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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's racial policies
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:28:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.185510.10956@leland.Stanford.EDU> azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) writes:

>I have but one more thing to say to this flea circus of a newsgroup.

>Ok, I can't and won't speak for other Malays but I can say that I for
>one think that it absolutely sucks to receive these so-called 'special
>priviledges'. Makes me feel like a handicapped invalid. Does anyone
>actually think that, well, since I can't speak for all Malays, I *like*
>to have these special privileges given to me? When I talk of these
>privileges, pride is the last thing that comes to mind.
>Its not the best feeling to have all my achievements belittled by
>people saying things like "Well, the only reason you managed to do that
>is because you have all these priviledges and advantages."

>Does anyone think its cool to be labelled "bangsa subsidi", to belong
>to a group that allegedly cannot achieve anything significant without
>gov't assistance??? How about having adjectives like "helpless", "pathetic";
>"unproductive", "slow" be associated to your group of people???
>Hey, I'd like to get out of this mess as soon as any of you want to.

>I realize that the implementation of the NEP and the "special priviledges"
>hasn't been in the fairest and smoothest sense. But from
>what I see it, without the NEP, I don't think my friends and family might
>be able to move up, out of our kampungs. I probably might not have
>all these educational opportunities given to me. 
>Its not the most perfect system but this is also an extremely complex
>and sensitive issue. Just simply banging on it without giving any thought
>to how other people feel, to its history, to its bare essence, is not
>going to help at all.....

Your sentiments are also mirrored in a Black friend of mine.  He finds that
similar programs in the United States only serve to belittle his achievements.

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From: ckc2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Cheun Kheong Chiew)
Subject: DANNY CHAN!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:37:52 GMT

Would like to know if Hong Kong singer Danny Chan's health is 
a o.k.?
.

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From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: U.S Presidential Election
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:22:35 GMT

In article <1d9a86INNfjm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> zxa5@po.CWRU.Edu (Zulfakar 
spar) writes:
>when I saw the CNN news and saw how the Iraqian celebrated
>BUSH DEFEAT I could not hold myself to laugh ...kah,kah,kah.
>
>-- 
>Zulfakar Bin Aspar
>CWRU (Case Western Reserve University)
>	"Sco be do be do...:"


 
    Saddam TO Bush  
    "After November I still have my jobs. How about you ?"

    Wonder Dan Qualye  will go around US autographing.
    I want his autograph.

  Muskie
  Sofjan Mustopoh
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's racial policies
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:25:13 GMT

Ahmad On (on@husc10.harvard.edu) wrote:
: 
: So, for all you politicians-to-be out there, how do you come to a compromise
: between these two problems?  What kind of policy would correct the economic
: disparity between the races AND not infinge on the personal liberties of the
: rakyat?

If you read my posts carefully you'll notice that I'm slowly going into
that direction.
	But first we have to trace these racists , dictators, mass-murderers
first. I've identified some who are concerned about the future of Malaysia,
but they are still the minority.
: 
: Let's have some constructive feedback, and not the usual (as Azran puts it)
: mumbo-jumbo.

These students have a lot to learn. They should take the STP, general
paper, or have they changed it to something less challenging, just need to
memorise facts as written by someone.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:27:36 GMT
Organization: Ramblin Wreck at the North Ave.

In article <Bx99Fw.2qs@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:

> country as well as Indians. If you take America, once you become a citizen
			                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> of this country, there is a chance for you to be a President. I know is not
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I'm sorry to break your heart but in order to be a US President, you
	would have to be a natural-born meaning an american-born.  Even if
	you were born in other US territories, like Puerto Rico or Guam
	or what have you you still cant be US president.  I dont know abt
	being a US senator though or other political positions.

	Anyways, y'all have a great weekend.

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From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Going Round And Round
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:38:05 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <BxM8yv.HoA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sinar Matahari) writes:
{article deleted to save bandwidth ...]
> 
> Let us be the force of change. For change must happen before we see  another
> unrest in the country. I take this stand as a proud Malaysian, and as a
> Muslim because this belief that that I love prohibit favoritism based
> on races.
> 

It was a sincere and heart felt posting, it is people such as yourself
that I think some good do come out from time to time as a result of the 
open discussions.

It is wrong for some people to think that only when Malaysia does badly
that Singapore will progress, or Hong Kong fumbles that Singapore will
score. Asia Pacific as a region must coorperate in order to grow, and grow
that it will. Before that however,  people must understand that in a global
competition arena, no ONE country can compete alone withour helps from 
other countries. It is, IMH not an individual's race, but rather an obstacle
course that only with cooperation amongst the people in the same race, that 
all may reach the final objective. Can Singapore alone plunge towards 21st
century, achieving all her goals without help from others ? I think not.
Can her neighbours do so alone, IMO unlikely too. It is therefore not only
foolish for people to attack each other because they see each other as 
competitors, it is a seal of fate of how far this region will eventually
progress if peace and coorperation is not uphold.




> 
> Khairol Mohd Ali
> University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign
> akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> 


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From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bullshit!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 08:26:56 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1e0akaINN3ni@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Candy Lee) writes:


> I believe the author offered the last sentence as a reason. I have not
> seen any rebuttle from any Singaporeans yet. Then we talk...

I guess your newsreader must be broken, or else ...

> 
> Hey bud, who died and made you God ??? Sheeshh...
> 
> 

And Who died and made YOU the judge ??? Sheeshh ... (just quoting you)

have a nice day to you too,

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From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To you malasian Singapore basher
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:06:24 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <ygoh.721077225@sfu.ca>, ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh) writes:

> 	I'm glad you have this view on East Malaysia. It isn't pleasant
> to be regarded by other Malaysians that we live on trees. I've learned to
> retort that by saying we get better TV reception up on the trees.

	Seems that a M'sian student in California was extremely irked by the
constant questions by all and sundry "Do you still live in trees?"  He
mentioned that to his professor.  His professor told him, "Say yes.  And the go
on to tell him that *YOUR* ambassador lives in the tallest one."  A friend here
likes to say, "Yes.  And to get to the top floor, we have to use an elevator/  
lift"....  
	Any other tales out there??  :)  Ciao.

-Tai
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From: azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani)
Subject: Re: Malaysia news, Oct, 3, 1992. =>N-Power Plant.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 05:19:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.230919.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> kshan@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>
>  THE STRAITS TIMES WEEKLY EDITION, OCT, 3, 1992.
>
>
>DOCTORS ADVISE AGAINST HAVING N-POWER PLANT.
>
>KUALA LUMPUR -  A group of doctors has urged the Malaysian government to 
>reconsider its decision to set up the nation's first nuclear-power plant in 
>10 years' time.

[Article deleted for brevity's sake]



>Personal remark :-
>
>  Mr. 5%, yes, that is Samy Vellu who is "eating" taxt payers' money, 
>look this time he is going to built a "Nuclear-power plant" to blow all the 
>Malaysian off. What a smart guy he is ! Having corrupted for such a long 
>time, now he is drafting 10-year plan to destroy the "human evidents." 
>Anyway, talking about the nuclear waste, Malaysian government can't even 
>properly dispose the "chemical waste" from a Japanese chemical company that 
>is located at Bukit Merah in Perak. Moreover, under the surpivision of 
>people like Samy Vellu, he might order to use "plaster" to store nuclear 
>waste instead of concrete and steel tanks. Reason ? I leave it to you guys 
>to figure it out. $$.
>
>By: K.S.SHAN
>


I don't know much about Mr. Samy Vellu, neither do I care to talk about his
personal character. However, I am more interested in what you, or the
group of doctors suggest as alternative energy resources besides nuclear
energy. Now, I would say that I personally am opposed to the idea
of having to resort to nuclear energy. But having a little bit of experience
working on this field in Malaysia, I can say that there will be an acute 
shortage of energy resource to meet the rapidly increasing demand.
Also, nuclear reactors are not that expensive if you use long-run analyses.
Point is, it is always easy to simply mouth-off criticism, lot harder
to be constructive about it....


Azran

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From: ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr. Thaddaeus)
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:50:45 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>Due to a lot of ignorance in the qualification of Anwar Ibrahim, our current
>Finance MInister I like to give a brief historical explaination expecially to
>the ignorant chinese.

	After numerous post flaming him he stills persist on holding on to his
biased and IMO racist attitude towards the Chinese (or in the light of recent
discussions, Malaysian [Chinese]). I wonder who done him in so badly that he
is carrying this burden with him ....

>To ME someone who do not get a first class honours is a failure.

	Oh well, I'm a failure then ...... ]:->

>ANNUAR ibrahim is a good muslim. HE was once the president of ABIM. 
>Angkatan bElia Islam Malaysia.

	Being the president of ABIM doesn't make him a good muslim, just as
being the treasurer doesn't mean you're a good accountant/economist.

>	A lot of chinese are scared of being led by a muslim but I tell you,
>you'll learn your lesson when then non-islamic hypocritical Malays were to 
>take power. So far I have not known of any prime ministers who are not 
>devout muslims, but the number of malays who do not belive in Islam is growing.
>	Let us see, how the minorities fare under these people who have no
>moral and discipline, but their self interests and desires.

	Actually, I'm not worried about being governed by a muslim, so long as
he is not a fanatic who issues death orders when someone disagrees with him.
Everybody will suffer under people who have no moral and discipline, not only
the minorities. Which is why I thank GOD that you are not in charge.
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Quote : "Don't you just hate it when the question doesn't suit your answer?"
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:17:09 -0500 
From: Fatt Chee Fong <ff22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot

The point of NUS students not participating is not a 'problem'(i.e if it
is a problem),restricted to NUS or Singapore.
 Here in America at CMU (CARNEGIE MELLON) the STUDENT SENATE does not
even have enough people to run for the dozen or so seats available.The
voter turnout is pathic and I still don't know who the Student President
is(If there is one). This year the Student SEnate does not even have
enough people to fill the quorum. So maybe the people at CMU and
Singaporeans know something others don't.And PLease note the Student
SENATE has real POwer to allocate funds to all the societies and the
budget it gets is in six-figures US$ .

MANA-WOO-EING........LIN PEH
From: espfq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K Y Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: test
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:47:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

Hello! I am a Malaysian studying  MSc. in INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY 
for MANUCFACTURE. Who ever is interested to know more about life 
in UK is welcome to contact me through the e-mail.
                                                                                                                                 
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From: akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sinar Matahari)
Subject: Going Round And Round
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:26:20 GMT


   I have followed the discussion about racial unity for many months
   since the subject came up. Yet, up to this moment, there is little
   progress, and a lot af destructive opinion. To sum it up, here's
   what many of us had been doing on the discussion about racial harmony:

	      The following sentence is false 
	      The proceeding sentence is true

   See what I mean? Let us break this impasse with more productive
   discussion, for I sense that many others are also tired of this 
   stagnant discussion.


   Khairol Mohd Ali
   U of Illinois @ Urbana Champaign
   akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Mentor program
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:37:13 GMT
Organization: Ramblin Wreck from Georgia Tech


	I would like to share this info. esp. with my fellow countrymen/women
	and to fellow asean citizen in general.

	I had an opportunity to volunteer in a program called Students
	Mentor Program recently.  the program was totally administered
	and initiated by tech students.  The ultimate goal was to 
	instill a special interest among school children from 1st grade
	to seniors for science and technology.  Also, the program was  
	design to help those young talented individuals to seek more
	info. and exposure to the world of science and technology of their
	liking.  It is our hope that with  such program, they will
	have a clear view of how engineers(of various fields) and scientist
	go abt doing their jobs and contribute to the society.

	Each student was devided into small groups based upon the area of
	interest to them.  For example, if an 8th grader wants to be a  
	chemist, he/she will be grouped with other people who has the 
	same ambition.  They will be assigned to classrooms where they
	will meet with their 'mentors' which consist of professors, professiona 
	grad students, and undergrad. as well.  The mentors will assist
	them from now on until whenever  and with whatever
	related problems that they have to do like homework or science
	projects, summer jobs-working in research labs etc.
	Perhaps, the best goal of all, is to be their pal.

        E/though this year is my 1st time volunteering in the program, I
	feel that the program is really benefitial to students.
	I wonder whether our colleges at home have such program.

	Tech students are very fortunate, having a strong support and
	commitment from administrators, professors(not only from Tech 
	but also from other colleges such as Emory Univ., UGA, Morehouse)
	and other corporate and govn't agencies and not to mention teachers
	and administrators from elementary and high schools from the metro
	atlanta areas.             

	I think if malaysian colleges could have such program, it would
	be awsome.  At least, those high school leavers wont be like me.
	I remember when I was filling up those forms to get into local
	colleges, I know what I want to be but I have no clue what kinda
	stuff that I'll be dealing with.  You know, having coming from
	an ordinary family with zero exposure to those high-tech careers,
	I think it would be an advantage for students to see what it's
	like before they jump into a particular field.

	Anyways, constuctive comments are welcome otherwise, save your
	breath.

	
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From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Going Round And Round
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:36:09 GMT

In article <BxIorx.E2H@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sinar Matahari) writes:
> 
>    I have followed the discussion about racial unity for many months
>    since the subject came up. Yet, up to this moment, there is little
>    progress, and a lot af destructive opinion. To sum it up, here's
>    what many of us had been doing on the discussion about racial harmony:
> 
> 	      The following sentence is false 
> 	      The proceeding sentence is true
> 
>    See what I mean? Let us break this impasse with more productive
>    discussion, for I sense that many others are also tired of this 
>    stagnant discussion.
> 
> 
>    Khairol Mohd Ali
>    U of Illinois @ Urbana Champaign
>    akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> 
  The following may not be the best solution but something that I think
that could help solve this problem. 
  First, the government needs to redesign the NEP system and make sure that
it's been done right.  This policy should function based on poverty level 
and not based on race. Anyone who qualifies for this "help" should be 
able to get it. Through this way we can make everyone happy and everyone
will benefit out of this policy that includes Malays, Chinese and Indians.

  Second, my suggestion is not to take away the special priveledges from
Malays just for the sake of it but let them try and work hard to achieve
anything like Indians and Chinese. When everyone work hard, they deserve
what they have achieved. No one will be dissappointed.

  Third, give equal opportunity to everyone. That includes education
support, employment opportunity and anything else that needs to be
considered. If this happens the best individual will always get it and
the rest will try work hard for it instead of depending on someone else
to help them.

  Again, this may not be the ultimate solutions. Anyone can comment on this
or input some other way to improve our country system.

  Also, I'm glad that some Malays in this net have seen the problem 
from different perspective and understand what is going on. I think
we all got to work together to make this dreams come true and not just
only Chinese and Indians. Some of you even asked me not to bring this
matter up in the first place just because our ancestors said so. I 
prefer to talk about it now before it's too late. I don't think any
one of us would like to see something like May 13 to occur again.
It's better to solve the problem now before it's get to serious. May be
it is serious now. Let's work towards a united nation.

Good night to all of you where ever you are!

Geeva Subramaniam
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University.

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From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:27:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.165349.3985@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> In article <Bx99Fw.2qs@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
> > I think it is the uniqueness of our country being as a multiracial country
> > and we should introduce ourselves as Malaysian Malays, Malaysian Chinese
> > or as a Malaysian  Indian and still keeping the identity as an Malaysian
> > and work towards the "Satu Bangsa" way.
> 
> 	Agreed.  But it is more difficult to do it this way.  It's just like
> making dinner.  Rojak's much easier than preparing individual dishes.
> > 
> > country as well as Indians. If you take America, once you become a citizen
> > of this country, there is a chance for you to be a President. I know is not
> > that easy but atleast there is no law or constitution saying that you can't.
> 
> 	Nope.  The law states that you have to be born in US soil.
  
   Sorry, that was my mistake.

> 
> > What about Malaysia? There is so much that we as an Indian and Chinese can't
> > achieve eventhough we are the citizen of Malaysia. Maily because of the 
> > special priveledges for the bumis. Well, how many our you think that we don't
> > work hard for our country's growth and don't deserve the same priveledges?
> > Is this situation will be carried on forever?
> 
> 	I don't think so.  Already there are much questionings by all involved. 
> Our task is to ensure that it makes a peaceful transition in a reasonable
> amount of time (not necessary within our lifetimes) instead of tearing apart
> the nation.
> 	Ciao.
> 
> -Tai

  You right, this process takes a lot of time and effort I suppose and also
it has to be done in peaceful way. But, is it possible? Any suggestions?

Geeva Subramaniam.


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