From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: A few quotes from a few years ago
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:34:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Aug31.201012.26544@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
>> From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page)
>> Subject: A few quotes from a few years ago
> 
>> Below are several quotes from the history of our nation.  It is often argued
>> that the US was not founded on Christian principles.  Perhaps the US
>> has never been a Christian nation, but to deny that it was founded on
>> Christian principles is ludacrous.  Perhaps Verna Hall said it best,  "The
>> concept of a secular state was virtually non-existent in 1776 as well as in
>> 1787, when the Constitution was written, and no less so when the Bill of Rights
>> was adopted.  To read the Constitution as the charter for a secular state is to
>> misread history, and to misread it radically.  The Constitution was designed
>> to perpetuate a Christian order."
> 
> THANK YOU, Mr. Page for this post.  Anyone that has any knowledge at all
> of history (which does not include many of today's misled college
> students) will know that the USA was founded as a CHRISTIAN nation.
> 
> The liberal (and heathen) Warren court overturned two centuries
> of precedence when they banned prayer and the Bible from public schools.
> The first amendment was never intended to separate the CHRISTIAN church
> from the government.  It was ONLY to keep the government out of the
> the church.  Mr. Bush and Mr. Quayle are trying in a small way to do
> what our country's founders wished; that this country would always be
> a Christian nation.  The founders predicted dire consequences if we ever
> leave our Christian faith.  Those consequences are being played out
> before us in our crime rate, baby-killing, family breakups, and homosexuality.
> 
> We as a nation are paying and will continue to pay for our sins until and
> unless we return to the one and only true God and to the only Saviour,
> Jesus Christ.  I predict that we have not seen anything yet as far as
> riots and civil insurrection.  Just wait until a few more generations of
> children are raised without fathers, without strong moral teaching
> (how often do I read postings "I am going to let my child decide his
> own religion and values; I don't want to influence him", THEY HAVE GOT
> TO BE JOKING, but woe to us they are not), and without the love AND discipline
> that God intended them to have.  No government program, no amount of
> money, nothing will make up for a father AND a mother teaching their
> children to obey and live for Jesus Christ.
> 
> I hope that others are as sick of I am of a permissive, there is no
> right or wrong society where any stand for decency is attacked and
> mocked.
> 
> Yes, I will proudly vote for Mr. Bush and for Mr. Quayle.  Even if they
> lose, I know that God will reign forever so I am at peace.
> 
> David
> 
> "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
> no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
> 
>

     Dittos to both of these postings!  Regarding freedom of religion,
the first amendment reads:

           Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
           of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

If I, as an educator, individually decide to include creationism (along
with evolution) as a part of the curriculum of a course I teach at a
public institution, how in the world can one argue that this is 
unconstitutional?  Is congress (or state and local governments)
mandating that I teach this?  NO.
     What about if I individually decide to post the Ten Commandments
in my classroom?  This has already been "argued" as being unconstitutional;
thus I would probably be fired immediately even though Congress had 
nothing to do with my individual action.  I believe that if there 
were a law MANDATING the posting of the Ten Commandments in every 
classroom, this would indeed be unconstitutional.
     Whatever happened to academic freedom?  If another educator decides
NOT to post the Ten Commandments and not teach creationism, then more
power to her/him.  Just let me present many points of view.

     -- C. Perttunen