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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Bring 'em on!
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:10:42 GMT
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In article <FNORD-L%92081315031757@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET (General Mills) writes:
>Salamander says:
>>>>   Not that it should matter, but lest you take me for a fundamentalist, I
>>>>am a confirmed atheist and have no use for deities in any form.
>Congratulating you would be redundant here, Sally (may I call you Sally?),
>since you seem able to congratulate yourself.  Your comment sounds to me
>like something RAW would say, thus undercutting itself.  Nice loop.
>
>And Alex Martelli contributes:
>>Signal to noise ratio close to 0, IMHO.  Which is why I had once proposed
>>an alt.fan.raw, but it fell flat.  So now I'm haunting r.a.b - after
>>all if ALL books are to be discussed here, why not Wilson's!

Actually this thread is me arguing with a born- again xtian on alt.satanism

Wilson came up & I suppose someone crossposted it here.

-Scott
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:49:01 PDT
From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject:      re: paranoia II
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mighty mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU
gives us a fine little bit that reminds us that WORK is nothing but a prison
of MEASURED TIME. smash a clock.

I don't wear a watch and am very happy about it.....

joe provo

Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions as mine."
jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu                                       jzp@gene.ummed.edu
    Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development     (NIC handle: JZP)
                            Rev. Dkr. Nick LaRG0, ASC
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:49:12 EDT
From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Sinisism, Love & Haight
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Does anywon here know of any mailing lists regarding the following:

William Burroughs			Misfits
Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV		They Might Be Giants
REsearch Magazine			Conspiracy Theories
Survival Research Laboratory		the Pixies
Jim Carrol				Charles Bukowski
World Power Foundation			The Church of the SubGenius
The Weather Underground and other radical political groups of
  the american 1960's

...or any other mail groups where the underbelly of industrial
society is discussed?

of course, I'm not the least bit interested in these things: I'm
asking for a friend.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~robert holder~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~       unix beast wrassler  us geological survey        ~
~ robert@whiplash.er.usgs.gov  st petersburg florida usa ~
~ FREEDOM HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN EXPENSIVE THING dr m l king ~
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:23:00 EDT
From:         Slimm Laramie <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      The story so far . . .

Mr. Whiplash says:
>Do you think I am a defeatist?  I am a realist.  And I am not a cynic either.
Realist?  Hey, buddy, do you know what's real?  Whats you gots, pal, is a way
of lookin' at things, and that way I call CYNICISM.  Fair enough.  You might
look for the source of your Bleak View within, Mr. Twain, but I'm not going
to argue because I don't feel like being the human race's cheerleader right
now.  I've got this cheerleader problem, see . . .
I agree about hypocrisy, by the way, but more about that later.

And from mbm:
>that on the instant rules out new forms of language and being.  Talking about
>the new is fine, but what is wrong with trying to enact it on fnord? That
Thank you, mbm, thank you.
This was my point about the anarchy question.  Would you, for
example, expect orderly discussion on an anarchist list?  Or, closer to home,
on a list that claims to embrace Discordianism?  If you talk the talk, isn't
it okay to walk the walk?

>seemed to me to be what was happening. I learned things about expression from
>Salamander, from Foss, from Merciful Lee Dickens, and others. Language and
Salamander?!?!  Poetry?!?!?!  Did I nod off?
I thought Salamander was the Guy Who Would Complain About Poetry.  Sally (do
you mind if I call you Sally?), are you gonna take that slur on your character?
One way of looking at this li'l matter, that will be perhaps familiar and
acceptable to even the strict list constructionists, is this:
I think Pat, Salamander, and whoever, want New Ways of Thinking talk to
stick to the 3rd circuit.  It doesn't seem meaningful unless it's
intellectual (and intelligible, hyuk!).  I notice a seeming dislike of the
weird, the confusing, and the silly by you guys (I include here Mr. Alex
Martelli, who, I'm told, can't hear me so why do I bother?).

Hypocrisy: Yes, mbm, I like to talk freely about stuff.  I would hate to
be held accountable for every half-assed remark I made.  But, to embrace the
ideas that this list embraces, AND want everyone to behave, is too much
for me to swallow.  Maybe Robert Holder would agree . . . ?

alp
From: jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
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Subject: majcher...
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:20:05 GMT
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ooooh - anon forward from ExDroppings? Won't they sue you if they find out?

new or old, a way of thinking that lasts more than five minutes MUST DIE.
]
joe, feeling a bit under the weather
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jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu                                       jzp@gene.ummed.edu
    Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development     (NIC handle: JZP)
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:13:01 CDT
From:         Kenn Thomas <SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sinisism, Love & Haight
              17 Aug 1992 17:49:12 EDT from <robert@WHIPLASH.ER. USGS.GOV>

If you get any answers, let me know.  You should know about Steamshovel Press,
though.  It's a "conspiracy theory" zine that not's available as a list.  Curre
nt issue has interviews with Kennedy assassination researchers (MArk Lane, Jim
Marrs, Dick Gregory and Kerry Thornley), plus stuff on AIDS and flying saucers.
  Next issue has stuff on Danny Casolaro and INSLAW and an article based on the
 prison file of Wilhelm Reich.  Avaialble for $4 plus $1 postage from 5927 King
sbury, St. Louis, MO 63112.
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From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject:      re: exdrosse
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as you can well see by their fucking 'board', they are well on their way
to becoming just another mildly uninteresting psuedo-think tank.

joe
who wonders how horrible it would be if the economic-worshipping creatures
were the ones who did achieve life-extension....
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:49:26 EDT
From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Reply to hypocrite anarchist
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make not things these sense do
change and what lovely goddamn is it
sense make not do things these
is it change goddamn lovely a what and
eseht sgniht od ton ekam esnes
dna tahw a ylevol nmaddog egnahc ti si

exterminate all rational thot

your personal pal,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~robert holder~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~       unix beast wrassler  us geological survey        ~
~ robert@whiplash.er.usgs.gov  st petersburg florida usa ~
~ FREEDOM HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN EXPENSIVE THING dr m l king ~
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From:         "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory / Of the Coming of the Lord /
              They've Been Spindled,
              They've Been Folded / They Were Broken by the Fnord..."
              <cheating@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OH, BY THE WAY...

So, _that's_ where mes beaux yeux went.  I'd been wondering, having
missed the mobile you'd intended to show at the Met, I'm glad they
have the potential for use in Winston Churchill Anklet's good hands.

So, does anyone yet feel superior enough so that I might get them back?

M (45 hours, I think...)
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:44:58 EDT
From:         LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      A LOVER'S PRAYER

Goodnight, Fnord-L; How I long to hold your tender collective body in
my arms and gently, ever so gently, rotate your neck and show you the
jagged, protruding stump of your spinal column which I have saved for
you, like a precious jewel.
Cuthbert
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:35:00 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Salamander

>That list was created for the discussion of Extropian ideas
>and such - much as this one was created for the discussion of
>RAW/Leary, et al...and, from what I've seen over the last year+, I'd
>say that their list policies work a lot better than this one's...

Bravo, Salamander.  I've never seen anyone miss the point quite so thoroughly.
I don't care what the Extropians do.  I tried to use their policies as a
springboard for an independent and relevant discussion, which you claim
to prize so much, when you can keep up.  Can we try to get out of
complaining mode now?

Forget the Extropians.  I'll rephrase:
Can you successfully (and sincerely) advocate anarchy without behaving in
an anarchic manner?
Please, try again.

alp
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:05:00 EDT
From:         "A. Leicester of Yark" <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Hair chowder

"Merciful Lee Dickens" bleats:
>Could you repeat the Question?

That!, sir, is where you are WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
Did you really believe, in such days as these, or entertain without, that ever
such as ri is, which you well know, thought so?
Not hardly, my beaming beano, not hardly.

Not to mention mention in selfsame sent(i)ents as Foss and thereby compare
direct therewith?
Again, not hardly.

Nor that thy head would be cleaved in twain like the clouds?
Nay, not hardly.

Nor that Salamander (pardon me if i get a bit mythical for a moment) would
have his tail chewn off but lo! it would grow back on the third day?
Nay, nay, stop pestering me, brethren!

What the subject?

alp
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:00:49 EDT
From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Puppies & Rainbows
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i hate doing this, i really hate it.

I'm NOT going to shut up.  When I see something worthwhile
come over my screen I'll be glad to shut up, but I'm
not going to follow your command.  who are you?  why
should I?

Contemptible crybaby? at least I'm not a monotonous
DRONE.  you wanna play iconoclast?  that crowd eats what
it dishes out, they eat their own young. let's do it!

you don't have a New Idea For The Day, so you fake it
with some "Clever Personal Attack".  SHOW US SOMETHING
NEW!!! I can get flat abuse anywhere.

I really had a good laugh at myself at first, but then
it dawned on me: you're not fucking around.  you really
DO think you're some kind of authority.  Maybe you could
provide a little include file with your credentials as
Mr. Harder-core Than You.

i don't give a shit if you think I'm whining.  you wanna
dish it out?  then learn to take it.

you're kidding me right?  you're not really laying on me
that you have analyzed my head and my life and found it
wanting, laying your "toughen up" spiel on me for my
edification or your amusement?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~robert holder~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~       assistant unix troll   us geological survey      ~
~ robert@whiplash.er.usgs.gov  st petersburg florida usa ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~VISUALIZE THE SAME OLD SHIT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:07:10 EDT
From:         LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      WUNNAFUL, WUNNAFUL, WUNNAFUL

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen; that concludes our program for the
evening.  We'll be back at the next full moon with more of that insipid
bleating drivel you've all come to know and love, but in the meantime,
we'll turn the program over to a really fine bunch of musicians and all
round good guys who'd like to tell you about how they found the Buddha.
Until next time...
Has anybody seen my Tim Leary trading cards?
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:11:00 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Straighten THIS out, pal!

>From:         "The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly"
>Subject:      This was posted to Leri-l, but I think it fits here, too...

Pat, perhaps you'd care to explain exactly how it fits here, because I don't
see it.  I have seen the sort of stuff Raby speaks of on Leri-L; that's why,
in a new bold daring Solution To The Problem, I unsubscribed.
Personal stuff: some examples please, Pat, so that the guilty parties Might
Know Their Crimes and Desist.
I thought your post especially inappropriate given all the coherent discussion
of late.

And from the Human Bugaloo:
>  Although some show distinct tendencies toward Bobbie-ism
Nicely said.  Could you say that again next week, and the week after?

GM
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From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Mr. Parker's Fluid Retention
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MAN, I never meant to fuck everything up.

I publicly apologize to rollide and jprovo.  I have liked
their stuff a lot since I joined this group.  It has
enlivened my DRY life.  like this:

> Date:         Fri, 10 Jul 1992 13:49:00 -05
> From: Dana Rollins <ROLLIDE@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU>
> Subject:      Mr. Parker's Fluid Retention
>
> Fetch me another drink - easy on the ice - and then be gone.
>
> Don't Let The Door Hit You On The Ass On Your Way Out,
>
> Felonious J. Cubensis

...that gave me a laugh when I read it.  I didn't come
here to fuck around fighting.  So if I did something wrong
then I apologize.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~robert holder~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~ robert@whiplash.er.usgs.gov  st petersburg florida usa ~
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:19:02 EDT
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Subject:      OH, BY THE WAY...

...thanks for the eyes, boys.  They don't work, of course, but I
figger if I mount 'em on slinky springs and attach 'em to my forhead,
I kin pick up lotsa neat chicks at parties.
Hey- We're here to make *you* feel superior, bro'.  And we'll always
be here for ya.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:59:22 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      a simple plate

	"For a simple plate of lentils is worth much more than the Vedas, the
Paranas, the Brahma-Sutra, the Upanishads, the Ramayana, the Kama-Rupas, or the
 T
the Tarakyan in terms of attaining the basoon sunk back in the shadows of the
deepmost chambers where man the actor belches canons chewing the ocular lentil
of the eye off the plate of his suffering--or barks curses when his fibers
are dislocated under the scalpel.
   When I say:
   Shit, fart of my prick
   (this fart let go in the grand imprecatory style, while belching under the
boots of the police),
   when I say: the terrors of life, solitude of my whole life,
   caca, solitary confinement, poison, *death breed*,
   scurvy of thirst,
   plague of urgency,
   god responds on the Himalaya with:
   Dialectic of science,
   arithmetic of your usufruct, existence, suffering, grated bone of the
skeleton of life turning against ATZILUTH,
  to whom,
  myself,
  I say ZUT."
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:40:33 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      brain areas

	Be aware! Be here now! Just two days ago I was picked up by my shirt
collar and presented as an object of derision to an invisible audience
whose thumbs up or thumbs down I could not even see, because in the tone of
my voice there had been a TINGE, mind you, of schoolboy earnestness in my
own academic, etc., everything you mentioned. You aren't all that new. I
recognize your name, and you should probably change your thing at the bottom,
no offense, now that Jerry is so sick. There are at least three factions on
the list of whom I have become aware, and even now my knowledge is indistinct,
for there are many references to places I have never been--their long history
has recently erupted, somehow, into a consequence of squabbling. I am not
talking to any of them, only to you, and not because of anything you said.
	The excerpt which you read was of course not my own creation--it
was					and isn't Jerry very, very sick?
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:53:00 EDT
From:         Sir Leicester of Yark <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Hegemonad

Kids,
Now's yer chance.  Take it or die.  Ya want enlightenment, ya gotta join
the hegemonastery, see?  But ya gotta give up all yer hegemoney first.
Give it to the Hegemonger at that table over there.  Then, ya gotta come
up with a hegemoniker.  Get a hall pass to show to the Hegemonitor.
Play three-card Hegemonte; Hegemonopoly is fer sissies.
Hegemondays get me down.  Cur!  Hegemongrel!
Wanna pet hegemongoose?  Ask yer father, Mr. Hegemoneybags.
Little hegemonster.

alp
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I dunno.  There's certainly a lot of static on this list, but it sorta reminds
me of the flute & chaos interludes in a Varise composition, or something twiste
d by Zappa.  I keep saying to myself I'm going to unsubscribe from FNORD-L  , a
nd then (to use someone else's metaphor) I see another gem rising out of the du
ng...  Anyway, I have to say that most of the correspondences on this list appe
ar to be among persons who have already Exterminated all rational thought long
ago.  [Although some show distinct tendencies toward Bobbie-ism]

I'm not aware of all the other lists which may share similar fnordian views.  A
re there any others like Leri-l and Xtropians?  Perhaps someone could post a li
st of alternate alternate lists {)

Gregor P.
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From:         Kenn Thomas <SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reply to Re: pigshit
              20 Aug 1992 11:22:00 -05 from <ROLLIDE@AUDUCADM.DU C.AUBURN.EDU>

I'm a big Ram Dass fan.  The next issue of Steamshovel Press has his comments a
bout African Americans; the first issue of SP carried a long interview with him
; and we currently offer a tape of a more recent interview.  Ram Dass is a less
-abrasive Leary...
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From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Let's Make A Pouch Outa This Sissy, Men!
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bring it on.
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From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject:      re: cheating....
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>This is an ongoing
>battle, a question of whether one can participate or not at the level of
>discordian or whether things must be at the level of (as jprovo puts it)
>another uninteresting pseudo-intellectual discussion group.

keep in mind that that was in ref to Xtrop that i done did say that. There are
quite a few states between those two, don't you agree...?

joe
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              19 Aug 1992 12:35:44 -0400 from <salsbury@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>

Well, of course it fits here- it would, in fact, fit anywhere.  This
tiresome business of whining about how nobody else is as interesting
as the author goes on on list after list, all over the net.  These
tedious folks are usually ignored, since most of us have long been
able to locate the delete keys on our terminals with very little help,
and have mastered net procedures to the extent that we are able to
sign off lists which don't suit our fancies.  I wish Mr. Raby well,
however, in his search for a list full of people Just Like Him, and
I even sympathize with him a bit- I was on Leri-L myself for a day or
two, and his description is fairly accurate.  Why, some goofball even
posted a message to the list breaking up with his girlfriend... by an
almost staggering coincidence, the guy who did that was ALSO named
Richard Raby.  What are the oddsa that, huh?  Two of 'em!  It boggles
the ol' bean...
My name is Wuggy Norple, and I'll be your waiter this evening...
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From:         "Kirbinni the Great" <jkirby@UB.D.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      SUBSCRIBE

this is the RAW and TL mailer right?  Please subscribe me.
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