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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:21:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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One volcano spews more than we ever will?

I didn't know volcanoes were radioactive.
I didn't know volcanoes poisoned ground water.
I didn't know volcanoes could cause generational birth defects.
I didn't know volcanoes gave off rare, unnatural toxic gases.
I didn't know volcanoes killed our ozone with chloroflourocarbons and
	other various chemicals still in use by large corporations.

The Rockwell/Nuclear Arms Plant is only the beginning.  Anyone would
be foolish to think that Rockwell is the only company doing this, the
only ones who are using profits as an excuse to sign peoples' death
warrants who live a hundred miles away.

With Volcanoes, at least you know it's coming.  With the corporations,
if they're okay, you don't know until well after the damage is done.
With the GOOD corporations, YOU NEVER KNOW.

Leftist?  Do _YOU_ want to live next to that Rockwell plant?  I sure
as hell don't.  Profits?  You're worried about JOBS?  I suppose.  To
each his own, but that is NOT the way I had thought groups like Zero
Population Growth would have wanted to see things "balanced".  This
isn't some silly political game, damnit, these are peoples lives and
peoples right to those lives being infringed and trampled upon by a
corporation whose prime concern is money.

I sure as hell don't want them dumping toxic chemicals in my backyard,
do you?  It's not political.  When it happens to other people, perhaps
_YOU_ wish to view it that way, but I don't.  We'll see how political
it is when some corporation starts killing YOUR family with similar
examples.

Greg

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:05:18 GMT
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Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
:
: >Read that again, Douglas, and tell me who was being rude.  When an Amigoid
: >posts his experiences, it is supposed to be taken as fact, right?  But when
: >I post my observations, I'm supposed to be insulted by the likes of Jack,
: >right?
:
:   Jerry, if I was being rude, it's only because I didn't recognize you for
: the authority that you think you are...
:

I don't think I'm an authority, Master Jack, but you obviously are.  Let's
all bow to Jack, the man who created Commodore just minutes after he gave
life to the earth and the creatures of the woods and the fishes of the sea...

:   -jack-
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:09:22 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?

The Amiga finally got it right.

>Who's doing things backwards here?

Only the MS-DOS users.  :-)

-- Gerald
From: zuckerma@phakt.usc.edu (David Zuckerman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:25:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1993Jan22.185508.7416@gw.wmich.edu> 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.213633.16890@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>> 
>> 	Apparantly Microsoft has bypassed IBM and has become the largest 
>> retailer of computer products (RE: CNN last night).
>> 
>	That is pretty vague.  IBM sells BILLIONS of dollars in hardware.
>Now, MS might sell more PC software than IBM now but I and I think many
>of us would consider hardware a computer product...

Clarification time: here's a quote from Friday's _Los Angeles Times_...

"In a powerful sign of the NASDAQ market's challenge to the NYSE's
dominance, NASDAQ-traded Microsoft now has passed NYSE-based IBM as the
world's most valuable high-tech commodity.

"Microsoft stock rose 1 1/8 to 89 1/2 while IBM fell 1/2 to 46 3/8.  At
those prices, the value of all Microsoft stock is $26.8 billion, while
the value of all IBM shares is $26.5 billion."

-Dave
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:32:16 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan20.042420.12560@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
 >
 >(goddamn Arkansas hick, activist wife, eco-freak veep, censorship bitch veep's
 >wife, a first kid who looks like my dog, AND A CAT AS FIRST PET! what's the
 >world coming to?)

Hmm, I strongly *like* cats! Much more than dogs. (As far as I remember the
same goes for DaveH. And I bet -MB- is a dog lover :-) I'm looking forward to
such people.

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From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:28:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>How much does it cost, you ask?
>For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
>gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.
>Not the ultimate answer, but it beats the hell out of killing our
>atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
>any day.
>
>Greg

	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm
sure with such strong opinions you would never get in a gas powered
vehicle. Say, how long can you drive an electric car with the radio
and heater and windshield wipers and defroster on? About 2 hours? 
Uphill? 45 minutes? What if you want visit Grandma in the next county,
guess you have to buy a second(gas) car for those special occasions.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:16:40 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Evan:
	If we're GOING to be stuck with parallel processing, let's at
LEAST do it with a Viking/SuperSPARC architecture.  :)

	Greg

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:31:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.214335.19072@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.010041.8201@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Needless to say, we all wish we could afford to buy the best of all
>>three?
>>-- 
>>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
>
>Yes, but there is only one that can run all MAC, PC and Amiga software.

