From: marwang@caip.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:13:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com (Itzhak Kremer) writes:



>This newsgroup has got to be one of the greatest collections of garbage
>on the net.

True ... I smelled the scent when the title of your article came up on
my screen.

>1) Gharaybeh is proud that he can refute the great "black lie" that the
>   Jews "WERE NOT THE FIRST TO BE IN PALESTINE". But who ever claimed
>   that absurdity?
>    
>   Gharaybeh, there is a book called "the Bible". Most Jews and
>   Christians have heard of it. Whether you believe in it or not, the
>   Bible is the most authoritative book on what the Jews' claim is their
>   right to the Land of Israel.

Not true ... The Zionist claim in Palestine have always been "Historical".
If you are saying that this "Historical" claim is SOLELY originated from
your bible then the zionist "Historical" claim in Palestine is very week.
Are we supposed to believe that the Jewish people are the best people on
earth ?!!!

Allowing those 1-meter-beard-long people to teach us about the history
is not understandable nor credible. History is history, and the way
something enters in the history (believe it or not) is by wars, blood
and killings. The religious books do not stand as a credible document
in this context.

Does you bible preaches its followers to:

  1) Hunt down 10 year olds in the streets with machine guns.

  2) Continuous oppressing the other people living along side the jews
     with fire and iron.

  3) allowing only people whose mother (not father or one's self) is
     Jewish to illegally immigrate to Palestine and deport the 
     righteous owners.

And by the way please post from your bible the International borders
of EREST YETSRAEL as promised by your bible, so that every one can see
and judge for themselves.

Taking the bible to be the only source by which the "legality" of the
foundation of the illegal state of Israel is deducted is not only
very week but it is also untrue ... I am sure that most of the zionists
on this net do not agree with you. The zionist claim in Palestine had
always been historical and if you look into several of those heroic
documentaries about the creation of this illegal state you would 
know beyond any doubt that you do not know what you are talking about.

>   Before you put your foot in your mouth
>   again, try reading the Bible and you'll get a very clear picture of
>   what we claim is our 'historical right'.  You just refuted a lie which
>   you invented. BRAVO!
>   

Put your foot in your whatever ... You do not know what you are talking
about. Please re-read the history about the creation of the illegal
state of Israel and you would know that it does not only stem from
your bible.

>2) Yes, you're right "In those 3000 years a lot has changed" but if
>   Palestinians can claim (proudly?) a linkage to those primitive,
>   child-sacrificing pagan nations (Philistines, Caananites, etc.)  which
>   even the Koran detests and which even you agree pre-date the Hebrews,
>   then why do you see it as incomprehensible that we claim descendance
>   from the original Hebrews?
>   
Again you demonstrate public stupidity ... 3000 years ago Islam was not
even born yet.

>3) I'd like to know what Jewish source you've got that claims we are a
>   "race". I've heard Jews claim that we are a nation, culture, ethnic
>   group and even religion but only the anti-semites call us a "race".

Arabs are Semite ... They cannot be Anti-Semite.

>   What gives the Israeli Army the right and OBLIGATION to "hunt down"
>   stone-throwers is the right of the Israeli people to live in security.

Itzhak is telling us that it is a right and OBLIGATION for the police
to hunt down 10 year olds who are trying to get rid of the ugly 
oppressor. WELL ITZHAK does that mean that it was the right and
obligations of the chinese police to hunt down the people that gathered
in Tiniamin square in china ... or was it a right and OBLIGATION for the
communists to hunt down those CRIMINALS that gathered near the Kremlin
one year ago shouting DOWN WITH COMMUNISM ....

Civilian uprising has always been a praised one. And history again
proves that.

>   I certainly would not like to live in a country where even 10-year
>   olds are given the freedom to stone and fire-bomb cars at will - would
>   you?????
>  
These 10 year olds are fighting for a righteous principle, a principle,
something you would never understand.

>-Itzhak
>  

--Marwan
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