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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:20:47 EDT
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From:         David Link - Lenoir-Rhyne College 704-328-7379
              <david@ALICE.LRC.EDU>
Subject:      CSLG and guest users.

I think this question has been asked before, but I'm not sure.  I
think the question I remember was about students losing accounts when
they graduate.  Some of our CS students like to keep there account for a
few months while they look for a job.  This is the problem:

Since getting on internet we have had a few people ask for accounts so they
can use the internet to send mail messages back and forth to others that
they know.  We really don't want to tell these people no, but we really
don't want to risk losing our CSLG grant.

The questions are as followings:
1) Can we give them an account with out losing our CSLG grant?
   a) What if we make them sign the same form that the students have to
      sign every year?
   b) What if we set up a second set of the DCL tables so they can't get to
      the CSLG software?  (Yet they would still use VMS)
   c) Is there anything that we can do to allow them access.  Please note
      we are only talking about a few accounts; maybe 10 or less.
   d) Can we charge these people for computer time, paper, connect time, etc.?

      If the answer is only faculty, staff, and students can have accounts
then that would make my job easier. :-)  Thanks for any help.
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David J. Link                 david@alice.lrc.edu
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Hickory, NC  28603 (USA)      I make no claims, but God does.
From: chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (Ta Fuh Chiam)
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Subject: RE: eXcursion
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:20:59 GMT
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>	I have just recently taken over the TEI area at our center, so I have
>quite a few question which I will ask later, but at the moment I have a
>pressing question about eXcursion. My understanding is that this product has
>been taken off the CSLG, now does this mean we will have to pay the $395 for

Hmm. I do not think eXcursion is ever included in CSLG at all so it cannot be
taken off from CSLG. :-)

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Ta Fuh Chiam
Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:34:00 EDT
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From:         RICK@VSCNET.BITNET
Subject:      LPS and RTNV for Pathworks clients.

        We are beginning to install networks throughout our institutions
        and have decided on Pathworks. We have brought it up throughout
        our Community College system and are in the process of doing so
        at one of our campus based institutions.  After working with DEC
        on what servers, software and licenses were needed we proceeded
        with the above mentioned projects. We thought we had just about
        all of our expenses covered when someone from DEC service contracts
        called about our new agreement for the upcoming fiscal year and
        he began talking about the requirement of buying Layered Product
        Support for each and every desktop device (DOS or MAC) that we have
        licensed for Pathworks.  This additional expense was never mentioned
        in any of our many meetings with DEC concerning our networking plans
        nor did it show up in any written proposals from our local DEC sales
        office.  When these two networks are fully configured we will easily
        have over 240 desktop devices networked. DEC tells me that it will
        cost us $1550.00 per month to have the right to use the software on
        that many workstations. I am sure there are networks out there that
        have many more networked devices than that and if they buy LPS the
        operational expense for the network must be astronomical!

        My questions to the net are : Are other sites paying this? It seems that
        this additional expense, over and above licensing, makes Pathworks
        a prohibitivly expensive network solution even with the CSLG program
        and educational discounting. What are the ramifications of not
        carrying this service? Are there any DEC programs available to help
        instiutions get a handle on such an ongoing fee?

        Any feedback on LPS for Pathworks would be appreciated.

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Rick Blood
Vermont State Colleges
Waterbury, VT
BITNET: rick@vscnet.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:01:47 -0400
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From:         Andrew Potter <AWPSYS@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LPS and RTNV for Pathworks clients.

>The official rule is that if a Mac is going to use a Pathworks server like
>accessing a VAXShare volume or printer under Pathworks via Appletalkand even
>though you do not need any other component, you MUST purchase a Pathworks
>license for the MAC. There is no such thing as a server license anymore. A
>Pathworks license gives you the right to use the Pathworks software, be it
>client or server component. So, if you do not have a license for the MAC, you
>can't use the VAXshare volume on the server because you do not have the rights
>to use it.

I have heard this as well and find it totally absurd to try to enforce or
manage.   We have a large number of Macs on campus which have pathworks
licenses (so that they can have pathworks client tools such as DECnet, LAT,
MacX and MACtcp).   There are numerous Macs on our campus network that are
completely outside our management domain that do not have pathworks licenses.
These machines are on the campus extended network and see our pathworks print
services and file services just like their own Appleshare printers and
file servers.   This seems analogous to charging Ultrix licenses for any
machine on the network that NFS mounts disks on an Ultrix system or access
Ultrix print queues via the TCP/IP remote line printer services.

- Andy
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:49:02 EDT
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: LPS and RTNV for Pathworks clients.

>>Now, here comes the fun part:  What exactly is a PATHWORKS client on the
>>Mac?  As soon as the AppleShare (file server) part of PATHWORKS starts,
>>every Mac on campus can connect to that server, mount volumes, and so on.

... stuff deleted ...

>The PathWorks client for Macintosh includes things like MacX, DECNET, NML, NCP,
>etc. It also includes AppleShare. Since you already have AppleShareee from
>another source, I would think you are okay. Assuming your MicroVAXes are
 license
>d
>as PathWorks for Mac *servers*, I think you have fulfilled your part of the
>licensing. Of course, if you wanted the components in the PathWorks for Mac
>client, you would need to purchase the license. DEC's opinion may differ.

Nop. This is a gray area and is causing some confusions. At any rate, the
official rule is that if a Mac is going to use a Pathworks server like accessing
a VAXShare volume or printer under Pathworks via Appletalkand even though you do
not need any other component, you MUST purchase a Pathworks license for the MAC.
There is no such thing as a server license anymore. A Pathworks license gives
you the right to use the Pathworks software, be it client or server component.
So, if you do not have a license for the MAC, you can't use the VAXshare volume
on the server because you do not have the rights to use it.

Ta Fuh Chiam
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Ta Fuh Chiam
Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
Copeland Hall 22                   INTERNET : chiam@vulcan.cba.ohiou.edu
Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
                                   BITNET   : CHIAM@OUACCVMB
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:05:25 -0400
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From:         "Paul R. Coen" <PCOEN@DRUNIVAC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lisp - What are you using now it is retired

We were lucky -- we actually owned a Lisp license, since we had it before
we went on the CSLG, so we still own a valid PAK.  We made sure it was
installed, and we're continuing to use the old VAX Lisp.  It works fine
with VMS 5.5-1.

The new Lisp product isn't actually out yet, is it?  I'm sure that we will
switch to that at some future date, since I'm sure that a VMS upgrade
will eventually break the old product.
--
Paul Coen, Drew University Academic Computer Center
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:42:00 EDT
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From:         "Eric M. Boehm" <BOEHME@UNION.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: LPS and RTNV for Pathworks clients.

>Now, here comes the fun part:  What exactly is a PATHWORKS client on the
>Mac?  As soon as the AppleShare (file server) part of PATHWORKS starts,
>every Mac on campus can connect to that server, mount volumes, and so on.
>The AppleShare client is part of our standard setup, and there's no way a
>user can necessarily tell whether a service is being offered by a PATHWORKS
>server, an Alisa server, or a MacII in somebody's office.  How many client
>licenses do we need?  Remember, we're not using PATHWORKS as our
>campuswide, documented, suported, etc. Mac solution (yet).  At least access
>to file services on our PATHWORKS test system can be controlled by
>disallowing guest access, which we have done.  But there's no way to
>prevent someone on the other side of campus from using the print services.
>To the Mac, it's just another printer on AppleTalk.

The PathWorks client for Macintosh includes things like MacX, DECNET, NML, NCP,
etc. It also includes AppleShare. Since you already have AppleShareee from
another source, I would think you are okay. Assuming your MicroVAXes are license
d
as PathWorks for Mac *servers*, I think you have fulfilled your part of the
licensing. Of course, if you wanted the components in the PathWorks for Mac
client, you would need to purchase the license. DEC's opinion may differ.

Eric M. Boehm
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:48:45 -0600
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From:         "Warren R. Kiefer - MSU Network Systems"
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Subject:      eXcursion

	I have just recently taken over the TEI area at our center, so I have
quite a few question which I will ask later, but at the moment I have a
pressing question about eXcursion. My understanding is that this product has
been taken off the CSLG, now does this mean we will have to pay the $395 for
the bundled package (QB) for each and every PC we want to put it on ??

WRK
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:24:43 EDT
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From:         Steve Troxel <stroxel@CVGS.SCHOOLS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      sign-off

Whom do I contact to sign-off this user group?

Thanks.

srt
From: HMN@CCVAX1.CC.NCSU.EDU (Harry Nicholos)
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Subject: risc tek 4125 emulator
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:26:02 GMT
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Hi folks,

I'm wondering if there is a product in the Ultrix/Risc software library that
does tek 4125 emulation?  There used to be an old product that did it and I've
had a user request for it.

Any ideas/suggestions/help are certainly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Harry Nicholos
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From:         "McMahon,Brian D" <MCMAHON@GRIN1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: LPS and RTNV for Pathworks clients.

I will agree that microcomputer licensing is a great thorny mess, and
things get REALLY bad when you start networking things.  It seems like
every vendor we talk to has a different idea of how the world works.
(Digital at least is trying to work things out, which is more than I can
say for some of the others we deal with.)

Here's our favorite PATHWORKS brain-teaser:  We have a mixed environment
(who doesn't?) of MS-DOS and Macintosh boxes on our Ethernet.  The PCs run
PATHWORKS, which is fine.  The Macs get their file/print services from
MicroVAXes running software from Alisa Systems, because when we were
mapping this out some three years ago, PATHWORKS for Mac wasn't ready yet.
We would like to go to PATHWORKS for the Macs, too, and have set up one
server for in-house testing.  We also bought enough PATHWORKS client
licenses to cover the machines doing the testing.

Now, here comes the fun part:  What exactly is a PATHWORKS client on the
Mac?  As soon as the AppleShare (file server) part of PATHWORKS starts,
every Mac on campus can connect to that server, mount volumes, and so on.
The AppleShare client is part of our standard setup, and there's no way a
user can necessarily tell whether a service is being offered by a PATHWORKS
server, an Alisa server, or a MacII in somebody's office.  How many client
licenses do we need?  Remember, we're not using PATHWORKS as our
campuswide, documented, suported, etc. Mac solution (yet).  At least access
to file services on our PATHWORKS test system can be controlled by
disallowing guest access, which we have done.  But there's no way to
prevent someone on the other side of campus from using the print services.
To the Mac, it's just another printer on AppleTalk.

In actual practice, this isn't much of a problem right now, because the
stuff on the test server is pretty much useless to anyone outside of our
department, but I wonder ... how *is* a mixed (-up) environment like this
supposed to be handled, anyway?

(I hope the above description isn't TOO opaque.  I can confuse myself
easily, just by thinking about it.)

Brian McMahon (BDM13)    <MCMAHON@GRIN1.BITNET>    <MCMAHON@AC.GRIN.EDU>
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From:         Jack Plain <PLAIN@FANDM.BITNET>
Subject:      Lisp - What are you using now it is retired

I am wondering what some of you have done, to make Lisp available to your
users, now that Lisp is "retired". Thanks for your help.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:10:15 EDT
From:         Bob Klein <KL2@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 3+ routing, Cisco gw

You should use the address of the server.  We do this all the time.
The TR bridge should be transparent to the router and should not
make any difference.

>
> My problem with 3+ is how to configure servers in one net on the other
> nameserver.
> Adding a server from the other net gives a prompt for Ethernet address,
> but which address are you going to use, the server or the router address?
>
> The problem is a little more complicated because the 3+ TR net is connected
> to the cisco router TR via an IBM bridge.
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From:         Szymon Sokol <SZYMON@UCINVL.UCI.AGH.EDU.PL>
Subject:      Re: 3C503-16 vs. 3c507

> From:         DiBella <joe@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL>
> Has anyone heard of a 3c503-16 ethernet adapter from 3Com?  Why would
> 3Com come out with another 16 bit version of the 3c503 when they already have
> the 3c507 adapter?

We just bought some 3C503-16's (and we have used 3C507's for over a year).
The main difference: 3C503-16 is FULLY COMPATIBLE with 3C503 - both
Novell driver and packet driver from Clarkson for 3C503 run on the new card.
3C503-16 is jumper-switchable between 8 and 16-bit mode, therefore one can
put it into XT as well as into AT or better machines. When in 8-bit mode,
it even works with boot-PROMs for 3C503. I have not yet tested its speed -
maybe someone does - but it seems that they are not slower (in 16-bit mode)
than 3C507's, being much cheaper. In my opinion - a good move of 3Com.


                                   Szymon Sokol
                                   Network Manager

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From:         "Damon Atkins" <nomad@DEAKIN.OZ.AU>
Subject:      3com Workstations

=====================================================================

   Need information on 3com Workstations (286's) regarding there boot
protocal.  3com packet description that sits inside the
either packet. I would like to write a program to boot them up.
Any help would be usefull about the machines, reconfiging or
changing the way they boot would help.


Australia, Deakin University			nomad@deakin.oz.au
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About IBM
    ".. an Operating System originally designed for a microprocessor
       that modern kitchen appliances would sneer at...",
	-Dave Towbridge _Computer Technology Review, Aug. 90.

     "DOS - the original computer virus.",
     "OS/2 on PS/2 - half an Operating System on half a computer."
	 -Kim Lester:  Dept. High Energy Physics, Sydney University,
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:38:31 EDT
From:         "Paul F. Schulze" <PFS@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      3COM 500 (or 600) file servers needed

I have a need for several 3COM 500 (or 600) file severs.

If anyone has some they would like to get rid of, please contact me
and we can see about doing what is necessary to obtain them.

Thanks


Paul F Schulze                         SCHULZEP@NIHOD31
Director, OD LAN Support Center        PFS@NIHCU.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:15:00 +0200
From:         Lars Scheffmann <scheffmann@DOU.DK>
Subject:      3+ routing, Cisco gw

We want to connect two 3+Share ver. 1.6 networks (1 Ethernet & 1 Token Ring)
via a cisco router.

I believe it is still going to be 2 different networks, because we want to
route XNS together with IPX and IP.

My problem with 3+ is how to configure servers in one net on the other
nameserver.
Adding a server from the other net gives a prompt for Ethernet address,
but which address are you going to use, the server or the router address?

The problem is a little more complicated because the 3+ TR net is connected
to the cisco router TR via an IBM bridge.

Can anyone help or give some hints??

Lars Scheffmann
Uni. of Odense, DK
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:19:14 -0500
From:         MARTIN@MSRCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 3C503-16 vs. 3c507

The fastest card available is the new 3Com Etherlink III. Its about $200
and is available now. Its faster even than EISA cards.

Martin Eisenschmied
Mt. Sinai School of Medicine
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:48:06 CDT
From:         DiBella <joe@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      3C503-16 vs. 3c507

Has anyone heard of a 3c503-16 ethernet adapter from 3Com?  Why would
3Com come out with another 16 bit version of the 3c503 when they already have
the 3c507 adapter?

Does anyone know how the 3c507 adapter compares with the SMC EtherCard Plus
(8013EPC)?  Have there been any trade studies on these cards?

JD
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