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From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Lovecraftian Satanism [was Alt.Satanism FAQ version 2.1]
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:21:44 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

There's a short but interesting piece called "Belief - A Key to Magick" by
British pagan Phil Hine (former editor of the UK _Pagan News_ on the issue
of whether magick based on mythic systems "known" to be "fictitious" is
valid.  He argues that *any* system in which one invests intensity of
belief, even in a "suspension of disbelief" mode, will produce valid
magickal results.  He specifically mentions working with systems based on
the Great Old Ones of Cthulhu, and also mentions systems he and friends have
worked out using Mythic systems derived from Star Trek and C.S.  Lewis's
Narnia series.  ("Tash is gonna *get* you if you don't ...  watch ...
out.")

His point, as I understand it, is that belief in the mythic *efficacy* of a
god or entity is quite different from belief that that entity ever existed
independent of a human's mind.  If rituals based on such a Mythic system
produce the changes in accordance to will, then they work, and their
premises are valid.  Period.  Try it and find out.

The article is in a neat little magazine called _The Wild Places,_ ed.
Kevin McClure, 42, Victoria Road, Mount Charles, St.  Austell, Cornwall PL25
4QD ENGLAND.  UK: 4 issues for six pounds; US: 4 issues for $18 or single
issues $5.  The Hine piece is in No.  3.
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.psu.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
"If I am the Devil's child, I will live then from the Devil.  The only right is
 what is after my constitution; the only wrong what is against it."
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: The Process Church
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:00:33 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92324.133437WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> You can find anything you really want on The Process in William Sims
> Bainbridge, _Satan's Power: a Deviant Psychotherapy Cult_ (Berkeley:

:( I would love to chase down books but my budget has been stretched out
of shape already. What's that you say? Go to the library and check them
out? You didn't seriously think they'd have it *here*, did you? I've got
a better library than the school on this stuff...that's why I asked for
info. It's soemthing I'd like to find out immediate-future, not next-year.

Ah well,
--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: Name That Deity contest!!!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:50:49 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

###rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: I'm fed up with all the complaints and criticisms, both on and off
: the Net, for my chosen religion.
: 
: I could use logic to explain my position, but you know athiests, 
: they have their faith and "know" what's Right  :)##


Do you know any better?

##: So instead I want to try something different. I want to be 
: something else besides a Satanist. One little problem:  I need a
: good symbol. Are there any gods, or other appropriate beings, who
: would be good for representing:  
: 
:      Night
:      Death
:      The bestial side of humanity
:      Worldly power
:      Love (for your own side)
:      Sex
:      Equality
:      Knowledge, reason, enlightenment
:      Change (e.g. overturning the status quo)
:      Dualism######

Then you shouldn't be asking that question in alt.satanism if you don't want
to be one any more.
Besides, you have good enough symbols in night, death, love, sex etc.. just
worship these as they are said. But do you really know what you want?

: 
##: That's all I can think of for now. If anyone comes up with a
: suitable god, I guess I'll switch over. Otherwise, I'll have to
: start practicing Black Masses in order to justify my continued
: existence, and I would so hate to go to all the trouble of 
: becoming a defrocked priest.
: 
: --Semhaza (of course I'll still be the Antichrist)##

Semhaza, you're putting us on. I thought you were serious, but with this
last statement.......really.;-)

Bes

Xref: sparky alt.satanism:2725 alt.religion.sabaean:75
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: satanism sucks!!!!!!
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:04:49 GMT

In article <92323.175757KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> Kevin Polcovich <KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>To all you satanist:
>  Why dont you wise up?  Satan is for fools.  Anybody that can swith their lett
>ers in their name around and spell santa, I think is pretty queer.
>Comments welcome.

More words of wisdom from PSU.  Isn't it time for Christmas break yet?

--
====
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Magazines again
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:45:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Since there seems to be a dearth of magazines (I was not exactly overwhelmed
with information following my recent inquiry), what would y'all be interested
in seeing in a Satanic-type magazine, assuming for a moment that you would want
to read one?

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.religion.sabaean
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: God's Last Laugh
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:49:15 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
: I just want to clarify one thing: when writing this, I was not trying to expressthe opinion of the entire alt.satanism crowd. I just hope other fellow Satanist won't be shocked by this text.
: 
: What do you think of it, actually? Was it good?
: 
: Daniel Roy,
: for the "Voyageurs sans Permis"<<


Maybe I missed something. What do I think of >what<? actually. Was >what<
good??

