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From: S_ROLDAN%UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
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Subject: Re: UMI newspaper indexes
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:07:39 GMT
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i just received from a vendor a new product:
the new york times in cd-rom only and exclusivly...
quite cheap at that ... i think subscription
(if you are already a print subscriber) would cost you
only 800-900 bucks a year...

if you are interested contact me directly at,

s_roldan@upr1.upr.clu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:34:42 EDT
From:         RHADDEN%USGSRESV.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: what criteria for reference sources?
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This reminds me of the old definition of a reference book- "A reference
book is any book that you need that can't be checked out."
lee hadden
usgs library
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:55:01 EDT
From:         "Ulrike Dieterle -- UW-Platteville Library"
              <DIETERLE%ucs.uwplatt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Dialog Training Schedule: Full Text
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If the consensus , as it seems to be, is that this is okay, then I will
let the folks at Dialog know to send more like it.  Cheers! Diane...
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I like the idea because I often don't get the schedule routed until it's too
late.  Where's the MIDWEST? UD

DIETERLE@UWPLATT.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:18:01 EDT
From:         AXVISPC%UICVMC.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      mail glut
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 Like many readers, I am often short on time and long on interest. I often find
 so many messages in my mailbox that I tend to scan the subject field and just
 delete anything that doesn't seem promising. Tonight I had a few minutes to
 read things recreationally and found that I am a LURKER. (I'd been trashing
 these notes for a while. This is a thinly veiled plea for relevant subjects.)

 I'd also like to share some information an a new book about the Internet:

 Krol, Ed. _The_Whole_Internet:_User's_Guide_&_Catalog. Sebastapol CA: O'Reilly
   & Assoc., Inc., 1992.

 His approach is interdisciplinary. History and development of the Net is
 sketched out in an understandable way. Gopher, WAIS, World-Wide Web, Archie,
 FTP, and connecting are covered. The catalog section is very brief, but tries
 to cover resources of interest to a diverse audience. A good resource for
 people who like to read the manual before they dive in.

 Pat Cline
 Milner Library, Illinois State University
 Bitnet: axvispc@uicvmc
 Internet: plcline@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:18:05 EDT
From:         John Halliday <halliday%henson.cc.wwu.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: No Reference Desk
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When I was tech services librarian at Whitworth College in Spokane, I
encouraged my two professional colleagues to make some drastic service
changes.  After a year of working my share of Reference at the desk in our
lobby, I suggested that putting the desk and catalog upstairs in the
Reference Room made much better service sense.  We did that change.

After a year of watching students go past me looking as if they were still
fogged in about what the library could help them do, I suggested that we
roam the Reference area during our respective shifts.  By
mid-Spring-semester, all three of us were noticing how much more students
would approach us early-on in their assignments rather than the night
before the deadline.

That all occurred in the mid-70s -- I have since lost touch with Whitworth.

Yet, when my colleagues and I began planning the layout of our new
Reference Center here at Whatcom County, my preference was to have a
"Reference Librarian's" pedestal -- a shelving unit containing essential
equipment and writing space at which we could stand when on duty.  One of
my colleagues wanted a counterbehind which we could sit and on/in which
would sit all our readyreference equipment/books.

What we have is a large desk at which we sit, on which reside our Dynix
terminal and telephone, with our ReadyReference shelf within arm's reach,
and our WLN LaserCat PC within a nice roll of the chair.  While we still
have the desk between us and the patron, the spacing is such that we can
flow from behind the desk quite easily to any other point in the Center.

The jury is still out as to the patron-friendliness of this arrangement as
we average just over 5 patrons in person per 7-hour workday.

	James E. Weaver, c/o halliday@henson.cc.wwu.edu
	Reference Librarian, Whatcom County Library System
		vox: 206-733-1250 -- fax:206-384-6303
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From:         QUINN%GONZAGA.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Last comments on lurkers
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How about "ghosts"?

P.S.  Note, no drone here.
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From:         jackie kinder <ILIBP02%UNIVSCVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      patron access to internet
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I am interested in finding out what policies/procedures libraries are
implementing for patron access to the Internet through library computers.
Please respond to me directly and I will summarize for list.  Thanks.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:48:51 EDT
From:         Carl Braun <LIBCFB%SUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      nafta
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A good source for the North American Free Trade Agreement is to
use the ftp protocol to ariel.unm.edu.  It is in a subdirectory
called /pub.  Be advised that this is a very large file.

As an additional source of information I have found that when I
need files out in the "universe" I telnet to "archie.rutgers.edu"
and log on as "archie".  Once you are in, type "prog" and the name
of the file you are looking for.  The computer will search through
ftp sites and tell you where you can find the information you want.

Carl Braun
Business and Economics Librarian
Syracuse University Library
Syracuse, New York
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From: britten@utklib.lib.utk.edu (Bill Britten)
Subject: Position Opening
Organization: University of Tennessee Library
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:00:58 GMT

PROFESSIONAL VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT
FOR BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES REFERENCE LIBRARIAN
THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE, KNOXVILLE LIBRARIES

RESPONSIBILITIES:  The Reference Services Department of the John C. Hodges 
Library is committed to traditional reference service, as well as the 
application of emerging technologies, including networked CD-ROMs, end-user 
searching, and public Internet workstations.  Within the department, this 
position provides comprehensive assistance with an emphasis on biological 
sciences.  Subject-focused liaison activities include extensive database 
searching, collection management, and library instruction.  The Biological 
Sciences Librarian will share general reference desk service with approximately 
20 faculty and staff.  Some evening and weekend service required.  As one of 4 
faculty reporting to the Reference Services Coordinator for Science and 
Technology, the incumbent will contribute to developing and implementing 
services designed for users in these disciplines.

QUALIFICATIONS:  ALA-accredited MLS degree; several years of academic/special 
library experience, applicable to the description and responsibilities outlined 
above, or an additional graduate degree in the sciences; strong service 
orientation; ability to work effectively with faculty, students, and staff; 
excellent communication and interpersonal skills.  Preferred:  Reference 
experience in the biological sciences, including electronic reference sources; 
undergraduate major in the sciences; experience in general reference; 
familiarity with microcomputer applications.

Tenure track position.  Twenty-four days annual leave, tuition remission, usual 
benefits.  Assistant or Associate Professor rank.  Salary:  Assistant Professor: 
$25,000 minimum; Associate Professor: $30,000 minimum.  Send letter of 
application, current resume, and names, addresses, and telephone numbers of 
three recent references to:  Jill Keally, Head, Human Resources, The University 
of Tennessee Libraries, 1015 Volunteer Boulevard, Knoxville, TN  37996-1000.  
Review of applications will begin December 15, 1992, and will continue until the 
position is filled.  UTK IS AN EEO/AA/TITLE IX/SECTION 504/ADA EMPLOYER.


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From:         KWORLEY%WILLIAMS.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Last comments on lurkers
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Bravo, Katy Silberger!  I think that Read-Only Members is a fine and witty
substitution for Lurkers, assuming one is needed.

Karen Worley
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:06:11 EDT
From:         David Fuller <dfuller%eis.CalState.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Last comments on lurkers
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If we are really trying to find a better term than lurker, then I propose
"shadow" which Webster's defines as   3. shelter from danger or observation.

We refer to entities such as shadow-governments without any necessarily
negative connotations. I do not mind being a shadow, since I do fall in
this category. If we continue to use lurker let us then refer to those who
post long pointless messages as "drones".

David Fuller   dfuller@eis.calstate.edu
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:03:14 EDT
From:         Ken Grabach <KGRABACH%MIAMIU.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Last Comments on Lurkers
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I like any term one wants to use for him- or herself.  I agree that lurker
implies some things that probably are not meant by everybody.
However, my understanding of the meaning of any of those terms as used here
is someone who reads mail on a list but doesn't participate.
If one doesn't like being called whatever those people are called, I invited
everyone to participate.  What's the worst thing that can happen.  You'll
get called a bad name if someone disagrees with you!
Can't be so bad if it's happening when you don't participate.
I've had disagreements.  I've also had interesting replies sent individually,
and I'm always rewarded by my own participation.
So I repeat the invite I gave before.  Ask questions, make observations, pass
along opinions.  Join in.  I assure you you won't be sorry.
Ken Grabach  kgrabach@miamiu.bitnet  kgrabach@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, Ohio  45056
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:36:54 EDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART%vmd.cso.uiuc.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Last Comments on Lurkers
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:54:03 EDT <SPOBER%MANVAX.BITNET%Kentvm.Kent.edu@MIZZOU1.m
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>Oh come now.   You really think that "wallflower" is less negative
>than "lurker"?  Here's the relevant definition from one dictionary:
>
Lurker definitely has a more negative connotation in most parts of
the world.

>	"A person, expecially a woman, who does not participate
>	in the activity at a social event because of shyness or
>	unpopularity."
>
>At least "lurker" implies that the people labelled as such are
>not participating from their own choice, not because they are
>being shunned by the active list participants!

The term "OR" in the above definition mean that shyness is a
single acceptable cause of being a wallflower, which is what
the lurkers I have interviewed have led me to believe.

Also, in checking Merriam-Webster from 1949 to 1983 I did not
find any definition as sexist as the one quoted above.
>
>Stacy Pober			spober@manvax.bitnet
>Manhattan College Libraries	spober@manvax.cc.mancol.edu

However, all semantic, political and other misleading reasons aside. . .

the networks should belong to everyone.


Right now only 1% of the population is on the networks. . .
and only about 1% of the people subscribed to most listservers
are writing 50%-70% of the notes for those lists. . .

such a vastly small minority should not be imposing such a great
amount of peer- and non-peer group pressure.


