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From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:53:52 GMT

harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

 [ other irrelevant stuff deleted]

>Back in 1972 when I entered RI, if my dad had to fork out $200 as fees,
>we would have been big financial straits.  I used myself as an example when
>the ORA (Old Rafflesians Association) had a survey amongst its members back 
>when the suggestion to turn RI private was made.

>I raised the concern that without financial help, I could not have attended
>RI.  The ORA (one of the partners in helping to run RI today), did take this 
>into consideration as it was a major concern amongst the alumni.  They have 
>in place scholarship schemes, affliation card schemes (through Standard 
>Chartered Bank you can get a VISA card that gives some money to ORA for the 
>scholarship fund - if you want more info, e-mail me) etc.

Wouldn't that actually defeat the purpose of determining who needs
financial assistance though? With the restrictions on credit card issuance
you 'd think those who could afford a Visa in Singapore would be
able to pay RI's fees (Unless that is not intended for the one
who needs assistance, but is a marketing strategy to increase VISA
membership among a particular segment of the market, ie RI alum?).

>I do not know of the percentage of students having assistance extended to
>them.  The current principal, Eugene Wijeysingha has said that this is done
>on a very discreet basis as some people might not take such "hand-outs"
>easily.  I feel that one should not be ashamed to be receiving such help.  
>Last year, the kid who topped the PSLE was granted admission to RI. His 
>family, however, was not able to support him.  His plight came to the 
>attention of Mendaki (the boy happens to be a Malay), and Mendaki arranged 
>for funds for him.  RI, I believe, also made provisions for him.

>I have every confidence that nobody is denied a place just because he does 
>not have the funds.

>[text about SDU deleted]

>Enjoy.
>--
>Harish Pillay |                  |    Internet:   harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
>Singapore     | +65-775-0224 (w) |"Psst!  Wanna buy some mint-flavoured gum?"


Bin Ong

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From: sya@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:35:14 -0500
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gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:

>sya@PE3.PE.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>
>>af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>
>>> In a previous article, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) says:
>>>
>>>>In article <ll9mb5k2@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee ) writes:
>>>
>>>>> WHEN WILL IT BE FOR MALAYSIA  ?.
>>>>
>>>>YOu have got the Commonwealth Games, so dont expect to be in Olympic contention
>>>>until 2016...
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, you'll probably do a "Montreal" on everyone.
>>>>
>>>>Malaysia has a sad Olympic record -- 18 million people and zero medals.
>>>>It is quite sad, as Malaysia should have one a medal by now!
>>>					  ^^^
>>>			   ...but, but ALL 18 million realizes
>>>				bad English grammar when they see one...
>
>
>>  That's 18 million realize (plural verb). I see nothing wrong with
>                     ^^^^^^^
>That's ALL 18 million realise... :) Personally I would have preferred 
>"recognise". ;)

  "Realize" with the "z" is an Americanism with which I am more familiar.

  I realise that this thread is becoming more and more humourous, and
  may even well be the centre of attention in this newsgroup. Such
  playful excursions from the serious side of this programme serve to
  colour our lives with gaeity.

>           
>>  Mr. Swift's construct other than mispelling "won". 

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From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
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Subject: Re: Malaysia + Badminton + Olympic
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:08:52 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Thanks for the info, Kelvin.
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Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 09:27:40 EST
From: <MALAYSIA@MTUS5.BITNET>
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Subject: Malaysian Foods



Re : Report on a dinner party organized by Malaysian Students Assoc. at
     Michigan Tech University.



July 28th, Tuesday.

     A closed dinner party was organized to serve those member  who has
miss home and home cook foods from Malaysia. The purpose of this dinner
party is to bring all the Malaysian students together to share and
get to know one another better before a new school year starts. We are
lucky to have a few active female members who willing to cook for us.
The food was excellent, I never taste anything like it for quite
sometime and it was really excellent foods. I can see that by watching
my members finished up the foods so fast. We had curry chicken( In three
different cooks), Malay rice, "Curry Sotong"( One of the major dish that
I enjoy the most), Chicken puff, "Mee Goreng" and a lot more. The dinner
party was a huge success and over 40 members came to the party.
Everybody had a good time that night and loaded their stomach full of
good foods before they head home. I hope we can do that again sometime
in the future. For those Malaysians out there, you too can enjoy good
food if you can put all your members together and organize a dinner
party like what we did.
     I will keep you inform our future activity, if you want to come
and join us, please keep in mind you are always welcome.




Reported by Chon Y. Ooi
            President of
            Malaysian Students Association at
            Michigan Tech University.
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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia )
Subject: RI(in SIngapore)
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:07:03 GMT

When you take in the top 2% of PSLE students, chances are that four years
later, you would produce the top 2% of GCE students. RI produces good
students, there is no doubt about that. However, I'd be more impressed if
they took in the 'average' student as well and maintain its standard.

Edmund
From: sya@PE3.PE.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Date: 26 Jul 92 08:59:05 GMT


af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:

> In a previous article, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) says:
>
>>In article <ll9mb5k2@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee ) writes:
>
>>> WHEN WILL IT BE FOR MALAYSIA  ?.
>>
>>YOu have got the Commonwealth Games, so dont expect to be in Olympic contention
>>until 2016...
>>
>>Anyway, you'll probably do a "Montreal" on everyone.
>>
>>Malaysia has a sad Olympic record -- 18 million people and zero medals.
>>It is quite sad, as Malaysia should have one a medal by now!
>					  ^^^
>			   ...but, but ALL 18 million realizes
>				bad English grammar when they see one...


  That's 18 million realize (plural verb). I see nothing wrong with
  Mr. Swift's construct other than mispelling "won". 


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From: ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Barter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian Prince
Summary: The Malaysian Prince was interviewed today by Australian ABC radio
Keywords: custody religion international
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:04:18 GMT

The Malaysian Prince put his side of the story today in a radio interview
with a journalist from Australian ABC radio's LAW Report. He came across
very well and dispelled many of the questions raised by the mother.

He pointed out that the children had originally been removed from Malaysia on
false pretexes. He claimed that if he had been permitted to give his
children instruction in Islam then he would have been happy to allow them
to remain in Australia.

The interviewer commented afterwards that this showed up a defficiency
in Australia's Family Law. The right of both parents to ensure that the
children maintain their connection to the religious and cultural background
of both parents is not guarenteed. The same problem is probably in Malaysian
law..although I dont really know.

He did not seem to mind that they were being taught about Christianity
but he wanted them to also be exposed to Islam..presumably so that
they would be able to make up their own minds...

It seems that the situation is very symmetrical. In the Malaysian/Muslim
view the children were abducted from Malaysia. The Australian view is
just the opposite.

I hope the rest of the Australian media plays the interview because it
shows clearly that he is a very well educated and reasonable man.
Unfortunately the popular stereotype here of Muslim princes has been
played upon by the media and the Gillespies.

I hope very much that a reasonable compromise can be found and that
further prejudiced comments and nationalist sentiments do not raise
tempers even more.

Paul Barter,  University of Adelaide, South Australia.
email:  ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:58:56 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <harish.604.0@csar.uucp>, harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

> Well, I just called up Standard Chartered (+65-227-7662) and verified that
> indeed there is an amount of money that SC gives to ORA for the scholarship
> scheme.  The nice lady at the end of the phone, however, could not confirm
> what percentage it is, saying that it is confidential.  In any case, I recall
> reading somewhere that it was 1% (maybe it is 0.5%).

The cost structure in the credit card business is rather complicated, and I
am not surprised that the nice lady is not sure about the percentage going
into the scholarship fund.  Assuming that the bank charges a 2% on Visa
transactions from its merchant, part of this will go to the issuing bank
(i.e. the bank that issues the Visa to the cardholder), the remainder going
to the merchant's bank.  If however the merchant's bank provide the merchant
a POS (point-of-sale), the merchant's bank is entitle to a bigger share
of the proceeds.  The idea is to encourage POS usage among merchants because
POS is better at combating fraudulent transactions.

Due to the keen competition among both merchant-accepting banks and card
issuing banks, it is little wonder that many intend to move their income from
being interest-based to being fee-based (i.e. annual subscription fees etc).

Regards.

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From: algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng)
Subject: Re: How good (?) is life in Singapore?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.235839.7072@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

[Stuff deleted above]
>
>If you have kids, you need not worry about good educational facilities being
>available to them. Many schools, private and public exist to provide good
>education and serve as an alternative to the 'International schools'(which 
>charge exhorbitant fees) for the kids of expatriates in Singapore. What you
>do have to worry about is having your kids pick up that Singaporean trait of
>'Kiasuness'(roughly translated as being afraid to lose) in that gladitorial
>arena which also serves as Singapore's education system - then again you might
>consider being 'kiasu' a virtue.

	International schools are completely independent of
the Singapore educational system. I have heard that the 
government actively discourages any Singaporeans from 
attending these International schools. So international
students remain pretty ignorant of the paper chase in
Singapore. Therefore no need to worry.

[Stuff deleted below]

Weng Leong
Stanford U.
From: koay@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: 1998 Commonwealth Games
Keywords: Congratulation ! Kuala Lumpur
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:46:07 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

HOORAY!!!!!
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From: Black_Swan@MTS.RPI.EDU
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Subject: Encik Othman & Others
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:44:58 GMT
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leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
 
|l> Actually if Encik Othman is writing from Malaysia he would have been in jail
|l> under our ISA laws without trial for as long as the government pleases. Wonder
|l> why the Singapore government is not acting yet ? 
 
While I agree with you that some of his comments and writing had been
off based and in bad taste, I don't think it merits putting him in
jail.  I don't see why the gorvenment of Singapore should put him in
jail either under ISA.  Are you telling me that you condone such an
action ? I don't and it is a very frightening thought. The very least,
if he indeed had stir up racial disharmony, is to arrest him and put
him on trial.  He has perhaps angered us here on the net and perhaps
you can take him to court for that 8)? Don't get me wrong. I am not
supporting his actions and he should know better to discuss thing
fairly even though it is high sensitive and not make hasty
generalization and prejuidiced statements like he did. If he continues
this way, very soon his name will be in everyone's kill file and he
will be ignored.
 
 
 
Black Swan
Black_Swan@mts.rpi.edu
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From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:35:29 GMT

rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>In article <1992Jul26.170428.2882@memstvx1.memst.edu>, rtssaid@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Jul26.153348.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>>> Malaysia has a sad Olympic record -- 18 million people and zero medals.

>> Yes sir..it is very sad indeed. But, how could you compare the no. of medals
>> won by a nation with its population? Are you saying that the no. of medals
>> won should be proportional to the size of population?

>No.

>But I am saying that Malaysia has a large population, and it is sad that they
>have not won a medal yet.

>(Compare this with, say, Aruba.  Island nation with small population, hence
>it is not really surprising that they haven't won a medal...  Or Monaco, or
>Mauritius, or...)

>Rod

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Put it another way :

	Australia is almost as large as the United States. It's very sad
that it has not been able to win as many medals (nor even come close) as
the US.

	How does that sound, Rod ? I think that's your way of thinking ...
Right ?!   :->  

Regards,
YS

	 

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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.170112.17051@menudo.uh.edu>, acsm1@menudo.uh.edu (Reza Hussein) writes:
|> Did anyone notice the obnoxious NBC newscasters who kept downplaying small and
|> insignificant countries as they walked into the stadium in their remarks? When
|> Brunei's small contingent came in, one of them commented that "The only event
|> that they [Brunei] are going to compete is the BUFFET!" Fortunately, they
|> gave more credit to Malaysia's delegates. But still the only camera shots of
|> the team was only of Razif Sidek who was the flag bearer. The audience at home
|> couldn't even see the entire team.
|> 
|> Anyone catch it over cable? Better coverage?
|> -- 
|> Reza Hussein -- rhussein@uh.edu
|> 
|> Tip the world over on its side and everything loose will land in Los Angeles.
|> - Frank Lloyd Wright

NBC is an American network so it is obvious that there coverage
would be biased towards the American atheletes. Costas doesn't
give two hoots about any country with a small delegation. The 
Canadian network had a little better coverage of the ceremony. 
(CTV, not CBC). Unfortunately, their announcer was simply
regurgitating stuff that the IOC provided. The American
networks are great in providing coverage for baseball, football
and basketball but when it comes to coverage of most other
world events (witness World Cup football) they are quite
sad. 
-- 

Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
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From: kfboey@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Steve Boey)
Subject: Olympics Opening Ceremony 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.212614.6128@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
> In article <Bs300L.3Ev@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kfboey@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Steve Boey) writes:
> 
> Re: the lighting of the olympic flame...
> >	I'm just glad that the fella didn't miss his target at the opening
> >ceremony !   :-)
> 
> But... he DID miss.  The flames were lit electronically.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
> Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
> Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
> 
> 
	Well, I think we should give him credit. Afterall he shot it over
the torch to start the Olympic flame.

	If they wanted the flaming arrow to DROP INTO the torch then maybe
they should have sought help from a member of the Dream Team :-)


					.Steve Boey.


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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Malay and Islam:  an ever lasting match?
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:13:47 GMT

Regarding the post by E.A. Jaafar about Malays having to be Muslim, my question
is:

	Why must a Malay be a Muslim?

After all, Islam was brought to Malaysia by Arabic traders.  What were Malays
before that?  Race should not be an issue where religion is concerned; only the
individual should decide.  

It's like saying that a Caucasian MUST be a Christian of some sort.  This is
obviously untrue as there are many who are Buddhists, Muslim, etc.  So race
should be completely irrelevant.


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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince: New Developments
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:54:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <4900007@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
> 
> father. Anyway an Australian film producer is in Malaysia trying to make a film
> out of this daring eposide.

....but of course...it seems to me that the australian film makers has
always been extremely interested in stories abt Malaysia and its people
esp the malays.

	I'm pretty darn sure that the movie will be the very accurately
told and that will present views on both sides...like they've always
been of course.  And that they'll be interested in only the truth out of
the story and not some cheap tricks sorda smear campaign or anything.

	And another thing...I'm sure that the movie will be so good and
well written that everybody will got a kick out it just like the others.

 
				N O T ! ! !

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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:35:31 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <920722163649.20806317@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   American Express claims their cardholders charge more, hence the
>   higher rates merchants need to pay. Several shops in the States
>   have boycotted the card to protest the exorbitant fees. American
>   Express is not listening, however.

The reason that American Express is not listening is because they have a
virtual monopoly on the AMEX card.  This contrast with Visa and MasterCard/
Access because one need only pay for the franchise to be a card issuer.

Then there is also the issue of credit card versus charge cards.  Although
AMEX clams that their charge cards have no preset spending limit, operationally
there is an "internal" credit limit attach to each card.

Regards.

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