HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Subject: Re: Vision while kayaking
Reply-To: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:42:04 GMT

In article <HUDSON.92Jul6103332@yough.cs.umass.edu> hudson@cs.umass.edu writes:

>eyes. Finally, I wised up and switched to cheap disposable contacts for
>paddling, They come in handy plastic and foil containers and now when I lose
>one paddling I pull over and pop another one in. I lose three or four each
>spring but figure the $5-$10 for each set is not worth worrying about.  

I also use disposable soft contact lenses. They cost me about $40 for 6 pairs.
I have never actually lost any while sea kayaking. They are made by Johnson &
Johnson and are called Acuvue (I think.)

-Jennifer
 horsman@geo.lbl.gov
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From: barry@ute.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Barry Shelton)
Subject: Query: Idaho in August?
Originator: root@ute
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:30:57 GMT

I'll be backpacking in the Sawtooths next month, and I'd love to do some
paddling when I get off the trail.  Anybody know:

  1.  Will any rivers in the area still have enough water to be interesting
      in mid-August?  Anything on the South Fork of the Payette worth doing?
      Up to Class IV would be nice, but unfortunately I'll be paddling with
      a random roller, so easy rescues are essential.

  2.  Is there anywhere I can rent kayaks and equipment in the Stanley/Sun
      Valley area?

  3.  Any must-see's or must-do's?

Thanks in advance.

Barry Shelton
barry@ute.columbiasc.ncr.com

Standard Disclaimer.
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Subject: Re: Rapid names
From: mken1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Steven         Kendall        )
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:21:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: rapid, name

Here's some rapid names from the North Island of New Zealand:
   Wairoa River   The Waterfall- beside it is the toaster (rafts fly out of it
                                 like a piece of toast if they fall in)
                  The Cauldron which is part of
                  The Rollercoaster - all Grade V rapids, its a pity that this
                                     river only runs 26 days in the year.
                  Devils Hole
                  Bog Rock
                  Devils Elbow
                  Mothers Nightmare
                  Humpty Dumpty
                  Flyer Waterfall  - this is good for meltdowns
   Rangitaiki     Rock A & Rock B  - Grade 3 slalom rapid
                  Fantail Falls    - Grade 3, remains of an old bridge
                  Jeff's Joy    - Grade 3-4 Chute, knarly ride.
   Mohaka         Milkshake
                  Shark's tooth
                  Slip rapids
                  Boulder flat
   Motu           Bullivant's Cascade
                  The Hump rapid
                  Double Staircase
                  Helicopter
                  The Nasty Rapids - I like the name of this one, am doing
                                     this river soon.

There's heaps of other rapids on these rivers and heaps more rivers but I quite
like the sound of these.

Mark Kendall
Auckland University, NZ
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From: jcarroll@leonardo.src.Honeywell.com (Joe Carroll)
Subject: Re: aqua - kayaking camera recommendations
Organization: Honeywell SRC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:41:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.224616.9338@overload.lbl.gov>, horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman) writes:
> >
> >I use a Minolta Weathermatic. It has an integrated flash, dual lens, is 
> >bright yellow, waterproof to 30 feet and it floats.
> >
> 
> I also own a Minolta. Mine doesn't have a tripod mount, but it takes great
> pictures. Mine is also only waterproof to 15 feet (supposedly,) but I took


I also use this camera and think its great in the rain (canoe camping)
as long as you keep the lens cover wiped off and un-fogged.  But I was
really bummed to discover this spring after returning from Quetico, 
where I used 5 36-picture rolls of 200-type slide film, that it would
only sense 100 and 400!!!! :-(  The slides were mostly washed out and
some very badly.  Careful reading of the instructions gave some hint 
of this but no real statement.  Bummer!!

------ Joe      jcarroll@leonardo.src.honeywell.com
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From: dgs@draco.larc.nasa.gov (Dave G Shively)
Subject: tandem kayaks
Originator: dgs@draco.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:42:07 GMT


I was in the local boat shop this weekend and looked at a couple of two
person kayaks made by Aquaterra, a division of Perception.  The models I 
saw were the "Gemini" and the "Keowee 2".  Does anyone care to comment on
either of these two boats or on Perception sea kayaks in general?

David Shively
dgs@draco.larc.nasa.gov
(804) 864-1815
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: stop Auburn Dam
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:33:04 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Things are getting serious on the Auburn Dam front.  A Senate bill
to fund the dam has been written, and a similar House bill is being
prepared.  Here's what Californians can do:

 o Call Norm Mineta, 408-984-6045, saying that as a taxpayer you are
   outraged that Congress could spend nearly $1 billion on a silly
   dry dam like this, especially considering our huge budget deficit.
   Mineta is Chairman of the House Public Works Committee, and must
   be told that nobody outside the Sacramento construction industry
   wants this dam.

 o Write your Congressional Representative, expressing your opposition
   to Auburn Dam.  Letters are best because your congressperson must
   pretend to sign an reply.

 o Write Senator Alan Cranston, expressing your opposition to Auburn
   Dam.  Seymour is hopeless, don't even bother to write, just hope
   he doesn't get re-elected.

 o If possible, vote against Congressmen Vic Fazio and Bob Matsui, the
   two guys behind the current Auburn Dam proposal.
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From: gizzi@rtsg.mot.com (James A. Gizzi)
Subject: Face masks on helmets
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:02:51 GMT

Paddling the Yough at 4' brought about a question to which
I had no answer.  Why is it that we saw no helmets with
face protectors?  It would seem that there is a great risk
of bashing the front part of the head on rocks.  I figgered
the net would know.
-- 
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sqa.rtsg.mot.com       systems and to question its commitment to Materialism"
                                Audrey Shenandoah - Onandaga "Elder"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:24:13 EDT
From: <JPN@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Schedule (minor errors)

All times listed are Eastern, Pacific zones. Central, Mountain one Hour
earlier.  Flatwater coverage for August 3 is in the 7-10am slot.
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov (David Doshay)
Subject: Re: polyester resin vs epoxy
Organization: NASA-Ames Biocomputation Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:12:44 GMT

I am just about to start construction, and presently intend to use epoxy.

My understanding is that polyester resins have been used for years to build
strip canoes, and that the thinner consistency can lead to an easier time
at getting a finish requireing less sanding. The down side is that the catalysts
used to cure the polyester resins are far more dangerous. This is true both in 
terms of toxicity of the chemicals (they are very caustic) and flamibility.

The book I am using to instruct me on canoe building:
	Building a Strip Canoe
	Gil Gilpatric
	De Lorme Publishing Co
	PO Box 298
	Freeport Maine	04032	(207)865-4171

has a chapter on the resins. Gil states that his first epoxy canoe did not
come out as nice (visually) as his many previous polyester canoes, but that
he now uses epoxy exclusively. He likes the West Systems Epoxy resin.

The down side to epoxy is that it is more sensitive to ultraviolet light,
so a UV blocking varnish must be used.

David		doshay@soma.arc.nasa.gov

The thought police insist I tell you:
my thoughts, not NASA's
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From: csteury@willbe.dsd.es.com (Craig Steury)
Subject: Re: Anyone have shuttle info for Main Salmon?
Organization: /u2/csteury/.organization
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:18:43

In article <1992Jul27.154839.13277@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:


   > The Riggins Chamber of Commerce was not helpful.  We want a service that
   > will take us from the take-out (Riggins) to the put-in on the Main Fork
   > of the Salmon (two rafts, 8 people).  Can anyone recommend a company,
   > give us a phone number, or even copy an ad for us?
   > 
   > -- 
   > /\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
   >   \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
   >       \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.



Ilana,

I have 3 suggestions.

1.  River Rat Express, (out of Stanley) does shuttles for the Middle Fork
and probably the Main.  They may be able to help you.  

