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From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: Quickbasic/Qbasic
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:46:40 GMT

pharris@roseworthy.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Harris) writes:
>If QBASIC is a cut down QuickBASIC why does QB read GWBASIC files but not
>QuickBASIC Files?

GWBASIC, QBASIC, QuickBASIC, and PDS, all can read and write ASCII
files.  As can most word processors and text editors.  Use ASCII for
all your programs and you're safe.  As far as language compatibility
goes, neither QBASIC nor QuickBASIC will be able to run all GWBASIC
programs, but QuickBASIC should be able to run all QBASIC programs.

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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: CVS in GWBASIC & QBASIC
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:12:34 GMT

strong-john@CS.YALE.EDU (John Strong) writes:

>In article <75990001@hpsgl1.sgp.hp.com> ong@hpsgl1.sgp.hp.com (Chiau-Ho ONG) writes:
>>Does anyone knows whether there is a difference in implementation of the CVS
>>function in GWBASIC & QBASIC ? I have a file that when I use the CVS function
>>in GWBASIC to convert the string read, it gives the correct value. However, if
>>I use QBASIC, CVS converts the string wrongly. 
>>

>Start QBASIC with the /mbf command line option.  This tells QBASIC to use the
>Microsoft Binary Format when evaluating CVS instead of the newer IEEE format
>adopted after QB version 4.0.  GW-BASIC uses the older mbf format.

Or dig thru the online help and discover that you can use CVSMBF....
<bleah>

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From: "david gebhardt" <david.gebhardt@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: 1-900 number support
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:53:42 EST
Reply-To: "david gebhardt" <david.gebhardt@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

On 08-13-92 at 6:59am, St21519 wrote to All:

>arrow keys.  Normally, this would not be a problem because you would
>expect both keys to behave identically anyway.  If you are a registered
>QuickBasic owner, you can call our programming support line (900)896-9999
>for example code on this process.  Alternatively, you can access the
>entire Microsoft knowledgebase on Compuserve by typing "Go MDKB" at
>any prompt.  Query on "inkey$ trap quickbasic".

S9>What information do we need to be prepared to offer when dialing this number?
S9>And what is the charge for this access? (1-900 number)

I believe I read your previous post on wanting to trap all instances
of the arrow key presses. If you use inkey$ and convert the keypress
to lower case, this reduces the number of checks that have to be done.
However, if you are also checking for characters that should not be
converted to lowercase, you have to have some code to check this out.
If you're only checking for arrow presses, there's no problem.

If you want some sample code, I've got it in one of my software
packages that I wrote. I could pull it out and leave it here for you.

David Gebhardt
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (General Protection Fault)
Subject: Re: QuickBasic: BINDING?
Organization: is the refuge of the unimaginative!
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:08:35 GMT

+>run it. Does anybody have an ideas or suggestions to remedy this
+>problem?
+>
+
+By far the most common cause of this particular problem is saving
+you code out to a fast load and save format file after heavy editing.
+This can sometimes cause slight corruption in the threaded p-code which
+is saved.  You can cure this by loading the program, going to the
+"Save As" menu item of the file menu, and making sure that "Save file
+as text (readable by other programs)" option is selected.
+
+By the way, I highly recommend *never* saving in fast load/save format
+for the simple reason that if even one bit is changed from what it should
+be (from whatever cause), the entire file is a complete loss.  However,
+You stand a very good chance of recovering most, if not all, of a file
+if it is saved in Text format.

Does this continue to hold true for those who conscientiously save as we edit 
so there is a minimal change with each save?

Keith.
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From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: PDS 7.1 on OS2
Keywords: Autoload Extention
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:49:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I saw the FAQ but the fix for this error was not in it:

When using PDS 7.1 on OS2, and error upon bootup occurs with PWB.

************* Cannot Autoload Extention ************
*						   *
*	C:\BC7\BINP\PWBHELP.PXT			   *
*						   *
*  MSHELP: SYS0002: The system cannot find the     *
*                   file specified		   *
****************************************************

I have HELPFILES set in CONFIG.SYS, but I believe that 
someone suggested another variable that needed to be set?

Thanks for your time, once again.
Rob.
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: VisualBASIC for DOS <none>
Date: 11 Aug 92 17:54:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

About Mr. Harper's reply to my "hysterical" posting.  I don't have the
time or interest to make a point-by-point reply to him, but I would
like to make a couple of points.  First, I received 6 private email
messages supporting my position, while receiving none which supported
his.  A few are presented below (without attribution because they
were not intended for public viewing).

------------------------------------------------------
Email Reply #1
------------------------------------------------------

>Boy, have you got a chip on your shoulder or what!!  Why the hostility?
>you say that QB is great and you make no apologies to anyone about using
>it.

*** very on the money comments deleted ***

This guy sure does have a _problem_ ... lack of consideration for others..
and a lot of _very_ misplaced frustration... I'm afraid it's very difficult
for a person in this frame of mind to realize what their doing.

-------------------------------------------------------
Email Reply #2
-------------------------------------------------------

This guy is really whining about something that he doesn't fully
understand.  ANY language is capable of producing good programs if
the programmer isn't too lazy to learn it inside and out.

-------------------------------------------------------
Email Reply #3
-------------------------------------------------------

Don't even dignify guys like that with a reply.  If he can't ask
courteously, he shouldn't get an answer!

-------------------------------------------------------

Those who regularly read this group know that I do not insult
people for no reason.  I don't respond "hysterically".  Feel free
to send us a letter to let us know what future enhancements you
would like to see in QuickBasic.  You can even "tell" on me.  Just
be sure to include the email responses I have quoted above.  If it
slips your mind, don't worry, I'll do it for you.

Here's the address:

Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052-6399
Attn:  Product manager for QuickBasic 4.5

This is the last time I'll have anything to say in this group
regarding Mr. Harper.  I he (or anyone else) wants to continue this
topic, let's take it to email.  I can't help but assume that most of
us have better things to do with our time.
 
Have a nice day!
Phil Cooper

Oh yeah, the reason I have no disclaimer is twofold:

1) I never say things that I don't mean.
2) Most people can figure out that not every Microsoft employee who
   posts on Usenet is an official spokeman. (Least of all, me)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: Linking in C code with QB.
Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:00:09 GMT


philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper) writes:
>The way our interlanguage calling capabilities are implemented, 
>each new product is designed to be compatable with whatever the
>current version of other languages are when it is released.
>
>In other words, when QB 4.5 was released, QC 2.10 was the current
>version of QuickC.  QuickC 2.5 was just a twinkle in our language
>developer's eyes. :)  Obviously, it would be a little difficult to
>ensure compatability with a product that didn't even exist!

  You've just contradicted yourself in these two paragraphs, though.
When QuickC 2.5 was designed, QuickBASIC 4.5 was the current version
of QuickBASIC, so QuickC 2.5 should have been designed to be
compatible with it.  I would construe this little tidbit as
confirmation of my view that Microsoft thinks PDS is the "current
version of QuickBASIC".  That is, QuickBASIC has been discontinued and
replaced with PDS.  If this is so, then QuickBASIC's price has jumped
*very* dramatically, and this does indeed "suck".

Yet another reason why QuickBASIC is desperately in need of upgrading...
And why we desperately need another Borland in this market.

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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes)
Subject: Re: BASIC <-> C translators
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162411.4946@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk) writes:
>
>   Is there any public domain software that does even rudimentary BASIC to C
>translation?

I have seen oned called BASTOC... available on any local BBS...  I have
tried to use it and found it to be unsatisfactory.  I have tried to
convert GWBASIC programs and structured QuickBASIC 4.5 programs into C,
then tried to compile it on Borland C++ 2.0 (sorry, Microsftites...) and
it would not seem to compile corectly.  I wouldn't advise wasting your
download time for this program.

Harlan Landes
Gates of Dawn BBS
+1 609 426 1618

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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 14:59:36 EDT
From: <MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: FTP for sorce codes

In article <92220.114637MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> says:
> Does anyone know of FTP sites that supply sorce codes for QBasic? Please
>post a list or email me some addresses as soon as possible.
>-------
>
   I made a mistake people. I ment Quick Basic instead of QBasic. I'm sorry
about that.



