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From: dgh@edsi.plexus.COM (David Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:23:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr15.222346.1937
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:


>Try to keep track of what physics says, and what "sci-fi" says physics
>says.  Splitting universes are a nice idea, but (unfortunately, because
>physicists are intrigued by the idea, too) there is NO THEORETICAL OR
>EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE FOR IT.

Actual, the problem is that what the Theory says is, there's a 50%
probability of a dead cat *superimposed* with a 50% probability of a
live cat.  But nobody knows what a half-live, half-dead cat MEANS.  It's
a 'side effect', if you will, of the mathematics that make up quantum
theory -- so, if one wants to call that 'theoretical' evidence, you're
not totally off base...

However, again, nobody really has any idea what the math really means.
Superposition of probability states doedsn't translate into common sense
-- though it doesn't necessarily translate into parallel universes
either, that's just one interpretation of it.

To use a more 'common sense' example, say you buy a lottery ticket.
Now, is that a winning ticket, or a losing ticket?  Well, there's a
*chance* it might be a winning ticket -- but nobody knows until they
actually pick the ticket (which is the same as looking in the box for
Schrodinger's Cat....).   Your ticket (*in terms of winning or losing*
is one millionth a winning ticket, and 999,999 millionths a losing
ticket (for 1 in a million odds).  But the idea of a part-winning,
part-losing ticket makes no 'sense' -- just like a half-dead, half-live
cat doesn't make sense.  What it *really* means is up to what you think
overlapping probabilities mean.

Some people think that if you have two possible results (one live, one
dead), then the universe splits into two separate universes, one with
the first choice (live cat), one with the second (dead cat).  With the
lottery ticket, maybe the universe splits into a million universes, one
with a winning ticket, and 999,999 with losing tickets (and 999,999
separate, different winning tickets, one for each possibility).

Is this a 'valid' interpretation of the math?  You tell me.  A
Mathematician friend of mine tells me 'the math doesn't mean anything',
but I find it hard to believe that Reality doesn't mean anything, since
that IS what the math is talking about (in this case).  

I could go on, but since I already teach a 12-hour course on QM, I'd
probably never finish.  Feel free to email me (any of you) if you'd like
some further explanation or some good (non-technical) references...


					DGH
					oh my goodness, what can of
					worms have we opened here?


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From: kheldar@grafted.UUCP (Henry Karlson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed's Roles
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:00:25 GMT
Organization: GRAFTED, Central Indiana's Usenet BBS 317-881-4369

mark@storm.mmm.ucar.edu (Mark Bradford) writes:

> In <12519@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> 
> >He's played a raving egomaniac priest in Blake's Seven: Cygnus Alpha,
> >a raving egomaniac warrior in Mindwarp, the raving egomaniac king of the
> >hawkmen in Flash Gordon: The Movie, the raving (not necessarily egomaniac)
> >king in the first Black Adder, the god-emperor Augustus in I, Claudius,
> >and God in a Season 5 episode of Red Dwarf.
> 
> >Plus he was Robin Hood's father in Prince of Thieves, but he wasn't onscreen
> >enough to show much of an ego.
> 
> I'm a big fan of Brian Blessed, so I'm pleased to learn of some of his
> other roles -- I didn't know he was in _Red Dwarf_ or _I, Claudius_ -- but
> I'm surprised that, in these several messages, nobody has mentioned that he
> had a sizable role as the Duke of Exeter in Kenneth Branagh's excellent
> film of Shakespeare's _Henry V_.  Cool armor, too.  :)
> 
> "This is his claim, his threatening... and my message."
> -- 
> -- Mark Bradford (bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu) <> To err is human, to moo bovine.
>                   "It's an ill wind that gathers no moss."

Well, he was NOT in Red Dwarf!

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From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:26:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr15.130714.18840@onetouch.COM>, csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
: I cannot believe in the multiverse theory.  Why? First, it requires an
: additional spacial dimension, along which the multiverse's exist,
: hypothetically stacked like cards.  There is nothing in present physics which
: would account for the essentially quantum divisions along that dimension 
: which would be necessary to keep the universes distinct.
: Secondly, if they did exist, without a method of getting to them, they may
: as well not exist.  If we could build a machine that could do that, we can
: build one that can travel through time (space and time are the same "stuff")
: and Larry Niven gave an excellent rebuttal to time travel in an essay.

You find it easier to believe in a cat which is dead and alive (or neither) at
one and the same time?  Why?

p.s. I hardly think Larry Niven is qualified to either prove or rebut any
theories based on QM.

-- 

Dan S.
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Tomb of the Cybermen
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:10:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Apr11.191053.6511
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

According to DWM 185, the BBC has said that if the Tomb of
the Cybermen video sells at least 30,00 copies, they will make
a complete effort to contact all stations which have shown 
Doctor Who in order to try to find more lost episodes.  I'm
rather annoyed by this.  Basically the BBC is trying to 
extort Doctor Who fans into buying the video.

My question is: How much does an average Doctor Who video sell?
Presumably, Tomb of the Cybermen would sell more, since it is 
a lost story, etc., but this would give some idea whether the 
30,000 figure set by the BBC is "reasonable".

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: djsnyder@husc8.harvard.edu (David Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:18:32 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.131708.14576@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
>
>However, remember that the Time Lord Drax called the Doctor by 
>(at least what he thought to be) his true name, which I believe
>was Feiat. I'm not sure, but it happened right after they 
>encountered one another.  If I were at home instead of at college
>I could look it up, but I left my entire Dr. Who collection at
>home (all episodes from _Robot_, Tom Baker's first, to _Survival_
>the last episode produced, excepting NIGHTMARE OF EDEN and
>THE FIVE DOCTORS).  Could someone please confirm this.
>
>Thanks Ahead
>-- 
>Though it will take me to Forever's Rim,
>I sail through the reaches of Time's Twilight Dim.
>Questing for Knowledge, on Night's Darkest Sea,
>Bound for those shores enshrouded by Mystery.  --Thaliaer's Oath

He called him Theet, short for Theta Sigma, the Doctor's nickname in school
(established canonically in Happiness Patrol).  This is not the Doctor's
true name, which of course we have never heard.\
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:06:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.004525.10765@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
> > > I cannot believe in the multiverse theory.
> > You find it easier to believe in a cat which is dead and alive
> > (or neither) at one and the same time?  Why?
>I find it simpler to believe that we don't know whether the cat
>is dead or alive and we don't need theories about multiple
>universes to acknowledge that simple fact.  I mean who needs
>radioactive iodine and poison gas--- the cat could have
>suffocated in the box already for all we know. :-)
>

	But, remember, cats have 9 lives... and, radioactive cats have
18 half-lives... ;-)

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From: keeper@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Ron O'Dell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Pertwee Years
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:43:50 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Apr11.204507.26897@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher) writes:
>would someone mind mentioning what, exactly, The Hartnell Years
>contains from An Unearthly Child?  I'm interested in it, very
>interested, but I'm on a budget.  

It's the original pilot, as opposed to the real first episode.

In the pilot, the Doctor is very abrasive.  He confronts Ian and
Barbara, rather than trying to divert their attentions.  His
first line, even.  "Who are you? What are you doing here?"  In the
pilot, he's very angry -- in the final version, he asks it in a
curious manner.

There are many changes in dialogue between the pilot and the
final version, in the TARDIS scenes -- the pilot revealed too
much about the travelers.

The camerawork is different, too.  In the original pilot, the
director experimented with have two cameras which moved about,
instead of four stationary cameras.  In the junkyard, one of
the cameras bumps into some of the junk ...

When Susan is left alone with the French Revolution book,
instead of reading it and saying "That's not right!"
she takes an ink pen and paper, and does weird designs.

It is actually the pilot episode that was used to think
of nostalgia for "Remembrance of the Daleks."  For, in
the final version of the first episode, the French
Revolution book was white with black lettering.
In the pilot -- and in Remembrance -- it is black with lighter
letters.  Also, in the pilot, Jacqueline Hill (Barbara) catches
her foot on a wire on the floor -- in Remembrance, this is
done purposefully, involving Sophie Aldred (Ace).

Also, the flashback sequences in the pilot are full of badly timed
fades of video and audio.

And, luckily for us, the pilot episode's version of the TARDIS's
hum is horrid.  (Lucky for us in that it was changed when they
reshot the episode!)

There is a flubbed line or two in the pilot, as well.
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From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.science
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:53:23 GMT

>alberti@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Albatross) writes:
>
>
>>Schroedinger's Cat is one example of different universes:  a cat is placed
>>in a "black box" from which nothing can escape unless the box is opened.
>>With the cat is a sample of radioactive iodine with a short half-life and
>>a device which, upon detecting a radioactive emission from the iodine,
>>releases a poison gas which kills the cat.  The box is closed and left
>>closed for a time sufficient that the chance of such a radioactive emission
>>is exactly 50/50.
>
>>When the box is opened, two universes split off -- one in which the cat is
>>dead, the other in which the cat is alive.  Quantum physicists like to point
>>at the unopened box and crow that the box contains a cat which is exactly
>>half-dead, but none of them are willing to get in the box in order to report
>>precisely what being half-dead feels like.
>

Physics says absolutely NOTHING about "universes splitting off"
ANYWHERE.  It says only that, through the act of observation, we have
influenced the universe in some way -- that you can't say that you
"just" observe anything.  It says that the observer and the observed
interact with one another through the act of observation.  "Splitting
universes" are a science-fiction extension of this idea, the same way
the Special Relativity was "extended" by some sci-fi crackpot to mean
"Oh, we travel backward in time when we go faster than light!"
(I'm using sci-fi in the most denigrating way possible here.)

Try to keep track of what physics says, and what "sci-fi" says physics
says.  Splitting universes are a nice idea, but (unfortunately, because
physicists are intrigued by the idea, too) there is NO THEORETICAL OR
EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE FOR IT.

Regards,
Janis C.


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From: wgarmil@cs.ulowell.edu (WildCard)
Subject: Re: Question on the Master
Organization: /usr/ug/1992/wgarmil/.organization
	<domalley.702756482@unix1.tcd.ie> <#arjcsh.kemnitz@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:18:21 GMT


Okay!  Okay!  I admit I made a mistake!  I got some episode names mixed up,
and ended up making a mistake in posting.  Enough flame-throwing already! :)

Seriously, I got mixed up on which episodes the orginal Master died between.
Thanks for clearifying my mistake, folks.

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From: langbein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (The Fugitive)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Supreme Dalek's Report on Whoosiercon II
Keywords: Convention, Surprises, Fun
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:11:22 GMT
Organization: Information Builders, Inc.

In article <1992Apr1.133906.23135@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu (JACK) writes:

>             THE SUPREME DALEK'S REPORT ON WHOOSIERCON II

I noticed that this posting is dataed April 1....

>    The video room was *the* biggest hit of the con. There was an absolutely
> shocking screening of the recently unearthed "Tomb of the Cybermen", which
> was a total surprise. The video appeared to be of good clarity, although
> the large screen TV used in the video room did not have good enough picture
> quality to do justice to it. One feature of the video was its Chinese sub-
> titles, which was appropriate considering where it was discovered. Another
> shocker was a showing of "Tenth Planet", complete with a recently-found,
> reasonable-quality copy of the fourth episode. Not even the Daleks know where
> that came from! An *amazing* find!

Fess Up! Is this fact or fiction what you are saying! If this is for
real, then I can't wait to see them. Then again, the posing WAS on
april first....

Is what you say true or false....

				The Inquiring Fugitive
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From: joeyc@wpi.WPI.EDU (Confusion Personnified)
Subject: Re: Question on the Master
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:51:15 GMT

In article <WGARMIL.92Apr7162521@cs.ulowell.edu> wgarmil@cs.ulowell.edu (WildCard) writes:
>
>I think everyone is forgetting the real reason for the BBC doing this.
>
>The actor who played hte orginal Master died right before that episode
>was filmed.  Rather than kill the character off, the BBC had someone
   	If I'm not mistaken, Roger Delagado (The original Master)
        Died long before "The Deadly Assasin" was filmed.  As basically
        a Foil to The 3rd Doctor (and a friend to Pertwee), a new Master
        Was not considered for quite a while.
>play that decrepid version.  The next show was suppose to have the
>Master taking over another body, thus restoring the Master as a


  joeyc@wpi.wpi.edu
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed (was Re: Pertwee, etc.)
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:25:23 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> > 
> > Brian Blessed played RobinHood's father (short role) in "RobinHood:
> > Prince of Thieves" (Kevin Costner version). He played King Richard in
> > the first season of "The Black Adder". Does anyone remember that really
> > bad SF "B" movie he was in that I think was a version of Flash Gordon, wher
> > Flash is a football star? Very bad. He was king of the monkey people (yes,
> > like in Oz). 
> > 
> 
> He was King Vulcan in "Flash Gordon", not really a monkey people, they just 
> had big wings. (and remember FG was long before Star Trek, so this 
> character was the original "Vulcan")
> Also he was Augustus in "I, Claudius" and has done quite a bit of 
> documentary narration, including a PBS series on Mozart (or was it 
> Beethoven?).
> I am sure some one is at this minute working on a list of his screen 
> credits, so stay tuned.
> 
> Later
> 
> Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
> 
> April showers really suck.

If I'm not mistaken, he starred in a stage production of Metropolis.
He also appeared in a Blake's 7 episode and the HBO movie "prisoner of 
honor."

Dascoser
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller)
Subject: Re: Question on the Master
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:31:27 GMT

In <WGARMIL.92Apr7162521@cs.ulowell.edu> wgarmil@cs.ulowell.edu (WildCard) writes:


)The actor who played hte orginal Master died right before that episode
)was filmed.

Roger Delgado, The REAL Master, died between the stories 'Frontier in
Space' and 'Planet of the Daleks'--right after the Master had teamed
up with the Daleks.  I wish there was some way to know what 'Planet'
would hhave been like, the Doctor had just called Gallifrey in
'Frontier'.  I never did think Anthony Ainsley was quite as good at
the Master.

-- 
Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu> (From an ad for the Banana Jr. 6000)
"...well-documented research has shown conclusively that a child who
lacks his own personal computer during those earliest school years will
probably grow up to be a bass player in a heavy-metal rock band..."
From: greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Channels in Seattle Area?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:38:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Apr13.183818.11094
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr12.152234.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> dbarker@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.233557.10118@polari.com>, hnoble@polari.com writes:
>> 	Is Dr. Who available anywhere else in Puget Sound Area?
>>
>
>I don't think so, here in Victoria I can only get it via WTVS, channel 56 in
>Detroit. 

I take it YTV is not available in British Columbia?

I think the original poster should have a bit more patience with KTPS.  
Running a TV station is not like owning a VCR.  You can't just go out and
get some tapes and start showing them.  I expect to see Dr. Who on KTPS 
in May.

				Greg Barnes
				greg@cs.washington.edu
From: greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: channels
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:02:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <trent.05ow@termnet.chi.il.us> trent@termnet.chi.il.us (Brian Issleb) writes:
>As you say, there are a lot of new readers who MAY NOT BE AWARE OF ALL THE
>CAPABILITIES OF THE NET.  I don't consider it a mistake to post a message to
>everyone when I had never gotten any information concerning the fact that I
>could do otherwise.

All new users are supposed to read news.announce.newusers and the guides to
net.etiquette, etc. contained therein.  The information is there.  Either
you chose to ignore it, or the managers at your site did not make it clear
when you were given access to Usenet that you should read this group.

If it's the latter, I suggest you contact these managers and politely
request they make the proper changes.

				Greg Barnes
				greg@cs.washington.edu
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From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:00:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr15.130714.18840@onetouch.COM>, csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes...
>I cannot believe in the multiverse theory.  Why? First, it requires an
>additional spacial dimension, along which the multiverse's exist,
>hypothetically stacked like cards.  There is nothing in present physics which
>would account for the essentially quantum divisions along that dimension 
>which would be necessary to keep the universes distinct.
>Secondly, if they did exist, without a method of getting to them, they may
>as well not exist.  If we could build a machine that could do that, we can
>build one that can travel through time (space and time are the same "stuff")
>and Larry Niven gave an excellent rebuttal to time travel in an essay.

I have one thing to say:  The above article is a bunch of bullsh*t.

Counting out the possibility of time travel completely, current unified field
theory (which IS physics, by the way!) requires ELEVEN spatial dimensions.
Therefore, such alternate universes not only can exist, but very likely do.

There is no need for "quantum distinctions" to keep them seperate.  The same
thing keeps them seperate as keeps two sheets of paper separate from another,
or two points on a line.

Get a life.

Nah, you'll never get that far.  Get a Brain.

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