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From: lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:06:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boomboom

In article <1992Oct6.174026.4597@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>positively) and then I had to move on.  What *should* I have said?
>

I would have said something like, "they are a symbol of how open minded I
am sexually."  You'll get many different reactions from this... the usual
leer, confused look and most of the time a knowing look.

  
And to answer someone's post (forget who it was so 1,000 apologies and hugs
to you) regarding being part of a triangle in bed.  This is something I don't
enjoy because 1) someone is always left out, 2) jealousy by the one left
out is always a factor and 3) I'm a one person in bed person and I like
to concentrate all my efforts on that one person.

And another follow up to another post regarding kissing...  This is my 
favorite activity.  I love to kiss and yes there is a big difference
between genders (okay, the goatee is a dead give away *grin*).  IMO, I
enjoy kissing a woman more.  I guess to me it's more erotic, sensual, etc.
Now don't get me wrong, men can be this way but I prefer women.  

Let me stop rambling and get back to work.  So *hugs* *flirt* to y'all!



--
lori.cotton@west.Sun.COM	|   "If I can't be trusted with a choice, then
SunSoft, Inc.			|    how can I be trusted with a child."
Los Angeles, CA			|	Source -- Bumper Sticker
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:30:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: dsg.1992Oct16.113031.9181
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson) writes:
>Of course, it's still kind of difficult for a man to be anal passive with a
>female partner, so I guess I *was* distinguishing for that one...

>[Paul and Ciaran suggest strap-on dildos]

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>What's the emphasis on the 'strap-on' for? Why do they need to be strapped
>on?

It depends on how you define sex. For example, some people may not
consider finger-fucking to be sex, yet it is still a form of
penetration. Similarly, some people would not consider using a
hand-held dildo to be "sex" but _would_ consider it to be "sex" if it
were a strap-on.

Now reread the above paragraph, replacing "sex" with "a way to lose
one's anal virginity".

During the period when one of my female friends was getting used to the
idea of being bisexual, we were having a discussion about sex. I
mentioned mentioned mutual masturbation. The conversation then went:

Friend: But that's not sex
Me:     Huh? What is it then? Foreplay?
Friend: Yes.
Me:     But what if you both come?
Friend: Well... it's still not sex.
Me:     So, are you telling me that you are never going to have sex with
        a woman?
Friend: Well... <gets embarassed and concedes the argument>


Of course, another answer would be:

>What's the emphasis on the 'strap-on' for? Why do they need to be strapped
>on?

You need to strap them dildos to something solid so that you don't lose
them! <*slurp*>


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yet Another Demuffining(sp?)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 05:20:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1b37ciINNdr0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau) writes:
->
->	Well some people might be getting sick of demuffinings (last

Never!

->I'm BiSexual [what a shock on this newsgroup 8^) ]

*gasp* No! Another one of those ?! 

*hugs* *grins* and so on ...

Welcome to the family :)

-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu            bdsm@ocf.berkeley.edu
#include <stdio.h>
float kinsey(){int c=random()%601;return (c/100.0);}
main(){srandom(time(0));printf("And now I'm %.2f\n",kinsey());}
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:02:32 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1avri7INN4q0@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <ZEN.92Oct6233259@death.corp.sun.com> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
>->  But back to your questions... what *should* you have said?  You could
>->try:
>->
>->    If you meet a queer on the road, kill them.
>
>*cough* *sputter* *choke* 
>OK ... call me clueless ...
>Err, huh? What was that?
>-roy, the really befuddled.

It's a (modified) Zen saying, dear.  For "a queer", read "the Buddha", and
"them", "him".

Or kill me.
(Now, will anyone get *that* reference?)

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
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From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: t-shirt idea
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:35:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct9.133025.5326@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
+>bought in Chicago that says "Lick Bush in 92". If anyone knows a source
+>for bumperstickers with this slogan, please let me know.

How about, "Hope Clinton eats Bush".
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Chicago BiNet Meeting canceled
Date: 16 Oct 1992 07:02:07 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct16.050706.2824@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>The Regional BiNet meeting planned for Oct 24 in Chicago has been canceled
>due to an underwhelming response. E-mail me if you are interested in 
>future efforts to reschedule this meeting.
>
>
>-- 
> Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
> alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................

	This post reminded me....I'm contemplating taking a job
in Chicago next year.  Anyone from that area that would be willing
to exchange mail about Chicago.  Things like the cost of living, the 
weather (besides just COLD!), the glb scene, the general social
scene etc.

				Robert

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Femme/Butch in Bisexuality
Keywords: Femme Butch 
Organization: Rational
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:47:05 GMT

yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.180732.1318@rational.com> iw@Rational.COM (The_Virgin_Ho) writes:
>necessarily what *I* call butch.  I think butch/femmeness is an attitude,
>more than anything else, something which is reflected in one's actions and
>mannerisms, speech, dress sense (to a certain extent)... 

I do agree with you about attitude - but I think there that a really
important element of it is in the erotic dialogue that exists between
butch and femme.

>By Iseult's definition, I am definitely butch.  But I still wouldn't call
>myself butch, mostly because I define butch differently.... prime example:
>A woman I spent a lot of time drooling over at this year's Pride festival -
>she wore all black leather all the time, was covered in chains, had a
>shaved head (mohawk style, it was just starting to grow back), and was very
>muscly.  THAT'S what I call butch.  So by that definition, I am not butch

She sounds pretty butch to me.  Where is she ? :-)

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Kilroy
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:54:45 GMT

bethand@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
: 
: Hmmm.... I seem to remember commenting a few weeks ago that a 'Kilroy'
: would probably be no better than Geraldo. I hope I wasn't prophesying
: the outcome as _well_ as the event....

"No better than".  Hmm.  Interesting phrasing.  Having finally seen
a video of Geraldo a little while ago, I wouldn't have called it
any sort of failure.  Charles and Janice were >wonderful<.
Tom Smith (was that he called himself?) was an asshole, and I'm
optimist enough to believe the audience saw that clearly, and in
separation from his bisexuality.  Sure, 99% of the material
went "whoosh" over their heads, but still, what more can we hope for
than exposure of difference?  At least these people have seen that
bisexuality and polyamory are possibilities, that there is no
heavenly thunderbolt provoked if you cross the lines.  Short
term incredulity, or even hostility, can be well worth while,
leading to education and change.

So I hope Kilroy is >even< >better< than Geraldo, but let's face
it, you'll have a hard act to follow in the shape of Charles
and Janice.  [Muses, muses .. well, if anyone could do better,
perhaps Bethan could ... ;-) ]  The very best of luck.

Mike, optimism personified
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yay!
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:55:55 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <MUFFY.92Oct6135951@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.203236.293@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman) writes:
>> Isn't there a difference of facial hair/stubble between men and women
>> that significantly effects the kissing experience?
>Not if the man has a close shave.  In fact, I've gotten in the habit of
>shaving the men I'm kissing myself, before any serious bouts of kissing,
>since they don't really like to shave themselves, and it's kind of a fun
>thing to do to someone (electric razor).

Ewwwww! no thank you!

I'll shave myself, and with a wet razor.  Electric razors really chew up
my skin; and if you think I'm letting anyone come within arm's reach of
me with a potentially-lethal appliance... I can remember Iseult's posts :)

Of course, there are other bits to kiss that don't need shaving...

				Kay

PS: sorry if this is an old or stale thread, but administration of the
news here has transferred from the sublime (us) to the ridiculous (our
computer centre), and thus we're reading news about a week late.  And
this is supposed to be "improved service".  Bah.  Bumhug.
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: "MORAL" Obligations, was: Re: being "in love"
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:04:17 GMT

eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:

>In article <1ati1rINNm9c@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>I generally just avoid the mess and don't tell them :).

>Here's a question I've been struggling with.  I'm out to my younger
>sister, but not to my older--no big deal, just haven't gotten around
>to telling her, yet.  (We don't talk much.)  I'm not out to my mother.
>Should I be?

>So, what's my obligation, here?  Have I a moral duty to advance the
>cause?  And would coming out to my mother, in fact, have that effect??

Eleanor! I've known I was bi for quite some time, and I've been very 'out'
for a long time also. My parents, sibs or any other family member have no
idea about my sexuality. Why? It might be something they will have 
troubles dealing with, and my family has just underwent Legal Binary Fission
(was Divorce) and to be honest now isn't the time or place to tell them.

I don't think anyone has an obligation to tell anyone anything. Their
obligation is to be true to THEMSELVES. Not their parents. It's only a
politically correct notion to be close to your parents. You don't have
to be, though. You didn't choose them, and if you feel an already weak
relationship with them will be compromised, then don't do it. Do it 
when you feel they are ready, and when you are ready.

I'm sick and tired of people shoving their sexuality in other people's
faces (esp. since they TEND to be the ones who scream the loudest when
some homophobe (was Heterosexual) declares their sexuality to them!).
The only argument I can give any credence to is that of education. If you
can educate someone by telling them you are bi or whatever, then do it.
If it will hurt them, then don't. The choice has to be yours, however.
It's just that there are too many people bent on 'outing' others without
any concern for FEELINGS, which is just as valid a concept as SEXUALITY.

--John Rescigno
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm back, I'm back, I'm back!
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:29:57 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Oct13.112919.8693@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <Bw23nG.J6E@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>>After a year's absence, I announce my return to the virtual world.
>
>Yea! Paul's back! Paul's back. Paul's back!
>What else can I say?


Wahey!  Paul!  Paul!  Paul!!! <snug><lick><hug><nuzzle><slurp>  Excellent
to have you back - now, when do you want the Next Edinburgh Visitation?

Anyway... see you in London for the IntlBiCon?  <smooches> and <hugs>
and <nipple-chewings> will be delivered in person, if so...


				elated,
				Kay

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:45:41 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

In article <1bmcbkINNp83@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>OK, well, it is ... it's just that a friend of mine told me about the time
>he was masturbating with a vibrator and did, well, sort of lose it ...

This seems to happen quite often, I wish it were easier to get hold of
vibrators with flanged ends.  Pat Califia says you should have a good go
at trying to shit it out before going to the hospital, and don't wait
for the batteries to run out because they've been known to last longer
than your rectal wall...
  __                                ____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul"   \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tomwhite@well.sf.ca.us (Tom White)
Subject: Re: Spouses of bi's: anybody out there?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:46:02 GMT

In <1992Oct4.032721.4482@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:

>In article <ALAN.92Sep24130144@pluto.osf.org> alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
>>
>>From the ECBN pamphlet, _Bisexual Books of 1991_ (available with other
>>literature and a copy of the _International Directory of Bisexual
>>Groups_ from ECBN, P.O.Box 639, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02140, USA:
>>
>>_The Other Side of the Closet: The Coming-Out Crisis for Straight
>>Spouses_, by Amity Pierce Buxton (IBS Press).  This self-help book for
>>heterosexual half of "mixed-orientation couples" by an
>>educator/counselor and ex-"straight spouse" adds "and"/"or bisexual"
>>to "gay" or "homosexual" throughout as needed, and acknowledges that
>>"bisexuality is a distinct orientation from homosexuality and not a
>>transitional state"; includes thoughtful chapters on "alternative
>>marriage styles" and on parenting issues, with appendices of readings
>>and resources.  Recommended for intended audience (and for bi spouses
>>to read before giving it to them).

>i do not reccommend this book *at* *all*.  the author is 
>an ex-straight spouse with a significant chip on her shoulder.  
>this book makes light of lesbians in straight marriages, and
>doesn't acknowlege bisexual women at all.  and despite that 
>one line differentiating bisexual men and gay men, they are
>referred to as one and the same throughout the rest of the 
>book.  

>do i see that tired old saw again: "bisexual women are really 
>just (sexually wild) straight women, and bisexual men are 
>really just gay men in denial/the closet"?

>*sigh*

>while many (abandoned) spouses of gays and lesbians may 
>find this book helpful, i doubt many bisexuals would think
>so.  many people seem to think this book is very good.  
>personally, i think the only thing recommending it is that
>it *is* the first.  let's hope not the last.  

>peg
>-who is briefly vacationing back on the net this weekend...



I agree that while this book does not give a good picture of non-straight
folks, it does give one a view of what the straight/gay spouse is going
through and how people have dealt with multi-orientation relationships.  I'm
still reading it, and I have found it riveting to read about people who are
going through a similar situation.  I'll report more later.

She also mentions other titles that mostly deal with gay men and straight
women, is there a good bi bibiliography around here?
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:33:17 GMT

<Hello, this is not bcorkum, but hjanules, bcorkum's stylin' girlfriend.  To
the gentleman in South Africa...your question intrigues me.  To answer your
question, at least from my experience, bisexuals don't necessarily mess around
solely with bisexuals.  For example, my last boyfriend was entirely straight,
while in my present relationship, my girlfriend mostly identifies as lesbian. 
As Beth, bcorkum, often says, "people will mess around with anything, as long
as it feels good, regardless of how they identify."  We like the blanket term
"queer", even though I am very concerned with bisexual politics.  Do people
call you "female" because you are "effiminate"?  From some scientific research
I have done (John Money's book, Gay Straight and Inbetween), and my own
personal thoughts, a person's behavior (masculine, feminine, amphibian) has
nothing to do with their sexuality or "what gets you through the night." 
That's all for now.  I'm getting my own vax account as we speak.  More later...-- 
BCorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
The stylin' chick with an attitude. I'm studying video/LBGS/Women's stu.
"Honey there's plastic in the bed." - Heather
"I just might die with a smile on my face afterall." - Morrissey
"I've got more than one membership to more than one club." - Ani Difrancoz
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@ellis.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: D.Y. Rist "Born Gay"
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:00:23 GMT

Has anybody else read the article, "Born Gay?" by Darrell Yates Rist
in this week's Nation (October 19)?  It's a critique of the biological
theories of sexual orientation, and I think the guy's right on target.

He's sympathetic to the reasons these theories are attractive - the
hope that a "we were born that way" argument will increase toleration for
gays, the fact that parents find this a useful theory for unburdening 
themselves of the worry that they "caused" their child to be gay.

But Rist argues that this isn't a very good political tactic in the long
run, and it simply isn't true of people's lives. 

Also, he talks a bit about differences between men and women on the issue
of "biological" causes of queerness, but unfortunately his discussion 
is much too short. 

There's even a curious remark that I took to be almost bi-supremacist:

    [Talking about Kinsey's studies of men in the 1940s]
    In reality, men exlusively "straight" throughout their lives,
    both in thought and deed, are probably as rare as those Kinsey
    found to be exclusively "gay" -- about 4 percent.  Both categories
    probably amount to sexual perversities, if not merely rarities of
    the natural world, and ought to be the subject of intense
    psychological study and possible treatment.

Has anybody else read the article?
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: NJ/NYC bisocial!
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:14:50 GMT

Don't forget!  Thursday (Oct 8) the Bisexual Network of New Jersey is
hosting a bisocial.  It should be easy to get to from Manhattan and New
Jersey.

Time:  7:30pm
Date:  Thursday, Oct 8.
Place:   A restaurant named "The Santa Fe Yatch Club" in Hoboken.
Directions:  Get to the PATH station in Hoboken.  It's across the
street from the main entrance.

See you there!

If you need further directions, etc. feel free to send mail.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:22:48 GMT

ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer) writes:
:  
:      Trust me -- it >is< quite possible for a male to be anal 
: passive with a female partner.  (fun, too)
:  
:      (Side note:  I now be demuffined!)  :-)

Hey - an experienced Muffin!  The BEST kind!

:                                                       -- TTK
: B0 f- t+ w- g k s- m r- p-(++)

And what a bearcode!  The p-(++) probably deserves a metabearcode rating
of p+ ... [wanders off muttering to think about that one]

Welcoming hugs
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss