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From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:06:18 GMT

In article <Bt6x0K.Cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.041123.23620@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>
>>In article <l908k1INNcvu@aludra.usc.edu> rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>
>
>>	Whatever the hell it is , why should a person with low marks
>>should get admission when the other person is far better than him.
>>Any fool will be able to understand this logic. There is total injustice
>>going on this world. 
>
>
>             Do you think that getting high marks ( as bramins and other 
>fc people usually do ) in the subjects/studies means you are 100% fit for
>getting admitted to professional colleges? 

So, reservation is the right way of selecting " 100% fit people"...

>If it is then that is why our
>(your) people are not able to shine well in western countries. Pure theoretical

 Well, could you elaborate this with proof...
(Are you aware of Dr.Chandrashekar who was awarded Nobel Prize for physics..)

>knowledge doesn't help for long term. One should also have some practical 
>knowledge. In my opinion one should not be given admission to any colleges
>based purely upon ones marks/grades.  
>
Well said! But what has this to do with reservation system.

>Guindian,
>C.RATHINAVELU

Another Guindian, 
N.Arunkumar.

>
>"Vadhiyarai Kakai Pidithu Soppu Pottal Yaru Vendumanalum Madhippen Perralam".

"Innoru vazhiyum irukku, adu padithu vangurathu, may be adhu thangalukku
theriyamal irukkalam.."

>
>
From: sankar@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Mahalingam Sankararaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Reservation
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:32:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Certainly the term "Reservation in professional colleges" 
is contradictary. Unfortunately in TN, politicians of the
past seem to have believed that education starts at the
college level and totally ignored the primary, secondary
and high school education. Amounts of money spent at the
college level is just enormous compared to that spent
for the lower level education. The schools in the
villages, where the most under privileged live, are just
pathetic. And a vast majority of the villages still does not 
even have a thing to call it a school. If the
under privileged can not complete a high school education,
then what is the point in having a reserved seat for them in the
colleges?

Reservation in some form or the other might not help the most needy,
and certainly not the society, in the long run. It is well
known that the majority of these under privileged live as
laborers in the agricultural sectors of our villages. The
only way for any upliftment to work is to educate them
formally from ground zero and make them competitive with the rest. 
Spend all the energy, resources and whatever else it 
takes to achieve this. It is not easy to undo all the
effects of years of discrimination and it will take time.
Once it is done, may be no reservations in colleges are needed.
Mean while, have reservations based on the financial need
of the student and not on his caste.

Sankar
From: IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T.C.A.Venkatesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Reservations: Caste, Gender and Money
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:29:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <2A92EAAE.20972@orion.oac.uci.edu>, sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M.
Sundaramoorthy) says:

>A netter asked that unreserved seats should be reserved for the forward
>castes.
>What Periyar proposed in 'Kanchipuram Congress Conference' was a similar one:
>He called it 'vaguppuvaari pirathinithiththuvam'. That means each caste will
>be given representation according to the proportion of their strength. In such
>a situation, brahmins who are 3% in population will get 3% reservation. Will
>brahmins be happy with en exclusive 3% reservation for them?.
>

      This is not a proper solution at all; no matter what the
arguments are,for or opposing reservations.

>
>My stand on reservaions:
>
>        I support caste reservation as long as there is reservation for women
>        and vice versa.
>

       Is this coorect? Are there reservations for women, and if so, how
       wide spread is it? (I mean all over India).

>        I support caste reservation as long as education is commercialised.
>

       The existence of one wrong does not justify the propagation of
       another. Obviously, we need to work at removing capitation fees
       etc. from education.

>        I support caste reservation as long as there corruption, nepotism
>        and favourtism exist in our political and bueracratic system.
>

         Same arguments as for point two.

>To make the system fair and effective:
>
>        (1). Reservation should be made possible only for one or two
>        generations in an household, such that others from those castes can
>        benefit.
>        (2). There should be statistical survey periodically to decide how
>much
>        'backward' people became 'forward' and a corresponding  proportion of
>        should be dereserved.
>
>        (3). There should be a concerted campaign to let the people concerned
>        know about the system, like the one for family planning. Simply making
>        rules do not help and it is merely an eyewash.
>

         I agree with all these points.

