HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:39:27 GMT

In article <hill.715545655@galena12> hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill) writes:

>kutem@turtle1.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Kutemeier) writes:
>
>>First of all, I'd like to see any quantitative analysis that proves that
>>homosexuality is a learned behavior.
>
>On the other side of the coin, I'd like see quantitative analysis that
>proves that it is not a learned behavior.

Must be a three-sided coin.  I'd like to see quantitative analysis
proving that I should really care one way or the other whether it's
learned or not.

Anyone care to prove that religion is inborn rather than learned?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 00:05:59 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <mccalley.715971339@lead16> mccalley@rtsg.mot.com (Phil McCalley) writes:
>philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>

[deletions]

>>>Camping... I used that one a few times.  It works real good!  The Black and 
>>>Jewish thing is another story.  So maybe a homosexual and a petafile (sp?) 
>>>are two different things, but HOW different?  I certainly don't know.
>
>>     You apparently have no idea how different.  The majority of
>>pedophiles identify as heterosexual.  The majority of homosexuals are
>>not pedophiles.
>
>You apparently have a REAL good idea of all the little nuances of
>deviate sexual behavior.  Please tell me, how did you get so informed!

 Sorry, I couldn't let this one pass. This has been confirmed by
scads and scads of studies, as I learned in my one Abnormal Psych.
class. Sheesh.
 Maybe you should try to avoid ad-hominem attacks in the future,
'kay?

>Everything that I have seen points in this direction.  I will admit,
>since I do not feel as threatened, I have probably not paid as much
>attention to it as you have.  What I have learned is that you catch
>it by getting fluid in fluid, and there is a very short time the
>virous can live in the open air.  Using deduction, being the recipient
>of fluid carrying the virous is the most likely way to get it.  Hmmm,
>lets see...  When would someone receive fluid?  There are a limited
>number of ways this can happen.  And, while it is not impossible for
>a male to catch AIDS from an infected female, it is cetainly less likely
>than the reverse, or male to male for that matter.  This makes male-male
>encounters a better vehicle for transmission.  I can think of one other
>method of transferral, and that is intravenous needle reusage.  Since
>you seem to be very educated on this subject, perhaps you could enlighten
>the net on some of the other ways that tip the scale in the direction you 
>are indicating?  

 You *do* notice that, by your argument, a woman who wants to avoid
AIDS should only have sex with other women? (Indeed, lesbians have the
lowest rate of infection for HIV than any other group...)

>Thousands of years may not be enough.  Like I said before, these things
>take time.

 You know, if you're right, the best way to speed the process along
is to avoid pressuring gays to be straight... they won't try to
marry and 'pass' as often, and thus it will go away faster. If you're
right.
 Interesting... by your own argument, gays should be allowed to
do what they please... hmmmmmm.

>....................................................... Phil McCalley


Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably
                            || not those of the University of
ingles@caen.engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:26:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.231344.13889@techbook.com> mongo@techbook.com (Max Webb) writes:
>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>No, you have a hidden assumption, which is that people wish to be
>>treated more or less as you do. If I wish that people not treat me
>>equally well, but "help" me (I.e. try to make me straight) if I am
>
>The difference in the "way people wish to be treated" is taken into account
>in the viewpoint translation. For example, a hetero may imagine himself being
>gay, and imagine that that would entail wishing to be "cured", and therefore try
>to "cure" them. I would claim that he has imperfectly performed the
>viewpoint translation, since many gays don't see themselves as sick.
>I don't buy your objection.
Yes, I can see you don't.

1) Don't you see that if you can't provide a decent algorithm for
viewpoint translation, your test is utterly worthless? It's only
useful if it's to some degree unambiguous. It's not.

2) The assumption that "I'm right and you're wrong" is part of
the fundamental assumption set of Christianity, and many other
religions. This is exactly the same problem as preaching to those
who do not wish to be preached to(to tie in to alt.atheism).
I.e. Christians who converted from other religions are often thankful to
those who attempted to convert them. Therefore, from THEIR perspective,
although they didn't want it at the time, NOW they can see that
the people who tried were doing them a behavior. You see,
according to this view, atheists and homosexuals are deluded
by their sin and need help.
Remember, many atheists don't see themselves as sick, but they DO
once the convert. See the problem? You have to deny the fundamental
assumptions in order to conclude that the transformation is wrong
and once you've done that, your logic is inapplicable to the group
you mean it to be binding on.


