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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:38:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA


So does anyone have a list of cars which do not have automatic seat belts?

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Buying Cars from Auction Yards
    <BuF4Dn.F7A@apollo.hp.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:49:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ganek@apollo.hp.com (Dan Ganek) writes:

>>During the times when I was looking at the used car market, either for 
>>myself or for my friends, I found out that there might be a few number of 
>>people there making money by buying and selling used automobiles. Now that 
>>I had spent my fortune into my Firebird, I find it is quite tempting to 
>>join into that group. 

>1) Will the state consider you a used car dealer? In Mass. selling 4 or more
>   cars/year requires a dealer's license.

Here in Kentucky, Anyone who sells 5 or more cars per year has to 
register.  Naturally, there are a lot of people ignoring this, and
I don't know of any active enforcement of the law.

I've been shopping around lately for a cheap used car, and I prefer to
stay away from these "private dealers", for a number of reasons:

	Buying from one of these middlemen gets you all the disadvantages
	of buying from a dealer with none of the advantages.  You can't
	talk to the "real" previous owner and the "dealer" doesn't 
	know much of the car's past history.  If there's a dispute after
	the sale though, he'll almost certainly claim it was a private
	sale (where the rule is "caveat emptor") whereas a real
	dealer has an implied warranty of merchantibility, plus a
	few other legal protections, that he has to follow.

	When you buy a car from one of these "dealers" he typically
	has a set of transfer papers with the seller's side filled
	in by the previous owner and the buyer's side blank.  This 
	means (a) this fellow has been operating the car without
	transferring it into his name, avoiding paying his share of
	property taxes et al., putting the previous owner at some
	legal risk, and breaking state law, and (b) if you buy the
	car the papers won't reflect the role of the middleman,
	making it harder to prove who you *really* bought it from
	should the need arise.

	By not registering as a dealer these people are avoiding paying
	certain taxes and fees that real dealers have to (and some that
	any business has to), putting the (comparatively :-) honest
	dealers at a competitive disadvantage and depriving the gov't
	of money it's (arguably) entitled to.  [Short translation:  I
	don't like people who cheat on their taxes.]

	Last but not least, given that a seller is being demonstrably
	dishonest, I can't trust him/her not to have doctored the car
	to make it seem better than it really is, and I can't trust
	the claims he/she makes about the car.

Now, how do I get off of this high horse?...
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
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From: tmca@Wairau.as.utexas.edu (Tim Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee pricing
Keywords: Jeep SUV Utility vehicle
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:06:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

I just got a hard price of $23100 on a Grand Laredo with 5-speed, 
up country suspension, power group ('lectric everything), security
group (it screams for Momma if you so much as touch it), swing out spare,
tape player, all the skid plates, straight 6 (which gets more torque 
than the V6 although less peak power). Now all I've got to do is
find the money.

Tim


Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.tech
From: huston@mksol.dseg.ti.com (william a huston)
Subject: Checker Marathon Parts
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:29:40 GMT

Can anyone tell me of any places that specialize in new 
or salvaged Checker (the cab company) parts? 

My friend is specifically looking for a tie-rod center link.
I never read these groups so *** email please ***

Thanks!

-- 
Bill Huston      214-480-4610 
Texas Instruments (Dallas/Forest Ln), ICC
MSG: ZAPA    email: huston@ap040.csc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu
Subject: Car insurance.
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:03:35 GMT

	People say that insurance companies consider all 2-door cars as sports cars
	and charge more insurance fees on them. Is that true? Even if I buy a
	2-door Toyota Celica, is that a "sports cars"?

	Ming
_________________________________________________

"I don't want to get in shape! Round is a shape!"
				     --- Garfield
From: dlou@KRUSHER.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:14:40 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <1992Sep11.163320.11777@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) writes:
|> Did anyone else see the report on safety belts on 'Street Stories'
|> last night (CBS, 9PM)?
|> 
|> Apparently, a certain type of safety belt buckle used during the past
|> 10 years or so may have a fatal design flaw.  I think the only buckle
|> that was discussed was the kind with the release button in the middle
|> of the buckle.  They showed how easy the buckle released when hit with
|> something or even when slapped across someone's hip.  The claim was
|> that in certain kinds of accidents, enough force exists in the right
|> place to cause the buckle to release.  Several serious injuries and
|> at least one death is blamed on this problem.
|> 
|> Now, how much validity is there in this report, and how do I tell if
|> _my_ safety belts are prone to this kind of failure.  If I have 'bad'
|> buckles, is there anything I can do?
|> 
|> I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on this matter.

Great, just what we need.  Another potential argument for mouse belts.

Why couldn't they do a story on how dangerous those stupid motorized belts are?

-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Merkur Parts Source(s) Wanted
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:04:36 GMT

In article <1559@elvis.UUCP> cbc@adpgate.UUCP (Craig Chabala) writes:
>I am attempting to find a (performance) parts source for my '86 Merkur XR4Ti.
>I was hoping for some help from europe, as this car is a LOT more popular
>over there than in the states. The FORD motorsports catalogue is pretty sparce
>when it comes to anything having to do with the 2.3 liter engine.

In article <1992Sep13.051846.2650@koko.csustan.edu>
james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
>Rapido group or engineering in the back of "turbo" magazine does these
>rigs up to 400hp.

Rapido Group's number is (503) 620-8400. Catalog's $5.
If you just need parts, use Lou Fusz Ford parts in the St. Louis area. They
give a 20-30% discount on Ford's (ripoff) prices. 800-533-2175.

Have you joined the Merkur mailing list? Send requests to:
  merkur-request@pcad.UUCP

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Not one of the "PC" weenies.
From: jchu@pyramid.COM (Jan-Hua Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GMs plan: New Credit Card (MC, then possibly VISA)
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:01:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <67869@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI) writes:
|> The plastic to steel: 
|> GM is to announce its new MasterCard: 
|> 	(if the news is precise)
|> 		No Annual Fee
|> 		10.6% interest rate
|> 	and
|> 		credit on GM new cars (forget the percentage).
|> 
|> It should be in the news somewhere today.
|> 
|> Sq

Actually, I've got the GM Card invitation yesterday, 9/8.
The interest rate is 16.x%.
They will give you 5% of the purchases you made as credit
toward purchasing or leasing a GM car.  This credit will
be on top of other discounts/incentives.
From: curtiss@burn.colorado.edu (Brian Curtiss)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Speaker Cover
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:19:34 GMT
Organization: Center for Study of Earth from Space, U of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1685DB1D7.R2MSM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> r2msm@vm1.cc.uakron.edu writes:
> 
>   Hello All,
> 
>   Forgive me if this is cross posting.
> 
>   Help!
> 
>   Recently, the cover of one of the speakers on the door of my car came
>   loose and got lost while it was open. Could somebody tell me where I
>   can get a new cover for this speaker. The stereo is pretty expensive
>   and I'm not interested in buying new speakers.
> 
>   Thanks in advance...... Madhav (r2msm@vm1.cc.uakron.edu)
> 
You can get a replacement speaker cover either direct from Apline or
many mail order places should carry it. The part number is 6256CD-C05.

How did he know, you ask? Must be a clairvoyant.
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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:31:10 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, jwg@iedv7.acd.com ( Jim Grey ) writes:

>I was always under the impression that  it is far, far more likely for a car's
>door to be wedged SHUT during an accident than for it to pop open.

I think this probably holds true for head-on collisions, and other frontal
collisions. Anything else, though, and weird things start happening.
I saw a truck do at least 5 nose to tail rolls after striking a light
post. (speed unknown, but in excess of the 30 mph posted) The doors,
tailgate, and other odds and ends were strewn for a good quarter mile
down the road. The guy was not wearing a seat belt at all, although
it probably wouldn't have helped anything except the mortician trying
to fix him up for an open casket funeral.

Ron

55 is relative...
From: chrism@Ingres.COM (Christopher Marlowe)
Subject: I'm looking for info on Porsche 911
Reply-To: chrism@Ingres.COM (Christopher Marlowe)
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:00:07 GMT


Does anyone in net-land know of any slight modifications one could do
to a 1982 Porsche 911 SC, to give it more horse power?

Or, does anyone know of a Porsche news list out there?


Thanks in advance,

Chris Marlowe
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend)
Subject: Re: Door Horror
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:39:31 GMT

sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:

>>>come out to find this idiot had the nerve to key his
>>>car and rip the molding off it?!?!?!?!?!
>>Vandelism is immature no matter what the circumstances but you certainly
>>deserved a reprisal for your own immaturity.

>>Jim
>Tell me, why are others "assholes" for parking within the lines?  I
>cannot count the number of times that inconsiderate drivers have taken
>more than one space in an already crowded lot.  I used to drive a "boat",
>too, but I have *never* been in a lot where I had to take more than
>the space alotted between the stripes.

I believe that he is referring to taking two spaces front to back.  I am
sure that he also manages to get "between the stripes."

>As for your assertion that drivers of compact cars somehow deserve to
>be dinged/scratched/dented/keyed for parking properly between the lines,
>but with the misfortune to be parked next to a space-hogging idiot:
>bullshit. 

>Scott

I don't believe he asserted that.  Read the sentence:  "Vandelism is
immature no what the circumstances . . ."  The reprisal he referred to
is probably only in E-Mail (which should be private).  No one on this
list actively damages others' cars, because they wouldn't read this list
if they didn't have an overall appreciation for all cars in general.  I
hope.  

Michael
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Hyndai Excel
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:56:24 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <11SEP199222560729@cc.utah.edu> djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:
>In article <Bu4tHA.EzH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v069pff7@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snake-Eyes) writes...
>{ 
>{I am thinking about purchasing an '88 Hyndai excel. can anyone who owns one 
>{tell me what they think about it...thanks
>{-Joel
>
>
>Well, I don't own an '88, but I just bought an '89, and actually I was 
>scanning the news to see if anyone else had anything to say about them.
>I love it.  The Consumer Reports Guide to Used Cars rates it very 
>highly, about the same or maybe slightly less overall than a Honda
>Civic of that year, but you can't touch a same year Honda for the 
>price of a Hyundai.  The phrase which sticks in my mind the best from
>Consumer Reports was "Sirloin features at hamberger prices."  


Are you sure you are talking about the Hyundai Exel, maybe you are
thinking about the Sonata. The phrase that sticks to mind for me is
something along the lines, "The car is cheap, and driving it you know
it".

In THEIR opinion the car is unreliable and in general much less
qualityhan a Honda Civic. Are you sure you read Consumer Reports????

john
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"I can't compete with you physically,      /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
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From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GMs plan: New Credit Card (MC, then possibly VISA)
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:25:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <e0Hh030B80yM00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
|>In article <1992Sep11.134209.21625@mixcom.com> kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com (kevin.jessup) writes:
|>>
|>>
|>>Exactly my question.  Mike hit the nail right on the head here!
|>>
|>>Say I make my best deal.  The dealer is ready for me to sign the contract.
|>>Then I say, "Oh, by the way...I've got this GM credit card here..."
|>>
|>>I bet the deal is off then!!!
|>
|>  I think the 5% cash earned is a rebate; whatever deal you make with the
|>dealer holds.   Also I don't know if Saturn is considered part of this
|>credit card deal.
|>
|>  I also heard that they are sending out 30 million pre-approved cards!
|>
|>  Doug

Wasn't there a poster said he received the invitation? Please
type the fine prints to help the world solve the mistery.
[my guess is that the dealer will start with: do you have a GM card?]

Sq
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: lucyj@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Lucy Jiang)
Subject: Factory to Dealers incentive for LEXUS ES300
Reply-To: lucyj@cheers.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Lucy Jiang)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:38:13 GMT

;.
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car insurance.
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:47:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep11.150335.5378@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
>
>	People say that insurance companies consider all 2-door cars as sports cars
>	and charge more insurance fees on them. Is that true? Even if I buy a
>	2-door Toyota Celica, is that a "sports cars"?
>
>	Ming

nope, a celica is not a sports car...it is s...l..o..w..and overpriced.
a friend of mine bought a 91 gts for 20k and my brothers 11.5k escort can
outrun it everytime...up to about 100mph anyway.
From: dug@athena.cs.uga.edu (Douglas Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Superchargers...
Summary: Supercharged vehicles
Keywords: turbo, supercharger, Eaton
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep8.161000.28648
Distribution: rec.autos, rec.autos.sport, rec.autos.tech
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I've been hearing some about the new "supercharged vehicles."

Does anyone out there have any comments on these.  Are they good?  Are they
bad?  Compared with a turbo charger?  What does everyone think?

I know of the Ford Thunderbird SuperCoupe, Pontiac SSEI, Buick Park Avenue
Ultra, and a few more are supercharged.  Are there anymore?

dug
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: jwg@iedv7.acd.com ( Jim Grey )
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.094639.16949@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>Yes, the mouse-belts are annoying, but they are certainly safer than the
>ones that are attatched to THE DOOR of the car.  When the door pops open
>in an accident, you aren't being held in by anything, so SPLAT!  Talk about
>stupid. 


I was always under the impression that  it is far, far more likely for a car's
door to be wedged SHUT during an accident than for it to pop open.
 
I am also under the impression that there's some sort of standard that      
carmakers have to follow about door latch security, and how much force has
to be exerted on a car before the latch fails.  I thought that amount of force
was pretty durned high.                                   
 
Unfortunately, I have no references to back up my claims.
 
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fred Puhn (Was: front disc brake question)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 22:33:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <fqtns7g.esprit@netcom.com>, by esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry):
> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>>going to provide some references:
>>
>>_The Brake Handbook_, Fred Puhn, HP Books
>>_Prepare to Win_, Carroll Smith
>>_Tune to Win_, Carroll Smith
>>_Engineer to Win_, Carroll Smith
>>
>>these esteemed gentlemen don't particularly like drum brakes, and
>>they have backgrounds that are probably orders of magnitudes more
>>impressive than those of anyone posting to this network.
> 
> Who is Fred Puhn?  What is his background?  He also has a very good book
> called _How to Make Your Car Handle_, also from HP Books.

I have the latter; it is excellent.  Fred Puhn first came to public
notice in the late 60s as the designer, builder, and sometimes driver of
the Quasar.  This car ran in what is now the SCCA D Sports racing class.
More than one Quasar was built and they dominated DSR on the west coast
and at the national run-offs for 5 or 6 years.  Fred than went on to
other things, including the books.

Chris Prael
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Saturn, Honda, and Japan
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:34:23 GMT

In article <minor.716251601@coal8> minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor) writes:
>...how can American car companies
>b*tch about Japan not buying their product when the steering wheel is
>on the wrong side ? Yes, it is expensive but the Japanese paid the costs
>to get the market...

This is kind of a vicious cycle; one side might have said, "why bother
with the expense of engineering a right-hand-drive wheel, if the market
won't let us sell them there anyway?", and the other, "we wouldn't buy
your cars anyway (e.g., because the steering is on the wrong side)."
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Xref: sparky rec.autos:21549 rec.autos.tech:12297
From: dwl@apple.com (David Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: 1-800-DENT-MAN (1-800-336-8626)
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:53:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA


Hello,

Does anyone have any experience with a dent/ding repair business that can be
reached by calling 1-800-DENT-MAN? Apparently they are a national business
with representatives throughout the country. They are supposed to do
"paintless" repairs without the use of bondo. 

Any experiences appreciated. Please e-mail responses as I do not read news
very often.

Thanks
-David
dwl@apple.com


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dap3257@zeus.tamu.edu (DON PERLICK)
Subject: Re: Manifold Wrap to <turbo lag
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:58:00 GMT

>In article <1992Sep10.164901.18303@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Man Of Steel) writes:
>>Just thought I'd run this by y'all.  I was looking through a parts
>>catalogue and saw a high-temperature wrap for the exhaust manifold
>>of turbo-charged engines.

	My 2 cents... I thought about this, but figure it would be
bad news from an oil standpoint.  All of that heat, both while the
engine is running and at shutdown is being kept in the turbo bearings.
I'll take it on the advice of the manufacturers that it works, it seems
plausible to me, but too much heat for me...

Don