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From: rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10: Oregon State Schedule
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:29:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University


 crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:

>matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>>Dec 28	Ohio State
>>>Dec 29	BYU or Oregon
>>
>>Must be BYU.  If it's an Oregon holiday tourney (and it looks like it),
>>then they'll just switch opponents for the second game rather than have a
>>mini-tourney.  No way will the Beavs and Ducks play three times.

>Actually I'm pretty sure this is the Far West Classic which is a real 
>tournament where winners and losers play the second day.  Oregon and OSU
>host this tourney every year, and they have met for the championship in
>the past, though this doesn't happen regularly.  On the other hand, BYU
>will probably whip Oregon (remember Shawn--Got he's tall--Bradley??)

 I wouldn't put any money on it.......Oregon has a lot of talent, and a
 center that was 7'2" as a freshman (redshirt last year). Also, remember
 Antoine Stoudmire? The starters all got injured last year, so their bench
 also got a lot of seasoning........


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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Inside Sports Poll
Summary: 1992-93 Preseason
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:28:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL


The following NCAA pre-season basketball poll (92-93) appeared in the 
November issue of Inside Sport.  Since I haven't already seen it given 
on the net, here goes.

1.  Michigan 
2.  Kansas 
3.  Indiana 
4.  Duke 
5.  Florida State 
6.  Tulane 
7.  Seton Hall 
8.  Memphis State 
9.  Kentucky		Note - IS had UK in this same spot last year
10. North Carolina 
11. Arizona 
12. UNLV 
13. Iowa State 
14. Michigan State 
15. Georgetown 
16. Evansville 
17. Iowa		
18. Cincinnati
19. Oklahoma
20. New Mexico State
21. Wake Forest
22. Brigham Young
23. Arkansas
24. Minnesota
25. George Washington

Other teams (called upset specials) expected to make the 26th-50th
spots were:  Boston College, Tennessee, Marquette, Georgia Tech, 
Louisville, Illinois, UMASS!!! (tm) (IS forgot the capitals and
exclamation marks - tsk tsk), Temple, Texas, Georgia, UNCC, Southern
Illinois, Utah, Ohio State, Alabama, Connecticut, Arizona State, 
Nebraska, California, Xavier, James Madison, New Orleans, Syracuse
(this was pre-probation), Bowling Green, and Oklahoma State.

The last category was Invited Guests, which were teams expected to
qualify for the NCAAs only becuase they play in conferences with
automatic bids:  Idaho, Pepperdine, NE Louisiana, Murray State,
Wagner, Maine, Princeton, Wright State, UT-Chattanooga, Holy Cross,
North Carolina A&T, Mercer, Southern, and Manhattan.

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Final Four Venues (was: Re: Call for toughest arena votes)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.174838.15694@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com  
(james.f.whitehead) writes:
> 
> The "too bad" letter that said I did'nt get 1993 Final Four tickets said
> that well more than half the 70,000 seats in the Dome were spoken for
> and not in the lottery.

After seeing some of the "$15" seats in Minneapolis, I think you may
be better off not going, though a trip to N.O. would be a blast,
certainly.  Also, after seeing some of the lottery seats, you might
be better off using that money with a scalper just before the game -
certainly just before the championship game.  I recall that some fans
of the semi-final losers turned their tickets into the box office 
in Minneapolis where they were available come gametime Monday nite!!

> and I'll have to listen to these
> shmucks on TV.

You're definitely better off going given this - especially if you're
willing to take a chance.

> Jim Whitehead
> "so what"

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Recruiting Junkies Anonymous (was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:50:43 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

I wrote:
>Bob Clock Clue Cluff Clow writes:
>>
>>  This brings up a new idea: a twelve step program to help recruiting junkies
>>help themselves.  
>

     [ A 12 step path to freedom from recruiting news addiction deleted]


Not that I noticed anyone on the net driving around with more than the
legal limit of recruiting information coursing through their synapses.
Didn't want to imply that there was anyone neglecting hearth and
home to finance their merely recreational interest in the sport.
A couple of "problem" sports fans, but nothing as dangerous as the
sensationalistic tabloids would have one believe. They are in the
business, after all, of making things today seem worse than yesterday.
Like at Duke.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: More UCLA news (Ma Jian)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:01:03 GMT

Me writes:
>>
>>Jian failed to achieve the entry requirements set down by the university,
>>so he won't be coming after all it seems.  I don't know if this is a
>>"good" thing or not.

>did he fail the college admissions requirements or the basketball team entry
>requirements?  while we're on this subject, are there any notable "good" asian
>ball players in the ncaa or elsewhere?  a height of 6-6 like that of ma jian
>is pretty uncommon for asian people.

	Ahh... I believe I've brought this thread up before.  There haven't
	been too many Asian players in the NCAA ranks -- as of right now,
	the only one I'm familiar with is Tony Ling, who's a walk-on on the
	Northwestern squad.  He's like 5'6" or so!  There was a player whose
	last name was Chang (or something like that) who played for Cal-
	Berkeley in the mid-80's and I believe he was 6'6" or so, but that's
	all I can remember...

	Jazzy J
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:15:20 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep30.221452.12574@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>In my single visit to Stanford's Maples Pavillion, I was pretty
>unimpressed. The game was bit of a snooze, so I don't take it as a
>fair sample ... on the other hand, I know Montgomery has been
>vocal about wanting more fan support. 

They've been pretty loud in some of the  recent games with Arizona.
I was at the UCLA game a few years back when Lichti sent the game
into OT with a 3 that wasn't(his foot was on the line and he himself
admitted it). the place was packed and it was loud, and even the UCLA
players admitted it bothered them in the OT and they ended up losing.


>I'm not nominating it for easiest-on-visitors status; the Cardinal
>have pulled off some big wins there, and the floor is very springy,
>which seems to bother other teams.  I do think the shape of the 

The floor is like being on a mini-tramp. I played there once in highschool 
and you really feel like you're flying, and it makes dribbling more
difficult.

I'd rather play at Toso Pavillion any day(santa clara university's gym),
the roof is white and the way its lit, you almost forget you're indoors,
its like playing on the playground, with no wind, and a crowd .     



>generates a lot of noise. Of course maybe it's just me--I tend to be
>pretty quiet when I'm watching a movie ... 

Depends on the movie, if its bad, talking over it helps pass the time.




Russ Smith
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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:01:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <22993@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>
> It would be a small miracle for the Pac-10 to get 2 teams into the sweet
>sixteen this season. Cal is probably the pick to win the conference but
>I can't see them going far in the tourney. UCLA is more or less up in the
>air but with a good draw might make it, ASU is a joke, OSU has an outside shot
>to make the tourney but an even better chance of getting out quickly, and
>Arizona is likely to be seeded lower than they have in quite some time. 
>
>
>				gln

Far be it from me to disagree with gary, but I think that Arizona will 
take the PAC-10 this year.  I wonder, is woofing against group etiquette?

Ted

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From: erwinc@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher S. Erwin)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Summary: Got it.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:52:18 GMT

> In article <Bvo2AJ.98u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
> >On October 13, the 1992-93 edition of NCAA Preview Magazine will hit the
> >newsstands.  The IDS received a complimentary copy of this through the mail

This magazine has been on the stands at Purdue's magazine shops for
nearly two weeks.  I bought my copy last Tuseday  The coverage is
pretty good for the most part, but there are some errors, particularly
in the Big-## section.  I really can't say for the rest of the 
conferences, but I do know that Ian Stanback and Chris Webber are
definitely not centers.

I'm be curious to know what previews are best thought of on the net.
I suppose this might diverge into that advertising grey area,
but I have always liked the organization of TSN's and the coverage
of ST&Smith.  It seems that the earlier a Mag is realeased, the 
more drug induced the reviews are.  Recent threads back this.


Chris Erwin
erwinc@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hendrick (was Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen)
Keywords: no "s"
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:29:08 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <56381@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.163005.25486@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>>A couple of preliminaries:
>>
>>1) that's Brian Henrick  (no "s")
>
>The oldest trick in the book Ken. Correct somebody else and no matter
>how good your intentions you'll make a mistake too.
>
>I'm sure Ken knows its Hendrick.

	Gee, Russ, shouldn't that be "it's"?

>Russ Smith
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:32:11 GMT

>>In my single visit to Stanford's Maples Pavillion, I was pretty
>>unimpressed. The game was bit of a snooze, so I don't take it as a
>>fair sample ... on the other hand, I know Montgomery has been
>>vocal about wanting more fan support. 

The problem is that Stanford doesn't have many fans, and everybody
outside of the student section is either a senior citizen from Palo
Alto or a fan of the other team.

Like Russ here...

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>They've been pretty loud in some of the  recent games with Arizona.
>I was at the UCLA game a few years back when Lichti sent the game
>into OT with a 3 that wasn't(his foot was on the line and he himself
>admitted it). 

Yep, and I can see it vividly even now.  I think it sent the game to
the second overtime, by the way.  Stanford won something like 116-113
in double OT.  Funny thing was, the PA announcer kept giving scores
from the USC at Cal game.  It also went to 2-OT, but the score was
more like 49-48...

