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From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: On Egypt and arms to Bosnia
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:03:50 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
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aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:
: In article <1992Aug14.175040.22670@newshost.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
: >How nice it would be for the Egyptians to convert the arms the are
: >allegedly planning to send to Bosnia into food for their "neighbors"
: >in Somalia. BTW, aren't there Moslems in Somalia?
: >
: >lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
: 
: To answer your question, not nice at all.
: 
: Can you give us just one reason why the people in Somalia are more
: important than the people in Bosnia ?

  Actually, if you could help both, it would be wonderful. The problem is that
  Media has focused the interest on what is happening at Bosnia because of
  it's position in Europe. And they completely forgotten what is going at
  Somalia (which is by at least as dramatical than what is going at Bosnia).
  There are 1.5 million people (AND IT'S NOT AN OVERESTIMATION) who are
  starving and will die for sure in less than a month if they don't recieve
  urgent help. I don't know about the US, but most of the humanitarian
  organizations working there are French, and they have been giving the alarm
  and ignored for a long time. And maybe it's already TOO LATE for a few
  hundred thousands.
: 
: I am not saying that they are less important, as an Egyptian, I would
: say that we should help both of them if we can.

  Very well stated.
: 
: But to say "convert" the help from one place to another, you must have
: a good reason for doing this ?  do you have any  good reasons ?

  Maybe because Egypt have an easier access to Somalia than to Bosnia. And
  maybe because Europeans are against (at least until now) any external 
  intervention in favour of any side.
: 
: 
: --Mokhtar Aboelaze

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From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:25:56 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
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aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:
: In article <20399@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
: >
: >In Bosnia you have what is in effect a civil war, the premature
: >recognitions of the Yugoslav republics notwithstanding.  Getting
: >involved in a civil war is a very different matter from making
: >Saddam disgorge Kuwait.  Is this such a hard concept to grasp?
: 
: 
: Yes Dave, this is a hard concept for me to grasp.
: I find it difficult to believe that swallowing Kuwait is more
: repugnant than hundreds of thousands on innocent civilians suffering
: every single day. (it is not less repugnant though).

  Don't confuse moral issues with politics. From a moral, humanitarian point
of view, the suffering of Muslims in Bosnia IS unacceptable and disgusting,
and it should be stopped by all the means. Now if you try to put emotions
aside, a military intervention in a civil war will oblige the "super powers"
to do that each time there is a civil war. From a legal point of view, Serbia
isn't invading Bosnia, those are serbs from Bosnia who are doing this ugly
job. If the US (or anyone else) must help one side here, they will have the
obligation to take side in all the internal conflicts over the world (Lebanon,
Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq,...etc).
  Yes dear Mokhtar, it's immoral, but who said the we were living in a world
based on morals ?.

: 
: 
: >And America has no vital interests in Bosnia, but the Europeans need 
: >stability there.
: 
: That, I can understand, I don't like it but I can understand it.

  Unfortunately, it seems that the world has become so complex that we are
rarely asked to "like" (even in those "democratic" countries). All what we
can hope is that WE (Arabs) will be wise enough (nearly impossible) to escape
such a blood shed in our countries in the futur because NOONE will come to
our rescue. The US helped Kuwait because they had interests, PERIOD. Uncle
Sam isn't Santa clause, so don't go and ask him for help unless you have
something to give (and i prefer to starve before i beg Uncle Sam for help).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: chrisw@sco.COM (Christopher J. Wood)
Subject: Arabic Music
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:31:53 GMT



Hi,

I'm looking for some recommendations regarding
Arabic (Middle Eastern) music.

When I used to live in Detroit, MI. I used to 
occaisionally find that the "Arab Voice" tele-
vision program (on channel 62) would very
often feature musical segments.

I'm actually thinking of adapting this music
for the guitar, and was wondering what the
better known pieces of music are...

Thanks!

