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From: heineken.tuc.nrao.e!lmiller@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Recommended low-fat main courses
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:05:00 GMT
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In article <1992Jul22.154535.2193@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu 
(Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
> I've been analyzing my diet, and have come up with
> the following list of my favorite low-fat main course
> dishes.  If anyone has some other dishes to contribute, 
> I'd be delighted.
>
> 1) Lentils and rice.  I posted my recipe a few weeks ago.

Or any other kind of beans and rice. I like to make my own chili, with red
beans, pinto beans, etc.. Make a lot at once and then freeze it in small
portions to reheat later.

>
> 2) Mung beans and rice.  You should be able to find uncooked
> mung beans at Asian food stores.  They only cost about $0.79
> per pound.  They're easy to cook, since they only need some
> boiling and a little garlic.  It may take a while to get used
> to them though, if you're non-Asian.  (Incidentally, the
> beans and rice combination provides a complete protein mix.)
>
> 3) Low-fat (or non-fat) cottage cheese and fruit.  No
> cooking necessary!

One of my favorites also...
>
> 4) Tofu burgers.  You can find tofu burger mix at the 
> supermarket.  If you buy your tofu in bulk (e.g. at a co-op)
> this can be rather inexpensive.  In my opinion, these don't
> taste bad at all, especially with a dash of soy sauce.  Also,
> I recently tried making a patty out of 50% tofu burger and 
> 50% ground turkey.  Since the tofu tends to absorb the flavor
> of whatever it's cooked with, this came out rather well.  
> Tofu protein is almost complete, but if you want to improve the
> quality even more, try eating the burgers with other grain
> products, esp. corn or rice.
>

I was going to get into tofu, until I started reading the nutritional
information. Seems that about 50% of the calories are from fat. Is this
true with all brands of tofu?

>
> NOTE: None of the items I've listed above cost very much.  They
>certainly cost a lot less than most meats on the market.  What's more,
>they're nutritionally sound.
>
> 
>-- 
>Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU
>
>"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
> an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.


Luther
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: arm wrestling/Adam Silver
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:01:51 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul23.164753.249991@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>You've had two men pulling on your arm, and they lost.  Hmmm...
>
>So it would make it more fun for me, don't you think...(unless you think
>you're too much of a he-man to wrestle a woman...Huh?)  What about it?
>C'mon!  What are ya, a sissy?
>
>(My elbow's on the table)

Sorry for the confusion.  I meant that one man using 2 arms couldn't beat me.
I can't do that with just anyone, of course, but those guys were pretty strong.
I don't mind armwrestling women (and other things).  :-)  Ha!

							-Adam

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From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Re: Help me gain ten pounds!!
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:53:02 GMT

In article <Brt77L.Jt5@csfb1.fir.fbc.com>, dwarren@csfb1.fir.fbc.com (David Warren) writes:
|>   Q:  Any recommendations/changes to the regimen?
|>   Q:  What is a reasonable time frame to hit my target?
|>   Q:  How long to put on 10 lb of muscle?
|> 
|> Thanks in advance!!
|> 
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Well, to help you with the third question, a while back, I started taking three
servings of Joe Weiders's Crash Weight gain mixed with 50% Joe Weider's
Dynamic Muscle Builder and worked out vigorously everyday.  I didn't do a lot of
reps but I did less reps with lots of weight (i.e. I would work out with the
weight that I could only do 10 reps with, rest 1 minute, then do another 10
reps).  I gained 10 lbs. in 1 1/2 weeks.  I gained it so fast, I got stretch
marks that I still have today.  (I did this when I was 19 and now I'm 27)

The Joe Weider's stuff is good if:

a:  You don't mind spending $60 every 2 weeks or so.
b:  You like milk and don't mind a lot of gas.
c:  You can tolerate the incredibly shitty tasting powder.

If you don't mind a-c, then I would try this out.  It works!
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittman did...
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:26:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Jul24.152645.16871
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul22.220122.289041@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>Adam Silver asks:
>
>>Would you two like to arm wrestle me too....
>
>  Actually I think I would like to.  I've beaten the 3 men I arm
>wrestled(2 of them with both arms).  I'd like to try arm wrestling
>with a professional.
>
>K

kathi, perhaps you should come to boston the weekend of 8/14.  given the
number of netters that will be present, we could certainly have a
bodybuilding powwow that would be most informative, educational and
melodramatic.......especially with the egos involved.....

poobear
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: addition to last post re: iron
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:52:46 GMT

>From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
>
>Hmm...actually, I don't think it's usually quite that easy.  Certainly
>it hasn't been for me, any of the (numerous) times I've had to take
>iron supplements to get back into a normal range.  Last time I did it
>I had to take something like 5x the US RDA, and it still took four months
>to get back to normal.  The impression I got from my doctor is that it
>just doesn't get fixed overnight if you've got a real deficiency.

this is true. i was lucky enough that my iron level was just below normal.
keeping the level up high enough can be a real problem for some people.
the best way is to eat lots of green leafy veggies. cantelope also has
a fair amount of iron. maybe raisins too if i'm remembering correctly.
also, as i've said before, vitamin C helps to increase absorption of
iron, so eat oranges/grapefruit too! :-)
eating food is the best way to get vitamins, but some people still don't
get enough and need vitamin/iron supplements.

>Another thing: you do want to talk to a doctor about this.  One-a-Day
>Plus Iron isn't going to hurt you, but if you take too much of a
>supplement like ferrous sulfate, it is toxic.  Don't know what it
>does to you though.

also, fat soluable vitamins (A, E, D, and K) are toxic if taken in large
amounts. mega-doses are bad. but the one-a-day plus iron should be safe,
as they are intended to be taken one-a-day! ;-)
you should only be concerned if you are using mega-doses in addition to
one-a-day type vitamins. check your protein shake nutritional info!

if you are using vitamin supplements (with iron) already, there are also
iron supplements. some people get constipated by iron supplements, so
now there are iron supplements with stool softener, iron supplements
with non-constipation formula, etc. something for everyone! ;-)

one last note:  choose vitamin A in beta-caretene form over acetate form
when possible (beta-caretene form is not toxic, you body uses what it
needs and gets rid of the rest).

hope this helps...
Janice

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From: cs.tulane.edu!fs@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: rubber band machines
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:33:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
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I used to use Nautilus machines at a health club.
Nowadays I have neither the money for membership
nor the travel/dress/undress/wait-in-line time to spare.
So I'm looking into home strength-training machines.

Some of these use weight-stacks, some thick rubber bands,
and others use things that look like automobile shock-absorbers
for the resistance.  Any opinion on which approach is best/worst?

My own inclination is to avoid the weight-stacks
as being less safe with small children in the house.

The shock absorber type machines (e.g. Trimax & Nordicflex Gold)
are pretty expensive, except for one brand that didn't offer
a full range of exercises.

I believe competition will drive the prices down before long,
and/or lead to significant product improvements.
Therefore, to test my working-out resolve I am considering
a cheap $300 Sears rubber band model while I wait for
the really good machines to become affordable.
How good are these cheaper models?

(I value performance and convenience, and won't mind
that much if it breaks three years from now).

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Frank Silbermann fs@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University New Orleans, Louisiana  USA
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From: apte@leland.Stanford.EDU (R Apte)
Subject: Re: love handles
Summary: Lose weight
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:03:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.201950.255311@cs.cmu.edu> 
kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
[regarding  exercises to remove fat from the kidneys]

>If you have a bar to hang from, you can do alternating side frog lifts, or,
>if your abs are strong enough, straight alternating side leg lifts.  But
>your abs REALLY have to be strong.  Or, you could lie on your back and
>simulate side frog lifts on the groung, although this is better done
>on a bench.  V-crunches are also good; because you're working muscles
>above the waist, you're killing two birds with one stone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that there is any evidence that
localized weight loss can be had by working the muscle under the fat.
If you want to loose intramuscular fat, then by all means do the lifts 
or crunches.  But if your handles are normal, subcutaneous fat then you are 
out of luck.  Most of what I have read indicates that fat cells release fat 
on a first-in last-out basis, so eat less fat and keep your metabolism
high--
From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Triceps
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:50:31 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.

In article <BrvH4I.C5v@news.udel.edu> moody@brahms.udel.edu (John David Moody) writes:
>The best exercise I have done for my outer triceps are cable pushdowns.
>You simply attach a straight bar to a cable, then put your hands palms down,
>about six inches apart.  You then simply push down.  Be sure to keep your
>elbows close to your body, or the exercise will become more of a shoulder
>exercise.  This exercise has worked quite well in developing my outer
>triceps.  My inner triceps; however, could use some work.  Any ideas would
>be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John David Moody

Thanks for tip-- I'll try these.
Like I said earlier, I've been getting great gains I notice a huge difference
with my inner triceps. I'll list again what I've been doing to get them
that way:
	nosebreakers -- (anyone know the official name?)
		using a curling bar, hands in the inner position
		70 - 10  Its important to keep you elbows in as much as
		75 - 8   possible on this exercise. Do the absolute most
		80 - 6   weight you can, getting about this # of reps

	dips -- I always do three sets till failure, at my last workout
		I got 12, 11, 9. Depending on the angle you keep your body
		at when you do these, you will work both your chest and
		triceps.. I also find that stretching my lower pects before
		this exercise helps a lot (otherwise they get _real_ tight)

	close grip bench -- I have been doing these more recently to try
		and improve my bench, but long enough to be sure that they
		have conributed to my inner tris. I think that the nosebreakers
		and dips are really more responsible. Also, I am beginning to
		substitute other exercises for close grip bench...

Hope this helps,

Luther
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Weight training with diabetes ?
From: yeager@sc2a.unige.ch (Mark Yeager)
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:33:23 +0200
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland

In article <92204.015201SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu (S.
Wukovitz) writes:

> Well, I'm a diabetic who does weightlifting, though certainly not
> as intensely as many of the members of this grup seem to.  When I
> checked with my doctor, she was not overly thrilled (I do aerobic--
> stair machine--exercise too of course :-) and also mentioned that
> if I ever develop eye problems, I should stop.  Apparently weight
> lifting puts too much pressure on one's eyes (?).

Yes, the increase in blood pressure that comes with the strain of lifting
weights can increase the rate of capillary leakage if you have retinopathy.
But until there are signs of that, I believe lifting is ok.

> hand, she wasn't too thrilled about my vegetarian diet either, even
> though it has caused me to consume much more fiber, lose 35 nasty
> pounds (to be 5 pounds underweight), and have much better blood
> sugars and control in general.  Therefore, I'm probably going to
> find a new doctor :-)

I consume a mostly vegetarian diet (with fish several times a week) and I
agree that Bulk and Beans drastically improves control, and probably has
long-term vascular benefits as well. However, when I was hospitalized for a
biking accident, a blood test showed that I had low zinc levels, which can
occur with meatless diets. Since that time I have seen several articles
describing low zinc levels in insulin-dependent diabetics, even on "normal"
diets. It's not clear why. So you might consider getting a good blood test
sometime just to see, and take mild vitamin/mineral supplements, or zinc
alone if necessary.

--   -.-
Mark Yeager  ->  yeager@cgeuge52.bitnet     yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
 University of Geneva, Dept. of Biochemistry, CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Summary: Mostly kidding about the cold water, though ... !
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 JUL 92 13:48:52    


sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule) writes...
> 
>   The question I have is: if I am burning real calories, it can't be the same
>as burning calories during an exercise period. What's the equation? And, so 
> long as I am careful to replenish the lost water, is the calorie burn a 
> quantifiable amout that can be figured into my overall calorie burn count?
> 

I think the only reliable way you can truly quantify fat loss is with a water 
displacement test (immersion tank), or at least caliper test, taken over time.
There are some formulas for [(calorie burn rate) vs. (recovering heart rate)],
but they are very approximate and not dependable for purposes of establishing 
training goals.  Plus, they are relative to your own basal metabolism, which
is also hard to quantify.  Nor are the calories being burned ever guaranteed 
to be exclusively fat calories.  Too many factors involved to calculate, IMO.

And if you are really interested in maximizing fat burning, you should probably
sit in a *cold* tub instead of hot, to get the thermal fat burning effect 
that the body has under low termperatures (if you don't give yourself a 
cardiac arrest first of course) ;-).  

							kind regards,
							todd
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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt-x8236)
Subject: Re: Indoor aerobic exercise machine under $200
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:51:23 GMT

In article <2178153@overmind.citadel> aplcen.edu!banchy@overmind.mind.org writes:
>[...] the features I should look for are those features most highly touted in
>the NT: upper/lower body workout, weight-bearing stance, smooth action, and
>sturdy construction.
>
>  I've done a little shopping around, and it looks like the machine
>which comes the closest to meeting those criteria is the DP Air Strider.
>This machine is similar to the DP Airgometer that's been in stores for
>a couple of years -- basically a stationary bike with synchronized
>handles for upper body workout and a big fan for a front wheel.

What did you mean by weight-bearing stance above? I would have guessed that
any bicycle-like device would have been ruled out.

>The Air Strider, though, is designed for a standing posture, more like
>cranking your bike up a hill by getting up out of the seat.

Could you do this for extended periods of time? Would you be "standing up" for
most/all of your workout?

>Any and all comments on the Air Strider, or a potential better choice of a
>machine in the same price range would be greatly appreciated.

Do you really want a machine at all? One alternative is to have an aerobic
step (either commercial or one of your own making) and hand weights. Depending
on you budget and your creativity, you can have this whole setup for anywhere
from about $15 to a bit over $100.

Besides being cheaper, a step/hand weights setup will probably never break.

The main potential problem is that hand weights have not been proven to be
safe with the aerobic step -- that there's no study to confirm or deny that
the use of hand weights may increase the chance of injury while exercising. I
use 'em at home and don't have a problem.

>Tom

--phil
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From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:06:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.165238.23269@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>
>Anyone got ideas or observations as to how much of this muscle
>size or conditioning we can look forward to keeping and how much
>of an improvement it would make had we not lifted when younger?
>
>Just curious.
>
>GMS


	My father has been lifting for 45 years!!!! He is 61 now and in 
	absolutely fantastic shape - at 5'6" he's 150 pounds ripped, most of 
	the mass being upper body, too. Arms are just over 16 cold.

	His training has gone the same way as Gilbert's i.e. much much stricter
	and never below 8 reps. This is mainly due to recovery of joints and
	tendons seems to take longer at his age he says. 

	During the last 5 years or so he has tried adding some mass a couple
	of times but finds it extremely difficult at that age without putting
	on bodyfat. But maintenance of what he had 10 to 20 years ago is 
	alot easier (see Gilbert's question above).

	And as for muscle memory he is living proof! About 4 years ago he
	was struck down with the killer Legionaires Disease. He was lying
	in bed at home for 2 days with this disease before calling the doctor
	and still survived. Doctors reckon his fitness played a major part
	in his survival. After 6 to 8 weeks of lying almost motionless you
	can imagine the state of his body. Within 2 months he was working
	out with the same poundages as before and another 2 months later was 
	back into original shape (as described earlier).

	You can draw your own conclusions, but I know what mine are.

	Laurie.


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From: horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath)
Subject: Re: Assumptions of Drug Use by Olympians or Anyone Else (Very Informative)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:05:17 GMT

silver@woodstock.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>A very interesting point has been brought up about drug use in sports.  Just
>because someone is unusally big does not mean that they are using drugs,
>does it?

>Well, these days it is very easy to assume that someone with unusal size or
>strength must be using steroids or growth hormone.  I have met several people
>with incredible strength and size that really don't use any drugs.  It's hard
>to believe because so many people are using drugs these days.

People assume that everyone would rather take the quick way out (i.e.
drugs) than wait a little longer for the results. Also, due to training
misinformation, poor diet, whatever, those who don't make progress may 
assume that drugs are the only way.

It is unfortunate that fame is fleeting. Long before steroids or GH were 
on the scene, there were strong lifters - and they were strong in a
greater variety of lifts than are done today. A couple of examples (sorry,
don't have the info in front of me - all from memory) - I believe the
record for a one-handed deadlift was set back around 1920 and still
stands today. In the 1930's, a lifter used to stand a *500 lbs* barbell
on end, do a side bend to get it on his shoulders, stand up straight, then
do a side bend to the opposite side to put the barbell down on its other end.

Unfortunate, too, is the athlete who has asthma. Steroids are often the
only treatment that will help. The number of people who have asthma are
on the rise (in the USA, at least).

>Although I don't show any of the usual side effects of steroid use, I am going
>bald, fast.  This is an indication (sometimes) of steroid use.  It is purely
>genetic though.  All of the men on my mother's side of the family have heads
>like Captain Picard (Patrick Stewart) of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Welcome to the club, Adam (no, not the hair club for men :). I started 
going bald when I was 18 and that was a looong time ago. Believe me, its
great - no fuss, worry or bother. A little cold in winter, but, hey, that's
what hats are for.  :)

-George

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From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler)
Subject: Re: toning bands
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:11:51 GMT


I've been looking for these too and can never find them in stores. Maybe 
someone can post some mail order places?

Allan Adler
ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu