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From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: An Interview on Modern Tamil Literature-part II
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:02:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct1.150254.14450
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Padigal:-
	We think that beyond writers and readers, a combination of various
inter-related factors like socio-political make up, thinking methodology,
tradition and history , led to this kind of commericialism in Tamil.

Sujata:-
	Yes! Individual writers aren't responsible. Politics and this
tradition -"kal thondri man thondra "-syndrome. What a wonderful book is
this 'Tholkappiyam". Don't know why he talked about life in that
grammatical treatise. A good analysis on this book is yet to come.
VaiyapuriPillai started to tell something but was stifled. They don't allow
scientific research. I think such a situation is the prime reason.

Padigal:-
	That is even if some aesthetes try to uplift tamils, they can't.
The reason - a complex situation related to powerful contemporary social
history - a situation that can't be undone by individual writers.

Sujata:-
	yes! That is the truth

Padigal:-
	In kannada, why isn't such a division like literary-commercial
magazines; literary-popular writers?

Sujata:-
	There are several reasons. Small readership. No tradition as we
have in tamil. This stunts. The last one is politics. For us there is no
difference between literature and politics. Politicians used every medium
whether it is cinema or drama or literature. More over we have a
middle-class mentality. They give much importance to even a small literary
meeting. Everyone praises even when a small book is published.

Padigal:-
	But there is nothing like a  small magazine-phenomenon?

Sujata:- 
	No! This is not seen in most of the indian languages. We can say
this is ours.  In Kannada the reason can be that every kannada magazine is
a  small magazine. To me the lack of tradition seems to be the important
reason.  Everyone knows 'Adiga' there. How many "Kumudam" readers know
'Pudumaipittan'? Every beginner should read "PudumaiPittan, KU. Pa.Ra" But
who knows? This irks me. Should I have to create literature for such
philistines? 

Padigal:-
	Even among popular magazines there are two varieties. One-Rani,
Rani Muthu, Dina Thanthi readers; The other-Kumudum, Anantha vikatan,
Kumkumum. kadir readers. Rani  will not look up to U because its readers
are different.  You , Kamala hasan and Balachander cater to english-
speaking ,white collared, chase loving group. We think that such a analysis is
important . 
	
Sujata:-
	That is a very good observation......

----[To Be Continued]

raghavan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2543 soc.culture.indian:32464
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Expansions for IIT and IISc
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sol.fb78.717790472
Organization: University of North Texas

srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:

>Continuing with expansions for BHEL etc.. Here are two more:

>IIT(M)   Institute for Idli and ThOsai (Masala)
>IISc     Institute for Idli, Sambaar and Chutney

hi,

must have missed it. what is the expansion for bhel? thanks - ganesh


>KS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: New Tamil movies.
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:22:15 GMT

He fellas,

	I'm sure there new tamil movies beel released lately. Can someone give
a list of these new movies? Is there any movies that worth watching?
	Is Khuspu still acting in lots of movies or what? When I was home this
summer, she was pretty famous. She acted quite lots of movies. Any new Rajini
or Kamal movies?

	Is anyone in this net, who lives in a big city such as Houston,
New Jersey, where a lot Indians are, that can give me some info. of how to
buy some Tamil CDs?  I would like to get some Tamil songs. Thank you for
the help.

Later.

Anand Subramaniam.
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: ChinnaGoundar Movie...
Keywords: Review
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:41:05 GMT

In <1598@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:

>Please don't see Chinnagoundar. Watch it if you are a rabid Vijayakanth, Goundamani and Senthil fan or stark raving mad.


>Arathi

  Manorama is simply superb. I come from kongu vellala community.
I know the accent and culture  portrayed by manorama is
authentic and is worth admiring. You are right vijayakanth
is a flop.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: durai@ORTTA (Appadurai V.)
Subject: Re: Another question to netters.
Organization: U of Mn
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:30:05 GMT


> achcham  - bayam  (I am not sure if it's plain fear)
  madam    - aRindhum aRiyaadhadhu pOl iruththal 
> naanam   - vetkam
  payirppu - ???    (I think some type of virtue..kaRpu related)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sri@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (a.natarajan)
Subject: SANSKRIT-TAMIL; VAALMEEKI-KAMBAR;
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:25:41 GMT
Keywords: correction!

