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From: i13mufel@aud2.aud.auc.dk
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: A Defensive Problem
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:25:28 GMT
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark

In article <1hqk5vINNm17@rifraf.atl.ge.com>, nstraguz@atl.ge.com (Nick Straguzzi) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.160100.1@aud2.aud.auc.dk> i13mufel@aud2.aud.auc.dk writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.152155.18908@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira) writes:
>>> Anyhow, playing with a good partner, 2/1 with g[a]dgets I picked up in
>>> 4th seat, W v R, the following collection of tickets:
>>>    JT72, K983, A74, K6
>>> 
>>> After 3 passes, do you open?  
> 
> Yes.  No choice at matchpoints.  What form of scoring is okbridge?
> 
>>> I guess it is close but the possesion of both majors made me open
>>> 1D (weird huh?)  RHO overcalls 1NT Pard X's LHO XX's.  and there it
>>> stands.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, how many netters play 1NT in this sequence as
> natural?  I play it as Unusual, which I believe is the expert
> treatment in my neck of the woods.  Is it true, as it appears here,
> that the Standard Earth expert treatment of a fifth seat 1NT overcall
> is natural?  Even red vs. white??
>  
>>>              98,
>>>              QT,
>>>              QJT3
>>>              A9752
>>>                        JT72
>>>                        K983
>>>                        A73
>>>                        K6
>>> 
>>> Parter leads the SK, and follows with SQ, SA and small spade to the J.
>>> dummy discards two small clubs. Declarer follows three times and discards
>>> a diamond on the J of spades.
>>> 
>>> How do you continue?
>>> 
>>> Aviel Roy-Shapira, M.D.         Ben-Gurion University Medical School
>>
>>kC!
> 
> I admit the CK is an attractive play, if only for its sense of high
> drama and the potential for building a worldwide reputation for
> brilliance.  :-)
> 
> Nonetheless, my vote is for a low heart.
> 
> If declarer (who, BTW, is either 3-4-4-2 or 3-3-4-3) has the CQ and HJ
> to go along with his marked HA and DK, you are done for.  So you may
> as well play partner for one or the other.  For the CK to work, pard
> must hold not only the CQ but the CT as well.  Otherwise, declarer
> will get home with two clubs, three diamonds, and two hearts on the
                                ~~~~~
	It is unlikely for the dummy to have chance to play his last diamond,
even pard has only the club  jack. 

> hook.  (Please don't tell me declarer is missing the CJ or HJ too --
> his bidding is weird enough as it is.)
> 
> Yes, partner's spade carding *suggests* club values.  But for him to
> hold the CQ is very unlikely and the CT as well even less so.  If
> you're going to play him for a useful card, better it be a jack.
> 
> (Let me guess: -760, right?)
> 
> Nick
> -- 
>  Nick Straguzzi / GE Advanced Technology Labs / Moorestown NJ / (609) 866-6646
> ---------- nstraguz@atl.ge.com ----------- #include <stddisclaimer.h> ---------
>                 "Got no use for the tricks of modern times..."
> 							- Al Stewart
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From:  martino@courier6.aero.org(Nick Martino)
Subject: Re: A Grand Slam?
Followup-To: rec.games.bridge
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:28:32 GMT

John.Roseveare wrote:
> 
> 
> I have not been able to solve the following problem.  All
> responses/suggestions (by E-mail or posting) gratefully received.  If the
> problem is just too trvial/easy/"old hat" please accept my apologies in
> advance!
> 
> 	          	(S) J 10 8 4
> 	          	(H) A 10 7
> 	          	(D) K Q 6 3
> 	          	(C) J 8
> 
>    (S) 9 6		               (S) Q 2
>    (H) K 9 8 5 2           (H) 3
>    (D) 10 7 5              (D) J 9 4 2
>    (C) Q 9 6               (C) A 10 7 5 3 2
> 
> 	          	(S) A K 7 5 3
> 	         	 (H) Q J 6 4
> 	          	(D) A 8
> 		          (C) K 4
> 
> Lead: 5H
> 
> Can a 7 Spades contract be made against competent defence?  I am told it
> can but I can not see how!
> 
Win the lead cheaply in either hand.  Then, draw trumps in 2 rounds,
carefully preserving the 4-spot in dummy.  Repeat the Heart finesse and
cash the Ace.  Return to hand in trumps using the 4-spot and ruff the last
Heart.  Now return to hand with the Diamond Ace and you have a squeeze
against East.  The position will be:
	
                   (S) -
                   (H) -
                   (D) K Q 6
                   (C) J 8

                                  (S) -
    West is                       (H) -
   immaterial                     (D) J 9 4
                                  (C) A 10

                   (S) 5 3
                   (H) -
                   (D) 8
                   (C) K 4

Now, cash the remaining trumps discarding Clubs from dummy.  Either the
Club King or the Diamond 6 will become the 13th trick.  

