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From: eo@ansa.co.uk (Ed Oskiewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: How can you tell if the current folder exists?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:29:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: caligula.9210051829.AA04416
Organization: The Internet


I'm writing an xmh replacement in tcl/tk and have run into an interesting
problem. I would like to start out by scanning an initial folder with graceful
handling of the case where that initial folder does not exist. Now if the user
quotes a folder name foo on the command line then I can execute:

	mhpath +foo

and see if the resulting string is an extant directory

However, if the user does not quote a directory then I want to scan the
current folder, being cautious I would like to avoid doing this if the folder
no longer exists. Trouble is that folder -fast thinks it is interactive and if
the folder does not exist asks whether it is OK to create it

What I tried (in csh syntax) was

set F `folder -fast << EOF\
n\
EOF\
`

(i.e. answer n to "Create folder ..." and then test if $F is null or not.
Trouble is that this seems to create the folder (which may not be what the
user expects).

So, is there a way of telling whether the equivalent of

	mhpath `folder -fast`

exists and is a directory without having to answer a question (i.e. what I'm
really asking for is a folder -nocreate switch or the equivalent).

A last minute test indicate that 'mhpath new' just fails - is this the only
way to go?

Cheers,

Ed Oskiewicz

email:	eo@ansa.co.uk (mcsun!uknet!ansa!eo)	ANSA,
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From: jerry@ora.com (Jerry Peek)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: QUESTION: scan sometimes ignores '-file' parameter
Keywords: scan, mh
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:22:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ora.BvpELC.Jn4
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.150010.10645@mlb.semi.harris.com> smccoy@dw3g.ess.harris.com (Scott McCoy) writes:
> 	Sometimes, when I issue the scan command with a '-file' 
> 	parameter like so:
> 		rsh mailsrvr scan -file /usr/spool/mail/myuserid
> 	scan returns the following:
> 		scan: no messages in drafts
> 	Note that I get this error regardless of whether there actually
> 	is mail in the /usr/spool/mail/myuserid file or not.

That's a bug in scan.  Before it does anything about the -file switch,
scan silently looks in your *current folder* (in this case, on the
"mailsrvr" host).  I don't know why.  If the folder is empty, scan
complains and quits.

A shorter workaround than yours is to add the name of a folder that
has a message in it--along with the -file switch:

	rsh mailsrvr scan -file /usr/spool/mail/myuserid +inbox

Or, if your current folder on mailsrvr is always "drafts", you can leave
a single message in drafts/1.  (BTW, that also solves a problem with
"xmh" where it complains when you open an empty drafts folder.)
-- 
Jerry Peek, O'Reilly & Associates, jerry@ora.com, (617)354-5800
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: smccoy@dw3g.ess.harris.com (Scott McCoy)
Subject: QUESTION: scan sometimes ignores '-file' parameter
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:00:10 GMT
Organization: Harris Corporation Information Systems Division
Keywords: scan, mh


Question:
	Why does scan sometimes ignore the '-file' parameter?

System Config:
	DECstation 5000/200, Ultrix v4.2 (Rev 96), MH v6.7.1, dxmail,
	xlbiff v2 PL0.

Other info:
	We run our mailserver centrally, and everyone rsh's the
	appropriate mail and biff programs on the remote mailserver.

Problem:
	I first noticed this problem when using 'xlbiff', but I can
	recreate the symptoms manually, so I don't think it has
	anything to do with xlbiff.

	Sometimes, when I issue the scan command with a '-file' 
	parameter like so:

		rsh mailsrvr scan -file /usr/spool/mail/myuserid

	scan returns the following:

		scan: no messages in drafts

	Note that I get this error regardless of whether there actually
	is mail in the /usr/spool/mail/myuserid file or not.  I got
	this message this morning, during my first login of the day.
	Therefore, I don't think that what folder I was in the last
	time I used dxmail has anything to do with it.  Also note that
	I *rarely* ever use the drafts folder.

Work around:
	When I get the error message from scan, I issue the following
	command:

		rsh mailsrvr scan +inbox

	and get the proper results.  Please note that ONLY scanning the
	inbox folder will correct the problem.  Scanning other folders
	has no effect on the problem.

	Then I can re-issue the previous scan command, and get the
	correct results:

		rsh mailsrvr scan -file /usr/spool/mail/myuserid

		1  08/26 someuser       some message
		2  08/28 somebody       some other message

Help!

-- 
Scott McCoy	Harris ISD	Opinions expressed are my own.
Staff Eng - SW	Internet: 	smccoy@dw3g.ess.harris.com
Xref: sparky comp.mail.mh:1150 news.answers:3163
From: tholome@bangalore.esf.de (Eric Tholome)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: using fullname in scan
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:23:29 GMT
Reply-To: tholome@esf.de (Eric Tholome)
Organization: ESF Headquarters, Berlin, FRG

I've gone through the FAQ and the book "mh & xmh" but didn't find an answer to
this question:

How do I get scan to use fullnames instead of email addresses when they are
available? (e.g. if a message says: "From: John Doe <doe@whitehouse.gov>", I'd
like scan to display it as coming from John Doe instead of doe@whitehouse.gov).

Please respond by email. I will summarize.

Thanks,

						Eric

-- 
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                               Germany          Fax:      +49 30 82 09 03 19


Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: wlw@madison.INEL.GOV (Walter Weaver)
Subject: Xmh execution error 
Keywords: Xmh HPUX 
Reply-To: wlw@madison.INEL.GOV (Walter Weaver)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:42:31 GMT

 I have been trying to get xmh to work on an HP 720 with HPUX 8.07.
 I first have to change the cc options to -Aa -D_HPUX_SOURCE to get
 it to compile. Now I get the execution error " can't realloc ". I'm
 new to this X stuff being an old FORTRAN programmer and don't have
 a clue as to what's the problem. I built xmh on a DEC 5000/200 with
 no problem. Has anyone encountered this problen on the HP before?
 Any help would be appleciated.
                                     Thanks in advance
                                     Walt Weaver

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Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory.  The views and
opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the
United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: New FAQ Submitted
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

Folks,

  A new FAQ has been submitted to the pit-manager FAQ server and
  should appear at the next automatic posting which is 30 days after
  the last posting.  If you can't wait, see below for instructions on
  obtaining the FAQ.

			  Changed questions

  o Updated the intro.

  o Where can I get MH?
    A mail server in Holland that has the sources is listed.

    A new USPS address is given.

  o What other MH software is available?
    Marshall tells that the MIME updates work only on MH 6.7.2.

  o How can I print a MH manual?
    A mail server in Holland that has the postscript documents (but
    not all) is listed.
    
	
			   Previous Update

			  Changed questions

  o What references exist for MH?    
    Information for Jerry Peek's second edition of the MH book is
    listed.  In addition, all relevant sections of the MH book are
    cross-referenced in the FAQ.
    
    ics.uci.edu is now ftp.ics.uci.edu.
    
    Directory on ftp.uu.net containing the MH book's examples has changed.
    
  o How can I include my signature?
    Another whatnow editor is available.
    
  o Glossary
    POP is RFC 1225, not 1223.
    
			    New questions

  o How can I change my return address?

    
  Obtaining the FAQ:

  By anonymous ftp:
  
    pit-manager.mit.edu	[18.72.1.58]	/pub/usenet/news.answers/mh-faq
					/pub/usenet/news.answers/nn-faq
    ftp.uu.net [137.39.1.9]		/archive/usenet/news.answers/mh-faq.Z
					/archive/usenet/news.answers/nn-faq.Z

  By uucp:

    uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/mh-faq.Z
    uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/nn-faq.Z

  By mail:

    Send mail to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing one (or
    both) of the following:
  
	send usenet/news.answers/mh-faq
	send usenet/news.answers/nn-faq

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar)
Subject: MH for Sequent DYNIX/ptx?
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:39:07 GMT

Has anyone successfully been able to compile MH under
Sequent's DYNIX/ptx?  (Not to be confused with DYNIX...
ptx is SVR3, as opposed to vanilla DYNIX being bsd-ish)

I've had a hell of a time trying to get it to work, with
just about no luck :-(
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
Maxime Taksar              KC6ZPS           mmt@RedBrick.COM
From: anselmo@nic.near.net (Ed Anselmo)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: elm vs. MH ????
Date: 26 Sep 1992 11:12:04 -0400
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.near.net
In-reply-to: emv@msen.com's message of 25 Sep 92 19:56:06 GMT

You have to like emacs, but..., with mh-e, you can have the nice
features of a monolithic mailer like elm, like a scrollable summary
window, and all the nifty MH things, plus with the add-ons, you can do
auto-refiles....  And if you read news with GNUS, you can save your
articles in mh folders and review them later with mh-e.  And it gives
even more things to tinker with, once you're done tinkering with your
.mh_profile.

I like mh-e best in windowed environments, and it's especially nice
with ultra-whizzy things like epoch or lucid emacs; one screen for
editing, one for mh-e, one for gnus.  For dial-up connections from
home, like this one, I just use the MH command line interface --
emacs takes too long to start (and epoch and lemacs won't start at
all).  But I still read news with GNUS :-).
From: jdh@bu-pub.bu.edu (Jason Heirtzler)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: .mh_sequences is poorly formatted
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:16:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Information Technology

Has anyone fixed mh (6.7.2) to correct this error?

  % inc
  inc: /usr1/jdh/mh/inbox/.mh_sequences is poorly formatted

"man xmh" (X11R5) makes reference to this as well:

     - MH will report that the .mh_sequences file is poorly  for-
     matted  if  any  sequence  definition in a particular folder
     contains more than BUFSIZ characters.  xmh tries to  capture
     these messages and display them when they occur, but it can-
     not correct the problem.


----------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Heirtzler      1-617-353-2780            jdh@bu-pub.bu.edu
Sci Comp & Vis       Information Technology    Boston University

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        -- Perl "Configure" script
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:05:08 GMT

startrek@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Breckenridge) writes:

>casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:

>>I'm not too familiar with US law concerning the gathering of
>>addresses, but it is illegal to have such a database in my country.
>>(I mean, you can have any database you want, but you must register
>>that fact and than there are some rules about having to
>>consent to being in the database, government exempted as always).

>That's pretty amazing...what restriction on one's ability to gather and store information...especially since you say your government is allowed to.

The government also has to some rules to abiide by. But, as always
with government, they can do anything they want.

>>If a large number of people has received this shit, we'd better
>>take a firm stance and flame these people (out of business,
>>if need be).

>Fine. Let's really narrow the bandwidth and dump half the "alt." hierarchy at the same time.

We've chosen to receive alt, we've not chosen to receive
junk mail. We pay for those people advertising.

>Actually, I'm just being facetious...I think you've really overblown the Abacus deal...remember, if you don't like a message, you can always - and easily - DELETE it! ;^>

Really. There are hundreds of companiews on the internet and
there are hundreds of companies receiving usenet. It's
not the one message that's bothering me. But if
these people get away with it, we'll be getting hundreds
of junk mail messages all from different addresses so you
won't be able to delete the messages easily.


Casper
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3225 news.admin.misc:54
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 1992 11:29:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Oct05.084013.24430@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>Talk about over-reaction.  I am quite certain that the number of
>annoyed replies and bad publicity they got will be more than enough
>to educate and punish them for sending this mail.

...like most other Usenet/Internet infractions, they're getting the standard
punishment: massive flaming.

>Myself, I am 100% in favour of electronic junk mail replacing the
>vast gobs of dead trees that land in my physical mailbox every day.
>Once we lay down the patterns so that proper headers are placed on
>the junk mail, then it's far better.  My computer can screen my junk
>mail before I see it, something that doesn't happen on paper.

This is exactly why junk email will never replace junk paper mail: junk email
can be screened so that the recipient never sees a single trace of it, while
paper junk mail will at least be glanced at.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:13:27 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <rwa.718328220@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca>
rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander) writes:

>pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:

>>(It boggles my mind why Mexico hasn't made the obvious retalliation
>>of kidnapping members of the U.S. supreme court).
>
>Mexico doesn't own 75% of the nuclear arsenal on the planet.

Ah yes.  Thanks for reminding me.  Force makes right.  At least,
the biggest kid in the global playground thinks so.

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
<Ring> [...] "Sorry, I'm all booked up." "Who was that?" "The library." - B.C.

Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3236 news.admin.misc:65
From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: The Group W Bench

In the referenced article brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>Myself, I am 100% in favour of electronic junk mail replacing the
>vast gobs of dead trees that land in my physical mailbox every day.
>Once we lay down the patterns so that proper headers are placed on
>the junk mail, then it's far better.
[more about screening said deleted]

Aww, c'mon, brad, do you really think Madison Avenue is going to abide
by header standards?  Gimme a break!  This is USENET, for Seldon's sake,
and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to keep them from pulling every stunt
in the book to keep you from hitting a key and consigning them to the
bitbucket where they belong.  Oh, you meant e-mail?  See previous 
arguments.  

Besides, (a) there ARE ways to make paper without killing trees,
if our governments would bother to let us (but that's another rant),
and (b) it's much easier to scrawl a note in the margin of an ad 
than to punt the article to a file, go edit it, make sure you can
tell your own changes from the orignal text, make sure you didn't
delete anything vital, and then come up with some creative filename
so you don't lose it in that morass which comes out when we goof up
and type "ls" on our top-level directories... Naah, much rather
get it paper, it's a break from the CRT.  

-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Tech
(not that they REALLY want to claim my opinions....:)
GOOD HONEST *HEMP*!  -- Wilson
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: tucker@bedford.progress.COM (Kyle Tucker)
Subject: Mailstrom detaching attachments 
Reply-To: tucker@bedford.progress.COM
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:28:26 GMT

Hi,
	I am trying to MIMEify all platforms here as a means of sending 
attachments internally. What I read said Mailstrom for the MAC was MIME
compliant. When I attach a MAC file (apps,documents, etc.) FTP'd to a
UNIX machine using PINE and send that to a IMAP server, Mailstrom gives
no indications that it has an attachment. Nothing in the Mailstrom user
guide mentions MIME or detaching attachments. Have I been mislead about
Mailstroms' MIME compliance, or am I mis-understaing MIME's operations
or am I just missing something. PINE version is 3.05 and Mailstrom is
1.02b3.

Thanks in advance as always. 

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tucker@bedford.progress.com 	   |		14 Oak Park
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 20:32:04 GMT
Keywords: question legal use email

In article <1992Oct6.132329.12271@Gwinnett.COM> todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
>I don't think that I or anybody up the ladder of connection sites should
>have been climbed on for Abacus' error. A simple note to me to alert of the 
>problem would have been a better first step.  BTW,  I stopped the problem 
>as soon as I found out about it.  There were many email's left to go out, 
>not any more.

While I did report that people over-reacted, I did not excuse a blind
E-mailing of this type, which seemed to have no direction.  Your message
indicates it wasn't you who did it.   How did it get done?  Who actually
thought that mailing to random E-mail collected from the net was a good
idea?  Does the person still work there?
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: deliver's "header" utility
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:35:36 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

Is there any documentation on the utility named "header" that is part of the
deliver distribution?  The sample .deliver files show how to make use of
header's -f option, but apparently it has others (-c, -n, and -v or so the
usage message says when you make a syntax error).  What are they for and what
do they do?

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: X400 address conversion
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:56:00 GMT

In <1992Sep24.194252.583@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il (Josh) writes: 

> In article <1992Sep23.192658.285@cs.hw.ac.uk>, vibama@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott
> Doan) writes: 
>
>>       Help to translate the following Internet email address
>>
>>               scv-request@media.mit.edu
>>
>>       into X400 format will be greatly appreciated (Please reply via
>>       private email. Thanks in advance. )
>>
>>       The MHS-RELAY O/R Address Conversion Service at orac.mhs-relay.ac.uk
>> had converted the above address into X400 format as below:
>>
>>       /RFC-822=scv-request(a)media.mit.edu/O=mhs-relay/PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/
>>
>> but unfortunately, it doesn't work.
>
> Send email to:  address-server@relay.cdnnet.ca   with the word HELP in the
> body of the message to get info on their X400 address converter. 

I think these automated address convertors have a ways to go before they're
generally helpful.  Sending the address in question to 
address-server@relay.cdnnet.ca results in

Date: 28 Sep 92 10:16 -0700
From: CDNnet Address Server <address-server@cdnnet.ca>
To: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Message-Id: <mv920928101621>

RFC 822: scv-request@media.mit.edu
X.400:   C=ca;ADMD=telecom.canada;PRMD=cdn;O=edu;OU=mit;OU=media;S=scv-request

This _might_ work from Telecom Canada; I doubt that it would be of much value
to an X.400 customer/user in the US, UK, or other countries.  Unfortunately,
I can't see any evidence of uniformity in X.400 addresses.  At this time,
I know of two which should work for the address scv-request@media.mit.edu

Sprint: (A:TELEMAIL,P:INTERNET,C:US,"RFC-822":<scv-request(a)media.mit.edu>)
AT&T: c=us;admd=attmail;o=uucp;dda.id=internet(b)media.mit.edu(b)scv-request

But neither may work from the UK.  If I were in Scott's situation, needing
an X.400 address which would supposedly work from some system in England,
and mhs-relay gave me any answer which did _not_ work, I think I'd try to
find some live person at mhs-relay who might know more than the machine does.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command