From: black@che.serum.kodak.com (Robert Black (x37236))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Bowhunting wound rates
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:01:42 GMT
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

In article <RIGG.92Oct5151040@osnome.che.wisc.edu> rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.172447.22649@clpd.kodak.com> black@che.serum.kodak.com (Robert Black (x37236)) writes:

[...]

>      "When an animal jumps the string, it is virtually impossible for anyone
>      to place his shot.  Therefore, all the current talk about knowing the
>      limitations of one's shooting ability and the limitations of his
>      equipment is nonsense.  These limitations are established by animals'
>      ability to hear the release of the arrow and move a minimum of six
>      inches before it reaches them.
>
>This is contrary to everything I have seen.  In fact, you can see it
>for yourself.  Rent a bowhunting video and watch the shots.  The
>poorer the video, the more kill scenes they will show.  Check out a
>Dan Fitzgerald video.  His videos are just deer "snuff flicks".  On
>any given video, you should see 6 or so hits, usually repeated over
>and over in slow motion.  You will notice that some deer do move but
>certainly not "a minimum of six inches".
>
>
>I'd like to add that these videos are extremely graphic - especially
>Fitzgerald videos.  I can't believe I am recommending them to
>nonhunters or antihunters.  

Benke's book is not for everyone either and if any of my AR colleagues
are offended by parts of this discussion, I apologize.  For me to
understand the issue, it has become necessary to delve into unpleasant
areas.

To get another view on Benke's book, last night I phoned a nationally
prominent animal protection group.  Their view was that while Benke's
book was valuable for its informational content, it's a somewhat
unpleasant book due to discussions about arrowing animals and then
observing the ensuing deaths, which sometimes extended for days.  And
they expressed some personal distaste for a man like Benke who could
actively participate in these activities, even in the name of research.

>However, they do make one point quite
>clear: quick human kills are quite possible with archery equipment. 

I don't doubt this at all - if the heart or a major artery is hit.  But
on most animals, these areas comprise 25-30% of the the body.  What I am
questioning is how often the other 70-75% of the body is hit, since I
have reason to believe that terrible suffering and agony occurs in these
cases. 

>
>I'd also like to add that even I am disgusted by the lack of respect
>for the animal shown in some of the poorer videos.  Dan Fitzgerald is
>one the worst in this regard.  He shoots a powerful bow and his shots
>are well-placed so the animals go down quickly.  However, he is quite
>disgusting after the shot.

This makes me wonder if Fitzgerald is sometimes confused with Ted Nugent,
since similar accusations have been levied against Nugent.  In the
current issue of Bowhunter, Nugent denies these types of accusations
when directed toward him.

>
>tim

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