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From: florence@infonode.ingr.com (John Florence)
Subject: Re: coin collection
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:37:20 GMT

In article <NACHO.92Dec14111826@dec5120h.ccs.northeastern.edu>, 
nacho@dec5120h.ccs.northeastern.edu (Nacho Silva-Lepe) writes:
> 
>    Sara
>    sheltons@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> 
> I am not an authority in the field either. A couple of things come to mind.
> 
> -  1943 pennies were not made of copper but of steel, to save the copper for
> the war.

		MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SO RARE     8*{)

	O.K. Guys/Gals....did I beat everyone to the punch ???   8{)

-- 
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   Intergraph Corp.     **** and mine alone. ****
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Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: sbambara@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Stephen Bambara)
Subject: coins
Originator: sbambara@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:50:05 GMT

Sara,
	All the advice posted was good.  If you want a feel for how
valuable the collection is before you go for the appraisal, you could
look at the publications: Coins (monthly) $19.95/yr.
			  Coin Prices (bimonthly) $16.95/yr.
Both are available from Krause Publications, 700 E. State St., Iola, WI
						zip 54990-0001
	You can also check your coins against a dealer's price list.
I might also suggest you attend a coin show to see what goes on and
develop a feel for the people who are interested in coins.  You may
learn a lot.  For an idea of the next nearby coin show, call a coin shop
listed in the Yellow Pages, or Gene Haberstich (219) 533-1887.  There
are frequent shows in FT. Wayne and South Bend, at the least.
-- 
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     Stephen Bambara                 phone (919) 515-3140 
     Box 7626                        fax   (919) 515-7746
     Raleigh, NC 27695               internet sbambara@ent.ncsu.edu
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Antique Databases
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:08:16 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

Do any of the dialup services (Compuserve, Genie, etc.) have an online
antique price database?  

How about CDROMS?
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: New Orleans Casino
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:09:08 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Plans for the Caesar's World operated casino in New Orleans
call for 200,000 square feet of gaming area.  It will accomodate
about 7000 slots and 370 gaming tables, according to an article in the 
latest issue of Hotel and Motel Management.  Expected opening 
is late 1994 or early 95.

Sam
From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Recent AC trip
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:36:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Went down to A.C. for about 5-6 hours on Monday night. Most of the casinos
were pretty empty, likely due in part to the big storm that took
place about a week ago. Anyway, an interesting experience at Caesar's:
My roommate and I were playing BJ when the dealer took my roommate's
cards and chips even though both had 17 [My roommate is still new to the
game]. So guy looks at cards, calls pit boss over, and gives back his
chip. Two hands later, same thing happens. Both dealer and roommate push
but dealer tried to take chip. Next hand, both roommate and I win on
ridiculous hands [ie: we both had about 4-5 cards totalling around 18-19
to the dealer's 17. Dealer says:"Geez, you guyz trying to put me to sleep
here." 
Overall, it just seemed very wierd the way dealer was acting. I mean,
after all, I don't think it reflects well on him that the pit boss had
to come over a few times in the span of 2-3 minutes cause he messed up.
Just thought it was interesting.....
Bill
-- 
Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: messiah@nevada.edu (mw)
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:56:47 GMT

In article <1goknqINNchr@fido.asd.sgi.com> hashimoto@sgi.com (Roy Hashimoto) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.193839.21512@walter.bellcore.com> jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg) writes:

>Roy Hashimoto
>hashimoto@sgi.com
>
>P.S.  As an idea for the next tournament, perhaps we could post the players'
>mean and median response times with the standings.  Then instead of random
>draws for seating in the next round, we could organize it by response time,
>putting the faster players together and the slower players together.


That's a great idea. 

 
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From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

Selection for the week


** OVER 37-  in Monday Night's Raiders vs Miami game


Bet with your head, not over it.




Last Week  3-0  + 3.0 Units   Season 36-20  + 13.6 Units

* Atlanta + 10  over NEW ORLEANS  W 14-22
* Florida + 10- over ALABAMA      W 21-28  
* DENVER  +  7  over Dallas       W 27-31


Recommended money management would be to wager %1-%1.5 of a mythical
bankroll per star.
---
 . DeLuxe. 1.21 #11688 . al.sorhaindo@execnet.com
From: jjvbl@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (John V. Blzka)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:20:34 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

In article <BzDD32.AHz@world.std.com> ahmcs@world.std.com (Alan H Mintz) writes:
>Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
>
>>From: ahmcs@world.std.com (Alan H Mintz)
>>Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
>>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:05:06 GMT
>
>>> (Quotes me)
>
>>> One thing's for sure, though. If you time out more than twice and your
>>> machine isn't directly connected to the Internet, you're almost 
>>> guaranteed to fall into an inescapable downward spiral of timeouts.
>
>>So your argument is that since you often can't respond in time, we
>>should all be willing to suffer a slower game.  
>
>No. 
>
>>Or, are you saying that
>>there were one-time problems that won't recur & if you just got your
>>12-hour timeout back, everything would be peachy?
>
>Yes. Part of the problem with a shortened timeout is that you never
>really know when your timeout is, unless you are sitting there waiting 
>for your mail (and then it wouldn't matter anyway). For example, you can
>look at the first message of a new hand, see a timeout of tomorrow morning, yet
>the timeout when it gets to you will be late today instead.
>-- 
>< Alan H. Mintz | alan@mq.mq.com      | ...!uunet!ahmcs!mq!alan  BEST PATH >
><            OR | ahmcs@world.std.com | ...!uunet!world.std.com!ahmcs      >

So, I guess we won't be seeing you at the final table ;)

-- 
===================================================================
John Blyzka                      | jjvbl@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com
"the BLITZ"                      | "only the good die young"
 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Nicknames for various points in Craps
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:38:33 GMT

Okay, I know a point of four is known as "Little Joe," and a point of ten
is "Big Dick," but how are the others called? I forgot.

BTW, while they're not exactly points, I know already that 2 is "Snake Eyes,"
3 is "Cock-Eyes," and 12 is "Box Cars."

Thank you in advance for your assistance. I need this information for a
"research project."

==Doctor FORTRAN

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jmh@athena.mit.edu (J Michael Hammond)
Subject: Re: Nicknames for various points in Craps
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.101132.7345@nevada.edu> messiah@nevada.edu (mw) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.030359.4114@novell.com> barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall) writes:
>>In <1992Dec18.223833.10032@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:
>>
>>>Okay, I know a point of four is known as "Little Joe," and a point of ten
>>>is "Big Dick," but how are the others called? I forgot.
>
>>>BTW, while they're not exactly points, I know already that 2 is "Snake Eyes,"
>>>3 is "Cock-Eyes," and 12 is "Box Cars."
>>>Thank you in advance for your assistance. I need this information for a
>>>"research project."
>>>==Doctor FORTRAN
>
>>Research project, huh????
>>Seven is often known as "red", but that's really not a point either.
>>Snake-eyes is also known as "my mother-in-law's eyes". Heard in both
>>Reno and Tahoe, and some in Vegas.
>>Haven't heard too many others, though...
>>+ Barrey Jewall
>>+ barrey@novell.com
>
>Well there's the one that's almost too obvious to mention and that's 
>"yo" for yo-leven (or eleven), and there's also another one that I've 
>heard before for the hard six (i.e. 3,3), and that's "book ends." 
>

This doesn't quite qualify as a 'nickname' per se, but the Standard
Stickman Patter for 9 is "9, center field 9."

--JMike
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
Subject: RSSM Results
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:31:49 GMT

        Could anyone who has had some success using the RSSM method
for roulette in Las Vegas please post their results?
        Rabinowitz method roulette players have been known to "clean out" 
several of the strip casinos but I can understand how they and the casino 
operators would want to keep it rather quiet.
        BTW has anyone had any luck using this method on a Baccarat 
table?
        The same principals apply!

s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: CFD: Creation of Rec.Gambling.Lottery
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:04:18 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <1992Dec15.200458.29318@mis.mi04.zds.com> mweiss@mis.mi04.zds.com (Mitchell Weiss) writes:
>The only issue is how much of a disadvantage.

The payout is generally ~$1m for a game with odds of ~40m:1,
but because of all the sub-payments (3, 4, or 5 numbers
out of 6, e.g.) the EV is more like 0.5.

That is, The state takes 40-60% OFF THE TOP of the money wagered.

The best a casino does is 16%; and it's typically less than
4% for BJ.

>And, if you don't think
>that the casino's are paying taxes ...  

Heh, heh, heh.

Not nearly as much as you think, and they're politically
powerful enough that they should count state tax payments
as INCOME for federal tax purposes.

				--Blair
				  "Wish I could get a guaranteed
				   4% return on EVERYONE ELSE's
				   spending habits..."
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: CFD: Creation of Rec.Gambling.Lottery
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:41:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Dec10.144434.24016@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

Maybe the proposed "rec.gambling.lottery" should be renamed :
"rec.gambling.stupidity_tax"...

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:36:27 GMT

From: ahmcs@world.std.com (Alan H Mintz)
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:05:06 GMT

> (Quotes me)

> Ever have your mail system fail without warning, or knowledge of it
> for 2 days? Ever have your host's hardware upgrade take an extra day
> to get mail connections going again and have no way of sending
> in a vacation command? I guess not.

We're all subject to mail system failures (even me, so you guess wrong).
 When you time out due to one of these failures (or for any reason),
you're automatically put on vacation, so you won't continually time out.

> Maybe these aren't good excuses and I'm the one that's all wrong on
the subject.

Ahhh .... you did understand my point.

> One thing's for sure, though. If you time out more than twice and your
> machine isn't directly connected to the Internet, you're almost 
> guaranteed to fall into an inescapable downward spiral of timeouts.

So your argument is that since you often can't respond in time, we
should all be willing to suffer a slower game.  Or, are you saying that
there were one-time problems that won't recur & if you just got your
12-hour timeout back, everything would be peachy?

JR, the Younger
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:54:57 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

Interesting game.

The only way to win
is not to play.

				--Blair
				  "Gimme a WOPR with cheese..."
From: jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:53:04 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg) writes:

> So your argument is that since you often can't respond in time, we
> should all be willing to suffer a slower game.  Or, are you saying that
> there were one-time problems that won't recur & if you just got your
> 12-hour timeout back, everything would be peachy?

I'm going to have to go along with Jonathan here.  It doesn't make
sense to introduce a new rule that will slow-up a tournament that is
currently moving at glacial speeds.  In poker, sometimes you're lucky
and get good cards, sometimes bad cards.  That's the nature of poker.
If by some stroke of fate you get hosed by the network, well, them's
the breaks.  Maybe that's just the nature of a network tournament.

One must feel sorry for those that suffer such a misfortune, but it's
for the greater good of all players that those that slow up the game
through neglect are eliminated by the timeouts.  Hard line, but hey
we're all tough poker players right?

James.

P.S.  Maybe one really serious player who gets timed out too
many times due to network hick-ups will write an automated reply program
to analyse your hole cards, the bets, and listen for mail for
you and make your bets for you (given some set of criteria or
instructions on how specifically to act in the current round.)
Then we can all get copies of it and really speed up the game!
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: an2052@anon.penet.fi
Subject: insurance correlation
X-Anonymously-To: rec.gambling
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:32:00 GMT


  If a count has a 100% insurance correlation IC and another has a
75% IC, how many more insurance decisions would be expected to be
correct in one count vs the other?  Or, if two counts were the same
(PE and BC) execpt for IC, one had a 79% IC vs a 74%, how much of
an advantage would this trade off as?


Thanks

                                     
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From: an2052@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Playing Effic. calc. How?
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:28:00 GMT


How is the Playing Efficiency calculation calculated?  Could you
give an example for a count---say Uston APC (I use this because it
has a different number just about for every card, but if there is a
better count to use as an example, please use that instead).

2 3 4 5 6 7 8  9 10 A
1 2 2 3 2 2 1 -1 -1 0

Thanks

                                     
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From: hashimoto@sgi.com (Roy Hashimoto)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:22:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sideout.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec15.193839.21512@walter.bellcore.com> jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg) writes:
>> I would like to propose that timed-out players be allowed to "earn back" their
>> timeout hours with things like advance actions and so-many-hands-without-a-
>> timeout. 
>
>I put in a strong vote for NOT allowing any way to increase timeouts.

I agree with Jonathan that timeouts should not be increased.  It seems
somewhat strange that the reward for expedited play should be the ability
to create slower play.

With the current timeout policy, you must check your mail at least once
every timeout period during the office hours of 9-9 ET.  That means that
even if you have already timed out twice, and are down to a timeout of
eight hours, you need only check your mail twice a day.  For the sake
of keeping the game going, this does not seem unreasonable to me.

Mail delays are unavoidable and unforseeable, and I sympathize with those
who are penalized because of them.  However, after 72 days, some tables
have completed only 16 hands.  If these tables are subjected to accelerated
antes and blinds to catch up, players who have never timed out may wind
up with the short stick.

I would encourage those who experience a network problem to notify the
floorman and the table through an alternate route.  My guess is that
the majority of us have friends who could get mail through in such an
instance.  At the least, this would provide documentation that a timeout
was not the fault of the player.

Roy Hashimoto
hashimoto@sgi.com

P.S.  As an idea for the next tournament, perhaps we could post the players'
mean and median response times with the standings.  Then instead of random
draws for seating in the next round, we could organize it by response time,
putting the faster players together and the slower players together.
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: New Orleans Casino
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:36:27 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfalfa.intel.com

In article <1992Dec14.150908.4610@admin1.memst.edu> sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu writes:
>Plans for the Caesar's World operated casino in New Orleans
>call for 200,000 square feet of gaming area.  It will accomodate
>about 7000 slots and 370 gaming tables, according to an article in the 
>latest issue of Hotel and Motel Management.  Expected opening 
>is late 1994 or early 95.

I'm sorry, but that's fucking HUGE.

Like twice the size of the Mirage, and with three
times the pit-space.

Like maybe bigger even than Caesar's.

Is this place intended to have real gambling; i.e.,
no limits other than those imposed by the management?
(cf. riverboat "gambling" up the Missip)

				--Blair
				  "No room at the inn my Aunt Jesus!"
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: nhuang@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe Bennett)
Subject: Re: BJ: 6 deck strategies
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:29:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193812.25910@microsoft.com> ajayj@microsoft.com (Ajay Jindal) writes:
>Which of following books cover basic strategy and counting strategies for
>6 deck blackjack games:
>
>BlackBelt in BJ
>World's Greatest BJ book
>Professional BJ
>
>I want to get them because they seem to have reasonable counting strategies
>in them based on the info in the FAQ.  I already have BJ as a Business and
>aside from a Basic Strategy chart for 4+ decks, the rest of the book seems
>to deal with only single deck games.  Does anyone know what changes should
>be made to the chart for the Revere PM counting strategy if you're using
>6 decks?
>
IMO, it does not matter how many decks there are, as long as you keep tracks of
the TRUE COUNT, you are in excellent condition.  True count is computed as 
follows:

True count= running count / remaining decks.

The trick here is learn to estimate remaining decks.  Buy six decks of cards
and start practicing. :-)

>Also, does hit soft 17 have any affect on the basic strategy?
>
A lot of books tell you to hit on soft 17 ALWAYS.  I found this to be a
good advice.

>How likely is it to find single deck games where counting strategies are
>effective?  Games where they don't shuffle after every hand or continually
>shuffle cards back into the deck using a machine.
>
I have gambled in LV, Reno, and Lake Tahoe.  I have never have problem finding
a single deck table.  I have never seen one in Atlantic City though.
>

Nick Huang
nhuang@pcocd2.intel.comc
-- 




Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mhall@netcom.com (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: BJ: 6 deck strategies
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:07:41 GMT

In article <JACOBS.92Dec16085510@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>In article <BzC4HJ.A82@hfglobe.intel.com> nhuang@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.193812.25910@microsoft.com> ajayj@microsoft.com (Ajay Jindal) writes:
>>>Which of following books cover basic strategy and counting strategies for
>>>6 deck blackjack games:
>>>
>>>BlackBelt in BJ
>>>World's Greatest BJ book
>>>Professional BJ

No one has responded to this particular question.  IMHO, World's
Greatest BJ book is not appropriate for 6 deck blackjack games (or
even the nearly equivalent 4 deck blackjack games covered in this book),
because Hi-Opt I requires a side count of aces, which is a real
bitch on shoes!  Both Blackbelt in BJ and Professional BJ cover simple
and complex counting systems that include aces in the main count.  If you
want super-simple, then use the Red 7's count in Blackbelt in BJ.  If you
want the most effective, use Wong Halves in Professional BJ (it has a higher
betting correlation than Zen, which has a higher playing efficiency, which
is irrelevant on shoes.)  All these systems will also work well for single
or double deck.

-- 
Michael Hall   \ Yep, I opened up a netcom account.  I still have my account
personal account\ at arc.nasa.gov.  Other than a little FBI raid, everything
mhall@netcom.com \ is fine at NASA, don't worry.  Note it's mhall, not hall.
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