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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Final Four Venues (was: Re: Call for toughest arena votes)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:27:49 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Oct6.203938.9234@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <70206@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)  
>writes: 
>
>> By the way, the 1992 Final Four program book lists Rutgers as the
>> host school for hte 1996 FF.  But doesn't somebody (Seton Hall,
>> maybe?) play more games there every year than RU?
>
>I think this is a political decision to make the "smaller" confs
>feel good about hosting.  Butler was the host for the Hoosier
>Dome in 1991.  I don't think they are the host in '97 again,

According to my program, Butler and the Midwestern Collegiate
Conference are cohosts.

>but I don't recall who is - either IU or Purdue, I think.  I
>don't have the NCAA program here because they think I work :)

My people think I work too.  But I can't help what they think.
:-)

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From: dru@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Dru)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Hurley's college stats?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:46:25 GMT
Organization: PUCC Unix Group

A friend of mine would like to get his hands on any/all of Hurley's stats
from his college career, as well as his teammates as well if possible.  Does
anyone have this info, or know of an ftp site from which I could glean this
info?

All pointer/non-flames appreciated!

Dru
dru@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Recruiting News Here and There
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:34:39 GMT

In article <69649@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>
>Pitino said something 
>about not wanting to "stockpile" players at any position, and yet UK
>has had enough injuries and graduations that you'd think he wouldn't
>mind getting someone of Burton's obvious quality.  
>

I understand they're working on Mashburn's conditioning so he won't
get injured and the rules so he never graduates.

Ken B.
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Brian Williams Fans
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:48:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep26.014935.9075@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
> This is the third time in approximately six weeks that Williams has passed
> out.  The first incident  occurred while he was playing basketball in the
> Los Angeles Summer League.  The second incident occurred while Williams was
> swimming in a hotel pool (fortunately he was in the shallow end and was able
> to pull himself out of the pool before anything serious happened).  He appears
> to regain consciousness quickly following each occurance.  Batteries of
> cardiac and neurological tests have failed to identify the cause of Williams'
> problem.


Have the doctors begun to look beyond heart problems? I'm curious because
all of the reports I have seen indicate that his heart functioning after
these incidents was good and that there was/is no indication of a heart
related problem. I can't help but wonder if he has some sort of strange
epileptic seziures or some minor narcileptic (sp?) problem. Strange that
this problem never showed up during his time at Arizona...



				gln



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From: mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley)
Subject: Re: Syracuse Probation
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:01:06 EDT

In article <1992Oct1.181145.20120@oswego.Oswego.EDU> cs_ind23@oswego.Oswego.EDU (James LaPlaine) writes:
>
>It's some small infraction like buying the players dinner or something like
>that. A local car dealer gave cars to some players also, It's only the big
>schools that ever get hit with probation anyway. 
> The NCAA makes tons of money from it, so why don't they just let it go?
>                                -Jamie

    Whoa now.  No cars were given to anybody, I few car rentals on 
occasion.  There's a big difference.
    There were links to Rob Johnson, honorable street agent that he
is, that he gave rides to games to Conrad McRae.  Some of these rides
were supposedly unknown to SU.
    The only other "notable" one was a booster game each player $50
at Christmas.  The others in mine and the NCAA's opinion were minor.
There were just a lot of minor ones that the NCAA felt added up to
a major one.
    Things like getting free drinks in bars, free haircuts, free/
discounted meals go on at every school that I've seen.  These things
are not really controlable by a coach.  And the bars do it because
it's good business for them to have a local celebrity drink in there
bar.  Two other infractions that crack me up were once when Conrad
came up for a visit, he slam dunked in the Dome just for fun.  The
NCAA deemed this as an illegal try-out since he had not signed yet.
Come on, if I'm in high school and I'm 7 ft. tall, you can bet I'm
gonna dunk in the Dome just to say I did.
    The other one was when some idiot challanged Stevie Thompson
in a one on one game for $100.  Stevie crushed him and took the
fools money.  Please, like an NBA caliber player's eyes don't light
up when some nobody offers up a $100.
    Like I said, the majority of the incidents were not very easily
controlled and they were not recruiting violations because these 
guys were already here.  They were just perks for being a local
celebrity.  I'm not saying it's right, but it's kinda picky in
some places.
    In a side note, SU volunteered that if the NCAA let them play
in the tournament, they would donate all their winnings (est.
$365,000) to charity.  The NCAA said no.  I know what your saying,
SU will choke and the charity will die, but I thought it was a good
gesture anyway.  Personally I would of accepted the deal, but then
again I'm a little biased.