 MARC(MRLCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: QuickBasic: BINDING?
Date: 10 Aug 92 21:09:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <92220.124054IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>I'm new to using QuickBasic and the BASIC programming language in
>general, and I have run into a problem that even a computer science
>major I work with cannot figure out.
>
>I'm currently in the process of writing a baseball statistics data-
>base. My program has several subroutines. Yesterday when I tried to
>run my program from inside QuickBasic (v4.5), the mouse cursor dis-
>appeared and QuickBasic froze on me. In the lower left hand corner
>of the screen was the word "Binding..." I tried CTRL-BREAK to abort
>the running of my program, but that didn't work. The computer was
>locked, and I had to reboot. I tried running different copies of
>my program (the program I was testing), but none of them worked
>either. So then I tried running QuickBasic and my program on another
>machine - still no luck. Every time "Binding..." appeared on the
>screen's lower left hand corner and the computer locked. What I
>find frustrating is the fact that my program ran perfect and fine
>before. I made no modifications to it before QuickBasic refused to
>run it. Does anybody have an ideas or suggestions to remedy this
>problem?
>

By far the most common cause of this particular problem is saving
you code out to a fast load and save format file after heavy editing.
This can sometimes cause slight corruption in the threaded p-code which
is saved.  You can cure this by loading the program, going to the 
"Save As" menu item of the file menu, and making sure that "Save file
as text (readable by other programs)" option is selected.  

By the way, I highly recommend *never* saving in fast load/save format
for the simple reason that if even one bit is changed from what it should
be (from whatever cause), the entire file is a complete loss.  However, 
You stand a very good chance of recovering most, if not all, of a file
if it is saved in Text format.

Phil Cooper
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: strong-john@CS.YALE.EDU (John Strong)
Subject: Re: BASIC <-> C translators
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:10:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162411.4946@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk) writes:
>   Is there any public domain software that does even rudimentary BASIC to C
>translation?

There is a PD program called BASTOC that does this, though if I remember
right, it really only worked with old GW-BASIC with line numbers, and it had
a hard time with anything more than FOR-NEXT and IF-THEN structures.  


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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: QuickBasic: BINDING?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:10:33 GMT

dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (General Protection Fault) writes:
>+By the way, I highly recommend *never* saving in fast load/save format
>+for the simple reason that if even one bit is changed from what it should
>+be (from whatever cause), the entire file is a complete loss.  However,
>+You stand a very good chance of recovering most, if not all, of a file
>+if it is saved in Text format.
>
>Does this continue to hold true for those who conscientiously save as we edit 
>so there is a minimal change with each save?

  This holds true with almost every file format in the world, no
matter how reliable the software or how often you save.  ASCII (or any
straight-text stream) is by far one of the most robust data formats
ever invented.  If you save your DATA in ASCII, you will *never* lose
more than one character if a single bit in your file is altered,
although some bad software may turn that into the loss of a whole line
of text if the character you lose is an end-of-line market and your
software truncates lines.
  In contrast, the loss of a single bit can be fatal in many other
formats, or at least cause major problems.  In a file of simple
fixed-size records, you may only lose one record.  Unless, that is,
one character is deleted from or inserted into the file, in which case
you lose your alignment and everything looks like gibberish.
  Whenever recovery from errors is a priority, and your software
doesn't support redundancy and error-correction codes, ASCII is the
way to go.

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From: pro016@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: LAKE IVANHOE,ONTARIO INFO NEEDED
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:19:18 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON FISHING FOR LAKE TROUT
AT LAKE IVANHOE,ONTARIO
MY LANDLORD WILL BE UP THERE AUGUST 21 AND HE NEEDS INFO ON LURES
AND TECHNICS FOR LAKERS
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: cgrady@eng.auburn.edu (Charles Grady)
Subject: Alabama Catfish
Reply-To: cgrady@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:58:22 GMT

I relocated to Alabama from Los Angeles about 4 months ago and I don't know where any good 
catfish fishing lake or rivers are can someone help me out. I'm in Auburn ( Auburn University)..
---
Charles Grady    
CSE Systems Engineer
Auburn University
Computer Science & Engineering Dept
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:21:36 EDT
From: Eric Burgy <U477C@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: WORMS IN FISH

Before my illustrious career in computers began I was a meatcutter for Kroger's.
The seafood department was under the meat shop and we used to "enjoy" laying
fish out to get warm so that we could watch the worms come out of the fish.
Cod and Boston Scrod contained more of the worms than other fish.  Where the
worms came from I dont know.  Some people said it was just a natural occurrence
and that most fish have them to some degree or another.

