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From: loch@Autodesk.COM (Eugene Loch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Language Tapes
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:35:13 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

I am looking for a set of self-study English language tapes (audio or
video).  It's for an elderly woman who speaks both Mandarin and
Cantonese, and had basic English education.  She would like to brush up
on the vocabulary and conversational skills, and prefer the instruction
in Chinese.

I would be very grateful if you can make a good recommendation.  Please
direct all suggestions to me via Email and I will gather and
re-distribute.

Thanks in advance.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9123 rec.arts.sf.movies:5918
From: poon@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

In article <Brr6s7.L0x@watcgl.waterloo.edu> lhclin@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Louis Lin) writes:

[Deleted]
>Since science fiction are not science anyway, it will be asking to much
>for a science fiction writing to know what a black hole is.  I guess
>science fiction writers only needs to have a blurr idea of a theory in
>science, and make (reasonable) speculation on it in order to write a novel.
>In case of Ail Hon, I think his problem is more with repetitive story line
>than unreasonable speculation.

But I think at least the contents of a SF should not contradict with what 
common sense tells us.  And I think some of Ail Hon's stories do that.

>PS. I do not know what exactly a black hole is.  But I guess that is okay,
>    since neither do our top physicists.

Any good SF solely about Black Hole?

Have fun!!!

									Poon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: u9030062@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Ronald Ku)
Subject: Computer Second Hand Market?
Originator: u9030062@golum.riv.csu.edu.au
Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:07:16 GMT

Dear Netters,

	I am going to come back to Hong Kong very soon. And I am looking
for any second-hand shops or markets for computer transaction.

	If anyone have any idea, please let me know.

	Thanks in advance!
 

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From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:43:11 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <29JUL199212511990@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> leungk@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (The Wandering Hermit) writes:
>
>Well, there is no question that COBOL is a brain dead langugae. But is SQL
>really that bad? I don't think you can find a computer language/database 
>query language that is free of problem. And SQL does do its job right with
>relational database. Of course, then you can argue relational database
>is stupid and should not be used at all :)
>

I agree with you that no database language is perfect, but the choice of
SQL for relational database is more or less arbitrary.  Yes, SQL gets the
job done, but not very effectively.  SQL suffers especially in the area of
user interface.  Take an example:

select name
from   employee
where  employee.department = "shoes"

If nothing comes up.  [Standard] SQL has no way to tell whether there is no
employee in the shoes department or there is just no "shoes department".

I don't like relational databases.  They don't keep track of my pop stars gifs
well ;).

(I am not following this up anymore, this is off topics too much)

>Simon, The Hermit

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From: u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: telnet to CPHK?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:39:47 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

Anyone know how can I telnet to CPHK?
I have a friend who studied in CPHK
and he has a vax account, I can send 
mail to him use the internet address
cphkvx.cphk.hk, but I can't login to 
my friends account using telnet

anyone know what's the problem?

thanks in advance

Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9251 soc.culture.asian.american:7151
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: A hot market (was: History of family name)
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:33:29
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
	<1992Jul26.135458.9673@jho.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: passion.think.com
In-reply-to: john@jho.com's message of 26 Jul 92 13:54:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.135458.9673@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:

>    P.S. After the new Census in 1990, the Asian American has became a
> 	   very hot market to marketers.  AT&T, MCI and United
> 	   Airlines, etc. are spending big bucks to advertize in the
> 	   Asian market.

  Why is it suddenly a hot market?  Didn't anyone know how many AA's
there were before the 1990 census?

  The other day I did notice an AT&T commercial showing a couple of AA
women talking (no AA men, of course) mixed in with the various clips.
It did not seem to be a commercial about international rates, either
(a few years ago, they ran some commercials showing people speaking in
Chinese, as well as many other languages, for some international rates
of theirs).
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From: taoc@tucker.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Help ! N Y Giants fan looking for "air" time in HK !
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:47:32 GMT
Reply-To: taoc@tucker.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao)

In article <6130069@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun
Chan) writes:
|>
|>American football (sorry, but you know, in UK and HK, football means
different
|>sport) has never been a popular sport in HK. I don't think TV would have
|>any show of it, even super bowl, may be a few shoots. Have you seen the
|>world cup or Eurpean cup in US national stations? Same things happen.
|>
|>Yuk

Just a few facts.  Although American football is unpopular among the
Hong Kongers,
TVB Pearl Channel do have regular coverage on NFL (National Football
League) games
being boardcasted by CBS.  They are excerpts from recordings, of course.
ATV International Channel also boardcast some big games (like San Fran. Vs. New
York Giants) occasionally.

Chances of getting NFL games coverage on satellite TV is half and half.  Try.

*****

To Yuk:  (1) TVB Pearl Channel boardcast NFL Super Bowl games annually. 
The 1st
             show is live from satellite (LIVE GAMES!) and is not published in
             the TV guides (but if you know when will the game begin in
US, just
             turn on the TV around that time).  The 2nd show, which is
published
             in TV guides and is edited (but still complete coverage), usually
             air on the evening of the 1st show (which is air in the morning).

         (2) US do have comprehensive coverage on World Cup.  However, the 
             shows only appear on Cable TV or Pay-per-view Cable TV.  So
most of
             us in US do not even know there is coverage!

             In the last World Cup, the coverage is not successful, so
the cable
             TV company may not do it again next time...

GO SAN FRAN. 49ers!  GO BEAT THE NY GIANTS!

- Chi
 
                    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chung@dorothy.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Chung)
Subject: Re: How many ways can you spell it?
Keywords: last name
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:39:10 GMT


>Is Cheung = Chen?
>I thought Chan = Chen.
>And there are others:
>Wong = Wang = Hwang
>Li = Lee
>Ng = Wu = Eng --- This one always baffles me why so many westerners couldn't
>                  say "NG" the way it's suppose too. Anyone knows why?
>                  "Eng" is really the wrong spelling/pronunciation.
>
>-- Vince
>

and don't forget Chung = Zhong

--
michael..
From: lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL was:(Electronics/videogame .....)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:02:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Jul29.205137.17529@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Heung Wing          Chat           ) writes:
>
>    If U are looking from the programming level, U will find PC is more flexible.
>    A typical machine like Mac plus, OS is stored in ROM, there is no way U could
>    change your machine's OS to other OS(like UNIX or MINIX). In PC(or others),
>    U may.
>    Moreover, Mac's interrupt handler is so good that U don't know where is the
>    problem. When your program got a problem(like page fault or ???), a very
>    nice dialog box will prompt U to restart. And U will never know it is
>    because your program find a page fault and .....
>
>

This clearly is written by some one who have never programmed the Mac and
does not know much about the Mac.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>mkcman@napier.waterloo.edu (Marcus Man) /  4:32 pm  Jul 27, 1992 /
>Hi,
>
>        I don't think they have any "LIVE" event for pro football in HK,
>the only coverage is the super bowl final and that is all. Try the satellite TV,may be t hey have it. Don't worry if they don't have it. You will find many
>other sports there. I know that they have baseball on satellite TV. But it 
>is not major league, it is NCAA baseball, no good!!!
>
>Marcus Man
>U  of  Waterloo
>Canada

>----------

American football (sorry, but you know, in UK and HK, football means different
sport) has never been a popular sport in HK. I don't think TV would have
any show of it, even super bowl, may be a few shoots. Have you seen the
world cup or Eurpean cup in US national stations? Same things happen.

Yuk
From: n34bb@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Lucas Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Democrat won in legisgative council
Date: 26 Jul 92 10:47:00 GMT


In article <6130066@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> you write:
|> A motion submitted by the Democrats for the election in the legislative in
|> 1995 has been passed. In the second last day of the legisative council
|> meeting, the co-op resource centre domanated committee submitted a motion
|> to the council to "acknowledge a report from the committee that a method
|> of multi-seats, single vote in the coming legislative council election
|> in 1995". An amendment submitted by a Democrat (Mec Li Kwok - I don't know
|> his name in English) proposing a system of single-seat, single vote. After
|> 13 hours of debate. The Democrats won it. During the debate, over one
|> thousand people, inlcudes both side, demonstrated outside the council 
|> building.

Some demonstrated against a more democratic system??

LC

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Airport talks
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:18:32 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

From China & HK News:  

> Britain told to stop "bullying" on airport
> ==========================================
> 
> By DOREEN CHEUNG and FANNY WONG
> 
> ...
> It came amid an escalated campaign in Hongkong attacking the Chief
> Secretary, Sir David Ford, for revealing confidential information
> relating to the airport talks. 

Does anybody know exactly what confidential info. is leaked by Ford
that makes CCP so agitated?

Steven
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: More Infn about UW-Madison
From: hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Heung Wing          Chat           )
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:30:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <1992Jul27.204230.19641@lsil.com> stephen@lsil.com (Stephen Lee 8941) writes:

>I don't want to go into the stupid discussion of whichis the best school again.
>But I think making an important decision based on a number, which happens
>to change every year, doesn't make so much sense. An "economic" MBA doesn't
>mean it produces quality people, guarantees a high pay job (assuming that's
>what an MBA is for :)), offers the courses and degrees that one wants to
>acquire. Also, what if someone gets a fellowship from a lower rank school? 

    Well, I didn't say ranking mean everything!!
    But U cannot deny the fact that the employer will most likely
    (I say, most likely, 'cause it is not necessary to be true)
    employ a guy graduate from a famous school.
    Imagine if U are the employer, U will pick the guy who got an MBA from Havard
    or pick a guy who got an MBA from UW?? (provided they are both fresh grad)

    Moreover, the performance of MBA grad is also consider when US news
    rank the schools. SO it does mean those schools are most likely(again,
    not necessary to be true) to produce good quality students and the firms
    will most likely to employ the guys graduate from those school.

    I do agree UW-Madison is a good school 'cause I am also a
    UW-Madison alumni. :)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Ronald Chat
    Computer Science, U of Auckland
    hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

	"NZ is not a state of OZ"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: China Growth Rate (was: HKG Growth Rate)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:11:10 GMT

Article extracted from soc.culture.taiwan:

From: ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan

" Yes, it WAS true a few years ago, when some American companies got
their bubbles of a huge market busted.  However, after just a few
years of economic reform, when the government let people/enterprise
make money (before that, `making money' is forbidden in Mainland),
the people in Mainland get much richer than before --- just the first
half of this year, the personal bank deposit in Mainland has increased
by about RMB$230 billion (US$41 billion),  while total personal bank
deposit accumulated up to 1984 was less than RMB$100 billion --- this
means people now can save several times more money in one year than
all they has saved in 30+ years before (well, the inflation might play
a role here, but is minimum to foreign companies since the exchange
rate has been relatively constant and U.S. has accused PROC of setting
RMB exchange rate too low to encourage export).

Mainland's economy is growing at 10% in the 1st half of this year.  In
Shanghai, it's 21% (!) and Canton 25% (!!!).  With populations of about
12 millions and 60 millions, these two place could catch up with the
so-called ` Four Little Dragons' in the near future (10-20 years?).
Their purchasing powers will not be ignored by anyone. "

-- 
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account.  The alien is from the planet Pluto which has no atmosphere, and
hardly any sunlight; and that's why he is hacking Earth.  I'm a victim!!!
Alien said to me, "Lighten up, I promised I won't do a 'rm -rf *'!!!!" :)
From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: GIFS of Asian Models
Date: 31 Jul 1992 16:16:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

Could anyone e-mail me any ftp sites that have gifs of Asian female models
preferably Chinese? I am also interested in gifs of Asian female personalities
such as actresses and singers.
If you have any information, please e-mail to jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Any correspondence will be kept in secrecy.

Thanks in advance,
Joe
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From: ravi@vfl29ec.bull.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Job in Hong Kong
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:25:35 GMT
Reply-To: ravi@vfl29ec.bull.fr ()

Hi Netters,
        I am an Indian currently working as a Contract Software Engineer at BULL
 S.A , France for the past 30 months. I am looking to find a job in hongkong.
        Could someone help me out with a list of companies who might
        employ Indians on a contract / permanent basis.
        Kindly send a mail to ravi@s938.frec.bull.
        Thanking you in advance

        - Ravirajan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man)
Subject: Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:13:41 GMT

In article <LAUB.92Jul29202803@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
>I wonder how the post grad. CS foreign students from Hong Kong feel
>when they have to return to Hong Kong after their study.
>
>Anyone in that category cares to speak his/her mind?