So, I don't buy your argument that the golden rule prohibits
attempting to "cure" homosexuals.
-Ekr

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<AWERLING.92Sep8162452@dante.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Sep9.155016.13501@spdc.ti.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:38:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.155016.13501@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:

-   In article <AWERLING.92Sep8162452@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:
-   >In article <Bu9nHs.LL9@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
-   >
-   >-   Anyone care to prove that religion is inborn rather than learned?
-   >
-   >Of course it's inborn.  Whether or not people use religion to hide
-   >their bigotry, however, is a choice.
-   >
-
-   Why? Because you say so? Evidence please?


*Sigh*.  'Twas a joke.  Smilies for the humor-impaired.

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:18:33 GMT

hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill) writes:
: bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays) writes:
: 
: >Perhaps we should restate and retrench a little here....  There are
: >absolutes - the statement you have made above that the only
: >requirement is for someone to agree with a behavior is not correct.
: >We can now begin having a "silly" philosophic debate about the reasons
: >for society.  Perhaps we should adopt some concept that "society
: >exists to allow its members to exist and hopefully florish."  In this
: >case, there are some restrictions perhaps (I'd suggest starting with
: >murder being dis-allowed) and can continue from there.  Does sleeping
: >around contribute to the demise of society?  That is perhaps a more
: >pertinent question.  However, it is likely that sleeping around does
: >not but that behaviors like drug abuse (note that I did not say drug
: >use here:-) and theft may indeed inhibit and actually decrease the
: >member's purposes.
: 
: Ok....If someone chooses to abuse drugs in the privacy of his own home and 
: considers this behavior acceptable and moral, should society put restrictions
: on him if it doesn't hurt anyone else (based on several other replies to
: my question)? How does society decide what is acceptable and what is not?
: 
: Lately, it appears that the loudest voices and deepest pockets make the
: decisions. But who's to say that they know best?
: 
How could they possibly know best? But shouldn't this also be true of GLBO
people? Don't you think we know ourselves better than those who claim our
homosexuality is learned? Why not believe us when we are telling the truth
about our lives?


Kathy
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Definition of "Scouting Spirit"
Keywords: Scouting Spirit Scoutmaster Conference
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:08:45 GMT

Ed Mohrman writes:
> As Scoutmaster for 5 years, I have been in the position
> many times of signing off for the requirement for
> "Scouting Spirit".  I wonder what other units are doing on this?

Ask the Scout how he has LIVED the Scout Law, Oath, Slogan, Motto,
and Outdoor Creed.  (Ask yourself the same thing).

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: oakes@clear15.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Oakes)
Subject: Re: Council Address Request
Keywords: Need new addresses
Reply-To: oakes@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:16:21 GMT

I could not get this reply through by e-mail;  So I posted it:

The correct address for the Northwest Suburban Council (Right off of the return
address stamp on a something they mailed to me:

	Northwest Suburban Council
	Boy Scouts of Americal
	600 North Wheeling Road
	Mt. Prospect, IL 60056

And the phone:
	(708)824-6880

Ronald B. Oakes
Scoutmaster, Troop 91
Palatine, IL



Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: cs911275@ariel.yorku.ca (MICHAEL A MACDONALD)
Subject: Is rec.scouting the proper place for the discussion of Rovers also?
Originator: cs911275@m08.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:17:09 GMT


  I am the mate of the 3rd Newtonbrook Rover crew. We are located in Toronto,
Ontario, Canada. I am wondering if rec.scouting the proper place for the
discussion of Rovers also. If so, I'd be very much interested in hearing from
other Rover Crews in Canada and the United States.
 
