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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:24:29 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Beggars / Robbers

Reading about beggars reminded me of the following story, which is not
about a beggar but, about a robber.

Stick 'Em Up       ....
     A young man named Ondie decided to rob a local convenience store.
He walked into the store with his loaded pistol and told the lady behind
the counter to give him all the money in the cash register. She answered
"Silver and Gold have I none, but what I have I will give to you."
Stunned, Ondie said, "Lady, this gun is loaded and I could kill you
now." She boldly replied, " Sudden death is sudden glory   " Ondie was
so surprised and frustrated that he just turned ot leave. The lady then
said "Come back here, young man, I'm not done with you yet " When Ondie
turned around, the lady handed him a Gospel tract and told him to read
it.  Later in life, he did accept Christ, and Evangelist Ondie Brum
still carries that Gospel tract with him as the travels and preaches all
across the country.
My 2  worth.
This story makes me think that the Lord is possibly giving us the
opportunity to share his word with beggars when they ask for money,
the same way he made it possible for the store clerk to share with Ondie
  Although I have not in the past, I am going to pray about sharing
Jesus with 'people in need' in the future, or atleast give them a
Bible tract along with the money.

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:17:30 EDT
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Subject:      Religion in Schools
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Subject: Religion in Schools

   I was talking with my Unix guru Atul Jain, a undevout Hindu, about this
same subject during my lunch walk.

   I told him about prayer being taken out of schools. I think he was saying
something about America getting worse. We discussed that in India I wouldn't
expect to find them reading the Bible or anything like that. He agreed. I
told him I knew he wasn't a Christian, and maybe the reading of the Bible
would offend him. He said it wouldn't. Why should it?

   Anyhow, we both agreed that from his view, even if he wasn't a Christian,
that daily Bible readings tell stories of people placed into a situations,
many times situations that call for a decision of right and wrong. Even
without being a Christian, one would learn, "This is right. That is wrong.
Even though I may not agree, these people have a set of moral codes. It
appears they follow them, and when things are tough, they pray to this
Christian God for help."

   Sometime later, the person is faced with the decision to steal. If not
for anything else, he knows "No, stealing would be wrong. This Bible they
read and pray to has many stories, and their God has laid down laws that
says it is wrong. I think it might be right, but I don't think they would.
I would do best not to, and thus not offend them."

   Atul agreed. Though he tries to follow his Hindu ways, he is sympathetic
to Christians. I try my best not to offend him. One of the concepts he
has a very hard time with is God's grace. He cannot believe God can forgive
a murderer, but that the murderer should have to pay for his crime.

   Atul also said he agreed, that if in a Christian country he were offended,
he could go to a study hall, stand outside, simply not participate, or if
there were enough Hindus, for instance, they could have their own morning
worship.

   Now we take EVERYTHING out, even out of their text books. Now, anything
is right, or wrong. 700 Club did an article on this once. The reporter asked
a teen "What if I wanted to kill you? Would that be right?"

   All the teen could answer was "Well, that would be tragic for me, but if
you wanted to, I supposed it would be right for you." I think that to be
so very tragic.

   Perhaps the Bible could be taken out and "morality" taught, but what
better book than the Bible for that? Instead of that, we take "morality"
out. Of course, that is what the humanists wanted, freedom, and the
ultimate freedom is freedom from God. God says man is sinful, so they try
to expunge any reference to sin, and forget about Him.

   But man was created to have fellowship with God and is left lonely and
empty, and most that I stare into their face, miserable.

Of course, that's just MY opinion,
Maks.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:48:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Homosexuality - Desires, Paul, so on

   Let me clarify myself.  I myself know what it is like to engage in a sin
and to want to change my behavior.  I also know about the struggle with the
temptation and the continued battle associated with trying not to engage in
the sinful behavior and in avoiding the thoughts that go along with it.
Yet, there is a difference between someone who *actively* is seeking God,
struggles, and repents with a remorseful heart.
   For example, I can say that I am a Christian that abstains from adultery.
Now I can go around all day thinking about it, dreaming about it, and so on
and never engage in it even though I am tempted by it.  Yet, where is my
heart?  Or, I can say I am a Christian that abstains from adultery and
instead of dwelling on the sinful act I can change my thinking to something
else and change the desire of my heart.  The desire of the heart may be to
engage in the sin, but I don't.  Yet, my heart is not right.  If the desire
of my heart is not to engage in the sin and when tempted I fight back, then
my heart is right.  The temptation and fighting it are not bad, as Paul did.
Yet, I assume that his heart and mind was not dwelling on it 24 hrs a day.
He may have been continually tempted and had to continually fight a tough
battle to overcome the temptation or problem.  There are some temptaions
that are easier to overcome than others.
   I hope that this clarifies what I am trying to explain to all of you
about this issue.  If not I will try to explain it again.

