HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: bathing cats
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:47:01 GMT

Actualy Davad W. is right about being able to get a cat used to the
water. Not all cats even hate the water. I had a cat once that loved
the water (not because she was goten used to it) had to bath with the
bathroom door closed because she would jump into the tub with you. When
a cat swims their claws become exposed. :)

ELF-KIN
From: swanson@sn1.cvm.ncsu.edu (Catlyn Gregory)
Subject: re: Where are those NC pagans?
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: NCSU College of Vet Med
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:24:38 GMT

Blessings and many thanks to all those who have responded to my request to
get to know local pagans. Unfortunately, at this time, the POP server (or
whatever the damn thingee is!) on my boss' station is bugging out. As soon
as I can locate another station from which I can e-mail, I 'll contact
everyone who was so kind as to give their addresses.
Thanks for your patience!

Catlyn
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Subject: Fight the Funny-Mentals in Washington State
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:53:06 GMT


The following is the text of a full-page advertisement on the back of this
week's Seattle Gay News.  I thought it would be of special interest to
folks in Washington - and other states where the people who think they
have the corner on the "family values" market are gearing up (i.e.,
California, Idaho, etc.). 

---------

                        KILL FAGS

                [Spray-painted graffito]

  Bigotry and hate are not pretty sights, but soon 
there may be more. 
  Because the same people who brought Measure 9 to
Oregon declaring homosexuality "abnormal, wrong,
                                unnatural and
        NOW THEY WANT           perverse," now
        TO BRING THEIR HATE     want to try their
        TO WASHINGTON           luck right here
                                in Washington.
                                  According to
an October 22, 1992 _Seattle Times_ report, "that effort
is already under way."
  Then again, so is another effort.
  A new group, Washington Citizens for Fairness, is
now laying the necessary groundwork to soundly defeat
any ballot measure remotely akin to Oregon's Measure 9
should it be placed before the voters of Washington.
  Our "Hands Off Washington Campaign" needs your
help now, in the early stages, to fund essential research
on voter attitudes, to develop a statewide network of key
contacts, to identify potential coordinators and more.
  It's true we can't always stop people from putting
hate and bigotry on the ballot.  But we can stop them
from winning.
  Let us know if you can help.

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   IF WE MUST FIGHT, WE MUST WIN.
   I'm ready to draw the line on bigotry and hatred.

   [ ] You may use my name as an endorsement
   Signature _______________________________________

   [ ] Enclosed is my early contribution of:
        [ ] $25   [ ] $50   [ ]   $100 Other _______

   [ ] I can:  [ ] Host a fundraiser  [ ] Work on mailings  [ ] Other

   Name ____________________________________________
   Address _________________________________________    WASHINGTON
   City ______________ State ___________ Zip _______    CITIZENS for
   Daytime Phone ___________________________________    FAIRNESS
   Evening Phone ___________________________________

   Please make checks payable to WCFF.     The Hands Off Washington Campaign
   Paid for by the Washington Citizens      P.O. Box 4828, Seattle, WA 98104
   for Fairness, Tim Bradbury, Treasurer.
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-- 
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"Love is like the Universe, No reason to exist, But here it is!"
			     - Linda Waterfall, "Love Out of Nowhere"
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox)
Subject: Re: Pagan Bumper Stickers
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:28:55 GMT

>I've seen "blessed Be" and "An it Harm None" bumperstickers at Sci-Fi cons...

This does not necessarily mean that the person with the sticker isn't a pagan.
I'm a pagan and it's cheaper to do SF cons than it is to pay $70 to go camp
in a primitive campsite at a festival.  I'd venture to say that 98% of the 
pagan bumperstickers at cons are on vehicles belonging to pagans.


LRFOX
From: alizard@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: the US elections...
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:51:06 GMT

Re: Re: the US elections...
By: heimberg #0 @pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger) USEnet      
 
> From: heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: the US elections...
> >4. Evidence is mounting that they [Republicans] are out to get us. 
> >(by us, I mean pagans)
> Please cite your evidence, and use documented, verifiable sources...
> not a challenge, just a request.
> BB.

In this context, I'm stating that the Religious Radical Right = the National
and Calif. State GOP. If you want verification on this, get a copy of the
platforms of these organizations. 

