From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:23:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.165648.569@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <DUBACH1.92Dec19015209@husc10.harvard.edu>, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.132520.549@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> 
>>    In article <18654@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
>>    > Mr. Cosgrove writes (inter alia):
>>    > 
>>    > "Sure, he violated a statute which is unjust in itself. That is as insane as
>>    > Khomeni saying Reshdee violated islamic law by writing his book while in
>>    > England and placing a bounty on Rishdee's head. When Iran does it, the world
>>    > laughs because the arabs are too uncivilized to see that their laws do nto
>>    > extend beyond their borders. When the US does it, you back them 100 percent."
>>    > 
>>    > 
>>    > Apart from the misspellings, Iranians are not Arabs.  But I'm sure we'll have
>>    > an argument that they are.
>>    > 
>>    > But, hey, I'm willing to concede that Mr. Cosgrove's legal expertise is as
>>    > convincing as his chess expertise and wind up this whole thread.  Then
>>    > everyone can have a Merry Christmas and wait for the Short-Timman match.
>>    > 
>>    > Well, have a Merry Christmas anyway!
>> 
>>    Hey Bruce, this is the lamest attempt I have seen in this group to
>>    weasel out of the issues raised in a post. As you appear unable to
>>    see the obvious, I'll have to make it plain enough so that Ray Charles
>>    could see it:
>> 
>>    How is the US claim, that it can enact laws which attempt to exercise control
>>    over people outside of its territories, any different than the Iranian claim
>>    that it can pass judgment on Salman Rushdie for writing a book while he was in
>>    Great Britain?
>> 
>>    I eagerly await a mature response which addresses these questions...
>> 
>>    DMC
>> 
>> Bobby Fischer is a U.S. citizen.  He is thus subject to U.S. law.
>> Salman Rushdie is not an Iranian citizen.
>> 
>> Joev
>
>So what you are saying is that by being a citizen of the US, you are
>are basically its property and must abide by its whims even in areas where
>it has no jurisdiction whatsoever??? You believe that simply by having lived
>in the US you are subject to ALL of the wishes of a few political leaders
>even when you leave the borders and fly to another country? 
>
>Can you honestly say you believe that the authority of the US government
>to exercise its powers extends to the entire WORLD??? 
>
>If you go to a free park in Holland (Denmark) and smoke pot, should the US
>have the right to jail you upon your return because you violated its
>zero-tolerance edict? (Sure, swill the beer in Germany, or Vodka in the UUSR,
>but no grass in Holland!)
>
>If you are in Peru on Vacation, and buy a Havanna cigar and smoke it, should
>you be jailed for aiding Fidel Castro upon your return?
>
>If you are in Australia, where at 16 you are legally allowed to make porn
>films, and you watch New Wave Hookers on the hotel cable, should you be
>prosecuted for violating the American child-pornography laws??? (New Wave
>Hookers had the delicious Ms. Lords in it, when she was 16.)
>
>And, if perchance you should happen to be in Bali, and get lucky and screw some
>wild and willing 17 year old, should you be prosecuted for stutory rape upon
>your return to the U.S.
>
>Lawn Jarts can not be sold in the US anymore. If you buy a set while in
>England, and give them to a friend, should the US reserve a place in Federal
>prison for you upon your return?
>
>Dude, just because it is on the books does NOT mean it is valid. Wake up and
>smell the coffee...
>
>DMC
>
How about giving aid and comfort to the enemy in Saigon, circa '70?

How about buy oil froan internationally censured country like Iraq?

Yugosalvian happens to be under UN sanctions.

There are case when a nation's jurisdiction extends to citizens beyonits
borders.

between local laws (Age of consent varies from 13 to 18 in the US, by the
way).  The US is acting in accordance with prevailing international opinion,
and a mandate from what passes for an international legal body.

>
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