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From: cpw8034@venus.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924)
Subject: Re: High Density drive for the Amiga???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:20:00 GMT

>>	You should have read one of the pc.misc groups about a month ago,
>>   a couple of Amigadroids did just this.  So don't go claiming that Amiga
>>   owners are innocent of starting flame wars in other groups.
>>
>>							G.Greene
> 
>    This is true, and it is quite unfortunate.  However, it is getting a bit old
>to see the derogatory, and quite childish term 'Amigadroid' being used these
>days.  Such terms are usually found in high-school to pre-high-school
>surroundings, and do nothing to possibly ebb the unneeded hostility which tends
>to float around this newsgroup.
> 

For your sake, I hope that response was meant to be humorous in some way since
I can't possibly see anyone as being so pompous.  "unneeded hostility"?  
"quite childish term 'Amigadroid'"?  If you find 'amigadroid' deragatory,
what would you rather be labeled as?  Oh be still my pounding heart, I suppose
that being labeled anything just might be classified as unneeded hostility...

alan
From: peter@blade (Peter Korsten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3400/A4000 specs...
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:19:51 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
: In article <1992Sep5.154623.24426@ra.msstate.edu> ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Sunga Rettaf) writes:
: >
: >Is the information real or fake?  If real, is this the type of machine
: >that people are expecting?
: 
: [ Bogus drivel deleted ]
: 
: >Sunga Rettaf
:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
:  FATTER AGNUS  (Oh, please. At least be original.) 
: 
:    People, could we please cut this crap out? There are way too many people
: in .advocacy that actually BELIEVE this hooey, and then they pass it on to
: friends, who pass it on to friends, who distort a lie, and then Commodore
: gets blamed for doing something they never did in the first place.
:    IT'S GETTING OLD. IT'S NOT FUNNY ANYMORE. PLEASE STOP IT. 

Read October's edition of the German Amiga Magazin. *Then* come back.

					Peter.
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From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000T and Mac Quadra pricing
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:17:20 EDT
Reply-To: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

> 
> Hmm... nothing in there about the Quadra 900?   
> 
> }8)    -  Apple sux.
> 
> 
> 
> (FYI: For anyone who doesn't know, the Q900 was out for... oh, about 5 months
> then it was replaced by the Q950... nice, huh? Talk about support....)
> 
> -- 
The 950 costs the same as the 900 as far as I know.  The LCII costs the 
same as the LC.  What Apple has done, is to rather than keep a machine 
going when it can be improved and sold for the same amount, offers more 
bang to new customers.  They have a choice:  Try to make their products 
cost competitive (more and more) and alienate customers who purchased old 
machines, or loose customers because capability increases on other boxes, 
and prices fall.
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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:11:27 GMT

In article <-g5y4xc@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
>Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
>Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:35:19 GMT

[stuff deleted, continuity problems may be introduced...]

>
>BTW: considering Windows comes with just about every PC sold (don't ask me why..)
>it's pretty strange that your friends don't have originals!

Not all that strange.  Systems with no software are about $100-$300 cheaper 
than systems with "free" software.  So they spend the money on extra 
memory.  Some retailers (who are probably out of business now) used to fill 
your hard-drive full of software "free", but you got no instructions.  So I 
guess that software was truly "free".

>
>I, too, have not seen Ultima Underworld. Is it like the other Ultima games? I
>always hated Ultima games....
>
>Also: I see from those horrible message-followup headers that you are also
>using xrn. Have you figgered out how to block-delete with the damn thing yet? 
>I'm going to mash in the delete key if I keep holding it down like this...

Actually, I'm using a program called "Trumpet" on the Novell network file-
server.  I tried using "tin" and it's equivalent on my unix and vax accounts 
respectively, but they go way too sloooow when the lots of people are on the 
system.  It's a pity they don't run OS/2.0 over here, as a need to format a 
disk, or do something else at the same time quite often --> then it's time 
to find another terminal...

>
>Yeah, I've also heard that the AA stuff is going to be pretty cheap. Not rock-
>bottom CHEAP (let's face it, $85 is not a HELL of a lot for an Agnus....) but
>much better than the inflated A3000 prices.

