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From: quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 05:49:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> I must be missing something here.  Do playwrights write plays to be
>|> >|> acted or to be read?  Do you read opera?  Do you read film scores?  
>|> >
>|> >Yes, you are missing something.   People do read this stuff.   My
>|> >local bookstore has an entire section of Opera scores.
>|> 
>|> Well, what is it?  Do playwrights write plays for reading or for
>|> acting?  Of course people read these things--I do myself.  But the
>|> idea of reading say, the Magic Flute, without listening to it strikes
>|> me as rather unusual behaviour.
>
>I'm not sure why you think it's so unusual.   I expect there is
>something to be got out of reading a written text that you don't
>necessarily get from a performance.

Well, what is it?  Sure, "I expect there is something" --sorry, D-

>|> >|> Laban?  Stockhausen?  To be really insulting, do you read synchronised 
>|> >|> swimming scripts, and let your 'imagination' provide the performance? 
>|> >
>|> >I don't know about synchronized swimming, but people write books
>|> >about competitive swimming and diving, and other people read them.
>|>  
>|> Well, so what?  I believe I said "scripts", not "books about".  Let's
>|> stick to the point, which is that the scripts I refer to were written
>|> to be performed, not read.  Now, did WS write R&J to be performed,
>|> or did he write it to be read?  That was my question.
>
>And when he wrote it, did he think "I'm am *not* writing this for
>someone to read"?

Come now, answer the question.  Why can't you stick to the point?

>jon.

Mart
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:02:58 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

They gone on a mass campaign, after the tourist season.  8 Bom attacks within a
period of 10 days.

My disgust for these extremists cannot be hidden any longer.  All they
accomplish is that MORE restraint should be but on Northern Irish territory.

It seems that there are people who CANNOT respect the fact that 20 years ago,
the British Army came in AT THE INVITATION of the then Stormont government as
THEY turned to Westminister for help.

I wonder what would happen if the British and the Irish military decided handed
in to work on a peaceful resolution to the Northern Irsih problem.

It was agreed in the 1920's that 6 Irish counties that wanted to remain under
the Crown, went its way.

Let history be the judge of that.

If the IRA can't except the current situation, I wonder what would ACTUALLY
happen if both Britain and Ireland decided jointly to send their armies into
the trouble zone.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:44:25 GMT

In article <BvwA9w.Dt5@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
> I take your point but it depends how bad it is. It's also the case that having
> spent some time here in a smoke-free zone, it's quite bad having to put up
> with any. One's tolerance gets lowered, which is of course quite unfortunate
> from the perspective of visits to most of the rest of the world.

Tell me about it. I used to live in the States before I moved to France.

> >Don't think I like (or tolerate) smoke, I just keep looking for nice
> >places where I can avoid it, in perhaps what might be an otherwise 
> >smoky environment.
> >
> How do smokers there tend to react to requests that they not smoke in your
> house/office/while you are eating? Just curious.

People don't smoke in my house even when I am not eating. People don't
smoke in the common parts of the office as it is a matter of policy. It
is pointless asking people to stop in restaurants as you would end having
to ask virtually everyone. The only course of action is to try and quickly
identify the least smokey part of the restaurant and sit there. I don't go
to bars anymore, but that's no great loss.

Simon.

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From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:58:18 GMT

My theory is that Dave Yadalee is Henry Root. Expect "Root Letters II - the
Usenet Idiots" out soon.

P.


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From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:23:22 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

wasn't there someone high up in the Scottish Tory party caught in an
Edinburgh Hotel with a prostitute and a slipper?

obPeeve: never being able to remember the details of these weird
stories.

Still, if you use this one, you'd get some wry amusement from "booting
up" ;-)

FoFP
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Salaries
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:37:39 GMT
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble

In article <1992Oct13.155149.14662@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
|> >
|> >Point is if I cannot afford to buy a house in the UK how can anybody else?
|> 
|> Easy, high house prices mean that when your parents die you
|> inherit a large amount, This is what the Tories call "wealth
|> trickling down the generations", and what I call pcondmning
|> those not lucky enough to be part of the inheritance generation
|> to lifelong second class citizenship.

Wealth trickling down the generations? maybe the Tories need to set up a
regulatory body to make sure this is running right.  A far simpler way
of tricklin' that wealth down is a good dose of inflation, which basically
transfers money from rich old people with money in the bank, to wage earners.

Bummer is that inflation is EVIL the world over these days so those rich old
people simply put their savings in an offshore Deutschmark Unit Trust account,
further stuffing the economy.

"Aha", I hear the socialist part of you cry  "exchange controls !".  Well
that's another no-go, so much of our trade requires foreign currency movements
these days that you'll stuff the economy that way too.


How about a spare bedroom tax ?  For every room which could reasonably be used
as a bedroom but which no-one is living in you have to 1 Local Tax Unit (tbd).
I'm treating living space as a resource you'll have to pay for too,
especially if you're not using it.


|> Certainly a good proportion of the students I teach
|> are only doing Computer Science because they couldn't get into
|> "Business Studies" and can't wait to graduate and become
|> accountants.

I'm not sure I believe this but maybe it explains why they only turn up on a
part time basis for your lectures.

David.
From: duncan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Duncan Mcintryre@grenoble)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:11:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british

> By the way, something different, what's the correct pronunciation of
> the name "John Menzies"?


My grandparents always assured me that it should be "John Mingiss" (more or
less). Something to do with the "Z" sound not existing in Gaelic.

What's the correct pronunciation of my name...?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Organization: Soo, Grabbit & Runne
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:51:11 GMT

Paul Moloney (pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie) wrote:
> My theory is that Dave Yadalee is Henry Root. Expect "Root Letters II - the
> Usenet Idiots" out soon.
> 
Unlikely, I think.  Root's signature was "Here's a pound!".  Our friend
Obelix isn't nearly so free with money.  Besides Root was more 
interesting (which isn't saying much).

How about the theory that L. Godfrey is really H. Rochester Sneath, Esq?

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:21:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Oct15.152742.594@cs.tcd.ie> riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan) writes:

   In article <1992Oct15.141311.2320@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
   >
   >Well, there is no divorce or abortion in the Republic of
   >Ireland, people have the Gaelic language forced down their
   >throat at school, there is no honour paid to Mrs. Elizabeth
   >Windsor, etc, etc. Little things, maybe, but they are what
   >culture is all about.
   >
   There are also many differences which are in Ireland's favour
   which might have been mentioned in a more balanced posting.

Since the people of the Republic have voted in referendums not
to have abortion and divorce, they presumably regard their
absence as a point in the Republic's favour. The other two
points were both expressed in a rather facetious way, indicating
that the two countries look to different things for their
historical heritage. They surely balance each other out.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:01:40 GMT


In article <Bvs7KC.J8J@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v064myby@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta) writes...
>In article <DBROOKS.92Oct7144647@penge.osf.org>, dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes...
>> 
>>chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789") writes:
>>> Now; try these ;=) Worcester, Gloucester, Leicester, Leominster, 
>>> Towcester, Vale of Belvoir, Uttoxeter, Beaulieu...
>> 
>>I recognize these!  Most of them are towns in Massachusetts.
>> 
>>Don't forget Reading.
>> 
Yeah, don't forget Reading :-)  , pronounced "Redding"
And Berkshire, pronounced "Barkshire"
and England, pronounced "Ingland"

Craig Cockburn, surname pronounced 'Coburn'

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor)
Subject: Re:  World News in the US
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:49:09 GMT

In article <BvuDx9.3q3@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.005405.4587@morrow.stanford.edu> mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop) writes:
>>
>>I too like the VNS but must plead for more world news, as i) I like 
>>the UK style of world news coverage and ii) I can get world news from
>>local US media???!!!! Sadly no I can't.
>>
>Well, you can get the BBC World Service on FM if you tune to KQED (88.5) or
>KALW (my preference) at 91.7. If you a Stanford chappie and live locally, that
>is. This covers (i) and (ii), seems to me.
>
>tin.

Personally I find KALW much better for international news than
KQED. KALW includes  Canadian , BBC, Native American, European, and Indian
programming.

The radio station is partially funded by the San Francisco School
District. However there has been a cash crunch in the schools
district and I am not sure how this has affected the radio station.

Are there other US radio stations out there that carry world news ?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Does being Tory mean you're Thick
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:35:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
>It is also the case that schoolteachers for some strange reason are on
>average more left wing than the country as a whole. This is a problem
>for the Tory party, who do not wish to be paying the salaries of
>people who might be teaching little children to vote them out.

This is a fairly recent phenomenon. Go back a few years and the
political opinions of schoolteachers are roughly proportional
to the country as a whole. Part of the reason is that the link
between the left as statists and the right as anti-statists has
grown, thus it has become more in the interest of teachers as
(local) state employees to vote for the statist party.

Another reason is that teachers' salaries have declined so much
in recent years that few would become a teacher unless they had
a definite aversion to the sort of job that pays better. An
intelligent person who objects to being part of the capitalist
business world might become a teacher, anyone else, unless they
had a really strong desire to be a teacher would go for a job
in industry as it pays so much more. A few years ago teachers'
salaries were not so low compared to other people's so teaching
was not a career choice that the right-wing inclined would
automatically rule out.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: low class
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:30:00 GMT

In article <92284.171833U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>                    writes...
>OPTIONS: ACK    LOG    LONG     NOTEBOOK ALL
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Date: 10 October 1992 16:58:50 CDT
>From: <U25256@UICVM>
>To:          godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
>In-Reply-To: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:07:00 GMT
>Subject:     Re: Re: low class
> 
>Now you're talking shit about the U.S. If money does not classify classes
>in Brit. then what does. From what I understand, 1) England is another
>Beirut (what causing it??????). 2) And if there's no corruption or bribe
>in England then you should go see this movie about YOUR Royal family
>which was aired on CBS or NBC, just a couple weeks ago. And you probably
>won't be able to see this movie in your country (and I wonder why??)
> 
>> In article <LEVIS.92Oct5085505@mohr.iesd.auc.dk>, levis@iesd.auc.dk (Tommy Lar
>>>In article <1OCT199216562454@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE
>>>
>>>>>    Money is not a mean for judging everything.
>>>
>>>>   In England too, low class has nothing to do with money, and has to do wit
>>>>   what the English like to call "breeding".  It is only in the US that clas
>>>>   and money are interchangeable words.
>>>
>>>>   Laurence
>>>
>>>From how I understand the word breeding, Prince Charles' Diana isn't
>>>upper class, but still she is royal.  Can this be so, or did I
>>>misunderstand you.  If I didn't, then I'd say that in England too,
>>>money is a measure of class.
>>>
>>>- Tommy
>>>--
>>>
>>>          /\__         /\__\__\__\  /\__   /\__  /\__  /\__\__\__\
>>>            \__          \__     /    \__    \__   \__   \__     /
>>>             \__          \__\__\      \__    \__   \__   \__\__\__
>>>              \__          \__  /       \__    \__   \__  /     /\__
>>>               \__\__\__\   \__\__\__\  /  \__\__     \__  /\__\__\__
>>>               /        /   /        /     /    /     / /   /       /
>>>
>>>                  Tommy Larsen, Sonjavej 58, 9000 Aalborg, Denmark.
>>>
>>>                                 levis@iesd.auc.dk
>>
>> I'm afraid you do misunderstand.  Firstly, Diana most certainly is upper
>> class, having come from a family of aristocrats.  Secondly, while
>> explaining the traditional English concept of class, I didn't mean
>> to imply that I sanctioned that kind of snobishness.  Class in England
>> does not have to do with money, as I said it has to do with breeding, and
>> breeding depends on things like where you went to school, where your father
>> went to school, the important people you and he went to school with etc.
>> Certainly having money helps, but it is not a requirement
>>
>> L
>>

can anyone be bothered to deal with this poster.  I've had enough of him.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: me@laurence.com
Subject: Re: Name of the Royal family ?
Organization: The one and only .com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:31:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.230040.12498@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:
|> A friend of mine asked me about the name of the royal family
|> of the UK but I could not remember it. Is it 'Windsor' ? 
|> Please reply by email as I do not read this group. 
|> Thanks a lot folks.
|> 
|> Nabil

Why is it Laurence is never around when you need him most?
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Bloody War in Ireland.
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:20:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
>Without any personal opinions, -- Just the facts -- or in-depth
>analysis, what *is* all the fighting about?
>
>Is it a Religious Apartheid?

No. "Apartheid" refers to a situation where people are legally
classified according to race, and there are differing legal
rights according to which classification you fall under.
Catholics and Protestants have exactly the same legal rights in
Northern Ireland.

The problem arose because Ireland is largely Catholic, but
there is a population of Protestants concentrated in the
north-east corner, descended from settlers who were bought
there as a deliberate policy of colonisation in the 17th
century.

When Ireland was given independence, these people fought
against it, fearing domination by the Catholics. As a
compromise Ireland was divided into two parts. The larger part
was given independence as the Republic of Ireland. The smaller
part remained part of the UK as the province of Northern
Ireland.

The problem is that a significant number of Catholics remained
north of the border. Indeed, as the figures other people have
given in other messages, the populations are all mixed up and
it is not possible to draw lines which separate Catholic areas
from Protestant areas. These Catholics resented not being part
of the Republic. Furthermore, the local administration in
Northern Ireland being controlled by the Protestant majority,
governed in a very unjust and discriminatory way.

A minority of the Catholic population supported organisations
which used terrorism to campaign for an end to the situation
where Northern Ireland remained part of the UK. In reaction to
this, terrorist groups defending the status quo grew up among
the Protestants.

The British Army was brought in to try and keep the peace, and
the discriminatory local government abolished with Northern
Ireland being ruled directly by the UK government. This was not
altogether satisfactory for the Catholics since their protest
was about being part of the UK. But the Protestants also object
about no longer being able to run their own affairs. Terrorism
from both sides continues, with the IRA (the group which wants
Northern Ireland to be taken from the UK and made one with the
rest of Ireland) occasionally extending their terrorism to the
mainland of the UK.

Matthew Huntbach
From: chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org (Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Driving in UK.
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:35:13 GMT
Organization: Twin Cities Metro Area Network, Minneapolis, MN

Last time I went (two years ago), Hurts (sic) rent-a-car chose to use the
details of my Minnesotan license rather than my valid British license.

There's a thing...

Chris
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: translating email address
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:02:47 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct8.151414.23664@rcvie.co.at> es_lewis@rcvie.co.at (Stephen Lewis) writes:
>Hi, can anyone help me with deciphering a UK email address.  A friend of mine
>is supposedly connected to the internet, but I cannot manage to send him
>email from here.
>
>his address is:
>"cbs%uk.ac.univ.computer::moore_jj at janet"
>
>Anyone got any ideas?  Does this machine even exist?

If the address actually literally refered to uk.ac.univ.computer, then
no, that machine is not registered in the uk.ac domain.  If, on the
other hand, you've stylised it to try to make the question look
general, then in doing so you've removed some essential info.

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From: gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:50:06 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

LAURENCE GODFREY writes:

> A bit patronising, isn't it?  Would that it were true - I'm 39 and very
> nearly over the hill.

  You seem to be confusing the vertical and horizontal in your metaphorical
space Godfrey.  You're not over the hill, you're round the bend.


Struan