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From: nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (nancy.e.ellard-vass)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Fort Monmouth, NJ
Keywords: food, german
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:12:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Aug19.121214.1289
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <otruba.74.714090906@mitre.org>, otruba@mitre.org (Steve Otruba) writes:
> Its been a few years but when I was going down to Fort Monmouth fairly
> regularly my favorite restaurant was the Little Kraut in Red Bank.
> It is a Swiss German place run by a Cordon Blue trained chef.  Unfortunately
> I don't have the address handy but it was right across from the train 
> station.  The restaurant is very nice and they have a very nice "Biergarten"
> The food is excellant and for what its worth its one of the few German
> restaurant I've seen in the US that make Kalbshaxe...

As a "local" in the Fort Monmouth area, I have to disagree. I had an
argument with the obnoxious owner (Dieter). My husband and I went there
several years ago. First of all its a small place with the coat rack
right by the door. The owner asked if I wanted to leave my coat by the door and I said "no thanks". We were shoved in a corner with an equally obnoxious
waiter. We ordered Sauerbratten, 2 drinks each and the bill came to $80!
Its not that I have never paid that much (I have and more), but the waiter
had to pass our dinner to another table to pass it to us. Each drink was
$6.50 each! (2 black russians and 2 budweisers). I asked the owner how he
gets away with it and he said "I can do whatever I want". Even if a dinner
was free there I will NEVER go there again. Also I was still hungry when
I walked out of the place.

Nancy
Organization: Public Relations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:53:12 -0400 
From: Saul Markowitz <sm6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Middleburg, VA

I'll be visiting Middleburg, VA this weekend and in some need of some
names of restaurants.  I'll only need a nice restaurant to visit
Saturday evening.  My main reason going is to visit the numerous Antique
Stores and also view the countryside/estate homes.  However, I want to
make the trip memorable with a nice, semi-formal dinner.  Any
suggestions?

Thanks,

Beth 
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
From: kiran@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: ISO Bar-B-Q
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:36:07 GMT

Robert Roxby <RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Has anyone ever found a good Barbeque restaurant outside of the
>South?  Even a passable one?

Yes.  Barbecue Ground Zero is well out of the South, it is in Kansas City.  

I found a womderful joint in Vermont, west of Brattleboro on 9.  
Green Mountain  Vittles, well worth the drive.  Also, their nephew has 
opened Beal Street Barbecue in Freeport, ME.

I am working on a full review of GMV, but don't wait, drive up there 
and have some. 
-- 
	...kiran
		______kiran@copper.ucs.indiana.edu______(812) 332-5589 

From the corrections column in a July Fresno, CA _Bee_:
From: paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: NY Eats
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: Paul Havlak <paco@cs.rice.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Research on Parallel Computations

Ok, I'll take you up on it.

The two of us are taking a poor-folk's trip back east, and may be able
to stop in New York on our way between other points where we can stay.

Given half a day in New York, where would you eat?  We're looking for
one street-food lunch -- e.g., pizza -- near Penn Station, and dinner
anywhere conveniently and not too dangerously reachable by subway.

Focusing on dinner, what's the best $50 meal for two that can be found
nowhere else (or at least not in Houston)?  Southwestern, Mexican,
Tex-Mex, Barbecue, Thai, Indian, and Vietnamese are right out; these
are excellent in Houston and we'd like to try something new.

How about Italian, Chinese, or Caribbean?  Or something completely
novel?  Can you recommend entrees as well as restaurants?

thanks,
paco

P.S.  Other stops are the Blue Ridge Parkway, DC, Philly, and possibly
Boston.  If you post on food in these other areas, please change the
subject lines accordingly.  Thanks again!
--
Paul Havlak			Dept. of Computer Science
Graduate Student		Rice University, Houston TX 77251-1892
PFC/ParaScope projects		(713) 527-8101 x2738 	paco@cs.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Need help on where to eat Cajun in the New Orleans area
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:18:31 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes about food in NOLA:

>We liked Mother's for breakfast or lunch--no atmosphere, but good food--

Mother's is hardly cajun, but it is wonderful. Bowls of cracklins, the
debris sandwich (bits of roast beef that have fallen off the roast and
simmered all day) a baked ham and burnt ends I was unable to try.
Serious foodie pig-out heaven.  Went twice, rolled home from Nolacon...

>and Olde New Awlins for dinner--the food is great and the service
Indeed. Very nice. (Is it Old N'awlins Cookery?)

Also The New Cafe Sbisa (est 1899) for soft-shelled crawfish, duck in
green peppercorn sauce, and soft-shelled crab almondine.  Exquisite.
The Chocolate Sin cake is a great way to finish, and do ask for a copy
of the recipe.

>Cafe du Monde for beignets and coffee seems to be a tradition.
It is, but I don't know why.

I'm surprised you did not mention the most famous Cajun spot in
Nawlins, K-Paul's.  I didn't go there when I was there, but only
because I had not yet experienced his recipes.  After cooking from
paul Prudhomme's cookbooks, I am willing to recommend his place on
principle. 
-- 
Kiran Wagle                             <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
P.O.Box 2083 Bloomington IN 47402-2083      (812) 336-7478 [8p-1a EST]
From: kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Looking for Boston BYOB places
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:41:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.165118.21811@webo.dg.com> greenway@esparc30.webo.dg.com  
(RSG) writes:
> Are there any good BYOB places in the Boston/Cambridge/west-suburbs area?

Are you looking for any particular cuisine?

Karen
Xref: sparky rec.food.restaurants:1794 rec.food.veg:7879
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 14:45:32 MST
From: <IDSAW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants,rec.food.veg
Subject:    Breakfast in/around Los Angeles

Looking for good, hearty breakfast, preferably those that serve fresh
baked goods or have unique menus (and good coffee too).

Thanks.

Shirley Woods
Arizona State University
Xref: sparky rec.food.restaurants:1823 rec.food.cooking:15060
From: john@nmt.edu (John Shipman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants,rec.food.cooking
Subject: Why people eat spicy-hot food
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:12:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Aug21.061209.6762
Organization: Zoological Data Processing

Someone in ba.food asked why people deliberately eat very
spicy food.  I am crossposting this reply more widely
because it's a Frequently Asked Question in my experience.

My friend Dr. Frank Etscorn, a psychopharmacologist at New
Mexico Tech (and inventor of the nicotine transderm), has
done considerable research into the physiological basis
of capsaicin addiction.

Capsaicin is the chemical in chiles [1] that gives you the
burn.  No one starts out liking heat, it's definitely an
acquired taste.  When I started school at New Mexico Tech, I
couldn't stand it.  But since chiles were everywhere
(especially in the cafeteria), I got used to it, and
eventually got to be quite hooked.

Dr. Etscorn has devised an experimental procedure that
proves that the basis of chile addiction is that the heat
releases endorphins, the heroin-like natural painkillers
that are also said to cause addiction to strenuous exercise.

He divides a group of chile addicts into two groups.  The
control group eats a bunch of hot food and then they sit
around with big grins on their faces.  The experimental
group is given a drug that blocks the action of endorphins,
and it wipes the grins off *their* faces in a big hurry.
Suddenly they are in the kind of pain that someone from
Cincinnati would experience if they drank from a bottle of
tabasco.

[1] Spelling flame note: in New Mexico we spell the word
"chile" because that's how the Spanish word for the fruit is
spelled.  "Chili" is not Mexican food, it's something they
eat in Cincinnati and other gringo towns.  Rowena Baca,
co-owner of the Owl Bar in San Antonio, NM (home of the
world's finest green chile cheeseburger and, IMHO, the
world's best burger, period), refers to "chili" as "gringo
bean soup."  Order a bowl of chile in *her* establishment
and you get a bowl of green chiles with just a tiny bit of
ground meat and garlic for flavor.  You want beans [2], you
order beans.

