HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Rides (was Re: ok....let's see....)
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:54:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.025432.10349
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) says:
>
>The other date will be posted within 2 weeks of today, so get me your 
>prefered date.  

I don't really have any religious leanings one way or another; whichever
date is finally chosen, I'll probably be there.

>If you can give a ride, please let others know. (yes, I know this was
>done and cancelled all ready...I'm sorry <pout, pout>).

Awwww.... (okay, so I'm a sucker for puppy dog eyes and pouting....)

Anyway, let me repeat my previous offer to give people rides to the 
get-together.  I'll be coming from Cleveland, so I can come and get
almost anyone in northeast Ohio, northwest Pennsylvania, or western
New York without having to go too far out of the way.  I have room 
for three people, or four if no one has a ton of equipment and three
of the four don't mind being very cozy in my rather limited back seat.

This account seems to be having trouble receiving mail from the outside 
world these days, so if you want a ride, you should send mail to 
davis@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu.

-- PTD --
-- 
                      ______    "It may be better to be a live jackal than a
Palmer T. Davis       \ \/ /     dead lion.  But it is better still to be a
<ptd2@po.cwru.edu>     \/\/      live lion.  And usually easier."  -- RAH
From: tcg8@aber.ac.uk (Telsa Christina Gwynne)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: red hair again?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:09:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <9379@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern) 
writes:
>
>   Hopefully Stockport (or wherever) will take your mind off it, huh?  :)
>We got a camerapersonage yet?
>
>White Rabbit

You turned the last one down!

		Telsa
From: wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Looking for fun sex games to play.
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:52:36 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr13.061731.27898@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <204801@unix.cis.pitt.edu> was1+@pitt.edu (Scott A Wayne) writes:
>>[...]I am a bisexual and haven't had much sexual
>>experience with men.  I have had more experience with women.  I am now
>>involved in a relationship with another man at the age of 20.  [...]
>>If you have any ideas on how to make the ordinary seem extraordinary, please
>>let me know.
[Lots of avuncular advice]
>Another thought is to talk with your partner and find out better what
>makes each of you "hot".  It's been easier for me to talk in the
>abstract than communicate with someone I was involved with.
>
>Play safe, take your time, use plenty of lubrication, relax, and have fun.

And ne'er a truer word was spoken!

>Albert "I'm not an old fart, but I play one on the net" Lunde

I thought you'd know better than to "play" with "one on the net"...
	...could be injurious to to your keyboard :-)

Huggles
	Frankums. 
______________________________________________________________________________
        This pink triangle was drawn \bi/ Francis Joseph Wells
B4 f t g++ k+(+) s+ p                 \/                    wells@hci.hw.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 13:12:30 EDT
From: ebt-inc!pks@uunet.UU.NET (Pearl Stark)
Subject: Re: red hair again?
->    peg
    ->    (and sofly whip your naked back...)
    ->    ;) 
    ->    (are we in the right newsgroup?)
    -> 
    -> Always peg. Always. :)
    -> 
    -> boris

you don't fool me boris ;)
_anything_ peg says, goes.
right?
pearl 

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:15:41 GMT

In article <20036@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:
|orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
|>   Long hair is a killer, though, on a good-looking man, when he's
|>also wearing jeans and a jacket. It helps if he's a redhead, too (lapse
|>into drooling...)
|Oooh, long haired men, mmm, what can I say?  Red, blonde, brown, black,
|I'm no fussed ...

   Hmm.  When's the next flight to Edinburgh? (I've not cut my hair in
4 years now :-)

                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
                    Never one to pass up a good e-flirt...
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: e-flirts
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:47:39 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

Peg said:
>but i'm *always* in a red-head mood...
>;)

I must find a colour scanner.  Do they do them human size? ;-)


Kate said:
>wow, i finally got the courage to demuffin. hugs/kisses/licks, anyone?

Certainly madam.  Where would you like me to apply them?


Ro said:
>Flirtitiously munching on the back of the eniter newsgroup's neck:

Oooooohhhhh!!!!   Oh stop it! <squeal!>

No, don't stop ...


Peg also said:
>-btw, elf, i notice that you are a _prisoner_ fan

I'm not a Prisoner fan, but I'm a fan of Portmeirion, the village where it
was filmed.  Only 1 month to go until my holiday there, with Kay and other
"members of the hobby".


Flirtatiously nibbling the *big toes* of the entire newsgroup...

Dave.

--
 Dave Berry, LFCS, Edinburgh Uni.      db%dcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk

Authority is arbitrary.          Nobody is normal.         Assume nothing.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: How do you feel about Outing, a quick poll.
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:10:47 GMT

In <1992Apr9.231845.25895@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis) writes:

>You're drastically overstating Pete Williams' authority and responsibilities.
>Mr. Williams is *not* the "highest ranking" civilian at DoD; depending 
>on how you reckon it, that honor belongs to either Secretary Cheney or 
>the President.  A permanent change in DoD policy that would "end it for 
>good" would require an act of Congress, an executive order, or a command 
>decision that Williams lacks the authority to make.

Not according to the article in The Advocate.  Pete couldn't directly
overturn the rule, but if he said to remove it Dick Cheney would have.

>It would most certainly make a difference to Pete Williams.  Coming out
>is a personal decision based on many factors.  Intruding yourself on 
>someone else's personal decisions is inherently rude and harmful.  In 
>contrived cases such as the prosecutor (or, even worse, a LGB legislator 
>who sponsors homophobic legislation), what that someone is doing may well

There have been numerous "outed" homophobic movers and shakers.  In some
cases, they left office in shame.  In those cases I'd say it did good,
and forwarned others not to do the same.  In other cases, (was it Farwell
or Swaggart?) he's still in power.

>be more harmful.  If you believe that this justifies your striking back,
>then it is your decision whether to do so or not.

You're leaving it up to me? :-)  I don't feel the need to out people,
someone else always does before me. :-)

Seriously, I do not out people because I do a lot of work helping
people work through coming-out problems.  If they knew I outed people,
they wouldn't trust me and I couldn't do it.  On the other hand, people
in the public eye doing dammage to our community (from Eddie Murphy to
Arsineo Hall to Pete Williams) I have no problem with outing.

Though I was not outed in the usual definition, I was certainly dragged
out of the closet before I wanted to be (this was in college).  I know
what it's like and I know it's not a great thing for the person
involved.

Maybe someday being out will not be a big deal, and outing won't be
effective.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (play) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.130642.18484@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>   Part of this fluctuation is purely statistical - some meetings, the
>really nasty folk stay away, and everything goes quite well. For example,
>at one meeting the group decided that the Society should *explicitly*
>mention bisexuals *everywhere* it mentions gay men/lesbians. We also had
>lovely statements being made like "...I don't want Joe and Karina [my SO]
>to have to go somewhere else because they didn't feel included here", and
>"...I think bisexuals must be *doubly* oppressed, because they get all the
>harassment from straight society that we get, *plus* a whole lot from the
>GL community too".
>
>   Then the next meeting, the nasty folk show up again, get all horrified
>at how much has been done for Bi visibility in their absence, and stir
>everything up again. "...bisexuals are only *half* as oppressed as us,
>because their oppression is only based on their gay and lesbian sides",
>"...we don't want to lose a GL focus, bisexuals are welcome here if
>they're prepared to work for the GL cause", and "...bisexuals obviously
>aren't very committed to anything, I mean, where's the Bisexual Movement?".
>
>   (Still, one lesbian admitted that part of the problem was that many
>of her lesbian friends wouldn't come along if they thought bisexuals
>would be at the meeting too. The bi men might crack onto them, and the
>bi women were "sleeping with the enemy". And that's word for word.)
>
>   <deep breath> Whew. Glad I got all that out. The last meeting, I was
>shaking like I never have before. To be fair though, some of the people
>there have been *lovely*, really going out of their way to help us. At
>least I've made some good friends.

wow.  made me shake just to read about it.  i once experienced 
something along these lines, and ended up completely withdrawing.
unwanted (a bit painful) memories come flooding back.  <shudder>

albert, i hope you are getting all of this for your response
letter...  

>   I *never* say no to hugs of any sort. Or much else. (Karina tied me
>up for the first time recently. I think we both enjoyed it more than we
>expected to...)(Ok, fairly vanilla, but we gotta start somewhere! We're
>still young! Give us time! <other protests fade out...>)

heh heh heh...
no other comment necessary...

peg
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: News of the World
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:20:48 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

It seems that the News Of The World, a UK sunday "news"paper, has been
running a mini-series on "The Bi-Sex Boom".  It's the usual salacious
scandal, including a "mucky minister", a transexual, sex-mad students,
contact magazines and contact phonelines, gay lodgers, etc.  I found
out about it because of the following piece about a workshop I was at:

  Bisexual left-wingers are planning a hard-hitting political campaign
  to bring their problems into the open.

  Under the working title of Politically Bi, 20 bisexuals met yesterday
  at Sheffield's Coordinating Centre Against Unemployment -- yards from
  a DHS office called Bent Green House.

  The motley crew, including men and women with cropped hair and Doc
  Marten boots, want to set up a bisexual group linked to Left-wing
  movements such as the Anti-Poll Tax Federation.

  Some of the group belong to the Socialist Workers Party.
  
  Organiser Caroline said: "Male and female bisexuals have separate needs
  and problems and these must be discussed."

I think it's hilarious!  They really had to stretch to find any hint of
scandal.  Although I'm upset at the allegation that I've got cropped hair
and Doc Martens :-).  I hope we do manage to start a "hard-hitting
political campaign" - what we're planning at the moment is a big
presence at EuroPride, a biphobia group, a national media group
akin to the Stonewall Postal Action Network, and a picket of Basic
Instinct.  Whether any of this actually heppens is another matter.

The serious point is that the News of the Screws reporter didn't say
that he was there.  The article makes it seem like Caroline gave him
an interview, but that isn't true.  I've since heard that any reporter
must announce themselves if asked to do so, but I've no idea whether
this is the law, a Press Council recommendation, the code of practice
of the National Union of Journalists, or what.

Dave.
--
 Dave Berry, LFCS, Edinburgh Uni.      db%dcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk

"And so it looks like we're in for another five years of silly government."
					-- Monty Python.
From: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:51:41 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Trinity College, Dublin.

In <1992Apr6.010102.24161@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:

>In article <30830@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> rvard.edu writes:
>>Please could you say a bit more about these?
>[...] To put simply, these people were in a large bi-crowd,
>decided, of their own free will, to experiment, and spent the rest of
>the weekend angsting over the fact that they'd had a sexual encounter
>with a motss.

I'm not discounting what Elf has said; he was there and has a better
idea of what happened than I do. But just to offer another
perspective...

Many GLB people have internalised homophpbia and guilt trip when they
have a relationship, or sex, with a motss. Hopefully, with time, we get
past the guilt and get on with our lives.


<>For most bigots, the mere existence of gay people is
<>anti-social behavior. --- William Tsun-Yuk Hsu

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                            ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.      \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539  FAX: +353-1-772204  email: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie  \/
"Flatulence brings out the worst in me."
From: max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman: liberal hippie subversive dude.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:ok....North East Get Together!
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:02:10 GMT
Organization: The Loonie Bin

In article <3145@cs.rit.edu>, kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
> 
>   In article <3143@cs.rit.edu> kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
>   
>       Date:    June 1 - June 3  1992
>   
> And in this article Kevin D Colagio makes a correction:
> 
> The date is:   MAY 1 - 3   
> 
> Not June 1 - 3....I'm sorry....

	Me too...no WAY I can make it then!  Our Alliance's dance is on the 
1st, and besides, I've got stuff due the next week.  June 1-3 is much 
better for me.
	Also, NYC might be a more central location.  I could hold it at my 
house, if my parents are going away, which they frequently do.  (Yes, they 
know I'm bi, and that many of my friends are, and they know I have lots of 
people over when they're gone...they just don't want to know what goes on. 
=) )
	Comments?  Come on, I've heard from lots of NE'ers through 
E-mail...let's have an open discussion!

		-Max
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:21:27 GMT
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

In article <1992Apr2.174745.1402@cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
> When I started coming out to myself, I found it a big relief to
>be able to admire another man and _not_ feel guilty/confused about it.

For me, it was just the other way around. As far as I remember, and I
admired some men and some women. That I admired men (or boys, at that age)
didn't really strike me as strange, since all girls at school were such
terrible fashion-dolls (except one, *happy smile*), and in the rest of the
small town where I lived the situation wasn't any better. This also might
have caused the fact that I only started 'admiring' people at a relatively
old age (or so it seems); I always found the so called relations at school
were rather silly and based on nothing at all. I wasn't really worried
about my admirations/attractions... I sometimes thought "well, it might
mean that I'm gay... but no, I like some girls too... so it must be
something in between."

It was only much later (some short time after the creation of soc.bi) that
I realized, "Hey! That must mean I'm bisexual! Nice!". Soc.bi raised my
conciousness level, which is a good thing. It worked even better than the
motss sexual encounters I had earlier. And we even discussed bisexuality,
in between! I guess it didn't 'click' hard enough then.

>Ciaran.
-Olaf.
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (S Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: too perverse? (was Re: I am Muffin! I am INVINCIBLE!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:11:34 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:

>and sara says:  
>>Apologies, I've been working all weekend (yech) and I'm shattered so I
>>don't really have the energy for a really good flirt just now ...

>too shattered to flirt?  ha!  i don't buy it for a minute.  perhaps
>to flirt *well* (heh heh heh- teach you to flirt surly on the net!)

Hmmmf, well I'll leave the *real* flirting up to the experts .... me,
I'm a lover not a flirter ...

>sara, note my new .sig, courtesy of michelle elliot:
>peg: she takes a hurting but keeps on flirting

Quite so, my point entirely.  Hum, if you're the soc.bi flirt mebbe I'm
the soc.bi clown - *which* reminds me, someone told me that there were
some elections around here lately - no, not the horrid UK one, but a
soc.bi officials election and I *missed* it <sob> so can someone tell me
who won what please so I can work out if there's anything not been
covered that I can elect myself to?  Thanks ever so ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@quads.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: red hair again?
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:00:43 GMT

In article <iw.703363983@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
>
>Is strawberry blonde kinda like blond streaked reddish golden hair?  Cos
>thats me <and yes there are days I`d sell my grannys soul for a flirt>.
><shy bashful smile, fluttering eyelids, toe nibbles, soft whippings .........>


olaf, put iseult on the list *right*away*!!!!  she's a *strawberry*
*blond*!!!!  (2 strawberry blonds in one hunt/orgy!  peg faints...)


(coming to her senses...)
ooh, iseult, c'mere!  i'll brush you hair, nibble your neck, kiss
your *eyelashes*!  <kiss, kiss>  

peg
(and sofly whip your naked back...)
;) 
(are we in the right newsgroup?)
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:47:16 GMT
Reply-To: rhialto@cs.kun.nl
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

elf@polari.com writes:
[...]
>   Although this particular syndrome applies to almost anybody, almost
>always it applies to whte males- Identifying as an oppressed group to
>assuage guilt feelings of being an individual with power.

Hm, I think that if I said this among the people I like to associate with,
they would not agree (though I did't actually try). And it is (I think) not
true for me. As a (student & other) activist, or possibly more generally
left-wing people, hardly ever have the feeling of "individual with power".
(and even when you have it, it is only temporaryly) Even though most of
these people I mentioned are white, and about half is male.

And, Elf, to determine wether you are 'liberal' as you said in some other
post, you must get on irc more often when I'm on :) and we'll discuss it
;-) (I live on GMT+2 currently, and may be available from somewhere in my
afternoon until 18:30, on weekdays.)

This is of course also true for all you others here, especially if you have
very long and/or red hair ;-)

Where are those gifs? I'll have to get some nice pictures of myself too, of
course.
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes
Date: 4 Apr 92 15:39:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr4.153930.28281
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <1992Apr2.051058.5259@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>> of course not, tanaqui!  can we go red-head hunting together?
>> let's get tim first!!!  ;)~ 
>
>Tim, you have been warned!

Warned?  I thought that was a promise, not a threat.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m'syon khror)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Out of the closet (was Re: Dictionary of American and British Usage)
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:15:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr13.041547.23689
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <20097@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:
>gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>>In article <x7tjtf+.sue@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>>The US expression "coming out of the closet" means "coming out of a small
>>>confining space", and is not taken to mean "coming out of a WC".
>
>
>>Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd always assumed (and thought I'd always heard tell)
>>that 'coming out of the closet' was from the practice of repressed gays
>>meeting in public toilets - a practice known over here as 'closeting' -
>>and that when someone 'came out of the closet' they did their chatting-up
>>in more acceptable places, like everyone else.  Ie they no longer had
>>to meet in secret in WCs.
>
>No, it's called *cottaging*, dunno why ... but I know folk that do this,
>bifolk at that and watch out with the "repressed" bit as these folk
>*aren't* repressed.  I have no idea whether the term "closet" has any
>relationship to public lavatories or no, but I have certainly always
>considered it to have the small confining place meaning.
>

	I always assumed that 'out of the closet' was related
to the phrase 'skeletons in the closet'.  When you come out, you
bring the skeleton out of the closet, and show the world that
it isn't anything scary or awful, just part of the framework
of being a human being.

					Joy
-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:35:18 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>Well, peg? Nothing exceeds like excess, so they say. So, the Seattle orgy is
>Sandra, peg, Ellen & me so far..?

Yeah yeah yeah me me me I already *said* I wanted to collaborate XSively
as well!  Make the Seattle orgy around August and I might even have a
chance of *making* it there (oo-er) ...

>Tanaqui 

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >