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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: temptations
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:25:31 GMT

Brett E. Katz (bek@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
> 
>  Right now, a big box of gourmet, imported chocolates that
> I hid away in the back of a kitchen cabinet are calling me.
> I'm at work; the candy (a gift) is at home. I'm obsessing
> about the chocolate and getting pretty nervous about going 
> home.

Well... I used to just through stuff away that I knew I would
binge on.  I'd just take it right out to the dumpster and
dump it.  You feel really strong when you do this.
> 
>  So, how do I win out over the chocolate? I can't throw them
> away because that wouldn't be fair to my fiance (he can 
> eat them), plus I'd feel guilty throwing away perfectly
> good candy that would make a nice addition to a future dinner
> party....I know eating one would lead to eating them all...

I'm sure he will support you if you explain to him that you can't
deal with having them in your house, right?  He can either take him
to his place, if you live apart, or make the sacrifice to you.

Failing that, if I were you'd I'd put them where I can't see them or
get to them easily.  Though that never helped me if I were obsessing
about eating something.  I say throw them out!
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda Gunderson)
Subject: Aerobics at home
Reply-To: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda Gunderson)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:53:44 -0500

Hi folks.  I was watching TV the other morning and saw a hip-hop aerobics
show on ESPN.  It looked like fun.  It's called "Fitness Pros" and is
on at 11 a.m. Eastern, right before Denise Austin (I cannot stand to watch
her for more than about 25 seconds, she is so disgustingly perky.)
Also, I enjoy the new Cher tape; it's more dance than aerobics and is
low enough impact that my back can handle it.

Linda G.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:56:57 GMT

In article <Jan.22.15.55.20.1993.24785@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>Well, when you mix water with a substance that dehydrates you, like
>caffeine or carbonation, aren't you defeating the purpose?

Caffeine is a mild diuretic; however, 8oz of coffee or cola does not
dehydrate you by any means, especially if you drink them regularly.
Carbonation doesn't have any effect on fluid excretion.

>In Weight Watchers, they tell us to drink 6-8 8 oz glasses of water a
>day to flush impurities from our system, to keep us well hydrated, and
>to keep us feeling full.

And to keep you running to the ladies' room.

>Water is important to the body.  It helps your skin retain its moisture 
>and elasticity.  I generally feel better all over when I do this.  A few
>years ago, I tried increasing my water intake to 64 oz a day and after
>a month I had lost about 5 pounds - and I didn't do anything else.  I
>don't know why it happened, but it did.  Unfortunately, I didn't stick
>with it - which is why I'm in WW now, I need regular motivation.

You need regular motivation to drink 8 glasses of water a day.
Listen, this is not what is causing your weight loss--it's the
reduction in calories and fat.

>I've heard some pretty strong assertions that there is no scientific proof
>that drinking water is beneficial.  I'll reserve judgement until I've had
>the time to take a look for myself, but I wonder how closely those people
>actually follow the literature on that subject in the first place.

I think people should trust people who know something about human
physiology and be suspicious of claims which start with "water is good
for your complexion".

-- 
Steve Dyer
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: csanoy@bcars689.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cynthia Sanoy)
Subject: Re: temptations
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:59:46 GMT

Whenever I get the urge for something sweet, gooey, chocolate or just
plain decadent, I bake. Sometimes it's cheesecake, other times tollhouse
cookies. But the main point is that I eat 1 or two pieces of cheesecake
(over a couple of days) or a half dozen cookies, my husband will polish
off his fair share (but he walks 12 miles every day, so burns it off 
faster than I do!) then I take the rest to work.

Being female, I'm very much in a gender minority here, and the fellows I
work with sometimes behave as though they've never seen sweets before!
Makes me happy, because I've killed my craving, eliminated the temptation
to over indulge, and created a productive sugar-rush high at work. It also 
gives me a self confidence boost, because I restrained myself from eating 
the whole four dozen cookies, and because of the compliments I get on my
baking, which, fortunately or not, is my favourite hobby. 

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From: lol@cisco.com (Lol Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: ww exchanges?
Keywords: need exchange info
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:11:09 GMT
Organization: Cisco Systems, Menlo Park, CA, USA

In article <1993Jan25.121322.62532@watson.ibm.com> kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <1jpva2INNdeh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (i'm the baby, gotta love me!) writes:
>|> 
>|> now.  second question - i notice that some of the ww food at the
>|> store is labeled with 'floater' rations instead of 'optional calories'.
>|> what is the exchange between the two?  if i have half a floater for 
>|> example, is this approx 50 optional calories?
>|> 

The idea is that you get a daily allocation of proteins, breads, milks
fruits and fats, and you also get a discretionary number of floaters
you can use to get extra servings of any of these (except fats, which
don't float, if you see what I mean).  

So floaters are really equivalent to the optional calories. I suspect
WW does it this way to encourage using their own diet products, which
are, after all, a multi million dollar industry. If they lump it all
in as optional calories, it's easier to eat non-exchange counted
foods. In all fairness, I suppose it is easier working with exchanges
than with calories.

In the miscellaneous section of your food lists, you should find the
calorie equivalents of the proteins (70), breads (80), milks (90) and
fruits (60), making a floater average out at about 75 calories.

There's no reason not to convert between the two as needed.

>In week 3 of WW, you'll get "Personal Selections" - these used to 
>be called floaters.

I believe that this is the "old" plan.  Originally, you didn't get
additional selections until the 3rd week.  In an attempt to simplify
all the choices people had to make in the beginning.

It was a stupid idea and they stopped doing it this way (at least in
the plan I was on, just last year). The reason it was stupid is that
in the first few weeks not only do you lose the most weight with the
least effort (so the last thing you need is a more restrictive diet)
but it's also the period when they lost the most people, because
starting a new diet regime is such tough going, so again it's exactly
the wrong time to make the diet extra restrictive. I don't know for a
fact that this is their reasoning, but they *have* stopped doing it
this way in the latest plans.

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From: bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: temptations
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:58:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) says:


>
>Another attitude that you need to learn is that food is not "valuable"
>or "sacred".  Food is your servant.  It is there for you to use and if
>you can't use it, then there is no reason to keep it around.
>

 That is so true. I really need to teach myself not to make food such an
important and powerful part of my life. I let it control me instead of the
other way around. A very thin friend of mine says she just throws fattening
food up in a cabinet and literally forgets it is there until she
accidently stumbles across it. Wow, that's the mindset I want.
 
 I am getting better, though. I passed up home-made brownies the other
night and felt so good about it. Those feelings last a lot longer than the
pleasure from eating a brownie would have. As soon as I swallowed, I
would have regretted eating it. Now, several days later, I'm still
congratulating myself. 

 Overcoming food addictions and cravings is tough, but my self-esteem soars
every time I am successful. It's addicting and better for you!

 Thanks, again!!

 -- Brett

p.s. I saw another woman pass up brownies, too. As the tray was handed to
her, she popped a piece of gum into her mouth and gave the tray to the
next person. I smiled and ran out to buy gum!
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: food
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:07:14 GMT

In article <1jrodtINNslh@mirror.digex.com> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes:
>> Actually, you should eat relatively little meat--about 4-5 ounces a day,
>> and the rest of your diet should be grains, legumes (beans), fruits and
>> vegetables.  You're smart to delete added fats, but also be aware of
>> the fat hidden in other foods, such as meat.
>
>Agreed.  Except that 4-5 ounces of meat *every* *day* is actually pretty
>extreme, based on historical and biological norms.  That much per week or
>per month is more reasonable.
>
Extreme? Say what?

Even the newly enlightened Graham Kerr dishes out 6 ounces
per serving, for *one* meal. Although I can't remember
exactly, the Canada Food Guide recommends at least 4
ounces a day.  I'd be curious as to the source of your
comments.

Tracy 


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From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Unstuck
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: pooder@msus1.msus.edu	
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


Not that I'll never get stuck again, but today I'm feeling unstuck.  
Thanks to those of you who responded when I was "stuck, stuck, stuck".

Something that occurred to me as I read your posts and e-mail is that I
need to be more aware of my grieving process and set more time aside to
do that grieving.  I find that when I do, I get stuck less often and it
lasts for a shorter time.  A much better situation all around.

