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From: dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil (H. Mike Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: RE: Christian Coalition (was Christian Dancing & Clubs)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:18:48 GMT
	<1993Jan25.144743.27432@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>
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I'm not including the orginal post to save space.  I want my response
to be as clear as I can make it.

Depending on your perspective with respect to Biblical prophecy,
Saints, we are living in an exciting age.  My views on homosexuality
are in-line with God's word.  My struggle, though, is within :

	Do I fight ??
	   .or.
	Do I anticipate ??

If I choose to fight, then I must choose my weapon.  If my weapon is
vocal and delivered with tremendous thunder, I am labeled a fanatic.
History shows that fanatics never win !!  However, if my weapon is
silent, delivered from my closet, the potential for success is Heaven
sent.  The Word says, "The fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth
much".  Therefore, if I choose to fight, I fight on my knees, which 
guarrantees results ... in the situation, not necessarily  ....
			in myself, always.

Then there is the choice of anticipation.  We have moved into an age
where the entire universe is being prep'd for finality.  All of 
prophecy has already been fulfilled or is NOW in the process.  With
this, I am at peace !!  With this, I am excited !!

Yes, it is interesting that, "that which is unholy" is being thrust
upon us.  Don't be surprised !  We should know that it will happen.
However, it is our response which will make the greatest impact.  How
we choose to deal with the devourer is what establishes our ability
to defeat him.  I have learned over the years that my ability to
defeat Satan does not extends outside my own self.  I can not change 
others.

In fact, I am a father of five (5) sons.  I can not even defeat Satan
directly in their lives.  I can only equip them to do the battle 
themselves.

Saints .... Get Excited .... Keep Looking Up !!!

Our environment, physically, politically and, yes, even spiritually
are all under attack.  We, as christians, by the words of leaders in
the Democratic National Convention, are "enemies of the state".  We
appose them at virtually every corner.  (PROPHETIC) 

Our weather, seems almost angry and lashes out with extreme
distruction  (PROPHETIC)

The E.C.  (PROPHETIC)

IRAQ !!   (PROPHETIC)

United Nations  (PROPHETIC)

HOMOSEXUALITY ... the original post ....  (PROPHETIC)

As in the days of Noah !!

By His Grace

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:27:09 -0500 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of Phil Driscoll?

Phil Driscoll would be universally acclaimed as a great CCM musician
were it not for the fact that he sings on his albums.  His trumpet
playing is excellent, and is the reason, if any, that you should buy his 
albums.  He's been in the CCM business since before there was one.

His singing sounds like a sad out-of-pitch crocodile, and my comment 
reflects the fact that he has actually improved in recent years.
Touring with all these singers on the Young Messiah tour every year is 
having an effect on him.

Steve Timm
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Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:50:43 EST
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ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater) writes:
> 
> If you want to see the closest thing you can get to Christian 
> Existentialism read a book called Ecclesiastes.

done. it's one of my favorite books. not because it borders on 
existentialism, but because, like much of my favorite music, it's 
honest about life, yet closes with a ray of hope. somehow, even tho'
so much time is spent on detailing the difficulties & hopelessness
of a fallen world, one tiny spark of God's Love is so much greater.

jason "A sad face is good for the heart..." steiner

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From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: New topic...
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:15:44 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Gezz, I shoot off my mouth about commitment and sexuality and I get mistaken
for a fundamentalist.  I HATE it when that happens...

Paul's right, it really ISN'T that simple. 
But, I'll let THAT horse wander off to die... 

IMHO, Steve Taylor's greatest contribution to CCM was that he wrote things
that made you THINK.  I mean, "Jim Morrison's Grave" won't fly on CCM radio, 
but "Love God, Hate Sin" (Mylon & BrokenHeart, from 'Crack the Sky') will.  
It seems that things that are fairly straight forward are most popular.

(At least on the stations near me...)

If you ever saw ST in concert, he was fabulous. 
And I thought the studio work on '1990' was okay.  Not tremendous, but
okay.  Previous albums weren't as good, so if you're looking for appearences
by jackie street or anyone named 'huff', then look elswhere.


Another topic:

Current favorite (mostly) Gospel session artists:

I won't list yet. I'm curious to see what pops up!



Scott Naylor (have guitar, will travel...)
Ball State University
Muncie, Indiana
00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:48:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan21.121304.13900@bsu-ucs> 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

(dating, courtship, and sexual consummation history deleted.  But if that
isn't an enticement to go back and read the original article, then I 
don't know what is.)

>And by the way, I really loved Steve Taylor's last album, 'I Predict 1990',
>released in 1989 and produced by the Beaufort twins.  (You mas have wondered
>when this was going to get around to something worthy of posting in this 
>group...)
>
>That was a great album; some of his best, as far as I was concerned. 

Hmm.  Let me express some mild disagreement here.  I've been reading
positive comments about Steve for a long time in this newsgroup, so
I recently took the plunge and bought my first ST album.  It happened
to be "I Predict 1990."

I've only listened to it two or three times, and I really need to give
it more of a chance, but my initial impression was one of disappointment.
The problems that I saw:  a lack of interesting melodies, a fairly
nondescript and uninvolving vocal style, and too many darn keyboards/
synths.  

The last point is particularly bothersome to me.  Now, I realize that all 
of this is highly subjective, but I just don't like synth-pop music,
and my idea of hell is broad enough to incorporate Depeche Mode and 
New Order.  Steve's album contained a little too much blipping and
bleeping for my tastes.

Maybe not so surprisingly, the guitar-based, up-tempo songs worked
best for me.  "Jim Morrison's Grave" and "I Blew Up the Clinic Real
Good" worked just fine.  And some of the synth-based songs - "Since
I Gave Up Hope I Feel a Lot Better" and "The Jung and the Restless" -
were just too clever not to like.  

And that's why I need to express my disagreement in relatively mild
terms.  The guy *does* write wonderful lyrics.  And, for reasons
I can't explain, I feel drawn to someone who does sarcastic send-ups
of Psychotherapy as Religion and Despair as a Fashion Statement.  
He manages to be pretty funny, too.

So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
"I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.

>Scott "Abstinence is underrated, but tedious" Naylor

Absolutely.  Also, free will is largely overrated. 

>Ball State University
>Muncie, Indiana
>snaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
>
>(Or, yell really loudly; I hear fairly well) 

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 77's, Crucified/Mortal, etc. @ the Power House/Texas
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:02:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
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In article <24JAN199315403951@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>For those interested, here's the exact dates and such of the bands I
>mentioned earlier playing the Power House in Dallas/Fort Worth.
>
>Seventy Sevens -- January 29 and 30
>
>Also, for those around south Texas who'd rather not drive to D/FW

Well, some of us down here in Central Texas (i.e. in Austin) would not mind
driving 200 miles to North Texas (i.e. Dallas) to see a great group like
the 77's, but so far we haven't been able to get ahold of the people there
to secure for ourselves tickets, and obviously we don't want to drive that
far and not be able to get in.

Soooo... Does anyone know how we can get ahold of Powerhouse and get
tickets to either of the 77's shows from Austin?  We've called Powerhouse
(long distance) and just gotten their annoying recording.

Do they have more than one phone number?  Is there a certain time to call?
Is there some other way of getting tickets?  Obviously, we don't have a
Dallas phonebook handy.  :-)

SOMEBODY HELP US!  WE CAN'T MISS THE 77'S!!

If anyone living in Dallas would like to do us the favor of investigating
how we can get tickets, we'd be very appreciative.  (BTW, "we" means me
and my roommate and a guy named Paul, and possibly some other people.)

E-mail to this account is fine, or just a general post on how to get
ahold of Powerhouse on the phone would be o.k.

Mucho thanks....

Adios,
  Logan
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Subject: Re: Al Denson "Extra Mile" Tour Dates/Locations
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:34:50 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

> Since several of people have asked me indirectly to give out the
> information on Al's concert schedule, I thought I would just post
> it to the group.
> 
> Beware:  He bought a whole warehouse full of video and audio/PA
> stuff, so it should be a treat!  Let us know if you are able to
> attend a concert -- tell us what you think.
> 
> Here goes --
> 
> 
> 		THE EXTRA MILE TOUR
> 
> JANUARY
> 27	North Little Rock, AR	1st Assembly of God

Hey, that's my church!!!  This one almost got cancelled when we lost our youth
pastor last month, but our evangelism/education pastor renegotiated and kept
it on.  It's tomorrow night (Wednesday).  I'll post Thursday or Friday and
let you know how it was.

> APRIL
>  8	Camden, AR		First Baptist Church
> 
Maybe I can go to this one too, and compare early tour/later tour.  That's a
Thursday, so there wouldn't be a conflict with services at my church (I run
sound for the youth service).

> Larry S. Anderson, Ed.D.      lsa1@ra.msstate.edu
> 	Department of Technology & Education
> 	Founder, National Center for Technology Planning
> 	               and

Brian P. Roden
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
From: umwieb81@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Alexander David Wiebe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Being duped eh? (Yes I'm Canadian). Hmmm...

Well I have at least two problems with this article (other then it doesn't
belong in a music news group - but Oh well :)), they are:

1) Jesus is NOT dead!!!
2) Emotions can be VERY different from real peace.

Allow me to expand....

1) Read the WHOLE Bible (not just the parts that can be twisted to suuit
your own ideas) and you will see that God told His people about Jesus, His
purpose, death, and RESURECTION before He came!!  As well you will see
that 4 people wrote detailed accounts of His RESURECTION.  Christians
aren't worshiping a dead man, but are involved in a personal relationship
with a very ALIVE Jesus.

2) I agree that our feelings cannot be trusted.  If I trusted my feelings
then I would have tossed Christianity out the window a LONG time ago.
However, emotions and feelings do play a very real part in any religion.

Let me ask you a few questions...

- Does your belief or philosophy leave you with a true sense of peace
about what happens to you when you die?

- Can your belief or philosophy fill you with *JOY* (not neccessarily
hapiness) when things are really going bad?

Jesus can, because He is alive and He loves you.

For the past year I have been battling against cancer (tell me THAT
doesn't make one think about death!).  My feelings and emotions having
riding a most wild roller coaster, but you know, when I was at my worst
(vomiting every 30 minutes for 8 hours straight as a result of INTENSE
chemotherapy) I did not 'feel' like a Christian.  In fact I 'felt' like God
had deserted me, but then a curious thing happened.  I 'just happened' :)
to be reading II Corinthians 12 when I came upon the words 'My grace is
sufficient'.  Those words opened my eyes to the love that Jesus has for me
and for a few days I felt great, both physically and emotionally!!!!  Oh
sure after that there were still days of physical and emotional hell, but
my soul 'felt' at peace and had joy in it.  You may say 'Ya, but was 6
months ago.', well some time in the next few weeks I begin radiotherapy,
and for some strange reason ;) I'm not worried about it.

Now I ask you,  can you say the same for your faith?


ps:  Christianity is not a blind faith, in fact it wasn't until I became a
Christian that my eyes were truly opened to reality.

pss: remember, you are being prayed for.
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From: barothwe@hwking.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Subject: ATTN: Christian Songwriters
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 07:44:30 -0600
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	I'm a Christian songwriter and am interested in getting in
contact with other Christian songwriters via the net.

	I'm specifically interested in these points right now:

		1.  Is there a Christian equivalent to 
		    the NAS (National Assoc. of Songwriters)?

		2.  Does any one have any tips on submitting
		    new material?

		3.  Does anyone know of a source for contact names,
		    numbers, and addresses in the Christian music
		    industry?

		4.  Is there a trade publication like "Song Plugger"
		    that focuses on Christian music?

Hoping to hear from you soon!

--
Bruce

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From: bmoore@sunfish.austin.ibm.com (Bryan Moore)
Subject: First Call Concert
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:24:50 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin


Last night I went to see First Call at the First Baptist Church
in Georgetown, Texas. I have never listened much to this group,
but loved the group Fireworks ( the group that Marty McCall was in
before First Call). Does anyone know if any Fireworks stuff is
available on CD? 

Anyway, I was kind of disappointed because the first thing I noticed
is that there was going to be know live band or live instruments of
any kind. It looked like they would be singing to a music track,
which to me is a real bummer. Then, when they came out, I could
swear that they were just lip synching, and not even singing at all.
Now I was really bumming, I felt like leaving and complaining right
there. But as the show progressed, I realized that they weren't lip
synching, but just had amazing voices. The songs I enjoyed the
most were the accapello songs with no music track. I knew Marty
studied voice in college, and enjoyed his voice from Fireworks,
but never had a change to listen to and enjoy the full range of his
vocal talents. The two females with him were equally impressive, and
they vocals blended well together. Their stage presence wasn't great,
but was ok. The mostly older crowd found it hard to "get into" the     
concert...I really would have liked to have got up and danced in the
aisles to a couple of tunes, but felt like the crowd was a little
uptight. They played mostly songs from their latest album, I think
it's called "Human Touch."

Overall it was worth my $10, but I really wish they would have had
live musicians to back them up.

-Bryan
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From: mvanes6@mach1.wlu.ca (Marc van Es)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
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Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:53:19 GMT

the only thing going through my mind while reading this article (which i do
not agree with) was (paraphrased from the Bible)

	many will come saying "Here is the Christ" and "There he is", or
	"I am He", but when the Son of Man comes, there will be a sign in
	the sky and everyone will know it is me, and who i am.

apologies for perhaps piecing together a piece of John and possibly a few
other gospels, but i'm confident i have the message correct.

						marc
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: NEW DA  3-4 weeks
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:15:57 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        NEW DA ALBUM IN THE STORES WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH!!!!!!!!

        I should have my limited-edition-promo-copy-that's-hard-to-get-
unless-you-work-in-radio-or-know-somebody within a week or so.  I'm one of
the lucky ones.
        Don't you dare miss it.  It only took a year and a half this time, but
I'm sure they will deliver.
        If we are all lucky, they might play live this year outside of a
festival or two.  Not likely.  But that's what albums are for.
From: v091kmyk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin Fredette)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: "Natural Woman"
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Regarding the earlier question as to who originally recorded that
song, it was Aretha Franklin.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)
Subject: Steven Curtis Chapman Concert Schedule?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:43:17 GMT

ANyone know where I could get ahold of a Steven Curtis Chapman concert 
schedule.? 

I live in Champaign, Illinois, and was wondering if he would be doing any 
concerts in the area.

Thanks

MAC
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: gWs/DPP/SLAVA/Dietiphobia/Whats UP?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:49:11 GMT

In article <C19nqz.Bx4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!) writes:
>clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>|         Basically, what's up with Brent Stackhouse, and what's up with Wally
>| Shaw?  I figured that things would be cool, after the split
>| but when I realized that they seemed to be living parallel lives with
>| production companies that seem to be in competition, I began to worry 
>| that things were not all happy in Blonde Vynil Techno Land. Wally got the name
>| "Dietiphobia," Brent got the name "Digital Priests."  It looks like a bad
>| divorce to me. 
>|         I don't want to facilitate the spreading of gossip, or backstabbing. 
>| If you can inform us without slandering our brothers, please do. 
>
>I'll try.
>You see, actually, we (gWs) have been kept sort of on the outside.  Most people
>have been.  But I will tell you the (true) events that I know of, and avoid
>airing my speculations (I hope):
>

boy, oh boy, do I hate crap like this...

I think that putting forth the know facts like this is a good idea.  It
shows people how stupid people can be.  Hopefully, we can learn from
our mistakes and try to get on with life.  We need to work on
understanding and forgiveness.

all of us...

>
>cE! / globalWAVEsystem
>Corporate rock still sucks

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From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:18:45 GMT

In article <1jpu53INNgra@shelley.u.washington.edu> jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know if any videos were made for any CG songs?  I have
>>seen the videos for 1990, and some are pretty good.  Jim Morison's
>>grave is absolutely increadible!
>
>I've heard of and read about, but not seen, a video for "Violent Blue." It
>was supposedly shot in a cave.

What cave, John? Inquiring cavers *(:-) want to know...


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From: wdavid@sinkhole.unf.edu (Bill David)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U R Illiterate (was Re: Who does song "House of Faith"?)
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:14:55 GMT
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

In article <1itjhbINN3mu@shelley.u.washington.edu> jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>
>By the way, do we have Prince to thank for all this, or was there someone
>B4 him who felt the need to abbreviate two and three letter words?
>

Heh. That obnoxious too-hip spelling annoys the heck out of me. Prince
is guilty, but it goes back at least to Slade and Sly & The Family Stone
in the 60's/70's in the secular music world. Why the otherwise
clear-headed people in CCM picked up on it, I'll never know. :)

-Bill
wdavid@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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