience. I
then generate a Standard Index but change the suffix to GLO (so it
doesn't wipe out my existing IX) and include markers of type Glossary.
The whole thing comes out nicely sorted, but includes page numbers by
default. Remove these by editing the stuff on the Reference pages to
remove <$pagenum>. Tweak the format of the file until you like it and
regenerate.

You could leave the page numbers in for your proofreading copy so you can
find your markers easily.

Cheers
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: Where can I get word2mif ?
Organization: SETT Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:58:43 GMT


I have the "FrameMaker Filters" document with me. I was
trying to download word2mif filter from procyon.cis.ksu.edu and 
sunbane.engrg.uwo.ca. But I don't find these filters on these
two sites ?

Where can I get this filter ?

Please respond by email only.

thanks


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B.G. Mahesh
mahesh@evb.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Re: brochure formatting help
Keywords: interposition
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:15:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.170205.7647@mks.com> fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.160627.6874@crd.ge.com> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr) writes:
>>i have to produce a brochure in frame. the number of
>>pages is uncertain at this time but i estimate that the
>>thing will be about 16 panels, perhaps a bit more. the
>>output i need is that which you'd get taking an 8.5" x
>>11" page, rotating it on it's side and folding it, with
>>the total job being at least 4 folded 8.5" x 11" pages.

[Fred Kratky suggests two documents, one 5.5 x 8.5, the other 11 x 8.5,
and copying all the elements from each page in the little one to the
appropriate place in the big one.]

This technique works (I used to use it) but it has a couple of
disadvantages.  The biggest problem is that when you copy and paste
text columns, the pasted text column loses all connection to the
others.  This can ruin your formatting if you have any paragraphs that
begin in one text column and end in another, or if you use any
autonumbering that spans text columns.  

To avoid these problems I modified this technique.  Instead of making
the big document completely blank and copying the little document's
text columns to it, I make the big document with a series of empty text
columns connected in the appropriate order.  Then I select all the TEXT
in the little document and paste it into the big one.

To make my technique work, you have to have just one text flow that
runs all the way through the document.  Every page has to have the same
basic layout, and you have to use anchored frames for graphics.  But if
you later have another brochure with the same page format and number of
pages, you can re-use the big document.

Unfortunately, you still have to do page numbers by hand, which means
you can't use cross-references or generate an index or table of
contents.  I have submitted an enhancement request to Frame asking for
more help in preparing brochures, but I don't think it's likely to be
forthcoming.

There's one other solution: if you're working on a Mac, get DynoPage.
It does exactly what you need and more.  I couldn't do this because I
needed a solution that would work on both Macs and UNIX.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "Fo'tunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency."
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Subject: Printing text-only files to disk
Reply-To: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:37:54 GMT


Does anyone know of a way to print a file to a disk as plain text?
Many word processing programs allow you to do this in the same
way you create a postscript file.  This is different from simply
saving the file as ASCII, since printing to disk also includes
headers and footers, page numbers, etc., and puts an appropriate
number of spaces in front of centered text, indented text, etc.

Frame tech support claims never to have heard of such a thing.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Scott Stark
sstark@ingres.com

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: daveb@slc.com (David Barnes)
Subject: Re: Drawing dashed lines
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.154129.1455@informix.com> cortesi@informix.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.084632.5078@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton  
>Koelman) writes:
>> 
>> How do I draw dashed lines (3.0, NeXT)
>> I hope it can be done...
>
>To a small extent. Select the line and then in the tools
>window, select a "Pen" color that is a striped texture.
>
>This is the nearest approximation to a dashed line. It is
>not really very good.  You can make it work if your lines are
>all at multiples of 45 degrees; however you must use a
>different stripe pattern for each angle of line.

Also, be warned that if you rotate your artwork the pen stripes do not
rotate with their lines.  Thus, with 90-degree rotation, perpendicular
stripes become parallel, ruining the effect. Workarounds: anticipate
the final orientation of the line and select the stripe pattern
accordingly, or use 45-degree stripes.

Those who need complex graphics use third-party tools.  For those of
us who can live with box-and-arrow diagrams, Frame's graphic tool is
adequate in other respects.  However, I should think the lack of
support for line styles would be a bit embarrassing to Frame.
Definitely a weak spot.
From: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,pki.frame
Subject: Motif FrameMaker X.3.0.2 / Position of Icons
Date: 12 Aug 92 07:45:29 GMT

It seems that the Motif FrameMaker does not store the position of
the closed document icons together with the documents. It would be
nice to manipulate these coordinates so that, for example, all
documents of a book appear properly ordered at a defined position.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Hans-Juergen



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From: bwise@hemlock.mitre.org (Barry Wise)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Problem with connecting flows
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:47:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Aug19.132228.9346@brtph560.bnr.ca> trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice  
P885) writes:
> Gotta good one here:
> 
> I have a document which is restarting paragraph numbering in the
> middle of the document.  After viewing the special characters I 
> found the "curly-S-section-thingy" meaning end of flow.       
> 
> I aha I said, connect the two flows.  Easy right?  Wrong.  
> 
> All lines of the document claim to be in flow A. I cant select the two
> areas.  The document acts as if it were 2 documents appended to each other
> with a definite end of document where the problem is occurring.
> 

I don't understand why Frame does this but try connecting the two columns. That  
seems to work, but make sure you get them in the right order or your text will  
'back up' in the document.

