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From: kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas)
Subject: Re: New HP Workstations
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:05:06 GMT
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory

In article <BxM0Mu.2B3@ra.nrl.navy.mil> atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
>In article <1dtq85INNb7o@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com> b_kondalski@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com (Brian J. Kondalski) writes:
>>Actually I'd like to see someone compile a list of all the current workstations
>>and show their performance relative to each other (maybe even with the list
>>prices for a similar configuration).  I'd be willing to do it if someone would
>>mail me the specs for the various platforms.
>
>  That should not be posted to the net.  Advertisements and blatently
>commercial postings such as a ranking or rating or listing of
>commercial workstation products do not belong anywhere outside
>comp.newprod or biz.* or alt.*.
>
>  Such information should be emailed rather than posted to the net.
>This is long standing stuff if one goes and reads old postings on
>netiquette in news.newusers and other such places.
>
>Ran
>atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil

I disagree.  New major product announcements and pricing info should be made
available to people in groups such as this.  These announcements are big news,
and there are a lot of us that really need the information.

People are talking about the new Sun products, including pricing in the Sun
groups.  I've yet to see one complaint about this, and I really appreciate the
information.

	Kevin W. Thomas
	National Severe Storms Laboratory
	Norman, Oklahoma
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jwoods@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Jeff Woods)
Subject: Re: HP7933, HP7935, HP7935+"Cache Memory"
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:14:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <BxK6uq.I2v@lysator.liu.se> root@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson) writes:
|What is the difference between the HP 7933, the HP7935 and
|a HP7935 with a sticker "CACHE Memory"?

The 7933 disk drive is a 404 Mb drive with a removable disc pack which HP 
decided during testing (apparently) was unreliable unless the pack was never
removed, so they disabled the user-removal of the pack feature and sold it
anyway.  The 7935 is a 7933 which has the drive opening mechanism installed
and HP charged more for it.  I think maintenance was more expensive also.
They are identical in every other way.  [And 7933 drives are user openable
(but not supported in that way) if you pay attention to a CE working on one
or are good with mechanical and lock puzzles.]

The Cache Memory sticker indicates that a cached controller is installed
in the drive.  The standard 7933 & 7935 drives transferred data directly from
disk to the HPIB bus without any buffering, hence the slower rotation speed
of the drive: to match the HPIB bus speed.  Both the 7933 and 7935 support
cache memory.  The cache memory was an option introduced years after the 
drives were and was available as an option on new drives after that and as
an upgrade option for older drives.  Therefore, you may find drives with the
upgrade installed without the sticker applied and (less likely) vice versa.

It's been a few years since we got rid of our 7933s, but I'm reasonably 
certain of my facts still.

Sorry, I've never used them on the 9000.  We used them on the HP3000 only.
-- 
jwoods@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Jeff Woods at CompuTrac, Inc.)
stdinfo: "My opinions are my own."
"You don't need a programmer so much as you need a exorcist." - A. Chambers
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: New to HPs...Thinking about buying one...need advice...
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:22:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I'm thinking about buying a computer soon and I've been looking at
NeXTs and Suns and wanted to compare them to HPs. I have a couple of
questions....

1) Does HP have an educational discount if so where to I find out 
what it is?

2) Also what series 9000 machines are there between 8-15k before edu
discount and what are the benchmarks (MIPs,SPECmarks?) and are they
color, etc.?

(Also part of 2 which ones have the PA-RISC chip and do any allow
multiple processors for later updates of power).

3) I hear HP-UX is getting better but is still not that great. What's
the real story and what windowing environment is there for HPs?

Thanks for the help and please email replies.....
CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: X - HP Vue - Motif - My Applications Resources ?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:15:44 GMT

In article <Bx930F.7rt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> e-sink@uiuc.edu writes:
>qualtrak@netcom.com (Qual Trak) writes:
>
>The only full solution we found, and the one our product ships with,
>is to provide a Palette file which contains the colors we wanted.
>Then, VUE is handling the situation no matter what, it's just a choice
>of our colors or its colors.

How do you deal with the situation where you don't know what colours
you want/need until the application is running (as will happen in
pict/xgif when it determines the colours used by the GIF file)?
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: Hendrik.Klompmaker@beheer.zod.wau.nl (Hendrik.Klompmaker)
Subject: How to setup HPVUE running on OS/2 Xserver
Keywords: VUE,OS2
Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:54:43 GMT

Hi there,

This is my first post to this news group (we are only able to use news since 
today). I'm sure it has been discussed before but I would like to know how 
to configure VUE (on a 730) to display it's login screen on a OS/2-2.0 PC 
with IBM's tcp/ip version 1.2 option. I can get X screen's on the PC after a 
telnet login and starting an X application with the -d option but have been 
unable to get the VUE login screen. VUE does run (of course) on the console'
s. I remember that an option to add an X-terminal was in SAM but since 
we moved to C-2 securety it looks like it disappeared. There must be a 
simple way to get this running.