Bes

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Article from talk.religion.misc
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:00:57 GMT


The following article appeared on talk.religion.misc. I've sent the
poster a copy of the alt.satanism FAQ...

Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: phys224@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Is satan really evil?
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:27:09 GMT

I've recently read the bible,and am stunned and horrified at the cruety and
irrationality of the christian god. It is mean,spiteful,selfish,demands
we obey under pain of (eternal!) suffering.i could'nt believe it!why do
some people believe in this god,and why follow it?
In the flood,innocent beings of all kinds are killed (even human babies!)
The chosen people move about the landscape,annihalating people as they go.
God's punishments in the old testement are nothing short of ridiculous
and cruel.he wants our faith and obedience,yet refuses to offer evidence of
his own existence? much of the bible surely cannot be read literally,
some statements are crazy e.g. the new jerusulum in revelations is huge
and perfectly square;such a city can only fit on a flat earth!etc, most
of whats in the bible conflicts with evolutionary theory,biology,physics
etc. So why should i believe in it?
Why do some people believe Satan is evil? dosen't satan simply want us to
be ourselves,to make our own choices and morality?Lucifer seems to be
the opposite of god;he wants us to be us,not just computers whose
programs are scriptures.I don't belive in 'GOD' or Satan;but would
worship Satan if i did.if it is true,was Satan fighting for us as well as
himself?to free us from god's yoke?
please,could i have replys on this issue?replys based on what satan did/
wants,not on statements from the bible saying he is evil or whatever;
after all,the bible is written by pro-god people.
what is so wrong about inventing your own morality?i follow my own
personal (atheistic) beliefs,i judge them adequate;i try to cause no pain to
others,actively try to help out people who need help,as well as attempt
to weaken religion if i possibly can.what is so wrong with my morality?
nothing that i can see.

see ya
stephen botha,christchurch,new zealand.





Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: God's Last Laugh
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:12:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

###royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
: 
: As somebody once put it (I think it's Faust):
: "I would rather go to Hell to meet interesting, clever people, than to Heaven
:   where everybody follows orders without questions."####

I believe this a free adaptation from "Don Juan in Hell" it is Don Juan's
line.


##: (You see it is VERY freely adapted, but the core of the point is there.)
: 
: Seeya in Heaven.###

Then why want to go to heaven? Or are you very dull?? (smile)

Bes

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Magazines again
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:52:35 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <By6sso.70x@ddsw1.mcs.com>, bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes) writes:
> ###rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> : Since there seems to be a dearth of magazines (I was not exactly overwhelmed
> : with information following my recent inquiry), what would y'all be 
> : interested
> : in seeing in a Satanic-type magazine, assuming for a moment that you would 
> : want
> : to read one?
> : 
> : --Semhaza####
> 
> This sounds like proselytizing to me. Strange considering your last inquiry
> where you were disavowing yourself from satanism. 

Proselytizing? This is a newsgroup for discussions of Satan and related
topics, is it not? I didn't advocate a religion, I asked about potential
contents of a magazine. And I didn't even say a Satanist magazine, I said
a Satanic-*type*, which I was thinking of as a magazine of interest to
those intrested in Satanism. Not necessarily worshippers.
 
> Make up your mind. You are..or you're not. But then again......

What's to make up my mind about? I don't see a contradiction.

--Semhaza
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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.religion.sabaean
Subject: God's Last Laugh
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:53:14 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I just want to clarify one thing: when writing this, I was not trying to expressthe opinion of the entire alt.satanism crowd. I just hope other fellow Satanist won't be shocked by this text.

What do you think of it, actually? Was it good?

Daniel Roy,
for the "Voyageurs sans Permis"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: jro2@po.CWRU.Edu (James R. Okicki)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: amon ra
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:20:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


	I have a question...  What is the "Amon Ra"?
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Alt.Satanism FAQ version 2.1
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:11:48 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BxL0H3.7B8@ais.org> kelek@ais.org (Mike McDonald) writes:
>
>
>  Finally, a good explanation of what 'Satanism' is.  I've always
>wondered about it, since Christians merely call it evil or
>worship of Satan.  A couple comments, though:
>  I don't believe 'Secondary Satanists' should be included as a
>type of Satanist, which implies that anyone called a Satanist
>is a Satanist.  I am a practitioner of Shamanism and involved
>in role-playing games, but I don't fit into any of the definitions
>of Satanism.
>  Second, are there seriously 'Lovecraftian Satanists'?  The Lovecraftian
>mythos and books are fictitious, made up, don't exist.  There is
>currently an argument about this on alt.necromicon (misspelled)
>and alt.horror.cthulhu that claim that there actually exist(ed) a
>Necronomicon and other books used in HPL's stories, but the
>Necronomicon has nothing to do with Lovecraft's stories or mythos,
>and I expect the same from the other books.  There are several
>rip-off 'Necronomicon's on the market that are good for a laugh.

	Well, there does seem to be some historical basis for the Cthulhu
Mythos, tho I believe HPL knew it and was inspired by these themes (Ktulu
as a serpent in Sumerian myth, Xastur as lord of sorcerors, etc.).  Yet,
I find Lovecraftian Satanism and Cthulhu-Worship no less valid than the 
worship of a guy who was nailed to a board two thousand years ago.  BTW,
it is still possible to follow Lovecraft's own personal worldview, that the
creator(s) exist beyond our current scientific knowledge and really could
care less whether we live or die.  It's a cold and harsh belief, but makes
you really think about making the best of what little time we have on this
earth.

						Raymond H. Rich
						Arkham University
						Board of Admissions
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.religion.sabaean
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Process Factoids
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:42:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

   Process Church (Taken mostly from the book,"Apocalypse Culture II")

The theology of the Process church was basically a gnostic one. The great 
gods of their theology were Jesus, Jehovah, Lucifer and Satan. They beleived
that everyone contained different aspects of these gods to a greater or 
lesser degree. They also had many apocalyptic prophecies. 

Robert DeGrimson, leader of The Process for most of its short history, preached
that we should all strive to have as much of the Jesus aspect as possible, 
to create a harmonious world. He published many books espousing his philosophy,
such as _The Gods and THeir People_ and _Humanity is the Devil_.
His style has been compared to Yeats' _A Vision_ and Loyd Wrights' _Mobocracy_.
The church broke up into two factions when DeGrimson divorced his wife in
1974; it is no longer active. It has been postulated that the Process
Church started out as a branch of the German Democratic party, a neo-NAZI
european party. While its rituals, logos, and certain aspects of its philosophy
do seem somewhat  like that of the NAZIs; it did not have the negative
anti-semetic aspect of the NAZI's; many of its members were of jewish
descent. (Some of the more obvious NAZI-like aspects were thier gothic type
ritual, elitist gnostic philosophy, and swastica-type emblem {four "P's" in
with a common round piece}.Their "uniforms" were black robes;satanic looking)

The Process was the subjetc of several "exposes" by fundamentalist christian
writers trying to establish some sort of Satanic Conspiracy in league with
child-pornographers, "snuff cults" and drug dealers. All of the "evidence"
was hearsay and from unknown informants. It can be safely disregarded as in
the realm of "conspiracy theory".
Some of the Inflammatory books using this approach are; Maury Terry's "Ultimate
Evil" and Ed Sanders "The Family: The story of Charles Mansons Dune Buggy 
Attack Battalion" (The last title is a good indication of the mentality
of the author...) Might make good titallating reading, but should be viewed
as fiction.

Conspiracy theory aside, Mr DeGrimson is presently living in a large metro
area (unmentioned by my source), and is listed in the white pages of the
phone Book there...

-Lupo
From: mort@wells.rutgers.edu (mort)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: amon ra
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:51:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jro2@po.CWRU.Edu (James R. Okicki) writes:


>	I have a question...  What is the "Amon Ra"?

I believe that he was the Egyptian's sun god.

I've been wrong before, though..
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: prophesies
Reply-To: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, FL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:28:07 GMT

Article 1462 of alt.satanism:
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From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: prophesies
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:22:25 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky) writes:
> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:

>> Actually what's interesting about Jesus isn't his 
>> homosexuality, it's his =asexuality=.  It seems to me 
>> like he personally had no interest in sex whatsoever.

>Ohhh? Then what about:

>"For the time past of >our< life may suffice us to have 
> wrought the will of the Gentiles, when >we< walked in 
> lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, 
> banquetings, and abominable idolatries:" [1 Peter,4 v.3]

I'm not sure how this correlates that Jesus was interested in
sex, Eshin, but I think you have misread this verse.  1 Peter 
was written not by Jesus, but by Peter, one of the apostles 
of Jesus.

When Peter refers to "our" and "we", yes he includes himself
in the company of those who "walked in lasciviousness, lust,
excess of wine, ..."; but this has nothing to do with Jesus.
If you look back to verse 4:2, you will see:

"As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life 
for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God."

If you are going to use the Bible to try and prove your point
(Wow, someone on alt.satanism doing that!) then please use
verses that are somewhat representative of what you are trying 
to prove.


My love to all of you in Christ Jesus, Amen.



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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:57:57 EST
From: Kevin Polcovich <KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: satanism sucks!!!!!!

To all you satanist:
  Why dont you wise up?  Satan is for fools.  Anybody that can swith their lett
ers in their name around and spell santa, I think is pretty queer.
Comments welcome.
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Hiya
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:42:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Nov.19.22.18.52.1992.927@alumina.rutgers.edu>, rwoodman@alumina.rutgers.edu (Robert Woodman) writes:

> Hiya, all.  I'm a kind-of athiestic/agnostic/confused person.
> Give me some advice.  I want a religion.  Is satanism worth the heat
> you get from friends/family?  Is it fun?
> ?

Hmmm...what are you looking for in a religion? What kind of Satanism were
you interested in? What kind of friends/family do you have? What do you
consider "fun"?

I have fun. Gut instinct tells me most of the other folkses hanging out here
do as well. I didn't get into Satanism to have fun though, I sort of stumbled
into it by accident.

As far as friends and family go, my family doesn't know. I haven't gone out
of my way to inform them, and the fact that I have moved away helps. My
friends (such as they are) have never batted an eyelash. I think that if
the majority of your friends are the type who would come to your house with
pitchforks and torches upon discovering your true identity, Satanism is not
for you, because you're probably too straight-laced yourself if you have that
kind of friends. 

Seriously, I suggest you hang around this group for a short while. Find out 
about Satanism and what it is. You can answer your own questions better than
we could, as you know more about your own likes and dislikes.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: The Process Church
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:46:29 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

While I'm busy asking all these questions, anyone care to tell me about the
Process Church, that poor misunderstood organization that keeps getting lumped
in with us evil folks?

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)
Subject: What I think
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:54:12 GMT

Here's what I beleive.

The christians say that all those who are good and do not sin go
to heaven, all those who are bad and sin go to hell. I do not think
this is so. I believe in a God of complete forgiveness; I think
God takes everyone up into heaven who wants to go. I don't believe
heaven is a reward for the true believers. I don't think God is into
rewarding. I think his ultimate goal is to turn all of humanity
into nice, loving people.
The forces of Evil, on the other hand, have the opposite goal. They
want to wipe humanity off of the face of the earth. Evil is quick
to condemn humanity for its many sins. However, Evil does NOT
take people into hell to be punished. Why would Evil want them there?
Evil doesn't even like them! Evil only takes those that it thinks
will help it in the fight to destroy humanity. (God, of course,
wants only to save humanity.)
Thus everyone goes to heaven, except for the truly Evil, who go
to Hell to join the forces of Evil.
The christians say that while we are alive, God wants us to find
good. Yet, they say when we die, God gives up on us! I don't think
God gives up.All in all, I think I have much more faith in God
than most christians. If they had faith they wouldn't be so into
the bible. The bible is just a book. It gets in the way. Christians
cling to it because it is their only proof. But religion is beyond
proof. You can only have faith.
As for me, I support the forces of Evil. I think humanity is
basically no damn good. Best to wipe it off the face of the earth.

Hiz Lord Dementia
-- 
"You can't help that. We're all mad here."-The cheshire cat, Alice in WL

"A mass hysteria/a megalomania/reveal Dementia/reveal"-Metallica                
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: To all christians
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:31:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov15.053331.23465@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus) writes:
>I don't think homosexuals are born either; thats why I asked for a reference.
>I still have not gotten one from him & doubt I ever will, as he has
>conveniently decided to change the subject. Sound familiar?

I asked my mom, she says I was born...  I don't remember being beamed down
from a flying saucer or anything like that, but then I don't remember being
born either...

Maybe it's giant conspiracy...  maybe that story about the cabbage patch
*was* true...

Tim
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: The Process Church
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:57:28 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

##rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: While I'm busy asking all these questions, anyone care to tell me about the
: Process Church, that poor misunderstood organization that keeps getting lumped
: in with us evil folks?
: 
: --Semhaza####

Again??? Did it ever ocur to you that maybe you're not being taken
seriously? Perhaps, reflecting on your Eshin-Fun rebuttal, it is you that
are a flake.

Bes

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: What I think
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:47:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.105412.6902@cheshire.oxy.edu>, dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes:
> Here's what I beleive.
> 
> The christians say that all those who are good and do not sin go
> to heaven, all those who are bad and sin go to hell. I do not think
> this is so. 

How can you not think this is so, haven't you heard them say it?  I have...
Newsgroups: alt.satanism