Chris Wood
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The Bigoted "M.G" at Cardif, Wales.
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
>
>Are you serious?
>the Baath Party both in Iraq and Syria is the main cause of killing thousands
>of innocent people. Most of the people from Iraq and Syria are 
>a ware that this Party is created by the French and supported
>by the British to cause as much as harm and destruction to these two
>Countries and to Middle East in the name of ARABISIM, and also to
>stop the Islamic movements, as you
>know very well that Mechele Aflag (the founder of the Party) is half
>jewish half christian 

	I guess you like to label any body who believes in the one
	Arab nation as being half Christian half Jew. What is wrong of
	being half Christian and half Jew, if that person was an honest 
	Arab to serve his nation why shall we discriminate against him 
	because of his religion. 

	If you are a real man please give us a proof that Michel Aflaq
	is a Christian-Jew otherwise your statement is a bigoted
	statement and full of hate. 

>and it is known that most of the christian in the
>Middle East DO NOT CARE LESS about the Country they live in. The majority
>of the christian in Iraq and Syria consider France is their mother Country
>and the Moslems had enough RUBBISH of ARABISIM and NATTIONALISIM.

	The other day you said you wanted to go to Iraq and Kill all
	the Palestinians now the you want to finish the Christians in
	the Mideast. Let me tell you some thing a bigoted person like
	you will never have a chance to harm a Palestinian or a
	Christian Arab. You getting all this hate for the Arabs and
	Christians from your master Khomeini please send it back to him.

	Your remarks about our fellow Arabs who are Christians is
	revolting and disgusting. Let me tell you this from a Muslim
	an old shoe of a Christian Arab is better than all of your
	Iranian human scum. 

	If you are so hateful to the Christians why are you living in a
	Christian  country. You are living in a christian country and
	having refuge between them, the Christians of Britain give you
	housing benifit and income support(food stamps in USA). Why are
	not you leaving them a lone and go to your master in Iran where
	you will enjoy the Islamic good life.

>The best way (and the only way) for the union is THE ISLAMIC UNION 
>(Atrue Islamic Union) not only between Iraq and Syria but all the 
>Moslem Countries in the region and then WE WILL BE STRONG AND POWERFULL.

	We will be strong and powerful when we get rid pf all the
	bogotry and hate you have in your heart if you have a heart.

>M.G
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.

A Jaber, England, U.K.
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From: gwydion@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Kissinger, Ajami, and Rather display Anti-Arab Bigotry at Israeli Benefit
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:49:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: /etc/organization

Waleed A Muhanna wrote:
  ...   But, I suppose that
  is perfectly okay for Mr. Shostack and the Shamir crowd since it serves 
  to reinforce zionist propaganda and spreads hatred and bigotry against 
  the Arabs.

In article <94066@bu.edu> gene@cs.bu.edu (Gene Itkis) writes:
  Isn't it funny - Waleed was decrying one man's making generalizations, if you
  forgot the context... So, are sweeping oversimplifications ok or not, Waleed?

As of this point, Waleed has only named two people: Shostack and
Shamir.  Waleed is no doubt aware of Shamir's political views, and is
therefore able to formulate an opinion that is appropriate for him.
He has had some exposure to Shostack's viewpoints, and should
therefore be able to do the same.

As of the above, he has definitively mentioned only two people.  Until
he says anything about who exactly the "crowd" is, I doubt that it can
be properly said that he is making any sweeping oversimplifications
based on his above statements.


Basalat Ali Raja.

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: A 'Tedrick' Tragedy And 'Tedrick' Amnesia About Subsequent Shock.
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:42:40 GMT






<5719@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)

>>>"WW1 can be of no use if it does not bring us Constantinople
>^^^^^^
>> It could be, perhaps, your head wasn't screwed on just right. 

>Some people will not recognize irony if it stares them
>in the face.

Well, it is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: DAY DREAMERS ABOUT ISTANBUL Part-2
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:43:44 GMT





<5701@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)

>> SURE, WE HAVE THIS POWER. JUST REMEMBER OUR INDEPENDENCE WAR, AND
>> X-SOVIEST-S DEMAND TO CONTROL THE STRAITS AFTER WWII. NOBODY COULD
>> SUCCEED TO TAKE IT FROM US, AND WILL NOT.

