HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jsegal@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Jonathan Segal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:43:29
Organization: The antithesis of chaos.
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In-reply-to: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com's message of 14 Sep 92 21:56:59 GMT

>>>>> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
>>I've been saying this for 3 years.  Dump Cofer.  We won't get to Superbowl
>>with him there.  Think Seifert's on the net?
 >>-----
 > Nope....DaLuiso was picked up off waivers by the Broncos.  He is
 > regularly booming kickoffs into (or out of) the end zone, and may be
 > used on long field goals.  David Treadwell still does the rest of the
 > kicking.
 >  
 > Jim McMaster

I think Norwood's still available.  He would have hit the 47 yard
field goal (on grass, of course) in the waning seconds.  Or wait,
would he have been wide right too...?

Still bitter over XXV...

--
"I don't know, I feel a Void at the center of my being."| -JAS
"What kind of Void?" "Well, an empty void." - W. Allen  | Jonathan A. Segal
An aspiring bridge player                           jsegal@cogsci.berkeley.edu
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Roger Staubach's last play
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:20:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

In article <88381@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>I've heard "the last play that Roger Staubach" made referred to many times
>(both here on the net and once during the MNF game). Okay, so what exactly
>was this??  Why was it a big deal???  I wasn't into football (yeah, hard to
>believe that there are folks like this out there) back then.

Staubach threw his last pass to a lineman, Herb Scott I believe.  I
think Dallas also lost that game.

Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: neierka@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kent A. Neier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:40:03 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Sep15.102031.1@cua.edu> 50zhouh@cua.edu writes:
> Last week I posted one sentence saying I hate these MNF announcers.
> This time I am saying it again!
> 
> Just give you an example of their comments on the last two minutes of
> Miami vs Cleveland game:
> 
> The time: 1:31 minute left in the fourth quarter.
> The score: Miami leads by 3 points.
> Time out left: Miami 3, Cleveland 1.
> The situation: Cleveland at Miami's two yard line, first and goal.
>                Don Shula took a time out.
> 
> From there on, I almost heard nothing but them saying how great Shula
> was by taking the time out, and no other coach in the league would
> have done that in that situation.
> 
> Give me a break!  It appeared obvious to everybody.  Miami had 3 time
> outs left.  In any event (whether Cleveland scored or not), they should
> take a time out right away.  Do I need to explain?
> 
> Bo

There were a couple of things that I can remember as VERY irritating last
night (above and beyond your example).  One was the inane Michael Jackson
remarks.  I guess NBC really started a bad trend with their music video/
olympic games.  Now every network has got to try it.  Another was the
great coverage given to the Reggie Roby injury.  I know I may be flamed for  
this, but couldn't we have seen the injury just once?  Was the AT&T sports
science piece really that important?

And finally, big congratulations for Al's horse winning a race.  Sort of
goes beyond shameless publicity don't you think?  What if Dan got arrested
during the week?  Would the MNF guys show the jailing pictures too?

Just spouting off,
Kent
neierka@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Bengals uniforms
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:54:15 GMT

Carl H. Koontz (ckoontz@RDXSUN40.AUD.ALCATEL.COM) wrote:
: Does anybody know why the Cincinnati Bengals have started wearing
: white jerseys at Riverfront?  Is this a Dave Shula original?

No, that's the way Daddy does it.  Next thing you know, the Bengals
will be wearing aqua pants.  :^)
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Giants' problems (analysis)
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:24:07 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

Ray Handley lies.

The "new look" Giants turned out to be the Giants of old. The old Giants could
play power smash-mouth running football, with extra TEs and a good blocking
fullback. 

So Handley's new look is to spread out the field with extra WRs (decoys) to
give the running backs the holes. 

There's one big problem, Ray - problem # 1.

*No* team respects the Giants' passing game. Period. Without that big deep
threat at WR, the opponents are playing the Giants the same way. Therefore,
with the extra WRs, you have less Giants blocking (for either the pass or the
run) resulting in more sacks and hurries and a less-effective running game.

Problem number 2 is at QB. One has to admit that Simms showed his accuracy has
dropped considerably. Simms stats in the game are deceiving. I counted at least
5 passes that the Simms of old would have hit. I guess Handley is right about
one thing, [said with teeth together] Hoss should be starting. However, we do
need either Brown or Graham to develop quickly.

