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From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness you darling !
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:52:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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      Dave,
        Actually, this article that has all these "you" and "United" words was
not a response to one of your articles, but a response to someone in South
Africa who is a big United fan.  Well, I don't want a war, but this guy drives
me crazy sometimes with the things that he says.  For example, he thinks that
United has all but wrapped up the league title, when you never know what can
happen in the future.  I think he sounds way too optimistic and this pisses me
off a lot.
       I don't know, I may as well stop writing about Liverpool vs. United and
just wait and see.
       Time is the best judge after all.
                                                                   Regards,
                                                                   Panos
From: u2ard@csc.liv.ac.uk (A.R. Distefano)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Villa will win it
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:08:26 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
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Dave Parry (dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk) wrote:
> stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens) writes:
> > 
> > It's 17 years since I really cared who won the 1st/Premier(?) Div/League
> > but I'll throw my opinions into the argument anyway.
> > 
> Why not..

> > It's got to be Villa for the top spot come May.  A fair number of my Liverpool
> > friends saw the game last week and have been heard to agree with this 
> > statement.  
> > 
> Everybody beats Liverpool these days, what's the big deal?

> > Big Fat Ron is going to get his own back for getting the the sack.  
> > Fergie'll end up bollocking it up again by drastically changing the way the 
> > side plays in the last few games.
> > 
> Well as we'll have the title sewn up by then, it won't matter, will
> it? :-)

> > When is the Man City v Villa game?   Didn't Villa win at Old Trafford earlier
> > this season? 

> NO! - they haven't been to Old Trafford yet.

> >  Do I like any team that plays in Claret and Blue? (no)
> > 
> > mik

> Dave
From: bhemberger@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: St. Patty's tourney - S. Carolina
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:52:37 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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HELP!! I am trying to get into the St. Patty's day tourney, but I can't get in
touch with anyone down there. I got a name and number from a recently-erased
message posted a little while ago, but I keep getting a recording from Ma Bell
that tells me the line is being checked for problems. This has gone on for a
week now, and I don't know who I should call. Does anyone know who I can get
in touch with? - Ben  -->bhemberger@hamp.hampshire.edu<--

P.S. The number I got was 803-779-6695 for Bryan
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From: dep1700@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Diane Pagel)
Subject: Survey on a tournament
Organization: Boeing
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:26:26 GMT


I am posting this for the Seattle Ultimate players. Please respond back to me
on this subject so we can determine out tournament schedule.

"We are in the process of scheduling a date for the annual Potlatch
Ultimate Tournament which is held in Seattle. The Potlatch Tourney
is a 2 day Co-ed tournament with camping available, fantastic
dinner and a raging party.
It is our intent to get a few teams/players from different countries
to participate.  Since Worlds will be held in Madison, WI, July 24th
to August 1st, we are considering holding the tournament the following
weekend in August or possibly the weekend before Worlds. 
If anyone might be interested in playing, please respond to this
informal survey to find out whether it would be better to hold the
tournament before or after Worlds."

Thanks,

Diane Pagel

From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: College/Club Tourneys!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:44:00 -0500

ALR>Also, if ANYONE in the know about Fools' or Easterns' sees this, could
ALR>you please let me know who to contact?  Assuming, of course, these are
ALR>still open...

Bids for April Fools are being taken until Jan 30.  See the ad in the
last (Nov/Dec) UPA Newsletter, or call Steve Goodwin, 703-243-2160.

Easterns:  Date and site picked at the East Coast Cptns Meeting.
Easterns typically is the 2d weekend in June. This being an odd
numbered year, the site is supposed to be in the NE Region.  MA and NE
teams must qualify through the Spring Open UPA Series.  Teams from other
regions may apply for at large spots.

 * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline is umop apisdn
From: bhemberger@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: St. Patty's Day tourney contact
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:12:02 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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To whom it may concern:
	The number posted in a deleted message a few weeks ago gave a name and
number for a St. Patty's Ultimate Tourney contact whose phone doesn't work any-
more(he just moved). The new person in charge of the the tourney is Scott, and
his number is 803-779-4602. I talked to him this evening(Friday) and he is
planning to send out invitations this weekend(maybe).

			- Ben	-->bhemberger@hamp.hampshire.edu<--
From: dks@gallant.apple.com (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Big Island Bash Pre-registration form (Repost)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:12:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

The following is the information required for the 

Ultimate Big Island Bash (Hat Tournament), Feb 20-21, 1993
Old Kona Airport, Island of Hawaii

Name:
Address:
Phone:

T-shirt size: S | M | L | XL

Dinner (Sat night): Fish | Vegetarian

Fee is $20/person due by Februaray 5, 1993.
Late registration requires additional $5 penalty.

