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From: cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:16:50 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cross Access Corp., Santa Clara, CA
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ssr@radiomail.net (Dave Kucharczyk) writes:
: In article <790@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
: > pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) writes:
[stuff deleted]
: carl,
: 
: if there was no one around, and she wasn't endangering anyone, then all
: the cop is doing is collecting revenue.  the idea behind such laws was
: (and still should be) to make driving/riding safer.  if you do it safely,
: then you shouldn't get a ticket.  a warning, maybe.  
I have mixed agreement/disagreement
when we begin to allow individuals to decide for themselves when it is OK
or not to disobey the law, then we get into worrisome ground!
"Officer, the car was a mile away from the intersection, plenty of time ...
"Officer, the car was a block away, and my Corvette accelerates to 60 in ...
"Officer, the car was 30 feet away, but my rocket cycle could get across ...
Granted, I am being somewhat facitious above, but I hope you get my point.
The laws are for consistency so it is safe (or at least predictable)
at all times for all people.  
: 
: i've seen cops let old geezers go after nearly causing a multi car 
: collision.  same goes for judges.  they feel sorry for them, and totaly  
: disregard the fact that next time they might kill someone, maybe me, maybe you
I agree with you that the above is TOTALLY wrong!

: i saw a biker get found guilty of running a red light after explaining that his  
: motorcyle wouldn't trigger the light sensor, it was 2am and no traffic, so he  
: went through it.  
I have seen the same identical situation, both in court and on the road.
In court the Judge actually did dismiss the charge (cyclist was a 17-18 year
old and his father appeared with him).  On the road, 280 and Saratoga/Sunnyvale
a cyclist did the dame thing after waiting 3 lights, with a cop a block back.
The cop listened and then let him go.  So not all are unreasonable.
                   the whole system of traffic enforecemnt (for our own good and  
: safety of course..) is such a farce, that you should ALWAYS fight your tickets
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^  I really have to disagree
: unless you really feel you deserved it.
By all means fight your ticket if you feel you were ticketed incorrectly;
we differ on the issue of whether one deserves it.  We are all old enough
to know that if you break the law you should expect to suffer the consequences.
Carl
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From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:33:57 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.

In article <789@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
>[...]
>However, as a motorcycle rider, too, I must say that I really dislike
>other cyclists "splitting the lane".  I dont care if it is "legal".
>I think it is dangerous, "unfair", and inflamatory.  70-90% of those
>that I see who split the lane do it in what I believe automobile
>drivers think is a "hot shot" fashion.  And like it or not, it makes
>enough of them hostile to motorcyclists that it puts ME (and YOU) in danger
>when I ride.  I would vote FOR prohibiting such action.
>(this has been irritating me for some time; this finally seemed like
>the time to say it)
>carl
>-- 
>Carl Jones                        INTERNET: cjones@dbaccess.com

Great.  Another "it annoys me, so other people shouldn't be allowed
to do it" opinion, only this time it comes from someone who claims to
be a fellow motoryclist.

Let's address your three points:

1) It's dangerous.  If this is the case, why does the CHP consider
   it the strategy of lesser risk for motorcyclists in stop-and-go
   freeway traffic?  Consider the danger of a motorcylist being
   sandwiched; it's extremely high, and this is why the CHP tolerates
   lane-sharing.

2) It's unfair.  This is just plain ridiculous.  Because a bike is
   capable of moving through stopped traffic (and therefore, taking
   up less space and causing less congestion) it somehow should not
   be allowed to do so merely because cars cannot do the same thing?
   Maybe cars shouldn't be allowed to have roofs; I think car drivers
   should get wet when it rains, too.
   
3) It's inflammatory.  Only to fuckheads; pardon my language if it
   offends you, but anybody angered by someone else's ability to get
   through traffic is exactly that.  Actually, I've found that more
   and more drivers are accepting and accomodating of lane sharing;
   I will not feel bad for those jerks that are somehow offended by it.

It doesn't sound like you spend a very large proportion of your
time on your motorcycle, Carl.  You are looking at this issue like
a closed-minded cager.  BTW, I drive a car about half the time in
the winter, so I see lane-sharing from both perspectives.  I move over
for lane-sharers, and wish them well on their way.

I agree that reckless lane-splitting is reprehensible.  However, it
seems to me, from the tone of your post, that you don't really care
about the safety issue; you are merely fuming in your metal box when
someone passes you on a motorcycle.  All I can say to that is...tough
luck, buddy.  Ride your motorcycle more often, and you'll understand.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:23:17 GMT

In article <mellon.722199703@pepper> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>Carl,

>Many courtrooms nowadays, however, have abandoned the notion that safe and
>prudent behaviour is more important than obedience to the letter of the law.
>The result of this is that people no longer respect the law, because they see
>that it is enforced with an eye to generating revenues, rather than to
>promoting the public safety.   For example, the notion that a speed limit of
>55 on 280 between Los Altos Hills and San Bruno makes sense is ludicrous,
>and everybody knows it.   So everybody disobeys the law.   Because they know
>that the law they routinely disobey is ludicrous, they assume that other,
>less bogus laws are too.   The result is a reduction, not an increase, in
>traffic safety.   Frankly, it's a pretty sad sight.

Re: the 280 example. I was coming back to SF on 280, just north of Magdelena,
doing about 75 (ie, just a TOUCH slower than the flow of traffic; I was in
the 2nd to right-most lane), when this CHP car zooms up behind me, then changes 
lanes and accelerates past me (and everyone else, for that matter). He didn't
have his lights on, so it didn't appear he was chasing anyone. 

In any event, your point is well-taken in this case. If those who enforce the
law ignore it, it is difficult to take the law seriously. 

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:59:56 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes:

>In article <74238@apple.apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>>"Fight Your Ticket" is hopelessly optimistic -
>>from what I've seen the courts don't like Joe Average defending himself

>system is there to make money for the state and local government, not
>to make driving safer, and the book is pretty clear about that at the
>end.

True, but you notice that section is at the END of the book, so you likely
won't read it until you've already bought it?!
-- 
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:10:53 GMT

In article <1e8v9dINNe5n@fido.asd.sgi.com>, spencer@hailwood (Paul Spencer) writes:
>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) says:
>> What are conditions like on the old San Jose-Santa Cruz Road that sort
>> of parallels 17?
>
>The road starts in Soquel as Soquel-San Jose road, which ends at Summit
>Road (same road as Skyline, the name changes in Santa Cruz County). The
>`old San Jose road' goes north from Summit; all paved, but I haven't been
>on it, conditions unknown.

I used to live in Soquel when I was going to school at UCSC, and
I used to take this route to my parents home in the vally .  It's much
more interesting than 17 and safer too.  There is one streach fo
several miles that's tight and narrow with lots of trees to dump
leaves on the road.  Beware of fog as you get closer to the ocean.
Take a map with you, you have to turn onto another road for bit
(Summit I believe).  

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
            TCSI Berkeley, CA USA  (510) 649-3781
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:36:20 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs

---
Thanks for all the responses!  Thanks also to Landon Dyer, Beth
Dixon, Curtis Jackson, Ian Clements, & Phil Stone for email
replies.  I now have itineraries for more weekends than there
are before the rain begins to pelt down.

I have a summary which I can mail or post if anybody wants a
copy.

---
c j silverio	cj@sgi.com	ceej@well.sf.ca.us
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley FUtures
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:55:13 GMT
Distribution: ba

efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>1) After that five years, historically, a Harley does not depreciate 
>all that much (if at all) unlike a cage (or jap bike - excuse my 
>language). You need a different attitude about this.

I won't comment on whether or not an 883 sportster will really hold its
value that well, although I will point out that a 1200 cruiser is probably
a better deal, even though it costs more up front - it will definitely
hold its value better than an 883, and it will also be a lot more fun to
ride.   Just my opinion, though - I'm sure that there are lots of 883
sportster owners out there who would disagree with me.

