HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tfb@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Tim Bradshaw)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Integrating TeX and PostScript
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:52:11 GMT
	<1992Sep18.054120.259@linkoping.trab.se>
	<19SEP199217003990@vms.huji.ac.il> <28336@life.ai.mit.edu>
Organization: Not

>>>>> On 26 Sep 92 13:06:59 GMT, bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) said:

[In summary: I hope I haven't distorted your points -- if I did it
wasn't intentional]

> (MICHAEL MASCHLER) writes:


>    1. The comfortable preview of parts of the dvi file to assert that
>       complicated tables and other alignments, for examole, are correctly set.

> [Everything is wonderful if you have ATM]

I don't, nor the money to buy it, nor, probably, a machine it will run
on if I could afford it.

>    2. The possibility of getting characters with information in them which
>       does not exist in Postscript fonts.

> [There are several TeX-compatible PS math fonts]

Are there any free ones?  How do I print them to my HP if I can't use
ATM?

>    3. The possibility to type the file on printers that do not understand
>       PostScript. (I understand that high class printers are such).

> No problem with ATM installed.  You can even `print' to a fax board! 

I still don't have ATM.

>    4. The ability to get fonts of various kinds, which are free.

> There are hundreds of Type 1 fonts in public domain (although quality is
> not always what one might hope for).  

But TeX is about quality if it's about anything, isn't it?

> [...]

So it seems that PS can win over DVI by saving you the effort of
running a dvi->PS converter to preview PS figures (assuming you have a
PS interpreter on your machine), and saving you some time the first
time you use a font at an unusual size.  And if you have money to
spend on commercial software and commercial fonts it may be more
useful in other ways as well.  Of course your documents will be either
non-portable or non-freely-redistributable in that case.  And if they
are to be portable & freely-redistributable you must use low-quality
fonts and not do any mathematics.

Is this a fair summary?  If it is will someone explain to me what this
futile argument is about?

--tim
From: deflorio@gauss.csata.it (Enzo De Florio)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: bezier curves in TeX files
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 8:09:30 MET
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Hi,
I'd like to know if there exists some plain-TeX-compatible, cheap (in
terms
of memory usage) way of drawing a bezier curve.

Thanks a lot,

- Vincenzo De Florio
  deflorio@gauss.csata.it


Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: knappen@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Joerg Knappen)
Subject: Re: Wrapping text around figures
Keywords: picintex.sty
Reply-To: knappen@obelix.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE
Organization: ONO (Organisation der Nicht-Organisierten)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:21:42 GMT

Your problem is dealt with in an article by F. Sowa in the most recent issue
of the ,,TeXnische Komm"odie'' (the newsletter of DANTE e.V.). The soulition
is to use picintex.sty, available from the Stuttgart server.

Yours, J"org Knappen.
From: forsythe@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: PSFIG \special files
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:36:07 GMT
Reply-To: forsythe%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

I am trying to use psfig to include a postscript graphic in a Latex file.
Psfig wants \special files called endTexFig and startTexFig.  What do these
files do and where can I get them?  Right now I can omit those file referencesfrom psfig and my PSDVI program works OK but nothing comes out of my printer.
Any help would be appreciated.

John.
From: gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory B. Lampshire)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: so TeX wants some TFM's that I don't have and I can't find--what to do?!
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:36:06 GMT
Reply-To: gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu



Well, after two days of macro headaches and reading the the TeXbook to get  
TeX to do what I want I have almost finished my two item list of things  
that must be done.  

The second little problem that has cropped up.....

As was suggested a short time ago, I am trying to get boldfaced math  
symbols (like a boldfaced \gamma) so I can put a bar over it and call it a  
tensor (since \bar\bar\gamma looks bady and \overline\overline\gamma  
doesn't quite look right)


LaTeX input file:

\documentstyle{article}
\def\boldgamma{\mbox{\boldmath$\gamma$}}
\begin{document}
Hopefully, this will produce the correct size and boldness that I need.
$$ x^2 + y^2 = \boldgamma + \gamma $$
\end{document}

Log file:
This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141
LaTeX Version 2.09 <25 March 1992>

(test.tex (/usr/local/lib/tex/inputs/article.sty
Standard Document Style `article' <14 Jan 92>.
(/usr/local/lib/tex/inputs/art10.sty)) (test.aux)
Warning: Font/shape `cmm/b/it' in size <7> not available on input line 6.
Warning: Using external font `cmmi7' instead on input line 6.
Warning: Font/shape `cmm/b/it' in size <5> not available on input line 6.
Warning: Using external font `cmmi5' instead on input line 6.
Warning: Font/shape `cmsy/b/n' in size <7> not available on input line 6.
Warning: Using external font `cmsy7' instead on input line 6.
Warning: Font/shape `cmsy/b/n' in size <5> not available on input line 6.
Warning: Using external font `cmsy5' instead on input line 6.
Warning: Font/shape `lasy/b/n' in size <7> not available on input line 6.
Warning: Using external font `lasy7' instead on input line 6.
Warning: Font/shape `lasy/b/n' in size <5> not available on input line 6.
Warning: Using external font `lasy5' instead on input line 6.
[1] (test.aux) )
Output written on test.dvi (1 page, 496 bytes).
Transcript written on test.log.

Formatting finished at Sun Sep 27 20:13:57


I am running the latest NFSS.  Apparantly it is looking for cm bold math  
italic fonts for some unknown reason.  It can't find them.  I don't have  
the tfm files and I have looked on both labrea and ymir.  Apparantly they  
are non-standard and I am clueless why it needs to load that many fonts  
just to get the boldface \gamma !?!?!?



My question is simple:  What do I do now to get my boldface math symbols?



--
Gregory Lampshire 
Virginia Tech 
Bradley Department of Electrical Engineering
gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (NeXTmail welcome)
------------------------
My opinions are my very own and do not reflect the opinions of any  
employer
From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Virtual Fonts
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:18:30 GMT
In-reply-to: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu's message of 22 Sep 92 23:49:28 GMT


`In article <1992Sep22.234928.13426@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:
From: hsingh@cs.uh.edu (Harpreet Singh)
Subject: Any documantation for Latex
Organization: Computer Science dept.,  Univ. of Houston (Main Campus)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:51:41 GMT


Hello World
	Is there any reference book of documantation for Latex that
can be got as Postscript file or as a .tex file.
	Any pointers will be helpful
Thanks
Harpreet
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%   Harpreet Singh                      e-mail: hsingh@cs.uh.edu           %
%   @University Of Houston              v-mail: (713) 743-3328, 748-7292   %
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From: ajayshah@cis.rand.org
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: A request about TeX tables
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:17:34 GMT
Reply-To: ajayshah@cis.rand.org
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

I'm still trying to evaluate the many alternative ways to produce
tables in a TeXy (or LaTeXy) way.  

Could you please send me a copy of a table produced by you, which you
felt good about?  Please also tell me what macro files are needed
to grind it.  The more complex the better, but cute small tables are
also highly prized by me.

Thanks,

        -ans.
From: ecsgrt@luxor.latrobe.edu.au (Geoffrey Tobin)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: bezier curves in TeX files
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:48:05 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

Donald Knuth has written "picmac.tex", which David M. Jones's "TeX
Macro Index" describes as a picture macro set for plain TeX, with
_quadratic_ splines (quadratic beziers).  Maybe someone can extend
this to cubic splines (cubic beziers).

Now an advertisement.

``This looks like a job for the TeX Macro Index.''

David M. Jones, dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu, has compiled a list of TeX
macros and LaTeX styles.

The originating site is:

 theory.lcs.mit.edu         pub/tex/TeX-index
 [18.52.0.92]

Frank Perske posted on 5 Sep to say that it is available at the
following locations:

 ftp.uni-stuttgart.de       /soft/tex/documentation/TeX-index
 archive.cs.ruu.nl          TEX/DOC/TeX-index.Z
 ftp.th-darmstadt.de        pub/tex/documentation/styles-and-macros.Index.Z
 ftp.math.utah.edu          pub/tex/tex-index
 ftp.diku.dk                pub/TeX/misc/TeX-Index.Z
 NIORD.SHSU.edu             [listserv.tex-index]tex.index
 TeX.ac.uk                  [tex-archive.doc]tex-index.txt
 ymir.claremont.edu         [anonymous.tex.documentation]tex-index.txt

David M. Jones posted on 25 Aug:

    To retrieve it by mail, send a message containing only the line

        send tex TeX-index

    to archive-server@theory.lcs.mit.edu.

All the Best!
Geoffrey Tobin
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: How to \input{whole-latex-file}
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.000254.28973@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ky04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KUN YU) writes:
> We would usually need to input a complete latex file, containing 
> lines \documentstyle{}, \begin{document}, \end{document}, which we have 
> latex'ed to check the syntax. 
> When we \input, those command lines will cause trouble.

Get DM Jones' tex-index (look at recent posts for location). Then check the
entry for verbatim from Rainer Sch\"opf.
From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: line breaking woes with font eufm, why?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:08:31 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu
Keywords: TeX, font, problems

In article <1992Oct2.175454.1147@u.washington.edu> godden@stein.u.washington.edu (Jeff Godden) writes:
>Greetings TeX mavins,
>
>I blundered into an interesting font, "eufm", which is reminiscent
>of old German font that I had heard called fraktu\"r.  However, no
>matter what I do I get warnings about overfull or underfull hboxes;
>even if I set \tolerance = 10000.  I have tested this on a couple 
>of different implementations of TeX, all with the same unhappy
>result.

The is "Euler Fraktur Medium" from the AMS.  It is intended to be used
as mathematical symbols.  So it has no glue!  Thus, it is not intended
for typesetting text.  You would have the same problem if you try
to set text using cmmi10, for example.
-- 
  Gerald A. Edgar                Internet:  edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
  Department of Mathematics      Bitnet:    EDGAR@OHSTPY
  The Ohio State University      telephone: 614-292-0395 (Office)
  Columbus, OH 43210             -292-4975 (Math. Dept.) -292-1479 (Dept. Fax)
From: denis@smoky.ikf.physik.uni-frankfurt.de (Denis Endisch)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: \baselinestretch
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:00:03 GMT
Organization: Institut fuer Kernphysik, Frankfurt/Main

DL24794@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Daniel H. Luecking) writes:


>In <1992Sep29.023658.18296@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> (comp.text.tex, Tue, 29
>Sep 1992 02:36:58 GMT), Christopher JS Vance <Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au>
>posted:
>>   ...
>> I am using NFSS and \baselinestretch{1.3}, but it appears that the stretch
>> is ignored throughout.  Since I can't check if ymir's doublespace.sty is
>>   ...

>I don't know if the poster was speaking informally, or if \baselinestretch
>may indeed be set this way, but the manual says to change it with

>\renewcommand{\baselinestretch}{1.3}

It should also be mentioned that this command should be used in the preamble.
If it is used somewhere in the text, it will only be active after the
fontsize changes...

\renewcommand{\baselinestretch}{1.3} \large \normalsize

--
Denis Endisch, Institut fuer Kernphysik
August-Euler-Str. 6, 6000 Frankfurt 90, Germany
EMAIL: denis@smoky.ikf.physik.uni-frankfurt.de
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: andre@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Andre Verweij)
Subject: Difference between printing and previewing?
Summary: Why does a file print differently from its previewing?
Keywords: Postscript, Mathematica, dvips
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:54:03 GMT

In the last period many people have been asking why does my text with
postscript figures preview nicely, but with printing it looks differently.
For example a FrameMaker Document becomes much larger, or a Mathematica plot
has different linethicknesses, or the figures do not appear at all.

My question is: What causes these differences? Does a previewer
interpret a postscript file in another way than a printer? Should
a previewer have the ability to simulate the printer exactly? This
would avoid a lot of unnessecary printing.

I would like to hear your reactions.

Andre Verweij
andre@duteind.et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: cameron@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Cameron Smith)
Subject: Strange lines in ist files from doc.doc
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:59:39 GMT

I just retrieved the new Mainz doc package and attempted to process it.
I'm delighted to have documentation for the use of docstrip and the doc
style, and look forward to casting some of my own code into that format.
But at the moment I'm still early in the learning process.  I latex'd
the installation file (install.mz0), which did produce the files
doc.sty, docstrip.tex, gglo.ist, and gind.ist as advertised.  But
the .ist files contain some funny stuff that makeindex complains
about.  I am *not* referring to the lines that the documentation
clearly warns about (the ones that work in old versions of makeindex
but are harmlessly ignored in new versions, and are included for
backwards compatibility).  I mean these lines, which were copied
(verbatim) from doc.doc into both gglo.ist and gind.ist:

\ifx\on@line\undefined
  \def\on@line{ on input line \the\inputlineno}
  \errhelp{Support for input line numbers has been added
           to latex.tex <dec91>.^^J^^J%
           Please update to a newer LaTeX release.}
  \errmessage{Obsolete LaTeX release (older than Dec.91)}
\fi

This is plainly not suitable input for makeindex, and while it doesn't
keep me from using the files (makeindex grumbles, but ignores the lines
and proceeds to work properly), it does make me wonder whether there's
something fishy in the processing of doc.doc.  Here are the versions
I've got of the various software tools:

  % latex
  This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.1a
  **\relax
  LaTeX Version 2.09 <14 January 1992>

  % makeindex
  This is makeindex, portable version 2.11 [19-Oct-1991].

Can somebody tell me whether it's really intentional that the
\ifx\on@line\undefined...\fi code was put into the .ist files?
If (as I suspect) it is not, is this my problem because I don't
have up-to-the-minute versions of LaTeX and TeX, or is it a
widespread problem that simply has gone unnoticed because makeindex
ignores the lines?  If the latter, is it likely to adversely affect
other files that I may prepare with doc.sty and docstrip.tex?

Thanks in advance for any info...
--Cameron Smith, searching for a clue
  cameron@symcom.math.uiuc.edu

P.S. I've only just started to skim the 100+ pages of documentation;
I apologize if I've overlooked something.
From: gold@growler.UUCP (David Goldschmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: equations with custom numbers
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:32:38 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research
In-reply-to: img@aisb.ed.ac.uk's message of 29 Sep 92 12:17:13 GMT


Just a comment that I believe that most of the functionality provided in equations.sty
seems to be present in AMS-LaTeX, along with a *lot* of additional useful features.
For those unfamiliar with AMS-LaTeX, it's pretty much backward compatible with
LaTeX but has a significant amount of additional features for mathematicians.
I've been using it for a while now and like it a lot.
From: kuplinsk@math.rutgers.edu (Julio Kuplinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: unintended behavior of \everypar
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:01:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


************IN ORDER TO GET THIS ....  ************************

This is a title

	text text text text text text text text text text y text text text
	text text text text text text text text text y text text text text

Another title

	text text text text text text text text text text y text text text
	text text text text text text text text text y text text text text

	text text text text text text text text text text y text text text
	text text text text text text text text text y text text text text

%% Note that all paragraphs are indented.

*********** ... I USE THIS***********************************

\parindent=0pt
\parskip=\smallskipamount
\everypar{\hangindent=10 ex \hangafter=0}
\def\title#1{{\medskip\hangindent=0ex \hangafter=0 \bf#1}}


\title{This is a title}

text text text text text text text text text text y text text text
text text text text text text text text text y text text text text

\title{Another title}

text text text text text text text text text text y text text text
text text text text text text text text text y text text text text

text text text text text text text text text text y text text text
****************************************************************

This works fine as long as I don't begin a paragraph with

{\bf text} text text text text text text text text text y text text

I guess this has to do with TeX not being in vertical mode after
reading the {, but I'm not sure. Anyway, is there any way to change
the definition of the macro so that I always get the desired effect?

Thanks.

Julio Kuplinsky
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: gustav@arp.anu.edu.au (Zdzislaw Meglicki)
Subject: Too many unprocessed floats
Keywords: epsf figures LaTeX
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research, ANU, Canberra, Australia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 09:56:00 GMT

I am trying to include figures in LaTeX with the epsf package. My header is:

   \documentstyle[12pt,epsf]{amsart}
   \epsfverbosetrue
   \begin{document}

and this is followed by 18 figures whose size is such that they
force a page per figure:

   \begin{figure}
      \epsfxsize=12cm
      \centerline{\epsfbox{acc.ps}}
      \caption{Accretion rate in $M_\odot/T_{\odot\odot}$ in function of
               time (in $T_{\odot\odot}$)}
      \label{accretion}
   \end{figure}

   \begin{figure}
      \epsfxsize=12cm
      \centerline{\epsfbox{mass.ps}}
      \caption{Total mass enclosed within the system in $M_\odot$ in function
               of time (in $T_{\odot\odot}$). Although the accretion rate
               stabilises around $t = 1.2\,T_{\odot\odot}$ the total mass of
               the system continues to increase, although at a slower rate.
               The moment of stabilisation of the accretion rate corresponds
               to the place in the mass growth curve where the slope of the
               curve changes.}
      \label{mass}
   \end{figure}

   ......

What happens is that AMSLaTeX (LaTeX does the same, I checked) can only
take up to 18 figures in this way, then stops and complains:

   LaTeX error.  See LaTeX manual for explanation.
                 Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
   ! Too many unprocessed floats.
   \@latexerr ...for immediate help.}\errmessage {#1}
                                                  
   \@next #1#2#3#4->\ifx #2\@empty #4
                                  \else \expandafter \@xnext #2\@@ #1#2#3\fi 
   \@xfloat ...\count \@currbox \@tempcnta }\@fltovf 
                                                  \fi \global \setbox \@curr...
   <to be read again> 
                   \vspace 
   l.223        \vspace
                    {3cm}
   ? e
   No pages of output.
   Transcript written on tryme.log.

I guess that the reason for this behaviour is that as LaTeX keeps processing
the figures, it holds space for any potential text and it flops when the
number of pages exceeds 18.

Is there a way to address the problem, for instance by telling LaTeX to 
throw away the floats (which are all empty in this case anyway)? I tried
to use \newpage (AMSLaTeX forces page break) between the figures and to put
some text in between figures, but none of that worked.

I think that the problem must be with "\begin{figure}" rather than
with epsf.


-- 
   Zdzislaw Gustav Meglicki, gustav@arp.anu.edu.au,
   Automated Reasoning Project - CISR, and Plasma Theory Group - RSPhysS,
   The Australian National University, G.P.O. Box 4, Canberra, A.C.T., 2601, 
   Australia, fax: (Australia)-6-249-0747, tel: (Australia)-6-249-0158
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: asnd@msr.triumf.ca (Donald Arseneau)
Subject: Re: Underlining in TeX.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.161101.16243@athena.mit.edu>, lasmith@athena.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) writes...
> 
>I'd be interested in a macro package that would not underline any letters
>that extend below the line (q,p,g,j,y for instance) --- does this exist??
>(Or is it easy to construct?)

It is *possible* to construct such a macro package, but it still wouldn't
do what you *really* want, and that is to interrupt the underline at the
stems of descenders, but still underline the bowls.  For that you need 
to make underlined versions of the fonts.  I am surprised that nobody has
done this with cm since DEK mentions it in the TeXbook, and it is probably
*The easiest* metafont exercise.

Donald

(This non-sequitur is a self-referential gratuitous plug for ulem.sty.)
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: DVIPS Problems, please help
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:40:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct4.204027.20126
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Hi, I'm having some major problems getting DVIPS to work. First of all, I 
have everything installed, but when I attempt to convert a .dvi file
to .ps, the dvips program can't find the virtual font which is in directory
c:\texfonts\vf. Where can I set the path for the virtual fonts? 

Also, whenver DVIPS attempts to load a font, it tries to look for 400 dpi
font versions. Where can I set the dpi value to 300 dpi, instead of 400?

Is there a configuration file for this? I know that the stuff can be defined
in the Makefile, but I have an MSDOS version, and I thought nothing had to be
compiled, and everything came pre-compiled. Also, I do not have a C compiler.
Where else can I define things? Config.ps doesn't look to have the various
configuration variables for font path and dpi.

Also, where can I get .vf equivilents of the computer modern series (the fonts
that come with the .fli files: lj_0.fli, 1, 2, etc. that are .pk)? Since I 
will be using postscript, there seems to be no use in having the .pk 
bitmapped fonts, so I'd like to use the same design and fonts, but in
postscript format, instead of bitmapped.

Thanks

-- 
    .  .      +---------------------------------+
  --|--|      | Mark Yeon Wook Choi             |
   /.\ |      | yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu |
  --|--|      +---------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: LaTeX to MS Word
From: paed1@otago.ac.nz
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:51:48 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

	Does anyone know of a LateX to Microsoft Word translator?
(or maybe a .dvi to MSW translator)
	Thnaks

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex