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From: ST402804@brownvm.brown.edu (S.L.)
Subject: Re: INDIANS AND SEX
Organization: Brown University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:36:32 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Indians and SEX.

>"They have sex in their brains, not where it should be" (pooja bedis words)

>Now my words.

> do endorse the words in quotes. I believe Indians in general are hypocritical

>Any comments and flames very welcome


  I suppose, then, that 844 million people were "thought" up in India!!
Pooja Bedi is obviously talking through her hat, as it were.

(S.L.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: why satti is practiced
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:40:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.182226.12018@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>Once in every 2 or 3 years, a case of sati is committed in the Rajasthan 
>state of India (note that sati has never been committed anywhere else in 
>India after the law against it was passed). The rural Rajasthanis are very 
>much like the isolated tribals of the Amazon or the Congo forests who are 
>yet to come into contact with civilization. Morality as known to us is unknown 
>to them. It is impossible for the resource constrained Indian govt. to 

			<*&*> <*&*> <*&*> 

when the husband dies, women have three choices, in current
hinduism...

path 1 : remain a widow/remarryy.

path 2 : commit sati, and be worshipped.  (a psychological state
	  similar to that of those who immolated during mandal)

path 3 : immense desire to JOIN her husband.  She firmly believes
	that her H is in heaven, and she wants to be with him,
	and MOST IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE FROMPATH # 1 -- SHE FEELS
	LIFE HAS NOTHING LEFT IN IT...  Hinduism okays it...

Now, gopal ji, could you find any moral anomalities (go ahead and
use your western mentality and outlook) in the above ?  If you do,
connect them to the practise of sati.  please explain profusely...

I do not feel sati is wrong.  But if the society deifies the
sati lady, then many women may choose path # 2, or the `family'
may force her, to enhance their honour.  Now, the faults of
society shouldn't rub off on sati.  right ?

As for my own personal position, I dont think I would play raja
ram mohan roy, if its case 3 with my relatives (ofcourse I would
find out).



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


>enforce law in every nook and corner of such a vast country. By the time,
>the police reaches the village, it is too late for the victim. So far, in 
>most of the Sati cases, the parents and relatives have always been arrested
>and charged with murder.
>
>But these arrests do not make a difference to the rural Rajasthani's since 
>they simply cannot comprehend why the govt. is arresting them. They consider 
>the govt. as some sort of enemies trying to destroy their culture. However, 
>this rate of commiting sati is decreasing every decade. Statistically speaking,
>the next sati might occur after another 2 years from now. 
>
>The sad part is that the whole of India is condemned for practicing sati
>just because a very small minority manages to do it once in a while. 
>
>regards,
>Gopal Agrawal
>
>
>
>
From: rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Death of a Poet
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:29:32 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug13.165726.15147@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>>  On January 9, the house of a young Telugu poet in the old city of
>>  Hyderabad was raided by a band of communalists. They stabbed him
>>  his wife and his child. The woman died immediately, the poet on the
>>  way to the hospital. The orphaned boy is in the hospital, dangling
>>  between life and death.  Communal frenzy does not know what it claims.

>Arun, Can you please find out from any source what is the state of this
>boy and if he needs any help. Then probably we can do something usefull
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>instead of wasting time on intellectual discourse
>Arindam
>

Hello Arindam,

I can tell you about a few boys/girls who have been orpahned by
- terrorism in Kashmir,
- terrorism in Punjab,
- 1984 riots in Delhi,
- communal violence in Kerala 
- etc.

Would you spring up to help them with as much vigour as you are
doing to help this supposedly Bahai boy?

If not, then my Salaaam to your claims to universalism.
my salaaam to your claim that Bahaism is HInduism, Buddhism, Islam,
all together. . . .etc.


Bye.


---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: me@bombay (GAMe for fun)
Subject: Re: Gay Men in India ?
Reply-To: me@bombay.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:59:52 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug19.185625.16359@overload.lbl.gov> prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi  
R. Prem) writes:
> 
> 	They also referred to a magazine called "Trikon" (Triangle)which 
> 	deals with them, but I am not sure whether it is published in 
> 	India or in the Bay Area.
> 

It is published from the bay area, but has subscribers in India
as well, though these are mainly people who have been in touch with 
somebody here.

> 	I for one was quite surprised to see the program, not having
> 	known gay/lesbian activities were quite so widespread in India.
> 	I guess in a way it is a good thing, because they were planning
> 	to take a serious stand with the Indian Govt with regard to
> 	educating Indians in general about AIDS and HIV. 
> 	

They are quite widespread, though mostly undercover. As the original posting
said, there are certain areas in Bombay for example, which are well-known
'pick-up joints' -- I observed a few of these myself on a visit to Bombay
last December. However, as you point out, the threat of HIV is quite serious,
largely due to ignorance among the general public, and rather than shoving 
these issues under the carpet, as is being done currently, they need to be
addressed in the open.  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: eleea48@elroy.uh.edu (Thomas, Thomas)
Subject: Happy Independance Day
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:43:00 GMT

*****************************************************************************


  HAPPY                INDEPENDANCE                  DAY



                     August 15,1992.


                   Mera Bharat Mahaan!

******************************************************************************
From: dsr@balboa.eng.uci.edu (D.Sreenivasa Rao)
Subject: Re: On the birth of Andhra Pradesh (was Re: I HATE TAMILS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:24:40 GMT

gopal@tamsun.tamu.edu writes (in response to a previous article by 
me giving chronological listing of chief ministers of Madras state) :  

> Also Mr. Sreenivasa Rao made an error in the list of the chief ministers of
> Madras state from the period 1946-1953. It was Prakasam for 11 months from    
> 1946-1947(I forget the months)before he was defeated by a no confidence motion
> I forget again who occupied the position later(He was from Tamil Nadu).Rajaji  
> became chief Minister in 1952.
>  
> Gopal


   Yes, my apologies for the mistake. The corrected list would 
   read : 

>>>     1920 - 1923 : Subbaryalu Reddy (Justice Party)
>>>     1923 - 1926 : Natesa Mudaliar (I could be wrong here, again Justice
>>>                                    Party)
>>>     1926 - 1930 : Dr. P. Subbarayan (Justice Party) (See footnote (1))
>>>     1930 - 1935 : B. Munuswami Naidu (Justice Party)
>>>     1936 - 1937 : Maharajah of Bobbili (I forget his name, again of
>>>                                         Justice Party)
>>>     1937 - 1939 : C. Rajagopalachari (Congress) (see footnote (2))
>>>     1939 - 1946 : Governor's Rule (World war and all that)

        1946 - 1947 : T. Prakasam (Congress, less than a year)
        1947 - 1949 : O. P. Ramaswami Reddiar (Congress)
        1949 - 1951 : P. S. Kumaraswamy Raja (Congress)
        1952 - 1953 : C. Rajagopalachari (Congress)

>>>     1st October 1953 : Andhra was formed.

--sreenivas--                                              [8/20/92]
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Vivekananda
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:47:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug15.005638.8283@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes...
>..... (stuff deleted) ..... 
>If I take any other authority than Vivekananda I have to consider everything
>from Sati-daha to Caste-system as an integral part of Hinduism
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Prabhu Arindam ! Your most humble servant asks in a penitent position:

 Please spare us of your religious diatribes. You are saying that Sati-daha
 `an integral' part of Hinduism. Hey Prabhu ! What is Hinduism ? Does it reside
 underneath the surface of the sea, or in cow's urine/ excretion ? Does Hinduism
 tell that you have to go to the washroom to clean your `soul' ? Doesn't 
 Hinduism preach that Sati-daha (bride burning) is to be performed very 
 religiously and the woman will be born as a witch/ vampire in the next birth ?
 What is next birth Prabhu ? What the Hell is this *f.....* Karma Gurudev ? Is
 it like that if I drink 3 litres of cow's urine, I will be absolved of all my
 sins throughout my life ? Prabhu, what exactly are the protocols of Hinduism ?
 Your humble servant asks these questions from the Darkness of Ignorance. He 
 also asks that is Kamasutra a part of Hindusim ? Why there are sexual 
 intercourse pictures on the temples of Khajuraho - a woman copulating with a 
 horse ! I saw it Prabhu !! With my 4 eyes !!! Yes, Prabhu !!! I have the Bong
 version of Kamasutra, and, read it everynight; Prabhu, am I a sinner ? Will you
 save me Prabhu ? Did Vivekananda write answers to these stupid questions of an
 ignorant malodorous oaf like me anywhere Prabhu ? By the way Prabhu, if I feel
 `excited' what should I do Prabhu ? People tell me to find a woman ! What type
 of woman is allowed by Hinduism Prabhu ? Can I take the woman prepared for the
 Sati and enjoy her Prabhu ? Did you do these `unholy' things Guru ? Oh ! my 
 most stupid mistake ! You have renounced the world. " Colorado Times " reported
 this news 1 month ago !

>Now too bad I am converting people, isn't it.

 Prabhu, if you can satisfactorily answer my questions, I shall lick your
 ice-cream.  

>Arindam

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
From: sngattan@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Sanjay N Gattani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: why satti is practiced
Keywords: satti
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:00:56 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu

prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.035438.2679@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, vedati@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Keshavprasad Vedati  ECE-GRAD) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug11.142009.12725@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth) writes:
>> 
>> Just because I happen to be a hindu does not necessarily mean that 
>> whatever I practice constitutes a hindu practice. 
>  ^^^^^^^^

>Sure. Not everything that you practice are Hindu customs. Aren't
>somethings that you practice Hindu practices ?
  
   < stuff deleted >

>Applying the same yard stick, caste system is not a Hindu practice
>but a personal act. 
>Can you give me an example of a heinious Hindu practice ? There
>is none, because we can always say that any practice is a personal 
>act.

>> Using the same yard stick can you say having five husbands is also a 
>> hindu practice.(DRAUPADI).
>>

>I was merely trying to point out that Sati was prevalent during 
>the time of Vyasa, contrary to the other claims that were posted.
>If the practices of his time were not Hindu practices, I dont
>know what they are. 

>>                           With regards 
>>                         Vedati K.P.
>>   

>RKP

I see what you are saying is that whatever we practice as Hindus can         
be termed as Hindu practice.  Agreed.  Now, out of 650 million Hindus in
India, how many practice Sati?  From your argument it looks likes it is 
a big number for you to classify this act as Hindu practice.  Or even
if a small number in some part of India is good enough for it to be called
as Hindu practice, I guess the practice of killing a daughter at the time 
of birth (which by the way is done in many villages) also is a Hindu
practice.

sanjay
From: t9214309@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Help: Pop. of Saudi Arabia, anyone know ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:01:04 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Dear Poster , 

> Anyone know the approx. population of Saudi Arabia?
		          ^^^^^^^^^^
Good Gosh! I read the header and thought it was POP music at Saudi Arabia.
Was properly surprised !!

Sorry, Don't know the stats, I'm afraid
Nagesh 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: On the birth of Andhra Pradesh (was Re: I HATE TAMILS)
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:41:05 GMT

>In article <2A91AAD9.11489@orion.oac.uci.edu> dsr@balboa.eng.uci.edu (D.Sreenivasa Rao) writes:
>>included Andhra in their plans. Significant portion of the tamil leadership
>>harbored sentiments and put forth arguments very similar to what the 
>>British did when denying freedom to India : how can an illiterate bunch
>>of people like the Andhras rule themselves? How can they survive at all
>>without the benefit of superior tamil intellect? (2) Some of the leaders of
>>the freedom movement were shameless perpetrators of this iniquity and were 
>>virtually villains as far as the populace of Andhra was considered.


Brilliantly worded.


>>
>>[....] The birth of Andhra gave birth to the concept of linguistic
>>states, which is by far the most far-reaching step the Indian Union has 
>>taken after the British left. Naturally, there was a lot of governmental
>>propaganda that projected this very idea as "unpatriotic", "belligerent",
>>"short sighted" and "dis-establishmentarianist". Unfortunately, the leaders
>>of separate Andhra movement had to put up with a lot of such obstacles,
>>and had to contend with a powerful government machinery bent on painting a
>>wrong picture of the movement. It was easy for people to get swayed by such


People said the same all over europe and the americas, when
India broke the shackles off british imperialism, and triggered
off independence movements all over the world.

This concept of dis-establishment is in my eyes, a western concept.
The establishment is western, the protest is indian-style, the
arguments against the protest western style.  In a `asian-style'
governance, such problems wouldn't have cropped up in india.
I am always for scrapping of the constitution as it is and as it
was.


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati: prevalence since the Abolition Act
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:53:12 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In an article uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:

>so on what basis (legal) could the SC waver ? If I
>recall right, the SC does not hold moral positions,
>unless it is forced to decide one way or the other

Yes, SC does not hold moral positions, it only interprets the law. But
many a times there can be several different interpretations of the law
(or how else could one explain the division among the bench).
Many times, when there is doubt, justices waver to overrule the current
interpretations. Continuity is considered important, if there are no
strong reasons to overturn the status quo.

-dheeraj

PS: Actually, Supreme Court has indeed flip-flopped on some issues.
    Scholars fault the system of appointing SC justices for this. Usually,
    a person is appointed to SC when s/he has only a decade or so left
    before retirement. Worse, the Chief Justice is usually by seniority and
    his retirement age is same as other justices. This causes the situation
    in which some CJs last for less than a month at the top.
-- 
Dheeraj Sanghi			(h):301-474-3592	(o):301-405-2723
Internet: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu	UUCP: uunet!mimsy!dheeraj
I asked a Burmese why women, after centuries of following their men, now walk
ahead. He said there were many unexploded land mines since the war. - Mueller
From: mann@dlorsc.enet.dec.com (Jessie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: What is the Latest on Justice Bains?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: mann@dlorsc.enet.dec.com (Jessie Mann)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Is there any news on Justice Ajit Singh Bains?

Jessie
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: WHAT IS LOVE?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 13:46:51 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <20752@optima.cs.arizona.edu> srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
>When you try to log into your loved ones account by guessing her password,
>				^^^^(i know i ought not to be using the word
>					love in defining love, but tis a joke)
>thinking it to be a anagram of ur name and suppose the guy has a motto like
>"NEVER GIVE IN", we end up with a lovely death!
>
>Actually this becomes height of boredom, when the person whose a/c u r trying 
>to break into is not loved by u!



If you love someone, no mountain is high;
But if you don't, go swim in the ocean.
                               - who knows

Try and try again, maybe the next time you will be lucky :-).

Arathi.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: asokan@lgc.com (Asokan Manohar)
Subject: EXTENDING MOTHER'S STAY...
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:00:02 GMT

Hello folks:
	My mother is visiting me in usa on a tourist visa. She has five year multiple entry visa. At the port of entry she was given a visa for six months; we got this extended for another six months. We would like to extend for another six months & the following are our options.
	(i) Apply for another extension
	(ii) Cross border into Mexico/Canada & return back for a new visa. 
		 As she has 5 year multiple entry visa, can her return entry be denied ?
	(iii) Do (i); if it is rejected, do (ii)

	I am sure some of you must have run into situation like this. Any suggestion on how to handle this ?
	Thanks

	Asokan
	asokan@lgc.com
From: scsd1553@altair.selu.edu (Ravi Kallianpur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: U.S. Consulate in Bombay -tele/fax number needed
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:28:11 -0600
Reply-To: RAVI@SELU.EDU
Organization: C.I.S.S., Southeastern La. University

Hi,

	I would like to get in touch with the Visa section at the U.S.
Consulate in Bombay; could someone provide me with a telephone and/or fax
number for those guys out there?  Or any info on where I could get these
numbers from?

	Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

 
       __________________________________________________                      
        Ravi Kallianpur	       		                                       
        Faculty Consultant ,Southeastern Louisiana Univ.  
        BITNET :    ravi@slu    Internet :  ravi@selu.edu
From: g9204555@cc.uow.edu.au (rajiv misra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SOC.CULTURE.BHILAI
Summary: Bhilai
Keywords: Bhilai
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:02:49 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong



Dear Bhils:

Fill your meals.

Seal your wills.

Kill your pills

And bill your ills.


Hello Again Bhilains:

Why shouldn't we make a news group of Bhilai As
The
Keralians and Tamilians have made.
 
Because 
We are equally successful ratio wise outside India.

Reply Reply.
Soon Reply.

Ghattis and Gujjus are also trying for their group.

We would be the first to make a group of city.

When people have started the state group then why not we make 

a beautiful city group.

Wishing all success for Bhilains.

A Bhil.
From: myadav@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Mahesh Yadav)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NEWS(old):Indian actors in UAE face death rap
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:26:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Here is the news from Times of India. It gives a little more
details than the previous news from newsgroup misc.news.southasia.

	I think we must protest this. Can anybody suggest a method? I
mean, to whom can we write letters and how can we get the address of
those places. Also does any body have any experiences in writing such
protest letters? Please write. 	Thanks 		Mahesh Yadav
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		INDIAN ACTORS IN UAE FACE DEATH RAP
		===================================
Times of India, Aug,12,1992

 Abu Dhabi, aug,11(AFP).

	A group of 11 Indian actors could face a possible death sentence after
being arrested in United Arab Emirates(UAE) for allegedly insulting Islam, a
Muslim cleric has warned.

	The actors, some of whom live in UAE, stagged the play in the UAE 
emirate of  Sharjah in May and it triggered a public furore that the 
participants offended Jesus and Islam 's Prophet Mohammed.

	"We have received scores of calls expressing dismay at the play. The
 actors have been arrested", a police official told AFP.

	Entiled "ants feast on corpses", the play opens with three corpses
lying on the stage. A villager asks if he can eat on of the corpses, which
scholars who saw the videotape said represented Prophet Mohammed. The other
corpses were Jesus Christ and Karl Marx.

	The actors were arrested in June and had been due to go on trial last
week. However, the case has been adjourned until September.

	The UAE and other Gulf states are among the most conservative Muslim
countries but it was not clear what punishment those actors would get if they
are found guilty. A local Muslim cleric said they could face death.

	"The court is looking into their case and its complications", Sheikh
Mohammed Abdul Razzak told the UAE magzine Al-Islah. "The sentence could be 
death if they were found to have insulted the Prophet on purpose".

	"It is another Satanic verses",Al-Islah said, in a reference to the 
British author Salman Rusdie's book that led to the late Iranian spritual
leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini ordering the Indian born writer's death.

	Court sources said the actors had denied permission by Sarjah
authorities to stage the play, which was also rejected by Kerala. But they
went ahead with their plans and staged it on May,28 before a large audience
of Indians, including Muslims and Christians, they added.

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