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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Collective nouns (was: Vulcans on ST: TNG)
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:49:02 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <Susan_Schnitger.06mm@amicol.UUCP>, Susan_Schnitger@amicol (Susan Schnitger) writes:
>Robert Perlberg writes:
>
>>What are the collective nouns for the other ST life forms?
>>
>>       A flock of Andorians.
>>       A siege of Borg.
>>       A pride of Bejorans.
>>       A bevy of Betazoids.
>          ^^^^
> 
>Strange -- I always thought it was a BLATHER of Betazoids.

Or perhaps an annoyance of Betazoids?

I think I'd prefer to keep bevy for describing a group of Starfleet
medical officers.  ;-)

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From: bricker@osprey.cahs.colostate.edu (Chris Bricker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST II: Wrath of Khan --> New Footage
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:35:15 GMT
Organization: Applied Human Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins CO

In article <1992Aug25.021540.22247@news.unomaha.edu> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>palmj@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu  writes:
>> When I was in high school (84-87) I watched ST II probably two dozen times
>> with friends, when we were stuck at the boarding school with "weekend 
>> duty."  Obviously, even now I remember the movie all too well.
>> 
>> Last night, my local ABC affiliate showed it on TV, and to my surprise,
>> there was new footage not found on the old laserdisc or the VHS tape.
>> 
>
>I wrote Paramount studios about this, and have yet to hear back from them.
>That was a year ago.  Anyway, I have speculated that either it was new footage
>added, and was not seen in the theater.
>	2.  Nicholas Meyer deleted them in the final cut for some reason.
>	3.  Ike Eiseman wanted more money for him to appear in other scense
>	    in the movie.
>	4.  Paramount just didn't want to put it in.
>	5.  Fill in your own.
> 
If I remember correctly, when ABC bought the rights to broadcast STII, 
the package included several scenes that were left on the cutting room
floor.  ABC has since added these scenes to their broadcast.  Most of
these scenes are included in the novelization also.

Chris.
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9---cast list From USA TODAY
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:57:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.195001.13830@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> In article <BtwxMp.10v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>>from Sept 1st USA Today Life section in an article by Matt Roush
>>
>>	Ferengi Bartender Quark -- Armin Shimerman
>>
>>	Miles O'Brien  -- Colm Meaney
> 
> Wicked!  Excellent!
> 
> Armin Shimerman is the *original* Ferengi, the man all the Ferengi masks
> were based on, and by looking at him , you can tell.  He also played
> the leader of the Ferengi group in "The Last Outpost."
> 
> I got to see Mr Shimerman (who also played Father in "Beauty and the Beast")

Bzzt!  Soorry, wrong answer.  Roy Dotrice played Father in Beauty & the Beast.
Check it out.

Kellie
internet:;matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:00:24 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Sep1.061314.42689@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, demirtjis@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Ann Demirtjis) writes:
> 
> 
> --- SPOILERS --- SPOILERS --- SPOILERS --- SPOILERS --- SPOILERS ---
> 	I don't think that this post contains any real spoilers, but I prefer
> to play it safe... :-)
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> -- Hi 
> 
> 	I have a question concerning the episode "The Next Phase". At the
> end of the show, Picard is seen saying to Dr Crusher the following: "If she 
> hadn't lost her rank in the incident on Galon 4 (sp?), I think she would have 
> been Lieutenant Commander by now". I assume he was speaking about Ro since 
> earlier in the episode Ro said something about Picard having given her a chance
> when nobody else did. What is this all about?? I guess they are refering to 
> another episode, but which one ? When did Ro come aboard the E and where is
> she from ? (she explains some of her people's customs in TNP, but I couldn't
> catch the name of her native world).
> 
> 	Thanks in advance for the help... :-)	    

Ensign Ro Larren was introduced this last season in the episode "Ensign Ro".
She was being used as a pawn by an Admiral intent on going to war with the
Cardassians.  She ended began by circumventing Picard's attempts to reach a
peaceful agreement (on the Admiral's orders) and ended up helping the E find
a solution.  In the process she impressed Picard enough that he asked her to 
stay in starfleet, on the Big E.

The rest, as they say, is history...

LL&P,
Gabor.

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From: susher@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors on other series
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:36:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1684A128D9.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>     Here is one I've forgotten.  Gates McFadden has a very small role
> in Muppets Take Manhatten as a secretary for a Broadway agent near the
> beginning of the movie.

And of course Patrick Stewart was Gurney (sp?) in DUNE.

Steve
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From: ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Subject: Re: Piece Offering?
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:09:36 GMT

In article <64740@cup.portal.com> DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta) writes:
>>and she's a peace offering.
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>There's a pun in there somewhere. :-)
>
>(I swear I can be so juvenile sometimes!)
Yeah, but it is a great thought.  

The pun, that is. ;-)

Ricky
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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Charlie X
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

hello from wet and windy England

The Beeb showed "Charlie X" last night in its millionth rerun of TOS.
This is the one when a 17 year old boy who had been living alone on a planet
for 14 years tries to take over the ship when the big E takes him home.
A fairly good episode, Kirk is his usual stubborn cunning self as he outwits
the mysterious alien (Charlie). There is a good scene when Jim beats Spock
and 3-d chess by playing *illogically*. Spock was caught smiling before
Uhura started singing in the rec room. One strange thing:
Jim is with Charlie when he gets a message to come up to the bridge, Jim is wearing
his gold captains shirt with a black collar. Jim and Charlie get into the
turbolift and then when they arrive on the bridge, Jim is wearing his green open necked
captains shirt. 
There are 3 possible explanations:

1. The big E's turbolifts have an *automatic costume change lever*, like
in the 60's BATMAN TV show :-).

2. This was another exhibition of Charlies amazing powers in changing the
colour of Jim's shirt without anyone else knowing.

3. A blooper.

What do you think?

tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: warp drive and other 10-step scales (silly)
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:08:49 GMT


Sometimes when I am driving, I image my speedometer to be a warp scale
(10 mph = 1 warp step).  Free way cruising is around warp 6 or 7.
Passing speed is around warp 8 or 9.  Maximum velocity of my auto is
around warp 10, but I've never tried it.
From: asmith@seismo.CSS.GOV (Al Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Backstage tour of Star Trek: The Next Generation
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:35:31 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA

Shakespeare Santa Cruz is having a Curtain Call Auction
on September 5 at 7:00pm. Among the items for auction is a
backstage tour of Star Trek: Next Generation during a taping
of a new episode. The day is to be arranged with Paramount 
Pictures. For further information and to order a $15 ticket for 
the auction, call Shakespeare Santa Cruz at (408) 459-4168.

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From: grot4785@hgc.edu (Steven Grotten)
Subject: Re: warp drive and other 10-step scales (silly)
Organization: absolutely none whatsoever
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.153236.8896@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.000849.11825@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>
>>Sometimes when I am driving, I image my speedometer to be a warp scale
>>(10 mph = 1 warp step).  Free way cruising is around warp 6 or 7.
>>Passing speed is around warp 8 or 9.  Maximum velocity of my auto is
>>around warp 10, but I've never tried it.
>
>
>Heh.  By your reckoning, I've passed warp 13 in my '64 Galaxy.  ;-)
>
>-- 
>      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
>		

To add to the silliness . . . consider anything under 100 mph to be
impulse power, thus 3/4 impulse power is equivalent to 75 mph, a good
cruising speed.  Each warp factor is 10 mph over 100 mph.  Thus in the
above example, Charles' Galaxy was traveling at warp 3.  With this
scale, warp 10 truly is impressive.

Comments ?
	
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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG already translated?
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Greetings from Angleterre

I was in France earlier this year on business and I happened to see the
end of the TOS episode "The Savage Curtain" and the actors dubbing Kirk
and co didn't really sound anything like Shatner and co. 
When Denis gets to see French TNG in Quebec next year it will be interesting
so see how Jean-Luc Picard sounds, will we have him speaking French with
an English accent :-). It's always seemed strange that the Captain is
called Jean-Luc Picard but played by an Englishman. If they wanted to
give him a French name why didn't they get a Frenchman to play it, if
Stewart was their man for the role why not call him John Pike (there's
a good name for a captain).

Mind you in TOS we have Shatner (Canadian) playing Kirk (American)
so having and Englishman playing a Frenchman does make some kind of
*illogical* sense. Is the captain in DS9 going to play someone
of a different nationality?

au revoir


tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Season Premiere - Picard gets Tribble toupee!
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:05:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.191318.22988@sparky.imd.sterling.com> mark@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Buglewicz) writes:
>It's true, I swear it :)
>
>Mark
>

See? Even Mark backs me up on this one!


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From: tmurray@socrates.umd.edu (Tony Murray)
Subject: Re: James Doohan to appear on TNG! ** SPOILERS **
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:50:20 GMT

adam@sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam) writes:

>In article <8310@orbit.cts.com>, chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson) writes:
>> James Doohan will appear as "Scotty" in a sixth season episode of TNG called
>> 'Relics.'  In this episode Scotty takes a 75 year 'jump' into the future,

>oh puke! this is what i feared the most. TNG slowly turning into TOS.
> one of the nice things about TNG has been that it _was_ separate from TOS.

If one guest star makes the difference, I guess DeForest Kelley's
appearance in the first episode doesn't count, eh?  Other than 
that, we've seen Spock.  My oh my...after that appearance, TNG
sure started being almost a TOS clone...My oh my. (sarcasm alert)

>o.k... when are the feminists going to start complaining that none of the
>females seem capable of time travel while all the men are?

If you're just talking about females time-travelling, talk to
Rachel Garrett from the Enterprise C.  If you're referring to
female TOS cast members, your out of luck.  Scotty's appearance
is the only TOS appearance so far that has involved time travel.

:)

(and one more for good measure)  :)




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From: M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:36:39 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

So, if we restrict ourselves to reality and avoid faster than light travel,
there is no way we are going to get anywhere besides our own solar system in any
reasonable time. It would need to by planet trudge rather than star trek.

Mike
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From: wesiegel@cie.uoregon.edu (William Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Jim Doohan on CNN Showbiz Today *SPOILERS*
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:33:32 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug27.125133.9014@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00ajpayne@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.011132.8047@nntp.uoregon.edu>, wesiegel@cie.uoregon.edu (William Siegel) writes:
>> 
>> James Doohan discusses a bit of the plot for the episode "Relics" and he 
>> talks about working with the Enterprise-D's engineer to save the Enterprise.
>> 
>> Maybe the engineer is Geordi, although his other comments about ST:TNG being
>> the best science fiction to be seen over the next 15 to 20 years might 
>> indicate that Scotty could be a permanent cast member at some point and 
>> definatelya character who is a relatively regular guest, like Roxanna Troi.
>                                                                ^^^^^^^
>								^^^^^^^
>
>Roxanna Troi, who the hell is that......
>	A betazoid punk rock singer it sounds like.....
>
>Sorry no Roxanna here, only us people with real brains.
>
I now humble myself before the unforgiving and relentless netters who feel
I have violated the sacred trust of making a mistake about this, my least 
favorite, character's name.  I have fielded about 20 messages in my mailbox
and feel that I have made a simple mistake.  I stand corrected and have learned
that I am incorrect about this character's name.  I will strive to make certain
I make perfect posts in the future, at least about what everyone can agree with.

I now affirm for now and forever that the character I was referring to is 
Lwauxanna Troi not Roxanna Troi, a bastered step-shild of Deanna Troi in 
an alternate universe contained in my confused, befuddled, unreal mind which
is housed in my somewhat artificial brain.

I apologize sincerely. 8-)

William Siegel>
>> 
>> Just a few thoughts.
>> 
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Tom Kuchar			  
>>>kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
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>>>Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Puns
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:55:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

I had to add this one:

"He's Dead, Jim", says McCoy, introducing Kirk to Jerry Garcia
in some lost footage of the episode "Assignment, Earth"
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From: mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones)
Subject: "Future Site of Starfleet HQ"
Organization: Caere Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:34:54 GMT

stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>Along the same lines, we fans should get together and put a sign in San
>Fransisco's Presido "future site of Starfleet HQ".

Judging from the view out the window of HQ and the various movie
posters, Starfleet HQ should be on the Marin headlands.  Close enough
to be called "San Francisco" in the same way that Mare Island and
Skaggs Island military installations refer to themselves as being "San
Francisco".  (Or even SFO airport for that matter -- San Bruno Int'l.)

I thought the STIV movie poster was hilarious by the way.  Ask a San
Franciscan "what's wrong with this picture?" and he'll look at it for a
moment and say, "It's backwards!"  :)  It's a mirror image view of San
Francisco from Marin.

Mojo

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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: warp drive and other 10-step scales (silly)
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:12:16 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Sep1.000849.11825@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>
>Sometimes when I am driving, I image my speedometer to be a warp scale
>(10 mph = 1 warp step).  Free way cruising is around warp 6 or 7.
>Passing speed is around warp 8 or 9.  Maximum velocity of my auto is
>around warp 10, but I've never tried it.

Perhaps you should think to a logarithm scale?

say 160 mph= warp 10
80mph=warp 9
40=warp 8 etc.

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From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: picard's mistake
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:48:03 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

>>In article <92226.084951ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>>>PERHAPS "THE MISTAKE" WAS PICARD HAVING SEX WITH BEVERLY CRUSHER, AND HAVING
>>>WESLEY, CAUSING JACK CRUSHER (A MUTUAL FRIEND) TO MARRY HER, IN AN EMOTIONALLY-
>>>CHARGED FLASH-BACK EPISODE.
>>


Excuse me, but what episode was this? I don't remember ANYTHING like that,
and I've seen (but don't necessarily remember) every episode.
From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:50:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Aug21.224320.11933@cs.sfu.ca>

>I suppose one could say the same about the rest of the Enterprise crew!
>
>(Things we won't see: Riker and Worf plotting about how to get out of this
>prison they call the Enterprise, and getting back at those Starfleet admirals
>that sentenced to a life of slavery in Starfleet!)
>
>Kenward Chin

But But But... The REST of the crew gets to wander the ship... go to 
10-Forward, play on the Holodeck... The Dolphins gave up a vast ocean
for an Aquarium... They don't go to 10-Forward... (They may have their
own Holodeck) and Riker and Worf aren't confined to quarters... the Dolphins
are.

Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors on other series
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.095929.931@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>
gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
 
>> Here's another on for Gates. She was in The Hunt for Red October. She
>> was Alec Baldwin's character's wife I believe.
 
>Problem with this citation:  Gates was left on the cutting room floor of that
>movie...
 
I beg to differ.  Gates was most certainly in the movie.  Perhaps not long,
but she was in there and she was in the credits.  Perhaps you meant to
say "most of her scenes ended up on the cutting room floor." ???
From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: FAQL: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS LIST for rec.art
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:41:06 GMT

> 
> Colm Meaney as Chief  Miles E.   O'Brien  (along with  Keiko and daughter).
> Colm Meaney has decided that he would like to switch shows.  Keiko will not
> deal well  with the  change of  scenery and  following her  husband to this
> hellhole in order to support his career.  Look of more domestic strife.  He
> would receive a commission and would be  "Chief Operating  Officer" in this
> case.
> 

According to my ST:TNG trading cards (which are officially licenced and
such) O'Brien is a Leuitenant now.  His nickname is Chief.  Dunno why
but that's what they list him as.

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