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From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: Re: Neck adjustment advice needed
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:37:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.203042.16270@cs.ucla.edu> pickle@fantasie.cs.ucla.edu (Patrick Madden) writes:

>  The neck on my '88 Fender Tele looks like it is a little warped: when I
>put a ruler along the frets with one end at the first fret and the other
>around the 10th fret, it looks like I've got about 1/16" of gap at about
>the 6th fret, maybe a little more.  The frets themselves are flat and even,
>so I think this should be a pretty good measure of the neck itself.
>In general, it looks like the neck is bending like a bow, but not twisting.

>  Is this normal, or should I adjust the truss rod?  I use fairly heavy
>strings, so there's probably more tension than in a typical setup.

>  If I do need to adjust the truss rod, which direction do I turn the
>allen wrench--looking from the headstock down the neck, do I go
>clockwise or counter-clockwise, and how many turns would be expected?
>Should I do this with strings on or off?

> Any help would be much appreciated....


>Patrick
>pickle@cs.ucla.edu
>"Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em     That I've got no cerebellum
> Gonna get my PhD                      I'm a teenage lobotomy"

I recommend having it looked at by a good guitar tech. He (she?)
would be able to determine if the truss rod just needs a little tweak,
or if the neck has other problems. 

In general, a little bow like you describe is normal and desirable; they 
call it 'relief'. 

Around here, a complete set-up of a guitar costs about 30-50$. Truss rod
adjustment only should be about $5 - $10. A complete setup involves fret
levelling, buffing, adjustment, intonation, possibley adjusting the 
grooves in the nut. Properly done, it's the best way to get the most from 
any guitar.

If you want to try tweaking the truss rod yourself, do it very cautiously.
Small adjustments of the nut make a big difference. Turn the nut clockwise
to tighten (this pulls the neck back, opposite to the pull of the strings).
Do it with the strings on, so you can measure the change as you do it, under
actual tension.

Of course, if there are no buzzes or rattles when you play, you might just 
leave it alone.

Good luck,
Robert



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Robert Fries
Ungermann-Bass Inc.

DISCLAIMER:
    Opinions contained herein are my own, and are not necessarily those
    of Ungermann-Bass.
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: chung@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Vicente Chung)
Subject: Test: V. Chung @ Rochester
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:56:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

This is a test

-- 
Vicente Chung
CHUNG@RCHLAND.VNET.IBM.COM
From: gebo@acsu.buffalo.edu (Tom Gebo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Kramer Pacer for sale
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:19:21 GMT
Distribution: wny
Organization: UB


	Kramer Pacer - it has a factory custom blue finish that looks purplish
when light hits it a certain way.  I bought it new and it had Jackson electonicsalready installed in it.  It has 1 double coil and 2 singles, all active 
controls.  The rest of its features:

	- Floyd Rose whammy system
	- rosewood fingerboard, no finish on back of neck.
	- black chrome hardware
	- Kramer hardshell case

It is in excellent shape, I am in need of some positive cash flow or else I
would keep it.  I would like to get $320 for it.

respond to gebo@artemis.eng.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: larryh@fawlty.lmc.com (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: Help date my old Gretsch!
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation,  Beaverton  OR
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:06:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.070323.5017@news.unomaha.edu> stans@cwis.unomaha.edu (Robert Stansbury) writes:
>the serial number is
>stamped on the top edge of the headstock - not the front or back, but the
>top edge.
>
    This puts it in the early 60's.  What IS the serial number?

    - Larry Huntley

-- 
         (larryh@lmc.com)         | I'm going to the love-in to sit
     Logic Modeling Corporation   |    and play my bongos in the dirt.
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.audio.pro
From: cooper@kdx200.enet.dec.com ()
Subject:  Guitar for sale...Gibson LesPaul Custom
Reply-To: cooper@kdx200.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:21:44 GMT


I'm building a studio, and need some operating capitol... So, I have a 1983 
Gibson LesPaul Custom for sale (that has a story to go with it).

A women buys her boyfriend a BRAND NEW LES PAUL CUSTOM for Xmas.  Not knowing 
what he was getting for Xmas, the IDIOT dumps her.  So, she needs some
money to pay her charge card bill... She pawns the guitar.  The ticket 
is about to expire, and here's comes the drummer I play with.  He's gonna
help her out...Pays the pawn ticket and brings the guitar home, saying to 
the gall she can have it when she gets  the money...  He never hears from her
again.  So, my drummer buddy puts the  guitar in the case and hides it in the
back of a closet.  Read between the lines kids, HE NEVER PLAYED IT !!

9 years later, I trade a motorcycle for it.  Now *I* need some $$!!