This of course is very true, and should solve any remaining dilemma
about buying the A4000.

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Turf Wars (was Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:34:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1993Jan25.154219.670@cadsun.corp.mot.com> dusek@cadsun.corp.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>>I see that facts aren't the only things you ignore, Peter.  You also seem
>>to ignore all the Amigoid bashing of PC's and PC users that goes on here.
>
>	Gee Jerry, last time I checked this was an Amiga newsgroup,
>not an IBM newsgroup. So if you have any complaints about amiga people
>bashing IBMs, stuff it where the sun don't shine. If Amiga people bash
>the IBM in IBM newsgroups, than you can complain.

It seems to me that if you act like a moron in front of the guests in
your own house, it's still rude, and it still makes you a moron.

Mindless bashing is stupid, no matter where it occurs.

And also, keep in mind that the net is for *everyone*.  Remember that
people who've never heard of an Amiga are paying money to distribute
these groups (directly or indirectly), just as Amiga users are paying
to distribute groups they might not consider their "turf" (how
childish).  Everyone has an equal right to post on any newsgroup, so
long as the post is not off-topic, and by long tradition, almost
anything is on-topic in an .advocacy group.

> Its awefully rude to
>post into a computers newsgroup whining about the system/users of that
>newsgroups.

Not if it's .advocacy.  That's why this group was created, remember?

>>Really?  And the Amigoids who call PC users "sheep", "lemmings", "clowns",
>>etc. -- this isn't insulting?  Wake up and smell the sh*t you're shoveling,
>>man.
>
>	Gee Jerry, this is an Amiga newsgroup, we can insult IBM lemmings all
>we want here. Thats what this group is for.

True, but this behavior only reflects badly on other Amiga users.  If
a person can't defend his opinions with logic and facts, then *he* is
the one who shouldn't be posting.

Sure, this is .advocacy.  Whine and bash and flame all you want (makes
it interesting), but don't complain if someone who has their facts
straight nails you to the wall and makes you look like an idiot in
front of thousands of readers.  This is the risk you take on a freely
distributed network.

Paul

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UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:37:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1993Jan26.163715.22140
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1993Jan26.154107.23540@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>: >
>: >You are lying, Peter. 
>: >Jerry never said x86 is far superior to  680x0.
>:
>: Sorry, I can't back this up *in the moment*. But then, perhaps I again
>: will stuble across such a file. I'm sure I remember correctly.
>:
>
>No, Peter, you remember incorrectly.  I was always saying that although
>the 040 may be a bit faster overall (considering its floating-point speed),
>the two chips are close enough that there's no need to bash one or the other.
>How you read this as "the x86 is far superior to the 040" I'll never know.

But you have also said on many occasions that the 486 is faster on integer
than the 040.  While you may not intend to imply that the 486 is superior
to the 040, your tone often does.  So you say that people are reading too
much into your statements, but what do you expect?  Do you honestly believe
that the majority of the readers of this newsgroup (Amiga users) are going
to just sit back and say "Hey, Jerry has a point there, we really are a 
bunch of idiots for not realizing that the Clones are superior."?

>This is what gets me about this newsgroup.  I try to be unbiased, but all
>people can do is call me names and lie about my statements.

Pathetic whining like that will get you nowhere around here.  Just ask MB
and a few others about that...

> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>
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>| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
>|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
>+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:42:54 GMT
Organization: Commodore Germany

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Distribution: 
Organization: Commodore Germany
Keywords: 

In article <1k3s9rINNm4v@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <10583@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>
>In my opinion, CO2 is less of a problem than some of the many man-made
>gases.  CO2 can be dealt with.  Reforestation is an extremely important
>effort, in this wake.  The natural absorption of CO2 by plant life _CAN_
>take care of that.

Sounds hopeful. Yes, stop damaging the forests!

>: Well, put some photovoltaic photocells in the desert and use them to
>: separate water into hydrogen and oxygen, transport the hydrogen via
>: normal (gas) pipelines to the customers. It could be done *today*.
>
>And watch all of the hydrogen leak out of your pipelines because it's too
>light a gas.  Watch it pass through those pipes like a sieve.  :)

I read this already in another posting, was it also you? I fear you're
mixing it up with something different here: Helium. The difference is
that hydrogen comes as a H2 molecule under normal conditions, and this
molecule is already fairly big, it does not diffuse so easy through
solid material (like iron or steel). With helium, it's another story.
This comes in single atoms, and these are really small and escape from
nearly any inclosure. I worked with helium for cooling at uni and we had
good equipment, but also with this, there was a big loss factor, and
helium is definitely expensive. A H2 molecule is much bigger than a
He atom.

>It is easier to switch a single plant to solar/hydroelectric/hydrogen or
>whatever than it is to switch 1,000,000 automobiles from gasoline to
>whatever the newest fad is.  

Well, changing the *motor* of a car for hydrogen is a snap, no problem
at all, also little cost. The problem is the tank for this gas...

>Electric cars would enable plants to make
>use of the newest, most efficient technology, and allow the environment
>to immediately benefit.

But electric cars have the same problem with storage as hydrogen cars,
perhaps even worse.

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Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:16:09 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <1993Jan25.214335.19072@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
 miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
>
>Yes, but there is only one that can run all MAC, PC and Amiga software.
>

Speaking of which the Freelance writer we amiga lovers love to hate
(Phillip Robinson - for those of you who missed his 'Amiga is Dead' 
 column) wrote an article about Emulators in today's Boston Globe.

Amazingly he gets correct the fact that AMAX exists for the Amiga allowing
it to run Mac software. He seems to think however that to emulate a PC on
an Amiga you have to buy AMAX & a IBM Emulator for the Mac.
 
 Paraphrased from his words:
  1. Buy the Least Popular worst computer in the world.
  2. Buy a Mac Emulator and get something OK.
  3. Buy an IBM Emulator for the Mac.

  result:: A Passing excuse for the best computer an IBM.
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:28:14 GMT
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David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
: In article <jprad.727780165@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
: >
: >  Also, you can't move up several directories at once as you can do on the 
: >Amiga by using "///" to go up 3 levels.

: How about "CD ..\..\.." ?
Well, let's count the characters... 'cd ..\..\..' requires 11 characters, 
whereas '\\\' requires just three.. You make the call.

: Then again, when DOS users want to do a lot of filesystem navigation, they
: tend to whip out their pirate copy of XTree.  :-)

: >  Not bad for a game machine, eh? ;-)

: No.  Pity we don't have all of Dan's favourite mega-games available for it,
: hard disk installable, so we can zoom about in our /games directory to our
: heart's content...

: >  -jack-

: -- 
: David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
:  - PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night...
: Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia

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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:51:05 GMT

In <1jn3roINNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>	If we're GOING to be stuck with parallel processing, let's at
>LEAST do it with a Viking/SuperSPARC architecture.  :)

Judging by the SparcServer 10 and SparcStation 10 that I just
installed, I would have no hesitation in going with the high
end SPARC architectures.  You can almost count the number of
chips necessary to build a workstation on your hands, excluding
the memory.  It is sooooo clean.

Need some RAM?  Shove in another SIMM and you have another 16MB.
Need some more speed?  Shove in another MBUS card.  Simple and
cost effective.  Perfect for my desktop.

Ben
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:26:57 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan23.230415.7384@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, Charles C. Bundy (ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote:

: : Believe it, though ash byproduct is often a good fertillizer.
: News to me.  :)  Okay, ash poisons groundwater.  (Umm, depending on
: what kind of poison we're talking about.  At least with a volcano, you
: _KNOW_ not to drink the water.
You don't know not to drink it if the particles are too small to see...

: : "Rare"?  If you mean "lethal", yes eruptions do release nasty natural gas.
: Lots of natural gases are lethal.  No, I meant "rare" as in
: not-naturally-occurring.
not-naturally-occuring?  Or Not-Naturally-Occuring-In-These-Quantities?

: No, I'd use a broad brush to stereotype capitolism as hell.  It just
: so happens that the only things that enjoy hell are devils.

: I also wouldn't make the mistake of saying I know a better solution--I
: don't.  But the fact that I don't know a way to cure the ills of
: capitolist society doesn't mean I can't try to make what happens
: clearer to others.

However, it is the capitalistic system (though it is non-PC as hell to say
this) which has made this country great.  Capitalism is the system which 
the rest of the world is trying to switch to.  Without capitalism, you would
not have the Amigas, IBM's, Macs, etc... that you have today.

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This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
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we have soft cushy pillows. - Ian Kennedy (c.s.a.a)              / mind.
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
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