-matt
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Jayhawk Posting #1 (re recruits)
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:07:12 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

From Thursday, October 1, 1992, issue of the University Daily Kansan.

CENTER FROM UTAH COMMITS TO KANSAS
by David Dorsey, Kansan sportswriter

   Two down, two to go.
   Kansas has two remaining basketball scholarships for next season after Nick
Proud verbally committed on Tuesday. Proud, a 6-10, 215 lb. center plays at
Alta High School in Sandy, Utah.
   B.J. Williams, 6-8 forward from Wichita South High School, gave his
commitment earlier this month.
   Proud, a native of Sydney, Australia, finished his first season at Alta last
spring.  He averaged 15 points and eight rebounds a game last season.  Proud
visited Kansas last week and attended the Kansas-California football game. "I'm
definitely coming," Proud said yesterday in a telephone interview. "The way I
got along with the team and the fact that I like the atmosphere influenced my
decision to commit." "I like to play with my back to the basket, but I can
shoot the jumper." Proud said he came to the United States to improve his
basketball skills. "They play some in Australia, but not much."
   His coach, Ron Carling, said that he was a good player that could have an
impact early in college. "He's a back-to-the-basket player," Carling said. "But
he has very good hands and a very nice shooting touch. I think he can make the
adjustment fairly quickly to the college game if he keeps his work ethic."
   Bob Gibbons, a recruiting analyst, listed Proud as the 35th best player in
the nation and sixth best among senior centers. "He needs to get stronger,"
Gibbons said. "But he played well in the spring tournament last year, and the
thing I like about him most is he's very athletic. I think he'll help the team
out right away.  Roy Williams is a great teacher of big men, and Nick should
really improve at Kansas."
   Gibbons said that Kansas would try to fill the remaining two scholarships
with point guards. He said that Bobby Crawford from Houston was one of several
guards that Kansas was recruiting.
   Proud and B.J. Williams are expected to sign their letters of intent during
the early signing period November 11.

Posted to r.s.b.c. by Kansas Mary
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:59:36 GMT

In article <BvorKs.HK0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff)  
writes:
> I think Lou Henson should probably be funding the baseketball
> programs out of his own pocket.  He's gotten a lot of players from the 
> city and losing the public league will push Illinois further into
> mediocrity.

And reduce his generous support of the "Hair Club for Men"??  
Lemieux, he's not!

OD

> Jeff Smtih

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Final Four Venues (was: Re: Call for toughest arena votes)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:32:33 GMT

In article <70158@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)  
writes:
> Unfortunately, though, the NCAA not too long ago made some sort of 
> "executive decision" about Final Four Arena sizes, to the effect that
> only the big ones will be used in the future (can't remember what their
> seating requirement is, but it's something like 30,000+).  There are
> only about 10 or 11 facilities in the country which will be usable for
> upcoming FFs.  The Pit, regrettably, ain't one of them.

> ^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^

Well, as I understood their plans for the future, they'd continue
with the rotation system with 3 or 4 Domes, and then one "basketball"
stadium, and then start over.  Ex:	McNichols ("small"), HoosDome,
MetroDome, SuperDome, Charlotte ("small"), then 3 more Domes, then
the Meadowlands ("small").  Maybe this decision takes the small stadium
out of the loop.  And why they'd have the Final Four in/near New York
rather than a smaller city where it would be the "dominant" event is
anybody's guess (probably something green, and I don't mean the Celtics).

OD 

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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:34:14 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson



 It would be a small miracle for the Pac-10 to get 2 teams into the sweet
sixteen this season. Cal is probably the pick to win the conference but
I can't see them going far in the tourney. UCLA is more or less up in the
air but with a good draw might make it, ASU is a joke, OSU has an outside shot
to make the tourney but an even better chance of getting out quickly, and
Arizona is likely to be seeded lower than they have in quite some time. 


				gln
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Inside Sports Poll
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:53:57 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <69825@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

>1.  Michigan 
>2.  Kansas 
>3.  Indiana 
>4.  Duke 
  No surprises so far, except that Seton Hall is not up here.
>5.  Florida State 
>6.  Tulane 
  HELLO!  This must be their up and coming pick.  Now, I like Tulane a lot,
and I think they'll win their conference, but this is ridiculous!  Especially
since Louisville, a team that I think will give the Green Wave fits this year,
is not even mentioned in the top 25.  FSU is a good choice.
>7.  Seton Hall 
>8.  Memphis State 
>9.  Kentucky		Note - IS had UK in this same spot last year
>10. North Carolina 
>11. Arizona 

Sounds about right.
>12. UNLV 
>13. Iowa State 
>14. Michigan State

Three interesting choices.  UNLV will be very good this year, even if they
don't have a center.  The loss of H Waldman at PG might be an annoyance.
Plus their conference is weak, as always.  Iowa State is a big 8 contender
with all starters back.  And yet another vote for MSU, who Bball Digest has
at # 11. 
>15. Georgetown 
>16. Evansville
OK, this is getting silly.  The Aces are a good team with a great player
(Parrish Casebier), but better than Iowa or Cincy? No. 
>17. Iowa		
>18. Cincinnati
>19. Oklahoma
>20. New Mexico State
  NMS ahead of Wake & BYU? It is to laugh.  They played well in the tourney,
but not well enough to merit this ranking.
>21. Wake Forest
>22. Brigham Young
>23. Arkansas
>24. Minnesota
>25. George Washington

GW is an interesting choice.  I'm surprised that they stuck them ahead of
UMASS!!! (we do need to write in to all these sports mags and educate them
about proper punctuation), Temple and WVU.

>Other teams (called upset specials) expected to make the 26th-50th
>spots were:

They neglected to add a talented Florida team, and Southwestern La, a team
that will probably beat out New Orleans for the Sun Belt title.  Also 
Wisconsin.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
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From: sheth@cs.iastate.edu (Divyesh K sheth)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:05:19 GMT

jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:

>Iowa State always plays tough at Hilton Colesium in Ames. Last year, ISU
>knocked off 4 top-25 (at the time they played) teams at Hilton (Iowa, OSU, OU,
>and KU). Hilton is also a great place to watch a game. The students are given

And ofcourse the famous story about crowd noise when ISU was playing
OSU last year. Game was on line. Corey Williams of OSU (88% FT shooter)
was trying to shoot two free throws and he missed both to give ISU
the victory. Somebody said in post  game interview that he missed
because crowd was so loud that the whole Hilton was shaking!!!

D.Sheth

GO CYCLONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Basketball Digest: PAC-10 Predictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

By request, here are the predictions for the PAC-10 from Basketball Digest.
The author is Bob Cohn, if that means anything to you west coasters.

1. Arizona
2. Cal
3. Arizona State
4. UCLA
5. Oregon State
6. Stanford
7. USC
8. Oregon
9. Washington
10. Washington State

The author liked the quickness of Reeves & Stoudamire, and thought that
Rigdon could contribute as a good shooter.  He liked the sophomore class
of Cal, along with Kidd & Hendrick.  He obviously wrote this before the
big troubles at ASU, although he did mention the loss of Bennett, Robinson,
& Ronaldson.  He said the keys to UCLA's season are Petruska & o'Bannon.
He figures Haskin & McKinney to lead OSU.  
  In the bottom tier, Stanford depends on the performance of Brent Williams.
USC needs Chatman, Glenn & Boyd to pick up the slack.  Oregon & Washington
have had a lot of instability of late, but OU has Antoine Stoudamire and Wash.
has Manning & Pope to anchor a strong front line.  Washington State lost a lot
of players and was picked for the cellar.
  In the end, he said that Arizona will breeze to another conference title
in a greatly weakened PAC-10.


	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:30:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

In article <70158@hydra.gatech.EDU> Jeffrey N. Burch writes:

>Unfortunately, though, the NCAA not too long ago made some sort of 
>"executive decision" about Final Four Arena sizes, to the effect that
>only the big ones will be used in the future (can't remember what their
>seating requirement is, but it's something like 30,000+).  There are
>only about 10 or 11 facilities in the country which will be usable for
>upcoming FFs.  The Pit, regrettably, ain't one of them.

I don't know if it was as high as 30,000. If memory serves me correctly,
Charlotte Coliseum, site of the 1994 Final Four, holds only 24,000-28,000.
That arena, though, will probably be the smallest the NCAA will use anytime
soon.

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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting News Here and There
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:50:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <BvGy0L.K96@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Not to mention -- I think it's important that UK land a player
>	within the Lexington area.  Not since Mel Turpin/Leroy Byrd has
>	UK landed the best players from Lexington!  (I'm not counting Sean

From what I hear, there have been slight rumblings about this from
Kentucky fans.   There was a time when at least half of the squad was
from the state, and a lot of the rest were from nearby states.  On this
year's squad, the only Kentuckians are Ford and Harrison, and Harrison
plays hardly at all.

It's difficult to be too short with Pitino, considering how well he's 
done with what he had.  But there are those who'd like to see him pick 
up some in-staters.  If he lands Jason Osborne, great, but UK hasn't
faired too well against UofL in landing Louisvillians, with Winston
Bennett the only "recent" exception.  Rick wants to recruit nationally
which is fine, but I agree - he has loads of talent in his own back
yard, if he wants it.

>	Come to think of it -- I can't remember the last "world-class"
>	center who came to UK.  Perhaps the closest thing to one was
>	Sam Bowie.  But since, UK has tasted people like Rob Lock, Cedric
>	Jenkins, and the like.  Not bad players -- but hardly world-class.

I'd count Bowie and Turpin as the last world-class centers to play at
UK.   It appeared at first that LeRon Ellis had the makings of a WCC, but
he didn't pan out terribly well.  Perhaps it should be noted that the
Bowie/Turpin team was Kentucky's last to go to a Final Four.  A 
coincidence?

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From: bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: TOP RECRUIT TO U.OF CINCINNATI
Date: 4 Oct 1992 05:01:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) says:

>In article <1ad80mINN2e9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore) writes:
>|> 
>|> Local news reported tonight that Dontonio Wingfield has verbally 
>|> committed to the University of Cincinnati. Most recruiting lists
>|> have him listed in the top 5 or 10 in the nation. The Cincinnati
>|> Enquirer also reported yesterday that local prospect Damon Flint
>|> (another top 20-30 recruit) will commit around November 11. 
>|> Recently he visted UC and appears he is leaning toward staying
>|> home to play for the Bearcats. It was also reported that Kentucky 
>|> is no longer attempting to recuit Damon Flint.
>|>  
>|> Mr. Bearcat 
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>
>So Dontonio has an ACT/SAT score now. You can't make a paid campus visit
>unless you have one in hand.  I would assume he would want to make a 
>"paid" visit before committing.

Let me preface this by saying I don't know any more about NCAA rules than
anyone else this side of SYRACUSE, but it is my understanding reading the
article that Wingfield did not visit ANY school, he was on the UC campus
for a summer camp a while back (the Krieder camp??) and liked what he
saw. In reading the article, it sounded like Damon Flint did OFFICALLY
vist the campus, so I assume he did so under the propper NCAA conditions.
>
>Dontonio could verbally commit without a score but he would of course
>be subject to Prop 48 restrictions.

I believe Dontonio is scheduled for a SAT test on October 10. One other
intersting point, he or his coach stated that he does not plan on playing
more than 3 years (and liklely less) of college ball. I guess the NBA has
shown interest..????

Mr. Bearcat

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