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From: jeff@neon.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Driving with parking lights only
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:50:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: neon.By1MFF.MtJ
Reply-To: jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)

>In article <24042@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watserv.ucr.edu writes:
>Why do people insist on driving only with parking lights on when it is dusk?
>Why don't they just turn on their headlights?  Beside the fact that it is
>illegal in many states, it doesn't make it that much easier to see the car.

Well, I do this on occasion (and admit it.)

I have pop-up headlights on my MR2.  I like to turn my lights on early
(eg, before it's totally black outside. :-), but don't like to look at my
headlights popped up.  I figure that the parking lights are better than
nothing at all.  I do turn the headlights on when it approaches dusk though,
regardless.

I'm sure that popping them up also effects my gas mileage, but it probably
doesn't matter that much.

Later,
	-Jeff
-- 
Jeff Beadles		jeff@onion.rain.com
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From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: ++WHISTLER 680/780/880++Which???!!!
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:50:14 GMT


  I hadn`t thought about it until I read it in another post in 
  this thread, but the 680 that I had was indeed a horrible 
  polluter.  I work part-time at a pizza joint, and it was always
  the big joke how my detector made EVERYONE else`s go off when
  I came into the parking lot.  

  Oh well, just another reason not to buy a Whistler.

  Steve 
  vetter@mtu.edu
From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: New gas sucks (flame)
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:23:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov23.192304.24975
Distribution: usa
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)

In article <1992Nov23.013230.26681@informix.com> neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.052956.4276@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>>Am I alone in hating the new politically correct, oxygenated gasoline? It
>>costs more. It lowers your MPG. And what does is do? Reduce emissions by 20%?
>>What good does this do if you have to burn an additional 20% worth of gas to
>>get the same number of miles out a tank? Somewhere I can see monkey suited
>><insert oil company name here> executives laughing all the way to the bank.
>
>My mileage has dropped about 10%.  Instead of a cruising range of 400
>miles, I now have to fill up around 360.
>
>If the emissions are reduced by 20% or more, then I'm more than happy
>to pay an extra $.05/gallon year-round.

As with Chevron's EC-1 gas, the emission reduction claim is 20% less emissions
from HEAVIER POLLUTING OLDER CARS. I'm sure emission reductions are MUCH less
with today's cars.

The new gas still sucks. People worry too much about the environment. After
all, smog levels are MUCH less than they were 40 years ago. And the credit
goes to making the engines more efficient- NOT by modifying the gas.

-- 
Bruce James Robert Linley | "Well, I tried shoving a weiner in the warp drive,
Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     |  but it didn't do a bit o' good."
<linley@netcom.com>       | - Star Dreck, c/o Dr. Demento
<linley@seas.ucla.edu>    |
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From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Spark plug types....
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:25:47 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.

In article <1e7s7tINN60u@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, drew@tcom.stc.co.uk (Scooby Doo) writes:
|> 
|> 	I saw in our local moto-shops a kind of spark plug called
|> 'Double-Copper'. It was claimed it could increase performance, lower
|> engine temperatures and make the car more fuel efficient with less
|> pollution....
|> 
|> 	Anyone know if this is true...
|> 
|> 	The plugs are made by CHAMPION...
|> 
|> 
|> Drew.
|> 
|> --
|> 	UK : (081) 945 3726		| The car in front is a Toyota...
|> Drew	ESN : 6 730 3726	    	| But not for long!! 
|> Wagar	US : +44 81 945 3726	    	| 
|> 	Internet : drew@bnr.co.uk	| GTi drivers do it faster!

-- 
I've heard they can also :
		rescue maidens from dragons .....
		speak to God .....
		read the news to you .....
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		etc .....

Stephen Quigg
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British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
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From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: Batavia vote on Photo-Radar
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:41:47 GMT

In article<1992Nov19.200102.9342@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>I got ahold of the Wall Street Journal brief from Oct. 20 called "Negative
>Reactions Jam Photo Radar".  In it was the phrase "in Batavia, Ill, voters
>barred it shortly after hookup."
>Was there a ballot measure in Batavia?  Does anyone know anything
>else about this?
>Joe Naiman

There was a referendum held on photo-radar in Batavia, IL and the
voters rejected the use of photo-radar by a 63% vs 37% vote.
That info is from a series of news clippings I have on file as
source material we used to defeat the use of photo-radar here
in New Jersey.  

Dispite NJ's "unfriendly to the motorist" reputation, the state's
chapter of the National Motorist Association, led by Steve Carrelas, 
organized a significant support effort to "outlaw" the use of photo-radar
for speed enforcement in the state.  We actually
have a state statute which makes it illegal for police to
use photo-radar for speed enforcement.

Hope this helps,

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From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: source for haka 10's
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:58:40 GMT
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Distribution: na
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Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

In article <7635@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> garyp@tekig5.pen.tek.com writes:
>	As the subject says we are looking for the address and phone #
>	for KT motorsports in NY.

K T Motorsports
71 Voorheesville Ave
Voorheesville, NY 12186
518-765-2206

(tell 'em richard welty sent you...)
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From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost)
Subject: Gas Mileage and Headlights
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:29:01 GMT


In my MR (85, 5spd, no wing) I get better mileage with the lights
down. My comparison data is:

	Drive to New jersey from Saratoga Springs

Night - 27-30 mpg
Dusk  - 30+
Day   - 30-38

I got 45 driving up here once, but that was tailing a Ford Explorer
the whole way.  I am sure that I was drafting enough that that
explains the awesome mileage.  Driving @ night definately cuts the
mileage down.  I have done this over a course of 2 years driving here
and back, so its not just one or two trips to average from.

		Jonathan
jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
4A-GE w/107300mi @ 7krpm in the snow = fishtail!


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From: maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU (Dragos Maciuca)
Subject: Pendulum Turn
Reply-To: maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Dragos Maciuca)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:34:10 GMT

Someone asked earlier what a pendulum turn is.  It is a rally driving technique
where the car is given a quick "twich" in the opposite direction of the turn.
It is meant to set the car for the apex and also to keep the car as much  as 
possible on the border of the "traction circle".

Please correct me if I'm wrong (Why am I writing this?  Of course someone will
correct me if I'm wrong.  Someone will correct me if I'm right, also).

dragos
 

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From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Night vision
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:45:02 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Nov18.130934.1744@mtu.edu> vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:
 >   Also, I wonder if these statistics take into account how many hours
 >   are spent driving by each group, as I`m sure the average young man or 
 >   woman spends more time a day driving than the average driver over 65.

My dad told me a couple of years ago that he had seen statistics in
which this issue was taken into account, and that elderly drivers are
indeed involved in more accidents per hour of driving than other
groups.  I have no idea where he saw them.  I can ask him if anybody
cares, but he may not remember.

--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
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From: joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So)
Subject: heel and toeing
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:01:18 GMT

Forgive me if this is an old topic. But could someone
please explain what is the heel and toe technique?

--------------------------------
Joseph So
Mathematics, U of Alberta, Edmonton
joseph@hyper.math.ualberta.ca
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From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Batavia vote on Photo-Radar
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:01:02 GMT


I got ahold of the Wall Street Journal brief from Oct. 20 called "Negative
Reactions Jam Photo Radar".  In it was the phrase "in Batavia, Ill, voters
barred it shortly after hookup."

Was there a ballot measure in Batavia?  Does anyone know anything
else about this?

Joe Naiman



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From: maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU (Dragos Maciuca)
Subject: Re: driving tips
Reply-To: maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Dragos Maciuca)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:22:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194810.13429@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
>
>    Once I was driving on a hiway.  For some reason, the car started drifting
>sideways and I corrected a little too abruptly.  Then the weight started to 
>shift from side to side as the car snaked forward wider and wider.  At the time,
>I was driving at about 100kph.  I first tried "opposite lock".  No good.  THen I
>braked, lifted off the throttle, while struggling to bring the car back.  Of
>course, these were the wrong moves since the car ended up in the ditch.  What
>should I have done to address such situation?
>    Any tips you can share with me are greatly appreciated.

1. Downshift (if you have a manual transmission car -- you better have one with all
the snow  in Alberta

2. DO NOT touch that brake!

3. No sudden moves (treat the car like a woman  -- or like a woman should treat a men)

4. If the car is front wheel drive, try a bit of gas when the wheels are pointing in
the right direction.

5. Keep calm!  You have all the time  to sweat once the car is under control.

6. Pray?

This is obviously an incomplete list, but what more can you do at 100 km/h.  Also,
to be frank, I'm talking a bit from my own experience (an accident at 160 km/h in
Italy over the summer).  Since I did all of the above (EXCEPT #3 !!!) I ended up only
with a minor scratch on my friend's car.   The other car who hit me and forced me 
into the emergency manouver was however in very bad shape.   Luckily everybody is
alive today.

good luck!
dragos
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Driving with parking lights only
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

Why do people insist on driving only with parking lights on when it is dusk?
Why don't they just turn on their headlights?  Beside the fact that it is
illegal in many states, it doesn't make it that much easier to see the car.
Do people think that they are saving their headlights by only turning on
their parking lights when it is dusk?  Furthermore, they are called parking
lights and as such should be used for that purpose, not for driving.  Just
turn those damn headlights on!!!

--
"It takes a big man to cry.
but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
				Jack Handy


judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: adamstr@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: RFI - Ford's 1992 full size van
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:43:00 -0700

I'm interested in receiving info from anyone out there who owns or has had
experience with Ford's 1992 full size van (either 8 or 12 passenger seating).
I'm interested in all comments, pro's, con's, etc.  Thanks!  

Please e-mail to   adamstr@cc.uvcc.edu

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From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost)
Subject: Re: New gas sucks (flame)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:05:05 GMT


> The new gas still sucks. People worry too much about the
environment. After
> all, smog levels are MUCH less than they were 40 years ago. And the
credit
> goes to making the engines more efficient- NOT by modifying the gas.

Bruce, I simply must disagree.  I don't think that we worry too much
about the environment - I don't think we worry enough.  Sure smog
levels are better.  SO?  The problem isn't gone.  You have to goto the
Jersey shore and see the smog trails that drift offshore from NY City.
They colour the horizon, ruin the sunrise, and fuck with the water.

Full applause to engine efficiency!  Making what we burn gas with do a
safer job is one of the best anwers.  Getting old clunkers off the
road, even if it means not being to own an 87 Lambo some day b/c it
violates emissions laws, just may be the answers.  The idea of a
cleaner burning gas is great too.  But this doesn't seem to be the way
to do it.  Not only are petroleum products limited, but higher costs
probably won't stop most driving.  Public transportation (not
mandatory, but useful!), higher economy gas, and public awareness are
the best things.  So easily dreamed yet so painfully attained?

        Jonathan

Your environmental advocate for today :)
jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
4A-GE w107300+mi @7krpm = Smile <:
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From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost)
Subject: Re: Braking Distances
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:15:58 GMT


Actually, in sand and gravel, etc, isn't locking better?  Something to
due with pushing the surface along and digging the tires in?  

	Just some randomness.

	Jonathan

jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu


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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: New gas sucks (flame)
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:29:56 GMT

Am I alone in hating the new politically correct, oxygenated gasoline? It
costs more. It lowers your MPG. And what does is do? Reduce emissions by 20%?
What good does this do if you have to burn an additional 20% worth of gas to
get the same number of miles out a tank? Somewhere I can see monkey suited
<insert oil company name here> executives laughing all the way to the bank.

-- 
Bruce James Robert Linley | "Well, I tried shoving a weiner in the warp drive,
Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     |  but it didn't do a bit o' good."
<linley@netcom.com>       | - Star Dreck, c/o Dr. Demento
<linley@seas.ucla.edu>    |
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From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: Night vision
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:09:34 GMT

cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.192332.4553@udel.edu> dan@seismo.pnl.gov writes:
>
>>While we're at it, how about requiring an
>>annual driving certification for those over 65?  I have too many
>>close calls caused by elderly drivers who either are not paying
>>attention to their driving, are incapable of reacting within a
>
>As accident statistics show, the most accident-prone group on the road
>is young men, not because they have slow reactions or bad sight, but
>because they take too many risks. Research in the UK has shown that
>the high accident rate in this group is caused by a particular subset
>of habitually aggressive and dangerous drivers. So the most
>cost-effective way of making the roads safer would be to take these
>dangerous young men off the road (all of whom think they are
>absolutely first class drivers). The UK government has decided to try
>to do this by removing the licence of anyone guilty of dangerous
>driving, and requiring them to pass both a specially stiff driving
>test, _and_ a psychological test, before they get their licence back.
>-- 
>Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
>Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
>5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #20

  Here in America, young men are also statistically the most 
  accident prone, with drivers over 65 coming in a close second.
  However, it has been my experience that the over 65 crowd causes 
  alot of accidents around them.  I have seen several instances of
  elderly drivers causing multiple car accidents or causing a car to 
  run off the road, all the while completely unaware of everything 
  going on around them.  I personally have been forced onto a shoulder
  twice, and into the oncoming lane of traffic once (fortunately there
  was no traffic, or I would have been forced to attempt to "push back"
  the offending car) by elderly drivers who didn`t seem to notice me, 
  even when I laid-on the horn.

  Remember, statistics lie!  

  Also, I wonder if these statistics take into account how many hours
  are spent driving by each group, as I`m sure the average young man or 
  woman spends more time a day driving than the average driver over 65.
From: garyp@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Gary R Pimm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: source for haka 10's
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:22:41 GMT
Reply-To: garyp@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	As the subject says we are looking for the address and phone #
	for KT motorsports in albany? NY.

	We need to order our supply of nokia snow tires and we can't find
	last years receipts.

	Thanks in advance 

	Gary Pimm
From: stresres@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Vanetten)
Subject: Re: Night vision
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:01:29 GMT

>The old and unknowing are incorrigable, but the young and unknowing
>will learn, the only way we have of learning nowadays-- by experience.
>Keeping them off the road just delays the problem.

You have a good point there, too bad we don't have a good way to give that
experience other than to keep sweeping up the glass and try again.  I guess
Darwin's stuff still holds true.
From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Night vision
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:29:03 EST
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

stresres@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Vanetten) writes:

> >The old and unknowing are incorrigable, but the young and unknowing
> >will learn, the only way we have of learning nowadays-- by experience.
> >Keeping them off the road just delays the problem.
> 
> You have a good point there, too bad we don't have a good way to give that
> experience other than to keep sweeping up the glass and try again.  I guess
> Darwin's stuff still holds true.

What we need to do is make simulator training a standard part of
driver's education, so people could learn how to handle emergency
manuvers without risking their lives or other people. It might be
interesting to make simulator testing part of the drivers test also.
I assume that a full motion simulators would be too expensive to let
a school purchase them in quantity, so I'm talking about sight and
sound simulators.

I think inexperienced drivers have two basic problems. The first one is
that although their physical reflexes are fine, their actual response
time is poor in emergencies, because they haven't had enough practice to
make their responses automatic. They think first, then they react. They
have a smooth set of reflexes for ordinary driving situations, but
usually don't realize that they haven't had the same "opportunities" to
develop those reflexes for emergencies.

It's like a martial art. It isn't enough to know the moves, you must
practice your responses until you can do them quickly and correctly
without thinking. This is why a martial arts master can defeat a
stronger and  faster, but less experienced opponent. The sixteen
year old's response time in an emergency may actually be poorer
than the old man with a hat's response time.

The second problem is that they haven't learned the limits of
themselves and their machines and drive beyond the limits of
both. With experience they learn to drive within their limitations.
Some people learn them quickly, some slowly, some never learn
their limitations at all. The sad part is that the last group
is often the most insistent that they are good drivers and that
all their accidents are due to bad luck and the incompetence of
other drivers.

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Paying a Reasonable Price for Gas
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:32:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.063644.5518@r-node.gts.org>, tex@r-node.gts.org (Terence Dulay) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.211812.16727@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tex@r-node.ts.org writes:
> >No..the Japeneese guy wasn't right about the USA...he is a damn 
> >LOOSER. If you do some research into that asshole who said Americans
> 
> Maybe not lazy, but illiterate.  Might I suggest that you do some research on
> the Japanese education system, which I think is vastly superior to what we have
> in North America.  Also, may I also
> suggest that you go home, look through all your grade school notes, and 
> teach yourself some basic grammar and spelling.  
> How ANY university could accept someone who writes as bad as you do is beyond
> me.  Probably because American standards are set to satisfy American people
> (i.e. very low).

First, this has nothing to do with driving, and I'm not defending the original
post, but I will defend US education.  You ought to research Japanese education.
Look at the suicide rate it induces in their children.  Look at how one's
entire career and lifestyle are defined by some relatively meaningless exams
when they are very young.  Look at how some of them must spend up to 17 hours
a day at schoolwork just to remain on track to a good career.  Their system
produces some prodigious test-takers, but little more.  It is stifling,
creativity is driven out of all the students, and those who do manage to
survive become one-dimensional personalities.

You claim that American University standards are too low.  Yet half the grad
students in this country aren't US citizens.  Students from all over the world
leave family and friends and come here at great expense to study in what is
pretty much universally acknowledged as the best place in the world for
higher education.  And where do the top scientific prizes normally go?  To
researchers at US universities.  I suggest you take a little more balanced
view of the world, and not just reflexively can the US at every turn.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
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