HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: Of PL259 on 9913 and other sins.
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.170923.514@miki.pictel.com> wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:

>_lot_ more significant at (say) 450 MHz, so you must use a decent
>connector like N-type.  At these frequencies the attenuation of RG-8
>is about 2.0 dB per 100 feet, and 9913 is a lot more widely used.

Oops!  I meant 2.0 dB per hundred feet _more_ per hundred feet than 9913...

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Using Ham Equipment in Other Services
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:51:03 GMT

jab0684@usl.edu (Boudreaux Jean A) writes:

>Is it lawful to use ham equipment in other services?
>For instance one ham tells me that even if you observed the power rule of
>4 watts for am, it would be illegal to trans mit in CB channels with 
>a ham HF rig.  That only a type accepted cb transmitter is accepatable.
>Is this indeed the case?

	Virtually any thing built for use outside amateur bands has to
	be type accepted before it is legal to use it.  Ham equipment
	cannot be used for most other services.  The military is the
	major exception.

>Assuming a 2 meter rig can transmit in the Marine radio bands is it legal
>to use to for communicating with other boats? Or is another special liscense
>required(I thought I read it was). Even if a liscense is required 
>do I have to use a type accepted marine radio like I do for CB?

	Not only must marine radios be type accepted, but you have to have
	a seperate license for a boat radio, a shore radio, etc.

>Lastly please post the frequency for marine channel 16(emergency channel),
>since surely it would be licit to transmit here in an emergency situation
>with a 2 meter ham rig.

	It is legal to use anything that sqeaks anywhere when emergency
	life threatening conditions truly exist.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Limited Programming Viability?
From: jangus@skyld.UUCP (Jeff Angus)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 22:08:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Grendel's Lair

-----------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 12:46:50 -0400
>From: PTomblin@gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)

Arthur Kreitman wrote:

>       It has to do with the number of lines of code you're born with.
> Everyone is born with a certain number of working lines of code.  After
> you write that last one, you can NEVER write another line of code that
> works.  Some are born with more, some with less.  But the number is fixed
> at birth.  You can't buy, steal, or borrow any.  By 35 or so, most people
> have run out of working lines of code.

Does this mean that people who program in really terse languages like APL
last longer than COBOL programmers?

I can see COBOL leading to burn-out, but I thought it was just the
incredible monotony of programming insurance systems that did it.

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jhenderson@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Weird power connectors wiring
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:37:47 PDT

In article <6227@transfer.stratus.com>, leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.014944.20716@access.digex.com>, og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg) writes:
> |> 4. The power supply cord is positive on the outside of the ring, which seems
> |> like a short circuit waiting to happen.
> 
> This is totally brain dead.  I couldn't beleive it when I noticed this.
> There is no way I'm going to power one off the cig lighter and use an
> outside antenna.  Are their engineers Brits or something?

Rigs I have that feature the positive on the outside contact of a coaxial
connectors:

FT23R
FT33R
FT709R
Realistic PRO-34

Seems to be a semi-common feature...
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From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Uselessness of ARES/RACES
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:36:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


>Next thing we know, we have very angry ARES folks yelling at us because
>we gave a cell phone to a site they were going to outfit via radio.
>(which they had not done for 2 1/2 days since we offered our 220 equipment)

Not all ARES organizations are so narrow-minded. When major fires struck
Yosemite a couple of years ago, the hams packed up and went home after
Pacific Bell got some portable cell sites installed. (Maybe some hams
stayed on with packet equipment to handle written traffic??)

The point is that the hams were extremely valuable during the first
several days of the fire--an opion that is supported by the fact that
state and local officials all over California keep requesting ham
assistance during emergencies.

