From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: "Its all over for the political ruling class!"
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:00:13 GMT
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In-reply-to: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU's message of 9 Jan 93 05:24:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.052429.20161@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

   In article <C0KFJJ.Evp@newsserver.technet.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
   >In article <1993Jan8.165341.7799@inel.gov> whg@inel.gov (Bill Gray) writes:
   >>In article <C0J1vx.ELu@newsserver.technet.sg> writes:

   >>|> ... What will life be like in the post-socialist 21st century?

   >>Everyone is forgetting that the most populous country on the planet is
   >>both Communist and Socialist,  and gives every indication of remaining
   >>so.  At the last party congress,  the delegates closed by singing the
   >>"Internationale" (a great tune).  I really do think they're serious.

   >That depends on whether you define communism/socialism in terms of songs
   >sung and rhetoric spun or in terms of actions done.

#   Well, if you're defining it in terms of actions rather than rhetoric,
#   then the Soviet Union wasn't communist either.

Oh yeah? No, on second thought I'll just let this pass without saying anything.


   >In fact, China is in the second decade of economic liberalization that would
   >make Democrats cringe. They are setting their markets loose and, as a result,
   >experiencing double-digit economic growth.

   >Oh, sure, they insist on calling it "market socialism" but the fact is that
   >China has acheived, module a few limp, bloody bodies in Tien an Men, what
   >has eluded Eastern Europe and the ex-Soviet Union: a successful transition from
   >socialism to captialism.

   >The main difference, of course, is that China is still a dictatorship and not
   >a democracy.

#   But Ed has proved over and over again that he couldn't care less about
#   this.  As long as there's capitalism, who cares what happens to people?

Actually I feel that the US(under the last 2 Rep Adm) and P.R. of China were
heading towards the same type of goverment. One from the right, the
other from the left. I wasn't at all suprised at the lack of willingness
to admonish P.R. of China on the human rights record. Now had they been a
small country in South, or Central America...

#   I mean, sure they shoot people for exercising free speech, but hey, they
#   aren't spending as much money on public schools as the US is.  They must
#   be great.

At the moment doesn't P.R. of China have one of the fastest, if not the fastest
growing economies? Once a larger portion of the population get's some
money in their pockets and an itch to spend it, there may be some political
reform.

-sjm












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Sean J. Merritt		         | "Every revolt is a cry of innocence    
Dept of Physics Boston University|  and an appeal to the essence of being."
merritt@macro.bu.edu             | Albert Camus, The Rebel
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