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From: mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo mazzucchi)
Subject: pc-globe
Keywords: info
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:03:19 GMT


HY

I am Max froma ITALY Milan

I want know if someone know if exist a programm like
PC-GLOBE or PC-USA about a part of town or a quarter
with information about population and other info.

- if someone know that programm graphic it was used to
  realize PC-GLOBE or PC-USA


  Thanks for your help

  BYE


  My address is mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it 

Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: lowe@fnx.uucp (Phill Lowe)
Subject: Re: Should we use hypertext???
Keywords: HYPERTEXT,ENVIRONMENT
Organization: I/Ovations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:37:27 GMT

I have used hypertext to document a procedure for uploading PC datafiles
into a mainframe database.  The procedure is quite long and can't be automated
because of the multiple-platform and limited tools.  The additional material
on debugging problems and figuring out who to complain to has no logical 
organization.  (There are five different groups responsible for different 
parts of the process - none willing to talk to each other)  Additional 
information for setting up new users and hardware is also included.

Using a simple hypertext system converted this from an almost useless
bunch of text into a valuable tool.  The end users can find the problem,
read up on the terms they don't understand and figure out who needs to
be called.  This save's me time because I no longer have to sort it out
and call the responsible people.  

Hypertext.........  DO IT!
From: wear@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Keith Wear)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: hypertext help
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:45:26 GMT
Reply-To: wear@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Keith Wear)
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science


	I am attempting to write a help system for 
an application to run under motif.  I like to look
of the decwindows help windows for its applications.
Is the format for the help files and the program 
that runs them proprietary?  If not, does anyone 
know of a reference or a site where I could find
the code and/or the help file format?

		Keith Wear
--
I live by the words of an old professor, "a computer
programmer needs to be a little lazy."
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:31:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: diku0049@diku.dk (Gisli Rafn Olafsson=)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Should we use hypertext???
Summary: Should a hypertext system be used to maintain a knowledge base around
         environmental technology
Keywords: HYPERTEXT,ENVIRONMENT
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:55:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen


	We are a group of gradute computer science student, who are
doing  a project in "Pratical Computer Science".  As a part of our
project, we are supposed to investigate others experiences with
similiar problems.
	We are writing a system for an energy and enveriomental agency
The system is supposed to help voulenteers that answer phone calls
from people, and have to give them answers about "green technology".
The current information is mainly in the form of texts in information
brochures and educational material.  It is very difficult to arrange
this information into defined structures.
	Our idea is to use a hypertext system to do this.  We would
like to get comments on that idea and other ideas on how to solve
this kind of a problem.  If any you have written a similiar system
we would very much like to hear about your experience.
	Please email answers to diku0049@ragnarok.diku.dk


Best regards,

Gisli Rafn Olafson
Jakob Enggaard
From: dpenn@bnr.ca (Dick Penn)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Please Help - NOT!
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:08:15 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <15940001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com
(Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.


Inappropriate for this group. Please post to alt.somthing.I.don't.read
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: Douglas P Brownfield <dbrownfi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Hyplus-like Mac program?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:33:44 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Now that I've completed my project using Hyplus I've found that a couple users 
need the same type of thing on the Mac. So the question is:
     Does anyone know of a program on the MAC that would be similar to 
Hyplus/Hyperrez...most important...that would use ASCII/Text files? I'm not too
keen on the idea of accelerated learning of HyperCard so anything pretty simple
and free would be nice.
Thanks
Organization: Doctoral student, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:21:55 -0400 
From: Joe Melvin <jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: IBM hypercard-like programs

Hi -

What's the latest word on HyperCard-like programs for the IBM PC world?
Is there anything comparable?

Thanks in advance,
Joe Melvin
From: John_Maxwell@mindlink.bc.ca (John Maxwell)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: What is Gopher, WWW?
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:59:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I keep hearing about Gopher and World Wide Web. Could somebody give a brief
explanation of these? Are they for everybody, or are they exclusive?



      -JMax
From: joslyn@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Cliff Joslyn)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: IBM hypercard-like programs
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:49:22 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center


Is there anything in DOS that will read Hypercard stacks?

O----------------------------------------------------------------------------->
| Cliff Joslyn, Cybernetician at Large, 327 Spring St #2 Portland ME 04102 USA
| Systems Science, SUNY Binghamton      NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
| cjoslyn@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu    joslyn@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov
V All the world is biscuit shaped. . .
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: IBM hypercard-like programs
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 16 OCT 92 15:37:00    

> 
>> Is there anything in DOS that will read Hypercard stacks?
>> 
> 
>There are only two programs that I know of. One is Toolbook. This converts
>HyperCard stacks into Toolbook books. The other is called Windowcraft. This
>converts HyperCard stacks into Windows applications.
> 
>I don't know how to contact the Toolbook folk, but you can talk to the
>Windowcraft people at (800) 828-2268. BTW, Windowcraft sells for $295.
> 

Toolbook is made by asymetrix (in either calif or wash state).  Also, a 
program called CONVERT IT published by Heizer Software (they have an 800 
number and are located in to 510 area code).  Convert it (as I remember) 
converts from Hypercard to Toolbook.

Hope that helps, Catherine
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Subject: Re: IBM hypercard-like programs
Followup-To: alt.hypertext
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.174922.6105@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
joslyn@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Cliff Joslyn) wrote:
> 
> Is there anything in DOS that will read Hypercard stacks?
> 

There are only two programs that I know of. One is Toolbook. This converts
HyperCard stacks into Toolbook books. The other is called Windowcraft. This
converts HyperCard stacks into Windows applications.

I don't know how to contact the Toolbook folk, but you can talk to the
Windowcraft people at (800) 828-2268. BTW, Windowcraft sells for $295.

Disclaimer: I've never used either of these products and beyond what I've
already said, I don't know diddley.

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: "Ernest Perez" <demoep@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: HyperRez ftp location
Organization: Access Information Assoc., Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:24:09 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

Ann Farny <ann@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV> writes:
>
>I recently read on the newsgroup that HyperRez for
>DOS/Windows was available via ftp from wustl.wuarchive.edu
>but this seems to be an unknown host.  
>

MaxThink's HyperRez product is at...

  wsmr-simtel20.army.mil in directory pd1:<msdos.hypertext> 
or...
 
  hydra.uwo.ca in directory libsoft

These two sites should also have demo copies of HYGLOS, a newer version of 
the HyperRez product.

cheers,
ernest
From: poam@giraffe.ru.ac.za (AK MARQUARD)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: HYPERTEXT EDITOR ETC.?
Summary: Does anyone know where I can get a hypertext editor?
Keywords: HYPERTEXT
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:07:59 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

Does anyone know where (via FTP or whatever) I can get a hypertext editor, 
preferrably with editor, or even a plain text database, for free?

please answer or mail.

Andrew Marquard (POAM@giraffe.ru.ac.za)
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: HyperRez ftp location
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:30:24 GMT
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group

In <qP63RB1w165w@lost.cojones.com> sysadmin@lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) writes:

>ann@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Ann Farny) writes:

>> ftp from wustl.wuarchive.edu

>The correct FTP name is wuarchive.wustl.edu

>Whoever posted the wrong name should be shot.  I would have to be initially
>suspicious and wonder if the original poster even knew what he/she was
>talking about.

Capital punishment for mistyping? I will habe to bee very carefu; fromn ow on.
From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: O'Connor in Saturday Night Live
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:03:02 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <bosullvn.718485762@unix1.tcd.ie> bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie (Bryan O'Sullivan) writes:
>If her next album is worse than "Am I not your
>turd?" she'll have to sacrifice Pat Robertson live on stage (with
>simultaneous translation of her accompanying self-righteous rant
>into several major languages) to get any press attention.
>
 
  You say this like it's a Bad Thing.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

"If I have to resurrect you, I'll resurrect you, whether you like it
or not!"
	 Paul to Jesus, _The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_

"Above all, a god needs compassion"    James T. Kirk
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: "Teaching atheism"
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:36:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <ednclark.719104427@kraken>, ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:

[earlier posts deleted]

> Christians seem to make a big point of converting children before they are
> able to bring a good body of knowledge into the decision. They also attack
> people when they are emotionally unstable after a major life crisis, also a
> time when rational thought is not high. I know of a couple of con artists
> who use very similar tactics (i.e. attack the weak and feeble). I beleive
> that schools should have a compulsory religious education class for probably
> about three years at about two hours a week where the top ten most popular
> schools of religious thought are presented. In my view this should include Islam
> (both types), Hindu, Buddhism, Atheism, Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism
> and maybe one or two tribal religions. We could extend this class to
> political thought as well and include Capitalism, Socialism,
> Authoritarianism, Utilitarianism and others. 
> 
> This sort of education would be invaluable in presenting a balanced approach
> to life philosophies. I beleive if we gave our kids this form of education
> during their 7th to 10th years of schooling we may produce more culturally
> tolerant, aware and satisfied human beings who have made their own decision
> on how to lead their own lives, rather than have it forced upon them before
> they realise what social, moral and intellectual binds such views place them
> in.
> 
> Jeff.

This is a splendid idea. If soemone is exposed to more different religions,
more different worldviews, then they are much less likely to be walking around
with their Xian blinkers on. BUT...

...isn't the 7th to 10th years of schooling much too late? That means they
won't even start until they're teenagers. By that time many children have
already been taught to not think.

In this one case I am inclined to agree with Freud:  early childhood training
has a big impact. 

If parents object to the concept of Very Young Children learning other
religions, for fear that they will unable to discriminate the Truth, then more
general classes on other cultures could be taught (I think this is a great idea
anyway). But don't wait until they're 13!

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 01:27:41 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <8eorteC00WBOE6u6g7@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jordan M. Wolbrum" <jw67+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Wrong, how Human life came to be has not been proven by scientists - it is 
>>ONLY a theory and should be treated as such.
>
>Creationism has not been proved by Christians - it is ONLY a theory and
>should be treated as such.

 Not even that. Chaeck out talk.origins- no one's even really *given*
an explicit 'Theory of Creationism.'

>\majorheading{Jordan M. Wolbrum
>}\center{\smaller{at jw67@andrew.cmu.edu


Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably
                            || not those of the University of
ingles@engin.umich.edu      || Michigan. Yet.
From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:52:03 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1250029@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

[deletions]

>7.) What religion are you?
>Protestant         [ ]
>Catholic           [ ]
>Jewish             [ ]
>Other              [ ]

 You're posting on alt.atheism with a question phrased in this manner?

Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably
                            || not those of the University of
ingles@engin.umich.edu      || Michigan. Yet.
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: "Jehovah" TRIBE OF SPACE CANNIBALS
Date: 14 Oct 1992 03:53:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


	Where the F@#& did they find this geek ?

-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: yergeau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dan Yergeau)
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:28:12 GMT

This is a followup to several of TJOHN's posts.

In article <ebolog.16@elaine.ee.und.ac.za>, ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD) writes:

|> Ok, you tell me how man came about and do not state the theory of evolution 
|> since one it is a theory with lots of short comings and one which even some 
|> scientists do not agree with. Then disprove that the only God the Father and 
|> his only begotten son Jesus Christ do not exist!

*I* created the universe, man, etc.  Now, you disprove that I did it.
Please don't use the Bible or any other questionable sources.  Just
mutually accepted facts and logic.  (In case you still haven't
gotten the clue, this is an impossible task.)

BTW, if you are so convinced of the falsity of the theory of 
evolution, take the discussion over to talk.origins, and look
at both sides of the argument with an open mind.  Do you believe
that the theory of evolution stated that man evolved from apes?
If so, you are in for a wide awakening.

|> Ok, just tell us all the Biblical errors and a logical explanation on how 
|> you came about. No, do not quote the THEORY of evolution I said proof - your 
|> own personal ideas on why the human body is symmetrical and does not have 
|> two arms on one side and only one on the other for example. Also explain why 
|> if human life came about by freak accident why only we are intelligent. Why 
|> not, as logic would point out, some creature with a different shape to the 
|> human being with the gift of intelligence.

"Design" is not necessarily evidence of a designer.  Read the FAQ.

Only man is intelligent?!?  Face it, we happen to be animals that are
more intelligent than (most of) the rest of the animals.  If we would 
stop calling other animals' intelligence "instinct", we would have 
to stop slaughtering them for their flesh and skins, and that 
*supposedly* goes against the will of the Christian God.  

The human body is not symmetrical.  I have an appendix and liver
on my right side, one half of my brain is better suited to logic
and reasoning, etc.

|> Now, about EVIL - it says in the Bible that God will eventually do away with 
|> it, but for now we have our own choice. We can choose to either do EVIL or 
|> GOOD. 

Would you classify a being who orders man to kill entire groups
of people without mercy as evil (Deuteronomy 7:2)?  If so, then 
God will have to do away with himself.  And, please don't
try to weasel out by saying the the Old Testament is invalid to
this discussion, as you are drawing very strongly from it (i.e. 
creation and the "incorrectness" of same-sex sexual relationships).

-- 
Dan Yergeau                         He's dead Jim.  Take his phaser
yergeau@gloworm.Stanford.EDU        and I'll get his wallet.
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Morals and God is Dead.
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:46:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


|parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish ) sez:
|
|>Well, speaking from personal experience, I've had trouble with moral
|>concepts as of late, and I've never had a god looking over my
|>shoulder.  Seems to be something that can get programmed into you with
|>or without religion.  the thing to do: if the morals BUG you, (say you
|>want to sleep around and can't, or something that isn't really a good
|>or a bad thing, but something you've been taught to feel guilty about)
|>then realize it's a moral someone has put in you, or something that's
|>developed in you over time that you never noticed, you can change it,
|>if you want to, or feel the need to.
|
|This is so nice to know.  I've been having trouble with the moral concept
|of murder lately.  It is finally a relief to know that I can over come
|my problem and change it, since this is a moral that has been put in me.
|I'm so happy that I no longer have to be bugged by this programming.
|Should I decide to start my homicidal rampage soon, can I start with you?
|I know you would understand--what's your address?
 
	Interestinmg, that the only thing keeping you from killing people
is some imaginary spook (IE your god). I think you are trying to hake a
point for your nice, warm, fuzzy and happy christians "morals". Like when
your book says that your god wants you to murder others for no reason, 
aside from he/she/it not liking them. Of your course your god don't have
the guts to do it himself, he needs a human to do a deity's job for him/
her/it.
 
	So, how ethical is your religion when it calls for the supression
of women and the murder of Gays ?
 
 
	I would think the person who is being kept from murder only
because he thinks a god is coercing him is close to snaping and need
help now.....
 
 
|
|-- 
|Scott Parish                |  The Truth is still the Truth      |  John 14:6
|parsons@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu  |  even if you choose to ignore it.  |
 
-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: soc.religion.christian is moderated.
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:33:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:

>However I'm very doubtful that a moderator should somehow control
>the thread directions. If people want to discuss about one single
>issue -- let us say trinity -- it clearly indicates that there's a 
>lot of controversy concerning the topic. And a zap by the moderator
>to somehow re-direct the interest to something else is IMHO not
>exactly moderation, instead a deliberate force trying to push the
>discussion to other issues.

>Such control ultimately leads to newsgroups that have a very
>uniform view of issues -- something I don't think is really good
>concerning the freedom of opinion. Anyway, those are just my 
>observations, I'm sure others have alternate views.

My concern is that there are differences between what people want to
post about and what people want to read.  For example, there are a few
people who, whenever the LDS faith is mentioned, will insist on
telling us that Mormons aren't Christians.  Then the LDS readers feel
they have to respond, and we're into it for a couple of months.  That
doesn't mean that people want to read about this.  Quite the contrary.
Most readers would rather never read about it.  It just means that
there are certain topics that create "knee-jerk" reactions.

Actually, in soc.religion.christian, the most consistent problems are
with anti-Catholics and homosexuality.  Catholics sometimes want to
use soc.religion.christian to discuss issues of interest to them.
Every time they do, somebody wants to tell us that it's idolatry to
worship Mary, etc.  I don't want to suppress this topic, but I also
want Catholics to be able to use the group without having to engage in
a full-scale defense every time they want to post something.
Homosexuality is a major topic for the Church now.  Various aspects of
it are quite relevant to the newsgroup.  However every time anyone
mentions the term in any context, we're in danger of recapitulating
the basic arguments over interpretations of some of the key Bible
passages.  A lot of this is because we have new readers all the time,
and somebody always finds it a shock that any Christian could possibly
accept homosexuality.  This is a case where an FAQ is the obvious
answer.

Now if the readers really wanted to see continuous arguments over
these issues, that would be no problem.  But the primary complaint I
get from readers is that there are too many arguments and not enough
attention to the day to day business of being Christian.  In fact I'm
trying to preserve diversity in the group: the ability for
non-fundmentalists to say things without constantly getting jumped,
and the ability to deal with topics other than a few that generate
voluminous flames.

It should be clear that my big problem as moderator is not atheists,
but fights among Christians.
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