>Yes, be happy that you had NATO to back you up.

So you lie there with your earphones on. 'Karabekir' never heard
about 'NATO' or 'MARKO.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:50:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1392
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <20399@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>
>In Bosnia you have what is in effect a civil war, the premature
>recognitions of the Yugoslav republics notwithstanding.  Getting
>involved in a civil war is a very different matter from making
>Saddam disgorge Kuwait.  Is this such a hard concept to grasp?


Yes Dave, this is a hard concept for me to grasp.
I find it difficult to believe that swallowing Kuwait is more
repugnant than hundreds of thousands on innocent civilians suffering
every single day. (it is not less repugnant though).


>And America has no vital interests in Bosnia, but the Europeans need 
>stability there.

That, I can understand, I don't like it but I can understand it.

>      	  So the West has many fewer reasons to get involved
>in Bosnia.  Humanitarian concerns are definitely an issue in the West,
>but there are a lot of places in the globe that need help and we can't
>help them all...
>

Dave, you started your article by criticizing him for wantig to help
Moslems and not every one suffering.
So, are you saying it is morally worng for a Moslem to want to help
another Moslem, But it is O.K. for any one 
to help people whom he has business interests with.

>--
>Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
>Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4089      
>Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
>The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.

Mokhtar Aboelaze
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,alt.war
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Muslim leaders to form islamic army for Muslim Slavs (WW3)
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.192641.2060@src.umd.edu> josip@src.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>Mr. Lawrence Eagleberger (No. 2 in the U.S. State Department) said last
>year that this conflict will go on "until they get tired of killing
>each other".  This kind of talk reminds me of racism: it ignores the reasons 
>for conflict and implies that Balkan peoples enjoy war as sport.  
>Nothing could be more wrong: Balkan history is so bloody that people were 
>"tired of killing each other" long before the war even started.

OK, so your argument is that the basis of this conflict is Serb
attempts at domination, and everyone else trying to avoid it.

Yet you claim the cause of the war is not racism.  What the heck else
is Serb domination besides racism?  What is ethnic clensing?

That sounds like racism...political racism, but racism nonetheless.

I think the Balkan people will keep killing each other until they
realize the wages of racial hatred is death and war.

The question we (who have alot of money and technology to throw 
around acting like God) have to ask is should we let the Balkan
people learn this lesson by destroying their entire population,
or should we basically terrorize them into submission and acceptance
of racial equality.  (What else would a military action in
f. Yugoslavia be, except terror?  We'll never clear out all the
military forces.  Course, we might as well go ahead and
tell Belgrade to cease fire or be nuked if we _really_ wanted to
go ahead and use military terror, but I guess that's not a really
PC move...but ya know, now that I think of it, fewer people might
die if we do that.)

-Tom
From: ilyess@davinci.concordia.ca (Ilyess Bdira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: On Egypt and arms to Bosnia
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:53:51 GMT
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <1400@yetti.UUCP> aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:
>
>Can you give us just one reason why the people in Somalia are more
>important than the people in Bosnia ?
>
>I am not saying that they are less important, as an Egyptian, I would
>say that we should help both of them if we can.
but your government is doing neither, actually what it is doing is
the opposite:
1)supporting one of the rival parties in Somalia. (you may wonder
why? well you wouldn't ask this question if you knew that one of the
other parties in the conflict is a "proSudanese faction" as one western
newspaper put it yesterday (I do not remember which).
2) Preventing Egyptians from collecting donation for Bosnia..

All of this fit well with the picture I have about Mubarak.

>
>But to say "convert" the help from one place to another, you must have
>a good reason for doing this ?  do you have any  good reasons ?
>

You see, Bosnia is none of our business: it is European and Christian
territory, while Somalia and the third world  in general is where Muslims 
and Islam belong.. You get the draft?

The original poster may have meant that Somalia is closer to Egypt and
therefore more deserving of Help than Bosnia, though.


>
>--Mokhtar Aboelaze
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: arabic music lover needs info
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:02:28 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

U53048@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
: hi  I am an american who is trying to find some names of arabic singers and pla
: ces I can buy their recordings.  Also, I once heard a female singer in Cairo (a
:  tape) and apparently she is the most famous Egyptian singer, but I don't know
: her name.  Any information would be much appreciated.

  The most famous Egyptian singer is Umm Kulthum. 
: 
:                                                      Salaam,
:                                                              Don

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: terry@ora.com (Terry Allen)
Subject: Yuzjani = Buzjani
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:01:28 GMT

Dear Netters:
Apologies for my ignorance.  The Abu'l-Wafa al-Yuzjani I
inquired about yesterday is obviously Abu'l-Wafa al-Buzjani
or Buzajani (see Encyclopaedia of Islam, 2nd ed., s.v.
Abu'l-Wafa).  He was a famous mathematician, b. 328/940.
The work I inquired about, Al-mifatih bi'l-hukuma, appears
not to be extant.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 10:25:11 EDT
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Stop the cross posting
 <11AUG199202141573@numep2.phys.nwu.edu> <1992Aug11.083835.4717@wam.umd.edu>
 <413@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP>

From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Subject: Re: Stop the cross posting
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew Int'l Ltd., Tokyo
                       _______________________________

In article <413@ub-tky.ubspd.co.jp> Bach Frederic writes:


>In article <1992Aug11.083835.4717@wam.umd.edu> endevour@wam.umd.edu (...)
>writes:

>who gives a shit : stop the cross-postings.
>--
>*  __  _  *    Fred "I'll be" Bach  (tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic))
>* ||_ /_| *                                             (Tel. : 813-3597-1595)
>* || /__| *    Arnold, who are you going to be when you grow up ? I'll be Bach
>*         *                Je suis athee, Dieu merci. -B. Bach
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


What is this awful smell lingering around you Fred Bach? Ahhh..it's nauseating!

The joke's on you Bach.

You didn't have to sign on....but you did!
You didn't have to access that group....but you did!
You didn't have to read that article....but you did!
You didn't have to take the time to react....but you did!
You didn't have to be so obnoxious with your stinky comment....but you are!

In other words...YOU gave a shit....and that explains the stink.


          ----------                                       ---------
                     La merde te va bien Frederic Bach             
              Tu peux meme la trouver en differentes couleures     
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 17 Aug 1992 11:27:59 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>
>Are you claiming that the west somehow controls the oil producing countries.
>20 years of very stormy relations give the lie to this statement.  I suppose
>the oil embargoes of the 70's and the 80's were orchestrated by the west
>as a cover up, to hide the fact that they were actually in charge.
>


1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
   the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
   actually decreased.
2: All the major oil producers (especially Muslims) are in the
   bag of West. Be it Saddam or Fahad.
3: Why else such a coercion and black mailing to get all on for
   the alliance in the Gulf war? Those who could not be threatened
   were actually bribed _ eg. China.


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From: terry@ora.com (Terry Allen)
Subject: Abu'l-Wafa al-Yuzjani
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:41:27 GMT

Dear Netters:
	I'm looking for information on a book by Abu'l-Wafa
al-Yuzjani (should be Juzjani?), titled Kitab akhbar al-hukuma,
probably on astronomy or mathematics.  Please reply by e-mail
to terry@ora.com

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards, Terry Allen


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From: gene@cs.bu.edu (Gene Itkis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Kissinger, Ajami, and Rather display Anti-Arab Bigotry at Israeli Benefit
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:04:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gene@csd

In article <1992Aug19.184516.11856@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:
>...   But, I suppose that
>is perfectly okay for Mr. Shostack and the Shamir crowd since it serves 
>to reinforce zionist propaganda and spreads hatred and bigotry against 
>the Arabs.

Isn't it funny - Waleed was decrying one man's making generalizations, if you
forgot the context... So, are sweeping oversimplifications ok or not, Waleed?
-- 
 ---
	Gene Itkis		(gene@cs.bu.edu)
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