From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:17:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.033855.18603@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <92351.223842HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> 
>HERSCH@auvm.american.edu (Herschel Browne) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec16.152321.18570@husc3.harvard.edu>,
>>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) says:
>
>>>In article <BzCIMK.AK3@unix.amherst.edu>
>>>jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS) writes:
>
>JMF:
>>>>       Oh, you know, it's pretty darn stupid of me, but, as I was distracted
>>>>by the aesthetics of abusing Mickey, I seemed to have forgotten my original
>>>>point. Of course, the blame probably shouldn't rest entirely on my shoulders,
>>>>since Mickey did absolutely nothing to answer it.
>>>>       But anyway, Mickey, you still haven't answered why oral sex between a
>>>>male and female would be okay (assuming that you feel so,) but that oral sex
>>>>between two men is bad. I'm pretty sure you can't come up with a logical,
>>>>clearly stated reason - so sure, in fact, that if you can, I will give you
>>>>$1000 US, all my old G.I Joes, the complete set of ginsu knives, bla bla bla
>>>>bla bla bla bla bla. Act now - we have operators standing by. We have people
>>>>on hold. We have people holding operators...we have operators holding other
>>>>operators...my god, it's quite a scene.
>
>MZ:
>>>The short form: because only in the former case, the partners can
>>>switch to a potentially productive venue within their union, at any
>>>time before the climax.
>
>HB:
>>And what you have to bear in mind here is that this stupid bullshit
>>counts as "philosophy". There may be a single soul out there who
>>doesn't think this is stupid, but surely only one. This is the
>>"cunt nearby" argument. Even though *this* coupling is absolutely
>>sterile, it is not *essentially* sterile, since there is a cunt
>>nearby. And even if, say, the female in this coupling is utterly
>>sterile, the coupling itself is not itself *essentially* sterile,
>>since heterosexual couplings are *essentially* generative, even
>>when in the specific case utterly sterile. I think this is called
>>"Platonism"...it sure does sound smart, doesn't it? I wish this
>>would work in my job. "Sure, boss, I know that the operating
>>system doesn't work, but that's accidental rather than essential.
>>MVS is *essentially* operational, and the fact that it's now
>>totally hosed is only an accident, so it doesn't count."
>
>No, Mr H, this is not the "cunt nearby" argument.  The "cunt nearby"
>argument is the fallacious claim that it is all right for a man to have
>sex with anything, as long as he is you, or else there is a foul-mouthed
>blowhard imbecile like yourself around, who certifies the activity as
>genuinely progressive, in light of the Whig interpretation of history.
>
>HB:
>>Utterly, utterly, utterly stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Repeat after
>>me, *STUPID*. This shit is fucking dumb. Dumb. Stupid. Dumb.
>>And everybody knows it except the stupid MZ himself, who thinks
>>he's clever. He isn't.
>
>Is something bothering you?  Then repeat this mantra: "There are no
>absolutes of any sort; consequently there is no such thing as truth,
>justice, or beauty; most importantly, there is no such thing as human
>nature.  Therefore, none of my favorite proclivities could conceivably
>be motivated by my resentful abomination of truth, justice, and beauty;
>nor could they constitute a perversion of my true nature.  I am a
>paragon of harmony, integrity, and composure.  It is my sincere wish
>that the rest of the world would recognize my peerless merits, and come
>to think and act in the same way I do."
>
>As a disciple of Stirner, you ought to be happy with this credo.
>
>>H.
>>
>>Herschel Browne
>>"The" American University
>
>cordially,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."

    "Countrymen, Daphnis is my name:
    The very stars have heard my fame.
    Here in the woods I lived and lie-
    My flock was lovely: lovelier I."
                         [Virgil, [10th _Eclogue_]

    I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. I apologize to all concerned.

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