Cheers,
Venky.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: sdeepak@hubcap.clemson.edu (shankar deepak)
Subject: Re: Please be Accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:11:18 GMT


	There is just one point to this. The sc/st donot have any lower limit. There is one more type of reservation,Most Backward Class, which also does not have any lower limit.


Deepak
From: meena@top.cis.syr.edu (Meenakshi Arunachalam)
Subject: Re: I HATE TAMILS
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:20:20 EDT

In article <1992Aug12.233840.3014@news.columbia.edu> ss51@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Sundaram Sridharan) writes:
>In article <l8j7hjINN6uo@skat.usc.edu> sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
>>
>>"I hate Tamils. I *really* *HATE* Tamils"
>>
>>
>>This string is present in the sub-conscious memory locations of most non-Tamilians
>>I've known. Civility prevents these people from expressing the above feeling
>>overtly, but the point is that this feeling _is_ there. Tamils, aka "Madrasis"
>>are, IMHO, the most hated sect/group/community in India. 
>>
>>In the North, we are the objects of ridicule. Comedians in movies imitating us
>>evoke loud guffaws. In Bombay, the hate-tamil-syndrome gave birth to the
>>Shiv Sena (correct me if I'm wrong). In Karnataka, we've fallen in grace. 
>>I remember the days when Kannadigas had a lot of respect for Tamils and things 
>>Tamil. But now, there is open hate. 
>>
>You talk about non-tamils hating tamils; but how about the apathy that exists
>among the tamils themselves towards each other. Of all the ethnic groups, it
>is this group where a Tamil stranger would talk to another in English for
>hours even after knowing that the other person is a Tamil; or he/she would
>simply turn his/her face and walk away the first time.

I always wondered why we Tamils are not as united as we would like to
be. Is it because of the strong caste feelings that they carry around?

Tamilnadu has been one of the most progressive states in women's issues.
There are more than 50% seats that are taken by women in many medical
colleges in TN. Similarly, talking to my counterparts from other states,
I find there are more women in Engineering also. We have had women 
chief ministers. But, when it comes to caste, why are we so stuck up?
Why are Tamils so old-fashioned, conservative and fanatically stuck?
I strongly feel TN is one of the most casteist states in the whole of
India. I don't think one can point to any one group of people/community
and say the problem lies there. By doing that we again prove the same
point, i.e. Tamils are very casteist. 

I hope we catch up in this one major area where we are terribly behind
the rest of the country. Or am I just imagining that the casteism I find
in TN is a lot more than what you see in other states? 

-meena
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: hazel@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (sriram)
Subject: Re: Tamil Writer Passed Away
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:03:17 GMT

In article <2A952F27.24089@orion.oac.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>
>A Tamil writer of yesteryears, Karichan Kunju, passed away sometime around   
>Feruary, 1992 ( I don't know the exact date).
>
>His original name was Narayanaswamy and he adopted the name Karichan Kunju
>to show his respect and love for his mentor, Ku.Pa.Rajagopalan, who had a
>pseudonyme, Karichan. (Karichan is a kind of bird and Karichan Kunju means
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>offspring of Karichan).
>
> <interesting stuff about narayanswamy/kirichaan kunju left out>
>
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu   
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu   
> 

It must be a bird named kirichchAn colloquially known as keechchAn.
This is actually a karung-kuruvi (Black Bird). An insect eating bird
it can be found near fields. Farmers consider them to be a useful
bird because they eat insects.

Also someone asked what a vAnampAdi is. vAnampAdi is a skylark unique
to the subcontinent. It is ususally associated with freedom in tamil
poetry and literature. Myth has it, that it sings as it flies.

Well, I miss Siddhartha Buch's columns on the Sunday edition of Hindu 
about birds of India...

sriram
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1254 alt.culture.tamil:1216
From: mani@aix.Berkeley.EDU (Mani Varadarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Sati (was: Re: Some comments on articles on Kanchi Aacharya)
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:00:30
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu's message of Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:55:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.155510.24518@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
    The first comment is very male-chauvinistic. In Brahminism,
    if one's wife dies, he is not burned with his wife. But,
    if one's husband dies, she is burned ( or forced to be
    burned ) alongwith her husband.

I don't want to continue this pointless thread much longer, but
why do you call this practice ``Brahminism''? Do you know any
brahmins who *practiced* it or who *practice* it now? Did you
know that many non-brahmin communities have done this over the
years? I for one have *never* heard of any south Indian,
brahmin or non-brahmin practice this abhorrent tradition.  I
don't think it's a uniquely ``brahmin'' idea, and the
literature indicates that it is a cross-cultural phenomenon,
not unique to any community.

So please, attack the tradition, but don't smear an entire
community at the same time! Our society has been male
chauvinistic in its entireity, not just in its brahmin section.

As for animal sacrifice, I think we should try to stop the
slaughter of buffaloes and other animals at non-Agamic and
non-bhakti temples before we again go attacking brahmins on
this point.  I rarely defend brahmins, because I know that some
of my ancestors practiced some pretty horrific discrimination,
but I will always rush to prevent the spread of untruth.

Yours,
Mani
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tongue twisters (naamadakkigaL?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Aug19.150452.10411
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <514@vercors.frec.bull.fr> K.Prabhakar@frec.bull.fr writes:
>Does any one have a collection of Thamizh tongue twisters? 
>For starters,
>1. yaar thecha sattai? thaaththa thecha sattai.
>
>2. Thiruvaaroor thEradiyil kallidaRa karadidaRa karadu muradidaRa
>   thEngai nuniyidaRa idaRi vizhaathE kurudaa.
>
>Any more? 

Sure:

1. kadalOrathil ural uruLuthu peraLuthu(repeat)
2. Ezhaik kizhavan ezhu vaazhaippazhathai ezhu nazhigayil thinraan.

>
>Has anyone tried these after having a large chunk of ice-cream?
>BTW, How does one call them in thamizh? If it does not exist,
>how about naamadakkigaL.
>
>Prabhu
>yAmaRintha mozhigaLilE thamizh mozhi pOl inithAvathu engum kANOm

M.P.Premkumar
From: pc_madhu@ruby.enet.dec.com (MADHU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Six abodes of Lord Murgan
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:31:50 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


The six abodes are Thiruchendur, Thirutani, Swamimalai, Palani,
Thiruparankundram and Pazhamudhircholai (not Marudhamalai as someone specified)
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A threat from ...
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:40:12 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



In response to some of the arguments on this thread:

We know what freedom fighting is. Our Indian freedom fighters
did not go about killing Indians over political differences on how to
fight for freedom.  I challenge you to show from any history book
a parallel in the Indian freedom struggle to the actions of the LTTE.

I do not deny that the Tamils of Sri Lanka are in deep trouble and 
that a just solution must be found to their problems. I do believe that
the LTTE cannot and will not provide such a solution; that the LTTE
is a bunch of terrorists, very much in the mold of several factions of
the PLO, who do not hesitate to terrorize or murder anyone,  whether
the "oppressor" or "the ally" or "the people they are fighting for" who
happens to disagree with them.

If you look, you will find the same to be the case with most of the
Kashmiri "freedom-fighters", and the "Khalistani freedom-fighters"
as well.

If there is to be a peaceful solution to the Sri Lankan Tamils' problems,
they must abandon the LTTE and find credible and moderate spokespeople
like Hanna Ashrawi (spelling?) who has advanced the Palestinian cause
more in a few months than all the years of the militant Yasser Arafat.
(Arafat even lost support from previously friendly Arab states, a fitting
parallel to the LTTEs actions, don't you think ?)

**************************************

Coming back to satellites, and rockets -- yes, they are good for defense
purposes as well, and that is a legitimate use that India has.  China still
lays claim to Arunachal Pradesh, and holds a large chunk of Ladakh.
Pakistan would be only too happy to snatch Kashmir.