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:04:48 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 8/21
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"Brothers, follow the example of the prophets who spoke for the Lord.  They
suffered many hard things, but they were patient ... You have heard about Job's
patience.  You know that after all his trouble, the Lord helped him ... If one
of you is having troubles, he should pray" (James 5:10-13).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:16:38 -0400
From:         Vernon Galloway <gallowav@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      RE:Mary & colour blue

In Message Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:54:37 CDT,
  Brad Kaiser <bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM> writes:


>1) Mary is mentioned in Scripture as a woman in heaven "clothed with
>   the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of
>   twelve stars". (Rv 12:1)  "Clothed with the sun" doesn't sound like
>   she appeared to John in blue.
>

I don't want to start an argument with our RC list members, but another view
of REV 12 is that the woman is Israel through v 5 and the church thereafter.

Vernon


Vernon Galloway
Gettysburg College
MicroComputer Technician
gallowav@gettysburg.edu
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:21:00 CDT
From:         "Love does not subtract, it multiplies." <HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trusting Scoutmasters

<I'm a heterosexual, and I pray that I'm not a pedophile, but don't
<ask me to hang around the locker room of young girls.  My mind would
<not be on that day's camping expedition, I'm sure.  Nothing
<scientific, just a personal observation.
<
<Joe Moore

Right at the start, I think that it important to use more explicit descriptors
than "boy", "girl", or "child" in a discussion like this.  Those terms can be
used to refer to anyone under the age of 18, which can lead to confusion.

Mr. Moore, for example, might be referring to how he would feel in a
locker-room full of 16,14, or possibly even 13 year-olds.  He might feel
differently around 4,5,or even 8 year-olds.

Dan
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:41:33 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Homosexuality
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              Zimmerman" at Aug 17, 92 10:51 pm

Angela,

Yes I have known Gay people, and I do not know of any christians that
call them monsters. I think you are putting words in our mouths..

To say someone is in sin is not judgemental because ALL of us were in
sin before we found Jesus. Homosexuality is no more a sin than any other.
There is forgivness, healing and restoration available when one turns to
Christ...



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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:05:41 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is the Bible Absolute Truth?

>I believe in the inerrancy of the Bible through * Faith * in the same
way as I believe in Jesus Christ through * Faith *.  It seems simple, but
isn't child-like faith what Jesus taught.  Marci


Amen Marci.  I understand the need for some to go into theological
discussions and logical explanations.  But it all boils down to
faith.  If the translators were not perfect, that does not mean
that God will not use His Word.  It's the word that is inerrant,
not the people who recorded it.  God uses all things for good for
those that love Him.  Praise the Lord I can't understand much
of men's explanations and have to rely on simplicity!   Carol Nemec
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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: revelation
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:17:03 GMT
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Marty,

Thanks for the help with the terms "public and private revelation."

                                                       zane
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:08:48 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Can Satan heal?

Glen Braden writes:

 > Concerning Benny Hinn and Healing... What makes you think that
 > Satan doesn't have the power to heal?

One possible reply is found in M 12:22-29 = P 3:22-27 = L 11:14-22.
Jesus is accused of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub,
and replies: "Does Satan cast out Satan?"

It is my impression (I offer no proof) that Satan cannot do anything
constructive. He can smash, but he cannot build. He is like an
old-fashioned Chinese warlord sitting down in his old age and trying
to write a few poems. He has forgotten how.

(This is not a defense of Benny Hinn. Apart from this list, I have
never heard of him, or of Mike Warnke.)

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:09:12 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 8/13
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"Jerusalem will be crushed by non-Jewish people UNTIL their time is over" (Luke
21:24).

"THEN the iron, clay, bronze, silver and gold broke to pieces at the same time.
 They became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summertime.  The wind blew
them away, and there was nothing left.  Then the rock that hit the statue
became a very large mountain.  It filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35).

"King Nebuchadnezzar, you saw a rock cut from a mountain.  But no human being
touched it.  The rock broke the iron, bronze, clay, silver and gold to pieces.
In this way the great God showed you what will happen.  The dream is true, and
you can trust this explanation" (Daniel 2:45).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:44:44 CDT
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From:         Brad Kaiser <bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM>
Subject:      History of Marian devotion (Re: Mary & colour blue)
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              14 Aug 1992 16:41:50 -0500 <9208142144.AB16237@motgate.mot.com>

Nancy Tinkham wrote last week:

>     In a discussion of Revelation 12, Brad Kaiser mentioned the identification
>of the woman with Mary as one interpretation of the passage.  I wondered
>whether Marian devotion is of sufficiently ancient origin that the author
>and audience of Revelation would have had Mary in mind.

I pointed out to Nancy in a private email that Revelation (written
around A.D. 90) and the Protevangelium of James (written A.D. 100-150)
were nearly contemporary documents, especially if one accepts the
early date for the Protevangelium.

Jason Cormier writes:

>> The symoblism of Rev. has a long history and tradition in the Jewish
>> community at the time of the writing of Rev.  I believe that in this
>> instance, the best case is for the Woman to represent Israel.

Well, first of all, there's nothing mutually exclusive about the two
interpretations, as I pointed out in an earlier post.  The woman is
Mary, and she is also Israel/Church.

Also (a general comment), remember that Rev was written under the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  Therefore, I'm not sure whether it
really matters when it was written, or what John was thinking when he
wrote it, or what Christians of that time would have understood
concerning it, etc.  God put into it that truth which He wanted to
teach.

I heard an interesting comment on this Scripture over the weekend, in
reference to Rev 11:19, which speaks of God's temple opening, and the
ark of His covenant being seen in it.  Fr. Ray Bourque on EWTN
described this Scripture as referring to Mary, the "ark of the new
covenant".  Note the parallel between the contents of the old ark
(according to Hebrews) and that of the new ark: the tablets of the Law
(Christ, the Lawgiver); the gold jar of manna (Christ, the Bread of
Life); and the staff of Aaron (Christ, who shepherds the nations with
an iron rod).

Brad Kaiser
(bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com)

  "Hatred destroys.  Only love creates."
            -- St. Maximilian Kolbe, shortly before his arrest and
               martyrdom at the hands of the Nazis.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:54:55 -0500
From:         MARCI HENDRIX <HENDRIX@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Handling beggars

Chris, I appreciate your predicament.  I too am a bit jaded on the issue
of when and when not to give money * freely *.  I would like to be able
to help out always but am not comfortable doing so when money is tight and
when I know the money would go to drink.

I heard a wonderful message this weekend about being tender hearted as it
relates to the good samaritan.  The point presented was that giving of
ourselves to those in need is an inconvenience but we should do so graciously.
However, the illustration of handouts wasn't used and I'm not sure what the
pastor would say about this particular situation.

We've had 2 men knock / pound on our door ( before dawn ) looking for money
due to an emergency situation.  Same story both times.  Sounds fishy to me.
My husband will get people food ( groceries or drive through, whatever) before
giving money.  I will give aluminum cans to the neighborhood * can man * even
though I know he probably drinks it, but the money situation is a tough call.
There are bunches of places in this city that serves food regularly and
many shelters.

I too would like to hear more on this subject because it fall into the genre
of practical Christian living.  Marci
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:34:25 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      delightful?

> Date: 20-AUG-1992 16:18:18
>
> >A quarter won't buy anything delightful anymore.
> >
> >Love INC,
> >         --Kerry
>
> I assumed the purpose was to reward yourself each time you abstained -
> therefore hopefully you'd have a dollar or two after a month  :^).
>
>         Even so - a phone call to a friend is delightful.  A handful of
> penny-candy is delightful.  A video game can be dilightful.  It just takes a
> bit of imagination.
>
>                                 Lora
Kerry & Lora's comments makes me wonder, "Where are kids going to get
quarter's to reward themselves with, let alone $10.00.?" Just wondering.


   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst  in  Dallas - Texas
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: green peace/new age
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:40:14 GMT
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James,
      I don't know what Green Peace is up to now, but quite a while ago I read
a newspaper that was published by the same that was very overtly "mother nature
worship" oriented.... At that time I wasn't a Christian.  I doubt if it is a
"religious organization" but it at that time seemed to have what would be con-
sidered today as very "new age" presuppositions about the creation.
      By the way, when I was in Japan I ran across a book that I think was
called The New Age Handbook.  It was put out by Gordon Melton (?) - the guy
who also has some interesting books out on the various Christian groups... you
probably know who I am talking about.  Anyway, in the book he lists many groups
and organizations that are considered to be "new age."  It is an interesting
book.  I can't remember if it listed Green Peace or not... you might check if
you have access (I sure don't).
      For those of you who are interested in what "new age" is - that is - what
their basic world view encompasses, you might find the first chapter of the
book or so interesting...
                           Peace in Christ the King,  Zane.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:53:57 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject: To Sieg A U R I C H

Dear Sieg ;

Interestingly, you hit my "hot button" in two posts :
First, I highly advocate home schooling.  About 75% of all the people in
my church do so, and the rest are unable to do so beyond their power.
Second, I am a "ditto head" in that I am a conservative, free market
economistic, local government advocating listener to Rush Limbaugh.

By the way, I am sure glad your last name is not Heil.  Have you heard that
a zillion times?





Jesse Carnes
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