Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: LOTS of alt.out-of-body articles!
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:04:44 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Subject: Re: Oprah - 09/24/92
From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Date: 25 Sep 92 15:27:37 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO
Keywords: Oprah Astral Projection Brain Machine

In article <1992Sep25.133130.22164@news.csuohio.edu> 
chl@hopper.cba.csuohio.edu (Chuck Liggett) writes:
>They went on to add that Joan Rivers used the machine on her own show
>once:  In the middle of her show, she used this machine and left her
>body.  She decided to go visit her daughter, whom she found in the
>shower.  In the last few minutes of her show, she telephoned her daughter
>and asked her if she, indeed, did take a shower about 15 minutes earlier.
>The answer was yes.
>
>So...  What do y'all say about that?
>
>Chuck
I like to think positive regarding the possibilities.  However,
The entire situation needs to be "controlled".  In other words,
monitored by neutral third parties or something just as effective.
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com 

Subject: Re: Astral Travel Guide
From: ada@zip.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony Arviola)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:57:42 GMT
Distribution: usa

Just a quick question.

I've had a few experience with OOBEs but they seem to have been inadvertant.
IE. When I was stressed out emotionally.  At that time I kind of drifted out
with little effort.  But when I consciously try, I fail.  One point where I 
fail is when I try to open my eyes to look around.  The question I have is
"How do you see?" or "At what point can you see?"  I've been at points where 
I feel my spirit rising and open my eyes, and bam! its over.  Can't get
enough energy to try again, but boy do I sleep well.

Hang on to that silver cord!

Tony

Subject: Re: Astral Travel Guide
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 15:31:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <peters.717368327@physics.ubc.ca> peters@physics.ubc.ca (Dan Peters) writes:
>bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>
>>Cord may be other color. You should *NEVER* cut it or 
>>think about cutting it - it's your only guaranty to return to your body.
>
>But now that you've said that, how can anyone possibly avoid thinking about
>it?

Yoga, mental exercises, etc...

If one can't avoid or block or (better) stop thinking,
if one can't relax thinking process - better do not OOB.

your mileage may vary - but don't forget that asylums are full of
people whose souls never returned - or found one more not very friendly
soul in the same body (Unfortunately, exorcist, etc have some,
though distant, connection with reality)

don't think, that if the water near the beach is clean, there is no
sharks
on other note - to somebody who asked to check his office -
if you want to check if one can swim would you ask to swim through the ocean
for x000 miles?
>
>Drin
>--
>-----------------
>Gutted - Flame NA

Subject: Re: Astral Travel Guide
From: greg@irl.ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 20:17:07 GMT
Reply-To: greg@ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Industrial Research Lab - Univ. of Florida

In article <1992Sep25.153124.35707@watson.ibm.com> 
bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>...on other note - to somebody who asked to check his office -
>if you want to check if one can swim would you ask to swim through the ocean
>for x000 miles?

Somebody was me.  I understand your point, but that's why I prefaced it by
asking for the "OOB gurus", so to speak.  If OOB travel is anything like what
I read about, then distance doesn't matter.  Anyway, I was really asking for
opinions on how to conduct tests on OOB travel among those who say they can
do it often at will.  Obviously, this is a selfish request, because if I don't
know whether to believe Person A's claim of success, then I won't be likely
to believe Person B's claim that Person A was successful.  I would have to be
in on the test.  And if I did believe Person B without any direct knowledge,
then I probably would have believed Person A from the start.

This is not to call into question whether someone is lying; far from it.  I
wonder, among those who say they have successfully OOB'ed, how did you know
it was "real"?  Were you concerned about proving to yourself that something
really happened rather than was imagined?  I know if I routinely found myself
out of body, I'd wanna check it out with a friend to see if I was really
going somewhere or just having a neat dream.  It might be fun either way, but
I'd wanna know.
--
Greg O'Rear
Industrial and Systems Engineering, University of Florida
orear@ise.ufl.edu

Subject: Re: more articles from alt.out-of-body
From: will@bigsky.Aero.ORG (Willis Elias)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:13:54 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA

Hi All,
In an earlier post Matt said:

> Also, any post that has both groups listed in the Newsgroups: line
>I get twice here.

Sounds like you want alt.deja.vu dude! *grin*

Well... it looks like i missed about 53 postings to this newsgroup. *sigh*
i've missed reading my newsgroups for a few months -- too much work, not 
enough personal development. Seriously though, this looks like an intriquing 
group. Are we encouraged to share our (limited, in my case) experiences in
this area? I think I'll read some more posts (Matt's was my first), and see 
how the winds blow. (sometimes my thought processes are so _linear_)

By the way, I'm having some difficulty with my news editor... I use xrn to 
read news and my default editor is emacs. When I initiated this post emacs 
failed to come up and I got this lame editor that doesn't auto-wrap/fill or
do anything like emacs! Any suggestions _may_ be appreciated ;->

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Subject: Flight of Fancy?
From: cf549@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Baker)
Date: 26 Sep 1992 04:15:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)

In the spring of 1979, I had two spontaneous out-of-body experiences.  The first
time I woke up dancing on a desk in my dorm room. I was embarrassed and didn't
want my roomate to see me. I jumped to the floor, but floated down.  I was 
disoriented and sat on the bed to my left. I suddenly realized that the bed was
occupied by my roomate.  I was confused by that and looked over at the other 
bed.  Much to my dismay, I saw myself sleeping there. I was panic stricken and 
woke
up instantly. After a moment of pulling myself together, I could help but notice
that everything was exactly how I had seen it in my dream.
	One week later, I suddenly found myself flying above the parking lot of
the dorm. It was early morning and I watched people going in and out of the 
building. Part of me wanted help to get down, the other part of me was embarrassed aboutbeing there.  I sort of drifted to the wall and pushed/pulled myslelf around the building until I got to my room.  My motion had the feel of two magnets
repelling each other.  I felt really disoriented and frightened.  I looked in the window and saw 8:13 on my alarm clock. Then I glanced at my bed. Once again
the sight of myself sleeping caused panic. I awoke and was struck by the fact
that the clock actually said 8:13 and the morning looked exactly as it had in
my dream.
	For the next few weeks, I was unable to sleep. I convinced myself  that
I was going to die in my sleep. I was too embarrassed by the "dreams" and how
afraid I was to talk to any body.  I ended up going to a counselor at the 
infirmary. She told me I was suffering from stress and gave me some relaxation
exercises to try.  They seemed to work.
	A few years later, I heard about out-of body-experiences for the first
time. Now I know what they are, I want to try to induce it, but I can't. I get
this feeling of intense vibration that scares the hell out of me. I tell myself
not to fear it, I know it is coming, but I can not ride it out.  Can anyone get
me past that stage. Does anyone else know what I mean by "vibration"?

Jim Baker, San Antonio
<jlbaker@tenet.edu>

Subject: Re: OOB test
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 10:30:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK

In article <1992Sep22.191912.8834@eng.ufl.edu>, greg@irl.ise.ufl.edu
(Greg O'Rear) writes:
|> I've been curious about this subject, much as Susannah mentioned, I suppose.
|> I've had a friend or two tell me they could go OOB pretty much anytime they
|> wanted to.  So, naturally, I asked them to float on over and describe some-
|> thing I would arrange, but it never happened.
|> 
|> So, I'm wondering: for those of you who seem to have little or no trouble
|> going OOB, is there any way you would like to be put to the test?  Or maybe
|> you have already done so?  Do you have trouble reading words while
OOB?  Would
|> colors or shapes or pictures be better?  I'm willing to provide a place for
|> OOBers to visit, but maybe it would fail because none of you know me or my
|> surroundings....  Since I can't seem to do it myself, I'd like to see some
|> evidence second-hand.  Not because I'm James Randi, but I'm curious, and if
|> I can't do it myself, I'd like to participate in an experiment somehow.
|> 
|> So, go ahead, float on over to my office and describe the poster on my wall.
|> I don't want to sound antagonistic; I know some people get miffed when the
|> issue of proof comes up, so any offense taken is in the eye of the beholder.
|> 
|> What's a good way to experiment?
|> --
|> Greg O'Rear
|> Industrial and Systems Engineering, University of Florida
|> orear@ise.ufl.edu

	I managed to go oob for the first time on Saturday. Trouble was I
	couldn't leave my house. How am I supposed to get to Florida ??

	Cheers,


		RIK


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