Yeah, the A3000 is pretty expensive for the 32bit bus.  At the low-end, 
Commodore can compete (the A600 is pretty good value over here, $799 with 30/
40meg HD).  The A590 hard-drive, costs about A$600-A$700 for the 20meg 
version!


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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:28:26 GMT

ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie (Eddy Carroll) writes:

>>>Commodore show in Pasadena, and today was definitely
>>>more impressive than yesterday.

>>All we can do to help is buy an A4000, which I will be doing if I hear good
>>news about future employment this week...

>I certainly have my eye on one.

>>>As to how far along these things are, Eggebrecht
>>>says they're close to working silicon, but would not
>>>give any dates at all.  
>>
>>I find it hard to believe this incredible break from
>>the Amiga architecture is almost in working silicon
>>when it has taken so long for the AGA chipset

>This is the bit I really wanted to reply to. At the European DevCon in
>Milan this time last year, they had the first silicon versions of the AA
>chipset on display, and were showing 1280 x 512 HAM8 pics. They looked
>awesome. (The intervening year was most likely to get bugs out of the
>chipset and get the system software to support it fully written.)

>So I can quite believe that they've had a team beavering away for the past
>12 months (or longer) on this new chipset who are almost ready to show
>something for it.

>The only thing is, I hope people won't put off A4000 purchases in the hope
>that all this stuff is right around the corner. I'd say the chances of
>seeing any of this next generation stuff before 1994 are pretty close to
>zero.

The main reason AGA took so long is that C= never had any competition till SVGA
came out a couple of years ago.  Till then everything was sweet, so there was
no rush, and they just dillied around with ECS, which RJ was working on back in
the dark ages.  

Suddenly SVGA cards appeared with 1024x768x8 etc.  C= has no good design 
facilities, small development team etc.  They get ECS out the door.  Witness
the lack of 8 bit lores ECS screens.  Then they employ new
engineers/designers etc.  Start with a clean sheet design for the first of a 
new breed of chipsets.  AA/AGA is completed.  They show developers.  Start 
making the OS compatible.  Now WE have AGA.
C= will now continue on its way, and knock out some good, powerful, CHEAP 
graphics workstations.

>Eddy
>-- 
>Eddy Carroll      ----* Genuine MUD Wizard  | "You haven't lived until you've
>Internet: ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie             |  died in MUD!" -- Richard Bartle

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From: David_Braun@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (David Braun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:27:04 PST
Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA

In a message dated Sat  5 Sep 92 11:50, Mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-Bonn.mpg.de 
wrote:

 MB> Barrett) writes:
> Hell, in a nearby town, there are *two* stores that specialize in
>the Amiga on the same *street*!  I guess I can conclude that every street
>has 2 Amiga dealers, making the total... oh... seven hundred thousand?

 MB> Nonono... you must use the average dealer density per square foot.
 MB> As Carl Sagan would point out there must be billions and billions...

  I can think of five Amiga dealers in Vancouver BC off the top of my head.
Since the US has 10x the population of Canada that must mean that there are
10x as many Amiga dealers down there.  Using a variation of =MB= math this
would give the average American city roughly _50_ Amiga dealers.  Wow! 
Computer heaven!


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate <- (ha!)
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:13:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.155752.16733@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>>
>>>[virtual screens]
>>>
>>>OS/2 can do this with display drivers.
>>
>>Can the hardware provide the facilities for instantaneous
>>screen swapping though?
>>
>
>Yes.  A typical 1MB VGA can store 6 screens of 640x480x4 graphics.  Switching
>is instantaneous, via a "display start address" register.

Is there an OS/2 driver for this?

This closest thing I have seem like this the 'virtual desktop' program.

>>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
>|                            jerry@polygen.com                               |
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From: eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Lies can always outrun the truth (was Re: Patriot Missile Myth)
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:27:53 GMT


    <Much garbage deleted...>

    If you had bothered to watch the Congressional hearings at which
Postal appeared, you would have noticed three things:

    1)  That the primary purpose of the hearings was to kill the
	Strategic Defense Initiative, and no one with a good word for
	SDI was allowed to appear.

    2)  That the Israelis needed to justify their insistance that the
	Patriots in Isreal not be operated in automatic mode.

    3)  And that all the expert testimony was to the effect that you
	couldn't tell much about Patriot/Scud encounters without
	highspeed cameras (not available for any encounters in Saudia
	Arabia) or data from the Patriot batteries themselves.

    The real answer to the question of whether Patriot worked in
Saudia Arabia was answered in those hearings also.  They repaid all
the investment in them many times over before the first one was fired
in defense of anything, but they worked better than expected against
Scuds and Al Hussains.  The real question was how much better.

    The answer seems to be that a "close miss" could disrupt the
airflow around the missile enough to cause it to tumble and break up,
which could also happen in a sure kill OR without any Patriot
involvement (and did in some cases).  So the number of "we're sure the
Patriot caused the missle to break up cases" went way down, but in 90%
or so of these cases the Patriot caused the destruction.  Add press
slant and have fun.

--

					Robert I. Eachus

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:07:31 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep8.005152.10050@tronsbox.xei.com> bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
>Well, the PC version of Lemmings looked just as good and was
>hard-drive installable.  The SuperNintendo version looked better.

	The PC version didn't sound quite as good.  Even with soundcards, the
music was off and lots of the sounds that made the Lemmings so unique were
missing.  The SuperNintendo one could be as nice looking as you want, Lemmings
isn't fun with a joystick controller (even under CDTV), I wonder if you
could get it to work with the mouse from Mario Paint?  Anyways, in order to
start more rumors and PC bashing: A friend at Psygnosis told me they removed
the larger-Lemmings from Lemmings II (which should be out soon) because the
MS-DOS version couldn't handle them without becoming dog-slow.
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:09:31 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Sep6.140036.13856@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> In <mykes.0ddu@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >Real-world reply:
> >"Which one ray-traces faster?"
>
> DECStation 5000/240 ?
> SGI Crimson ?
>

But you don't always get what you pay for :)

> Regards,
> --
> Michael van Elst
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> Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
>                                 "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:44:31 GMT

In article <kehlet.06lr@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.051922.11991@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>> :CBM bankrupcy?, $21.9M Loss For 4Q, Stock Drops stock dropped $2.25, closing a
>> 
>> Not likely.  Look closer at what people are saying about it, and I
>> mean the financial analysts.  Don't make widespread claims unless
>> you're a little informed.  Being a little informed would probably rank
>> under reading the Wall Street Journal.  Where they tell you that the
>> numbers aren't everything.
>> 
>> Of course, telling MB that the numbers aren't everything will get you
>> nowhere fast.
>
>Well, take some rough figures:  CBM stocks are running around $12.5, right?

   Wrong.  The last time I checked (two days ago), the stock was trading at
$7.25/share on the NYSE.

>It is more than likely, that they will be bought by some other company --
>this is in fact a pretty healthy thing for companies of today and is not
>necessarily hostile.

   With so many big companies pretty heavily leveraged already, Commodore 
would have to show prospective companies that they have technologies being
developed in-house that would make it worth a large corporation's while to
invest in Commodore.  From what's been shown already, I do not think 
Commodore is sitting on any such technologies.

   As an example, someone mentioned that the AA chipset uses 1.6 micron CMOS
technology.  To put it bluntly, 1.6 micron CMOS sucks.  I looked through my
complete set of Intel databooks, and noticed that Intel was using 2.0 micron
technologies way back in *1978*, and was using 1.2 micron CMOS technologies
by 1983.  If 1.6 micron CMOS is the best technology that Commodore has
available to them in-house, you can forget about anyone ever buying them out.

>-- 
>     Jesper Kehlet, Compos Mentis Software Systems -- A Kind Of Magic
>
>        (uunet|pyramid|rutgers)!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet
>             cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet@cbmvax.commodore.com

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Non-Disclosure Releases (Limited)
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:18:33 GMT


   The following was pulled off of BIX by me on Friday evening. It should be
of use to some of the developers that haven't left csaa yet: <Grin>
 
 
==========================
amiga.cert/news.dev #101, from jwiede, 342 chars, Fri Sep 11 11:00:36 1992
--------------------------
TITLE: Press Releases...

There are six new messages in amiga.dev/news which are press releases for
the A4000, OS2.1, A600, A570, AmigaVision Professional and a general one
discussing what's being shown at WOA.

The following topics are no longer covered by your Non-Disclosure Agreements:

A4000, OS3.0, AA (AGA) Chipset, OS2.1, A600, A570


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From: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: I WAS RIGHT!!!!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 06:25:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Congratulations Mark! Now your batting .001!


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From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <gFyTqB7w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
>
>> What's so laughable?  The Mac is also one of the biggest music platforms
>> and the IBM clones aren't that far behind.
>
>The latest time I had some information IBM and Amiga was in the same 
>place, with Atari topping the list.

You may want to check again.
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Complete A4000/A600/A570 Press Release
Keywords: AA, Display Modes
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.000351.29096@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

[ ]
>
>	God, I hate normal VGA modes, there's never enough room on the desktop
>   for everything I want displayed.  Whether its OS/2 2.0 or WINOS2, I like
>   to have a 1024x768 screen resolution.  I'm using a Sony 1304 monitor by the
>   way and don't have any problems using it at that high a resolution.     

I'm using the exact same monitor. 1024x768 requires a magnifying glass. Do
you have several?
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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Subject: Re: Amiga system numbers...
From: <L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 13:30:45 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hey, where is your "VWWWWWWoOoooP"?

-----
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Unix for the masses, was Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:33:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.015931.14270@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) defecates:

<much deleted>

>   Ask any Amiga 3000 owner if the Productivity Interlaced mode flickers on
>their system.  All of them will say 'yes' (well, all of them that can see).
>The Productivity Interlaced mode is both 31Khz and interlaced, and it 
>flickers.

Funny, I have used the very mode that you describe and the flicker is no
worse than a Clone using 1024x768 interlaced.  Given the ridiculous aspect
ratio in that mode, not many folks would use it.  Also, there are few 
monitors that would actually be able to handle this display if it were
somehow deinterlaced.

Marc, if the Amiga could display 2048x2048 non-interlaced, you would be
asshole enough to complain that the 2048x4096 interlaced mode flickers.
Get a life dweeb.

>>What I'm a bit curious about though is the 24.62 Khz refresh rate... 
>>Is this good enough for a flicker free display??
>
>Flicker is totally independent of the horizontal frequency of the mode.
>Flicker is dependent on the vertical frequency of the mode.  For Productivity
>interlaced, the horizontal frequency is 31Khz, but the vertical frequency
>is 30Hz, so it flickers.  For Super72 on any Amiga (including the A4000),
>the horizontal frwequency is 24.62Khz, but the vertical frequency is 36Hz,
>so it also flickers.  The flicker is slightly less than for the normal NTSC
>mode, but still very noticable.

You dumbass, the vertical frequency is 60Hz interlaced.  The monitor that
I'm using is an SVGA that will do 56/60/70Hz non-interlaced and totally
pukes if a 30Hz interlaced signal is used (NTSC).  I just switched over and
set my screenmode to Productivity-Interlaced and the monitor may flicker,
but it is not due to your ASSumption.

>>I just can't remember having seen this refresh rate earlier, so could anybody
>>tell me if it's supported by most of the monitors out there?
>
>   Not all that many will support it.  Most mulitsyncs will not support it,
>as most can only handle frequencies of 31Khz and higher.  Commodore's 
>monitors and the occasional off-brand wide-band multisync are the only ones
>that will handle it.  VGA monitors will not handle it.  (My monitor supports
>it, which is why I can give you first-hand accounts about how bad the
>flicker is in this mode)

Unfortunately, most sites will not support the MB bullshit filters that are
now available.  Some of the more advanced sites support it, but most of
them cannot handle the overwhelming flow of bullshit.  My site does not 
support it, which is why I can give first-hand accounts about how bad the
bullshit is at this node.

>>Terje Marthinussen
>>terjem@stud.cs.uit.no

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
          ^
          |
Bullshit and Bitching Champion 4 Years Running!

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