HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Wanted: Demonstration ideas
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:29:23 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240) writes:

> I mean who wants to be just "another terrorist"?  A peaceful march

Maybe I was unclear enough that people read too much violence in my
vehemence.

By no means would any group here want to take violent measures.  That
clearly gains no sympathy.  Nor would (I hope) people want to resort to
cheap gags like clothing beautiful women in only Scottish flags (like
the GoGo's did with American flags).

Yet clearly attention needs to be drawn in some creative, productive
way.  So let me emphasize "creative", "productive" and "non-violent".

Clear now?  I think tea-dumping is a brilliant example.  What would
that be now?   MP's?  ;-)

-- mn
From: masgn@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Godfrey Nolan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Most expensive fare from London to Dublin at Christmas?
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:41:08 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK


Does anyone know the cheapest way from London to Dublin and back again.
I'm leaving on 23rd December and returning on 3rd January.

So far I've found that all the cheap plane tickets have gone (if there
were any). The cheapest I could find is #128. Slatterys aren't doing 
the #20 return fare over Christmas and who can blame them (its now #74).  
I've no idea about Eurolines or National Express as they hadn't 
published their fares for Christmas yet.

Anybody any better ideas? Does anyone want to share their car with
two mass murderers (I mean people) and share ferry/petrol costs?


Godfrey Nolan 
masgn@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: ulick@schubert.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Referenda : Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:19:02 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <19728.2ad88d04@ul.ie> relihanl@ul.ie (Liam Relihan - CSIS Dept. - UL) writes:
>
>Must have been trying to gain some cred with the local music crowd.
>Fine Fail politicians usually have underhand reasons for their actions.
>I don't think he paid her a lot of attention judging by his party's
>almost cowardly efforts as regards the upcomming referendum.  

Is it true that there are to be 3 seperate questions?  Have the texts been set
yet, and if so what are they?  When is polling day?  How much will the 
exercise waste?  Who really wants it? etc.  etc.  


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From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Non SCC topics AND finally a SCC topic! *smile*
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:36:12 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I have addressed the questions from Mr. Walker and Mr. Dunn to 
them in private email, because we were asked some time ago to 
limit our conversations here to that of SCC.  I am attempting
to do that out of common courtesy, which I KNOW exists ouside the
South.  *smile*

You can bet your boots babydoll, that I am not afraid of mere
words sent through the medium of Electronic communication.
*smile*

Have a wonderful weekend!  * S M I L E *

Suzanne

Now on to something that IS topic related! *smile*

A few weeks ago, they held what they called the third annual 
Highlands and Islands Scottish Games and Festival, on the Mississippi
Gulf Coast.  It was an all day affair and they had soem entertainment
I wondered if any of you had heard of.  They had Carl Peterson, a 
singer/storyteller musician.  He performed traditional songs of 
Scotland, as well as some folk and American music with Scottish
and Irish influences.  They also had celtic music groups Gramarye
and Smithfield Fair.  Other events included Scottish sporting events 
and dancing; Paso Fino horse show (what IS this?); avenue of the 
clans; parade of the tartans; children's events; and demonstrations
of thread-making and sheep herding.

I wish that they had publicized it a little bit more ahead of time.
I found out about it the day before and already had plans
for the weekend.  I will be sure to go next year though.
It sounded like a lot of fun.

I was very interested in the horse show....anyone shed any light on
what a Paso Fino horse show is?  *smile*

I plan on trying to get the contact person to try to find out
who exactly plans this every year and see what information I 
can dig up.  Will post if there is interest.

Have a good one!

Suzanne

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Scottish Newsgroup
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.205636.12854@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct8.174256.4410@netcom.com|, eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes...
|| 
||Indeed ... there are rashers, sausages and salmon vacuum-packs for sale at
||the Shannon and Dublin duty-free shops, for instance.  I've brought back
||Irish bacon to the States with no problems.
|| 
||I think that US Customs has a specific problem with haggis, though, from
||what I've heard.
|| 
|
|It isn't meat that's the problem, it's haggis. It is haggis which has
|been deemed unfit for human consumption and it is haggis which as been
|banned. Other meat is less restricted.

I dunno. I've had meat products confiscated at Customs. Mostly dry 
beef and chicken curries and such. British customs supposedly don't 
have this same restriction - such things can be brought into Britain 
without any problems. 
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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:27:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
In article <1992Oct8.075858.26318@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>   From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
>   > I'm tring to understand present day Celtica.  I would think Sinead
>   >O'Connor's actions would have been applauded by some.  After all,
>   >Catholics stole our religion, destroyed our way of life, and
>   >exicuted tens of thousands in order to spread their way.  Why let them
>   >continue taking our morals from us?
>
>   Oh, come on, the conversion of Ireland from paganism was
>   remarkably peaceful. St Patrick, St Columba et al were not
>   warriors. Irish culture and catholicism are intimately linked,
>   not at oppostion to each other.
>
>I thought Ireland was converted into the Celtic church, not the Roman
>Catholic one.  It only became Catholic afterwards when travel between Rome
>and Ireland became much easier, and emissaries arrived from Rome...?

There was no such thing as "the Celtic Church" in the sense of
a church formally set up in opposition to the rest of European
Christianity. Although the Anglo-Saxon invasions of Britain
left the Irish Church with few links with Europe, they
certainly did not regard themselves as anything separate from
universal Christianity.

>I'd guess that Sinead's anti-Catholic protest was more about the Irish ban on
>abortion and divorce and the Pope's anti-gay statements than about the
>conversion of Ireland to Christianity

Mr.Marquie describes himself as a "Wiccan", which he seems to
think for some reason has something to do with the
pre-Christian religion of Ireland. Furthermore, he is under the
impression that this religion was ended involuntarily by means
of terror. On both of these he is wrong. I am not sure what he
means by "present day Celtica", but if he supposes Ireland is
full of RC-hating practicing pagans, I think he is wrong.

I rather think that the argument that pre-Christian Ireland had
abortion clinics on every corner, feminist awareness weekends,
save the whales rallies, and anything else that is politically
correct, is a bit silly. I don't think "the Celtic Church"
inasmuch as such a thing could ever be said to have existed
could really be held up as a model of 20th century political
correctness.

As for the general issue, there are arguments against abortion
and divorce which were accepted in referendums on the subjects
in the Republic of Ireland. It would be wrong to suppose that
the only reason against them is that "the pope says so",
although British anti-Catholicism and anti_Irishness would like
to think the Irish are all puppets of His Holiness.

Matthew Huntbach
From: alanb@eire.Corp.Sun.COM (Alan Butler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: World Cup - RESULTS!!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: alanb@eire.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eire.corp.sun.com






I heard (via the phone to Ireland) the following results:


- Alan.


	Away:				Home:
	---------------------------------------------------

	Rep. of Ireland	0		Denmark   	0	UP IRELAND :)!!!!!

	Spain		0		N. Ireland 	0

	Norway 	   	1		England	  	1	
 
	Portugal	0		Scotland  	0
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Glib remark, probably worth a miss (Was :it's not our fault)
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Oct14.133752.949@infotec.ch> andy@infotec.ch (Andrew Warinner) writes:
>
>Look on the bright side.  If there wasn't as much violence
>in the U.S., we wouldn't produce those police TV shows and
>films that you Europeans love so much.  How many cars chases
>and shoot-outs have you seen on "Inspector Morse"? :-)
>

This is probably because Inspector Morse's Jag is rumoured to
be so knackered that they just roll it downhill when it has
to "drive" into the shot.


M



--
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: dunn@CAM.ORG (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scottish Newsgroup
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:58:23 GMT
Organization: A cam follower

In ref'd article, ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>In ref'darticle ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>>Unfortunately neither the US nor Canadian Customs allow _any_ meat products
>>>to be imported privately.  Foot 'n mouth, Mad English Disease, things like
>>>that you know.
>
>I have never had a problem.  When I come back I always fill in the yes to
>have you been on a farm or are you bringing back any meat, etc.  I hand to
>the customs guy and walk straight through.  What`s the problem?

I can't explain how you've managed to get away with it, but it's a
fact that meat should be stopped at customs.

Perhaps it's the twenty dollar bill you clip to the form?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: sherwood@ug.cs.dal.ca (Alison R. Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Celtic Dance questions
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: dal
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:36:40 GMT

In <1992Oct8.080739.17380@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes:

>We have a group that gets together for set dancing on Wednesday nights
>here in Manhattan at Flannery's pub, on 14th St and 7th Ave., from
>~8:30 to 12:30.  Also, most of the weekend ceilis that I mentioned
>above involve roughly half set dances and half ceili dances.

>Oh well, that must be more than enough for now.  Does anyone else out there
>dance?

      In response: I belong to a group in Halifax, Nova Scotia, that meets 
every Monday evening. Our instructor/leader left for Ireland to do her 
Masters a couple of weeks ago, so our format has been changed somewhat. 
Generally the classes are very informal; we meet at a local recreation 
building for an hour and charge $1.50 a person to cover rent. Classes start 
off with some footwork instruction, then we move on to the dances. Every week 
we alternate between ceili and set dances so we get a flavour for them both. 
Lately we've been working on the Mazurka, the Plain Set, the Highcauld Cap, 
and a variety of easy dances such as the Seige of Ennis and the Walls of 
Limerick. Generally we get a wide assortment of new people every week along 
with maybe seven "regulars". Every second week the Irish Association "An 
Cumann" meets nearby, where many of the same people can be found. About four 
times a year they hold large ceilis in a church hall.

      Last August a group of our dancers went down to a place called Beach 
Meadows in Nova Scotia where we met up with a group of Irish dancers from 
Baltimore. A ceili and dance session was held in their church hall, and both 
groups exchanged some of the dances they had learned. 

      I'll keep the question going: does anyone else out there dance?


--

Alison Sherwood
sherwood@ug.cs.dal.ca
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 19:42:21 MST
From: Dan Wilson <ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Ugly Americans-It's not our fault
 <1992Oct15.144703.16585@news.clarkson.edu>

Ummm... shouldn't that be the "Ascent of Man" rather than "Accent of Man?"
And while I'm at it, someone posted a comment from a book that former
VP Spiro Agnew was descended from Scots Borders. I hope the book was not
implying he was descended from the Norman/Scots AGNEWS, be cause he was
not, as I recall. I seem to remember that his family name was of Greek origin
- Agnouopolis (sp?) or something like that - and it was changed along the
way to Agnew. Any experts out there have the hard facts?
From: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Ugly Americans-It's not our fault
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Organization: Michigan State University

The sentence should have rread: "they are herding cultures, and
herding cultures &c.... "    something to do with having to be ready to defend
their flocks with violence at any given money.

sorry for the bad typing, but a buggy mail program doesn't help either.
From: aidan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Aidan Thompson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Sinead, Travolta, the Rats and the Pope
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:18:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

My God, you people go on at an awful rate. I didn't see Sinead's performance
as I think Chris Evert-whatever was right when she said that SNL, like profess-
ional tennis, peaked in the mid seventies. But I got a kick out of hearing
the story, as I imagine Sinead was not really bashing the pope, but was 
reliving a fond moment from our collective youth. I refer of course to the
sight of the Boom Town Rats ripping up posters of John Travolta on Top of the
Pops, after bumping him (and Olivia Newton John) off the No. 1 spot. Who knows,
perhaps she thinks that she has, in a similar manner, ousted His Holiness from
the No.1 spot on the charts of divine infallibity.

P.S. Can anyone tell me a simple strategy for 'reading' 99% of the posts
in this group without actually having to read them, if you get my drift.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:27:34 GMT

 tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen) writes:
>jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan) writes:
>
>>My only reaction to the actions of Sinead O'Connor in the above mentioned
>>incident and her recent performance on Sat. night live is -  
>>Who the f*** does she think she is ?
>
>Who would decide what's constructive and what's not? In my opinion IT would 
>be constructive if only a person's opinions were critiziced, not the person 
>him/herself. Disagree with her if you want, but attacking her person doesn't 
>make your opinions any more convincing, on the contrary.
>
	The only flaw in this argument is that, in shredding a picture
of the Pope up on live television, Sinead committed exactly the same sin/
faux pas that you've chastising John Keegan for. Her attack was not exactly
fraught with honorable, logical discussion of the issue she purported to
address.
	This sort of grandstanding by a leftist-chic radical is
injurious to the Pro-choice cause in this country. She is exactly the
sort of person whom the pro-lifers most like to see 'supporting' the 
other side -- given that the more offensive the other side appears to the
average American, the better it is for the pro-lifers. 
	Any argument that she was merely protesting current conditions in
her own country through the US media is frankly, too weak to respect, given 
that her stunt made little impact back in Europe. Her only impact was here,
in the US, and it was overwhelmingly negative. 

	That said, I believe that the very indignant reaction of the 
American broadcasting media elite to her little action is largely a product
	1) of their need to distance themselves from their own arrogant,
overplayed reaction to Dan Quayle's Murphy Brown attack, and
	2) of their extreme rage over the fact that she pulled a fast one
on them.

	Number 2 is the more important of the issues cited above, 
believe me. I grew up a stone's throw from Larchmont, NY, the tony
suburb where many members of the New York broadcasting establishment
live. In my experience they are among the most arrogant control-freaks 
who've ever walked the earth. She didn't brief the cast of SNL or the
executive producer, Lorne Michaels, on what she'd planned to do. If she
suffers at all for it, that will be why. They'll cover themselves with
talk of her offense against the average, middle-class Catholic American,
but her real offense in their minds was against them, and that's the
offense she'll pay for.
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|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:37:58 GMT

From article <Bw4L7u.7Gv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)):
> I've just stumbled upon this newsgroup and was wondering if one of
> you-netters here could help me out.  
> 
> For the last few weeks I've been trying to find the Scottish or
> Celtic word for "Legend".  I've been a long time enthusist of
> Old English writings and ballads and I've been looking for a few
> good "Old English" words to complete a poem I've been writing (for my
> ENG305) class.  
> 
> So if anyone can help me out, Please either post or mail me
> the spelling for the word "legend".  Thank you in advance!
> 
> 
> ---------------
> Marla Belzowski  (OK OK, I know it' Polish, bu my grandma's maiden name
> was Elliott -- Honestly!)   
> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> 
I think you might be looking for an old, possiblely, Saxon word for
Legend. Wouldn't this be more appropriate, it would be an oxymoron to
talk about a Old English Celtic word.

I know I am being pedantic again (but I am SURE Matthew will agree with
me on at least this point). 

														GW
From: Michael G Hines <HINESMG@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Organization: Purdue University
 <92289.085148RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:23:06 GMT

How does your discussion of the Bible not being taken literally
balance with II Timothy 3:16 & 17?  I'm unsure how you would
explain away the fact that the Bible is "thouroughly equiped . . ."
with your statements that the Bible is not to be taken literally?

Mike
hinesmg@purccvm.cc.purdue.edu

P.S.  I'm unsure why your religious beliefs and mine belong in
this discussion on celtic culture :)  I joined this group to
listen and discuss celtic culture for some serious fun :) :) :)
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic Holidays
Keywords: Celtic, holidays
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:06:45 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.171458.1092@news.nd.edu> ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

>>The June Bankholiday.  First holiday weekend of the summer - the first
>>Monday of June.  It is a 'fixed' Whitsun.

>What _is_ a "Whitsun" and what the heck is a "Bank" holiday?

A Bank holiday is just that, the banks are shut and ye cannae get yer money
oot.

Mind you, if you've a Cashline card you can never get yer money oot as the
machines more often than not broken or empty. RBOS has a *lot* of bank
holidays :-)


Dave


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From: andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: The Ash Fire (Dublin Theatre Festival)
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:27:33 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

The Ash Fire is a play by Gavin Kostick which is on in the Dublin
theatre festival. Has anyone seen it, or seen any reviews in the
papers?

Thanks

-Andrew


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Andrew Sherman (andys@ingres.com) 
Ingres, an ASK company, 1080 Marina Village Parkway, Alameda, California 94501
From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:28:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


  Andy,  
	The Mother-Godess.   That would be Diana....(if you care to read about 
it)  Next, addressing the reference to a single male.....not a chance....
from this pagan....
	(Sorry, I see that I neglected to add male god....)  There are too many
facets of this exhistance for one supreme deity of which to be responsible
	I have no intention changing my beliefs now.........period..
	I wont dwell on this topic with anyone else.
	Think of something other than that in which to discuss.
merry meet,and merry part,
			steve