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From: doug@cdc.hp.com (Doug Sojourner)
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:18:11 GMT
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Lee Crocker (leecr@microsoft.com) wrote:
:In article <C02yHt.B42@news.dtc.hp.com> dsojourner@cdc.hp.com writes:
:>cast one vote for a Green SF fan (definately NOT Libertarian).
:
:There's nothing incompatible about environmental concern and
:Libertarianism.  

But Green is not the same as "environmental concern".  I suppose it
could be considered a particular kind of environmental concern, which
is linked with a concern for social justice, grass roots democracy,
non-violence, and a number of other political attitudes.  If you get
the alt groups, I suggest you look at the recently created
alt.politics.greens for more information (as well as instructions for
preparing mustard greens).  If you wish to discuss this with me
further, let's do it by mail, rather than bogging down a science
fiction discussion with politics.

Doug Sojourner

dsojourner@cdc.hp.com
From: S4BIASI@imerj.BITNET ("R.S. de Biasi")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Silly time travel stories
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:52:09 GMT

One of my favorite is "Nightmare in Time", by Fredric Brown,
published in _The Dude_ (1961) and reprinted in
_The Best of Sci-fi 2_ (Dell, 1964).
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From: dagolden@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Alexandre Golden)
Subject: Re: Ender: The Movie
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:50:20 GMT

In article <hoahosth.64.724432565@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.181253.5742@pixel.kodak.com> john@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (John Hall) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.160009.8188@ugle.unit.no> leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif 
>Magnar Kj|nn|y) writes:>>...
>>>Oh, gods.  Is it going to happen?  A movie version of _Ender's Game_?
>>>will.  Please, please, please.  If a miracle *does* happen, this could
>>>get really good.  ...
>>It'll take a miracle.
>>Remember _Nightfall_.  Remember _Enemy Mine_.  Remember _Dune_.
>>Don't get your hopes up.
>
>Well, since "Ender's Game" is one of my all-time favourites of sf, I really 
>want to see what a movie would be like. But the point is taken. I really 
>wanted to see "Highlander II" as well. (I still can't get over that - the 
>way they completely ignored large proportions of the first movie's plot). 
>Anyway (stepping off soapbox), what I want to know is whether they will get 
>away with portraying Ender properly - ie. as around 8-12 years old (and if 
>they get McCauley Culkin to play him I'm going to kill myself). 

He's fairly high in the age range, but I propose the "John Connor" from
T2.  (Eddie Furlong or some such).  Given the character he played in T2,
people would be much more able to accept him as a killer rather than your
average "cute" child actor.


-- 
David A. Golden '95           (dagolden@phoenix.princeton.edu)
Princeton University
From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: SF Stories that forshadow the break down of eastern Europe
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:04:40 GMT
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson) writes:

> "Orion Shall Rise", by ????
> 
Poul Anderson


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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: RE: VILLAGE OF THE DAMMNE
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:45:00 GMT
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Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

-> and, by all accounts, made a _much_ better film the second time
-> around.

Thanks.  I'll have to rent it sometime then.

J`

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Oathblinded by Mercedes Lackey?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:58:39 GMT

chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton):
>- I haven't heard of any others in the Valdemar universe (apart from the
>continuing 'Mage Winds' set, and sometime 'The Black Gryphon', about the
>ancient Mage Wars).

Shades of the Deryni and the Herald-Mage:  Another trilogy to be set
in the past, so we'll know in advance that the protagonist is toast.

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From: kerry@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (Kerry Lee)
Subject: Re: Where is list of sf references to AI ?
Organization: Debug Computer Services, Calgary, Alberta
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:25:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.161911.1059@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
>A l-o-n-g time ago (a year or three, certainly before the r.a.sf split),
>someone posted a list of sf references to intelligent machines.  This was
>refined and improved by contributions from the net. 
>
>Has this been archived anywhere?  If so, can someone point me to the archive?
>
>Send the list itself to me by e-mail only as a last resort (I can accept
>larger-than-normal mail messages, but some of the machines through which mail
>passes to me can't). 
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
>Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
>Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
Me too.  I've got an VERY early version of this list(first or second)
and would like to see the end result.  Who knows, if nobody has it or
knows where to get it I could re-type it(maybe not:)

Kerry






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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David GUtierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: SF Stories that forshadow the break down of eastern Europe
Date: 24 Dec 1992 08:37:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

I haven't read it, but Norman Spinrad's novel "Russian Spring" (published last
year) is supposed to deal with this subject. The Soviet Union fell between the
time he finished the book and the time it was published.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard

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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
From: CDOMS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: SF Story Index
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:03:24 GMT


{
I have an old "Science Fiction Story Index 1950-1968" by Frederick
Siemon, published by the American Library Association.  This guide has
been very useful.  What I would like to know is there any other index
"out there" that I could purchase to suplement or compliement this 
work.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

Carol Doms
University of Missouri-Kansas City
Cdoms@umkcvax1
cdoms@vax1.umkc.edu
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From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: Silly time travel stories
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:41:05 GMT

In article <9212230952.AA06475@rutgers.edu> S4BIASI@imerj.BITNET ("R.S. de Biasi") writes:
>One of my favorite is "Nightmare in Time", by Fredric Brown,
>published in _The Dude_ (1961) and reprinted in
>_The Best of Sci-fi 2_ (Dell, 1964).

I always enjoyed the _Enchanter_ series by L. Sprague DeCamp.  There is
an excellent collection entitled _The Compleat Comptlete Enchanter_.

	-Phil
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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Subject: Re: Looking for Another Day, Another Dungeon, by Robert Costniuk
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:52:09 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER DUNGEON.  Book One of Cups and Sorcery.  By Greg
Costikyan (note spelling).  Tor, 1990; ISBN 0-812-50140-3; $3.95.

Books two and three of Cups and Sorcery are under contract and will be
along in a while.  After turning in ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER DUNGEON, Greg
went off and wrote a novel that was serialized on Prodigy (!), BY THE
SWORD, which we'll be doing in hardcover next year.

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From: leecr@microsoft.com (Lee Crocker)
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:57:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <C02yHt.B42@news.dtc.hp.com> dsojourner@cdc.hp.com writes:
>cast one vote for a Green SF fan (definately NOT Libertarian).

There's nothing incompatible about environmental concern and
Libertarianism.  Efficient use of resources is, after all, both
financially responsible and ecologically responsible.  I am a
vegetarian, and more would be if it weren't for the government
subsidizing the meat industries with water and cash.  Most paper
would be made with ecologically efficient hemp instead of Birch
if it were legal to grow in the US.  Lands privately owned by
logging companies are much better cared-for than public lands
because ownership creates pride and raises value.  People rarely
pollute their own land--they only pollute public land because the
government lets them get away with it.  If all land were privately
owned, polluters would have to worry about lawsuits.

Libertarians want a clean earth too.
-- 
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leecr@microsoft.com   | Libertarian Party  1-800-682-1776
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From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine)
Subject: Re: SF Stories that forshadow the break down of eastern Europe
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:21:41 GMT

In article <22122308513407@vms2.macc.wisc.edu> PHKAVENY@MACC.WISC.EDU (Philip E. Kaveny) writes:
>
>	I am not sure if this is the proper way to post this question, but what
>the heck. Does anyone out there know of any SF Stories that foreshadow the break
>down or up of Soviet Eastern Europe.

Not off the top of my head.  But Roger MacBride Allen told a funny story a few years
back about how he and his brother(?) were working on a story about the fall of the
Berlin Wall when events overtook them.  They'd done a great deal of research and were
working on the story when the East Germans revolted and the Wall was torn down.
Roger and his brother supposedly screamed at the TV something like "Not yet!"

