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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Answer: F1 Trivia #1
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:56:38 GMT

The question was:

Has Senna ever not qualified for an F1 race?  If so, where and when?

The last part of the question gave it away to some extent, obviously,
I would not ask the question if he had qualified every race.  I received
three correct answers and they are listed below in their entirety.
They are listed in the order received, the one from Frank coming
only minutes after I posted the question.  I'm impressed with the
depth of knowledge of these F1 fans.

Ross Taylor

Solutions below
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From fvanalst@stolaf.edu Mon Apr  6 11:25:28 1992
To: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
Subject: Senna ever DNQ??


Oops, at first I thought this said has Senna ever been dis-qualified
from a race.  But now I see it is dnq'd.

My guess is 1984, Imola (San Marino) GP.  The Toleman team were in
tire troubles of some sort, and Senna never got up to speed that
weekend to make the grid.

Otherwise, he sat out the Italy GP (Monza) of that year due to contract
problems with Toleman, since Senna had talked to Lotus for 1985 when
his Toleman contract forbid him to do so.  But I guess Senna did not
race at all that weekend, so that does not count.

So it must be Imola '84, if at all.

Frank Van Alstine (Jr.)
fvanalst@stolaf.edu

GO BENETTON!

Yes, this is from memory only.

From AYER@TUNL.TUNL.DUKE.EDU Tue Apr  7 11:03:45 1992
Subject: Answer to trivia question
To: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
X-Organization: Triangle Universities Nuclear Laboratory
X-Envelope-To: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
X-Vms-To: IN%"taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu"

>From my memory, I do recall that Senna DNQed only once in his F1 career.
It was in his Toleman days (1984). I don't remember where, but as this is
a closed book question :-),I'd guess San Marino! I can find out the exact
circuit when I go home!

Zeid Ayer

From burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com Tue Apr  7 12:12:54 1992
To: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
Subject: F1 trivia

Ross,

Senna DNQ'd at the '84 San Marino GP

It also appears he did not start the Italian GP that year, but I
can't remember why....

Dave
From: muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re. IMCA (again)
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:59:04 GMT


  Have enjoyed various reminiscences about IMCA racing from "the
  old days" as reported herein recently...  I remembered something
  else attractive about the good old days...   Today we have
  "crybabies" in CART [Mario?].  We have a few "crybabies" in
  Winston Cup...   BUT in the old days, in IMCA stocks and
  sprints, we had good-old-boy, hard-charging race car drivers !!
From: roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Roberto S. M. Barros)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:  Senna: Love him or hate him?
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:58:32 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

Congratulations to John Francis for his very well written article! 

I only want to comment on the last paragraph.
 
| Personally I would like to see Ayrton Senna teamed up with Nigel 
| Mansell or Michael Schumacher.  That would really let him show how 
| much of his success is driver talent and how much is due to the 
| equipment. I don't expect it will happen (although I don't think 
| that a Mansell/Senna pairing is quite as unlikely as it would have 
| been two or three years ago), but I can dream . .
 
Well. In theory the Senna/Prost pairing (88 and 89) should be taken 
into account as well. If one can't agree Senna beat Prost, at least 
one can't claim Prost beat Senna.

Also, Berger's results were very similar to Mansell's in 89 
as opposed to what happenned to him in 90/91.

Finally, the Prost/Mansell pairing (90) should not be missed! 
In my oppinion, Mansell was completely outdriven by Prost. 

I would say Mansell is the one who would do his best to avoid such a 
pairing. I guess he would rather retire (from F1) than have to stand 
Senna (or any other driver) sharing the "number 1 driver" privileges.
(Maybe that's why Prost is not driving for Williams this year).

Roberto Barros
From: jheris@work2.EBay.Sun.COM (Jheri Birchett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GIF's of NASCAR
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:55:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: work2.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Apr9.103228.167@sugaree.uu.net> smiley@sugaree.uu.net writes:
> My questions are...
>Anyone have simple instructions on converting these things so they can be
>uploaded to the net. I will probably be putting them on compuserve since the
>pictures there really s*ck.
>  2ndly, what should we do next? I brought in some of the PRO_LINE race cards
>from last year that have great pictures on them. Is this legal to repost parts
>of them? (sorry, I am a computer person not a legal expert).Anyone have
>something they want? I will do NASCAR or NHRA pictures. (sorry open wheel fans)
>
>-- 
>The opinion's expressed are just this person's verbal ramblings.
>Robert W. Smiley        Systems Support Manager         IKEA U.S. Services

The thing that you might want to do is talk to some of the posters in 
a.b.p.m, they should be able to give you the complete scoop on how to
send the pictures out....

