From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: hands off Patricia !
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:29:16 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet,alt.whine
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <1992Oct31.141341.16970@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
> In article <ALEXEEV.92Oct30150625@solitude.math.utah.edu>
> alexeev@math.utah.edu (Valery A. Alexeev) writes:
> 
>>I, for one, am simply ashamed and disgusted reading these incredibly
>>rude answers to Patricia's postings.
>>Can't you behave as decent people ?
> 
> Can you conceive of any standard of decency that differs from your own?
> 
>>I understand, this is USENET. I understand, this is s.c.s., the place
>>for the overwhelming hatred towards each other, different (from yours)
>>nationalities, different (from yours) views on everything.
>>But for God's sake, here's a woman, posting from Moscow, giving us, in
>>my opinion, very interesting fresh impressions (she is the reason I
>>started reading this hopeless group again), very sincere and obviously
>>in love with Russia.
>>Is it the latter you hate the most ?
> 
> Valery, we must have very different standards of interpretation as well.  I
> have gone on record several times as a somewhat lukewarm fan of our Moscow
> correspondent.  Note that this fact does not entail any feelings whatsoever
> toward her as a person, nor any sort of blanket approval of everything she
> writes, including, but not limited to, the trite standpoint from which her
> writing is conducted.  Yes, our dear Patricia is a very banal and mediocre
> writer, -- but banality and mediocrity both have their proper place, hers
> being somewhere between the good-natured pap of the NYT opinion page and a
> feminist counterpart of sweetly scatterbrained Dear Abby, -- and I
> cheerfully confess to a penchant for occasional consumption of both items.
> On the other hand, by dint of a lengthy if intermittent personal
> correspondence, I have come to hold in high esteem the character of Janek
> Wojdylo, a.k.a. INFIDEL, even as I tend to find the form of his articles to
> radically overwhelm their content most of the time.  Can you understand the
> point I am making, or do I have to use smaller words to facilitate your
> comprehension?

Michael (or Moshe, whatever you prefer):

I've read some of your articles and got an undoubtful opinion about you, which
can be expressed in a single word: "TREPLO".  You miserable attempts to show
your fantastic vocabulary leads you to loosing you point (if one ever existed). 
It's very nice of you to teach us some new Englis scientific words, but don't
try to mix them with your stupid opinion on everything around.  Just give us a
dictionary of your favorite words and shut up about evrything else.

If you think, that I am not fair to you, I'll get some examples from the text
above.  Who told you that Patricia is banal? Tell this person that he is a
lier!  She is not banal at least because she is unique.  I haven't seen a lot
of Americans (even more than that: Irish Americans) who would read any Russian
literature or go to study all the way to Moscow.

I may be agree with you that her ideas are questionable (sometimes), but it
doesn't mean that you should exercise your even more questionable
intellectuality on her and on people who try to be fair to her.

Sir, I also want to mention, that if you try to answer my challenge, don't
attempt to use your shot-guns, because I'm a member of the U.S.Army and may
answer you by the same token.

And don't use those fancy words for me, keep them for those who would be glad
"smotret' Vam v rot vsiu svoiu zhizn'",

respectfully,

Michael Martynov. 

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