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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:13:41 EDT
From:         Jeffrey R Kell <JEFF@UTCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Degree Audit Software

They key issue between developing something in-house versus packaged software
is (obviously, but often under-researched) how well it fits your requirements.
You cannot realistically expect your degree programs to conform to whatever
predefined templates are available with a third-party package, you must find
a package that fits YOUR environment, or else develop your own.

If your catalog requirements are simplistic and can be defined with simple list
operations (eg, take a, b, c; select x courses from a, b, c...; etc) then you
face a relatively simple task.  If, however, you have complex interactions
between requirements, pre- and co-requisite structures, ill-defined elements
within requirements (eg, select from "humanities"/"fine arts"/"natural science"
etc., which are volatile sets of courses) and other complications you may have
to develop your own system to insure it will fulfill your needs.

We ended up developing our own system.  It is largely table driven, with data
exceptions available by student or by degree, but it also has the capability
for actual hard-coded exits by degree/catalog year at any point in the
processing cycle.  This allows us the flexibility of coding any arbitrary (and
believe me, some of them are QUITE arbitrary!) requirement that doesn't happen
to fit into a neat, elegant table structure.

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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:20:00 MST
From:         Clarke Whitehead <TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Development/Alumni systems information
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In a previous message Robert Paterson said:

> Pacific Lutheran University is begining to investigate a new
> Development/Alumni system. We current run a stand along home grown system.
> We have 2 potential directions we could go. The primary, long term solution
> would be a VAX/VMS solution. A short term solution might be something to
> run on a stand alone SUN running UNIX.

and ...

> Please reply with product, platforms, preformance and problems to Robert
> Paterson, (Paterson_R@PLU.Bitnet).

We also are in the process of selecting a system for Alumni/Development
records, and it appears that our database size and platform are somewhat
similar.  We have a VAX/VMS system, but are willing to consider other
platforms including a client/server based system running on a Novell network.

The following is a short list of potential vendors (and their product) that
I have identified:

Information Associate, Inc.	-	ADS (Alumni Development System)
JSI FundRaising Systems, Inc.	-	AlmaMater
Softrek				-	PledgeMaker
Echo Consulting Services, Inc.	-	Echo
Metafile Information Systems	-	Results/PLUS
University Systems Technology	-	Iowa State University System
Campagne Associates, Ltd.	-	Commtact
Blackbaud			-	The Raiser's Edge
Datatel				-	Benefactor
Master Software Corp.		-	Fund-Master
Impact Systems			-	FUNDRAISER
The Iowa System			-	The Iowa System
Champlain Software, Inc.	-	Prophecy

This list is in no particular order.  If anyone has comments regarding
these or other products, it would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I have heard that there is an interest-group list for fund raisers
on Internet (possibly called "FUNDLIST"), but I haven't been able to
locate it.  Can anyone tell me where I can find such a list?

	Thanks in advance,
		Clarke W. Whitehead
		Director of Annual Fund/Information Systems
		Weber State University
		Ogden, UT  84401-1008
		TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:23:41 +0500
From:         "D. Scott Dittman" <sdittman@LIBERTY.UC.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: seals
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Mara --

We do not send official transcripts without an embossed seal.  I am
beginning the process of exploring digitized signature and seal printed by
laser printer.

We provide our students with an unofficial copy oftheir record at the
beginning of each term.  We will give a student an official transcript and
hand stamp it with "Official transcript issued to student.  This is a red
ink stamp."

No charge for any transcripts.


 On Tue, 1 Sep 1992, Mara P. Raptis wrote:

> I would like to know the following information:
>
> 1.  Do any colleges or universities send official transcripts **without**
>     an (embossed) seal?
>
> 2.  do any colleges or universities give official transcripts directly to
>     the student?
> if there are any procedures that you have had success with regarding this
> topic i would appreciate your response.
>
> mara P. raptis
> assistant registrar
> hunter college - city university of new york



Scott Dittman                    email: sdittman@wlu.edu
University Registrar             talk: (703)463-8455   fax: (703)463-8024
Washington and Lee University    snail mail:  Lexington Virginia 24450
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:46:50 CDT
From:         Susan Hall <DP$$@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Student access systems survey - Information Pool

> In article <19920902.090457.JHOLCOMB@GTRI01>, "Holcombe, John"
> <JHOLCOMB@GTRI01.BITNET> says:
>
> (...)
> >To get a copy of the information pool, send the message GET CRIP001 TEXT
> >to LISTSERV at NDSUVM1.  This can be in a one line e-mail message, or in
> >the case of a VM/CMS system, the following command:
>
> >       tell listserv at ndsuvm1 get crip001 text
>
> This command may only be issued by e-mail subscribers to CUMREC-L since
> its file "permissions" are marked PRV.  This means that if you are
> reading this posting through a News system and are not in subscriber
> list for cumrec-l@ndsuvm1 (aka vm1.nodak.edu), your request for this
> file will be rejected.
>
> /Pete Weiss - Penn State U - pmw1@psuvm.psu.edu
From: NICKM@PSC.PLYMOUTH.EDU (Nick Mathis)
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tell listserv at ndsuvm1 get crip001 text
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:27:00 CST
From:         Kriss Davis <CCFXKPD@UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Development/Alumni systems information

I have FUNDLIST list located on server JHUVM.  My list of LISTs
is a bit old, so it may not exist anymore.

Kriss Davis, U of C.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:59:51 EDT
From:         Philip L Philips <PHILIP@MITVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Smart Card Info Request

There is a company called Security Dynamics Inc., 1 Alewife Center,
Cambridge, MA 02140, (617) 547-7821, Charles R. Stuckey, President, that has
a "smart card".  A business card size card that creates a random generated
number.  The software installed on the mainframe also generates a number
that within some range of variables corresponds with the one on the card.

I have seen it used, I don't know how extensively it is being used by
the Institute.  We looked into possibly using it on an AS400 but they
are still working on the code for the AS400.

There is additional information in a periodical called ISPNews, INFOSecurity
Products News that in their May/June 1992 edition had considerable information
on "smart cards" as well as other companies that market 'smart cards".

The other companies listed are:

Cardkey Systems, 101 W. Cochran St., Simi Valley, Ca 93065 (805) 522-5555
Datamedia Corp, 20 Tranfaglia Sq., Nashua. NH 03036 (603) 886-1576
Personal Computer Card Corp. 5015 So. Florida Ave., Lakeland, FL 33813
                                                  (813) 644-5026
Syscon Corp., 1000 Thomas Jefferson St. N.W., Washington, DC 20007,
                                                  (202) 342-4988

Hope this information will be usefull.......

- Philip L. Philips  PHILIP@MITVMC.MIT.EDU  (617) 981-2372  FAX (617) 981-2025
      Masssachusetts Institute of Technology, Lexington, MA U.S.A.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:00:06 EDT
From:         Dick Farrell <RJF80@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Smart Card Info Request

Try calling: Electronic Strategies Assoc.
3145 Lanier Beach South Road
Cumming GA 30131
(706) 781-5007

The President is Paul F. Coenen, who did a lot of the developmental and early
production work on the smart-cards.  He's supposed to be pretty impressive.


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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:19:15 -0800
From:         Admission Office <admission_office@MAILLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Folder Labels

                      Folder Labels
Greetings.

At the University of California, Berkeley, we print folder labels with
barcodes for all undergraduate applications (30,000).  We WERE using a Moore
Business Solutions setup which included software and a specially
configured laser printer(8ppm).  The vendor no longer supports or services
the software or hardware and we are developing a new way to print the labels.


We have been able to format the labels with standard FoxPro and HP PCL5
commands, and are currently printing the labels with a HPIIIsi.  We have our
doubts about using the HPIIIsi and are considering an OTC Model 5 continuous
form laser printer.  The OTC printer accepts HP font cartridges and soft
fonts with no problem, as well as all the PCL5 commands we were using with
the HPIIIsi.

Does anyone have experience with continous form laser printers?

Do the continuous form laser printers really take off the shelf labels stock,
or must you continue to use the special laser or thermal stock?

Does anyone have experience with thermal transfer printer?

Does anyone use a HPIIIsi to print lots of label stock?

Your comments would be greatly appreciated.  Thank You.

