From: han@npg-sd.sandiegoca.ncr.com (Chuck Han)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Hal Camping prediction for Second Coming, Sept. '94!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:43:52 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <Sep.6.15.43.03.1992.7788@athos.rutgers.edu> jonh@david.wheaton.edu (Jonathan Hayward) writes:

>However, soon is also plainly stated to be by the measure of the Lord and not
>by human measure - by this measure, it is entirely possible for more to happen
>in a single second than in a millenium.

When God sent His son to us, He chose the human form like you and I,
not as a dog or a lizard.  So, you and I can understand Messiah's
message.  Noah understood the Lord's day perfectly for his family to
be saved during the Flood, Lot understood the Lord's timing
perfectly for him and his daughters to be saved from the judgement.
Surely, the Lord will save born again Christian from the 7 year tribulation 
by giving us the "hints" that we can USE to be ready.

>The passage in Revelation that states that the day or hour will not be known

BTW, the day or hour St. John refered to was not RAPTURE, but the
end of the world!  Rapture will occur before the 7 year
tribulation(I hope it does for yours and my sake).

>seems to me and others to be not to be taken in a most strictly limiting
>literal manner (IE it could be possible to know when Christ will come to within
>a time span of one day plus one second), not as a matter of error but as a
>matter of slightly figurative speech (like using the phrase "forty days and
>forty nights" in a manner roughly equivalent to "about a month").  A

If God wanted say "about a month", He would have said so.  I don't
think he is short on his vocabulary whether it be a Hebrew, Aramaic
or Greek.

>confinement of the time to some time in September 1994 (why should God choose a
>limiting time based on the human calendar?) is something that I do not
>understand.

God would choose a "limiting" time based on the human calendar,
because He gave them to us.  God has set the time already even before 
the creation of this world!  Just as He planned for 
	Jesus to enter Jerusalem on the last day of Daniel's 69th week, 
	Jesus to die on the cross on the Passover day, 
 	Jesus to be buried on the Unleavend bread day.
	Jesus to be resurrected on the First Frutits day
	Holy to be descended on the Pentecost day,
Surely, Jesus will come for rapture on the Trumpet Feast day,
	Jusus will come for 2nd coming on earth on Atonment day, and
	start a Milenium on Tabernacles day.

Colossians 2:16-17, "These are a shadow of things that were to
	 	     come."

>I will (whether this interpretation/prophesy turns out to be true or not) do my
>best to live as if Christ could come tomorrow - which would be entirely
>possible, just like coming some time during September 1994, just like coming
>some time during October 1994, just like coming some time during October 2994.
>Neither I, nor most of the other Christians reading this newsgroup, will doubt a
>statement that Christ is coming soon, and soon could mean September 1994.

I don't mean to knock you here but, 2 Peter 3:3,4 states, "First of
all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come,
scoffing and following their own evil desires.  They will say,
"Where is this 'coming' he promised?  Ever since our fathers died,
everything goes on as it has since the beginning of cretion."

>Could someone please, however, post an explanation of exactly why that has come
>up?  Not by posting scriptures that say "it is soon", but an explanation of why
>soon means September 1994?  I don't have the time to go, buy, and read a book
>right now, and am probably speaking for many other people in this regard.

1) Yellow stickers/banners which says "Messiah is coming, Get ready" in Israel.
2) 7 year Peace Treaty that will start between Israel and the Arabs.
3) Beginning of EC on January 1st, 1993
	This could mean Rapture this YEAR, not 1994 :-)
4) Antichrist's rise via the EC.
5) The '666' end-time sign and the EC's mark.
6) New World Order governed by the EC.
7) Another military build up in Middle East.
8) The Franco-German EC army.
9) Rise of Anti-Semitism
10) Japanese Army out of Japan
11) Spain's rise to power.
12) Pope John Paul II's plans and goals for the New World Order.
13) The oath of loyalty EC members take
14) Danish rejection of some of EC participation .
15) Rise in New Age cults.
16) Preparation of Temple building in Jerusalem.
17) All kinds of natural disasters(famine, hurricane, earthquake,
    volcanos, pestilences)
18) Lack of food and $ in pre-USSR nations(i.e. invade Israel)

These are all signs for the 7 year tribulation not for rapture.  
All we need to REMEMBER (or believe, I just can't understand why
some people want to be around for the tribulation hours???) is that 
rapture will happen before the 7 year tribulation starts.

MY message?  IMMINENT RETURN OF CHRIST.  Maybe even in 1992 not 1994.

We don't have time to quarrel over whether it's right or wrong to set 
dates amongst the born-again Christians!   		

   GO SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS AND SAVE THE SOULS FOR HIS SAKE!

What are you waiting for?  When is the last time you witnessed to
someone?

Maranatha.