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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity'
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:36:00 GMT

In article <3173@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

>>> 	Yeah, considering that MOST teams cannot run against the
>>>   9'ers, what else are they gonna do but pass? 

>Of course, this doesn't explain how the Eagles last year could be 1st against
>the run and the pass.  They didn't have an offense to keep the defense off
>the field and well-rested, either.

Assuming that you put a great deal of faith in yardage statistics, it
simply means that the Eagles were an awesome and well-balanced defense.
Of course, it could also mean that the Eagles' offense and/or special
teams most of the time gave the opponent fantastic field position.

>>Another thing to consider is that winning teams often face opponents
>>who abandon the rushing game in favor of the passing game to try to 
>>catch up.

>And this doesn't explain how this year the Cowboys can be 4th against the
>pass, while also being one of the highest-scoring teams (tied with Minnesota
>for 3rd).

Perhaps they score more later in the game.  Perhaps they score more with
their defense.

>A more logical explanation of the stat is that the 49ers just don't have
>a very good secondary, and teams don't even bother trying to run on them.

1) It's a given that the Niners don't have a "very good" secondary.

2) It's virtually a given that they aren't anywhere near the worst
   in the league.

3) The secondary would look a bit better if teams could run against
   them.

4) The secondary would look a lot better if the Niners had any
   semblance of a pass rush.

The yardage stats for defenses can be really misleading.  As another
poster pointed out, the Niners probably aren't THE best rushing 
defense in the league.  And they almost certainly aren't the worst
passing defense.  But the disparity between the two prompts game
plans against them that magnifies the difference.

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From: fzorn@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Frank Zorn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:39:55 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

>Hey fellow Packer Backers, let's save the woofing and the Viking flaming until
>after the game in week 17.  We have all seen how all the other woofers have had to
>eat their words.  I would rather Packer fans continue to display the 'class' that
>has been reflected in posts all season long.  Hopefully we will continue to get
>our pleasure from victories on the field and not by belittling other teams fans.
i
I agree.  Let's show some class.  Too many of the posters to this group show
us that if they had one less chromosome, they'd be a Simpson.  Let's grow
up.  Don't stoop to such low levels.  I'm a big time Packer fan, and I'm 
really happy with the way they've been playing, but why slam other teams, or
other teams' fans?  Get a grip!  Packer fans don't need to lower themselves
to this.

Let's cheer for them to win their final two games.  If they do, great!  If
they make the playoffs, great!  If they don't, well, then six other teams
had a better season, even though the Pack finished strong.  Then all we can
do is hope they pick up where they left off next season.  I think they will.

Go Pack!  Let's finish the fight swinging!




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From: merrill@hades.stsci.edu (Clark)
Subject: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50    
Keywords:  Lucky Break! Aikman
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:52:00 GMT

I have a few points I would like to make about the AIKMAN fumble for a
Redskins TOUCHDOWN!  By the way I am a Redskins fan:-)

1.  I  think it was a fumble,  His arm  was going forward, but I thought
    he was pumping it, and he started the ball back in control.  I would
    really like  to see it from the other side of the field.  He sure acted
    like it was a fumble when it came loose!

    I would find it amazing if he could be throwing the ball and have it
    come back the other direction still in contact with his hand.  I don't
    think it ever left his hand, but like I said I want  to see it from
    the other side of the field so we can see what was happening when the
    ball actually came out of his hand!

    I could  still be convinced it was an incomplete pass, but I  want  to
    see a replay from the other side!  No amount of insane babble from the
    Dallas fans on the net is going to convince me, I just want to see it
    from another angle.

2.  The Emmit Smith fumble almost looked like he saw he was being tackled
    in the end zone and flipped it forward!  I think he was down before he
    flipped it, but it was damn close and imposible to tell at normal
    speed.  By the way before all of the  Cowboys fans start whining
    about not having instant  replay, remember the Redskins voted to
    keep instant reply and the Cowboys voted to get rid of it.

3.  Why did Aikman not try to get rid of it!  Throw it quick and long out of
    bounds near somebody!  Keeping the ball will result in either disaster
    or a first down.  This time it  was a disaster!!!!!!!!!  The play looked
    very disorganized from the start!  It looked like the Redskins
    did something totally unexpected on defense.  I  will have to read
    the paper tomorrow and see what happened

It  was definately the most shocking play I have seen this year!!!!  I think
it should of been a safety.  But I doubt  very much whether that call would
be made right most of the time without instant reply.

If it had been a safety, the Redskins would still of had a chance to
drive for a field goal to win.  That would of been much more enjoyable!

I thought that  Dallas  outplayed the Redskins except for the four
turnovers!  Turnovers can make easily turn a  win into a loss.  That is what
killed the Redskins against the Cards.

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:50:11 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:20:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: Re: The annoying fucker with his redskins posts..
Keywords: Annoying redskins
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:36:33 GMT

In article <1ggbtnINNa4r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> iav@po.cwru.edu writes:
>Hmm... Seeing the consistency of his postings it would seem that he had
>a program set up to post his post to the newsnet... Therefore..
>It is highly possible that he left his machine on, and it has been
>posting it every 5 minutes (by itself).. Personnaly, I can't think
>of anyone that would sit there for that long posting messages..
>*chuckle*
>ps..
>Screw all the other teams.. Saints will prevail!
>

Yeah, this annoying little fucker has really pissed off
the FOOTBALL GODS and his annoying posts are a major JINX!
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: Ray Handley Firing
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:15:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.180818.821@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>One of the local Dallas newscasters is Craig James, the former SMU and
>New England running back.  A few days ago there was an onwer's meeting
>in Dallas and James was there bugging the owners.
>
>Last night James reported that Handley would be gone after the season,
>and that Bill Parcells was talking to the Giants owner about rebuilding
>the team.  I don't know his sources, but he has scooped the rest of the
>media before (he also flopped once or twice).
>
>This would be good news for the Giants, because if Parcells returns, so
>will LT.  This would be bad news for the rest of the NFC East.
>
>Nix

The fact that Parcells is still held in high asteem by Giants fans
surprises me.  If he had "retired" at the end of the season, the
following would have happened:

   1)  Bill Belecheck (sp?) would have been named head coach rather
	than Ray Handley

   2)  There would have been more time for the Giants to prepare for
	the next year (hiring assistant coaches, etc...)

By the time Handley was named coach, all the good assistants had 
already moved on to their new locations.  The timing of Parcells
decision is a BIG BIG reason for the Giants woes the last two years.
But still the fans blame Handley 100%.  It should be Handley 50%,
Parcells 50%, IMHO.

What about it Giants fans? 

-- 
-- Thad Crews                             (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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From: jwc@netxcom.netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Skins/Eagles
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:34:37 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

cheese@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Charles Alpert) writes:
>Everyone seems to be talking about how the Eagles are legitimate
>contenders and about the Vikings and everything, but as an Eagles
>fan I'm very scared of the game in two weeks against the Skins.
>
>Last year, Dallas came to Philly and the Eagles were 9-5 and they
>knocked us out of the playoffs and it could happen again this year.
>I would much rather be playing Dallas, and possibly the Niners,
>but the Skins have been playing pretty well in the last 2 weeks
>and seem to be peaking.  Plus, they have one huge advantage - Joe
>Gibbs.  Kotite is no match, and we all know in advance the Eagles
>will get outcoached.

The Skins do seem to be peaking, as they are getting players back off of
the IR list. But the week 16 Skins/Eagles match-up has important playoff
implications for both clubs. If Green Bay wins this week in Houston, the
Pack will be close on the heels of both teams (-1 game); if the Pack loses
and the Skins and Eagles both win, I think the Pack are eliminated, but I
am not sure. Also, as seems likely, the Skins and Eagles will be playing 
for wildcard spots #2 and 3.  The loser might end up travelling to Minne-
sota (where Washington won once already this year); the winner could end
up in New Orleans, the #1 wildcard. So it might come down to where you want 
to play first.

As for Gibbs, well yes, remember that this man's nickname is Mr. December.
He has a knack for getting wins late in the season. At some point a few
years ago, he had some incredibly high winning percentage in December, up
over .750.

As for contenders, I think any of the NFC playoff teams have a good chance.
Philly beat Dallas once, edged Minnesota, and nearly beat the 9'ers. The 
Skins won at the HHH Dome earlier (by a hair), and should have beaten the
Saints. As a Skins fan, I am hoping for a repeat of 1988, when the Vikes 
knocked out the Niners and Washington got to host the NFC Championship 
game. Of course this time around, they won't host anything.

>By the way, during the Niners game when the headsets went dead,
>were any other Eagle fans ecstatic.  I figured that if neither
>team is allowed to use their coaching staff, that gives the Eagles
>a decisive advantage.

Heh-heh, good one!

-JC
The NFL Mad Man.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Andre Ware is Baaaaaaad!!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:20:45 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <jjonsson.297@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>	They use the run and shoot to produce a lot of offense, but they are 
>shooting themselves in the foot, and are reducing the length of Barry 
>Sanders career by the use of four wide-outs. They don't produce nearly as 
>much offense as say, San Fran or Buffalo, because they don't have an 
>effective running game. (Can you say BLOCKER!) How many 100yd games has 
>Barry had this year anyway? He certainly has dropped from the picture as far 
>as feature backs go. Hasn't he. . .

First off, they changed their offense early this year and weren't using the
run-n-shoot when Barry was really struggling. They went back to it, and
barry has gotten better so that part of your theory doesn't hold water. The
big problem is their offensive line, and their Qb's. They don't have a
proven NFL starter at QB, and you need one. They lost 2 members of their OL
and have had a devil of a time replacing them.

The run-n-shoot is not a magic potion that allows you to have a great offense
just because you use it. You still have to have good players to execute it.
With good players, it has worked in the NFL for the Oiler, the Falcons and
in past years for yes the Lions.

It helps a runner like Barry because it spreads out the defense and forces
the defense to focus on stopping the pass. It has limitations close to the
endzone mainly due to not having a tightend, but the offense will work just
like any other offense if you have the personnel to run it, and right now
Detroit doesn't.




Russ Smith
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami/Bills/Chiefs for #2 spot
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:35:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: vuse.Bz3srA.FBL
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA

In article <1992Dec10.195032.18967@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>If Miami wins 3 and Buffalo only wins 2, Miami is the division champ.
>You are right, after record it goes to head-to-head, then
>division, then conference records.  And, in this scenario, Miami would 
>be 11-5 with their losses coming to:
>Division		Conference		Others
>Buffalo			-			New Orleans
>NY Jets						San Francisco
>Indianapolis
>
>While the Bills would look like
>Division		Conference		Others
>Miami			LARaiders		???
>NY Jets
>Indianapolis
>
>So, with games against Denver, New Orleans, and Houston and with them
>currently tied in head-to-head, tied in division, and with Buffalo at
>a -1 disadvantage in conference records (loss to LA), ANY loss by Buffalo
>combined with 3 victories by Miami and Miami wins.  
>
>-- 
>David T. Meeks 

Not only that, but 3 wins by Miami and a loss by Buffalo puts Miami #2
in the AFC.  They would then have a BYE the first week of playoffs, and
the next week they would HOST a team, most likely the AFC West Champ
(K.C? San Diego?).  Win that game at home and Miami goes to Pittsburg
(unless the Steelers are upset by a wildcard team) for the right to
play in the Superbowl.

Likewise, if Buffalo wins all three of its games, they are #2 and ditto
the above.

Like-likewise, if K.C. wins all three of its games, AND Buffalo loses
at least once, AND Miami loses at least once, the Chiefs are #2 and
get a BYE and then host a playoff game.

Miami, Buffalo, and Kansas City should all make the playoffs.  But I
suggest that none of these teams will make the Superbowl without being
the #2 seeded team in the AFC (the #3 team is also a division winner,
but has to play an EXTRA ROAD GAME in the playoffs WITHOUT A WEEK OFF).

(I love exciting finishes....)
-- 
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From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
Subject: Re: "Neon" Deion
Reply-To: kellywh@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:34:00 GMT

In article <b5Dh03xDc3Cy00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>,
ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:

>In article <19921211201306CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU> kellywh@mail.auburn.edu writes:
>>I'm pretty new to this newsgroup (volume's too great!), but...
>>
>>I'll give credit to Deion Sanders for two things: 1) he's an
>>*extremely* dangerous kick returner, and 2) his speed makes him
>>a very good pass-coverage man (he can recover from his mistakes).
>>But am I alone in thinking that he is a terribly over-rated tackler?
>>I'll admit that I'm a Saints fan-atic, but I live close enough to
>>Atlanta to see a *lot* of Falcons games, and I've seen him TIME-AFTER-
>>TIME shy away from taking on an RB one-on-one, or wait until two or
>>three guys slow down a runner before he sort of slaps and pushes his
>>his way into an assist.  Granted, I've also seen him lay a pretty
>>good lick on somebody to knock him out of bounds, too, but that's
>>*far* less often.  All I'm saying is I wish the TV announcers would
>>stop ooh-ing and ahh-ing at a play during which he in fact wimps out.
>>
>>I'm not saying that I think he's gutless - hell, anybody who's only
>>180 or 190 *should* pick and choose who he takes on, I'm just saying
>>let's not make him more than he is.
>
>I wouldn't flame you for this but having played some defensive back at the
>very light weight of 140 pounds in high school I can tell you that it is
>just plain stupid to go sticking your head in there on some guy who outwieghs
>you by 30-40 pounds. Sanders must pick and choose for the reasons you've cited
>and more. He is the fastest man on the Falcon defense and that makes him the
>safety valve. If the guy gets by him... he just could.... gooooo .... all....
>the... way... By the time a DB is making a tackle the guy generaly has damn
>good yardage already! His job is to stop the guy from scoring. Deion is not
>a hitter by trade. He is one of the best cover men in the business. For the
>record, they list him at 190 pounds. But at 6'1" that's a pretty wiry 190 and
>doesn't make a very good battering ram. Lay off Deion. He does what he does
>quite well... Don't try to make him into Ronnie Lott.  But then, when was the
>last time Ronnie Lott went 99 yards with a kickoff?
>--
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
>
>

Exactly!  The only complaint I have is that most announcers *do* try
to make him into a Lott-style intimidating tackler, which he is not.
I think he's the most dangerous kick returner around, and his speed
makes him indispensible to the Falcons defense.  Okay...I'll shut
up now. :-)
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From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Subject: Re: EAGLES IN SUPER BOWL
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:55:52 GMT

reille85@wharton.upenn.edu wrote:
: EAGLES TO WIN SUPER BOWL
: 	-Despite Rich Kotite
: 	-Despite no Jerome Brown
: 	-Despite no Keith Jackson
: 	-Despite no Ben Smith

: 	Eagles 21 Saints 20
: 	Eagles 27 Dallas 17
: 	Eagles 30 49ers 27

     Boy, you've got guts!  Good luck...  Dan