From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL -- The Jack Discussion
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:47:23 GMT

In article <1jmlmlINN2n1@lynx.unm.edu> vickie@carina.unm.edu (Victoria Hamilton) writes:
>
>First, I think Matt Ashford is one of the finest actors on this show.  His
>only real competition comes from Peggy McKay.  Secondly, I do not think


Then don't you mean to say that he is THE finest actor on the show?   If
not, I'll go along with "one of the finest" and we'll have nothing to 
argue about.



>Third, I'd prefer he wasn't paired with Jennifer although let's face
>facts.  If J&J weren't a duo, Matt would no longer be on the show.  He is
>great without her and OK with her.  She needs him to be even watchable.


I think that Melissa Reeves hit her stride with Jack, but I also think 
that she could be good w/out him at this point.    Three years ago I
wouldn't have said this.


>Having said this I will say that I really admire Melissa Reeves integrity
>in terms of her character.  One or two of the "actresses" on this show
>could stand to take a page from her book.


So true.


>Jack is a great character and different from the standard bad guys on
>this show in that he is not bad on a grandious level.  He doesn't murder
>people, but he is slimy.  Matt is probably one of the few actors on this
>show who can show such fine degrees of character.  I remember back when
>Cal first came to the show.  Jack was a scumwad.  I HATED him like I never


Well, I for one understand everything you are saying here.  You seem to
think that "we people" that are not as enchanted with Jack as you are
must be in the dark.   We get it, believe me.   Now let's move on.


>Recently (oh, so it's been the last two years), the writing for Jack has
>been pathetic.  Don't start whining at me about why I say the writing
>for him has been bad and then consistently ream out the likes of the 
>St. Carly of the Camel Herd, BillyGoat, Asstin, and my all time least
>loved, Icky.  There is a BIG difference.  This bunch has never proven
>to me that they can act their way out of a paper bag.  Matt has.  When
>they prove themselves, I'll blame their mess on the writers too, but
>until that time, they are lousy actors in my book. 


Okay, that's fine because you said "in my book".   For me, two of those
four actors you mentioned HAVE proved themselves.   Staci and Crystal
were both excellent throughout the cancer storyline, and I think Crystal
has had several excellent scenes since then too.   I'm not saying that
either one is a great actress and I still blame them largely for the
weaknesses of their characters.     Okay, so maybe they are "uneven".  
Hasn't that always been your favourite way to describe Drake???    [I
know that *now* you would say that he is consistently good, and I'd
have to agree.]


>Finally, you guys have gone on and on and on about how terrible it is
>that Jack lies to poor Jennifer.  I have now waited five days to hear
>you guys say the same about her with regard to what she did to Drake
>and Deidre on her talk show.  It was despicable.  Marlena is married


Yeah, it was pretty rotten.   I think Jenn was torn between making
the producers happy and not hurting John and Marlena.   She didn't
have any idea what to do and was caught in a real Catch 22.   I'm
sure she wouldn't go around bragging about it.


>wife.  And their dear friend Jennifer, in true tabloid television (didn't
>she scream at Jack for turning the Spectator into a tabloid) style, raked


Jenn doesn't approve of the tabloid stuff...   she felt she was forced
into it.   


>them over the coals and didn't even bother to apologize.  She felt


She did so!!!  Right after the show off to the side of the set.   Just
cos the words "I'm sorry" didn't come out doesn't mean that it wasn't
an apology.


>it and then that was that.  So guys, where are your complaints about
>Jennifer's lack of integrity or the way she treats her friends?  My
>feed must be slow or something because I haven't seen one damn post
>on the topic.


Give me a break.   Not everything that happens on the show gets 
commented on here.   And I apparently don't consider it the big deal
that you do.   So, if you're going to throw your sarcasm all over the
place, throw it at the Jack-lovers that *do* think of this as some-
thing significant.


>When I got a call from the GrapeNut this weekend, we discussed this latest


Ahhhh, now this is all starting to come into focus.  :-)


>net.discussion.  I pointed out to her that there were some interesting
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>opinions on the opposite side in general.  For instance:
 ^^^^^^^^

Oh Vickie, come on.   Don't euphemize.   We all know that you want
to say "questionable opinions" or "unfounded opinions".   


>1.  We have the 9 1/2 weeks fan.  I found this movie to be abhorrent and
>    trashy.  Perhaps I missed the significant symbolism of the whole thing.
>    Maybe it was the casting of those superb actors, Kim Bassinger and
>    Mickey Rourke.  Clearly I am a prude with no appreciation of great
>    art films.


First of all, as Vickie knows, I totally agree with her about 9 1/2 Weeks.
But I do think that she is going too far in concluding that one must have
no taste to like such a film.   No one is saying that it is high art.   And
don't we all have a "guilty pleasure"-- a trashy movie or a goofy, sugary
song?   I think that if you look hard enough you'll find that even those
that agree with you about Jack will also like some things that you detest.


>2.  We have the Kim lover.  Sorry.  I feel bad for her, but she still sucks
>    as an actress in my book.



Hence I have no idea what I am talking about.   Yet when I pound on Bo,
I am right.   When I used to flame Isabella, I was right.   When I
belittle Billie, I am right.  When I sung the praises of Danielle, I
was right.   When I say that Kim/Patsy is good, I am wrong????    What
in the world is your point, Vickie?    I'm sure there are people out 
there that love both Kim and Jack.   I think Cristi is one of them.
I wish there was a shred of logic in your post so I'd have something
to sink my teeth into, but alas, there is not.


>3.  We have the CarpetBagger fan.  Oh yes, I'll hate Jack when this person
>    admits that there is a big problem with a mother leaving the only child
>    she'll ever have with a murderer and a rapist and show some regret for
>    lusting after the rapist of her best friend in all the world.  By 
>    comparison, Jack is a hero.


You can like Jack's character for doing despicable things but nobody
can like Carly's for the same reason?   I know that she hasn't been
portrayed as being despicable, but for me it is that flaw and her
chemistry with Lawrence that has made me like her.


>Based on these opinions and how I truly disagree with each and every one
>of them, I'd be horrified if these people did like Jack.  That is not


"These people", eh?   Well, I've got news for you.   There are people
out there that like Jack AND ALSO hold the opinions you've attacked
here.  Believe it.


>We'll chalk Rose's delusions up to being sick lately.  I too am a diehard
>Nick fan.


Get her, Rose!  


>Vickie


Tim
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