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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:08:34 -0500
From:         Joanna Tousley-Escalante <joanna@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re:Cwis's with access to local libraries
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>

Roy, Thanks much for your comments about the CWIS at McGill.
I just came away from another network interest group meeting this
afternoon where we went another round toward installing, creating, etc. a
College network.  This, I hope, will include a CWIS.  I definitely want to
have it offer direct access to the library resources.  (We're an LRS
here!)  The very issue you addresses about who manages and controls the
information etc. was at the heart of our discussion this afternoon.  I
think that we need to begin to look at urging our admin. to make some
changes at the top to accomodate a  VP for information and technology or
the like.  I just don't see a committee that passes major decisions
affecting every devpt. and level in an institutioon (here we have 6
campuses which more and more function as separate institutions!) with a
handshake and good will.  This type of product is too powerful to not have
some eventual fisticuffs.  Your points and ideas are well taken, and I
thank you!



                                     Cordially,

                                     Joanna Tousley-Escalante
                                     Austin Community College
                                     internet:  joanna@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
                                     fax:       512/483-7773
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:07:05 EDT
From:         Chris Hare <CHRIS@TCL.SCAROLINA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New version of UNT Internet Library Guide

Yea, last week.

Thanks.

Chris
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:14:10 -0500
From:         Joanna Tousley-Escalante <joanna@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CWIS's with access to local libraries
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>

Thanks for the comment, Ernest.  Actually, your's is one of the CWIS's I
would most like to see have direct access.  If it's any interest, I think
you have one of the best laid out, easy to use CWIS's out there.  I like
to demonstrate some of the potention for what we hope to build here at
Austin Comm. College by logging into your system for demo purposes.  Many
thanks to all you guys who have created it!

Joanna Tousley-Escalante


On Wed, 12 Aug 1992, JONESEL%APPSTATE.bitnet@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu wrote:

>                   I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M
>
>                                         Date:     12-Aug-1992 09:18am EST
>                                         From:     Ernest Jones
>                                                   JONESEL
>                                         Dept:     CAMS
>                                         Tel No:   704 262 6276
>
> TO:  VMSMail User _IN%"CWIS-L             ( _IN%"CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET" )
>
>
> Subject: RE: CWIS's with access to local libraries
>
> At this time our library has very limited capacity to accept direct
> access.  They have only two lines on their current computer available.
>  With this in mind, we have not opened up access from our CWIS.  Our
> CWIS software will require some special programming to permit this
> access.  Hopefully, within the next year the library, which serves
> three campuses within the University of North Carolina system, will
> upgrade to a more powerful system with greatly expanded capability.
>
> Ernest L. Jones, Director                 JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
> Computer and Management Services          JONESEL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
> Appalachian State University              Phone: 704 262-6276
> Boone, NC  28608
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Via: uk.ac.bristol; Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:10:48 +0100
X-Organisation: University of Bristol
X-Address: Computing Service, Tyndall Avenue, Bristol, BS8 1UD, England
X-Telephone: +44 272 303588
X-Fax: +44 272 291576
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:08:45 BST
From:         Ann French <ann.french@BRISTOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: List entry
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Comments: cc: Ronald Haynes <r.haynes@bristol.ac.uk>,
              Paul Smee <p.smee@bristol.ac.uk>,
              Kit Powell <c.j.powell@bristol.ac.uk>

Here is some information about the University of Bristol Info
Server.  Hope it's in the right format.

Ann French



University of Bristol Info Server
Address: info.bristol.ac.uk
Access: Make a direct Internet connection and log in as info, or log in
to JANET first and type uk.ac.bristol.info.  Best to emulate a vt100.
Hardware/software: Sun SparcServer using local sofware written in a
subset of C chosen to ease portability.
Contact: Ann French <ann.french@bristol.ac.uk>

Contents: Information about the University and information of
general interest to members of the University; for example, the
telephone list, electronic mail addresses, details of courses,
information about departments, articles from the student newspaper.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:53:01 -0400
From:         Gayle Belford <belford@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Second Request to Be Added to CWIS-L

Please add my name to the CWIS-L

Belford, Gayle
belford@a1.relay.upenn.edu

Please advise if there is a charge connected with this service,
as I am a new user at the University of Pennsylvania, and
am the administrator of the campus-wide information system,
PennInfo.

Thank you for your prompt attention to my request.

Regards,
Gayle Belford
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:01:28 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Multiple Items/Navigation
              13 Aug 1992 10:57:21 +0200 from
              <pearcera@RS6000-1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK>

Gopher, of course, like many other systems, allows multiple links
to the same item.  The question then becomes how often such duplicate
links should be used.  I claim that lavish duplication can turn a
hierarchical menu into an Adventure game -- am I in the twisty maze
of passages all alike now?

In my opinion duplicate links should be minimized, and an index of
titles provided where possible.  Here at Michigan State, Dennis Boone
has added code to Gopher to provide such an index of titles -- you
search by keyword, and you get a list of all items with that keyword
in the title.  So no matter where we've buried "Tickets" or "Phone"
you'll be able to find it quickly, obviating the need for duplication.
(The index code is working but not on our production Gopher service yet.)

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:26:00 BST
From:         "Steve Jones (Oxford 273206)" <SAJ@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: Questions about CWIS list
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Judy Hallman lists some sites for which there is currently only minimal
information available. Being responsible for one of those sites, and
slightly embarassed that the UK features highly in her list, could
I ask what extra information is desired.  Both minimum and ideal
requirements would be of interest.

Steve Jones
Oxford University Computing Services
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:30:00 EDT
From:         STRUMING@ZODIAC.RUTGERS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Catalog Copies and Keyword Use
Comments: To: CWIS-L@wuvmd.wustl.edu

We at Rutgers, obtained the diskets used for printing various course
catalogs, and entered the data in INFO with the following disclaimer,
requested by the publications dept.:

This electronically accessed catalog is not an official document
While every effort has been made to maintain its accuracy, only the
printed catalog may be considered official

We are not updating the catalogs,, we are making them available the
same as the printed versions.  When a new version is printed then we
post it in our CWIS.

Regarding keywords, we use only a few to identify the catalog (e.g.
course catalog, law, greaduate program).

Leny Struminger		      (908) 932-3438; FAX (908) 932-0537
Network Res./LCSR	      struming@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Computing Facilities
Rutgers Univ.                "Life is a gift of nature
Hill Center, Busch Campus     Beautiful living life is a gift of wisdom"
Piscataway, NJ 08855
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:35:51 CDT
From:         Frank Simmons <fsimmons@UA.D.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Department-Wide IS
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu
              13, 92 9:37 am

We have departmental CWIS in use here.  It is the exact same code as the U
wide one.  The program is renamed to protect the innocent.
--
Frank Simmons                             Hollernet: 1-218-726-7587
Senior User Services Specialist           Help Desk manager
Information Services                      CWIS - INFO manager
University of Minnesota, Duluth           Internet: fsimmons@ua.d.umn.edu
Duluth MN, 55812                          BITNET: fsimmons@umndul
                                          FAX : 1-218-726-7674
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:26:12 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re:Cwis's with access to local libraries

>I came away from the INFORMA conference with ideas that could
>explain your observations.  The connection to the campus library
>system does get a site into potential turf wars.  This is because
>most CWIS's are being run by computing centers...................
>....
>There is no technical reason why it cannot be done today.  There
>are, however significant people problems that have to be overcome
>before this can be realized.

I don't see how putting the Library system(s) on the CWIS can
lead to turf wars.  There can be contention over who gets put
where on the root menu, and who manages the CWIS overall, but
simply pointing to something in a menu system doesn't imply
you've taken over ownership of it.

Indeed, in the Gopher community, there is discussion of ways to
allow the user to see who the actual owner of each item is, and
to allow the user to provide direct feedback to that information
provider.

Anyhow, the best answer to avoiding contention is to have a broad-
based committee resolve policy and menu design issues, and to be
sure that appropriate library staff are involved.  After all they
have been classifying information for years.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:49:08 -0400
From:         "via the vacation program" <chet@ODIN.INS.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      away from my mail

I will not be reading my mail until I return from vacation August 24.
Your mail regarding "     Re: Second Request to Be Added to CWIS-L" will be read
 when I return.

If you have problems with Freenet, send mail to rynes@po.cwru.edu
Problems with other CWRU INS services should be sent to kukura@po.cwru.edu
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:37:48 EDT
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From:         Ralph Grove <RFGROV01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Department-Wide IS

Title: Programmer/Analyst
Phone: 502/588-5640
Now that we have started a CWIS at UoL, several departments are interested in
having a limited version of the CWIS for intra-departmental use. For example,
the College of Business would like to place departmental records, faculty
rosters, etc., on the CWIS so that they are accessible to the Business faculty
and staff only. This would require linking the CWIS transparently to a
departmental-IS or restricting access to a portion of the CWIS. Does anyone
have experience with this type of arrangement?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Info Tech Ormsby MS#06 /Univ. of Louisville/Louisville KY 40292
rfgrov01@ulkyvm.bitnet           rfgrov01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:55:42 EDT
From:         rselfe@MTU.EDU
Subject:      Tex to the rescue

Fred said,

"Do we add value to a young man or woman?  Do our fine TAs, with
all the elitest presumptions of a twenty-two-year-old who has
gotten A's telling how the breastplate truly reflects Pearl's
inner nature mirrored by the harsh reality of society, add value
to the young engineer or the young computer scientist or young
advertising major?  Ah, the bigger question is whether we even
think about such things (essentially unthinkable in the more
famous departments), or crank along with presumptions built on
assumptions teetering on the "sumptions" themselves.

It's always a "fray," Myles, whether an argument is going on or
not.  Fred Kemp, TTU"

Well said yourself, Fred.

Looks like you hired the right person (Tex-Patricia G.) to generate some
respect and enthusiasm for the young engineer and CS person.  How's TT life
so far TEx?
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:04:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Signing your messages (21)

Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:36:42 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug19.063642.2.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Signing your messages (21)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 (21:09:00 EST) Donna Henriksen  00d0henrikse@bsu.edu
asks
>I assume some of you have macros you use [for signatures]. . . how do you
>    do that?

Most mailers allow you to include text files (some with line limits) as a
signature.  They also allow you to set your personal name.  Additionally there
is a command to use when you sign up for a ListServ group that sets your name
for each message you send the group.

Setting Local Mail Personal Names Example:

Most mail programs will read certain settings from the environment for your
session.  So for example
  $ set process /name="Robert Royar"
Sets my name on our Vax and because it is in my LOGIN.COM file, my name gets
set each time I log in.  In the Vax mail program, I change my mailing name with
  set personal_name "Composition Digest (Robert Royar, Moderator)"
The mailer then appends this name to each "From:" line in my mail header.

Setting Signature Files

I don't use them, but I believe the VMS command in mail is
  set signature VMSFILENAME
Other operating systems should provide similar commands.  Check the Help
command inside your mailer program (once you get into mail), looking for words
such as "set", "variables", "environment", etc.

ListServ Personal Names

Gee, I don't know about this, Fred set me up when the whole MBU thing began and
set my Personal Name at that time.  It's probably something like

MAIL> send
To: listserv@ttuvm1.bitnet
Subject:

set mbu-l name Donna Henriksen  00d0henrikse@bsu.edu

Subject should be blank, and the message body should contain the command to the
texas listserv.

   WARNING I DON'T KNOW LISTSERV COMMANDS, CHECK WITH FORREST
   OR SOME OTHER GURU AT BALL STATE FOR INFORMATION ON THE
   EXACT COMMAND

*************************************
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:00:34 -0400
From:         eng_allen@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU
Subject:      A request

I just read several provocative messages (the last half dozen or so on my
MBU list today) without identification of the writer.  I'd like to respond
to some, but feel at a loss.  So here comes my annual plea--
When you send a message to MBU, would you please sign a name and id, unless,
of course, you want to be anonymous.  Some of us get no id in the headers
of these messages.  (Sorry to bother those of you (most everyone)
who have been very kind about adding names to their messages, but new people
may not realize that some people need those identifiers.)
Thanks.
Nancy Allen
eng_allen@emunix.emich.edu
From: jporter@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Jim Porter)
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Subject: Re: Social Interaction in Computer Classrooms
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:41:01 GMT
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              20, 92 7:33 am

Eric writes:
>My immediate response won't win you any points with your
>colleague, I'm afraid: I think folks tend to be too
>protective of face-to-face communication.

Yes, I think so, too!
There's an assumption (one place I've seen it is in
communication theory) that personal F2F oral discourse is
the purest form possible, because it's free of
electronic and other sorts of "noise."  And a lot
of communication theory (speech-act theory, for
instance) is based on the assumption that that
communication situation is the norm, and that all
others are derivative in some way.

I've always thought that F2F had its own inherent
noisiness, especially between students and teachers.
Sometimes rapport can be reached quickly F2F, but other
times not.  With some students I've worked with,
sometimes those who seem to feel awkward in F2F
situations, other media work better: they write me
notes, they send me email messages.  I've also
observed that my students are more willing thru email to
communicate their displeasure with an aspect of my
course than they are in F2F discourse.  In fact, I get
a lot of expressive email messages from students (1-1).

So which form of discourse is "better"?  I'd say it
depends on what you're communicating and to whom
and how you feel about it.  F2F works better for some
students for some kinds of situations; other times
electronic discourse facilitates communication.  But
I don't see one as "pure" and the other as "indirect."

--------------------
Jim Porter
Purdue University
jporter@mace.cc.purdue.edu
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:32:00 EDT
From:         WWOOD@LUCY.WELLESLEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Tuesday night IRC

Eric:  Like everyone else right now, I'm probably engaged in a mind shift
from the esoterica of summer to the practicalities of the fall syllabus;
hence the obsessive dialogue (multilogue?) about students, their needs,
their desires, their resistances...Michael Joyce/Robert Coover's request
fell into that widening pool of panic I was/am feeling (help!  I'm not
ready for the fall!!!); it caused a ripple of response in my mind bu  I
wasn't able to let it do much more.  Nevertheless, I don't want to lose
that thrill of interest I felt earlier in the summer over Coover's article,
and my modem is now hooked up at home--I'm game to try IRC, especially if
you circulate those instructions for hookup that you had going earlier.

Wini
wwood@lucy.wellesley.edu
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:48:50 ADT
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From:         HUNT000 <HUNT@UNB.CA>
Subject:      typing immersion

     I'm new to this network, and the flow of messages makes
it tough to get a response in before the moment's gone.  But
I want to respond to two things people said in today's flood.

     (1) Typing.  Keyboarding's important, but I'm hesitant
about the assumption that somehow it should be learned FIRST,
maybe in high school.  I think it's best learned as we need it,
and as we realize we need it.  At least that's how I learned:
not in my high school typing class, which I dropped, but when
I got a typewriter and realized that it would be so much faster
and easier if I just put my fingers on the home keys and used all
ten (or nine, actually; I've never figured out what to do with
my left thumb).
     This is important to me because it has something to do with
basic models of education which suggest you learn something and
THEN use it, as opposed to learning it by doing it.  Traditional
industrial models of education assume everything is or should be
of the first kind.

     (2) Literacy "immersion" courses.  Louie Crew asked whether
anyone had experience with them.  Besides a lot of extension
courses out of various universities in Australia, and the Open
U in England, which I think are close to that, we teach in a
style called "Collaborative Investigation" here, which amounts
to doing virtually everything by writing (either through xerox
or on a local network, depending on the teacher and the situation).
The rationale for it is precisely parallel to the rationale for
language immersion (some of the ideas come out of the work of
Stephen Krashen on second language learning).  If anyone would
like to know more about it I have a list of publications I can
send; let me know off line.
                                    -- Russ
                                _~|__
Russell A. Hunt            _~|__)_ __)~|__       BITNET: hunt@unb
Department of English      )_ __)_|_)__ __) INTERNET: hunt@unb.ca
St. Thomas University        |  )____) |      FAX: (506) 450-9615
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:49:01 -0400
From:         Lili Velez <lv08+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Favorite and most despised fonts (*MBU*) (15)

Favorite fonts?  Hmmn.  I tend to like New Century Schoolbook, Palatino,
and sometimes Bookman. 12 point on-screen, and 10 point for printouts.

My most despised font is Chicago, in any size, pitch, or flavor. I don't
let students use it in my classes.  I hate reading it, and a page full
of those blocky letters just _squirms_, to my eyes.  (This once prompted
a student to do his papers in all manner of exotic fonts, some of which,
like Camelot, Eire, etc. were quite splendid).

Lili
"Rhet in the Blue Linen Labcoat"
(in much better spirits now that she has a
 Prof. Writing class to teach at Robert Morris
 and a few hours a week designing/grading assignments
 for an art history course at CMU)
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:09:00 EST
From:         00D0HENRIKSE@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A request

Nancy:  I'm one of the new people who constantly forget that MBU messages have t
   o or should be signed, unlike usual E-mail messages.  Sorry!  Will try to rem
   ember from now on.  I assume some of you have macros you use . . . how do you
    do that?

Donna Henriksen  00d0henrikse@bsu.edu
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