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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Dilemma
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:33:37 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Interesting dilemma:

Imagine a college player who steals a car and is sent to jail.
Off he goes. End of career. Imagine a 14 year old who joy rides in
a car with his buddies. They are caught and he is sent to a detention
center for a couple of weeks. Does the kid have a record? What would
you think of your coach if he later recruited him? Or an opposing
coach? Would "your" coach be doing the compassionate thing and
an "opposing" coach be doing a cynical win-at-any-cost thing?
Is there an age limit for that sort of crime? 15? 16? What if the
kid was a brawler. Does violence earn the kid the ash heap? What if
it was violence connected with drugs? Or sex? Several years ago,
there was an 11 year old on our street pushing a baby carriage:
what if one of these 14 year old fathers, unable to cope with the
stress of fatherhood, knifes the girl during an argument about
whether or not she should have the baby? Crime, we are constantly
reminded, is increasing. I have heard statistics that indicate
that at least 1 in 9 black kids will eventually do time. That is
flabbergasting. So, where is this post going? To a concrete 
example.

A kid from Louisville signed with South Carolina last fall. A swingman
with enormous potential. His girl friend broke up with him and in
a fit of depression, he broke into her apartment, stabbed her, and
then attempted suicide. South Carolina immediately dropped him cold.
In the detention center, he finished up his high school requirements,
got some much needed counseling, passed his ACT boards, and is now
ready, but for what? What is the wisdom of the net on his situation?
There was an article in the local paper on him and his troubles. 
He seems intelligent and more articulate than one would expect. He
doesn't shirk his responsibility and has apologized to South Carolina
for "embarrassing" the institution. So, imagine you're a coach and
the kid approaches you for a shot. What would you do?
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Hurley v. Laettner (was: OKAY, DUKE FANS.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:07:10 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>I like Hurley a lot but I don't think this is so. Laettner is an amazing
>shooter for a man his size and can play, if motivated, very good post defense.
>But Hurley has nothing to apologize for. If you've got a tape of the Vegas
>game, look at how much off of him the "quicker" Vegas guards played.
>R-E-S-P-E-C-T.  I don't know if he'll be able to make the transition to the 
>pro game, but I hope so. (Every one compares him to Stockton, but Hurley IS 
>a little guy. Stockton isn't muscular exactly, but he looks strong.) But 
>there is still next year to watch him, anyway. Parks will be a much bigger 
>low post target than Laettner, so you know Hurley will have a good shot at 
>the collegiate assists record.

	The thing about Hurley is that he's really grown as a player in each
	of his years at Duke.  Especially since he stopped whining this season,
	I've grown to respect much more as a player.  If U look at his stats,
	his shooting has improved dramatically each year he's been in college.
	And, he does seem to hit those key shots -- I can't remember a time
	he didn't break the opposing team's back w/ a clutch 3-pter.  I think
	that Hurley should be able to make the transition to the pros just fine.
	There are "littler" guys in the NBA than him.  As far as the 
	comparison to Stockton -- I think it holds pretty well.  Especially
	now that Hurley has developed his outside shooting.  Hurley's deft
	ball-handling, crisp passing, pestering defense, and leadership
	qualities should get him a spot on somebody's roster -- if not as a
	1st round pick.

	Jazzy J
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From: egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:01:19 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr3.031112.11711@rice.edu>, rbutera@sawwhet.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:

> The local paper here reported that Rolli was the school administration's choice,
> citing his 100% graduation rate of any player that stuck with him for 4 years.
> Is this true?  I think it is a good thing that the administration of UNLV
> likes him.  Obviously they wanted a coach from a school with a pretty good
> academic reputation, even for their athletes (Rice's now ex-coach was 
> rumored to have turned down an offer from UNLV).

	First of all, I have heard that Rollie was a mere third choice that
UNLV had to settle for so I don't think that UNLV administrators were as 
concerned about graduating the players as one might be lead to believe.