I am one in this category. It's really a contradicting issue. I've been
working for two years in HK as a programmer since I graduated from the
Chinese University before I came to US. I see no hope when I'm working in
HK, writing application programs (and for a brief period of time maintaining a 
private network) for a large bank. Anyone from any discipline can do the
job, and in fact some of my "successful" collegues are not CS major. For
some time, I feel that it is more useful for the job to know accounting than
to know any CS topics. No one on the job will bother how the compiler works
or what kind of architecture a machine belongs to (anyway, all of them are
single processor machine), but you will have difficulty in understanding
the user requirement if you know nothing about accounting.

But as I don't like the life in US, and my family is in Hong Kong, I'll 
go back after having my master degree here. To face the once-unsatisfactory
environment, there must be some change of attitude. The following methods are
useful: 

1. Told myself that as China continues her open policy in economy, she
will develop high end computer technology and there will be interesting 
job to do. (But don't ask why they will pay high salary to employ HKer). 

2. Told myself that writing application programs in RPG (something even worse
than COBOL) is not that bad - anyway I'm getting things done (To be able to
"defeat the yesterday's mine" will be a necessary survival technique later).

3. Told myself that I'll lose interest in CS after several years dealing
with programs (luckily, by the time, I'll in management position and never
needed to struggle with technical details again). 

4. Told myself that I'll be able to find an interesting and "meaningful" 
job on software development in HK - we should have hope, and even faith! 
(Regardless of probability and past experience). 

5. Told myself that career is not the whole of life. Having
a job is just a way to survive; the real meaning of life does not come
from work. In fact, honestly, this is my motivation back to HK.

>--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: alfred@chip.tmc.edu (Alfred Wu)
Subject: Re: Help ! N Y Giants fan looking for "air" time in HK !
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:38:20 GMT

In article <6130069@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>>mkcman@napier.waterloo.edu (Marcus Man) /  4:32 pm  Jul 27, 1992 /
>>Hi,
>>
>>        I don't think they have any "LIVE" event for pro football in HK,
>>the only coverage is the super bowl final and that is all. Try the satellite TV,may be t hey have it. Don't worry if they don't have it. You will find many
>>other sports there. I know that they have baseball on satellite TV. But it 
>>is not major league, it is NCAA baseball, no good!!!
>>
>>Marcus Man
>>U  of  Waterloo
>>Canada
>
>>----------
>
>American football (sorry, but you know, in UK and HK, football means different
>sport) has never been a popular sport in HK. I don't think TV would have
>any show of it, even super bowl, may be a few shoots. Have you seen the
>world cup or Eurpean cup in US national stations? Same things happen.
>
>Yuk

About five years ago, TVB started to boardcast SuperBowl on live
every year.  

I had been HK last Christmas.  There was a program named NFL weekly on TV.
However, the games had been cut into pieces which are all the best
plays in those games. 

alfred
From: smach@carson.u.washington.edu (Suantin Mach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:37:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul24.133833.22878@cs.rochester.edu> luk@cs.rochester.edu (Steve Luk) writes:
>In article <19521@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>   I just thought of a very interesting question, at least to me...
>>   Where in the world did FORTUNE COOKIES come from??????????
>>
>As far as I can tell, FC came from some Chinese restaurants in San
>Francisco, CA. Why? I don't know! Seems to me that this brilliant
>person merged the famous Chinese Food with one of our traditional
>fortune telling techniques to make this.
>BTW, I have heard that FC comes with different flavors now. Do they
>have strawberry flavor? B-)
>
>>
      there was a tv program talked about FC long time ago, they said
      that FC came from a Chinese restaurant in SF, CA for advertising
      purpose, just like some American or Mexican restaurants giving
      you chewing gums or mints after meal, or happy meal in Mcdonald
      (included toys for kids) to draw customers.

      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:01:19 GMT
Keywords: bruce Lee

In article <1992Jul25.120752.28250@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>I found out that Bruce Lee was passed away on July 20, 1973 - that 
>was nineteen years ago last week.  He is one of the most admired 
>and respected superstar in the movie history, do you remember him?

Oh, yes, first chinese that really made Kung-Fu famous to the west.
Real muscle, funny guy too.  But the way he died was a real big waste.
He died in house of a woman who was not his wife.  Rumor was that he
took drug and alcohol that night.