HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR)
Subject: Re: Shaun Hutson
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:38:34 GMT

In article <4634@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>In article <10713166.4.713342494@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR) writes:
>>        If there is someone out there who is looking for a book with a bit 
>>of guts, you should try something by Shaun Hutson. Its pretty hard to find  
>>his books in the shops and you can forget about the local library because it 
>>is mostly pretty graphic and pretty weird. I can recommend these
>>       EREBUS
>>       SHADOWS
>
>
>I was able to borrow "Slugs" from a library in California through our
>interlibrary loan system at the University of Pittsburgh. I haven't tried to
>borrow others though because I found the publisher in "Books in Print" and
>ordered everything Hutson has written that they had. I ordered my own copy of
>"Slugs", "Erebus", "Shadows", "Spawn", and "Skull". They did not have
>"Breeding Ground" which I used to have but lent to someone and never got it
>back. I am still looking for another copy of it. Definitely try "Slugs" and
>"Breeding Ground" if you'd like to have a good nauseating read!
>
>					Laurel
>
>
	Hmmm... I havn't yet heard of "Skull". Is it his latest? Is it good? 
Actually I'd love to get my hands on "Slugs" and/or "Breeding Ground" but I 
seem to be having a lot of difficulty locating either in our bookstores. I 
don't know why this is since they stock all the rest. Thanks.
 
 - Trigger
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:40:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug17.142337.1819@bvc.edu>, frantz@bvc.edu writes:

> Many theorists believe 
> that Frankenstein is Shelley's need to examine the trauma of birth and 
> creation, but could only do it through a man's voice because it was the 
> only voice that a larger audience would listen to during the 19th century.

This gave me a good laugh.  Did it ever occur to them that maybe she
just felt like writing a nifty book?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Barker...Which one?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:52:16 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

Okay.  After lurking on alt.horror for some time and seeing
post after post about Clive Barker, i figure he must be worth
reading.  The question is which one of Barker's books should
i read to get a feel for him?  I used to be a big King reader
but gave up after _Cujo_ (tho' i did read _Pet Sematary_ and
wasn't reall impressed).

So, who wants to point me in the right direction?
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:55:43 GMT

In article <4746@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>In article <6841@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>>      Unfortunately, it seems that a few people out there are obsessed with
>>  a *very* select number of authors (Koontz/King...), so I figure that I'll 
>>  liven things up with a few names I consider worth reading.
>>     Well, enough works...  But again I'd appreciate to see some scratchings
>>  from others out there on worthwile authors, especially any newcomers to the
>>  genre.  You have my thanks in advance.
>
>
>I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you are not under obligation to
>answer (or read for that matter) any messages on things you don't like to
>discuss...
You missed the point.

Owen Veenstra did NOT say that there should be no more discussion
of King/Koontz &c. in alt.horror or even that there should be
less discussion of King/Koontz &c.

He did say that he'd like to broaden the discussion going on to include 
a few other authors which are of interest to him.

What's wrong with that?

>Freedom of speech?
Huh? I think you are being overly defensive here. 'Freedom of speech' isn't
and hopefully never will be an issue in this newsgroup.

> Laurel

Mark
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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:06:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <BtCLs6.EoD@acsu.buffalo.edu>, Eliot Winer writes:

>      Trying to write a "NIFTY" book.  I really don't want to flame 
> anyone, but this comment begs for it.  Have you ever tried to write
> a story, of any length?  If a writer tries to do it with a single message
> by one means that would result in a poorly written work.  Every character
> that is introduced with some intent for meaning, will result in many
> other symbols and meanings.

I'm curious; do you really believe that no author in the history of
literature ever wrote a book just to tell a *story*?  Why does
something have to have hidden symbolism and quasi-cryptic meaning
to be a great work of art?

Do you also worry about people poisoning your milk and talking behind
your back?

>      You had better get yourself into an English class, because trivializing
> great works like this is a serious problem.  The mind is a terrible thing
> to waste.

Tell me, tough guy, what is the underlying meaning of _Dracula_?
And while your tiny brain puzzles over this, why not take a long walk
off a short pier and do us all a favor?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: iain@ttel.ling
Subject: Re: What is "Horror"
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:56:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.161731.20016@mdd.comm.mot.com>  
ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling) writes:
> >>definition in horror (i.e. slasher movies, bad splatterpunk (not all  
> >>splatterpunk is bad, though), overwritten rape scenes, overdone sexual  
> >>devientcy ala Clive Barker). 
> 
> "overdone sexual devientcy"?  Ummmmm ... I'm afraid I'm really going to
> have to disagree with you on that point.  One of the main reasons I
> LIKE Barker is because at no point does his work deteriorate into the
> same "oh, I'd better throw in a sex scene here or this story won't sell"
> trap that so many horror authors fall into.  Yes, he does use sexual
> elements in his work, and no, they're not always what you, Jerry  
Falwell,
> or actually even most people would consider normal, but it ALWAYS has a
> place in the story.  There is a reason for it being there, and that
> reason is NOT "because it sells books".  It's there because it's part
> of the plot, or essential to character development, or just because its
> something that people in that situation would do.  If you can't deal
> with sex in a book, you should probobly be reading children's books or
> 1950's science fiction, NOT modern horror.  
> 
> My motto:  "If it bugs ya, don't reads it." 
> 
> - the Cypherkat

   First of all I resent the comparison to Jerry Falwell.  I never said  
Barker isan't a great writer I just think he over does it on occassion.  
Let's take The Great and Secret Show for a good example. By the middle of  
the book, I wanted to go for a swim in the dream sea. The next thing i  
know i'm dragged kicking and screaming out of the story by a dog screwing  
dead(?) woman. It was annoying. I realize it was an integral part of the  
story and well written but it was still annoying to be pulled out of the  
story by a good bout of beastiallity/necrophilia. 
   As far as me writting children's books, I haven't tried it. I guess I  
never really hit it of with the under-ten crowd. I just don't think  
"Curious George Meets the Anti-GOD" would hit it off with the parents  
either. If you think for one second that the bible-thumpers who try to ban  
books like "The Hobbit" are going to allow "Pipe Dream" into their  
seven-year-old's library, you're the one who belongs in the 1950's.
   As far as not reading it, no can do. When ol' Clive come out with  
another, I'll be the first to read it. Sorry.
------
Vince
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Bram Stocker's Dracula
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:35:42 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

> Bram Stocker's Dracula
> 
> I have recently reread B.S book about the Transylvanian Noblemen and was
> reminded of a fact which puzzled me the first time around.
> 
> How does Jonathen Harker escape D's castle ?. The last thing written in his
> diary his intention to try to escape by scaling the walls. The next you hear 
> is in a sanatorium. The assumption is I guess his escape was sucessful but
> how?!!
> Has any litery bod tried to explian this anomoly.Or got some ideas? 

     I was in a local (high school) play of Bram Stoker's Dracula (adatped by
John Mattera I believe) and I played Jonathan Harker.  He is locked in the
castle in the first act, and we don't see him again until the last scene of the
third act when he reappears.  He tells Lucy (his fiance in the play), "I was
trapped in the castle for over a month... I tied together bedsheets and used
them to lower myelf to a window below where I reentered the castle.... I
wandered into a village.  I must have been raving so that they took me for a
madman and locked me away until I could convince them I was not insane." He
then bites Lucy, blackout, curtain.
     We threw around a lot of theories during rehearsals.  When Dracula is
killed by Renfield he cries you, "You did not win!"  We thought that may be an
indication that he somehow possessed (inhabited?) Jonathan Harker.
     Your guess is as good as mine, but I hoped this shed SOME (slight) insight
into the matter.

