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From: MPFOSTER@mtus5.cts.mtu.EDU (Wulfgar Silberbar)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Face thrusts (ooh, another fighter's topic! : )
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:51:28 GMT
Organization: The Internet

As much as I dislike ressurecting dead horses, merely to whip them to death
again, I feel like contributing my two bits to the arguement this time (I
know it started out as someone asking how people feel about face thrust, but
I KNOW it will become a full-blown arguement...)

I live in the Midrealm, where there is no face thrusting (but where we are
now instituting combat archery, in which javelins (force of a single-handed
thrust) will be allowed to strike the face... that makes no sense!). I
support the idea of face-thrusting. I think it would be a good thing. I
support anything that makes our combat more authentic. For those who say
that face thusting was not done in period tourneys, I turn you attention to
the cover of the 1985 Midrealm Marshal's Handbook (the most current copy
my canton posseses), which shows a woodcut (?) of a tourney being fought,
in which the combatants are wielding short polearms (like SCA polearms),
and one has just thrust his weapon into the other's face (protected by a
full helm, of course).
Others will argue that it is not safe. Other kingdoms do it. They seem to
have no problem with it. If you can take a blade to the face, then you should
be able to take a thrust to the face (I support the touch-thrust idea of
face thrusting, but wouldn't really mind a full force thrust rule). Here
is the point where people will argue the physics of a thrust versus a hack...
I stay out of physics as much as possible...
If javelins are safe enough to hit you in the face, why not other weapons?

If anybody lives in a kingdom with full-force face-thrusting, please tell
me more about it. How is it done? What helm requirements are there?

Wulfgar Silberbaer, quite pleased with all the fighting related topics
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Membership requirements
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:46:44

Residency requirements in my area of Ansteorra would be a bad thing -- Dallas and Fort Worth (Steppes & Elfsea baronies) are only an hour apart, and have a lot of cross-over population.  Our former Minister of Children lived on the far side of Fort Worth, one of our Rapier Marshalls resided in Arlington, which is just to the west of the Boundary Line between the two groups.  The standard rule of thumb here is "If you're interested enough in a group to be an officer, and you play there anyway, you will prob


ably make a good officer for them."  Of course, their memberships are counted for whichever group they actually reside in, even if they play all of the time in the other one.  It evens out, we have Elf-Steppers and Steppe-Sea-ers, and one young lady who is indefatigible and comes to as much as possible in both groups, and has awards for service from both!

-Vashti, Central Region Seneschal, Ansteorra


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From: ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Persona & Classes
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:10:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MduP_H_00WB6EN6YVl
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Most worshipful Tadg (sorry I didn't save the speelling) and good
company of readers, I recommend me to you.

Tadhg (does that look better?) writes:

= That she withheld knowledge seems apparent from the original post; how much
= evidence do you require? I'm not arguing against withholding knowledge, for
= which (as you point out) there may have been many legitimate reasons. All
= I'm saying is the way she did it was an ill-considered one.

This sounds to me that the people here disagreeing with you see
persona, or the use of persona in a fundamentally different way
than you do. I personally think her way of speaking on the sub-
ject was quite well considered. She is using persona to enhance
the awareness of her students as to how things usually were at
the time she lives. 

She is not truly withholding knowledge.  Firstly, her students 
may learn of this form from another source besides herself. 
Also, from the story, we do not know what kinds of references
she has to the form.  So students can go up to her after class
and ask more about that particular form and she can give references.

Personally, I do not truly use my persona all the time.  I am a 
herald. I haven't documented women being heralds during my time
frame.  But I love doing heraldic research and crying announcements.
I started that before I was very into persona.  And I won't give it
up.  However, if I'm trying to teach a class from the perspective
of my persona, I probably won't be teaching a class on heraldry.

It seems to me that you think that no-one can have fun doing things
from the basis of thier persona. If this impression is incorrect,
please correct it. If not, I wonder who gave you this impression,
or what brought you to this conclusion?

I enjoy playing the SCA both ways, with a concrete medieval persona
and with a looser current middle ages persona. I see no reason to
have to abandon one for the other. Both are useful and both can be
educational. Written the Monday of Holy Week, from my home in the 
Debatable Lands.

