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From: v094lrtr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SALTY STX)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan21.151933.10430@ac.dal.ca>, olson@ac.dal.ca writes...
>It's funny, when I posted my complaints about the one episode of
>Aeon Flux I had seen, half of the people that responded supported
>the contrived aspect of the animation, the illogical basis of it etc...
>saying that I was missing the artistic value etc...
>Then, another half of the posters said my complaints were sort of
>valid, but that they were too serious because the things I
>complained of were deliberate attempts at parody by the animator.
>Well, for one thing, perhaps the animator did fail 
>in making it a clear parody, since the only one's who recognized this 
>were people who had heard/seen the animator explain this.
> 
>Although a lot of people who disagreed
>with what I said about an absence of logic raised the cry that 
>"animation does not have to maintain a basis in reality".
>Well, I'm not really talking about reality, I'm talking about logic.  
>I think there always has to be a central logic to these things.  One 
>person wrote that perhaps Aeon lives in a non-Newtonian universe
>and that is why she can perform the feats she does.  Well if that is the
>case, then perhaps it should have been established by the animator.
>It just does not make sense if a phenomenon happens right out of thin 
>air if no logical basis for the action is maintained within the storyline.
>I think the comedian John Cleese said something about this in his criticism
>of comedy.  He basically said that in a skit you can have a guy who is 
>standing in a barrel and does his comedy in a barrel, but it does not make
>sense if there is no logic behind why the guy has to be in the barrel -
>there has to be some central logic to explain why the barrel is incorporated
>in the skit and why it is necessary.  There is no logic to why Aeon can 
>launch herself while dangling in mid-air.

You are joking, right? It's only a cartoon!!!
> 
>BTW, for an example of good action animation I would recommend an
>animated short called Lazar, although
>I don't know the name of the person who did Lazar. 

The best animated movie i have seen is akira, check it out
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Subject: Re: gifs...
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:39:53 GMT

jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:


>Does anyone out there have any _color_ gifs of Aeon Flux?  
>Perhaps someone with a video fram grabber...


I'll do some framegrabbing once I get nice, clear copies.

Anyone got any requests for screen shots?
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From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:54:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

olson@ac.dal.ca writes:

>It's funny, when I posted my complaints about the one episode of
>Aeon Flux I had seen, half of the people that responded supported
>the contrived aspect of the animation, the illogical basis of it etc...
>saying that I was missing the artistic value etc...
>Then, another half of the posters said my complaints were sort of
>valid, but that they were too serious because the things I
>complained of were deliberate attempts at parody by the animator.
>Well, for one thing, perhaps the animator did fail 
>in making it a clear parody, since the only one's who recognized this 
>were people who had heard/seen the animator explain this.
 
 
	I disagree.  When you see the hero of a series get repeatedly
snuffed, you have to wonder.  The first episode of 'flux I ever saw
showed the aftermath of one of her incredible (literally -- as in,
"not credible" dives into hoards of pistol brandishing enemy soldiers.
Stacks of them lay everwhere; blood poured from the masses (blood?  on
an enemy?).   You may not have immediately figured out, "ah, of
course, a parody of action/adventure films.  What a striking
commmentary!", but you DID get the sense of something quite unusual,
quite wrong.    
  
	It's not the greatest animation I've ever seen, and I have to
question how seriously the average person takes his mission, but it is
unique, distinctive, and interesting.  That's enough for me to keep
watching.


Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu (Amy Harris)
Subject: Re: hello Dad, i'm in jail!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:07:09 GMT

In <phlegm.728236212@cs1.bradley.edu> phlegm@cs1.bradley.edu (Kevin Bourrillion) writes:

>That song has been one of my all-time favorites since it showed up in
>the movie _Pump Up The Volume_.  I don't remember who did the
>animation, but the song is by none other than Was Not Was, of 
>"Walk the Dinosaur" fame.  I haven't been able to find it on any of
>their albums, and it's not on the PUTV soundtrack!  If anyone knows
>where this ditty can be found on CD or tape, please let me know!

It's on the same album as "Walk the Dinosaur".  _What's Up, Dog?_
or _What Up, Dog?_  (I can't remember which is correct.)

Very last song on the album, in fact.
From: echeverr@scf.usc.edu (5150)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: People Unclear On The Concept (Was Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation)
Date: 20 Jan 1993 22:22:36 -0800
Organization: <censored>
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.111743.10395@ac.dal.ca> olson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I don't know why a lot of the people posting are crazy about Aeon Flux.
[blah blah blah]
>The animators really fail with Aeon Flux.  There has to be some logic 
>to the movements of the characters and the actions that take place.  

This is alt.tv.liquid-tv.  alt.reality and alt.real.life are down the
hallway, to your right, down the stairs and immediately left.

5150
"... i mean, there's no way the Coyote can survive falling that far..."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:58:34 GMT

In <ed.728005403@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>She also told me that MTV is considering TWO 30 minute spin-offs of
>LTV.  No solid decisions, but she said AF is a good prospect.  She said
>WINTER STEELE and DOG-BOY would be her choices if she were doing the
>choosing.  

Dog boy?

Blech.
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From: ccsmith@IASTATE.EDU (Christian C Smith)
Subject: LTV Show Index Request
Reply-To: ccsmith@IASTATE.EDU (Christian C Smith)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:21:12 GMT

  Okay, I'm sorry, but I didn't get a chance to get the article that had a
list of contents in all (or most) of the episodes of LTV.  Could whoever
posted that article please re-post it or e-mail a copy of it to:

     ccsmith@iastate.edu

Thanx!


--Me
From: davros@draco.unm.edu (Seymour Butt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:23:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: draco.unm.edu

 During thee credits i noticed that inbred jed was done by
mike ????  of mike and spike fame
has thier been anything else about inbred jed except the one shown on 
liq. tv


-ketan-

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:49:26 EST
From: <JXM182@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: The ballet of Aeon flux.

For the most part, I think that Aeon flux is a show that taps into a primal
feeling within all of us. It is that feeling that gives us the power to blow
thousands of people away and come away unscathed. Either that or die trying.
It is that reason why I find myself standing up and cheering when the man
slides down a rope with a machine gun it both hands and takes a whole hillside
of men and women with him. The animation simply kicks ass and I like that the
animator takes no shame in being brutal about killing. Nothing I have ever
seen since the Galaxy Rangers!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:43:23 GMT

I talked to someone (Ms.Wilson) at Colossal Pictures today and she
confirmed that, yes, there will be a third season of LIQUID TELEVISION.
The exact contents won't be confirmed until the beginning of February,
but she was able to say that AEON FLUX will return.
 
She also told me that MTV is considering TWO 30 minute spin-offs of
LTV.  No solid decisions, but she said AF is a good prospect.  She said
WINTER STEELE and DOG-BOY would be her choices if she were doing the
choosing.  
 
Also...she'll be calling me back next week to set-up an interview with
Amy Capen.
 
More news as it comes in...
 
...e

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From: phlegm@cs1.bradley.edu (Kevin Bourrillion)
Subject: Re: hello Dad, i'm in jail!
Organization: Silvery Urban Deity
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:50:12 GMT

(?) writes:

>I'd really like to know who animated and wrote this blurb.
>
> "Hello, Dad, I'm in jail!!  HEllo Dad, I'm in jail!!  Hello Dad, I'm in
>jail!!  Say Hi to Mom...from Jail!!!  I like it here!!  Hello, Dad, I'm in
>jail!!  Jail!!  Jail!!  Go ahead!!  Throw away the key!!!"
>
>What is the deal. Help me...please help me.  

That song has been one of my all-time favorites since it showed up in
the movie _Pump Up The Volume_.  I don't remember who did the
animation, but the song is by none other than Was Not Was, of 
"Walk the Dinosaur" fame.  I haven't been able to find it on any of
their albums, and it's not on the PUTV soundtrack!  If anyone knows
where this ditty can be found on CD or tape, please let me know!


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From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: gifs...
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:01:15 GMT
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST


Does anyone out there have any _color_ gifs of Aeon Flux?  
Perhaps someone with a video fram grabber...


Spidey!!!

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From: dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp)
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:12:46 GMT

v094lrtr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SALTY STX) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.151933.10430@ac.dal.ca>, olson@ac.dal.ca writes...
>>BTW, for an example of good action animation I would recommend an
>>animated short called Lazar, although
>>I don't know the name of the person who did Lazar. 
>
>The best animated movie i have seen is akira, check it out

The best animated movie I have seen _in_English_ is Akira.  Toward the
end of LTV's 1st season, it kinda looked like they were running out of
material (or having a hard time finding any).  Maybe if that happens in
the future they can show shorts from Akira & other anime works.
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From: emgg1058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt )
Subject: gif 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:10:05 GMT



HELP,


how do you view the unencoded gif?


no smartass remarks please.


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:33:48 GMT

olson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>The animation itself is contrived, and the figure of Aeon is totally
>ripped off from most of the women one sees in Heavy Metal.

I agree with this.  In fact, when I first saw Aeon Flux, I thought it
was some serialized version of Heavy Metal.  I had no idea it was
intended to be a parody of anything because it seemed to be emulating
(not mocking) exactly the ultra-violent images in Heavy Metal.

For a parody shown on LTV, I'd point to Bobby and Billy.  I find that
also very violent, but in the setting of what is normally not shown to
be violent at all (more of a educational show narrator + Brady Bunch
setting).  That disparity between the expected action and the actual
action is what makes B&B a parody to me.  I see no such disparity in
AF and thus think it's just another copy of Heavy Metal not in any way
copying it while showing it to be senseless.  I think the violence in
both AF and Heavy Metal is equally silly.
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: s14086nd@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Reply-To: s14086nd@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:55:03 GMT

In article <108424@bu.edu>, bissett@acs.bu.edu (Robert Bissett) writes:
>>
>>"Dog Boy" sucks...

i couldn't have put it better myself!
    - nancy =)

Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: slp43173@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Spencer Lee Pasero)
Subject: Re:  hello Dad, i'm in jail!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:34:14 GMT

Forgive me for being UseNet illiterate and not knowing how to save a 
post, but someone wanted to know who did the abovementioned skit.  I 
don't know who did the animation, but the sounds are a song by Was (Not
Was).  Hope that helps.

Feeling your pain,

Spence
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:44:12
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd -- Now Appearing Nightly With DON HO
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: deepthought.unm.edu
In-reply-to: olson@ac.dal.ca's message of 21 Jan 93 15:19:32 -0400


olson@ac.dal.ca writes:

olson> animator did fail in making it a clear parody, since the only
olson> one's who recognized this were people who had heard/seen the
olson> animator explain this.

BZZZZT!  Silly Olson.  Making things up in your head will only get you
in trouble, since you most likely did *not* stop to ask each person on
here if they had read the animator's interview before making this
statement -- you certainly didn't ask *me*.  And no, I hadn't read the
interview at the time; I thought it was a parody moments after I first
began watching the first episode.

olson> logic to explain why the barrel is incorporated in the skit and
olson> why it is necessary.  There is no logic to why Aeon can launch
olson> herself while dangling in mid-air.

Once again:  Chung is pointing out this very thing in the work.  In a
manner of speaking, he's testing you to see if you blindly accept it
like you probably do any Hollywood action movie or comic book hero.
If you don't, he's hoping you're with him on the joke as he gets more
and more absurd with the situations, so you can start to see the
deeper theme that he's driving at, this one having to do more with the
context of the story and the roles the characters play.  But since you
missed the surface-level action cliche' parody, I won't even touch
this other one ... :-)


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:10:06 CST
From: Angus MacGyver <U20190@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Instant Fan of AF

Greetings all,

   It was while zapping channels that I came upon an episode of Liquid TV,
and was instantly hooked when I saw "Aeon Flux." Wowsers! Totally unlike
anything I'd ever seen. Can anyone provide some background on the show?

Advance Thanks,

-=> CNS
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:30:35 GMT

olson@ac.dal.ca writes:

>It's funny, when I posted my complaints about the one episode of
>Aeon Flux I had seen, half of the people that responded supported
>the contrived aspect of the animation, the illogical basis of it etc...
>saying that I was missing the artistic value etc...
>Then, another half of the posters said my complaints were sort of
>valid, but that they were too serious because the things I
>complained of were deliberate attempts at parody by the animator.
>Well, for one thing, perhaps the animator did fail 
>in making it a clear parody, since the only one's who recognized this 
>were people who had heard/seen the animator explain this.

Bad assumption.  I, my friends, and a number of people on rec.arts.animation
sussed this out before we ever read any interviews with Peter Chung.  It's a 
*very* clear parody, especially if you're paying attention to the subtle
shifts in tone after each break.

>Although a lot of people who disagreed
>with what I said about an absence of logic raised the cry that 
>"animation does not have to maintain a basis in reality".
>Well, I'm not really talking about reality, I'm talking about logic.  
>I think there always has to be a central logic to these things.  One 
>person wrote that perhaps Aeon lives in a non-Newtonian universe
>and that is why she can perform the feats she does.  Well if that is the
>case, then perhaps it should have been established by the animator.
>It just does not make sense if a phenomenon happens right out of thin 
>air if no logical basis for the action is maintained within the storyline.
>I think the comedian John Cleese said something about this in his criticism
>of comedy.  He basically said that in a skit you can have a guy who is 
>standing in a barrel and does his comedy in a barrel, but it does not make
>sense if there is no logic behind why the guy has to be in the barrel -
>there has to be some central logic to explain why the barrel is incorporated
>in the skit and why it is necessary.  There is no logic to why Aeon can 
>launch herself while dangling in mid-air.

I agree with you, to a point.  I don't believe in the phrase, "It doesn't
have to make sense -- it's a cartoon."  Any story has to have an internal
logic.  AEon Flux does have an internal logic -- only one person can pull off
these seemingly impossible tasks, and that's AEon.  That's a take on the
cliche of the incredibly-skilled protagonists of action movies, and that's
what *identifies* her as the protagonist, among other things.

>BTW, for an example of good action animation I would recommend an
>animated short called Lazar, although
>I don't know the name of the person who did Lazar. 

His name's escaped me.  I don't know if I'd call it "action animation", but
the animation was pretty fun.
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From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:38:36 GMT

ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:

>She also told me that MTV is considering TWO 30 minute spin-offs of
>LTV.  No solid decisions, but she said AF is a good prospect.  She said
>WINTER STEELE and DOG-BOY would be her choices if she were doing the
>choosing.  

Yuck.  No accounting for taste ;).
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: Re: gif 
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:19:37 GMT

In <C1684w.6pr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> emgg1058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt ) writes:

>how do you view the unencoded gif?

you need a gif viewer like cshow and i think there are others out there...

this is not a smartass answer... ask around for a gif viewer i am sure
someone has one...
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From: 9217088@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: test[ignore please]
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:53:42 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


THis is a test

Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From:  ()
Subject: hello Dad, i'm in jail!
Followup-To: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:09:49 GMT

I'd really like to know who animated and wrote this blurb.

 "Hello, Dad, I'm in jail!!  HEllo Dad, I'm in jail!!  Hello Dad, I'm in
jail!!  Say Hi to Mom...from Jail!!!  I like it here!!  Hello, Dad, I'm in
jail!!  Jail!!  Jail!!  Go ahead!!  Throw away the key!!!"

What is the deal. Help me...please help me.
From: hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:33:38 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, Lower Volta.


	As long as they keep Dog Boy well away from the rest of the show and
stop wasting our time with it, I'm happy..  I'd like to see more computer
animation and Inbred Jed, and no matter what others may say, I relish Billy
and Bobby.


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