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From: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: PBS & SCIFI CHANNELS
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 

-> Sounds OK, but all my paper and stamps are gonna be used to make sure
-> I *get* the SF channel... My cableco is saying "Oh, we'll get it...
-> in February 1994."  AARGH!!
Tell me about it! My cable company has a case of amnesia. When I first
called, they said "Well, we're re-doing the whole lineup on November 1,
but the SciFi channel is one of the stations we haven't made a decision
on, for whatever reason. Try calling back in a week or so." I did so.
The response then was, "Changing our channels when? Well, we don't know
anything about that yet. SciFi? We don't know what channels we're gonna
have. All we know is that we are adding more channels. When we receive
the new lineup, there will probably be some promotion telling you which
stations we will show."

Now how on Earth did it get from "Nov 1., but we don't know about SciFi
YET..." to "We know absolutely nothing." Who the hell runs my cable
company? Ronald Reagan??? <GRIN>
    - Doug
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Subject: Re: What happened?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:59:59 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789
Keywords: Underpinnings, cultural, opinions...

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

> In article <V7a9PB4w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) w
> >> Why? The Doctor deals with all, being the penultimate embodiment of
> >> a hope for the future -- being non-judgemental of any one/being, respectin
> >> all forms and stages of life in its miraculous multiplicity with acceptanc
> >> current. We just aren't old enough.
> 
> The Doctor is far from non-judgmental, or accepting.

I agree with you.  I didn't say the above.  If you had continued the quote to 
what I'd said, you would have noticed that I didn't agree with the above
statement.  Just a minor flame, I'd hate to be miss-quoted.

> 
> The best example of this is the Pertwee era, when he's quite willing to
> criticize humans for prejudice, pollution, or whatever; and glossing over the
> notion that he doesn't _really_ have any more right to make judgments about
> our culture than we do about someone else's....

Yes, Pertwee does that quite often, especially when commenting on the 
"military mind".  Tom Baker does this as well.  Tom Baker also is
pretty judgemental when refering to Leela as a savage...with no
intelligence.  Although he does respect her instict and hunting ability.
He also seems pretty judgemental toward the violent races, Daleks, 
Cybermen, Sontarans...etc.  And of course almost always assuming the
monster of the week is evil, but then again it usually is.


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
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From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Re: TIME LORD RPG
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:58:29 GMT

In article <92238.14563134ZBTXQ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <34ZBTXQ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> I found the TIME LORD RPG-the new Dr. Who roleplaying game. It's a fast,
>simple little game, but is quite fun. It has no character creation system or
>experience point system, but I've made one up if anyone wants it; e-mail me and
>I'll give it to you. The game is put out by Doctor Who Books, a division of
>Virgin Publ. LTD., and can be obtained at the same source where you get WHO
>paperbacks. It's a fun way to have new adventures while waiting for the series
>to return. WHO gamers will like this game; it's much more accurate to the TV
>series than FASA's game was, and MUCH easier to play.


Maybe we could have a game on an irc channel, and meet to play once or twice
a week????

I would love to play, but don't know where to start.
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From: "mike rizzello" <mike.rizzello@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: brit. comercials
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:35:59 EST
Reply-To: "mike rizzello" <mike.rizzello@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

to:  gingell@rock.concert.net

 Regarding the 'traces' of British in U.S. comercials, how about the one
for the Quicksnap cameras.  The one where the family is having a
picknick in the park and when the mother leaves, the baby starts to do
some really amazing gymnastics on the monkey bars while the father
searches for the camera, while cursing himself for not having a
Quicksnap.

 There is also the Kit-Kat commercial where the guy is trying to get a
picture of some pandas and waits day and night, through the elements for
this one shot.  He takes a break for a Kit-kat and the bears come out
and do some fantastic tricks and go back into their 'hut' as soon as the
guy finishes.
--
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Tomb's format
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:22:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

>Well I finally saw "Tomb of the Cybermen" this saturday (and loved it). I  
>had been of the understanding that my PBS station would show it in episode  
>format, but what I saw was distinctly not episode format. The pledge  
>breaks (interuptions) were done at episodew breaks, but they didn't have  
>repeated opening sequences and I didn't notice any episode overlap or the  
>words "part 1" after the title.

I wrote my PBS station before they showed Tomb and asked them to show
it in episode format.  They replied that the episode format had not
been made available to them by Lionheart...
From: jayw@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Wardle)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:09:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Dr.Who returns to KTPS28
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho


I had hoped to be the bearer of this good news, but mike beat me out!

>        Dr. Who is returning to the Seattle area with a marathon run
>of a few Tom Bakers.. it's on KTPS28, a PBS station that had given up running
>Dr. Who since early last summer (but at least they got through to the end
>of the Dr.Who productions - McCoy series). It all starts Saturday night at
>6:30.

My KTPS Program Guide lists their Doctor Who Marathon:

Saturday, August 29:
  6:00 "Resistance Is Useless"
  6:30 "Tom Baker"
  9:00 "Tomb of the Cyberman"
  11:00 approx sign-off

Sunday, August 30:
  12:00 (noon) "Tom Baker"
  4:00 "Resistance is Useless"
  5:00 "Tomb of the Cyberman"
  7:00 other stuff....

I don't understand how "Resistance" is 30 minutes Saturday, and 1 hour
on Sunday, or how "Tom Baker" is 2:30 on Saturday, and 4:00 on Sunday.
Perhaps *lots* of pledge breaks? I don't know.
The weekly newspaper listing shows the same times for the Saturday shows.

Jay "recording on Saturday, since 7 hours is too long for SLP" Wardle

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From: mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Hartnell-Troughton Regeneration Sequence
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.235155.22408@unixg.ubc.ca> guth@unixg.ubc.ca (A  
Medieval Roboticist) writes:
> I haven't seen the clip myself, or that particular episode (does it  
exist
> anymore?) but I have read the book, although it was some time ago.  I
> know this isn't canon, but in the book, I recall that the Doctor needed
> the help of the TARDIS to regenerate, something about him holding off
> too long, and sticking with his first body too long...

I presume you mean the "10th Planet" novelization. I've read that too and  
it seems to be one of the more innaccurate novels. It sets the date as  
2000 rather than 1986. It says the Doctor regenerates in the TARDIS sleep  
augmentor, which is not what happens in the clip.
From: jblum@macbeth.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Writing for DR. WHO (was Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:36:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug28.200031.5137@ulowell.ulowell.edu> pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker) writes:
>I think the following people should write for Who

>Paul Cornell    (Timewyrm was SUPERB!!!!  Let him write for the show)
>Ben Aaronovitch (sp)  (good writer....like both shows and the book)
>Marc Platt      (confusing.....but good)
>Ian Briggs	(if Ace leaves, let this guy write her out....he wrote her in)
>Steven Wyatt	(I don't care what you think...Paradise Towers and 
>		 Greatest Show in the Galaxy were terrific)

Agree about GSitG, but Paradise Towers needed major work... like about 25
minutes cut out...

>Christopher Bidmead  (Always liked his work...)

I agree with all of these, but the list does seem a little bit McCoy-heavy.
How about looking for more old writers, or people who have never written
for Who before?

Personally I'd love to see Chris Boucher return to the show...
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: What Dalek book should I read???
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:19:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug26.224732.17786@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (The Trumpster.) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.133422.19330@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mfh@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (mitchell.hansinger) writes:
>>1)  What was Davros' purpose in creating the daleks?  ie what did he want to
>>accomplish/hope to obtain?

>He didn't mean to create them. His people were suffering and mutating from
>radiation, and he wanted to accelerate the process to see what the final
>form would be, and he was horrified to discover it was a hideously deformed
>monster. His people were at war, and he decided to use them to fight. He
>removed all emotions from them and cased them in moveable exoskeletons.

You seem to be missing out on the subletly of Davros, and the reason why
he's one of my favorite Doctor Who villains.

Sure, he created the Dalek travel machines... but why do you think he
created them in the form he did?  One arm, no legs, one eye in the
center of the forehead?

He was mirroring his own deformities from the bomb blast that nearly
took his life.  He was re-creating his race in his own image, like the
god he wanted to be.  To compensate for his handicap, he made the Daleks
into the ultimate fighting force, and convinced them -- and himself --
that this form was the best.

Of course, this arrogance that he gave his creations turned back upon
him.  Even the Daleks looked down on him as a lesser being.  Deformed.
Useless.

>>2)  How did the schism between Davros and the daleks occur?

>Davros
>wasn't really all that bad of a guy. He was a man of war, and his experiment
>went wrong.