The people who've been posting "Hams are no help in emergencies"
messages seem to (surprise!) be the same ones who are always carping
about one thing or another here on r.r.a.m. I guess their approach to
life allows them to see the small percentage of ill-trained,
egotistical hams who just get in the way at such times, while never
noticing the much larger percentage of dedicated ARES and RACES
volunteers whose work gains respect and *ongoing requests for more
assistance.*

Personally, I pay much more attention to people like Alan, Sharon, and
Steve who've gone out and helped people whose lives and homes are in danger
than I do to those who merely sit at their keyboards and carp.


Patty

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Chuck Adams <chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov>
Subject: Problem with ICOM IC-901
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:06:27 GMT

Has anyone seen this problem with the IC-901 radio?  When turning the unit on
(with control head and 2M/440 dual band module only, no external band units
connected), the unit works properly.  When turning the unit off, the control
head lights and display go off, but the main and sub bands still receive and if
there is activity on either band, it is heard in the speaker.  When turning the
power back on, the main and sub band audios quit, and all the segments of the
LCD display light up and then start to flash.  The only way I have found to
reset this condition is to remove the power connector from the radio then plug
the power connector back in.  The radio works again for another cycle as
described above.

It has been suggested that I may have a problem with the cable from the control
head to the dual boand module.  I will check out that possibility.  Does anyone
know a method or any magic key-strokes to reset the microprocessor if the cable
is determined not to be at fault?

                      Chuck Adams,  WB5WRR   (The Chuckster)
                 Not an official document of DOE, SSCL, URA or EG&G
               Try Internet brand Tequila -  "A worm in every bottle"
             Internet:  chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov  (aka 143.202.130.11)


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From: murray@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (John Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: Hamfest Bogus Check Alert
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:37:05 GMT
Reply-To: murray@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (John Murray)
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Sep13.164918.4447@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>Funny, what I read was not EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE at all, simply OPINION.
>
>MD

No, what the original poster gave us was rule-of-thumb bits of evidence to
look for, which he gained from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (go back and read it again,
he's got commercial retail experience)

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From: hayward@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Peter Hayward)
Subject: Help on Icom 3220H?
Organization: Somewhere between the Stillwater and Penobscot Rivers
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:51:07 GMT


My Icom 3220H has extremely low transmitted audio. On a scope it is
about 1/2 that of other radios. I want to adjust it, but the schematic
is little help -- does anyone have access to a service manual which
could tell me which needs adjusting?

Thanks
Peter
WX9T
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 50/144 dual bander. WAS: American manufacturers of ham gear.
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:54:28 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

bobw@col.hp.com (Bob Witte) writes:

>derry@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Derry) writes:
>> I wonder what the market would be for a dual band rig pairing 2 meters and  
>> 6 meters.  Just like many years ago when the (now traditional) Techs came  
>> along and very adequately populated the 6-m band, there are many of the  
>> new techs (both nocode and traditional) who are interested in six meters,  
>> at least in these parts.
>>
>   I'll take one as long as its all-mode and reasonably sized (for
>   mobile use).


It would be great if more all-mode 6M rigs were available at more
reasonable prices.   Yaesu did come out with an all-mode 12m, 10m,
and 6m rig (100W), but its price is high. ($1800 if I recall correctly)
The Yaesu FT-690-II is the smallest all-mode- small enough for
mobile or portable- but it costs about $650 and only covers one
band.

My dream rig would be a small, 12V dual-band (6m/2m) all-mode 10W rig 
with a detachable linear amp for 100W.   Make that baby $650 and I'll
buy one, and so would a lot of others.  (Well, one can dream, I suppose)

An FM-only 6m/2m dual-bander is a nice idea, but I doubt that it
would sell.  6m FM is not popular for a reason: the range is
lower and the noise is higher than on 2m.

73 DE KK6MY



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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: derry@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Derry)
Subject: Re: batteries on concrete
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:11:41 GMT


In article <6+sn+=n@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
> DERRY@ROSEVC.Rose-Hulman.EDU writes:
> 
> 
> >I cant' believe in this day and age one is called on to debunk this
> >rediculous myth about placing Pb-H2SO4 batteries on concrete.
> 
> >Finally... No one has ever been able to explain why setting a battery  
on
> >concrete is a special situation.  Those who believe in these wild
> >OLD WIVES' TALES should come up with some reason using existing laws
> >of physics.
> 
> >I hope this hasn't offended anyone.
> 
> Only to the extent that making a blanket statement about this rediculous  
(sic)
> myth is a wrong as the myth.
> 
> The issue is not concrete per se.  The issue is placing the battery in a 
> cold, damp environment, such as the envrionment that exists right over
> most concrete floors in basements and so on.  This cold, damp enviroment
> will supply moisture to the hydroscopic deposits that frequently
> collect on the outside of a battery.  THIS process will discharge the 
> battery.
> 
> Discovering this is as simple as placing a well used battery in such an
> environment and probing around the case with a DVM.  The voltage you
> observe is the tramp current finding its way across the case.
> 
> When a battery suffering this kind of discharge is picked up off the  
floor,
> it is likely to be placed in a warmer and drier location.  This will  
obviously
> stop the discharge.  Since most people are not engineers and since there 
> is seldom asphalt in basements, the concrete gets the blame.  Regardless
> of the cause, the "cure" works.
> 
> Instead of offending someone, you might instead try explaining why 
> the conventional wisdom works sometimes.
> 
> John
> 
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Many have missed the point of the myth.  It's the fact that
it's CONCRETE.  Maybe this ridculous (that's better) myth
has regional variations.  Location isn't important.  That's why the  
"problem" is solved by sliding a 1/4 inch sheet of plywood under the  
battery.

I reiterate:  This is pure dog doodoo.  Is now and maybe always was.  But  
don't try to dospell this myth.  Too many have believed it for so long  
that they couldn't accept the idea of a change if it was shown on TV.  HI

** John, you may be coming close to the source of this cruddy legend.

ynx es 73 de Jack, K9CUN
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Brit Kit Company
Date: 6 Sep 1992 05:49:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


   I understand the Heath Company is on the wane.  However I 
heard recently of a British electronic kit company called
C.M. Howes....anyone know of this....or any other in U.S.?
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
From: rallen@apple.com (Dick Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Spectrum scope for Yaesu FT-1000
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:39:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Does anyone know of a commercial product or a construction article on how 
to create a spectal display scope for a Yaesu FT-1000.  The radio has an IF
output jack which provides a 70 MHz+ first IF output.

Dick
From: LEY@UWSTOUT.EDU (James P. Ley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to Subscribe
Date: 9 Sep 1992 09:58:29 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

I have been a subscriber to INFO-HAMS through an Internet connection to
UCSD.EDU for a long time.  That's the problem.  I friend would like to
subscribe to INFO-HAMS and I forgot how I did it.  He has access to the
Internet.  To what location, and how, would he send his request to subscribe?

Thanks.  Please e-mail answers to LEY@UWSTOUT.EDU

		Jim,NX9F
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Subject: Re: Kenwood Financial Health?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:26:09 GMT

In article <b7rnrkp.feustel@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>All of the postings concerning Kenwood's execrable reputation for
>service made me wonder what the company's financial health is.
>My experience is that poor service often reflects a bad financial
>situation.

Or that MBA's have taken over the company. Two things go first, quality
and service. Hurts the bottom line and their bonuses in the short run to
much. 

Jeff


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From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alinco DJ-580T
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:00:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <92251.172629MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Having just received my Tech Plus, I went to Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland
>to purchase the DJ-580T that I had heard so much about.  Their price was
>399.99 and credit card in hand I told the sales man, Mr. Mac Myovich
>
... nice HRO plug deleted

>So thanks Mr. Myovich and Ham Radio Outlet. I'll be back to spend more
>money on toys, especially after Uncle Charlie at the FCC sends me my
>call sign.

Hmmmmmm....isn't this what everybody was afraid that Radio Shack would do??
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Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907-1061
From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for DAVE VRONA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:34:03 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

        DAVE VRONA please reply to this message (email).  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle
Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:48:27 GMT

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 47     
1 22120U          92257.58333333  .00075744  00000-0  25599-3 0    51
2 22120  56.9960 103.0456 0008624 282.6993 324.3532 15.89350753   178
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From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Empire of the Air
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:45:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <21870013@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> tcline@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ted Cline) writes:
>
>> In rec.radio.amateur.misc, CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas) writes:
>> 
>> I've been trying to catch this PBS program for the last year, but
>> every time it comes by, I'm out of town, or my bldg's cable system
>> is screwed up, or ...  Does anyone have a tape of it they'd be
>> willing to copy for me?  I'd be glad to send you a tape + "sase".
>> Tnx.
>> 
>> -- 73 de Chris Thomas, AA6SQ (ex-WA6HTJ) (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
>
>
>I believe I have it on tape and can copy to VHS tape and then US mail, I
>estimate cost at about $7 total.
>
>Email me if interested.
>
>(I also emailed this to Chris Thomas, CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
>
>----
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I recently saw the tape for sale at several retail outlets.

--sas


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From: MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco DJ-580
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:40:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Someone posted a message concerning DJ-580's with serial numbers lower
than 4000.  A friend has such a radio and I can't remember what the
comments were.  Could you repost them or send them direct.

Thanks

Michael
(waiting for call sign)

P.S. to those concerned about purchases of ham equipment before being
anointed with actual letters and number, a CSCE (Certificate of Successful
Completion of an Examination) with privileges is given at the time of
such completion.  Having letters and number is no guarentee that a person
isn't going to act like an idiot, and not having same is not an indicator
that they will.  It's rather like owning a firearm, it's not the ownership
that matters, but what you do with it.
Newsgroups: uiuc.org.synton,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: zalondek@ai.mit.edu (Kevin Zalondek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Clubs
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:54:59 GMT
Organization: MIT AI Lab

I have a friend who just moved to Chapel Hill North Carolina (the
Raleigh/Durham area) and is having difficulty in finding radio clubs.
Does anyone know of clubs in that area?
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,misc.misc
Subject: Re: CW Speed Contests?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <193e2fINNjob@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>
>This got me to thinking about contests of skill for people in other
>occupations.  It's been several years since I have read about a typing
>speed contest - the last one I heard about was won with a speed of 130 WPM
>or so.  Maybe there were shorthand contests for stenographers at one time.
>The rodeo continues as a contest of cowboy skills.  You just don't hear
>much anymore about contests where working people compete on their
>abilities.  I'm not counting things like the Oscars and competition that
>a professional photographers organization holds, nor awards and honors,
>because in these things people are not competing against each other on
>specific tasks.

Don't forget the steel cowboys, truck drivers. They still hold "roadeos"
testing their skill in maneuvering the big rigs.

Gary KE4ZV
From: MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alinco DJ-580T
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:32:53 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <92251.172629MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
<MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> says:
>
>Having just received my Tech Plus, I went to Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland
>to purchase the DJ-580T that I had heard so much about.  Their price was
>399.99 and credit card in hand I told the sales man, Mr. Mac Myovich
>(K6KAP), I want that one...  He said that it was an excellent choice,
>he had one himself, and that it was on sale too.  Since the "special"
>price of $399.99 had been on there for some time, I remaked that the
>"sale" had been going on for some time.  No, he replied, it is really
>on sale... how about $364.95...  Needless to say, I am not the owner
AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH  That not's not a not but a ""not  ^^^ only"
>of the DJ-580T, but also the speaker/mike an extra battery, an upgraded
>antenna, and the soft (but overpriced) case.
>
>It's so nice to find a place where they tell you about a sale price,
>after you have said.. "That One, that's the one I'm gonna buy".
>
>So thanks Mr. Myovich and Ham Radio Outlet. I'll be back to spend more
>money on toys, especially after Uncle Charlie at the FCC sends me my
>call sign.