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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.025208.13047@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.220640.628@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.220637.16608@lunatix.uucp> lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett) writes:
>>
>>
>>It was a pleasant diversion, but I see no reason not to wait for the
>>paperback.
>>
>The paperback came out in 1988.

If the paperback of TALE OF THE BODY THIEF came out in 1988, one can
only wonder why they delayed the hardback until 1992. 


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Accuracy in Academia
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:20:02 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <85778@ut-emx.uucp> 
jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:

>Interesting question: Does "Rabelaisian" mean "like Rabelais, in the
>spirit of Rabelais" or does it mean "specifically by Rabelais"?
>
>If the former, then a lot of stuff qualifies; if the latter, only
>Rabelais himself will do.
>
>And are we taking "like Rabelais" to mean any of Rabelais' subject
>matter, or limiting it to stuff that fits Bakhtin's definition of
>"carnivalesque," which is at least as much (in my view) a social and
>class definition as it is of subject matter. (Here, Jack Campin! Here!)

Consider that, by Bakhtin's own lights, Rabelais is most unRabelaisian
in the story of the Th\'el\`eme abbey, which is the culmination, and
the most important part of _Gargantua_, as well as in the conclusion
of the cycle, the counsel of the Oracle of the Divine Bottle.
Notwithstanding the great historical merits of Bakhtin's work, it is
marred by a profound and deliberate disregard of the fact that the
aims of Rabelais were altogether orthogonal to the celebration of the
carnivalesque.

>I will digress at this point to recommend Michael Camille's _Image on
>the Edge_, a discussion of the imagery in the margins of medieval
>manuscripts. It is Camille's position that these marginal images
>show societally marginal activities. Sex and defecation are most
>prominent, and much reference is made to Bakhtin, carnival, Rabelais
>and Foucault. I don't entirely agree with Camille's thesis for
>methodological reasons (I just wrote a paper on all this) but it's
>still an interesting book, and gives a rare glimpse into one of the
>more bizarre byways of medieval studies.

Speaking of methodological reasons, Camille is a shame to his alleged
profession.  Look carefully at his ludicrous transcription of the
Latin texts, and tell me how his abject ignorance of grammar reflects
on his competence as a mediaevalist.  When the revolution comes,
frauds like that will be the first to swing on the streetlights.

>-- 
>"Every passion borders on the chaotic, but the collector's passion
>borders on the chaos of memories" 
>                                                -- Walter Benjamin
> ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!jzimm   

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: it seems to be about vision . . .
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:24:47 GMT

s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu:
>Zweig's post is impeccably logical if one accepts the initial premise, which
>is that education used to be "value-free." 

What I said, and I think I'm right, is that many or most educators believed
this to be the case.  I consider that significant.  I appreciate your
description of the rest of my post as "impeccably logical" though.  

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
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Subject: Non-rabelaisian farts were flatulence was Ngaio Marsh
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:26:09 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Leslie Troutman answers:

	Mikw Godwin asks:

		I'm trying to think of some non-Rabelaisian pieces 
		about farting. Are there any?

	There is a Mark Twain short story, the name of which escapes 
	me at present.  It's *very* bawdy and hilarious.  I've been 
	told it's in the most recent Library of America edition of 
	Twain's work.  I've got a photocopy at home and can check the 
	title if there's interest.

It probably won't do. Its Rabelaisian. Actually, we have a problem. It
is difficult to imagine anything about farting that is not either
Rabelaisian (by Godwin's definition this included the Miller's Tale)
or medical. In what civilization has farting not been a joke?

						RABworm
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.233606.3346@csusac.csus.edu> yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
>Yes of course, yes of course, depends on if it's _The Secret Garden_ or
>_Goodnight Moon_ (length and relative difficulty, not quality), and
>*comic books*???? You're kidding, right?

Why do you think so? I'd certainly count reading Maus I and II as reading
two books. Ditto for Signal to Noise and any Sandman collection. On the
other hand, as opposed to my very strong beliefs at age 6, I wouldn't
count J. Random Regular Size And Schedule Comic Book as a book these days.
(The reason for said strong beliefs was that my first grade teacher kept
track of how many books we'd read, including those our parents would sign
off on that we'd read at home. Since I went into first grade already reading
[primarily due to comic books btw] and had already decided I liked it,
I broke the school record during second quarter and ended up with a total
of somewhere in the low 300s for the school year [as noted on my report card; I
probably wouldn't recall the numbers as well if not]. I was quite displeased
that comic books weren't allowed in the total as I would have easily broken
500 if they'd been counted and they were certainly more advanced reading
than most of the books in the first grade library which were counted).

"The perils of ambulatory reading. If you have never said "Excuse me" to a
parking meter or bashed your shins on a fireplug, you are probably wasting too
much valuable reading time." --Sherri Chasin Calvo
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Michael S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Morally good hypertext
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:52:51 GMT

                                      Wednesday, the 23rd of December, 1992

Steve Dyer writes:
  Frankly, I wish Morris hadn't brought up Reagan.  It completely muddies
  the discussion with irrelevancies.

I wouldn't agree about the irrelevancy. In fact, I think it's been most
illustrative. But, more to the point here, it was my impression, Steve,
that I was responding to Jack Campin, who was the first to bring
up (albeit allusively) Reagan and the notion that hypertext might have
saved us all from his howlers.

               Mike Morris
         (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
From: timc@twilight.dr.att.com (BL054626-CarlsonT(DR2118)220)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:01:18 GMT

There is a book out that is a guide to this book, which 
provides explanations, etc.  Anyone know the title and
author?  Please reply directly to me.

Thanks,

Tim

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From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Subject: Re: Stark Naked
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:32:25 GMT

In article <NICHAEL.92Dec23180948@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
>
>francis@oas.stanford.edu (Our Buddy Francis) writes:
>
>   Click & Clack, the Tappet Bros., of Car Talk have a list of these names
>   which grows increasingly excruciating as the weeks go by. Their book,
>   *CAR TALK*, may include a list.
>
>BTW as listeners know, C&C (who, as a point of trivia, actually _are_
>my real-life auto mechanics) have recently moved their center of
>operation to Harvard Sq.  A couple of floors up over the heart of the
>Square (across from the Out of Town News kiosk) can be seen the window
>of their studio, emblazoned --in gold letters-- with the name of that
>famous law firm:
>       
>			   =============
>			   |           |
>			   |   DEWEY   |
>			   |  CHEATEM  |
>			   |  & HOWELL |
>			   |           |
>			   |-----------|
>			   |           |
>			   |           |
>			   |           |
>			   |           |
>			   |           |
>			   =============



In the mid-70s, a UW law student told me that he had become acquainted
with a trio of fellow students named (he swore it was true):  Swindler,
Lawless, and Moneymaker.  Ah, if only they had set up a practice together! 

Also, during that era, a pair of dental practitioners named Carey
(brothers--did they go into auto mechanics later?), set up practice in the
University district.  They immediately became known as the 'Dental
Careys.'

Mary Loveless
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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Getting Hakim Bey's _TAZ_ available via an
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:39:21 GMT

In article 24683@samba.oit.unc.edu, Mitchell.Porter@launchpad.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
>An excerpt from Hakim Bey's book T.A.Z. was just posted to a heap of
>groups. Another excerpt was recently posted to alt.magick.  I know of a
>number of people planning to transcribe part or all of the book. So that
>eople don't go duplicating each other's efforts, could anyone who has part
>or all of TAZ online, is planning to transcribe ppart of it, knows where
>part is archived, etc etc, ploease mail me information or a copy. This way
>we can get one complete copy available on the net, rather than dribs and
>drabs in different laces.
>

I designed and typeset the book, helped Hakim edit it, etc.
I've got the entire original text on computer, so you are
all wasting your time.  I'll check with H.B. and see how he feels
about having it posted to the net (he'd _never_ stop you folx from
distributing it, I'll just check and see how he feels about _me_
posting it).

--------

Dave Mandl
Editor/Co-Conspirator
Autonomedia
Brooklyn, NY

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From: GE.SPM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Suzanne Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Mangled Text (Was Re: Mangled Song Lyrics)
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:15:36 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Mis-hearing words being sung is one thing, but mis-reading words on
the page is another.  I have found myself doing the latter for at
least a couple of years now.  It doesn't seem to happen with books,
by the way, but only with newspaper or magazine text.  One example:
in a post-mortem of the last US presidential campaign, I initially
read a reference to Ross Perot's 'grass-roots movement' as
'glass-roots movement'.  Another:  some time ago a cosmetics company
launched an ad campaign for a wrinkle cream called 'Niosome'.  I
initially read that as 'Noisome'.

Is this a form of Freudian slip?  Evidence of creeping senility?  Or
just that when reading cursorily the eye may sometimes go a little
off-kilter?  I would be very interested to know if anyone else out
there has had similar experiences.

Suzanne
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:08:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.182615.2160@lunatix.uucp> lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett) writes about Anne Rice's BELINDA:

>My husband also enjoyed this book a great deal, and felt that one of
>the most fascinating parts was her wonderful portrayal of a male protaganist.
>He said she managed to express a male point of view really well for a female
>author.  Anyway, I recommend it, for what that's worth :).

Rice's recent TALE OF THE BODY THIEF is the story of the Vampire Lestat's
switching bodies with a mortal man. Since much of the story concerns
Lestat's reaction to suddenly being a functioning male human being
again, it involves a similar imaginative leap on Rice's part.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Subject: Re: Non-rabelaisian farts 
Organization: Moi?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:14:30 GMT

There are Japanese fairy tales in which Our Hero wins by breaking wind, though
as I was very young when reading them, I was too disgusted to retain the 
details.
--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | Peace on Earth
                              | to people of goodwill.

CSUS depends on my every word.    
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From: hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry)
Subject: Re: Is a bimbo the modern name for hussy?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:05:25 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


On the rare occasion that I feel the urge to refer to someone as the
male version of a bimbo, I usually say "bimba". On the even rarer
occasion I might otherwise have gotten the urge to refer to a female
as a bimbo, someone else, usually another character beat me to it.
I don't know any non-fictional bimbos or bimbas.

HBO had a Dream On episode called "And Bimbo Was His Name-o".

From context I take bimbo to mean a female vacuum-skulled human
decoration or sex-object. HBO obviously had a broader definition.

-- 
Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
"I myself have had to change banks having filled the first one up."
                                                            Terry Pratchett
From: mukund@tivoli.UUCP (Mukund Belliappa)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: used technical books
Keywords: used technical books sources
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:01:30 GMT
Organization: Tivoli Systems Inc., Austin, TX


I posted this to 'misc.books.technical' yesterday, and forgot to 
post to this group, which is better read ...

-----------------------------------------------------------------
This and other 'books' newsgroups have been good about getting 
together lists of bookstores, addresses, toll-free-numbers,
internet addresses etc. of the big bookstores across the country.
I would like to start making a list of used bookstores, that have
non-trivial selections of technical books.  I have a suspicion
that this list will not be very long. I would like to include the 
'will-help-you-find-out-of-print-books' kind of operations. If 
such a list already exists, I will build on it. Also all 
information will be welcome -- ph. numbers (toll free or not), 
addresses etc. If responses are mailed to me, I'll post the results.
European netters please respond too.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Mukund Belliappa	mukund@tivoli.com
Tivoli Systems Inc.
Austin Texas.
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From: hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry)
Subject: Stan Lee == Stan Lee ?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:04:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Is the Stan Lee of Marvel Comics the same person who wrote The God Project?

-- 
Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
"I myself have had to change banks having filled the first one up."
                                                            Terry Pratchett
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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Non-rabelaisian farts 
Summary: sigh
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:27:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec22.214601.791@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com
(lewis.h.mammel..jr) writes:

>> 	There is a Mark Twain short story, the name of which escapes 
>> 	me at present.  It's *very* bawdy and hilarious.  I've been 

>The title is a date, I think. 1601 maybe. Someone actually posted
>the whole thing once, some years ago. I have a hardcopy of it somewhere.

1603, actually.  It is rather tedious, in fact -- amusing to an innocent
perhaps, but of the nature of a "once funny" unlike Rabelais (or, in what
*I* at least find a different mode of amusement, Chaucer).

I am perplexed by the voices who seem to think that ANY mode of humor
on the subject must (by definition?) be Rabelaisian.  This would seem
to ignore the quite specific stylistic usages of that French saint.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Police Procedurals
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Jan 93 18:35:39 GMT

   Since people are interested in police proceural series, I thought I'd
mention a couple of books I've just read that are from related genres.

   Lawrence Block has written a series featuring an ex-policeman turned
unofficial private detective named Matthew Scudder, who works in
Manhatten.  Lots of New York atmosphere, very violent in parts, with
some good dialogue.  An interesting slant is given by Scudder's being a
recovering alcoholic.  I've read Eight Million Ways to Die and When the
Sacred Ginmill Closes, both of which I'd recommend if you like the
"tough" style.

   Charles McCarry has written a series of spy novels set in the early
sixties.  Sort of untopical now that the Cold War is supposedly over,
but very well written -- I think he's a better stylist than Le Carre.
His main character is Paul Christopher, a top field agent.  One thing I
found unusual about this series is that I thought none of the
characters, including the "good guys," was very attractive, and I wasn't
sure that was the author's intention.  I've just read The Secret Lovers,
which was excellent.  I'd previously read The Tears of Autumn, based on
an intriguing theory about the JFK assassination.
From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:11:01 GMT
Organization: Moi?

In article <1992Dec31.050130.24366@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
>Seeing the astounding quantity of books some posters consumed in 1992
>makes me wonder if reading can be a type of (benign?) addiction.  This 
>may be an especially apt description of those who (compulsively?) read a 
>hundred genre novels a year, mysteries or science fiction for example.
>	Among those who are voracious readers, do you feel the
>equivalent of withdrawal symptoms when (for whatever reason) you cannot 
>read for an extended period? 

Define an extended period.  A day?  *shudder* Longer?

Naaah.  I'm in control, I can quit any time.

When my mother died, I stopped reading for about a month, and there have been
one or two other times nearly as stressful when I haven't wanted to read.  
Sometimes I go completely off a genre for a while, as I did with SF for about
15 years, but I'm still reading.  Magazines if not books.  My mom read about
twice as fast, twice as many books, and my  daughter also leaves me looking
like I never crack a book.  And just think, the average American reads what,
less than a book a year?  We r.a.b.ble are skewing that average, just think
how many non-readers we make up for!

I"m *not* addicted, I just like books.  I can stop any time.  I just don't
choose to do so right now.

--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | When you go out into the world,
			      | watch out for traffic, hold hands,
                              | and stick together.
CSUS depends on my every word.|             --Robert Fulghum    
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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:11:47 GMT

In article <scottj-301292081004@iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu> scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes:

>To my credit, I never had the same problem with Hark, the herald angel.

Gee, I always thought it was "Mark, the herald angel, sins..."

Yours in wet fishes and :)es,

Joan

Yea, the "sins" is a typo - but I thought it fit so well... :)

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From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
Subject: Re: The Folio Society (was: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion)
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:47:19 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

In article <1992Dec21.145056.12052@spider.co.uk> ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens) writes:

>Blimey! Someone's mentioned books on r.a.b.  

Like all the best ideas it was stolen. Someone's done it before.

> My membership of the Folio
>Society has lapsed and the money is spent on nappies instead, but I acquired
>some nice books over the course of four years or so.  The quality of the 
>cover design, bindings and illustrations makes them very pleasant to read.
>The current list often includes some off-beat authors among the classics. 
>
>Samuel Pepy's diary, Gerald Brenan's 'South From Granada', Sybille Bedford's
>'A Visit to Don Otavio', Pietro de la Valle's 'The Pilgrim', and five of
>the eight volumes of Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall' (they stopped printing them
>before I completed the set, regrettably) number among my modest Folio
>collection.

I got Gibbon as it came out, complete Dickens too, and Jane Austen. As you
say, nicely printed and bound; though I find many of the illustrators
boring. Couple of good Woodhouse's though as I recall.  Couldn't resist
the four Wilkie Collins, so I'm back in the fold for now. I think
alternate years might be the best tactic, then you get bribed to
rejoin. 

Sorry about the nappies, still its got compensations if you live long
enough. Dan produced 3 or 4 books this year that I enjoyed reading and
would otherwise have missed. That's a profound pleasure.

Rgds
Alan


-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
From: stoddard@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (MJ STODDARD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Irishly in L. Sprague DeCamp
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec21.124410.24730@maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes...
>twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
>> vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library) writes:
> 
>>>I am reading L. Sprague DeCamp's Lest Darkness Fall and I have a 
>>>question.  In talking about Ebenezer the Jew,  DeCamp describes him
>>>as distressingly pious and says, "he did not eat at all, to put it
>>>Irishly, for fear of transgressing one of the innumerable rules of
>>>his sect."  What does "Irishly" mean here?
> 
Since example is better than explanation, another Irishism, from
Charlotte MacLeod:
The visting (Irish) professor said:  Ah, Doctor, everyone of your
seven lovely daughters is more beautiful than the last.

Mari Stoddard / stoddard@ccit.arizona.edu
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Date: 25 Dec 1992 17:22:13 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Walter Scott wrote:

	Heap on more wood!---the wind is chill;
	But let it whistle as it will,
	We'll keep our Christmas merry still.
	

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