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From: macph@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Day tickets on fine english chalk streams
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:33:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Aug31.171014.18842@newross.Princeton.EDU>, jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU writes:
> 
> Hello,
> A recent note from over there indicated that the cost of flying to
> Montana to fish was equivalent or nearly equivalent to the cost of buying
> a day ticket on a fine English chalk stream. This boggled my mind enough
> so that it was several days before I recovered enough to ask for details.
> 
> How much does it cost to fish on an English chalk stream? 
> If necessary, use scientific notation.
> 
> thanks!
> -john
> 
> John Danskin			|	Catch and Release?
> (609) 258-5386			|	Don't ask too much.
> jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|	I can't even catch yet.
> 
> -- 
> John Danskin			|	CS Grad student
> (609) 258-5386			|	graphics & systems
> jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|

I read recently that you can get day tickets for a stretch of the Test for in
excess of 250 pounds (around 500$ at present).  This is being marketed as a new
form of corporate hospitality.  The great bulk of good chalk stream fishing is
still in the hands of syndicates or private individuals.

Gordon MacPherson			Immunologist
Sir William Dunn School of Pathology
Oxford
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From: bab7458@usl.edu (Bernard Bruce A)
Subject: Hurricane Andrew---Louisiana fish kill
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
     On a related note, WAFB-tv out of Baton Rouge showed THOUSANDS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:52:36 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:57:48 GMT

In article <14412@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <Sep01.191400.80775@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>|In article <Xjl-AAC@engin.umich.edu> Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
>|>
>|>I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
>|>are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
>|>SKI's. 
>|
>|Agreed. Just when you thought waterskier-s were a problem, they are nothing
>|compared to the jet ski's, which can go in shallower water. Here in
>|Ft. Collins they are a real nuisance, and they get so close to your
>|fishing line!
> 

All you people are being highly critical of jetskiers, but they fight 
much harder than any bass or trout.  The critical part of the fight is
when they make that last desperate run for their car.  This is a true
test for any tackle.  I usually use a gaff to land them and remember
that they have teeth so keep your fingers away from their mouthes.
Lately I have been employing a sort of personal taggin program by
clipping off a finger before I release them.  Hope this helps.

-- 

jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick

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From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Lake Ontario Trip Report: Salmon	
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:11:52 GMT

I finally got this newsgroup....

We were on Lake Ontario last Saturday fishing for salmon. Started trolling down 70
in 120 feet of water straight out (2 miles) of the Humber River. Caught a few jacks
in the next 30 minuites. Got into 183 feet trolling at 40-60 and tied into some 5
to 8 lb fish. I was hooked into one that flew across the water. It looked like a 
chinook but was fighting like a rainbow. The fish was about 150 feet away. It 
kept on clearing water. When it was close to the boat, I could see that it was 
snagged on the front of its back. No wonder it felt so heavy. Trying to bring
this fish in was harder than bringing in a 30 lber cause I had no control over
the fish. It ran across another downrigger but came free (luckily). Boy, what a
pain in the butt having a snagged fish while downrigging...

A nice 20 lber was hooked but never landed. One of my friends was on the rod and
the fish pulled away but then it came towards the boat. He, being novice, didn't
have pressure on the line and so it got off after 2 minuites.

This was my best day (been out 5 times) fishing on Lake Ontario. Very bad year
for fishing in general. There is a $100K tagged fish swimming somewhere in Lake
Ontario (probably on New York side) that hasn't been caught yet. But you have to
have a Toronto Star Salmon ticket... Winning salmon so far is a 40lber. There have
been some 39lbers caught lately. Derby ends tonight at 8pm. The Guy must be 
nervous but happy that it is raining outside...

-- 
Richard Park	
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From: KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke)
Subject: Altus Lake/Quartz Mountain State Park, OK
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:49:44 GMT

Does anyone have any info on fishing at Altus Lake (just north of Altus, 
OK).  I'll be near there for a week with some time on my hands and my 
suitcase travel convertable fishing rod. 

As always, my employer may disagree with my opinions.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart)
Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:52:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.130700.9356@uvm.edu> jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors) writes:
>
>I have many found memories of perch frys in my grandmother's trailer.  I


Speaking of perch, I have not fished for them since I was a kid, but will have
the opportunity to do so off a breakwater on Lake Michigan in a few days.  My
question is, what works?  As best as I can remember when I last fished for
perch was that we fished minnows just off the bottom of a small lake in
Northern Minnesota, with excellent results.  How would my approach differ
this time around?

Tangz Bunges.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jay A. DeSart            
Dept of Political Science                Todays task:  Flounder in a sea of
Bolton 635  UW-Milwaukee                        despair just for the halibut.
(414) 229-5331

. . . And several butcher's aprons.
From: jsemrad@ems.cdc.com (Joe Semrad)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:24:54 GMT
Reply-To: jsemrad@ems.cdc.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Aug26.170759.28760@mcnc.org>, kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:
|> And fishing for bass is everybit as much of an art as trout fishing 
|> in my book.  Consistently catching bass requires the same levels
|> of skill, knowledge, and patience.  Using the right lure, in the
|> right color, at the right time, with the right presentation, in the
|> right spot is just as difficult for bass as trout.  And who ever said 
|> that a flyrod is somehow naturally superior to a modern baitcasting outfit?  
|> 

Why don't you fish for bass with a flyrod?  Taking both large and smallmouth
bass on a flyrod is quite challenging and a blast on a 6 or 7 weight rod.
Plus you can be a snob and fish for bass at the same time! :-}

Joe
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From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Balloons.  Was: kite-fishing
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: daphne.thompson.715624142
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota

swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) writes:

>What we did, was modified a technique from Poland used in balloon fishing.
>The baloon fishing involves filling a small balloon, and connecting it to
>your line with a thing rubber band.  Then dangle bait or a lure at whatever
>height you feel is necessary.  We also made up special rubber bands connected
>to a small washer to allow the string to slip for a small amount of depth
>control thought this works much better on the kite than with the balloon.

>The balloon would then be used to carry the line out away from the peer
>(in the direction of the wind of course)  When a fish hits, either the
>rubber band breaks or the balloon bursts, and you real em in.  The balloon
>also works as a bobber.

At Hatteras I have seen people use balloons to get their bait way
offshore.  The neat thing that I remember is that the balloon was
attached to the line with a life-saver candy so that eventually it
just let the line drop as if you had cast it 1/4 mile offshore.  I had
qualms about the environmental impact of dropping balloons in the
ocean though.  I suspect that its not so great for the marine life if
they eat one by accident.
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
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From: Barry Thomas <thomasb@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Trip to Rockies/Denver - need info
Organization: Indiana University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:22:55 GMT

I'm traveling to Denver next Sat. for a week of backpacking/fishing in
the Arapaho National Forest area (near Granby).  I'd really appreicate 
any fishing reports or suggestions for a fly assortment I might bring
along.

Barry Thomas
thomasb@ucs.indiana.edu
Indiana University

Opinions expressed our my own and do not represent the University
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Subject: Restoration of antique gear.
Keywords: antique, restore
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:13:23 GMT

Hello Everybody,

I was lucky enough this weekend to come into possestion of some old
(antique?) fishing gear.  There are a couple of Salmon trolling rigs,
one Penn reel and another Shakespere, two baitcasters, and a fly fishing
pole.  I was wondering if anyone has experience in restoring older gear
and could give me advice on how to clean everaything up.  The stuff is
pretty dirty after being stored for about the past 20 years in a dirty
basement.  I have stripped off all of the old braided line (that black
stuff that rots eventually).  It was all pretty bad.  Although I would
appreciate any general knowledge on the subject, here are my more
specific questions:

1)  Can I refinish the fly pole.  It looks like there is a varnish or
laquere finish on it that is not good.  What about replacing the rod
guides?  I can not make out the brand name on the rod, ans part of the
label is ogne.  It does not seem worth paying a pro to do the work on
this, but I'm open to suggestions.

2) What is the best way to clean the old reels?  I would really like to
get them open and repack the bearing etc.  Is it safe to open these? 
Are springs and stuff going to fly out when the covers are removed?

3) Three of the old poles are made of metal.  They are surprisingly
strong.  It looks like they have hand-made cork handles, which are very
interesting.  Has anyone seen these types of rods before, and what if
anything should I do with them?

I was really hoping to use the Penn reel (which is on a fiberglass rod)
for some salmon/laker trolling in Maine.  It seems to be the newest of
the lot, maybe 15 years old.  I am open to suggestions on what kind of
line (weight/length) to use on this puppie.

If possible, I would like to refinish the flypole for reuse also, as
there are many stocked brooks near my house, and I thought it would be
cool to learn flyfishing from 'the old man'.

I was thinking of using the remaining baitcasters/rods to decorate my
den/basement.  I thought it would look sort of cool, but I still want to
get them into working order as best I can.

Please mail, or post any thoughts on all this.  Sorry to get so
long-winded.

Thanks very much,


Bernie Kosicki
kosicki@s35.Prime.com  ("...or are we Computervision now...??")


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From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Flying Lurers	
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:22:28 GMT

Do they work?

They work in that they can get a lure into places where most lures can't get to
such as under a dock. However, I don't fish docks at all and I also think the 
fish are on the side of the dock and not completely underneath. My friend bought
the package ($32) and he tried it but didn't catch any fish with it.

Unless you need a lure that falls backwards so that it can go underneath structure
I wouldn't spend the money. Plus, if it was so good, then you would see 
professionals in BASS tournaments use them. I watched several on TV and didn't see
anyone use the flying lurer.

-- 
Richard Park
From: sro@lulea.trab.se (Sven-Rune Olofsson)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Reel Prices AGAIN !
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:37:52 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4



Reel Prices AGAIN !

Refering to my earlier article/question about reel prices in the US.
Some of the questions was straightened out but some weren't.

Is the ABU/GARCIA AMBASSADEUR 9000 CL at the US market at all ?
And then again, what's the price ?

The 7000 model was lying in the range from 80 to 100 US $ as i understood it.
But the 7000 isn't interesting ( it's got about the same weight as the 9000,
but takes less dacron, got a wider body and not the automatic two gear ).


		Sven-Rune Olofsson, Lulea, Sweden.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Sage Guarantee
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:20:36 GMT

In article <Sep03.232545.7086@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wayne trzyna,
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.203007.10010@bnr.ca> dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim
Dudley) writes:
>>In article <Sep03.001647.47860@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wayne trzyna,
>>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:
>>
>>>Does anybody know what the Sage policy is on replacing broken fly
>>>rod tips under warranty?  Will they replace it regardless of how
>>>much stupidity was involved in breaking it?
>>
>>Aw, c'mon, Wayne!  Tell us what you did...
>
>Groan.  OK.  I passed too closely to some bushes in my inflatable
>kayak.  The upper 3 or 4 inches broke off.  I could still fish with
>it but I can't say it improved the action (or my mood, that day).
>It did seem to do a better job of hurling lead, however.
>
>-- 

Argghhh!     (Stuff like that never happens to me...  :-)  )

A quick temproary fix for a problem like that is to break off a
toothpick to about an inch long, put some (waterproof) superglue
on each end, insert one end into the rod end, insert the other into
the tip end, and let it set.  (You may have to do a little rod trimming
first.) It definitely doesn't restore the original action, but it'll hold 
up until you can replace the tip, and at least your rod is about the
same length as when you started.


Tim
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Sage Guarantee
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:16:47 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Does anybody know what the Sage policy is on replacing broken fly
rod tips under warranty?  Will they replace it regardless of how
much stupidity was involved in breaking it?


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Reply-To: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:48:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org> you write:
> I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel
> to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as
> apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.
>

What you are describing here is a method used with Matuka style streamers.  The
most popular being the Spruce Matuka.

These streamers are great by the way.  They allow you to cast a fairly large
fly
against the wind or with a light rod much easier than a bucktail style like a
Micky Finn and an order of magnitude easier than a spun deer hair fly like a
Muddler that you might use for similar situations.

They catch fish too.  I've taken lots of Smokey Mt. Browns and Rainbows,
Minnesota Brookies and Kansas crappie and white bass with variations of this
pattern
BJD

>                  -Ken
> As always, my employer does not necessarily endorse, and may disagree
> with, my opinions.
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From: mariano@sgrmag.rsmas.miami.edu (Arthur Mariano)
Subject: Re: kite-fishing
Organization: University of Miami/RSMAS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 00:05:54 GMT


Down here in the beautiful and warm Gulf Stream waters, one of the
best methods for catching sailfish is using kites. Sailfish have 
great eyesight, so the trick is to keep your line out of the water.
A husky boat pole is used to control the kite and if the winds are
steady enough, it can be left in a rod holder. Usually 2 quick
release clips are strung on the kite and line from 2 different
poles are used to dangle either live mullet, blue runners, gargoyles,
etc. right on the surface. If you try this for the first time, only
use one fishing line, it takes some practice. The fish are left at the
surface and wind gusts lift the bait fish out of the water and when 
they hit the water again, they flap up a storm and sailfish can not
resist. I've caught large dolphins (the fish, not the mammal, so 
don't go phoning UM) while fishing for sailfish using this rig. In
very variable winds, kite-fishing all day long is quite a chore but
worth it. I would like to hear from others about using kites for
other fish species. I would safely bet that this method would work
wonders on those days when you see fish on the surface but they
are too finicky for traditional methods. cheers, arthur

-- 
*****************R.I.P., Bill of Rights, 1791-1991********************
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Dept. of Meteorology and Physical Oceanography        305-361-4193 
Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science,  U. of Miami
4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami, FL 33149-1098, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: Re: Western New York State Report
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:40:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.113841.1042@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, 
kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey) writes:
>Frank Kruppenbacher (fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
>: 
>:     THE FISHING LINE
>:     
>:     	For largemouth bass, try jitterbugs on the surface, at night, or
>:     rattlebaits, tube jigs, drifted worms, and spinnerbaits in 8 to 10 feet
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	What do you mean by "drifted worms"?  Is this live bait or artificial?
>	
>
>						Thanks??
>
>						Kevin Dailey
>
>--
> Kevin,
	Re: "Drifted worms" what do I mean.
  I like to drift worms once in a while for bass that hang out in 8 to 10
  feet of water around weed beds.  The technique is simple. It isn't a
  technique really.  It's the old worm and stick bobber with the worm on the
  end of the line or branched off the line a foot or two above a small sinker.
  The thing is to not anchor the boat but rather let the boat drift slowly
  with the worm and bobber trailing behind.  The set-up drags through and
  around the weeds and bang-o-down goes the bobber, you put down your cold
  adult beverage (or soda or water) and set the hook.
  
  As for bait, real worms work best.  Also, for perch in these same areas, we
  like these very small rubber crayfish (1" to 1 1/2" long) on gold hooks.
  This past weekend on Seneca Lake in central NY we got a limit of smallies
  and a 5 gallon pail of perch on drifted worms and real crayfish in 8 to 20
  feet of water.  One 20" pickerel took the crayfish at the boat as I was
  reeling in to check my bait.

  It's equal fun to drift bait off a fly rod.  Perhaps unethical for purest
  flyfishers, but one hell of a fight if an 18" smallie is at the other end!

Try it, you'll like it.

Frank K.

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:15:29 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

dannyl@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Sui-Kit Leung) writes:
> 
>     Hello all,
> 
>     I have a query about changing lines while bobbin' in my float tube. Just
> how do I do it? When I take off the spool and get it all packed away, and pull
> out the next one, I have an utter fear of dropping everything into the drink.
> I guess that would include spool and line as well as rod and reel! My rod might
> float (havent tested it) but I suspect the reel would severely hinder its
> floating capabilities. And I think you can add myself to the list of lost
> items as I would probably fall out while trying to retrieve that rapidly
> sinking rod ;).
> 
>    My main concern is how to thread the line through the guides? I have a 10'
> G-Loomis, and my arms dont seem to be nearly long enough :). Up till now, I
> use one of two strategies...1) Stop complaining and use the line I already got,
> or 2) Beach myself, change lines, then lumber back out there. Obviously, Im
> a novice tuber, and I suspect that there is a ridiculously easy method of
> accomplishing said feat. However, even if you possess the greatest manual
> dexterity in the world, I'll bet that even you veterans change your spools
> with great care :).
> 
>    So how is it done? Do you use safety clips and what not to guard against
>  mishaps? Thanx in advance....
> 
> 
>      Dan Leung
>     dannyl@sfu.ca
> 
> 
> 
If you have a two piece rod, you can separate the thing, string the new line
and then reconnect the sections.  This not only keeps you from dropping
everything while trying to stretch too far, but keeps you from dunking your
reel which can cause drag problems with some models.

  
You could also just wait until your next bladder break which in my case is 
usually not too far off.

Bryan

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