HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: Hardware needed for ACCPAC
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:02:18 GMT

roger@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Roger De Abreu) writes:

>I am helping a little old lady purchase a home pc where she can do some
>light bookkeeping work on the side.  She uses ACCPAC at work.  Being
>unfamiliar with the accounting package I was hoping any ACCPAC users out
>there can tell me the minimum hardware setup for this.  Again her work
>is light.

>I thought she would be happy with an outdated but cheap 286.  Am I am way
>off here?.  Also, I understand it can make use of expanded memory.  How
>does it run with the standard 1 
>meg of Ram ?  Should I get 2 Mb and a memory manager.  I assume I'll
>need this to use the expanded memory.

What pieces of ACCPAC are being used, and what flavor of ACCPAC?  What
release level?

I once ran ACCPAC Plus GL (at version 4) on an 8088 with 640K; it ran
correctly but ssslllooowww.  I'm now running V6 on a '386 with mucho
extended but zero expanded memory and it's fine...except that it's 
from Computer Associates, but that's another story.

Joe Morris
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: LaunchMaker/.BAT problem was Re: Launchmaker/Zmodem problem
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:07:26 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <1992Aug28.130840.21481@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:
> I think I read somewhere that the
> launcher maker can't handle batch files.  You might try a batch file
> compiler like BAT2COM (err, I think that's the name :-).  LM hung the
> system for me when I tried to run a batch file completely unrelated to
> Zmodem.
> -- 
Doug is exactly right.  I'll try to find the place where this is 
documented, but you can't run batch files this way, and BAT2COM or
BAT2EXE or whatever it's called is the solution.

Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Geos fonts at Wuarchive
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:58:43 GMT

In article <28AUG92.17233828@skyfox.usask.ca> heichman@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>We, my friend and I, are wondering how to install the extra fonts that
>are found at the wuarchive ftp site.  We got the backgrounds installed
>but not the fonts.

Unzip the file you downloaded to extract the individual font files.
Then copy those font files to \geoworks\font.  They should be
available the next time you start up GeoWorks.


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   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: RE: WARNING about AOL  
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:50:02 GMT

>         For all you Canadians out there that want to call
> AOL, be adised that they will charge you an unbelievable
> 20 cents (American) per minute. 
> This fact is not exactly spelled out, in fact I ended up
> paying an icredible C$68 for my "free" trial time 
 
I had the same experience -- I tried that "free" offer that came with
GeoWorks and ended up with a $38 bill on my credit card.  Needless to 
say, I wasn't pleased.
 
> PS.  Anybody have any ideas on how to get my money back?
> I doubt it...
>      Suggestions or sympathy email messages happily accepted.
>      id this happen to anybody else? or am I the only
> moron who did this? 
 
Ditto.
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mcmillan_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Subject: SDK & Pixel edit
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:40:41 GMT

Greetings from a new user to comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
May I ask a silly question?
What is SDK? I see it mentioned here a lot.
Also, is there any way to pixel-edit in geoDraw? This is a feature I use
a lot on my Commodore 128 version of Geos. I wonder if anyone is using both
versions of Goes as I'm interested in swapping graphics and text between 
them. Well, text is no prob, and I have a pogram to change GeoPaint to PCX
but not geoDraw to anything. If possible I could then pixel edit on the 
Commodore!
Thanks - Kirk

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Problem with PRO/DRDOS/STACKER HELP!!!
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:46:19 GMT


I just recieved my copy of DRDOS 6.0 -- I had previously been 
using MS-DOS 5.0 with STACKER 2.0.  In order to make a fresh 
start, I ormated my hard drive (C: 44meg).
 
I then installed DR DOS 6 and GeoWorks PRO.  When I run PR I 
get a message that something is "not found on Drive D:?" 
"Abort, Retry or Fail".  When I type <f>ail, PRO boots normally.
 
I din't set up a drive "D:" (in fact, I don't know how :) but 
there is a "D:" shown in the corner of GoManager.  When I try 
to change the volume name of "D:" as per FAQ, I'm told that 
drive doesnt exist (or can't be accessed or something).
 
D: also isn't recognized at the DRDOS C:> propt.
 
Is this something that DRDOS does (I haven't installed DiskMAX 
yet) -- is it left over from having STACKER (I formatted the 
disk) -- or is it a GeoWorks PRO problem??  HELP!
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS Future
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:28:00 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

rstahl@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Richard Stahl) writes:

>...Will it ever evolve into a full multitasking OS...

Er... I thought PC/GEOS was already a multitasking OS...?  [_confused_ look]

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Icons - anyone want?
Keywords: What I've made so far....
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:35:10 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

Been playing with ICONED, and have thus far munged up the following, if anyone
wants me to send 'em up:

Interlinked "DOS" [see MS-DOS 5.0 box for what I mean by "Interlinked"]

NSF Emblem [National Science Foundation, the folks that run Internet ;)]

AT&T Emblem [The "Death-Star."  Surprisingly easy, and even looks good!]

Chaos symbol [From the Crowley Tarot Deck]

Sun Microsystems symbol [For those of you who _wish_ you had the Sparc SDK!]

Tri-Ryche symbol [Progressive metal band Queensryche's symbol]

I figger sooner or later someone else will pop up who works for the NSF, 
works for [or hates] AT&T, has a Sun [or has PC-NFS, or wants people to think
their PC/XT is a Sun], likes Queensryche, or is a fan of chaos. :)

-Shag

-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: To that OS/2 2.0 GW guy
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:36:19 GMT

The person you talked to is correct.  PC/GEOS v1.x was not designed to
run
under OS/2 v2 and until the last few months OS/2 v2 itself was
tremendously
unstable.  As you say below, PC/GEOS v2 will run under OS/2 v2.  That
is
*the* solution.  If, as you seem to want, GeoWorks made a running
change
for every issue like this that each user wanted and shipped a bunch of
interim versions then PC/GEOS v2 would never, ever get done!  Have you
ever
managed/run/whatever the testing, build, and distribution of an
operation
system and a large suite of libraries and applications?
 
The above was a quote.  Anyways I completely agree.  It is not
Geoworks responsibility to make sure GW 1.2 or Pro or 1.0 should run
under os/2 2.0 because at the time GW was written os/2 2.0 was
non-existant so how could they have guaranteed that GW would work with
it?
 
I think that you should call IBM and find out why OS/2 doesn't run
GEOS!  They are the ones making claims that os/2 runs dos better than
dos.  If so then GEOS should work under it shouldn't it?
 
You should take up your problem with the person who wrote the patch
and ask him for help.  You can't expect Geoworks to support the patch
when they didn't write it just like you can't expect Microsoft to be
held responsible if your computer can't use DOS. It's the
manufacturer's duty to ensure that your machine can use DOS if that is
what they have claimed, not Microsoft's.
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: on-line help
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:09:48 GMT


one thing that is missing from the current versions of 
geoworks is on-line, hypertext based help for applications.
is there any plan to include this in version 2.0?

Will the geos os allow developers to access more than 640k,
and if so, how.  Second, what address space is available for
an array, for example.

mike
gilem@rpi.edu
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Launchmaker/Parameter-passing
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:19:35 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

tgc54@cas.org writes:

>I think Shag's problem is that apparently Launcher Maker will not pass on
>parameters on starting a program.  

That really shouldn't be an issue in this case, as I'm just calling the batch
file, and the batch file defines the parameters which are passed to DSZ.com.
No filenames need to be passed, since I'm only downloading, and Zmodem gets
the filenames from the sending side automatically.

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: shag@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Shag {Official Random})
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: uploaded to mir: Bondage clipart
Keywords: like I promised
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:14:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.shag.715223699
Organization: University of Washington


Well, I've successfully managed to upload something from home to the net, so
geos-bondage-clipart.zip is now in the inbasket at mir.  For those of you 
who have seen the "Holly##.gif" series [converted from IFF, incidentally,
by someone before me], on a.b.p.e. or elsewhere, these should look familiar.
I picked 10 of the 30 or so in the series, converted them and scaled them for
use as clipart.

They're all female [as I stated before, coed drawing-type bondage pics are so
difficult to find], and _fairly_ tame.  [subjective opinion]

Filesize zipped is about 48k, unzipped it's about 162k.  [Yeah, GeoDraw
images compress REALLY well! :)]

-Shag

P.S. Next, I'm going to try to upload some icons I've made.  I haven't done
too many yet.

Maybe some backgrounds too.

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GeoworksPro/TaskMax/AdLib
Keywords: Blimey, it works!
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:26:41 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

Today, I reformatted my hard drive.  It's now officially a MSFZ.  [For those
who aren't used to eco-speak, that's a MicroSoft-Free Zone.]  DR-DOS 6.0 with
TaskMax running, and Geoworks Pro.  My first _big_ surprise is that my old
AdLib Visual Composer software runs perfectly under TaskMax, and all the hooks
between Geos and DR-DOS [in the TaskMax department] work flawlessly.

Kudos to the people at Geoworks and DR who cooked this up.  Sehr gut!

-Shag

[The unfortunate bit is that I _thought_ I had backed up all my self-designed
icons, and backgrounds... oh well, I've got enough free time to redo them.]
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Subject: patch for os/2 fails
Keywords: geos tech support bites it
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:06:18 GMT

Just got off the phone with pcgeos tech support, and they want nothing to do
with helping with this, so here goes:

I pulled the kernel patch off of hobbes that allows geos (and a.o.l.) to run
under os/2.  The patch fails because my kernel version doesn't make that of
the patch author.  Does anybody know _what_ gets patched?  I looked in the faq
and through the old messages here, with no luck.  I'm ready to drop geos any-
way, because I've never seen a company more bent on crippling a good product 
with poor support (except for ibm ;-).
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:43:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: List of files I've uploaded so far
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


>seems to contain some info on GEOS file layouts, including some C
>source, but it's in German.  My German is pretty rusty; anybody
> willing to undertake a translation?

Well I knew, but until today, Marcus didn`t translated himself.
Sorry for that, but I didn`t had the time to do it myself, although
my english is not the best one for such work :-)

bye

      ____
Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
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Subject: (none)
From: mailrus!samsung!ulowell!inforail.newton-jct.nh.us!uucp@uunet.UU.NET
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:07:45 GMT

Testing
Quantum #1 @6300
Tue Aug 18 06:35:07 1992

Geos is just great for the newsletter that I put out for the local Lions club

here. I do hope for more neat applications though. Mutil-media goodies

included.

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From: mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Problem with PRO/DRDOS/STACKER HELP!!!
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:09:32

>>>>> On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:46:19 GMT, slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca said:

slegge> I then installed DR DOS 6 and GeoWorks PRO.  When I run PR I 
slegge> get a message that something is "not found on Drive D:?" 
slegge> "Abort, Retry or Fail".  When I type <f>ail, PRO boots normally.

slegge> I din't set up a drive "D:" (in fact, I don't know how :) but 
slegge> there is a "D:" shown in the corner of GoManager.  When I try 
slegge> to change the volume name of "D:" as per FAQ, I'm told that 
slegge> drive doesnt exist (or can't be accessed or something).

Try setting lastdrive=C in you config.sys (I think.  Maybe
autoexec.bat).  I used to have a similar problem and explicitly
setting the last drive seemed to help.
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From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS Future
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:57:20 GMT
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM

In article <91620001@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, rstahl@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Richard Stahl) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone new the future plans for GEOS.  Will it ever 
>evolve into a full multitasking OS; thus, taking advantage of the newer, faster
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>processors (386,486, etc.).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Richard Stahl
>

WHAT?

Daniel Kim
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: wilson@hsi.com (John Wilson)
Subject: Printing in Pro
Summary: printer is smudging
Keywords: high quality, drag lines
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:40:27 GMT


A couple of months ago, I happily installed my upgrade from 1.0 to 1.2 PRO.

When it came time to print out a newsletter (under GeoWrite, of course) in
high quality, the printer started leaving "drag lines" around the text.

After a little experimentation, I found that any time I print something in
high quality (text, graphics, whatever), the drag lines show up.  The lines
will only show up around the object being printed...blank lines are really
blank lines.  The interesting part is that medium quality has none of these 
problems.  (Fortunately, the 1.2 concept of medium quality is about the 
same as the 1.0 concept of high quality!)

I've tried cleaning the print head, blowing dust out the whole print
head/paper feed area.  I've pulled the print pressure all the way back to
minimum.  

The system is a 286, and the printer is a Panasonic KX-1124i.  It's set up to
run in Epson Emulation mode.  I tried IBM emulation last night, and all it
did was spit 3 or so garbage characters onto a page, for about 4 pages
before I shut the printer down.   (I was printing 1 page from GeoWrite that
had worked flawlessly under Epson.  I haven't check my printer to see if it
was something in the way it was set up.)

So, the question.  Has anybody else seen this, have a fix/work around?  I
would appreciate any pointers, as I really like that high quality mode!

Thanks!!

john.

-- 
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Wallingford, Connecticut, USA                              buck and a quarter
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
Subject: fonts
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:40:20 GMT


Help!

I've been away for some time and have just returned.  Could someone please  
fill me in on the wuarchive site where I could receice GW stuff.

Thanks in advance!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 00:17:55 CDT
From: tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoComm VT100?


In article <1992Aug24.040647.2833@lester.appstate.edu>, GRS00023@APPSTATE.EDU
(GRS9999101) says:
>
>Another GeoWorks question..
>
>When I Try to log on to my school's Vax using VT100 terminal mode in GeoComm,
>The Vax tries to identify the terminal type but cannot, thereby locking me out
>of the school's VTX and library computers..
>
>Anyone know a fix?
>
>Steve Williams
>GRS00023@ALF.APPSTATE.EDU

Here is an excerpt from a GeoComm script that I use to log onto the Physics
department Vaxes here at UIC. This may be enough to get you past those nasty
terminal type unknown messages you are probably getting. But note, I've not
been able to use the EVE editor using GeoComm even with this fix. If anyone
out there has a list of all of the esc sequences understood by a vt100 terminal
then please post them.

;The Vax will query the terminal type with ESC Z

:termquery
MATCH "Z" GOTO answer
PROMPT 600
PRINT "TIMEOUT ON TERMINAL QUERY",CR
PRINT "TRY ANOTHER QUERY STRING",CR
GOTO done

;Tell the Vax we are a vt100/102 terminal

:answer
PAUSE 16
SEND ^[
SEND "[?6c"
PRINT "TERMINAL TYPE VT100 SENT",CR
GOTO done

Well that's the fix I use. I got the sequences to send from some Kermit 2.32
documentation concerning scripts in Kermit and adapted it to GeoComm. I hope
you'll find this useful.

thomas mckibben 2   university of illinois at chicago dept. of physics
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BITNET: MCKIBBEN@UICPHY or U51773@UICVM
Internet: u51773@uicvm.uic.edu or tommck@aol.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: A Launchmaker Summary is Needed!
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:20:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.150533.15440@eng.umd.edu> jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey) writes:
>Could someone summarize for me and other slow types the following?
>
>1. WHERE can launchmaker be obtained in ZIP format?

At mir.eco.utexas.edu in the geos directory (see the FAQ for anonymous
ftp hours).  Also at any Simtel20 mirror site, such as
wuarchive.wustl.edu, in the geoworks directory.

>2. HOW is it installed?

Basically you copy a couple files into your \geoworks\world directory and
another file into your \geoworks directory.  Check out the
documentation that comes with it for more information.

>3. Are there any FIXES that should be known about?

Fixes?  Not really.  However, it doesn't seem to work too well at running
batch files; you need some sort of bat-to-exe compiler.  Such things
are also available at Simtel20.



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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: besler@geop.ubc.ca (Steve Besler)
Subject: Flame
Organization: University of B.C. Geophysics & Astronomy
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:35:14 GMT

Flame mode on.

	Hey eric, did you try to phone up IBM and ask them why the 
hell geos won't run on their VDM? I didn't think so.  

	Or hey, how about booting up with dos and then running GEOS.
Or is that just so incredibly and insurmountably inconvenient that you
can't handle it?

	I find your post annoying.  I mean as if it is GeoWorks fault that
it doesn't work!  And as if tech support is just going to give out 
protected information like the capabilities of version 2.0 to any whiner
who cares to call tech support.  And as if it is tech supports job to
be "interested" in the patch.  As if GeoWorks would support something so
low-level and hackish ( a binary patch of one version of the kernal)
tthat they didn't even write!  Just get real!

	I mean maybe IBM purposely wrote OS/2 2.0 so that Geos would not 
work.  Or maybe GEOS just does too much bare bones hardware stuff to 
run on a VDM easily.  

	This conversation has become tiresome

Flame mode off

	(Now is time on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos when we dance. :-)

Sorry, Eric, nothing personal...
From: tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Additional files I just uploaded (not tested)
Date: 30 Aug 1992 00:14:05 -0500
Organization: Coffee R Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu


I just moved most of the files over to the downloading area at
mir.eco.utexas.edu; however, I did not receive e-mail describing the
following files:

	fontchk.arj
	lmkr11.arj

Unless someone objects over the next week, I'm going to go ahead and
erase lmkr11.arj, which appears to be an older version of LaunchMaker.
The other file however, I would appreciate a description of from the
contributor.

Also, on another topic thread, has anyone here gotten the developer
manuals?  I picked up a set when I visited John at Berkeley, and have
been picking over the Concepts volumes this week.  I like what I see
so far: solid, intelligent design trade-offs in what appears to be a
pretty rigorously-applied object oriented framework.

Since all this information does not appear to be covered under
non-disclosure, I was wondering if anyone has already started a
mailing list for future GW developers; I'd like to participate in a
forum that discusses and hashes out technical details before the SDK
is released.  This is a great opportunity: it's as if you were given
betas of Inside Macintosh and docs for a MacApp-like development
environment before the 128K was released.  I expect the ramp-up time
before any real development can commence will be similar.

Tony
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