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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: California, LA and other SCPians ....
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:39:38 GMT

In article <l6miotINNkhs@pollux.usc.edu> zubairas@pollux.usc.edu (Zubair Asad) writes:
>================================================================
>SCPians of Clifornia .... Everybody is writing about them!
>Why ? Are they supernatural ? I guess not SCPians from
>Texas, Ohio, Newzeland, Swirtzerland, Australia (you name it ...) 
>are equally nice!!! Did I mentioned Colorado ?
>("I hate to be pin-pointed later ... Wink!")
>
>Anyway if you are really planning to have a General Body
>meeting in LA then Hamzaad would like to invite all of you
>with following constraints ....
>
>    - Bring your own food
>    - Bring your own drink
>    - Bring your own spouse as I can't provide you on the spot!
>    - Don't bring Blondes with you as Disco-Maulvi (Can't say anything ..)
>    - Brother Moghal-i-Azam will conduct a Mujra ? 
>      (we are still working on it!!!)
>    - About your Dogs ... just don't let them access to Usenet ...
>      (no offence to any one :-) :-) :-) :-))
>

the meeting has to be held at KASHMIR HOUSE. a must and hopefully you will
invite brother hamza. Brother Hamza will tell us all about that indian ...
whats his name cant seem to remember ......... Anyway brother hamza was
supposed to meet him.

now wait a minute if we cant bring blondes atleast redheads ........

and what sorts of drinks, can i bring some orange juice, its special juice
made by my indian friend, its great but makes you slightly dizzy.

sahibzada rafay khan[when in doubt find a blonde]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasnie@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Rizwan Hasnie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistani Olympic Athletes
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:18:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul29.120123.26287@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
> 
> I would beg to differ....
> A Paksitani did win a medal in wrestling. I remember this guy with a beard
> apprearing on talk shows and "Nilaam Gha'r". Year I am not sure about. It was
> either 84 or 88.
> Pakistan did win medal in sailing. It was a guy a Karachi. I am 97% sure it
> was in olympics.
> 
> --nasir

 You are completely mixed up.

 The wrestling medal was won at Seoul Asian Games in 1986 by "that bearded       fellow" you are talking about. Unfortunately I do  not remember his name.

 Byram D.Avari & family have won many golds for Pakistan in yatching but 
 those have been only in Asiads and NEVER IN OLYMPIADS.

 Pakistan won a single medal i.e;GOLD in Hockey at LA in 84 Olympics.
 Pakistan won a single medal i.e;BRONZE in Boxing at Seoul in 88 Olympics--
 -- Courtesy Hussein Shah.

Rizwan.
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Karachi and Sind
Keywords: Pakistan,capital
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:58:22 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Jul23.201756.14817@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>In article <N1R-AP-@engin.umich.edu> chaudhry@schroedinger.engin.umich.edu (Iblees) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Probably I couldn't have stated it better. Specially, although the arguement
>that "my parents suffered this and this for XYZ kind of Pakistan" does have
>quite an emotional appeal, that's the only thing they have. But, as 
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
I'm sorry.. that should have been 'it has'.

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: DROPLET VOL 1, NO 1, PART 3
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:06:00 GMT

In article <9207222343.AA01157@eceserv2.ece.wisc.edu>, irfan@APOLLO.ECE.WISC.EDU (Irfan Alan) writes...
> 
>D R O P L E T
>From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an
> 
>Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman
>Said Nursi, 
> 
>The Risale-i Noor
> 
>VOL 1, No 1, Part 3
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> GIFT  OF  ISLAM  AND  IMAN In the Name of Allah, 
> 
>   .... garbage deleted
>
	Receiver's interpretation: GIFT above is GERMAN GIFT


Mirza Ilyas
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re languages of pakistan
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:13:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: RE: National language


>Just for the record: Urdu means army in Turkish (it's oldest influence is from
>the Turkic tribes who entered through Afghanistan from Central Asia).
>Thabhee kaihthay hain kay Urdu lashkaree zaban hay, which evolved to its
>high litereary status it enjoys today!



I am wondering if the incompatibility of the lashkaree zaban with the
speakers of proto-dravidian langauges[brahvi] and other languages of
coastal Sindh[Thari] and Baluchistan is a contributing factor to this
lack of knowledge of Urdu among the natives of the region I mentioned.
Also, you would find more Persian poets in Sindh [during the time when 
the Mughal empire had collapsed] than Urdu poets. 


 
>Enough, I got work to do.

Tell me about it, the countdown has begun :)


Naveed
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re muhajirs
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:18:37 GMT
Organization: UB

From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The fate of these wretched muhajirs.

>This is undoubtedly the most serious implication of the vitriolic out-
>bursts of Nadeem Jamali (NJ). I mean that it puts off people returning
>to Pakistan at a time when qualified people are deparately needed.

>On the positive side though, NJ is an enigma --- I have not noticed any
                                                  ---------------------
>other Pakistanis freely airing the views that he advocates. One must
>remember that there is undoubtedly a foreign influence agitating the
                                ----------------------------
>mohajir vs. sindhi troubles. In reality, I do not believe that these
>two communities are really so irreconsilable. 


>Nadeem Malik


Well Mr Nadeem Malik Sindhis do have to live with this blame of the 
"foreign influence" every day. Funny that certain things
have to be made clear to non-sindhis because of their lack of
understanding, We have to dis-own so many things. ZAB, JSSF,
G.M Syed.  The list goes on.  You have mentioned this foreign influence
the second time and it really shows your understanding about Sindhis.
You can call Nadeem Jamali anything you want, but your reference to
the foreign influence is pretty cheap to say the least. One thing
Nadeem is not is a sell-out. He does not cater to the non-Sindhis
when he posts like I do. If there is something on his mind he goes ahead
and says it like a man. 

It is not Nadeem Jamali that is an enigma for you. All Sindhis you'll
ever meet will be one because you have put Sindhis in this self
manufactured illusion of hypocritical bhaichara when our hearts are
bleeding. You want a standard musalman-musalman-bhai-bhai message
and if someone raises a voice he is labelled a hate mongeror(sp)[your
words not mine] Nadeem Jamali is not an exception. There are plenty 
of fearless Sindhis like him whom I salute 'cause they hung in there
despite facing public ridicule by reading the profile of their families
posted on soc.culture.pakistan by the cowards that constitute it's
readership. All Nadeem J could say in his defence was 

sach-o waDo Dohari aa
roaz azal khaN pakRyo vyo aa
zanjeeron maiN jakRyo vyo aa  (apologies to Shaikh Ayaz and NJ if 
 			       I screwed that one up)


[damn shame that only one guy in Nova Scotia can get that]


Nadeem Malik, you can go ahead and live in a mirage that your
tactics of discounting dissenting voices can restore the peace
because peace comes when you listen not when you start calling
names.



Naveed tooN bi Budhha tohinjee kehN saaN yaari aa


Naveed
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: CFV: alt.us.visas
Date: 20 Jul 92 15:36:10 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

How about creating a group called alt.us.visas.  By the addition of this 
group we could help folks mostly interested in visa information from any 
country to get that information easily.  A FAQ will also be helpful. 
This will moderate many of the soc groups. 

**********************************************************************
               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
**********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: SIKH JOKE, NO  OFFENSE!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:24:36 GMT

A newly married Sikh couple in London is walking in a park.
The husband looks very large, mean and burly with his beard, turban
and strut.  The wife looks very petit, feminine, delicate and small
by comparison to him.

So there are two Brits on the bench who watch them.  And one says:
"Look at the beauty and the beast!"

The husband gets really irate and marches towards the Brits and
stands over them and says:
"How dare you call my wife a beast!"

No offense intended!
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Lawyers !!
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:07:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.keS0KnS00VogABiElY
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>	I believe that this is one of the few times that the Economist is 
>mistaken.  This would mean that for a population estimate of 100 million
>(low) for Pakistan, Pakistan has 508,000 lawyers (compared to about >750,000
>for the US with a population of about 250 million). 
>
>	The key comparison is between India and Pakistan, I can't believe 
>that India and Pakistan have a (approx.) 15X discrepancy.
>
>
>asad 

Yes, it would seem so. Perhaps one-tenth the number given by the
Economist is the correct figure. Shall wait and see if the Economist
prints a correction.

-arun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Pakistani Olympic Athletes
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:26:01 GMT

In article <Bs46xD.9tI@ecf.toronto.edu> obaid@ecf.toronto.edu writes:
>
>Did we not win any medals in yachting ?
>In '84 olympics we won 1 or 2 gold medals in yachting.
>
>NadeemS
>

Never ever! :-( you are mixing it with Asiad.

S.R.Raza.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: Quwattay bazooay Muslim nay kiya kaam Tera.. 
Keywords: Pakistan,capital
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:26:27 GMT

jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:

>Please read the above two paragraphs(?) again... may be it helps :)

Didn't help. Perhaps it's a problem with my comprehension.
Please expound. Do you feel that the people of Pakistan are too
illiterate to be trusted, or do you feel that they deserve to
have the country of their choice [not the country that you
claim that they want, but the country that they actually choose]?
Sorry to keep harping on this, but I am really unclear on your position.

>You normally wouldn't expect someone as native as I am to be here :)

Homey say: "I don't think so." :-) :-)
No. I don't know anything about you other than that you are Sindhi/Baluchi.
However, the ideas that you put forward don't sound very "native" to me.
But then again, I'm an insignificant walaity andha, right? :-)

I hope you all enjoyed Iftikhar's article that I posted yesterday.
There is another post of his that I would like to repost. It is
extremely long, but it has some very interesting insights. I would
recommend that y'all save it and read it [all] at your leisure as
it is quite long. It isn't on the same subject that Nadeem and I 
have been discussing [exactly], but it does speak to our foreign/native
perspectives. The title of the article is:
*Why Development in Pakistan fails...(very long)*
Please look for it [It's the last one that I'll repost, I promise.],
and let me know what you think.

Thanks,
-hd
sanoo kahan te shikway ghairan te
jad sajnan keetiyan takiyan ne?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (21st)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:39:13 GMT

samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar) writes:

>I may be nit-picking here, but have you seen any mandir built on a
>destroyed mosque. Sikhs are/were a militant community. In India, I
>have heard many hindus say that Sikhs were responsible for protecting
>many hindus during the partition killings. I guess, some of this
>protection extended further.

>Again, this is just for my curiosity. If I learn of hindu destruction
>of mosques, it will make me humbler.

>Sumitro

To say that ONLY Sikhs killed Muslims is to deny the obvious.
You see, in Punjab, members of the same zaats are often found
in all three religions. There are many exceptions ie. Dogars are
only Muslim, Guptas [as far as I know] are only Hindus, etc.
However, especially among the Jatt Zamindars, you will find 
Muslim, Sikh, and Hindu Virks, Warraichs, Vinnings, Bajwas, Gills,
Tiwanas, Pirachas, Chouhans, etc. Sure, the different families in
different religions will have intermarried amongst themselves and
are very different from the families in the other religions, but
when you get down to it, they are aik nasl.

I would be extremely surprised to hear of any mosques [outside of
Qadian] that still remain in East Punjab. In fact, if there are
any in Qadian, they were probably built recently. I doubt that any
original pre-partition structures that were used as mosques remained
as mosques. Many of them were the first things to be burned when the
Hindus and Sikhs began attacking the Muslims. 

Again, the reason that I view POST-partition destruction as different from the
Babri masjid issue is that there were no Muslims left in East Punjab to
pray in those mosques [at least none who could risk admitting to be Muslim].

-hd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.lebanon
From: mmokhtar@attmail.com
Subject: The Alim
Originator: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:26:59 GMT

Assalamu `alaykum,

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  - Transliteration of the Qur'an
  - Yusuf `Ali's translation
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  - M. Pickthall's translation
  - All nine volumes of Sahih Bukhary
  - Islamic Subjects Database
  - Maududi Sura information
  - Chronological History of Islam
  - Biographies of Companions
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  The Alim runs a clean and powerful text based windowing system. Several
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  The standard package has an introductory price of $99.00 and costs $149.95
in retail. Macintosh, Windows, OS/2 and OSF/Motif support is expected in
the first quarter of 1993. I saw the package and it is EXCELLENT. It is
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  The current version is distributed on 7 high density DOS disks and when
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Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar
From: sankar@hal.COM (Sankar Bandy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (21st)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:42:34 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: quality.hal.com

In article <1992Jul23.021712.17161@uceng.UC.EDU> mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.150454.8528@cbfsb.cb.att.com> onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:
>>There seem to some arguments on the Babri Masjid issue.
>>And comments are being passed back and forth.  
>>Some observations and points: 
>>Allah and Ram maybe equally mythical, but there is no human shape 
>>assigned to Allah and no birthplace associated with him/her.
>>
>What's your point here ?
>
>>Anyway, the point is that throughout history, every ruling group has 
>>taken over or destroyed temples and churches of the ruled people.  
>>This does not mean that you can go back in time and undo it.  The 
>>Mughals I'm sure took over many temples(although the Babri Masjid's 
>>past is still debatable->whether it was built over a previous temple), 
>>just as the Turks converted Aya Sophia to a Mosque in Istanbul, and 
>>just as the Spanish converted many mosques and synagogues to churches 
>>after the Re-Conquest of Spain.
>
>Here you are contradicting what you said in your last paragraph.
>>
>>So regardless of whether archaeologists find evidence supporting or
>>nullifying the Hindu fundamentalist' claim, the Mosque is still there.
>>Just as many previous mosques in Punjab are now Gurdwaras and Mandirs.
>>
>              Do you know this for a fact.
>
>What do you think? Is it better to save your breath and let the past
>>go away or sit here and bicker over this?
>>
>As far as my opinion goes, let the Babri masjid remain where it is.
>My best friends in India are muslims and I would hate for them 
>not to believe in India any more. Indian muslims have played no
>small role in making India a dominant force in the subcontinent.
>They are not responsible for the past.
>
>I also know that if a temple was built over a mosque some centuries
>ago an Islamic country would have destroyed it long back, but we just
>aren't you. 

That exactly is the point here. The majority of Indian Hindu, who
do not think there is any good in the Babri Masjid destruction,
still believes the above. I believe the whole issue is to make
the Islamic republics(of the 'Arab Chhap' variety) realize that
unless they perpetuate non-agression onto the place of worship
of other religious communities, they would be reciprocated in their
own terms. It has been historically proved that the voice of 
reason do not work with these Islamic republics, but the voice
of violence do (which Israel has proved). 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: SCPians of California: Press Release
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:05:00 GMT

In article <10463@gollum.twg.com> khan@twg.com (Sharaaz K. Khan) writes:
>
>
>
>How come I was not invited to this meeting?????
>
>Well everyone - I have returned from my lovely experience of a 
>trip to Pakistan.  On the way I have gotten engaged and now am 
>a happy man :)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^     
>Sharaaz Khan


What!  Already?! 

Usman




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Subject: Re: Pakistani MD-phD!!!!
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:15:27 GMT

Impressive yes, but Dr. Shah's not the first by any means!!
ja
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu (Nadeem G Chaudhry)
Subject: Re: Urdu/Punjabi Word
Originator: nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:19:15 GMT


In article <l6olb7INNpdm@sal-sun66.usc.edu>, brockus@usc.edu (Jeffrey Brockus) writes:
|>   A friend of mine is going back to the subcontinent and we were 
|> planning a farewell for him. So can anyone email me:
|> what is the translation for "Good-bye" in Urdu and/or Punjabi.
   In Punjabi you can say Rub Rakha 
   That should do it, someone has already posted the Urdu words so I wont
   repeat it.
|> TIA.
|> 
|> 
|> brockus@usc.edu
|> 
Nadeem
 
-- 
Nadeem G Chaudhry
nchaudhr@ulowell.ulowell.edu
From: bijal@garnet.berkeley.edu (Bijal C. Modi.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Has Saddam been assasinated ??????
Date: 21 Jul 1992 20:09:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul21.142429.8815@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mfazili@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>I have heard on the radio (on the Rush Limbaugh) this afternoon that a Middle 
>Eastern News Agency announced that Saddam Hussein had been assasinated.  How-
>ever this has not been confirmed by American or European News agencies.  
>Aparently, they have been monitoring communications within  Iraq and no 
>mention has been made of it.
>
>Does anyone have any other information?
>
>Thank you.

 BBC World Service and Radio Moscow didn't report this news in their 
20:00GMT (1.00pm PST) broadcasts.

-Bijal.
-- 
-Bijal.
 bijal@garnet.berkeley.edu