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From: udumudi@vanilla (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: South Indian<>Dravidian
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:25:56 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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(EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET) wrote:

=> When Selvakumar started this thread a few months back, I sent a personal
=> mail to him requesting him not to continue. I told him that I thought
=> any discussion on the net could only degenerate and that it would
=> eventually hurt the sensibilities of a lot of people. We see the rot
=> now. And it is time someone told him to stop.


selvakumar posts what he interprets from the studies he has been 
doing. he is convinced that there is a gross misrepresentation 
going on, and he is presenting evidence/facts to support his claim.
if people get hurt because something is being said that doesn't
agree with what they have been taught or what they believe, then
it's the people who have to change, not him. if they can't take
it, they shouldn't. if you or they can prove he is wrong, do so.
don't whine.


(EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET) goes on to say that this -- 

=> [this leads to] 'STEREOTYPING' of an average South Indian by rest of India 


I don't see how this could be done. and if someone does the stereotyping, 
it is not his fault. ask them to stop, not him.


=> A simple way to test this hypothesis is to conduct a poll on the nets
=> and I CHALLENGE the Pro-Dravidians to do so. Until then, you ask the
=> next South Indian (Non-Tamil) you meet and verify for yourself.


science is not democracy. the truth of a proposition is not evaluated 
by taking a popular vote. I can't believe that an educated person could
come out with a statement as the one above.


=> You have no right to criticize my country in a destructive way from
=> outside. As long as you are a part of India, you will suffer from the


it's not destructive. it's his country.


=> CLAIM 6 : RIGHTING HISTORICAL WRONGS IS DANGEROUS.
=> 
=> This should be self-evident. This is what Hitler did and RSS says it is
=> doing. Let us not repeat the mistakes of the past.


I don't see any relation between these two. attempt to right the 
[what he percieves as] scientific mis-beliefs is what I see.

listen without prejudice. 
						     -- srinivas
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:37508 soc.culture.tamil:3730
From: narain@csa.bu.edu (narain attili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Indian civilization being oldest
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:57:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Mf2bDyG00UhB02QmFE@andrew.cmu.edu: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
::That racism was rampant in his posts was completely evident
:
::Finally try to learm some south Indian history. May be Tamil
::scholars are ignorant about the Sathavahanas, Hoysalas, Chalukyas,
:
:Who the hell needs to learn about any of this? Maybe, you should try to
:learn more of the Tamil literature, history and arts. Are you confusing
:your blind 'Indian patriotism' with your inability to defend too many of
:your Aryan myths? Or, for you(it's quite obious), one must believe in
:the 'great deeds of Vedic poeple' to be a 'true Indian'? What a load of
:nonsence! 
:
:Or, I don't want to pretend to speak for all the Tamils from TN...just a
:few from there and more from Eelam. And I DONT need to sudy about
:Sathavahanas, Hoysalas, Chalukyas or whatever you can come up with. Too
:many Vedic 'holy men' have already diluted many Tamil acievements in an
      
         These are the type of arguments that are made when every nut tries
to  speak about history....
         This guy claims that (that is what i can conclude from his above
statements) he does not need to study about Sathavahanas, Hoyasalas,
Chalukyas etc., ie., he wants to restrict himself to what he thinks are
dravidian i suppose. There are some things which this guy should know..

        1. Raja Raja Chola(or was it Rajendra chola?), the great Chola king
was a heir to both the Chola and Chalukya empires. Ie., He had impure non
dravidian(!!) chalukya blood in him. Extending this guys argument, he
should not be interested in Cholas too...what about that?

        2. Hoyasalas were based in Dwarasamudram, which is somewhere around
Madhura..(please correct me)...they were tamil nadu based..

        3. The satavahana rulers were naga rulers, the very race our great
historian was arguing in the same post that they were dravidian.
   

       Moral of the story: Dont poke your nose into something about which
you know next to nothing.

:-Suresh

The original thread about ancient indian races has turned into something
else i guess.

-Narain.
From: patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:03:20 GMT
Reply-To: patel@key.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced System Division

In article Dyv@fiu.edu, petera@yoyo.fiu.edu (Ancin Xavier Peter) writes:

> 	The IRS taxes these people for the gratuituous payment too. They 
> are automatically taxed for 15% of the bill even if they do not get it.
> The issue is not whether the system is correct or not. The system exists.
> It is matter of human courtesy to tip the person. 
> 


Who is taxed 15% of the bill. The restaurant owner or the waiter?
I find it hard to believe that IRS expects each waiter to keep track of how
much total bill he waited on was and taxes the person irrespective of what
the tip collected. I believe the IRS expects the waiter (legal labor which
not mostly true for other helping hands who take share in the tips distribution) to 
report the total gratuity he/she received.
> 
> Ancin


Chandresh Patel
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:17:05 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

 
A reply to a message written by the idiot: mkatyal@opie.bgsu.edu
 
>Dream on,
>We Hindu's have kicked your pompous asses before (1984)
 ^^^^^^^^^^                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm a Punjabi and 'am very proud to be one.Let me see you guys
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>try to take my Punjab away from em!(YEAH).
 
 
  Thank you for showing on the net how the MAJORITY of India's 
Hindus feels towards minorities such as Sikhs and Muslims, and then
they wonder why the Sikhs are fighting for Khalistan!  
 
 
  You kicked our ass before 1984? Are you aware that all Hindu hill 
cheifs in Punjab were eventually beaten and their land taken under 
the control of Ranjit Singh? 
 
 
  A `very proud' Punjabi, yah right!!! Where were you guys in the 
Census of 1951 when you [Punjabi Hindus] over welmingly voted for
HINDI as your mother toung, a language that you could not even speak
thus causing Punjab to be divided further [the repercussion are still
being felt today!!]  What is so Ironic is that the question was asked 
to them in Punjabi, and they replied in Punjabi YET they said they 
spoke Hindi, so basically they sold out their mother toung and 
Punjab.  So I find the term a proud Punjabi Hindu a farce!
 

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Vedas and Women
Keywords: Vedas, Women, Prabhandams, Tamil Patriotism
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:20:24 GMT

This is just to point out to SCI readers:

One of the Tamil patriots on the net in his blissful 
ignorance claimed that, unlike Vedas, Tamil Prabhandams can 
be read  by women.

The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad is full of passages consisting 
of discourses between Yagnavalkya and Maitreyi (his wife)
and between Yagnavalkya and Gargi (in the court of Janaka
and in the presence of several sages).

The only thing that I do not know is whether Maitreyi and Gargi
were some Dravidonoids argueing on the basis of Tamil Prabhandhams.
Further I do not know whether Sansritic Brahmins conspired to project 
these Prabhandhins as Vedanthins and propagated the vedic myth.

It is quite possible that there may be a Gargi hill and a Maitreyi
hill; etymological studies may reveal that.

...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: upbikkas@uncc.edu (Udayabhanu P Bikkasani)
Subject: Re: Premarital Sex - Is It OK?
Summary: I think its time to decide for yourselves. u r the people who are going to get married and i think ur decision in this matter will be the best
Reply-To: upbikkas@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:53:26 GMT

Keywords: 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: South Indian<>Dravidian
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.171113.6039@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
> 
> In article <92322.150340EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET>, <EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes...
> >NOT ALL SOUTH INDIANS GO WITH DRAVIDIAN THEORY.
> > 
> >Let me explain.
> 
> 	Stuff deleted.
> 
> 	Excellent Nyshadham. Thanks for posting your views. I whole
> 	heartedly agree with you. Dravidianism was a tool of the Brits
> 	to divide India. Brits are gone so should Dravidianism.
> 
> 	How about every one believing the descendent of an Aryan? To 
> 	homogenize you have a choice - either demote or promote. Why not 
> 	promote.


       If one is interested in *truly* rising s/he will become more
       honest and then one can see that Indias culture is mostly
       dravidianoids. Tamil culture is probably a component-culture of
       dravidian culture ( or one in the ensemble of dravidianoid
       cultures) and these are not decendent of aryan culture although
       several elements of aryan culture might have been assimilated.
       It is worthwhile in trying to "homogenize" in seeking truth and
       being and practising honesty. Will believeing as decendent
       of Aryan be a promotion ( =advancement) or trying to understand
       truth will be ? The autochthonous culture of india was and is
       dravidianoid if you care to examine. If you want to imagine
       that it is a 'promotion' to consider yourself as a decendent of
       'Aryan" , go ahead 'promote' yourself since you seem to need a
        'promotion' ! :-) We are all evolving and we should continue to
        strive hard for achieving the progress. If you think some aspects of
       Aryan culture are great it is certainly worthwhile absorbing it.
       Why should one imagine to be a decendent of Aryan to do that ? 
       
      
       Regards
       Selva Selvakumar
 
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From: mahadeva@point.cs.uwm.edu (Aruna Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.travel
Subject: Bad experience on Malaysia Airlines
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:49:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.5


Hello,

I travelled to India from California during the month of October on
Malaysia Airlines.  I had heard a lot about the *EXCELLENT* service on
Malaysia and Singapore Airlines, but my experience was just the
opposite.  The flight leaving from LA was delayed by almost 2 hours and
no explanation was given.  Subsequently, all connecting flights were
delayed by 1.5 to 2 hours with no explanations.  When I asked them at LA
about my Hotel reservation in Kuala Lumpur, they were very rude.  As for
the food, it looked like they had scraped off all the leftovers from the
First Class and Business Class meals for us Coach class passengers.  The
rice was dry, the vegetables weren't good, and we had the same food all
through!  

We landed at Kuala Lumpur a few hours later than scheduled, had to wait
to get the transit visa from immigration and then get our hotel rooms.
We were given vouchers for the transportation to/from the hotel and for
breakfast.  There was a long line for taxis and there was this guy who
kept sending off people from the back of the queue in the taxis that
arrived.  So, after waiting around for a couple of hours, we decided to
grab the first taxi that came along since there was no queue system
anyway.  At the hotel, the manager claimed that he didn't have rooms and
asked us to pay $10 for the taxi to take us to another hotel.  We
refused to pay and demanded separate rooms for the three of us that had
reserved our tickets individually.  After a while of trying to extract
money from us, he relented and gave us rooms.  By this time, it was
already 3 am and our onward flight was at 9am.  So we barely got 4 hours
sleep.  

The seat I had was very close to the business class.  I am a non-smoker
and cannot stand smoke.  I had asked for a seat in the non-smoking
section and was given this particular seat which was close to the
smoking section of the Business Class.  When I complained about the
smoke, I was moved to another seat - this time right next to the
toilets!  I also gave them a written complaint about the smoke but things
were not any better on the return journey.

I have travelled by Air India before and found the service and food to
be much better than this!  It's been a while but I think the flights
were on time when I travelled on Air India last.

Aruna
From: bubai@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (P.Chatterjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Any aspiring ECONOMISTS around? Do get in touch.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:50:40 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hi,

I was wondering if I could get a hold of some people pursuing a graduate
degree in Economics. The main reason is to share and trade opinions and
experiences. As one might've guessed, I'm a grad student in econ. at 
Kansas State University.

Looking forward to a quick response.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kopti@seas.gwu.edu (Juzer T. Kopti)
Subject: RECIPES!!!
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:00:52 GMT

 hi there,
 first time writing.Since there are so many Indian students studying in the
 States, then why dont we share some easy to make Indian recipes instead 
 of doing useless things like sending personal flames over the system.
  						      
							hungry
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:40:58 EST
From: <CXS124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: postal & email add. of IIM's

hi. i am looking for the postal and e-mail addresses(if they exist) of all the
four IIM's. if someone could pass them on to me, i'd really appreciate it very
much!

thanks
shekhar
cxs124@psuvm.psu.edu
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Pankaj Udhas, Nirmal Udhas, And Manhar Udhas Live In Concert.
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:30 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Organization: California State University, Chico
Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov18.211002.14776@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>|>  
>|> If your idea of classical music is film songs and the like then let me tell
>|> you that YOU are in the WRONG place. This group deals with "miscellaneous"
>|> music and therefore the posting is appropriate.
>|> If you want discussion on classical music, I suggest you read rec.music.indian.
>|> classical and don't bore us.
>
>
>My idea of classical music is classical music ! Film songs are ...
><surprise> film songs. I do want a discussion of classical music
>and I am portesting this bozo posting this Pankaj Udhas announcment
>everyday on rec.music.indian.classical !
>
>So bore yourself !

Guys, you are going round in circles here. All the three Udhas brothers
sing both classical, as well as film songs.  In fact the advertisement,
does not mention anything about film songs only or anything similar.

So please let the guy who posted the article be thanked for having done
a service to inform nettors, since though this ad too was in the India-
West newspaper, not all nettors subscribe to Indian newspapers.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A query on H-2 visa, please ...
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:23:54 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <83777@ut-emx.uucp>, parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal) writes:
> A friend wants to know which documents are needed to bring his newly wed
> 
> wife to the USA, on H-2 visa. Is I-29 a relevant document ?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -parimal

There's nothing as H2 visa...i presume you meant H4...and there's nothing
as I-29...it's I-129.

I guess you are a PR or a U.S Citizen...

no hard feelings...

TD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mgic <mgic@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Birth Cert. Requirement for GC
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:01:13 GMT


Hi,
	I would like some information on the requirement of one's birth
certificate for the Labor Certification/Green Card process.  What I'd
like to know is,

	a. At what point during the process is the birth certificate
	   necessary ?

	b. What the possible alternatives are in case a birth certificate 
	   is not available.  Does a letter from the embassy, or an affidavit
	   from one's parents suffice ?

	I am leaving for India in the first week of December and would 
appreciate some information before then.  

Thank You,

Anand Prahlad
mgic@mixcom.com

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:48:48 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

|You fucking bastard, go and ask your dad as to what did he
|lift when you started dropping out of your mommy's hole.
|: 

|You will understand the might of a simple peasant when he uses his
|uses his sharp sickle to cut your balls and tear your bottom. Also,
|make a note of not leaving your wife and mom alone, otherwise the
|same simple peasant will take care of the business.
|: 
|: Raj

    sreehari nimmala, Don't you realize the above posting of yours 
    constitute a threat of physical assault to Raj and his fiamily!!  
    You could be sued, nimmala.

    I again ask you to seek help from a shrink.  You may not be lucky
    every time.

    -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.




-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Contract_Services_Company@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NEED INFORMATION ON "SIPA"..Silicon Valley Indian Professional
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:43:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


Need information on "SIPA"....Silicon Valley Indian Professional Assoc..
info on memberships, meetings and contacts needed....

Shree
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Einstein on religion
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:00:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

From sci.physics:

An interesting quote by Einstein on the subject of religion :

"Religious thought is an attempt to find an out where there are no doors."

---A. Einstein (1938?)
From: sununu@ece.arizona.edu (Arun Vaidyanath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: <none>
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:05:40 GMT
Reply-To: sununu@ece.arizona.edu (Arun Vaidyanath)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Hi,

Am involved with the India Club in Tucson, AZ. Does anyone know what I
need to do and who I need to contact for arranging the screening of desi
movies here. 
Any help in this matter is appreciated. 
Kindly post me at : sununu@ece.arizona.edu
Thank you,
Arun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hsingh@seas.gwu.edu (harmel singh)
Subject: +++ looking for a pal : may be TEXAS A & M >>>>>>
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:31:08 GMT


hi netters (  especially the ones in texas a&m )

i am looking for a close friend who i have reason to believe has landed
in texas a&m ( Dept. of Electrical Engg. )  just this Fall.

any pointers would be highly appreciated.

thanx.

hari.

Oh ! his name is Nayan Gayawalla  , he is from Bombay.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: majmudar@cs.sunysb.edu (Majmudar Hiren)
Subject: Looking for a roommate in Sunnyvale/Cupertino..
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, State U of NY at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:07:27 GMT


Hi Guys,

I am planning to be in BAy Area after Jan 1st and
so I am looking for a roommate who would like to 
share a room with me (person can either be staying
in that area or even in some other area can reply,
in the later case we both can go out and search for
a place!).

Only serious responses, please!!

Thanks,

-Hiren

P.S. : Please send your replies to 
       hmajmuda@ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:26:05 EST
From: William B. Hart Ii <WH6474A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT


Does any one know the story of the blind men describing the elephant?
One blind man touch the elephants leg and says an  elephant is like
a tree.  Another blind man touches the elephants trunk and says an elephant
is like a snake.  And so on.  The story sounds to me like an Indian story,
so I posted it here.  I need the original source and the full text of the
story.  Can anybody help?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 15:30:10 CST
From: <U61578@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Newsgroup monopolized by riffraff?

I am a relatively new reader of this newsgroup, but from what little i have bee
n following in this newsgroup, i cant but agree with you.