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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:35:04 EDT
From:         "Steven P. Roder" <TKSSTEVE@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: VMBACKUP: Large Number of Users
              29 Sep 1992 23:12:23 EST from <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:12:23 EST Phillip Paxton / IT said:
>On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:26:02 EDT Jim McIntosh said:
>
>>The  only problem  we've  encountered is  that  VMBACKUP stopped  working
>>because of a  CMS problem. The fix  was fairly quick in  coming from IBM,
>>and will be  VM53817 when released by IBM. It  replaces module DMS2TR (an
>>OCO module).
>
>This sounds vaguely like something we discussed here about six weeks ago,
>We had similar problems once we got into the 2'500+ defined user range
>(we're at about 3'400 now).  We're able to run VMBackup/E comfortably
>at about 14M but were up near 50M pre-PTF.  Another problem area would
>be if you have any CMS applications which access (+release) a large
>number of SFS directories.

....while we're discussing VMBACKUP/E and SFS, I have an open incident with
SCI were VMBACKUP hangs at job end when dumping SFS to Multiple Streams.
They have identified the problem, but don't have a fix yet.  In the mean time,
VMBACKUP gets forced/re-autologged to complete the dumps.  If it were not
for VMBACKUP's checkpoint-restart capabilities, we would never get a full
dump to multiple streams of our SFS data.


Steve Roder
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:25:30 EDT
From:         "Katherine Faella" <KMF@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Agents all used up

This semester we have started enrolling all new user accounts in the
SFS.  I have been monitoring the Maximum Agents field for our server with the
Q FILEPOOL STATUS command.  The problem I am having is that we are having
occassional times when a class of students are being taught CMS basics.
They all get on together and do every command simultaneously.  Today
this happened and all Agents for the filepool where in use.  I realize that
I can (and should) up the USERS value for this filepool.  However, I feel
that I want to be careful because most of the time we have considerably less
activity and do not come near our Max Agents value.  What really concerns
me is that when we reach the limit the entire filepool seems to go south.
At our peak today we ended up having to STOP IMMEDIATE the filepool and
relog it.  Not a nice thing to have to do.  In reading the CMS Planning and
Admin Guide I am led to believe that the filepool should continue to
function with some users being held up.  Anyone else seeing any of this?
How many resources will be wasted if I up the USERS value significantly to
cover these peak periods?  Help.  We are CMS 7.0 on ESA 1.0 (ESA Feat).
Thanks for any tips,
Katherine Faella                 Bitnet:   KMF@URIACC
Academic Computer Center         Internet: KMF@URIACC.URI.EDU
University of Rhode Island
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:26:02 EDT
From: Jim McIntosh <jim@american.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sfs-l
Subject: VMBACKUP: Large Number of Users

FYI -- in case anyone else tries to do what we did...

We moved our 2,000+ users into the SFS last spring without incident. This
fall we took advantage of one of  what we considered one of the strengths
of  the SFS  and  created accounts  for  all our  students.  This was  an
increase of some  14,000 accounts. Each of the new  accounts has one file
(a PROFILE  EXEC). We expected  some increase  in our user  workload, but
nothing we couldn't handle. We are running VM/ESA 1.1.

The  only problem  we've  encountered is  that  VMBACKUP stopped  working
because of a  CMS problem. The fix  was fairly quick in  coming from IBM,
and will be  VM53817 when released by IBM. It  replaces module DMS2TR (an
OCO module).
---
Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:18:34 EDT
From: Jim McIntosh <jim@american.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sfs-l
Subject: Re: VMBACKUP: Large Number of Users

In article <SFS-L%92093013401961@SEARN.SUNET.SE>, "Steven P. Roder"
>....while we're discussing VMBACKUP/E and SFS, I have an open incident with
>SCI were VMBACKUP hangs at job end when dumping SFS to Multiple Streams.
>They have identified the problem, but don't have a fix yet...

My operators report that since growing to 14000+ users in the SFS,
VMBACKUP takes some long pauses. When they start the daily incrimental
backup, VMBACKUP pauses for almost an hour before calling for the first
tape. I presume this is to decide what files it wants to back up. Also,
when the backup is finished, VMBACKUP pauses for another hour before
releasing the tape drives. My guess is that it's updating its catalogs.
---
Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:40:55 EDT
From:         Jane Dearing <DEARING@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Agents all used up

Boy, did you ever hit us where we live!

Just a couple of weeks ago, I had the exact same problem.  A class of
students using SDF to generate CICS maps filled a room, and it would
appear ISPF grabs an active agent and doesn't let go until the user
exits.

I couldn't diagnose the problem.  The file server wouldn't let anyone
in so I couldn't even see the filepool status.  I ended up doing an
immediate shutdown also, bringing the server back up, telling all the
students how to reconnect to their a-disk, and then realized what the
problem was.

I did increase the users value to increase the active agents, and have
a users value that exceeds what seems reasonable.  I felt it was far better
to overestimate in this area than to have to wait for the active agents
to free up.  In this case, that would have been the duration of the class.

We too are running CMS 7.  I think the fault lies in the manuals not clearly
explaining how the number of users affects the number of active agents.
When one establishes the filepool, the users value is just supposed to be
the number of connections expected.  The value I provided was very generous
if that was all it meant.  However, the active agents is only about 1/8 of
that value.  In a student lab environment, where a higher number of logons
are active than in an office environment, this 1/8 value is not high enough.

Jane Dearing
VM Technical Support
Humber College
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:41:38 EST
From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Filepool Status EXEC

I've got an EXEC which I'm willing to share /c interested parties.
SFS-STAT will produce output like the following for a given filepool
or for all known -- I had to cheat to do this and hardcoded the list
inside the EXEC.  Since it was simple to write and worked right away,
it saves a lot of time hitting the CLEAR key when performing Q FILESERV STATUS.

 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                               SFS Filepool USERPOOL:
 There are 3375 users defined.
 There are 855 defined users with 0 blocks in use.
 There are 1332 defined users with a single block - probably just PROFILE/EXEC.

 Summary of maximum limits:

    # of Users:    Max. 4k Blocks:
       3284           300
         76           600
          6           900
          6          1500
          1          1800
          2          3000

 Summary of Disk Storage:

 Type  StorGroup    Used Blocks    Free Blocks    Total Blocks   % in use
 ------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
 Catalog       1           6252           6461           12713     49.18%
 User Data     2          36160         761592          797752      4.53%

 # of 4k Blocks Committed in the User Data group:      1053000

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  phil paxton  |  ipwp400@indycms.bitnet  |  ipwp400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:12:23 EST
From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: VMBACKUP: Large Number of Users

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:26:02 EDT Jim McIntosh said:
>of  the SFS  and  created accounts  for  all our  students.  This was  an
>increase of some  14,000 accounts. Each of the new  accounts has one file
>(a PROFILE  EXEC). We expected  some increase  in our user  workload, but
>nothing we couldn't handle. We are running VM/ESA 1.1.

My manager made a suggestion for our site which was very simple and
elegant and works very well for us.  A PROFILE/EXEC used to be placed upon
the user's 191 mdisk as part of the userid generation but since SFS is
being used to save space, why not let it?  A "general" PROFILE/EXEC is
no longer created at generation time but rather the first time they log
onto the system.  Whilst it might seem like <some> overhead, it's only
done one time and if the account is never logged on, the file doesn't
collect dust.  It's also easy to quickly scan QUERY LIMITS ALL and see
how many accounts have not been used or how many have logged on but
one time and not done much since:

     PIPE
      COMMAND QUERY LIMITS ALL
    | LOCATE / 0-00% /
    | COUNT LINES
    | CONSOLE

>The  only problem  we've  encountered is  that  VMBACKUP stopped  working
>because of a  CMS problem. The fix  was fairly quick in  coming from IBM,
>and will be  VM53817 when released by IBM. It  replaces module DMS2TR (an
>OCO module).

This sounds vaguely like something we discussed here about six weeks ago,
We had similar problems once we got into the 2'500+ defined user range
(we're at about 3'400 now).  We're able to run VMBackup/E comfortably
at about 14M but were up near 50M pre-PTF.  Another problem area would
be if you have any CMS applications which access (+release) a large
number of SFS directories.

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  phil paxton  |  ipwp400@indycms.bitnet  |  ipwp400@indycms.iupui.edu
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.deaf-l
Subject: Re: ... and quality of DEAF-L newsgroup
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:01:06 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In bit.listserv.deaf-l, THESHADO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU (The Shadow) writes:
>
>The definition of a "great newsgroup" is highly subjective.  I subscribe to
>somewhere between 15 and 20 different listserv mailing lists and digested
>newsgroup (some of which are far more active than others...). 

I currently subscribe to 20-30 newsgroups, and have subscribed to at
least 50 different newsgroups over the years.  My problem is the time;
time is restricting me to just 20-30 newsgroups for now.

%All of the lists that I enjoy most and that I get the most out of are 
%those that aren't moderated.....

That's interesting - the newsgroups that I enjoy the most are moderated,
or are "self-moderating."  The newsgroups that are not moderated waste
my time because of the repetitive text, subjects wandering outside the
scope of the newsgroup, etc.  When I say "self-moderating," I mean that 
the subscribers do get on anyone who deviate from the subject.

>>There's a big difference between moderation and censorship.  Try looking
>>at some great newsgroups.
>
>Care to give some examples of these "great newsgroups?"

sci.military.science
rec.sports.basketball.college
rec.sports.basketball.pro
rec.sports.football.college
rec.sports.football.pro
rec.disney
rec.aviation
rec.aeronautics
sci.engineering
sci.physics

Just to name few.  In the above newsgroups everyone stays strictly on
the subject.  Anytime anyone deviates from the subject he is reminded.

sci.military.sci is an excellent example of how a moderator keeps the
newsgroup under control within rules.  This newsgroup covers a wide 
range of military subjects, including all wars in the history of mankind, 
all kinds of weapons known to man, etc., and is participated by many,
many people knowledgeable in all aspect of this subject.  This is an
enormous newsgroup that can easily go out of control, but it has been
effectively managed by the moderator.  No repetive text, no pointless
debates, etc.

By comparison, DEAF-L is a little newsgroup or whatever it is called. 
DEAF-L has become a place for some people to bring up some subjects
that are not really appropriate for DEAF-L.  I want to see DEAF-L stay
on the subject of deafness.

I have noticed that while some people have great subject to discuss
or valid points to bring up, they are often drowned in the sea of
repetitive text, meaningless postings, etc.  Please, no more lengthy
speeches; just get to the point with as few words as possible.

This is what I am complaining about.  It is just a big waste of my time
having to go through all of the garbage just to get to the good parts.


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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:46:40 EDT
From:         "Joseph P. Riolo" <riolo@COR4.PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: credit where credit is due

Lew,

       After reading the past posts, I feel a little guilty for starting
the discussion that is more childish than many other discussions in the
past.  So, let me go back and try again.

       My observation (or opinion) is one can not progress in his/her
life without taking energy/work/help from other people.  That is the
purpose of a society - to foster the interdependency among people.

       Your life obviously could not happen without people exerting
energy on training, raising, encouraging, supporting, so on you all
through your life.  Also, how much you can progress in your life
depends on how much you can receive from people around you.

       My objection to your earlier post (the one that you wrote briefly
about your life) was that you sounded like that you did all of the
things without giving credit to people around you.  But, this was
no longer true after you answered to my objection.

       Other reason for objecting is that you sounded like that as long
as you have the appropriate skills, you can succeed.  My argument is
that you can not do it until you develop interdependence relationship
with people around you.  How you develop it is where we disagree, I
think.

       I will go back over the posts and see where I have to make
comments.

                                        Joseph P. Riolo
                                        <riolo@pica.army.mil>
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:28:24 EDT
From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: TTY
              01 Oct 92 19:07:19 -0400. <9210061508.AA20332@Athena.MIT.EDU>

In response to your inquiry about a PC communicating with a TTY: There are
devices available for your PC to make it TTY compatible. I dont have an
address or phone number off hand, but if you have the blue TTY directory look
for a Ken Glicksman in Maryland. He produces software that runs on a PC
and he sells hardware to go with it that can let you use your PC as a
TTY with all the power of an IBM (i.e. phone books, answering machines,
programming...etc...)

Adam Skwersky
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From: mcke@unixg.ubc.ca (William McKellin )
Subject: Re: parental motivation
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:27:15 GMT

It is an oversimplification to assume that hearing parents just attempt to
reproduce children with the same language skills as themselves. As
both a parent of a hearing impaired daughter and an anthropologist who
has interviewed many parents on the subject, I have found that parents
are primarily concerned with maintaining the family's social
relations. Parents who choose oral do so to interact with their child.
they may fear their inability to learn sign. Hearing parents who use
TC or signing also make their decision to establish bonds betweeen
themselves and their child without waiting for the child to (perhaps)
develop oral skills. 

	A second concern is access to programs. Parents
in urban areas can frequently choose among options, while those in
rural areas may be forced to make do with what is available or move.

	Also, most parents of children with hearing losses have little
experience with hearing impairment and deafness. Like people in other
situations, they choose options which are familiar. In many cases this
meant that parents selected oral programs, but in some of my
interviews I found that parent selected programs because they were
familiar in other ways - located in a school which was known to them,
a program run by a religious group, etc.   

	It is time to forget about the bald generalizations an
remember that each set of parents is making a decision about a
particular child with particular characteristics.


Bill McKellin                             mcke@unixg.ubc.ca
Department of Anthropology and Sociology
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, B.C. 
V6T 1Z1 
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:12:45 EST
From:         "Capt. Regis" <CA38%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      LGB language - and quality of DE AF-L newsgroup

> i think it's relevant as far as labels are concerned.
> if you don't like it, put it in your killfile and stop
> wasting bandwidth complaining.
>
> -teddy
HEY TEDDY  WHAT ABOUT YOU??   SHOULD U STAY OUT OF THIS ISSUE?
OR SHOULD YOU BEHEAD AND TRASH IT IN ENGLAND??
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:25:09 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: Vounteering to firefighting etc.

Concerning jobs which appear to have hearing as an essential element:
While I am sure that there are exactly zero (or one) deaf phone exchange
operator in the world, there are other jobs which appear to require
hearing for their performance.
There was (if I remember correctly) a deaf soldier in the American civil
war of 1861-1865.  But usually being combat soldier requires hearing to
hear the commander's orders and nowadays - to use radio etc.  I assumed
that also other jobs are of similar nature.  Such as being M.D., policeman
or firefighter or truck driver.  And I am sure that some people out in the
hearing world would classify engineering in the same vein because engineers
have to participate so often in meetings and be in contact with so many
other people during the course of their jobs.

Since people tell DEAF-L that there is such a thing as a deaf firefighter,
I'm asking them to continue and share with us their experiences - when is
hearing *really* needed and how much and how they coped with the situation.

I recall a discussion with a deaf friend about one of his friends.  The
subject of our discussion died shortly before our discussion.  The subject
was a deaf M.D. (and he was no Lew Golan - he came to deaf events and had
deaf friend/s even though he married an hearing woman (and divorced her)).
My friend told me that the guy practiced his profession in a limited way - he
was eye specialist and made his diagnoses using some sort of equipment.
My friend then told me that in general he doesn't think that medicine is
a profession for the deaf.  I am telling you all this so that you can give
me successful counterexamples if there are any.

Those of you who attended the Congress of the hard-of-hearing in Jerusalem
last summer may have attended a lecture by Dr. Daniella Gabizon, who is
deafened adult, and who is continuing her practice in medicine.  However
her situation (like of the aforementioned guy) may be easier than that of
general practitioner - she works with patients who have kidney trouble and
undergo dialysis by means of artificial kidneys.  Such patients tend to
form relationships which are several years long so the effort of learning to
deal with a deaf doctor (and with a new patient) is not as large over the
long run.
                                           --- Omer
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:19:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      RE:Biography

        Welcome Mark Hunt from me and {I hope} everyone on
        DEAF-L.  You'll find it interesting.  Keep up those
        ASL lessons....I've found them a continuous learning
        process for me.

                                Later,
                                Steven Conlee
                                CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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