Today is a beautiful day in Rochester -- 35 and sunny; an unusual state
in the Frozen North.  I took my older daughter to the orthodontist's to
have her braces removed.  My younger daughter is having a sleep-over with
four friends to celebrate her 14th birthday (I'm baking the pizza).  My 
son and I are working on his Pinewood Derby racer (he's sure he will win
_this_ year).  Deborah and I played Scrabble and went to a movie last 
night.

It also would have been Bonnie's 38th birthday today.  That hurts.  
This morning I sat at the foot of my bed and cried as I looked at her 
picture.  I remembered the good birthday celebrations we had in years
past, and I wished we were celebrating together today.

But life is good.  Good things continue to happen to me and my life is
pleasing to me.  More and more I remember the good times Bonnie and I had
and I think of how my life was improved from knowing her.  I smile more as
I think of her and my life is easier than it was a few months ago.  There 
will be hard times again -- there are sure to be -- but I'll make it OK.
 
Thanks again, everyone.
-- 

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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:42:25 GMT

evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt) writes:


>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>
>>I personally like the idea of having, say, three bridesmaids in three
>>different style dresses, maybe all made out of the same fabric.  I'm not a
>>big fan of the traditional, uniform look of most of today's weddings.

>In point of fact, it's not traditional at all...and Miss Manners definately
>agrees with you.

I add my support for the idea. In my wedding, I had five bridesmaids, and I 
had each choose a dress that fit their style, in a different shade of green.
I made sure they were all approximately the same length and that everyone 
wore the same shoes and flowered straw hats that my mom made, and carried 
flowers tied with ribbons that included all the shades. Granted, my wedding
was very informal, but you might be able to use a similar idea in a more
formal one. It turned out very well; everyone looked comfortable and happy, 
the greens blended, it solved the problem of a variety of shapes of
bridesmaid, and everyone ended up with a dress they liked and could wear 
again. What more could you ask for? :->

Marty


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From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Wedding Shops that Carry Larger Sizes?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:38:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

As long as we're talking about wedding dresses...

If there's a large-size beauty out there in the SF Bay Area looking
to either 1) get married too soon to have a dress made, or 2) get
a lovely dress without a huge cash investment, let me know.  I'd like
to sell my dress.  I'm willing to be very reasonable on the price,
plus I'll alter it to fit you (I'm an experienced seamstress).

Charleen
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:29:26 CST
From: <U60132@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: glamorous info
Distribution: world

Hm, about what you said about Liz C...  I heard another rumor that her perfume
was not meant to be worn by 'blacks'.  Reading your article I'm convinced that
this is probably true!  I don't know what to think of people today, sigh.

OAN

Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: formenti@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Inge Formenti)
Subject: SF Bay Shopping Expedition?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:24:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
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Would there be any women in the San Francisco Bay area who would be 
interested in a shopping expedition in, say, March?  (By then Xmas
should be paid off, we would have some idea of where we stand with
the IRS, and it might even have stopped raining!)  All those ads in
Radiance are making me salivate!  If we're real motivated we might
even get one of those shopping tour places to provide leased transport.
And of course we could have an exquisite lunch as well... ;-)  E-mail
me if you're interested.

Inge Formenti (former lurker, professional shopper)
formenti@hpl.hp.com
From: lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:08:09 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <1993Jan21.150913.11988@sco.com> evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt) writes:
>
>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>
>>I personally like the idea of having, say, three bridesmaids in three
>>different style dresses, maybe all made out of the same fabric.  I'm not a
>>big fan of the traditional, uniform look of most of today's weddings.
>
>In point of fact, it's not traditional at all...and Miss Manners definately
>agrees with you.
>-- 

Wow, I feel vindicated!  My bridesmaids were costumed non-uniformly, too.
In our case we had the same style dress in the same fabric, but in different
colors.  The maid of honor was in a light green shade, the other two
bridesmaids were in deep pink, and the flower girls were in light pink.
(The flower girls were sisters, only a year or two apart in age -- to prevent
mayhem I _HAD_ to have them both.  Fortunately they were adorable almost
all of the time. :-)  )  The dresses were chiffon over taffeta and in
a very simple style that looked good on everybody.

This was in 1969, however, and I sure wish I still wore that size 10 (!!)
wedding dress.  That was a brief and anomalous period in my life, however. :-)
Since I don't wear that size now or anything close to it, this group is
wonderfully helpful.  BTW, I'd like to second the motion someone made about
voodoo dolls for salespeople.  I've got some local candidates in mind... :-)

Linda Smith
lksmith@truth.mitre.org
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:31:46 CST
From: <U60132@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: glamorous info
Distribution: world

Most of the 'big' men's clothes (via mail) that I've seen are of horrible
quality!  They are made with cheap materials and usually have the world's
strangest colors...  I've also noticed that most of the big men's clothes
that I have to buy ARENT tapered, which makes me look like I'm wearing 70's
style clothes (tight around the waist, 'bells' around the ankles).  I've
almost completely given up on dress pants and have basically stuck to
sweatpants and 'zip' pants...

BTW anyone know of any good clothes shops for men (say size 50) in the
Chicago area?

OAN
From: sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:01:55 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
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In article <Jan.19.17.33.21.1993.16263@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Jami Volaski,
volaski@gandalf.rutgers.edu writes:
>Hi- I have a problem and I was hoping that someone could help.  One of my
>bridesmaides is 6' tall and about a 22/24.  Unfortunately, most designers
>in the bridal shops go up to a size 20.  From past experience, large
size 
>stores don't offer much in the formalwear dept.  I also have to consider
>my maid-of-honor who is a size 8; they will be wearing the same dress.
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From: sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul)
Subject: When new Radiance?
Organization: ALS Imaging
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:08:57 GMT

When does the next issue of Radiance come out?
The last one I saw was the Fall issue with the kids
on the cover. Is there a Winter/January issue?

thanks,

Sue
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt)
Subject: Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:09:13 GMT


crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>
>I personally like the idea of having, say, three bridesmaids in three
>different style dresses, maybe all made out of the same fabric.  I'm not a
>big fan of the traditional, uniform look of most of today's weddings.

In point of fact, it's not traditional at all...and Miss Manners definately
agrees with you.
-- 
Art forms I'd like not to see, #419:  Abstract bowling.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:14:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan21.150913.11988@sco.com> evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt) writes:

>>I personally like the idea of having, say, three bridesmaids in three
>>different style dresses, maybe all made out of the same fabric.  I'm not a
>>big fan of the traditional, uniform look of most of today's weddings.

>In point of fact, it's not traditional at all...and Miss Manners definately
>agrees with you.

Ah!  Vindication from the Highest Source!  8-)

>Art forms I'd like not to see, #419:  Abstract bowling.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Inquiring minds definitely want to know more about this.  Is this like
synchronized swimming, only with a ball and ten pins?  The imagination 
boggles ...



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From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Wedding Shops that Carry Larger Sizes?
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:04:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Originator: cwechter@cyclone


Anybody know of a bridal shop in the Washington DC area
(hopefully Northern Virginia) that carries bridesmaid gowns
to try on in larger sizes?  Most of them stock one size
10 of each dress for people to try on, and then you have to
order your size. 

I need a store that carries a size 16 or larger, for trying-on
purposes.  I'd much rather order all the dresses from such
a place than from one that caters only to tiny bridesmaids.

Or if anyone knows a seamstress in the area who designs and
makes bridesmaids dresses that flatter larger women, that
would be a help too.

Thanks!

Chris
cwechter@mitre.org
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:33:52 EST
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Liz Clabourne, fashion faux pas, and designing one's own wardrobe.
 <93018.210354SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jan19.133543.620@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>

In article <1993Jan19.133543.620@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>,
csanoy@bcars689.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cynthia Sanoy) says:
>
>Which patterns do you prefer?  I'm kind of hooked on Burda right now, as
>I think the standard offering from Simplicity/Butterick/Vogue for large
>people is pretty dismal... same stuff I bought years ago, only repackaged!

I've never tried Burda.  When I need something, I just look through
all the pattern books until I see what I'm looking for.  (Not the
most scientific approach, I admit.)  Over the last few months,
I've used Simplicity, McCalls, and Butterick.  :-)

-Sonja
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