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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: More Thoughts about Flyers-Penguins
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:47:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <Bvr8yo.27G.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.125833.16028@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>>
>>3)  Does Pit (or Pitt) have a fan replay referee business instead of
>>    a fan announcer business?  That was an improper callback of
>>    a goal.  Hoggarth saw the whole damn thing and he said it was
>>    good.
>
>Hoggarth did not see the whole "damn thing".  What he saw was a collision at
>the net, and then the puck in the net.  From where he was standing, he had no 
>idea how it got into the net. 
>
>I sit behind the net.  The puck had come to rest on the outer edge of the line.
>Barrasso was turning to find it when Brent Fedyk crashed into him and shoved
>the puck with his body.  The goal was disallowed because it had been directed
>into the net. 
>
 Excuse me, but one way or another the puck was going to go into the net.
If you could put your typical blind Pittsburgh attitude in your pocket
for a second you could see that he was heading right for the net, so 
either his stick would hit it in, which was impeded by the defenceman,
or his body would crash in to the net.  Since he was leaning forward to poke
the puck in the only way to keep from getting crushed by the net would be
to fall.  The fact that his *body* (the puck hit his arm) knocked in
the puck is superseded by the fact that he was trying to hit the puck with
his stick.  By your testimony, all those goals that were counted because
the players missed the puck on a rebound but happened to go in off their
skate, should be disallowed.  And as far as Hoggarth is concerned, he
could see what was going on, albeit through the net.  The reason the
goal should have been allowed is because he did not direct the puck into
the net purposefully with any part of his body.  He may have thought that
if he missed w/ his stick that he was going into the net regardless, but
he didn't throw the puck in the net.  If you have never have seen a hockey
game in which the puck has gone into the net off of the body when the
player missed with his stick then I apologize for the above remarks.


Kevin
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From: rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs)
Subject: Re: On ice ads
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Keywords: Foodland instead of the quote
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:55:14 GMT

In article <Bvt6tq.E1w.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>I guess I'm being old fashioned.  I just think ads don't belong on the ice.
>How does everyone else feel about this issue?

Yes, it is tacky.  On the other hand, a few adds in centre ice doesn't
harm anything and increases revenue.  Professional hockey is at a
crossroads;  increased salaries but without the increase in revenues
and fan base.  Many teams, including Pittsburgh, are not finacially
well off and it would be a shame to see Pittsburgh have to dump some of
the teams better players to lower the payroll.  (Much like Edmonton
did).

Now then I hope the players don't become skating billboards like 
race care drivers.  Remeber the huff, when Grand Fuhr had pads that
had the pepsi logo on them?!?

-Rory

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"Well, I'm in grad school"
From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FLYERS in Quebec...
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:11:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Oct14.071103.28852
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster


Well, the summary hasn't been posted yet, so I thought I'd mention some
interesting facts about tonights game:

The FLYERS lost 6-3.

Goals by...
Lindros:                  2
Guys traded for Lindros:  3

It was confusing for me to see Huffman, Duschene, Ricci, and Hextall as
Nordiques, but I must say, they played damn well.  Ricci was the number 1
star of the game with 2 goals.  (Lindros was number 2.)  Duschene also had
a goal, to make the trade seem like the Nordiques made off better.

Honestly, I feel extremely happy for Ricci.  He deserved tonight more than
anyone.  Also, I think the Nordiques got a deserved win, just so they wouldn't
get slapped in the face once again by Lindros.  (After the attempt to trade him
twice, I am less worried about them getting slapped in the face, however.)

Well, I just thought I'd say that much, and let Pete do the rest.  Anyone
else find this interesting?

Fred
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From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Subject: Re: Best line this year?
Organization: Micronav International
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:36:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.163248.7154@oz.plymouth.edu> d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) writes:
>In article <1apnfkINNa3q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>
>>Which line in hockey do you think would be the best this year?
>>
>>Stevens-Lemieux-Tocchett
>>
>>or
>>
>>Brind'amour-Lindros-Recchi
>>
>>or even...
>>
>>Whoever plays on the left-Yzerman-Ciccerelli
>>-- 
>>Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
>>University of Michigan Class of 1996

>Laugh now if you will, but I submit:

>Oates/Juneau/Kvartalnov


I agree.  I saw the Bruins-Hartford game on NESN last night and that line 
was something!  And it will only get better as they get used to playing 
together.  Watch for Juneau and Oates to play alot of 4 on 4. 

P.S.  Just a side note - a while ago I predicted that Juneau would outscore 
Lindros.  Well, the Score is now Juneau 2, Lindros 1.


Mike
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From: david@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Subject: Re: Peter Stastny
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:36:26 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na

In article <13214@express> currie@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Currie) writes:
>I haven't seen Stastny's name in any summaries.  Is he still
>with the Devils?