---Nick




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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Internet Bridge anyone?
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 05:26:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.011958.3366@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jacobson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Eliot T. Jacobson ) writes:
>So, chess has valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu 5000 and
>GO has its server also, and many thousands of us
>enjoy these games in real time against real human
>opponents, anytime night or day.  So when is bridge
>going to come of age?  Is there such a server for
>bridge yet?

Yes there is, it is called OKBridge. It's available using
anonymous ftp at cs.ucsd.edu in the directory ~/pub/clegg/bridge/okbridge.
Grab it now --- there's a table looking for a 4th.



-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: opening lead against 6NT
From: avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:54:49 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson) writes:
: In article <1992Dec17.153844.10560@linus.mitre.org> Robert D. Silverman writes:
:
: *In article <1992Dec17.145526.17546@walter.bellcore.com> Martin I. Eiger writes:
: * :Matchpoints, opponents vulnerable.
: * :
: * :                         You   LHO   Prt   RHO
: * :S - 9 7                   P     1D    1S    4N       4N = Blackwood
: * :H - 9 7 2                 P     5C    X     6N       5C = 0 or 4 aces
: * :D - 9 7                   P     P     X     P
: * :C - T 9 6 4 3 2           P     P
: * :
: * This is a non-problem.  When partner bids a suit, then subsequently
: * doubles a NT contract, he is DEMANDING that you lead his suit.
: * [unless, of course, you play lead inhibiting overcalls]
: *
: * In the above situation, If partner wanted a CLUB lead [after doubling
: * 5C] he would NOT double the final contract. You would then lead a club.
:
: What if partner wants a club lead,
: and knows the contract will go down if indeed the club is led?
:
: Does this mean partner cannot double for a particular lead
: and then double again for penalties?
:
Yes. You cannot double again for penalties, because you don't have to.
Beating a voluntarily bid slam will give you a good score regardless of
which form of bridge you are playing.  Therefore, all slam doubles are
lead directing. Period.

The penalty double of a vuluntarily bid slam is justified if and only if
you are 100% certain of beating the slam on any lead.

Avi












--
Aviel Roy-Shapira, M.D.         Ben-Gurion University Medical School
Dept. of Surgery A.             POB 151, Beer Sheva, Israel
avir@chen.bgu.ac.il             AVIR@BGUVM.BITNET
From: taylor@foraker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Eric Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: A Defensive Problem
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:47:35 GMT

In article <1hqk5vINNm17@rifraf.atl.ge.com>, nstraguz@atl.ge.com (Nick Straguzzi) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec29.160100.1@aud2.aud.auc.dk> i13mufel@aud2.aud.auc.dk writes:
|> >In article <1992Dec29.152155.18908@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira) writes:
|> >> Anyhow, playing with a good partner, 2/1 with g[a]dgets I picked up in
|> >> 4th seat, W v R, the following collection of tickets:
|> >>    JT72, K983, A74, K6
|> >> 
|> >> After 3 passes, do you open?  
|> 
|> Yes.  No choice at matchpoints.  What form of scoring is okbridge?
|> 
|> >> I guess it is close but the possesion of both majors made me open
|> >> 1D (weird huh?)  RHO overcalls 1NT Pard X's LHO XX's.  and there it
|> >> stands.
|> 
|> Just out of curiosity, how many netters play 1NT in this sequence as
|> natural?  I play it as Unusual, which I believe is the expert
|> treatment in my neck of the woods.  Is it true, as it appears here,
|> that the Standard Earth expert treatment of a fifth seat 1NT overcall
|> is natural?  Even red vs. white??

It seems to me that overcalling 1NT over a 3rd seat opener is fairly
good since 3rd seat openers will frequently open garbage (myself included),
and LHO will double with a good 9 points or so.   LHO might take this view
and pass putting pressure on partner to make a reopening double.

What agreements do people have regarding penalizing 1NT overcallers when
you are a passed hand?
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: opening lead against 6NT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:34:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.164445.7184@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>, sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.153844.10560@linus.mitre.org> Robert D. Silverman writes:
|> 
|> *In article <1992Dec17.145526.17546@walter.bellcore.com> Martin I. Eiger writes:
|> * :Matchpoints, opponents vulnerable.
|> * :
|> * :                         You   LHO   Prt   RHO
|> * :S - 9 7                   P     1D    1S    4N       4N = Blackwood
|> * :H - 9 7 2                 P     5C    X     6N       5C = 0 or 4 aces
|> * :D - 9 7                   P     P     X     P
|> * :C - T 9 6 4 3 2           P     P
|> * :
|> * :What do you lead and why?
|> * :
|> * :Please e-mail responses to me, and I'll summarize opinions and present
|> * :all four hands when the dust settles.
|> *  
|> * This is a non-problem.  When partner bids a suit, then subsequently
|> * doubles a NT contract, he is DEMANDING that you lead his suit.
|> * [unless, of course, you play lead inhibiting overcalls]
|> * 
|> * In the above situation, If partner wanted a CLUB lead [after doubling
|> * 5C] he would NOT double the final contract. You would then lead a club.
|> 
|> What if partner wants a club lead,
|> and knows the contract will go down if indeed the club is led?
|> 
|> Does this mean partner cannot double for a particular lead
|> and then double again for penalties?

In effect yes.  Partners double of 5C may have been for a lead against a suit slam -- for example RHO holds a solid heart suit.  If he does not double the final contract you would have 100% lead a club.  Now his double cancels thats message and asks you to lead a spade (as you would have had he never doubled).

When the opponents reach a stupid slam contract only double it if you are 100% sure it will go down on any lead that partner may be induced to make by the double (you may recall the Halloween hand I posted some weeks ago, when partner tempted by his holding a side suit (cashing) Ace and AJxx of trumps doubled 6D; on the Lightner lead of a club declarer made his contract on the Passion Coup in a hand straight out of Mollo).

Now this is very rare of course but in summary don;t double slams for penalty unless you are sure it will go down anyway.  Using your  doubles as lead directors will help you down slams that would othewise make, and that is a *much* better use of doubles.

|> Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)

Bharat
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: A Defensive Problem
Summary: (Yup, it belongs in email...)
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

In article <1993Jan2.151339.22693@nstn.ns.ca> maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern) writes:
...
>>>>>>>              98,
>>>>>>>              QT,
...
>Why would partner ever play the jack from jxx or jxxx?  How does partner
>know that declarer doesn't have the nine?

Because if he doesn't, dummy wins cheaply with the 10.
(At least that is what I think the T in the above included text means...)

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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Re: A Defensive Problem
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:36:25 GMT


>In article <1992Dec29.152155.18908@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira) writes:
>> Okbridge is becoming a meeting place for r.g.ber's and more and more of us
>> meet there for an occasional skirmish. This is good. The other day, our
>> own professor BY dropped by (sorry we didn't play a few hands together BY)
>> 
>> Anyhow, playing with a good partner, 2/1 with gedgets I picked up in
>> 4th seat, W v R, the following collection of tickets:
>>    JT72, K983, A74, K6
>> 
>> After 3 passes, do you open?  I guess it is close but the possesion of both
>> majors made me open 1D (weird huh?)  RHO overcalls 1NT Pard X's LHO XX's.
>> and there it stands.
>> 
>> 
>>              98,
>>              QT,
>>              QJT3
>>              A9752
>>                        JT72
>>                        K983
>>                        A73
>>                        K6
>> 
>> Parter leads the SK, and follows with SQ, SA and small spade to the J.
>> dummy discards two small clubs. Declarer follows three times and discards
>> a diamond on the J of spades.
>> 
>> How do you continue?
>> 
>> --
>> Aviel Roy-Shapira, M.D.         Ben-Gurion University Medical School
>> Dept. of Surgery A.             POB 151, Beer Sheva, Israel
>> avir@chen.bgu.ac.il             AVIR@BGUVM.BITNET


I continue with a barely visible sweat on my forehead.  Don't like this
one bit.  I do appear to be in line to get my two minor suit tricks
though.  Have to develop a heart trick.  How?  Bite the bullet and
lead the King of hearts.  Prepare to duck under the table if partner
throws his/her cards at you.  In better days partner will have three
hearts to the Jack.

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*     Software Kinetics Ltd.     *  or maceache@hawk.nstn.ns.ca   *
* Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada *                                *
*           Opinions expressed are the author's only              *
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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: opening lead against 6NT
From: avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:11:41 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
: In article <1992Dec17.145526.17546@walter.bellcore.com> mie@faline.bellcore.com (Martin I. Eiger) writes:
: :Matchpoints, opponents vulnerable.
: :
: :                         You   LHO   Prt   RHO
: :S - 9 7                   P     1D    1S    4N       4N = Blackwood
: :H - 9 7 2                 P     5C    X     6N       5C = 0 or 4 aces
: :D - 9 7                   P     P     X     P
: :C - T 9 6 4 3 2           P     P
: :
: :What do you lead and why?
: :
: :Please e-mail responses to me, and I'll summarize opinions and present
: :all four hands when the dust settles.
:
: This is a non-problem.  When partner bids a suit, then subsequently
: doubles a NT contract, he is DEMANDING that you lead his suit.
: [unless, of course, you play lead inhibiting overcalls]
:
: In the above situation, If partner wanted a CLUB lead [after doubling
: 5C] he would NOT double the final contract. You would then lead a club.
:
: This is not a matter of opinion.
: --

Bob's treatment is certainly standard convention, and without prior
agreement to the contrary, this is what one should unquestionably do.

However, the wisdom of this treatment IS a matter of opinion.  I for one,
expect partner to ALWAYS lead my suit, unless he is void or has an equally
valid excuse.  I take that into consideration when I overcall, as I am sure
Bob does too.  Consequently, why should I double to force a lead in my suit
is beyond me.  I think that a lead directing double (and all doubles of
vulunatarily bid slams are lead directing) should convey the opposite
message.  That is, don't lead my suit, or lead dummy's first bid suit.
All the above is true, had partner not doubled the conventional club call.

In this case, the double of 5C was also a lead directing double. So without
the ubsequent double, I would expect partner to lead clubs. Since the
second lead directing double reverses the usuall lead, I too think that
the 2nd double is a call for spades, just as Bob did.

I should add that a double of 3NT IS an absolute demand for leading
 spades, even in my methods.

Avi


--
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Dept. of Surgery A.             POB 151, Beer Sheva, Israel
avir@chen.bgu.ac.il             AVIR@BGUVM.BITNET
From: paul@sco.COM (Paul Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: This actually happened to me...
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:04:22 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.020913.12047@speedy.aero.org> martino@courier6.aero.org(Nick Martino) writes:
>> Partner had 3 spades and 5 (bad) hearts.  How is he to know when to
>> rescue himself?
>
>Any time one of your competent opponents passes a takeout double at the
>one-level, you know you're up against a real stack. Therefore, if you can
>envision another place to play, it's probably right to initiate rescue
>operations.  

I strongly disagree with this assertion. A large number of times an attempt
to rescue just changes a result from poor (or even average) to atrocious.
Even your "competent" opponent is to a large extent guessing when they pass
take out doubles, especially given the huge range of hands that are handled
by a take out double these days. The entire hand often hinges on essentially
random factors (such as locations of 9's and 10's in unbid suits). It is
often the case that you
a) go down for less than their best contract
b) make your contract (much more common at matchpoints, of course)
c) go down less than you would if you try and rescue.
d) go down for less than you theoretically should since a 1 level suit
contract is quite hard to defend against.

All of this is totally ignoring the fact that if opponents know they can
spook you into running they have all sorts of psychological gambits
available to them.

Now, if I have a real second suit or an atrocious first suit I might well
attempt to rescue myself, but with most hands that opened a 5 card major
without a side suit I'll just sit and take my lumps.
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: alerted double; opening lead
Keywords:  double, lead
Reply-To: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:46:24 GMT

Leonard J. Nissim writes:

                        North
                        S-Qx
                        H-xxxx
                        D-AQxx
                        C-Qxx
West                                   East
S-AKJTxxx                              S-xx
H-                                     H-KQJTxx
D-xx                                   D-9xx
C-Txxx                                 C-xx
                       South
                       S-xx 
                       H-Axx 
                       D-KJTx 
                       C-AKJ9

[story about how West violated his own agreement, and did not lead
a heart against 3NT doubled, and hence ran his 7 card spade suit and
beat it 3 tricks.]

- -800 was of course a bottom.  With no outside entry, East's double seems
- really strange.  I have two questions:
- 
- 1) If West had had a heart and still led the ace of spades, what would the
- director have ruled?

Uhh, -1400?  I don't know.  What I do know is that if I'd had those
7 spades and *5* hearts, I still would have lead a spade,  even if 
partner had stood on his or her chair and doubled. 

Of course, it's unclear to me exactly *why* East doubled 3NT; perhaps
it was a striped tail ass (or whatever it's called) double, ie.
East was trying to get you to run.

- 2) Was I a fool, or just fixed? 

You were fixed, kind of.  West decided to use his/her brain, rather
than listening to the idiot partner.

--
Jeff Baron
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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: craig@bunsen.rosemount.com (Craig Taylor)
Subject: Computer bridge game recommendation for father
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:59:07 GMT

I am looking for recommendations for a computer
bridge game for my father.  He just received an
entry level game for Christmas from Radio Shack and
will take it back.  He is a life master.

I am looking for a self-contained game, not software
for a computer.  I'm sorry if this is FAQ as I do
not play and do not normally read this newsgroup.


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