(the form I am have does not specify if Feb 5th 
 is the postmark date or the received-by date; 
 so play it safe and assume it is the received-by date)

Mail checks (payable to):
Jeff Berk
PO Box 1403
Kurtistown, HI  96749

Questions? Call: (808) 966-9187


-- 
dks@apple.com | Above opinions are mine and are not endorsed by Apple Computer
AppleLink: ULTIMATE | 408 974-1275 | If you are what you eat, are you dead meat?
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From: dcs@CS.CMU.EDU (David Steere)
Subject: Re: women in league
Originator: dcs@PURCELL.CODA.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:39:49 GMT

(Responding to garry@alice.UUCP, "Marc Queen", and haman@mpr.ca)

I agree totally with Anja. Although the n-women rule has its drawbacks,
it is probably the only thing that will force "unenlightened" male players
to give women a fair shot.

1. People typically state that the n-women rule turns into a set thing, like
*only* n women will ever be allowed to play.

   True, but typically that means n more women were playing than before

2. People say that with women forced to be on the field, men won't throw to them/
utilize them/encourage them.

   Again, true. But typically the unelightened have a goal: to win. If they
   play another team with only 5 effective players, and the other team uses
   all 7, it is pretty obvious who will have the advantage. So sooner or
   later these cretins will be forced to use their players, or continue losing.

3. Forcing a team without women to play shorthanded is unfair to men and women.

   I disagree. In our summer league (Pittsburgh) there are teams that have tons
   of women -- girlfriends, wives, etc -- that never play. These teams are often
   rude and condescending to women on our team (we currently don't have an n-women
   rule). So forcing these people to regard women as athletes (by forcing them
   to recruit players) is good for them. If they fail to do so, they are only
   hurting themselves (so I don't consider forcing them to do a good thing for
   themselves as unfair). Also, I don't see how getting *some* playing time,
   even against a bunch of jerks, is worse than getting no playing time.

   As long as you give sufficient warning to allow people to draft an
   appropriate number of women, I don't see how it is unfair at all.

Disclaimer:
I think it is terrible that we need to even consider such actions, but I think
anyone will recognize that there is a problem. Given that, let's do everything
we can (not just the n-women rule of course) to encourage new players, and
especially female players to play ultimate. When there are sufficient numbers
of female players, there will naturally be a sufficient number of *good* players.
(Ever tried to cover Gloria up in Boston, for instance? Other players come to
mind, but are less known or I haven't actually tried to cover them)

david.


   
From: "Schmidt, Ken" <KSCHMIDT@ncdc.noaa.gov>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:05:22 GMT
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Subject: Ultimate in NYC

Anyone out there from NYC?  I have a hot job lead up there and I was
wondering how the ultimate community is up there.  Of course I've
heard of "the team," but what about summer leagues or pick-up games?
Does anyone play indoors?

Kenny Schmidt
kschmidt@ncdc.noaa.gov
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: women
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:43:47 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: norman.nwnet.net

So you're looking for women players...

Put up signs in the women's locker rooms.  Contact women's sport clubs
(soccer, basketball, field hockey etc) in your community and ask to speak
at a team meeting.  Ditto for sports teams at the school.  Make
appointments and go speak to women at sororities.  Get a hold of some
lesbian groups on campus and speak at a meeting or send flyers to the
members.  Post invitations to play at the women's center.  Run an add in
the student paper or a popular community rag. Or, you can do what I do...
everytime I see an athletic looking woman, I stop her, tell her about
ultimate and give her my number. 

By the way... my $.02 worth about n-women on rosters.  When I first moved
to Seattle, I answered an invitation in a local publication to join an
Ultimate Spring league.  I was randomly placed on a team.  When I first
met the team captain, I explained that I had never played before, but
that I was willing to do whatever it took to learn the sport (I'm no
slouch mind you...).  He told me flat out that he needed me on the
roster, but that he had no intention of playing me because they had a
"great" team and wanted to win.  I told him flat out where he could go,
and I would never have started playing if another woman who was there at
the time hadn't corraled me and convinced me to come to a women's
practice. 

I think rules guarranteeing women a place on the field are needed to avoid
situations like this.  Don't worry about finding female players... if you
make it (the rule that is) they will come :^)

-Carol


In article <1jn0ohINNadn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen) writes:
>
>O.K. ...I change my mind (maybe).
>now give me some help in getting women to play.
>i've got 4 women lined up so far (two are really good)
>my problem is, students at this school just don't know about it.
>i actually paid for a video and i've taken it to our little cable station,
>   and they're graciously goin to show 10-15 minutes on two days in feb.
>i'll put up some signs tellin people to watch it.
>but what else can i do?  ...how about requiring (for intramurals) every
>   team to have a couple women signed up on their roster?
>(i'm also thinkin of changin the max #/team rule, too)
>i don't see how a roster requirement would say, "women are inferior"
>
>...just think things over (thanks for all the response, too)
>marc
>-- 
>Marc "elvis" Queen
>*4th yr Pharmacy student at Ohio Northern*
>*Founder of ONU Ultimate Frisbee*
>115 1/2 S Main St, Ada, OH 45810  419-634-8013
From: haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: personal to jennyr
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:15:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada


Sorry everyone,

JENNY R - I received your mail but can't seem to reply
to it. Everything I've tried bounces back to me. Can you
send me your email address and I'll try again ("r" does not work). 
We'd love to have you on our team... . I'll call if we can't connect this way.

anja
haman@mprgate.mpr.ca
From: Eric Wenck <76635.1513@CompuServe.COM>
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From: eric@fuji1.rad.uab.edu (Eric Gingold)
Subject: St. Louis Tournament ?
Originator: eric@fuji1
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:44:23 GMT

Does anyone know details about a spring tournament in St. Louis?
Apparently this is an annual event, but I'm new to this part of
the country, so I can't say for sure.  If anyone knows dates or
contacts, I'd appreciate the information.

Thanks,
eric
From: ST403070@brownvm.brown.edu (Guy Beadie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: What do you call this throw?
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:52:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Another, rather interesting, response to a wickedly thrown airbounce:
  "Ooh, that throw is so cool it makes my thigh muscles quiver!"

That statement, coming from a woman, certainly made the guy who threw the
pass blush!  8-)


                                      -Guy Beadie

                                   Brownian Motion - WUFO
                                   WUFO - Brownian Motion
From: "P.H.Schuricht" <P.H.Schuricht@southampton.ac.uk>
Approved: news@is.morgan.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:28:51 GMT
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Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Southampton Indoor IV

   At last the dates of the Southampton Indoor Ultimate Tournament have been
set.
This will be the fourth tournament indoor tournament held in southampton, and
this year we have increased the entry to a total of 12 teams.
   The first round is Round-Robin, followed by playoffs.
it will take place on the 27th & 28th of March. 
Starting at nine o'clock on saturday.

Entry forms will be sent to teams in the UK,
Anyone else who is interested please reply to

   phs@uk.ac.soton.mail

bye

Paul Schuricht
Skunks
Southampton University Ultimate Club
UK
From: ULTIMATE STEFKE <STEVENS@IBN.AGRO.NL>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:25:56 GMT
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Subject: 1993 European Ultimate and Guts Championships.

******************************************************************************

E U R O P E A N   U L T I M A T E  a n d  G U T S   C H A M P I O N S H I P S

				1 9 9 3
*****************************************************************************
Will be held from Monday August 30th till Sunday September 5th 1993 at the
Dutch national sportscenter Papendal, The Netherlands.

Because of the withdrawal of several countries to organise the Europeans 1993,
this announcement is rather late. However, we are happy to announce that WAF,
the frisbeeclub Wageningen, in co-operation with the Dutch Flying Disc
Association (NFB), will organise the 1993 EFDF European Championships.

We made arrangements on the national sportscenter Papendal.. an excellent site
for this years European Championship. Papendal is located 8 km east of the city
of Arnhem, about 30 km from the German border. It is surrounded by the Dutch
national park the Veluwe... so fresh air to breath while you play.

We estimated the amount of players at 400. Conform the EFDF-regulations we
provide different types of accomodation with matching prices. From luxery
hotelbeds to camping. For more details ask your National Association.

Players in the open, ladies, masters, juniors and guts division from Austria, 
Belgium, Czecho- and slowakia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Great
Britain, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain, Sweden, 
Switserland get ready !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
******************************************************************************
Get your agenda and write:

August 30th - September 5th 1993 EUGC, Papendal The Netherlands.
******************************************************************************

Contact: 
Henri Veroude
Bevrijdingsstraat 23
6701 AA Wageningen
The Netherlands
phone: +31 8370 16862 (between 19.00-22.00 h)
or Stef Stevens +31 8370 24580
E-mail (available untill Februari 1st 1993 !!!!) STEVENS@IBN.AGRO.NL
From: brehob@plantain.cps.msu.edu (Mark W Brehob)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: women in league
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:00:31 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: plantain.cps.msu.edu

Ben Fulton writes
> In <1993Jan21.031227.18146@mprgate.mpr.ca> haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman)  
writes:
> 
> >I would love to get rid of the two-women-on rule because often
> >the women are treated as token players, and are never passed to, or
> >included in any of the play.
> 
> Someone last year defined co-ed ultimate as "5 men playing ultimate, and
> two women doing modern dance."  :-)
> 
> doesn't happen here though; hell, one of our top club handlers is a  
woman.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ben
> fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)
> 
> and

She's REALLY good......  (and a heck of a lot faster then me)
(Not that that takes a whole lot.....)
=)

Brehob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: vinoski@apollo.hp.com (Stephen Vinoski)
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:23:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <troy.728005396@buck> troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever) writes:
>But hey, I've got nothing against disc golfers.  They're just
>"differently abled", so the backhand is all there is.  Or maybe the
>proper term is "throwing disadvantaged" :) :)
>
>(Whoa, just kidding.  I'm putting my asbestos suit on anyway, just in
>case.  Too bad there aren't any freestylers posting to really pick on
>:) )

Here's one (retired though).  In my experience, freestylers have
better throws than anybody else.  I have had the pleasure of jamming
with some of the best, including Deaton Mitchell, Chip Bell, and Crazy
John Brooks, and I can tell you that no Ultimate player I've ever met
can even remotely approach the disc talents of those people.

One day in Memphis in the early 80's Big Al Ballew and I measured a
200+ yard throw by Crazy John.  I believe he was throwing an Aero.  I
can still see it clearly in my mind, yet I still can't believe it.
I remember Chip Bell doing gitis pulls around his ankle while his
other leg was completely vertical - talk about doing the splits!

Ultimate is OK, but I consider freestyle to be the "truly ultimate"
disc sport.

-steve
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ae815@yfn.ysu.edu (Marc Queen)
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab
Reply-To: ae815@yfn.ysu.edu (Marc Queen)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:40:33 GMT


>
>Ultimate is OK, but I consider freestyle to be the "truly ultimate"
>disc sport.
>
>-steve
>
how about mixing freestyle with ultimate??
let's say if you catch the disc in the endzone you get one point...
but catch it in your mouth while doing a backflip, and get 2 points!

and i was wondering...(jokingly) does geoff actually see the little men
riding on his frisbees?  =)   too much Anheiser for me.

elvy
-- 
marc s queen  --  the founder of onu ultimate frisbee
4th yr pharmacy student at ohio northern university
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ae815@yfn.ysu.edu (Marc Queen)
Subject: what copyright? who me?
Reply-To: ae815@yfn.ysu.edu (Marc Queen)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:17:13 GMT


i _thought_ i was goin to show an ulty video on ONU's cable channel....
but...the director knows her legal responsibilities.

anyone got some footage that i could use to show ONU-ers what ultimate is?
i.e. mail me a tape?  what i got is "the ultimate experience" and there
seems to be a copyright on that.

later
marc
PS---I like all the talk about women
    as of now, i'm not planning on a n-women rule of any sort &
    i plan to have my female playing friends do some talkin

bye
-- 
marc s queen  --  the founder of onu ultimate frisbee
4th yr pharmacy student at ohio northern university
From: thomas.taylor@aquila.com (Thomas Taylor) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: women in league
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:22:00 GMT
Distribution: netcomsv
Organization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344
Reply-To: thomas.taylor@aquila.com (Thomas Taylor) 


 > It's interesting to hear what men have to say about women in Ultimate.

Hilarie,

Thank you very much for such an articulate, thorough, and thoughtful post.
I'm definitely keeping this and passing it to some people that I know, as
well as studying it everytime before I go to a coed practice or game.

-tt

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:27:32 CST
From: Alizon Elliott <U23915@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Looking for Nate of the Northwestern Team

'Nuff said.  Nate, either send me e-mail or call me at (312) 942-0536.

Blake, get your nose out of this note!  The title says Nate!  ;-)

                    Alizon
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu (Todd Sanders)
Subject: Alicia needs a team
Reply-To: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:41:58 GMT

As a service to my good friend Alecia Hardin, I am posting this request.

According to her, she is without a team to play on for D.C. fools.  I think most people in the mid-atl. region know her, so you know her skill level the fact that she can run, run, run.

If you need another, please e-mail me. 

Peace,

Todd



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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: What do you call this throw?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:47:11 GMT

In <1993Jan27.151215.29304@ncsu.edu> Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> writes:

>In any event, what do you call a throw where you push the frisbee
>down and release the frisbee with the leading edge up? I also put
>*a lot* of spin on this one.

Air bounce.


-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)
"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin
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