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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Dallas and Jay Novacek
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:33:19 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa,local

In article <1992Aug26.131619.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.181930.18695@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jjs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph J. Shen) writes:
>>In a previous article, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) says:
>>>In article <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>>>Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>>>>obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.
>>>
>>>I think his point was Jay was acquired by the Cowboys from Plan B, was
>>>drafted by the Cardinals in a later round(~7th I think was too long ago
>>>to recall), and although he is an excellent receiver and should never
>>>have been turned loose by the Cardinals, a #1 and a #3 pick for him
>>>does seem a bit steep.
>> 
>> However, all you have to do is look at the most recent draft to see what
>> a premium (wrongly so, in my opinion) teams put on a really good TE.
>> [Novacek] is a PROVEN receiver and gets open quite well (although
>> blocking isn't his forte).  Teams would be willing to give up at least a
>> first rounder for him, if not more.
>
>But the point was, he is NOT a great TE!  When he was with the Cardinals,
>he couldn't block on a running play.  A truly great TE can both catch and
>block.  The dime-a-dozen Novacek players whose system emphasizes pass
>receptions by the TE are NOT truly great.  Russ's assessment is accurate.
>Hell, if the *Cardinals* release you, you weren't that great to begin with.

Well, I think you are overstating your case. So what if he wasn't good
when he first came out. Remember Todd Christensen? Took him a position change
, a team change, and a lot of years before he became great. I think a better
way to look at this is, what TE would be worth a #1 or even a #2.
Basically, no matter how good a TE is, he is not worth as much as a QB,
RB, LB, or WR. Novacek is probably one of the top 5 tight ends in the league,
and not one of those 5 is worth a #1, much less 2 picks. 

Can anyone remember a tight end being traded for a #1? I know a couple of
TE's have been drafted in the first round, but most the tight ends
I see switch teams are free agents (either normal or plan B).

Tom Wolf
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Sammie Smith: Progress in Denver
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.192550.5805@henson.cc.wwu.edu> steves@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Steve Schunzel) writes:
>I was curious to the progress Sammie Smith is having in Denver.  I haven't
>heard anything about how he is doing. (I hope he's doing well, I picked
>him in a fantasy football league).
>
>Sincerly,
>
>Steve
>
>GO SEAHAWKS!

He was hurt (groin) until this week.  He played against Dallas and looked
okay.  However, on his longest run (~10 yds) he fumbled.  Considering his
history, this may hurt him a LOT.  He had 27 yards (I believe) for the
game on about 6 carries.

Perhaps he will get another chance next week.

I don't know if there is any "official" word, but I think the starting job
is still up for grabs.  Green had -2 yards against Dallas, Lewis has
fumbled in two games, and Smith is just coming off an injury (and fumbled).
If it was my choice, I'd go Lewis, Green, Smith.  My guess, however, is
that green will start against the Raiders in the opener.

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From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: probable starters by team and position..(please update)
Keywords: you heard it here first !
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:21:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

Cowboys cuts:

Chuck Weatherspoon RB
Michael Beasley RB
Receiver Gerald Alphin
linebacker Reggie Cooper, 
linebacker
Maurice Crum, 
tight end Chad Fortune,
quarterback Jason Garrett,
defensive end Kevin Harris, 
guard Dale Hellestrae, 
quarterback Craig Kupp, 
receiver Tony Lomack, 
guard Tom Myslinski, 
wide receiver Derrick Shepard and 
tight end Fallon Wacasey.
Kicker Brad Daluiso was cut from the team Sunday, leaving rookie Lin
Elliott as the Cowboys place kicker this season .
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From: erk@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (eric.r.kierstead)
Subject: Final Cardinals Roster anyone?? Also-A Thompson Trade rumors?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:32:23 GMT

I am stuck here in (ugh) NJ and get little to no news on
my beloved, wretched Cardinals.  I know they held back announcing
their final cuts (God know why--some bizzarre tactical move???),
but does any one out in netland have a final roster they
can post?? Thanks much!!

Also--now that Jonny Johnson has signed, are the A. Thompson
trade rumors heating up again??? Sounds like a great idea.
Johnson and Thompson are too similar to keep both (i.e. very good
rushers, OK receivers, miserable blockers).  The Cards need
a Maurice Carthon-like bonecrusher FB to open holes, since
the O-line can't seem to do it :-)

Eric K.

BTW- Are there any other Cards fans on the net besides
Russ Smith and me?  
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:50:46 -0400 
From: Erich William Trowbridge <et00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WHY WON'T YOU DIE JOE???




	At last....

		A man not afraid of the truth...

		Thank you, William. You have done us all great service.
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins Roster as of 8/26/92
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:58:33 GMT

In article <17j00jINNmbv@agate.berkeley.edu> grantham@jif.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes:
>swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) wrote:
>>Status unknown:
>>74 * Markus Koch      DE   6-5   275
>
>I read in one of the football previews that he had retired.  I had been
>wondering about his status myself.  It seems sort of weird that he would retire,
>since he was only in the league 5 or 6 seasons.
>
>Is the "status unknown" an official designation, the Washington Post's
>designation, or a reflection of the fact that you hadn't heard about him?
>
Marcus, has always been a "case" ;-)

He walked out of training camp either last year or the year before and
said he would retire -- he didn't want to play football anymore.  He
eventually came back -- this was a total "mind" thing -- he wasn't
after more money, etc.  

It seems every year he went through this.  But I hadn't heard anything
about him this year.  And was curious when I saw Steve's posting of
the roster.  Did he officially retire?  What's the scoop?

schalene

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From: uk04074@nx16.mik.uky.edu (paul d wiggins)
Subject: Steeler info wanted (schedule etc.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:26:15 GMT

I don't post here often but I was wondering if anyone
could please E-Mail me any info on the Steelers that
has been floating around.  It is for a friend.
Thanks in advance,
Paul

Go Cowboys!!!
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
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Subject: <None>
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:51:48 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

David Griggs signed, and the Phins will have all of their players available for
their opener next Monday against Cleveland. *whew!* There were also a rash of
quick signings today league-wide...
OTP- I'm glad that the Phins have the weekend off, so key players can recover
from minor/nagging injuries sustained in the preseason, and should be ready in
top form against Cleveland. The drawback- we might just need that break in
October 18th, than we need one now...
-- 

Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Help Needed!!!  Did Flutie play in the USFL?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 02:31:10 GMT

I was wondering if Doug Flutie ever actually played in the USFL?
I know he was drafted, but my books make it look like the USFL
folded the same year that Flutie would have come out, 1985.

Did he ever play, or did the league fold before he got to take a snap?

Thanx in advance,

Bryan Cooper
cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: signings, holdouts
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:21:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.1541.15152@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
>The following unsigned players or holdouts came to term with their
>teams in the last couple of days:
>
>Jerry Rice       49ers
>Carl Banks       Giants
>Andre Rison      Falcons
>Jim Lachey       Redskins
>Darrell Green    Redskins
>Desmond Howard   Redskins
>Toi Cook         Saints
>
>It would be good to have a list of significant players who are still not
>in camp. May anyone add to this list?
>
>Thomas Everett   Steelers
>Waters           Eagles       He signed.
>Erik Howard      Giants
>Eric Moore       Giants
>Michael Irvin    Cowboys
>Jay Novacek      Cowboys
>Terrell Buckley  Packers
  
  Not terribly significant, but Packer LB Brian Noble is also unsigned.
  
  --salty


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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: NFC Central Prediction
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:21:25 GMT

In article <calliesl.33.0@columbia.dsu.edu>,
calliesl@columbia.dsu.edu (Lonnie Callies) writes:

>How 'bout this prediction?

>              1.  Vikings (of course)...great offense,great defense
>              2.  Lions...Peete isn't a divison champ quarterback
>              3.  Bears...not the same ol' Bears
>              4.  Packers...blew alot of leads last year(vikings,falcons)
>              5.  Buccaneers...they suck
>

Swap places between the Bears and Vikings and I might agree with
you.  I seriously doubt that Green can step in and produce an
instant winner.  There is talent, but still a lot of shady areas.
Maybe in a year or two they may regain their form and once
again become a force in the NFC Central.

                                                  Tony
                                               GO 49ERS!!!
From: mcdonel@tol-ed.com (LILLIE MCDONEL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ??Final Roster
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:56:31 EDT
Organization: The Toledo Edison Co., Toledo Oh

When are the final cuts and final rosters for each team suppose to happen????
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From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Help Needed!!!  Did Flutie play in the USFL?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:19:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.023110.16613@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>I was wondering if Doug Flutie ever actually played in the USFL?
>I know he was drafted, but my books make it look like the USFL
>folded the same year that Flutie would have come out, 1985.
>
>Did he ever play, or did the league fold before he got to take a snap?

 He played for a coupla years with the New Jersey Generals in the USFL.  He 
had Herschel Walker in the backfield with him...

>Thanx in advance,
>
>Bryan Cooper
>cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu

Laters,

Baze





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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Steelers draft woes
Keywords: Rickets, Richardson, Noll-bashing
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:47:17 GMT

In article <67627@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>I don't have the list of Steeler number one picks in front of me at the
>moment, but I know who some of them are:  Huey Richardson, Tom Rickets, 
>Keith Gary, or is it Keith Simms, one of them was a number one.  I know that
>Gary was the one who, in a VERY cheap play, effectively ended Ken Anderson's
>career on a Monday night game.  Keith Willis, (not Simms, that's incorrect)
>wasn't really a world-beater either.  Whichever of ^^^^^

    I think you're thinking of Darryl Sims, a DL from Wisconsin picked in
    the first round who also flopped miserably. The Badgers other two
    first-round picks from that draft, Paul Gruber and Al Toon, have
    faired much better.

    --salty


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From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end of the 49ers
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.142720.1487@verdix.com>, drew@verdix.com (Drew
Johnson) writes:

 (stuff deleted)
|>
|>Especially since, after the Skins finish slapping them around on the
|>monday night opener, they will be so beat up and demoralized that their
|>number 1 pick will be in the top five. :)
|>
|>
|>Drew
|>drew@verdix.com
                         
  No you got it wrong.  Dallas traded for Haley so he can slap the
  Skin's QB around.................. :)


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From: eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz)
Subject: Re: Raiders Starting QB?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.205230.24937@news.bucknell.edu> lesher@news.bucknell.edu (T. Lesher) writes:








>This weekend on ESPN SportsCenter, Shell told the media in a "once-and-for-
>all-dammit" tone of voice that Schroeder _will_ be starting.  However, he
>added, "for the next four weeks."
>
>Although I can't for the life of me figure out why.
>

Simple:   
Al Davis likes guys who's names rhyme (sp?) with raider.

                  


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From: 6669030@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: What happened to Tony Sands?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:30:47 GMT

I never saw where Kansas Jayhawk tailback Tony Sands was drafted.  I realize
that he is only 5'6", but I think anyone who sets the single-game rushing
record in the NCAA (396 yds. vs Missouri) must get some attention.

Does anyone know?  Did he even get invited to a camp?

Thanks for any info....





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From: rege@melody.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers get new punter ?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:17:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: melody.berkeley.edu

While Ray Handley is trying to keep the Niners guessing by refusing to 
reveal who his starting QB will be, the 49ers have sent the Giants coaching
staff scurrying around trying to figure out who the Niner punter is
going to be. "This is really confusing" Handley was quoted by an
anonymous source, "how are we supposed to come up with a game plan when
we have no idea who their punter is?". 

Apparently the Niners have not yet signed a punter, though rookie
Klaus Wilmsmeyer has the inside track on the job. This'd mean that
they won't re-sign Prokop! This is the best piece of Niner news for a while I
think. Wilmsmeyer had a 42.6 yard average in the preseason over
7 punts, Prokop had a 33.4 average over 8. Needless to say just about
anybody would be an improvement. 

In other news, Seifert named Eric Davis the starter at left cornerback
over Merton Hanks. Don Griffin will return punts and John Johnson will
start at OLB. 

Ashu Rege
From: syang@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Guess)
Subject: E. Martin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:21:18 GMT
Distribution: usa

From reliable source, I heard that E. Martin (of NO) finally signed 1 year
contract.  Can anybody confirm this, and how much of playing time E. Martin 
would get in week 1?
From: vreddy@pappus.uucp (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GET OF IT! (was Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!)
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:05:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.040524.16709
Distribution: usa
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

Get off it people... everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if the
NFC East fans are the only ones who want to voice their opinion, then
fine. Don't yell at them for supporting their division. Perhaps if you
said something about your favorite non-NFC East team, then there would
be more to talk about. But apparently no one has anything to say about
anyone except the NFC East, so that's what everyone is talking about.
As far as the division itself, you can't tell me you think it's not
the strongest division in the NFL this season, as well as the past
couple of seasons as well. SO what if they are strong, perhaps all of
you NFC East fans out there should sabotage your teams so there will
be less to talk about. C'mon... no offense, but grow up and quit 
telling other people they can't support their teams. Try supporting 
your own instead.

*** NO FLAMES *** you WON'T get a response...

-- Venk Reddy --

Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud of it!
Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
		    ^^^^^^^
		Surprised? NOT an NFC East fan... :)
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best RB
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:14:33 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <BILLMS.92Aug27170142@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <2324@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>   In article <BILLMS.92Aug27102911@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>   >Cowboy Basher.
>   Case in point.  Do the words "beating a dead horse" mean anything to you?
>   How about "Give it up"?
>We are all sick of hearing the stupid rants "Cowboy
>Basher".  I expect equal fervor from you when the certain fans start using
>the phrase honestly.  But I'm not holding my breath.

There's a decided difference between blind support for your team and
attacking someone for blind support of their team.  Both are stupid,
but the second is stupid *on purpose*, not to mention mean.  As the
saying goes, who's the bigger fool, the fool, or the one who follows him?

I get tired of hearing "Cowboy basher", too.  But the solution isn't to
attack someone for it.  Someone who blindly supports *anything* won't give
it up due to a frontal attack.  Try logic instead of invectives; people
will be much more likely to listen.

Daniel Welch
----
I would love to taste your sweet forbidden fruit,
And leave upon my lips the savour of your juice.
Tabouche est tabu; tabu est tabouche.
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From: kinosr@rs6112.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita)
Subject: Re: POOL - Game Moved?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:33:12 GMT

Yes!  This is true.  The New England at Miami game has been moved to
Oct. 18.  The stadium wasn't damaged, but the city of Miami doesn't want
to pull away security officers from the damaged areas just to monitor
the game.

The game has been moved to what would have been their bye weeks.

Dave:  Should we include this game in this week's selections?
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Sammie Smith put on IR
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:17:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.125019.19873@gvl.unisys.com> heath@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ronald Heath) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>Sammie was put on IR with groin injury.  So not know how long he will be out.

Yeah but look on the bright side; it's extremely hard to fumble when
you're sitting on the bench. 

Tony (go cleveland) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: kennedy@inter-tel.com (Matt Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Terry McDaniel
Organization: Inter-Tel, Inc. (Chandler, AZ)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:53:05 GMT

>I was watching the Raider game last saturday and didn't see Terry 
>McDanial play at corner. Does anybody know what happend to him.?

McDaniel signed last week along with Marcus Allen.

=====================
Matthew S. Kennedy
kennedy@inter-tel.com
=====================
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:47:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Shouldn't that subject line read "WHEN Walket should fail ...".
Seeing him in pre-season (I know, I know, that don't mean nothing)
makes me wonder if his best days weren't with the NJ Generals.

satish nair
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: GOD I HATE THE RAMS!
Keywords: Tegger speakth
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:58:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.155017.5083@javelin.sim.es.com> wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep3.173925.15448@cci632.cci.com> teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger) writes:
>>>
>>>The TEGGER speaks:
>>>
>>>Ye sayth unto thee that the Bills shall win thy game against thy
>>>Mountain Goats. Thy Mountain Goats shall be rousted from thyne playing
>>>field by thy boisterous fans. Thee subject Everest shall be caused to
>>>tumble from thy Mountain and shall not return.
>>>
>>>The all great and powerful TEGGER has spoken!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>==================================
>>>The TEGGER
>>>Rochester's self proclaimed #1 Bill's Fan
>>>
>>>Section C5
>>>Row 32
>>>Seats 109 & 110
>>>
>>>GOD I HATE THE RAMS!!!
>>>
>>>Buffalo: 17
>>>Rams:    10
>
>>Have you had deep pit, barbequed goat?  Hmmm, Hmmmm, Good!
>>The Rams are a team I really dislike and I just remembered
>>I also dislike the Bills.  Therefore, my prediction is
>>truly "unbiased".
>
>>Buffalo: 27
>>Rams:    35
>
>If you are as unbiased as you say,then you must be stupid
> 
>
>Bills  : 31
>Rams   : 13 
>
>How could it go the other way-huh?
>-- 
You're being defensive. As Abramhan Lincoln said in 1873, "Do not
always bet on a sure thing." :-)  Frankly, I don't give a hoot who
wins.  I knew I would get a response from some twit out there whose
very existence depends on what the score will be.  Dude, if you
know what the score will be on games, you'd be trillionair! NOT!
As Robert Blake use to say "Take that to the bank."
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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