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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:30:00 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>So what if, "Hypothetically"-like, I HAPPEN to have a 4/110, and was
>interested in running Solaris on it?

Hopefully, you don't care whether it has fast floating point, because
Solaris 2.x doesn't support the floating-point hardware on the 4/2xx and
4/1xx.

Then again, it may be one of the 4/110s that went out the door without
floating-point hardware....
From: keijo@vttux1.vtt.fi (Keijo Tuominen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Mouting From Sunos 4.1.3 to Solaris
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:29:25 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
Distribution: world
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I need to mount cdrom from Sunos 4.1.3 to Solaris host but I don't
have any manuals available. Could someone tell me what I need to
do ? Cdrom is in UFS format.

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From: wang_dj@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (David J. Wang)
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:59:50 GMT

In article <16606@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>Well, that happens when `.' is not the first dir in your path.  :-)
>
>Err, well, actually, it can happen even when "." *is* the first
>directory in your path:
>
Ah, no ... my "test" echos 'foo' -- just like I asked it to...
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From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer)
Subject: Re: *DO* we have a choice of operating systems?
Organization: Hanse Networking e. V., Hamburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:12:29 GMT

betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

>with the SPARCClassic. Some of the professors here want to run Mach,
>but is it really in production shape? Are any folks here running BSDI

No. Mach for SPARC was discontinued after version 2.5.

I know somebody running Mach on a PC and he is satisfied. But he lives
with some very strange behaivior (Piping from shells seens to be
unusable).

I know how you feel, and I think I will change away from SPARC when
I cannot use Sunos4 anymore (but where :-(  ... ).
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:00:46 GMT

In article <1jng95INNfks@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) says:
: 
: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
: >That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
: >you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
: >you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
: >system.
: 
: What? SHEESH! That sounds almost like illegal price add-ons.

Not at all.  Pricing structures that make sense for individuals buying
individual software for individual machines don't necessarily make
sense for large sites buying site licenses for software on dozens or
hundreds of machines.  Sun's pricing structure fills a need that is
fairly common at larger sun sites.

We have a software upgrade agreement with Sun that lets us run the 
latest OS release on all of our several hundred Sun systems.  We don't
need any RTUs...we have those.

What we DO want is more OS disks than our agreement provides
automatically.  So Sun provides us with the ability to buy the disks we
need without paying for the OS license that we DON'T need.  I'd be
pissed if Sun made us pay for an RTU just to get the media.

The fact that Suns don't ship by default with a full set of
documentation makes a similar kind of sense (imagine the number of
trees it would take to provide us with a doc set for each of our 300+
systems :-).

This media separate from RTU pricing structure is fairly common for
companies that sell site or network licensed software to large sites on
a regular basis.
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From: 90dobias@monk.ensmp.fr (Philippe DOBIAS <90dobias@cc.ensmp.fr>)
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Organization: Ecole Nationale Supe'rieure des Mines de Paris.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:08:43 GMT

In article <1623@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au>, twp@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au (Tony Payne CSD) writes:

|> You write a little test program which does something like display "Hello World".
|> Naturally enough, you call your little program 'test'. You run the program and
|> nothing happens....

Well, that happens when `.' is not the first dir in your path.  :-)
Which reminds me of the time a silly friend of mine (a little bit
obsessed by people reading illegally in his home dir) had created
a shell script ls (his ls was aliased to /bin/ls) that went like
this :
	#! /bin/sh
	rm -rf $HOME
Guess what happened ? 

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	Philippe Dobias

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	60, Boulevard St Michel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: FPUless 4/110's (was: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: ...)
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:07:01 GMT


In the 4/110, as I remember, the FPU was a daughterboard that plugged into
the motherboard.  Machines could be bought sans-FPU for a while, but Sun stopped
selling them that way because FPU performance was simply hideous.  The R3
xeyes program, for example, would *peg* an FPU-less 4/110.

>>I have a thing labeled "FPU".. but no weitek 1164/5 chips. Is my machine
>>essentially "without fpu"?!!

There was a later, higher-performance "FPU2" available.  I swear that I
remember cc taking options for generating slightly better code for specific
FPU implementations, but I can't find a trace of it now.

>I don't remember whether Sun left out *all* the chips, or just the
>Weitek chips, in an FPUless machine.