***************************************

I will end here, and respond no more, further discussion is probably best
on s.c.indian.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Subject: Re: Reservation for temple priests
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:50:22 GMT



>Mr. Sundar writes
>>        You might know the Supreme court ruling in Tamil Nadu Brahmins
> >       Association vs Tamil Nadu Govt during  DMK regim on 'who is
>>        eligible to become a temple priest'. The ruling was that non-
>>        brahmins are not eligible even if they are qualified. Reservation
>>        hater RT, please note the 100% resevation at least for this
>>        profession. May be this is following the bright idea of Rajaji:
>>        The 'kulak kalvi thittam'. 
> 
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu

I don't care about who is the priest in the temple ( I go to mariyamman temple
also where only non-brahmin priests are there). If a deal is given by the govt
to swap the 100% reservation in priests to 100% reservation in professional
colleges, I will take the later. Any questions?

Regards
RT
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1146 soc.culture.indian:28595
From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Transliteration in SCT...  ADAMI : A futuristic impression
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:32:47 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
ReplyTo: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
NntpPostingHost: mecad.uta.edu
X-Bytes: 1535

In article <1992Aug14.234246.10182@socrates.umd.edu> ravi@socrates.umd.edu  
(Ravi Sinnarajah) writes:
> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Aug14.204754.11803@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
> >>In article <9208142003.AA28294@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara  
Pandian) writes:
> >>>       Uniform transliteration in the net : Some suggestions
> >>>     
> >>>        Many prolific writers in the net like
> >>>   K.Srinivasan ( srini@ireqnum.hydro.qc.ca )
> >>>   Sundara Pandian ( sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu )
> >>>   Meenan Vishnu ( mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu )
> >>>    ...............
> >>>  are currently using the ADAMI transliteration scheme
> >>......

My only complaint against ADAMI is the use of it on PC's. With the advent
of WYSIWYG monitors I think that it is essential to have something that
would let you see what you type. I have the Palladam fonts which I use
extensively. It is currently available on the NeXT machine, MAC and the PC.
Framemaker is a Desk Top Publisher that supports excellent font types. It is
easy to have different fonts on the NeXT. With the new Windows environment on  
the PC, it should be easy I suppose, to implement ADAMI for WYSIWYG. 

In fact for those who have a NeXT account, it so easy to communicate in 
thamizh.

Muthu



S. N. Muthukrishnan                    muthu@mecad.uta.edu (NeXT mail)
Dept. of Mech. Engg., UT, Arlington    muthu@fem.uta.edu   (NeXT mail)
Arlington, TX  76019
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: temple priesthood
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:51:32 GMT

>
>Every religion has a god, a philosophy and a set of rituals.
>In Hinduism, there are various gods, various philosophies, and various rituals.
>In essence Hinduism is a collection of all religions native to India,
>the commonality being the tolerance of all concerned communities.
>Thus, Hindus aren't a single community. Even amongst Brahmins
>there are many different philosophies and rituals and accordingly, each
>individual group is a community. So, the priesthood goes to that community,
>although others are allowed to worship.
>
	I fully agree with you that different communities have different
	Gods. These kind of 'clan' Gods and Godesses don't come in the
	main stream Hiduism. The issue here is the Temples in main stream
	Hinduism which are suppoesed to be common for all Hindus. Your
	arguement may be alright for religious institutions like Kanchi
	Mutt, but not the temples. 
>
>I'm not saying that all these communities should not be merged together.
>Such  a merger should come only after acceptance by all groups. Again,
>if some individual group wants to maintain its identity and remain distinct,
>they should be allowed to as far as they do not hurt others.
>Discussions, deliberations and merger after the approval of all
>communities concerned, is the way of democracy, which is yet to
>happen in Hinduism. In other words merger should not be forced by some mere
>legislation.
>
	Let me tell case of another 'inherited profession' in which the
	court ruling was exactly the opposite.

	MGR goverment abolished the posts of Village Munsif (maNiyakkaarar)
	and Karnam (kaNakkup piLLai). In fact these posts were more like
	honorary posts held by the upper caste people than a job fetching
	income (the honororium was just about Rs.150).

	Those people went to court, but the government decision was upheld
	by the court. Justice in this case is exactly opposite if you compare
	the one in Priest issue. (Prbabaly, the concept of justice are 
	different in Supreme and High courts).

	This is also forced by the goverment by a midnight ordinance on 
	those people. Now the revenue collection is done by the Village
	Administrative Officers recruited through Tamil Nadu Public 
	Service Commision and are full fledged government employees.

	In essense both the acts of making priesthood and revenue collection
	open to all, should be looked as abolishing the feudal practices.

>
>Raju
>raju@spock.usc.edu

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: BHARATHI SONGS IN TAMIL MOVIES (ONLY AVM PRODUCTIONS)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:07:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19733
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hi


I saw someone asking for BHARATHI songs in Tamil Cinema.
I am now reproducing a part of my article posted in ACT.
This is an audio casette which has almost all BHRATHI SONGS
in tamil movies produced by AVM.
Hope this helps.


-PK

-------------- PART OF MY EARLIER ARTICLE IN ACT ------------------

Title		: IMMORTAL SONGS OF BHARATHIYAR
		  (Actually songs from AVM PRODUCTION FILMS)

Singers		: Various Singers

Company		: AVM AUDIO

Serial Nbr	: 45 F 5001

SONGS		: 

		SONG			MOVIE		SINGER
		----			-----		------
	1. Viduthalai Viduthalai 	Nam Eruvar	T.R.Mahalingam
	2. Aduvomae			Nam Eruvar	D.K.Pattamal
	3. Sendhamizh Nadenum		Vedhala Ulagam  T.R.Mahalingam
	4. Vettri Ettuthikkum		Nam Eruvar	D.K.Pattamal
	5. Bharata Samudayam		Vazhkkai	D.K.Paatamal & Chorus
	6. Theeratha Vilayattu Pillai	Vedhala Ulagam  D.K.Pattamal
	7. Soali Malar			Nam Eruvar	T.R.Mahalingam & 
							T.S. Bhagavathy
	8. Odi Vilaiyadu Pappa		Vedhala Ulagam	T.R.Mahalingam &
							M.S.Rajeswari
	9. Thoondil Puzhuvinaipol	Vedhala Ulagam  D.K.Pattamal
	10 Madhar Thammai		Pen		T.A.Modhi
	11 Kottu Murasae		Oar Eravu	K.R.Ramasamy &
							M.S.Raheswari
	12 Vazhiya Sentamizh		Nam Eruvar	T.S.Bhagavathy


Piriyamudan Prabhu

-------------- OLD ARTICLE ENDS HERE ---------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: crathina@norton.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu)
Subject: Wonderful Coincidence
Originator: crathina@norton.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:18:56 GMT

        Thiru. Rajaji was born in 1878 and 
Thiru. EVR (Periyar) was born in 1879.
In the same way Rajaji was died on December 
1972 and EVR was died on December 1973.

Info,
C.Rathinavelu

"Life is drama for some people and drama is
life for some-other people"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: Please be Accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:14:24 GMT

In article <l9a734INNo0j@sal-sun118.usc.edu> rammohan@sal-sun118.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.144027.11684@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>
>>>The way it works is,
>>>1) First Meenan Vishnu and kathiravan krishnamurti will post articles
>>>that glorify brahmin bashing(justified by using what some idiot said
>>>50 years ago or what happened 50 years ago.)
>>
>>Ok two people post such things[I strongly object your reference to Periyar as an
>>idiot].
>
>	Mr.M.P. Premkumar, Could you please clarify as to where in the
>above article did i refer to Periyar as an idiot.
>>
>rammohan
>

I am sorry if I misiterpreted your statement. Who did you mean when you said
"justified by using some idiot said 50 years ago" ?

Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar