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From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:44:25 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green) writes:
>>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>
>>>   To me, an A3000 with an AGA board would be infinitely more preferable than
>>>an A4000,
>>
>>To me it would be an overpriced hack. The key word here is OVERPRICED.

[pricelist deleted]

>    Sure, the A4000 also has an '040, but for my purposes I don't need an
> '040.  The resulting system, but upgrading the A3000, is MUCH nicer, with a
> better-looking case and a far more integrated system (more on the motherboard
> and less on plug-in cards means more reliability).  It also has some
> capabilities that the A4000 does not have, namely multiprocessing capability
> if an '040 card is added to the CPU slot.  Finally, it is every bit as
> upgradable to '060 cards as the A4000 is.

        Since I'm the person who has been taking about A3000's and multi-
processing, perhaps I'd better set you straight Marc.

        1. While the 'local bus' has many of the required facilities, it
does not have *all* of the hardware requirements to support multi-processing.
Firstly, there's the consideration of bus contention, and the logic required
to alleviate such situations.

        2. The core of the OS, known as EXEC, would require a *TOTAL*
re-write to support multi-processor configurations. But then, who says you
have to run the Amiga OS.

        3. A peer to peer multiprocessor environment using an 040 and an
030 would not be a very efficient setup. The 030 would be a millstone
around the 040's "kneck". Parallel 030's perhaps, but it would not be
very economical. As I pointed out, Sony has made unix workstations using
parallel 030's but they eventually moved to RISC cpu's because of the
less complex design and better performance from a single processor.

        As for any of the current 040 cards being able to support
multi-processing, only in your dreams Marc.

        Another approach may be to develop a card which works in
a similar fashion to (damn, I've forgotten it's name) that 040 Mac
card that lets you run a virtual Mac on the card. The card and the
motherboard CPU don't share tasks, from a logical point of view they
run seperately, like a Bridgeboard on an Amiga. Of course, you don't
need the local bus to follow this approach, the Zorro bus would be
just as good.

           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:23:04 GMT

In article <10610@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>>If there is a hole in Commodore's product line... 

>That's why we will probably see an A4000/EC030 first. Now, will this
>fill your "hole"?

Somewhere there's a lobotomy joke in here just waiting to happen :).
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:25:08 GMT
Organization: Commodore Germany

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In article <1993Jan26.162343.14030@fcom.cc.utah.edu> carl@jordan.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:
>In article <10583@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>
>>ago. Thus also electricity is no solution either, as you have to produce
>>it in powerstations that a) produce masses of carbon dioxide either, or
>>b) are nuclear and will transform the whole world into Tchernobyl area
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>earlier or later.
>
>I don't believe fission is the ultimate answer to our energy problems, but your
>statement above is ludicrous (IMHO).  Do you know anything about MODERN reactor
>design (not Chernobyl) or do you just believe everything you hear in the media?

Well, I know about prototype reactors (already bigger ones) built here
with "inherent safety", where the nuclear material was inclosed in
graphite balls, all in a Helium gas stream for cooling, operating at very
high temperatures. The conditions were set up in a way that when cooling
failed also the conditions for fission get worse so that there theoretically
never was a chance for a meltdown. Great theory. In practice, this reactor
type indeed didn't melt, but also didn't work, it was defective practically
all the time. They couldn't really control those graphite balls, they broke
or even mysteriously vanished!

>BTW, I agree that harnessing energy from the sun is the ultimate goal for an
>energy source, but for now nuclear power is one of the most environmentally
>safe major sources of energy available today.

But don't forget the trouble with nuclear waste. I read enough stories
about diverse companies in your country, and mine, and in Russia, how they
do it wrong. And this aspect also breaks the concept of fusion reactors
when they perhaps sometimes get ready producing energy. Also this type
of reactors will generate huge streams of neutrons, contaminating all the
material used in such a reactor. And the material will have to be exchanged
very often, because it degrades fast in such a neutron flow.

For me, there are really only two ways for future energy politics:
a) cut down drastically the waste of energy (saves perhaps 50 or even
80 %, I said *perhaps*!); b) solar energy.

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: CFV: comp.sys.marc.n.barrett
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:42:49 GMT

In article <C15v2H.D14@cs.mcgill.ca>, storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider) writes:
|> 
|> Please send mail to either yesmnb@nisac.com, nomnb@htw.org or 
|> diediedie@death.hell.edu...
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey! That's where *I* go to school!

9)


|> ToodlepiP!
|> Marc 'em
|> 
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|>       Yeegeheeegenogohugu who possessed me whilst I munched on Raisin Bran.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:58:06 GMT
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In article <1993Jan28.184701.10331@ifi.uio.no>, Stig Arne Olsen (stigo@ifi.uio.no) wrote:

: Can we draw the conclusion from the previous postings that the probability
: of C= cutting the prices for the AGA machines is the same as the
: probability of some nuclear power plant blowing up?

Yup.  Mark that "extremely likely", over a period of time.  :)

Greg

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:16:18 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1993Jan27.101313.22488@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>interface.  The truly naive user won't need COMMAND.COM at all.
>
>This brings up a big complaint of mine about Windows.
>
>Because the arrangement of icons in the Program Manager bears no relation to
>the structure of the filesystem, many naive Windows users have no idea what a
>directory is, and don't use them to organise their work.  They get away with
>this mess because they don't see all the "behind the scenes" files in, eg.,
>their Excel directory (the example isn't random - a couple of Excel users at
>work come to mind).  So, they happily store their worksheets in said directory.
>This doesn't worry them, because the file requestor only shows them "*.xl?"
>files, so they're blithely unaware of what a mess they're making.
>
>If Windows didn't make this stupid distinction between file and program
>management, we'd be a lot better off.

Well, I see this a lot even with command-line users.  I know some
people who are apparently unaware that commands like "dir" and "del"
(or "ls" and "rm" for that matter) exist.  They are completely unaware
that they are supposed to store their work files in their own personal
directory, and NOT in the application directories, or the root
directory, or somebody elses directory, or...

About the only cure for these people, other than euthanasia, is to
have a multiuser OS with file permissions.  That way, they can only
screw up their own directories.

Paul
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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:41:26 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


 torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:
>
     [argument about multi-sourced chips vs. Alpha deleted]

     This is all kind of moot because DEC _is_ planning to multi-source the
Alpha soon after they get their own line of machines onto the market.



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From: pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:59:53 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
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In article <10549@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <2187@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
> >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
> >
> >: Now there are more game sales on the MACINTOSH than on the Amiga!
> >
> >: IBM 82%, Mac 8%, Amiga 6%
> >
> >How is it worldwide? Mac is hardly never mentioned in games magazines
> >here in Europe.
>
>What is a Mac?
>
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>Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!

Isn't A Mac something you wear when it's raining?

Actually it supprises me that some people are so far gone that they believe
that a moulded flexible piece of plastic can run software and  yet have not
been locked up in a nice padded room :-)

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:54:11 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <C1AJL4.M6F@starnine.com>, Mike Haas (mikeh@starnine.com) wrote:

: He already has.  He's lifted the abortion "laws", and he's going to
: allow homosexuality in the military.  As he said.  Getting rid of the
: national debt _IS_ something for the mainstream American, and if you
: can't see why, you're in need of some serious help.

Really?  He's pulled these laws after what, three days in office?

: Most importantly, maybe this'll mean the end of deficit spending.
Excuse me if I don't type much, but I'm too busy rolling on the floor in 
laughter...


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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:45:36 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:

>Where do you get your information?  I've used spaces in file names
>since 1.2, all you gotta do is type it.  As far as I know AmigaDOS
>has ALWAYS supported spaces in file names.   Think the only reserved
>characters in AmigaDOS are "#", "?", ":", ";", "*", "'", and "%".
>These characters are reserved for the filesystem.  To quote from 
>the AmigaDOS manual:

>	While you can insert spaces in names, you should avoid
>   	them. . . .  It is generally better to use an underscore 
>  	(_) or period (.) as a seperator.

  Wait a second here, you quoted from the AmigaDOS manual and you got the
reserved characters wrong?  Jeez, Jason!

  Only the '/' and the ':' cannot be used in a filename...

  -jack-
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:31:55 EST
From: Chris "Slothman" Stoy <CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Electric cars and Al Gore

In article <C1F5D8.M6C@mach1.wlu.ca>, mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
says:
>
>As an aside, I really feel that much more emphasis (and funding) should
>be put into mass transit. The cost of gas should be taxed up to $10 per gallon
>and the revenue should be put into useful light rail and buss systems...
>
>Phil Martin.
>

Ok, tax gas up to $10 a gallon and watch the economy crumble.  By doing this
you would make it practicaly imposible for the average citizen to use their
car.  Not to mention the fact that any highway transport would become so
expensive that it would drive the cost of EVERYTHING up, leaving less money
for consumers to spend on the outrageously priced gas thereby preventing them
from going to the mall or shopping centers to buy things, leaving less money
for businesses to pay for overland transport causing them to raise prices, etc.

However, I do agree that mass transit is very important and should be better
supported, especially in cities were car traffic is enormous.  High-speed rail
would solve a lot of commutting problems from rural areas to larger cities.
Also, buses can be made more efficient and cleaner.  This is not something that
can be done overnight, but it is something that can be taken off the drawing
boards now and introducedinto the economy.  Maybe a small tax on gas would be
acceptable.  Something like $.10 a gallon would probably be enough to get mass
transit systems up and running.

Just my $10 worth...


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From: dusek@cadsun.corp.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Software Research and Development, Rolling Meadows, IL. 60008
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:38:15 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>advocacy groups always invite others to join in.  If you don't like what
>someone is saying here, prove them wrong, put them in your killfile, or get
>out of the group.  The fact that you created the group does not add any
>credibility or justification for your flaming and mudslinging.

	The first advocacy (this one) was created because pee-ceeers and
mac people would start flame wars in the regular newsgroups. So this group
was created to keep the flames here. Flaming and mudslinging belong here.

James Dusek
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:57:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.053223.23394@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
>one subdirectory level?

Yes, I just did the following:

10.Ram Disk:> mkdir foo
10.Ram Disk:> cd foo
10.Ram Disk:foo> mkdir foofoo
10.Ram Disk:foo> rename foofoo /
Renaming foofoo as Ram Disk:foofoo
10.Ram Disk:foo> cd /
10.Ram Disk:> ls
Clipboards  ENV  foo  foofoo  T  *  disk.info
10.Ram Disk:>         

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:25:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.010843.8568@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>And while I'm at it, just what kind of characters does AmigaDOS *not* allow in
>file and directory names?  Hmm.  Is there a way to get around to having spaces
>in file and directory names? <insert rest of sentence here>

Where do you get your information?  I've used spaces in file names
since 1.2, all you gotta do is type it.  As far as I know AmigaDOS
has ALWAYS supported spaces in file names.   Think the only reserved
characters in AmigaDOS are "#", "?", ":", ";", "*", "'", and "%".
These characters are reserved for the filesystem.  To quote from 
the AmigaDOS manual:

	While you can insert spaces in names, you should avoid
   	them. . . .  It is generally better to use an underscore 
  	(_) or period (.) as a seperator.

Again:  where do you get your information?

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:42:08 GMT
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: In article <93024.135209MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
: >In article <1993Jan24.101614.14124@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu
: >>The fact that global warming, aka the "greenhouse effect" doesn't exist/is not
: >>happening notwithstanding...
: >
: >The fact is that it is NOT a "fact" that global warming does not exist.
: >Global warming is still being debated. There is some evidence for it and
: >a method by which it may be happening, but not enough evidence to really
: >prove it. YET.

: 	There is evidence that also suggests that it may be global warming,
: ad it may be a cyclic cycle natural to Earth, such as how the number of 
: solar flares every year is in a cyclic steady climb.

: 	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
: risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.

You're kidding... I thought it was getting cooler...

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From: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:18:24 GMT
Reply-To: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan27.152832.1261@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: [Andy built a BridgeBoard...]
>:
>Yes, it's an impressive effort, that no doubt MANY people worked on.

Please, Jerry. Now you are assuming that you know our organization and
culture. In fact, products are developed by very small teams here.

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