Anyway, I would like to say that I'm quite pleased by how little flamage
there has been about the relative merits of rice rockets versus hogs, and
I hope that state of affairs will continue into the future - we all like
our bikes for various reasons, and our reasons are all valid, for us.
Rec.motorcycles got very unpleasant to read when the Harley crowd and the
Ricerocket crowd got into flame wars - I hope we can avoid degenerating
to that level here.

				_MellON_
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From: norman@netsys.com (Norman Gillaspie)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: wanted motorcycle trailer
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:01:56 GMT
Organization: Netsys Inc.

I am looking for a motorcycle trailer for my Suzuki 1400. I prefer a
used one. Alternatly has anyone seen any at a local bay area dealer?
	Norman

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From: spiros@wave.asd.sgi.com (Spiros Bouas)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: K75 ...
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:02:12 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Where do I go for a good selection of BMW's ?
The paper has too few and most dealerships mark them way the hell up!!
From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley FUtures
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:52:46 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <a2mO02KR2bX101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>In article <25833@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>--
>>"..according to Chinese law, most suicides are considered criminal offenses
>>against Socialism and the Communist Party.  When someone takes his own life
>>members of the family are often punished, on the principle that they must have
>>either condoned or been influenced by the 'incorrect thought'.." -Iron & Silk
>
>Almost as bad a arresting someone for attempted suicide.

Hell, after the Tiananmen Square massacre, the Chinese government took the
rebel leaders and executed them.  Then charged their families for the cost of
the bullets.

Sets a new standard for coldness, doesn't it?

BTW, remember the guy who stood solitary against the tank in the Square?
Minutes later, he was dragged into an alley and shot.

ObMoto: Hmm... sorry, guys.

Manish

Do not know love when the spring flowers bloom
An inch of love is an inch of ashes.
                                          - T'ang dynasty poem
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack "through-the-ear" walky-talkies?
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
Distribution: ba
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:04:58

In article <foo> robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:
   Has anyone tried the Radio Shack "through-the-ear" (they use the earpiece to
   pick up your voice through your ear) voice-actuated walky-talkies for 
   inter-cycle communications?

   If so, were the results good, bad, or indifferent?

Yes.  I tried 'em.  They suck.  The through-the-ear ones have so much gain
that, even idling my motorcycle, the fool things would just yammer away!

I ended up buying the regular headset ones and installing 'em in my (full-face)
helmet.  That worked much better -- you just can't beat a mike right in front
of the mouth.

It's not that hard.  There are four lines coming up through the cable to the
headset:  signal to the headphone, signal from the mike (coax shielded), 
signal to the antenna (coax), and ground (the shields of the two coax cables,
which are tied together).

I used a four-conductor shielded mini-DIN connector, to install headsets 
in a TGV [mumble], a $35 Wal-Mart special, a Shoei TF-70, and an RF-200.

Snip the main cable -- <snip>, choose a mini-DIN pinout, install on
the stump of the cable.  Choose an ear (left or right) fish the mike
through the jaw part of the helmet to that earhole, fish the antenna
around the back or over the top of the visor (being careful not to
break the load on the bottom of the antenna), wire everything to a
mini-DIN, cut a small hole through the foam near the earhole, epoxy the
mini-DIN against the shell, and install the headphone. (I used little
hollowed-out scraps of foam, glued in place for all but the TF-70, which
had fabric covering the ear holes -- I slitted it, dropped the speaker
in, and resealed with fabric glue)  

Presto!  Your helmet is wired for sound.  Legal, too -- as long as it's
only *one* ear...

Even the headphone sets tended to spontaneously VOX-activate on the highway.
So I rigged up a PTT switch on the handlebars, routed down next to the ignition
key.  I could put the 'talkie in my glasses pocket, with the wires leading up 
to the helmet, and a cable going down to the ignition key.  Used a regular
mono mini-phono plug, so it unplugs itself if I forget and get off the bike
without undoing the switch.

