From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re:Libel &Fraud Continues on UseNet
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:46:19 GMT
Organization: Columbia University


 

In article <1993Jan4.013404.4370@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.113544.2334@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu 
>[DD] Hmm...just where is your quote, in the same paragraph as ...1915... 
>[DD] regarding an "unknown number of Turks"! You sir would not only be thrown 
>[DD] off of a debating team but most likely would be banned from further 
>[DD] competition!
> 
>[VD] Oooo really..If anyone who does not have the book and wants to check it 
>[VD] from the book they may go to library or to the Barnes & Noble bookstores 
>[VD] to buy it..  (the Emergence of Modern Turkey,Bernard Lewis,page 356,2nd
>[VD] ed.,1968, Oxford Unv. Press)
>
>[VD] You will see how David Davidian twists the facts.. 
>
>I have the book right next to me. On page 356 your quote DOES NOT EXIST! Give
>me your FAX number and I will fax it to you. Give me telephone numbers of some
>local Boston-area Turks and I will show them both English AND Turkish texts. I
>typed in the entire contents of page 356 on my previous posting. I have no idea
>what you are talking about, other than you being a liar.
 
 
  I don't lie mr.davidian..but you had been humiliated for the fake quotation
  and for lying in past..'Can cikar huy cikmazmis' der, people of turkiye...
 
  Anyone who doesn't have the book and wants to check it from the book
  s/he can get it from library or from a book store,if you can not please
  ask me by e-mail or by sct I will send you the copy of the page 356.
   
   
  thus,you will see which quotation is correct..
 
  Both quotations are from the same page,same paragraph,same edition,
  same press..(The emergence of Modern Turkey, Bernard Lewis,2ed, 1968,
  Oxford university press)  
  
  From page 356:
 
  below Mr.Davidian's quotation:
 
 

>DIRECTLY FROM: Second Edition of Bernard Lewis's _The Emergence of Modern 
>               Turkey_, 1968, Oxford University Press, London, Oxford, New 
>               York, page 356, first full paragraph, 4 1/4" down from the
>               top of the page ending at 1 1/4" before the bottom of the page. 
>........
>.....
> association. Now a desperate struggle between them began a struggle between 
> two nations for the possession of a single homeland, that ended with the 
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
> terrible holocaust of 1915 when a million and half Armenians perished."
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
 
  
   my quotation:
 
     "Now a desperate struggle between them began a struggle between 
      two nations for the possesion of a single homeland, that ended
                                                        
      with the terrible holocaust of 1915, when, according to some
                                                 *****************   
      estimates, up to a million of half Armenians perished, as well
      ********   *****                                       *******
      as an unknown number of Turks."
      ******************************
 
 
   I have no 'idea' why those underlined words by (****) disappeared
   in Mr.Davidian's quotation...
 
   New skills in lying?
 
 
 
 Saygilarimla,
 ismet
               
        
            Zor; her yeni duzene gebe olan, her eski duzenin ebesidir.