2.  Don McClaren (sp?) of Class VI in McCall runs *custom* shuttles.
(including shuttling people).
I inquired once about getting a shuttle to do the South Fork of the
Salmon.  My recollection is that it was sort of pricey ... on the
other hand hitch-hiking or mountain-biking would have taken a LONG
time (there were only 2 of us, but even with 2 vehicles it might be
worth it).   I ended up going somewhere else but will try again.

3.  You might consider driving to Riggins and flying over to Salmon
since it is a long drive (estimated 6-8 hrs at least!)  Both Grant
Amarahl's and Don McClaren/Greg Moore's Idaho whitewater guidebooks mention
airplane shuttle services.  If you can't track a copy down and want a
phone-number(s) please send me email.  (these books are much too
distracting to keep at work!)



--
Craig Steury
Evans & Sutherland
(801) 582-5847
Salt Lake City, UT 84108

csteury@dsd.es.com

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From: kerbyd@capalo (Dave Kerby)
Subject: Chili bar dates
Keywords: when
Organization: Intergraph, Palo Alto CA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:50:39 GMT

Hi all,
  Was just trying to plan some end of season trips on the SFA
and was wondering if anyone knows (approximately) when they're
shutting down the Chili Bar Powerhouse for maint. this year?
It's usually been the middle of October but as wierd as the water's
been this year I won't count on it..Thanx in advance..Dave Kerby
                                        kerbyd@capalo.capalo.ingr.com
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From: fhm@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Miles)
Subject: Kayaks for sale
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:43:21 GMT


2 New Wave whitewater boats for sale:
Pro Jet squirt boat -- glass/kevlar layup, red-gold metalflake deck,
red hull, good condition. $350
Fit cruising/creek boat -- glass layup, silver/black metalflake deck w/
red lightning bolts, black hull. Good condition. $300
$600 takes both or will consider trade for used Perception Matrix.
Email fhm@well.sf.ca.us or fhm@netcom.com
-- 
Frank Miles  |  fhm@well.sf.ca.us  |  "The written word is a lie"  PIL
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Olympic kayaking?
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:36:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Could anybody fill us in about kayaking at the Olympics?  I haven't
seen it on regular coverage, and didn't pay for TripleCast.  I would
even like to know basic stuff like, what events are there, anyway?  
Probably flatwater racing and whitewater slalom, eh?
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Olympic Kayaking
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:29:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <3081@ra.nrl.navy.mil> schuette@roadkill.nrl.navy.mil (Larry Schuette) writes:
>All this talk about Olympic paddling... Lets not forget our other real
>medal chances.

Yeah, but those are all weenie flatwater events.  To quote from Sir William:

"There is no such thing as an expert flatwater paddler."
	--- William Nealy
From: luden@lehigh.edu (Dean E. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Corp of Engineers Number in Eastern PA
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:49:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University Computing Center

I have a number for the Lehigh River release levels.  The problem is that
they get the days level about 10:00 in the morning.  They don't know anything
in advance.  Does anyone know of a number I can call to get more lead time
on the release levels?

Dean Nelson den0@lehigh.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:44:36 EDT
From: <JPN@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: slalom kayaks for sale

Help!  I need to reduce my inventory. Have the following for sale:

1) Extra slalom kayak. Used 2 years. Andy Bridge-built; S-glass, kevlar,
   epoxy construction. 21 lbs. Good walls and yakima footpegs.  Some
   surface dings, but very light and strong boat.  $500 (a steal).

2) Extra slalom kayak. Used 2 years. New Wave-built; S-glass plus some
   kevlar. 22 lbs.  Good walls and yakima footpegs.  Usual bow and
   stern repairs; slightly higher volume than the Bridge design.
   $300 takes it.
3) Impulse slalom kayak. Brian Brown design and built. Hull is Spectra
   glass.  deck has some bad wrinkles. Very low volume rear deck;
   would be good boat for larger person who wanted to do stern
   squirts.  Perception footpegs and cheapo walls.  $150.

    I could deliver to the Yough or the South Bend race. Also can
    deleiver to the Penn Cup races in the Fall.  Contact by e-mail
    or (814)-237-0157. Please call before 10pm EDT. Jon Nelson.
From: semmer@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Steve Semmer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Revolution by Perception
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: semmer@stout.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research


	Paddler magazine, May 92 issue, ran an article about a
cataraft made by Perception called Revolution. I would like to
here from anybody who has played with this boat.

Steve
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From: dlf@library.cornell.edu (David L. Fielding)
Subject: Is there a FAQ for this group?
Organization: Library Technology Department
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:58:39 GMT

	I am looking to buy a canoe but I have no idea of the
current technology used in building canoes. I remember when the
choice was between aluminum and fiberglass. Do people still build
aluminum canoes? What about kevlar? Can I afford it? 

	I would like a canoe that I can load with a weekends worth
of camping gear and one which costs between $300-$500.

	Any help is greatly appreciated.

		Thanks
		David
From: gt4302c@prism.gatech.EDU (THOMSEN,AXEL)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Revolution by Perception
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:05:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I have paddled the Revolution once on the waves below Lesser Wesser
on the Nantahala.and seen it often on the Ocoee
My impression: you can't flip, it takes a good team to maneuver
fast, but it seems possible. It is not easy enough to handle
to take a novice down hard whitewater because the steering has
to be done by both boaters. for that purpose I think the
Prijon TopoDuo, a K2 is preferrable.

I do not claim to be an expert on this matter after trying the boat
for less than half an hour.

Axel
-- 
THOMSEN,AXEL
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: lampi@polari.online.com
Subject: Paddle Wheel Canoeing Revisited
Summary: Lots of Fun!
Keywords: canoe paddlewheels hpb
Organization: R Squared, Redmond, WA (206) 883-3116
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:10:48 GMT

 
As you may remember from an earlier posting I have built sidewheel paddles 
for my 18' canoe. I've since made some changes and thought I'd share them 
with you. 
 
First, I added 5" lengths of vinyl gutters to the 5" by 3" aluminum paddle 
blades the wheels had previously. This creates a scoop effect, with a 
significant reduction in the creation of vortices at the edges of the 
blades. Splashing is also reduced somewhat. However, since the "scoops" 
are 25% wider (4" at the open end vs. 3" blades previously), the effort 
to move the wheels has also increased. 
 
To improve on the energy transfer efficiency from my feet to the cranks 
I've replaced the simple wood block pedals with Shimano SPD's. Unfortunately 
when I took the canoe out for its test run a week ago at the UW Boathouse, 
I forgot my bike shoes :-(, so it was effectively back to the "push only" 
mode of pedaling again. 
 
Even with this problem, I could tell that the speed of the canoe was 
increased even more than with the original paddles. With very little 
effort I was now traveling about twice as fast as serious canoe paddlers, 
maneuvering about in the lilypads, zipping around the byways of the 
Arboretum, and around the 520 bridge. My wife and son (and canoe cart and 
miscellaneous junk) were also in the canoe, for a total weight of at least 
600 pounds. My wife noticed that, as we were headed back to the boathouse 
in fairly heavy 'seas' caused by motor boats/yachts (greatly enjoyed by 
my 3-year old son), that we were actually traveling about as fast as
some of the motor craft that were parallel to us on the other side of the 
channel. I noticed that the posted speed limit was 7 mph, so I would place 
our speed in the neighborhood of 5 to 6 mph. 
 
Can't wait until I have some more free time to try it out with my bike 
shoes! 
 

-- 
-----
+-+  Michael Lampi       lampi@polari.online.com
|R|  R Squared           16398 NE 85th St., Suite 101, Redmond, WA 98052
+-+                      (206) 883-3116       fax (206) 883-2676
From: gt4302c@prism.gatech.EDU (THOMSEN,AXEL)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Face masks on helmets
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:00:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Take a look at European kayaking equipment. Romer makes a helmet
with a detachable chin protector. Otherwise motorcycle helmets
are used. I have never tried anything like that, but two
problems come to mind:
reduced visibility and communication problems. I have paddled
with somebody who owns the Romer halmet, I couldn't understand a word he 
said.
Axel
-- 
THOMSEN,AXEL
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: fhm@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Miles)
Subject: Looking for paddling companions
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:09:59 GMT


I'm getting back into boating after a 4-year(!) layoff; looking for some
Bay Area boaters who know Northern Ca.'s rivers and wouldn't mind me tagging
along. I'm a 10-year veteran of Eastern boating (all the usual W.Va. stuff
and others; hope to get back up to Class IV-V boating reasonably quickly. I
have a large collection of amusing river-related stories and lies to share
with my boating companions. Can also be reached as fhm@netcom.com
-- 
Frank Miles  |  fhm@well.sf.ca.us  |  "The written word is a lie"  PIL
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From: barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG)
Subject: River ratings discussion
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:06:46 GMT

I would like to propose a change in the river rating system.
The reason for this is I have seen a trend toward "down rating" classic
runs from say IV to III. I realize there is a reason for this. Boaters
who are doing drops that are harder than current V's, want to rate these
drops as V. Now, the previous V's becom IV's and the IV's become III's
and so on. This leaves the class II and III boaters in a state of confusion.
My proposal is this:
Adopt a system of V.x, where x is 1,2,3, ... on up to however far you need.
This openended system would allow the expert boaters who are pushing the
limits to go up in grade as high as they can. And it would leave the current
classic runs with their historical, and accepted ratings. 

Runs near me that are accepted (by me and others) have the following ratings.

Browns at 3' on the guage (execpt Zoom Flume)	Class III (I rate Zoom IV-)
1 thru 6 on the Arkansas at 3' on the guage.	Class IV
Pine Creek on the Arkansas at 3' on the guage.	Class V 

Under the new system Pine Creek would get a V.2 (or so) rating
Ok, now a harder rapid like Rigor Mortis on Clear Creek would get a V.4 rating.

What is needed is a guidebook that adopts this kind of terminology.

I would continue to reserve Class VI for rapids that are basically unrunable,
but the very top kayakers are considering running them. They may have been
run occasionally, without much success, by someone. (The cascade below
Shoshoni powerhouse comes to mind).

Any comments?
From: bob@copi.cmhnet.org (Bob Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Paddle Wheel Canoeing Revisited
Keywords: canoe paddlewheels hpb
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:18:36 GMT
Organization: Coordinated Office Programs

lampi@polari.online.com writes:

> 
>As you may remember from an earlier posting I have built sidewheel paddles 
>for my 18' canoe. I've since made some changes and thought I'd share them 
>with you. 
> 

I can't resist...  Shouldn't this have been posted to "rec.boats.PEDDLE" ?

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) 

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From: morgan@nolichucky.rtp.dg.com (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Olympic Kayaking
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:48:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <84000@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
|> In article <3081@ra.nrl.navy.mil> schuette@roadkill.nrl.navy.mil (Larry Schuette) writes:
|> >All this talk about Olympic paddling... Lets not forget our other real
|> >medal chances.
|> 
|> Yeah, but those are all weenie flatwater events.  To quote from Sir William:

Before tossing around words like "weenie",  check out how Mike ("the Bear")
Herbert got his nickname.  Then try paddling an olympic flatwater C1 across
a windy lake if you don't believe expertise is involved.  Those boats make
your favorite wildwater C1 feel as stable as the Queen Mary.

|> 
|> "There is no such thing as an expert flatwater paddler."
|> 	--- William Nealy

Poor 'ol William must have made this remark after one too many trips
over the handlebars of his mountain bike.  Next thing you know he'll
be changing his name to "Bill" and paddling the Haw without sunglasses. :^)

-- 
Keith Morgan                            I'd rather have a bottle infrontame
Data General                            than a frontal lobotomy!
Research Triangle Park, NC
(919)248-6078
morgan@dg-rtp.dg.com
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