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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:24:15 GMT

In article <105253@bu.edu> takwong@alexander.bbn.com writes:
>Subject: No More Speed-Glue!!??
>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:41:32 EST
>From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com
>
>
>	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
>	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.   This is to be
>	effective immediately (December 17, 1992).  The question is,
>	how do you enforce it?  Does anybody know?  Does that mean
>	the hitters are coming back?  Is there future for Qiumars and
>	Chi-Sun?  What is Paddle Palace going to do with the tons of
>	tire glue that got from the automobile industry -- repackage it
>	again and claim that it is regular rubber cement (who can tell
>	the difference anyway?)
>
>
>					Tak
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You have got to be kidding ..... right ?  Mosche - please shed some light!

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From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White)
Subject: Re: Ball Ratings (Repost) (Survey)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:08:13 EST

>>Best balls in the world are NITTAKU Balls (3*** stars) of course...
>>I specially like orange ones...
>
>>My opinion.
>
>>Lyne

All these posts and no one said Halex 3 star.  Hmmmm........
I have never seen a NITTAKU ball on sale - Where ?
Brian
From: butta1@csa.bu.edu (Nelson Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: tournaments in New England
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:08:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Table Tennis Assn, USTTA Affiliate 43-90
Originator: butta1@csa

93.01.02-03 Sat-Sun 15th Annual Holiday Open
            play site: Baystate TTC, Bethesda Lutheran Church Gym
                       455 Island Pond Rd, Springfield MA 01118
              contact: Ralph Naylor 413/567-6210
                       PO Box 753, Southwick MA 01077
                       
93.01.16-17 Sat-Sun Hartford January Open
            play site: Hartford TTC, 3580 Main St, Hartford CT       
              contact: Wes Daley 203/243-2602
                       68 Simpson St, Harford CT 06112                    
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From: Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Serving Rules
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:01:26 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>In article <ByLHFv.IyE@cs.uiuc.edu> joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:
>>beckerjw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Becker) writes:
>>>Is it true that no part of a players body is allowed to touch the table
>>>at any time during play?
>>
>>I don't hink there is any rule regarding this. Some times when the ball
>>bounces very close to the net, one may have to bend over to get it in the 
>>process inevitably making contact with the table.

>I seem to recall reading a rule saying that your free hand can't touch 
>the table (in other words, no using the table as a vaulting horse..)


This is true, only the racket, or racket hand below the wrist may touch the
table, any movement of the table is illegal.

	Rich 'Z'


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 Email: Richard.Dalton@Newcastle.ac.uk  |   University of Newcastle Upon Tyne
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From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White)
Subject: Re: Serve of Receive?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 15:32:36 EST

>To serve or recieve?
>
>I have one perplexing question here. IF you win the toss at the beginning of 
>the match, and you get the choice of serving or receiving - which one
>do you take?
>
>Ive heard two philosophies -
> 1) Receive - This way, if the game is close at the end, you have the last
>    set of services.
> 2) Serve - get yourself in a big lead as early as possible and try to run
>    with the lead.
>
>So, how bout some opionions out there : do you serve? or do you receive?

	I always serve first, given the chance.  I like to gain some 
confidence in the game and get into a groove by serving first and hopefully
taking a 4-1 or so advantage into my opponent's serve.
Brian
From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Speed Glue
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:29:30 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

OK, I'll post the original article this weekend (I'm in a rush in school,
right now -> final exam).

To answer some of the questions already asked, YES speed glue is now
banned. And it is not just glueing in the playing area that is banned, 
but glue like TipTop, 
Vulcofux, and every other brand of glue is now banned !

Companies who are making such type of glue have to make it without
this chlorinated and aromated thing (as these 2 things are now banned).

I knew since a long time, that they will ban glue, but they made 
complete tests, and the results were *very* bad. That's why they made
that decision that soon.

Anyway, as I said, I should post the article tomorrow (the latest).

Lyne
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: soo@sidc.com
Subject: Re: Backside of penholder bat usable?
Organization: Seiko Instrument Dev. Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:43:46 GMT

In article <tam.724188647@pythia.itkp.uni-bonn.de> tam@pythia.itkp.uni-bonn.de (
Alvian Tam) writes:
>Hi there,
>
>Great to see the TT group alive and well. I am a TT lover but I haven't played
>the game for 10 years now. Here is a question that has always bothered me.
>
>I play with a penholder grip with red plastic on only 1 side of the bat. The
>other side is bare wood, unpainted with natural colour. Lots of people told
>me that I cannot hit the ball the this bare side because:
>
>(1) You can never use the 'other side' of a penholder bat. (What if you use
>    a handshake-bat but hold it with a penholder grip, can you use the
>    'other side'?)
>
>(2) You can use the 'other side' but only if it is painted in the same colour
>    as the plastic side, in my case, red.
>
>(3) You can use the 'other side' but only if it is painted, and only if it is
>    painted in a different colour to the plastic, e.g., black in my case.
>
>(4) You can use the 'other side' if it is covered with plastic, making my bet
>    2-sided.
>
>What is the right rule? I am extremely confused. A related question is this
>'2-colour rule' that everybody keep talking about. What is it?
>
>Email prefered (news server keep dying on me) and I will summarise if there
>are enough responses and interests. If you post on news, please send me an
>extra email copy too.
>
>Thanks a lot,
>Alvian Tam.

Does anybody playing the penholding style actually uses the backside of the
bat for offense/defense?  If so, how?

-- 
Jo Han Soo
Seiko Instrument Dev. Corp.
ARPA: soo@sidc.com
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From: ianf@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Ian Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Serve of Receive?
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:12:31 GMT
Reply-To: ianf@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Ian Frank)
Organization: Dept. of Artificial Intelligence, Univ. of Edinburgh.

# >To serve or recieve?
# >
# >So, how bout some opionions out there : do you serve? or do you receive?
# 
# 	I always serve first, given the chance.  I like to gain some 
# confidence in the game and get into a groove by serving first and hopefully
# taking a 4-1 or so advantage into my opponent's serve.
# Brian

I like to follow a set routine in the build-up to and start of a match. 
Since the majority of players seem to follow the above strategy of serving
first, I make a point of preferring to receive first. This way, I'm happy
in the 50% of matches where I get to choose, and also the majority of the 
ones where I don't. Of course, my opponents are also happy more often, since
I give them the serve, but who cares about them...they're going to lose 
anyway ;-)  

Of course, I've now ruined my strategy by telling it to all you netters.
Pretty 
soon, everyone will be wanting to receive instead of serve, so I'll have 
to change to prefferring serving... Or will I? Maybe I was just bluffing?
Maybe that was a counter-bluff? Who knows? You'll just have to wait until we 
meet at the table....

Cryptically,

	- Ian.
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From: wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim)
Subject: Re: Speed of Rubber
Reply-To: wlim@gdstech.grumman.com, buttal@crsa.bu.edu
Organization: Grumman Corporation, Bethpage, New York, USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:40:01 GMT


Nelson Chin and I are compiling a list of frequently asked questions
(FAQ's) for rec.sport.table-tennis.  Here are the topics:

USTTA Rules               (Willie Lim & Bob Neidorff)
Equipment Suppliers       (Nelson Chin)
toll-free#s, L-NITT       (Nelson Chin)
HOW to become an UMPIRE   (Nelson Chin)

If you want to help out, please email to *both* of the following email
addresses (since I'll be away for the Christmas holidays; Happy
Holidays everybody!):

   wlim@gdstech.grumman.com, buttal@crsa.bu.edu

(Note: The Reply-To field of this message is set to the above pair of
addresses.)

Please include the topic/faq you want to submit to the list of faq's.
Here are some *SAMPLE* topics:

	 Gluing
	 Re-gluing (Banned?)
	 How to handle strong top spin
	 The USTTA Rating System
	 etc.


Willie
From: x92wheeler1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Serving Rules
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:32:29 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Dec8.084728.14803@engr.LaTech.edu>, malik@engr.latech.edu (Omesh Malik) writes>> 
> 
>  
> : 	How about one more silly question - the position of the hand
> : 	and ball when you serve.  I have heard people say it must be
> : 	from behind the table and within the ends of the table.  In
> : 	other words you cannot move way outsidethe table or reach
> : 	way up by the net to try and get a sharp angle.  Any truth
> : 	to this so called house-rule?
> : -- 
> ***Rest deleted***
> 
> You are right about this rule.  You have to serve from behind the table (i.e. your
> hands should also be behind the table) and you cannot serve from outside the ends
> of the table.
> 
I've seen a lot of pros play, and many of them serve from beyond the side of
the table.  The real rules are that you must serve from above the level of the
table, and behind the table.  You can go to the side as far as you want.
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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Ball Ratings (Repost) (Survey)
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:31:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.150814.26718@newstand.syr.edu> pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White) writes:
>>>Best balls in the world are NITTAKU Balls (3*** stars) of course...
>>>I specially like orange ones...
>>
>>>My opinion.
>>
>>>Lyne
>
>All these posts and no one said Halex 3 star.  Hmmmm........
>I have never seen a NITTAKU ball on sale - Where ?
>Brian

Halex? Ugh. IMO - I hate that ball.

You can find Nittaku's at most distributers of t-t equiptment.

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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:19:08 GMT

In article <105253@bu.edu> takwong@alexander.bbn.com writes:
> Subject: No More Speed-Glue!!??
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:41:32 EST
> From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com
> 
> 
> 	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
> 	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.  

They'll never make that stick.  :-)
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From: heller@luna.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Height of the net
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:25:17
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: luna.think.com
In-reply-to: paul@ace.acadiau.ca's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:21:56 GMT

In article <paul.427.724605716@ace.acadiau.ca> paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele) writes:

   Here's a real simple question:  What is the proper height of the net above
   the table.  I bought a new table that didn't come with proper net mounting
   hardware, so I'm trying to improvise until I get the right stuff.

         USTTA Rules of Table Tennis          September 18, 1991

2       The Net.

2.1     The playing surface shall be divided into two "courts" of
        equal size by a vertical net running parallel to the end
        lines.

2.2     The net shall be suspended by a cord attached at each end
        to an upright post 15.25 cm. (6 in.) high, the outside limits
        of the post being 15.25 cm. outside the side lines.

2.3     The net, with its suspension, shall be 183 cm. (6 ft.) long
        and its top, along its whole length, shall be 15.25 cm. (6 in.)
        above the playing surface; the bottom of the net, along its
        whole length, shall be as close as possible to the playing 
        surface and the ends of the net shall be as close as possible 
        to the supporting posts.
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From: wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim)
Subject: Re: Backside of penholder bat usable?
Organization: Grumman Corporation, Bethpage, New York, USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:15:02 GMT

In article <Bz7wCz.ArB@sidc.com> soo@sidc.com writes:

   Does anybody playing the penholding style actually uses the backside of the
   bat for offense/defense?  If so, how?

I haven't seen any penholder (that I have played with) doing that
until a year ago.  A penholder friend of mine basically taught himself
how to hit with the backside (with rubber!).  He felt this is faster
(and perhaps more natural) than the conventional penholder backhand
(without using the rubberless backside).  The way he played it is to
roll up him fingers on the backside before hitting the ball.

However the fingers on the backside can "ruin" the rubber.  (I have a
penholder paddle with rubber on both sides but I use only one side.)
Also the extra-rubber adds more weight to the paddle.  So it is a
trade-off: faster and more natural backhand versus heavier paddle with
grubby backside rubber.  That is why I haven't gone that way yet. :-)



Willie
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Railway privatisation: TV programme on 14-12-92
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:23:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


Last night's `Panorama' programme (BBC1, 2130h, 14-12-92) covered the
subject of railway privatisation, discussing at length the failure of
the private rail freight and passenger businesses set up over the last
twelve months or so, and revealing (for the first time on TV, so far as
I know) that when the Minister of Transport travelled Stagecoach, he
slept for most of the journey in a British Rail First Class sleeper!

They found that the boss of Sealink (Ferries Limited) has made a bid to
privatise most of what was the LSWR (London and South Western Railway)
which links London with points out as far as Brighton and Weymouth, but
that if he takes over he has no intention of continuing to operate the
south coast service nor the South Downs route (the link from Gatwick
Airport to south east England), even if he is offered a subsidy for the
purpose.  An interview with Richard ("Virgin") Branson suggests he is
not really interested in taking over the East Coast Main Line, but
rather in running a few `premium' trains.  Most surprisingly (to me)
they revealed that Nicholas Ridley, former Minister of Transport well
known for displaying little understanding of public transport and also
for opposing drink-driving laws, is opposed to the sell-off of BR. 

Ken Johnson


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From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: bridge at Shepherdstown & CSX safety caboose
Date: 11 Dec 92 09:21:27 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

I can't find the posts, but someone mentioned walking on the NS bridge (was
N&W) in Shepherdstown.  I live 6 miles from that bridge, near Shenandoah
Junction, and I can say that would be one nasty bridge to walk on.  Traffic
has also increased in recent years as Southern Railway trains formerly
routed through Potomac Yard have been rerouted away from the Northeast
Corridor through Harrisburg and Hagerstown to Riverton Junction (Front
Royal) and Manassas on the Manassas Gap Branch over Linden Hill, or straight
on down the Shenandoah Division (it's no longer called that, but I will
never give up that name!) to Roanoke.

Charlie Wingate also mentioned a CSX safety caboose in DC.  That hack calls
Brunswick home.  Sometimes it goes out on B&O's Shenandoah Sub, or on
work trains.  In fact, I saw it there again last night (as usual) as I
went by -- late -- on MARC #283.  Our headlight lit up the large orange/red
reflecting strips on the end of the caboose.

-- Bruce Tiffany
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Request for info: DRGW double Fairlie
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:21:35 GMT

FAIRLEY QUESTIONS

You apparently have Don Denevi's book on the Western
Pacific.  The best use you can put it to is to steady
the short leg of your kitchen table.  The book is 
filled with errors, mis-identified pictures (like SP
and Hetch-Hetchy trains identified as WP).  It is 
without a doubt one of the worst railroad books ever
produced.  Shameful too, because the author claims to
be a university professor and noted scholar. 

According to what I read several years ago (in NARROW
GAUGE AND SHORTLINE GAZETTE if I remember correctly)
the Mountaineer was scrapped by the D&RG and never saw
service anywhere else.  It certainly never ran on the
NCO or any other California shortline.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: HO scale
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:51:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

donl@coastal.UUCP (Don Lockhart) writes:

>Don Lockhart (donl@nlbbs), The Northern Lights, 207-761-4782 (v.32bis/V-HST)

>I picked this conference up in hopes of getting info on HO railroads.
>Looking to get into it with my daughter at Christmas. Am I in the
>wrong place (this looks like real railroad (full scale))? If so is
>there a newsgroup dedicated to the "smaller" scales? Thanks, and Merry
>Christmas to all from the Pine Tree State!

You might try rec.models.railroad too. It deals (mostly...) with railroad
models. If you don't get this group, ask your newsadmin (or sysadmin) to
add it. It's worth it.

Long Haired Nick

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From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: Re: Diesel Configurations?
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:08:54

In article <1992Dec7.051527.27778@news.uiowa.edu> saevans@icaen.uiowa.edu (Scott A Evans) writes:

>I've seen a faq type file that shows the various configurations for steam
>locomotives and their names.  Is there any sort of faq or information on
>diesel locomotive configurations that would include information such as
>horsepower, model name, wheel configurations, etc?
>
>Scott
>

the paper bound book  of diesel rosters published by the people who publish
MR and trains (kalm-something) has just such a list in the opening section.
it also includes the total number built, and how many are still in service.
unfortunately, it does not include units that dont exist anymore, like the
U50's and DD35's. (althought there are still 3 or 4 rostered DD40AX's
around.)