Su segura servidora,
            Esmeralda
From: gerbil@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (John Patrick Sawyer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: :travel distance
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:29:36 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix

The only comment I have on this issue is that to get to the nearest
commonly held S.C.A. meetings within my Barony of Stormhold, Lochac
Mundanely Melboune Australia, is 1 hour at least and to get to my Art
and Sciences meeting it can take longer please remember this when you
complain and there are people who are a lot worst of than I because I
actually live in the city where the Barony is based! There are many
other places in Lochac where this is not the case
	Yours truely Lord Thomas Flamanc Of Kelsale 
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|John Sawyer 3rd Year Mechanical Engineering Student		      |		
|Monash University						      |	
|Let the Gerbils Live in Peace      				      |
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Unpronounceable names
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:17:14 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Greetings from Arval!  Brynjolfr Myrkjartanarson (what's so hard about
that?) wrote:
> 
> The correct pronunciation for Llwellyn, from what I've heard, (I'm of Welsh
> background mundanely) goes something like "Looethlin"... the first double-l
> is pronounced differently.

Not quite right.  The standard Welsh spelling of the name is Llewelyn.  The
doubling of the second "l" is an English scribal error, one of many
documented for this name.  The pronunciation of the initial letter Ll has
been correctly described by others.  Medieval English scribes transcribed
it variously as "Fl", "Thl", "Hl", "L", etc.  A reasonable English version
of the correct pronunciation is "Thloo-EL-in".

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Persona & Classes
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:05:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Apr9.080819.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair) writes:

>      The teacher's obligation is contained in the word: to teach. To impart
>knowledge. I wonder how a comp sci major would like it if one of their
>teachers said "there's this nifty little binary tree search algorithm which
>neatly avoids the problems we've just been discussing, but I won't clue you in
>on it." Frustrating, no?

Actually, this happens quite often, because there isn't time in the typical
computer-science course to cover every possible algorithm within the field
of interest,  Or the teacher may want the student to learn to use the
available resources (library, etc) to find the answer himself.   

>     As is the case anywhere, if you don't tell people something, they can't
>know it. 

How do you know?  I didn't tell you that?  And since I have "withheld" that
information, obviously, you can't know it.

>      This does not seem to be the point. The point is more that to bring up
>something from your time, of which you have some passing knowledge, and then
>not follow it up is....irksome. I see nothing in all this indicating that the
>topic was beyond their temporal sphere.

Take this out of an SCA context.  A professor starts out by remarking
on the car trouble that almost made him late for class, and says "thank
God I made it."  He has brought up two topics, cars and God, about which
he has some passing knowledge.  Is it irksome that he doesn't follow up
with a full discussion of each?  (Neither one, after all is outside his
temporal sphere, so he should be prepared to talk about them).
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Asimov
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:56:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.9204071756.AA16990
Organization: The Internet


Well, the bad news is true: Asimov died Monday April 6 of heart and
kidney failure.  I don't recall him _ever_ mentioning anything about
his SCA membership, even though I've read about a hundred of his books
(i.e., slightly less than one fifth), including his autobiography, so
I suspect he was not a SCAdian.  Knowing Asimov, he probably died in
the middle of a paragraph . . . because of his death, the North
American continent will _not_ be subducted into the asthenosphere by
the combined weight of Asimov books.

Well, I suppose that means Arthur is the last survivor of the Big
Three.

Jeff Suzuki
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ar917@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kristin S. Manzuk)
Subject: welsh surnames
Reply-To: ar917@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kristin S. Manzuk)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:33:58 GMT


My sister-in-law is seeking books from which she can get ideas for 
her name.  She has only gotten a first name and wishes a last.
She is interested in a welsh persona.  She would be grateful on any 
suggestions of possible books.

                                Brigid ni Ghradaigh
             
-- 
"Seek the Truth first and last in all matters,          |  Kristin Manzuk
Truth is the way and the goal of the enlightened life." |     (ar917)
            -On the History and Truth of the Unicorn-
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Magick
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:28:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr16.212811.23834
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Ok, I can't stand it anymore... *What* is "the history of Cardano's equation?"

(And, er, who was Cardano?)

Moreach
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in SF/Authors
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:49:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr15.174915.1702
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <shk4eINNp8s@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <9204141554.aa28298@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi) writes:
>>
>>I have heard that Esther Friesner and Ketherine
>>ahem, Katherine Kurts are also SCAdians.  Can
>>anyone confirm this?
>
>I don't know about Friesner. (remaining text deleted)

Fer sure.  In the backs of several of her books, particularly a delightful 
little short story entitled _Ecce Hominid_, she blatantly confesses to being
an active and participating member.


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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: More membership???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:30:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <702797969.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:
>The Society had grown too large????  Too many participants at events???  
>Well, shucks, we'll just tell the hospitalier to cease welcoming newcomers 
>then.... in about 5 years, there won't be any members 
>(most Society members stay only 3-4 years), and that Duke should be happy... 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Where, pray tell, did this most interesting figure come from? From
among my aquaintance, if they stay after the first year, they are hooked for
good.
							-Ilaine
-- 
Liz Stokes         |    Ilaine's EZ-garb workshop:
Ilaine de Cameron  |
                   |    "First, take a sheep. Start with a small one ..."
ilaine@panix.com   |
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Weapons Inspections at Wars
Keywords: weapons inspection
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:43:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr16.214351.24444
Organization: Open Communications Forum

In article <1992Apr16.110821.1884@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Michael Squires" <mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>At Pennsic there have been two schools:  each kingdom/large group should
>inspect itself or the inspections should be centrally administered and
>run.  The people who want the first think that the second form is either
>too difficult to run or nearly impossible to run properly; the people
>who want the second don't trust some of the groups to inspect their
>own equipment.
>
>-- 
>Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
>mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408



Well then, milord... Surely they should do both. Nothing can be harmed by
inspecting it twice, everyone will be doubly assured, and the few things that
might get missed by one will likely be causght be the other. You might ask that
the various groups pre-inspect early, for the sake of efficiency.

Moreach
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 05:09:12

TT>I'm not sure if any of our furry friends hang out here (except for
TT>Conan, who tells me that he's a regular lurker [and nobody better laugh 
TT>- he's big enough to use that name!]), so I'll answer for them.  When   
TT>fighting under their rules,                                             
TT>the Tuchux calibrate as if they were wearing *no* armor at all. And it's
TT>not hard to see why, considering what some of them consider armor ...   

I don't know much about the Tuchux, but would like to hear more.
Of the little I have heard, I had thought that they used to wear
very little armour, but in the last few years have begun to armor
more.  This, of course, is entirely rumor.
___
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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic & Pittsburgh
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 19:46:16

Well, when I lived in the Shire of Mynydd Seren in the Midrealm, (Bloomington IN) our threat used to be "Be good or we'll send you to live in Wurmwald..." A Midrealm Barony,( Champaign-Urbana, IL ) -- which at the time had some grave problems with cliques.....   I hear they're much happier now.

of course, we also threatened to send them to Ansteorra....

so guess where I ended up?  ... and I love it!

--Vashti/ Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra  (Dallas, TX)

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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Disenchantment
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:07:08 -0500

I suggested:

 > Tell them that you wouldn't know of such things, but have heard
 > tell that it exists in the far-off Kingdom of Mundania...

cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu replies:

 -> Except that, as I understand, "Mundania" is a place-name in the
 -> endlessly self-referential novels of Piers Anthony

Oh.  Dang!  Lucky for me I hadn't *USED* that technique yet.

 -> but my husband and son read everything the varlet writes).

...while I obviously have hardly read a thing of his.

 -> Seems to mention
 -> such would be a worse "culture shock" than simply to refer to the
 -> 20th century.

<sigh>  Yup.  Another idea shot Down In Flames....  B-)

 -> Maybe there is a phrase we could use instead? that would indicate "the
 -> mundane world" unobtrusively and without referencing a clutch of books
 -> that by comparison make late 20th-century America look like The Enchanted
 -> Ground?  I invite suggestions.

Perhaps rather than indicate the setting where it DOES exist, react to the idea
with something like "I've never heard of such a thing!  It sounds rather
implausible.  I don't think that will ever { happen | be invented | whatever }
in OUR lifetimes!"


From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
From: vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:16:02 GMT
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.1

In message <9204071555.AA10023@isi.com>, Keradwc an Cai writes:
> Syr Otto, replying to Kwellend-Njal, wrote:
> 
> | >     a if the blow landed clean, and the method of delivery was one that
> | >would have allowed it to land with enough force to damage, then the
> |                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | >damage shall be acknowledged.
> |
> | This sounds like judging the "force" of the blow to me.  If the blow does
> | does not land "with enough force to do dammage" would it not be "light"?
> 
> Good my lord, that quoted section could as reasonably be used to counter
> the argument:
>   
> ...the method of delivery was one that would have allowed it to land...
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> 
> The actual force is not required, 'merely' that a form which would have
> permitted sufficient force be used.

My lord Sir knight, please consider Lord Keradwc's reply as my own, as
he has written exactly what I was planning on writing.  

For example, I know some fighters in the local area who appear to
throw a wrist shot that *does* land with sufficient force, in spite
of the fact that it appears to be all wrist.  Watching for a while,
I realized that the fighter I was watching was actually throwing 
something fairly complex, and what I first thought was all wrist was
really using a lot of body behind it.  The way I was taught doesn't rule
out taking a blow that you feel *did* have sufficient force behind it,
regardless of how it was thrown.

Basically, if someone lands what I know to be a clean blow, I'll take
it, regardless of the force behind it.  The problem for me comes when I'm
not sure if I caught a piece of it or not, and then I have to decide
based on my experience fighting.  Sometimes I take it, sometimes I don't.
Sometimes I'm wrong.  But I haven't had very many complaints over the years.
Sometimes I tell people that I didn't think that my blow was good on
them.  It is a matter of how I was taught and what I think gives me the
most fun out there.  And what I was taught includes honor, safty, and a
knowledge that we can *all* throw harder if we want to...  so lets not
want to.

Kwellend-Njal
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                                           {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend
                        "Te audire non possum.  Musa sapientum fixa est in aure."
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: Welsh jokes
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:43:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <9204141547.aa27812@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi) writes:
>Greetings to whomever reads this
>missive from Yaakov, may the
>Holy One afflict all tax collectors with
>boils upon their most sensitive regions.
>
>Around here, there is a running gag
>called 'vowels for Wales.' This is typically
>invoked if someone submits a welsh name, or
>someone mangles the pronounciation.
>People stick out their hands, as if begging
>for alms, and say "Vowels? Vowels for Wales?"
>There is a conflict of opinion as to what
>the Welsh did with their vowels.  My lady
>maintains they can't afford 'em, as vowels
>cost $250 and consenents are free.  I
>maintain that God gave the Welsh as many vowels
>as he gave anyone else, but they were so
>poor they had to sell them (I think to
>the Hawaiians) or eat them (which is
>why Welsh sounds so much like gagging.)

	I think we should all get on our respective modems and transmit
every queue we can find to Wales. :)



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                   |    "First, take a sheep. Start with a small one ..."
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Subject: Re: Has someone reversed the polarity of the neutron flow?
From: vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:03:24 -0500
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.1

"Duke Sir Yaakov" writes, sometime in the future:
>Not to mention the heartbreak of seeing
> everyone's favorite tripple-peer executed for
> subversion. I *miss* Dur.)

Yaakov, there is no 'r' in tipple.

Kwellend-Njal

---
                                           {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend
                        "Te audire non possum.  Musa sapientum fixa est in aure."
From: rhodes@usafa.af.MIL (Capt Michael Rhodes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Gaeliword for "valor"
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:45:13 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Milady Etain,

     Taliesin the Wandering Bard sends greetings.  You are searching for a
Gaelic word to translate "valor."  From Dineen's Irish English Dictionary come
the following possibilites:

          /
        crodhach- valor, might, bravery

        calmacht - bravery, courage, strength

        laochas - heroic

     I hope this will be of help to you.  Please don't hesitate to ask if there
is anything else I can do.

					Yours in Service to the Dream
					Taliesin the Wandering Bard
					Barony of Dragonsspine
					Kingdom of the Outlands
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: schuldy@bedford.progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: M-word: new ruling from Hilary
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:12:08 GMT

Ellisif quotes a new policy from the Seneschale of the East, requiring
membership to autocrat, and responds herself with:

  "Personal opinion: this is thoroughly unreasonable."


Gospodin Mikhail Nikolaevich Kramolnikov quotes second hand from the
Corporate Secretary:

                                               "Alyson Throckmorton, corporate 
  secretary, pointed out that the reason that autocrats must be members is 
  inherent in their ability to make contractual obligations for the SCA, Inc."

I'd be astonished to learn that the Society can only delegate responsibility
to members.  I'm aware that it is the _policy_ of the SCA to do so: I'm just
not convinced of the need.  I suspect that anyone empowered by the SCA can
execute contracts on it's behalf.

Can anyone tell me why the ability to send money to California makes one
more suited to being a temporary officer of the local group?  I thought the
liability insurance applied only to Directors of the Board, and their
directly appointed officers.

Even if the SCA Incorporated's liability insurance only applies to officers
who are members, why can't the organization allow officers to operate
without that protection, should they desire it?  And, if the insurance is
the reason, why didn't Alyson mention it?

	Tibor