From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.154244.933@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
>In article <79611@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep11.225319.9934@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
>(Usenet on news.acns) writes:

Carl, 
It seems that you realy believe election. I guess you remember
that Hitler was elected too, Right? 
Any comments about that?
But I am not saying elections are bad, either.
c.q.
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>> >If they elect warlords, then let the warlords be the representitive. 
>> >Why do you think that Chinese people will elect warlords? 
>> >Trust them. Put confidence on  
>> >Chinese people. If a warlord is elected by a REAL election, then this  
>warlord
>> >has something that people trust.
>> 
>> The problem is that you may have a highly popular leader who advocates
>> policies that are good for Hunan, but which are disastrous for the
>> rest of China.  This person find it very, very easy to get elected in
>> Hunan on a platform on Hunan independence.
>> 
>> You can't simply let provinces secede at will.  The trouble is that
>> it's always in the advantage of an individual province to secede, but
>> if they all secede they everyone is at a disadvantage.
>> 
> 
>I don't think so. Take Hunan for an example, Hunan is mainly an agricultural  
>province though it also has some industries. It need to import heavy industrial  
>products from other provinces and probably export agricultural products and  
>light industrial products to other provinces. In a word, it is not necessary a  
>good idea for Hunan to secede. I also believe people in Hunan will not vote to  
>leave at present unless all of the people in Hunan are crazy. What I mean is  
>people are not fool. They will choose a best way for themselves if they are  
>given a chance. 
> 
>In fact, I am not even sure the majority in Taiwan will vote for independence.  
>They just don't want reunification. I also think in the long run, it is not  
>economically beneficial for Taiwan to secede if later China changes its current  
>system and go towards a more democratic society. But, even they do vote for  
>independence, we still need to respect their choice. I bet they will make their  
>choice under careful and serious consideration and will be responsible for  
>their own future.
> 
>> If you don't see the problem, then ask yourself, why do we have
>> governments in the first place?  If a group of people are such good
>> managers, then why do they need to force people to pay them money?
>> Why can't taxation be completely voluntary with each individual paying
>> the amount that they think the government deserves?  If provinces can
>> secede, why can't individuals?
> 
>If what you said is true, why the Roman Empire collapes, why the Ottoman empire  
>collapes, why the former USSR collapes. I am not suggesting breaking a country  
>into small parts. I am only suggesting to respect people's choices. Large is  
>not alway good and neither is small. There is a optimal ( or near optimal)  
>state and this optimal state changes according to various conditions as in  
>mathematics and engineering. I believe it is the wisdom of majority of people  
>that will find the optimal state ( or near optimal one). So, let them choose  
>their future.
> 
>Carl
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