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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: New Noteworthy catalog
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:49:03 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <MARKE.92Apr14094100@alf.cadence.com> marke@cadence.com (Mark Evangelisto; x6269) writes:
>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that Noteworthy's prices
>have been crreping up in the past few issues of their catalog.  Most
>new releases (within the past year or so) are priced at around $12.00...

	About 6 months ago, all of their disc prices went up from 8-10 cents.
So they're not really "creeping" up, I don't think.

	On the other hand, some prices have gone down too.  There are
more $7.70 discs than ever before.

	You're right that new releases can often be found cheaper on
sale at your local CD store.  But the rest of the discs are almost always
cheaper at Noteworthy; even the local store sales are about $1-2 more
per disc.

>But I certainly can't complain about their service.

	Yes, they certainly are efficient!!

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: hop.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: WANTED: Sonic Youth, VU, Nyman
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:59:51 GMT

I'm looking for the following CDs:
Sonic Youth: everything except GOO, Sister, Sonic Death.  I especially want  
Daydream Nation.
Velvet Underground:  White Light/White Heat, Loaded
Michael Nyman:  anything except soundtrack to "Drowning by Numbers"

If you have any of these, please e-mail me at:  jcgoh@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Charter for rec.music.cd - regular posting
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:28:06 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Very long ago I proposed this group and took the vote for it. Since
there been quite some discussion recently, of what belongs here
and does not, I've decided to post this chart regulary to the
group. Much is culled from a recent article of mine.

What is rec.music.cd for? It may seem confusing, but it is actually
quite easy. Articles which are specific to the CD media belongs to
r.m.cd, articles which concerns the music belongs to r.m.misc (or 
r.m.bluenote, r.m.whatever if you feel like it.)

From this follows that typical issues for r.m.cd are
- Thatpac vs thisboxes.
- Re-releases of old albums, availability and quality.
- What does ADD stand for?
- The longest CD known to man, 2-to-1 re-releases and other trivia.
- CD clubs.
- Problem with CDs/CD players.
- CD auxillaries as cleaners and other things.
- Bonus tracks.
- Quality of CD-remasterings.

But misplaced issues are:
- Hey, I just bought this CD and it is just great! (The music is the
  important thing. Who cares whether you bought the CD or got it on
  vinyl? Only available on CD? So what?)
- Concert info, reviews and tapes.
- Does anyone know about The Knitting Kitcheners?
- Who sings this?
- Anything else which make r.m.cd seem like (rec.music.misc).light.

Simply, if you focus on the music r.m.cd is not the group, but if
you focus on the media it is.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: haasj@coch5.alleg.edu (Jim Haas)
Subject: Re: New Weird Al Album
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:53:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.081128.23112@rice.edu> mcbride@sawwhet.owlnet.rice.edu  
(Doug McBride) writes:
> 
> 
> Anyone know what songs he parodies this time?  The only one
> I've heard is the Nirvana takeoff, which was damn funny.
> 
	I just heard a polka medley which parodies tons of songs including  
"Enter Sandman" and "The Humpty Dance."  Pretty funny.

> By the way, I'm not sure my posts are getting through
> nationally, so if ANYONE reads this outside of Houston, drop
> me a line.  Thanks.

	I'm studying here in NW PA, so your posts are getting through.

			Jim
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Need the 800 numbers for columbia house!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:17:41 GMT
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <12141@tamsun.tamu.edu>, mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee) writes:
>
>	...i don't know how many people realise this, but artists get 
>absolutely *no income* from sales made through record clubs...it's a matter
>of legal loopholes that all the major labels exploit...
>	...aritsts have a difficult enough time trying to scrape together
>enough money...

Is this true?  Does anyone else know about these "loopholes"??

-Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Need the 800 numbers for columbia house!!
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:36:17 GMT

In article <12141@tamsun.tamu.edu> mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee) writes:
>
>	...i don't know how many people realise this, but artists get 
>absolutely *no income* from sales made through record clubs...it's a matter
>of legal loopholes that all the major labels exploit...
>	...aritsts have a difficult enough time trying to scrape together
>enough money to live on while still having time for their music; if their
>listeners do not support them, they cannot be expected to continue to put
>out quality work...
>	...i realise that cd clubs do offer good prices, but before anyone
>goes off and uses that outlet, at least try to make an informed 
>decision...from the artists' standpoint, you may as well be pirating the 
>music...


WHAT?! This is absolutely wrong. The royalty structure for sales through
record clubs is sometimes different, depending on how contracts were
written, but the artists most assuredly get royalties for these sales.

Artists do not get royalties for *promotional copies* and cutouts. In fact,
the costs of producing the former are typically charged to the artist. 
Perhaps this is where you got confused.

dap
-- 
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    David A. Pearlman

Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
From: fsrhd@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Aerosmith Anthology CD wanted
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:32:10 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks



	I am looking to purchase a CD by Aerosmith titled Anthology.  If
you have a copy for sale or know where I can obtain a copy succesfully,
I'll pay a finders fee.

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: kendall@pygmy.rice.edu (Kendall Helmstetter Gelner)
Subject: Noteworty ROEG users?
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:38:46 GMT

Is there anyone out there who has joined up with the Noteworthy ROEG user
thing?  It sounds like a great bargain... for a mere $5 deposit (refunded
on your first order) you get the whole Noteworthy catalog (13,000+
titles!!) on disk, along with a program to help you search through the
list... in addition, if you have a modem, you can select and order the CD's
you want using the program, and you can also get your on-disk catalog updated
by modem as well (you even can select the categories you want updated...).

So, if anyone has it, could you tell me if it's really as good as it
sounds?

Disclaimer - The only association I have with Noteworthy is that of a
satisfied customer.

--
---> Kendall Gelner (kendall@rice.edu)
"In accordance with our principles of free enterprise and
healthy competition, I'm going to ask you two to fight to
the death for it."
	Monty Python
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CD rot
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:42:13 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <1992Apr2.222245.16066@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
>
>Also, another netter said that librarians (e.g., Library of Congress)
>weren't convinced that CDs were suitable for archival storage yet.  No
>specific accusations, but the jury's still out.

Interesting, IRS has started archiving their data on 12" CD for several
years.  I guess it fits to IRS' 3/7 years audit policy :-)

Seriously, has anyone read articles celebrating CD ten year in service in
recent issue of Audio magazine (April?)?  One of the writers has a couple
ten year old CDs and he was comparing them on today's CD players with the
first generation CD players.  This is something for those CD rot advocates to
think about.

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From: lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh;Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.humor
Subject: Re: New Weird Al Album
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:22:55 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

*** Note: This is just a reply to Doug ***
*** I only have a post option, and not regular personal e-mail options ***

 (Doug McBride) writes:
> From: mcbride@sawwhet.owlnet.rice.edu (Doug McBride)
> Organization: Rice University 
> 
> By the way, I'm not sure my posts are getting through
> nationally, so if ANYONE reads this outside of Houston, drop
> me a line.  Thanks.
> 

Yep, i got it here in austin, texas

BTW, do you know Henry Jackson? He's a Chemistry major there at Rice
that I've been trying to reach....if you do, could you tell him
that i miss him but i don't know his number or address anymore!

Thanks,

Lisa Koh

hhok 'em horns!   ~\/~
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry W. Jordak)
Subject: Re: Where is Emerson,Lake & Palmer's WELCOME BACK MY FRIENDS...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:02:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.194546.9110@leland.Stanford.EDU> thschulz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Schulz) writes:

>For years I am looking for Emerson, Lake & Palmer's "Welcome back my
>friends,..."-album on CD.

>Any ideas whether it exists at all? Who has the rights on the album, so
>that we can write tons of letters to the record company lobbying for
>a release on CD?

I just saw it today in a record store in their import section. I believe it
was a British import, but I don't remember what label it was under. It was
a 2-disc set for $45. Ouch. :-)

Later,
-Jer
--
Jerry W. Jordak       Days like these I feel like I can change the world.
a.k.a. Jermaster                                                     --Asia
(jwj2@po.cwru.edu)
From: mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Need the 800 numbers for columbia house!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:03:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University




	....the sales from record clubs are about 85% 
promos...why can they do this, even though it is illegal?..quite simply,
the laws exist to protect the record companies, and they are the ones who
need to call it in order for any prosecution to take place...fuethermore,
promos are the record companies #1 source of legal bribes...the whole process
is far too complicated to explain here, but that is part of the reason...
	...also, artist revenues are about six to thirteen cents per
*retail* sale of music (at least at the major labels)...primary income is
from touring, ascap revenues, and the like...when the record companies dump
surplus on the market (through cd clubs), the artist ends up getting
*absolutely nothing*...
	...the only possible exception to this may *possibly* be some
independent releases which are distributed through the major labels, but this
is also pretty rare...
	...yes, the music industry is *extremely* corrupt, and, unfortunately,
the artists get the short end of the stick...
	...for those who still do not belive this, i'll leave one *quick* 
example...patty smythe, of scandal, with the largest selling ep of all time,
and and (who knows) how many times over platinum single, earned *no income*
from her entire career...she eventually left her label when her contract
expired (one cannot live on nothing)...this is just one undetailed example,
but it happens a lot...
					...matthew m. agee...
					mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu
From: basham@[128.157.59.2]
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: cd's - buying, selling over the net.
Date: 9 Apr 1992 00:28:42 GMT
Reply-To: <basham@[128.157.59.2]>
Organization: nasa-jsc

In article <Apr.8.13.35.52.1992.9750@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
> 
> For those who are continually saying "How dare anyone try to get
>  $8 for a cd over the net - not for profit - blah blah blah", a 
>  few points.  
[Bob's fine points left out.]

I must agree.  In Houston, there is no CD store that sells a used disc
for under $10 (there are rare occasions were a single disc is less).
In fact, I have turned solely to the net Used CD e-mail list for my
used discs; I have found many great deals in that forum.

Bryan Basham
From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Cocoteau Twins Boxed CD-Single set, any good?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:29:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: col.1992Apr13.212907.2775
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

grigutis.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
> I've been contemplating getting this boxed set.  It would be my first 
> Cocoteau Twins purchase (I've only hear Hazel and bits and pieces in the 
> record store).  Should I also get any of the albums?  Any plans for the
> albums to come out in a boxed set too?

I don't have it, but read a review in CD REVIEW.  
Each CD is about 15 minutes and can be a pain.
It comes in a case that looks like a recipe box.
The article said the British are more singles-oriented and the U.S.
album-oriented.

I got the impression it is for die-hard fans.
I've yet to purchase one of their CD's, but I think I'll go with something
like Heaven & Las Vegas first.

Judy
Organization: Freshman, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:53:50 -0400 
From: Gabriel Llinas <gl18+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Men Without Hats cd

I have a copy of Sideways for sale.
Leave email and make an offer, offers will be taken till saturday.
highest bidder takes it.  By the way, this cd does not have Safety Dance
on it.  It is their latest album, which was not released in the USA.

Thanks
From: u1766@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Verreault Jean-Francois)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Keywords: NIRVANA, PARTRIDGE FAMILY, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:23:34 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Apr9.142611.27316@alc.com> altinbay@alc.com (John Altinbay) writes:
>
>Ah, the things we come up with to justify everything.
>
>It may be legal according to Italian law, but let's look at what you're
>saying.  You put up money to deposit in a kitty in case an artist
>complains.  If they don't complain, you short them their royalties.
>Sounds really fair, doesn't it?  Do they need to monitor what CDs every
>little Italian operation puts out to collect what they would normally
>expect to get out of their work?


Actually, I don't have to justify anything...

And you shouldn't be mad at me, because I was just pointing out something.

And I know two persons who started arguing about: "Do bootlegs deprive
artists of money?". It's been a lot of years and they still can't say
who's right. (Personally, I think they DON'T lose money. Since I'm pretty sure
you're thinking the exact opposite, we can start our own little discussion,
we'll have something to do for the next two months!! :-) )


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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: CD lifespan question
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:58:30 GMT

In article <92097.140138U233A@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> U233A@wvnvm.wvnet.edu writes:

>     I'm certain this has been discussed before, but I don't
>monitor this list frequently.  There has been talk around the
>office of CD's breaking down after 10 years or so.  Is anyone
>qualified to speak on this subject?  It would seem a shame to
>have my "good-for-a-lifetime"  CD collection reduced to
>temporary status.  Thanks for the time!  Tony

"Good for a lifetime" seems to be really unknown.   Until we
have these around for several decades we won't know.

CD's aren't the only problem.   In the motion picture industry
important films have faded into oblivion because the new dyes
faded.  The old technicolor prints were made from 3 different
b&w negs.

And masters that I made in the recording studio - on 2" 24
track and 32 track machines have become unplayable because of
chemical interactions on back-coating.

After years of observation it seems to me that the initial
develpments, whether it be audio/film/whatever were relatively
stable, but as time passed and costs became a factor, the
'cheaper' method - that seemed so good - usually became the
downfall.

I have 78 RPM records that are 90 years old.   The materials
are stable.   I have LPs that are 40 years old.  Some of them
have had problems.   Some plastics used seemed to flow more,
and if a disk was stored on edge I have seen a slight amount of
flow so the disk is not perfectly round.   Not often, but it
seems like a good idea to rotate the disks every year or so,
just as it is a good idea to rewind tapes every year or so.

From the standpoing of time, it seems the only stable media
seemed to be clay tablets inscribed then baked.  Those show a
3000 to 4000 year lifespan without much problem :-)


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: RARE CDs FOR SALE (WARNING: 900+ lines)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:08:19 GMT

barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

>In article <34974@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
>> [Selling 900+ cd's]

> [Voices misgivings about the seller.]
>	I suggest you explain just how this sale is working, really.

I'd like an explanation as well.  Some of those CD's were pretty tempting,
but I really don't know anything about the operation.  Where do these CD's
come from?  How did you manage to become the distributor?
-- 
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From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:51:58 GMT
Subject: Re: rec.music.cd -> rec.collecting.cd (was: removal of rec.music.cd)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd

Why not just rec.cd?  Or rec.audio.cd?
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We make money the ole fashioned way. We beat people for it.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Desert Moon, Dennis Deyoung ???
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr14.203331.8780
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.180411.11844@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes...
>It's from the album _Desert_Moon_ (1985?) by Dennis De Young.  I used to own
>a copy on cassette.  I don't recall ever seeing it on CD.

It does. I have a copy on CD. I'm glad it has the words to it because the tape
does not contain them.

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From: wwiriyan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Weling Wiriyan)
Subject: CDs for sale !!!!
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:08:40 EDT


The following CDs are for sale : 
(Asking price: each CD $6. If you are buying several CDs, I would be willing
to sell at a lower price.)

Paul McCartney - Choba B Cccp the russian album.
Desmond Child - Discipline.
Daryl Braithwaite - Higher Than Hope.
Welcome To The Beautiful South - Welcome To The Beautiful South.
Bad English - Bad English.
Matthew Sweet - Girlfriend.
Veronique - The Good, The Bad & The Funny.
Pia Zadora - Pia Z.
Jane Wiedlin - Tangled.
Trinere - Forever Yours.
Tifanny - New Inside.
Stevie B - Love & Emotion.
Styx - Edge of Century.
Soul Sister - It Takes Two.
Trevor Rabin - Can't Look Away.
The Party - The Party.
The Moody Blues - Keys of The Kingdom.
Moev - Yeah Whatever.
Barry Manilow - Barry Manilow.
Kirsty MacColl - Eletrci Landlady.
Suzanna Hoffs - When You're A Boy.
Guys Next Door - Guys Next Door.
Days of Thunder : Original Motion Picture Soundtrack.
Jane Child - Jane Child.
Box Car - Vertigo.
Reo Speedwagon - The Earth, A Small Man, His Dog and a Chicken.
Crystal Waters - Surprise.
Del Amitri - Waking Hours.
Human Radio - Human Radio.
Vixen - Vixen.
Suzanne Vega - Days of Open Hand
Colin Hay Band - Wayfaring Sons.
Cinema - Wrong House.
Marti Jones - Any Kind of Lie.
Shakespear's Sister - Sacred Heart.
Ian Hunter/Mick Ronson - Ian Hunter/Mick Ronson.
Bo Deans - Home.
Duran Duran - Liberty.
Elisa Fiorillo - I Am.
Dan Fogelberg - The Wild Places.
Jon Bon Jovi - Blaze of Glory / Young Guns II.
David Bowie - Changesbowie.
Shag : Original Motion Piture Soundtrack.
Adult Net - The Honey Tangle.
Maria McKee - Maria McKee.
No Shame - Good Girls Don't Last.
Kool & The Gang - Sweat.
Kelly Willis - Bang Bang.
Kristen Vigard - Kristen Vigard.
Pat Benatar - True Love.
Triplets - ... Thicker Than Water.
Tyketto - Don't Come Easy.
Londonbeat - In The Blood.
Axxis - Kingdom of the Night.
Rick Wes - North, South, East, Wes.
Material Issue - International Pop Overthrow.
Debra Torre - Step It Out.
Vixen - Rev It Up.
The Box - The Pleasure and The Pain.

____________________________________________________________________________

Email:Weling Wiriyan                   Skydreamers 
      wwiriyan@mailbox.syr.edu                ... the way we DREAM it! ...
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: tak2@ra.msstate.edu (Thomas A. Kreeger)
Subject: Re: Vinyl ? Don't make me laugh. Yep, it's flame war time !!!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:23:30 GMT


For those who were talking about silly things to do with CD's
check out Dramarama _Vinyl_ on CompactDisc.  Around track 13
a hidden song starts playing, but instead of one hidden track,
it jumps to the next every other second until 99.  The effect
is rather startling when you what track numbers shoot by just
as fast as the counter usually goes.

Later
Zamfield
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