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From: f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: soc.culture.korean
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:21:27 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Two questions

1. Is there any organization such as AAMSA? (Asian-American medical student
association) or better yet KAMSA?

2. Who is this Scott Horne dude?
Is he Chinese or something? (hehehe)
Why is it so important for us to know every detail of the invention of the
Korean writing system? It exists!
Scott, from reading all this stuff it sure seems like you don't like Koreans
at all... Why do you still bother to post to s.c.k.?

Oh well...

JYSH (no sig.)
From: cdlee@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Chan-Do Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Bone Marrow Registry
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:38:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr14.083856.24716
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University, Bloomington.



  The United Blood Services currently is conducting a blood type
testing  for potential bone marrow  donors.   The  test  usually
costs around  $50,  but  the  Federal  government  will  pay any
charges (for minorities, ie:  non-whites) for about the next six
months.  It only takes about ten minutes of your time, and about
one cc of blood for bone marrow donors.

  Your  bone  marrow  can save somebody's life for patients  who
have Leukemia.  Since the  bone  marrow  typing is very racially
dependent,  your  marrow  will  probably  only  go  to  oriental
patients who are dying.  Since many orientals  are  reluctant to
donate either blood or bone marrow, oriental patients  die  from
curable diseases much more frequently than other races.

  If  your  marrow does match, it will mean life or death of the
oriental patient,  and  the  happiness of the entire family.  (A
friend of this submittor has Leukemia,  and  is badly in need of
an  oriental  donor  to  save  her  life.)   For those  who  are
concerned about this issue, please exercise your  chance to save
someone  else's life!  The chances of ever matching  someone  is
very low, so you probably never have to actually give marrow.

  The test  is easy, they take only 1cc of blood.  If you match,
and want to donate your marrow, then it takes about 2 hours, and
you are done.   To  get  the  donor's  marrow, the doctors put a
needle into the hip bone, and pull out a little bit of marrow to
put  into the patient.  For the donor, giving  marrow  is  about
like getting a shot.

  To find  out  more  information,  and  to become a bone marrow
donor,  contact your local Red Cross, or United  Blood  Services
organization.    The  funding  for  minorities  by  the  federal
government is likely  to  last  about  another  six  months, but
patients  who  need  your  marrow could die much sooner.  Please
help!
From: f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Gosh
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:47:10 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Apr9.053317.5468@cs.yale.edu>,
horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes: 
> First, JYSH writes this:

 JYSH happens to be short for JAMES YOONSANG HYUN which is kinda long to write
 every time I have to post. So you figured out what my name is WOW like are you
 a god or something? 

>> About Mr. Scott Horne...
>> This is a theory of a friend of mine (yeah right...)
>> He was probably dumped by a Korean girl... hehehe
>> He then got himself a Chinese girl... hehehe
>> Now he is pissed off at the Koreans and loves the Chinese...

 BTW this really was a theory of a friend of mine who was rather ticked off by
 many it not all of your posts regarding hangul or Superiority.
 
> Then, he writes this:
> 
> In article <1992Apr7.235719.11566@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> <
> <I'm very interested in finding out if there are any HYUN's out there...
> <It seems to be a very rare name and so far I've only encountered 2 other 
> <Hyun's besides my family... (here in the states not Korea...)
> 
> From your manners--or rather lack thereof--one might suppose that you're
> the son of Attila the HYUN.

 Actually I've been called that in High school by my english teacher so imagine
 the impact on my fragile little Korean Psyche... (If it's period one, it's
 jimmy hyun), (Yet another great paper by Attila the Hyun) (etc. etc.)

Manners, manners, yeah yeah
It seems very easy for you to reply to any response given to your postings
whether intelligent or not... (I'm sure you'll think of a GREAT response to
this one.) (Flaming is such ugly business...)
So enlighten me oh erudite one...
What is your nationality? I'd like to make it my business to know...
If you are Korean, then I feel sorry for you, the rest of this group has
isolated you as a source of anti-Korean sentiments and that must make you feel
great! BTW notice that while many people responded to your posting, I've yet to
read one which reflects positively on your opinion... (except your own of
course...)
If you are not Korean, then I really can't say much except "Live and let live"
(hehehe)
If you just get a kick out of annoying people, well then go ahead I can't stop
you...

Whatever...

Attila the HYUN (thanks for reminding me of that nick name Scott!)

P.S. I did not realize that Horne was a Korean surname... How interesting... I
can imagine Hon or even hone but horne? I thought Horne was a Chinese name, I
know of a Horng Oh well... 

> ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: Korean writing system (Why question ?)
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:22:13 GMT

horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

><Decades ago, some people proposed to write Korean word in series like in 
><English.
><They did because of the possible difficulties in mechanizing (at that 
><time, typewriting)
><Korean writing system.
><Of course, their idea was not accepted because it is not appropriate to 
><express our language.

>Not true.  _Han'gu<l_ letters can be written out in series without any
>ambiguity.  Try it.
         

 OK, let's try one.


 What would you say  following series of han'gul letters represent?
 (btw, I can't think of a better example, but nevertheless)

 _L  |_  __.  __.  
 ()  |     |    |  _ll_



 Is it 

  _L|_   __.
  ()|      |
  __.   _ll_
    | 



 Or

  _L|_   __.__.
  ()|      |  |    ?
           _ll_
      


 There is a shift-reduce conflict, isn't there?

 If there was no ambiguity as you claim, then the han'gul keyboard
 wouldn't need some keys, such as the double consonant keys.

 Anyway, I wouldn't want to read han'gle text in the form of a series
 of letters that's been pulled apart, whether it is ambiguous or not, it'd
 probably give me a headache after a couple of lines.


>					--Scott

 Woong-Ki



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@snow-white.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: keh
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:56:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Apr12.145652.12726
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Apr12.055751.9640@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> ksc3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kyu sok  Cho) writes:
>By the way, did anybody else see the Korean word KEH (financial pool)
>in THe ATLantic.  Its on the section "Word Watch"
>
>I thought it was interesting and just wanted to pass it on.
>Maybe someone can explain how it works.
>After all, this is soc.culture.korean.

For those eventually unaware of the Atlantic, the magazine explains that
the words appearing on the "Word Watch" section (p119, on April 92 issue) are
"the words tracked by the editors of The American Heritage Dictionary," and
that "a new word that exhibits sustained use may eventually make its way into 
the dictionary," end of quote.

So, it is obviously a significant contribution of Korean American community
which, according to the article quoted by KSCho, owns half as many businesses
as Americans overall.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.063042.28598@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
...
>Oh, and something I forgot to mention:  _Han'gu<l_ was based on Chinese
>letterforms ...

Mr. Horne, I challenge you to substantiate that claim.  Real linguists
of my acquaintance have expressed quite different views.  To wit:
scholars have found resemblances to elements of written Chinese,
Mongolian, Tibetan (from the country of Tibet, by the way) and
Sanskrit.  As of five years ago, no one was able to state
incontrovertibly that Hangul was based on any other script.

Can you cite real scholarship that establishes your claim?  Or did a
friend of yours read all about it in Playboy?


-- 
Douglas Harper          harper@oracorp.com      (607) 277-6093 [ext 252]
#
Question for the net:  who said of the Holy Roman Empire that it was
neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire?
From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:23:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracorp.1992Apr7.182345.8508
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York

In article <1992Apr2.223305.12254@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> ywlee@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee) writes:
>In <14154@pitt.UUCP> hnkst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe han Kim) writes:
>
>>There is much 'folklore' about the development of the exact shapes
>>of the letters. The other one I heard was that the letters are
>>based upon the patterns you see in the woodwork of a Korean
>>style door. There used to be a triangle kind of character that sounded
>>like a 'z'... I don't know where that pattern would have come from
>>in the woodwork though. 
>
>Since when my knowledge on creation of shapes of Hangle characters has 
>changed to 'folklore'? :-) Can anyone justify Hanhwe's assertion and 
>explain how my knowledge, which was from the classroom in my highschool,
>became obsolete?
>
>
>youngwhan.
>-- 
>ywlee@uiuc.edu, ywlee@cs.uiuc.edu           | University of Illinois
>1408 W. University Ave., Urbana, IL. 61801  | Computer Science 

Prof. Kim may still be in the Linguistics Department at UIUC (in the
FLB).  Would you be willing to ask him what the current scholarship
is?  He would certainly be able to give authoritative answers to the
questions raised in this discussion.

If you do contact him, please tell him "Hello" for me.  He may remember
me from the classes taught by Mr. Hur.

-- 
Douglas Harper          harper@oracorp.com      (607) 277-6093 [ext 252]
#
Question for the net:  who said of the Holy Roman Empire that it was
neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire?
From: shin@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Dong Hun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Mott in Horne's signature
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:53:37 GMT
Reply-To: shin@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Dong Hun Shin)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU


Are there anybody who is curious about the motto in Scott Horne's signature?

Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!

A comrade from the land that Scott admires so much let me know it.  
The last line in the signature is:

~N@eGQ@O0!~O ~N0x0GA_H-~O (Jang Han Il Ga  Gong Gun Jung Hwa)

It means:

Tibet and China are one family, Let's build prosperous China together.
--
Dong Hun Shin			=E 5? Ge
Field Robotics Center           
The Robotics Institute          shin@frc.ri.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University	Phone: (412) 268-6987
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890	Fax: (412) 682-1793
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.)
Subject: Re: korean and japanese culture
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:26:22 GMT

In article <31668@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.055347.7376@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9b-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Chang) writes:
>>Koreans and Japaneses seem to be full of themselves when it
>>comes to their "culture."
>>
>>Let's face it folks, what "culture?"
>>
>>Your cultures are basically watered down Chinese handouts.  It might
>>hurt your egos, but it is true.
Like American, Canadian, Australian, Scotish, Irish etc etc etc is
a watered down version of English culture? ...NOT!
Or maybe English culture is watered down, Norman culture which is
watered down Roman culture...blah blah blah!  
What logic are you using there SC!?

Oh I get it you forgot to put the smileys after your posts?
>>
>
>Give us proof(s) WHY Korean and Japanese cultures are watered down
>Chinese handouts.
>
>
>Tonghyun "Vajra" Kim
>tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
Don't pay any attention to SC its obviously a (bad) joke, or else
he was toking up BIG TIME.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ksc3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kyu sok  Cho)
Subject: keh
Keywords: keh
Reply-To: ksc3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kyu sok  Cho)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:57:51 GMT

By the way, did anybody else see the Korean word KEH (financial pool)
in THe ATLantic.  Its on the section "Word Watch"

I thought it was interesting and just wanted to pass it on.
Maybe someone can explain how it works.
After all, this is soc.culture.korean.

K. CHO
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 Calculations quite a few.         |   Wendnesdays, and Fridays, like particles
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 Just what does psi really mean?"  |   like nothing at all on Sundays."
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From: jong@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Jong Y. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Date: 5 Apr 92 11:12:25 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

After a week of absence in reading news, I noticed that my last remark of
'supriority' created a war in Korean language.  First of all, as the question
mark in parenthesis indicates, it wastn't meant to be serious.  
What I was trying to say is that Korea may be the first country that created
their own writing system scientifically and systematically.  Of course, that
might not show any superiority.  Anyways, I apologize to those of you who 
misunderstood my article and got offended.  

But I must add a comment or two to Scott Horne who is acting like 'a frog
in a well' (a direct translation of a Korean proverb).  As other intelligent
fellow Koreans explained, hangul is not based on Chinese in any ways except
for the shape.  Hangul is rather closer to alphabet where consonants and
vowels are put together to form a syllable or a word.  
And now you are trying to say that hangul is invented by Chinese?  They
might have had some kind of help from Chinese scholars, but remember, hangul
was invented in 'Jip-Hyeon-Jeon' by outstanding Korean scholars including
Seong Sam-Moon, Shin Sook-joo, and many other.
If you disagree on any other matter, followups welcomed.

Jong Yoon Lee

Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:2000 comp.text:716
From: mmoore@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Mike Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,comp.text
Subject: Korean WP wanted (Macintosh)
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:57:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Does anyone know of good word processing programs for the Korean language
which run on the Macintosh -- or Korean fonts for popular Macintosh word
processors?   Thanks,

Mike Moore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Language
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.205446.2777@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>While I was browsing Mr. Horne's article, there was something about
>Chinese scholar's inventing Hangul.
>Is this historically true? Not just consulting but he mentioned
>that it was Chinese who invented Hangul under King Sejong if
>I remember correctly.

Yes, it was mentioned in "high society" magazine as well as in "penthouse"
magazine.  It may appear in Debbie Does Dallas IX as a dialog as well.