Using a stereo mini-phono, and a 7809 chip on the bike, you could also route
power into the 'talkie, so as not to use up precious batteries on the road.
--
Craig DeForest -- `Before hitting "F", ENGAGE BRAIN'
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley FUtures
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:19:03 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <25833@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>

Stuff about ride, etc. deleted------------

>Well..  where's the $4000 stripper Sporty that I'm expecting to see ?
>gulp..  I look at the XLH 883 Hugger and spot the out the door
>price...  $7000  sheesh..  that freight, setup, doc, lic  and
>8% or so sales tax do add a bit don't it ?   I look at the
>packaged financing they offer..   hmmm  $700 down (I could do that)
>hmm  $141 a month (I could do that)  hmmm  60 months  (ackkk...
>I can't see paying on a motorcycle for 5 years !!!!  it's
>going to have to be either cash on the table, or I find anothe
>method of financing !!!)

Yeah, 5 years is a long time, but just renenber the two most 
important things:

1) After that five years, historically, a Harley does not depreciate 
all that much (if at all) unlike a cage (or jap bike - excuse my 
language). You need a different attitude about this.

2) With Slick Willie (tm) (i.e. Bill Clinton) as president-elect, you 
can assume (at least I am going to) that your payments will dwindle 
into nothingness after he starts spending money. Ah, I just dream of 
my $1700 mortgage payment being the equivalent of a car payment in 
four years................

> heck...  one of those is going to be MINE soon !
>
>-t.c.
>
>
>
>--
>"..according to Chinese law, most suicides are considered criminal offenses
>against Socialism and the Communist Party.  When someone takes his own life
>members of the family are often punished, on the principle that they must have
>either condoned or been influenced by the 'incorrect thought'.." -Iron & Silk

Almost as bad a arresting someone for attempted suicide.

Later, Eddie
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:52:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1ebf8kINNicn@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>
>Name? Something creative like `Maps of Northern California'. It's 1000%
>better than AAA maps; it shows altitudes, and ALL roads. The AAA maps are
>way overrated IMHO.
>
>It's available at Cal BMW, and at that map store in the Stanford Mall.
I think "that map store in the Stanford Mall" is called Phileas Fogg's.
They have many travel-related books as well as maps.

Jim, before you go to Fogg's at Stanford, check out the map rack at
Stacey's in downtown Palo Alto.  It at the bottom of the stairs...
look for the globe at the top of the rack.  On a shelf nearby are
Thomas Bros. maps, too.  I think you know Stacey's....  :-)

Beth


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Beth E. Dixon               DoD #0384            bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                    AMA #631903
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: scott@ictv.com (Scott Watters)
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:35:39 GMT

In article <74493@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
	   * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike without a car
	     on the policy.  However, their auto rates were much cheaper than what
	     I was paying at Allstate, so I had no problem switching.
	
I don't know who told you this but State Farm insures ONLY my 93
CBR900RR. I have AAA for my house and Jeep. Granted it may cost me
more $ if I don't get the multi vehicle discount but full coverage
with lots of liability and $250 deductable costs me $500 per year. I'm
31 years old with a clean record (0 points).



-- 
Scott R. Watters      |  aka  scott@ictv.com  |                 1993 CBR900RR
ICTV  280 Martin Ave. |                       |                        #00132
Santa Clara, CA       |  go big or stay home  |
(408)562-9200         |                       |              Bridgestone MB-1
From: dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Repair schools?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:14:39 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035

Does anyone know of schools that teach motorcycle mechanics? I've seen
an ad by Sequia but am skeptical about that place (I've heard some bad
things). It's time that I learned more about my bike and how it runs and
with the cost of repairs going up it seems like a good idea to do it
myself. How do the people that repair bikes for a living learn? On the
job training? Start off by changing the plugs and oil and learn while
you go? Sounds resonable I guess. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: terry@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Terry Greenlee)
Subject: 1977 Harley FLH for sale
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:03:12 GMT

For sale : 1977 Harley Davidson FLH
           1340 cc   S&S Carb
           Stored for the last 5 years
           Must sell  $5,500

  Call Jack (408)294-8536
From: alexb@sybase.com (Alex Burmester)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: NOJ QUIETRIDER,  ANYONE HAVE ONE?
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:31:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


	I have seen these availible mail order but I was wondering if anyone
has one?  Do they work,  Are they comfortable,  Could I make one, etc...
				Drop me an email if you have road tested one.
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