No.  It went right, and that's the irony of it all.  The Daleks found an
existance outside of being an ego-boost for him -- they were more
successful than he ever dreamed.

And I question the idea that Davros "wasn't really all that bad".  He
might have started out working for the glory of his race, but by the end
he betrays them and lets them get massacred so that only the Daleks can
go on.  All that mattered to him was his creation, his Daleks.  He was
a creator in the image of Victor Frankenstein, but instead of betraying
his monster, it betrayed him.

> He tried to destroy them at the last second, but they blasted him.

Well, he tried to destroy them BECAUSE they were about to blast him.
He never wanted to wipe out the Daleks -- look how satisfied he was
just before then, when he had crushed all opposition and was going on
as the Daleks' sole leader.  It was only when they didn't need him that
he turned against them... but, as later events show, only to start over
with his new breed of Daleks in the Davison years.
From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Rating the Doctors (Was Re: Sixth Doctor)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 00:49:56 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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Every so often, you'll see a survey of sorts, asking you to rate the Doctors from
one to seven.  I couldn't do it, to tell you the truth!  For one, I can claim my
FAVOURITE Doctors... Peter Davison was excellent, and was actually my "hero" while
I was in High School (I think it was the fact that he brought a certain youth-
fulness to the role)... and Jon Pertwee... I can't say much, except that I read
the novelisation of "Spearhead from Space" a couple of weeks ago and got kind of
"homesick" for those episodes.  

But, in spite of my favourites, I like them ALL.  I haven't seen enough Hartnell,
Troughton or McCoy to make a call, and between Tom Baker, Colin Baker, Pertwee and
Davison, it's hard for me to NOT like any of them.  I think it's the variety of
the styles with which each man took the part: Pertwee's action-oriented swash-
buckler; Tom Baker's scatterbrained eccentric; Davison's youth and exuberance; and
Colin Baker's more level-headed (if not quite balanced) portrayal.  My only gripes
about ANY of the episodes were with the FX, but I sometimes fail to realize the
kind of budget they kept the show at, and the fact that they liked to emphasize
the WRITING above the visual effects.

Now, with the Sci-Fi Channel slated to debut at the end of this month (!), I'm
anxious to find out just WHERE they intend to start the series.  I'm hoping for
as close to Unearthly Child as possible, but if they at least begin with 
Spearhead I'll be happy...

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
"You're too young and I'm too well hung..." -- Spinal Tap
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: An idea for the return of our favouring show
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:07:29 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Eli and John.  I do understand your point of views.  I will also add to my
idea,  a maximum of 6 parts as usual.

Furthur, The show was not suuposed to last this long, however, now that it has
got international recognisition and stature,  it should have a fair return.

I was suggesting that time,  NOT dictating.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.drwho:5655 rec.arts.tv.uk:5136
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Katherine Schlinger
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 05:30:28 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Some questions concerning K. Schleslinger.  She seems to look like someone who
I met before by the name of Nancy Schlesinger.

Differences:  Nancy has brown eyes, Katerine has blue.
              Nancy has dark hair, Katherine has lightist hair.

Does anyone have any bibliographic information on Katherine Schlesinger, who
tends to show up on BBC shows as a Victorian character?

A footnote: I also know of Joe Schlesinger, CBC newsman, a Czech Jew, and is
            related to Nancy.

Any connections ?

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
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From: trump@iastate.edu (The Trumpster.)
Subject: Re: sexism??
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:49:41 GMT

In article <9LeDqB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>I know Mike S. has originally brought this up, however..
>
>From my club's point of view, their seems to be a discussion on which female
>companions has either the greatest bust or the the greatest body.  I don't mind
>this myself, provided that it can be discussed in a mature-like manner.

Well, there is some topic for debate, especially in the latter stages of the
show when the casting people had to cast, erm, near-models because the show 
needed sex appeal. (Dont deny that. Planet of Fire is a sadly obvious example)

>Any similar problem with other clubs  in the world, or am I just going up a
>cul-de-sac?

Hrm...I know someone who seems to be devoted to the 'Who Babes'(hey...that's
what he calls 'em). I dont view this as so much of a 'problem' but a certain
side-effect from the casting changes of the late 80s. 

>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.

Who rangled some of the most rugged country and lived out of a can and 
tamed the wild and the wooly, but otherwise, yes.

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu
From: ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: VIDEO CERTIFICATES
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:06:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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In article <1992Aug26.223726.17479@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (The Trumpster.) writes:
>In article <9208260847.AA27291@cs.utexas.edu> EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk) writes:
>>gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes.....
>>> 
>>> U - Universal, suitable for all (e.g. Peter Pan was one)
>>> PG - Parental Guidance; anyone can get in, unaccompanyied or otherwise,
>>> but some scenes may be too strong for young children (e.g. Short Circuit)
>>> 12 - no one under 12 under any circumstances (e.g Batman, The Abyss)
>>> 15 - no one under 15 under any circumstances (e.g. Darkman)
>>> 18 - no one under 18 under any circumstances (e.g. Aliens, Cape fear)
>>> 
>>> Hence, did you know that anyone under 18 in the UK who has seen Aliens
>>> has broken the law!!

#define pedantic_mode

I would guess that this is not strictly true. It is illegal to supply
an 18 video (etc) to anyone under 18, but I would not say (although I
am not sure) that the under 18 personage watching an 18 film is
breaking the law. This would be in keeping with other age related
laws, eg. it's not illegal for a 12 year old to smoke a cig., but to
sell/supply a 12 year old with a cig. is illegal. Same with under-age
sex, etc.

#undefine pedantic_mode

>
>>I think I am right in saying that the 12 certificate is not given
>>to video releases, just to cinema.  What was a 12 in the cinema would
>>go "up" to a 15 on video.  This is a common policy in Britain - certificates
>>often are upped one stage when going from cinema to video.  The theory is
>>that videocassettes are more "accessible" than cinema films, hence the
>>higher grading.

#define speculation_mode

It is generally considered that the 12 rating was created for (by) the
creators of Batman (the movie) which was the first 12 film in the U.K.
It is suspected they 'payed' a great deal (of money) for it so as to get
more viewers in the cinemas. Then the BBFC had to start using for
other films otherwise other companies would complain. The makers of
Batman would not need to put the same effoert into a 12 video cert. as
(as you say) they are more "accessible", thus one was never created.

#undefine speculation_mode

Ian

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From: jimw@darkstar.rain.com (James Willing)
Subject: Re: The SCIFI CHANNEL
Organization: Oregon Developmental Electronics
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:07:58 GMT

aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:


>In a previous article, nmarsh@indyvax.iupui.edu (The Doctor) says:


>If you happen to own a satellite dish I've been told that The Sci-Fi
>Channel is already up and doing some testing on Galaxy 5, Channel 4.
>I haven't been able to verify this yet personally since I dont have
>a dish. If anyone has a satellite dish could they please check &
>post something here if it's true.

>-- 
Yes, it's true...  I've been watching it off and on since it first lit up.

Currently they are running a series of rolling video/graphic sequences that
repeat about once an hour.  Nothing real remarkable yet, tho if they spend
the money on programming that they have so far on graphics, its going to be
good!

One of the sequences is muffled/garbled voices and alien looking graphics.
If you listen closely, you can make out what they are saying, which is a list
of program titles that they will be showing.

Rumour has it that the voices will become clearer as the official launch
date approaches.

(and yes.... Dr. Who is among those listed)

-jim

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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:23:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.045226.1210@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler) wrote:
>>DN|  Perhaps an American producer should take it over and do it now... 8)
>>I think I'd rather have it stay dead.
[....]
>be because Dave wasn't successful at bring back Dr. Vol. 7 and Ace. "Bad"
>Dr. Who would be better than none. Truth of the matter is, if the proper
>people are behind the scenes (for continuity, etc.), it could be quite good.
>The Doctor isn't really English (only the actor) and why are the companions
>limited to English or outer space (I think Peri is American). Certainly there
>would be more money put into the show. The only tie to England necessary is
>the police box.

a) "Bad" Dr. Who would certainly be worse than none at all; b) I think
you fail to realise that Dr. Who is a quintessentially *English*
programme. It's nothing to do with the nationality of the actor(s),
it's entirely to do with attitudes. Letting anyone else do Dr. Who
would be to produce an entirely different show.

>Oh well, it ain't gonna happen, at least not for a while. There is something
>wrong with a preconceived dislike though.

It's not necessarily "preconceived dislike", it's just the awareness
that nobody who wasn't born and brought up in England during a
particular period would produce something recognisable as Dr. Who.

Deryk.



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