	Secondly, it is true that Rollie had a 100% graduation rate ( I think
he graduated 62 players of 62 who stayed with the program.)  Rollie is well
known for driving through campus on his golf cart in order to make sure his 
players were actually in class.  I don't think Rollie will have such an easy
time academically at UNLV as at Villanova.  Generally the players at Villanova
were very intelligant and articulate.  Most players chose Villanova for its
academic reputation (I beleive its admission requirements are around 1100-1150
minimum SAT score.)  UNLV's teams have always had true basketball talent, 
something Villanova rarely had.  Most of the time, athletic ability and
intellectual prowess do not go hand-in-hand.  It will be interesting to see
what sort of players Rollie attracts:  Student-athletes or pure athletes.

					Later,

					Brian Egras
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:49:04 GMT

DON'T WE ALL WISH!!!!!!!!!!!

THE HYPEMAN
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison)
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:13:34 GMT

>In article <1992Apr10.184028.6292@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes: 
> This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you net.gods
> at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
> honest - no false claims.

Well, I'm 5'7" and have played every position because I've been 5'7" since
I was 14. I played point guard in Jr. High School but that's it as far as  that
goes.. As quoted by a friend "The more improbabble the shot, the more  likely
he is to make it.." Unfortunately the Converse tends to be true as well..

What Kind of player am I?? Well if I've got my head in the game, the
playground point guard you always want, If I don't have my head in the game
a shooting fool and a ball hog..
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                       Still looking for Luthien
maj1@ra.msstate.edu                                  maj1@beren.b17a.ingr.com
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Organization: Junior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 18:51:25 -0400 
From: "Jay S. Chun" <jc6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Will Brian Davis play?

In today's USA Today, it says that Davis will not play.



GO DUKE!!!!!!!!!
From: tbirds@carina.unm.edu (Matthew Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The NCAA controls college basketball
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:58:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.khpjphl
Organization: The Dead Bullwinkle Society

In article <1992Apr6.021933.12559@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> br260@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Helen Knipe) writes:
>
>                    SCREW THE NCAA!!!

	GODDAMN RIGHT!!!!!! AMEN TO SOMEONE WHO RECGOINIZES A CANCEROUS LEECH 
OF AN ORGANIZATION. Quite sorry for the overuse of caps, but I use them when 
genius is written on the net.

-- 
Matthew A Thomas at tbirds@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: 1987 Iowa Hawkeyes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:36:21 GMT

In article <risgpINNevn@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ryne Sandberg) writes:
>
>Did that team win the Big-10 that season?

	No, the 1987 title was shared by Purdue and eventual national
	champ Indiana.  I don't think Iowa has had any part of the Big
	Ten title, despite all of the good teams, since the three-way
	tie involving them, Purdue, and Magic's Team in 1979.  Someone
	will correct me if I'm wrong...

-- 
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| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
From: horan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Donta Bright/UMass/Dana Dingle
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:59:11 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr13.180509.6049@cis.ohio-state.edu>, ellis@cis.ohio-state.edu writes:
> Do any UMass people know if Donta Bright has committed to UMass, verbally or
> otherwise.  Since NBA agents are circulating rumors about Jim Jackson going
> pro, I thought maybe Donta would possibly take his scholarship at Ohio State.

He commited verbally a short time ago.  He's expected to sign soon (isn't the 
date the 15th?).
He'll join Dana Dingle in UMass' recruiting class.  
Does anyone know who Dana Dingle is?  I think he might be from Christ the King,
but I'm not sure.

5000
Gregg Horan
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: NCAA Investigations
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:43:48 GMT

Jazzy posted something about every time the NCAA investigates, they find
something to punish you with so they don't waste a trip and all the money
it takes to investigate. I happen to disagree.

We all have heard about the Kentucky investigation a ways back where
what appeared to be alot of proof of foul play was determined by the
NCAA to be insufficient, and there was no punishment.

The guy in the office next to me is an LSU alum(went to highschool and
college with Pistol Pete) and former athlete there(gymnastics). Last
year he gave me aflier that was passed out at a game he attended there
citing major violations in the LSU program. The flier was purportedly
written by students who suppported a professor who was being harassed
by the athletic dept.(Dale Brown to be specific) for refusing to change
a grade and allow Maurice Williamson to play. The professor got tired
of teh harassment and struck back by "letting the cat out of the bag"
about the LSU program. I posted it at the time almost word for word
off the flier.

Its over a year later, and I have heard not one word of any investigation
by teh NCAA even though I was told my my friend that this was also in
the local papers and on the News that LSU was in trouble with the NCAA.
If its true that the NCAA always nails you right or wrong if they 
investigate, why did Kentucky get off(although I've been told before 
most of the "evidence" was recanted by players), and why isn't LSU on
probation/under investigation now? My guess is they looked at both 
cases and found problems with the case. At Kentcuky the players recanted,
at LSU you have a professor with an axe to grind, maybe he made up the 
whole thing , maybe he didn't, but you can't launch an entire investigation
because one guy types up a flier.

The NCAA makes alot of mistakes, but they have a no win situation, because
of the way the system is set up. They simply can't do what everybody wants
them to do, they don't have the manpower.




Russ Smith
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: Jeff Whitmer <jwhitmer@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Isn't it funny...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:50:25 -0500

In article <1992Apr6.150115.13933@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>It's funny to sit back and read the sophmoric cheers and jeers in this
>newsgroup.  Normally, I would assume that this is the way most of the
>people here are, but I look at some of the sig files and see that most of
>these people have respectable jobs for respectable companies, or at least
>are in graduate school.  Where else do you see senior research scientists
>for major automobile companies saying dumb things like "Ha ha, manure tech
>is not playing basketball any more", or the endless rash of "Our team is
>going to stomp your team" comments.  I bet most of you are polite in public
>and would never act like this.  I guess the computer brings out the worst
>in all of us.
>
>And by the way, I am nicer on the net than I am in public.  I don't let a
>keyboard do my dirty work.
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

So Brian,
	Are you nominating yourself for "Joe McCarthy" of the r.s.bb.c
group? I agree that the content of many of the posts on this net leave
much to be desired, but between my 'KILL' file and 'n', I manage to 
ignore most of it. Why start a firestorm like this when other options
are available?

Just my $.02.
-- 
JEFFREY M. WHITMER - Graduate Student  | Oh let the sun beat down upon my face
Dept. of History/Philosophy of Science |     the stars to fill my dreams
Consultant - Univ. Computing Services  | I am a traveler of both time and space
INDIANA UNIVERSITY                     |       to be where I have been.
jwhitmer@copper.ucs.indiana.edu        |       "Kashmir" - LED ZEPPELIN
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: Women's Championship
Summary: officiating
Keywords: NCAA, women, officials
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:15:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.114857.21829@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>I'm not trying to take anything away from Stanford, but the thing that
>infuriated me about this game was the officiating. They didn't even let
>the players play. I've never seen so many stupid, quick whistles in a
>basketball game, ever. I've never been one to complain about the
>officiating in a game and I'm not saying the officials lost the game
>for Virginia, but it's ashame that the officials don't have the good 
>sense to loosen up and let the players play when so much is at stake. 
>It was not surprising that Virginia couldn't withstand a Stanford
>comeback with three of their starters, including both Burge twins, on
>the bench with 5 fouls. 
>

1.  It certainly helped Stanford that three of Virginia's starters fouled
    out during Stanford's comeback.

2.  It certainly reflects well on Dawn Staley that Virginia still *nearly*
    won the game even without help from the Burge twins.

3.  There are always problems with either "close" or "loose" officiating.
    I would argue with the contention that the officiating controlled
    the outcome of the Stanford-Virginia game, however.  Furthermore, 
    "loose" officiating may result in a slug-fest like W. Kentucky and
    S.W. Missouri in the other semi-final...

				.....Elson.....
From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:56:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr8.185641.2328
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Ralph Kennedy writes:
>I'm tired of seeing terms like that in civilized
>conversation and no longer feel like letting
>them pass.  

Ralph, I hate to say it, but this post really SDDD.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"It's like coppery or goldy, only it's made of iron." Baldrick
From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Multiple Players to NBA (was: Re: Illini - crappy final four team)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:33:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO



fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>and there was an Arizona St team which sent 5 players from what may
>be the most underachieving team in history. I can't recall immediately
>any of their names (the shooting guard for the Lakers was on that
>team).

I think you're recalling the ASU team of the early 1980's (like 1981/82),
which had Lafayette (Fat) Lever, Alton Lister, and Byron Scott (the Lakers
shooting guard).  I don't recall other players from that team, however.
Were there really 5 who went to the NBA?

Lever started at Portland, came to Denver and enjoyed several outstanding
years, then went to Dallas, where injuries have really limited him.  Lister
went to Milwaukee (?) first, then ended up in Seattle (?)  (as you can see,
I don't much care for what happened to Lister).  Scott, obviously, went to
LaLa-land and became part of the championship teams there.

--
Rick Grubin           grubin@ncar.ucar.edu     ...!ncar!grubin
National Center for Atmospheric Research/Research Applications
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University


  The only thing I have to say about Duke:

  Lattner has not been the best player at Duke: It is Bobby Hurley.

  Poor Bobby, so overshadowed by Lattner this year. Funny, but when Wake
  won, Laettner was classless (a technical foul, bad mouthing), and Bobby 
  was out with an injury. I respect him. He has been there for Duke in
  EVERY game when he's been healthy, but Laettner has been there some of
  the time. 



delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


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From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Dook T-shirt???
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:32:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr8.203217.5489
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Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
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In article <17759@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>In rec.sport.basketball.college, morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:
>:I just saw a guy on Franklin Street in Chapel Hill wearing what must
>:have been a recently printed T-shirt.  I couldn't make out all of it,
>:but I did see "The Spectrum" and "Laettner".
>:
>:Oh, and it had a footprint across the chest.
>
>Real cute!  How come this T-shirt was seen in the UNC territory?  Has
>Chapel Hill been overtaken by the Duke fanatics?
>

    Actually, this sounds like MY idea that I got the day after the damn
Kentuciy game.  I wanted to make up shirts with a big sneaker imprint
on the front and the words "Laettner stomped on me too" or something like
that.  I can't imagine any shirt with the footprint could be pro-Dook,
except perhaps one that says "We stomped everyone in the NCAA" or something
like that.  That one would probably sell.

     -- Suffering to no end,

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From: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting: Junior, Jeff Capel
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <craig.703173015@sibelius>, craig@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) writes:
>                                          As for Stackhouse, I heard
>from a friend of a friend of his high school coach that he is leaning
>towards UNC with Duke, FSU and NCSU also on his list.  However, in
>a receint story in the Raliegh paper, Stachouse said that his 
>favorite player is Jordon and his favorite color is blue ( now if
>thats "light blue" then I think he will be a Tar Heel ).
>
>--
I hope the Jordan inverse theorum proves you wrong Craig. Mikes favorite
player was DT. I have no info on colors though, it could be the major
factor. I just hope the N&O doesn't release "The Poole Report-The Movie"
any time soon.
RC
From: klund@guajillo.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:45:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr15.104553.956

In article <1992Apr15.032109.20930@talon.ucs.orst.edu>  writes:
> Laettner got his awards for two major reasons.  
> 1. He plays for the team rated #1 all season--and Shaq got it last year.
> You can bet many sportscasters felt less pressure to make Shaq POY 2  
years
> in a row.
> 
> 2. Laettner is white. The next NBA great white hope.

Why????????  Why does everything have to come down to this?  After the  
first reason I was expecting another well-founded statement, but instead  
got this.  Is there really a driving need to reduce every situation to one  
of racism?  I hate Laettner and Shaq is my favorite player, but I think  
that Laettner deserved to be POY.  Not racist, just the facts.  Laettner  
was the dominating player on the best team (it hurts to say that) in the  
nation.  If LSU was #1, he would have been POY.  The race of the two  
players doesn't make a difference.  Laettner would have deserved it even  
if he was green.

I'm not sure what is worse, the racism thread or the ignorant "<insert  
hated team here> SUCKS!!" and "<insert beloved team here> RULES!!" thread.   
Why don't we just try and stick to intelligent conversations/debates/  
opinions, OK?

Kevin L
> 
> Roy
> luv u 2 dookies