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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: More of Nathan being Depressed. (feel free to skip this)
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:06:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.133520.7089@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.234912.6786@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> rkoch@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ruth M. Koch) writes:
>>  I'm feeling like I don't belong in.  Mostly what I feel
>>  is intimidated by the other Callahaners.
>>
>>  I don't often post to threads because my opinion is often
>>  more throughly explained by someone else than I could do
>>  myself.  Or I don't know enough about the subject matter
>>  to form an opinion one way or the other.  (Here, I'm thinking
>>  about the StM/Nightstalker thread.  I'm pretty much an agnostic,
>>  raised without religion.  When I do think about religion, I
>>  tend to lean towards paganism.)
>>
>>  I just don't feel all that comfortable here.  I thought I would.
>>  I'm probably just exagerating things way out of proportion, and
>>  tomorrow I will feel totally different.  But, then again, maybe not.
>>  nathan.
>
>
>       Hmmmm.  It's taken me days to get to replying to this, and I am still
>not sure how to reply.
>
>     If you don't feel like you are the best or brightest debator on 
>Callahans, you shouldn't worry.  I don't think I've ever seen Didi debate
>people on anything, yet she seems to be well loved by all.

StM interjects, "Hell, Didi dosn't debate; she doesn't have to.  You can't win
an argument with a sprite (it's a spritely attribute).  She just tells me, from
time to time, that it's time to wish somebody a happy birthday, and I do so
:-).  But really, alt.callahans isn't normally very serious.  If you don't want
to debate, you don't have to (and the invocation of her safe word by one
Callahanian has put the kibosh [as far as I'm concerned, anyway] on religious
discussions [if you'd like to continue religious discussions, I'll set up a
mailing list called CLHN_REL [sorry for it being so cryptic, but BITnet sites
can't handle usernames of over 8 characters] on SOL1 where such a discussion
can continue in private;  After the dust settles, I'll post a summary to the
group IF AND ONLY IF we can get unanimous agreement on a summary).

>     And if you can't make the most beautiful posts, either to sing your
>happiness to the world, or to cheer up that person you know is unhappy,
>well. . . there's a mule I'm fond of quoting who says the following:
>    "Well, I'm not very bright, but it seems to me that, while there's a 
>strongest person on a tug of war team, if you take  away ANYONE from the 
>team, they still lose."

StM asks, "Four legs good, two legs better?  Or are you talking about Eyore?
Or perhaps Frances?  If none of the above, how can I find out about this
particular talking mule? (Trivia question:  Who was the voice for Frances, the
talking mule?)"
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Pi is Three?
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.125015.14902@ucc.su.OZ.AU> pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
}In article <1992Jul21.111654.13013@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer) writes:

}>      "How I want a drink, alcoholic, of course, after the heavy lectures 
}>involving quantum mechanics."
}
}"I should have thought that before would have been useful as well," pipes
}in The Nightstalker.  To Dirac, Schroedinger and Heisenberg (who may have
}been here!)."

"Now, _there's_ an interesting approach to the existence of God problem:

"God both does and does not exist until such time as we discover a way to
prove one contention or the other.  At that point, the probability wave
collapses and the correct state is assumed.

"I think I'll call it the "Schroedinger Heresy." (-:{

"That also leads to an answer to the paradox 'Can God create a boulder
so big that God can't lift it?'  I suspect, upon investigation, we'd find
that we can measure either God's strength or God's creativity, but not
both simultaneously (apologies to Heisenberg (-: ).

"Is Einstein turning in his grave yet?" (-:{

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:22:39 GMT

In article <Bs039K.A9p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>in fact...they can say what they like about the male birth control
>pill, but i wouldn't believe a man who said he was on one...or a man
>who said he had a vasectomy...(unless he could show me a signed
>certificate from the doctor AND the scar)

I'm afraid you're a bit behind the times.  The Chinese recently announced a
procedure that doesn't use a scalpel.  I don't know the details though.
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Why I react the way I do to some...
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:48:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.060809.21617@cco.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:

}Science tries to prove its evidence ...

"Not quite.  Science tries to _disprove_ its evidence.  That's a subtle,
but _very_ important distinction.  For science to even accept a theory as
worthy of consideration it must be inherently disprovable.  Note that the
existence of God does not meet this basic criterion.

"That's the distinction that separates science from faith.  The faithful
only seek evidence to support their position.  They never seek to disprove
it and would consider it blasphemous to do so.  Science constantly tests
and attempts to disprove what it knows in its quest for better
understanding of what is."

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
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From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.235232.21519@cco.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:

>Nathan quotes P'relan:

>>>I don't know about that one though I do wonder sometimes about the impressions
>>>you get of Ohio from movies. Let's see...we have transsexual aliens (The Rocky
>>>Horror Picture Show is set in Denton, OH - look closely and the newspaper
>>>Janet's holding over her head is a Cleveland Plain Dealer)..and there's always
>>>the impressions you get from _Heathers_ ("Mineral water? They were fags!")...
>>>Unfortunately it tends to be somewhat more normal in RL...

>> Sir, I don't know whether to be offended by this or not.
>> What does this mean?
>> Was your intent to say that Ohio is more open-minded than Brad and
>> Janet in _ RHPS_, and the sheriffs in _Heathers_?

>I suspect that he was trying to say that, walking down the street in Ohio, you
>are unlikely to run into transsexual aliens or (not having seen Heathers, I'll
>go by your comments) parahoid homophobic sherrifs.  These two views of Ohio are
>reasonably opposite, but both wierd, and thus he was describing a continuum of
>wierdness that seems unlikely to show up in ohio (or at least, no more likely
>that elsewhere).         

>Wait a second.  Kitten lives in Ohio ...  Well then, the scenes from the
>Rocky Horror Picture Show *are* more likely to get replayed there than 
>elsewhere.  =8)

>Anyway, Nathan, what did he say that could be seen as offensive?  I don't see
>anything ...

I don't know about it being unlikely... I mean, where else can you find 
something like my family and all our friends? I know so many wierd people    
I've almost forgotten what normal is like. I don't miss it. Normal has got 
to be pretty boring. 

It's because of the complete Ohio image of pretty tree lined streets in 
small towns only fifteen miles away from the family farm. It's so nice and 
normal and sane and nonexistent, at least for most of us. The contradiction 
starts working on you as soon as you get here and soon you're as loony as 
the resy of us! (maniacal laughter)
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Bernadette M. Sacksteder       Here comes your father!
Bsackste@afit.af.mil                -William Shakespeare
                                            Henry V
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You mean somebody actually CARES about my opinions?
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From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: The New Kid
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:18:05 GMT

The New Kid peers uncertainly in the sudden light after her dark corner. 
She clears her throat.
"Ahem. Yeah, I'm another unlurker(sp?). There seem to be a lot of us lately. 
In Real Life I'm Bernadette Sacksteder, a summer worker at the local Air 
Force Base near Dayton, Ohio. I work at a computer help desk, or pretend to 
anyway.:-)"
She walks up to the bar, pulling a crumpled bill out of her pocket.
"Uh, Mike, could I have a Lemon Sling?"
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Bernadette M. Sacksteder       Here comes your father!
Bsackste@afit.af.mil                -William Shakespeare
                                            Henry V
__________________________________________________________________
You mean somebody actually CARES about my opinions?
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From: SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin)
Subject: Re: Pornography and Playboy
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205635.2675@midway.uchicago.edu>,
moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.202238.28738@news.iastate.edu> SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin) writes:
>
>>Do they put pictures in Harlequins, these days?  But that's beside
>>the point.  I don't *know* any women who by Playgirl.  As a woman,
>>I can't understand  the point men see in reading Playboy, but
>>I am more inclined to think bad thoughts about the women who
>>pose, rather than the men who look at them (perhaps wrongly).

Wow, I was into saying controversial things yesterday, wasn't I?
;-)

>I don't really understand why you think bad thoughts about the women
>who pose.  Unless they were forced into it (not likely for Playboy,
>but certainly happening in related porn areas), they are simply making
>a choice about what areas of their bodies they choose to display.  Are
>they any worse than the typical model on the cover of Vogue or
>Seventeen?  And if they were forced into it, why blame them?

I *do* think that men have a tendency to look at women as objects.
I don't necessarily consider pornography as immoral (unless it
involves serious violence), but I *do* feel that it encourages
men (women) to look on women (men) as objects.  Lots of
people dispute that claim:  "I look at playboy and I don't
consider my wife to be an object."  Well, this is a can
of worms I don't care to get into.  Let's just say that I don't
think that you can always control influences to your self-conscious,
and that I think that pornography encourages the dehumanization
of other people.  Given that this is my *belief*, I then feel that
women who pose for such magazines are doing themselves and their
fellow women a disfavor by contributing to this dehumanization.

*HOWEVER*, this is my belief and the reason why I do not look at
women (and men) who pose in a good light.  I am not about to argue
anyone who feels differently.

