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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge)
Subject: Re: True Blue Madness
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:48:18 GMT

richt@meaddata.com (Rich Thompson) writes:
: In article <Bx5w4K.464@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore) writes:
: |> In article <1992Nov2.215153.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl128256@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: |> >I see little about the probable creator of midnight madness 'Kentucky' and
: |> >it was a good one this year as it has been for many a year.
: |> >
: |> >		jd
: |> >
: |> 
: |> I don't think anyone went to Kentucky's Midnight Madness this year... ESPN
: |> had a Moster Truck Rally on at the same time....Decisions...Decisions...
: |> 
: 
: I saw a small story in the Dayton Daily News about it.  They said it was
: quite a success this year.  They had 8,000 in attendance and had to turn 
: away more than that.  Can anyone post more details, please!!??

 My brother-in-law (who lives in Ky) was there as he has been every year since
 the mid-80's.  He came away very excited about the team.  He thought they 
 looked better than any UK team he has seen at Midnight Madness.  He was
 especially impressed with Dent and Ford.  He said that Dent looks really
 strong inside and Ford has lost some weight and his knee is healed and he
 looks much quicker.  His impression of Rhodes was "That guy is an athlete!"
 He said that Rhodes, Delk, and Prickett all had some good moments in the
 scrimmage but that Delk and Rhodes looked a little out of control at times.
 On a not-so-positive note, he thought that Brassow was a little bit 
 tentative, though Pitino says that his knee is now 100%

 The leading scorers in the 10-minute scrimmage were Martinez with 11 and 
 Dent with 10.  One of the festivities of the night was a free-throw 
 shooting contest between Andre Riddick (26% last year) and Travis Ford
 (80% last year).  Riddick actually hit 3 of 5 but Ford won with 4 of 5.
 As usual the place was packed and people were turned away and it was
 televised live and then replayed the next day for those who didn't want
 to stay up late Saturday night.

 Did anyone on the net go?  I would like to hear some other impressions.
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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: UMass:The ONLY Midnight Madness that matters.
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:49:40 GMT

In article <BxDoDv.16n@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
>In article <18893.2af52728@ecs.umass.edu> dmason@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>
>>	All of you better take heed.  The UMass Minutemen began their practices
>>with a 12:01 a.m. practice in front of 6000 people in the Ragin' Cage at the
...
>>dOn mASoN
>
> oh it's been abouit a week all ready since practices began....but at
>Purdue, we had OVER 12,000 people see our team practice..get real..
>6,000..hmmmmm....better ghet more people there..

Must be an inter-campus IM match at BWI.

- goober (lurkers r me) smith
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Another All-Time team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:24:38 GMT

richt@meaddata.com (Rich Thompson) writes:
>Yeah,  wouldn't you put Rex Chapman in there somewhere?  What about
>"The Dipper" and "The Mash"?  I'm not too up on teams before ~78, though
>but I would think at least one of these guys would make that elite team.

	No, I wouldn't put Rex Chapman on the team.  He had a great
	career at UK yes, but he only played 2 years, and dumped on the
	program when it was in trouble.  If he had stayed, he most
	probably would have been UK's all-time leading scorer and on
	my all-time team.

	The jury's still out on Mashburn.  He still has 2 years to go.
	Bowie was good, but his injuries just take away from his
	accomplishments.  I think it's important to include players like
	Ramsey and Hagan because they represent the golden age of UK
	basketball under Adolph Rupp.  Both are players that are in the
	Basketball Hall of Fame, so how could they NOT make the all-time
	team?

	Jazzy J
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: UNC, Duke, and ACC Trivia
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:54:22 GMT

In article <6738@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.170642.19923@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day) writes:
>
>>How many years did it take Duke to sink to last place in the ACC
>>after its inception?  (How many times did Duke finish 8th, or tied
>>for 7th?  Who was Duke's coach that year?)
>
>It took 20 years, since it happened in 1974.  Then they finished last or
>tied for last for four years in a row. The coach in 1974 is one Nate McGeachy,
>who is now a promoter in Fayetteville.  He was named coach right before the
>season began, because Adolph Rupp backed out on Duke.  Yup, the Baron was
>going to try to prove his doubters wrong by coming out of retirement, but he
>begged off at the last second.

I wonder if it is any coincidence that I'm still waiting for Ashley McGeachy
to turn in her stories for the Daily Stupid basketball preview tab, which were
due two days ago.  'Dem blasted McGeachys!

>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>"Marta likes to talk about sensuality; I say she wouldn't know sensuality if
>it bit her on the ass."--Jack Handey

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From: arminius@soc11.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Are the Dookies chicken?
Keywords: Dook,UA
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: arminius@soc11.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter)
Distribution: usa


In article <1992Nov9.164631.22314@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

|> >|> >	I believe that Duke dropped Arizona because Lute didn't
|> >|> >	want to play in Cameron.  After all, previous games had
|> >|> >	been at a neutral site and at Arizona.  At least UCLA
|> >|> >	is willing to play home and home.
|> >|> >
|> >|> >	Besides, if Arizona really wants to play Duke, all they
|> >|> >	have to do is find their way into the Final Four.
|> >|> >
|> >|> >	--rb
|> >|> 
|> >|> You had better check your information, because you are wrong!  
|> >|> The first game was played at Meadowlands, the second at Cameron 
|> >|> and the third here at McHale.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Next time, look before you leap!
|> >
|> > The series was, despite my outrage at the Arizona site game, some fantastic
|> >basketball. However, one major factor it may have been dropped was Arizona's
|> >insistence that the refs be Pac-10 in all three games.
|> 
|> This also is not true.  Arizona has had nothing to say about the refs at 
|> Duke (they were ACC refs) and little to say about the refs at the Meadowlands 
|> (since it was a pre-season tournament).  The problem with the PAC-10 is that 
|> it is written into the charter that all games (even non-conference) played at 
|> PAC-10 home arenas must be officiated by PAC-10 refs.  This is the reason why 
|> Georgetown has not honored the return game of it's home-home agreement with 
|> UA (we played at Georgetown several years ago, they have refused to come 
|> here until the PAC-10 will allow neutral refs).  I agree that it is a very 
|> bad regulation and athletic coordinators throught the PAC are working on 
|> getting this changed (last I heard). 
|> 
|> But please don't blame all of this on UA.
|> 
|> Ted
|> 
  I was not aware of that perverse PAC-10 rule, which explains much. However, I
can say that the refs at the game in Cameron were not ACC refs--> I don't know
who they were, but remember the buzz of "who the hell are these refs?" at the
game.

ian
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Are the Dookies chicken?
Keywords: Dook,UA
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:49:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <6767@news.duke.edu>, arminius@soc9.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter) writes:
>  The series was, despite my outrage at the Arizona site game, some fantastic
> basketball. However, one major factor it may have been dropped was Arizona's
> insistence that the refs be Pac-10 in all three games.

This is straight up bullshit. UA made no such demands. The reason it was dropped
was to allow games in the home region of two Duke recruits. That is the
only reason (that and the fact Arizona beat up on them). Arizona insists only
upon equal officiating -that is, if you have home conference refs then we want
home conference refs - period. UA has never demanded that all games in a series
be officiated by PAc-10 officials - tell me - who officiated the game at Duke?
How about the game in Jersey? Thanks,


			gln
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: ACC Early Departures
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:33:38 GMT

In article 6739@news.duke.edu, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>|As promised, here is the complete list of ACC players that have gone pro early:
>|
>|Clemson: Skip Wise (Fr, 1975)
>|Duke: None (although Banks, Ferry & Laettner all considered it)
>|Georgia Tech: Kenny Anderson (So, 1991); Dennis Scott (Jr, 1990)
>|Maryland: Jerrod Mustaf (So, 1990); Buck Williams (Jr, 1981); Brad Davis(Jr, 76)
>| Moses Malone (1974); Barry Yates (Jr, 1971)
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Rob, did Malone actually play for Maryland?  I was under the impression that he came out straight from high school?

Pete


>|North Carolina: J.R. Reid (Jr, 1989); Mike Jordan (Jr, 1984); 
>| James Worthy (Jr, 1982); Bob McAdoo (Jr, 1972)
>|NC State: Charles Shackleford (Jr, 1988); Chris Washburn (So, 1986);
>| Kenny Carr (Jr, 1977)
>|Virginia: Olden Polynice (Jr, 1987) 
>|Wake Forest: Kenny Green (Jr, 1985)
>|	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>|"Marta likes to talk about sensuality; I say she wouldn't know sensuality if
>|it bit her on the ass."--Jack Handey



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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: All-time Duke team poll: Results
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:00:56 GMT


	Well, I have received and counted all votes (there were 8 responses
	and here is the All-time Duke team, as determined by netters:
	(1st team votes listed in parantheses)

	G -- Danny Hurley -- 16(8) -- unanaminous choice
	G -- Johnny Dawkins -- 14(7) -- someone left him off his ballot!
	F -- Christian Laettner -- 15(7)
	F -- Danny Ferry -- 12(6) -- left off of 2 ballots
	C -- Mike Gminski -- 14(6)

	Others:
	Gene Banks -- 8(2)
	Art Heyman -- 5(2)
	Grant Hill -- 5(1)
	Tommy Amaker -- 5
	Mark Alarie -- 4
	Dick Groat -- 3(1)
	Jim Spanarkel -- 3
	Jeff Mullins -- 2
	Vince Taylor -- 2

	1 vote:
	Alaa Abdelnaby, Bob Bender, Quin Snyder, Brian Davis, Tate
	Armstrong, Kenny Dennard, Mike Lewis, Jack Marin, Bob Verga


	Now, here's the next poll (I'll take votes again) -- we'll
	stick w/ the ACC -- and what's your all-time North Carolina team?

	Jazzy J
 
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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA Scandal
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:35:10 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

In article <XJAM.92Nov6001420@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
>>>>>> "Trent" == Trent Lange <lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu> writes:
>
>  Trent> Damn.  Don't you just hate it when "real life*" intrudes on the net?
>
>You're not real until you can shoot your free throws.

Who told you I couldn't shoot my free throws?  Matthew?  Scott?

I'll have you know that I iced one IM game last year by hitting 1 out of 2
free throws with ten seconds left.  Truly a clutch performance for an IM game.

(I won't mention how hitting that 1 FT made me 1-10 for the game.  And
 how that game raised my percentage for the season...)

- Trent Lange

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Raycom (???)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:55:28 GMT

In article <16898C9B9.SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  
writes:
> I have recently moved to the Pacific NOrthwest, but am interested in seeing
> IU play on TV this season.  The schedule I have lists several of their games
> as being shown on "Raycom".  Is this a nationwide cable station?  Does anyone
> know if this Raycom shows only regional things or ....?????? Thanks for your
> help.

Unless you have a satellite dish, or a bar with one, you're probably
out of luck - and then only in luck if a Raycom Big-10 feed is hanging
out up there, unscrambled, and it can be found.  

ACC fans are lucky enough now to have the Raleigh CBS affiliate (WRAL-TV)
as the CBS station in the Eastern time zone "network" package - replacing
WBBM Chicago (thus depriving me of Da Bears and THE MAN Walter Jacobsen
at times of satellite.access).  WRAL carries the full package of Raycom-ACC
telecasts (though some are dupes of ESPN coverage with ACC announcers instead).

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From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: UCONN 92 H(OOPS)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:36:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.090700.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>, kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
>       It's my guess that because of the lack of an experienced center,
>       Uconn will use a heavy rotation to find a way to make up for it.
>       Deffinite starters will be Scott Burrell playing the off gaurd,
>       Donyell Marshall in his usual spot as a forward and look for Toriano 
>       Walker at center.The shooting gaurd should be Brian Fair and the 
>       point gaurd position will have either Kevin Ollie or Covington Cormier
>       starting.The one thing Uconn has going is depth, if they find a way to
>       make it work,look out Big East.Scott Burrell is going to be the leader
>       of the team but with cronic tendonitis in his knees,look for last years
>       red-shirt Rudy Johnson to take his place.If new comer, Travis Knight 
>       plays well,Uconn will have there own twin towers,with Knight at 7' and
>       Marshall playing like a seven footer(who else sprains their elbow on the 
>       rim).Coach Calhoun has got to find a way to make up for the points of
>       Chris Smith and the rebounding of Rod Sellers.If Burrell misses games,
>       the team could have trouble as he and Walker are the only seniors,Olliver
>       Maklin doesn't count cause the only time i've seen him play is when they
>       up by 40 points.The rest of them are last years freshman and three new 
>       ones (Cormier is a transfer) but don't forget that this is supposed to be
>       their greatest recruting class ever.
> 
>
From: manc@cat3.cs.wisc.edu (Man Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Griffith Pick UW
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:14:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.



Rashard griffith announced Thursday night that he'll attend U. of Wisconsin
and is going to sign the letter of intent next Wedesday.  Griffith , a 7.0"
player from Chicago Martin Luther King High School is one of the top 10
prep player in the country.

Go Badgers!!

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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky VS Louisville
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:00:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1dcvk0INN494@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>Well, the big intra-state rivalry will be very early in the season this year.
>I believe UK has only 1 or 2 games before they face the Cardinals.  I have a

Three, to be exact (Wright State, Georgia Tech, Eastern Kentucky, then
UofL).

Although both schools prefer to push this game back a little (to give
them some experience before the Big Game), holding it this early isn't
that unprecedented.  They were the 4th game in 1988, the 5th in 1985, and
the first for UK when the regular season series started up in 1984.

>feeling this may be a UofL year, simply due to the fact that Louisville has
>a team that has played together last year while UK may take a while to get
>team chemistry going.  

Maybe, but Louisville's "chemistry" hasn't permitted them to get very
far the last few years.  I've heard rumors that Crum may be hanging it
up within the next couple of years - has anyone else heard the same?
Any ideas on successors?

>	Anyway, I'm expecting big years from both schools,
>but UofL has an edge (Can they capitalize?) in the Big Game (UK fans probably
>want to get rid of that high ranking expectation early anyway!)

The main edge they'll have is to be playing at home.  Most years, if UK
is better or the schools are about even, Kentucky wins.  When Kentucky is 
down, UofL wins without much trouble.

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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 Tourney (Was: Re: First Anti-CBS comment of the season (was: Re: Pac-10 Expansion))
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:30:03 GMT

In article <matthew.721003974@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>>Face it - the timing sucked. They decided to have the tourney at a time
>>when Arizona was just about unbeatable in Pac-10 play. I believe
>>the Cats were the only team to win the damn thing right? 
>
>Gary is a bit thin on the facts.  There were 4 PAC-10 tourneys, the first 
>at UCLA in 1987 won by the Bruins, the next three at the Forum, ASU?, and 
>Arizona all won by the Wildcats.
>
>He is, however, fundamentally right about the timing.  The Pac-10 has
>been woefully unbalanced in the last few years, with Arizona and one
>other team (UCLA, Oregon State) at the top with them.  Thus, the tourney
>became a slogging-through-the-mud event where everyone had to just hope
>the favorites made it to the final.  

Plus the geography doesn't help.  Growing up near UVa, I knew a number
of hard core fans who went down to the ACC Tournament every year, a
trip in the 4-5 hour range.  Leave after work on Thursday, and get home
Sunday night.  Half the conference is right there, of course, and
Clemson fans are reasonably close.  There is also the long tradition
of the ACC tournament, which for years was the only route to the 
NCAA's.  A lot of us grew up with Friday ACC tournament game
scores announced on the intercom at school.  That's an indication 
of serious interest, which has carried forward even though the
tournament means a lot less in the national picture. 

These days, adding a tournament to a major conference 
seems like a dicey business, since a bunch of teams are going to 
go to the big show anyway. The Big East got away with it, but much
of the conference is within a five hour drive of NYC.  The Pac-10
fans have so far to travel that I don't know if the thing would
have been successful even if it had been more competitive. 

Ken B.

P.S. What about that All-Big Four Tournament team?

Ken Bowers
From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: USENET Top 25 Team Name Update!!!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:17:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov12.014323.11645@news.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>	I suppose when you visited Duke you never bothered going to Central
>Campus...or maybe you're just speaking from pig ignorance...
>
>gharris@jade.tufts.edu          
>George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  

Yawn yawn yawn.  Yes (*sigh*) I've been to Duke.  In fact I lived 3 blocks
from it off of Moreene Road near the Duke Sheraton from Jan '91 -
June '91, 1/2 block from the Duke Forest.  And yes - I used to play
frisbee near the library on East Campus by all the facist fratenities there
because it was, admittedly, a nice place to throw a frisbee around.  And
yes, I've been to Central Campus.  And yes, I was on campus for the bench
burnings following Duke's upset of UNLV at the '91 Final Four.  And yes,
I have a girlfriend who was working at DUMC in the cardiac catheter lab
and she got me into Cameron to watch the '91 Final on the big screen with
all the army of white-bread-wonders in there.

Fuck off, dickhead.  I know what I've seen -and I speak the truth,
asshole.

greg "tired of shithead mouthbreathers who think they always know more
than you do" sherwin