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From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Subject: Re: Ear lobe reading (was palm reading)
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:45:22 GMT

In article <1210@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>In article <92276.093517U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>, U58402@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

[palm reading read]
>
>Has anyone ever heard of ear lobe reading?  A friend of mine's father

[ear lobes dangling]

>I do not believe the stuff in the
>slightest degree but I hope they are right.  I am waiting ...
>
you won't forget us, will you?  :-) 

as for reading body parts, my parents can read a person's personality
from the lines in their thumbs.  or something like that.  ;-)

so, before i get married or involved, i have to show them my
significant other's thumbs.

laly thao

"i looked at my toe and knew then that my future was dim"

-- 

thao@cse.uta.edu        |     "There are no balls!!" 
b645zay@utarlg.uta.edu	|               -Goku from Dragon Ball 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: AIDS, China, and America (was Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech)
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:37:32 GMT

In article <MDAY.92Sep24101039@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>, mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>   yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>
>   >mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>   >   yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>   >   Actually that is a new policy after the Chinese authority found that
>   >   many American tourists (some of them are American Chinese) spread sexual 
>   >   transmited disease such as AIDS in China, (some of them even intentionally 
>   >   did that). 
>
>   >This is becoming a standard lie, as far as I can tell: "some people
>   >with AIDS deliberately transmit the disease."  I think you should
>   >probably be suspicious of claims like this, because they are usually
>   >put forward by people who are trying to construct an implausible
>   >theory for how AIDS became widespread in their population.
>
>   I heard of at least one American AIDS patient was caught in China, 
>   he admitted that he had slept with as many as 18 women in less that 40 days.
>
>So sleeping with 18 women in less than 40 days is "deliberately
>transmitting the disease?"  I think you lead a sheltered life.  It's
>not my lifestyle, but I know people for whom that would be plausible.
>And what do you mean by an "AIDS patient"?  Someone with the
>full-blown symptoms of AIDS who decided to get on a plane, go to
>China, and have sex with as many women as possible?  Give me a break.
>Unless you can provide better evidence than "I heard of...", I'm just
>not going to believe this.
>
>   Surely the Chinese should also be partially responsibe for AIDS' importation,
>   but they can not import the virus from nowhere.
>   That's also  why we need disciplinary people on the airline.
>
>Eh?  Disciplinary people on the airline?  What does this mean?  
>
>--Mark Day
>
>mday@lcs.mit.edu
>
>p.s. I can see no relevance of this thread to soc.culture.asean or
>soc.culture.korean, so I've set followups to
>soc.culture.asian.american.  It's not terribly relevant there, but
>arguably it has to do with travel between America and China.  I can't
>figure out a better place to put it.

But at least China allow people with AIDS entering her country, what 
about USA? International AIDS conference? Have you heard that the 
conference had to be hold in another place because some people are not 
allowed to come the USA ?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Clarification (was Re: Glass ceiling)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:00:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.152603.12442@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>>jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) asks:
>>When we filled out the census, we indicated that Kiri (who is "happa", as you
>>folks who've met her and my husband know) was Asian AND Caucasian (i.e., we
>>checked BOTH boxes for her).  I guess they'll just have to figure it out
>>since I indicated I am of Asian descent and my husband is Caucasian
>>(European).

Just to clarify, since the way this got quoted was confusing, I didn't write
the above passage.  Joanne did.  I mean, yes, Kiri is adorable and I'd love to
have a child as sweet as she, but I could probably do without the Caucasian
husband.  :-) :-)

>>Another thing.  Are Asian Indian-Americans classified as "Asian" in those
>>Census reports?  My guess is "no," but I don't know, and I don't make up the
>>silly rules, either.
>
>   Actually, the answer is "yes."

Thanks.  To both you and Arthur for pointing that out.

Jim

p.s. My VCR will be taping the _Montel Williams_ show today, so if Hoyt lets
     loose with some controversial quotes, you guys will be informed.  You're
     welcome.  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: "ABC" and Generation 3
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:04:12 GMT

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Sep24212455@cthulhu.ces.cwru.edu> yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.134959.21410@m.cs.uiuc.edu> wong@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Angeline) writes:
>
>>Each time I go to Hong Kong, and esp. China, I feel myself turning more 
>>Chinese, and it is not an unpleasant feeling.  But this transition in me 
>>makes me question other ABAs (American Born Asians), and especially ABCs, 
>>since I relate more.
>
>This is a side point, but I'm curious whether any Chinese-Americans
>are bothered by the ABC label.  Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but
>"American-born Chinese" seems to imply that a person is Chinese first,
>and just happens to have been born in the U.S.  Is this a correct
>interpretation of the term's connotations, and if so, does it bother
>you?

	I admit I find the term mildly annoying, for precisely those
	semantic reasons.  On the other hand, I don't really fault
	people for using it, since it's so widespread.  Generally,
	I perceive "ABC" to be used much more frequently by those
	who are not conscious of Asian-American issues, whereas
	terms like "Chinese American" are used by those who are.

>
	[Stuff about third generation and Japanese Americans deleted.]
>
>This isn't meant to be a flame, but I always wonder why people
>consider it strange that third-generation AAs are American (rather
>than Asian) in culture.  In contrast, I've never heard anyone express
>surprise that third-generation Polish-Americans, German-Americans, or
>Irish-Americans have been "assimilated" into American culture...

	I'd say it's because people have accepted the racist presumption
	that "American==White".
>--
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
>yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>

						--Alan Hu
From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:24:20 GMT
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	<1992Sep29.172242.22521@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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In article <1992Sep29.172242.22521@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>>  When is the Montel Williams Show and what channel? (in the bay area)
>>  I've never heard of it...

>   Try Channel 44 at 11:30 pm.
>   The Montel Williams Show is just 1 of several brainless talk
>   shows:

Brainless, huh?  Must be one of your favorites.  I mean, you *were*
pretty quick on the draw with the bat-time and bat-channel for the
show. Heh heh.

>   Speaking of Mr. Sze, I suspect that he is a Chinese-cu demagogue.

As opposed to a Chinese-geewhiz, Western-koo-wannabee demagogue? 

>   One of the better ways to respond to his "intellectual" columns
>   is to write one calling for marrages between Western-cu men and
>   Chinese-cu women from China.  This should sufficiently infuriate him
>   to let him know that "we" are "on to him".

Who's this "we" you're talking about bubba?  You haven't been taking
to using self-referential first-person plural have you?  Megalomania
on *top* of monomania, perhaps?    

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:07:39 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Oct1.174834.90245@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> , phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
writes:
>
>Dwight, this is not good enough.  Since your view is obviously the MINORITY
>view on this network (obvious from the few who support you) then THE ONUS
>is on YOU to come up with verifiable proof for the rest of us (the
>majority) to examine.  
>

Careful, this statement could easily be extrapolated to other situations in
which you are the minority.

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From: sdy@bcstec.boeing.com (Ugly Bag of Mostly Water)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:00:43 GMT
	<92277.223633ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct5.165954.7217@u.washington.edu>
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Organization: Ringworld
In-reply-to: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 16:59:54 GMT

>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 16:59:54 GMT, gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) said:
> B). People who have the ``inferiority complex'' about their own race and just
> want to marry into the mainstream.

	RTang> 	Normally, I have a hard time accepting that this sentiment
	RTang> still exists in these "enlightened" times, but given the
	RTang> frequency of the term "Asian American men are scum" that I
	RTang> overhear from Asian females, I'm not so sure nowadays.....
Hey Roger, you forgot the '=)', besides I think the term was "pigs" not "scum"

	RTang> Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
	RTang> Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
and what ever happened to the rest of the .sig?

steve.

--
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               You couldn't pay me enough, but go ahead and try
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racist Webster's New World Encyclopedia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:44:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

... of course it's silly to believe that Asians have just as many famous
people as blacks in America ...

That was my point. My real point is for all the blacks who complain that
US History is mostly white is to see that no ethnic group can simply
claim x% of US history simply because of their race. There are a bunch
more famous white folks in that book than black folks because that's what
got into US history, and maybe white folks were actually more important,
just as Frederick Douglas and Malcolm X are probably more famous than any
Asian American political figure. Inoeye and Hayakawa were mentioned because
they are probably the two best known Asian politicians to the mainstream
today, and they don't rank a listing. If racial fairness were the over-riding
goal, then 3% of all categories would have to be reserved for Asian Americans

On the other hand, a lot of complaint letters might get at least a few more
Asian Americans into the book simply because they didn't think that it was
worth mentioning the top 1 or 2 Asian-Am politicans or writers. Crispus
Attucks is famous ONLY because he was black, not because what he did was
outstanding (died in the Boston Massacre, but he's the only one whose name
anybody remembers, yet he's held as high as George Washington in some
circles and Jesse Jackson)

Maybe a better question is how to we balance the goals of includ
sion, but not demand parity for everything?  There are probably no
lesbian Native American playwrites listed, for example.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:55:27 GMT


mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
: 
: You have to consider what proportion of a population seriously
: considers professional sports as a viable economic possibility before
: you start getting carried away with genetic ideas.  In today's
: America, a white basketball player has to be REALLY REALLY REALLY good
: (or from Indiana :-)) to convince himself and others that he'd be
: better off trying to play pro basketball than getting some more normal
: job.  With fewer job opportunities and generally lower wages at those
: jobs, a black basketball player at the same skill level has much less
: trouble convincing himself and others that he should go for pro sports
: as a career.

I think you are wrong.  The prospect of playing professional sports is
almost every boy's dream.  If you were to ask a group of boys what they
wanted to be when they grew up, I'll bet almost half would say football
player.  The reason there are  more blacks in the NBA is because they are
the best players, not because whites chose not play.  

Stanfor track coach Brooks Johnson said,"I'm going to find a white
Carl Lewis.  They're all over the place."  Sports columnist Scott
Ostler in the Los Angeles Times:"Dear Brooks--Pack a lunch.  And
while you're out there searching, bring back a white Spud Webb,
a white Dominique Wilkins, a white O. J. Simpson, a white Jerry Rice,
a white Bo Jackson and a white Wilt Chamberlain.  This puts a whole
new perspective when one considers how many of today's great athletes
are black.  One would have to go back to the days when blacks were 
barred from playing professional sports to find any significant number
of white superstars.

: 
: This whole business of "racial differences" is vacuous, anyway: you
: can't do a scientific study of these questions because there is no
: scientific, objective definition of race such that two independent
: observers can always produce the same labelling of each member of a
: given group of humans.  "Race" is a social construct, and the notion
: of race changes as you move among different societies.  From a
: scientific view, all you can really say is that humans are a single
: species.
: 
: --Mark Day
: 
: mday@lcs.mit.edu

What you seem to be saying is that races do not actually exist.
Scientifically, racial categories do exist.  I believe scientists have
identified 12 distinct racial groups.  Race is a valuable tool in tracking
human history, migration patterns and genetic history.

It just seems to me that with my original post, I have ferretted out
people who are closeted racists.  The same type of people who, years
ago, would say to a successful black, "You're a credit to your race."
Now these closet racist attempt to hide themselves by denying any
differences between races.

Hyok Lee
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:18:26 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:

   m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Maria Muyot) writes:
   : In article <66955@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com wrote:
   : 
   : and according to my father, their family is part Spanish and French, 
   : and all sides are mixed with Malay. Does this make me less Asian than my
   : roommate who's parents are both from Shanghai? That's not fair, I was born
   : in Asia and I've lived there for 19 years, while he has lived all of his
   : life
   : in New Jersey! So I'm brown and I sunburn, does this mean that I am also
   : more likely to be less intelligent than he is???

   You've answered your question in your question.  If you have a heritage
   that has infusion of genes other than the Mongoloid race, then you
   are less Mongoloid than your roommate.  

Well, I see that you (Hyok Lee) are still on the net, although there
was a noticeable silence after I asked for some support of the
supposedly "scientific" theory of races. 

It sure looks to me as though you're determined to cling to this
notion of "race" despite having no evidence to support it.  Some
scientist.

You're even getting confused between race as a descriptive tool used
by anthropologists and genetic "race".  When anthropologists talk
about races, they're talking about broad categories of physical
features.  Since there's a lot of variation of individuals within
those ranges, it's easy to have a selected individual with a European
ancestor or two a couple of generations back who has more "Mongoloid"
traits than another selected individual with no European ancestors in
the same number of generations.  There are *NO* "Mongoloid genes"!
Again, if you can find me a single piece of legitimate evidence that
scientists currently believe otherwise, I'll reconsider.  But I doubt
that you can.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:43:18 GMT

In article <92277.223633ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> <ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>[lots and lots of stuff deleted]
>
>I know a Chinese guy --- let's call him Jim.
          ^^^^^^^
Hmm.  Perhaps the nationality is a bit off here.

>He is quite short, even among Chinese, about 5'4'' or 5'5''.

About right.

>But the length of his `manhood' is about 14.2cm (5.6'') and the diameter
>3.8cm (1.5'').

[blushing on this end]

>Jim also heard from his friends in California

Got plenty of 'em over there.

>that Asian/Oriental men are known to have `lasting' firepowers.  Once,
>during a 1-month vacation, Jim and his Chinese SO (now ex-SO) had `meals'
>every night (minus a few days for ``women's things'') --- a full-course
>`dinner', plus a `snack' a few hours later (majority of time), and definitely
>a `breakfast' (might turn out to be a `dinner', or be skipped for some
>events).  She might `ride' Jim or `be ridden' for 30 to 60 minutes
>during the `dinner' (``Who put that alarmclock at bedside?'' ;-) ).
>According to the ``Real Sex'' on Cinemax, American's average (assumed
>for white) is about 10 minutes.

Well...  :-) :-)  [more blushing]

Hmm, this is probably the second or third time this article has been posted
here, but for some strange reason... I never get tired of reading it!  :-) :-)

Jim (aw shucks!)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:14:55 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:

>   Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>   My son is officially one year old this month [....]
>   I can't wait until he's old enough to learn
>   conservatism.
>
>I can't wait until he turns into your nightmare of a bleeding-heart
>liberal.  Seriously, as one parent to another, watch out about trying
>to turn him into a little clone of yourself.  It'll do neither of you
>any good.
>
>I started to respond to the rest of your ravings, but then I decided
>I'd just work myself into a bad mood.

Ditto. Thanks for saying it so cogently.

-- richard

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 23:52:56 GMT

shchen@eos.ncsu.edu wrote:
: 
: No discussion of interracial relationships is ever complete without bringing up
: the fact that most of the CM involved in relationship with AAF are nerds, dorks, 
: geeks, and your typical Chuck Wagon types.  

This is really old. Admit it, you're just jealous. Admit that you lack proof for your
argument. Furthermore, you obviously have no respect for women, especially AA women.
You seem to questioning the taste of AA women who choose CM men over you. What
makes you so special? The fact that you have some Asian background? Get off your
high horse.

: They know they won't have a prayer with even the plainest looking CF.  
: So it comes down to AAF or party doll filled with warm water, which is 
: really the same thing when you think about it.

Again, this is really cheap. You appear to have a lot of anger towards AA women,
for whatever reasons ...  you should try counselling.


: Anytime you come across a CM/AAF couple, nine times out ten he'll be chewing on
: a Milk Bone dog biscuit.  But since people usually marry person of close physical
: proximity, does this mean most AAFs are also dog biscuit lovers?  You be the judge.


It's people like shchen that really make life more difficult for everyone these days.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but, I've said it before, THINK IT OVER.



Paul Ko.

   
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