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From: staffan@nynashamn.telesoft.se (Staffan K-E Ungsgard)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Demacs,SLIP and Ange-ftp
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:06:46 GMT
Organization: Telesoft Norden AB
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


Has anybody tried to get ange-ftp to work on Demacs.
Shell-mode is not implemented, so ange-ftp doesn't
work as-is. Having SLIP and shell-mode (or a hacked
ange-ftp that would do the same thing as shell-mode)
would give something looking like NFS using ange-ftp.
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: wmesard@cs.stanford.edu (Wayne Mesard)
Subject: Re: line numbers in auxiliary emacs window
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Stanford University
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:59:41

englehar@src.honeywell.com (Matt Englehart) writes:
> Does anyone have any elisp to do something like split the screen vertically
> into 2 windows, the one on the left "small", and then display the line
> numbers of the file in the right window in the left window?

Look in the elisp archive under .../as-is/line-nos.el.Z.  There's some
code there that does exactly what you want.  It's a few years old and
should probably be re-written to use the wakeup program that comes with
recent versions of Emacs, but I will never get around to doing that and
it still works as is.
--
Wayne();
WMesard@cs.Stanford.edu
Xref: sparky comp.emacs:3938 gnu.emacs.gnus:1456 gnu.emacs.help:5308
From: lad@remus.rutgers.edu (Kamlesh)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.gnus,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: EMACS ON HP-UX 8.0
Keywords: version of emacs
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:41:52 GMT
Followup-To: comp.emacs
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Will the GNU version of emacs work on a HP 9000 running HP-UX 8.0 ?


If not are there versions of emacs public domain or commercial that
will on run on HP-UX.


Thanks.


Kamlesh lad
lad@remus.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
From: af062@yfn.ysu.edu (Marshall Levin)
Subject: .emacs file
Reply-To: af062@yfn.ysu.edu (Marshall Levin)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:42:11 GMT


I am trying to set up an .emacs file and I can't find a model anywhere. 
What I want it to do is this:

upon startup, change automatically to auto-fill-mode
change the following bindings:

C-@ to M-space
C-s to M-s
C-p to downarrow
C-n to uparrow
C-b to leftarrow
C-f to rightarrow

An email reply is preferred as I don't get to read usenet too often
If desired I will post a summary of the replies

Thank you very much

Marshall Levin
Xref: sparky comp.emacs:3941 gnu.emacs.help:5315
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Num. keypad bindings for Demacs-how 2 change without affecting arrows?
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:08:47 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1993Jan6.002415.13780@trl.oz.au> smadden@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Steve Madden) writes:
>G'Day people,
>	     I've got a little question regarding keypad mappings in
>Demacs. Basically, the situation is as follows: I have a PC on which I
>do some programming under Demacs. I also use this PC to log onto a
>mainframe which runs Emacs. On the mainframe, I have a e-lisp file which
>maps varous functions onto the PC's numeric keypad, such as PgUp/Dn,
>BOF/EOF, BOL/EOL, kill-region, kill-line, kill-word, ... etc. Now the
>bit which involves the question. I would like to make the two keypads
>behave in exactly the same way, but there seems to be a snag under
>Demacs. How do I distinguish the arrow keys and PgUp/Dn/Home/End keys on
>the numeric keypad fom those in the arrow keypad, and the other six key
>keypad above it on the pc keyboard so that I can just remap the numeric
>versions ? Is it even possible under Demacs ?? Any guidelines most
>gratefully accepted,

You need to tell ANSI.SYS that you have an extended keyboard (/X option), 
and in the emacs/lisp/term/ibm_pc.el file that loads the function keys,
you need to map the numeric keypad keys to something other than the separate
arrow key/PgUp/... block.  For the routine that remaps the keys back to the
original IBM character sequences, you'll want to remake the extended key
blocks to the same as the numeric key blocks.

--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.

Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: jimp@cognos.COM (Jim Patterson)
Subject: Re: find-file-maybe-uncompress? (for Gnu under unix)
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:53:43 GMT

schrag@cs.utexas.edu (Robert C. Schrag) writes:
: Does anybody have a version of find-file (or find-file-noselect) that
: will automatically uncompress the file, if it has the .Z suffix?

Check your local Emacs lisp archive for a module called "zcat.el".
This contains a routine called zcat-buffer that is installed as a
minor mode (it doesn't actually replace find-file). It's installed like
this at our site:

	(autoload 'zcat-buffer "site/zcat"
	  "Uncompresses contents of buffer,
       respecting read-only status (not loaded)."
	  t)

	(setq auto-mode-alist
		  (append auto-mode-alist '(
			  ("\\.Z$" . zcat-buffer)
		   )))

Once this is done during setup, zcat-buffer will automatically be
invoked on any file with a .Z extension (quite neat).  We've put it
into our site-init.el file.

--
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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: string massaging
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:25:15 GMT


Is there a way (in gnu) to do something like replace-regexp, but do
it on a string?  Specifically, I want to remove all control characters
and the like.
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - Luxury!  In MY day, we had to make do with 5 bytes of swap...
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: ajw1@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (werth,andrew)
Subject: What can I remove from GNU?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:41:25 GMT

Does anyone know if there is a list of files that I can remove from
disk once I have gnu-emacs 18.59.1 successfully installed?  I'd like
to just keep the files that are really essential to running day-to-day
emacs (i.e., bins, info, lisp, what else?).  Thanks.

Andrew Werth
ajw1@cc.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
From: smadden@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Steve Madden)
Subject: Demacs and EMM386.EXE - whats the best setup ??
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:02:41 GMT

Hi there,
	 I've had Demacs running for some time now and am very happy
with it generally speaking. However, until now, I had not been using the
EMM386.EXE driver, as it stopped my protected mode compiler working. I
have just received a new version of the compiler which works fine with
EMM386, and wondered what the best set of parameters to use with EMM386
is to get best performance from Demacs (I realise that "noems" does'nt
work too well :) Any responses most gratefully received.


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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: dbld@oz.plymouth.edu (d^2)
Subject: Anyway to change auto-save timer
Reply-To: dbld@oz.plymouth.edu (d^2)
Organization: Plymouth State College
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:35:43 GMT

We are running a group of PC's off modems, and wonder if there is a way to
either get emacs to auto-save on a hangup or disconnect or to change the
amount of time in-between auto-saves.  The current time interval is to long.

BTW: What is the current value, anyway? ;-)

---
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Office of Continuing Education* The thousandth blade found my liver.
Plymouth State College        * The thousandth foe said unto me: 
Inet: dbld@oz.plymouth.edu    * "Now you shall die, Now none shall know."
      dbld@piaget.plymouth.edu* And the fool, looking only down, Believed this,
      duaned@fred.plymouth.edu* not seeing above his shoulder The Naked Stars, 
  duane.dixon@psc.plymouth.edu* each one Remembering....

`Battle ye not with monsters, lest ye become a monster' - Nietzsche
d^2


Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: greff@eecs.umich.edu (vincent greff)
Subject: mouse problem with freemacs 1.6a
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:00:03 EST
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: comp.emacs

I'm using free emacs 1.6a on my pc and I find it great because it adapts
itself to the screen mode (no problem under 132col 60lines).

But I don't know how to use the mouse for copying a bloc and pasting it. 
Any help would be appreciated. The only things I managed to do with the 
mouse were moving the point and scrolling the screen. By the way, I'm using
a 3 buttons logitec mouse.

Thanks in advance for your help

Vince
email: greff@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: mot.general,comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.gnu
From: francois@mot.com (Andre Francois)
Subject: A good emacs X-window mouse package
Organization: rpg
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:27:23 GMT

I had a really nice mouse package for emacs that gave me the ability to
cut and paste into the X-buffer and resize and create windows and also
had some help menus in X.  I lost it.  Could someone send me a copy or
tell me EXACTLY where I can get one.
Andre Francois
Internet mail: eaf003@email.comm.mot.com
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: display-line-number
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:50:16 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca


How would I define a function display-line-number to print the line
number on the mode line?

-- 

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs            This has been brought to 
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?                     you by the numbers 4
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?     and 9 and the letter P.
It's Log, Log, Log!  -- "The Log Song", from            -- Big Bird
                         Ren & Stimpy

Math is tough!       -- Barbie
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: mattb@plato.ds.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Subject: .emacs file Question??
Reply-To: mattb@plato.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:50:17 GMT

I am trying to setup my .emacs file and I have some lisp
functions I want to include in it.  The problem I am having
is that some of the lisp things I am trying to do don't 
seem to work in the .emacs file, like random and mod.
I need to get a random number between 0 and 25 and it 
seems like no matter what I do I keep getting numbers out
of the range?

What is the lisp the emacs is using and how do I get
any documentation on it??

thanks,  sorry if this is a FAQ!!
matt

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,gnu.emacs.gnews,comp.lang.vhdl
From: afn@.vlsi.auc.dk (Anders Faergemand Nielsen)
Subject: Editors for VHDL code-typing
Originator: afn@porto
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:00:37 GMT

ubject: Editors for vhdl code-typing for unix and dos

I am looking for utilities when typing vhdl code.

EMACS.  
We are using emacs on unix and micro-emacs on pcs.  
I would be interested in control files for vhdl-mode, like latex-
and c-mode etc.

BRIEF 
We use brief on pcs and here we are also interested in macro
definitions for vhdl-mode.


I am looking forward to haer from some of You real hackers, because I
finde vhdvery verbose.


Please send Your reply to: afn@lab.jt.dk or afn@porto.vlsi.auc.dk



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From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Re: Questions about OS2SCAN and OS/2-based AV software in general (OS/
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:40:09 GMT

aryeh@mcafee.com (McAfee Associates) writes:

> >Do you know any way in which a known DOS virus can infect an extended
> >filename on an HPFS partition?

> Nope.  But I myself create directories under OS/2 HPFS with names like 
> "MS-DOS 3.3 Files" and "Today's Downloads" in which I keep normal DOS
> files.  I'm sure other people do as well :-)

Yup, you are right. And there is one more possibility, which I figured
out myself after posting my message. A virus could infect a file with
a short filename and the user could rename it later to an extended
filename. If the scanner does not scan those files, then there is a
danger for reinfection.

Regards,
Vesselin
- -- 
Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev          Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226      Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.1 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de    D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
From: Jean_Vanhove@f108.n321.z9.virnet.bad.se (Jean Vanhove)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: ANTI-tel (PC)
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:50:03 GMT

Hello all,
warning!!! Anti-tel virus found on a local cite in Belgium.  Reading
vsum : status RARE Barcelona June 1991.  Found twice removed with
clean version 97b detected with scan version 89.  No dataloss, partion
table was damaged, but the virus was discovered in an early stade.

Groetjes,
Jean Vanhove
Sysop De Bosbeer 2:292/124  9:321/108

- --- FMail 0.92+
 * Origin: bosbeer is er bij (9:321/108)
From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Re: Viruses in OS/2 HPFS (OS/2)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:53:08 GMT

bjl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Brett J.L. Landry) writes:

> There has been aa lot of talk about OS/2 not being able to be infected
> from regular old DOS boot sector viruses using the HPFS. This is false
> since regular old STONED can infect both logical and physical parttions
> on OS/2 using HPFS.  Why wait for true OS/2 viruses when you can suffer
> from regular DOS viruses.

I don't know what do you call logical and physical partitions on OS/2
using HPFS, but Stoned can infect only one thing - the Master Boot
Record of the hard disk. That is, the sector at track 0, side 0,
sector 1. It can be infected on any IBM PC compatible machine,
regardless whether it runs MS-DOS, OS/2, Unix, or whatever.

Some systems (Unix) may become non-bootable after the infection. On
other systems (OS/2) the virus will be unable to spread further, i.e.
to infect diskettes.

Regards,
Vesselin
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Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226      Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.1 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de    D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
From: bill.lambdin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Bill Lambdin)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Re: Untouchable (PC)
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:05:00 GMT

Quoting from Y. Radai to All About Re: Untouchable (PC) on 12-08-92

YR>   UTSCAN has the ability to examine archives and compressed executa-
YR> bles (recursively), includes one of the better MtE detectors (its

Untouchable does well at scanning archives, abd files compressed with 
PKlite, LZEXE, Diet, and maybe others.

However; I performed some tests with PKlite 1.15 recently. McAfee's Scan 
was able to detect the virus inside the file compressed with PKlite 1.15. 
Untouchable wasn't able to scan inside the file.
 
I hope that UTScan can be updated to work with compressed files created 
with PKlite 1.15 and above.
 
Bill

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 * WinQwk 2.0 a#383 * SURIV 3.0 activates Friday the 13th
From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com (A. Padgett Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: FDISK/MBR - Listen to what I meant, not what I said. (PC)
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:28:08 GMT

Received the following post:

>In Virus-L you (that is I) wrote:
>>>Of course FDISK/MBR will not have *any* effect with any DOS before 
>>5.00 so this may be the cause. 

>Are you sure?  I was under the impression that MS-DOS 5.00 FDISK.EXE's
>/MBR switch would work with any prior version of DOS.

OY. What I meant was *FDISK* from a prior version of DOS would not
recognise the /MBR switch. Certainly if you boot with DOS 5.0 and use
its FDISK, the /MBR switch will work reguardless of which version of
DOS is on the hard disk (or OS/2 or most Unixes for that matter).

					In a fog,

						Padgett
From: rind@enterprise.bih (David Rind)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Joshi Question (PC)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:38:22 GMT

I have a question about the Joshi virus (yes, yesterday was January 5th).

Does Joshi trap attempts at warm reboots?  There was an intermittent
problem with a new program on a computer that turned out
to be infected with Joshi.  The problem was sporadic enough that I
can't be certain that getting rid of Joshi eliminated it, but if
Joshi was trapping Alt-Ctrl-Del, then that would explain the "bug".

I checked the info in F-Prot, and it wasn't that specific, and I'm
not sure where else to check (my impression from reading this group
is that there aren't many reliable sources for descriptions of
specific viruses).  Thanks.

- -- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Archive access without anonymous ftp last changed 11 July 1992
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:03:19 GMT

Archive access without anonymous ftp	last changed 11 July 1992

To get files from the anti-viral archives, you do not need access
to anonymous ftp.  (However, anonymous ftp is generally the preferred
method.)  Below is information on accessing the archive sites using
only email.

                           -=-

The AppleII, Atari ST and IBMPC archives have mail servers which
provide access to their archives.  You may receive automatic updates
of Macintosh anti-viral programs via email.  See the individual articles
on these sites.

                           -=-

One way to get access to the archives is through the BITFTP server
at Princeton.  Send a message to the BITNET address is BITFTP@PUCC
with the body of the message containing the single word HELP.  This
should get you more information, and give you access to any archive
site on the Internet.  Due to excessive loads, this service has been
restricted to BITNET and EARN sites only.  UUCP sites need not apply.

                           -=-

In response to Princeton closing its service to non-BITNET sites,
Digital has made an FTPmail service available.  Send mail to
FTPmail@decwrl.dec.com with the body of the message containing
the word 'help'.  Another site offering this service in Australia
can be reached at the address FTPmail@cs.uow.edu.au.

                           -=-

You may also retrieve files from the SIMTEL-20 and the INFO-MAC
archives by using one of the many mail servers which maintain
a shadow archive of these sites.  Send the following message to one
of the listserv sites.

help

See the IBMPC and Macintosh articles for a complete list of servers.
From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com (A. Padgett Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: FDISK/MBR - Listen to what I meant, not what I said. (PC)
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:24:31 GMT

>you write:
>>>Of course FDISK/MBR will not have *any* effect with any DOS before 
>>5.00 so this may be the cause. 

>Are you sure?  I was under the impression that MS-DOS 5.00 FDISK.EXE's
>/MBR switch would work with any prior version of DOS.

OY. What I meant was *FDISK* from a prior version of DOS would not recognise
the /MBR switch. Certainly if you boot with DOS 5.0 and use its FDISK,
the /MBR switch will work.

					In a fog,

						Padgett
From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com (A. Padgett Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Info on Music Bug virus (PC)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:04:01 GMT

>From:    bill.lambdin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Bill Lambdin)

>The Music Bug virus isn't generally destructive, but the FAT table 
>structure on hard drives gives some weird effects occasionally.

Not quite. The MUSIC-BUG is not *intentionally* destructive however
mistakes do cause damage since this virus makes assumptions about disk
structure that works only on some floppies and on no hard disks.

The virus tries to create a "haven" for its code by searching for
unused sectors and allocating them (six or seven as I recall).
Unfortunately, while the chosen clusters are "safe", in computing the
register values for a cluster/sector translation the M-B makes
mistakes that cause the virus to write to a different set of sectors
which may be in use.

The virus also makes a single byte change to the Boot Parameter Block
which renders removal via SYS C: unusable since the disk becomes
unbootable.  For some time this led to the opinion that recovery was
impossible but most vendors now use a equally simple recovery method
that works (think it took less than 30 bytes).

The most common vector was via a graphics driver disk furnished with
certain computer systems and though the manufacturer was notified, I
have never seen any indication that the disks were withdrawn/replaced.

					Unseasonably warm & humid,

							Padgett
From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com (A. Padgett Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: Re: MS-DOS CHKDSK & VER /R (PC)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:50:52 GMT

From:    bill.lambdin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Bill Lambdin)

>Quoting from A. Padgett Peterson to All About MS-DOS CHKDSK & why VER / on 
>12-20-92

AP> Further, COMP finds no difference between this COMMAND.COM and the on
AP> just expanded from a new set of distribution disks that is dated 11-1

>Just for your information, FC (File Compare) does a better job at 
>comparing files than COMP.

Agree that FC produces a nicer (and unlimited length) output than COMP
but it was designed to compare text files and you have to remember to 
use the /B switch on binaries or the check may terminate on the first 
<EOF> marker. COMP, on the other hand, uses no intelligence, is much
faster, and has worked the same way in all DOS versions. I prefer COMP 
when all that matters is "are the files identical?".

To each his/her/its own.

						Warmly,
							Padgett
From: s3176997@techst02.technion.ac.il (Daphne Rosenhouse)
Newsgroups: comp.virus
Subject: New Virus (PC)
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:52:02 GMT

hi all
Id like to report a new virus/mutation i found
It looks like a variant of te WHALE, but larger, and harder to remove
im researching it and will soon post the results and send  a sample to all 
anti-viral softs programmers...
i just wanted to inform all users on comp.virus and VIRNET.
p.s. do VIRNET users get messages from here too ?
bye