Holding out, I believe.

Dave Lu
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Not from Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Imponderables/ULF!
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:51:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct16.191424.15108@ll.mit.edu>, tz@ll.mit.edu (Taras Zommers) writes...
>In article <Bw83pG.IH3@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
> 
>>Once again for the slow people...Cam Neely hurt himself when HE went after
>>Ulf.  Neely's injury did not happen from the well documented hit near center
>>ice.  Neely himself has said this but the vast majority of fanatics and
>>knuckleheads have choosen to ignore this fact to press on with the great
>>Kill Ulf Crusade.  Get a clue...Neely hurt himself because he couldn't take
>>the hit without trying to get revenge.
>>
> 
>Neely did in fact say that the check that looked like it caused the injury
>was not in fact the damaging blow.  It was, however, not a retaliatory hit
>by Neely as stated above but a hit PRIOR to that one, by Ulf, that was the
>cause of the problems in Cam's thigh and knee.

I saw an interview with Neely where he said the injury happened after the
hit at center ice when he went after Ulf and Ulf ducked away from the hit.
If Cam's changed his story since than, that's something else.

Also, I'm talking about the injury that caused his thigh muscle to calcify.
The knee injury that's keeping him out now was caused by his trying to come
back from the muscle calcification too early.  That's at least what has
come from what I've read in the Toronto Star, Bflo News and Hockey News.

Every paper I've seen had only mentioned the tissue calcification as his
only injury until that went away and Neely played the 9 games last year
and then he had a knee problem.  If the knee problem happened at the
same time as the muscle problem, nobody ever seemed to mention it that I
know of.

The real point of all this isn't to debate Neely's injury and when it happened
but if Ulf's hits were cheap shots.  To me the center ice hit and others he's
thrown (especially in the Playoff series against Boston) can be called border
line legal hits, but no more borderline than the elbows and punches Neely and
many other players throw.  If Ulf was such a cheapshot player, I'm sure the
rest of the players around the league and on his own team would make it known
and perhaps even do something about it.  Instead all I hear is Neely, Don
Cherry and a few others whine about Europeans and the cheapshots they dish out.

The fact remains that if Ulf was from Ontario and named Joe Blow everybody
would just say he's just a hard hitting player who wants to win.  Why does
Cherry hate Ulf but likes Craig Muni who I've seen take out at least 4 people
with low hits?

Anyways, enough debating a year and a half old topic.

Guy
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Subject: Canuck stats thru Oct 13
Reply-To: harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:02:04 GMT

VANCOUVER STATISTICS THROUGH OCTOBER 13, 1992


----NAME----    CLUB    GOALS   ASS     PTS     PP      SH     GW GT
Pavel Bure      VAN     5       3       8       0       2       1 0
Greg Adams      VAN     3       2       5       1       0       1 0
Geoff Courtnall VAN     3       2       5       0       0       1 0
Cliff Ronning   VAN     2       2       4       2       0       0 0
Trevor Linden   VAN     1       2       3       1       0       0 0
Jyrki Lumme     VAN     1       2       3       0       1       0 0
Petr Nedved     VAN     1       2       3       0       0       0 0
Dixon Ward      VAN *   0       3       3       0       0       0 0
Sergio Momesso  VAN     1       1       2       0       0       0 0
Jim Sandlak     VAN     1       1       2       0       0       0 0
Tom Fergus      VAN     0       2       2       0       0       0 0 
Doug Lidster    VAN     0       2       2       0       0       0 0
Adrien Plavsic  VAN     0       2       2       0       0       0 0
Gerald Diduck   VAN     0       1       1       0       0       0 0
Gino Odjick     VAN     0       1       1       0       0       0 0
Garry Valk	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0 0

                                      (courtesy of Matthew Militzok)

-----
Line Combinations so far:
	Ward      -  Adams   -  Bure
	Momesso   -  Ronning -  Linden
	Courtnall -  Nedved  -  Sandlak
	Valk      -  Fergus  -  Odjick

-----


Games Played: 	3
Wins:		3
Losses:		0
Ties:		0


Game 	Date	Opposition	Result	Score	Tidbits
----	----	----------	------	-----	-------
1	Oct 6	@ Edm		  W 	5-4
2	Oct 10	Edm		  W 	5-2	Courtnall bags 2 goals
3	Oct 12	Winnipeg	  W 	8-1	Bure gets 4 goals, 1 assist
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Playing for free?                            
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:40:29 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct7.124359.19670@cbnews.cb.att.com>, chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:

>>I think Craig Patrick just took over from Ron Caron as the resident jerk in the
>>eyes of NHL GM's. This is the contract by which all future contracts will be
>>judged. How long before Hull, Lindros, Yzerman, Lafontain, etc. want more
>>money? Can you spell LOCKOUT?
> 
> 	I think hockey players are different from all other pro athletes,
> most are not in it for the money! They are playing to be playing!

I hope you're kidding here. I really hope you are. If not, please leave home
and experience life.

Do you work at your job because you love to work? Would you work for less
money, or better yet, free? I don't think so. Money makes the world go 'round,
and hockey players are no exception. They want as much as they can get. If they
weren't in it for the money, there would be no holdouts, but sadly enough,
there are.

							Alan

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: shoe@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith)
Subject: Re: NHL (Cleveland) Trivia Question
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.134823.11941@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>
>
>	In the 1975-1976 and 1976-1977 seasons Cleveland had a profesional 
>Hockey team of some sorts.
>
  I thought the Clevland Barons belonged to the now defunct WHA.

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Subject: Mediocre Canadian Teams
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:26:17 GMT


The Nordiques should be a serious contender for the Adams title, if
Hextall returns to form.  They will fill the net this year, and make
the playoffs, but will learn early in the playoffs that defence wins
playoff games.

The Habs look to be the worst team they've had in about a decade.
Some depth at center (once Carbonneau and Skrudland return), but
unless Petrov is really "The Next Naslund", they have no depth on the
wings.  The defence is small and unspectacular.  Roy is unpredictable.

The Leafs will be competitive once they adapt to Burns' style, but
have a decidedly plain team beyond Gilmour.  They need a big revival
from Wendel Clark (who will learn the meaning of "both ends of the
rink" before Burns is through with him) and a good year from rookie
Borschevsky to make the playoffs.

The Jets could challenge for the Smythe title this year, but come
playoff time the high European content could mean a quick exit if they
play a physical team like Vancouver or Edmonton.  Solid goaltending.

The Flames are a shadow of their former selves, and beyond their top 5
man unit, are weak.  Dave King, the first real coach they've had since
Badger Bob, will put a competitive team on the ice (much better than
last year), but doesn't have a lot to work with.

The Oiler bubble may burst this year, and the Oilers may not make the
playoffs at the expense of L.A.  It's sad to see them lose their
talented players, year after year.  At least they still have Ranford,
Tikkanen and MacTavish, with whom I would go to war.  Personally, I
wouldn't want to go to war with flaky forwards Nicholls, Corson and
Klima.

Finally, the Canucks, probably the best hope for bringing the Cup home
where it belongs.  Trevor Linden, good coaching, Trevor Linden, good
goaltending, Trevor Linden and Pavel Bure.  But look for a letdown
after last year's successes.

Can anyone make a convincing case for any of the Canadian teams being
legitimate contenders for the Cup this season?

-- 
Murray
From: rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com (Rich Wernick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Being a Bruins Fan
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:22:13 GMT
Reply-To: rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com
Distribution: rec
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748


I would would like to share with you other Bruins fans a correspondance I recieved
just recently from a Montreal fan regarding how much fun it is to be a Bruins fan.
My posting was purley in fun of how much it means when either Boston beats Montreal,
or how much fun it must be when Montreal beats Boston. No two teams in Hockey have a 
greater rivalry when it comes time for play-offs. My posting was in response to some other
article critisizing how being a Bruins fan must be fun. I simply refered to how nice it was
to see Boston sweep Montreal last year. Nobody who ever has been a Bruins fan fears a 
Montreal-Boston matchup when Spring time comes around. Any team that has won as many 
Stanley Cups as Montreal deserves a lot of respect, and any Bruins fan will be the first
to admit it, myself included. But an angry Montreal fan responded to me directly, and I
just thought I would share this with the rest of the Hockey world. Bruins fans do get 
carried away from time to time, as any other true fan would. But this posting I recieved
is an insult to the Hockey world, especially in the Montreal area
This is the article I recieved from McGill University!!

From shayne@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Tue Oct 13 16:36:52 1992
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89)
To: rich@jasmine
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!


 On Oct 13, 15:14 ; regarding Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!! ; rich@quik.clearpoint.com wrote: 

It took a whole 2 weeks to respond to my article? It took me a while to figure
out what this pertained to.


> Get real will you!! If you don't have a sense of
> humor, don't post anything at all.

If you had read the original article, you would have seen that the poster
specifically stated he was not a Habs fan.

I was merely pointing the fact that usually most Bruins fans stay quiet all 
season and then wait till playoffs, make total fools of themselves and the 
Bruins lose yet again. Then they shut up, we don't hear anything till next 
playoffs. 

Bruins fans are the most arogant, stupid, childish  fans in all of sports.
Your post is proof of it.

