HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dana@rlathena.athena.lkg.dec.com (Dana Mackonis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Health Survey - AGAIN
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:37:56 GMT
Reply-To: dana@rlathena.athena.lkg.dec.com (Dana Mackonis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Could you tell us the total number of owners that were polled?  Our club
has instituted a Health Registry and we are looking for directions in
which to go... I would like to know more information if you can provide it 
for me, either thru the net or directly into this file.

dana
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I have heard that dogs are much more accepted in every day life in Europe
than here in the states.  I wonder what causes such a difference in 
attitudes.  It seems to me that if the attitudes in the states were more
like Europe, there wouldn't be some of the unreasonable fears that people
have of dogs.  By unreasonable, I mean that there are a lot of people who
are afraid of dogs only because dogs are unfamiliar to them.  They have not
been around them and develop this fear.  If dogs were allowed out more,
many of these people could be exposed to them and accept them easier.
This is OF COURSE assuming that owner's are responsible and know their
own dogs. 
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From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Subject: Re: Barking
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:12:06 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

(linda.j.young) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions to curb constant barking?  Or do you
>think he will just grow out of this as he gets older and adjusts to my
>life?

I'm not an expert and I've never tried this, but I've heard of collars that
you can put on a dog.  They detect when the dog barks and "tickle" them
with a light electrical shock.  I wouldn't think it would take too long
to train him not to bark in this manner.

Anyone tried this?
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From: Erica.L.Pantages@dartmouth.edu (Erica L. Pantages)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: locating Newfoundland near VT
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:41:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I'm looking for any info on how to locate a newfoundland pup near my
home in Vermont.  I'm willing to drive whatever the minimum distance
is, but would like to find something as close as possible.

thanks,
Dave

Dave Green
daveg@Apple.com
802-295-6873
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From: dbm@ssd.intel.com (David Minturn)
Subject: Re: Tracking & Ants
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:37:45 GMT

)I've recently moved from Louisiana to Austin Texas and I've shyed away from
)tracking because I have a green dog that's never tracked before... how do I
)use food to motivate it when there's a fire ant problem?

>> Don't use food in the first place.
>> If you must motivate, make it a game of find the sock, as described
>> for example in Davis ``Go Find!''
>> (Motivation is the quickest way to get your dog tracking, but not
>> the best, the alternative being given in Koehler, which depends on
>> prior training in the forced retrieve.  There is a great difference
>> in reliability and the dog's attitude to the job after a few weeks,
>> in favor of the latter.)

I disagree with these statements.  My wife and I have put 5 TDs and 1 TDX
on our dogs using food as the primary motivator for tracking.  We and just 
about everyone else we have met tracking, (including the judges),
go by the Glenn Johnson methods, "Tracking dogs, theory and methods", which
is has the track layer use food if necessary for motivation.  This book is
considered by many to be the bible of tracking training and I would highly
recommend it to anyone starting out.

Here in Oregon we have problems with Yellow Jackets
on the tracks, so what we will do is use some sort of dry treat that does not
attract them.  When the dogs become more trained and motivated to find the 
end article, we lay tracks with no food and other types of articles such as
socks, balls, etc. for motivation.  This works for dogs that are article 
oriented but we have seen a couple dogs that only work with the food treats. 

When we train for TDX tests, we put goodies in the articles themselves sometimes
to motivate the dog on.  We have found that motivation is one of the most important
things needed for TDX tests because of the difficulty and length of the track.  One
must do whatever it takes to keep the dog motivated through difficult areas on the
track and believe me there are many of these on TDX tracks.

Dave.

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From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Need obedience class--Boston
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:50:11 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

This is a pretty locality-specific question, so I hope someone can help me.
Can anyone in the Boston area reccommend (sp?) an obedience trainer or 
group?  I've finally decided that Spenser (not for hire, unless you have 
a cookie for him) *really* needs to be trained.  I hope it's not impossible
(he's 7 years old).  It would make both of our lives much less stressful.  
Anyhow, thanks in advance.  
     Gretchen Belli
            & Spensissimo (who said YeeeHaaa in his sleep yesterday.  Most
beagles chase rabbits in their sleep.  Mine rides the range.)
PS  Money *is* an object.
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From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Re: Dog is totally stiff
Keywords: arthritis, stiff from diarhea
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:31:16 GMT

In article <BvB2pE.8rn@acsu.buffalo.edu> berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind) writes:
>I was wondering what a dog's regular temperature is?  I think I heard it is
>between 100.5 - 101 F.  Is that right?  I took his temperature yesterday  
>and it was 103.7 F. The vet told us that it is not that high and we should
>keep on watching him.  Wotan is not that stiff anymore.  He only has
>problems sitting down, but he runs around again. His diarrhea is gone but
>his stools are still dark brown and he is still sleeping a lot -- he is
>definitely not as energetic as he used to be before all this started.
>We are right now in the process of finding a different vet, too.
>Heike

Heike,

103.7 isn't real high if a dog has just been active, or is covered with
a blanket.  If measured on a dog that has been at rest for a while and
not in a warm place, it has more significance.  Normal temperatures run
101-103.

Did your vet suggest taking blood samples for complete blood count and
blood chemistries?  If so, did you consent to have these tests done?  If
so, did they show any abnormalities?  Were any other tests performed?
It is not possible to say what your dog has or had from just the outward
signs alone.

-Jeff
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(Jeff Parke - Wash. State Univ. College of Vet. Med. class of 1994)
Internet:  jeffp@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
BITNET:    jeffp@wsuvm1.bitnet

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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Women in the Dog World
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:11:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.160702.3682@linus.mitre.org>
   bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
 
>
>I've been wondering about something recently.  The local Weimaraner
>Club's board of directors and officers are all women.  And it seems
>that most of the people on this net are women (is this right?).  Since
>I've never been to a dog show of any kind, I was wondering if most
>dogs are shown by women, and if most judges are women?  Similarly, are
>most breed clubs predominantly women?  There's nothing more than
>curiosity to this, and I was just wondering.
 
 
I can't speak for the conformation ring since I don't do that.  But
I can speak to this issue in Hunting Tests (at least for Retrievers).
Without taking a survey, it appears to me that more women participate
in hunting tests than participate in actual hunting (as a percentage).
Participate here includes running dogs and acting as judges.  They
are not, however a majority of either (at least not yet).  On a side
note, I would say that I believe that there is a small group of
people (both men and women) that will not run a dog under a female
judge.  I really don't have a good explaination for that (except
maybe that these people are sexist).
 
Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth.
 
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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: AKC Papers
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: ciacovel@telesciences.com
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.

CDI>I committed the sin of buying a Boston Terrier from a pet shop. Before I
CDI>get flamed, yes he was overpriced, yes I did not see the breeding parents t
CDI>determine the temperment, and yes I know I probably have supported a
CDI>puppy mill, BUT, he is so cute and affectionate that when I looked at him a
CDI>of my defenses and sensibilities crumbled.

CDI>When I purchased him from the pet store, I was told that they would apply f
CDI>his papers. Not being a previous pedigree owner, I was wondering what these
CDI>papers will represent? Furthermore, how do I know that said papers are
CDI>official?

Chris,
Basicly you answered your own question. The papers are only as good as
the paper they are written on. If the puppy is from a puppy mill then
you will never know if the pedigree is for real. But then you did not
buy this dog for its pedigree, I assume you bought it for a companion,
so don't sweat it. When you recieve the papers from the AKC, they are
official..Your dog will be an AKC registered Boston Terrier.
I am sorry that you bought it from a pet store, would rather you have
gotten the pup from a reputable breed, but we  do not live in a perfect
world.
Just love and take care of the lil' guy and he will give you lots of
love in return. I would however suggest that when the pup is old enough
that you have it spayed/nuetered as not to perpetuate a blood line that
cannot be verified. Also if this is a bitch she would more than likely
have to be C-Sect. to have pups. Boston's are not known for being free
whelpers. Sections are expensive and it makes for a lot of extra work
when raising pups.
Bostons are HOUSEDOGS! They do not have an undercoat which would protect
them from the heat or cold. That plus the short nose makes it dangerous
to leave the out for long periods of time, except in ideal weather.
They love to sleep in the bed, under the covers. There favorite place is
in your lap. These dogs are Companion Dogs, they live for you and need
lots of people contact. When someone asks me about Bostons I always ask
them how much they like dogs. You have to really love dogs around to
have a Boston as they will always be with you at arms reach.

Enjoy your new puppy!!

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Info - Husky Seizures
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:51:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: frcs.1992Sep30.195129.13239
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria

Thus spake sharon@kunikpok.UUCP (rich):

> My 2-year old Siberian Husky has suffered what appears to be
> an epileptic seizure. It's possible that a collapse previously
> attributed to heat exhaustion may also have been a seizure, for
> a total of two in the last 6 months.

> Does anyone have any experience with seizures that have
> been "proven" NOT to have been caused by epilepsy? If
> so, can you offer any advice?

My main advice - to students, vets and clients - is not to make a
diagnosis when all you have is a symptom. Your dog has a seizure
disorder, which could be due to all kinds of things. Roughly, the
causes might be toxins (endogenous or exogenous), deficiencies of
substances the brain needs (such as oxygen and glucose), space
occupying lesions, other neurological lesions, and biochemical
abnormalities in the brain. 

Idiopathic epilepsy is a diagnosis made by ruling out other possible
causes. Many of them can be partially ruled out by history - eg a dog
with a toxicity should be abnormal between seizures and not just
during them. But many of them can be easily ruled out by lab tests,
some of the others by a careful neurological exam and (if you have it
available) brain scan... etc.

Linda
 
       
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From: dbm@ssd.intel.com (David Minturn)
Subject: Re: Tracking & Ants
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:21:53 GMT

r hardin writes:
> I don't have the book here, but I remember Johnson didn't particularly
> like food, nor did Davis.  Why?

In Johnson's book there are numerous places where food is mentioned to
work dogs through problems and to train "non-retriever" oriented dogs
to track.  It is probably the book written by Davis that does not mention
food.  We have the Davis book,  I think this was the 
first book we bought years ago when we were just getting started.  It 
has remained in the bookshelf ever since.  The Johnson book however looks
like it has been through a war, it goes with us in the pack when ever we
go out tracking.

> There is NO motivator that can compare with a dog who loves doing
> a hard job well, especially on long and difficult tracks.  It is that
> satisfaction that games and food deny the dog, and that Koehler means
> to create room for.

I guess I don't understand this statement.  All of the dogs we have trained
are very eager to please us and after hours of training enjoy 
doing the job for which they were trained to perform.  Tracking is the one
area that the dogs really enjoy and the one sport where the dog is really
in control.  We have always used very positive reenforcement training 
methods, whether it be food or play toys, to keep the dogs motivated through
the hard times.  I am very satisfied with the results we have gotten from
these methods, my dog in particular, (Rottweiler, CH Blackwoods Bete Von
Dorow, CD TDX HCT) passed both her TD and TDX in her first trials,(the only
dog out of 5 to pass in the TDX test). 

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From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs perverted to include other breeds
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:30:47 GMT

In article <1ahm70INNmg1@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick) writes:
>
>>Oh, yes, pervert away!
>
>>How 'bout the Bassett Hound who on the Directed Retrieve exercise, instead
>>of picking up the glove picked up his ear by mistake and brought it all
>>the way back to the handler without ever realizing his what he had done?
>
>Then there was a particular Terv who took the high jump on the outside of
>the figure 8.  Remember Terri?
>
>We won't say who this particular dog belonged to.  
>
>--
>Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
>Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University

Yes, the only dog to ever NQ in Open by failing the figure 8 exercise.
I'll tell you one thing - that dog left me a lot of memories.  11 shows
to complete his CDX and each NQ was for a different thing.  He was very
creative!!
When I came out of the ring the day he "fancied up" the figure 8, someone
came up to me and said "You must be absolutely furious!"  All I could
do was laugh at her.  If you can't laugh at yourself or at your dog's
antics, you won't be in obedience very long.


(P.S. one more leg to another CDX!!  Marco's doing very well.)

Terri Hardwick 					(terrih@mcnc.org)
   	Apropos My Tigerlily PT CGC     (Terv)
   	Apropos My Marco Polo CD HT CGC (Terv)
	Meg (Border Collie)

Gone but not forgotten - Siegfried Von Der Niebel CDX            (GSD)
		 U-CD CH Fierami's Magical Mischief CDXTD HT CGC (Terv)
		 U-CD    Calais de la Zia CDX HIC                (Terv)
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Slow Sits
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:55:03 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Does anybody have any advice for improving the speed of my dobie's automatic
sits?

Thank you!


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Women in the Dog World
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:11:37 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Oct5.215027.27867@fns-nc1.fns.com>
   vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur) writes:
 
>>Since
>>I've never been to a dog show of any kind, I was wondering if most
>>dogs are shown by women,
>
>Yes.  Basicaly, the dog sport belongs to women, except MAYBE (big question
>mark) hunting trials.  Also, I have never seen protection work, but I
>wouldn't be surprised a bit if women prevail there as well.  This has intrigued
>me for a long time, but I did not find the answer.  Jack Volhard suggested
>that the dog sport is not viewed as "macho" enough to attract males.  I think
>it has more to do with male's lack of patiences and general trend to get
>the result fast
 
Well......my explaination for men not being involved in the show ring
is that most of us view it as nothing more than a beauty contest -
something most men couldn't care less about.  After all, when was
the last time you saw a man enter his baby in one of those shopping
mall baby beauty contests???   ;-)  (yes, I know, this is flame bait)
 
On the other hand, men do tend to be a majority in the field events
(albeit, a declining majority) which would tend to dispute your
assertion that men are less likely to get results (due to impatience?).
 
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From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves (Was: loose dogs)
Date: 25 Sep 92 10:49:34 EST

In article <Bv3F9o.EEJ@well.sf.ca.us>, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
> 
> My Akita is a descendant of the top Akita of all time (as, btw, are most
> Akitas :-).  But I never say anything about her "having papers".  The only
> time I get *really burned up*, though, is when people ask what kind of
> MIX my dog is.  MIX?  MIX?  Then I get very arrogant and shake my head
> slowly, letting them stew in their ignorant juices before I tell them
> she's a *purebred* Akita.  <sniff>
> 
>   :-)
You'll hjave to admit, an Akita isn't as common as some dogs.  My GOLDEN
RETRIEVER gets that very often when we are at the vet.  He's a nice golden,
very close to his conformation championship, but because he has such a big
head people often think that he is a mix between something and a St. Bernard!

I know how you feel!  I usually nicely say, "He's a purebred SHOW golden
retriever."  Don't want them to think he's just a bad specimen of the breed!

Kim
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:27:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In <1992Sep29.235741.24609@odin.corp.sgi.com>, Bill Glazier writes:
>Reasons why dogs are neat but kids are much better


Ah, but then again, Shakespeare never wrote:

	"..how sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless dog."


Dave
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From: karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Plastic Containers
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:01:46 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I don't know any particular details about dog food and plastic
containers, but here are some (possibly irrelevant) factoids about
plastics...

* making beer: the recipes always specify *food grade* 5 gallon
  plastic buckets
* garden-type hoses: there's one specially made for things like
  hooking up RV's, etc., that is, drinking-grade water. I have
  bought garden hoses that give off plastic fumes for months!
* some kinds of plastic containers, even food-type ones, are 
  alleged to kill seedling plants; growers recommend always using
  containers made for plants

I've certainly noticed that some plastics tend to smell for a very long
time, others hardly at all. I wouldn't store dog food in a sealed
container of out-gassing plastic. Most garbage can and household
plastic containers don't seem to have that problem.
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:41:26 GMT

r hardin writes:
>> What happened to unwanted dogs before there were shelters?
> Well, there were fewer of them, because the owners kept them longer.

Bzzzt!  Incorrect.

Care to try again?

Or should I stop bothering you with the facts?

> Strays are pretty uncommon nowadays.  I've taken a few in and
> trained them, to find them homes.  It's very easy, you should try it.
>
> Something not supported by the humane society.

Wrong again.  Local example: the humane society takes in strays,
shelters them at the city shelter, provides vet care, grooms them,
trains them, finds them homes.

Really, should I stop bothering you with the facts?  It's not as if
you're interested in them.

-- Jon
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