HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: Re: re W Magro's posting
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:13:06 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <Fci0wB5w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
>cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:
> Well it goes both ways. To change cards on the PC you muST remove the 
> case, there goes the warranty and insert the card. Now comes all the 
> hassel like, will it work with OS2, is there a driver for it, will it
> work with my other cards etc etc . 

You are totally uninformed.  Let's get one thing straight:  you cannot
just make random stuff up to win the argument.  That's called "fabricating
data," and it's cheating.  So cut it out.

Those of us who OWN 80x86 machines know that you don't "void the
warranty" when you open the case.  That is an ATARI concept.  I got my
machine from Gateway 2000, and not only do I not "void the warranty" by
putting in a card, but they'll actually COME TO MY HOUSE to INSTALL MY
CARDS FOR ME if I'm too much of a loser to do it myself.  This on-site
service came with my 486 machine for free.  It's called ... end user
support.  Imagine (snicker) Atari doing that.

As for hassles, sometimes it's a pain getting the IRQ and interrupt
numbers right, but it never takes as long as it would to SOLDER
SOMETHING INTO YOUR ST OR FALCON, and it certainly doesn't require any
engineering experience.  It's truly amazing that you'll even TRY to
claim that these two activities are similar in difficulty.

Another word about user support: The Maxtor hard drive in my PC
went bad a few months after I first got my system.  (BTW, it was
a SCSI drive you could attach to your ST, so don't bother trying
to blame the failure on the Evil MS-DOS world, OK?)  Anyway,
I called Gateway and they (get this) *sent me a new one that day.*
I just had to take the old one out and swap in the new one, then
send the old one back.  Free.   Under warranty.  AND I HAD OPENED
THE CASE BEFORE!

See, that's the kind of user support that people in the Real World
expect these days.  On-site service, a tech support line where people
actually answer, good trade-up and return policies.  Atari has never
done any of that; they seem to be incapable of it.  That's one reason I
think Atari should make game consoles instead of home computers.

> Just like the ST, except very few ST's applications are inside the case.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ooo boy.  I can feel the universe warping around you.

Dave Baggett
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris)
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:03:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.092222.10041@cs.hw.ac.uk>, neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.203916.22548@newshost.lanl.gov>
> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
> > ... the GCR does not support 1.44Mb... yet ...
> 
> It doesn't need to. Mac HD disks are MFM so all Dave Small has to do is just
> read the data of the disk as normal even with Spectre 128.
>

But it _does_ need to - I want to read DD Mac floppies on a TT with a 1.44 Mb drive.

Mike M.
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Stalker vs Uniterm!
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:52:22 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1irg8sINNjr5@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>I had a lown of Stalker to see what I thought of it, the chap that owns it
>rated it some %100, so far its say -%100 with me, does not do vt100, and will
>not work with remote EMACS...no ^W or ^@...

Uh, I think you mean "loan," not "lown," unless they spell it differently
down-under.

And you mean that the "DEC VT100" in the terminal settings menu (the one
that I'm using right now to write this message on-line in vi) isn't really
VT100?  And STalker can't use CTRL-W?  I thought it could.
-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
From: dsb@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Scott Bigham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Setting up the RS232 in Sozobon
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:35:34 GMT
Organization: n. Arrangement in an orderly or logical fashion.  See "miracle".

From the Holy Book of <1is074INNig2@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
  as spake by rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) :

>                               [...] I have found some src (eg tip
>for MiNT by Howard Chu and some Un*x stuff) but it always seems to
>rely on some struct (like the one defined in xbios.h (?) which isn't
>included in the new sozo mint include stuff).

Right.  That code was originally written for Mark Williams C, which does
things slightly differently (different header files, different struct
layouts, stuff like that).  It does require some modification for HSC.
I'll mail you some diffs.

>I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but I'm new to programming
>and I don't really have much documention.

Like diving in head first, eh? ;)

>Also, is there new docs for the mint dlibs or is it a case of 'use the 
>source'?

"Use the Source, Luke."  Actually, though, large portions of the
MiNTlibs are similar to the Unix libraries, so if you have access to a
Unix system, you can check the man pages there.

Good luck!

						-sbigham
-- 
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dsb@romeo.cs.duke.edu          | (c) 1993 Hacker Ltd. and cannot be
bigham@hercules.acpub.duke.edu | copied or distributed without a
    (but not for long)         | Darn Good Reason(tm).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:32:52 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Well I cannot dissuade you from buying a '486 but I can tell you why
I'm never buying a mac...

#1 The software costs WAY too much.  Microsoft Word's price is a joke.  It's
   like you're SUPPOSED to buy it and split the cost between a few friends...
   I'd like to run X on whatever computer I buy next.  MacX server software
   is $300.  Get a clue...  I believe it is FREE on the PC...

#2 Macs cost too much.  Apple charges what people will pay for them.  The
   uninformed don't realize they're getting ripped relative to the cost of
   the components.  I'm not totally uninformed...  Of course, as magical
   wonder tools, computers in general are as amazing a bargain as long-distance
   phone calls...

#3 If I'm going to pay a lot for the computer, I want some co-processors.
   Sheesh, you can get a used SGI Indigo for ^$6000...

#4 I hate the mac file system.  I don't LIKE dos, but at least you can access
   any file without fussing around with resource parameters...  Ditto for
   any form of unix...  Are there really any alternative operating systems
   for the mac other than I believe $1000 Apple Unix (AUX)?

Like you, I want to buy a Falcon or an Amiga, But I'm waiting.  I am afraid
brute force on the PCs will ultimately overtake the design elegance of these
machines.  I'll still keep my 1040 though...  I just need to get X running
on it and I'll be happy for some time yet.  The NCDs in my lab only have
8 Mhz 68000s and they are perfectly adequate X terminals...

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jonord@solace.hsh.se (Joakim Nordlander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NEW ATARI SUPPORT Part 2
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:28:03 GMT
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden

In <1993Jan7.110251.15497@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> richard@op.ph.ic.ac.uk (Richard Syratt ) writes:


>Well, that started off on the wrong foot.  Maybe these guys should have
>looked at an atlas before they started.  I'm talking about the registration
>form, USA isn't the only country on this planet...

 Well, the americans belive so... They don't know nothing about the 
geography in Europe... :(

 /Jocke
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A.A.U.E
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls

In article <1993Jan11.165118.18204@nosc.mil>, healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) writes:
>Well, I tried ftping to atari.archive and got denied access, so then
>I tried ftping to wuarchive and got the same message, so I guess it
>is a true "mirror" of atari.archive :-(

Almost all of the major FTP sites are limiting connections these days.  I was
suprised to find that wuarchive set limits at 60 connections at any one time
... this was a few weeks back.  The U.S. hour limitations for the atari.archive
site were imposed recently as well.

It's not uncommon.  Even the major Windows FTP site (ftp.cica.indiana.edu for
those who don't already know) limits the number of concurrent connections.

As the Internet expands, such limitations are increasing.

-- DPZ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: oxyd -- what's up?
Keywords: oxyd, huh?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:37:52 GMT

klassa@aurs01.UUCP (John M. Klassa) writes:

>Howdy ST Gamers...

>I downloaded oxyd.lzh over the weekend & can't get it to do a whole lot.
>It throws up screen 1, then this little propellor/flower-looking thing
>drops down on my little icon (a cannonball, it looks like) and smashes
>it all to hell.  When I try to move (via the mouse), my icon moves a
>little bit, then gets smashed by the propellor thing anyway.  I die
>almost instantaneously, three times in a row, then the game ends.

>What am I doing wrong?

I can't tell you what you're doing wrong, but did you let any kids look at
it? Mine's (11 year old) been playing the stupid game continuously for
days now. I gave him the disk and he just started up like he was born
playing it.

Dan

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dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Porky pig.
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:24:30 GMT
	<H.ea.0kgtRS0BsQs@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
	<1993Jan11.021216.13462@bsu-ucs>
	<OKES.93Jan11165337@SunLab42.essex.ac.uk>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

> 1. Lattice C.
>    Got around the problem of it not having a proper make by merging all the
>    files into one. Finally compiled after a few options had been changed.
That's a bit excessive isn't it? Wouldn't it have been more sensible just
to use someone else's make? In fact, GCC doesn't come with a make utility,
its just that Gnu Make is part of the same project. You can use Gnu Make with
Lattice quite happily, though personally I prefer Dmake. As far as compiler
options go, I get most Gnu and Unix stuff to compile by using 32 bit ints
and the non base relative option (the latter not always needed). Since 32 bit
ints is the default, that's only one option. A CC compatible driver for 
Lattice would be really nice though - I keep on meaning to write something,
but I've already got far too many partially completed projects lying around 8-(

>    Code ran and exited immediately, saying that the stack was full.
Look under stack in the manual. The default stack size is 400k, but altering
it is extremely easy.

Kev
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: MTOS
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:12:27 GMT

In article 1ih8oiINNkmn@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE, wojuacac@w273zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes:
>Hi
>===
>
>A long time I am reading a lot obout M"ulti"TOS, and also there seems to
>be a bit of software which is written for MTOS. But till now I haven't seen 1  
>Bit of MTOS (only MiNT, which runs really good at my place :-) )
>How is this M'TOS' availabel (is it ???)

MultiTOS is not available as yet, Wolfgang.  It was supposed to ship with the
new Falcons but has been delayed (what else is new?).  Last I heard, Atari
had not decided on whether to make it available for owners of pre-Falcon 
machines or not.

Maybe someone else on the net can give us an update on MultiTOS?
---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: afsfpel@cid.aes.doe.CA (Yves Pelletier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: afsfpel@cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.CA (Yves Pelletier)
Organization: Environment Canada

In article <1993Jan11.093126.1712@news.unige.ch>, mike@medsun.unige.ch
(michel morris) writes:
|> In article <C0LFwz.6Dx@news.rich.bnr.ca>, bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian
Grier) writes:
|> > > I use floppy disks with Spectre 3.0 on my TT, all the time. But 
|> > > before I can do that, I have to perform a little voodoo, as follows:
|> > 
|> > > 1. Turn off CPU cache.
|> > > 2. From the Atari desktop, format a *double density* floppy.
|> > > 3. Launch Spectre.
|> > 
|> > > After that, I can read, write and format GCR disks without problems.
|> > > This works _every time_ on my TT, and at least one other that I know of.
|> > 
|> > According to Dave Small, on GEnie, you should not need to format
|> > a double density floppy, but you do need to access one. According 
|> > to Dave this causes TOS to set the floppy controller to the required
|> > density. Just thought I'd pass this along. However I can not confirm 
|> > this as I own Spectre 128 not GCR.
|> > 
|> I tried the "voodoo", to no avail.
|> Exactly WHEN does the TT need to access a DD floppy? Once you have
gone into Spectre?
|> 
|> Mike M.
|> 
|> 
|> 

Sorry to hear the "voodoo" failed to work on your machine. The DD floppy 
has to be accessed in Atari mode, just prior to launching Spectre.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Yves Pelletier                               afsfpel@cid.aes.doe.ca
Centre Meteorologique Canadien      "I am resplendent in divergence" 
Dorval, Quebec, Canada                                           D.B.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Has someone compiled this ?? - GNU Oleo spreadsheet ?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:30:14 GMT

It looks like it may be a fairly nasty compile, if it is possible.
Some fairly arcane knowledge of UNIX and C is certainly necessary,
since it's a little hard to run the CONFIGURE file under TOS or even
MiNT.

I'm looking at it.  No long term promises.

It may be possible to get "sc" running (a non-GNU project spreadsheet).
I'll check.

It's not TOO important to me, as I have LDW Power.  However, more tools
is always better...
-- 
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Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
From: ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: *I* an NOT making THIS up either...
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:44:11 GMT
	<1992Dec21.194623.23026@news2.cis.umn.edu>
	<1h6aabINNo0a@life.ai.mit.edu> <27DEC92.05003748@meena.cc.uregina.ca>
	<72481@cup.portal.com> <92363.031625SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: LAAS-CNRS France
In-reply-to: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 28 Dec 92 08:16:25 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Dec 92 08:16:25 GMT, SML108@psuvm.psu.edu said:

Scott> Hey you forgot to post the bit about L______ refusing to talk to someone
Scott> because he pronounced his last name TRA-MEEL instead of the proper
Scott> TRA-MELL saying something like "I give everybody one chance to pronounce
Scott> it TRA-MELL etc."

Thanks for the info!  And I always thought that it was more phonetic: TRA-MI-ELL.

Win a few, lose a few.  Happy New Year to everyone!

--
Dr. Ralph P. Sobek		  Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
Ralph.Sobek@cerfacs.fr			   Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@cerfacs.fr					If all else fails, try:
Telephone: (+33) 61-19-30-47			      sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
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===============================================================================
Got a Mega 4 ST. Wish it was a Mega STe? :-|  Do I *really* want a Falcon/Next?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm (I89))
Subject: Editor???
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:28:11 GMT

I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
It has to save in ascii unlike 1st word does. If anybody
knows which editor is good for that and where I can get it, I 
will appreciate your help greatly.`


Richard

P.S. Or if anybody has a small programm to convert 1st word plus files
to ascii files :-)

-- 
Richard Storm, storm@fwi.uva.nl || 
University of Amsterdam.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: n890421 (KA9Q for the Atari ST....)
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 22:09:03 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <72777@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan3.002308.6103@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
  <1993Jan5.145943.13830@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Howard Chu asked about the problems I've encountered using his
version of the KA9Q software.
 
The only real problem I've run into is that if I forget and try
to run it with a RAMdisk in memory, it will immediately return
back to the desktop.. no bombs.
 
I'm using the Micro-Time "RAMBUFFER" combination print buffer
and RAMdisk, usually with a 900K RAMdisk installed in my 2.5 Meg
ST, so it shouldn't be an out of memory problem.
 
As long as I reboot before running KA9Q, it runs great.. (I do
wish there was some way to make it hang up the modem before
exiting though...  :)
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:39:16 GMT

In article 1icdfqINNt3j@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, jan@aifbbeta.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Juergen Angele) writes:
>I am owner of an Atari Mega ST and Spectre Version 3.0. I intend to buy a TT with
>a large black and white screen. I have the following questions:
>
>1. Does Spectre support the large screen in its full resolution?

Not currently.  Remember the Spectre GCR emulates a Mac Plus.  Rumor is that
Dave Small will incorporate support for TT's with large screens in the next
release, which is long overdue, BTW.  Even so, with the TT you'll have one
speedy Mac Plus!

>2. Is the internal SCSI disk accesssible by the Mac?

Yes.  You just have to set up separate partitions for Atari and Mac use.

>3. Does anybody have a similar configuration who can report me about his or
> her experience and problems?

I'll leave this to others who may have a TT and GCR.  But one problem you
may first encounter is the inability of the TT's internal drive to read/write
in Mac 800K format (the GCR does not support 1.44Mb... yet).  The easiest fix
is to pick up an external DSDD SF314 for your floppy drive B and use it with
your Mac floppies.  That's what I did when the GCR wouldn't work with my
MSTE's internal floppy.

---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: sjgavula@css.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Flash Help
Date: 10 Jan 1993 12:43:25 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu


How do I modify the Dialing Directory on Flash?
I want to delete some #s and add others.

thanks for any help...please email as I don't usually
have time to read this group.

Susan
From: eggert@sun.lclark.edu (Jonathan Eggert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST stuff for sale
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:40:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan11.224026.5287
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

From: eggert@sun.lclark.edu (Jonathan Eggert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST stuff for sale
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Keywords: 

I still have the following items for sale:  $350 Takes all, or split up as 
follows...

Atari 1040 STf - .	.	.	.	.	$190
	1 meg RAM
	with Atari mouse
Atari SC1224 -  .	.	.	.	.	$75
	Screen bows at top and bottom.  This is
	apparently due to a burned out capacitor.
	Should be an easy fix.
VideoKey - .	.	.	.	.	.	$50
	Use a TV or VCR with your ST.
	Works great!
Monitor Master - .	.	.	.	.	$29
	Switch monitors without unplugging
	and plugging.

Software - 
	Laser C compiler.	.	.	.	$30| or both for
	Laser C Debugger package.	.	.	$20|    $40
	GST C Compiler	.	.	.	.	$10
	Personal Pascal	.	.	.	.	$10
	Quantum Paint	.	.	.	.	$8
	BBS Express! ST	.	.	.	.	$20
	Universal Military Simulator	.	.	$12
	Falcon	Flight Simulator.	.	.	$18
	Bloodwych	.	.	.	.	$18
	Chrono Quest	.	.	.	.	$18
	Carrier Command	.	.	.	.	$18
	Gone Fishin'	.	.	.	.	$8


Again, all of this could be had for $350.  I will pay shipping on any of this
assuming it is pre-paid.  I will ship c.o.d. if desired, but I ask that the
buyer pays for that ahead of time (I got royally screwed on a previous
deal that ALL of this was supposed to go with).

Jonathan Eggert
(503) 768-8666
eggert@lclark.edu
L.C. Box 1151
Lewis & Clark College
Portland, OR 97219
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tracker Music within GFA/STOS, how?
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:23:51 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> I bought TCB Tracker and that came with various routines including STOS
> and I think, GFA.

I got the GFA routines, and not the STOS routines!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: spoil@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Laurenz Pruessner)
Subject: Re: the "real" Gemulator 2.0 featu
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:05:09 GMT

>> Well, Julian, in my personal biased one-sided opinion, YOU are the only one
>> of ST-Magazin's authors who is NOT a complete idiot.  (Well, maybe Laurenz
>> Pruessner on one of his better days :-)

Mhgrhmpfh.
From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 800 birds ready to take of from Taiwan....
Date: 11 Jan 1993 04:50:52 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptb.cl.msu.edu

jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:

>Subject say's it all.
>(Information from reliable source, although not directly from anyone
>inside Atari Corp., cause if it it was, I couldn't tell you:^)

Face it...  If the news came from Atari, NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE IT ANYWAY.
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