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From: kasha@twolf6.CE.YALE.EDU (Dan B. Kasha)
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Keywords: WBA
Reply-To: kasha@twolf.ce.yale.edu
Organization: Yale Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:19:21 GMT

If this thread is trying to talk people into building wheels, I have one
thing to add.  Building a wheel (better than say a nashbar stock wheel) is
much easier than truing a used wheel.  You are starting with a rather round
rim (no bends dents other than gentle out of roundness), and you are starting
with rather even length unbent spokes.  The chance of getting in trouble is
slim because you can just keep everything even and be about right.  I find
it extremely easy to get it to that mm level which is much better than a
stock wheel that was ridden for a few miles.  
Dan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sasmjw@laverda.unx.sas.com (Martyn J. Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Taxing bicycles? (note new subject heading)
    <1992Apr7.215430.26882@u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: sasmjw@unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Cary NC
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:44:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Originator: sasmjw@laverda.unx.sas.com
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Would you people in rec.bicycles please be so kind as to check your
newsgroups line when you post?  A lot of your stuff is now (clearly
unintentionally) being cross-posted to rec.motorcycles.

Thank you,

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From: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: error in the faq?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:59:18 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


From the faq, under Nutrition and Food:
 
Simple sugars such a sucrose, glucose and fructose are the quickest
sources of energy and in moderate quantities of about 100gm/hr
 
Isn't this a bit excessive?  Like this would mean eating two 
and a half powerbars per hour of riding?


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: scott@mks.com (Scott Nicol)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:46:26 GMT

In article <21155@hacgate.UUCP> kemasa@ipld01.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:
>In article <180917@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>>      visibility.  Biker's CAN'T speed...and cars are a bit more
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Welcome to reality. Bikers CAN speed, all it takes is a hill.

   You don't even need a hill (let alone a good one).  All it takes is
a half-decent sprint, and you can easily blow a 40 km/h (25 mph) speed
limit.  If you have a good sprint, you should have no problem going
faster than 60 km/h.  Around 70 - 75 km/h, pedalling won't help you
anymore, and _then_ you'll need a hill to go faster.

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From: gilles@dgbt.doc.ca (Gilles Gagnon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Questions about knee pain and seatpost length.
Keywords: knee, pain, seatpost
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:41:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Communications Research Centre

Hi. Following my post on "Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously..." I have a question
about some knee pain. 

After my fall with clipless ( riding speed = 0 Km/hr or so ) I noticed on the way back home
that the area around my left knee ( the leg which did not release ) was hurting slightly.
I wonder if the forces imposed onto my knee during the fall may have cuased the pain
or if I should look for something else like seat or cleat adjustement. It is the first
time I notice such a pain after a few days riding with clipless pedals. Any ideas?

Also, on the seat adjustment side, I would like to know how much of the seatpost should
remain in the seatstay so a failure of either does not occur I assume. I have read that at
least four inches of the seatpost should remain inside the seatstay but the "maximum" marking
on my seatpost is at 2 1/2 inches. For the seat to be adjusted correctly I would have 
approximately 3 inches of seatpost left inside the seatstay. Any need to worry here? What
would break first the post or the stay?

Thanks for any info.

Gilles

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.162609.2615@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

> 
>In California, if 5 or more vehicles are lined up behind you waiting to pass, 
>you are required by law pull over as soon as safely possible to allow them 
>to pass. Most cops I've talked to interpret this (in the case of bicycles) to 
>mean "immediately". 

Man, I wish they'd interpret it that stringently in the case of
Winnebagos or '64 Chevys driven by little old men with hats....

>Now, I just had a pleasant little ride last weekend on California 35, 264, and 
>9. Plenty of bicyclists on 35, I didn't see any on the other roads. When
>approaching them from behind, I honked my horn from about 100 yards behind.

You don't need to honk.  We can hear you fine without it.

>Most pulled over farther to the right. There was one exception, but as
>there was no approaching traffic, I merely swerved around him (had there been
>an approaching car, I would have slowed much more than I did; in any event,
>this clown pulled FARTHER to the left, but I was way in the other lane by this
>time. One of these days, that clown will be a statistic. Oh well).

Evolution In Action. :-)


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               Real motorcyclists work on their own bikes.
From: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: hpv race in ontario
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:56:59 EST
Reply-To: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Human Powered Vehicles of Southern Ontario has announced the Delaware,
Ontario HPV Classic, May 29, 30 and 31.  It will take place at the
Delaware Speedway Park in Delaware, Ontario near London.  Events 
scheduled include a demonstration race during the friday night series
of auto racing.  The main events on Saturday are as follows:

Morning:   100 metre time trials with a 700 metre runup.

           9 kilometre, hilly, time trial on country roads out and back
           from the speedway.  A turnaround and one complete stop will
           be featured.

12 noon:   1 hour distance race on the track.

Afternoon: Class races - unfared 16 km, partial fared 24 km,
           fully fared 32 km also on the track.
           
Evening:   Bring Your Own Barbeque.

Sunday:    HPVrs have been invited to join the London Cycling Club's
           regularly scheduled outings.  Four separate groups will
           leave from the entrance of Greenway Park at 9:00 am in West
           London and ride distances of between 50 and 100 km.

This info copied from the April HPVSO newsletter.  For further info
contact:
          Human Powered Vehicles of Southern Ontario
          c/o Dennis Taves
          637 Wellington Street West
          Toronto, Ontario  M5V 1G5
          (416)601-1124 /(416)603-0081 (bus)

          gary.walsh@canrem.com  |  Written in East York, Ontario.
          GEnie:G.WALSH7         |  Posted on Canada Remote Systems BBS.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: goelz@perch.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher k goelz)
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.141603.9359@einoed.in-berlin.de> alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne) writes:
>ccfa001@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (Curt Vaughan) writes:
>
>It finally happened to me last week ... some @#$% QR'd the seat and
>post off of my mtb.

The easiest and most convenient solution I know of is the Sansin removable
quick release lever.  You can close it and then remove just the lever, so
the only way to remove the seat (beside drastic measures such as sawing it
off) is to re-insert the lever.  I have one and it works great.  It can be
ordered from Nashbar or Performance (Nashbar was cheaper last time I looked)
for about $8-$10.

Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:50:08 -0400 
From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Corrosion problems in Al Bikes (Wuz XXX Schwinn...)

From what I remember from my Chem II class here at CMU, the Al will
corrode, but not like steel.  It will only corrode the top layer.  The
corrosion will not eat away the metal, only leave that funny white
coating on it.  Bare aluminium will corrode only the top few molecules,
not the entire piece like steel.
--Chris
school: x4545
Home: 703-264-0058
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: floyd@wam.umd.edu (Jim Matthews)
Subject: Re: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:00:33 GMT

Andy Dickinson writes
> Just a casual inquiry -- anyone have the new Vetta C-20 cyclocomputer?
> I was thinking of getting one 'cause it is the cheapest one I've seen
> with both cadence and a clock.
> 
> Anyone used it?

I wish I could tell you.  I ordered one from Nashbar for my MTB, and it's been
backordered for a month now.  I called them up and they said they are having
problems getting shipments from France.  Anyone else have this problem?
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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Oklahoma Bike Law (Danger to Cyclists,  READ it Les E.)
Keywords: bike law legislation wrong side of road
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:59:02 GMT

Steve Jernigan writes about the article in Cycling USA on a proposed
law change in Oklahoma that would force all bicycle riders to become
leftists:
>The ad stated that this was only Oklahoma legislation, but the ramifications
>of this type of legislation spreading are sobering.  Has the USCF done
>anything to prevent this legislation from being passed? (How about it Les?

As far as I know, the USCF national organization has not gotten
involved in this issue beyond publicizing it.  This is, of course, a
matter of concern for all cyclists in Oklahoma, though I would expect
their legislature to have enough sense to reject it.

>How about LAW (League of American Wheelmen)?  

They are an appropriate organization to address this issue, as would
be all cycling organizations within Oklahoma.

>Since this appeared in an issue of Cycling USA near April 1st (April Fools Day),
>I can only hope that this is a jest in extremely poor taste.  If it is not,
>I hope this can be stopped.

I believe that it is not a joke.  There is almost never anything put in
CUSA that is intentionally funny, though there are a fair number of
laughs anyway.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Chuck Schultz)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:58:29 GMT

sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:

> In article <iusuiB1w164w@banana.ithaca.ny.us> chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Chu
> >stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
> >
> >> In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (
> >
> >One of the biggest problems in city traffic is the law that says
> >you must stay as far to the right as possible.  
> 
> What law says that? 


It's in the NY state driver's manual.

> I only know that when making a _right_ turn, one is supposed to pull over
> as close to the curb as possible to make the turn. (instead of swinging
> way out to the left, or staying out left to make the right turn)
> 
> It is far better to try to drive down the center of a given lane
> as opposed to clinging to the left or the right unless there is
> a reason to such as parked cars, obstructions, etc, or if you are
> getting ready to make a turn.
> 
> >This creates a
> >mindset in riders that they have to stay next to the curb, and
> >drive around parked cars and other obstructions, such as drains,
> >etc.  They would be much safer by asserting their right to a part
> >of the _traffic_ lane, and riding in a straight, predictable line. 
> >If traffic is slow enough, I even ride in the middle of the lane,
> >to make sure I don't get squeezed.  Also, I don't pass cars
> >stopped at a stop light.  I stay in line, rather than tick off
> >somebody who will soon be behind me.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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>   \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
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> ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
> 	  


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (WONG  Peter Chih Chen)
Subject: Re: What is the best, lightest MTB seatpost?
Reply-To: wong@bullet.ecf.utoronto.ca (Peter Wong)
Organization: Dept. of Ind. Eng., U of Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:11:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.122732.13710@watserv1.waterloo.edu> praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>Of course you will barely notice the weight loss.  Like the stem most of the
>weight is in the connecting H/W and the best way would be to weld it straight
>on so you don't have to drag all of that unnecessary adjustability around.

You can also cut off excess seatpost but if you're a weight freak,
you probably buy frames that are the smallest you can fit on and
therefore have to find seatposts that are extra-long :-)

--Peter
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: seeking Am. Classic/Kingsberry bottom bracket
Keywords: bottom bracket, American Classic, Kingsberry
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:29:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65472
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Does anyone know of a bay area shop that stocks American Classic or 
Kingsberry bottom brackets?

I've seen photos in mail order catalogs, and am intrigued by the design:
they've taken a normal BB and replaced the balls and races with cartridge
bearings.  You have adjustable cups on both sides, and simply tighten them
until the bearings are snug up against shoulders on the spindle.

This is not the kind of thing I'd buy mail order, however.  I want to talk
to someone who's used the product and who will back up his recommendations
if it turns out the product isn't as good as he's claimed.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Keywords: WBA
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:32:13 GMT

weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
>In article <ku15f5INNcd1@news.bbn.com> ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns) writes:
>>I've starting to truing and rounding all my friends wheels for free
>>and I just finished building my second wheel!  I built an MA-40, with a 
>>Shimano 600 front hub, DT 15-16-15 spokes and alloy nipples.  It came out
>>great and I had a blast!
>>
>There is hope... for me.  I'll send you my wheels for truing. :-)  I think wheel
>builders/truers are an elitist weirdo group if you ask me.  All that time
>spent with a spoke wrench hunched over a wheel:  there's got to be something
>wrong with them.  Maybe it's just jealousy.  I can't built a wheel if my life
>depended on it.  The only times I've even attemped truing a wheel is when
>the wheel is so bad I can feel it.

Anyone who can't build & true a wheel just must be deficient...I built
my first one a week or so ago & it took about an hour or so while
watching tv to lace & rough-tension, then an hour the next evening to
finish the rounding & truing.  Easy.  & I had a blast, too.  (Of
course, I haven't ridden it yet, so I may be eating my words here
pretty soon...:-)

Oh, yeah, as for the "deficiency" claim -- I should admit that I can't
saw a straight line with a table saw...so it's all in good fun!

:-)
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From: metcalf@blast.bso.uiuc.edu (Ralph Metcalf)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Force 40 Brakes
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:14:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: blast.metcalf.702584111
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>[discussion of bicycle braking systems]

>Brakes with servo assist such as the Scott self energizing brake are
>what automotive brake designers abhor.  Such brakes deliver a retardation
>that is not proportional to hand lever force.  They are dependent on
>on the coefficient of friction and have a multiplying factor that can
>lock up a brake if the rims are sticky.  Motorcycles use disk brakes for
>this purpose because drum brakes, although more powerful, are self
>energizing and, therefore, non linear and less predictable.

  No. Drum brakes can be configured either self-energizing or non
self-energizing; I have both kinds on my motorcycle (1982 Yam. XS400SJ).

  Be careful about the reason why motorcycles use disk brakes; the two biggest
reasons are heat and weight.

  The rotating mass required for drum brakes is enourmous compared to disks.
Harder to spin up, but, more inportantly, much harder to slow down.  With
increasingly larger drums, a larger percentage of the braking power is consumed
in slowing down the braking *system*.  The law of diminishing returns
definately applies here.

  Secondly, heat dissipation is important to prevent fading and warped
surfaces.  Rotors can be ventillated, slotted or drilled to help dissipate heat
(also reduces rotational inertia).  Drum brakes are *very* hard to cool, so
overheating becomes one of the limiting factors on braking performance.

  I don't agree that drum brakes are more powerful; this is definately not
my experience!  Unfortunately, I am not qualified to give definitive reasons
why this is so.  I'm sure some of the performance motorcycle people can give
better and more complete explanations about the reasons for using disk brakes.
I do not want to start any sort of rec.motorcycles <--> rec.bicycles flame war,
so readers are on their own for a better answer.  (Read: I'n not going to
cross-post this!)

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: A Nice Word for Huffy
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:05:46 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ


Just a nice word for Huffy: their parts department is cheap
and efficient.

Twice now I've gotten replacement cranksets and parts within a
couple days by calling the factory, replacing bearings and cones
that wore out after about 10,000 miles.

The bill was never over $25.

The bikes are sturdy, and nobody steals them. They're not real
fast, but you wanted a workout, right?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: Never call bumps again
Organization: CSI Dept., University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:00:08 GMT

REAL(tm) stokers don't need a saddle.  They are always standing because their
captains don't pedal.

Seriously, I found that I'm not quite a REAL(tm) stoker and found the stock
Specialized Transition 26mm tyre was absurdly harsh on my derriere.  After
a couple of centuries, I replaced the tyres with a pair of Avocet Crosses:
a 35mm for the front wheel and a 38mm for the rear.  Though the bike is quite
noticeably more ponderous, but my cheeks thank me for them.  Cheap, too!
-- 
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