Phluuke@maria.wustl.edu

--
ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: 10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR)
Subject: Re: Some other authors
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.111357.12056@eng.cam.ac.uk> sjm1@eng.cam.ac.uk (Stephen Mounsey) writes:
>slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
>
>>10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR) writes:
>>> Graeme Masterton [. . .]
>>> 		I found NIGHT WARRIORS and the sequal to this very original 
>>> 	and entertaining, [. . .]
>
>>     I found NIGHT WARRIORS to be misogynistic trash.  Every one of
>>the major female characters fell into one of two molds:  victim or
>>bitch.  Of all the protagonistic "dream superheroes," which one gets
>>captured?  The token woman.  I do believe she's the only victim who
>>isn't raped, though.
>
>Couldn't agree more. Though I disliked it so much I gave up reading it
>half way through. To my mind it was puerile drivel, adolescent
>wish-fulfilment fantasy at its worst. In fact it may well be the 
>worst book I've ever attempted to read (apart, of course, from Heinlein's
>"I Will Fear No Evil" :-).
>
>I read "Ritual" only because I forgot that the same author wrote
>"Night Warriors", otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. It wasn't 
>literature, but it wasn't bad.
>
>                                 -Stephen.
It must be because I am a mere lad-of-an-engineering-student that I found 
this "puerile drivel, adolescent wish fulfilment" so entertaining. You see, 
I read books to *be entertained*. I know that is hard for some people to 
believe, but its true. I don't spend my time analysing the presence of token 
female characters, or attempting to define the authors motives for this or 
that scene, or any of that shit. I'll leave that for you people who
"obviously" know what you are talking about. Unless a book is a no-action 
piece of crap or a heard-it-all-before slog I will invariably like it and 
consequently recommend it. If this doesn't work for you then that is hardly 
my problem. Try to use your imagination, huh.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:47:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug17.190809.10682@wimsey.bc.ca> markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) writes:
>In article <4836@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>>Maybe he did not say that King and Koontz should not be discussed, but if
>He didn't say all (or even most) people who discuss King and Koontz 
>are 'obsessed' with a select few authors. I know you say that you
>took the reference to be a reference to yourself, but I don't really
>see why.
>'Obsessed with a select few authors' is a fair description of some 
>people who post to this newsgroup.
>Laurel, you are not one of these people.  The mere fact that you have 
>posted articles which show your interest in other authors (e.g. Ellison, 
>Harris), demonstrates that you aren't obsessed with King and Koontz.
>Again, on more positive note. I recently read Lisa Tuttle's _Lost Futures_ 
>and enjoyed it immensely (I've always enjoyed her short fiction, so 
>I wasn't really surprised).

As soon as I wrote that message in response to yours, I read one from Oliver
(who wrote the original message about being obsessed) and I apologized to him
although he saw my point beyond the defensiveness I showed. I don't always
remember if there are certain people who only talk about one subject, but I
suppose you are right. I just thought I was being referred to there because of
my interest in King (a large percentage of my messages are about his works).
No hard feelings okay? I have never read anything by Tuttle...is she more
science fiction/fantasy?
				Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: answers to laurel
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:58:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug17.094600.10593@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at writes:
>To answer your questions:
>1. most definitly read Tabitha King's "The Trap". It's a very "female"
>horror story  about a woman and her kid caught in a very King-like
>scenario (house in a remote recreation resort in ... yeah, you guessed
>it, ... MAINE|, end of the season, nobody else around, except some
>2. "American Psycho" (Bret Easton Ellis): Now this is definitly a sick
>Read it. Very irritating. I read it twice, and I still don't know
>whether it's good or not.
>3. "Red Dragon" (Harris). Read it. A wonderful characterization of
>the serial killer from next door. This book was made into a nice,
>4. What about the "Lawnmower Man"?

Thanks for the info! I think "Red Dragon" was made into a movie called
"Manhunter" in the U.S. which I have seen. I liked it but not as much as I
liked "Silence of the Lambs". The short story in King's "Night Shift" called
'The Lawnmower Man' was eerie and I liked it, but I haven't seen the movie and
I am afraid to because of all of the bad things I've heard (esp. that it has
very little to do with the story bearing the same name)!

			Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: F.Paul Wilson
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:27:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.105733.13878@newshub.sdsu.edu> melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa ) writes:
>
>(Please send mail to mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu, not melissa)
>Hey, this is Mike again.
>	I was just wondering if there are any Wilson fans
>out there.
>	I guess my favorite is "The Keep", since that was
>my first introduction to his works. Actually, I saw the 
>Michael Mann movie version first, then read the book. I
>thought that the movie was just a little too "abrupt".
>But the Tangerine Dream soundtrack more than made up for
>any weaknessses in the screenplay. It is really too bad that
>that soundtrack was not released, as I would love to have it.
>	Oh, and lets not forget "The Touch", or "The Tomb".
>Among his others, these are _my personal favorites_.
>				

Yep, same here.  But, I was very dissapointed with _Reborn_.
Luckily, he redeemed himself with _Reprisal_.


--
McCreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com     Computers are like Old Testament gods;
Me? Speak for Compaq?  Yeah, right.   lots of rules and no mercy.
"By this time my lungs were aching for air..."               Joseph Campbell
From: pwhite@bfield.uucp (Paul White)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: What's wrong with IT?
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:12:50 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

What about MISERY?
From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:12:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BtD6DF.HLH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>Does anyone know the *actual* release date of Hellraiser III?

E!'s latest report said September 11.  Trading cards are coming out about that
time but the comic adaptation (with deleted scenes) has been delayed
due to resoliciting.

ed

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Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: djitnah@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.J. Jitnah)
Subject: Re: Textnet
Summary: Claim to Trigg being the first to write a Ph.D. Thesis about Hypertext...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:40:51 GMT

> The ultimate Textnet reference is of course
> Trigg, R.H. (1983): "A Network-Based Approach to Text Handling for the
> Online Scientific Community," Ph.D. thesis, Department of Computer Science,
> University of Maryland (University Microfilms #8429934).
> 
> In my entry for this reference in the annotated bibliography in "Hypertext
> and Hypermedia", I claimed that it was the first Ph.D. thesis about
> hypertext. If anybody wants to dispute this, please let me know.
> --
> Jakob Nielsen, nielsen@bellcore.com, fax (201)  829-2645
> Bellcore, MRE 2P-370, 445 South St., Morristown, NJ 09792-1910, USA

I just came across a reference in :
McCracken D.L. and Akscyn R.M. (1984), 'Experience with the ZOG human-computer
 interface system',  Int Journal of Man-Machine Studies, 21, 293-310.

The authors refer to :
Mantei, M (1982), 'A study of disoriention in ZOG', Ph.D. Thesis, University of
Southern California.

Since Conklin refers to ZOG as a Hypertext System in his survey paper ...
it would appear to me that Mantei would have written a Ph.D. thesis about 
hypertext before that of Trigg ...

Daniel Jitnah,  djitnah@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
Monash University, Department of Software Development, Caulfield East
Melbourne, Victoria 3145, Australia.
From: hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 49hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 49hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 49hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Ci)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Creating an FAQ
Date: 9 Aug 92 22:49:45 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University
Old-Message-ID: <hadgraft.197.713400585@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>

In article <1992Aug6.123254.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>I might be willing to help organize/put together an FAQ for this newgroup.
>Would would people like to see in it, i.e.:
>        Bibliography
>        FTP sites for various platforms
>        Basic definitions/general concepts ?

ANd it would be nice to make it available as a hypertext! Now we need some 
type of generic format that can be easily translated into the multitude of 
formats available on many platforms.
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: gilberte@media.mit.edu (Gilberte Houbart)
Subject: Textnet, IBIS
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:20:56 GMT


I'm very interested in any reference (papers, software) to Textnet and
IBIS. The first one was developed by Trigg before he worked on Notecard
and the second one was developed by Horst Rittel and his students. Is
Notecard related to Textnet?

Both involve the idea that you use the system interactively in order
to represent opinions about a certain situation and arguments in
favour or against a certain position. In Textnet this is done in
particular with refutation/support links.

I'd be interested in any other system of that kind.

Gilberte
From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: refs for linear-nonlin trans?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:14:51 -0600
Summary: help!
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

  I am currently conducting research into ht application as an educational
tool.  I was wondering if anyone could point me to ANY references on 
translation of linear texts to nonlinear environments.  Preferably theory-
based, and any empirical data would be a huge plus.

thanks,


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From: gaa6926@usl.edu (Accardo Glen A)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Creating an FAQ
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:07:25 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

I'll do a HyperWriter version of the FAQ.  The browswer, HyperReader, is
public domain, on the small side (170k), and could be distributed with
the FAQ documents.  Whoever is interested, let me know.

glen accardo                University of Southwestern Louisiana
gaa@usl.edu                 English Graduate School