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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Philadelphia experiment
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:51:28 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf) writes:

> There actually is a movie out on the Philadelphia Experiment and some books.
> The movie, I'm not sure how much dramatic license is involved, is titled "The
> Philadelphia Experiment" and its just a few years old now.
 
 More like nearly 10 years and alot of license compared to the book
 of the same title.
 
 However you do raise a good point here Scott. While this is a story
 most of us in this news.group and in most countries have heard reference
 to, what has happened since then in this line of study?
 
 I would be interested to hear in any current (recent last 20 years)
 happening in this line of research. A pet topic of discussion here is
 geo-magnetic propolusion and also terestial magnetic (read gravity)
 propulsion.
 


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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (no one of consequence)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Don't Worry Be Happy.
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:50:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: dopey.cc.utexas.edu

In article <memo.896622@cix.compulink.co.uk> asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
]>-- K.
]>Never shout "Theater!" in
]> fired crowd.
]
]...and never shout "VACUUM!" in
]a crowded space port.

...and never, NEVER shout "FIRE!"
at people pointing weapons at
you.

:):):):):):):):):):):):):)


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kaypok@next11csc.wam.umd.edu (Dr. Who)
Subject: looking for people who have had some sort of close encounter experienc
Followup-To: kaypok@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:52:21 GMT

I live in the greater Washington D.C. metropolitan area and I especially
want to contact people in my area who have had CE experiences.


					Thanks,
					Nathan
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: John Winston=fucking wanker
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:31:59 GMT

 Jacques Guy writes:

You complainants, what the fuck do you contribute to this
group? Whinge, whinge, whinge, bitch, bitch, bitch. Not
a shred of information. Nothing. Zilch. Bugger all.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Spoken like a true Aussie!

Cheers mate!
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Sub-Space Communication for Star Fleet
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:51:47 GMT

To: Star Fleet Command
From : Federatrion Science Academy, Anchorage Alaska
Subject : Constant G boost drive

Transmition as follows:

	I am a a information researcher for the Federation
I am currently looking for people who are knowledgable in theoretical physics
chemestry, engineering and has a working knoledge of quasi crystals. The
Federation Science Academy has come up against several walls and find
themselves in need of assistance from people who have far more experience and
far more knowlegde in the ares they are trying to work in. 
	I would be more specific but this is not my feild, mine is medical.
I have two files in my account I will gladly send to those who ask. I would
ask though that you please be patient with the sending of the files, we have 
had a great deal of trouble sending them to people, only half the requests
get through normally, but I will continue to try until you get the files you 
requested.
		Thankyou for your time

				Asljl@acad2.alaska.edu
					Lynn
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston=fucking wanker
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:59:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Everybody:  I am listening to all of your comments. Thanks to 
Andrew for his good words, and I believe Press2 may win some sort of 
award for his come-backs to my postings.
John Winston.
From: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371


In further response to rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski):

Here's some more from Marshall Dudley.

begin message:

===========================================================================
 BBS: SysteM-C-V
Date: 22-01-93 (11:12)             Number: 646
From: MARSHALL DUDLEY              Refer#: NONE
  To: DENNIS WEBBER                 Recvd: NO
Subj: CROP CIRCLES                   Conf: (50) beyond
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MD-> In most cases these are the white or orange balls floating above
MD-> the ground. Or flashlights if the circle is fakes. :)

-> Plasma?

That is a good question.  I interviewed a fellow who had built a "circle
detector" when I was over there this last summer.  It was basically a
directional ferite rod with a audio amplifier and headphones.  He
claimed he could pick up when circles are being created with it, and
could obtain the direction.  The next morning he would find the circle
where he has trianagled it the night before. Now, one afternoon late he
claimed that he was picking up the "static" and went looking for it.
When he topped a hill he saw a white ball floating about in front of
him about 100 feet away. It would keep its distance, and the detector
would track it as it floated around.  So I would have to answer yes, it
is quite possibly is a plazma ball of some type.

-> Yes that was done quite extensively last year.  Extensive chromosome
-> damage was found, as well as recrystalization of the starches.  The
-> former appears to be from some type of high energy bombardment of
-> ions, and the latter to a rapid heating and cooling, which may or may
-> not be caused by the high energy bombardment.
->
-> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Oh. So what does that mean?
-> (Little green men from the Neptoid Glaxixy?)

Since the same was not found this year (at least not the radioactivity),
it seems to be a continuation of the same old, once you find a clue, it
dissappears act the circles seem so fond of.  They have made a liar out
of almost every investigator who has gone on record to report any
finding, and to attempt to draw any conclusion.  It is like something is
trying to get us to quit thinking with our logical minds and just feel
or accept, as I read recently.  Who knows.

-> Anyone put toghther a book (or GIF file - hint) of all the circle
-> shapes found so far to date? That would be interesting to look at.

I scanned and posted about 23 circles in GIF format on Data World BBS
last year. They are under the filenames of CCIR*.GIF.

                                                        Marshall
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end message.

 Andy ~ london ~ uk                        andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk
                                           notes01@clstr.pnl.ac.uk
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:59:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
	[generally accurate description of radar-targeting device] 

... the Rawin target device (the one that the Roswell whateveritwas
is claimed to be) is towed by neoprene rubber balloon(s), under which
the targeting device is attached by string.  (Yes, string.)  At the 
edges of the board frames for each reflector was stapled a slip of
typed paper reading "Property of Air Materiel Command Watson
Laboratories, Army Air Field (and then local launch addres)."

	The argument against anything "strange" seems to be that
	1) The development of radar itself was a secret undertaking.

... certainly not.  It took a little digging, but I found a reference
to radar (calling it "radiolocation of aircraft", which is what radar is;
the passage also includes describing its use in vectoring interceptors
to attacking air units) in "The Makers of Modern Strategy", by Edward
Mead Earle -- in 1943 (Princeton University Press, pg. 494.) ... 4
years before Roswell.  (Radar, of course, predates WWII, but I wanted
to be sure there was an unclassified reference to it before 1947.)

	2) The shape of the reflector (and being able to use something
	like this at all in a test) was secret.

... since the reflector is a series of triangles, so as to  be the
best reflector from any angle, I can't imagine it would be secret.
(And, see below about the Ohio incident.)

	3) The special metal alloy used was secret. It was very thin,
	very light, and very strong. It was, of course, extremely
	important that samples of the metal didn't get into enemy
	hands.  (Don't ask me what it was!)

... according to "Roswell, A Historical Perspective", the reflector
was made of aluminum foil.  (That would work, of course, suitably
thin, its plenty light.)

   The problem with all this is that on July 1, 1947 (several days
before the Roswell brouhaha), Mr. Sherman Campbell of Circleville,
Ohio, had found (according to the Circleville Herald) a balloon "about
50 inches high, 48 inches wide, and weighed about 2 pounds.  Silver
foil was stretched over a wooden frame... was a star-shaped object ...
had 6 points."  Sound familiar?  The wreckage, rather than being
swooped off by the USAAF to, well, anywhere, was allowed to sit in the
offices of the Circleville Herald for several days, and then returned
to the Campbell family as a souvenir.  

   So why all the brouhaha in New Mexico?

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: John Winston=fucking wanker
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:28:06 GMT

In article <74327@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Everybody:  I am listening to all of your comments. Thanks to 

How do you do that? I can't hear a thing?

> Andrew for his good words, and I believe Press2 may win some sort of 
> award for his come-backs to my postings.

Thank you, but i already have a ward. well it's a ward doll, i'm
still trying to match him with a june. know where i can find one?
Thanks.

> John Winston.
From: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space
Date: 20 Jan 93 18:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371


You, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writ

PN/*   current topics.   Flattery, it seems, will get you *everywhere*
PN/*   with the TV generation:  tell them that they're intelligent and
PN/*   that they demonstrate this by watching your "intellectually
PN/*   stimulating" TV show and they'll tune in in droves.

HA! 17 million Britons tune in to Cilla Black's _Blind Date_ every
week. This is telling them they're shit-thick morons - and they love
it. Nah, your theory is leaking.

(Hang on, this is rec.couch.potato, right? What have you done with
John Winston's alt.alien.visitors? It's was here yesterday....)

 Andy ~ london ~ uk                        andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk
                                           notes01@clstr.pnl.ac.uk
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 . SLMR 2.1a #112 . Organism (n): Discrimination on the basis of organs.
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Leftovers. Grey Aliens.
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:51:21 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

It is normal to make post like this. Everyone is doing it. It makes
alot of sense if you really think about it. Don't forget to put a period
after your name when you sign off. It is also bad to leave your quotes
unclosed such as "I am quoting the alien.

Garrett.
From: gilly!dave@quack.UB.com (Dave Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:33:44 -0600
Organization: SFMnet (Spiders From Mars network)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob) writes:

>  What's a bigfootf ?

It's one member in a set of generalized bigfoot-formatting calls,
including:

bigfootf()
fbigfootf()
sbigfootf()

These incur the expected overhead of library function calls, but they
provide an excellent layer of abstraction above the yeti()
system call, and adhere to the MYTHIX open mythos standards.


------------------------ uunet!quack!gilly!dave ------------------------
================= Dave Fischer - Nature's Perfect Food =================
---------------------- dave%gilly@quack.sac.ca.us ----------------------
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 4D/life/Venus/etc
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:09:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: It was me that mentioned the 4th dimension. I'll try to 
look around and see if I can find some information on the subject. 
I do remember the story about the catapillar that looked up at the  
beautiful butterfly and said, "Boy you'll never catch me up in one 
of those things.
John Winston.
From: Andre.Eichner@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Anti-Gravity?
Date: 18 Jan 93 18:07:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/816 - The Wrong Num, Jersey City NJ

Hello Robert!

Tuesday January 12 1993, Robert K. Rouse writes to All:

 RKR> From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)

 RKR> Has you ever heard of this effect before?  Is there a patent
 RKR> related to this?

I read about in a book about new technology (Ventla-Verlag).

 RKR>      Recently, Mr. Searl had (1987) a brush with authorities, when
 RKR> he began simply generating his own power for his own house. Now he
 RKR> doesn't have a very large house, but the Utility Board didn't like
 RKR> the fact that they had lost their monopoly. Now he lives in
 RKR> Birmingham under an assumed name. Simple, eh?

What is your source of information? I've a very old source. Did you have the adress of Mr.Searl? I'm very interested for new informations about Searl.

cheers
   Andre

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj)
Subject: Re^2: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Organization: Carl Pellonpaa Fan Club - South Chapter
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:31:20 GMT

Len Bucuvalas writes:

>...
>So...you think that the name "Earthlings" sounds sophisticated? NASA
>designates all planets in any system by their star + orbital
>position.ergo...Reticulum3 = third planet from Zeta reticulum...or
>SOL3 = third planet from our sun designated as SOL.
>

I have to call you on this one.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last
I saw in the literature (astronomical, not ufological) is that the
existence of extrasolar planets is still very much in doubt.  There
are a few stars which appear to have massive subluminous companions
and Beta Pictoris has a nice dust disk that could have or be coalescing
into planets, but there's nothing proven.  What NASA publication 
referred to such a naming scheme?

>I suppose we can also be called Solarians! Dont let the terminlogy get
>in the way of understanding the research. Words are an arbitrary point
>of reference to provide clarity for the reader..that's all.

No argument.

J. Johnson
jcj@tellabs.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: Moon surface: No ETs
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:55:52 GMT

You said:

After watching the NASA tapes on the apollo missions to the moon there is
one thing that really stands out. The surface of the moon has very little
erosion and the impact craters are billions of years old. The tracks left
by the astronauts will be there for millions of years and yet they did not
see any evidents of other tracks. This can lead to the conculsion that any
ETs skipped over the moon or any landing marks have not been found.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say:

Why would any beings who had the capacity to travel distances that are
measured in light years and live to tell about it care to land on one of the
most uninteresting spheres our solar system has to offer?  It is probably a
very typical type of moon in our Galaxy and thus offers absolutely no
compelling study for our alien friends.

What do you think?

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It's a quaint little man from the   |  Fear your government.
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From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon, no ETs
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:55:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

You said:

>Why would any beings who had the capacity to travel distances that are
>measured in light years and live to tell about it care to land on one of the
>most uninteresting spheres our solar system has to offer?  It is probably a
>very typical type of moon in our Galaxy and thus offers absolutely no
>compelling study for our alien friends.

>What do you think?

OK, the moon is uninteresting compared to the earth but these aliens are not
so smart if you believe in the Roswell testimony. The earth is like an oasis
in space and the ETs do not want us to destroy it. Therefore they would
want to monitor dangerous activities on earth. A station on the moon
would have been a good spot before man started to explore space but they
have skipped over the moon. So either the moon is too far from the earth
for them to monitor or they knew leaving tracks would be discovered in
the future.

--
dano:
From: Susan_Tees@mindlink.bc.ca (Susan Tees)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the universe
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:54:10 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Squeaky clean.  Nothing is better than bbs'ing, and I am new
on deck to.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Re: 7&^ IVO&^T
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:51:46 GMT

bsrrg@dct.ac.uk writes:

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omeone trnslate this.,  please?

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From: mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: RE: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:39:16 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	In this ongoing debate over the quality of programs on networks, I have
to agree with all and differ with none. But still I have to post, here are my
reasons for not being addicted to Star Trek.
1) The story starts expanding slowly and by the last ten minutes it has become
rather interesting(sometimes). Voila, someone comes up with a brilliant
solution, presses afew buttons and the show is over.
2) All the aliens are humanoids, why do they have to have two legs and two arms
and shit on their face.
3) Picard trys to hard to be Sean Connery.
4) No real suspense, it has just become a sort of noveaux techno sort of think.
I watch Start Trek. Therefore, I must be smart.
	But I admit that sometimes they explore issues with a lot more insight,
and the graphics are pretty good to. Most of my freinds are Trekkies, but I
would rather watch Batman The Animated Series. Now that is pure entertainement.
From: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:46:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


While you may be correct in saying that there are no known planets
associated with stars other than the sun, this is true only in that
we have no absolute proof that such planets exist.

This is misleading.  Absolute proof in the form of a space probe or
direct observation of another solar system is quite impossible given
the limitations of modern technology.

There is considerable indirect proof of which you may not be aware.
Epsilon Eridani exhibits a "wobble" in its path through the celestial
sphere which can be easily explained only by the presence of one or
more "companions" with a total mass about six times that of Jupiter.
Barnard's star (one of the closest to us) is thought to have two com-
panions of 0.9 and 0.6 Jupiter masses.

There is also a good deal of other (indirect) evidence in the form of
spectrographic studies, which may be found in many introductory text-
books (at least in summary form).  I would direct you to these for 
further information.

One might raise the objection that these companions are too large to be
called planets.  If they are nonluminous and orbiting a star, I don't
know what else you'd call them.  In any case, their existence could
not possibly hurt the chances of smaller planets being present.  I
hope this is useful.
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