Greetings

Hendrik.

PS. we are running HPUX 8.07

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From: cdb@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Carl Burch)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:48:40 GMT
Subject: Re: What's 'P-fixup again???
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


   Several questions on comp.sys.hp lately have involved the Gnu C compiler
and the linker message below :

        gcc  test_h.o -o test_h ../libg++.a -lm
ld: R_DATA_ONE_SYMBOL fixup in file ../libg++.a(streambuf.o) for code unsat
symbol "abort" - use P' fixup
collect: /bin/ld returned 1 exit status

   This is caused by the code generator emitting assembly code in a data
subspace to initialize a function pointer, equivalent to :

	.word	foo

where (in this case) foo() is an extern, and shared libraries are referenced
by the executable being built (usually libc.sl).  

   The linker is being helpful by pointing out a fatal error waiting
to happen, as function pointers are different in the presence of shared
libraries.  A different fixup is needed to generate the kind of procedure
label that can be called.  This is explained under "Procedure Labels" in
Chapter 7 of "Programming on HP-UX" (Part # B2355-90026 E0892) and at the
end of "Expressions" in Chapter 1 of the Assembly Language Reference Manual
(Part # 92432-90001 E0191).

   There are two ways to fix this :
	1) Change the code generation to the equivalent of :
		.word P%foo
	or
	2) Link the program using the "-a archive" linker option.  The
	easiest way to do this is via the LDOPTS environment variable :
		setenv LDOPTS "-a archive"
		 - or -
		LDOPTS="-a archive"; export LDOPTS

   The first fixes the problem directly, generating an R_DATA_PLABEL fixup
which is unambiguous whether shared libraries are present or not.  The
second puts you back in time to the situation before shared libraries were
added to HP-UX.  Without shared libraries HP-UX drew no distinction between
code addresses and procedure labels - an ambiguity that the P% fixup syntax
resolves.

   The reason the linker can't just fix this situation is that there are
cases where code addresses are implicitly or explicitly desired, cases that
are part of the motivation for having an assembler to begin with.
Unfortunately, in this case a message designed to be helpful to an errant
assembly programmer is instead a symptom of an out-of-date code generator,
and is too low-level to help the people seeing it.  The other alternative
(letting the program segmentation violate at runtime with no warning) would
be more likely to result in the user blaming the Gnu code generator instead
of HP's linker, but otherwise very little more satisfying.

						Carl Burch
						HP California Language Lab
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't get paid to speak for myself, let alone HP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: urle@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Uli Betzler (urle))
Subject: Re: Secure telnet wanted - no shell escapes.
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:32:44 GMT

In article <7371459@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein) writes:
|> > I'm looking for either an executable or the source of a version of
|> > telnet that I can use on HP-UX and which doesn't allow shell escapes.

I've patched the binary for 8.0 to remove 'z' (suspend) and '!' (shell
escape) from the program - seems to work fine.

You can find it at ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (129.13.96.2)
as file /pub/hp-ux/sec-telnet.

urle

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dowjat@mcis2.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: pr
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  5 NOV 92 11:40:23 EDT


From: blh@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Bill Hassell)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:16:57 GMT
Subject: Re: ZMODEM / Ymodem
Organization: Kudzu Headquarters South
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Try the program /usr/bin/umodem.  It is the basic XMODEM protocol
which YMODEM/ZMODEM should support, and is not as efficient (smaller
record sizes) but most all PC emulators will work with umodem.

Start the transfer (after logging in on the HP side) by telling umodem
which direction and file type (receive or send, ASCII or binary) plus
the target filename (filenames are not carried thru XMODEM protocol).
Then switch to the PC's emulator and send/receive the file.

Bill (works fine, lasts a long time) Hassell
From: cdb@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Carl Burch)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:51:45 GMT
Subject: Re: INFO: GNU products on HP9000s700. Also GCC 2.3.1 on same.
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> B - Linker problems:
> 1) fontutils-0.6 
> gcc -O -o limn -L/usr/lib/X11R4 -L/usr/local/lib/X11 -g  curve.o display.o fit.o main.o output-bzr.o pxl-outline.o xserver.o version.o .././lib/lib.a .././gf/gf.a .././pk/pk.a .././bzr/bzr.a .././tfm/tfm.a .././widgets/widgets.a .././lib/lib.a -static -L/usr/lib/X11R4 -L/usr/local/lib/X11 -lXaw -lXmu -lXext -lXt -lX11.././lib/dlsym.o  -lm
> ld: R_DATA_ONE_SYMBOL fixup in file .././widgets/widgets.a(Label.o) for code unsat symbol "_XtInherit" - use P' fixup
> collect: /bin/ld returned 1 exit status

   Several questions on comp.sys.hp lately have involved the Gnu C compiler
and the linker message above :

   This is caused by the code generator emitting assembly code in a data
subspace to initialize a function pointer, equivalent to :

	.word	foo

where (in this case) foo() is an extern, and shared libraries are referenced
by the executable being built (usually libc.sl).  

   The linker is being helpful by pointing out a fatal error waiting
to happen, as function pointers are different in the presence of shared
libraries.  A different fixup is needed to generate the kind of procedure
label that can be called.  This is explained under "Procedure Labels" in
Chapter 7 of "Programming on HP-UX" (Part # B2355-90026 E0892) and at the
end of "Expressions" in Chapter 1 of the Assembly Language Reference Manual
(Part # 92432-90001 E0191).

   There are two ways to fix this :
	1) Change the code generation to the equivalent of :
		.word P%foo
	or
	2) Link the program using the "-a archive" linker option.  The
	easiest way to do this is via the LDOPTS environment variable :
		setenv LDOPTS "-a archive"
		 - or -
		LDOPTS="-a archive"; export LDOPTS

   The first fixes the problem directly, generating an R_DATA_PLABEL fixup
which is unambiguous whether shared libraries are present or not.  The
second puts you back in time to the situation before shared libraries were
added to HP-UX.  Without shared libraries HP-UX drew no distinction between
code addresses and procedure labels - an ambiguity that the P% fixup syntax
resolves.

   The reason the linker can't just fix this situation is that there are
cases where code addresses are implicitly or explicitly desired, cases that
are part of the motivation for having an assembler to begin with.
Unfortunately, in this case a message designed to be helpful to an errant
assembly programmer is instead a symptom of an out-of-date code generator,
and is too low-level to help the people seeing it.  The other alternative
(letting the program segmentation violate at runtime with no warning) would
be more likely to result in the user blaming the Gnu code generator instead
of HP's linker, but otherwise very little more satisfying.

						Carl Burch
						HP California Language Lab
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't get paid to speak for myself, let alone HP.
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Secure telnet wanted - no shell escapes.
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:49:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> I'm looking for either an executable or the source of a version of
> telnet that I can use on HP-UX and which doesn't allow shell escapes.

I assume you mean a shell escape from the telnet session back to the
system on which telnet was invoked.  I don't know of such a version, but
I did observe this:

	SHELL=/dev/null telnet foo

Now if I press ^] (the telnet escape character) and then "!  date" while
in telnet command input mode, I get a complaint that permission is
denied.  To make this work requires that you can securely set the SHELL
value passed to telnet on the client system.  Will it work for you?
From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: hpterm's cut and paste
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:18:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Perhaps this is not a good explanation, but I was feeling vocal ;-)

I would guess that when the CAPS-lock key is "in place," the mouse
buttons are now going trigger the actions for Shift-Left, Shift-Right,
and Shift-Middle (probably not the *real* VUE/X terms...).

Now, things start to get really fuzzy... There *might* be a program in
the InterWorks library that puts a caps-lock indicator on the screen.
I believe that an index of the library's holdings is posted on a
periodic basis.

One other thing to do is to go into the resource settings and define
Shift-Left, Shift-Right, and Shift-Middle to trigger the same actions
as Left, Right, and Middle.

rick jones
but then, I just "do" networking ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: CDTV/Amiga-CD base?
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.105841.23730@coli.uni-sb.de>, leibrock@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Gerhard Leibrock) writes:
|> Hello all,
|> I would also appreciate a seperate newsgroup just for AMIGA and
|> CD-ROM devices.
|> I do own a CDTV and I did ask CBM for information. They were very
|> friendly and did answer by sending some ads from different
|> companies and a 'complete' list with all available CD's and
|> CD's which will come soon.
|> EPIC will come !!!!

   Sorry for the ingorance, but what's EPIC?
|> 
|> 
|> Gerhard Leibrock, Neuhaeuselerstr. 12, D-W6654 Kirkel 2, Germany
|> Voice: (+49) 6849/6134, E-Mail: leibrock@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de
|> E-Mail longer than 30kB: gele@stud.rz.uni-sb.de

-- 
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        \X/  Avid user of AmigaVision, sending mail from Mayaguez, Puerto Rico 
---------
           "If the PC or Mac continues to be the standard,
            the SkyNet will never be built." - OUCH! were not my words!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Who is the best for multimedia?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:54:24 GMT

In article <Mike_Whalen.0z3x@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen) writes:

[ ]
>
>  QuickTime is not slow at all. It DOES depend on how you render it. If I
>rendered it full screen with the new version (which comes with 7.1) it
>would work quite well. Right now, taking a QT movie with a logo rotating
>mapped with a reflective chrome, it runs pretty well at larger sizes. 

Hmm..is this the same QuickTime I've been using? I realize there's now a 1.5
version, but it would have to be a lot faster to be of any use in 
presentations. There's a difficulty with multimedia. The Amiga is probably
the better hardware platform, but the Mac has a lot more software unrelated
to multimedia which one might want to encorporate into presentations...
>
>  What I want to see is full speed full-time. 

Would be nice. 
> 
> P> Well, with the A4000 available now, and a1200's pretty close to
> P> production,
> P> you could easily use the more powerful 4000 for production, and 1200s
> P> as 
> P> kiosk delivery systems, etc. This would be a far cheaper solution than
> P> having a Quadra for production, etc.. 
>
>Or the new Centris. Another Possibility.
>
>Yes, several new Apples announced today.
>
>Apple Centris 600 & 650
>Apple Quadra 800
>Apple LC III
>Apple Color Classic
>
>Quadra 700, iici, iisi.. discontinued.

Hey, wait a minute. Are you referring to the MacWeek article? I'd hardly 
call that an announcement. On the other hand if Apple has officially 
announced something then I'm sorry. A colour Classic would be a nice computer,
as are the A1200/4000/....It's a good time to be looking at computers.

[ ]
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: Steven_Hurdle@amusers.UUCP (Steven Hurdle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: CDTV/Amiga-CD base?
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:09:45 PST
Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

Hello all.  This base seems to be more geared towards doing multimedia WORK
than simply engaging in using a CDTV "multimedia" disc.  It seems to me
that it's sensible to split the two, the development and the use, into
their own separate newsgroups.  So, what does anyone think about setting up
a comp.sys.amiga.CD-ROM base (non-CDTV CD-ROM messaging accepted with Amiga
relevance, of course).

With the A570 finally available most places and other Amigas being hooked
up to CD-ROM drives through CD file-systems such as from Canadian Prototype
Replicas, interest is rising more quickly than before.  I'm just about to
get a CDTV myself and would participate in such a newsgroup.

Comments?

Steven Hurdle..........                         Amiga & SupraFAXmodem
power!
                        The Swindler...........
Victoria BC, Canada;                            Writer of "Virtual Rumours"

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Amigavision Pro questions
Keywords: AmigaVision
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:28:25 GMT
Reply-To: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <17240@mindlink.bc.ca> Manjit_Bedi@mindlink.bc.ca (Manjit Bedi) writes:
>What I really want to know is what kind of DCTV support it might have.
>

AmigaVision Professional works the same as the "classic" AmigaVision:
if you have DCTV, it will display DCTV pictures, but you cannot add 
brushes on top of them.


Cathy
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              Cathy Godfrey   {rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!cathy
              Authoring System Support Specialist        
              Commodore Applications and Technical Support 
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From: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: AmigaVision Question
Keywords: AmigaVision
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:09:59 GMT
Reply-To: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <BxBHGy.IzF@scd.hp.com> kevint@hpsadqa.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci) writes:
>I know this has been asked before but I have never seen an answer.
>
>Is the PD AmigaVision Flow player available yet?  and if so where?
>

The AV Player is not available yet.  As soon as it is, I'll be sure
to post a message.

Cathy
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              Cathy Godfrey   {rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!cathy
              Authoring System Support Specialist        
              Commodore Applications and Technical Support 
              ============================================
From: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: AmigaVision Pro - more Questions
Keywords: AmigaVision
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov09.190438.13686@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453) writes:
>
>  Is AmigaVision Pro out there now?  If not when?

AmigaVision Professional is not available yet. Please be patient 
just a little longer. And believe the fact that we want to release 
the product just as much as you want to see it! :-)

>  Will it support AGA?  IFF24?  AnimBrushes?

We have full support for ANIM Brushes. You can play an ANIM brush,
control the number of loops and even alter the speed of the brush.
You can also give an ANIM brush a path so it will move across the
screen as it animates.

There is basic support for the AA chip set (AGA graphics). AmigaVision
Professional can display AA pictures and brushes and play AA animations. 

There is no direct support for IFF24 pictures in the new AmigaVision.

>  Will it allow to specify frame/sec speed in anims so you won't have
>to go to the original package and change the speed? (as with Dpaint, for
>example).

You can modify the speed of ANIM playback in AmigaVision Professional.  

Cathy
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              Cathy Godfrey   {rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!cathy
              Authoring System Support Specialist        
              Commodore Applications and Technical Support 
              ============================================