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From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:07:20 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier) writes:
> It is because strength and weight are not
> linearly related. Elephants can't jump, because they'd likely break their
> legs. Ants can lift multiples of their mass easily. (Physics just HAD to rear
> it's ugly head.  ;-)
>
>Rod
>(a small person who can't quite bench his weight)

Right on; a physics/fitness discussion.

Okay, since strong people have big muscles, let's see what it is about being
"big" that makes a difference. It can't be the volume of the muscle, because
then strength *would* be proportional to mass, and our experience suggests
otherwise.

Big muscles are generally big *around*, i.e. big in cross section. So, if
strength is proportional to cross sectional area, and area goes as
mass **(2/3), then smaller people would be "stronger":

Example: 150-lb and 225-lb males; the 150-lb guy can bench 205 for eight.
         If strength were linear in mass, Mr.225 should bench 307.5 lbs.
         (for eight reps now). If strength goes as mass**(2/3), he only
         need bench 268.6. Sound more reasonable?

I'm sure it's much more complicated than this, but hey, I'm a plasma
physicist; if I get to within an order of magnitude, I'm happy...:)

	-- Don
--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                     Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory        Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                          Renaissance Dude

 The ideas and opinions expressed here do not represent official policies
 of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,  the University of California,
                or the United States Department of Energy.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Pulse Monitors
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:44:23 GMT

I've thought about investing in a pulse monitor.  I've heard they are
expensive, 100 dollars and up.  I've also read complaints on the net
that they malfunction around exercise machines with electronic displays.

I use a lifecyle step machine and a schwin aerodyne bike so this concerns
me.  Can these monitors be used on such machines?  If so, what are the
good brands to buy?  I dont mind ancedotal experiences.  Id rather hear
someone's predjudices who bought and tried one of these then hear a
salseman's bullshit story.

Thanks 

Steve R

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Need to improve endurence FAST
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:57:04 GMT

tlindgre@cvbnet.prime.com (Terence Lindgren x5360 5-2) writes:
>I am a little confused. A food with 4% of its Calories coming from fat is
>high in fat?


...nah.  Anything at or below 20% fat by calories is OK.  Just watch those 
per-packaged foods.  The labels "*80% fat free*" are by weight.  Bologna
advertised "*80% fat free*" is still over 50% fat by calories (the one I
checked was 64% fat by calories--28grams per serving, 70 calories per serving,
5grams of fat per serving + 64% fat)...looking forward to the new labels.

-- 
JOE SWEENEY (jsweeney@encore.com) ENCORE COMPUTER CORP.; MELBOURNE, FLORIDA
My postings/letters are flame proof.  If you've taken offense, you may have
misunderstood me.  If you differ with me, that's just fine and your response
is welcome.  ****Please place :-) at all locations you feel necessary.****
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Heart Rates etc, request for advice
From: jem@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joan McGalliard)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:10:56 GMT
Organization: Australian Computing and Communications Institute


I don't have much spare time, so I am trying to get fit the
"easy" way, by cycling to work.  I thought I was getting
about 40 minutes of aerobic exercise each working day.  Then
the other day I had to run for a train.  It was a short run,
but by the time I was seated, I was panting, and my pulse
was pounding in my ears.  My guess is that I am coasting to
work, and not really getting my heart beat up to an aerobic
pace.

So, what do others here do to ensure they are working hard
enough?  Do you stop for 10 seconds to take your pulse,
learn to recognise the right intensity or what.  I am
thinking of purchasing a heart rate monitor - would that be
helpful or is it just a silly gadget?

If anyone thinks a monitor would be a good idea, what
features do you think I need or might want?  Brand names are
less important, as I live in Australia and they may not be
the same here.

Email, if you prefer, and I will summarise to the net if
there is sufficient interest.

If this is on a FAQ, can someone tell me where to ftp from, 
as I couldn't find it here.

joan
-- 
 "It's better to live on your     Joan McGalliard, 
  feet than to die on your        Australian Computing and 
  knees."                         Communications Institute.
                                  (borrowing latcs1)
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Distribution: misc.fitness
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:10:22 GMT

charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co writes:

* A question to the floor:
* 
* I've been training for a number of years now, and I'm very happy with my size
* and shape. However, my body-fat has always remained between 11-14%. How do I
* go about bringing it down into single figures (4-7%) ? Lots of aerobics ? What
* about my diet ? Do I need any supplements ? Do I lay off the weights ? What
* sort of time-scales am I looking at ? etc. etc.

A question to answer your question:

If you are very happy with your size and shape,
why do you care about reducing your body fat from
a healthy 11-14% down to a possibly unhealthy 4-7%?

Your body *wants* to be at that fat level,
and if you have no health problems,
well --- as the saying goes,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:55:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>Somehow, pigs and humans seem different to me.  Although monkeys are closer,
>they aren't humans either.

The pig digestive system is very close to the human, so they're a nice
testing animal for stuff like this. They're also very useful in alcohol
research.

While it's always good to verify animal studies with human trials, if you
understand the strengths and weaknesses of the animal's similarities to us,
you can extrapolate the results and they can be quite useful without putting
humans at risk.

>That's an important factor there.  L-Carnatine, as you say below, helps
>transport fatty acids to the blood stream to be used as a primary source of
>energy.

Yeah. I've only seen one Chromium/Carnatine combined study so far, and I
don't believe it did anything that the Chromium-only studies didn't already
do, but I also think that the amounts in the study were too low (200mcg of
Chromium Picolinate and 200mg of L-Carnatine. You want more L-Carnatine than
that).

>Well, supposedly it should help in reducing fat and increasing muscle mass
>by allowing more aminos and carbs into the muscle cells, so one might
>experience a weight GAIN (but be leaner).

Good point. In fact, that's basically what the Tulane pig study showed, since
what they're looking for are non-drug/non-hormone ways of getting leaner
pork. Looks like they're on the right track.

-- 
            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX)
                      Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms
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                       Sterling Holloway: We'll miss you.
From: control3@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mark Readman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Too late to build?
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:34:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: control3@gauguin.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


Its never too late. :-)
Mark.
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From: tlindgre@cvbnet.prime.com (Terence Lindgren x5360 5-2)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Need to improve endurence FAST
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:49:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision


	I am a little confused. A food with 4% of its Calories coming from fat is
high in fat?
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Chromemate,Xobaline and ?
Keywords: These questions are directed to Adam, Chuq and any of
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:09:40 GMT

of you folks out there that might know some answers.

I have been using products from a company in California called
"E-CAPS" for about 3-4 years now.  I have been using a number
of there products but recently I started using 2 inparticular.

One is Chromemate (US Patent 4,923,855 and 4,954,492). This GTF
chromium is 200mcg per dose and is in a "yeast free" form.
I weigh 163 lbs and participate in ultra-distance events (i.e.
Ironman Tri's, long distance bike races etc.)  Is this the type
of Chromium I need and how much do I really need to take per day.
The company recommends 3X per day.  When I am training hard I
work out 15-20 hours per week, I am 42 years old and my current
body fat is 7.3%.

The other product I have started to use is Xobaline (also known
as Cobamamide). This product is to help in the process of
protein biosynthesis, tissue regeneration, muscle growth and
"RED BLOOD CELL" production (the oxygen carrying type!!)  What do
you folks know of this.


Thanks ahead for your input,
Curt      

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: FAQ
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:14:45 GMT


IS there a FAQ for this group.  If so, how can I get it?


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The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
From: silver@yorick.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: MORE ON STEROIDS AND ME!
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:50:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

I called Mile High Publishing a little over a year ago when I got Bill's
book to ask if I would be allowed to use information from there.  After a
couple hours, a lady called me back and said there was no problem unless
I sited the book properly.

I had written some technical reports for a class of mine here, and I also
posted those reports in postscript format to one of the machines here at
Maryland so people could FTP it.

I had all all of my sources appropriately sited using the MLA format.  This
report would show which info or words I used from any books or journals.
I don't have these files any longer on my hard drive.

DOES ANYONE OUT THERE STILL HAVE THOSE FILES?  PLEASE TELL ME.  I WOULD
LIKE TO REPOST THEM SO PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT STUFF IS REALLY
MINE.

By the way, if you want to know what supplements really work these days,
you don't have to read Muscle Media 2000.  You just have to call up some
of the better supplement companies.  That's where I got a lot of my info.
I didn't know anything about Vanadyl Sulfate until I saw a few words about it
being a great supplement in MuscleMag International.  They didn't say anything
about the supplement, but they gave a number to call to find out about it.
I called and the people there told me all about it.  That's where I got my
info about Vanadyl.  Just call 1-800-654-GAIN.  I didn't believe the products
claims until I tried it.  I knew about Vanadyl before it was even in
Muscle Media 2000.

							-Adam

PS  Bill says to get it from BMI (whoever they are).

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     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Tan for the winter
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:01:49 GMT

I used to use tanning beds, but the last time I did,
I couldn't get my skin to stop looking like it had
dandruff. It really dried it out! Also, I have read
that the tan from a bed will NOT protect you from the
sun. It's just cosmetic. Something about A and B 
ultraviolet rays. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend it.

Kay Jones
From: jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Targetting lower lats
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:47:22 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Hi all,

	I have no trouble exercising (and feeling sore in :-)) my
	upper lats (the ones between the shoulder blades) but I
	cannot seem to target the lower lats (the ones at about
	elbow-level and lower).  Even wide grip pulldowns do not
	seem to hit that area.

	Any advice?  Thanks.

J.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:18:51 CST
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <17529@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
|> Hmmm..  Just to put in my numbers:
|> 
|> I'm 164 pounds.  I just recently did 225lbs for 21 reps (no bouncing or
|> cheating).  I'm maxing around 360 (340 with a powerlifting pause).
|> 
|> 						-Adam

Yeah, well you ARE a walking pec muscle!

Wanna fight?
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Targetting lower lats
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:15:41 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <42439@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain) writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> 	I have no trouble exercising (and feeling sore in :-)) my
> 	upper lats (the ones between the shoulder blades) but I
> 	cannot seem to target the lower lats (the ones at about
> 	elbow-level and lower).  Even wide grip pulldowns do not
> 	seem to hit that area.
> 
> 	Any advice?  Thanks.
> 
> J.

I've found narrow grip pullups (or pulldowns) hit the lower lats good.  
Also, wide grip pullups(and downs) frontways (behind the neck gets upper lats).

If you do the pullup kind, tilt your body back to make your arms more
perpendicular to the bar then pull up, keeping that position, and touch the bar
to your lower pecs.  When you pull your elbows back as your'e going up, get a
mental picture of your lower lats contracting and keep good form.

Doing the pulldown kind, be sure your legs are tucked under a restraining bar
or such (so you don't lift yourself up).  Use the same motion as the pullups,
leaning back and pulling the bar to your lower pecs.
I find using the mental picture really helps concentrating on the muscle you're
working and makes you work it well.

For _thickness_ of lower lats, do barbell rows, t-bar rows, deadlifts (gets
more lower back).

For the best back of all, join a Hawaiian canoe team!

strength
Rachim.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: robin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robin Amano)
Subject: Re: Too late to build?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:25:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224410.14321@psg.com> rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar) writes:
>
>I want to start working out in a Gym, but at 25 am I too late to begin body
>building? Would Amino acids help in any way, and how should they be taken
>(after or before exercise?). I am a very thin guy (60 kilograms) and would
>like just to have a body! I have no aspirations to be Mr Universe but I would
>like a body to be proud of before its too late. I used to play alot of sport
>but with heavy job commitments I have gone into a fitness rut and I cant
>believe how I have changed in a short amount of time (physically). Whats the
>best method to motivate oneself after long periods of laziness?
>
>Regards, Rick.




                   JUST DO IT!!



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rob

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Frequently asked questions
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:26:03 GMT


Has a FAQ been put together for this group?  If so, how can I get one?

Jim Meritt
--
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The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:41:16 GMT

Gentlemen, gentlemen! The powerlifter will say that bodybuilding 
contests are too subjective and the olympic lifter will chide both 
as being non-sports since only he is part of the olympics and the 
non-weight trained martial arts expert boasts he can beat the crap 
out of all three of them. This sort of posturing is quite pointless!
More suited for a bar room brawl.

Let's have a little unity here, eh? Weight training in all its forms
is fun and can bring health benefits to those who partake. One such 
benefit being increased strength. Each picks his own avenue of
expression; one is not better than the other.

As for the following statement:

>Also you're probably all bodybuilders and everyone knows bodybuilders 
>are nowhere near as strong as they look.

A luminary such as Art Jones has also made this statement and I've seen
it phrased in different ways (e.g. BBs look like they can move a house but
can only move a car, etc.). I never could understand, though, how much,
a 20" arm is "supposed" to curl or how much a 28" thigh is "supposed" to
squat. I'm unaware of any hard and fast size vs strength correlation. All
"magic numbers" are simply guidelines.

As a mental exercise, certainly "pure" bodybuilding and strength are
unrelated since bodybuilding contests don't use strength as a judging
criterion. Yet, in reality, strength and size are connected.

-George

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From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:02:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.154812.15238@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>>  * since steroids are hormones your production of sperms reduce,
>>    and with enough time down to zip, so you get infertile, that
>>    is, your nucks shrink down to size.
>>  * you get an incremented sexual drive (like 10 times a day isn't enough)
>These two contradict.  I've heard the first claim predominates and
>some poeple lose their sex drives and abilities to perform.
>If you lose your sex drive you don't care about performing, though your girlfriend
>cares :-)

 no, they don't, cos the steroids supplies you with the hormones instead
of your natural production, but I've also heard you can get impotent by
steroids. And I think your girlfriend would care more if you want to get
down and do the dirty deed 10-15 times a night, every night, than if you
didn't do it at all :)




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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Do sit-ups make you thicker?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:27:54 GMT

I remember reading somewhere that conventional sit-ups actually serve to
thicken your waist, rather than trim it. Does this make sense?

Steven
From: sritacco@wet.UUCP (Steve Ritacco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Pulse Monitors
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:20:00 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

I recently received a Polar Acurrex monitor as a gift, and it works great.
They are about $200.00 which is too much, if you ask me, but in general, the
Polar units are the only ones I haven't heard anything bad about.

I know that Polar makes a unit that just gives you a current pulse value for
about $100.  The problem is that you can't change the battery in the transmitter.

Steve
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com>
Subject: pulse monitors
Reply-To: "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: misc
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:10:35 EST

  Speaking of pulse monitors, could anyone comment on the PulseTrack
model that is offered by NordicTrack as a $49 accessory?  Does it work
reliably?  (It uses an earlobe clip.)
  My NordicTrack Excel came with a speedometer/chronometer but it does
not have the pulse-rate monitor and I'm wondering if I should add it.

-- Ron
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James Meritt (m23364@mwunix) wrote:

: Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
: interest in improving yourself.  Why?
                                   ^^^

		*  Why not?

		*  Because....

		*  Why ask why?


(I couldn't resist!!!    :-)  )


                ............Linda Jackson
                            Hewlett-Packard
                            Ft. Collins, Colorado
                            linda@hpfcmdd
From: alspach@lilly.com (G. K. Alspach)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Tan for the winter
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:15:38 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Eli Lilly and Company
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In article
<1992Dec18.142835.21035@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Oscar
Levin, olevin@random.hwr.arizona.edu writes:
>    I'm memeber of a club that have several tanning beds.
There
>    is some kind of danger using this thing for
>    tanning? (beside skin cancer).

I would think the skin cancer part should be enough.  One
summer I used a tanning bed three days a week.  Two years
later I have had 3 irregular moles (dysplastic nevus)
removed from my back and arm.  My dermatologist has warned
me that due to this irregularity that I am more likely to
develop skin cancer.  And under no circumstances should I
use a tanning bed.  She indicated that the sun is
healthier for you than the bed.

My sister is a tanning bed enthusiast and developed a rash
that was later diagnosed as coming from other people's
sweat on the tanning bed.  If you feel so compelled as to
try it, please make sure the beds have been cleaned
between sessions.

Gretchen
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