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From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: A little paranoid? (Was: aids started by cia?)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:03:58 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <16ncq5INNia4@agate.berkeley.edu>, gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:
> was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or military)? A lot
> of time and money is spent on bacteriological warfare and it seems obivious
> that someone would want to test the effects of one of these diseases in the 
> outside world. AIDS primarily affects IV drug users, homosexuals, the promicous,
> the uncareful, prostitutes, and those in third world nations such as haiti and african nations. a very expendable group from their point of view. AIDS has    
> resulted in shifting people's attention from other issues unfavorable to the
> ruling class such as nuclear arms. It has also encouraged people to become more conservative in their sexual habits and helped legitmize prejudice against
> 
> seen a video that featured some scientist who explained how this is done.
> 
> -Ben
> gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu

     Hey ben, I think someone took you for a ride! Oh, BTW dont drink the 
water in berkeley the secret service tainted it. I think thats why it's
so weird over there!! 

                                                      

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Mike Marfell                                      mgm@clipper.ingr.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:43:13 GMT

djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211) writes:
: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
: >gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:
: 
: >> was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or
: >> military)? A lot of time and money is spent on bacteriological
: >>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >> warfare and it seems obivious that someone would want to test the
: >> effects of one of these diseases in the outside world.
: >>
: 
: >AIDS is caused by a virus, not a bacterium.
: 
:       They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!
:                             ^^^^^

They've fooled all of my microbiologist and virologist friends who are
working on AIDS research -- or maybe they all work for the CIA too!
Yeah, that's it, the NIH is actually part of the CIA, which is run by
the Freemasons, who really have three-stranded DNA because they are
from Pleades.

But where do Jimmy Hoffa and Marilyn Monroe fit in?

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  My vaseline is
Rosemount Inc.                                |RUNNING...
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grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Income Tax is a Fraud!
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:10:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <pkershaw-140892085641@dce.com.>, pkershaw@dce.com                 writes...
>Did you know that there is NO law that requires you to pay Income Tax?
>ThatUs right!
>INCOME TAX IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY!
> 
>"Government in a free country can only be financed through voluntary
>compliance." Fred T. Goldberg, Jr. Commissioner, IRS
> 
>Plan to attend the Tax SIG (special interest group) meeting on Monday,
>August 31st, at 7:00 P.M., at the Super 8 Motel (Speer Blvd N. exit on
>I-25) in Denver, and learn that:
> 
>  Income Tax is unconstitutional.

I hate paying Income Taxes as much as the next guy, but it isn't
unconstitutional. That's why they made the it an amendment. It was
unconstitutional until then.

>  Filing an income tax return waives your Fifth Amendment rights to not
>incriminate yourself.

Say more! Details.

>  The IRS is a private corporation, not the Federal Government. IRS agents
>arenUt government employees.

Huh?

>  Income Tax does NOT fund our government, but Constitutional taxes do
>(sales tax, tariffs, duties, etc.) Income Tax only "funds" the private FRB.

Since when?

Can you expand on these points?

Garrett@Ingres.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.po
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:08:50 GMT

rj@incam.new-orleans.la.us (Ray Jones) writes:

This dosn't belong in alt.alien.visitors either.

edit your headers, PLEASE!
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns  (Was:  Re:  A random thought)
Organization: The Cat Factory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:10:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.051358.10753@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:

}  Do you know that many more deer die of starvation in winter than
}  fall prey to hunters in many states?  

Deer survived as a species for tens of thousands of years before we began
hunting them "for their own good." Nature is red in tooth and claw and
doesn't care what PETA thinks of her methods.  The starvation is at least
partially due to hunters having wiped out all the natural predators.

}  Which would you concider more humaine, a slow death by starvation in 
}  the coldest of winter, or a quick bullet in the heart?

Famine and predators take the weakest, ultimately strengthening the herd
and the species.  Hunters take the best and strongest (trophies, more
meat), weakening the herd and the species.

Hunt if you want to, but call yourself a humane ecologist because of it
and I'll call you a hypocrite.

(Yes, I eat some meat.  I know where it comes from and I don't try to
pretend otherwise.  I certainly don't pretend the source animals have
benefited from being raised and slaughtered so I can eat them).

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
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From: rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:49:01 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <16ncq5INNia4@agate.berkeley.edu> gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:
>was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or military)? A lot
>of time and money is spent on bacteriological warfare and it seems obivious
>that someone would want to test the effects of one of these diseases in the 
>outside world. AIDS primarily affects IV drug users, homosexuals, the promicous,
>the uncareful, prostitutes, and those in third world nations such as haiti and african nations. a very expendable group from their point of view. AIDS has    
>resulted in shifting people's attention from other issues unfavorable to the
>ruling class such as nuclear arms. It has also encouraged people to become more conservative in their sexual habits and helped legitmize prejudice against
>
>seen a video that featured some scientist who explained how this is done.


	This sounds just a teensy bit paranoid, but each to his own opinion.
I'm not going to answer this, but I will add to the noise with my own story 
of how AIDS got started (or at least how its spread was greatly accellerated).

	According to my source, (who that source is, I can't for the life of
me remember, so you may treat this story like those wonderful tales that  
begin: This happened to someone my mother's friend knows...) a study was
being done in Africa on the spread of or resistance to malaria, in which
some doctor took blood from some type of monkey or ape, and then injected it
into local volunteers (or maybe they weren't volunteers?) to see if they    
became infected with malaria (I forgot to mention, the apes they drew blood   
from were infected with malaria). Since it is generally believed that AIDS
was initially spread to humans from apes, the theory here is that the 
initial transfer was at the hands of some western doctor carrying out an
experiment.

	The story then goes that a team of reserchers doing a follow-up of
the original experiment (which took place in the 1930's BTW) several years
later found many people in the area dying of what would today be diagnosed
as AIDS.

	I have severe doubts about this (and Ben Gertner's) story, but it
sounds interesting. If anyone else has heard of it, and knows its source,
please let me know.

					...Jean-Marc Rocher

"It's really the queers! They're in it with the aliens! They're building
landing strips for gay Martians!!! I swear to God!!  -DM
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From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Killing bers with handguns  (Was:  Re:  A random thought)
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:52:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug15.184411.28068@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>All this discussion about techniques for killing animals reminds
>me of George Orwell's story, "Shooting an Elephant". A masterpiece
>which conveys very well the horror and cruelty of hunting.

Shooting an animal is certainly less cruel than letting starve to
death over several months, which is often what happens when populations
are allowed to blow up, unchecked by hunting, so that the food supply
is exhausted.  Animals are not people.  As long as the animal isn't
tortured, I see no problem with hunting or using animals for human
gain.  I will oppose all efforts to ban hunting or the wise use of animals
for human gain.
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?  NOT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:07:01 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <24939@castle.ed.ac.uk> loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.195937.3544@desire.wright.edu > thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:
> >> a study was
> >> being done in Africa on the spread of or resistance to malaria, in which
> >> some doctor took blood from some type of monkey or ape, and then injected it
> >> into local volunteers (or maybe they weren't volunteers?) to see if they
> >> became infected with malaria (I forgot to mention, the apes they drew blood
> >> from were infected with malaria). Since it is generally believed that AIDS
> >> was initially spread to humans from apes, the theory here is that the
> >> initial transfer was at the hands of some western doctor carrying out an
> >> experiment.
>
>	I recall reading, a year or two ago, but never kepr the reference,
>that doctors had found traces of the AIDS virus in samples retained from
>a man who died in 1951. Anyone else recall this, and how does it affect
>the conspiracy theory?

Well, it was in the BMJ (British Medical Journal) and contained a
report of a merchant seaman who died of an unexplained immune deficiency in
the 1950's (my memory says 1956, but I don't have the article to check, so
we'll leave it...). Some virologists went back to the samples kept from
that man, to look for RNA, antigens etc. from HIV, and found them. The man had
been on a trade route from East Africa, or something like that.

Doesn't really change the conspiracy theory. If the alleged cross-species
transfer is supposed to have happened in the 1930s, there's no problem with
this man getting infected somehow in the 1940s or 1950s.

Later,

The Wisp.
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:54:52 GMT

In article <105@newave.mn.org> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:



>Can you cite any references or other proof that AIDS is caused by a virus?
>The cause of AIDS is not known.  Almost all AIDS patients also have HIV,
>but there is no proven cause-effect between HIV and AIDS.  It might just
>be that people with AIDS are very subseptible to HIV, or an HIV infection
>makes a person subseptible to whatever causes AIDS.  The very name of the
>problem should give this away: AIDS.  The S stands for syndrome, which means
>a collection of symptoms--not a single disease.  Also, HIV is not a
>virus, it is a retro-virus.  A retro-virus acts like a virus in some ways,
>but its life cycle (especially reproduction) is much more interesting.

	Another member of the Dusenberg conspiracy!  The arguments
	that Dusenberg forwards to argue against HIV as the aetiologic
	agent have generally been disproved or fall to Occams Razor.

	Retroviruses ARE viruses.  A virus is an intracellular parasite,
	and that is what HIV is.  Its not the first RNA virus to be found
	or the first retrovirus to be found.  It's life cycle isn't much
	more complex than that of a lysogenic bacteriophage.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Data Encryption
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:23:25 GMT

In article <o5aNPB1w165w@west.darkside.com> sspy@west.darkside.com (mshannon) writes:
>Can anyone offer current information on the DES, such as how secure is it
>against attack by eg the Cray C-90 or other super computers; the proposed
>NIST DSS and if they have given up on trying to get the software industry
>to accept it. Also in need of info on estimated time to break the RSA by
>various computers based on 200 to 300 bit keys and if brute force is a
>possible attack method, or does it have to be factored. Would be grateful
>for any advice.


	This should really go to sci.crypt.  I've followed this up there
	but you might want to re-post.

	There are rumours floating about that an East German group
	cracked DES several years ago.

	It's not the computer that matters, it's the cryptanalyst.
	Apparently, discarding some of the S-boxes greatly simplified
	the attack (reminds of the ENIGMA steckerboard attack).




	Alec Chambers
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:09:26 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

Robert D. Bernstein <rbernstein@igc.apc.org> writes:


>I stand corrected on the important technical points. Thanks.

>I still understand that the Scuds have no meaningful accuracy since
>they are designed to hit a random target in a rather large target area.
>And I still understand that the Patriots have a very low success
>rate at destroying the warhead of their target Scud missile. Hence they
>have no practical use in protecting civilian areas on the ground.

>I still have good reason to believe that the primary mission of Patriot
>missiles is to enhance the security of Raytheon's profits.

Of course it is. Raytheon is in the business to make money, not from altruistic
reasons. That does in no way diminish the capability of the patriot missile. 
The patriot is a very good anti-aircraft missile that has been pressed into 
service as a anti-missile missile, something it does with some success but not
enough.
I agree that against a missile such as the scud, with it's inherent bad 
accuracy the patriot can't do very much. There's one thing you're missing, 
though. It's the only missile there is that can do things like this (in the 
west, that is). And the main reason for deploying them was political. 

As for the possibilty of destroying the warhead, i don't want to comment on 
that. However, it doesn't take much to render a nuclear warhead inoperable.


--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"I've got LOT's of common sense. I just choose to ignore it." -- Calvin
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,sci.skeptic,misc.legal
From: sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries)
Subject: Re: Marilyn Monroe
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht,  The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:43:49 GMT

In <1992Aug21.015623.26998@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.211557.2331@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>>From article <1992Aug19.051348.8800@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, by dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott):
>>> I was just wondering if there is any news regarding public response
>>> to the book & Bill Bixby documentary called the "Marilyn Files."
>>>
>>> The CIA and RFK were implicated in a cover up of her death/murder.
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the likelyhood that a body exhumation or a Grand Jury hearing
>>> will take place??
>>
>>Little and none and little just caught the last train for the
>>coast.
>>
>>After 30 years, what could be determined and would there be much
>>left of the body besides the hair and skeleton?

>Them expensive polished wood coffins last a long time. Especially if the
>ground is fairly dry. What's the winter weather in LA like?

>An exhumation would establish whether the story of a snapped syringe needle
>stuck under her left breast is true or not.

As far as I know, MM wasn't burried at all. She rests in peace in one of
those 'wall cemetries'.
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Edited repost of John DINardo's Inslaw/Casolaro series (2 of 5)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:03:12 GMT


EDITORIAL NOTE - This file contains material originally posted to Usenet
by John DiNardo in 3 installments. To save space, only the first of the 3
usenet headers has been included. John's opening and closing comments 
identifying the article being transcribed and urging concerned citizens
to act have been similary edited. Note although the closing portion of 
the transcript concludes with (to be continued) John has not posted
anything more from the Village Voice article. He has posted other
transcripts relating to the Casolaro case which I have included in
other files.
                                      -Steve Crocker
                                        12/25/91

Article 5666 of alt.conspiracy:
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talk.politics.misc,soc.rights.human
From: fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613))
Subject: Re: Congressional e-mail addresses?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:24:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.225415.20430@samba.oit.unc.edu> Robert.Daniels@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Daniels) writes:
>1. Apologies to all who feel this should be in some other newsgroup.
>
>2. Do Senators and Representatives have e-mail addresses?  Does anyone
>   have a list of such?


Do you really think that anybody in Washington is intelligent enough
to use a computer?

What color is the sky in your world?


-- 
Chris Fischer (fischer@serum.clpd.KODAK.com)
They never even listen to my opinion, why would they make it policy?
"The healthy gum tissue of our liberties are being eaten away by the 
 periodontal disease of government regulation." - D.Barry
From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: INVASION!!!
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:30:34 -0500

Hello Gary!

 GS> all about the fact that the previous time I had been in Tallahassee, the
 GS> first time, I moved into an apartment which had a phone already
 GS> installed in it, which somebody had hooked up illegally...I used the
 GS> phone then to call all over the country, cause it wasn't showing up on
 GS> my bill...Then, one night, the operator caught me, and I hung up
 GS> quickly...I didn't ever use the phone again, but later on, after I left
 GS> Tally, the phone company there called all over the country to try to
 GS> find me to make me pay for the charges...They called my whole family and

...and so on...and so on...blah blah.

Keep it going, Gary!  I need a script for my next fatasy movie...and you are the
best damn ghost writer anyone could hope for (with the exception of Dan
Quayle)!!  Don't stop!  Let you mind continue to flow with that trash and forget
about taking your lithium for while.  This stuff is too good!



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