HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: New Threaded News-Reader and Companion Editor
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:20:10 GMT

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:

>I ran across these 2 files on the MSDOS-Ann mailing list today.
>Odd that nothing has been said in up to this point in c.b.w.

>I don't have FTP access.  If anyone snarfs these 2 files, I'd
>sure appreciate sneding them my way.

rusn is available on halcyon.com.  the other one looks like a
hack on bbstevie's latest release.  send mail to our server
at archive-server@halcyon.com with the lines help and index
in the text of the message.

NOTE: if you live downstream of Bruce Becker, don't bother, as
his site refuses to pass greater than ~20K messages or files
to his uucp neighbors.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: RN updates JOIN, but...?
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:01:30 GMT

In article <iq6VTB1w165w@prag.com> su@prag.com (Sean D. Ackley) writes:
|2: How can I save files (via the :w filename  command) to other
|directories on my system.  i.e.   :w c:\temp.lst, :w p:\temp.lst  .

Be a sysop.  (i.e. your priv level is 9).

  Bill
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: external editors
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:50:03 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

noam@xyz.hacktic.nl (Noam Kloos) writes:

> What is it with external editors for callers?
> I had no problem setting up quick edit as console editor, but
> I can't get an editor to work over the modem line.

Problem is, most editors use direct screen writes. This means that it puts
the information directly into screen memory, rather than to trust the
hardware to put it where it's appropriate. This makes it impossible to use
over a modem.

...From a tiny little node called Eternal!
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From: dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FIDO gateway!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:14:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: twiki.eVk2TB1w165w
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

psyline@psyline.nl (Theo Bogels) writes:

> I'd like these examples for FD. By the way, I canNOT reach you by email, 
> everything is bounced back!

  Below are the relevant portions of my mailer batch file for FrontDoor.  I
set the exit errorlevel to 210 for the string sent by UUCP callers to get
through FD to Waffle.  I'm not running FD at this time, but this works and
I can switch back to FD in about 30 minutes (the time it takes to 'port' my
mailer batch file from Binkley and get it all working again for FD).  I
keep FD on my hard disk as a backup mailer.

ECHO OFF
CLS
:RESTART
D:
CD \FD
FD
IF ERRORLEVEL 210 GOTO EXT-MAIL
GOTO END
:EXT-MAIL
WAFFLE ONLINE 19200
IF ERRORLEVEL 100 GOTO WAFUUCP
DTR COM2: OFF
DTR COM2: ON
GOTO RESTART
:WAFUUCP
UUCICO -r0
DTR COM2: OFF
DTR COM2: ON
AT COM2: M0H1
UUXQT
BATCH
GOTO RESTART
:END
AT COM2: H1
CLS

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From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Waffle Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:19:02 GMT

guys, can you all please either read the darn FAQ
or read the /waffle/docs directory, or both ?

there's LOTS of noise these days regarding simple
questions that are explained in excruciating detail
in one, or both, of the sources...

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle source distribution -what do you REALLY get?
Keywords: rn news next groups sig mail
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: willard.qie2TB1w165w
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho) writes:

> Again from legal.doc. As I stated in our mail discussion, the following lines
> (at least IMHO) talk about source code, not about distribution binaries.
> 
> !  Waffle's UUCICO is derived from DCP, a package released
> !  to the public in 1987. Because it is based on DCP, source
> !  for those portions are available by request.

We covered that already.  I suppose you might have missed our discussion
of whether ANYONE has received the source for UUCICO... the question still
still stands.  I've not heard from anyone who claims to have received the
sources for UUCICO from Tom.  I am NOT asking anyone other than Tom to
provide me the sources.  I'm just wondering aloud as to whether that
request has ever been made, and whether anyone reading this group has
the Waffle UUCICO source code.

> 
> >( Isn't it about time someone changed the Subject: header to reflect
> >  what it is we're actually talking about? )
> Done. Why didn't you do this yourself?
> 
> ..Wolf

I'm just too damned lazy, I suppose.  Additionally, I was thinking of
thread continuity.  Changing "Subject" headers tend to make that sort of
thing suffer..
.

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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Transferring mails to a newsgroup
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:15:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybrspc.X9oqTB5w165w
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

[about mail>news wierdness and empty message bodies]

> Let me add my voice to Greg's.  It works just nifty here.  As a matter of
> fact, I'm gating mail->newsgroups for 7 different mailing lists.  I post
> often, and feed the "fake" newsgroups to a neighboring system.
> 
> > Someone else posted that they can get it to work using the internal
> > editor.  I tried and it works.
> 
> Hmm.  I can post just fine with internal editor, as well as bbstevie and
> MKS vi.

I, too, gate a few lists to news.  And _posting_ works just nifty.
However (and I just confirmed this by testing), if you send mail to the
alias name from within Waffle, using an external editor, the body of the
message is lost.

> eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:
> >     Freeing up memory seems to fix this problem.
> >     Reducing buflines & numlist in STATIC and/or using SHROOM.
> 
> I think you've put your finger squarely on it!  This must be a memory
> problem (otherwise known as a configuration error?).  What's MEM say when
> you call it from the Waffle command prompt?  Mine says:
> 
>     Memory: 206280

Mine reports almost 280K free, but the bug is repeatable.  It only
occurs when sending _mail_ to the alias name.  Posting to that group
will work just fine.
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          "Does that not fit in with your plans?"
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho)
Subject: Re: Waffle source distribution -what do you REALLY get?
Organization: NullNet r.y.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:24:01 GMT
Keywords: rn news next groups sig mail

In article <1992Nov6.213419.29093@morpheus.bsan.bls.com> dawson@morpheus.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:
>jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho) writes:
>
>>Please DO read your documentation.. .../waffle/docs/legal.doc:
>
>><<A lot of text removed..>>
>
>[ Totally unnecessary and irrelevant section from LEGAL.DOC deleted ]
>
>Get a clue.  We've been discussing the purchase of source code, not the
>redistribution of executable files.  I most certainly do read the excellent
>documentation.  I should hope that could be assumed to be a given at this
>late point in time!
>
Again from legal.doc. As I stated in our mail discussion, the following lines
(at least IMHO) talk about source code, not about distribution binaries.

!  Waffle's UUCICO is derived from DCP, a package released
!  to the public in 1987. Because it is based on DCP, source
!  for those portions are available by request.

>( Isn't it about time someone changed the Subject: header to reflect
>  what it is we're actually talking about? )
Done. Why didn't you do this yourself?

..Wolf
From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Transferring mails to a newsgroup
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 19:03:07 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

> > > Posting to that group will work just fine.
> > 
> > Posting? Then how do the people who sub to that mailing list via MAIL
> > get the post? By sending a newsgroup via mail? Kldugeorama!
> 
> Not exactly.  I set /mod=mail.list.address.  I thought it was kind of
> natural.

It is, but thats MAILING to the newsgroup, not POSTING directly. You
could setup a mailing list like that, to post directly, then feed the
mailing list by "feeding news via mail" to all the subbers. Thats what I
meant by KLUDGEORAMA.

As it is, posting by mail to a newsgroup (ie via /mod=&c) doesnt work -
it wont let the local group have the article, but everyone remote gets
it.

> Don't think so.  I think this a genuine insect.
> 
> > Note that remote users have NO PROBLEMS with this, their mail gets gated
> > out to all the other remote users, and I get a copy in the local.group.
> 
> That's just because the remote users are all using the built-in editor,
> isn't it?  I'd be surprised if they could use an external editor without
> the same problems as the console.

Oops. remote users. I meant REMOTE SUBSCRIBERS to the mailing list.
Actually, remote users works too, since they do use the built in editor.

(I'm 100 posts behind, all this is probably discussed ahead, but, noting
the weak newsreading ability of waffle, I'd rather post for redundancy
than to forget to post at all in the advent of no one else talking about
this, tho thats unlikely. Apoglodites. :)

/kc


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From: owen@lakes.trenton.sc.us (UN Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle and os2speed, a correction
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 06:25:36 EST
Reply-To: owen@lakes.trenton.sc.us (UN Owen)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

I need to proof read my posts before saving.

I asked earlier about why Waffle would not detect os2speed, a 
program to make a desqview aware program think desqview was 
running and give up timeslices, and said I had added "disable : 
dos desqview" to my static file.  I meant I added "multitask : dos 
desqview" to the static file.  Waffle sees the dos part and 
reports such when doing the MEM command, but does not see desqview 
as being installed.  Os2speed does "fool" other programs like X00, 
and onhook/offhook into believing desqview is operating.
From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: rot(13) posting
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:04:18 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group

Is this the only way to post in rot(13)?

heres what I do:

1) post normally.
2) read my post
3) rot(13) it with x.
4) write it to a file
5) substitute that file in the appropriate directory
6) batch.

There must be an easier way^H^H^H....^H There must be a patch around?

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The 14 year old net.comm.genius. | Disclaimer: I don't know COBOL.
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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:19:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxA9ov.EKs
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

In article <V6ksTB6w165w@tcscs.UUCP> srcsip!tcscs!zeta writes:
>If it is set up right, then the phones roll over on busy AND no answer after 
>x number of rings.   If there is a dead node, then as long as the modem does
>not answer it should roll over, but it'll just ring a few times longer.

That depends on the switch. I have had the situation where the primary
line was open between the switch and my premises, and the line would
ring and ring and ring (but no voltage made it to the phone). I had to
use another line to call the first and leave it ringing all day. We had
been wondering why we hadn't been getting many calls -- the only calls
that were making it through were those who called while someone was
trying to call already, thus making the first line busy.

As for it being RIGHT to rollover on no-answer, I certainly would not
want it to do that. It would drive my PBX nuts, and the people who were
trying to answer the phone, too.
From: dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle source distribution -what do you REALLY get?
Keywords: rn news next groups sig mail
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:00:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: twiki.HFk4TB1w165w
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> sources for UUCICO from Tom.  I am NOT asking anyone other than Tom to
> provide me the sources.  I'm just wondering aloud as to whether that
> request has ever been made, and whether anyone reading this group has
> the Waffle UUCICO source code.

  I've asked for the UUCICO source a couple of times but never gotten it.
I also haven't pressed Tom for it either because I haven't really needed
it.  I just wanted to see it and how it was put together.  My main project
right now is getting Linux up and running here.  I had to get a different
SCSI controller (UltraStor 14F) because Linux doesn't support what I have
now (Always Technology IN-2000).

  Once I get Linux up and running here, I will be REAL interested in seeing
if I can get Waffle to run under it too which means I'll have to purchase
the source code (at its very reasonable price).  I won't be converting
everything here over to Linux, because I just can't since I run several
things that source isn't available for.  However, I can definiteley see
myself converting my entire Waffle setup over to run under Linux if I can
eventually get Waffle ported over.

  Giving Wafflemania Unlimited its own computer that I can also use while it is running would definitely be a
positive move.  It would take some of the load off my present system and
make the other sections easier to get at - I presently run four separate
BBS packages here.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MODERATING THEM ALL
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:16:08 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
Summary: Backbone sites dump messages without an Approved: header in mod. gruops

mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
> In article <BxA9z4.Eo9@news.orst.edu>, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Sta
> > In article <1992Nov5.230103.342@et.tudelft.nl> mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
> >>
> >>Unhappily I do NOT get all posted news from other nodes under our subdomain
> >>as mail, but the messages pass our system to our feed without my interferen
> >>
> >>I don't think this is what is meant by 'moderating'. What should I do to be
> >>a complete moderator, not only for messages posted on our system, but also
> >>for messages that pass our system ?
> > 
> > You cannot become the moderator for messages that 'pass your system'.
> > That is not how moderation works. The only way for you to be the
> > moderator of a group is for EVERY system to know that you are the
> > moderator. Otherwise, they will enter the article into news instead of
> > mailing it to you.
> 
> Then what about real-moderated newsgroups ? International newsgroups that 
> are moderated ? If one site decides not to mark it as moderated, messages
> can get posted anyway... There would be no use in moderating it, because
> it's moderation is avoidable....
> 

True, messages can get posted in moderated mainstream groups if they're
not marked as moderated on the originating site.

However, most backbone sites will dump messages in moderated groups
if they don't carry an "Approved: Foo@bar" in the headers.

UUnet produces a weekly list of junked messages due to bad headers,
postings in moderated groups, etc. - Read news.admin to see it.

A fair percentage of the "Unapproved messages in moderated groups"
originate on waffle sites, and most "Whitespace in newsgroups line"
do too, so some sys admins do need to have their wrists slapped. ;)



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Dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz        And this ghost of your other lover walked in
Dawghaus BBS +64 6 357-9245       And stood there.
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                                                        - Laurie Anderson
From: jholmes@mcb.com (jim holmes)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Telebit Worldblazer
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:49:25 -0500
Reply-To: jholmes@mcb.com
Organization: Message Center

Has anyone out there in Waffle land came up with a good working set of setting for a 
Telebit worldblazer? Thanks..
-jlh

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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FIDO gateway!!!
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 13:47:03 PST
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

> Now, for you to call him would be a bit more complicated on his side, since
> he'd have to set up his fido mailer to understand uucico calling in.

  It isn't as complicated as you might think.  In fact, it's quite easy
with BinkleyTerm and not much more difficult with FrontDoor.  I actually
did get Waffle to run from FrontDoor for UUCP calls.

   Both of these mailers have the facility to trigger and external exit
based on a string sent from the remote caller.  You just tell the calling
system's Sysop to look for a certain string and send the trigger string you
specify.  From there your mailer batch file needs to call up Waffle (via
EXTMAIL.BAT in the case of Binkley, from the mailer's batch file for
FrontDoor).

   In the case of FrontDoor, the key is to load Waffle with the
command "WAFFLE ONLINE <speed>" where <speed> is your com port's locked
baud rate (19200 before I got my HST/DS, 38400 now).  That keeps Waffle
quite happy.  Oh yes, one last thing - put your string to expect in the
BBS software name field using FDSETUP (yes, it's a kludge at present but
it works).

   I still have my complete FrontDoor mailer configuration and can post
exact examples if needed for clarification and further explanation.

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From: jake@infopls.chi.il.us (Jim Kearney)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Doorways
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 22:15:37 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

What program would I need to run BBS door programs (ex. requiring 
DOOR.SYS or CHAIN.TXT) under Waffle and how would I do this?


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From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: New Threaded News-Reader and Companion Editor
Summary: Works online also // FTP available
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:12:58 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Seismic Control District, San Diego, CA / Port2

I ran across these 2 files on the MSDOS-Ann mailing list today.
Odd that nothing has been said in up to this point in c.b.w.

I don't have FTP access.  If anyone snarfs these 2 files, I'd
sure appreciate sneding them my way.

                *******************

Here's the announcements:


Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 03:31:41 EST
From: Schulz Russell Kevin <russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
To: MSDOS-Ann@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil
Cc: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: RUSN-09.ZIP - Threaded newsreader for Waffle BBS, w/source
Message-Id: <4684.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil>
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.waffle>
RUSN-09.ZIP     Threaded newsreader for Waffle BBS, w/source

threaded newsreader with killfiles and crosspost filtering for ms-dos waffle.
(see also trived07.zip in <msdos.editor> section for a companion editor)

with v0.9 rusnews can be run over the phone lines.  when run over the
phone lines, it defaults to a non-trusted mode (which can be overridden
by the command line (using different extern entries)) which does not
allow users to edit articles or change their From: lines.

Redeeming Features

- compatible with waffle - no separate database or maintenance required
- hit `k' while reading to kill that subject or author, either in that
  group or in all groups
- automatic filtering of crossposts - any article which is crossposted
  will only be shown if the group you're reading is the first one in your
  join file to which it was posted.
- can be used over a phone line

Russell Schulz
russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca


------------------------------

Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 02:57:34 EST
From: Schulz Russell Kevin <russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
To: MSDOS-Ann@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil
Cc: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: TRIVED07.ZIP - FOSSIL/console vi-like editor for BBS use
Message-Id: <4682.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil>
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.editor>
TRIVED07.ZIP    FOSSIL/console vi-like editor for BBS use

Trivial Editor - fixed size file, secure for bbs use, works through
a phone line (with FOSSIL driver) or on the console (no ANSI.SYS
required).

Russell Schulz
russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

                        *****************


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