HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:17:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Dec7.152859.4110@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
->In article <1992Dec4.230809.21500@news.acns.nwu.edu>, zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
->
->>   Last, I do not think I will treat any of my old friends differently.  Why? 
->> I do not believe in treating people differently.  And if I do, then I may want
->> to get away from some of them in hope they do not look down on me just because
->> they earn more money.
->> 
->	** I did not say you will treat your mainland friend differently
->	   (however, I did not say you won't either. Chances are that you
->	   will but without knowing it). What I said is that your 
->	   friend will think that you treat them different from what you
->	   did because you are in US for so many years.
->
->	** I don't believe a mainlander who visited US for several years
->	   will give the same impression to his fellow countryman.

I don't know if I treated my mainland friends differently or not.  And
you might be right, chances are that I might but not knowing about it.
But one thing I know for sure, I will always feel closer to my mainland
friends than I will ever with a Taiwanese no matter how long I have been
or will be in US, with the kind of arrogant attitudes exhibited constantly
by you Taiwanese (see your own post below).

->
->	** Just let you know one more thing I know about mainlanders:
->	   In general, mainlanders are easier to change their living
->	   attitude by environments.

Geez, I always believe it's the other way around.



In article <1992Dec7.153535.4111@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
->->In article <1992Dec4.230809.21500@news.acns.nwu.edu>, zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
In article <1992Dec4.224526.9056@midway.uchicago.edu>, shi6@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Xiangdong Shi) writes:
->> 
->> Give me a break man, do you think with a hundred bucks in your pocket
->> you can pretend to be "Da Yie"(FYI, your dady's older brother) in
->> mainland? Let me tell you, the fastest growing auto market will be china
->> in the next five to ten years. Come on, mainland can make audi and VW itself,
->> they are not even fashionable now. People like Lincoln, Cadillac and
->> probably Benz (I guess that's one of the reason Benz were stolen from HK
->> by mainlanders). My brother may get a Benz before you do.-)
->> 

->	** Even your brother get a car, with a few hundred bucks,
->	   I can still be treated as a Da Yie in "many" places of 
->	   China for the next 10 years.

->	   After that, a few thousand bucks can still do the job.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Prophecy
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:21:11 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <9212160816.AA23381@tpts1.seed.net.tw> idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR) writes:
>        Before saying good-bye to the year 1992, I cannot help being
>inquisitive of the whereabout of the prophet who used to put "In 1992
>R.O.C.'s Li Huan will liberalize Mainland China." (cannot recall the
>original quote; the meaning is close, though) in his .signature file. %^)
>
>--
>Hsu-Ku "Bruce" Ying                E-Mail: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw

Sounds like some rumours out of Hong Kong after the 6-4 massacre.
The prophecy was Push-Back-Diagrams (Tui1 Bei4 Tu2).

What a coincidence, I was wondering about that too... :>

NGOK
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Candidates supporting TI need your support(I)DIR
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:19:18 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1g813fINNcqd@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
> Following is a list of candidates supporting TI. They need your support 
> very badly. 

	** I am glad to hear you say that.

	   That means they would not be elected.
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:05:17 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1992Dec19.225713.1143@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> uang@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Big win for DPP. Set back for the Nationalist Government.
>Yea Uang (uang@lmsc.lockheed.com)
>Lockheed Missiles and Space Company
>Sunnyvale, CA 94089
>(408)-742-2809 Phone
>(408)-742-6428 Fax

Cheer for Taiwan independence ! Cheer for DPP ! Cheer for democracy !
Down KMT, down CCP.

Yi-Chieh
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16371 soc.culture.china:33229
From: haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:55:01 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>
>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>
>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
>much better than the Chinese culture.

   I cannot believe what I am reading after I promised myself to quit
netting for a few days. 

   I am astonished by your pure colonial running dog attitude. It seems
that the different between some of us is much more deeper than I
thought. If you think that a generation of colonization, been robbed of
natural resources and man power, been sent overseas to commit war crime
on behalf of Japanese, etc. is worth it just for the sake of 'to
experience another culture', I would not argue with you any further. Go
ask some Koreans, I am sure they will not cherish their colonization
from the Japanese.


					Haiying
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16113 soc.culture.china:32530 soc.culture.hongkong:16205
From: wkau+@cs.cmu.edu (Wing Keung F Au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: don't crosspost unnecessarily please
Keywords: crossposting, politics, talk
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:22:33 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie My-Love


I know politics is just like religion that you can't really change
what others think.  the talk.politics.china is created for the die
hard politics people to talk politics and leave the soc.culture.[tch]
groups lighter for the more "cultural" topics.

Please, please, unless it is news, otherwise, please DO NOT crosspost
political discussions to soc.culture.[cth].  those who are interested
have already subscribed (though it doesn't waste too much more if you
cross-post, it is very annoying to see 60 new messages, and get only
15 after my KILL file takes care of the political debates) to tpc.

-- 

				    FRed W. Au
				    ...!cmu.edu!au+, au+@cmu.edu
From: hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Henry S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: The detail of 1992 election in Taiwan
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:49:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Election news from Taiwan:
The news is from Taiwan by Fax:
KMT----53.0% votes-------102 seats(included non-area and forign-Taiwanese)
DPP----31.0% votes-------50  seats (  "  )
Ind----0.6%  votes-------8   seats(none)


The DDP candidates won the highest votes in 
Tainan City----Shih, Min-Der--- 75,468 votes
Tainan Hsien---Soo, Hwan-Chu---105,073 votes
ChiaYi City----Tsi, Ton-Ron---- 58,145 votes
ChiaYi Hsien---Tsi, Su-Yuan---- 63,612 votes
ChanHua Hsien--Yao, Cha-wen---- 85,493 votes
Kaohsiung Hsien-Yu, Gern-Hsien-104,729 votes
Kaohsiung City-Lee, Chin-Shon-- 94,323 votes--north area
              -Huang, Chow-hwai 58,094 votes--south area
PinTong Hsien--Soo, Chia-Chen-- 78,181 votes
NanTao Hsien---Pern, Bi-Hsien-- 91,526 votes
YunLin Hsien---Lio, Dar-Lin---- 66,017 votes
HsinChu City---Ker, Chan-Min--- 44,313 votes
HsinChu Hsien--Lin, Kwan-Hwa--- 70,731 votes
Taipei City----Sern, Fu-Shion-- 73,726 votes--south area

Singer Ya, Chi-Ten also win in the election at Taipei Hsien.
Taiwan Independent Association member, Chen, Wan-Jern also win at Taipei hsien.
Both Hsien, Chan-Tin and Chen, Shwai-Ben win at Taipei City--north area
Kwan,Chon, also win at Taipei City, but his votes are low in north area.
Former Chairman of DPP--Huang, hsin-Cha lose at haw-Lan--need additional 62 votes to win.
Tsow, Sow-kan win at Taipei Hsien--the highest votes in Taiwan!
Wang, Gan-shan win at Taipei City--north area--the highest votes.
Hsui, Shio-dan (the girl who displayed her body to people) lose in Kaohsiung City, need additional 107 votes to win.
Chen, Jer-Nan, who was fired by KMT during the election win at Kaohsiung City-north area.
Wang, Len-Lern( the boss of Lee-Bar Group) loss at this election.
Former Vice Chairman of Legistration Yuan--Sern, Soo-Shion loss at this election.
Former Chairman of Taiwan Province Congress--Kao, Yu-Zern win at Tainan Hsien

Most of the names are translated by myself.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16378 soc.culture.china:33243
From: jxl43@po.CWRU.Edu (Jianfeng Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:32:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Everyone,chinese or not,I respect you all without condition.
But I do want to tell you that I feel sad from time to time after
I read what some of you had posted.
I can not find a single reason why we have to struggle so hard to
get a chance to slap each other on face.
Look back into history,we chinese(or I shall omit the"we") did
contribute a lot to the world.It is chinese helped the rest of the
world speed up the spread of knowledge(by inventing mass paper
manufacture technique,later how to print),etc,ect.... It is chinese
who gave hope to the pre-civilization era european that live can be
better,human is different from beast.
We shall notice that history doesn't always follow our good will.
After generations of searching for eastern good(the italian city
states first,then the portuguese,then the spaniards,later the rest
of european),the condition to the birth of modern civilization was
more or less ready in the west.We have to admit that modern civilization[D[is far more human than its predecessor.Although the process to 
realize it is far from humanity.

To China, being the super power for over 15 centuries(from -300 to
+1,200),chinese enjoied a far more advanced society than the rest
of the world.We, the chinese as a whole ,lost our ability on judgment.
WE(our ancestor) took whatever already existed be granted.WE forgot
the world which contain us is a dynamic system.Everything is in 
constant motion.Sometime the speed might slower,but never equal to 
zero.

Because of our this defect,we had experienced being defeated,
humiliated.But,my fellow being,you should not give up. Nobody 
shall belong to the dump field.

Human society is just like a super big family,every race is a 
member of the familty.WE all are running in the history,at one
time ,one of teh members may be the leader, some other time ,
another one may take over.However,everyone shall believe in 
himself for being the best.

Look at the part of today's world which dominated by the western 
culture, one fact is crystal clean.That is their leadship is 
no longer belongs to the no-question category.

It is not only because we are proud of being chinese,but also
our responsibility to take over the leadship in next century.
We have no reason just login and throw eggs at each other.
Please do things which are constructive. Please be prepared for
the coming century.

We are the only capable candidate for the leadship.
Come on,be a member of the family which will make history again.
a chinese,
Jianfeng Li,
Physics Department,
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland ,Oh 44106
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: The depreciation of RMB
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:19:48 GMT

In article <liqfk2INNias@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>Folks,
>
>If you have noticed, the value of RMB is going down and down.
>It has been depreciated many times since the China door is open.
>It has been in flexible rate day to day, city to city (I wonder
>why it changes city to city).
>
>It may go down 10:1 against the US dollar soon!
>If you have held RMB, take action to change the money now
>before it is too late!
>
If you think you have been ripped off by paying 3 times the price in
China, then please hold the US $$ until next century.

Tingli Pan   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo)
Subject: Re:    HATE EACH OTHER ? TIME FOR TIAWAN INDEPENDENCE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:41 EDT  

In article <1992Dec15.200206.4980@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes...
>In article <92350.105600U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> 
>>Taiwan has been "virtually" independent for more than 40 years. It is just a
>>matter of "mental recognition"problem that both sides are still claiming
>>representation of each other. Of course, the international politics has to
>>be taken into account. But, tell me, how are we gonna "unify" these two areas,
>>where people hate each other, and where there is so much difference ?
> 
>Because it will be eventually good for both parts, IMO.
> 
>However, I think that to reunite or not to reunite is a decision that must be
>made by the residents of Taiwan.  No one should be able to force their will
>on the decision, which should take all factors, including the threat of a
>mainland military invasion, under consideration.  I advocate a union; I also
>advocate the right to independence (but *don't* advocate independence).

	This is one of the best postings concerning about TI/Unification
	issue.  I agree with Nelson wholeheartedly, although we have a
	slightly different stand.  I advocate an independent state of
	Taiwan; and I also advocate the right of unification (but DON'T
	advocate unification with China).  The reason
	is that unless there is a dramatic change in Mainland China's
	political structure I don't see any hope of democracy in China.
	If you still have any hope in CCP, please read the constitution
	of PRC and understand how the power is formed and tell me how
	CCP can reform the political structure to become more democracy.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
OA Guo                        |My statement does not reflect NASA's point of
NASA - Lewis Research Center  |view.  Nor should NASA's statements reflect
Cleveland, Ohio               |my point of view.
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Clarify your subject (Was Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan)
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:57:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

Hi netters,

This thread,"Watching CCTV in Taiwan," has deviated from the original
subject.  Some people discuss of buying cars in China and Taiwan; some
people discuss the TV news and Cable-TV in Taiwan.  Different subjects
share the same subject title.

Would you be kind to people like me, who read the news group by subjects'
keywords, not one by one?  All my request is please make sure your
subject line is consistent with your post content, before you send it
out.  Your little effort will save others time a lot.  Don't be so lazy,
pals.

Chen, Nien-Po		npchen@physics.purdue.edu
Dec. 11, 1992
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Clarify your subject (Was Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:18:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <8907@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen) writes:
> Hi netters,
> 
> This thread,"Watching CCTV in Taiwan," has deviated from the original
> subject.  Some people discuss of buying cars in China and Taiwan; some
> people discuss the TV news and Cable-TV in Taiwan.  Different subjects
> share the same subject title.
> 
> Would you be kind to people like me, who read the news group by subjects'
> keywords, not one by one?  All my request is please make sure your
> subject line is consistent with your post content, before you send it
> out.  Your little effort will save others time a lot.  Don't be so lazy,
> pals.
> 
> Chen, Nien-Po		npchen@physics.purdue.edu
> Dec. 11, 1992


	** Nice try. 

	   But I tell you: it won't work on SCT. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: AHK012@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Lucien Wang)
Subject: Re: 91 election news
Organization: Motorola
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:32:50 HKT

From South China Morning Post in Hongkong, it reads

Quote

Election officials said final results showed the KMT .. had won 96
seals in the 161-seat Legislative Yuan.

The leading opposition Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) won 50 seats,
while independents and candidates of minor parties won the remaining 15.

..

The KMT won 53 percent of 9.5 million votes cast and DPP 31 percent.

Unquote
------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Hi,
   I just called home (Taiwan) and got some new news about the results of
   Election. The Former Financial Minister, Wang Jen-Shen, got the highest
   poll in Taipei. Also Chao Shao-Kon got high poll. Kuan Chung and Wong
   Da-Min were also elected.The former chairman of DDP, Hwang Shin-Kai,
   failed in Hualien.

   From: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
   Time: Dec. 20, 1992 2:00 AM

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16351 soc.culture.hongkong:16532 soc.culture.china:33202
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (GJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: UPI news about Taiwan's election
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:55:10 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


On clari.news.gov.international

GEORGE WEHRFRITZ 59  >Multi-party democracy emerges in Taiwan
elections

Check it out.

Can't wait to see an opposition party becomes a ruling one. Real
democracy is not far away, just need more awareness. No one in Taiwan
likes CCP. One country with two systems is no answer. If CCP can not
satisfy HKers, how can it satisfy Taiwanese? Everyone of us wants the
democracy what western European or American is enjoying. KMT is losing
support partly because its pace is too slow toward the goal. 

Every time I see a political artical written by mainlander, I bypass
them. Too many of them are so brainwashed by CPP that any reading or
arguing  is just a waste of time. 

Democracy takes time. Unification is possible only if people on both
sides have the same awareness. Unless CCP is willing to lose power, I
don't see it can happen any time soon. 

Gavin 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u333057@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
Subject: Shit CCP!
Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:35:53 GMT

I agree with your point very much.I'm a Taiwanese,too.The CCP want us Taiwanese to give Chinese help(Money,Jobs,Travel income,etc).But they urge all the countries all over the world"Don't make friend with Taiwan"!!Shit CCP!
(Forgive my poor English..)       A Taiwanese student in Taiwan.
From: ycao+@pitt.edu (Yousheng Cao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Watching CCTV in US(was Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan)
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:17:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Now CCTV is broadcasting in North America, too. Using a small satellite dish
you can receive a free CCTV in US and Canada. For more information, please
call (412)621-4214, fax (412)687-4663 or send a self addressed envelop
with 29 cents stamp to Hannah & Hanson Newtech, 3333 Juliet ST, Pittsburgh,
PA 15213. Watching a CCTV in US, you will have more topic to discuss in 
this group.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **)
Subject: test
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Reply-To: mario@meng.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:33:54 GMT

test

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16313 soc.culture.china:33143
From: hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:42:53 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tamu.edu

In article <BzH482.8pv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
|>
|>The way I see it, China, Taiwan, and Japan were all on
|>the about same level after the second world war.  All three
|>entities had taken a beating and most of the industries
|>were damaged.
|>
|>Japan was able to recover in less than 40 years.  Taiwan's
|>"miracle" is actually nothing to be proud of because compared
|>to Japan's recovery it is still second best.  China, on the
|>other hand, severely messed up and lost a golden window of
|>opportunity to catch up with the industrialized nations during
|>the last 40 years.
|>

Do you know that Japan use less than 1% (2% laterly) of the money 
in defense?
Do you know Taiwan spend more than 50% (40% laterly) of the money
in denfense?
With this in mind, Taiwan SHOULD be PROUD of being No. 2.

|>China's inability to catch up is due to the fact that the
|>leaders in China were brainwashed by a drug invented by the
|>whiteman called "communism".
|>
|>It is sad to see another generation of future Chinese
|>leaders being currently brainwashed by another whiteman's
|>drug called "democracy".
|>
|>
|>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen)
Subject: Re: Prophecy
Organization: /homes/ychen/.organization
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:03:22

In article <9212160816.AA23381@tpts1.seed.net.tw> idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR) writes:

   From: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR)
	   Before saying good-bye to the year 1992, I cannot help being
   inquisitive of the whereabout of the prophet who used to put "In 1992
   R.O.C.'s Li Huan will liberalize Mainland China." (cannot recall the
   original quote; the meaning is close, though) in his .signature file. %^)

Me too. But don't forget that there are still two weeks to go. Things
can go wrong at any time....... BTW, where are you, Mr. See Far?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.india