HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Couldn't control my own phone (Re: Caller ID block?)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:09:32 GMT

>If your adversary is good enough to fake CNID, then CallTrace,
>CallBlocking and ReturnCall are also compromised, because all this
>information is supplied by the switch.  Without implicit cooperation
>from the LEC, you can't spoof CNID, only block it.  (and some LEC's
>don't even offer blocking)

Aren't you paying attention? All the files on CNID flying around...How to
emulate the signals, how to send it before the called party picks up, etc..

All this combines into a way to FAKE CNID! The switch can be made to not send
cnid OR if you garble the message it sends the CNID box will NOT record that
a garbled message was received, it displays an 'incomplete data' message for
15 seconds then erases it. If you send a seemingly real signal after messing
up the first one the box will receive and display it.

On the other hand, information about the calling number is ALWAYS passed to
the switches, even if you use ID block...The only thing is that if you block
you ID a message saying 'PRIVATE' is sent instead of a number. Thusly the
switch's records are going to have the real number, and when you dial the
code for it to record that number it will be recording the correct number.
The only way to get the switch to show a wrong number is by messing with it's
programming (and no, most switches do NOT have a dial-in, you'd have to work
for the telco).

>That much is true, but the reason it would not have shown ID is because
>the ID was either blocked or unavailable.  If you were to receive ID,
>the chances of it not matching what an official trace reports are very
>small.  (it's possible that a trace may report a DID extension behind a
>PBX, where CNID would report the main incoming line, for example)

The switch would only ever have the # of the trunk the call came in on... It
would NOT have PBX extensions or the like, that was being discussed as
something a subscriber could elect to send if they are on a ISDN line.

If you want the callers # for legal reasons then the ONLY way to do it is to
have the switch record it after the call, or have the phone company actively
waiting to trace incoming lines.

Granted it may be difficult to fake CNID but because the possibility exists
it's not valid evidence.

--

Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: andras@well.sf.ca.us (Andrew Raskin)
Subject: Agr1ppa on Mindvox yet and CDC
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:52:42 GMT


   obscure@mindvox.phantom.com (Paul Leonard) writes:

|  ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the original k-r0dent) writes:
|
|  >
|  > At least a few cDc people are on MindVox...I imagine it'd be there
|  > first if your anxious for some e-text christmas present....
|  >
|  > happ-E holi-daze.....
|  >
|  > --
|  >
|  >     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu              FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
|  >     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com
future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
|  >
|
|  I am on Mindvox as a member of cDc. The complete archives of the cult are
|  available on mindvox under /archives/cyberspace/journals/cDc. The set is
||  complete except for cDc's #69 & #86 which were both apple II format
|  archives of the previous files & hence non-essential. As soon as new
|  releases are available they will be found on MindVox & ftp.eff.org
|  /pub/cud/cDc, as well as on the K-c0w Force distribution points & Demon
|  Roach Underground.
|
|  Obscure Images
|  cDc Cyberspace Corps Of Engineers
|

Could someone tell me if the Agr1ppa text was released on christmas eve
like it was supposed to be, also could someone post it or tell where on
mindvox it is?

what is CDC?
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Did anyone ever buy Agrippa?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:39:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.151139.442@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:
>Did anyone here buy this thing?  

	I really doubt it.

>Have any sales figures been made public?  

	No.

>Has so much as a single copy ever been sold?

	Yes, but not many.  I don't know of any individuals who bought it,
but I do know that a few museums have.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone, chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: grey@bnr.ca (Grey)
Subject: Re: CallerID and CyberSex
Reply-To: grey@bnr.ca (Grey)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:43:02 GMT

kkwast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kevin A. Kwast) writes:

> When Southwestern Bell begins full Caller ID service (which
> isn't going to cost SWB any addt'l money) and rationalize charging
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> customers $10 a month to take advantage of that service.

Woah! What are you talking about!? Nobody's GIVING that s/w to them.
They may have purchased it as part of an upgrade of several calling
features, and they may not have utilized/sold use of the feature yet,
but they *certainly* paid for it.

And the feature is not free to operate, either. The overhead in
messaging to send this extra caller info around is substantial. The
extra messaging reduces bandwidth for other messaging, and ultimately
costs revenue as setup for other calls are delayed.

Do you mean the telcos plan to make money on the feature? No kidding,
just like any other feature (including basic telephone service) they
offer. Selling the feature is not the cash-cow you seem to think.

Grey

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: gilles@well.sf.ca.us (Gilles Poitras)
Subject: Re: Mondo makes me retch
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:43:44 GMT

In <1993Jan1.184258@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca> jonathan@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca (Jonathan Levine) writes:

>I don't find Mondo quite that offensive... but then, I don't consider it
>a c-punk zine, either.  Why don't you try reading alt.zines ?  I'd 
>recommend "Virus 23", put out by some friends of mine up here in Alberta.


>--
>Jonathan Levine: voice 403-686-0473 | Digital Alternatives      (Calgary AB)
>                 fax   403-686-1254 | Virtual Universe Corp.    (Calgary AB)
>      uucp: jonathan@vort.cuc.ab.ca | Survival Research Laboratories (SF CA)	
I often refer to Mondo as Techno Hippie, look at bOING bOING for another
interesting mag.Issue 9 has a Mondo parody. They can be reached at 11288
Ventura Blvd #818, Studio City, CA 91604
J. Levine. Where in the SF Bay area can I get "Virus 23"? (If you know) Also
what is their address and are there any distributors I could point my mag
sources to?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:37:50 GMT

Sensetory Dep Tanks. I like to listen to Pink Floyd if I was in one..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
Subject: Re: Information America (Re: Caller ID block?)
Summary:  RDT has it
Organization: The Durex Blender Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:43:46 GMT

In article <schuyler.724843436@acf9> schuyler@acf9.nyu.edu (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes:
>BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby) writes:

Regarding Information America:

>>But the real question is whether anyone knows how to access this service.  I'd  
>>Let's get some real cyberpunk action: tell me how to access this database...
>
>Phrack says it's on tymnet somewhere, and I think all the info's in
>phrack-37, but don't quote me on that.

	Th' boys at Restricted Data Transmissions (-=RDT) have written up
a file on it. I'm not sure where on the net it is, but if there's
something about it in Phrack it is possibly the same or a similar article
since guys from RDT have written quite a bit for Phrack.
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Is it OK to be stupid?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:03:01 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

A point raised in the CNID thread has got me thinking.  That's always a
dangerous condition, but I'll try to survive it.

So, let me ask ya something...

Why don't people have a right to be stupid?

We have equality guaranteed for purposes of race, national origin,
religion, and in some cases, sex and even sex preference.  We have
opportunity guaranteed to even the most (oh, what's the PC term for it?)
"challenged" of our citizens.

We won't let people be stupid.  What's the deal?

Aren't we, by supporting the naturally stupid ones, hampering our
evolution?  Isn't natural selection _supposed_ to weed out the weak,
unfit members of the species?

If Joseph Q. Six-pack is not bright enough to realize he's handing out a
phone number, so what?  He might also drive without a seat belt.
(that's against the law)  He might also smoke cigarettes.  (a prime
example of a genuinely stupid thing to do)  He likely doesn't make the
connection between the misspelled name on the TV Guide, and the similar
misspellings in 60% of his junk mail.  In short, this is not a together
person.

Why do we coddle him?

OK, we're cyberpunks.  If someone is cybernetically challenged, we have
an edge over them, right?  But the greater 'US' persists in making it
illegal to do more and more stupid things; persists in reducing the edge
that fitter folk can maintain.

Why must we protect people from themselves?  What does it gain the
the many to protect the one?

Or do I have this wrong, and the vast majority is just trying to
legislate themselves smart?  (sheesh, I thought there were more smart
ones than _that_ around...)

  [portions of the preceeding program were brought to you by caffiene
                          withdrawl symptoms]
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                         "I'm a model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6867 sci.electronics:21624
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:17:20 GMT
 <1992Dec20.020537.12766@informix.com> <64lcs*920@lemsys.UUCP>
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:

>        Well, it's really interesting to read about all you people who
>won't answer the phone unless you _know_ the number.  Not answering (or
>letting your answering machine get it when the number is blocked is a
>slightly different thing, I'm talking about not answering if you don't know
>who it is).  Maybe the day that the hospital phones, trying to tell you
>that your wife has been in a serious accident, and you ignore the call
>because you're too good to answer for an unknown number will teach you
>something.  Sure, it's your discretion, but you should use your discretion
>on when to use your discretion.  Many important phone calls can come from
>anywhere.  

Craig, I can't recall anyone in this discussion saying they wouldn't
accept calls from people they don't know, but even if someone did
that's an extreme position that most of us are not taking.  The 
general trend of the non-answerers is that they will not answer 
if the phone number of the caller is BLOCKED.  A different thing 
all together.

>If a loved one's car breaks down in an area where CID service
>isn't supported and no number is sent, payphones that AUTOMATICALLY block
>their numbers etc...etc...  It's nice to have CID if a person harasses you,
>pranks you, telemarketers won't leave you alone etc..etc..etc..  But
>shutting yourself off from anyone you don't know can be dangerous.

If CID is not available, then my phone will display a message
that ID is not available, as opposed to a blocked call when my
phone will say the Caller ID is blocked.  I will answer the former,
but will very likely not answer the latter.

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: adavies@vax.path.ox.ac.uk (Anthony Davies)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Database access, how?
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:27:39 GMT
Organization: Institute of Virology, Oxford
Nntp-Posting-User: adavies

In article <ZyygwB3w165w@freeside.com>, popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> There are basically three big cedit bureaus, is my understanding.  And 
> you can indeed write them and ask for a copy of your credit data.  

Does this also apply to the UK?

/sig
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6916 sci.electronics:21820
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:02:13 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

>In article <BD.92Dec28071720@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>>
>>clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:
>>
>>>If a loved one's car breaks down in an area where CID service
>>>isn't supported and no number is sent, payphones that AUTOMATICALLY block
>>>their numbers etc...etc...  It's nice to have CID if a person harasses you,
>>>pranks you, telemarketers won't leave you alone etc..etc..etc..  But
>>>shutting yourself off from anyone you don't know can be dangerous.
>>
>>If CID is not available, then my phone will display a message
>>that ID is not available, as opposed to a blocked call when my
>>phone will say the Caller ID is blocked.  I will answer the former,
>>but will very likely not answer the latter.
>
>Why?  In both cases, you don't know who is calling.  I just can't see the 
>reasoning here.  If the reason you're not answering the phone is because you 
>don't know who's calling, then why would you answer a call from an area 
>without cnid?

Chad, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that all 
this talk is logical and intellectually sound, when in fact 
it's a very emotional issue.  Arguing logic here is missing 
the point, but I'll humor you for a few minuites longer.  8-)

Your basic premise is faulty.  My reason for not answering
the phone when Caller ID is blocked is *not* that I don't
know who's calling.  As many people have pointed out,
I don't know who's calling now, but I answer the phone anyway.

No, this is subtler than that.  When someone blocks their
CID it's a power play - it's a way of saying "Nyeah, nyeah, 
I know who you are and you don't know who I am"
and I'm not going to let them get away with that.  Local
callers have a choice - they can remain anonymous and not
talk to me, or they can identify themselves and talk to me.

As someone else has pointed out, despite all the rhetoric on
this issue, most people (including me) will probably continue
to answer the phone even when CID is blocked.  But this
discussion is interesting nonetheless because it helps
us all deal with and understand issues of privacy and personal
space in a time when both are getting harder and harder to maintain.

What about video-phones?  Are you going to automatically
project your image to anyone who calls when that becomes
available, or are you going to block video on people who
block video to you?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: coan@griffin.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Brian M Coan)
Subject: Mondo makes me wretch
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:24:15 GMT

That's funny, when I think of "cyberpunk culture" in a social/political
sense, I generally think of: semi-legal, subversive, cutting-edge, anarchistic,
etc. etc.

And then I look at THE 'cyberpunk' journal "Mondo 2000" and I want to
puke. What a waste of resources. All that cool equipment they use..all
that potential...and they waste it on shit-fashion, lame commercial
musicians, and no political content whatsoever.

Barf.

	coan@emba.uvm.edu

ps- are there any decent cpunk 'zines out there???

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: Aesthetics for the 21st Century
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:46:10 GMT

In article <gPwiwB2w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us> verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:
>Aesthetics for the 21st Century:
>
>1. Small is beautiful.
>2. Novelty and choice against impact and resources.
>3. Return what you take.
>4. Repair what you damage.
>5. Build to last.
>6. Fill a need, not create one.
>7. Form follows function.
>8. Self-containment.
>9. Ease of use saves.
>10. You are responsible.
>
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>   |       /         |\
>   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]



Hear, hear! All the aforementioned are HIGHLY appropriate!

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Who's Who of the InterNet List?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.031544.22492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (gogo is insane) writes:
> 
> 
>  ______________________________________________________________________
> |______________                        /                               |
> |                                     /                                |
> |                u  t  u  r  e       <___________  u  l  t  u  r  e    |
> _______________________________________________________________________|
> 
> 
> WHO are you?
> 
> Hi.  I publish the FutureCulture FAQ file, which is a self-described
> "somewhat definitive guide to resources bringing you the future."  It
> is basically an ever-growing guide to the new edge, technoculture,
> cybperculture, etc., particular the relevant on-line aspects of the
> aforementioned subculture(s)
> 
> One of the sections is a "who's who" of on-line 'celebrities', and
> appears in the file like this:
> 
> 	V. Important Person		Musician/Author 
> 	John Q. NetPublic		Hacker/Writer
> 
> So, if you are someone who would like to be mentioned in the file (no
> email addrresses are given out), or if you know of someone who you
> feel garners recognition, please send relevant info. (including a
> basic summary of credentials in-case I fall knowledge-impaired) to:
> 
>       ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 
> I am looking for on-line people from all walks of life, including:
> hackers (in the underground sense), writers, magazine editors,
> artists, musicians, DJs, NetGurus, authors, or any other
> characteristic that might seperate onesself from the mass.net.public.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> --
> 
>     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 

Im interested in Future Culture FAQ, does anyone know of a list on
cyberpunk/cyberspace/cyberculture and more?? (list as in internet/bitnet
discussion group))..
send email to listserve@ukanvm with the following message only.
help

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the future is now.....)
Subject: Re: cyber literature
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 22:15:50 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, david.blumenstein@execnet.com said about
'cyber literature': 
|just got finished reading the HACKER CRACKDOWN by Sterling and it
|just doesn't compare to CYBERPUNK by Katie Hafner and John
|Markoff.
|
|a few years back Emmanuel Goldstein spoke at my user group in New
|York and he gave me a copy of some magazine called 2600. from the
|looks of it the issue I scanned had a lot to do with telephones


Hahahahah....this is the funniest thing I've read all day...

Ignorance really must be bliss....

|please furnish me with a list of books and periodicals which do
|not conform to society's stereotype of the hacker as a fiend,
|and social deviant.

the other major "hacker" books are:

cuckoo's egg by cliff stoll (be sure and flood his emailbox when
you're thru)

hackers by steven levy (for people who cling to memories)

out of the inner circle by bill landreth

and i always throw in reference to peter j denning (ed.)'s computers
under attack.....

periodicals:

2600 is the musthave....

just about everything on ftp.eff.org should be read (phrack et alllll)

issue 3.1 of intertek (and any other issue, for that matter)

hac-tic

and ObCP:  Mondo......

|if you are on the internet you can send messages to me at the
|following address: (MCI MAIL GATEWAY) 395-0935@mcimail.com
|
|thank a lot and I look forward to your replies
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    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony)
Subject: Re: Mondo makes me wretch
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:44:33 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, coan@griffin.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu said about
'Mondo makes me wretch': 
|That's funny, when I think of "cyberpunk culture" in a social/political
|sense, I generally think of: semi-legal, subversive, cutting-edge,anarchistic
|etc. etc.
|
|And then I look at THE 'cyberpunk' journal "Mondo 2000" and I want to
|puke. What a waste of resources. All that cool equipment they use..all
|that potential...and they waste it on shit-fashion, lame commercial
|musicians, and no political content whatsoever.
|
|Barf.
|
|	coan@emba.uvm.edu

So, umm, where's your journal?  And if you don't have the equipment
that they do, where's your text e-zine?  In your letters to the
editors at Mondo, what specific suggestions have you offered to them?

|ps- are there any decent cpunk 'zines out there???

Mondo is more-than decent, IMHO.  There are many alternative zines and
e-zines, just look around.  Mondo itself has, at times, been kind
enough to offer alternatives, something you don't see Newsweek doing.

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: dfox@fennec.com (Scott Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Looking for help!
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 19:52:24 CST
Reply-To: dfox@fennec.com
Organization: Fennec Information Systems / Orbital Data Haven II

The World View Magazine is an underground publication which touches on
everything from Cyberpunk issues, to politics, to H/P, and so on....
Back issues are FTP'able from ftp.eff.org  /pub/cud/wview.
We are currently looking for 'remote-offices'. Meaning that we are
planning on expanding, and need correspondants in other parts of the
country/world to assist us. We are well into out 2nd year of publication.
A recent lull in the exchange of information has prompted expansion. 
If you are intrested, respond to dfox@fennec.com. 


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