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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: copyrights, tabs and stuff
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:46:27 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

I read the post about tab music on ftp.utah.edu or what, so I zipped
up there and as someone else put it, there wasn't much CCM.  Recently
I dusted off my old guitar(s) and bought a book of praise music
(maranatha), good fun (boy, this stuff sure does use some funky
chords... ah yes an EflatMajor13, let me see.... :-)

Anywho, once I got major 13s and the like back in my memory banks, I
was thinking, gee it would be nice to share some of this in the
Wed. night home group.... I'll just xerox me a couple copies.....
:-(  

I suppose ripping off christian composers is wrong huh?  

Anywho, I also bought a praise book(s) by Hosanna/Integrity music.
These are little bitty books with fine (read I think I need glasses)
print.  Some of the songs are real strange, they have a title you
recognize, the first three - seven lines of the song are the same as
a song you know, the chords don't sound quite right, then, turn the
page and realize hey, this isn't the same song!!!!!!!  But for all
their faults they have a site license deal :-) :-) :-)  It is
called CCLI anywho, both churches I attend and street cry all are
licensees, all I have to do is when I xerox the music to put the
appropriate site license number on the copies.

They also have a nice correspondence between their praise CDs and
their music, so if you are having trouble unscrambling some of
their music, you can plunk down $12 or so for the appropriate
CD listen to it 60 or 80 times and you are in business!!!

Great, but you know how it is, the song you want to play is always
on a CD you neither have a site license or sheet music for.

Saturday past I woke up hearing maratha`s messianic praise CD, playing
in my head, so I stumbled downstairs and put on the disk. It occured to
me that I wanted to play the song: We choose the fear of the Lord.
So with my wife's help we picked out the notes and determined the
key (Cminor) and I put together a chord arrangment that works real well
for the verses, though the chorus isn't industrial strength.  Now,
where do I stand in a copyright manner?  Can I play the song?
Or knowing a bit more about this country than that, who can I pay
to play the song?  It is my arrangement at this point, I made no
effort to duplcate the chording they used, but it isn't my song.

I need help from someone who knows this kind of stuff!  Thanks!
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From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:09:38 GMT

>>As Christians, can we really do that?  Can we say that, "Well most of it
>>is ok, so it must be right."  I don't believe that we can. 
>
>Well, i think you miss my point.  If being around lots of non-Christians 
>offends you, don't go.  If your virgin ears can't stand to hear 'dirty words,'
>don't go.  If the consumption of alcohol offends you, don't go.  If you
>want to hear great rock and roll, go.  If you're a big U2 fan, go.  If you
>want to take part in a truly uplifting concert (at least for me), then go.
>
>I was making no call whatsoever about what percentage of the show was 
>'acceptible' and what wasn't.  It's not a church service, it's a rock and
>roll concert.  If you can't handle that then don't go.  But if the stuff
>that goes on at this particular concert offends you, then you'd better 
>keep yourself locked inside your safe little bubble and never venture out
>into the real world.

Paul said we should "avoid the appearance of evil."  I make no calls on
whether or not U2 is (or what parts are) right or wrong -- I haven't heard
much.  But I do know that Christians should not base their judgment calls
on what "offends" them.  Because the Bible also says the heart is
deceitful.  As Christians, we must live godly lives, avoiding evil
WHENEVER POSSIBLE (obviously it isn't possible to avoid it all the time).
We must focus on the spiritual things in life -- not go to rock and roll
concerts because they "sound good" but because they are spiritually
edifying as opposed to spiritually draining.  And no, the "neat" feeling
you get when you listen to a snappy tune is NOT spiritually edifying.
The Word of God is all that can fulfill us, spiritually, and all contrary to
that is spiritually draining.  Consumption of alcohol without moderation (or
with little moderation), dirty language, etc., is ungodly stuff -- Christians
shouldn't be messing around with that stuff.  Avoid it.

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From: dunne@plains.NoDak.edu (Joseph Dunne)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CD
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:23:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I am looking for the CD "Love at Any Cost" by Russ Hollingsworth.
It is currently out of print.

It contains the song "My Desire".  If you have it, or know of anyone
who has it, (Perferably in good condition)  and wants to sell it, please
contact me via e-mail.


I am willing to pay for the shipping.  

Thanks in advance.

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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Tourniquet/Deliverance
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.000320.1370@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.092757.2276@wkuvx1.bitnet> easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>Does anyone know when a new Tourniquet album is coming out?  And is
>>the Deliverance album in the stores now?
>
>A new Tourniquet album just came out in July or so andI think I did see the
>Deliverence CD the other day.  I'm getting pretty impatient for the new
>Believer...

The new Tourniquet isn't due out until October, you must've seen "Psycho
Surgery"... Believer will be out early 1993....


>
>BTW I just picked up Heavy Righteous Metal Chapter 2 on LP for 99 cents!!
>The first side with Xalt, The Crucified, Torn Flesh, and Legacy is really
>good and the Whitecross and Tempest on side 2 are pretty decent.  The stuff
>is a little old (1990, I think) but you can't beat the price.  Think I'll head
>back and check out the other 99 cent LPs they have.
>
>Finally I saw a tape by a band called B<something> that looked like a some
>sort of Christian death metal.  Can't remember the name exactly.  Does anyone
>have any info on this?
>
>-Rick

You're probably thinking of Betrayal, "Renaissance by Death" on Wonderland
Records... they're not death metal, just thrashized punk with some clean
speed...

Phil

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From: petra@pitt.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Allan Sawtelle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Carman concert info
Date: 15 Sep 1992 02:34:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I got a flier in my mail last week announcing two Carmen concerts in the
New England area this fall.  They are:

Friday Night, November 6, 1992:  7:00 pm  at the Centrum, 50 Foster Street,
	Worcester, MA

Saturday Night, Nov. 7, 1992: 7:00 pm at Bangor Auditorium, 100 Dutton Street,
	Bangor, ME

Admission is free.  For more info, call (918) 251-1016.

The flier also states, "A Love Offering will be taken for Carman's Ministry"
and "Due to limited seating all large groups should arrive early, preferably
1 1/2 hours before concert time."

This is the _Addicted_to_Jesus_ tour.

Please don't ask me for more concert info!  I only got this flier in the 
mail!  Well, okay, you can ask, but I won't answer.... ;)

		Jeanne
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From: pepsi@athena.mit.edu (Geoffrey R Gustafson)
Subject: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:01:03 GMT

I haven't read much of this group yet, but I imagine I will.  I just thought I'd
start off by listing some CD's I own (all of which I enjoy listening to), because they are such a range.  Anyone else
out there listen to completely opposite styles like this?

Both DC Talk CD's
Steven Curtis Chapman: More to This Life and The Great Adventure
Dynamic Twins: Word to the Wise
Steve Green: All six English CD's
Apocalypse: Holiness or Hell
Petra: Beyond Belief and Unseen Power

If anyone would like to joke with me about this, chat about any of the great
music, or discuss how TC it is (a term I believe I invented, Theologically
Correct), please do.  Grace and peace to you in the name of Christ Jesus,

						Geoff Gustafson
						pepsi@athena.mit.edu


P.P. (Post Post) -- hey, that's pretty funny

Is there a group where people talk about their recent devotions & stuff?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: What makes music "Christian"?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.230421.1700@hubcap.clemson.edu> mrayle@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>The referenced append brings up a good point: if a song isn't in sync with what
>we believe, we should throw it out...
> 
>But I'd like to pose a different question: WHAT MAKES MUSIC "CHRISTIAN"?

"Christian" is a noun, not an adjective.

When we start using the term "Christian" to describe actions or
characteristics, we reduce *being* a Christian to conforming to those
norms and standards, which misses the entire point.

Based on the posts I have read in this group, the thing that qualifies
music as "Christian" in most people's minds is:

1) The label that produces it
2) Occurrence of certain words or phrases in the lyrics
3) (less frequently) The musical genre

I treat all the music I listen to the same: if I enjoy the musical
expression, and I find the song worthwhile overall (e.g., I find no
reason to be offended by it), then I feel free to listen to it and
enjoy it.  They key is discernment.

What difference does it make who produces an album, or who plays on it,
or what kind of music it is?  Just because a song is considered
"Christian" for the above reasons doesn't mean that you can just
blindly accept the lyrical content, for example.  You must still
evaluate it.

If calling a song or record label "Christian" doesn't excuse you from
the discernment process, what's the point to calling it "Christian" in
the first place?  Now, calling the *artist* a Christian is a different
matter, but that means something different...
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: KJV Trivia (was: Interpretation)
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:01:04 GMT

Go to Psalms 46 and, starting at the begining, count up to the 46th word. Now,
start at the end and count backwards 46 words. (NOTE: Ignore any and all 
"selah"'s in the Psalm, which are italicized anyway because no one is really
sure what they mean). I'll post the rest of the story in a couple of days
(after people have had a chance to try it).

Topher
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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: No Grave Concern........fall '92
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:35:18 GMT

In article <11SEP199212215236@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes...
u >>Why, Terry, are you hosting? 
>
>of course I'm hosting! :)  I'm doing it with a friend of mine this year
>instead of all by myself like I did last semester.  Hopefully this will
>help keep a more entertaining banter in between songs instead of just
>having me give mostly informational tidbits.


Cool deal! Keep me updated!

>
>>I want one, only if you got some coooool
>>industrial stuff like Circle of Dust, Arbitrage and Global Wave System
>>(that's for you, Christian E!)...
>
>Phil! You should know better than to question me on the area of industrial
>stuff! Of course I'll be playing cooooool industrial stuff!!! (Although I
>don't have CoD yet, and I don't have Arbitrage either.)  
>
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>@  (%&    *$@    )*&%&(  # /_/\/\  |    Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool    $
>&  $#% #& (&* (@ $%^$@*  & \_\  /  | TLL6551@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU  TLL6551@TAMZEUS &
>#  ($%    #$*    @#*     @ /_/  \  |----------------------------------------@
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>(  @#$^$*%^#$%&#$*       %    \_\/ |             and it's not even funny.   $
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You can always write and see about getting information: Circle of Dust, PO
Box 305, Bethpage, NY  11714-0305

and Arbitrage, 1319 Front St., Lynden, WA  98264...

Tell each of them you hear it from me!

Phil

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From: ibrahim@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Naweeble wobble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's upcoming albums
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:00:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>I looked in an "upcoming releases" listing somewhere, and discovered Amy Grant
>had a new album coming out in early October (I think it was the 6th) called
>"Home For Christmas."  However, I also saw, in the same listing, *another*
>album coming out in December 1992, the title of which was not available.
>Does anybody know anything about this?  Surely it can't be two new albums of
>new songs released so closely together!?  Perhaps an "In Concert" type tape,
>or another collection of sorts...?

I'm sorry.  This is my fault.  A long time ago, I emailed the guy who
compiles this list of new music and told him about a new AG album, which
I thought was coming out in Dec.  Apparently, it is not.  So, she
has only one new album, which is coming out in October.  I will email
him as soon as I find his address and tell him of my mistake.  Sorry
to cause so much anxiety...

nabeel
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From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Interpretation
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:02:30 GMT

>Her/their purification:
>   I don't know about Aramaic or Koine Greek, but in Spanish, the same word is 
>used for the singular and plural third person possessive.  "Su" can mean his,
>her, or their.  A lack of specificity in the original language could cause
>this difference in translations.  It's not necessarily an attack on the
>sinlessness of Jesus.  Another point to consider: for most sacrifices, the
>animal being sacrificed was also put through a ritual purification.  This
>could account for the plural use in the modern version.

A thought I hadn't yet heard.  Interesting, though I don't think it is quite
right, the way the Leviticus excerpt is phrased.

>Several examples of a phrase appearing in the KJV but not the NIV, NKJV, NASB,
>or other modern translations:
>   Check your KJV.  If the phrase is in italics, it was added by the 
>translators to make the meaning clearer.  Without those italicized phrases,
>the text could mean two or three slightly different things.  The interpreters
>filled in what they thought best clarified it based on their knowledge of the
>original languages' conventions and quirks.

This I have to pick up on, however.  The italicized words aren't there,
really, for clarification, they are there to show what Hebrew and Greek could
say in less words.

For example:  lots of times the words "he" and "she" are often inserted to
clarify gender.  But clarification in the original languages aren't necessary,
since, I believe, the spelling of adjectives and verbs reveals the gender of
whatever is being talked about.  Something like in French, where an extra 'e'
is added to adjectives when they refer to something feminine.

Another thing is the words "and", "but", and "even" are all the same word.
I'm not clear about this, as I don't really remember the explanation, but lots
of times this word wasn't used where it would be required in English.  Still
means the same thing.
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From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Subject: Re: Bryan Duncan concert and new album
Organization: Micronav International
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.203800.9014@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu writes:
>My wife and I went to see Bryan Duncan in concert Saturday and I just 
>thought I'd give a little review:

>Man, does that guy have energy!  He was with his Econo-band (soundtracks)
>and his synthesizer.  He was all over the place, though.  And of course,
>he was dressed rather loudly (a purple and black suit).  He put on an
>excellent show.  Most of the stuff he did was off Strong Medicine and 
>Lunatic Friend, although he did do one cut off of Holy Rollin' (as his
>last song before his encore).

>He's a very funny guy, and I talked to his road manager, and he said Bryan
>is different every night - you never know what he'll do next.

>Also, he mentioned he will have a new album out in October called Mercy.


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I just saw Bryan Duncan at Kingdom Bound '92 and yes, he is very funny.  He 
and his band performed a couple of songs from his new album (for the first 
time) and he ended up forgetting some of the lyrics.  He just laughed and 
said "That's why we keep writing new songs - because I can't remember the 
old ones!".  His new material sounds really great and I can't wait for the 
album.

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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Sam Phillips
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:14:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.Bu2r48.9Bn
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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Paul M. Franceus (pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil.) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep3.221510.8279@ucunix.san.uc.edu> tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu  
: (Michael David Toth) writes:
: > In article <1992Sep2.151324.13843@afterlife.ncsc.mil>  
: pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil. (Paul M. Franceus) writes:
: > >I would be intersted in the lyrics as well, especially to "remorse"  I have
: > >been trying to figure them out for 3 years!
: > >
: > Well, kids, here are a couple of transcriptions of some songs, done last
: > night by yours truly JUST FOR YOU! :-) When I saw her live on her tour with
: > Bruce Cockburn, I made it a point to listen for those tricky lyrics.
: > For example, the line "a tightened grip is our mistake as we're trying
: > to hold on...to the earth" was quite the lightining flash for me.  Words
: 
: Hey- that actually fits- I never got that one either - Now does anyone have
: chords/guitar tabs for any of this.  I will post the chords from "Private
: Storm" of of "Cruel Inventions" if any one is interested...

please do - i'll take any christian tab I can get!

thanks,

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Street cry summer over
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:21:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.161334.6992@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>Hi, I am a volunteer worker at Street Cry, a christian music outreach
>ministry.  The last weekly concert was last Saturday (snow white)
>and they were certainly a blessing.  We now switch to the winter
>schedule (once a month, last Sat. of month starting OCT)
>
>I ask your help in locating christian bands who would be willing to
>tour to Fredericksburg VA.  We can't pay them per se, but we ask
>$3 - 5.00 donation at the door and this is used to bless the band.
>Street Cry is fire code rated for 149 people, but seating maxes closer
>to 60.   We try to offer a mix of musical styles so that isn't a
>problem.
>
>This was a good summer and bands included Carribean Praise, the Throes,
>Full Armor and Harry & the Measles.  We were also able to host Greg
>Voltz at the Colonial theater across the street in conjuction with
>the Billy Graham crusade.
>
>
>
>
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I didn't know Street Cry was still doing any concerts at all..
interesting.. I'm now helping out Bender's in Manassas put on some
Christian shows (it's closer to my house)... BTW tell everyone down there
that Cephas is now out!

The new issue that is...

Phil

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