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From: xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:19:16 GMT

>>good at taking a weird registered name,and coming up with a barn
>>name?  In this case, we're talking about a TB mare named Co Kay Sem.
>>She's a big bay with only a tiny bit of white on her face.  And I
>>haven't a clue what to call her...

The first name I thought of was 'Cokey.'  This name has drawbacks,
but it was the first thing I thought of.

I also wanted to throw in my two cents about "In-breeding,"  which
has nothing to do with naming horses, I just didn't want to do two
postings.  My trainer put it very well.  If you breed a parent to 
a child, or grandparent to grandchild, or brother to sister, and the
resulting baby comes out perfect, it is called "Line Breeding."  If
the resulting baby is genetically defective, or has the temperment
of sulfuric acid, it is called "In-breeding."

Christine Mills
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: help with a stubborn saddlebred
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:49:26 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

In article <92098.224236JB6UDSTI@MIAMIU.BITNET> JB6UDSTI@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>I've been leasing an 8 yr. old saddlebred for several months now, and have
>been trying to break him of several bad habits.  To begin with, if he's
>within sight of his barn, no matter what direction you tell him to turn, he
>always heads in the barn direction.  I've used a few different bits, but he
>has a very strong mouth, so when I try and turn him away, he rarely listens.
>Mainly, if I can't convince him to turn back the into the direction I had
>originally intended, I have to pull him tight into his turn and turn him all
>the way around.  He also doesn't stop very well.  Like I said, he has a very
> strong mouth and won't stop no matter how much I pull at times.  I've tried
>pushing his body forward into the bit with my seat, but that only works part
>of the time.
> 
>If anyone has any suggestions for working with Guard, I would appreciate them.
> 
> 
>...Jase...
> 
> 
> 
>P.S.  He is the most docile and responsive horse I've seen when we ride double
>on him.  But when I ride alone, especially bareback, that's a different story.

I think the best way to cure a barn sour horse is to teach them to ground
drive. It sounds like your horse's basic problem is that he will not go
forward when you ask (you turn, ask him to go forward, but he turns back
towards the barn). Driving, quickly teaches a horse to move forward away
from you. You don't need a full harness, you can get by with a sursingle
(sp?) and two lunge lines (you may have to shorten these if you have
trouble managing the slack). 

Start in the ring and get the horse used the driving in circles and
straight lines (there are many excellent books that can help you get
started).  When you feel comfortable, hit the trail and do a little ground
driving and work on driving the horse forward in the directions you
choose.  Once the horse stops balking, you are ready for the riding test.

Ride Guard with extra long reigns.  If on the trail he refuses to move
forward, hop off and DRIVE him.  He will soon learn that one way or
another he is going to go the way you want!

I have seen this method work for some of the rankest, nastiest,
rear-and-flip-over-on-top-of-you kind of horses, so it may help you.  It
may take some time, but remember, Guard didn't develop this habit
overnight :)  Also, PLEASE make sure that you have mastered driving in the
ring before you hit the trail.  Since stopping is another problem you two
have, I would hate to see you dragged back to the barn :)

Good Luck!  Let us know how things worked out.

-Carol
From: doconnor@pima.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: accu-presure
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:49:23 GMT
Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu's message of 9 Apr 92 19:42:15 GMT


fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J) writes:
]
] Here is a topic I haven't heard much about but I would
] like to find out more.  Recently we had a vet for one of
] the major dog sled races get tossed out for using it on one
] team of dogs.   We also have some one coming up here in 
] Sept to present a clinic to the vets in the state and to
] lay persons on how it could be used and how to do it.
]
] The session given to the lay people will be with horses
] only seeing it is a horse club helping to bring
] the guy up here.  My question is has any used it before and
] has it been of any help?  {

Accu-pressure and acupunture are theorized to work by the same mechanism :
by stimulating specific nerve junctions, a healing response from the body 
can be evoked. Some vets have seen very good results treating German
Shepherds that had hip dysplasia via acupuncture, after no other treatmant
had helped, according to a lecturerer at SUNY Cobleskill Ag&Tech. Lick
granulomas have also responded to acupuncture, according to this vet.

Positive animal results for acupuncture give it more credence, to my
mind, than human results : I would not expect as much of a placebo
effect, or denial from lack of belief.

So, there seems to be something to acupunture and acupressure after all.
( But beware of charlatans with this or any other non-mainline tecnique. )
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: axc@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (alex.cornella)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Flies
Summary: fly remedies
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:46:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <2189@gandalf.intel.com>, linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have any great ideas for keeping flies away.  I think this has
> been discussed before so if anyone has a summary they could send me, it would
> be appreciated. 
> 



We had gawdawful flies in NJ last summer.  We
tried everything on the market, but the only
thing that gave any relief was a face mask.
But you must remember to wash it out and take it
off at nite or the ponies will bump into things.

--Alex Cornella
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: butlet@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler)
Subject: Re: Shipping Info
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:27:44 GMT

the number for Blue Chip is: 1 800 VAN INFO

butlet@rpi.edu


From: deniseo@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Denise O'Connor)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:12:39 GMT
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

 The best advice is to keep trying them out to find out which is
 most comfortable to work in for both you and your horse.  I spent
 six months trying out saddles on my very sensitive skinned Arab.
 I picked the Keiffer, my Arab moved well in it and I could stay 
 in a very comfortable dressage position in it.  I have had it for 
 six months, ride in it 3-4 days per week, 2 hours at a time and just love 
 it.  The will also restuff it to fit at any time for $50.00.

 Just keep trying out the saddles, being sure to ride in them your
 normal length of time.  Good luck, it was a hard job. 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lizt@cabezon.uucp (B. Elizabeth Trojan)
Subject: dressage saddles
Organization: Logic Automation Inc. of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:27:41 GMT


I am thinking of getting a new dressage saddle. I presently
have a Stubben which is a nice enough saddle but it fits a
bit too tightly through the withers on my horse. Other saddles
that I have been looking at are Keiffers, Counties, and Passiers.
I would also be interested in names, addresses, and phone numbers
for saddle discount houses and your experiences with them.



Liz Trojan 
(503)246-7850
From: red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Good reference books for new horse owners?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:47:58 GMT
Reply-To: red@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

Hi.  I have recently acquired a wonderful little Morgan-QH mare,
a sturdy little sweetheart who's never been pampered by anyone
and isn't quite sure how to take me yet.  Who is this person
who brings me carrots and pets me before throwing on the saddle,
she wonders.  I've only had her two months, and  as I'm the mother
of two small kids and I work fulltime, I only get to see her twice
a week, but still... yesterday, I stood at the gate and called her
name and she came galloping full-tilt up to see me.  I'm still
wearing my smile.

Anyway, all my horse experience was acquired through hanging
around at a stable when I was a teenager, and the person running
the barn where I lease doesn't seem to do things quite the same.
For example, the horses don't have any hay to munch on except in
the morning and at night -- aren't they supposed to be able to
graze on something all day?  Another item is that she puts their
water in a plastic bucket, and her overgrown-puppy gelding likes
to tip it over, empty it, and then carry it around the field.
The result is that they don't have water for the rest of the day.
I've tried tactfully suggesting that she get a bathtub, but no
luck so far.

What I need is a good reference book both for my own education,
and to show her so we can discuss horsecare issues in an amicable fashion.
Any suggestions?  Comments?

Another thing - does anyone know how to weave feathers/dyed rawhide
strips in a horse's mane in the Sioux fashion?  I've been experimenting
and the end result is generally pathetic.

Thanks in advance.
Rebecca Davis & Morgan Le Fay
red@prc.unisys.com
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fks@vax.ftp.com  (Frances K. Selkirk)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: fks@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 09:16:15

In article <1992Apr6.142841.1256@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA) writes:

    Okay, we've had lots of creative suggestions for names;  anybody
    good at taking a weird registered name,and coming up with a barn
    name?  In this case, we're talking about a TB mare named Co Kay Sem.

Hm. I suppose you don't want to call her Coca. :-)  Cosy wouldn't fit.
Is Ace too close to Casey? Semi is another weird one (only semi-untrained?)
How about "Guess?" (It's not very close to the name, but I just tried saying
C-K-S fast, and I have an active imagination!) 

--
Frances Kirk Selkirk		 fks@ftp.com	           (617) 246-0900
From: gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov (Karen L. Gundy-Burlet)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: fly parasites
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:45:41 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

The manager of our stable planted fly parasites in our manure pile
about 2 years ago.  In addition, he distributed those rotten fruit/meat
lure type live fly catchers throughout the stables.  The number of
flies seemed to diminish, but there is still a (smaller) fly problem at
the stables.  This is compared to the old pesticide spraying regimen
that he tried before the fly parasites (which was better than not doing
anything at all!).

I prefer the live trap/parasite method over regular spraying simply
because my horse and I are not inhaling the pesticide of the week.
However, it does not seem to be a complete solution to the problem at
our stables.  I would try the live fly catchers first just because
they are fairly inexpensive to make.  Of course, your mileage may vary.

As a reference point, our stables has well over 100 horses in a
combination of stalls and pastures.  Our main manure pile grows quite
rapidly, but smaller accumulations do build up at random places because 
of less-than-meticulus owners and the pastures surrounding the stables.

Karen & T-Bar


--
Karen Gundy-Burlet                  Applied Computational Fluids Branch
Research Scientist                  MS 258-1, NASA-Ames Research Center
gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov            Moffett Field, CA  94035-1000
From: Kermit2@cup.portal.com (Kermit N Hylen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Learning
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:45:31 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Howdy all,

Five months ago, I fell in love.  Never thot I'd own a horse. Now I wonder
who owns who.  Paddington is a dark bay quarterhorse, seven years young.
His owner trained him well, until last year when he had some problems
with his back. He is very fine now, more so 'cause of things my sister
and I have worked on.

I have read, am reading, many books on training, riding, etc., methods.
I was once one of those that ignored feelings for thoughts, mind over
heart.  If it wasn't scientific, it didn't exist.  Whoops!  Well,
thats not true.

I can't explain what happened, I can't prove it.  I can describe it.
This past Tuesday evening, I rode my horse without his original owner 
nearby, or friends to support the effort. I didn't plan on riding. A 
while ago, I tore a ligament in my knee, and that day it was telling
me all day that it was still alive. So, Paddy has a saddle on, and a
bridle, and I'm ground-driving him.  Then, lunging him. The work is
over, and I am walking next to him when I hear him ask me to mount.
Whoa! What? I stopped, turned, and mounted him. No bells (nobels?)
or whistles, just a rider (a green one) mounting a green-broke
horse.

It was NEVER like this before. He was way cool! No jitters, or other
oddities, just a horse and his rider.

Yeah, yeah.  I can hear it now.  Points for, and against.  Like I said,
I can't prove it, nor do I want to.  I merely state it, my fact, my
learning. Now, if this was the only time I'd experienced communication
with a non-human, I'd gloss it over.  Except, I have had many, many
deja-vus, ESPs, whatever ya want ta call it.  No explanations. It
blows my mind everytime it happens, the difference is:

I Accept it!

Anyone else have something like this to share?

TTFN,
Kermit
(yes, real name, no relation to that green guy, or the protocol)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: Horse keeping costs
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:59:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Some ways that you can cut cost are:
1) I train for my farrier for free shoes
2) I get my vets lots of clients for free services
  
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From: DOREEN@hcacad.holycross.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: DEATH OF A SCHOOL HORSE
Date: 9 Apr 1992 17:04:26 -0400
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com


     Hi again,
          This really has not been a very good couple of weeks for our
     equine friends.  I was supposed to have a lesson tonight and my
     instructor called to cancel.  The reason being that they had to
     put down one of the school horses today because he had coliced (sp?) 
     during the night.  Of course, Sox (short for Socrates), was my
     favorite; just a good ole Joe.  Even though he wasn't mine, he 
     most certainly will be missed.  What I would like to do is write
     a letter to the owners (he was leased by the barn) just telling
     them how special a horse he was to me and I guess to offer my
     condolences (sp?).  For you horse owners, this doesn't sound too
     tacky does it?  I'd really appreciate your input on this matter.

                                             Thanks, 
                                                  Doreen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: fly parasites
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:06:53 GMT

In article <92098.144448SASDBK@vm.sas.com>, SASDBK@vm.sas.com writes:
= I am always trying to find ways to beat the bugs and have noticed
= several ads for fly parasites. Even though one ad said approx $12
= for up to 5 horses, after talking to them, it was really $217 for
= 9 shipments plus a solar fly trap. If I knew it would significantly
= reduce flys, I might invest that much. Has anyone tried this
= method? My horse/donkeys (4) come and go freely from their stalls
= to their pasture. I understand that you place the fly parasite larvae
= in several moist places (manure pile, watering area, etc.).
= But, with my herd coming and going, will it even make sense to
= locate these insects around the barn area?
= Will the flys from the pasture follow them back to the barn?
= One salesperson claimed that the Kentucky Derby facilities used this
= method and "had no fly problem".

  The barn I ride at uses the fly parasites and it seems to
  work well. Florida is very hot and humid in the summer, and
  flies are a big problem.  Last summer, I didn't notice the
  flies in the barn at all.
  
  You have to be careful though that if you spray
  fly spray on your horses before you take them out for a
  ride, that you do it away from the barn.

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From: dand@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Dan Duval)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Board in/near Portland, Oregon.
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:02:59 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <3030279@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
> >    the vet comes out every 3 months for his shots.
> What are you giving shots for?  Here in Colorado we only
> give shots once a year (flu, Eastern and Western sleeping,
> tetnus, and one other I can't remember).  Unless there is
> an injury that requires something, once is enough.  

For my horses that stay on the farm (brood mares and foals), I just
give annual shots. For those horses I take on trail rides (since they
can --and have -- get away occassionally and can contact unknown
horses) I vaccinate twice a year: early spring and late summer.

My show horses, however, get shots four times a year because they are
around (and in contact, even if only through flies and mosquitos) horses
from all over the place whose vaccination histories are completely
unknown and unknowable to me. To be on the safe side. I do not want
to lose a multi-thousand-dollar horse to one of the flavors of encephalitis
because I skimped on some $20 vaccines. It may be overkill use of the
vaccine, but I'd rather not take the chance.

We had a small scare in this area last year, when some dweeb brought
a mule up from California without gettings a Coggins done on it first
(completely illegal to bring a horse into Oregon without a Coggins,
but that doesn't mean squat if it passes equine infectious anemia to
your horse before anyone finds out.) Fortunately, only the mule needed
to be destroyed but I understand there were some pretty upset children
whose horses were boarded in that barn, until the second round of
Coggins passed all of them.

So maybe it's overly cautious, but my show horses are the most valuable
horses I have and the ones most likely to be exposed, so they get
$80 of four-way vaccine a year, rather than the $20 a year my broodmares
get. Vaccines are most efficatious during the first few months after
the dose, with protection falling off after that, especially for
horses under stress (as show horses often are during the show season),
so I'm investing more money in vaccines (and risking more in vaccine
reactions, granted) to protect the horses I've worked with so much.

If nothing else, I'm buying a little peace of mind.

Later,

Dan


-- 
Dan C Duval	Tek Labs;Tektronix, Inc.; dand@sail.LABS.TEK.COM

Hello. I'm Dan's signature line. What are you?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Subject: Hoof suppliments
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 10 Apr 1992 12:44:12 EDT

On the subject of supplimenting diet for stronger hooves, I thought I should
add my 2 cents based on what I have learned.  Apparently, adding suppliments
to your horses diet will HELP them if they are lacking the substances in their
system, but will do NO GOOD whatsoever if your horse has normal feet to start
with.

I remember this from EQUUS (sorry I don't remember when) and have learned this
in Horse Management here at MSU.  If you suppliment a horse that doesn't need
it the suppliment will be urinated out as fast as you put it in them, so don't
waste your money.  If you suppliment a horse that needs it, only the deficient
amount will be utilized and the excess will not, so use the smallest amount
that achieves the optimal results.

If you find something that WORKS on your horse, that's great!  But don't fall
into adding a suppliment out of guilt when there's no problem.  In this case
the only ones that benefit from it are the companies that supply the products.
There are people where I board who own horses that have never had a problem,
but they begin to suppliment them because they see their friend suppliment
their horse for a legitimate reason.

I hope I'm not being too strong, but it's an easy trap to fall into out of
guilt thinking you could be doing more for your horse.  Spend the money on
carrots instead, your horse will enjoy it more and get the same results.
                               Jenn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Subject: Re: arthritic hock  (long)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 15:00:34 GMT

Ask about Adequan therapy.  Adequan is a synthetic form of the type of
lubricant that should be in the hock (and other joint areas of a horse).
Some horses are directly injected into the joint, others are injected
intermuscularly.  It's expensive, and may be just a 1 to 2 year save,
but it may 'solve' the problem, too.

I'd say what you really want out of your vet is WHY the joint is having
trouble.  Is it a lack of fluid?  Is it conformation?  Is it concussion?

If it's conformation, good luck.  You can't change that.

If it's lack of fluid, that can be replaced at a cost.

If it's concussion, you can be more careful about the surfaces you ride
on.

We've essentially decided our 10 year old gelding should finish his career
as he began it--as a beginner horse, jumping no higher than about 3 feet
because (1) that's what he's good at and (2) he doesn't need the concussion
on his straight joints.

Also ask about the fusing.  Lots of horses have fused, and gone sound again,
and that may be related to both conformation and work.

Good luck!

Adrienne Regard
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Summary:  Legend 
Keywords:  great saddle 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution:  world 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:20:13 GMT

  Hi!

  I used to ride in a County Competitor.  I think that when they first
came out they were great, but then County started mass producing them
and the quality went down.  I had real problems with the side to side
balance of mine.  I don't know if the problem was in the tree or the
stuffing.  I sold it and bought a Legend, which I love.  It has never
slipped a bit, and I don't feel like I'm going to slide off to the
outside on a circle (the way I did in the County).  I believe the Legend
is rather expensive, I got mine as a demo model from the tack shop I was
working at at the time, so I got a deal on it.
  I know a lot of event riders who ride in a french saddle (might be a
JC or something like that).  This is a custom made saddle, expensive,
with a suede seat and a square cantle.  I've never ridden in one, but a
lot of the eventers I knew wouldn't ride in anything else.

  good luck

  joy