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From: (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.194426.11977@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos) writes:
>>	c) are there not makers or distributers who just MIGHT affix strychnine
>>to blotter along with acid JUST BECAUSE of believing that somehow this would
>>make the trip from THEIR ACID more "individual"?
>
>No.  People who are smart enough to make LSD are smart enough to know about
>The Strychnine Universe (tm).
>
	But people who SELL it aren't.  ANd distributers often do things that
are not all that smart, like the making of "wicci stix" by dipping a joint
in formaldehyde. (yes this IS done, since I kew a few people out to make a
quick buck who tried it.  I didn't smoke any out of paranoia, mostly.)
	I said makers OR distributers, and I can see some brain-fried dealer
deciding he wants to make the sheet he just bought speedier, so people
like "his" acid better.

	Which would make for strychnine-containing LSD.  In this case it's a 
matter of human behaviour, not chemistry, but it is possible.
	Not that that strychnine would make ANY difference, but it COULD be 
there.  It is not "impossible" and actually, due to this, has SOME likelihood.

							Sean
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:57:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.073755.22885@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
}In article <1992Dec13.082622.23710@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
}>He made the statement - several times. He believe that the drug laws and
}>courts saved his brother's life.
}
}His brotherwas an alcoholic, not a drug addict, so it's puzzling why he used
}this as an example.  On the plus side, when asked what he would have done
}different about trying to smoke pot, Clinton said "I would have inhaled"
}(MTV appearance).

What?  Where have you been?  Bill turned his own brother for cocaine
possession!  His brother's been interviewed recently acting like he was
wired on coke; he has a record of cocaine use.

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,rec.food.drink
From: hunter@work.nlm.nih.gov (Larry Hunter)
Subject: Re: Hemp drinks
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: 11 Dec 92 10:24:53



Mark Parsons asks:

   Does anybody have any ideas on how to make some THC-based intoxicating
   drink?  I know THC is not water soluble so it isn't easy.  I don't want to
   use alcohol, although I know this is a common approach.  I was thinking that
   since THC is fat soluble, one could maybe warm up the pot in heavy cream and
   in turn add this to tea or whatever.

The question is not one of solubility, but decarboxylation.  The cannibinols in
marijuana are not psychoactive unless decarboxylated, which occurs at about
170C.  Another way to say that is you must heat cannibinols well over the
temperature of boiling water to make them psychoactive.  Igniting is one way to
do this; frying in oil and baking at 400F also work.  The traditional marijuana
tea is made by first baking the plant material at high temperature, and then
steeping it in water.  Another possibility is to make an oil-based extract by
frying the material, and then adding it to a milkshake, or making homemade ice
cream out of it.  Heating cream to the necessary temperature is likely to
curdle it, so I wouldn't recommend going that route.  

Happy trails...

		Larry


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley)
Subject: High Times / MJ Growers Book
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:25:10 GMT


Hi, 
	can anyone out there send me the current overseas subscription
	rates for 'High Times' along with a contact address. Also, does
	anyone have an address for any good 'head' shops that do 
	international mail order? I'm after some cultivation handbooks...

	cheers.
-- 
						_
					       /-\dam

FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: 10764860@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PAUL WALSH)
Subject: Re: dextromethorphan hydrobromide
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:12:37 GMT

Has anyone tried to boil any DM based liquid (eg Robitussin) down to a solid?
I would be interested to hear if anyone has tried this succesfully.

Thanks, Paul.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:52:48 GMT

sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:

>Many years ago, my brother found himself in the bad graces of one of the
>local wholesale drug dealers (wrong place at the wrong time.  A long
>story).  The word was out that the dealer was after him.  This
>particular dealer's way of "dealing" with people he didn't like was to
>inject them with a *large* dose of LSD (hundreds of mg) and dump them
>off in fromt of a hospital emergency room.  Result?  A physically heathy
>vegetable.  The police tend to get *really* serious only when the crime
>becomes "murder", and the victim was still alive ....

	Yeah, and if that didn't work, this particular guy would bite
their heads off and shit down their necks, right?  Of course, before it 
got to that point, he was obligated to to dunk the victim's head in 
battery acid to help them get the picture. (and also drop them off
at a hospital e-room, after all, he's not _all_ bad).

>UL?  My brother got a handgun and a concealed-carry permit in record
>time, along with police instruction in firearms use and the use of the
>police range.

	That proves nothing wrt to the UL status of what you say he
heard.  If he was threatened I have no doubts he was scared, but some
idiot's "rep" doesn't have anything to do with anything.

>I don't think there is any clinical data on such huge doses.  As other
>posters have mentioned, LSD is not physiologically harmful.  "Street"
>acid is, however, usually mixed with strychnine.

	No, it's usually mixed with battery acid.

And cracker jacks.

Jim Del Vecchio
Organization: Senior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:23:40 -0500 
From: Steve Neas <sn15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Transportation of controlled substa

Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 11-Dec-92 Re: Transportation of contr..
by Eric Sterling@igc.apc.or 
> Carrying drugs on an airplane flight is stupid.  The risks are high.  You
> are subject to search for suspicion of weapons.  Baggage will be x-rayed.
> You go through a metal detector.  If you set it off, and your keys, pens,
> coins, etc. once removed don't quiet the machine security goes over you
> with a wand.

If all you need to do is walk through the metal detector, would there be
any problem with carrying non-metal substances undetected?  Just in a
pocket or something like that. 

> The penalties are high -- Federal fines of up to a million dollars for
> felony transportation.

I _hope_ this isn't true for small quantities.  I'm sure the penalty is
more than it's worth though.

> Just getting busted is an awful hassle.  Jail until bailed.


-Steve-
  sn15@andrew.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:35:47 GMT

andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
: >
: >If you are referring to nicotine, then yes, it DOES carry a MUCH-MUCH-MUCH 
: >greater risk than does LSD.  Nicotine is poison.  I believe (not sure) that 
: >anything more than a drop of pure nicotine will kill you.
: 
: Yes, nicotine is an awful poison.  A drop of _pure_ nicotine has been
: known to kill a person in 15 minutes.  I don't have a reference on
: that, though...
: 
: But think about it for a second...  if you swallow even a little juice
: from chewing tobacco, you are not going to be a happy camper.  Even if
: you smoke a couple of cigarettes in a row fairly quickly you'll get
: nausea (unless you've been chain smoking for 15 years...).  It's sort
: of your body's way of saying "I hate this shit!"

It would appear that you have never used tobacco - or really observed
people who do. 

I know a couple of smokers who smoke two or three cigarettes - as fast
as they can inhale, when they take a smoke break. One of them has been
smoking for less than a year. No nausea or dizziness - it is surprising
how fast the body can adapt to poisons.

The people who chew absorb quite a bit of the nicotine through the gums.
I doubt if there is much nicotine that gets spit out. The one person I
know who uses chewing tobacco says that he swallows some of the juice on
occasion. He says it is no problem. It is a problem if he has a cud in
his mouth and swallows that.

Bill
From: (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:34:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193406.10621@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (Mr. Stress Tensor) writes:
>So, some "brain-fried" dealer is going to go out and spend extra money on 
>something to add to his acid to make it speedier?  Sure, it's difficult to
>overestimatethe stupidity of the brain-fried, but this seem very, very unlikely
>to me.  Everyone I've ever met who liked acid definitely *did not* prefer
>"speedier" acid.

	I do.

	Just curious, where DO those legends come from?


							Sean
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Mr. Stress Tensor)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Re: Mescaline
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.225348.14634@u.washington.edu> ap.7511@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>Jimi
>bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
>bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
>Ask not what's inside your head but what your head's inside of. - W. Mace


HEY!  That's NOT FUNNY.

bobo
From: co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ephedrine Reduction (was RE: Ephadrine)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:16:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A few posts back an individual calling himself Malcalypse posted
a hypothetical reaction for reducing Ephedrine to Methadrine.
First off: The Chiral center is the C with the Ph, OH, H, and the
rest of the amine attached to it. i recommend you buy a molecular
model kit and study stereo-chemistry more carefully.
second of all, I don't know where he you came up with that re-
action. did you adapt it from another one in an organic book?
Ephedrine is very difficult to reduce to methedrine without re-
ducing the amine. you need expensive and specific reducing         
agents, and wierd temperature and pressure conditions. Think 
about it, if it were easy, wouldn't a lot of people be doig it
instead of making it "the old-fasioned way"?
ned.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: HOW DOES ONE TRIP ON SUBSEQUENT DAYS ??
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:17:52 GMT

cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello) writes:


>I've heard that it is and is not possible to trip the day after a trip.

>What is the method (dosage) required for this and what are the specifics?

Tripping the day after you trip is possible, but difficult.
Things happen in your brain (mail me if you are interested in what)
that prevent LSD from having a significant effect about 3 days after
the initial dose. If you, say, tripled that dose you would be able
to trip the next day. It probably wouldn't be as intense, though.

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From: v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana contains nicotine?!
Keywords: marijuana nicotine disinformation
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:37:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec10.063445.6543@griffin.itc.gu.edu.au>, 
phillip@kraken.UUCP (Phillip Jones) writes...
>I just thought I'd add a bit of info for those people who may be interested.
>In Australia a "Water Pipe" is refered to as a "Bong". Just a bit of trivia
>and my 0.02 cents worth.

Oh yeah?  Only in Australia, huh?  Bwahahaha...  8-)

Sorry for being such a bastard, Phillip, but I couldn't resist this one --
nothing personal.
From: honig@binky.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Why ask the net for facts?   was Re: Halcion Horror?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:07:07 GMT

 lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>All I've ever seen is lots of noize about Halcion and very little signal...
>A slightly higher occurance of side effects, but a much higher usage overall.
>All benzodiazepines can cause neuropsychiatric side-effects.  Halcion
>is the most prescribed benzodiazepine, QED its the most overused and
>improperly prescribed benzodiazepine, QED it has the worst side effect
>profile for the entire population that uses it.  Replace it with another
>short half-life benzo, and I'll bet you start seeing the same effects
>from the replacement drug.
>
>--
>Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
>  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
>                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson


If you're intersted in facts, why ask the net?  Halcion is a legit
drug upon which seriuos study is being done.  Asking the net except for
pointers to the lit is a waste of time.  For illicits, for which
there is far less literature, it makes a little more sense.

--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From:  (Javi)
Subject: Re: New Newsgroup proposal - Alt.hemp???
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:32:01 GMT

I'd like to see a group specifically dedicated to marijuana. I am
interested in legalization as well as uses and effects.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.tasteless.jokes
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Mescaline
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:06:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec17.121613.15254@coe.montana.edu> victory@cs.montana.edu (Victor Hanson) writes:
>I got a question for whoever cares to respond.  About a year or so ago, a few
>friends and I managed to get a hold of a bunch of Mescaline(spelling?).  We
>had quite the good time with this stuff.  I guess my questions are:  What is
>Mescaline?  I have been told that it is a synthetic form of Peyote, or 
>something like that.  If this is not true, what is it made of? 

    Mescaline is the most prevalent psychoactive compound in peyote (a
cactus).  It is fairly easy to make, relative to LSD, so, although I don't
know this for sure, my guess is that any street mescaline is synthetic
rather than extracted.
-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Need to match drug to description
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:47:11 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec15.002236.26502@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Benjamin E Delfin) writes:
>
>Hallucinogen, three letter name, begins with D.  Read about it in
>the Voice.
>Sends you on an inner trip into time and space, and dumps you back into
>the real world 15 minutes later.

    N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT).

>And is it controlled?

    Yes.  Schedule I.  The diethyl analog is also C-I, and higher homologs
are covered under the Designer Drugs Act.
-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:44:26 GMT

In article <Bz93AM.G8z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@rock-opera.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>	I suppose it is a lot safer to put a question mark on the end of
>every sentence I write?  This will keep me from being attacked by people
>because my reality tunnel is "WRONG"?

When you're wrong, but act like you know what you're talking about, there's
a pretty good chance of being attacked on UseNet.  Welcome to reality.

>	a) can LSD be mixed WITH DMSO?

Yes.

>	b) would there be anyone on the street or at a dead show or
>rainbow gathering or whatever diong this?

It does happen.  Not very often, though.

>	c) if so, wouldn't that be LSD taken though the skin?

Yes.

>	
>	a) can strychnine be affixed to blotter paper, even if some other
>method to attach it, such as hairspray, is used?

Well, yes, but not enough to notice the effect.  Kind of like using a sponge
to soak up sand or something.

>	b) are there not a lot of ULs about strychnine NOT ONLY being mixed
>in with acid, but affecting the way the trip goes?

Yes, people frequently associate what's usually called a "speedy" effect with
strychnine.  It's usually caused by degradation of the LSD molecule itself due
to improper handling, or leftover precursors from the manufacture itself.

>	c) are there not makers or distributers who just MIGHT affix strychnine
>to blotter along with acid JUST BECAUSE of believing that somehow this would
>make the trip from THEIR ACID more "individual"?

No.  People who are smart enough to make LSD are smart enough to know about
The Strychnine Universe (tm).

>	Could there then be NOT ONLY street "acid" that goes through the skin,
>BUT ALSO containing strychnine, or even BOTH?

Yes.  No.  No.

>	Is it possible, thus, for UL's, or BULLSHIT or whatever, to AFFECT the
>actuality of the current situation?

Of course.  Somebody takes an old/marginal/stepped on/touched/heated piece of
blotter, feels some physical discomfort, assumes it's strychnine, thinks they've
been poisoned, have a bad time.  QED.

bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
Ask not what's inside your head but what your head's inside of. - W. Mace
From: darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 18:31:49 GMT
Organization: Century Software
Reply-To: darinf@century


In article <ByyJDG.5Ex@teleride.on.ca> stevew@teleride.on.ca writes:

 > >If you take more acid does it take you longer to come down or does it >  intensify
 > >the trip or does it do both??????
 
 > The duration of LSD's effects is invariant (it is metabolized in finite time).
 > With small doses, increments can have an intensifying effect, but I understand
 > that a plateau is reached after a few micograms, and further doses have no
 > effect (unless, of course, they're paced over time).  The most I've witnessed
 > anyone taking was 6 hits, and it didn't seem much different from 2.
 > 

 The best way I have found for long and intense trips is to plan on taking
 about 6 - 10 hits (only if you are experienced). Drop two, the drop two more
 every half-an-hour after that.  This causes the PEAK to last longer.  With
 more hits at a time you can reach a higher plateau.  But do remember that
 you do build a tolerance.  This tolerance we be gone if you stay clean for
 at least two weeks.

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Interview with William S. Burroughs and David Cronenberg
Keywords: William S. Burroughs David Cronenberg Naked Lunch Revulsion
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:10:21 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

>>They'd never performed a William Tell act in their lives, but Joan,
>>who was drinking heavily and undergoing withdrawal from a heavy amphetamine
>>habit, and who had lived with Burroughs for five years, was game. She
>>placed a highball glass on top of her head. Burroughs, known to be a good
>>shot, was sitting about six feet away. His explanation for missing was not
>>that his aim was off, but that this gun shot low. 

>That seems pretty wacky, kill someone and get 13 days in jail.

>	There was that guy who killed 27 kids in a schoolbus in similar
>circumstances, what did he get, 120 years?

Similar circumstances? The kids were drinking heavily and withdrawing from
amphetamine addictions when the guy shot them? Yeah, the time served may seem
inappropriate, but it sounded like he basically jumped bail and left the
country, which might have happened in other places than Mexico too. And
aren't most murders committed by someone who knows or is in a relationship
with the victim? Comparing someone killing their spouse to a mass murderer
is a little inapropriate if you ask me. Especially when WSB and wife both were
acknowledged to have been notorious drunks in a twisted relationship where
WSB's sexual preferences, Joan's indescretions, drugs, alcohol, and other
factors probably played a huge role in it. Maybe Burroughs wanted to kill
her? Maybe she wanted him to shoot her? It sounds more like a crime of 
passion or a stupid accident than some mass murderer pulling a premeditated 
crime. I'm not saying I admire WSB for what he did, but I think the situation
was probably more complex than any of us can ever know, and trying to 
compare it to some guy shooting school kids is a pretty poor comparison. 
Try comparing it to something like Marvin Gaye's father killing him, or 
better yet some husband-wife murder scenario that's a little closer in 
context. Given the circumstances I'd say it's very possible that if the
case had been tried in the US Burroughs might have gotten off as not-guilty
considering the circumstances. But that doesn't make it right or wrong - 
the entire situation was fucked up and pretty tragic.    - Malcolm