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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: "Dead Again" question
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:34:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.133314.309@devildog.att.com> steveh@devildog.att.com (Steve Hendershott) writes:
>In the movie Dead Again did anyone get the impression that the two main 
>characters (Strauss and his wife) were re-incarnated in reversed sex roles?
>Did Strauss come back as the woman and his wife as Mike Church?
>
>What leads me to believe this was when Mike Church was under hypnosis, he
>viewed himself in the bedroom mirror as a woman.

Uhh, I thought that was given!  For example:  Robin Williams character says
the person who did something to another in a previous life got revenge the
next life!  hence the ending!  Noticed you died and who did it!
>
>I have talked to others who did not feel this is the case.

Have them watch it again!  This time tell them to pay attention!

		-Casey Hopkins
		hopkins@agora.rain.com
		!
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: howard's end...GYUCK!
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:24:10 GMT
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

rcbi27@marshall.wvnet.edu (DBRUM) writes:
>Just saw HOWARD'S END. Gyuck! Drivel. Nothing to it. Beautifully filmed
>outline for a movie, but no real movie. I can't believe it got ****!
>
Don't believe this for a second. A very nice piece of work. It bops
right along and manages a very complicated plot without pausing for
breath. Very fine acting, particularly Vanessa Redgrave in a minor
role. 

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you all to repent from your sins.
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS SNEAKER
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:42:59 GMT

In article <matt.715911766@centerline.com> matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
>In <Bu1DHz.I5o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>>>In one of the battle scenes in one of the starwars movies when they're
>>>showing the armada I've heard a rumor that one of the ships is actually
>>>a sneaker
>
>>It's in Return of the Jedi. 
>
>No, it isn't.  It's a myth.  You can discover this by going down to
>your local videodisc emporium and buying or renting a copy of the
>letterboxed version on laserdisc, then doing a frame-by-frame scan
>of all of the battle scenes.  In one of them, you'll see about 2 
>frames in which one of the ships, moving at high speed and blurred
>as it passes by, looks vaguely sneaker-like, but when examined 
>closely in stop-action, it's clearly just a ship.

Tell that to rec.arts.sf.starwars.  If you had bothered to read the _rest_ of
the post, you would have noticed that I said for the poster to go there for a 
full explanation.  The comment "It's in Return of the Jedi" was intended to mean
that "that's where it's _supposed_ to be".  Not being completely without a life,
I haven't bothered to try to freeze-frame a copy of the movie myself,
and have thus never seen it, one way or another.  

Perhaps you should go to r.a.s.s. and post this there.  There's a discussion
currently going on there about this topic.  You will find plenty of people 
willing to argue the point with you there.

The Walrus

From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:46:13 GMT
Subject: The Dead List (Q-Z) Part V of V
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

In rec.arts.movies, shan@wam.umd.edu (Jake) writes:

>If anybody out there in netland could kindly please e-mail me the movies Jackie
>Chan did.  And I mean the whole list.  Thanks.  shan@rac1.wam.umd.edu is my
>address.

The Jackie Chan filmography :

   Little Tiger from Canton, 1971, a
   New Fist of Fury, 1976, a
   Shaolin Wodden Men, 1976, a
   Killer Meteor, 1977, a
   Snake-Crane Art of Shaolin, 1977, a
   To Kill with Intrigue, 1977, a
   Half a Loaf of Kung Fu, 1977, a
   Magnificent Bodyguard, 1978, released in 3-D, a
   Spiritual Kung Fu, 1978, a
   Dragon Fist, 1978, a
   Snake in the Eagle's Shadow, 1978, a, w
   Drunken Monkey in the Tiger's Eyes, 1979, a, w
   Fearless Hyena, 1979, a, w, d
   The Young Master, 1980, a, w, d
   Island on Fire, 19??, a (made back when his hair was "Young Master" long,
			    it was re-released to cash in on his star quality)
   The Big Brawl, 1980, a
   The Cannonball Run, 1981, a
   Dragon Lord, 1982, a, w, d, p
   Winners and Sinners, 1983, a
   The Cannonball Run - Part 2, 1983, a
   Project "A", 1983, a, w, d, p
   Wheels on Meals, 1984, a
   The Protector, 1985, a
   Twinkle, Twinkle, Lucky Stars, 1985, a
   First Mission, 1985, a
   My Lucky Stars, 1985, a
   Police Story, 1985, a, w, d, p
   Armor of God, 1986, a, w, d, p
   Heart of the Dragon, 1986, a
   Project "A" - Part II, 1987, a, w, d, p
   Dragon's Forever, 1987, a
   Police Story, Part 2, 1988. a, w, d, p
   Miracle (a.k.a. Mr. Chan and Lady Rose?), 1989, a, w, d, p
   Armor Of God, Part 2, 1990, a, w, d, p