Tim Heidinger
System Analyst, Office of Undergraduate Admission
University of California, Berkeley
110 Sproul Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Tel: 510/642-4740
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:04:56 EDT
From:         "Holcombe, John" <JHOLCOMB@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Student access systems survey - Information Pool

The results of the "Student Access Systems Survey" posted to CUMREC-L
in July are now available as Information Pool CRIP001.  The abstract
is as follows:
---
This Information Pool contains the results of a survey of schools with
"student access systems" - i.e.  computerized systems which enable
students to access their own confidential student data using a
terminal, workstation, or personal computer.  Information collected
includes inquiry and update functions available, access methods, and
security details.  The survey (which is included in the information
pool) was posted to CUMREC-L in July, 1992.  A similar survey was
posted in September, 1991.  The initial survey was done in June, 1990
by Gerry Bernbom of Indiana University.  Information from the results
of the 1991 and 1992 surveys is included if no new information was
received.
---
Minor updates have been made to the information for Georgia Tech and
University of Idaho.  Ball State, Brigham Young, and Plymouth State
College are new additions; this makes a total of 18 schools in the
survey.

To get a copy of the information pool, send the message GET CRIP001 TEXT
to LISTSERV at NDSUVM1.  This can be in a one line e-mail message, or in
the case of a VM/CMS system, the following command:

       tell listserv at ndsuvm1 get crip001 text

The file will then be sent to you within a few minutes.  Thanks to
those who responded to the survey.  Please let me know of any corrections
or additions.

John Holcombe
Georgia Institute of Technology
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:42:04 EDT
From:         "Thomas G. James" <JAMES@FSUAVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Smart Card Info Request

The State of Florida is sponsoring a government technology conference and is lo
oking for anyone who might have information on uses of smart card (chip) techno
logy in the US.  It seems much (most) of the work going on in this area is taki
ng place outside of the US.  The organizers also seek to identify someone to be
 on a panel discussion of card technology.  I'll be on the panel, along with Bi
ll Norwood of Seminole ACCESS card fame, but we're using conventional mag strip
e technology here at FSU.  Any tips would be appreciated....thanks, T. James, F
lorida State University
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:53:42 EDT
From:         "Mara P. Raptis" <MARRE@HUNTER.BITNET>
Subject:      seals

I would like to know the following information:

1.  Do any colleges or universities send official transcripts **without**
    an (embossed) seal?

2.  do any colleges or universities give official transcripts directly to
    the student?
if there are any procedures that you have had success with regarding this
topic i would appreciate your response.

mara P. raptis
assistant registrar
hunter college - city university of new york
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:51:53 PDT
From:         "Patrick McNulty Registrar's Office 893-41"
              <RG00PSM@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      AT&T VOICE RESPONSE EQUIPMENT

*** Reply to note of 08/27/92 11:04

We too are happy with Syntellect as a vendor.  We have been registering
about 18000 students on 36 lines since Spring 91.  Their user interface
permits us to add other applications, such as reading students their grades
for current and past terms, without needing further vendor assistance.

Patrick McNulty          (805) 893-4165
Asst. Registrar, Systems Development
Ofc. of the Registrar, UC Santa Barbara,
Santa Barbara, CA, 93106
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:29:52 ADT
From:         DEG@UNB.CA
Subject:      Re: Development/Alumni systems information
              26 Aug 1992 11:20:00 MST from <TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU>

On  Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:20:00 MST  Clarke Whitehead <TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.
WEBER.EDU> writes:
>
Yes FUNDLIST is alive and well at "FUNDLIST@JHUVM.BITNET"
"list for the discussion of university fund raising issues"
normal subscibe commands are needed since it is not a news group
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a very nice list very low noise level average about a message a day.
> Also, I have heard that there is an interest-group list for fund
> raisers on Internet (possibly called "FUNDLIST"), but I haven't been
> able to locate it.  Can anyone tell me where I can find such a list?
>
> 	Thanks in advance,
> 		Clarke W. Whitehead
> 		Director of Annual Fund/Information Systems
> 		Weber State University
> 		Ogden, UT  84401-1008
> 		TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:00:16 PST
From:         Glynis Hickey <GWH@UCBDO1.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Development/Alumni systems information
X-To:         CUMREC-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

In response to Robert Paterson:

UC Berkeley is also in the process of selecting an alumni/development
system to replace our current home-grown, mainframe database.  We are
currently considering several options, including:

    1.  a package
        (we are considering many of the systems mentioned by Clarke
        Whitehead in his message)
    2.  a custom-written system
    3.  a combination of the above

In our recently released request for proposal, we did not state any
platform or vendor preference for the hardware.  We did state a
preference for a relational, client-server, distributed solution.
Our current database tracks approximately 500,000 profiles, and grows
at a rate of 10% a year.

I would be happy to discuss our replacement effort with anyone that
is interested.

Glynis Hickey






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Glynis Hickey                      INTERNET:  gwh@ucbdo1.Berkeley.EDU
Manager of External Systems        PHONE:     (510) 642-0726
University Relations               FAX:       (510) 643-6130
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:12:26 EST
From:         Rick Pettinger <RXP7607@RITVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Releasing Student Data
              26 Aug 1992 12:37:15 LCL from <Michael_Yee.SM_BLDG_800@CSUSM.EDU>

At Rochester Institute of Technology, ad-hoc reporting of student data
is generally handled by the Registrar's office (although various other
offices eg. Admissions/Alumni/Fin Aid/Bursar also handle ad-hoc requests).

We require that all requests be written and include a statement from the
requestor identifying how the list/labels/data will be used.  We do not
fulfill requests from persons/agencies outside of the Institute (except
as required by law); nor do we fulfill requests from students or student
groups - unless co-signed by a faculty/staff advisor.

There is no charge for ad-hoc reports.

Student data extract files >>> Yes to some of our regular customers.
create data extracts for some of our regular "customers".
We are in the process of moving our student data into a database managed
environment, where authorized users will be allowed to create their own
ad-hoc queries,on-line.

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:08:37 CST
From:         Bill Chapman <BILLC@HOUSING.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Relational Database Choice

> Date:          Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:26:39 CST
> From:          Slemo Warigon <SW5540%ETSUADMN.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

> Which of these relational database packages are most productive and
> user-friendly: R:Base, Paradox, Alpha Four, Quartz?
>
> We've Paradox and it works great, but its table connections lack
> flexibility (achieved only thru multi-forms). Perhaps I'm wrong, but
> having used R:Base I know how easy tables can be connected with R:Base
> as oppossed to what I've seen with Paradox. Paradox works well with the
> ObjectVision we have, and that is the bright side of it.

Strange.....   Our experience was just the opposite.  We had R:Base
applications and are converting them to Paradox for the simplicity
of use, additional capabilities (including the super power of multi-
table queries), and greater level of support.

One you haven't mentioned is Oracle.  Our mainframe system is being
replaced by an Oracle-based system, and we are experimenting with
Oracle-PC so we will be able to interface with that system whenever
it gets in place.  Oracle requires much of your computing resource,
e.g., 8 Meg RAM, 40 Meg hard disk, etc., but appears, in our environment,
to be the long-range choice.

--
Bill Chapman              | {601) 325-2042              | Fax: 325-3299
BillC@Housing.MsState.Edu | 103 Lee Hall - Box 1262     |
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:52:22 CST
From:         Bill Chapman <BILLC@HOUSING.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Relational Database Choice

> Date:          Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:23:26 CST
> From:          Slemo Warigon <SW5540%ETSUADMN.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

> On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:08:37 CST Bill Chapman said:
> >
> >Strange.....   Our experience was just the opposite.  We had R:Base
> >applications and are converting them to Paradox for the simplicity
> >of use, additional capabilities (including the super power of multi-
> >table queries), and greater level of support.
> >
> >--
>
> Now that's really very interesting! Still, tell me two things, Bill:
>
>     1) How much easier and flexible is it to connect database tables in
>        Paradox as oppossed to R:Base?

The way we use it is through the query feature (ASK) of paradox.
Just check the columns you want included in the joined table from
each of the source tables, and, voila!, the connected table.

>
>     2) Which of the two offers is packaged complete with SQL feature and
>        suited for use on a stand-alone PC?

With our university site license on all Borland products, we got the
SQL package with paradox.  With Borland's VROOM, a 640K PC is all that
is really necessary, but it takes advantage of extra features and
networks, if you have them.

We are using the SQL as the means of transition from Paradox to Oracle.
Once users learn how to make queries on our paradox system, they should
be able to make them on Oracle.

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BillC@Housing.MsState.Edu | 103 Lee Hall - Box 1262     |
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