From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tale of two Steve's...
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:05:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Sep14.185025.3638@amgen.com> chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.213047.7057@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>> 
>> In article <1992Sep9.180238.2997@amgen.com> chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>
>> > - Since Bono has wisely chosen to mimick Montana's style of play, he obviously
>> >   fits in to their current offense easier.  The supporting offensive cast has
>> >   to make little to no adjustments from the Montana-driven offense, making 
>> >   their jobs easier.
>> >
>> I don't think it is a matter of mimicking Montana's style of play on Bono's behalf.
>> If this were to hold true, than Young is not too bright.  He should likewise
>> mimick Montana's style of play.  He cannot.  On the other hand, Bono's style
>> of play is married to the Niner's style of play, which happens to be the
>> way Montana plays.  Bono's style of play is just that, not a mimick.
>
>I think you are giving Bono more credit than he is due for his current style.
>
I presume you were not taught to give credit where credit is due?  To be
honest, I am NOT giving Bono any credit.  Any credit he receives is self
directed by his own play/performance. Is that so hard to grasp?
>
>After all, he was cut twice by two different teams.  I couldn't prove it, but
>I'd be willing to bet that when he was lucky enough to get involved with the
>Niner's, he realized this could be his last shot and wisely started to study
>Joe's style of play.  I do know that I have heard him say that he made Montana
>his role model as a QB.
>
Hmmm, interesting point of argument. Unfortunatley, if you were to seriously
consider your statement and put on your thinking cap, you would/should retract
your statement.  I will count to 10, 1..2..3.. and give you a chance to reprieve
yourself. :-) Unless it escapes you, there are plenty of QB's and or NFL players, 
who have be released/waivered/traded who finally find their niche and perform 
brillantly.  Does the football team Raiders ring a bell? What about Jim Plunkett?
I remember Johnny Unitas was traded to the Colts, I think the Browns gave,
4..5...6..  him away(?). Actually, I am not that OLD, but I remember an interview I
saw of Unitas earlier this year and he mentioned he had been traded.
Enough said, 7..8...9...10. :-)

>> >
>> > - One half season of success does not a great career make (The "Flash in the
>> >   Pan" theory revisted).  There is no guarantee that Bono can duplicate his
>> >   performance over a long period of time.
>> >
>> In case you have forgotten, Young's starting status hardly qualifies him as
>> a regular.  He missed almost half the season last year. Given Bono's performance,
>> he is in MHO, a much better quarterback than Young.  Young had been regulated
>> to backup status and rarely got to play prior to Montana's injury. 
>
>I never said he was a regular.  What I will say is that a majority of the time
>he has been called on to perform, he has come through.
>
Based on Young's most current record, last year, he did not fair as good as
Bono.  Check out the record.  Enough said.
>> >
>> > - Over time, the Niner's offense would adjust to Young's Style of play.  These
>> >   arguements about Young not staying in the pocket making him a liability are
>> >   ridiculous.  A QB that can scramble like Young is an asset, not a liablility.
>> >   So what if he makes a first down running instead of passing - you still have
>> >   a first down, and next time the defense will have to devote more attention
>> >   to the possiblity of him running, which would open up more opportunities for
>> >   a pass play.
>> >
>> Your arguments do not hold water.  Granted, any QB can get crunched, regardless
>> if he is a pocket or scrambling QB. Young does not possess the calmness/coolness
>> required to run the Niner style of play.  With all the offensive weapons that
>> the Niner's possess, Young's scrambling is a downright liability in the long
>> run.  Sure, it looks good when he runs for a first down, but Young's first
>> reaction is run instead of letting a play develop.  I would like to know how
>> many pocket QB vs scrambling QBs have won the SB.  I think the traditional type
>> QB is the best.
>> >
>
>There was a time when this was true, but this season Young has been completing
>passes as opposed to running when possible.  Using the game against the Bills 
>as an example, he ran only when he had to, and twice for critical first downs.
>
Okay, I concede this one, but just for this one game. I will guarantee you
that his bad habit of running before the play develops will result in one
of two things: 1) he will get benched; 2) he will be murderlized and carried
off the field.

>> >I for one am glad that the Young trade didn't go through.  If Joe doesn't come
>> >back, IMHO the Niners have a better chance for success with Young at the helm.
>> >If he goes down (like in the opener against the Giants) then Bono is quite
>> >capable of coming in and doing the job.  It's almost as good a combo as the
>> >Montana/Young combo of the '80's.  Even after taking the hit he took in the
>> >Giants game, he still came back and drove the Niners down the field for the
>> >score, culminated by a TD PASS to Rathman.
>> >
>> By Young's own admission, his play calling and subsequent TD were not even
>> remembered.  It was a combination of instinct and pure luck!  Again, your
>> arguments do not water.  Quick, where are the life boats! :-)
>
>You're statement is a tribute to Young's QB ability - he used instinct to
>complete the drive after he got his bell rung.
>
Instinct and ability doesn't mean the same thing.  This was pure luck!
Hey, don't get me wrong, I am a 49er fan! 
>> >
>> >BTW, Joe could still come back and lead the Niners to glory again...he's had
>> >career ending injuries before. :)  Either way, should be a great season.
>> >
>> Well, at least this made sense.
>> >
>
>I hate to say it as a Niner fan, but it looks more and more like Joe may not be
>able to return - although he may be around for awhile as a backup/mentor...And
>I have the utmost enthusiasm and confidence in Young's ability to perform as 
>the starting QB.  Despite the loss to the Bills, it was an incredible
>performance by Young and the Offense-less Jerry Rice.  It's nice to know that
>he can get the job done with the second string reciever's ...:)  Now, if we
>could only get a kicker...:(
>
>Chris S.
>
Well, I am in alignment with your statement regarding Joe. Two of 8 is not
bad> :-)  Oh, darn, yes! It was an incredible game.  I still think YOUNG blew 
it though, towards the end, to wit:  What is your opinion when the game clock was 
at 2:08 (the 49ers had just made a 1st down) and Young proceeds to call a
play and ended up wasting a play.  Timeout is called after the dead play and
the two minute warning is given.  IMHO, Young should have let the 8 seconds tick
off and wait for an automatic timeout.  He could then go over to the sidelines to
confer with the coaches.  Oh well.

In case you haven't already heard:

Cofer might be out of a job. Possible candidates are: Raul Allegre
and Eddie Murray are scheduled for tryouts.

Brent Jones out with a strained hamstring.

Chris Dressel, a former Stanford player who was with the 49ers
in training camp, is the likely addition to the roster as a tight end.

They resigned safety Johnnie Jackson - he was waived twice in the last
three weeks.  They released free agent inside linebacker Reggie McKenzie.

The POSSIBILITY exists that Keith Jackon, unsigned Philly tight end,
might be considered as an acquisition.(remote)

Seifert has given Young a confidence boost, so it looks like Young
will start this Sunday.


FACT: I am not an NFL coach. Have coached any type of team. I only have
my views (don't we all?) and I still think Bono should be the starting QB.
Bottom line:  GO NINER'S
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe