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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re:Prong (punned to death)...Best New (to me) Band (1991)
Originator: cmgeorg@c00551-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:20:05 GMT


|> 
|>> If you want to hear and even better album, buy BEG TO DIFFER.  Pushead  
|>> (Zorlac,Metallica) did the cover, as with Prove You Wrong...Kick Fucking  
|>> Ass record. This is their 1st album.  To tell you the truth, I thought the  
|>> new album was complete shit compaired to this...I know you will love  
|>> it!!!!!!!!!!    Later days        bryanj

As far as I can remember "Force Fed" is their first album.  Recently I have seen
an album out called "Primitive Origins".  To me this looks like it may a re-
release of even older stuff than FF (I haven't looked at it though because their
pre-"Beg.." stuff doesn't really excite me.)

They don't sell this anymore, but on the compilation "Speed Metal Hell, Vol 3",
there's a song by the boys called "Disbelief"  and to join in on the already
overdone puns..... 

Well, lets just say that it's like trying to relate the classic COC stuff to
their new (ahem...) crap.  But I won't get into it.

Prong is definately one of the best "speed" related bands.  Period.  I saw them
a few years ago on tour w/ Flotsam and Jetsam.  Pretty good show but I don't
really get into just seeing bands stand there and play.  If you really want
to see the most incredible show ever, go see GWAR,  I had a chance to witness
the awe about 3 years ago and all I can say is "YOU DON'T EVER WANT TO MISS
THESE GUYS.  CRAWL THROUGH BURNING COAL AND SACRIFICE A LIMB TO GET THERE
YOU WON'T BELIEVE YOUR EYES.  THEY'RE FANTASTIC, NO BAND CAN COMPARE TO THIS.
(at least this is the case if their show is relatively the same as it used to
 be: raunchy and funny as (*&%*^'n hell)

-Chris

   
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: cosc17wj@Rosie.UH.EDU (Periscope)
Subject: Re: dead horse - Horsecore:An Unrelated....
Reply-To: cosc17wj@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:40:43 GMT

Great news about the re-issue of HORSECORE.  I just recently picked up 
PEACEFUL DEATH AND PRETTY FLOWERS, and think that this one awesome album!

BTW-  dead horse is going to be playing at Barcelona Nites on Halloween....
(according to an ad in PUBLIC NEWS).

.....Satan kissed my dog..

-Scope
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett)
Subject: Re: Metallica Rules
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.163231.4104@spcvxb.spc.edu> 6nikas_h@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>You guys must be crazy!  Metallica rules!  ust because they have made big, and 
>because people like them, this doesn't meen they are sell outs.  Metallica is 
>one the most positive groups out there.  Their music is universal.  I've been 
>listening to Metallica since the begging and I don't mind some of the new 
>mellow jams, those songs are amazing!  If you are a true Metallica fan, you 
>will stay a true fan...and please stop all that selling out bullshit some of 
>you people talk about.  Metallica is my God.  If I die one day i want them to 
>come and play on my fucking grave!    Later- Helen N. 

_PLEASE!_

You might get flames on this article, Helen.  Regardless, _please_
don't start up this thread again.  It's been hashed and re-hashed 
and cooked up and served as corned beef hash.  If you think the new
album is a sell-out (like me) don't listen to it.  If you like it,
by all means, listen to it and enjoy it.  Don't judge a person's
"fan level" by which albums they listen to. 

-Chuck
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett)
Subject: Re: Speed Metal: Alive or dead?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:13:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.213437.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <92289.162247JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
>>       I have had a concern for a while about whether or not Speed Metal
>>   is dying out, despite the fact that Thrash/Death Metal/etc.. seem to
>>   be proliferating. I could be wrong about all of this, but let me
>>   explain my reasons for concern.
>
>I have also heard some new bands that don't meet up to the standards of the
>old:  Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Slayer...oops, I'm copying down your
>list...no, I'm not.
>
>I agree; there aren't any new speed bands to match what the old ones did, and
>the old ones aren't doing it either. Possibly this is because what came out
>earlier is the "standard" by which we all measure the rest:  "If it doesn't
>sound EXACTLY like Ride the Lightning, then it can't be as good."
>
>Even so, I have trouble thinking of "The Unforgiven" as speed...
> 
>--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
>"I'll be seeing you again
> I'll be seeing you in hell"
>	--The Misfits, "Die, Die My Darling"

How about Meliah Rage?  They're a speed metal band from around Boston.
They've put out 2 albums and 1 live album that I know of.  Personally,
I like them _better_ than Metallica (new&old), Megadeth, and Anthrax.
They really aren't all that big, and I'm worried that they might not
exist anymore (I haven't seen them live in some time, and their latest
album was out in '90), but pick up their albums anyway.  The two studio
recordings are "Kill to Survive"('88) and "Solitary Solitude"('90)(my
personal favorite), and the live album is called "Live Kill"(like
Overkill's "Live 'Kill").

-Chuck
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:06:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.111305.9503@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.110420.27714@nntp.hut.fi> m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:
>
>The cover art is the only good thing on Born Again, IMHO. The music is
>boring, Gillan's voice is weak etc etc etc. If it has been an album
>from some other band than Black Sabbath, then it would've been
>different. There were no good Black Sabbath albums after Live Evil and
>before Dehumanizer except Headless Cross. (all IMHOes, of course:-).

	I suppose I shouldn't be TOO surprised to hear someone say this, as I've
heard so many others say the same thing.  Personally, I find that Born Again has
Ian Gillan at his best and heaviest.  He really belts out the tunes on this one
and doesn't hold back, like he does with Deep Purple.  And the songs?  Damn fine
and doomy, progressing at just the right pace and not too much of a jump in
style or nature.  I think the album got slagged so much because of the success
BS had with Dio and fans we PO'd that there was yet another singer after only 
two albums (OK, 3 but I don't consider live albums REAL albums) with the gnome
of metal, RJD.
	As for the rest of the 80's BS material, I have to say that the only
disappointment was Tyr, easily the worst album they've ever done.  Eternal Idol
is one of my favorite post-DIO Black Sabbath albums.  Listen to it a few times
and just maybe, you'll be able to see Sabbath "Shining" through ("Nightmare" is
so Sabbath, it's scary!).

It's a dream within a dream, lost and lonely,
						Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
From: v096pz6l@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (KING OF SPAM (AND OTHER LUNCH MEATS))
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Blind Illusion
Keywords: Blind Illusion, Sane Asylum, Primus, LaLonde, Claypool
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct14.181402.6072@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes...
>I saw this album around a few years back, but never picked it up. My roommate
>just bought it used at a local store for 3 bucks! It's excellent!
>I recommend it highly!
> 
>BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I knew that Larry Lalonde <Ex-Possessed> had gone on to Primus, but I didn't
>know that Les Claypool was the bass player! I believe Blind Illusion
>did another album <this one is called "The Sane Asylum">, does anyone
>have anymore info on the Possessed/Blind Illusion/Primus link???!!!
> 
>					--Judex--

  Blind Illusion was a Bay area band that kicked around for about ten years.
They changed band members more often than most people change clothes.
They were at one time a who's who of Bay area up an comers.
I was under the impression that Sane Asylum was their only release.What
is the title of this one?Anyway it is very good,but I haven't looked at
the credits in a long time-I do not believe that either Claypool or
Lalonde are on it. Although now that I think about the Lyrics,
(one days Whales will walk the Earth and man will be the hunted)
Claypool may have done some writing.
        Hope this helps
                                                Mandrake
From: adg2@quads.uchicago.edu (andrew david gross)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MANOWAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: adg2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct6.082529.14254@nntp.hut.fi> m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:
>In article <1aqk0pINN4t8@agate.berkeley.edu> alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko) writes:
>>>KINGS OF METAL is pretty good, but so far my favorite is FIGHTING THE WORLD.
>
>...
>
>>of Manowar and I want to get more of their stuff. Also, I have heard somewhere
>>that Ross the Boss has left the band. Can anybody enlighten me on that? Other-
>>wise, how can you explain such a pause between the albums? 
>
> I suppose you have mistaken here. It was Scott Columbus (the drummer) that
>left Manowar because of family reasons. He was replaced by a fellow called
>Rhino. I think it has been about four years since their last album and
>it's mainly because of this line-up change. 
>
>>
>>	
>>	Alex.
>>

Untrue. Scott Columbus left quite recently, and I believe it is only
temporary. Ross the Boss left a couple of years ago to rejoin (reform?)
his old band, The Dictators. He has been replaced by David Lee Schankle,
who has mainly played in local Chicago area bands.


-- 
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Andrew David Gross       "And David danced before the Lord with all his might"
adg2@midway.uchicago.edu                  - 2 Samuel 6:14
From: bryanj@pell4l1.alleg.edu (Jason Bryan)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Prong...Best New (to me) Band (1991)
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:54:00 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Oct12.023902.10436@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp  
writes:
> Hey!   What about PRONG?   Prove you Wrong!
> 
> 			-Matt



If you want to hear and even better album, buy BEG TO DIFFER.  Pushead  
(Zorlac,Metallica) did the cover, as with Prove You Wrong...Kick Fucking  
Ass record. This is their 1st album.  To tell you the truth, I thought the  
new album was complete shit compaired to this...I know you will love  
it!!!!!!!!!!    Later days        bryanj
From: mdavie@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (MARK DAVIES : THIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MANOWAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 09:26:23 GMT
Organization: Electronic Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc35.ee.und.ac.za

In article <1992Oct5.181927.10106@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.032606.7495@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mhibbard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew Hibbard) writes:
>> In article <9210050138.AA05796@cs.columbia.edu> dbi@cs.columbia.edu (Dmitry Bab
>> ayev) writes:
>>>
>>> Hey, dudes !!!!! ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THAT
>>>
>>>         MANOWAR IS AWESOME !!!
>>>    IT WAS IS AND WILL EVER BE THE BEST !!!
>>>    LISTEN TO SIGN OF THE HAMMER !!!
>>>
>>>
>>>         LYRICS, MUSIC, VOCALS ARE UNBELIEVABLE !!!
>>>
>>>    ERIC ADAMS IS ONE OF THE BEST SINGERS I EVER HEARD OF !
>>>    ROSS THE BOSS AND JOEY DeMAIO ARE MASTERS OF THE AXE !
>>>    AND SCOTT COLUMBUS IS THE FATHER OF THUNDER !!!!
>>>
>>>HAIL MANOWAR !
>>>
>>>
>>>MITCH.
>>>
>>>"Well, All right. Did you like the story? -Yeah it was great! Grandfather ?
>>>-Yes? -Who were those four men ? -Who were they ? They were the METAL KINGS !!
>> !"
>>>--MANOWAR "KINGS OF METAL"
>> 
>> Finally I found someone else who is into MANOWAR.  I picked up Kings of Metal a
>> few years ago..  It's awesome.  It certainly has its own style and feel..
>I think you'll find their are alot of Manowar fans out there, I know I'm one 
>***************************************************************************
>Brian Good                           |  Bodywater is your life	
>Ball State University                |  And without it you would fry
>@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu                   |  In the desert, the planet Dune
>Committee to reelect Richard Nixon   |  (Iron Maiden-To Tame A Land)
>***************************************************************************


Yes there are quite a few of Manowar fans out there - I know of several (
including myself) here in South Africa. I've only managed to get hold of 2 
of the albums though, as they are quite hard to come by here - have to get 
them on import. I have the one about the 4 horsemen you use in your sig.
From: s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (UT)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Metallica Rules
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:56:28 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

6nikas_h@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

>You guys must be crazy!  Metallica rules!  ust because they have made big, and 
>because people like them, this doesn't meen they are sell outs.  Metallica is 

I thought the reason they were sellouts was because they became a hard rock
band, and started playing venues with Guns'n'Posers.

>one the most positive groups out there.  Their music is universal.  I've been 
>listening to Metallica since the begging and I don't mind some of the new 

It's amazing how many closet Metallica fans, who have been listening to them
since the beginning, have decided to come out just recently...

>mellow jams, those songs are amazing!  If you are a true Metallica fan, you 

Mellow jams? Try mellow albums...

>will stay a true fan...and please stop all that selling out bullshit some of 

Truth hurts doesn't it? Speak to some *real* Metallica fans

>you people talk about.  Metallica is my God.  If I die one day i want them to 
>come and play on my fucking grave!    Later- Helen N.

Well you can be sure they won't play anything offensive - who knows? perhaps
they'll write yet another ballad for you...
From: mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: OZZY question: for experts only
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:25:09 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Can anyone verify if OZZY's first band was The Magic Lanterns?
I believe I saw a copy of an album from this 1967 or 68 band.
They released one single, "Shame , Shame".

I know about Earth, but what about before Earth?

Mitch
From: jtmack@babs.sfsu.edu (James T. Mack)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: DEICIDE
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:31:06 GMT

In article <1b4rl5INNiib@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>  writes:
> 
> In <6960@kielouta.fi> tipeve@uta.fi (Pertti Vehkalahti) writes:
> >Is there anyone who can tell me about Deicide?
> 
> yeahyeah!  They're playing in my area in a few days.  INteresting tidbit
> about their lead singer/bassist Glen.  He burned an upside-down cross
> into his forehead when he was on an airplane (he "was too close to  
god"),
> and has since repeated the feat.  It's over .5 cm deep.  He is looking
> for a doctor who will surgically screw a metal cross (maybe the  
trifixion {
> the cover for Leigon}) into his cranium.  I hope he has it in time for 
> the concert here so I can lick it!
> 
> -- 
>
Beside the fact Glen (Scar Head) Benton is into self mutalation, his band
probably have one of the fastest and tightest new albums this year. If you 
haven't heard "LEGION", get it. It's godamn insane. Not one mosh riff on  
the whole thing, just pure speed riff's from the depths of hell. A far  
better piece of work than their last one. In a way it's almost funky, the  
breaks and run-offs are pretty unique, and you can even hear the bass  
twiddling through the whole thing. Unlike most death-metal albums.

P.S.    Vomitorium needs a drummer. If you live in San Fransisco, Bay  
Area. Send me E-mail. We've been around for a long time, have lots of  
songs. We are inexcusably heavy, yet haven't found the right drummer( or
someone who can deal). 

jtmack@futon.sfsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: 10642617@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DAVID HOLECEK)
Subject: PANTERA - Cowboys from hell VIDEO
Keywords: Pantera Video
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:09:00 GMT

Does anyone know who the person who doesn't want any FUCKING donuts in the 
Cowboys from hell video is? The scene happens in a hotel foyer and Pantera 
are filming it on a video camera. My guess is that it is Yngwie Malmsteen(
correct spelling ?) but a friend of mine says it's someone from EXODUS.
Any guesses welcome.

Metal Thrashin' Dave
Monash Uni
Melbourne
Australia
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: Kevin A. Buck <kabuck@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Uli Jon Roth (was Re: Scorpions)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:16:56 EDT
Organization: none at the moment
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jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>donnell@morayeel.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>Electric Sun is the name of Ulrich Roth's band. They have three albums
which
>>feature Uli's classic guitar playing. 
>
> Can you try to find the name of the third album? I didnt know that a
third
>one was ever made.....
>

The third album he released was called "Beyond The Astral Skies" and was
actually released on Capitol, i don't have the # or the year but i can
get it.

>> The first two are a little better, due
>>to the simpler, less pretentious nature. 
>
> Since I haven't heard the third, I can't comment on it, however, I
HIGHLY 
>recommend his *guitar playing* on the first two albums. He is one of the
>sweetest soloists around. Simply gorgeous guitar sound.
>
>> Uli does all the vocals on these two,
>

Uli still did the vocals on the third album also.

> unfortunatly...
>
>><Electric Sun and "Fire Wind". Fire Wind is better> and therein lies the
>>problem. I know he sang occasionally with the Scorps, but he is
terrible.
>
> ... and even that is stating it mildly. I've long been of the opinion
that
>his singing on these two albums is quite possibly the worst vocals ever
recorded
>in the history of mankind. Sheer misery to have to listen to them. 
>
> It has always thoroughly amazed me that he can play the guitar so
flawlessly but
>can't sing in tune.
>
> I've wondered for a long time now whether his vocals on the Scorpion's
albums were
>only decent because the band made him sing his parts over and over till
he got it
>right.
>
>
>>If you can listen to the first Electric Sun album without laughing out
>>loud at Uli's offkey singing, you are a better man than I.
>
> I finally broke down and made a tape copy from my Electric Sun double
cd to a 
>tape, removing his voice. 
>
>
>>Great guitarist, terrible singer.
>

I don't really know how his singing was on the first two since i haven't
been able to find them on disc yet but on the third one he sings pretty
well in tune and in key with the rest of the band.

>
> I was really bummed when he left Scorpions. Has he done anything else -
played
>on anyones else's albums beside his solo proects?
>

I don't know of any other projects he has worked with but i did hear
about 3 or 4 years ago, he was supposed to release another album which
would be the music to an opera (it was in a guitar mag) but i still
haven't heard anything about it being definitely released.


Kevin
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:48:44 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: jfmburg@cs.vu.nl's message of 8 Oct 92 16:02:42 GMT

In article <Bvt8KJ.5I0@cs.vu.nl> jfmburg@cs.vu.nl (JFM Burg) writes:
| What the fuck you think you're doing????!!!!!
|
Er, posting a questionnaire by the looks of it.

| You are asking questions without telling what the results are for, and how 
| you're going to use those results. What are you looking for? The questions
| are really fucking stupid.
|
| Besides this, this newsgroup is called alt.rock-n-roll.heavy, and this
| contains postings about heavy-metal MUSIC. 
|
| Don't give me this shit about men that aren't parental responsible (BTW.
| why are men always the bad guys?? are you female?).
|
| So, I hope this was a mistake, but if it weren't you should post it with
| some introduction and in the right newsgroup (certainly not here!).

Actually, from what I have seen today, this person has posted (NOT crossposted)
this questionnaire to about half a dozen of the groups I read. It's quite
annoying when you start reading another group, and yep, there it is again. How
about we all send the poster mail telling them how to crosspost, and that they
preferably do it in relevant groups?

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From: apfelbrianje@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: LYNCH's SOLO ALBUM?
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:40:46 GMT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Peoples,

Does ANYONE have any info about when George Lynch's solo album (not connected
to his LYNCH MOB albums) is coming out, and what it's titled?

--BJA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: jfmburg@cs.vu.nl (JFM Burg)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:02:42 GMT

What the fuck you think you're doing????!!!!!

You are asking questions without telling what the results are for, and how 
you're going to use those results. What are you looking for? The questions
are really fucking stupid.

Besides this, this newsgroup is called alt.rock-n-roll.heavy, and this
contains postings about heavy-metal MUSIC. 

Don't give me this shit about men that aren't parental responsible (BTW.
why are men always the bad guys?? are you female?).

So, I hope this was a mistake, but if it weren't you should post it with
some introduction and in the right newsgroup (certainly not here!).

				
				Hans
-- 
				Hans Burg
				Vrije Universiteit
				Amsterdam, Holland
				e-mail : jfmburg@cs.vu.nl