The first example that comes to mind is the recent account of a Wiccan group
in Walnut Creek, CA that protested a lecture given to the Traditional Values
Coalition on the subject of Wicca... identifying Wicca with Satanism. (I'd
use [Traditional Values Coalition] [Wicca] [Walnut Creek] as search keywords)

Other examples of organized Christian attacks on minorites perceived to be
anti-Christian can be found in Propositions 2 and 9, the anti-gay initiatives.
This is based on the assumption that ANY visibly non-Christian group (e.g.
pagans) is a probable target. 

For more info, your options are to wait for feedback on the newsgroup or
wait for me to do a search of my HD and floppies... I have other interesting
examples, some of which never made the media... 

Or, you can run more keyword searches using the obvious keywords on the wire
service or New York Times databases... you might find digging the raw info
yourself out more convincing... (besides, it's easier to put something ONTO
my HD than dig it out... especially when EVERYTHING is in compressed archive
format)
blessings...
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: alizard@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: raising children
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 03:27:58 PST

Re: Re: raising children
By: ailsa%ailanth.uucp #0 @wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) USEnet      
 
> From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
> Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.sex,alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: raising children
> Date: 8 Nov 92 12:55:45 GMT
> these standard sex roles warp people.  for some, they may be natural,
> but what about those of us for whom they are not?  spending your life
> having your nearest and dearest accuse you of being a transsexual
> because of stupid society gender roles really REALLY sucks...  all
> qualities and actions that humans are capable of having/doing are
> HUMAN, not male or female, anmd calling them otherwise is unreasonably
> limiting.  what makes crying, wanting ot be protected, enjoying being
> romatically courted, or caring about one's clothing feminine?  what
> makes emotional repression, protectiveness, enjoying courting in a
> dramatic way, or being indifferent to clothing masculine?  nothing but
> that someone has said so, and others believe it.

Well said!!!

Blessed Be...
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Tipper Gore (or "Gee, crow tastes like shit, doesn't it?)
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:43:49 GMT

Re: Tipper Gore (or "Gee, crow tastes like shit, doesn't it?)
By: cortese #0 @skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) USEnet      
 
> From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Tipper Gore (or "Gee, crow tastes like shit, doesn't it?)
> Date: 10 Nov 92 03:44:20 GMT
> and how extreme she really was and likely is yet.  Obviously this
> involves a radical rethinking of this entire fiasco; her position is
> clearly unacceptable and yes, even dangerous.  Thanks for clearing it up

It needn't be a fiasco unless we (and hopefully, a lot of other freedom
loving people) let it be. Join your local ACLU, and write your elected
officials when it seems to be called for, and keep an eye on the back pages
of newspapers, the kind of thing a person into censorship would start doing
would be found there, if she chose to start slowly. 

This time in history, like other times, is a simple repetition of a theme,
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance". At least there is probably only
one of Tippe Gore associated with the Clinton Administration. We aren't going
to have a President who will be appointing religious fundamentalists en masse
to appointive offices (e.g. the Supreme Court) Clinton's election is not owed
to fundies, when they voted based on religion, they voted for Bush. 

I admit to having been a little shaken by the information on Tippe that
surfaced here. But while she is in a position of more influence, her actions
will be much better reported. Relax, take a deep breath, and keep your eyes
open for things Tippe decides to do that might affect freedom of speech. And
be glad SHE'S not the Vice President.

Blessings,
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: hart0037@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:05:57 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <BxLCsA.H00@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> qsc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Bouncey the SHFB) writes: 

>Personally, I find women to be a bit milder on the average, and that
>would be a definite plus.  I also think they are generally a lot
>prettier, and I would much rather have an attractive president ;-}
    [etc]
>However, just because I think women would be slightly better than
>men as rulers doesn't mean that I think that men should never rule.

    Are women any better, or just different?  I've seen both sexes 
abuse power, and I've seen both sexes be effective leaders.  Maybe the
difference is between people who want to facilitate and lead ("you may
follow me if you find my ideas valid"), and people who want to *rule*
("follow me or else")?  Maybe women seem milder (on average) because
historically they have been barred from ruling and resort to leading.  
I think women are as capable as men of becoming despotic rulers if 
given the chance, but I hope our experience of being the subjects of
rule gives us the wisdom to not repeat the mistake. 

>In cases where it is between a man without silly
>ideas that would clutter the position and a woman with silly ideas
>that would clutter the position, the man should get it.  Otherwise,
>usually woman should.  (They're prettier.)

  I am curious as to why your perception that women are attractive 
comes up twice in your posting (is humor your intent?).  I cannot speak 
for all women, but personally, I am tired of being judged by my looks
instead of my ideas and my character. If you percieved a woman to be
ugly, would you take the time to consider whether or not you find 
her "silly", or is an "unsilly" man better than an ugly but 
"unsilly" woman? 

   --Amy
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Bumper Stickers
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:26:55 GMT
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

In article <1992Nov8.175029.29508@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
>I (radzy) said:
>>I've seen "blessed Be" and "An it Harm None" bumperstickers at Sci-Fi cons...
>
>lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox) writes:
>> This does not necessarily mean that the person with the sticker isn't a pagan.
>
>No, but the fact that you can *buy* those bumper stickers at Sci-Fi
>cons does imply that not everyone who has such a bumper sticker
>(on their car) is pagan.  Because of this, I'm uncomfortable trying
>to use bumper sticker sales as a measure of how many pagans there are.

Excuse me, since I'm coming in on the middle of this thread, but I 
think you're implying that (many?) pagan bumper stickers sold at
sf cons are sold to non-pagans. This might be the case, but it
seems to me that there are a lot of pagans who go to sf cons. 
I think of paganism and sf fandom as highly compatible and
somewhat overlapping subcultures. 
>
>Like I said earlier, "An it harm none" and "Practice random acts of
>kindness" are not implicitly pagan.  There are sources for these that
>are outside of the typical pagan circles (pun not intended).
>
Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
calligraphic button catalogue available by email

Witches use brooms because nature abhors a vacuum
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Lyrics: Famous and Dandy
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 8 Nov 1992 06:41:01 UTC

Here's some different sheet I thought I'd try, let me know if ya likes
or don't, or don't, or don't. It's not official or nuthin', just what me
'ears.

Famous and Dandy, Disposable Heroes of Hiphopcrisy
[sound of circular saw with metal cutting blade over the funky drummer]
an' I thought we was doin' this 'cause we's music lovers?
what will we do to become famous and dandy,
[oh Lord knows!]
just like Amos and Andy?

it's quite a spectacle to see us landed
waste recepticles as if we've planned it
we're never skeptical when we get branded
then disrespectful 'cause we feel abandoned
the height of mediocrity is the challenge
crawling through the entrails of imbalance
we learn to like to be the heroes
we learn to like to be brand name
we learn to laugh to avoid being angry
and we learn to kill and go hungry
we learn not to feel for protection
and we learn to fondle when we get an erection

live on believing we're greater than circumstance
infinitely stronger than chance
our first press his hand and we taste the double standard
the need to wear the mask
and with society nurturing the sight of plastic surgery
begins to take effect
as our souls watch astounded, our characters flounder
duplicitous identity
diction and contradiction have become the skills of assimilation
raise our hopes of perfection from the moment of creation
it's gone from identity crisis to survival 
sling-shot to rifle, sin to revival
try to get looked at, but not poked in the eyeball
the wont of our impurity, afraid of insecurity
real like experts of the artificial
athletes and entertainers have become the minstrels of commercials

uneducated, underdeveloped, undisciplined, but mostly unaware
we join the flavor of the month club, we swallow the flavor of the month
when holding our crotch was the flavor of the month
bitchdis, bitchdat was the flavor of the month
being a thug the flavor of the month
sayin' no to drugs the flavor of the month
tango the flavor of the month
then rocco the flavor of the month
addidas shoes the flavor of the month
bashing dudes the flavor of the month
gentrification the flavor of the month
isolation the flavor of the month
my pockets so empty I can feel my testicles 
'cause I spent all my money on some plastic African necklaces
and I still don't know what the colors mean, red, black, and green
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Re: politices
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:52:25 GMT

In article <BxB09v.1nu@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>If you want things to git done pester your congrise men. The only powers that
>the president really has are the veto and he can send troops in before 
>informing congrese and if congrese decides to bring the troops back they 
>come back. The president is little more then a figure head. As of yet
>doesnt even have the right to line itome veto! As far as I am concerned
>an alternit spelling for presedent is s-c-a-p-e g-o-o-t. Keep this in
>mind. Congrese is able to over ride the pesedents veto with a 
>vote of 2/3 of the house and senite!
>
>ELF-KIN	"by the prickling of my thomb someting wickid this way

This assumes that the president is some sort of vacuum. In reality, the
position of president is a unique position of power, and if one has had
their US government classes in school, there is the established balance
of power between the executive BRANCH, the Congress, and the Supreme Court.

I emphasize "branch" because the president is surrounded by a cabinet, and
his/her (someday?) vice president presides over the Senate. The executive
branch is in a unique lobbying position, and a 2/3rds override is something
that is not so simple, as evidenced by the fact that only ONCE during
Bush's reign was one of his vetoes overridden, and that during the election
campaign; he had a record number of vetoes for a modern president. In other
words, he acted more unilaterally than most of our presidents. The "deadlock"
he kept harping about was really just another way of pointing the finger
elsewhere. Bush is not known as a consensus builder.

Blessings,

Murray
 
-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Annoying, cloying "wann-be"s
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:23:51 GMT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

>    What an absolutly perfect example of why people have trouble with
> sci-fi/fantasy fans! You are starting to sound just like the people I
> problems with! Being so over-defensive is NOT something that is going
> your cause. Also, not everybody *wants* to submerge themselves in "mai
> sci-fi/fantasy fandom so as to get a good view of it. So much of the g
> is so badly written, (we have already gone over the fact that there is
> stuff there too, don't jump on this one) it's no wonder people like An
> have trouble associating such dreck with thinking people above age 11.
> may have run into some sexist crap too, more than enough of that out t
> be offended by!
>
"people" have trouble with "sci-fi/fantasy fans".  how nice.  we fans
are not people.  how nice.  fantasy/SF literature has no greater
percentage of sexist bullshit that any other genre, if you actually
cared to look insteaad of blather.

>    If you want to be taken seriously and not written off as a child wi
> an ultra-thin skin, PLEASE don't blow up like this!!! You do us all a
> dis-service when you do. And just think for a moment, if you blew up l
> this at someone who had been misinformed by a fundie about Witchcraft
> think you would enlighten or alienate them? My point.
>
written off as a child by whom?  you?  why should he care?  mark has
been around for a while.  we know him.  those of us who respect him,
respect him.  if you choose not to, that is your problem.

>    And a lot of people here being sci-fi/fantasy fans? I'm getting
> fan-mail as well as hate-mail now. It seems to be about equal or sleig
> more twards anti-"fanboy" if you count those who are just venting frus
> with the types of idiots I discussed in my first posts. But some peopl
> have a *lot* harsher words for sci-fi/fantasy fans than I do. (Don't w
> folks, I'm not going to post your messages or "out" you to the net, I'
> counting numbers and replying!)
>
well, i did a poll a few months back and got tons of responses from
people who are SF-fans/RPGers/comic book collectors.  there's a LOT of
overlap.  live with it.

>    As for e-mail, I got a string of garbage, maybe from you?, no words
> just static. Something wrong with your port or modem?
>
>
ashley, you are a fuckhead.


                                             -ailsa

p.s. anybody want to start a thread on pagan elements in Swamp Thing?
*grin*

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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: greetings
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:31:52 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Nov6.044744.2440@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
dwindsor@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Windsor) writes: 

>Good news if your seem to be alergic to cats, chances you are only alergic
>to cat dandruf (yes cats do have dandruf) if the cat is bathed about once
>a week most alergy sufferers have no problems around the cat.

Bathe a cat? BATHE a cat? WEEKLY?

You are obviously talking about a different species from the rest of
us ;-) 

That or you wear elbow length thick leather gloves routinely.



--
Chris Lilley
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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Alergic to cats
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

Actualy there is a bread of cat that people who are alurgic to cat hair can
keep. The bread is the Sphenx (ya, like the statue in Egypt). It has no hair
on it's body  but rather a soft downy covering. It doesn't even have wiscers
Not the most atractive bread but apealing in there own way. I cant verifie
personality as I have yet to have had any expereance with them.

ELF-KIN