Problem number 3 is the defensive strategy. Rust's wait-and-see-and-then-react
style is questionable. The offensive players gain too much yardage before the
Giants D can react. If the Giants D had speed, then maybe.  LT said after the
game Sunday that although they are trying this new style, it goes against the
aggressive Belichick/Parcells style that they have used for the last ~10 years.
LT looked lost and Banks was no where to be found. (eg. Rathman with 3 TDs)

Ray has been preparing for the 9ers for 6 weeks - did it take that long to come
up with _that_ game plan? Where's Derek Brown? Where's the pass in the seam to
a TE - the best pass that Simms throws? And how come I can't hear an announcer
describe a Giant play as a "beautifully designed" play - why is it always the
other guy?

It appears that the talent is there, it's just not utilized.
---
         Larry Simmons                           larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology          ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine    ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me
From: zucker@raid.dell.com (Brian Zucker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:57:34 GMT
Reply-To: zucker@raid.UUCP (Brian Zucker)
Distribution: na
Organization: Dell Computer Co

In article <1992Sep15.160425.16650@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ded@aplcen (nod sivad) writes:
>>Sorry man.  The Saints [aren't] that stupid.  They put him [a kicker] on their 
>>developmental squad.
>
>I've never heard of one team raiding another's developmental squad.  Perhaps
>there's some sort of gentlemen's agreement in operation here.  But
>there is nothing to prevent it.  If some team "develops" an urgent
>need for a kicker don't be surprised if you lose this guy.
>

As of today, the Saints have placed Floyd Turner WR on IR due to a broken
leg and activated Blanchard from the developmental squad.

Brian
--
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who has got the toughest schedule - a repost.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:58:54 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Here is a statistical help at figuring out which team has
'suffered' the most from the draw.

Based on the 1991 results of NON DIVISIONAL OPPONENTS
-----------------------------------------------------

Team		in '91		Opp.rec		%

1.Denver	12-4		81-47		0.633
2.Washington	14-2		79-49		0.617
3.Kansas city	10-6		75-53		0.586
4.Dallas	10-6		74-54		0.578
5.Buffalo	13-3		73-55		0.570
  Detroit	11-5		73-55		0.570
  Raiders	9-7		73-55		0.570
8.New Orleans	10-6		89-71		0.556
9.Philadelphia	10-6		71-57		0.555
10.Chicago	11-5		67-61		0.523
   Miami	8-8		67-61		0.523
   Seattle	7-9		67-61		0.523
13.Houston	11-5		83-77		0.519
14.Giants	8-8		66-62		0.516
   Jets		8-8		66-62		0.516   !!!
16.Atlanta	10-6		82-78		0.513
17.San Fran'co	10-6		80-80		0.500
   Minnesota    8-8		64-64		0.500
19.Pittsburgh	7-9		78-82		0.488
20.Cleveland	6-10		75-85		0.469
   New England	6-10		60-68		0.469
22.Rams		3-13		73-87		0.456
23.Green Bay	4-12		58-70		0.453
24.Cincinnati	3-13		70-90		0.438
25.Tampa Bay	3-13		47-81		0.367
26.Phoneix	4-12		45-83		0.352
27.Indianapolis 1-15		42-86		0.328
28.San Diego	4-12		36-92		0.281


Note: AFC Central and NFC West teams play 10 games out of division.
Others 8 games out of division.

Have an enjoyable season,
bye,


************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian    GO BREWERS - BULLS -93  - HAIL 'SKINS

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
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From: bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Niner's look good (IMHO)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:24:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.203008.5524@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:

>Yes, the Giants had better wake up really fast, or they are in for a
>VERY long season.
>
>Now lets all chime in together Giants fans. HANDLEY MUST GO!!!!!!
>HANDLEY MUST GO!!!!!!  HANDLEY MUST GO!!!!!!
>

Handley's gotta go, all right, but I'm surprised that more folks aren't 
demanding that Rod Rust begone, too. Were we Pats fans glad to see him leave
town! No coincidence that the Pats went from 1-15 under Rust to 6-10 under
coach Mac. Yeah, I know he's not the head coach at NY, but he shouldn't be
on the staff at all. Who preceded him? 

Bruce Smith
From: wilkins@scubed.com (Darin Wilkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Player Status: Brooks (WR - IND)
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:17:56 GMT
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

In article <BuBy05.B7L@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>In article <19920909.115143.969@almaden.ibm.com>, mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM writes...
>>What is Brooks status?  He had no stats on Sunday.  I have not heard
>>that he is hurt.