Anyway, the guitar is FLAWLESS.  There is not ONE NICK on the gutar or case.
It's absolutely brand new, with *maybe* 20 hours of paying on it (max).
So, if you want beautiful White '83 LP Custom, MOP inlaid neck, antique
binding, gold hardware, case etc...etc... You've come to the right place.

$850 or best offer.  Send me some mail and we'll talk !!  Trades considered
for STUDIO gear...

jc

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From: boydso@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (The Sexecutioner)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Arbor guitar
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:39:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-24.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


I have an Arbor brand guitar, it's a copy of a Telecaster.  Any
idea what it's worth (if anything)?

Thanks,

Stephen Boyd
boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: pedwards@csli.stanford.edu (Paul N Edwards)
Subject: What's happened to Wishbone Ash?
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:53:59 GMT

What's become of Wishbone Ash, my favorite guitar band of the 1970s?
The last album I've got was made about 1987-88, called "Here to Hear."
Are they still around? If not, anyone know what's become of their
awesome guitarists Andy Powell and Laurie Wisefield?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: labiche@crchh561 (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: buying a guitar: US vs UK
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:21:51 GMT
Organization: BNR, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

yes prices on guitars are significantly cheaper.

Customs might catch you upon your return to you'll
have to balance the cost with how much customs duty
you should pay.

I live in Dallas and we have a (inter)National guitar
show here twice a year.  If your interested there's
another coming up in either late March or Early April.
This is the best spot to see many guitars.  Although
not one of the best to listen to acoustics It's worth
going to at least once to see the collections.
I would think that you'd have a much greater selection
over here in the US than just about anywhere.

I bought a Mossman acoustic from a friend who bought the
Mossman factory and moved it from Kansas to Dallas.
I find that Martin's sound like comparitively like toys.
But with a little resourceful looking on your part you
ought to find a great guitar.

I don't know if you're looking for a new instrument or not
but I'd recommend a used Mossman if you can find one.

Good Luck making the purchase I just made mine when the
opportunity presented itself.

--
--------------------------------------
Maurice LaBiche   |   labiche@bnr.ca

"The world is a strange place."
"Someone oughta sell tickets."
"I'd buy one!"
From: snowdond@cs.man.ac.uk (Dave Snowdon)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: guitar MIDI pickups (was GR-50 Vs GR1)
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:49:35 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1993Jan11.135930.1938@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, eliot@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Eliot Miranda;W211) writes:
  [stuff deleted]
> The GR-50's tracking is certainly not as good as the GR-1's, however, its not
> bad.  But its good only playing the internal sound module.  When going out to
> MIDI the GR-50 is acceptable for single note stuff, and apalling for chords.
> Chords are smeared, even if both patch chromatic and 'midi out chromatic' are
> switched on.
  [stuff deleted] 

Has anyone got any experience of how the various MIDI pickups compare in
tracking speed with devices like the GR-50 & GR1?

I have a sound module which I'm happy with and can't afford a GR1 (or a
GR-50) so ideally I'd like something that tracks as well but without the
internal sounds.

I've heard about devices like the Gibson widget and the Shadow pickups (I'm
sure there are other alternatives as well).

			thanks
				Dave
-- 
Dave Snowdon
Department of Computer Science   Tel:    (UK) 061 275 5717
Manchester University            E-mail: snowdond@cs.man.ac.uk
M13 9PL U.K.                          or snowdond@uk.ac.man.cs

  The Devil may care... But I don't mind (T.S.o.M.)
From: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: LESSON OF THE WEEK
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 

Yup! I'll go for the lessons too. I've been playing for 17 years now and
it seems that theory is easier to gobble now than 5 years ago...

        georges.milette.synapse.org
From: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RE: NUT LOOSE ON OVATION
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 

Personally, as a guitar repairman, If the rod adjusment bold is on the
side of the headstock, just unscrew it completely and add a couple of
turns of Teflon tape on the thread.
        If the adjustment is in the hole (as most acoustics), just
unscrew most as you can and put some on the rod, then insert it and just
put a little tension just to prevent the rod from moving.
        One electric guitar I built a couple of years ago has a neck so
strong that it never needed any truss rod adjustment. I just put a
quarter turn on it and have been using .010 to .046 gauge strings.\

georges.milette.synapse.org

P.S.  Teflon tape is the little white tape plumbers use for creating a
good joint between threads on pipe. It's quite cheap but very practical
on other kink of uses..
From: kennys@terapin.com (Kenny Sequeira)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: questions
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:04:34 PST
Organization: BBS


Well I no many of you experienced players may be annoyed by some of 
these questions but, since I don't know any other guitar players yet 
I fell this would be a good place to get some information, so bare 
with me.  The guitar salesman is a waste of time after he made the 
sale he does not have time for my questions.  Of course that store 
will never get another dime of my money.

