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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Problem compiling elm2.4.17
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

rgn@cs (Rob Norris) writes:
>I just applied patches 14-17 to elm.  Now when I compile I get:

>**************
>cc  -O -I../hdrs    -c getarpdate.c
>ccom: Error: getarpdate.c, line 110: redeclaration of timezone
>        extern  time_t  timezone;
>      --------------------------^
>(ccom): getarpdate.c, line 110: cannot recover from earlier errors: goodbye!
>        extern  time_t  timezone;
>      --------------------------^
>*** Error code 1

>Stop.
>*** Error code 1

>Stop.

>*************

>I am on a DECstation 5000/125 running Ultrix 4.2a.
It means it is getting d_tzname backwards.
Toggle that one in config.sh and rerun all the .SH files.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO)
Subject: elm 2.4.17 interaction with more
Reply-To: Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:37:25 GMT

On X displays with sessions connected to our Sequent Symmetry with Dynix
3.1.2, elm using the more pager cannot determine the screen size.  Outside
of elm, more works fine.  Within elm several pages flash by before pausing.
Before digging deeper, I'd like to see if this is a known problem.

/pbp
-- 
Necessity is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves.
	--William Pitt (1783)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: List of enhancements
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:37:51 GMT

ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:

 [[ a number of interesting and useful suggestions on future elms ]]

>Friendlier and more "intelligent" display of ones folders:

On the list.

>What about allowing invocation of "elm" from within itself?

Eh?  This works now.  Just a few minutes ago I was reading mail
and needed to go look at a different folder - "!elm -f =name"
worked fine.

>Unix boasts being able to be used from almost any terminal
>imaginable.  It's strange then that no application I've come across
>up to now realizes that when a user wants to skip straight to (say)
>the 4th page by hitting SPACE 4 times, one still needs to wait for
>each of those pages to be laboriously built and displayed onscreen . . .

Yes, it's probably possible, no, probably not portably.  If you know
of a generally available UNIX pager that does this, let me know.  I've
never seen one.  But why hit space 4 times?  Use the message number
commands.

>As to aliases, how about enhancing that facility to allow users to
>include such things like which folder to store items in related to a
>specific alias, phone numbers, surface addresses, user-definable
>fieldnames and -values?  Especially if the facility were not
>integral to "elm" anymore, but invocable from "elm" as a separate
>utility, which then could also be used by other applications.

There are a zillion of these available.  Selecting any one would be
the wrong answer for everyone else; building the facility into elm
would be an equally bad idea.  What would be more useful would be a
method to (a) automaticly rebuild the elm aliases database from some
outside utility and db format (rolo_to_elm, etc) and (b) invoke a
general interface to rotodex utilities from inside elm.  Elm aliases
are built the way they are for (a) speed and (b) reliability.  Any
solutions which depend on outside fromats sacrifice one or both of
those two.

>Another thing is the possibility of retaining the index of a folder
>(as an on-disk file) as long as the relevant folder doesn't change.
>Skipping the index-rebuild each time for folders containing many
>items would save quite some wall-clock and CPU time (at the expense
>of some disk space, of course).

Absolutely.  This is a wider problem than elm; mh and most other
mailreaders have the same problem.  In fact, it's the same problem that
trn and nn try to address.  It's a difficult problem but not unsolvable.
The big issues are detecting external changes which would require the
index be rebuilt.  Note that mh, the ultimate UNIX mail toolkit, does
not even attempt to address this (tho the mh docs claim it would be a
good idea).

We're always looking for people willing to pitch in, send mail to
Syd and join the developers group.
-- 
"When Dexter's on the Internet,    | "Nuts!"
 can Hell be far behind?"          |   -- Mr. Peanut in "Battle of the Bulge"
      scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us	   |
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Problem running elm
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:09:57 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

ramakris@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Balaji Ramakrishnan) writes:
>I compiled elm succesfully on a RS6000. BUt when I tried running it I got
>the message "Can't open lock file need write permission on /usr/spool/mail"

>I am not the super user and my permissions on my mail file are set to

>-rw-rw----

>I am not sure whetherI can be granted write permission on this file or not.
>I was just wondering whether there is any other way to fix this.

The permissions on you mail file aren't relevant, the permissions on the
mail spool directory are.  If the mail spool is

drwxrwsrwt (3777) then Elm does not need to be setgid and anyone can install it.

If the directory is

drwxrwxr-x (775) then Elm must be installed setgid to the same group as
the group of the mail spool directory (usually mail). This requires
sysadmin privs.

In addition, Elm must be configured appropriately for each case.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mktjadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Jeff A. Dilcher)
Subject: forwarding mail w/filter to an alias
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:01:02 GMT

Hello, 
I have a question, if someone could help.

I have an alias ( which defines a group of individuals) named "tag".

Each individual defined under "tag" is an alias of an individual who has
     been defined previously in aliases.text (as per documentation).

In my filter-rules, I have an argument which will forward to "tag".  I wish
     for all the individuals defined under "tag" to get the piece of mail.

Unfortunately, instead, I get an email error message saying that user
"tag" is unknown.


***MY QUESTION***
Can I forward to an alias in my filter-rules file?  If so, does anyone
know why elm is not recognizing my group alias name ("tag")?

Thanks,
Jeff

-- 
 
  Jeffrey A. Dilcher                                   Atlanta, GA, USA
mktjadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu                             Telephone 404-266-1585
      NSS #25914                                       II Peter 1:10,11
From: nadeau@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Nadeau Jean-Claude)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: cann't write to /usr/spool/mail !!
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:15:56 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Dec22.200722.6611@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> mikeg@asylum.tmc.edu (Michael Grabenstein) writes:
>	I had this error (see subject) for all of version 2.4.
>and it finnally went away. What I did was this: In running the 
>Configure program It would ask:
>"Is elm going to be run as a setgid program? [y]"
>	Since I was chmod'ing the program to 2755 I answered yes.
>(Syd - was I wrong?) 
>	What got rid of the infamous "can't write to /usr/spool/mail"
>was just in answering no to that question. (why?)
>	This is my system: Apollo domain series 4000 running 
>domain/OS 10.3 (and others running 10.4)
>
	With BSD I guest!  I had the same problem here and I found
	a quick (and durty???) way to "repair" it.  Elm must use
	the "setegid" function instead of "setgid".  The last one
	change the real and the effective GID and after changing
	to the original GID of the user, the program cannot return
	to the mail group GID.

	So I've just:

		#define setgid setegid

	in "config.h" and re-install Elm.  It worked just fine
	with Elm 2.4PL17.

	Merry Xmas & Happy new year to all Elm fans
	(and the others ;-).

-- 
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Universite de Montreal		Fax  (514) 343-2155
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe)
Subject: Re: How to autoforward? One more question...
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:15:42 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In <BzJD3D.Aqy@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG> anibal@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Anibal Jodorcovsky) writes:

>In article <1992Dec18.202243.14618@oakhill.sps.mot.com> dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe [that's me]) writes:
>>[...] you can do it with your .forward file on the machine where the
>>mail is originally received.  Use something like:
>>
>>    \anibal, anibal2@machineB
>>
>>This delivers mail to your account on this machine (note the backslash
>>to suppress recursive interpretation of the .forward file) as well as
>>to account anibal2 on machineB.  This is, of course, assuming that your
>>MTA uses .forward files.

>OK, that's good enough, I tried that and worked fine...
>Now, the problem is the following:

>I have an account at machine A, and another one at machine B, and
>I want to have copies of email received at either machine in both
>machines. So if I receive mail @A I want a copy @B and viceversa,
>how can I do this?? 

If I understand your question correctly, you want to be able to receive
the mail to both accounts on both accounts.  Just extend the previous
answer and swap names.  Assuming you have account "anibal" on machineA
and "anibal2" on machineB:

    (~anibal/.forward on machineA) \anibal, anibal2@machineB
    (~anibal2/.forward on machineB) \anibal2, anibal@machineA

I'm not sure why you want to read all your mail twice, but that's your
business. :-)

-- 
 Dave Wolfe   | 6501 William Cannon Dr. W. | (512) 891-3246
 Motorola SPS | Austin, TX  78735-8598     | dwolfe@pets.sps.mot.com
From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ">From " lines and "corrupt folder" msg
Date: 25 Dec 1992 21:22:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When one is emailed a folder where each item starts with a "From "
header line, these lines get prefixed with a ">".
To make such a folder readable again by Elm, the ">"s need to be
removed.  Is there a utility available for this?
If not, what is the *EXACT* command to give to "vi" in order to
remove those ">"s?  Of course *ONLY* on those header lines; I'll
accept any such occurances in the contents of the items (though
not really gracefully...).

A propos, where in the whole email chain does this ">" get prefixed
to the "From " lines, and is there any way to get that software to
"keep its mits" out of the contents of email items?

Regards, thanks in advance, and may 1993 be better than '92.
$$/        F. Scott Ophof  <ophof@server.uwindsor.ca>


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: Philip Leung <philip-leung@cuhk.hk>
Subject: Re: Disappearing messages
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:44:35 GMT

Disappearing messages 
Philip Leung
Computer Services Centre
The Chinese University of Hong Kong
 
BITNET:         	a388700@cucsc.bitnet   	       	Tel: (852)-609-8811
Internet:       	philip@next.csc.cuhk.hk   	     Fax: (852)-603-5001
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: "Y. Yang" <A300@music.mus.polymtl.ca>
Subject: RE: ELM on IRIX 4.0.5
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:41:26 GMT

Some question about the installation problem.
The version of ELM used is 2.3 PL0. The compilation was
OK. But, when tried to use elm, I got the following msg:

You have no password entry!

I wonder anyone out there can give me a pointer as where
the problem is. Yellow page has been installed in the
system here. Also, I would like to know the ftp site for
the nearest version of ELM.

Thanks in advance.

Yang.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mlevin@teal.csn.org (Marshall Levin)
Subject: % substitutions
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:17:03 GMT

Could someone give me a list of all the possible % substitutions?
I don't know where to find them (or elm documentation, for that 
matter).

Thanks

Marshall Levin
From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: "reply" and alias inconsistencies?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 03:36:23 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When I hit "reply" for an item from a newsgroup, I expect to be
replying to the newsgroup, *not* to the individual who wrote the
item itself.  "elm" doesn't agree, however; it feels the reply
should go to the author, not the group.
Is it possible to tell "elm" to change its habits in this respect?
If so, can I as John-Doe type user do this (and where)?
If not, is this on the wish list for 3.x?

When I hit "reply" for an item from a BITnet discussion list, "elm"
sometimes *does* use the discussion-list address as reply-address
(which is what I want).  But it's not consistent for all BITnet
discussion lists, nor is it even consistent within one list.
I'm going not-so-slightly cross-eyed...  Same questions as above.

The "alias current message" command (a) is not always consistent 
with the address used by "reply".

If the above things are known bugs, OK.
If not, then please say so, and I'll try to document some occurances.

Regards.
$$/
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Formatting Elm document files: AIX, makefile, troff errors
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:07:52 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:
>I have been asked how I format Elm document files in AIX 3.2.  Below are
>my supplemental makefile and its output.  Note the following:
>	1) nroff and/or PostScript output can be made.
>	2) The \(co macros had to be substituted for troff.
Thats not a macro, but a character from the character set.  Its there in
most character sets.

>	3) troff generates "Font CW too big" errors.
This means someone build the DESC.out file in the font directory incorrectly
when they installed your fonts on the AIX (probably IBM :-) )  Personally,
I'd report the problem to IBM and get them to fix it.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: haysd@novavax.UUCP (Daniel Hays)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: .newsrc file
Keywords: .newsrecc
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:13:39 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

I have just began to operate under my new id in another state, and I am
attempting to set up a new file for my newsgroups that I follow. Upon 
trying to invoke nn (and also rn), I found that 1000 newsgroups have been 
added into my initial .newsrc file, which I am told contains those groups which I wish to follow. My question is, how do I get these groups out of my file, and 
purge it of them, and then add the ones that I want to read? Is it possible to 
erase, and then recreate the file, and is there a better way then using
Unsubscribe on the groups, one at a time?

 Please mail copies of replies to my reader, as I obviously have a hard time    
reading replies to this newsgroup. I can be reached at haysd@novavax.nova.edu

Thanks - Dan Hays
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Is there a faq or manual for elm?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:43:33 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

astrashe@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Strasheim) writes:
>My subject line pretty much stands on its own.  I'd like to learn more
>about elm and what it can do.  Is there a manual or a faq (preferably a
>manual) that will help me?

The only FAQ is the Monthly posting which appears each month about
the 15th with a 60 day expire on it.

The system comes with about 100+ pages of manuals, see your sysadmin
for a copy.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: fullname doesn't seem to work
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

robyn@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (robyn williamson) writes:
>I've been trying to change fullname (the name that appears in parentheses)
>for outgoing mail, and it doesn't seem to work.  Using the o)ptions menu,
>I changed full name to some value different than my name in the passwd 
>file.  I exited elm and saw the change in my elmrc.  But when I sent mail,
>it didn't work--the name is parentheses is my name as it appears in the passwd
>file.  We have elm 2.3 PL11 on an RS/6000 and elm 2.3 PL11 on
>a convex also, and the same thing happened on both machines.  Is there
>something else that needs to be changed in my elmrc?  Any help would be
>appreciated!

If Elm adds the From: line, then Elm can control whats on it.  Most likely,
sendmail is adding the From: line, not Elm (Elm configured DONT_ADD_FROM),
and you have no control over the line.  In 2.4 we made the docs a bit clearer
about this.

-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Resyncronize Folder in 2.4
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:51:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Dec24.195105.26257
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

Having gotten 2.4 in now that pl17 seems to be pretty bug free, I
noticed a change in behavior which I really dislike.

What happens is when I use $ to force a resync, elm scans the folder
and then says "[2 new messages recieved.]" or something fairly close
to that.  It then redraws the screen, showing me the very last screen
of my mail file.  I need to use = to move to the top screen.

In 2.3.11, $ would sync the folder and update the screen
automatically.  I don't think that I changed the configuration.

Is there a way I can get the old behavior back?

Adam



Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jlf@decatl.alf.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein)
Subject: Re: Problem compiling elm2.4.17
Reply-To: jlf@alf.dec.com
Organization: digital equipment corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:01:54 GMT


In regards to the problem with 2.4.17 (up to PL22) and ULTRIX I found a 
workaround, though I don't know if it is a real solution. What I ended up 
doing is changing the config.h by commenting out the following line:

/* TZNAME:
 *      This symbol, if defined, indicates that extern char *tzname[] exists.
 */
/*#define       TZNAME  /**/

This is the way it worked in 2.4.14 and it works with 2.4.17 and higher.

--
jeff finkelstein                  | disclaimer:
jlf@alf.dec.com                   | Digital has many spokespeople,
digital equipment corporation     | And obviously I am not one of them.
customer support center           |
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: '>' prepended to lines even if Edit is selected when forewarding
Keywords: '>' prepending unwanted
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:23:30 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1992Dec30.143600.23072@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
 >In article <1937@frackit.UUCP> dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
 > 
 >>On occasion I foreward source or shell archives to people and having
 >>that pesky > at the beginning of each line is a royal pain. The
 >>inevitable question is: bug or feature? And, can it be turned off? 
 >>Prior to this patch there would be no > under the conditions stated
 >>above. 
 > 
 >I always thought it was a feature.  :)  I like i because I can pass
 >stuff on, and its clear who wrote what.  Have you tried using bounce
 >to resend source?  Bounce makes it appear the message is from the
 >person who mailed it to you, and I don't think it adds >_.

Unfortunately 'bounce' doesn't allow me to add comments before the
source or whatever. Previous behaviour allowed you to foreward WITHOUT
edit which would simply resend the message with nothing prepended
to each line. You could then select e)dit instead of s)end and add
whatever comments you wanted at the top of the message, still with no >
or whatever you selected, prepended. 

> However, use of the >_ is configurable, in the .elm/elmrc. I think its
> called prefix or something, and a >_ gets translated into a >(space).

Well, it's not a real problem since I've gotten a reply from Syd letting
me know that it is indeed a 'bug' and will be fixed in the next patch
release (hopefully that's soon). Apparently there was some discussion
about this here after the patches were posted but I missed it completely
because of the holidays. 

       Dave


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From: mea@polaris.utu.fi (Matti Aarnio)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Embedded "=" in Email address
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:36:04 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Computing Centre

jpolak@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1hv0ncINNmfb@dsinc.dsi.com>, syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:
>> jpolak@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>>I have a correspondent whoes Email address is of the form
>> 
>>>	John=Smith@....
>> 
>>>that is, it has an "=" embedded in it. If I try to setup an alias
>>>for this address elm is not able to parse it properly (it seems to
>>>assume that the embedded "=" is a component of the aliasing syntax).
>> 
>>>Is there any way around this problem, e.g., is there an escape character
>>>I can use to force elm to treat the embedded "=" literally.
>> 
>> In 2.4, the proper method is to quote the address, as in
>> 	"John=Smith"@site

>Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately I'm using 2.3, and the 
>quoting method you suggest appears not to work - i.e., it still
>interprets the address as "Smith"@site, not "John=Smith"@site.

  With plain 2.3 there is no way to do it.
(I know, I tried..)  I have made a set of patches which enable generic
X.400 addresses to be used -- with plenty of embedded `='-chars...

>Any further suggestions?

  nic.funet.fi:/pub/unix/mail/elm/elm-2.3-pl11.tar.Z
  nic.funet.fi:/pub/unix/mail/elm/elm-2.3-quotepatch-v6.tar.Z

Access methods: Anonymous FTP, and mailserver@nic.funet.fi
(Later one in LISTSERV style, start with 'help' command in BODY
 of mail.)

>John Polak

	/Matti Aarnio <mea@utu.fi>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm