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From: dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Response from PUC on Caller ID
Summary: Form letter with a interesting offer.
Keywords: Caller ID, PUC, Texas, SWB
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:55:29 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: CTC, Inc., Austin, TX. U.S. of A. 78757-3109


	I recieved a response to my letter to the PUC(Public Utility
	Commission) about the Caller ID vote.
	======================================================================
	PUC
	7800 Shoal Creek Blvd
	Austin, TX 78757
	
	Jan 7, 1993

	Dear Mr. Coffman

	Thank you for your letter concerning SWB's (Southwestern Bell) request
	to offer Caller ID service.

	On November 10, on a vote of 2-1 our commissioners rendered a 
	decision that the device to be utilized in providing the caller's
	name and/or number for residential customers was in violation of
	Texas laws governing traps and trace. How this issue will be finally
	be resolved is not known at this time. SWB has three options available
	for pursuing Caller ID in Texas:

	1) to amend the Caller ID request before the  PUC;
	2) ask the courts to review the Commission's decision;
	or;
	3) ask the Texas legislature to revise the laws governing traps
	and trace.

	I respect your right to disagree with the decision rendered by our
	commissioners. If you would like to follow up on the Caller ID
	request for Southwestern Bell, if you would call me around the 
	middle of February, I will be pleased to pass along any new
	information that is available.

	Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
	
	Sincerely,
	Betty A. Suthard
	Administrative Assistant.
	----------------------------------------------------------------------
	That number to call in February is (512) 458-0100.
	BTW, I've also sent a Freedom of Information Act/Texas Open Records
	Act request for the voting record to the PUC. I'll post that response
	here, they're overdue now.

	-dewey
-- 
Dewey Coffman dewey@ctci.com  All opinions expressed are unrelated to reality.
CTC, Inc.			  "That voodoo stuff don't do nothing for me."
"If you fail to plan, plan to fail" 	PANIC: waiting for a good idea.
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:00:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.051822.8048@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> George Bush, for all that you can say bad about him, said that if
> we just left it alone, the economy would turn around.  And sure
> enough, he managed to actually veto several choice bills, fend off
> requests to have the Fed lower interest rates, and so on.  And lo
> and behold - the economy is growing quite fine, thank you.
 
Wait a minute.  To claim that Bush's response to the recession was "hands
off" is silly.  The reason the Fed didn't lower interest rates any more is
that they couldn't go much lower.  But the Fed certainly did fool with
interest rates all through 1992.
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:29:11 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <exuptr.600.0@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:

>Hm.  So if Dr. Joe <knowingly> lets a psychotic out of the nut house and he 
>comes and does unthinkable things to your family, Dr. Joe is not culpable or 
>morally responsible?  Sure it's an extreme, but closer IMHO than a Dr. 
>Pepper can on the side of the road.

Well, oddly enough, right now Dr. Joe ISN'T culpable.  However, there
is some difference between doctor and a bartender, insofar as both
function and expectation.  The function of a bartender is to make and
sell drinks.  The function of a doctor is to make such diagnoses as
you describe above.  A doctor ought to be responsible for a willful
misdiagnosis (if you could ever prove it).  A bartender ought to be
responsible for deliberately mismaking drinks or cheating customers.
The PERSON DRINKING ought to be responsible if they place themselves
behind the wheel of a car.  Hell, why not hold the auto manufacturer
responsible (for providing the car), the highway department
responsible (for providing the road), etc.?

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: xmpcwsh@dp7up.com (Bill Harris)
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Organization: Dr Pepper Company/The Seven-Up Company, Dallas
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:48:30 GMT

In article <C0CBx4.20ov@austin.ibm.com> dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com writes:
>	Here's another reason to write your State Senator, Representative
>	and Governor and tell them you want the Alcohol laws in Texas 
>	changed.
>	We TEXANS are at a "*rare*" moment when we can change the laws
>	here if we want to. They Legislature will be considering a change
>	in the TABC rules that will allow BrewPubs in Texas, Please
>	call "*your*" Representative and let them know you support this
>	change. Need more info? Contact me at dewey@ctci.com

Thanks, I'll be glad to drop some postcards to these folks and let them 
know how irresponsible it would be to weaken an already lethargic liquour
laws.  Didn't we see enough deaths last week from DUI's.  The people in
Whitewright would sure be upset at this change.

Bill
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Harris - MIS				xmpcwsh@dp7up.com
Dr Pepper/The Seven-Up Company			The opinions expressed are my
Dallas, Texas  					own. (emphasis on the period)
From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Preview of 73rd Texas Legislature
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:01:57 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

>In article <C0pJny.1Gyw@austin.ibm.com>, johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>|> This is really stupid.  Breath alcohol level is a poor indicator of
>|> intoxication -- it's just a lot easier to prove in court.

I wasn't aware that it was a poor test. Any other comments about this from
others?

So, what other options have we? The officer has to establish how intoxicated
(if at all) a person is when stopped, not later.
--
Griff Miller > miller@monarch.wg3.waii.com < use this for email.

          *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. ***

   "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but 
    fools despise wisdom and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7 
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:07:05 GMT

In article <C0GG7w.By2@NeoSoft.com> rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally) writes:
>b)"don't you think I knew I'd take a beating come election time?".
>He did not compromise- he chose to increase taxes. Period.

Agreeing to a compromise is not the same thing as not compromising.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
"If we make SS need based, can we change the name to: Failing Incompetents
    Compensation Allotment?"  -- Dr. Michael Reed
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:32:19 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <C0IBK0.1Iqs@austin.ibm.com> johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:

>It's their methods that I don't like.  They go after the alcohol. 
>They should just admit that they are the resurrection of the
>Temperance movement of the early 1900s.  They (like most
>prohibitionists) think that their "end" justifies any means.  What are
>the "means" I object to?

>- Their push for "open container" laws
This is reasonable, depending on which open container law you are talking 
about.

>- Their push to suspend drivers licenses without due process.
I agree this should not happen.

>- Their push to ban "happy hours" at bars.
Again, wrong method.

>- Their support of making party hosts responsible for damage caused by
>  their guests.
Hmmm, well whether they support this or not is really irrelevant.  Everyone 
is lawsuit happy these days, and I don't think you can change this one.  I 
think that party hosts should act responsibly, but I'm not sure that running 
a party means you automatically have an Open Wallet (tm).

>- Their support of roadblocks to screen for drunk drivers without
>  probable cause.

Although I can see the viewpoint that this is a violation of personal 
rights, I believe that it can do more good than harm in high-risk areas (
like on Grenville Ave in Dallas).

I'm for the preservation of individual rights, but I think these rights are 
abused a lot these days.  We should ask the question, "If you don't want to 
have screening, why not?  Are you afraid they will catch *you*?"

 ----------------------!!! H A P P Y   H O L I D A Y S !!!-------------------
 ObQuotes:
 "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand..."
 "Ignorance and prejudice, and fear go hand-in-hand..."

  - Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    "Don't let the .se fool you"
    Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS 214-596-2915, a Wildcat! BBS
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:25:34 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1993Jan7.164509.11234@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>I think one of the arguments for repealing prohibition was the same as that
>given for the legalizing of drugs, namely that forbidding something
>causes people to want and use it all the more.  By this logic, allowing the
>free sale and consumption of alcohol would make the problem of alcohol
>abuse go away, or at least shrink to manageable proportions. Sort of like
>the Dictatorship of the Proletariat that would fade away if only there were
>true communism.  As we can see, this wisdom has proven itself in our 
>enlightened times, when alcohol is no longer a serious problem in our 
>society, and the real threat we face is  fundamentalists and other 
>dangerous types who want to spread their subversive religious ideas and
>pervert our youth. Sorry, the grin key on my terminal doesn't work.

Or flamo anti-religionists who want to propagate religion-bashing, and 
pervert and molest our youth.


 ----------------------!!! H A P P Y   H O L I D A Y S !!!-------------------
 ObQuotes:
 "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand..."
 "Ignorance and prejudice, and fear go hand-in-hand..."

  - Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    "Don't let the .se fool you"
    Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS 214-596-2915, a Wildcat! BBS
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:10:43 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1993Jan5.155953.29678@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:

>and the sheer momentum of the Bush economic recovery may carry Clinton
>over to easy reelection in 96, no matter how much of our children's
>money the Democrats spend on institutionalized compassion.

The WHAT?  If you can categorize the recovery as "the Bush economic
recovery" (even though he did absolutely ZERO to change what the
economy was doing), then it seems like you have to blame him (and him
alone) for the recession, as well.  I've noticed that conservatives
are typically pretty loathe to do that.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: cramer@world.std.com (William D Cramer)
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:08:45 GMT

johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
: Texas has some of the stupidest and convoluted alcohol laws I've ever
: come across, and the MADD gang and Judith Zaffrini and trying to give
: us a few more.

I've been living out of the state for a couple of years -- could 
you elaborate on which laws you categorize as the "stupidest and 
convoluted"? (not a flame, just curious)

Bill Cramer

251 West Central Street, Suite 142      | "If the law supposes *that*,...
Natick, MA 01760 USA                    |    the law is an ass, an idiot."
Internet: cramer@world.std.com          |        -- Dickens
CIS: 70322,3412                         |

Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: moller@austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller)
Subject: Puzzlement
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:54:12 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: moller@austin.ibm.com
Organization: As little as I can get away with.

In article <1ih0eaINNp66@tamsun.tamu.edu>, wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:

[...]

> #      Rick Russell | TAMU Meteorology | wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu       # 
> #     "I am Elfy of Atlantis." "I am Jo-Jo of Munchkinland."           #
> #     "We are Elfy and Jo-Jo!"                                         #

What in the world does your .sig mean?  Being moderately dense, I've been
trying unsuccessfully for a while to figure this one out...

-- 
IBM pays absolutely no attention to my	|   "The genius of you Americans is
opinions, ergo the foregoing cannot	|   that you never make clear-cut 
possibly represent its position.	|   stupid moves, only complicated
					|   stupid moves which make us wonder
					|   at the possibility that there may
					|   something to them which we are
					|   missing."
Christian H. L. Moller			|     -- Gamal Abdel Nasser
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Re: Texas Alcohol Laws
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:38:27 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <1993Jan6.154830.6031@dp7up.com>, xmpcwsh@dp7up.com (Bill Harris) writes:
|> 
|> Thanks, I'll be glad to drop some postcards to these folks and let them 
|> know how irresponsible it would be to weaken an already lethargic liquour
|> laws.  Didn't we see enough deaths last week from DUI's.  The people in
|> Whitewright would sure be upset at this change.
..
|> Bill Harris - MIS				xmpcwsh@dp7up.com
|> Dr Pepper/The Seven-Up Company		The opinions expressed are my
|> Dallas, Texas  				own. (emphasis on the period)

What's the story on "Whitewright"? I don't understand the reference here.

BTW, Automobile & DUI deaths declined last year to a 30 year LOW.
---
Dewey Coffman		ibmpa!vpdbox.austin.ibm.com!dewey%ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com
Consulting @ IBM			dewey@ctci.com
11400 Burnet Rd				All opinions are mine.
Austin, TX 78758-3493, USA		(512) 823-6463
===============================================================================
"Please consult your physician before exercising with Lee Haney"
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Supporting Ex-Presidents
Organization: CTC, Inc., Austin, TX. U.S. of A. 78757-3109
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:10:48 GMT

        Costs To Support Former Presidents,
                * Excluding Secret Service

   Fiscal 1993 Expenses In Dollars
                Nixon           Ford            Carter          Reagan
   Pension      148,300         148,300         148,300         148,300
   Staff salaries/benefits      
                121,000         112,100         101,000         124,800
    Office rent 144,200         87,600          79,900          345,900
    Travel      18,700          45,200          4,500           46,200
    Phone/mail  31,700          23,900          53,900          43,600
    Printing/Supplies 
                13,700          45,600          78,700          59,800
		=======		=======		=======		=======
    TOTAL       478,100         462,000         466,300         770,900

Source: General Services Administration

        Reagan must have a hell-of-an-office!

-- 
Dewey Coffman dewey@ctci.com  All opinions expressed are unrelated to reality.
CTC, Inc.			  "That voodoo stuff don't do nothing for me."
"If you fail to plan, plan to fail" 	PANIC: waiting for a good idea.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:51:01 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1993Jan7.051057.7959@rpp386> jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.154830.6031@dp7up.com> xmpcwsh@dp7up.com (Bill Harris) writes:
>>Thanks, I'll be glad to drop some postcards to these folks and let them 
>>know how irresponsible it would be to weaken an already lethargic liquour
>>laws.  Didn't we see enough deaths last week from DUI's.  The people in
>>Whitewright would sure be upset at this change.

>ALCOHOL does not cause DUI deaths.  DRIVING causes DUI deaths.  This is
>like the "Guns don't kill, people kill" argument.  The easiest way to fix
>DUI problems is educating people to use a designated driver.

>And besides, people have been known to drink at home ...

The post was about brewpubs, John, not home drinking.

Nonetheless, there are such things as designated drivers and frankly I'd 
rather see people drinking beer than mixed drinks or shots.

 ----------------------!!! H A P P Y   H O L I D A Y S !!!-------------------
 ObQuotes:
 "Ignorance and prejudice, confident their ways are best..."
 "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand..."

  - Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    "Don't let the .se fool you"
    Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS 214-596-2915, a Wildcat! BBS
From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Preview of 73rd Texas Legislature
Keywords: Speed Limits, Education, Gambling, Deregulation
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:23:12 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <1993Jan10.201222.2568@sooner.ctci.com> dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman) writes:
>	2) Lower the legal definition of drunk to 0.08 %. "That would
>	   mean that a 180lb man could only drink three beers instead
>	   in an hour instead of four before taking the wheel"

Fine by me. I know I wouldn't be fit to be behind the wheel of a car with
3 beers in me, and I weigh considerably more than 180 lbs. Let's make it
0.05% .

>	Talk of the Income Tax by Rep Elliot Naishtat. I'm sorry, but
>	no matter how screwed up the current tax system is, I will
>	not agree to this. I've talked to his office about this, they
>	have some convincing arguments, but I can't see giving more
>	money to a govt. that can't handle what they've already got.

Ditto!

>	The arguments his office spout are that by revising the Tax
>	system, property taxes would go down if a state Income tax
>	is instituted.(Yeah right, for how long).

Let's see if you can make him flinch by suggesting that property taxes
(and maybe some others) be %100 deductible, then. Not that I think a state
income tax is a good idea, but this might flush him out.
--
Griff Miller > miller@monarch.wg3.waii.com < use this for email.

          *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. ***

   "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but 
    fools despise wisdom and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:35:40 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <C0IBK0.1Iqs@austin.ibm.com> johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:

>In article <8380@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>|> While I agree that Texas' alcohol laws are some of the dumbest around, let's
>|> not be too harsh on MADD: their aim is laudable.

>It's their methods that I don't like.  They go after the alcohol. 
>They should just admit that they are the resurrection of the
>Temperance movement of the early 1900s.  They (like most
>prohibitionists) think that their "end" justifies any means.  What are
>the "means" I object to?

>- Their push for "open container" laws

Texas is the only state that I know of where driving WHILE you drink
is legal (is it still?).

>- Their push to suspend drivers licenses without due process.

Driving is a privilege, not a right.  Due process is hardly necessary
to revoke a PRIVILEGE.

>- Their push to ban "happy hours" at bars.

This is dumb.  So bars will just find some other way around the law.
Nobody is FORCING people at Happy Hours to drink -- who is the State
to decide that bars shouldn't be able to do anything with their
business that they want (other than things like cheating customers)? 

>- Their support of making party hosts responsible for damage caused by
>  their guests.

I have to agree with you.  This one is simply stupid.

>- Their support of roadblocks to screen for drunk drivers without
>  probable cause.

I consider this one a violation of Constitutional prohibitions against
search and siezure without a warrant and against self-incrimination.
Not to mention that it isn't addressing the problem.  The problem
isn't drinking; the problem isn't even drinking and driving; the
problem is driving and HITTING things.  While they're playing
roadblock, what is going on where they would be if they were on
patrol, instead?

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:27:53 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Novell, Inc. --Austin

In article <1993Jan6.154830.6031@dp7up.com> xmpcwsh@dp7up.com (Bill Harris) writes:
>Thanks, I'll be glad to drop some postcards to these folks and let them 
>know how irresponsible it would be to weaken an already lethargic liquour
>laws.  Didn't we see enough deaths last week from DUI's.  The people in
>Whitewright would sure be upset at this change.

"Lethargic" liquor laws?  Are you sure you're talking about Texas?

Brendan
-- 
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Internet: bboerner@novell.com     \  Please use either if replying
   or  Brendan_Boerner@novell.com /  by mail exterior to Novell.
Newsgroups: tx.politics