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From: bkeating@jarthur.claremont.edu (Fool With A Plan)
Subject: Re: Nazis International
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:32:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.041943.5965@wixer.cactus.org> bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith) writes:
>I hardly read any of the other defensive justifications you made in later
>messages on this thread, except to note that you seem determined to see just
>how much of your foot you can stick in your mouth.  Learning to stop talking
>is an acquired skill.

You're right.  I should have shut up and let the squeamish little buggers
squirm.  I have no need to defend myself.

-brett
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hawkeye)
Subject: Re: Nazis International
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: nazis, racism, anti-semitism, pez
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.054410.24701@news.acns.nwu.edu> hrow@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Heath Row) writes:
|OK. A couple of things. Working as a journalist, I wrote an article for
|tomorrow's paper about the distribution of some revionist anti-semitic
|literature to the German and history departments at a local college. After
|talking to a couple revisionists, I did not find this posting at all funny.
|I realize it was probably meant to be a joke following up to the amazon
|thang but still... open mind and all, I did not find it funny. At all.
|
|What are some of the thoughts floating around out there about political
|correctness and the small press? while I would and do not advocate
|screening such postings as the nazi post, I'm sure there are zines like
|that out there. Sick. IMO, at least...

Huh?  PC and zines??  Read the friggin flippin fluggidy-floppin Time
or Newsweek or USA Today then, if that's what you're looking for.  

IMHO, zines serve a prupose to fulfill the comumnication needs of
minority interests which are not fulfilled in the mainstream press.
Mainstream being that which is acceptable and reachable to a majority
of the citizens of the area, ie:  CNN, ABC News, USA Today, local
Denver Toast and Rocky Mountain Spews.  

We all get are primary information, I'm assuming, initially from the
mainstream and then the acid raindrops trickle down to a more primal
and true less sugar-coated minority status that the zines and small
presses reflect.  

This information has to be available, the ifnormation needs to spread
like the virus that it is, and zines willingly spread the virus of
truth.  I can't believe you're opinion is that the previous post was
"sick".  Just as you expressed your opinion, the fictitious Nazi was
expressing his.  Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.  Close
your eyes if you don't likle what you see, and when your eyes are
closed don't tell me to close my eyes.  I'll keep my frizzlefried
eyeballs as wide open as possible, thank you veruy much!

(BTW- I'm not here right now kinda sorta at times so there you go and
now you know).

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Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Re: Scriba Communis Responsi
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:14:48 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan
Reply-To: pauls@umich.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen writes
| I'm the editor of a disk-magazine on the Atari ST, and I have
| decided to let it go on-line in ASCII format. Would this be the right  
place to
| post it?

I tried mailing you but couldn't establish a valid address.  What is the  
'zine about?

Paul
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Re: Free Speech (was Re: Nazis International )
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:56:37 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Keywords: nazis, racism, anti-semitism, pez, CIVIL RIGHTS GODDAMMIT
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov18.010534.13133@mcc.com> bohrer@sparky.mcc.com (Bill Bohrer) writes:
>GOd can we take this somewhere else?  

God can't but you can.  Just edit the follow-up to if you don't like it.

>That's the same argument the Operation REscue people use to advocate
>anti-abortion laws.  Don't flame me, ARGUE with me, tell me how
>pro-abortionists and Nazis differ.

This is the best possible attitude.  I think everyone here involved should
adopt this standard.

>(for god's sake this is an
>intellectual exercise kids, I'm as PC as they come, I'm a goddam
>liberal yankee intellectual elite, or whatever the latest redneck
>invective is for us)

Nothing is an intellectual exercise when it comes to studying power
relationships.  If it has any relation to practice, then it has nothing
to do with intellectualism, which is masturbation.
>
>editor of the forthcoming "BNV #1" (Bulging Neck Veins: Twist and Shout)

Look forward to it.  Is it print or electronic?

Paul Southworth                    |           ftp ftp.css.itd.umich.edu
(Not speaking for)                 |         Political Archives in /poli
Information Technology Division    |     Writable incoming directory on:
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |         redspread.css.itd.umich.edu 

  <Representing myself.  Everything I say is for educational use only.>
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Subject: Re: Nazis International
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:19:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.043322.16535@muddcs.claremont.edu> bkeating@jarthur.clare
mont.edu (Fool With A Plan) writes:
>
>Sorry,  had to do it after seeing that Amazon shit thing.
>
>-brett
>


If you feel a creation is a valid expression, then you shouldn't have to
apologize for it.  Just do it.

I hardly read any of the other defensive justifications you made in later
messages on this thread, except to note that you seem determined to see just
how much of your foot you can stick in your mouth.  Learning to stop talking
is an acquired skill.

As for everyone else on the newsgroup :  <shakes head sadly>

It is spurious to suggest that Brett is making a connection from Amazons to
Nazis. Look at it again from the other way.  The "humor" lies in Nazis
attempting to represent themselves in the same way that Amazons represents
themselves.

And if you take it even farther, and examine the underlying form, you might
realize that "Amazon" and "Nazis" are not necessary elements.  The *parody*
[go look it up in your dictionary] only requires that the two elements be
discongruous.

-- 
  bladex@wixer.cactus.org           |              Cyberlicious Software
 "I think cyberpunk is the latest attempt by American hipsters to escape
the squalid intellectual environment that surrounds them.  This is not a
bad goal."  Karl Myers, Talking Raven 
Xref: sparky alt.zines:254 rec.mag:266
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.zines,rec.mag
Subject: Re: Incite Information
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:36:27 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov19.171212.24757@samba.oit.unc.edu> nrr@med.unc.edu (Nancy Ryan) writes:
>Incite Information: Inquiry and Commentary
>1507 E. Franklin St. #530
>Chapel Hill, NC 27514
>$10/ six issues   $1/ sample
>
>Vol. 3: No. 5 November/December 1992
>"Nicely done zine of interest to anarchists and
>anarcho-libertarians.  News and commentary.  Zine 
>and book reviews." -Practical Anarchy Online, Nov. 92

Not that I'm anyone in particular, but I highly recommend this one too.
(And I'm not an anarchist, and certainly not any kind of libertarian.)


Paul Southworth                    |           ftp ftp.css.itd.umich.edu
(Not speaking for)                 |         Political Archives in /poli
Information Technology Division    |     Writable incoming directory on:
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |         redspread.css.itd.umich.edu 

  <Representing myself.  Everything I say is for educational use only.>
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk (Russell Earl Whitaker)
From: ploof@griffin (Scott B Ploof)
Subject: F5-E adress
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:58:28 GMT

Does anyone know of the author of F5-E?  Does he have an E-Mail adress?
I'm new to this group so scuse my ignorance....and does anyone know
of a FTP site which'll have the latest version?

Thanks
From: rfm@urth.eng.sun.com (Richard McAllister)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Re: Tooltalk application questions...
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:27:01 GMT
	<RCBC.92Nov18124128@taurus.cs.cornell.edu>
Organization: /home/cici/rfm/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: urth
In-reply-to: rcbc@taurus.cs.cornell.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 17:41:28 GMT

In article <RCBC.92Nov18124128@taurus.cs.cornell.edu> rcbc@taurus.cs.cornell.edu (Robert Cooper) writes:

   How much to people use the "network" scope? Is NFS reliability, "stale file
   handle" and other effects a problem?

Sure they're a problem.  They're a problem if you're not using ToolTalk, so
they remain a problem after you start using ToolTalk.  However, if the file
server is up, so you can get to the file, then you should be able to get
ToolTalk to deliver messages about the file.

   Do other people think that sequential
   ordering on messages is important?

Yes.  ToolTalk uses TCP so ordering of messages can be relied on.  As long
as no explicit request is made to delay or reroute the message (i.e.,
queuing the message or rejecting it), ToolTalk will never deliver a message
from one sender to a receiver after a message sent later from the same
sender to the same receiver.

BTW, when Robert Allen said that ToolTalk is "available" for HP, IBM, and DEC
RISC UNIX platforms, he slightly exaggerated -- it's been announced,
but won't actually ship until later this year.


Rich

--
Rich McAllister (rfm@eng.sun.com)
From: rcbc@taurus.cs.cornell.edu (Robert Cooper)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Re: Tooltalk application questions...
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: rcbc@cs.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <BUZZ.92Nov18095847@lion.bear.com> buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes:

   Things I don't like:
   1.  "Session" and "Local File" scopes work well, but "Network" scoped
       messages require a common NFS mounted file as a transport vehicle.  Oof.
   
   ...

   Things they should add:

   ...

   2.  Guaranteed serializable messages.  The messaging engine will
       automatically assign a sequential serial number to outbound messages
       and receivers will fault if a gap is detected.  The serial number of
       the first message received after registration becomes the initial
       comparison serial number; alternately, you can override with your
       own initialization number.  *Very* useful.


How much to people use the "network" scope? Is NFS reliability, "stale file
handle" and other effects a problem? Do other people think that sequential
ordering on messages is important?

I'm just trying to confirm my suspicion that Tooltalk has an easy-to-use and
flexible communication model, but that its distributed abilities could be
better. 

Also, would anyone like to compare Tooltalk with HPs Broadcast Message
Service?

              -- Robert Cooper
--
--
From: rja@newbirth.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Re: Tooltalk application questions...
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:21:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: newbirth

In article <2b06eae7.6ae4@firefox.csc.calpoly.edu> mdubois@firefox.csc.calpoly.edu (Marcel R Dubois) writes:
>
>I'm doing a project for a bay area company as a senior project for myself.
>As part of my project I'm suppose to use ToolTalk to tie some tools
>together.  Anyway, I want to know if anybody out there has had any
>experience developing with ToolTalk.  I heard that there are a lot of
>problems with it, so I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into before
>I dive head first into it.
>
>Therefore, if anybody out there can help me out.  Please contact me.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "lots of problems with it", but
    it is being used by a variety of groups in a number of companies,
    and it works for what it was designed for.  Basically ToolTalk
    provides an API for designing messages and patterns, and then
    sending and receiving messages based on what patterns a given
    program supports.  You may scope messages and patterns to a given
    file on a specific system, or a ToolTalk session, or a file in
    a session, or both a specific file and a specific session.

    If you could post more on your application specifics you might
    get further input.
--
Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.
		    Samuel Addams: Brewer, Patriot.															        "The right to brew beer is the right to be free!" - me
From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Re: Tooltalk application questions...
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:58:47 GMT
Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: mdubois@firefox.csc.calpoly.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 00:27:19 GMT

In article <2b06eae7.6ae4@firefox.csc.calpoly.edu> mdubois@firefox.csc.calpoly.edu (Marcel R Dubois) writes:
	[...deleted...]
   experience developing with ToolTalk.  I heard that there are a lot of
   problems with it, so I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into before
   I dive head first into it.

Watch out!  This newsgroup has very low volume and the Sun engineers watch
it closely!  :-)  I think the first releases of TT had some API quirks 
that drove people nuts; I believe these were fixed in a jumbo patch
that went out 3 or 4 months ago.

Things I like about TT:
1.  Simple.  Doesn't try to do anything more than messaging.  Write your
    own C or C++ wrappers.

2.  Small, clean header resources.  Easily incorporated into an app without
    tripling its size, multiply defining TRUE & FALSE, etc.

3.  "Session" scope operates equally well in X or char-cell display
    environments.


Things I don't like:
1.  "Session" and "Local File" scopes work well, but "Network" scoped
    messages require a common NFS mounted file as a transport vehicle.  Oof.

2.  Source code not available so I can't port it to my other machines.
    The excellent XView/UIC/C++/ToolTalk development environment cannot be
    realized on other platforms.


Things they should add:
1.  Some sort of XDR capability.

2.  Guaranteed serializable messages.  The messaging engine will
    automatically assign a sequential serial number to outbound messages
    and receivers will fault if a gap is detected.  The serial number of
    the first message received after registration becomes the initial
    comparison serial number; alternately, you can override with your
    own initialization number.  *Very* useful.

3.  A message building tool ala Devguide.  You know, some sort of GUI 
    thing that facilitates the naming. scoping, and argument declaration
    of messages.  Message args become elements in a structure instead of
    a list.  Hit a button and it generates the sender side and the
    receiver side code.
From: rja@newbirth.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Re: Tooltalk application questions...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:59:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: newbirth

In article <BUZZ.92Nov18095847@lion.bear.com> buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes:
>Things I don't like:
>
>2.  Source code not available so I can't port it to my other machines.
>    The excellent XView/UIC/C++/ToolTalk development environment cannot be
>    realized on other platforms.

    Developers interested in ToolTalk will be interested to note
    that ToolTalk is now available on Sun Sparc, Sun Intel, SGI,
    IBM, and HP platforms.

    A source product has also recently been made available.
--
Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.
		    Samuel Addams: Brewer, Patriot.															        "The right to brew beer is the right to be free!" - me
From: mdubois@firefox.csc.calpoly.edu (Marcel R Dubois)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Tooltalk application questions...
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:27:19 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


I'm doing a project for a bay area company as a senior project for myself.
As part of my project I'm suppose to use ToolTalk to tie some tools
together.  Anyway, I want to know if anybody out there has had any
experience developing with ToolTalk.  I heard that there are a lot of
problems with it, so I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into before
I dive head first into it.

Therefore, if anybody out there can help me out.  Please contact me.

Thanks,
Marcel
mdubois@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu
From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Why Clinton
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:59:55 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <1474@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
>
> :
> : > 
> : > Oh, Christ- this wallabee-fucking strine geek is fixated on me now.
> : > Somebody wanna divert him for me, maybe wave a kangaroo dick at him
> : > or something?  I'll sneak up behind him and untie his shoes, so's
> : > he falls off the bottom of the planet...
> : >
> : Good lord Bill, just which country do you think I come from?
> : There seem to be too many Australian references in there.
> : If I was an Austrailian, I wouldn't have any call to flame an
> : American now would I?  Think about it.
> : 
> Oh, yeah- sorry.  Please delete all Aussie references in the
> previous post and distribute the phrases "Lime-sucker", "public
> school pederast" and "Brain pudding"  randomly throughout.
>

So you want it to look somthing like this then?

>
> Oh, Christ- this Lime-sucking strine geek is fixated on me now.
> Somebody wanna divert him for me, maybe wave a brain pudding at him
> or something?  I'll sneak up behind him and untie his public school
> pederast, so's he falls off the bottom of the planet...
>
Well, that's not much better, you'll have to think up somthing else
if you want me to stop rolling about the floor in a fit of laughter
and get up to do some work for a change.


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Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson)
Subject: Re: K e n Informs Liz As To The Purpose Of A Penis (was Re: K e n Informs Mr. Cress)
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:05:57 GMT

Kenneth J Robinson (krobinso@brickred.crayola.cs.psu.edu) wrote:
: 
: No, K e n only uses fingers for such activities. K e n uses K e n's
: penis for other activities, which is not a topic of discussion. A penis
: was not designed for typing. It's main purpose is copulation. The arousal
:
Come on, K e n, what other activities, beside ITS main purpose - copulating -
are you referring to. I'm impressed, though, that you copulate more often
than you take a piss, and still have time to tell people about it on the net.

/Par

[...I know karate, voodoo too...]

Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion
From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: Consensus stuff - the real reasoning
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:01:54 GMT

margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
->keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
->>i've seen no evidence to convince me that many of cj's
->>allegations are anything more than the petty whines of
->>a frustrated shrew.

->Funny - she doesn't *look* shrewish...  :-)

her .gif had me fooled too, for a while.

	Penn Jillette described the smiley as 
	"the hateful :) which means 'just kidding' 
	and is used by people who would dot their i's
	with little circles and should have their eyes 
	dotted with Drano."
		San Francisco Chronicle, 10/06/92

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: Why Bush? (was: Why Clinton)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov16.032458.14341@muddcs.claremont.edu> weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>In article <1417@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
>>weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>>: In article <1409@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
>>: >vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>>
>>The original post was wrong, Willy, only if one clings to a
>>curiously mule-headed literal-mindedness.  The convo, if memory
>>serves, went something like this:
>>
>>Interviewer: Surely you recognize that atheists are citizens
>>			 of this country?
>>
>>			 Our Only President: No, I'm not sure they should be
>>			 considered citzens...
>>
>>			 Now, if there's a way to interpret that which doesn't
>>			 involve the President of the United States questioning
>>			 the right to citizenship based on religious belief, I
>
>	You really need to learn how to pay attention. No, I mean this. You
>really should see someone about this problem.
>	Now that you've shown you can remember the supposed 'proof'. Let's see
>if you can remember that that wasn't the point. If you can extend you memory
>all the way back to the original post, you'll see that this 'proof' does not
>support the orinal statement, which is what I was arguing with.

You, sir, are a fuckhead.  It is little wonder to me that they
ran your little fascist ass out of a.p.h quicker than shit.  You
disgust anyone that his human, you bletcherous minion of death and
destruction.  

What was the original statement?  That Bush says we should deny
citizenship to athiests?  Ok, he didn't *say* that.  But he did 
carelessly admit how he felt that atheists should not be citizens.
Anyone who harbors thoughts such as these should *not* be 
President under *any* circumstances.  You listening to me boy?
Good.

Now get the fuck out of here, before you cause your ego further
damage. 

cpk
Newsgroups: alt.flame