HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: teodor@proxxi.uf.se (Teodor V{{n{nen (proxxi))
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Looking for "The hackers dictionary" ....
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:51:34 GMT
Organization: proxxi

Hi there!

I'm looking for the list of terms often used by hackers.

I was wondering if the person who makes this list could mail it to me,
or post it to the group...

I read it once, and now I want a copy for myself...

I've tried to look at some local sites for the list but i can't find it...

And, by the way, I found my own favourites among the terms in the list..
HCF (Halt and Catch Fire), Chernobyl Packet and
Pizza, ansi standard....
Just to mention some...

Please, any others that reads this and has the list, but isn't one of them
putting it together, PLEASE don't mail it to me, I use too much diskspace
already, and it will only consume net bandwith for no use...
But, you could drop me a line or two telling me that you have the list,
so that i can mail you later if I don't reach the person who makes the
list....

thanks in advance
Teodor V.

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From: cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Game machine processors (was Re: Is 4004 the first microprocessor ?)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:12:05 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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I dont know if this is actually related....

   I was watching an info-commercail on the IQ unlimited computer.  It
looked pretty crappy, and definately cheap.  Since it was only about a
$100 I ws wondering what kind of cpu it has.  I wonder if it has a Z80??
Maybe it has the same cpu as the C64 (6502 right?) ? 

Does anyone know anything about it???

Thanx

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.math
From: markc@smsc.sony.com (Mark Corscadden)
Subject: Re: Number of numbers (Was Re: PI)
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:17:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.062343.27050@sfu.ca> erick@fraser.sfu.ca (Erick Bryce Wong) writes:
>wald2@husc10.harvard.edu (Kevin Wald) writes:
>This is from the rec.puzzles FAQ ...
>} A theorem of Mahler (1953) states that for all integers p, q > 1,
>}
>}               -42
>} |pi - p/q| > q
>} 
>} This says that pi cannot have a rational approximation that is
>} extremely tight.

Guess that settles the question about pi, it is a "primitive recursive"
number after all.

Concerning irrational algebraic numbers (roots of polynomials with
integer coefficient), my old copy of "The Theory of Numbers" by Hardy
and Wright says that if X is algebraic of degree n then:

              -n
 |X - p/q| > q

for all sufficiently large q.  With a little work that lets you prove
that all real algebraic numbers are primitive recursive too.

As far as I can tell, the notion of a "primitive recursive" real is
not very interesting.  It's useless for saying something special
about pi.  It doesn't seem to be related to any other mathematics
in an interesting way.  It's strictly weaker than the notion of a
"full recursive real", but the only examples I can come up with are
specifically contrived for the purpose of giving a full recursive
real that isn't primitive recursive.

Oh well.

Mark Corscadden
markc@smsc.sony.com
work: (408)944-4086
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: VCS processor (was Re: Game machine processors)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:12:31 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

In article <1993Jan5.134758.15535@ra.msstate.edu> jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:

[about the ZX81]

> It couldn't both display and calculate at the same time. So
> it would blank the screen during calculations. 

Not quite.  The CPU was used for some video stuff as well, so it only
ran at about 1/3 of its speed when the display was on.  To use it to its
full power, you had to use the FAST instruction to switch off the video
display.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:18661 comp.arch:12110 comp.sys.intel:2904
From: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: NeXTstep not running on Cyrix 486DLC (was Re: Apple IIGS...)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:16:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
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In a previous article, lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) says:

>In article <1ide2jINNru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) says:
>>>
>>>Just remember that this is the first commercial OS package that is meant
>>>to only run on a 486.  It won't run on a 386, as a 386 doesn't have bswap.
>>>
>>
>>No wonder.  The 486DLC is just a 386 with a 1k cache and a coprocessor.
>
>No, it identifies as a 486.  You are confusing hardware with architecture.

Oh, really? Okay.  But I still won't recommend it.

>
>Actually, Intel is the one with the "cheat" since the 486SX is the chip
>that can't have a coprocessor/has it brain-dead.  The socalled 487 chip
>is actually a complete DX CPU with FPU function all sitting in the 487
>socket which disables the 486SX chip.  Some have reported ways of eliminating
>the 486SX althogether, but the official Intel word is that the 487 requires
>the 486SX be present in order to function (even though it kills the 486SX
>in the process)
>

I don't see what you don't like about it.  I probably will never use the
math coprocessor, and the interesting methor of upgrade lets Intel use
a faster 487, known as the OverDrive chip.  (And what's better, my mother-
board has a replaceable clock, so I can slip a 66mHz OD chip in with a
33mHz clock crystal.)

>
>Here's a thought: If a system is designed to require a 486SX and a 487 is
>added to get back the FPU functionality, and the 487 requires the 486SX
>be present to be disabled in order for the 487 to function, would the machine
>still work if a 486DX and 487 were both installed?
>

Maybe, if you get a 486DX with the OverDrive socket.  Or, you might only
find a way to create plastic toast. 

>
>Admittedly, the packaged 486DX allows for better overall performance than
>the 386 and separate 387, 
>

It should.  A 486 is much faster than a 386 of the same speed.  Case in
point: The 486SX/25 (like the one I'm using now) is a little faster than
an AMD 386/40, but the 486SX is upgradeable for $450.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Operating Systems; retrocomputing
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Cisco Systems (MIS)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:55:40 GMT

In article <c3y1wB3w165w@mertwig.uucp>, daniel@mertwig (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>
>What were some of the very first operating systems? I'm interested in
>trying them out if emulators exist... (Where are there ITS emulators?
>(Is that an early OS, or is that late in comparison? I'm not very
>knowledgeable about such things...))

Others have pointed out how far back operating systems existed.

ITS was an early-middle period operating system, written to satisfy a need for
time-shared access to the PDP-6, since single-user mode for this system was a
*much* greater drain on resources than on the PDP-1.  (Note, however, that the
-6 *was* allowed to be used single-user because the -1 had been...)

Hey, I thought you *read* Levy's book.  :->

>What was the first (high-level) language to be implemented in the ITS
>system at MIT?

Same one as on the PDP-1:  LISP.

As was only right.
-- 
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                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.math
From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
Subject: Re: Normal numbers (was Re: Number of numbers (Was Re: PI))
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:44:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.131015.4890@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:

>However, now that I've come to think of it, I'm not 100% sure that
>even that condition is sufficient for pseudo-randomness. Does anybody
>have a counterexample - a number where the decimal expansion
>follows some simple rule, but all N-digit sequences have the same
>probability of appearing?

Yes. 0.12345678910111213141516171819202122...100101102103104105106...
(write down all the positive integers in order and stick 'em together).

-- 
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
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From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: NeXTstep not running on Cyrix 486DLC (was Re: Apple IIGS...)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:48:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu

In article <1ide2jINNru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner) writes:
>
>In a previous article, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) says:
>>
>>Just remember that this is the first commercial OS package that is meant
>>to only run on a 486.  It won't run on a 386, as a 386 doesn't have bswap.
>>
>
>No wonder.  The 486DLC is just a 386 with a 1k cache and a coprocessor.
>
>I don't know how many people were suckered into buying the 486DLC, thinking
>that they were getting 486 performance at ultra-low cost.
>-- 
>aj923@cleveland.freenet.edu (So now you listen, 'cause I'm omniscient)

That's the Cyrix 486 clone. It is a 486 in compatibility, but you are 
right... they are very slow compared to the Intel 486 chips which 
have 8k cache and (DX type) a math coprocessor. It is really a better 
deal, though two weeks ago I didn't know the difference. 
I think AMD even sells a 486 clone that doesn't even have a CACHE 
on it, wierd.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: J.Newman@icarus.curtin.edu.au (John Newman)
Subject: Re: Real Bugs Old and New
Keywords: Bugs
Organization: Computing Centre, Curtin University, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:56:12 GMT

>From: wheelan@cs.mcgill.ca (Bill HEELAN)
>Subject: Was: Worlds wierdest system crash!

>> I don't know how familliar people are with this story, but I was once told
>> that the computer term 'bug' actually was derived from an incident in the
>> early or mid-50's in which a dead moth shorted out a magnetic drum.
>> 
>> Simon
>
>  I don't know...  I think this is a case of folk entomology.
>
>                                                   - Bill

Well bugs still cause problems. Several weeks ago my son acquired an
Amiga 4000. Several days later he found the floppy drive no longer 
working. When he looked inside he found a mashed cockroach. It took
a few days to get all the roach bits out as he had to wait until it dried
out enough for the vacuum cleaner and a small brush to work effectively.
  

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Acronym ISDN
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:40:43 GMT

icts1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher T. Schuster) writes:
> Also, what is ISDN?  I haven't quite gotten that one yet, either!

It used to be "Innovations Subscribers Don't Need", but latterly it is
"I Smell Dollars Now".

I think Marshall T. Rose is responsible...

   Alan

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   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

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From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: let's start this off on the right bodily appendage...
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:10:48
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:57:58 GMT

In article <19334@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca
(Jeremy Reimer) writes:

   I recall reading a whole batch of insightful stuff from the Usenet Oracle
   that was posted to rec.humor.funny (this was over a year ago)  How does/did
   one contact the Oracle directly?  (Email address, newsgroup, etc.)

Send mail to oracle@cs.indiana.edu with the word "help" in the
subject line.  This will get you the Usenet Oracle help file that
explains how the Oracle works and how you can submit questions to
the Oracle.
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classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Telephones (was Re: What happened to "smart buildings"?  and three tangents)
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:19:31 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <C0Hysr.4oD@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>The rhetoric that always accompanied these
>adventures in telecommunications was, "Well, The Phone
>Company doesn't want you using any equipment it hasn't ap-
>proved, because you might put a bad signal on the line,
>and hurt its switches."  Was there some technical reality
>behind this, or was it just polite language for AT&T to
>say, "Mine, all mine, and you can't do anything about it!"?

Here in Sweden, the telephone company (which used to be a government
agency until a few years ago when it was turned into a company; now
there's talk about privatizing it) used to own all the equipment,
lease it to the customers, and not allow *anything* else than their
own equipment to be plugged in. This was changed about ten years ago;
nowadays, the customer owns his/her own telephone, and you can go into
any shop, buy a telephone and connect it, _provided_ it's been
approved by the telecom company. 

>Yet another tangent:  are telephone boothes on the way out
>in countries other than the United States?  

Do you mean payphones in general, or the old type of closed booths?
The trend in Europe seems to be still to put up payphones outdoors and
in public places, but not in closed booths.

>I assume
>lawyers and homeless have killed 'em in the States,

What have American lawyers done to kill of phone booths? I think the
reason not to build closed booths anymore over here is vandalism; it's
easier to do nasty things to the poor payphone if people can't see
what you're doing.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Spectrum hardware (was Re: VCS processor)
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:43:54 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mika Iisakkila (iisakkil@lk-hp-13.hut.fi) wrote:

>The fact that Spectrum used dynamic RAM always brought tears to the
>eyes of the poor Commode owners, who had to deal out megabucks for
>static RAM...

>--
>Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software

These last two statements have equal truth content.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: help with old adm3a
From: Paul Christopher Workman <pw0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:17:17 -0500 
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Hi.

I recently got an old lear-sigler adm3a terminal, unfortunatly
without documentation.

Can someone tell me if there's a good way to turn that obnoxious
right-margin beeping off (preferably without opening it up and
cuttng the beeper wires), before I go insane?

Are there any confirmed reports of someone going insane from
that damned bell, and killing their co-workers?

thanks,

--paul


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: djshaw01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Daniel Shaw)
Subject: Centronics Model 702....
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:52:16 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Does anyone know about this printer.. It weighs about fifty pounds and feeds papper fast. the one I have has a removable DB25 connector.....I got it cheap..
was wondering about the interface (RS232, RS422, Parallel ?)...If I can get the ink cart.  etc... I'd love to have a manual if anyone has got one...
oh ya.. it even hase what looks like a paper tape reader on on side of it...
	Thanks...
		Dan Shaw
From: Tony.Duell@launchpad.unc.edu (Tony Duell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Production Cluges (was Re: VCS processor)
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:00:09 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
 The Apple ][ was a kluge_a_minute machine (please don't start a flame war
 The Dowty Quattro modem (at least, mine - the version with the PIC7001
 There must be many, many more.


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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.math,comp.compression
From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore)
Subject: Re: Compressing decimal expansion of pi (was Re: PI)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:02:17 GMT

In the danger of interjecting something from reality into this strain,
here are the results of the comp2 compressor from the kit that Nico
distributes:

1381376 pi
 606070 pi.0
 603291 pi.1
 601576 pi.2
 606552 pi.3
 645668 pi.4
 727973 pi.5
 767188 pi.6


The names are of the form pi.x where x is the order of the model.  When
I get access to a machine with more memory, I'll post results for larger
models.  These results seem to be similar to what I have seen in the past.
Most things compress best with an order 2 or 3 model.  I don't believe that 
this is due to the structure of the data, that doesn't make sense, rather,
I think it is due to some inherent flaw in the code of the compresser.  Wether
in the model or in the coder, I'm not sure.

By way of comparrison, here are the results for a few other compressors:

zip 1.0
719125 pi.zip

arc 5.21
680509 pi.arc

hpack 0.78a0
608284 pi.hpk

compress
680354 pi.Z

compact
629760 pi.C

pack
629605 pi.z

freeze
713458 pi.F

freeze (with statist generated entry)
696613 pi.F

It looks like general purpose compressors have a little way
left to go before they start running into 'fundimental' limits
on compression ratio.

Enjoy,

David Willmore
willmore@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Operating System Destiny
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:17:47 GMT
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Jeffrey.Thorson (Jeffrey.Thorson@mixcom.mixcom.com) wrote:
:
: succ(V) = W
: succ(M) = N
: succ(S) = T
:
: where VMS is DEC's VAX operating system and
:       WNT (Windows/NT) is Microsoft's current OS effort 
:

How about this:

succ(W) = X
succ(N) = O
succ(T) = U

where XOU (X On Unix) is the real OS of the future.

Coincidence?  YOU BE THE JUDGE!

:
: Jeffrey.Thorson@mixcom.com    | There are two rules for success:
:
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From: erd@kumiss.cmhnet.org (Ethan Dicks)
Subject: Re: Game machine processors (was Re: Is 4004 the first microprocessor ?)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
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Date: 5 Jan 93 18:35:16 EDT
Organization: Not an Organization

Paul Wallich (pw@panix.com) wrote:
: That was the first one. Magnavox, bless their dimwitted little souls,
: marketed a series of models, including one very late one that definitely
: had a cpu because they want to offer a keyboard for it. And btw, even
: the earliest version played several games, including something like
: slalom, because I recall being shown the overlays you were supposed
: to stick to your tv screen. Sigh.

I had one as a child (and hacked it up eventually... one of the analog
joystick cables ended up as my c-64 parallel printer cable).  It was
OK, but the PET we got later made all us kids forget about the Oddessey.


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