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From: lee@wang.com (Lee Story)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:48:28 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids,misc.education
Distribution: na
Organization: Wang Laboratories, Inc.


The rest of Mr.King's post is so reasonable and well-stated that I
suspect the apparent opinion expressed here is the result of a misprint.

>>        i)  The Catholic religion does not allow sex before marriage
>>   and believe their children should not be exposed to this.

> Religion is not allowed to impose its' views in public schools, so why
> should the public schools be allowed to impose a view that opposes
> someone's religious viewpoint?

They shouldn't, but this is a red herring.  "Impose a view" is not the
same as exposing a student to a differing opinion, or providing
arguments for that opinion.  It's impossible to "educate" without
offending the tenets of SOME religion, and surely you're not saying
that the schools should cosy up the Catholicism while trashing
DumDumGooglism?
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  Lee Story (lee@wang.com) Wang Laboratories, Inc.
              (Merrimack Valley Paddlers)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rquattro@convex.com (Renee Quattromani)
Subject: Thanks for Happy Stories on Tubal Pregnancies
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 19:36:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I really appreciate all the stories with happy endings after
having a tubal pregnancy.  It has added much to my morale
after this ordeal.  I am now even ready to consider getting
pregnant again after June.  Knowing that there are many happy
endings, with multiple healthy babies born to others who have
gone through similiar challenges has done wonders to calm some
of my fears and concerns.  All of you out there are really great!

I have saved all of the responses to my posts and am trying to get
back to everyone, so I hope you will bear with me.

Thanks again!

Renee Quattromani
214-497-4827
rquattro@convex.com


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hardend@lonexb.rl.af.mil (Debbie D. Harden)
Subject: Re: bowling while pregnant?
Organization: RADC
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:27:45 GMT

In article <29826@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
>
>Have any of you bowled while pregnant and if so for how far into
>your pregnancy (I'm currently 16 weeks). My OB said not to lift
>anything over 25 lbs not because I would hurt my pregnancy but may
>hurt myself.  My bowling ball is 10-12 lbs and my husband thinks I
>shouldn't bowl since I may get hurt swinging the ball.  I'm obviously
>going to ask my OB about it but wanted to hear from the netters also.
>
> -rhonda
>
Hi Rhonda,

I bowled in a league which ended when I was about 7 months.  The only thing
I was concerned about was the amount of smoke in the bowling alley.  My team
mates all smoked but did so away from me.  I used a 12 pound ball.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Debbie Harden                  I've been first and last
Rome Laboratory                Funny how the time goes past
hardend@lonex.rl.af.mil                   - Neil Young
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Preparing for Breastfeeding
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:53:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

I remember that you should avoid soaping the nipples while you're pregnant,
not just once you're breastfeeding, as the soap dries the skin and makes it
less resistant to cracks.  I use a washcloth (wet) to rub the nipples and
that seems to provide enough "toughening".  I never had any trouble with
breastfeeding my daughter, until I had to go back to work -- but that's
another story. :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: More on Girls in Math and Science
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 05:22:55  -2
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea) writes:

> other men. I have attended a boys-only highschool and therefore can attest
> that it is Hell. The athomsphore deteriotarates remakably in single-sex
> environments. For some strange reason, people seem to behave better and
> livelier in co-ed situations.

I wouldn't totally agree with you there...presently I am the only female pupil
at Catholic boy's high school. I have gone back to school to gain further
qualifications. I'm actually at school with two of my sons :-)

I find the atmosphere great...the boys are lively and thier behaviour is
fine!! It in noway resembles Hell....

Karen.
From: lamping@parc.xerox.com (John Lamping)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Books
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:28:28 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC

This is Anne Paulson, posting from her husband's account:

watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes:

>In article <31915@darkstar.ucsc.edu> larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee) writes:
>>I just love books.  I read very quickly, and everything about
>>pregnancy and childbirth is very interesting to me.  The next book I
>>want is is an embryology text.  And then there is the wide, wonderful
>>world of child development books: I only have about 5 books on early
>>infancy, and I hope very much to have a need to know a great deal more
>>than that before too many more years go by.

>Take my advice.  Read as many books as you can now before you have any
>babies, because later there won't be time for much reading (unless you 
>count Dr. Seuss and the other books you will read - over and over again 
>- to your children).  I used to read tons and tons of books, even though 
>I'm a very slow reader, but now I'm lucky if I can completely finish 
>even one or two a month in the little 15-minute snatches I can eek out 
>during a typical day.  15 minutes in the bathroom, 15 minutes before I
>go to sleep at night after the baby sleeps. Etc.  (Gee, I wish somebody 
>had told me this before my first child was born.  Actually, somebody 
>did, but I didn't take it seriously at the time.)

Tracy, don't despair.  There's plenty of time to read with a new baby;
you just read while you nurse.  I went through hundreds of books in
Will's first year.

-- Anne Paulson
annep@momenta.com
From: cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Padaroosky lyrics
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:49:24 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <ku964uINNfck@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> brenda@bookhouse.Eng.Sun.COM  
(Brenda Bowden) writes:
> "Padaroosky..." was one of my all-time favorite silly camp songs. I can  
only
> remember bits and pieces of it -- does anyone remember the lyrics?

Here's the version I learned at Camp Indewendawen in New Jersey:

I was born one night one morn,
when the whistle went boom boom,
you can fry a cake,
or buy a steak,
when the mudpies are in bloom!
Does six plus six make nine?
Does ice grow on a vine,
Is old black Joe an Eskimo
in the good-old summertime?

Oh, loop-de-loop in the noodle soup,
just to give my socks a shine,
I'm guilty judge, I ate the fudge,
Three cheers for auld-langsyn!
I cannot tell a lie, I hocked an apple pie,
It's in a tree, beneath the sea, 
above the bright blue sky!

If easter eggs don't wash their legs,
their children will have ducks.
Quack Quack!
I'd rather buy a lemon pie for forty-seven bucks too much.
When down in Barcelonia, 
I fell into the foam-i-a.
But that is all balonia
Padaroosky blow your horn, toot toot!.
From: Linda_Walmer@TRANSARC.COM
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: laparascopy and meterodin treatment
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:53:01 GMT










My sister is about (in 2 weeks) to have laparoscopy surgery.  She has
been trying to get pregnant for about 2-2.5 years.  She has been on
serafen (spelling sure to be wrong), for a couple of doses.  They have
done another test which is an internal exam, but I forget the name of it.
They have also done a lot of monitoring of all the hormones and etc.
I think that the serafen did not work as it was raising her hormones,
but she was not ovulating.  I'm not sure about this.

Anyway, they have decided to give her meterodin treatment (injections
of some hormones, with monitoring to decide each day what to inject).
Before they do this the doctor is doind laparoscopy surgery to check
things out.

She is very anxious about all of this, the surgery, the effectiveness
of the hormone treatments, and getting pregnant (finally as she
says).  I would appreciate any information that I can pass on
to her about these topics.   She is of course really hoping
to become pregnant with the first dose of meterodin, but I have told
her that a couple of posts I saw a while ago indicated it took more
than one try on this medication.

Thanks for your replys in advance!


Linda Walmer
walmer@transarc.com
From: pgallant@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sleepless Nights
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:39:00 GMT


Speaking of sleepless nights.  I've been getting them lately and I'm
a little baffled.  Lately my son has been waking up during the night
crying.  When I go in to see what the problem is, he lifts his arms
up and points to the door like he wants to get out of his room.  He's
13 months btw.  At first I just hold him for a minute and talk to him,
but them my arm starts giving out (he's 27 lbs.) and I try to put him
back in the crib but he clings and starts to cry.  Then I stand for
a minute and he's fine.  Then I try to sit in the rocking chair and he
almost goes into a panic.  He always has his fingers in his mouth so 
I think he might be getting some molars (isn't this the time for first
molars).  I decide to go downstairs to get the teether out of the fridge
and give it to him.  He seems happy with this for the moment so I go 
to the couch and sit with him.  He's not happy with sitting but he's
okay in a few minutes.  We sit for a few minutes in the dark, but he
gets restless and starts kicking and whining.  I try to give him a 
cold bottle, but he takes a few sips and decides he really doesn't
want it.  After another few minutes I decide he's going back to bed
whether he likes it or not, so I bring him back upstairs.  I put him
in the crib and he's fine.  I give him is blanket and realize that
I should give him some tylenol, but it's down stairs and he's seems
okay.  I say goodnight and leave the room and he's asleep in a minute.

I don't get it.  Could he be having nightmares and just needs to get
out of him room, or is he teething and the pain subsides by the
time he gets back to the crib.  I tried to feel in his mouth, but
I can't feel anything.  This is the second time he's done this this week.
He's usually a very good sleeper.

Thanks.


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From: gazit@antigone.usc.edu (Salit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Date: 6 Apr 1992 12:07:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: antigone.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr06.141556.22851@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>cutoff to August 1.  I think the idea of a cutoff date is stupid - if
>they're ready, let them go.  If they're not ready, wait a year.  Like
>Paula said, it (ought to) always depend on the child, not his birthdate.

It *ought*, but unfortunately if you don't put a cutoff date you have the
problem that school screening exam is not very good in screening out the
academically-ready-but-emotionally-not-ready kids. My husband (born in
December) had been the youngest, smallest and weakest in his class, because
the school psychologist only paid attention to academic readiness and his
parents were all too proud enroling their bright son early. Had there been
a cut off date, he would have waited for a year and that would have benefitted
him much, IMO.

However, the trend postponing all kids by a year worries me. At this rate
my son (birthday mid-July) will end up being the youngest in his class when
kindergarden time comes...

>Michele

Salit
gazit@iris.usc.edu

Xref: sparky misc.kids:13097 rec.pets.dogs:5686
From: pwe@slipknot.mit.edu (Paul W. Emery)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Baby and flea collar
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:14:07 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology

We have a nine month old daughter and a three year old dog Jesse.I would
like to know how people have handled the flea collar problem if it is a
problem ? Is there a natural repellent that is harmless to kids ? We use
scratchtex and leave it on year round.
Thanks

.

-- 
pwe@slipknot.mit.edu                  "  'ave a good time,all the time
Paul W. Emery                            that's my philosophy"
M I T Magnet Lab Cambridge Mass U.S.A.    -Viv Savage(dec)- Spinal Tap.
               
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Children and freedom of choice (was Re: Working full-time out of choice
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:07:33 GMT


In article <1992Apr01.010630.942858@locus.com>, Judy Leedom Tyrer writes:

  What you are describing [family bed, loose limits on food] is not bad parenting, 
  but DIFFERENT parenting.  And
  it doesn't harm the children.  In fact, if anything, I would say they are less
  stifled and more self regulating than children who grow up with very strict
  limits.  
  
Then, In article <1992Apr11.020125.901960@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
  Sure, it's nice to say, "Hey, like I really dig cultural diversity and everyone
  should do her own thing", but that is not the reality of the society in which
  we live.  We have, as a society, taken upon us the mantel of caring for ALL
  children, our own and other people's.  We have taken upon us the mantel of
  determining what is best for ALL kids.  

Question:  Would the real J.L.T. please stand up?

Either 
(1) There is One True Way of Parenting, and people who don't hew to
    it are, intentionally or not, bad parents, and should be scorned

or
(2) There are a lot of different ways you can raise children, 
    and we're all doing the best we can.

Now, I personally prefer rule (2); it leads to livelier, more courteous
discussions, and is more likely to lead to my learning something from the
discussion than "You're wrong, and your children will suffer for it."

But Judy has been demanding that we be flexible in accepting *her*
divergences from the norm, but has been rigid in judging parents who
deviate from the norm in ways that she disapproves of -- particularly
parents, who, having read the studies and thought deeply, have decided
that daycare is the best solution for their families.  Not very consistent --
if you're going to preach the gospel of open-mindedness, you ought at 
least to try to be open-minded yourself.

We're all trying to do the best we can; I don't think I've heard
a parent post here who wasn't concerned about his/her children,
or who wasn't trying to learn from others' experience.  I wish more
of the posters would cut each other some slack.

I don't approve of every childrearing practice of even my closest
friends; but when I'm talking to other parents about something they
believe in passionately, I try to bite my tongue.  Childrearing, like
religion, is an emotional topic; it behooves us to lean over backwards
to maintain politeness when discussing it.

"Brethren, I beseech you, in the Bowels of Christ, to consider that
you might be wrong."  -- Oliver Cromwell
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Cooperative Object Computing Division,     Hewlett-Packard, Inc.
We're readers, readers, readers of the Open Range...
From: tios_ll@tac.fi
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:58:38 GMT
Organization: City of Tampere

In article <1992Apr5.004739.3747@eskimo.celestial.com>, jones@eskimo.celestial.com (Laurie Grey) writes:
>With only 2, they either play together or play independently.  With all
>3, one gets left out or gets picked on or ignored.  
  ........
>Anybody with 4 out there?  What's it like?

When I had only one, without her the house always seemed so quiet.
When I had two, with only 1 the house always seemed so quiet.
When I had three, with only 2 the house always seemed so quiet.
Now I have four, and with only 3, the house always seems so quiet.

My mother had five, and she says that with only 4, the house always 
seemed so quiet...  

Maybe you stop noticing the difference after 10 or so, but who knows?

Liisa 						(Tampere, Finland)
From: chrisw@chopin..FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What do I need for my 1st baby??
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: chrisw@chopin..FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO

The thing I have found incredibly useful that I'll bet no one will
tell you about is a cordless phone.  The first few months when baby is
(seemingly) always nursing, it is great to have the phone
at your fingertips...rather than disturbing yourself and baby to
answer it.  Later, when baby is crawling, it is nice (and I'm guessing
safer) to be able to follow baby around while talking on the phone...
and it keeps baby from gnawing on the cord, or jerking the receiver
out of your hand.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Whitley            email: Chris.Whitley@FtCollins.NCR.COM
NCR Microelectronics     Phone: (303) 223-5100 ext. 432
2001 Danfield Court        Fax: (303) 226-9556
Ft. Collins, CO  80525
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tuboplasty
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:15:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: elan.1166
Reply-To: lynn@elan.elan.com (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

I agree with Marjorie.  I would also like to point out that
being a parent isn't a piece of volunteer work that you do
to feel good about yourself.  You become a parent because
you want the child.  If you talked with adoptive parents,
whether of healthy babies or of hard-to-place children, I
am sure they would not advise people who don't want to adopt
to adopt because they "should."  All the advice I have heard
goes the other way - that people should resolve their feelings
about infertility first.  Eric, if you really care about
these children in need of adoption, think about how you can
best support the parents who *are* willing to adopt them.
And take a look at whether the laws in your state place any
unnecessary obstacles in their way.  But don't attack people
just for trying to have a child.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Auto Accident -- Child Dies
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:11:13 GMT

This thread reminded me of an incident a couple of months ago at STOR.  Ron
was loading the car and Mitchell was playing with another 3-4 YO.  Erin was
toddling around at high speed as she is want to do, so I was following her.
Anyway, I was about 30' away keeping an eye on Erin who had found some rocks
to play with and the other eye on Mitchell playing with this other boy.  
Well, after about 10 minutes, I notice the other boys parents looking around
like they are ready to leave, so I pick Erin up and walk back. 

The mother looks at me like I am evil mother incarnate and says in this very
self righteous voice, "I thought his parents had just left him here."  I
responded, "No, I was watching him."  To which she responded, "Well!  I NEVER
let my child more then 5' away from me.  I guess YOU just have a longer leash."
I smiled politely and said, "Yes, a second child will do that."

Needless to say I was feeling a bit defensive.  And then the parents get into
their fully loaded down car and drive off with the 3-4 YO sitting in his 
mother's lap in the passenger seat and no seat belt on either of them!  It's
funny what things some people get irate over. 

-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Subject: Re: Ladle Rat Rotten Hut
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:27:23 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

By the way, when we found the _Anguish_Languish_ book at the Colo.
University library, we asked a librarian if we could buy it, since the
last marked check-out was some 10 years previous.  The answer was "no".
(That was fine, we just thought that if they were possibly going to sell
it to anyone, we'd rather it be us!)

We xeroxed the whole thing for about 3 bucks.  Definitely worth the
"investment".

Beth Jones
From: statar@cbnewse.cb.att.com (sherry.l.tatar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how many diapers do you use in a day for a newborn
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:05:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <49398@athertn.Atherton.COM>, by caroline@athertn.Atherton.COM (Caroline Shuttle):
> Hi, it's me again.  Just so I can budget (I know all children are different)
> but a ball park figure would help...
> 
> How many diapers does a newborn go through in a day.  And how much
> formula, lets say, cans (liquid) or powered containers.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Caroline 
> 

We've always gone through approximately one pkg of Huggies per week.
In the beginning that was 60 diapers (small size), now it's 30
(large size).

I recall buying a 6 pack of cans of powdered Isomil about once every
3 weeks, from the age of 2 months until 8 months.

Hope this helps.

Sherry
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Coxsackie Virus (Hand, Foot and Mouth)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:22:13 GMT

About three weeks ago Jeffrey had Coxsackie Virus. He was sick pretty sick
for a day or two and then all was well. He had a rash that lasted for about 
a week.  A couple of days ago I noticed that the skin on his feet were 
peeling, no redness or anything, but alot of loose skin. I thought it might be 
from sweaty feet (but that doesnt make sense - he is wearing the same shoes he 
wore last summer and they didnt bother him then). Last night I noticed his 
hands are also starting to peel. That vindictes his shoes. My mother suggested 
that it may have a connection with the Coxsackie, but isnt sure. I didnt read 
anyting about that in nay of the books I read. Has anyone else seen that after 
Coxsackie?

Please dont tell me to check with my doctor, it isnt serious enough to deal
with that. I am keeping an eye on it, and if it gets worse, or starts to get
red I will. Meanwhile, I am just checking with other peoples experiences.

Thanks!

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mimi@apollo.hp.com (Mimi Wellington)
Subject: Something to Make You Laugh...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:42:26 GMT

Hi all,

As you can probably guess, I spend a bit of time reading kids' books.
Recently I read two books of poetry that I enjoyed, and I wanted to
share a poem from each with you.  Here's the first; I hope it makes
you chuckle as much as it did me!
                                                --Mimi Wellington

MY NEIGHBOR'S DOG IS PURPLE

My neighbor's dog is purple,
its eyes are large and green,
its tail is almost endless,
the longest I have seen.

My neighbor's dog is quiet,
it does not bark one bit,
but when my neighbor's dog is near,
I feel afraid of it.

My neighbor's dog looks nasty,
it has a wicked smile....
before my neighbor painted it,
it was a crocodile.

Reprinted without permission from _Something BIG Has Been Here_,
poems by Jack Prelutsky.  Prelutsky has written thirty books of verse
and edited several anthologies.  [There were many poems in the book
as funny or funnier than this one.  Check it out!]