From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:54:58 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:

>Matt McCoy,

>Let UK's play speak for itself.  Your attacks on Louisville are
>ridiculous.  Crum is a very solid coach.  You have no basis to
>criticize Louisville from this angle.  Besides, lack of offensive
>discipline or judgement can be cited as one of Kentucky's flaws.
>The mass of three pointers thrown up under Pitino are not what
>can be called disciplined hoops.  Kentucky thrives on chaos, not
>pedigree talent.  This is changing with the maturity of Mashburn

]UK's play does speak for itself, and it did against UofL.  I
don't consider my postings to be attacks on Louisville, rather
on Crum and his coaching style.  I never *said* that Crum was
a bad coach, I said that his coaching style needs to change.  This
is a topic that is receiving a great deal of press in KY, and that
it should.

I guess I don't understand your definition of disciplined hoops.
UK practices, admitedly lives by, and fosters the use of the 
three pointer.  It is probably the most disciplined action, next
to defense, in the UK arsenal of weapons.  To say that it is
un-disciplined, is to not understand the Pitino style of coaching.

>and the arrival of some talent, and I guess I have to give
>Pitino credit for doing what he had to do to make a winner with
>the talent he had in the first 3 years.  But still, your carping
>brings no dignity to the UK program.  In addition, you have no

nor is it meant to be a gauge of dignity for the UK basketball
program.  It is a discussion for Christ's sake...deal with it!

>ground to stand upon.  During the last dozen years or so, you 
>haven't even been the most successful team in the state.  Calling
>up the memory of 5 national championships is pathetic.  Get over

I believe I said, and I am sorry if you don't remember, that
it wasn't a point for argument.  It was a statement of fact,
in response to a statement of fact.  Kind of a personal jibe
between UK and UofL fans, you know, talking about what your team
has done, as you sip over a few beers and such.  Again, I apologize
if you misinterpreted this statement as being a foundation for an
intelligent arguement, but I believe I pointed out that it was indeed
just a statement.  Get over it!

>it!  Most of the people using this net don't even remember who
>was on your last championship team.  It has been so long that it
>doesn't even bug us down here in Durham that it was us you beat!
>The 80's have happened.  The 90's are here.  Get off Louisville's
>back.  One day they might (and probably will in 2 years) be back
>near the top.  After all, they don't have to overcome probation
>to get there.  I wouldn't mind seeing Indiana kick your ass.

As a UK fan, I take this as a backhanded compliment.  I am sure
that alot of people can't WAIT for the day that Duke loses, and
as it is apparent you think that Duke is a great team, then wishing
for a loss against Kentucky can only mean that you consider UK
to be a great team!  Thanks!  :-)

>Not that I like Knight or anything.  I just think your ideas
>about how good your team and how unique your "fine basketball
>tradition" is need to meet with reality.  Your downfall in the 80's
>symbolizes what is wrong with sports.  Don't wave your banner so
>wildly.  Build from the present.  Forget the past.

Kentucky basketball has stared reality face to face, and recovered
and conquered it.  Kentucky is building from the present, but might
I remind you, that if you forget the past entirely, then the same
mistakes may come back to haunt you.  Kentucky's probation was 
unfortunate, yet deserved.  Their handling of the situation, and I 
will say it again, should serve as a role model for the rest of the
teams in the nation, when the same situation occurs to them.


>-Will

matt

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