HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (was Re: Blade Runner...(SPOILERS))
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:22:45 GMT

In article <a4hqbdkp@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:
>
>Try this for size. It has already been pointed out how significant the image
>of the EYE is in BR... EYE = LIFE.
>

	I happen to agree with Ridley.  If this was an intentional device,
	it was probably a cinematic device no to indicate a machine, but
	to indicate vitality, life.  Because the replicants as well as what
	are probably humans exhibit this projective trait, it shows how
	truly alive the man-made replicants are.  So, do androids dream?

	It is a well known fact, as another poster has mentioned, that the
	retina does have reflective properties, so a human can have glowing
	eyes under proper lighting.  You know of the case of the old
	"Red Eye" problem with photographs!  So, the film could have
	intentionally caused this glowing, or it could have been an 
	aftereffect that they decided to leave for effect.

	Finally, if the Replicants had this unique trademark (let's be 
	realistic here and not say that the audience can see more than
	the characters!), then there would not be any need for the
	VOID/COMP test which measures:

	"fluctuation of the...pupil.  Involunatry dilation of the iris."

	and the so-called blush response as Eldon Tyrell so well put it.



			anyway, back to you guys...

						Rob


					GENESIS:
				     "So don't tell anybody
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/  what I wanna do
	_/     _/  _/       _/     _/ If they find out 
	_/     _/  _/       _/        you know that Ripley will be there too
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   _/        Oh no no it's no fun
	_/   _/    _/       _/        being a Giger Alien
	_/    _/   _/       _/     _/ Oh no no it's no fun
	_/     _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/  being a Giger Alien" 
	Robert E. Casey  (mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu)
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Subject: Cast of Dracula AAAAAGH!!!
From: asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:41:28 PST
 <1992Sep1.154305.1@dac.mdcbbs.com> <1992Sep8.063604.5529@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: MDC - Douglas Aircraft, Long Beach, CA
Nntp-Posting-User: tsukroff

  If however Mr Reeves does begin to display
>>  cognizance in this movie I will retract any insult I delivered to his
>>  acting ability.  
> 
> And how much of Keanu Reeves have you seen?  Personally, I think River
> Phoenix would have been a better choice, but Keanu Reeves is not a BAD
> actor... Phoenix is just better (and simial looks and bearing).  Reeves
> was pretty entertaining in "I Love You to Death" (based on a TRUE story!)
> 
  Agreed that River Phoenix would have been a better choice in the same vein.
  I apologise for not actually looking first to see what role Mr Reeves
  would be playing here but I shudder to think that he will survive this
  movie in the case that they stick to the book.  Sorry I must disagree
  with you about "I Love You to Death" I didn't find it entertaining and 
  there wasn't much of a range necessary for the roles here.  If you 
  want to display talent then something in the vein of "My Own Private
  Idaho" is called for.  I stand by my opinion that someone better could
  have been cast in this role, surprising since the other choices seem
  pretty good.
  Asim
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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: HONEYMOON IN VEGAS
Date: 07 Sep 92 03:20:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

HONEYMOON IN VEGAS is a film directed and written by Andrew Bergman. It
stars James Caan, Nicolas Cage, Sarah Jessica Parker, with Pat Morita
and Ann Bancroft. Rated PG-13, for sexual situations.

HONEYMOON IN VEGAS is a romantic comedy with an excellent cast and a
first-rate director-writer. Andrew Bergman was once called by New York
magazine "The Unknown King of Comedy" for writing some very funny
comedies, such as BLAZING SADDLES, THE IN-LAWS, and SOAP DISH, inter
alia. In 1981 he stubbed his toe directing SO FINE, but in 1990 he did
the wonderful THE FRESHMAN, a much neglected and underappreciated gem
that starred Matthew Broderick and Marlon Brando (in one of the boldest
and bravest self-parodies I have ever seen).

Then we've got the considerable talents of the cast. James Caan,
looking slim and healthy, an actor who broke my heart by being
brilliant in THE GAMBLER and then pissing away his career for years, is
perfect as the charming, vicious gambler. Nicolas Cage, mercifully
minus his most mannered affections, is the straight man and plays it
without a single wink at the camera. Sarah Jessica Parker, who
impressed a lot of people in last year's L.A. STORY as the spacy,
hyperkinetic beach girl, SanDeE, is a lot smarter here, but still the
slightly dense, slightly innocent love interest of Caan and Cage.

The situation -- a boobish everyman caught up in the wiles of a
gangster and an increasingly absurd solution -- is familiar Bergman
territory. As if the basic situation were not absurd enough, Bergman
goes over the line with a running joke about Elvis impersonators that
culminates in a scene so full of plot holes and so unlikely as to
qualify as a contemporary version of the deus ex machina who has solved
so many dramatic and comedic situations throughout the history of
theater. There is also a problem with way Bergman handles his villain,
Caan's Tommy the gambler. He sets him up as a sympathetic, if
unprincipled, character, not unlike Brando's Godfather parody, and then
in the last ten minutes turns Tommy into the blackest and most vile of
men, destroying the dynamic and ambiguity that had made the rest of
film complex and interesting.

I recommend HONEYMOON IN VEGAS for its virtues and for its interesting
flaws, but you should go to a discount matinee to see them and it.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: ralphh@sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca (Ralph Hand)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: kevin bacon query
Keywords: kevin bacon
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:44:29 GMT


Can anyone out there give me alist of  kevin bacon movies and
especially an adress where he can be reached.

Many thanks in advance.

Ralph
From: m1wrp99@milo.uucp (William R. Palenske)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:57:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC


i hate to prolong a dying thread, but i'm surprised that no one
mentioned maurice evans.  he's my definition of `great voice.'
for those who may not know who he was, he played dr zaius (sp?)
in planet of the apes.  he was also on bewitched, a tv show which
i'd rather not talk about.  apparently, he was a well-known shakespearean
actor in his prime.  alas, i never saw him in that capacity.

i like james mason, too. 

-- 
   Bill Palenske            Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
   m1wrp99@fed.frb.gov      Washington, D.C.  20551
   uunet!fed!wrp            DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS ARE MY OWN.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: What are those Negroes doing with guns?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:38:39 GMT

In article <BD.92Sep4130252@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
>
>>BTW, if you really want
>>to see a liberal media roll-call, look at the celebrities that gave him
>>the money to finish.  I think Opera is on there, and she for one leans
>>so far to the left, she can't even walk straight!
>
>That's Oprah, fool.
>
>>You see signs of this
>>everywhere - hell, anyone voting for the socialist/democrats in November?
>
>Not only a fool, but an ignorant one at that!  If you can't see
>the difference between socialists and Democrats, then you know
>little or nothing about _either_.
>
>Try getting a political education from someone besides Rush Limbaugh.

In the first place, calling someone a fool because they misspelled
someone's name is uncalled for.  I'm sure there are people on the
planet whose names neither of us remember or care to remember.

In the second place, the poster did not say socialists and democrats
are the same.

In the third place, if you have a counterpoint to make, please do
and leave the emotionalism out of it.  It seems a bit out of character,
Brice.

GMS
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: What movies do to cities...
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:47:59 GMT

In article <UefXCKu00ioBM4TrJg@andrew.cmu.edu> Anish Bharat Bhimani <ab4n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
-> 
-> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.movies: 7-Sep-92 What movies do to
-> cities... rlwilliams@gallua.gallau (814)
-> 
-> 	I've seen this happen before. There was a movie with Gene Hackman 
-> which had him getting on the DC Subway and getting off in a station in 
-> baltimore!  Are there others?
-> 
-> 
-> I can't count the number of movies I've seen that are supposed to take
-> place in somewhere besides L.A., yet manage to have "Pacific Bell" pay
-> phones, freeway entrances to the 405 and 5 freeways, and an occasional
-> palm tree . . .
-> 
-> - Anish

	I remember watching Navy Seals and the only entertainment I
got from this movie was watching the scenes of Norfolk and Virginia
Beach, VA.  In one scene, they walk out of the door of some kind of
training center and end up looking over the Bay where there's not a
building anywhere close.  In another scene, a guy drives down the
resort strip at the ocean front, pulls over, and PARKS!  No searching
for 10 minutes; no feeding the meter; no getting ripped off by a
commercial lot; he just pulls over.  That blew the realism for me. 
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
From: mctsrj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: "Reservoir Dogs" review. See this film!
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:02:58 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Hi,
Having read Grant Friel's report from the Edinburgh Film Festival
(I actually met him on the stairs as I was waiting to see Bob
Roberst--small world--Hi Grant--) I thought I'd post some details
of an amazing film that I saw there.

Reservoir Dogs
(*** SOME SPOILERS ***)
Dir: Quentin Tarantino  (I think)
Leading Players : Harvery Keitel, Tim Roth, Chris Penn, Steve Buscemi

Wild At Heart was the last film I saw that provoked such a strong
audience reaction.  Within 20 minutes about a dozen people had walked
out to be followed later on as a no doubt cumulative effect took hold.
This is a VERY violent film, not Lethal Weapon, Aliens, Arnie violence,
but very real.  People scream in pain, bleed copiously in the most
disturbing of ways.  I'll set the scene:

A gang of professional criminals are gathered together for a large
bank heist.  They all wear black suits, white shirts, black ties and
are called Mr White, Mr Brown ('Hey, I dont want to be Mr Brown - it
sounds like shit'), Mr Yellow etc.  The film opens as they deconstruct
the lyrics to 'Like a Virgin' and 'True Blue' - this is hilarious,
although very rude.

Within 10 minutes each character has been clearly defined and we wait
to find out what is going to happen to them.  Suddenly we know:
(** SPOILER PARAGRAPH **)
The heist has gone wrong, and Tim Roth is lying in the back of a car
with a gunshot wound to the stomach.  Everyone in the cinema will be
squirming in pain too.  Harvey Keitel has to drive him to the meeting
place.
(*** END SPOILER **)

We then learn about the episode from conversations between Roth, Keitel
and Buscemi, and flashbacks concerning how the team is put together,
which gives us further insight into each character.

The script and acting are impeccable.  We get a blend between House of
Games and Good Fellas - sharp brutal dialogue and very brutal violence.
This is not an easy film to watch (stunned silence was the audience
reaction at the end)  and there is one MAJOR logical plot problem
(which I'd like ot chat about with anyone who's seen it).  BUT with
cast, script and visuals like this its very much worth the effort.

Male bonding with guns, blood, violence and swearing - unlikely
to be coming to too many cinemas near you.

Steve Jones
Dept Computer Science
Dundee Inst of Technology
Bell Street Dundee Scotland
---------------------------

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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: pretty woman / Whore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:38:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom

bart@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bart Gold) writes: 

>      Earlier, I did nominate cape fear as most annoying in terms of just
> being painful to watch, but i agree with Pretty Woman as the most overall
> societally annoying film (everyone who loved that film should be made to
> watch 'Whore', by ken russel)

I went out and rented "Whore" on similar advice. I thought it would have
been really good if they hadn't made Theresa Russell do that ridiculously
over-exaggerated dubbing of the movie. It was as if she were doing the part
and someone kept saying "no, too understated. More! I want more!" until it
had gone far past the range of decent acting. She sounded like she was doing a
comedy sendup or something. I *did* rent it from Blockbuster, is it
possible there were two versions of this movie? Because her facial expressions
and actions seemed right from what I remember, but the dialogue was buffoonish
and it was very clear it had been looped. (And yes I know better than to
get a movie associated with sex from Blockbuster but none of the other
places in my area had it at all).

Still, trying to "listen past" the campy vocal delivery, I thought the piece
itself sounded very dark and ironic and jaded, a completely different tone.
Can anyone tell me the book/play (?) it came from? I would like to read it.

Ellen
From: rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Howard's End
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:40:03 GMT
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Organization: Tigana Restoration Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



	Howard's End should be a shoe in for a Oscar for best picture.  I was
	astonished at how beautiful this film was.  At its heart, the one 
	concept that leaps out at me was that of forgiveness.  Margarat's 
	greatest stregth is her ability to forgave others for their fault.
	And I believe that Henry Wilcox, at the end of the movie, finally
	realized his mistakes, and was forgiven by her.  In contrast,
	Charles, his eldest child did not come close to seeing his errors. 

	I was glad that the filmmaker allows the audience to believe that 
	Charles will escape justice for a moment.  
-- 
[ Rodrick Su           ]-----------------------------------------------------] 
[----------------------[ A bomb lives only as it is falling.		     ] 
[ rod@cats.ucsc.edu    ]------------------------[ ``Use of Weapons''         ] 
[ rod@ucscb.ucsc.edu   ]------------------------[   Iain M. Banks            ]
From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:44:47 GMT
Subject: The Dead List (Ch-F) Part II of V
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: ydacheun@watcgl.UWaterloo.CA (Ada Cheung)
Subject: GIF pictures
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:43:02 GMT

Does anybody know where to get GIF pictures of movie stars?


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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: howard's end...GYUCK!
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:28:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.195810.119248@marshall.wvnet.edu> rcbi27@marshall.wvnet.edu (DBRUM) writes:
>Substancially weak and overly precious, H.E. is more like a comedy without
>any jokes than a serious Edwardian (or whatever era) morality play. Compare
>it to something like RAGTIME, which in some quadrants garnered only ***.
>
>In a way H.E. reminds me of Huston's THE DEAD. Lots of hoopla, lots of
>accolades from Huston-admiring critics, beautifully filmed and full of
>proven talents, but flat.

I, on the other hand, found "The Dead" to be beautifully rounded, rather
than flat.  And very moving.  "Ragtime", in my opinion, had the
dimensions of a souffle after a Concorde had flown by - a very 
disappointing adaptation of a fine novel.  I also put myself on the
side of the admirers of "Howard's End".  In particular, I find it odd
that complaints about it center on the plot, or supposed lack thereof,
since that did not seem to me to be anything like a weak point of the film.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:12:04 GMT

In <5981@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:

>I just picked up a 32-page hardbound called "The Fail-Safe Fallacy," by
>Sidney Hook. It argues against the plausibility of the situation in the
>book and movie. If there's any interest, I'll summarize the argument.

I'd be interested... 
-- 
gary cooper (not the dead one)     "Non Dignis Sum!" - Waynus and Gartus
From: phd85@keele (D.H. Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: dracula
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:55:45 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

Hi,
    does anybody no the release date for this movie.
		Dave.

--
Dave.
phd85@uk.ac.keele.seq1
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Suspense in Aliens (Re: Alien 3 - A Real Good Movie)
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.145239.41790@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>What??  You mean you thought you went to to go see the sequel, in which you
>knew before hand that it should be about the Alien creatures, and you 
>thought the first time that something else was going to happen??? Like, maybe,
>Daffy Duck had killed everyone???

Actually, my vote was for Elmer Fudd...

>That was the major difference to me between
>1 and 2.  Alien was a suspense movie where you really DIDN'T know what the 
>Alien looked like, nor what to expect, nor when to expect it.  Aliens was more
>of an action movie, where you knew that she was going back to kill Aliens,
>and, between the title and the fact that about 2 dozen Marines were going with
>here, you had to (I hope) figure it was more than 1 Alien this time.  

Not 2 dozen, probably only a dozen.  Yes, I know, picky picky...

Personally, I felt Cameron did an excellent job of generating an air
of suspense and tension, considering the audience KNOWS what the Alien
looks like and Ripley KNOWS what the Alien looks like.  He could've
just said, "Aw, hell, what's the point, people already know what it
looks like, let's just start blazing away."  But he didn't.  He gave
the Aliens a new aspect we didn't see in the first movie - still way
lethal, but capable of working as a group.  We arrive at the colony
and we know something's wrong but we're not sure what.  The audience
expects the Aliens to be the cause of all this trouble, but we only
gradually learn what has happened.  We enter the Alien Hive the first
time without knowing exactly what it is; even though we expect the Aliens
to eventually munch these people, we still don't know when or how they'll
do it.

I'll agree that not knowing anything about the Alien in Alien made that
movie more suspenseful than its sequel.  But claiming Aliens had no suspense
is a disservice to Cameron's efforts, IMHO.
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
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Subject: Re: Dune, embarrassing?
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:39:11 GMT
 <1992Sep9.144813.27448@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <cwsn_zb.jrs@netcom.com>
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: n

In <cwsn_zb.jrs@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.144813.27448@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
>>
>>Can someone PLEASE tell me what those big whales floating around in space
>>were?  Its been a while since I've read the book or seen the movie, but
>>tha one aspect of the film kind of stuck with me.  Weree the whales in 
>>Dune in any way related to that huge salami that came for all the whales
>>in Star Trek IV?????
>>
>>What gives??

>Ahem. If YOU had listened carefully to the entire movie (long version, 
>that is), and had read all six of Herbert's Dune books, you would know 
>that those "whales" as you call them are the space guild navigators whose
>use of the spice has transformed them into non-human life forms. :-)

They're not exactly non-human. After all, to become the Kwisatz Haderach,
one _must_ be human. "Remove your hand from the box...young human."
They just have a different perspective on diet and hobbies :-)

>John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
>                           | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
>74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
>jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.


-- 
Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins: Aids: Died yesterday.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: aids,physcho
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:59:58 GMT

In article <sheppamj.716406490@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>, sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes...
> just got confirmation from good old CNN.  Anthony Perkins has dies from
> complications resulting from AIDS.
> 
> This is the first occurance of a famous person contracting the disease
> and having it run it's course and the media NOT making a show of it.

I dunno, same thing happened to Brad Davis long before...I bet there's others.

Rno
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From: maube@emr.ca (Martin Aub (CPB))
Subject: Comments on siesta
Organization: CPCS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:02:56 GMT

If I remember well, Mary Lambert directed Siesta.  She is responsible for 
the direction in Pet Semetary II
-- 
Martin Aube
maube@emr1.emr.ca
----------------------------
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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: <None>
Summary: Minor Correction
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.112232.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
> In article <1992Sep15.143627.15494@cs.tulane.edu>, jordan@cs.tulane.edu 
> (Misti Jordan) writes:
> > In article <18r4k9INNqbg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
> >(Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
> 
> >> The Princess Bride
> > 
> > You didn't like this movie?!?!?!
> > 
> > INCONCEIVABLE!
Shouldn't that be "Incontheivable!" ?  Wallace Shawn's lisp is a definite
part of the characters he plays; it should be left intact at all times.
> 
> "You keep usin tha word, I don not thin it means what you thin it means..."
> 
> Greg Bole                                         

Frank (A Wallace Shawn fan)
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