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From: bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador)
Subject: Re: Will Malaysia be DEVELOPED? NO
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:40:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.034059.4977@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <MUNTUCK.93Jan10042118@bombay.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, muntuck@bombay.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (MunTuck Yap) writes:
>> 
>> Will Malaysia be saved from wholesale pollution from this rush to 
>> industrialization? 
>
>	I hope so.  Someone mentioned in another newsgroup that a think tank
>came up with a 4 page report basically saying that if we don't mend our ways,
>within 10 years (at current growth) the pollution will be so bad that it will
	[deleted]
	The only way, IMHO, for pollution due to industrialization to cease
is for the "developed" nations to curb their consumer greed. If there is
not so much demand for artificial goods ie petroleum based products then
things like natural rubber will get used. Natural rubber at least 
comes from trees, not from oil that could spill into oceans (REF -Exxon,
Shetland Island disasters)  
	But then, that's the ideal world. We could try using more green
products though, start recyling etc. But then there is no commercial
incentive in Malaysia and definetely no strong initiative from the
government.(REF: World Enviromental Summit , Brazil 92)

Being overseas and that, we could all start good new habits though ei? 

	[deleted]
>> Are there environment groups in Malaysia?
>
>	*nod*  That Utusan Konsumer in Penang.  And a couple of others.  But I
>find that sometimes Utusan Konsumer don't tell the whole truth... (or the
>writers weren't aware of the facts).

	SAM - Sahabat Alam Malaysia. By the way anyone knows/can find out
the addresss?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: s4805016@mail.ncku.edu.tw (patrick)
Subject: Malaysian Food Introduce.
Organization: National Cheng Kung University, Tainan, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:54:17 GMT

hi all netter,
  we the Malaysian Students Asso. in National Cheng Kung University
,Taiwan will hold a 'Malaysian food fair' to introduce m'sian food to
local student.
 1) i would like to open this space to all those concern in Malaysian
local food to talk about the type of malaysian food,which can reflex the
spirit of M'sia.,such as satay,nasi lemak,roti canai,mee goreng.....etc.
 2)i would like to know where can i get the recipe of those M'sian food.
 3)where can i get the free catalog,video tape,...etc that introduce
M'sia. besides of getting from TDC.?
 i will return M'sia for vacation from late Jan. to mid Feb.,so the
place in M'sia to get those thing i mentioned above is appreciated too.
  the response can send here or to e_mail add. below.

Best Of	All !
******************************************************************************
Name :Ng Tien Seong,Patrick	    Environmental Enggineering Department
      O		            E_mail :patrick@snoopy.ncku.edu.tw
				            s4805016@mail.ncku.edu.tw
P.O.Box	7-240,Tainan,Taiwan,ROC.
Phone:(06)2757575-51802.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: muntuck@bombay.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (MunTuck Yap)
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE !!!
Reply-To: muntuck.yap@columbiaSC.NCR.COM
In-reply-to: tedjakus3675@iscsvax.uni.edu's message of 12 Jan 93 01:31:39 -0600
Organization: CCSD - Somewhere in AT&T
	<1993Jan12.013139.9778@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:02:36


  I remember reading somewhere that more than 50 percent of the agricultural
  workers in Malaysia are Indonesian (legal and illegal). If we decide to send
  them back, the agricultural industry will go into a series of shocks.

  While I was in Johore Baru, I heard a lot of stories of Indonesians robbing
  people, and had a friend who held out until the police arrived. 

  Other than the Indonesians, there are Philipinos who are working as maids
  or housekeepers in Malaysia, and they make up close to about 60 percent of
  the housekeeper population. Apparently obtaining legal working permits for
   these Philipinos are not that difficult and there are agencies specializing
  in them.

  Generally speaking, most of these Indonesian and Philipino workers are
  hard working and law-abiding. However, there are those that could not
  understand why they had so little when the Malaysians around them are
  floundering in wealth and material possessions.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:42:59 GMT

Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman (rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 
: 	I am pretty much indifferent to the turmoil happening in s.c.a
: 	for the past coupla months.
: 
: 	Although I neither speak for or against Othman Ahmad, I do
: 	believe in personal privacy.

I'm an open person. I will tell as much about myself as is legally possible.
In fact all information in the profile is public. And I've told in this
group in rather cryptic ways all information about myself even about my age
and salary. Although I'm not supposed to tell about my salary(against 
my employers' policy, the same with all employers except the government).

: 
: 	Regardless of what was, will, or has been, exchanged between
: 	everyone else and Othman, Othman has every right to choose
: 	what to do with his time. Whether he earns an honest income or
: 	not, or whether he eats, drinks, sleeps or not, is his
: 	business and that of his superiors. Not yours, ours, or even
: 	his wife's concern.

Not always true but a lecturer/researcher has more freedom with his time,
especially a lecturer. We are given more freedom to choose the topic of
research unlike in industry.

: 
: 	There is no need to publicly hark about his qualifications or
: 	other somewhat private info to an audience across the globe.
: 	It is no more irrelevent to s.c.a than the insults that are 

Maybe it is relevant? Anyone wants to know more about my qualification? 
But then I've told all if you are intelligent enough to find out from my
postings.

Maybe for the idiots I should say more directly.

Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: Star Trek in SEA
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:28:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.145234.10159@bmers95.bnr.ca>, khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:
|> In article <WLIM.93Jan9181749@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu>, wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Anyway for those of you who are outside the US (Canada too?) and
|> |> particularly in SEA, ST:DS9 is worth watching.  Has it been shown on
|> |> any TV station outside the US (and Canada?) yet?  What is currently
|> 
|> For sure Canada is right behind you guys.  People will start investing
|> satellite dishes to pick up US broadcast if we do not have it here :).
|>  
|> In Southern Ontario, ST:DSN premier was shown ~10days ago.  And will
|> be on regular starting this Friday. ST:TNG continues in it's regular
|> timelsot on Saturday.
|> 
|> ...Kyle

When I was in Singapore last October, I caught a couple of episodes
of STTNG. Dr Pulaski was on the show so it must be the second season.
We are currently watching the 6th season here in North America. There
are probably another couple of seasons left for STTNG. 
Right now, Babylon 5 is only a 2 hour movie. No word whether a series
will be made. If so, it would probably start in Fall '93.

For more info, read rec.arts.startrek.currrent 
-- 

Tarun Kripalani 
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: roland@cs.monash.edu.au (Roland Yap)
Subject: Re: Malaysian Food Introduce.
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:29:51 GMT

s4805016@mail.ncku.edu.tw (patrick) writes:

>hi all netter,
>  we the Malaysian Students Asso. in National Cheng Kung University
>,Taiwan will hold a 'Malaysian food fair' to introduce m'sian food to
>local student.
> 1) i would like to open this space to all those concern in Malaysian
>local food to talk about the type of malaysian food,which can reflex the
>spirit of M'sia.,such as satay,nasi lemak,roti canai,mee goreng.....etc.
> 2)i would like to know where can i get the recipe of those M'sian food.

One cookbook which I quite like is "The Complete Asian Cookbook"
by Charmaine Solomon, Lansdowne Press. There is also a new edition
of this book out. It contains recipes from
quite a number of Asian countries including of course Malaysia and Singapore.
If you are going back there are quite a number of Malaysian cookbooks
available, but I don't know which ones are good.
Anybody know any good ones?

Roland

----------------------------
Roland Yap                          Email: roland@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au
Department of Computer Science      Phone: +61 3 565 5186
Monash University                   Fax: +61 3 565 5146
Clayton
Vic 3168
Australia

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: etan@fraser.sfu.ca (Eugene Hou Sin Tan)
Subject: Malaysia Singapore Associations
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:06:51 GMT

Hi there!
        This is a repost of my message a couple of weeks ago. I am 
inquiring the names of people and addresses of any Malaysia or 
Singapore Associations in the Washington, BC, Alberta or Oregon 
area. Please, please please please please somebody write me about 
it ok? We are holding a regional meet probably on the 6th of March 
and would like to know if people from other clubs would be 
interested in participating. It will be lots of fun! Please write 
me at etan@sfu.ca. Thanks a million!
 
 
Eugene Tan
President
Malaysia Singapore Students' Club
Simon Fraser University
From: muntuck@bombay.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (MunTuck Yap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Will Malaysia be DEVELOPED? NO
Date: 10 Jan 93 09:21:18 GMT
Reply-To: muntuck.yap@columbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: CCSD - Somewhere in AT&T
In-reply-to: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg's message of Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:21:55 GMT


Will Malaysia be saved from wholesale pollution from this rush to 
industrialization? 

I had a conversation with about two or three people
from Penang, and they were complaining bitterly on the pollution of
the beaches by industrial waste. Things were so bad, that nobody in
their right mind would go swimming in those beaches. There were talk
and counter-talk in the newspapers but no action.

Are there environment groups in Malaysia?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: VAlue of money
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:27:53 GMT

I bring this topic forward becuase of contrasting economic policies of
various nations.
	For those who may be interested to study more, please read the
articles in Fortune concerning the german central bank.
	During the last election in Malaysia the government defends its policy
of devaluing Malaysian ringgit and they won the election. The argument brought
forward was that it will cost billions to maintain the value of the ringgit.

It strikes me as though the billions actually come from my savings. It is a
licence to steal/tax people's money efficiently. But is it fair to the majority?

Those who borrow a lot will gain during a devaluation because property prices
remain high after all physical objects and imports will be priced realistically.

Singapore has chosen the strenghtening of its currency. the same with Germany.
Britain tried to do it but it is too expensive for them becuase it has too much
government deficit.

The ringgit starts to drop again in liew of the current royalty battle. Could it
be the government spending money campaining?

I can bet that during election time, the ringgit will drop in value again,
with the government printing more money.
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:33:33 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1993Jan8.160359.62559@cc.usu.edu>, fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
|>      I think you are confused unemployment with welfare.  You will receive
|> unemployment benefit within a certain amount of time (36 wks, I think).  After
|> that, you are on your own.   If your unemployment benefits run out, then you may
|> go on welfare which I believe has not time limit.

You're correct.  Sorry about the error.


|>      I do not understand why some people oppose to unemployment benefits. The
|> benefits not only is beneficial to the recipent who just got lay off and needs
|> something to hang on to while searching for another job, it also is beneficial
|> to the economy as a whole.  If we do not have unemployment benefit, the 82 and
|> 90 recession would be a depression.

I am opposed to most forms of common pools.  It can be easily abused
either by the recipients or by the people who manage it.  There is no
clear accountability.  I'm more inclined towards the CPF scheme, where
what you put in is yours - no more, no less.  Hon. Othman did suggest
(I think) of allowing CPF to be withdrawn in event of job loss.  It'll
need refinement but I prefer that idea to the UI schemes in North Am.
 
...Kyle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: jlooi@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Julie Ooi)
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE !!!
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:54:21 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.141833.631@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, thtee@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

>> 	In addition, just look at what those illegal workers have done to 
>> our society. They become robber, killer, theif, and involve in all kinds of
>> crimes. Why we still want to keep them in our lands ? Just because there are
>> Muslim or because they are cheapper worker ? 

What TEE is actually implying is that all Malaysians who are illegal immigrants
are also "robbers, killers, thieves, etc." and because they are "cheaper
workers", they do not contribute to the societies of the countries where they
illegally work.  Therefore, they should be thrown out of those countries.

What sort of unwarranted generalisation is this?  Just because a few illegal
immigrants commit a crime, does everyone else in the same boat deserve the bad
reputation too?  Does TEE mean that if I became an illegal immigrant in another
country, I'd immediately turn to a life of crime?  I'm scandalised at the
thought!


>> 	PLEASE WAKE UP ALL MALAYSIANS !!! TELL OUR GOVERNMENT WE DO NOT WANT
>> THOSE ILLEGAL WORKERS ANY MORE. FOR YOUR OWN ADVANTAGES, OUR SOCIETY, AND OUR
>> LAND, PLEASE KICK THEM OUT.

Let's all be selfish - throw out all illegal immigrants, refuse all refugees,
every country for herself!  Just imagine - the Muslems and the Serbs are left
to fight it out in Bosnia without any external aid for the starving residents
trapped there.  The famined Somalis are left to starve because nobody bothers to
get any food to them.  Kuwait would still be under the Iraqi control.

By all means, throw out those immigrants who commit crimes.  But for those who
don't, how can we help them?  How can they help us?  Perhaps this is something
everyone on the Net can discuss...
 
>> TEE 
>> BY ANGER.
Selfishness is more appropriate.


Julie Ooi.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: VAlue of money
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:47:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.042753.14116@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
>I bring this topic forward becuase of contrasting economic policies of
>various nations.
>	For those who may be interested to study more, please read the
>articles in Fortune concerning the german central bank.
>	During the last election in Malaysia the government defends its policy
>of devaluing Malaysian ringgit and they won the election. The argument brought
>forward was that it will cost billions to maintain the value of the ringgit.
>
>It strikes me as though the billions actually come from my savings. It is a

	Ahh, so you senyap2 for a while kumpul duit lah, Pak Othman? Would
you enlighten us as to how a pathetic computer programmer like you can
amass "billions"?


>licence to steal/tax people's money efficiently. But is it fair to the majority?
>
>Those who borrow a lot will gain during a devaluation because property prices
>remain high after all physical objects and imports will be priced realistically.
>
>Singapore has chosen the strenghtening of its currency. the same with Germany.
>Britain tried to do it but it is too expensive for them becuase it has too much
>government deficit.
>
>The ringgit starts to drop again in liew of the current royalty battle. Could it
>be the government spending money campaining?
>
>I can bet that during election time, the ringgit will drop in value again,
>with the government printing more money.
>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asean:8899 soc.culture.asian.american:11322 soc.culture.australian:5303
From: ckyang@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Chien Kok Yang)
Subject: Help needed for a visiting Singaporean
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:20:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ckyang@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Chien Kok Yang)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

Re : Help needed for a visiting Singaporean

Hi

	My name is Chien Yang and I have a friend who is coming
down to a few places in US for interviews. His main destination
are Univ. of Wisconsin at Madison, Rochester - Mayo Clinic and
Univ. of Washington at Seattle. He will be glad if there is any
students from the above universities who can help him around, 
particularly in giving him a ride from the airport. 
	For your information, his purpose is to attend the interviews
required for traineeships in pyschiatry.

	Thanks in Advance.


						Chien
						email address:
						ckyang@herky.cs.uiowa.edu
From: wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: List of Overseas Malaysian Restaurants
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:52:41
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu

		List of Overseas Malaysian Restaurants
		======================================
				   
[ Created by Willie Lim (wlim@ai.mit.edu), Sun Jan 10 20:45:24 1993
  Please send corrections and additions to wlim@ai.mit.edu. ]

El Monte (Los Angeles), USA
Little Malaysia
Penang Dishes, as it is run by Penang people
El Monte is by I-605.  Phone Book/Directory Asst.
From: Hiok-Tiaq Ng <htng@aries.ece.cmu.edu>

London, UK
Nancy Lam's Enak-Enak
Great rendang, homemade ice cream.
From: Willie Lim <wlim@ai.mit.edu>

New York, USA
Heng Heng
On Canal Street one block up from Kinta Restaurant.
From: Willie Lim <wlim@ai.mit.edu>

New York, USA
Kinta Restaurant
On Canal Street at the meeting point of Canal, East Broadway, Rutgers
and Essex.  East Broadway station on the F line (subway).
Great curry noddle (mee and/or meehoon) with yong tow foo (stuffed tofu,
eggplant, hot peppers)
From: Willie Lim <wlim@ai.mit.edu>

New York, USA
Wan Chai Kok
Has Taugeh Chicken.
On East Broadway, 1-2 blocks from Kinta Restaurant and opposite a NYC
library branch.
From: Willie Lim <wlim@ai.mit.edu>

Ottawa, Canada
Chahaya Malaysia
Excellent (HOT :->) beef rendang, pretty good tom yum soup, satay
Bank Street (can't remember the exact address).  It's listed in the
Ottawa phone book.
From: BALAKRISHNAN <r344@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>

Pasadena (Los Angeles), USA
Kuala Lumpur
KL dishes, quite expensive
In old town Pasadena
From: Hiok-Tiaq Ng <htng@aries.ece.cmu.edu>

San Gabriel/Alhambra (Los Angeles), USA
........Mas  (Forgot the first word in the name)
KL dishes, standard prices
It is on Main St near the border between 
Alhambra and San Gabriel I believe.
From: Hiok-Tiaq Ng <htng@aries.ece.cmu.edu>

Squirrel Hill (Pittsburgh), USA
Oriental Balcony
Has a few M'sian and Burmese dishes,
never tried them yet. Not strictly M'sian
On Forbes Avenue in Squirrel Hill
From: Hiok-Tiaq Ng <htng@aries.ece.cmu.edu>

Vancouver, Canada
no idea of name
Supposed to be just south of Granville Bridge
after Downtown Vancouver on Granville Street
and I believe it is on the route to the airport from 
Downtown.  Never tried the place.
From: Hiok-Tiaq Ng <htng@aries.ece.cmu.edu>




Willie

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# Divide and Conquer: In Somalia, it was pitting the clans against each #
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#   The sad thing is that there will be willing suckers in Malaysia     #
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: Herbie Husker (herbie@go.big.red)
Subject: Re: Why so quiet?
Organization: Kings of Kings Inc. (Who Want to know?)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:20:26 GMT

othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:

>After not typing for 1 full month I feel a little bit uneasy and slow so do
>not like to talk too much.

>Why not much cotroversial topics although there are a lot of new developments
>in Malaysia?

-----------

Arrrhhh......  he's alive.........

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.stupidity
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: Facts do not exist...
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:44:17 GMT

brett mcinnes (matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
: : othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg  writes in soc.culture.asean
: : : 
: : : Facts need not be 100% accurate because there is no such thing.
: : : At least we can say observations/ rumours as potential sources of facts.
: : : To support an argument with facts( provided they are honestly quoted) is
: : : better than just come to a conclusion, like the Malaysian chinese who
: : : feel that they are 2nd class citizens without even quoting facts.
: : : 	Even though the facts are not reliable, just quote them so that 
: : : some other people can challenge them just like what I did.
: : : 
: "Facts need not be 100% accurate....."
: This should be the motto of the entire INTERNET. A true classic.


Strange that you do not even contribute any observations! Are you still waiting
for the 100% accurate and verified facts? Maybe you should read only journals,
but how come there are so many reviewers and mistakes in published journals?

Maybe you trust your newspapers 100%?
Or is it your view that using common sense is a Joke?

Or should usenet use your style instead? 
Statements like "A true classic", devoid of any common sense, observation,
or even relevance.

Do you do that because you are still waiting for that 100% facts?
--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet