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From: jcgoh@inline.Princeton.EDU (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Re: Ken Katkin Leaves Homestead
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:33:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.042128.8756@athena.mit.edu> ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)  
writes:

With all due respect to Ben and Sean, I really don't think this
is a matter of public discussion.  As a friend of Ken's and
someone who knows something about what really went on, I
say that it's no one's goddam business but Ken's.  Let it
suffice to say that Ken is no longer with Dutch East and
leave it at that.  If anyone wants to know more, don't ask
me or Ben or Sean, ask Ken yourself.  If he wants to tell
you, then he will.  Otherwise, shut the fuck up.  

- Justin
jcgoh@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
Subject: Sonic Youth Tour Dates Wanted
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:36:16 GMT
Organization: Hair Club For Men

I hear the Sonic Youth is coming to the Detroit area soon.  Does anyone have
SY tour dates?  Are they coming anywhere in southern Ohio, northern Kentucky, 
or eastern Indiana?

Thanks in advance,
--
Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
"Like the sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives."
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From: jsulliva@amstel.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:51:19 GMT
Reply-To: jsulliva@amstel.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA


 This debate reminds me of the final line in a _Spin_ article
 on how Nirvana made it big. The line is paraphrased below...

  If hip 12 year-olds are listening to Dinosaur Jr., what are
  hip 21 year-olds to listen to? 

 This was meant as a rhetorical question by it's author, but
 I think the answer they had in mind is Dinosaur Jr., ...
 and Sonic Youth and Nirvana and Rollins Band and any of the
 other "underground" bands that have come above ground.
 Or whatever YOU like, popular or not.

 Just one guy's opinion.


Jeff Sullivan | Computervision/Prime | jsulliva@cvbnet.Prime.COM
CADDS R&D     | Bedford, MA    01730 | sun!cvbnet!jsulliva
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From: mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi)
Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:21:30 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.215955.5250@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cc2j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Corrado  Caudek) writes:

>	I'm familiar with the "traditional" new wave of the 80's, but
>don't know much of the new bands appeared these last few years.  The
>music that I listen to the most is JD/NewOrder/Electronic, Nick Cave,
>Psychedelic Furs...
>
>	Do you have any recommendation for some new stuff that comes
>in this flavour?
>
>		-- Rado

Yeah, I've got a few suggestions.  Get _Strange_Free_World_ and _Death_of_
Cool_ by Kitchens of Distinction.  Get _World_Of_Sand_ by The Cakekitchen.
KOD is from London, and TheCakekitchen is from New Zealand, both are
great bands.  KOD has that _Psych_Furs_World_Outside_ sound and TC sounds
like they were influenced by the 70's Bowie/Eno/Cale etc. movement.  I
have the impression that they are "the Peter Murphy of New Zealand".

Marcel,
mlevi@rice.edu
From: IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Smiths releases
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:08:22 GMT

In article <BtAAKH.8s@acsu.buffalo.edu>, on 20 Aug 92 13:24:16 GMT,
wiatr-m@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marc Wiatrowski) writes:

>
>how does this sound:
>
>        "We hate it when..."  written for Johnny Marr    and
>        "Your the one for me, Fatty"  written for Robert Smith
>
>Any comments?
>
>marc
>

I don't think "We hate it..." was for Marr.  At first, I thought he
was referring to James (the band) becoming successful.  But I think he
is simply referring to himself...there are many who wanted nothing more
than seeing Morrissey fail miserably as a solo artist, which didn't
happen.  This song was written _during_ a VERY successful tour, which
was Morrissey's first tour for a looong time and even he didn't expect
that much enthusiasm from his fans.

Of course, the song could also be a general song about any Manchester
band...

As for "Fatty," why do you say it's about Robert Smith?  I have no idea
who that song could be about...supposedly, Oscar Wilde's nickname was
"Fatso," so it could be about him.  Also, there is one hard-to-understan
line in the song, "All over BATERSEA, there is some hope and some
despair."  Who lives in Batersea?

Now about "TOMMORROW":  I've been trying to think what that song could
be about.  I suppose it could be a sexual song, or that he will finally
fall in love "tommorrow."  However, I was thinking that the song could
possibly be about an avid fan who is preparing to see Morrissey
"tommorrow" in a concert, and this fan gets up on stage with Morrissey
("All of the pain in my arms...all of the pain in my legs...") and wants
Morrissey to put his arms around the fan and wants Morrissey to say
"I love you" even though the fan knows Moz can't possibly mean it.

Anyone else have any ideas?

-Hagop Janoyan
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: INDIE NET - Debate
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:11:39 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete
Keywords: indie net 

Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:

> "indie" should be defined as "independent of the Big Six (Sony, Warners,
> MCA, BMG, Capitol-EMI, Polygram) in the country of original issue." 
> (But hmm, Depeche Mode are on an indie label in the U.K., and we all
> know the real reason for starting this group is to not have to read DM/
> Cure/Smiths posts. We may have to think this out.) 

If you want to create someplace where people don't talk about bands you
don't want to talk about, you should probably make it a mailing list.
No matter how convoluted a set of rules you put in a newsgroup's charter,
people are going to post there based on what it's called in the name, and
any variation on the word "independent" in the name is going to leave it
wide open for discussion of all those (ewg!) pop bands you hate.  Hell,
PWL -- Kylie Minogue and Jason Donovan's label, for Christ's sake -- is
an indie.  Billy Ocean's on Jive, S'Express and Bomb The Bass on Rhythm
King . . .

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Deciding that the bounds of propriety had been broached once too
often, Scott called a quick halt to the coffee-pot puppet show.
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From: jerpseth@sd.cadence.com (James Jerpseth)
Subject: Toad the Wet Sprocket FAQ and mailing list info.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, San Diego Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:08:59 GMT

Since there seemd to be a good deal of traffic on this group about
the band Toad the Wet Sprocket, I thought I'd post the FAQ from
the Toad the Wet Sprocket Mailing list.


The following is the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) for the 
Toad the Wet Sprocket mailing list. You will recieve this FAQ
if your question/request/topic has already been covered in the 
mailing list. This should reduce the duplication of topic threads
that seem to plague music mailing lists.

#1 Touring Information
   Next Tour is supposed to Start in August 1992 
   (No Dates Available Yet)

#2 TV/Media Appearances
   None known about at this time (27 July 1992)

#3 DISCOGRAPHY -- as of 27 July 1992

  Released Albums
    Bread and Circus
    Pale
    Fear
     Live 5 (Free Give-away with some Fear albums)

  Singles
    "All I Want"/"All she said" released 6/92

  Videos
    "Hold her down"
    "All I Want"
    "Is it for me"

  Tapes from the Postcard Mailing List
    Rock and Roll Party, Vol I.
    Rock and Roll Party, Vol II.


#4 Toad Postcard Mailing List

   TOAD the Wet Sprocket
   P.O. BOX 1761
   Santa Monica, CA 90406-1761

#5 T Shirts -- 
   Toad still has T-Shirts avaiable through the office. We have three
   designs currently, the "Pale" shirt in white, with album design
   cover and band photos; the "fear album cover" shirt in white, with huge
   album cover art on the back; and the "fear armillary" shirt in white, 
   with song titles and band photos. All shirts are extra heavy 100%
   cotton, and avaialble in size XL only. Send check or money order
   made out to TOAD for $18.00 for one, or $30.00 for two, to:

      TOAD
      PO BOX 1761
      SANTA MONICA CA 90406-1761

James Jerpseth aka jerpseth@sd.cadence.com


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From: woj@romulus.rutgers.edu (l.l. cool bean)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Unrest "Teenage Suicide" on CD?
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:56:02 GMT
Organization: the wonderful world of muzak

houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>Hey - let's all start a Gerard Cosloy Hate Club! 

awww. sure gerald is an egoistic, slower-than-shit cynic. but at least he
does a good radio show...
-- 
woj
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From: vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Fini Tribe discography
Keywords: Finitribe
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:53:17 GMT

Valerie J. Ohm writes:
|> [Vidar compiled a Finitribe discography a while back, perhaps he can
|> repost it?]

I'll post a new version of the discography as soon as I get my hands on the 
new album. 

I need help with the 12" versions of Forever Green. It was supposed to be
three, but I think it's only two. If anyone out there in net-land has info on
any of the two or three 12", please post track listing and cat no to me. Thanx!

If anyone want the current version (up to Ace Love Deuce), just drop me a mail.

Bye,
Vidar
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From: pogo@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Gual)
Subject: Re: FREE TRIBE CONCERT B^) .....WAY COOL!!!!
Keywords: FREE FREE FREE
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:02:31 GMT

dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
>So folx around Boston, what did you think of the concert?

  really really really really cool.... 

>I thought that the Cliffs were pretty darn good.

  they sounded a lot like U2 to me, but in a good way.

> Of course, I really
>came to see Tribe, who were rocking at first; however, it was hard to 
>concentrate on the band when I had to watch my head to make sure that 
>some body surfing dude didn't land on my head :)

  i thought they were great all the way throught the show. the crowd
was really cool too. anyone who fell go picked up almost immediatly. i
didn't think the surfing was that bad, but some people did overdo it.
i liked it cause the crowd carried me around for like 2 1/2 to 3
minutes. 8)

>Nonetheless, a great 
>show, with Janet in that black outfit dancing her slo-motion dervishes.  
>I'm nearsighted, but from what I could see, she was a babe :)  Anyone
>out there recommend their album "Abort"?

    yes yes yes yes yes... its really good. get it...

pogo
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From: cris@leland.Stanford.EDU (Cristopher Myers Niell)
Subject: Re: FREE TRIBE CONCERT B^) .....WAY COOL!!!!
Keywords: FREE FREE FREE
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:52:37 GMT

In article <Bt3HxF.8ED@wpi.WPI.EDU> rmason@starbird.WPI.EDU (Robert Hutchins Mason) writes:
>Has anyone else noticed at Tribe shows, that Janet & Terri where the SAME
>clothes for every show? I'm serious, I've seen them about 4-5 times this year
>and every show, Terri had on that green velour dress, and Janet in the same
>black outfit...  Just a side note.
>-bob
>rmason@wpi.wpi.edu

Not always. I saw them on the sidestage at Lollapolooza, and Janet
had on a short black dress with black tights, and Terri was wearing
a tan dress.
 I saw Tribe at both Lolla and the Hatch Shell, and was wondering
if anyone had been able to bootleg either of them. The Hatch Shell
would have been perfect. In fact, I saw a few people with camcorders.
Too bad I didn't think ahead enough to bring a tape recorder.
   Those of you who don't live in Boston, check out Tribe. They
give Boston something to be known for other than the New Kids
on the Block!
				Cris

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From: dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer)
Subject: Finitribe Album?
Summary: Album Info Wanted
Keywords: Finitribe
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:50:06 GMT

Greetings

Can somebody tell me if the 'Tribe have a recent album (i.e one
that would include '101' and the new single).

Also any recommendations for pre-101 material, and an indication of the
type of sound they had at this time.

Mucho appreciato


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: att (Bob R)
Subject: Re: new Siouxsie Bat-thing
Organization: nnn
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:48:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.220815.22182@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.195001.16320@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> att (Bob R) writes:
> >I stopped listening to Siouxsie in 1984 after seeing them in Chicago, at the
> >Park West.  They only played for 45 minutes, and swore (not jokingly) at the
> >audience.  No encore, and the show was just awful.  But this CD has rekindled
> 
> Oh no, it wasn't their fault at all! I was there, quite near the
> front and the audience gave them one hell of a hard time from the
> moment they went on - jeering and cursing and so forth.

In article <77711@ut-emx.uucp>, alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu writes:
> I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees back in '86...
> ...
> All the members were alive and very animated and Siouxsie was quite  
> vocal and friendly. Budgie was, of course, fascinating to watch. Sound  
> quality was fantastic and the only apparent problem was with the stage  
> hands, who were berated several times by Siouxsie for some reason or  
> other. At one point her microphone went dead and she started yelling at  
> one of the stage hands to bring her another one and she threw hers at him  
> (it made a nice thunk when it hit the stage). Happily she didn't stay mad  
> but turned that energy into the slinky dominatrix "serve me NOW!" thing  
> that she does so well.

Thanks for the info.  I'm glad the nastiness isn't part of their act. :)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: skmurphy@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sean K. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Ken Katkin Leaves Homestead
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:29:42 GMT

Would you like to place some money on the post which claims that Katkin
"left" Homestead, ostensibly of his own free will?  He was FIRED, ladies
and gentlemen, FIRED.  Homestead will cease to exist after releasing 3
more LPs - Bodeco, Paul K. And The Weathermen, and Love Child.  FUCK 
DUTCH EAST INDIA.  Respond directly to me if you want more info.
Thanks.

Sean Murphy
skmurphy@phoenix.princeton.edu

She's dumb and you're dumb, and I'm....dumb.
				- My New Boyfriend
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Music stores around DC
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:48:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug22.225213.11918@athena.mit.edu> ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben) writes:
>There are several good music stores (meaning "rock music stores"- there are 
>others for classical music, for rap, for house, for gogo, but i don't know 
>them) in the DC area, but most of them are outside DC proper.

Most of the extra-cool stores are in the Maryland burbs.

>For new indies (American or British) or for 1980s indie music, especially if 
>it's British, your best bet is Vinyl Ink, in Silver Spring, MD just outside 
>DC. (Metro: Silver Spring)The guy who runs Slumberland Records worked there 
>until recently.
>
>For punk & hardcore, try Smash! in Georgetown.

But only if you can deal with the Doc-wearing, Cure-talking alternateens.
Smash is the only downtown store that sells 7"s, though, and that counts
for a lot with me.

>For rare 60s and 70s rock and for jazz, try Orpheus records, also in 
>Georgetown. Lots of rare stuff expensive, lots of easier to find stuff 
>including some punk rock records, cheaper than elsewhere.
>
>For almost anything rock, Yesterday and Today is a good bet. They've got an 
>entire room full of singles! Unfortunately they're rather inconveniently 
>located in Rockville. I forget what the Metro stop is--possibly Twinbrook.

If you shop Y&T, be sure to say hello to Archie Moore and Jim Spellman
from Velocity Girl, and anyone else who might be working there too. In my
opinion, Y&T is to DC what Pier Platters is to NJ. Highly recommended, and
_cheap_ too.

>There are other good stores in the  Virginia suburbs which I don't know 
>very well.

Record Convergence, in Fairfax, VA has a lot of 7"s, many of them hard to
find anywhere else (except, of course, Y&T...) and the people who run the
store are great. It's off US 50 in Fairfax City (well, it's not called
Fairfax City really, we just need a way to differentiate it from Fairfax
County, which I still get lost in...)

mark cornick                       stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
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From: rtbunker@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ross T. Bunker)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: L7 -- reviews (answered)
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:54:20 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

A while back i posted requesting reviews of the new L7 album (forgot it's
name again, dang!)

anyway, numerous people responded (thank you all)
and the verdict is...

it's good.
	I'd previously heard the single "Pretend we're dead" and almost everyone
said that the other songs were even better.  None of the people who
responded regretted buying the album (as near as i could tell :-).
	L7 is an all-female band, and the album is pretty thrashin'.  no slow
ballads on this one!  but in the words of one person, it's "heavy, but not
over the top".  In particular, people mentioned "Shitlist" and "Wargasm" as
songs to listen to.

thanks again to all of the respondants.

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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: YOUR ARSENAL: Is Morrissey Laughing at Johnny Marr?
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:46:55 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

everyone, stop thinking so much!

geez.  i think "we hate it" is such an obvious choice for a single,
 it's incredible.  

i love the album, almost all of it.

but, i mean, he's already said that "we hate it" is about the petty
 people of manchester, desrting you when you achieve success.  
 if it was about marr, knowing the critical acclaim the album was
 to receive, he'd have clouded it to make it suspect...

just enjoy it! - bob
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Subject: INFO REQUEST:  House of Love, Catherine Wheel, Soup Dragons tour???
From: denmark@csustan.csustan.edu (Mark Dinh)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:36:11 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

I was wondering if anybody had any info on some sort of 'package' tour with
the bands mentioned above.  Is is true?  If so, when will they be in San
Francisco?  When will tickets be available?

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

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From: jerpseth@sd.cadence.com (James Jerpseth)
Subject: Typo in Toad Mailing List information
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, San Diego Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:13:11 GMT

The information in my last post was incorrect. The correct
address for toad-request is below: (sorry about the typo)

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From: IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: smiths vs morrissey
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:15:51 PDT

In article <1992Aug19.205727.16188@uc.msc.edu>, on 19 Aug 1992 20:57:27 GMT,
drsmith@hamline.edu (jime) writes:

>i dunno, does anyone know exact scenes of the split up?  (well fuck you marr, i
>htink you suck!" type of stuff %-) i am curious to know...

Morrissey did not leave the Smiths...Marr did.  In fact, for a while,
the Smiths were expected to continue without Marr, but it just didn't
work-out.  More than anything else, Morrissey wanted the Smiths to
continue, forever.

There isn't really an _exact_ account of the breakup, but basically
Marr didn't like to be in the Smiths anymore, since what he wanted to
do musically just wasn't possible in the Smiths (which is very evident
with the music he's writing today.)

As for the new "Smiths" album you were talking about...there is a "Best
Of" Smiths album coming out soon, plus re-releases of This Charming Man
single (I think other singles will follow).  Morriseey & Marr are
rumored to be working together on these albums...not writing music, just
deciding on covers and picking the songs, etc.  But, one report I read
said that they had hardly even seen each other during this period...they
just FAXed to each other and had other corresspondents.

In any case...there are those who liked the Smiths because of what
Morrissey had to say in his songs.  Those came to also like Morrissey's
solo work, because after-all, it was still the same Morrissey.  Others
liked what the Smiths were doing musically, and thus didn't necessarily
like the other musicians Morrissey worked with.

-Hagop Janoyan
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