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From: prp@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Ms. Puangpen Rayabphand - TIC Chula BKK")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Election Watch from Thailand - Nation 05/09/92
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:13:01 GMT
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DEALING WITH MAY'S LEGACY

Four of the leading premiership contenders say their parties will
vote against the controversial executive decree which granted a
general amnestry for all involved in the May turmoil when the next
elected house is formed after next Sunday's poll.


PERMANENT LEGAL STATUS MOOTED FOR POLLWATCH

PollWatch chairman Deputy Prime minister Kasem  Suwanagul yesterday
proposed that legislation be introduced to make the independent election
watchdog a permanent body to improve efficiency in ensuring fair elections
From: itthi@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Itthi Trisirisatayawong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Can anyone explain to me....
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: itthi@sunburn.UUCP (Itthi Trisirisatayawong)
Organization: University of Melbourne, Dpt of Surveying and Land Information

In article <13SEP199218440507@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>Can anyone explain to me why the democracy party did not get swept into
>power with an overwhelming majority of votes?  Did those who died
>lay down their lives for nothing?
>

Maybe this is a major factor. I watched a News on SBS channel here on Saturday
night. The news was about the coming election. The reporte went to rural areas
and asked people living there what they thought about May's event. They said
they heard a little about it but never see pictures or anything else
to confirm the rumours. So how could they be sure that it was true? The event 
news, though known throughout the world, didn't spread well in Thailand's
rural areas.

Another factor is the villagers are very poor and since they are poor their
first priority is to find something to fill their stomachs. Suppose that
they are better informed, I think they'll still neglect the information.
The bad politicians buy their votes and always get parliament seats. Vote 
buying, how ugly it is, is a way for poor people to get money. It seems
insane that some 50 or 100 bahts can be used to buy one's vote but it does
not if we take into consideration the fact that lots of Thai people's annual 
income is only few thousand bahts.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Poor Thailand
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:15:00 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9209131928.N244-b100000@chulkn.chula.ac.th>, fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Dr. Yunyong Ten writes...
>I am sorry that although we have connection to the Internet and
>400 hundred users on the system, we cannot actively participate
>in the group discussion of the net.
> 
>The connection is just one and a half months old.  We have
>limited facilities for people to access the system.  Most of the
>accounts are just for show.  We even have the former Premier
>Khun Anand as a user on this system since he is a member of the
>University's Senate.
> 
>Also, we have not installed the news s/w on our system yet.  I
>posted teh news using normal mail and have to log in to remote
>machine to read news.  Not many people know how to do this.
> 
>Another thing is that news reading is not on the priority list
>for us at the moment.  Most of the users want to contact their
>colleagues on the other side for their research work.  They
>don't even have time for local news how can they be interested
>in chit chat on the network.
> 
>The net serves people and not the other way around.  This
>facility is extremely expensive at the moment.  Please excuse us
>if we misplace our priority.
> 
>Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
>Center of Academic Resources		Voice:	(662) 218 2925
>Chulalongkorn University		Fax:	(662) 215 3617
>Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand	Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th

No, please excuse me if I gave the impression of being unduly critical.
I had only hoped to encourage some discussion amongst people on the 
network, which is what happens on most of the other soc.culture.country
groups.  A free discussion between those on the ground in Thailand
and those of us outside who are interested in what is really going on 
and do not rely on the newspapers for full and accurate reporting,
would be most welcome.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Can anyone explain to me....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:28:00 GMT

In article <3136@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, itthi@sunburn.UUCP (Itthi Trisirisatayawo writes...
>In article <13SEP199218440507@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>Can anyone explain to me why the democracy party did not get swept into
>>power with an overwhelming majority of votes?  Did those who died
>>lay down their lives for nothing?
>>
> 
>Maybe this is a major factor. I watched a News on SBS channel here on Saturday
>night. The news was about the coming election. The reporte went to rural areas
>and asked people living there what they thought about May's event. They said
>they heard a little about it but never see pictures or anything else
>to confirm the rumours. So how could they be sure that it was true? The event 
>news, though known throughout the world, didn't spread well in Thailand's
>rural areas.
> 
>Another factor is the villagers are very poor and since they are poor their
>first priority is to find something to fill their stomachs. Suppose that
>they are better informed, I think they'll still neglect the information.
>The bad politicians buy their votes and always get parliament seats. Vote 
>buying, how ugly it is, is a way for poor people to get money. It seems
>insane that some 50 or 100 bahts can be used to buy one's vote but it does
>not if we take into consideration the fact that lots of Thai people's annual 
>income is only few thousand bahts.
> 
> 

I have been to many Thai villages and know how poor the people are.  I'm
afraid that I do not feel that they should be excused for selling their votes
- they are not children and must take responsibility for their actions just
like everyone else has to do.  If other Thais risked injury and death, then
it is asking little to expect others to give up 50 - 100 baht.  Anyway,
let's be realistic, how much food does that buy?  - 5 - 10 kilos of rice,
10 - 20 small fish from the market - is it worth it?  Its value in terms
of what it buys is around $10 - $20 in the US, would you give up your
vote for that?  Perhaps if you were starving, but I would guess that the
starving don't have a vote to give up, as they have no address, and that
those who sell their votes are not in this category at all.

I don't understand why the villagers are not better informed.  They certainly
watch TV (as I have never seen a village without one) and they certainly
listen to the radio stations.  Either the May uprising was reported, or news
is even more heavily censored there than I supposed.


laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu ()
Subject: thaipolitics
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:09:45 GMT

I hope what was posted in article 2668 won't
become true.  If the New Aspiration Party
defects to those devils, we probably go back to the dark age again.
Thian
From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: New Government?
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:47:07 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

As of 7.40 pm:

Democrat		80	Chart Thai		72
New Hope		55	Chart Pattana		61
Palang Tham		50	Kij Sangkom		18
Seree Tham		8	Prachakorn Thai		5
Ekkapap			7	Muan Chon		3
				Rassadorn		1
TOTAL			200				160
			^Rattaban?			^Fai Karn?
			(government)			(opposition)

From Channel 11
THIS IS NOT FINAL YET

fyta
Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: I think it's been really good
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:38:00 GMT

I think coverage of the election and all the associated news had been
REALLY EXCELLENT, and a tribute to the users in Thailand.

Sadly the results of the election are disappointing, and it seems the
messages from May have not really got through to people.  Also it is
evident that vote-buying is still continuing on a large scale.  I wonder
how people can be made to realise that the short term gains from selling
their vote to a corrupt party are negligible compared to the long-term
gains from a real democracy?

So, are we going to see any REAL changes in Thai politics following the
election, or is it going to be a re-hash of the same old thing with
different names?

Laurence
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Yet another *UNOFFICIAL* results
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:13:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0egzJK200Uh7I5W1c_
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.thai: 14-Sep-92 Re: Yet another
*UNOFFICIAL.. by LAURENCE GODFREY@sscvx1. 

> Should we give up hope for democracy in Thailand for the time being?

    No, we should not give up.  Democracy is a time-comsuming process
and big changes could not be expected.  As long as, Thais are optimistic
and work hard for democracy and other national development, Thailand
will prosper.

    In addition, the result of this election shows some good signs that
our political system is improved.

Schitt  Laowattana
From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: keeping you informed
Date: 12 Sep 1992 10:10:51 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

I will try to post bits and pieces of news during the weekends to
soc.culture.thai here so you all can follow the election from the
viewpoint of one Thai citizen.

Yunyong

Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
Center of Academic Resources		Voice:	(662) 218 2925
Chulalongkorn University		Fax:	(662) 215 3617
Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand	Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th
From: meechan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Korbkiat Meechan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: RE:) thaielection
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:48:25 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee


In article <1992Sep14.025844.986@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu ()                writes...
>I don't mind if the poor accept the money they are given
>because they deserve it.  However, they need not vote for those devils.
>Thian

>I assume that those who sell their votes are either shepherded to the voting
>place, or have their voting papers taken from them and filled in by someone
>else.  Otherwise, perhaps they are afraid of repercussions if they do not
>vote in the agreed way.
   
>Laurence


       I had been in Supanburi(Banhan's home town) some years ago. I have
seen that what he(Banhan) gave to his home town is much more than anybody can
imagin. People in that province love him and no matter how bad he seems to be, 
they will vote for him anyway, regardless of buying individual vote. So, I thinkthey are glad to vote for him.  This is why Banhan got the highest vote in the
election. 
 
      Many may call him a devil, but he may be God for people in his hometown.
Who can blame them?..they do what they think is right for them.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  If you think your life is stink, then look at Al Bundy's life.      ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  From. Kobkiat Meechan           | Mechanical Engineering            ~
From: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay")
Subject: Thai Comm Obstructed By CAT
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 07:21:32 +0700 (THA)
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From Pu-Jad-Karn-Rai-Wan 10 September 1992

THAI COMM OBSTRUCTED BY CAT, WAIT FOR NUKUL'S DECISION

Bangkok - Satellite "Thai Comm" obstructed.  CAT objected plan to use
the communication satellite, pointed out that Chinnawart has right only
to launch and lease transponders not the right to other services.  
Chinnawart will definitely suffer.  Plan to expand using Thai Comm
as pivot can falter.  Cellular 900, IBC, PhoneLink may not expand.
Waiting for "Nukul" to make last decision.

Why Thai Comm Suffers

On September 9 1991 Mr. Mahidol Chantrarangkul, Palad of Ministry of
Transportation signed agreement allowing Chinnawart Computer and
Communication Co. to establish ground station to control satellite
and receive signals for data voice video through satellite.  This is
by authority vested in Department of Post and Telegraph (Prai-Sa-Nee
Tro-Ra-Lek) which allows private company offering data services through
satellite under the network of the company asking for the permit but
cannot service the public community. (This is difficult to understand
and translate).

The agreement on Thai Comm satellite was signed on September 11, 1991 
between the Ministry of Transportation and Chinnawart Computer.

Around one year later, on September 4, Communication Authority of 
Thailand (CAT) objected to the Ministry saying that permit via
jurisdiction of the Dept of Post and Telegraph is against the Law
for Communication (Pra-Rach-Ban-Yad Kan-Suea-Sarn)

The Law stated that only CAT and the Telephone Organization of Thailand
can provide service via satellite.

On the same day ML. Cherngchai, Deputy Minister of Ministry of
Transportation, Chairman of the meeting, decreed that the Board of
Radio and Television Frequency Management will decide whether
Chinnawart has the right to set up the ground station to offer
service via satellite or not.  The Board has Mr. Nukul Prajuabmoh
as Chairman.

[ There is more.  But I am not very good at this.  So Thailand is
now in the hand of Nukul.  Wish us luck. ]

fyta


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)
Subject:  Backpacking in Thailand
Reply-To: rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:12:01 GMT

I am planning to spend 3-4 weeks backpacking in Thailand.  I intend 
to land in Bangkok, spend a couple of days there and then head out 
to smaller and more remote places.   
 
If anyone has done something like this, I would like to share your 
experience.  I will be travelling alone, sometime in January. 
 
Also, any input on getting to Laos via land would be appreciated. 
 
Thanx, 
 
    Rajiv Dhingra                domain: rajiv@Ultra.COM 
    Ultra Network Technologies     uucp: ...!ames!ultra!rajiv
    101 Daggett Drive             phone: 408-922-0100 x137  
    San Jose, CA 95134              FAX: 408-433-9287 
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: A morning on Election Day
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:46:00 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9209130606.C25748-b100000@chulkn.chula.ac.th>, fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng writes...
>6.30am BKK time (GMT+7):
> 
>There got to be some facinating changes in Thai politics today.
>I am all set to go out casting my vote.  And not only myself.
>The caravan (our little Mitsubishi) will be packed full with my
>wife, my two little ladies, my mother-in-law and my
>sister-in-law.  We have to move fast since I expect people to
>come out in the street in droves due to the heavy propaganda by
>Jaw Saw Roay "Witayu Kao Sarnnn.. Lae Karn Charajohnnn...".
> 
>All four of us have to go to three constituencies to cast our
>votes.  The ballot box closes at 3pm.  So it will be a hectic
>day for us.
> 
>We are choosing our New Prime Minister today.  Yesterday the
>constitutional amendment requiring the prime minister to be a
>Member of Parliament is promulgated in the Royal Gazette.  It is
>in effect as of today.  So the party leader that has the most
>seats will be the next PM.  But who knows...
> 
>At least we are going out there for the first time in droves (at
>least for my house).  We are going to vote for Democrat Party
>eventhough they will lose in Bangkok to Palang Tham Party.  But
>at least my mother-in-law has switched from Palang Tham to
>Democrat.  A minor victory :)
> 
>Wish us luck (my house to beat the traffic and our country to beat
>the "Nam Sear").
> 
>Yunyong or fyta
> 
>Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
>Center of Academic Resources		Voice:	(662) 218 2925
>Chulalongkorn University		Fax:	(662) 215 3617
>Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand	Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th
> 


I do indeed wish you luck, you and Thailand.  Maybe this time you might
get something close to a real democracy and then, who knows: no army
in parliament, no corruption in government, a police force which 
enforces the laws rather than acting as a government-licensed bribe
collecting agency - the possibilities are endless, and they are all
improvements.

Sawasdee khrap

Dr. laurence
From: htk@munnari.oz.AU (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:03:23 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Unofficial Bangkok Results
Thailand's General Election, 13rd September, 1993
-------------------------------------------------
 
Palang Dharma Party       22
Prachatipat Party          9
Prachakorn Thai Party      3
Muanchon Party             1
     total                35
 
Names: (number= khet number)
 
Palang Dharma Party
1   Winai Sompong
1   Arkorn Hoontrakul
2   Chamlong Srimuang
2   Suthep Attakorn
3   Tinnawat Marukapitak
3   Kruewan Samana
3   Samut Mongkolkitti
5   Udomsilp Srisaengnam
5   Sutin Noppaket
5   Art-ong Jumsai na ayuthaya
7   Thamrong Sanegsuriyachan
7   Sudarat Gayurapan
7   Chinnawut Sunthornsima
9   Thawin Praisont
9   Thian Manohoratad
9   Sompat Kalayawinai
10  Roj Wipatpumiprathet
10  Prasong Soonsiri
10  Thanet Pornpipatpong
11  Wilas Chanpitak
11  Sawaeng Roekcharan
12  Krasae Chanawong
 
Prachatipat Party
2   Marut Bunnag
4   Sawit Bhothiwihok
4   Akkapol Sorasuchart
4   Preecha Suwannatat
6   Charoen Kanthawong
6   Somkiet Chantawanit
6   Apisit Wejachiwa
8   Pramote Sukhum
8   Sompong Soosup-at
 
Prachakorn Thai Party
1   Samak Soonthorawet
12  Paweena Hongsakul
12  Sombat Rawdpothong
 
Muanchon Party
11  Chaleom Yoobamroong
From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Multiple entry points
Date: 13 Sep 1992 02:34:10 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway

I am trying to give info on the election night.  Since the news
system has some propagation delay I am sending news to three places
in the network.

I apologize if I create duplication and excessive bandwidth.  I hope
it will be satisfactory otherwise.

Yunyong
From: htk@munnari.oz.AU (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Chat Thai maintains central region power
Date: 15 Sep 1992 02:02:58 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Chat Thai maintains central region power
The Nation Monday September 14, 1992
 
THe Chat Thai Party yesterday retained its domination in the central
region where its leader, Pramarn Adireksarn, and secretary gencral,
Banharn Silapaarcha, ran for House seats in two provinces.
 
Despite campaigns by pro-democracy groups against "devil Parties" - a
category in which the Chat Thai was included, the party team led by
Banharn swept five House seats in Suphan Buri for the fifth consecutive
time.
 
Suphan Buri has been under the close watch of the poll-monitoring
committee because it was listed as a province under political influence.
The Suphan Buri governor was allegedly biased for former MPs there.  He
was temporarily transferred to the Interior Ministry two days before the
election, but urged residents to help "Suphan buri MPs to get the most
votes in Thailand" in a slogan to attract a large vote turn-out.
 
Apparently, it worked.
 
Once again Banharn emerged as the MP with the most votes in the country.
just as he had in the last election.  The Chat Thai secretary general
yesterday received more than 180,000 votes.
 
Although Pramarn and running-mate Ngern Boonsupha captured their House
seats in Saraburi again, the Chat Thai leader failed to help his son,
Pongpol Adireksarn, get elected with him.
 
Pongpol lost to Democrat Party candidate Somchai Sunthornwat who made
his political debut in this election.
 
The Chat Thai won 38 House seats in the region, four fewer than it did
in the March election.
 
The Democrat and Solidarity parties, which were dubbed "angels" for
their role against the Suchinda administration, were also successful in
the region.
 
The Democrat Party, which had won no seats in the central provinces in
the last election, scored nine MPs here yesterday.
 
The Solidarity got six Houst seats in the region, compared to two from
the last election.  Of those six seats, four were in the eastern
province of Chom Buri where party leader Uthai Pimchaichon ran.
From: htk@munnari.oz.AU (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Unofficial Gen Election Result Totals
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:03:59 GMT
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Here is the totals for Thailand's general election result as of 20:40 THI.

   Party                      Mar92   Sep92
   Chart Thai                  74       75
   Social Action               31       19
   Democrat                    44       79
   Prachakorn Thai              7        3
   New Aspiration              72       50
   Solidarity                   6        8
   Muan Chon                    1        4
   Rassadorn                    4        1
   Palang Dharma               41       48 
   Chart Pattana               --       64
   Seri Tham                   --        9
   Palang Prachachon           --        0

Most unofficial counts are now at 100%.  Incomplete results are
only a few provinces with remote districts and poor communications.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Batman Returns!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:00:00 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9209122326.A24906-9100000@chulkn.chula.ac.th>, fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Dr. Yunyong Ten writes...
>Pre-election night:
> 
>At 8pm Saturday, driving home through the center of Bangkok, the
>traffic on Rajdamri Rd. was still bad.  But the cause was a happy
>one.
> 
>Somebody brought in the Bat Mobile and Batman's accessories.  They
>are on show at World Trade Center Bangkok.  And this is the last
>night for the exhibition.
> 
>People were flocking to see the dream with their own eyes.  Ignoring
>the Big Day tomorrow for a while.
> 
>Maybe somebody will vote for Batman as our premier :)

I think Batman would make an ideal choice - he's honest, law-abiding,
never been in the army, doesn't visit massage parlours, faithful to
Robin etc.  But is he Thai

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
Subject: Re: I am increasingly disappointed....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:07:54 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>Sawasdee khrap,

>   According to te BKK post, 400 people have access, and other students

Yes, that's a figure if you count from a password file.....

nittida