From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Clarification re: Smacking Of Moral Superiority...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:05:10 GMT
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jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes
JK> In article <92Dec2.224348edt.19389@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.ORG (Wi
JK> teeves) writes:
JK> >KATHY MCCLOSKEY <KMCCLOSKEY@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> writes...
JK> >KM> must continue to do so.  To sit idle and allow the airtime to be
JK> >KM> cluttered with abstract, non-practical tracts concerning the
JK> >KM> "morality" of rape (as ju one example) between mostly men who have
JK> >KM> never experienced even the threat o such a scenario, well, it is
JK> >KM> really our (women's) fault if we allow it to continue without
JK> >KM> bringing the boys back to earth.
JK> >                 ^^^^
JK> >Yo...  I thought that it was considered demeaning to call women,
JK> >"girls".  I realise that you may not feel that saying "girls" is
JK> >demeaning, but still, I consider the entire phrase "bringing the boys
JK> >back to earth" seems to smack of an apparent belief of moral
JK> >superiority.

JK> Damn right it smacks of moral superiority.

JK> When people who have never been raped, never been threatened
JK> with rape, never been told that if they do something they are
JK> asking to be raped, sit around saying things like "if she says
JK> no, then goes to a party at his fraternity, gets drunk, and
JK> then he has sex with her, is it rape?"...
JK> I'd say that most ADULTS have something to feel superior ABOUT.

JK> Including Karen, you, and I.
              ^^^^^

Kathy...  Oops!  :-)


JK> (And if that sounds angry, it's because I am expressing anger.)


Well, I am glad that you would consider us all as "adults," but I wonder
why you are angry with what I said.  The reason why I took umbrage with
what Kathy said, was because it was appearing as though she considered
women to be morally superior to men.  This is what I meant when I said
"smacks of moral superiority".

And I realise that we, as men, are not threatened or insulted as much as
women are (although there are some men who are an exception to this rule,
I sometimes wonder if I fall into this category), I believe that it is quite
unfair to imply that all (or most) men act in the way that you described
above.  Also, j ust because one has not had the same negative experiences as
you, does *not* make that person morally inferior to you.

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