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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "Nosferatu the Vampyre"
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:02:36 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Sep29.120004@IASTATE.EDU>, ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez) writes:
> The Science Fiction Book Club is selling
> the original Nosferatu tape for $12.50

Can you post the order number or mail it to me? I don't remember seeing
it, although I seldom pay much attention to the video selections. For
this price I'd order a copy.
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From: mattox@cs.uiuc.edu (David Mattox)
Subject: Re: Given the Choice
Reply-To: mattox@kbesrl.me.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:27:02 GMT

It depends, what type of vampire are you talking about. If it was an Anne Rice
type (i.e. Lestat and his buddies) I would consider it once I hit age 70 or so. If by vampire you mean something like the ones found in the movie "Vampire Planet" then I'll just stick to waving crosses around. (I'm not sure if that is really the name of the movie but all the vampires were skinny, ugly, wore black and had teeth that curved down to their adams apples. It was a really bad movie.) Sorry to be so "anal"-lytical but just remember the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it".




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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Near Dark
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:07:50 PDT

In <Bvx9pA.K7I@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

                        [Stuff Deleted]
>
>It usually is, 3 bites - and remember Malthus on food and mankind:  food
>production increases arithmetically, while population expands geometrically.
>
>Kinda makes you think that there always will be vampire starvation, when you
>apply it to the vampire population:
>
>(And especially if vampires just turn inert if they don't get fed)
>Food= Human population
>Population = Vampires
>
>grin.
>
>
What we're saying here is that vampires are conservationists???
Wow! Someone tell the SIerra club that we have a group that has been managing
wildlife (us) for centuries now!! :-)













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From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Given the choice, I'd hunt; + test
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY


Yeah, I'd like to find out more about hunting vampires.  I sent an article a week or so ago to
that effect, and since there was no response, I wonder if it got through.  I kind of expected
a flame fest.  Someone please send me mail if you can read this, and don't forget to tell me
where you are.

Thanks,
Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Robert Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: More on Lilith...
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:11:39 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion) writes:


>Isaiah 34:14
>' Wildcats shall meet hyenas, goat-demons shall greet eachother; There too the
> lilith shall repose and find herself a resting place.'

I'm curious which translation this is.  I've got KJV saying "...the screech owl also shall rest there..." and NIV saying ""...there the night creatures will
also repose..."  Which translation mentions lilith(s)?

I'm not denying your statement, just looking for more info.  I've always been
interested in Lilith.  Interestingly, my first readings of her were by Shaw,
where he essentially says that she is both God and Satan (see "In the       
Beginning").


>hnudred of her demon children would die each day.  [Upon hearing this], she
>vowed to inflict harm on male infants up until the eighth day after birth...

Interesting.  Jewish male infants are all circumsised on the eight day after
birth.  Probably a connection.

Of course, the Talmud's oral history (from which this obviously comes), has
many legends in it that have in all likelihood been distorted.  While the Torah
was painstakingly copied and shows almost no errors from each copy, the       
Talmudic oral history was just that, oral.  It wasn't written down until about
100BC or so.  Maybe 200BC, I forget.  So a lot of it's legend.

Not meaning to get off the subject of vampires (that being the purpose of this
conference).  The point is to look for where legends like these came about.
There are good medical explinations for the origins of vampire and lycanthrope
stories.  But every legend has its basis in fact...                     

SITH
Rob Napier
rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: truth ( virtual vampyres same as photons and gravitons???)
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:44:19 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct6.023942.23385@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> tarrall@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(Pavaroti the Clown) writes:

[snip snip. much side-splitting silliness on using quantum mechanics to help
 prove vampires cut. so sorry. if you want a copy, email me]

>Go read up about worm holes and such, but remember that Quantum
>mechanics proves that the universe is entirely SUBJECTIVE.  Anything
>I believe is in fact true and you can't even think about changing that
>one.

Well, Pav, I ran your proofs past the guys in sci.skeptic, and the most
lenient opinion I got was that, to paraphrase, "Since this guy refuses to
acknowledge reality, what's the use in arguing with him?" The general
concensus was that, as per your closer:

>Also a physics major>-- I only drink blood in my spare time.

you should change to blood drinking full time, as it looks like you have
no future in physics.

I received, among other things, an actual proof, in QM, as to why your
virtual vampires wouldn't work. I received several suggestions for
experiments you could perform to help you decide whether reality is
relative or not (my favorite:  Stand in the middle of the road, close your
eyes, and refuse to believe that my car is not rushing towards you at
55 MPH. If everything is relative, then I guess that'll only be virtual blood
we'll see all over the place). Since net.consensus seems to be that this thread
is silly (and since I am taking my conversations with Phil, et al., to
email), I won't post all the wonderful replies here (they'd add about another
400 lines to this post), but they're safe in my friendly vampyre directory
if you, Pavaroti, or anybody else, wants to take a look at them.

Later...
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From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Pronouncing Cuthulu
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:23:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92283.020257AHACC@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AHACC@ASUACAD.BITNET writes...
>Our discussion so far:
>-------------------------------------------------
>In article <92278.171505JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>  (1) - This is alt.vampyres, not alt.nameless.ones...
>>  (2) - Koo-tool-hoo...
>>                       -Jonathan :)
> 
>   You are wrong on #2.  According to the back of CoC 4th ed., its:
> 
>              KUH-THOOL-HOO.

Hmm - I usually end up pronouncing the 'th' something like the way you're
SUPPOSED to say 'Sidhe'.
(That is, that silent, unwritten character between the S and the i, not the
silent dhe.)

>-------------------------------------------------
> 
>     (1) - More like alt.people.with.too.much.free.time ... <WRY GRIN> ...
> 
>     (2) - According to Mr. Lovecraft, it should be pronounced all at
>           once while spitting such that it vaguely resembles a
>           particularly violent sneeze..."CUH-thOOl." "God bless you ...
>           you'll need it!"
> 
>           The logic being that an ugly cthonic deity should have an
>           ugly, unpronounceable name.
> 
>     Now, if someone could tell me, for 20 points, how do you pronounce
>Tetzcatlipoca?

Tezcatlipoca?  Obvious.  As written - 

T - how do you normally pronounce T?
e - short
z - as normal
c - see T
a - short, as in 'father'
t - see T
l - ditto
i - long
p - see T,z,c,t, and l
o - long
c - whadddayou think?
a - as in 'father' again.

There you go!

(Where'd you get that mis-spelling, anyway?)

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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 07 Oct 92 21:06:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <21022@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>>>world.  We know of phenomena, such as wormholes, that PROVE time travel is 
>>>possible in some format or another.
>>
>>      We have exactly as much evidence for the existence of wormholes
>>as we have for the existence of vampires.  In fact, the large and
>>varied body of vampire myths could be taken as stronger evidence
>>of their existence than the very recent theories of wormholes.
>
>Actually, we have decent theories which show how wormholes could work.
>The body of vampiric bio-mechanics is lacking once you leave the fiction
>section of the bookshelves.

     This is a straw-man.  Until recently, we didn't have theories to
describe wormholes.  Did they suddenly come into existence when we
developed the theory?
     Lack of a working theory is also not evidence for non-existence.


>>     And I'll believe in wormholes when one knocks on my door.
>
>I'm assuming you're still waiting for the lemmings to knock, too, so
>you can believe in them. Or have you seen one?

      Non-sequiter alert!!  What are you talking about?

					-Phil
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From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Re: To Whom It May Concern...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:54:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.163928.3805@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.221319.2286@bvc.edu> daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:
>>  For all those vampyre fans out there, the Science Fiction channel has
>>started re-broadcasting the first "Dark Shadows" series in it's entirety.
>>
>
>What channel is the Sci_channel on?
>
>Sean
>

In response to your question Sean, the Science Fiction Channel, nor the
Cartoon Channel for that matter, are going to be available to Paragon
subscribers until later next year. Sorry Charley, better visit your local
Video Central.

Modo
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:09:16 GMT

battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:

>/There are people who would like to be vampires (yours truly included) and
>/would happily play along in that role for a tv show.
>/And then, there are those people who have drunk human blood before...
>/(yours truly being one of these again.)

>why would you want to be a vampyer(note funky new spelling!)?  Could you
>kill a person now, as a mortal?  If not, how could you do it as a vampyer?
>Would you really want to be mortally vulnerable to something so plentiful
>as sunlight?  would you want to be superman if half the world was made
>of kryptonite and everyone wanted to give you some? (there may be better
>analogies)
>I sure hope the blood you drank was either your own or HIV-.

Oh yes, *thank you* for removing the attribution from my words :(

Quick answers: because vampires are real cool; yes, probably; I still could;
I wouldn't be, that's a false stereotype; flawed analogy; no it wasn't, and
yes, it was.

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From: bchapman@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Bruce Patrick Chapman)
Subject: Re: More on Lilith...
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:47:23 GMT

In article <92285.132327IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> The Pursuit Of Desire <IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>The only thing I really want to know is where can I get a date with her?
>She sounds like my kinda girl!  -TC

well...i am certain that it would be a night you would never forget...asuming 
that you survived the night.

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From: jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone)
Subject: How to spell *LILITH*
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:13:54 GMT

> Lillith
> Lillith
> Lillith

If I may pick a very small nit...  the above spelling is *WRONG*.  The
being from mythology is named "Lilith", one "L" in the middle.  Same for
George MacDonald's book.  It's "Lilith".  Wouldn't want to mispell the
name of one of the oldest beings in existance, now would we? ;)


Cheers,



jb



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From: spaceman@mwunix.mitre.org (Fletcher Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Allergies to sunlight (Re: Existance of Vampire)
Keywords: sunlight allergies
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:44:46 GMT
Organization: Just me.


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Date sent:  7-OCT-1992 16:08:40 

>     <more chuckles> Aye. The night is alot easier on my eyes, too. I'd rather
>be about in the evening and wee hours than the daylight. I'm not a vampire
>however, and I haven't yet met any in my travels. Maybe they don't like suburbia
>or rural america. :)

I'm a student at the University at Buffalo, and here, I have many friends
(most Asian like myself--I once heard a non-Asian friend generalize, "Asians
are notoriously nocturnal) who keep reverse hours during non-school and some
school nights.  We rise at five in the evening and stay up until the sun is
rising.  We jokingly refer to ourselves as Vampires, simply because we keep
such vampiric hours.

Just a remark.


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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: STOP VAMPIRE E-MAIL!
Date: 07 Oct 92 17:06:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <fletch.718342645@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>
>	Alright, I posted my opinion of the existence of vampires some time
>ago.  Since then, I've received nothing but bags of e-mail by people who
>are adamant about proving me wrong.  I don't care!  Respond all you want and
>flame me until we're all old and grey!  But, do it over internet!!!  I've got
>a life and don't have time to read everyone's letter as they belittle my
>beliefs and try (but always fail) to "put me in my place."  GO AWAY!
>

     Translation:  "I'll post whatever kind of nonsense I like, but
won't read your replies so don't bother me.  Nyah nyah."

     Welcome to Usenet...

					-Phil
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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Tale of the Body Thief
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:12:40 GMT

	I am surprised that no one has posted a review of Anne Rices newest
book. I am about half way through it and I must say that I was dissapointed
at first, but it is starting to get interesting. In my opinion it is
not nearly as rich or interesting as any of the others. How about the opinion of others ?


Dan

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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Vampire Movies
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 13:26:56 PDT

How about that all time classic, "Dracula's Widow!" 

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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 07 Oct 92 21:05:14 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <21018@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.175915.28084@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>>In article <20970@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>>>
>>>Oh, yeah, for the argument impared:
>>>
>>>Occam's Razor:  The simplest answer is usually the correct one.
>>
>>      Note:  "usually", not "always."
>
>Of course. How does not having an "always" there mean that there could be
>vampires?

     Occam's Razor is of little value when trying to prove non-existence.
This is what I was trying to point out.


>>      Agreed.  It's a good bet.  However, if Santa shows up the
>>next year, you could lose your shirt.
>
>I'm still willing to bet my net.worth that Santa won't be visiting this
>year. You up for taking it?

     Define Santa.


>>>What do vampires (in classical terms) have against them? Well, they're dead,
>>>to start with, and dead things have not been observed to do much than
>>>decompose over the rest of Earth.
>>
>>     Note necessarily.  Some fiction theorizes that vampires are simply
>>another species, that sits above homo sapiens on the food chain.
>
>Who cares about fiction? I thought we were talking about whether vampires
>could actually exist, which is a nifty topic, although not one I'd spend
>too much time worrying over. The fact that something has appeared in a
>work of fiction only shows that it has appeared in a work of fiction.

     You have no working definition of vampire.  Therefore, you can
make no definite statements about their existence or non-existence.
If you would care to define your terms, it might make things a bit
easier.
     As the majority of the characteristics of vampires are describe
in fiction from various sources, those sources must be valid in
attempting to define vampire.  Agreed?


>>> They suffer massive
>>>allergic reactions to sunlight, basically unheard of in multi-cellular
>>>lifeforms. And so on.
>>
>>    Totally false.  There are several conditions that cause severe
>>reactions to sunlight in humans.
>
>I'm talking about bursting-into-flames-with-the-rising-sun, not porphyra
>(corrected spelling gladly accepted). 

     This is not what you said.  Is "bursting-into-flames-with-the-
rising-sun" a necessary condition for a vampire, by your (so far
undisclosed) definition?


>In any case, none of your points have even started laying the foundation
>for the long road to show that vampires are around, and could be, except in
>some fascinating fiction.

     I'm not attempting to prove that they are.  I'm merely trying
to show that you can't say that they _aren't_ around.  See the
difference?

					-Phil
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From: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson)
Subject: Re: lilith
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:36:37 GMT
Keywords: Lilith, Bible, vampire?

filter@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (jonatha t filter) writes:
>Well, I'm not a Biblical scholar, and what I'm about to write was hearsay
>from the beginning, and I'm relying only on my memory to elucidate (hopefully)
>this little problem:
>
>First of all, there really isn't too much Bible from the original Hebrew.  The
>Bible we have today is an English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek
>translation (probably of an Aramaic translation).  Quite a few things can get 
>lost there, but I doubt very much that Lillith was ever mentioned in the Bible.

Hmmm...old misconceptions die hard.  The Bible we have today is translated
not from Latin at all.  The New Testament is translated from Greek texts
dating back to 125AD (most of NT was probably written in Greek, a couple of
books probably in Aramaic) and the Old Testament is translated primarily
from the Masoretic Hebrew texts with consultation to the scrolls found at
Qumran (i.e., Dead Sea Scrolls).

As for Lilith, the Hebrew word (lilit -- what's the best way is to
transliterate that?) is used in Isaiah 34:14 and has been often translated
"night hag".


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