So dont worry about it too much.  Even store bought fish have worms.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: behrooz@cps.msu.edu ()
Subject: Not so hungry fish
Originator: behrooz@cpss1.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:48:46 GMT

Hi all,
  Last weekend I went to White Lake area (North of Muskegan in Michigan)
  The channel connecting the White Lake to Lake Michigan was full of
  fish. We could see fish as big as 3 feet in the channel and in shallow
  waters on the beach.  But it seemed they were not hungry at all, We
  tried all kinds of bait, (live and plastic) with no luck.  We could
  even have the bait touch the fish, but the fish would turn back and go
  the other way.  There were other people on the channel as well, trying
  to fish with little luck.  We tried fishing from 9am till 3:30 with
  absolutely no luck.

  Now the question for all you experienced anglers:  What do you think
  was wrong?  Was it the season? time of day? the baits? maybe I
  should've gone swiming instead.

yours,
  Roozbeh 
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: This is probably goodbye
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:26:20 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Take care Joyce!  
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Not so hungry fish
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:09:14 GMT

behrooz@cps.msu.edu () writes:

>Hi all,
>  Last weekend I went to White Lake area (North of Muskegan in Michigan)
>  The channel connecting the White Lake to Lake Michigan was full of
>  fish. We could see fish as big as 3 feet in the channel and in shallow
>  waters on the beach.  But it seemed they were not hungry at all, We
>  tried all kinds of bait, (live and plastic) with no luck.  We could
>  even have the bait touch the fish, but the fish would turn back and go
>  the other way.  There were other people on the channel as well, trying
>  to fish with little luck.  We tried fishing from 9am till 3:30 with
>  absolutely no luck.

>  Now the question for all you experienced anglers:  What do you think
>  was wrong?  Was it the season? time of day? the baits? maybe I
>  should've gone swiming instead.
	They probably were king salmon, although they would be rather
	earlier than usual, probably due to the cold weather.  Try
	either spawn or nightcrawlers.  When they leave the big lake, 
	they lose the desire to eat, but a few fish will hit the above.
	Try orange or chartruesse KO or Manistee wobblers.  They 
	will induce reflex strikes from a few fish. -Roger
>yours,
>  Roozbeh
From: bailebn@mail.auburn.edu (Bliss Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Alabama Catfish
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: bailebn@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University

In article 11267@news.duc.auburn.edu, cgrady@eng.auburn.edu (Charles Grady) writes:
>I relocated to Alabama from Los Angeles about 4 months ago and I don't know where any good 
>catfish fishing lake or rivers are can someone help me out. I'm in Auburn ( Auburn University)..
>---
>Charles Grady    
>Auburn University

The Tallapoosa River, to the North and West of Auburn, provides a lot of good Catfishing.
There are a number of hydroelectric dams (Therlo dam, Martin dam, and several others) which
form some large and small impoundments.  The waters just below the dams are often prime spots
to try.  Therlo dam over at Tallassee provides a good place with easy access, as you can 
walk down to the water and there are lots of large rocks to sit on and fish from.  

In addition, West Point Lake, Lake Harding, and Lake Eufala on the Chattahoochee just East
of Auburn are supposed to be good as well.  I haven't fished any of those, though.

Oh, by the way.  If you ever need company on a fishing expedition, let me know.  I'm across
campus in the L-Building.

Bliss Bailey
Network Support
Auburn University, AL
bailebn@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:41:14 -0400 
From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WORMS IN FISH

>I recently went fishing with two others at a farm pond in Missouri. 
>One guy kept a couple of bass to eat. As he cleaned the fish, he
>discovered that there were little worms or something similiar in the
>meat of the fish. He said that this wasn't a problem as long as you
>cook the fish. The other guy said that you should *not* eat these fish.
>He also noted that these worms in the fish came from the cattle that 
>use the pond. So.................................
> 
>1)Is it really safe to eat these fish if they are cooked?
> 
>2)Do these worms really come from cattle?
> 
>3)Should I find someone else to fish with?
> 
>Inquiring minds want to know.

Apparently this is a problem with Cod, Scrod, and a couple other popular
food fish.  However, our local fish-monger assures us that cooking will
kill any little critter you might find crawling around in your fish.  We
eat fish sometimes three times a week and have never had any problems
with parasites on our fish or in our bodies (if we find one, we just
pick it off, etc.) Sushi lovers sometimes encounter worms in their tuna
and whatnot -- hopefully before they eat it!  

As far as these worms being cow parasites, this is a new one on me. 
Your particular case may be an exception to the rule...

Andy    
Newsgroups: alt.fishing