--
Barry Wise
(bwise@hemlock.mitre.org)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Subject: Re: **HELP with Page Numbers in TOCs**
Reply-To: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163829.8191@mlb.semi.harris.com> kcr@deneb.mlb.semi.harris.com (Keighley Ross) writes:
>
>What you can do to make this easier is to keep the bookfile in MIF
>format, which is easily edited with a text editor.  In particular, I
>now use the m4 macro processor so:
>
>changequote([,])<Book 2.0> # Macros for creating book files
>
>define(DOC,<BookComponent
> <FileName `<c\>$1.doc<U\>$1.doc'>
> <StartPageSide StartRightSide>
> <PageNumbering Restart >
> <PgfNumbering Continue >
> <PageNumPrefix `$2-'>

Just a quick note here -- when entering prefixes in a MIF file, I'd 
suggest replacing the hyphen character with the character string:

	\x15

(with a space after the number '5'), so that your line would actually
read:

  <PageNumPrefix `$2\x15 '>

This will insert a non-breaking hyphen character in the prefix, which
will keep your page number entries in the TOC and index from breaking
at the hyphen, should they appear near the end of a line.

Scott Stark
sstark@ingres.com
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:18:22 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Aug20.140927.19097@mail.cornell.edu>, Ray-
Zimmerman@cornell.edu (Ray Zimmerman) writes:
> Anyone gotten this to work on a Mac?  I've got FrameMaker 3.0 on a
> Mac IIci and haven't been able to get it to work at all.

I tried it on my MAC II ci and it didn't work either.  It used to work
on my Sun 3/80 and later on a Sun 4/75...

Tom I want my SPARC back Pickett

Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6B920F3E601E0B5@ziklag.ee.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15: 14:11 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rz10@cornell.edu
Organization: Electrical Engineering, Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.145223.20109@esd.dl.nec.com> Russell Gilbert,
gilbert@esd.dl.nec.com writes:
>From article <1992Aug17.180326.10584@SSD.intel.com>, by
davidl@ssd.intel.com 
>(David Levine):
>> In article <1992Aug14.111156.16780@eua.ericsson.se>
euakan@eua.ericsson.se 
>(Theo.Kanter) writes:
>>>In FrameMaker 3.0 I would like to be able rotate Objects any nymber of 
>>>degrees. Not just 90 degrees. This works for lines by dragging the
ends 
>>>around, but is there some function which allows one to rotate objects
by
>>>an arbitrary number of degrees?
>> 
>> Use the following key sequences:
>> 
>> 	<Esc> g x : RotateObjectEXactlyByTypingInAngle
>> 	<Esc> g i : RotateObjectInteractivelyByMousing
>> 
>> This used to be an undocumented feature (<Esc> x x 1 and <Esc> x x 2),
but 
>> now I think it's documented.  It doesn't work on all object types...
for
>> example, I think you can't rotate text, grouped objects, or polygons.
>
>According to the help text...
>
>"Works on a line, rectangle, polyline, polygon, or freehand curve."

Anyone gotten this to work on a Mac?  I've got FrameMaker 3.0 on a
Mac IIci and haven't been able to get it to work at all.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ulz01@teal.csn.org (Lei Zhu)
Subject: Controlling Page Numbering
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:09:57 GMT



Frame is a nice application, but it surprises me sometimes when something
that seems rather obvious isn't available.  This appears to be the case
with page numbering (although I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised...)

Frame doesn't appear to give you much control over page numbering.  We
are getting a document ready for the printer, and we need to add filler
pages so each section will start with a right page.

This is nice and easy to do by changing the "heading" format to "Start
at top of right page", BUT... this also sticks extra pages in.  And since
we're numbering sequentially, this also throws the page numbering off.  
Our style guide says that the "filler" pages shouldn't count for the
page numbering.

My first thought was, "no problem, I'll just tell Frame to ingore the
filler pages when numbering <This MUST be in there somewhere, mustn't it?>"
Imagine my surprise when it wasn't. 

My second thought was, "no problem, then I'll just go through by hand and
reset the page number back one after each filler page.  THIS must be 
available in Frame somewhere, right?"  Wrong....

So any thoughts on this?  Quick replies would be helpful (we're getting this
out today) but I suspect I'm going to do this document the hard way.  It
would be nice to know for future documents, tho.

Steven J. Owens
(posting from a co-worker's account, because of some link problems...)
From: nyp00@cd.amdahl.com (Nicholas Y. Pang)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Converting Book to Document?
Keywords: framemaker book document
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:08:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Is there a utility or simple way to convert a document written as a book into
one long document?

I am putting together a "Book of Books" and would like to convert the later to
long documents so I can use the book facilities in the final book.

Any help appreciated!!!

-----------------------------------------------------
Nicholas Pang         nyp00@cd.amdahl.com       
Amdahl Corporation    nyp00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com 
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky)
Subject: Re: brochure formatting help
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:02:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.160627.6874@crd.ge.com> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr) writes:
>i have to produce a brochure in frame. the number of
>pages is uncertain at this time but i estimate that the
>thing will be about 16 panels, perhaps a bit more. the
>output i need is that which you'd get taking an 8.5" x
>11" page, rotating it on it's side and folding it, with
>the total job being at least 4 folded 8.5" x 11" pages.
>
I produce a monthly newsletter with this format.  Because the
juxtaposition of page numbers on an 8.5 x 11 sheet changes depending on
the final number of pages for each issue, I use 2 different frame
documents to get the job done.

The first is 5.5 x 8.5 to match the final page side.  This document
contains all the page and paragraph formats I use.  I use this document
to produce my pages.  Once I have all final copy and have produced my
pages, I figure out which pages match up.

I then open the second document that is 11 x 8.5 (oposite the normal
dimensions of a page).  This document contains all running footers and
headers, which - with the exception of page numbers - are the same on
every page.  The elements on each page are grouped, and the
page is copied from the first document to the second so that the 2
correct pages are on each 11 x 8.5 sheet.

Page numbers are generated manually (because they are different for each
issue).

the cut and paste for final layout takes about 15 minutes once you know
what you are doing.

I don't know if this is the best solution, but it works for me.
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From: lsingh@engr.UVic.CA (Lakhwinder  Singh)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: bibliography
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:34:46 GMT
Reply-To: lsingh@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

I am writing up a list of researchers I have referenced in my paper.
They are not in alphabetical order. Is there a cmd. which allows
me to sort this list (or paragraphs) by the first letter.
help would be appreciated.

Thank you. 
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: denis@csi.on.ca (Denis Proulx)
Subject: FrameMaker (Viewer) Hypertext On-line Help.
Organization: Carp Systems International
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:18:02 GMT


Using FrameMaker (Viewer) for On-line hypertext help.

We are integrating FrameViewer 3.1x with our application for On-line help.
Our application runs on HPux 8.07, IBM 3.2, 1.1.7 and SCO ODT2.0.
The application is built with a GUI builder call TeleUSE 205 using X11R4
libraries.

The only problem left to solve is how to let the end user write his own 
help text without using FrameMaker and allow the FrameViewer to be able to read
normal ascii files. When FrameViewer reads normal ascii files it puts 
backward 'p' instead of carriage returns in the display. It also prompts for 
format conversion.

Frame support suggested to put an extension .mml to the file, but the result 
of that is that all lines are then concatenated together when displayed.

Anybody using FrameViewer for On-line help? 
How is it turning out.
Watch out if you are using FrameViewer previous version 3.0x. 
(Forking, hypertext problem).
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Carp Systems International             Fax:   (613) 592-0584
600 Terry Fox Drive - Suite 200        CAnet: denis@csi.on.ca 
Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2L 4B6
From: steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:50:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

bae@hplsdrn.col.hp.com (Bruce Erickson) writes:

> In comp.text.frame (subj: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?), Theo.Kanter writes:
> > 
> > In FrameMaker 3.0 I would like to be able rotate Objects any nymber of 
> > degrees. Not just 90 degrees. This works for lines by dragging the ends 
> > around, but is there some function which allows one to rotate objects by
> > an arbitrary number of degrees?
> 
> Select the object (or objects), hit (in sequence) ^R g i
> 
> This will give you a dialog box and let you specify the rotation angle.
> 
> To use the mouse, select the object and use ^Rgt....

Doesn't work on my Sparc2, PcWindows or Mac.

steve
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.sys.sun.admin,mot.comp.unix.admin
From: mario@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mario Nigrovic)
Subject: Frame and File Manager
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Keywords: FrameMaker FileManager
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:30:05 GMT

Hello again from someone in moderate need!

One of my users (my boss) prefers a Mac-like environment and so
uses the FileManager under OW3.  He would like to be able to
click on a frame document and have it opened by his CURRENT invocation
of FrameMaker.  (To those of you unfamiliar with Frame: You start
the application ONCE and the use that to open future files.)

He's running Frame 3.1X and OW3/SunOS4.1.1b.

Personally, I HATE FileManager and am therefore completely
unfamaliar with its operation.

					Thanks for your time,

							Mario

Mario Nigrovic <mario@wdc.sps.mot.com>		voice: (602) 821-4264
Motorola Western MCU Design Center		fax:   (602) 821-4058
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From: garyf@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Gary Faulkner)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Page Numbering
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:47:36 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation


I need to be able to have the preliminary sections of a document I am preparing
have page numbers of the format i, ii, iii, etc.  I cannot find a way to 
do this in frame.  Has anyone done this before?

Thanks.

--
Gary Faulkner -- My views are no more Amdahl's than Amdahl's views are mine.

     Brought to you by the letter 'G'.
From: umform@ks.id.ethz.ch (Daniel Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameMaker license server question
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:31:20 GMT
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich


Is there a way to use FrameMaker on a SGI with a SUN based license server ?

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