>From what I read in the papers I believe that in the final roster cut 
>Brooks did not make the team. Someone can confirm or deny this, cause i'm
>not ty positive.

He did make the final cut and is (I think) 1 of the Colts' starting WR.

Prior to the first game he was listed on the official league injury
report as 'questionable' (50-50 chance of playing) because of an ankle
injury.  I assume he did not play because of the injury.
From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Joe Montana and other QB's
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 04 Sep 92  11:05:01

In a message of <Sep 03 11:58>, Live Fast, Die Young! writes:

First on your "name":  Live Fast, Die Young

I really don't wish Steve Young to die -- I just wish he would have a
semipainful career ending injury.  :-)

 >      Does everyone rememebr how Roger Starbaugh(sp) went out of the
 >game.....with a pass to his own lineman and 20 flags thrown in his face.  

It's been a while but I was a Cowboy fan at the time.  As I recall the pass
was indeed completed to a lineman but the lineman was not the intended
receiver.  The lineman happened to step into the pass at the wrong time.  Of
course a pass that a lineman can catch is not a great pass -- but I don't
think it was quite the way you stated it.   I could be wrong, though.

 >        alot of people will remember this incident of him not allowing the
 >younger generation to play,

People who look at it this way are not true admirers of Joe Montana.  I have a 
great deal of respect for Joe and his drive to come back to the game to which 
he has already given so much.  I would be very disappointed to see him give up 
when there was a chance of him coming back.  I'd take Joe Montana operating at 
80% of capacity over *ANY* other QB in the league right now.  He is damned
good and as others have pointed out his mind his one of his biggest assets.

 >doesn't he just go out of the game gracefully instead of trying to make an 
 >old timers comeback.

Perhaps because he isn't an old timer.
 
 >If he is remembered for what he has been doing the last two years it will 
 >be a shame, because of he has done in the past.

What do you remember Willie Mays for?  His great slugging and his fantastic
fielding or his last at bat with the Mets where he struck out with a heart
wrenching and pathetic swing that my mother would have been ashamed to a have 
made?

--- Mark Perew  Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org
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From: jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU (Joseph Combs)
Subject: Re: Bengals schedule ??????
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:31:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.210738.6729@iscsvax.uni.edu> kehoe0841@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>   I will be in Cincinatti (sp?) on Sunday October 18th.  I have been a bengals
>fan for years but have never had the opportunity to see a game in person.
>(being from a small town in Iowa).
>
>I am  wondering:
>   1) How can I find out if they are going to be playing at home

Unfortunately for you the the weekend you will be in town the Bengals are the  
Monday Night game against the Steelers at Pittsburgh.  Guess you'll have to 
watch Dave and the boys kick some Steeler ass on tv.  Sorry.

						
						Joe
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:59:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.145302.8882@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
>How many of you out there think that Madden is the WORST football announcer
>on the face of the planet...  Here are a few of his classic quotes..
>
>'They don't want to get an interception at this stage of the game'
>Excuse me?  I wasn't aware that ANY team EVER wanted an interception
>at any point during a game...
>
>'They have to put some points on the board....'
>Again!  Madden astounds us with his excellent grasp of the obvious.
>
>I could go on for years.. I was wondering how many people agree with me.
>I won't even metion last weeks game when he was pointing out people who
>knew how to have a tailgate party and those who didn't.  Oh well..
>
>							W O L V E R I N E
>

I beg to differ with you.  I happen to enjoy Madden's style.
Sure, it can be overbearing at times with the stupid stop and
replay gadget he uses, but he is more refreshing than the 
other announcers.  Check it out, if he wasn't so popular,
he would not be seen on national TV doing commericals.  He also
has his classic Madden All Star Team.  His personality is
unique and because of this, he is being marketed and making
millions!  The majority of football players, it seems, love
to be on the Madden Team!
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:15:35 GMT

Holly Wise (holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:
: I've been saying this for 3 years.  Dump Cofer.  We won't get to Superbowl 
: with him there.  Think Seifert's on the net?

Yeah! Bono's a *lot* better!
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:04:38 GMT

rf> Ronald Fedkiw

rf> The point is the Super Bowl is too small a sample to be used as evidence.

  Bingo.

rf> Try something more realistic, like the AFC vs. NFC record over the past 10
rf> years. Someone should dig up the results, I can't believe that the differ-
rf> ence would be more than 60-40.

  Done:

  Overall:   AFC: 513  51.9% ("won" 12 of 22 seasons)
	     NFC: 475  48.1% ("won"  5 of 22 seasons)
	     Tie:   8  ----- ("tied" 5 of 22 seasons)

  1982-1991: AFC: 242  49.4% ("won"  4 of 10 seasons)
             NFC: 248  50.6% ("won"  2 of 10 seasons)
             Tie:   2  ----- ("tied" 4 of 10 seasons)
 
  Season        AFC        NFC        Tie       Winner
  ------        ---        ---        ---       ------
   1970          12         27         1         NFC
   1971          15         23         2         NFC
   1972          20         19         1         AFC
   1973          19         19         2         Tie
   1974          23         17         0         AFC
   1975          23         17         0         AFC
   1976          16         12         0         AFC
   1977          19          9         0         AFC
   1978          31         21         0         AFC
   1979          36         16         0         AFC
   1980          33         19         0         AFC
   1981          24         28         0         NFC
   1982          15         14         1         AFC
   1983          26         26         0         Tie
   1984          26         26         0         Tie
   1985          27         25         0         AFC
   1986          26         26         0         Tie
   1987          23         22         1         AFC
   1988          30         22         0         AFC
   1989          24         28         0         NFC
   1990          26         26         0         Tie
   1991          19         33         0         NFC
--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Jay Schroeder???
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:23:06 GMT

In article <18m2phINN5vc@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM> warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Richards Montgomery) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.162449.21268@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>So, is Jay a relative of Al Davis's?  I mean, why the hell has he put up
>>with that crap for so long?  Is Todd Marinovich going to be the superstar
>>that Al hopes, or will the Raiders be QB-less for years to come?
>>-- 
>>
>>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
>
>Can you say Marc Wilson???
>
>I'm not a Raider fan but from growing up with the *Oakland* Raiders 40 miles 
>away and watching my Broncos play them 2x a year forever...
>
>This isn't the 1st time Al Davis has made a bonehead QB decision.  
>
>1) He trades Stabler...if anyone ever deserved to play his whole career as
>	a Raider it was #12
>2) He lingers on and on with Marc Wilson
>3) He's doing the same with Schroeder
>
>I'd like to see Jay remain the Raider QB for a *Long* time :) 
>  ...the only possible explanation I see could be that Marinovich is going
>       to ride the bench for a few more games then step into the starting
>       job mid-season???  The same type of move Shula did with Marino.
>
>Dennis

Their is one other possible explanation. I was told by another Raider fan that 
Marinovich can't throw the long ball. No bomb for Al no starter. I haven't been
able to verify this since I haven't been able to see most of the pre-season
games that he has played. However, I don't remember him throwing long last 
year.

A Raider Fan



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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound)
Subject: Re: A VIKING WOOFER!!
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:12:27 GMT

In article <20222@plains.NoDak.edu> herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid) writes:
>
>            MINNESOTA VIKINGS ARE A MAJOR THREAT!
>
>
>After the beating of the Green Bay Packers last Sunday the
>secret is out in the open.  THE VIKES ARE FOR REAL.  I am
>sure that the folks in Detroit are concerned about the game
>next Sunday.  Let me tell you---don't worry----the Vikes will
>probably whack the heck out of the Lions.  This year the
>Minnesota Vikings will be whacking most if not all the teams
>they meet.
>
>There is clearly a new attitude that has swept over the
>Viking locker room and finally.........................
>
>THE PURPLE PEOPLE EATERS ARE BACK!!!!! (woof)
>
>
>GGGGGGG    OOOOOOO
>G          O     O
>G          O     O
>G  GGGG    O     O
>G     G    O     O
>GGGGGGG    OOOOOOO
>
>V           V  IIIIIII    K   K   EEEEEE    SSSSSS   !!
> V         V      I       K  K    E        S         !!
>  V       V       I       K K     E         S        !!
>   V     V        I       KK      EEEEE      SS      !!
>    V   V         I       K K     E            SS    !!
>     V V          I       K  K    E             S

Excuse me if I don't share in your excitment but they did 
beat a Green Bay team that was not exactly picked to win the 
Superbowl.....


-- 
Luke
		The most romantic thing anyone ever said to me in bed was
		"Are you sure you are not a cop?"
I only drink for medicinal purposes: unfortuantly I have been sick for 5 years.