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From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: Corso Distributors/Imports: warrantee experiences?
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 09:52:42 CST

Has anyone out there had any experience with Corso Distributors/Imports?  I
have a bike (Bottechia SL) that I ordered from them thru a local bike shop in
1989. The local shop went out of business 1 1/2 years ago. Recently the frame
has developed small cracks in the head-tube/top-tube lug.   So, I am going to
send  the frame back to Corso in NY and see if they are going to do anything
about it (repair or replacement).  I doubt they will do anything and most like
ly will just send me the frame back saying 'sorry', but I have nothing to lose.
Has anyone out there had experiences like this before with an import company
like Corso concerning steel italian frames?  How do these companies usually
deal with these sorts of things?  Are they pretty receptive or not?
Any advice is appreciated. Thanks
Conrad Castaneda---------------------*
From: SteveSgt@cup.portal.com (Steven Eugene Sergeant)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Q: Who makes a good CARGO trailer?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:21:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

I read the (quite lengthy) FAQ on bicycle trailers and found that it
only applied to child carriers.  That's not what I'm interested in
(although I might occasionally want to haul a 30_lb. Spaniel).

I need a touring/utility trailer to haul camping/touring gear and to
haul the usual around-town stuff like groceries, laundry, and other
shopping trip swag.

Does anyone out there in netland/dataspace have any knowledge or
experience with CARGO TRAILERS?  There are only a couple of significant
differences between my needs and those of parents carrying children:

1.	I need a solid (rigid) floor so that little stuff stays put,
	this should be as low to the ground as practical.
2.	I need loops, grommets, eyelets, or some kind of device to
	be able to tie things down with ropes or bungie cords.
3.	The hitch must mount low (to the chain stays) because I want to
	pull it behind a Ryan Vanguard Recumbent.

	I have talked to most of the major local bike shops and they all seem
to carry nothing but the Burley child-carrier trailer.  This is not
appropriate for my purposes.

	Does anybody else have other suggestions?

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From: jpalmier@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Jim Palmieri)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Results X/C trip/USA
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:17:20 GMT
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)

Several months ago I made a posting about bicycling cross
country and had many friends respond.  I then gave some
personal advice in a rather long article.  Well, I did it again
and will post them below:

TRIP: both 1987 and 1992.  From Florence, Oregon to Rehoboth
Beach, Delaware.  

Distance: 1987 trip-3,032 miles
          1992 trip-3,283 miles
Travel Time: 1987-June 18 to July 18, 28 days cycling two days
rest. Average 108.3 miles/day.
             1992-July 6, to August 9, 33 cycling days, one day
rest. Average 99.5 miles/day

Support: 1987 car support to carry gear, 1992 no support
carried 10-18 pounds on bicycle.

Average speed- 1987 14.2 mph, 1992 14.4 mph (pretty close!!!)


1992 trip results
Total hours in the saddle 227.5
Average hours in the saddle/day 6.9
Food cost-$645/trip, $19.50/day
Drink and misc. cost-$120.50/trip, $4.47/day
Total motel cost/person $541.72/trip, $18.68/day (in 1987 the
motel cost was $15.31/person/day


COMMENTS: The trip was good but uneventful.  Everybody stayed
healthy and we were still talking to each other on the last
day!!! (3 of us, two teachers and a bicycle shop owner).  The
roads were untouched out West and the bridges in fair to poor
shape.  Definite infrastructure degeneration over the past 5
years!  Thanks George! The East coast roads in ok to good shape
(where the politicians live). Weather good, cool and only two
days of rain but a lot of headwind.

Any one do a trip across country this summer?  It would be
interesting to compare results and tell stories. Lets call the
file X/C USA.  Jim Palmieri.
-- 



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here at the fountain's sliding foot,
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:21762 rec.bicycles.racing:10
From: SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET (Willem Boersma)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland final stages
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:23:13 GMT
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

My first post to rec.bicycles.racing! To make sure everybody gets
it, I'll crosspost only this once.
Stage 5, Tilburg - Heythuysen 183 km.
 
1. Harmeling        4h 21' 39'' (avg. 41.964)
2. Pieters                  1''
3. Capiot
4. Baffi
5. Leoni
6. Moncassin
7. W. Nelissen
8. Devos
9. Capelle
10. Veenstra
 
Identical win by Harmeling in the 5th stage as in the 4th stage:
break in the last kilometer. Harmeling, who was the clown in the
1991 TdF (last overall, numerous falls) seems to be in the winning mood.
Greg Lemond abandoned.
 
Final stage 6, Heythuysen - Gulpen 176 km.
1. Rue            4h 31' 55''  (avg. 38.835)
2. Ferrigato              5''
3. Lietti
4. Yates
5. Nijdam
6. Baffi                  8''
7. Schurer
8. Tsjabalkine
9. Lauridzen
10. Marie
 
Well, Nijdam managed to hang in there, although it appeared he
had to do it all by himself. Maassen, who was supposed to be riding
for Nijdam, apparently had a "bad day" and was nowhere to be seen,
despite the fact that he skipped the Championship of Zurich to help
Nijdam win the Tour of Holland.
 
Final Overall:
1. Nijdam   20h 36' 31''
2. Marie            43''
3. Bezault          55''
4. Yates         1' 17''
5. Harmeling     1' 22''
6. Breukink      1' 24''
7. Zhdanov       1' 39''
8. Lietti        1' 43''
9. Seigneur      1' 45''
10. Frison       2' 01''
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: Phil Wood titanium bottom bracket
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:57:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplomg.9209041657.AA17931

Eric House writes:

> Would I be out of place suggesting that you read a bit more carefully before
> lumping posts into some category requiring a standard patronizing response?

Good point.  I missed the title and assumed we were talking of hubs.
However, if you substitute BB where I said hubs, all the things I said
apply as well.  I should be more careful both in this respect and the
use of jargon.  Modulus or more precisely elastic modulus is a property
often referred to as stiffness.  The modulus of various alloys of a
metal are generally the same as long as the alloying metals are in the
few percentiles of the base metal even though the ultimate strength is
substantially affected.  The two characteristics are often muddled in
promotional talk in bicycling as elsewhere.  A metal can be heat treated
and worked to harden it but its elastic modulus (stiffness) remains
unchanged.

I find most titanium screws, bolts, and axles/spindles an inconsequential
weight savings that, like $1000 wheels serve mainly to lighten the
pocketbook, not the bicycle.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:21753 rec.bicycles.tech:35
From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:12:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug25.231208.15110
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

15176@mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
>Although not exactly intuitive, tire support has been discussed here
>before.  Tires support a weight when the area of the contact patch
>times the tire pressure equals the weight.  Running at rated pressures
>(higher for the smaller tire) the smaller tire will have less
>deformation. Since rolling resistance on a hard surface is the hysteresis 
of the deformed tire, then the smaller tire will have lower RR, since it
>deforms less.  Invite these salesguys to explain how a tire holds you
>up.
>Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org

	Well, then tell me this.  If I run a 19mm tire at 120 psi
and a 28mm tire at 120psi, which will have less rolling resistance?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but just wondering if you assumed
the wider tire must be run at a lower pressure?  (And yes, I do run
my 28mm tires at 120psi except when I get too lazy to top them
off.)
	I suppose  that if we follow the recommended maximum pressures,
then you would be correct.
-Case
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: OPINIONS: Trek 2100/2300, etc: Specialized E
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:21:51 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Keywords: (Long)

In article <1992Aug24.215922.15275@athena.mit.edu> stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:
>In article <5670@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne) writes:
>>   Shimano STD brake shift system (fell in love with them but... overpriced),
>>   19 speed  (would be a better climber)
>>   other minor equipment upgrades.
>
>i can't resist.
>what is STD and how the hell would you get 19 speeds without
>a 19 speed freewheel? :-)

This is a reasonable question.

There "should" be 3*7-21 gears, but you can't use the largest chainring with
the largest freewheel sprocket or the smallest with the smallest.


Of course you probably lose a few more speeds than THAT, because some pairs of
combinations have essentially the same ratios...



-dk
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:58:23 GMT
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:

> I am honestly confused about something, and I hope ya'll can explain it to me.
> Why does everyone seem to want fat tires on a road bike?  

More reasons, in addition to good reasons from Eric House:

1) you don't need to worry so much about inflating the tires before 
   every ride - if they drop to 80-90 psi, who cares?  It's also
   much easier to pump the tires to only 100psi instead of 130psi.

2) if you race it's worth it to have tubulars for racing and bomb proof
   clinchers for training.  Going from big clinchers makes ultralight 
   tubulars seem even quicker on race day, for that added boost

3) bigger tires corner better, IMHO

The most important things are 23mm tires at 100 psi are much more
comfortable than 20mm tires at 130 psi, and much more flat proof.
I am so sold on Micheline Hi-Lite Comp HD 23mms I will ride on   
them for a long time.  I've only had 2 flats in 1 year, with a significant
amount of riding (and racing) on rough, washboard dirt roads, and a few 
excursions on jeep trails.  (I flatted on the jeep trail because I got 
totally carried away and went way too fast, and I flatted recently on a
rear puncture because I had worn the rear tire down to the casing threads 
and hadn't replaced it.

I think the attitude of "Ride tires as small as possible until the
pinch flat frequency becomes unbearable" is foolish.  On 20mm Matrix CD6s
and Specialized Turbo R's, I used to flat 10-15 times a year, just to save 
a few grams in the wheels.  

One weekend of racing 3 years ago (before I had tubulars) I double pinch 
flatted on the road race Saturday (with the tires at 130psi, thankyou), 
and then I pinch flatted with a slow leak in a crit Sunday.  I didn't 
notice the slow leak until the tire rolled off the rim in a sharp corner.  
In the crash I took out two other guys who luckily ruined my bicycle
frame.  To top it off, this was with 2 laps to go and I was in 2nd place 
in the pack behind my hammerhead teammate who was planning on towing me
around as fast as possible for the last two laps up to the last corner.
Sitting beside the course with my ruined frame watching my buddy hammering
away at the front, coming out of the corner 1st just as planned, was
one of the most frustrating moments I have ever experienced.  I immediately
got tubulars for racing and have not had one flat in a race since then.

While people have claimed clinchers are now so close to tubulars in weight
that tubulars are obsolete, this fails to consider that lightweight clinchers
are *much* more prone to pinch flat than tubulars.  I've dented a tubular
rim by hitting railroad tracks once - certain that the tire must be
going flat, I started racing home as fast as possible.  To my amazement
the tire was fine even though the rim was dented.

Train and tour on big clinchers, race on tubulars.

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
From: rwilson@sol.UVic.CA (Rich)
Subject: Re: Pickup Truck Gets Revenge in a Civilized Fashion
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:20:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.150025.5763@wuecl.wustl.edu> kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland) writes:
>
>Now, there is one "biker's-rule-of-the-road" I hold to pretty dearly.
>That is: never make drivers pass you (again).  This rule is for both
>safety and politeness.  First off, it is always dangerous for
>1 ton+ chunks of steel to go flying past you.  Secondly, if the cars
>have already queued up behind you once and waited to pass, they should
>not, if possible, be forced to again.  This rule is particularly important
>in the city, where I see bikers zipping up the shoulder/sidewalk/centerline
>to the front of the stoplight.  (I'm not claiming to be beyond reproach
>here :)

I agree wholeheartedly!  Unless there is a wide shoulder, and a long line of
rush hour traffic, I stay in the line with the cars.  Another advantage to
this is that you are much more visible to drivers.  When I can no longer
keep up with the traffic, I move to my right.  I used to get myself in all
kinds of scary situations when I would sneak through traffic.  Now my biggest
worry downtown is getting hit by some other cyclist who wants to squeeze in
somewhere.
>
>Just my two cents.
>
>Kevin Ruland
>kevin@rodin.wustl.edu

Rich (rwilson@ra.uvic.ca)
From: Dave Snyder <davesnyder@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:04 PDT
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re
Nf-ID: #R:BtJq5w.Fu5@cs.psu.edu:-160228007:cdp:1449700041:000:166
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!davesnyder    Aug 29 22:04:00 1992


Hi folks,

i just came from rec.bicycles.soc looking for geat conversations such
as this one, but NOBODY'S THERE.  Let's carry this over to there, eh?

cheers,

dave
From: tom.schott@factory.com (Tom Schott) 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: CRANKARMS % COMPATABILITY
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: tom.schott@factory.com (Tom Schott) 

I recently started riding again after about eight years, and I've
put together a bike from an old frame (Fuji "Special Road Racer")
and mostly suntour and sugino components from my old Nishiki
international.

I'd like to upgrade the crankarms and freewheel but I'm not sure that
the discounted campanolo crankarms that I found will fit my chainrings.
My chainrings are Sugino 52T & 40T and the old crankarms are Maxi 170mm.
I've measured the distance between the chainring to crankarm bolt holes
at 65mm center to center.

Can anybody tell me if these Campy 175mm crankarms will fit the sugino
chainrings?

Also, in case anyone is interested, I've been reading a lot of messages
here about noisy cranksets and bottom brackets, and I found that after a
few long rides my crankarms started to creak a little. After reading
from someone about reinsatalling the left crankarm with a little grease
on the spindle first, my cranks are silent.  Thanks,  Tom Schott
                                                                  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: royg@netcom.com (Roy H. Gordon)
Subject: Campy dt shifter problem
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:36:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

A friend on mine has a pair of 15 year old Campy downtube shifters, probably
Neuvo Record.  They no longer hold.  Sometimes they don't just slip to
the next higher gear, but go to the smallest cog.  As you might imagine
my friend is usually not appreciative of these labor saving qualities.

He has taken apart and regreased components in varying permutations,
from no grease at all to grease everything, but nothing seems to make
any difference.

One peculiarity is that the only way he can keep the largest cog engaged is
to really re-tighten the wing nut after every shift!  When he now
(intentionally) shifts to a smaller cog, obviously the action is very stiff.
However, we he shifts back up to a larger cog, the wing nut is now loose
again.

Any ideas (other than go out an get a new pair of shifters after 15
years)?
From: kwh@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Humphreys)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QUESTION about aero bars
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:37:53 GMT
	<26AUG199211304246@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh
In-reply-to: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov's message of 26 Aug 92 16:30:00 GMT

erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Check your gravity at the door.) writes...
> I am thinking about purchasing SCOTT Lemond II Clip-On Bars.
> 
> The bars come in 4 different extension sizes, 11, 12, 13, or 14 inches.
> 
> Does a method exist where I can measure my arms or another relevant part
> of my body to determine which extension size would be best for me?

tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup)) writes:
> My understanding is that these are WIDTHS, not extensions.

Nope - for the Scott bars it's the extension.  The box of the Lemond
IIs has a scale printed on it to measure your forearm against to tell
you the appropriate size.  Ask for a look at the box at a friendly
shop, or from someone with the bars.

Kevin Humphreys    Phone: +44 31 650 4435       | University of Edinburgh
		   Fax:   +44 31 650 4587	| Centre for Cognitive Science
ARPA:   kwh%cogsci.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk  | 2 Buccleuch Place
JANET:  kwh@uk.ac.ed.cogsci                     | Edinburgh EH8 9LW Scotland
From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:11:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: arrl.498
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles.misc, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <17chn7INNnc@wave9.hal.COM> stevew@hal.COM (Steve Williams) writes:
>>
>>The "problem" (if there is one) with the Shimano HG chains isn't that
>>they're any more difficult than most to open or re-connect.  It's the
>>simple fact that *if* you follow Shimano's recommendation, you must
>>use the $3-$4 special replacement pin every time you open the chain.
>
>Hmm, and all this time I have been objecting to the $1 that I've
>been paying for those pins.

Yeah, me too -- and at an overpriced local bike shop, to boot!

Someone in an earlier post on this thread mentioned that HG
pins are difficult to install properly, yet I've not found
this to be the case. The pins are a cinch to install. But if
you twist the chain too much while you're breaking off the 
guide part of the pin, you can damage the chain. If you 
break the chain at an HG pin and look closely, you'll 
find that a small piece of the link comes out with the 
pin. That, I presume, is why Shimano admonishes HG-chain 
users not to break the chain at the special pins.

--Rus
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: Routes from Fremont to Santa Clara
Keywords: Fremont, Santa Clara
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:39:48 GMT

blp@cypress.com (Bruce Prickett/PROM) writes:

>>Anybody know of a way to get here on bicycle that avoids East Palo Alto
>>and 237?

>I ride from Fremont to 237 & N. 1st st. in San Jose at least twice a week,
>using Hwy 237 from Abell to Zanker. I don't feel that it is a bad way to go,
>and I see lots of other people doing it. The main issue is feeling OK about
>crossing 880 on 237. 
[Lots of other good advice and comments.]

I ride from Fremont to Moffett Field about three times a week using
237.  Like Bruce said, it is not as bad as it might seem.  I
previously bike-commuted between Redwood City and Moffett five days a
week and really dreaded 237 when we moved to Fremont.  

I actually have come to like it.  The road does not have the debris
that I anticipated, the traffic creates a tail-wind, and during rush
hour the car-pool lane is not heavily traveled.

--wayne
From: as427@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Galvin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wireless heart Monitor: wanted to buy
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:26:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking to buy a wireless heart monitor.
Any information is appreciated, like details, or if
you have one to sell.
Thank you
-- 
Dan Galvin ------------------------------------------------------
RCR0003@UOFT01.bitnet              FAX0600@UOFT02.utoledo.edu
as427@cleveland.freenet.edu        dgalvin@HEARTLAND.bradley.edu
ad785@yfn.ysu.edu                  DANIMAL@tso.uc.edu
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:39:52 GMT
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, gcarter@infoserv.ogi.edu writes:

> There was a comment earlier this weekend from Jobst 
> which I think implies he believes SPD pedals are one of 
> the best recent innovations in bicycling.  This got me to 
> thinking what I would consider the top five innovations of 
> the past ten or fifteen years.  I thought listing my own 
> choices might spark an interesting and lively discussion.  
> Here they are, in order of importance (most important is 
> first, etc.):
> 
> 1. Kevlar-belted tires

> Rationale:
> 
> 1. Kevlar-belted tires -- I only seem to get 10 to 20 percent 
> of the flats that I used to due to these tires.  This is a major 
> advance in my book.

Nice topic, but I couldn't disagree more about Kevlar tires.  I
got just as many flats with Kevlar belts as without them.  I think
they're totally worthless.  Thicker rubber works much better, IMHO.

My top 5ish, not in any particular order:
          

1) shock absorbing front forks for mtbs
2) STI for road bikes
3) SPD pedals for mtbs
4) aero bars
5) monococque carbon fiber bicycle frames
5ish) the Lotus superbike

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Why does this group still exist?
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:27:30 GMT

If the only other reorganization I've been involved in,
rec.arts.startrek, is any indication, this group is unlikely to
disappear at all.  The original r.a.s still exists, five months after
the rmgroup for it went out and nearly 10 months after the end of the
vote.  It gets about the same propagation as the newer (now the only
official) groups.  I suspect the r.b hierarchy will suffer the same
problem.

For the near future at least, realize that how sites handle newgroup
commands varies widely, and even though the control messages went out
over a week ago now, some sites still might not have implemented them.
The reason the rmgroup goes out months after the newgroups are issued
is because of this delay.
--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
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