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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: After the Stork and Hanna sizes
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:12:45 GMT
	<ORRVTBETX@linac.fnal.gov> <1992Nov16.212307.15764@adobe.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I've noticed that their bubbly bibs (which I love) have an interesting
fit. Robin (21.5 lbs and 28") is a size 70 - and the size 70 bibs fit,
but they're a bit on the short size in the leg. I have a pair of size
60 bibs that *still* fit on his torso, although they look like
knickers. He's also got a pair of size 80 bibs - they are long in the
leg, but ok because of the elastic.

Now, the plus -- Robin is a umm, chunky 'lil' guy. But the Hannas,
even the 60's, fit him fine in the torso, and he's in cloth diapers. I
put him in some Oshkoshes the other day, and had to take them back
off! He couldn't sit in them! 

Hanna has now made some striped pants out of interlock knit instead of
the rib knit - those should stand up better. The nice thing about the
rib knit (yes, I was suprised the first time I saw it, too, it is
thin) is that it is really soft and stretchy. I've found that I can
dress the kids 1 size too big in the rib turtlenecks and they still
work then. And the fabric doesn't pill as much as other fabrics,
although I've taken to washing them in a gentle wash instead of
regular one. It's probably best for my other clothes, too.

As for the fading, my kids are in lots of 100% cotton clothing, and
putting any of their stuff in chlorine bleach would fade them
appreciably, except for the prints on white. I've found that using the
Amway laundry products (I'm not associated with Amway!) specificially,
the non chlorine bleach and the enzyme booster, has helped a lot in
removing stains from the family laundry without removing color.

Now, putting most 50/50 garments in a chlorine bleach load won't fade
the colors much, and takes out most stains....

I wash my Hannas warm, with like colors. I wash any of the items my
kids have with white on them in a *light* load, not with the darks -
even if it's red and white. The red obviously won't bleed, or it
couldn't be used with white right next to it. The same with light
colored stripes. That way the light colors don't get discolored by
other dark laundry that might give off some dye.

oops, I think I've gone over my character limit... :-)

					*Tigger*

PS - Petit Bateau also makes clothing with the same kind of soft,
stretchy ribknit. I don't know if their prices are any better, but the
stuff also washes and wears well, and Sew Natural Fabrics by Mail has
some of it in stripes in stock for $3? a yard...
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: slangs@sunstroke (Susan Langsford)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Brahm's lullaby
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:03:40 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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johannes.beekhuizen@contrast.wlink.nl (Johannes Beekhuizen) writes:
:  JKM>     Does anyone know the words to Brahm's (sp?) lullabye?  Thanks
: 
: And I hope you _do_ mean the German words.
: 
: Guten Abend, gut' Nacht,
: mit Rosen bedacht,
: mit Naeglein besteckt,
: schlupf unter die Deck!
: Morgen frueh, wenn Gott will,
: wirst du wieder geweckt,
: morgen frueh, wenn Gott will,
: wirst du wieder geweckt.
: 
: Guten Abend, gut' Nacht,
: von Englein bewacht,
: die zeigen im Traum,
: dir Christkindleins Baum:
: Schlaf nur selig und suess,
: schau im Traum's Paradies,
: schlaf nur selig und suess,
: schau im Traum's Paradies.
: 
: 
: Regards,
: 
:        Johannes (friends call me Hans).

Oh, goody, I've always wanted to know the German words...

I don't speak German, but my boyfriend in college did, and taught me to
sing the lullaby *phonetically*.  Now I can research the pronounciations
and translation so I can sing it to my son :).

By the way, this is what my mom sang to me when I was little. ( I don't
claim that these are the *right* words...) 

Lullaby, and goodnight,
With roses beside thee.
With roses o'erhead,
Creep into thy bed.

Lay thee down, now and rest,
Might thy slumber be blest.
Lay thee down, now and rest,
Might thy slumber be blest.

--
Susan Langsford            San Diego State University, College of Sciences
slangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu                  Computer and Electronics Center 

My opinions are my own.                             (or so I've been told)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: nursery school questions
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:53:51 GMT

I'm just looking for some opinions.  We're looking into nursery
schools for Billy (for next September, I can't believe how early
you have to start this!).  Anyhow, we had thought we'd start out
with 2 mornings a week because we're really just looking to give
Billy an exposure to other kids in a group setting (without us
around - currently he's with Mary or me all day).  He's currently
in a pre-nursery program 1 day a week.  After an initial tough
adjustment, he seems to be doing pretty well there (and is quite
proud of his "art projects", which now decorate our refrigerator :-)).

Now the question.  We have since heard and read that 2 days
a week is not a good thing because of the lack of continuity and
that 3 days a week is much better (2.5 hours/day).  I'm just looking
for comments or experiences with nursery schools.  Billy will be 3.5
then, so I know he'll be quite different emotionally and maturity-wise.
Right now, he's very shy and tends to hang back by himself when he's in
a group setting and we didn't want to traumatize him by putting him into
a situation that he's not equipped to handle.  He also has some other
activities that he enjoys that we want to continue him in and a 3 day
nursery program would mean he'd be busy every day of the week.  Advice?
Anecdotes?

I don't know about him, but *I* feel the stress!  Tying this into the
"growing up" thread, how many of you find that your children have grown
up faster than your ability to cope (i.e. you've finally figured out how
to deal with the stage that just ended :-))?  My first inclination is to
protect him from everything and it takes all of my willpower to let
him experience some things firsthand...(his personality is very close
to mine so I can make some pretty good guesses about what's in store
for him as he grows up).

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Heating Bottles
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:14:05 GMT

At what age or time did you stop heating baby bottles?  Or did you 
stop at all?

Catharine
From: kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Any tips for Kaiser delivery ...
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:05:05 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

hi

we will be having baby around december at kaiser in santa clara (near benton)

any tips, suggestions , caution lists ....would be of great help.

We have already learned a lot about episiotomies on this newsgroup. Any tips
specific to this kaiser facility would help us a lot.

any info you think is worth sharing is welcome. I will post the summary.  

regards,

Aniruddha Kortikar (kortikar@mipos2.intel.com)




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From: johannes.beekhuizen@contrast.wlink.nl (Johannes Beekhuizen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 7 mo old pulling hair
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:46:58

Hello Donna,

On Thursday November 19 1992, Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302 wrote to All:

 DDxd> OK, I've just about had it!  I'm about ready to make an appointment to
 DDxd> get my hair cut off (hair that I've been growing for 3 years because

I understand your feelings...

 DDxd> my hubby has this THING about long hair).  At 7 months, Paul still
 DDxd> loves to YANK (and I mean really YANK) at my hair to the point of me

Our Niels is now 11 months, 10 days old. And he still tries to pull my beard
from my chin.

 DDxd> screaming.   Before I get to the "what-did-you-do-to-your-hair?"
 DDxd> stage, can anyone tell me at what age babies STOP pulling mommy's

What about daddy's beard? I think it depends on the individual. Niels is real
hair-puller. Not only beards, but also the cats's and the dog's hair, tail,
ears &c (my wife has short hair). His sister was quite different, very gentle
and sweet.

 DDxd> hair?  I've tried putting my hair in a pony tail, but he still manages
 DDxd> to grab a few strands.  Any other suggestions will be gladly taken.

You could try to roll it into a bun, or braid it around your head. May not look
elegant, but at least you wouldn't have to start growing them again.

Regards,

        Hans.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank)
Subject: Eat when and what you want
Reply-To: frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:53:31 GMT

Here is a data point in the "eat when and what you want".

My children have friends that when they come to my house
assume that my house is as theirs and they can eat when 
and what they want and just help themselves.  I gently
remind them that they are welcome to have whatever they
like they must ask for it first.  Unfortunely since they
don't spend a great amount of time at my house we are always
going back to square one.

I am of the opinion that children will eat when they are ready
but I also believe that it is my responsiblity to teach them they
can't always run and play when it is suppertime just because they
aren't hungry.  The rule at my house is "If you aren't hungry, that
is fine then don't eat it but you must sit down quietly with us
while we are eatting"  I always put a plate of whatever we are having
and sometimes they eat and sometimes they don't.  I do try and limit
sweets but not to a great extent.  If they choose not to eat dinner
they may have apples, carrots etc with peanut butter or cheese but
no candy.
From: kate_smith@next.com (Kate Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffiene and Kids (summary)
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:04:25 GMT

In article <5901@rosie.NeXT.COM> kate_smith@next.com (Kate Smith) writes:
> I just read a recent post which mentions that ADD kids are given  
> stimulants and it triggered a memory of friends who let their young  
> children (grade school) drink cola very close to bedtime.  Both of these  
> seem like the opposite of what I would naturally do because caffiene  
makes  
> me more wired.  If I have caffiene anytime after 3pm I have trouble  
> sleeping!  But maybe kids react differently, or maybe these kids are  
used  
> to it and are less affected. (or maybe I don't understand ADD)
> 
> We certainly are advised not to injest much during pregnancy, and  
> lactation.  So it's clear what medicine thinks about it for very young  
> people.  But does that change as they turn into young people.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience or scientific evidence about caffiene  
and  
> kids?  
> Please email and I'll summarize if there is enough interest.
> 
> Kate Smith
> mom to Karen 7months
> kate@NeXT.com

