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From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: tagi, kundalini, and AB's taciturnity
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:49:16 GMT
Organization: UB


	Tagi asked me to post AB's kundalini techniques.  Well, first off,
in true Theosophical form, she discouraged premature awakening of the force.
Exactly when would be appropriate, I don't know, but Theosophists seem to be
incredibly patient.  Which I am not.

	IF she ever explained how we're supposed to get the big bad serpent 
up and running, I haven't found it.  Then again, I have vague references to
about seven of her books, none of which promise to be light reading.  However,
I HAVE found many admonitions not to do various things, like use the power 
with any degree of self-interest, attempt to waken it "prematurely," focus
on one particular chakra in meditation, etc.  

	Z. Landsdowne wrote an interesting little compliation of AB's work 
on the topic, which I find roughly as useful as the Manhattan phone book when
it comes to awakening the serpent power.  Doubtless you are all now laughing  
 up your sleeves.  "The little misadept, unpurified, uncompassionate carnivore
occultaster!  Obviously the intentional blinds have befuddled the unworthy 
one slavering outside the precincts of the sacred ashram!"  Right on, baby.
Unworthy and slavering, that's me.  Especially before my morning caffeine.

	Sigh.  It's enough to make one go back to the Middle Pillar, or else
to crack open Avalon's _Serpent_Power_ and starting poking oneself in the
tummy.  But before we leave the topic, what the hell HAVE I found that's
worth posting?

	Well, there are these webs between the chakras that prevent the vril/
od/prana/chi from flowing.  Otherwise we might get clairvoyant before we've
reached the Forty-Ninth Evolution of the Root-Race past Atlantis with a
full Svastika Spiral on the Past Hemi-Incarnation.  Goodness knows we wouldn't
want THAT.  

	These webs are slowly, slowly loosened by purity and strict abstinence
from naughty thoughts -- except by folks like Crowley, who pierce the webs
and drown in their own adrenachrome and bad karma.  But we know better than 
they do, don't we, class?  Yes we DO.  

	Chakras can be opened or developed:  these are different processes.
Landsdowne defines a lot of spare terms without explaining any observable
difference.  At this point Rick goes back to Thermodynamics and lets his
chakras take care of themselves.

	Probably the best book to check out is _Esoteric_Healing_, by Bailey.
Other titles might be _The Rays and their Initiations_, _Initiation_Human_&
_Solar_, etc.  All by Alice Bailey.  Enjoy.  Tell me if any of it makes sense
before you start snoring from that inimitable Theosophic prose ... mellow
as opium-raving, but not quite as lucid ...

	All seriousness aside, the Theosophists are lovely people, and I'm
sure their work is useful to people less crass and self-serving than myself...
but I still don't think I'm going to renew my membership...

	If any of you have made sense of kundalini systems, I would love to 
hear about it.  Even if I have to get humble and work hard.

Luck
Rick
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Ouija bored
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:37:49 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

After reading so many lurid passages of purple prose on the Net, I finally
broke down and bought a ouija board. I figured that, even if it were completely
a product of the unconscious, at least it would be interesting to see what
unconsciousnesses had to say.

Needless to say, I was thoroughly let down. We couldn't get it to spell out
anyone's life history or tell us it was Beelzebub, we couldn't even get random
garbage, and we certainly aren't witnessing any intriguing possesion cases
among the participants. What are we doing wrong?

I should have saved my money. I could have almost covered my monthly dues for
AMORC with what it cost.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:28:47 GMT

In article <JOSHUA.92Nov22084718@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>In article <tmerante.0326@weird.miami.fl.us> tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony 
>Merante) writes:
>
>>              And I am eager to meet people of the same mind.  I also have
>>   been getting into past-life regression.
>
>the important question to ask when you get into something like this is this:
>'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past lives, or
>just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. how can one tell the dif-
>ference? well, the classic example is having memories of living in a place
>you do not consciously have any knowledge of, in a period that you are un-
>familiar with, doing research on that place and period, and coming up with
>some kind of confirmation. if you haven't done that, or if because records
>of that place and period are not extant, the honest classification of these
>'past-life regressions' is 'not proven'.
>
>josh

However, if you use the experience (memory or fantasy) to learn to get 
in touch with deeper or formerly hidden aspects of yourself, the
"objective reality" of the experience is pretty much irrelevant.

