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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Minicom and X?
From: whitney2@husc10.harvard.edu (Wayne Whitney)
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:24:24 GMT
Keywords: Minicom X Arrowkeys

Hi,

I'm somewhat new to X, having run Linux a while without it, and I
noticed a small discrepancy between Minicom's behavior running in an
xterm and running not under X: mimciom doesn't recognize the arrow
keys while running under an xterm (this makes it difficult to navigate
the menus, as well as send the arrow keys to a remote host).  Just
using the arrow keys at the command line bash prompt of an xterm works
OK, though.  Does anyone know how to change this behaviour?  Thanks.

Wayne Whitney
whitney2@husc.harvard.edu

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From: bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: getting "bogus do_no_page"; strange vi behavior
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:11:35 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. --Austin

In article <1992Sep2.051030.24587@pool.info.sunyit.edu> ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.145123.20915@novell.com> bboerner@novdpd.uucp (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>>
>>Also, after upgrading to 0.97, I noticed that vi has been acting
>>funny.  While inserting into a line, it starts adding spaces.  Using ^L
>>will redraw the screen and show that the spaces really don't exist.
>>
>
>My copy of elvis has been doing this since I started using it with Linux
>0.96.  I thought it was a sloppy compile but I see I'm not the only one.
>
>I have a more serious problem.  I keep losing my scrolling on the 25th
>line!  This would happen to me occassionally with earlier versions of
>Linux, but I'm getting it much more frequently now with 0.97 patch2.
>I'm not sure when it started, but it is getting quite annoying now.
>Does anyone know if there is a command to reset a VC after it stops
>scrolling on the 25th line?  

This was happening to me after using Kermit-5A to login to another
UNI*X host - after coming back, the virtual terminal was in this stat -
setterm -reset/initialize didn't work.  I got the termcap from 0.96 and
this fixed my "extra" spaces problem - I haven't had a chance to see if
it would fix this other.

Brendan
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From: harry@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Kuo-Chen Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: mount failed under 0.97p2
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:53:25 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

Hi there.  I remember someone posted the problem of mount and umount of
0.97p2.  Is there any luck to solve this problem.  My newly compiled
0.97p2 gave me the same problem.   Thanks.

Harry
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 15:21:41 -0400 
From: Frank T Lofaro <fl0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: clearing SUID bit on writes

	Linux should definitely un-setuid and un-setgid files on any
modification (such as an append). Otherwise it could prove to be a very
nasty security hole. (by the way, I just verified the Ultrix does clear
these bits on a decstation here). We should not worry about this
breaking anything, since anything that depends on setuid and setgid
staying set after a file modifcation doesn't belong in a secure (well,
as secure as UN*X can reasonably be) environment.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Subject: FAQ via email?
Bcc:  mitchell
Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:01:57 GMT

I'm currently FTPless, but want to peruse the linux FAQ in anticipation of
getting FTP access and being able to obtain linux.

I recently saw a posting describing step-by-step how to find and retrieve
the FAQ.  It looked like a long, painful process to do by trial and error
thru a mail server, especially if not started with a roadmep in-hand.

Unfortunately, I've lost my printed copy of that posting and can't locate
the article in my news reader.

Would someone kindly email me a copy of the article and/or a roadmap to
finding and obtaining the linux FAQ from  mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu
or some other mail server?

Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Scott.Mace@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Mace)
Subject: Ethernet cards for tcp-ip in linux
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:00:34 GMT


Which ethernet cards and clones-compatibles are supported in the tcp-ip   
software?  I have seen many rumors that the ..... card is supported.
I am thinking about buying a low cost (<$150) 16 bit card.  Any recommendations?
Is the SMC Elite II 16 compatible ?  Where can you buy a WD-8003 card?

Thanks 

Scott Mace

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jlnance@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES LEWIS NANCE)
Subject: Re: Polling keyboard in linux. What works best?
Originator: jlnance@volt.ece.ncsu.edu
Keywords: linux
Reply-To: jlnance@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES LEWIS NANCE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:49:31 GMT


In article <17nf23INNfr8@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, kxb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Karl Buck) writes:
|> 
|> I want to check the keyboard for input (using gcc of course) without
|> actually reading (ie: getc etc..). The unix FAQ suggests looking at
|> the FIONREAD ioctl or using select() and the C FAQ states that this is
|> a purely OS dependant question.
|> 
|> What is best for Linux? Can this be non-blocking? A snippet of code
|> for this would be great since I have not had to do this kind of thing
|> before. Thanks.
|> 

I was given the following segement of code when I asked this question.  I have
been told that it works on a DECstation, but I have never tested it under 
Linux.

Hope it helps,

Jim Nance

#include	<sgtty.h>
#include	<fcntl.h>

struct sgttyb normal_mode, cbreak_mode;

set_trap()
{
static int first_time = 1;
if (first_time)
	{
	ioctl(0, TIOCGETP, &normal_mode);
	cbreak_mode = normal_mode;
	cbreak_mode.sg_flags |= CBREAK;	/* make characters available as typed */
	cbreak_mode.sg_flags &= ~ECHO;	/* turn off echo */
	first_time = 0;
	}
ioctl(0, TIOCSETP, &cbreak_mode);
fcntl(0, F_SETFL, FNDELAY);
}

unset_trap()
{
fcntl(0, F_SETFL, 0);
ioctl(0, TIOCSETP, &normal_mode);
}

chk_buf()	/* read a character from the keyboard buffer */
		/* return '\0' if nothing available */
{
char c;
int status;
status = read(0, &c, 1);
if (status == -1) return(0);
else return(c & 0x7f);
}
From: Mike.Bloxham@f22.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Bloxham)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Rootimage 97-1
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:25:07 -0800

Hi All-
    I am just starting to look at installing Linux.  I have had some
experience with Minix in the past, but Linux looks great!  I just got
the bootimage and rootimage files from txs-11 and noticed that the
rootimage file is larger than a 1.2mb 5.25" floppy.  Rawrite errors
after it finishes track 79.  Is this a problem?  I could actually load
the diskette though!  Not sure if it is complete.  

thanks,
mike

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From: frank@cs.yorku.ca (Frank Pikelner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: PS and adduser/admutil
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:33:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1426
Distribution: world
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

Has anyone else had problems compiling these programs? I would assume that since
the programs have been up on the FTP site for some time that they should work.
When I try to compile PS I get errors in the CRYPT file. For the ADDUSER program,
I get an error message 'unreliable "getc" function - wierd? Also the program
compiles. but runs into an endless loop and keeps asking about ROOT permissions
for a user. For the ADMUTIL the program crashes again with the CRYPT problem.

I'm running 0.97pl1, with GCC 2.2.2d . I'll apply the pl2 patch tonight and have
another go. Is my error that I am not running the second patch, or do I need
to have the old 2.2.2 libs? Also I simply MAKE the makefile, should I be more
explicit with:

make -I /usr/src/linux   ???

I'dlike to know if its just me or the programs do have problems.

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From: moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (gary a moyer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: tweaking the kernel
Keywords: HD controllers
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:10:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6027

I am in the process of trying to get the kernel to compile.  Due to 
limited memory size I would like to squeeze the kernel down to the
essesntials.  My question is this:  can I omit the scsi drivers by
modifying the config.dist.h and removing all the scsi #def's?  I
am only using and IDE controller so I see no need for any of the
scsi drivers.
           Thanks.

==
  Gary Moyer
  moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bryanf@hpmcaa (Bryan Ford)
Subject: Re: GNU kids on the block?   (sorry... couldn't resist)
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:57:33 GMT

lm@slovax.Eng.Sun.COM (Larry McVoy) writes:
> steve@hacker.UUCP (Stephen M. Youndt) writes:
> : but I feel very strongly about one thing [...]
> : (according to rumors :-), and that's reloadable device drivers.  
> : It just seems that the micro kernel people are the only ones doing it.
> 
> SunOS has had loadable device drivers, system calls, and functions (I'm
> not sure what you use the last one for but there it is) since SunOS 4.1.

So has AmigaDOS, since 1.0. :-)

				Bryan

bryanf@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: HELP: SLS distribution install fails with bad magic number.
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:15:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: nwnexus.1992Aug30.001542.20626
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505

sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram) writes:

>I am installing linux on my machine for the first time and am Using the SLS
>distribution. I am getting a bad magic number problem on the 1st install 
>disk. 

the first two disks in SLS are linux 'images' (basically looked like a 0.96c
boot disk and a modified 'root' disk to me).

you stick disk 1 in there and boot the PC.  when it asks you to stick in the
'root' disk, put disk2 in there and follow the instructions.

>Where can I get more info on the SLS distribution? I know next to nothing about
>linux and its installation and am not sure how to go about doing this. I deleted
>my Boot manager and DOS partition. Doinstall tells me to do a mkfs first. Which
>wants me to do a fdisk first. 

I personally used 'mcc-interim' to install the basic o/s and utilities.
SLS's value to me would be that it packages stuff in such a way that I can
cd to /, then extract a tar file and load a complete package if I choose to
grab it.  I didn't care for the menus myself, but they DID seem to work.
(I like the command line interface rather than canned install thingy's that
I have to trust)...still, it seemed pretty much as advertised IMHO, but
I'd agree there's a need for some type of documentation that is SLS-specific.

anyway, I did the following:
	- from DOS, partitioned 70% of the disk for DOS5.0
	- booted linux from the mcc-interim distribution, and set up
		the rest the way I wanted for linux.  SLS seems to have
		similar ability to walk you through getting the initial o/s
		loaded relatively painlessly.

>Where do I get the mkfs? And where can I find the fdisk for linux, if any?

it's on the disk1 I believe. If you boot off the disk1, it'll be there
when it tells you to set up the hard disk.

>Now the fdisk will not allow me to delete the OS2 "Ext DOS Partition" - this 
>is the DOS fdisk. Is there a linux fdisk?

you use the DOS fdisk with DOS, and the linux fdisk for linux partitions.

>Any info would be greatly appreciated!

you need to find the FAQs.  Take a peek via anon-ftp on tsx-11.mit.edu
if you have internet access.
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From: probreak@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ld86 source
Date: 27 Aug 1992 15:07:00 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: chester.ksu.ksu.edu

I need to find source for ld86. I grabbed the file bin86.tar.Z off of tsx-11,
but when it compiles ld86, build in /usr/src/linux barfs about it not being
a minix header on the boot files it is trying to link. Could someone just
try to email to me. Thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dsimmons@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Simmons)
Subject: WD Ethernets, Xwindows, and SparcStations...
Summary: Trying to link to Sparc with X...
Keywords: etherrnet
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 03:38:59 GMT


Hello!  I have a question...
Would it be possible for me to use my PC as an X terminal by running
X in Linux over an ethernet (Western Digital)?
Can I even run X?  I have a 386 w/ only 2 MB Ram and a 40 MB linux
partition (80 MB total)...
I'm trying to connect to a Sun SparcStation that is on the same network...
Thanx!

David Simmons
dsimmons@msms.ee.msstate.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sinclair@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David A. Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Minicom and X?
Summary: here's how to fix it (sorta)
Keywords: Minicom X Arrowkeys
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:22:22 GMT

In article <whitney2.715389864@husc10> whitney2@husc10.harvard.edu (Wayne Whitney) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm somewhat new to X, having run Linux a while without it, and I
>noticed a small discrepancy between Minicom's behavior running in an
>xterm and running not under X: mimciom doesn't recognize the arrow
>keys while running under an xterm (this makes it difficult to navigate
>the menus, as well as send the arrow keys to a remote host).  Just
>using the arrow keys at the command line bash prompt of an xterm works
>OK, though.  Does anyone know how to change this behaviour?  Thanks.
>
>Wayne Whitney
>whitney2@husc.harvard.edu
>
>-- 
>---
>Wayne Whitney
>whitney2@husc.harvard.edu

You can enable the arrow keys by doing a Cntrl-MB2 (on a three-button
mouse anyway) while the minicom window is active; this will bring up a
"VT Window Options" (or something like that -- I'm at work right now,
so I can't check the menu name) menu, from which you can select
"Enable application cursor movement keys" to enable your arrow keys.
It'd be nicve to have this as a command line option to xterm -- does
anyone know how to do this from the command line??!

Cheers,
Chester
sinclair@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson)
Subject: Re: 16550A
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:22:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.215550.26919@athena.mit.edu> tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
>   From: satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru)
>   Date: 25 Aug 92 02:11:42 GMT
>
>    > Does anyone else have problems with Linux not correctly "shutting down"
>    > the 16550?  Ever since the kernel has supported a 16550, I have had to
>    > hard reset the computer after running linux, or it seems that the
>    > computer "forgets" that the port that contains the 16550, exists.
>
>   I have always had this problem. I usually just hard reboot if I need
>   to use the modem again. Would be nice if this could be fixed.
>
>Once I have time to recover from moving to a new apartment, I'll make
>changes to the version of the serial driver I've been working on to
>shutdown the 16550A FIFO's upon device close, instead of leaving the
>FIFO's enabled the whole time.  I think this should fix the problem.
>
>						- Ted
>

I've been having problems with 16450's in my two Linux machines.  I haven't
noticed it with my serial mouse, but my modem lines get forgotten my
Linux.  It doesn't happen all the time, so it is unpredictable.  I will
be connected somewhere, then all of a sudden get a little line noise and
the serial port goes dead.  If I disconnect the phone line quick enough,
I can sometimes drop carrier and regain my serial port.  Otherwise, it
is dead until I reboot.  This has happened with an internal modem in both
of my machines, and with an external modem in my 386DX.  I can "cat" files
to the serial ports after this has occured, but the modem light don't
come on so it acts like a "bit bucket".  I don't get any "busy" messages
or any kind of errors, I just can't use the ports.  "stty sane" doesn't
do it.  

Has anyone else encountered this problem or have any suggestions for getting 
around this?  I hate to reboot the machine each time I lose the serial port.

I had originally thought it was just the internal modem, but it must be
Linux because it happens with more than one serial port on more than one
machine.  I use 16450's only.

Thanks for any help,


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From: ajt@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Berkeley mail?
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:17:53 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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Sean Eckton (ecktons@sirius.byu.edu) wrote:
: > Well, the mail program in mailpak is sort of BSDish.  But
: > why use mail when you can use ELM?

I've just compiled the elm mailer under linux 0.97 and it is really nice!

I _was_ using "ream" previously which is good too, but elm 2.3 is the
first version of elm to tempt me away from ream.  Ream is by Paul
Dourish and I got it from Edinburgh University in the UK.

: Actually, a better mail system (I think) is PINE.  Take a look at it.  You  
: might find that it is MUCH better than anything else.  If I remember right,  
: elm uses vi to do its mail editing.  Pine has a completely different editor  

wrong: elm looks for the EDITOR variable in your environment and you
can set it to your favourite editor (I use ue).  If you don't setenv
EDITOR elm will default to a compiled in default (/usr/ucb/vi unless
you edit the header file).

	Tony.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: LILO and extended partitions
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:52:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.143355.27893@inmet.camb.inmet.com> newbie@dylan.camb.inmet.com (Chris Newbold) writes:
> I grabbed the new alpha version 4 of LILO off tsx the other day. I've been
> trying to install it to boot Linux out of an extended _parition_

Hmm ... LILO can only boot from the first disk and only primary partitions
and an extended partition itself, not the logical partitions (/dev/[hs]da5,
...). However, it needs those partitions only to store its first stage boot
loader. Everything else can be on any type of partition on any drive.

> I have two SCSI drives /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. The first drive is all
> Messy-LOSS, Windows, OS/2 and Windows NT.

There seems only the MBR (/dev/sda) to be left. You might be able to re-
arrange things and to create an extended partition, but this may be a bit
messy. (Or you could put Windows on the same partition as MS-DOS and make
a small boot partition for LILO.)

If you use LILO as your MBR, you should make a backup copy of your old
MBR (probably some boot switcher) and make sure you can boot all other
systems with LILO (msdos=/etc/lilo/chain.b+/dev/hda1@/dev/hda \
windows=/etc/lilo/chain.b+/dev/hda2@/dev/hda ...).

If this doesn't work, you might want to try BOOTLIN.

> When I ran "lilo -i boot.b /usr/src/0.97-pl1/Image" I got the message
> "Could not install boot sector in extended parition 0x815". Why is this
> happening?

LILO assumed that you'd want to put your boot sector on the partition that
is currently mounted as root, because you didn't specify the -b option.
BTW, it said "logical partition". Booting from extended partitions is per-
fectly valid, although a bit unusual.

- Werner
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: yhe@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Youda He)
Subject: Slow SCSI performance
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:22:11 GMT

I had this problem from 0.97pl1, and now pl2, when SCSI is accessed, the
system seems stop to respond to other vc, and SCSI itself is SLOW. sometimes
the hard drive LED light but nothing happened, when this happened, I usually
can issue some command on other vc and the "deadlock" on SCSI seemed resolved.
the system is:
33 MHZ 486 with AHA1542B Maxter 8760S, the files systems are sda3 32MB swap 
(I don't know I need it since I have 16MB memary), sda4 64MB minix, sda5 100MB
on logical device, sda5 200MB also a logical device. sda[56] are extended files
systems. I guess the problems may be that I use extended file systems on 
extended partition on a SCSI drive? can I repartition the system that not use
the extended partition solve the problem? The other partitions are used for
OS/2, so the system must coexist with OS/2.

Thanks.

-- Youda
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Staker like file system
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:53:17 GMT

Bill Miller (slix@svcs1.UUCP) wrote:

: For me particularly, compressed filesystems are a real blessing - they
: saved me the need to go out and get a bigger hard drive.  OTOH, it seems
: that I need a bigger one now to run linux and my DOS stuff. :(

Programmer's Rule #1:  There is *never* enough disk space.  Files grow
until they fill all available disk space, regardless of disk size. :)

It's true.  Just ask any anon ftp site admin. :)
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