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From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:28:06 GMT

In article <BxIDz1.2Fw@mach1.wlu.ca> veen2976@mach1.wlu.ca (veenstra christopher) writes:
>Okay, Spacewar is the unanimous winner of that one.  Here's a followup then,
>what's the first computer adventure game?

But _that's_ an easy one, and an FAQ at that:

Adventure, aka ADVENT, aka Colossal Cave, by Crowther and Woods.

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From: john@gu.uwa.edu.au (John West)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Value of a PDP-11,VAX-11/750?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 05:19:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

<VAX 11/750s - are they worth it?>
>The problem, of course, is that they are VERY expensive to
>ship, and require special power. Also in 1989 DEC was charging $15k a
>year to service them, so repairs aren't cheap!
>   I wouldn't buy one as an investment, but they are probably still of
>some use to someone.

If you're sufficiently enthusiastic, they're quite good things to have.
Shipping isn't that much of a problem if you can find 5 or 10 friends and
a small truck. Power is a little more of a problem. The one we've got had
2 15A power cables - we hacked the ends to fit the 10A sockets we've got,
and plugged it in. Worked fine. Even managed the VAX, a fridge, an urn,
a largish photocopier, and a microwave oven on the same circuit. Until
someone opened the microwave door and the light came on :-(
DEC tend to over-engineer things a little, so it is reasonably reliable
under quite horrifying conditions. Ours was in a non-airconditioned room,
full of dust and all sorts of nasties. I won't pretend that it has been
perfectly reliable, but its been quite good. Until the first hot day of
summer. That killed it.
Another thing. If you have to pay the power bill, DON'T!

John West 
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From: azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: VAXen then and now
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:53:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

This probably could go in comp.sys.dec, but since I am asking in a more
historical and hacker sense...

I am wondering, just what the differences are in the many different VAXen
over the years (outside of some more obvious answers)

What is the difference between an 11/780 and say a 9000 (the most powerful
VAXen today, excluding the new 7000 and 10000)? They are both VAX processors
Is it just a difference in speed? I know that some have instructions
emulated, but so long as it offers all VAX instructions, its still a VAX.
If it offered a different instruction set, it wouldnt be a VAX.

Why? I picked up a book entiled 'VAX-11 assembly language programming' dated
1983, and wish to learn VAX assembly. Mostly just curious. 

Thanx

-- 
Billy D'Augustine azog@spatula.rent.com

"I am the politician, and I decide your fate"
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: melissa@romulus (Melissa Woo)
Subject: blue ninja?
Summary: Why is Lee Reiswig nicknamed Blue Ninja?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:32:11 GMT
Keywords: ibm,reiswig,blue ninja,nickname

I'm sure everyone knows the answer to this question except me, but here goes...

Why is IBM's Lee Reiswig nicknamed the "Blue Ninja"?  I can understand the
"blue," but where does "ninja" come from?

-- 

Melissa Woo

melissa@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
From: jpfleger@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jim Pfleger)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Fortune
Summary: Question about fortune
Keywords: fortune UNIX UN*X
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:33:22 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


   I was reading fortune tonight and I got the following:

"For a good time call: (415)642-9483"

I called the number and the area code has changed to 510.  I called
THAT number and it was disconnected.  Does anyone know what was
originally at this number?

Jim Pfleger
jpfleger@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: elf@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:21:19 GMT

mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>Re the original use of DACs and an oscilloscope to make the Spacewar
>display:
>
>I'd *really* like to see somebody implement that, as a gadget to be used
>with an oscilloscope.  
> [...]
>or even implement it in a microcontroller such as the Motorola 68HC11
>series.  Any takers?

Well, one of the projects for the 3rd year EE course here at Ryerson
is (was ? I graduated eons ago, so it might have changed) to
implement PONG on a scope running on a 6809. The software
development was done on XT's (it's now done on Sun IPC's running X
(all development-software was written locally)) & downloaded to the
6809 educational-board.

So, Spacewar shouldn't be that difficult.

--
luis fernandes  <elf@ee.ryerson.ca>
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Lotsa levels of attribution! (WAS: Re: Help with XMS mai
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:57:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

In article <k46NTB6w165w@mertwig.UUCP> xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP
(Daniel Drucker) writes:

>Does anyone know of a place where I can get a new refrigerator simulator?

     I know how you feel.  Mine broke a while ago and now my
Josephson junction computer simulator doesn't work any more.

     Has anyone gotten a liquid helium simulation going yet?

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court
From: Edward.Rice@p4214.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Rice)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:26:21 -0500

The Cybard= said to All: 

  TC> From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=) Newsgroups:
  TC> alt.folklore.computers Organization: UB
  TC> 
  TC> What was the very first computer game?  When I say computer game, I
  TC> mean a game that would not exist without the computer. (ex: ZORK,
  TC> Adventure, Pac-Man, but not computer Tic-Tac-Toe or computer chess.)

Space War.


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lesmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lee Harvey Oswald Smith)
Subject: Re: domain questions
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:36:34 GMT

taft@adobe.com (Ed Taft) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.112527.5662@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se
>adopted the convention of identifying countries with two-letter codes?
>It certainly doesn't seem very user-friendly. Perhaps a concession to
>some archaic database technology?
>-- 
Think about it. Would  *you* want to type .united_states or .netherlands or
.australia at the end of an email address?



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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATMs for $$$$
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <1992Nov11.183645.15704@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
>In article <Mf0=nre00iUx8=Zlc8@andrew.cmu.edu> Samuel Roy Helwig <sh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
>>    ATM == Automatic Teller Machine
>>
>>                --Sam
>
>Why, thank you Sam. I'm glad you cleared that up for us all.

And all along I thought it stood for:

	Atonally Tormented Mustard

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: Vector graphics
Organization: a2i network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.174228.7297@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aduell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell) writes:
>
>WEll, some [interesting] thoughts on build-it-yourself 'scope graphics.

You also might be able to find an Evans and Sutherland Picture System from the
70's or early 80's around.  These had BIG calligraphic displays in bakelite
cabinets that looked old-fashioned even then, as well as expensive
room-warmers of 3D transformers and depth-cuers. 3D spacewar?  Hm.

I would not expect to find one real cheap, though.

Phil
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Value of a PDP-11,VAX-11/750?
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:56:03 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman) writes:
> I regularly run 2 RL01, 2 RK07, 11/34 cpu, 120W of lights, on the same
> 15A circuit. It's pretty close to the limit though -- adding anything

Well, you will put up with crappy 110V power.  230V or thereabouts power
as used in the civilised world lets you get a lot more amps before the
breaker goes or the fuse blows.

I've had:
	11/34A w/ 2xRL01, DSD440, Hazeltine Esprit terminal
	MicroPDP11/23
	Amiga 1000
	PC/AT
	Kaypro II
	Epson printer
	VT100
and miscellaneous modems and domestica running happilly on one 10A circuit.
The only time I ever blew a fuse was the night the power controller on the
11/34's cabinets failed (the machine wasn't turned on at the time).  (I took
out two more finding out what had broken though.... 8-)  The wiring in the
flat was a bit suspect, but I never saw any problems.

--
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Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
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From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Command completion (warstyle thread) ( Was: You know you've been...)
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:02:54 GMT

In article <1d82l5INNfv4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.222011.14968@leland.Stanford.EDU>, alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:
>> In article <1d2ogcINN40f@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>> >> Version has to be the BEST file handling mechinasm ever.
>> >Yes, does it get used anywhere outside the DEC world? Pity it never made it
>> >into other OSes.
>> 
>> Are you saying it was only in VMS, or only in DEC OSes on various hardware?
>
>I think it was in all the DEC OSes which used Files-11 disks. RSX certainly had
>it, although with subtle differences in things like the PURGE command. On
>VMS, PURGE/KEEP=3 means 'keep the last three versions', but on RSX it means
>'keep the current version, and up to three consecutive numbers back'.
>
>If you had files with numbers  ;6  ;4 and ;3, VMS will keep them all, RSX
>will discard ;3.
>
>I can't remember about RSTS/E

It was also in Tops-20, derived from TENEX, which ran on the PDP-10.  As well
as in ITS on the PDP-6 and PDP-10.

The front-end processor on a -20 was an 11/40, running a version of RSX-11M
called RSX-20F, so we had both the Twenex file system and FILES-11.
-- 
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                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
From: koos@kzdoos.hacktic.nl (koos van den hout)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Line p?p?Printer Pictures
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 10:32:21 GMT
Organization: HIN / BBS Koos z'n Doos
NewsSoftware: Rnf 0.7b

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:

>>  probably a faq but can't find that.  Anybody know where I can ftp some
>>line printer pictures?  Have heard there are mona lisa, enterprise, and some
>>others that I can't remember.
>     (I'm probably gonna regret this...)

Yep...

>     I have about 7 megabytes of this stuff, ranging from simple
>calendar girls through multiply-overprinted digitized photos of
>Einstein, the moon, etc. that you paste up into newspaper-quality
>pictures several feet square.
>
>     Unfortunately I don't have FTP access.  I could make disk
>copies of the files via snail mail, though...

Maybe you can set up a deal with the manager of an ftp site so you can mail him
a stack of floppy disks and then announce "Get'em there!" instead of starting
your own floppy-disk-mail-order business ;-)

There are ftp sites (Simtel) that accept entries over E-mail.

Gatekeeper.dec.com has a nice collection of everything and the rest, maybe
the're interested (mail ftp@gatekeeper.dec.com).

(I'm interested, but I'll wait for the ftp deal..)

                                        Grtx. KH

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From: sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Computer Museum (Was: Re: 8L)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:59:11 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, CITI
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sinshan.citi.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov4.231804.21903@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.185210.13302@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.174419.9683@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:

[Much complaining about the Computer Museum selling surplus items and
defense that all museums do this...]

Since cjl is usually more rational than he seems here, I suspect that
we are having a "ships passing in the night" conversation.  I, at
least, would understand the argument better if we could make the
discussion a little more concrete (I am an engineer, after all).  For
example (and apologies if I missed a post which answers these):

What exactly is the museum selling?  I might react differently to
selling punch cards than to pieces of ENIAC.

To who are they selling?  Again, it might make a difference if it's to
other museums or to junk dealers.

How much are they selling?

thanks,


(Sarr Blumson)
From: russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: 8L
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:22:53 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Nov9.005759.2945@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>Correct, we aren't talking about dinosaur bones; there are *more* of that
>kind of artifact available than early machine parts, but I still don't
>see a clear mandate from paleontologists to sell the bones to the public
>for use on Halloween.

Well, actually, most of the local paleontologists were complaining
that the government went and "protected" a favorite bone hunting area
because it kept the public out (this is in reference to the badlands
areas near the Farmington New Mexico area).  Their complaint was that
the public would bring them the interesting bones that they found, and
by allowing and encouraging the public to search in the area many more
bones came to light than would have otherwise.

So the local natural history museum is encouraging folks to get out
and pick up otherwise collectable bones.  Pretty close to selling in
my eyes.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home   bbxrbk!russ@bbx.basis.com
Will hack unix for food
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:42:06 -0500 
From: Tod McQuillin <tm8t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: FORTRAN food synthesizer program
	<1992Nov13.123108.28930@umbc3.umbc.edu>

cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
> I wish I had C source code for this, but one thing I did was try to compile it
> as is in fortran on a DEC Unix Machine and a SGI Irix machine. On both it
> complained about an undefined dbl_ and I do not know fortran at all so beyond
> trying to run it through the compiler I am lost. Yes! I did edit out the
> message header and all that junk so that is not my problem.

I compiled it just fine with f77.  Had to change the DBL(5.) to
DBLE(5.) though.
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From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.non.sequitur
Subject: Re: Don't you hate it when...
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:38:32 +0100
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <1992Nov04.204157.21441@sco.com> ruthc@sco.COM (cross index) writes:


>In article <1992Oct26.181030.20385@cheshire.oxy.edu> wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf) writes:
>>In article <tlukka.720117466@vipunen.hut.fi> tlukka@vipunen.hut.fi (Tuomas Lukka) writes:

>> Well, I have thi  keyboard that, every  o often, the ' ' key goe  out on, and
>>only return  to working order after I hit it several time  with a wet  almon.
>>Really a bummer,  ince it inevitably ha  the  mell of fi h  afterward ...

>I believe the word "terminak" was coined for a similar reason.  the
>keyboard would send a 'k' instead of an 'l' when the 'l' key was typed.
>it'd send 'k's with the 'k' key as well...

>"the key to the right of the 'k' key is broken on this terminak"

What's wrong with the ";"-key? What's a "ley"? B-{)
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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Unix administration horror stories.
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:13:45 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <5k53TB3w165w@mertwig.UUCP> xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>
>> The problem is that there are no *free* 286 unix packages like there are
>> for the 386 (386BSD and Linux).  The cost of buying the commercial
>
>Which is better, 386BSD or Linux?
>
>Here goes .... <grin>

... and there it went.

Sorry, no takers on that one.  I set up the system that I found easiest to
comprehend based on the initial reading of installation notes.  Now that
it's installed, it works fine, doesn't crash, has all the features I need,
and would be a pain in the arse to remove and/or switch to something else.
I have only used one system and I am not qualified to judge others I have
not used.


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Information Technology Division    |     Writable incoming directory on:
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |         redspread.css.itd.umich.edu 

  <Representing myself.  Everything I say is for educational use only.>
From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: command abbreviation
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 08:50:52 EST
Organization: LORC Enterprises

shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
> > >>  pip dest <-  source
> > >>where the left arrow was a valid character on KSR38s and other wild machi
> > >
> > >[...] about two thirds of our teletypes (ASR33's mostly) had the
> > >back-arrow as the shift-O character.
> > 
> > So, on those ASR-33's that *didn't* have the mutant shift-O, you would type
> > 	pip dest _ source
> Which meant that on later displays and printers one ended up reading
> old code that looked like:
> 
>   x _ x + 1;
> 
> (Shudder..) Worse, some of the *really* *crusty* old-timers continued
> to write code like that, too..
> 
> (Another digression: the original X11 font called "variable" had a
> back-arrow where one would expect an "_").

And the original TRS-80 had a back arrow in place of the _.  In fact, it had
a full set of arrows, replaced the [\]_ group.  [ was an up arrow, and, of 
course, Tandy's programmers used the up arrow for exponentetiation, so, instead
of saying (as in C) x**y to mean x to the power y, on the TRS-80 you said
X[Y (of course, that was an up arrow there!  And the TRS-80 is uppercase only
(at least unmodified model I's))...  Made things REAL interesting when the model
III came along with [\]_ instead of the four arrows....

> Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com

--

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From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:36:45 GMT

In article <Mf0=nre00iUx8=Zlc8@andrew.cmu.edu> Samuel Roy Helwig <sh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>    ATM == Automatic Teller Machine
>
>                --Sam

Why, thank you Sam. I'm glad you cleared that up for us all.

mdw

-- 
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Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "She's like jelly roll, like sculpture!"
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: command abbreviation
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
>I write:
>>... I've just recently been learning
>>perl, where $_ is the default operand of a lot of commands, and @_ is the
>>array in which subroutine parameters are passed.  D'you suppose Larry Wall
>>might've spent some time programming in SPL...?
>
>Unlikely, he'd surely adopted the SPL's usage of 's as word separators
>in identifiers (instead of now-common underscores) :-)
>
>It was great to write C'MON, DARLING in a parameters list :-)

Ah, but he uses ' as the separator between a package name and the name of the
packaged variable.  Does that count??

>--vadim

	Seth "the Lesser"

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