I don't know what certain things do on the guitar and I would also 
like some general information about te guitar.  I got a Fender Strat 
for Christmas, I received no documentation with the guitar, I went 
back to the store to ask for some documentation and I was told that 
guitars do not come documentation, I find this hard to believe, tht 
when you spend this type of money there is no documentation.

The color of the quitar is blackstone which BTW is very beautiful, I 
would like  now how to care for the finish, soap and water only ect... 
I don't want to damage the finish using some harsh compound.  By reading 
some of the messages here I know how to take care of the strings.

The guitar has no pick guard, the plug position is like a Les Paul, not 
on the face like a standard strat.  It has two control knobs, one volume 
one tone. The tone control seems to have a default setting of 5, is that 
a good place to position tone?  

It has 4 pickups, 2 Dimarzio's and two single pickups (no name), it has 
a 5 position switch for the pickups, I only know that when the switch is 
all to the right the Diamario's are on.  I have no idea what the other 
switch positions turn on or off.  Also, some of the switch positionave 
no hum and some have allot of hum, is this normal?

The guitar has a Floyd Rose system and the strings are locked to nut will 
allen screws, there is also allen screws on the Floyd Rose which I know 
loosen the strings, there is also some more screws on the Floyd Rose that 
I believe allow you move them in or out?  The guitar did not come with any 
wrenches so right now I have no way of tuning the guitar, I called the 
salesman for a wrench again he said the guitar did not come with one I 
had to buy one for 11 bucks.  I'm on way to the local hardware to pick 
up a wrench.  Should I leave the Floyd Rose System alone, is the factory 
setting the best?

This question is more for info than anything, the neck is made of a 
light colored wood and the fret board (24) is dark brown wood, what 
material are these?

I do have my first lesson Friday, is there something I should look for 
in selecting a good instructor.  Also, are thee any good beginner books 
or video tapes that I should purchase.

Maybe this is the dumbest question of all, I have been playing on my 
own for a week now and the tips of my fingers hurt, should I stop playing 
for a day or so to let them heal?

Kenny
From: rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Ryszard Boryna)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: One for the FAQ ( Was: Tuning Trouble )
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading

In article 10319@ericsson.se, etljmme@etlxd30.ericsson.se (Jim) writes:
> Also, I find that when perfectly tuned, most chords sound good
> but as you go up the neck, the sound deteriorates slightly.

Intonation again!  Considering the amount of talk there was about this before Xmas
perhaps this would be a good FAQ topic. And perhaps different methode of tuning?

Ryszard
From: raimo@think.com (Bill Raimo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Lesson of the Week
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:12:49 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation


I was thinking that it would be kinda cool to be able to get lessons on the
net.  If someone who had teaching experience would be willing to post a
Lesson of the Week, it would be really great.  It could be set up to have a
section for each level of experience (beginner, intermediate, advanced).
I realize that everyones ideas that get posted are all very helpful, but if
there was a series of lessons that would take you from one point to
another, it would be somewhat like going for lessons.  

What I would be looking for from these lessons would be a theory section
followed by examples of usage.  For example, the theory section could
consist of a certain scale, and the example section could use that scale
in a popular song or a lead.  Techniques could be taught this way also.

Would anyone want to volunteer to take on this task?  I'm sure many of us
out here who are trying to get up to speed would really be grateful.

Thanks in advance,
Bill

    >Great Idea!  I have taught guitar for 3 or 4 years now and feel I would be
    >able to do a good job with somthing like this.  We could start at the
    >begginer/intermediate level and work in that area.  The only problem I have
    >with this is that I might be busy and miss a week every now and then.  I
    >would be more dedicated if I knew a bunch of people were using the info.
    >
    >How about this, if you are interested in the 'Lesson A Week' idea drop me
    >Email saying 'Yes, I'm interested.'  If I get enough votes, I'll do a 
    >lesson on-line.  Then if the response is good (i.e. the users don't think
    >I suck) then we'll keep it up.
    >
    >Let me know.
    >
    >
    >-- 
    >*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
    >*	Bill Quinn			billq@ms.uky.edu		*
    >*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
From: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Looking for info on varitone choke..
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:52:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I recently put a 6 position switch in my guitar with the intent of placing
a varitone circuit in there.  But I refuse to pay $44 for a COIL of wire!

Does someone have the formula needed (or a less expensive source) for a 1.5
Henry choke?  I have all the other components needed.  Thanks
--
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CFN: ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu      CALFN: ab069@swrl36.calstate.edu
APK: Eric.Hinson@apk.wariat.org   TELERAMA: ehinson@telerama.pgh.pa.us
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* * Electronic mail replies welcome at ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu * *
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 11:22:27 EST
From: Peter S. Andersen <OBFP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Electra guitar

 Has anyone heard of this brand of guitar? I saw one in a local
store the other day. It is a solid body with neck through the body
or possibly some kind of glued on arrangement. It has two
humbuckers with controls in a Les Paul kind of configuration. Any
clue where this beast may have originated?
From: drkerns@sony7.sdrc.com (sean kerns)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Electra guitar
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:48:07 GMT
Organization: SDRC

Elektra's are middle to lower quality copy guitars. They play okay, but aren't
usually made from the best stuff. Good for beginners, but I wouldn't want to 
have to gig with one.

Snake


P.S. Epiphone's copies are usually around the same proce, and tend to be 
pretty good guitars.
From: rthomas@terapin.com (Richard Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: My guitar
Date: 10 Jan 93 09:05:54 PST
Organization: BBS

Hi... I'm kinda new to guitars (I started last summer) and for Christmas I got
a used guitar and amp... I was wondering if someone could give me a quick
review of the nice nad bad things of them... 

1) The guitar is an Ibanez Roadstar ][ Series, with one of those things on the
body where all the strings are suspended on three real big springs inside the
body (I'm not quite sure what the use of this is, but my guitar teacher says it
helps with something or other).  It's got two knobs, volume and tune, as well
as a 5 position switch that changes the sound somewhat, but I usually leave it
alone. It's in pretty good condition...

2) The amp is a CRATE 160 by SLM... It gives pretty good sound, but I've never
heard of SLM or CRATE before...

Could someone please rate these two things for me? Please bear in mind that I
have almost no idea what I'm talking about so it would be good to use nice,
small, 1 syllable words in response (as opposed to "ah, you have a
double-whammy-humbuckler-body construction", I would have no idea what you were
talking about).  Public or private response, it doesn't matter to me... And by
the way, I'm definately interested in that lesson of the week thing that's
being discussed in another thread that I forgot to respond to... Thanx alot...

Richard Thomas
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: tim@ubitrex.mb.ca (Tim Braun)
Subject: Re: aging strings - is there a way to recycle
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:30:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.142723.9511@ohm.york.ac.uk> ian@ohm.york.ac.uk writes:
>In article <63134@mimsy.umd.edu> lhcompt@cs.umd.edu (Lawrence H. Compton)  
>writes:
>> >>>Q: Strings age and need to be replaced. Ist there a way to squeeze more  
>life
>> >>>   out of them ? It seems such a waste to throw them away.
>> 
>Boiling does work!
 .
  .
   .
>I probably wouldn't bother for guitar, or even for my main bass, but my  
>fretless (which I don't use much) takes double ball ends, which are hard to  
>get, and very expensive. I'll probably boil those again in the future.
>
>Ian Stephenson
>ian@ohm.york.ac.uk

My bass-playing buddy used to boil his strings every couple of months.  It
is definitely effective for bass.  Whether it is useful for guitar where
the strings are cheaper, and mine break before they age too much anyway,
depends on how you trade off hassles versus budget.  

I agree whole-heartedly with Ian.
-- 
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Ubitrex Corporation                | Voice: 204-942-2992 ext 228
1900-155 Carlton St                | FAX:   204-942-3001
From: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: NECK ADJUSTMENT ADVICE NE
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 

Hi . A well adjusted neck is NOT completely flat. There should an INWARD
bow for the first to the last fret.. Why? because strings vibrate MORE
towards the middle of the string than the ends. Especially necks that
have a rounder radius like Old fenders..
        I've seen more than one guy try to adjust a neck by putting it
real flat and the string buzz was causing some frets to WEAR out
prematurely.. Before adjusting your neck, buy a book that tells you how
to do it or ask your local store. Stewart macdonald in ohio (there
should be an address of them in Guitar World somewhere).
        georges.milette.synapse.org
                 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: larryh@fawlty.lmc.com (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: Nut loose on Ovation
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation  Beaverton, OR
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:31:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.143715.19073@husc3.harvard.edu> winer@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Adam Winer) writes:
>The nut on my Ovation is completely loose.
>I was thinking
>of just using a couple drops of Krazy Glue to keep it in
>place, but I wasn't sure if this was a bad idea or not.
>
    Do not, repeat DO NOT use Krazy Glue, Super Glue, or any cyanoacrylate
    adhesive to attach a nut.  The nut is something that may someday re-
    quire replacement and if it is glued in hard, it will be very diffi-
    cult (and expensive) to replace/have replaced.  A drop or two of white
    glue (Elmer's, etc.) is all that is required.  If it's not set into a
    slot, be sure that it's tight up against the fingerboard.  Hold it in
    place with masking tape for an hour, then string it up.

    Glued this way, it will stay in place but be easy to remove if that
    ever becomes necessary.

    - Larry Huntley

-- 
         (larryh@lmc.com)         | I'm going to the love-in to sit
     Logic Modeling Corporation   |    and play my bongos in the dirt.
          Beaverton,  OR          |        - "Flower Punk", Frank Zappa