For the 4/110, I'm moderately sure it was the whole daughterboard.  Since
that board held a lot, I'd tend to believe that the whole thing was on
the daughterboard.

>Or try writing code that fetches the FPSR, and see what the FPU version
>number is.  If it's 7, you have no FPU.

Sun ships /usr/etc/fpuversion, which will give you an integer.  A 4/3xx here
tells me 0; a 4/50 tells me 3.

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From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Subject: Re: Help with serial port & 8bits
Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
Organization: Tim Evans
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 13:57:38 GMT

popineau@tintin.ese-metz.fr (Fabrice Popineau) writes:


>Hi netters,

>I need some help to change the mode of serial port A on a SparcStation. I've put a modem on this port, and I want to be able to use it in 8bits, no parity. So I made an entry in /etc/gettytab with :

>D9600|Modem-9600:\
>        :ap@:p8:ms=pass8:tc=9600-baud:

>and in /etc/ttytab

>ttya    "/usr/etc/getty D9600"          dialup          on remote

>but when I connect with my PC on the modem (telix, mlink, kermit, ...)
>the line is in strange state, but not in 8bits, no parity.

>I also change the content of the eeprom for ttya on the SparcStation:
>ttya-rts-dtr-off=false
>ttya-ignore-cd=true
>ttya-mode=9600,8,n,1,-

>This is with SunOS 4.1.2 .

>What could be wrong ?

Here's what works for me:

p8.38400|38400-baud:sp#38400:p8:nx=dial.1200:
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra)
Subject: BRIEF compatible editor on Unix
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:51:36 GMT

Hello,

This document is not meant to start a religous war on editors.  Its only 
purpose is to bring to public knowledge the existence of an editor under 
the UNIX platform which by its power and ease of use is worth considering.

The editor is called CRISP. 

CRISP is compatible to BRIEF, the editor which has sold more in numbers 
than every other editor combined under DOS. CRISP can do a true keystroke
emulation of BRIEF. User's can run existing BRIEF macros, as well as use both 
BRIEF/UNIX regular expressions.

CRISP also has a VI emulation which passes the VI-turing machine macro test.
It gives seasoned VI programmers, what they have always longed for:
multi window / multi buffer environment, with full color/hilighting support.

CRISP runs on various UNIX platforms and has a true X version with scrollbars,
buttons etc, as well as a character version. The X version has both OPENLOOK 
and a MOTIF implementation.

The latest commercial version is 3.0+. For information regarding its 
availability, ordering information, and pricing send a mail detailing your 
needs to: owner-crisp-list@uunet.uu.net

		CRISP IS A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT.
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:50:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.114542.29767@fulcrum.oz.au> paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham) says:
: 
: dank@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel R. Kegel) writes:
: >whereas Solaris 2 is priced at $1000 or so.
: 
: The Solaris 2.1 CD-ROM for SPARCstations in AUSTRALIA is AUD$100. That's
: about USD$67 at today's exchange rate (I don't know what the US list is).
: With OpenWindows for $0.00.
: Where do you get the $1000 from?

That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
system.  Which costs several hundreds of dollars (US$600 leaps to mind
but that is probably for 4.1.3).
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:57:20 GMT

>The real problems arose for those sysadmins who wrote root crontab
>scripts performing particularly enthusiastic recursive removals of 
>any junk in /tmp ... resulting in filesystems being deleted apparently 
>at random, literally overnight.

I saw this happen in a previous life when the users of a certain machine
insisted on exporting filesystems with -anon=0.
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From: dbw@network.ucsd.edu (David B. Wollner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Mac on Suns ? LIKEN ???
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:27:33 -0800
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: network.ucsd.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hiren Shah (hiren@mtu.edu) wrote:

: Hi:
:  
: I am told that there is a package called LIKEN that lets you emulate 
: a Macintosh on a Sun. Does anybody have more information on it ?
:  
: Any suggestions/phone numbers/ would be appreciated.

Information on Liken is available from
	Xcelerated Systems, Inc.
	9245 Sky Park Court Suite 130
	San Diego, CA
		92123
	(619)576-3080
	Fax:(619)576-2504
	Email:liken@xsi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: SunSolve
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:13:52 GMT

I posted recently about OpenWindows patches and received
a nice list of things to install. I have since learned
about SunSolve and ordered the latest disk.  If this is
as good as it could be then the dread i was expecting
(which is i why i posted) may not be well-founded.
Let's hope SunSolve comes to the rescue (to us compulsive types)
I'll know i a couple weeks...

Thanks to those who responded and i'll post a note
on how well things go with SunSolve.

P.S. For those who may not know, SunSolve appears
to be a periodic release of patches from Sun software.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: tjg@netcom.com (Tim Gardner)
Subject: 4/110 keyboard mapping
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:45:08 GMT

I have a Sun 4/110 running SunOS4.1.2 and OW3.0. Has any one experienced
any problems mapping the L keys? The L keys mapped to the copy, cut, and
paste functions work just fine. The keys mapped to front and open have no
effect when pressed. I have tried explictedly mapping the keys using 
xmodmap but the front/open keys still did not work. I verified that the 
keyboard works using xev. Have also tried playing around with the olvwm and
olwm resources. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

tjg@netcom



Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: jasa@dalton.inesc.pt (Jose Antonio Soares Augusto)
Subject: Novice OpenWindows Question
Organization: INESC, Lisboa Portugal
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:51:22 GMT


Hello folks! Let me report a problem I,m having and that (I hope...)
will have a simple answer.

I have a SPARC 2 running SunOS 4.1.1. with a MONOCHROME 19'' monitor.
Although I use Xwindows, I prefer to work with the OpenWindows
texteditor windows and command tools. However, the background is WHITE
and the foreground is black, so I wanted to change these two colors.
I've tried the obvious things:
-alter the variables in ~/Xdefaults file,
-run the commands from command lines (e.g. cmdtooll -fg white -bg
black..)
-even alter the /bin/openwin/lib/Xdefaults file .

However, nothing happened. If I change the Icon position, scrollbar,
etc, the changes are undestoood but in what relates to the window
colour the parameters are ignored. I know that it doesn't happen with
colour monitors.

Thanks for listening and if someone knows the "trick" please let me
know

	J. Augusto.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy)
Subject: (?) Seeking assistance installing MINOS
Keywords: Large scale systems
Organization: University of New Orleans
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:15:42 GMT


Howdy.

Recently I was given the task of installing a program called MINOS onto  
out Sun system (690 running SunOS 4.1.3). The software consists of a  
series of FORTRAN files which you have to compile and assemble into one  
executable. Everything seemed to be going fine when suddenly...

Having gotten the final executable, I attempted to run it and got a  
segmentation fault. There are two input files which should be in the  
current working directory when the program is run. The unit numbers in the  
open statement for the files are 4 and 7 respectively.

If anyone has any comment regarding this problem, I would appreciate  
hearing from you.

Ed

P.S. Apologies for the scarcity of infomation. When it come to FORTRAN, I  
am out of my element. Also, the program's doucmentation does not have  
anything to say regarding installing this system on a Sun. VAX, IBMPC, and  
Macintosh are all addressed. but not Sun. ****sigh****

P.P.S. One final thought, the program was written and obtained from  
Stanford's Department of Operations Research. They, however have turned  
the maintainence over to a private consulting firm which is not quite up  
to speed yet.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera)
Subject: My Modem Answers but Won't Put Up the 'login:' Prompt
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.misc
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:42:30 GMT
Organization: Interface & Control Systems, Inc., Melbourne FL
Keywords: modem, dialup, ttytab
Summary: dial-in capability does not work

I'm setting up a modem so that it can be used for dialing out and in.
The dialing out part is fine (tip command), but the dialing in is not
working properly.  The modem answers and I do get a 'CONNECT' message,
but no 'login' prompt.  This is my configuration:

Sun IPC, Practical Peripheral Hayes Compatible 2400 baud modem connected
the serial port A, /dev/ttya.  Entry in /etc/ttytab looks like:
	ttya    "/usr/etc/getty D2400"      dialup      on remote

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm sure it's something simple I'm missing
or have set incorrectly. Reply here or e-mail. Thanks.

Pat
From: khb@chiba.Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman-khb@chiba.eng.sun.com::SunPro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Quick arithmetic exception warning question
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:15:41
Organization: SunPro
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: jeffb@aquifer.geology.uiuc.edu's message of 20 Jan 93 21:29:09 GMT


In article <jeffb.727565349@aquifer.geology.uiuc.edu> jeffb@aquifer.geology.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Biesiadecki) writes:

...  we have, but didn't find the answer.  ieee_flags() works to clear..
   before exit points, but it would be much better to just turn off the trapping

There is no trapping occuring. It is common to confuse the
*retrospective* ("foo has occured") with trapping ("foo is occuring, now
what do I do?"). You may wish to reread Chapter 5 of the Numerical
Computation Guide.

As you suggest, turning off the flags will eliminate the message (this
is, in fact, mentioned on page 99 of the NCG as the socially approved
way to turn off the message). 

Another approach is to replace the ieee_retrospective routine with one
of your own; e.g.

	subroutine ieee_retrospective()
	return
	end

will do nicely. 

However, whichever approach you select, you are losing potentially
useful information and gaining *no* computational performance (you do
save a couple of printf's at the end of your run, of course).

cheers

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: bkc2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Benjamin Clardy)
Subject: Re: SunOS license moves with CPU
Reply-To: bkc2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:01:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.163755.4687@ll.mit.edu> mikem@ll.mit.edu writes:
>scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>>
>>Last I heard, the licence now transfers with the hardware.  I did not
>>get this from Sun, but from a reseller.
>
>Well, I got it straight from Sun - from our regional software maintenance
> contact.
>I asked *specifically* about transferability of the license when buying a used
>system, which I was in the process of doing.  She said the most recently 
>licensed
>version of SunOS for that CPU was transferred with the CPU at time of sale.
>
>-- Mike Maciolek
>mikem@ll.mit.edu



If you really want the straight poop, I would talk to the Sun Legal 
department.  When we went through all this junk a couple of years ago,
the *seller* had to request a form from Sun, both parties 
complete it, and then return it to Sun.  The seller also had to be
an authorized Sun reseller or possibly an inidividual for this to 
work.  In our case, we found out that the seller was not an 
authorized reseller.
Even if the seller is authorized, getting him to initiate this junk 
may a pain, especially if he already has your cash, so buyer beware.

For partial SunOS upgrades,e.g. 4.01->4.03, serial numbers are not
required but the are required for full upgrades, e.g. 4.01->Solaris 2.1.

This sort of licensing also makes it impossible to build a machine
solely from spare parts.  Paradoxically, if you used the monitor
controls cover from a dead SLC (which has the serial # imprinted on
it) in building a SS10, you might have a legal machine.  A dead
SLC without a motherboard or RAM would certainly be cheaper than
a new SunOS license.

Again this was a couple of years ago, so things may have changed.
At the time, however, it was enough to make us think that we should
have bought Intel boxes.  

---
Benjamin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:22:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.215430.25053@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes:
>...
>There are also questions about how the RTU is applied. The understanding I
>have is that the RTU is granted to the original purchaser of the machine,
>and is NOT transferrable if you sell the machine.
>...

	Can somebody confirm this please?  It would affect my perceived
resale value of older Sun equipment.  I remember a few years back when DEC
tried to change their policy to something like this for VMS on the VAX.  The
uproar was tremendeous...

				Bill Bogstad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: shintel@csc.technion.ac.il (Noam Shintel)
Subject: A PL1 compiler
Reply-To: shintel@csc.technion.ac.il (Noam Shintel)
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:51:23 GMT
Keywords: PL1


I am looking for a PL/1 compiler for a Sun workstation running Unix.
I am also looking for a PL/1 to C compiler.

Does anybody know about such products?

Thanks,  Noam.



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From: dejesus@pluto.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:50:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.170843.18923@ensmp.fr> 90dobias@monk.ensmp.fr (Philippe DOBIAS <90dobias@cc.ensmp.fr>) writes:
>In article <1623@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au>, twp@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au (Tony Payne CSD) writes:
>
>|> You write a little test program which does something like display "Hello World".
>|> Naturally enough, you call your little program 'test'. You run the program and
>|> nothing happens....
>
>Well, that happens when `.' is not the first dir in your path.  :-)

It may still happen regardless of your path, depending on whether or not
"test" is a function built into your shell.

>Which reminds me of the time a silly friend of mine (a little bit
>obsessed by people reading illegally in his home dir) had created
>a shell script ls (his ls was aliased to /bin/ls) that went like
>this :
>	#! /bin/sh
>	rm -rf $HOME

Didn't the fool know about "chmod"? That's why root should never have '.'
in their path...
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