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From: eswaran3372@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Kadammanitta fans? (NOT A FAN)
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:12:02 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <199212222353.AA03965@mp.cs.niu.edu>, t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu
(Bijoy Sagar) writes:

> I would like to know if there are any Kadammanitta Ramakrishnan fans here?
> Could someone please post at least some of his poems like "Kali" Shanta"
> etc... Also, I would like to see any of Chullikad's poetry too.
> Any ackers listening?

You bet, I can hear you loud and clear. 

I have read Kadammanitta a couple of times, though I am not a fan of his.
I can recite a few lines from Shanta. Accuracy is not guarateed :-( 

        Shante~ Kuli kazhinjeeran pakarnnu
        Waar koonthal vakanju purakoottittu-
        daaseena bhaawaththilaakkaNNiNakaLezhuthi
        Nerukayi-lanjanam charthi-chchuntiloru cheRu
        Punchiri Naalam kolothi varika Nee
         ...............................
        Karpoora DeepangaLakatte kaNNukal
        Kasthoori poLe~ maNakkatte vakkukal

This is all what I remember (been long time since I read it).

In addition to all types of trivial disclaimers, I want to say 
that I am in no way responsible for any interchanges between 'V's
and 'W's in the above.   

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul" and Math in Mediaeval Kerala
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 20:03:56 GMT
Expires: References: <Bz5wtr.1u3@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> <Bz7ztE.Lty.1@cs.cmu.edu> <85497@ut-emx.uucp> <1992Dec21.205236.24192@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Reply_to: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Corporation, Kingston NY

In article <1992Dec21.205236.24192@news2.cis.umn.edu> saptho@ee.umn.edu (Sapthotharan K Nair (grad student)) writes:
>I have heard of Madhavan, a mathematician of ancient Kerala,
> as being the discoverer of Pythagorus theorem.

 When I was in school I was taught that Pythagorus discoverd
Pythagorus theorem. May be it should be called Madhavan's 
theorem. 
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From: small.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Propaganda? (Re: The Hindu Digest)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:47:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: small.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@small

In article <C018y9.vt@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> arun@sun1.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca  
(Arun Achyuthan) writes:
> Looks as if the propaganda machinery of The Hindu Digest has spread
> its tentacles to a.c.k. as well. Let us see how many "lies" they
> tell in one article.

	If we are all unanimous that we don't want such articles
like the Hindu Digest to appear on ACK, then why not write an
e-mail to the author and ask him not to post it?

	If on the other hand, any of us decide to start writing
rejoinders on this newsgroup, it might start a debate, and then we 
will be no different from SCI or any other such newsgroup. In case 
we do see such articles which promote one religion at the expense
of another, I think the best idea is to keep silent and not reply to
it in the group. That may keep our newsgroup clear of garbage.

	I'm all for getting rid of such trash from ack. One reason why I
like reading this newsgroup (the only one that I read) is because it is
very refreshing. It didn't have any trash like the Hindu Digest. Hope
others agree in helping to keep it this way. Kerala is unique in
India. Let's maintain that uniqueness in our newsgroup.

	One argument against this posting is that it may stifle the 
freedom of speech. But then, the argument goes that it was that freedom
to show the riots in Indian TV, by foreign news media, that caused it to
spread so quickly. What do we want? Freedom of speech or a peaceful 
newsgroup?

TATA!
Sateesh
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From: kanil@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: "Merry Christmas to you, Ackers"
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:14:21 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

  **********************************************************************
      "Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year"
                                           - Anil Nair
  **********************************************************************
From: thomas@agen.okstate.edu (Prakash John Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Biodata to Ackerlist
Date: 2 Jan 1993 19:15:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Name :=  Prakash John Thomas
D.O.B:=  June 14, 1968
Place of Birth :=  Tiruvalla, Kerala
Schools  :=   Indian School Kuwait , 1971 - 1984
              St Josephs HSS, Coonoor,  1984 -  1986
	      Kumaraguru College of Technology, Coimbatore, 1986 -  1990
	      Oklahoma State Univ., Stillwater, OK, USA  1991-?  (MS)
Field :=  Computer Science
Marital Status :=  Single (Christian, Jacobite )
Interest :=  Soccer, Basketall, Badminton, Table Tennis, Racquetball,etc,etc
             Heavy Metal, Rock and anything that sounds good.

Motto := All rules are meant to be broken
From: anandam@eng.auburn.edu (Ananda K. Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: (none)
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:22:29 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



It  is really encouraging  the way Satheesh and Co reacted against the article
Hindu Digest. Also it is sad that the  Bhatnagar's  are  still adamant about the
posting.    
   
        The  Hindu religion  speaks about  `Manodharma' which is not to be seen
in the case of the so called Bhatnagar.All along religion has its telling 
effects  on humanity.To add with , the recent Ram janmabhoomi issue gives one
a clear conscience that conditioning is the root cause of all problems.If one
sees the absurdity of the conditioning and relieves from it then atleast these
petty problems can be solved.Alas! the Bhatnagar's ever realise that!

I seriously think Paul should do something to  stop this Bhatnagar from playing  fool with  our group     The same enthusiasm  was not there in Sundara Pandians case. At least people shouldn't take ACKERS  as granted.


Retialition from a new ACKER-Anand.
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Keeping a.c.k. clean & all that jazz.
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:01:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


When I saw the hindu digest posting I decided to wait till
someone else pointed it out.

Great work, satish, that article was a very clear statement.

Since we are an unmoderated group we must always be on the lookout
for attempts like these to post propoganda.

How do we deal with such attempts in the future ?

1. Avoid responding directly on the net unless it is to tell the 
   person that such posts are unwelcome. As a rule one or two 
   posts are enough to convey this point clearly to the person
   concerned. The silence of the rest is tacit agreement with the
   condemnation of the article.

   Like satish said, * never * respond by refuting the arguments or
   material contained in the post, it may provoke a discussion on the
   topic, and soon we have net noise and general ugliness, which will
   make a.c.k. another sci.

2. Feel free to send e-mail to the person posting, frankly telling him
   or her to get lost, because such material is not welcome in a.c.k.
   
3. If such attempts continue from the same person, exercise your right
   to have a noise free forum: Send the system administrator
   mail complaining about misuse of account, and the nature of the newsgroup.

  If you have any difficulty identifying the sysadmin ask anyone on the
  ackerlist, they will be either be able to tell you or point you in the
  right direction.
 
4. If the same nuisance continues for an extended period of time from the
   same person, we can think of stronger measures, which may even mean
   getting soc.culture.kerala as a moderated group, or mail - jamming.


I hope we never have to resort to any of these methods.
But be prepared to do so.
If you see an article you think does not fit in with the charter
take immediate action.



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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: RKRISHNAN@FINABO.ABO.FI (Radha Krishnan STU)
Subject: Malayalee in Finland
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:44:10 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Namaskaram,

Yes there are Malayalees in Finland too. The land where Santa Claus lives 
(though this status has also been claimed by Sweden and Greenland).

Ever since ack has been formed I've been thinking of posting an item 
or two. Each time I read an interesting item, a counter comment or some
supplementary opinion formulates in my mind. But due to pressure of work
(and a bit of laziness) I never made any posting to ack (until this time).
I wonder how many such readers of ack are out there?

Here is my brief profile: born in Trivandrum; studies started at Holy Angels
and wound up at University College, Trivandrum; and here I am now in Finland 
doing my master's in Information Science. In fact I've almost completed my 
thesis and shall soon move on to England - Sheffield University, to be 
precise - to do some preliminary work on my doctoral research and upon 
completion of which I've to toss a coin to decide - should I return to Finland,
or, should I pitch my "tent" in England?

My position in Finland, I think, is a bit different than most of you guys
(girls included) in that there are so few foreigners in this country (45000
according to the latest count). A vast majority of these are Europeans. This
means few non-Europeans and fewer Indians (about 300) and no one for me to
talk in Malayalam. Yes there is one guy with his wife from Trivandrum living
in a small town about 700 kms from this place who seldom speaks Malayalam (for
reasons known best to him). To sum it up - there is not an iota of any aspect
of Indian culture in this part of the world. Oh yes, there is an Indian embassy
in Helsinki.

Maybe I shall write more about it in the proposed magazine for a.c.k. But 
according to the posting of Paul Chemmanoor (regarding the magazine) articles
should be about India/Kerala and its culture. So a Malayalee's life in Finland
will not satisfy those conditions. Maybe Paul or some one from the committee
could shed more light on these aspects. I think the magazine is an excellent
idea especially for Malayalees like me who are thirsting for some news from
home!

Wish you all a Merry Christmas and best wishes for 1993. Keep the Christmas
spirits high - drop in at the nearest pub!

Radha Krishnan
From: sathi@cco.caltech.edu (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Parallel proverbs
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:55:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu

English: When in Rome do what the Romans do.
Malayalam: nAdOdumbol naduvayOdannam
		or
	   chaera thinuna nAttil chenAl naduthundam thinnanam.
(I am very poor in transliteration - I'll write the translation).
	when your country runs, run in the middle!
	        or
	when you go to a country that eats snakes, eat the biggest piece!



English: Where there's a will there's a way
Malayalam: If you want it to, the jackfruit will grow even in the roots!

English: Many drops make a big ocean
Malayalam: (same as above)


That's all for now. Others in ack are free to transliterate.

TATA!
Sateesh
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		| 128-95, Caltech
who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
		| (818) 564-1225
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: alt.culture.bengali
Date: 27 Dec 1992 20:44:32 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Samit and others,

	I got the impression from your letters that the newsgroup
alt.culture.bengali is *being* pushed. So, here are certain 
clarifying points:

	I am following the suggestions of Christopher Samuel,
( ccs@aber.ac.uk) who maintains the FAQ on the topic and this
FAQ can be accessed from the relevent newsgroups.


	Unlike a soc.* group, an alt.* group can be created by
almost anyone. And alt.* groups need not have a VOTING stage.

	However, since I proposed this group, I plan to have 
referundum 3  weeks after the posting appeared on alt.config
and soc.culture.indian. The three weeks are required for all
interested parties to read the charter and offer their opinions
on the charter, purpose and the name of the group. 

	After 3 weeks I would expect a nutral person with
resources ( preferably someone who has no interest in the
newsgroup or the destruction of it) to keep track of voting.
The voting results will be posted in alt.config, soc.culture.
indian, soc.culture.pakistan and in any other newsgroups of
relevence. The newsgroup CAN STILL be created even if the
newsgroup fails to win support but I would not PUSH for it,
if it fails the vote. And I hope, it will pass.

	After the voting stage ( which will end 2 weeks 
after it is opened) I shall send out the nesgroup control
message.

	This means that Samit and everyone else who think that
A.c.b is not required, have 5 weeks to push their point of view.
Now tell me, am I PUSHING IT?? 

	Now, to those who think that voting is mandatory,
if we are willing to go through all that pain, we  might
as well move this newsgroup to soc.culture.* heirarchy or 
still better soc.lang.bengali, sci.lang.bengali or to
talk.lang.bengali.

	I would be happy to answer any questions anyone might
have in the following 5 weeks.

	I also need volunteers to help me through the voting
process.    

	Lastly, I would recommend that all postings connected
to this newsgroup may also be cross posted in alt.config, so
that a wider range of net populace will have access to it. 
Needless to say, every newsgroup in USENET is open to everyone

Bijoy Sagar
t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu
From: azeez@csi.com (Abdulazeez Chollampattu)
Subject: Enne Pattee
Organization: Comdisco Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:22:30 GMT


Hi Ackers,
Ellavarkum Puthuvalsarashamsakal!!.Let me introduce myself first,
 
Name: Azeez Chollampattu (Call me Azeez)
Date Of Birth: June 1st 1961
Education: BSc. Engg. (Electronics & Communication), TKM College Of Engineering,
           Quilon. 1978-1983.
           MSEE, LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1989-9191.
 
Worked for Electronics Research & Development Center, Vellayambalam,Trivandrum from 1984-1989.
 
Spouce : Shabeen Kottai, BSCE, Trichure Engineering College, 1983-1988
         MS(Environmental), LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1989-1991.
 
I am very much encouraged with the postings in alt.culture.kreala.
I use to read soc.culture.Indian regularly and fed up with all the garbage postings.
Strongly agree with all my fellow ackers to keep our news group clean. I saw that
postings from Hindu digest and my personal openion is not to allow those kind of postings
in ack. I think the ack editor should send a strong e-mail message to Hindu digest editor
indicating our objection to such kind of articles.

I am posting it again to Vote "NO PROP". 
 
Nanni, Thalkalam Vida. Veendum Kanam.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:05:00 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: how can she call her husband?
	<1992Dec21.171601.20783@news2.cis.umn.edu>

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From: saptho@ee.umn.edu (Sapthotharan K Nair (grad student))
Subject: how can she call her husband?
Organization: Electrical Engineering, U of MN, Mpls.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:16:01 GMT


"Edee' (husband calling wife)
is rather chauvinistic and is certainly
not suitable for cultured, educated and
modern couples. 

I cannot agree with you totally here.  It is not the word, but the tone
that makes the real difference.  You can call someone "Edee" very
fondly. 

Prathapan


Saptho Nair

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   MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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From: t90nikhi@mp.cs.niu.edu (Nikhil Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: alt.culture.bengali
Date: 26 Dec 1992 19:14:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



>I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
>This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
>literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.


>
>I hope I will receive a favorable response.
>
>- Bijoy Sagar


I vote YES for the new newsgroup. However, I think that it will fit better in 
soc.heirarchy.

Nikhil Kumar

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Re: The Hindu Digest
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:59:29 GMT

In article AA29237@eng.auburn.edu, aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair) writes:
>This is the reply I got to my mail to the editor of the Hindu digest requesting him not to post the digest in ACK
>
>
>Ajit
>----- Begin Included Message -----
>
>Thank you for your mail regarding Hindu Digest.
>I would however, respectfully disagree with your request since
>nothing in Hindu Digest is contarary to the charter of
>ack (I have read this charter several times to see if 
>I was in violation).  Since Hindu dharma is still part of
>Keralian culture, Hindu Digest belongs there.  We will
>therefore continue to post our digest there.  Those who
>do not like, however may easily skip it, rather than
>attempt to stiffle our voice.
>
>Thanks again for your mail.
>
>Moderator, Hindu Digest
>
>
>----- End Included Message -----
>

I too received a similar reply to a note I sent to the editor. Mr. Bhatnagar,
informing him that the consensus so far indicates that their postings are not
welcome. In light of such bull-headedness, may be we'll simply ignore
the postings, and that may help open their eyes.

Jacob
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From: saptho@ee.umn.edu (Sapthotharan K Nair (grad student))
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: how can she call her husband?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:16:01 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, U of MN, Mpls.


One of the idiosynchrasies of Malayalam
(and some other Indian languages too) is
that there are no 'standard' words for
husbands and wives to call each other.
"Chetta", though used commonly, sounds 
strange because of its synonimity with
"brother". "Edee' (husband calling wife)
is rather chauvinistic and is certainly
not suitable for cultured, educated and
modern couples. Husband calling wife by
her name is common and implies equality.
However, why can't a woman call her 
husband BY HIS NAME 
when  Kerala boasts
such high rate of literacy and high
social status of women? Several years ago,
I read in a malayalam magazine, the words
'swami' and 'devi' suggested by someone
for the above purpose. But I personally
think these are not suitable for
all, because of the religious overtone
in them. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Saptho Nair

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: rags@cup.hp.com (Balakrishna Raghunath)
Subject: Sreedhara Menon's Survey of Kerala history.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:51:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Someone asked whether this was still in print.
i know it is...just got a copy from the Tvm airport bookstall,
on a recent visit home.
Have not read it yet.
--

B.Raghunath  , rags@hpisoa1.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Co, OSSD/UKL
19447 Pruneridge Ave, Cupertino, CA 95014, MS 47LA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: prisaac@plan000.lerc.nasa.gov (Rincy Isaacs)
Subject: Re: Rice and curry
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:51:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.123058.41193@watson.ibm.com> kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com () writes:

.. stuff deleted
>
> So move over meat and potato, rice and curry is in
                    ^^^^^^^^^^

Dominic, You can still bake your potato and eat it too.  It's full of
good stuff (unless you add the toppings - bacon bits, sour cream..)

I guess the 'curry' makes the dish.  Over the years, I have become more 
sensitive (less tolerant) of the 'very hot' stuff.  It would be interesting
to know all the nutrients in the spices.

Gotta go celebrate New Year's.  A Happy One to all from this long-time
lurker.  Incidentally, it was interesting that there are some in India who
can post to the net.  I am curious as to the extent of Usenet in India.


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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Buddhists in Kerala & Sabarimala Ayyappan
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:36:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <IfB_a1O00Uh741Vlp5@andrew.cmu.edu> Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Bhikshus out of Kodungallor.  He had also referred to the odd posture of
>Sabarimala Ayyappan.

I've heard that the Ayyappan at Sabarimala is so poised because he attempted
to stand up when his father (king of Pandalam) visited him.

Mahesh.