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From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:52:28 GMT

edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:



>What I'm saying is that it is pure over-reaction to make every negative
>thing that transpires between different races a "racially motivated" incidence.


I completely agree with you, venus. In fact many of my earlier articles
had that sentence as a thesis statement.



>When I'm driving and a white man cuts me off, my anger isnt racially 
>motivated.  Is he racially motivated to cut me off in the first place? I
>doubt it!  It is simply a case of a man (who happened to be white) cut me off
>and I'm pissed about it. No racial motivation here.


Good example, and I agree. Racism is often over credited.

But what if the man cut you off in traffic and then called you "Black
Bitch....$#@ *&!!"
Remember all of the details in the example I gave?


>I'm not so sure that I wouldnt rob someone myself, if I ever became desperate
>enough. But that would have to be REALLY DESPERATE.


I don't believe you would ever do such a thing. You seem too nice and
intelligent.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:22:43 GMT

This is in reply to carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll), who wrote:
:
:Your analysis is flawed. Movie budgets are measured in gross / cost,
:not the absolute cost of making it. For instance, Terminator II was
:able to spend $100 million because the gross receipts were expected to
:exceed $1,000 million (G/C of 10). Similarly for Batman Returns. A
:gross of $300 - $400 million for "League of Our Own" would not be an
:unreasonable expectation.  While it may be true that Lee's movie will
:be the "most important African American film ever made", it's not
:clear that that will translate into large gross receipts.
:

The man has a point here.  Not one of Spike Lee's movies has been a
big moneymaker, which may account for the low budgets.  _New Jack City,_
for instance, handily outearned _Jungle Fever_ last year.

Still, think about it.  The Autobiography of Malcolm X *not* making
big money?  Spike knows this kind of thing can catapult him into the
upper eschelon of directors like Oliver Stone and ... uh, whoever
does Arnold's stuff.

And when high, high visibility African Americans are out there raising
money so you can finish your movie ... well, if I'm the film company,
I start to wonder what my threshold of shame is.


-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Sep 92 17:18:52 GMT

heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.000607.15860@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>>.
>>There is a new book out, which was reviewed in this past Sunday's
>>S.F. Chronicle which may knock some teeth out. Tomorrow I'll bring
>>it over and put said information on line.  This new book about
>>Malcolm says, among other things, that while Malcolm was in his pimp
>>period, he also hired himself to some well-to-do to rich white guys
>>as a male prostitute.  A couple of names are named.

I would like to know who this writer is. The guy would have to have a
lot of credibility for me to buy into this, although people in the life
can and will do anything to survive in their insular and peculiarly
nihilistic world and many of them are in fact pansexual.

>Gee. I wonder if Lee would have the balls to put THAT in his movie.  I
>mean Malcom has been adopted by young black men as a sort of positive
>image of black male machismo.  I'm sure the thought of his hero ever
>having a moment of tenderness with another man, beyond the sporting
>bunch in the arm or the awkward hug, would almost kill Lee, not to
>mention a lot of other young men who idolize Malcolm.

Whatever the truth of this allegation, by the time he entered public life
as a minister of the Nation of Islam, Malcolm *was* the seminal blackman
and was *not* the depraved Detroit Red.

>As for me, well...if its true then OK.  I'm willing to bet that even
>those experiences didn't do much for Malcolm's views of gays after his
>conversion. Conversion has a wonderful way of wiping the slate clean,
>doesn't it?

Understand that homosexuality is explicitly prohibited by the Quran.
Al Hajj Malik Shabazz was a Muslim who believed la ilaha il Allah
(there is no God but Allah) and Muhammedan Rasullulah (Muhammed is
the Messenger of Allah), not to mention the Angels, the Prophets,
the Quran, the Last Day...and that trangressors will be roasted
at hellfire.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: *Need Help with Blak History Month!!* (am I alone??)
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:40:32 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Aug18.103252.3060@memstvx1.memst.edu>, mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 
> Hello Everyone!!
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted anything, but I would REALLY like to get
> some input:
> 
> I've just been appointed as Co-Chairperson of the 1993 Black History Month
> at Memphis State University and I was wondering if anyone out there could
> suggest some ideas for programs, speakers (as dynamic as possible), or
> functions to bring our campus together for the month of February.
> 
> I understand that I'm getting started kinda late, but I was JUST appointed and
> I want this to be the best Black History Month celebration that this campus has
> EVER seen!! I graduate in December, but I'll be here for the festivities to
> make sure things run smoothly.  Yeah, I'm psyched up!!:-)  
> 
> Anyway, if any of you have ANY ideas whatsoever, they will be greatly
> appreciated and I will be sure to acknowledge those who helped me by listing
> your names in a BHM booklet I plan to get underway ASAP, telling about what 
> we're doing and our plans for February.  
> 
> Thanks again and you can just reply to me at the e-mail address listed in the
> subject line.
> 
> Let the responses BEGIN!!!! :-)
> 
> Tundrea R. Newton
> MCSNEWTON@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
> Memphis State University
> Senior '92 (finally!!)


********************************************************************************

Maybe it's just me, but why is it that since the initial posting of this
message, I have only gotten 2, yes 2 responses??  I was under the impression
that S.C.A.A. was here so that we could help each other out.  

Maybe I was wrong when I actually thought that my own would want to assist me
in a celebration that is aimed at displaying the triumphs and history of OUR
people...maybe I just don't have a clue!

Well, ANYWAY, I'm at the same e-mail address if anyone else has any ideas,
responses, and/or brainstorms.  

Thanks anyway, folks!!

Tundrea Newton
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:41:13 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <YeceZ4m00UhWM7nVsE@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 29-Aug-92 Re: Johns
>vs. Carpenter by Dowdy Jackson@tochtli.bi 
>
> I agree with her that black women SHOULD
>> be with a black man.

Uh. Any black woman should be with someone she wants to be with, who
loves and respects her, regardless of race or anything else. 

>As do I.
>
> Despite what the media says about us black men, we are
>> nothing without a strong black woman by our sides.

Uh. Once again a sweeping generalization.  Couldn't let it pass.  

Just for the record, here is one brother who would welcome the chance
to have a strong black MAN by his side.

>I think this is stretching and maybe its the problem.  We're something
>regardless of who stands with us or against us.

This I can definitely get into.




-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: MLK & U-2 & Disposable Heroes of Hip.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.000806.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>,
mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
>
>      I'd like to hear some opinions.  Do people think MLK is just out of
>style now, but his message will endure?  What about all those young white
>people cheering him?
.
.
Some whites assume black looks (dreads, hip-hop, etc.) without
changing one iota their minds about black people. They'll
expropriate our culture without appreciating us, the makers and the
creators.
.
I think MLK is still important and relevant.  It may be a style to
the young ones in the stadium.  Apparently, he means more than just
a look to you.  I say, start reading some of the biographies on him,
and appreciating where he came from--black folk.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9091 misc.headlines:6088
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:23 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug29.203021.15036@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath), who wrote:
>:
>:Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>:Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>:in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 
>:
>:If I want to know something about Malcolm X, I'll read the
>:autobiography or his speeches.  
>:
>Well, when you read the Autobiography, I hope you're a little more
>forgiving of Malcolm's categorizations of men's and women's roles.
>It was strict and even one might say old-fashioned, but at the time
>he felt the discipline was absolutely necessary.

I've read only the first chapter or two of the autobiography (I
checked in out of the library, and haven't had time to return to
reading it yet), and I already braced myself to find out what (if any)
were Malcom's veiws on gays.  I expect them, if expressed in the
autobiography, not to be anywhere near progressive, even after his
hajj. 

I've learned that even those black men who try to create a world where
"all men" are free usually mean all men except me.

>Unlike Spike, Malcolm appeared to be a man in perpetual transition
>and change, someone willing to amend or even rescind old views.  Not
>that you should read into what he does or doesn't say just any old
>thing (and don't assume he legitimizes *your* point of view).  But
>he was not an absolutist, he was the product of his age in many
>ways.  
>
>(Will we all be saying such nice things about Spike Lee in 30 years?)

If Mr. Lee ever recinds some of his views, etc., I'll happily say
nice things about him.  Until such a time.....



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Republican conven
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:54:45 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <3148.117.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) writes:
>Hi!
>
>TH>Anyway. This whole election year bit is sending mutliple chills down
>TH>my spine. Part of me just really want to back up and bug outta this
>TH>country and let the bastards have it.
>
>Oh, dear! *I* was considering to leave Germany because of the growing
>xenophobia and hostility to all not-Aryan looking and settle down here
>(California, SF :-) ).
>But after the bu'sh-it of the GOP...
>Well, Terrance, don't move to Germany. Where would you want to go?
>

Well, I hear that Denmark recognizes gay marriages, so I put that on
my list of places to which I might expatriate.  However, being black,
I'd be something of an "exotic", still.  Then again, the Danes might
turn out to be more progressive than I imagined.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:43:50 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug30.025011.17709@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.155006.29834@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>
>>Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>>Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>>in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 
>>
>>If I want to know something about Malcolm X, I'll read the
>>autobiography or his speeches.  
>>
>>-- 
>>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>>			-Joseph Beam_
>>Terrance Heath 
>>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
>
>Spike Lee hates 'em, Malcolm X couldn't care for 'em. And I'd like to beat
>one up. 

	I was gonna let this one go, but then I thought it would be at
least sportsman-like to give you a little advice. A lot of "us",
myself included, are learning self defense. So don't go off
half-cocked, or you just might get hurt. And we wouldn't want
that..would we?


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:33:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.weav9mG00Uh_83XHl5
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 19-Aug-92 Johns vs.
Carpenter by Gabrielle Daniels@forsyt 
> in such a fashion that has nothing to do with courtship, seduction,
> or anything remotely connected with love or genuine attraction.  Its
> as though Gwens sexuality is some kind of freak trophy for white
> guys to become men.  Rednecks and educated white guys alike:  they
> would cut off her head to mess with her body.  They dont want to see
> that black women have eyes, or a mind.  Thats a phony standard for
> masculinity, just like brothers who think theyre not men until
> theyve had a white woman.  This mindset is straight outta the
> plantation...which is why many black women dont even want to think
> about even flirting with a white guy.  As my mother and grandmother
> indicated to me, Theyre nasty.  And Im sure Im not alone in how Ive
> been inculcated with that warning.  Many white guys think that black
> women are just casual, accessible recreation; they can just hike up
> their pants and go about their business.  Forget taking her home to
> Mom.  Hes just doing his dirt on her.  Sounds wiping a dick with a
> towel.  Thats why most black women will stick like glue to the
> brothers REGARDLESS.

Uh,... I may be a little late to get involved in this tete a tete
but,...uh... are you aware that this is pretty much how a great number
of young men (for lack of a better term) feel about women today,
regardless of color?

"Do me baby" (BBD), Ootchie Cootchie (Mc Brains), "Don't bite it"
(NWA)... all black artists.

Lest you think that such banter is confined solely to the ravings of
questionably talented "musicians," I would advise you to sit in on any
group of brothers in the twenty-something range and listen.  The
conversation often drifts to women and some very UNFLATTERING views
concerning them.  

The point?  Sexism is by no means confined to white males... in fact, I
know several brothers whose behavior is nothing short of... well, YOU
fill in the blank.

While sexism and comments from white males (conjuring up images of the
slave owner's son who would rape as he pleased and the black woman as a
seductive "Jezebel" may seem more offensive, I fail to see why a Black
woman would differentiate between white men who see her as a sexual
animal and black men who see her in a similar vein.  Trust me, you're
fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

DCAL
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:12:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <stovall.715454332@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep2.000607.15860@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>
>>>.
>>>There is a new book out, which was reviewed in this past Sunday's
>>>S.F. Chronicle which may knock some teeth out. Tomorrow I'll bring
>>>it over and put said information on line.  This new book about
>>>Malcolm says, among other things, that while Malcolm was in his pimp
>>>period, he also hired himself to some well-to-do to rich white guys
>>>as a male prostitute.  A couple of names are named.
>
>I would like to know who this writer is. The guy would have to have a
>lot of credibility for me to buy into this, although people in the life
>can and will do anything to survive in their insular and peculiarly
>nihilistic world and many of them are in fact pansexual.

	I'll wait, too, until I can find out more about the writer and
his sources, but the story itself is not all that difficult to
believe. In fact, I don't find it all that disturbing either, but then
I suppose I wouldn't.

>>Gee. I wonder if Lee would have the balls to put THAT in his movie.  I
>>mean Malcom has been adopted by young black men as a sort of positive
>>image of black male machismo.  I'm sure the thought of his hero ever
>>having a moment of tenderness with another man, beyond the sporting
>>bunch in the arm or the awkward hug, would almost kill Lee, not to
>>mention a lot of other young men who idolize Malcolm.
>
>Whatever the truth of this allegation, by the time he entered public life
>as a minister of the Nation of Islam, Malcolm *was* the seminal blackman
>and was *not* the depraved Detroit Red.

	And of course the "seminal black man" enters sans homosexual
desire.

>>As for me, well...if its true then OK.  I'm willing to bet that even
>>those experiences didn't do much for Malcolm's views of gays after his
>>conversion. Conversion has a wonderful way of wiping the slate clean,
>>doesn't it?
>
>Understand that homosexuality is explicitly prohibited by the Quran.
>Al Hajj Malik Shabazz was a Muslim who believed la ilaha il Allah
>(there is no God but Allah) and Muhammedan Rasullulah (Muhammed is
>the Messenger of Allah), not to mention the Angels, the Prophets,
>the Quran, the Last Day...and that trangressors will be roasted
>at hellfire.

Yes, and I also understand that the Quran explicitly calls for the
death penalty for folk like me (there I go again, taking it personal).
But then again, so does the Bible.

So much for Love and Happiness.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:38:04 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department


In a move that even outraged a woman Holy Ghost preacher I listened to
this morning, LA DA Ira Reiner removed the black judge who was scheduled
to preside over the 8-Trey/Reginald Denny trial. The reasons given were
pretty lame: 1) Judge Dorn was not a "long-cause judge" and therefore
couldn't devote exclusive attention to the case 2) Judge Dorn's court-
room didn't have the desired security enhancements 3) Judge Dorn had
a history of "temperamental" clashes with prosecutors. Of course, race
had nothing to do with it :-)

Judge Dorn called a press conference to castigate DA Reiner, and was
backed up by his supervisor, who called him one of the top judges in
the city. Damian Williams momma likewise called for Reiner's head.
Yolanda Madison, the most visible African American student at UCLA,
was quoted as saying "If they get convicted, I suggest that people
burn the city down." Ooh-wee, baby.

Seeing as how convictions in the Rodney King federal civil rights
case are going to be hard to come by (intent to deprive has to be
proven), the go-down may yet go down one mo time.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:07:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.011853.1@auvax1> schmidt@auvax1 writes:
>In article <Bt1JGJ.Cu5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>> In article <36733@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>>>There's really a continuum of dialects ranging from "Plantation
>>>Creole" to just a hint of an accent attached to Standard American
>>>English.  And a lot of people are not stuck at one particular point on
>>>that continuum, but can slide in one direction or another as the
>>>situation warrants.
>> 
>> 	Isn't there some influence from African languages? I know of a few
>> words which are still used in the Caribbean (mainly food dishes) that
>> are African. There is also a strong European influence. For example, some
>> Caribbean islands that were colonised by the British inherited various 
>> distinct dialects from England, Ireland Scotland and Wales, depending on
>> the plantation owners.
>
>The word "juke box" comes from "ju ju" and similar words in several West
>African languages.  The Gullah (see below) refer to a dance hall as a "juke",
>so the box which made the music in the juke was the juke box.  My Senegalese
>friends tell me the phrase "wow" comes directly from the Wolof with exactly the
>same meaning, although a book on origins of words in our library says it is
>Scotch, but obsolete.  The truth is probably some combination.  Also, for
>those who may have heard the Anancy the Spider folktales, Anancy means spider
>in Asante and other Akan languages, and the folktales are told there too.
>
>A couple of other interesting tidbits.. Pickininy (sp?) means "child" in, not
>any African language, but guess what: Portugese!!  Gee, I wonder how that got
>into the Patois??  Also, the word Jumbo comes from the name of the first
>African elephant brought to the USA (by P. T. Barnum, I think)  He brought it
>here from England, And I'm sure the name has African roots, but probably
>doesn't mean "big".  

Yes, I am not surprised. The Portuguese were among the first Europeans
to reach the West coast of Africa. A patois was developed there, called
Krio from the Yoruba word "akiriyo" as a trade language between the
Africans and Europeans. This language was then exported to the West
Indies with the advent of the Transatlantic Slave Trade. That is why up
to this day, in my home country Sierra leone where krio is the lingua
franca, we say "pekin" which means child, and in Jamaica the word is
"pekininy" with the same meaning. It is relly fascinating to compare Krio
with Jamaican patois.



Femi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american