From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddamn
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:31:28 GMT
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In article <4998@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1jnv0bINNfgk@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:
>>
>>I'd like to address here the term "Islamic unity" and how
>>that is related to Saddam.  Islamically, are you supposed to
>>be on the side of Iraq or USA during that bloody war?
>>The intentions of the West/Israel/USA was known, that's
>>why *ALL* of Jihadic/islamic movements around the world was
>>in support or at least on the side of Iraq.  All of less
>>islamic poppet governments, such as Saudia/Qatar/...etc
>>took the other side.  Can you really say there was an
>>islamic split?  I don't think so.
>
>Actually, as we are referring to the Gulf War, the scholars
>rejected and denounced both Western intervention and Saddam's
>invasion.  Of course the Islamic position was to "resist the

Never mind Saddam's invasion, everyone agrees it was wrong
if he really intended to invade out of evilness.  But it is 
naive of us to think as such.  It was proven and obvious that the 
US pushed Kuwait to provoke a beast (Saddam) in order for them to
have a legitimate reason to destroy Iraq and remain
on good terms with the oil-rich arab world.

It is Israel's pressure on the US, the US bowed to Israel's wish.
Saddam is not stupid; he did not bomb Israel for no
reason.  Iraq has become too strong for Israel (unless if they
have to Nuke him), he threatened to wipe 1/2 of Israel with
chemicals, and was getting to Nukes 6 months prior,  has a huge and 
strong army, very stubborn nationalist, and began KILLING spies;  no SOB
was willing to go and spy on iraq anymore, eliminating the
potential was the answer.

The iraqi army was the only army that was able to defeat the israeli
army in the history of the conflict.  Israel came 28km away from 
Damascus, Iraq pushed it back all the way to the Golan Heights.  
The iraqi army is known in its fearless courageness.  Al Khafji 
was a good example.  The lost the war against the entire world
from electronics, to Satellites, to food and arms embargo, ...to...

Israel is no stupid.  Why should Israel lose 1 bullet in accomplishing
its wish, while it can use the US's money, personnel, and remain
the good guy.  It would be very naive of any human being to
think that Israel was the good guy in this war. (Especially it is the 
most naive to condemn Saddam's Scuds on Tel Aviv while being silent
about cluster bombing of Baghdad, or Israel Bombing of Beirut).


The story goes way beyond Iraq and its strength.  The issue
lies around the Arabic or Islamic world getting any
stronger.  If you don't view the pressure presented on Pakistan,
pressure on Sudan, stopping of shippment of Scuds to Syria, embargo
against Iraq, embargo against Lybia, minor embargo against Yemen,
Algeria's vote Rape, the elimination of the PLO,  pressure
on Iran, the forcefull disarming of the Qatari Army of 
Stingers, and opressing Intifada as equivallent then you have a problem
in understanding the way Israel thinks and behaves and
the way she influences the US, and the UN.

Again Saddam had to be the one. Anyone out of Pakistan, Afghanistan,
Saudia, Palestine, Mecca, Los Angeles, that gives Israel a hard
time is going to fall under the same lines.  BELIEVE ME
THEY DO NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SADDAM, ASSAD, THE PROPHET,
SALAH ADDEN, MARCELLE KHALIFE, OHM KALHOUM, FAIRUZ, Gubran
Khalil Gubran,  OR EVEN BASHIR AL GEMAYYEL.
THEY VIEW THEM ALL AS THE OTHER SIDE.

jle