I made a slight mistake in spelling the verse by Kambar.
Instead of "kOliya varisilai valiyum KUTRAMUM "
                                      ^      
it should have read:
"kOliya varisilai valiyum koRRamum"
                           ^^
I should not get into things I cannot handle.
Regards
Natarajan at Bell Labs.
From: prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A question to the nettors?
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:14:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct1.192346.29125
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Are 'Nayagan' and 'Nayagi' Tamil words? Or have they originated from the
Sanskrit word 'Nayak'. Are'nt the words 'Thalaivan' and 'Thalavi' more tamilish?

/Bharani

P.S : Does'nt most of the Tamil poetry address the lead male as 'Thalaivan'
      and the lead female as 'Thalaivi'?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: r0selv01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Ramasamy Selvaraj)
Subject: Re: Find this poem..... Vandu.............
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:38:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

B
>	Vandu kanakulai mandia kendai purandu purandada
>	Aval mangulil vandu kalainthathu kandu Madhan silai vandoda
>	Eni engithu kandula genpadum mendridai thindada
>	..........
>	................ pandthu payindrala.




>	Thanks.
>Raj.

	Pongu kananguzhai mandia kendai purandu purandadak-kuzhal
	mangulil vandu kalaindhathu kandu madhan silai vandoda-ini
	ingithu kandula kenpadu menpadu mendridai thindada-malarp
	pangaya mangai vasantha soundari pandhu payindraLe!


	This is from the Thiruk kutralak kuravanchi written by 
	Thirikooda raasappak kavirayar.   
	
	I like the flow of energy when this verses are said and the
	meaning of the song is also very interesting.

	Remember this song from the Tamil book -- was it 10th or 9th std ?

	If anybody has the whole collection of the book or info about where
	to find this book please do inform
	
	Thanks
	
	anbudan
	Selvaraj.
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:42:30 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Casualty figures from SL..


From an 'anonymous' source quoting figures released by the SL armed forces:

This is the list of casualties upto vaikasi(May 15-June 15), 1992:

1. Total dead: 3,699 men (from all servives)
   Officers - 92
   Army - 2,606
   Navy - 88
   Air Force - 69
   Police men - 844
2. 'Home guard units' men killed - 116
3. Total injured - 6,526
     (includes 290 officers)
4. Missing in action - 324
      (includes 14 officers).

Leaving this aside, the government has admitted to losing more than 100
men last month alone.

-thambi



Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Tamil Literary Society
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:26:52 GMT

In article <9209280042.AA21867@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>   On Sundaramoorthy's proposal to set-up a literary society
>  -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                                             - Sundara Pandian
>

	[Sundara Pandian's long letter deleted]

	Thanks for the comments. The response was not overwhelming and this
	was expected, considering diverse interests of the netters. Another
	netter called to form a music club and the response (at least in
	the net) was similar. So this can not be taken as the negative
	response.

	The idea as such is not mine, but taken from the SCT charter. I only
	took a part of that to make it formal and organised.

	Apart from your personal mails, I also received mails from 
	Dr. Srinivasan, Mr.M.P.Prem Kumar and Mr.Vicky appreciating the idea
	and encouraging to go ahead. Also I received a mail from Mr. Arul 
	Suresh, who actually doesn't have access to USENET.

	The failures of many 'small magazines' including Tho. Mu.
	Chidambara Raghunathan's 'Shanthi' as you cited, were mainly
	due low reader response, which in turn causes financial constraints.
	However, our efforts do not involve money, but only the input from 
	the potential contributors and the feedback from the readers.
	So success of this venture will be in the hands of the contributors.
	I collected about a dozen email addresses of the netters, whom I
	consider potential contributors, based on their previous postings in
	SCI,ACT and SCT. I will send personal requests in a day or two to 
	seek their support. I will also summarise the response to my proposal,
	both through follow ups and personal mails.

	The poor response from the netters notwithstanding, I will go ahead
	and form the society, if the support from the would be contributors
	is encouraging. Otherwise, I simply give up the attempt as you 
	suggested and  keep posting when time permits.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:08:47 GMT
	<MOHAN.92Sep29102213@tnds05.tele.nokia.fi>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Unfortunately, due to the unwillingness (or inability?) of the SL
>governments to find a just solution to the ethnic problem, more and
>more moderate Tamils are forced to support the LTTE with all their
>mistakes...

It sums up my feelings too.

thambi
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:31:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.selHYNq00WB_8GR0o7
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hmm...

Another Sinhalase with sympathetic views towards the SL governmemt,

telling Tamils about 'peace' and 'brotherhood.' Trying to hide his real 'feelings' towards the Tamils of Eelam, he wants to carry the Sinhala view of the Tigersin an indirect view. He got the wrong forum. I suggest sc.sri-lanka.
I can a smell a rat a mile away. Or maybe this guy was in deep sleep for
the last 7 yrs(83 to present). Poor fellow.

After all, who would get offended when someone calls the SL government repressive? A minister's son? Or someone with 'ties' to the government. Many possiblitie.
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: urimai....
Summary: urimai.....
Keywords: urimai.....
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:59:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: aries.thai.717616758
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


enakku kaniporri kaditham matrum tholaipesi seitha sct anbargalae,

kadippathu enathu piruppurimai, 
athai naan adainthae theeruvaen...

anban,
thayumanavan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.indian
From: nalin@athena.mit.edu (Palitha Nalin Wikramanayake)
Subject: Kill file evasion was  Re: Murder of Lord Buddha.......
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:33:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.185842.19803@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, muttiah@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep30.114645.52409@gmuvax.gmu.edu> 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:

	article and followup deleted

|> 
|> How did you make it past my kill file ???? MF.


	The user name from gmu keeps changing every once in a while. Rather like
	that monster Hercules had to kill - chop off one head and another one
	springs up! I solved the problem by killing everything from gmu - sounds
	a bit drastic but it is fully worth it.

	BTW - the best way to treat the posts is to ignore them isn't it?

	Nalin
From: peanut@wpi.WPI.EDU (Prashant S. Bhandare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: visa info..
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:32:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Hi guys!

Another boring visa question. Can anybody give me any idea regarding how easy
or difficult it is to get a US visa in Paris? Any help/info will be 
appreciated.


Prashant

P.S:  My e-mail is peanut@wpi.wpi.edu
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: ChinnaGoundar Movie...
Keywords: Review
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:35:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: newsserv.1598
Distribution: na

Please don't see Chinnagoundar. Watch it if you are a rabid Vijayakanth, Goundamani and Senthil fan or stark raving mad.


Arathi
From: pennats@ptolemy.CS.ORST.EDU (Shankar Pennathur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:17:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Sep27.161726.25923
Reply-To: pennats@tesla.cs.orst.edu (Shankar Pennathur)
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis


In article <selHYNq00WB_8GR0o7@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>Hmm...
>
>Another Sinhalase with sympathetic views towards the SL governmemt,
>
>telling Tamils about 'peace' and 'brotherhood.' 
>Trying to hide his real 'feelings' 
>towards the Tamils of Eelam, he wants to carry the Sinhala view 
>of the Tigersin an indirect view. He got the wrong forum. 
>I suggest sc.sri-lanka.
>I can a smell a rat a mile away. Or maybe this guy was in deep sleep for
>the last 7 yrs(83 to present). Poor fellow.
>

Hey, I thought this newsgroup was to discuss issues Tamil, and so if
somebody has an opinion/view on Eelam or any other issue concerning Tamils,
he has every right to express his views in *this* forum!  If you are of
the opinion that this newsgroup is only for LTTE's view of things,
tough luck! maybe *you* ought to find someplace else to post your stuff!
To quote some of the proponents of SCT, "If you dont like an article
expressing a view unlike yours, then either skip the article, or
debate it on the merit of its contents!" 

Shankar.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2525 soc.culture.indian:32416 alt.sex:31198
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,alt.sex
Subject: Re: DESI LIMERICKS   :-)  =8^)  :-o
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:24:02 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Please....   no more!  Those were horrendous...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Dumb charades [aka "cine-guess"]
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:36:09 GMT

 One of the hit in the intra college cultural festival (pl. refer to my  
previous posting) is Dumb charade aka cine guess. Well, usually Dumb
Charade deals with names of English movies, novels, sayings etc. But 
cine-guess is a dumb charade for tamil people as it involves only tamil 
movie names. [If you've not heard of this: Participants, three or four.
One guy will be given the name of the movie and he has to act as a dumb
and to bring the name from his team-mates within the prescribed seconds.]

  We had real fun in this event. I could recollect only some which I had
given below: [If you would like to enjoy the fun, imagine one of your
friend acting as the "dumb" and you are watching]

(1) The movie name is "naanal". The "dumb" guy pretended very shy as
a girl so that his team mates brought the word "vetkam", "naanam" and 
ultimately "naanal". 

(2) The movie name is "karnan". The "dumb" guy acted like sivaji
and removed his "kavacha kundalangal" and then it was a sitter.

(3) As soon as he got the movie name, the guy turned back swayed his
hips to bring the name of the movie "soothaattam". (Gambling)

(4) One "dumb" tried every way which went waste as his team-mates
never could tell the movie "kalyaanam panniyum brahmachaari". Some
of his gestures were real obscene to indicate "brahmachaari".

(5) Some times, the team-mates were real dumb enough for the spectators
who could not avoid shouting answers for the easy ones "mann vaasanai",
"policekaran makal" etc.

(6) If the name of the movie involved anything connected with women,
usually the "dumb" guy would gesture the shape of the women.

 Folks,the real fun cannot be expressed in words. You have to be there.

Have fun,
Venkat
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Situation in Madras
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.151632.23936@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>In article <2AC346A9.27464@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>
>> 	You sound as if all the 850 million people have voting right and  all
>>	of them voted in the last elections against VP Singh. Everyone knows
>>	how the democracy works in India. If there are 100 voters, only
>>	60 vote. If there are four parties contesting (leave the independents)
>>	and the votes distribution, for example, is 20, 17, 13 and 10, the
>>	one with 20 votes is the winner.
>>
>>	VP Singh was kicked out after he tried to implement Mandal Commision
>>	recommendations, thanks to the onslaught of the  upper caste dominated
>>	press, for whome he was Mr. Clean till then.
>>	
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu  
>
>I fail to see what all this is supposed to mean. I don't think that 
>Sundaramoorthy implies that 850 million (or whatever it is) are not
>of voting age. As for the voter turnout, it is not much better in
>many other democracies. (Australia has a penalty for not voting and
>how is it there? Perhaps VR Kumar can comment.) VP Singh was
>kicked out only because of the press (upper caste)? I don't think 
>that these kinds of gratuitous self-serving allegations help anybody's 
>cause.
>
>Sthan.

I do not really know whether there is a penalty for not voting, in
Australia. In India, one need not go in person to vote. His vote will 
be automatically casted by someone else. That is how the democracy 
works in India.

Recently a state government in India has been officially named as
"10% government". Guess which govt ?

The govt. of "Puratchi Thalaivi !!","Adhiparasakthi ?!!" Jeyalalitha.
For any work to be done, the govt. asks for 10% commission !!

Anpudan,

V R Kumar


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   CSIRO Division of Information Technology                         
   6 Giffnock Avenue, North Ryde, NSW 2113, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: veerasam@utdallas.edu (Jey Veerasamy)
Subject: Advanced GRE (C.S.) Question Papers Requested
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:51:29 GMT

Anybody who has Advanced GRE (Computer Science) Question Papers,
collection of questions or Questions in any useful form, kindly
send me mail.

I remember somebody posted the same request before sometime.
But I didn't see any positive response in the net. So I am 
posting this request.

Thanks,
Jey.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Padmanabapuram museum?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:11:54 GMT

Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.134537.158@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> din@dasher.uucp (Dinesh Nettar) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.214133.9683@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu> writes:
>>>
>>> When I was browsing thro' some book on India, there was a referral about
>>>the museum at Padmanabapuram. Where is this place located in Tamilnadu?
>>>Is the museum known for something? If so, what? Was it patronized by some
>>>king earlier?  Just curious. Anybody from that region?
>>>
>>Padmanabhapuram is a small town in Tamilnadu
>>midway between Thiruvananthapuram
>>(Trivandrum) and Kanyakumari.  I have visited the place 
>>several years ago and there
>>is a palace maintained by the Kerala govt.

>It is a village near Nagercoil if my memory serves me right.
>I will check on this when I visit next month (hopefully.)

Padmanabhapuram is about 20 miles from Trivandrum and used to
be the capital of the Kings of Travancore. It was built by
Maharaja Marthanda Varma, the great king who built the
Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple at Trivandrum. One antique
that I found to be truly excuisite was a gigantic cot,
smooth as silk, made entirely out of a single rock (granite).
I remember thinking, "hands that are THIS skilled can make
ANYTHING!" - ganesh