   Double Dragon, 1991, a, w, d, p?  (not sure about this one)
   Super Cop: Police Story III, 1992, a, w, d?, p?  (not sure about this one)

   KEY => a : actor, w : writer, d : director, p : producer


   Many are available at your local Chinese or Japanese video store and some
   of his older material is dubbed and released by an American distributor.

   Most of this filmography list was taken from the S.F. International Film
   Festival 1989 catalog, where Jackie was showcased and was the guest of
   honor for that year.  They showed a tribute featuring one hour of
   action/comedy clips from several of his films and also a few of his
   feature length films. I was a great event to hear (through an interpreter)
   and see him live.

   --Eric
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Sunday, 13 Sep 1992 13:18:29 EDT
From: Jon Kroll <3YXOLBH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: HELP re : Phoebe Cates!

 Can anybody get me an address where I could contact Phoebe Cates?
 she appeared in Drop Dead Fred, I Love You To Dead, and a few others

any help would be much appreciated, thanx


J.Kroll Central Michigan University, Comp Sci + History
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: BLADE RUNNER: The Director's Cut
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:25:43 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London


Anyone have any idea when us Brits will get a chance to see this cut, or if
it will be due for a video release?

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

                            "That hurt!"
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From: noj@netcom.com (Jonathan Trachtenberg)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 05:19:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep4.012603.10219@ccu.umanitoba.ca> vnelson@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gerald Vernon Nelson) writes:
>I haven't seen "Mobsters" but i assume its the same.  All cutsie cast.
>
>Vern Nelson
>
>
>>But Vern--it had songs sung that by that incredibly talented Tiffany!
>>Remember _her_? :) (smiley face to accent the humor in this post). 
>I can just hear it: "Yeah, its goina have Tiffany, and these real cute..."

 I saw this just as I was going to post my most embarassing movie, which is
infact, Mobsters.  I should have known it would be bad when the guy at the 
ticket window, who happened to be a friend, let us in for free.  In fact, 
I don't remember now why we didn't walk out, maybe we thought it would get
better.  This film went beyond just bad, it was insulting as it glorified
a mobster, and a murderer.  When the closing text scrolled by telling how
Luciano 'cleaned up' organized crime, my friend and I burst into hysterics.

Don't rent this film, in fact, don't even come within ear-shot. If you know 
someone who liked this film other than pubecent girls watching it for C.S.,
avoid them. This film is up there with 'Leneord: Part VI' as the all time
insulting film ever created.


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From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: An annoying thing about Blade Runner
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:27:11 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Sep14.215709.15312@seas.gwu.edu> geigel@seas.gwu.edu (Joseph Geigel) writes:
>
>Now don't get me wrong, I think that Blade Runner is one of the
>best science fiction movies ever made...however, there is this one
>annoying point brought up on a panel at the World Science Fiction
>convention this past Labor Day weekend that sort of bothers me.
>
>The movie is a story of this cop who has to kill these replicants
>who are all going to die in a week anyway.  Decker could have just
>sat in a Dunkin Donuts for a week until the replicant's life span
>ran out.  (Then, I suppose, we wouldn't have much of a movie, would we?).
>
>Think about it.

Others at other conventions have mentioned this point.  However you have
to remember that the replicants have killed several dozen people (the
twenty odd ones on the shuttle).  Public opinion would *demand* that these
renegades be hunted down, even if they were going to die in a week.
An analogy made in _Retrofitting Blade Runner_ (don't remember which
essay) is that of a rabid dog; you know the dog's going to die soon, so
do you just leave it running around until it does?

The replicants have proven to be a menace and public policy would demand
that someone go after them, no matter how long they have to live.

>
>
>                             -- jogle
>                                geigel@seas.gwu.edu


--
*Ka Chun Yu                 * "Deputy dog dog a ding dang depa depa deputy     *
*kachun@as.arizona.edu      *  dog dog a ding dang depa depa . . ."            *
*                           *                         --"Don't Let's Start"    *
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Subject: Re: Pet Semetary 2
From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Bart-Man)
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:36:08 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep3.184337.19464@news.iastate.edu>, techy@iastate.edu (Troy A Rutter) writes:
> The highlight of the film was, by a long shot, Edward Furlong, this young
> actor has shown GREAT diversity in playing the kind-of wimpy dude in
> Terminator 2.. to being almost totally evil-looking in Semetary 2.

  Wasn't the bully that got killed by the motorcycle the same kid that played 
Furlong's red-headed, long haired friend in the beginnig of T2?

 I did like it, as a comedy.

-Bart
From: rob@tlon.mit.edu (Rob Sanner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:35:12 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology

In article <trussell.715789309@cwis> trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)  
writes:
> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
> 
> >BTW this theatre was in Akron, Ohio.  If they're sending those posters
> >out to the heartland, it must be real :-).
> 
>     "U" magazine (a monthly mag that many university student papers stick
> in with their papers) also has a full-page ad for the director's cut
> version, but again, with no release date, just "coming soon".
> 
> --
>     Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu

	According to today's NYT, the director's cut version of BR begins
an "exclusive engagement" Friday in Manhattan.
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From: woolf@alc.com (Bobby Woolf)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: woolf@alc.com
Organization: Ascent Logic Corporation, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:04:59 GMT

In article 5632@wam.umd.edu, dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>
>- No voiceovers by Deckard ***ABSOLUTELY NONE***
>

I read an article from _Veriety_ that must have been based on the
original re-release last year.  According to it, there was one bit of
narration by Deckard near the end of the movie.  I don't remember ANY
narration in the one I saw last night.  Although apparently there was a
little narration in last year's version, I believe Dave is correct,
there is ABSOLUTELY NO narration in this version of the film.

>All of the original flaws like the 6-vs-5 replicant problem are still
>there. Still no lip-sync in the Abdul Ben Hassan conversation. The
>scrolling text at the beginning is still there.
>

The scene where Deckard is talking to the snake manufacturer (Abdul Ben
Hassan?) is totally overdubed and the voices are completely out-of-sync
with the actors' lips.  At the end of the scene, Ford's lips move to
say one last thing, but the sound-track contains neither person's
voice.  It's a bit like watching a foreign movie that's been dubbed
into English (except worse).

>
>                                         -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu

Another interesting flaw: There's a shot in Sabastian's apartment
building; Deckard has killed Pris; the Rutger Hauer replicant has
broken a couple of Deckard's fingers; Deckard has lost his gun.
Deckard goes running through a large room before he ends-up out on the
ledge; as he runs though the room, there are lots of shadows racing
across the wall as he runs along the wall; look closely, two of those
shadows are those of the camera crew; you can see them through the
whole shot, but the shot is only a few seconds long.

I find these sort of editing flaws interesting.  I recently saw an
independent release called _One False Move_ (a good movie, BTW).  It
was done on a small budget and the editting was fairly rough.  I
suspect that Ridly Scott never had much chance ten years ago to polish
his cut of _Blade Runner_, and although he tried to do some polishing
for the re-release, but there's only so much you can do ten years after
the fact.  Seeing movies with these sorts of editing flaws in them
gives me a real appreciation for how difficult it must be to edit a
movie well (after its been shot).  Makes me wonder how in the world they
manage to edit a really complicated movie like _Terminator 2_ and make
it look so smooth.

Anyway, the _Blade Runner_ director's cut it cool.  Go see it on the
big screen.

Bobby

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    Bobby Woolf                             Ascent Logic Corp.
    woolf@alc.com                           San Jose, CA
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From: pmercer@apple.com (Paul Mercer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Bay Area Blade Runner: Where??
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:40:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.172842.1533@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
j12966@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Andrew M. Bates) wrote:
> 
> 
>     Could someone please please please PLEASE tell me in which Bay Area	theater
> or theaters Blade Runner will be playing this Friday, September 11th?  I've
> heard that it will be in Berkeley somewhere, but I don't know which theater.
> Also, does anyone knoe if it's playing anywhere in the San Jose area?  Please
> email me any info on theaters, because I'd like to get my tickets ASAP.  
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
> 	Andy Bates.

It is also opening this Friday at the Varsity theatre in Palo Alto.

Paul Mercer
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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies,rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Keywords: blade runner ridley scott director cut film
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:51:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuHB1E.FJu.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Does anyone know when/where it is in Pittsburgh?

WE DON"T HAVE ANY NEWSPAPERS HERE BECAUSE OF THAT *&^%^&% STRIKE.

Please... I will reimburse you!

Tim
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REAL BEST SHOTS
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:45:10 GMT
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio

<1992Sep5.060103.4950@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio
Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep5.060103.4950@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
(Kelvyn Chin) writes:
>frank@snooks.isri.unlv.edu (Frank Jenkins) writes:
>: The opening sequence of 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit': A fully animated cartoon
is interrupted when a live director walks onto the set. I thought it was
awesome.
>
>
>Sorry to disagree, Frank, but I hate _Roger Rabbit_ and it's been said out 
>loud here before, but I *just* have to second it -- I DON'T CARE HOW THEY
>DID IT !!!!
>
>The ballroom sequence from "Beauty and the Beast", now THAT's awesome! :)
>   

Don't forget the dining room scene with the self-serving meals, utensils, etc.
Done to the song "Be Our Guest". Absolutely one of the most fantastic pieces
of animation that has ever been done.

Jim

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: gre2@quads.uchicago.edu (erik michael gregersen)
Subject: Re: Prospero's Books (was Re: Most <pejorative adjective> Movie)
Reply-To: gre2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.235101.26468@news2.cis.umn.edu> nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols) writes:
	[rest of article deleted]
>
>Another question: Can anyone identify (or discuss!) any art-historical  
>influences or references (or jokes) in Prospero's Books or any other Greenaway  
>stuff?

	Peter Greenaway has written a book that contains the script of 
"Prospero's Books", as well as many stills from the film and also pictures of
the various paintings that inspired the sets and costumes.  Also, for those
"Drowning By Numbers" fans, Greenaway has written a book called "Fear of 
Drowning By Numbers".  It is published by a French press and has text both in
French and English.  This book also lists the various paintings that made
their way into this film.

Erik Gregersen

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (was Re: Blade Runner...(SPOILERS))
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:29:07 GMT

In article <BuL4I5.4qs@me.utoronto.ca> steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:
>crunch@camelot.bradley.edu (Randy Bloom) writes:
>
>>That's like asking "why didn't character a know character b was going to do
>>that? didn't he read ahead?"  The eye-glowing thing is only a film device
>>to let the audience "know" who was or wasn't a replicant, and isn't
>>necessarily an accurate measure. 
>
>Wha??  Not an accurate measure?  If I saw anyone's eyes glow, I'd think
>something was up (or they got into the spice :-)  I have doubts about your
>interpretation; having replicants' eyes glow for the audience but not for
>the film's characters is lame.

The film has other things which are most likely just for the audience's
benefit. For example when Deckard looks at Rachael's photograph, it
"moves" for just an instant. Also if you listen closely during Rachael's
VK test you can hear Deckard talking about the spider (which he later
brings up in his apartment to prove to her that she is a replicant).

The fact is that the replicants' eyes DO glow, and nobody in the film
seems to be able to see it. This is made quite obvious in some scenes.

                                           -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: Re: REAL BEST SHOTS 
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:01:03 GMT

frank@snooks.isri.unlv.edu (Frank Jenkins) writes:
: The opening sequence of 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit': A fully animated cartoon is interrupted when a live director walks onto the set. I thought it was awesome.


Sorry to disagree, Frank, but I hate _Roger Rabbit_ and it's been said out 
loud here before, but I *just* have to second it -- I DON'T CARE HOW THEY
DID IT !!!!

The ballroom sequence from "Beauty and the Beast", now THAT's awesome! :)
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Altman
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:44:01 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <BuFvrL.Cxn@well.sf.ca.us>, rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:

> I have heard that Robert Altman is considered a god, almost. Is this
> because MASH was revolutionary in its style? Is it because of other
> achievements, like Nashville and McCabe and Mrs. Miller?

Don't quote me on this...but I think it's because he was once seen talking to 
Charlton Heston on a mountain top...

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:50:12 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep14.163525.21172@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu 
(Peter Reiher) writes:

> The first two films made a lot of money by appealing to little boys.
> The producers of the third film would have to be nearly insane to
> jeopardize making a lot of money on the third film by changing the
> formula significantly.  

Like the makers of _Super Mario Brothers_???  (Oh I hope this movie is a hit)

:^)

Greg Bole                                         "Well ya killed the hell 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                       outa that fellow today."
                                                Clint Eastwood in _Unforgiven
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From: magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies,rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 23:19:28 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solaris.astro.uu.se
Keywords: blade runner ridley scott director cut film

I can't hold it back any more...
I have seen the film but I can't remember...

WHO IS HOLDEN??

Magnus
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