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From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Summary: Ecrasez l'Islam!
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:20:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp., Hopkinton Mass.

In article <1993Jan11.102422.16403@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
>In <ll0vppINNq63@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>Heres a more important question (for
>>all): do you really think these methods of punishment that the
>>fundamentalist interpretation of islam prescribes (cuting of hands,
>>whiping, stoning, etc) are really effective?

>It is not a matter of thinking that they are effective or not effective.
>Just compare the rate of crime in any country where you think that the
>law is effective with a country where you think that they apply the
>Islamic law as interpreted by fundamentalists, then tell us what you
>think.

I grew up in a town which was a mafia hide-away.  There was no crime
in that town, but that did not make the people who ran the town any
less criminal nor did it make their methods any less reprehensible.

Islam is just another mafia but in fact because Islam unlike the Mafia
systematically spreads abuse of women and non-Muslims, Islam is not
merely a criminal organization but rather represents a major crime
against humanity as Modern Civilized Westerners conceptualize
international law.

>Ahmed


-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: pnmideast@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Date: 03 Jan 93 23:07 PST
Subject: MUSLIM CONFERENCES ON APC
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Subject: MUSLIM CONFERENCES ON APC

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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:30:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1993Jan12.152829.27628@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
>Shahrokh Mortazavi writes:
>>but is that really the sort of 'effectiveness' that you can be proud of?
>
>  Certainly. The punishments fit the crimes and fewer innocent people are hurt.
		              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you havent in any convincing way demonstrated why cutting off a theif's
hand 'fits the crime'.  whos to say some other type of punishment cannot 
'fit the crime' equally effectively, without resorting to cutting off
peoples arms and limbs?   if you have some justification for this, please
present it.  im always ready and willing to learn.  but i suggest you
stay away from the eventual 'cuz quran says so...' response.

>Since when is capital
>punishment barbaric? What makes a punishment barbaric? Is it that it is
>effective?

once again, im the strongest proponent of punishing criminals to the
fullest extent.  im simply asking for the logic behind the 
nature of punishments chosen by islamic law.

>Personally, I would rather live in a state in which
>criminals are punished rather than released after a week for "prison
>overcrowding."

me to.  but taking islam literarily would just result in hospital overcrowding!
neither one is a good solution.

>  Barbaric is not the punishment of criminals, barbaric is the killing ...
>quarter of a million civilian men, women, children and elderly people by
>indiscriminate "carpet bombing" while calling their criminal dictator "not a
>target" after having supported him for two decades.

yes, bush and saddam both gravely mishandled the situation.  their approach
to solving the problem was barbaric.  and so is cutting off parts of 
peoples bodies for shoplifting.

>  This is incorrect. Saudi Arabia had a very low crime rate long before the
>inflow of money (actually a slightly lower crime rate.) 

probably so, and since you proclaim that saudi arabia is not an Islamic state,
then credit for the low crime rate shouldnt go to Islam law.

>  The fact is, the punishments work and they make entire nations feel
               ^^^^^
>secure at home or in the street.

so do others, thats the whole point.

>  Also, Somalia is not an Islamic state, and neither is Saudi Arabia. They are
>Muslim states until they actually apply Islam as is mandatory.

funny how when something's working it, the credit is somehow connected
islam, but when something's not working out, its because theyre not an
islamic state.  by the way, why is that after a milennia of trying,
this perfect islamic state proves so difficult to implement?

>Mazen Mokhtar

ps its *ok* to disagree
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Babak Sehari
Subject: EARTHQUAKES HIT TWO AREAS OF IRAN, CAUSE DAMAGE 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:07:44 GMT



 EARTHQUAKES HIT TWO AREAS OF IRAN, CAUSE DAMAGE 
 (Eds: Adds damage, detail, second quake) 
    NICOSIA, Jan 7, Reuter - Earthquakes shook two areas of Iran, causing
damage in a region in the south hit by a tremor in September, the Iranian news
agency IRNA said on Thursday. 
    A quake measuring 5.8 on the Richter scale jolted Firuzabad, 760 km (470
miles) south of Tehran and the wintering grounds of one of Iran's biggest
migrating tribes, the Qashqaeis, it said. 
    It quoted a local official as saying the quake, which struck at 2.21 a.m.
(2251 GMT Wednesday), inflicted ``significant material damage'' around
Firuzabad and the people were in dire need of food and fuel. 
    But he said no casualties had been reported so far, partly because most
people were living in tents since a September quake which killed one person and
destroyed 200 houses in the region. 
    Tehran Radio said six smaller aftershocks shook Firuzabad within two hours.
    IRNA, monitored in Nicosia, said another quake with a Richter force of 5.6
hit an area 600 km (370 miles) northeast of Tehran at 8.48 p.m. (1718 GMT) on
Wednesday. There were no report of any casualty or damage, it said. 
 REUTER MZ JP
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Naghdi bar SCI in 92 [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:52:25 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
To: sci-anon-poster 
Originator: smortaz@handel