>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim)
Subject: Re: Cha Mak - closed caption decoder
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:18:12 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Apr12.220148.1@galluj> ckim@galluj writes:
>Yeo_leo_boon, Ann yung ha shim ni gga?
>I am a deaf korean. I can not speak Korean languange by my voice but can write
>forward and back to hearning people. I use sign languange (Soo Hwa) by my hands
>to communicate with deaf people and others who know sign language. I can use
>telecommunication device for the deaf to phone. I can enjoy watching TV program
>with closed caption decoder, so on.
>
>I just read advertise from Korean daily newspaper that you might be subsribing
>about closed caption decoder - Cha Mak Ki Kyae for Koreans to learn English on
>the bottom of screen of Television. I understand that some Koreans have problem
>with listening English from Television. I am really disappointed that the
>advertise about closed caption decoder did not mention about it for hearing
>impaired people or deaf people. I am really angry about Korean saleman selling
>closed caption decoder for television not to mention it for deaf or hearing
>impaired people. I want to remind you of closed caption decoder mainly provid-
>ing deaf people with their eyes reading English. Please tell Korean saleman to
>add "deaf people or hearing impaired people" to advertise about closed caption
>decoder if you know them. Thank you.
>
>with deaf pride,
>
>Korean/American Sign Language is Human Right.


I agree that they should add the device is mainly for deaf people.
I also think they are misleading Korean consumers a little bit by
promoting the caption device for learning English. The function is
minimal and I personally think it is not better for people to
use the device for learning English than not to use the device.
It helps to understand a lttle bit better if you don't understand 
some specific word but it does not help you to learn listening English.
The advertisement is mislead a bit too much.
Well, I think it is another scam that business-oriented people created 
using the fact that Koreans are too anxious to learn English.


Kwansik Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ywlee@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:12:35 GMT

ecovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:

>Just a question here. Is this "Yi-Du" writing Chinese characters or
>altered Chinese characters that are used for their pronunciation
>value only? I am just wondering because it kinda sounds like the 
>"Chu Nom" system that was used in Vietnam. Just curious.
>		Maiko Covington  ecovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

Yes, it is Chinese characters using the sound value only. 

youngwhan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.213148.9188@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin) writes:
<In article <1992Apr9.054818.5645@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
<><   (In that point, he is quite inconsistent. He in one
<><   article said that we Korean are proud of SOMEONE ELSE's invention, which
<><   seem to me to meant that Hangul was made soley by NON-Koreans.
<>
<>I've said no such thing.
<
<   You've said. Look below.  
<
<Message-ID: <1992Apr5.061515.11195@cs.yale.edu>
<
<<I'm surprised that
<<more people do not have inferiority complexes--yes I definitely think that
<<koreans as a people have a self-esteem problem.
<
<That doesn't give any one of them the right to claim "superiority" over others,
<particularly if the basis of the claim is a writing system invented by someone
<else.
<       ******Look Here *****.   
<       What do you mean by this sentense?

That the person who claimed "superiority" did not invent _han'gu<l_.

This seems obvious, doesn't it?

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: jae@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jaehoon Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Internet link in korea
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:46:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(Jungshik  Shin) writes:
>(Moon Jeong-Hun) writes:
>>Yes, there are really available public 'telnet' accounts in Seoul KAIST,
>>and also some in SERI. But if you really want to get an account, though

None of them are available now.  
Telnet accounts (telnet program as login shell) have disappeared from
following hosts:

Cosmos, Kum (KAIST.ac.kr domain)
Gaya (KREONet.re.kr - SERI domain)

>       Here's a number for KAIST dial-up in Seoul.
>	    963-5793. I used it as recently as August,1991. I'm not sure

That number still is the right one.  It is seven-odd parity.
The host it is connected is Sorak.KAIST.ac.kr and it does not have guest/telnet
account.  

Network... you can dial-up is Cybernet (also provided by SERI) but as 
far as I know Gaya and Garam are two hosts accessable form there (besides 
other CDC hosts) and none of them have telnete/guest accounts.

Sorry... there isn't a host I know of that has dialup modems hooked up and
has telnet/guest accounts.  Apparently, system managers are getting
paranoid of crackers.

Jaehoon

-- 
   Jaehoon Lee: Jeon-Im Researcher at Korea Telecom Research Center (KTRC)
   Internet:    jae@Sorak.KAIST.ac.kr  (SDN account)
   * Hey! My opinions have nothing to do with my company/my boss. *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:28:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.100021.12259@mcs.anl.gov>, park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov writes:
<
<In spite of his claim that 'Horne' is (was it "could be" ?)

Is.  I'll romanise it however I wish.

<a Korean 
<last name and in spite of his knowledge and concern about East Asian 
<language, culture, politics and history, Scott Horne is not an ethnic Asian.

I don't recall having met you and thus don't know how you can know my
ethnicity, which I will not reveal on SCK.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean