From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue (Bill ))
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.sex,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.politic
Subject: Re: GayBashing question
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

> In article <1993Jan24.235342.5141@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Li
> 
> ]As for accusing "elitist white men" of racism, discrimination and
> ]oppression... I try to avoid generalisations like that.  They take me
> ]nowhere.  And more importantly, they're just another barrier to
> ]establishing better relationships between groups.
> 
> But attacking gay bashing without simultaneously attacking all other
> kinds of bashing creates such generalizations. The whole concept of

And to avoid a group because "it takes you nowhere" is just as to ignore
that groups concerns. Why does it take you nowhere? It's part of the 
challenge to make relationships better. You must include ALL groups for
any approach to work. To ignore one vs another is the problem to begin
with. Your statement only contributes to the existing problem.

> ]
> ]sweetie?  Did a nice black girl reject your advances because you were being
> ]a slime-ball?  You seem also unaware that anti-discrimination laws work
> ]BOTH ways.  They include YOU.  You ARE protected.. but then again, you
> ]always were.  Now you think that just because others are specifically
> ]included in those laws that i) they don't apply to you anymore, and ii) the
> ]law sees them as "special" folk worthy of better treatment than you.
> ]I wonder why.
> 
> Oh boy, here we go. Now you descend quickly into nasty personal attacks.
> So much for any more logic in this thread. You must be really desperate
> to use "sweety" and "slime-ball" in the same paragraph.

Don't take the comments personal, most liberals react this way when there
a hint of irrational in their ideals.

But this descending attack is the whole point that makes the laws that are
supposed to work "BOTH ways" bogus. Yvette is only contributing to the 
problem now. Isn't it strange how a thread to help cure the problem begins
to show the real problem? Yeah, I do feel that some of the anti-discriminate
laws descriminate in themselves by giving more leverage to certain 
groups over others.  

> 
> ]
> ]>Consider also this little fact: It's a hell of a lot easier to hide the
> ]>fact that you're gay than to hide the fact that you're white.
> ]
Why should anyone hide anything. What difference does it make? So what if
I'm gay, straight, white, black, hispanic... 

> ]
> ]>You exhibit CLASSIC liberal ignorance.  This happens ALL THE TIME.  It's
> ]>just not "media-worthy" because good ole "evil white boy" got what he
> ]>deserved.  You see, how can the LIBERAL media fight for the rights of Black
> ]>and Latinos from discrimination if they actually show those same groups 
> ]>exhibiting the same racism they claim to be experiencing?  
> ]
> ]Makes me wonder why the blacks and latinos are discriminating against you
> ]to start with.  

But you're promoting the irrational thinking that you so desperately claim
you want abolished by making these statements.

> 
> WHAT THE HELL DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE "WHY"? I thought you liberals wanted
> to do away with discrimination. By your statements, it appears that you
> think it is justifiable or understandable if done by "oppressed" groups.

That's exactly the way its intended -> because to consider the
"elitist white men" in these issues "get's them nowhere".

bill

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