Is there something unhealthy about believing in fantasies?
Yes, there can be problems associated with that.  What if you do a
past-life regression, get some useful information, and say "I am
choosing to believe this now, and I feel that it is irrelevant
whether or not it is objectively verifiable."  I fail to see any
harm to yourself or to others in that.  I do see it as potentially
helping the experient.  You are your own best teacher & all that...

Just a thought or two.

:)


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Looking for a book...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:23:10 GMT

Does anyone out there know where I can find a copy of the 
Anarchists Cookbook? The most recent edition if possible?

Michael
-- 
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                 If it walks like a duck, it must be a duck.
                  If it barks like a dog, it must be a dog.
                  If it flies and bites, run the fuck away!
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: AFRICAN RELIGION Syncretism
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:35:00 +0000

Nice to know that shamanism is alive and well and living in voodoo.

Sounds like my sort of party :-)

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: slopoke ftp
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW
Organiztion: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:11:28 GMT


well, I have just reorganized the /pub/magick directory on
slopoke. it'll probably take john a day or two to remount it.

if anyone notices any gross mistakes, drop me a line.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Yet another definition
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:17:50 GMT


  this one may be too facetious for all us deep dark nd serious souls.
But it's clever, so here it is:

  Magic is sleight of hand.
  Magick is sleight of mind.

  (PS: Anyone have a source for this quote?) 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson)
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:35:44 GMT




>In article <tmerante.0326@weird.miami.fl.us> tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony 
>Merante) writes:
>>              And I am eager to meet people of the same mind.  I also have
>>   been getting into past-life regression.

joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>the important question to ask when you get into something like this is this:
>'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past lives, or
>just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. [rest of article deleted]

Is it really? Why not try to tolerate uncertainty and simply state
that the so called past-life regressions might be a way for some but
not all people to cope better with their current lives, leaving aside
the question of truthfulness, and emphazising the question of
helpfulness?

--Ceci
--
=====ceci@lysator.liu.se===========================================
"'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
			Malaclypse the Younger
===================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: LESSONS AVAIL.
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:26:51 GMT


In article <92323.210320DWL110@psuvm.psu.edu> <DWL110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

[a rather uninspired B1FF imitation]

I am trying to think of a tactfuly way to say this.

oh well. there isn't one.

fuck off eh?

josh



Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: alt.hypnotism and alt.oobe
Followup-To: alt.magick
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:50:55 GMT


enter the newsgroup <junk> and search for the string out-of-body
or hupnotism or whatever. if you find it, you can either read the
articles there or (the preferred method) write a friendly letter to

==>the news administrator at your site (usually postmaster@your.site)<==

asking him to set up that newsgroup. questions about what newsgroups are
available at your site are best directed to

==>the news administrator at your site (usually postmaster@your.site)<==,

not to the net at large.

have a day,
josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: More Definitions of Magic
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:27:51 GMT
Organization: California State University, Sacramento


   Thanks to all who have posted or emailed me definitions.  Here's
another for your/our collection:

     MAGIC is the strategy of animism.
         -- S. Reinach, *Orpheus: A Hisory of religions*

  (Note: "Animism: the belief that natural objects and phenomena possess
souls or consciousness")
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
Subject: Re: definitions of Magic
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:31:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.212749.24851@csus.edu> arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur 
Chandler) writes:

>     Hope that folks here can help me.  I'm putting together a collection
>   of definitions of magic -- not long essays, but one- or two sentence
>   distillations.  I'll post some of what I have here so that you/we can
>   comment on them. If you have some of your own, or some you've copied
>   down, I'd be obliged if you could post hem or email them to me with as
>   much bibliographic info as possible (but send 'em even if you don't
>   remember the source).

Magic is the art and science of causing changes in consciousness in 
accordance with will.

(I believe this was Dion Fortune's adaptation of Crowley's definition,
though I don't recall the specific source...)

-- John Michael Greer
   grimoire@u.washington.edu
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2005@lysator.liu.se>, ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson) writes...
> 
> 
> 
>>In article <tmerante.0326@weird.miami.fl.us> tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony 
>>Merante) writes:
>>>              And I am eager to meet people of the same mind.  I also have
>>>   been getting into past-life regression.
> 
>joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>the important question to ask when you get into something like this is this:
>>'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past lives, or
>>just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. [rest of article deleted]
> 
>Is it really? Why not try to tolerate uncertainty and simply state
>that the so called past-life regressions might be a way for some but
>not all people to cope better with their current lives, leaving aside
>the question of truthfulness, and emphazising the question of
>helpfulness?
> 
>--Ceci

I think the best response is to respond with exactly what you 
think.  The person chose "YOU" to tell, because they value "YOUR" 
credibility and responses.  They must trust your opinion to a 
certain degree to even be asking for it, so why change it to be 
what (you think) is more palatable?

If they want concurrence they'll choose another experiencer 
of past-lives.  If they want objective criticism they'll ask someone 
they know to be skeptical.  If they want something in-between, they'll 
ask someone who'll give a warm, fuzzy, helpful, non-threatening response.

If they hear something they didn't expect to hear, and it pisses 
them off, they still might learn something.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Women Vs Men
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:58:00 +0000

oispeggy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes..


[..lots about womes roles in mediaval religious life deleted..]

>These were exceptions, and they were often at odds with church
>or political authorities.  Also, they were still following a
>religion that did not allow them to fully participate in policy
>making.

Peggy: I want to say one thing very clearly, as an expression of a
position.

Firstly, a question.

What is the optimum role that you consider a medaiaeval woman could
have held, given that any normal healthy woman with an active sex
life could expect to be pregnant, or nursing a child, more or less
continuously from her mid-teens to her mid thirties?

Secondly a statement.

What irks me mostly about 'feminism' is not that I disagree that
women have in many senses been disadvantaged by mediaeval culture and
its descendants, but that there is always a veiled or implicit
assumption that 'male superiority' or 'Patriarchy' was some sort of
male organised conspiracy to suppress women and their natural rights.

I cannot agree with this. In most agrarian cultures men and women
work unceasingly. It so happens that because of the facts of
childbirth, women tend to be more based around the home, and less
active. I feel that culture reflects this: The shift to what
feminists see as 'male dominated' I think takes place at a time when
'civilization' itself - that is the change from the essentially
peasant farming traditions of the Celtic society, to the more Roman
pattern, with trade and merchanting becomeing significant.

In this milieu, women adapted to a different role, and although few
actually achieved active prominence, it is ridiculous to feel that
their influence was negligible. They worked through men - that's all.
They had more time to think maybe, whereas the men had more
opportunity to do. Histories of deeds emphasise men.

In particular history is littered with veiled references of eminent
men who actually achieved greatness with the assistnace of, or maybe
entirely because of, the able assistance of a wife or mistress.

Now all that doesn't mean that I defend the relics of that particular
life-style as any more 'natural' or 'right' than the hunter gatherer
or pre-civilized agrarian societies. Societies adapt to conditions
and select their mores from what is possible and seems desirable.

The fact that women now are _not_ tied to childbirth any more than
the choose to be is - in my mind - the significant change. This
*does* allow active participation in all walks of life, and the sort
of society that simply has never existed before.

So to summarise, I am all for change and a new order (provided it
isn't rammed down MY throat) - but please: I don't think it is
helpful (and I don't think you normally display this trend anyway, or
were even displaying it this timne!) for feminists to think in terms
of some vast male conspiracy.

I think it more constructive to think of it as a response to social
circumstance.

Leo
From: gpw@sandman.caltech.edu (Glenn Wyne)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Good book on herbalism
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:28:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

From a thread a while back-- I remember someone had asked for information
about books available pertaining to herbes and their uses (for magick,
rituals, and healing).   Interested parties are advised to read this book:

                     The Master Book of Herbalism
                      by Rev. Paul V. Beyerl

                     Phoenix Publishing Company
                      Custer, Washington

It is available at most every enlightened bookstore around here, and
presumably nationwide.   Share and enjoy!

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gpw@antares.caltech.edu    ||    gpw@cco.caltech.edu    ||   Glenn Wyne
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From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: More Definitions of Magic
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:12:51 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I once read a good definition of magick in a book called (I think)
_Alternative Realities_ by (I think) Lawrence Leshan.  (It's been six
or more years since I read it, so someone please correct me if they 
know what I'm talking about.)  He said there are four basic realities:
one in which everything is seperate (western materialistic reality), one
in which everything is connected (Nirvana, or eastern spiritual reality),
one in which things are seperate but all connected to an over-being (western
spiritual reality, or one in which it is possible to experience telepathy
or to pray for someone else) and one in which some things are connected
if one can build a connection between them.  This last reality is the one
where children play -- "you're the mommy and I'm the daddy and this doll
is our baby."  It's also the reality where magick exists, because once
you create a connection between two objects you can manipulate the one
object as if it were another one.  The author said all four realities are 
real, and most people spend some time in all of them.  It seemed like a 
good way of organizing things.

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
From: cigp07@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: TeX fonts
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:34:03 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <16NOV199222033436@rigel.tamu.edu>, spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
> Anyone know where I can get TeX fonts containing:
> 
> 1)  the Hebrew alphabet
> 2)  the symbols of the Zodiac
> 3)  that three-dots-in-a-pyramid symbol (in ASCII usually .`.)
> 
> ..I suspect they're somewhere on slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com, but I can't
> find them.  Any help would be appreciated.

Yeah, they are on slopoke. To reply completely out of order:

3) This can be found in files called 'hermetic.tar.Z' and 'hermetic.tfm'.
   You'll need both. Install those, and you should be OK. The .'. symbol is
   mapped to 'T' in the hermetic font.

2) These are also in the above font, but for some weird reason only about 5 of
   the glyphs have come thru' and are usuable. The astrological font I tend to
   use is called 'astrosym' and can be found on tex.ac.uk. It supports three 
   types of astrological font including calligraphic, bold and thin. Also has
   the glyphs of the planets.

1) The hebrew alphabet is also included included in 'hermetic', but doesn't
   appear to support the finals. Therefore, look on archie for a font called
   'hclassic' which is the standard Classical Hebrew font ( the one you tend
    to see in occult works ) and supports the finals. 

> SubGenius
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From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: kundalini, martial arts, Alice Bailey
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:59:52 GMT
Organization: UB

hi hi hi there!

	Query for anybody who works with kundalini a lot: do you find
Alice Bailey -style methods and z.Landsdowne methods useful --
if so with what other methods do they mesh best?

	Has anybody successfully combined esoteric martial arts
(particularly Snake Kung Fu) and magick? If so, how?
Thanks
Luck
Rick
From: CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: tagi, kundalini, and AB's taciturnity
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:18:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Respecting Tagi's wishes...and a little common sense...it is not a good idea
to get kundala if your not ready for it...it could be kind of dangerous...
however i seem to remember someone telling me something about free will and
not being held back by silly regulations and fear...

You're pretty much correct on the web between the chakra's bit. For those
that can understand the following..i'll give a quick rundown...

After the egg is planted, (note: kundala is usually at first given to you
by someone else..and it's in a region where you don't want anyone really
touching you..) it comes out at the small of the back, and rises up.  When you
hear these stories about people's eyes rolling back to their head and having
other symptoms...it is from the rising of kundala. so the serpent rises...
Once kundala is "born" i guess, it will keep coming up ...not as vigorously
though..and then you can "tap into it" when the event warrants itself.

Before it is given, it would be nice if you or your student was balanced..
As in the chakra's are where they should be, no blocks, etc and so on.  Once
this is done you can begin to "punch holes" in the 3 magor areas..
then you kind of...how to put this...let's say you have all these lines
running down your body..if you push all these lines together...fire comes up.
Hence the serpent rises...I would find it odd if someone actually did manage
to give themselves kundala that it would be very strong...but one never does
know...

I suppose the above isn't exactly clear...well, use your imagination a
little....if you want something...work for it...a magician doesn't gain in
power if he does not practice...usually anyway...
                    ok later, gersha.

                                   smitty
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
Subject: Re: LESSONS AVAIL.
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:55:29 GMT

In article <JOSHUA.92Nov18212651@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>In article <92323.210320DWL110@psuvm.psu.edu> <DWL110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>[a rather uninspired B1FF imitation]
>
>I am trying to think of a tactful way to say this.
>
>oh well. there isn't one.
>
>fuck off eh?
>
>josh

More than tactful, downright kind.
-- 

shrdlu@rowan.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
Work Phone - (310) 812-1660 or (310) 812-1570
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:05:22 EST
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: kundalini, martial arts, Alice Bailey


Use vibration to create needed results.. the movements can be used to create
vibration, magick is like a channel for the vibration to travel. there are
those that say that is how magick works...through vibration, frequency etc..

I don't do the particular style you mentioned...but the concept is still
the same.
                              enough said.
                                         smitty.
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