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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: EXODUS, et al.
Keywords: forms, music
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:38:05 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1339@hydra.bucknell.edu> cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) writes:


>	I am a middle-belt student of TKD, and during my last class, I was
>introduced to the form called Exodus.  It's done to music, and I beleive it's
>supposed to be a black belt form.  My questions are these:
>	1) What do you think of forms done to music?

Personally I wouldn't like a form done to music, as it puts someone else's
timing on your body.  Using the principle of the timing is ok, but each
person's body is different and thus the music would constrain the exact timing.
Also, it may constrain experimentation with the form, and IMHO you can 
learn a lot about a form from changing the timing from time to time.

>	2) Does anyone know for sure what level it's supposed to be, or if it's
>just a form that anyone can learn?  (i.e., I think that brown belts must
>perform it to music in order to pass to black, making it a black belt form.)
>	3) What other forms are you aware of that are done to music?
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From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 12:22:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.182812.27132@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>I caught this off another newsgroup, it sure is one way to make a point!
>
>      Sometimes, as the CIA knows, killing has to be done at close
>      range.  For this purpose, a valuable weapon is the ice pick with a
>      blood arrester attached.  The blood arrester is a cloth wrapped
>      near the tip of the ice pick.  When the pick is shoved into the
>      victim, the spurting blood is absorbed by the blood arrester.
>      People who see the victim fall will probably think he has had a
>      heart attack.  While the onlookers try to help the victim, the
>      assassin uses this valuable ten or fifteen seconds to escape
>      unnoticed.
Wouldnt people notice the ice pick sticking out of the guys head?

Oh, he's one of those guys born with one attached, nevermind!

From: jat@hpcuhb.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:45:47 GMT
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
> cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) writes:
> > 2) When sparring, what goes through your head?
> 
> 	Ideally, "nothing".

But in reality, "pain".

Joe
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: grex@world.std.com (Mark J Urbin)
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:07:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.165126.890@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
>it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
>such a vehicle might have.
>Volvos, well known for being able to take a punch, I have been in
>2 volvo auto accidents as a passenger, one a roll over, the other
>a t-bone, I spilled my orange soda all over me in the roll over and
>got a really nasty headache in the t-bone.
   Ugly as all get out, but a proven deer killing machine.  A deer decided
to commit sucide using my wife's volvo last year.  The critter got tossed
from the left hand lane to the right shoulder and landed DOA.  We drove away
from it.  Of course the headlights were trashed, along with the grill, and I
had to tie down the hood...Still, no structural damage to the car or the
engine.  Perhaps Andy V. should be looking at Volvo's. :->
  

   


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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Fashionable Breaking
Keywords: Here he goes again
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:24:28 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Stephen (me) wrote: so I laughed all these years at folk wearing
Black Belt Club patches and now I are one :-(

 That problem may have been solved, I was awarded my instructors patch
 last Sat.  This is an upgrade from "non qualified instructor", (two
 years ago I was both (in USTU speak) a non qualified instructor and
 referee (truer words never spoken) but have finally managed to
 drop the modifier from both.  Anywho the instructor patch goes where
 the BB club patch goes so maybe I don't have to have one.  So now I
 think what I am aspiring to is National Referee and Certified Instructor
 both years away.

Richard Drury and a host of others write: you iron your uniform *gasp*
 Yeppers, I sure do, Century uniforms do wrinkle badly and I don't own
 a dryer (My family is "green").  I didn't used to iron, but now I do,
 the difference is trying to be an example, positive male role model
 all that stuff.  My 7 yr old irons his uniform as well, which is a
 good life skill to learn young.  But I certainly do not think
 ironing makes me a better Martial Artist or what.  I never comment
 on another students uniform unless it is excessively dirty or
 wrinkled.

Some poster writes about breaking *again*:
  ***  ALL breakers should give serious thought to eye protection ***

 I feel there are some benefits to breaking practice, but they
 do not warrant destruction of old growth timber.  I really think
 you will find placing a 6" x 6" board* over an aluminum can is
 a great way to practice hand techniques.  I also enjoy breaking
 dry sticks gathered in the woods, but you may want to cover them
 with a glove since you are hitting such a small area.  I also endorse
 the 2 piece plastic beige practice boards.  I also like to break pallet
 wood.

 All of that I have posted previously here are some new breaking
 experiments I would challenge you to try:

 Speed break, the hanging aluminum can.  You think you have a
 good speed break, try hanging a can from its pop top, now try
 your speed break, biggest dint wins.  *** Great for MA parties ***

 Back to dry pine sticks, in a pine forest some of the trees die
 young and thin, try a 3' piece about 2" diameter to start, place
 it up against a wall at an angle, now use it to practice your
 side kick- knee break.

* DO NOT forget the board, a RMA poster who did e-mailed me with a
story about getting can shards through the hand *
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:03:35 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

One thing which no-one seems to have mentioned is guards. I can't understand
the guards on japanese weapons. They seem to offer absolutely minimal
protection. European weapons seem (to me) to be vastly superior in this
respect. Then again I know nothing...

Ollie...
From: greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Keywords: sparring, combinations
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:30:43 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I was wondering if people would post/email me their favorite sparring
combinations?  I have a tournament coming up next month and I'm looking
for some new and interesting combinations.  

Someone mentioned in another thread that they just stood in one place and
waited.  I thought that was funny (and will probably try it) but I need 
something for when I do move.  

This will be my first "official" tournament so anything will be appreciated.

-Greg
 greg@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Keywords: stretching, sparring
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 14:44:17 GMT

In article <1299@hydra.bucknell.edu> cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) writes:
>
>	 A couple of quick questions I'd like some opinions on:
>1)
>	In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street 
>somewhere, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before and during 
>training, how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be 
>as high,
>and the danger of a sprain or tear is much higher.  How do you cope?  
>Any special ideas out there?

Yea, snap kicks to the stomache would be my first line of defense.  Get in
a nice approximation of a boxer's stance, and then fake a punch, kick him
in the solar-plexus.  Run! 

>2)
>	When sparring, what goes through your head?
>
>	I wanted to leave that last one general, so as not to "guide" 
>your answers at all.  ("What goes through my head?  The sensei's foot!" :-)

Hum, generally I fight three or four people regularly.

1) Good fighter, great fists. Thought: "Come on in, wait, wait ..."
   He always charges and tries to punch my lights out.  I outweigh him
   by 20 pounds and patiently spar until he decides to charge, then I
   punch him in the forehead (don't want to blacken his eye).

2) great moves, but totally defensive. Thought: "Shit, how do I get through
   his defense. wait, wait ... charge, umfff!"

3) bad fighter, good at backing up. Thought: "Come back here, hey quit
   running away!"

Seriously though, I have spooked some belts in our school by just standing
perfectly still in my stance and waiting for them.  I usually do this when
I want to try a particular move, like jumping spinning defensive back kick.
Some people freak when you just wait.  One guy started yelling at me. :)

Finally, I tend to blank out for the most part.  I don't remember too much
about the fight. How am I supposed to learn? :)
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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: How to choose a Martial Art discipline?
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:51:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr10.173902.24633@bnr.ca> naldrett@bcarh893.bnr.ca (Steve Naldrett) writes:
>> 
mega stuff deleted

>> Hmmm...the next time you see an aikido-ka do shiho-nage, visualize what his
>> *sword* is doing (yes, this was originally a kenjutsu technique) before
>> concluding that he's "not hurting opponent" ;-). Or, for that matter,
>> think of some of the nastier possible variations of irimi-nage (broken
>> necks tend to shorten classes dramatically).
>> 
>
>I'm aware of the kenjutsu origins of some aikido techniques, but
>if the *intent* is to apply it without the sword, and not hurt the
>opponent, isn't that still considered soft?  I'll concede the point
>on the rest.
>

I interpret soft as not *having* to hurt the opponent. 
The Aikidoist uses only as much force as is needed in the situation.
In the sad situation that there is no choice but to maim or even kill,
he should be quite prepared to do just that.

							John F Sasso


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From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:21:24 GMT
 <1992Apr13.234542.21579@leland.Stanford.EDU><sgfapINNln4@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
> This, along with several other recent articles, gives me an idea for an
> amendment to the posting guidelines for this group which I believe could
> greatly increase the quality of discussion.
> 
> The idea is this:  no one will be permitted to write declarative sentences 
> about any art unless they have personally trained in it for at least a
> month.
> 
> Comments?

	Even a month seems a little short. But I guess it's better
than nothing.

	How about when someone makes a boneheaded declaration about an art,
it'll be perfectly acceptable for other readers to challenge their
credentials for making a statement about another art?
	Things which you have read in a book somewhere, or last
month's lead article in "Black Belt" are kind of marginal credentials
for making declarations. Sparring non Dan ranked guys from other
styles is also kind of marginal for making generalizations. Even
sparring dan ranked students might still be fishy, depending on the
school/organization awarding the rank.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
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From: greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Keywords: stretching, sparring
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:21:11 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

My two cents:

(1)  Evaluate the situation.  If it could be life threatening then I wouldn't
     be thinking about pulling muscles....or punches.  I wouldn't be thinking
     about high kicks or anything fancy.  If it's going to be me or him, I'd
     sooner it be him even if I have to punch and run.  I'm a pretty big guy
     but a "real" fight would still scare me so I wouldn't be trying anything
     that would leave me open.

     If I was going to use a kick, it would be waist or lower.  I would 
     probably use me feet as more of a distraction I guess.



(2)  If I know the person I'm sparring I think of their best move (or favorite
     move/combination) and try to avoid it.
     If I don't know the person then I'm looking for weaknesses.

-Greg
 greg@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Posting guidelines
Date: 15 Apr 1992 05:35:21 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr13.234542.21579@leland.Stanford.EDU> sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger) writes:
>Judo is not a martial art.  It is a sport.  
[blah, blah, blah...]

>Judo is not adequate training for serious combat because you don't
>practice either delivering or dealing with the really lethal stuff. 
[blah, blah, blah...]

>Aikido has many of the same strengths and weaknesses vis a vis combat 
>preparation; however, you are required to have a much better knowledge
>of anatomy.  VERY useful.  I understand that they 
[blah, blah, blah...]


This, along with several other recent articles, gives me an idea for an
amendment to the posting guidelines for this group which I believe could
greatly increase the quality of discussion.

The idea is this:  no one will be permitted to write declarative sentences 
about any art unless they have personally trained in it for at least a
month.

Comments?
From: jquarant@mipos3.intel.com (James R. Quaranta Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:32:23 GMT
Reply-To: jquarant@mipos3.intel.com (James R. Quaranta Jr.)
Organization: Microprocessor Component Group, Intel Corp., Santa Clara, CA


In article <87pf02Ob0fqO01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>
>1.  The most effective areas to aim your kick is the solar plexus, and the
>ribs.  In addition you can also attack the opponent's leg by aiming at the thigh, about 1 foot above the knee on the side.  It's not practical to attack the front of the knee (unless the opponent keeps his knees locked, which is
>very unlikely).  Now, about not having time to stretch before a real fight, 
>if you aim at those points that I mention above, you'll find that you do not
>have to stretch as much.  In addition, why do you think your master makes you
>stretch every day?  If you spend about 30 minutes each day for stretching, 
>believe me, in roughly 3 - 5 years, you do not need to do any more stretching.
>
>2.  What should go through one's mind while sparring?  Nothing should go
>through your mind while sparring.  You are supposed to pay attention to 
>your opponent.  Look at your opponent in the eyes, not at his feet nor the 
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>center of his body.  Before your opponent attack you, he will glance at the 
>point that he is aiming at.  You can verify this for yourself.

Well, your opponent can use his eyes to feint, as well.  The center of
mass does not lie.  I prefer to gaze at the center of mass and let my
peripheral vision catch movements.

JQ

jquarant@mipos3.intel.com


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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: "Advanced" Kicks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:35:38 -0500

Oh dear, I seem to have started a terminology war.  Well, I used
the term "'advanced' kicks" to mean jumping and spinning kicks; kicks
that are more difficult to learn and do than simple front, roundhouse,
and side kicks.  I put "advanced" in quotation marks to show that 
many people would disagree with its usage (how right I was!).  Oh,
by the way, one poster said the most advanced kick is a front kick.
Please tell that to my instructor, ok?  It's my favorite kick and
since I have a lot of weight to back it up, I can knock most people
to the ground with it, but my instructor keeps making me practice
jump back spin!  I'd much rather do 1000 front kicks (and yes I've
done that before; actually I did 1000 off each leg, in a Muscular
Dystrophy Kickathon a few years ago).

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: liblit@cs.psu.edu (Benjamin R. Liblit)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:19:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Apr8.162452.25948@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>
> Anyone else ever hear of this jumping up and down on the heels?

First time I took a groin shot, I didn't jump up and down on my heels.
My instructor grabbed around my ribcage from behind and *bounced* me!
Guess that's more or less the same thing....

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cah@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:16:21 GMT

In article <MARY.92Apr8101508@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.165126.890@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>[snip]
>   OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
>   it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
>   such a vehicle might have.
>[snip]
>I have a pretty good MA vehicle...a 1985 Toyota Tercel hatchback.  
>Runs great, is fast and agile enough for Boston driving, has low 
>mileage, has a large (but entirely cosmetic) dent in one side, 
>carries about 1 inch of road-dirt, and is totally unobtrusive.  
>[snip]

I must concur, although with slight differences.  We seem to favor
Hondas -- small, not flashy, maneuverable.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:28:36 GMT

schmburg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Schomburg ) writes:

> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
> 
> >traditional in Japan.  He also said that only cadavers were clothed
> >the other way. Guess how the subject came up.  Yep, for perhaps the
> >only time in my life, I was wearing my gi right over left and he
> >spied me out.  Anyone else heard of this alleged tradition?
> 
> 	I always thought that the traditional left-over-right style of 
> wearing the gi was so that Mr. Samurai didn't get his sword caught in
> the flap as he was drawing it.  One mishap like this could end a promising
> career in a hurry!

Well, given that the Japanese are eminently practical people, this
seems like a good reason to dress only cadavers right-over-left.  And
if someone were to make a mistake, then the problem would be
self-correcting as soon as he needed to draw his sword!  :-)
schmburg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Schomburg ) writes:

> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
> 
> >traditional in Japan.  He also said that only cadavers were clothed
> >the other way. Guess how the subject came up.  Yep, for perhaps the
> >only time in my life, I was wearing my gi right over left and he
> >spied me out.  Anyone else heard of this alleged tradition?
> 
> 	I always thought that the traditional left-over-right style of 
> wearing the gi was so that Mr. Samurai didn't get his sword caught in
> the flap as he was drawing it.  One mishap like this could end a promising
> career in a hurry!

Well, given that the Japanese are eminently practical people, this
seems like a good reason to dress only cadavers right-over-left.  And
if someone were to make a mistake, then the problem would be
self-correcting as soon as he needed to draw his sword!  :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:37:16 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
 <1992Apr9.194323.3244@craycos.com>
	<92100.225131JXT109@psuvm.psu.edu>

JXT109@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennie) writes:
> Think about this... there are between 750-850 Isshinryu schools in the U.S.  I
> *really* doubt there are 750-850 sixth degree black belts out there, especially
> who teach white belts as well as black. [Okay, I'm shooting completely in the
> dark on this one... and donning flame-proof fuschia Meikdo-gi with purple
> dragons airbrushed on the back and a patch that covers my entire front :-)]

	Hey, don't forget your stone washed, acid streaked,
bullet-holed, sanded-down, rhinestone covered black belt!!

> Again, I always took the above as a given.  Some people in my school have
> been razzing me some, because I have gone back and spent quite a lot of time
> on our first kata... they think I'm just trying to boost my ego or show up the
> white belts or something.

	Some folks spend their entire lives polishing only 2 or 3
forms.
	Fists are pretty much a common denominator among different
styles (aside from slight differences), and after 6 years of
(admittedly spotty) training, I was in the dojo last night, looking at
my fists, feeling my fists and saying to myself "Sheesh, these are no
good..."

>  In fact, it was a real ego-blower when I looked at
> it more critically.

	Yeah, my ego only gets big when I stop paying attention to the
bizillions and bizillions of mistakes that I constantly make.

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