Now, if you *really* want to get into an interesting discussion,
let's talk about the difference between pornography and art :-).
I have actually sculpted nudes in ceramic.  My purpose, however,
was not to arouse, but rather to understand the human form.
When I did such sculpting, I went into another "conscious level"
(don't laugh, it actually happens!), where I was not really even
aware that the person before me was nude -- he/she was just a
flowing series of shapes of which I was trying to capture the
essence.

The purpose of pornography, on the other hand, is to arouse, in
a very impersonal way -- at no social or emotional risk.  But there
are some works of art that are erotic, and any nude art can be
considered erotic by the extremely conservative.
Where to draw the line?  Well, you don't.  Just because I
do not condone obvious pornography, like skin magazines, doesn't
mean I have *any* desire to censor it.  I'm happy to let other
people judge what they want to look at.

--Marie
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From: neilb@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Bellman)
Subject: Re: The Nightstalker makes an observation
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:32:00 GMT

>						  There is no 'more or less'
>with eyewitness accounts, with documented history.  Are you not seeing the
>forest for the trees.  You may say it is convenient for me to take what I like

The Bellman looks slighly amused at this comment and decides to take the 
whole thread completely off the topic.

Eyewitness accounts are very "more or less". How many eye-witness accounts
are there of Indian Fakis climbing up ropes, etc. Or even take three of
more eye-witness to a crime and they will probably have contridicting
versions (at least that is before they are coached by the Police).

The whole fun of histrory is trying to decide what actually happened,
and generally the more documented a period is, the more arguements there
will be.

While I am here I might at least say 2 things
a) Hi to Didi, Kitten, Spacey Nick and everybody else I know here

b) As a committed christian my own view about whether the bible says
Pi is Three is "who gives a fuck" if you will pardon the language

bye

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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: RenFaire this Saturday! (for anybody near Chicago)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:54:55 GMT

kateri:

>	Okay, this is an invitation to all and sundry to help me celebrate
>my 21st birthday by going to the Bristol Renaissance Faire this coming
>Saturday.
>	

"ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh," says kitten...."a renaissance birthday
party....can anybody play happy birthday on a lute :)...

happy birthday hugs...."

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: A return
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:52:37 GMT

In article <Bry33q.7Lu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
(Barbara Trumpinski) writes: 
>and i tend toward cold hands and COLD feet...(my feet have ALMOST 
>gotten me kicked out of bed on occasion...that's why i sleep in sox 
>(like the fox) in winter." 

StM (rather predictably) says, "You know, that's one of the symptoms....
I know, I know, this gets rather tiresome.  But, Barbara, have you ever asked a
doctor about this?  I STILL (after having been diagnosed [and treated] as a
diabetic) don't know why my temperature tends to average about 2 degrees
Fahrenheit below average).
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850)
Subject: Re: a stranger appears!
Summary: Welcome!
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Distribution: alt.callahans
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:53:57 GMT

In article <199220.1202.13035@dosgate> "dalton spence"
<dalton.spence@canrem.com> writes:
>A stranger approaches the door to the place.  He's heard a lot about
>it, not only from the tr..<AHEM> three books from Spider R., but
>from the GURPS Callahan's supplement (where he got this address,
>BTW).  He is eager to introduce himself to the regulars, but he's
>not too sure about protocol.  The LAST time he tried to "join the
>party", for some reason his (rather clever) message got lost in the
>winds of cyberspace.  So he opens the door, hoping to ask one of the
>(most excellent) patrons for advice.  A silent tableau meets his
>puzzled eyes.  "Darn it," he says, "I thought that party was
>supposed to be over by now!"  He toddles over to the french doors,
>and, taking a deep breath, takes his rather portly frame over the
>threshold.  Blinking at the suddenly bright sunshine, he takes off
>his jacket, folds it carefully over his arm, and wanders down to
>where things seem to be happening.  When no one immediately notices
>this rather ordinary looking fellow standing at the fringes of the
>merriment, he mutters a rather loud <AHEM>, and asks "Is this a
>private party, or can anyone join in?"  He waits silently for
>someone to answer.
SEA notices the new friend standing at the fringes and walks up to
him:  "Welcome, Dalton!  Everyone's welcome to join our party in
the meadow..right Didi, kitten, Lord Galdrin, Nick, Dreamy Jim,
John, everybody?  If you like swimming, there's a water slide and
pool over there, dancing over there (or should I say up there),
food and games everywhere and people who will make you feel welcome.
A hug if you'd like one and welcome again!"

SEA

Stephanie Alford			.sig line on vacation,
salford@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com  	maybe if you ask nicely
or				 	it'll send you a postcard
lunisea@netcom.com
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:43:49 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera

In article <1992Jul26.013247.8947@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, ssnodgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Steve Snodgrass) writes:
>> I have been lurking for a few days trying to decide if I should post
>> again...It seems like years since I have been here. Hello Tigger and Aahz
>> and anyone else who remembers me :) I just thought I would share some good
>> news.  Remember that vampire I was always hanging around...Yber...
>> Well about two months ago..May 15th to be exact we got married... :)
>> We are still at A&M. He is still himself. And I am still very excited to be
>> his wife:).  I guess I will just hang around here again... I miss this
>> place :).
>
>"Cindy!  Welcome back.  I had heard you'd been married.  Congratulations!
> I hope all is going well."
>
>"I don't post here too often but my email box is always open."

StM asks, as another trivia question, "Speaking of wives, who was it that said,
``As for a wife, that most interesting specimen in the whole series of
vertebrate animals, Providence only know[s] whether I shall ever capture one or
be able to feed her if caught.''  (Note:  Abner/Tizrak is disqualified from
this trivia question, as are DeadRunner and Skeeve).  First person to correctly
attribute the quote gets one night of drinks on me."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: HF.TXG@forsythe.stanford.edu (TJ)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:17:51 GMT

>
>that is the thing that SCARES me the about rape .... besides the fact
>that it is a violent act (not sex) [rape fantasy is not the same thing
>john.  we could discuss that later]  if i were fertile i would not be
>in control of the possibility of pregnancy...and i would not be in
>control of the possibility of disease
>
>now, this might make me sound bad...i have never been terribly
>promiscuous...not a slut...but i also don't embrace celibacy as a life
>style (well, once...but that is another story)...i ADMIRE people who
>are more controlled about their sex lives...but ....
>
>even now...if i was to have sex with someone other than my husband
>(and this is theoretical) i would INSIST on a condom ....but i don't
>carry one either....
>
>...i am rambling...
>
>i am not criticizing you abner...NEVER.  and you are doing what is
>right for YOU..  but i can see where space cadet is coming from...
>and i sort of have to agree with him...."
>
>kitten looks down off the top of a mountain of soap boxes...hoping
>somebody will catch her if she jumps.
>
I'm here, I'm here...Oh dear, just a thought,I haven't worked out in
a while so while I may not be able to catch you I will at least
provide a soft cushion for you to land on :>

I just wanted to say that I agree...Abner, you must do what you
think is best for you, however I wouldn't leave home without one
personally. (it's snuggled in my wallet right next to the
'buy-two-get-one-free' card I have for the place I buy my hair dye)
I don't sleep around, especially with someone I just met, but ya
never know what could happen...besides, a woman friend of my mom's
was raped fairly recently and she was able to talk him into letting
her put one on him, you can't do that if one isn't handy.

TJ braces her legs and puts her arms out. "Ready Kitten?"

TJ
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From: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Subject: Ramda and Cameron - Naughty Naughty
Reply-To: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:49:06 GMT

	After Cameron sees Ramda make fun with the Sprite clothes, 
Cameron starts to giggle.  He wanders over to the meadow where Didi
has covered herself quite eloquently with Nathan's help.

	"So, Didi-Sprite," he says, "I guess that was the top story
in the nightly nudes?"

	Somehow, peanuts fly through the X window and forces Cameron
to jump in the lake to get away from them.  He climbs out, dripping.
He then sees Ramda holding a basket of peanuts.

	"Ramda, you GIT!"

	"Tee-hee-I'm-just-a-rolypoly-teddy-bear!" 

	Grant walks in to separate the two bears should the need arise.
He dries off Cameron and warns him again against making ludicrous jokes
like that, but he expects that Cameron isn't listening.
From: sj_a107@titan.kingston.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: The Fall of Logos.DIR
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:06:13 GMT
Organization: Kingston University

The ceiling parts politely, and a figure in white descends at speed, 
hitting the floor with a THWACK!  There is something in the quality of
the descent (possibly that the figure remained rigid and motionless, 
straight and parallel to the floor, landing on his back) that deprives
it of any violence or horror.

"But then again, it isn't the fall that kills you, it's when you hit 
 the ground. And I still appear to be alive."

Logos picks himself up.

"That's the first drop out of the way. Our wonderful new super-efficient
 deregistering system has failed to erase my accounts. No doubt it will
 be done eventually, but I can make posts while the Sun shines. Also, I 
 have managed to move my sights from degree-passing to other vistas.
 The ground may be snatched from under my feet again, but until that
 time..... I'm all right."

He walks over to the bar, secures a glass of pear juice, #INCLUDE 
synonym_for_foot_travel to the chalk line, and drinks. 

"To the future - mine and all people's - may it be bright!"  <CRASH!>



Sig deleted, you know who I am.....
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