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From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:50:12 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <michaelh.722202225@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:

> >He was French.
> 
> need he say more?

What's all this anti-French shit that's been creeping
around the group?

It doesn't strike me as particularly amusing, really.

--John
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Military Madness (was: Gay Sailor Reinstated)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:03:46 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <1992Nov14.133815.8302@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:

> The Supreme Court recently upheld the conviction of an airman at Altus
> Air Force Base in Oklahoma.  The charge was oral sex with his
> girlfriend, in a private home off base.  The punishment was seven
> months in jail, a reduction in rank, and a bad-conduct discharge.

That can't be right, Gene.  I mean, I've just been reading
Mr Solovay explaining how the US is still a free country. 
You expect me to believe that there's constitutional
protection for everyone to troll around carrying automatic
weapons in the name of freedom but people aren't allowed to
have oral sex?  That the highest court in the land is going
to sit down and with full constitutional majesty send you
to *jail* for *sucking* *cock*?  C'mon.

It's reassuring, in a way, to realise that the UK isn't the
only completely loony country in the world. 

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson)
Subject: Re: Can you tell me about this TV show?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:36:38 GMT


jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.235857.16298@spdcc.com>,
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov14.004337.4196@sco.com> md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson) writes:
>> >I have to admit to being a little confused by your remarks - this could
>> >have something to do with the fact that I think that "Are You Being Served"
>> >is one of the *worst* programs ever produced by the BBC.
>There's a difference of perception here which is quite
>interesting.  I agree with Michael.  I think it's a ghastly
>show.

>Are you British, Michael?

Yes - and I think that this has a great deal to do with my reaction
to this program. The underlying attitudes which are portrayed in, and
reinforced by, John Inman's character are just a little too real and
a little too close to home for me. They remind me all too clearly of
some of the things that I like least about Britain and which to some
extent contributed to my decision to leave that country.

I suspect that for many American viewers the whole thing seems to
be so far removed from "reality" that it is much easier to accept it
as a piece of harmless and mildly amusing entertainment.

Clearly this is all very subjective and it probably says at least as
much about me as it does about that particular program.

It occurs to me that there is an interesting counterpoint to all
of this (which may help to dispell any thoughts that I simply don't
have a sense of humor) - I happen to think that the "Men on Film"
sketches from "In Living Color" are absolutely hilarious .....

One could argue that they have a similar problem and, on an intellectual
level, I can understand that some people could react to them in a
similar way that I react to "Are You Being Served". (but I *still*
would think they were hilarious....)
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Marlene & Madonna (Was Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:36:30 GMT

In <1e726dINNcnn@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.015234.25645@reed.edu> 
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov15.202552.4778@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk
>> (Roger Phillips) writes, quoting "Face":
>> >Marky Mark _is_ a rapper ... he is a pop icon, fashion icon and now
>> >gay icon.'
>>
>> Just like Marlene Dietrich!

>My ex called me yesterday from the Deep South where he now
>resides to tell me how fabulous Stephen Bach's bio of Dietrich
>is, and he read me page after page of very interesting stuff
>that makes Madonna's cavortings look tame.

>"Am I boring you, darling?"

>Arne

There was a quotation that Mr. Bach mentioned in an interview I
saw of him in which Ms. Dietrich says (of Madonna and the comparisons
between them):

	"I act vulgar.  She *is vulgar."

I love it!
-- 
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
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 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
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From: tam@mobydick.leis.bellcore.com (Tom Merkel )
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Reply-To: tam@westmark.com (Tom Merkel )
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:13:20 GMT

In article <BxL5vL.BH4@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, 
jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs) writes:
|> ...................................................... I came out
|> to my 7 year old daughter soon after I told my wife.  She could 
|> grasp the concept, but was fortunately still young enough that
|> she hadn't yet been affected by societal attitudes on the subject.

Hah!  I was nervous talking to my oldest daughter,  keeping everything
very general,  not quite forthright with her.

Later she asks me who my boyfriend is.  And starts teasing me...

--Tom ( I should be so lucky )
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:48:01 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Steve: Oh.  Is there a queue forming?  :-)

John: Yeah. I wanna sit on Greg's face too.

Steve: What, and miss those sparkling eyes?

JD: I got eyes in the back of my... nevermind.

Squirrel: Stand in line, boys, stand in line.  Hey, no shoving!

Many thanks to the throngs that were brave enough to (a) meet me, (b)
enter the West Village, (c) enter a Caribbean restaurant, (d) ask me
about Matthew.  I had a great time.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nimble Stumbles
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:19:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Jerk B. Numbskull slavers:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Jess Anderson writes:
>>>Tell us what the B stands for and maybe we can do better.
>>"Butthead," quite obviously.  ;-{)##]
>>
>Actually, to you, Fuzzball, it stands for Bearbuster. (snicker)=Jack=

Only in your wildest masturbatory fantasies, and rest assured
they have **NO** chance of coming true.
 
() People who attempt to have reasoned discussions with
() raving morons deserve what they get.
()      -- Melinda Shore (shore@theory.tn.cornell.edu)
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B. Carlin)
Subject: Colorado: My 2 cents
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:29:37 GMT

Read it, read it, seen it, done it.  Now I have decided.

Last night on one of the nighly news (I watch them all, could have been any),
they were talking about the vote in Oregon being 53% to 47%, and how the wacko's
who proposed the thing were gearing up for another challenge come June.

Panic buttom!  Go to red alert!

Knowing that voting in off year elections tends to be poor, and poor turnouts
typically hurt liberal causes, I decided that the most logical way to prevent
this is to **_REALLY_** lay it on Colorado.

Follow this logic you say.

53-47 is too close for comfort on something this important.  The people of
Oregon _must_ be convinced that voting for such a law is NOT in their best
interest.  How?  By severely punishing those that vote such a law.

Colorado must be destroyed.  It must have ABSOLUTELY the *****WORST***** ski
season in history (with the state of the economy, not hard).  ALL of COLORADO
must suffer.  What about the innocent, and those who are actually
lesbigay-friendly --- CANNON FODDER!  Colorado must be destroyed!  It must
become an economic wasteland, it must become Catherage (sp??) -- destroyed to the
ground and the earth salted!

And Oregon?  Pump money.  Pump very openly lesbigay-pink-money into the economy.
 Why?  As we sow, so _can_ we reap.  With the death of Colorado and very open
money in Oregon, we can show that this shit won't wash.

DEATH TO COLORADO!

And, as far as the innocents -- leave now!  And remember, in order for Paris to
become the City of Light, over 250,000 poor were made homeless so that Napolean
III could tear down their neighborhoods to make the wide streets!  His answer:
the poor will die anyhow, but Paris will live forever!

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:35:01 GMT


In article <thaaang.722092900@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <thaaang.722047060@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> >>>Oh.  Is there a queue forming?  :-)
|> >>Yeah. I wanna sit on Greg's face too.
|> 
|> >What, and miss those sparkling eyes?
|> 
|> I got eyes in the back of my... nevermind.

Don't geckos use their tongues to wet their eyes?

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redheads (was: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:47:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <thaaang.721949805@cwis> <1992Nov17.004045.5031@reed.edu>  
  <1992Nov17.145531.28241@osf.org> <69742@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Nov19.105328.3679@panix.com>

Mara Chibnik writes:
>In <69742@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> >Of course, the red in my beard is really only easily visible
> >in bright light, and when we were all at Rooster Rock, I'm sure  
> >there were more visually exciting things than counting the
> >different colors in my beard. ;-)
>
>Of course, when I saw you on the beach you were leaving the
>clothing optional area and were (as far as I could tell at that
>distance) fully dressed, but *I* noticed.

Well, I never got into the water -- though I did drop 'trou
when someone suggested my disinclination to get into the
water had something to do with SHYNESS. Bwahahahaha!

>But I had the sense that Coren was baiting you.   No?

I don't think so. I think he either forgot, or just never
noticed in the first place.

>I'd been led to believe
>(but I don't know how) that your hair was lighter in color than it
>is, so I was surprised.

I haven't the foggiest where this idea would come from either.
 
() Fall down seven times, get up eight times.
()      -- Zen saying
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: mprats@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mario Prats)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "Black Lizard": film recommendation
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:22:03 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Japanese 60's camp; Yukio Mishima


For all of you fellow lovers of Almodovar & John Waters movies (and
camp in general) there is a movie you must watch: "Black Lizard",
a Japanese film from 1968, released this year in video cassette by Cinevista
(hopefully it is available at your local video-rental store).

The movie stars Akihiro Murayama (a transvestite actor), who plays the "Black
Lizard", a sultry female criminal who kidnaps beautiful people to a
secret island where she
turns them into "living dolls" with whom she fulfills her sexual needs.
However, she meets her match in an astute private detective who follows
her trail.

Murayama is beyond feminine, you can see him wearing
campy wigs, expensive jewelry, fancy 60's dresses, etc. as he bosses
everybody around him, brandishes a sword, sends messages to his
subordinates by slowly making circles in the air with a
cigarette lighter, and most heart-breaking of all,
suffers in utmost campy style for the detective s/he loves but cannot
have, bouncing against the walls in despair...  A good introdution to
transvestism for any aspiring drag queen (he is so good he almost makes
you want to be one!).

The script was written by Yukio Mishima.

The atmosphere is dark, mysterious, and theatrical. It reminded me
of the film "Querelle" by its use of richly colored lights.

Other highlights of the film:
Go-go dancers with psychedellically-painted bodies being groped by men
High-speed car chases including pink-smoke-producing motorcycles in order to
  confuse the chasers
Bizarre murder scenes
The Black Lizard's high-pitch wicked laughter
The classical-music (Vivaldi?) inspired soundtrack but with funky 60's organ
  sounds
etc. etc.


________________________

Mario Prats
Romance & Asiatic Exchange Specialist
Main Library
University of California, Berkeley
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Velveeta (was Patrick Stewart & "Space Age")
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:33:45 GMT

In article <Bxyx83.JxL@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
> I was asked what I wanted to do on my trip to San Fransisco. I answered
> that I had some fixed stuff I just had to experience, one of them being
> going to a really big supermarket and looking at all those boxes,
> probably buying the worst of them to try..."like Twinkies and cheerios
> and stuff."
> "Twinkies? FJ, those are horrible!"
> -"Oh probably. But I want to know just _how_ horrible."

  This bad: they cause an immediate dementia where the consumer
wigs out over gay politicians with murderous intent. 
  Besides, cannablism is reprehensible.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FAMOUS GAYS from GAYNET (fwd)
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:47:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov18.064707.6927
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <69720@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) writes:
>What lawsuit?

The lawsuit Tom Selleck successfully prosecuted against some magazine
or newspaper that claimed he was gay.

>[About Arnold Schwarzenegger]
>Now I saw that photo in Spy, but this is the first I've
>heard about Honcho.  When did this happen?

mid-70s, maybe? I'm not sure. I think the photos in Spy were actually
from his Honcho spread. At any rate I saw the Honcho issue with my own
two eyes in a queer bookstore in Houston (Lobo). I'm just sorry that I
didn't buy it - it was only $10 or so.

(I'm slightly worried that it wasn't Honcho, but some other similar
gay porn magazine. It's been awhile since I saw it.)
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 Shame is playback: exposure to disapproval
From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: New Catholic Catechism
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:43:26 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: alice.cs.purdue.edu

On my way home from Hickville, Indiana (TM), I was quite taken aback
by a national news report that the Catholic Church (TM) has issued a
new catechism -- the first one in over 400 years.  It mentions,
among other things, a new stance on gays: "One should avoid all
unjust discrimination of them."

I'm mildly curious if anyone has a more complete copy of this text
-- I'd like to see what this section is about...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
berninge@cs.purdue.edu          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
B0.2 f(~) w- c- g k? s- e r- p   \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1e938tINNpgo@mizar.usc.edu> <1992Nov17.160658.29988@osf.org>
	<1eb9kqINNcrj@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:29:02 GMT

In article <1eb9kqINNcrj@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

   Well, I did *hint* that I know about more than was posted 
   about this, and from the other side.  (I did say that I've 
   been connected tangentially to the UCLA theater department 
   for the last 15 years and that I know a former CMU faculty 
   member (who's now on the UCLA faculty, shaking up UCLA's
   acting program the way he shook up CMU's 10 years ago).)

Poor UCLA.  If it is the person I am thinking of, I have heard only
bad things about him.

   > Judging from the latter, it seemed to me at least plausible that
   > there was something extra-curricular going on here, and that gay men
   > had been singled out (in substantial numbers) as targets.

   I still think it hightly unlikely that the mere fact they're 
   gay is what did them in.

I don't.  If it is the same person, he is quoted in the Theater Week
article as saying, "there are certain young men whose sexual bent
stands in their way of their talent."

   I was treading on
   eggshells throughout the argument, particularly as I could
   smell "I'm gonna sue!" in the air (even though the statute
   of limitations has run out).  

It is my understanding that no one associated with the incidents in
1981 are planning on suing.

Scott
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:33:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov13.151002.9454@spdcc.com> <69511@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Nov16.203130.27714@netcom.com>

Stephen Arrants huffs:
>>He also has a penchant for dropping his trousers in public.
>
>Yeah, so?  You've done it at the Lone Star, George.  Double-standard time?

Pull that stick out of your ass. I was referring to his penchant
for dropping 'trou as an identifier, notoriety about which might
have reached further than his name.

 
() Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a
() majority of one. 
()      -- Thoreau
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: tmh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tim Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Religion in UK and US
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: tmh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tim Hopkins)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <cieux@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>[stuff about survey of relious beliefs in UK and US]

Today's Scotsman newspaper has the results of a survey of Scottish attitudes
to sex, with a breakdown of sexual behaviour by religion of repondent,
including the following:

%age having a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex:

Over all repsondents 4%

By religion:

Church of Scotland  3%
Roman Catholic      6%
Episcopalian       10%
Others              3%

Tim
--

Tim Hopkins, Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, JCMB,
King's Buildings, Mayfield Rd., Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, Scotland.
tmh@dcs.ed.ac.uk                                            +44 31 650 5153
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: We're on TV again!
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:08:04 GMT

[]
Tomorrow night a made-for-tv movie about deranged lesbian
psycho-serial-killer prostitute Aileen Wuoronos is going to
be on one of the major networks.  She's being played by
Jean Smart, late of "Designing Women."  Her lover is being
portrayed by Park Overall (an interesting choice, given
that Wuoronos' real-life lover is fat and blonde and has
a missing tooth).

I am curious to see how they handle the relationship - they
really do have to include it if they want the film to be
remotely accurate, since it was the girlfriend who turned
Wuoronos in.  It's so nice to see images of lesbians in the
major media :-X.  Don't miss it!
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Don't teach kids tolerance...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:22:20 GMT

dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:

>In article <thaaang.721457838@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
>writes:
>>You see, us cultural
>>elites are so much more important to the world than mere mortals,
>>and we feed off of mortals, draining their pocketbooks with our
>>infectious diseases and knack for moneymaking . . . 
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Apparently I'm doing something wrong.

SHHHHHH!!!

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
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