I know that you FORD fans might have a problem with this but, I have 
wanted an Earnhardt gif background for about 6 months now, If this
is somewhat impossible any NASCAR background will do.


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From: smiley@sugaree.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GIF's of NASCAR
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:49:58 GMT
Organization: IKEA US, Phila PA

In article <ku9bq5INN162@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, jheris@work2.EBay.Sun.COM (Jheri Birchett) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.103228.167@sugaree.uu.net> smiley@sugaree.uu.net writes:
>> My questions are...
>>Anyone have simple instructions on converting these things so they can be
>>uploaded to the net. I will probably be putting them on compuserve since the
>>pictures there really s*ck.

> The thing that you might want to do is talk to some of the posters in 
> a.b.p.m, they should be able to give you the complete scoop on how to
> send the pictures out....

Unfortunately, this site does not get mail or ALT.'s

> 
> I know that you FORD fans might have a problem with this but, I have 
> wanted an Earnhardt gif background for about 6 months now, If this
> is somewhat impossible any NASCAR background will do.

This might be a little hard cause I dont have a good Dale Earnhardt Picture.
Know of any magazines that have a good color picture. I only get NSSN.
I did Richard Petty and Ricky Rudd yesterday. I have to convert them from TIFF
to GIF and see what the resolution looks like.

-- 
The opinion's expressed are just this person's verbal ramblings.
Robert W. Smiley        Systems Support Manager         IKEA U.S. Services
From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Long Beach IndyCar comments
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:09:30 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Some thoughts on the Long Beach race..

I HATE World League football, especially when it runs 12 minutes into >MY< race. I bet more people (84000) attended the race than watched that football game worldwide.

Other than starting late, I was pleased with the coverage, however, it seemed like an awful short race. I dunno whether it was the commercials, tv delay, or what.

Even with  the high attrition rate, several of rookies looked real good on the track. Brian Till in the early going, Jimmy Vasser the whole way thru, and both Dale Coyne Racing & Eric Bachelart scored their career best finishes (8th!).

It was refreshing to see 4 cars within 3 seconds of each other in the final laps..(at the front even!)

Good to see Danny win again.
From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jordan-Yamaha
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:59:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <1992Apr13.102358.1@vax1.tcd.ie> scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie writes:



>	Would anybody out there care to share with my depression resulting
>from the (mis)fortunes of the Jordan-Yamaha team in this current F1 season?

Yes, but I wouldn't be all that disappointed. It was expected by everybody
for Jordan to have a hard time of it for the first races. I wouldn't
expect him to be in contention for points until about June. Look 
at how Alboreto got points last day, remember Arrows last year? Or
remember Williams at the start of last year. Reliability takes time.


. Reportedly, those nice people at Ford had performed some adjustments on
>the cooling system without it occuring to them to let the Jordan team know!

Does anyone know what happened about Ford sueing Jordan? Last I heard
all sides were at an impasse.

. Basically, Jordan found themselves on the
>receiving end of Benneton hand-me-downs (Benneton were supposedly powered by
>identical spec. FordV8s) with Ford quite happy to play ostrich.

No Benneton always had a higher spec than Jordan, that is why he signed the
Yamaha deal, because Walkinshaw wouldn't let them have the top spec
motors for this season.

. That display 
>of immaturity on Schmmackers part did not nothing to deflect the POACH of the
>season by Tom Walkinshaw for Benneton.

Haha we'll see what Merc-Sauber have to say about that.


Good to see a fellow Trinity man in this group!


Mark


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From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: First Union 400 (N.Wilkesboro NASCAR) results (short, SPOILER)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:28:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	Nice touch by ESPN devoting 30 minutes to cover the Junior Johnson
story.  Those guys ... I think the ESPN crew is hands-down, far-and-away
the BEST broadcast team anywhere.  I only saw the start and finish, but
it looked like a pit-crew race.  Did most of the lead-changing among the
first five happen in the pits?
	I have to hand it to ...... <results follow>

	...... Davey Allison!  "Playing hurt" defined, I guess.  Good show
by Earnhardt and Wallace, too.  Looks like there might not be the 2-tier
competition R.Childress would have us believe; during the race, anyways.
Would've liked to see Kulwicki stomp again, but I think he got most-laps-
led points and a 7th (?).  Too bad Jarrett got smacked in the first heat;
I think a lot of folks were pulling for a win from them.  And if *The King*
didn't have bad luck, he'd have ...... (!).
	Gant took over 2nd place in points thanks to Elliot's 20th.
Labonte continued his top-10 streak; I think he's third in points.
Kulwicki is fifth; forgot who's fourth?

	Later .....

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
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From: edc@NOC.Vitalink.COM (Eric D. Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mario, oh Mario.... Anyone home ?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: edc@noc.vitalink.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Vitalink Communications, Fremont, CA


|> 
|>  What the he!! was wrong with Mario?!? 

The same thing that's been wrong with Mario for the past 2 or 3 seasons. Seems he can't accept the fact that he's
NOT the guy to beat anymore.   


|>   On the other hand, when
|> they interviewed Mario he seemed a bit ticked at Eddie, not to mention his
|> claim that Eddie moved over on him.   

Typical Mario as of late, I'm afraid. It's really too bad that a man who has accomplished so much and been so
successful in his racing career feels like he has to cop an attitude like that. It's so unlike the Mario Andretti of 10
or 15 years ago. He must be feeling an aweful lot of frustration to vent it in the manner that he has in recent years.

A.J. has accepted the fact that there are better, faster drivers out ther now and that he's not on top anymore. Richard
Petty has too. They both are still racing, but for the FUN of it. Neither are out there taking other, more competitive
drivers out by driving over their limits. 

Too bad Mario doesn't feel like he can just enjoy his remaining years in the sport. He's certainly proved himself
already. It's just not nessecary to pull the sh*t he's been doing recently.

|>  Is it just Mario or do the cameras really lie?!?

I don't think the cameras lie. I talked to a friend last night who was flagging at L.B. and has a good firsthand view of
what happened. He said that from his perspective, Mario just tried to force his way underneeth Cheever, who
(rigthfully) held his line. He said Cheever definately did NOT swerve into Mario, or make any move that direction.
Mario tried to stick his nose under Cheever, and there wasn't room, but Mario didn't back out. My friend mentioned
that it it almost looked like Mario expected Cheever to move over and let him through (though he admits that that is
conjecture on his part, and should be taken with a grain of salt).

Remember the rules of the road in racing. It is the overtaking driver's responsability to ensure that a pass can be
completed safely. Apperently Mario forgot this one for a moment, and then tried to blame Cheever to save face.

Tisk. tisk Mario. I would have though someone of your caliber to be above rookie finger pointing exercizes. :-(

And to think, I USED to be a Mario Andretti fan. Makes me wish I'd been rooting for the Unsers all those years. At
least they has the class to exit gracefully when the time came....

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From: timab@sofus.dhhalden.no (TIM ALEXANDER BYE)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Fittipaldi..
Summary: new guy?
Keywords: known name..
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:51:32 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

Could someone please give me (e-mail?) some detailed information on 
Fittipaldi? Is he a son of THE Fittipaldi?


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: Re: FYI - Indy Standings
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:49:24 GMT

In article <70327646625341@c00470-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.145613.23709@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu 
>(Lothar Dahlmeyer) writes:
>>11.	Mario Andretti			Lola-Cosworth		  6
>>11.	Michael Andretti		Lola-Cosworth		  6
>>11. 	Jim Vasser			Lola-Chevy		  6
>>14. 	Eric Bachelart			Lola-Cosworth		  5
>
>Oops!  Thanks for reminding me that I forgot to give Michael a point for the
>pole at Long Beach....
>
>--
>Jay C. Smith
>Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu  uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!eos!jcsmith
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Good.  For a minute I thought we were in trouble."

Nooo Problem!!

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From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Fittipaldi..
Keywords: known name..
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <timab.20@sofus.dhhalden.no>,
timab@sofus.dhhalden.no (TIM ALEXANDER BYE) writes:
|>
|>Could someone please give me (e-mail?) some detailed information on 
|>Fittipaldi? Is he a son of THE Fittipaldi?

Christian Fittipaldi is the son of Wilson Fittipaldi, Emerson Fittipaldi's
brother.  Christian is thus Emmo's nephew.  Wilson Fittipaldi is himself a
former F1 driver.

--PSW
From: gss@btcase.bt.co.uk (Graham Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 - water injection.
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:19:02 GMT
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger) writes:

>In article <3623@wyse.wyse.com> ken@wyse.wyse.com (Ken Drottar x2582 dept303) writes:

>>	   I think John is being VERY silly. Assuming that Leo
>>	   meant to express the latter, there is a very reasonable
>>	   explanation. It doesn't have much to do with water vapor.
>>	   It has to do with air temperature. When the air cools, it
>>	   is denser. The engine performs better for the same reasons
>>	   you would expect adding a turbo or a nitrous canister. The
>>	   air now has more oxygen in it. 

>Okay, but does wet air contain more or less oxygen than dry air? My
>understanding is that wet air is less dense since H20 molecules
>displace heavier O2 molecules. Actual oxygen content in the atmosphere
>is pretty narrowly constrained, at least in the part we live in, since
>people don't do too well below 19% or above 22% (memory there, correct
>me if I'm incorrect). Maybe the temperature effect is dominant but my
>guess is that the whole thing is quite a bit more complex than one
>might guess. 

To my understanding, the point of water injection was to raise the
apparent compression ratio without causing detonation.  THis is achieved
because the water, naturally, will not take part in the combustion
process.  The higher compression ratio (apparent) will make the engine
more efficient thermally without the need for illegal, higher octane
fuels.

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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: IMSA, IMSA where have you gone....
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:57:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.180403.4457@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079ql9q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Shane K Knapp) writes:
|> Hey......  Does anyone have ANY info on the IMSA GTP series?  We dont get cable
|> in the dorms here, and I don't have any time to watch TV.  How is the new Mazda
|> doing, if running at all, and what about the Intrepids?  Any reply would be
|> appreciated.  Thanks!
|> 
|> Shane Knapp
|> 
|> v079ql9q@ubvms.bitnet
|> v079ql9q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu

Well the Mazda GTP effort is not doing to well at this time, in fact they
haven't even been able to start a race let alone finish one. It seems they
have one MAJOR problem with the exhaust system, it keeps setting the car on 
fire! Do to the nature of the rotary engine and the enormous heat and noise
is generates IMSA has required the car to have a muffler on it. When Dykstra
designed the car he was able to make a very low a swoopy shell for the car
because the engine was so small, but unfortunetly this put it within close
proximity of the muffler, the car is fine when it is running but the minute
they pull into the pits it starts to burn the shell. I read in a interview
with the team manager that NASA is coming in with some solutions for there
heating problems, he also made mention that the car is a absolute dream and
he fully expects to be running at the front of the pact once the kinks are
ironed out. Time will tell.
-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mario brain fade (Long Beach spoiler warning)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:25:28 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


How about that preposterous crash involving Mario Andretti and Eddie Cheever
in the Long Beach race?  Mario claimed when interviewed that Cheever swerved
in on him, forcing him to choose between hitting the wall or running over
Cheever's right rear tire.  That is distinctly not what the replay showed.
In the view looking back from Cheever's car, we can see that Cheever kept
a straight line throughout the incident--no swerving.  However, we see Mario
taking and keeping to an inside line until he simply ran out of room for his
car, and it was too late to stand on the brakes, so he had to run over
Cheever to avoid crashing into the wall.  I can't see any excuse for that kind
of driving at this level of racing.

I don't imagine Ford was very pleased with Mario taking out two of the three
XB-engined cars, either.

--PSW
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: RE:F1:Magic fuels and more...
Organization: /u/mosquito/u00/joeh/.organization
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:16:27

In article <1992Apr8.130232.335@vaxsar.vassar.edu> altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes:

   I really don't think that banning exotic fuels is the way to go in
   F1.First of all,Shell,Elf,Agip and Mobil would have no reason to
   spend the millions that they invest every year,not only in research
   and production,but also in sponsorship fees for the big guys in
   F1,if FISA were to provide a standard type of fuel to all teams.

The fact that these companies remained in Formula One even when teams
were required to run standardized fuel kinda makes this seem a little
doubtful. Remeber, fuel standardization does not mean that all fuel is
made by the same company. If you choose something like aviation gas
then teams just run the commercial product make by whoever is
sponsoring them. Don't indy cars still run methanol? Aren't mobil and
texaco major indycar sponsors?



Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: F1 & IndyCar TV coverage (no spoilers here)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:59:35 GMT


Aaargh!!!  The ABC coverage of the IndyCar race gave away the result of
the F1 race, while the ESPN coverage of the F1 race told us who won the
IndyCar race.  This made it impossible to watch this coverage of these
two events in either order without getting a spoiler. I guess we aren't
supposed to be fans of both forms of racing, are we?

 Fortunately for me I expected something stupid like this.  Even more
fortunately my local cable system carries CKSH (Sherbrooke, Canada),
and they had ?live? coverage of the F1 race. The only disadvantage was
that the commentary was in French (or at least French-Canadian :-), and
it is many years since I spoke anything other than English.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Subject: Re: F1 GP - Brazil. Result - comments
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:42:42 GMT

Just in case some recluse hasn't heard the results yet....


Can someome post or email me the _entire_ finish order of the GP of Brazil?
My usually source decided to only give the top 12.  Here's what I've got:

GP of Brazil
 1. Mansell
 2. Patrese
 3. Schumaker
 4. Alesi
 5. Capelli
 6. Alboreto
 7. Morbidelli
 8. Lehto
 9. Katayama
10. Hakkinen
11. Tarquini
12. Wendlinger

Thanks in advance!!!

--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu