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From: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:07:47 GMT
Reply-To: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan26.165721.25897@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Robert Swan (roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au) wrote:
>: The Amiga world has had three standards - i.e. the three major releases
>: of the chip-set.  And the interface is supported by C=.  Device
>: independent graphics, beyond these standards, is not a concern to the
>: many people who find C='s hardware adequate.  Moreover, Amiga users get
>: faster graphics.  An average PC running Windows-III can't compete with an
>: average Amiga for animation speed
>:
>
>I don't know about the average, but I can get a 486 PC, for less than the
>price of an A4000, which will blow the A4000 away in terms of graphics.  A
>graphics adapter with the S3 801 accelerator, for example, achieves X
>performance close to that of the HP Snake.  Get the localbus version, and the
>Amiga can't hold a candle to it.

Let's see. Robert talks about "average" which implies he's trying to bring the
discussion to address the bulk of user systems. Jerry responds with an S3
graphics adapter. Duh.

Even with the S3 cards, the high performance is usually limited to Windows apps,
not DOS, OS/2 or Unix, because the cards are designed to trap out specific
Windows API calls.

>: DIG is not something I'm itching for on the Amiga.  I find both
>: resolution and colour to be adequate for my purposes.
>:
>
>What about speed?

What about it? DIG has many benefits, but the additional overhead may be viewed
as a negative to some, depending on their needs and applications.



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From: xero@cislabs.pitt.edu (George J. Karabin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Keywords: alias
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:13:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh [CIS]

In article <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

Actually, I think you can pump cd .. into Amigados via the alias command.
Or, in AmigaDos 2.0+, I think there's a method of redefining strings, so you
could make .. equivalent to / . But, I haven't had my Amiga for a while,
and can't remember off the top of my head.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:50:45 GMT

 jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>Sure!  Just get 4DOS and you have a great CLI.  History, aliases, completion,
>intelligent wildcards, interactive file selection, on-line help, etc.  I
>believe it even allows you to change the pathname separator.  It's shareware,
>BTW.
>

     Hrmph.  _Most_ of those features have been in the Amiga shell since the
1.3 release of the OS.  The ones that aren't (specifically: on-line help and
filename completion; not sure what you mean by interactive file selection...
opens a file requestor?) are available in the PD Csh.  (There's no real need to
change the pathname separator under AmigaDOS).  Not to mention that with the
Amiga's shell you can make it resident (can you do that even under OS/2?)
and open lots of them with very little memory usage.  Csh will let you add
menus, hotkeys, etc. to the shell.
    Of course, no matter what shell you use, on any DOS or OS/2 machine you're
limited to drives with stupid names like "A" :-) and if you're using a FAT 
file system you've got to put up with the stupid 8.3 filenames.  I agree with
Skip, too... someone should write a virus that permanently disables that 
%$#$^%$# backslash :-)

     You do occasionally make some valid points in your MCIBTYC tirades here,
but I'd advise not taking us on over our CLI/shell environment... you'd have
to either spend a good bit of money or switch to a UNIXish OS to even come
close.



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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:16:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1jrte6INNvs@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:

>I also hear that Microsoft is under investigation for monopolization
>practices.  Imagine Microsoft going the way of AT+T, still big, not as
>big as before, and you have 2 other major compeditors.  Who knows what
>competition might bring (like actually having companies of this caliber
>making stuff for the Amiga?).

Old news. Get with the times. The FTC judgement will be handed down
in February. We will know then what happens. Probably not much.
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From: nmp@mfltd.co.uk (Nic Percival (x5336))
Subject: Flame Bait
Reply-To: John Major
Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England
Distribution: mf
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:49:02 GMT


I find it interesting to note that there are no comp.sys.atari/pc.advocacy
news groups.
I think this has less to do with how good these machines are(n't), but
perhaps more to do with the mental state of Amiga, Macintosh and Next
owners (the advocacy groups that do exist.)
Perhaps owners of these machines are so busy congratulating each other on
how magic their machines are, that they have failed to notice there are
machines that are better, have more support, are cheaper, are more easily
upgradeable etc etc.


P.S I'm told that 'Amiga' is 'Call-girl' in Spanish.

P.P.S I don't own a PC.

P.P.P.S I don't own an ST.

P.P.P.P.S There is no P.P.P.P.S
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Move
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:13:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
|> Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
|> : >
|> : >You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
|> : > 
|> : >Does it matter, Skip?
|> :
|> : Yes.  If I didn't use anything but Clones, it might not be.  But I use
|> : Amigas and various UNIX boxes on a daily basis and the Clones are the
|> : only ones that do things backwards.
|> 
|> Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
|> and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

True, maybe this is one of the things that should be implemented on the Amiga.
I aliased in 'cd..', which helps somewhat, but you have to leave out the space.

You know what would be nice? Full-replacement aliasing, like they do in C. 
So that you could globally alias .. to mean /


Ah, well...

|> : Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
|> :
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From: papo@pyuxf.uucp (25241-anaya)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: The Big North
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:19:12 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Summary: What's the Amiga's health in Canada?

Hi *


How well is the Amiga in Canada?  Is it being used in the telecommunications
field, specially in telephony and videotex thru telephone poles???
I read someones article (I beleive that was a Skip Saul's one) that
a telecommunications company used their amiga's for daily operations,
can I get more info about that??

Regards,



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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:34:12 GMT

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <1jva4gINNman@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>The existence of global warming is currently unknown.  

>"Unknown"???  It exists, it's there, it's an undebatable effect. 

  Really, Peter?  Perhaps you should try reading some non-mainstream
literature on global warming.  There certainly IS a healthy school of
debate on whether global warming is a fact, or rather, whether it's being
caused by mankind or is just a cyclical effect which has happened
in the past.
  In fact, only a couple of months ago, there was a large article
in our local paper's Science section proclaiming that we are descending
into another ice-age (remember the doom and gloom of the 70's?)
  There's also a recent book out debunking the "prophets of doom", into
which I'd place some of the proponents of global warming.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:49:39 GMT
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Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: >
: >OK, lets.  What is your definition of a real time operating system,
: >and how does OS/2 either meet or not meet criteria ?
:
: Yes. Please, for the *first* time, present us some hard, correct things
: called "facts"!
:

Why should I?  You disregard the facts every time I post them, so what's the
point?  No matter what I post, you and the rest of the Amigoids call me names.

:
: May I tell you a little secret: Andy was for quite a long time the boss
: of the Amiga OS engineering team.
:

I see.  So this makes him an expert in Windows and OS/2?  Look, Peter, many
of us on this newsgroup are professionals, including myself, so please stop
trying to use your professional status as proof of anything.

:
: >>I had a feeling you were just as insulting as the rest of the Amigoids,
: >>Andy.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
:
: The one who is insulting is solely you, Jerry.
:

I see that facts aren't the only things you ignore, Peter.  You also seem
to ignore all the Amigoid bashing of PC's and PC users that goes on here.

:
: And I also feel personally offended: a phrase like "as insulting as the
: rest of the Amigoids" easily insults 99 % of the persons reading this
: text. YOU ARE WRONG!
:

Really?  And the Amigoids who call PC users "sheep", "lemmings", "clowns",
etc. -- this isn't insulting?  Wake up and smell the sh*t you're shoveling,
man.

:
: And you do it over and over. We present you facts, and you answer with
: disbelief (I call it ignorance) and insults!
:

You're dreaming.  It's usually the other way around.  The facts I post are
ignored, and the Amigoids call me names.  Sometimes, I get angry and fire
back, and that's when people like you put on this "Joe Sensitive" act and
start reading me lectures.  The point is -- I always start by posting facts.
You may choose to ignore them; it's your right.  But if you expect not to
hear anything from me after you insult me and lie about my statements, you'd
better put me in your kill file.

:
: >Once again, I invite you to respond with verifiable technical
: >details to the issues you have opinions on.
:
: Andy, I admire you how cool and polite you are able to stay with such
: type of a person.
:

I'm sure Andy appreciates you patting him on the back with your post.  Are
you looking for a promotion or something?

:
: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
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From: laire@birke.uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:35:33 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
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torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>>Yes, I do.  And I hope that someday those I love will be able to live
>>with the freedom of knowing that companies aren't infringing upon your
>>right to live,

>  Might I suggest that the only way to guarantee this is to rely on
>a system of individual rights, and by definition, capitalism.  After
>all, we've seen how well socialism and community rights treats
>the environment (E. Germany, Poland, Soviet Union).

Do you think it`s so easy ? Do you think the people that must live
on the streets because of several reasons think raw-capitalism is
the best thing ?

> 
>>I believe that Global Warming _IS_ a huge problem, and we should throw
>>large amounts of money into ANY legitimate research effort, ESPECIALLY

>  Who is this "we".  The royal "we" perhaps?  I don't care if you
>throw large amounts of YOUR money at a perceived problem, since YOU
>believe it.  Just don't throw large amounts of MY money.  Very simple.

Mmmm...you make it really simple to you....i only don`t think that`s
the solution we should deal with problems that can affect the whole world.



Regards...
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University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Move
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:13:36 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1993Jan21.232550.4612@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <jprad.727647604@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
>>>Ugh, I'll pass then.  Maybe someone will write a shell for OS/2 and WinNT
>>>to provide them with the standard slash.
>>
>>  Throwing out an entire OS because of the choice of '\' for a subdirectory
>>seperator?  If I didn't know better this sounds like a forged post by
>>Jerry himself! ;-)
>
>Now that was low...  :-)
>
>>  Anyways, the backslash isn't that inconvient, most of the better PC
>>keyboards locate that key to the right side of the right shift key so
>>that the forward slash is to the left and the backslash is to the right,
>>makes for fairly convienent command line keyboarding.
>
>My keyboard at work has one in just that position, but I find it to be
>awkward to use.  The Amiga keyboard would actually be easier to use on
>a Clone, IMHO.
>
>>  There are some bizzaro locations on some keyboards though, but it's no
>>worse, maybe less in fact, then the location of the caps lock and CTRL
>>keys on a lot of keyboards.
>
>I agree with you 100% on this one.  I can't even begin to count the number
>of times I've hit the damn caps-lock key instead of the Ctrl key.

Get yourself a Northgate OmniKey/101 keyboard.  The control and capslock
keys can be remapped.  They even include new keycaps.  I bought one for my
UNIX box, rmkhome, that feeds this system, and for $100 it is a fantastic
keyboard.  It even has a mode where it can be used on an Amiga 2000, and
it has strong, industrial strength switches and a good feel.  Since the
keyboard on this system, my A2000, is dying, I'll probably get another
Northgate keyboard, unless I just break down and buy an A4000 first.

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:21:29 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <SUOPANKI.93Jan22153901@stekt7.oulu.fi> suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi writes:
>
>You are lying, Peter. 
>Jerry never said x86 is far superior to  680x0.

Sorry, I can't back this up *in the moment*. But then, perhaps I again
will stuble across such a file. I'm sure I remember correctly.

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From: davereed@wam.umd.edu (Michael Robert Bromery)
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:08:25 GMT


   Really slow on an A1200? Be hard to believe that. I finished the game
already on my unaccelerated A500 system. The A1200 obviously must be faster
than what I got. I could believe that it should run real well, but I'm still
trying to figure out if there was a big change in versions behind our backs or
what. Since I'm the only person in this area that I know has Wing Commander, I
have nobody else's copy to look at. I am in the works of finding out and I 
should find out real soon. I think I may have a tester to check it out. I'll
get back to you as soon as I hear from him.

    ---- Mike Bromery. (The ever searching Gumshoe(Investigating)).
    Email: davereed@wam.umd.edu
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:38:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: world, public

In article <1993Jan22.021104.8942@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>	Does the 486 have IBM compatible emulators available for it?

Say what? Does the Amiga have Amiga emulators avaialble for it?
Oh, wait! Nothing can emulate the Amiga. Oh well, I guess the Amiga
sucks.

That was sarcasm by the way.
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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:56:32 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <74354@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>> Thing I never understood, why is it that I never seem to see a Greenpeace
>>spokesman with a degree in the area he is talking about?
> 
> It would take all the fun out of it.  Take .advocacy for instance!
> 
>>they all seem to be non-technical people. Is this just an impression
>>I'm getting?
> 
> You mean on .advocacy.  Yes. I agree.

	This sort of thing happens on TV news also.  During the Desert Storm
	campaign, I often saw reporters interviewing other reporters about
	military strategy or something.  What the hell good is that?
> 
> TomK@cup.portal.com
> Tom Krotchko
Fred Heitkamp,  fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Roommates Suicide=Straight A's?
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:31:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.054740.18219@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

> --
> zarthac@cs1    \               / Macs are more bullet proof, because the  /
> zarthac@camelot >.bradley.edu / authors have the leeway to assume total  /AMIGA
> zarthac@buhub  /             / user idiocy - Charles C. Bundy IV        /   ///
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------/   ///
> And I've seen Windows CRASH, too...  nothing is bulletproof, you just /\\\/// 
> need a big enough bullet. - Frank R. Dana, Jr.                       /  \XX/ 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------/
> This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
> only problem is that instead of spears and flaming piles of wood, / creative
> we have soft cushy pillows. - Ian Kennedy (c.s.a.a)              / mind.


Wooo! My first .sig quote!

Ah feel so speshul!    9)

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From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Prevue Guide "upgrade"
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:01:55 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <1993Jan26.233502.17428@medsys.rn.com> wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus) writes:
>Did anyone else notice the "upgrade" to 2.0/2.1/3.0/?.? on the Prevue
>Guide channel? Is it only in my area (haven't checked it out on satellite
>feed yet)? It now has a 3-D look and the times across the top look like
>gadgets you could click on. Too bad it's not that integrated...

In my area, several TV Companies use Amiga's to display slides on the air.
I think Prevue Guide is an Amiga underneath.

I one say a 3D looking Scala control panel broadcast. I thought it meant
they had upgraded, but future mistakes from the studio showed the Amiga 1.3
Workbench screen.
 
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