That year was also when Todd the Godd brought us back from the dead to
beat Arizona, and I'll bet the crowd helped Sean Elliott miss those
four free throws at the end.


--Gidi

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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:23:57 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <19881@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:

[other stuff deleted about available Purdue scholarships and what can be
 shuffled]

|> 
|> 4.  Matt Ten Dam stays in prep school another year.  Probably could
|> use the extra time athletically but not academically.  Very unlikely.
|> 
|> **Note: I would be VERY surprised if Keady signs Griffith and reneges
|> on Ten Dam.  That is not like Keady.

Has Keady signed Ten Dam yet??? If he hasn't then what's to renege? Coaches
talk to multiple players at the same position all of the time and those players
are prioritized. If both kids want to go to Purdue then it's Purdue's 
option to pick the one they want. Of course, more often than not, that's not
what happens for the majority of schools.

Just because Gene flew all the way to Holland to talk to this kid (poor guy, 
what a job!!!), he didn't come back with any signed committment letter of any 
type did he???

If Purdue wants Griffith and Griffith wants Purdue AND Purdue has made no 
committment to Ten Dam other than to say that they would like Ten Dam to play 
for Purdue and Purdue has an open scholarship, then what's so unethical about 
that? (I could be missing something here because I'm not quite sure about 
Ten Dam's status.)


|> 
|> 5.  Some one else will transfer.  This also seems unlikely at this
|> point (ie. before the season starts) because if Keady knew about such
|> a thing already, why wouldn't this player already have transfered?
|> 
|> Carl

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Basketball Digest: PAC-10 Predictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:13:14
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com's message of 2 Oct 92 21:42:08 GMT

>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Smith <rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com> writes:
  Russ> Kevin Madden on the other hand was at UNC for at least a decade.

Two more words:
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From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Kentucky Tidbit
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:47:53 GMT

Hey, if this kid visited and signed with (K)ansas (U)niversity,
what's with the Kentucky subject?

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From: king@meaddata.com (Mike King)
Subject: Info on Thomas Hamilton (7-3 Forward)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:09:56 GMT
Distribution: na

Can anyone tell me anything, good or bad, about Thomas Hamilton.
Hamilton is a 7 footer at Chicago's Martin Luther King high school.
I heard he's had his problems with; his weight, his grades, and 
the law.  Does anyone know what schools are on his list?  Thanks in
advance. 

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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be)
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:55:39 GMT

Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>In article <5739@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) says:

>I have a lot of respect for the Duke summaries/evaluations you post, Rob,
>but I hope that you're wrong about G. Hill playing a lot of point his
>senior year.  I think that he's much more of an asset on offence when he's
>playing one of the forward spots.  This would be ture, IMHO, even if he
>gets to be a decent (or ever) shooter from 3-point land.  Give Collins a
>chance, at least.

If Grant Hill can develop his shooting from 3-range, then they'll have more
depth in that capacity then they thought.  Collins is quite a bomber himself.
(I'd quote his numbers, but I can't get my HyperCard statistics stack up with
the term program on.)

>I have no (well, little) doubt that the "gunning" behavior
>behavior you've described in the Card Gym games will be squashed soon after
>the coaching staff gets a shot at him, if not before.  I agree that he'll
>probably be better as the 2-guard, though.  If not Collins at the point in
>'93-94, well, freshmen tend to grow-up fast in the ACC, especially if they
>get a lot of playing time.

Since I've been hearing the dirt on Duke's plans for Collins since the
beginning (back while he was still being recruited) it surprises me to hear
anything about him playing off-guard.  I've been told he's supposed to back
up Hurley this year in order to take over the spot next year.  I haven't
heard differently from anyone else back home, including Chris.  He's been a
point guard since freshman year in high school, and I really doubt he'll change.

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Faulkner to Cincy?
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:24:59 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <BvGCno.AsF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
{about Jamal Faulkner}
>	Wow.  3 schools in 5 years.  He'll be challenging John Starks'
>	record (4 schools, 4 years).

Didn't Houston's Sam Mack manage to accomplish that last year?  I know he
went to at least three different schools, and I thought it was four.

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.083015.19052@ncsu.edu> jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN  
GREATHOUSE) writes:

> Just a question, when are the results of the toughest arenas going to be 
> posted?

After Columbus Day when all surveys are collected.

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:26:58 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

Just saw in this morning's Washington Post that Joey Beard has decided
to go to Duke.  He made the visit to Duke last weekend and made up his
mind.  Duke and Virginia were the top two schools on his list.

Beard said he wanted the chance to join his former teammate Grant Hill
at Duke.  Both played at South Lakes High School in Reston, Virginia.


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