From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:51:20 GMT
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In article <1992Oct9.132917.6850@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
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>Hey, Ray, if it's objectivity you want, why not start with yourself.
>Did you ever think that maybe Dierdorf is being somewhat objective
>with his comments about the Eagles?  He tore into them a few years
>ago for what he saw as cheap shots, as you mentioned.  But that was
>a few years ago.  The team has changed it's personality alot in the
>past few years.  Perhaps Dierdorf doesn't see the Eagles as that type
>of team anymore.  But you sit at home waiting for him to tear into
>your least favorite team so you can justify your biased opinions.

Dierdorf objective about the Eagles??!!  What show were you
watching!?  You seem to imply that Dierdorf is gushing over the Birds
because they've "changed their personality" from a few years ago and
now Dan can see their true virtues?  Bull.  He's still afraid of the
repercussion which might ensue if he criticizes them again, plain and
simple.  If it wasn't true, don't you think he could've found *one*
not nice thing to say about them on Monday??  I mean, they didn't play
a perfect game, he could've pointed out a mistake or two that they made.
Side note: it's funny how Eagle fans now claim that the've "changed
their personality" over the past few years (ie. after Buddy Ryan), yet
when they were doing all those dirty deeds, these same fans labeled 
them as clean, hard hits only.

>C'mon, you don't remember predicting to me that the Eagles were going
>to deliberately try to injur Michael Irvin and Emmit Smith in the 
>game at Veterans Stadium last year?  That sure was one hell of an
>objective prediction on your part, wasn't it?

Objectivity by me isn't the question, I'm not on national TV.  Yet,
what I say is more objective that Dierdorf, since I'm basing it on
interviews of Eagle players who routinely predicted knocking opposing
QBs out of games, not letting WRs go over the middle, etc.  These
interviews were clearly shown on local newscasts, yet a guy like Dierdorf
either missed them or chose to ignore them.  It's part of the preparation
for the game, that's what his job is.

>Where were these complaints about the MNF crew when they were foaming
>at the mouth over Dallas when they blewout the Redskins in the season
>opener?  And you want to complain about Dierdorf saying the Cowboys
>were lucky?   What about all the postings to this newsgroup from
>optomistic Cowboys fans stating that the Eagles were lucky to win the
>game 31-7?  That's real objective.

About the Cowboys/Redskins game, yes, he oversold the Cowboys victory,
no question about it.  He does that with EVERY winning team, EVERY
Monday night.  I stated that in my post, and it is embarassing that
a grown man has to do that for ratings.  Yet, why weren't there posts
after that game complaining about the announcers?  Because despite his
fawning over the winning team, he *DID* criticize certain plays or
decisions the Cowboys made in that game.  Why did the Eagles/Cowboys'
game generate SO many outcries about the announcers?  Because Dierdorf 
made it SO obvious of his infatuation with the Birds, because he didn't
criticize them at all, because he went out of his way to twist things
into Eagle virtues, that's why.  It's disgusting.  To tell you the
truth, I wasn't going to post anything about it, but then I saw a
plethora of posts and decided to clear up the situation for anyone who
might have forgotten the Dirty Waters incident of a few years' back.
About optimistic Cowboys fans stating the Eagles were lucky to win:
Ahhh, Joe, you're falling into the trap of sterotyping all Cowboys
fans based on one irrational post from a supposed Cowboys fan.  Most
other Cowboy fans, including me, disagreed with that guy altogether.

>I agree with you about what the announcers should and shouldn't
>do.  But if Dierdorf and crew were creaming their pants over your
>beloved Cowboys instead of the Eagles, you wouldn't be complaining
>now would you?

I would, and I did.  Like I said before, it's very embarassing to
see a supposedly objective, color analyst turning himself inside
out just to heap praise on one team.  It takes away from the
game for the viewer.  But, it also doesn't have any affect on 
what's happening on the field, which is the most important thing.



Ray       GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!