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From: David_Woodsworth@mindlink.bc.ca (David Woodsworth)
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:27:22 GMT

> John A. Weeks III writes:
>
> Yes...and they seemed to have just exactly the right amount of rope (it
> looked
> like there was 6 inches of extra rope laying on the ground at the bottom).
> If
> the cliff had been 503 meters rather than 500 meters, they would have been
> in
> big trouble.  The whole rope thing seemed a bit bogus to begin with.

Where did you get the idea that they carried 500 meters of rope?  Rock
climbers routinely carry 50 meter lengths of rope, and still manage to
routinely descend hundreds of meters of cliff.  Perhaps they set up new
anchors every hundred meters or so.

David

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: 1992 Zefram Cochrane Treknology Awards
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 07:26:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In order to bring some levity to the new year, I think its high
time to give awards (named after the yet-to-be-born inventor of
the Warp Drive) to the best/worst/silliest/more realistic
Treknology explanations seen here in Rec.Arts.StarTrek.Tech in
the 1992 year.

No rules, no vote counter, just mail me your nominations and/or
votes. Make up categories. Flame away. I'll post whatever I can
extract from it. Perhaps this can become a yearly tradition. :)

Joshua
(Who managed to spoof Star Wars, Pern, and MUSHing in one fell
swoop and a sequel :)
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From: bafta@cats.ucsc.edu (Shari L Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Federation Marines
Summary: not on the Enterprise
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:35:40 GMT
Organization: University of California - Santa Cruz
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As I recall, (correct meif I'm wrong here) the Enterprise is somewhat
the equivalent of a Navy heavy cruiser.  [At least the original one was]

While there might be some Marines abord a cruiser, its function is
*not* to carry "several thousand troops" from system to system.
You would need a troop carrier for that.

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From: kzollman@phys.ksu.edu (Kevin Zollman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Survey disapearances on ship
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:46:21 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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In <1h586hINNeq6@overload.lbl.gov> produit@ux5.lbl.gov (nicolas produit) writes:

> In many episodes somebody disapear from the enterpise.
>It takes a very long time since anybody notice it.
>Then they ask the computer to locate the guy and the computer just answer he
>is not on bord.
>I think it must be really trivial to write a low priority program that each
>second account for all the people that should be on bord and yell
>immadiately when somebody is missing.
>I m sure that data have the necessary privileges and skill to do it.

People are going on and off the ship all the time.  It would be vary bad to 
have the computer 'yell' whenever someone left.

--Kevin

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From: kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: more ropes
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:03:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


    Yeah maybe there are some disadvantages of using anti grav boots but
  what about other gadgets such as a mechanical device that will enable
  them to slide down the rope more comfortably or to aid them in climbing 
  up again. Tools like that do exist today, a smaller and lighter version
  of that should be existing in the future. They probably did know that
  they would encounter a cliff like that since they knew they were going 
  below the surface of the planet into the caves. I dont think they brought
  the ropes because they thought 'Hey maybe we can use these as lassos?' :)

								DC
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:50:06 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <1992Dec21.092516.28352@u.washington.edu> rene@hardy.u.washington.edu:
> Didnt anybody else consider it rather remarkable how little rope they
> appeared to be carrying, particularly in light of the fact that Picard
> mentions the descent is 1500 feet... ?

Yes...and they seemed to have just exactly the right amount of rope (it looked
like there was 6 inches of extra rope laying on the ground at the bottom).  If
the cliff had been 503 meters rather than 500 meters, they would have been in
big trouble.  The whole rope thing seemed a bit bogus to begin with.

-john-

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: Re: Synopsis, "Chain of Command, Part II"
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:33:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

A vast synopsis that is in dire need of a correction.  The offending para-
graph appears after the Control-L and some blank lines.

>WARNING:  The following post contains intense spoilers for "Chain of Command, 
>Part II" that the faint of heart may find disturbing.  Proceed with caution.






















>Riker and Geordi swoop into the nebula in their shuttle and plant the mines 
>on the Cardassian ships.  Once they have returned, Jellico signals a very 
>angry Gul Madred on the Reklar.  "I'm not going to argue with you, Gul 
>Madred.  Every one of your ships has a mine on its belly, my finger's on the 
>button, and you're in a _very_ bad position."  After the weakness of the 
>situation becomes apparent, Madred agrees to all of Jellico's terms, 
>including the immediate release of Picard.

The Cardassian in that situation should be *Lemec*, not Madred.  Thanks to 
all who pointed out the goof.

Tim Lynch
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: DSN Promos for "Emissary" (Pilot) #721
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:09:40 GMT
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Here is the promo copy for "Emissary", the pilot episode of DEEP SPACE NINE.
Both the promos and the actual episode were released today.  The 2-hour
premiere version has a special production code of #721 (same as Encounter 
At Farpoint), although the two parts in the future will be rerun separately
as episodes #401 and #402.
 
Needless to say... these promos are loaded with a non-stop, 
dazzling array of clips from the episode.

   
(:30 version)
At the edge of the final frontier, the universe's greatest mystery is 
about to unfold...  A journey beyond the boundaries of charted space.
Where a dark, mysterious world waits on the threshold of new discovery.
Prepare yourself for adventure beyond imagination.  Prepare for the 
thrilling two-hour world premiere of... Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
 
 
(:15 version)
The greatest mystery in the universe unfolds.  Prepare yourself for 
a thrilling adventure to the farthest edge of the final frontier, 
on the two-hour world premiere of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
 
 
(:10 version)
Voyage to the edge of the final frontier, on the thrilling 
two-hour world premiere of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
 
 
-{ Dean Adams }-


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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: DSN Promos for "Past Prologue" (#404)
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:14:31 GMT
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Promos for the new ST:DSN episode: "Past Prologue" (#404) were released
today.  This actual program will air starting on Saturday, January 9th.  
 
 
Here is the promo copy (announcer):
 
NEXT TIME ON STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, A BAJORAN TERRORIST 
SEEKS REFUGE ONBOARD THE SPACE STATION...
 
   [ Cardassian ship firing on another vessel ]
 
   [ Bajoran beams into Ops ]
 
   [ Cardassian talking to (Sisko?) ]
 
  Cardassian:  He has committed brutal acts of destruction!
 
   [ Kira and Bajoran talking ]
 
  Bajoran:  I want Bajor for Bajorans.
 
BUT WHERE DO KIRA'S LOYALTIES LIE?
 
  Kira:  You expect me to commit some act of violence 
         against the Federation?
 
   [ Sisko, O'Brien, Kira, and Bajoran in a Runabout ]
 
  Bajoran:  There is an armed explosive device onboard this ship.
             ...no more wormhole, no more Federation.
 
   [ Runabout enters wormhole ]
 
ON AN ALL NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE.
 
 
-{ Dean Adams }-
 
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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: ERRORS FIXED == DS9 Station List == READ!!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 1 Jan 1993 23:37:25 GMT
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To those that have tried to mail DS9 submissions and have received bounced
mail. IMPORTANT
 
My mail filtering program crashed and bounced mail all over the i-net
universe. It is now corectly installed and tested.
 
Resubmissions should be made as soon as possible so I can keep everyone
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If you encounter further problems you may mail your submission and the
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gtapolow@telerama.pgh.pa.us
 
NOTE!!!! This is not the standard submission address. Please retry the
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ALL submissions posted to me on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday of the week
this letter is porsted. I have received no submissions. 
 
Sorry for the inconvenience, there will be a full explanation is next
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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Scoring
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:18:51 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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Why do corps' scores have to be "boxed in".  What is welifted the 100 point
max.  That way if judges ran into a situation of say, a dynamite Blue Devils 
corps competing 3rd and very capable of scoring a 97.0 and with a dynamite 
Phantom, Cavaliers, Star and SCV to follow.  I can see it now

In fourth place, with a score of 97.0 Blue Devils
In third.                        99.5 Phantom Regiemnt
In second  "       "   "  "    " 103.0 Cavaliers
In first,  "       "  "    "   " 104.1 Star

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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Prodigy Drum Corps
Date: 28 Dec 1992 16:24:01 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <1992Dec28.102356.28932@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
;>
;>I personally, and I bet a lot of rec.arts.marching.drumcorps readers
;>would like to hear what Bill Cook et. al have to say about anything
;>in drum corps.  If you could upload/download their posts, I'm sure
;>it would benefit those of us who do not do Prodigy.  (This is only a
;>request.  If it takes too much time/effort, then forget it.)
;>
;>-- Donald

Unfortunately, I can't upload so all transfers must be done by hand.  Still,
I will try and do a bit as I have time.

Rob, I will post a copy of my Ask DCI letter.  I'll be interested to hear
what Don Pescione has to say.

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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Judge kills
Date: 25 Dec 1992 16:40:34 -0600
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In article <alt.drumcorps:2780, rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:172>, 
raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee) wrote (Re: Judge kills):
 
|>Well, when I was marching with San Jose Raiders back in '82, there was this
|>most unfortunate marching judge that was checking out our color guard (you
|>remember -- the one's with the low cut costumes). Well, he was transfixed long
|>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
|>enough to have one of the Contra's back up right behind him.
|>
|>Then came the horn up.
|>
|>He recovered, but the dent in the back of the contra was a trophy that the
|>contra player displayed proudly after that.....
-- 
 
Oh, yeah!  I remember that color guard!  They were real foxes!
I was especially fond of the guard captain, Wanda "Cheshie" Young.
We were pen pals for 2 years and dated a couple of times.  Pity it
didn't work out :_( !  I hope the judge wasn't checking out her.
If so, he got what was coming to him!
 
Back to judge traps--In 1978, SCV's guard formed a tight circle at
the end of the first song of the Gayne Ballet Suite.  Well, at
DCI Midwest prelims, they managed to trap *3* judges in it!  There
the judges were, penned in by women standing on one leg holding up
hoops while the crowd was snickering at them.  Amusing for us in AK,
embarrassing for the judges.  They didn't repeat that mistake at
finals that night!
 
Vince
From: gt2619b@prism.gatech.EDU (S. Axel Medlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Judge kills
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:23:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <18547419@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>In article <alt.drumcorps:2780, rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:172>, 
>raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee) wrote (Re: Judge kills):
> 
>|>Well, when I was marching with San Jose Raiders back in '82, there was this
>|>most unfortunate marching judge that was checking out our color guard (you
>|>remember -- the one's with the low cut costumes). Well, he was transfixed long
>|>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
>|>enough to have one of the Contra's back up right behind him.
>|>
>|>Then came the horn up.
>|>
>|>He recovered, but the dent in the back of the contra was a trophy that the
>|>contra player displayed proudly after that.....
>



My contra had a more than a few scars both from judges and from other 
corps members who didn't yield to rule of gross tonage.  For the
contra player, one gained respect and admiration for crushing
judges (or marching instructors who weren't paying attention, for
that matter). We would silently dare them to get too close.
We were upset when they would not let us paint little stick-figures
on the sides, like fighter airplanes do after making a kill.

In an unrelated incident, I broke a flute player's nose during a high school
band's scatter drill while I was twirling my sousaphone around behind my 
back. The gong sound hung in the air for almost a full minute and blood
was pouring out of the poor flautist's nose so fast she left a trail
all the way out of the stadium. I was congradulated by my peers for bashing 
such an elusive prey.

   Axel
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Judge kills
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:39:18 GMT

gt2619b@prism.gatech.EDU (S. Axel Medlin) writes:

>In article <BOB.92Dec28183831@volitans.MorningStar.Com> bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) writes:
>>(For r.a.m.m: this thread began with stories of scoring hits on corps
>>judges who were in the wrong place, then grew to involve other
>>personnel.  So it seems appropriate to bleed it over into ...misc.)
> 
>>a close-order drill with spins every 4 steps.  During rehearsal, a
>>frosh Sousaphone clobbered a hotshot senior trumpet player.  Knocked
>>him out cold on the asphalt.  He (the trumpet player) had to be
>>carried away.  Nobody minded too much because he (the trumpet player)
>>was really a little too full of himself anyway, and besides, he
>>happened to be the one that took the wrong turn.

>   Excellent!

>   Another good class of targets are cameramen. Most of you know how
>irritating those blundering local TV guys can be. I can remember when
>we were being filmed, when a mellophone player spun and laid the cameraman
>out flat, his camera smashed (the mellophone was bent up pretty bad). The
>player was pissed, and gave the guy a look that scared most of us. We
>thought she was going to actually step on the guy on the way to the next
>position but, as she told me later, that wouldn't have been lady-like.
>We never saw representatives from that station again, and could not
>decide whether it was the expense of the camera, or the face the mellophone
>player made that scared them off.



Yes, cameramen ARE great targets.  While marching for Ohio State in the
1980 Rose Bowl halftime show, me and my snare got a chance to clean the
clock of a cameraman.  I came up to a yard line, did a 270 turn and, at
the end of the 270, managed to hit a cameraman full in the lens with my
drum.  The camera smashed in his face, breaking both the camera and his
nose.  Yes, I did feel bad for him, and apologized after the show (while
he was being loaded into an emergency vehicle), but told him that in
actuality, he shouldn't be filming that close to band personnel while
they're marching.  He said he wouldn't be so keen on getting those 
"close up" shots in the future.  =)

allen
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: more Judging (from Prodigy)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:28:48 GMT
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Ellis Mirsky said:

There is nothing wrong with drum corps today that the elimination of judging
cannot cure.  An od perspective?  For the top 20 or so DCI corps, judging
does absolutely nothing but reinforce the preferential allocation of
financial resources to the "haves" and away from the people who need it the
most, the "have nots".  If drum corps' "cosmic purpose" (you know, it's
raison d'etre) is to teach, bring the less privileged among us access to
music appreciation and goal achievement and expose lower income youngsters
to a better way of life, what role does judging play in achieving that goal?

The acid test of whether we need judging is to do one show per year without
judges and allocate the gate receipts per capita among the participating corps
(in proportion to the number of live bodies they can put on the field).  This
would expose the falsehood of judging and allocate resources equally among 
those who need it most -- what drum corps should be about.

Ellis in Nanuet, NY (frmr Judge, Nat. J. Asc., frmr Sunriser


Michael Fath says:

I like the idea of a show without judging, an interesting experiment.
But Ellis misses a point that there is an inherent competitive nature
to drum corps that would be lost and that many people march in order to
compete and challenge themselves.  Scores are one measure (not the only)
of a corps success.


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