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From: cluster@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (General Access)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Theory about rec.mus.ind
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:27:56 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1dm7e3INNgjk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jaa@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Ambrose) writes:



>i'll keep this short.(maybe not that short)
>After reading responses to such posts as "letter to Bill Clinton", "NIN"
>and other similiar ones I have come to a conclusion.  You may already know
>this, but I am gonna say this anyway.

>       There are a few  kinds of people on his board. The Knowing, the think they
>know, and the totally clueless.
>There are people on this board who say (maybe not a direct  quote) "Nitzer
>Ebb is  brilliant. they are minimalist"....."Trent Reznors lyrics are
>brilliant".... (i'm not attacking anyone personally here, these are just
>examples of things people have said)  I'd put these type of people into the
>"Think they know" category.
>       There are people on this  board who ask questions like "what is the best
>Nine inch nails album?" or "Are there any other bands like Front 242?" I
>put these people in the "Clueless" category. There is no reason though that
>these  people may not move  up in class  eventually. I dont mean any harm
>by using the word clueless. (i'm just referring to their knowledge of
>"industrial" music)
>       Then there are people who post things about what Tibet 93 is going
>to do next week or if anyone has the first release from Throbbing Gristle
>for sale. They know things like.. the term industrial was originally meant
>for bands like Throbbing Gristle(scince they started  the "Industrial
>Records" record label), Current 93, Nocturnal Emissions and so forth.      
>These  people are  in the "Knowing" category.

>You see I started off in the totally clueless  category. I thought Depeche
>Mode was cool.... Then i progressed (or digressed). I bought "Pretty hate
>Machine" and other "cool" ind. dance stuff. I saw  NIN 3 times, Nitzer Ebb
>once, and many other  "industrial concerts".  Then i took the next step
>into the knowing.  I grabbed a throbbing Gristle record and my life was
>changed. I realized what wimps and pathetic  whiners people like Trent
>Reznor were. I saw the light.  I realized what I may have thought was
>minimalist was actually fake poppy youth angst bullshit. I mean anyone can
>change. You "industrial dance" fans may one day "see the light" and sit in
>your room for a couple hours blasting  "The best of NON" through your
>stereo, and think "wow" this is incredibly cooler than "waaahhh my
>girlfriend's a bitch.... you get what you deserve grrrrr".

>Anyway, any posts under this account on rec.mus.ind are not done by Joe
>Anbrose they are done by  people unknown to you... so dont flame Joe. You
>can send mail to his address though. 

>thanx for your time ya' bastards.

>Mystery Man


>-- 
Stop talking shite child.

Elitists- dont you just love them!
From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Negativland makes eggs....
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:26:41 GMT
Organization: Malice=


Hey gang....

You know that "Perfect Scrambled Eggs" song that Negativland does on their cur-
rent tour?  Well, I know for a fact that it IS somewhere on record(or CD even),
since I heard it this summer on a college station.  The DJ at the time said it
was on a Ralph Records comp.  Well, I have 3 questions about it:

1)  What's the name of the comp.?

2)  Where or how can I get a copy of it?

3)  Who are the other artists, and are they also worth the price?

Thank you...


--- WE@SEL

front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU

"What do cars have to do with it?"
				-- NEGATIVLAND

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Meat Beat Man.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:53:41 GMT

The 17th(about five hours ago) the dinna play in denver, but
in Boulder, CO. If I liked their musik,I would've paid the $15
to see them....
I dinna.
coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
shadowshadowshadowWhy?

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From: dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake)
Subject: Fatima Mansions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:29:08 GMT

The people in alt.music.alternative say that the Fatima Mansions released a CD
over the summer in Europe, does anyone here know if they plan on releasing any
of their new stuff over here in the US?  Either Valhalla Avenue or the 
EP 'Bertie's Brochures'...

-Danl

"Go back to England baby raper." -FM
From: thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Montreal Clubs?
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:47:55 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines


In article <1992Nov15.194810.5183@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus) writes:
|> I'll be visiting said town in a week or two. Any cool clubs/record stores
|> ect. I should check out while I'm there? I seem to remember someone posting
|> an "industrial guide" to a canadian city. If it was Montreal, please repost...
|> 
|> -Misquamicus

The first thing one should do is get a copy of Mirror Magazine (and Voir if 
you can read French), which is a free alternative newspaper published
weekly. Here is a list of clubs and record stores I frequent.

clubs:

Foufounes Electriques, 87 Ste-Catherine Est
Crowd and music is very ecletic (punk, industrial, heavy metal, teckno, 
reggae etc.). Should have something for you regardless of your
taste and it is a great club to just wander around in. Not as good
as it once was but you should still check it out. Monday is the best night
followed by Saturday and Friday. Great place to see bands.

La Nausee, on St-Laurent at Ste-Catherine
Typical industrial/goth club where everyone (almost) wears black and listens
to Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Sisters of Mercy and Bauhaus. For some reason I
like to go there. The best nights are Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

Dax, 294 Ste-CAtherine Est
Small club where all the punks hang out and get drunk. Music is very good
(but then again I am friends with the dj). Sunday is cyberpunk night.

record stores:

Dutchy`s, 1587 St-Laurent
Great selection of alterntive music, but bring plenty of $$.

Bunker, St-Laurent between Milton and Prince Arthur
Small store, but what they do have is very obscure and very interesting.

l`Oblique, ???? Mont Royal 
Good selection of alternative and experimental music.


If you would like any additional information email me.

Thomas
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: KMFDM
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:39:12 GMT

In article <Bxxzqv.1uv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (
effrey Alan Koppi) writes:
>
>
>What does KMFDM stand for...if it's an acronym.
>
>Jeff Koppi
>koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu


 Um, Kollektiv der Muzak und Freundlich Deutschen Marken... (So my German
sucks...) Or perhaps it's "Klein Maschinen und Freudische Dilden Machen"
:-) Or maybe iut's not even in German, maybe it's "Kylie Minogue's Friends
Don't Masturbate" or some such blather...


St. Anthony

For our German speaking netters baffled by my bumblings the phrases
translate from my fractured German to Collective for Muzak and Friendly
German Marks (complete gibberish in any language...) and Little Machines
and Making Freudian Dildos...


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          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu (paul moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Meat Beat Sample
Summary: industrial deja vu
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:21:46 GMT
Organization: technology>>works


   I was laid up in bed on Friday night with a massive head
cold and had the TV tuned to PBS because the animal channel
was showing WWII films again.  They were playing a film called
The Big Bang that was sort of interesting, reminded me a great
deal of Diane Keaton's Heaven but not as good.  Eyes shut, mind
drifting when a voice says "One day I woke up in Miami."  Then
I bolt up and realize just about everything from MBM's "Your
Mind Belongs To The State" is from this movie.  I am not sure
of the very first dialogue in the song (can someone rent this
movie and verify?).  Also, the sample "We are going to program
you" (in the same song) is from Mark Stewart's "Passevication
Program."  

paul/tw


-- 
pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu         technology>>works          ...ucsd!ucrmath!pdm
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Ministry video
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:14:28 GMT

Drummer w/johnny rotten/lawnmower man appearance= Martin Atkins
"       w/tie =  William Rieflin
So what Vox= Chris Connelly
guitar w/cowboy hat = ?mike scaccia??
guitarist w/lotta hair= "mike from rigor mortis"
other vox on Thieves(besides Ogre)= Corey O'brien
taller guitarist with bouncy black hair= William Tucker
Methinks that's everyone....
coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
shadowshadowshadowWhy?
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Pigface 'Fook' Review?
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:07:03 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

As needed, a brief review:

1. Alles Ist Mein- this is an interesting ditty when you break down all
the funky little sampled bits, but otherwise, it's a german(duh) speed
thrash(but not too fast!) kind of piece. the guitar is not overwhelming, 
and En Esch spits out more German in a second than...uh...(ok, sorry, no 
good allusions or similes or whatever...)

2.Ten Ground and Down-  Very good, instead of a bassline, this song has
a cello line. With Chris Connelly and Ms. Rankine on vocals, it presents
itself as a rather disturbing(in a positive way) melody, going from 
soft to hard(listen to it)...

3.seven words- this is a highly distorted short song with Mary Mary Byker on
vocals. not very discernable, but tasty indeed. 

4.Insemination- Ogre, Atkins...what else can I say?(hear it!)

5.Hips Tits Lips Power- a vocal collaboration between Ms.Rankine and Mr.Mary
Byker, a very throbbing piece, really sticks in your head. lots of Bass guitar
on this one, accomplished by Andy Weiss and Paul Raven.

6.Satellite- Mary byker wails this one. very slow, sensual, 'rockish', mellow...
 
7.AutoHag- Mary Byker sings this distorted song, interesting use of cymbals,
Marty.  guitar is a main instruament in this slow-quick-slow song...

8.GO!- Ogre and En Esch on vocals, very angry, destructive, follows a 
soft-loud-soft kinda thingy... (hear it!)

9.I'm still Alive- En Esch On vocals, backed by Ogre(with an oddly arranged
voice processor) on the chorus. very AciDic, almost poppy through the chorus.

10.I can do no wrong- Chris Connelly on the vox, Marty (again) on the drums,
yet another very good, near-dancy song. Kinda makes you want to stand up, adn
move or something....

