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From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: The Scene Sucks.. (Was somethin else)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:31:07 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

nsj@Apple.COM (Neal Johnson) writes:

> >BTW, I enjoyed your videos that were played before the show.  No
> >cum shots though.
>
> Personally, I thought that this video was stupid, really stupid,
> and pointless. Come on guys, eighth grade is over. It's time
> to stop snickering over sex. I don't know what the INTENT of this
> video was but it certainly contributed to the usual male posturing
> and exploitation of women. Typical, typical... So is industrial
> music as locked into its gonads as metal?
> ============================================================================
> name: Neal Johnson         "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

You obviously didn't watch it. (or most of it). 50% of the "figures" being
exploited were men.


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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: nm-list hosed? 
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:50:02 GMT

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>Anyone know if the list still lives and I'm just not getting it? If
>the list is dead? Being revived? If there's any plans to maybe move
>the list to another site temporarily? I feel like Dr. John Lilly just
>locked me in a sensory deprivation tank.  

It's been shut down since it is pointless to continue without Greg.
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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry sighted at Lush concert!
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:17:48 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

U38956@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

> Yup, that's right.  Al and Paul were at Lush's show at the Cabaret Metro
> Aug 30.  Chris Connely was there too.  Paul and Chris were really
> cool people.  Real friendly, and all.  I didn't get to meat Al,but
                                                         ^^^^

I've heard of people wanting to get close to the man, but this is ridiculous
to expect even on a first date!

Are you sure he's even into this kind of thing?

Thom "still hoping to MEAT Marina Sirtis" Darling

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From: st10t@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Severed Heads - Twister EP
Reply-To: st10t@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:36:28 GMT

>DON'T pay money for this junk. Buy a copy of the album Cuisine and get
>some good music instead.

	This is just an opinion (I suppose it inherantly can't be anything
else) but I just thought Cuisine was absolutely boring. It sounds like
bad new order to me. The only real tracks I like were the Piscatorial ones
at the end (I have it on disk in case those aren't on the lp) which were
in a weird sort of way, ambient.

	Maybe my own tastes are being corrupted as F 242's Front by Front
doesn't do it for me like they used to. Just to get an idea, my current
fav's are more along the lines of Thrill Kill Cult's Cuz its hot or
even Apotheosis's O Fortuna which uses the same latin chant's as KMFDM's
Liebeslied.
	
	I guess this just implies I like things that are a lot more INTENSE
than you, not grungy but intense.

	avi

Ok I admit it, I'm in love w/ Tori Amos.
From: charlie@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Jeremy Tolsma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Severed Heads - Twister EP
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:29:30 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

AC> pleased with _Twister_, the label seems pleased with it, it's selling well
AC> (the delay in my getting a copy is due to my Oz contact's local shop
AC> selling out) and most of the opinions I've heard of it have been positive,
AC> so I'd imagine those few who continue to moan that he's not doing the old
AC> stuff anymore probably count for zilch in the estimation of Mr Ellard.
AC> all. Kinda like Coklacoma is now.
L
Ok you may have a point but that doesnt change the fact that Twister is lame and Cuisine is a boring record..  I dont mind that the new stuff isnt like the  old stuff but it would help if the new stuff was good.  If Mr. Ellard doesnt care what I think then Im more sorry for buying his CD than I was when I thought only his record sucked.  I liked SH up until Cuisine, I just didnt enjoy this particular record very much, and his previous work leads me to beleive he could have done better.  Hopefully the next 
release will make up for it...

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

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From: gish@NCoast.ORG (Tyson Chihaya)
Subject: Re: Final Cut
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:29:02 GMT

jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) writes:
: well..if i could find the album..I'd buy it....
: 
: I saw Final Cut on tour with Chris Connely. I sort of snuck in
: about 2 hours early to the Club where they were playing. I was
: playing some video games and the guy next to me was called away
: by the management, and gave me his game. I came to find out
: later that it was the lead singer of Final Cut.
: 
: anyways...Final Cut was truely awesome to hear. Every song was
: better than the last. Sadly to say, Chris Connely did not
: live up to his reutation and I left early from the Club
: after 5 of his songs.
: 
Cool...I work in a New/used record store, and we got a used copy
of the Final Cut CD in the other day, so I borrowed it..pretty
good stuff..I bought it...


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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: rec.bill.leeb.die.die.die
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:48:16 GMT

carruthers@brandonu.ca (Kai'ckul) writes:

>All I have to add to this is if he thinks THAT is irrelevant, he hasn't
>been listening to his own albums.  Chrissake, he's been doing the same 
>thing since Gashed Senses

Now Sean, you know and I know that Intermix, Delerium, and Cyberaktif do not
sound very much like Front Line Assembly.  At least Bill has shown the
kindness of splitting different styles off into different groups.
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From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Subject: Re: Negativland CDs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:55:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative

In article <1992Sep1.223617.2252@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tony@ajax.Stanford.EDU (Tony Evans) writes:
> 
> I have A Big 10-8 Place on CD.  I think they may have been just re-
> released.  Funny packing with a bumpersticker and poster and 
> wood chips.  Haven't seen the other two though.
> -- 
> | "Here the snow is grey          | Tony Evans

Well, I have the other two on CD, Negativland and Points.  I think Points
was release on CD pretty recently.  I picked it up a week or two ago.
I think all three of these were re-released on Sealand...

Rich...
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Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 15:16:48 -0400 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Industrial Music for Industrial Snobs
	<BtzqIy.HD5@ecf.toronto.edu>
Distribution: rec

Okay, I'm starting to get genuinely tired of the endless
subclassification of music.  Some classification is necessary for the
purposes of this newsgroup (i.e. it is supposed to be for 'industrial',
whatever that is).  But "grunge industrial"?  I'm sorry, but I don't buy
it.  Head of David's music isn't "grunge industrial".  It is heavily
layered, distorted guitar music, with heavy droning beats that never get
above mid-tempo.  That is a much more worthwhile description than
"grunge industrial".  Howzabout trying to describe each band on the
merits of its music.  Don't get yer shorts in a bind just because YOU
don't consider something industrial.  I say we award everybody honorary
"Kuul Person" ribbons, that way nobody is better than anybody else.  And
forget classification.  Each band is different from every other band. 
So describe them that way.  If you do not treat each band on its own
merits, you will be trapped in a single narrowly defined genre, and will
never discover some of the really great music out there.  Like, say,
Vertigo's newest LP, "Ventriloquist" (on Amphetamine Reptile AmRep 009).
 The album of the year, so far.  Good solid midtempo rhythms, with
distorted guitar.  The twist is the heavy use of effects that can only
be described as psychedelic.  Also, good songwriting and some pretty
cool guitar solos.

In conclusion, music can't be classified.  Don't try.  (sorry for the
rambling quality, and no, this isn't aimed at the original poster but
the public at large)

Joshua Buergel      | Every time she slit her wrists
allroy+@cmu.edu     | I wish she hit instead of missed.
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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Lords of Acid
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.074345.26353@u.washington.edu> pauly@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sky Cries Mary) writes:
>Am I the only Lords of Acid fan in the world?
>
well i just went and read all the repsonses to this before posting
and saw that most of the people replied with one word answers
like i would have, so i must change that
there were actually two.. well maybe one informative posts 
that came out of this...

but just a quick question...

WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ASK SUCH A FUCKING DIMWITTED QUESTION??

now i could understand if someone were just trying to find out
if there were other LoA fans out there, 
and you really didnt know how to say
'Is anyone else out there into Lords of Acid?'
(and its not like we werent just talking about them just a little bit ago)

or maybe you live in a small lonely town where you are the
only LoA fan, and you htink that BFE is a good replica of the world at large

or maybe you thought that they were a figment of your imagination
and you just wanted to make sure...and when everyone else said
'who?' you would just assume that you were right

or maybe you are just someone who is so fucking egotistical that you think
that the only reason LoA is in existence is just to make albums for you

but seriously... if you really need to ask such a stupid question,
then do it by sending mail to pauly@hardy.u.washington.edu
and if anyone replies then no, you arent the only fan
but if no one does... well it looks like you are a winner


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If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
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IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE)
Subject: Virgin Prunes
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: everywhere
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:18:41 GMT


 
Geez. Gotta find a familiar editor now that they moved news to this powerful
machine. (Flaming takes BIPS, not just MIPS.)
 
Hey, let's all check out alt.music.enya, they're talking about the Virgin
Prunes and calling them mere "punk". Blah on them new agers.
 
Question: does anyone know the shortwave freq for CBC? If you do, then you
should listen whenever they consider it to be midnight (I think it's Mountain
time they use. Not sure.) Brave New Waves (wait, someone just mentioned it)
is on. Infact - a station in Pittsburgh, I think, a Public Radio Station
were it, rebroadcasts a feed of the show, which is about 4 hours long.
If anyone knows the station in P or the SW freq for CBC (Radio Canada)
then spew.
 
Otherwise please note that La La La Human Steps is appearing in Toronto at
the O'Keef Center (eeiieiieii!) on and the day before Halloween, Enfant C'est
Destroy show, with music from Puppy, Neubauten (electronic Neubauten, then
waves has played it before), etc. Go see them, Controlled Bleeding used them
in their video - or vice versa more likely. Tix probably spensive tho, since
it's the O'Keef. (I cant wait to see a leather and mohawk clad crowd inthe
O'Keef... the ushers are gonna love it..)
 
/kc
Ken P Chasse
sizone!wheres_my_brent@ee.ryerson.ca
via payne@ecf.toronto.edu (her opinions have nothing to do with my hair, etc.)
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From: pauly@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sky Cries Mary)
Subject: Anyone know if Like A Prayer has been done?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:29:26 GMT

I spent the day writing and recording a really techno/thrash version
of Madonna's Like A Prayer.  I heard later that it might have already been done.
I know that John Wesley HArding did an acoustic version of it, but I haven't heard an industrial copy of it.
Please tell me it ain't so...
From: zyzzy@milton.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:23:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug29.002347.16763
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Btpt2I.4to@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) writes:
>bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
>>   Matthew Neill Sharp vs. fLESH CHAMBER 9.....
>>   Ain't THIS the Godzilla vs. Mothra of r.m.i. we've all been waiting
>>   for?                                                      K!z!K
>
>hell for all you know....they could both be the same person.....
>
>i mean think about it?????
>
>Jester aka.....lurker.....

True, I have known this sort of thing to happen.

Lemaire?


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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: help
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 05:49:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug27.035159.21918@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>
>
>
>The Cyberden writes:
>>[delete] ... and a real genuine virgin.
>
>
>Hello?
>Anyone home?
>
>
>WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE DIRECT THIS POOR SOUL TO A TEXT (HISTORICAL IN
>NATURE) DEALING WITH THE MARY'S ALLEGED VIRGINITY, AND PERHAPS EVEN
>MR. CHRIST'S MARRAIGE?
>
>
>THE BIBLE DOESN'T COUNT.


OK, I'll bite... judging from your previous mention of M. Plantard
you're pretty obviously getting at _Holy Blood, Holy Grail_ by
Lincoln, Baigent, and Leigh.  Or maybe _The Messianic Legacy_?
Both are pretty sensationalistic in points, but are very well documented
and are the most completely researched books dealing with Christianity 
I've ever read.  And their discussion of the good ol' fundamentalists
is Right On.

So do you think the Priure de Sion will make it's big play here right before
or after the EEC is totally consolidated? :)

-H

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From: moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: help
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:36:26 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:

> In article <9PX2PB3w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us wri
> >I keep hearing about how jesus christ is coming soon. If this is true, 
> >what are the cities lined up on the tour, and what are the tour dates.
> >
> 
> And who's supporting?
> 
A bunch of realy weird people with wings, and a genuine virgin.


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From: payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE)
Subject: Re: nm-list hosed?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:05:05 GMT

In article <malcolm.714875595@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE) writes:
>
>>Not only is it down cause of the hurricane or whatever reason (remember, the
>>way Nm List runs, there's a hurricane everyday!), but Greg Earle is gone,
>>keeper of the Nm List Archives. And his machine is off/destroyed, or whatever.
>>Major request for old archives is going out here, I was just about to collect
>>them (all?) and slave em to floppy or get Pashdown to anonymous ftp-enable
>>them or something. But its all gone. 5 years. Poof.
>
>Ken, the archives are still there, and I'm busy grabbing them - I hope it
>doesn't choke my disk. 
>
>Here's a pointer:
 
Good boy. I have them here too now, and for some reason I dont have a quota
anymore in my home dir. How nice. Wonder how long that will last! I dont feel
like DLing them to my home PC right now either, 9600bps/mnp5 or not. 9MB
of Nm list... eek. (If you want to do any searching, its good to login to
a place like this... 3 users online on a 250MIPs machine... makes grepping
through 20 megs (9 megs compressed, 20 uncompressed...) bearable...
 
Trivia: Mason's name mentioned 4909 times from the beginning of the list to
now... :^)
 
Nifty stuff: if anyone reads this post and can get Brave New Waves and
is west of my timezone (ie any provinces from Manitoba west) there's an 
interview with a woman from RE/Search on Angry Women. I have it on tape
(taping currently) if anyone is interested. (BNW is on your local CBC FM
station... Canadian Govt funded national radio is pretty darn cool... :^)
 
/kc
Ken Pee Chasse
sizone!nm_list_garbage_collection@ee.ryerson.ca
via payne@ecf.toronto.edu (her options are not my options, etc.)
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: LOTHAR AND THE HAND PEOPLE
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:06:42 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

>kougham@pell4l22 (Michael Koughhan) writes:
>> 
>> Has anyone else out there ever heard of this band?  As far as I know, they  
>> existed in the late sixties and have released one album-L.A.T.H.P. They  
>> are the only band I have heard out of that time period that experimented  
>> with chanting,spoons,early electronic devices, and fucked up, pre-Butthole  
>> Surfers type stuff. Inform.  Inform.  INFORMMMMMMMMMMMARRRRGHAAAGH!  

>Can't think of anything else really similar, but there were other wierd/
>experimental albums from that era that don't really classify as
>psychedelic-rock...

I always thought it was sort of bubblegum "experimental" stuff. I have the 
Lothar ATHP lp  with Machines on it. It was one of the few "pop" psychadelic
type releases to feature a Theremin!

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: valerie@athena.mit.edu (who me?)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:50:27 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug28.062539.21331@ists.ists.ca>
sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Rocks, pebbles, gravel, stones, boulders, tiles, bricks, blocks, sediment, sand, and so on, and so on, and so on) blathers incoherently:
>In article <1992Aug27.222336.3175@athena.mit.edu> valerie@athena.mit.edu (who me?) writes:

>>Why do I have to wear black all the time and have a kool haircut and be
>>a royal snot and call everyone a poseur just because there are few
>>things more enjoyable in my life than blasting (insert your favorite
>>industrial disco band here) at full volume capabilities of my stereo?
>
>Hey, anyone who thinks (or ever thought) that "industrial culture" (or
>whatever other lame thing you want to call it) is or was about wearing
>black, having a k00l haircut, and calling people posers is a loser. 

That's funny, since I live in the middle of it, and that's mostly what I
see. 

>But
>this doesn't excuse you, and the rest of the mainstream, from coming
>along and turning my genre into a pop music phenomena.  I never liked
>the mainstream.  I still don't.  Which is why I probably don't like you.

I'm not the mainstream.  I've probably been listening to what was once
called "underground music" since before you were out of diapers (if you
are out of them at all, by the immaturity level of your post).  Some of
the members of "your genre" that you may never see (or may never be able
to detect in one of your hangouts) just happen to not be able to look
JUST LIKE YOU all the time because they have real jobs, or real academic
pursuits, and have to keep our haircuts and wardrobes reasonably normal
and have to get our little exotic body piercings in places where the
world at large can't see them.  How can you tell if I'm the "mainstream"
from a single post from me?  Your accusation was WAY out of line.

I resent this music becoming a mainstream phenomena just as much as you,
but I don't think I should be wasting my time complaining about it, or
trying to look like I'm cooler than them becasue I may take it more
seriously than they do.  Or am I disqualified since I don't go into mosh
pits because I don't think it's worth the broken bones?

>>At lunch today I saw a perfectly normal-looking woman wearing a KMFDM
>>shirt.  I wanted to hug her for not buying into all the crap that goes
>>along with the genre.
>
>She doesn't have to buy into it.  She IS the crap that goes along
>with the genre.

No dear, YOU are the crap that goes along with the genre.  

>By the way -- you don't have to quote the "my genre" et. al, and 
>announce to the world that I'm an arrogant, cynical bastard -- I know
>I am, and I'm proud of it.

Get off your soapbox and go back to your playpen and whine about it with
your other "cultured" friends because some of us just don't fucking care
what you think. 

-valerie
valerie@mit.edu
From: woocm@essex.ac.uk (Chris Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: The Force Dimension - Discography???
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:30:06 GMT
Reply-To: woocm@essex.ac.uk (Chris Wood)
Organization: University of Essex, U.K.


	The subject line says it all really.

	Thanks,

	C.W.

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