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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:25:12 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: JGH computer rankings

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 11-Nov-92 JGH computer
rankings JOHN HEIM @vms.macc.wisc (1216)

> Week 11: No change in top 7.  (Steeler fans are not going to be 
> happy.)
>                                         Last
> Rank   Team         Rating  Week
>  1     Cowboys        90     1
>  2     Eagles         84     2
>  3     Saints         82     3
>  4     Vikings        80     4
>  5     49ers          79     5
>  6     Redskins       72     6
>  7     Bills          70     7
>  8     Dolphins       65     9
>  9     Chiefs         61    12
> 10     Broncos        61    10
> 11     Oilers         56     8
> 12     Steelers       56    11
> 13     Giants         52    14
> 14     Bears          48    13
> 15     Lions          45    16
> 16     Raiders        43    17
> 17     Chargers       42    18

what!? The Chargers have (or at least last week they had) the #1 defense in the
AFC....the Raiders don't have shit. How the hell do the Raiders get
ranked above
the Chargers?! The only way I can figure it is that the Raiders have
played tougher
teams, but that's still bogus.....

--Vernon.
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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: coaching changes?
Keywords: Shula - when will he step down?
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:41:24 GMT

In article <1drudlINNscj@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu
(Tony Bechtold) writes:
> 
> One other interesting question for Miami fans is when is Shula going
> to decide to step down? Could this be his final season?
> 
>                                                        Tony
>                                                     GO 49ERS!!!

He won't step down until he at least breaks
the record for most wins by a coach, and probably
not before the fish make another run at the
superbowl

1 Halas (Bears) 327 ??
2 Shula (Dolphins) 313
   ......
    .......
   Holtz (Jets)   1 

I figure he'll probably get 4 - 7 more wins
this year - so he should get the record some
time in Oct/Nov/Dec 1993 if everything goes well.
It would be nice to see him get the record
at home on a monday night against Cincinatti.

R Turner  
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst in Franchise History - Dallas
Keywords: Cowboys
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:47:53 GMT


Drafts/Trades:

Best:
Fifth-round(?) spent on a Navy qb named Staubach.
Fifth-round(?) spent on a USFL rb named Walker. (more valuable as a commodity)
Trade for positioning to pickup Pitt rb named Dorsett.
Walker to Minnesota for a Fistfull of Picks and Vikes.


Worst:
Being among the 27 teams that let Montana slip by. (at least we're not alone)
Almost any first-round pick from 1981-1988.

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From: uwwr@mcl.ucsb.edu (Walter Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Bears are thru for '92
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:05:51 GMT

In <1992Nov11.210927.4266@dg-rtp.dg.com> potts@chimmie.rtp.dg.com (Richard Potts) writes:

>In article <92315.165234U13141@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U13141@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>|> Yes, good people the Bears are through for '92. I have previously posted some
  My thoughts are that the Bears need and have needed for a little while is a
  draft like they had in '83 when they got multiple starters - VanHorne, Dent,
  Duerson, etc.  The Bears had multiple 1st and 2nd round picks that year, but
  not too many middle rounders. They were also active in the free agency market
  , most notably is McMichael.

  I say trade Neal Anderson for draft picks and maybe a player.  Ditka has/is 
   too predictable and it is time for someone to step up and take his place.
I have no idea who.  Tobin, maybe?  Parcells, doubtful.  But Iron Mike is now
passe.

>Hmm... I just wonder... What if the ball had floated a few inches higher on the
>Todd Scott interception and it bounces off his finger tips?

>What if the the Bengals don't convert on 4th and 23 on their last play of the
>game, let's say L. Stinson jumps 2 inches higher and deflects the pass?

>Does your perception of the Bears change?  Are the first place Bears with a
>6-3 record still considered the Monsters of the Midway?  It's still the exact
>same team, lacking team speed.

I can see this arguement a little bit, but the consistency of these little 
errors is more of a statement than any one of them taken independently.  Stinson
sucks - no defense for that guy.  Something needs to be done & to me it's Tobin's fault.  If you're front 4 aren't getting to the QB, then you need to blitz,  
and blitz well & often.  That way the CB aren't out there on a limb for too long -- dropping more guys into coverage isn't going to do it.


 walter
> 
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From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Subject: Re: New Orleans question
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:39:27 GMT

k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Keith J. Mullins) writes:



>	Anyone know who the two teams are that beat the Saints?  

Eagles (15-13) at Philadelphia and 49ers (16-10) at New Orleans.

Michael
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Email: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Comments on Packer loss to Giants (was NFC Central Week 10)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  9 NOV 92 12:18:13    

In article <1992Nov9.153339.22580@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes...

>The Oilers lost too.  Maybe if we can convince John Heim to cheer
>for the Eagles next week...

Sure, blame everything on me.  First it's the Chicago phone 
sub-station fire, now this.  And no matter what anyone tells you I 
didn't have anything to do with the Hubble Telescope either.

JGH
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From: mhopper@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mark Hopper)
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:51:05 GMT

In article <1dm92iINNmbi@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>All this talk about crazy plays made me think of one of the best I've ever
>seen. About 10 years ago, Wisconsin was down by about 5 to Illinois with about
>a minute to go. On a third (or fourth) and long, QB Randy Wright stepped back
>and threw a pass towards Al Toon if memory serves me correctly. Toon caught
>the ball on a short hop and fired a long TD pass to a wide-open Badger
>receiver. The throw to Toon was a lateral, but when it bounced, the Illinois
>
>--salty
>
>
 I recall reading about one trick play some years ago in Sport magazine
  if I recall correctly. Anyway, the quarterback comes to the line of
  scrimmage and starts his count, after surveying the defense, he acts
 as though he is going to call time out and begind to stroll towards his
 sideline.  The center then snaps the ball to the fullback and he bowls
 through the unsuspecteing D for a short first down.

MH
A
MH

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades (Giants pick Bunch - good move!)
Organization: University of Michigan
	<Adriene_Nazaretian.5.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:46:20 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.5.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:

   >> >28, NY Giants, Jarrod Bunch, fb, Michigan.

   Here's a good pick, Bunch has already produced for the giants.  I dont 
   follow the college scene, does anyone have info on him while he was at 
   michigan?

What do you want to know?  Leroy Hoard split tb/fb duties while a junior and
took some time away from Jarrod.  When Leroy split, Jarrod became the man.  A
real solid fb always has a chance to be the man in Michigan's offense.  Great
blocking, and a fairly high yps/pc without getting a ton of carries.  And he
showed some pass catching skills.

Bill
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From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: John Offerdahl
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:43:12 GMT

I wrote yesterday that the paper had indicated that John Offerdahl
my be placed on IR.  The paper today states that he was not put on
IR but he is doubtful for this Sundays game.

Ted
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:19:46 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.175348.18339@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>Not everyone in the first round was the 1st player taken.  (And not 
>every team traded up to get the pick.)  You've got to have different 
>standards for the #1 pick and the #28.

The 1991 draft was one in which the experts said there was no clear
cut #1 pick, especially after The Rocket went to the CFL.  But Dallas
acquired that pick before he did so.  Part of the attraction for that pick
was the ability to negotiate with him.  If they could agree on a contract,
the Cowboys would have the opportunity to keep him or field subsequent
offers for him.  At worst, the Cowboys knew if he went north, they'd 
have the power to negotiate with other players and pick the one they
wanted.  This was worth a lot to Dallas, as was a player the caliber
and character of Russell Maryland.  Somebody's got to pick first, Dallas
just wanted to make sure it was them.

>I certainly wouldn't say Maryland has been a bust.  It's too early for 
>that.  If someone said he's been a disappointment so far I'd probably 
>agree.

Well, if you think Maryland has been a disappointment then you must
give that label to just about every other player in that first round.




Ray       GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Prime Time's Predictions
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov13.162918.19096
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.003713.1077@babbage.ece.uc.edu> saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:
>In article <bgk2001-111192160458@m248-108.bgsu.edu> bgk2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Brian G. Kendrick) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>Upset Special-        New England at Indianapolis
>>
>>               -No way this team can go 0-16, their coach is just too
>>                good.  They are overdue for a huge win, and Indianapolis
>>                is vulnerable, especially without Emtman, in the Hoosier
>>Dome.                        
>>                Dick Macpherson deserves this win, the patriots will win   
>>                outright!
>>                         New England 16  Indy 14
>   
> Isn't MacPherson out w/ some intestinal problem ??? Just wondering if he is
> back already. I agree w/ your pick though. If NE has to win even one this 
>is their best chance w/ Emtman out and Jeff George not throwing that good.
>But if NE is not under Dick MacPherson then it might be like the Indy-Jets
>game ...

MacPherson is about to undergo intestinal surgery.He'll be out for a while.

Go 9ers!
Don Newson
Sequent Computer Systems
>
>
> Aji
>
>-- 
>  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
>  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
>  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
>  |                                     | 			    |
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From: asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar)
Subject: Sports Illustrated midseason All-Pro team
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:51:06 GMT

>Article 34364 in rec.sport.football.pro:
>Subject: Sports Illustrated midseason All-Pro team

>New stars are emerging, as evidenced by a poll of 21 NFL personnel
>directors and scouts (11 from the NFC, 10 from the AFC) for SI's
>midseason All-Pro team.

>Pos.    Player                  Team     
>--OFFENSE
>WR      Michael Irvin           Cowboys     
>T       Mike Kenn               Falcons    
>G       Randall McDaniel        Vikings
>C       Bruce Matthews          Oilers      
>G       Steve Wisniewski        Raiders     
>T       Richmond Webb           Dolphins  
>TE      Keith Jackson           Dolphins    
>WR      Jerry Rice              49ers       
>QB      Steve Young             49ers       
>RB      Emmitt Smith            Cowboys    
>RB      Ricky Watters           49ers

>--DEFENSE
>DE      Chris Doleman           Vikings 
>DT      Cortez Kennedy          Seahawks 
>DE      Neil Smith              Chiefs    
>OLB     Wilber Marshall         Redskins
>ILB     Jeff Herrod             Colts      
>ILB     Junior Seau             Chargers    
>OLB     Bryan Cox               Dolphins  
>CB      Rod Woodson             Steelers    
>CB      Nate Odomes             Bills      
>FS      Louis Oliver            Dolphins    
>SS      Todd Scott              Vikings  
>--SPECIALISTS
>K       Pete Stoyanovich        Dolphins 
>P       Rohn Stark              Colts     
>RET     Mel Gray                Lions      
>--COACH
>        Dennis Green            Vikings


Gee!  Not a single player from the SUPERBOWL CHAMPS EAGLES:-). Guess the
21 NFL personnel directors and scouts have no eye for the best palyers
in NFL who seem to exist in the Eagles team. Or is it that only the
eagles fan know about them.
And how come Steve young was voted as the qb.  Time and again it is
explained to us by fans from Philly that Randall is the best. Guess the
21 NFL personnel directors and scouts were not feeling good when they
selected this team without Randall and any Eagle. 

Ashish
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From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:28:50 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct28.173849.12273@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August) writes:
> 
> In order for Houston to reach the SuperBowl, they need HFA throughout
> the playoffs.  If they can go 4-1 in the next 5 road games, we may be
> on our way -- @Steelers, @Minn, @Miami, @Detroit, and @Browns.  I feel
> a 13-3 record is the least we can have to hope for HFA.
> 
> Man for man the Oilers are amongst the top three teams in the league,
> but IMHO coaching is what's hindering the team.  I have no problem with
> Pardee; but as I've stated in an earlier post, the defensive coordinator
> (Jim Eddy) has called questionable plays in decisive moments.  On the
> other hand, he has called some brilliant play selections.  The Oilers
> need to start playing 60 solid min. of football.
> 
> Nevertheless, I'm with Houston til the end.
> 
>     
> --
> 
> The rayster             ** Go Oilers
>                         ** Go Braves
>                         ** Bulls in 93
	If I were you rayster, I'd blame the R+S.  Pardee is a good coach, but
somewhere along the lines, someone convinced Pardee that the R+S was a viable
offense, and not just a gimmick, and he bought it.  White is the thrid leading
rusher in the NFL, and he is in the R+S.  If you guys ran a normal offense,
imgaine the damage he could do.  I think the Oilers will never make it to the
SB until they rid themselves of the R+S, and revamp their OL to be more run
oriented.  They're a great bunch of pass blockers, but without the
draws'n'stuff, White'd never get any blocking.
	-Skins fan that thinks Ryp is overrated
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: 2,000 yard rushers and a little more (top ten single season)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:40:33 GMT
Keywords: 2000 rushing 



                        SINGLE-SEASON RUSHING LEADERS

            Player           Team      year  att.  yards   avg
      ------------------ ------------ ------ ----- ------ -----
 1    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1984   379   2105   5.6
 2    O.J. Simpson       Buffalo       1973   332   2003   6.0
 3    Earl Campbell      Houston       1980   373   1934   5.2
 4    Jim Brown          Cleveland     1963   291   1883   6.5
 5    Walter Payton      Chicago       1977   339   1852   5.5
 6    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1986   404   1821   4.5
 7    O.J. Simpson       Buffalo       1975   329   1817   5.5
 8    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1983   390   1808   4.6
 9    Marcus Allen       LA Raiders    1985   390   1759   4.5
10    Gerald Riggs       Atlanta       1985   397   1719   4.3
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I can't remeber if anybody last season cracked this list.  But, I
am sure the Cowboys fans will be all over me if Emmitt got more
than 1719 yards last season and I didn't include him.  So, let
me know if missed any people from last season.

If you find any errors in this listing or wish to comment on the 
content, please notify me at:

cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu

Thank you,

Bryan Cooper
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: COWBOYS WIN!!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:18:03 GMT
Organization: NASA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
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In article <BxFJJr.5yx@abode.ttank.com>, eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. 
Bennett) writes:
> 
> The reason why I hate living in L.A. is that not only do both home teams
> suck, if one team is playing on another channel at the same time they don't
> give you both games. They force the home team down your throat when the home
> team is playing away. It sucks! The Raiders suck. The Rams suck... 
> 
> Anyway, the Cowboys tamed the Lions today 34-7. Emmitt Smith had three
> touchdowns on 19 carries but had less than 100 yards. 
> 
> Irvin and Aikman had some great hookups (I saw a couple in the highlights).
> Irvin had one touchdown today.
> 
> Anyway.... I'll wait for the more detailed reports by other people who got
> to see the game.
> 
> Eric
> 
> GO COWBOYS!!!
> The best record in the NFL!

Good news, Eric. Da Boyz play the Ewes next Sunday at home, so you'll see it 
on TV! (Now only if I could say that for myself... I live in Hampton, VA in 
midst of Deadskin country...)

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       John Paul Phillips   
             "Azjohn"         
         NASA/Langley        
azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov
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From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (james webb)
Subject: Lawrence Taylor
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 21:10:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lawrence Taylor
Summary: 
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Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: 


	I'm suprised that there hasn't been more postings about Taylor's career
ending injury. Being taken out of Giant stadium on a golf cart isn't really the
way to end one of the greatest careers in pro football history. I've never 
really cared for the Giants much, but we're talking about one of THE greatest
players to ever play the game, and maybe the greatest defensive player that 
will EVER play the game.

	What's the deal with you Giants fans? The only mention of this that
I saw was in a Packers fan game summary. Jeez, hazve some respect for the 
greatest player your team will ever see.

	No one man ever made more of an impact on football that LT did. The 
sporting world has lost one of its best. A sad day indeed.



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From: hall@pisces.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031)
Subject: Re: 49er's-Saints Division tie breaker questio
Organization: MDSSC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:27:45 GMT

> 
> The Saints also come away if they loose to Washington, Buffalo, and
> Miami, with an 11-5 record.

>See above comments... the Saints could also lose to the Rams, and to Atlanta!!!!
>Remember, the Saints also only beat the Rams by 3 at home and do not like to >play on
>natural grass. Knox will have my Rams READY!!!!

What makes you think that either Miami or Buffalo can beat the Saints - 
Not likely in my opinion - and the Redskins had better be playing a
lot better than they have been.

Also, what is this BS about the Saints not liking natural turf? Their
style of play is ideally suited to it!

I will concede, however, that the Rams are better than their record
and certainly won't be taken lightly.

I think that the point of the original posting is valid, however. By losing 
a game within the conference, the 49ers have basically allowed the Saints
to occupy the driver's seat. If the Saints win the Nov. 15 showdown,
they will have the inside track to the division crown.

GEAUX SAINTS!!
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why was 1984 such an amazing year?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:10:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Nov13.071407.10610@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>I was looking thru my almanac the other day, and I noticed that 
>1984 must have been a good year for vitamins, cause nearly every
>major NFL record was broken that year.  
>Why was this such a freakishly productive year?  Anybody remember?
> 
   Because the biggest bozo in our FFL league just happens to be the
   luckiest bozo also. In a given, he picks Dickerson with the #1 overall
   pick. Having back-to-back picks at the end of the second and beginning
   of the third round, he gets Lomax and Green. Having absolutely no other
   talent to speak of because of silly picks, he wins the league when Lomax
   and Green go crazy on the final week of the season as he vaults over 3
   other teams to win it. 

   In case you didn't guess, we had on the teams he passed by :(

   --salty