You might notice that these connotative discussion take over the
discussion when people are unwilling to discuss the substantive issues.
=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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From:         "Dawn E. Bergacker" <holly%csn.org@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Russian copy of The Art of War
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              92 4:41 pm

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You might want to try asking the people at Access Russia.
They're a joint venture between Access Innovations and the
Internal Centre for Scientific and Technological Information
in Moscow.  They have a large group of people in Russia
translating the VINITI databases, among other things.

They list document delivery as one of their services.  I
don't know if they could get you a book, but I think they'd
at least give you some helpful advice.

Access Russian (a division of Access Innovations, Inc.)
PO Box 40130,  Albuquerque, NM 87196
phone: (505) 265-3591  fax: (505) 256-1080
Their price sheet lists 1-800-468-3453 for further info.

Dawn E. Bergacker (holly@csn.org)
Imperial Holly Corporation, Colorado Springs
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:35:58 EDT
From:         ninadm%Athena.MIT.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      FURNITURE
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I am looking into furniture for the reference/information desk at the
MIT Humanities Library, and would love to hear from anyone with advice
about what features to look for.  If you've recently bought new
furniture, what works (or doesn't)?  Any opinions, facts, suggestions,
etc. are most enthusiastically welcomed.

Nina Davis-Millis
Associate Humanities Librarian, MIT
ninadm@athena.mit.edu
(617) 253-9354
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Subject: Draft NISO Statistics Standard
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:17:56 GMT
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LIBRARY STATISTICS STANDARD
OUT FOR REVIEW


The national standard for collecting statistics for library and
information centers in the United States, Z39.7-1983, has been
revised and is now available for comment from the National
Information Standards Organization (NISO).  The draft is priced
at $30.  It can be ordered from:  NISO, P.O. Box 1056, Bethesda,
MD  20827.
The standard identifies the data categories that apply to the
four basic types of libraries (academic, public, school, and
special) and provides associated definitions of terms.  The
standard defines the institutional reporting unit and target
population, human resources, collection resources, physical
facilities, finances, service, and activity measures.  The
standard also identifies additional categories that may be
collected by one or more types of libraries.
All interested persons are invited to participate in the review
of this revised standard.  The review period ends January 15,
1993.
The following persons are members of the NISO standards committee
which revised the statistics standard:  Mary Jo Lynch (American
Library Association) and Peter R. Young (National Commission on
Libraries and Information Science), Committee co-Chairs; Tobi
Brimsek (Special Libraries Association), Jan Feye-Stukas
(Minnesota State Library), Dean Hollister (R.R. Bowker Company),
Richard Lyders (Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center
Library), Marilyn Miller (University of North Carolina at
Greensboro), Kendon Stubbs (University of Virginia), Ann Thompson
(Special Libraries Association).

The National Information Standards Organization is accredited by
the American National Standards Institute to develop voluntary
technical standards for the library, information sciences, and
publishing communities.  Fifty standards are now in print and
five standards are scheduled for publication in 1992-93.  NISO is
supported by 61 Voting Members including the American Library
Association, the Special Libraries Association, the Library of
Congress, the American Society for Information Science, Apple
Computer, the National Library of Medicine, the Defense Technical
Information Center, and the Faxon Company.

For more information on NISO's programs and activities contact
the NISO office, 301-975-2814, or write: NISO, P.O. Box 1056,
Bethesda, MD  20827; Internet: NISO@ENH.NIST.GOV
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From:         HENDRIX%ATHENA.DECNET%UTHSCSA.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      reference standards
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We are in the process of updating our reference standards guidelines.  These
standards have been designed to promote professionalism and competence in
service and are important for morale.  We feel that the Information Services
staff is a team, and hope these guidelines can help to further that attitude
Many exciting ideas have come out of this revision, such as continuing
 educationprograms, peer coaching, etc.

We have had a spirited discussion in one area and would like input from others
Our Reference Desk is usually staffed by two people.  How would you deal with
the situation where a coworker at the desk has given /is giving incorrect
or incomplete information to a patron? How is the correct/complete information
relayed to the patron without endangering the professional interaction between
the patron and the staff member?

Ingrid Hendrix
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
HENDRIX@UTHSCSA.EDU
From: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
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Subject: UnCover and Faxon
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:30:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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         I don't subscribe to this list, but I do read it on Usenet from
time to time, and I'm hoping that someone here can help me out, or at least
point me in the right direction. My boss at Interlibrary Loan has asked me 
to try to learn as much as I can about the services UnCover and Faxon.  
Does anyone on the list work for a library which uses one or both of these?  

         What I really need, if possible, is the snail address for the
UnCover service, so I can contact them and ask them for more info.  I
already have the address for Faxon.

         Send help, flames, etc. to me at vern@nauer.cba.csuohio.edu, 
vern@cray.cba.csuohio.edu, or just reply to the address in the header.
Thank you very much!
-- 
     Vern Morrison               ______________________________________    
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