==============================================================================
Michael A. MacDonald                         
York University, Ont. ,Canada                             
E-MAIL: cs911275@ariel.yorku.ca
From: steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Top Changwatchai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Blandman
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:02:17 GMT

In article <92250.152203JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>     This parady for DC's mature titles was very funny I thought. But you have
>  to be a fan of all the mature titles to understand it. My girlfriend, who
>  only likes The Sandman, didn't find it very funny at all. I recommend it.
>
>
>                                 The owls are not what they seem....
>
>                                              The Jimothy

So what is _Blandman_?  A comic (if so, by who), an article, a post?  If the
latter, I'd appreciate a copy.

Thanks,
Top

-- 
steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
"I'm gonna live forever or die trying."
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: LNH - Can Anyone Answer These Questions?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:25:44 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

  It was at this point that some questions were posed by Continuity
Champ.
  "What ever happened to LNH - the 501 Blues?"
  "How about a r.a.c.LNH?  Anyone interested?"
  "Or LNH - The Next Generation?  Drizzt has some ideas!"
  "Anyone interested in the long-awaited (actually, I've been long-
awaiting a response) Continuity Champion mini-series?"
  "Anybody got a list (partial or otherwise) of LNH heroes, villains,
devices, mascots, etc.?"
  "Is anybody out there?  Anyone at all?" ^1

  The Champion awaits your answers at:
           BARNEJD@WKUVX1.BITNET

                                       -Drizzt^2



^1 - From "THE DAY AFTER", a pretty good movie ("film" is the stuff on
     my windshield) about October 1, the day after r.a.c. gets rm'ed.
^2 - Selected from the Icewind Dale and Dark Elf trilogies by R.A.
     Salvatore.
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: cry for dawn
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:38:12 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <10726446.138.716084375@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10726446@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (LAU WAI KUEN) writes:
>
>  Why, oh why, has it taken me until vol. 8 to find this masterpiece?
>Is there anyone out there who could tell me what it's all about?
>
>Hal

	It's about a couple of Joes from S.Orange, NJ writing and drawing
a series of highly original and quite deep horror stories.  There is no
continuity and each story is self-contained.  Kinda like Tales from the 
Crypt, but more high-brow.  Also check out Subtle Violents for a more
sci-fi/fantasy comic by the same Joes (Linsner and Monks).

			Pretty cool guys if you can get past Linsner's
			cynicism and arrogance at times

						Raythrax
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: r.a.comics to be rmgrouped Sept. 30
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:54:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <2563@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, dream@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Morpheus) writes:
> In article <18k24cINNg2f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High) writes:
> > 
> > 21 days and counting until this newsgroup disappears!  Bug your 
> > sysop today about getting the new heirarchy.
> > 
> 
> Now, why is this group being deleted??? I have been reading it for close to 
> 4 years now.

I take it you haven't been reading closely?  :-)

There was a vote to split the group.  It suceeded.  The new group names are:
- rec.arts.comics.info
- rec.arts.comics.misc
- rec.arts.comics.xbooks

If your site doesn't have these newsgroups, tell your system administrator
to add them, and hurry!!
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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: LNH - Cry.Sig #2
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:54:38 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

CRY.SIG ON INFINITE NET.EARTHS DELAYED

  (Bowling Green, NP) Current writer Drizzt (Jeff Barnes) regrets to
inform you (like you care, right!) that issue 2 of Cry.Sig will be
delayed until at least Monday.  Also, he says (and I quote):
   "I don't care what the rest of you write, I'm ignoring it and going
    on with my story.  Nyah, nyah, nyah!  I've got my fingers in my
    ears; I can't hear you!"
Please take this in the spirit [ :+) ] it is offered.  Of course, the
"big death" issues are coming up...heh, heh, heh.

                                       -Drizzt
From: DEC113@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: THE CROW
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:45:06 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


    At my local comic shop I recently saw two issues of THE CROW.  Can someone
please tell me about it.  I would like to know if it is any good.  It looked
intregueing.

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                                                    Dennis E Crissman
                                               "DECEMBER"  dec113@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Names of Creators and Hulk (was Dale Keown)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:05:33 GMT

>In article <65447@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>That is correct. Gary Frank will be the new penciller on Hulk--making Hulk
>>the only title at Marvel to have a writer/penciller team that doesn't have
>>a single last name between them.

>>PAD

In article <1992Sep8.220002.16217@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>	Oooh!  Can I be editor or colorist or whatever?
>						Ray Rich

Hmmm.  Maybe there is an anti-universe that I can go to where *I* can
work on a comic book... :-)

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher)
Subject: Re: Superman's Death
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:23:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.160918.15889@njitgw.njit.edu> you write:
>In article <smznlvr.jrs@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:

>Not to start up the "Who stays dead?" thread again, but the only 
>superheroes who stay dead are Bucky and Captain Mar-Vell (at least
>at Marvel).  Brother Voodoo isn't dead.  (At least, not that I
>know of).

I'm new to this group, so I certainly don't want to start any "dead" threads
again, but didn't the guy from Alpha Flight stay dead?  The founder of the
group, can't remember his name, his wife took his uniform?

Marnita


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: r.a.comics to be rmgrouped Sept. 30
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 02:49:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.023546.18371@cis.ohio-state.edu> friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.045247.9090@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>>OH G-D, 21 more days of the LNH.  I am soooo sorry I started this....
>>Oh well, might as well let insanity rain.

[horrid visual ASCII pun omitted]

>	"Book 'em," Grammer Lad sadly grumbled.  Spellchecker slapped
>on the 'cuffs and The PunPolice quickly carted off Scavenger to a
>rubber room with his name on it...  :-)

Hmm, that can't really be the real Spellchecker; he'd object to the
misspelling of Grammar Lad's name.  Not that I'm even alive anymore
or anything... 

the late Spelling Boy, posting from deep within the digestive systems
of his lupine killers, hoping that Spellchecker can live up to the job
--
   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
 "Oh, Mr. Jones!  Mr. Jones!  Can I have your autograph?  Can I ... ?  Oh, 
thank you, Mr. Jones!  Frankie and Perry just aren't in it; you're my swooner 
loverboy dreamboat!" <KABOOM>  -Bugs Bunny, to Giovanni Jones
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: No, no LNHetc installment yet....(hey! Ellipses!)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:17:30 GMT

The creative impulse hasn't hit yet tonight for LNH.  Sorry.
     Oh, BTW, if you didn't get onto the net until after the vote was cast, and
you disagree with the ghettoization of the xbooks (incl. Excalibur), then 
you're pretty much Sh*t Outta Luck unless you're willing to suffer the combined
flames of Conty and elmo and a hoary host of others.
     Dave Van Domelen, only one person ended up 'permanently' dead in 
E*calibur, but since not everyone has their issues yet I won't say who.
From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: 9-9-92 "B.C."
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:48:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.civil-liberties
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BuMquB.2KE@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff) writes...
>In article <1992Sep15.112443.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, 11srust@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Scott A. Rust) writes...
>>In article <JYM.92Sep15005952@remarque.berkeley.edu>, jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> 
>>> =+= I'm thinking mostly about his anti-ACLU strips.  The ACLU
>>> works to enforce the Constitutional-prescribed separation
>>> between church and state.  Hart has, on several occasions,
>>> misrepresented this as an effort to impose a separation of
>>> church and everyday life.
> 
>>	Even the most ardent (sp?) of ACLU supporters has to admit that the
>>ACLU on many occasions takes on ridiculous crusades all in the name of the
>>constitution and freedom for all, when really it is   1) trying to all the
>>press it can about anything   2) undermining society and its ever declining
>>morals, etc, etc.
> 
>Oh?  Name one crusade.  Name one "declining moral" that the ACLU is 
>undermining.  (By the way, I didn't understand point 1.  Was there a typo?)

Point of clarification of last post: I really want to know...

By the way, this should follow-up to alt.civil-liberties, not here.  

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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: 9-9-92 "B.C."
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:05:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Sep10.194308.26372@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>
>I am surprised to see no comment on the 9-9-92 "B.C." strip.  It had
>two panels, and was a "Wiley's Dictionary" entry.
>
>1st panel:  "R-U-4-86"
>2nd panel:  "Are-U-4-Stiffing-the-kid?"
>

I'll probably be really embarassed by this, but I read the strip, and
I read the post, but... I still don't get it! I must be missing a
reference, particularly the '86'. Can someone fill in the Clueless
Wonder here?


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