HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Receive USENET feed by e-mail
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:15:27 GMT

In article <*> bedaj00@DMI.USherb.CA (JOEL BEDARD) writes:
>I'm searching a way to receive an USENET conference like : rec.games.chess
>in my e-mail account.  Can someone help me?

You've just asked "standard USENET question number 44".
The answer is contained in this excerpt of the 'FAQ' file. 
__________________________________________________________

From:         spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford)
Newsgroups:   news.announce.newusers,news.answers
Subject:      Answers to Frequently Asked Questions
Date:         4 Sep 92 03:52:07 GMT
Followup-To:  news.newusers.questions
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue Univ.

Archive-name: usenet-faq/part1
Last-change:  19 Jul 1992 by mvac23!thomas@udel.edu (Thomas Lapp)
Original-author: jerry@eagle.UUCP (Jerry Schwarz)

 44. Is it possible to read Usenet newsgroups via electronic mail?

     Most Usenet newsgroups do not correspond to any mailing list, so
     the conventional answer to this question is "no" for most groups.
     However, there are some newsgroups that are gatewayed to mailing lists.  
     For a list of them, see the "List of Active Newsgroups"
     posting in news.announce.newusers.

     If you know a Usenet site-administrator who is willing to act as a
     personal gateway for you, you might be able to get him/her to set
     up his/her system to forward messages from individual newsgroups
     to you via E-mail.  However, most administrators don't like to do this
     because it adds to the outgoing traffic from their site, so don't
     post messages to the net saying, "Hey, is there someone willing
     to gateway newsgroups to me?"

/MK
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Subject: Re: X.121 Country Codes
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Distribution: comp.mail.misc
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:43:10 GMT

khush@csskwh (Ken Hush) writes:

>Does anyone know if the X.121 Country Codes for East Germany (previously  
>218) and West Germany (previously 262) have been altered since  
>re-unification ?

The new code in ISO 3166 is 276. We still use 262 here in our X.25 nets.
I don't know whether the next release of CCITT X.121 will reflect the
change of our UN number in ISO 3166.

Markus

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From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: smail 3.1 and RFC931
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


A short question : Are there any patches for the Smail 3.1 distribution
that coordinate with the RFC931 authentication daemon ?  We are making
an attempt to improve mail security and are aware of similar patches
for sendmail, but not for smail.

Can anyone help ?
Thanks,
STF
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: khush@csskwh (Ken Hush)
Subject: Internet ---> IBM Mail Exchange (X400 Gateway)
Reply-To: khush@mot.com
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: comp.mail.misc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:59:11 GMT


I have been attemping to send mail from the Internet through the gateway  
in France. The mail just 'disappears' into the bit-bucket, it appears.

I was sending to the address format specified in the IBMMAIL DESCRIPT,  
published on the NETSERVER at BITNIC, which is:

GivenName.Surname@ibmx400-country.ibmmail.circe.fr

I received no - NDN's, and the mail was never received. I have an X400  
address on IBM Mail Exchange, so was testing to my own ID.

Has anyone else had these problems ? and is willing to share any insights  
?

Ken



--
Ken Hush                                                                            
Computer Services, Applications Engineering              
Corporate Information Office  
Motorola                                       
1299, East Algonquin Road,                                                                      
Schaumburg, IL 60196
From: jc@minya.UUCP (John Chambers)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Is there a good summary of Header: lines?
Keywords: mail header
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:16:09 GMT

Well,  a  while  ago  I  decided  to  bite the bullet and write my own
mail-header munger, so I wouldn't have to spend so much  time  in  the
future  constantly  editing  headers to generate a reply.  The idea of
course is to write a little (perl) program that  grovels  through  the
headers  and  extracts  sufficient  info that it can figure out how to
generate a proper reply that stands a good chance  of  getting  there.
While  I'm at it, I've decided that it really isn't too hard for it to
recognize bounced mail and generate a second (or third or  ...)  guess
as to how to trick the email "system" into delivering.  Lots of fun.

One result of this so far is  a  high  degree  of  bemusement  at  the
interesting and amusing variety of headers that are flying about these
days.  Some of  the  authors  of  email  software  are  getting  quite
imaginative in the things they put into headers.

Does anyone know of any sort of good summary of what  to  expect  from
email  headers?   Of course, there's the RFC (let's see, which one was
it, now?) But this is just a start.  The Real World clearly  sees  any
such  "standard"  as  just  a rough guideline as to how headers should
look, and many email software developers clearly have  a  Better  Idea
than  just  slavishly  following the silly spec.  It's fun to rant and
rave about nonconforming implementations, but  that  doesn't  get  the
mail  delivered.   But then, learning about it in an ad-hoc, "what the
hell does THAT header mean?" fashion takes time.  There's Gotta  Be  A
Better Way.

Any good hints?  Has  someone  written  the  definitive  tome  on  the
subject?   Does  someone  have a useful (however sketchy) summary?  Or
should I just continue to collect new cases in my program, and try  to
guess what each might mean?

(I think I actually saw some X.400 headers the other day, but I'm  not
really too sure what the identifying field marks are; it's too hard to
extract them from the hype ...  ;-)

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: markd@silogic.uucp (Mark C. DiVecchio (K3FWT))
Subject: Re: How to get visible_name to work?
Organization: Silogic Systems, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:42:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.070606.27825@Veritas.COM> tron@Veritas.COM (Ronald S. Karr) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.014606.12754@silogic.uucp> markd@silogic.uucp (Mark C. DiVecchio (K3FWT)) writes:
>>I've had no luck fixing the problem though.  Here is a header generated
>>by smail 3.1.19 (X and tab added) :
>>
>>X	From: Mark DiVecchio (K3FWT) <markd@pgsn1.sony.com>
>>
>Smail3.1, until recently, has not been able to From generate lines such
>as this.  Either you have a modified version of smail3, or elm generated
>the From line itself.  The former case is certainly possible, since
>there were quite a few unofficial 3.1.19 variants that floated around.
>However, even if you were running an unofficial variant, it is doubtful
>that your config file could generate such a From line.  Most likely the
>culprit is elm.  I suggest you check your elm compilation-time and run-
>time configuration files.
>-- 
>	tron |-<=>-|		ARPAnet:  veritas!tron@apple.com
>      tron@veritas.com		UUCPnet:  {apple,pyramid}!veritas!tron

BINGO!

To all net.helpers: my problem indeed was that I needed to configure elm
to 'hardwire' the host name and not use uname or hostname. 

Thanks to all who replied.
-- 
Mark DiVecchio, Silogic Systems, 619-549-9841                       K3FWT
-----   9888 Carroll Center Road, Suite 113, San Diego, CA 92126    -----
markd@silogic.uucp                             BBS 619-549-3927
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:2974 comp.mail.headers:310
From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.headers
Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To: header reliable?
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:27:04 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <BuBDJu.A1D@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.175203.19875@mks.com> davidf@mks.com (David J.
>Fiander) writes, in response to me:

>:>smail also supports Return-Receipt-To: headers.
>:
>:smail 3.1.24 did not.  If subsequent versions have added the
>:support for RRT, then I stand corrected.

>smail 3.1.18, 3.1.25, and 3.1.26 do support it.  You can test with a
>pre-smail 3.1.24 system by sending mail to mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com.

There is something fishy here.  My copies of the Smail 3.1.25,
3.1.26 & 3.1.27 source do not contain any mention of the
Return-Receipt-To: header.  They also *not* do anything interesting
with a Return-Receipt-To: header.

I expect someone has produced a patch to do this, *but* it
definitely is *not* part of the stock 3.1.27 release as released
yesterday!

	Nigel.

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From: mcneill@devon.co.uk (Keith McNeill)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Freezing Sendmail Config Files (Was: Frequency of NFS lock problems w/ NFS mounted mail spool)
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:21:37 GMT
Organization: Devon Systems International

> You'd probably need a way to update all the non-diskless clients'
> /etc/sendmail.cf files from time to time, but with so many workstations,
> I bet you've already had to find a mechanism to do that sort of thing.
> 
>   -- Stan Janet
>      stan@magi.ncsl.nist.gov

sorta off the subject but....I just flew in from the US therefore I'm
completely brain dead with jet lag from hell...anyway..

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.  A while ago I was having a strange
sendmail problem.  The problem was that I was freezing the sendmail config
file.  Apparently this is silently broken with SunOS 4.1.2 (at least). SOoooo

DO NOT FREEZE YOUR SENDMAIL CONFIG FILE (i.e. don't do a /usr/lib/sendmail -bz).

Freezing the config file was only really useful as a performance improvement
back when we had 30 users on a VAX 11/780.  Not as useful now with SS10s
sitting on everybody's desk.

Keith
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: markd@silogic.uucp (Mark C. DiVecchio (K3FWT))
Subject: How to get visible_name to work?
Organization: Silogic Systems, San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:46:06 GMT


I got quite a few responses to my previous post about smail 3.1's
visible_name, et. al. and how to get my outgoing mail such that its
computed return address would be correct. 

I've had no luck fixing the problem though.  Here is a header generated
by smail 3.1.19 (X and tab added) :

X	From pgsn1!markd Thu Sep 10 19:51:06 1992
X	Return-Path: <pgsn1!markd>
X	Received: from pgsn1 by silogic.uucp with uucp
X		(Smail3.1.27.1 #3) id m0mT168-0001kGC; Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:51 PDT
X	Received: by pgs.sony.com ( Smail3.1.18.1 #PL19 )
X		id <m0mSzpH-0004VxC@pgs.sony.com>; Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:29 PDT
X	Message-Id: <m0mSzpH-0004VxC@pgs.sony.com>
X	Subject: test
X	To: silogic!markd
X	Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:29:34 PDT
X	From: Mark DiVecchio (K3FWT) <markd@pgsn1.sony.com>
X	X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]       ^
X	Status: RO                             |
X	                                       |
X	header test                            |
                                               |
                                               |
I seem to need to get this From line ----------   to reflect our
domain name, pgs.sony.com, in order for mail coming in to me to actually
get to my machine. My machine name is pgsn1 and no matter what I do, I
can't get this From line to come up <markd@pgs.sony.com>.

My config file has ended up as :

visible_name=pgs.sony.com
visible_domains=pgs.sony.com
hostnames=pgs.sony.com:pgsn1.sony.com:pgsn1:pgs
more_hostnames=pgs.sony.com

Thanks again for the help so far, but can anyone get me over the final
hurdle?

-- 
Mark DiVecchio, Silogic Systems, 619-549-9841                       K3FWT
-----   9888 Carroll Center Road, Suite 113, San Diego, CA 92126    -----
markd@silogic.uucp                             BBS 619-549-3927
...!ucsd!sdcrsi!silogic!markd     sdcrsi!silogic!markd@ucsd.edu
From: Henk.Wolsink@p0.f2.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Henk Wolsink)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Help! Fido gateway wanted.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:41:54 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7104/2.0 - The Catalyst BBS, Port Elizabeth

On 13 Sep 1992 @ 20:32, kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu wrote, and I quote:

 > Can anybody tell me, if it is possible (and if it is: how?)
 > to get a message into the Fido Net via some gateway?

Sure it's possible.

Address it too:

firstname.lastname@fn.nx.z1.fidonet.org

Where fn is the node number, nx is the net number and z1 is zone 1 = North 
America.

Thats ofcourse, you know the address of the person you intend sending mail to.


 




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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.headers
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To: header reliable?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.080432.12737@Veritas.COM> tron@Veritas.COM (Ronald S. Karr) writes:
>>
>>smail also supports Return-Receipt-To: headers.
>
>Which smail?  Smail2.5 didn't, last I checked.  The official releases
>of smail3.1 don't, although I believe that some unofficial patches are
>filtering around that do this.

Smail3 doesn't need any patches to the executable for this.  All you have to
do is add a transport entry that pipes to a shell script or program that
generates the receipts if requested, then add it as a shadow transport
to local delivery.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
From: markus@mwhh.hanse.de (Markus Witt)
Subject: Problems configuring smail 3.1.26
Organization: Nothin' is organized here.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 07:11:51 GMT

Hi.

I have a little trouble configuring smail 3.1.26.

I want to get our mails routed as follows:

The gateway between the UUCP net and our local TCP/IP net I'll call
m0. The machine, where all mailboxes for users who are known all across
our network via NIS/YP, should be located is m1.
Mail into the UUCP net I want to get sent to a smarthost named m2 by m0.
Mails from m2 to user@machine.do.main, where do.main is the domain of
our company, I want to get routed as follows:
If the machine is known in our local network, smail should check if the
user is known by the NIS/YP system. If he is not, the mail must be sent
to user@machine. If he is, then it must be sent to user@m1.
Mail to user@do.main I want to get routed like mail to user@m0.do.main
(see mail to user@machine.do.main).

I can configure smail to send mail to user@machine.do.main to
user@m1.do.main generally (with a queryprogram driver in routers).
But I don't get the user part there. So I can't decide wether to deliver
the mail to machine _or_ to m1.

Another problem are mails to user@do.main. The director recognizes them
as local and the router doesn't get them.

I hope I was able to explain how I want to configure smail. All hints are
appreciated. Thanks in advance,
    Markus


-- 
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                            markus@mwhh.hanse.de
                  ...!uunet!mcsun!unido!mcshh!mwhh!markus
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: IIT address
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:13:00 GMT

In andrew.seguQBG00UhWI2jB0_ mscf+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Szudarek) writes

> Although this bboard is not meant for finding people, I hope that atleast one
> person out there is willing to help someone in need.  I have searched every
> imaginable database and bboard but I am unable to find an old friend of mine
> at IIT. His name is Vaughn Young.  If anyone can find him for me, or point me
> in a new direction, I would greatly appreciate it! 

Well, you don't say whether IIT stands for Illinois Institute of Technology or
Integrated Information Technology, Incorporated, or possibly even for something
entirely different.  

Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT-DOM)                             IIT.EDU
Integrated Information Techonolgy, Incorporated (IIT-DOM1)             IIT.COM

But I would suspect that if you send mail 

To:       service@nic.ddn.mil
Subject:  whois <string>        (e.g., whois illinois institute)

you would receive one or more records which would show an email address where
you could probably write to a postmaster for some specific help.

Ric

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail
From: jkt@SED.Provo.Novell.COM (Jack Thomasson)
Subject: Re: Internet to compuserv mail
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:48:20 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:31:13 GMT, rfritz@eis.calstate.edu (Ryan
>>>>> Fritz) said:

Ryan> I have a question, though.  If I write a message to a compuserve
Ryan> user via compuserve.com, will the user be able to reply via the
Ryan> internet, or can messages only go to compuserve and not from?

they will be able to reply through the bidirectional gateway.  they
can also initiate messages to the internet with the following address
form:

To: >INTERNET:user@domain

i.e.

To: >INTERNET:rfritz@eis.calstate.edu
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From: brownd@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: procmail
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:09:16 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

Does anyone know of any ftp sites which carry the "procmail" program
which can be used to "filter" email?

Thanx, in advance...

Doug B.
From: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: mail not deleted fro mailbox when using .forward
Date: 5 Sep 1992 20:52:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: oogoody.corp.sun.com

I created a set of scripts that call a user defined script based on the
content of the subject field. This of course uses an entry in the .forward
file. It works fine, but the mail is not being deleted form the mailbox which 
is annoying. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanx.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: GEnie now exchanging Internet mail
Reply-To: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:19:38 GMT


I wrote
>| There is no need to remove periods, dashes, or spaces from the user name.

dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (David W. Tamkin) writes:
>"No need"?  To the best of my knowledge one must leave periods and hyphens
>*in* because the same sequence of letters and digits with a period or hyphen
>dropped could be someone else's GEmail ID.

Exactly!  There is such need on some other systems, or translation of
comma into period, etc.

>Unless GEnie has recently changed its software or policies, if your
>correspondent on GEnie claims to have a username that includes a space, get
>out the sodium pentathol.  Last I knew, GEnie mail ID's had to be twelve
>characters long at the most and to consist of letters (insensitive to case),
>digits, periods, and hyphens; the first character must be a letter.  I don't
>remember the minimum length.

You are exactly correct.  Minimum length I *think* is 2, since most of the
1 character ones are used. <grin>  In general, mail addresses had better
begin with a letter, followed by any combination of periods, dashes,
letters, and numbers through the 12th character.

>David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
>dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: What is the format of a mailbox file?
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:10:31 GMT

In article <1350@minya.UUCP> jc@minya.UUCP (John Chambers) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.203046.25591@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, sdm7g@aemsun.med.Virginia.EDU (Steven D. Majewski) writes:
>> What is the format of a unix mailbox file and where can the 

>had a very simple format back in the old days. A mail file was started
>either by the start of the file or by the sequence:
>   "\n\nFrom "

The ones I see only have one \n. The last mail message ends on the line
before the ^From.

>> How is the status of new, read, etc. indicated in the file? 
>
>What does that mean?  You are clearly talking about some mailer  other
>than the usual ones that come with Unix.  The basic Unix mailers don't
>add anything but a "From " line to the start of  a  message.   

No, he is thinking about the usual mail user agent. The MTA generally
adds only the Received-From headers: the From header is already in the
mail. The MUA manages the status of the messages by adding the Status:
line, which contains things like O for old and R for read. "Pine" uses
the X-Status: line.

To a normal system user, there is no distinction between MTA and MUA --
they are both part of "mail".

>The most frustrating thing about figuring out how to chop up a mailbox
>file is knowing that the mail arrives in separate files, just like you
>want it.  

Mail arrives as input on STDIN, which can be read using the same calls
as reading a file but isn't the same thing. For one thing, you can't
rewind.

>The idiots who wrote the mail packages decided to join these
>files  into  one big one, eating up lots of cpu time to do so, just so
>that you and I would have to write programs to try to reconstruct  the
>original  separate files, eating up yet more cpu time.  

Of course, it is too much effort to use the documented features that
those "idiots" put into the mail system so that you can handle the
incoming mail as separate files. It is SO much easier to flame them.
Why not just take the mail as "separate files" as it comes in, writing
your own file locking code to handle simultaneous arrivals, and leave
the gratuitous insults at home?