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From: mcdonald@cs.uwp.edu (Joseph Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Green Bushers
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:34:44 GMT
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Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
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Dr. Strangelove (zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: >>	I think it's about time the truth be told:
: >>The Packers Stink and any talk of play offs is pure delusion.
: >>You Wisconsin Cheesehead Fans ought to give up and follow a team that
: >>will win something.  For example, the Vikings.  

: Yes we are Cheeseheads, Cheddarheads ect... But I can not think of one
: Wisconsinite that finds either of these words a derogatory.
: Do actually think you might get us mad by calling us Cheeseheads. Won't happen.

: I also believe Wisconsinites LOVE underdogs, how else do you explain
: the loyalty the Packers have?

: Ken
: "Strange situation, wild occupation, living my life like a song."
: -Jimmy Buffett.
: -- 
:  Dr. Strangelove      "You know your having a bad day when the fifth
:  U.Wisconsin Milwaukee    inning rolls around and they drag the warning
:  Major: Political Science  track." -Mike Flanagan, pitcher Baltimore Orioles
:  Why that Alias? From the Movie Dr. Strangelove.
-- 

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Joe McDonald				   			Go Badgers!!!
University of Wisconsin - Parkside	   		    Shot 'n a GOAL!!!
From: abdul@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Majothi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Playoffs
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:49:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

Anybody out there able to explain how it is decided which team plays which
at the play-off stage?

Thanks ... Abdul
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Tiebreakers
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:13:16 GMT
Reply-To: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: holein1.corp.sun.com

In article 15817@asl.dl.nec.com, nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
> The following is a summary of NFL tie-breaking procedures as printed in the
> Dallas Morning News.  FYI.  Based on that:
> 
> AFC Races: 
> o If Miami and Buffalo tie then Miami would win the Division based on best
>   Conference record (8-3 to 8-4 or 7-4 to 7-5).

This is not quite accurate.  If Buffalo loses their two remaining games and
Miami loses either of their games while Pittsburgh wins their one remaining
game, Pittsburgh would have home field, Buffalo would win the East (better
divisional record, 5-3 vs 4-4 at best for Miami).  Of course, KC may come
into play as well :^D.

> o If Buffalo ties Pittsburgh or Miami ties Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh would
>   gain homefield advantage based on best Conference record (the best Miami can
>   do is 8-3, the best Buffalo can do is 8-4, and the worst Pittsburgh can do
>   is 9-3).


	The above is only true *if* there is a three-way tie.  If Buffalo
and Pittsburgh only tie, Buffalo would get the nod because of a better
head to head record (1-0 vs 0-1).

Bob De Guc
Bills fan in *ANY* country!!
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More non-kickers kicking
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:45:11 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <1992Dec15.015859.28282@leland.Stanford.EDU> bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
>Dan Pastorini used to punt for the Oilers in addition to QBing, although
>nobody but old-time Oiler fans seem to remember this.....
>
>During a Redskin-Bear playoff (?) game in about 1985, Theismann 
>volunteered to punt after the regular kicker was injured.  He booted
>a 1 (that's ONE) yarder.
>
>Also, didn't Danny White mention one time (early on is his career, I think)
>that his goal was to be the NFL's best passer AND punter?
>
>Matt
>

I vaguely recall a strike game where the quality WR from San Diego  
(was it Charlie Joyner?) who did not go on strike ended up
returning kicks, punting, and even QBed a couple of downs when
their replacement QB got hit by a bunch of rabid, first time
on TV, construction worker/truck drivers.

Of course finding these stats is next to impossible since they
aren't really NFL games anymore.  But they were fun for awhile.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: non-kickers kicking (was Re: Kickers doing double duty as punters)
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:22:16 GMT

In article <ELM.92Dec14172616@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:

>The punter for the Cincinnati Bengals in the early 80's also played
>wide receiver.  His name was Pat McInally, and he graduated from
>Harvard, if I remember right.  It'll be interesting to see if the BYU
>punter makes it to the pros.  For those who don't know, this guy is
>*huge* -- he's also a starting defensive lineman.  So much for the
>punter not wanting to make a tackle :-).

Also, Jim(?) O'Brien(sp?) kicked and played backup WR for the
Colts.  He kicked a game-winning FG in one of the super bowls.
-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: Kalle.Kivimaa@hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Shouldn't Emmitt's fumble be an incomplete pass?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:48:54 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: robin.cs.hut.fi

In <1992Dec14.204607.16427@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:
>Smith picking up the ball and shoveling it forward in an attempt to get the
>ball to (I believe) Alfredo Roberts.  This was undeniably outrageously stupid,
>*BUT*, what I want to know is why wasn't *that* ruled an incomplete pass?

Was Roberts an eligible receiver?  Was the ball thrown or fumbled
towards him?  It could have been a safety even if Smith was
seen forwarding the ball to Roberts.
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:20:11 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas)
Subject: Let's talk next years Draft.
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:44:07 GMT

Let's talk about next years Draft

# stuff like who will seattle draft etc... .

# who will be the sleeper in the draft etc... .

# who are the strong offensive linemen, def. linemen, ... .

I think at this time we have a good general idea what teams will finish
last and so on.



- I will start with Hearst going to Seattle since they need alot help
offensively and later the rest of their picks and trades will be for 
offensive linemen.

hope to here from you all
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Team Rankings by points
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:31:53 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec12.162834.6348@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>3	324	Dallas, Minnesota
>11	219	Minnesota

>#2 Minnesota has great defense, but poor offense. From the numbers, they
>	have scored more points than 24 other teams. Seems to be pretty
>	good to me.


howwever... if you take away the 8 touchdowns and the 8 extra points
scored off of those touchdowns that were scored by the defense...
minnesota offense drops by 56 points... 324-56= 268 Off Pnts

if you were to subtract those touchdowns they scored from the points
they allowed... (attempting to normalize the numbers)... there defense
improves by 56 points... 219-56= 163 Def Pts allowed...

their ranking improves... however i already deleted the rest of the
standings... so i am not sure where this then puts them... sorry...

jason
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Low SAQ play by SF 49ers + Giants!
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 06:43:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.055551.17111@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>>
>>  If you are going to pass, try a higher 
>>  percentage play than the fly to Rice.
>
>If you're going to criticize coaches, try picking up on somebody 
>whose winning percentage is slightly lower than Seifert. 

Hey, regardless of how good a coach he is, the criticism is still a 
valid one.  That was a *bonehead* play.  I was saying the same thing
to myself when Young tossed up the bomb... why???  Not that it brings
tears to my eyes when the 9ers make a bad play, but I just couldn't
figure it out.  If they run the ball (or fall on it for that matter),
they leave the Bucs with about 15 seconds and no timeouts and basically
*no* chance to do anything.  As it was, Tampa Bay might have had a chance
to drive for a score with some decent clock management and, as the 
previous poster noted, they still wound up with a pass into the endzone
from 35 yards out.


Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:50:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50

In article <1992Dec19.190922.35540@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes...
> 
>Well, why don't you tell us...  How many times has it happened that the
>#5 and #6 teams both made it all the way through to the championship game??
>What is the probability of it occuring???
>-- 
Considering that it was only sometime in the last 5 years that they
expanded the playoffs to 6 teams, not very often, like never.  The 
only thing like it I remember is the 87 Redskins were the #3 seed and
hosted the Championship game after beating the #2 seed Bears.

I would be shocked and amazed if anyone but the Cowboys or the 49's
hosted the NFC championship game.

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Come back instant replay !!!
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:29:22 GMT

>I am referring to the play that resulted in the go ahead TD for Washington in
>the final two minutes of play.  The instant replay seemed clear enough to me on
>two points.  Aikman's arm was definitely in forward motion.  The ball popped
>out and up, just out of the reach of Aikman's hand, following it back.  Aikman
>did what everybody else would have done.  He tried to "recover" the should have
>been incomplete pass, but he didn't.  Then Emmit Smith picked up the ball and
>did what any decent running back would do.  He tried to advance it out of the
>end zone.  If you looked carefully at the instant replay, the ball was still in
>his hand when his knee touched the turf, but he "fumbled".

From one Cowboy fan to another: let it go.

As Jerry Jones said after the game, that was a close play and instant replay
was never intended to overturn close calls.  I personally do not think an 
instant replay official would have overturned the call (either one).  It just
happened.

I am encouraged by this game!  Dallas went into RFK against a red-hot defending
Super Bowl Champion and dominated the game.  The Redskin's defense took 
advantage of Dallas mistakes and made a couple of huge plays to pull it out
for Washington.  Dallas lost, but they are still the more rounded team.

If these two teams meet in Dallas in the playoffs, I think the results will
be more like game 1 of the season (Dallas 23, Washington 10).

David
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:40:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles win in OT
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:16:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




the Eagles scored over 400+ yards on offense.
the Seahawks only over 100+

However:
	Randall got sacked a record 10 times (yeah yeah he can read
	defenses... NOT!  every time the Hawks used the Blitz it was
	sack time).

	Over 150+ yrds in penalties.  I pity Vai Sekahema... every time
	he got a decent return on a kickoff or a punt, it was called
	back for... "illegal block in the back".

The Hawks offense looked pathetic.  They had maybe 4 or 5 first downs in the
game, maybe 1 or 2 third down conversions.  Their defense was OUTSTANDING!
Every time they needed a big play, they came up with it including recovery of
a Randall fumble for a TD return.

The score was 17-17 on a Hershel Walker 9 yards run.  

Overtime!  Neither offense could get anything done.  Every time the Eagles
O threatened, they were denied by Cortez, Porter and Co.  With less than
2 minutes left in overtime, Keith Byars makes what would
have been a busted play into a gain to the Seahawks 30 yard.
...  With 3 seconds remaining in OT, Roger Ruzek kicks a 44 yarder to finish 
it 20-17!

Man, if those Hawks only had some sort of an offense, they'd be incredible!

satish nair
(ray must) go, giants

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:00:13 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: wlittle@dante.nmsu.edu (Wes)
Subject: OOPS!!  sorry...All redskins fans are not shitheads.!!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:51:31 GMT

I must apologize for saying what I did not mean...!!  NOT all Redskins
fans are shitheads!! Just the ones who are inevitably going to reply
to my last posting and say how much better the Skins are than the
'Boys.. when they know damn well who won that game by the stats and by
there play....was not even the Skins'./...!@!

nuf said

Wes

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:40:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu (Jeremy Follick)
Subject: Re: Browns #17
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:26:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Dec8.192140.4122@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> riser@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>What do you think about Todd Philcox wearing Sipe's number(#17).  Come on you
>die hard Browns fans.  I don't think he should be able to wear the number of
>one of the best QB's in Browns history.  Let's get it changed...Long Live the
>Kardiac Kids!

I suppose they were hoping that history would repeat itself. Unfortunately
they were wrong. I'm just happy Bernie's back.


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