I apologise if I've incorrectly placed these in order, but hey, who cares?
Overall, I love this album as much as the others. It is much more refined,
as if they have a definite sense of direction on this, but who knows
into what they'll evolve over this next month-long tour????

coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Negativland in Madison?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:37:24 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

I haven't been able to successfully get ahold of RR station in Madison, where  
Negativland (according to the schedule) is supposed to be playing on Sunday..  
is anyone aware of whether or not that is still happening?  (The RR station did  
NOT list it on its answering machine message as an upcoming event, even though  
they did mention a lot of stuff after it.  (Should I worry?  I really am not  
very excited about the idea of driving four hours to find out it was  
cancelled..)

--
schmotsignature.
Paul Hagstrom
(hagstrop@carleton.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G)
Subject: Re: Ministry video
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:14:34 GMT

In article <41408@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cse264ce@cs.ucsd.edu (....What Is?....) writes:
>I'm sure this has been posted before, but can someone ID all the people
>in "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up"?
>
>I recognize Al and Paul, and someone told me that's Nivek Ogre with
>the "FUCK ART LET'S KILL" shirt, and Jello does the flag pledge, but
>I'm lost on everyone else.  Who is:
>
>The drummer wearing a tie

   -- Martin Atkins of Killing Joke, Pigface, etc...
 

>The drummer that looks like Lawnmower Man
 
   -- Bill Rieflin


>The cowboy guitarist

 
 
   -- ??

 

>The other guitarist you see little of, a large guy with curly hair

   -- ??
>The guy who sings on "So What"


   -- Chris Connelly of Revolting Cocks

>The guy with the kneepads who sings on "Thieves"

   -- ??

B
B


>
>...did I miss anyone?  I'm going to see them at the O'Brien Pavillion
>in San Diego, CA on December 29th (general admission!!!!!!) and would
>like to know who the heck is on stage.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve Boswell
>whatis@ucsd.edu
>"The country, right now, it wants to be soothed"   --Lard
From: idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (idbremne)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Where is My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:59:44 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada

I have not seen Hide Nor Hair Of tkk on this net.

All that i have seen is way too much of...

	"You like _____?  How can you call yourself a real person."

I would like to see more off "Hey check out some of this..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: string@wrs.com (String)
Subject: Re: Meat Beat Sample
Organization: x.x
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:25:33 GMT

>The album is also *FULL* of samples from the late 70's Science Fiction parody
>"Dark Star" (excerpted dialog includes "Do you think we'll every find any real
>intelligent life out there?  Who Cares?," 

I've been wondering about this one since around 1980 (or before),
It is used on a Human League song from a compilation called _Mutant Pop_.
The LP is pretty cool, as it is all 'basement' recordings from groups
like Gang of Four and The Mekons (+ several  I can't remember).

-string.

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: nzander@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Don't Fall In The Audio Hole...(eYe)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:54:12 GMT

This is a request for just general information:

I know that eYe (Boredoms,...) is in New York right now and that the
	Boredoms play with Sonic Youth every once in a while, but
	does someone know what the situation is.  I mean, is eYe actually
	in NY playing shows that you can actually go to, are the Boredoms
	touring with Sonic Youth?

Please, any info on whatever or even a confermation of what I know is
	greatly apprciated.


Merry Christmas,

-Nouri

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: PIGFACE..nobonesaboutit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:18:59 GMT

I know not of a listing, but they'll be here(CO) the 30th of Nov.
ChrisCo is with Ministry right now, so I know not if he'll make this 
tour. 
 David Yow never toured with PigfacE(to my knowledge)  No bones about it.

coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
shadowshadowshadowWhy?

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Meat Beat Man.
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:28:53 GMT

humphrie@wam.umd.edu (James B. Humphries) writes:

>Ah... assuming the visa problem is correct... could someone post a list
>of US tour dates?

17th	Denver
18th	Salt Lake City
19th	San Francisco
21st	Los Angeles
22nd	Tuscon
25th	Houston
26th	Dallas?
-- 
		       "I'm Slash man, Slash!" - Slash

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: ash50842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avumede)
Subject: Zeni Geva's "Godflesh"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:55:08 GMT

A while ago I bought the Zeni Geva album "Total Castration".  Good album.
They have a song called "Godflesh" on it, which is, in my opinion, the best
song on there.

Originally, I assumed it must be a cover of Godflesh's song "Godflesh", 
although I'm not really sure Godflesh has such a song.  On the album, though
it has no mention of the song being written by anyone other than Zeni Geva.
In fact, the album doesn't say much of anything as to who write the songs.

So... original or cover song?  You tell me...

Also, a quick question, what IS the name of Godflesh's first album?  Simply
"Godflesh" I think, but, again, I'm not sure...

Well thanks for any help you can give me

-Avumede
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: PTV for sale
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:04:01 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu



Yea..you were right...

Your friend certainly was high.

Those prices are a pipe dream.


A note..if you want to charge that kinda cash..you really should tell
us what shape the sleeves are in, what shape the discs are in, are they
promo, if so, are they notched or drilled...cuz if I am gonna shell out
$60 for a 12" (and pay for shipping!)..I would like to know if there are
any nicks, scratches, bent corners, fading, warps, static, if the albums
are still sealed, if played...how worn are they..etc.etc.etc.

Cuz the last thing I want is a disc that was used as a coaster at your last 
party..or whatever....


Later.
-justin

Grad student and collector-scum.

(oh yea..and if the disc is "limited"..how limited...one of 2500, 10000,
100000, or what?)...

not a flame..just a suggestion.
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Coil's _How To Destroy Angels_ CD reissue
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:25:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Nov18.052510.26354
Organization: Bradley University


_How to Destroy Angels_
"New Remixes and Recordings of the rare 1984 Coil EP"

1. The Sleeper			 2:04
2. Remotely			16:57
3. The Sleeper II		 5:21
4. Tectonic Plates		 6:59
5. Dismal Orb			 7:32
6. How to Destroy Angels II	16:27
7. Absolute Elsewhere	 	  :02

This is all excellent ambient industrial.  I can't say I've ever
heard better.  I generally am bored by white noise washes, and
Hafler Trio is ok, but not thrilling.  This CD, however, is
a very welcome addition to my collection, and one that I will
listen to a lot.

My SO swears the first track was made from a sample of some
childhood toy.  I agree that the sound is really familiar.
Can anyone identify it?

Track 2 sounds like lots of gong-type sounds layered together.

Track 3 is an organish thing, with of course a reprise of the
rubber toy sound, as the title would indicate.

Track 4 is raw metal grinding and clanging sounds.  VERY nice, building
to several loud crescendos of white noise, and finally sounding almost
organish at points.

Track 5 is more organic and subtle, and draws you into some really
dark ambience.  My SO's description, which I second, is "descent
into madness music".

The title track seems to draw a lot of these sounds together,
with echos of gongs, the rubber toy thing, the metal sounds, etc.

The last track is, as it's length indicates, pretty much non-existent
as far as I can tell.  Unless there's some subtle joke there, like
the Orb's "Sticky End", which apparently is a sample of an elephant
defecating.


Track 4 is the one that stands out most to me, but then I've only
had this for a relatively short while, and it's been competing with
many other new things.  Definitely a recommended disk though.  On a normal
type scale, say 0-5, I'd rate this a definite 5.  I don't know about
the dunG scale....


I'm still curious for someone familiar with the original to mention
how this compares, and what the specific differences are.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         So the odds against him were higher than a vanload of hippies
                   on a blotterful of Owlsley's Old Original.
                           There was still a chance.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Borghesia's politics?
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 05:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.044847.8226@uvm.edu> coan@griffin (Brian M Coan) wr
tes:
>In a recent posting, someone said they objected to Borghesia's 
>politics. Eh? They are anarchists? How can you not like anarchists!
>
>:)
>
>No seriously, they inspired lots of youths in Yugoslavia (when it
>existed). They are leftists, but were active against the bastard commie
>state, as far as I know.
>
>Now, the band to object to is Laibach. Fuck heads. But I don't wanna
>discuss that. (Actually, maybe the original poster meant he objected
>to Laibach's politics, not Borghesia's. If so, disregard this wasted
>band-width!)
>
>	Techne


 What exactly _are_ Laibach's politics and what about them should be
detested? All I can gather is a liking of Nazi Kunst and a tendency
towards socialism and collectivism. These can be independant of the ethnic
cleansing that was attempted by the Germans in WWII and the accompanying
ethnic intolerance. We don't have to assume that this is the stance of
Laibach. Also consider Slovenia's position in the  schizm of Jugoslavia,
whatever that may be... They certainly aren't Serb goons. I suppose I
could be wrong on a few points. What's happening in that country isn't
very clear to me. I know what I hear, but I've never been in the mind of a
Serb or a Croat. I have no idae what motivates the Serbs against the other
ethnic groups. Why do they consider themselves superior? (Avoid the
obvious question, "why should any race or group feel superior". I'm
concerned about the motivation behind the Serbian ideals...) Does their
racial intolerance parallel that of the Germans against the Jews in the
WWII era? If Laibach promote ethnic intolerance, then their politics would
be abhorred...

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu