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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Some GOOD news? In Advocacy? Hard to believe, Vern.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 08:15:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I was thinking "should I bother posting this?" when I read "thecure"'s 
article about the lousy support his dealership gets from Commodore
in Australia, which motivated me to post.

So I'm leafing thru the Saturday Computer Section.. whoops, sorry,
Saturday Sports Section of the Los Angeles Times this morning (must be
ads for 50 different computer dealers in there each week) and noticing
the usual lack of the word "AMIGA" popping out from the ads, I'm about
ready to flip it on the stack'o'newspapers when sure enough, out pops
that word at me. But not from one of the usual dealers' ads in which
I'm accustomed to seeing it... nope it's in the 1/3 page ad from
"Freeway Stores" a nine-chain So. Calif purveyor of office supplies
and eqpt., and recently computers. So there, buried amongst the
screaming type for IBM Clowns and Macs is a 2" square box proclaiming
Freeway Stores as "we are Amiga Central" and blurbing an A500 bundle,
"ask us about CDTV", Toasters, and etc. 

"How could this possibly be.. a new Amiga dealer in town and a 9-store
chain no less?" and then it hit me like a hot kiss at the end of a
wet fist (apologies to Nick Danger)... this must be a result of CBM's
new alliance with mega-distributor Merisel which, if you'll excuse me
for verbing a noun, press-released a couple months back.  One of the
Freeway Stores' stores is just a couple miles from me so I guess I'll
have to motor on down and check this out for myself. If I find a dusty
500 buried in a corner, powered off, and surrounded by 2 or 3 software
packages selling at above retail I'll be sure to come back here and
let everyone know :),  but meanwhile, if you're in the SoCal area
and have a Freeway Store near you too, ya might wanna do likewise.

Parenthetically, the Fwy Stores store near me is about 5 miles up the
road from Creative ("world's largest Amiga dealer") retail store in
Lawndale, a place I visit often, and every time I see someone post
their laments about the pitiful condition of their local Amiga dealers,
or extreme lack thereof, I wish I could teleport them thru the modem
and drag them down to Creative and just show them the place. Most of
my visiting out-of-town friends are simply astounded when they see
the amount and diversity of stock this store has in its showroom.
Please don't take this as an ad for Creative. I'm just a usually-
satisfied customer of theirs.

Harv
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Complaining
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 11:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.014128.7598@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>
>   I, like others, have been following this newsgroup recently with sheer
>dread - it's become a big, worldwide bitching session. "Commodore can't do
>this right... Commodore can't do that right... why would Commodore do that...
>why won't Commodore do this..." And so on.
>   People, it's getting old. Really old. Everyone wants a better Amiga.
> [....]
>   If you can't say anything constructive, don't say ANYTHING at all. 

This group has hardly changed since its inception.  If you don't
like it, unsubscribe.  Personally I'm amazed anyone from C= reads it! 

>Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 

-- 
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  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:39:27 GMT

In article <193576@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov> pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
>Note the other qualification in my original posting--when somebody's
>experience differs from mine "in a large way".  Once again, the fault
>is mine for being too vague in my choice of words.  I should also add
>that an additional qualification is the tone of the posting.  If I
>read a posting that says something like, "MS-DOS sucks and Windows is
>a joke.  It takes 30 minutes to start up and you can watch the screens
>update because it's dog slow."  I naturally assume this is an advocacy
>posting and not intended to be taken seriously and respond accordingly
>(usually with some mild flamage).

That's my point exactly!  The poor fellow who is taking 30 minutes to start
up Windows could have either a hardware or software configuration problem
and instead of trying to find out *why* it takes so long, the tendancy here
is to call the fellow a liar.  I know, because I was on receiving end and
was explaining my experiences with Windows (I thought rather nicely, actually)
when I was basically called a liar.  I didn't like it when it was done to me
and am very saddened at the frequency it is done to others here.  A little
thoughtful questioning would easily reveal what the posters motives are.
Is common courtesy too much to ask for in any conference?
>
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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 ?    Yah... Right...
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:18:33 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Mon 16 Aug 92  6:47, Das9674@usl.edu (stephenson Daniel 
wrote:

 DD> With Windows tremendous popularity, saying that it isn't doing 'well'
 DD> compared to Windows is a far cry from it not selling 'well'.  If OS/2
 DD> 2.0 sells about as much in a year as total Amigas have sold in 7
years,
 DD> that doesn't
 DD> say too much for the Amiga, does it? And I don't hear Amigans bashing
 DD> their Amis because sales do not compare to Windows sales, do I?  

Since when do we start comparing hardware sales to software sales?   Frig! 
Let's be a bit more realistic here, Mr. O/S 2 Is God.

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: superham
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:55:24 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> Especially where games are concerned, the installed base of systems
-> with
-> high-res 8-bit color is more important than the simple availablility
-> of systems with 8-bit color.  Apple has been selling the LC since
-> very early in 1990, and SVGA cards have been available longer than
-> that.  In this respect, Commodore is many years behind Apple and the
-> PC clones crowd, because there probably will not be an installed base
-> of Amigas with 8-bit graphics even equal to the current installed
-> base of Mac LC's for a couple of years at least.  In the meantime,
-> while Commodore is attempting to catch up with the installed base of
-> inexpensive systems with high-res 8-bit graphics, the other systems
-> will continue to grow.  For Commodore, it will be like trying to
-> catch up with a moving vehicle that continues to accelerate away from
-> them.

 Apple has been selling the LC since 1991 not 1990. IBM VGA cards have
been around longer then that. However, VGA only picked up in 1990.

 As for upgrades. Apple and IBM have their major upgrade. THey won't be
upgrading their graphics cards for a while. If Commodores rumoured AA
chipset has a 256,000 Ham-E mode it will already be ahead of standard
Apple (LC) and IBM (VGA) standards. As for the current installed base of
LC computers out there. There aren't as many as you think. If Commodores
new graphics chipset is upgradable you will see more then a few systems
out there with the new chipset. Everyone I know is ready and willing to
upgrade thier systems. I'm sure everyone on this net is also willing and
ready to upgrade to a better graphics standard.
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:45:38 GMT

In article <9529@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>HAM is contrary to your opinion the most efficient (in time and memory)
>method to display brilliant pictures. As it needs so little memory
>(only 6 bits per pixel), it also makes for the fast animation capabilities.

   I know some people here who will strongly disagree with you.  HAM is nice
in that it can compress 12 bitplanes to 6, or 18 bitplanes to 8, or 24
bitplanes to 10.  And I wish Commodore had exploited HAM's real potential
sooner, by developing a 10-bit HAM mode a long time ago.  But HAM is 
hardly the only way to achieve this kind of color compression.  DYUV (which
is used in the DCTV and CD-I systems) achieves this with far better results.

>
> >	Whats this ages?  I believe the Amiga as has maximun resolution 
> >	of 640 x 400 and 16 colors out of 4096 (interlaced) since it 
> >	came out.  
>
>Not correct. Since two years we have ECS where you can go up to 1280 x 512
>plus overscan, though only 4 colors.

   A mucho flicker.

>-- 
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>				   or  peterk@public.sub.org

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    "Beware the ides of September..."

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:34:21 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug13.220957.8307@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>	Not to mention the fact that the 040 Amiga is selling for $5100.
>>    I'll bet you will be able to get a loaded 486DX2-66 for a lot less
>>    then that.
>
>Of course, but that is useless of one wants AmigaDOS.
>

Which, of course, is useless if one wants to run applications like Word,
Excel, CorelDRAW, FrameMaker, Borland C++, etc.

Seriously, Gerald, how long can you play with the OS until you start looking
for something else to do with the machine?

>
>-- Gerald
>
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From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:27:27 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <34402@cbmvax.commodore.com> campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS) writes(to Marc Barrett):
>
>However, I find the manner that you choose to express your views (extremism,
>half truths, inflamatory choice of words, etc...) to be very
>counter-productive.  I would suggest ways to channel your energies more
>positively, but it appears those ideas would not be of interest to you.
>

A couple of points...

It's not, Commodore's recent plea to the contrary, Marc's >job< to be
productive.  He's the customer.  This isn't a high school football
game;  we're under no onus to be true to our school.

The above aside, Marc >has< been productive.  I haven't seen or heard
word one about an upgrade to AmigaVision until now, in response to his
post.  Yours is the first official mention of it I've seen in nearly a
year.  When it stopped shipping with new Amigas there was a huge hue and
cry here, and the only word from you guys was "don't panic!".

bill
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 *                                                              *
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      felt to be kinda stunted in a way."
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XY + XX = :-)
From: nyberg@willow.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason William Nyberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Machines as of September
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:01:49 GMT


-Sorry to crush any A4000 rumors, but as of the September issue of 
-AmigaWorld, Commodore is now selling an '040 A3000T complete with monitor 
-for something like $5999.00 retail US.  On the otherhand, if the AA 
-machine actually do come out later this year, why bring out an ECS '040 
-machine? Hmmm, makes ya wonder....

Look, if Commodore said they would be making several large announcements
starting in September,  why are people thinking that these peices of
"old news" (It was on the net about the A3000T w/040 about a month ago)
are the big announcements!?!?  Is it me or is it still August?
Everybody shut up and wait 'till September before you start yappin'
about not getting what you want.

-
-
-                       -Andy
-
- This is from
-     adrake@bluemoon.rn.com
-who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet

-- 
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nyberg@ctron.com

"Work is the curse of the drinking class"      W. C. Feilds

Disclaimer: My opinions are just that...
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug21.002737.24158
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <mykes.0cxq@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.235018.5609@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>> >
>> >>on my basic premise -- The AMIGA will die a slow agonizing death unless good
>> >>standard spreadsheet and wordprocessing software packages become available
>> >>for it SOON!!!!
>> >
>>
>> 	In a previous post it was mentioned that the advantage of OS/2 is
>> that it runs DOS and windows. Yet the amiga runs MAC software better than
>> OS/2 does DOS and windows.
>
>Of course, I differ.  When I can run Mac software on a screen and still
>have Workbench running, then Mac software is running on the Amiga like
>OS/2 runs DOS and windows.

   Yes and no.  A good Mac II emulation product like Emplant will keep the
Amiga selling, but it could also keep it from expanding with a good base of
unique Amiga software products, much as C-64 compatibility prevented the
C-128 from having a good base of C-128 software.  

>Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
>Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024

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     "Beware the ides of September..."
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: People, CALM DOWN!
Date: 11 Aug 92 11:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Aug11.042800.24226@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
 >In article <9506@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
 >>In article <1992Aug10.071311.3987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
 >> >It would have been quite possible for C= to double the
 >> >clockspeed of the chipset, 
 >>
 >>You're wrong. 
 >
 >Am I?  I never said it would be easy. 
 >
 >>It's not at all "quite possible". Please learn a bit more
 >>about the technology used there, its abilities (and the time-consuming
 >>efforts it would have taken to change these base facts), before you
 >>post such assumptions.
 >
 >Okay Dr. Kittel, why isn't it possible?  Technical reasons please.

Ok: You must consider NMOS, *not* CMOS. Got it?

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From: m91kgh@tdb.uu.se (Karl-Gunnar Hultland)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:43:27 GMT

stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski) writes:
: In article <1992Aug8.204921.11217@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
: >In <1992Aug8.114151.3315@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
: >>	This is pure unadulterated BS.  What is multimedia????
: >>	I guess according to *YOU* it is something Mircosoft  thought up.
: >
: >Sure.. Microsoft started inventing BASIC, the Disk Operating System, 
: >the graphical user interface using Windows and the Mouse.
: >
: >You can clearly read that from the names they give their products.
: 
: You're joking, right?  Tell me you're joking!  If not, then you're really
: showing your ignorance.
: 
: Apple was into GUI way before Microsoft, and Xerox was way ahead of
: Apple (which stole the interface from the Star).  While Bill Gates 
: started Microsoft by marketing a microcomputer-based Basic, he did not
: invent the language.  Also, MS-DOS was really bought from another
: company which developed a CPM-workalike for 8086 machines

Well I considered that article as being satiric. As you already
have pointed out Microsoft hasn't really been developing original
products.

			Karl
-- 

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m91kgh@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Rumors and illegal postings hurt us all
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:37:00 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

>>At the Denver DevCon last September there was a noticable attempt to 
>>weed out those "developers" who were just the hangers on, the Amiga 
>>groupies who have no intention of ever developing a product. 

As I understand the Commodore developer program, there are several levels
from Cerified, where all you do is pay $75 per year, and as a result get special
benifits to commercial develeoper which is beyond the price range of "The Amiga
Groupie"

>Why is this necessary?  You pay good money to be in the developer
>program.  It's not free, and it doesn't cause Commodore to lose
>anything!

I might become a developer, just do find out what really exists, enough of
this V39 AA 040/33 rumor stuff.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: andrey@harry.ugcs.caltech.edu (Andre Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore show
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: harry.andrey.714243138
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:

>Who is going to the World of Commodore show, Pasedena, CA? 

	I'll probably be going (it's just 1 mile from 
Caltech), so I could post information.  If anyone has
any specific things or questions they'd like me to look
into or ask about, I'd be glad to.  Just send me some
email.

--Andre

--
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:06:33 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug16.112201.10487@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>I have to ask how on earth PC video cards manage to achieve such high 
>resolutions so cheaply?  How do they get the bandwidth?  Surely they can't 
>all use VRAMS?

I'm pretty sure many of them use VRAMs, which are only about 20% more expensive
than DRAMs these days.  They could also use DRAMs with page-mode access -- any 
cards that have processor access slowing down when higher resolutions are 
selected are virtually assured of not using VRAMs.  Also, cheap PC cards have 
no need to be video compatible, so they can run off different speed pixel 
clocks (and memory clocks) depending on the resolutions needed.  That screen 
jump you see when you change video modes on PC cards (noticably missing on 
Amigas) is a PLL synching up to a different pixel clock rate.

>>So, without a major overhaul of the Amiga bus access design, a double-speed 
>>memory cycle isn't going to help any.  

Well, a true double speed mode wouldn't be much of a problem from the bus 
architecture point of view.  The problem is that memory going that fast is
still a premium.  Going to a fractional speed increase is a problem with the
current chipset, since you lose video compatibility and since lots of other
things, like floppy and sound, are dependent on the chip bus speed.

>Hmmm.  I'm now wondering where the Amiga can go from here.  If doubling
>the clockspeed doesn't produce results, what changes could be made
>in the future to improve performance?  

There are plenty of things that can improve Amiga chip bus speed.  We have more
than enough architectural ideas floating around to take care of most of the
problems, eventually.  But obviously, any drastic changes take a long time and
risk low-level compatibility, so they have to be done very carefully.


-- 
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: No alchemy required was Re: HAM/SuperHAM
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:42:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <l8o5k9INNih1@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
>By the way, I'd like to see you turn sand into silicon.  Especially with
>just a wave of your hand, like Billy Gates of Microsquish can.  :)

It's not just Bill. We all can do it! The first thing you learn how to
do when you get to Microsoft is how to turn raw beach sand into
a 486/50 tower with BASIC in ROM! After that we learn how to turn
lead into gold. Remember the MS motto: "A computer on every desk and in
every home and too much sand in your socks".

>
>-- 
>Richard
>


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