It turned out that I didn't understand ADD.  So the email that I got  
either asked for summaries, or explained the chemistry of ADD.  Here is  
the best explanation, excerpted from the mail that I recieved:

A proper medical diagnosis is made when a cat scan shows that the
"control portion" of the brain is underdeveloped.  The reason Ritalin
and other stimulants, presumably including caffeine, work is that they
stimulate the entire brain, including the control portion and the
child is then able to control his/her behavior.  Eventually the brain
development catches up and the drugs are no longer necessary.

It was also noted that kids are more prone to losing control as they get  
more tired.  So presumably, caffiene stimulate their brains to get the  
control portion doing it's thing so they can settle down for sleep.

Thanks for enlightening me!
Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rick@eaglet.rain.com (Rick Lindsley)
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
Organization: Quagmire Annex
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:15:35 GMT

barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:

	And when do they stop pulling everything out of the cupboards?

Right about the time they go to college :)

Rick
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: nursery school questions
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:34:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov17.185351.23228@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
>I'm just looking for some opinions.  We're looking into nursery
>schools for Billy (for next September, 
(stuff deleted for brevity)
>Now the question.  We have since heard and read that 2 days
>a week is not a good thing because of the lack of continuity and
>that 3 days a week is much better (2.5 hours/day).  I'm just looking
>for comments or experiences with nursery schools.  Billy will be 3.5
>then, so I know he'll be quite different emotionally and maturity-wise.
(more stuff deleted)
>
>	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
>	ssa@usl.com


Well, I'm sure Billy will really be fine with either two or three days
a week.  Our kids ended up in 3-day-a-week nursery schools at that
age for the really simple reason that the local nursery schools offered
the three-day a week program for 3-year olds.  The two-day a week
program was generally for kids who were not quite three (2.9 years),
so the three-day program was where they ended up.

Peggy
From: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: Authoritarian Parents (as kids grow up)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:51:50 GMT
Reply-To: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO

>>4. Authoritarian parents get more confused and desperate as their children
>>   get older and more independent, as their ability to control (or even
>>   influence) their children declines.
>>
>
>I grew up with an authoritarian parent (at least one! :-), and I
>think I would disagree here. My father breathed a great sigh of
>relief when we were no longer dependent on him (that is after we
>graduated from college). I think being an authoritarian parent is
>a great burden (dictators don't really like themselves very
>much), and is driven by anger at their own lack of control in
>being needed so very much by their children. They get freed up,
>too, when their "charges" grow up.

I think that there is something in between dependency where authoritarian
parents can control and graduating from college. There is a gradual
lessening of parental control throughout a child's life, no matter
how authoritarian a parent is.  However, in the teen years, when an
adolescent begins to go out with friends and to date, this loss of
control is particularly significant.  Adolescents have to make choices
about controlled substance use, how they will obey traffic laws, how
they will interact with the opposite sex, what kind of crowd they will
hang out with, etc.  Parents can try to influence these things, and
authoritarian parents REALLY try to CONTROL them, but the bottom line
is that the kid will have the opportunity to make some of their own choices.

I specifically remember (with awe, sadness, and amusement) my mother
hysterically hollering at me at age 17, after graduating from highschool
and before going off to college six states away, "You think you're going
to be able to go off and do whatever you want, and that I can't stop you.
Well, it just isn't so!"  Ah, but by that age, one really does have the
power to do what one wants, and to choose to abide by the consequences!
It was a pitiful demise of authority, but I remember thinking she could
holler all she wanted....

---------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Whitley            email: Chris.Whitley@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM
NCR Microelectronics     Phone: (303) 223-5100 ext. 314
2001 Danfield Court        Fax: (303) 226-9556
Ft. Collins, CO  80525
Newsgroups: misc.kids,news.groups,soc.roots,news.admin.misc,alt.adoption
From: kvick@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kim Vick)
Subject: Re: RFD/CFD: soc.adoption
Keywords: adoption
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:55:02 GMT

In article <1ehi06INNm3r@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua
Randall) writes:
>In article <BxzJL2.KB9@world.std.com> leebeau@world.std.com (Lee A Beaudette)
writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.210102.2029@sunova.ssc.gov> pamela@sscux1.ssc.gov
(pamela gurd) writes:
>>>
>>>Yes - please create soc.adoption so that more sites can carry it.
>>>
>>>     Pam.
>>
>>Add another YES YES.
>
>Could both of you say *why* you think this group should be created?
>
>Also, I agree with an earlier poster:  this "RFD" does not follow the guilde-
>lines.  Scrap it, see if there's really any interest, and if so, start over.
>
>-- 
>Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu

Joshua - I have read some of your posts, and I was wondering - has anyone ever
told you that you've got a real attitude problem?
-- 
*****************************************************************************
Kim S. Vick                             "Please, Lord, let me prove to you
kim.vick@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM              that winning the lottery won't spoil
I want my zip code to be 90210.          me!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: c60a-bh@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Cottrell)
Subject: Re: Potty Training FAQ, please?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:42:17 GMT

singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer) writes:

>Can someone send me a copy of the Potty Training FAQ?  Joanne Petersen,
>the official keeper of the FAQ, has just had a baby and isn't able to
>respond promptly to mail.  Thanks!

>--  
>David Singer -- Internet: singer@almaden.ibm.com   BITNET: SINGER at ALMADEN
>                Voice: (408) 927-2509              Fax: (408) 927-4073
>(If I needed a disclaimer, I'd put one here.)

Is that why she didn't respond?

Yes, this is the traditional "Me too!" post, so could someone please
send me a copy too?

And also, I'm using a friend's account -- please put "Attn: Al Jones" in
the subject line.

Thanks a whole lot!

          -Albert A. Jones
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: nursery school questions
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:13:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.185351.23228@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
>Tying this into the
>"growing up" thread, how many of you find that your children have grown
>up faster than your ability to cope (i.e. you've finally figured out how
>to deal with the stage that just ended :-))?

Umm, gee, uhh, are you *supposed* to have times when you actually can
cope with the current stage?  I find myself going flat out, and sometimes
not quite keeping up ...

-- Misty
From: lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Bye for now
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:15:46 GMT
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXDate: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:23:03 GMT

I just wanted to say goodbye to everyone here on misc.kids. It's been
great.  I wanted to thank everyone for their support over the last few
months.  Grace will be the big *1* in December and I don't think I could
have gotten through some of the changes over this last year without the
support of misc.kidders.  I will miss you all but hopefully not for too
long.  

I am starting a new job on Monday and I'm not sure when I will get a
chance to get my new net address or even if I will have access to
misc.kids.

Best of luck to all the new parents-to-be - it is a wonderful and
exciting adventure you are embarking on :-)

Thanks again to all the 'experienced' parents - your advice and humor has
been invaluable to me.

Hope to be back soon.
Lynne
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mail order company packaging (was Re: Brio Compatible Thomas trains)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:09:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov21.141127.3652@astrals.portal.com> shams@astrals.portal.com (Sharon Zakhour) writes:
>I just received a package from a company in Vermont that used a new kind  
>of packing peanut made from cornstarch.  If you hold one of the peanuts  
>under water it instantly dissolves.
>

You can eat them, too. I was unaware of these until one day my assistant
(at 23-year-old kid :-)) was unpacking some computer equipment and when he
noticed I was watching he started stuffing the peanuts in his mouth and
swallowing them.

I tried one. Kind of bland ....

Susan
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
Summary: uncomfortable with suggestion to pull baby's hair
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:52:09 GMT
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Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1992Nov20.235413.2533455@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

>Well, I'm not sure how glad you'll be to take this suggestion, but have you
>tried pulling back?
>[...]
>So, when pulling my hair became a way to get a rise out of mom, as it did for
>both my children, I showed them what it felt like.  I grabbed their hair and
>pulled.  Not hard, just enough for them to feel uncomfortable.
[...]

Aside from the obvious question of what one does with a baby who is
bald and therefore doesn't have any hair to pull :-), I have a more
serious concern about Judy's advice.  If I understand the advice
correctly, Judy advocates giving the baby a taste of his/her own
medicine, in measured doses.  The person who originally posted about
this problem has a 7-month old baby.  I seriously doubt that babies
that young understand anything about cause and effect, or
consequences, or most importantly, empathy.  Rather, I think the
message that is received is quite isolated: "hey, why is Mom hurting me?"  
This advice probably would work with a toddler, though the fact that
Erin persists in playing this "game" raises questions about its
effectiveness as a teaching tool.

>I don't think they realize that they are actually hurting you and you have to
>show them this.  

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, should we extend the
hair pulling problem to every other instance of children
inadvertently causing harm to parents?  I hope not.  I don't feel at
all comfortable with the notion that causing pain in return is the
most effective form of teaching empathy!
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 23 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)