HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:14:46 EDT
From: <MXM206@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: news.misc
Subject: ride to temple univ.

    I need a ride from University Park (Penn State) to Temple University or dow
ntown Philadelphia any weekend (leaving Friday returning Sunday).  If you think
 you are going to be in the Philly area that time, please send me some E-mail.
Newsgroups: news.misc
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Amusing local post of the day
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:04:02 GMT

I found this in my dead.article file (because of the missing subject).
To save him further embarrassment, I've removed identification first (-:

From: XXXXXXXX@ysub.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers
Subject: 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:58:20 EDT
Organization: Youngstown State University

dear XXXXXXXXXX ,
                     i am probably thankfull to you for yours funking help
in my lab today. i have promised myself this time that i will change myself.
thanks for boosting me up.
                                           yours
                                           XXXXXX


--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
Family Values: the sexist, racist, homophobic, classist, "Christian" values
of the 50's.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: news.misc
Subject: Followup arrives before the original
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:25:04 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

I suppose this has been discussed ad-nauseum, but I can't remember the
bottom line...

I can't understand the mechanism that allows a followup to an article to
arrive at a site before the original article, indeed days can pass before
the original appears.

Clearly the original article must exist on the site on which the followup is
posted.

Assume no crossposting, which can clearly complicate the issue.  The sites
immediately linked to the following-up site either have the original
article or they don't.  If they don't, it will be transferred with the
followup article from the following-up site.  This will happen at every
succeeding link.  So the followup article will always be transferred to a
site already having the original article, or the original article will be
transferred with the followup.

This premise must be false, but why?  What don't I understand about the
transfer of news articles?
-- 
Ray Dunn at home  |  Beaconsfield,  Quebec,  Canada.
(514) 630 3749    |  ray@philmtl.philips.ca  or  ..uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
Newsgroups: news.misc
From: kent@sparky.imd.sterling.com (Kent Landfield)
Subject: Re: News on CDROM.
Organization: Sterling Software
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:41:26 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 392d3bf1bed145fe57e2835e8cf07a14

In article <1992Sep27.054215.9839@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff) writes:
>You can get NEWS on CDROM from Sterling Software at 1-800-643-NEWS 
>or more info from cdnews@sterling.com.  Single issues (about a 
>month's worth of news on a 600+megabyte CDROM that supports SUN
>Unix, Macs, etc) are $39.  I think it is expensive for the service,
>but it IS a very good idea.

Most people will purchase a yearly subscription at $350 for what looks like
24+ CD-ROMs this year.  The amount of traffic dictates how many CDs are
to be produced.  The single issue is mainly for allowing people to check 
out the service.  If they wish to then purchase the service, the price
of the original CD is discounted off the yearly subscription.  Just wanted
to set the record straight...
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.activism
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: Commercialization of the Nets?
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:55:46 GMT

In article <1ar6sgINNhqb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben) writes:

>     Can anyone explain what this is all about? Doesn't the 
>agreement this article describes violate the non-commercial 
>essence of the Internet? I thought that government participation 
>and public contribution to the developemnet of the Internet was 
>predicated on the non-commercial nature of the traffic that the 
>Internet would carry. 

This is way oversimplified, but I don't have time for more detail.
ANS operates a T3 backbone.  NSFNet occupies part of that bandwidth.
ANS's commercial operations occupy part.  The way charging for this is
handled is sort of complicated and I don't really understand it myself
but I think the theory is that NSF is only paying for the part it
uses.  Merit, the computer network in Michigan, is physically connected
to ANS, but probably wasn't able to route to commercial organizations
through ANS.  Because of the agreement, now they can talk to
commercial organizations.

There's lots more to it than this.  The whole thing is very gnarly and
gross.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Xref: sparky news.misc:1694 alt.activism:17199
From: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Commercialization of the Nets?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 05:06:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


     The following article appeared in the University of Michigan 
Information Technology Division publication INFORMATION TECH-
NOLOGY DIGEST, Volumne 1, Number 10, September 7, 1992 on page 3.
 
     Can anyone explain what this is all about? Doesn't the 
agreement this article describes violate the non-commercial 
essence of the Internet? I thought that government participation 
and public contribution to the developemnet of the Internet was 
predicated on the non-commercial nature of the traffic that the 
Internet would carry. 
 
 
        Merit Network Signs Agreement
       to Pass Commercial Data Traffic
    
    Merit Network has signed an agreement
    with Advanced Network & Services (ANS)
    of Elmsford, NY, that will allow Merit's
    business users throughout Michigan to
    access the same high-performance com-
    puter networking resources used by the
    nation's higher education and research
    communities and to access the global
    collection of computer networks called
    the Internet. ANS provides the highspeed
    T3 backbone used by the Internet. The
    gateway agreement was reached be-
    tween Merit and ANS subsidiary ANS
    CO+RE Systems (ANS CO+RE).
    
    Internet access for commercial users
    in Michigan will be provided through
    MichNet, Merit's statewide data net-
    work. MichNet is linked to the Na-
    tional Science Foundation's NSFNET,
    a nationwide, high-speed computer net-
    work for research and education that is
    also managed by Merit. NSFNET is
    connected to the ANS network, which
    provides high-speed T3 backbone ser-
    vices and access to the Internet.
    
    Previously, access to NSFNET was avail-
    able only to organizations engaged in
    activities directly related to research and
    education. The new agreement will allow
    MichNet to bridge the data networking
    gap that has existed between the state's
    corporate users and the nation's research
    and higher education communities, fos-
    tering collaboration in areas ranging
    from information management to tech-
    nology transfer.
    
    Merit is an Ann Arbor-based, not-for-

    profit consortium of nine of Michigan's
    publicly funded universities. MichNet
    also serves a variety of organizations in
    Michigan through Merit's affiliate pro-
    gram, including four-year colleges, com-
    munity colleges, K-12 schools, libraries,
    non-profit organizations, health care
    providers, state and federal govemment
    agencies, and commercial enterprises.


Xref: sparky news.lists:435 news.admin.misc:66
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: news.lists
Subject: Usenet site size statistics -- September 92
Followup-To: poster
Date: 4 Oct 1992 13:37:30 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique (Grasp), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
Summary: statistical study of usenet sites
Keywords: site, statistics, size, arbitron

Following statistics have been done using Brian Reid's list of
sites participating to the monthly arbitron statistics survey.

Number of sites:  773  (last months: 1090 - 815 - 835)

             <------ September 92 ----->      <-------- August 92 ------>
  Range       #      %       T#     T%         #      %       T#     T%
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
0000-0000:    23    2.98      23    2.98       34    3.12      34    3.12
0001-0001:     9    1.16      32    4.14       18    1.65      52    4.77
0002-0003:    38    4.92      70    9.06       50    4.59     102    9.36
0004-0007:    72    9.31     142   18.37       93    8.53     195   17.89
0008-0015:    84   10.87     226   29.24      118   10.83     313   28.72
0016-0031:   100   12.94     326   42.17      140   12.84     453   41.56
0032-0063:   120   15.52     446   57.70      170   15.60     623   57.16
0064-0127:    95   12.29     541   69.99      154   14.13     777   71.28
0128-0255:    82   10.61     623   80.60      132   12.11     909   83.39
0256-0511:    63    8.15     686   88.75       73    6.70     982   90.09
0512-1023:    38    4.92     724   93.66       52    4.77    1034   94.86
1024-2047:    23    2.98     747   96.64       31    2.84    1065   97.71
2048-4095:    19    2.46     766   99.09       16    1.47    1081   99.17
4096- ++ :     7    0.91     773  100.00        9    0.83    1090  100.00

#  =   number of sites
%  =   percentage / total
T# =   cumulative number of sites
T% =   cumulative percentage

Mean site size:  283 (last months: 246 241 239)
Standard deviation: 837 (last months 734 706 676)

Logarithmic mean: 3.8
Log. Std. Dev:    1.9
Geometric mean:  46.5  (approximates the hump of the curve)
Sigma (left):     6.7
Sigma (right):  323.4

Median:            46  (there as many sites with less users than with more)

Most encountered number of users:

#Users    Sites
    0       23
    4       23
    7       22
    2       22
    5       19
    3       16
    8       14
   17       13
    9       12
   11       12
   12       12
   18       10
   13       10
   10       10

Remember that sites reporting 0 users have probably a broken script for
counting users, or really have 0 non administrative users. You can also note
that this is also the most encountered value :).

I'm planning to add Postscript curves to my articles, hmm... can one
give me references on software to use to generate such stuff?

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
   "No keyboard, press F1 to continue"
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.lists.ps-maps
From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:48:54 GMT

This is a Request for Discussion for reorganizing the comp.windows hierarchy,
motivated by the inability of MS-DOS users to realise that there are other
window systems in the world.

Currently, despite the existence of the comp.os.ms-windows.* hierarchy, the
majority of the traffic in comp.windows.misc is related to Microsoft Windows,
a window system and cooperative scheduler for the IBM-PC family of personal
computers and clones thereof. For a while, Greg Lindahl did a good job with
the FAQ and politely nagging errant posters about misdirected posts, but it's
a bit much to ask that he maintain the purity of comp.windows.misc forever.

There have been a couple of ideas for a new name and organization. My first
thought was comp.gui.*, with comp.windows.x moved down a level to comp.x,
since X is both more and less than a graphic user interface. Another idea,
which I find quite attractive, is comp.windowing.*. In any case, here is the
current hierarchy:

comp.windows.garnet	The Garnet user interface development environment.
comp.windows.interviews	The InterViews object-oriented windowing system.
comp.windows.misc	Various issues about windowing systems.
comp.windows.news	Sun Microsystems' NeWS window system.
comp.windows.open-look	Discussion about the Open Look GUI.
comp.windows.x		Discussion about the X Window System.
comp.windows.x.announce	X Consortium announcements. (Moderated)
comp.windows.x.apps	Getting and using, not programming, applications for X.
comp.windows.x.intrinsics	Discussion of the X toolkit.
comp.windows.x.motif	The Motif GUI for the X Window System.
comp.windows.x.pex	The PHIGS extension of the X Window System.

First of all, let's do some organizing in comp.windows.x:

	comp.windowing.x.announce
	comp.windowing.x.apps
	comp.windowing.x.intrinsics
	comp.windowing.x.pex
	comp.windowing.x.misc

Where's Motif?

	comp.windowing.gui.motif
	comp.windowing.gui.open-look
	comp.windowing.gui.misc

Should Garnet go in here?

	comp.windowing.gui.garnet	(?)

That leaves:

	comp.windowing.interviews
	comp.windowing.news
	comp.windowing.garnet	(if not in comp.windowing.gui.garnet)
	comp.windowing.misc

Comments?
-- 
Peter da Silva                                          `-_-'
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                               'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012           "Heeft u vandaag al uw wolf geknuffeld?"
+1 713 274 5180            "Dat is mijn gezel, en niet bedoeld als een fooi."
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: mece25r@Elroy.UH.EDU (Suman Palit)
Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.sport.swordfighting
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:04:46 GMT

Hello again from the Salle Newsnetre'

This is the second RFD I'm posting in order to find some kind of consensus
regarding the creation of a fencing newsgroup. This is what I feel after
reading all the e-mail I got + scanning the discussion on USENET.

Quite a few felt that the name didn't really matter, and the rest seemed 
divided over whether it should be called rec.fencing or rec.sport.fencing.

The problem, I think, lies in the way people look at fencing....some see
it as a sport, some as a martial-art, some purely out of historical 
curiosity. It was my original intention to be able to include every aspect
of fencing in the proposed newsgroup, hoping that there would be enough 
traffic to justify the creation of other related newsgroups. Now, that may
or may not be feasible, but hey, I'm trying my best not to be divisive....

There were arguments that rec.sport.fencing would fit in with the heirarchy
of the rec.sport. groups better than rec.fencing; counter-arguments that 
rec.fencing was more general.... BTW, how about calling it 
rec.sport.swordfighting, or is that too corny? 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The nature of discussion in rec.sport.swordfighting would be the same as
discussed above, but still draw a wider audience than either rec.sport.fencing
or rec.fencing. 

Tell me, tell me all.....

Adios, and waiting for your response....
-- 
Suman Palit
Secretary/Treasurer( nominated under extreme duress..)
University of Houston Fencing Club
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar.tab
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Subject: CFV: rec.music.makers.* groups
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: music, makers, guitar, bass, drums, synth, tablature
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:55:38 GMT

Introduction: There are several newsgroups in the alt.* hierarchy which
are utilized for the discussion of various musical instruments.  The traffic
in these groups and the degree of participation from posters to the
rec.music.* groups indicate that it might be time to consider shifting
these groups to rec.music.makers, creating another group, and renaming
an existing group.  Extensive discussion on these topics has resulted
in three draft proposals, of which this is the most recent.

Proposal A: Create rec.music.makers.guitar.
Charter: "Electric and acoustic guitar techniques and equipment"

Proposal B: Create rec.music.makers.bass.
Charter: "Upright bass and bass guitar techniques and equipment"

Proposal C: Create rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature.
Charter: "Guitar tablature/chords, associated discussion and requests".
 
Proposal D: Create rec.music.makers.percussion.
Charter: "Percussion (including drums) techniques and equipment"

Proposal E: Rename rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.synth
Charter: "Synthesizers and computer music"  [UNCHANGED FROM CURRENT]

If proposal A passes, it is anticipated that alt.guitar will be removed.
If proposal B passes, it is anticipated that alt.bass will be removed.
If proposal C passes, it is anticipated that alt.guitar.tab will be removed.

How to vote:

1. Reply to this article, LEAVING THE SUBJECT LINE UNCHANGED.  (Don't
worry about the "Re:" that gets prepended, it won't matter.)

2. The "To:" address should automatically be set up to read
"rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu" by your news-reading software.
(If not, adjust the "To:" line.)

3. Mark the following form with your vote, replacing the leading "-" with
Y for yes, N for no, or A for abstain.  You may vote on any combination
of proposals that you wish.

-	Proposal A: Create rec.music.makers.guitar.
-	Proposal B: Create rec.music.makers.bass.
-	Proposal C: Create rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature.
-	Proposal D: Create rec.music.makers.percussion.
-	Proposal E: Rename rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.synth

4. Send the message.  Please note that your vote will be processed by
a program, so any extraneous text which you include will not be read
by a human being, and may confuse the program.

The voting period will commence Monday, September 28, 1992, and end
Monday, October 28, 1992.  Please be careful to mail (not post) your votes.

---Rsk
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.religion.misc,alt.config
From: andyrose@netcom.com (Andy "San Francisco Fractal Factory" Rose)
Subject: CFV: soc.religion.quaker
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:13:09 GMT

Request votes regarding soc.religion.quaker
as an avenue for communication of some literature regarding the life
of members of Religious Society of Friends (Quakers).  This
would mainly include publication of American Friends Service Committee
media spec. Quaker Service Bulletin, AFSC Resources, regional office notes,
Annual Report, electronic and standard contacts, local meeting 
minutes, Right Sharing of World Resources, Criminal Justice and Prison 
Reform, and guides to travelling friends.

UNMODERATED

Voting period begins Wednesday Sept 30 and runs through Wednesday Oct 21.

please mail a one-liner with yes, no, or abstain to:
andyrose@netcom.com

-thanks, anr
-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.drumcorps
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:55:34 GMT

Request for Discussion

Newsgroup: rec.arts.marching

Purpose: Discussion of Drum & Bugle Corps, Bands, and Color Guards

Why: The Drum & Bugle Corps (D&B) competetive season is held over the summer.
This year, USENET discussion of D&B has been held in the newsgroup
alt.drumcorps.  There was high-quality discussion of the competetive season,
etc. from at least 100 different posters. We have a FAQ which has been posted
to news.answers.

The age of most performers in the top D&B groups is 16-21; many current and
ex-members of D&B Corps have access to USENET. 

The other two activities rec.arts.marching would include would be marching
bands and color guards. Both competetive And non-competetive marching bands
would be included in the discussion. The primary color guard activity is a
guard-only competetive season held over the winter.

While these marching activities are primarily held in the US and Canada, there
are also Drum Corps, Marching Bands, and Color Guards in Europe and Japan.

This group is not intended to discuss marching techniques for military
activity (e.g. staggering marching steps while crossing bridges to avoid the
creation of potentially destructive harmonic waves). Discussion of any
information of potential military value is forbidden. Discussion of
recreational and musical marching in the military (e.g. The US Service
Academys' Drum Corps) is permitted. Also, discussion is generally limited to
units that bring motion to their performance -- concert bands and orchestra
performances will generally not be discussed in rec.arts.marching.

Naming Options: During informal discussion, it was suggested that the group be
either directly under rec, or under rec.music. The rec.arts hierarchy is
recommended here, because music is not always present in these performances,
but "marching" is. Also, the word "march" is used to describe what
participants in these activities do, whether or not they're performing a
rigid, military two-step.

The absence of "drumcorps" from the name is to cast a wider net -- all three
activities -- for the rec group. At a future date, there's a natural point for
a drum corps-only group -- rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.

An alternative suggestion is to go ahead and have the CFV be for two groups:
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps and rec.arts.marching.misc. We may do a straw poll
to see if we will issue the CFV for the two groups.

Discussion of this proposal should take place in news.groups.

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.misc,comp.databases.oracle
From: gregc@jacobi.WPI.EDU (Greg "Your Friendly Neighborhood Poet" Charland)
Subject: RFD: rec.autos.offroad
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:48:58 GMT

     This thread has come up before in rec.autos, so this time I figured I'd
do something.  This article is a Request For Discussion concerning a newsgroup
for people with an interest in Four-Wheel Drive vehicles, their operation, 
maintenance, history and other uses.
     The discussion in this newsgroup could range from anything from
care and maintenance of four wheel drives to off-road driving techniques to
the environmental concerns off-road driving causes.
     At this point, we have many choices:
	-We can ask for creation of a rec.autos.offroad or such
	-We can ask for creation of a rec.4wd
	-We can temporarily create and alt.4wd to see how much discussion it
	would draw.
	-And I'm sure there are other things we can do.

     It seems to me that an alt.4wd group would be a good start.
     Anyone with anything to say about this is asked to post an opinion on 
news.groups.  I more than welcome any suggestion.  Thank you for your
attention.
	Later,
greg
-- 
     ---------------------------------------------
      Gregory M. Charland-----> gregc@wpi.wpi.edu  
     ---------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games,comp.sys.mac.games,rec.games.board,rec.games.chess,rec.games.design,rec.games.go,rec.games.programmer,rec.puzzles,sci.logic,comp.ai