-- 
Chuck Divine
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: Star Trek sequel?
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:34:10 GMT

In article <9212230206.AA00369@rutgers.edu> DCHANG@uhccmvs.BITNET (Doreen Chang) writes:
>2.12.22.92.16.02.HST.
>
>I was casually kicked back on the living room couch when an ad flashed across
>Fox, something about a Star Trek movie coming out this January.  This was the
>first (and last) I'd heard about this?  Has anyone heard any details?  Can
>anyone confirm or deny this possibility?  Is this the rumored attempt to bring
>the two crews together finally on celluloid?  Will Spock attend?  I'm curious;
>I'd rather be grateful for info.
>                                                          dc
>P.S.  Mele Kalikimaka e ka Hauoli Makahiki Hou

If yer talkin' 'bout "Depp Space 9", which airs this January, it ain't a movie.
It's ANOTHER Star Trek SERIES... su7pposedly shows on Jan 7 (check yer listings)


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Subject: Re: Cinefex in UK? 
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:01:22 +0000

In article <1992Dec23.135435.19288@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> G.Coulter@Daresbury.AC.UK writes:

>I am very  interested in special  effect in motion pictures and have
>heard of a magazine  called Cinefex, that is all about  this sort of
>thing. Can someone out there please let me know where I can get this
>from in the UK or maybe  the address of the publisher so  that I can
>write  to  then and  maybe get  copies posted to me  via  airmail or 
>something.
>
>Thanks for Anyhelp ... -Gary-
>

You should have no problem getting Cinefex from 'Forbidden Planet' in New
Oxford St, London, they seem to always have a few different issues in
stock. DirEnq should be able to give u their Tel' No. and I believe they 
do MO. Hope this helps

Dave...
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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: "moon 44" (was re: anothe
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:32:38 EST

Howdy Markus!

It seems the killing's been done TO me, rather than BY me... Ok,
partially you're right. BTW, there're quite a lot of the "good" guys on
this net who liked the movie, as opposed to you, imperial
storm-troopers...(g).

I don't say it wasn't cliche-ridden, but so was Alien 3, & they spent 30
(50?) millions bucks to get the same shit!

As to the musclemen, the physical structure is not required to push the
buttons, but to withstand the sudden & enormous changes in the G
pressure within the helicopter. And they DIDN'T know ahead that the
their life would depend on the geeks! Besides, how many times did you
meet a macho-idiot who behaved logically when it came to his superior
male pride? Oh, & those CGA graphics - you think that the companies are
gonna spend more money in the future on equipment supposed to ensure the
safety of their employees than they do NOW? Think again...

Outland indeed was a much better movie - I drew a paralell only between
the atmosphere & some visual characteristics. About those CRT terminals
- haven't you noticed that ALL s/f movies (Alien, SW, etc) operate with
modems of 300 baud...? I was even thinking about how to reproduce it in
my machine (386 sx), but don;t really know. Can you help?

Oh, & what DOES happen to the human body in sudden vacum? I know they
don't explode, but what do they do?
ATTENTION: I'm NOT contesting your words - just genuinely interested in
the subject.

Take care (heavy breathing through the obscidian beaver...)

Robert
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From: su0bufs@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Bath University Film Society)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:08:49 GMT
Organization: Students' Union, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>Er, not really a problem: mammalian red cells have no nuclei,
>true, but reptiles and birds do have nucleiated red cells.
>Thus it's highly likely that dinosaurs did too.

	Indeed, and as I recal from something I read last year
	(not JP) A study of blood obtained from mosquetoes (sp?)
	trapped in resin is actually being taken place. This was]
	not a joke, or a plug for the movie as I did not mention
	Micheal Crichton or Jurassic Park at all.

	Can Anyone verify this?

	Dave, Bath Uni. Film. Soc.


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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re:  Favorite Movie One-Liners
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:37:43 GMT

Robocop's best line, though was "You're fired!"

Or maybe (nasty big robot pointing minigun at miscreant) 
Citizenyouareillegallyparked.  Youhavetensecondstomoveyourcar.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Highlander III
From: bakerjd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:24:35 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: bakerjd

	Thanks for the super informative answer! Any others?

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From: lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent)
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.013522.29179@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Has anybody mentioned Alfred Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION?
>This has to be the single most SF novel that begs to be made
>into a film. Very expensive tho.
>(A strange thing about Bester's Novel, and I have never seen
>anyone note it, is that tho it differs totally in detail it
>echos BLADERUNNER in many ways. As does for that matter much
>of the urban landscape fiction that appeared in Galaxy magazine
>1950-1960 especially those years under editor H.L. Gold. 
>Not only Bester but Fred Phol and C.M. Kornbluth's novels are
>almost set in the same Bladerunner universe. In fact BLADERUNNER
>itself hews more to early Dick like Solar Lottery , ect. than it
>does to DADOES, anybody notice this?)
>....
>

When I began reading this thread, TSMD was the first thing I thought of.
Now this would be great.

Leon Dent
lcd@ais.org

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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Movie One-Liners
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:43:04 GMT

In article <1gr7saINNofa@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:

>qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:


>>      I really laughed during Ghostbusters when Dan Aykroyd
>>blasted the chandelier in the hotel and then apologized
>>profusely.  Bill Murray responded deadpan: "It's O.K.  The
>>table broke the fall."
>>

>One of my favorite lines in the Ghostbusters stuff is:

>"RAY, if someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" - Winston.

>Dave                                                   -Quinn
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This line has very practical applications in Dungeons and Dragons. I've run 
across this situation more than once. Maybe this should be taken over to rec.
games.frp.dnd? Hmm.

Great line though.

"I want more life - fucker." -Roy Batty.


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From: wa94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Mark F W Charsley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re:  Need info about ALIEN
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:40:00 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: wa94002@black

Just a quick note about how to get Alien4, as thought up by several OUSFG 
members one night. Ripley had valuble knowledge on the aliens right? So the 
Company might have wanted a "backup" of the data. We know the Alien universe
contains decent androids, and A3 seems to imply that some sort of personality
transfer is possible (Bishop as robot and evil designer). So wouldn't it be 
plausible that the company might have copied Ripley into an android while she
was in hospital in Aliens? What would be even better plot-wise is that this
would be before she got over her hatred of robots, so the company obviously 
wouldn't tell her...
From: DCHANG@uhccmvs.BITNET (Doreen Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Star Trek sequel?
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:03:00 GMT

2.12.22.92.16.02.HST.

I was casually kicked back on the living room couch when an ad flashed across
Fox, something about a Star Trek movie coming out this January.  This was the
first (and last) I'd heard about this?  Has anyone heard any details?  Can
anyone confirm or deny this possibility?  Is this the rumored attempt to bring
the two crews together finally on celluloid?  Will Spock attend?  I'm curious;
I'd rather be grateful for info.
                                                          dc
P.S.  Mele Kalikimaka e ka Hauoli Makahiki Hou
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:57:04 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <724820727snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au>, cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au 
(Cameron Newham) writes:

> Apart from that, the idea behind JP is certainly valid - rather scary too.

Ug, I'm tired of hearing this...no the science behind Jurassic Park is
NOT valid.  Genetics is not something that is "rather scary".  There is 
no possible way most of the things they do in JP could be done with today's
technology, and there are many sections that are physically impossible
all together with *any* possible technology.

A few examples: Most of any dinosaur genome would not be preserved.
		Even if you had most, you cannot "fill in" the rest.
		They never could have sequenced that much, that fast,
		  especially on a small island off the coast of Costa Rico.
		Most scientists agree the smartest dinosaur was about
		  as bright as a chicken, not a chimpanzee.

There are many other problems with the science in JP, but I understand it
is a piece of Science Fiction, I just wish more people realized this as well.

And I'm not even getting into the plot, writing style, and characters.
I thought it was a fun idea, but a pretty silly book.

Greg Bole                            "We ride...to hell.  Or to glory.  
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