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From: suec@watson.ibm.com (Sue Christy)
Subject: Re: Falk, K-9 cop, shot & lives
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:26:29 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

As a resident of Danbury, I can happily say that I am looking forward to
meeting Falk and giving him my sincerest THANK YOU (and maybe a cookie).

Sue
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From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: why are so many dalmations deaf?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:11:15 GMT


I think deafness is somewhat linked to white color.  The only other
breeds I've heard of with a high rate of deafness are white Bull Terriers
and Argentine Dogos (which are white too).

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Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:34:53 GMT

r hardin writes:
> facts about the mental state of another are so hard to come by

Correct.  Good thing we don't need them to train desired behaviors, or
to prevent or solve behavior problems.

-- Jon
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Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: More on Tattoos
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:11:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Nov16.171112.3131
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)



Just to add another sample of data...


  Yesterday, my wife and I had our two Sheltie puppies (just under 8
months old) tattooed.  The work was performed by Rosemary Wortman of
Baldwinville, MA.  Rosemary does tattooing clinics at shows, clubs,
training classes, and vets' offices; however, we had a "private"
session at her house.

  Our pups' reactions were pretty much the same as when they get shots
at the vet.  A fair amount of shivering by both, and some struggling
by one.  Clearly, the thing they didn't like was being held on their
side by three people.  I'm sure the grooming table reminded them of
the vet's examining table.  I saw no visible reactions to the electric
shaver used to clear a patch on the inside of the thigh, nor were
there any reactions to the tattooing pen.

  We used no sedatives nor topical anesthesia.  Based on what we saw,
this was the right choice, at least for our dogs.

  We are very happy with Rosemary's work.  She charges $8 per dog, and
there is also the $38 (just raised from $35), one-time registration
fee for the National Dog Registry.

  The high point of the day was seeing our two little Shelties meet
Rosemary's pack of Irish Wolfhounds.  We met a few adults and two
2.5-month-old puppies.  Puppy personality and 60+ pounds of body
weight add up to an interesting combination!


Bill Chiarchiaro
wjc@ll.mit.edu
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Subject: Falk, K-9 cop, shot & lives
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:10:04 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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This is a local news story that really touched me.  Thought I'd share.

Falk, a beautiful 4-year-old GSD, was shot in the neck in the line of duty
Wednesday, while working for the Danbury, CT (USA) police department.

Falk's (human) partner had responded to a report of a suspect shooting a gun in
a side-street downtown.  Since it was dark, and there was no one in sight when
the police officer arrived, he called on Falk to help find the suspect.  Falk
did, indeed, identify the place where the suspect was hiding.  As the officer
moved in to arrest him, the suspect shot Falk in the neck.  The officer
exchanged gunfire with the suspect, but the suspect got away.  (He was later
arrested, however.)

Falk was taken immediately to emergency surgery to repair a bullet wound to his
jugular vein.  Amazingly, he lived, and he is expected to make a full recovery! 
His trainer (and partner) says that Falk will eventually return to police work
when he has fully recovered. :-)

Apparently, the folks of Danbury feel that when a member of the police force
has been shot in the line of duty, they owe him their thanks.  It doesn't
matter whether the member of the police force is human or canine.  Today the
Danbury police headquarters has been flooded with calls, letters, gifts and
cards for Falk, wishing him a speedy recovery, and inquiring when he might have
visitors(!)  Falk may go home from the veterinary hospital as early as Friday
to continue his convalescence at home.

I was proud of the local media for covering this news story as seriously as if
it had been a human police officer wounded in the line of duty.
 


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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From: lfarrell@lfarrell.src.utah.edu (Laura Farrell)
Subject: Schutzhund Training
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:49:21 GMT

I am looking into getting a puppy and going through obedience and
possibly Schutzhund training with it.  I am interested in a breed 
that was developed from the Pit Bull and various breeds of Mastif
(I'm guessing around 24", I know around 90lbs for adult males, white
color sometimes with eye patches like a Pit Bull).  It is being 
called the American Bulldog (not AKC recognized).

Is anyone out there familiar with this kind of dog?

What are some opinions of Schutzhund trained dogs, especially
regarding their interaction with kids and people in general?

Thanks in advance
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: SF BAy area lure coursing:  help!
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:39:51 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Howdy, all.  Is there anyone on the net in the SF BAy area who is involved
 in lure coursing?  If so, please email me as I am interested in
introducing our dog to lure coursing for fun.  I would like to find a lure
coursing group that is amenable to newcomers to the sport.  Ideally, this
would be a group that is centered on having fun with their dogs, as
opposed to proving who has the world's fastest sloughi or afghan or borzoi
, etc.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but we don't have a sight
hound, just a dog that is keen on chasing small, prey-like objects, so we
won't be in competitive mode, just fun mode--if indeed he relates to a
lure at all.  I'd just like to find out if Raleigh would enjoy it, and I
can understand how a super-competitive group of enthusiasts might not have
time for novices.

Maybe a local group might have fun matches or "introduction to the sport"
days.  Anyway, if anyone is associated with lure coursing, or has a name/
phone number or address, please let me know.  Posting is fine, but please
email me as well, as I  cannot always keep up with the net.

As far as location, we are in Pleasanton, but anything from Petaluma to
Sacramento to Modesto to Gilroy to Monterey back up to Petaluma is close
enough for us.

Thanks, bws
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From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dirty Paws!
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:12:14 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Nov13.082445.2022@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca>, steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca writes:
> What does the net do about dirty paws?
> 
> We have a 5.5mo golden that is, and always will be, an indoor dog.
> 
> We let her out to take care of business and, depending on the weather, when we
> let her back in, we have to clean her paws.  Most times, a wipe with a towel
> isn't good enough so we carry her to the tub to wash her paws.  This isn't too
> much of a problem at 47lbs but I expect her to get bigger.
> 
> I was thinking there must be a better way.
> 
> Are there such things as "Dog Boots"?  I would put them on before she went out
> and take them off when she came in.  No more dirty floors/carpets!!!
> 
> Do these things exist?  Does anyone use them?  Do they stay on?  What do you
> do?
> 
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Alright, so this isn't a helpful suggestion or anything, but the words "dog
boots" brought back a very funny memory that i just *have* to share.  My
old beagle Barney (alright, alright, I named him when I was 4yo) used to
have problems getting ice stuck in his pads, so we bought a pair of rubber
dog boots (well, that answered one question--they do exist).  Picture if you
will--beagle with boots on, along with the most embarrassed look I have ever
seen on a dog.  And it took him forever to shake the darn things off.  Ho ha
hee hee.  Boy, that was funny!!!  But anyway, I hope someone has a good 
suggestion for you.  Dog boots are a humiliating thing to do to a dog.
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why are so many dalmations deaf?
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:20:53 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov15.191115.6945@infonode.ingr.com>, bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
> 
> I think deafness is somewhat linked to white color.  The only other
> breeds I've heard of with a high rate of deafness are white Bull Terriers
> and Argentine Dogos (which are white too).
> 

White cats also tend to have a high instance of deafness.

Sue

> ------------
> Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
> Intergraph Corporation                                  
> bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: st1pt@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Caution about heating dog house
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:34:42 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1pt@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

Someone mentioned using a light bulb to help heat as dog house...
I just wanted to urge caution when doing this.  Just yesterday
in the local neighborhood paper, there was a picture and caption
about a family whose house burned down (they lost almost everything).
The dogs woke the family up by barking so nobody was hurt (thankfully :)
but the fire was started by a light bulb used to heat the dog house.

I don't know what kind of light bulb they used or what should be
used, but thought it might be wise to be careful.

Stay warm, but stay safe!

--
Amy Shinpaugh
st1pt@jetson.uh.edu
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Subject: Roll over, Pavlov.
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:59:29 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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Just FYI, I posted a question to sci.psychology, and got this response:

From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto

In article <1992Nov21.132641.449@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>
>There's been a debate going on in rec.pets.dogs that is driving me *nuts*, over
>whether or not one must have a model (or a guess, or knowledge, or whatever) of
>what a dog is *thinking* in order successfully to train it, or whether just
>being able to observe its *behavior* is enough.
>
The whole point of the behaviorist movement was that you did not. In fact,
many behaviorists claimed that there was no such thing as thinking to model.
The experimental facts seem to show, however, that there are many associations
that are much more difficult to condition than others. This points to the
existence of something more than a "black box" mediating the learning of
such associations.  Behaviorists have a series of explanations for this
problem as well (most of which amount to, "it's not our problem; it's the
problem of the brain scientists/evolutionary theorists"). Also, there are
very few real behaviorists left in psychology (they call themselves
"experimental behavior analysts" now), though they always claim their
numbers are growing. Almost veryone believes that an understanding of
an organism's "cognition" is crucial to understanding it behavior (provided
of course you're interested in animals much above the frog in the phylogenetic
scale).


-- 
Christopher D. Green                christo@psych.toronto.edu
Psychology Department               cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A1

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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: gwo215@huxley.anu.edu.au (Geoffrey W Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Lifespan of Irish Wolfhounds
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:30:15 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
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Originator: gwo215@huxley


Does anyone have any knowledge of particularly long lived Irish Wolfhounds?
I was talking to a lady the other day whose old dog had died after he was just
over 14 years old. This is the oldest I've heard of and was wondering if there
is a trend at all towards longer lifespans in Irish wolfhounds, as most texts,
and personal experience have shown 8-10 years is the normal lifespan. This is
not very encouraging when my present bitch is 7 1/2 years old. Any comments?

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From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:12:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Mutts vs. Purebreds
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I have also always been told this and believe it to be true.  This doesn't
mean that I have anything against purebreds, or that this is the majority
of purebreds (I have 2 purebreds myself right now). 

I have always been told that mutts are sturdier and purebreds more PRONE
to health problems.  I believe that they(?) attribute this to in-breeding
in purebreds.  It does seem somewhat reasonable when you listen to people
who are really into a particular breed talk about the breed.  The same
sire/bitch names always seem to come up.

I have a pure Akita and Golden Retriever right now, and although I 
wouldn't trade either of them for anything, I have nothing but health
problems with the Akita since day 1 ('high maintenance' my vet calls
her).  The Golden hasn't been too bad health-wise.

But prior to these 2 I had a mutt that I never had problems with.

Just a thought!
Kim
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From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: What human foods should dogs not eat (besides chocolate)?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:10:04 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas


Not a human food -- but I understand dogs will eat cocoa hull *mulch*, and
can  die of it.  Same stuff as in chocolate, naturally.

So be careful what you mulch your garden with, too.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth

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From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: Is my puppy sick?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:53:29 GMT

AH, the weekly question of ALL puppy owners!  I
was a pathetic mush when my dogs were pups - all
they did was look at my sideways and I was SURE
they were sick!

I usually gave my pups 48 hours of un-enthusiastic
behavior and then brought a stool sample to the
vet.  It NEVER failed - as soon as the vet's office
called to say it was clear, the dog was back to
normal!

There were a few times where, yes, they had worms,
which I think is one of the most common ailments in
pups - they can make them tired, listless, not hungry,
etc.

I'd bring a stool sample to the vet and get it checked.
(this was almost a monthly occurance at our house!)

Ellen


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From: jmm7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.M. Maurer)
Subject: Re: hip dysplasia
Originator: jmm7076@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:47:25 GMT

How about Shepard mixes?  I have been looking into a Shepard and have 
heard of the Shepard Lab Mix.  From what I hear they have the looks
and structure of the GSD and the diffused temperment of the Lab, and 
a heartier resistance to Hip Displacia.  Any comments??
From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Question about Schutzhund Training
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA



In article <rasmussenc.53.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> you write:
|>Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
|
|>>What are some opinions of Schutzhund trained dogs, especially
|>>regarding their interaction with kids and people in general?
|>
|>I have a question along this line.  Yesterday, I was talking to an owner
|>of a doberman puppy with whom she is "doing Shutzhund".  She said that 
|>she tells people that if they want to come over to her house they better
|>be prepared for a 5 month old puppy jumping all over them because she's not
|>reprimanding him or trying to discourage this due to the Shutzhund training.
|>
|>Is this true?  Does Shutzhund training mean no obedience training?  I get 
|>the impression she is trying to "let the dog be himself".  Won't she end up
|>with a monster?
|>
|>-Chris Rasmussen
|>

Chris,

I was actually thinking about this issue on the way to work
this morning!Nearly all people in Schutzhund do not do any 
formal obedience with their dogs until 18  months or so. There
are various camps as to how much manners a potential Schutzhund
dog should have.

The basic idea is to allow the dog to grow up without any
inhibitions and to develop confidence. Then as the dog is
more mature, it learns the restrictions is must now live with.

Personally, I believe that every puppy, whether it is destined
for work or not, can and should learn basic manners (through
positive motivation/lure training, without physical corrections).
Doing so will not ruin the dog for Schutzhund training if it is
done well.

For example, during protection you have alot of contact between the
dog and the helper. The dog basically jumps up on the helper. If a
dog has been taught NEVER to jump on someone, it may have difficulty
(at first) with that part of the exercise. What should be taught
is that there is a command in which you are allowed to jump on
the person. And practice turning the dog on and off.

Many people in Schutzhund would disagree with this philosphy
because they believe it will hurt the dog's spirit and dampen
drives. If you use only positive reinforcement for the pup
however, you will not hurt their drives at all. In fact, you
can actually increase the drive by making the dog anticipate the
command.

The "no manners" is rather entrenched in the Schutzhund world right
now. It is not a requirement however, I don't believe the Dobie
will grow up to be a monster. Rather, it will probably always be
a nuisance when company comes over. :-)

--
Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton,MA
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:03:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Comment-To: Robbin_Huls@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  It was a common practice in ancient times to kill a messenger that
brought news someone didn't want to hear.  Evidently, you are closely
related to those who promoted this sort of thing.
  If someone has a very old or very sick pet, I believe it is wrong to
give people false hope.  I take it you have been unpleasant toward me
because I will tell people when a situation doesm'
doesn't look hopeful.
  I believe that people should be aware of the common incidence of hip
displasia before they purchase breeds that so often suffer from the
affliction.  Many people choose (as you put it) German Shepards (sic)
dispite the fact that many of them have hip problems.  If they are
going into it with their eyes open, and already Know the dog my carry
this malady, many will Still buy this breed.
  It does no one any good to trivialize the incidence or seriousness
of what you have refered to as "hip displasia (sic).
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