Mash CherAgh Ali jAn,

I guess once again amoo delivered some "chAyeh jooshideh" [(C) MCA, 92] to
you! I could have sweared that I copied that quote from one of your postings 
but since you said it wasn't you I became worried about my own memory and
went over all the articles from Dec to Feb again. Here is the results which
confirms your denial; it also confirms my failing memory perhaps due to
GGZ dependency!


blah dfAA05169 dfAA05229 dfAA05304 dfAA17744 lfAA17744 qfAA17744 xfAA17744
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Quran and science
Date: 31 Jan 92 23:13:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Jan31.154225.8996@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu 
(Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

                   [parts deleted for brevity]

>What's your explanation to the following ridiculous signatures:

>>shahrokh i-apologize-from-the-heart-of-my-bottom mortazavi
>>shahrokh still-have-a-tendency-to-walk-on-four mortazavi.
>>shahrokh hell-season-ticket-holder mortazavi
>>shahrokh serve-me-hot-chocolate-in-hell mortazavi
>>shahrokh struck-by-lightning-twice-already mortazavi

see above, but whats yours:

>Seyyed.

give it up seyed.  ooops sorry, forgot the tashdeed, seYYed.

youve got it floored, but you sure dont realize that you're in neutral.

is it time to change social.culture.iranian to
hostile.culture.iranian???
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

shahrokh i'll-name-my-first-ulcer-after-seyyed mortazavi

blah dfAA05169 dfAA05229 dfAA05304 dfAA17744 lfAA17744 qfAA17744 xfAA17744


so MCA jAn amoo ows you one.

maghrooz nabAsheed,

amoo
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Bush To Meet With King Fahd On Friday In Jiddah
Followup-To: poster
Originator: sehari@bart.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:51:24 GMT

12/29 (DJ) Bush To Meet With King Fahd On Friday In Jiddah

    MANAMA -DJ- President Bush will stop over in Saudi Arabia on Friday
for a meeting with King Fahd, Gulf-based U.S. diplomats said Tuesday.
    They said Bush will spend ''a few hours'' in the Saudi Red Sea port
city of Jiddah after spending New Year's Eve with U.S. forces in
Somalia.
    Since its inception in the early 1900s, Saudi Arabia has been the
staunchest friend and ally of the United States in the Arab World. Bush
and Fahd fostered this and crowned it with the U.S.-led multinational
Desert Storm Operation that evicted Saddam Hussein's occupation forces
from neighboring Kuwait.
    Inspired by Saudi Arabia's pro-U.S. tendencies, the Saudi-led Gulf
Cooperation Council in its recent summit conference paid high tribute to
Bush for his ''honorable and heroic'' support for the Arab countries of
the region.
    The 11-year-old GCC is an economic integration and military defense
pact grouping Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain,
Oman and Qatar.
     8:23 AM
                                 -END-
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Standard disclaimer:

     Precaution is advised in reading the news postings.
     ___________________________________________________


Please, keep in mind that this news, like any other news, might not
be the whole truth.  It is just reported by news gathering agencies,
which have privilege of transmitting news on the news wires.  So what
follows, might or might not be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth.  Then again, it might be.  Here, I do not claim either.
I just would like to share with you, the articles that has been collected
on the news wires.

Make your own judgment regarding it's truth or falsehood.  If you believe
that a story does not make sense to you, please share your concerns with
others in the net, by posting them.

Thank you, for your informed readings.

                    With highest regards,
                         Babak   Sehari.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Egypt to develop disputed Sudan border area 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:52:59 GMT


	CAIRO, Egypt (UPI) -- Egypt, in a move likely to further strain
relations with Sudan, has allocated $15 million to develop the disputed
Halayeb border area, the official Al Akhbar newspaper reported Tuesday.
	The Egyptian Urbanization Agency allocated the funds to build urban
centers in the Halayeb, a largely empty desert triangle on the Red Sea
administered by Sudan but officially part of Egypt.
	Cairo allowed the Sudanese administration of Halayeb for the nearly
100 years since their border was established, but moved troops into the
region last month amid growing tensions with Khartoum.
	The rivalry has worsened in recent years with Sudan's growing
alliance with Iran, which Egypt accuses of training, arming and
financing militants and their violent pro-fundamentalist campaigns in
Egypt and other countries.
	The 4-year-old Muslim regime in Khartoum angered Cairo last week by
seizing control of more than a dozen Egyptian-run schools in Sudan,
apparently in retaliation for Egypt's military move last month into the
Halayeb.
	The Halayeb is a triangle-shaped coastal area with its southern base
along the 22nd parallel, which was established in an 1898 pact as the
border between Egypt and Sudan. But because the Halayeb was then, and
still is, inhabited by Sudanese tribes, Egypt agreed to allow Sudan to
administer the Halayeb.
	Khartoum last week filed a complaint over the matter with the United
Nations.


"Copyright 1993 by <UPI/Newsbytes>
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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER LEAVES FOR EUROPE TOUR
Date: 10 Jan 1993 08:44:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <babak.726635301@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu> Babak Sehari writes:
>
> IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER LEAVES FOR EUROPE TOUR 

now *there's* a candidate for an aids test upon returning to iran!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:11436 soc.culture.arabic:6510
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:10:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1993Jan12.112543.7111@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
>In <ll3nbaINNp6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>
>>yet you can pay just about any islamic revolutionary guard to get you a
>>few bottles of good cuervo, tapes of debbi does dallas parts i, ii & iii;

>
>DO you expect some one to believe you??!!

> 049:6. O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a 
> report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in 
> ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done.

  10:02 (saturdays). A-say, A-say, wait a cutton pickin minute boy!

					- the rooster in bugs bunny show

are you calling me a liar!?  apparently you dont know much about iran and
its famous pAsdArs.  three of them *delivered* the alchoholic beverages
to my cousins wedding! 

>The crime rate in an Islamic fundamentalistic, etc., etc. country is
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>less not because people are afraid of hard penalties, but because they
 ^^^^^++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>are concious of the One who has more serious measures. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

in that case, why have them then!

>However, I believe that we think too differently, and not only that but

speaks volumes for the vast programmability potential of the wetware 
in our skulls, doesnt it...

>also I feel that the way you think is not logical. 
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

thats ok, we're allowed to have different definition of what constititues
logical thinking.  its only logical.
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: please post asap. thanks. [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:19:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1993Jan9.013209.9398@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:

>: 
>: postchiyeh mahalleh
>
>Keep up the good spirit (ba hal hasty).
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

thanks for the kind words, vali bAhAl *toh* hasti fereshteh joon!  or is it
afsar today?  you know, you shouldnt vacillate so much between sexes, people 
may think youre a hermaphrodite or something!
 
>Haji

your pal,

  /  .     | : . /
(_)_,_     |_,_9_)  [c, haji 1993]
   :    /        

(the good coyote)


ps a chello kabob sounds great!  you should come to the next sci-lunch
gathering that mack organizes...
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: please post asap. thanks. [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:38:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel


>Subject: please post asap. thanks. [sci-anon-poster]
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
just a clarification, in case i misled anyone:  i dont actually
sit here and manually post this stuff one by one!  it
is done automatically...

at your service,

postchiyeh mahalleh
From: Mohamad Ebrahimi <ebrahim@ee.UManitoba.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Report: US insists Pakistan ... [sci-poster]
Date: 9 Jan 1993 23:16:36 GMT
Organization: SCI Friends & Family, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel



>From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
>Subject: Report: U.S. insists Pakistan prove it's not backing terrorists 
>Message-ID: <1993Jan9.183119.11643@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>


>	ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- The United States has given Pakistain 180
>days to prove it is not promoting international terrorism, or else face
>weapons and trade sanctions, a report in Islamabad said Saturday.

     Wow! Pure American style justice! " YOU are guilty, until YOU prove
     yourself innocent"!

     But, after all, what can one expect from a government who shoots down
     a civilian airliner, and then treats the commander of the warship as
     a hero by giving honor medal to him?!


Mohammad

 
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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Lotfan! 4.0 Iranian College Student Told to Leave School!!! [sci-poster]
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:53:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
Distribution: world
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In article <ll36h8INNt28@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> lizann@netcom.com (Liz Martin) writes:

one other idea is to write Amir, the famous (and awfully rich) iranian
fashion designer.  i heard on tv that he gives scholarships to needy 
iranian students.  he's based in los angeles, but im not sure how you 
should go about contacting him.

good luck, and tell him not to lose hope.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mithra@iran.unet.com (Mithra Lahsaie)
Subject: Re: Lotfan! 4.0 Iranian College Student Told to Leave School!!! [sci-poster]
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:13:52 GMT

In article <ll4243INN1el@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>In article <ll36h8INNt28@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> lizann@netcom.com (Liz Martin) writes:
>
>one other idea is to write Amir, the famous (and awfully rich) iranian
                            ^^^^

I believe you mean Bijan!

>fashion designer.  i heard on tv that he gives scholarships to needy 
>iranian students.  he's based in los angeles, but im not sure how you 
>should go about contacting him.
>
>good luck, and tell him not to lose hope.


this is my signature
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:28:06 GMT


> Naghmeh = tune                  Ex: Bamdad Emroz Naghmeh Parandegan
>  Nasib = 

>Buzzzzzz! nasib and naghmeh are arabic. either arabic borrowed from another
>root word or pure arabic altogether. not sure yet. nice try though.

Thank you for your point Zafar.  Nasib is probably Arabic, I think you
are right on that.  It is in the same waight as "Faiel", therefore it is
Arabic.

However, Naghmeh should be pure Persian.  It is a noun and in many poems
you might encounter with this word.  Also many Iranian girls have this name.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture,afghanistan