From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Christians?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:35:32 GMT
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In article <66686@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:

>
>Response:
>
>Please name 'some of the Buddhist saints', especially those who were killed
>because they adhered to the doctines of Buddhism.  Thanks.

gimme a day or 2


>
>'Catholics' are now oppressive.  They have power OVER others.  'Satanists'
>do not, on the whole.  This is a CLASS issue.


hearty agreement...>


>Of course this is not what makes it a different tradition. You change the 
>issue. Resistance to oppressive authority is something shared by anyone who
>attempts to break from dogma, in science, philosophy, religion, social issues
>etc... Were the Darwinians in the Stalinist USSR members of the "martyrdom
>cult"?
>
>
>Response:
>
>There are different ways to 'break from dogma'.  'Martyrdom' has a rather
>particular meaning which I do not always feel applies to those who
>are killed BECAUSE of what they say/do.

So, what are you talking about? What makes one a member in the exclusive 
martyrdom cult? Were the darwinists in Stalinist USSR martyrs? All they had to
do to save their necks was to adhere to the Lamarkian party line...
>
>Old me:
>
>>Let me put it another way.  The Great Martyrdom Cult is DYNAMIC.  It doesn't
>>maintain the same image/label/location.  It is INSIDIOUS.  It can never be
>>destroyed because it transcends conscious identification.  It is REBELLIOUS.
>>It takes on the face of the Great Enemy and plays out the energies that
>>have been repressed by the Orthodoxy.   
>
>
>Scott:
>
>so its an intellectual abstraction on your part; note my disclaimer on these
>a few sections up; is it useful?
>
>
>Response:
>
>I could not make that judgement for others.  Is it useful to YOU?  To me it
>is.  That is enough.  I argue the case because I think the model may be
>useful to others as well.  If you can show me that this is fruitless, I'm
>inclined to desist.

Well, to be useful to me you must first define it. You talk about it, what it 
does etc.; what is the damn thin
For a concept to be useful, EVEN FOR YOURSELF
You must DEFINE IT! This reminds me of an argument I had with my (black)
roommate, who asserted that blacks could not be _racist_ but whites always
are. We argued for hours on this untill we came to the realization 
that he _redifined_ racism to fit hios needs in the argument (racism= 
institutionalized prejudice; for him)>
>ReNow this made perfect sense to _him_ , but for me It just served to piss me
 off- killing rational thought; before you  use inflammatory statements
define them!
>
>No, I don't think you understand the Cult very well.  Nobody can get 'kicked 
>out of the Cult' because the only way to escape the Cult is to DIE.  If this
>is what you mean by being 'kicked out', then I agree.  Rebels have MANY
>ways to resist oppression.  Martyrs have a particular path.
>
Well, perhaps you should explain it to me....
>
>Response:
>
>Where'd you get the idea that I valued conformity?  Read more carefully.
>It is easier not to follow the orthodox dogma and not to be a martyr.  It is
>difficult to resist until death regardless of who is watching.

So define the martyrdom cult, then we shall see where we are in disagreement
>
>
>Ol
>
>>The only way to be a Satanist is to oppose all authority other than one's
>>own.  The only variable is whether or not to take action against it.
>
>
>Scott:
>
>er- what?
>
>
>Response:
>
>I am God.  All others are worthy of consideration, but if they pose no
>threat to the equilibrium, then they are of little consequence.
>
>
>Thyagi
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>Oh all right, you're God too.  :>

more agreement...
-Scott (curious about the martyrdom cult, to which he may/may not belong)
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