I do have a sense of humor, but I don't get off on making fun of other teams,
that's something I did when I was a child. How old are you anyway - 5??
Maybe you have nothing better to do with your time, besides wacking yourself
off.


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Thanks for your Time

Rich
From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Dale Derkatch (WAS = Re: Chris Kontos in Ilves
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:35:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6Mn5.Dxt
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

tiok_jk@tac.fi (Juha Koivisto) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.112547.1703@tac.fi>, tiot_kk@tac.fi (Kimmo Kauranen) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct12.133801.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>> 
>> Yes, Kontos played in Ilves about 4-5 years ago. He did not play very well,
>> but satisfactionally. At the same time there was another Canadian in Ilves,
>> Dale Derkatch. Dale was short, but very good shooter. He played 2 or 3 years,
>> but left then to Germany.

>Dale Derkatch played in Ilves 129 games (1986-1989) and made 88+85=173
>points in regular seasons and he also played 9 games and made 3+2=5
>points in play-offs. He really was very good shooter and skater.

Dale Derkatch was a fine hockey player, who had incredible numbers as
a junior in Regina.  He was drafted by the Oilers.  Why didn't he make
the big league?  Mr. Derkatch is small.  5'8" or so.  Typically, when
I look over the NHL hockey guide and see someone with fabulous junior
numbers who never made it in the NHL they are under 5'11"  Sad that
hockey talent like this is not given a chance in the NHL.  

>Can anyone from Germany tell how he is playing now ?

I'd be interested too.  

=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- 

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]  
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From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Re: New Minor League Hockey Magazine/Paper
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:44 GMT

In article <Bvq8Lp.11t@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> leedymd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael Leedy) writes:
>I am please to annouce to those that are minor league hockey
>fans that there  is a new hockey paper being introduced.  The
>paper is call "hockey Ink" and  is devoted to covering the AHL,
>IHL, ECHL, CHL.  The promo issue looks  great.  ........
>
>Mike Leedy 
>leedymd@sage.cc.purdue.edu

I agree with Mike..this looks like a great paper.  I think it should be
pointed out the the CHL stands for the Colonial Hockey League NOT the 
Central league.

Mike stole my thunder because I was going to put this on the net...
I'm subscribing today!

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he said:
"What is inside a Chinaman should stay inside a Chinaman....
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Ditto for Motorola's opinions!

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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: NHL (Cleveland) Trivia Question
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:20:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.164343.18197@pixel.kodak.com> clare@bissun.kodak.com (Bill Clare) writes:
>
>A post in this thread named Vancouver as one of the original expansion
>teams.  They were not. The expansions were as follows:
>67-68: St. Louis, Minnesota, Los Angeles, Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
>70-71: Buffalo, Vancouver
>72-73: Atlanta, Long Island
>74-75: Washington, Kansas City
>79-80: WHA expansion: Edmonton, Quebec, Hartford, Winnipeg
>91-92: San Jose
>92-93: Ottawa, Tampa Bay
>
>Oakland changed names a few times; to California (also, name changed from
>Seals to Golden Seals) before moving to Cleveland (Barons) before folding
>(players became property of the North Stars)

Other way around.  The original team was the California Seals, who became
the Oakland Seals in Decemeber of 1967, who later became the California 
Golden Seals.

>Hartford was known as "New England" in the WHA.  I'll bet the reason for the
>name change upon entry to the NHL was Boston taking issue with it, but I
>don't actually know this to be true.

I don't think the New England Whalers played in Hartford during the WHA 
days ... anyone remember for certain?

-- 
Mike Godfrey	          "I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty.
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT     I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty."
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   	-- The Simpsons

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From: 910492c@ace.acadiau.ca (DARYL BRYAN COGSWELL)
Subject: Re: Benoit Hogue
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:57:19 GMT

Hogue is playing in Long Island.  I think I saw his name in for a penalty so 
I wouldn't say he's injured.
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New uniforms and ... What's the deal on that Pens Logo?
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:02:40 GMT
	<1992Oct7.214647.28978@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I saw the Leafs and Whalers jerseys during the draft.  I like 'em both,
I think they did a good job.  I also saw the Devils' jerseys then.  They
look ok with the black.  I was never very keen on their jerseys in the
first
place so they still don't do much for me.

--Tom
From: carrie@hikita.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Martin Hamrlik
Date: 12 Oct 1992 13:36:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: hikita.wpi.edu
Summary: a few questions


HI...

  I have a few questions about Martin Hamrlik.  One, where was he born and what
is his birthday?  Two, is Roman Hamrlik his younger brother?  Three, anyone
have his stats for the year before last and the team he played for?

Thanks,
Carrie
carrie@wpi.wpi.edu
GO INDIANS!!!!!!!!
GO ISLANDERS!!!!!!
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