[2] While we're on the subject of beans, her beans don't
give you gas.  To prevent flatus, soak dried pinto beans
overnight, then discard the soaking water and add fresh
water for cooking.
-- 
John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, NM/john@jupiter.nmt.edu
``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber
Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:49:44 -0400 
From: "Mary R. Jensen" <mj0v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Need help on where to eat Cajun in the New Orleans area

I've never tried it, but I have an ad for the St. Charles Guest House
B&B at 1748 Prytania Street in NO (504) 523-6556 described as "simple,
cozy and affordable . . . on streetcar line, 10 minutes to downtown and
Quarter" with singles starting at $42 and doubles at $48, $55.  The ads
also include favorable clippings from several national hotel reviews. 
The St. Charles Guest House is "frequented by artists, writers and
university people" who use the outside "patio and pool shaded by banana
trees and a complimentary continental breakfast."  It sounds wonderful. 
Has anybody tried it?
From: sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Janos in Tucson: A thank-you and a rave review
Keywords: Best restaurant ever!
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:54:22 GMT


Thanks to everyone who recommended Janos in Tucson. We had what was probably
the best meal we ever ate there!

What we liked best was the uniqueness of the dishes. There was not one
item on the menu that was like anything we had ever had before. Even the
pate' was made of goat cheese with peppers instead of liver. The cooking
is a delightful combination of Southwestern (with a slightly spicy
orientation), Asian and French. 

I started out with a dish of sauteed shitake mushrooms and scallops,
served in a brown sauce flavored with sherry and topped with sauteed
pieces of scallion. Then, after the house salad -- appropriately bland
but with a generous amount of freshly grated parmesan cheese -- I had
a breast of chicken which was baked prior to having a fine stuffing
inserted between the meat and the skin. Then it was grilled so the
stuffing and skin got crispy -- unbelievable. 

The dessert selection, again, was very different. Our daughter (the
beginning college student and the reason for the trip) was the only one
who succumbed. She ordered a fresh fruit plate that was magnificently
presented and included huge blackberries, slices of pineapple, kiwi,
etc. 

Too bad that after a day and a half of 106-degree heat my husband said that 
he won't return to Tucson till Kate graduates. Four years is too long to
wait between meals there! Oh, with a $20 bottle of wine, the bill came
to about $50 a person -- well worth it! 

Almost forgot to mention the ambience -- it's in a historic mansion in
downtown Tucson -- we ate in a high-ceilinged room whose adobe walls
were painted the color of brick. The entrance was flanked by two vases
that must have been 8 feet tall. The lighting was low and the plates were
pottery of different styles. No "matchies." All in all, a very restful
and soothing environmennt.

Again, thanks for the tip.

Peggy Sweeney
From: otruba@mitre.org (Steve Otruba)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Fort Monmouth, NJ
Keywords: food, german
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:35:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: What me organized

In article <23635@oasys.dt.navy.mil> obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek) writes:
>I'm going to be in the are of Fort Monmouth, NJ for two weeks, and would
>love to hear about a great place to eat in the area to offer a diversion
>from my dreary work there! I know the area is not exactly a mecca of
>culture, but any help anyone can give will be appreciated!!
>

Its been a few years but when I was going down to Fort Monmouth fairly
regularly my favorite restaurant was the Little Kraut in Red Bank.
It is a Swiss German place run by a Cordon Blue trained chef.  Unfortunately
I don't have the address handy but it was right across from the train 
station.  The restaurant is very nice and they have a very nice "Biergarten"
The food is excellant and for what its worth its one of the few German
restaurant I've seen in the US that make Kalbshaxe...

Enjoy...SteveO


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From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: 18 Aug 1992 14:18:12 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu

rpm@wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller) writes:

>Try the Berghoff, on Adams street (which runs into the Art Institute)
>about 2 1/2 blocks West of the Art Institute. Wonderful, reasonable
>German food.

I SECOND THAT!!!  Come to think of it, I'll third and fourth that
also.  

It's at 17 West Adams and they brew their own (WONDERFUL) beer AND you
MUST try the creamed spinach.

(Of course, now I'm hungry and it's a 2.5 hour drive - and if I left
now I'd get there just in time for lunch :^} )

--
Did ANYBODY get that?
 - Tequilla, Tequilla and Bonetti

    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
Catx2 Owned, Square Dancer, Leaper, Ballroom Dancer in training 
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
From: jms@watson.ibm.com (Joan Sagman)
Subject: Re: NY Eats
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:22:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center

Jeff:

I am with you.  I think NYC has an undeserved bad reputation and there are great restaurants with great value.  You just have to know where to look.  

As a resident who eats out often, I'd love to here your recommendations.  I could also provide some if you are interested.  So, as far as I'm concerned post, post, post!!!
-- 
Joan Sagman
jms@watson.ibm.com


Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: ISO Bar-B-Q
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:50:39 GMT

wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>In Denver CO.  There is a ribs and sausage place that is locally famous.
>The street its on, and its not a small street, is even named for the
>original owner of the place.  Ah, found the name, Daddy Bruce's on Bruce
>Randolf Street.  There also one in Boulder.

Nope. Daddy Bruce's is _nationally_ famous.  

And far as I've heard (right here) Daddy Bruce is still alive and cookin'.  

(I know nothing of a second location, btw.  Was planning to get out
there this summer, but, alas, am unable to.  I hope to get there while
Bruce is still around.)
-- 
Kiran Wagle                             <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
P.O.Box 2083 Bloomington IN 47402-2083      (812) 336-7478 [8p-1a EST]
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants,rec.travel
From: eris@tc.fluke.COM (Chris Beckmeyer)
Subject: Re: California restaurants?
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:36:24 GMT

In article <kiran.713069847@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>Chez Panisse, Berkeley.  Most famous restaurant outside of Paris.
>
>Stars in SF. Haven't been there, but woulda gone if I'd known it was
>
>Eureka Brewery (in SF?) is one of Wolfgang Puck's places.  (Puck and
>
>Cafe Beaujolais in Mendocino, for breakfast and dinner.  Call ahead
>
>India Joze in Santa Cruz. Famous for squid.  Calamari Festival in
>
>Henry Chung's Hunan Restaurant for smoked ham and string beans.  
>
>If you find any others, let us know.  I won't be doing a food tour out
>ther this year, alas.  (It was the east coast this time.  Soon it will
>be Memphis for barbecue and southern/soul food.)

little joe's in north beach (SF), italian.  i know of locals who bicycle
50 miles for dinner.
From: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Philly Eats (was Re: NY Eats)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:36:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <PACO.92Aug12180945@legia.cs.rice.edu>,
 paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak) asks for good-but-cheap (or reasonable)
places to eat for a "poor man's swing" through the East.

Since you plan to stop in Philadelphia, a few suggestions:

_Street food_:  Cheesesteak.  Yes, it's loaded with cholesterol, but it's the
*essential* Philly fast food, and you should have at least one while you're
in the city where it was invented.

For atmosphere, you can't beat the corner of 9th and Passyunk Avenue, where
Pat's (the originator) and Geno's conduct a friendly rivalry at the foot of
the Italian Market.  But, IMO, the best-quality steaks are to be had at
Jim's, 4th and South Streets.  (BTW:  The standard variety uses Cheez Whiz.
You can get real cheese for a little bit more at most places.)

_Luxury you can afford_:  This city is chock full of excellent restaurants
serving "nouvelle" Italian cuisine for not-too-expensive prices: with
careful ordering, you should be able to eat at any of the ones listed below
for $50 or less for two, and at some of these, your $50 gets you the run of
the menu:

  --Girasole, 1305 Locust Street
  --Marabella's, 1420 Locust Street and 17th and Ben Franklin Parkway
  --Mezzanotte, 17th and Green Streets (Be careful after dark if you
                                       decide to walk or take the bus here)

There are numerous other good Italian restaurants in the 9th Street (Italian)
Market area whose names escape me.

_You won't find this back home_:  There is a little restaurant in the 100
block of Chestnut Street in Old City called Kabul that specializes in Afghan
cuisine.  The cuisine uses mixtures of herbs and spices to great effect, and
there are dishes for every taste.  Best of all, dinner for two there will 
probably run you $30 at most -- but it's BYOB.  (Before you visit Philly,
you should have a wine-lover advise you about the vagaries of our state-run
liquor-store system.)

Hope this helps.
___________________
Sandy F. Smith, Jr.
Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
Internet: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu
 
"The God I serve don't make no trash!" -- Rev. Emanuel Cleaver, Mayor, City
of Kansas City, Mo.
From: obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Fort Monmouth, NJ
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:33:41 GMT
Reply-To: obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I'm going to be in the are of Fort Monmouth, NJ for two weeks, and would
love to hear about a great place to eat in the area to offer a diversion
from my dreary work there! I know the area is not exactly a mecca of
culture, but any help anyone can give will be appreciated!!


Brenda O'Busek                       |     "Today is only yesterday's
obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil             |      tomorrow"
				     |
Advanced Information Systems         |                      U. Heep
Carderock Division, Naval Surface    |
Warfare Center                       |
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants,rec.food.cooking
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Why do people like hot-spicy food?
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:15:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.002317.9653@nmt.edu>, john@nmt.edu (John Shipman) writes:
> 
> [2] While we're on the subject of beans, her beans don't
> give you gas.  To prevent flatus, soak dried pinto beans
> overnight, then discard the soaking water and add fresh
> water for cooking.

According to a Time/Life cookbook, the substance that gives you gas
is a mild toxin that is denatured by heat.  So to avoid getting gas,
boil your beans for a good ten minutes sometime while you're cooking them.
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                        
arielle@taronga.com                           
  "We are the beaters that scramble your eggmen.  We are..." 
                    "Really dumb." -- The Darkwing Squad and Steelbeak
From: jlang@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: NY Eats
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:47:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


Hey! Doesn't anyone come to NYC anymore?  If there is a demand, I would be more than willing to give my $.02 on the local cuisine.  Not just good food here
but some great values too.  Let me know and I'll let you know!
                           Jeff
			jlang@wissel.stern.nyu.edu
From: jlang@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: NY Eats 1
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:49:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


In response to the requests for good food at good prices in NY I'll begin
with one of my favorite old stand bys: Benny's Burittos, located at the corner of Avenue A and 6 street.

	If you love Tex-mex than you've got to get over to Benny's which 
actually describes itself as SF-Mex.  The burritos here are huge, we're 
talking two handers here!  And they are filled with rice, beans, black or pinto
jack cheese, guaocamole, ect.  We like to think as them as kitchen sink 
burittos.  If I understand correctly everything is homemade.  My personal 
fav is the Mission(veggie 5.50) however I've also been known to down a Bay
(w/Beef or Chicken 6.25) with equal vigor.  Although burittos are the 
featured attraction, the quesadillas and other mex fare is top notch and
wallet friendly.  As far as appetizers go I usually go for the nachos which
are also pretty top notch.  Watch the specials, they almost always have
something that looks good.  EX. lately they've been offering a seafood 
burrito which I have not tried but heard good things about.  
	I've never tried their desserts, but my reccomendation is to walk over
to Venneiro's (1st Ave & 11 St.) for the best pastry in NYC, my fav being the
chocolate-chocolate canolli, though traditionalists and non-chocolate lovers 
are well taken care of too.
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Fort Monmouth, NJ
Keywords: food, german
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <1992Aug19.121214.1289@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (nancy.e.ellard-vass) writes:

	Insert bad review of Little Kraut here...

I have heard similar bad stories of the Little Kraut from friends of mine
who still live in Monmouth County. It's always been pricey and now it seems
the food has gone to hell also.

For OK German food with a great view of the NY skyline across Sandy Hook
Bay, try the Hofbrau House on the Scenic Drive between Atlantic Highlands
and Highlands. The place is a lot of fun during Octoberfest. And it's a
heck of a lot cheaper than the Little Kraut!

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com