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From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Good PD Utilities for 2.0?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:08:56 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
:   I just got my A3000 (I know, I'm 1000 behind), and
:   am interested in utilities for 2.0.  I'm looking at
:   ToolManager and AddMenu.  They both look like they're
:   trying to do the same thing, am I right?  Are there
:   any other nifty 2.0 only utilities I should know about?
: 
:   Thanks, Clare
:   clare@nynexst.com

Something that I use is a program called ARQ.
What it does is replace those boring requester like 'Insert Disk: blah'
with requester with animations in.

Its looks pretty cool. Get it now!

Vlod
From: ej@id.dth.dk (Erik Johansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:48:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:


>Just a question.. why don't Amigas coredump like UNIX?  Why do they
>instead crash messily and reset?  Basically, I'm asking.. what allows a
>UNIX to coredump, and relativeily, what does Amiga LACK that won't let
>it coredump w/o crashing?

Core dump is not a good idea either, the core files always take up a lot of
good file space.  I like the possibility of KickStart2.0 to suspend a
crashed process.

-- 
Erik Johansen / Institute for Computer Science / Danish Technical University
ej@id.dth.dk
From: A.C.Crook@newcastle.ac.uk (A.C. Crook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A1200 - No H.D drive, no 68030?
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:32:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


>>2) An 880K floppy drive? Why not HD? It won't cost that much!
>
>I agree. As a friend of mine pointed out, the Amiga may end up
>in the same dilema that the Atari ST was in, when some of the
>machines had single sided drived, and some had double sided ones.
>This really pisses off software houses! And understandably too..
>
>I reckon it might be too late to start installing HD drives, but
>I'd still like to see it done.
>

According to Amiga Format in the UK, it was a simple choice between 2 megs
of chip ram installed as standard or a HD drive. They consulted the s/w houses
as to which they preferred and they all said the 2 megs of ram. The reason
for this was to keep the price below 400 pounds. A good compromise I suppose, 
even though I would have loved to see a HD drive (and would have been prepared
to pay for it).
External HD drives are being advertised as appearing soon. So if you're that
worried about having one... but that's off the point.

Adey Crook. Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne.
From: walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: NEEDED: deTeX and info on Installer
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:39:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Nov17.003953.810
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Greetings and Salutations,

I am in need of two things, one moreso than the other.  In order of
importance, these are:

1. A program to "deTeX" TeX and/or LaTeX documents.  I've tried dvi2tty but
   this required far too much post-processing to be feasible.  The intent
   is to convert LaTeX documentation into ASCII without *too* much manual
   labor.  Source, binaries, GNUemacs programs, any platform, any hint
   whatsoever, greatly appreciated!

2. Information on Commodore's Installer program.  I've learned a few bits
   about it by going through various scripts that accompanied software that
   used this program, but getting the whole picture to write my own script
   is a bit daunting.  Do I need to be a registered developer to distribute
   Installer with my own, free software?

Any help on either or both of these question is greatly appreciated.
Please reply via email and if there is need, I shall summarize to the net.

 ._.  Udo Schuermann       "One cannot simultaneously prevent and
 ( )  walrus@wam.umd.edu    prepare for war."  -- Albert Einstein
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Betting on an A1800
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 22 Nov 92  11:22:00

> Organization: Queensland University of Technology
> From: barham@qut.edu.au
> Message-ID: 1992Nov19.134614.58859@qut.edu.au
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
>
> I think it is probably unlikely.  The A4000 will be coming out with
> an '030 version.  What's the point of anything between the A1200's
> '020 and that?

Because  the  A4000-030  will  cost  a  LOT  more  -  probably around $2000
(American).  The A1200 will be what, about $600 or so?  Thats a large gap.

> > My guess is that at some point, probably next year, a new low cost
> > machine (probably called the A1800) will appear at around the 500 -
> > 700 pound price mark.
>
> Why "probably called the A1800"?  Do you have inside information?

Doubtfull.  Probably just wishfull thinking/speculation.

> > It will probably have a 68030 processor, as opposed to the 68020
> > processor in the A1200.   To justify the price, a hard drive will
> > probably be included, along with an HD drive.
>
> As I said, there will be an '030 version of the A4000.  I kinda look
> at it as - A4000/040 replaces A3000, A4000/030 replaces A2000, A1200
> replaces A500 and A600 sits down the bottom all alone.  I know the

?   The  A4000-030  will  cost  a  LOT more than the A2000.  I consider the
A4000-030  to  be a replacement for the A3000, and the A4000-040 as pushing
up  the high end to new levels.  The A1200 is somewhat of a replacement for
the A500, but it really just fills a gap that was never filled before.

> The A1200 stacks up pretty good against your 386sx SVGA home machine.
> The A4000/040 and /030 machines stack up pretty good against higher
> level machine. What else do we need?

We need a broader range of machines.

We need:

A600/A600HD    $400/$600
A1200/A1200HD  $600/$800

"A2200" (or whatever you want to call it):
  16Mhz '030, HD standard, 2 meg chip/1 fast (with SIMM sockets for exp),
  AGA of course, detached keyboard / 'pizza box' case, 2 Zorro slots, price
  of around $1500.

A4000-030  $2000.
A4000-EC040  $2500.  (uses EC 040)
A4000-040    $3000.  (current A4000)
A4000T-040   $4000.  (Tower, 5 Zorro slots, *SCSI*, 33Mhz 040 card)

> Tim.
> --
>
> -!--------------------------------------------------------------------
> | t.barham@qut.edu.au (Tim Barham) - SUPER PLEB!                     |
> | Applications Programmer for the Computer Based Education Section,  |
> | Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane, Qld, Australia      |
> -!--------------------------------------------------------------------
> | "You're so open-minded that your brain leaked out..."              |
> -!--------------------------------------------------------------------

 - Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer -Given that the universe-
 --- AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Magnet, Major, etc ---is infinate, and god is-
 --- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! ---all powerful, would you-
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--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:38:26 GMT

In article <xIk+r*dk1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <BxBI8q.HL8@news.iastate.edu>, Marc N. Barrett writes:
>
>>    Strange that this comes only a couple of weeks after Apple announced that
>> it had broken IBM's record in the personal computer industry by shipping 
>> 2 million systems in one year.  Why is Commodore getting hit by almost 25%
>> reductions in sales, while Apple Computer is reporting record sales?  
>
>The answer is obvious to anyone but MB.  Most of CBM's sales come from Europe.
>There is a REAL recession going on there, not just a slow growing economy that
>the media and Slick Willie have conned the public into believing is a depression!
>Also, the dollar has been falling.  This hurts dollar denominated results.
>
>Most of Apple's sales are in the US.  Get the picture yet, Marc?

   In other words, Commodore's total abandonment of the U.S. market is
coming back to haunt them, as the U.S. economy is now showing the strongest
growth of the industrialized nations.  Since Commodore has abdanoned the
U.S., they cannot benefit from this U.S. economic growth, and are stuck
until Europe emerges from its recession.  Yes, I get the picture.

>UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
> or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: cschneid@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Schneider Christian)
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:31:39 GMT

In article <92323.003545BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> Blaise Tarr <BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>So why hasn't memory protection and resource tracking been implemented on the
>Amiga?  It doesn't SEEM too difficult of a project; use the MMU to make sure

*SIGH*
This thread really makes me tired...
If it doesn't _seem_ to be difficult to you, the only reason is you didn't
understand the problems involved in Memory Protection.
AmigaOS was not, is not and never will be designed for MP. Take message
passing as an example...

NOT having memory protection is perhaps something which you might miss
in AmigaOS, but it's also one of its _biggest_ features speedwise!
If you want a small, fast Realtime OS, use AmigaOS.
If you want a protected multi-user system, use UNIX.
Both are available for the Amiga ;-)

- Chris
-- 
Chris Schneider - cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch BIX: hschneider IRC: cschneid
It's impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,sbcs.sbcss
From: jas54553@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry A. Segler Jr.)
Subject: Re: LHA for UNIX
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:17:15 GMT

In <1992Nov19.054934.14805@news.uiowa.edu> mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins) writes:

>>	I cannot extract my lha files from my UNIX account. Does anyone
>>know where I can get lha for the unix systems?

>grind.isca.uiowa.edu
>Look in the unix/arc-progs area.

This will only work on lh1 and lh5 compress (or was it lh1 and lh4?).  I know
of *no* program on Unix that will extract lh4 (or was it lh5) compress types.

But then again... Does anyone know if there is one that will?

BTW, lh1 is lharc's compression, lh5 is LHA 1 (I think) and lh4 is LHA 2 (I
think).

-Jerry
-- 
 "I didn't do it... Nobody saw me do it... You can't prove anything!!!"
	-Bart Simpson
 "I think the surest sign of Intelligent life in the Universe is that fact
  that none of it has tried to contact us" -Calvin & Hobes & Many others.
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:36:10 EST
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:

> Please also note that I'm *NOT* saying this to in any way promote or encourag
> piracy. I'm just trying to get things straight. A lot of people are almost
> scared to discuss the subject, since it's a goddamn tabu!
> 
> Piracy == Copying without permission == Illegal
> 
> Please?
> 
Hmm, I said the same thing, and was called lots of names, accused of 
being a fifteen year old pirate geek, and basically flamed beyond reason, 
all because I did not buy in 100% with the coporate-mindeset line.  Seems 
that unless you agree 100% with the net.zealots, you're scum.  (That's 
the favorite term.)  So don't expect any sense from some people, and 
don't expect the above comment to help much...;)
From: MOD21325@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Carsten Kemper, Modula)
Subject: Re:  v92i011: Enforcer V37.25, A tool to watch for
Reply-To: MOD21325@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de
Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:23:32 GMT



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Subject: Re: Supra sucks: Modem problems
Reply-To: mueller@schaefer.UUCP (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:38:11 GMT

In article <By0tEv.4IF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Ok, so my modem stopped working after a lightning storm.  (It's a
>V.32FAX).  There's no more dialtone, and I hear static noise, too.. so I
>send it in to Supra to fix, and they send it back saying
>it's repaired.  Bullshit.  I do "atdtxxxxxx" and there's 1) no dialtone
>and 2) Some strange static garbage.  So I get a return authorization #
>and send it back to get a new unit.  I got it back this morning, and
>tried it out.  NOW there is a dialtone, and it dials, but there's still
>this stupid static in the background!!!  And because of this static
>noise, it won't connect at all.  Now is this my machine or my setup?  I
>swear this modem worked fine before.  Have any of you experienced this?

  I'm guessing that it might be your machine.  

  NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER use the modem during a lightning
 storm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Can you borrow a modem from someone to see if the static sound is there?  Or,
can you bring your modem to somebody elses complter to see if the static sound
is there?

>It's really pissing me off, and I'm about to just send it in to get my
>fucking money back.  Supra is one of the slowest and most inefficient
>companies I've had to deal with.  It can't be any of the settings.. I
>can't imagine any setting that would cause static - especially such
>intense static as this.  Well, apparently Supra is braindead.. please
>reply if you have any idea what's going on.  Thanks.
>
  As it may be your machine (due to your using the thing in a lightning storm),
it may not be that Supra is braindead.  
>-- 
>Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
>shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
>(NeXTmail welcome)  |

Carl Mueller (mueller@math.wisc.edu)
From: bas@wam.umd.edu (Bryan Adam Slavin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiag Education and Powerup Price List
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:35:40 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


	Does anyone have any new education deals for A4000's from Commodore?
If so, could you mail them to me at bas@wam.umd.edu? It would be much           
appreciated.  Also, if anyone has any information on a powerup program
to go from A3000's to A4000's, please E-mail me.  Thanks again!
-B
From: manes@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 educational pricing
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:04:55 EDT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov11.153503.2545@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lance Gibb) writes:
> I'm looking to find out what current educational pricing is on the new
> Amiga 4000s.  I called my local dealer and he told me that WITH and
> educational discount, the price would be $2995!!  That's only $200 less
> than what they sell them for retail, and I have heard of other dealers
> throughout the country selling them retail for $2795!!
>  
> Obviously my local dealer is clueless, or else C= educational pricing has
> gone to hell.

The Educational Individual pricing of the A4000/040 is $2959.  This price
came from the Commodore price list dated September 1st.

The retail price (MSRP) of the A4000/040 is $3699.  A lot of dealers are
selling them around $3100.  I doubt seriously anyone but mail order folks
are selling them at $2795.  I know that we can't afford to sell them at
$2795.  We are selling them for $2999.

>  
> Can someone tell me what the ACTUAL price on a new 4000 (without monitor)
> would be with an educational discount, and leave me the location/phone #
> of a dealer that will actually get it for me at that price.
>  
> Please Email responses, I don't read this group that often (I'll post a
> summary to the group if I get enough responses)

If you don't read this group, why did you post to this group?  I am posting
this for all to see.  

>  
> Thanks in advance.
> 

-mark=
manes@vger.nsu.edu
Perot in '96!

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:17023 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:29354
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: Programming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:46:53 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <92321.132122DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
> In article <mwm.2nmz@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
> (Mike Meyer) says:
> 
> >> AMOS that WILL let you do everything on the workbench if you want, instead
> >> of forcing you to use your own private screen.
> 
> >Like I said - the problem is the package, not the language. It'd be
> >nice if they fixed it.
> 
> No it would not be nice! Let me ask you, what is the point of making a new
> programming package with the same limitations as the previous (e.g.
> AmigaBasic)? Well, none. Gee, I guess the point is that AMOS let's you do
> things easily that are -impossible- normally.

Impossible? Hmm - you really are as silly as you sound.

> But since it doesn't do
> EVERYTHING under the sun, it's no good. Couldn't use more than one
> programming language. Oh no!

Nope; it's only good for a very small set of things. It's not
something I'd recommend to anyone.

> >This is a good reason NOT to start with AMOS, especially since there
> >are alternatives that are easier to use, and are system-compliant; at
> >least for most things.
> 
> First of all, do you know -any- beginning programmer who's first
> inspiration is to produce some kind of system-compliant GUI thing?
> Hell no. They bought an Amiga for its custom chips and want to make it
> work for them.

They did? You've personally asked *ALL* of them? 

> Besides, programming GUIs is boring as anything; why

Can't argue with that.

> would a recreational programmer want to do it? Just so he can have
> the approval of stuffy people like you? Hehe.

I guess you'd rather have them write things with lots of pretty lights
to fascinate the easily amused like you. And not worry about actually
working with anything else on the system, because nobody really cares
about doing something usefull with the Amiga.

> >"Doing it a little differently" means "it looks like it's not
> >multitasking, and it screws up other programs, and it confuses
> >people." That's more than I can say about most programs.
> 
> What can I say, you are easily confused. :-)

At least I'm not so confused that I think that AMOS is usefull.

> >It also appears to steal keyboard input, and disable certain intuition
> >calls (or at least cause them not to happen). This means that hotkey
> >commodites in general don't work. Of course, given the general
> >behavior of AMOS, it could be some other obscure thing it's doing
> >wrong. While these things aren't a problem per se, such behavior is a
> >bug in anything but a game (and in most of those).
>                              
> Just adds to your credibility. :-)

Riiiight. It's not a game unless it's got lots of fast-moving objects
to keep the very dull amused. Things that actually require thought as
opposed to ape-like reflexes aren't games.

	<mike
From: peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: lharc and lzh
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:57:41 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Nov21.181707@cs.man.ac.uk>, peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake) writes:
>Can someone email me the location of an up to date version of lharc,
SNIP
>Peter Wake
My questions have been answered: use LhA.
Thanks.
--
Peter Wake
From: Daniel_Frost@arkham.bbs.bad.se (Daniel Frost)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Question Concerning....  PIRACY!
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:22:24 GMT
Reply-To: Daniel_Frost@arkham.bbs.bad.se (Daniel Frost)
Organization: Arkham Asylum, Stockholm, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Slhmz@cc.usu.edu


  Hey Slhmz@cc.usu.edu, on 13th at 14:54 you wrote the following:

 S >   Now, I play the "pirated" version.  Does this make me a pirate?

I would defenately NOT define you as a pirate.

I know that some persons would say that you are a pirate, but you must use 
your OWN moral judgement.

                        _
      Daniel Frost,  _ //  InterNet: Daniel_Frost@arkham.bbs.bad.se
      Arkham Asylum  \X/        BBS: +46-8-6269355

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From: c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Piracy
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:38:24 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca

Actually, I wasn't defending piracy. I was simply annoyed at such a silly equation
as: Piracy=Shoplifting...

-Oliver


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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: IF YOU UNDERSTAND $C00000 AND $800000, READ THIS
Keywords: MEMORY, ram, addmem
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:15:11 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.063654.16399@leland.Stanford.EDU> alexm@leland.Stanford.EDU (alex matthews) writes:
>Normally, I'd agree with you... but as an A1000 owner, I think it
>is unfair that it IS possible to run 2.04 on my machine, however,
>Commodore has not seen fit to let me do so.  All they would have
>to do is sell the operating system with an additional kickstart
>file disk and Zkick (or something similar).  I cannot see any

A number of companies sell rom adapter kits that would let you
run the standard 2.04 roms for the A2000 in your A1000.  Have
you looked into those ?  Then you wouldn't be put into the
position of defending software piracy.

>I'm really sick of 1.3.   Also you can't just tell me I should go
>out and get one of those little kits that allows me to put the rom
>in my 1000.  I've hacked this puppy a little too much, and anything
>more in the way of the bus would give it a permenant guru.

Ah, I see you've thought about it, at least a little.  If you've got
extensive loading on the bus, then probably you should switch your
writable control store module to a rom, and lessen the load on your
bus.  Its only 256K of ram, which you more than make up by getting to
use your ram card as system ram, rather than as storage for 2.04.

			andy
-- 
andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com

"Unix is the Operating System of the future, and always will be."

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
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