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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2pt conversion (was Re: Stupid rules)
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:30:40 GMT
 <1992Aug19.160517.24778@esd.dl.nec.com> <BtAKCK.2M2@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>

In article <BtAKCK.2M2@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
(IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) says:
>Why the debate about OT versus 2-pt conversion? Why are they mutually
>exclusive in the eyes of many of you? What would be wrong with having both?

     I guess it's because if there were overtime, there wouldn't be many
2-point conversions attempted.  In college ball it seems like they're almost
always tried when a team is trailing by one before the conversion or a team
is hopelessly behind.  The latter usually winds up burying the losing team
even further, while I can't imagine a professional coach going for the former
when he has the option of overtime.  Not with the pressure and media that
come with the job.  So I couldn't really imagine seeing too many interesting
two-point attempts being made with overtime available.
     I know that there are other occasions to use the two-point conversion,
such as when you're losing by two before the conversion, but that doesn't
seem to happen all that frequently...
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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: Bronco Tidbits
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.220950.28754@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.192431.11468@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.164002.12065@vexcel.com> tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug17.150242.11123@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>>>>
>>>>3. Shawn Moore looked great again in his very short stint.  He was 3-4 with
>>>>a TD pass to B. Johnson (who also looked good).  Moore left the game with
>>>>an injured (non-throwing) shoulder.  It is unclear how bad that injury is.
>>>
>>>I wondered what happened there, sure seemed like he was taken out quickly.
>>>Interesting that Pelleur didn't play a down!  Looks like we'll lose the loser!
>>
>>So what is the deal with Moore in Denver?  Having followed him in college, I 
>>know what he is capable of but drafting Maddux in the first round wasn't a 
>>good sign.  He is playing extremely well but Reeves is notorious for his "my  
>>way or the highway" philosophy.  Can someone in Bronco country tell me the 
>>scoop.
>>
>>Keith
>
>Here is all I know:
>
>He spent all of last year on the taxi squad.  He went to WLAF to get a chance
>to play over the summer and was beat out by some guy and only played a few
>downs.  I'd say right now he has a chance to be the #3 guy but I don't think
>he could ever be a started in Denver.  Perhaps he will be Maddox' backup when
>Elway retires.
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
>  BRONCOS!!        R.S.F.P. Internet Football Pool Organizer        BRONCOS!!
>               Owner, Boulder Houlders --- Owner, Colorado 14ers
From what I saw of the Miami game, Moore looked a bit more composed on the field
than did Maddox. I would not be surprised to see Moore be the number two man 
and start if Elway becomes injured (this is his tenth season; it has got to
happen sometime).

Peter Brown
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUCKLEY SIGNS!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:22:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug20.153954.23125@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...

>    As the title says, Terrell Buckley signed a contract yesterday. Of course
>    it was with the Atlanta Braves. 

Ya know, Salty, a local TV station pulled this same thing and I 
actually called the station to complain.  But since it's you I guess 
it's okay. :-)

> He supposedly will report to the Winter
>    Instructional League from Sept. 15 to Oct. 31. The bonus is said to be in
>    the 10-20K range, a far cry from 2.something bonus GB is offering. Buckley
>    obviously wasn't an economics major at FSU. Of course, thinking about FSU's
>    storied academic history, maybe he was an econ major.

10-20K!  Buckley must be nuts - nobody's *that* stupid.  I'll bet he 
signs the day before the season starts so he doesn't miss a paycheck.  
If he doesn't, then I'll really think he's crazy.

[Deletions]
>    querie (sp?) about his holdout. Ruettgers said (as he was walking away 
>    from the reporter) "Just take everything I've said the last two years
>    after holdouts. Go back to your notes. It's not my fault if you don't
>    have your notes." Hmmmmm...well it looked funnier on the news last night.

I think it's pretty good. 

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Novacek to 49ers?
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:46:14 GMT

In article <2232@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>It was reported in today's Austin-American Statesman that there are
>"rumors out of the Metroplex", i.e. Dallas, that the Cowboys are trying
>to shop Novacek to San Francisco.  Has anyone else heard this?

The Niners got Brent Jones, who is as good as Novacek.  So there is no
reason for this trade.

Edward Hui
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:52:56 GMT

In article <vamplew.714190846@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:
>I know this is a pretty stupid question, but I've never been able
>to get a decent answer to this. Why does the fullback stand in
>front of the halfback? (and I don't want 100 messages saying "So
>he can block for the halfback").
>
>What I mean is that the name seems confusing. It would make more sense
>to have the quarterback, then the halfback and then the fullback, right?
>
>I know that halfbacks tend to be called tailbacks now, which lessens 
>the problem, but it still seems odd. Back in the dim dark mists of the
>past, was the fullback ever the guy furthest back from the line of 
>scrimmage? If so, when did this change?
>
>Yours in confusion
>
>Peter Vamplew
>
>Bengals fanatic and holder of the world record for greatest distance
>covered through the air after being blocked (estimated at five yards
>backwards with a maximum elevation of around 6 feet).

This is just a dumb guess, and it really depends on who the fullback is and who
the halfback is, but they probably call a halfback a halfback because he is
half the size of a fullback...

This is of course true only if Iron Head Heyward is the fullback, and Dave  
Meggett or Darrin Nelson is the halfback...

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

I bleed purple.
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A good laugh for Fin fans
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1992Aug17.163837.16454@makesys.com>, john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.171139.2239@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
> >Guess who is injured and sitting on the bench? Guess which RB can't
> >play much yet? 
> >
> >Sammie Smith!!! I can hardly stand it! What a hoot. How do you like
> >him Denver?
> 
> Didn't hear the nature of Bobby's ding though. It
> supposedly happened in the first half. Anybody see the game? I had to go to a
> stupid family reunion with my in-laws and missed it all :~( ugh! And of
> course I forgot to program the VCR before we left, what a great weekend, NOT!
> I'm hoping this is not a scalpel type injury, how I hate it when that happens.

Bobby got a few bruised ribs during the second series. It didn't look
serious at all, but I think they held him out just to be safe.

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears news and notes
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:34:11 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Tom Wolf) writes:
>> = (Christopher P. Riff) writes:

>>Ditka promises more discipline.  

>Don't we hear this promise every year from Ditka? Seems to be his answer
>for just about every problem. 

Which coach doesn't?  Ditka has brought Bear fans 7 division titles and a
wild card since, and including, 1984.  The wusses that coached the Bears
the previous 15 years sucked horribly.

>Tom Wolf - one who still remembers Ditka throwing gum at the fans

Steve Novak - one who still remembers that the shrieking Chargers fan in
question was bitch enough to bring a lawsuit in the matter

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From: elwolf@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Ethan Wolf)
Subject: Broncos/Doplphins (also Broncos-Eagles) tickets
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:07:52 GMT


A friend is currently in Dublin and really needs to get some tickets for the
Bronco-Dolphin game in Berlin this weekend.  If anyone has any info about
getting tickets, please send responses to:

	elwolf@theory.lcs.mit.edu


Also, if anyone has some Bronco-Eagle tickets (4 hopefully) for Sept 20 they
want to unload, send responses to the same place.

Thanks
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Vikings blow out KC
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:10:11 GMT

That's right, the lowly Vikings defeated the Chief (Super Bowl favorites) at
the Dome tonight by the score of 30-0.  You read correctly. 30-0.

The Chiefs offense was stuck in the mud for the entire first half with Kreig
at the helm.  Meanwhile, Salisbury looked sharp for the Vikes (the stats may
show otherwise, but he had several balls that were perfectly thrown and just
dropped, plus he had a completion to C. Carter ruled out of bounds), and Roger
Craig scored from 3 yards out to give the Vikes a 10-0 lead in the first.  This
coming after a 48-yard FG by Reveiz.  Then the KC special teams collapsed, as a
horrible snap in punt formation was scooped up by the punter, Barker, in his 
own end zone.  By that time, the pressure had arrived, and he dropped the ball
in the end zone.  Bavaro recovered for the Vikes, and it was 20-0.  Oops, forgot
another field goal by Reveiz, this one from 42.   

Second half, more of the same.  The Chiefs O sputtered while Rich Gannon made
his pre-season debut.  He was even sharper than Salisbury.  I don't have the
exact stats on hand, but he didn't misfire very often.  On one play, Gannon
dropped back to pass, but the Vikes 2nd string line was in and couldn't hold 
the KC rush.  Well, Gannon slips a tackle and a loss of about 15 yards, and 
starts scrambling.  He finally spots Terry Obee downfield for a 12 yard gain.
Gannon also threw a touchdown pass of about 25 yards to Barker.  Nice pass, but
a better catch.  Roman Anderson kicked a 38 yard field goal to finish the    
scoring at 30-0.

IMHO, if the Chief expect to be in the Super Bowl, they had better find a QB
quick because neither Kreig nor Vlasic is going to get them there.

Also, IMHO, the Vikings are really going to suprise some teams this year, and 
may even make the playoffs.  They have looked sharp against two very good
defenses, and not just their second and third strings either.  The Chief played
their starting defense into the third quarter, when the score was already 20-0.

Next week, the Vikes take on the Browns at Cleveland.  Game is on Monday, Aug.
24, at 5:00 CDT.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

I bleed purple.


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 AUG 92 08:43:19    

In article <1992Aug13.201523.20484@mr.med.ge.com>, frigo@asiago.med.ge.com (Fred Frigo 5-5806) writes...

>Favre has a canon for an arm, but seems very slow.  With
>the poor offensive line that the Packer's have, he'd be a
>sitting duck.  His first pass against Kansas City was also
>intercepted.  Favre has off-field problems.  Rumor is that
>he is a partier.  He got arrested during the off-season
>down South during some argument he had at a bar.

There was a long article in the Packer Report on this arrest thing.  
His side of the story is that he was having an argument with his 
girlfriend in a bar and some guy who recognized him as a (but didn't 
know him) tried to interfere.  Favre says *he* was the one who got hit 
and that he hit no one.  Favre was charged with disorderly conduct but 
*not* assault or anything like that so this part of his story is 
supported by the facts.

The writer of the article believes that the other guy just wanted to 
take on the big shot pro football player.  Tuaolo was also arrested 
and Favre said the only thing he's guilty of is being present at the 
time of the incident.

>The linebackers are solid. Gabe Mokwauh, a rookie, started
>against Kansas City and should be a solid backup.   Bryce
>Paup and Noble are holding out still.

Paup signed yesterday.  Who did Mokwauh start for?  I know Burnell 
Dent started in place of Noble.  Doesn't Johnny Holland have a minor 
injury?  Maybe he started for Holland.

>The Offensive live may be Mandarich-less this year.  Tony
>is having a rough time staying in the line-up.  He is a very
>quiet guy these days.  No bragging, no boasting ... and for good
>reason.  Rumored trades sending Reuttgers to the Raiders for
>Marcus Allen have apparently fallen through.  The first string
>offensive line stayed in the game until late in the 4th quarter
>against Kansas City.  They need all the work they can get!

Right now the Packers 1st string OL is mostly second stringers.  
Kenny Ruettgers is still holding out, Rich Moran just signed 
yesterday, and James Campen is injured.  Some of the players in 
the 1st string OL played the whole game (like Mandarich).  But 
there were plenty of substitutions at the rest of the positions.

Mandarich is in the hospital today being examined for some mysterious 
ailment (Waiver-itis maybe?).  To be fair, if he is sick it could 
account his even worse than usual showing.

As far as him being quiet goes - he's going to have a TV show this 
year.  Doesn't mean he's going to start bragging himself up again but 
I wouldn't call that quiet.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Dallas Cowboys Q & A
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.202502.29060@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
   with the world.  The quest for a #3 appears to be dead in Craig Kupp
>: (the 6'6" behemoth) unless they still have need of a signal shield on
>: the sidelines (ala last year).  The career of Jason Garrett needs help
>: as well, more help than his Cowboys scout father can provide.
>
>Actually, word around here is that Garrett will get the #3 job ahead
>of Kupp...  Kupp got no action vs. Miami, and I don't remember seeing
>him play against Houston either.  Didn't see the Miami game, but I
>thought Garrett looked fairly decent against the Oilers.
>

Yeah, that is what I was trying to say.  I don't think Kupp has much
of a chance, but I think that Garrett has only a slightly better one.
Kupp and Garrett were among about 7 players who didn't play AT ALL
against the Dolphins, something that could hurt their chances for
sure.  Recent cuts that got little to no playing time include Tony
Jordan (RB), Swift Burch (DL), and Tony Burse (RB).  Will the Cowboys
keep three QB's?  9 DLinemen?  5 RB?  5 WR?  3TE?  Who gets those
elusive 45, 46, 47 spots on the roster??

*ice*
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:33:02 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen) writes:
>In <23517@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes
>:
>>Rypien's
>>1991 base salary was $1.25 million.
>
>For some reason, I thought he made a lot less than that.  I thought I heard
>stuff like how great of a deal the Redskins were getting, etc.

In early 1990, Rypien refused to sign a three-year, $240,000 per season 
contract and opted to play out his option.  Because of his decision, 
Rypien's salary for 1990 was $330,000.  Rypien was NFL's 14th lowest-paid 
quarterback.

Last year the Redskins and Rypien couldn't agree on a long-term deal;
Rypien agreed on a one-year, $1.25 million contract after a 10-day holdout.
He got an extra $250,000 in incentives and also turned down a three-year
offer that was still on the table; Rypien was gambling that he would 
play well and thus force the Redskins to increase his pay dramatically.
Rypien's gamble did pay off when he threw for 28 touchdowns in leading
the Redskins to Super Bowl XXVI where he was named MVP.

The Redskins have won 22 of Rypien's last 26 starts.  Rypien didn't throw
a single interception in his own end of the field last season.


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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: 49er tidbits...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:50:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.150502.16440@makesys.com>,

john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:

>And to top off the QB pressure woes looks like the outstanding pass rusher
>Charles Haley will undergo a scope on his knee and may miss some playing
>time according to KGO radio this morning. Too bad guys, the 6th of Sep. is
>rapidly approaching. BTW how's Fagan's knee? I caught the last bit of a
>story on him yesterday on KGO and didn't get the gist of it, just that he
>is having knee problems didn't hear the severity of the situation. I like
>to keep up on former Canes even if they don't play for the Phins. If Kevin
>and Charles both miss much playing time it could be a long season for the 9er
>defensive line, not to say that those two rookies you have aren't any good, in
>fact they've impressed me, but who's gonna back them up if they should get hurt?
>Anyway good luck to the 9ers and the Raiders this year. Hope to see you in the
>SB and playoffs respectively.

>John T.

Fagan had some surgery done on his knee a few months ago. I believe
it was around March. So Kevin is just healing up, and should be back
by the season opener.
And Haley had some minor scoping done on his knee a few days ago. He
should be back in time for the season opener too.  I don't think the
DL really has anything to worry about at this point.

Now you really don't want to see the Raiders in the SB do you? :->
I thought you were a Dolphins fan?  Only one AFC team can be there
as you know! :->

                                                       Tony
                                                    GO 49ERS!!!
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:12:51 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
	<1992Aug13.162728.23427@cs.ucf.edu>

>
This morning's paper suggested the Dolphins might trade Secules or
Mitchell for San Diego's nose tackle. I forget the nt's name.
>

well, the SD/Washington trade has already gone through, but I seriously
doubt that Beathard would trade a defensive player worth trading at this
stage in the game, unless he got another defensive player in the
trade.....right now, his best bargaining chips are draft choices, and
that was indeed what he used....hopefully he/we won't regret it.

--Vernon.
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:07:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug19.200206.27041@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>>
>>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>>     Ty Detmer           ????????
> 
>How about... 
>      Barry Sanders       Detroit 
>      Andre Ware          Detroit 
>      Vinnie Tesaverrde   Tampa Bay
>      Doug Flutie         Toronto Argos...(CFL)
>      George Rodgers      Washington?????
>      Mike Rozier 	  Atlanta??????


Flutie plays for the British Columbia Lions of the CFL, not Calgary (as another
post said) or Toronto (as this post says).  The QB for Toronto is former
Minnesota Gopher great Rickey Foggie (he had quite a season with the Argos last
year, too).

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

I bleed purple (Woof, woof).

>
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:32:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chocaholics Anonymous

Our own ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) states :
>
>The Detroit Lions have two other Heisman trophy winners on the team
>besides Barry Sanders, they are Andre Ware and Chuck Long.       


	CHUCK LONG?!? He didn't win the Heisman, did he?

- Vince

-- 
                Vince Rhee |
  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | ...and I would have gotten away with it, too,
         Department of ECE | if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!
       University of Texas |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb)
Subject: Top 10 Passers 1991
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:48:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

			1991 NFL Top Ten Passers

                          Pct       Ave      Pct          Pct      Yds
                  Att Com Com  Yds  Gain  TD TD  Long Int Int Sack Lost   Rating
Young, Steve      279 180 64.5 2517 9.02  17 6.1 t97   8  2.9  13   79     101.8
Rypien, Mark	  421 249 59.1 3564 8.47  28 6.7 t82  11  2.6   7   59      97.9
Kelly, Jim	  474 304 64.1 3844 8.11  33 7.0 t77  17  3.6  31  227      97.6
Bono, Steve	  237 141 59.5 1617 6.82  11 4.6  78   4  1.7  11   91      88.5
Kosar, Bernie	  494 307 64.1 3487 7.06  18 3.6 t71   9  1.8  41  232      87.8
Aikman, Troy	  363 237 65.3 2754 7.59  11 3.0  61  10  2.8  32  224      86.7
Marino, Dan	  549 318 57.9 3970 7.23  25 4.6  54  13  2.4  27  182      85.8
Hostetler, Jeff   285 179 62.8 2032 7.13   5 1.8  55   4  1.4  20  100      84.1
Krieg, Dave	  285 187 65.6 2080 7.30  11 3.9  60  12  4.2  32  216      82.5
Moon, Warren	  655 404 61.7 4690 7.16  23 3.5 t61  21  3.2  23  174      81.7