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From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:45:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Has anyone else seen the art from Jim Lee's upcoming character, to appear
>in DARKER IMAGE (assuming Image still exists by then)?

    I have.  My first reaction was:  Rip-off Artist!!!!  FM was the first
mainstream artist to try this style and now Lee's gonna give a try.

    However, after some thought, I don't mind other people trying Miller's
techniques.  It just shows how incredibly and positively influential Miller is.
What I really mind about this is the Jim Lee will probably use this style as
merely that;  a style.

    I'm almost assured this character will be all style and no substance in the
grand tradition of Image comics.

    There is hope for Image though.  It comes in the form of Neil Gaiman, Dave
Sims, Alan Moore and possibly good 'ol Frank!  Hopefully, being exposed to
these true yarn-spinners will rub some substance into these titles.

-- 

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| You wanted the best;  You got the best! |     Paul Stanley, 1977
-------------------------------------------
Cedrick  Chan,  a lost demented soul
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From: yngvar@imr.no (Yngvar Foelling)
Subject: Re: ELFQUEST Family Trees
Organization: Institute of Marine Research, Bergen, Norway.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:21:30 GMT

I haven't bought Hidden Years #4 yet.  You included a spoiler.  A very minor
spoiler, maybe, but a spoiler nonetheless.

I wonder if I should mention the two dead children:

  Krim --- Skot/Pike(?)      One-Eye --- Clearbrook
        |                             |
     Cheipar                     -----------
                                 |         |
                                 ?      Scouter

I hope that I wasn't wrong about the name of Krim's child.
-- 
,---------------------------------.---------------------------------------.
| Yngvar Flling (yngvar@imr.no)  |   The opinions expressed are my own   |
| Institute of Marine Research    |   except for the occational glitch    |
| Bergen                          |   inserted by the Little Green Goblin |
| Norway                          |   who lives in my LAN outlet.         |
`---------------------------------'---------------------------------------'
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:38:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

One I'm still waiting for is the Teen Titans graphic novel,
drawn by George Perez. Supposedly heavily influenced
by Greek mythology. 
-- 
We need not fear those who do evil in the name of evil, but Heaven
protect us from those who do evil in the name of good.
Arthur C. Adams acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil            	<fnord>
No, I'm not the Arthur Adams who draws comic books. Don't even ask.
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Rumor Central:  The Revivication of Supes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:07:27 GMT

According to a friend who just talked to someone high up in DC, Supes 
might be revived by the oldest trick in the book, and one that I am 
loathed to mention:

Waverider, mourning the death of one so valiant, and one so important to the 
future, will go back in time and fight Doomsday himself.  Since he knows 
Doomsday's powers etc, he will pretty much mop the floor with him.  Superman
will live on then, oblivious to his death.  Yech.  I hate these storylines...

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: smith@ug.cs.dal.ca (Sean Smith)
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods The good parts version
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:47:21 GMT

In article <By1KCy.3qp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>He's not dead.
>He's just MOSTLY dead.
>I've seen worse.

	(British accent) It's just a flesh wound!  I've had worse!  ;)

	Sean

-- 
Sean Smith - Dalhousie University  "I'm not paid to think - that's management." 
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada                    Don Cherry for Prime Minister in
01SSMITH@AC.DAL.CA or smith@ug.cs.dal.ca	'93 in Canada!
Disclaimer:  These ideas are mine...ALL MINE!!  'Cause noone else'd want 'em.
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:39:47 EST

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
> 
> >>     4) He's really dead, but someone can make a clone.
> >>     Counter-argument: aren't they canceling LSH for just this sort
> >>     of silline ss?

ANswer: no.  Whatever gave you this idea?

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov19.040031.9067
Distribution: na
Organization: Chronological Squids of the Poor

In article <BxxxFI.Hwv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v125qj86@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey B Rogers) writes:
>
>	Howdy. From what I've read in those Up-And-Coming-Newsletter-Thingees,
>Part 7 is the last one in the story. 

Brief Lives is (was?) scheduled to run through Sandman #49. It started with 
#41 so that would be Part 9. However, from what I get out of the Distributor's
blurbos, something big does happen in in Sandman #47. So unless Neil 
convinces Karen Berger to use a different numbering scheme for Vertigo
("So upright it's dizzy!") titles, we have 5 parts left. Issue #50 is
already spoken for so his back is against the wall on this one. 

(This could be a new wrinkle. A Sandman story finishing in *fewer* issues 
than had originally be planned!)  

>	Way I figure it, one showing of Dest in each issue, from a diffrent
>family members POV/rememberance, is the way its going. Despair in 1, Del in 2,
>Dest himself in 3(himself thru his own eyes), and our man Dream in 4.
>	I'm guessing Desire's rememberance will show why it seems to dislike
>its' sibling, Destiny's will show the meeting where Dest 'left', and Deaths',
>er, well, maybe a talk about what seperates their functions? (beats me.)
>	Of course, the Destiny one could also show the 'family reunion', if it
>happens. #3 shows that not all of them might be rememberances per se.
>				(IMHO)

If they're off to see the Dancing Woman, who may or may not be a Babylonian
godess of naughtiness, then my guess is that Desire may be next. I'd save
Destiny for last just because he would be harder to work into a script than
Death. (But if you ran Death in issue #47 she could plug her own series...)

Anyway, we should know next week. I'm glad the issue was delayed a week.
I'd hate to have to fight through the Supes mourners to get to Sandman
tomorrow.

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Herr Peanut! Good to have you fly with us again.
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  You have business in Lakehurst, perhaps? Well,
    Never give me bacon    |  the gas bags are full and soon we'll be aloft!"
  Unless you give me beans |                   _Mr Peanut Flies the Atlantic_
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Subject: Re: Morbius (was Strange Things Afoot in Marvel...)
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:33:07 EST
 .acs.ohio-state.edu><1992Nov20.055936.17757@ncsu.edu> <-qrq9ml@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Umm, in your post regarding the Morbius comic you mistakenly credit Howard
Mackie with writing and Bret Blevins with drawing.  But the actual creators
are Len Kaminski as writer and Ron Wagner as penciler.  I don't know if you
read a Previews wrong or what.  We should give credit where credit is due
though, since I have enjoyed what I have read of Kaminski's writing.
                                                 ------Eric Sansoni
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grimjack!
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:17:42 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov18.184819.1320@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes: 
>If there is any ex-Grimjack fans out there in the wild, cry out! Let me know
>you still honour the memory of John Gaunt! (aka Chaney, aka Twilley, aka
>whatever...)

I liked GrimJack, too, though I thought that the Twilley phase of the
character was pretty much a failed experiment (due to unfocused writing and
generally poor artwork).  But I do think it was something worth trying.

For my money, the issues of the series pencilled by Tom Sutton were the best
(though the issues pencilled by Tim Truman were also quite good).

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

The government - it's not just your Big Brother, it's that kid down the block
who likes to beat you up and take your lunch money.
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From: jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: DC: Huntress and Catwoman
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:06:18 GMT

To answer a previously asked question, no, the Huntress who was (pre-Crisis)
the daughter of Batman and Catwoman was not the same as the Villainess of 
the same name. There was a great story, though (All-Star Comics 72-73),
where the two fight over who really deserves the name. Gotta love that 
continuity recognition.

I see that Selina somehow shows up in Robin 3000. Could someone give me 
some more information on this? I didn't pick up the book because I agree
with the net consensus on this issue, but if she has a significant role of
any sort, I'll have to get it. Thanks.

Webdancer
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:01:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14719.2b0a22a7


 A lot of books got lost in the DC Implosion of the 70's. 
One of the books I know of for sure is the original Firestorm
series.  The story for the next issue was finished but only printed in 
copies of an anthology books that was used only to secure
the copywrite.  Sorry, don't know the name but there are only 
a few copies out there.  I beleive it was made by xeroxing
the stories and stapling them together, in house.

Mark Balbes
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Quasar
Date: 21 Nov 1992 09:32:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu

It's not a summary, but there may be some
*SPOILERS* so I'll stick in a ^L for you sensitive folks. :)






  Just wondering what any of you think about Quasar recently.  I really
have been enjoying the issues (all of them since I started collecting 
during the Galactic Storm x-over, actually).  It's interesting seeing how
Wendell deals with being nullified and how he sticks to his ideals despite
the situation he is in.  This is one of the things that attracts me to this
book (GL: Mosaic, too for that matter).  After this last issue, 42, I'm
wondering how he is going to be resurrected without comprimising himself.
Also, though at first it was sort of stupid to me, i'm beginning to like
the story with the interim "Protector of the universe".  Marvel Boy, er...
Blue Marvel, is like a fanboy who happened across the Quantum Bands.  This
is how I would envision the typical kid collector acting if he got his hands
on some power.  Especially when he changed his outfit so, he thought, the
Punisher would like him more.  That was a riot.  Was Marvel Boy like this 
in his original days before this creation of Thanos?  Even though the
Punisher's appearance was probably no more than an attempt to get other
people to buy the book, I liked it.  Blue Marvel gets snubbed by a hero
who he thinks is totally kewl, and he still doesn't get a clue. HA!!
Well, he will have his day in the white room. :)
  Other things I like.  Well, I like the art, but it seems like they
changed artists last issue, and I like it less than the previous artist.
I'm too lazy to check a few back issues, thus this vague statement :)
The developments with that woman Kayla are pretty interesting too, but
it is starting to lag, and I think they need to get it moving.  Also, I
don't know much about the Starbrand, except something I read in the
letters page: the wielder (person who has the tattoo?) of the starbrand
is only limited by his imagination, or something like that.
  So, there.  My opinion on Quasar.  If the quality of the stories remains,
so will I, and that's that.  See you around.

Mikel B.
-- 
Welcome to the punchline .sig
   "Is it in?"	 "That's my belly button, how do you like my tie?"
   "So he takes his bowling ball and throws it in the sink!"
   "It's 10:00 do you know what time it is?"  "29... 29... 29..."
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:45:29 GMT

Hateful Dead got wrapped up in one issue as _Marshall Law: Super Babylon_.
     Dave Van Domelen, can't really see how it could have taken 6 issues 
anyway...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole)
Subject: Re: Bravo to Mr. David on #401 of the Hulk!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:59:13 GMT

albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

>I'm suprised that you didn't mention that PAD may have brought back
>one of the "never to come back from the dead" characters.
>SPOILERS

>Bucky.  At least that's what I thought the whole line from Aggy
>about having amazing adventures during WWII.  It could just be a wink to 
>fans, though.

Actually, I thought he might have meant he was Hitler (since he
mentioned that he faked his death).

Robert G. Cole
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Gaiman & Bissette's visit to Chicago
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:16:06 GMT

In <1992Nov15.082556.26509@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Grinnin' Glenn) writes:


>      Of Ashcans, Gaiman, Bissette, 1963 and other stuff <gong>
>		       Or, Varia of the Ashcan

>Neil is working on lots o' stuff, some of it with Charles Vess
>(yea!!), but it would be incredibly rude of me not to let Enrique fill
>you in on this.  I will say he immediately recognized Lance "Squiddy"
>Smith's name

Of course, it helps that there aren't too many people who voluntarily 
use a cephalopodic nickname.  Just think of the name recognition of 
Lance "Petroleum Refinery Explosion" Smith or Lance "Multicar Collision
Involving a School Bus Full of Orphans" Smith.

Hmmm, is this equivalent to letter hack status? Can I one day hope to
work in the industry? 

ObHumilityLesson: I talked to Bissette on the Thursday before this signing
and didn't realize who he was. 'Scuse me whilst I hit myself with a skillet.
(For the record, I did manage to recognize Mr G without his dark glasses.)
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Quick! Get behind me! I don't know what a
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  little peanut like you could do to so upset
     Absinthe makes the    |  him, but it looks like Doomsday really wants 
      time grow softer     |  to kill you"    _Mr Peanut meets Superman_
From: flowers@caltech.edu (Dave Flowers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULTS: The Legion of...well, you know.
Date: 21 Nov 1992 07:25:54 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Reply-To: dflowers@caltech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: delphi.bio.caltech.edu

Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>
>	[ questions about newsgroup voting and rules ]

	Usenet is an anarchy (though some might claim that it's a benevolent
oligarchy, and often clueless people think that it's a democracy).  Because
r.a.c.m is an unmoderated newsgroup, that means that anyone and everyone can
post anything they like here.  However, there are guidelines as to what is
appropriate to post here and what is not, and these guidelines are known as the
newsgroup's charter, which was created and voted for along with the newsgroup
name in the CFV (Call For Votes) that ended up creating r.a.c.m (and a few
other groups, if I remember correctly).
	In theory, changing r.a.c.m.'s charter to outlaw the LNH (or, more
likely, fan-fic) would encourage people to not post that stuff.  In practice,
they might keep doing it - there's no way to enforce a charter in an
unmoderated group.  Also, such a vote would have to pass the usual way (i.e.,
at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 or more YES votes (of all
YES and NO votes)).  Somehow, I just don't think that enough people care to
have such a vote pass.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 21:53:11 EST
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:57:15 GMT

In article <i4youB4w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>
>> 	I agree with you--  and I think that this whole Death of Superman hype
>> is only going to backfire on DC.  
>> 	I don't think DC is going to hook any new customers from the Doomsday/
>
>But it has already done so.  All those people who were lined up to buy 
>Superman #75 when most of them obviously never buy comics at all.  DC got 
>unlimited free publicity out of the media, which must have made more of a 
>fuss than they ever expected, and they got people talking about SUperman 
>-- not about comics, but about their principal character -- and, better 
>yet, buying it.

	True.  But what I was trying to drive at the first time was that I
didn't think there would be any _long-term_ increase in customers as a result
of this.  How many of the people who were lined up in shops to buy Superman#75 
still be there in a year? In six months? In three months? Next month? 

	Maybe that's not what DC was trying to do though.  Maybe they were 
just going for the short-term "fad" market strategy, rather than for something
to boost long-term sales.  If so, I shudder to think of what will have to be
done in the future to produce comparable sales hype.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: nevins@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Nevins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The New Frontier
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:33:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov23.133329.17727
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


It seems to me that _The New Frontier_ was originally serialized
in the American _Heavy Metal_, sometime in the last few years.  Can
anyone report whether or not the mini-series will have new material,
or is it essentially the same as the _HM_ story?

The creators' names escape me right now, but at least one of them
(the artist, I expect) was involved in _The Silent Invasion_
(4 TPBs, NBM publisher?) and _Suburban Nightmares_ (1 TPB, NBM?).
Sorry, I'm not near my shelf to check on this--if no one else has
the info to hand, I'll post it later--or e-mail me if interested.

Does anyone know anything about these creators?

Mark Nevins
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From: wesselak@sunb0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:21:24 GMT

dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (RedSwordTarga) writes:

>Gee, where would that be? Couldn't be CC by any chance, could it?
>*laughs* THe only problem is that half the speculators *are* 
>parents. I saw so many people in FR on Thursday that I have
>*never* seen in there before, it was ridiculous. A bunch of
>people thinking they are going to college on a issue that's
>printed in the millions, and is now in about half a millino
>hermitically sealed bags as we speak. What a joke.

By "CC" do you mean Comic Cavalcade in Johnstowne Center?  I dropped by Fantasy
Realm on Thursday and overheard the manager promise that he would not charge
more than cover price for any of the copies he had that day in the store.

Erik
-- 
"'Yup' was a word that that skirted confusion and bared its      __| /  |__
friendly soul without the slightest hint of foul play.  'You     __|<  /|__
want another beer?' asked Krut.  'Yup,' Mojo replied without       | \/ |
hesitation."--Krut & Mojo the aliens, BSFUC.   Erik: wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doomsday - Despero's long-lost brother?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:26:42 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: alice.cs.purdue.edu

krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:
>Doomsday isn't the Hulk and he isn't Lobo...
>He's Despero with a name change.
Personally, I thought it was Nem-Ek, the half-"human", half-rondor
being from the Pre-Crisis days.  Well, the skin-tone matches...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
berninge@cs.purdue.edu          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
B0.2 f(~) w- c- g k? s- e r- p   \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"